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Given the government's track record with some big projects like healthcare.gov which is still a nightmare to use, I would not trust them to be an ISP. In fact, in the past, some states did (or still do) have their own ISP that they use at a lot of schools and public facilities. Ours was always slow with frequent outages.

I think a hybrid approach with the government managing and maintaining the physical lines and allowing isps to plug in and pay rent is the way to go. The ISP rent should be enough to cover the cost of physical line maintenance.
I'm always surprised that folks on here don't think about the future of last mile connectivity being wireless, instead of wired. Next generation wireless networks (5G) are poised to have broadband like speeds, faster latency, and high bandwidth. Wireless operators have been pretty explicit in that their plan to get into the home broadband game. These networks are a few years away from a broad roll out, AT&T is starting next year. I predict there will soon be much more competition in the home broadband game and much of these net neutrality debates will seem pretty silly. Other cities like Boston already have a wireless broadband provider and are moving in this direction.
TimeWarner Cable no longer exists and was purchased by Charter.
Here is my prediction: they will begin slowly, but eventually ISP's will be priortizing the traffic of their shitty versions of various internet services (youtube.com, DropCam, etc...)... This will impact small new businesses the worst because large entities will be able to afford to pay... So, we'll just have less new internet startups... Will be quite hard to quantify.
Shortly prior to the recent US presidential election, I worked next to a nice, smart young man from California who went to a well-known progressive university in the bay area. Politics was very rarely discussed at work, but in the weeks before the election, there was some cross talk in the isles.

He trusted me enough to message me privately that he was planning to vote for Trump. At that time, I was quite anxious about the thought of a Trump presidency, but I'm pretty far along the open-minded scale, so we chatted about it privately a bit.

My co-worker asked me to not speak about his position and to not let anyone else know about it, because he feared that his 'out of place' political views would, in his words, 'indirectly limit his career options.'

Why he supported Trump is pretty irrelevant, but I found his opinion reasonable, though I disagreed with his overall choice.

You know what? I agreed with his concern at the time, and I still agree with it. Consciously and otherwise, I think that quite a few of the fine progressive folk that we find ourselves surrounded by here in the bay area would hold such an opinion against him in important ways.

I think that a pretty big chunk of Trump's votes came from people who would otherwise not have voted for him...but did so because they sensed, correctly, that their thoughts, ideas and voices were being marginalized (and demonized) by progressives.

At this point, I can't imagine a path forward that has much of a chance of bearing fruit.
No, the 'logical response' isn't wrong, it just isn't followed by all self-proclaimed 'liberals'.

Of course some liberals will have emotional reponses to something that is not actually an intolerant opinion, like your example. There is no admission requirements to be a 'liberal', so we can't deny entry to people who don't understand the difference between a moral question and an implementation question like minimum wage.
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I don't mind people being socially conservative, you can have whatever opinions you want about how you think people should live their lives or whatnot, and I'm perfectly willing to discuss them with you. I may not understand how you came to hold those views, but that likely goes both ways.

What I'm not OK with, however, is people not respecting other people's rights to have their own views. And that goes from calling them names to refusing to serve them in their business to refusing to offer them the health insurance they want.

Edit: Just to be clear, I agree that merely expressing views should not result in an online inquisition. That people whose views I generally agree with do makes me very uncomfortable, and I agree with Sam Altman that this makes it difficult to have serious discussions.
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Would you please not post unsubstantive comments here?
Actually, many of them are not. Because they're big they can afford to pay ISPs to no throttle their traffic, while their small competitors can't.
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I've had a few videos on Facebook recently begin playing, and then 10sec in start to play an ad.

I have since stopped watching FB videos.
Maybe something else would have taken it's place and you would speculate about wanting to reinvent that instead if it didn't exist
T1 lines only carry 1.544 Mbps. On the upside, I don't think they cost $1000 nowadays.
It's 1000 wallets, not people: there can be a lot of people behind a single wallet (exchange cold wallets, for instance).
> As a private citizen, can I (snip) just lay a super long fiber cable straight to (the internet).

Yes. I worked on a startup ISP for a few years, which attempted to do this. It's actually really easy to do :

1) Pick a point where you can get connection to the internet. (Backhaul). This is usually a phone companies central office, but it can also be at a data centre or other point of presence.

2) Run fiber cable from there to your customers. (You can also use wireless gear instead for a WISP. I don't like this approach, it's very 1990s despite all the newer better gear, but it's much cheaper than fiber and if your careful it can work out OK)

3) Setup some light network management.

Some cities / municipalities have signed agreements for monopoly rights to a telephone or cable provider. Many (but not all) of them can be worked around by simply not selling telephone or TV service.

The land between you and your customers is owned. You'll need space in public property (or 'right of way') to connect to them. This also varies based on city/county/state/local laws, but in Michigan there are somewhat decent rules around this. (Set rates for underground conduit access or utility pole access, rules about what can/can't be blocked, etc).

The only real roadblock is money. Fiber ISPs are super cheap at scale, but are effectively impossible to bootstrap unless you are already a millionaire. In Michigan, I could easily offer everyone residential 500mbps to the home via fiber for $50/month and cover all costs, no problem. But only after we already had a few thousand customers. The cost for your very first customer is somewhere north of $50k/each, and prices don't become reasonable until your in the thousands.

In most areas, the only thing you really need to start an ISP is (1) Lots of money, and (2) perseverance. There's not really any rules that prevent it, and the regulations aren't unreasonable. But the upfront cost is so high, it rules out basically any honest person from having the chance to do it.
I remember when I was a kid and "Safe Area" meant "the distance I could ride a bicycle and still make it back home by sundown." Times sure have changed. People are paranoid if they think a mall is some safe island within a hellish sea of suburban crime.
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I don't think you can compare your minifier to the Closure Compiler. For one, it doesn't type check or transpile. But I definitely commend the DIY attitude!
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I agree, to some extent, but I'm not sure if wireless will ever be able to give me gigabit speed with sub 10ms latency. If that's possible, then I'm ready to sign up right now!
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Unfortunately telcos have had a great year in power consolidation in spite of everyone's opinions or demands. Representatives in government have represented the ISPs/telcos over individual demands, voting in favor of their bribes over what nearly everyone wants.

Jeff Flake started this destruction in the senate where he pushed through the ISP privacy bill that allows them monopoly power and first rights to users info that they have no choice in excluding. Google/Facebook/Amazon earned your data by giving you a service you wanted, ISPs just default get it first now and you have NO CHOICE in the matter.

Ajit Pai has now handed the keys to the ISPs further in removing title II protections and common carrier status. Net neutrality is now gone.

Underneath all the madness of 2016/2017, telcos/ISPs have been slashing and burning the internet and privacy. They better hope competition is held back for some time because people will not forget this.

ISPs are not a service friendly to consumers who want fair internet or small/medium business that want fair representation in the markets.
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If this isn't commonplace in human psychology maybe it's because most people in the US are taught from a young age that they're 'something special' you know? 'You can be anything, you can be the president!!'

But then we get to school / college / work and find out we're actually really mediocre. We still all secretly think we're special, undiscovered, and unappreciated.
That's exactly right. This is why we need to collaborate across party lines.
Wait just a gosh-darn minute there...

"Considering both distributional effects and changes in efficiency, it is a good idea to let companies that send video or other content to consumers pay more to Internet service providers for the right to send that traffic using faster or higher quality service."

I believe Netflix and YouTube and what-not already pay their service providers for the bandwidth they use.
Sorry, I missed this response. The goal, to me, for a chess playing AI, is not that it be very effective at the game. We have already shown that simple algorithms exist which are better than humans. The novelty presented by Alphazero is the generalization of positional evaluation with deep learning structures. If you present Alphazero with this board, and ask it to learn how to play starting from this position, what does it discover? Does that translate to other "similar" pathological boards?
Almost 400 bugs closed. That shows real discipline and love for your product. You can be proud of yourself!
When I lived there, I had 200mbps up and 200 down for $70 a month and it was great. This was before Google came to town. But since I didn't own property, I guess I was out of the loop on property taxes.
Fair points. I consider the lack of support for the good F# features like records and DU to be an extremely big downside. I think we agree on the facts, just weigh the costs and benefits differently.
No, they are saying anyone is allowed to fork this for any reason, but we’d really prefer the W3C didn't fork this for the reason that they are, because it's confusing and counterproductive.

Whether someone should be permitted to do something is a different issue than whether they should actually do it.
You probably meant health care, this will probably shrink the pharmaceutical market by a non-trivial amount. Hopefully the effects will be long lasting and therapy won't have to be repeated (or if it does it will be with months if not years of remissions without treatment).

The people who will benefit from that treatment will probably need to take less or no anti-psychotics daily.

A great win since these drugs have ugly side effects (obesity in the short term, and neurological problems after decades).
2 Engineers from Microsoft Azure team tweeted about lots of work opportunities yesterday. It was quite interesting. They were looking for Junior/Senior devs writing Go, Rust, JS, PHP, Python and a few more languages.
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Read the book with an open eye for all the ways the human protagonists are empowered by the latest in contemporary high tech. They are only winning because of cutting edge (at the time) information technology: shorthand, the telegraph network, wax cylinder audio recordings, expert application of knowledge about train schedules. (And souped up steamboats)

It already has everything that steampunk can be, except for the subtext of condescending mockery that often happens when current writers look at the historical technology.
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I don't see left agenda oppressed on HN. E.g. posts about universal basic income, allegedly a rather left-wing policy, appear here often, are highly upvoted and, to my mind, discussed in a quite civil manner.
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Me too! But more on a personal level. It was the first time I got a really good description of how thinking of yourself and taking your own interests seriously and putting them on top (of course respecting that other have that right as well) is not only ethical but can also make you and the people you love more happy. I really tended to be overly social, putting others needs over mine, and it made things very difficult in relationships. When you always do what she wants, somehow you start to resent it and then you realize it is you that should invest in finding out what you truly like. Otherwise, what is your love worth if it is not from the most selfish of reasons "I love you because I deeply want to be with you, I'm not doing it for you." To say ‘I love you’ one must first know how to say the ‘I.’

Ok, one more that is nice from our software point of view then and matches your comment:

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"Look, " said Roark. "The famous flutings on the the famous columns—what are they there for? To hide the joints in the wood—when columns were made of wood, only these aren't, they're marble. The triglyphs, what are they? Wood. Wooden beams, the way they had to be laid when people began to build wooden shacks. Your Greeks took marble and they made copies of their wooden structures out of it, because others had done it that way. Then your masters of the Renaissance came along and made copies in plaster of copies in marble of copies in wood. Now here we are, making copies in steel and concrete of copies in plaster of copies in marble of copies in wood. Why?"
I for one cannot wait for the American Facebook user to actually sit down and consider whether they pay their ISP $10 a month to be force fed ads in their time line now throughout all videos and the finally put down the 'free' drug that Facebook has become.

Edit: Not just Facebook but social media as a whole.
I want half a mil spent on us wearing new socks every day for the rest of our lives, and the other half spent on a pool full of sushi.

I understand the pool full of sushi would go bad in about ~8 hours if it is not eaten. I can guarantee you this will not happen.
The most fascinating thing about any of these high-speed-over-crappy-wire technologies is that they all have very cool signal processing going on, with echo cancellation, crosstalk compensation, and even trading of signal response, all in an effort to design and transmit a sort of "anti distortion" distorted signal that, once passed through the distortion caused by the crappy wire, will results in the desired clean signal.

For a funny example of how sensitive some of these links are, just flick a 100m ethernet cable, running at 10G, with your finger. If you're of normal luck, this will cause a temporary changed in the electrical characteristics of the wire, and that "anti distortion" distortion to be temporarily incorrect, causing a interruption in the data!
Because wireless spectrum is finite. Anyone who's been on LTE since it started rolling out can tell you how degraded the network has become since more people came on to it.
FB doesn't optimize for enriching you, or even for agreeing with you - it's optimized for engaging you. If a barely-lucid rant comming out of a political faction you hate will mindworm you, that's what they'll show you.
> it's really no different than emailing pics or breaking out wallet snapshots during parties.

It's more like breaking out wallet snapshots at a party, handing them off to a middleman who scans and stores them for future analysis, then maybe shows them to your friends (with some advertisements mixed in) depending on whether or not their algorithm decides it's profitable to do so.
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> they need to figure out how to move

no, they don't.

You need to consider that telling people to leave the geographic area that is their family home is a shitty response. You need to consider whether, perhaps, there are government policies that can help these people. You need to consider whether sneering at poor people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps makes you a shitty person.

Also how is a single working mother going to have time to learn to fix her own car? you're on another planet right now.
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The counter to this is always that if ENOUGH people take on this attitude, voter turnout drops and it does end up making a difference.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/15/u-s-voter-tu...
Because some large percentage of people are filled with cynicism and pessimism?

Every objective measure of society is better today than at any time in the past, and yet we have people calling for curtailing a core American value due to a supposed social emergency. These demoralized people need a hard reality check because there's nothing fact-based about the way they think or behave.

There are orders of magnitude more educated people in the world today than ever before. Development of technology is rapidly accelerating. The idea that we can't solve our problems without sacrificing our souls is just pathetic and historically un-American.
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Why are they allowed to monetize so much pirated/freebooted content?
> Yeah because that hasn't happened, and if it did would be met with universal condemnation and be up against full weight of law enforcement and the legal system.

True they haven't actually murdered anyone yet but The Twitter Mob (aka Antifa) has assaulted quite a few wrong-thinkers, or people they thought were wrong-thinkers, or people just walking to work minding their own business who may or may not have wrong-thunk in the past.
I've noticed that FB started inserting ads about 10 seconds into playing a video. Now when I see the "about to start ad" I just go to the next video and skip it.

Ads before videos just means I won't be watching videos on Facebook.
Many non-technical people require 6-12 months to find a new job and would likely run out of cash before then after plowing it all into a startup.
It also didn't lose, since WHATWG HTML retains an XML syntax (no longer formally called XHTML, But it's the evolution of the same thing.)

There are still use cases for the XML syntax.
As someone from a country without net neutrality, I have to say this hasn't happened. Generally you get very cheap or free plans that are sponsored by Facebook or others that give priority to Facebook, but ISPs are always happy to take a little bit more money for an unlimited plan that gives you full access. And at least in my country, they're not unreasonably priced.

Even without net neutrality, your single monopoly ISP could triple their prices and there would be nothing you could do about it. The fact that they haven't seems to show that net neutrality probably isn't going to affect you all that badly. No sane company is going to block Google Wallet or Netflix.

Feels like net neutrality isn't the problem - it's Spectrum that is the problem. If repealing net neutrality gets your country to fix your real problem, then I'd say it's going to be a massively good thing in the long run as top parent on this comment chain implied.
Wow, we're paying A LOT more than we need to.
This is the route I'm thinking - crowdfunded. Problem is how do you crowdfund "unfettered, utility-style access to the internet" when your funders are spread across the country? It would have to be municipality by municipality. Much harder to get a concentrated volume of funding.

Could go the VC route, are there other companies doing this right now? Is the profit model not sellable to a VC yet?

It might not be feasible until the actions of other ISPs drive demand high enough for new ones.
Now that the FCC has repealed net neutrality, let’s adopt it in California
Listen to what? Work more, receive less pay and benefits, and give up safety nets. Sounds exactly like something people would vote for in a functional democracy.
The title of your essay is the very height of arrogance.

Your assertion is that it is very important to human progress that people who despise homosexuals (or others) be allowed to spread their hatred without any social or professional repercussions.

This is, at best, a questionable assertion, and it is one that you give no evidence for.

However, you are so insanely fucking arrogant that you're comparing yourself to Gallileo? As you fight for the right of powerful oppressors to demonize minorities?

Go fuck yourself, sam. Go fuck yourself.

I know that you're a fucking coward, so you won't respond. You'll probably just have dang delete the post (because you do not actually believe in open speech).... but man... fuck you, and fuck your shitty fucking parents for raising you to believe that it's somehow more important to protect bigotry and hatred than it is to protect actual goddamned people.
Imagine all the A/B/C/D/E/F/G testing going on at Facebook. I imagine that they fine tune a lot of things just for you.
Are you suggesting that someone should do time for running a script that happen to stumble on one of your bugs?
When I first moved to Portland, Oregon about 10 years ago, the inner sections of the city has free city-wide wireless. I was broke and in school, but still basking in what I believed the future would be like. 2 years later, they pulled the plug so I had to get a Comcast account and forgo having internet at my art studio. And now this.
>No sane company is going to block Google Wallet

Verizon, then, is insane. http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/06/technology/verizon_blocks_go...
It has definitely succeeded. For example, New Zealand uses this model, and we're actually in the middle of rolling out fiber to almost every house in the country.

Okay, so technically in New Zealand the last-mile infrastructure is owned by a utility company, not a non-profit. However, the utility companies are selected by the government and tightly regulated, so they act more like non-profits than typical companies. Also note that they aren't allowed to actually sell internet access to consumers; they only maintain the infrastructure.
> NN is a mechanism for internet providers to completely take over delivery of the internet whereby they can effectively censor information, kill or allow companies to kill their competitors, and charge artificially higher premiums for information they do not produce.

Um, what? That's literally the opposite of NN.
> Email, text messages, the telephone, and a million other similar services?

Mostly one to one, meaning more time investment if you want to reach a bunch of people with some news. Or maybe a mailing list you'd have to manage (which can be quite a chore thanks to spam). Dependency on high/reliable bandwidth for the video-char route. Again, utility to one might not equal utility to others. Some people have less free time to do everything in the way you or wybiral might, or maybe they just have different preferences. Maybe they actually enjoy seeing two of their friends who would otherwise never meet discover a common interest, or maybe even have a good argument, in the comment thread for something they posted. Maybe they're perfectly happy with "short snippets concurrently mixed together" and would derive less utility from your alternatives. It's awfully judgmental, and even a bit privileged, to assume that you're doing social life right and they're doing it wrong.