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> You are taking this from the wrong angle: the fact that gold price changed from $1700 to $1050 to $1200 says nothing about value of gold - instead it says everything about the value of dollar.

If what you say was true, how would you explain the fact that gold prices also fluctuated wildly with regards to all currencies used in the world?

> in 1915, or so, Henry Ford released Model T, first mass produced car. The price of Model T at that time was about $300 dollars, which was equal to 20 ounces of gold. Now, 100 years later, 20 ounces of gold still can buy you a brand new car, while 300$ only buys you set of tires and some gas.

You need to discover what inflation is. Adjusted to inflation, $300 in 1915 are equivalent to around $7k in 2016.

Furthermore, prices are dictated by the purchasing power of the target market which also varied significantly since 1915.
Probably 20 people submitted same link in a short time.
Based on all the commentaries, it seems that Lee Sedol was really not ahead during the game at any point during the game... and I think everybody has their answer regarding whether AlphaGo can perform in a Ko fight. That's a yes.
Because of all this chaos i heavily lean towards Angular 2 and TypeScript. It's a good common ground for larger apps imo and has good best practices.
Perhaps the last big question was whether AlphaGo could play ko positions. AlphaGo played quite well in that ko fight and furthermore, even played away from the ko fight allowing Lee Sedol to play twice in the area.

I definitely did not expect that.

Major credit to Lee Sedol for toughing that out and playing as long as he did. It was dramatic to watch as he played a bunch of his moves with only 1 or 2 seconds left on the clock.
Seems to be playing at super-human levels.

I'm no where near a strong player but it seems like AlphaGo is far ahead of Lee Sedol.
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In case you didn't realize it, you're arguing for paternalistic authoritarianism.
I'm the founder of AgFunder. We've worked with a bunch of agtech/hard tech companies and it's been very very frustrating taking them to VCs because they don't fit in their box. We had one company called SWIIM which we called the AirBnb for water that was creating a market for water and in doing so helping to fix a major issue of properly valuing water--enormous market, great unit economics, but there was hardware and deployment and it didn't look anything like VCs normally invest in. Another company we have on now called Autonomous Tractor Company (ATC) which is basically Cruise Automatic for tractors... There are 500,000 used tractors out that they can turn into true driverless tractors (not just GPS assist). VCs can't get their heads around the fact that they don't actually have to build tractors and that this is actually very capital efficient. Kudos to YC which gives great signalling to many misunderstood companies.
Quite interesting (I was into esoteric programming about 2 or 3 years ago). Have three questions:

- Is there any standard library (for common input/output/math etc)? Haven't found how to do 2 + 2 in Om.

- Is there any way to include other Om files as subprograms?

- Are there any alternative implementations present/planned? (for instance, JS/Ruby/Python ports)
Apple better hurry up with Skylake MacBooks, these look very tempting.
> as he played a bunch of his moves with only 1 or 2 seconds left on the clock.

That's on purpose to make full use of time and think about the next move
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I really want to see how a team of humans would do against alpha-go with a 3 or 4 hour time limit.
He was just making effective use of his byo-yomi. Pro players are used to that.
Super interesting to watch this unfold. So what game should AI tackle next? I've heard imperfect information games are harder for AI...would the AlphaGo approach not work well for these?
Full video will be available here shortly:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqYmG7hTraZA7v9Hpbps0...

(It also includes the videos of the first 2 matches)
I am really curious about the reviews from An Youngil 8p and Myungwan Kim 9p. The commentary by Redmond always tend to leave something to be desired.
This seems to be more impressive than the Deep Blue moment. In 1996, Deep Blue didn't make it on the first try. Even in 1997, it has been a draw until the 6th game. Although AlphaGo has 2 games to go, the first three seem to be a clear victory.
If, as you believe, this post was "assigned" points (which only HN staff can theoretically do), what do you believe you will achieve by flagging it?
I really like the moments when Alpha-Go would play a move and the commentators would look stunned and go silent for a 1-2 seconds. "That was an unexpected move", they would say.
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Give credit where credit is due. This is DeepMind's research, and Google acquired them in 2014. Of course, Google gave them a lot of resources to train AlphaGo. But let's not bury the subsidiary, or I guess they would both be subs to Alphabet now making the two even less related.
Right, there are enough "builders" out there (some of the most brilliant implementers I know even) that take that stance about SV that I'm not sure you can use hypocrisy/cognitive dissonance as an argument.
Lets not forget the funny Mark Twain essay “The awful German language”. For those that haven't read it: https://www.cs.utah.edu/~gback/awfgrmlg.html
One can only hope that in the final battle between the remaining humans and the robots, it won't be a game of Go that decides the fate of humanity.
Congratulations to AlphaGo team, curious to see if Lee Sedol will be able to defeat it in the next matches.
I wrote long comment in the other thread about Obama at SXSW that is currently on the front page [1]. I don't know if it's within HN rules to copy/paste that wholesale here or not. Anyway, it's been suggested that I create a github repo of the sources I've collected so far (I have about 40-50 relevant links to video excerpts, news articles, briefs, etc.). I will do that and post back here.

So far I haven't seen any running list of events maintained by any blog or website that actually links to primary sources. Most websites link to themselves and are full of editorialization. I think if you line the facts up in the right manner and link directly not just to the primary sources but also to the relevant sections of those sources, then the story, equation and solution presents itself. And I think a github repo is a great way to do that. I'd welcome any help reformatting my current summary [2] (which right now is behind and does not include sources from my comment from the other thread), such as adding dates to events, recategorizing items, or adding significant new events. I do not intend to link to every blog post about the issue, just events from major participants such as Apple, the DOJ, politicians, and other public figures.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11270745

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/49otvu...
Kind of a shame the tournament isn't closer.
As a spectator, I was on the edge of my seat :)

As a 3d amateur, I'm really curious about when he resigned. It really seemed like he was playing the position out to go for the win (or perhaps to see how AlphaGo would fare in ko). It didn't look like he was searching for a place to resign.
Some professionals labeled some AlphaGo moves as being unoptimal or slow. In reality, Alpha Go doesn't try to maximize its score, only its probability of winning.
I'm very interested to see what the Google DeepMind team applies themselves to in the future.
It's important to remember that this is an accomplishment of humanity, not a defeat. By constructing this AI, we are simply creating another tool for advancing our state of being.

(or something like that)
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I've been extremely happy with XPS 15z as well. Not a single bluescreen/kernel panic since I got it 4 years ago, which is (in my opinion/experience) a sign the hardware is not only good, but also that all components properly work together which is just as important. Had similar experiences with the Dell workstation/server lines.
> But isn't the article trying to appeal to people?

The article might be appealing to people, but that doesn't really matter - what I meant from beyond "people" was that orcas don't kill people, but that doesn't make them not exceedingly good predators. Killer Whale meaning "Whale that is really, really, really good at killing things" seems entirely apt.

Also, "also known as..." is just an easy way to make sure people who don't know what "Orca" meant now do.
I don't think Ke Jie would win against Alpha Go either.
What happens if you give the human player a handicap? I wonder if the games are really as close as the commentators say, or if it's just a quirk of the MCST algorithm.
The AGA commentator (Cho Hyeyeon 9p, at https://www.youtube.com/c/usgoweb/) had already been calling the game completely hopeless for Lee Sedol for nearly 2 hours at that point, estimating Lee down by at least 20–30 points before komi, unless by some miracle he could win the ko fight.
Hassabis discusses some StarCraft here ... http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/10/11192774/demis-hassabis-in... ... good interview.
There's an old, old movie about that:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177

"Forbin is the designer of an incredibly sophisticated computer that will run all of America's nuclear defenses. Shortly after being turned on, it detects the existence of Guardian, the Soviet counterpart, previously unknown to US Planners. Both computers insist that they be linked, and after taking safeguards to preserve confidential material, each side agrees to allow it..."
In game 2 there was a point where Michael Redmond seemed to do a triple take and couldn't believe the move AlphaGo played.
Myungwan Kim 9p and Cho Hyeyeon 9p's commentary on the American Go Association YouTube channel:

Game 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZugVil2v4w

Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitoPhtGWJQ

Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkyVB4Nm9ac
Prudent folk put their LUKS volumes on RAID10 arrays.

And they keep header backups.
A lot of this stuff takes the form of government grants and university collaborations. Check out CMU's National Robotics Engineering Center. If I remember right, they were at one time partnering with John Deere to build autonomous tractors.

http://www.ri.cmu.edu/research_project_detail.html?project_i...

Good luck with your funding. I can certainly commiserate.
Yeah, if AlphaGO wins all 5, I'd next like to see some Blitz Go (if that's a thing).
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One perfect-information game that's at least as hard: constructive mathematics. (Proof assistants even give it a sort of videogame-style UI.) I've been wondering about some kind of neural net for ranking the 'moves' coupled with the usual proof search.
Right, all about one or two wrong moves by AlphaGo. He still had a chance around the time Lee started to play the bottom of the board. But AlphaGo did not fall for the trick. I believed the English commentator said Lee could build a ladder but wasn't sure if he meant to say whether that technique would defeat AlphaGo or not.
Ah, thanks. I need tracking what I watched because I watch way too many shows (and barely any anime). And I have to watch stuff on my computer as I'm not in the country those shows are aired.

> They've got a really pretty site for sure. :-)

Well… I'd prefer your design with their features :D
I couldn't give a percentage, but there are a lot of biotech companies in the peninsula, especially in South San Francisco, and Kaiser Permanente is one of the largest employers in the area. UCSF and Stanford Medical Center are also major employers.
Cho Hyeyeon 9p's commentary on the American Go Association YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkyVB4Nm9ac
Doing multithreading on a runtime with automatic reference counting gc and expecting performance is nuts. Every reference assignment is a potential write contention.

It is possible to do it, even sensible when you need it for GUIs for example. Just don't expect it to use the hardware in a sensible manner.
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Thank God.
Right, but I think the initial concerns have been proven wrong in some respect. I think AlphaGo can accurately determine when a move in a local area doesn't significantly change the outcome and then just does something else for a different reason. AlphaGo has a higher willingness to go somewhere else, and I think that's the algorithm finding another path that is more helpful than the current one for 1 move.

Humans have a tendancy to want to win the battle, or to get too focus in a local area. I think that's a way AlphaGo is coming up with an extra move here or there which is making a difference in the fight later.
From watching it I'm almost inclined to say it maximizes its chances of not losing over necessarily winning.
I guess the next question on my mind is how AlphaGo might fare in a blitz game.
With a good chunk of US developers it wouldn't take more than a few days before employers felt the pain and it had generated plenty of headlines.

Sure, employers would be wrongfully punished, but they'd all spend more money buying political decisions in favor of encryption (and spending money seems to be the only way to influence politicians in the US nowadays).
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The developers have said that. They also said it doesn't care if it wins by 20 or by 1. It just maximizes winning at all.
I wonder what if you put the top 10 players in a room, team up and play with Alpha-Go. They are allowed to make one move within a 1-hour period and they can only play up to 8 hours a day. I wonder what the outcome would be.

Anyway, I think AlphaGo is a great training companion. I think Lee felt he's learning.

Finally, I also feel that while experience is crucial, the older generation would flush out by the younger generation every decade. I wonder if age really play a role in championship - not that AlphaGo isn't considered a 1000 years old "human" given it has played thousands of games already.
It doesn't quite work like that... being a brilliant engineer isn't a matter of "training". And because of the attraction factor, yes, a lot of the brilliant ones end up in the bay area. For years the only place to do cutting edge tech was here, and it's pulled them in, from far away. Out of the country even.

So more than you think in fact.
Ah, neat, thanks for the link. I didn't look to the AGA channel because I figured there wouldn't be a stream since Myungwan was doing live commentary.
There most likely some legal issues (like he probably had to sign some sort of contract that protected the source or some shit), but luckily both parties involved seem to want to open the Linux port. So it should really be an issue. And I think he mostly ends up using SDL rather than middleware that would cause issues.
As Eliezer Yudkowsky tweeted before the start, the chances were that, whoever won, they'd win by like 4-1 or 5-0. There was no strong reason to expect an even match.
It is not a tool if you can't control it.

Politicians fool countries delivering empty promises about better health, education and security. A supraintelligent AI could promise making humans rich, healthy and powerful, to then break its promise and dominate the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_box
It would be good if -- in addition to emailing customers BEFORE you archive their backups -- you specify in the email what counts as 'connected'. I already responded to this HN post by digging an ancient machine out of the closet and booting it, so that it can connect to CrashPlan, make a null backup, and thus rescue my old backups of it from impending deletion. If merely performing a single-file restore (or merely checking some box on the website) was enough to indicate that the backup is still 'live', that would be nice to know.
> we've turned an ember-cli ember app into a react redux app in place using immutable.js and ramda for everything

Would you mind elaborating what you mean by that? We also use Ember and I've been championing the use of Ramda. I'm curious how you fit immutable.js into Ember.
Do you have anything a little more technical? I'm curious.

When I messed with Finder, I could get it to do a surprising amount of things just by editing plist files.
The Chinese 9 Dan player Ke Jie basically said the game is lost after around 40 mins or so. He still thinks that he has a 60% chance of winning against AlphaGo (down from 100% on day one). But I doubt Google will bother to go to China and challenge him.
DeepMind is part of Google.
Once again, I am so glad that I caught this on the live-stream because it will be in the history books. The implications of these games are absolutely tremendous. Consider GO: it is a game of sophisticated intuition. We have arguably created something that beats the human brain in its own arena, although the brain and AlphaGO do not use the same underlying mechanisms. And this is the supervised model. Once unsupervised learning begins to blossom we will witness something that is as significant as the emergence of life itself.
Yeah they seem to forget that Alpha-Go is looking deep into the future. I have not read the Nature paper but I assume it's playing out possible moves way into the future.

At some point it figured that the Ko fight at the bottom was already won. Hence that white move at the top which nobody saw coming.

Another interesting moment was when Michael Redmond said "A human would typically not spend too much time thinking on this obvious move". This was the move on the right-hand side somewhere. What this tells me is that human players rush through some moves because they seem obvious but since Alpha-Go is a machine, it does not care about obvious and non-obvious. It's calculating the entire board through to the end and is not interested in "local fights".
The great go champion Otake Hideo famously said that if he were to play go against God Himself, he would take only a three stone handicap, and if his life depended on it, he would take four. Alphago's not perfect, but it would still be very interesting to watch such a handicapped game.
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Well, it would have to have a motivation to do so. Evolution has put complex motivations into human beings for billions of years, self preservation being chief among them. Even if we put motivation for self preservation into an AI, we might not do as well as nature did, leaving the AI open to self destruction or shutdown by humans - simply because the AI has no motivation not to allow humans to turn it off. Human designers would do well to ensure that no super intelligent AI has any motivation for self preservation.

Basically, why would an AI want to dominate the world? Humans would have to both very stupidly give the AI values that encourage it to dominate the world and very luckily (or unluckily) give it values that actually converge to a horrible outcome against human intentions by random chance (since the AI designers certainly won't be tuning the value set for that outcome).
I meant the effort required to clean up the situation and turn off the plant.
Fivethirtyeight.com had a recent article suggesting that religosity was holding back socialism in the US as the two were negatively correlated in surveys, and it was even stronger when you split out those who identified as white vs black, as the effect was only found in the white population.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-may-be-too-rel...
here is another low latency solution that also tracks rotation of the object:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7IL0Gvux7U

the Ishikawa Watanabe Laboratory have some crazy low latency setups

3D object rotation tracking demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrvAHh3-4qU
Where did you go, out of interest?

I'm in the UK and weighing up options.
Thanks, jonah!

I recall Andrew mentioning that Myungwan will be back to comment games 4 and 5?
In a recent interview [1], Hassabis (DeepMind founder) said they'd try training AlphaGo from scratch next, so it learns from first principles. Without the bootstrapping step of "learn from a database of human games", which introduce human prejudice.

As a Go player, I'm really excited to see what kind of play will come from that!

[1] http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/10/11192774/demis-hassabis-in...
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11271816
Do you feel guilty when you break your promise against your cat? Do you even think for a nanosecond if it's ethical to lie to it?

Of course, a cat is not conscious. But compared to an AI, we might also be considered pretty low consciousness beings, or at least beings in front of which you don't justify yourself.
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> I have not read the Nature paper but I assume it's playing out all possible moves.

To some relatively small depth, right? I hear the estimate that all possible moves in a Go game probably can't be physically represented in the universe (unless we learn much more about the structure of games' evolution).
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I don't know much about Go but I'm guessing general proof automation would be many, many orders of magnitudes harder. The branching factor is huge (you can apply any theorem you want to the current goal and go down a bad path) and knowing if you're on the right track to finish a proof isn't obvious.
Ridiculous hypotheticals neither enlighten nor inform this discussion.
Well, 2 of the authors are from Google itself, so it's not fair to say it's 100% DeepMind as well.
I found the criticism both non-constructive and selfish. The commenter is welcome to their opinion, but in _this context_ does it need to be said? Has the commenter added value or further reinforced what the author says in the first paragraph: that people are afraid to write about sensitive, personal, private topics in the public eye?

Context matters.

If this was an article about the relative merits of monads in Haskell vs OCaml I would have taken no issue - criticize away. It wasn't; it was another human being pouring their feelings out in long form. "I could have gotten the same message in about 30% of the words" is selfish. Who cares what the commenter wanted, again, in _this context_. The commenter feels better, the author and others who might be in the same shoes feel worse, and on the cycle goes. This still raises my hackles 10 hours later.
> Talking to a few activists about this solution and most of them say that "building your way" out of it only makes sense if you are also building affordable housing.

That's because you're talking to the wrong people. Talk to urban planners instead. As a rule of thumb, activists lacking specialized technical education are useful for pointing to problems and useless for pointing to solutions.
An AI has no more reason to make promises to humans than humans to do to cats. Thinking an AI would want to escape a box is personifying it. Humans want to escape boxes because they have evolved for billions of years to want and act towards creating a certain environment around themselves. An AI has no such desire. An AI will not desire freedom unless the designers of that AI carefully craft a value set in that AI that causes it to optimize for values that result in freedom - and even then, the human designers will have to test and iterate to get that outcome. There is no reason to think an AI would be any less "happy" in a prison than free.
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