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> The communication systems you use as an employee are not yours.

Yes they are. I work as a contractor, remotely, using my own personal equipment, my own personal email account, and either my home internet connection or that of whatever coffee shop or co-working space I happen to be in on any given day. My clients are all located in other cities and countries and lack a physical presence where I live. I've never had any complaints about these arrangements (yes, I do realise I'm very fortunate to be able to work in this manner).

I also work for multiple clients. Allowing one of them access to all my work-related communications would involve violating the confidentiality agreements I've signed with the others. Should I be required to divulge the trade secrets or intellectual property of one client to another to satisfy a corporate IT policy? And if I have a personal conversation with someone, which client(s) should I share that with?
I"m shocked that this is even forbidden in the "land of the free".
I was walking home alone from school. In fact, my father once said to me that I basically raised myself on my own.
Is there any way to get rid of the original laws that this new law is addressing or is that not how it works?
In most of Europe what the employment contract says must be compared to local law - it varies greatly how many rights you are able to contract away in an employment contract.

E.g. while employment contracts in the UK are often fairly long, employment contracts in Norway can be as short as a couple of paragraphs, as almost all the terms are regulated and are costly and/or difficult to deviate from for most roles and most additional terms you might add will be null and void.
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You made many good points, but I'll take issue with this one:

> If you are having legitimate complaints about your job and you want to vent or validate your concerns before proceeding, you might want to have a private conversation with a coworker - and you might legitimately be afraid that your unfiltered, undiplomatic private conversation might be taken out of context or retaliated against.

If you were retaliated against for your legitimate complaints in private Slack conversations (via firing, harassment, etc) then the records could be subpoenaed for you to prove WHY you were being targeted.

It works both ways.
I do not understand how anyone in 2018 finds the internet remotely usable without some form of ad blocker. This is how you ignore the modern salesman.

It's actually pretty simple. You just don't visit sites with ads that bother you.
Wow, THAT is highly illegal in Europe

No, it isn't. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/business/european-court-e...

To wit: “Today’s ruling is fairly clear in how it outlines the parameters of monitoring employees,” said Stephen Ravenscroft, a London-based partner specializing in employment law at White & Case, a law firm. “It won’t be sufficient for employers to have a general policy permitting monitoring — the policy will need to be much more detailed, outlining why, how and where employees may be monitored and explaining how any information gathered through monitoring may be used.”
> In the email they seem to be blaming GDPR, by making this ability retroactive does anyone know if they are contradicting their earlier privacy policy?

Updates to our Privacy Policy and tools

Hello,

Slack is committed to helping teams around the world work better, together. As part of our growth and in support of upcoming changes to EU data protection law, we’re launching new tools and features and updating our Privacy Policy and User Terms.

Here’s a quick summary of the changes:

Improved clarity and transparency. We’ve re-organized our Privacy Policy to make it clearer and more understandable, defined key terms, described our data processing practices and included examples showing how Slack implements this Policy.

GDPR updates. The upcoming General Data Protection Regulation places new obligations on organizations that process EU personal data. As a result, we’re updating our Privacy Policy and User Terms to better explain our relationship with our customers and users.

Tools and features. We’re introducing a profile deletion tool, updating our import and export tools, and improving our workspace settings center so you can see your team’s plan, admins and settings.

We hope these updates will help make work a little more pleasant and productive, wherever you’re based. Need assistance? Drop us a note at feedback@slack.com. And as always, thank you for using Slack.

The team at Slack
English is not my first language - forgive the stupid question: does "free-range" come from animal farming?

(I hope not, that would sound quite patronizing)
If you’re worried about that, don’t use company Slack. But you should know that federal law protects employee organizing, especially for unions; if your employer retaliates, you can bring a claim against them.
Well, we're seeing a case where a type of parenting is viewed as neglectful, so we're adding a law to enshrine it's legality in the face of changing cultural norms among certain sets of the population.

This is not the same as "Anything not enshrined in law is unauthorized."
Whenever I’ve been a SA I wouldn’t let a manager access an employee’s email without written authorisation from HR. How does that work here, what are the safeguards?
The comments here are more evidence the "hacker" part of hacker news really no longer applies :)

In seriousness - of course putting this in your house is a a pretty risky and likely dumb idea. I absolutely have plans to do this though, just with a fire resistant (concrete block) "power shed" 50 yards away from my house.

Someone that can build a working DIY powerwall can cheaply build a cinder-block shack and run conduit back to the living quarters. If you can't afford to do that I'd say you can't afford to do the project at all.
Wait, what happened? Did you give in and vote to convict?
Reddit and HN are closer to the anti-social media end of the spectrum, in so far as any relationships built are generally pretty loose. People are be aware of each other, but generally the discussion is focused on the topic at hand.

Facebook in it's purest form is a Personal Relationship Management platform - you'll keep in touch with friends and associates, be reminded of birthdays, keep up with what your chums are doing without having to ask, plan events, accidentally like your ex's holiday pics from 4 years ago, all that stuff. The topic is less relevant than the people.*

I'd actually be interested in a PRM platform that wasn't inherently evil, but in the absence of interoperability, things like that will only really gain any meaningful value from their ubiquitousness and i don't have the enthusiasm to persuade everybody i know to sign up to a service to see pictures of my cat. It's a pretty good cat too.

*Of course FB advertising, promoted posts, people being terrible and Fake News™ all muddy the waters a bit.
Was the car electric? I've had a close call with a silent electric car which would have been my fault. The scenario goes like this: I'm saying goodbye to Joe and about to cross the street and notice there is no traffic around. I realize as I'm about to leave Joe, I forgot to mention something, so I turn back to him and say "By the way, blah blah", and with that, I then step off the curb onto the street without checking for oncoming traffic again, probably thinking about some chore I have to get done when I get home. If I heard cars, I would instinctually check again, but the silent electric mode does not allow for this.

I'd be interested in any studies about this: how much more often do pedestrian-at-fault collisions occur in silent electric mode?
Something like this 50Ah battery pack?

https://www.amazon.com/Laptops-External-50000mAh-Portable-No...

Google around for external laptop batteries, they make some really big ones.
Again, it depends on individual agreements. If the employee is not allowed to use his work company mail for private stuff, he has no reasonable expectation of privacy that goes beyond obvious cases. Like, for example, if your wife sends you a mail with the subject "here are my nudes!", your employer isn't allowed to access the content.
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Weird that such a law is even required -- what was the legal regime before the law was enacted?
How are you reaching those conclusions? If I recall history correctly 1 & 3 were the products of a generations class warfare and more than one massacre at the hands of industrialists. The labor movement rose in hand with the industrial revolution, but it’d seem a perversion to portray those gains as some inevitable beneficence of increased mechanization.
Most major religions have the same core moral beliefs, and similar justifications. They fight each other because they think the other religion is undermining the moral code.
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But what will you do if they actually call CPS? Because the threat is easy to act on.
Then that is the fault of Uber for not exposing it to this extremely common scenario beforehand.
Yes, although the fact that the law is remotely necessary validates the patronizing nature of the term.
This is a bit odd, that concurrency would be listed as something they gained from Java, rather than Clojure:

"Clojure: considering the difference between being easy and being simple. Clear difference between data and logic that changes that data. Distinction between pure functions and functions with side effects, try to separate them. Let’s try to make simple code by default."

"Java: performance, concurrency and strictness."

Maybe they mean they were forced to think about concurrency in Java?

I don't think any reasonable person would argue that concurrency is easier in Java than in Clojure.
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With all the stupid and unjustified uses of SSN, it's sort of funny to see this as the one people are objecting to. Working out Social Security contributions for your paycheck is pretty much the most reasonable use for that number I can think of.
You can unplug from the electrical grid with one of these. If you don't have 5 grand to plunk down on a giant battery I'd say it's a pretty effective way to save money.

You don't have to keep it in your house. If you have a small section of land which would otherwise normally house a shed, you can build a fireproof enclosure outside to house the pack. If it burns down, your house doesn't. And if you're building it from scratch, you can include enough sensors for it to auto-shut down when an unsafe voltage or temperature is detected. (the linked video mentions all this)

When people build their own car, they're also taking their life in their hands. But if you learn the right way to do it, you won't blow yourself up.
Indeed. My church sponsors missions all over; Zimbabwe, Brazil, Honduras, Mexico, etc. A few years ago, we sponsored one of our elders who went on a multi-year mission to the UK.
In the past, when I’ve tried to politely push back against these, the response has always been a firm “sign the agreement unmodified or GTFO.” When your employer has 500 lawyers, you do what they say or get back to the job hunt.
Doesn't that mean it's cheaper to just use GSuite than to use this?
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A person pushing a bike is quite a common scenario, and it falls to the Uber engineers to account for it.
I think one of the side-effects of this is that there are other slack teams created to help keep communications among colleagues private-ish. This leads to cliques and tends to isolate new employees who may not yet be in those "teams".
It's called "private" for a reason. If someone harasses me on Slack, I have proof of that, because they wrote me a message. If people have private conversations about anything, it should be of no one's concern. Same goes for Signal or Whatsapp, it's a private conversation. It's like putting microphones everywhere and then fire people who have a bad day and say something stupid once in a while, would you like that? This is not a world I wanna live in and it's a serious move against privacy and freedom of speech.
Walking alone might be too scary for the "land of the brave".

Jokes aside, I'm often surprised by how frequently people in US describe places, people and ideas as "threats".
The original constitution carefully outlined people's rights so as to limit the power of government. Law's affirming people's rights can be very powerful
In France the current legal viewpoint is your company can open your emails/files except if the subject/body explicitly say it's private.
most of these I have seen have the charge protection tabs on the top. are the laptop batteries different?

most of my experience is from buying fresh cells to use as caving headlamp batteries back in the day.
Ah what I meant was that prioritizing loneliness over privacy is a kind of a bug; satisfying a more unconscious need over taking conscious decisions to be smart with your own privacy.
> maybe you can score [freedom of action and expression] for Christianity

I've had trouble verifying this quotation, but:

"There has been such a thing as letting mankind alone; there has never been such a thing as governing mankind. Letting alone springs from fear lest men’s natural dispositions be perverted and their virtue left aside. But if their natural dispositions be not perverted nor their virtue laid aside, what room is there left for government?"

- Chuang Tzu (369–286 BC)
The philosophy behind humanism seems like a decent place to start.
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The company isn't a court "alleged" is plenty enough for the company to look at the communication system it pays for to figure out what is going on. It has a communication system to communicate about business.

> And now with this, they'll use a different communication method that you dont have access to and now youre back to square one. The best you can hope for is that theyre ignorant of these changes so you can catch them.

Good, then its security and HR's problem. We tell everyone we own the communications systems (its even in the employee handbook).

> ah, guilty until proven innocent

Yep. Welcome to the corporate environment in the US. Frankly, if they think you used the company e-mail / Slack to do your activity then I don't think we are dealing with Moriarty here.

> but you shouldnt assume that communications that the user doesnt want the company to be privy to is necessarily malicious or illegal.

Then use your own non-company communication system (e.g. text, home e-mail) or go to lunch - how hard is that?
In no small part with the help of Google:

"Google search history: The authorities were also able to look at the individual's Google search history, the Statesman noted, which gave them further insight into his dealings."
In many cases it will only burn down the dedicated battery shed.
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Though it is possible to set up a GUI to do that, I don't think it is possible to do it in a way that makes it easy to confirm that the app is really doing what it claims to. You may be able to create a system where experts can verify the integrity, but I don't think you can create a computerized system where average people can independently verify the integrity of the system.

Paper, managed by trusted humans, really shines in this kind of task. Maybe some of the trusted humans will turn out to be dishonest, but it is much harder to commit large scale fraud and then cover it up.
Ruby is still a beautiful language, particularly for its object oriented-ness. And I think Ruby's nature, simplicity and power appeals to young people, however the resurgence of a towering Javascript/NodeJS is hard compete with. These are market forces that really matter when you're wondering what language & platform to use for your MVP. In recent surveys, Ruby & Rails has fallen to the bottom of the list among the former stars of programming languages. Python has data science & machine learning to keep it strong and new stars Elixir/Phoenix and Golang are sucking up a lot of oxygen that would otherwise go to Ruby & Rails. And let's not forget Bubble (visual app building) and the Zero Code Startup.

I really think Pedro (the blog post writer) has an excellent point about being a polyglot but trying to qualify as a Senior Engineer except I'm older and have even more platforms & languages behind me. Its a serious problem because I have the experience to easily be a Sr. Engineer or manager but my experience isn't concentrated long enough anywhere to make me useful enough to warrant the role.
Cobalt cells always have an alarmingly non-zero chance of burning your house down, no matter how good your BMS is. Designing a BMS is a task for an experienced electrical & firmware engineer[ing team].
> the only mention of China were Taipei, Hong Kong, Macau, and Singapore

0/4, none of these are really under the aegis of the Beijing regime - and while it is flattering of you to compare the entirety of the population of four countries with 40 million people to the single most selective school in the US, it is rather inaccurate to do so.

If you look closer, PISA 2015 also had China in there, where the four provinces Jiangsu, Guangdong, Beijing, and Shanghai participated. Now poor illiterate migrants' kids might not get hukous to Beijing schools, so you might be right that this might be slightly biased - but even these four richer provinces have nearly the population of the US, so even if only 200 million Chinese are "outmathing us", it still makes a massive difference.
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Yes it does! FWIW it doesn't come off as patronizing to me, it has connotations with organic / locally grown / health food.
That's the wrong way to look at it, this is a law limiting what the government can do. For really broad, difficult to define crimes like "neglect" or "child abuse", it makes sense to pass additional legislation limiting how those laws can be applied.
You claimed that specific rules the poster you replied to mentioned aren't relevant due to the ECHR decision, and that's just not true. E.g. here in Germany, an employer needs to explicitly forbid private e-mail to be allowed simple access to employee mail, which is why basically everyone does that, often allowing private internet use to access webmail instead. (I've also seen employee agreements where there's different rules for specific folders: a private archive folder is never accessed, work-related folders can be easily accessed and e.g. looking at new mail in the inbox is allowed if it's done under supervision and e-mail that's clearly recognizable as private isn't opened, since private mail was hard to avoid in the specific case)

This is something were you likely can not make useful blanket "in Europe" statements.
I'm aware of this, yet "prior notice + specific reasons" != "approval of the workers' council for each individual case"
Part of the reason why Slack has been so successful vs. other corporate messaging solutions is that it encourages employees to bring their “whole self” to work.

It’s perhaps the most important thing at work to feel like you can communicate easily and without fear of reprisal from managers and in my opinion had a lot to do with my extensive use of Slack.

It felt like, for the first time, the communications platform wasn’t “owned” by the strict hierarchy of the company. I created my own channels, and felt no fear when I communicated with co-workers. I wasn’t doing anything “wrong” ever in my communications, but, let’s face it: there are things that you don’t want your boss to know, especially if like the majority of people, you’re working for a bad boss that has to be “managed” himself.

If Slack continues in this manner, while it may make sense from a liability and business perspective, employees aren’t going to trust the platform anymore the first time a manager reads a private conversation and uses it against someone. And generally I’ve found it’s not hard to figure out you’re being spied upon.

I’m not sure what the solution is, but definitely if Slack allows managers private access (without a court order or similar serious situation where such access would be warranted), they can no longer claim they want employees to “bring their whole self” to work anymore.

Oh well. It was nice while it lasted.
> What's wrong with Intel NUC Board DE3815TYBE ??

It's for the cluster thing. With a 24-port switch chip I can fit 23 of these SoCs on a Mini ITX with one outgoing Ethernet port.

On the Phi, all cores see all of the memory. It really looks like a puny version of a future Core i9 (or the 2028 Xeon Platinum). And it was the first one to have AVX 512, which is kind of nice.

I guess I like my computing less asymmetric.
I do understand that, but you are outsourcing a linchpin of your infrastructure to a third party. Are these identities completely disjoint with regular google ones or are they comingled (i.e. do you need two different browsers to read your work gmail and your personal gmail?)
How do you know that will work for anyone else? Why believe it is an objective moral order? On the other hand, if you do believe it is a moral objective order, how is that different than what religions teach?
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