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I think as long as money isn't your #1 priority, it's great to push for a fair wage. For me personally, making more money is better than not making more money, but there's plenty of things that come before that; doing something I love, happiniess, time commitment, morals, etc. You should decide how much you want to make at a minimum before you negotiate salary for any job and stick to your guns.

To answer your first questions, I don't think it's propaganda. I think the underlying idea is that money shouldn't be the #1 thing to you.

#Sarcasm
I haven't had a lot of success whenever I've decided to yell, "fuck you, gimme a raise". Maybe a more creative approach is in order.
I actually came to OSX from Ubuntu and felt like I was in the dark ages without a package manager. The first time I tried to compile PHP ( 5.3.2 ) on an upgraded ( Leopard -> Snow Leopard ) machine, I had a million problems with the system's iconv and had to recompile a million packages. I then had to delete my iconv stuff, recompile it into /usr/local, then figure out exactly which binary from the original install to leave behind so that things would be detected properly with everything else. I think a lot of that has to do with php's build and search paths ( eg, it was finding headers in /usr/local, but trying to link to binaries in /usr ) but I can't help but feeling that with a proper package manager, that never would have happened. Macports can be pretty good, but I don't want to have to have so many things duplicated on my system.

EDIT: Grammar
This totally reminds me of: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001284.html
Sorry, your friend at google feels under-paid? No offense to your friend or you, but It's hard for me to really understand that because of several reasons.
First of all, he/she likely makes at least what..80k? 90k? I understand it's not a million dollars a year but that's not a bad salary.
Second of all, there are people that would accept a lot less than that simply to work at google.
I used to cook professionally, and was at one point working for FREE at Corton, in NYC, solely so that I can say I worked and learned there. All the cooks who work in fine dining get paid horribly but work there to learn from the best. This should be the same for hackers. Of course your friends from these great companies wouldn't have a hard time finding a wall street job for a lot more pay, but you'd have to agree that they are learning a LOT more than they would there, and that has to be worth something.
> Python... [is] on mercurial

Welllll... no. Python has made the decision to move to hg, but the conversion has hit some stumbling blocks and is not yet complete:

http://sayspy.blogspot.com/2010/01/where-hg-transition-stand...
I've been doing that since my slashdot days. I completely agree that the comments are generally quite a bit more interesting than the actual page being linked to. Quite often I don't even bother following the link, because I know what I'll find, but I still read the comments.
This may be slight, but the name is horrible. Maybe the originator doesn't speak english as a first language, but the word just sounds like someone is poking you in the eye.
$80-90k doesn't go very far in Mountain View or Manhattan.
If that works for him, more power to him, but I probably wouldn't even bother visiting this site without the discussions.
Believe me I know, I'm from NYC. But that's the average STARTING salary for hackers at the big companies, and surely it will be a nice stepping stone to bigger, better places.
Only one bullet for artificial satellites? They give us

+ GPS

+ 2-way communication

+ satellite TV/radio

+ maps

+ weather/climate measurements

...and probably more by just operating in orbit.
"... I think, "Stay away from gizmodo, it rots your brain." is going a bit too far in this case... The whole article was tongue in cheek. I don't believe anyone on HN would actually read this article headline and believe ..."

Entertainment sans informative news - "to me" - is a flag for spin. A sign something or someone is broken on the Internet ~ http://xkcd.com/386/ :)
> you honestly don't see a difference between something that is backed up by "well that's what we believe" and "I have compiled statistics that prove my point!". I have the training to debunk their nonsense, but the vast majority don't.

You left out the part after "well that's what we believe" where they say "because...". Usually that's what gets people. And I grew up around people from whom the existence of math and statistics for something almost guarantee'd they dispute it.

Perhaps you find the scientific claptrap more ugly because you understand it better, but science and pseudoscience are far from the biggest masters of people's lives in the wide world.

> how many crap medical studies come out each year due to bad statistical methods combined with FDA corruption? this has a much bigger impact on the average person's life than religious nuts spouting off.

There are these countries–incredibly populous countries–where one dude spouting off religious nonsense is the literal law of the land. You disagree? You die or are imprisoned indefinitely.
If you're < 5 years out of college it does. Useful knowledge is that if you work hard, and don't tie yourself to one job, every job change you get for the rest of your career involves a salary increase. You've set a good base.
Absolutely. Remember, someone's getting paid for your work, for the value you create. If not you, then who? What're they creating?
If everything is cached in memory then I/O is out of the picture... unless you count context-switching/paging between cache levels as I/O (and in that case anything that intensively uses the CPU is also an I/O operation).

In any case, when you're as large as Facebook, a 50% reduction in CPU-cost can have a significant impact as compared to a 50% reduction in CPU-cost on a site with 1000 hits/month. If even the minimal amount of CPU-overhead (when compared to DB-overhead or disk-overhead) can be reduced you can cut the number of machines you need to distribute that load, reducing costs.
What do you guys think about doing this part time and on-site at people's homes? I'm looking for something to cover my basic expenses while working on another project. Yeah, I could get a full-time job. But I would rather have the time considering my expenses are very low right now.

One big benefit for me is that it would get me outside and dealing with people to counter my extended hacking sessions. Any ideas on a good rate and marketing strategy?
I wouldn't say the only one but there are certainly a lot that aren't like that.

I personally given the option between Job A and Job B where Job B pays less but has more interesting problems/more freedoms I will take Job B every time. I can say that with confidence because I've done it twice already and in one case where Job A was paying almost twice as much.

Why? Well in any case Job B is going to still be paying me a lot compared to most people so its not as if I will be suffering by working for less. Secondly my time doing something I don't enjoy is a LOT more expensive than my time doing something I enjoy and lastly because at Job B I'll often get to improve myself and try new technologies/products/ideas that will better prepare me for the future that I never get to try at Job A. The cost to do those things in my free time would often add up to quite a bit making the difference in salary smaller with the other difference being made up by the lower end moving up with your new found skills.
Looks like it contains an XSS bug in the way it reports errors.
No one is choosing between company A offering $60k, B offering $100k, and C offering $350k for the same work, and then choosing A or B. Most people get 1-5 offers all within a relatively small range. The fact that people choose the company with the best environment/project should not be surprising.
It scales very well - but it scales by _humans_ rather than by programs.

This doesn't mean you have to do it - you can get some cheap outsourcing these days.
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I think that by I/O in this case people mean network I/O, not disk I/O.

Edit: Sorry, maybe I was jumping to conclusions. Databases and files are of course not always cached in-memory.
What do you do with customers who don't have or can't find product keys for Windows, Office, etc.? I find the majority of people who ask me for help fall into this category. Unless they have a laptop with the product key stuck underneath, they rarely can find their original product keys. I'm then faced with telling them they need to shell out hundreds of dollars or switch to Linux. Some of the them switched, but unless they're willing to learn Linux, that's a whole new set of problems (e.g. they call you saying "I downloaded MSN but I can't install for some reason").
Am I the only engineer out here that wants to scream

Perhaps a more constructive approach is to say "I'm glad your corporate culture is wonderful. I'm sure we can do business together if you can offer a salary competitive with my best options."
Oracle fully acquired Sun.

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/orcl_oracle-a...

Larry Ellison can do as he pleases with its assets.
Risking capital.
What wmf said sums it up. In terms of who is CPU bound, it often points to a need for caching or indexing. All it really takes to be CPU bound is to use up more CPU than your hardware can offer. Once you are CPU bound, you're unlikely to push traffic through fast enough to be network or disk I/O bound. If you're caught on something else, like CPU, the speed of those things won't matter much.
Exactly what compensation do you think entry level employees should be getting? Exactly what should the be making 10 years later after you've (nearly) doubled their salary.
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Given that there’s no reasonable way to quantify programmers, and we could arbitrarily change the scale however we like even if there were, usage like “average programmer” is generally understood to mean the same thing that “median programmer” would mean, if we had such a rubric (since we don’t, “average” is a fine term). Your pedantry is misplaced.
It's all relative. There is no money for the workers in the service industry because the competition for most roles is unlimited. The supply of technologists is far smaller, however. Every once and a while Google calls me up asking to interview, I politely tell them no. When they ask why I wouldn't want to work there, my response is "You will pay me $100k-$120k. I can make $140k-$160k elsewhere". They start going into this schpeel about their 20% "free time", their stock grants, their free shuttle (Living in SF and would have to commute 2 hours a day to get there). Their culture. They're working really hard to sell me on why I should make $20-$40k less working for them, then to take some other crappy job at a mature startup within 4-6 blocks of my apartment.
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The term AI is off-limits because you'll never get funded. See "AI Winter" for more.
Neither Truman nor FDR were intellectuals. Truman especially: he was (in)famous for operating from the gut, making decisions swiftly and dealing with the consequences whatever they may be. FDR was blue-blooded and well educated (although he dropped out of law school) but he was ultimately a populist and charismatic leader who was said to have been guided by deep moral empathy for the poor that was instilled in him by a Christian boarding school headmaster: which would indicate that his thinking on his administration's policy was being guided by emotions and morals, rooted in an influential life figure's religious belief - as opposed to cold, plain, secular reason.

The examples being listed against intellectuals would be more appropriately applied against charismatic leaders who either instigate or take advantage of populist sentiment in populations during difficult times.

I'm guessing we have very different views of what an intellectual is, so let me make this clear: Being smart and well educated doesn't make you an intellectual. It just makes you smart and well educated. If that's your standard, HN is probably exclusively populated by these intellectuals. No offense, but this isn't the case ;).
You didn't, you know... read any of the words?
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I'm a capitalist. And apparently a bad one, since I choose engineering instead of finance. I'm also an experienced entrepreneur with an understanding of the value of my time and labors. Most startups today are selling advertising. No matter how great their corporate culture is, that means in order to work for them I have to shower twice in the morning, and twice at night to get skim the filth off of me. Therefore, in this startup market, money is my #1 goal, because no amount of happy hippy engineering juju makes up for whoring myself out to the advertising industry. Money helps.. it means I can put more into my daughter's college fund and hope she has the opportunity to do something with her life that's less disgusting than what I'm doing with mine.
Isn't this behavior just feeding the griefers?

I'd imagine something less drastic, like disabling anonymous comments (and maybe even new registrations) for a few days would be a less disruptive solution.

I actually find the comments valuable - I noticed the issue earlier today when I tried to dig up the comments for an article I'd originally consumed via RSS. I made 3 or 4 attempts before I finally noticed the notice explaining the lack of comments.

I guess I'm going to be sticking with RSS for now - that can't be good for their impressions.
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Microsoft makes a majority of its F/OSS software as the MS-PL which is functionally equivalent to BSD licensed.
You have a good point, I wasn't making the connection to say that cooks should be paid more (which they should because a 100 hour work week is average at that level) but rather to emphasize the sacrifice they make to learn and work for the best chefs
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Interesting. Thanks for the link, I will check out Compass. I think the widgets/plugins are really an awesome idea.
Thanks for the suggestions. I popped in the change for that comment reformat. I'm currently looking into adding filters and visited link hiding.
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No it's not Jesus's X-box firing up nor Bobba Fett. Clearly it's debris from a roundkick by Chuck Norris.
The full video is here -
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4409735
All of the iPhones competitors now have widgets and the iPad launcher UI looks surprisingly un-Apple and sparse. I don't think anyone will be surprised if the iPhone OS 4 event right before the official iPad launch contains a "Dashboard"
You're on the right path. Keep going.
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Not in California, but they are opening a chatroom during the event.
I doubt it
One can't buffalo buffalo without thinking of the two old standbys:

The horse raced past the barn fell. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_path_sentence)

John while James had had had had had had had had had more fun. (That one was from an old puzzle book I had—had had?—as a kid. I find it much like the Buffalo sentence, in that you puzzle over it for a while, are told the resolution, and then say “Huh. OK, if you say so.”)

EDIT: While my mind's on random funny sentences, this one was an old favourite of my mother's (who taught me all the grammar I know) from Cheaper by the Dozen. It is the reaction of a child, whose bedroom is on the second floor, on being presented with an unacceptable evening's reading: “What did you bring that book you know I don't like to be read to out of up for?”
Not necessarily. I went from a smallish (40 person) company to a huge fortune 100 megacorp which has hip new offices and wins awards for being a great place to work and they flat out told me I was outside their pay range for the position so I'd have to accept a 4% paycut to go there. Maybe I'm terrible at negotiating but it was the first time I had a company dictate the salary rather than do the "desired salary" song and dance.

I do sometimes feel like it is all a massive fraud perpetrated by HR people who, in exchange for some hip decor and free food, can get engineers to trade raw salary.

All in all I learned that all the external reputation, perks and lime green paint in the world don't matter one whit compared to the competence of your immediate peers and you certainly don't need to go to a namebrand software shop for that.

written on a mobile phone so apologies for any egregious misspellings
>I believe development on pureXML was recently canceled.
Where do you get information like that? Nothing could be further from the truth.
>When Facebook built one of the largest data systems around with MySQL+memcache and other open source software, it makes you wonder why you need "enterprise" solutions.

Well, you start with understanding the needs of the application. Facebook and your neighbourhood bank have vastly different needs. When half of your friends see a post on the wall and the others don't for a few minutes nobody gets unhappy or even notices it. Ever wanted to deal with the bank which withdraws money from one account but does not deposit it in to another for a few days?
MySQL is a fine database for many applications but just because it is used by Facebook or Yahoo does not make it the right fit for every application. Just because DB2 is used by every fortune 1000 does not make it the right fir for Yahoo either.
MySQL is typically not a great fit when you need to scale transactional workloads. Most people don't attempt to run MySQL on anything larger than a 4-processor machine and opt for horizontal scalability based on Master-Slave replication. Can be a solution when slaves falling behind the master is not an issue (e.g Facebook) but will not work very well if you need transactional integrity for your data. Can MySQL be made to scale on larger machines? Yes, if you are Google you can and they will be contributing their bits to v5.4 of MySQL. For the rest of us who need to do enterprise apps it si quite a bit easier to pick a DBMS that does it already and has proven itself. That means DB2, Oracle etc.
Interesting theory. It meshes nicely with the UI paradigm, doesn't devalue native apps, and would open an avenue of development a notch above web-apps. Quite plausible.

On iBooks being missing from promo shots: this is because is not included on the device. Quoth Apple's "Features" page: Download the free app from the App Store and buy everything from classics to best sellers from the built-in iBookstore. This is apparently because they've only made deals to sell the content in the U.S.
I'm not sure what was being said in the comments, but I always think its a bad choice to cut off the medium that your users voice their opinions on.
From the Wikipedia article, the following was the only one that let me make sense of this:

""Alley cats [whom] Junkyard dogs intimidate [also happen to] intimidate Sewer rats.""

(Where the place "Buffalo is replaced by "Alley", "Junkyard", "Sewer" - and the act, to buffalo, is replaced with "intimidate", while the animals "buffalo" is replaced with cats, dogs, and rats.

I'll admit it took me a few minutes to get the implicit "whom" and "also happen to".
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99% copy and paste? Sounds like you need some abstraction like a templating system.
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Out of personal curiosity, if you don't mind telling me, what's your age/education/job? I'm curious as to who Google actively recruits.
BTW: feel free to email me if you don't want to post that
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Excuse me self-commenting, but frankly I'm surprised and disappointed nobody else posted this - I just happened to catch the program by accident. Well worth the 90 minutes or so of your time it requires...in fact I'd say it's pretty much essential viewing for hackers.
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I can't promise any turnout numbers or particular qualifications, though.
Not true for everyone. I've gotten offers between $95-220k recently for a software developer position. I didn't choose the top end, though if given the choice again, I don't know. I also have other friends in the same situation. One chose the top end, the other is still thinking, but will probably choose mid-range. Sorry to be vague and anonymous.
Adobe created PostScript, but since then, almost everything has been an acquisition.

- Photoshop from Thomas and John Knoll

- PageMaker from Aldus

- FrameMaker from Frame

- Flash, Flex, Dreamweaver, ColdFusion, et al. from Macromedia

O.K., Illustrator was developed in-house, but you can almost call that a PostScript editor. And PDF is a more portable version.

I don't know the development history of Premier. A copy of Avid?

Well, I'm sounding pretty negative about Adobe as a tech innovator (I actually preferred the Macromedia vibe), but I've still paid my bucks for Creative Suite, and I'm a fan of their (mainly well-designed) tools.
I remember one from grade 5 which is kind of similar ... "I saw a saw to saw a saw "

(The Buffalo based is definitely not easy to comprehend in the first go)
Even supposing Apple has perfect inspections, the workers only need money to buy goods on their local market - and their local goods and services going to be much cheaper because they're manufactured under those same poor working conditions. So Apple still gains from Chinese working conditions.
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> There's no need to write separate code to help the server figure out which values need to be sent to the client: the server can do this by simulating the UI.

Interesting approach.

The screencast is very good.

Wonder if that 1500 line todo list app is part of Asana?
They have a point, but it's more Mozilla (and Microsoft's) fault than anyone else's.
http://founderdating.com/ is trying to fit this niche. Also check out Startup Weekends (was started to address this problem).
The phenomenon isn't limited to engineers. People in all fields are willing to take less money for work they enjoy more. There are some kinds of work people like so much they'll do it for free: e.g. writing open source software.
I'm planning on going, looks like a fantastic panel!
I respect the ambition, but doesn't it seem like a waste of time and money for a brand new startup to focus on the creation of a brand new language (+compiler +debugging facilities +documentation for new employees +libraries +...) before making the core product? I understand the argument that better languages = increased productivity. But designing a new language is a serious investment, and unless what they've made is so revolutionary that it completely changes the web development paradigm, it doesn't seem as if it would pay off.