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Since when has Apple "promised" anything about the iPad? Most/all of the hype around it was externally-generated.
It seems their main target is the macbook-buying college student. I wish this thing doesn't cost more than 499 ($599 max).
I don't understand what you're getting at. You seem to be saying that because this new device builds on years of highly successful platform development that this is a bad thing. I disagree with that.
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Yeah - it's a big iPod. yawn

As an instant-on, full-page web browser, it's far more useful than a netbook, but it's pretty underwhelming for everything else.

With shorter battery life, greater cost, and more eyestrain than the Kindle, I doubt it will have much impact on the e-reader market.
Indeed. Apple is allowed to whiff every now and then just like everyone else.
you accidentally, i.
No keyboard. Less space than a netbook. Lame.
Data plans seem compelling. $14.99 for 250MB, $29.99 unlimited + no contract.
Yes I am sure. Many of my friends weren't able to let go of the phone for several days. It should be noted that none of us are heavy SMS or other text users; the most I need keyboard for it to setup email/password so I can read email and an occasional quick web search.
Cargo cult is when you copy what something looks like, without it working like it should. Iphone-looking checkboxes not on an iphone fit that really well.

I apologize for not having a link to the words that have come out of the mouth of every designer I've worked with.
I think the muted enthusiasm stems from the fact that there are multiple competitors at or close to release - it's good, great specs, but not 'like nothing else you've ever seen' (so far anyway). Mind you the price is going to help, a lot.

They probably won't build up the same market lead they did with the iPhone, which has only been technologically overtaken in recent months.
Starts at $499. Suck that, netbooks.
499 it is!!! Yay!
$500 is...impressive.
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i was underwhelmed until I heard the price: at $499 this thing is going to be a huge hit.
And $629 unlocked to take to what ever 3g network you want.
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No, he is suggesting that expectations on this one were way beyond what AAPL is delivering today.
It's not bad, but it is boring. This event was waaaaaayyyy overhyped.
Fully control the supply chain? Please don't editorialize like that.
It was great how Steve fully acknowledged the problem with tablets, "So all of us use laptops and smartphones... the question has arisen; is there room for something in the middle. We've wondered for years as well -- in order to create that category, they have to be far better at doing some key tasks... better than the laptop, better than the smartphone."

Then he proceeded to introduce a device that underperforms vs either smartphones or laptops in almost every way.
Well, that would be 649 then.
$499 unlocked... cheaper than the unlocked iphone.. I say possibly wow!
there it is, i think. the no-contract 3G deal with AT&T, it being priced at $30/mo unlimited data, and then the price of the tablet itself starting at $500.

that is pretty impressive.
The pricing suggests they plan to make a lot more money selling apps & books/magazines than the hardware itself.
I guess it was probably written by an American. Also the meaning of hand gestures changes over time, so some of them might have been rude in the past, but are safe now.
Apple's investment is in ObjC; I don't see them doing any work on Go.
Wow. I was expecting $899 and up. I don't need it, but at that price...
however, all model are shipped as GSM unlocked so there's nothing stopping anyone from signing up with another GSM provider.
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I think the biggest wow moment might be the price: "pricing starts at $499" is probably something no one would have expected.
Why an ips display on the iPad?
I checked out the apple announcment, and though their chip might be interesting, I was more curious about the ips display.

The wikipedia entry doesn't really provide any info on why this would be a good choice for the ipad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD#In-plane_switching_.28IPS.29

Any ideas?
$829 for 64GB + 3G.
plus the no-contract AT&T 3G data deals are nice.
Why does 3G need to cost $130 extra though? Is the component that expensive, or just a way to capture more value from customers who can afford it?
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"We have another dock that's interesting... the keyboard dock."
I don't know how I feel about this. Part of me wants to say this'll be a great light mobile device to carry around, and the other part says this is somewhat useless as I can do most of these things on my iPhone. I really don't see anyone using iWork on the iPad to create presentations or documents. You usually wanna crank that stuff out quickly, and the speed at which you can type up a slide title, browse the net for an image, copy and paste it over, etc, on a laptop is, I'm assuming, far greater than you'd be able to do it on the iPad. Not to mention, I'm worried that typing on this thing is going to be extremely awkward. The keyboard is too big to use while holding the iPad with your hands (unless you're a hunt and peck typer), and laying it on a flat surface will mean you'll have to hunch over to see what you're typing. The screen real estate is great, and I can definitely see myself using it to read books, but for $500, I'm not quite sure it's worth it. I would've loved to see them unveil some sort of medical charts app for use in hospitals. That would've been a wow moment for me. But they didn't, so I'm torn.
Here's a question: Will AAPL de-emphasize the iPod Touch? It seems like the Touch is now in a bit of a no-man's land: It doesn't have a phone or 3GS go-anywhere connectivity, and won't be as compelling as a game or surfing platform.
Can you be a little more specific as to what would have met your expectations?
The price is tempting. But I don't like the mindset of bigger ipod touch (app store and the closed OS).
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Looks like you got your wish:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-...
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Good price for an unlimited plan, plus unlocked out-of-the-box.

Also, I have good reason to believe that AT&T's exclusivity deal with Apple is ending around June. If that's the case, expect to see other data carriers run with this too.
Keyboard dock was just announced.
Maybe they pay back AT&T for the 3G deal?
I agree that the name is lame. Regarding Apple and Flash, Gruber has a pretty good overview: http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash
Can't wait to see what other devices like this will be out there in a matter of months based on Nvidia Tegra - and at what price. Could this be the downfall of netbook growth?
Thinner & lighter than any other netbook?
$499 for the base model makes it a whole lot more attractive than the $800-$1000 a lot of us were expecting . . .
Charging $100 extra per 32GB must be a big money maker for Apple. I just bought a 32GB USB stick off newegg for $70 and considering Apples buying power, it probably costs them a lot less.
Not sure why would anyone want the 499 model...too bare bone to be useful.
Keyboard dock available. Obviously, not part of the $499 package, but still, it's out there.
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you can have root on a netbook...
My netbook was $279 with a 6 cell battery and a 160GB harddrive. That's throw away money! But at $499 for 16GB that's not really in the same market.
What about a camera? Did I miss anything?
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to devalue the 'interestingness' of your post. So I suppose I owe you two putups ;)

1. I didn't know what Baidu was, let alone expect a search-engine to have so much more traffic than Google, although it doesn't surprise me given China's agenda.

2. I thought your 'bar scene' metaphor was very clever.

For the most part though, China's behavior does not surprise me, and although I have never been to China the current contract does a majority of it's business in China and even has an office there. Where one my duties was 'unblock their web-site from the internet' because their site was hosted here in the states and shared an IP with a naughty domain name. If China really thinks they can censor the internet, so be it, it's a pipe dream thanks to proxy servers that remain unblocked. China's effort is merely an inconvenience if a citizen is so inclined to getting the information they want on the web.

As far as Google goes, at least they tried and I salute them for at least making the effort, no matter how many features they removed and constraints they implemented at least they tried to show the people of China what they were about, and I am hoping they are not going to give up in that regard. If anything I think Google should wage an 'information war' on China in order to reverse the Governments efforts of censoring the web.

EDIT: just realized that you replied to a deleted post and not my own. :3
I wonder if it will come with wings? So we can (say) safely use it while exercising ;-)
I get the reference, but can you explain why people want something that is not easily portable in a pocket, but has fewer features than a laptop? If it's basically meant to be an extremely usable netbook (low price, web/email/etc), then I can get behind it.
3G, decent processor, Mac OS X instead of iPhone OS, front camera...
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Perhaps you miss the author's point: he doesn't say corn fed beef is better, only that the claim that no cows were fed corn until 60 years ago is a lie.

Pointing out a hole in X's argument doesn't mean you disagree with X. You could well agree with X, but prefer that it be supported by non-fallacious arguments.
I think he was poking at the classic iPod review on slashdot.
OLEDs aren't ready and e-ink can't support Apple-style GUIs, so that leaves LCDs. IPS is the highest-quality type of LCD.
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/1816257...
... is still not quite $899, the floor of the expectations.
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Pretty much the ideal "family" computer for all things consumer.

Most people have no need for Macbook computing power.
Sure.. but it's ugly next to the iPad and as Steve Jobs has proved time and time again looks count. At a $499 starting price this might not kill Kindle but it will take a huge bite out of its market. There is clearly no doubt about that.

EDIT: I am a Kindle owner btw.. I even wrote a blog post defending it against the new Apple tablet but after seeing this I have to change my mind. I had no idea that Apple was pursuing publishers to this extent. That was Amazon's greatest strength but it appears that position is greatly weakened by this news.
where on earth do you get your title from? the us is in the ring; norway is nowhere near it.
"But let's also be honest and say that Flash is the reason we all have fast, reliable, ubiquitous online video today. It's the reason that YouTube took off & video consumption exploded four years ago. It's the reason we have Hulu, Vimeo, and all the rest. [...] Macromedia was the only company that delivered truly ubiquitous (99% penetration) video playback."

"truly ubiquitous": http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/vers...

I don't know where to find other (read: relevant) statistics on this topic, so if anyone else does, that'd be great to have here.

Because you can't damn well claim Flash's ubiquity to be the reason for all these several-years-old occurrences and then cite penetration statistics from 2009 as your evidence. In fact, in the absence of telling data, I'm inclined to believe YouTube taking off is more the reason for Flash's ubiquity than the other way around. But that's just a hunch-- a hunch perhaps supported by this later snippet: "[M]ore than three quarters of online video now streams in Flash formats (up from 25% three years ago)."

Additionally, it's simply illogical to claim that "[w]ithout [Flash], we'd all still be bumbling along" when the only evidence provided for said claim is ubiquity, regardless of whether Flash was anywhere near as ubiquitous as Nack leads his readers to believe.

Hypothetical scenario: Flash never existed. Now what? No other video standard would've achieved ubiquity in its place? Why is that conclusion so certainly the case? We're not talking about static technologies with substantive and unalterable differences between them. We're talking about dynamic technologies capable of changing and improving any measure of quality relatively quickly, if need be. What am I to believe next? That if the English had never survived the Middle Ages (let's say the would-be King Arthur had a sore arm one fateful day) then the world today, with absolute certainty, would not have a global language/lingua franca at all? French, Spanish, Chinese, et al. could never have done it in time for me to sit on my computer in the 21st century? That we'd all "still be bumbling along"? C'mon, Nack.
> Mac OS X

That would have been a bad thing with a touch screen IMO.
Also runs on Apple's own silicon. The A4.
I wasn't impressed until I saw the price and the thought of paying $30/month for 3G without a contract. I can take this on a trip, use maps for navigating my route, get on the road and hand it back to the kids to watch a movie on iTunes on a reasonably sized screen. I can think of a bunch of ways I could use this. I also really don't like talking on the phone, so I don't really want voice anyway. :-)
Truth is between my laptop and my iPhone, there really isn't space left for another $500 device. If I can take the iPad around I can take my laptop too. IPad can't beat iPhone in terms of taking out of my pocket and quickly getting some info. Can't be my laptop because it can't run my work apps.

It's an entertainment device that can't fit in my pocket, and can't work like a bigger computer. I've got some space for it in my bathroom though, however doctor says I shouldn't sit there too long.

Seriously if it ran OS X it might be enticing, but why get an oversized iPod touch that can't fit in your pocket.

I'm going to wait for the iPhone with pico projector embedded.
I'm teaching CS1 right now, and am daily reminded about just how utterly awful compiler messages are if you don't already understand how compilers work. Not only is this a good idea in general, it also adapts nicely to the educational case: the likely use-case to trigger a particular parser error state might be different for a beginner, and thus require a different error message, but it sounds like it would be easy to swap out one (state,nexttok)->errmsg mapping for another.
EDIT: Rereading and following your link, I think that link that you provided does offer a strong reason. Apple places appearance including the functional part of appearance near the top of a list of requirements. I imagine Jobs would quickly shoot down a product that would have users complaining about viewing angles and difficulty sharing the experience/use with (social / physically present) company. And good color reproduction also fits into this requirement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lcd#Drawbacks

LCD panels using TN tend to have a limited viewing angle relative to CRT and plasma displays. This reduces the number of people able to conveniently view the same image – laptop screens are a prime example. Usually when looking below the screen, it gets much darker; looking from above makes it look lighter. This distorts the colors and makes cheap LCD monitors unsuitable for work where color is important, such as in graphic design work, as the colors change when the eyes are moved slightly up or down, or when looking either at the top of the screen or at the bottom from a fixed position. Many displays based on thin film transistor variants such as IPS, MVA, or PVA, have much improved viewing angles; typically the color only becomes a little brighter when viewing at extreme angles, though much of the improvements on viewing angles has been done[citation needed] on lateral angles, not on vertical ones.
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I don't have a need for one of these things, but I think it might be great for my mother or grandmother.
Quoting http://live.gizmodo.com

"they use IPS technology, for better off-angle viewing, claims Apple"
I'm guessing their target market for the iPad won't really care too much about that; plenty of non-technical laptop users already have enough trouble installing/uninstalling software, so something like the app store that makes it easy to find and install stuff, and safe to do so, is probably actually a win for those people.
The target demographic for this device may not be current iPhone, iPod or MacBook users. Consider the many people that want MacBooks but can't afford them. The iPad + keyboard dock is a lower-cost alternative, especially with iWork applications for $10 a pop.

I see this product as doing nothing but growing Apple's customer base.
I wasn't sold on it till the price (assuming they can get it here to the UK at as reasonable a price) - that would tempt me as a casual use "sat in bed" device. I often use my iPhone like that so if it turns on as fast as that I would buy it.
You gotta remember that Amazon has been out there in the market executing for over the last year while others have been developing. Plus Amazon has the inside lane with publishers. And Amazon's infrastructure is second-to-none.

Kindle-killer? Don't think so. If I had to bet on Apple vs. Amazon I'd put my money on Amazon.
I don't get it. Why is his comment Digg-like? It seems adept to me.
I see a platform that will let Steve do a lot of "and that's not all..." in future presentations. Maybe live hd tv, video calling, augmented reality, and other wow moments in the future that wouldn't have worked on a smaller screen quite so well and need either touch, or a sturdy portable device to be practical.
Um? Um? UI blind? Making an iPod touch bigger is a hard task. As far as I can see Apple seems to have done well.
I could imagine this being the perfect device for my grandparents.

They can't use a mouse properly, the iPhone screen is too small for surfing the web.
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Another good book I'd recommend is Hot Button Marketing by Barry Feig.

I've read quite a few others, but none that really jump out that would be a great read for someone who's not a marketing person.
I know there are HN posting standards, but not all editorialization is bad. I find some opinions interesting and it gives you an angle to confirm or falsify when reading the article.
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Pretty amazed there is apparently no front camera.

That's the wow moment I was waiting for.
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A college student with a MacBook is NOT going to get this. They lug around a computer already, what's the point of lugging an ipad around too?
Honestly, I'm just disappointed that something bridging the gap between iPhones and laptops doesn't have Flash or app backgrounding.
Well, the device is unlocked, so you can just pop in any SIM card? Right?

Oh, right. You’re in the US. So you can’t :)
Huh? Much of the Netherlands is below sea level. That's their unique expertise. Erosion from above sea level stuff is an issue almost everywhere.

And, it's not clear that erosion is high on Haiti's list of significant problems.
Except that the Air has a much different price point.
I can see getting this for my mom. All she needs is email and some light web browsing.
And just think, 10 years ago we were sitting on the X axis as far as current deficits and somewhere in between 25-50% for overall debt as a percentage of GDP.. we were solidly in the green zone.
As far as I know, they aren't making screens, batteries, memory, and lots of other components, so they are yet to fully control the supply chain, but they are one step closer.

However, I wonder how the business scale of building their own processors is going to work for the.
Will the A4 move into the iPhone products?
If the iPad isn't a huge success, that processor is going to cost them more than having bought from a chip supplier.

What tech does the new processor really bring?
I don't fucking see iWork on my fucking iPhone, or on a netbook for that matter, so let's not conflate the two.

Well, any hackintoshed netbook could run iWork, so there's that.
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swap the "-" and "i" and read again
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For $499 I'm tempted. I would definitely get it over a Kindle, I just don't know if I have a need this type of device.
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Or maybe everyone is just using imprecise language here. When I think of corn fed beef I think of cows being fed feed that's 60-80% corn. When I think of grass fed beef I think of cows that eat enough grass that they at least don't need antibiotics to live longer to go to slaughter.
Presentation just finished. I have to say I'm disappointed. First point is trivial; they should have gone with a new name like iSlate. Playing off of your own products name (IPod) is weak marketing. It sounds like something somebody would try to knock off an iPod with.

Actual problems with the iPad:

1)It should have 128GB of storage available. I understand this would lead to a big price leap, but availablility would be nice

2) They should've gone 16:9 Aspect Ratio. EVERYTHING is that ratio now. Notice all the vids didn't fit the screen? Furthermore, the keyboard built in would be much more effective with the increase in dimensions.

3)Thank the lord they have 3G. If they didn't I would've lost it. But why can't they just put this on the same bill as my phone? THAT would've been a good contract negotiation. That way Phone providers get even more of our data usage and it's built in. This would help me use up my 6GB monthly dataplan. I want simplicity Apple, not another plan to activate.

The battery life is brilliant though.
Also pointed out in the comments is the fact that "fodder corn" or "stalks of Indian corn" (from two of the cited quoted) actually refer to the entire corn plant, i.e. a grass.
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