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It's a largely irrelevant question for the simple fact that IF the twins have separate brains and thus are not one entity, then the second twin is almost certainly guilty of conspiracy and/or being an accomplice to any act that twin #1 does. Thus both twins will require punishment anyway.

If the second twin informs on the first, then the situation put forward in the hypothetical question can arise, but that's not very likely.

There are a few situations where the crime isn't serious enough to warrant a serious punishment for being a conspirator or accomplice, but those can probably be dealt with by a more lenient form of punishment on the first twin - house arrest over prison time, etc. That would be up to the judge in such a case, and such a judge is likely to receive medical/psychological advice on sentencing in such a rare and usual case.

Conjoined twins are likely to remain a rare enough occurance that we don't really need to ponder the legal issues of punishment until they're needed, and codifying them as a special case is probably not necessary.
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I made a native Python module for MS Word docx
I think the problem with markdown is that it's too complex to write a good parser in a few lines of code, otherwise there would be no "open source obligations" issues at all, because what is really needed in a markup system is that it is widely accepted, all the rest will follow, unless the format is so complex to implement well that most of the implementations will be hacks.

I also don't like how it looks from the human point of view, but this is just my opinion and I guess it's not very common as my feeling is that most people love markdown.

Given that this is the standard de facto at this point I guess that what's really needed is to write an high quality, fast, simple, reference implementation written in an algol-like language (guess what? The good Haskell implementation does not qualify), and share it under a BSD license so that it will be both the specification and the reference implementation everybody will use to derivate their Python / Ruby / C / ... solid implementations of markdown.

This is the perfect project to emerge in the coding community with little efforts if you are smart. It's a few days of work and it is very useful to many people, so what are you waiting for? :) Get some coffee and start coding now instead to waste all your time on hacker news! Then setup a page for your code and write a blog article explaining what are the hard part and tradeoffs about implementing markdown, and possibly how markdown could be enhanced. Don't worry, most of us understand that what you produced is FREE and will just praise you, without obligations ;)
The difference is that they completed the computation of the rainbow tables, which are required to make this attack practical, and made them public (although the webserver with the torrent files is currently down: http://reflextor.com/torrents/). Of course theoretically this attack is known for quite some time, but making it practical by providing the equipment and rainbow tables is new.

Interesting enough they planned to do a workshop today, where you could bring your GSM data and they wanted to try to decrypt it. However, due to legal reasons they had to cancel it (http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/wiki/The_demonstration_is...).
Hi Hacker News,

I was recently wandering around StackOverflow and PyPI and wondering why the only solutions to make MS Office documents from Python seemed to be based around either COM automation,
OpenOffice automation, or calling Java or .net libraries.

So I made this module, which reads and writes Microsoft Office Word 2007 docx files. These are referred to as 'WordML', 'Office Open XML' and 'Open XML' by Microsoft.

They can be opened in Microsoft Office 2007, Microsoft Mac Office 2008, OpenOffice.org 2.2, and Apple iWork 08.

The docx module has the following features:

Making documents

• Paragraphs

• Bullets

• Numbered lists

• Multiple levels of headings

• Tables

Editing documents

Thanks to lxml module, we can:

• Search and replace

• Extract plain text of document

• Add and delete items anywhere within the document

• Run xpath queries against particular locations in the document - useful for retrieving data from user-completed templates.

It's only a couple of hundred lines - lxml does most of the heavy work - but it's incredibly simple to use, check out example.py in the link.

Hope you find it useful.

Mike
Cute. But it misses an important point in Jeff Atwood's original post, which was that John Gruber got actively hostile when someone else extended his Markdown code in a way he didn't approve of. If nothing else that was in poor taste.
Depends on how you define thread.
There are enough questions about where their numbers come from that it would be advised to think before using them as any more than a guide to some costs involved.

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How on earth did they pull that off with only 6 cups?
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Interesting. Does Kodak have the best archival paper (and the tint) on the market?
Then it wouldn't be rolling, you need a surface for it to roll. Atleast that is my understanding !
I'm the same way - I have probably 20-40 that I would get rid of cheap if I could find an easy, non-managed way to offload them. I've tried a few of the services through the years (like sedo) but haven't had much luck.
Think up ideas for them and launch some interesting websites. If you don't have the time, list them here and get the community to do it for you.

I am a web designer and I can design the websites, if anyone's interested.
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You can try selling it at http://brandstack.com/. You'll never know... someone might be interested in your domain.

best of luck!
>Loop knocks Python's trivial list comprehensions into a cocked hat.

CL could really use something like Python's generators though. The loop macro is an ugly hack in comparison.
Doesn't work in Chrome 1.0.154.55 ..... :)
Totally - and not just little details like passwords but big details like multiple security question answers and social security numbers (when negotiating bigger ticket items).
ftp://ftp.ccc.de/congress/26C3/mp4/

has all the currently available official recordings of the 26c3. i think the gsm talk was labeled "gsm srsly" or sth like that
Anyone thinks its a good idea to launch a site, where people can contribute domain names. And the community can develop some cool sites, sort-of like open source web development.
Thanks, that makes sense.
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Rooms should not disappear from the map. It is OK to hide unknown rooms, but once it has appeared on the map it should be visible forever (perhaps grayed).

Mark rooms where you have died with a little sign in the map. So you can avoid them for some time.
I like the idea as well but I can imagine that $10/hr employees are not trained/educated/{whatever adjective you pick} enough to do the negotiations. The proof is there: they are working for $10/hr. If they had quality skills like that, they wouldn't be making $10/hr in a call center. This means they would require extensive training (which would up the overall cost, particularly the upfront cost to get started).

Now as to the idea, I think it falls into the, "I'd use that" category from a user perspective and would have a B2C model; in my view of it, you would sell directly to consumers or partner with companies to sell at a discount to their members/userbase.

* How do you bill? Do you bill differently for monthly bills (i.e. utilities, car loans) vs. one-time expenses (i.e. jewelry purchase)?

* Is this an unbiased service or will your company step in at "just the right time" and say, "You can save $100 on car insurance right now with our preferred provider!"

* What is the average amount to be negotiated?
If it is $100/month bill, then you should be able to negotiate down to $85-$89.99/month. That means you save the customer, on average, $12/month in that scenario. How do you convince me, the customer, that your price is worth my saving $12 a month?

* How much did it cost you, the entrepreneur, to save your customer that money? I'd assume it cost a minimum of $7 in raw time on the phone/logging the call and then another $10-$100 in training/software/"misc" costs depending on what they were negotiating.

Anyway, just random thoughts. This is one of those, "Cool idea but I can't figure out how to actually make money with it" ideas to me.
Alternatively, you can have a market where the prices fluctuates but no one ever trades. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-trade_theorem .
>I'm used to Lisps, where def/defun/define/defn imply internment. For example, in Clojure:

With regard to 'define', it doesn't work like that in Scheme. A define in a function body behaves just like a let.
In case you missed it, Jeff replies in the comments:
http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/1078/open-source-obligations...

I think the moral of the story is, "Don't feed the troll". I'm not sure if Jeff is deliberately provocative in his posts, but many of them do turn out that way, and you can bet he gets a lot of ad revenue from the publicity.
What are you looking for? That is, IMO, too broad of a question for me/us to give anything more than broad suggestions. Are you looking for inspirational stories? War stories? How to? Legal and "how to form a corporation"? There are great books in probably 20 different areas but you need the right ones at the right time to get the most out of them IMO.
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It strikes me that perhaps Mr. Gruber can't win here--either he's too lax as a project parent, or he rules the project with an iron fist, and gets complaints because he's not flexible enough.
IMO, if Google fails at it so spectacularly (with Google Checkout - a true blight on Google), then this is a hard effing business. If you read "Founders at Work", it has a great story/interview with one of the founders of PayPal, Max Levchin. He talks about why PayPal succeeded where others failed. The main gist of it was that PayPal was able to come up with better fraud detection algos and, by doing so, were able to "save" tens of millions each month that their competitors were losing to fraud.
I see you're using nginx as the reverse proxy. There seem to be a lot of options for reverse HTTP proxying - nginx, apache (mod_proxy), lighttpd, squid, etc. Would you (and/or anyone else) mind talking about choosing the right one? I assume all of them support keeping connections to the backing servers alive to reduce the overhead from opening new TCP connections.

Apache seems overkill if it's not also serving up some of the pages, but other than that I'm a bit lost. I'm mainly after multiplexing requests to different server processes (some in VMs) based on Host: header and/or path. Applying gzip/deflate compression where the backing server doesn't support it would be nice too.
Nice! Reminds me of Alien Breed on the Amiga. Ah those were the days...

Could you tell us perhaps a bit more about the creation process of this game? After all this is hackers news and not an indie games forum ;)
Atwood forks Markdown
.. and I am a programmer and I can develop web apps if you want me to.
Any source on that? I'm not arguing that gcc isn't a convoluted mess and that modifying it in any way is far harder than it perhaps should be. But I've always been under the impression that it just evolved that way due to lack of over all design. Do you have anything to back up that it was actively designed to be convoluted and obfuscated?
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Kodak and Fuji are about equivalent. You can print a digital image onto photo paper with a Frontier printer, and if you can keep it dry and out of direct sunlight it'll last a hundred years with no additional effort on your part. There's not yet a digital consumer media format that comes close to that.
Just parking it on Google will cover your domain registration costs.
Here are the hardware platforms that OpenBSD runs on (http://openbsd.org/plat.html). Not as many as NetBSD, but several.

Porting a program that was written primarily with (say) i386 Debian Linux in mind to other platforms is a great way to find bugs due to incorrect assumptions. They may be asymptomatic on systems with 32-bit processors, the same endian-ness, etc., but they're just lying dormant. Patches from porting and the OpenBSD security audits are contributed upstream, too.
A good place to start is to read the only four books on the list:

* Dale Carnegie: How to Win Friends and Influence People

* Edward Tufte: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

* Paul Graham: Hackers and Painters

* Jessica Livingston: Founders at Work

Those had a pretty big impact on me. I'd already read 3 of the 4 when I came across the list and I read Carnegie's book just because it was on there, after having previously written it off by judging it from the huckster-sounding title. I'm glad I did end up giving it a chance - it should be a required textbook in every high school and college.
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"I think people who clean up the trash should be paid for their work."

I think a bigger danger is the suppression of dissent. Rewarding it with more karma would be a huge mistake.
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Seems to me as an ignoramus to these goings on that part of the impediment to progress is ambiguously named forks of the spec. For instance MarkdownSharp on the face of it isn't just a reimplementation of Markdown in C#, it's a fork of it. As someone who doesn't know C# were I to do an implementation of Markdown I'm not likely to look for improvements in something called MarkdownSharp.
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Thank you very much.

I am willing to explore Lisp as a web development language, but my knowledge of Python and Django (and Plone) are a hindrance in this scenario: the low-risk road is to go with what I know and is good (at least better than, cough, Java and .NET, cough) enough.
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I'm glad there's finally a decent domain/web site marketplace with a nice user interface and no obvious glitches. Afternic and Sedo are terrible. I always thought it was because the domain industry itself is so low-end, with very little creativity involved, that the general marketplace can't be any good. Now, BrandStack looks great. I'll probably transfer all my unused domains to them.
Considering the long term perspective of Buffett's investments, I'd say Bill was spot on. I could say oil companies are equally doomed and in a 10 year perspective I know I am right. That doesn't mean they won't make loads of money the coming few years.
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That came off more harsh than intended. It sucks to post something you're excited about and have lots of people digging into it.

I'm not being critical of your tool in particular so much as wary of the flock of thin syntax transformers that have come out lately. They're fun projects, but adding yet another mutually incompatible data format is probably only a net gain under relatively specific circumstances (small teams, for starters). I like Markdown in this regard because it's downwardly compatible with how people would write anyway. You're right that it's at a different level of abstraction, though.

And about the name - I'm really tired of hearing the same Monty Python jokes all the time, but that's my problem.
Try listing them on Sitepoint. You should easily get at least the reg costs. Who knows, maybe someone will see something in one of them and give you a really nice chunk of money.

Don't expect to make zillions out of them. Maybe enough to take your better half for a nice meal.
I appreciate the explanation, thereby you are not in violation of notional guideline V2.

I am dead serious about both of those. I'm actually convinced that HN is absolutely and completely devoid of humor. I've actually never seen anything like it.

Given that the topic of downvotes constitute the vast majority of this entire topic and most of the threads, and that the only place pg has bothered to respond was regarding the brokeness of downvoting, it's quite obviously not an insubstantial point I was trying to make.
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We are 1st timers in the startup world and would greatly appreciate any feedback on our minimum viable product. I won't explain the product here as I also want to know how effective the current stuff on the website is in explaining the product. Anyhoo, Ill be here on HN as always, cause this part of the internet is awesome. :D
If I hypothetically told you to take that opinion and shove it where the sun don't shine, it's obviously you who would interpret that as being rude as well.

In manners, the interpreter of the action is usually the one to be concerned about.

Come-on, this is basic manners we learn as children.
No he hasn't. He's improved an existing implementation of Markdown, and caused it to be open sourced.
Check it yourself. It's not the only post of mine in this thread that's seen a < -4 karma.
While it's less significant for HTML than code, verbose languages are problematic during reading as well as writing.

While generating stub code for class declarations, getters, setters, etc., can help with writing boilerplate-y OO code quickly, anyone trying to read it to decipher its intent will still have to deal with all the clutter. That's more likely to cause problems in the long run.
That depends on how well it's hidden.
Why do American dollars, of all things, drop when some enemies die? I understand the game mechanic, but seeing cash appear on Mars when I shoot an alien is a little jarring.
Outside of the side discussion about weather PageRank is an example of an ad hominem fallacy, (which is directly related to the OT btw as per DH1)

>It's also redundant: Amichail's other comment about theoreticians and conjecture proofs added whatever it added to the conversation already

So, people can only post precisely one comment on a given topic in a thread or risk downvotes? That's the most ridiculous thing I think I've ever read. Redundancy is not a reason to downvote.

Amichail's post also received a plethora of downvotes if you notice.
That's a bit alarmist, but I can't really think of a better way to put it I guess.

Positive reinforcement does have the advantage of encouraging more participation.
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How much of a security risk would it be really, given that call centre staff at your phone provider will have access to the same details?
Does this mean people will have to replace billions of phones with a new code?
I think you've hit the nail on the head there: a good negotiator is going to be expensive. I have a suspicion that it won't be worth the savings.
upvoted because that comment made too much sense to sit at 0.
Patrick, I have two questions:

1) If you use any IM clients that have an API for checking your activity, could you hook that up to the site for a more thorough data source than just an if statement based on time of day?

2) Why put Nginx or Passenger in front of the Sinatra app running Thin/Mongrel, instead of just having the app itself running on some port bare?
Downvoting people who are mistaken is different than downvoting people you disagree with. Something that is factually incorrect should be downvoted because it contributes negatively to the discussion.
Yes, Dropbox + git works absolutely fine even with two coders. All you have to do is git init inside a shared Dropbox folder.
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But the message is "leave us alone."

Meaning what? Stop satellite broadcasts of Baywatch? Stop consuming oil? Change our minds about Israel's right to exist? Decide that honor killing isn't so bad?

Al Qaeda have already shown they are cynical enough to employ teenagers as suicide bombers, mosques as headquarters, hospitals as munitions dumps. Waging war against the Great Satan makes them a headline act on the global stage. They've probably even figured out a way to get paid for it. Isn't it possible that the Al Qaeda leadership -- who let others take on the suicide missions -- just like this state of affairs?

Is it so hard to believe that their narrative of grievance and justification is self-serving, and exists primarily to help them recruit more ammunition?
The post does not discuss its "sophistication", it merely validates Google Webmaster Tools's built-in labs feature 'fetch as Googlebot,' which the Official Google Webmaster Central fails to mention (curl) in its long post (http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/11/generic-c... ).

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>especially the INS that overseas universities are legitimate

I've seen this particularly with Eastern European countries and India.

Two quick anecdotes,

A girl I knew in High School came to the U.S. from Poland. Her father was a surgeon. The medical license and degrees weren't recognized here. He worked as a janitor at night while going to school (again) to qualify for the board exams.

I've noticed in many organizations that universities in India are sometimes viewed with suspicious as the quality of the output (in the IT field) can vary wildly. The ITTTs for example are considered fine, but there are hundreds of other schools that are very hard to get any visibility on. In a few disastrous cases I've seen, people were hired based on their 4 year degree in CS or IS or IT, yet they graduated without ever having written a single line of code! It becomes very hard to filter those people out without having a fairly extensive pre-interview screening process.
Hmm, I might have a look at disabling it.