#ubuntu-us-tx 2012-05-28
<jungle-boogie> Hi Texans!
<jungle-boogie> I have just a couple questions about partitions. how can I allocate more space to /usr from /sdev/sda10
<jungle-boogie> http://sprunge.us/iEVH
#ubuntu-us-tx 2013-05-30
<mrand1> whoa... it's thebwt
<mrand1> ;-)
#ubuntu-us-tx 2014-05-30
<DarkSteel> Hello
<Cactaceus> Uhh... Is a Toshiba Satellite A215 running Ubuntu 12.04 bursting into flames normal?
<Cactaceus> Because I had to throw it out the window.
<mitzip> I'd say that's not normal
#ubuntu-us-tx 2014-06-01
<mitzip> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2014/04/ubuntu-1404-lts-security-for-human.html
#ubuntu-us-tx 2015-05-30
<srwood_> http://2015.texaslinuxfest.org/
#ubuntu-us-tx 2016-06-01
<tiwake> Ardonel: where abouts do you live?
#ubuntu-us-tx 2016-06-02
<Ardonel> I hope WoodyPC is ok, been lots of rain around him...
<Ardonel> tiwake: I live in Ft Worth, TX
#ubuntu-us-tx 2016-06-03
<tiwake> Ardonel: oh ok
<tiwake> Ardonel: I know one other "internet guy" who lives in fort-worth
<Ardonel> tiwake: did woodypc ever send you his email address?
#ubuntu-us-tx 2016-06-04
<tiwake> Ardonel: no he did not...


#ubuntu-us-wi 2011-01-03
<h00k> hellos
#ubuntu-us-wi 2011-01-04
<dwhitfie> do any of you use a grammar checker in OO.o or AbiWord?
<dwhitfie> the AbiWord one doesn't appear to tell you what it thinks is wrong.
<h00k> dwhitfie_: I don't use anything specific, no
<dwhitfie_> seems, this is one place where Linux may need to catch up to Microsoft.  I am surprised it's not in GOOG docs
<h00k> OO.o might have one built in, I'm not sure.
<h00k> I don't know if LibreOffice does
<h00k> DavidLevin: hello
<dwhitfie_> h00k: no
<dwhitfie_> there are some extensions, but I just remoted in to work because I don't have time to mess with it now.  I though AbiWord was going to work, but nope
<dwhitfie_> maybe I'll get it working tomorrow
<dwhitfie_> but I should have been in bed at least half an hour ago
<dwhitfie> because I can be OCD, I did install http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/after-the-deadline
<dwhitfie> however, it's horrendous
<dwhitfie> it wants you to get rid of any word over 2 syllabels it would seem.  also, quassel doesn't have spell checking and I'm tired
#ubuntu-us-wi 2011-01-05
<h00k> hello
<FireCrotch> hi, h00k!
<h00k> FireCrotch!
<FireCrotch> How's it going?
 * FireCrotch didn't realize he was on this nick
<h00k> Good, good
<h00k> having some dinner
#ubuntu-us-wi 2011-01-06
<h00k> playing some Lugaru through again
<h00k> and now I'm playing with ruby.
<h00k> nickmoeck: how about you?
<h00k> hello, there
<h00k> So, is anyone around for the meeting? DavidLevin jrolland-ubuntu lostson mikeputnam nickmoeck ripps?
<timtierney> h00k, I'm here.  :p
<h00k> sweet. two people.
<h00k> anyone else?
<h00k> timtierney: I suppose I won't waste your time...unless you have anything to bring up?
<h00k> I want to do more things :(
<timtierney> h00k, I have no idea......
<h00k> yotux: hello there!
<timtierney> h00k, Its better then listening to this lecture.
<h00k> timtierney: Hah
<yotux> hello: everyone
<timtierney> yotux, Hey there.
<h00k> yotux: it's you, myself, and timtierney.
<h00k> so far, apparently.
<h00k> and exigraff.
<h00k> so, to keep it light because of the attendance, there's a few things that would be good to talk about
<exigraff> ah, /topic says I'm early though
<exigraff> by a few months
<h00k> way to be
<h00k> 1) Happy New Year! How are things going? 2) What do you want to do this year with the LoCo? Different? More? 3) Anything additional?
<exigraff> Happy New Yars!
<exigraff> *Year
<h00k> yarrrr
<timtierney> Indeed Happy New Year everyone.
<h00k> my feet are freezing.
<yotux> 1. happy new year
<h00k> so, we can start with 1!
<h00k> hello, ubuntuWi-Guest! You can change your nickname by typing /nick newnicknamehere
<yotux> 1b.  Things are good,  I work 2 1/2 jobs and I would like to learn more about software testing in Natty
<h00k> yotux: Cool. How familiar are you with reporting bugs?
<yotux> I have read the wiki but I feel that I should re-read / print out the doc
<h00k> I'm testing Natty on both my laptop and netbook
<yotux> running natty at the present,  not for this meeting
<timtierney> yotux, Nice.  I only have it in VirtualBox right now.
<h00k> yotux: do you like it so far?
<h00k> I'm excited to see Unity and how it will end up.
<yotux> Laptop,  Desktop need alt CD due to LVM's
<yotux> unity confuses me with natty
<yotux> hook:  you have be running remix for netbooks?
<h00k> yotux: the netbook edition, yeah
<h00k> they got rid of the 'remix' label and just deemed it 'netbook edition' a few releases ago
<yotux> then you have had some unity exp.
<yotux> Sorry
<h00k> Yeah, and it's actually default now on the Desktop edition as well
<yotux> have not gotten a netbook yet thinking about it this year
<h00k> I have the EEE and it's pretty slick
<yotux> I have ATI on my Laptop
<yotux> ATI in natty has some issues,  due to the early Xorg and compiz I believe
<h00k> Yeah, it definitely could be
<ubuntuWi-Guest> Hate unity on netbook, is it different on Natty. Not sure about after 10.10
<yotux> guest:  the ubuntu team will be placing unity on all ubuntu Release starting 11.04
<h00k> ubuntuWi-Guest: are you new to the LoCo? Do you have a usual nickname?
<ubuntuWi-Guest> yes sorry Henry
<h00k> ubuntuWi-Guest: oh, cool. Hello.
<h00k> ubuntuWi-Guest: whereabouts are you located?
<yotux> Welcome to the Monthly Ubuntu Wisconsin Loco meeting Henry
<h00k> Monthly has been but a dream, but I'd love to get more people wanting to do more
<yotux> Sorry
<h00k> It should be monthly, though
<h00k> yotux: cool, you want to know more about testing.
<h00k> Anyone else want to do something new/different/more this year?
<yotux> hook:  yes I would
<lostson> am i fashionably late ?
<h00k> lostson: wooo!
<h00k> oh, henrydubb. you! Cool. I wasn't putting that together
<h00k> lostson: yeah. We've learned 1) Happy New Year 2) yotux wants to know more about testing natty.
<h00k> lostson: your turn
<lostson> testing  natty use a usb key
<h00k> exigraff: you too
<lostson> i want to have a loco lan party and play alien arena all night
<h00k> you could run your only machines on unstable software (like I do), I just expect things to break often.
<h00k> lostson: that would be fun.
 * h00k makes notes
<lostson> bus trip to defcon ?
<h00k> I'd love to. OH, Oh, I am going to LinuxCon this year.
<yotux> lostson:  when is defcon?
<exigraff> nice.
<h00k> a few weeks after my wedding
<lostson> i know you won them
<h00k> lostson: one ticket, yeah :D
<yotux> hook: congrats
<lostson> yotux: http://www.defcon.org/
<h00k> yotux: thanks
<h00k> yotux: it's a security convention
<h00k> *the* security convention
<lostson> i like pen testing
<h00k> keeps main machines stable, anyway
<yotux> i install on a separate partition
<yotux> defcon sounds great but I have a MS ride that weekend
<lostson> id like to go at leaast once
<h00k> Me too
<exigraff> yeah, same here
<yotux> 2. Release party?  Also it would be great to be an offical loco
<lostson> we could setup a capture the flag contest
<h00k> yotux: yes, it would be good, except I don't think we have gotten enough people/activities
<yotux> h00k:  It seems that we are all spread across the state
<lostson> what is the criteria for "official" loco ?
<h00k> Release Party, yes.
<h00k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved
<h00k> lostson: ^ this
<lostson> release party would probably be on saturday correct ?
<h00k> It can be any day
<h00k> even a month after release, if we want.
<lostson> i see
<h00k> I can set a Release Party up in the Rhinelander area, for sure.
<h00k> we had one in Madison, and Superior in the past
<h00k> I'd help anyone else looking to set one up in their area, but I'm not going to do the whole thing
<h00k> ;) anyone up for one in their area?
<yotux> I live near Madison
<lostson> im in appleton
<h00k> Natty's out in April, on the 28th
<h00k> yotux: Madison has a pretty active LUG, I wonder if they'd be up for doing anything again. I can approach them and see if they're interested
<lostson> ask ol douglaswah
<h00k> yessir
<h00k> and the steering committee
<lostson> hmm whatever happened to fluxbuntu
<h00k> apparently they are still alive and strong. They have 7.10 out...
<h00k> http://fluxbuntu.org/
<h00k> I have a hard time believing that
<lostson> lol
<lostson> that's another idea to put on my board then
<h00k> fluxbuntu?
<lostson> yep
<h00k> :D
<lostson> soo many projects and too many kids
<exigraff> :)
<lostson> i would like to get in on the whole release party thing but i work every saturday so its kinda tough for me
<yotux> Working allot I am free most Sat mornings,  About 1500 I start to get busier
<yotux> I have installed ubuntu for a few co-workers in my factory job
<h00k> it doesn't have to be on a Saturday, although weekends usually help
<timtierney> I'm off on the weekends.
<h00k> yotux: cool, did you get feedback, good/bad?
<yotux> I live in Portage,  I will check into getting the library room
<yotux> 2 of them love it
<h00k> Oh, cool. They'd be candidates to attend, too.
<yotux> 1 is on the fence,  there are media formats that they question
<h00k> The one we had in Superior was mostly a social, the one in Madison I presented a 'what's new' and then we ate pizza
<yotux> I think that general public doesn't understand some of the legal issues with multimedia
<lostson> i love pizza
<nickmoeck> Oh, meeting?
<yotux> Love Pizza also
<h00k> nickmoeck: Oh, meeting! Do you like pizza?
<h00k> nickmoeck: we're talking about release party potential
<nickmoeck> Pizza is good. I had some today, actually
<h00k> exigraff: did I hear you say you're going to spearhead a Superior release party again;)?
 * h00k coughs
<h00k> negative.
<h00k> reminds me: Does anyone else blog ubuntu-related stuff and want to be syndicated?
<h00k> http://ubuntu-wisconsin.org/c/syndicated/
<yotux> I don't blog sorry
<h00k> no reason to be sorry
<nickmoeck> sorry for not blogging more often :(
<h00k> no reason to be sorry
<h00k> >.<
<lostson> my blog post have been sparse lately hoping to do more this year
<h00k> it's not...like...a requirement
<exigraff> h00k: har har
<h00k> lostson: I liked your new post
<lostson> yeah saw your comment
<exigraff> lostson: agreed, thanks for getting that on paper
<exigraff> as it were
<lostson> not my best work but a decent post
<h00k> I've been meaning to, also, but other things are taking prescidence
<h00k> like the wedding stuffs.
<lostson> yeah that will keep you busy
<h00k> work and all.
<exigraff> life happens
<h00k> I forgot my numbers. 1 was happy new year, 2 was what we want to do, 3 was...
<exigraff> misc?
<h00k> yes!
<h00k> anyone have anything?
<h00k> I say more meetings!
<exigraff> yussss
<h00k> Wednesday nights usually work for people?
<yotux> Its a night that I don't work doubles
<h00k> cool.
<yotux> Thursdays i have ARES / RACE Nets
<lostson> i prefer meetings at 5am when everyone is sleeping and its just me my coffee pot and computers : )
<yotux> Amateur Radio sorry
<h00k> that's pretty cool, though.
<h00k> Amatuer Radio
<exigraff> yotux: nice
<exigraff> reminds me, have you guys got anything cool that's not ubuntu-related to share?
<exigraff> projects/hobbies/whatever
<h00k> I'm writing a wedding-rsvp thing in ruby.
<timtierney> Tried to build Chromium OS a couple weeks ago.
<exigraff> :D
<exigraff> how'd that go?
<yotux> h00k:  yes I received my liscense  last year KC9TUX
<h00k> I did that, too. It didn't make the .img correctly.
<h00k> That's awesome.
<nickmoeck> exigraff: Not quite Ubuntu related, but I'm working on starting a web hosting business, focusing on low-end OpenVZ VPS servers
<timtierney> h00k, I got the image and it booted but wouldn't go to the login screen.
<timtierney> h00k, Just a black screen.  I could change virtual terminals and see what the kernel was doing but no luck.
<h00k> timtierney: I should do it again soon. I'm still hoping for a CR-48.
<nickmoeck> ugh, CR-48's
<nickmoeck> freaking google
<h00k> lawl
<nickmoeck> They sent one out to every zip code in Milwaukee
<nickmoeck> except mine
<timtierney> nickmoeck, Yeah I did it on my ThinkPad W700 which I think was half the problem.
<lostson> i got a ton of projects brewing just keeping a lid on most of them but i can say at least 3 of them are almost complete
<lostson> although i think a fluxbox spin is gonna go to the top of the list right now
<lostson> the gaming stuff can wait for a bit
<exigraff> heh
<exigraff> I kinda miss fluxbox, truth be told
<h00k> Alien Arena, I have to add that to the list
<exigraff> not enough to switch
<h00k> Back to the Ubuntu points...actually...Does anyone mind volunteering doing notes for the meetings?
<lostson> im trying to figure out too if i want to publish my rebuilt kernels with oss support to a PPA for people or nto
<h00k> just one point...
<h00k> hmmm.
<h00k> apparently not.
<yotux> h00k:  I can do notes for the next meetings
<exigraff> well, we have logs
<h00k> yes, we do
<exigraff> for the website, you're thinking?
<lostson> yeah someone call pull their irc logs and post notes
<h00k> website/mailing-list cross-post
<yotux> Sorry multi meetings at once
<h00k> 'sok
<lostson> does it have to be the same person every meeting ?
<h00k> no
<h00k> as long as it's not me all the time :D
<h00k> because I occasionally forget.
<h00k> lostson: can I put you in charge of heading up the LAN party if you want to set one upo?
<lostson> i dont mind doing it its just with my schedule i cant say i can be here everytime but im always in here so i can pull the logs
<h00k> -o
<yotux> I know for my ham radio meetings we decide who will be doing what for the next month
<h00k> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/06/%23ubuntu-us-wi.html
<h00k> etc
<yotux> pending location could it be LAN / WAN?
<h00k> our friend ubuntulog2 and ubuntulog do this for is
<lostson> h00k: let me run parse some more of the idea through my brain first but i think i could put something together
<h00k> probably WAN party
<h00k> lostson: no prob
<h00k> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
<h00k> I vote we have a meeting...hmm...first week in Feb?
<h00k> talk more about Release Parties
<h00k> ?
<lostson> for a release party it would be best in a public place a all ages sort of place im assuming
<h00k> Yes
<lostson> ok
<yotux> I will spear head a Portage location
<h00k> Awesome.
<h00k> I have Rhinelander
<lostson> im trying to think of what i could arrange around here
<yotux> maybe something like skype to link all parties in WI?
<h00k> Skype/IRC, something like that, yeah, if we did them at the same time
<h00k> that would be cool.
<h00k> for reference: http://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2009/11/08/release-party-success/
<h00k> Also, http://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2009/10/20/ubuntu-karmic-koala-release-party/
<h00k> map and Google Docs RSVP form link is dead.
<h00k> So, let's see what we can get cooking and plan for the first week in Feb
<h00k> The 2nd
<h00k> sound alright?
<h00k> Anything else people want to bring up?
<lostson> groundhog day ?
<h00k> Oh, is it?
<lostson> yeah you should put the statusnet site on the website and pimp that thing i think there is only 4 of us on there
<h00k> I think so, too.
<lostson> speaking of that where is spikeb tonight
<h00k> I donno :(
<h00k> douglasswh said he couldn't make it either
<h00k> I totally forgot to spam statusnet and twitter and identica about the meeting, too.
<lostson> that guy is always busy
<h00k> and the /topic
<yotux> Next time I will toss it out of Twitter, FB, maybe even Buzz
<h00k> feel free, if you know one is coming ;)
<h00k> Oh, we have a Facebook group, too
<h00k> I forget...
<yotux> really
<h00k> and the calendar
<h00k> We do
<lostson> what do you have setup on Buzz im a buzz junkie
<h00k> can you do Buzz Groups?
<h00k> Does this link work? http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6350475927
<yotux> not sure just got into the Social network thing
<h00k> I hate Facebook, so I don't usually do much with it.
<h00k> We have a ton of opportunities to spread the word
<exigraff> I don't think so
<h00k> exigraff: to what?
<lostson> yeah i am not even on facebook
<lostson> ok added Feb 2 to my calenday 8pm like normal ?
<h00k> yep. I'll throw it on the Ubuntu Wisconsin calendar, too
<yotux> have added it
<h00k> Aaaand added.
<exigraff> h00k: to Buzz groups; my connection dropped
 * h00k drops exigraff
<h00k> Cool, I'll do a summary, and we can throw those on the site, too
<h00k> So, I think that's all for now.
<h00k> Take care, and keep in touch!
<h00k> I'll still be around.
<lostson> ok sounds good
<yotux> h00k: Thankz have a good evening
<h00k> yotux: you too :D
<h00k> Cool.
<h00k> that was more productive than I thought it was going to be
<yotux> we may be small but we can still be mighty
<h00k> I sure hope so
<yotux> h00k:  I want to test ubuntu +1 thinking feature testing is that place to go?
<h00k> yotux: yes, that's perfect.
<h00k> yotux: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
<yotux> reading up on it at the moment
<yotux> bugs and find them and reporting them scares me,  think after i do it a few times it will be easier
<h00k> Yes, it surely will
<h00k> it's not too bad
<h00k> ubuntu-bug [packagename] makes it quite easy
<yotux> i know for me windows manager is crashing in natty
<yotux> is there a easy way to see what apps are doing in the background
<yotux> how does one one that they have a bug,  reading debugging at the moment
<h00k> aaand notes sent out.
 * uberushaximus is a slowpoke
#ubuntu-us-wi 2011-01-07
<h00k> So, I think sometime next week, I'll talk to a guy here and we can get brainstorming for a location for the next Release Party in Rhinelander
<h00k> Jim Travernick, who has been here in the past
#ubuntu-us-wi 2011-01-09
<h00k> Anyone have a 360 in here>
<h00k> My right-click menus are broken on natty
<h00k> turns out it is an nvidia/unity issue
<h00k> dwhitfie: hellow there.
<dwhitfie> h00k: hi
<dwhitfie> I'm not really here. well, I won't be after I press ENTER
#ubuntu-us-wi 2012-01-04
<h00k> Hi1
<h00k> Happy New Year
<Cheesehe1d> Happy New Year
<h00k> Cheesehead: hey, you too.
<h00k> http://i.imgur.com/ZWOwW.jpg
#ubuntu-us-wi 2012-01-05
<twopoint718> Just my usual drive-by comments... MadLUG meeting in Madison this weekend (Saturday 1/7). Topic: "MadLUG Meta-Meeting" What speakers should MadLUG get for 2012? etc.
<twopoint718> More info: http://www.meetup.com/madlug/events/46626882/ or http://madisonlinux.org/Talks/20120107CW
#ubuntu-us-wi 2016-01-09
<adueppen> mikeputnam: I might get to the meeting a bit late depending on how long it takes to eat dinner for me. my little segment in the meeting might have to be moved later in the meeting.
<adueppen> I don't want to miss the google code-in segment though so my part will probably have to be moved near that.
<adueppen> well nevermind about the whole being late thing, I forgot the meeting was rescheduled a bit
<frogshair> Been waiting :)
<mikeputnam> :((((   only 20 minutes late
<mikeputnam> sorry
<mikeputnam> live stream is live now (if it's not too late)
<adueppen> mikeputnam: don't forget to put a link to the hangout on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/WisconsinTeam/20160108
<mikeputnam> https://hangouts.google.com/call/shwervl57bh3adjrilt47wgdlaa    <<< hangout
<adueppen> thanks, I'll join after I get my parents out of the area
<frogshair> Hi
<mikeputnam> welcome
<frogshair> Is there a meeting here ?
<mikeputnam> the hangout it posted above (although I am the only one in it at the moment)
<mikeputnam> here is the agenda as written by tsimonq2 http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/1047/detail/
<mikeputnam> wave for the live stream!
<adueppen> for the first time, I'll actually be on the hangout on 2 devices
<mikeputnam> heh
<adueppen> I could do 3 but that would be too impractical
<mikeputnam> so many bandwidths!
<adueppen> I just claimed this task for GCI even though it feels a bit unethical since I'll attend the meeting either way: https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6179561020588032/
<mikeputnam> ha
<mikeputnam> point minig
<mikeputnam> s/minig/mining/
<adueppen> yeah I'm already at 13 tasks
<adueppen> which actually puts me at 4th place somehow
<mikeputnam> well, shall i turn on the cam and start reading the agenda?  or is that something we can each read on our own?
<mikeputnam> ;)
<DragonEyes> OMG! A wink!
<mikeputnam> :|
<mikeputnam> ;)
<DragonEyes> OMG! A wink!
<mikeputnam> bot-riffic
<adueppen> well gonna have to disappear for a few seconds since CIRC is being annoying and my bouncer is still down
<mikeputnam> well folks, due largely to my not getting to the keyboard until 20 minutes after the scheduled start
<mikeputnam> i guess we'll write off this video recording
<tsimonq2> o/
<tsimonq2> mikeputnam: heyyyy how did it go?
<mikeputnam> well - i botched it
<mikeputnam> but we're here *now*
<tsimonq2> lol is it still going?
<mikeputnam> yes
<tsimonq2> well I can't participate but watching now
<tsimonq2> brothers are watching TV and won't give it up
<tsimonq2> mikeputnam, adueppen: are you just starting the meeting? :P
<adueppen> tsimonq2: we just started sort of
<tsimonq2> lol ok
<tsimonq2> mikeputnam: I am willing to do one in GB
<tsimonq2> I could start one in GB
<tsimonq2> hey still TV watching in the background
<tsimonq2> carry on
<tsimonq2> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/10/21/announcing-the-ubucon-summit/
<adueppen> tsimonq2: how exactly do you suggest that I submit the proof that I was in the meeting?
<tsimonq2> adueppen: link the YouTube video...I can also provide some proof
<adueppen> yeah just remembered that
<tsimonq2> adueppen: also contact wxl, have him watch a snippet and confirm that it's you XD
<adueppen> ok I will
<tsimonq2> ok cool
<adueppen> tsimonq2: there submitted the task along with the first selfie I've taken in a very, very long time
<tsimonq2> adueppen: screenshot!
<adueppen> tsimonq2: http://i.imgur.com/RgQd1Wp.png
<tsimonq2> adueppen: no to the selfie! :P
<adueppen> tsimonq2: you can do that if you just look closely in the screenshot


#ubuntu-au 2011-10-24
<ikt> Hi all :)
<gggs> hi ikt
<ikt> gggs: whatcha up to?
<gggs> right now?
<gggs> talking to you!
<ikt> :D
<ikt> thinking of setting up an LDAP server at home
<ikt> anyone have any experience?
<ikt> heya caryb :)
<ikt> head_victim: made a post on au forums about meeting times
<ikt> I'm now pming people on the forums who ident as australian
<ikt> about the team
<ikt> many don't know about it at all
<head_victim> ikt: nice work
<ikt> :D
<head_victim> I am subbed to the forum so I already stalked your post ;)
<ikt> :D
<ikt> love it
<ikt> not sure what else I can do though
<ikt> there's not a whole lot with the subforum being hidden away along with all the othe rsubforums
<ikt> I've got it in my sig
<ikt> and I'm still making a post or 2 a day
<head_victim> I have it in my sig but I'm not a huge forum kinda person
<head_victim> Not sure what happened to Phlosten, he kinda dropped off the planet. I hope all is ok.
<ikt> yeah I noticed that the other day
<ikt> I still see a lot of aussies and we seem to have a lot of page views on our subforum
<ikt> just a massive lack of paticipation
<ikt> on a side note I -finally- got some decent paper when I went to officeworks the other day (first time since 2003? or something)
<head_victim> Same issues as the other LoCo stuff really. Heaps of people stated interest in an installfest but give them the opportunity and no one respondes
<ikt> and so I'll have that page ready for 12.04
<head_victim> Nice, if you want to put it out this release I'll post some CDs.
<ikt> How much is post if you send out say 5? I might do a trial run and see if there's any interest
<head_victim> Can you respond to the email I sent to the list? Might get some other people thinking if they can see others active as well
<ikt> kk
<ikt> MoLE just added his preferences to the meeting time
<ikt> I remember that name
<head_victim> Yep, he's around, just a busy person.
<head_victim> Sat 8 & 9 looks popular. If it ends up like that we should split the difference at 830 :P
<head_victim> Anyway, I gotta run for now. Catch you around.
<ikt> win!
<ikt> seya :)
#ubuntu-au 2011-10-25
<sagaci> it's big and still kinda ugly but all the rest of the untranslated strings now fit into a nice batch=300 list,
<sagaci> well less to be really precise
#ubuntu-au 2011-10-26
<ikt> hi all :D
<lyris> afternoon
<ikt> lyris: whatcha up to?
<ikt> hi nandemonai :)
<ikt> :/
<head_victim> What's up ikt
<head_victim> blahdeblah: thought more about the sponsorship idea?
<sagaci> 91 packages to go with an average of 714 strings per package to go
<head_victim> sagaci: nice work
<head_victim> I'm playing a little with the events on loco.u.c to try and work out why the ical feed is failing. Sorry for the noise, I think it's to do with not recognising team defaults.
<sagaci> not sure if you read my link at 3am this morning but they all fit into a batch=300 now --- https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+lang/en_AU/+index?batch=300&memo=1050&start=1050
<head_victim> I think you have been setting them at UTC time but then setting it to use the team default which is gmt+10
<head_victim> Yeah I saw on the scrollback, kinda scarily good isnt' it
<sagaci> speaking of scarily weird I just finished a 249-string package after only doing 50 strings :/
<head_victim> Hah was jaddi working the same one?
<sagaci> no, it's showing that ken sharp did them last year
<sagaci> any it's showing that I'm the only contributor to the translation
<sagaci> maybe a hiccup in the database
<head_victim> Hmm possible
<sagaci> might be something to do with the These translations are shared with Avogadro trunk series template avogadro.
<head_victim> Well let's hope there's more like that
<head_victim> Well let's hope there's more like that
<sagaci> I think i've come across it before but it's not common
<sagaci> i'll open up all 91 packages in tabs and see how it goes
<head_victim> Hahah you enjoy that
<sagaci> in chrome, wish me luck
<head_victim> Speaking of enjoying I think I've somehow broken xchat
<head_victim> It's not showing what I type until someone else has typed a line.
<sagaci> :/
<sagaci> 2 out of 91
<sagaci> head_victim: oh ok missed it, I thought the team default was UTC
<head_victim> I just updated the events, I'll see if the ical picks up the change.
<head_victim> I've been using it for a few months now and it's been fairly stable. I set it up with reminders a week, a day and an hour out for all events to pop up on my phone.
<sagaci> head_victim: any idea for translating lubuntu/lxde?
<head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Translations
<sagaci> eh, not really into translating without using something similar to lp's interface
<sagaci> sorry, thought it might have been some hidden thing in lp
<head_victim> Nah it's pretty much an upstream thing for the lxde stuff.
<head_victim> http://pootle.lxde.bsnet.se/en_GB/ appears to mostly be done though
<head_victim> Has a similar interface from what I can see
<Chat1936> hello
<head_victim> Evening Chat1936
<sagaci> hi mik_008
<head_victim> sagaci: good luck with the trans work, I am off for the night, Cheerio
<sagaci> ok night
#ubuntu-au 2011-10-27
<ikt> hi all
<head_victim> Good news!
<head_victim> The drupal update is now being worked on. No idea how long it will take but the project has started at least.
<ikt> how is it 1am already O.O
<gggs> ikt: suprise!
<gggs> oh cool, I inadvertantly watched one of the first screenings in the world of a new movie release, "In Time"
<ikt> what's it like?
<gggs> I was going to see "Real Steel" but I was running late & got stuck in the line, I'd never heard of it and  didn't even know what it was about
<gggs> yea it wasn't a bad movie if you can ignore/accept the premise of the movie
<gggs> I think Timberlake's become a decent actor, unique enough plot
<ikt> :/
<ikt> timberlake
<gggs> hah yea I know
<gggs> don't worry, he never starts singing
<ikt> :D
<ikt> doing anything linuxy wise gggs ?
<ikt> atm I'm just trying to install the draytek smartmonitor program which is failing :/
<gggs> not at the moment, I'm actually about to call it a night
<gggs> I've never heard of it
<ikt> know about draytek modems?
<gggs> not a thing I'm afraid
<ikt> ah
<ikt> me as well until a few months ago
<ikt> they're like billions except the interface doesn't suck and the features are actually good
<ikt> there's several members in my house using all my downloads
<ikt> and I can see who's doing it by the 'data monitor'
<gggs> looks like traffic analysis software, can't you use a FOSS solution?
<ikt> it updates in real time with the amount of traffic per ip
<ikt> the program is I can't capture it
<ikt> so that's where this thing comes into it
<ikt> http://www.draytek.com/.upload/Demo/Smart%20Monitor_2.0/
<ikt> hopefully that will have some hard evidence
<ikt> except atm i can't install it on my linux box because it fails trying to install qq
<gggs> I'm sure you could shape traffic, give each user a quota
<ikt> possibly
<ikt> i like mrtg and nagios are a bit overkill
<ikt> it's annoying them using the downloads but not end of the world stuff
<ikt> which is why I like this draytek thing
<ikt> if it would work ._.
<gggs> ikt: hah, good luck with it, I'm off to bed
<ikt> kk
<ikt> btw
<ikt> quickly, did you see the meeting thing?
<gggs> ?
<ikt> http://doodle.com/bpz47isrg9q7xz23
<ikt> need more people!
<ikt> wtb more people at meetings
<gggs> I'm not on the Ubuntu-au team, I just lurk
<ikt> that's ok, you can come to :D
<ikt> atm we have around 5-6 people, I think it would be best around 10 or so
<ikt> just to get things moving
<ikt> but anyways
<ikt> gnights gggs :)
<gggs> 'night dude
#ubuntu-au 2011-10-29
<head_victim> ikt: so what do we think is the "winner" of the poll?
<head_victim> Saturday 830 seems in the middle of the most votes :/
<ikt> yeah
<ikt> just checking now
<ikt> ohh man
<ikt> oh no :(
<ikt> http://geekfeminism.org/2011/10/13/on-being-harassed-a-little-gf-history-and-some-current-events/
<ikt> Hey slut, take your left wing socialist idealogy and go fuck off from ubuntu. <- It came from someone calling himself âMarkus Gâ, with email address grandrhino at hotmail, and IP address 110.174.202.115 â a static IP address with the ISP TPG, and a traceroute indicating that heâs probably in Brisbane, Australia.
<ikt> =(
<ikt> So, hereâs our situation. We have a man (presumably; at any rate he appears to want to be identified as such) in the Australian Linux community, who targets women by sending them private abusive emails from a throwaway address and with a name that canât readily be connected to any publicly known member of the community.
<ikt> head_victim: http://ikt.id.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/time.png
<ikt> sun 9pm has similar amount of votes
<head_victim> ikt: yeah thats what I was thinking 830 - to be between 8 and 9 :/
<head_victim> It's a bit painful when you have ties
<head_victim> Sunday 9pm is what it's currently set to though isn't it?
<ikt> sat 7-10 = 24, sun 7-10 = 23 i believe
<head_victim> So really, there is no actual benefit in changing it
<ikt> yeah
<ikt> sun has 1 more vote than sat
<head_victim> Well I think as there is no huge case to change it, why not keep it how it is. Will reduce confusion.
<sagaci> i'd prefer to keep it the same unless there were clearly more votes for another time
<ikt> yeah exactly
<ikt> btw sagaci did you see the quote from the ubuntu devs about dual monitor?
<sagaci> no
<ikt> i'll see if i can find it
<ikt> Although graphics isnât your focus, do you have any idea whether 12.04 will attempt to fix some of the multiple monitor bugs that Oneiric introduced?
<ikt> Yes! Itâs on everyoneâs hit-list as something we (the entire distro) have to nail for 12.04.
<ikt> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/neil-patel-precise/
<ikt> also anyone going to stay up for UDS?
<ikt> I'll take that as a no :lol
<head_victim> Hah I've remote participated in a few UDS's for particular topics
<head_victim> But probably not this year.
<head_victim> Mainly due to now having a 9-5
<sagaci> i doubt it mainly due to the time difference
<sagaci> when it's in the EU, it's not too bad
<ikt> yeah I reckon
<ikt> 1am start is fine for me since I finish work at midnight
<ikt> but I won't be going through the whole day
<head_victim> Yeah previously I've selected a few of the important bits to me to go into
<head_victim> But I'm still struggling with the change to a 9-5 and not settling in with the new sleeping pattern :/ Old habits die hard.
<ikt> indeed :(
<head_victim> Ah well, feel free to close the poll and post the result to the mailing list that way we can plan the next meeting
<ikt> already closed it
<ikt> i'll post to mailing list in a sec
<sagaci> # of strings < 60,000
<ikt> head_victim: should we just formalise the vote result in the meeting?
<head_victim> ikt: I thought we'd need to formalise the vote so we knew when the meeting would be
<ikt> yeah but I don't want to say
<ikt> me and head decided to keep the meeting at the same time
<ikt> in the email
<ikt> also unrelated, is http://www.ubuntu.org.au/ not loading for anyone else?
<head_victim> I'm shooting an email to the list about u.org.au - they're actually working on the upgrade to drupal
<head_victim> ikt: just release the results, I can respond with a "there's nothing better than what we're currently doing"
<ikt> kk
<ikt> to early
<ikt> must sleep
<ikt> no
<ikt> stay awake
#ubuntu-au 2011-10-30
<sagaci> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-au/+junk/iso-l10n -- basic outline of ubuntu-defaults package, just added some bookmarks, languages and default launchers.
<sagaci> by no means anything official but should build with the ubuntu-defaults-image but I wouldn't recommend it since it's obviously not the finished product
<head_victim> Aren't the canonical people working towards doing half the work for this sort of thing? I'm not sure how it all fits together but I thought this was the stuff they were offering to do for us.
<xannen> Hi again.
<head_victim> Gday xannen
<sagaci> head_victim, what, figure out the requirements of each and every locale in existence
<head_victim> sagaci: or is that the sort of thing we needed to provide to get them to build it?
<sagaci> from what I gather, they've made the tools, we fill in the blanks and we can use their build system or live-build
<head_victim> Ah ok,  don't mind me, I'm a little slow on the uptake on the technical aspects of things like this
<xannen> I still have issues with 11.10.  :(  I'm on windows 7 now.  LOL
<head_victim> xannen: what sort of issues?
<xannen> Mainly graphics for now.  After a while, I get graphics lag.  And still have unity dash appearing on wrong screen for dual monitor.
<head_victim> xannen: both of those seem like video driver issues to me.
<head_victim> nvidia or ati?
<xannen> Nvidia.
<xannen> I didn't have these issues on 11.04.
<head_victim> Firstly, open up the nvidia control panel and make sure the monitor you want set on the LHS is the primary monitor
<head_victim> Soudns like it's swapped the primary monitor around
<xannen> In 11.04, I had my primary monitor on the RHS, and unity dash appeared on that monitor -- as I liked it.  With 11.10, it worked in reverse.  This is filed as a bugged and not yet fixed.  But that's just me.  Also there was openjdk issue with versioning and dependency.
<head_victim> Ah well, back up and reinstall 11.04
<head_victim> ?
<xannen> Yeah, I guess.
<head_victim> I assume you've already tried all the different video drivers available?
<xannen> Yep.  LOL.  From recommended and ppa.
<head_victim> And nouveau?
<xannen> By the way, how's the progress with "ubuntu hour"?
<head_victim> Poorly
<xannen> I tried to installed nouveau but the process is more complicated and stuffed it up.  :S
<head_victim> The process is simply deactivating the nvidia drivers as far as I know.
<xannen> Oddly, in 11.10, in the "install additional driver", nouveau was not offer.  It only showed proprietary.  :S  Which is oddly with linux open source philosophy.
<head_victim> That's because nouveau isn't an additional driver. If you deactivate the nvidia one it defaults to nouveau.
<xannen> Ah...  Okay.  Whatever happened to the option to use opensource nvidia driver then?  o.O
<head_victim> nouveau IS the open source nvidia driver
<xannen> Ah... okay...  I'm sorry, I am confused with these changes in settings (i.e. explicitly stating whether open source is used or not).
<xannen> And I didn't know these information (i.e. if no proprietary gpu driver is specified, open source is used, if available.)
<head_victim> No idea if the nouveau driver will do 3d though. I haven't used it in years.
<xannen> It was a bad timing for me because when I bought my comp earlier this year, I only had windows use in mind.  A few months down the track, I decided to try out ubuntu.  If I know this, I would have bought "open source supported" hardware, e.g. intel or ati gpu, etc...
<head_victim> I've always recommended nvidia for Ubuntu use personally. Been using them for 5 years without a hitch.
<head_victim> Never once had an issue.
<ikt> i was the same with ati up until 11.04
<head_victim> I've never used ATI since I spent a month trying to get my 9600 to do 3d.
<head_victim> Been with Nvidia ever since and used the proprietary drivers ever since. I know the purist hate that but it just works for me.
<xannen> Haha...
<xannen> I was using ati before I my nvidia and wanted to try out nvidia.  No problems on windows, obviously from better support.  I discovered intel gpu has open source support better than other gpu.  So in future I will consider intel.
<head_victim> Intel have had their problems as well. But also, intel don't make stand alone GPUs. Therefore their performance is heaps lower than ati and nvidia.
<xannen> I hope intel will offer better gpu and/or other gpu release their driver codes as open source. :D
<head_victim> Intel only do integrated video. These will never rival standalone video cards for performance.
<xannen> Do you have recommendation for touch screen laptop?
<head_victim> Not really, never had a need for one so never spent time looking into them.
<head_victim> Maybe ask on the mailing list for more ideas.
<xannen> Okay.
<head_victim> sagaci: had a look over that stuff. Looking good mate. Sorry I didn't get it before.
<head_victim> Anyone else giving you any feedback on the brainstorming?
<sagaci> I think I've made it available enough, with the blueprint and pad, anyone can add/suggest so it's just a case of people actually contributing
<head_victim> Yeah that's what I was wondering, if anyone was actually contributing.
<head_victim> I'm finding it hard drumming up support for events and stuff as well so wondering how it was going for you
<sagaci> not really so far but can't let that slow it down, I can't really make it any more accessible as it is
<sagaci> as long as you're set up for ubuntu development/lp/ssh/bzr, it's super easy to get it and fiddle around with the settings and recommit
<head_victim> I'm not sure I'll ever be set up for dev but I've tried to help with the brainstorming and ideas part.
<head_victim> I'm no good with technical stuff.
<sagaci> it's a lot of trial and error, more error... fix one error and you get two more
<head_victim> Finding the time is the killer.
<sagaci> head_victim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools#Rationale -- that's where I got the "locos in control of the customisations"
<head_victim> Yeah, it does sound like a really good project.
<head_victim> And provides enough info to get your teeth into it
<sagaci> so how do we go about getting some consensus for the defaults if no one is contributing?
<head_victim> Obviously if no one is objecting you're doing it perfectly to suit their needs :)
<sagaci> obviously no one would mind a default www.justinbieber.com.au
<sagaci> in their firefox bookmarks
<head_victim> Speaking of justin beiber, good evening bejames
<bejames> Hey!?
<head_victim> You're the team pretty boy? I'm trying to make a tenuous link here.
<bejames> Very tenuous.  You need glasses
<head_victim> I've actaully gotten some since we last caught up.
<head_victim> You have any ideas how we can scrounge up $500 for the installation festival?
<bejames> Urrr no
<head_victim> Everyone I can think of want details before handing over cash, but no one in the team seems interested in working out the details until we're sure it will go ahead :P
<sagaci> head_victim: what do you think about this string https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/cups/+pots/cups/en_AU/+translate?show=new_suggestions
<bejames> There must be another way to do this. Other teams seem to be able to pull this off without cost
<head_victim> bejames: yeah the issue is finding a half decent venue to get enough publicity to get enouh people going
<head_victim> sagaci: looks fine from here, printers do have waste bins :)
<bejames> head_victim: And the key requirement is Power / Internet accesss?
<head_victim> bejames: open to suggestions of free ones that we can use that will get people to :)
<head_victim> bejames: that and publically accessible (interacting with the general public, not just people who are already involved in linux)
<head_victim> Internet isn't a major thing either, we can probably do without that
<bejames> head_victim: have BCC libraries been looked at?
<head_victim> I had assumed they'd have the same cost as the edge is a part of the state library. I guess we should confirm that or not
<xannen> Yes, go BCC library and teach elderly ubuntu linux.  :D
<bejames> Free for community group if Im reading this correctly http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/facilities-recreation/libraries/hiring-library-meeting-rooms/index.htm#2
<head_victim> bejames: looks right, what in that list would be most publically accessible, somwhere like Brisbane Square? Or Carindale/Chermside/Indooroopilly/Garden City type places?
<head_victim> I gotta run, want to send an email to the list to see what the feedback is like?
<bejames> head_victim:  bye
<gggs> evening all
<sagaci> hi
#ubuntu-au 2012-10-24
<head_victim> Here's one for all you facebook and kde fans, didn't even know it existed https://www.facebook.com/kubuntu.au
<jea> who is running that?
<head_victim> Not sure, if we knew it was someone sensible it might be ok to link to the main one.
<jea> it is hard to tell what they are like based on the few posts there at the moment
<head_victim> I found it looking around at that wah character
<jea> ah, right. you would think that if he can find that page, you could find stuff for the questions he is asking
<jea> unless he made the page
<head_victim> Anything is possible, that being said wah has liked about 20 windows 7 pages as well
<jea> they are an unusual character
<head_victim> Yep, just trying to pick and choose the questions I answer so they don't break their system
<jea> that is a good point
<head_victim> Ah crap, it's nearly 3 already. I gotta go try and fix the car. Good luck with your uni stuff mate
<jea> good luck to you with your uni also
<head_victim> 4 subjects down :)
<head_victim> 2 more to go this year and them I'm 1/4 the way there.
<jea> a bit shorter than my degree
<jea> but that is expected
<bigred-au> Is Karl Goetz still around?
<head_victim> bigred-au: I haven't seen Karl around this channel for a long time unfortunately.
<head_victim> Ubuntu open week is started in #ubuntu-classroom for any night owls
<sagaci> just getting the final logistics for UDS-R
<bigred-au> head_victim: Oh, fair enough
<bigred-au> I use to be hang out around here about 5 years ago, and remember him
<bigred-au> the only other name i remember was elkbuntu, or something like that
<head_victim> Yeah that's now elky. I believe a few of the others on the nick list are of that vintage as well
<bigred-au> Yeah, unfortunately my brain copped a belting over the past 5 years. lol
<head_victim> Hah, I know how that goes
<bigred-au> I stopped using Linux for 5 years, and now I'm completely lost :\ hahaha
<bigred-au> yet, I've literally spent 5 years working on UNIX (AIX), but still have no idea on Linux anymore
<sagaci> just plug the printer in
<head_victim> bigred-au: Well my experience with linux has only really been over the last 5 years and I've got to say, I didn't have to learn much
<bigred-au> Heh
<bigred-au> You see, I work on UNIX (AIX specifically), and you'd think most of it would be much of a muchness on Linux....turns out it's really not
<head_victim> Probably were much closer long ago but no doubt drifted apart over time
<bigred-au> yeah
#ubuntu-au 2012-10-25
<bigred-au> Sure quiet channel these days :)
<jea> yes, it is quieter at the moment
<jea> too many busy people
<head_victim> The joys of being on holidays, you get to work 16 hour days around the house so you go back to work in need of a break :)
<bigred-au> :)
#ubuntu-au 2012-10-26
<hot_wheelz> how come there is now sound after login in 12.10?
<ScottHarrison> hey guys, just had a really odd issue... I couldn't login to my user account, however I could login to all others and I could login as myself in the recovery console...
<ScottHarrison> resolved it by chowning my .Xauthority file... any idea how this could have been taken by root?
<head_victim> ScottHarrison: honestly, no idea :)
<ScottHarrison> I was lucky to find a thread that suggested checking who owned .Xauthority, unfortunately it didn't explain why
<sagaci> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqqNVLHP2Hs&feature=g-u-lsb
<sagaci> slug live stream
<sagaci> brb in 36h
#ubuntu-au 2012-10-27
<hot_wheelz> Hi guys
<hot_wheelz> anyone here?
<jea> yes, I am
<hot_wheelz> jea, do know what's going on regarding ubuntu 12.10 no sound after login issue?
<jea> no, sorry, i am not sure
<jea> do you know if there is a bug raised for it?
<hot_wheelz> plenty of reports no sure if there is an official bug report though
<jea> ok
<hot_wheelz> are you experiencing it aswell?
<jea> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1066353
<lubotu2> Launchpad bug 1066353 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Dell Studio 1458] No sound after suspend (Ubuntu 12.10 64bit)" [Medium,Incomplete]
<head_victim> I'm seeing lots of random comments about sound issues in 12.10, not seeing many that state after login there is an issue.
<jea> could that be related?
<jea> i am not running ubuntu on any computers at the moment to test it
<hot_wheelz> seen this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/212453
<jea> and even if I was, i always mute the sound
<jea> so i wouldn't notice it
<head_victim> And while it's for 12.04 have you tried the solutions listed - http://askubuntu.com/questions/132577/no-sound-in-ubuntu-12-04
<hot_wheelz> yes
<hot_wheelz> no good
<jea> http://askubuntu.com/questions/204277/sound-not-working-with-ubuntu-12-10-clean-install
<jea> i think i might install 12.10 on a netbook this afternoon
<head_victim> I've been running it since a few days before release, other than an evolution glitch it's been fine.
<jea> i don't use evolution any more
<hot_wheelz> I tried this http://www.unixmen.com/2012003-howto-resolve-nosound-problem-on-ubuntu/
<head_victim> I use it as a basic offline backup of my gmail account and to tap into the calendaring built into Ubuntu
<jea> oh, the calendar
<head_victim> I do all my emails and editing of calendars via web browsers.
<jea> i still want to write a calendar app
<hot_wheelz> head_victim, So you have sound then?
<jea> maybe i can do that over the holidays
<head_victim> hot_wheelz: yep, I know heaps of people on 12.10 and not heard of a sound issue until you mentioned it in channel the other day..
<jea> hot_wheelz: did you do an upgrade or clean install?
<hot_wheelz> jea, clean install
<jea> mm, ok. that removes that suggestion then
<head_victim> Anyone know how to manipulate the screen desktop image to spread across 2 screens rather than having 2 of the same image side by side?
<hot_wheelz> head_victim,  Did you see this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/212453
<head_victim> hot_wheelz: yeah, but it's far too much information for me to comprehend.
<head_victim> I wouldn't even be sure it's an alsa issue, could be pulse or hardware related
<jea> head_victim: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/ubuntu-multi-monitor-tweaks-full-screen.html
<jea> or maybe this also http://askubuntu.com/questions/89417/how-to-span-single-wallpaper-over-dual-monitors
<hot_wheelz> head_victim, this is related yeah https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1014866
<lubotu2> Launchpad bug 1013183 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "duplicate for #1014866 [IDT and STAC codecs] Sound playback stopped working in 3.2.0-25" [Medium,Fix released]
<head_victim> Ah I believe I played with nitrogen previously
<head_victim> hot_wheelz: so have you tried a different kernel?
<jea> nitrogen or syncwall seem to be the two main options
<hot_wheelz> head_victim, said 3.2 right?
<head_victim> hot_wheelz: not really sure, I'd pick a couple and see what worked
<head_victim> jea: cool, I can't remember why I ditched nitrogen (it's still installed), perhaps it was an upgrade thing that went awry and I forgot about it
<hot_wheelz> that bug is 3.2 right 12.10 ships 3.5
<jea> ubuntu ships a modified kernel
<jea> so version numbers are sometimes different
<hot_wheelz> jea, how can i tag my info on to a bug?
<jea> you should be able to log in to launchpad and then comment on an issue
<jea> you could potentially try one of the latest daily kernels
<jea> i would back stuff up first though, because they are potentially unstable
<jea> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2012-10-22-quantal/
<jea> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.6.3-quantal/
<jea> maybe 3.6 would be a bit better, seeing as it is not a rc or beta
<jea> i have no sound problems in my vm, hot_wheelz
<hot_wheelz> jea,  Are you still here?
<hot_wheelz> head_victim, How about you?
<hot_wheelz> it works now
<hot_wheelz> sound
<head_victim> Glad to know, interesting to see what the issue was if they come back.
 * joey168 is away: going out to catch some fresh air, be back soon
<jea> yes, will be interesting to find out the solution
<sagaci> At changi
#ubuntu-au 2012-10-28
<sagaci> yeah it's really cold
<md_5> I had a fun day today
<md_5> My server went viral and I had to install varnish to keep it under control
<md_5> Many many many page loads
<sagaci> sounds epic
<md_5> Went from a slepy 600mb a day to 25gb, I was very happy
<md_5> sleepy
<head_victim> sagaci: I hope to see daily reports on the planet :P
#ubuntu-au 2013-10-24
<Dionysios> Hello all
<Dionysios> Great crowd
#ubuntu-au 2014-10-22
<purencool> Hi ubuntu people is anyone running ubuntu 14.10 what do you think?
#ubuntu-au 2014-10-24
<jared> Going over to 14.10, be back soon
#ubuntu-au 2014-10-26
<purencool> Hi everyone how are you going with 14.10?
<SpringV_> Anyone here?
#ubuntu-au 2015-10-19
<Magentium> Good Evening
#ubuntu-au 2018-10-23
<lucylu> Hi guys - I setup a lamp ubuntu server. The first site works well but the second gets timed out connection error
<lucylu> <lucylu> ANy idea how to debug this?#


#ubuntu-uos-convergence 2015-11-25
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#ubuntu-nz 2011-04-25
<chilts> morning
<thumper> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2011-04-26
<ajmitch> morning
<snail> morning all
<snail> nice, looks like the apache lucene / solr community is having a meltdown. anyone following that?
<ajmitch> nope, sounds entertaining though
<snail> entertaining if it weren't for the fact that pretty much 1/2 the systems I care about include solr / lucene.
<snail> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-2272?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13025379
<snail> people revertingeach others commits rather than discuss things like adults...
<ajmitch> messy
<ajmitch> that looks like a lot of hot air in a short amount of time
<ajmitch> they should use debian's old way of calming flamewars - have the mail queue get so large trying to send out all the messages that it'd take an hour or more for messages to get through
<snail> i suspect that a fork is in the offing, which is the real solution.
<ajmitch> forks can potentiially be pretty detrimental
<snail> in the short term yes, but they can also be pretty good, look at the gcc one, for example
<ajmitch> there are other cases where a project has forked & both the original & the fork have effectively died out
<ajmitch> but that could just be a sign of a sick project to start with
<Atamira> mornin
<hads> Ther's always some community or other having a meltdown
<ajmitch> if you could just get rid of the people, it'd all go much smoother
<hads> Indeed
#ubuntu-nz 2011-04-27
<thumper> afternoon
<Atamira> mornin all
<ajmitch> morning
<thumper> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2011-04-28
<snail> moring
 * Atamira is waiting for the rain to stop
<Atamira> bet it will be fine the minute i go back to work
<ajmitch> rain? what rain? :)
<Atamira> its rain here
<Atamira> in akld
<snail> morning all
<ajmitch> morning
<lifeless> anyone know anyone at citylink? they seem to have failed to mirror natty quite spectacularly
<lifeless> I'm going to see if I can get them pulled from the nirror rotation in the interim
<ajmitch> lifeless: which mirror does citylink have?
<lifeless> nz.a.u.c
<lifeless> host nz.archive.ubuntu.com
<lifeless> nz.archive.ubuntu.com is an alias for ubuntu.citylink.co.nz.
<lifeless> ubuntu.citylink.co.nz has address 202.7.6.10
<ajmitch> http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-releases/natty/ looks ok for me
<lifeless> 08:22 < lifeless> $ wget --no-cache http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/nspr/libnspr4-0d_4.8.7-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
<lifeless> 08:22 < lifeless> 2011-04-29 08:20:48 ERROR 404: Not Found.
<lifeless> 08:22 < lifeless>  wget --no-cache http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/nspr/libnspr4-0d_4.8.7-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
<lifeless> 08:22 < lifeless> Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
<lifeless> 404s on that and a few other files for a maverick->natty upgrade
<hads> I noticed that just now actually
<lifeless> ajmitch: also they do magic anycast stuff
<ajmitch> yeah, split between SF & wellington depending on how badly your ISP peers
<ajmitch> http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/nspr/ is just empty
<ajmitch> a.u.c has those files there, dated from january, so it's choked somehow
<hads> :%s/nz/nz2/
<lifeless> hads: not really an answer for consumers :)
<lifeless> #ubuntu-mirrors has chatter on this now
<lifeless> ok, disabled and pointing at a.u.c now
<ajmitch> that could be a little slow today
<lifeless> ajmitch: slow and working
<ajmitch> it couldn't point at the same mirror as nz2?
<lifeless> 08:42 < lamont> lifeless: dns updated (dropped it, since we'd rather have the nz operator grumble about 'where'd the traffic go" than the nz2 operator scream about the wave that hit him)
<ajmitch> heh, ok
<ibeardslee> morning
<ibeardslee> they have done that before
<ibeardslee> point nz.a.u.c to nz2.a.u.c
<ajmitch> but probably not on release day
<ibeardslee> hmm yeah
 * ibeardslee checks ubuntu.catalyst.net.nz
<ibeardslee> Release 27-Apr-2011 00:17
<ibeardslee> same as nz2
<ajmitch> is that mirror not listed in the official list?
<ibeardslee> the catalyst one? no
<lifeless> so the citylink issue wasn't a missing release file
<lifeless> it was (minimally, maybe more) a dozen files from jan just awol
<ibeardslee> although catalyst being an official mirror for the kernel .. it is something I might bring up with the powers that be to consider what might happen to some of our traffic
<ibeardslee> citylink is still behind though
<ibeardslee> about 12 hours
<ibeardslee> from nz2
<ibeardslee> hmm n/m being redirected to a.u.c already
<ibeardslee> sigh
<lifeless> ibeardslee: citylink was 3+ months behind on some files
<lifeless> ibeardslee: so it got taken out of rotation
<ibeardslee> grrrr
 * ibeardslee adjusts his sources.list .. probably on a more permanent basis
<lifeless> ibeardslee: I'm going to try and track down an ihug person and ask if they can handle release day
<lifeless> if so, will get it pointed at them
<hads> Natty upgrade in 52 minutes on this laptop, not too shabby
<lifeless> ibeardslee: nz.a.u.c. should always work is the problem - but our mirror prober fails on citylink because of their hidden nz-only host + anycast
<ibeardslee> I'll have a talk to catalyst when I am back at work about it
<lifeless> ibeardslee: cool
<lifeless> don't suppose anyone here knows anyone (from either citylink or ihug)'s irc handle + channel ?
<ibeardslee> see if ubuntu.catalyst.net.nz could be nz.a.u.c .. although they may want to restrict international traffic
<hads> No idea who you'd contact at vodafone
<ibeardslee> lifeless: sorry no
<hads> The ihug guy used to hang out here
<hads> Not for ages though
<lifeless> its fine to throttle international traffic; the mirror prober has to be allowed unfettered access (or you'll be taken out of rotation :P)
<ibeardslee> my big gripe is that there are no TelstraClear peered nz archives
<snail> there used to be a vuw mirror didn't there? anyone recall url?
<lifeless> ibeardslee: I'm not surprised, telstra are...interesting in .au in ISP circles
<ibeardslee> lifeless: the origins of TelstraClear in NZ used to be awesome .. Paradise, Saturn
<lifeless> yeah
<lifeless> hard to tell how much remains and how much business dictates from telstra have impacted
<Atamira> mornin
<lifeless> my dads on telstraclear and has heinous trouble with dns lookups going awry, the $$$#$R%#$ intercepting cache etc
<lifeless> I would /so/ pay more to get real internet.
<ibeardslee> everytime T/C mention that the UFB isn't needed, I tell them it is because they don't peer
<lifeless> UFB ?
<hads> That new scrollbar widget is annoying to position the pointer on.
<ajmitch> now if only open peering were a requirement of UFB
<ibeardslee> ultra fast broadband project
<lifeless> oh
<ibeardslee> ajmitch: I agree on that one
<ibeardslee> it used to be bloody good for that
<lifeless> so its not; we need the new international cable first - or is that the same thing? [no browser atm, can't google]
<hads> You have to go all the way to the right of the screen to activate it and then left a few pixels to actually use it.
<ibeardslee> lifeless .. I sort of disagree
<ajmitch> lifeless: ufb is just the fibre to the home part
<hads> Nothing to do with International bandwidth
<hads> (which will still be crap)
<ibeardslee> with decent peering .. more services will able to be hosted in NZ
<ajmitch> rather than having everyone on a nice shiny fast fibre network & having packets go to australia or the US for content in NZ?
<hads> And we can still pay the same for bandwidth to them :)
<lifeless> ibeardslee: what sort of services are you thinking of?
<lifeless> well, going international for local content is batshit itself
<lifeless> but - for instance, - WoW is never going to host a cluster here
<ibeardslee> eg au.archive.ubuntu.com is faster(ish) for me than nz.archive.ubuntu.com
<lifeless> youtubes
<lifeless> facebook etc
<lifeless> their primary content is so dynamic, they can and do use a cdn for handling hotspots
<lifeless> skype / voip of any sort
<ibeardslee> hmm yeah
<hads> What about VoIP?
<ibeardslee> but I think they are decent enough
<lifeless> ibeardslee: 7pm at night they are messed up
<ibeardslee> local content available local (not via the US) is critical
<lifeless> hads: international voip calls get messed up if you suffer more than a few % packet loss
<ajmitch> hopefully the project won't get too bogged down with political wrangling
<lifeless> hads: last two weeks I haven't been able to call internationally in the early evening reliably
<lifeless> ibeardslee: I agree that that is a good thing - but:
<ibeardslee> then (in an ideal world) we can get a local region dependant streaming etc
<hads> lifeless: That would depend on the VoIP providers upstream
<lifeless> hads: huh no, its udp all the way
<ibeardslee> although in a more ideal worl region wouldn't matter
<ibeardslee> world
<lifeless> hads: setup is centralised, traffic flow is point to point
<hads> No
<hads> lifeless: Use a local provider with decent interconnects and then the traffic is their concern, all you need to worry about it your path to them.
<ibeardslee> ajmitch: it will :(
<lifeless> hads: they still need available international capacity
<hads> Traffic flow is not usually point to point with SIP/RTP, it can be but more than often it's not.
<lifeless> hads: depends on the exchange IIRC
<lifeless> hads: anyhow the point is that if traffic for me is poor, eithe rI'm shaped (and undeclared so - the 'what your adsl sync as is what you get is a lie')
<ibeardslee> well me has to take some rubbish to the tip and then work out if the budget can handle a nook colour
<ibeardslee> back later
<lifeless> hads: or there is a shortage of intl capacity
<hads> 99.9% of the time your media is going to go through the service provider, if it didn't you would have all sorts of one way audio issues with RTP not getting through firewalls and NAT.
<ajmitch> there are so many points in the network where capacity can be an issue
<hads> Yup
<ajmitch> international being the big one
<lifeless> hads: of course, thats why your nat box needs a sip proxy
<lifeless> <- not entirely clueless; ran a distributed asterisk setup in .au for a while
<hads> <- does VoIP all day
<lifeless> hads: nice
<lifeless> hads: we kinda got stuck on one protocol
<lifeless> hads: my point is that there are many, and when there *is* scarcity it drives prices and things like shaping, intercepting proxies etc
<lifeless> which the 'net is not designed to have or to handle
<hads> Agreed
<lifeless> peering is a commercial design driven by actual interconnects and costs
<lifeless> if telstraclear aren't peering its because they make more money not peering
<hads> This scrollbar thing isn't going to bug me
<lifeless> that may be fixable by changing the business environment - e.g. the rules under which peering happens
<lifeless> or by changing the resources available
<lifeless> I guess my larger point is that to fix this just saying it must be so won't work - if the govt tried, for instance, they would get impassioned pleas about how its unrelated, unfair etc
<lifeless> but if the drivers of not-peering can be determined, attack the root cause
#ubuntu-nz 2011-04-29
<lifeless> ibeardslee: first step for catalyst would be registering on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
<chilts> is it still morning, if so ... morning
<ajmitch> chilts: apparantly
<ibeardslee> /away///
<ibeardslee> gah lag
<ibeardslee> lifeless: would need to check if we considered it something that should be publicly advertised
<lifeless> ibeardslee: if you wanted to be nz.a.u.c you /have/ to be registered there
<lifeless> its what drives all thhe health checks of mirrors
<ibeardslee> understood
<ibeardslee> currently just an idea that is pondering through my head, it'll need approval from higher up if it is something that we do
<lifeless> of course
<hads> I didn't realise UC had a mirror
<lifeless> ok
<lifeless> how do I get flashplugin-installer to install the *64 bit* plugin
<lifeless> hyou know, the one that works
<ibeardslee> .. just does .. doesn't it?
<ibeardslee> my remote upgradqe to Natty of my work PC didn't go as planned
<ibeardslee> seems the LDAP auth died with the upgrade
<ibeardslee> so I can't login again until Monday morning .. which in itself is not that bad
<lifeless> Depends: nspluginwrapper (>= 0.9.91.4-2ubuntu1), ia32-libs (>= 2.2ubuntu18), debconf | debconf-2.0, wget, fontconfig
<lifeless> its 32 bit ><
<ibeardslee> that's what mine says .. seems to work fine
<ibeardslee> well that ia32-libs is a dependancy
<lifeless> right
<lifeless> ok, yours working is good data
<lifeless> are you on 64-bit build?
<ibeardslee> my PC is, that what I did the 'apt-cache show' on
 * ibeardslee is sitting at his 32bit HP Mini atm
<ibeardslee> and I can't get to my work PC because of broken LDAP auth on the PC
<ibeardslee> but that was 64bit and I'm certain that it needed the ia32-libs and flash worked in the browsers
<lifeless> ibeardslee: ok, but just to salve my paranoia - the PC that you did apt-cache show on, has *its* flash working in youtube etc?
<ibeardslee> lifeless: yes
<ibeardslee> firefox and chromium
<ibeardslee> natty .. although, not checked after today's updates
<lifeless> kk, thanks
#ubuntu-nz 2011-05-01
<ajmitch> morning
<Atamira> mornin
<snail> moring all
<mwhudson> morning
<ibeardslee> morning
<ibeardslee> mutter mutter .. the upgrade to natty broke my ldap auth on my workstation
 * Atamira cant even upgrade to 10.10
<Atamira> dont wanna do a fresh install
<ibeardslee> why can't upgrade?
<Atamira> unable to get 3 needed files on the nz server
<ibeardslee> use nz2.archive.ubuntu.com ?
<ibeardslee> are they font files?
<ibeardslee> I had a problem early on with a couple of files that seemed to be fonts .. uninstalled them and then all went well
<mwhudson> it seems that hiding on the south island for natty release week wasn't actually necessary
<ajmitch> the release wasn't that bad
<ibeardslee> goes well on the workstation at home and my laptop
<ibeardslee> not so flash on my work pc
<mwhudson> i had to use ppa-purge repeatedly to get the upgrade to work at all
<mwhudson> but that falls somewhat in the "i was asking for trouble" end of things
<ibeardslee> ahh yeah had to do that once myself
<ajmitch> mwhudson: yeah, I'm not surprised when that happens
<mwhudson> it was a bit non-obvious what the problem was
<ajmitch> trying to work out a proper upgrade path from some random set of PPAs is a bit tricky
<mwhudson> for me it was xorg-edgers which i only had enabled for a month around the time maverick was released
<ajmitch> the only system I upgraded, I did manually with apt-get & installing a subset of updated packages at a time
#ubuntu-nz 2012-04-23
<ibeardslee> morning
<ajmitch> morning
<chilts> morning
<hads> morning
<Atamira> morning
<ajmitch> almost time for precise release, is anyone having a release party? or do we just not do that in NZ? :)
<thomi> ajmitch: sounds like you just volunteered to organise it...
<thomi> if it's in Dunedin I'll attend :)
<thumper> release party?
 * thumper is keen
<ajmitch> thumper: I figured you might be
<ajmitch> if we do anything it'd need to be before middle of next week, I suppose?
<thomi> ajmitch: for me, yes.
<ajmitch> thumper: when are you away?
<thumper> ajmitch: sunday
<ajmitch> ah right, we might have to prepare you for your flight on saturday then :)
<lifeless> I should do one in rangiora
<mwhudson> thumper: release party or release drink-so-much-you-pass-out?
<mwhudson> (how has the last couple of weeks been, anyway? :-p)
<ojwb> morning
<ojwb> you don't want to have your release party too early - better to let the other release parties shake out any issues first
<thumper> mwhudson: I don't want to pass out
<thumper> makes the following day too hard
<thumper> mwhudson: the last few weeks have been mostly calm
<thumper> which is a nice change
<ajmitch> ojwb: but then we'll have to wait until after UDS, and I imagine that certain people will take awhile to recover after that
#ubuntu-nz 2012-04-24
<ajmitch> morning
<hads> morning
<stuartyeates> mÅrena all
<stuartyeates> I'm looking for recommendations for a version control hosting provider. i had planned to use github but there's a bug
<stuartyeates> as described at https://github.com/stuartyeates/tei-boilerplate-test
<stuartyeates> does anyone know of a version control hosting provider that does both inplace editing and has proper mimetype support?
<kcj> Morning.
<ojwb> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2012-04-25
<thomi> lifeless: mind if I ask you a python-testscenarios question on your day off?
<thomi> I'm sure the problem is staring me right in the face, but I can't see what would cause this to fail like it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/945125/
<lifeless> shoot
<lifeless> what test runner are you using ?
<thomi> nosetests
<lifeless> don't
<thomi> oh?
<lifeless> nosetests isn't unittest compatible
<lifeless> it violates the unittest protocol.
<lifeless> it makes assumptions about structure and intent that the protocol doesn't, which work most of the time
<lifeless> you could file a bug on nosetests if you like
<thomi> Oh! That surprises me. Thanks, I never thought to try another runner...
<thomi> will do...
<lifeless> thomi: try
<lifeless> python -m testtools.run discover .
<thomi> yay, that works - thanks :)
<lifeless> for jenkins you can use python -m subunit.run discover . | subunit2junitxml -o tests.xml
<thomi> cheers
<thomi> hmmm, I just realised that we use the '--with-pylons' option to nosetests, so I may have to get a bit creative... :)
<snail> morning
<ajmitch> morning
<hads> morning
<hads> How odd, clicking a mailto link in chromium all of a sudden opens 59 tabs in arora browser.
<chilts> morning
<hads> Oh well, restarting my session fixed it. Needed to boot into some updates anyway.
<Atamira> morning
<snail> could i get a second opinion? I've been told to submit a bug report at http://sourceforge.net/p/teiboilerplate/tickets/ but can't find the "submit a bug here" link. Am I going blind or just confused by the new look and feel?
<chilts> wow, sourceforge :)
<chilts> snail: you might nee to login?
 * chilts has no idea, but yeah, it doesn't seem to be there
<snail> chilts: yeah, but there's no button obvious even after login, i think maybe it's project members only or something
<chilts> oh really ok
<chilts> that's pretty sad
<snail> chilts: yep :)
<ajmitch>  that would make no sense
<snail> I've asked on #sourceforge, so I can give good feedback to the project admins
<ajmitch> about the only thing I see that changes when I log in is that I can subscribe to the tool :)
<snail> good folks in #sourceforge gave me the wording to give to the newbie developers to fix this.
<chilts> ah cool
<kcj> Morning.
<mwhudson> morning
<Guest40535> morning
<ojwb> morning
<ojwb> snail: looks like they've fixed that bug tracker
<ojwb> there's now a "create ticket" button on the left
<snail> ojwb: yes, I've filed a bug on the tracker about it and closed it as fixed
<ojwb> ok
#ubuntu-nz 2012-04-26
<lifeless> mwhudson: are you on the ubuntu-nz mailing list ?
<Atamira> morning on this wet friday morning
<lifeless> precise is out :)
<ibeardslee> morning
<ibeardslee> has it hit the .nz mirrors yet?
<ajmitch> morning
<chilts> morning
<chilts> woohoo for Precise :)
<chilts> I wonder if an *.04 will come out in *.05 sometime
<chilts> there was one that was 6 weeks late one time, wasn't there?
<ajmitch> dapper became 6.06
<ajmitch> must be time to start working on quantal quetzal now :)
<ibeardslee> I've been upgrading from archive.ubuntu.com for the last couple of weeks .. so there were just 14 packages upgraded this morning
<chilts> ahhh, classic : http://imgur.com/gtXgp
<ojwb> morning
 * ajmitch should see if there's anything to upgrade
<ajmitch> slowest part is apt-get update
<ajmitch>  5,784 B/s 12min 36s
<ibeardslee> yeah that'd be getting hammered
<mwhudson> lifeless: yes
<mwhudson> morning
<mwhudson> oops, i forgot to camp in #ubuntu-release-party this time around
<ajmitch> I was in there for awhile, but didn't really feel like sticking around
<mwhudson> you certainly don't want to read it :-)
<ajmitch> "are we there yet??"
<ojwb> hmm, i'm tempted to create an Ubuntu derivative called Ubik
<ojwb> then this release can be Perky Pat
<ojwb> it does seem a lot of work for a slightly obscure scifi reference though
<mwhudson> maybe you can change your name to horselover fat first?
<mwhudson> (that is the right reference, isn't it?)
<ojwb> yes
<mwhudson> ah, ubik isn't one of the valis novels, so it's not quite the right reference
 * mwhudson tries to remember if he's actually read ubik
<ojwb> apparently you can't remember it wholesale
<mwhudson> :)
<mwhudson> i have read that one
 * ojwb has, but not for 20 years probably
<ojwb> 18 maybe
<mwhudson> ubik's wikipedia summary seems pretty unfamiliar
<mwhudson> but reminds me that pkd was pretty messed up
<ojwb> yes
<thomi> hmm, so whiule using unsquashfs, I see this error printed out:L
<thomi> write_xattr: failed to write xattr security.capability for file working/extracted-squashfs/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon because a weird error occurred
<thomi> *slow claps*
<ajmitch> "a weird error" - very technical
<thomi> ajmitch: here's a question for you:
<thomi> Is there a way to generate a diff of all files changed in an ubuntu package ver X->Y?  The package is a python app, and I want to know what was changed
<thomi> ...without going though all the apt-src nonsense
 * thomi wants an "apt-diff" command
<ajmitch> heh
<thomi> I guess that's a "no" then
<ajmitch> well there's only really debdiff
<thomi> ooh.
<ajmitch> which will compare source files
<thomi> oh
<thomi> ok
<ajmitch> so you'd run 'debdiff X.dsc Y.dsc'
<thomi> hmmm... ok, another stupid Q: how do I get a src package downloaded?
<thomi> ahh, nvm
<ojwb> apt-get source ...
<thomi> I knew that
<ojwb> that'll unpack it too
<thomi> :-/
<ojwb> there may be an option not to, never looked
<thomi> I'll just use diff on the extracted files then
<thomi> hmmm, are older versions of a package purged from the download servers straight away?
<ajmitch> thomi: yes
<thomi> ok, so what do I need to do to get an older version of a package?
<ajmitch> depends if LP has purged it, what's the package?
<thomi> ibus
<thomi> current is 1.4.1, I need to get the source for 1.4.0
<ajmitch> looks like it's gone
<ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+publishinghistory says the last 1.4.0 version was removed from disk
<ajmitch> you might be able to get the version from the bzr branch
<thomi> nooooooo
<thomi> ok, thanks anyway
<thomi> I'll do this the hard way
<ajmitch> each version should be tagged in lp:ubuntu/ibus
<ojwb> if the debian package is close enough, you could get that from snapshot.debian.org
<ajmitch> there look to be a few patches in ubuntu, so the branch might be the best option
<thomi> gah - even worse, the changes I need to look at involve a rename, which makes the diffs useless
<ajmitch> win
<ojwb> can't you tell debdiff about renamed files?
<ojwb> hmm, maybe not for source diffing
<thomi> it's OK, I just need to do it manually, can;'t rely on the VCS diffs
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> sorry to not be of much help
<thomi> :)
#ubuntu-nz 2012-04-27
<thumper> I wonder why it is that ubuntu always adds a new kernel the day of release...
<ajmitch> various bugfixes that are queued up waiting for release day, that won't be on the images that get tested
<lifeless> ajmitch: thomi: bzr diff -rbranch:lp:ubuntu/ibus..branch:lp:ubuntu/precise/ibus
<ajmitch> lifeless: won't help much, the version of ibus will be the same between quantal & precise
<ajmitch> 1.4.0 was superseded in precise back in march, which is why I suggested tags
<ajmitch> but I don't know how to compare that :)
<lifeless> ajmitch: bzr diff -r1.4.1 from tip
<lifeless> (-r looks up tags without any special instructions)
<lifeless> or you can do -r tag:1.4.1
<ajmitch> ah nice
<lifeless> if the tag collides with other things that might be sourced first
<ajmitch>  216 files changed, 57731 insertions(+), 37446 deletions(-)
<ajmitch> thomi: a bit of text to wade through? :)
<thomi> ajmitch: yeah, one of the issues is that they renamed a bunch of files. I think because they store things in git and then import them renames appear as deletions and additions
 * thomi guesses
<ibeardslee> afternoon fmarier
<ibeardslee> Dunedinites: have you tried to convince Cathy from ZaReason to pop down your way?
<ibeardslee> Dunedin being the first place outside .au for LCA
<ajmitch> nope
 * ajmitch wonders if he can qualify as one of a 'known FOSS people' for that ZaTab
<chilts> ibeardslee: are you guys meeting up with her, or is she going into Catalyst at any stage?
<chilts> ajmitch: I would think so :)
<ajmitch> chilts: but I don't have a blog or social media presence! :)
<chilts> do you have a GitHub/Gitorious/SourceForge/GoogleCode/BitBucket account?
<chilts> any is fine
<ajmitch> I've had a sourceforge account for > 10 years now, have a github account
<ajmitch> most of my stuff would be on launchpad though :)
<chilts> then you're fine :)
<chilts> oh yeah, I knew I missed one out
<chilts> oopse
 * chilts <- bad chilts
<ajmitch> and something to do with this 'ubuntu' that I've heard about
<lifeless> zatab ?
<ajmitch> http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html
<ajmitch> tablet that zareason have put together
<chilts> YAY for FRIDAY!
<ajmitch> might be nice to put ubuntu on :)
<lifeless> bah, its missing thunderbolt
<ajmitch> I'm guessing all the prices on the zareason site are USD still
<ojwb> the dates seem to be
<lifeless> so whats the 'known foss people' thing ?
<ajmitch> looks just to be an anti-fraud thing of getting them to people they could reasonably trust, and who wouldn't expect a perfectly working android tablet with all the google goodies
<ojwb> https://twitter.com/#!/ZaReasonNZ/status/195358156925308928
<chilts> I don't think it means anything, I think it just means that they'd like FOSS people since they'll probably report (and maybe fix) bugs more than others
<ojwb> not clear to me if by fraud they mean "ordered with a stolen CC" or "ordered by someone not actually involved in FOSS"
 * ajmitch shrugs
<ojwb> but I suspect if you're on this channel you probably count
<chilts> I don't think life is this hard ... I think you're fine :)
<chilts> and with that, have a good weekend one and all :)
 * chilts &
<ibeardslee> ajmitch: I'd back you up
<ibeardslee> chilts: yeah I hope she does pop into Catalyst
<ibeardslee> Cathy is supposed to be heading down to Wellington today, don't know if she'll be in touch over the weekend
 * ibeardslee is hinting and hinting that she should be around for Catalyst BoC
<ibeardslee> anyway .. /me wanders away for the night.
<ibeardslee> have a good ones peoples
<ojwb> BoC?
#ubuntu-nz 2012-04-28
<ojwb> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2012-04-29
<snail> mÅrena
<ojwb> morning
<ibeardslee> morning
<chilts> morning
<ajmitch> morning
<snail> got bitten badly by google last week. turns out that their RSS web crawler ignores robots.txt files. asking for an RSS feed of 5000 epubs every 3 minutes without caching makes my server sad when someone leaves their google homepage open for a couple of days
<ojwb> eep
 * ojwb can see an argument for ignoring robots.txt there, but hitting every 3 minutes isn't sane
<snail> the answer, naturally, is caching
<snail> :)
<mwhudson> morning
<hads> It's interesting to find weaknesses due to third parties activities. I discovered that I wasn't caching nicegear's rather heavy 404 page and just about brought the server down when some PCI-DSS company ran a stupid vulnerability scan.
<hads> And, morning.
<lifeless> snail: well, maybe make epub cheaper to deliver ?
<snail> lifeless: the issue was that the RSS feed was based on a solr search. the ePubs are already stored as flat files on the disk
<lifeless> ah
<Atamira> morning
<kcj> Morning.
#ubuntu-nz 2013-04-22
<ibeardslee> morning
<snail> morning
<ajmitch_> morning
<olly> morning
<ibeardslee> Any Wellington people going to be at the Makertorium in Wellington this coming Saturday?
<ibeardslee> hads: are you coming up for that?
<ojwb> hmm, well I very likely would be except i'm already busy 8-5 saturday
<thumper> morning
<hads> ibeardslee: I hadn't heard anything about it until Mindkits asked if we were going last week. So too late now unfortunately.
<ibeardslee> bugger
<chilts> morning
<mwhudson> morning
<ibeardslee> chilts: no wifi card for it, straight into the wired network.
<chilts> righto
<chilts> then again, I have a USB wifi stick which work
<hads> RPi has picky USB ports.
<chilts> as in not everything works with it?
#ubuntu-nz 2013-04-23
<hads> Yeah, mostly power problems which can be overcome using a powered hub but they do seem to be a bit picky.
<chilts> yeah, wondered if a powered hub would make sense
<chilts> esp. if need to plug in a hub anyway, makes sense to do a powered one
<chilts> e.,g. wifi, keyboard/mouse combo
<G> hmmmm how did irssi highlight on that,  anyway, yeah I think with the Pi powered hub is essential, which is a pity because it detracts from the small form factor, but oh well
<G> hads: talking of RPis, are you distributing the Welsh or the Chinese Pis?
<hads> G: Welsh
<ibeardslee> morning
<snail> morning
<Atamira> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2013-04-24
<chilts> afternoon
<chilts> I'm late
#ubuntu-nz 2013-04-25
<ibeardslee> morning
<ajmitch_> morning
<hads> morning
<ajmitch_> so raring was released, might be time to upgrade soon
<thumper> ajmitch: yeah, I'm running update righ tnow
<ajmitch> hopefully unity & games will play nicely together again for me :)
<mwhudson> morning
<ojwb> morning
<hlmc> hi  anyone knows whats going on with the nz repository ?
<ibeardslee> what symtoms are you seeing?
<ibeardslee> symptoms
<chilts> morning
<hlmc> Im getting authenticated error, I have change to the main repository and work fine, but NZ doen't
<ibeardslee> I just checked on my PC and don't seem to be getting that
<ibeardslee> is that when you 'sudo apt-get update' ?
<hlmc> exact
#ubuntu-nz 2013-04-28
<mwhudson> morning
<mwhudson> i suppose i should update to raring...
<ajmitch> morning
<ojwb> morning
<chilts> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2014-04-21
<ibeardslee> morning
<mwhudson> morning
<hads> morning
<ajmitch> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2014-04-22
<ibeardslee> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2014-04-23
<mwhudson> uh yes
<ibeardslee> morning
<ajmitch> morning
<mwhudson> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2014-04-26
<olly_> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2014-04-27
<ibeardslee> morning
<olly_> morning
<ajmitch> morning
<hads> morning
<kcj> Morning.
#ubuntu-nz 2015-04-20
<ibeardslee> morning
<thumper> o/
<hads> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2015-04-21
<ibeardslee> morning
<hads> morning
<mwhudson> is there anyone in wellington who will sell me a old-school to slim tip lenovo charger adapter, do we think?
<mwhudson> this sort of thing http://www.amazon.com/Patuoxun%C2%AE-Charger-ThinkPad-UltraBook-Notebook/dp/B00F4Q4J1Q/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_2/187-7454769-0126014
<mwhudson> (and not fucking fishpond)
<ibeardslee> you could try Silicon
<mwhudson> yeah true
<hads> If you don't need one for a couple of weeks Ebay would probably work.
<mwhudson> "need" is relative i guess
<mwhudson> i think newegg ship to nz now too
<olly> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2015-04-22
<atamira> morning
<atamira> oh..afternoon
<ibeardslee> morning
<hads> morning
<olly> morning
<atamira> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2015-04-23
<hads> morning
<hads> Oh. Release.
<ibeardslee> morning
<ibeardslee> it has been a while since I've done the 6 monthly releases
<ibeardslee> sticking to trusty and .. .. lucid :/
<hads> Most of my boxes are on Trusty
 * ajmitch only has trusty & precise at the moment
<ibeardslee> any ideas when the lts enablement stuff for vivid is due out?
<ajmitch> no idea
<hads> I now have a vivid desktop.
<ajmitch> is it shiny?
<hads> I immediately notice that gnome-terminal absorbs ALT+3 making it so I can't get to this window in irssi+screen :)
<ajmitch> that would annoy me greatly
<hads> I haven't noticed any other changes yet.
<hads> Totem is new.
<chilts> so is 'x' going to be the next LTS ... wonder what the hell that'll be called!
<olly> xrated xenophobe
<ajmitch> still waiting on name for w
<hads> Fixed gnome-terminal by disabling tab switching in shortcut preferences.
<hads> Middle click doesn't seem to send a window to the back any more.
<hads> (on title bar)
<G> hads: oh no, Ubuntu has picked up that gnome-terminal 'trick' (grabbing unconditionally Alt+#'s) now? How disappointing.
<G> hads: I think the 'Mate' fork of gnome-terminal has resisted the change based on playing around with Arch the other week.
<hads> G: Yeah. It used to only do it if you had tabs open, seems to do it all the time now.
 * olly has never really taken to tabbed terminals
<hads> I don't often, occasionally if they are related things such as tailing a log in the background
<olly> I guess I resent the loss of a couple of lines - I'm happy enough with screen
<G> hads: yep, as I said, the mate-terminal fork last I checked hasn't got that patch, I believe it was a GNOME3-ism
#ubuntu-nz 2015-04-24
<ibeardslee> hads: at some stage I think I recall you having done an arduino controlled led cube .. do I recall correctly?
<hads> ibeardslee: I've done a light prototype. Is that what you're thinking of? https://twitter.com/hadleyrich/status/463460020869271552
<hads> Decided it was too difficult due to regulations surrounding downlights and insulation ratings etc.
<ibeardslee> no, more something like this .. http://cdn.instructables.com/FQX/SRVK/I4MMRI76/FQXSRVKI4MMRI76.MEDIUM.jpg
<ibeardslee> thinking of a different 'project' for the Arduino Academy
<hads> Hmm. I don't think so no, Freetronics have a kit though; https://nicegear.co.nz/electronics-gear/freetronics-cube4-4x4x4-rgb-led-cube/
<hads> Oh, I did a USB RGB Orb; https://nicegear.co.nz/electronics-gear/orblink-kit/
<hads> "an USB"?
<ibeardslee> oh .. oh
<ibeardslee> nothing like a good wobble eh?
#ubuntu-nz 2015-04-26
<hads> G: I didn't know about 'ESC then num' sequence which works as an alternative.
<G> hads: oh thanks
<Inspire> hello
#ubuntu-nz 2016-04-25
<ibeardslee> morning
<olly> morning
<hads> Morning
<mwhudson> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2016-04-26
<ibeardslee> 1morning
<olly> morning
<mwhudson> morning
<chilts> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2016-04-27
<olly> morning
<hads> morning
<ibeardslee> oh yeah morning
<mwhudson> morning
<chilts> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2016-05-01
<ibeardslee> morning
<olly> morning
<chilts> morning
#ubuntu-nz 2017-04-27
<olly> precise EOL is tomorrow, except for "Ubuntu Advantage customers" according to https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
<olly> compare and contrast with "Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the âenterprise editionâ, we make our very best work available to everyone on the same Free terms." according to https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/s390x/ch01s01.html
<mwhudson> oh come on
<shxpc> hmmm
<lakan> hmmm
<lakan> exit
#ubuntu-nz 2018-04-26
<nubnub> kiaora peeps