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Some countries have enjoyed the Schengen agreement to mean "now our entire country is a border zone where customs have special powers".
But it's true that I prefer going to a neighboring country by train without any border stop than the ridiculous and demeaning airport experience.
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But what happens when work it mostly worthless, because it's all automated?
See Laffer curve. Redistribution will make people work less (i.e. less total output), so assuming the money supply doesn't change, inflation will occur.
Everybody understands that UBI is a solution to meeting "basic" needs, the contentious part is the "universal".

I don't need basic income. If I received free money that I don't need, I might decide to double my cheese consumption. If many people like me do this, then the price of cheese will go up, hurting poor people.
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The parent post speaks of his/her starvation and a partner dying. You make a pedantic comment on his/her paraphrase. You are both insensitive, and you do not know what "paraphrase" means. Also, being a fan of a racist imperialist is sort of an awkward thing to confess to.
It seems like you read neither my post nor the article itself. The article was proposing redistribution of income, so it's definitely NOT equivalent to the government printing money. And in my post, I listed several cases of stuff people will buy less of and other stuff people will not buy more of in a basic income society.
Build "them" some public bathrooms? How about building ourselves some public bathrooms! I can't count the number of times I've personally wanted to use a bathroom while out and not already at a business. But like any public infrastructure problem, in the US it gets dropped on the floor. I can generally solve my immediate problem by choosing a business and even getting away with not then-and-there patronizing them due to my social class. But let's not pretend this makes for a good society.
> I've always thought that AWK's most important feature is its self limiting nature

I agree. This idea doesn't receive enough attention. If you pick your constraints you can make a particular envelope of uses easy and ones you don't care about hard.

AWK's choice to be a per line processor, with optional sections for processing before all lines and after all lines is self-limiting but it defines a useful envelope of use.
I think it may be more a question of how clean the patron is. If they tend to walk around public places with no shoes on, one might imagine that their overall hygiene may not be particularly good.

Most likely though it's a health and safety policy - sharp things on the floor, etc.
And find someone with a little sales flair to help you make the listing.
America is really killing itself slowly (if people stop having kids we'll die out eventually but terrible economic consequences will hit much earlier) because of how bad the policies here are. Family values is just something conservatives like to blather about while doing everything to make people not wanna have full fledged families.

Having kids shouldn't be this difficult and it isn't in countries where the government has common sense policies to actually support family values but in US half the country has been brainwashed to think of them as evil socialism.

I know many Europeans with kids and they seem to be much less stressed out than Americans, still have time for hobbies and are genuinely enjoying having kids. It turns out that having kids doesn't have to be completely overwhelming when you have long maternity leave, government providing free day care and great public schools in your area (none of that lottery politically correct idiocy) plus parents who aren't living thousands of miles who prefer spending their retirement playing infinite rounds of golf and going on cruises over being involved grandparents.

The government system and the individualistic, selfish mindset of Americans (both things that we delusionally pride ourselves on) is the cause of many major problems here and many people are still unwilling to even admit them.
Please don't create many obscure throwaway accounts; we ban those. HN is a community. Anonymity is fine, but users should have some consistent identity that other users can relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be an entirely different forum.
My wife and I both work, and we have kids. It's not because of any relative importance of career versus kids, it's simply because we couldn't afford to live here in the SF Bay Area otherwise. It would be wonderful if one of us could stay home, but there's more to it than that as well.

Have you ever spent all day with toddlers? It's enough to make you go mad sometimes, and it also starves you of adult interaction. Chasing little wild humans and occasionally commanding, "No! Spit that out!" isn't really interaction.

You need a support system when raising kids. Traditionally, this has been family, but people move around for work so much in the US, that many of us don't have that support system, and we outsource that to professionals - day care, nannies, co-ops. All that stuff costs money, and so, we both have to work.
Honestly drug bounties seems so much better than patents across the board. Patents are better when you're inventing the market too, but even then are no panacea as it may take a long time to build the market after the initial invention, eating into the patterns lifespan. True innovative is often bewildered.

Here not only is the market clear cut, but this benefits new entrents as the immediate windfall allows for more risk-taking. It's liquidity for innovation.

Finally, the costs for patients / emergencies can be dirt-cheap, which is good because just as one should have insurance to cover future emergencies, so should society budge the R&D up-front.
UBI is inefficient--taxing someone and then giving them money. NIT (negative income tax) makes more sense and can actually have the same effect as UBI depending on the slabs.
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its not worth anything when you take into account the time needed to due some due diligence and to even think about it.
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Use flippa.com to sell your stuff.

I sold like 5-6 side projects which were abandoned for ages.
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That sounds like censorship.
1) Americans currently consume (not necessarily eat) 3800 kcals/day of food without basic income. Are you saying that basic income will make that number go up?

2) The American housing market is very messed up and far from a free market, so any prediction up or down is very difficult. I predict that Basic Income will cause a bunch of people to move from high cost cities like NYC & SF into low cost areas so that they can live comfortably on the basic income. So there will be pressures both up and down on prices. But point #1 still stands. Right now most Americans already have a place to live, and basic income isn't going to cause people to go out and buy a second house so the effects are only going to be at the margin.

3) According to most economists, inflation is always a monetary phenomenon. If you print money to pay for UBI, inflation will go up. If you take from the rich to give to the poor, inflation will stay constant.
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No, you sell more product when the price decreases making the industry more profitable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons's_paradox is the same basic idea.
Is the important part here labor or output? Automation means people working less with output increasing.
As striking as it is for a company to take in a billion every quarter and still fail to make a profit, it is all to common in the telco space. I know from experience at one of the big 4 wireless carriers in the US. The inefficient mismanagement and spending decisions, specifically related to operations were astounding.

I started a company (shameless plug: fifthsignal.com) that makes software to fix a lot of the inefficiencies we saw. One of our biggest concerns was whether or not other carriers operated as poorly as what we had experienced. After talking with several carriers outside of the US, it would seem that most are actually worse off.

I believe someone in this thread made a comment towards the "legacy" telco space. Based on my experience, I would say it's a "dinosaur" industry that has seen very little delivered innovation in recent times.

*Most of my experience relates to operations/OSS solutions, with very little insight into telco BSS space.
However a significant part of Salesforce is owned by one Larry Ellison....
The US had 77.5 Million Tourists visit in 2015, that's second to only France.
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I used to refuse the scanner every time. I now have TSA Prime and don't have to anymore. When anyone asked me why I'm refusing I always made sure to give them as one of the reasons that I'm concerned about the TSA staff being exposed to radiation and the fact that they are prohibited to wear dosimeters. Makes it really hard for them to dislike you. Several got much friendlier after that.
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Sure:

[1] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-missed-trump-...

[2] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/why-2016-ele...

While it will take more time to figure out the precise reasons for the failure of the polls, the consensus is that such a failure indeed happen, and there are a number of competing hypotheses for why it happened. Other than on HN, nobody claims that the errors were due to some inherent unpredictability which cannot be addressed through better methodology.
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There are plenty of alternatives to statistics and expertise, as the sibling comment points out, letting people get on with things themselves (i.e. the default action of do nothing) is essentially a delegation to the wisdom of the crowds. Gut feeling and intuition are also alternatives people frequently rely on, and aren't necessarily nonsense: the brain is very good at synthesising conclusions at the level of the subconscious that surface consciously as hunches or gut feelings.

The "body of evidence" that self-proclaimed experts are frequently wrong is rarely presented statistically, but it could be so. However this would be circular, it'd be an expert using statistics to claim that experts using statistics can't be trusted. That's a time when 'common sense' knowledge is sufficient: if you've seen endless stories in the press about how experts predit X, and none about experts predicting not X, then when X doesn't happen you can safely lower your trust in experts without needing an Excel spreadsheet to prove it to yourself.
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From the sound of it, it seems this would needs to have more development before it would make anything even on Flippa.
And here is the chilling effect in action, folks.

Enjoy your freedom of speech.
Europe's natural population growth is largely negative too, so it's no utopia over there either.

I grew up in eastern Europe, and work in the US, so I've got perspective on both cultures. The biggest difference that I can see is that families in Europe tend to stay closer together, and grandparents, aunts and uncles help with child rearing, which is a huge help! Here, in the SF Bay Area, we're a society of immigrants who have severed those links. I've been working in tech in and around SF for 20+ years, and it's rare to meet someone with family in the area. All the growth here has been from immigration, foreign and domestic. People in the US really do seem to move a lot for work.
I am sorry, how is that a useful comment and adds value to discussion?
If we are literally at 100% robot labor, a basic income could be a resource dividend. Basically, the argument for really strong property rights is that it encourages utilization of resources (and thus makes them broadly available to the economy).

With 100% robot labor, utilization of a resource is purely a political decision. The idea that we should give outsize rewards to historical incumbents for their historical incumbency becomes sort of silly.
EconTalk has a recent episode on basic income [0]. The guest is against basic income but the debate is interesting.

[0] http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2017/01/michael_munger_3.ht...
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What is the difference between money "you don't need" and money you do need? If, instead of receiving basic income, you received a pay raise, is that money you do or don't need?

Money "you don't need" is an economic absurdity.

The only people who double their cheese consumption are people who really like cheese. And if basic income helps you and others truly express their passion for cheese, more power to you. Poor people will eat something else.
You're right about the wealth producers!

We need a 100% inheritance tax! That way the wealth isn't going to people who didn't produce it!

Then you redistribute that money to schools and training programs and small businesses to give opportunities to anyone to become a wealth producer!

This improves the entire human race and not just the rich trust fund babies who haven't produced anything in their lives.

I'm totally with you on this.
I'm not sure if you're purposefully ignoring the main issues with UBI, but in case you're not: the most important stuff (things like food, rent, clothing, energy, medicine, basic services) will have more demand (from all the people who can't afford these right now), and less supply (because a lot of these are done with low-paid labour - definitely clothing, food and basic services, along with things like garbage collection and construction). This will completely change how the society works.
Great to hear. Just shows not all money is equal. People remember these things.
This is a key problem fuelling climate change skepticism. People look at the structure of academia and notice that the way to get money in such a system is by convincing committees of your peers that your research is more important than other people's research. And saying "my research could literally save the world from total destruction" is the trump card in such a game, thus people are highly incentivised to play it.
Sounds difficult but why not give it a try?
Have you identified a buyer for your web service startup idea?
Once you´ve done it you could send some Linkedin messages, cold e-mails and even make some phone calls

I think that might work better than advertising an MVP

Best of lucks
People buy Ferraris for the status as much as the performance.

Something that looks the part but doesn't have the gravitas just doesn't appeal to a large enough audience.

Pantera tried to make something like a cheap Ferrari in the 1970's. It was about $10k when average cars were $3k, and a Ferrari was $20k+. It did okay, but not a spectacular success.

And, there have been a few cars that tried to look the part, without the performance, but they did about the same. Pontiac's Fiero, for example.

Basically, the people that want that look also want you to think they paid a lot of money.
Source needed.

But seriously, antibiotic resistance is a population-wide problem and you personally not eating meat won't protect you against antibiotic resistant bacteria.

Not to mention the idea that red meat specifically causes adverse health effects in most people is an old idea that modern nutrition studies have mostly not shown to be true.
I like this guy's fighting spirit. But he's tilting at windmills. Apple will still sell millions no matter how much he complains. The real fix is to pick a competitor's product than has the repair characteristics he admires and focus on that company's product. Apple will eventually get the message.
To play devil's advocate, it's pretty easy to claim that the reason you don't want to detail something as personal as your treatment at the hands of the TSA after claiming it was so horrid that it discouraged you from traveling, is that the TSA will somehow find your online Hacker News profile and single you out next time you try and fly. But it's also possible that maybe the poster doesn't want to reveal something personal, or that the treatment might not be considered as severe as the first comment implied by others, or a myriad of reasons.
Why can't we get Rust for the ESP8266? :( I really dislike C, I'd love a higher-level language. As great as MicroPython is, the interpreter needs too much RAM, and I think Rust would be a great alternative.
A safety signal set off by comedians (eg, Tim Minchin) but that fails to detect serial killers seems anything but "meaningful". It's just noise.

It actually sounds like a cognitive fault where an old instinct (that used to be useful) is counterproductive in the modern world.

Coddling that behavior leads us (pretty much invariably) to tragedy.
Because if you are anti-China, you will probably not want to travel to China in the first place.

And if you are pro-China, then you have nothing to hide and is of no interest to the custom.
When robots can produce most of the necessary life goods (food, energy, clothing and other manufacturing, medicine), one of the following will happen: (1) robots will be more expensive than humans, and nothing will change (unlikely), (2) there will be a monopoly on robot labour, resulting in an increase of inequality and eventually war (semi-likely), (3) there will be a competition on robot labour, resulting in a sharp fall of prices for basic goods (likely), (4) governments buying (some) robot labour and offering the goods to citizens for free (likely).
If this is what happens, then this is not a free country.
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The title is a little bit misleading as the community version is still available and MIT licensed.

Maintaining an open source project like Nodemailer is tough work and I understand the author's approach. While open source is gratifying, it is very much an energy drain.

The pricing is inline with what 'Big Co.' would pay although I would consider email to be within reach of any respectable developer and not justifying a recurring 780euros/year. That's probably the "I'd rather do it myself" side of me talking rather than a pragmatic thought.

Best of luck to the maintainer Andris Reinman and many thanks for having brought Nodemailer where it is now.
We detached this flagged subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13453095.
Related discussions on border control:

U.S. government begins asking foreign travelers about social media

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13242620
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Capitalism is going away, no matter what, once we have massive unemployment due to automation.

You think people are just going to accept starvation? Shit will get real, real fast.

And most people aren't as articulate or reasonable as the people on this site.

There will be massive violence.

A better way to look at UBI is that it's not about giving poor people money. Its about keeping the fabric of society together and preventing revolutions once automation hits fully.
I agree, homelessness should be a national issue as part of our other care taking measures/movements (e.g. Single payer health care). That said, a solution is at your doorstep, when you have a desirable place to live, like SF, you have a ton of money flowing in which you can use to take care of folks with less means that want to live in the area. $50M a year isn't too bad and if you've got the support for the money, you ought to be able to get support for some high rises (money often being the harder thing to get support for). Buy a variety of locations, the good ones go to those showing improvements (e.g. getting off hard drugs, going to school). The mid to best spots should easily be better than a tent. Add some gardening programs and community related stuff (helps mental well being).

I'm in favor of the government supplying drugs with clean needless and massive disgusting adverts on the needles about how bad it is for you. Saves cost on aids and other diseases related to the problem. Bonus money if you can keep your friend clean. Try to help the community help itself. Stuff like that.

Also, I can think of lots of tech that would help the situation, but there isn't a profit motive, so it doesn't exist (yet).
Many civilized countries have some form of basic income, but not directly. As soon as we are supporting people, rent, food, we are providing some sort of basic income. An income that is probably to low, which they can get away with because it's not expressed in €.
Funny how all the proponents of a Universal 'Basic' Income aren't proposing instead to make every 'Basic' item 'Free'.

After all, if you believe their rhetoric, giving someone $500/mo should be the same as giving them free bread, eggs, milk, some clothes and some movie tickets.

I wonder why... Maybe, the reality is that over time our 'Basic' needs increase. In certain parts of the world shoes are still considered a luxury whereas in others, Nikes and Adidas are considered 'basic'. 50 years ago car ownership was a luxury even in most 'developed' nations, as were televisions. Now they're considered 'Basic'.

The reality is, the people touting UBI as a way forward suffer from having a thoroughly static and isolated view of the world. They fail to see that value creation is what's important, and drives society to further itself. As value creation goes up, the definition of 'basic' increases with it. I'm not for a minute advocating that the current system is anywhere near perfect - the wealthiest in our population are questionable value creators while at the same time there are value creators scraping by in the world so the way we reward people needs a rethink.

I don't profess to know how to solve the poverty crisis and I very much want it to be solved as a citizen of the world. What I do know is that the only way to do it will involve reforming education so that future generations are inspired to advance humankind and create value in the process.
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>I would imagine a car that looks like a Ferrari, but behaves like a Civic would feel ridiculous or out of place

You are correct...they do:

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https://www.google.com/search?q=opel+gt&espv=2&source=lnms&t...
I think the amount of food they can sell is limited by appetite. The only question is at what price point.
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