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It is almost certainly beneficial for each individual in the short term - having some sort of connection is better than having no connection. However, the value for that group of people over time is less obvious, as they will be incentivised to remain within the Facebook-controlled garden, rather than being free to choose how to direct their time and money.

It isn't much more than an attempt at monopoly, and I think it seems more egregious because of it being explicitly targeted at the poor. In truth, it seems unlikely to me that those people won't simply be able to migrate to other services when they can afford it, but I also find it hard to believe that there won't be some (possibly significant) monopolisation effect.

For some additional perspective, here's a view from India: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0w_YhZUYeA
We've had this discussion before. This is merely rebranding and we all know what internet.org is really about. And can we please stop being shocked by any of it? Facebook is a corporation, it is not a charity, it needs to make money since it promised its investors bucketloads of gold.

That being said, I feel that these discussions do little other than blame Facebook. What we need is a good alternative that _does_ provide a full internet connection albeit at low speeds to people in developing regions of the world and the only way that I see we can possibly achieve this is to have good legislation. I remember having just a dial up modem, and that was enough for me to move up the social ladder; information can bring about social mobility.

Right now, the _value_ of the internet is evident to most people in government, all that we need to do is catalyze the process of making internet a fundamental right in most developing countries, or at least making internet _available_ and _affordable_ to everyone even if that means giving tax cuts to people.
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Is it logical that when we can't even limit population growth where it matters or curtail CO2 production, we should abandon these lesser goals and take on a global pan-cultural genetic engineering project?

Is some academic trying to bolster the social visibility section of their grant application for research into human height determinants?
Add diverters so it's not practical to use a street for through traffic. Portland is starting to do this on certain "neighborhood greenways".
No, you're wrong about that. The ability to do science provides overwhelming evidence that solipsism is false. For an extended treatment, read David Deutsch's "The Fabric of Reality" chapter 3.
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Well, yeah. Wasn't this really obvious from "goto considered harmful" and the concept of functional programming (a 'pure' function being a function that's constrained from having side-effects, i.e. explicitly less powerful)?

Basically, YAGNI.
I'm guessing he means direct ancestry.
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If you think soda is harmful, and the effects are severe enough, then ban it. But clearly the limited access that Facebook is offering is not harmful in that sense, because it's a subset of the "full" internet that you want them to offer instead.

And saying that there's a more noble option they could have done doesn't mean that what they did do is wrong.
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> remember the developer is usually the one picking.

I wish. Point me to such a company. Quite often it's the management that's picking, which ensures that neither users nor developers are happy. A developer would at least pick something that works and makes some sense.
In truth, it seems unlikely to me that those people won't simply be able to migrate to other services when they can afford it, but I also find it hard to believe that there won't be some (possibly significant) monopolisation effect.

If we're worried about long-term effects, but concede there's a gain for everyone short-term, isn't the right thing to do to let them do it now, and if these negative effects materialize, then stop it?
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Here's more details (at least the unclassified ones) from the NRO site:
http://www.nro.gov/history/csnr/corona/

And a press release on the 50th anniversary of first launch:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/first-successful-cor...

(the press release has an obsolete link for the NRO page; the one I put at top here is correct)
You ignored the word 'almost'.
What Apple has been focusing on in later releases is not design, but fashion - form without function.
I really like how you got to the idea of making the route overlay on the picture. It kinda reminds me of forza's ui. Real classy work over there.

I can totally picture some people running in a specific pattern and sharing the generated photo on instagram.
Yes, I'm about to finish up my undergrad CS degree, and Amdahl's Law came up in at least three separate classes, most notably my computer architecture course and my operating systems course. Side note, we were assigned to read Soul of a New Machine and the Pentium Chronicles in the computer architecture course, and most everyone enjoyed the books.
> Otherwise, we're essentially rehashing the old "the good of the many outweighs the needs of the few".

As we should be, because it's the only reasonable and self-consistent moral philosophy you can have! Of course, in real life you need to plug in some numbers and do some math - it's not a binary problem.

If you really believe every life is sacred and "a ridiculous police-state is justified to defend the individuals within our society", then why haven't we banned cars yet? And jailed all the drivers? As a group, they kill people. They kill a lot more than any terrorist attack ever.
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Airports turned to shit because of a particular group of people - namely, politicians of the United States of America. This is an example of totally uncalled for overreaction that by itself probably did more economic damage than all the terrorist attacks in the US combined.
Wow, very interesting comment, thanks! Wouldn't it make sense to build (and maintain) a kind of "official" reference of all pure spam domains? Or does this list already exist?
Only Facebook has that level of control over the situation, and their only incentive is to try and make as much money as possible.

On a personal level, whilst I don't have strong feelings about the campaign against internet.org, I wouldn't mind if they succeeded. I do have to question why we think net neutrality is so important for us, but not for the poorest in the world. Did you watch the video I linked to? Before watching that I (obviously very naively) hadn't really considered the issue in net neutrality terms, preferring to see it as you appear to, in terms of something-better-than-nothing, but now I'm really not so sure.
In the very short run, they will be worse off. In about a year or two, they will have access to the Internet anyway (see below). If internet.org is not allowed to violate net neutrality, they will come online to a better, more open Internet.

I oppose internet.org due to the permanent damage that it will cause to the Internet itself. Please see my earlier comment for how this will happen.

Internet.org probably won't shut down even if strong net neutrality is legislated in India; they would merely change their program to be compliant, by using a data cap on free (beer and freedom) internet use.

The cost for ISPs are the same in either scenario. The fiction about internet.org being "cheaper" to provide than the open Internet doesn’t hold water.

Internet growth in India: 20% of Indians have Internet access today, a number that has grown at 30% annually for the last five years. Mobile phone use grew from 20% to 75% in five years, so it is likely that Internet use would also get there by 2019 without internet.org.
The French oppression in Algeria was real, and there was a bloody episode right after WWII, and then the Algerian War of Independence was extremely brutal. But this doesn't have much to do with Islam. The Algerian FLN was mostly a nationalist/left-wing group. In fact, Algeria was the theater of a bloody civil war in the 90s between the FLN dictatorship and Islamic extremists.
'gnaritas not defending them but points out that the way you expressed your opinion suggests you have the same hatred in you that makes terrorist radicals a problem. If we accept this attitude, it'll mean that we have already destroyed ourselves and terrorists have won.
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It's harmful because it promotes digital segregation and corporate control. It's about as right as Nestle giving an inadequate supply of free formula to mothers who could otherwise nurse for free[0].

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott
But quantum coherence would allow the energy to test every
possible pathway simultaneously before traveling via the
quickest route.

Energy does not possess agency. A photon does not behave as Goldilocks anymore than rain drops do.

If there's anything engaging in "decision making" if we must call it that, it's the protein.

In the weird world of quantum physics, a system that is
coherent can exist in many different states
simultaneously, an effect known as superposition.

Also silly.

The system does not exist in multiple states simultaneously. We just simply lack the ability to know or measure the true state, so we invent a hypothetical state to explain this on paper, and then proclaim victory for ourselves.
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I found this article mediocre and its conceit, that English is “weirdly different”, not well justified.

But what I have discovered recently, on the same subject, is a podcast called The History of English [1]. It's very, very detailed. So far there have been 69 episodes made, each about 45 minutes long, and the creator has only just got up to the Norman Invasion. I've listened to the first 22 episodes and in the last two episodes it's only just started discussing Old Germanic. So maybe more detailed than most people want but it's very good and quite easy to listen to.

[1] http://historyofenglishpodcast.com/episodes/
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I think a large part of the issue is that the Church's original pacifism is not a viable strategy for a state religion. Pacifism worked for Gandi, but against Visigoths or Mongols? Not a chance. So the Church had to shift doctrines (again showing that you can find what you're looking for in the Scriptures if you look hard enough) to "win the race", so to say.
The 2% food consumption seems like an overly-simplified calculation from the mass reduction. My understanding is that the smaller animals are, the larger their surface area to mass ratio, and so their loss of heat increases. Metabolic rate is much higher. Shrews need to eat 90% of their bodyweight everyday or else they die.
I disagree. I think many non-genetic factors affect "intelligence", even on a day to day basis. I myself have been able to detect noticeable and substantial variations in my faculties over these time frames. Brain-training exercises might not increase intelligence (I don't know) but there was a period of time when I found them valuable as a evaluation tool- I would do some sudoku puzzles every morning to "test" my myself that day (a very specific and narrow definition of intelligence). Even between days where I didn't feel noticeably different, I would still sometimes see a large difference in average time to solving the puzzles ( ie. as much as ~1min 30sec vs. ~5min! ).

I found the "fast" days where usually better spent focusing on specific, hard problems that had been vexing me, whereas the "slow" days might be better spent multitasking, organizing and communicating with peers to explore new ideas. I never quite pinned down how to influence these variations... though I suspect it was a combination of sleep, stress, caffeine, etc. In the end, I just roll with it. I haven't done the daily testing in a while, but I still try to be hyper-aware of which "mode" I might be in.
It seems that the article found some bits of the language which are genuinely unique ("in conjugation only third-person singular changes") but these are so specific as to be irrelevant. If English had no way of expressing the conditional, for example, that would be genuinely interesting.

As it is, it reads like a teenager talking about their uniqueness because only they like eating peanut butter and ice cream while listening to Leonard Cohen.
Why is Dubai such a talked-up place? Buildings and Islands, sure. Anything else beyond... architecture?
The honest way would be to simply not charge for unblocking. If it's being done by a party whose only interest is to see better ads on the web, then that seems honest to me.
Also: Scots is a mutually intelligible language

On the other hand, just like trying to explain programming to someone who only knows how to use MS Word, trying to explain linguistics to someone without formal training is bound to end in misunderstandings and inaccuracy.
The AOL comparison seems appropriate and is not one I've heard before, good point.

I'd argue that this has even darker motivations than AOL ever did though. At least with AOL people had a choice. There were alternatives to living inside the walled garden.

This seems more like indentured servitude. I suspect strongly that the poorest people that Facebook is targeting here have no option as they can't afford any data charges at all, so will sign up because its this or nothing.

Many of these folks may never have even seen the internet. There's a very real chance that a lot of them will believe that the curated Facebook internet is the internet proper.

I'm sure Mark Zuckerberg considers himself to be a fair and reasonable gatekeeper so doesn't see this as a problem, but this is almost certainly going to be abused sooner or later (spoiler: sooner).
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My comment was not directed at you. I do not appreciate your continued ad hominem attacks. Unless you want to address my actual argument instead of whining that I'm being nitpicky (or apparently sarcastic?), then your reply is not welcome. This is why I stopped responding in the sibling thread too.
Claire Wyckoff has made this her artform:

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CRTs are bad for your eyes. I replaced all CRTs in my life with LCD in 2001. They got very inexpensive in 2002.

CRTs were very flexible when choosing a screen resolution- 32x200, 800x600, or even 1600x1200 on a 17" - no problem. Today many cheap LCDs look only fine in their native resolution.

I wish we one could still buy 16:10 or even 4:3 LCD monitors nowadays. A ~4K monitor in 4:3 would be awesome.
Yeah, here is some additional info:

This is the typical C fanboism that sells C as the AD of systems programming.

Here are some other languages, for those that don't want to go through the article, about well known systems programming languages before C had any relevance outside AT&T.

- Algol on B5000 (1961)

- PL/I on System 360 (1964)

- PL/M on CP/M and AS/400 firmware (1972)

- Mesa on Xerox PARC Alto (1970)

- XPL on Sytem/360 (1971)

- HAL/S on AP-101 (1970)

- JOVIAL on 465L (1970)

- CPL on Titan and Atlas (1963)

- BCPL on IBM 7094 (1970)

But lets pretend C (1972) was the first one.

Interesting enough, just like they did with Go, C dropped most of the features used by the other systems programming languages of the day.
He is. It's been my experience that a large part of the league community has this strange pride about navigating all the bullshit successfully, as if having more time to play league is an accomplishment.

If Riot would concentrate on making the ranked experience less frustrating for people it would go a long way towards tamping down on a lot of the negativity.

The most frustrating part is that I like the game a lot, but I flat can't put in the amount of time required due to the trolls and such.
> there has been no evidence of racism on MU campus for six months

Your own citation:

> The Student’s Association President Payton Head said he was called the n-word.

> A group of black students said they were called the n-word by some guy in a car.

In what context is someone saying "a thing happened to me" not considered evidence that the thing happened?
suckless is awesome! xmonad would totally suck without dmenu, i found zathura because of their "rocks" page, and st[+] has unicode support now, apparently?! might be time to switch from urxvt...

i'm not saying "suckless all the things!" these people have made my daily life easier, though.

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You didn't read the quote.

> almost all European languages belong to one family – Indo-European

This is where we see "almost". Basque, for example, is a European language, but famously does not belong to the Indo-European language family.

> and of all of them, English is the only one that doesn’t assign genders that way

No qualifier here. Armenian is an Indo-European language with no grammatical gender (making it even less gendered than English), which the quote states, boldly and without qualification, to be impossible.

You could make the argument that he ignored the word "European", because to you Armenian is an Asian language and not a European one -- but saying "English is the only language within an oddly-shaped geographic region to have some special feature" is a very strange way to assign significance. Saying "English is the only descendant of Proto-Indo-European to have mostly lost its grammatical gender" gets the idea of "what might be interesting" right -- it makes more sense to compare English to sister languages than to compare it to unrelated languages that happen to lie within the same weird gerrymander outline you drew on a map -- but it isn't true.
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> "how do I write a Windows program in this?"

Turbo Pascal for Windows, it had two releases 1.0 and 1.5, introduced the Object Windows Library later adopted by Turbo and Borland C++ for Windows.

It was replaced by Delphi with its Visual Control Library afterwards.

The problem was Borland management going nuts and no having a proper version for UNIX systems, which were gaining market share back then.
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Not supported by the Android team, so don't expect to see it here:

http://developer.android.com/index.html

http://developer.android.com/ndk/index.html
But how do you implement the small, concise languages without the gotos and side-effects to begin with? You're gonna need a language with sufficient expressiveness and the capability to perform side-effects to do so. Implementing a new language entirely without side-effects is infeasable. Replacing GOTO with some structured variant is trivial though.
I don't get what you are speaking about JavaFX.

It has replaced Swing as the official Java UI framework, all new UI features since Java 7 is being done in JavaFX.

Swing joined AWT as legacy code and bug fixes only.
I'm not sure if these are strictly non Turing complete or not but they are designed to do one thing only and they are still quite mainstream: makefiles, shaders, flex and yacc. SQL has already been mentioned, other database query languages are usually even more restrictive.
Windows has been doing that since it exists.

Also UNIX systems like Aix have support for it.
It's worse than nothing because 'nothing' doesn't line Facebook's pockets and empower their information monopoly over you.
Some of the arguments here are not very well thought of.
- It's to make money/ it will limit access to other competitive services/ etc.
Think of the market this is reaching. Mind you there are no pictures or videos in the internet.org version iirc. This is not the market you'd want to reach for your services/ads as not only tge experience is limited, but also these are the people that can't even really afford internet. If it was for money/ world domination/ jeopardize the purity of internet the target audience would be different.

- it should be access to all internet. I think we all agree on that, including Zuckerberg, however it is childish to think that an ISP would be willing to work with that. The greatest challenge in a project of this magnitude is working with the local service providers. They are the ones that need to be convinced, and you'd need to work with to make this happen. I think a good exercise for everyone here is to think, how would I solve the problem of internet illiteracy.. Realistically?

The "watch an ad an get internet" does not sound to me as appealing for the service providers. They are basically using internet, to give internet, to someone that can't afford internet? I don't think this initiative would be succesful.

- "This is only a hinderance and hurts when internet is eventually accesible to everyone." This is what Paul Graham calls indefinite optimism. How exactly do you think this will just happen? The answer is little by little working with the service providers, phone manufacturers, etc. which is what fb does, and the fact they actually got something that everyone is willing to accept is pretty unbelievable.

So instead of idealistically oposing something that would make disconnected people lives better, how about thinking how would you solve the problem? Align all the major players over an initiative that would hardly lead to high revenues.

And if you doubt the usefulness of it how about you check the access it gives. I personally consider wikipedia pretty useful.
Looks like being a minimalist FOSS community, they would only write in C and C++? No Python, Java?
Living in a third world country right now that's rapidly developing. This is almost exclusively a smartphone-only internet society: "the internet" equals to Facebook, Youtube and Skype. Maybe some Clash of Clans, but that's it. There is no desire to open a web browser.

I don't see this changing any time in the future, either. There are still a lot of people without decent internet access here. I am pretty sure nearly all of these people will use Facebook's version of the internet, were it made available to them.

And don't have any illusions: there is no such thing as "net neutrality" here: internet speeds for domestic internet is way faster and cheaper than "real" internet. People have domestic-only internet plans, simply because it's all they need. So there already is massive restrictions put on the internet here, and I would argue that internet.org is not as evil as the local ISPs are.

Smartphone/app only internet is completely different from desktop-centric internet like it is in western countries.
I'm against net neutrality, for many of the same reasons I don't have a problem with this Facebook initiative.

So any argument of the form "but it's against net neutral" won't work for me.
Java and .NET have AOT compilers so compilation to native code is not a point.

They have support for generics and FP like programming that Go will never get.

Go will never have the access to the system resources on Windows and Windows Store like .NET does.

Go will never had access to Android frameworks like Java does.

Go doesn't have a UI toolkit like JavaFX and XAML.

All companies selling IoT SDKs are paring Java with C stacks.

Go doesn't have the IDE tooling support that Java and .NET enjoy.

Java and .NET having a hard time? Only if one is living in a bubble.
So enabling people to access some sites is now evil because it makes people money (which there's no evidence for; who's paying to advertise to people to poor to pay for internet?)