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No, you lose the patent rights if you sue Facebook for any patents period.

> The license granted hereunder will terminate, automatically and without notice, if you (or any of your subsidiaries, corporate affiliates or agents) initiate directly or indirectly, or take a direct financial interest in, any Patent Assertion: (i) against Facebook or any of its subsidiaries or corporate affiliates

If you have to agree not to enforce any of your patents, that's pretty much equivalent to giving Facebook the rights to use them.
This is the major drawback of adoption for Zstandard, too.
Sure, Turks could also have rejected Erdogan (they voted for his reforms a couple of months ago). What are you trying to say?

And what was the last time that the UK voted to be a monarchy? Because Turkey voting recently makes it arguably more democratic.
"teams in large organizations"

Could be simplified to just "teams.

These days from what I can see teams in organizations with no ability to devise a sane architecture usually take the microservice route. Management loves this new buzzword. To them it means problems go away.
I'm a software engineer and would love to have an exchange of ideas. the.latoya.banks@gmail.com
Off the top of my head big users of React include:

* Apple (their entire dev docs site is built in it, and they've hosted Bay Area React user meet-ups)

* Twitter (for their mobile web)

* Microsoft (parts of Visual Studio use it)

* Netflix (all over their frontend stack)

...as well as Dropbox, AirBnb, Venmo...

So whilst I don't doubt you've discussed it with concerned counsel, there are huge corporations deploying React today, many of whom have extensive experience dealing with patent and IP issues (Apple, Microsoft, etc).
I'm on the flipside of this, I think my Instagram use is better as a result.

I shared the same friend (mostly) list between Snap and Instagram and with the introduction of stories my Snap use dropped to basically zero. Instagram is a one stop shop for the accumulative feed, stories, and video DMs. No need to switch apps.

That said, I didn't get a ton of direct messages on Snapchat, probably because I'm older and the kind of 1-1 communication I saw teens doing on Snap isn't as common for my age group, however that feature is there in IG.

I might be an outlier, though I don't think I am judging by the numbers.

On a more crass note, from the business perspective, Instagram is in a much better ad position than Snap because it's really easy to buy ad space. Not only that it's going to be easier to develop content for AR filters on Instagram because they have an actual developer pathway for that.

As far as I can tell, Snap highly curates all broadcast content and advertising, and there is no third party developer support.

Not sure why anyone wouldn't see how bad that is - if anything Snap should have learned from Twitter that third part devs are core to longevity.
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What does this day about the difference between charitable people and selfish people. It's all just a throw of the dice?
> You lose the patent rights if you sue Facebook for any patents that involve React

I see nothing that limits the termination clause to patents involving React. The only limitation following those general lines is the one you quoted, which is a limitation on the exception, implying that the license does terminate if the patent over which Facebook sued you is a React patent.
Maybe in the last year I've become a bit anti-establishment. But seriously, I think of all this stuff now as something verging on "addiction". Amazon pushing their junk, google pushing their whatever that collects your data, big oil pushing "power".... Convenience is one thing, but I find myself frequently questioning now, at what cost?
Well at least you have enough self-awareness to realize your opinions aren't widely shared. I for one will keep shopping on Amazon :)
With apps like Tasker on Android, you can do this sort of stuff if you're up for a little drag and drop programming...
The photos are all black and white until 1984, when they're all suddenly in color. Was there any particular advancement in color photography in 1984?
My dad, whose dad was from Poland, did the same...always wore a suit to seemingly just try to make the statement that he wanted to belong...similarly thought it not feasible for me to wear jeans and t shirts.
Take a look here:

https://github.com/facebook/react/wiki/sites-using-react

...that's obviously not complete, either. If you think of a large tech company the odds are they are using react somewhere for something, be it public facing or internal tooling. Many of the companies that aren't actively using React do so because they have their own JS stacks to dogfood (like Google and Angular).
Very true. I would also say it's more that technology reached a sophistication level where Amazon is possible. Of course, having an open marketplace is a prerequisite.
Important: IANAL and I am commenting from my personal reading

In the case of Fuschia, I don't see any more restriction of end-user rights than Apache 2.0 would give you. The only real difference is this line:

> This grant does not include claims that would be
infringed only as a consequence of further modification of this
implementation.

That makes it clear if you make a modification to Fuschia, that infringes on a patent that Google holds, that you don't automatically get rights to that patent too. Apache 2.0 doesn't mention that, but it appears implicit to me as Apache 2.0 only gives you patent rights to whatever is in the source.
To add on to this list, even IBM with their large patent portfolio has a large number of teams deploying projects using React and other FB OSS technology.

Disclaimer: I work for IBM.
Here's a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7tA3NNKF0Q
I understand now. I missed the "any Patent" assertion.
Very good point! :) But at least there's a pretense of human interaction. Though really it often turns out to be real. An actual person that likes the book, that you can interact with. Or a clerk that says "Dude you're only going to use this one time ever; I'll lend it to you." It happens.
Yah, I was particularly amused by Zuck when he gave a speech at his ol' stomping grounds suggesting everyone should focus on public works rather than companies competing with facebook. Very thematic, you have to give him credit.
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I imagine what it should have been like. For once, I didn't even remember the issue. Sorry for that.

I found this analysis comparing the sanctions to Norway and Mongolia and the final result.

https://cpianalysis.org/2017/02/22/the-costs-of-normalisatio...
The problem is that a critical protection against large companies is via patents or at least the threat of. Without them, the ability to dethrone them becomes very limited.
Snapchat better have been worth it, as I can assure you that crushing Netscape wasn't worth what it cost Microsoft.

What exactly did it cost them? Last I checked they never broke up and won their appeal in Federal court [1]:

The case found its way to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, which rejected Jackson's remedy and accused him of unethical conduct after it was revealed he had private conversations with reporters about the trial while it was still ongoing. Microsoft would settle the case with the Department of Justice in November of 2001 by agreeing to make it easier for Microsoft's competitors to get their software more closely integrated with the Windows operating system

Their settlement has basically nothing to do with why they aren't dominant today - only top 5 - they missed out on mobile to Apple/Google.
I read a few pages of this book. It reads as though it was written by a 15 year old. I'm shocked by it success - it felt like a collection of youtube comments that had been corrected for punctuation and spelling and ordered into chapters.
OCaml has always intrigued me as something to learn, but it seems I always read equally as many reasons that it's not good, not ready, or why I should try Haskell instead.
Does anyone have experience to say yay/nay on worthwhile learning, know of any companies using it heavily, or know of any large cleany written codebases from which to study?
How can I downvote you?
The seismometers were part of the Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Packages (ALSEPs), which were powered by radioisotope thermal generators. RTGs use the heat from decaying radioactive elements to produce power, and gradually produce less energy over time as the isotopes decay into more stable elements. By 1977 the ALSEP RTGs were only producing enough power to run either one experimental package or the radio transmitter at once; they probably would have stopped working altogether in a few more years anyway and it's better to have a controlled shutdown rather than a failing radio transmitter cluttering up the airwaves. Wikipedia also mentions "budgetary considerations", and apparently they wanted the ALSEP control room for another project as well.

Edit: I've just found [1], which adds a few additional details: first, they were designed for a lifetime of one year, so 1977 was well beyond their expected activity; and second, after they were decommissioned they continued to send carrier signals (but no data) which were used for various purposes.

[1]: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/HamishALSEP.html

More detail than you ever wanted to know can be found in the ALSEP termination report: https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/misc/documents/b32116.pdf
Why is it sane to lose the patent grant if you are a aggressor in a patent lawsuit against Facebook (for any patent, even ones unrelated to React)?

The clause also doesn't explicitly cover software patents only, so if Facebook infringes on your hardware patents (which is plausible, since Facebook does hardware related work as well), you still can't sue them.
I don’t think he made such an interview. The only time he explained his comments was in an article he sent to the original interviewer Jin Zhong in 2007. Jin later wrote to clarify the context of the comment in 2011. As by then Liu was in jail and never offered an explanation publicly. People have turned to Jin for clarification.
You are on to something, but I think it needs more refinement and analysis.

To me, it seems the root of your concern is whether there are dangerous or negative long-term effects on society caused by this immense centralization of activity and power that we see with Amazon and other tech giants.

I don't think that personally subsidizing local merchants does much, though. Once the problem is better understood, there are likely better approaches.
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Or is it a function of supply and demand simply changing the rate because we've been perfectly comfortable sending millions of jobs overseas?

As soon as the supply of people needing jobs is low enough that businesses have to pay more to hire...they will do so barring alternative options.
I'm pretty sure you'd still be able to recognize structures/logic, even if you weren't able to exactly identify all the gory parts of a transistor.
Actually, it seems even worse, because you give Facebook permission to use all patents, both software and non-software.
For software projects with new clients, I use cacoo.com and create simple domain and sequence diagrams to capture more complex workflows. I usually don't tell them it is UML and say these diagrams help better express workflows.
A standard Scanning Electron Microscope can do down to 0.1 nm, so this isn't really letting us see anything we couldn't before. SEMs are regularly used to reverse engineer chips. The main difference is that the one in the article is non-destructive, whereas with a SEM you have to strip the sample (and do imaging) layer by layer.
Ask HN: Which wireless router do you use at home?
I've been using an Airport Extreme for many years, but recently I started having trouble with wi-fi quality. I'd been thinking about getting a new router anyway, because I'd like one that can run a DNS server I can use to add a few records only visible to my local network. Which hardware do you use? If its software is customizable, what do you run on it (e.g. OpenWrt)?
Ask HN: Looking to make a switch. Should I worry about age discrimination?
I am a 60 year old backend developer in SV working in Node JS and PHP.

I have been in the same job for the last few years and would like to make a switch to a new role. I keep hearing about age discrimination which worries me. What are my chances of getting a new job?

I thought I would ask for some thoughts and advice from the HN community.
There are actually more high-curation specialty stores than there ever have been, but they're almost all online. I've seen online stores that only sell wall sconces, wax seals (the kind medieval kings used to use), coping saws, and all other kinds of weird concepts that can only exist in e-commerce. As far as books, it's easier than ever to distribute a niche book, although the marketing costs to stand out above the noise are higher than previously, since so much gets published.
I'm sorry but how is this relevant? How does this interest a hacker? I am of the opinion that this submission does not belong on the frontpage of Hacker News. The submission guideline says: "anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity." The title of the submission satisfies this claim. For me -- and reading the comments for others as well -- that's where it stops.

My issue is with the content. The book is summarized within 2 paragraphs which I personally don't find too interesting, but OK, maybe other people do.

But when I read something like this:

> Buddhism is hardly mainstream in Western culture – most would think of Asian monks or those who Kung-fu while wearing robes. Buddhism is a lot of things, but one way of looking at it is to see it as a belief system for contentment.

And I think of the HN crowd and how many people here have some idea about meditation or Buddhism I just find the article below mediocre at best.

It then gives a very very very -- 1 paragraph or 2 -- short primer on Buddhism and then does 2 other paragraphs tying in how Buddhism corresponds to the book.

Paragraphs like:
> What’s insightful about Manson’s treatment is his ability to tie in the issues with practical psychology, and biology as it relates to survival. This is apparent when he makes the argument that emotions are overrated.

Manson may have written it insightful, but the author of the blog post doesn't show me how it is insightful. Buddhism itself -- especially modern texts -- are in fact already practical psychology, (pseudo-)biology and survival. This is nothing new.

I find that there's very little meat here. If I may suggest a more interesting thing about Buddhism, survival and biology, then read Chade-Meng Tans blog and buy the book Search Inside Yourself. Here is a simple example blog post: http://chademeng.com/me/how-the-dalai-lama-surprised-me-agai...

Note: I'm just voicing my opinion. I'm not asking for the content to be removed, I'd have flagged it otherwise but I respect the submission and the idea that my view of what should or should not be posted on HN differs from other people their views.

P.S. I personally find the blog of the person who submitted it more interesting: http://www.williamha.com/ -- I mean no harm, I'm just genuinely surprised and maybe I'm venting a little, my apologies.
I remember my cousin pointing this out to me when we were in Idaho—the new trees are smaller, knottier, and all-around not as 'normal' looking, but they sure grow fast.
It's a de facto one-way "all your patents are available to us" grant, because you can't sue them if they violate any patents you may have, without ceding your l̶i̶c̶e̶n̶s̶e̶ ability to use React.

EDIT: better?
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For some roles, it's not petty. For example, for a sales role, you'd expect your salesman to be able to fit in at a client right from the first visit. If they can't do that at your company, that's a negative indicator for them.
I'm not going to go to an AA meeting. I don't need to go to an AA meeting. I'm glad you're the kind of guy who is looking to give people advice so that they can be their best, but this isn't one of those situations where you can be right. Or even wrong. It's not the sort of situation where having a ten second insight into someone's life gives you the ability to judge, and it's not the sort of situation where anything you say is going to have anything of value to me.

All of that sounds kinda harsh and I really don't mean to be too much of a jerk about it, but I really do mean to be a tiny bit of a jerk about it.

Of course my story will resonate with someone else at an AA meeting. It resonated with a number of people here, who aren't at AA, and it will resonate with a number of people who have never had a drink in their life.

That's all cool, it's all great, and except for the people at AA who are struggling it's all very low impact to their life.

Things are problems when they cause issues. Things that don't cause issues aren't problems, they're just things. Sometimes they're beautiful and sometimes they're sad and sometimes you won't understand them at all, but that doesn't mean that they need to change. Sometimes what I like isn't what you like.

And that should be okay.
If your landlord does something that they would normally be within their rights to do in retaliation to you enforcing some other provision in your agreement, then it is illegal. I'd bet that this was not the kind of statute that they could override in a lease agreement.

I wonder if such a clause is actually enforceable. Are there any actual cases where this clause was invoked?
> Why is it sane to lose the patent grant if you are a aggressor in a patent lawsuit against Facebook (for any patent, even ones unrelated to React)?

Why should Facebook support companies that are suing them?
Options are what get passed to the interpreter. Arguments get passed to the program.
How the interpreter gets called for most languages roughly goes like:

interpreter options input.tio arguments

Where input.tio is the file containing the code.
As far as I know, Jane Street is the go-to example for commercial users. It's also unsurprisingly used within INRIA itself (for e.g. Coq).
> without ceding your license to use React.

Ceding your license to use any patents Facebook may or may not have on React. There's a difference.
> Now where does it say that? [...] If you believe people when they say that their patent portfolios are purely defensive, there is no problem.

Where does it say what? Which part of my post are you taking issue with, because I would love to correct anything.

What it certainly doesn't say is that Facebook's patent portfolio is non-aggressive. And when, outside of this, has Facebook said that about their entire portfolio (I'm not saying they haven't, I just haven't seen that before)?
I've been getting frustrated with Slack for a while now, so thank you!

I'm running into some issues on my Linux machine with the login experience - I sent you an email with more details.
Links to prior parts:

Part 3: http://www.the-tls.co.uk/english-as-she-isnt-spoke-part-3/

Part 2: http://timescolumns.typepad.com/stothard/2015/04/english-as-...

Part 1: http://timescolumns.typepad.com/stothard/2013/03/english-as-...
To play devil's advocate: couldn't simple writing be seen as "good UX?"

I haven't thought about this much, but I'm sure copywriters, (etc.) have.
Maybe it looks like it’s orthographic, but it’s actually a perspective projection. You should be able to tell if you use the arrow keys to move around.

Check out drawLine3D() in until.js to see where I apply the perspective projection.
Ouch. It's terrible when guys like this find guys like you to work for them :)
I would like to remind you it's not capitalism, it's any economic system. In the USSR, they used to use (and still use) track vehicles to harvest wood and what have you natural resources in the Siberian tundra --heavy track vehicles crack and damage the permafrost[1] resulting in terrible enviro damage. Once the permafrost is cracked it does not heal.

The motto for the Soviets was pretty summed up as "git er done" no matter the cost. That meant lots of enviro damage --look at the Aral sea for another example.

[1]http://images.sciencesource.com/p/14185350/Damaged-tundra-de...
Man, that sucks. Like really sucks. Not that you were self medicating -- that's probably, like, not the worst thing you could have done, all things considered -- but that you have ADD & bipolar.

I hope that, despite the setbacks you may have faced and despite the fact that alcohol may have been a crutch for you, you've landed on your feet.

Thank you for replying and sharing the tiny sliver of insight into your life. It might not mean a whole lot to you but it means a whole lot to me. I'm not bipolar, I don't have ADD or depression or any number of those other things that alcohol might be a mask for: I just really like drinking.

But I hope that if anyone else reads this recognises that something might be wrong, it helps.
Could I ask what those bugs we're and if you had filed an issue for them? I don't have any deployed projects based on it, but I've played with it and talked to the main dev a couple of times - he's usually very on top of it.
Facebook and Bloomberg are both industrial users as well.
Actually, mites are eight-legged things.
Wow, awesome. Will you add IRC?
The reason it's the first time you've seen might be because it's stupidly difficult to get that effect to work on IE/Edge. You might notice that there's a different effect on the run button for those browsers.
Indeed! Verizon, a carrier in the US, actually made a product out of this by allowing people to buy what they branded "Ringback Tones" which would play some song or tune when someone called your number and you hadn't picked up yet. Not sure if it's still a thing.
I am critical of Uber because they are a terrible company made up of apathetic investors and employees; if I were to sell all of my Tesla shares today, I would still do everything in my power to burn Uber to the ground and leave nothing but ash.
There are also place like Frager's Hardware in DC [0]. They're really crammed full of stuff and cluttered. But you can walk in and ask for essentially anything and they'll come out of a back room with a box full of it.

The Mom and Pop stores need to emulate that to keep up... which takes a lot of time and effort (e.g., "Locally owned and operated since 1920.")

[0] http://www.fragersdc.com/
Maybe they signed separate agreements with FB. Patents sharing or exceptions. Big corporations do that.

I'd like to ask their legals about why they feel OK using React, but I'm too far away. Is anybody here in touch with them?
I'm sure buying my $30 inflatable raft at Bob's Outdoor instead of Amazon will save my "soul." That's what I've been doing wrong all this time.
Indeed. Even my two-year old knows which room is my office and not a playroom.
I'm in the same boat. Hadn't bothered to check out their license yet. Kinda makes me wary about using it for any social platform.
"Society" can do whatever it wants. I just feel better when buying something is a conscious effort. Not click-click-click-sold. But it took me several years to recognize this. I think if more people sat and thought about it, they'd come to the same conclusion. Not everyone, but many.
TIO is powered by Fedora Linux, and unfortunatly the site's maintainer was unable to get the Linux port of Swift to work. This may change in the near future, however.
If the web hadn't become free, Microsoft may not have lost their foothold.
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Because they already allowed other people to use it, and it doesn't required extra effort on Facebook's part to allow another company to use it.

I can understand why Facebook would want to have a clause like this (to discourage lawsuits against them), but I would consider it against the spirit of open source to do so (ie. Facebook should be able to continue to do this, but I wouldn't consider React to be open source software in that case).
How can I be 100% sure of security?