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Why did they have a vote if they hadn't planned for what would happen afterward? It's completely absurd.
The "default" would surely be to remain being an EU member, i.e. to do nothing. Voting to leave is a significant change from the status quo.
The UK and the US really head the current hegemony that is currently instilling so much war in the world. I believe the EU does share this responsibility, but I also really hope the UK leaving the EU helps the rest of Europe in in pushing back against these covertly back wars in Syria and elsewhere.

British citizens may not be able to world and live throughout the EU any more either. People already abroad may lose their work status on nations without reciprocal fall-back agreements.

This is a pretty big change, but I don't think it's a bad one.
Of course it is.

Those terrorists thrive on our own radicalization and fear.

Every time someone shoot up an mosque, they win. Every time a politicians talked about banning Muslims from an entire country, they win. Anything they could do to create a 'us-versus-them' divide further their narratives and aims.

The only thing we can do is move on, continue our lives as if they are not a threat at all, and let the police handle their duties.

Quite frankly, there are lot of other things that kill people more than Islamic terrorism.
This may revitalize Scottish independence, since one of the arguments to keep Scotland in the UK was spreading uncertainty about Scotland's ability to stay in the EU if it left the UK.
For me, the downside of populism is that the political insiders and wealthy elite just so happen to be the people who actually understand how economies and governments and international agreements work.

The common man may think he knows everything, but he really doesn't.
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> If I were France I would start bricking up the chunnel tomorrow.

Depending on how things turn out in France in the near future, they may be busy fighting "Frexit" sentiments in their own country. Le Pen has already brought up the possibility (granted, I don't expect her to be in power, but the idea is out there).
The base rate I'm using isn't the population base rate at all - it's the top 25 college students base rate, sliced by race.

Between 2/3 and 5/6 of black college students at the top 25 schools did not meet the usual intelligence/test score cutoffs to get in. Thus, the base rate for "exceeds normal cutoff" for a black student at Princeton is in the range of 1/6-1/3. (In contrast, the base rate for Asian students is likely higher. The base rate for athletes and the children of large donors is likely lower, for much the same reason.)

The various factors you discuss might be causes for why most blacks don't exceed the normal cutoff. But that doesn't mean that ignoring it will be an optimal decision for a person attempting to hire high intelligence/test score individuals.
It's actually a good thing for Free Market, since the UK will now be able to define what rules they want to play with, instead of having to rely on EU's bureaucrats.
Yeah, gee. Too bad I'm not using my car to forage for food, and follow scent trails.

Oh, if only...
Exactly. The EU just needs to sit on their hands for 2 years, and that will mean an automatic tariff of 9% on 44% of British exports.

Although with the plummeting pound British stuff might still manage to be as cheap. Only now 4.5% of British exports will be going into European hands instead of British.
I jokingly said to my friend that we could solve a handful of complex problems easily - England* declares independence from the UK and leaves the EU, the rest of us get to remain. Since we're already in fantasy land, London can remain if they like :)

* = I am assuming the Welsh vote was due to a few of the Welsh lads being too exited by the Euros to vote, so they get a pass on being narrowly "Leave" this time
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The Democrats did the same thing when they were in power.
I've seen Formula SAE cars do that. You can indeed make that happen. In that car it could be as simple as reducing the front spring rates and softening the shocks while putting a stiffer roll bar in the rear.
I think that the EU will see the UK leave as a slap. So it will definitely slap back, especially Germany. I think with this result UK gave the ok to Germany to actually push UK's economy into a devaluation and then e.g Berlin can become the new London of Europe.

I don't think the UK is going to get the same deal as Norway or Switzerland especially since the UK doesn't want to get involved in the free movement.
I still have severe doubts this will happen. It will take many years to renegotiate and most treaties will be in effect until then.

My guess is very little changes, it's more of a sign that people want their country sovereign as opposed to being ruled by a committee in another country.
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I'd say a bigger problem is parents encouraging their kids to go to college to do what they enjoy instead of encouraging them to go to college for a profession that will pay the bills. If you want to "do what you enjoy" for a living, and it pays $25k/year in salary... maybe don't spend $100k on college...?
The French are already saying the current agreement on border checks will be renegotiated, so they can free up Calais. The Channel will become the next Mediterranean, with flimsy boats killing people by the hundreds every month. This will call for increased naval patrols, which means increased military spending and so on and so forth...
I suggest reading through the blog I linked; Haidt is serious and well-respected. Alternatively, you can look at various impartially- (and usually government-) collected statistics that demonstrate group differences.

Most of these differences are too incendiary to link here (and I'd rather not attract the wrath of dang), but let me cite one example: men are, biologically, physically much stronger than women. 95th percentile in women is 5th percentile in men. See this well-sourced quora thead: https://www.quora.com/Are-men-generally-physically-stronger-...

I think it's pretty easy to corroborate the statistics with everyday experience. Muscular strength is a function of total number of muscle fibers. Look around you, if you're in a group of men and women: which group tends to have the thicker biceps and triceps?

Now consider that quite a few people, particularly in the more blue-tribe areas of the US, think that it's a grave injustice that women do not have more representation in occupations that depend to large extent on physical strength --- e.g., firefighting.

Think about how frustrating it must feel to point out the unreality of this accusation. Imagine how it must feel to fear that you'd be fired from your job and ostracized from your social group for pointing out what the statistics and your own eyes agree in the truth. Now imagine that you had an opportunity to anonymously vote against the people who make you feel that way.

Can you imagine this state of mind? If so, you've captured why Britain left the EU.

> My impression of Heterodox Academy is that it's more of the same but regardless, how about finding some more serious sources if you genuinely want to know?

One sad effect of the current political climate is that it's become very hard to find unbiased sources --- or at least sources everyone respects (which isn't the same thing).
If you read the article, it points out that people alter their bias threshold depending on who they are interviewing. Black guy is a little quiet? He's shy, a bad culture fit. White guy a little quiet? He's modest, a great culture fit.
At least this has helped everyone identify the racists among them. Leaving might be perfectly fine, it just brought out the worst of people too.
>peace-loving people of all religions against homicidal maniacs of all religions

I completely agree! But it's not as if every religion is equal. It'd be strange to say that, for instance, Jainism, has (or had) anywhere near the violence (even proportionally) that, say, Christianity or Judaism has (or had).

It reminds me of programming or tooling debates, where someone jumps in with "well pick the right tool for the right job" or "all software has bugs". It feels somewhat dishonest to imply that no group has a larger problem. And I don't mean terrorism -- that's small enough in raw numbers to not matter -- I mean overall social views like what's described here[1]. Reading those numbers, am I wrong to think it's a clash of civilization?

1: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religi...

Again, I'm asking in all honesty, no intention to offend, troll or provoke. I thank you all for your responses.
There are many measures of success, and if you want to talk about quality of life, by all means look at how bad the discontentment with the EU has been growing over the years, among all member states. Keeping everyone in the EU is not sustainable.
Which is exactly why I think the EU will try to make Britain a lesson and not make any concessions. It would be in the EU's interests to really damage Britain even if it means they get hurt themselves, because if Britain is allowed to leave without much pain, there may not be an EU left.
No I live in Australia so I have to covert my imaginary winnings pounds into imaginary Australian dollars to be able to buy my imaginary coffee ;)

More seriously the model was right and the bookies wrong - it is relatively rare that you get an opportunity like this handed to you to make money with almost no risk.
I wonder how many people would change their mind now because of this. If the pound keeps tanking, perhaps the market will end up forcing a bremain. Once again the financial markets behaving like a psycho bitch. Do you remember that one girlfriend that you knew was a bad idea but you just couldn't help yourself?
The characterization of populism reminds me of the Demotivator poster on meetings: "None of us is as dumb as all of us."
From Wikipedia:

Populism is a political position which holds that the virtuous citizens are being mistreated by a small circle of elites, who can be overthrown if the people recognize the danger and work together. The elites are depicted as trampling in illegitimate fashion upon the rights, values, and voice of the legitimate people.

The notion itself is quite subjective of course, but it is definitely very different from "democracy".
This part has REALLY irritated me over last few weeks. The "ooh you know, EU membership isn't guaranteed..." scaremongering is particularly grating now that we are guaranteed to be out now.
Unless seeing how badly it goes for the brits convinces them to stay. Over the next two years everyone who can will be moving money, property and family out of Britain and into somewhere more stable. This could be a real boom for France and Spain.
What's stopping Britons from having another referendum?
Why? Getting a bit political here, and I'm sorry, I just need to answer the question then I'll cut it out with the strong political views:

Because I couldn't bear to be a citizen of a country that elects Donald Trump as president. I'd be too embarrassed in the face of my peers around the world. I already get made fun of enough for my country by my German, Swiss, and Korean friends for just the prospect of Trump winning. I couldn't live here anymore or represent this country when I travel. The people who surround me, my compatriots, would be too stupid, bigoted, and hateful in my view for me to continue living here.

For any other election, I'd happily agree with you and might even try to change the status quo. But the risk of a Trump presidency has my insides sinking.

But right now, I'm going to vote for anything to stop that guy from winning. Even if it means voting for a crook.
UK pound at 31 year low as referendum favours EU exit
Is this the beginning of the next great recession?
It's called the commonwealth, and it includes 30 percent of the land mass of earth.
Very true, unfortunately, pooling money between a few economically well developed countries and quite a few economically bunk countries does not work well for those whose money was actually worth something in the first place.
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are you obligated to be accurate? I appreciate the list (thank you, or thank the curator) but I would imagine that if you are independent you have no obligation to be correct?
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More seriously, things would have been so much simpler with a new federal settlement and a devolved English Parliament.
No, only time will tell. There was way too much biased reporting/prognoses upfront.

I personally think it will sort itself out just fine - even IFF (and that is a very big IF) the UK parliament follows the non-binding vote...
The European Union was a resounding success for Germany, the Deutsche Mark was terrible in comparison and their economy saw a huge lift.
Yeah, millions of racists. Just because we are sick of Polish kielbasa shops in London.
> If I were France I would start bricking up the chunnel tomorrow.

The "migrants" are already working on it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3651956/Hundreds-mig...
This is exactly why I also don't like the EU. Not the racist rhetoric UKIP is using, but because the EU is deeply undemocratic. The EU is one whole layer of extra politicians above those that we have already elected in local parliaments. It makes the distance between me and those who are in power much greater, both physically and metaphorically.

Plus, Germany, the UK and France are the big players in the EU. Naturally the union favors their agenda and overrules smaller member countries.
How bad do you think this is going to be? The majority of trade for the UK is with commonwealth countries and the U.S. both of which are unrelated to the EU.
> This could be a real boom for France and Spain.

Switzerland's the real winner in this one
It does. It shows a third party candidate can surpass expectations and still come nowhere close to winning a state.
And a special thank you from Canada. This vote is going to give Quebec ideas again.
As some people already said, even if the vote will be 'Leave' the Parliament most likely will not consider it and will not part ways with the EU siting some made-up problems, that "prohibit" the exit right away. Await another referendum until the necessary results are obtained.
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We are also anti-CE Mark racists.
> Berlin can become the new London of Europe.

I heard there are a lot of tech companies that already bought land in Ireland as a hedge against the Brexit, and that's where a lot of the tech jobs are going to be going. (Albeit that's only one industry, and I doubt that the financial industry would go in the same direction.)
I can certainly relate to your ORM experience, I really want to like ORM's but every time I see one applied its a disaster.
Show me a model you'd replicate. I will argue that Britain was the model I'd replicate. Was.
Curious how these school end up doing. When I was deciding what to do for college I really liked a place in Florida called New College. Horrible area (lots of old people) and apparently the place is weird (never visited), BUT the idea they have of creating contracts per semester and graduation based on completion of the required number of contracts is pretty cool version of this. It sounded like a whole college exp of basically self-researching/learning.

Didn't think it'd be good for CS so I didn't, but I imagine that's what the most successful of these schools will do to keep people creative and avoid the whole "one person does all the work"-group-projects.
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Is now a good time to invest in British currency? Are there some good resources for how to do that?
Oh yeah; they also engaged in trade wars, which often degenerated in conventional wars. The EU was built to avoid that.

Welcome back to the Hobbesian jungle.
I agree with this. There has to be some balance - it is not like EU membership lifts the economies that enter it, so it doesn't seem like it should be so bad to leave the EU. I also expect people to overstate the effects - like currency devaluing is both good and bad for the UK while people are acting like it is some kind of disaster. Stock markets also seem to largely be decoupled from the real economies these days.
Ha! You might find a lot of support for that on the Island.
You're right that terrorism is irrelevant as far as numbers. I do dislike how terrorism is used as a rallying cry. It's not a big enough thing to draw any conclusions; it's almost entirely an appeal to emotion.

But at what point are the views of a group or religion a problem? Suppose a hundred million members around the world are in favour of death for leaving the group. Is that enough for western countries to say hey, that's not acceptable? To note that there may be a serious incompatibilities in beliefs?
It's ironic to me that a site where people extol the virtues of consistent culture at startups is so down on people voting to free themselves from a body politic they don't believe shares their values.
That was quite unexpected. Till very late before polling, most people were in favor of staying in the EU. Nationalism takes over logic in Europe again.
What about German and French imports?
There's a decent chance that this will spur the EU into proposing a package of reforms with a view towards a second referendum. Technically, this referendum was an advisory referendum (i.e. its result is not legally binding).

If that doesn't happen, I would expect the UK to shift from membership of the EU to membership of the European Economic Area (alongside Norway and Iceland) or similar.
Because Britain had access to all the good things about the EU (common market, EU agencies located in the UK, free movement) without some of the worst (common currency). 44% of British exports are to the EU. A significant reason for Foreign investment in the UK is because companies have seen it as a convenient way to sell in Europe (helps that it's the only English speaking nation in the common market).

And they voluntarily gave all that away. And they've simultaneously made a lot of enemies amongst their largest trading partner and closest neighbors.

I simply don't see how this works well for the UK (or should we say England, since the possibilities of Scotland breaking away have also risen dramatically).
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The issue you are discussing is the Malthusian scarcity of housing caused by exclusionary zoning. Specifically, SF has N houses but K > N people who want to live there. Arithmetic implies K-N people need to live further out.

Reducing income inequality cannot fix this. Only building more houses can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle

Also, even if your argument were valid, it only implies that metro area inequality matters. So why are you looking at national inequality?
It's well tolerated within bounds. Regularly feeding your roommates seems well outside those bounds.
I'm not from the UK and I don't have any problems with the Limeys but I still thinks this is awesome: For way too long national governments in the EU have passed legislation on the EU level when they could not get it through national parliaments and then they could refer to "the EU says so". I hope this serves as a wake-up call to national governments that they should actually listen to their citizens.
Are talking about the pound? Because it doesn't appear like its worth much now.

https://twitter.com/DavidInglesTV/status/746192676085600256

> This is something we've never seen, chances are you'll never see again
Pound just collapses 13% vs. the Yen
#Brexit

https://twitter.com/MatthewPhillips/status/74618964684197888...

> Wow. The £ is down 8.4%. Currencies are not supposed to do that. (1% move is considered massive.)
Please fix title. The article title is "EU referendum: BBC forecasts UK vote to leave". The count hasn't even finished yet, and it is still possible for the remain vote to win at the current time (albeit unlikely).
I don't expect the UK to come out better off from this.

This may actually work really well for the opponents of separatist movements in developed nations.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. Even though they semi-recently voted to stay in the UK, they were by far the highest area to vote "Remain" - 95.91%
Noone knows really, it all comes down on how the EU is going to handle the Brexit itself. If EU shows stability after Brexit the international markets are going to be dropping but not as much, and the UK market is going to have issues. On the other hand if other members of the EU decide to go UK's way then the international markets are going to have big issues. But its all speculation for now, and when the priminister of the UK triggers article 50 the UK is going to enter nagotiations for 2 years. That is going to bring the markets up and down everytime a part of a deal is not successful or succesful, so ye noone can actual say what the implications will be. There will definitely be some short crisis in the UK and EU.
That's kinda the point, isn't it?

Wouldn't a voluntary exchange of trade, labour and policies, in place of "a feeding hand" (what a condescending remark!) be better for everyone?

By the way, the subsidies feed mostly the politicians, and the hands of their well-connected friends who are the true benefactors. And that's no coincidence -- as I said, we've already lived through the reality disconnect that is the result of top-down social engineering.

What the linked poll shows you is that normal people are telling you to take your oh-so-generous subsidies and shove them. If it means being part of a political union they have no say in.
1M votes margin, many news channels are giving it for granted. It woukd be fun to see reporters react to a sudden reversal though
Pollsters were never confident of this result, with their adjusted and unadjusted results being all over the place, and were cautiously predicting Leave victories as recently as last week. There weren't any relevant precedents for them to test their models against, and the biggest factor in the Leave vote appears to be high turnout from demographics that rarely vote in other elections.

I've found it odd that the markets were far more confident in poll findings than the pollsters but assume that the bets were mainly placed on the simple heuristic that poll results tend to understate voters caution and attachment to the status quo.
In a free market, I find the ideal of free movement very compelling. But how do you reconcile free movement with (quasi-)socialism?
I'm tired of this unelected trope. MEPs are elected, and they have final say on legislation. Commissioners PROPOSE legislation (which is then amended by Parliament committees, usually), are nominated BY THE GOVERNMENTS YOU ELECTED, and can be dismissed by the Commission President, who answers to the ELECTED European Parliament.

The failure to make people understand Lisbon 2009 reforms is what is killing the EU.
Of all things you could be angry about, you are upset that you can buy Polish sausages in London? Really?

(...Poe's law strikes back...)
Yugoslavia was always divided, so it's not _really_ a valid comparison.
52% of the country just asserted that there's only one party, a minor party, that agrees with them on this incredibly important issue. Everything in UK politics is going to change.
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