skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
In California..in small farms 1-100 acres : Casual labour from in front of Home Depot parking lot won't work for less than $20-22/hour. Interns(they have to be taught. So for every 3-4 hours they work, a skilled farm labourer can do it in one hour..because the time you take to train them is the time when you are not working.) are paid from $10-12/hour. Knowledgeable farm workers(full time..reliable work..in the slightly non-urban areas..sometimes with housing/food) get paid about $12-15/hour. Automated farms is the future of local food.
I'm a bit surprised that this one was declassified given the sensitive nature of the content.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/5988128522/in/album-721...
You are right, of course... however...

What about the power the government derives from taxing your real estate? Don't forget that either.
>How much CO2 could these pump out?

There are around 60-80 volcanic eruptions per year; for a total of about 300 million tons of CO2; so all four together, even if they produce twice as much as an average eruption, would account for about only 3.5 million tons. (Human-produced CO2 is estimated at between 20 to 30 billion tons per year)
There's a deeper industrial surveillance state at work. I thought that was the core insight of Snowden's work - was that it's not all tinfoil crazy talk.
Dear government,

Did you know it's possible for people to have fake social media accounts?
Look, as much as we all get up in arms about this... total access to my email, calendar, and contacts were required to play Pokemon Go. I hate it, but until people starting taking privacy seriously, what is an appropriate response? The encroachments are everywhere and so prevalent (and people are so dulled) that nobody bats an eye when "the authority" (or just someone who seems mildly trustworthy) asks for things they shouldn't ask for.

If you offer to help a stranger fix something on their laptop, what percentage do you think would just tell you that their password is their kids' middle name -- and how many do you think would use the same password on their Gmail and bank accounts? The fact that so few people take privacy and security seriously is enraging; it's hard to go from enraged to outraged when most people don't even bother protecting themselves.

It's all so infuriating.
Thanks! That's excellent. Different measurements from populations with varying exposure to snakes certainly seems to weigh in favour of an evolutionary explanation.

> That's a general argument against any complex adaptation.

I know my comment looks remarkably close to typical poorly-informed arguments for ID (eyeballs, even bananas lol), which probably explains the poor reaction to it. There's a lot of fuzzy thinking about evolution all round, and I'm just as guilty of it as the next person.

Thanks for taking the time to give me a good read :).
You are exactly right. Some people here might be employed in this line of work, and that's why the engage in fingerpointing and "we're different" :)
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Actually it make sense.

Looking at the figures in this report https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachm... - see for example chart 3.09 and 3.11, whites tend to be murdered much more by people they know / in their home.

Therefore it's more likely that a white murder victim was killed by someone they know - hence likely to be solved & convicted. Blacks have (relatively) higher chance of being killed by strangers outside - hence lower probability of arrest & conviction.
It's blatant fake news trying to spread a narrative of regret to undermine confidence in the presidency. They did the exact same thing after Brexit.

To elaborate, when they aren't completely making things up or using actors pretending to be ordinary citizens, they decide what narrative they want to spin beforehand ("farmers regret voting for Trump because they will lose their illegal immigrant labor"), ask as many people as it takes until you find the one guy that was dumb enough to not see this coming, and ignore everyone else. Or you ask farmers what they think about Trump, get a nice long list of compliments and concerns, and only report the concerns so it looks like everyone is scared out of their minds.

This playbook is as old as journalism itself. Grade school manipulation, and people eat it up. "Trump supporters are idiots who don't understand the most blidingly obvious consequences of his policies. This makes me feel good about myself and reaffirms my biases. I need my daily hit of manufactured outrage to get through the day."
Yeah I think all of the subsidies are justified by the whole 'non starving populus' externalities even if it isn't an optimal solution.
Though I wish it were different, I can't help but feel that this truly is game over. The statists have won. The technology is too powerful, they're too easily able to afford it, and the public can't do much to stop it
> But my question is still who would pay for those wage raises? The people who buy the products?

Yes, exactly.

> How do you think they'd react if fruit/vegetables were twice the price overnight?

If you weren't artificially suppressing wages through illegal immigration, the working class would have more money, the labour market would be at a better equilibrium and everyone would have money to buy food even at the slightly higher prices. Who knows, maybe landowning farmers would even find some way to produce more efficiently, with a little incentive.
I think that's a positive. More Socratic.
I've seen people talk about their plans to enter under false premises while in line at Houston (IAH). Talking about how they're gonna work as a nanny or whatever. CBP has folks walking around and sometimes they ask spot questions and suss these people out. I imagine the same will happen.

People who will go thru the hassle of dealing with a fake profile will just not post about their plans to enter "illegally" in the first place. People prone to writing dumb shit online are probably not going to wise up because of this.
One of my favorite pieces of Smullyan's writing is "Planet Without Laughter": http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/smullyan.html
It seems like this would eventually lead to a codebase that's, at Facebook's size, unmaintainable garbage. How do they make it work?
/r/politics is that way ->
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In many cases its because of ignorance -- America's cultural dominance simply makes it the default rich nation to try to enter. Many are shocked (in one case I vividly remember, to tears) to hear how much better life is for many in mainstream developed nations than it is in the US.
If you put it on the internet, it isn't private. There really isn't a debate to be had about this.

I think requiring passwords for social media is fucking stupid. Really, really stupid.

People who expects to have "privacy on the internet" are also fucking stupid. Yes, this includes facebook, twitter, instagram, email, et. al.

If you wan't to keep a secret, don't tell anyone. If you put something "private" on the internet, you've ostensibly told 3-4 billion people.
I don't trust fingerprint unlocks. The recent incident where a child bypassed security using the finger of her sleeping mother was proof enough for me.
The last administration didn't "brainstorm" it, they proposed, asked for feedback, and enacted it. They're fully responsible for why we have it today.

All of this is trivially verifiable, just look at when the proposal was submitted, accepted, and then enacted. All of them were before election day. All of it within the executive branch's umbrella (i.e. there was no act of congress).
He mentioned the lost cause narrative being something that was created after the war. That document goes into detail about a whole lot that was going on at the time that fit the "narrative".

Civil War history is a hobby of mine that developed after the flag stuff a couple of years ago. There were so many factors that went into the conflict it's hard to even know where to begin.

Snag a book on the economics of it sometime if you're interested though.
Oh, please no!

The world will die trying to pronounce another Eyjafjallajökull name.
My hunch is that this is less about the technical ability to access data and more about adding another legally-defensible way to reject people they want to reject for other reasons.

The NSA is probably already cahooting with the CBP for selected cases.
Re-read what I said, because you are responding to something that has nothing to do with any of my claim.

Restated: If you spend 8+ years and tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn something, not putting it to use is a colossal waste of resources for everyone involved. It's not just you. It's the seat you took from another student who would have appreciated it more.
This is interesting, as it seems to be playing in the same sandbox :> attributed to nation-state actors. Though on the defensive side of the equation.
> If you put it on the internet, it isn't private.

Access to social media accounts includes access to private communications, e.g. messages that were sent with the understanding that only the recipient would receive it.

But those nudes your girlfriend sent you are now in the hands of an immigration agent working in the name of "border security".
Besides those robotic combines, I couldn't find much on robotic pickers that wasn't experimental. Have any good references for this?
Though I live and breathe it, emacs C source base is amazingly nasty. The fact that it still uses redisplay and memory dumps after integrating so many improvements over the years...
> I have not been to Tokyo, but I still don't see how you make a plot of land as small as SF support 4-5 million people without still creating serious compromises to quality of life for the lower end of the price range.

Well, you should go there and see for yourself how much better it is. I have done that, and I can tell you without any hesitation that I would rather be poor in Tokyo than in San Francisco or any other major city in the US.

You can get across Tokyo on a train for the equivalent of a few dollars, there is universal health care, rent and home prices are lower, and Tokyo is more cosmopolitan. Unless you are looking for software engineering jobs, Tokyo is a better place to live. And on top of all of that, the population of the Tokyo metropolitan area is almost as large as the entire population of California.
Slightly higher prices? Care to add some support to that, even if just your imagination and assumptions? My guess is more like "$20 lettuce," at the very least.
I found a series of really nice sketches but the images are only 600x406px [0]. Wish they'd release higher-res images suitable as desktop backgrounds...

[0] https://ccsearch.creativecommons.org/image/detail/_UraJxSFDX...
I wouldn't phrase it like that but, yes, there are ~200 countries in the world.

Things like this (and this[1]) just help destroy the idea that the US is a special haven of freedom that cause many people to want to visit in the first place.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13453189
> You can easily create a fake Facebook profile with your picture, fake posts, fake friends, fake everything.

Perjuring yourself to a border agent is inadvisable. The legal threat follows you whether or not you are granted or denied entry. At any time, it may be discovered and lead to very serious criminal and administrative consequences.

If you simply refuse to give over the password, they can refuse entry. But they can't necessarily treat you as an actual criminal.

It is never a good idea to lie to, mislead or interfere with law enforcement officers. If you are having trouble, get a lawyer as quickly as you can.

Speaking of which: I am not a lawyer and consequently this is not legal advice.
I thought Mike Judge's movie Idiocracy was an amusing reducto de absurdum of a population that's doesn't believe in reasoning, though it's becoming eerily similar to the present direction of the USA these days... this article in point.
No. But it very much is their fault for making such an asinine requirement. I have no doubt it actually hurts them, too. Turnover is expensive, and someone who has an advanced degree will bail for better prospects as soon as possible.
Interesting. How many people, would you say, have a textual conversation over email or FB or a forum, etc, that had ended up in an NSA dragnet?

Then, of those conversations (presumably several billion), how many are stored with some identifiable metadata, like IP address, GPS tag, real name, photo?

Even if it is only a few million people, it's still way too much of an overreach, and still ridiculously cheap to store on tape and analyze on disk/ssd.

then you just pay someone who cant find any better work to type queries into a system.

How many times have you talked about potential crimes with your friends? how many times have they talked about using drugs, fake IDs, speeding, petty theft, etc

how many times has "child porn" inadvertantly made it into your browsers temporary files.

Almost everything is a crime, and the government's ability to cheaply prosecute is only growing
Yikes, was that on an iPhone? I'm not seeing permissions to read email or calendar content on the Android version. It does have permissions to read your contacts.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2012/12/01/high-cost-...

Its complicated. If you don't have lots of assets, you are probably ok.
Note that farm subsidies don't go to crops which are labor intensive. They're for "row crops" that are fully mechanized.
Ok, I agree with you. and now Trump may or may not enforce it.

If he does, do you agree that he too is at fault?

or are you of the opinion that he will enforce something he doesn't agree with, just because Obama made it?

the evidence still shows both sides at fault
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Some day... but for other reasons, I'm sure I won't have any desire to live there.
I've used this on myself rather effectively.
Yeah, and those nudes are also visible on whatever server they're stored on, with whatever rootkit is installed on it, or to whatever bored employee decides to look at them. Or to the jackass who saw you looking at your phone and took a picture, or the asshole who rooted your girlfriends phone, or the neighbor who hopped on your wireless router and guessed your "test12" password. God forbid anyone uses their phone to sign onto a public wifi somewhere, don't even get me started on that.

It is very foolish to consider anything, sent across any digital medium "private" in any sense.
I wish some good designers would lend LibreOffice a hand. Even without reworking UX they could win over more users by being less ugly (compare MS Office start page)
Maybe if they change this to an app that was required for entry, instead of turning over passwords.
Yes. Welfare is very attractive compared to minimum wage. One of the main reasons for labour shortages.

One source of free labour however is WOOF programs but you need to offer housing, farm training, cultural immersion and food to young foreigners in exchange for 3-4 days of labour.

Food is so cheap in the USA that I am pretty sure the organic small farmer makes little to no money. It's ridiculous. Why would anyone want to farm?

Local food is food security. Also..all rural areas will become urban soon.(unless human beings procreate responsibly). It makes no sense to stress resources and cause pollution in large swathes of rural farmland. Makes more sense to have farm 'green lungs' and urban food sheds around which urban areas are built...each local food shed taking care of most of food needs of the local population.

Local distribution is dilution of risk if food security is threatened. For this..a certain percentage of land should be set aside for agriculture and ranchland. Urban density must be normalized.

Back to labour issues: I don't think legality of residency matters. There aren't enough people to do farm work in California. Yes..farm labour abuse does occur rarely but we have a good support system and various agencies and checks and safety nets..but it is not sustainable. Farmers would likely remain tight lipped about the practices and how farm is run..I can understand and I probably would do the same if I weren't just a small acreage farmer. I just don't have enough to share. Even if I did..the 'civilians' just won't understand.

I hope things change and we snap out of our collective delusions about our food and where it comes from..
That's not true though?

[0] says downtown NYC is upwards of $2k, hitting $3-4k in certain areas (1 bedroom). My impression is that there's not much of a way of avoiding this.

A quick search on suumo.jp, and I can only find a handful of 1 room apartments (1 bedroom, under 750 square feet) over $3k in all of downtown Tokyo. Having moved many times within the city limits, I would say that, for a 1 bedroom, you could expect to pay $1-1.5k in really nice areas, for something not far from the station.

But you can easily find cheaper places if you're willing to be a bit further from the station (nobody wants to be a 12 minute walk from the station), or if you're willing to live near the less fun stations on the Yamanote. But the apartments are still in good shape. Just a bit less convenient.

And if you're good living in a shitty apartment (building over 40 years old), you can easily get your rent way down.

I just signed for a place (50m2, 2 rooms + dining/kitchen, built 3 years ago) near Ueno for $1500 a month.

[0]: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/blog/map-of-average-rent-by-...
I always got the impression companies like Accenture were brought in to "evaluate the landscape" when the company bringing them in already had an opinion and could use an outsider confirming their opinion.
is it possible for someone to walk that much distance while being malnourished? the article said that he scraped berries and remnants of food in trash, but 4-5 years like that? the article also mentions that he walked most of it, only occasionally getting a ride as a stowaway. this guy must have had incredible health, walking barefoot, without major sickness (infection, virus, etc), no money, no food, hardly any shelter, in shorts. i imagine the fact that he was in and around warm climate areas helped, he would not have survived if he went north or east.
The real solution is to entice global companies like Google and Facebook to start building employment centers in areas like the Midwest. Having so many rich engineers competing for the same houses is what is causing prices to skyrocket. There's no excuse for contemporary companies to keep pouring more and more money into the Bay Area, when they could easily work remote.

Divert the demand to other geographic locations, and then you'll see the supply loosen and prices soften.
Protectionism would benefit some U.S. farmers, but certainly not all. The U.S. is a net exporter of corn, soybeans, dairy, etc. to Mexico and they are our third largest agricultural export market.
There actually is a first-party app from Google that can read QR codes: Google Goggles. Besides QR codes, I've also found it handy for scanning the ISBN bar codes of books that I want to remember.
Yeah they're included.
First one looks like a suburban chicken coop and the second a factory farm.
I'm all for keeping HN high quality - I hope it never loses its focus on technical discussion, regardless of how much userbase influx there may be from other online communities.

But this kind of thing perfectly matches the calibre of HN, despite the subject matter.

Thanks.
John Calhoun never went to war to defend slavery. He died in 1850.
Text message notifications are set via Facebook's notification settings page... so this all looks valid? Sounds like they opted out of getting text messages, and then still got one. Not sure where you are reading "push notifications" into this.
Contact me. My email address is in my profile. My day job is international tax lawyer. I know this stuff and I know accountants who do tax returns.
I am aware of all that, and I can see how it would be feasible given enough compute power and cooperation from FB et. al.

My issue is with your claim that the NSA could incriminate "literally" anyone on the planet.
Sorry, but no.

Only about 3% of Americans are self-proclaimed vegetarians (less than 1% are vegans), and there's good evidence that the majority of those eat meat, fish, or poultry on a regular basis [1].

Of course, future generations may be 100% vegan and look back on us with horror at the way that we treated animals, our planet, our bodies, etc. But that's distinct from looking back on individuals who didn't choose a particular niche lifestyle and having it tarnish their memory.

Your points seem more about why you think that individual non-vegetarians should be judged harshly by history, but I see little reason to think that a lifestyle that less than 1% of the population strictly adheres to is going to become a source of individualized historical shame.

1. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201109/w...
I don't buy that sneaking immigrants into the country to work illegally is the ideal solution. It creates poor incentives (it's too easy to abuse workers. How cheap should we pay them or how many hours to work them? What sort of healthcare or living conditions are acceptable?). There are a few alternatives. I imagine an actual solution would be a mix a) pay a fair wage b) mechanize more of the process (incentivize loans to make it easier) b) increase farm subsidies c) import more food from other countries like Mexico (where they pay lower prices) d) or, if we're hooked on the idea, a special "worker program" visa where we pay below minimum wage. It's not that much different from other industries with a few wrinkles...I believe there are legitimate reasons for partially subsidizing a domestic food supply (in case of trade disputes, natural disasters, or war).

The part I struggle with is how to pursue illegal immigrants who have been quietly living in the country who might have been brought as kids or have established families. What's the cost/benefit and how many resources do you spend on that?
Millions of dollars in lifetime earnings for most of my friends. And they're not even from poor countries, they're from Canada :/
The idea of this question being taken seriously is worrisome. These were the exact types of questions I saw made by entry level finance folks 10 years ago before the bubble popped. The level of immaturity, entitlement, and arrogance made me think it was a troll post, but the serious responses make me question the HN mindset sometimes.
You would be correct. Its to CYA and help them look impartial to people who aren't aware of Accenture's bias.
This is why I see the dominance of Windows as a problem that should be dealt with on the political level.

My hope for Europe is lost in this regard, but I think Russia or China could come up with something interesting.
what is the stack you used?
Well, the unemployment rate isn't zero. It's hard to say exactly how elastic the labour market is, but my guess is labour costs wouldn't actually double. They'd probably go up by 20-50%, worst case. If the market can't take a 50% price increase, the farmers will either sell for less margin and accept a cut in profits, or they'll find efficiency through automation.

But as I pointed out, nothing happens in a vacuum. Rising 'cost' of labour means rising wages, consumers have more money. What's the better equilibrium?

Keep in mind, in most parts of the world, we pay much, much more for food than Americans. Somehow we survive, and live pretty damn well too.

Edit - I should also add, I buy organic lettuce produced in a greenhouse in Canada. It doesn't cost $20. We're somewhat less tolerant of illegal labour than the US as well.
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Please, these people are not stupid. They know exactly what they're doing when they hire undocumented workers.
I like the engineering aspects of VS Code:

https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode