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>It is also arguably the greatest achievement of the human species.

This belief, and a horrid past (and present) of exploiting, plundering, murdering, etc all over the world, from the Crusades and colonial times to the Holocaust and onwards, is what makes it one of the most bloody and backwards "achievements of the human species".

Some exhibits from the "greatest achievement of the human species":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_zoo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_the_Congo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961
You can buy a house in the North for 100-200k without any problems, and saving 10k for a deposit is not exactly difficult if you have a job. I'm in the same situation as OP, live in UK, everyone I know is quite well off and the economy is doing very well for us(or was until today).
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It is my understanding that reacting to what other people write is one of the main points about a discussion forum, but we can agree to disagree here!

I do agree with you that democratic decisions are not always optimal.
It's the second highest turnout in history. You can't assume everyone who didn't vote agrees with you, that's dumb.
But isn't this the point of direct democracy? That you can elect someone (a MP) to represent you in most issues you care mildly about, despite not agreeing with them on some very important issues. You get to vote on those issues separately.
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Ireland and England have something called the Common Travel Area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area) which is unrelated to the EU. Basically shouldn't be affected really. Only destabilizing thing that comes to mind would be the Scotland + N. Ireland leaving the UK might make them rethink this.
And how do all these people get voted in?
Isn't that mostly what happened?
US pushing science and education during the Cold War to compete against the USSR?
Zimbabwe also wants good deals. And Burkina Fasso. It does not mean they get them.

There are around 200 countries on Earth. Sorry, 200 countries and the UK, which is special, by natural right. So let's say that those 201 countries have to make an agreement to sell cars: that's something like 40200 agreements. And each country has to negotiate 200 agreements. To sell cars.

Have fun with that.
I'm pretty sure, no one want a war, including Putin and west leaders.
That’s a lie. The EU was never intended to be solely a free trade area, it was conceived as an ‘ever closer union’ and a lot of work has been put into it becoming one since 1952.

De Gaulle certainly was right in vetoing the UK application repeatedly, given how much harm they have done to the common European project and long-time peace and prosperity on the continent.
So if you were heading an American business and looking to open an office in Europe right now would London still be on the list?
Years ago i created this tool https://github.com/b1nary/KruemelMonsta that does not only visualize connections but also pushes cookie into a proxy i then could use within a normal browser. It was fun that not even some IT people expected that i could get into their facebook within seconds if we share the same network. This was before widespread SSL tho, today you need that extra step.
You can do something similar with voting "credits" instead of cash, everyone gets 100 and they can use them to vote on the things they want

I've done this to help elicit requirements from stakeholders and it works really well
Not having an income isn't very freeing.
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That would heavily favor the high-income voters though.
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On the contrary, historical perspective is essential in understanding the issues that the EU is going through currently. If the German leadership took a good look in the mirror, it would see that it is subjecting Greece to a replica of the Treaty of Versaille and, as a result, should expect similar consequences. The PR outfall of that debacle is probably what pushed the Brits to vote for exit.
The last time there was a referendum on EU membership was in 1975, and the result was overwhelmingly in favour of staying in, so many of those older voters who voted for Brexit must have changed their minds.
>in europe most of the the time if you turn on the tv you _will_ find the same stuff. Holliwood movies, Game of thrones, Kommissar Rex, the borgias, eurovision song contest, european football championships, local versions of "the billionaire" or "big brother" etc.

That list sounds more of a reason to being done with Europe rather than an argument for its shared culture.
The demographic problem. Highly recommend reading "The Accidental Superpower" as it explains how this, as well as a few other geopolitical considerations, will shape the next few decades. (Hint: it's not pretty.)
People are ignorant of their MEP's because MEPs are irrelevant and can't campaign on policies.
Despite the fact I don't agree with his position on this I'd rather have Gove than Boris.
Funny enough, the Bundesbank has been criticising the ECB pretty harshly recently.
>Let's hope NL will manage to avoid that.

Recent polls suggest that the NL will not leave. I certainly hope not, and as a foreigner living, working, and paying taxes in the NL I'm really upset that I'd not be able to vote if such a referendum would come to pass.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/06/after-the-brit...
Does it really "sicken" you?

This is the first objective of the Maastricht treaty:

"strengthen the democratic legitimacy of the institutions;"

That sounds like championing democracy to me?
Are they planning to release any libraries? HTTP interface is quite good but I think it'd be better not to have the HTTP overhead and have an direct interface.
That would just give more influence to people with more money. We have enough of that as it is and I don't think it's a good thing.

And as a counterargument to older people being wiser older people tend to get very nostalgic about the old day and selectively remembering only the good things so I wouldn't trust the judgement of a random older person more.
That was my first thought too and i'm no expert.
Why would you think Scotland get to join the EU automatically? There's plenty of speculation Spain won't want it and will veto because it might fuel Catalan independence.
> The UK, on the other hand, is flat out opposed to freedom of movement

50% of the UK is flat out opposed to freedom of movement. In fact I'd wager it's even less than that since freedom of movement wasn't the only talking point of Leave.
So bombing the hell off the Iraq (for exmaple) is okay as long you are not grabbing the land?

Like you can kill 300000 people and everyone is okay as long as the territory is whole.

This is the most dumb thing I've read in this thread.
This is not an american politics issue, so YC is fine by that. And to be honest, this move has major repercussions for many many people involved in tech and tech companies, so it's not counter productive to discuss it.
I think SuperJambo is referring to companies who use advertising to skew facts relating to their brand or others. In the US, for example, I understand that companies are allowed to practically slander each other publicly in advertising. It seems very hostile from an outsiders perspective.
There was a huge propaganda machine going on targeted to the youth to tell how awesome the EU is. I dont think taking this numbers now says actually that much.
Northern Ireland might decide to become part of Ireland though, which would keep you in the EU. I wouldn't sell your house yet.
A wild guess - maybe someone else (Google) has some crucial patents on fuzzy matching? I know it's probably not the case, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was true...
Yes, for binary decisions. Otherwise, negotiating a larger majority is a possibility.
Of course they are in the eye of the beholder.

A few that I personally think are bad:

- Recent VAT reforms

- Cookie law

- Treating low taxes as "state aid" (EU Commission will be setting tax rates across the EU soon, just wait)

- Having a Parliament that can't make its own laws

But if you asked others you might get an answer like "the euro".

The EU has no relevance to peace or war. The USA is a much more strongly federalised union than the EU and had a brutal civil war. Most wars today are civil wars. There is absolutely nothing that'd stop the EU having a civil war even if it was incredibly federalised and had become practically a single country, like the USA. What has kept the peace in Europe was avoiding a repeat of the Treaty of Versaille, nuclear weapons, NATO, and the fact that European countries are now all mature democracies (the latter is imo the most important).
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Back in school I was part of a small group of students chosen to meet Eric Schmidt.

He walked into the room and asked, "Who here is making something really impressive?"

I thought a long time about what that says about Google.

Maybe it's about Google's competing on talent--they already have a $70 BN revenue machine and simply need a way to attract people who can keep the lights on.

Maybe it's just the personalities of those at the top.

Recently a friend showed me Google's Project Soli, a gesture interface that uses radio waves to sense hand position. You click by touching your fingers together and scroll by rubbing your fingers.

The project looks fantastic and is clearly produced by some smart people.

But the product video is a big call-to-action to developers: "We're excited to see the gestures you come up with."

I feel bad for the talented people working on this. Because the first time somebody uses the product, they'll try a new gesture and it just won't work. Creativity and curiosity yields frustration and a feeling of stupidity.

If you make something really cool, make it easy to love at first sight.

There are ways to use Project Soli's precise depth sensing so that there's nothing to learn and no way to fail. There are applications that will make people rethink what our devices can do and reward natural curiosity. Unfortunately I can't go into details.

Instead, people will be waving at their Google watches and wondering why it keeps taking selfies instead of scrolling through their notifications.
Of course it's not unregulated, and neither is the uk, it's just that the regulations are more relaxed compared to the rest of the eu.
I've got a lot of love for Estonia, but you cant really compare it to London
In the UK we introduced the A* grade as a "solution" to this problem; first at GCSE level (end of compulsory high school, age 15-16) and then at A level (pre-university, age 17-18).

Even that just postpones the problem, as grade inflation continues. I expect we'll see A* * before long, and then eventually grade sheets will look like eBay reviews, and students will just get a star count.
Tarrifs, sure, but tariffs are the boring part. What about freedom of movement? What – most importantly – about unified regulation?

Differing regulations create trade barriers and much of the work the EU did was unifying exactly those myriad different and sometimes contradictory regulations. That way someone making something in Germany only has to adhere to one set of regulations (and not, in the worst case, maybe even open different production lines for different countries) if they want to sell something anywhere in the EU.

How does the UK plan to be involved there? Realistically they can't if they are outside. So it's adhere or be out of the common market … this is the UK losing some of their power because they are unwilling to cooperate. Not even ill will involved

This is not the EU trying to do something harmful. If you don't cooperate and participate in something complex like unifying regulation you obviously lose power. It couldn't even be any other way!

I mean, what do you even expect the EU to do here?! Roll over and say that the whole EU will adhere to all UK regulation from now on? Accepting that the UK unilaterally gets to dictate regulation? That’s obviously not fair. The EU cannot give that kind of power to the UK. That would be monumentally unfair to all members of the EU.

It's already fucking hard to unify regulation and it's hard to find a way to somehow respect everyone's interests. How should the EU even react to the UK saying that they don't want to play ball anymore? There is no way except to give the UK an unfair amount of power or less power than they have inside the EU.

And the second solution is the only plausible one to me.
It's surprising how far some idealism can get us, though. Let's not forget that it's exactly that older generation that build the EU on the ruins of the wars they fought.

I'm wondering if the EU isn't suffering from its own success. It modeled the free trade/free movement/peaceful cooperation at a time at which none of these things were common. That style of negotiation and cooperation then became common internationally, so that nowadays, it appears to make little difference if, say, Croatia is part of the EU or not.
Prediction: two years of negotiations, followed by another referendum resulting in a 55:45 REMAIN, rendering the same day's Scottish independence referendum moot, slightly embarrassing everyone who spent hours debating that referendum's wording.
"...isn't it a nice demonstration of democracy and treaties can be re-negotiated..."

You understand how this works, right? As part of the EU the UK has bartering clout. As an independent little island with a huge trade deficit and a weak £ it has nothing. So a trade deal with China, for instance, would end with China trading in the UK, and the UK waiting 15 years before trading in China.

There is hyperbole in what I'm saying, which is probably a result of the disappointing outcome of the referendum, but... the UK as a trading partner has nothing to offer anyone.
Just in case people thought I was rooting for mess over peace. I'm just trying to find why things aren't stable so we can try to keep them stable longer.

Why do most societies resolve internal stress by communautarism, law of ancestry, blind and stupid racism. Why not by gathering and looking at what's wrong then fix it with wisdom.
Comparing UK with Spain or Greece? The UK was the fifth largest economy in the world. I don't your comparison to Greece is a fair, to say the least.

We've had an onslaught of austerity measures and public cuts too many to list in a sitting.
> and replaced with written reports from the instructor.

I find it hard to believe that American middle schools don't produce written reports on their pupils.

In the UK we have a system of graded exams at the end of middle school (age 16), but the old 'A' level system used to guide university admissions is losing ground to the International Baccalaureate (IB) qualification. The school my children attend is switching over entirely to IB for high school students from this year. I like it. The IB is a much broader qualification that A levels and includes project assessments and an extended essay as well as examinations. It is of course graded, but looks like it provides a much more complete assessment of a pupil's abilities than e.g. a B+ in Maths. I'm a fan.
I did ponder over this myself in recent weeks. I wondered whether there should be a age limit on votes, whether votes should be weighted, and even wondered whether there should be a quick multiple choice test that you have to pass before voting. Unfortunately the first two points go against the point of democracy - even if it might feel unfair to those are the greatest impacted by large demographics of people who are least affected but have strong opinions.

The entrance exam idea is a little more complex though. The idea came about because I was frustrated by the number of people I'd spoken to who voted for a particular campaign while admitting they didn't really follow the campaign but just wanted "change". I saw it with a lot of UKIP supporters who hadn't read their manifesto. I also saw it with the EU referendum with friends that were unaware of any of the "Brexit" arguments but voted out anyway. I think it's weird - in fact borderline dangerous - to use ones vote to decide on a topic which one has intentionally chosen not to educate one's self on. However how do you test that one is informed without biasing the ballot? I think that could be an impossible challenge - and even if it was possible, it would be too easy to abuse at some point further down the line. So that eliminates that possibility as well.

Giving everyone an equal vote is the fundamental principle of democracy. And as much as we might complain about biases from specific demographics skewing the outcome, be that the older generation, younger generation, politically literate, racist, socialist, or whatever; we just have to live with the results. After all, as much as I might disagree with some agendas, there's others I agree with which I'm sure other demographics detest on principles that are as reasoned as the arguments I consider to be true. Such is the nature of individuals.
The problem is a much lower price or much lower sales ;-)
Of course something totally unexpected could happen overnight (well, it did), but when you have several dozen economies most of which have been experiencing extremely rapid growth for many years now, and decades of trends towards reducing poverty across most of the continent, it is fairly reasonable to assume that the trends will continue for a while.

As it stands, they'd need to see a total catastrophic collapse of the economy of most of the African continent, with no subsequent recovery, for economic growth to not outpace population growth over the next few decades.
No, those two comments are simply asking. Which is fair enough, seeing how the comment doesn't say why that is "not justice", or any different from other witnesses/victims in other trials getting asked questions.
Why economics is crap, as applying accounting or modeling the flow of funds and products would present something akin to a cancer growth.
The UK does not have that shared French Revolution tradition at all, and neither do a large number of European countries that are still monarchies. Instead of a violent French Revolution, the UK had a nonviolent change of power from royalty to the people. Instead of a civil war over slavery, the UK had a peaceful transition where the state bought the slaves from the slave owners. This referendum fits in a great tradition of nonviolent change.
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He was out campaigning for a Remain vote but this was largely ignored by the media.
If push comes to shove i guess he can always cover the inside with insulation panels and live in them...
I find this graph outlining the frequency of different grades from 1949-2009 to be enlightening [1]. Around 1940's only 15% of grades were "A", and in the last few years they went up to close to 45%.

The source data is coming from research compiled by Rojstaczer and Healy [2].

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[1]: http://pazymino1evolutionliteracy.blogs.umassd.edu/files/201...

[2]: http://rampages.us/profjhonn/wp-content/uploads/sites/111/20...
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All the banks operating out of London have contingency plans that, at the very least, will move their primary legal entities to continental Europe.

If this had happened 10 years ago they would probably have moved them to Ireland but that won't happen now.

This isn't scaremongering. It's just the way the banks have to do business. It doesn't directly mean that all finance jobs will move to the continent. They won't. But there will be a slow migration over the next few years.

It is also highly likely that, over the next few years, the EU will implement the finance reforms that the UK has been blocking e.g. the transaction tax. It is almost unthinkable that they won't implement that for UK banks.

It is also wholly in the EU's interest to delay a trade deal on services and financial services in particular as the UK has a significant surplus wrt the rest of the EU. It's more questionable over manufacturing as we run a deficit. How quickly we can negotiate a deal will be a toss up between industry that will want one and politicians who are likely to cause a fair degree of pain pour encourager les autres.
In the case of the euro crisis smaller independent nations have already proven that they can. The UK is not in the euro, it was hit as bad if not worse than any other EU nation during the financial crisis but because it still retained control of its currency and had a functioning central bank it has dealt with that crisis while the flaws of the euro are still unresolved and have effectively been brushed under the rug.

Make no mistake, if the EU had competently dealt with the issues with the euro the UK would not have left.
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> woow this shinny $consumer_object is been produced inside the EU so I don't get to pay the import tax

I actually do that. Shipping costs from US and taxes outside the EU is crazy. ;) I regularly picked UK Amazon because of that.
Well, it wasn't the EU right? It was the European Communities (EC), aka "Common market". This was a pretty different and more modest institution back in '75, I think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Communities
Both campaigns are guilty of this.
I think our exporters must be feeling pretty chuffed :-)
The UK makes a lot of cars for the BMW corporation (Mini, Rolls Royce). Easy to see how at least the Mini production would move to other BMW plants, if any tax barriers get into their way. And I wonder where Tata, which owns another large chunk of the British car production would continue to manufacture in Britain.
You seem to be asking how to integrate the Pods, but the question stated seems to be about design. What exactly do you want to do?
A higher level of immigration potentially. The UK is outside the Schengen Area so has more controlled on immigration and movement.
yes, "hello" can be traced back to older forms of "attention seeking hollers", but the popular currency of the modern hello came about because it was the greeting chosen for the telephone. I believe the original suggestion was to answer the phone with "ahoy!"
Only if they are not tax dodgers...
The assumption here is that the Brexit will be bad for the UK. What if it winds up being good for the UK? The EU has had some serious near-meltdowns. In particular the issue with Greek bailouts and the conflict with germany comes to mind. Why would you want to be part of an organization where you could wind up being the next germany - let alone an organization where there's a structure where 1) such an irresponsible mismanagement of funds is not firewalled and 2) a tax compliant region (like the UK or Germany) has to pay for the sins of a country where paying taxes is a joke?
The difference is of course that US would have to endure Trump for 4, at most 8 years. The UK decision will affect generations.
> As in, they haven't been around long enough to understand the different between what politicians say and what they are saying.

Unlike older people, who appear to believe the £350million a week lie?