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> then it shouldn't then fire a guy just because he makes an argument other people don't like

He didn't "make an argument other people didn't like". An argument other people might not like could be "guys, I think everything in Google3 sucks and we should rewrite everything in Elixir." This was way beyond that.

I'll refer you to this article, because Yonatan puts it in way better terms than I ever could: https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-man...

> Otherwise you are just ceding the company to cry-bullies

While I was at Alphabet we dealt with plenty of cry-bullies, mostly in the form of conservative-leaning folk who thought they should be allowed to say whatever they pleased because "freedom of speech." Most of these self-styled Constitutional Scholars didn't realize that freedom of speech only applies to the government, not your employer. None got fired, as far as I can tell.

> Google should fire the employees who responded with personal invective against a fellow Googler.

And yet, this guy who is openly telling the world he doesn't trust females to be as interested as he is in the job should be applauded? Not sure I follow.

> He is against discriminating against gender and wants the same hiring and recruiting process regardless of gender.

Which is a completely specious claim to make, considering he most likely doesn't know the distribution of gender and ethnicity in the resumes the company receives and he's most likely not familiar with HR practices outside of interviewing. How can he claim there's an active conspiracy to discriminate candidates, when he doesn't know either of those things?

I don't ever recall seeing a diversity advocate say that the employee distribution should match the world 1 to 1. Diversity efforts have always focused on outreach, not on discarding resumes because the candidate is a white male. So he made up a straw-man, then he proceeded to attack it using cherry-picked science while making generalizations about political affiliations.
Is San Antonio really that much cheaper than Austin? I'd be really surprised if that were true, but I'd love to see the evidence.
I'm in agreement that the Yale incident is egregious.

I think that your argument needs further refinement.

1. The fact you have to dig to find a rare prestigious, yet women-dominated field (veterinary science) demonstrates the lack of equivalence between software engineering or any other men-dominated field. Most high-paying fields are dominated by men in most states. The essence of this controversy is not that there are men being kept out of veterinary science and nursing. It's that women are actively and passively discouraged from entering, staying, and succeeding in the field.

2. I don't think any of the credible stakeholders expects a 50%/50% women to men ratio in software engineering. I think this is a misrepresentation of your opponents.

3. Linking this to freedom of speech and democracy is going to generate "but freedom of speech is just from the government, not from consequences" responses.

4. Claiming this is a trend in Fortune 500 companies is likely to yield from your opponents a considerable amount of examples of liberal workers being terminated from Conservative-style companies for political actions taken on-the-job. Even excluding union agitation, there are many examples from the past ten years.
Regarding the cost of re-launching, that is one of the things they carefully model in software. For brief pauses in the wind it's cheaper to just stay aloft under grid power. These wings are more like a sailplane than a jumbo jet; keeping them in the air probably takes less power than you would think.
I think I do a good job of clarifying this in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14953580

I'll just copy paste the relevant portion here, to save most people a click:

Say a company does one phone-interview, and if passed, moves on to on-sites. But for diverse candidates they do two phone interviews and if either passes they move on to on-sites.

* Unqualified candidates always fail, since neither phone interviews or on-sites have a false-positive rate.

* Qualified non-diverse candidates have a 50% chance of getting the job.

* Qualified diverse candidates have a 75% of getting the job.

At no point do any unqualified candidates receive offers. But at the same time, qualified non-diverse candidates are still rejected at twice the rate as diverse candidates.
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Right but IIRC, they fired her for perf issues, she retaliated with harassment or discrimination.

Here they fired him not for perf (defensible) but for difference in opinion (maybe defensible but icky) not anything bad he did. I think he stands a better chance than Pao's retaliatory suit.
If you have some insider information I'd love to hear it, because this sounds totally implausible:

"I work at the world's most powerful tech company, get paid embarrassing sums of money to do it, and get good reviews from my manager. But I don't feel super smart, so I quit."
As far as I know, there are no plans to fly them over populated areas.
This seriously sucks not only for the company (bringing on someone who is borderline), but it hurts the candidate. Now this female candidate, if she gets the position, is going to be thrust into a hostile and difficult environment where it's difficult to succeed or elevate above a certain level.

I've experienced this as an engineer, where I've been in environments where I was totally over my head. In retrospect I'm grateful for the rejections as much as the postitions I've landed, because they've pushed me to learn and advance my skill set.
Clojure on JVM certainly benefits from Java interop, but ClojureScript compiles to JavaScript, and benefits from JavaScript interop.

For me, I like being able to take EDN and immutable data to the various platforms I need. My portability hurdle is little more than writing alternative functions where Java/JS interop doesn't port.
Except what he said was "some people are just biologically different". Its not a political statement, its a statement a fact. It is indisputable that different people have different hard-wired genetic predispositions. Its incredibly Orwellian and another sign of our societal decay that people not only deny this simple truth, but consider it as so utterly offensive that it cannot be discussed or considered. As much as you would like the universe to be a truly egalitarian place where we are all born with the same skills, abilities, and aptitude - that's not the universe we live in.
What I'm disagreeing with your post is the general "free speech" issue. That's not going to be it. It might be some specific "raising concerns about discrimination" reason, sure. I'm not sure we're really disagreeing -- I'm only disagreeing with the general nature of your previous post. I agree that hypothetically they fired him for some illegal reason -- or that at least such could be argued in court (for all I know).
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I applaud the guy for doing research and putting together an argument. He knew the backlash that would come from it. I think he thought that the people at Google would respond fairly reasonably. Now that he has been fired, people will use that to point out the intolerance of the people in the Echo chamber..thus proving his point.

They should have included him on the diversity and inclusion leadership team. Sad that Google went the route they did.
I'm blow away by the fact that nobody here is calling out the shit setup for testing. E.G. the Intel rigs have 16 gigs of RAM, but the 8370 rig has 8 gigs. Wat? They don't standardize RAM, SSD, or anything across platforms. Shit benchmarks.
Exactly. It's indisputable that there are biological differences between men and women. How those differences are relevant to the disparities in the gender ratio in tech is pure speculation on the author's part. To quote the doc:

"Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things, relative to men (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing)"

That is accompanied with citations. OK, sure, let's take that at face value.

Next, he says:

"These two differences in part explain why women relatively prefer jobs in social or artistic areas. More men may like coding because it requires systemizing and even within SWEs, comparatively more women work on front end, which deals with both people and aesthetics"

No citations, no nothing, just: X may lead to Y because it feels like it's true to me! And there are people actually taking the arguments presenting in this document seriously? Can we please take a step back and try to read critically what is presented in this doc? Because these arguments are just embarrassingly weak.
> Hundreds of years of structuring society and culture to favor men

Utterly ahistorical nonsense.
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Poland is quickly eroding its democracy as well, it's terrifying.
I was thinking that you could have trains that are longer than the length of the platform and have multiple steps to fill it.
Do you know a good text book about inverse kinematics for humanoid robots (such as Aldebaran Nao)?
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> (A recruiter from US made me delete that information when I was applying to us companies)

funny, when I started applying outside of the US, I added that information into my resume.

in the US, there's often an attached (optional) form that allows the applicant to add this information. I'd never really put it together before tonight, but I've always shunned filling out that form. I also shunned saying the pledge of allegiance in grade school.

wondering, for myself, if those behaviors are related.
it is:

>The qBittorrent project aims to provide an open-source software alternative to µTorrent.

though in my experience it is more of a memory hog and buggier than utorrent. but that doesn't stop me from using it
> No one can beat an Arabian in a quick sprint

Quarter Horses are faster than thoroughbreds over short distances (i.e., up to 1/4 mile, hence the name).
I've also got a stutter. Been aware of it since I was 11, and done a couple of weeks in speech therapy around that time where I learned some tricks like slowing down my speech, which has helped a lot over the years, especially as I have a tendency to speak fast.

Growing up, I used to be absolutely terrified of answering the phone, though fortunately, not so much anymore. I've been a remote employee for the past couple of years though, with most of my interaction with co-workers being via phone/email/IM, and there have been some moments when my words have got completely stuck on morning stand-up calls or conference calls, which isn't a pleasant feeling.

Equally terrifying was having to read out loud in class, which used to make me break out in cold sweat, or having to introduce myself to people. Strangely enough, I really enjoy reading to my kids nowadays and don't seem to stutter much when doing so.

I've noticed that it usually comes out more when I'm tired or stressed, and on those days, I try and stick to IM or email as much as possible to try and help with communicating, rather than stumbling my way through phone calls.

Being from the UK, but living in the US for 11 years now, one of the things that has helped is being forced to slow down my speech anyway as some people and co-workers struggle with a strong British accent.

I'm more of a covert stutterer though, instead of overt, and I'd guess that many of my colleagues don't even know the mental gymnastics involved to keep it that way, using things like slow speech and word substitution.

One of the things that does still completely suck is social interactions and coming across as awkward, because I always need to think about what I'm going to say, instead of being able to rapidly speak and respond in free-flowing conversation. I don't think that's something that will ever change.

Not sure if it's genetic as I've got a few family members who also stutter, though one of my worries has been that my kids will inherit this gene from me. Fortunately, my daughter seems to be a little chatterbox, though my son isn't talking yet, so only time will tell.
It's only linearly bigger I suppose.
> In the year 1850...

The first women were admitted to Harvard Business School in 1963 [1], which is a couple of years after Yuri Gagarin first orbited the earth. The first women were admitted as undergraduates to Caltech in 1970 [2], which is a year after the first moon landing.

> As the feminist movement gradually took hold...

"Gradually" seems to be the right word.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Business_School

[2] http://archives.caltech.edu/about/fastfacts.html
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At 13:45 he talks about:

1: streaming a Unity/Unreal game into a surface texture

2: packaging an entire Unity project into an ORBX file

So... am I understanding this right: that ORBX can contain not just a light field, but all the assets and logic for a game, compiled to LuaJIT, which the ORBX player (or orbx.js) will then play? And Unity can target this for output?
Good point. We need more research on this.
If anyone is wondering why a two kite design is interesting, here's a paper by a colleage of mine:

https://lirias.kuleuven.be/bitstream/123456789/398835/2/12-8...

The tether is a surprisingly large component of the system's drag. With the two kite design, most of the tether is stationary.
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It was even worse. I'm pretty sure the headline yesterday was that he called women "biologically unfit for tech".
> depending partially on biological predisposition to certain interests?

This is a very, very, very slippery slope you are treading there. Again, going back to my point: who defines where that partiality starts and ends?

> there is ample evidence that most of the disparity in tech in hiring is due to cultural/social factors and focusing on biological aspects is mostly a waste of time.

And this is why bringing back the argument of testosterone is ridiculous. How can we know how many women are going to be interested in the field, when only recently we've realized that "jeez, they might be interested in something else than an oven and what cleaning liquid to use"?
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I am pretty sure the author didn't call it a manifesto. The label was retroactively applied by those covering the story. It's a great, real-time example of language being subtly manipulated to shape public opinion.
Can you give an example (business -> success in software) without outside capital investment? Most of the time the sequence is software -> success -> business, and the event chain is exceedingly rare.
For example the whole group around beyondspacetime.net does that.
We don't make software for free, we make it for freedom
Hm, just realized Batman is not a cop
It's interesting to step into the fray and almost immediately find that my HN points are evaporating over fairly benign comments.
I'd be very curious to know on what you base your judgment. Here is a search on Airbnb for Summerlin Las Vegas 4BR/3Baths and I'd say $200-$250/night looks reasonable (apparently average is $429) https://www.airbnb.com/s/summerlin-las-vegas/homes?allow_ove...
How much in common do extremophiles have with even simple garden variety microbes? Do they share any proteins?
It doesn't really help to say, "I'm in favor of diversity" any more than it helps to say "I'm not a racist but".
> not sure how you got the idea that it was for discriminating against women.

Not sure where the author got the idea that Google is discriminating against men, either. As I said elsewhere: unless he has solid proof that the distribution of resumes Google gets and the number of people hired diverge significantly, and that the divergence is only explained through some form of discrimination, he's talking out of his ass.
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I want this too, I've seen a number of these implementations, just too lazy to create a list
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I kind of assumed they had to fire him based on the fact that there is a current federal gender discrimination lawsuit against Google in which Google claims to not discriminate on gender and Google claims to not be able to produce the data to back up this assertion because it would cost too much to produce.
> By stating that he's OK with discriminating by gender,

Actually, he wrote exactly the opposite.
Yes, there's more to a treatment than the API (Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient) which is used to prove bioequivalence. The excipients aren't typically considered relevant, especially when they're on the GRAS list.

One of my former colleagues once made a "drug" where the excipient actually was therapeutically valuable while the listed API was barely better than placebo. Luckily we didn't submit it for approval.
I'm sorry LA Times, but is this a joke? I mean, have we not ever heard of coups d'Etats?

In any event, people have been telling the pro socialists (the Berkeley socialists who wanted to believe, some of whom still likely do) since Chavez took over that it was no longer a democracy --and many leftists were okay, even applauded the Anti-Americanism. Well, there is your bed.

When Chris Anderson (on the left of center) came out with "Capitolio" the left wanted his head for denouncing their pet socialist government and exposing the corruption, violence, and massive incompetence.
Not like the US has played any part in this whatsoever, nothing to do with Venezuela being an oil rich nation and not bowing to the US cronies. What next? News about the US sponsoring the 'Free Venezuelan Army', the moderate rebels?
Has anyone encountered an unsolicited internal memo or manifesto at a company from an employee that didn't end this way? It's really not how you handle situations like this in a company setting regardless of intention.
If this was in Norway the company would go out and say that this is not their stand, and people would try to explain the person why his views is so wrong and hurting in many ways. Fire the person because of something like this would be illegal, and I think it only grows more people with the same thoughts/ideology.
I have no sympathy to James, but what Google does here I belive is more wrong in the long run.
Where can I read the report, and what is the list of scientists?
This is actually not even legally correct.
There are protected categories of workplace speech.
At this stage, this is a bit like saying: new report finds evidence that God did not create the world in seven days. It's no longer a matter of science, it's a matter of people choosing not to believe in science.
How? If anything it looks like it's becoming populist which is the opposite of not democracy.

That's not to delegitimize your position which is that it does not reflect your vision of what a democracy should look like.
Sure, the second paragraph of this is a good example:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14953024
Your comment is well-written, I appreciate it.

Several states in the Midwest (Indiana, for example) are actually undergoing a manufacturing boom. Google may have just shot itself in the foot here by making it clear that Midwestern political views are not welcome. I would wager that a sizable chunk of Google's technical workforce hail from the Midwest.
> Bias is real. The exact same resume is, on average, considered more qualified if there's a typically male name at the top versus a female name. Did you ever wonder how many of your male colleagues unfairly benefitted from that sort of thing?

At least one recent study found the exact opposite: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-tria...

> The trial found assigning a male name to a candidate made them 3.2 per cent less likely to get a job interview. Adding a woman's name to a CV made the candidate 2.9 per cent more likely to get a foot in the door.
I don't think you actually read this doc. Quote:

"Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things, relative to men (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing)"

That is accompanied with citations. OK, sure, let's take that at face value. No dispute here.

Next, he says:

"These two differences in part explain why women relatively prefer jobs in social or artistic areas. More men may like coding because it requires systemizing and even within SWEs, comparatively more women work on front end, which deals with both people and aesthetics"

No studies, no evidence, no nothing for this claim. X may lead to Y, because... the author feels in his gut that it may be true? This is not science. This is an unsupported assertion. The rest of the doc is littered with these claims, which I could happily go point by point through.

He may have gotten the science about biological differences between men and women correctly, but the conclusions that he drew using that science is totally unsubstantiated. And frankly, it is extremely deceptive to defend him by saying that "he cited studies" without examining how he linked those studies to his own pure speculation.
Nice, I like this a lot. I'm curious: How did you get the event data? It's really accurate a clean for San Francisco (Dreamforce, Fleet Week, etc.)
The reaction from the new director who started in June sets a tone, the firing sets a tone and the managers who are using their power to blacklist employees sets a tone. These events are changing the culture and image of what it means to work at google.
At this point, mass panic might be more effective than mass ignorance.
You absolutely have, because in the real world "correct" isn't a cleanly defined objective target. Humans decide if your code was well-written enough or you used an appropriate data structure, and humans can be pretty solidly relied upon to blunder into all manners of cognitive shortcuts and biases.
This was way beyond that.

I read Zunger's article. Getting offended is in large part a choice. I apply the golden rule. If an Asian guy wrote a similar article for arguing why Asian people are over-represented at Google compared to white people, I would not take offense. Maybe he would be wrong, but if he wrote in the tone of the original article I would not call for his firing or say that I couldn't work with him.

mostly in the form of conservative-leaning folk who thought they should be allowed to say whatever they pleased because "freedom of speech."

A cry bully is someone who tries to get other people fired or de-platformed because they claim personal offense. Did these conservatives call for people to get fired? Did they succeed? If not, then good, I'm gladd their cry-bullying attempts were ignored.

And yet, this guy who is openly telling the world he doesn't trust females to be as interested as he is in the job should be applauded?

There is a enormous difference between noticing on average differences and direct personally targeted invective against a specific employee.

not on discarding resumes because the candidate is a white male

You are making up the straw man because that is not what he claims they are doing.
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> Indeed, if we're operating on feelings and perception alone... If additional evidence was to be unearthed that this person is actually a raging bigot

I'm sorry, but trying to bring up physical make up as an explanation of why women may or may not be interested in a subject that was denied to them until very recently is ill-informed at best. It'd be like concluding that "gay people aren't interested in getting married, based on the last 200 years of history until 2015."

> Indeed, if we're operating on feelings and perception alone, then firing this individual probably makes a lot of sense from a PR standpoint.

It's not PR, it's HR and legal. Nobody is trying to hang him in a public plaza, but there's a pretty solid argument about him being a future liability.