skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> "When I first circulated the document about a month ago to our diversity groups and individuals at Google, there was no outcry or charge of misogyny."

Kind of meaningless though, could be he only sent it to people who agreed with him or who were men.

"Goolag" shirt is pretty on the nose, I guess true hardship in Silicon Valley is losing your well paid tech job for... another well paid tech job?

It's funny that he refuses to admit any fault in what he said even in a limited way when ideological rigidity and refusing to entertain other people's ideas in good faith is exactly what he's complaining about in others. Doesn't seem like this experience has resulted in him rethinking much of anything. Suppose it's true that whatever you accuse the other side of is exactly what you actually do.
Hey can't be that common sense-less, he worked at google after all. Maybe he had a nice pile of options that were going to take a while to vest unless he was fired. If he truly didn't see this coming, he's a moron.
> I wonder how many items he had to sell before

"The seller had one good review but didn’t appear to be selling anything else." so it looks like maybe just one item
It's utterly ridiculous to compare Google to a "gulag" and just shows how disconnected from reality this guy is. You might enjoy this short piece https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/10/16127968/fired-google-eng...
I don't work there nor do I know anybody that works there personally, but I can think of at least 1 Googler who has ignited firestorms over "fringe" beliefs on personal social media before. She's still at the company.

As much as I disagree with his viewpoint I seriously doubt this would have been terribly big deal if he had approached the issue with more tact, at minimum.
Hey Admiral, and websites using this anti ad blocking technology,

I don't want to circumvent your copyright access control. I really don't.

All that I ask is a way to quickly and easily identify such sites so that I can block them and never ever visit them again. Never ever. Even if the sites and Admiral quit this despicable reprehensible behavior, I won't know it -- ever. Because I simply will never be back again.

Thank you!
This 100 times.

I never buy from third-party sellers in Amazon, but I am having such a hard time explaining to friends and family how to do the same. They keep buying from third-party sellers and keep wondering how it is not "Amazon".

I wish there was an option to set it once and never see third-party seller items again.
When I was a kid we used to take aptitude tests to figure out what we were good at. Isn't aptitude essentially what Mr. Damore was debating?
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> Don't we, in effect, have scenario 2? There are way more men compared to women who study computer science/engineering. Where I studied, only 4% were women.

I'm not sure, especially for a company like Google, I would assume they get plenty of great candidates of either gender such that hiring from either pool would not require reducing their hiring standards.

> I don't think the argument ever was that unqualified candidates got a job. Rather, the reality is that if several candidates are qualified, and one of them happens to be a woman, she must be the one who gets the job offer, if a company wants to aim for a smaller gender gap.

> Is this fair?

If under the status quo male candidates are hired the majority of the time over otherwise qualified female candidates, then the status quo is already unfair towards the female candidates. Working to correct the imbalance may be perceived as "unfair" to the group whose advantage is lost, but that doesn't necessarily mean it actually is.

> What personally irks me, however, is that someone was fired for asking the question. That was decidedly unfair.

Unfortunately his memo went much further than that. I mean, is someone who concludes that Google's hiring programs are "veiled left ideology that can irreparably harm Google" really interested in honest debate? Much of his writing comes across as a highly politicized rant that detracts from the actual topic.
Personally, I am not a fan of Favicons; it feels like yet another form of advertising - which the web has more than enough of.
I agree with this one. Given the advances in 3D printing, distributed applications and IoT this concept is inevitable and there will be a big shift in manufacturing.

Are you working in this field?
By far my biggest gripe with Safari is the behaviour of the URL bar: https://www.reddit.com/r/Safari/comments/2uikrg/any_way_to_d...
In 2016 I made a couple hundred (yes hundred) purchases on Amazon. Of those, more than a dozen failed to ever arrive. All of the ones that failed were from third-party sellers.

Amazon Customer Service is very willing to work with you if you call directly. (I've also had a $1500 item fail to arrive.) I wouldn't trust their email support though.

Long story short: Pick up the phone.
Many third-party sellers are included under Prime though.
Somewhere between 30-40 (rough estimate) percent of the people I know support Damore. Hardly a majority, but also an indicator that these are not the ideas of a lone heretic. I am not as concerned with the fact that Google fired an employee for having an opinion, but more concerned with the fact that they only fire people with opinions that do not match those of the majority. Even if Damore's opinion's were wrong (which, according to several scientists, they are not), it should be ok to pose a theory without subjecting yourself to a potential witch hunt.
He was publicly given job offers from Wikileaks and Gab:

https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/894834730461483008

https://twitter.com/getongab/status/893975352804028417
Rosa's a fool if she thinks a bus will ever let her on now.
I think the intent is for it to be over the top. Poking fun at something with excessive force with a catchy name works really well for branding. Works right in the meme culture.
From my reading it actually left a ton of room for an equally well-measured rebuttal, which I have yet to see.
I hope you get enough social media visibility to get your money back.
Ultrafast wi-fi on horizon – scientists send data at 100x current speeds
That's understandable. The admins don't want the story to dominate the front page so they limit the number of threads.
Could this not have been fixed by prefixing the '--' argument on the command line, and requiring that all ssh implementations must implement that in order to be compatible?

Seriously, why are we still dealing with what amounts to a quoting issue in 2017?
This! They have just committed mail fraud and since they thought they were hidden behind amazon, all it takes is one postal inspector to request the banking details of the payout and now there is a person on the hook. You've already done the legwork. Take this to the proper authorities.
> the item may not even come from the specific seller you're buying from, because of inventory commingling - they put all of the sellers' inventories into one big bin and send you any of them.

Yeah, but in that case you're at least very likely to be getting the item you ordered. I've got the same policy for ordering stuff from Amazon - if it's prime and does from their warehouse I'll trust it. Haven't been burned yet, and the occasional mistake is always cleared up, usually with a 1 month credit to my prime subscription.
>My firing neatly confirms that point. How did Google, the company that hires the smartest people in the world, become so ideologically driven and intolerant of scientific debate and reasoned argument?

This statement leaves me divided. One could soundly argue that Google isn't the place for "scientific debate and reasoned argument" on that topic, and there is such thing as appropriate and inappropriate topics, and correct and incorrect channels to discuss those topics in.

To say that Google is simply "intolerant of scientific debate" misses the point. I'm sure Google has research divisions in which scientific debate occurs. The point is that they're not debating whether women are more predisposed to front-end development or not.

There's a time and a place; I'm not sure what made Mr. Damore think it was either the time or the place for his "scientific debate" (which, I may be wrong, didn't actually invite debate, it was more of a rant) such that now he has sound basis to say that the issue doesn't lie with his choice of words in the document, how he approached the matter, where he published and if it was in good faith or not, and it does lie with Google simply being "intolerant of scientific debate".

I wouldn't stand up in a high school (or any level of schooling) biology classroom, read from a list of even science-based points about gender or race, which genders or races are fit for certain tasks etc. with or without citations, and complain my conservative views are being silenced. Why? Beacuse it's not appropriate for the time and the place.
Personally, I love turbulence. I'm thoroughly disappointed when the pilot announces they'll be changing altitude to avoid it. It's literally the most interesting thing that can happen while flying.
Sadly the title of a page is also a really poor indicator of the content of the tab.
This is very similar to another article that recently hit the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14811054
I really hate how right you are.
Beijing’s AI Strategy: Old-School Central Planning with a Futuristic Twist
From reading the article he just wrote, it appears he intended it only for a smaller group within Google that he worked more closely with. But it got out, and went viral within the company.
He made a splash and he can likely parlay that into a position at something like the American Enterprise Institute or the Heritage Foundation.
Author here.

> "The claims that "all abstractions leak" and that adherence to DRY makes code "hard to follow" is what gives me this impression."

That's a simplistic -- and cherry-picked -- interpretation of my post, I'm afraid. DRY inherently doesn't make code harder to follow, but an explosion of ultra-small functions (sometimes done in the name of DRY) as advocated for by Fowler and Martin and their ilk most certainly makes the code a lot harder to read.

I'm afraid I'm not against abstractions either - I'm only questioning whether the bottom up form of thinking we generally tend to use is the best mental model around and whether it's doing us a disservice.
Yes, that would be common sense. The problem with common sense is that it's not very common.
Read first, comment later!
He called initially and then decided to start emailing so he can add he's own extra details to the emails and have a paper trail.
I encourage folks to start surveilling Google employees in public who take part in civil disobedience for progressive issues, and demand they be fired. Companies exist to get work done, and CA is an at will state.

This won't get fixed ("its okay to fire someone if they don't align with my opinions") until everyone has had their proverbial nose bloodied.

Disclaimer: Progressive myself.
Also, there's something I don't get: how does an undergrad ends up teaching a full blown course at Stanford? Especially considering she doesn't seem to be some kind of super genius, only a probably excellent student. I'm not trying to demotivate her, I actually think it's amazing that he/she is doing this, but how did this happen?
Sigh. That's the most obvious of knee jerk responses and the most naive. I hear stuff like that a ton from people who are chasing that old illusion of authenticity.

16 months on the road through the backwaters of SE Asia and India as well as the expat nests is plenty of time to get the "authentic" experience and mingle with locals. rolling eyes emoji
Middle click works the same way in Chrome
If you tap on the URL bar, it does.

What's the argument for showing it all the time? There's not enough space to show the entirety of even relatively short URLs without scrolling (and scrolling means tapping on it anyway).
Let's hope this doesn't get flagged and buried like the "Google CEO should be fired" link. This is clearly relevant to a large percentage of Hackernews readers and bears discussion. There irony of stories related to this getting flagged and hidden is rich.
LOL, birds of a feather flock together
no, I think this is attention whoring even more so. This is a guy who wrote a document about a subject he was not at all qualified to write.
What media tour? I have yet to see any news organizations interview in him either in person or in print. Honestly, I have yet to even see a news organization publish verbatim excerpts from his memo.
The document seems to have moved in several stages. Distributed first narrowly, before eventually going viral to the entire company, and then spreading outward from there to the tech community as a whole before the media eventually picked up on it. It's hard to gauge what the internal opinion was on the issue without knowing how long it had actually been in circulation widely within Google. It's completely possible that it took management that long to catch wind of it.
It was submitted to an internal mailing list specifically requesting comments on Google's diversity programs
> My words were "scams are hard to detect" and I stand by them.

Amazon had nothing to detect here. The author did all the job and provided all the evidence. What was required by Amazon was to acknowledge the facts.

If the people that are supposed to provide assistance are not paid enough or have too much work to do to pay attention to what is written in an email, Amazon should, well, pay them more and/or don't overwork them.
IOTA, capable of replacing money itself?
Extremist leftist opinions are constantly voiced at google - the same voices which are equating what he did with physical violence and claim to 'no longer feel safe at google'.

I hate to break it to you pal - men and women are different.
Alternative title: why I will probably never get a job in a number of companies by stringing along political controversy.

In all seriousness, he knew the climate; made a prediction about that climate and chose to prove it correct - even string it along after being fired. It is almost a tragic irony that despite his biology background, he failed (or perhaps intended to be fired) to see the evolutionary case for collective altruistic punishment. In a data oriented climate like Google, there are other approaches that could of been taken to address the individualism-collectivism/relational scales by actually conducting and collection data from employees.

The principle prediction boils down to: it is likely that I will be fired for saying these things, here is some conclusions I came across, watch as the community proves me correct.

Based on this approach and his appearance in alt-right videos/blogs, I can only conclude he wanted to instigate chaos rather than have a data driven discourse by conducting surveys and opinions from collegues. As such, it is not unlike calling your friend up and prefacing an insult by saying: you are likely to be hostile from what I am about to say. That's not being fired for group think, that's being fired for instigating chaos.

If he had done alternative approachs, it is likely things may of been better received given that a number of people within and out of the community appear to have some lines of reasoning to agree with. Heck, even Sundar saw merit in discussing some points.
Be wary of Amazon closing your account due to the credit card charge back dispute.

I had Amazon close my account several years ago due to a credit card number change right when I made a purchase. It was hell getting them to re-open my account and take my payment for the product I ordered and received.
My only bad experiences with Amazon has been with 3rd parties. From minor things like misrepresentations of when items will ship (very frequent), to poor packaging (also common), to really crappy quality products. I now buy on Amazon only if it's sold and fulfilled by Amazon.
It would've been a week of impotent whiny tweets, then the outrage machine would've moved on to the next faux issue. What kind of insane world do we live in where leaders are too cowardly to withstand mean internet comments? Now they've got a lawsuit on their hands (which will surely open the floodgates) and an anti-science stigma that will stick with them for years.
Spatial tab organization is already lost any time you open or close a tab.
>high-frequency radiation

Am I the only one concerned with this? I mean it's great that they were able to do this, but I would like some comprehensive studies by various institutions and universities to come to a consensus that this wouldn't have any long-term health side effects.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/416066/how-terahertz-wave...
What I find very dysfunctional is that rarely anything ever happens to the ones doing the shaming.

They are most toxic to an organisation's culture in the long run.

It is a failure of management that people fuelling the outrage cycles via public shaming, virtue signalling and grandstanding feel empowered to exercise mob justice.
Ask HN: When you did your pre-seed or seed, were you asked for a credit check?
When you did your pre-seed or seed, were you asked for a credit check?
> They could've had a spine and supported intelligent discourse. Seems like a leadership problem.

But that's not the job of the people involved, or if you believe it is their job, only tangentially and in a way that might help in the long run.

When you have a major PR problem on your hands and you're a public company, you make it go away before it can adversely affect the stock. That's the the job of the highest executives, and that's what will be delegated to those responsible for fixing it. Would we all be better off with reasoned discourse? Probably. Would Google benefit from being the company to push it? Possibly, but I give that slim odds. The responsible thing to do for your job is to fix the problem that is immediately threatening the company.

Google isn't the martyr you've been looking for.
I've pretty much switched most of my online shopping over to eBay instead of Amazon because of this. Before Amazon opened the floodgates to 3rd party sellers, I had much more confidence that I wasn't going to get scammed there or buy some counterfeit junk. Now it's probably equal likelihood as on eBay. Most of what I buy is cheaper on eBay and almost everything comes with free shipping, so the balance now favors eBay.

For things that I absolutely 100% want to get without the hassle of dealing with fraud, I'm back to the online stores of traditional retail places. :(

If Amazon could clean house of all that trash, I'd probably move my shopping back.
That was a good article, thanks for linking it. It's good to keep in mind that there are biological differences between men and women and we shouldn't ignore those.
If they do it on company time perhaps, otherwise you have no case at all.
I just don't see how Amazon isn't the go to. Anything handled directly by Amazon generally has the most competitive pricing, near guarantee of two day delivery or faster, and far larger selection than any other individual store. I cannot think of any general purpose store off the top of my head I would prioritize over Amazon.

To be clear, there are some specific purchases I would not make over Amazon. Amazon's clothing section is a complete joke, for example. I also like B&H, and use them when buying high end equipment.
Cause (im making this up) he never thought he would no longer work ot Google
Is the app Moments? https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pJcZ58...

From that google cache, Moments is called "彩色气球", which means Colorful Balloons. That Chinese version help page is gone. So we can rely only on google cache :)
When I checked this, as a fun experiment to do with kids (they love "winning" this game, after all), is that yes while I'm technically able to hear 15-16 kHz, there's a very steep drop-off in sensitivity already quite a bit below that. I needed to turn up the volume on a pure sine-wave quite high (which the kids hated immediately) to be able to hear it somewhat clearly.

So if you add in ambient noise (in lower frequencies), that could plausibly drown out a 12 kHz noise very well, for older adults (I'm mid 30s myself).

Interesting side-note: Turns out that the low end drop-off (at about 20-25 Hz or so) is not very age-dependent at all (at least when I tested these "against" a 13-year old's hearing). You need quality headphones for this, most speakers will distort/resonate some higher frequency harmonics, which you can always clearly hear. It was very interesting to hear something that was clearly a very very low frequency tone turn into a sort of rapidly fluttering/beating sensation at the cross-over frequency, you can feel it beating slightly on your eardrums, but it doesn't translate into a "tone-like" sensation any more.

And yes we made sure to not do it for more than a few seconds, to not accidentally cause hearing damage--though with good closed headphones we didn't need to turn it that high, as the effect wasn't so much that the perception of the tone "disappeared", rather change into a different type of sensation.
Kim Jong Un has already won
I hope they're willing to fire LGBTQ workers (or workers who are pro choice, or any other political third rail) when the right rages just as hard, if they're not a martyr and simply a business with no moral compass. If they're not prepared to perform those actions, they're picking sides, and should be prepared for the consequences.
I Fantacise of a world with far far fewer road signs.
He doesn't get what? Do most people attacking him not have that belief?
> it can't depend on every ssh implementation understanding this

Indeed, from a comment[1] above:

> We discussed that, but it wasn't clear that doing so was portable. It works for OpenSSH. It doesn't for PuTTY. We don't know what other implementations people might have as `ssh` on their systems.

[1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14989578
I don't use bookmark bars anymore, but when I did I remember noticing that most things I bookmarked were blue for some reason. Maybe that's the reason I stopped finding it useful.
Your opinions and beliefs aren't just on company time, and that's what this gentleman was fired for; his beliefs after presenting research that accompanied his reasoning.

Gulag indeed!
Enabling Massive Deep Neural Networks with the GraphBLAS[pdf]
A tinfoil hat would go great with that t-shirt.
That wouldn't make any difference here at all. The author already has proof, signed by the postmaster of his post office - that's a very very high bar legally speaking BTW, you'd have to get a judge to sign something to carry more weight - and Amazon is ignoring it.

A blockchain based delivery confirmation system could be ignored just as easily as this...
Also the incredible number of "new seller" listings with suspiciously low prices. And the seller description is * PLEASE EMAIL X Y Z (at) gmail dot com *. Which of course is an address which replies with instructions on how to finish the transaction off Amazon.

You figure they'd have filters for these things.
I have seen this argument a lot, but there is no hard evidence there were not two options. IMHO firing him created worse PR for the company. They could have scolded him and it would have blown over within a month.
> lets be realistic .. unless google breaks the law somehow in its handling of diversity .. anything they do is subjective ad of little impact on its future

Ad-words provides most of Google's revenue. As long at ad-words stays on top the rest of the company can be dedicated to summoning Cthulhu without endangering it's future.
Do you think firing him made the problem go away? It looks like it made things worse.
> But seriously who cares. People get fired daily, many of them get fired unjustly... and you know what we don't write tons and tons of articles about them.

You can't dismiss fair trial for a case just because you know other cases that haven't received fair trials. I'm in the opinion that he was righteously fired, but he deserves to a chance to speak up.