skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
That point was debated a bit around the Quebec independence referendum as well. Is a 51% vote enough of a mandate to leave? If so, would a 51% vote in the other direction a few years later be enough of a mandate to rejoin? You have a weird unstable situation if support really is close to exactly evenly divided, and stays that way. The pure majoritarian outcome would be that you oscillate between trying to leave and trying to join every few years, vaguely like what happened in Greece 100 years ago when they voted in a referendum to abolish, then reinstate, then abolish, then reinstate the monarchy, the pro- and anti-monarchist forces holding a new referendum every time it looked like public opinion was trending back in their direction. In practice it seems then the really big power comes in choosing when/whether to hold a referendum, e.g. if the Quebec referendum had come out 51-49% in favor of leave, independent Quebec would probably avoid as much as possible allowing a "rejoin Canada" referendum to ever be held, lest it come out 51-49% in the other direction.

Probably some mathematical voting theory person has formalized this kind of question in terms of something like sampling and stable outcomes, but I'm not quite sure what keywords to look for there.
"For the agreement to enter into force it needs to be approved by at least 72 percent of the continuing member states" [0].

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_withdrawal_from...
> "We will fuck UK over"

Has the EU actually said this or is this just what people on the internet are assuming?
Yes, and we also have grade inflation - we used to mark on an A-E scale but now we have an A* too. BBC article, with interesting graphs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11012369
The discussions happened. Democracy played out. We lost.
Of course. Civilisation is built with wars and by killing those who don't share the values of the majority. Why? Because if you don't do it, somebody else will do it to you. As simple as that.

Pacifists are nuts.
Isn't this totally anti-democracy? Despite it not being legally binding, it seems totally in contrary to the people's will. I don't understand positively talking about going opposite of what people voted for.

It seems especially odd since it's usually the Leave side that's accused of being fascist.

Or is the idea to do more polling until a favourable outcome is received?
> You could also make the counterargument that older voters are wiser and have more experience and can make more sound decisions about the future of their country and should therefore have a heavier influence.

Yes, but it's a different argument for a different system or principle.

i.e., the democratic principle is that one can influence the governance of oneself, whether directly or indirectly, you vote on the governance of the society you live in. Rule of the people.

In line with that principle is his suggestion to weight vote by age. i.e., as a proxy for the duration or degree to which you'll live in said society under any given proposed policy, is heavier for young people than old people, simply because young people live longer in these societies under these policies, on average. Such that these people who live 'more' under this policy, could be argued to deserve a bigger influence. In the same way that I as a European can't and shouldn't be able to vote on US domestic policy because I don't live there, and in the same way there've been (pipedream) ideas for the world to receive a minor vote in US (foreign) policy, because they're subjected to it so much. It's all in line with democratic principles.

Your argument is a valid one, too, but it's linked on another principle, a more technocratic one i.e. those who are educated ought to govern. That's not a very democratic principle (although I'm not ruling it out on that basis, democracy is imo the least worst system, not a system to be blindly put on a permanent pedestal).

By and large I think people tend to favour the former (democratic) over the latter (technocratic) principle. And within that context, a minor degree of age-weighing makes some sense, on paper.

In practice it's hard to execute, easy to abuse, and merely captures a democratic proxy. i.e. you don't get to weigh in young people who die early, who migrate, and if you do weigh things, how much would young people get a bonus for, 5%? 10%? It becomes an impossible political game that I don't think makes sense in the real world, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Paying for votes I think is a terrible idea by the way. About making the proportion of caring matter, I think you may realise there's already something basic like that, which is deciding whether to vote or not in the first place. We've seen time and time again, votes going differently from the polls, because people who got approached on the phone had an opinion but couldn't care enough to exercise it with effort by voting.
It turns out this new feature doesn't play nicely with how the caching system works. I know what the fix is and should get things working later this evening.
> "Well, they are suggested by the democratically elected governments of the member states and either accepted or rejected by the democratically elected European Parliament."

We're not talking about some inconsequential civil servants, we're talking about the leaders of the EU. If you want to call the EU a democratic entity, you should at least be able to vote for who runs it.

> "As they should, they are to work in the interests of the EU, not a single member state. German ministers are also required to serve the whole federal republic appealing to individual states is not looked upon very favorably."

The point I was making is that they aren't placed to represent the will of the people that put them in power. They represent whatever pushes the agenda of the EU forward, regardless of whether that serves the member states or not.

> "Hopefully we can solve at least some of the issues with corruption and lobbying when the most corrupt country in the world[1], which has worked against workers’ rights and increased regulation to ensure public health and safety in the EU for the last four decades, leaves."

Best of luck with that, with the lobbying machinery that exists in the EU you're going to need it. There are over 30,000 lobbyists in Brussels, in terms of volume it's second only to Washington DC.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/08/lobbyists-euro...
> It's a sad day for the UK's younger generation who voted overwhelmingly to stay, the older generation

Implying not all votes are equal.

> who will depend for their bread and butter on the younger ones has just made their life a lot harder.

Or rely on their pension they've worked their entire lives for, which having remained in the EU would be more at risk.
Thanks for putting this list together!
In both the US general election and this referendum, the primary forces at play are emotive campaigning backed by false or at the very least misleading information (in our case: portrayal of immigrants, the '£350m a week' figure that has already had some very serious backpeddling, etc. etc.). We have an electorate that is woefully misinformed for a whole host of reasons. How you address this is beyond me.
I like the ideal. But in reality, it seems to be just empty words.
We signed a treaty, as did the rest of the EU; we will comply with that treaty and they should too. And according to the treaty it's us who kick off the article 50 process. If the EU doesn't believe in following its own treaties then what is it even for?
Actually that's "moot point": http://www.dictionary.com/browse/moot-point

But yes, the number of variant perspectives on OOP make it a less descriptive term than would be ideal.
I took it to imply that the youth will have to live with the consequences of this vote for a much longer time period than the majority of folks who voted to leave.
> Now, I understand that in many cases some of the complexity is now being outsourced to others who maintain the containers

We have a winner.

Containers in the end looks to management and developers as a means of outsourcing those pesky sysadmins that always get in the way of dreaming big.

Its not without reason why devops and containerization seems to go hand in hand, as both are pretty much about neutering or sidelining the sysadmin role.
"if he let the people decide on such a super topic as leave/remain in the EU"

That was a popular demand by the public as the UK hadn't had a referendum on EU membership in 40 years.
He made a promise to hold the referendum because of this and fulfilled his promise. If a politician keeping a promise is a problem, then we're all doomed
I don't really understand the immigration situation. I know "uncontrolled EU migration" was the focal point of the leave campaign, but if the UK has not been part of the Schengen Area, then what controls did the UK lack?

Also, I thought the way immigration numbers were used in the debate was appalling. If I remember correctly:

- The UK deals with 300,000 immigrants per year, of which 50% from inside the EU.

- The immigration target set by the government was 20,000 per year.

- That means the UK government was already allowing 150,000 of non-EU migrants in the country. And for these migrants, the UK does have full control.

How come everyone in the UK accepted this rationale as a valid argument against the EU, instead of a failure of the UK government?
Bimatoprost for eyelashes
See, when I'm traveling from Berlin to Poland I have no delay. I only notice the border because speed limits are now different. I do that on a regular basis. Last time I traveled to the UK I actually had to wait in line to show my ID. It's less of a hassle than crossing the border between Botswana and Namibia, but more than between Ger/PL. It does take noticeable time. There are people commuting across the border in many regions of europe and for them, 10 minutes every morning do add up.
I tend to agree with that also for US companies. Many US companies already have their European branch based in Ireland. It is closer to US and they share the same language. For middle eastern and Asian, they'll probably go to Germany.
> If he hadn't promised a referendum the party would've split down the middle.

And now you have a country split down the middle.
Did this link get so many upvotes because we want the same ageism that's in tech to be in politics and government?
> My 94 year old grandfather flew a spitfire in WW2 and voted in he said precisely because he remembers the mess the UK was in before joining the union - the British economy and infrastructure was in a sorry state in the 70s.

That was due to Labour's insane economic policies and the Tories failure to fix them. It wasn't until Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister that the UK started to be well-run again.
Similarly with Noscript.
my girlfriend used it for 3 month and the result was awsome
Making that promise was an error in the first place
And how do you grade the test? Certainly if there was objective criteria for what would happen in this case (In/Out), there'd be no need for a vote at all!

On top of that, why shouldn't someone be able to vote on the basis of purely not wanting to be in the EU? Or voting with someone based on their perceived moral value? Or any other criteria?

I'm hardly pro-democracy, but this doesn't seem like a democratic solution.
> The problem we currently have in politics it demography.

I misread that as "demagoguery", and was going to vigorously agree.
It suffices to look at how they behaved themselves and continue to behave themselves while trying to shove TTIP down our throats. They are nothing more than a front for corporate lobbyists to write legislation to suit themselves.

As for the EP. 1. It is composed of amateur politicians. 2. They are effectively powerless. 3. They can easily be bought.
I used to read about countries where it was a common practice to pay bribe money to be given a job, and think how awful that was.

Now I live in a country that buries its youth in debt that can't be discharged through bankruptcy, to pay for an increasingly ineffective education, to get a job almost anyone could do, that lists higher education as a requirement when it really doesn't have to.

If you zoom out to the big picture, it's almost as if employment in the US is becoming a pay-to-play system.
I've got a background in machine learning (NLP, and a little bit of vision) and electrical engineering, but I know very little about biology. Essentially, all I know is a working knowledge based on what I remember from high school. However, I'm incredibly fascinated by some of these recent developments in making biology more computational! I've started working through some Coursera courses on bioinformatics systems biology, and have been totally engrossed so far!

I noticed that the Parker Institute is a non-profit? I was curious what kind of ramp-up path you offer people like me, with a background in ML, and are excited to learn some more biology if they join the team? Since you're a non-profit, I was wondering if there'd be any interest in helping to curate a bunch of links/resources/etc. so people like me can learn and ramp-up in our spare time? I guess I'm wondering if it's difficult to hire for this role. So maybe other non-profits, e.g. J. Craig Venter Institute may also be interested in helping to curate these resources to help increase supply of possible hires?
>"that older people seemingly looked to their own interests and not those of the people who will have to live through it more."

You're making assumptions there as to peoples' individual motivations. Just because someone voted in a way that you deem is not in the best interests of another group doesn't mean that they didn't have that group's best interest in mind.

I personally think this is a good thing for both young and old people. So in your mind, me voting to "leave" would actually be me not-voting in the interests of the young?
Any interviews with him I saw he didn't really take a strong position. He was remain but he didn't seem to care very much.
As a Russian - the whole "Russia will take the chance and grab something else" amuses me.

Why would we grab part of Baltics or Poland? Crimea has strategic importance. Most of the Baltics - does not.

And Poland in the current state of affairs is more valuable as a partner, not as an emeny (despite our history of mutual distrust and wars)
Looking at the age split in the vote, if I were a young Brit I would be considering tax evasion as a form of protest. If the older generation wants a free ride while simultaneously cannibalising the future of the young, let em starve (in the sense of reduced government services).
This was your best argument? I don't have been there then I can't have a judgment? Do you really thinks that people from Las Vegas take care of other states when they get all the water from other state? are you telling my that this is a global country where problem are solved in a global manner? No. This is true everywhere, even in UK you have not the same culture in the nord than the south.. check the result of the votes... even in my small country you can see the difference of culture between big town and small town.
The thing is, even "informed beleavers" don't know they are spreading misinformation. A lot of them have no idea what they're talking about. Most of them don't even know the EU of 2016 is different from the EU of 2008.

Ignorance is a terrible, terrible thing.
Have you actually talked to educators about this?

I've asked a few why OO is the first thing you learn - and the reasoning was two fold:

1) People that start off by learn imperative programming end up writing really really shitty OO code. They're they type of people that end up copy and pasting stuff everywhere. It's really hard to get students to not take the "short cut" of copy paste to think in objects when you have homework deadlines and other things to worry about (and the teacher never actually spend time to teach you how to use programming toolchains...)

2) it's conceptually one of the biggest stumbling blocks for people. A lot of people have trouble wrapping their heads around OO. So sure you could teach it later, but it'll never sick or sink in.
Bitcoin surges past $650 as Brexit result sends UK Pound tumbling to 30-year low
There's a difference between "correct" and "how people actually talk." I was offering a correction because when learning a language, you don't want to sound like textbook. Sure, it's all technically correct, but the goal is to sound natural. I don't know anyone who says "capable at," so it "just sounds wrong."
I think I'm one of those rare people who lurk on hackernews, but who's friends are normal working types. Nurses, janitors, teachers, teaching assistants, plumbers, electricians, carpetenters, fisher men. None of these people are on your facebook feed, or hackernews comment section. These are the people who have had enough of all this crap. We're not stupid. We're just poor.
People need time to stop thinking of themselves as British or German first but rather European.

This. But I will add that it is mainly the English that do not consider themselves part of Europe. You'll find much more European identity on the mainland, or north of Hadrian's wall.
Pretty sure it's similar across basically all common law jurisdictions (not sure about civil law).
Stitching practical bias into systems software research (USENIX ATC keynote)
Depends on what you're looking for. Theres a lot more customizability in Hybris and Demandware. More advanced features and extensibility.

The same can be said for Magento, Magentos issues always come down to performance.
Because anecdote == data?
voted for by a 4% margin. don't kid yourself about what democracy actually represents - it's not a united will.

i wonder how many of those 4% will even be alive + not senile by the time this plays out.
Have a look at ConfigMaps and Secrets in Kubernetes. We use these to run the same container images in staging and production, without additional config mgmt.
Here is a very quickstart tutorial to test prismic.io https://prismic.io/quickstart

Don't hesitate to ask questions!
I'm well aware of that fact. But after the collapse of the western roman empire, Europe was divided between germanic tribal kings, and those kings have fought amongst themselves ever since.

Even when one of those kings (Charlemagne) nearly united all of the roman lands together it collapsed into in-fighting.

There is almost a thousand years of cultural difference between each of the member states of the EU. I think in the future a political union will happen, but it takes all of europe to be united as a people, to have common cause and that is a long way off. Today every member of the EU still fights for their national interest.

I think Yes Minister said it best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVrN-gkzVYI
Editorialized, sensationalist title, intended to stir up hot emotions.

Flagged.
The way they treated Aleynikov is a minus in my account as well.
Celtic languages (Scottish Gaelic, Irish, Manx, Welsh, Cornish, and Breton) are all distantly related to Latin, and probably closer to Latin than other branches of Indo-European.

Basque is a language isolate spoken in parts of Spain and France. There's also Turkish - part of Turkey is in Europe, but not in the EU.
> So he resigns, but he was elected as a representative in the lower house. That means he won't be PM anymore, and he goes back to being a member of the lower house?

Yes.

> Does the house pick one of its own members for the job, or does the majority party get to pick anybody at all that they want to be PM?

Officially they can pick a member of either house of parliament. In practice picking a Lord would be extremely controversial and probably lead to some rapid constitutional reform.

> Do PMs that leave go back to being house members? Seems like that would be kinda weird.

They usually won't stand in the next election, and go off and do something else - either private business or charity, or one of the less direct parts of government (the house of lords, embassies or the like - traditionally Europe was another destination but I guess no longer). In theory they could stay on and work as foreign secretary or whatever for the person who replaced them (or return to the back benches) but yeah that would be weird.
Bah. Das ist was passiert, wann man Deutsch in Berlin gelernt hat. Schlampig und umgangssprachlich.
Just travel a few times outside the continent and you'll have your answer.
I'm just going to say while clearly there is a problem with a small but not insignificant minority of racists hijacking political agendas in the UK (but what country doesn't have that) - I don't see how being a part of the EU has a realistically significant effect an agenda of "social justice". That's an awfully weak crutch you're leaning on.
Disclaimer: I voted to remain (I fit the demographic of the 16 million - postgrad degree, professional &c).

The leave voters I spoke to kept mentioning 'feeling in control' and concern about EU immigration and benefits. Also 'don't want them to ignore us'. Basically, bye election rhetoric. They bought the suggestion that 'a deal will be done' about England's access to European Economic Area as more or less certain.

I hope they are right about the last one :-)
David Cameron wanted to bomb Syria, but didn't because of massive public opposition and the commons vote.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23892783

I agree that Blair was a war-monger.
>How's the FTSE 100?

It's up 9% from where it was in February of this year. Surely the immediate market reaction to a huge political change is not a good indicator of anything.
A great example of what you get when financial decisions made at the current political whim is the looming unfunded pension crisis in Chicago / Illinois, New Jersey. There are a lot of places right behind those as well. Super easy to make promises for when you no longer be around to deliver on... Esp if you need votes now.
> RPG

Yes, yes of course they mean game.
Money transfers are necessary for eurozone to stop blowing up in people's faces, sadly
Apologies for my knee-jerk reaction, on the other hand i don't think my personal convictions are of any relevance in this discussion.
> The more people from any single European country travel across Europe, the more they figure out that there are almost zero cultural differences between their countries.

Have you actually travelled in Europe? Germany is radically different from France; both are radically different from the UK, and let's not even start to talk about Eastern Europe.
Honestly I think our best bet is to focus on education and childcare, then try to hold on for a generation. Many parents don't have time to raise their children as well as they'd like. Teachers are underpaid, under-respected and have in many cases had their agency taken away by standardized tests. It's no wonder so many people find it difficult to stay informed when they're starting from so far behind.
We will respect that treaty. But, as all treaties, there is room for interpretation, which requires good will. Good will towards the UK has run out, and EU should be looking at its interests and nothing more.

During the negotiations process, the UK should be treated as what it is, a soon to be ex-member. For example:

> Meanwhile, Elmar Brok, a German MEP, CDU member, and chairman of the European parliament committee on foreign affairs, told the Guardian that the European parliament would call on Jean-Claude Juncker to strip the British commissioner Jonathan Hill of his financial services brief with immediate effect and turn him into a “commissioner without portfolio”.

Dozens of measures like this should be taken. Whatever is legal according to the signed treaties should be done in order to hasten the exit of the UK from the EU.
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Wow, China. That debunked that the language is the compelling reason.