critical accounting estimates our consolidated financial statements include amounts that , either by their nature or due to requirements of accounting princi- ples generally accepted in the u.s . ( gaap ) , are determined using best estimates and assumptions . while we believe that the amounts included in our consolidated financial statements reflect our best judgment , actual amounts could ultimately materi- ally differ from those currently presented . we believe the items that require the most subjective and complex estimates are : 2022 unpaid loss and loss expense reserves , including long-tail asbestos and environmental ( a&e ) reserves ; 2022 future policy benefits reserves ; 2022 valuation of value of business acquired ( voba ) and amortization of deferred policy acquisition costs and voba ; 2022 the assessment of risk transfer for certain structured insurance and reinsurance contracts ; 2022 reinsurance recoverable , including a provision for uncollectible reinsurance ; 2022 the valuation of our investment portfolio and assessment of other-than-temporary impairments ( otti ) ; 2022 the valuation of deferred tax assets ; 2022 the valuation of derivative instruments related to guaranteed minimum income benefits ( gmib ) ; and 2022 the valuation of goodwill . we believe our accounting policies for these items are of critical importance to our consolidated financial statements . the following discussion provides more information regarding the estimates and assumptions required to arrive at these amounts and should be read in conjunction with the sections entitled : prior period development , asbestos and environmental and other run-off liabilities , reinsurance recoverable on ceded reinsurance , investments , net realized gains ( losses ) , and other income and expense items . unpaid losses and loss expenses overview and key data as an insurance and reinsurance company , we are required , by applicable laws and regulations and gaap , to establish loss and loss expense reserves for the estimated unpaid portion of the ultimate liability for losses and loss expenses under the terms of our policies and agreements with our insured and reinsured customers . the estimate of the liabilities includes provisions for claims that have been reported but are unpaid at the balance sheet date ( case reserves ) and for future obligations on claims that have been incurred but not reported ( ibnr ) at the balance sheet date ( ibnr may also include a provision for additional development on reported claims in instances where the case reserve is viewed to be potentially insufficient ) . loss reserves also include an estimate of expenses associated with processing and settling unpaid claims ( loss expenses ) . at december 31 , 2009 , our gross unpaid loss and loss expense reserves were $ 37.8 billion and our net unpaid loss and loss expense reserves were $ 25 billion . with the exception of certain structured settlements , for which the timing and amount of future claim pay- ments are reliably determinable , our loss reserves are not discounted for the time value of money . in connection with such structured settlements , we carry net reserves of $ 76 million , net of discount . the table below presents a roll-forward of our unpaid losses and loss expenses for the years ended december 31 , 2009 and 2008. .

2009 gross losses (1): balance beginning of year: 37176
losses and loss expenses incurred: 11141
losses and loss expenses paid: -11093
other ( including foreign exchange revaluation ): 559
losses and loss expenses acquired: 2013
balance end of year: 37783
2009 reinsurance recoverable ( 1 ) (1): balance beginning of year: 12935
losses and loss expenses incurred: 3719
losses and loss expenses paid: -4145
other ( including foreign exchange revaluation ): 236
losses and loss expenses acquired: 2013
balance end of year: 12745
2009 net losses: balance beginning of year: 24241
losses and loss expenses incurred: 7422
losses and loss expenses paid: -6948
other ( including foreign exchange revaluation ): 323
losses and loss expenses acquired: 2013
balance end of year: 25038
2009 gross losses (2): balance beginning of year: 37112
losses and loss expenses incurred: 10944
losses and loss expenses paid: -9899
other ( including foreign exchange revaluation ): -1367
losses and loss expenses acquired: 386
balance end of year: 37176
2009 reinsurance recoverable ( 1 ) (2): balance beginning of year: 13520
losses and loss expenses incurred: 3341
losses and loss expenses paid: -3572
other ( including foreign exchange revaluation ): -387
losses and loss expenses acquired: 33
balance end of year: 12935
net losses: balance beginning of year: 23592
losses and loss expenses incurred: 7603
losses and loss expenses paid: -6327
other ( including foreign exchange revaluation ): -980
losses and loss expenses acquired: 353
balance end of year: 24241

( 1 ) net of provision for uncollectible reinsurance .

Questions:
what was the change in gross unpaid losses from 2008 to 2009?
and what is this change as a percentage of those losses in 2008?
in that same period, what was the change in the net unpaid losses?
and how much did this change represent in relation to the 2008 losses?

Answers:
607
1.63%
797
3.29%