skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
"""I think people are easier to control, but less productive when they have drugs. So it's really a question of what your nation is optimizing for at the time."""

This is an opinion.

My opinion about your opinion is that your opinion is completely dumb and completely unfounded.

Michael Phelps smokes marijuana...along with countless other extremely high performers, doctor's, lawyers, politicians,movie stars, scientists Nobel prize winners, etc.

As for saying that executing drug offenders 'works'....I can't think of anything I've ever heard that's dumber in my life.

Especially when you could just execute ANYONE for breaking a law and keep the jails completely empty!

Why would you be so weak on crime?
> It's unlikely popular and profitable services will be hindered by the lack of net neutrality.

Huh? Did you forget already that both Verizon and Comcast throttled services like Netflix? They both argued they should get a cut if they were going to carry the traffic to their customers. Now they're getting exactly what they wanted.

1. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/07/veriz...

2. https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-com...
I feel like the making the examples about Netflix/Google misses the point. This is way more dangerous than that - without Net Neutrality rules there's nothing to legally stop an ISP from "prioritizing" and "deprioritizing" any number of political and social sites.

Digital fundraising for politicians is a very real and active thing. Would they be upset with if their side was suddenly hit with a 30s / page load penalty? DNS blackholed?

The deeply cynical part of me thinks that's exactly what they want.
Comments moved to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15749150.
Marginal Utility. A $400 27" 4k Ultrasharp isn't 1/3rd as good as a 5k 27" Ultrasharp.
No, I opened it on my iPhone X, and regular scrolling (moving my finger up / down the screen) doesn't move the webpage. Instead, I have to try and click the scrollbar on the right hand side (on my iPhone!) and then move the scroller in the opposite direction as I'd swipe.
The explanation also doesn't fit the data. Wages have been surging the past few years, not just this year.
I don't watch TV, cable or NFLX. I read newspapers, nerd papers, old Project Gutenberg philosophy books and watch YouTube lectures or instrumental music. Amazon is great for my never shopping habit. Hobbyist sites are better than magazines used to be for user product reviews.

But I never enjoyed speaking with people who watch TV. That's why I found the Ultrix and the Net in the 1980's back at Harvard. I live in DC and like cities for policed walkable streets (I don't drive), live jazz, museums, book clubs and small ethnic restaurant venues.

But our consumer Net has been been a waste of time just like roadside American life has always been.

This is like the film "China Town" with cable utilities filling in for water utilities. I know I'm an old man, but nothing has changed much despite our SFX propaganda fictions.
In practice, it's not, primarily, these companies (with the possible exception of Netflix) who are going to be hurt by this. They're too important; if ISPs try to traffic-shape Facebook noticeably their users will revolt. It'll be smaller companies and startups.
> There seems to be a lot of competition for buses in Germany

Flixbus market share was 90% in January, read just the other day that it raised to 93% recently.

https://www.statista.com/topics/3361/long-distance-bus-marke...
Exactly... most pro-proposal folks are not going to call in asking them to support (since it benefits industry). So as many anti-proposal folks that can call in, the better. Also document their response for the next election cycle - pro Trump, pro cable company, anti internet freedom, etc.

If a scenario is possible under the new proposal, point that out =>

"Soon, your cable company can intentionally make your Youtube/Pinterest/Facebook slow. Ask your congress man/woman why they are willing to support this? <Congress contact info> <Website to protest>"

or

"Are you ready for slower Youtube? You can upgrade for $X to make it normal again. Your friendly ISP/Cable company. Ask your congress man/woman why they are willing to support this? <Congress Contact Info> <Website to protest>"

You have to use simple language in terms people understand, and provide a number to call.
How about the Skype before it was bought by MS? You know, the one that was actually good, lean, and without ads.
Is your hypothesis that Cloudflare doesn't _pay_ them for those certificates?

How about cPanel and others who bundle Comodo certificates?

No, I think Comodo are doing very nicely off this. They've correctly judged that they're never going to be the Maserati in this industry they need to be Ford or Toyota and too bad if some people sneer.
That would imply that we had a choice in what would be campaign issues. I'd like to think that we do, but my cynicism grows stronger everyday.
> When America was founded, the fourth pillar of government was the free press, i.e. the gatekeepers of information. Today, capitalism and naked avarice have broken the back of this key democratic institution,

What makes you say this? I seriously don't follow.
Yes Comcast is spending a ton of money lobbying this because they want to prioritize E911 traffic.
As native Portuguese, my biggest beef with Google translate is that it cannot make heads or tails from Portuguese variants when translating.

Same applies to other non-English languages, like Spanish and French, not sure how much this affects English variants as well.

Most of the time one gets a translation that isn't fully correct from the point of view of how the language is actually used in a specific country, sort of mixing American and British English on the same sentence.
Absolutely! And that's just in your bathroom wear-and-tear maintenance.

Never mind commercial plumbing! Small business owners trying to sort out a commercial block backup caused by a grease-trap failure could start to turn out a few issues...

Plumbers deserve higher regard than they're given (all great plumber jokes aside).

That said if the tech could be used to improve the training of specialists in remote areas/ areas that might be short a few journeymen or master tradespersons, or aid in especially complex problems, it could be a huge boon and reduction in cost (eg - travel costs).
Quality-of-Service controls for different classes of traffic are already an important part of how the internet works, but is entirely separate from Net Neutrality.

An operator like Verizon, for example, that runs phone service (including emergency calls) over the same lines as their standard internet service pretty much has to prioritize packet types differently. This is expected and understood by all parties.

The Net Neutrality that people are up in arms about is related to limiting traffic of the same class based on which endpoints are involved. For example, Verizon cannot throttle (or worse, outright block) HTTP traffic to Netflix/Hulu/Youtube to 1KB/s to drive users to their own competing service.
I absolutely keep advocating for this, but that headline doesn't get as many clicks as "Trump is destroying the internet" unfortunately.

The FTC can regulate all areas business, the FCC can only regulate communication. If people stop turning this into a red vs blue issue we could actually get somewhere.
How would you propose that packets be prioritized? I don't like the idea of the government telling me what packets should be prioritized. And saying that they all need to be treated the same is equally as bad.

But the real issue here is that the need for net neutrality is a symptom and not the root disease.

The disease that needs to be solved is a complete lack of competition in the ISP market. Service providers could differentiate themselves by QoS.

You wouldn't need a net neutrality law if you had competition.
I think you underestimate the cost differential between contracting with a lab to drug-test your employees on an ongoing basis, and with hiring a software developer once to make a rudimentary video game that positively correlates a passing score with operating heavy industrial equipment safely for the next 8 hours.

Hell, you could set up an old Atari with Frogger in it, and require employees to score X points before clocking in. It might not have a very strong correlation, but it sure would be cheaper and more goal-specific than drug testing.

It would more likely take the form of "watch this simulated surveillance video of the work floor, and press the space bar to stop the machinery on the entire production line". When someone steps over the warning tape on the floor around the person-shredder, you press the button. If someone gets their sleeve stuck in the dude-grinder, you press the button. If the part-spewer starts stamping out misaligned doohickeys, you press the button. If your response time is too slow, you aren't fit to clock in for today's shift. Or it could be a simulation of operating the actual machine that employee uses, attempting to predict their productivity for the day.

It has the added benefit of sneaking safety training videos into the daily workflow.
I don't know anyone who has a land-line phone anymore. I know many people who have dropped cable. It won't be that easy to force people back to those things now that they have experienced the alternative.
Developing Real-Time Apps with Meteor
Partially because ISPs were afraid that pushing their luck too much would result in rules like this coming in. Removing the rules gives a blessing for bad ISP behaviour in a way that mere absence of the rules did not.
I've read that Cruz only takes meetings with representatives of formal groups.
> down syndrome students get a lot more funding than genius students.

Uh, Wow. The magnitude of this problem is...? Your solution is...? This rant is relevant to UBI because...?

> How can our economy be driven by 'short term economics' when we have trillions of dollars locked away in 20+ year investments?

20 years is not long term in my book, but that's entirely beside the point. The private profit motive is the short term thinking I was referring to. Financial investments seeking a return for the benefit of a private party are a completely different thing than funding climate change research or education.

> We do pay a lot for education

We spend a lot. That's different than paying teachers a lot or giving students performance based incentives. It's different than having adequate facilities and training for teachers.

> We should spend less money on educating would-be gangsters and more money education would-be scientists.

How? What actual change are you proposing here that utilizes short term profits to produce more scientists than criminals?
> Switch to another internet provider.

That's not an option for most Americans, and part of the reason why net neutrality is necessary.
See also: partisans complaining that they're "sick of politics" when presented with opposing opinions.
Deleted my post, which doesn't really refute the parent, I was just tilted by his shameless soapboxing. You do wonder how a thread on John Raines becomes one on Wikileaks.
AT&T said it intends to work to make online video services less attractive
>assures

yeah, but how?
One of the positives I see here is that if the doomsday scenarios come to pass, it might actually enable competition to emerge.

There's certainly lots of artificial barriers to entry to competition, but Google managed to overcome these in a number of regions. Yet somehow Google Fiber was ultimately a failure. It's already been downsizing and put all further expansion plans on hold. So what happened? You could write a novel there, but the most basic point is that not enough people signed up. After 5 years of operation Google managed a whopping 68,715 television subscribers and 453,000 broadband subscribers. They found that in poorer neighborhoods people would, inexplicably, not even sign up for the free option! That factoid alone, which is really hard to even conceive of, I think emphasizes how much of a bubble we all, including Google, live in. They responded by sending out grants to digital literacy groups.

Nobody seems to really like Comcast/Time Warner, yet people apparently are not sufficiently incentivized to swap carriers when the possibility arises. If the doomsday scenarios do come to pass, this could hopefully change. Ultimately the power is with the people, but most are not yet willing to speak with their wallet. The time when things will finally change is when this happens, or when a new competitor (perhaps satellite/balloon internet) enters the picture.
True, but atrocity conveys something extra that 567231 does not. Or at least that's what the humans tell me.
Both Verizon and AT&T executives publicly stated that they wanted to charge sites like Google and Yahoo in order for the ISPs customers to be allowed to access those sites.

Stopping them from doing that was one of the reasons that first Congress and then the FCC took up the net neutrality issue about 10 years ago.
I'm a little surprised that the courts don't get cranky at the firm that files hundreds of cases and then retracts pretty much all of them. It seems like red flag behavior that should be investigated. Is there just a lack of oversight on legal firms? It seems to take exceptionally egregious behavior before anybody steps in.
Yes it is. If your great doctor had to pass a drug test, he would be perfectly capable of abstaining long enough to pass it.
I help busy devs to spread their GitHub projects over the Web
Same here. Tab mix plus (for multiple tab rows) is the reason I kept using FF all these years. WebExtensions does not provide the capability to manipulate tabs the way TMP did.
One area I think Firefox could improve is site-level permissions. For example, when third-party cookie blocking is enabled, Chrome will display an icon in the URL bar when cookies are blocked. Using that icon, you can allow cookies if you need to. In Firefox, there's no way to tell that cookies are being blocked, and the procedure to unblock them (for me) involved finding the origin setting the cookie and manually setting the site permissions to allow cookies.

Another example: clicking the information icon for any site in Chrome allows me to quickly enabled/disable permissions. Have a site that is loading really abusive Javascript? In Firefox, there's no way to disable JS for the page outside of using your adblocker or globally disabling it. In Chrome, just click the site icon, click the Javascript menu, and choose disable.
No offense intended here...

but I think you, at once, overestimate the power of Apple...

and underestimate the power of "nations... [that]... disrespect... human rights". (The US, China etc etc I suppose).
Personally, I don't doubt that Snowden caused some damage to the IC community. However, I would argue that the benefit to people who would like to live in a modern democracy far outweighs that damage.

I truly believe that the only reason more people are not be outraged by the IC's actions is by not understanding their capabilities. I'm a graduate student in CS and am still amazed at what they could do. There's no way in heck I expect my mother to appreciate the gravity of the danger of such a surveillance state because she can't even begin to comprehend what is possible.

EDIT:
why delete your comments? You should stand by your views even if others disagree. Well, not to the point of being stubborn, but in this case I don't get it.
Customers are “held hostage” because often there is only one choice of ISP. They may not offer throttling.

How can you sue your ISP if there is a clause that you must go through binding arbitration instead?

How can you switch to another internet provider if AT&T is the only game in town?
Exactly what I was thinking when I read the stackexchange post. This is just enforcing the stereotype that programmers can't be taken seriously ("bro culture"?).
Software-based 2FA, rather than SMS-based.
>Again, people are flaky. Suddenly paying someone more isn't going to make them start showing up on time.

That's not the objective. Offering more money for the position buys you a better chance of finding someone reliable.
>how it's useful to have some corporate speech rights for purposes of advertising, but political speech isn't necessary or useful, and may even be self-contradictory.

Most mass media speech is corporate. Banning corporate speech would mean shutting down every for-profit news paper and tv station in the country.

Is the Washington Post putting out a story any different than Amazon putting out a story?
A good way to get the right wingers might be to ask them what happens when their ISP blocks "hate speech" (as they or someone else defines it) or political speech that falls far outside well established political views.

This is actually pretty likely to happen.

Of course I suppose it'll be kind of funny to see God Emperor Trump usher in policies that make things like Gab and Voat unreachable. Top Kek!
I highly doubt any Internet plan will list all the websites they won't throttle and it's unreasonable to expect them to do so.

Would you be happy if your electricity provider was free to block access to, I don't know, refrigerators?
There is something slowing it down, but it wasn't under 56. Might be a localised issue, that's always possible.
There IS no other provider. At least not for me. And pretty much everyone I know.

We wouldn't need net neutrality if the ISPs didn't have a monopoly.
I am genuinely asking, how intel ME is related to watching movies in Netflix? Would you mind to elaborate a little bit?
https://www.battleforthenet.com/

This is a simple tool that calls you and puts you through to your legislators, one after another.
Suppose the majority of ISPs was to move to a direction were some significant portion of internet services was "shaped" or throttled in some way that was imposing real disadvantages or inconveniences for the user: wouldn't that open a seizable opportunity for a new player to offer "real" unrestricted connectivity?

I believe it if someone walks us through the incentive structure here step by step, or explains the natural-monopoly nature of this market or something. But just by implying it or pretending this to obvious I'm not convinced.
Question for HN...

As a non-american, what can I do to help you?

I'm from the UK, and I'm fairly worried that if this happens in the US, we'll be next.

I obviously don't have a US representative to call. Is there anything I can do to support the net neutrality fight?

(Will donate to EFF if I can think of nothing better)
Swedish does it but only the five before/after half case, not 10. And generally no other number than five actually. Examples: "Fem över halv två (13:35)" or "fem i halv fyra (15:25)".
U2F support for most sites is already in stable Firefox, you just have to flip security.webauth.u2f in about:config. Unfortunately Google doesn't work yet, maybe due to missing AppID support:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1244959
The FCC adopted the “Network Freedoms” principles and initiated it's first case-by-case action regarding neutrality (the Madison River case over blocking access to Vonage which was settled with a agreement to stop doing that and pay a fine) in 2004-2005. It continued case-by-case enforcement of the principles until the 2010 D.C. Circuit decision in Comcast v. FCC stopped that.

The 2010 and 2015 Open Internet orders were a replacement for case-by-case enforcement.
Other common mistakes are with measurement units and currency.

I often see things like "20 litres of fuel cost 300kr" translated to "20 gallons of fuel cost $300".

I can't reproduce this in a short sentence, it tends to happen when I translate a large block of text.
This is plainly false.

Most households have multiple internet providers.
Man, lots of disclaimers here :/

* UI of the actual product may be different.

* Microsoft Office requires users to purchase licenses.

* Microsoft Word and Microsoft PowerPoint require a download to use.

* DeX Station and HDMI / Charging cable are sold separately.

* Screen image simulated.

* Certain apps may not run or require license (for purchase) on
Samsung DeX.

* DeX Station supports Galaxy S8/S8+ and Note8.
They are currently, but there's an argument that incumbent giants would actually benefit from the end of net neutrality, as it would disproportionately disadvantage startups. So in the long term, don't bet on them staying on the same side.
Good point, but if there was real competition in the ISP market, you could switch providers that do this. Don't fight for net neutrality. Fight for ISP marketplace
It would be more interesting if Netflix passed it on to subscribers specifically from the ISP that charges them. Then you can as a consumer make a better decision factoring in the increased price of goods with one ISP over another.
Show HN: Gameduino 3 – Arduino video playback
Pai is just a hatchet-man. He was never meant to seriously lead the FCC.
Not if all of those services are lumped into a bundle that you pay a blanket price for each month, separate from the rest of your online services.
I share GP's opinion. Snowden changed a lot. The internet really has a global passive attacker that can control US-based companies like puppets, and is doing so.

William Binney said the companies are paid money for providing data and access. How is that not subsidizing that industry? Financial helps are a first-class reason for other governments to impose duties, restrict international trade and subsidize local competitors. Yet, there is no reaction in Europe. Microsoft can freely sell their OS and Intel is free to have their monopoly, and uses that to backdoor everybody.

It is creepy that european countries don't take action.

LiMux was a good example of moving in the right direction. Recently it was abandoned. I didn't see big unseen powers at play there, just the harsh reality that most people don't understand computers and don't care.
Woah they actually altered the quote in the article. The version I posted above is no longer the same.
I would gladly trade in raw 30% performance from my Intel chip for some other platform that did not have American corporate/Deep State/NSA interests behind it.

I just want a minimum bootloader (open source) that boots into Linux - that's it. No "Enteprise management" crap, no NSA crap.

I don't think I have any options. I certainly wouldn't buy Chinese or Russian, and I'm not aware of any EU member state having anything in the works either - but I think it's time we started seriously considering this.

Google/Amazon/Microsoft have the muscle to actually do something about this, but no motivation. I'm surprised that they even trust Intel - it would take one high-profile security breach to turn their respective Cloud Computing businesses upside down - people are already jittery.

I don't know if IBM Power is the solution, or ARM, but it's become abundantly clear that you can't trust Intel or AMD, or the x86 platform, anymore.
First off, these businesses typically don’t “rely on” those wages, the owner is just taking a $20k bonus because they can and they like money.

Undocumented workers take the jobs because there is no financial incentive for an owner to risk breaking the law unless they are getting cash back. The worker is basically paying their employer to break the law.
Isn't it the same though? Netflix (and other sites) will be more or less forced to pass those charges on to the consumers.
It cuts both ways. What's to stop Google, Amazon, Netflix and Facebook from blocking all traffic from AT&T entirely? How long would Comcast or AT&T survive without access to the top 50 sites?
If you're doing telesurgery over the public internet, then this is way down your list of problems.