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This could be the big step for the developers' dream of using the actual target device as the host for developing(end-to-end toolchain and the debugging host of course). Success of open systems(both HW and SW) comes from this marginal-looking(huge in fact) idea. So, the hardware is there, but unfortunately they lack the determination. It is sad to see Apple performing even worse than MS on this very department.

I personally will insist on "not" buying any Apple product unless they develop a strategy to innovate(as they did in the past) instead of trying to monopolize the scene...
Can it be true that Safari on the iPhone still doesn't support Web Workers? I've created a site to test it - Android seems to have Web Workers, but Safari (on my iPod Touch) doesn't. My test is a game AI written in JavaScript, which is difficult to do without web workers.
If I may ask, what shoe were you using before that and what sort of problems made you switch? How long did it take to get used to the Vibrams?

I have a flat foot (over-pronator) and am using stability shoes along with specially made orthotics. For the past five years I have been experiencing different levels of pain in my left shin. Nothing helped (changing shoes, orthotics).

Now I'm trying barefoot running. Very low mileage for now and lots of strengthening exercises. Will report positive results - if any.
Sweeter still is if the iPad has the Newton print handwriting recognition software (which was much better than the cursive handwriting recognition). I heard that many a doctor were upset when Jobs pulled the Newton from the market.
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No harm done. This sort of thing won't be in the HN guidelines. In general, if you want to show others a compromised site, make sure the link is clearly identified as such and won't be clicked on accident. Optimally, make it so it's not really live link and the receiver will have to, say, cut and paste if they decide they want to view it. Just a bit of basic precautionary paranoia.
> After the iPod, the Mac, and the iPhone, I don't think geeks still get why Apple is successful: they build devices that normal people actually want. I think there is some collective head-in-the-sand in the geek community because what people apparently want is not at all like what geeks want. The average user doesn't want freedom, doesn't want an open kernel, doesn't give a shit about standards, they want to have a slick, usable, and intuitive user experience, and so far netbooks are failing hard at it.

Just saying, but having an open kernel doesn't prevent Apple's user experience. If Apple were to post their source code to apple.com right now the iPad's user experience would not take an immediate nose-dive due to the universal law that "open source != good user experience." Please don't act like freedom and good user experience are mutually exclusive.
is a non sequitur an acceptable straw man?
I agree with the article, but I understand the reaction here. HN is a group of very smart people, and logical genius, that despise the power of emotions.

Human beings are not machines, and one of the most important things is how they feel. Apple knows that,that is what marketing is all about and this means for me that Ipad is going to be a success because:

1)When you rotate the screen, it feels responsible instantly.

2) When you touch, it feels responsible again because of the hardware accelerated touch screen.

3) People could use it to write without making sounds(silence).

4) No cables, no strings, it just "feels right" like a physical notebook.

5) No ugly keyboard.

6) No limits in the orientation.

7) First serious computer you can rotate to read a book right, when you use a laptop and rotate for changing the aspect ratio ugly keyboard gets on your way.

I'm happy for the ipad, it means computer competitors that don't get it will just copy it, like the iphone.
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You are asking a very self-referential question which you probably know the answer to. If a tsunami of iPad posts don't add much value, as you suggest, how much value do meta-iPad posts add, do you think?
> You mean so that you can program it.

Oh, so programming it is the only thing that Apple limits? Wow it's more open than the iPhone! I can wait to install the iPad version of Opera!
Right. Mind if I read a few titles from Hacker News the day before the exec mentioned the Apple Tablet?

Apple Execs Downright Giddy About The Tablet (techcrunch.com)

Industries Apple's Tablet Could Shake Up (popularmechanics.com)

Apple Tablet 'Isn't Going To Cost Anywhere Near $1,000' (businessinsider.com)

Apple Tablet: Bestest, Coolest, Greatest Thing Ever (markevanstech.com)

Apple's tall order may be making tablets viable (sfgate.com)

"Flurry Notices Cupertino-based Users Testing Apps on Apple Tablet"

The only way this secret could have been less secretive was if it had been passed to the CIA with explicit instructions that under no circumstances was it to be leaked to the New York Times.
This is the first time I've ever pulled up Hacker News and found nothing interesting on the homepage.
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Bug in iPad: 1,000,000 million hits on Google with 1,000 solutions

I call myth. That's only true when you happen to hit a bug that apple was generous enough to fix. Otherwise you're not only on your own but usually you can't do anything about it.

There are plenty of examples, like this gem, which is afaik still unfixed (after 6 months or something):
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10365239-263.html

How do I know about it? Because I'm affected and it forces me to reboot my snow leopard every once in a while. And going by the number of reports I gather it's not just me. The related apple forum thread has hundreds of posts...

Bug in any of the other Nix tablets: 12 hits, all of them from people like me asking for solutions

That really depends on how popular your device is and how obscure a bug you hit. If the tablet is running linux then most bugs will likely be in software components that are also used on other hardware with a much larger userbase. And most OSS projects, at least those surrounding the kernel, have quite active communities, with mailing lists and open bug trackers.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that there are reasons to go for the iPad over other tablets - but this is not one of them.
Don't forget the niche in a niche - at a quick glance the top 8 articles and 14 of the top page are iPad related, but only 5 of them attracted me and only 2 warranted upvotes. Only 3 got enough support to make it to the best page.

So it's not the same 87 people upvoting all the articles. They are discussing different facets, which will appeal to different HN members.

Having said that, I am looking forward to tomorrow ...
I believe it is a sign of how important this issue is to the community. I wouldn't underestimate it.
Another news with the story I've heard before.. independent developer develops a cool app.. Big company sees it thinks "This is cool".. Rips it off!
Safari has supported Web Workers since Safari 4, so if they are not in Mobile Safari yet, they will almost certainly be in soon!
It is actually quite easy to handle payments by yourself. You can go direct with PayPal, Amazon FPS, and Google Checkout, or go through a service like Kagi, Plimus, etc. which will abstract it even further.

However, I would expect most web application developers to be experienced enough web programmers, that setting up a payment processor would be about 1 hour of work. ;)
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Apples hardware can already do more than they allow you to, apparently you can not make voicecalls with this 'high resolution iphone'.
This too shall pass. Also, people have been mature enough to avoid tossing an Erlang-bomb, which is a plus.
Do you have a source for that?
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Yes! That is exactly what is wrong with this picture.

The Newton, just like any other tablet computer had a niche, vertical applications.

And it failed in that niche because of choices set in stone by the Apple team that developed it.

It wasn't open enough.

So, forward 21 years and we're in 2010, where we see a sequel to the Newton, running a proprietary OS on hardware that has been closed to the point where you can't even attach a USB stick.

I'm sure that lots more of these will be sold than there ever were sold of the Newton, but I doubt it will tap the potential of this form factor. For that it needs to be much more open and hackable.

This is just another remote terminal attached to the web, and more importantly for Apple, to itunes.

There is nothing wrong with remote web terminals, but as long as they are computers you should allow access to all that power, locking it and making it hard to put software on it is limiting, not enabling.
Restrictions only matter when they limit you from doing things you want to do. For the vast majority of consumers, the closed nature of the iPad isn't a restriction, it's a convenience.

We need to understand that the average HN reader is not the target market here. We're generally more technical and are willing to tolerate more complexity and maintenance in return for a greater level of freedom over our software and devices. The things we regard as important are not seen the same way by most people. They just want an appliance that makes the things they do every day as easy and hassle-free as possible.
How do you figure? If he joined Apple in 2005 and left in July 2009, what's the issue? What's 'a bit off?'
Thanks for enlightening me. I totally agree with you.
That's damn near Seinfeldian. No pad for you! One Year!
I'd appreciate a comment with the downvote. I was answering the question. Do you simply disagree that the most interesting stories are buried more deeply than usual?
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No, it would mean that Photoshop would have been developed for PCs, or possibly for the workstation class machines of that era.
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It's either 'mature enough' or 'topic is strikingly resilient to bringing up Erlang'. I like the idea as a self-imposed posting guideline though - 'before posting, have you considered how susceptible your post might be to Erlanging?'
You have to please everyone. From the morons to the tech savvy. It's a thankless job, because unless you get it exactly right, someone is gonna be pissed off.
> Oh, you want music? You have to buy it from us.

Lets be fair - that isn't true.
He mentioned somewhere that he designed elements of the iPad's Maps UI.
Or so atrocious, he doesn't add anything more than what the title says.

I don't really believe that - he's one of the best people I've had (albeit limited) correspondence with. There really ARE more than two options. Your point is well-made :)
Sell accounts on sites like Dropbox, Basecamp and 37signals on iTunes Store? Not a good idea for Apple, but maybe a good idea for someone else?
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That is properly great for the business, but I can't imagine you can attract even the second-best programmers if you want to use them as a glorified answer system.

I know that if I was to do this, I would find a new place to work, really, really fast.
It's a little frustrating seeing a full page of iPad posts but when I looked a little closer I could see that they're all (mostly) looking at different things. I was keen to know more about why it didn't have a camera and how this would affect web-apps - there's an article for that. :)

That said I think I'll take the next couple of days off from HN.
Cool article! Although for me what stood out in the article was not that he made his developers do customer support, it was his work ethic and his outlook on life.

I like it that he advocates "work really hard for 40 to 45 hours a week, but we believe in people having strong personal lives". Makes for a more balanced life and ultimately a more sustainable company.
It's the maintenance, stupid (or: Something is rotten in developerland.)
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I welcome the idea and practice so wholeheartedly that I feel the use of word "make" in the title is inappropriate.

It implies that the developers at Kayak.com are forced to do something outside of their responsibility -- it certainly would sound stupid to say "XYZ.com Makes Developers Do Proper Coding", however, both practice lead to the same outcome -- better product.
I guess you're being downvoted because it's such a clichéed thing to say, and it adds nothing to the conversation beyond a "Yes" or "No" sound.
Apple doesn't want us to look fat with a bad camera angle? You must be joking. Please tell me this post is a joke. LOL
Saying:
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Looks like you were right!
"On any given day, you might find him tracking down potential hires, going for a run with his software engineers, or personally answering calls to Kayak's customer hotline." <- what is this? software engineers don't run ;)

Honestly, he seems very down to earth and genuinely happy. I also like how he doesn't have a problem constantly checking his email unlike all these productivity blogs and such saying its the worst thing you could ever do. I feel my behavior is somewhat vindicated in being one of those differences that doesn't really make a difference.
> They figure the only people who won’t want an iPad are people who don’t like magic.

Now I understand why I don't want one. I don't like magic in my reality. I prefer tech.
Couldn't agree with you more. I am part of a small composites manufacturing company, and I can't wait to put them up all over our shop. It's going to be awesome!
>but it being about my Mum being able to use it without having to phone me saying that it's all gone wrong again and can I talk through 3 hours of trying to fix the damn thing.

Isn't this part of the reason why people went out and bought the desktop Macs? Because everything 'just works'?

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>but this product was designed for the 99% of the people in this country instead. You're not the target audience.

Fair enough. But a not-insignificant chunk of that 99% is the friend or relative who asks you to write a small piece of software to do some calculation for them or some quick script or tool to automate some repetitive task. And then you have to sit and explain to them that this thing they bought isn't a real computer in the same way that their desktop was.
Blackberries still exist. The iPhone didn't kill them, and for many good reasons. Apple doesn't need to kill RIM or Amazon. But just as Blackberries won't be the definitive number one smartphone on the planet anytime soon, so does Kindle's future beyond its three million market or so look bleak.
It's sad that Erlang will be - at least on HN - forever associated with the stunt pulled by a very limited number of individuals.
I've never watched a NFL game, but my impression from German TV is that the same ratio of content to idleness could apply to every single program out there. Perhaps the human brain has a desire to be numbed?
"Do all these articles really add any value beyond perhaps the first or maybe second?"

You must be new here!

Aside from the "value is in the eye of the beholder" answer, Apple has always had a bit of a cult like following even among some developers, and when an Apple product launches you can expect some links on the front page. And arguably it does have some impact on Hacker's lives and is worth some discussion, even if you think (as I do) the reactions (both pro and anti) to this specific product is overblown.

But yes, this will fade over the next few days. Just the "cost of doing business" on HN. Just wait a couple of days and things will be back to normal.
No, the device itself is not an attack, and it is perfectly reasonable that all kinds of devices exist. The fear, however, is that this device, and others like it, will someday vastly reduce the market for general-purpose devices.

There is no particular person in the wrong, and I wouldn’t call it “evil,” exactly, that all of our devices are now impossible to repair for the average person, or even the enthusiastic hobbyist: clocks, cameras, radios, automobiles, telephones ... everything we use is becoming too complex for people to understand, except in a rough, schematic way.

This has tremendous benefits, as we can make more sophisticated devices, with useful features, and our lives become more comfortable. But you must admit it also has a down-side: we lose the ability to repair, to tinker, to reverse-engineer, to understand our surroundings, to personally implement incremental improvements, etc. Each user sacrifices a little bit of control for a little bit of comfort, incrementally.

The bit of knowledge we do have about science ends up coming from top-down mandated curricula, purely theoretical understanding learned through books, rather than from practical experience cooking our own meals, tending our own gardens, crafting our own furniture, fixing our own appliances.

I believe that computers are amazingly useful and powerful general-purpose devices, and understanding how to program them can be extremely empowering, because it allows people to solve their own problems. If all you have is an iPad and a DVR and a built-in car GPS and a cell phone, you can only use them on the problems that other people already solved, and if your problem is different, you’re shit out of luck.
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I haven't seen it mentioned before, so for me it isn't cliché, and I was sort of surprised to see the story was still running that strong.

A high-resolution iphone that can not make voice calls is not the earth shattering announcement that it was rumoured was coming.

The danger of having the hype machine out of control like this is that you can basically only under-deliver.
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Just think about this question to see how this article is utterly nonsensical. Contrary to what the Apple apologists are saying Apple do not have "user experience" as it main concern. What is really happening is just a transition, Apple is becoming more and more a digital content distributor and less of the hardware/software company that it was in the past will remain, but it will not be obliterated, and the iPad is just a materialization of this police of a company that is trying to win more money in this market.
It's still harder to get people to pay, though. With the app store, users are already registered.
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No kidding. If you can 'flag' then do so, if more than 10 people I believe flag something it will get killed, but only if that happens before it gets 10 upvotes (not that I'm scared this will get any upvotes).
He lives this. I once sent in some feedback via Kayak's web form, and got a (brief) personal reply from Paul English within 24 hours.

> "We developed our own customer support software. One of the things it does is randomly select an employee response to a customer and send that response out to the entire company and to all of our investors each day. It keeps us on our toes."

That's a clever little social hack.
Has anybody given a firm release date that one can believe in as to when I'll actually be able to go down my local store and buy one of these rumored cheap linux pads? With Apple I at least know when, what, where and how much.
What about weight? For a paperback sized kindle it is about half the weight of a ipad... (300g for the kindle and 680g for the ipad)
Probably not forever. People will move on eventually, reach some clojure.
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I'm sorry you feel that way, but looking at the comments and upvotes, a lot of HN users do find it interesting. I couldn't care less when there are a bunch of SEO or Clojure stories on the first page since that's not what I want to read about. But I don't whine about it since it is obviously of interest to other users.
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Now that I tested again with two of the browsers I am using, both browsers were labelled as unique :S

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