skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Thx for the response, wondering what UHG's potential motivations may be. I used to work in the medical billing industry, and UHG had a very poor reputation (among major insurers) with the two healthcare management consultants I worked closely with.
(edit: UHC-->UHG)
I think this is like medicine, you can cure the illness or treat the symptoms. Diversity programs treat the symptoms, tolerance programs might solve the problem. I don't see how hiring women and putting in a toxic corporate culture will help. It will mostly scare the women and potentially new hires. We need different things, and firing a person who raises this topic is not helping.

I don't think the big companies got big hiring similar people as the founders. But getting diverse roles. Although once they got big,the middle management night so what you say.
I was pleasantly surprised when the government of BC actually did remove a toll for the Coquihalla Highway after 22 years. Apparently it cost $848 million to build, and it took that long to collect $845 million in tolls.
I'm not sure how it's implemented in Ferret but Clojure's data structures are implemented as trees so there's structural sharing that happens when a vector or hash map is updated or when a new version is produced.

So the whole data structure isn't copied but only the relevant parts are added / updated in the tree and the rest is shared with the "new" data structure.

Mutable data structures are still more memory effective but I'm assuming its fine since the author has a blog post on using ferret on an Arduino Uno which has 32k of ram.
https://nakkaya.com/2017/02/15/bare-metal-lisp-rc-control-us...

Clojure data Sturucture links:
Persistent Vectors
http://hypirion.com/musings/understanding-persistent-vector-...

Video with Rick hick on them
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Its one thing to mute some one, its a totally another thing to get that person to have a change of heart.

Events like firing people for holding a belief, only reinforces their belief further that they are being marginalized for merely holding an idea in their head. Of course they will now keep quiet until somebody comes along and generates way more groundswell support for their belief.
I disagree.

Freedom of speech, as in the legal right protected by the First Amendment in the United States, is indeed only against the government.

But free discourse, as an ideal and virtue for the citizens of a republic, is a much broader concept. The citizens of a democratic republic should be open to hearing new ideas and engaging in reasoned debate with each other.
Why do people/companies go to two extremes over this?

I can see what the Google engineer wanted to point out. He's simply saying that companies get aggressive in trying to improve diversity at the expense of merit.

Does that mean there are no competent employees of non-white-male backgrounds?

If Google really thought that they disagree with this employee, just prove it. Why such a furor?
I don't think this guy should've been terminated.

He wrote an inflammatory memo asserting that biological differences between men and women is a major factor in their performance at tech jobs. I don't believe the crux of his argument is scientific. He didn't provide much evidence but he did raise some valid points throughout his memo.

He just made a bunch of wrong assertions. The appropriate response should've been a statement saying the company does not agree with this one guy. Google should've ended it there but perhaps it became a PR headache.

This outrage on the net and people posting on Twitter that they declined job offers from Google is overmuch.
Wishful thinking unfortunately :/ Hence the exodus.
Well of course that would be ridiculous! Beards are a decision with social and professional impact for some. Just curious to what others think when making that decision!
Not at all. There's a lawsuit against Google: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/07/google-pa...

Government's problem in this case is the same kind of problem that government had in the US v. IBM: IBM buried government in the paperwork and government did not know where to look at to dig itself out.

Here comes the author who seems to have a very good idea of the remediation programs that Google has. The odds are extremely high the people in charge of the remediation programs/diversity programs/etc are the ones who are familiar with the issues that Google has: it is fairly logical. The author probably knows who these people are. He probably talked to them. Probably those people told him whatever he used as the basis for his manifesto. If he drags those people out into the spotlight, the government would suddenly have a beacon for their case.

That's why I, personally, think Google made a gigantic mistake firing the guy.
You did yourself a disservice by stopping after the first paragraph.

If you would have recognized his opening paragraph as hyperbole, you would have gone on to read a comprehensive opinion from a former Google HR employee on the ramifications of publishing such a memo. He makes very good points that are worth consideration, or at least reading for the detailed insight into why Google's hand was played and forced to fire him.
They would, "Software is an IQ business." - Bill Gates

The fact that google is well known for seeking out the most intelligence and talented, and the fact that Asians and Jews are highly "over-represented" among googlers if one were to extrapolate a random population sample as being the only SJW approved workforce, the fact that these two groups are so over-represented implies that... Jews and Asians tend towards smarter rather than dumber, which anyone paying attention has kind of noticed.
Can you really say 'the establishment' is somehow masterminding anything, when the President of the USA will likely go on twitter to shame Google for what they've done?
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> biological differences that make them inferior candidates for technical and leadership positions

I didn't see that in the "manifesto" at all. The assertions that "biological differences exist" and that they contribute to the under-representation of women in tech don't at all imply the conclusion that the under-representation is due to biologically-caused inferiority.

There's good evidence, summarized in this blog post, that on the average across society, equally gifted and capable girls tend to choose non-STEM careers more than their male counterparts simply because of differences in preference, combined with the fact that a wider array of career options is open to them due to their higher verbal skills (this was featured on HN a couple of weeks ago): https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/rabble-rouser/201707/wh...

Furthermore, it seems that unlike men, women who are capable in math also tend to be capable in both math and verbal skills (whereas on the average, men have less capability in verbal skills), thus giving women more career options. Unlike men (on the average, again), women that do choose STEM careers tend to excel at all levels, including management.

> pseudo scientific trash

See the above article. It references highly cited studies that seem
to clearly indicate innate differences in preference (in even 2-day-old infants and primates).
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Yes, Google has the resources to do that, and so can other big companies. But you'd have to pay top 5% female engineer more than top 5% male engineer because there's a lot fewer of them to go around. Simple supply and demand.

Do you then raise the male salary? That will only contribute to larger male candidate pool.
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Do you agree that the probability of an event depends on your knowledge? For example, what is the probability that the bottom card of a shuffled deck is an ace? Peek at the top card, it's an ace of spades, now what is the probability?

Would you agree that something is determined iff its probability is zero or one? I'm guessing the disagreement is here - what definition would you use?
Answer: All the employees should be forced to use nano or fired.
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> No, they don't, or Oracle wouldn't have spent money making it.

Tiny nitpick but though Oracle now owns and develops ZFS, Sun Microsystems was the company that initially designed and implemented it. They worked on it for 5 years after they released it, before Oracle acquired them.
> Honestly, Google might have even been rational to fire him, due to the toxic situation created by the mass outrage. How incredibly damning of our society.

This is always the case. Even companies who are sane need to respond to the foaming-at-the-mouth lunacy of Twitter and related cesspools. As disgusting as the Brendan Eich thing was, I never really blamed Mozilla. I'm just not sure how tech in particular ended up so strongly under the influence of a relatively small amount of loud, shitty people.
To add to this, the ex-Googler is still able to express his speech, just not under the private platform of Google. This would be a far different and more contentious case if Google fired an employee for their free speech under a personal website and not a company website.
This doesn't look like a tantrum firing. He created too much drama for his own good. As an owner, anyone would find that distracting and unnecessary. This certainly doesn't advance the company's interest in any way.

Now whether he is able to successfully sue google and make big bucks is difficult to predict at this point. But it's certain that his career is finished for the foreseeable future.

It is a profoundly stupid thing to do for anyone who likes their job as an engineer. Maybe this guy doesn't and wants to start a new career in blogging or some similar shit. In that case, this may be a great new start for him.
Gawker article has a line saying something like "some charts and links were omitted"

Without the links it looks like a bunch of totally unsubstantiated arguments. With the links, parts of it are better substantiated.
I think what bothers me most is this person owns a computer related business. He is actively endangering people's data out of willful ignorance.
It's highly unethical.
Why do you say that quantum randomness is a problem in MWI? I thought it was one of the neat things of MWI that it doesn't require randomness. There are no random events: instead you have a branch for each outcome. The only randomness is which branch you find yourself in as an individual.
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Complicit in creating a toxic work environment where women feel their abilities are under constant suspicion and they are not valued as team members.
They don't lower the bar for women.
Aren't these same subsidies available to GM, Ford, GE, and another other solar company? Is the author just upset that one particular company has been better able to build products customers desire in these markets?

I don't see anyone complaining that GM is getting a subsidy for the Bolt. Or the oil companies' subsidies.
I appreciate where you are coming from. And I agree we should, "strive towards a world in which we stop making exactly those kinds of distinctions and instead judge people on the content of their character and the value they can create." And I honestly believe that diversity and outreach programs are part of that process.

The economic and social structure of the United States is the result of historical processes that were driven by racism and sexism; disparities in wealth and power between these groups continue to exist today due to that legacy.

To take one example, "If average black family wealth continues to grow at the same pace it has over the past three decades, it would take black families 228 years to amass the same amount of wealth white families have today." [0]

While it is a great sentiment that everyone should be treated purely as individuals and it is something to strive for, it completely ignores the economic reality of our country and is an ahistorical approach to public policy or the construction of a hiring pipeline.

We can argue about to what role public companies can or should play to reduce these historical inequities. I think that outreach and education at all levels to increase the number of candidates from underrepresented groups in the tech hiring pipeline is a great step and that reducing these inequities, beyond being ethical, will create a stronger workforce. Others might disagree and have good reasons to disagree. That is a conversation worth having, but it needs to happen in the historical context in which we find ourselves.

Writing a manifesto that claims that the disparity in tech is the result of biological differences that lead women to be inferior at performing in tech and leadership capacities is not the way to start this conversation. In fact this is the exact kind of sentiment that you call out by saying, "I personally find it inflammatory to equate the concept of diversity with differences in sex and race in the first place."

[0] http://www.ips-dc.org/report-ever-growing-gap/
"worse before better"... It's all a matter of perspective. For anyone who's been the "minority", things have always been 'worse'. Things can only get better.

If you can truly embrace that perspective, you'll discover a profound truth.

The transition might cause some discomfort for those who've been on the privileged side of things for a while.
It seems to work when it starts as a benevolent dictator taking care of employees. I like examples with razor-thin margins since they show the rest could probably pull it off:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2013/07/24/the-wal...

It's more a right mix between worker's ideas and worker-approved management, though, instead of purely worker-directed. Same happened with Ricardo Semler's company that was even more radical.
There probably has never been a President as much at odds with the establishment as Trump.
For 99% of the world, these terms are interchangeable. How does this argument relate to the article?
Actually it does replace backups with replication and/or cloning.
> However the topic is unemployment, which is designed for those are choose to make more than the minimum income to keep a good income (not as good as before, but perhaps better than minimum).

In EU countries, unemployment is not necessarily linked to the size of the salary you were making before. And actually, unemployment can be very limiting in many countries and a basic income would be preferable. The reason for that is that with unemployment, you immediately lose your benefits if you pick up any work, even if the work is low-paying or it’s not certain you’ll be able to stay with it long. UBI, on the other hand, is intended to be something you always keep regardless of what else you try to do to make some money. When the UBI trial was launched in Finland, several of the people involved (longtime unemployment recipients) said they were keen to start their own business or take on unusual forms of employment because there was no longer a risk in doing so.
There are studies showing that some generics don't perform as well as the brand name. Different formulations of the same drug (e.g. extended release medications, different sized particles in inhalers, etc) can have vastly different effects.
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Still, there are a far too many houses allowed to be built in fire zones.
Can you point me to some resources that describe political discrimination? I've never heard of it as a protected class especially when opinions are expressed at work.
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The asynchronous APIs that have emerged for Rust to date are too convoluted. I have squinted at several examples as this work has evolved and found myself mystified to some extent. With more effort I know I could at least utilize them competently, if not fully grasp the details.

Several widely used languages have invented or adopted straightforward and easily understood mechanisms for asynchronous programming; solutions that do not mystify or involve extraordinary effort. This reality sets an expectation and from what I've seen Rust Futures and Tokio don't deliver a competitive answer.

Also, I believe the protracted development of these APIs is a symptom of a problem. The blog post suggests that Rust is not suited to asynchronous programming ("a language that isn’t really designed for it.") I bet there is some truth to that and that the long struggle these APIs have had is a consequence of this. There may have to be some language level accommodation.

There is some fundamental thing wrong here and the problem needs a rethink. This cannot be the way.
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We wanted to found a collective of programmers and admins in the 90s, because we all felt cheated by companies for money and didn't like company politics. From around 50 people it slimmed down over a year to 3 during discussions and legal work - and the 3 of us then founded a startup because it showed others were not really interested in a collective idea but 9-5 jobs that brought in consistent money.

I don't know what to take away from that. My impression was they would like to work for a collective but not found one perhaps.

I was always amazed by

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation
I see your point, but the fact that he has the degree means he studied biology for many years of his life and contributed his own interesting ideas to the field. I think Harvard is the less important part here, although it is "well-respected" for a reason.
It was a video course. Without divulging too much, I Googled around and found some sites that had massive audiences that were similar to the audience I was targeting with my course. I contacted them and they cut me a deal to distribute my course to their audience. That brought in tens of thousands of students in the first year alone.
I was only talking about a possible statistical difference, which might be that significant. A quick search lead to a paper[1] which says the average is ~110, which is not insignificant.
In my perception the 'left' side states that there is no other factor than bias against women ( or I haven't seen any other argument ). The original document here stated that sexism exist but there might be other factors too, and apparently that was a problem.
[1] http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/cde/cdewp/98-07.pdf
Switching to using Erlang full time, closures and functional aspects (returning a function from a function) and recursion was a lot harder for me to grasp than the isolated processes and message passing.

It took a few months to get my head around it, but once you do, it becomes so obviously simple and easy that you start thinking in it directly. All of the sudden having to write "for(i=0;....)" seems eeky and cumbersome when going back to a language which doesn't handle recursion as well (where it will blow the stack for example).
It seems like I could get more for my rental on bbro, if it was 100% occupied. It would be helpful to know occupancy stats and average length of stay to estimate turn-around costs.
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So let me get this straight: supposedly women are less predisposed to be interested in X profession, thusly we should discriminate against those that are just so that we can match some magical speculated UNIVERSE_OF_WOMEN * WOMEN_INTEREST_FACTOR number?

Who is going to determine what WOMEN_INTEREST_FACTOR should be? You? Me? A panel of old white men in the Senate? (just like we do with women's reproductive rights?)
A junior employee publishes a memo, it gets leaked, there is a media shitstorm because anything one Google employee does reflects on the entire company. Now all of a sudden the culture is falling apart?

Managers certainly should have influence on who is on their teams but obviously not absolute control.
We have tens of thousands of highly specialised jobs in our modern societies. Maybe men perform better at some, women at others, and gender makes no difference in still others? If you reject even this question as offensive, how would you know if it's true?

It's like dismissing people saying the earth is round as being sacrilegious. If you don't even entertain the question, how would you know whether the earth is flat or round?

(I'm not talking about whether he should expressed this opinion at the office or outside, and whether Google should've fired him, but about political correctness in US society. Which seems out of control to me as an Indian.)
I don't like big companies, I prefer startups. I am happier.

I once left a company because of the internal culture, they were not listening to the people from other countries. I didn't agree with the culture and left telling them the reason. After me more people followed. I have also left other things for similar reasons, even when everybody were telling i was doing a mistake. I just prefer to be somewhere I am happy even if it involves less money or status.
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Maybe, but not everyone here agrees with that statement obviously.
Is it useful to learn how to do system calls and formatted output for the kind of programming work that you do?
Is this a trend? Learning by seeing someone write a program? Because I find it neat.
What? I said interesting question. Not a not interesting question. And which principle? The scenario? Yes, I believe the scenario is flawed. Not sure why you are saying admitted.

To be clearer, white privilege exists. Male privilege exists. That is a power dynamic over women and minorities, enjoyed by men and non-minorities.

To deny those privileges exist increases the privilege. To deny that existing bias exists helps to increase the bias.

To admit those privileges exist decreases the privilege. To admit that existing biases exist helps to decrease the bias.

So, writing a manifesto (that admits white privilege) does not put white people into greater danger beneath those who enjoy the power dynamic over them (no one).

But, writing a manifesto (that denies sexism) does put women into greater danger beneath those who enjoy the power dynamic over them (men).

Is that clearer?
In case anyone cared, here's a fundraiser link for the fired employee:

https://www.wesearchr.com/bounties/james-damore-official-fun...

HN Submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14954463#
Yes, in the specific case of Valproic Acid, a powerful mood stabilizer used for schizophrenia. The generics are different salts, metabolize differently, and different patients typically end up preferring one. If you like one of the two generics, great! If your body best tolerates the name brand... oops.
I think this is a very good step in positive direction that the CEO is addressing the issue in public. Independent of whether I agree or disagree with the decision, I commend the blog.
This is a strawman retort. The principle is far broader than that, it is about respect for the exchange of ideas. When a private company serves a public function, you can absolutely make an argument that an opinionated enforcement of speech restrictions infringes on the right to speak. The line is drawn between the right to speak vs the freedom not to listen. When you make that decision for others, freedom of speech is threatened.
It's two words in a double-triple negative

Well now I just doubt his ability as an engineer, social scientist, and writer of the English language... ;)
And Google is nowhere near going out of business, so what does that tell you?
sorry but Zunger is just full of himself and his text is just inappropriate, violent and an attempt to bully the guy.