skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Most of the guards, the support personnel, all the people necessary to bring the Jews (and others) to the camps (capturing, transporting) did not have to kill anyone, but they were part of a system that is responsible for the death of +/- 7 million people. You just needed the killers to do the actual killing, but the industrialized process lowered the required number of people.

As for “local angry mobs to kill their fellow Jewish citizens”, do you have any source for it? I think it’s the first time I hear about it. Even so it would have been a limited number of people, compared to the number killed in the camps.
If you don't mind Linux, https://system76.com/laptops has some great machines - the Oryx Pro is a pretty slim, aluminium laptop with much more performance per buck than the MBP.
NeverSSL
This is supposed to be a discussion of MBP alternatives. There are plenty of other threads to discuss the merits of the new Macs.
Well, the categories which the MBP is supposedly targeted to: graphic/web designers, photographers, musicians, artists, filmmakers and makers of any kind. Of course that includes developers.

Seems to me that the new features appeal more to the casual user who uses its laptop for leisure (your [x]) than the professional.
copying my comment from here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12832547

You can buy a dell xps 15 today that comes with: 3840 x 2160 display / 1tb pcie solid state disk / nvidia gtx 960m (crucial for developing cuda programs and prototyping deep learning on your laptop) / 32g ram. For $2340 (ten percent off coupon at the top of the page). I'm not sure if this link will work: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-15-9550-la...

And this thing comes with regular usb ports and an hdmi port instead of usb-c nonsense so I don't have to immediately drop $250 in dongles just to keep the capabilities I already have. (And one usb-c port).

here's a detailed guide to getting with ubuntu from a year ago: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2301071

it appears that it only works modestly well. So if you buy this, you're probably going to have to live with Windows or the issues in the above thread.

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My personal plan is to buy a 1-ish year old mac and cross my fingers that someone builds a well-supported powerful linux laptop by 2018. Good sleep/power management support seems to be a common problem.
Massive tip if you decide to stay with a < 2015 MacBook Pro.

Open up the laptop and reapply the thermal paste on the CPU with something high quality like Arctic Silver. It really needs redoing after 1-2 years. This will result in a significant improvement to overall performance. Why ? Because when OSX detects that the laptop is overheating it schedules a dummy task e.g. secd or kernel_task to throttle the CPU. Cool the laptop and the throttling stops. Use iStat Menus or top to check for the process.

Takes all of 10 minutes and iFixit can guide you through it. As much of a performance difference as going from HDD->SSD. The other most vital thing to do on OSX since all of the daemons result in lots of random reads (check fs_usage).
> The thing is - I know perfectly well that fixing this isn't just more CPU and more memory

Just because Apple choose not release a version with gen 7cpu /32GB/1TB at this time?

Will you "know perfectly well" otherwise if such a machine does become available in say six months? What if it turns out (just a thought experiment here) that you can upgrade the memory and ssd yourself?
I loved this, thanks for sharing!
You should checkout hyper https://hyper.is/
Important corrections:

- Lenovo's ThinkPad line has decent laptops. Lenovo's more popular line, Ideapad, which are branded just "Lenovo", are terrible.

- Dell XPS series are good, but if you're looking to run Linux on them, make sure to get the Developer Editions
Everyone seems to be saying the specs are bad, but what exactly is everyone upset about? (Genuine question) You can configure it with the Radeon 460, which seems like a top-end chip [1]. Apple's slideshow shows it being 1.8X faster than then 450. You can configure it with a 2.9 GHz, quad-core i7 with boost up to 3.8 GHz, which seems pretty top-end for a mobile chip, and it's not like 2.9/3.5 GHz is that bad. So it's last-year's generation, it's not like the one released last month is a huge leap ahead. Besides, as a developer, I'm rarely CPU constrained even on my 2009 laptop, unless I'm doing Swift in Xcode or RAW photo editing. You can get 1TB or even 2TB SSD. The only thing you can't get is over 16 GB of RAM, and mitchty's post suggests it is because of CPU/chipset limitations.

So what more does everyone (not just HN) think Apple should be offering?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processin...
Are subscribers or submitters pre screened? Or both?
> Some people seem to think that the MacBook is only for developers and Apple is obliged to listen to only their feedback. News flash: world doesn't revolve around hacker news.

News flash. Developers are the ones that make a platform worth investing into. Where there's a thriving community of devs, there are interesting useful apps, new ideas, investments and research.
One thing I never liked about my Macbook is that there is no option for a matte screen. So I consider switching and finally getting a matte one now:

http://www.productchart.com/laptops/sets/1

I will replace Windows with Linux. I heard Thinkpads are good for this. But the Dell XPS series looks very compelling too.
razor sells in the uk and other markets too www.razerzone.com but they cost an arm and a leg
>No, none of the big 5 are capable anymore.

I mostly agree, but seen some of Google's acquisitions and what they're doing now? Boston Dynamics are making some huge strides in robotic motion.
My guess is there may be decent sales around thanksgiving as vendors look to clear last year's stock. I'm mostly hoping saner people prevail at apple too. Or you could learn to type on an ipad, which is clearly the future of computing!
Can you elaborate? Why are the Ideapads terrible? Why get a Developer Edition?
PHPStorm is one of the best things that ever happened to PHP.

Not sure if they still do but JetBrains used to offer its IDEs for free to open source developers.
I'm absolutely loving my SP4 as my main laptop for a couple of months. It has enough juice to be able to do most things well, amazing display and weighs like nothing.
Currently per the article states, the Emacs GUI uses a lot of hacks to display like a terminal. Because of this a lot of things like real smooth scrolling doesn't work like most text editors. Highlighting text with a mouse for example just doesn't feel right. I know people will say who uses a mouse to operate Emacs anyway but there are plenty of other scenarios that makes Emacs feel somewhat ancient, which it doesn't have to be. I don't use Linux DE a lot to know all of the quirks but on OS X when Emacs go full screen there are still black borders, etc. Imagine the possibilities of having a non-text only modeline for example, the ability to render pdf and modern JS/CSS websites, etc.
I use iTerm daily but I don't think I get it. What makes iTerm so great?
They also get royalties for every accessory sold with Lightning, I imagine.
I really hate that commit message style. Lots of content that can be auto generated, little explanation :(. Not the authored fault, but I really don't understand why so many gnu projects still do this.
What made the MB "Pro", if memory serves right, it was filled with components that represented the state of the art when it was released. Best screen, latest generation of CPU, PCIe SSDs, etc... The best you could possibly get, in a sturdy, well designed machine, coming with an OS that just works.

In 2013, some company even found that the best performing Windows laptop was a MBP (!). [1]

[1]: http://www.zdnet.com/article/want-the-most-reliable-windows-...
Is this specific to certain years only? I have a 2012 non-retina and it is great, but apparently certain years had more problems than others. Would you recommend it for my 2012 model too?
Google are selling Boston Dynamics.
All you're going to need is a bunch of USB C cables, one for each standard that is used with this plug.
I've gotta say. I'd use that device (on your [2] link) way more than my phone. Well... I wouldn't use it as a phone, but still.
some of the Asus machines are pretty good - I had good experiences with a non-ultrabook laptop for the past 5 years.

most of the issues I read about with Asus is regarding the build quality of their ultrabooks (the hinge in particular) and screen issues (yellow cast on some models). Other than that, all Asus stuff I used are good quality and at least my local support is good.
iirc the developer edition uses some components from other manufacturers than the standard edition. This is because of driver issues on linux.
Lots of public wifi setups will only work if you visit an http page first. Because they rely on MITMing your connection to display a login/terms agreement page.
In this context, I would say that there is no need for profanity. I wasn't questioning the invention of profanity itself.

You sound an angry person.
"Ephesians be rich. There is no greater curse"
Heraclitus
I don't think he expected anything more than what's currently happening to Apple. I think, on the contrary, Steve picked Tim knowing full well that it was the best card he could play for the company, being aware that since "his" Apple would fade away anyways, he might as well have an operations genius run the show to keep Apple burning until all that's left are ashes.
P50s is just dual-core.

P50 is quite thick, 24-29mm. I'm using T440p and the height is a bit annoying when typing.

In addition to the missing quad-core slim models, another annoyance with Lenovo is that at least the online configurators are still offering just 512GB SSD. It is of course possible to throw in what you want, but if it is not official Lenovo stuff, then it is not covered by the onsite warranty.
Saner people did prevail at Apple. That's why for a laptop that typically lasts 5+ years they went with USB-C to replace the other dozen antiquated ports.
I mostly used Macs for about ten years, but I don't like the direction the ecosystem is taking (cloud, app store, etc.), so recently switched to an XPS 13 (developer edition) running Ubuntu. (I actually also gave an SP4 a good chance for a few months, but couldn't get on with Windows.) It's pretty decent (both the laptop and Ubuntu) - sometimes wish the display was brighter or speakers louder, but depends on the environment. Nice size, bit heavy, but feels solid. Wifi was a bit dodgy before updating to 16.10 - seems fine now though. The HD screen is nice (once you change the scale setting; there's a problem with the touch screen not working after sleep though). I've never been much of a keyboard snob, but this keyboard is so much nicer than a MBA.
I'm very interested in this, is there anything that really feels like it gets in your way? I'm planning a setup that I'll need windows on and I'm considering not bothering with dual booting and just using this.
not terrible, just thinkpads are built for professionals and can generally take more punishment before they break. I'd assume they also use better compoenents.
Is that because they are selling laptops without Ethernet? We may be confusing the effect with the cause.
Jetbrains are my IDE of choice, I started with phpStorm when I was doing webdev and have used most flavours during my studies - I recommend anyone studying to give this offer a try it is incredible value.

Edit: I'd like to add all that's needed to get the student licence is a valid university email, at least for myself.
Lenovo has (at least) two lines of laptop products, one consumer and one enterprise.

The consumer line is shit. It's branded just "Lenovo", but Lenovo themselves call it "IdeaPad".

The enterprise line is good. It's branded "ThinkPad", or "Lenovo ThinkPad", and every unit in this line is bound to have the label "ThinkPad" on its body prominently displayed. The two series of laptops your parent referred to are both ThinkPad series.

And the sketchy stuff you refer to all happened in the IdeaPad line, no ThinkPads were affected. Lenovo has historically run the ThinkPad division separately with some autonomy granted.
To be fair, Apple's last 3-4 Quarters have been huge consecutive disappointments, and this line up was their last chance to turn that around I believe. And they've clearly failed. Who will pay $1,500 on a laptop that has second-grade components, a rather standard keyboard, etc. etc.

Heck, Asus' Zenbook 3 line costs around $1500 and it has the best possible components, better screen, better keyboard, better everything.
you'll have to sacrifice battery life for more memory

Or get a bigger battery. Not all laptops are stuck with a non-removable battery that must fit a certain size.
Not sure what you mean, I don't think a "Compose" key is a concept in macOS.
Microsoft is innovative because you can now purchase a dedicated hardware peripheral for some software feature the touchscreen was designed to replace.

Let's completely forget that Microsoft 'upgrades' your OS without your permission, spies on you, embeds ads into the Start Menu, and their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. In my opinion, these are actual reasons a company should completely fail and dissolve.

I'll stick with Apple who, though not without faults, works hard to:

- build quality machines that seemingly never wanes in performance while provide enduring support that make them last so much longer than their competitors that it shifts the arithmetic when comparing the YoY cost of their wares to their competition

- secure the integrity of my machine and my privacy

- deliver industry-leading user experience

Apple isn't perfect. The 1st-gen Magic Mouse (I haven't tried the 2nd gen) is utter garbage. Some iOS 10 UX are inconsistent and flawed. They probably should have included a USB-C - Lightning cable in with their new iPhones.

But let's all calm down. Apple is still a cut above. USB-C connected peripherals will likely storm into the marketplace. You'll probably get the new MBP. If you really can't handle the dongles, get the 2nd to latest version. It'll last you more than 4 years easily. If you're the type to get a new model every year: either you work very closely with the MBP hardware itself or you need to re-examine your life.
PC Specialist, Schenker and Tuxedo sell machines based on the same barebones. These are probably cheaper for !US people.
The thinkpads have a long, long history of working well with linux and bsd, too long for it to be a coincidence. The ideapads... don't.

"Developer Edition" is Dell's corporatespeak for "we made sure this works with linux".
I think the main difference with the developer edition is that it comes with an Intel wireless card. Also maybe some different BIOS settings. And obviously Ubuntu preinstalled.
Just will left it here https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-book
Why "better"?
A keyboard that doesn't feel like typing on an iPad ?!
I am struggling to understand how mbp owners are planning to code or write documents on that keyboard.

while this is butterfly-v2, not v1, reviewers seems to agree that it's still a "butterfly" keyboard with extremely little travel space.

also, nice to have: sd reader, hdmi, esc-button.
Opportunities:

- A Thunderbolt 3 dock that has all the missing ports in new MacBook Pro

- Lenovo, HP, Asus release properly supported notebook with Linux similar to Dell XPS Developer edition. Makes desktop Linux available across PC industries.

- Microsoft release Surface Pro and Surface Book with Mubuntu (MS version of Ubuntu, since MS already has working relationship with Canonical)

- Cloud service via emulator that allows developer to build, test and submit iOS apps without actually owning a Mac

- Google release Pixel Book which runs a brand new OS that is ChromeOS+Android hybrid.

We need:

- Adobe releases Photoshop & Lightroom for Linux

- Microsoft releases Office for Linux

- A few major games for Linux. Makes Linux a game platform.

- One or two major Mac developers develop for Linux

- More developer using Electron and React Native for Ubuntu

But we will be back to the same by spring 2017 when Apple refreshes MacBook Pro with new CPU and cheaper price.
The IdeaPads I had were not of low quality. They are plastic through and through, but high quality plastic. They feel reasonably solid and a reasonably priced.

Obviously they are not carved from a solid block of magnesium alloy, like ThinkPads used to be.
Something that we use at my job is Looker (https://looker.com/). While it's not open-source or free, I didn't know about the product until I joined and I love their features for data visualization and running ad-hoc queries. We just set a read-only user named 'looker' and its good to go. :)

Disclaimer: I'm not a Looker employee or anything, just a happy user of their product.
I just checked, they still do for core members of open source projects:

https://www.jetbrains.com/buy/opensource/
I know, and how much FOSS bashing have they received for their ideas?
Yep, as soon I've found about him, I've checked out the documentary series, it should be viewed in schools. But that would probably be bad for business as it's not OK for masses to be aware of the techniques.
What is so special about iTerm? Features, font rendering?

For features and portability, I can warmly recommend SecureCRT[0], you won't find a more capable terminal app anywhere.

[0] https://www.vandyke.com/products/securecrt/index.html
With IdeaPads it's just totally model dependent. Some models work great with Linux, some don't work at all.
History of philosophy, “without any gaps.”
You should check out the dell percision series.

http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/precision-m5510-workstatio...
I'm surprised to see an article on Mashable with negative opinion about Apple. Mashable and the likes are usually big Apple supporters.
Or remap Caps Lock as Escape with Seil (which I just discovered)
How is it different to Metabase? They look like they do very similar things. Can I ask why you are using both?
Even if that was a hard rule, the headline has been altered. Original headline is "Spotify killing my SSD"
I know multiple well-adjusted, happily married entrepreneurs.

They went through many-year periods of extreme stress, week-to-week "will I have to close shop this week" trials, and 0 vacation when starting their business.

Before starting the business, each one had really good relationships. Solidly built. Years invested in each other. A good community of friends who actually cared for each other. They'd weathered other storms of life before. They knew when focus was needed on the relationships, and trusted that the business would work out.

They came out with some scars. But are now in a better spot then ever.

Sounds like you may not have had that.
> Why are the Ideapads terrible?

I was speaking from past experience and my frustration at the poor build quality, poor management, and all the creepy stuff Lenovo has done to laptops in the Ideapad line (Superfish, Win10-only SSD (which they recently backed down from) etc.)

Beyond me, others would tell you that IdeaPad is Lenovo's consumer laptop line, and as such it sees less quality put into it.

> Why get a Developer Edition?

Because those units are built for Linux compatibility, while non–Developer Edition units are hit-and-miss.
> People complain about 16GB RAM. Does your current MPB has more?

That's the point - the new generation should allow for more than previous. Why would be your motivation for purchase, to get exactly the same thing you have now?
> great touchpads

That's it. I could live without most of what Apple laptops offer, but the touchpads are the selling point for me. I just love them. They actually WORK. I haven't found a single Windows laptop that have an equally great touchpad. The Dell touchpads certainly don't, they are very sensitive to "palm" presses.
Are there any good ones out there?
I'm quite in shape, and yet I also find it tiring to lug around a laptop to and from work. There's a big difference between carrying a few pounds in body weight, and carrying it concentrated on one shoulder.

(A backpack would probably feel better than a messenger bag, but my local train line is often too crowded to carry a backpack)
There's stuff like this: https://ergodox-ez.com/

Or this: https://shop.keyboard.io/

You can get keyboard without a numpad and add a Filco TenKeyPad to the mix.

Navigation keys on the left would be cool. But I'm also really happy with a default tenkeyless. I think that fact that they mostly look the same is good. Like most electric guitars look like Stratocasters or Les Pauls. But then I'm not a big fan of novelty in design in general.

There are people who build their own keyboards using mechanical switches in interesting designs.

Freaks.
Errmm... It's a "facebook" messenger bot, I don't think you can use it without logging in.

But yup, I should provide a description here - so shall do it asap :)
The series looks at the ideas, lives and historical context of the major philosophers as well as the lesser-known figures of the tradition.

Episodes 1 - 14: The Presocratics

1 - Everything is Full of Gods: Thales
2 - Infinity and Beyond: Anaximander and Anaximenes
3 - Created In Our Image: Xenophanes Against Greek Religion
4 - The Man With The Golden Thigh: Pythagoras
5 - Old Man River: Heraclitus
6 - MM McCabe on Heraclitus
7 - The Road Less Traveled: Parmenides
8 - You Can't Get There From Here: Zeno and Melissus
9 - The Final Cut: Democritus and Leucippus
10 - Mind Over Mixture: Anaxagoras
11 - All You Need is Love, and Five Other Things: Empedocles
12 - Malcolm Schofield on the Presocratics
13 - Good Humor Men: the Hippocratics
14 - Making the Weaker Argument the Stronger: the Sophists
Episodes 15 - 33: Socrates and Plato

15 - Socrates without Plato: the Accounts of Aristophanes and Xenophon
I am a pretty successful bootstrapped software engineer by most standards, and I disagree with most of the things you wrote, besides the wife bit (I'm not married). I've had pretty positive experiences pretty much the whole way through.

I hope you find people who love and support you, and a project to work on that doesn't make you hate those around you.

“Folks are usually about as happy as they make their minds up to be.”

― Abraham Lincoln
This is a general issue affecting lots of notebooks from all vendors.
> You can't build an app for iOS or OSX on a Windows or a Linux machine

Well actually you can, when using something like Xamarin which has worked pretty well for our company. Sure, somewhere you need a Mac build machine, but that can be an older generation mac mini or similar. The development can be done on Windows using Visual Studio and C# which overall is a pretty great experience with the added benefit of sharing a large percentage of the codebase with the native android version of your app.
Not sure. But I suspect it is in the more recent years where the thinner unibody has been required to take on more of the cooling duties. So if you are like me and use your laptop on the bed, on your lap etc then you are by design preventing the laptop from cooling properly.

Everything I've seen says thermal paste is only effective at most a couple of years. It is harder to replace on your 2012 model but not difficult:

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Unibody+Mid...
Why should I, iTerm is native app, this is JS.
The GPUs were never state of the art on Mac laptops, and they don't matter for those that just use iTerm + Emacs/Vi.
For me a downside of Elementary OS is that, like all Ubuntu-based distros, I've found installing it on my apple hardware to be such a pain. Fedora-based distros on the other hand have worked wonderfully out of the box. If I were to advise a friend on which distro to install on their MacBook, I'd recommend the beautiful Fedora-based Korora over Elementary OS any day.
https://kororaproject.org/