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The newest iMacs use the e-IPS style of IPS panels, which according to Wikipedia have a lower power consuption than previous generations of IPS, presumably are much cheaper to manufacture than the other types (or they wouldn't be in a $499 tablet), and still keep the other advantages of IPS vs TN (color accuracy and wide viewing angle).

Them being in the tablet gives hope that these IPS panels will eventually end up in the Macbook, MBAir, and MBPro.
I agree that MobileMe is a privacy concern, but I don't agree that the problem comes from marketers. An automated program will serve you ads which are relevant to where you are, and it is unlikely that a marketer can get directly to your data. The real problem is when people who do should not have access to your data get it, or when those who can get access legally abuse it.
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But the opinion can be given in a comment.
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It was the first thing I thought of, and I never read Digg (or Reddit).
Didn't know that. I was just asking.
I assume it's a pun on paper size.
Swing and a miss.
As a sly way of rubbing it in?
According to rumors, TI used to do PA Semi's fabbing.
so because of touchscreen let's deprive users of everything else, like multitasking, freedom to install anything etc etc.?
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Aside from Berkeley, Theres not much to do in the east bay. Berkeley has a lot to offer though. Lots of stuff going on around the UCB neighborhood. Fun stuff. Probably a great option for what you're looking for. If you want to live anywhere else, people either go to SF or SJ.
Let me warn you though, driving in the bay gets old real fast. That and its really not worth driving back from a night of fun... if you can afford the option.

San Jose. SJ Downtown and SJSU is right next door so theres still some fun activity there too. You'll for sure drive everywhere if you live here.

Penninsula... Pretty much sucks if you want to do anything night life wise. Palo Alto / Stanford stuff is all there but if you're not part of "the click" it might be hard to mingle at first. PA is also expensive unless you go to East Palo Alto which is ghetto and quite unsafe. Make sure you look up where you move into before you commit.

SF. Awesome except for the parking part. Sell your cars and move up here! Lots to do, bikes, scooters and public transports will take you everywhere you need. Probably the best place to be in the bay. I think from everyone who posted in this thread who's ever lived here will agree.
waiting for streaming media service, bigger screen, faster *G connection, and lower price. but, really just the first one.
Absolutely. I haven't even seen a list of specs yet.

Wait and see, that's the only sensible thing at this point in time, and try one as soon as you can get your grubby hands on it to see what it really feels like and works like.

Then we get some real information. All this hype goes nowhere, not for making decisions anyway.
I just don't understand this dichotomy between battery life and multitasking. It would be perfectly reasonable to offer a choice, wouldn't it? Apple could say: if you want the full 10 hours of battery life, don't multitask. Otherwise, accept the battery life tradeoff and multitask to your heart's content. I can then choose to use the device however I want to. Isn't this how battery life estimates with laptops work?

Why does Apple assume their users are idiots that can't be trusted to make an informed choice?
There are environments that limit or disallow cameras on devices, e.g., hospitals.
I'm surprised there's no way to write on it, like an oversized Newton!

EDIT: Also, are there any new on support for arbitrary pdfs under iBooks? I have a gazillion articles for which the iPad would be perfect.
> Finally, in the algol+macro category, the case of Dylan has to be mentioned. I have a bad feeling about this language, but I can't spot why exactly. That would be worth a separate post.

Actually .. what exactly is the problem with Dylan?
I don't see how it's lame? He's stating they did take a pretty healthy chunk of his UI design, but then points out that is not all DL is...
No GPS???
There is a large market for business-oriented netbooks -- managers, salespeople and executives who are largely using it for access to Outlook, simple document viewing, and other business-oriented apps.

I have a difficult time seeing the iPad fulfilling those needs -- Apple Mail is a far cry from full-fledged Outlook.
If they can price it right (and don't lock it down), I think it'd be interesting as a low-priced/more-open alternative to iPad.

In effect, JooJoo could run the iPad success in sense it doesn't have to explain what it does - "it's like iPad, just <whatever>".

If iPad gets traction, I'm sure it'll provide an incentive for other companies to follow. JooJoo is perfectly positioned there because they (supposedly?) already have a working device.
Can you think of a better way to answer the FAQ "Does it have Flash?"
I can see myself buying one on with the idea that it will make for some interesting multitouch large screen apps / web-apps.

I can also see myself not using it much. Maybe. Will wait for reviews and to see how the currency converts first, probably.

$499 -> £300? More likely.

$499 -? £499? Less likely.
Needs: 'No and I won't let any of my family or friends buy one either'
Maybe I'm crazy but gamechanger requires more than sales.

The iPhone was a game changer because it redifined the market and got more people interested in smartphones, changing the entire cell phone industry.
Scribd: bringing the worst of flash and PDF together in one annoying package.

Thanks for the links. I wish I could mod you up more than just +1
I was talking about the soon-to-be college students, not the soon-to-be-graduating ones.
That sounds like a great lifestyle.
I agree. I think that the main impact of no-camera-on-iPad might be that fewer people use it as their only computer. (This might be by design.)
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Clearly there is a long history of people complaining without knowing what they are complaining about. As someone else put it the iPad is already so hyped up that no matter what Apple has put into it people will still complain.
too late, your secret expired. There should be a way of viewing an expired secret ;)

So, what's your secret?
Sure sure, just answering :)
And I was thinking of buying this for my mom (who's never used a computer in her life) so we could videochat.
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Does the iPad breath new life into YC's "Request for Startups #5: Development on Handhelds"?

http://ycombinator.com/rfs5.html

http://google.com/search?q=cache:YecsRNG6ZVkJ:ycombinator.com/rfs5.html

I could hardly imagine developing an iPhone app on an iPhone -- and I like to pride myself as having a vigorous imagination. But it seems like developing an iPhone app on an iPad would be plausible, maybe even better in some ways than developing on a Mac.

Will this scenario lead Apple to loosen its restriction on general-purpose execution environments on the iPad? Would an app that's a Python, Ruby, Javascript, or Lua rapid-app development environment or runtime have a fighting chance of App Store approval for iPad use?
Business users. You should see the number of sales teams and executives who are buying netbooks for simple, lightweight and long-life battery capacity use of mainstream business apps such as Outlook, Office, and custom ERP apps.

They will not buy the iPad except for perhaps personal use at home.
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(relatively) no-one in America is going to choose to spend $130 more up-front just for the pleasure of being ill-served by AT&T's data network.

That whole 'service' is a non-option in the US. At least until the iPhone is available elsewhere and AT&T's network load lessens.

They've dragged their feet for 3 years to update the network for the wildly successful iPhone. I doubt the iPad will push them any faster.
I'm not, but I'm very excited about this. Setting the bar at $500 means the android equivalent will be within my price range.

Unlike others, I'm actually buying a netpad for the touchscreen keyboard. If you have chronic RSI, the soft touch needed more than makes up for the clunkiness of tactileless typing.
There are a few major differences, though. The Kindle battery lasts for something like a week of use with the wireless connection ON (Apple claims 10 hrs for iPad). The other big difference is e-ink; the display works well in bright sunlight, and is easier on the eyes than a backlit LCD at night.

The Kindle has proven to be far superior to smartphones and laptops for reading large amounts of text. The iPad will be more versatile, but i'm not sure that's as important, since laptops and iPhones are already pretty versatile.
Probably.

Once the "this could be huge" wears off and some real reviews roll in and some 3rd party apps show up, I'll think about it.

2nd or 3rd version will be great either way, I think.
This post adequately sums up my concerns.

Here we have a device that doesn't support USB thumbdrives, doesn't support dropbox (at least system-wide, I assume the dropbox iphone app would work), is unable to run ruby or any of my other dev scripts/tools, cannot install firefox or firefox plugins, etc.

I do not want to see computing head this direction.
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Dang. Commenter #7's words are harsh:

"...What about "Wicked is the man that borrows and does not repay"?
Psalm 37:21
..."

Thats a truly evil interpretation, IMO.

Actually, it says "The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth."

Looking at various commentaries, this verse is actually about being generous and lending to someone in need, even though you know they cannot repay it.

Also, it suggests the inverse of what the commenter is suggesting, that it is a sign of righteous to forgive debt rather than demand payment, and in those days it would be quite merciful to forgive in this situation, since the next stop for a deadbeat debtor was prison.

Further, the entire Christian faith can be summed up quite nicely like this: "unmerited forgiveness of debt, be it 'sin debt' or other".
While I will never buy a screen that isn't IPS for my computer, I question the necessity of it in this device. IPS makes a great marketing point and will make it look really shiny during demos, but I think it is the wrong tech for this device for day to day use. If I had to choose between colour accuracy and battery life, I'd much rather have the battery life. It's not like I'm going to be editing photos for print on the iPad.
$500 is still twice $250, and at twice the weight of e-reader... I'm not compelled, especially with iPhone OS and App store limitations.
I agree. I can't complain about the iPad until after its been released, I've gone into an Apple store, picked it up with my own hands and tried it out.

Judging it for good or bad via pictures isn't particularly sensible.
The first thing that comes in mind is, if it's capable of running OS X. (or any other regular OS)
Where's the "I'm not stupid enough to buy the first version of anything" option?
Only if there winds up being a good writing app for researchy notes, annotating pdfs and latexing up those notes thats integrated together, I would love that
More accounting profit, not economic profit.

You have to earn a return on all the additional assets you have by going vertical. The Street will punish you if you just buy companies to make more "profit" but your return on assets decline.

Real reason is probably tweaking designs to their needs in a way that competitors can't access.
I bet someone at Apple is thinking hard about how could they seal the MacPro case too. It's the only system they sell that you are allowed to open and upgrade or tinker (beyond something limited like a RAM upgrade).

Apple is no longer called Apple Computers because they will not sell computers anymore. They will sell closed devices with a closed software ecosystem. They will also sell the best devices money can buy.
The information on the contract options seems a bit unclear - do you have to sign up for a contract to get 3G?
The iPod/iPhone lines already do that. Now that Apple has the flexible battery technology it's no real surprise--the battery is probably nearly as big as the iPad.
I'd get the 3G+WiFi one, but I don't want to wait an indeterminate number of days for it. And I already have an iPhone.
"Apple’s New Ad Slogan" - the Tech Wankers blog is just too funny.
It sucks for developers to use for personal use to a degree... but it is ripe for the elderly and anyone else intimidated by computers. It's a great casual device.

As much as it may hurt us to admit, most people use VERY little of their computers.
Amazing video, quite the tech behind that. If you pause the video and look around (instead of doing it while 'driving') you can clearly see how much damage there is to the buildings.

I'm a bit bothered by how fast the car is driving with all those pedestrians nearby and by the absolutely anti-social move where he crosses in to the opposing lane to pass stuck traffic driving at that same crazy speed though.

I hope they take that drivers license away for good.
I could get a 10 inch iPhone for a lot, or a cheap Chinese media player that runs Linux for a third of the cost.
And yet every other device they make (basically) has one...
For RSI-class problems what also matters is positioning of your wrists (they shouldn't be bent). Which is why I'm using a FingerWorks TouchStream keyboard when my RSI gets bad — it has both touch typing and a bent design, which keeps my wrists straight.
>| How many of your average computers users really care about that?

I'm sorry, but this is a terrible argument. None of my users care about having root on our file server either, but if I didn't have it, it wouldn't be useful as anything more than a very expensive paperweight. Most readers probably don't care if the authors have access to a typewriter, but they depend on that to be able to read books.

Similarly, most iPad users won't care about having root on the thing, but they shouldn't. They people that do care about this are the developers, and the work of the developers becomes the tool of the masses. The complaint about this thing not being open is that apple is restricting what sorts of tools can be made. While the end-user might not care about the specific mechanism of restriction, they do feel its effects.
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from other news reports it appears the A4 is just an Arm processor.
The "No" option.
No, because the chip is ARM and therefore can only run operating systems that have been ported to ARM (this does, however, include various linux distributions).
Depends on how jailbreakable it is.
The pro is that you can view it from just about any angle and it still looks great. Check out some of the images on the Apple website in the iPad gallery and you will see that even from an angle there is no color distortion as there is with most LCD screens.
Yeah, I'm interested in one. I've never purchased an Apple product, but this pad looks pretty neat.
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Totally right. Sales aren't the only factor. It can matter for developers targeting users, though again not the only factor.

In particular, as a developer, I'm excited about the opportunity to have solid multitouch on a bigger screen.

The first example that comes to mind is the fact that numerous games and other apps aren't possible on the iPhone/touch because the screen isn't big enough, such as two-player games on the same screen.
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I agree, but it really is unfortunate that AT&T can't get with it, because unlimited wireless access for $30 a month isn't a bad deal at all, unless of course, it is really slow and unreliable.
Actually, you're incorrect. He did not just list people only advocating the use of corn. The titles were advocating the use of corn, but if you actually look at some the references you can see that cows were not being grass fed.

Quote from the 1911 book that he cites:
"Corn Grain This grain is used very extensively in American dairy rations because it may be successfully grown in sections of the United States. It is relished by cattle. It high in carbohydrates and when supplemented feed to complete the ration the latter must roughage and be nitrogenous in character. When grain is fed some of it passes through the animal for this reason it is well to grind it and feed it as corn meal.

For the cattle that are eaten (non-dairy), Snapped Corn is the "most popular feed in the west" and "Corn meal seems to be favored by Eastern feeders"
That's a solid reference for some perspective.

I too am underwhelmed with it, but this is just the 1st version of a new /platform/. They can add all kinds of things later.
The point is that not everybody even has all of those. What you're really saying is that your desires are all fulfilled, not that you don't have the desires that the iPad purports to fill.
The revolutionary thing about this tablet is that it's not a Mac. Tablets have been around for a while and haven't caught on because nobody wants to buy a keyboardless laptop running a normal OS.

If you are worried about openness, then look to Android. I'm sure we will see a plethora of Android tablets that will be like a large Droid/Nexus One just like this tablet is a large iPhone.
I think this is just old. Some obvious missing ones for the U.S. (any background I've provided is personal conjecture):

* The palm-outward vee has meant "peace" since at least the 1960's, and was associated with anti-Vietnam protests and the Hippie movement.

* The vee palm-in and tilted to the side also means "peace" or likely "peace out" or "see you later". Around since probably the mid-to-late 1990's and associated with hip-hop culture.

* The index and pinky outstretched is the "rock horns" (symbolizing demons or the devil), which you would use to mean "awesome" or "bad-ass". Around since the rise of heavy metal music (late 70's, early 80's).
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Simply not showing an error during the demo... The demo isn't designed to show all that it can't do.
You also forgot that you can run office and other productivity software on it, photoshop, use it for live performance music mixing, composing, play real games, don't need to dock it to have a real keyboard and mouse and can plug in a DVD burner to watch more movies, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Parallels is up to twice as fast as Fusion? I did not expect that.
My general impression is that doing business with the DPRK is easier than generally thought; it's just that they don't really offer that many competitive advantages to doing so. Someone once posted a link on HN giving a price list for DPRK _software developers_ (generally without a constant Internet connection).

I went to the DPRK last summer, and it was quite easy. I Paypaled my money and emailed a picture of my passport to Koryo Tours, and a few months later I found myself in Beijing waiting to get onboard a 30-year-old Soviet-built Tupolev jet.
It's actually pretty lame, and not the original title either.

Don't bother clicking.
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No. I've had it with apple. I bought a few of their products. They're beautiful and clever, but eventually I always end up feeling humiliated by how evil they are - treating me as a user like I was a worthless money machine. Also I find it hard to imagine how I would use such a device - too big to put in my pocket, no e-ink, so it can't serve as a book reader and no keyboard, so I can't use it to create things.
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Jason thinks v2 is coming out in October. Following mac trends leads one to believe later this year we'll see a refresh to their newest product.
Erm, that's how MobileMe works. It doesn't store your every movement; that'd burn through battery life pretty quickly. It gets a position when you tell it to from the website; presumably the order comes over the same channel push messages do.
perhaps buy a wifi/3g one and resell it on ebay? (they come unlocked...)
The 1911 book quotes "corn (grain)" as being "used very extensively" for dairy cows, and lists it separately from "corn and cob meal" and "ground corn, cob, and shuck meal"? This does not sound like the grass.

However, it does say that the "unhusked ear" broken from the stalk is the most popular feed in the West for fattening cattle (those that are eaten) and "Corn Meal" is favored in the East.
The iPod wasn't another MP3 player. It was the MP3 player, featuring the most songs in the least amount of space. For mobile devices, this makes a big difference.

Compare the iPad launch video from today with the original iPod launch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN0SVBCJqLs

The iPhone was the first phone capable enough and attractive enough for third-party applications. It came two years ahead of competition.

The iPad comes after the Kindle, and alongside plans from Microsoft and others to launch their own tablets.
What calculation or source did you use to assume such a high inflation rate in just 9 years?
I call it le iMerde.

The main point for me is how Apple did come up with a such low resolution (1024x768@132ppi) for a screen that you hold so close to your eyes?
The technology is there for much higher density screens.
I was expecting Apple to lead the way.

There is nothing that machine do better than any laptop out there (notebook, laptops, etc.)
And it’s the keypoint of the Steve keynote.

It’s a luxury machine designed to spend (and possibly waste) time and money by being entertained and by buying more, more and more instant gratification items without having a direct control of your expenses.

Kudos to Apple to be the best player in this category but it’s not a tool for people creating stuff.
If it had a camera built-in, I'd seriously consider the 16GB 3G+WiFi, but without it, I have some reservations.
Nope; although I'd find the form-factor convenient, I need something that isn't closed or sandboxed.
Awesome! I've been thinking about this recently. It's nice to have this coming from the perspective of someone with a definite online presence but no business empire or social marketing pyramid. Like he says, maybe you just want to know what people are saying about you or engage in a conversation.
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No. Who is the iPad for? I don't understand the target market. People whose computing needs are basic enough that this can serve as a primary computer?

It plays video, and runs apps, and syncs with iTunes, but so does my iPhone and so does my macbook. It's too big to fit in your pocket, so you need a bag for it, but why not just put my macbook in the bag?

I'm a power user and I demand a lot from my computers. That's why I jailbroke my iPhone; it just doesn't do enough out of the box. The iPad, like the iPhone, is a closed, sandboxed platform.
Apparently the 3G version also has a GPS unit built-in.
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