the goldman sachs group , inc . and subsidiaries management 2019s discussion and analysis net revenues the table below presents net revenues by line item. .

year ended december 2018: investment banking: 7862
investment management: 6514
commissions and fees: 3199
market making: 9451
other principal transactions: 5823
totalnon-interestrevenues: 32849
interest income: 19679
interest expense: 15912
net interest income: 3767
total net revenues: 36616
year ended december 2017: investment banking: 7371
investment management: 5803
commissions and fees: 3051
market making: 7660
other principal transactions: 5913
totalnon-interestrevenues: 29798
interest income: 13113
interest expense: 10181
net interest income: 2932
total net revenues: 32730
year ended december 2016: investment banking: 6273
investment management: 5407
commissions and fees: 3208
market making: 9933
other principal transactions: 3382
totalnon-interestrevenues: 28203
interest income: 9691
interest expense: 7104
net interest income: 2587
total net revenues: 30790

in the table above : 2030 investment banking consists of revenues ( excluding net interest ) from financial advisory and underwriting assignments , as well as derivative transactions directly related to these assignments . these activities are included in our investment banking segment . 2030 investment management consists of revenues ( excluding net interest ) from providing investment management services to a diverse set of clients , as well as wealth advisory services and certain transaction services to high-net-worth individuals and families . these activities are included in our investment management segment . 2030 commissions and fees consists of revenues from executing and clearing client transactions on major stock , options and futures exchanges worldwide , as well as over-the-counter ( otc ) transactions . these activities are included in our institutional client services and investment management segments . 2030 market making consists of revenues ( excluding net interest ) from client execution activities related to making markets in interest rate products , credit products , mortgages , currencies , commodities and equity products . these activities are included in our institutional client services segment . 2030 other principal transactions consists of revenues ( excluding net interest ) from our investing activities and the origination of loans to provide financing to clients . in addition , other principal transactions includes revenues related to our consolidated investments . these activities are included in our investing & lending segment . provision for credit losses , previously reported in other principal transactions revenues , is now reported as a separate line item in the consolidated statements of earnings . previously reported amounts have been conformed to the current presentation . operating environment . during 2018 , our market- making activities reflected generally higher levels of volatility and improved client activity , compared with a low volatility environment in 2017 . in investment banking , industry-wide mergers and acquisitions volumes increased compared with 2017 , while industry-wide underwriting transactions decreased . our other principal transactions revenues benefited from company-specific events , including sales , and strong corporate performance , while investments in public equities reflected losses , as global equity prices generally decreased in 2018 , particularly towards the end of the year . in investment management , our assets under supervision increased reflecting net inflows in liquidity products , fixed income assets and equity assets , partially offset by depreciation in client assets , primarily in equity assets . if market-making or investment banking activity levels decline , or assets under supervision decline , or asset prices continue to decline , net revenues would likely be negatively impacted . see 201csegment operating results 201d for further information about the operating environment and material trends and uncertainties that may impact our results of operations . during 2017 , generally higher asset prices and tighter credit spreads were supportive of industry-wide underwriting activities , investment management performance and other principal transactions . however , low levels of volatility in equity , fixed income , currency and commodity markets continued to negatively affect our market-making activities . 2018 versus 2017 net revenues in the consolidated statements of earnings were $ 36.62 billion for 2018 , 12% ( 12 % ) higher than 2017 , primarily due to significantly higher market making revenues and net interest income , as well as higher investment management revenues and investment banking revenues . non-interest revenues . investment banking revenues in the consolidated statements of earnings were $ 7.86 billion for 2018 , 7% ( 7 % ) higher than 2017 . revenues in financial advisory were higher , reflecting an increase in industry-wide completed mergers and acquisitions volumes . revenues in underwriting were slightly higher , due to significantly higher revenues in equity underwriting , driven by initial public offerings , partially offset by lower revenues in debt underwriting , reflecting a decline in leveraged finance activity . investment management revenues in the consolidated statements of earnings were $ 6.51 billion for 2018 , 12% ( 12 % ) higher than 2017 , primarily due to significantly higher incentive fees , as a result of harvesting . management and other fees were also higher , reflecting higher average assets under supervision and the impact of the recently adopted revenue recognition standard , partially offset by shifts in the mix of client assets and strategies . see note 3 to the consolidated financial statements for further information about asu no . 2014-09 , 201crevenue from contracts with customers ( topic 606 ) . 201d 52 goldman sachs 2018 form 10-k .

Questions:
what was the total net revenues for 2018?
and for 2017?
so what was the difference in this value between the two years?
and the value for 2017 again?
so what was the growth rate?

Answers:
36616
32730
3886
32730
11.9%