skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I know nothing about the "CEO should be fired" link (nor does it sound like something I'd want to read).

But I can wholeheartedly agree that this is one of the deepest, most emotional divides I've seen in an otherwise fairly united community. I think it's been continually swept under the rug for years because companies don't want it associated with their name (remember the whole dongle-joke github thing?), nor should they really.
To check the full extent of CA's reasoning: Is it ok to fire someone who fights for LGBT, black or women's rights, because it doesn't align with a company's opinions?
Amusingly, I've actually been finding myself buying more things on Ebay.
It's remarkable how much of an uproar and distraction one fairly low level employee can cause.

Reminds me of an old Napoleon quote: "whoever is stupid and industrious must be got rid of, for he is too dangerous." This individual conducted cursory research while thinking he was conducting in-depth research.

I fear his "echo chamber" argument will be construed to damage the diversity in tech movement.
You're arguing against his position using hypotheticals which is an unfair comparison.
His presentation and the way he is representing himself appears to have hit an interesting cultural middle ground. He clearly has the alt right supporting him, but he also has scientists and professors from prestigious and relatively liberal colleges publicly supporting the science of his argument. Even commentators on NPR and the Times are supporting him and blaming google.

He does not come across as vengeful, just disappointed, appearing to have just genuinely wanted to have a conversation about what he say as flaw/injustice in the way Google approached hiring.

He is well spoken for the most part and decent looking, that in itself will give this story legs and the media will want to have him on.

Google really made a mistake in their approach to this. I believe that if they had just spoken to him and heard him out in the beginning after he submitted his memo to their diversity department this never would have happened. As another poster said, they could even have just paid him off and have had him sign an NDA to go away.

This is a monumental failure of PR on Googles part.
Maybe AppCanary? https://appcanary.com
Are you sure? Of course, there are many search engines, but Google is an actual verb, people Google as their first reaction to a lot of things, I'll concede they have a lot of competition in other fields, but searching web content and Googling are close to synonyms by now.

Facebook also has competition in social media world, but Snapchat is suffering from Facebook's copycat strategy, Linkedin does not serve the same purpose, Twitter has been going down despite having every media outlet blasting Twitter handles. Facebook has 2B users and they are blocked in China. If that is not market dominance I don't know what that is.
>But days before the rally, the short-term lodging service Airbnb started suspending the accounts of rally attendees who had rented houses in the area. Why? The San Francisco-headquartered company requires customers to “accept people regardless of their race, religion, national origin, ethnicity,” among other things — a deal breaker for white nationalists, who have been banned by other popular companies for similar reasons.

I'm confused. I thought the quoted policy above was for people renting out their houses not to potential air b&b customers?
The key word here is "inexpensive". You're not going to get cheated for a few bucks, the risk/profit ratio just isn't worth it.
Thank you. So, tell me if I'm summarizing correctly. The currently accepted state of things is there's no difference in average IQ between men and women, but there is a known difference in variance which is symmetric. The variance discrepancy may be associated with specific subjects.

So if we assume that the US tech sector hires only above-average people, the difference in variance could lead to some difference in mean IQ, for certain subjects, in theory.

The question of what social factors bias IQ measurements is ongoing, but the top-line summary is that general intelligence is believed by many to have no sex difference.

Is that accurate?

I am cherry picking this one, but it's one of the most directly relevant studies cited here, and I find it interesting:

"Stoet and Geary concluded that sex differences in educational achievement are not reliably linked to gender equality."
Why do people do mail fraud?

While mail fraud crimes often involve the use of the United States Postal Service, or USPS, you can also commit the crime when you use any interstate carrier, such as FedEx, UPS, or other delivery services. Mail fraud is super easy to prove [prints on box, cameras at fedex offices, credit cards used for materials, amazon accounts, logged ips, bank accounts involved, federal authority] and carries ridiculous sentencing: 20 years. THIS is a bad plan for $1500. Most likely this person DID THIS MORE THAN ONCE so they could face like 10 counts - it is 20 years per count. Not to mention people doing the investigation are federal officers - they are on point. With 2nd murder you at least get parole and probably wont do 20 years or charged with multiple counts. mail fraud = bad times.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal...
If an LGBTQ employee publishes a 10-page diatribe about how straights are biologically less suited to working at Google, they'd have been fired too.

He wasn't fired because he was a conservative, and he wasn't fired because of his opinions. He was fired because he made hostile remarks about the majority of his co-workers that legally resulted in a hostile work environment under US law.
Brendan Eich was fired for things he did outside of work. There are plenty of cases of request for retaliation on the professional environment for things done outside of the professional environment (for example, the OpalGate).
... a little more nuanced than that... Pai is pro-consumer, but believes the consumer is best-served by more competition, which he believes needs to be kickstarted. A couple of interviews with him: http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/05/05/526... https://www.recode.net/2017/5/5/15560150/transcript-fcc-chai...
That’s not the favicon that’s being shown there. It is either a b/w mask as defined by the site, or defaulting to the first letter of the site’s name.
You would need a credit card for each. Maybe they purchased fraudulent cards or this is the first of many scams on that account.
Amazon frequently has prices much higher than other places. It depends on the product, of course, but it's definitely not a situation where I can just buy from Amazon and be confident I got a good deal.

There isn't any general-purpose store I prioritize over Amazon, but usually I know which stores sell the things I want. For example, Home Depot often has better deals with less search hassle than Amazon for hardware stuff.
> If I'm wrong about that

You are wrong about that, and he did explain. He is talking about the same thing. That was the purpose of his comment about inline styles. (If it was unclear I can answer any more specific questions you have)

What native frameworks let you do is assign inline styling to mostly leaf nodes, plus some extremely generic overall theming functionality.

This is both possible and fast in CSS. This is not where CSS is complicated.

Comparing apples to apples, they're simple specs.

You're saying "But they cannot hope to be able to optimise as much and as easily as the former approach (in principle that is, I cannot say anything about whether or not they actually do)." -- this is incorrect. Setting inline style on leaf nodes is very fast and not a performance issue especially if you solely rely on inline style. The main reason I can think it would be a perf issue is that in CSS this will have to re-parse (whereas in native you can set these things without string ops), but that is fixable (typed CSSOM is probably going to happen). But aside from that, it's a simple computation followed by setting something on a struct. Not really a problem. You can't really optimize it further, aside from the typed CSSOM thing I mentioned (which has nothing to do with complexity).

CSS gets complicated when it attempts provides more power than these native frameworks, however the associated perf issues crop up when you try to use these features. If you use CSS restricted to the feature set of basic native frameworks, these complexities will not affect you much.

pcwalton made an additional point on top of that that if you want to compare apples to apples here, you get frameworks with that level of power (e.g. React Native) on the other side, which don't have as many optimizations.
[sexism on]

>> she's a physical person and pats or hits me on the arm frequently in jest (I don't reciprocate), and has made a few sexual jokes privately

Is she physical and makes sexual jokes to her other co-workers too or only to you? In the latter case

>> [she] said my remark was "demeaning to say to a woman"

reads like "I want you to recognise me as a woman you dumbass". It's a "women say something and mean the opposit" thing.

[sexism off]

Anyhow, listen to the advice of Jemaclus and don't fuck the company!
> which, I may be wrong, didn't actually invite debate, it was more of a rant

You are wrong. Why do people persist in commenting about a document they appear not to have read?

The memo can be found at https://diversitymemo.com/ .
I'd just like to share, for those who didn't study psychology and don't know of the sex differences (ON AVERAGE) between men and women, it IS a scientifically established phenomenon, even at a few months of age (i.e. pre-culture).

Here's a really fun example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml [requires flash though]

Now I'm not going to say anything about engineering or anything like that. All I believe is that you can't rewrite science to align with your politics. Science has no political leaning.
As the other person said, that's a false equivalency. This memo directly affected the workplace environment by saying one group of people had less aptitude for working there. The examples you give are just groups who are seeking certain rights or equality in society have nothing to do with the workplace.
I don't think he leaked the memo himself, did he? He showed it to coworkers, I don't think he expected viral sharing.
Economic pain leads to racism, xenophobia, and extreme political fanaticism anywhere it's felt. Take any nation and systematically de-industrialize and liquidate its middle class and interior the way the USA has done and you will reliably produce either fascism or totalitarian socialism every single time. It's as close to a deterministic cause and effect as you ever see in history. Which way it goes depends on whether the totalitarian right or the totalitarian left produces the most compelling demagogues.

Given America's leanings I think the right-wing type is more likely in the USA.

When I heard about the Flint water crisis my first thought was "fascism is coming and people are going to die."

The total "why do they not eat cake?" cluelessness of coastal big city dwellers on this issue is much more alarming and infuriating to me than the neo-Nazi wackos and Pepe-slinging trolls. The American interior is collapsing and it's been happening for over a decade. This must be what the USSR was like in the 1980s during the lead up to the fall of the Berlin wall. People in Moscow were probably surprised by the fall of communism but I bet nobody else was.
So the problem is this:

there are parts of his "manifesto" that are actually quite interesting, about the nature of diversity, its key importance for the health of a company. The supplemental implication that diversity should be able to be justified by its own terms, and not held on a pedestal, guarded by armed militia.

the problem is that he half-arsed the bit about biological differences. Firstly he didn't bother to find decent primary sources (I suspect because they didn't backup his initial point.) There are other assertions that are iffy, but they will be utterly forgotten, as they are not as simple as "he said women are Inferior"

The problem for google is this:

o If they fire the author, they create a martyr

o If they keep him on, he would have been de-anonymised

o If they didn't fire him after being found out, they would have been accused of harbouring a malfeasant misogynist.

Basically its your standard loose loose situation for a company.

All of which masks the main point of this whole cerfuffle. what is the nature of diversity

I think Diversity is good. I want people from all walks of life in my company. However I also want Equality of access and treatment.

Hiring someone because they conform to a (non work skill based) target is discriminatory. discrimination is the enemy of diversity, be it positive or negative discrimination.
> What this effectively means is that you need to keep track of two separate computed font size values. There’s one value that is used to actually determine the font size used for the text, and one value that is used whenever the style system needs to know the font-size (e.g. to compute an em unit.)

As someone who actually sets minimum font size, and to a healthy 14px at that... Does anyone know the actual reason behind this? It would probably go a long way to helping layouts not break all the time with my minimum font.
I think that's what a lot of people are most concerned about: not the gender science but the new information about Google's culture.

Google isn't a normal company of normal importance. It runs the dominant search services in the western world on which over a billion people rely on for information. Bing hardly comes close.

Old media hasn't picked up on it yet, but a series of Googlers are giving anonymised interviews. They are making a lot of very disturbing allegations:

Google is manipulating recommended content on YouTube to suppress conservative videos and viewpoints. That the voices pushing to manipulate web search are very loud. That Google Research ran a programme to investigate why people who get very good interview scores do worse in their career than people who get more mixed feedback, discovered it was due to bias in hiring towards Ivy Leaguers and under-represented minorities that caused them to have a lower bar. That YouTube systematically punishes channels that cover right wing politics. Senior management being on the verge of tears after Trump won. Conservatives getting punched. Replies to people like "isn't it nice to be white" or "congratulations on your white penis". People sabotaging each others performance reviews for not being on board with social justice wars.

Google makes a lot of money because people search there and because they have little incentive to go anywhere else. Bing and other well funded search engines aren't dramatically worse than Google, they just aren't better, so they can't build up a userbase. If people stop trusting Google's results, if they start believing they're manipulated and unreliable, suddenly they have an incentive to check out the competition. That would lead to more ad clicks, more money to invest in the search engine, better results, etc.

So that seems like a problem for both Google and its users.

If you aren't allergic to Breitbart you can read the interviews here:

http://www.breitbart.com/tag/rebels-of-google/
The weird thing is that there isn't a document, anywhere, that says it's a "Google value" that all "people are equal in every capacity." Sure, Google is for diversity - as they should - but the only person making a point of bringing in biological variance or equality is Damore.
Ask HN: Why are “Google memo” links being flagged and hidden?
Two major articles were shared on HN today regarding the Google memo: "Google CEO should resign" and "Why I was fired from Google." Both were flagged and hidden within an hour. I understand this is a deeply divisive topic, but it's clearly relevant to a large majority of readers on HN. Are we comfortable being a "close my plug my ears" echo chamber community? Or should we be brave enough to have lengthy discussions about hard issues that give others a chance to hear both sides of an argument. I like the approach we took when the original article was submitted - the thread was locked to new users.
DeepMind StarCraft II Learning Environment
With Firefox you can go one better and install the TabMixPlus extension and get multi-row tabs. I don't know how anyone functions with Chrome or Safari -- any reasonable number of tabs is unusable to me.
Amazon doesn't have close to competitive pricing, even before you factor in cost of Prime and/or slow shipping times from random 3rd party vendors and/or free shipping minimums.

My go-to is now froogle.com (Google's product advert index). It used to be Amazon, but they have way too many issues now.
I remember a conversation where a group of people considered whether we like turbulence or roller coasters. We managed to find represented all four combinations of liking neither, liking one but not the other, or liking both.

I don't like turbulence, but I became more comfortable with it by listening to the "From the Flight Deck" on channel 9 of United's in-flight entertainment (with live ATC audio). Unfortunately, I don't fly United that much anymore and it also appears that this is offered on fewer flights over time. But it was quite comforting to hear the pilot talking to an ARTCC about the turbulence we were experiencing, especially to learn that it was only "light chop" and the captain saw no need to change routes.
I'm sure they optimized for this but going to Target is sort of fun too.
> it surely made more effort than the many internet discussions, which we don't find fault with.

I wouldn't say he made significantly more effort, and people certainly (and correctly IMO) find fault with them.

> Fault as in he regrets it?

I don't think he should regret publishing it, but I also don't think it led to much productive discussion about the issues here. People on both sides just chose to ignore and distort what other people said.

I don't think it's fair to say he made a good faith attempt to engage with the other side's position and fit it into the context of his beliefs. Instead he just presented his ideas and I don't think that does much on its own to advance the discussion. Predictably led to both sides digging in rather than finding some common ground.
> senseless repetition of long-debunked stereotypical nonsense

Could you provide some references for this claim? Because Damore did.
Firefox shines here. Not only does it have the favicons but typing a site in AwesomeBar will prompt to "jump to tab".
The biggest issue in that case is fake merchandise. Fakes can get shipped from the warehouse just as easily as the real thing.
Colleagues selected by Google already made the cut, so that's more predictive than gender?
You know what is not intelligent discourse? Equating what was said in the memo as harassment by citing this:

> They asked 114 undergraduate female students to watch a video and imagine themselves as bystanders to a situation where a man made either a sexist catcall remark (“Hey Kelly, your boobs look great in that shirt!”) at another woman or simply greeted her (“Hey Kelly, what’s up?”).

Maybe you could provide a citation instead for this?

> the senseless repetition of long-debunked stereotypical nonsense.
This thread is about his article in WSJ. He did an interview on Bloomberg and a couple of YouTube channels

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/clareoco...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technolog...
It sounds like we're agreeing? I was also saying, just like you, that the choice is not based on the statistics. The parent one is the one that used the statistic to justify the choice of biking.
Totally unrelated - I noticed you use a mailto: as your contact on your website. Do you find that a mailto: works better than a contact form? I personally find links that open applications on my computer to be overly invasive. Does that funnel actually perform better?
Flagged. To be fair, if we give people too much information about this issue they might form accurate opinions and that'll really dampen cult membership.
There are virtual credit card services around, don't think amazon managed to ban them all
Except he didn't; what you describe is the media misrepresentation of the original memo.
If you are in the EU, you don't have to worry - you are the owner. If Amazon bans you from accessing your Kindle books, they're committing a crime.

In a recent court case https://openjur.de/u/879923.html this exact topic was discussed in the EU. If your account gets banned, you might want to take a lawyer and cite this case - OLG Köln Az 6 U 90/15.
> about whether he was a false positive that slipped through GOOG's hiring filters.

IIRC he mentioned in an interview that he got the highest performance rating and a promotion last cycle.

There is a middle ground to shaming. People can overshame and instances of overshaming have been very toxic. For example, calling for violence or for a coworker to be fired. These instances are never punished.
Then in a pure meritocracy, why would they not succeed? Ergo the memo itself is a straw man.
All of our books are free and most of them are by indie authors that don't publish on Amazon or other platforms. That works great both for our members who want to keep finding new reads and authors looking for an interested readership base to share their work with.

Based on yours and other comments here, it seems it's highly likely we should work on better targeting. Any suggestions on improving in that regard?

Thanks, appreciate the feedback!
Agreed. They also have now unfortunately signaled to that they will make hasty personnel decisions if enough politically-minded individuals complain at once. This encourages people to find new things to be offended by in order to advance their social cause.
There was an op-ed in the New York Times saying Pichai should be fired. The discussion was flagged off the front page.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14990494
I know what you mean. It works well for exhibitions, I think, but not so well for trade shows. I've seen exhibitions on Ray and Charles Eames, Star Wars, Video Games and other stuff up there. I also went to a PC World show there back in the 80s.

I live in an old house with low ceilings and doorways I have to duck through, so the Barbican headroom seems comparatively luxurious.
Thanks for the link, but how cringe-worthy is this Twitter? I find memes to be very discrediting to one's claim and the Goolag bus stop felt like trying to meme out a serious issue.
He doesn't have a monopoly on truth, that sort of presupposes that he was completely right and handled the situation perfectly. Perhaps he'll feel differently when the dust settles as another commenter suggested.
Is Apple even still working on Safari?
> When I say "this account" it means the one I'm directly replying to.

I'm confused too :(
It's probably hard to track the seller. They can use a fake email, illegally obtained credit card to sign up, PO box or just some random address, drop off packages to FedEx drop boxes or just drop ship an item. They may never even touch the packages.
How about using ROT13 encryption for the list and then go after them if they circumvent your content protection scheme.
The same credit card can't be added to multiple accounts? Are you sure?
Is he being lambasted for being held up as a martyr by the anti-diversity crowd, despite his memo plainly stating he values diversity wholeheartedly?

Or is it because he is able to make a cogent argument against blind dogma and fanatical ideology?

The basis of his argument is that, with regards to hiring processes, we should treat people as individuals rather than just another member of a group. Furthermore he squarely targets neo-Marxist social constructivist ideology that divides society into oppressors and oppressed, claiming it is a flawed methodology to base your company's business on.