skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Interesting, apparently there's no way to know if autopilot was enabled or not.

> A Tesla spokesperson said the car in the Chinese wreck was badly damaged and unable to transmit data. “We therefore have no way of knowing whether or not Autopilot was engaged at the time of the crash,” the spokesperson said in a statement.
FB isn't going anywhere lol. The HN bubble is so much fun.

The recent swatch of negative press is just amplified 10x in the US because it almost always revolves around Donald Trump being elected. If Hillary won and this same stuff leaked it would be noted but die fairly quickly in the news.

Every old person practically lives on FB 24/7.
Most middle age people are on there and will stay due to kids, family, etc.
Millenials use Messenger, Instagram, Whatsapp like crazy.
Some DBMS' do require a limit... eventually. I think 256 is a reasonable bound, since that allows very generous pass phrases.

And actually, the NIST password recommendations are very reasonable, at least currently.
I somewhat doubt they even know or care that there might be bugs before they do something awful. It's like they're using the public highway as their simulator.

I don't know if this job ad for a self-driving simulation software engineer is still current, but it is somewhat worrying given the broad scope of the role they appear to be advertising for.

[0] https://www.uber.com/en-US/careers/list/27029/
There's a problem. Search for the "law of rent." Sprawl offered some respite from this, allowing the growth of a larger middle class.
1 July 2016 "Tesla driver dies in first fatal autonomous car crash in US"

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2095740-tesla-driver-di...
I have a curious question. I am not a Ada Developer but I have two that work for me. Another retired in OCT 17 after successfully porting our project from Solaris to RHEL 6. He told me at that time that we could not go back and compile the code for a Solaris system even though we still have the Solaris box we originally compiled on. Are there any issues you can see preventing us from going back and compiling the code for Solaris?
AZ driving rules language on solid white lines is the same as FL (where I live). They use the words "should not cross", so it's not technically an infraction for a driver to cross a solid white line. I was in an accident once due to someone crossing a solid white while at a light and cutting me off so I'm familiar with the RAW on those lines.
Maybe deaths per speed per time (or distance, since speed over time is the same as distance at speed). More deaths at higher speeds and fewer at lower would seem more likely. Purely using time or distance may skew the interpretation, if there are more deaths at some speed ranges than others.
Mitigate first. If you are confident in your change management system then rolling back is always safe.
They own Instagram, in which in retrospect was a huge success. The financial growth comes from branching out into different industries and extracting more value from existing users.
This is only bad because of what, job market preferring to hire geniuses if not at least above average people making 50% of population or so unviable? In addition setting relatively insane filters on the other half limiting them too.

Often for quite dumb jobs too.

Sounds like a systemic problem.
Does it really need to be said that an autonomous vehicle still needs to manage to not kill people regardless of their position relative to any nearby crosswalks?

Today you can cross in the middle of the street and take a calculated risk that the people approaching down the street will stop or slow down enough to not kill you. If they go ahead and kill you anyway, they'll still be prosecuted because their attention should be on the road, and the most basic assumption behind their driver's license is that this person is competent enough and fit enough to drive what amounts to a deadly weapon without killing the people around them. When you violate that assumption, the fault is probably on you. Obviously there are exceptions, such as when somebody intentionally jumps in front of your vehicle, but crossing outside of the crosswalk to get across the street is not even close to the same level as trying to commit suicide and fault will be found accordingly.
To play Devil's advocate, there were over 100 people killed in the US TODAY from non-autonomous vehicles [1].

Obviously we'd need to know the number of miles driven in each category to get a meaningful comparison, but let's all keep in mind a USA where only one person per day is killed on the roads would be a two order of magnitude improvement over today.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...
> THAT SAID, asshole company fields asshole autonomous driver. Did we expect differently? Uber cuts every corner

Exactly. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
Yeah, Trump picked up a lot of votes simply because he addressed it as a problem while Hillary said “everything’s fine”. That was pretty insulting for a lot of people, and I don’t think the Democrats realized they were alienating their blue collar base.
Uber has been rewarded for employing schticks that GP called "unethical and poorly-run." Is it unethical? Yes, and I strongly believe that "Move fast and break things" is wholly inappropriate when people's lives are involved. Is it poorly-run? I think Uber is actually well-run if you accept that "ends justify the means" is in their DNA.
For a couple years now we've had auto braking and then more recently lane keep assist which is pretty much exactly the 'automated backup to human drivers' option. It's great but people still want more automated driving systems.
Maybe you're in a different situation than me but I can easily round up all of my friends with a few phone calls. "Hey Tony. I'm planning a party on the first at 6:00pm. Would you mind letting Sue and Mark know they're invited?" That also easily works by email and text if I insist on using technology.

Humans have been organizing into social groups and gatherings for tens of thousands of years without the aid of technology. Why is it all of a sudden people feel like they're incapable of socializing in any form without the likes of Facebook?

I apologize if my candor is overly blunt, but your comment is an excuse to continue your addiction. Nothing more.
Probably weird arbitrary rules around legacy systems... I don't know about PayPal specifically, they're really too young that it shouldn't be an issue. I know other banks with account federation have had some systems running that are severely limited. It's weird all the way around tbh.

I do hope the new NIST recommendations get more weight moving forward, but banking tends to rely on other authentication/validation routes beyond just the password to strengthen things. Which is probably okay.. unless your device is found, and not password protected itself, with a relatively secure password. Even then...
It means the cars are sufficiently dangerous in general that the human drivers have to constantly take over manual control to avoid accidents. So they are dangerous to someone. Apparently the human didn't make it in time this time, and turns out that someone was 'pedestrians/bicyclists'.
I think you need to provide evidence that they are not. But for my evidence, I would put forth important positions, like teachers, being grossly underpaid as evidence that they are arbitrarily chosen.
This is because some of the successful businesses have learnt to build on their existing success. This is an evolution of previous generation of successful companies which mainly relied on working on one main idea. Now its become easier to built up on the infrastructure provided by previous generation's success.

Or atleast that's what my current thought is regarding this topic.
It could have been the fault of the pedestrian. I'm not saying it is, just saying there is a third possibility.
Some password managers (like keepassxc) can emulate keyboard input.
apple did that for over a decade on ios and fanboys loved it for the "security".

google still does that, since every android webview is a chrome instance with default setting (i.e. send tons of info to google) that you can't configure yourself. and to add ofense to the injury, first class apps like gmail or google search app wont even allow you to use other browsers in some cases.
not true, amazon can always dump costs. P/E is meaningless beyond a certain ratio, at that point it just indicates that the business is growth oriented and reinvesting its profits
Safari for Windows was canceled many major versions ago.
I'm much more a fan of the design that places a buffer (either sidewalk or shrubs) between the CARS and any other type of vehicles. Sidewalks are tolerable as they are often raised above street grade and a vehicle usually has to be actively controlled to overtake such a raised divider.
The ancient Romans would have the civil engineer stand under the bridge they'd just built while a Legion marched over it. That's why Roman structures are still around today!
What do you actually mean when you say “most democratic”. How “much more” was last election versus previous now.

From what I see coming out more and more evidence is that this was the most sophisticly hacked election in the modern times. The genius behind electing Trump seems to be his success with social media.

Just few days ago Facebook admit their info was not properly used. Basically voters were swayed to vioe Trump because they were unaware the been targeted based on their music taste and all other types of likes they feed Facebook with over the years. Brillian probably not illegal but totally unmorral. Hence stock is negative 5 today (for a stock this size that significiant move)

I say probably not illegal because what comes out is that Russia paid in most for Facebook pro-Trump advertising. And thats illegal to the tune of $20 mil. Will see if anything comes out of it but obviously dont hold your breath if you think current administration will investigate itself if it won illegally.

The genius behind social hack of our election goes deeper than just purchasing large stock of flashy ads and using trillion data points to target with surgeons knife precision.

Take the recent story done by CNN of some older lady that voted Tump and ran a rally for him with other “trump voters” (im on mobile i cant add links).

What turned out is the group she belonged to was started by russians and feed by russians. Basically what it was she was meeting other americans that have been duped by the same group, believing to her core the group is started and run by caring and loving patriotic americans. Even pressed by CNN with evidence said group was started by Russian advertising company, she refused to believe! This is a classic form of foreign romance scam taken to the new levels!

In romance scam, someone from third world country starts conversation with vulnerable women on Facebook telling her how much in love he is... Until he needs $1k to get out of hospital he just got in. Or bail his son from immigration jail, etc. such women after losing all her savings and 401 and pensions, when faced with truth that they been just scammed, rarely can believe in facts, and simply believe the offshore love of her life was stuck in hospital or had some other problems because she didnt send him the money! Its trully evil-brillian how this century old scam was used to shway recent election, at least when it comes to Facebook.
He's arguing from foundations. The hypothesis is that autonomous drivers should perform better at task X than the null hypothesis (aka human drivers). So any instances where autonomous drivers do not seem to perform better are all potential counter-arguments to that hypothesis.

The fact that human drivers aren't particularly good isn't really relevant, beyond setting a correspondingly low bar within the null hypothesis.

This all ties to regulation allowing these vehicles to drive on public roads, because that regulation was permitted due to the above hypothesis and hopeful expectations that it would be true.

Obviously, I haven't seen the entirety of the data set to know fatalities per car-mile. Which would be the relevant statistic here. I also didn't see such a number in your post, which I'm assuming means you are probably not aware either. But simply providing the numbers for the null hypothesis doesn't do anything.
This is crazy. The developers likely have no say in where and when the cars go out on public roads. That's obviously a decision for someone higher up in the company.

The executives should be held accountable, not the developers.
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Figuring out why can be avoided if you have proper change management. If you are root causing every issue then that will drastically increase TTM. Instead mitigate first and just revert the change.
This comment breaks the HN guidelines by being uncivil as well as by calling names in the sense described here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Doing these things derails discussion much faster than an obvious comment, so would you please (re-)read the rules and abide by the spirit of this site when posting here?
Agreed. Thx for the clarification.
I wonder how software updates and are validated and tested before going to production in autonomous cars. This is scary - imagine being a developer responsible for a similar malfunction. I'm not suggesting that was the case here - just think this might need as much validation as medical equipment (hoping that it won't stifle innovation).
> Car was autonomous with driver behind wheel

Let me make a prediction. Uber will claim that the driver was in control of the vehicle at the moment of the accident. And the "driver" will receive a bonus payment in the coming months.
Oh, btw, NNG has pretty good docs now. See the reference manual on the site ( nanomsg.github.io/nng/man ) or leanpub (purchase - https://leanpub.com/nngmanual )
If by "protected passenger lane" you mean putting a Jersey barrier between the sidewalk and the road, no thanks. Maybe I'm a spoiled suburbanite, but I can't help but recall that, scant a century ago, pedestrians could walk along or on the streets wherever they pleased.
> It’s only (legally) a problem if they’re violating the rules of the road while doing so.

I doubt that's true, but even if it were, I believe the rules of the road are "always yield to pedestrians, even if you have the right-of-way".
> I'm not sure I see anyone here making that conclusion. I think you're the only one who's brought it up.

Look at the post I'm responding to, and the section I quoted.

> Uber has even taken its cars off the road, so even Uber agrees that their self-driving cars are not ready for the roads yet.

Uber avoiding a PR nightmare should not be taken as Uber thinking their self-driving cars aren't ready.

> It is also important to take into account what Uber is like when it comes to safety and responsibility. They have knowingly hired convicted rapists for drivers, they have ridiculed and mocked and attempted to discredit their paying customers who have been raped by their employees/drivers, they have spied on journalists, they have completely disregarded human safety on numerous accounts. A company with a track record like Uber's probably not should be granted a license to experiment with technology like these self-driving cars on public roads.

I'm not defending Uber as a whole. I think in general they're a fairly typical rent-seeking middle man whose only real innovation has been figuring out a way to break the law ambiguously enough to get away with it (admittedly, a law I don't agree with). I don't even necessarily think autonomous vehicles are a good thing. I just think that if you're going to criticize autonomous vehicles, safety isn't the criticism I'd level against them, because it's not backed up by the evidence when compared to how unsafe human drivers are.
elixircasts.io is a very good resource for anybody starting out with Elixir/Phoenix.Elixir is an absolute joy to code.I wrote http://newsofworld.org entirely in Elixir/Phoenix.
They have barriers in some places in the US but they're not very common: https://imgur.com/a/gy8mq
> you're creating the same type of problem that cars that ignore traffic rules create for bikes

Agree. I'd do it anyways because sidewalks are 99.999% empty where I live. I could ride for 20 miles and not see a person on the sidewalk. So biking on sidewalks is safe as long as you pay attention to what's ahead. No idea if that's the case in this AZ location.
> It is also common with people who are more focused about hiring the most qualified people rather than being politically correct or fulfilling quotas.

This is a common dog whistle argument. Especially because humans are terrible at properly judging people's impact post hiring.

> but I also haven't seen much evidence to prove that cultural diversity is more important than educational diversity. I would love to read more if you have any articles/studies

Sure. There's a lot.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1435-5957...

https://www.inderscienceonline.com/doi/abs/10.1504/IJKBD.201...

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1941152

https://www.ssoar.info/ssoar/handle/document/31795#

https://academic.oup.com/joeg/article/6/1/9/1056407

http://amj.aom.org/content/47/2/255.short

There's literally hundreds of studies on this.
This could pave some unforeseen regulations on self-driving car testing for all companies. Not a good news for anyone. Prayers for the victim and her families.
Allen, thanks for your work.

I used to read indie hackers once every 2weeks. I would go to the site and read the latest 6 or so interviews.

With the new sortable view, i can't sort by recently added. I can sort by recently updated, but that isn't the same thing.
Could you add a sort by recently added?
> The article does not make it clear if Google will allow Amazon to list products on an even playing field with those of the B&M retailers they mention.

Sure, if Amazon wants to become a retailer paying a cut to Google's marketplace, vastly increasing it's appeal to customers (and thereby, other sellers) and reinforcing Google's marketplace's competitive position against Amazon's marketplace for where people go to shop, Google would jump for joy. They’d probably even cut Amazon a discount, at least initially.

Of course, there's zero chance of Amazon choosing to do this. A retailer with an also-ran marketplace like Walmart doing it makes sense; the dominant marketplace doing it makes no sense at all.
Awesome! Thanks Joshua. Yes, TrapFi is generally used for remote clients. However, we've seen a few non-remote use cases that have worked well so far.
Uber's algorithms might learn from this. None of the other self driving car companies will.
That card must have good rewards if you're sticking with a site like that.
Perhaps, but making sure a company isn't screwing you over by throwing your personal information around willy-nilly doesn't require opening with a direct threat and then listing 40 or so different demands for information, several of which are technicalities which have little relevance to determining whether or not the data is really being handled safely and responsibly anyway.

A normal person who really was worried about how their data was being used would probably write a polite letter asking what data was being stored, how it was being used, and maybe a couple of supplementary points if they had particular concerns or perhaps had heard a warning about some specific practice that could be dangerous.
If the miles are not enough, they kill less until they first kill someone. At which point they kill several orders of magnitude more. # of events per something are not always a statistically valid way to measure things.
what about tesla though? by november 2016 they've accumulated 1.3 billion self droven miles [1]. autopilot was released in september 2014, so that's 2 years, or 600 million miles per year. and that was ramping up during those years, so i think it's safe to assume at least 1 billion miles / year these days.

2 deaths in over 2 billion miles is roughly 10 times safer than human drivers.

[1] https://electrek.co/2016/11/13/tesla-autopilot-billion-miles...
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Seems very unlikely to me that this case will be brushed off without police looking at video.
I have been hit by a car in a bike lane by a car making a rogue left turn (In the UK). I'm always wary of riding in bike lanes like this now.
>you're creating the same type of problem that cars that ignore traffic rules create for bikes

Which are what? Such a broad statement doesn't seem accurate and the sidewalk shown in the map looks low traffic with excellent sight lines, as long as you're not cycling head down at high speed the danger to pedestrians doesn't seem comparable to danger posed by car driver's ignoring traffic rules.
I'm saddened by this incident but have thought a lot about this eventuality. there are a few levels of societal acceptance of self driving car death outcomes i can think of:

A - Human equivalent: self driving car obeys reasonable rules that a human also would eg minimum speed on a highway and kills someone

B - Trolley problem: (very artificial scenario) self driving car has to choose between killing N or M people where N > M and wrongly (in hindsight) chooses N

C - Car fault: self driving car kills someone in a situation where no human would have

As a society we would probably accept A easily but B starts to get shaky. C currently looks completely unacceptable, BUT I would argue that society has to get to a point where even C is ok conditional on the probable result that overall car deaths decline dramatically.

In other words we will have to get to a point where individual deaths are extremely regrettable but the overall death reduction of adopting self driving cars are so undeniable that the individual deaths can be discussed without also talking about banning SDCs in the same breath.
The GNOME DE does this as well. Whenever I have a fresh Linux install and I try to enter the passwords in the "Online Accounts" section I'm reminded of it... so frustrating.
you have to take into account miles driven. Yes, we have 37K fatalities, but trillions of miles driven. So, it comes out something like 1.2 fatalities per 100 million miles driven for human drivers. Which means, so far, self driving cars have a worse record per 100 million miles driven. So far.
The portion of ‘terror’ attacks that authorities already suspected would occur or had been warned might occur is more problematic. And that’s just the ones we hear about.
It seems that far too often authorities have the data and struggle to use it. Hitting up companies with full legal fury once the horse has bolted doesn’t help my cynicism.
This is an interesting metric. Although self driving test cars are rare, the whole point of their existence is to drive so they probably clock more hours than a normal car.

About 5400 pedestrians are killed each year in the US.
US drivers go 3.1 trillion miles a year. So they kill a pedestrian about every 5.7 billion miles. Last November, Waymo said they had 4 million self driven miles, so well short of statistically expecting to hit a pedestrian. In September of some unspecified year Axios claims Uber had self driven over 1 million miles.

My estimate needs help, the distribution of pedestrian bearing roads and pedestrian free roads likely does not match from my total miles per year number and what carbot testers cover. Also, this may have been a cyclist death, which adds another 800 or so deaths per year.

But, in any event, in rough numbers, Uber appears to have beat their expected time to pedestrian fatality by two or three orders of magnitude.