skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
This is a pretty well-constructed argument, despite the unnecessary invective at the end. It took me a while to figure out how to rebut it. (Therefore I upvoted you to counter expected downvotes.)

But I think it goes like this: there's a difference between not caring about something for a week and not talking about it. If, as you assume, for most of HN politics is "things that affect other people", then the primary objective of political discussions on HN should be to convince those people - not, say, to make the minority which is affected feel validated. My impression is that when people who are affected by something go and read a ton of Very Strong Opinions put forward by people who aren't, the result is usually more invalidating than validating; validation is important but is a purpose better served by more focused communities. Now, when it comes to convincing people, a constant barrage of discussions on the same topic is probably more unhelpful than helpful; at worst, pausing discussions for a week (which gives them time to reflect) is unlikely to be very harmful.

Notwithstanding that, some people may perceive the idea of taking a break as invalidating, because it reminds them of a generalization about the community (not affected) which does not apply to them. However, so far as it's an accurate generalization, this seems like it can't be helped. I suppose you could argue that it seems more accurate than it really is, since marginalized people are present but silenced…

Anyway, I think "things that affect other people" is an oversimplification to start with. A lot of the specific political topics people like to discuss on this site, like encryption/surveillance, have fairly little direct impact on pretty much any of us; others, like the economy, affect all of us to some extent, albeit some more than others.
> Facebook makes it incredibly easy to step outside our bubbles.

pfft. only if you don't compare it to any other non-walled-garden online communities.

it's places like HN (and many similar tiny islands of interest), I come for the comp.science news, and because of that it does NOT actively select for other criteria (just inherent bias) and I meet people with wildly different views than my own, and I can even expect to have a decent dialogue.

i don't even need to "like" their political values, but i can still upvote their tech expertise.

[ edit: LOL, I hadn't read dang's announcement about HN's political detox week, which pretty much runs exactly counter to what I just said, haha :) though I welcome the experiment and appreciate the irony of circumstance :-) ]

check out the "general discussion" subforum on any random webforum community on a topic that interests you.

it's all already intersecting by default!

and it's Facebook (Google too) taking a very active role crystallising the bubbles into walls. Don't just try to step outside your personal Facebook-bubble, for it's actively working against you. Step outside the big bubble of Facebook itself.
Then just say "we're censoring these posts because reasons kthxbye".

EDIT: Which HN is totally within its right to do.
Except "Eli, Eli, lama sabachtani" are Greek transliterations of Hebrew/Aramaic so... what does that sound like to you in German?
This is getting closer to the answer.
The syntax of your first example is so, so much easier to grok than the syntax of the second.
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Seriously, this will basically make lots of low skill workers redundant. Yes it fabulous innovation, but surely automation along these lines is dangerous for the fabric of society.
When I say this, I mean, whats the plan for dealing with all the lay offs caused by tech automation ?
[msft] Agree 100%. Focus on science, not scaffolding maintenance.

Sharing is basic now (ie unlisted-URL), but proper support (public/private/ro/etc) is coming soon.
Padding is included in sizeof.
Can we have a Javascript framework detox week the week after?
The first thing I ask a founder is how often does the target customer have the problem they are looking to solve and how much money are they willing to spend to solve it. The more often the customer has your problem and the more money they are willing to spend - the easier it will be (all other things being held equal) to get customers and iterate. Sequoia calls these problems hair on fire problems. The second thing I ask is who else is trying to solve the same problem and what do you know that they don't.
Education lowers the risk of dementia-says scientists
Out of curiosity, how are you planning on handling plating for vias and through-holes?

The desire to stop handling chemicals (I have no convenient means of proper disposal) has got me using the on-line prototype services for anything multi-layer (though I've thought about using my CNC mill for some simple single layer stuff).
I wish we could do this on the Internet for a week (or more).
Actually, what I said is consistent with your link: where wage and hour laws apply, you must pay at least minimum wage. Where they don't, you can charge for the service of training, provide it at no charge, or provide a stipend (which on a hourly basis may be less than the equivalent of minimum wage) along with it.
Managing information overload
So I didn't really know the Jesus story, just that it was when one of their gods was killed. But the text makes it a human event in which his friends suffer.

It even begins with him being a bit of a prig as his acolytes express their unhappiness. But then he himself expresses pathos (Meine Seele ist betr ̧bt bis an den Tod, bleibet hie und wachet mit mir.) The story becomes unfair. I really felt the unfairness of his trial.

It's a much more sympathetic story than, say, Plato's recitation of the death of Socrates, who comes off as a jerk.
> politics is war by other means

The actual quote is "war is the continuation of politics by other means". So according to that Prussian general from two centuries ago, when the politics stop, war begins.

> political emotions

It's actually political thought - an intellectual endeavour that is not only honourable and rewarding, but it is a sign of maturity. Getting involved in the administration of the society you live in is what separates adults from children.

> these harsher patterns can spread through the rest of the culture, threatening the community as a whole

What culture would that be? The one which censored a suicidal Ian Murdock because he had the audacity to type "nigger" in a tweet? The one which turned its collective back to a man in need, only to pat itself on the back afterwards because there was nothing that could be done?

> What Hacker News is: a place for stories that gratify intellectual curiosity and civil, substantive comments.

AKA: politics that you agree with. There's no escaping politics because there's no escaping conflict. You're imposing your side of the "gratifying" story through censorship and you rejoice in the civility of your echo chamber. May all your critics be hellbanned and all your opinions unchallenged!
Not sure what to think about this in the context of HN. I've seen other such stances in other communities where it just ends up being a way to enforce/preserve a political bias. Where some stories get a pass for special reasons "oh, this is noteworthy, and from a credible source!", it's just laughable. I hope this doesn't happen here.
Thanks for answering below!

About the quote, it kinds of depends on what do you mean by "want", but I understand and agree of your approach (while still disagreeing with the quote if that is possible).

BTW the quote is probably bogus, as the first Ford cars were slower than horses. 45km/h vs 88km/h (world record)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_A_(1903%E2%80%9304)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_gait
I hope that includes stories about alleged racism and sexism in the tech industry...
Well, in most small claims court cases they can't send a lawyer, and have to send an employee who is unfamiliar with the case, which for a company like Chase may mean flying in an employee and putting them up for a night or two.
I think dang and the other moderators are capable of making pretty good judgement calls.

It's often pretty obvious from the ensuing conversation what kind of post it is: are people discussing the politics, or the technical thing that's kind of related?
A forfeitable posted bond is not indentured servitude any more than student loans are. (EDIT: It's really just a way to prepay for training without falling afoul of wage laws.) Now, I would rather that such loans were harmonized with the bankruptcy law for other types of loans, but it's not servitude. (If it is, then there's a whole lot of people indentured to their bank for a house. Is that how far we want to expand this definition?)

Sure, the union-run apprenticeship represents the employee's interest - but only by excluding others from that position. If the only way you can get a license into a trade is to complete a union apprenticeship, then the union is effectively shutting out people from that trade. That's the complaint; not that it's bad for the apprentice, but rather that it's bad for those not permitted to be apprentices.
Definitely similar. I really love surge, and have too many static sites to pay the per-site costs to get SSL.
OpenAI is one of the tools that might be used to replace whole swaths of people from their jobs. How can it not be political?
I bet most commenters here have not been to China and have no idea what the real China is really like. They all eat everything given by mainstream media (AKA propaganda) such as NYTimes, Washington Post etc. which colluded with the Clintons and predicted Trump could never win.
Worth mentioning "Raspberry" in the title.
Politics (outside of those that affect tech) should have never been allowed in the first place. Any place where politics isn't specifically forbidden always degenerates into this sort of situation.
Hey folks - btw - I'll be in and out of the thread all day and I'll try to answer every question - so keep them coming and check back in :)
I can't answer for 'dang but I would definitely flag that post during a "political detox week".

Also: HN threads on that particular topic (statistical evidence for diversity in the industry and its impact) are invariably a shitshow here. I am guessing your political leanings w/r/t/ industry diversity are identical to mine, and I do not see what HN generally gains from the trolling and nastiness that occurs on "diversity as a phenomenon" threads.
The idea that you can somehow separate "political" from "non-political" stories seems poorly-thought-out and censorious. Who will make these decisions? It seems clear that many posts that are nominally "about tech and only tech" are pushing some political viewpoint, whether it be the benefits of mass computerization, workaholic tips and tricks, or protection from civil rights violations using encryption.

HN pretends to be largely apolitical, but the quick disappearance of certain threads or topics seems to show that it has a heavy slant towards a sort of techno-utopian quasi-libertarianism that wants to work its way out of challenges to its ideas by sort of putting its fingers in its ears. Instead of attempting to "depoliticize" itself, maybe HN should spend time developing a better understanding and clarification of the extremely political stance it takes every day?
It's those fat Goldman Sachs paydays.

No, here you go, actual reasons:

* Every cryptocurrency I’ve seen is a fractal scam at every level. When phrases along the lines of "a whole new form of money" and "the old rules don’t apply any more" start going around, people get gullible and the ethically-challenged get creative.

* Every cryptocurrency I’ve seen is a disastrous waste of resources and effort at every level – “proof of work” in particular is literally wasted to secure a distributed thing that should not be distributed, and which naturally recentralises anyway. (4 miners do 50% and 7 miners do 75% of Bitcoin, and 75% of hashing power is about to be in a single building.)

* Cryptocurrency advocates are frequently both strident and delusional about technology, economics, human nature and computer science itself.

* Bitcoin ideology is based on John Birch Society and Eustace Mullins conspiracy theories about central bankers, based on economic ideas which are most generously described as "not even wrong".

* Bitcoin advocates want a dot-com payday, where you get rich for free, only without even the step where you build an enterprise that does something that's useful to someone.

* Bitcoin advocates are almost universally either scammers, suckers or (best of all) suckers who think they're the scammer. Sorry, "early adopter". Pretty much everyone who got in after about 2012 is playing the role of "sucker" in the pump'n'dump. A "trustless" currency seems to attract people who absolutely cannot be trusted.

* Blockchains only approximately solve the problems they claim to (coordinating information amongst actors who distrust each other), and the approximation breaks down as they recentralise.

* Blockchains have no use cases outside cryptocurrencies, insofar as those count as a use case.

* Everything about cryptocurrencies is, in practice, a bad idea for pretty much anyone to be involved in, and warning people off it is a public service.

* I feel like it.

I've answered you. Now it's your turn to go back to my comment up there and point out which bits are factually inaccurate.
Someone saying "Angular 2 is terrible" really isn't that harsh.

If you're going to get all worked up over something that slight, maybe doing work in public isn't the way you want to spend your time.
> #17 Tell HN: Political Detox Week

I see what you did there
Good idea. However, PiCluster will work perfectly fine on regular x86 hardware.
One suspects that there's a great deal of variability in how a given death gets labelled as being due to "malnutrition" or something else. Or for example whether miscarriages due to poor nutritional health of the mother get labelled as "infant deaths" or not; etc.
C accounts for padding in the size of the individual type. By the time you do sizeof, it's already rounded up to where you can just do M*N. For example:

struct S {
long a;
char b;
};

On my computer (64-bit Mac), sizeof(struct S) is 16, due to 7 bytes of padding after b. Since the compiler handles the padding, that means calloc doesn't have to.
I don't have a lot to say, except that I support this measure and wanted to comment so that's in the record.
Na, I think we were mostly facing band congestion. Think an area of a few dozen square miles with three independent wireless providers all doing customer connections with 5ghz plus another country's border with other users of these bands again right next.

Probably unfair to blame it on the AF5X.

As for the weather, I would assume Southern Germany has as much in common with Florida as Switzerland with Hawaii. Snow is an issue but in LoS links it was never a big one. Only on 60/80 Gigahertz links, but those you can kill with a well placed wrapper of tinfoil anyway :)

Our DFS false positives were, since FCC reqs don't matter here, most likely due to congestion or Swiss mobile providers playing with nanocell setups or what not.

All in all I prefered Ubiquity over Mikrotik, Ruckus and Cambium. Mimosa I liked, too, but when it came down to it Ubiquity had the nicest features, the best build quality, the most accessible configuration and the best resulting links.

Not in the WISP biz anymore but I do enjoy talking shop. Did you try the Amplifi the article mentions yet? I have my Unifi setup at home and really don't think I will change it to something else, but I would love to try their first consumer product :)
With aws lambda elixir is less attractive to me. I wonder if anyone has similar thoughts?
Sure, bury your heads in the sand. Your country is taking a shortcut to Mad Max land, and there's not much to be done at this point anyway.
This'll be interesting. What defines "political topics"?

Is climate change news political? Edward Snowden news? Wikileaks? A new build of the Signal app? Hyperloop news?
It's Complicated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rail_gauge_world.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_gauge
http://www.goreading.net/Red%20Mars/24.html
Actually, the entire population disagrees with you, about something. The "realization" is that a lot of the things we disagree about, are actually kind of boring.
The "Angular 2 is Terrible" article was not a clik-bait and it wasn't exagerating, Angular 2 is indeed, terrible.
I thought the purpose of the Angular 2 is awful article was not to get the Angular 2 people to improve it but to make an argument for why people should not use it.

Just as in art you can say that there are technologies that you believe are not to your taste and ones that you believe are bad (and there can also be technologies that aside from these categories are also morally bad - AMP). Angular seems to me to be one of those technologies people often think are bad. In the interest of avoiding pointless argumentation (god I'm getting old!) I guess I won't put my opinion here.
(emphasis mine):

> The way it works is, we do our job and think about it a lot, and don't pay that much attention to other stuff, and when we think something is a good idea and finally get around to it, we do it.

I do sincerely believe the italicized last part.

I also suspect that nobody on the HN mod team thought that Trump would actually win. It was such a far off concept that planning for it and the ensuing gloating / division / trolling would have been laughable. If they did, they would have put more thought into stating this type of thing in advance as I'm pretty sure it's been suggested more than once over the past few months.
This isn't unique to open source software development. Anytime you're a public figure or a public company or otherwise working in some highly visible capacity, there are going to be haters in the building.

It doesn't matter what you do, you could say that you're against the strangulation and drowning of kittens and there would be someone(s) out there shouting to the sky that you should be shot in the head for saying so.

Fuck em! Ignore it. Move on.
Another big difference is that I'm not advocating for us to "repeat" that we should all be positive. It's not about public proclamation – it's about addressing individuals and their individual acts. That's what the communal discourse is made up of. Like you're saying, simply shouting "let's be nice" obviously doesn't work.

I'll add another thing to my list of suggestions: be really deliberate about educating people on the principle of charity. Instead of assuming that the other person is dumb/shortsighted/etc., assume that you're not giving their thinking enough credit.

> that's orthogonal to the inevitable formation of other communities

So what? Drive the downers out of JS-land, or whatever community you care about. You had been saying that even that shouldn't be bothered with. But if it can be accomplished, who cares if they all go off to learn Brainfuck, if that's the only community that will accept their behavior?
good lord. peter thiel's satan on earth for backing trump, not because he agrees with him, but because he views him as disruptive to a broken system. can't you see how "political" and unthoughful all that is?
This isn't a face/pissing contest.

Did I say that it was, or did you imagine it to be? I think it's instructive for people in the US to realize that our system has the same kind of flaws, and that the difference is just one of degree. In fact, I think it's dangerous for people in the US to be ignorant of these facts.
It's what the world needs right now.
Make Websites, Not Apps
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I've been talking to a friend about it and he mentioned using Elastic Search to build our own setup. Idk if it's the right use case though...
Of course, News doesn't stop rolling in, and people love their hacker news :)
I know I'm personally guilty of being really sensitive and reactive to anything that looks like censorship right now.
Thank you very much for attempting this experiment.

Notwithstanding the enormous influence the U.S. has on the world, as someone living in another country, I welcome this very much. In my opinion, HN shines when it comes to discussions of technology, it does an ok job when it comes to discussing scientific topics, but it tends to break out into parochial cliques (with full cultural blinders on) when discussing topics like politics. This is worst (again, imo) when this happens in comments on other topics; when it is the main topic, at least one can easily avoid it.
should be fired on the spot

Someone should lose their job for coming up with the idea in an attempt to increase the signal to noise ratio of the site?
If your feel your perspective gets marginalized, shouldn't you want to be able to convince others of what you believe to be true? Removing all political conversation will perpetuate the status quo.
>>> It was very important that everyone involved with building and designing the product was in the room experiencing the user test live.

Was there ever a point when you had too many cooks in the kitchen?
How about not using the words liberal/conservative/Democrat/ Republican/socialist/racist and discuss issues instead?
Is this because the HN preferred candidate lost? HN staff are upset and censor things in response?

I'm disappointed, if you can't handle politics how are you meant to disrupt an industry? Everything about our industry is political.. how are we meant to navigate our world if we can't debate one of the most defining aspects of it.

If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. Don't censor important relevant discussions because of your emotions! You are failing your community
Create your first Atom editor package
Just because someone tells you the truth, it doesn't mean they are telling you the whole truth. I find this especially applicable in business. Companies the size and value of YC, I can easily see how we might get half the story sometimes. That was the basis of my question, I was skeptical about the reason dang gave hence the question.
I think it's plenty relevant that the US has the same kinds of flaws in its system, and that the differences are really differences in degree and not kind. (As large as those differences in degree might be in certain places.) I think that's a very important bit of perspective.
Politics is even more about how society wants resources to be allocated than it is about how they are allocated. That makes it an important and all-pervasive topic
Hmm...I do not see in those links where a sub-minimum stipend is allowed except in the case of high school vocational training. Can you quote it? (Criteria #6 appears to indicate no wages permitted.)
Excellent decision. You only need to look at what happened on reddit in /r/politics or /r/the_donald. The polarization is poison for creating a shared culture for intelligent discussion of topical issues. To be sure - these debates are important - but it's not like there's a shortage of forums that do cater to this stuff.
I don't know why people seem so eager for Taiwan to join - or at least not upset - China. Look at Hong Kong.
[msft] Hi dnfromufa. Actually the decision to go with linux/docker was purely because, (at least) at that time, container mgmt was better on linux. In fact Azure ML backends run Windows and you can use notebooks to build ML models, then deploy to windows backends. Thank you Python & Anaconda xplat support!

RE Jupyterhub on Windows - if enough customers want it, I'm sure it can be done. Not convinced the demand is there yet. If you have data I'd love to see it!

Thanks.
Ambitious! What kind of propulsion system will it have? How far did you get at this point? Where are you based?