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what does the ecb say to the fact that, in the context of the second package for greece, governments have nonetheless been talking about solutions such as a debt rollover or a partial debt buyback, which could lead to default? trichet : the responsibility for this lies with the governments. the governments have been warned, in no uncertain terms and using all possible means. i have said so publicly. i have explained in detail to the heads of state and government and to the finance ministers, on several occasions, that, if a country defaults, we will no longer be able to accept its defaulted government bonds as normal eligible collateral. the governments would then have to step in themselves to put things right. that would then be their duty. ftd : what does that mean in concrete terms? trichet : in the event of a decision by the governments leading to a selective default or a default, which, again, we are warning against loud and clear, the governments would have to take care that the eurosystem is presented collateral that it could accept. ftd : when it comes to deciding whether a default has occurred, will the ecb rely, as it has until now, on the rating agencies, or might the decision not be dependent on what they say? trichet : again, it is not the working assumption of the governing council. ftd : let ’ s talk about the crisis management of the euro area governments. the heads of state and government and the finance ministers give the appearance of being a chaotic bunch. they often create such a cacophony that it inflames the crisis rather than dampening it. what needs to change? trichet : there is an absolute need to improve “ verbal discipline ”. the governments need to speak with one voice on such complex and sensitive issues as the crisis. it is, of course, complex to take into account the need for sound, shared management of the economic pillar of the economic and monetary union, whilst fully respecting the functioning of the 17 democracies of the euro area. but speaking with one voice in a period of crisis is of essence. and, after all, it is what was possible after lehman brothers at the end of 2008. ftd : some euro area governments have said that chancellor merkel has frequently acted too slowly and has thus made the crisis even worse. is that true? trichet : not in the least. i would see a discussion of this kind as being completely misplaced in