This was exemplified during a May 2002 debate when Lastman yelled at Miller, "You will never be mayor of this city because you say stupid and dumb things!"
苗大衛與時任市長賴士民在市議會會議中經常針鋒相對，賴士民更於2002年5月一次會議期間向苗大衛大聲嚷道「You will never be mayor of this city because you say stupid and dumb things!