EDIT: An earlier version of this comment has been flagged, but I stand by it and am addressing the parent poster. Feel free to disagree with me (feel free to comment), but I have communicated really clearly, and it is an important thing to communicate. See note at bottom.

The following is tough love:

>I have worked in the network programing domain for the last few years and I also found that especially outsiders and newbies get too obsessed on pure performance figures.

no need for the introduction, your attitude shows it all. It's why we all wait for 35 seconds while we watch a timer animation instead of getting a response instantly (200 milliseconds) and one time out of ten thousand having to resubmit a page and you having to deal with it. But by all means, 10000 * 35 seconds is only 97 hours. I'm happy to wait 97 hours if it means I won't have a 1/10,000 chance of having to click Submit a second time - wouldn't you? Or even a one in fifty chance? I mean wouldn't you rather wait for 35 seconds, versus either getting an instant response (98% chance) or a 98% chance of an instant response the second time you try and a 98% chance of a response the third time you try? No brainer. Who wouldn't love to wait, wait, wait, wait. It's my favorite part of using a computer! Waiting! I can anticipate how great it will be when stuff works. It reminds me of downloading over a 14.4 KBps modem (which due to the lack of web apps at the time was actually much faster in many cases, but thankfully you've fixed that.) On your end you won't have to code up what happens when I do resubmit or not get your response, which takes logic and math or a hand-coded edge case, that civilization probably will never discover and could not possibly code. I mean how can a database possibly be set right if it ever gets a transaction twice or fails to get a transaction the user really did request. It doesn't make any sense! Would you ever tell a friend the same thing twice? Or would you just tell them once, and even if it takes them 3 weeks to get your invitation for Friday, at least you won't accidentally send it twice, embarrassing yourself and your friend, or, worse, having them show up twice. The real world shows that the tradeoffs you network engineers make every day to give me 35 second web page experiences are the correct trade-offs. After all, it's my time, not yours.

/s

You people make the worst trade-offs ever. Your decisions suck. Your work sucks. The web sucks, because of you.

Change everything radically. Figure it out. Don't boast about newbies/outsiders not understanding - you don't understand the correct trade-offs.

Plus the two general's theorem[1] shows that you can never write correct code on the theoretical level, so that other than every single thing you do being practically broken, it's theoretically broken too. Everything you guys do is broken and sucks, theoretically as well as practically. wake up already.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Generals'_Problem

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Note: I took a very aggressive tone to counteract the complacency I quoted. My goal is to have parent poster rethink their whole life (in the network programming domain.) Please don't flag/downvote it if you want a better web tomorrow than we have today, because the parent and others like them is the one responsible for this. Only they can wake up and start making the correct trade-offs. It gets so bad that I manually open a new tab, slowly type in google, slowly re-authenticate, and go through the same action a second time, then close the (still loading) first tab, just because people like this person have made trade-offs that are so bad I have to work around it myself. Their decisions are wrong.

Reliability, the way network engineers have been moving toward coding for it for the past decade, is a false God. The approach is not correct. It must change if you want a better web tomorrow (or at least reply to it) or you are complacent in the thinking which the parent comment very explicitly shows. I have edited this comment considerably to be really clear, and gave multiple examples. As you can see I have 2546 karma and have been using HN for 1386 days. I stand by criticism.