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Exactly. There's is no field where that statement isn't true.

Take CFCs in the atmosphere, affecting the ozone layer.

DuPont scientists were against the Montreal Protocol, saying things like "We believe there is no imminent crisis that demands unilateral regulation" (quoted from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol ).

So saying simply that there is disagreement is wishy-washy and unimportant.
A strong message about breaking the code of conduct, yes.

The message here seems abundantly clear and I have trouble understanding how it can miscontrued to be anything other than reacting to a clear violation. I can't even think of how to restate what is so clearly laid out in the note.

I wouldn't rule out the potential that there is uneven enforcement of such violations, and that would make this action look questionable. But I don't know enough about Google's internal operations to get to that conclusion.
Not saying Google has to uphold everyone's 1A rights. Not saying dude who wrote the essay is correct either. But it's a lie to say Google's culture supports free speech when the cost of that speech is compliance with the tyranny of a Code of Conduct.
No contradiction, I'm saying there's a scientific way to be non-biased and in the current political environment I wouldn't choose that option. It's a selfish tactic, not an altruistic one to better society.

I would have political uniformity which would prevent Red vs Blue infighting.

#Warning# This isn't an attempt at flamebait, it's something like a hypothesis.

I would also likely be able to hire from a undervalued portion of Silicon Valley, I suspect I'd be able to get talented Eastern European, Asian and white men at discount rates. They wouldn't have to deal with PC from HR and other firms may be less willing to hire them.

It is not unusual for a sector of the economy to have a political slant. Everybody knows health/care is mostly leftist, military/intelligence is mostly rightist. These are slight tilts but the net affect has an enormous sway over sector thinking/dogma. I suspect SV will split along such lines (right companies, left companies).
The procedurally generated game community is huge. The procedurally generated prose community is much smaller.

NaNoGenMo has been going since, like, 2013. Every year, a bunch of us get together in the issues section of a github page and discuss attempts to generate long-form narrative. (We've been able to generate passable poetry for years, but we have yet to figure out a way to get prose that remains engaging, coherent, and human-like for more than about a chapter.) There are a lot of very different techniques being used. (For instance, a couple years ago I wrote a planner that emitted debug output in the form of a first-person hardboiled heist story; somebody else that year produced a really good simulation of bad star trek fanfiction using a mixture of templating and object-oriented state tracking; somebody else made a great comic book by picking random sentences from public domain detective novels and then finding creative commons licensed photos on flickr based on tags taken from key words in those sentences and post-processing them to make them look hand-drawn.)
"Qualified" was the wrong word because it can imply that the qualifications are measurable à priori, which is what I'm assuming is your interpretation.

That's not what the OP is saying though, he's saying "qualified" as seen in demonstrated performance after the hiring. It would've been clearer had he said "better at the job" (as in, leading to a greater total company value) than "qualified".
In spite of what religious leaders (career term bureaucrats who actually don't know any better at all) may tell us, that's hardly the way to find maximum fulfillment in relationships. "Cultural harmony" aside. Lot of quite desperation and Prozac eating. And that's no way to go through life. Maybe being a homeless junkie is slightly worse. Maybe. Ya, man and women are together for sake of kids. Miserable and crazy. Which.. produces bad effects on kids. Probably more than at peace separated parents in fulfilled relationships. Like I say, God isn't talking at all to those old men. Nor are they wise. They are mostly full of bias and baloney.

The idea of arranged marriages is abhorrent, very close to slavery in denying individual worth and choice.

But ideally there should be some flexibility and commitment, particularly if children are involved, yes.

How to find your ideal mate for lots of men? She'll have me!
Here's a list of worker co-ops:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_cooperatives

Self-directed businesses are totally viable - until they need funding. Then any approach to possible investors is likely to be met with "Ha ha ha ha no."

We simply don't have a culture that supports non-hierarchical businesses. There are no role models in the media, hardly anyone has personal experience of a working in a co-op, and most of the population doesn't even know what a worker co-op is.

Wall St and VCs are implacably hostile to any business model that gives workers economic power.

Given those challenges, the fact that successes still exist suggest the idea has unexplored potential.
Could you explain that ?

The UK citizenship authority accepts most major accredited english language certifications and or a university degree as proof of english language proficiency.
The only tests are for lay of the land/law/society, not language proficiency.
You missed the conclusion

- you can say absolutely anything you want, as long as it's not something we say is harmful of course

So much back and forth
In case it hasn't already been posted, this (apparently) is the original memo which includes sources and reads much differently.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...
Before WW1 people also believed that large scale European conflict couldn't happen any more because of the economic entanglement. In hindsight, that notion looks pretty stupid.
Such a simplistic view. Cancer death rates in the UK are 255 per 100,000; in the U.S. they are about 163 per 100,000.

It’s not so black and white that “single payer is better.”

Health care is always going by to be a scarce resource and it follows the laws of economics just like anything else. It isn’t immune to reality just because it’s important.
The majority(>60%) of engineering in big tech companies who are most affected by these diversity initiatives are either foreign born or have parents who are foreign born.
In many regards he is correct about the left vs right, but I think he misses the broader historical context. Allowing blacks to attend the same schools as whites is also a left v right argument. As is adults dating children. We, as a society, have come up on different sides of the ideological spectrum for each.

And while biology may account for some of the gap, it almost seems obvious that it doesn't account for all of it. And this is just looking at gains women have made economically in the past 30 years.

I don't think most reasonable people at google think there are no bio diffs, but rather that we are still far enough from the point where we have exhausted other causes. Simply pointing out thst bio diffs exist, while effectively trying to use that to shut down other approaches of giving equal opportunity is purely a political and not science based position. Unless he has some much stronger science results he has not yet shared.
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That is fkin nice to be honest. There is so few which do this. totally already worth the price. (open source bios/boot procedures etc.). It's a total mess trying to get such a setup on a x86 server machine. i think there is a grand total of 1 server board which support coreboot (?)
Note that he says they are "described as", not that they are actually gender specific. The quotes also make it clear that he is referencing Damore's argument and pointing out an interest issue with it. He is not claiming that position as his own.
This thread seems to be a perfect demonstration of the problems when it comes to diversity in tech. People just don't seem to get it. I see the same thing in threads around big SV names sexually harassing women (and in those cases it blows my mind even more that people don't get that it's a problem).

It seems like a lot of people are basing their opinions on logic (fine) but in a perfect world where everyone has equal opportunity, we live in a meritocracy, and people are judged solely on performance. Unfortunately none of those things are true and we need to manipulate things manually to ensure people are given equal opportunity.
Yes, me too.

I had a fairly sheltered upbringing in the UK, but we did at least do some world geography and the GCSE curriculum in the early 90s required a little bit more social geography, concentrating on the southern parts of West Africa (not that I remember much of it now).

Without any world geography at all, well it seems criminal to set up an education system, that way.
It's also possible for there to be multiple bottlenecks in the pipeline where women and girls are dropping out - including elementary school, college, entry level, and experienced engineers. There seems to be evidence that there's an effect at each of these levels that causes women to switch to other fields.

If so, the existence of a problem at one stage in the pipeline is a poor excuse for failing to address a bottleneck at a later stage. Particularly when the actor in question is mostly involved in the later stages.
My guess is that software became known as a "wild" career around the same time. I think the boom-bust cycles and gold Rush mentality are the main contributors to women leaving the profession.

How do we fix this? I don't think the silicon valley startup will ever appeal to women. Live in a closet for three years for a 10% chance to make a million dollars. Those odds only attract people with an appetite for risk. Mostly, unsurprisingly, young men. The problem with that is that silicon valley represents the field.

To get more women we need to change the image of the profession. I'm of the opinion that females just don't want to do software development and that decision is made really young.

Anecdotal, but I know plenty of guys that tinkered with PC's as young as 10 years old, and zero women that did so. It's seen as a boy thing, like cars.
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I'm a minority where I live and work. I apologize for my language but fuck whoever would hire me based on that over my technical qualifications. A place that would do that is a place where I have no interested in working for.

Please don't presume to speak for all minorities and even worse, dismiss other people's opinions just because they belong to certain groups like you just did.
No. He's all but saying it. Mincing words may give a free pass in your book. Not in mine.
Most Europeans have known living relatives who lived under bombardment or occupation. We may have lived in relative peace since then, but that's largely because the cultural memory of it is still so strong. This is what the precursor of the EU was created to ensure.
Unfortunately, the first time wasn't as crushing as the second time, at least it wasn't perceived as such.
>For example, if you assume the negation of AC then you can prove that there's a collection of nonempty sets whose cartesian product is empty. Equally bizarre!

Intuitively, that's not "obviously" false to me.

Similarly, when I first encountered AC it wasn't obviously true to me.
I also think they interpret it this way in Finland (can anyone more familiar comment?).
Finland has conscription service in their armed forces, where they focus on a defensive war to protect their country.
This might pull them towards the defensive interpretation of 'willing to fight a war'.
How would this compare to a ThreadRipper/EPYC system? Any advantages in favor of Talos?
Federal and California law protect your ability to discuss labor issues in the workplace -- this is CYA.

See: https://www.recode.net/2016/6/2/11845456/nest-google-witchhu...

(The outcome of the above story: the employee was rehired!)
a restrictive intellectual environment is anathema to the kind of intelligent people they want to hire to keep the company competitive

So what? This action might be damaging to Google's bottom line (I doubt it) but that's actually less important that running a company in the way the overwhelming majority of employees want it to be run.

To use an ad absurdum argument - if it could be demonstrated that people who are openly racist write better code I still wouldn't believe Google should hire them.
How do you define done? Software is never done.
A better way to look at things is whether a feature is in good enough shape and whether moving on to working on other things is likely to be more beneficial.
how was a subject denied to anyone?
I would give Zunger a pass, since he states very clearly that he wouldn't have made that statement were he still employed at Google.
> Open source baseband only won't be enough,

Not sufficient, perhaps, but necessary. A 0-day in baseband firmware seems a helluva lot more attractive a target than in a battery controller MCU.
Yes you are missing something
Is it possible that women switch jobs less frequently than men? Or that they're drawn to different types of companies (e.g. established companies that they expect to have real HR departments and harassment policies, rather than startups that may be exciting but they perceive as presenting a higher risk of being a hostile environment)?
Uh... Amendment #1 deals with FoS. Sentences 2 and 3 of your post talk about Government AND Society. The first amendment doesn't give a rat's ass about what society thinks. Its a restriction only on the government.
The fact that these engineers passed the same hiring process, consisting of problem solving, that other employees also were subjected to, and that these workers deliver enough value to pass the fitness evaluations?

If you're suggesting they were subjected to different practices, contrary to what HR at Google is stating, then you better cough up evidence. Do the women and minorities at Google perform worse than White males?
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How is that "mincing words"? He spends several paragraphs arguing those differences are not supported by science (right or wrong), then proceeds to allow them as a base assumption to point out the argument still falls apart, even if you allow the faulty premise.
I am very glad that your and a lot of other people's ancestors didn't think like that or we would probably all live under a fascist regime.

edit: a word
Ageism happens for more or less same reasons. Perceived bias that older people can't work hard enough, or change fast enough with the fast changing time.

Tech is a very fast moving space with a lot of premium attached to entrepreneurship, moving fast enough, failing often etc.

This sort of an environment is very hard for almost everybody to survive through.
what is 10-30MM, like million million i.e. 1e12?
Because 5th generation programming was better, until it too died for reasons I can't explain.
According to Census 2011, 4% of Scheduled Castes (SCs) and Scheduled Tribes (STs) - minorities who benefit this reservation - have a government job [0]. They form 25% of the population [1].

[0] http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/census-c...

[1] http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/scs-sts-form-25--of-po...
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> Japan with 11% is really amazing, and yet it's near real threats with China and North Korea.

And Russia. Japan was the first industrial country to win a war with Russia, so there's some history there as well as with the rest of the Pacific.
There are two scales: intensity and size. The argument is that suppression leads to more intense fires when there are fires, and these are more damaging. Not just to human structures, but also to the forest; eg, high-intensity crown fires instead of just having the scrub catch fire.

The NYT article gives more concrete numbers to the sizes over the last 70 years: "reams of evidence suggest the acreage that burned was more than is allowed to burn today — possibly 20 million or 30 million acres in a typical year. Today, closer to four million or five million acres burn every year."

They are smaller because of fire suppression.

If that fuel isn't being burned now, by regular wildfires, what will happen to it when there finally is a fire.
Or the company could get better at HR, or hire people who are politically aligned with each other. Maybe not an option for Google-scale, but it seems possible for smaller companies.
As you might have noticed the debate did not involve Google employees exclusively. It is of them that he is CEO, though. It would be quite megalomaniac to title it "To all ye of this planet, listen to me!"
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The memo itself was incoherent. Many of its statements made sense for debate, and the author himself pointed out that you can't tell much about any individual from the general data, which I think has not been focused on enough. He seemed to think he was doing everybody a service and that his views were not detrimental to anybody. But the actual choices in how to express the generalities showed really bad judgement and overall apparently ran afoul of the code of conduct. People are definitely putting words in his mouth, but at the same time: An incoherent companywide memo is not the best way to start a debate on a sensitive topic. You might not instantly fire this person if he had chosen a way to express his ideas that didn't burn bridges with half the people who work there, if not more. This was not just "debate", it was maybe 80% debate and 20% attack on the credibility of all women in traditionally male professions. If he did not mean it come across that way, which I believe might be the case, then I feel sorry for him. And maybe he should have the opportunity to edit the memo to better reflect the debate he intended. But that's on him. He chose how to do this and what words to use.
> psuedo-scientific bullshit

A professor of social psychology at Rutgers said:

> The author of the Google essay on issues related to diversity gets nearly all of the science and its implications exactly right.

An evolutionary psychology professor said:

> For what it’s worth, I think that almost all of the Google memo’s empirical claims are scientifically accurate. Moreover, they are stated quite carefully and dispassionately. Its key claims about sex differences are especially well-supported by large volumes of research across species, cultures, and history. I know a little about sex differences research. On the topic of evolution and human sexuality, I’ve taught for 28 years, written 4 books and over 100 academic publications, given 190 talks, reviewed papers for over 50 journals, and mentored 11 Ph.D. students. Whoever the memo’s author is, he has obviously read a fair amount about these topics. Graded fairly, his memo would get at least an A- in any masters’ level psychology course. It is consistent with the scientific state of the art on sex differences. (Blank slate gender feminism is advocacy rather than science: no gender feminist I’ve met has ever been able to give a coherent answer to the question ‘What empirical findings would convince you that psychological sex differences evolved?’)

http://archive.is/z6xxP
> that's not how evidence works

It kind of is. He provided evidence for his claims (not your misrepresentation of them), and you get to provide counter-evidence.

> the argument was that his coworkers were biologically inferior for the job of programming

Could you point out where exactly he said that? I had trouble finding it.

Because from what I gathered, his argument was that, due to biological differences between groups of people, not all groups are on average equally suited and/or interested in all tasks, so expecting equal representation is foolish.

With the full, and, rather short, text of his available, I expect we'll clear up this difference in belief about what he said quickly.
He explicitly says near the start of his article that he disagrees with the views on gender differences that the memo espouces, and that he's not getting into then because others are more qualified to do so.
Misconduct would be expressing these views under his blog while putting emphasis on Google and blaming his company for what he finds unreasonable.

He used internal messaging services. Someone leaked the document. That "someone" is sitting in his/her office today getting no punishment whatsoever.
When calling it a "code of conduct" does it refer to concrete actions, or just expressing opinions? Other than speech, what was the violation here? Restricting free speech by threat of firing is the solution everyone is applauding? Apparently Google is declaring an attitude in opposition to what they did: "many points raised in the memo ... are important topics. The author had a right to express their views on those topics...". But got fired as a result.
Not sure what you are saying. It is the first amendment that grants the right to fire people you don't agree with. So presumably not everyone agrees on what free speech is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_...
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You mean that the current presidential couple only pays $200? And for a long time the first lady stayed in NY... ;)
For anyone in Europe in a normal healthcare plan, US healthcare is just a fucking joke.
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Agreed. Many engineers seem to think if it's true then thry can just say it. To them it makes logical sense -- st least when it suits them.
He cites plenty of science, it's just that Gizmodo conveniently edited out all of his references when they posted the text. Here's the full memo in its entirety: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...
Given that Republicans control the Presidency, The majority in the Congress and Senate the majority of Governorships and state houses its a safe bet not only are they larger but Conservative media is going to get the biggest wins from this. Its going to motivate and reconfirm to all the deplorable that yes, the Leftist Liberal San Francisco millionaires hate them and will fire and destroy the career of conservatives who dare to challenge the Left narrative. Brendan Eich 2.0.
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How can there be a genetic difference between genetically invalid (badly defined as you say) concepts? I.e. the concept of race is completely social, there is nothing genetic about it (a person commenting on HN is well withing education threshold to be expected to know this). Yet you allow that someone who believes there might still be genetic factors "somewhere" in these differences is not a (closet) racist ... because they don't call for mass murder and insist the supposedly slightly inferior group should "not be discriminated" (just calling them genetically dumber is enough)?