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Since the discussion keeps circling back to effects and economics, I found this paper on "The Economic Impact of EU membership on the UK"[0] published by what looks like the House of Commons, which includes cost-benefit analyses of EU membership, effect of the EU on UK trade relations, impact of immigration from the EU, impact of EU regulation, Fiscal consequences of EU membership, etc.

Whilst it doesn't seem to cover every nuance of the situation, it adresses some of the points brought up for discussion in this thread, such as punitive tariffs (ruled out based on WTO non-discrimination rule), and seems like a fairly unbiased primer. It's fairly short too, 32 pages, written for a MP level of reading comprehension.

[0]researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06730/SN06730.pdf
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Hmm, I've been in the software industry for 40 years. Never got a dollar in subsidy.
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Do wonder if it is because they have not settled in, with a family, a house, and enough debt to last a lifetime and a half.
For just the exports to the EU. I've seen this view several times in the thread, but never acknowledging that it's a small part of the economy that will have to do that.
no passport required

That's true. But I strongly advise to use your passport (if it's a biometric one) instead of the id card if you come from an eligeable country. Especially when entering the UK in Heathrow.

A biometric passport of those countries gets you through the automated passport control gates, which makes the whole process significantly faster an much less painful.
> I don't agree with how the EU subsidizes e.g. French farmers at the expense of e.g. African farmers.

Don't you think not having enough local food production to feed the population is a liability of any sovereign nation? Personally, I think there are "strategically important" industries (like food, steel, weapons) that countries need to protect to remain sovereign, by subsidies or other means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_union

The EU traces its origins from the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and the European Economic Community (EEC), formed by the Inner Six countries in 1951 and 1958 [..] The Maastricht Treaty established the European Union under its current name in 1993

If your position is that every major treaty establishes a new Union, then the EU is less than 10 years old (Treaty of Lisbon, 2009). Otherwise, the EU originated in 1951.
> Especially I am sad for the young generation in the UK. A very large part (about 75%) voted to stay in Europe, and this future is taken from them

The undertones in this point imply that votes from the young generation is worth more than others.
There is no free trade agreement yet. There are, however, a number of agreements that cover bureaucracy regarding import and export, as well as other relationships. Maybe most of the UK's non-EU import regulations are negotiated partner for partner by the UK government. In that case, nothing would change. But I doubt that ongoing relationships between global partners and the EU do not have any effect on the UK. See http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/count... for an overview.

Maybe it's possible for the UK to get custom tailored agreements that are more beneficial. But I'm afraid that until all of that is settled, a lot of time will have passed. Negotiation about the FTA between EU and Japan has been going on for about four years now. Other fora of exchange have been established decades ago. Until the UK can benefit from their own negotiation efforts, the EU might look more attractive to Japanese investments and trade.

International trade is complicated and takes time but the Leave campaign made it look like everything's going to be fine in just a few years.
> which were done in teams

This is fucked up and sucks for introverts. And double sucks for them if they love that they are learning.
Even Wikipedia seems to conflate the two...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_%28computer_programming...
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> Congratulations Britain, today you took back control of your own destiny.

Proudly galloping off into the dusk towards a glorious future as the world's uncontested exporter of wine gummies and vinegar chips.
People forsake democratic values way too easily when voters don't go the "right" way...
So apparently the majority can be convinced to do something silly; who would have thought that happening in a modern, civilized, western world, the connected world, the flat earth!

We underestimate the power of idiots in large numbers.
That's unlikely. The current trade deal with countries like Japan, is direct with the EU powerhouse, not one single country like the UK. The size of the EU has a much stronger bargaining power than the UK can ever hope to achieve.

More importantly, your UK purchased Japanese car is most likely fabricated in a UK or EU factory. The UK factories exist simply because Japanese manufacturers then have direct access the the EU market without tariffs, and take advantage of the EU subsidies in order to set up and operate.

Those subsidies and tariff benefits just evaporated. The EU market for their vehicles is much larger than the UK. It now makes sense for them to move their final manufacturing inside the EU zone and out of the UK. Bye bye jobs. The only benefit is that the GBP devaluation buys more Euros, so if you still have a job in the UK after this, you can buy your Japanese European made car cheaper as an import from the EU.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/asian-company-shares-reeling-aft...
People seem to think this vote is the final word but my understanding is that it isn't legally binding and the final decision is up to elected politicians. That's why you saw the prime minister say he would resign. He supported staying and by him resigning new elections will be held.
4) an economy built on borrow and spend (essentially betting on the future) now coming in terms with built up debt, aging population and slowing economy

5) this is a correction.
I wasn't thinking you're rooting for war - but I had that on my chest and had to say it. I see people sometimes saying things like "oh well, every civilization has to end at some point", or noting that Europe is long overdue for another war. It's as if people didn't realize the war isn't some abstract shifting of borders, it's mostly innocent people dying terrible deaths from bullets, hunger and disease. While it is a true historical fact, it's something we should focus on figuring out and, as you said, "fixing it with wisdom".

Maybe I'm too sensitive on this topic, but ever since the Crimea debacle I've become much more worried about instabilities in Europe. I have only ~300km to the Ukrainian border. There are nights when I hear some weird aerial noises and I wonder if that's a missile, and if this is the day when my city turns into a CoD: MW map.
Yes, people forget that he'd already had two MPs jump ship to UKIP. If he hadn't promised a referendum the party would've split down the middle.

What I don't get, and didn't get with the Scots referendum either, is why on earth they didn't require a super-majority? Surely with something as critical as this, you'd want a bit more convincing than a 2% margin?

It doesn't have to be a 3/4ths or even 2/3rds, but a 60.1/39.9 split would've been nicely convincing that one side is definitely in a minority. Instead we've just proven once again that the UK is fractured politically North/South/Scotland/NI/etc.
And actor-based systems in general. Akka is a good modern example of one that's not Erlang.
> that older people seemingly looked to their own interests

That's an assumption. You could even look at it another way and say it's the other way around where they've lived in the UK prior to being in the EU and know what the UK is capable of on it's own.
Whatever "Twilio" is...
I like your idea of a test before hand.

Every voter is required to write a test on the matter being voted on. And then their vote is weighted on the marks they got for the test.

That way people who have no idea what they are voting for have little say in the matter. And the people who really care about the issues will make sure they know how their vote will affect things, and they get a greater say in the matter.
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How's the pound doing? How's the FTSE 100? How's the FTSE 250?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/24/ftse-100-an...

https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=ftse+250
The PM resigning does not result in new elections. The Conservative party will vote on a new leader and that person will become the new PM until 2020. (As things stand).
Pretty much everyone who is literate learns French, German or Spanish to a basic conversational level at high school FWIW.
That's a different thing, you sure have the right to sell your software. Unification of VAT policies would be a hard sell for the member countries.
Southern european bailouts - Euro and EU are two separate things, although interconnected. The UK is not a part of the euro.

I don't see how trade tariffs (which the UK will now have to negotiate) will be a good thing for the UK.
Yes that's right. It's not legally binding and the whole exit process only starts when the government invokes article 50 of the EU treaty, which is the exit process and lasts 2 years.

Cameron (the PM) talked about not invoking article 50 straight away, so maybe there's a glimmer of hope for us that voted to stay in that we still have time for further discussions.
The fact that young voters overwhelmingly decided they wanted to stay in has nothing to do with whether or not it's a good thing - it's merely a statement that, as usual for this country, young voters seem to be at odds with everyone else.

There's a huge generational gap - probably larger than that in the US even. Many younger voters are far further left than the country as a whole, and concepts like equality, human rights and social justice are a huge part of our politics.

There's a strong belief that the reasons for leaving the EU are, aside from kicking the Polish out, to start attacking the human rights, equality, worker protection, and welfare laws and procedures that were only implemented because we were forced to.
As a federalist of egalitarian persuasion born south of the Mason-Dixon, I assure you that I am Northerner before I am 'Murican.
The UK isn't a member of the eurozone.
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If you're referring to Champagne, then the answer is to build up your own brand. If I was in the drinks industry and produced cola, I don't have the right to sell it as Coca Cola. It's the same thing with Champagne.
I'm not talking about the corporation with regards to its employees. I'm talking about the corporation in regards to the society that it exists within, and the strange conceptual notion that it for some reason should be an amoral creature within that society. What I am referring to is that there are people who feel that Apple is different, on some level, that they're not "the usual company"--but, ultimately, I think they realize that it, too, is the usual company save for a better coat of paint.
What you talking about? Why Russia is an enemy for you? I'm pretty sure Russia don't want to be the enemy
It might end up being good for the UK, but to be honest no-one knows, and it'll probably take at least 5 years to get back to some level of stability, and then another 5 before the effects really show themselves.
Are there any other projects similar to this?

(I'm working on something related but this came as a surprise: I've never even heard about this project even though a have been researching fanatically in this topic.)
You're right that it's not a binding vote, but there's no possibility that MPs would not start the process of Brexit.

Cameron possibly just wants to avoid the clusterfuck of the next two years. Along the lines of Boris made this bed, let him sleep in it.

EDIT: And he's not resigning as a politician (which would trigger a by-election for his seat), he's only resigning as PM.
A good system would be based on the idea that everyone I don't agree with is not allowed to vote.
Both simual and smalltalk inheritance was added later in the languages history. Yes its optional but it doesnt stop people making a mess of things when they categorise their objects based on data type instead of behaviour
That makes me wonder though, if i send a message to the same object from two different senders, will the first message affect the outcome of the second? If not then there is plainly little difference between the two, as either action gets a new pristine instance. All in all, this seems to be a whole lot of syntactical hair splitting.
In an indirect way that happens in some politics. Parties and political figures need funding, they get that funding from organisations and individuals with deep pockets. Even if politicians argue that their policies aren't influenced by donations, donors aren't going to fund someone who promotes policies which the donors don't agree with. And given how expensive it is to run an election campaign, politicians with unpopular policies a (amongst the wealthy and big businesses) will either risk exposure due to poor funding, thus potentially lose votes, or "soften" their policies to appeal to the deeper pockets. Either scenario results in a subtle bias towards big money.

I wouldn't like to speculate on how significant this bias might be though, nor would I know how to level that particular playing field. Maybe everyone donates into a central pot and campaigners all get an equal share of the pot?
I could be wrong but even the French are still a monarchy. In fact the only case of a dissolved monarchy I've read of lately is the Spanish monarchy.
> likely for their entire lifetime

This will affect everyone for their entire lifetime, regardless of their current age.

Reminds me of a Ricky Gervais stand-up where a woman is scarred for life at the age of 93, which is technically true regardless of how many years she lives to.
Blaming people (older people, immigrants, whatever) for our problems isn't productive. Let's figure out what's broken about the systems we're living in instead of alienating the people we should be working with to fix them.
'A glimmer of hope?' That what, democracy won't be carried out?
The only election to be held will be a Tory leadership election, not a general election.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/who-will-be-our-n...

The UK votes for constituency members of parliament, not a prime minister.
I think the idea that you should be able to vote on an issue according to how much you care about it tries to fend off one problem (uninformed people vote carelessly) but creates many more. For example: How should I know in advance how important an issue will be to me in comparison to votes that nobody even thinks about right now? And is somebody who is really angry about immigration into their country really going to investigate the problem thoroughly (because they "care so much") or simply voting based on their gut?

From my perspective there are so many problems with referendums that it might not be possible to find a solution at all. They have become a way to destabilize the current government although those are the elected officials. And still, in a general election there would probably be a support for the established parties in Britain. This shows to me an unsolvable discrepancy between referendums and elections.
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That's the political statement used by Sarkozy (for instance) to blame others for problèmes du jour. It's a very slippery rope.

So many shifts and things have happened since christianity enters the european continent that it can't hardly be the foundation of the common european identity. Just look at who started the EU in the 50's and led us to believe in an european dream.

Point given: it's an argument used to antagonize proponents (nationalist leaders and `muslims`(whatever that group really is)).
There are differences, but the similarities are bigger IMHO. I say this with the experience of having lived extensively in the UK, US, Sweden, work in the NL, and travelled to 40 countries on all continents.

The difference in culture between the UK and other Northern European countries is often exagurated. Many say that the UK is more like the US. In my experience this really isn't true.
First sentence in the article: "Younger voters will be the losers from today's historic vote to leave the EU after polls repeatedly showed they back Remain" (emphasis mine)
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Seems like a tactical moment [0], right after the UK vote on Brexit.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Klein#The_Shock_Doctrine

Central to the book's thesis is the contention that those who wish to implement unpopular free market policies now routinely do so by taking advantage of certain features of the aftermath of major disasters, be they economic, political, military or natural.
Actually, Greece's problem was that the politicians of the EU do work for the people - namely, their own. It would have been electoral suicide for the leaders of Germany, the Netherlands, Finland etc. to be seen as too lenient for the Greeks.

Regarding the activation of article 50, sure the UK could delay it indefinitely, but there also would not be any requirement for the other states to start negotiating before it gets invoked. So I'm not sure if the "delay" strategy is going to work out very well for Britain.
You are right but:

> “We will not continue to guard the border for Britain if Britain is no longer in the European Union.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/03/calais-borde...
Not saying its a key part. Im in the camp you better have a damn good reason to use inheritance that composition will suffice.

The whole notion that everyone has their own perspective on oop makes it a mute point.
you're right. the UK is not part of the Euro, but by continuing to be in the EU, they would have been shoehorned in, and it would have been more inevitable.

>I don't see how trade tariffs (which the UK will now have to negotiate) will be a good thing for the UK.

Just set up free trade zones. Unless the EU will be a bunch of un-self-intereseted dicks with a chip on their shoulder and for no other reason than spite exclude the UK from free trade networks.
Yes, younger voters lost. That's quite clear. We didn't get what we voted for. And thus we have no control over our future.

Additionally, leaving the EU, if we're correct in our beliefs, damages our country far more than any economic crisis would. An economic crisis means people have less to spend, and might struggle to find work for a few years. A change in how our country approaches various things that we consider to be rights? That could have effects lasting the next 50 years.
> I don't agree with that, the EU has a very strong cultural union that was created by the enunciation of the French Revolution principles. It's not by accident that, for example, there is no state in EU with death penalty.

The conjunction of those two sentences is a bit hilarious, considering the wanton abuse of the death penalty during the Reign of Terror.

And I think that the lack of capital punishment is an indicator of one of the EU's problems: it's stunningly undemocratic. Polls (until recently?) have shown for decades strong popular support for capital punishment, and yet countries have been forced by the EU to ban it.
>> The EU does not have a common enemy to force it together. It does not have a shared language, or culture, or identity. Its dream, while noble, does not speak to ordinary people. And it is pretty damned incompetent at what duties it has assigned itself.

I believe mentalities are changing slowly. My generation (generation "Erasmus") is the first that identifies itself more as an European citizen than a national citizen [1] but our parent's generation doesn't feel the same yet.

By the other hand I think the main reason for Brexit is economics and not identity: UK thinks that they are not having a positive ROI by staying in the EU. Puting it roughly: Germany "exchanges" money for leadership. Peripheral countries "exchange" leadership for money. And UK? The "exchange rate" doesn't seem favourable..

[1] http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/young-voters-wanted-bre...
I think the past few years of economic growth in Africa had much to do with QE, and since QE stopped expanding, we have seen all EM economies suffer. I am not sure you can extrapolate this growth for the next 30 years.
You've forgot to look at the other side of the coin. Due to the EU trade tariffs with Asian and US countries, many non-EU manufacturers took advantage of the "final fabrication" loop-hole and the huge EU subsidies aimed at helping poor economic areas of the UK gain jobs, and set up fabrication plants in the UK.

Asian car manufacturing were and are heavy investors in the UK, in order to produce vehicles for the UK and EU markets [1].

Those perks have just evaporated, along with the jobs. The blue collar workers that heavily backed a Brexit, have shot themselves in the foot. It makes financial sense for Toyota who sell 90% of their UK produced vehicles to move away from the UK and back into the EU zone. They have just lost their EU trade tariff benefits and been hit by the GBP/EUR drop, making their cars 8.5% more expensive to 90% of their customers.

Those firms would be hit hard by a Brexit, losing preferential tariff and
customs treatment in Europe. Toyota, for example, exports 90% of its U.K.-
built cars.

If you haven't got a job, you can't buy German cars anyway. The argument is mute. This vote is going to have a huge impact on jobs, since being part of the Eurozone was more than just British imports.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/asian-company-shares-reeling-aft...
There's a gradient of sophistication between western and eastern. Seems to me that Westerners like to hide things under the logic and courtlaw rug while easterners are more crude in how they express painful issues. For the East, West is devious, to the West, East is barbarian.
Agree completly. Kind of the reason why they call it a general pr9gramming language.
Adopting a policy of formal age-discrimination in the voting process, doesn't seem like a good idea for many reasons.

That said, I like the idea of rethinking the way voting is done, in order to counter uninformed/populist trends. Such suggestions have been discussed in more detail here: https://outlookzen.wordpress.com/2014/06/29/reinventing-demo...
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We still study and use extensively the Roman Law and the Common Law in fact. The origin to a lot of our current laws can be easily traced to Roman Empire.
Markets are not generally logical, but definitely not in the short term. Currently they're running high on emotion. We shall see.
No, it's not evidence since evidence can only be gathered post-fact. Just don't be surprised if they follow through, because well, they told you before which consequences the change would have.
This is the greatest reason the polls were so wrong.

The media decided brexit was wrong. And therefore they used the age-old argument "all who vote leave are rayciss". So leavers were in anonimity. But that does not stop them from voting. It was a shitshow.