His research in local and provincial Chinese archives indicates the death toll was at least 45 million: "In most cases the party knew very well that it was starving its own people to death".
”他对中国省级和地方级档案的研究指出死亡人数至少有四千五百萬，而且“很多情况下党对那时饿的自己人死去非常清楚”。