> Transferring names causes tons of havoc, as witnessed.

What if they believe not transferring the name will cause more havoc?

> > What leads you to believe that the threats are the cause for them siding with Kik?

> People close to NPM keep making this argument. Others have reported that some of those claims actually turned out to be lies.

I'd love to hear more about that, but I hope you'll forgive me for distrusting your memory seeing as you seem to have misremembered Bob saying he doesn't mean to be a dick as Bob calling Azer a pussy [0].

I assume you've already seen the various places on their blog and on Twitter than NPM has said that the threats weren't the cause for them siding with Kik. I'm happy to produce them if you haven't.

> You didn't address many of my points, so I think skipping around is fair game.

I certainly tried my darnedest to, which point did I not address?

> The problem with your point is that the threat is not reasonable. Bob couldn't even give a concrete Trademark registration that the package violated (because one doesn't exist).

In my allegory, would Alice's threat only have been reasonable if she had produced a "concrete" copyright registration?

> You're telling me that a court will have no problem with agents sending threats of "our trademark lawyers are going to be banging on your door and taking down your accounts and stuff like that"?

Yes, I am. I've never heard of a court having a problem with use of metaphorical language when threatening lawsuits, legitimate or otherwise.

> There is just no way to spin this as being compliant with the Code of Conduct. None.

This isn't an argument, it's just asserting I'm wrong. The Alice vs Monsanto allegory in my initial reply to you directly addressed this.

> it is highly likely that Azer received the email sent ~8 minutes after

I'll concede this point, hopefully it's clear that it's irrelevant to the larger point I'm making.

> > Would Alice's additional emails be spamming and harassment?

> In your hypothetical? It would appear so.

Just so we're clear, you're saying that if someone fucks you over illegally, and you email them asking them to stop, and they ask you not to email them again, you trying one more time to reason with them as well as CC-ing them when you escalate the situation is spamming and harassment of the people fucking you over?

> You and Bob have already admitted to malice (here comes, "We don't mean to be a dick about it, but", again).

I acknowledged that Bob in fact did say "We don't mean to be a dick about it, but", and suggested that it could be paraphrased to include "Hi, it's not our intention to cause you pain...". When did I "admit" to malice? I was specifically trying to explain why "We don't mean to be a dick about it, but" is not malice.

> I don't think malice is actually required to be considered trolling though.

Do you actually want to debate this point? [1] [2] [3]

> kik Interactive doesn't even want (and isn't even now using) the package

They went through a lot of trouble to get it, what leads you to believe they don't want it? At the very least they explicitly say they want it to avoid confusion for people expecting a package by them.

> Why is Bob spamming again?

That's actually a great question for you. Why do you think Bob is spamming, if not his stated reason (avoiding confusion from people expecting the 'kik' package to be by Kik, the software company with almost as many users as the population of the US)? Do you think Bob woke up that morning, looked himself in the mirror and decided his goal for the day was pissing off Azer?

> "after I refused them" undoubtedly refers to his first, entirely reasonable response, "Sorry, I'm building an open source project with that name."

You're right. Re-examing the timeline, "We’re not getting anywhere with this" is clearly a response to "Azer's response to Bob's offer of compensation".

> > "fuck you"

> How is this not a casual phrasing?

It is casual phrasing, but it's also disrespectful. By contrast, "We don't meant to be a dick" is acknowledging that the recipient is probably not going to like what they have to do.

> "Azer seems to be acting pretty poorly." [hilarious by the way]

"fuck you" and "bunch of corporate dicks" aren't exactly shining gems of discourse.

[0]: "Is it OK to start referring to people as pussies in emails to them if they don't give up their names?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11383607

[1]: "make a DELIBERATELY offensive or provocative online..." (emphasis added) https://www.google.com/search?q=trolling

[2]: "Being a prick on the internet BECAUSE YOU CAN. ..." (emphasis added) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling

[3]: "...with the DELIBERATE INTENT of..." (emphasis added) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll