#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-08
<bjsnider> update-manager tells you when you run it that you need a dist upgrade
<roasted> hello
<roasted> jbicha: not to pester, but I noticed in 13.10 alpha, the software center worsk fine.
<roasted> I threw 13.10 on my other partition to see if my lockup issue is resolved (I think it's a kernel 3.8 issue) and I noticed USC works fine
<roasted> also, I thought 13.10 would come with the pressure sensitive message tray?
<roasted> oh, that was a feature coming with xorg 1.14... 13.10 alpha is still on 1.13
<roasted> will 13.10 be getting 1.14?
<jbicha> maybe xorg 1.14 will be in saucy tomorrow
<roasted> no kidding?
<jbicha> I believe the Software Center crash is because of WebKit so you wouldn't be experiencing it on Saucy yet (assuming you aren't using the GNOME3 PPAs there)
<roasted> yeah, no PPAs.
<jbicha> thanks for prompting me to check my theory
<roasted> Just regular 13.10 install.
<sawrubh> I have downloaded the iso file from the cd images site, now I want to install it from inside Windows 7 (similar to what we used to do with wubi)
<sawrubh> how can I do so ?
<sawrubh> I've tried to mount the iso and then copying the wubi.exe inside to outside where the iso file is stored and following the steps I used to do earlier, but it starts downloading the torrent for the iso, instead of using the iso stored locally
<anonee> hello room
<anonee> how can I exclude wine in emerald?
<roasted> is GNOME online accounts broken or do I just have bad luck? I added exchange and own cloud yet nothing happened. not seeing any files contacts email etc
<roasted> hmm my Fedora VM works with own cloud. looks like it just adds a web dav entry in Nautilus to mount easily. no such behavior in Ubuntu gnome though... is this expected?
<jbicha> roasted: I believe Ubuntu cripples gnome-user-share's webdav support since it requires Apache and we have no intention of running Apache in the default Ubuntu install
<roasted> so it will indefinitely be expected to have broken integration in Ubuntu GNOME?
<jbicha> and the GNOME maintainer has no intention of splitting that feature out
<jbicha> it's probably fixable but it may be difficult
<roasted> is that to say ifi install Apache it might magically work again?
<bjsnider> does fedora require apache by default?
<jbicha> I thought it was more complicated than that
<jbicha> bjsnider: yes, I think nearly all GNOME distros do because of gnome-user-share
<bjsnider> guhh
<jbicha> Debian does
<jbicha> even more, gnome-control-center's sharing panel is designed around the Red Hat style of services...where distros ship things by default like openssh-server (but disabled by default)
<roasted> I sure hope this won't be a broken thing indefinitely. that's one of the nice features of GNOME is the integration.
<bjsnider> i don't know that i agree with that whole idea. a distro shouldn't depend on  httpd
<jbicha> part of Ubuntu GNOME's mission as I see it is to try to work on integration issues like these
<bjsnider> i think this is more of a gnome issue
<jbicha> we've fixed a lot...just compare gnome-control-center on GNOME in 12.04 to what it's like now
<bjsnider> someone should have put the kibosh on this before it became a thing
<bjsnider> while it was still an idea and not yet a thing
<jbicha> gnome-user-share has been that way for quite a while I believe
<bjsnider> yeah but how many gnome users realize they're running httpd?
<jbicha> Debian & Ubuntu don't have much presence in driving GNOME development
<bjsnider> it doesn't pop up and say "you are running a web server. i hope you know that."
<jbicha> and in this case, Debian didn't patch apache2 out of gnome-user-share (so it's shipped by default)
<roasted> it also seems as if my exchange services work in my Fedora VM but not in the regular instance of Ubuntu gnome.... :-\
<jbicha> roasted: 13.04 or 13.10?
<roasted> calendar and all. I think that's a first.
<roasted> saucy
<jbicha> and you have ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed? go ahead and file a bug
<roasted> but I recall having this issue with my 13.04 instance too
<roasted> I'll check in a minute here
<jbicha> it should be handled by evolution-data-server-goa
<jbicha> but there's lots of pieces involved, from evolution to gnome-control-center and gnome-online-accounts
<roasted> Ubuntu GNOME desktop installed on saucy
<roasted> cancel that
<roasted> exchange integration works in saucy
<roasted> maybe it was raring that didn't
<jbicha> ok, in raring make sure evolution-data-server-goa is installed
<jbicha> we don't have anything explicitly depending on it in the GNOME3 PPA for Raring yet
<jbicha> oh never mind, that version of EDS hasn't been backported to the GNOME3 PPA
<roasted> this is great. I don't think I've ever had calendar and native exchange support in evolution
<jbicha> darkxst: do you have any thoughts on this patch? https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gnome-settings-daemon/enable-ibus-support/+merge/171856
<roasted> the own cloud piece is a definite bummer though.
<roasted> but it kooks like the own cloud integration Just adds a web DAV link in nautilus. it doesn't look like it does any actual file syncing like the client
<roasted> What's different about Gnome's integration of Exchange services between 13.04 with Gnome3 PPA and 13.10? I have full syncing in 13.10, but nothing whatsoever in 13.04 + Gnome3 PPA...
<darkxst> roasted owncloud webdav needs gvfs built against g-o-a
<roasted> darkxst: so I guess that's what UbuGNOME is missing?
<darkxst> roasted its on staging ppa
<roasted> darkxst: I'm on 13.10...
<roasted> would it not be there?
<darkxst> gvfs in the archives is not built against g-o-a
<jbicha> darkxst: I'm guessing that would hit bug 1193018 then :(
<ubot5> bug 1193018 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) "GOA support not completely split" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1193018
<darkxst> jbicha, yeh
<jbicha> we should ask seb128 about it anyway
<darkxst> well I havent actually looked too closely, but I expect so
<roasted> darkxst: not entirely sure I follow. I took this as a limitation of the PPA in 13.04, but 13.10... I would have expected it to work... is this to say that gvfs won't be built against g-o-a at any point, even for future releases?
<darkxst> roasted, we still need to work out some things with g-o-a in the main archives, i.e. the bug jbicha posted
<roasted> darkxst: ah, I thought that was a separate issue... evolution+gmail vs gvfs+owncloud.
<darkxst> well the root issue is the same, i.e. gvfs can't have a runtime dependency on goa
<roasted> ah
<darkxst> jbicha, I don't get why he wants to avoid using gnome-desktop 3.8 symbol?
<roasted> evolution with gmail and exchange seem to work great in 13.10, for what it's worth.
<roasted> both with mail and calendars
<darkxst> jbicha, ok I see, that symbol was removed
<darkxst> jbicha, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=55fee0c57563b95deddc4396eec87ab6bee35d34
<darkxst> might be better to use that git patch
<jbicha> you can suggest that to him
<darkxst> ok
<darkxst> jbicha, so I assume ibus 1.5 will land soon?
#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-09
<jbicha> I'm hoping it will land this week
<darkxst> ok, g-s-d is basically blocked on lid close power actions
<darkxst> (and possible wacom panel issues, which I can't test)
<jbicha> I was thinking we should have ibus & indicator-keyboard land first and then start testing g-s-d 3.8
<alexandros_c> hello, I just changed the gpu in my laptop from ati x1400 tp nvidia go 7900, do I have to reinstall the os?
<darkxst> jbicha, ok I need to sort the lid close stuff anyway
<darkxst> alexandros_c, no but you may need to make sure you have the correct X drivers installed
<darkxst> it should boot up in fallback X
<darkxst> then you can install nouvaeu or proprietry nvidia driver
<alexandros_c> darkxst: do you know where to location the information to do it? Thanks for your response
<darkxst> alexandros_c, see software & update and then additional drivers tab
<alexandros_c> darkxst: thanks once again
<alexandros_c> darkxst: it says that I am currently using a Gallium 0.4 on NV49
<darkxst> its quite possible that nouveau is already installed, but its also likely that 3D is broken
<alexandros_c> so reinstall the os?
<darkxst> alexandros_c, run `glxinfo | grep -i opengl`
<darkxst> alexandros_c, no
<darkxst> check that command, if it says LLVM, then you just need to reinstall the driver
<alexandros_c> darkxst: ok thanks, I have to install mesa-utils but I have to wait until the current update is finished
<darkxst> settings->details might also tell you
<alexandros_c> ok under driver it says Gallium 0.4 on NV49 and experience is standard
<darkxst> ok not sure about that then, just get the glxinfo output
<bjsnider> alexandros_c, how did you change the gpu in a laptop?
<alexandros_c> bjsnider: because the ati x1400 was dying on me and causing the cpu using to always be high making the laptop unusable
<bjsnider> no, i didn't ask why
<bjsnider> i asked how
<alexandros_c> lol
<bjsnider> you'd have to change the whole board
<bjsnider> the gpu is part of the chipset
<alexandros_c> no
<alexandros_c> with the dell inspiron 9400 the gpu can be changed
<bjsnider> how?
<alexandros_c> all I had to do was open up the laptop and unscrew the old gpu and screw in the new
<bjsnider> ok, so it's an expansion card
<alexandros_c> no it has a gpu port on the mobo
<bjsnider> does it also have built-in intel graphics?
<alexandros_c> no
<alexandros_c> well actually it depends on what model you brought
<bjsnider> were you not able to get a newer nvidia card than that?
<alexandros_c> no only certain cards will fit the slot without moding the mobo
<bjsnider> the newer blobs dropped support for hardware prior to the geforce 8
<bjsnider> so the 304 series is the latest you can use
<bjsnider> or you can use nouveau, whichever works better
<alexandros_c> ok thanks, what about 3D acceleration?
<bjsnider> both would provide it, certainly the blob would be superior
<bjsnider> if that's your biggest concern, go with the blob
<alexandros_c> what concerns are there?
<alexandros_c> will it provide a performance boost?
<bjsnider> nouveau would provide kms and plymouth
<bjsnider> the lbob wouldn't
<bjsnider> nouveau might be faster in 2d situations
<bjsnider> then there's the ethical side if your interested in normative concerns. nouveau is foss
<alexandros_c> what about nouveau 3d rendering?
<darkxst> alexandros_c, like I said you will probably need to re-install the driver to get 3D rendering working
<darkxst> X can only have a single GL driver installed at once
<bjsnider> that is supported but there are a lot of edge cases where it doesn't work well. and in any case it will not be as fast as the blob
<alexandros_c> so just use sudo apt-get install nouveau?
<darkxst> alexandros_c, you could try 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-nouveau'
<bjsnider> if he was using radeon before he doesn't have to change anything
<alexandros_c> so 3d should be working then?
<bjsnider> you would have to reboot of course
<darkxst> alexandros_c, glxinfo will tell you if 3D is working
<alexandros_c> one more question, I according to systems detail I am using Gallium 0.4 on NV49, why is it saying that if I am using nouveau?
<bjsnider> nouveau uses gallium
<alexandros_c> ok
<bjsnider> it uses gallium to provide opengl
<alexandros_c> hey I got for vendor noveau, renderer Gallium 0.4 on NV49 version 2.1 Mesa 9.1.3 shading language version 1.20 and nothing for extension
<bjsnider> nothing?
<alexandros_c> nothing
<alexandros_c> is that bad?
<bjsnider> can you run glxgears?
<darkxst> thats just from the grep
<alexandros_c> it is running
<darkxst> alexandros_c, it is fine
<bjsnider> and you're getting 60fps
<bjsnider> it's syncing to vblank
<alexandros_c> 114.198 fps
<bjsnider> ok, you maybe don't have vblank
<alexandros_c> is that good?
<bjsnider> you're running gnome-shell?
<alexandros_c> yes
<bjsnider> can you drag a window back and forth across the screen to see if you've got tearing?
<alexandros_c> with a bunch of extensions installed
<alexandros_c> yes I did and there was no tearing
<bjsnider> hm, whatever. anyway, opengl is working
<alexandros_c> kool
<alexandros_c> are you running ubuntu-gnome?
<bjsnider> darkxst, you only have to worry about drivers if you're using a blob. all of the xorg drivers are preinstalled, and they all talk to the system mesa libgl. libgl is redirected through alternatives to the blob's libgl if that is used.
<bjsnider> so you can switch graphics cards without making any changes other than rebooting
<alexandros_c> yip
<bjsnider> unlike windows, where it's a bigger meal than most users can handle
<darkxst> bjsnider, right, guess I got momentarily confused, isnt something I do very often (switch cards)
<bjsnider> yeah, mostly people switching cards are amd users who are sick of all the b.s.
<bjsnider> in true howard beale fashion
<darkxst> my amd card is permently disabled ;)
<alexandros_c> so you are using intel?
<bjsnider> sounds like a good bumper sticker to me
<bjsnider> i'm using intel ivb and got no complaints
<darkxst> yeh
<alexandros_c> bjsnider and darkxst are you'll running ubuntu-gnome
<alexandros_c> ?
<darkxst> alexandros_c, yes
<bjsnider> yeah
<alexandros_c> I can't choose between unity and gnome-shell as Like both
<alexandros_c> :)
<alexandros_c> darkxst and bjsnider thanks for all your help
<jessejazza> Is there a mailing list for ubuntu-gnome? If not at present is that intended?
#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-10
<roasted> hello friends
<roasted> having a surprisingly good experience @ 13.10 alpha
<roasted> 3.10 kernel is pure <3
<darkxst> pointer barriers too ;)
<roasted> pointer barriers... for dual monitor setups?
<darkxst> well pressure ones
<darkxst> for message tray and activities
<roasted> er, I didn't think that was in 13.10 yet due to 1.13 xorg?
<roasted> I thought that was a 1.14 xorg feature?
<darkxst> 1.14 has landed
<roasted> oh nice
<roasted> I simply edited my messageTray.js to something far less obnoxious than a 1000ms delay time.
<roasted> how many devs are on the UbuGnome team?
<darkxst> only a few
<roasted> well you guys do a good job
<roasted> that's for dang sure
<roasted> I admittedly keep bouncing between Ubuntu GNOME and Fedora, but I'm just not seeing what I'm gaining by going to Fedora. Ubuntu GNOME has all I need.
<roasted> at least, 13.10 will. the 3.10 kernel fixes some issues I was having on this particular laptop (so far, it seems)
<mkeer> Hey... I was logging out from Ubuntu Gnome and it was taking a very long time (at least 5 minutes)
<mkeer> I ended up turning my computer off
<mkeer> and now I see Failed to load session "gnome"
<mkeer> so I can only use the command line...
<mkeer> any idea what is wrong?
<bjsnider> mkeer, you're at the console?
<mkeer> not right now
<mkeer> (I logged on my windows computer)
<mkeer> but I can access the console if I reboot...
<bjsnider> well, if you're looking for a quick, one-word answer to what's wrong, there isn't one
<mkeer> hmm, more precisely I have both Windows and Ubuntu on the same computer, but im on windows right now
<mkeer> do you think just doing sudo apt-get install gnome
<mkeer> would help?
<mkeer> or like, sudo apt-get install gnome-shell or whatever its called
<bjsnider> you have provided no background at all, so i can't say what would help
<bjsnider> there are logs you can investigate
<bjsnider> the package is ubuntu-gnome-desktop, not gnome
<mkeer> ok, what logs can i look at?
<jbicha> mkeer: which version of Ubuntu GNOME are you running?
<bjsnider> do you know which display manager you're using, ie. lightdm or gdm?
<mkeer> gdm
<mkeer> Ubuntu GNOME 13.04
<bjsnider> yeah, so the log is  ~/.cache/gdm/session.log
<bjsnider> you might get some good info out of that
<mkeer> ok ill check it out
<mkeer> ty
<mkeer> gnome-session[2285]: WARNING: Session 'gnome' runnable check failed: Child process exited with code 1
<mkeer> doesn't seem very helpful
<roasted> \
<roasted> oops
<mkeer> doing a sudo apt-get install gnome
<mkeer> hopefully it will help....
<roasted> mkeer: he just said gnome isn't what you want.
<mkeer> i did try sudo apt-get ubuntu-gnome-desktop and it didnt help
<roasted> what about reinstalling it? (bjsnider jump in if I'm wrong). Something like, sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-gnome-desktop
<mkeer> ok... so the situation is a bit better... However, I see 2 tabs on the top
<mkeer> Applications and Places
<mkeer> which is not quite what I want
<roasted> sounds like classic mode, I believe
<mkeer> yes
<jbicha> mkeer: what ppas do you use?
<mkeer> no idea
<jbicha> it sounds like a graphics driver issue
<mkeer> Well, I dont know what ppas are
<jbicha> oh don't worry about it, PPAs allow installing extra software that aren't in the Ubuntu repositories but that can cause problems sometimes
<mkeer> I mostly just installed development stuff... python, eclipse,...
<mkeer> not very much crazy stuff
<mkeer> mostly stuff with installed with apt-get and python libraries...
<jbicha> that should be fine
<mkeer> do you think the fact that I did sudo apt-get install gnome caused this problem?
<roasted> what GPU do you have mkeer
<mkeer> Nvidia NVS 160m
<mkeer> I installed the drivers from the NVIDIA website
<jbicha> mkeer: that might be your problem
<roasted> yeah....
<roasted> I never install GPU drivers from their site. I always get them from the drivers menu or repos of whatever distro I'm using.
<mkeer> but everything was working fine at first
<jbicha> until you rebooted?
<mkeer> well, I logged off and the system seemed to hang
<jbicha> the new driver doesn't activate until you log off
<mkeer> its possible that it was installing updates or something, but it didnt tell me so
<mkeer> so should I be using the Nouveau drivers or...?
<mkeer> ok, im looking at some guide for installing nvidia drivers
<mkeer> Beautiful
<mkeer> Thank you very much to both of you
<mkeer> Blah... very many graphical glitches however
<mkeer> screen turning partially black...
<jbicha> basically I'd recommend figuring out how to uninstall the nvidia drivers you downloaded from their website, reboot and then use the final tab of the Software & Updates tool to try the available packaged drivers if you like
<mkeer> Do you recommend lightdm vs gdm?
<jbicha> there's not much difference but gdm has better integration with GNOME Shell (pretty lock screen)
<mkeer> my cpu jumps to 30% usage just my moving the system monitor window
<mkeer> nothing else is running
<mkeer> not normal, right?
<mkeer> My CPU is a T9600... quite old, but still 2.8ghz or so
<jbicha> if you don't have working 3D acceleration from your graphics driver/card, GNOME Shell falls back to using CPU acceleration
<mkeer> do you work for ubuntu gnome?
<mkeer> (or contribute)
<jbicha> yes, it's a volunteer project and I'm a volunteer
<mkeer> im surprised by how linux distributions maintain consistency despite having people working from all over the world
<namela> ubuntu -gnome say me that : 'can`t load session 'gnome'
<namela> what can i do '? because i install this so yesterday...
<vramana> Hello After reading this article http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/lubuntu-kubuntu-decide-against-mir-switch. I have waited for long time for some official announcement from Ubuntu GNOME But I haven't seen any. Can anybody what will happen to Ubuntu Gnome in future??
<jbicha> vramana: there isn't anything really to announce at this point
<vramana> Oh okay.
<bjsnider> at some point, it's going to be wayland
<bjsnider> whent hey're finished developing it in 48 years
<vramana> bjsnider: Gnome 3.12 aims to use wayland by default.
<vramana> It's release is around March 2014
<vramana> So may be I can expect Ubuntu Gnome to use wayland on 14.10 I guss
<vramana> *guedd
<vramana> *guess
#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-11
<unheeding> i've never felt better in my life
<jbicha> darkxst: what do you want for the default homepage?
<darkxst> jbicha, for firefox? what does ubuntu use?
<jbicha> start.ubuntu.com
<darkxst> not sure really, I sort of inclined to just give them a nice clean google page. but having the help/community links is nice
<jbicha> I really like about:home but I don't know how long it will take for someone to try to fix ubufox (since it's only minimally maintained now)
<darkxst> oh that is cool
<jbicha> that's Firefox's real default and I've set it as my default for quite a while but when I tried setting it for Ubuntu GNOME I hit bug 1195367
<ubot5> bug 1195367 in ubuntu-gnome-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Firefox about:home doesn't work right when set with ubuntu-defaults-builder" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195367
<darkxst> oh, so ubufox kills whatever you set then?
<jbicha> no, I think we could set whatever web page we wanted but about:home is internal and it looks like the javascript is blocked for some reason
<darkxst> weird
<darkxst> jbicha, does anything show up in the error console ?
<jbicha> Security Error: Content at about:startpage may not load or link to chrome://branding/content/icon32.png.
<jbicha> that's it
<darkxst> wouldnt have through that would block js though
<meet> how unstable is an alpha version?
<darkxst> meet, in general its quite stable
<darkxst> however from time to time things might break for a short time
<meet> but do these breakings affect the system critically?
<darkxst> well that is unlikely, but its a development release so maybe occasionally something really bad will happen
<meet> I have a dual boot. I am basically a hobbyist and frequently hop from distro to distro. And even if a major error occurs I may afford to replace the distro. Should I try it out? :D
<darkxst> yeh sure
<darkxst> like I said anyway its quite unlikely that anything critical will happen
<darkxst> and if it did, sounds like you can boot back to backup distro anyway!
<meet> ya..ok.. btw in 13.04 i was having many problems related to online accounts. Like many a times empathy would not connect or ask me to authenticate several times and many such problems. Have these been addressed?
<darkxst> meet, we have removed ubuntu online accounts
<darkxst> so hopefully that might be fixed
<Nedwin> so i have an annoying problem. gnome online accounts would crash every time i tried to remove my google account. I was trying to remove because i could not authenticate with 2-factor authentication. i deleted it from some config files and that apparently fixed the problem. but upon boot i get an authentication request.
<Nedwin> how do i stop these phantom authentication requests?
<Nedwin> they come up when i start a search in the activities screen too.
<Nedwin> should i just purge goa all together???
<meet> Nedwin: i am not sure, but on ubuntu-gnome 13.10 release notes they have given a work around for problems with two factor authentication. have a look. here's the link: http://goo.gl/JT6Ir
<Nedwin> cheers @meet
<Nedwin> I hope that works. otherwise i might end up getting it twice.
<Walli> hi
<Walli> Hallihallo?
<sazawal> Hi
<unheeding> ( Í¡Â° ÍÊ Í¡Â°)
<unheeding> >tfw you are using GNOME3.8
#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-12
<roasted> hello
<roasted> what is this crazy talk about 3.9.4 out already?
<roasted> also, looks like 3.10 is slated for a late sept release. I wonder if that'll end up in 13.10 by default?
<darkxst> ricotz, hi
<ricotz> darkxst, hi
<darkxst> I was thinking to start upload some 3.9 bits to the ppa, what do you think?
<ricotz> darkxst, sounds fine
<ricotz> while there is finally a cogl release, it would be nice to transition to it immediately then
<ricotz> and enable the full wayland support with it
<darkxst> yeh that would be good
<ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/unstable/+packages
<ricotz> dont install those packages like that ;)
<ricotz> there is a breaks missing which would prevent that
<darkxst> ok
<darkxst> ricotz, you added xwayland manually?
<darkxst> considering it hasnt been merged yet afaik?
<ricotz> yes
<ricotz> this is more for testing, the xorg-edgers package includes it too
<ricotz> there are still the ddx side patches needed
<darkxst> ok cool, too bad I am stuck on the binary blob here
<ricotz> yeah, intel is kind of the best to test it
<darkxst> could never get my second monitor to work on nouvaeu
<darkxst> my laptop has intel, buts its not really my dev playground. kind of needs to be stable ;)
<ricotz> darkxst, that is fine
<darkxst> maybe wayland works in vmware though?
<Rand_> hello everybody! I have a great problem with my vuze on ubuntu 13.04 : the window is not responding before I get the gnome 3.8 it was working perfectly, I am on vuze 5.0 is someone know what to do ?
<ricotz> darkxst, i guess it should
<darkxst> Rand_, you might be better trying a more generic channel such as #ubuntu for that. Vuze is not part of gnome
<darkxst> ricotz, I will try when I get a chance.
<darkxst> I do remember seeing mentions of wayland support in the changelogs along the way though
<ricotz> darkxst, it was quite in flux, but with the abi/api promise of wayland 1.1.91 it should calm down
<ricotz> only gtk builds the wayland backend
<ricotz> 3.9.8 require wayland 1.1.90
<ricotz> to prepare the full support for mutter the support in cogl and clutter needs to be enabled too
<darkxst> I pretty sure I don't have any Qt apps (excluding ubuntu apps)
<darkxst> we have pretty much free reign on that this cycle though? assuming its actually ready
<darkxst> Jono has some idea of a Mir backend for gnome-shell, lol ;)
<darkxst> no idea where that will come from !
<ricotz> huh?
<ricotz> i *really* doubt that
<darkxst> ricotz, yes me too
<ricotz> the needed changes for mutter are quite something
<ricotz> and no mir for gnome-shell, without support for mutter/cogl/clutter
<ricotz> and gtk, of course
<darkxst> yeh I know, its super complicated with just X and wayland
<darkxst> no way upstream will take a 3rd complication
<ricotz> absolutely
<darkxst> I think jono is just dreaming....
<darkxst> because there is no way canonical would do it. and its well beyond us
<ricotz> let see what the future brings for mir
<ricotz> i hope fedora will pick up testing GNOME/wayland soon
<ricotz> or even debian
<darkxst> fedora should! its always broken anyways ;)
<ricotz> jfyi https://lists.launchpad.net/elementary-dev-community/msg02491.html
<darkxst> ricotz, that sounds almost exactly the same as the conversation I had with jono
<ricotz> darkxst, probably ;)
<darkxst> apparently there is some delusional idea that upstream might consider ubuntu flavours as different distros
<ricotz> darkxst, i hope they do in regards helping with wayland problems ;)
<darkxst> well ironically, they may well if all the flavours switch to wayland
<ricotz> is there an eta when mir lands in saucy?
<ricotz> (the package itself)
<darkxst> not entirely sure
<darkxst> currently its just Xmir
<darkxst> all input etc is still through X
<ricotz> yeah, i know
<darkxst> so really just a system compositor for rendering
<ricotz> i am just curious about the init changes when this happens
<darkxst> lightdm lauches u-s-c
<ricotz> you mean session-compositor?
<darkxst> yeh
<darkxst> they call it unity-system-compositor of course!
<ricotz> ok
<darkxst> so there shouldnt be any init changes provided you are using gdm or other dm
<ricotz> right
<darkxst> you can force fallback by patching a conf file
<darkxst> and I think there is also a lock file that is created after things fails, so lightdm doesnt bother trying again in case your system doesnt happen to work
<darkxst> anyway at the end of the day wayland is the future for gnome
<darkxst> and I am pretty sure we did bulk of work on landing the gnome 3.8 stack
<darkxst> yet they won't provide any help for example making gdm work under Xmir
<darkxst> ricotz, can you upload gtk 3.9.4? I will start uploading other packages then, when I get back from my adventures tomorrw
<ricotz> darkxst, you mean 3.9.8?
<darkxst> yeh that too
<darkxst> I have been running on jhbuild so far this cycle
<ricotz> it will break the unity menu stuff while there is no port of that patch
<ricotz> if i get to it everything will go into gnome3-staging/saucy first
<darkxst> ok sounds good
<darkxst> I mean it would be better we don;t break unity, but the people using staging probably don't care
<ricotz> darkxst, lars wasnt declined to work on porting the patch though if it is needed
<darkxst> ricotz, ok, that is good I guess
<darkxst> assuming wasnt == hasnt
<roasted> hello friend
<roasted> s
<amjjawad> darkxst:
<amjjawad> darkxst:
<amjjawad> darkxst: I've been waiting here for a long time :(
<amjjawad> darkxst: looks like you are not here
<jbicha> amjjawad: he has to sleep some time ;)
<amjjawad> jbicha: thanks :)
<amjjawad> I will catch up with him later then. He did not tell me what time he be online
<jbicha> darkxst: hibernate on lid close bug 1194328
<ubot5> bug 1194328 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 13.10 Close LID actions Ignored" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1194328
<jbicha> (I don't use that feature but if you wanted somewhere to track that...)
#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-13
<amjjawad> join  #xubuntu-devel
<jbicha> darkxst: bug 1200827 :)
<ubot5> bug 1200827 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Enable GOA backend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1200827
<ricotz> darkxst, hi, gtk is ready in staging
<hachre> hey guys :)
<darkxst> jbicha, hibernate on lid close action is going away anyway
<darkxst> with logind it can only be set as a global option
<jbicha> well an admin could set it then?
<darkxst> sure, it can be set in logind.conf but wont be available in g-c-c
<jbicha> yeah that's fine
<jbicha> speaking of suspend/hibernate, pm-utils is no longer installed by default in UG saucy
#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-14
<Guest78832> hello
<Guest78832> i'm currently running ubuntu 13.04... is there an easy way to convert my existing installation to ubuntu gnome?
<meet> Hi. Just installed 13.04. Working well but the dash is a little laggy while showing up. What can I do so that it shows up instantly.
<meet> Guest78832, you can try this. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/gnome-3-8-ppa-for-ubuntu-gnome
<jbicha> Guest78832: you can skip the ppa steps, basically just installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop will give you a combination of Ubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME
<kenfleming77> Hi Guys , i'm wondering how do i make my own program launcher to go on the left hand menu application laucher bar ?
<darkxst> kenfleming77, right click on an app in the search results and "add to favourites"
<kenfleming77> Cheers :-)
<kenfleming77> The app dont show up, its the program cronometer, can i use a bin file somehow ?
<kenfleming77> where are the program launchers located in the file system so i can check one out and see how it works ?
<kenfleming77> Maybe i'm asking the wrong qustions ? , i use gnome 3 because it the best multi-tasking desktop there is and its sexy, thanks anyway have a great one huys
<darkxst> kenfleming77, it needs to have a desktop file, you can make one with alacarte if its not showing u[
#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-07
<dugie> hello
<dugie> I have a question about gno-menu ... for whatever reason the Tweak Tool > Extensions > Gno-menu is erroring out with this message "Error loading extension" ... I put a video together on youtube to explain the situation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBr-5h2oxpY ... any assistance would be greatly appreciated ... thank you in advance
<dugie> I have a question about gno-menu ...
<dugie> for whatever reason the Tweak Tool > Extensions > Gno-menu is erroring out with this message "Error loading extension"
<dugie> I put a video together on youtube to explain the situation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBr-5h2oxpY ... any assistance would be greatly appreciated ... thank you in advance
<dugie> sorry about the duplicate question ... it appeared that part of my question was cut off .. that's why i duplicated it
<dugie> I have a question about gno-menu ... for whatever reason the Tweak Tool > Extensions > Gno-menu is erroring out with this message "Error loading extension" ... I put a video together on youtube to explain the situation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBr-5h2oxpY ... any assistance would be greatly appreciated ... thank you in advance
<nathaneltitane> hola!
<nathaneltitane> question: how can i set my LVDS laptop monitor (1600x900) top pan vertically only and match my external HDMI output (1920x1080) to get the missing cropped space to show on mouse hover
<nathaneltitane> anyone?
#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-08
<slick6661> Hi all I'm having a problem with gnome freezing after login that I can't seem to find described on stack overflow or through google
<slick6661> it's happened twice where I've installed, then after some time the system just freezes on login
<darkxst> when exactly does it freeze?
<slick6661> was hoping someone here would have heard of or experienced this
<slick6661> so I put in my password
<slick6661> I see the grey background
<slick6661> and thats it
<slick6661> mouse if still working
<slick6661> I can jump to a terminal and reboot
<darkxst> so gnome-shell never appears?
<slick6661> nope
<slick6661> never
<darkxst> can you paste ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log
<darkxst> and /var/log/gdm/\:0-slave.log
<slick6661> cat: /home/landon/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log: No such file or directory
<slick6661> and here's the other one
<slick6661> http://pastebin.com/ZnTdfSLv
<slick6661> darkxst: you think it could be this one?
<slick6661> "/etc/default/locale: No such file or directory"
<darkxst> maybe, do you have that file?
<slick6661> I can see
<darkxst> slick6661, set Debug = True at the end of /etc/gdm/custom.conf then restart gdm and get fresh log
<slick6661> ok will do
<slick6661> it'll take a few but I'll reboot, fail and reboot again. just need to save some work
<slick6661> brb
<slick666> hey darkxst
<darkxst> hey
<slick666> back
<slick666> making a pastbin of that file...
<slick666> http://pastebin.com/tg3kZWve
<slick666> there
<slick666> a lot bigger this time
<slick666> Not seeing a problem in all the noise though
<darkxst> slick666, that was a Unity Session?
<slick666> That might make sense
<slick666> I installed unity after Gnome stopped working
<slick666> so I'm using unity now
<slick666> did unity squash all the gnome3 data?
<darkxst> that file is regerated on each login
<darkxst> so If you just logged into Unity, its no good
<slick666> ah crap
<slick666> ok
<slick666> I'll reboot, login, fail, copy the file, reboot
<slick666> brb
<slick666> hey darkxst
<slick666> back
<slick666> http://pastebin.com/w8gXfMTk
<slick666> this 'should' be what we want
<darkxst> that looked loke it worked as well
<darkxst> did that other log get created?
<darkxst> gnome-session-GNOME.log
<slick666> sorry, where was that file supposed to be?
<slick666> find got it
<slick666> /home/landon/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log
<slick666> ok, here it is
<slick666> http://pastebin.com/MeZtzWWX
<slick666> maybe it's line 28
<darkxst> slick666, I can't see that one
<slick666> looks like the pastebin expired
<dugie> Hi. Anyone around?
<darkxst> dugie, !ask
<darkxst> !ask
<ubot5> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
<dugie> I have a question about gno-menu ... for whatever reason the Tweak Tool > Extensions > Gno-menu is erroring out with this message "Error loading extension" ... I put a video together on youtube to explain the situation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBr-5h2oxpY ... any assistance would be greatly appreciated ... thank you in advance
<darkxst> dugie, we don't support extensions, you should contact the author
<dugie> Oh, I see (said the blind man)
<skilz> Hey I just installed mate-desktop
<skilz> How do I start my session with it?
#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-10
<jawoota> what up clowns
<DASPRiD> meow?
<jawoota> Ben Scholzen: Woof
<DASPRiD> oh, a familiar face
<jawoota> ja
<DASPRiD> identify yourself! ;P
<jawoota> are you KGB?
<DASPRiD> no. NSA of course
<jawoota> there's no NSA in Baden-Wurttemberg
<DASPRiD> you bet
<DASPRiD> the NSA actually has an on-site location in Stuttgart
<jawoota> probably not for much longer
<jawoota> the US intel chief just got kicked out.... they'll move all of that shit to Poland
<DASPRiD> jawoota, actually, should I know you? I don't know any people from Belarus
<jawoota> DASPRiD, lol no
<jawoota> just messin with ya!!
<KING> ah fuck
<KING> 30 secs
<jawoota> ahhhh 14.10 is coming along
<DASPRiD> utopic unicorn \o/
<DASPRiD> they should use this as mascot: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130702040143/whatever-you-want/images/3/32/Request_66_alicorn_twilight_sparkle_by_radiant_eclipse-d5q621j.png
<jawoota> hell yeah
<DASPRiD> alicorns are definitely utopic unicorns ;)
<jawoota> they need to call 15.04 'hotmomma'
<jawoota> prove that this project isn't just a bunch of pink unicorn lovin homos
<DASPRiD> 15.04 letter is "V" though
<jawoota> ohhh yeah
<jawoota> that's right
<jawoota> I forgot that there is a naming convention
<jawoota> hmm
<DASPRiD> it's always Attribute + "Animal"
<jawoota> voluptuous vulcan
<DASPRiD> i'd go with Velociraptor
<jawoota> voluptuous velociraptor?
<jawoota> that sounds O.K.
<DASPRiD> haha
<DASPRiD> propose it ;)
<DASPRiD> jawoota, https://twitter.com/DASPRiD/status/487292344472190976
<jawoota> jaa.......
<jawoota> Shall do
<jawoota> DASPRiD, good man ;)
<fladder> hi, can someone tell me how i can remove the ubuntu-gnome logo at the login screen?
<fladder> usually the theme can be modified in the /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme folder, but it seems this must be done somewhere else...
#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-11
<darkxst> ricotz, hey, did you see my email?
<darkxst> (for tracker MIR)
<ricotz> darkxst, hi, sorry no, i am dealing with a huge fallout :\
<ricotz> the kernel 3.16.0-3 scrambled my root partition
<ricotz> assuming some ext4 heavy-load bug on a ssd
<darkxst> ricotz, kernels shouldnt do that ;)
<ricotz> the filesystem driver can
<darkxst> though my laptop not to happy either, had to revert to trusty kernel on that
<darkxst> atleast filesystem is still intact!
<ricotz> yeah i am on 3.15 again
<ricotz> still a lot of cleaning, reinstalling would be more painful
<darkxst> I am stuck on 3.13, guess related to all the intel drm changes
<slinnky> w00t
#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-12
<dotgokul> does anyone have a plan to update this: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Jhbuild/OnUbuntu  [I am stuck with not being able to start the gnome-session from a VT... my guess is some permission issue/systemd login thing]
<seedwalk> hi there
<seedwalk> is someone there that can help me? i got a black screen when trying to install
#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-13
<LinDol> hi
<darkxst> hi
<darkxst> !ask
<ubot5> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
<LinDol> i dont have question ;)
<LinDol> :-)
<darkxst> ha ok
#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-06
<stiv2k> darkxst: hi
<darkxst> stiv2k, hi
<Noskcaj> darkxst, Are there any plans to still fix bug 1386958 ?
<ubot5> bug 1386958 in Lubuntu Software Center "GNOME Integration" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386958
<darkxst> Noskcaj, the bulk of it was done
<craysiii> anyone else suffer from constant crashing of colord on 15.04?
<darkxst> craysiii, no, file a bug
<craysiii> okay i will. I have done the send a report a few times, next time ill just file it myself
<darkxst> craysiii, for stable release that goes to errors.ubuntu.com
<Noskcaj> craysiii, i'm busy right now, but maybe check errors.ubuntu.com or bugs.launchpad.com/ubuntu/+source/colord to check
<Noskcaj> nvm, darkxst is here to help
<darkxst> Noskcaj, not really, I'm a zombie today
<darkxst> big saturday night
<craysiii> okay so i made an account for ubuntu one so i could access what appears to be the same error that I am getting (#5 on errors.ubuntu.com) but now when i try to view the report i get an OpenID error saying my account doesn't have a nickname. I go to the page where I registered to change my nickname but there is no option to add/edit one
<darkxst> craysiii, reports on errors.u.c need special permissions to access send me the link
<craysiii> oh okay
<craysiii> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/8b9ed48be6c32a738c54fc1fc36cccf2058be60b
<craysiii> i believe thats what it is
<Noskcaj> if there's a bug for it i can triage and unprivate it
<craysiii> i need to confirm though, and it usually only happens once per boot cycle
<darkxst> craysiii, thats bug 1351286
<ubot5> bug 1351286 in sane-backends (Ubuntu) "colord-sane assert failure: colord-sane: simple-watch.c:454: avahi_simple_poll_prepare: Assertion `s->state == STATE_INIT || s->state == STATE_DISPATCHED || s->state == STATE_FAILURE' failed." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351286
<craysiii> interesting error
<craysiii> i wonder if s is null and thats why the assertion is failing
<darkxst> craysiii, s is not null
<darkxst> it could be a dangling pointer though can't tell that from the stacktrace
<craysiii> been a while since ive done or looked at c/++
<darkxst> craysiii, ideally you would fire it up in gdb and set a breakpoint on avahi_simple_poll_prepare
<darkxst> and then poke into s, but if it only happens on boot that is a little tricky
<craysiii> well for me, ot doesn't happen on boot, but only once per boot\
<craysiii> it happens randomly
<craysiii> or what appears to be random
<darkxst> attach gdb to the process, set breakpoint and wait!
<craysiii> ill try to debug it later this week. i'm starting a fullstack web dev course on bloc.io tomorrow. trying to focus on 1 thing at a time :P
<darkxst> could be something specific only getting ~250 hits p/d
<darkxst> hardware specific
<craysiii> what does p/d mean
<craysiii> do you think it could have to do with the fact that im running at kind of a weird resolution? 2560x1080
<darkxst> per day
<darkxst> no shouldnt be related to resolution, I wouldnt have though so anyway
<darkxst> do you have a scanner attached to your machine?
<craysiii> nope
<craysiii> its a really new computer. Intel G3258 cpu. nvidia gtx 960.
<craysiii> no peripherals attached except m/kb and speakers through audio jack
<darkxst> craysiii, its crashing in the Sane Kodak AIO backend
<craysiii> o.O
<craysiii> ill have to check mine then. i don't know why that would even be on my installation
<craysiii> or why it would be invoked
<craysiii> do you think that could happen if there is a networked printer on the LAN?
<darkxst> craysiii, yes
<craysiii> i didn't think about that, there is one networked printer i believe
<craysiii> there is one on the network but its not added as an available printer on my machine
<craysiii> though ubuntu is able to find it
<craysiii> and its an epson printer
<darkxst> craysiii, does seem related to network, if you look at the trace
<darkxst> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/181315332/Stacktrace.txt
<craysiii> net autodiscovery
<craysiii> i wonder if i can turn that off
<darkxst> yeh frames #6 - #8 are probably the interesting ones
<darkxst> you can possibly disable the kodakaio backend, but thats would just be a hacky workaround
<craysiii> truew
<craysiii> needs to fail gracefully
<craysiii> lol
<craysiii> or connect properly or whatever its supposed to do
<darkxst> it could be confused, but I don't have time to look at the source code
<craysiii> thanks for taking me this far
<craysiii> im going to attempt it in my freetime. always wanted to contribute. unless someone does first ha.
<darkxst> seems like a corner case to me, so unlikely that will happen
<darkxst> craysiii, its really hard to fix bugs that can't be reproduced (except the rare occassion there is something
<darkxst> glaring obvious wrong in the stacktrace)
<craysiii> somehow my computer reproduces it every day >.>
<darkxst> It could be triggered somehow by the network printer
<craysiii> maybe when its turned on
<craysiii> or off
<darkxst> I have a xerox network printer but apparently that does not trigger it
<stemid> why is the gnome keyring so bad at handling my passwords? Evolution-ews struggles constantly to remember my password, keeps asking me to authenticate and I've found several bugs reported and solved for similar issues online.
<stemid> and now after I changed my AD password at work pidgin won't work either. keeps asking for the password.
<stemid> this issue with exchange accounts in evolution goes back years
<darkxst> stemid, evo is mainly maintainted by the ubuntu desktop team
<varunwachaspati>  Hello, I am using Ubuntu 15.04, all of my GNOME applications aren't working properly, example- screenshots makes the screen go white and freezes, Tried to reinstall - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832491/
<varunwachaspati> Have a look at the link, any pointers will be appreciated, Thanks in Advance...
<Kurvivor19> Hello! i need an advice. I have a game that is launched but command of type "cd /game/folder && ./game -par param"
<Kurvivor19> it works fine from terminal
<Kurvivor19> but when i create a launcher wich such command, it tells me that "an error occured during launch" every time
<muelli> Kurvivor19: several options.  One is to try Path=/game/folder
<muelli> the other is to try Termin=true
<muelli> then there is always the option of making your line to start the program a little script which you then execute instead.
#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-07
<stiv2k> darkxst: i think the build was crashing because i was running out of RAM in my virtual machine
<stiv2k> darkxst: i'm still intending on doing those patches
<stiv2k> dont give up on me ;)
<craysiii> neva gunna give neva gunna give
<craysiii> (give you up)
<darkxst> stiv2k, I actually ported the packagekit patch to the new api
<darkxst> still needs to be properly integrated into gnome-control-center though
<stiv2k> darkxst: oh?
<stiv2k> what does it mean for me?
<LinDol> hi all
<craysiii> make sandwich
<izro> .
<darkxst> stiv2k, I only ported the first patch to the new packagekit api, it still needs to be properly integrated with the region panel
<stiv2k> darkxst: hi
<darkxst> hi
<stiv2k> darkxst: okay
<stiv2k> control center is still building...
<stiv2k> lol
<darkxst> its takes a while to build all deps! though once they are build you can usually just use jhbuild buildone for the bits you changing
<stiv2k> it would be faster if my computer didnt go to sleep when im not here
<stiv2k> and that every step of the way so far, i had problems
<stiv2k> but that is i think what the definition of learning is
#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-08
<LinDol> hi all
<craysiii> darkxs t after reading the stacktrace from a few restarts it seems that its not the kodak AIO driver failing, but cannon's own pixma driver. Though I don't know how much of a difference it makes.
<craysiii> had to restart again if you msged me dark.
<darkxst> craysiii, can you link a backtrace
#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-09
<craysiii> darkxst where can i find it? I looked at it through ubuntu's error prompt, didn't save it though. looked in /var/log but don't even know which file it would be in
<darkxst> craysiii, it should show up on errors.u.c if you submitted the reports
<ricanlinux>   My wife has Ubuntu-GNOME on her Macbook air. She is having issues getting to resume from suspend. The machine at times will stay in a blank screen and become unresponsive. She will then reboot to get everything working again. I installed xscreensaver and disabled suspend from there, but it still happens on occasion. Has anyone knows of a better solution?
<craysiii> darkxst https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/9da8db18241cdab8773512d0b865fa07402ef4fd i can't see it to verify, but from the short description it looks right. different than the one i had assumed earlier
<craysiii> also i've submitted more than 1 so i think it's safe to assume the last one in the list isn't it either.
<craysiii> https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2015.04&package=colord&period=day this list i mean.
<Noskcaj> charlie_uk, The next step is probably "do a thing"
<Noskcaj> Most documentation currently is in text format, see https://wiki.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/DocumentationTeam
<Noskcaj> For video guides, i assume you'd just want to take the current docs for an app, and do a how-to video for it
<Noskcaj> There also was a plan by the ubuntu-quality team to make video guides of how to test things a while back, making videos for that could be very helpful too
<charlie_uk> That seems a good place to start
<charlie_uk> I guess I can make a few videos and then get feedback
<charlie_uk> and then remake them LOL
<charlie_uk> This is my first experience of an opensource community
<charlie_uk> I guess it's all rather fluid rather than regimented
<Noskcaj> well welcome aboard then. The general concept of open-source is it's a do-ocracy, so if you're willing to do the work, most things are ok to happen
<charlie_uk> Sounds good.
<charlie_uk> I'll 'do a thing' and see if it sticks
#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-10
<darkxst> craysiii, that looks like a buffer overlow
<darkxst> #5  0x00007fba7311c86e in strcpy (__src=0x7fff712e3690 "Canon-MP600R-Printer", __dest=0x7fff712e3290 "Canon-MP600R-PriltiPASS 2.1") at /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/string3.h:104
<darkxst> No locals.
<darkxst> #6  determine_scanner_serial (serial=0x7fff712e3290 "Canon-MP600R-PriltiPASS 2.1", mac_address=0x7fba7332e5a9 <device+41> "000085cdedb5", hostname=0x7fff712e2a10 "Canon-MP600R-Printer.home") at pixma_bjnp.c:373
<darkxst>         dot = <optimized out>
<darkxst>         copy = "Canon-MP600R-Printer\000home\000N;CMD:MultiPASS 2.1;MDL:MP600R;CLS:IMAGE;DES:CANON MP600R;\000\177\000\000)6\022s\272\177\000\000\b>.q\377\177\000\000.\a\310}\272\177\000\000\030\067.q\377\177\000\000P8.q\377\177\000"
<darkxst> #7  add_scanner (dev_no=0x7fff712e3f58, uri=0x7fff712ec620 "bjnp://Canon-MP600R-Printer.home:8612", attach_bjnp=0x7fba7310f5f0 <attach_bjnp>, pixma_devices=0x7fba7332b980 <pixma_devices>) at pixma_bjnp.c:1682
<darkxst> craysiii, this: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/sane/sane-backends.git/commit/?id=d35d6326cb00fcbb19b41599bdff7faf5d79225e
<craysiii> wow
<craysiii> is ubuntu gnome using an older version of sane
<darkxst> craysiii, no, but there hasnt been a release of sane-backends in nearly 2 years
<darkxst> bug 1473264
<ubot5> bug 1473264 in sane-backends (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/colord/colord-sane:*** buffer overflow detected ***: /usr/lib/colord/colord-sane terminated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473264
<craysiii> hm
<darkxst> craysiii, it should be possible to cherry-pick that patch into the archives, or otherwise you could work around it by making the hostname of your printer < 16 characters
<lindol> hi all
<stiv2k> darkxst: hi
<darkxst> stiv2k, hi
<stiv2k> darkxst: another problem
<stiv2k> darkxst: gst-plugins-base
<stiv2k> failed build..
<darkxst> logs?
<stiv2k> one sec
<stiv2k> darkxst: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11858700/
<stiv2k> make[5]: *** No rule to make target 'gstrtsp-marshal.list', needed by 'gstrtsp-marshal.h'.  Stop.
<darkxst> hmm that file comes from the git repo, shouldnt need building
<darkxst> is it missing?
<stiv2k> i don't know
<stiv2k> i didnt touch it
#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-11
<stiv2k> can i make it re-download from the git repo? maybe when it downloaded, it was broken but a commit has been fixed
<darkxst> jhbuild pulls any new commits everytime you build
<darkxst> did gstrtsp-marshal.c and .h get built?
<darkxst> (look in
<darkxst> make[5]: Entering directory '/home/test/jhbuild/checkout/gst-plugins-base/gst-libs/gst/rtsp)
<darkxst> stiv2k, which moduleset are you building? 3.16 or 3.18?
<craysiii> Now I have another issue. I was using 1 monitor, we'll call her LG. LG has always been monitor 1. I connected a 2nd monitor, called HP. For some reason, even though in the display options LG is denoted as the primary and HP the secondary, the actual numbers of the monitors is reversed (HP being 1, LG being 2) even though LG has always been plugged in and HP is a day old. Normally, I wouldn't let something so petty bother me.
<craysiii>  However, when i turn off the computer and turn it back on, the log on screen appears on HP, even though it should appear on LG. waddaheck
<craysiii> also, when logged in, LG is the one that has the task bar etc.
<darkxst> craysiii, not sure its possible to override the monitor numbers, short of swapping the physical connects (assuming this is a desktop system)
<darkxst> also gdm (login screen) does not support custom monitor configs, so it will always display on monitor 1
<craysiii> lg is connected through hdmi and hp is connected through dvi. not possible to switch them. wish there was a way to reassign, oh well
<SonikkuAmerica> craysiii: You could buy a multi-converter box for fairly cheap
<craysiii> the hp only has dvi and vga, i have a dvi to hdmi cable that works for the hp, and i could buy a display port cable for the lg, but im afraid the hdmi is going to come up as a lower number than the display port
<darkxst> craysiii, matbe possible with a custom xorg.conf
<craysiii> ill check it out
<joel__> yo
<Joel___> Does anyone else feel like the ubuntu-gnome website needs an update?
<Guest49133> .
<jMcA> .
<jMcA> Does anyone else feel like the ubuntu-gnome website needs an update?
<darkxst> jMcA, artwork team are working on it
<blurkis> hello. Some one else that have problems with the panel on the left that shows when pressing the windows-logo? That is, some times some launchers disapear..?
#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-12
<LinDol> hi all :)
<LinDol> good morning :)
<craysiii> hi :)
<LinDol> craysiii, Thank you :)
<LinDol> haha Today, Korea is rainy :)
<craysiii> anhaseyo
<craysiii> its sunny here in california
<LinDol> oh..!! did you know Korean language? :)
<craysiii> no lol i have korean friend but thats about all i know
<LinDol> Wow :)
<LinDol> I know, When i went to California 2 years ago,
<LinDol> There has good weather :)
<LinDol> But I think pretty hot :)
<LinDol> Wow, nice to meet you :) haha
<craysiii> 22C right now, nice to meet you too
<LinDol> :-)
#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-11
<Spider_x> Hey any irssi user who can tell me how I can achieve having all my joined channels in the bottom, like 1 (Status) 2(#Ubuntu) 3(Linux) and so on, I am already using adv_windowlist, but it displays the channels in a seperate window and I would like it to be in the status bar.
<ceed^> Anyone got the System Monitor extension to work with Gnome 3.20 on UbuntuGNOME 16.04? Won't even install here.
<jbicha> ceed^: which extension?
<ceed^> jbicha, This one: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1064/system-monitor/
#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-12
<pchoo> Hello everyone, I've got a new laptop with a GeForce GT 940M in it.  I get a load of issues (as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1559576) - has anyone been able to reliably solve the instabilities?
<ubot5> Launchpad bug 1559576 in gdm3 (Ubuntu Xenial) "Ubuntu GNOME boots to black screen when using proprietary Nvidia drivers on a laptop with Optimus" [Critical,Triaged]
#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-13
<MrJaguar> hi
<MrJaguar> i am new in ubuntu-gnome and a i have a doubt
<MrJaguar> i was searching about the extensions and the videos i watch they said that the deafault extensions that are installed don't receive the updates in the same time of the extensions in the page and they recomendo to uninstall the default and install the extensions of the page
<MrJaguar> is that necessary?
<ricotz> jbicha, hi, is gnome-maps completely relying on libchamplain if so falling back on a working way by patching that could be enough
<jbicha> ricotz: patching it to do what?
<ricotz> to a working mapsource
<jbicha> I think the problem is finding a map server that's willing to take all our traffic without payment
<ricotz> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768392
<ubot5> Gnome bug 768392 in map-sources "Remove mapquest map source" [Normal,Reopened]
#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-14
<alias_neo> Is it possible to stop my screen blanking when I lock it? I have a serious problem in that when I lock my computer, the screens blank, and as soon as my HDMI monitor goes into standby, the computer wakes back up and switching the monitor back on, this then loops until I come back, and once I unlock gnome-shell has become totally unresponsive until I ALT+F then r to restart it
<alias_neo> it goes like this; Lock computer, all screens blank, hdmi monitor goes to sleep after ~5 seconds, this causes the screens to wake up, wakes the monitor again, showing lock screen, ~X seconds later sleeps again, minitor goes to sleep, computer wakes, lock screen again ... rinse and repeat
<alias_neo> I@m quite happy for the screens never to sleep/blank if that's the only way to fix it
<muelli> could anybody with patching power apply the commit mentioned in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767780 to the current staging builds..? It's quite annoying to not be able to send emails...
<ubot5> Gnome bug 767780 in Mailer "The "References" header folded twice" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
<muelli> hm jbicha is not around :(
<ricotz> muelli, pusing e-d-s 3.20.4
<ricotz> *pushing
<muelli> ricotz: \o/
#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-15
<drpantos> this is a really stupid question. I've sshed into my machine and I need to mount a couple of disks. I would usually do this using gnome-disks when I'm on the machine locally but I don't know how to run it with the correct permission when I'm remote. Anyone now how?
<drpantos> I cannot `sudo gnome-disks` because it then mounts them for root not my user
<pchoo> Hi all, I've had my laptop running since this morning, and I'm starting to get little bits of lag in the UI.  I've noticed in my system gnome-settings-daemon has crept up to 16.4% memory usage (I've got 16GB RAM), this means it's using over 2.5GB.  Surely this can't be right?! Save rebooting my machine, what can I do to alleviate this?  I've also seen
<pchoo> gnome-shell start using more and more RAM at times.  Thanks
#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-17
<LinDol> hi all
#ubuntu-gnome 2017-07-10
<loadedanvils> I had to upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10
<loadedanvils> and my graphical settings were all screwed up
<loadedanvils> now I'm trying to upgrade to 17.04 to see if it's a little bit better
<loadedanvils> any advice on repairing the theme to something usable
<loadedanvils> if anyone is still using 16.04 can you tell me what desktop font your system is using?
<loadedanvils> latest update to 16.10 and 17.04 completely fucked my shit up
<belak> I feel like I'm running into the opposite issue of most people... I'm having an issue where my shell inside gnome-terminal remembers which dir I'm in when I open a new tab - I don't want that... I'd like it to always start in the home dir. Is there any way to do this?
<dsynapse> hi
<dsynapse> I have a laptop with a hidpi screen (4k) but if I connect it to a 2k external or 1k external monitor, everything is WAY oversized when going to the smaller monitor.  The "fix" I have right now is that I leave hidpi scaling to 1 which is small on the laptop, but normal on the connected monitors...I was curious if there's a better way of doing this?
#ubuntu-gnome 2017-07-11
<Cobrax> Hi
<Cobrax> In my calendar, the name of the month is written in the local language
<Cobrax> I want it to be in English, how can I change it?
<Cobrax> Anything?
<SergioEDuran1> Hello
<SergioEDuran1> friends do you know if the Unity patches for Empathy, GNOME Contacts,, gnome-screenshoter and Totem (wich are really anoying for me) will go out from 17.10? http://i.imgur.com/OPgS2dC.png
#ubuntu-gnome 2017-07-14
<cores> i can't seem to switch to virtual consoles. i'm in an X session now and when i hit alt-Fx nothing changes except i can't do anything in X until i switch back to whatever X uses for console, something like alt-F1 or alt-F7
<cores> have these been taken out of the default distro conf or is something not working right on this particular laptop?
<jbicha> cores: that's a bug, I've seen that sometimes
<cores> jbicha: are there any fixes to try?
<cores> i see that my kernel command line has "vt.handoff=7"
<jbicha> I guess you could start by filing the bug :)
<cores> haha
<cores> and i meant ctrl-alt-Fx, not just alt-Fx, just in case
#ubuntu-gnome 2017-07-16
<cores> i can type in the virtual console, i just can't see it, i still see whatever was last on the X screen when i switch to virtual consoles
<cores> but i am able to log in, so it is accepting keyboard input
<cores> https://askubuntu.com/questions/911560/enable-ctrlaltf1-virtual-consoles-in-ubuntu-gnome