skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Even with the wage these jobs garner, the perception is still there. When you tell people you do blue collar work, automatically you think of people drenched in sweat doing back breaking work, with grease on their shirt, dusty steel toed boots and a sense of exhaustion. They come off as low brow crass individual who wants to get paid and head on home when in actuality that is the furthest from the truth. People judge other people in numerous ways but the moment you deviate from the norm, you examined like a microscope and then placed in a category.

It is just the way we are wired.
Young high-school grads for whom that's a lot of money and for whom the health risks are not quite as bad.
Ahh, I didn't catch that and was thinking ODM_RESERVED_8 = 256 bits.

Thanks!
If the "skilled" trades offered enough pay, then they would automatically become honorable.

The lack of pay commensurate to the risk of injury, variable work schedules, not being home every night, etc causes the status.
Chicken and egg problems (2000)
If you increase capacity then drivers will use that capacity.
Automate the job and then send the money you're saving to an efficient charity.

EDIT: This isn't quite a serious suggestion. My point is to imagine it as the default setting. If you were going to give some money to buy anti-malaria nets, should you instead give that money to subsidise someone's wages in the US?
I am concerned that this may happen to me in a couple of decades. Can you elaborate more?
For a 20 year old guy? What do you think people get paid?? :)

The median HH income in the US is 60k/y. So he is almost making the median, and that's as a newbie, and with no partner. If he had a partner making minimum wage, he'd be over the median. After he gets a few more years of experience, he'll be over the median. Yeah, I'd say that's pretty good.
got it, what will you suggest to do something like that? a simple RPC with a good async framework I've read,
like what? an RPC service on top of Twisted for python, similar things in other languages?

thanks :)
Let's revisit your original point:

> Pricing is kind of irrelevant since they can subsidize this to create that story.

You seemed to imply they == google. My point is that it could cut both ways.
I do think in some ways, because UX is constantly being pushed back even though it shouldn't be...you do kinda have to learn to work with what you've got. Programming is like that too. There's weird restrictions from legal, stupid restrictions from the platform, some off the wall glitch that you have to work around, etc. Sometimes small UX changes are hard to implement in code and it ends up not being worth doing.

I haven't worked in a startup before. But it's strange to me that a start up would have someone on hand who's work is "not important for the company right now." Aren't startups supposed to run lean? If they won't even -talk- to you about it I feel like your options are limited. If you could actually discuss it, then yeah, maybe you could figure out how to move forward. But 4 months is a long time to not be contributing at all. Though I know that security and UX both suffer from being pushed to the side in favor of new shiny features.

I would:

A.) Have not a full blown meeting, but a 2 minute conversation. Figure out a short example of how not planning UX ahead of time has failed and is hurting the business currently. Then explain "We could prevent this by..." Present problem and your solution.

B.) Use this time to study. This would help with the startup(once they get themselves together) and also your career. Maybe you need more FE dev skills to figure out how to fit the UX in with what they are doing.

C.) Yeah, start putting feelers out. I personally would hate to sit there not contributing. Don't just quit(I assume you need to eat), but there's no harm in just talking to people and seeing what's out there if you really can't make it work at the startup.
I'd hate to think that readers over 50 feel the need to consider leaving the tech workforce, and I know perhaps hundreds of successful engineers over 50.

Those that have a hard time getting back in are often a victim of discrimination not truly based on age, but on stagnation. A 50 year old who has worked on five interesting diverse projects in the last 10 years will find work. A 50 year old who spent the last 20 years working for the same company using old tech may struggle, and by the time you realize you need to retool it can be too late.
Also, crucially, fewer people.
That was by far the weakest article.

My favorite was the Crash Course in Compilers:

https://increment.com/programming-languages/crash-course-in-...
What do choco connoisseurs think of Theo chocolate?
I don't have any data to support this, but I would imagine that those high CoL areas are what causes that number to be up around $55,000. The numbers in the article from the individuals in the story were for the Seattle area. Although its no bay area, it isn't the midwest either. In most parts of the country that aren't the coasts or a major city, the average is probably significantly lower
New PyPI launched, legacy PyPI shutting down April 30
Haha I got downvoted for a harmless joke. This thread is a dumpster fire.
This seems like a natural progression toward integrating Tensorflow with Apple's CoreML. With Tensorflow Lite's CoreML conversion, a native Swift frontend could open doors for ML on iOS.
I'm using Gnome with Wayland and I haven't had any issues. However, I'm not using fractional scaling either.
Ive been recommending that, too. The better languages should use C's datatypes, calling conventions, have a seemless FFI, and generate C (at least optionally). This way, they can build on C's ecosystem instead of getting trampled by it. The C code can also be gradually rewritten.

On the LISP side, one might start with a combo of PreScheme with C compatibility, Rust-style memory management, and Racket-like DSL support. Maybe even embed it in DrRacket for tooling. Then, one can build up other Scheme-like features on top of it with an interpreted version.

So, that's an example of how to get the benefits of both.
thanks, I thought it was a bit more complicated with session ids etc, will look at keeping it simple again.

I used the Java SDK from Kamax that was on https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html. would be nice if there are others.

I'm excited about it though - is just what I've been looking for.
Yeah that's an interesting question. How to parse the content into meaningful pieces and then hash in such a way that the content is not known, but the hash can be mapped to where it was in the document at an earlier time.
> I've been looking to make a change away from typical enterprise development (full stack web developer) as it's not just about the paycheck any more

No, it was not if you read even first three sentences past the title. The sentiment is nice but it has nothing to do with the question.
Median (personal) income in the US is $31,000:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

So approximately everybody should consider twice that "high paying".

(fixed the number, was $32,000)
In all fairness here, people have seen the ravages that the boom/bust nature of these kinds of trade jobs wrought on peoples' lives. Many parents out where I live here in fly-over country advise kids, "Hey... get a degree, and then get a job in construction if that's something you want to do. Because... you know... look at me and your uncle."

And out here, "...look at me and your uncle...", or "...look at your older sister or brother...", is usually a fairly compelling argument. As is having a degree when all of the construction jobs go belly up.
I made $7 an hour when I was 20
They have some work to do there ;-) I can't use them for Deep Learning at all, just for mining.
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Any chance it saves to anything other than snapchat?
15-20 yrs back general app s/w hiring was not about solving algos and puzzles but more about object oriented software and threading etc.
Everyone has their personal preferences. But you're comparing a milk chocolate with very dark chocoloate. Cadbury bournville is the dark variety, but I bet its not close to 90%. So if you like 90% chocolate, sure you will hate dairy milk. As far as milk chocolate goes though, cadbury is one of the best IMO. Usually people are split between dove/galaxy and dairy milk (as far as mass produced chocolate goes)
Mind Hunter was the last new show that I kind of liked, and I do think it's worth watching. But I also think the bar is really set low for these shows. Most of them feel like good movies that are stretched out into a series of shows. The beauty of great television is a show that has a great arc, but also where the episodes can stand on their own. You could watch one episode of the first couple seasons of the Sopranos, and be moved by it without ever watching the rest of the show.
If you like Cadbury chocolate, you'll probably like KitKat bars. Similar taste and texture to the chocolate.
I have reached my "economist limit". Can't read TFA. Why post these walled websites when there is so much AI drivel on other sites as well?
Ask HN: How are people spending Bitcoin?
Where do people spend Bitcoin? What do they buy? How do vendors manage pricing given the volatility of the currency's value relative to the USD? Roughly how many transactions account for Bitcoin-based purchases, versus transfers?

Would be very interested to learn the answers to any of these questions.
I can see it being both.
Engineers do make as much money as GPs. Just not as much as prominent specialists and surgeons (unless the engineers themselves are experts in a high end specialty). Plus engineers don't have to take on hundreds of thousands in education debt or sacrifice the first 10 years out of college to unpaid or low-paid training.
As a British adult, I didn't often eat Cadbury's, but I had it occasionally -- people would bring it to work or whatever.

Then I left Britain, and didn't eat any for about two years. Then it tasted like sugared grease.

It still seems like an upgrade from Hershey's ;-)
Love the idea, thanks for this!
They never claimed to be able to predict the temperature for a particular decade.
I don't know if it factors in here much, but another point is that you also generally can't re-sell items from loot boxes, whereas at least you can sell the cards afterwards to help defray costs.
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Sometimes its not even permanent and the "fuse" is more of a term to indicate that the value is non-volatile.
this article is about seattle though. sure there are a lot of places in the US where 50k goes far enough, but I don't think it does there.

also, what is the upwards mobility like in these types of jobs? anecdotally, it seems like managers on construction sites went to college. I imagine it tops out, kind of like software development, until you reach a managerial or director level.
There are so many people out there who pay someone 500eur/usd for a simple drupal website, and then expect to pay maybe 50/year for hosting, but are entirely unwilling to pay for anything else. After all, they can get dirt cheap hosting or free wordpress sites all over the internet, so paying anything at all makes them seem like a good customer.

You get what you pay for. Unfortunately, many of those unpatched websites end up causing trouble for others...
The very first paragraph of the article made this clear already. It even mentioned the Xbox by name.
Do the ends justify the means?
On a somewhat related note, I was walking past a construction site yesterday and noticed how big the workers were! The team was placing a beam into the ground (most likely the building foundation) and the dudes holding the beam in place must have ranged from 6'3 to 6'5 and ~250 lbs!

I do somewhat envy/admire what they do because it's more of a physical skill and keeps the body strong and in motion unlike sitting in front of a computer 9-5. Trade jobs are underrated and hopefully won't be replaced completely in the future.
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If a plumber was earning $400k/year reliably with 40 hour work weeks, then they would not come across as "low brow".

What people are really judging is how exclusive and useful to them you are. More people can qualify to be a plumber (hence their lower wages), than they can to be a doctor/lawyer/other similarly high wage careers. The latter also have more valuable people in their networks that are also valuable.
If polish is broadly defined as "something that was hitherto still missing in (claimed-to-be) end to end encrypted chat applications", then open source and a decent profit model are definitely features lacking from WhatsApp. Telegram is open source, but one has to consciously turn on encryption and it doesn't work on the web or desktop clients (and the profit model is non-existent). Signal doesn't work without Google services and requires a phone number and turned-on phone iirc (and their profit model seems to be extorting companies like Wire and helping closed source software like Whatsapp advertise with Signal-level encryption). Wire is the best of all, but the Android app drains battery and everything is web (slow, bulky; Electron). None of the above work in a decentralized manner, either.

I don't know much about Matrix or Riot.im (from what I remembered, it was a implemented IRC alternative), but if it delivers on all of the above (and the article sure sounds like it), then it's definitely polishing up some final features that were still missing!
It seems like specific domain knowledge is pretty key at a certain age unless you're really good at selling yourself as a consultant. With 30+ years of of experience I think you almost get to accumulate that automatically, but the worry is that the domain vanishes.
No but you and others speak of it as if they did. That's the point and was what I was saying. So claiming there is a certain temperature thats relevant instead of the truth which is there is a range of potential temperatures some of them not as problematic is the right way to think about the problem.
You missed the advertised by media doom of those jobs by automation and artificial intelligence.
iterm2's new metal renderer[1] has greatly increased my terminal happiness on mac. Highly recommended.

[1]: https://gitlab.com/gnachman/iterm2/wikis/Metal-Renderer
I do not support mandating those things by law.

I am content with letting the Linux people do their thing while I do my thing.

The only people I've only thought wanted to outlaw something are the most extreme Linux/GNU zealots who want to make it illegal for a company to lock down a computer even if it improves the user experience.

It stands to reason that such zealots exist on the other side of the argument as well, but I've never encountered them.
My immediate thoughts are:

- we shouldn't save jobs that can't be saved

- we should protect everyone
Do you really believe that Facebook (US company) has not complied with the US goverment and WhatsApp is safe for private communication?
I've heard as much. For context, I'm only 27, unmarried without kids, and just trying to think ahead :)
Would you mind sharing what tech you've been working with?
If one was going to be hired to work on cloud API or some enterprise tool, not sure how this low question would qualify someone as a better software engineer.
Just having to drive places all day increases your risks a lot. Plus constantly bending over into tight places, dealing with rusty sharp metals, electricity, power tools. Doing that over a 50 year career, I'm sure the individual risks add up.
New BGP hijack attempted on 6% of all IP space
Flake is the only decent chocolate any more and I suspect it’s cause mondelez/kraft couldn’t make the texture work with their new formula. Try it you’ll see what I mean!
Ritter-Sport FTW! I grew up not too far from the factory and luckily now I can buy it in every super market in the US.
DannyBee discovered to be idempotent.
> The most likely scenario is that a non-technical person is being expected to gauge technical answers.

I'm not disagreeing with this - this certainly appears to be the case.

But I think a qualified technical person should be able to understand the question that the non-technical person is asking and respond in a useful way. Although, yes, if they immediately respond with "Wrong, it's <keyword>", it's hard to do that. But I feel like a good interviewer (good is orthogonal to technical!) is likely to say "OK, so what is the runtime?", and "constant" and "O(1)" should both be on their list of keywords.

My charitable mis-remembering would be that the transcript here skipped these sorts of prompts, or that the interviewer was actually upset at the interviewee's demeanor/attitude already and wanted to cut the interview short by that point and was just trying to finish their block of questions. (Which I think is legitimate. As a technical interviewer, if you start condescending to me during the interview, I'm much less likely to give you the benefit of the doubt and help you along with Socratic hints.)
And not just that, but Delphi had tremendous influence on modern IDEs design.
Supposedly the WRX wagon is coming back soon.
Good points. I have heard that some trades have a hard ceiling, since managers do tend to have college degrees. I don't know much about it, though.
The chocolate is pretty good and I love the smell as I bike past the factory on my ride home every day.
He had a second chance. He did it once and got a misdemeanor and was able to move on with his life. The problem is he decided to do it AGAIN.

Maybe there is an argument for a third chance? But a repeat offender is a repeat offender.
Its a fallacy of composition to say that better security useless unless its perfect security.

This is better that it was before. More security is better. Perfect security does not and cannot realistically exist for a complex system.

I do think have a reproducible binary would be a huge win. Even if you can't verify the integrity of a single build you could verify that build by consensus.
I think the intent was to ask how much people would pay for access to Google searches, assuming they have other search options that they wouldn't have to pay for. Not to ask how much would Google have to pay them to stick with Google.
My understanding is that the high voltage transmissions have little resistance, and that the biggest problems with a national grid is not transmission loses but the cost of building thousands and thousands of miles of high voltage electrical wiring to connect existing subgrids together.

Do I have a misconception?
Pushing games to their limits, reminded me of the 210 day roller coaster for Roller Coaster Tycoon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aje-DrGpvKs
You threw an ellipsis over a qualifying phrase in my statement and then responded as if I didn't say it. Your second ellipsis removed "since that is similar for that feature set in other cars". My conclusion rests on the assumption that those features on a Tesla are similar to those features on other cars. The only way for autopilot to be less safe than a human (taking the numbers from that study as true) is for those safety features to be substantially more effective on a Tesla. That is certainly possible, but it seems likes a weird argument to make since it rests on Tesla's technology being simultaneously industry leading and yet not nearly as effective as they claim.
In an interesting coincidence, The Stranger (local leftie paper in Seattle) just published this guest op-ed about how iron-workers don't earn enough to live in Seattle: https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2018/04/20/26067604/guest-e...

This article is drumming up support for the idea of taxing Amazon and other big businesses to build affordable housing.
Probably, might even be better, but what is the likely salary progression. College grads still earn nearly $1MM more over their lifetimes.
Pig brain kept alive outside of body for 36 hours for first time
The distribution of an engineers income is quite wide, whereas almost all doctors are $200k+, with (if I extrapolate from my network) many in the $400k+ range. The only people I know making that much who don't have their own businesses are lawyers/finance/programmers in the big cities. Also, doctors have historically made a lot of money, while computer engineers have only recently started making that kind of money.
Of all the jobs to automate, I see the building trades being replaced last.
Does anyone know more about this Netherlands thing it refers to? I can't find anything in relation to the Dutch government and usage of this FOSS communication tool.
Many suburbs (and inner city London local authorities) have stymied Transport for London efforts to introduce cycle infrastructure. Hardly fair to sneer at cherry picking
I too was interested in this
She wasn't just talking chocolate. She was getting into economics.

Brought up the dark chocolate because it is the more costly product to manufacture. Cocoa solids and cocoa butter are expensive. Sugar and vegetable oil aren't. If this is a corporate ploy to acclimate people to trash chocolate for profits, she was already on trash chocolate. But even in the low-rent grocers, the premium product is available. Doesn't jive with her thesis.
The best milk chocolate I have ever tasted is the one they give you on Swiss Air flights. It is utterly perfect, just the right mix of sweetness and richness, without being cloying. And the snap when you bite it is a thing of singular beauty.
Depending on what you're trying to do, Xojo might be a good choice: https://www.xojo.com/products/desktop.php

Others have mentioned Qt/QML, another solid choice.
I wouldn't make any assumptions on the state of the workforce a few decades out. Things may change dramatically.
I like your points.

> Removing a marijuana screen from standard workplace testing would help revitalize the employee pool.

To me, trade jobs seem to be the most willing to offer a "second chance" to workers willing to work. More so than some white-collar jobs that have a no tolerance drug/crime policy.
The difference between Vim (GTK2) and Vim (GTK3) is rather jarring. I have two hypotheses:

1. GTK3 is just slow.

2. The GTK2 code path in Vim is older and thus more optimized than the GTK3 code path.

Which one is it?
Just as an additional point: a lot of these jobs ask for years of experience or your own tools. If you know a guy it's not hard to get around that but if you don't know a guy they can seem completely out of reach.

And as wierd vicious cycle, when you're short on bodies have less tolerance for people learning the ropes. So the number of will-train job ads probably isn't going to increase anytime soon.
What you are saying makes sense to me. Within the context of the question, the expected answer is looking for some kind of feasible money-making project.

I know that we have a lot of biases about what constitutes work; the point here is to challenge that bias. That feels like a legitimate project to me, so I try to do it when I can.

I found this via HN the other day and it feels relavent to your response:

https://jdebp.eu/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.h...
This is also what a lot of Simcity 4 players did. Some of them have spent years building highly realistic cities, taking care of all details the game would allow them, while some devoted their effort to the making of high quality models, MODs, and various plugins that helped the 2003 game to be still full of new contents a decade after its release.

Few games offer the same level of openness and depth as the (old) Simcity games does.
First think : Is there even a purpose of life ?
I'm not saying it's not hard physical work, with potential health problems, but I don't think that's "dangerous."