skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Every side thinks HN is dominated by the opposite side. This is as reliable as clockwork. But the truth is boringly tautological: on divisive issues, the community is divided, like any sufficient sample of society at large would be.

People with strong views simply notice the comments they dislike much more strongly. And sometimes they pass around links to their friends to 'prove' it—which proves nothing, of course, but does strongly reinforce their perception. Once reinforced, these perceptions seem not to change.

On HN the divisions are exacerbated by this being so international a community. Only a third, last I checked, is in the US, and only a small minority in SV. So what we're all encountering here is not just polarization in the US, but much disagreement across national and cultural divides.

p.s. Unless I'm mistaken about the account, we didn't ban you. Nor have we shadowbanned accounts for years (except new accounts that appear to be trolling or spamming). When an account has been around for a while, we tell people we banned them.

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Edit: while I'm thinking about this...

Subtler factors exacerbate these perceptions too. HN isn't siloed—we have no subreddits, no following/blocking—just one big place where everyone sees the same things. Because of that, we're all more likely on HN to encounter comments from people we don't normally mix with, except perhaps on the battlefield. Reading what the 'other side' posts is not fun; it's painful. It gets right in your face and feels like being attacked. It seems to take only a few cases of this before it overflows into one's image of the site itself.

That association makes sense emotionally: I come to this place, I feel pain and anger, therefore this is a hateful place. But it's also just what one would expect from the numbers, which is why the reaction is so clockwork-reliable, as I said above. The people with opposite views to yours are feeling just the same anger and pain.

We see this not only about politics, but about programming languages, large companies, one's own work, and everything else people feel strongly about. We're all in one of those tricky spots where human feelings and statistics don't go well together, and for the most part don't realize it.
Cheap t-shirts and socks? I'm less than impressed so far. I'm sure corps are still giving out better swag. You who are almost out of runway, salute us! ;-)
You just proved his point. You replied as an outraged person that is angry about the Trump presidency. It's perfectly ok to go about your life without mentioning Trump in half of your conversations. For the average person, there's nothing that can really be done until the next election. You can be angry about Trump but don't go around thinking the only correct way to life is being outraged about it.
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Is this a sponsored post? Author hammered MUSCLE MILK into my head like 300 times...
Given that there's groups of people railing against being told not to do the things on this list, yes, apparently.
Being a multi-millionaire is just... really tough. People don't understand - nobody listens to you. You become... alienated.
We have a long way to go yeah, and it’s a strong reason to keep R&D funded in that arena. We won’t be able to just muscle our way through it, and the time may come when we need a good corpus of research in a hurry. Luna seems like a good compromise for now, with low g, proximity to Earth, and an environment we don’t mind taking risks with.
Is this a story, seriously? I've been using 4G in the tunnels in Stockholm since 2012, 3G before that.
Thanks for your answer. Appreciate that you replied, I see you looked up references. As you reference "hours talking" and "a decade and a half of debunking", likely you're over this and impatient - hopefully I can understand your points quickly.

For my part I certainly had the impression that thousands of engineers and architects were quite convinced that there was a controlled demolition following the plane crashes. Please note that I didn't take any political conclusions from this and would be interested in just sticking to the building structural facts - whether there was a controlled demolition in the opinion of structural engineers and architects.

1. When you write "one of the schools that did the actual research you're claiming was false", what research are you referring to? I didn't reference any study nor have one in mind, I'm a bit confused here.

2. From your last sentence, I think overall you're saying:

"I am certain that following the plane crashes no controlled demolition led to the collapse of the buildings. The 2270 people who signed the petition are not qualified architects. Qualified architects do not claim it was a controlled demolition (let alone obviously one.)"

Can you confirm this - is that right?

Besides these two points of clarification, I'll try not to waste more of your time. Thanks again for the replies.
No, all source code lines should be max 80 columns wide, always. That way, you can put a well-defined number of editor panes next to each other on the screen (3 columns on a 16:9, 2 columns on a 4:3). You're also able to print out snippets of source code on paper at 10pt font size.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that people just don't care enough about those places.

No one cares about Huntsville, AL and most high-profile people would not reside there, so no one hears about any of this bubble behavior from the other side.

The most important cities (culturally and economically) are, at least, left-leaning. So, you'll only hear about conservatives being rejected by the "liberals" in {city}.

I grew up in a conservative town. Personal experience says the bubble on that side is arguably worse and more violent. Being openly gay or not-white or not-Christian (or accepting of those things) in my hometown was a good way to end up harassed and possibly assaulted on a regular basis.
However you feel about Jordan Peterson, he brings up this fact all the time, esp w/ regards to Scandinavia, would define this phenomenon as the difference between equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome, and that the genders, when provided the option, tend towards different preferences (e.g. bricklayers vs nurses), and that environment factors can skew these natural preferences in either direction.

raises the question of _why_ women in these egalitarian societies are currently are selecting against STEM. Because for example there are plenty of female accountants, which is not normally thought of as a "people" business. So perhaps the environmental factors could change the preferences.

Whether the overall result is preferable for society, I have no idea.
It's working ok
> insane, insufferable far left crazies

Definitely this option.

And by the way, I've been increasingly wondering lately whether our blind insistence on labelling absolutely everything "left/right" or "red/blue" isn't doing our society real damage. I've never voted conservative my entire life but I have nothing in common with the far left and indeed fear them a lot more than the far right. We need a new vocabulary.
well making Engineering and Science careers as well rewarded and give them the same social status as say the Law, Medicine are might help.

Those young women with triple A's beloved of headline writers come exam time are making a rational decision not to go into a field where they are badly paid.
As much as I like Lisp or Smalltalk, I cannot help but wonder if they are really great in the large. Smalltalk has a pattern called Double Dispatch that makes sense but seems to tightly couple the classes. I keep looking at, of all things, the VBX market in the 90's and wonder why we don't have those type of components with current languages. I think something based on agents that create loosely coupled systems where it easier to expand and replace parts would be a better place to look for a future programming language.
We do not live in the same Nashville.

Not only is it not “pretty liberal” by any definition, people here aren’t any less political than people on the coasts, and they don’t “live their lives” any more, whatever that even means.

However, people here are less angry about Trump and the Republicans because they’re much more likely to have voted for him and support what he’s doing. They were plenty angry when Obama was in office.

Also, “southern charm” is real and nice at first, but in my experience it’s actually pretty shallow, cheap, and discriminatory. It’s mainly surface-level and primarily extended to non-poor white Christian conservatives. Minorities, immigrants, gays, liberals, non-Christians, and poor people are treated differently.
Boxing without an opponent. It’s a training method and happens to be highly effective at making you fitter, but it’s just not good to improve your boxing skills per se.
Rigetti Quantum Computing is a relatively recent YC startup that happens to use Common Lisp for building out their quantum programming language, compiler, and simulator stack. For those tasks, it has been an excellent choice, especially given the hugely exploratory and rapidly evolving space.

Rigetti hosted one of the Lisp meetups to talk about their use of Lisp and it was recorded in a talk "Lisp at the Frontier of Computation" [0].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9vRcSAneiw

(Disclaimer: I'm the speaker in the video.)
Few comes in my mind: iRobot[1], Grammarly, D-wave. I feel there is something in common but it is hard to describe.

[1] If you call iRobot is a venture company. It is actually 30 yrs old.
For those that don't know, Herbert Simon wrote an autobiography called Models of my life. It's an interesting read.
None, he answered the (presumably?) rhetorical question.
Sounds like robopsychologist might become a real job after all.
Does JVM qualify? Different languages Java Scala etc compile to IL. Run analysis tools on that.
Avoiding compiler verifications is one way to get some extra productivity on a class of problems. As you said, it does not come without downsides.

But there are many language level tools that will help with your productivity. Some are all upside things, others come with different trade-offs. The article isn't even focused on compile-time verifications.
Kudos.

I'd agree, old ideas, new contexts. The twists matter.
Peter Thiel knows what the best city in california is!!
It's also very similar to the point raised in the original article:

> The researchers, from Leeds Beckett University and the University of Missouri, believe this might be because countries with less gender equality often have little welfare support, making the choice of a relatively high-paid STEM career more attractive.
The claim was, "If you tell Alexa, 'buy me a chromecast", it orders you an Amazon fire stick instead.'"

None of the articles you linked describe that happening. It seems pretty unlikely. Perhaps at one point it suggested a Fire Stick as an alternative, but it doesn't seem to be doing that currently.
I'm new to serverless, but I've wondered what happens if:

- The function get stuck and run forever?

- It causes a request to loop?

And you have hundreds or thousands of these "functions" deployed?

Couldn't that cause sky-high costs if it goes undetected or even unwanted DDOS against other's infrastructure?
Just click on "flag". They disappear soon enough.
The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM: A Seeming Paradox
Ah. The Good Ol' Days!
This document serves no real purpose, aka 'virtue signaling'.
Isn’t this title a bit misleading? It sounds like there is only service in one ‘tunnel’ on the Grand Central Shuttle. Everywhere else it’s just on the station platform.
That’s actually a problem. When I myself see a doc, I make a point of being as colloquial about it as possible. Part of our training is about taking what people say and converting it into technical symptoms; when people start to “communicate effectively” it heavily biases us towards certain diagnoses. The more intelligent/educated the patient the more likely we are to take one of their word choices at face value.

Personally, all I ever want from a patient is a clear timeline of events, their best attempt to articulate what they felt, a list of scripts, and old medical records (especially imaging.) The patient that can give me that has made the task of helping them 1000x easier.
Imagine a subject only sociopaths are willing to take. I see good reasons why the society might want to change the framework so that even non-sociopaths take that subject.

Now, neither men nor women are sociopaths, but they are different. They have different behaviour towards risks, on average, among other things. That gives reasons for the society to work on having both genders in every subject.
Paul Graham's Viaweb was rewritten in C++ and Perl after the aquisition by Yahoo. I can imagine that this was easier to deal with for a large team than the original implementation in Lisp.
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The next sentence is: "If we can understand their motivations, then interventions can be designed to help them change their minds." I imagine there is a non-coercive way to try to understand the reasons, and use that to inform counseling of students.
Nice to read an article like this by an actual lifter (who also happens to be a very good writer). I find that product to taste absolutely terrible, and assumed its popularity had to do with anything but its taste. Also I think the name is absolutely horrible. My anecdata has nothing to do with whether it’s a good product, clearly
"There was a pervasive sense that the company wasn’t moving fast enough"

Moving fast enough where? Meetup's core product hasn't changed in over a dozen years. It's a great platform, but except for the user base, it can be cloned in a weekend or two. Do they just mean more user acquisitions? Because there's nowhere to move forward with this product. It already does its job extremely well.
I think that's a perfectly reasonable explanation (obv. not the only one though).

The downvoters should explain themselves.
"I know a lot about one thing, therefore I know a lot about everything"
> The real problem isn’t fake news; it’s that people have given up on that search for truth.

This is where it almost gets profound. The philosopher Harry Frankfurt pointed out, in his "On Bullshit", that the greatest danger isn't lack of truth or even direct falsehoods - it is when we give up searching for truth, or don't care about speaking truthfully. I.e. Bullshit.

However, whatever the people can do to demand rigour and educate themselves on the matters, pales next to a media trying to hold itself to standards. When the media gives up, we are in dire straits indeed, if not utterly lost.

Where I am from in Europe, we have pretty good media standards. But at least one of our biggest newspapers is actively working to muddle the waters for a party.

Without being any kind of expert, other nations do not seem so well off.
I've been thinking about this problem a lot lately: does there exist an isomorphism between high level languages, such that you can map their ASTs and type systems back and forth?
Careful.
About halfway through TFA;

“Things start to get technical from here, but...”

Gee, thanks for the warning!
Not liking being told what not to do does not imply that you want to actually do it though. Maybe I don't want to leave the house today, but that doesn't mean I will accept being locked up.
For fun, let me suggest an absurd theory.

Engineers used to be evenly distributed across non engineers, where they were able to influence family and friends with their methodical thinking. They used to be respected, seen as peers, part of the middle class like all others.

Now, they've all relocated to the west. They command upper middle class salaries, most are the new rich.

Eroded of their engineers, most of the country rallies behind their familiar team.

Isolated and newly rich, the engineers are no longer being fed data about the average non engineer. Therefore they are applying the engineer rational to a biased subset of the data, limiting their effectiveness.

And so here we are. Non engineers know the true reality of their problems, but don't have the tools to solve them. So they rally behind charlatans. While engineers have the skill set to solve problems, but no longer know the realities of the problems to solve.

A dystopian future is sure to follow.
> If you don't study computer science now you will likely be in the same boat 30 years from now with illiterate folks of today.

"Studying computer science" and "using a computer" are worlds apart. And the distance seems to be increasing even further.
Boston has had wireless signal in the subways for over a decade now.
>Who doesn't want to be the next Bill Gates or Elon Musk?

Microsoft made killer software and that was basically it for the first like 15 years of their company. If a company can last 15 years and be a behemoth, by all means, start venturing for new green fields... but WeWork becoming an owner of a Kindergarten... what?

Elon Musk is a person, not a company. And all of his companies tie into a core vision (Advance humanity).

WeWork is just starting a school because it... uh... involves a building? I can excuse WeLive because hey, that's a great idea and actually dovetails with WeWork nicely.
> 17 years later and I still don’t see all those Lisp startups :)

I don't see where in the article he is claiming that you would see many Lisp startups in the future.
Eeeh. Having a small but not tiny labor pool can be beneficial in that the programmers you get are probably better than average, since average people don't tend to learn off-path languages.
Totally irrelevant to this article, but you are technically correct.

Let X = "angle"

Let Y = sin(X)

Then X has a causal relationship with Y, but Corr(X, Y) = 0.

I doubt that's what you're saying, though!
Copied from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16377044

Reddit discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/7xapx2/freebsds_ne...

Comments from one of the people responsible for creating the CoC are here: https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/7xapx2/freebsds_ne...
If women do actually naturally prefer non-STEM fields on average then is the science on the subject being sexist? I am more interested in the truth than in making the numbers between men and women be exactly 50/50 in everything.
The role, skills, and duties of a software architect
What's changed that these CoC's are now deemed neccessary where they previously weren't?
Speed of light != Speed of photons (in general)

Speed of a photon = Speed of light in vacuum
I think it's certainly possible that different career preferences is true and that the current distribution in practice is still skewed. That is, perhaps the "right" distribution is something like 60/40 men/women, in which case both 50/50 men/women and 90/10 men/women would be skewed and pushing people out of careers they'd be happy with.
True. Unfortunately, at least around here a lot of buildings have been built in the past five or so decades that are fine insulation-wise but sorely lacking in ventilation, natural or otherwise, leading to widespread health issues. Many prefab concrete buildings from the 60s and 70s, even 80s, are practically ready for demolition.
Well, I'd guess that it's less pure emotion, and more moral values, likely religiously-derived.
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I'm not so sure, CS is essentially a new blue collar job. There need to be lots of computer programmers, but they don't actually need a university education in most cases, so in countries with working vocational education tons of people get programming jobs without a university degree.
I wonder how short you could make a code of conduct. Here's my attempt:

1. No politics

2. No religion

3. Don't be a cunt
FreeBSD's new CoC wouldn't ban a sexist comment like this, because of the odd "oppressed group" language. Hopefully it was just a copy/paste mistake from the Geek Feminism code.

There's no place in a software project for insulting someone's gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. just because it's a more typical one. There are certain toxic community members who use well-intended rules like this a shield while they proceed to insult certain groups or stereotype them.

Better to avoid that type of discussion entirely. It's a software project, not a place to discuss politics or race relations. Hopefully they take a look into this and adopt a more neutral CoC like LLVM's: https://llvm.org/docs/CodeOfConduct.html
My perception is that downvoting has increased. I often upvote downvoted comments that are perfectly reasonable, though I might disagree with them (or simply not care much), because downvoting can alienate folk from commenting – I've had that before myself – and I want to read the best content.

re ads: I hate them, but I would only contemplate downvoting someone claiming that the internet would die without them – the whole entitlement to push them to my eyeballs thing – unless the comment cited evidence.
Common Lisp has readtables, so technically Lisp has been already syntax-independent. You can switch between ()s and []s, for example.
json is also based on javascript, but language agnostic. You could also specify a subset of typescript, just like json is a subset of javascript.
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Lately it's the fashion to just downvote.
That sounds right to me. Anecdatally I've talked with a lot of latin American girls e.g. Colombians, who are studying engineering, (and busy with exams on maths and science subjects) who don't seem at all the type. I think it's an in-demand job with good prospects, where maybe there aren't so many competing career choices.

(Interesting psychological study, why you're being downvoted for saying that. Maybe that people are nowadays conditioned to assume any talk of gender differences is sexism, I've noticed.)
Maybe to offset effects of intractable factors like female representation in media, traditional careers of older female figures in family etc.

These facetors aren't limited to geographical boundaries and hence could affect the populace of countries with both low and high HDI equally.