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>I fail to understand how a memo calling for MORE diversity can get headlined as "anti-diversity memo" on all big media outlets. Do journalists even do independent research anymore or are they just regurgitating whatever reuters send their way without scrutiny?

The author is referring to psychological diversity, in other words, Google should be more receptive to diverse viewpoints. This is both true and not true. Yes, we should listen to others and understand, but that does not mean we should accept and value everyone's viewpoints. To invoke Goodwin's Law, perhaps we should be more sympathetic to the viewpoints of Nazis? How about white supremacists?

There are viewpoints that do harm people within society, and this is one of them. Strip this down, this is the basic "woman's nature" argument that was used for years in the past to keep women barefoot and in the kitchen. The underlying claim that women are bad at tech is ridiculous. As mentioned below, the early programmers and data entry workers were women as it was considered "office work". I'll also throw out names like Grace Hopper and Ada Lovelace. Read a site like Godel's Lost Letter, and Lipton always points out women who have made contributions to the field. I even recall an article about a house wife who researched new fractals. Women have been engaged in science, technology, engineering, and math (and medicine) since the beginning. They were male dominated because people held the viewpoint the author does, which is essentially, "It's not a woman' place". Bullshit, plain and simple. This memo does not call for more diversity. It may cite scientific research (yes, men and women are different physically and psychologically), but it calls for the same status quo that initiatives like the ones the author lambasts are trying to overcome. Are they perfect? No. but they are a step in the right direction. We need to understand these difference and adapt to them not use those differences as a way to exclude.
> Anyone who sends a company wide memo

He didn't.
> So why aren't the management layers of tech companies composed of mostly women?

The article does mention something about stress resistance, which would be an explanation. Of course, the best managers are able to avoid stress altogether by being effective managers.

There's also something I read elsewhere that men are / can be more competitive; both would explain why there's more men at the top, alongside blatant sexism / gender discrimination.
If you live in the US, the act of buying a movie and watching it immediately (without trailers or adverts) is about as simple as you can get. iTunes, Xbox Store, YouTube/Google Play, etc. all offer what are essentially one-click purchases and/or rentals, and the most you get is an interstitial menu defaulted to "play" (with other options for special features and jump to chapter).
I think science is a bit hyperbolic a term for this fiasco. More like mere statistics at best and we know how statistics can work out.

Calling psychology or psychiatry a science is a generous proclamation. None of the above practitioners, including a neuroscientist, neurologist, or a cognitive scientist, can explain completely why someone can look at a shot of whiskey, know it is an expensive whiskey, know how to balance the shot to their lips, then prepare for the burn, and then swallow it while hoping they will get "lucky" tonight but feel lousy tomorrow all at the same time.

We're not there yet when it comes to classifying humanity into "phylums" or categories via science.
> I have this theory than in a couple decades or three most of the developed world will enter a health crisis

you need more than that for a theory of a dystopian future

telling us how much you feel bad for eating too much is not a theory

it's a therapy session
This could have been one sentence long. "He's right! (I have a PhD.)" No content.
Anecdotally, I've noticed more people from the left of the political spectrum being less tolerant of any view that doesn't mirror their own.

Note that I'm not saying all. And, people can be left on some issues, and even then, the degree varies.
I get the feeling software engineers are going to end up net positive in grey matter regardless of their gaming habits just because of the nature of the job.
> this tweet puts it succinctly:

When people have a scientific theory and that theory can be shown to not be good at predicting the world, it is still science. The point is to find a better theory, one which predictions better match observational data.

So what other theories are there? One that the memo mention in that controversial list is that men are pushed (incentivized) to seek higher earning. So lets put out a few predictions here. At average, jobs with higher risk and higher earnings should have more male applicants seeking them. Promotions that results in pay increase should be demanded by men more even if that risk their current job position. When there is a choice between benefits or increase pay, me should be statistically biased towards increased pay.

Is that theory better or worse? depend on the observational data that can either confirm or dispel the predictions. Personally I am more convinced by the second theory than the first, but that is purely based on the data. Make a better theory and provide convincing data and I would instantly change my mind. At that point the second theory should be abandoned with the same speed that I abandoned the first one.
If that's what I did, I didn't mean to. I was primarily addressing your opening paragraph:

> It picks out a small subset of the claims made in the document, discards the context and all the other claims, and then harangues us for having a problem with "science".

I'm claiming that the reason she does this is because it is the number one point cited by many of the detractors, and it prevents us from getting into the more interesting and relevant questions.
You're right. The Right doesn't control massive swaths of the economy and fire and blacklist anyone who disagrees with them on any point of their platform. The Left does.
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Did you mean for me to read that in Professor Farnsworth's voice?

Because I did.
Are you saying my argument - that sharing a 10 page personal essay, or whatever to all your coworkers is toxic - is invalid, because in it, he asks not to be prejudged?

That's ludicrous. You don't do things that make potentially thousands of your coworkers uncomfortable internally just because you want to make a point. Human Resources is a thing for a reason.

Put it on medium and be done with it.
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I would currently go for Wagerr, IOTA, SIA and TenX. For IOTA and TenX, i still need to read the Whitepaper in Detail, but they look very promising.
I have zero faith that a homogeneous group of people (ie. white guys in SV) with the same beliefs and experiences can make AI safe. This is one area that must have a diverse group of people working on it.
Well I can tell you exactly what you misunderstood: The English language. You are making shit up, because at no point in this whole memo did the author use the word "unsuitable" or "suitable" AT ALL. AT NO POINT. Yet, people like you constantly keep quoting him saying "genders or sexes that make one unsuitable for a given task". Go back to school, I am seriously losing tolerance with this stupidity. Enough is enough. Don't make up shit. Show me an exact quote where he says something sexist and explain it. Don't make sweeping lying statements like this.
Spaces as decimal separators are pretty common over the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark#Examples_of_use
People do: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/24/opinion/sunday/men-dont-w...
Good question— their office is at the end of a crumbling backstreet, at least:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4627591,-79.9701442,3a,75y,3...
So don't fire them for their political views, but fire them because they're stupid, which is exhibited by their political views.
The Points Guy is fine in that it'll teach most people the basics. It's not perfect advice, and they (Kelly, and Bankrate) make a killing on it… but it's good enough. For most people, the alternative is using a debit card or redeeming their miles for a new toaster. Following TPG's advice is already a massive improvement.

In the past year, I've flown >100 times, 200k "butt-in-seat" miles, all long-haul in first or business class, spent 150+ nights in luxury hotels. I've flown around the US in private jets. I have millions of points and miles. I don't dare imagine what the retail cost would've been—but I pay a tiny tiny fraction of the price. Travel in that style is a hobby and I go out of my way to fly new airlines (I've tried long-haul first class on almost every reputable airline) and visit new places (40 countries and counting).

Getting really good at this, however, is a ton of work. It's a time-consuming hobby. I have spreadsheets, scripts, crawlers, and private groups to trade info, miles, and favors. I'm constantly on the lookout for new deals and loopholes; and I know the ins-and-outs of airlines' and hotels' policies. I've put in my 10,000h.

The point is that sure; for me, TPG seems like child's play. A lot of the information is a bit inaccurate, and they're not entirely unbiased. But most people don't have the willingness or interest to put in the work required to be really successful at this hobby. For that majority of people, following TPG's advice will let them experience a taste of this lifestyle. It might be enough to take their fiancé on a first class luxury honeymoon to Japan. In my opinion, that's pretty cool…
> This is factually incorrect. Economic growth can come from reducing use of resources.

Yeah, it really isn't. At best you can produce a handful of outliers that support this point. Meanwhile there's the rest of the economy. I'm guessing you won't enjoy a review of the growth of shipping and logistics internationally if you're trying to sell someone on this bit of mythology. Also, piss on your whataboutism, it fails to address any criticisms of the system you're attempting to defend. There are several working examples of socialism in practice around the world right now that are not resulting in soviet-era Yugoslavia. Additionally your implication that alternative economic models can only result in historical failures disregards humanity's ability to innovate. Perhaps this is a failure of imagination on your part?
The people-things orientation has an extremely large effect size for social science. The Su et al. meta-analysis from 2009 found an effect size of 0.86 with N > 500,000 participants. Lippa (N > 200,000) found an effect size of 1.40.

http://sci-hub.cc/10.1111/j.1751-9004.2010.00320.x

If you don't believe the research is solid, please post some convincing counter studies.
I did ctrl-f for "iq" at diversitymemo.com and only came up with a reference to a comparison Damore made about types of scientific evidence the left or right tend to ignore.

The comment in question was not referring to IQ of males or females in any way.

So I am not sure where your accusations regarding IQ come from.
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I think the point is that "manifesto" is a term that is a bit loaded, as it conjures up images of things like the uni-bomber or serial killers, or some kinds of ideological militants, for a lot of people.

Priming your audience with terms like "Anti-diversity screed" and "manifesto" all but guarantee a sizable portion of people will read the document with major prejudice and bias. And that's the kind of thing those of us who value diversity ought to loathe.

We certainly need a whole lot more charity in our conversations on sensitive issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity
No. I am a huge music nerd. It's my life's passion. I need everything. If it is not everything, it's not enough.

In the past, technically savvy music nerds like me had options. LPs and CDs as a distribution format offered true permanence. Vinyl when cared for properly usually outlives the owner. CDs can be ripped and archived with perfect 1:1 accuracy.

These formats don't disappear from my record shelves at the whim of an executive or a change to a silly end user license agreement. They're mine forever, for me to cherish and learn from for as long as I want.

Until the music industry offers this type of solution for the digital music ecosystem, they will not be adequately serving music's most dedicated and passionate patrons.

Bandcamp is the only service that comes close to delivering the proper solution. But they are so uncompromising in their ideals that the 'industry' will not work with them. It's too bad, because they and DistroKid are the only two online music industry services I have ever seen that are genuinely interested in furthering the lives of their users.
Your comparison to "the economy" as some dark being that demands sacrifice has been explored more deeply. It's a good read on why obviously terrible outcomes still happen even though we know it's bad.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/
Yeah, and everyone who knows better is ignoring you. The entire point of all the impotent rage in these threads is about how no one is "willing to engage", therefore no there's isn't a "conversation" for you to insist is being "hurt".

If I followed people around insisting about talking about human sacrifice they would dismiss me, and if I kept following them saying things like "you're just hurting the conversation" it'd be pretty obvious I was either delusional or being manipulative.
This is actually one of the long term plans. Like another comment said it's very difficult to identify who's a citizen and who's not, so people are likely to give up some privacy for getting other benefits. In fact most people outside of the urban areas don't even give a fk about privacy and are merely looking forward to getting food for the next meal. So in India the people's priorities are very different than that in US/EU.
> Those studies are based on high school students...

Appropriately so, when the issue is their preparedness for further education.

> Yes lower-ed degree mills are a huge issue, and need regualating, but that hardly applies to CalState, which is a top tier public school.

The concern is that it appears to be taking a step in the degree-mill direction. Reading the article in full does not assuage that concern:

“Our timeline for implementation is aggressive,” Minor [Cal State’s senior strategist for academic success and inclusive excellence] said, but “we've got more than enough evidence to suggest that our current treatment of students, with the use of developmental education courses, doesn't serve them very well. ... And we have worked with and talked to our faculty... who are ready to roll up their sleeves and do the hard work that we need to do to serve our students better.” [all elisions were made in the Times article, so I am trusting the journalist has not misrepresented Mr. Minor.]

The justification seems to be that this will work because a) other things do not, and b) we want it to work. Anyone who understands how bureaucracies respond to "aggressive" mandates that specify outcomes for unproven methods probably has misgivings.
I'm sure for every article like this one there are solid arguments coming to the opposite conclusion: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/differences-between-men-women...
> I saw people engage with the arguments.

That doesn't invalidate what I said. I said "What disturbs me most about this incident is how many people's first instinct..." I never said that literally every single person's response was like this. Are you trying to argue that there weren't a lot of people doing what I said?
You don't get a new bike every year. You're talking about a 1 time payment for all 65+. After that just give it to everyone who turns 65.
I feel like [1] hints at the reason:

> Finally, the digital effects used in studios to mix music benefit from the higher 24-bit resolution file for microscopic processing duties.

Using 24-bit over 16-bit keeps the door open to any post-processing the user wants to do (e.g. restoration/enhancement). I very much doubt that they consider it necessary, or even useful, for general listening.
They will always have the cream of the crop. It's not comparable to a Cal state.
> To invoke Goodwin's Law, perhaps we should be more sympathetic to the viewpoints of Nazis? How about white supremacists?

There's a movie on Netflix at the moment, a German movie called "Er Ist Wieder Da" ("look who's back") about Hitler returning in modern-day Germany. It's part movie, part documentary - the actor playing Hitler travels around the country and talks to people about politics and the like, and finds there's a lot of people agreeing with some of the standpoints.

The nazis crossed a huge number of lines and had some batshit people at the helm, but I'm sure you could find some points that a lot of people would agree with even in these days. Same with white supremacists, some of which have toned down their racism and become more politically correct.
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> Does that mean the content of one's political beliefs is not essential to their political identity

If your political ideology allows you to think that 'people who disagree with me about policy but agree with me in principle are still bad people and deserve as much righteous indignation as I can muster from others' then no, the virtue of your particular policy positions do not distinguish you in any meaningful way. That attitude is how the Republican party manages to churn out bulllshit platforms year after year
This stuff is going all-medieval, with witch hunts and pseudo-rogues. People are going back to emotionally responding to facts and following who shouts louder. Fixing gender issues is one thing, suppressing facts yo dislike is another.

We wouldn't have a percent of liberties and developments also in the anti-patriarchal quest without science and rationalism.
>The ideas in the books were pretty amazing, unique, and imaginative; but the story and writing itself was quite sub-par.

Yeah, that's the vast, vast majority of sci-fi in a nutshell.
> Pro sports is a bit special, but it might be racist to not let a player try out because of an asian name, quoting that "thanks for your letter, but asian men are on average so short that we don't want to see you".

Well of course it is, but it's inaccurate to suggest that the gender disparity in tech is entirely attributable to companies turning away female applicants on account of their gender. And if the suggestion was for some hypothetical company that was doing that to stop, there would be no objection.

The problem comes when the portion of the gender disparity that isn't attributable to discrimination is attributed to it anyway, and then employers are continually lambasted for something they didn't actually do.

It distracts from addressing the real problems (especially at the high school level) that could actually improve the gender ratio going forward.
> Women on average show a higher interest in people and men in things

> Unfortunately, there may be limits to how people-oriented certain roles and Google can be and we shouldn’t deceive ourselves or students into thinking otherwise (some of our programs to get female students into coding might be doing this).
I'm currently renting a 2017 Corolla from Avis for just over $23/day all taxes and fees included.
Outrage is addictive and social media only makes this easier: commenting is quick and there's always the urgency to jump on a bandwagon before it disappears.

"Outrage of the Day" is appropriate because what else can fill the mundanity of your life? The trouble is they accumulate and you inevitable form judgements, courtesy to the echo chambers (I'd like to see a new word echosystem!) This also makes it harder to introduce new ideas because the 'right' opinions and argument trees are already set.

I don't see social media as good/bad, but my observation of it is making me wonder if I'm turning into a reluctant Luddite.
He wrote the memo poorly but he tried to make it clear that he wasn't talking about individuals.

He was offering a different explanation, based on group averages, of why the industry is unable to reach a 50/50 ratio of male/female engineers. And most of his arguments were based on interests, not abilities.

That's very different from the way it's been mischaracterized as an argument that women are inferior.
This is toxic postmodernist/feminist dogma.

It frames everything through a lens of identity power struggles. Therefore, whether an argument is scientific and factual is secondary to what identity group the person making it belongs to, and what their group stands to gain from it.

This ideological lens is anti-science, anti-cooperation, extremely racist/sexist and ultimately focused on only one objective: reducing the power of the group perceived as being at the top of the social dominance hierarchy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
> A massive popular backlash against a shitty idea isn't "trying to shut it down".

If the backlash is devoid of logic and facts, consisting mainly of character attacks and shaming....ya, that's "shutting it down". And if that's not enough, how about being fired from your job?

It's amazing how differently people perceive the very same facts.
But think of all the sweet conference talks you can give after inventing the latest new shiny woodworking tool!
That math is for fast hashes without salting, agreed. Of course, plenty of sites that lose passwords also make those mistakes...
The absurdity is that life insurance/pension companies assume live expectancy is actually rising.

The company providing my pension fund estimates my life expectancy to 114 years - a fantasy number, albeit one that /increases/ my monthly payment and /decreases/ my expected pension.
Oh dear, she claimed white supremacists liked Donald Trump. That's some serious egg on her face, seeing as he hasn't filled his cabinet and White House with white supremacists and people with Nazi since being elected, which I literally mentioned in the comment you replied to. Serious bungle on her part.
There's already a number of companies that do blind reviews of resumes, or applicants that intentionally hide or change their names - not sure if it makes a big difference, also because there's just less female applicants in general.

Actually, how many female software developers can't get a job nowadays?
By firing him they took ownership.
They had one job: Add type annotations. 99.99% of all issues I have with javascript would be solved with that, but I guess it just wasn't in the stars.
I would dispute that Hillary is a left candidate whatsoever - she is a centrist, hawkish free-market neoliberal.
How can this end well?
I wouldn't call it wrong, but I agree that it's for fast hashes without salts. Since sites still use that (and we can't check what they're using pre-leak) it's still relevant, though.
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Bingo.

I usually find the people that complain the loudest about JS have been burned by their own ignorance.

I'll admit the learning curve for basic JS syntax can be a little high, but reading through and understanding most of Crockford's book will get you 80-90% of the way there. The rest is either ES2015 or framework-specific -- both of which build off of basic JS.

A good software developer learns constantly.
Do you believe these comments defend discrimination against women? I'm trying to understand how one could see it that way. I see both of these statements as unquestionably true, and the sexism accusation as stifling the type of free expression needed for rational dialogue. If facts are sexist, then the definition of sexism being used is wrong.