"The party in china does not kill people. You say it does, but there are no reports saying that. You've just bought into propaganda."

And where there is no free press to report any killings where would such reports come from? By this logic there were no gulags in the Soviet union because the Soviet press didn't report it and there were only a few dissidents claiming that these hellholes exist.

If you think the Party is so benevolent why don't you try criticising them openly? You'd see the secret police turn up soon enough (as the Tibetans found out , but that is propaganda by enemies too and the Tibetans really love Chinese rule? ) and you would be "re educated")

"In china, there is very little violence. If the country were loosened up, there WILL be violence."

When the mafia are the rulers, there is little street level violence. That is one way to cut down the violence. Just make thugs your overlords.

You have an infallible crystal ball? The "WILL" sounded very emphatic. Germany seemed to break down the wall with little violence. As someone said above Taiwan is your counter example. Democracy, a free press, a flourishing economy, elections and all without the Communist Thought Police.

"If you want that freedom, are YOU going to go live in the midst of the violence? Or do you just want to condemn people to it, while you sit at your computer?"

India has a lot of violence (as does the United States).I do live in India. So either India is a very violent place and I am living in the midst of it or you are just blowing smoke and violence is rare and India is largely peaceful, with very nasty things occasionally happening (and reported by a free press and television network, even to people, even foreigners who would use this to condemn the government).

You can't have it both ways.

India is very imperfect. There is violence. But, India today is much better than 60 years ago under the British Raj. It will be better in the future. And all this with elections happening every 5 years, with governments having to listen to people and try to better their lot, no matter how politicians may dream of being dictators and doing what they feel like and liquidating their opponents.

That said, I would never live in a dictatorship where some thugs with a defunct ideology tried to dictate how I would think and speak. When the government does the wrong thing I condemn it. I have newspapers report it. Courts rule against the government. People vote out governments and parties. I have the freedom to do so. Do the Chinese?

I would never ever trade security for a dictatorship. It seems you would. Fine. Just don't get so righteous about it and insist we go along with you.

"the EU killed millions of people in gas chambers, "

Wrong analogy. The right analogy would be if the Nazis won WW2, carried out the cleansing of dissidents and Jews (and gypsies and intellectuals and homosexuals ) 50 years ago, established a "pure" germany and their successors cleaned up their act and wore business suits and focussed on economic growth while still killing/sentencing to life imprisonment/"re educating" anyone who resists them and the Germans lived under a constant barrage of propaganda about how the evil outsiders were trying to derail the glorious Nazi Reich.

In that alternate world there would still be people who profit off the Nazi system and argue that all the violence happened in "those days, long agi " and the present day Nazis were very benevolent and unspeakable chaos would result if democracy came to Germany (just look at the violence in the democratic United States compared with the Peace and Stability in the Third Reich, Oh Horror!).

Unlike the fascists who lost WW2 and the Russian dictators who fell 50 years later, the Chinese Communists are the nasties who won. I admire their resilience while not blinding myself with any delusions about the purity of their intentions or their supposed benevolence. Thugs with guns are the same everywhere.