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> This is why the EU should have one real central government, maybe USA style, and local governments should be like the governments of the US states.

OK, where's the central government going to sit? In Belgium? No, I don't the Germans or the French would tolerate that if they have to give up their power to act as nations and have their PMs demoted to the role of state governors. None of the member countries would either.

And who among them thinks anything like a Jefferson or a Hamilton? And which portion of the citizenry would even buy into such a debate?

And then there are all the language and cultural differences - actually still a problem for the EU.

Next thing you know, we'd have yet another war in Europe.
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Yes but Switzerlan got a free trade agreement exactly BECAUSE they accepted free movement agreement too. Which is exactly what brexiters don't want - they want free trade, but no free movement. They're not going to get it.
As a Brit, I hope it forces some EU changes and a new referendum. Largely because Scotland will leave the UK if the UK leaves the EU.
All new APIs since Windows 8 are now COM based, yeah it is still Win32, but I guess it is just following their original idea for .NET (COM+ Runtime and not the CLR).

In some future version of Windows, when UWP with its COM foundation becomes prevalent, they can ripoff all the Win32 APIs that aren't required to support WinRT.

Just like Apple has done with Carbon, Quicktime and many others.
If you want to understand society better, start by accepting that there are well educated people on both sides.
You're ignoring most of my points and responses, and just repeating yourself. I think I'm going to stop here.
I agree with your assessment. I think I would remove #2 and swap #1 & #3 - i.e. The Western working class has realized that globalization hasn't raised their living standards resulting in (or as a result of) lower overall growth and this causes liberal democracy to cease to be the status quo.
The unnecessary scaremongering goes on even after the vote has been called...
True Queensland is a nation unto itself sometimes. But One Nation still managed to get an unprecedented number of votes despite only existing for a year or so. This has had a massive influence on subsequent Australian immigration policy, not in a good way.
With change people usually mean positive change. Progress. This is undoing change, the opposite of progress. Now it's just like it was before.
mostly Ireland for tax reasons
Use the freakin' debugger
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You know what I shows a lot how trustworthy a Great Britain is. Begging (you know the period where De Gaulles had his veto ?) to get in the EU because their economy was not doing great and from the moment that there are some problems, instead of dealing with those problems getting out.

That being said as a European I couldn't care for the fifth "biggest" economy and I really hope that the EU keeps their 2 year timeline (if no deal can be reached in that timeframe it should be over) and deals on EU terms. They should not give a Switzerland or Norway deal without a hard bargain. My country and region is exposed a lot (jobs at our own country btw, trade,... ) and we where slowly recovering and now we are kicked down again. In the future we need to look for better and reliable business partners.

Also it's sickening to see how this give extreme right wing parties (and not right wing in the American sense, but really racist xenophobic parties) a boost. All old is new again, it is only 70 ago years we saw the same uprising of these kind of parties. I do hope that this doesn't jeopardize peace at the main land, that I fear the most. I can only imagine that a Putin is having the day of his life.

On a political sense I think in the end the EU can be possible better of, they never had a constructive attitude. With all the special statuses it got, it was already an island in Europe.

Btw seeing how the Euro is also falling, the whole idea of a weakened pound which have a positive impact regarding trade is also seriously backfiring. UK goods and services are still as expensive, maybe more after today.
I'm pretty sure they didn't actually discount it, they just didn't acknowledge it in public. That's a very common strategy if you have a preference. Don't talk about the other option in public, but prepare for it behind closed doors.
You can't comment like this on HN, even if another comment is that bad. Please don't do it again.
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But the internet allows people on the so called fringe to see that they may not be the fringe after all.

You can say anything online and that widens the scope of what is considered acceptable discourse.

Notice how the media tries to black out Trump's insanity but it gets so much attention on social media that they're forced to cover his tweets.
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The main voices for Leave where strongly pro-globalization. So it'll be interesting if they try to use this as a mandate to go even further on all this stuff.

Is the UK unique in having pro-immigration, anti-immigration parties? It boggles my mind, and doesn't get discussed much even in the UK. (I suppose Trumps incoherence, and lack of walking the talk, is actually very similar, now I think about it).
Britain doesn't make any good cars of their own

Actually, Britain has a significant automotive industry - the third largest in Europe!

British brands are heavily weighted towards premium, high quality models. Jaguar, McLaran, Land Rover, Mini, Bentley, Aston Martin, Lotus, Rolls-Royce, and others.

There's also significant design and manufacturing presence in the UK for Ford, GM, Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
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They still vote when they're retired.
ArchLinux.
IIRC, one of the BSDs doesn't include it either.
They might accept some job loss if this stops other countries to go out too. That would affect jobs more.
There are a series of logical fallacies in this post...to the point that it is nonsense.

For starters, what is a "teaching" school? is it the same as a teaching focused university? If so, not only do the faculty at teaching focused produce research of their own, much of which is extremely high quality, but the research often includes undergraduates in far more structured and educationally meaningful ways than occurs in similar programs at R1 type universities.

Another...and I'm going to stop after this...why the narrowing to quantitative research? Your incorrect assertion that research is more difficult than education goes against not only what we know about education, but against basic logic itself. Education is immensely more complicated than most research, its just a complication that people chose to ignore (because hey, your education worked sufficiently for you).

I have worked with several of the schools mentioned in this article (and if you want to know anything about me check out my prior comments and profile)...you say research universities are superior. On what metric? a lot of Olin students chose Olin over MIT. A lot of Deep Springs students (mentioned lower in the thread) choose it over places like Harvard and Yale. I feel like you might be better off reading some of the responses to your last effort to 'solve' education on HN.
Being an EU member means free movement of capital, goods, and people.

Trade deals cover "capital" and "goods", but usually not "people". So concretely speaking, labor costs will rise in the UK (due to a reduction of cheap workers immigrating from other EU countries to the UK) and the country will start experiencing a deficit of highly skilled workers¹ (due to educated workers not able to immigrate).

¹ Of all places, the HN community should be familiar with this issue, because it is often discussed in the context of the US ("startup visa", etc).
Related paper by the same author(s): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10252691
This is exactly the kind of lose-win or lose-lose discussion that everyone (well 49 % of people) wanted to avoid. Asking who will profit from this or who will be on top is not relevant probably, because each side will lose now (at least in the short term) the question is just how big the losses will be. Also, bear in mind that the UK will not only have to rearrange its terms with the EU, but with more than 50 non-EU countries as well.

Leaving the economic impact aside, the societal and demographic implications are just as important (for me) and a very hard to predict. Great Britain might very well fall apart over this, as Scottish politicians already announced that they will push for a leave if the UK leaves the EU.

For me, this thing is just the biggest and most catastrophically failed political gamble of the century. Times are strange indeed.
It's extraordinarily difficult to "just drive off" when someone is in your car, and it's easy to not realise someone is a dangerous creep the first second you see them.
the OP's proposition implied that it is the EU's dominant strategy to cut the U.K. a punitive deal that trades off short-term pain for the long-term pain of dissolving by attrition due to other nations leaving.
> Muscular strength ... firefighting ...

This is just a strawman; nobody argues women are as strong as men.

> it's become very hard to find unbiased sources

Not really, except than for ideological partisans
But most of the immigrants are coming from outside the EU. There's the rub.
The most interesting thing is the age distribution of votes:
HOW AGES VOTED
(YouGov poll)
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain

Read into it what you wish, but this really sucks for the younger generation who did not want this yet will be stuck with this decision, likely for their entire lifetime.
Pretty good I would say. At the moment a lot of Germans are pissed off at Merkel for "letting so many immigrants in", so I wouldn't be surprised if they elect someone who is very much right-wing next time and supports deportations or even worse. I'm pretty sure that in years after WW1 people were saying that odds of having another war in just 2 decades are extremely slim. And yet.
Of course they do, but if the politicians have retired then no one is pushing their selfish and short sighted conservative agenda.
Probably not, the Swiss franc is already strong and its getting stronger. It hurts switzerlands exports quite hard. It would be better for switzerland if all those crysises would stop so the frank would get wealk and we could export more.
That's a large part of it.

Transport, comms, banking, and information technology, tend toward monopolies.

Consulting is a mixed bag -- if you're relying on creativity, not so much, but if you're relying on marketing and business contacts, both of which are far more a network effect (with strong lock-in elements), yes. Contrast your typical small-gig design shop vs. the Big Declining n Accounting Firms, or IBM and Oracle (consulting / business services).

Retail can be local (small effects) or global: large grocery stores, WalMart, Amazon.

There are other effects as well. I've been curious about Maersk's adoption of ultra-large cargo ships, even as shipping volumes have been falling. While there's a financing-design-build lag, there's also the possiblity that having and operating a large ship puts pressures on other operators -- if you're operating and loading, you're taking cargo which would go onto smaller vessels.

It's complicated.

Part of this also plays into concepts of what and how technological mechanisms actuall function: https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/klsjjjzzl9plqxz-ms8nww

I'd include among "network effects" urban and even empirical structures.
China ships tons of products to the US, however the freedom of movement between the two nations are comparatively low compared to the EU.
Squeak[1]/Smalltalk? (i.e. have you worked with what he would consider a 'real' message-oriented OO language?)

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>You can't have free movement of goods without the equally free movement of people.

Why not? Other countries have free trade without the free movement of people.
I feel like you have to be a lot more explicit about the connection between your statements. You word things as though one implies the other but they seem independent to my eye, and the independence belies your point
But basically Switzerland is accepting lots of EU regulations - including free movement of people - in exchange for free trade. Accepting those regulations is exactly what the brexiters don't want. So, I doubt this will end up well.
The optimum strategy would be to create a regional organization with standardized trade rules, tariffs and other co-ordination structures.

Since it is clear that the optimal economic outcome is not being selected, the optimal Political outcome will win.

EDIT: to elaborate on what I mean. I think that this event has more to do with political points being earned, and poor leadership than it has to do with actual good economic sense.

In such an arena, most of what the HN crowd tends to be focused is less applicable.

What I expect to happen is that life will continue as normal. Any premium which was built into the Pound due to reduced transaction costs with the EU will be priced in very quickly.

What matters is what penalties the EU decides to apply on the UK, in order to set a precedent. I expect the precedent to be onerous - sufficient for the UK to pay with its larger economy, but much harder to cover for any smaller state planning to leave.

Unfortunately this is the worst kind of conjecture - guesswork by someone not currently in the market.
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That's not the plan by everyone who wants labelling, no. All I said is that I know people who do want/expect it to work that way. (I neither want it to or believe that it will).
Except for all the US troops stationed in Germany bolster that number dramatically, in the case of Putin invading. And we can rapidly move troops and supplies over to Germany as well, along with all the other NATO troops doing the same.

Germany doesn't need an invasion force, just a defense aided by dozens of other countries by treaty. It is hardly a surprise it has a fraction of it's WW2 army.
>The terms are simple: You can't have free movement of goods without the equally free movement of people.

Why not? No movement is absolutely "free" of course, but we get lots of goods from (e.g.) China, while it is not that easy to immigrate into China. There are many big trading nations that are not at all that free about moving into them (for instance, Singapore).

The people in UK seems to think that their island is rather full. Those of us in the remaining EU need to reassess the idea to push deeper and deeper political integration towards a federal wannabe-superpower.
As someone who doesn't want this neo-liberist, anti-democratic EU I see this as a very good news. Let's hope Denmark and France to follow.
Identifying talent is not enough. You also need to know how to sell and close this talent. I say this as an engineering manager at a top tech company who got into hiring largely due to feeling like I could identify talent.

Selling and closing is a whole different ball game. You have to be a good story teller, a good listener, and you have to be geniune. You have to be relentless and unwilling to take no for an answer.

Whether you go into recruiting full time, move to management, or just be the engineer everyone uses to sell candidates, practice and hone your selling skills.
We still don't vote for the executive branch.
FWIW I don't entirely disagree with your conclusion. But:

>it's just a few

Going off the percentage numbers from Pew and the demos from Wikipedia, I get these numbers for those in favour of death for apostasy: 50M in Egypt. 53M in Bangladesh. Around 110M in Pakistan. That's 200M people right there -- how can that be a "few" in any meaning of the word?

Egypt was one of those countries with revolutions, wasn't it? Jordan is rated the most free or democratic among Arab countries, yet over half the population is in favour of death for leaving a religion.

Unless these numbers are totally wrong (and I'd love to hear that), I'm not sure this is just alarmist. But at any right, it should explain why these right wing politicians are getting support. Someone looks at these surveys, sees these numbers. Then a leader gets on the TV says there's zero problem with Islam, that it's all peaceful people, and only a few extremists. So are the surveys/research simply and utterly wrong?

Maybe it does not matter, and people that migrate will drop those views, or the ones without those views are the only ones that want to come. But I think plenty of people view it dishonest to claim there's no issue with those beliefs in the first place.

Again, thank you for explaining. This thread has given me some points to consider even if I don't agree.
Amazing, how the subconscious works. Of course, I re-read that not long ago!
This is the biggest miscalculation of Cameron's career, letting the population of non-economists vote on our future like this. He'll be gone within the week.

Every other country in the EEA has free movement of people as a condition. So we'll just have to have the same rules but not get a voice in making them. We've just cut off our nose to spite our face.
Also the many countries that get shitty deals like production quota or migrant restriction under Diblin III will hope for renegotiation.
That's what the EU was meant to be. But it isn't
Out of curiosity, does the UK have a rules making bureocracy and is it elected? I guessed that any country with a long enough history has agencies and departments that do more or less what they want because they survive through different governments. I concede that the EU case is special because it's one layer more remote from citizens, by design because national governments don't want to surrender their authority to a central one. There is a big difference between Washington and Brussels but, to be fair, also between Europe and the USA. Europe is not one nation.
> KDE is the only environment that can match in terms of tooling and UX, yet it is lacking some serious love nowadays.

KDE? Seriously? It's one of the worst DEs on linux. Any DE which isn't based on gnome is just cheap nowadays.
The issue here is that polish workers are putting downwards price pressure on the construction industry. If Britain leaves, that will no longer be the case. Leading to increased prices for construction, which leads to less construction being done. Which will slow down the economy.

It is not as simple as replacing blue-collar workers with white-collar and expecting things to turn out awesome. The demand for blue-collar workers will remain. People in Britian will in the future get less for their money (this will also make it a less attractive destination for foreign educated professionals)
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I'm sorry to directly contradict you, but that's just factually untrue.

The EU was built on an explicit policy of focus on small treaties, and avoiding creating transnational institutions. This was specifically to ensure that member states kept as much sovereignty as possible. It's why even the largest EU institutions are generally incomplete and only operate with the ongoing cooperation of all the member states. Hence monetary union without fiscal union. Hence the lack of police and military cooperation. Hence no central border or immigration control. These are key functions of government, which the EU has never been able to centralize because of the practice of "small steps."

Its the way the US was supposed to work, only with even less power in the federal government. European federalism is free trade attached to a foreign policy body and a supranational court.

The EU is more than 50 years old, not 15. it was established as a free trade zone first, to "make war unthinkable and materially impossible" - in 1958. That's the core of the EU, and it works very well for the members by every material measure. I don't know what makes you think otherwise. The recession has created a growing movement of Euroskepticism, but that's associated with the extreme political right wing, and remains a minority - outside of Britain, it seems.
And on the other hand countries outside the EU but inside the EEA still have very low barriers to trade - Norway, Switzerland or Iceland are not exactly going down the drain. The rest of Europe still buys crude oil, high-tech cuckoo clocks and fish fingers.
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I agree with you 100%. What's sad is that airing sentiments like yours is now considered anti-status quo, and therefore invalid. I suspect much of the positive polling for so called "fascist" candidates stems from dissatisfaction with that same status quo that invalidates these arguments.

I especially agree with your #2, but I warn most people will disagree. It's so foolish to think the Internet does not mean anything. I'm so disappointed when I travel somewhere and people mock my desire to secure a SIM card as quickly as possible. Why is it so frowned upon to connect to the Internet?
Specifically the Euro (rather than the EU) stops the German currency from appreciating massively and making their exports more expensive. That has been a massive boost to the German economy over the years.
Really shows how good of a "union" they left with all the scaremongering going on.
In this case it's obvious that those were a minority on the 'Leave' side: http://m.imgur.com/SneDXWa?r
I don't own a car, and Google Maps was absolute shit for MUNI here in SF. Specifically, Google Maps would pretend that there was a schedule and give you directions accordingly, but if you actually tried to follow the directions you'd get to the bus stop and find out that you need to wait 15 minutes for the next bus instead of the 1 minute Google Maps thought. At this point it's been several years since I've used Google Maps, because I eventually decided there was literally zero benefit to keeping it on my phone when I always ended up using Apple Maps for everything.
So as this vote is non binding, the UK lawmakers would be responsible for repealing the EU membership. But since Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay, could the Scottish MPs block the actual exit?
The politicians themselves I agree with you. But an unlikely Brexit is the view I mostly heard from political commentators at that time and I think Cameron's move was perceived as an empty threat.
Is modifying the free movement of people provision a workable compromise? The Swiss recently also voted to limit EU immigration. Sweden, Denmark, and France recently had temporary border controls to deal with refugees. Maybe there should be stronger adjustment mechanisms so people aren't 100% free to move en masse for now, yet still have the long term goal of achieving the freedom of movement ideal.
Unfortunate that Britain has been deindustrialized over the last decades.