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> After Charlottesville, are you unconcerned about Nazis in the US?

Compared to what? I wouldn't put Nazis in my top ten list. I'm honestly not sure what I should be advocating for, to be honest. Nazis are horrible people. Racism is evil. Is there any substantial controversy over that?

As far as the male Google executive part, I don't support Pichai's decision, so I'm probably not qualified to answer the question to your satisfaction. I don't envy his job right now, to be sure.
Yes! This is progress is made.
It isn't a question of whether it's the right place to have it.

A corporation may not be the best place to bring up these topics, if your goal is to avoid getting fired. Otherwise, it is a place full of smart engineers and the guy probably had some fantasy that he can have a constructive conversation in a corporate setting about a policy which Google as a corporation faces external and internal pressure about.

But as far as receptiveness, yes Google was a great venue for this, given who works there. Do you think hacker news is a better venue in that respect?

Even on this very board, that same exact seemingly harmless claim, given and elaborated on in a talk about men and women given by a professor of psychology at FSU, was downvoted and bashed in a TL;DR manner:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11844777

It fared better a year ago, but not by much:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8909954

EDIT: curious, why the downvotes?
Yes, both sides do it. That does not justify or excuse it, especially if your goal is to encourage discussion.
Who seriously jumps from business into asking, in rapid succession, a persons age, relationship status and details about sexual orientation? These are personal questions: they don't correlate to success in any meaningful way and frankly, are none of anyone else's concern.
About 1 in 3 persons develop cancer in their lives. I don't know where you get the 0.000001 from.
> the author said women are less suited to being good engineers... Where was that stated?

DAMORE: "I'm simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership."

EDIT: also https://youtu.be/TN1vEfqHGro?t=30m13s
Another option: Nationalize pharmaceutical research/production.
How do we objectively decide if something is derogatory then?
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> When your hiring demographics do not roughly match graduation demographics you are not being honest.

Or maybe the graduation demographics are biased and Google is just trying to correct them?
My main criticism of the memo has been the external discussion it provoked. Like anyone who's been following the story I obviously have my own feelings on it. But, what seems to be missing is the social context to judge if he was out of line in how he delivered his memo or simply because he delivered it at all.

I don't know how often memos of this nature circulate around google and that's important context because a lot of the discussion really seems to boil down to "How do we feel that this guy got fired". Do other employees send out memos that also contemplate diversity in tech/google with similar length and calls to action? If so, do those employees send out their messages via the same channels that this employee sent out his memo? Without understanding more about the social context the employee was operating in a lot of necessary context is missing imo.
I believe this is basically Kaiser Permanente and it exists. The main thing missing is the income-based payments.
I guess you have to spend your weekends writing code to be a real software engineer? Especially if you're female?

This made no sense to me.
Your comments have been crossing into incivility and flamewar. Would you please make a u-turn and fix that? These threads are divisive enough without careless commenting.
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The Hololens uses an IR projection and camera in addition to 4 "environmental cameras", which is why it doesn't work well in very low or very bright lighting. It also uses the inertial sensors to help correct the map.

There are some things about SLAM that are best done optically.
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> in all cases, the party that gets rejected due to these policies is explicitly the party that statistically has the most opportunity in the ecosystem at large.

You are possibly discriminating people unfairly. The evidence on causes of the representation gap is not conclusive - i.e. we don't know beyond reasonable doubt it's nothing but white male privilege. Difference in interests - be it due to nature or nurture - seem to exist and could at least partially explain the gap.

I'm opposed to all discrimination - and as long as you can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that the enacted discrimination only counters privilege and nothing more you don't have a leg to stand on if your overall position is equality.

> But I'm not going to join anyone's pity party over it either

You dismiss a group speaking up against discrimination as whiners even though the evidence that would allow you to do so is inconclusive. This seems like an unreasonable position to take.
SVG can do that?
How is Google correcting biased graduation demographics via hiring practices?
Wow interesting. Anybody have their S-1 filing? Interested to see how their hosted/managed offering Atlas[1] is doing vs support contracts.

[1] https://www.mongodb.com/cloud/atlas
OTHT, testing without reason will give you a lot of false positives that then have to be dealt with. It's a difficult thing to balance.
> I would be very happy to supply more examples if you ask for it.

I'd love an answer to a different question: why do so many tech reporters etc think he's some kind of f'ing genius? Beyond the usual success-worship that is. For instance all of his presidential posturing, I was surprised how little ridicule there was, instead it was "well sure he's a tech genius, but can he really do politics"? I have seen zero evidence of tech brilliance, just ruthless eyeball gathering and ad shilling.
I'm sorry to hear that; if you let them in there with their gadgets; they will find a reason to cut, medicate and radiate; that's unfortunately just the way things are. These are not the only options, not even the best options, for patients. Get a second opinion, and a third; preferably from outside of Big Pharma. You might have to make some tough lifestyle choices; like seriously cutting down on meat, alcohol, sugar and stress; but your body has an unlimited potential to heal itself when given the chance. Be well and don't panic; remember, mind over matter; how you feel will affect the outcome more than anything they could come up with.
So Sinclair gets the favors of "deregulation"? What about Sinclair's competitors? I bet they get some, but not what Sinclair gets.

This isn't pro-industry, it's pro-crony, or maybe more traditionally, mercantilism. When there's only one or two service providers in a market, there's no free market any more.

Humbug! "Free market for thee, but not for me!" would be a better title for this article.
I have never heard of a confidential IPO, how does this differ from any other IPO that is in the news?
Exactly, you can't even mention this online without getting flamed either. Look at the compounds banned overseas and not in the US. Look at agricultural practices. Look what is in our meat.

Someone comes alongs and says "show me a study!!" No, we don't have studies for every single possibility.
those were not webrings. those were "just" link exchanges.
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No, a straw man is something that looks like the other person's position, but isn't, and is easier to defeat in an argument.

Can you pull out of the text something that is not the author's actual position? Of course you can. It happens all the time.
It's just an earlier announcement. The banks involved leak it almost every time.
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These early social influences are a very significant part of the whole diversity/discrimination story and of what the diversity policies are trying to solve. The best ways to improve diversity and fix gender biases are still ‘debatable’. But speaking about the ‘memo’, this particular document is incorrect to the level it doesn’t deserve the debate. Despite the author claimed he created it “all in the name of open discussion”, he mainly created a hostile environment for his coworkers, which is unacceptable (and the fact he didn’t even understand that doesn’t excuse him). I agree with this comment on the ‘memo’ story, which is by far the most sane one: https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-man...
Men are underrepresented in certain professions for sure (and it is a part of the diversity problem), but the current discussion is about underrepresentation in tech, and white men are definitely not the main subject to it (so I don't see any double standards here).
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It's not public for the time being as per the article.
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Softbank has its fingers in all the major ride hailing, on demand companies (Ola, Didi, Grab etc) and getting a hold in Lyft or Uber helps them slowly grow more command on the whole market. That's the only play by Softbank that may make sense
>(putting aside the fact that white christian terrorists are far more likely to be your cause of death in the USA).

This is not true. Even ignoring the 3,000 people killed in the twin towers, the Orlando Pulse nightclub shooting alone killed more people than all right-wing attacks since 9/11/2001 combined. And that includes non-Christian attackers. And such things as neo-Nazis killing pedophiles in prison.
You have to remember that this was a rough memo that he never meant to spread as widely as it has been. More like "here's some ideas I've been kicking around and some evidence for them, someone want to take a look and see what I'm missing or mistaken about?"

This was originally just posted to the Google Skeptics group, with the implication that it would be (fairly) contested and debated.

People keep presenting it as a "manifesto" but that's a term that Gizmodo used, not him. I really would like to have seen what would have come from it being fairly critiqued by his peers and edited until it was presentable to the public (if that's even possible).
The KCLS has a lot of books though and it is super easy to get them transported to the library for pickup. Also the eBook selection is immense.
In terms of these I find that (ii), (iii), and (iv) do seem to fit the term "non-cognitive" in that they're things we build up with experience and practice but don't really think about consciously. But social maturity surprises me, perhaps it's a technical term that means something different than I think, because at least for me maturing took quite a bit of thought. The "overall" score seems kind of mysteriously thrown in.
This seems so predatory. Instead of proselytizing, why not just hold off and try to understand what this person is going through? Practicing your own human empathy on human terms is far more important than whatever list of teachings you might find out there.
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Google having diversity hiring policy was what made "diversity hire" impressions among employees.

Damore talking about it did not cause "diversity hire" impressions.

Google shot the messenger in this case.
They can be, but the restriction isn't useful, because the Javascript same-origin policy doesn't reliably defend the boundary.
Hey i hear the Steve Jobs fruit diet is fantastic. So is taking medical advice from hacker news.
You say lie. I say "be uninformed".
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It's interesting if you consider we have 2 eyes [cameras] and we drive under all conditions, and under bad driving conditions - if you're sane - you slow down or even completely stop and pull over with your 4-ways on. When I've been in very heavy rain downpours on the highway, it feels like I'm only driving because I'm able to follow the flow of lights in front of me as having a bunch of guidance points - autonomous vehicles could likely do a much safer job of this..
Yes, the fault lies with intolerant minds.

If we forget this, then intolerant minds will have awesome veto powers over what the rest of us will be allowed to discuss.

Intolerant people are likely to use those veto powers.
That's not the way to do it. The right way to do it is to pick one statement (the weakest one) from his argument and refute that one solidly. Then repeat the process with the next weakest, the second next weakest and so on. You only have to do that about four or five times before you have established that the author is full of shit.

That's the standard method you use for refuting arguments presented in essay form.
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> Going back and reading it now, it's hard to believe such a seemingly harmless claim (women aren't as well represented in tech because they're not as interested in it) has created such outrage

I think the larger problem is that this is an overstatement. Women might not be interested in joining the current tech culture, but that doesn't mean they aren't interested in tech to a larger extent than the current numbers suggest.

Part of the disconnect is that these initiatives are aimed at changing the culture to be more attractive to women, and the people who really like the culture don't see the need.

Certainly the current tech culture is effective and fairly productive, but I certainly don't know that it will be more, equally, or less productive with these culture changes.
If you could point out to us here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism where it says that all so-called or self-described third wave feminists see men as second class citizens that would be super helpful in this debate.
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I'm 60 now, still working as a programmer.
I found that study here: https://sc.lib.miamioh.edu/bitstream/handle/2374.MIA/6026/di...

"Participants were 333 introductory psychology students (193 women) who participated for
partial course credit, and 27 paid participants (14 women) from STEM classes. The majority (86.94%)
were of European American descent. The median age was 19 years, ranging from 18 to 43. "

"For each of the core careers, participants rated how much the career fulfills agentic goals (“power, achievement, and seeking new experiences or excitement”) and
communal goals (“intimacy, affiliation, and altruism”; definitions from Pohlmann, 2001). Participants rated goals according to “how important each of the following kinds of goals is to you personally."

I really found this study not very compelling as jumping from point A to conclusion B. It seems more than they've proved that women from the small subset in this study prefer more "communal goals" and the STEM careers are not perceived that way.

I can say as a women in STEM, I sort of choose tech on a whim. I came to see coding as a tool for many of the creative aspirations I had. If anything, I think some of the STEM career paths are poorly understood and marketed to women. Though I probably would have answered my questions about my career decisions in one way when I started college, it would have been different by the end of it. And after understanding what to expect out of a career, being years into my career, I would answer what's important to me in yet another way. So I really question this study.
>This burden has fallen on women since they were teenagers. To expect them to do it yet again, to have to defend themselves at work this time, is ridiculous.

Why does research regarding this and the burden has to fall on women? If research is solid why does it matter if it was generated by a specific gender.
I doubt it because health, in general, is getting better. And life expectancy for the non-obese and overweight continues to rise.
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No public S1 until up to 15 days before the ipo under the confidential provision.
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From I gather from the websites, it seems these companies move to bigger batteries and stuff like making more reliable power supplies for machinery -- maybe partially-off-the-grid homes as well?

Does that mean they had no luck in minituarizing their tech to make it viable for smartphones, smartwatches, Bluetooth headsets or car audio systems -- generally a small consumer-grade battery?

I very clearly remember at least two separate cases of teenage Indian school students that managed to demonstrate a prototype of a very quick-charging battery that can hold 1000+ mAh, somewhere in the last 5 years. I am absolutely sure I've read such news.

However, last I heard about them, some corporation gave them free scholarship in an elite university... and after that, full radio-silence. Really makes me suspicous, you know. What the hell happens to these people? Don't they still want to revolutionize the world as they claimed they wanted to when they were teenagers?
Why would you want to limit yourself to passive cameras and make your life harder? This is like limiting yourself to flapping bird wings to make airplanes.
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Why is it in their interest to leak the announcement? Wouldn't that discourage other companies from filing through them in the future?
Interesting, but you probably didn't need to write your own filter :). Google's Guava library has the best designed and performing Bloom filter I've ever seen. Lockless concurrency, extremely fast hashing function.
There is some irony there, because a common tactic for derailing complaints of sexism towards women is "maybe you're right but you said it in a way that hurts people's feelings, so we're going to ignore you. Try again next time."

I think the challenge is there is disagreement about who is the aggrieved party. Are women aggrieved because the memo made them feel unwelcome, or is Damore the aggrieved party because he was raising a grievance?
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Those threads were all extremely active and most if not all spent significant time on HN's front page, so I'm not sure what your point is? More generally: these perceptions are strongly in the eye of the beholder. I guarantee you that someone with opposite views to yours sees the opposite bias on HN. This obviously doesn't vary with HN, but it does vary with the perceiver—specifically with the perceiver's beliefs and their intensity. It comes down to sample bias and other cognitive biases. Even the most perfectly even-handedly moderated site (which I'm not saying HN is!) would get all the same perceptions and accusations.
> Share memory by communicating, don't communicate by sharing memory.

I suspect the parent was referring to the fact that Go just has this as a convention, there's no static guarantee that the programmer gets it right and it is undefined behaviour if they don't (fortunately the race detector exists). Interestingly, Rust does provide guarantees about this sort of concurrency patterns, allowing one to get stronger control around sharing using Go/CSP-like channels.
What? The Wired article basically says "the social sciences of gender are still up for grabs/worthless, unlike nuclear physics".
Ah sorry, I mixed up the words... I meant "reassembling". It definitely helps with old cars to tear them down, clean (and repaint!) everything, replace all worn-down parts and then put it together again, without going as deep as re-boring cylinder holes and inserting new pistons - that one definitely requires a skilled expert as well as specialized tools, while all you need for a disassemble-cleanup-reassemble can be done at a hobby garage or in your shed if you have a sufficiently large shed and a well sorted toolbox.
> There is real harm done if women who work at a company don't feel they are welcome there.

Using that logic, should every male feel unwelcomed because of the pro-female activity at google and in corporate america?

Can't damore and every male make the same argument?

Should men feel offended that ycombinator has a "Ask a female engineer" segment but no "Ask a male engineer" segment?
Using the law to enforce a point is always equivalent to the use of physical force. The law simply provides such a vast weapon that the party in the wrong must back down or die.

If you wouldn't be willing to hold a gun to someone's head to make them change their actions, then you shouldn't call the police.
I don't think my original comment was very uncivl. But I edited it to be less confrontational. Please tell me if that is not enough.
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They've made their share of mistakes, but they've stuck it out and have definitely improved their product over the years. I wish them all the best for their IPO. What would be really good to see As a measure of their business health is an indication of how their cloud business is doing with respect to their enterprise sales business. A healthy cloud business would signal less volatility in the face of high revenue garnered from fickle enterprise sales relationships that have been their bread and butter until the past couple years.
People, especially groups used to enjoying privilege, always mistake what “free speech” is. Free Speech is the right to be free from GOVERNMENT suppression of speech, not prevailing attitudes, not private companies and institutions and not public sentiment. Expressing racist, homophobic and sexist ideas in a private company that has employee guidelines that forbade expressing hurtful speech has just consequences.

Privileged people feel they are above repercussion because to admonish them encroaches on their sense of entitlement to privilege.
It is assumed that schools bragging about how tall their students are are not doing so in a vacuum, and that they aren't bragging that their 12th graders are taller than the other school's 9th graders, no?
The leak builds up hype and investor curiosity about the IPO. It's like how visits by politicians to an area are 'leaked' so that the press is there to cover them.
No surprise this has been downvoted. Apparently if you can't get a 50-year study to prove otherwise, we should assume any chemical added to our food is A-OK. Common sense be damned, we have money to make! That's America for you.
After a day of intense coding, I am completely hosed when I get home. I find programming to be very exhausting and demanding.

If I'm just doing easy front-end stuff like css, I don't feel this effect.
I feel like a lot of the statements in this thread are arguing the first.