#ubports 2018-03-05
<ubptgbot> Wuffz was added by: Wuffz
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @Wuffz, Hi @Wuffz.  Welcome to the UBports community!  Here is a link to get you started: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> snapping everything? that sounds like what the snapcrafters do :3
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Huh?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Only snapping is from turtles
<ubptgbot> <devsigma_bot> Hey
<ubptgbot> <devsigma_bot> I llike snap
<ubptgbot> <devsigma_bot> [Edit] I like snap
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> (Sticker, 512x450) https://irc.ubports.com/JJM00xY5.webp
<ubptgbot> <devsigma_bot> I use snaps ever it's possible
<ubptgbot> <samzn> @JoshuaAshton oh no
<ubptgbot> <JoshuaAshton> Hi Sam
<ubptgbot> <JoshuaAshton> Was just gonna tag you
<ubptgbot> <JoshuaAshton> :p
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> what
<ubptgbot> <JoshuaAshton> I know Sam
<ubptgbot> btskyy was added by: btskyy
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Hey Ben! Check out our welcome page and very sure to join our Welcome & Install channel if you're interested in installing Ubuntu Touch! You literally caught me just as I was going to bed so I won't be able to answer any questions until tomorrow, though I'm sure someone else can once people start waking up in a few hours. Go
<ubptgbot> od night, good morning, or good afternoon wherever you are! Good night for me!
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Here is our welcome page: https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <StarkBjorn> @Stereofont, PL +1
<ubptgbot> atemps was added by: atemps
<ubptgbot> <Schyken> @atemps, Welcome!
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @atemps, Artem, here is an intro to UBports https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> We also have language groups, if that is relevant to you?
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @UniversalSuperBox, it's a group that make snaps afaik
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> they call themselves the âï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½s"
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Probably the solution now for a business to use a UBports phone and to meet GDPR requirements is to have the client info in a server (GDPR complaince).
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> OpenVPN, web brower (https), ssh, etc to access the data in the server. A script deleting the cache would be nice.
<ubptgbot> Marcin FlotyÅski was added by: Marcin FlotyÅski
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @Marcin FlotyÅski, Hi Marcin, you may want start here: https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/ITnB7tS8.webp
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> wasn't there a an app or scope for quick commands?
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @advocatux, wasn't there a an app or scope for quick commands?
<ubptgbot> <DanChapman> https://open-store.io/app/scriptor.newparadigmsoftware ?
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> thank you captain ð
<ubptgbot> <mtarabrikov> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/3SW4blAZ.webp
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @DanChapman, trying to install busybox as instructed, but both the Download Binary button and the Download button don't seem to do anything?
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @YougoChats, Dan 'the Captain' Chapman... Not bad.
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> capt'n chapm'n
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/l0Kok85R.mp4
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @YougoChats, Nice nice nice! Who are you and where did you study! Put Hugo on my approved list
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/WBfohaT0.mp4
<ubptgbot> <DanChapman> @YougoChats, ð
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> I just installed LibreOffice with Libertine but it won't open. Am I skipping a step somewhere?
<ubptgbot> Marcel was added by: Marcel
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Welcome Marcel! Be sure to check out our Telegram welcome page linked below and join our Welcome & Install channel!
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @AmolithSeregion, I've install that xbill, LibreOffice, and VLC. None of them open and run; I get the splash screen and then it goes back to the scope.
<ubptgbot> <TronFortyTwo> @AmolithSeregion, on the N5 Liberite doesn't work. How are you trying to open it?
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @TronFortyTwo, That was the whole reason I wanted UT. Damn it. I'm trying to open it with the Libertine scope.
<ubptgbot> <TronFortyTwo> @AmolithSeregion, So are you on the N5?
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @TronFortyTwo, Yes I am
<ubptgbot> <TronFortyTwo> @AmolithSeregion, Then you want just to wait fot Xenialð
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @TronFortyTwo, Any idea when it will be stable ENOUGH for daily use? Also, how would I run `apt autoremove` to remove the deps of LibreOffice and VLC?
<ubptgbot> <TronFortyTwo> Actually I heard that if you don't use Libertine but another chroot container it will work
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @TronFortyTwo, I don't even know what chroot really is lol. Could you point to something that I can read to figure it out and see what's available?
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> is there a bq e5 specific group?
<ubptgbot> <TronFortyTwo> @AmolithSeregion, I don't know. It's just something I heard idk where. Someone else may know
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @YougoChats, Chapman was faster answering you the other question ð â¦ About bq e5, there is not a specific group but maybe we can help you here or in the forum
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> well, not me but @Popesz.
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> his e5 has battery problems
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> htop shows sull swap (and 2 or 3 cpu ?!)
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> [Edit] htop shows full swap (and 2 or 3 cpu ?!)
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> i dont have an e5 so i don't know what's normal for it
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Can you link to the place where he's talking about that?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Oh I see, it's in the UB Welcome & Install
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> That's a good place for that
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @AmolithSeregion, Well, if you want to just get rid of libertine, you can probably just destroy the container
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> there is some weird issue that causes xmir to crash on the n5
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't know what exactly though
<ubptgbot> <Dzusanka> (Photo, 540x731) https://irc.ubports.com/rtx0PM20.png
<ubptgbot> <Dzusanka> sorry, mistake
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, I hadn't thought of that. Just to be sure, destroying the container will remove all of the dependencies and installed applications within that container?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> It will destroy the container yes
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> `libertine-container-manager destroy -i container_name`
<ubptgbot> ioannesandreas was added by: ioannesandreas
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it will cease to be a container
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> an ex-container
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it won't vroom even if you put four million volts through it
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, Lol
<ubptgbot> eddysm10 was added by: eddysm10
<ubptgbot> <eddysm10> hi how can i port this operating system to my device, mediatek 6582 with 1 gb of ram i currently manage to port android nougat and it works but i want ubuntu
<ubptgbot> <NotKit> @eddysm10 it's possible, but not going to be an easy ride
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Does anyone else use Seabass?
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Marcin FlotyÅski, Marcin, may I ask what is your first language?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @AmolithSeregion, The fish? They are tasty.
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Not the world's best known browser
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @AmolithSeregion, no. but I use this regularly: â¦ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaBus
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> @wayneoutthere, haha
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> nice, nice.  Another canadian
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> have you ridden El Bus Du Sea?
<ubptgbot> <TronFortyTwo> @AmolithSeregion, I tried
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee do you know why Android properties were used to enable things like SSH?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> sees "copyright 2013 Canonical"
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> ohhhhh
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> lol
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @AmolithSeregion, I use it for texts on my Nexus 5 when I'm not on desktop mode,why?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Context: It probably came from Ubuntu for Android
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, i don't
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> We were able to reason out that it's probably a leftover from Ubuntu for Android that was carried around for a long time
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> It makes sense in the context of "The only persistent storage we can rely on is in Android properties"
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> well maybe to keep things consistent too, because we have to use that for some android things, no?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> mtp and usb, yes
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> er
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> mtp, adb, and some other things.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> right
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> And it can enable ssh without `sudo`. Which really doesn't matter to us at this moment.
<ubptgbot> <eddysm10> @NotKit, please tell me how
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @eddysm10, i recommend you join @halium
<ubptgbot> <eddysm10> thanks
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @eddysm10, To try to understand the porting process you should start reading https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/ and this https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html As you can see is a hard process
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Do it before joining @halium people there are pretty busy
<ubptgbot> <NotKit> were there any official device based on 6582?
<ubptgbot> <eddysm10> @advocatux, okok I'm gona read
<ubptgbot> <NotKit> or I confuse with 6580
<ubptgbot> <NotKit> eddysm10, did you port Nougat yourself or installed existing ROM?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @NotKit, Hmm I think bq e4.5 is that
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i think a lot of phones are
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @YougoChats, Full swap is normal on the E5 and E4.5 - they have only 1 Gig and UT is not optimized for that RAM size
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> You will also face app unloading quite often, even unity unloading or rebooting oocurs ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> and there's very little swap anyway, no?
<ubptgbot> <NotKit> so honestly the problem is that mt6582 devices would require too much dev effort for little benefit
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, Yes its a "pseudo swap" ð
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> that and the closed sources, I believe
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> closed things is a problem with any android device, really
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> while it's good to point out reality, let's not discourage people from porting if it's possible. some regions of the world don't necessarily have access to high end phones that are easier to port to, or for any reasonable cost even if they can get one
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Of course, but it's best to be realistic about how the porting process works
<ubptgbot> Daniel was added by: Daniel
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> can be realistic without being discouraging though, is what i was saying.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ie, instead of "it's not worth the effort" and such, say "it's going to be very difficult due to lack of kernel sources, vendor tree, etcâ¦ and we will try to help you if we can"
<ubptgbot> <eddysm10> @NotKit, myself using guide of mtkroms.com
<ubptgbot> <NotKit> from source code?
<ubptgbot> <NotKit> or by swapping files?
<ubptgbot> Ammar was added by: Ammar
<ubptgbot> <Ammar> Ubuntu touch for kenzo?
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @Daniel, Hello Daniel (and also Good day @eddysm10, Gennadii, @ioannesandreas, Ammar ! ) !  Welcome to the UBports community.  Here is a nice link to help you get started: https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @dohbee, I agree with you but just for the record, I've never said something like "it's not worth the effort"
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @advocatux, i didn't say you did
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you weren't the only person who said something at that time ;)
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> ð
<ubptgbot> <Daniel> thank you wayne!
<ubptgbot> Squish :3 was added by: Squish :3
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Hello? Good night to most of you. Can anyone help me? it's about the installation process
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> sorry to bother but i have searched everywhere and i cant find an answer
<ubptgbot> <gerboland> @Squish :3, Why donât you write what the problem is. Then if someone can help, they will
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Oh alright. So i am trying to update from the Canonical image to UBPorts one. I installed all drivers including adb and the UBportsInstaller doesnt recognize the phone nor does the phone communicate through adb even though developer mode is enabled. What do? Switched usb ports,cables, reinstalled multiple versions of UBPortsInstal
<ubptgbot> ler,reinstalled drivers...
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> have you tried the install and welcome room?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> I have no idea on how to get there
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> im using telegram on the desktop
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> have you gone to the welcome page link?
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> start here: https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Please tell me â¦ Ubuntu touch can run qt applications, install deb packages?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @wayneoutthere thank you
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @Squish :3, np!  pasting links is a skill I'm good at
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @chronosmsx, the UI is based on qt. it is not designed around installing debs. you can use libertine to run traditional PC apps via debs
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @wayneoutthere ð Its just im completely lost as i have installed UBPort's version of Ubuntu Touch previously and now i cant for some god damned reason
<ubptgbot> <NotKit> @eddysm10, anyway, Halium won't help you much for this device I fear. What you could try in theory is porting changes (driver patches, apparmor backports and defconfig) from BQ E5/E4.5 Ubuntu Touch kernel source code onto your device one, then trying to run with system.img from their Ubuntu Touch firmware.
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @Squish :3, that... is interesting.  i would recommend you hang out in the install room for help.  these guys are so nice and patient...
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @wayneoutthere Already did that. At the end i was reccomended a virtual box installation. Wich is even more complicated.
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> You're on windows, right?
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> Squish :3
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @seshpenguin Yes
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> Does the phone show up on Device Manager?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Yes
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Is correctly identified as Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> hmm
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> I'm not sure what's wrong,since i have done this before.
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> Yea I remember that
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Did all i did before on windows10, but now on 7.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> And the Installer prompts the insertion of usb cable
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> And you know how the phone is supposed to notify you if you wanna communicate with the pc through adb?
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> Have you tried manually selecting the device in the installer, than booting into fastboot mode
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @seshpenguin Yes. Still not recognized by the Installer.
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> does it show up in device manager in fastboot mode?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Yes.
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> Huh
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Serial mode number too.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> if i do adb devices
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> it starts daemon
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> on port whatever
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> what if you doo fastboot devices
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> and it identifies my phone as connected through adb
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> [Edit] what if you do fastboot devices
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> lemme check
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Nothing appears for some reason. But i'm sure it works because i previously used adb reboot fastboot command (or something along those lines) and it booted itself to fastboot mode.
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> adb reboot bootloader
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Exactly.
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> then the phone should show up when you run fastboot devices
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> since it doesn't I guess somethings wrong with fastboot
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> May I chime in?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @YougoChats Of course Hugo.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Any help is wonderful..
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Adb reboot bootloader works because that's still adb
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Have you tested the output of fastboot devices while be device is in fastboot mode?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> No. I don't know how to do that
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> You have fastboot installed?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> yes
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> At least i presume so. i got Minimal ADB and Fastboot
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> OK. Put the phone in fastboot mode by using the button combinations, or by typing adb reboot bootloader
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> alright
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Then when the phone is ready type fastboot devices
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> will do as soon as the phone boots up
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> here we go
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> fastboot mode
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> alright i typed the second command
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> and its listed
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/pTEtMSef.png
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> installer should work now?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> i can give it a try
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> i got the lastest
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> 0.1.11
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Please try indeed. Just leave the phone as it is now
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> So do i select "Select device manually"?
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> Yep
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Alright. Now i got the change options and install option. I suppose im just gunning it for the install
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> I know the changes option is just to change version and wipe or not. So do i just...install? Didn't work last time but here we go
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> Yea, give it a shot
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Says please reboot to bootloader
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> A much familiar screen by now.
<ubptgbot> <seshpenguin> oh
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> The thing is.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> I flashed canonicals official image for the E4.5 with SPFlashTools
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Could you run the insstaller as administrator?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> just fine.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> sure
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Same thing happens
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> I'm sorry to be troubling you. It's just i like the system and wanna use it.
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Very odd indeed. Usually it comes down to a permissions problem, but even tbough everything is in place something gets stuck...
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Well the phone doesnt even ask me if i want it to communicate with the pc via adb as it usually does with the installer.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Developer mode enabled and nothing happens.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Wich is weird as all hell.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Ah
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Lemme add this
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> When i purposely used hardware keys to go into fastboot mode i plugged in the phone and windows said
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> "Adb something interface driver installed"
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> I cannot recall the exact word.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> (s)
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> I think you could try removing all drivers for this phone, and reconnect the phone and have tbe pc's reinstall drivers, in both normal boot and fastboot mode
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Oh boy
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> So do i just go into the device manager
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> are you ok with destroying all data on the phone?
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Yeah sucks I know
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @dohbee What data? SD Card Data?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @YougoChats Oh boy is this an issue. Something so simple
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> no, the app data or such that's stored on internal storage on the phone
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you can remove the sd card i presume
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @dohbee Theres none. The phone is running last canonical ota release. Clean as a whisle.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @dohbee And yes i can.
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> You think the wipe option should matter?ð¤
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ok, so you haven't used the phone at all or installed any apps you want to preserve?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @dohbee Nope. Only thing i did was initial config and wifi setup. And enable developer mode.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ok
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @YougoChats, Installing from fastboot wipes the devices
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @dohbee Do keep in mind that i am in windows 7.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ok i don't know why it's not working for you
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @dohbee I have been reading forums for the past 2 hours.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> worst case, instead of virtual box, download ubuntu 16.04 ISO, make a bootable USB with it, and boot to "Try Ubuntu" and install from there
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah, i don't know why it would not be working on windows.
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Was going to be my next suggestion
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @dohbee And does that work on the live installation ambient?
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> I'm guessing yes.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yes, you don't need to install ubuntu. you can just install the tools in the live session, and go from there
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @dohbee By tools you mean just the UBPorts Installer? Or something more?
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Hm
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i mean whatever works
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Oneplus One is supported?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but i have to go now.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @chronosmsx, yes it is a core device, iirc
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Alright. Thank you. I will try and report back.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Thank you guys.
<ubptgbot> <Squish :3> wish me luck
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ssAf0iun.png
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @chronosmsx, 16.04 devel is quite incomplete and unstable though. You might want to start with 15.04 stable
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Already understood))
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Its not booting
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Put the phone in fastboot mode manually and try again
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Hm
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Installed 15.04 stable
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Boot screen of oneplus
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Few seconds
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> 30 at average
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Then reboot
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/kJH0D0sg.png
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> I just downloaded a .ovpn file so I can use a VPN for my phone. How do I get that into the VPN settings on UT?
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> FYI everyone, this is what the Install room guys save you from in the supergroup *10 times per day*.  ;)
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> take some time to high five your UBFR guys ;)
#ubports 2018-03-06
<ubptgbot> SanSplinter was added by: SanSplinter
<ubptgbot> <SanSplinter> Ubuntu 16.04 up until today I have had extremely good luck with it all working perfectly. Then my mouse stopped showing up after login, the guest user has one though. Iâm still able to use keyboard commands but it is nice to be able to use track pad any ideas?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Hi @SanSplinter, this is not an Ubuntu support group. You may have better luck using this information: https://www.ubuntu.com/support/community-support
<ubptgbot> <SanSplinter> Thanks
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Anyone have any ideas about using the .ovpn with the VPN settings in UT?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Should be able to import it in settings, iirc
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, There's not a way to import the entire file in the setting. You can import certificates, keys, and ciphers but not the entire file.
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, Would that be something I could do in the terminal and it show up under the network quick setting?
<ubptgbot> <ioannesandreas> @wayneoutthere, Thanks. ðð
<ubptgbot> <Yumeng Ley> este es mejor
<ubptgbot> <Yumeng Ley> https://www.lightinthebox.com/es/xiaomi-redmi-5-plus-5-99-smartphone-4g-3gb-32gb-12-mp-octa-core-4000mah_p6430171.html?category_id=206&prm=1.4.1.1
<ubptgbot> <Yumeng Ley> este es lo mejor de xiaomi en relaciÃ³n calidad precio
<ubptgbot> <Yumeng Ley> https://www.lightinthebox.com/es/xiaomi-mi-a1-5-5-pulgada-smartphone-4g-64mb-4gb-12-mp-octa-core-3080mah_p6353656.html?category_id=206&prm=1.4.1.1
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> No support for ubports yet. You are welcome to port
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> You may also be ish yo visit @ubports_es
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> [Edit] You may also wish to visit @ubports_es
<ubptgbot> sfsascha was added by: sfsascha
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Please tell me
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> I've installed ut 15.04 stable
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Via multirom
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> But where I boot my phone from UT I giving a reboot
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> After few seconds
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> bacon device
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> MultiROM isn't officially supported although I don't have a problem with my Nexus 5
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> what is bacon? Nexus 5x?
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> @Javacookies, OnePlus One
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> @Javacookies, U use nexus 5 ?
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> I have some doubt's can I ask here or pm ð¤
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> yes, I use Nexus 5
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @Lyokanthrope, oh I see, thanks â¦ I'm still confused with these device nicknames :D
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> Nexus 5x is bullhead, 5 is hammerhead
<ubptgbot> <Vshogun7> Anyone have an old sharp about with the OS wiped? Also I'm thinking of opening up my old kawami freetel and putting a new back on if, changing the sync port, and battery.
<ubptgbot> li zhihao was added by: li zhihao
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @li zhihao, Hi li zhihao â¦ Welcome! You may start here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome Ask, chat, explore!
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> i bought a second-hand nexus 5 today
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> good choice, welcome soon on board, for installations follow the tutorial in case fo daubts go to install room you will find the link in the welcome page ð
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> [Edit] good choice, welcome soon on board, for installations follow the tutorial in case of daubts go to install room you will find the link in the welcome page ð
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> Thank you
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> i will try it later
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/woEomwrU.webp
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> i am now having My English class
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @li zhihao, aside from the battery and video (play/record), it's definitely a great experience ;) â¦ if you want to experience the fullpotential
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> of you Nexus 5, I suggest you buy a slimport as well :)
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> and bluetooth KB/mouse if you can :P
<ubptgbot> <Mark> What keyboard/mouse is recommended for Nexus 5? (UK shop purchase)
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> yeah ,i have a slimport
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> i use oneplus 3t as My daily phone
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @Stereofont, I've come across a couple of russian people whom were asking the same  question. Does anyone have an idea if we already have or if someone wants to start a russian group?
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> The same goes for any language, apart from english
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> But the general question remains; Are we ready for this?
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> i am a Chineseð
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> as a community
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @li zhihao, hmm, what do you think of the idea of having a chinese group?
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> i try to understand English
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> Chinese can't use telegram
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> Touche!
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> What do chinese users use as a communication platform?
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> wechat And qq
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> they're widely use in China
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> Line?
<ubptgbot> <M_D_J> @AmolithSeregion, I would also like to know the answer to this.
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/JYlj0mYQ.png
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/XDEIGqJ0.png
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Mohannes, We have a Russia group already ð
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @li zhihao, uMatriks could be used?
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @li zhihao, We expect a community port of that for Ubuntu Touch soon â¢
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/RGuwPzYR.mp4
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @Mohannes, if the group is managed by a trusted mod who knows the language...
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> some groups have shown to have... temperament
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> English + Native languages seems to be a perfect combo
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/3aSmrFaY.mp4
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> A liason between "us" and "them" #nopolitics #saynotoracism #metoo #u2
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @YougoChats, Having temprament is fine. As long as it is canalized into the right projects ;)
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> or canalized at any capacity at all
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> i haven't heard this app
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> It doesn't work properly on MultiROM
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> umatriks
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @li zhihao, Yes
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> What's uMatriks
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> uMatriks is a Matrix protocol client for Ubuntu Touch.
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @li zhihao, uMatriks is distributed (P2P) and encrypted
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> We are also trying to develop Serval Mesh for UT
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @Stereofont, Its no p2p
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @PhoenixLandPirate, Maybe not exactly but it is mesh, no?
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> I understood it was distributed, not centralised like Skype is now
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> You can make your own server or sign up to one of several
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @Stereofont, Its decentralized, but being decentralized doesn't mean its p2p
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Well the several are not Microsoft ð
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> If you want p2p use something like tox
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @PhoenixLandPirate, Something more that I must study, sometime â¦
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Mohannes, Chaotic political environments are bound to have a reflection in here. We have to defuse that as much as possible but we cannot  - should not - build a wall against it
<ubptgbot> <Mark> @Phoenix Land Pirate: "If you want p2p use something like tox" â¦ I'd love for there to be a qtox apples fir Touch
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @Mark, The problem with something like that is battery drain
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Mark, I understood from an earlier discussion that fox had very few developers and that not much is happening with it now
<ubptgbot> <Mark> So I have been led to understand
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Mark, [Edit] I understood from an earlier discussion that tox had very few developers and that not much is happening with it now
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @Stereofont, Idk I haven't used it for about a year and a half
<ubptgbot> <Mark> I think it is still under development
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> We have Signal. Other secure messengers are expected in UT soon
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> there's an app for that, but that's centralized
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Do I remember a model from Huawei is in the pipeline for devices to port to?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> *that a
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> There is a Xiaomi
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @Stereofont, great answer....building a wall....
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Hmm. Aquaris U plus interesting if that happens â¦
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/dKkl4MoY.mp4
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/gg0jcTbj.mp4
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/C3p0jfS5.mp4
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CEsvxzs2.mp4
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> wait....wut....it's @PhoenixLandPirate! back from the far lands of being off-grid!
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> Haven't seen you in ages!
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> *hides*
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/gO5lxS0e.mp4
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> Too late! The BATMAN HAS ALREADY SPOTTED YOU!
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/EdS4vZew.mp4
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0rc257Le.mp4
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> How are you?
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> I'm slipping into your DM :)
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> Mohannes is our Batman, always here even you might think he is not, like UBAM group he is also member. The only one who can deal with him it is @wayneoutthere
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/8xD5eCHa.mp4
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0WRnC4WW.mp4
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> I did not choose the BATLIFE, the BATLIFE choose me.
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (this is me, every morning, putting on the suit)
<ubptgbot> mcm71 was added by: mcm71
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @milkor73, @PhoenixLandPirate was the OG superhero of this community. In which shadow do you think I am lurking?
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> Phoenix's shadow!
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @mcm71, Hi Michele, â¦ Welcome! You may start here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome Ask, chat, explore!
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @milkor73, @wayneoutthere can't deal with me. You cannot contain greatness!
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/d3supiF1.mp4
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @milkor73, HI Michele! Welcome to our little humble abode
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/5d7ACpkM.mp4
<ubptgbot> <mcm71> ð
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> having some fun here now
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/tePAZiWq.mp4
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/pFoon3s4.mp4
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> we use stickers like this
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> (Photo, 666x514) https://irc.ubports.com/ssN9MseM.png
<ubptgbot> <Mark> Is there a community flash for the Nexus 7 (v.2)
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @Stereofont, ServalMesh does this. We have a dev group for this app now for UT
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Mark, Which device name exactly? flo/deb can be flashed to Ubuntu. grouper cannot.
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @Mohannes, I hear someone talking a lot but without any substance. Ah, yes. Batman. Where is my mosquito repellent?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> more like gif repellent
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Nq1bOJtT.mp4
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @wayneoutthere
<ubptgbot> <Mark> The 2013 model: Razor
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> I think not. There are no images built for that device name, and I think it requires a kernel change to support it.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but it shouldn't be too hard to get working, if someone wanted to maintain it
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> UT activate PC version only if i'll connect my phone to monitor?
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> [Edit] UT will activate PC version only if i'll connect my phone to monitor?
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @chronosmsx, if you install Ubuntu Touch Tweak Tool, you can switch to desktop mode manually
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> but the screen will be on your phone and tiny
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> 5.5 inches with 1920:1080 will not correct the situation?
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> if your phone's display is big enough, a Desktop mode toggle will appear system indicator
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> or if you change your phone's UI scaling (grid unit), this toggle will appear if it's small enough
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/aEIo8z0Q.png
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/q04DzJcB.png
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/35lp0Imx.png
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> this is on a FP2
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> and telegram uploaded the pictures in the wrong order
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Can i use apt functions?
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> @Stereofont, Wew
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> what is wew? did you want to sey When?
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> sey)))
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @chronosmsx, you'd need to make the file system writable first, but changes to the system can break your install at the next update
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> My system is writable at default
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> I've installed UT in a MultiROM box
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> i don't know if that makes the system partition of UT itself writable
<ubptgbot> <Mark> :) thank you
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @chronosmsx, I don't think the system is writable by default even if installed via MultiROM
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> you can use UT Tweak tool as well to make your system image writable
<ubptgbot> <dirmanhero> Guys, do you know of any MDM (mobile device management) solutions for ubuntu touch? Or at least is there any way of remote wiping/tracking of devices? I'll do a fresh install in a few days on a hammerhead and that's why I'm not familiar with the included packages yet
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> No, the rootfs is mounted readonly still
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> installing in rootfs with apt is not really supportable either
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @dirmanhero, There is no remote management stuff yet, no
<ubptgbot> <dirmanhero> Aye, thanks a lotðª
<ubptgbot> <nfsprodriver> I love the dutch language ð
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> Het is ook een geweldige taal, die een beetje lijkt op het Duits.
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> Aan de andere kant, de grammatica is ontzettend onregelmatig. Wat het een ontzettend moeilijke taal om te leren maakt.
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> Bjarne ;)
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> we can have incredible amounts of consonants in a row in one word
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> slechtstschrijvend
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> Try to say it out loud Bjarne :)
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> "Als de potvis in de pispot pist. Zit de pispot vol met potvispis."
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> #classic
<ubptgbot> <mariogrip> weird language ð looks like someone slapped the keyboard
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> Says the Norwegian
<ubptgbot> <mariogrip> haha :P
<ubptgbot> fabian was added by: fabian
<ubptgbot> <fabian> hey guys..i tried to install ubuntu touch on oneplus one bacon. i used the latest release of ubports. after some tries, it started copying the ubunt touch files to the phone. but after 10% it stopped and nothing happened..now i dont have any os on the phone. i tried it again but the ubports stops at the point where it is flushing the
<ubptgbot>  phone with the bootloader..any suggestions?
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @mariogrip, DampskipsundervannsstyrkeprÃ¸vemaskinerikonstruksjonsvanskeligheter!
<ubptgbot> <DanChapman> @Mohannes, Cat stand on the keyboard again? ð
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Hey look, something I'm interested in
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> Now that is a keyword wreck
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @UniversalSuperBox, Hurry, to the Dalton mobile!
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> And gogogo :)
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> But I think 'trusted computing' is a prerequisite of MDM
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @DanChapman, Apparently it is one of the longest norwegian words
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Otherwise someone just tosses a custom kernel on your device and everything is done.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, #MeToo
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, Yeah. Depending on how secure you need it to be, it is. But we can enable some things even without the trusted prerequisite
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Have you ever considered if Ubuntu Touch could run without phablet being a sudoer?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> That would get us at least 50% of the way there
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, It could AFAIK. But it will make debugging and such a bit of a pain in some cases. Won't be able to remount rw, for example.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Well, that's kinda the point
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> I don't think I'd make it the default mode.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> for "normal" users, there's no need for sudo. or terminal app, so go ahead and remove it from default install too? :)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but aside from that, it shouldn't be too difficult to implement a Prey client
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> remote data wipe is going to be very difficult to implement without sudo or without moving rootfs to be a read-only squashfs in system partition so that bootloader lock could theoretically work
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Rootfs on system partition is already possible
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> No need to squash it... ohhhh, you could verify it that way
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> You smart, Rodney
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> squash it means you can't remount rw at all, and you can verify it :)
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> We'd have to offer something like persistence on a live CD in that case
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> persistence of what?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Or just beef up Libertine, I suppose
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Some people like to mess with computers
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> hmm, let them build their own insecure system.img perhaps?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> hmm, fixing this openstore bug is going to be a little more work than i thought
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> OpenStore not working in 16.04?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> will have to do later since it's not super trivial as i thought
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> It needs a rebuilt
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> I think the current idea is to ship a build with a newer version number in 16.04 images so it keeps working on 15.04
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, no, the launcher icon refresh issue
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Ah.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> And now we really need to think about how we can handle ABI from 16.04 to 18.04 in advance
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> ... There are no solutions yet
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Oh good, the entirety of `/home` is persisted
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> there are no implemented solutions, anyway
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> The only thing that might be possible is this guy from Solus: https://github.com/solus-project/linux-steam-integration#linking-compatibility
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> But I don't fully understand what it does, so I'm not able to judge
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> But apparently it solves "the infamous libstdc++.so.6 vendoring which breaks open source graphics drivers on systems compiled with the new GCC C++ ABI"
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i think it does more than that
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Well yeah, but that specific thing seems relevant to our interests
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i have a solution in my head, but it requires writing a new packaging system, and building an OS distribution
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Seems a little too high-scale
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> on the order of switching to an all snaps based install
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but with the benefit of being designed around end user device needs, rather than iot sensor nets
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Which kinda solves those problems, I guess. Your C++ can be in your base snap, no?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Thinking only about the top-level applications rather than snapping everything
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> @AmolithSeregion, Getting used in 55 USD ð¤
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> Is it OK ?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you can have a 16.04 core and 18.04 core snap both installed, and then you can have a 16.04 and 18.04 content api snaps
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but getting it all working is going to be extremely painful
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Mhmm. First things that come to mind are the plugs required for us
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah, interfaces are one issue.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Hmm... wonder if I can find a document on how sqashfs persistence works
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Mkay, something called `casper-rw`
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Ah, it's a hook in initramfs
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> what do you mean?
<ubptgbot> <trainailleur> @fabian, fabian, you might try asking in the Welcome and Install group, as there is a lot of experience there with install problems: â¦ https://t.me/WelcomePlus
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> persistent storage of user data?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, squashfs is possible, but would require huge changes to system-image that I don't think anyone would take on without knowing that it's the right solution.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> hmm, would it?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i guess those same changes would be needed to put rootfs inside system.img no?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Well, system-image is built on the premise that you have a raw image file
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Nope. That's already done
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> The system partition can be an Ubuntu rootfs. That's what all the official devices do.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> You just specify `SYSPART=/dev/mmcblkwhatever` on the commandline.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but it's on the data partition now, no?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> On our ports, yes
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> But it could go to `/system`
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> We just don't
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ok
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i guess the first step down the "make the device trusted/secure" route, would be to do that?
<ubptgbot> peredelgrau was added by: peredelgrau
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Can I ask question not related to Ubuntu Touch but related to Android development?
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Actually it will be related to Ubuntu Touch too
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> I built LOS for my device. Everything was fine except RIL. RIL was not working. Then I built RR just to try. I thought RIL will be dead there too but it was working on RR. So if RR is based on LOS how is this possible?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> bugs
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @dohbee, what bugs?
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> I am sorry again if this question is offtopic but I really need answer. Because I am planning to build more ROMs including Ubuntu Touch and this thing needs to be fixed
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't know, but that seems off topic for this chat. you can maybe ask for more help in @halium
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> maybe you could also go talk to lineage devs too
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @dohbee, I did. They didn't answered
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Actually the answer I got was rude
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> hmm
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah, some of the people there can be quite rude :(
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> anyway, i suggest you join @halium then, and hopefully someone can help you (you need to get halium working on the device first anyway, to get ubuntu ported, at this point)
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Yep
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @dohbee, they will answer to questions like this?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @redshaman, halium is for the android layer stuff for enabling things like ubuntu and plasma mobile ports
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> maybe won't help you fix lineage, but if you can get halium built and it works there, i guess you will have your answer :)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, cool. i guess it probably won't be too much work after that, to enable it being a squashfs instead of an unpacked tarball
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @dohbee, thanks for your time. ^_^
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> Oneplus one is the arm or arm64?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> armhf
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, The work would be in updating irt
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, [Edit] The work would be in updating it
<ubptgbot> <chronosmsx> What gapps I need to download?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> There are no gapps
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> It's not Android
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Hmm... @dohbee, what do you see in using a squashfs over a raw image file, if the raw image is mounted read-only? Faster to verify at boot time, sure. Compressed, sure. Anything else?
<ubptgbot> <Ammar> Ubuntu touch for kenzo
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Supported devices are in the group description
<ubptgbot> <Ammar> Its not supported
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, i guess a raw image is ok if it can't be remounted rw and modified on the device. otherwise if we get to the point of enabling re-locking the bootloader after install, one could very easily hard brick some devices
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Not particularly, reflashing with a factory image should be fine since it matches the embedded OEM key
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Even with a locked bootloader, no?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, The only reason that the image is re-mountable is because we do this dance in initramfs: â¦ ```mount [image] /root -o rw â¦ mount /root -o remount,ro```
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Otherwise busybox sets up a read-only loop device and you can't remount
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, not on newer devices where unlocking is a more complicated process, where you have to enable it from the OS side first.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> so if the OS gets screwed up and the system won't boot it because it's invalid, you can't get past the bootloader, and you can't unlock it to reflash
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> (don't ask me how i know)
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Right
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Wait, no. Because the bootloader should always have its OEM key
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Which the factory image matches
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Which can be flashed from a locked or unlocked state
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't see what key it has, has to do with anything.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Well, that's how locking works. You can't flash an image unless it matches the OEM key or the current image's embedded key
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> then why couldn't i flash my pixel?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> You hit fastboot and had the Google factory image?
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> @UniversalSuperBox, Nexus supports anbox ?
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> ð¤
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> @UniversalSuperBox, [Edit] Nexus 5 supports anbox ?
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> Nexus 5
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> the flash script in the tarball just complained that the bootloader was locked
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Uchihaitachii, not yet
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @Uchihaitachii, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> (But yeah, not yet)
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, That's unfortunate.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, Yeah. Google's support is kind of crappy too
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> @dohbee, Was thinking to order one ð â¦ I mean nexus 5 (was using on bacon but sold now :( want to use on nexus 5 :)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ok, but anbox is not yet supported on nexus 5
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> Not a problem
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> so i guess you'll have to wait or get involved to help make it work faster
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Actually, in that case the checks would be pretty easy. If the bootmode is "GREEN", which should be in the cmdline, don't allow any writing
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> I will be using as secondary device
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> Will get soon
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Or YELLOW in the case of non-OEM signed images
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> at least it should be possible on a nexus 5 to unlock always, so it's a good thing to test these kinds of changes on
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> one problem, at least for the tracking feature, is GPS is kind of slow
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> pretty sure the nexus 5 was the peak of android phones
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Yeah, it's all been downhill from there
<ubptgbot> <NotKit> good MediaTek devices allow SP FlashTool writing even with locked bootloader
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> If only they had something like the CodeAurora Forum... and lots of excited developers for each device
<ubptgbot> <NotKit> or at least properly available AOSP sources... :)
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> mhmm
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't just mean in terms of development like that. more like newer phones are just bigger and generally have fewer useful features
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i hope the librem 5 isn't crap
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i guess it won't have wireless charging either though :(
<ubptgbot> <sfsascha> Needs some help installed Mac Installer flashed my device and unlocked everything, but installer doesn't move is stuck on reboot your device in bootloader, any help appreciated
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> that is frustrating.  Hope you are enduring.  There is a 'welcome and install room' we have which is probably the best place to go since volunteers help there with this kind of thing. You can find the link through the welcome page: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <sfsascha> tgx
<ubptgbot> <sfsascha> thx
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> After a reset the time has put into AM/PM aldow I had 24h mode. I'm not able to go to 24h mode.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Near the end of December, I asked how we can get Audacity running in Libertine. That fell down my list of priorities, but it's back up now. Has anyone managed this?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> what about it does not run?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it should work using the pulseaudio back-end i would think
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Will try and load an MP3 into it and then export the log.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Well this is weird for a start:
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/JNsSZCG1.png
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> weird
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I'm no aware of another instance of it running, neither is Gnome System Monitor.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> *not
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> maybe you had to kill a previous version and there's a stale lock file or pid file or something?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Possibly, how can I check that?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't know where audacity sticks such a file
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i guess look inside /home/phablet/ dot files inside the container
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> there's an ~/.audacity-data/ it seems,
<ubptgbot> Yann Roth was added by: Yann Roth
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Which directory tree is that within, again?
<ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> Dearest! I have macOS Sierra, the latest ubports-installer (0.1.11-beta), a nexus 5 that has USB Debug ON and "fastboot oem unlock"-ed. I just cannot  install Ubuntu touch on my device. Problem: it blocks here:
<ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> (Photo, 1280x999) https://irc.ubports.com/4fmH80Sd.png
<ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> What am I doing wrong?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @Yann Roth, Hey, we've got a whole room full of people who are around to help with using the installer! You can find out about it here: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> update: the device IS CONNECTED with a USB cable...
<ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> @UniversalSuperBox THANKS!
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Yann Roth, Apple installer might have issues still, not so easy to get it working cross-platform
<ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> @Flohack : ok, so the suggestion would be to use a linux machine?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Yann Roth, Yes :) If you cannot solve it for Mac, dont waste too much time. We are lacking a proper amount of apple users that can help us make it bulletproof, so yu are welcome also as a tester :) - Best for Linux is Ubuntut ofc ;)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> an ubuntu live usb will probably help a lot there
<ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> @Flohack ok, I'll go for a Ubuntu installation. Hope it works. Thanks
<ubptgbot> thomas ripper was added by: thomas ripper
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @UniversalSuperBox, I heard UBFR is hiring!  Send in your resume
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> we pay in GripsoCurrency
<ubptgbot> <AlexanderPlaza> @wayneoutthere, It's not a bug! It's a feature! ð
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> find . -type f -name "audacity" hits:
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> rootfs/usr in share/menu/audacity (a dir), bin/audacity (a file) and lib/mime/packages/audacity (another file).
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> None seem to relate to a lock file or similar.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, well you're looking for only files that are named exactly as "audacity"
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> True.
<ubptgbot> <Tedster> @TartanSpartan, `find . -type f -name "*audacity*"`
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> try "*audacity*" instead
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Ted, congrats on ninja-ing Rodney, this is rare ;)
<ubptgbot> <Tedster> I was slowww
<ubptgbot> <Tedster> lol
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> tbf i was reading openstore code
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> and now i want to fix the side-loading support in it
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Thanks both.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> This looks like it I guess?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> ./.cache/libertine-container/vivid/rootfs/var/tmp/audacity-phablet/audacity-lock-phablet
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but not right now, because it's too much work
<ubptgbot> <Tedster> @TartanSpartan, looks kinda convincing!
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> there you go
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Ok, the program starts up again.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> and i've got to go too. later
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Ok, but for now, program crashed and restarted the tablet, which I remember happening from before. Will check out teh log.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> It's a bit involved, here it is for any log gurus:
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JnNmBQK2db/
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> @Cesar_Herrera, I solved it changing to French and then to Spanish.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Trying a fix of changing the version of libmad0 to 0.15.1b7 which is under the Debian Wheezy repo.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Has anyone introduced problems to their Libertine container by upgrading from Wheezy or similar-but-not-Ubuntu-Touch-mandated-ARMHF archives?
#ubports 2018-03-07
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> And do we have a JACK implementation on UT?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, Audio is not alsa
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> ?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> The libmad0 chang didn't work btw.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> You can't use jack.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> You might need to tweak the audacity config before, to use pulse instead of alsa or jack
<ubptgbot> Zevs33 was added by: Zevs33
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I'm on it.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> I wouldn't expect mad change to fix it. Where did you get that from?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Someone was struggling with similar errors on a Chromebook.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> In audacity.cfg I hanged host=ALSA to host=PULSE, hope that does the trick.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Might get further at least
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Crash despite dong that. So now I look at preferences in Audacity.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Interface: host: ALSA
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> It should fall back though, like it does on x86
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> I'm sure it has bugs though
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> The other menu option is OSS, wasn't aware of that being anything but the precursor agency to the CIA :P
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> There was no precursor to CIA
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> It is the precursor to alsa though
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> #FactCheck
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/rC7Ry0iD.png
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> #ireaditoninternetsotrue
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Leaving aside our coverage of intelligence agencies;
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> There's no PULSE option for the hosts. Is that logical?
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @dohbee, When was the last time you saw a lie on the internet?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @PhoenixLandPirate, Your post
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, Maybe it builds different for arm
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @dohbee, :c
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> This should help possibly
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> :
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/s06bEId3.png
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> barrel.fish->shoot()
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Weird
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Did that help?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Looking for where I might find alsa-plugins.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> apt?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Not in the UT/Wheezy archives apparently.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> pulseaudio did need to be installed.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Oh
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Shouldn't
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> It's running in host
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Well, maybe didn't *need* to, but it let me.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Sure. It let you install sudo too
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> You can do anything in the chroot
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Well, `apt-cache search alsa` should help
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> alsa-plugins isn't there. Trying to add the jessie repo for it.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> So @dohbee, Halium developers said something pretty obvious now that I think about it
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> If `/data` were encrypted with something supporting block-level integrity validation, we've killed all birds with one stone.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Then, a MDM would simply need to find a way to install itself persistently and  remove `phablet` from sudoers
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Meh
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, No good to you?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Not in a good mood right now
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/9KtprCwc.png
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> What's wrong?
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> failed to set brightness
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Multiboot is not supported
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/4CTzoaZG.png
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> it can't find my device
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Is it booted with adb enabled
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> If not, select "Select device manually"
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> Okay
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> My adb tools was installed in a wrong way
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> it can't push the file to the device
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> I had that happen once with my nexus 5, but it worked on the second run
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> i will try again
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/PeB0kNZW.png
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Have you wiped your cache partition prior to starting?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Normally it isn't a problem, but now that I think about it you were running multirom
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Otherwise, you might want to try a different USB cable or port
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> i haven't wipeed My cache partition
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Try a different USB cable and port first, then you can try wiping the cache partition
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Also make sure the USB port on the Nexus is clean.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> One piece of hair can cause the whole process to fail
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/DdaV3lHD.png
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Yep, so it got the recovery on there right.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Can you get into `adb shell`?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> If so, run `df -h` on the phone and put the output on paste.ubuntu.com
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> get into adb shell on my pc?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Right
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> no devices found
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Oddly, on my Pro 5, Audacity doesn't even list OSS as an option. Anyway, bedtime
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> it's morning in my city nowð
<ubptgbot> <Uchihaitachii> @li zhihao, U should try cm 12 with kexec hardboot patch
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> what unhelpful advice
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> It may fix the problem now, but we still really don't support MultiROM.
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> i didn't use multirom
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i had lineage 14.1 (or whatever the android 7.1 equiv is), on my n5, when i flashed ubuntu on, with no problems
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> (granted, i've never used the ubports-installer thing)
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> it seems that it can't recognize my device when I'm in ubports recobery
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/94tFTq2X.png
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> @dohbee, how to flash ubunty without ubports-installer?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> in ubuntu you can use ubuntu-device-flash
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> anyway, i gotta go. good luck
<ubptgbot> <li zhihao> thanks
<ubptgbot> <Gorsh2> There was another thingy, what was it called
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> magic device tool?
<ubptgbot> <Gorsh2> THAT one
<ubptgbot> <Gorsh2> I had issues with device-flash on my N4
<ubptgbot> <Gorsh2> And MDT worked like a charmm
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Ok, I woke up and decided to give it another try. I get playback now with pulse audio, but it's as slow as mollases. Any tips here? Which of these do you think will be most relevant?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Managing_Computer_Resources_and_Drivers
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I'm not recording just now though, only trying to play a song inside it.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Ah, YES, I got it :D
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Will fine tune parameters tomorrow and see what are the bottlenecks.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Suspect the M10 chokes easier than the Pro 5 (it did for the Breakout clone) so will test if the Pro 5 can beast it on standard e.g. conventional desktop style settings.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Anyway, back to bed.
<ubptgbot> <Igor Dikiy> While building ubports-boot Iâm getting an error about there should be only one hybris-boot
<ubptgbot> abubrewok was added by: abubrewok
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Turns out the MP5 doesn't have the firepower (lol I made a funny) to tank out regular desktop levels of performance either. I hope the quality drop involved to permit normal speed playback is low enough to be at "imperceptible to the human ear" standard. I'll do some tests tonight with a song rendered on a PC and the tablet.
<antonlan> voh Heise empfohlenes Screencast-Programm: OBS-Studio: https://www.heise.de/download/product/obs-openbroadcastersoftware_
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Hello Gabriel and Andri, you can get started here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Hi antonlan, there's a German group if you want to comment about whatever in German
<antonlan> @advocatux: thank you for the hint, I'll try to integrate it into my "pidgin over irc.freenode.net" - workaround" - tool :-). Btw: How is the name of the link, #ubports-de?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> http://t.me/UBports_Deutsch
<antonlan> @advocatux: okay, thank you..
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> You're welcome
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> My advice for anyone wanting to install Audacity based on my experiments:
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> When you're doing the apt install, also include the pulseaudio package, and set the audio playback preferences to "pulse" or the program will crash on playback;
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> *devices preferences
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Under recording preferences, set the latency:audio to buffer to 200ms for good playback;
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> A delicate question: â¦ My BQ Aquaris E5 is finally broken (small crack in the display which makes the touch screen unresponsive), now I'm looking for a replacement. Unfortunately, I'm obliged to use WhatsApp (hate it!), and I enjoy using Slack (I'm ashamed!) on the mobile device. I'd love to use Ubuntu Touch again, though. â¦ Bo
<ubptgbot> ttom line: I think a dual boot solution would be great. Which device should I buy?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> If your device is underpowered compared to the M10 and Pro 5, consider nixing other effects like cursor position tracking over the waveform during playback, and left/right speaker volume levels, and mic levels too perhaps. Tone down performance according to the guide I linked.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> But I was able to achieve great performance on the M10 at least for playback with the latency tweak. Will test with recording via mic, via pulse audio source and with rendering a song later.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Additional notes: â¦ - I've seen https://forums.ubports.com/topic/309/dualboot â¦ - I've also read the FAQs, specifically the parts that mention dual-boot. Not very encouraging. ð
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] Additional notes: â¦ - I've seen https://forums.ubports.com/topic/309/dualboot â¦ - I've also read the FAQs, specifically the parts that mention dual-boot. Not very encouraging. ð https://ubports.com/community/faq
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Will also test the sweet spot for the latency adjustment  (Audacity's default setting is 100ms I believe). Can anyone deeply familiar with the program, and/or and audiophile, comment on that thought with regard to the UT hardwares?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> *an audiophile
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] Additional notes: â¦ - I've seen https://forums.ubports.com/topic/309/dualboot â¦ - I've also read the FAQs, specifically the parts that mention dual-boot. Not very encouraging. ð https://ubports.com/community/faq â¦ - More than a smart phone I'd rather prefer having a smart watch that fully replaces a phone; but the marke
<ubptgbot> t in just net there yet (I've tried a Chinese model with 3G SIM slot; not super-exciting), it would require having glasses that project an image onto your retina, or an external monitor of the size of a current smart phone.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] Additional notes: â¦ - I've seen https://forums.ubports.com/topic/309/dualboot â¦ - I've also read the FAQs, specifically the parts that mention dual-boot. Not very encouraging. ð https://ubports.com/community/faq â¦ - More than a smart phone I'd rather prefer having a smart watch that fully replaces a phone; but the marke
<ubptgbot> t is just not there yet (I've tried a Chinese model with 3G SIM slot; not super-exciting), it would require having glasses that project an image onto your retina, or an external monitor of the size of a current smart phone.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] Additional notes: â¦ - I've seen https://forums.ubports.com/topic/309/dualboot â¦ - I've also read the FAQs, specifically the parts that mention dual-boot. Not very encouraging. ð https://ubports.com/community/faq â¦ - More than a smart phone I'd rather prefer having a smart watch that fully replaces a phone; but the marke
<ubptgbot> t is just not there yet (I've tried a Chinese model with a 3G SIM slot; not super-exciting), it would require having glasses that project an image onto your retina, or an external monitor of the size of a current smart phone.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] Additional notes: â¦ - I've seen https://forums.ubports.com/topic/309/dualboot â¦ - I've also read the FAQs, specifically the parts that mention dual-boot. Not very encouraging. ð https://ubports.com/community/faq â¦ - More than a smart phone I'd rather prefer having a smart watch that fully replaces a phone; but the marke
<ubptgbot> t is just not there yet (I've tried a Chinese model with a 3G SIM slot; not super-exciting), it would require having glasses that project an image onto your retina, or an external monitor of the size of a current smart phone (both is in development but not yet sold).
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @peterbittner, if you really want dual boot then I guess Nexus 5 is a good option...you can use MultiROM but BE AWARE THAT IT ISN'T OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED SO IT MIGHT NOT WORK IN THE FUTURE.....not sure if OPO supports MultiROM as well
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> OPO = ?
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Ah, OnePlus One, okay
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] Ah, OnePlus One, okay â¦ https://ubports.com/devices/ready-to-use-devices
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> do you plan to use it as daily driver? the performance and experience is definitely a big upgrade from an E5 but the battery and video (playing/recording) isn't good as of the moment
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> I need it every day, yes. (Even though I'd prefer having a watch to look at the current time. Seriously, I hate how smart phones have transformed us into individuals that continuously stare on their device screens.)
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> You might also consider, depending on your RAM amount, saving a temporary project (just a quick recording to render or whatever) under tmp/ as Audacity projects can be a little chunky and I like the idea of avoiding writes to flash memory whenever possible.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> I'm not a gamer. That may make a difference. I really just do tethering for my notebook on the go, some rare phone calls (regular and VoIP, e.g. Viber), emails, messaging (Slack, WhatsApp, Hangouts, rarely Viber, Telegram), web browsing.
<ubptgbot> <Glatorius> @peterbittner, Ahaha, my E5 gave up a few days ago due to exactly the same reason.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Is there any description of a full convergence equipment anywhere? On the UBports website I only see the photo of it. https://ubports.com/devices/nexus5-convergence
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] Is there any description of a full convergence equipment anywhere? Which pieces (e.g. docking station) can I buy where? Or is it just regular cables, bluetooth and so? On the UBports website I only see the photo of it. https://ubports.com/devices/nexus5-convergence
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> yeah i found it strange when i saw this ð
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] Is there any description of a full convergence equipment anywhere? Which pieces (e.g. docking station) can I buy where? Or is it just regular cables, bluetooth and so? On the UBports website I only see the photo of a solution. https://ubports.com/devices/nexus5-convergence
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @Squish :3, this i mean ð
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @peterbittner, first you need is a slimport adapter...I believe only HDMI works so no VGA â¦ then for best experience, bluetooth mouse and keyboard, I guess mostly work....I bought a trifolding keyboard for portability ;)
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Will there be wireless connectivity to the monitor anytime soon? Canonical worked on that, didn't they?
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] Will there be wireless connectivity to the monitor anytime soon? Canonical worked on that, didn't they? â¦ I have a radio wireless keyboard and mouse (similar to [1]), will that work on USB over the slimport adapter? [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=radio+wireless+mouse+keyboard+rapoo&t=canonical&iax=images&ia=images&iai=htt
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<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> yeah, UT has aethercast for miracast functionality but it's a bit wonky and never worked on my Nexus 5, and I think if it works the lag would be a problem
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @peterbittner, that seems to use a USB dongle right? â¦ as far as I know, USB won't work when using slimport â¦ it might work without without slimport though
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I always have to chime in here: if you're doing aethercast for wireless convergence, use wired peripherals, not wireless ones.
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @TartanSpartan, i have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and they connect simultaneously fine to my fp2. aethercast is indeed laggy and seems to fillup memory untill unity8 gives up, but i haven't noticed bloetooth peripherals being a problem or a cause
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @TartanSpartan, [Edit] i have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and they connect simultaneously fine to my fp2. aethercast is indeed laggy and seems to fill up memory until unity8 gives up, but i haven't noticed bluetooth peripherals being a problem or a cause
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> aethercast performs the same with or without keyboard and mouse
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Well, they are. They stress the wireless traffic bus and bottleneck it so you get a laggy experience. Add browsing or YouTube vids on top of that and what can we expect? Try getting a USB OTG hub and compare with a good old fashioned cabled keyboard and mouse combo.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> If that's the case, maybe the FP2 is buggy for aethercast? I haven't experienced that on the M10 or MP5.
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @TartanSpartan, hmm ok
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Youtube on FP2 while aethercast = LOL anyway
<IvanSemkin[m]> Hello everyone. Test message.
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> and FP2 needs very little excuse to reboot as it is
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @IvanSemkin[m], works
<IvanSemkin[m]> cool, thanks
<bshah> fail
<IvanSemkin[m]> i wonder why it uses my name instead of my nick
<IvanSemkin[m]> that way i am not pingable on telegram
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Does that mean it's inclusion as a core device is not so much because of the reliability of it's hardware but more it's ecofriendly credentials?
<bshah> IvanSemkin[m]: message @appservice-irc:matrix.org to change your nick
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Note, I haven't used the phone, so that isn't a critique or an insult, just a genuine question.
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @TartanSpartan, dunno. the specs are not fantastic but fine. it's ubports optimisation or lack thereof i think
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> also FP2 on android reportedly repoots often too so it might be low level
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> [Edit] also FP2 on android reportedly reboots often too so it might be low level
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> but for me, i do like the honest phone with opoen source OS angle
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> [Edit] but for me, i do like the honest phone with open source OS angle
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Uchihaitachii, Yes
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Is there a fully supported phone with dual-SIM, apart from the FP2? (I wish the Nexus 5 had dual-SIM!)
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> What holds the Pro 5 back from being considered fully supported, besides not being a so-named core device? Also, it's a powerhouse.
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @thomas ripper, Hi Thomas. Have a look here for more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> @TartanSpartan, that probably lies in the definition of core devices
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> And for (the other) Peter, is that distinction enough to not sell him on the phone? It wasn't for me. And it's one of the first devices to get Anbox in beta, to boot.
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Igor Dikiy, Are you on the porting group?
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Igor Dikiy, [Edit] Are you in the porting group?
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @peterbittner, Both of the old BQ phones have dual SIM
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @peterbittner, the bq phones have dual sim i think?
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @YougoChats, ð
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> @TartanSpartan, (just jumped in btw., didn't read the above) I guess 'core device' is most of all connected with the promise that this device will be fully supported in the future and will receive all new features eventually. I can imagine that making that promise too often could stall the progress... idk
<ubptgbot> <Mark> How much work would it be to get github.com/nuttyartist/notes onto UT?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Mark, I don't know but have you tried https://open-store.io/app/turtl-ut.cibersheep ?
<ubptgbot> <Mark> :) I'll take a gander. Thanks
<ubptgbot> <Mark> Meh! It's online. :/
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Works offline
<ubptgbot> <Mark> yeah but I guess the data is stored on someone else's server.
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> You can set your own server if you want
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> There are other note taking apps, some more sophistaced than others, like https://open-store.io/app/uwp.costales
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> [Edit] There are other note taking apps, some more sophisticated than others, like https://open-store.io/app/uwp.costales
<ubptgbot> <Mark> :) thanks advocatux
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Or https://open-store.io/app/litewrite.lduboeuf https://open-store.io/app/crazy-mark.timsueberkrueb
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> [Edit] Or https://open-store.io/app/litewrite.lduboeuf â¦ https://open-store.io/app/crazy-mark.timsueberkrueb
<ubptgbot> <Mark> UWriter is a good compromise!
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> I'm glad to help ð
<ubptgbot> <Mark> :)
<ubptgbot> <Mark> :) I use Crazy Mark too!
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @advocatux, Woop
<ubptgbot> <Nikfrager> @peterbittner, Moto G 2 XT1068 and Meizu Pro 5 have dual-SIM too.
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/k5Bo7x5B.mp4
<ubptgbot> <dirmanhero> Is open store included in ubports? (Sorry if it sounds so noobishð) I think tomorrow I'll get that hammerhead to install it
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Yes it is. Is an app in your device
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> What UBports version are you running? It must be installed by default
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @peterbittner, you will like listening to quite a few Audiocasts :)  We also hate this and believe UT is a solution to this problem for other people who hate it.  And for those who don't hate it they can keep using their devices the same way, I guess.
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> @wayneoutthere, check PM
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @Stereofont, Well, I should have said, "phones that can still be bought" ... ð
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Sorry that I don't stop bothering. What would be the best option for a convergence phone that also has dual-SIM? - I really want both, if that's possible, but I prefer convergence, if it works really well, over dual-SIM.
<ubptgbot> Lotation was added by: Lotation
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Lotation, Hi Lotation, take a look here to get you up to speed https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @peterbittner, I guess maybe the Meizu Pro 5 if you can get one and then get Ubuntu on it (it's not trivial to install, as you have to have the Ubuntu Edition stuff on it first before you can flash ubports on)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Nexus 5 or OnePlus One might be easier to get perhaps
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> The Nexus 5 has slimport for the real convergence thing
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i guess when the HTC 10 is usable, it would be a great device, but not dual sim either
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah, Pro 5 is miracast for external display
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I can show you where to get a Pro 5, 64GB, 4GB RAM, pimped out mack-daddy edition for an amazing price, just ask if so.
<ubptgbot> Paul was added by: Paul
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah, only issue i have with the htc 10 hardware, is that it's only 32 GB internal storage
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but on the other hand, it has oh so many pixels
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> and is only just ever so slightly larger than the pixel
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> (another annoyance, smaller would be better)
<ubptgbot> Kambutschak was added by: Kambutschak
<ubptgbot> <Lotation> To mare omo
<ubptgbot> <popescu_sorin> hi @Kambutschak
<ubptgbot> <popescu_sorin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/HZGdmfWd.webp
<ubptgbot> <Kambutschak> Hello ð
<ubptgbot> <dkshfo> does anyone use firestarter firewall?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> @Lotation mono no aware :(
<ubptgbot> <Lotation> @TartanSpartan, What?
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> lol
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Hello Paul and Kamil. If you would like to know more about UBports, here is a good place to start https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Lotation, Lotation, which is your first language?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Your quote in Italian made me think of that one in Japanese.
<ubptgbot> <Lotation> @Stereofont, Italian
<ubptgbot> <iapyghia> @Stereofont, He is veneto
<ubptgbot> <iapyghia> @Stereofont, [Edit] He is venetian
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> I just learned that the Meizu PRO 5 is one of the few devices that runs Anbox. And it's capable of doing convergence in a way that is comparable with the Nexus 5. â¦ Wouldn't that qualify it to be placed on https://ubports.com/devices/ready-to-use-devices with an appealing description?
<ubptgbot> <iapyghia> @Stereofont, "to mare omo" is venetian dialect and its translation means "your mother is a man"
<ubptgbot> <Mattia990> @iapyghia, Yes, It is true... I'm italian too
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Ah, so ban then. That's pretty easy
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @peterbittner, It doesn't have Slimport/MHL, only wireless display. So it's not quite "comparable"
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> I'm not sure why the Pro 5 isn't a "core" device, but I presume partly because they're pretty hard to come by, and it's the only Exynos device
<ubptgbot> <W M> I second the vote for some Pro 5 love. I bought one on launch, and still use it with Android. I'd love to be able to have a usable UBport on it.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ubports is usable on it today.
<ubptgbot> haxn3x9 was added by: haxn3x9
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Hi Shabbir Hasan, if you would like to know more about UBports, here is a good place to start https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <haxn3x9> Can we flash in any phone?
<ubptgbot> <iapyghia> @haxn3x9, https://devices.ubports.com/#/
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> As Ciro pointed out, you can install UBports in just some devices for now
<ubptgbot> <haxn3x9> My device isn't in list
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> What device is?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @iapyghia, http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices is the updated url
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> actually
<ubptgbot> <iapyghia> @dohbee, Sorry
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox can you update the group description to point to the new URL?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @iapyghia, nah, looks like the group description is pointing to the old site still, too
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> also the link for titan goes to a 404?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> I noticed that, too
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> That reminds me, can we set a descriptive page in https://stats.ubports.com/ saying why is unavailable now? That "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later."  makes people think is just down
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee the smartscopesproxy is a service, probably we can disable it right?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack, yes, you can kill it. i'm pretty sure the server is gone now
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> hmm interesting I dont find the upstart job for it
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Damn who is starting this
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> It might be in the user session
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Which would be in `/usr/share/upstart/sessions` if I remember right
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't think it's an upstart job. i think it gets started by unity8
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> hmmm
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Im browsing timer stats to optimize the battery once more ð
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> it constantly waking up
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> [Edit] its constantly waking up
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> just remove it from the source tree, and build a new image without it :)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> lol
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, I will but it got a log file in upstart: â¦ upstart/smart-scopes-proxy.log
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> So doesnt that mean it should have an upstart job too
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> assuming it's not just writing the log there to be cool, i guess
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i mean, what's the parent process in the process list?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> will answer your question pretty quickly :)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> hmm damn I killed & renamed it. But it was respawning ð
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> I need more phones
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> I got a PR already to kill the smartscopes from unity. But this will take time to land on devices, so I am thinking of how we could applyx a hotfix
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you'd have to do it on vivid and build new images for 15.04 and then do an OTA 3.5
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> or 3.1
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> or whatever you want to call it
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, Well I was already some time ago suggesting names for OTAs. Since our build numbers will hardly be able to correspond with a big number. SO OTA-4 will actully be a skewed 5 on some devices maybe or even more. Or less lol for new devices coming
<ubptgbot> irene_sperber was added by: irene_sperber
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> something like Sailfish OS that you can't read or remember? :P
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> let's get it from different languages per release :D
<ubptgbot> <irene_sperber> Hello, can I get help in German?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yes, we had this same issue at canonical, because the system-image stuff just increments the build number, so they are not uniform across devices
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @irene_sperber, Yes you can, in http://t.me/UBports_Deutsch
<ubptgbot> <irene_sperber> Thank you!
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack, Maybe could use datestamp instead
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, Yep or OTA "fruitful fruits"
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> lol
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Javacookies, "Android Everlasting Gobstopper"
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @irene_sperber, You're welcome. You can bookmark this https://ubports.com/fr_FR/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> generate hash words out of the date
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> @dohbee, That'd be great for an LTS release but Google doesn't understand the 'long term support' part
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @irene_sperber, [Edit] You're welcome. You can bookmark this https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Lyokanthrope, sure they do. they have an LTS kernel now :)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> and heck, the Nexus 5 was supported for 4 years with updates (Nov 2013-Oct 2017)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> granted "long term" meaning 3-5 years is kind of a crappy
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> Hey Guys! I've connected my Nexus 4 via USB to my PC because I wanted to copy a couple of files there
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> But my computer (windows 10) doesn't see it
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> Does anybody know how could I solve the problem? Thank you
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Tompla, Try http://adb.clockworkmod.com/
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Tompla, https://superuser.com/questions/950405/windows-10-is-unable-to-load-android-devices-as-mtp-devices#960788
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Oh jesus
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> anyway, that's the answer
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> @Flohack, I already have adb installed
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> Aaand, it has always seen my nexus 4 when I used to have Android on it (which means until a couple of weeks ago)
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> Today it's the first time that I try to connect it since when I installed UT
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, +1
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Tompla, LineageOS?
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> @dohbee, Not only, I used to use also PureNexus
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> anyway, ubuntu just exposes mtp over usb. you need to unlock the screen to be able to access the device
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> And I tried to flash the nightly of Oreo
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but if the screen is unlocked and the drive doesn't appear, then the issues are either on the PC side (missing OS support for MTP), or maybe mtpd got killed/disabled on the phone side for some reason
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> @dohbee, Ok now it appears
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> buuut
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> I can't copy/paste anything on it
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you can inside the folders, but not in the root
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> @dohbee, Oh, perfect! It works now
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> Thank you very much
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> Can I ask you why?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> because much of the system is more similar to a traditional linux system, and exposing all of the home directory over MTP would be confusing and could make it easy to break things
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> so just the select folders are exposed over mtp
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Tompla, Also, phone must e unlocked once when the session is started to prevent unauthorized access
<ubptgbot> <Tompla> Thank you very much :) I still have to learn maaaaaaany things
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you are slow @Flohack :)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> damn!
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> ð
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> I am working at 3 different things rn
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @dohbee, So, the Nexus 5 is actually the only device that does convergence? Can you confirm?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> That or the M10 tablets
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Unless you want to use Miracast, which is middling.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @peterbittner, no, it is not the only device. but "convergence" is a vague and not helpful term, and everyone who says it means something different, in my experience
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Well, the M10 is a big clumsy to stick it into my trouser pocket ... ð
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Sure, but in a practical sense. A a pramatic solution seeker you would suggest to buy the Nexus 5 over any other phone, if (and only if) priority 1 is being able to work "in desktop mode" (if you want so).
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] Sure, but in a practical sense. As a pramatic solution seeker you would suggest to buy the Nexus 5 over any other phone, if (and only if) priority 1 is being able to work "in desktop mode" (if you want so).
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Yes, but note that with the current 15.04 stable you can only run Click apps. Libertine is broken.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it depends on what you want out of it and what you expect, as to what i'd suggest
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i doubt you're going to carry keyboard, mouse, and external monitor in your pocket either
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> @UniversalSuperBox, Why do you say that?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> On the Nexus 5.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Ah.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> also i have no idea where you are located, as that's also a factor, since some devices are harder to get in certain regions, than others are
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> I'm tired of Android. I want to return to an OS that consumes less battery, that is visually appealing, and I want "something more", something I can show off with, something that sets my device apart from others. (Not in a way, "it doesn't run must apps you use", though.)
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] I'm tired of Android. I want to return to an OS that consumes less battery, that is visually appealing, and I want "something more", something I can show off with, something that sets my device apart from others. (Not in a way, "it doesn't run most apps you use", though.)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> and you need to be realistic about using the device with external screen and input, too. you can interact with the GUI similar to a traditional PC, but it's still not a PC
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Switzerland, Germany, Austria
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @dohbee, What would you say disturbs you most?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> @dohbee, I've pointed him to the really incredible price for the best version of the Pro 5, turbo + as I call it, and eBay delivers it more or less worldwide.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @peterbittner, disturbs me?
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @dohbee, How would you describe the main things that lack to make it "a real PC"?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Btw, can anyone suggest where, when I install pavucontrol in Libertine, I might find the directory to paste it's icon (which is currently blank)?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> well it doesn't disturb me, because i know that it's still a phone.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> On my GNOME 16.04 dekstop, it's ./var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-xenial-universe/64x64/pavucontrol_multimedia-volume-control.png
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it's not x86, you can't run steam for example
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @peterbittner, I cant plug in a decent GPU ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you can't use it for certain workloads
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> But that doesn't have an analogue in the Libertine container.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack, the GPU is pretty decent, but i wouldn't go trying to run a bitcoin miner on it
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> haha
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> I neeed some nice PC games (80% Windows unfortunately ð)
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> traitor
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> :P
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Cmon I was 15 when I got hold of the first WIndows copy. I cannot deny its part of my IT life ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack, i have a couple hundred from steam on linux
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @TartanSpartan, I'm happy you pointed that out, and I'm still comparing. Don't get me wrong. Sorry!
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I figure as long as he knows the extents and limitations of ARM builds (maybe he rocks some RPI) and the hardware itself, he's golden.
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, I switch when Diablo runs on Linux ð
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Yeah, I know you are still treating it as just one option, and I understand that.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, i don't understand the question. why do you want to copy that icon somewhere?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/941nyLuf.png
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack, https://forum.level1techs.com/t/looking-glass-guides-help-and-support/122387
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> It's empty there.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> (Photo, 64x64) https://irc.ubports.com/SJzJmGMH.png
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> When it should be rocking this sexy boday.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, what does the `Icon=` line in the .desktop file say?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Which btw is indeed a 64x64 icon, so should help narrow the search down.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I'll look for that, thanks.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> the .desktop file in the rootfs under `/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/` that is
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> does pavucontrol actually work?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Yes sir.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> It does.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> uVolMan is mostly sufficent, but this gives cool granular control for Audacity e.g. if I want to tape a YouTube song, I can do that by treating pulse as the microphone but muting the hardware mic.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> I need to bring my question to an end: (Sorry everyone!) â¦ How probable is it that Anbox will run on the Nexus 5 anytime soon?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @peterbittner, Soon? Not :)
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Never?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Well, it's all relative
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Soon as in this year (I do hope!)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> our solar system will expire "soon" (long before the heat death of the entire universe)
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Guyyyys
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but that will still be a few billion earth years :)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> N5 will get anbox, yes
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, I like Rodneys "Dry Gin" philosophies ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it might be some months though
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @dohbee, I hope this will suffice to get me a decent smart watch the is a replacement for my developement machine.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> 9 months is some months and is rather relevant to human reproductive cycles :)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, be more inclusive dalton. ;)
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @dohbee, [Edit] I hope this will suffice to get me a decent smart watch that is a replacement for my developement machine.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> And still falls within 2018.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> @dohbee, I think those pertain only to Click apps and scopes?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, no
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> oh wait, yeah, ok there's no .desktop file there for libertine apps i guess
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> so the .desktop file in the container. you might just need to install `gnome-icon-theme` inside the container
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> which is where that icon actually comes from
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Ah ok, let's see...
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Hmm, pull to refresh the Libertine scope, but the icon stays blank.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> No wait, I have the desktop file actually
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> "Exec=pavucontrol â¦ Icon=multimedia-volume-control â¦ StartupNotify=true â¦ Type=Application"
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah it's just expecting the icon from the theme
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Reboot perhaps?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't recall if that scope is handling that correctly or not
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> no, reboot is not necessary
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> For a start I'm wondering where a 64x64 directory is.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Might not be one according to my "find" searches.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you don't need the 64x64 directory
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> install `humanity-icon-theme` package inside the container
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Already installed by default.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ubuntu-app-launch only looks in Humanity and hicolor it seems, and doesn't fall back to gnome. it doesn't really implement icon theme spec
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Is there a config file or something to prompt the fall back?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> that should get you an icon, but maybe not the icon you want
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Also, what if I stuffed the icon into Humanity?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> no, it's just code, no config file (or it would work already)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you could just `ln -s gnome Humanity` inside the container's `/usr/share/icons/` directory too, perhaps
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> if you always want gnome
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> (instead of installing humanity-icon-theme)
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> See my screenshot of the apps in the container? Are any of those icons from the Humanity set?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> was humanity already installed?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Yes.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah, some of them come from humanity, but they have icons in the gnome theme too
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> just different icons
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Btw, I remember when I experimented with having system-print-gnome-config or whatever it was called in the container, I had to do this for it's icon too, except I put the icon in a folder and it worked. Wish I remembered how, but I've had to rebuild the container a couple times since then, and I asked on IRC, which is another
<ubptgbot> reason why I wish I had persistent message storage for it back then.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> OIC.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> or rather, different but similar icons
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> probably you put an icon in `/usr/share/pixmaps`
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Right, that was a directory I was looking at also.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> http://notyetthere.org/installing-more-puritine-apps-on-the-m10/
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> He talks about desktop files, so will check that out.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> that is definitely old info you shouldn't need any more
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Right.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Pasted the png icon into picmaps, but insufficent. Guess it wants a .xpm file too/instead?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> no
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> what file name?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> pavucontrol_multimedia-volume-control.png
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Duhhh, I just saw that this should work from an example:
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Icon=/usr/share/gedit/logo/gedit-logo.png
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> So I'll try a dir link like that.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> no it should be named multimedia-volume-control.png
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Right I'll change it.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Got it :D
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Now it's on the same level as any other Libertine app.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Thanks as always for the assist.
<ubptgbot> <padraic7a> looking at the instructions to install anbox at https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html â¦ Does adb shell persist into fastboot? â¦ Otherwise I don't know if the instructions make sense...
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Oh oh oh I just thought, @Flohack @mariogrip
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> No, fastboot has no adb
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> fastboot is only fastboot
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @padraic7a, You reboot the device, then run the remainder of the commands on your computer
<ubptgbot> <padraic7a> ah. markdown formatting makes it look a bit weird
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> When you guys demo'd the system settings-integrated printer feature in Xenial images. Does it have compatability with a wide range of hardware models?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Seems to just be CUPS
<ubptgbot> <padraic7a> Even the first line should probably be split in two.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0OhQ0Ly1.png
<ubptgbot> <mariogrip> @TartanSpartan, it has the same printer support as xenial desktop
<ubptgbot> <padraic7a> Where is the place to file a change for the instructions again?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, it's just cups
<ubptgbot> <mariogrip> if you are talkign about our devices all will get that support
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> @UniversalSuperBox, oh shit that's rad
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I remember trying this in Libertine, but the files (I forget their terminology) had a very limited compatability. I could interface with my specific HP printer, but it referred to it by an old, slightly generic name, and the print page was sort of reminiscent of 80s/90s printing with glitches and artefacts.
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> I never use printers but having full CUPS support on a phone is dope
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I guess you guys have way surpassed those flaws though.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> And Lyo speaks truths!
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, i mean if you install cups and all the support packages, inside the container, and start up cups inside it, you can print to anything
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> at least from the apps inside the container
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> KInd of yes but with the caveats I mentioned (oh and the screwed up font it installs in the Facebook, Gmail and similar webapps).
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> eh?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> fonts in the container cannot affect webapps
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I remember you blanking on that bug before, so lemme show you :)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you mean on firefox?
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> I like firefox
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i like weather underground
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> "it's clear!"
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> i like darksky
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> outside: <black clouds rolling in>
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I legit know a guy who operated in the Weather Underground ^_^
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Sorry* the Weathermen.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> all you have to do is connect a barometer to the internet and you're in
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> nothing special
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Haha
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> @dohbee, my phone has a barometer so already there
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> anyway
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> (Photo, 1152x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/vm1qpKZW.png
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Observethetextwrittenlikethiswithnospaces
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> And weird blue symbols for numbers.
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> what th efuck
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> [Edit] what the heck
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> NOW, that's what I've got on devel arale on Xenial (god only knows why), but the exact same bug occured for that printer thing I mentioned.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't see how installing things inside the container would cause that
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Good question dude. I'm trying to trace the bug on github to draw light to it.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Got it here, just a sec:
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1673934
<ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1673934 in Oxide "when gsfonts is installed the browser will render the pages badly" [Undecided,Confirmed]
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Ah, that was actually for installing to the rootfs. I must have done that because installing part of the printer functionality required that? Libertine didn't have sufficient permissions to rock CUPS by itself.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> that is installing to the rootfs on the phone
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> As I said ;)
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> But yeah, annoying tradeoff for when you wanted to print, to have to put up with that.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Still, you live and learn.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> oh, you can run cups, but you will have to change the port number for the web interface, or disable it
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> because low port requires root
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but really you don't need the web iface anyway
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Fair enough. I'm not really interested in trying it again, it's rendered irrelevant by having CUPS integrated into the system in Xenial anyway.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Was a learning exercise in how you can't expect to approximate a full desktop system purely via Libertine.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> I found apparently a dual-SIM solution for Nexus 5. Does anyone know this? http://www.simore.com/en/mobile-phone-accessories/google/nexus-5/
<ubptgbot> <padraic7a> So anbox is now working on my M10. How do I install an apk though?
<ubptgbot> <padraic7a> The anbox instructions are to use â¦ ```adb install ``` â¦ and this doesn't work from my M10 shell.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @peterbittner, i'm pretty sure those bluetooth ones won't work
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @dohbee, And the simple Dual SIM adapter?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @peterbittner, i expect it will be problematic with the sim tray
<ubptgbot> <padraic7a> @padraic7a, For anyone finding this on  a search it seems that it isn't possible to do much yet. Most recent advice on the QA group is that "installing apps is a bit hard at this moment. but im working on some scripts to make that simple". That might be the group to check out if you're looking to test anbox.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Haha, this is fun! Add a microSD card adapter to the Nexus 5: https://liliputing.com/2016/01/give-a-nexus-5-a-microsd-card-slot-at-your-own-risk-with-this-dirty-hack.html
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Lord knows every phone needs an SD card (sincerity, not sarcasm, mode)
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> I would order a Meizi PRO 5 today if convergence was easy to do. I has the damn SDcard slot, and it has dual SIM (alternatively). It's a shame has no slim port.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] I would order a Meizu PRO 5 today if convergence was easy to do. I has the damn SDcard slot, and it has dual SIM (alternatively). It's a shame has no slim port.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] I would order a Meizu PRO 5 today if convergence was easy to do. It has the damn SDcard slot, and it has dual SIM (alternatively). It's a shame has no slim port.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @peterbittner, prepare for the future and get an htc 10 instead
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Why should this be the future?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> there's work on an htc 10 port. and it's got an sd card slot, 4 GB RAM, and usb-c slimport support
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> [Edit] Why should this be the future? - Oh, there is a dual SIM version of it?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it's only 32GB internal storage, and single sim slot though
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> The HTC Desire 10 Pro is a different breed?
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> Very
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah not that one
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> just "HTC 10"
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> also lol I forgot HTC turned the 'Desire' line into a crappy low budget line
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @Lyokanthrope, lol this just attacted me when I saw the low prices! ð
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @Lyokanthrope, [Edit] lol this just attracted me when I saw the low prices! ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> low prices?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> like $30?
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @Lyokanthrope, [Edit] lol this just attracted me when I saw the low prices! ð â¦ Same price class as the Nexus 5, anyway.
#ubports 2018-03-08
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> lots of porting to do ð
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Gotta port fast
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @PhoenixLandPirate, should we start a porting contest?  guiness book of world records for the fastest ever port?
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/foh4dlYO.mp4
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> This is how porting should go
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> it doesn't
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> :(
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> (Photo, 1280x461) https://irc.ubports.com/TFb0D0xn.png
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> This is what I was trying to refer to but Marius wasn't here to get the joke
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @PhoenixLandPirate, this is quality
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @wayneoutthere, Agreed
<ubptgbot> <Igor Dikiy> @trainailleur, Hello Stephen, I was wondering how you installed CyanogenMod on your nook. Maybe I should start there. By the way, I realized what I have is a Nook HD+
<ubptgbot> <trainailleur> Ah.  What I have is the one which was actually named "Nook Tablet."  Codename was "acclaim."  I don't remember the steps I took, but it was probably originally following whatever instructions Cyanogenmod had, as it was an officially supported device through CM11 or so.
<ubptgbot> <trainailleur> @Igor Dikiy, Ah.  What I have is the one which was actually named "Nook Tablet."  Codename was "acclaim."  I don't remember the steps I took, but it was probably originally following whatever instructions Cyanogenmod had, as it was an officially supported device through CM11 or so. â¦ The HD models came later, I believe.
<ubptgbot> <trainailleur> So I think we're talking about different hardware unfortunately.
<ubptgbot> <trainailleur> From looking at XDA, it seems that some people have gotten Lineage 14.1 to run on the HD/HD+.  They might be a potential source of info: â¦ https://forum.xda-developers.com/nook-hd/development
<ubptgbot> MCAdkins was added by: MCAdkins
<ubptgbot> <MCAdkins> How long should I expect the flash to a OPO to take
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @TartanSpartan, This is not only in libertine, I get this also in the normal browser. From fresh 16.04 install.
<ubptgbot> <tsimonq2> @Flohack, Apparently removing a dep works.
<ubptgbot> <tsimonq2> It's on my todo list to hunt this down.
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @tsimonq2, #define UBUNTU_LEAN_AND_MEAN
<ubptgbot> <tsimonq2> @Flohack, :D
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @MCAdkins, Hi Michael, Welcome , Pls try starting here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @MCAdkins, Flashing is not a fast process but it shouldn't take hours. If you have a OPO, read this https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1015/howto-opo-fix-mtp-driver-permissions
<ubptgbot> Danjreynolds was added by: Danjreynolds
<ubptgbot> <Danjreynolds> Is the native telegram functional? It shows no contacts and messages for this sane account
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @Danjreynolds, Hi Dan, welcome , You may want to visit this site also https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @Danjreynolds, Yes that is normal at the moment
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @Danjreynolds, [Edit] Yes that is normal at the moment, it a supergroup telegram known feature, but we all are here ð
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @trainailleur, I had that but the battery died. Those are quite long in the tooth now
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Danjreynolds, Always good to restart the device after install/upgrade of Telegram
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @Danjreynolds, [Edit] Yes that is normal at the moment, it is a supergroup telegram known feature, but we all are here ð
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @milkor73, No contacts, yes. No messages?
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> Messages ok
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> Just contacts missing
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/ItVOrgYK.png
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> This is expected. API for Channels changed a lot, actually the members are OVERWRITTEN by the chat API that sends 0 participants. I decide dnot to fix that as it is not so easy ;)
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> NP for me ð
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> In the "chat zone" of this supergroup I can't see the total number of members but I can see it clicking on Contacts icon. â¦ In Milan's screenshot is 0 though
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/AungmeR1.png
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @advocatux, Its working sometimes, sometimes not. A race condition between 2 API calls lol
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html here it says that Storage: 16GB of storage is generally enough for any Halium-based OS. My phone has 8gb internal memory. So I can't port halium to it?
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> nobody can tell until you try
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> if /boot is big enough, it will surely work
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> read __generally_
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> [Edit] read generally
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @vanyasem, oh yes thanks
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> n4 8 gig works *shrugs*
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> "generally"
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> also, ask halium questions in @halium
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> 8gig is plenty to boot on, but you can't store a lot of high res videos and music on it
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @vanyasem, already did. they say the same thing
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but totally usable as a phone and for network stuff
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> @redshaman, i am on halium team, no wonder our answers were the same lol
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you could probably port to a 4GB device if you wanted to
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @dohbee, It's okay. I can always use sd card
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> right
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> 16GB is a good metric because most modern phones come with at least that much
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but it's not a minimum
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> which halium I will need for ubuntu touch? 5.1 or 7.1?
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> I see that all supported devices are now rather aged. Are there any newer models in sight? So that I know in which direction to invest? â¦ It feels a bit weird to buy a 4 year-old device, used, to have the top-notch device for running  UT convergence. ð³
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @peterbittner, you're welcome to buy a brand new device and try to port it
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @dohbee, Of course I expected that kind of advice.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it's not easy and everyone doing this is doing it in their spare time with devices they own, as a labor of love
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> HTC 10 was released in 2016. is it still too old?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> fairphone 2 is still purchasable new
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Pro 5 is late 2015
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Don't get me wrong, I'm running quite a couple of FLOSS projects myself on GitHub. I understand the general problem. Just want to know whether there is some talk behind the scences about "the next great device" that will be ported.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i'm sorry that ubports is not google and doesn't have billions of dollars on hand to make new devices that fit directly with the goals of the os, and are stuck having to hope that manufacturers release kernel sources and vendor trees so that ports are even possible
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> seeing whatsapp, telegram and other android apps in ubuntu touch would be great
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> afaik HTC 10 and OnePlus 5 are probably the "next great devices" that people are working on
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> telegram is already in ubuntu
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @dohbee, HTC 10 is not listed as supported device. http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices/
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you are asking for something to be the "next great device" and also already be supported? those are not the same thing
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> they are not supported devices yet because the ports are not finished with daily builds
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> so yeah if you want to install ubuntu on htc 10 today, you have to build it yourself and flash it on manually. no OTAs and such yet
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> and all new devices will only have 16.04, no 15.04 images
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> 16.04 sounds better than 15.04. â¦ What is the deal with 18.04? (Sorry for asking the typical dumb question!) â¦ Would that be available for mobile devices? Is Canonical doing something under the hood which would support the achievements of the UBports project? (snaps is enstablished as a packaging format, that would be one step
<ubptgbot> already)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> 16.04 sounds better but it is not stable yet
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Or are they just struggling with getting Wayland out of the LTS, before it's too late?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> 18.04 will take a huge amount of work to get working
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> wayland is still going to be in 18.04
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it's just not the default
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Oh, is it? So, what was all the rumours? Weird.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> canonical is not investing in phone development at all, no
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> what rumors?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> X11 is the default.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Wayland is just a protocol and it's baked in to gtk+ and stuff. removing it would be an incredible waste of time
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> That Wayland is not going to be default in the LTS.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> rather, wayland support is also being added to Mir
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> well that's not a rumor, it's fact
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but default and in and not exclusive properties
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Alright, so it's just that I phrased it a wrong way.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> switching the default there was a trivial change
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> I'm going to stop commenting now before I start questioning QA on the Gnome project. (And blaming them for instability and memory issues on 17.10.)
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> Okay, so OnePlus is probably a safe choice as an investment. That's fine, that's what I wanted to understand.
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> You can also take a peek to https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/supplementary/devices/index.html and make your bet
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Is there a way to change the default responses when declining a call and replying with a text message?
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @advocatux, Thanks! - Just for clarification: OnePlus 5 doesn't include OnePlus 5T, does it?
<ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> Probably not - they don't have unified lineage builds either
<ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> (unlike 3 and 3t)
<ubptgbot> <Jorge> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/RBhQabTF.webp
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @AmolithSeregion, that... is a great question. I have been looking for this for a long time, haha
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> we need a 'power user' guide/video series (already verbally planning in marketing/community but takes so much work/time)
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @wayneoutthere, Lol. Does anyone know?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @wayneoutthere, I can make a video guide how to use the installer on Windows ð
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> I need to speak with you... outside.  *wink*
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> (joking - plus i have absolutely no idea what that meant)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> hehe
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> According to this https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/get-sources.html I need lineage.dependencies file but my device is not officially supported by LineageOS so I don't have it. What should I use instead?
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Really? Everyone is sleeping or what? :D
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> Did you already find the device tree for your device?
<ubptgbot> xXx was added by: xXx
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> And which device are you porting?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @redshaman, Say this again when there are 100 msgs per minute here
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @JBBgameich, Yes. I already got the answer
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> I need to use local_manifests file
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Error is marked with red and my devices manifest file with green
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> (Photo, 846x105) https://irc.ubports.com/BPZ2vPnf.png
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> I need to move my device's manifest file to .repo and rename it to manifest.xml?
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> you are trying to use a remote "github", which doesn't exist ...
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> No wait, it's something different
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> After making your changes, you need to run ./halium/devices/setup codename again, to download the git repositories using repo
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> But what happend to your default manifest.xml? It shouldn't be changed for porting
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Let me tell you what I did. I cloned manifest files into repo and then tried to run repo sync
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> This error popped out
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> I didn't made any changes to that manifest.xml file
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> I thought it should be my devices manifest file
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> You shouldn't use the local_manifests folder at all. After repo init, add the manifest to halium/devices/manifests/codename.xml
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> But I think that's described in the documentation
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @JBBgameich, Yeah just read it again. My device manifest is called coreprimeve3g.xml. I need to move it from local manifests to halium/devices/manifests/ ?
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> Correct
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> and then run the `./halium/devices/setup coreprimeve3g`
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Thank You. Can I write here if new errors will come out?
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> This is really content for the Halium group. Also, please rename your manifest to `manufacturer_codename.xml`
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> [Edit] This is really content for the Halium group. Also, please rename your manifest to `$manufacturer_$codename.xml`
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @JBBgameich, Okay. No problem. I will ask there. But what's this group about for?
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> @JBBgameich, If it's a samsung device, then `samsung_coreprimeve3g.xml` should be the correct
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @JBBgameich, Got it. Manual says so
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @redshaman, This group is more general ubports talk
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> @redshaman, The UBports supergroup is more for general Ubuntu Touch questions. The Halium group is for general porting with Halium, and once you have Halium working, there's a UBports porting group for making Ubuntu Touch work with Halium on your device.
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> I am sorry if my questions was against rules. Will ask new ones in Halium group. And thanks for help
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> No problem. It's not generally disallowed to ask porting questions here, it's just much more likely that someone will answer them when asked in the Halium group.
<ubptgbot> <sergiqp> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+SergiQuilesPÃ©rez/posts/DADiftg6ZWH
<ubptgbot> <sergiqp> (Photo, 469x72) https://irc.ubports.com/9uEZhqLm.png
<ubptgbot> <sergiqp> Does anybody know it? :-/
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> available for what?
<ubptgbot> <sergiqp> I think he means for desktop
<ubptgbot> <Jyoti> Hi! We can install some apps in UBports 16.04 if we open the browser and download through the openstore website. but I do not know if it is advisable ... â¦ open.uappexplorer.com - OpenStore
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> 16.04 will receive a working store in the next devel
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @malditobastardo, Ooo yay
<ubptgbot> <Jyoti> Yesss!!! :-)
<ubptgbot> <Jyoti> @malditobastardo, When it will be?
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> there's a 16.04 update everyday I believe the only exception is sunday
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> But with that being said, some Sundays their are updates so *shrugs*
<ubptgbot> <Jyoti> So, it will be soon...wonderful!!!
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Jyoti, open-store.io
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @sergiqp, i think that's just the stock ubuntu wallpaper, maybe from 17.10?
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Ubuntu touch drains battery or not?
<ubptgbot> <Jyoti> I do not think the Ubuntu tounch drains battery. Mine is quite good
<ubptgbot> <Jyoti> Maybecanbe better, but is not bad actually
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> good. if somehow whatsapp will appear then I can live in that system forever
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> not a big fan of whatsapp but everybody around uses it so I need too for keeping contact ))
<ubptgbot> <Jyoti> Telegramis much better then whatsapp. But you are right, if you have both is better
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> anything that's powered on will drain battery :)
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @redshaman, Tbf people is the only reason I still use telegram.
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Then again if no one had any media app, I wouldnt use anything so
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> I guess Im the fool in this one
<ubptgbot> <Jyoti> When he asked if is draining battery he means, "draining more then usually" :-)
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @Jyoti, exactly :)
<ubptgbot> Einser Pasch was added by: Einser Pasch
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yes i know that. but it really depends on how you use the phone
<ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> Hey guys I tried to flash a oneplus one with the ubports installer 0.1.11-beta. â¦ Now the phone is dead. â¦ Doesn't react in any way anymore.  â¦ Any help?
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> and why halium
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> what's the relationship of ubuntu touch with halium
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> if you enable notifications for everything and the phone is constantly polling servers, for example, it's going to use a lot more battery
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> halium is the future way of building the android layer
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> initiated by the ubports devs
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> so future releases of ubports will be built on top of halium
<ubptgbot> <balcy> a question about oxide: which branch of https://github.com/ubports/oxide/branches is used for 16.04?
<ubptgbot> ridams was added by: ridams
<ubptgbot> <balcy> or is it already replaced by QtWebEngine?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it is not yet afaik
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i presume the "xenial" branch is used for xenial
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Yep
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> porting webbrowser-app to qtwebengine is a lot of work, too
<ubptgbot> <balcy> Just asking because I've made a small change to 1.19, and not sure if it has arrived in xenial
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> and getting rid of oxide will break lots of apps. not sure if oxide could be made into a wrapper for webengine
<ubptgbot> <balcy> I only see "master", "crmaster" and 1.16 ... 1.22, which one is xenial ?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i guess xenial builds are from master there, rather
<ubptgbot> <balcy> actually I like oxide : )
<ubptgbot> <balcy> ok thanks
<ubptgbot> <balcy> but also quite a lot of effort to move to new versions I guess
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it's ok, sure, but it's a pain to maintain, because chromium is a pain
<ubptgbot> <balcy> for me even setting up an environment to build it was a challenge :  )
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you probably need to re-propose your fix to the master branch, it probably shouldn't have been done on the 1.19 branch
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> especially since releases are already up to 1.22 i guess
<ubptgbot> <balcy> the only problem, by bq is my daily phone (my only Ubports device), and I'm not sure I should put 16.04 on it already
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> hmm, yeah, there's no debian dir there even. i don't recall how exactly those packages get built
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you probably shouldn't
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> and updates to 15.04 are very unlikely
<ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> Hey guys I just try to install Ubuntu touch to my oneplus one. But I can only enter the fast boot mode. And then nothing more happens. I have the latest installer... â¦ Any help?
<ubptgbot> <balcy> Last year I got it to work somehow that I can test my patches on the phone (if I can reproduce it I will post it to the forum)
<ubptgbot> <trainailleur> On a Ubuntu 16.04 host, I have to run the UBPorts installer with sudo in order to get it to recognize OnePlus One in fastboot.
<ubptgbot> <balcy> it was with ENABLE_COMPONENT_BUILD
<ubptgbot> <trainailleur> Also verify unlocked bootloader and that adb and fastboot are working.
<ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> @trainailleur, I use Windows 8.1
<ubptgbot> <trainailleur> The folks in Welcome and Install room are generally a good source of help. â¦ @WelcomePlus
<ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> @trainailleur, Thanks!
<ubptgbot> <balcy> @dohbee there was a "downgrade" 11 days ago: https://github.com/ubports/oxide-packaging/blob/xenial/ubports.source_location
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> err why
<ubptgbot> <balcy> no idea :  ) maybe problems on some BQ phones ? I remember E5 had problems with a new version some months ago
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but 1.21.7 isn't even the latest version
<ubptgbot> <sergiqp> @dohbee, Thanks
<ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> Hello all, I'm trying to write files to the filesystem using HTML / JS via cordova and am running into a bit of trouble
<ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> I've found this: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/245/need-for-better-permission-policy-for-html5-app/3 is there an easy way to access the filesystem using cordova, or is there another way to do this stuff as an alternative to cordova?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> does the standard cordova way of reading/writing files not work?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> if not, what is the error?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i guess you probably need to build the file paths yourself, and they would have to be in the correct locations that your app has permissions to write to
<ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> just looking at the [cordova documentation for file access](https://cordova.apache.org/docs/en/latest/reference/cordova-plugin-file/) ubports/ubuntu doesnt seem to have any support
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> that support is something the plug-in implements, no?
<ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> that is correct, plugin needs to implement support on a per-system basis
<ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> ubports doesnt have support, I was wondering if there is an easy way to use javascript to access filesystems on the system
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> there is not
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> can you not use that plug-in and manually build the path to the files?
<ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> looking at the plugins source code, it will not even compile the app without a ubports directory in the src folder
<ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> it doesnt know *how* to write the file under a ubports system
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you mean ubuntu?
<ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> yes
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i guess some code needs to be written there then
<ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> I guess it does, on to making a cordova file plugin for ubuntu
<ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> thanks for your help
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> A while ago someone sent me a link to some documentation showing how to stream the display from UT to a media player on another device. Does anyone know where that is?
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> @AmolithSeregion, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/screencasting.html maybe?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> yep!
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @Lyokanthrope, That's, thank you!
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @Lyokanthrope, [Edit] That's it, thank you!
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> god bless firefox for letting me just type in 'screen cast' and it shows up in my suggestions x3
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @Lyokanthrope, That's exactly why I stopped deleting my history
<ubptgbot> <Gorsh2> I tried that one and it was... quite dissapointing
<ubptgbot> <Gorsh2> The framerate you could pull (at least from my N4) was very jumpy, not fluid at all
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> same with 5
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> [Edit] same with N5
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @Lyokanthrope, Do I execute this command on my phone or on my laptop?
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> The first one, over ADB, I mean
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> desktop.
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> er
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> laptop*
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> whatever.
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Any ideas? https://asciinema.org/a/91oCy1oFUdXh0acHWz3DQsKD6
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> uh
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> is developer mode on
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> [Edit] is developer mode on?
#ubports 2018-03-09
<ubptgbot> Aghna_Barokah was added by: Aghna_Barokah
<ubptgbot> M Williams was added by: M Williams
<ubptgbot> <M Williams> Hello all. Flashed many devices before and I am now having a hard time using the installer to get Ubuntu touch on my nexus 5
<ubptgbot> <M Williams> Is there an recent image that i can fastboot flash or do i have to use the  installer?
<ubptgbot> <Jyoti> @balcy, I have the ubports 1604 installed on my bq E5. If it s your daily phone, do not install yet, most of apps are not working yet
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @M Williams, It's not an android ROM so you can't flash with fastboot. You don't have to use the installer, you can use `ubuntu-device-flash` if you're on ubuntu
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you can boot from a live image to do it, too, if you're not, and without installing ubuntu
<ubptgbot> <M Williams> thanks Rodney
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> sure
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @Lyokanthrope, I didn't even know there was a dev mode. Or if I had, I'd forgotten it
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> yeah uh in Settings > About > scroll to bottom > developer mode
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> iirc ADB is disabled by default
<ubptgbot> Yves Dehnen was added by: Yves Dehnen
<ubptgbot> <Yves Dehnen> Hi everyone, just joined, installer did not work on Nexus 4 but managed to install Ubuntu touch with Ubuntu-device-flash
<ubptgbot> <e_z_tuxer> Here's my handle
<ubptgbot> <e_z_tuxer> e_z_tuxer
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @e_z_tuxer, Hi Yves, welcome. Take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Hello Aghna Collection. May I ask what is your first language?  We have many different language groups here
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Also, anyone online whose first language is Polish?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> You can polish your language skills if you improve your Polish language skills
<ubptgbot> <JSJoubert> @Mohannes, If that was English it would have been NSFW tongue twister.. if I understood it.
<ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> it's not that NSFW tbh ;)
<ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> well, maybe if you let urban dictionary do the translation
<ubptgbot> <JSJoubert> @Stereofont, Africa only may be a bit too broad. You get Africa Lite and Africa Serious ð and on its own probably 20+ languages.. unless we all learn to speak Fanagalo
<ubptgbot> <Christopher> hey I know you guys do provide video updates but I hope its ok to ask... are there any 'new' devices that can be used w/ ubports these days? I'm still using a nexus 5
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @JSJoubert, Try to pronounce it Jean. and record it on audio and put it here ;)
<ubptgbot> à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯ was added by: à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯
<ubptgbot> <JSJoubert> @rogieroudshoorn, Only ever so slighlty on the verge. ð
<ubptgbot> <JSJoubert> @Mohannes, I will give it a go in a bit but my accent will be horrendous ð
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Christopher, Devs are working hard to port UBports to other devices than the usual ones. Take a look at https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement (Halium is a needed step to port UBports)
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯, Hi, you can get started here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <Christopher> i see... it looks like those devices aren't quite ready for daily ubports usage yet
<ubptgbot> <à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯> gigaset qv1030 tablet i have i want load ubuntu touch
<ubptgbot> <à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯> ub ports not detecting
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> That model is not ported
<ubptgbot> <à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯> any ideaes
<ubptgbot> <à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯> so not possible?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Maybe is possible if someone works in that model
<ubptgbot> <à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯> devoloper mode enabled
<ubptgbot> <à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯> currently android kitkat
<ubptgbot> <à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯> they dint give update os
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> have a look at http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices#/ to see all currently working devices
<ubptgbot> <à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯> so not possible
<ubptgbot> <Mohannes> @JSJoubert, Haha, the UBports Language Challenge!
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯, Just FYI there's also an Indian support group https://t.me/UBports_India
<ubptgbot> cyanogenite was added by: cyanogenite
<ubptgbot> <jonny> @à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯, Right now it is not possible. It may become possible, if you or someone did the porting. For porting information see https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
<ubptgbot> <à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯> [Edit] so now not possible
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @cyanogenite, Hi, welcome. Take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
<ubptgbot> <à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯> currently have kitkat update not available
<ubptgbot> <technicalbird> @à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯, The device you are looking is not ported!!
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @JSJoubert, I understand what you mean. 200 languages maybe. We have that issue with India too, so we chose an area group, rather than language based
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @technicalbird, How to port? Is it hard?
<ubptgbot> <technicalbird> So it's not possible to flash .. it won't detect your device!
<ubptgbot> <technicalbird> @cyanogenite, Depends on the device!! You can start with halium documentation!
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Christopher, Check out the community port - Moto G2 Titan
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @technicalbird, Ohhhh, ok
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @cyanogenite, Is more entertaining and time-consuming than hard ð
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @advocatux, Wow
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> In what device are you interested?
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @advocatux, Redmi note 3 (kenzo)
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> I am not sure if I will be able to port
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @advocatux, Can you give rough information what all is needed?
<ubptgbot> <JSJoubert> @Stereofont, I understand. You may have a big divide between Southern,  awestern Nothern oor Eastern regions. But probably good idea for the people involved in the project to know who could be close to them to help with mentoring and development.
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @cyanogenite, Six months of banging your head against a wall in frustration
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @cyanogenite, First step is to port it to Halium https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/index.html Then UBports https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @advocatux, Ohhhh, thanks, will see
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> You're welcome ð
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @JSJoubert, Maybe similar device availability, similar frustrations with internet connectivity, maybe more of a tight budget. In Europe, everything is so easy â¦
<ubptgbot> <JSJoubert> I know. Being currently in the UK I regularly look at stuff in Africa (Gaming with my nephews) and simple.stuff like a gaming headset with mic is a huge chunk of money vs salary where here it is essentially a wim purchase
<ubptgbot> <JSJoubert> Same with handset cost for a top end Samsung phone is the equivalent of a monthly salary gross of tax cash and on contract also unaffordable unless you have a high end job
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @JSJoubert, Exactly. It is nice to speculate about the OnePlusThree and HTC10 arriving but we must not lose sight of the need for more affordable options for Ubuntu Touch
<ubptgbot> <JSJoubert> That is one reason why Blackberry did so well (at least SA) vs Europe the BIS was the first time you had an affordable mobile internet connection
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯, Nvidia chooser so that would be an 'interesting' challenge. It has only 1Gb RAM and reported to be very slow on Android. Probably it would struggle more on UT
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @JSJoubert, Do you know about the Serval group?  An independent device 'swarm' is especially interesting in that context
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @à® à®à®°à®¾à®®à®à¯à®à®¨à¯à®¤à®¿à®°à®©à¯ à®ªà®¿à®³à¯à®³à¯, [Edit] Nvidia chipset so that would be an 'interesting' challenge. It has only 1Gb RAM and reported to be very slow on Android. Probably it would struggle more on UT
<ubptgbot> <JSJoubert> No I don't. Or at least doesn't ring a bell. Let me go and see
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @JSJoubert, There is a UBports focus group @wayneoutthere
<ubptgbot> <JSJoubert> So this is not it.. ð https://a-z-animals.com/animals/serval/
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> https://t.me/UB_serval
<ubptgbot> <JSJoubert> @advocatux, ð
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Hey. On my M10, I haven't been able to connect to three different public WiFi hotspots lately, two of which are on buses. Figure it can't be a problem with them but rather the tablet, as my Pro 5 connected to one fine. How to fix?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> No password involved, just "do you agree to these conditions blah blah blah".
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Are you talking about Captive Portal login?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> IDK?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> I mean login to a wifi acces point using the web browser?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Yes, exactly that, but no UN/PW involved.
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> I remember a bug related to dnsmasq or something like that
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> If you can point me to documentation for that, much appreciated.
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> But I'm thinking about another possibility (user-agent string). Are your M10 and Pro5 running the same UBports version?
<ubptgbot> <berchio> Which of the two YouTube apps in openstore should I pick?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> https://open-store.io/app/youtube-web.mateo-salta
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> It's better
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Best support, best navigation, etc
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> But you can try both I decide for yourself ð
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @advocatux, nice word play.  I approve (stamp gif)
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> Ok, porting seems easy until cloning for halium
<ubptgbot> <RoyNL> In xenial on M10 started OpenStore. Could not see apps. When touching screen app became visible
<ubptgbot> <RoyNL> (Photo, 722x456) https://irc.ubports.com/hGsnWALk.png
<ubptgbot> <RoyNL> (Photo, 670x419) https://irc.ubports.com/vJwC2tDU.png
<ubptgbot> <RoyNL> Progress!
<ubptgbot> <RoyNL> xenial r47
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Is it working fine now?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @wayneoutthere, Another mission for... Stampman!
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @TartanSpartan, Before the latest OTA there was ubuntu google open page on browser that changed to WiFi provider site to connect and accept the conditions, with duck duck this stoped working. Will investigate what are the settings now. Will come back.
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @TartanSpartan, [Edit] Before the latest OTA there was ubuntu google starting page on browser that changed to WiFi provider site to connect and accept the conditions, with duck duck this stoped working. Will investigate what are the settings now. Will come back.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @TartanSpartan, You can navigate to 1.1.1.1 manually to be redirected in most cases
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> The problem exists due to our friend HSTS, your phone is refusing to be redirected to an HTTP-only site from DDG
<ubptgbot> <SecretlyTaco> You don't even need the HSTS header anymore, some browsers just remember
<ubptgbot> <SecretlyTaco> But yeah, open any HTTP site
<ubptgbot> <SecretlyTaco> Does example.com do tls
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Nope!
<ubptgbot> <libremax> @UniversalSuperBox, An orher good reason to replace DDG by Qwant wich is better in many way
<ubptgbot> n0rbr was added by: n0rbr
<ubptgbot> <SecretlyTaco> searx.me
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @libremax, Would not solve the problem
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @n0rbr, Hi norbr. Take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @UniversalSuperBox, Thx Dalton
<ubptgbot> <libremax> @UniversalSuperBox, From Qwant my phone "phone is" Not "refusing to be redirected to an HTTP-only site"
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> Can anyone help? Error while halium. â¦ https://del.dog/ipomosuvin.sql
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @advocatux, Can you help?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Share your error using https://paste.ubuntu.com/ Nobody's going  to click in a random link ð
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> [Edit] Share your error using https://paste.ubuntu.com/ Nobody's going  to click on a random link ð
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @advocatux, Try, it's easier than Ubuntu paste!
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @advocatux, After selecting defconfig
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @advocatux, If u want I will give in Ubuntu paste
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> If it's a Halium error you should ask in the Halium group
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> @advocatux, it's not a random link, it's a self-hosted hastebin
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> @cyanogenite, 1) post in @halium â¦ 2) you have to open your defconfig (as written in docs) and edit the configs manually using a text editor (i.e. set `#CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER is unset` to `CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y`
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> @cyanogenite, [Edit] 1) post in @halium â¦ 2) you have to open your defconfig (as written in docs) and edit the configs manually using a text editor (i.e. set `#CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER is unset` to `CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y`)
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> @advocatux, i pity you for supporting centralization. internet was supposed to be independent and federated
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @vanyasem, ðð Ivan, you're really a funny guy ðð
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @vanyasem, Everywhere?
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> @cyanogenite, at least every error
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> warning are optional, but highly recommended to fix
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> go to @halium damn you
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/rKyPumes.webp
<ubptgbot> <cyanogenite> @vanyasem, Ok sir, thanks
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> @advocatux, i meant this seriously
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> i keep a small data-center at home to self-host services to support decentralization
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Me too. You're preaching to the choir
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> hmm....   decentralization... I smell ... a new focus group! ;)
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> How can UT improve decentralization?  I think ... we could/should start answering this.  Serval Project is one example.  Linphone can help... others?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Someone is trying to win Bureaucrat of the Year award
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> We can help ALL people with ALL things, buddy.  You are raining on my parade.  You are the cloud in my sunny day.  You are the scoop of sugar in my freshly roasted coffee.  GIT!
<ubptgbot> <libremax> UniversalSuperWayne
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> ð well I'll have lunch now disappears surreptitiously
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @redshaman, Android drains battery. Seriously, I had significantly better battery life on my bq Aquaris E5 with Ubuntu Touch. After installing Android life was shitty. (I was forced to switch to Android for WhatsApp; that's what wives do.) â¦ To be fair, Android does a whole lot more in the background. But seriously, do I
<ubptgbot> want my personal data be sent to Google servers in continuation in background? Neither in foreground I want that. But that's Android. Everybody loves it.
<ubptgbot> <andreasimonetti> not me
<ubptgbot> <libremax> "(I was forced to switch to Android for WhatsApp; that's what wives do.)" Better, you had forced yourself to accept that; otherwise, if you had got a gun in your neck, go to the police!
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> @advocatux yes they are.
<ubptgbot> <peterbittner> @libremax, Testosterone driving you nuts is worse than a gun in your neck, haha! ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @vanyasem, But you need federation too. How can I trust a domain I've never seen before to not be trying to serve me malware?
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> @dohbee, fair enough, that's what librejs is for
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> it's not usable in real world though, i agree
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> i just sticked to strict uMatrix rules that block most of the JS and require manual whitelisting
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> well and pastebin doesn't have federation, but yeah. just because you're the one that clicked the link, doesn't mean it's not a random link. whenever i see "random domain with hash for path" it's not a good sign. usually url shortners or such, which tend to be bad.
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> it's not that insecure if you have JS and redirects disabled :P
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> i opened the link and noticed it's hastebin. i whitelisted the hastebin script and it worked
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Stereofont, I would say not possible if it's a Tegra. For reference see the 2012 Nexus 7 (grouper). Maybe could port the base halium bits and use it for a headless media server or something, but likely not a fully enabled graphical system
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @vanyasem, Which on the modern web is roughly equivalent to just not clicking links, since pretty much nothing is usable at that point. :-/
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> @dohbee, i just spent a week whitelisting rules on sites i use, which was a pain, but worked
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> sites i use are whitelisted and random crap doesn't get in the way
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> most of my stuff except stackoverflow and youtube are self-hosted :P
<ubptgbot> <vanyasem> [Edit] most of my stuff except stackoverflow and youtube is self-hosted :P
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Stereofont, Hah, a group for the whole of Africa doesn't make sense. Maybe one for SA, one for Egypt, etc. India is one country. Africa is an entire continent which can fit all of Asia, Europe, and the US within it.
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> (Photo, 2560x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/FHqQ7h1x.png
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> (Photo, 2560x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/PPlo4lLa.png
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/8p1MMLwv.png
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> My Nexus4 is alive again! Woohoo ð
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> I just realize that Telegram voice messages is playing from the mic speakers of the N5 @Flohack
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> "speakers"
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> @dohbee as in can fit all of their landmasses combined inside it's landmass?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> @UniversalSuperBox sorry broheime but that idea didn't pan out. @advocatux linked me to an AskUbuntu discussion about basically the same bug. It suggested using a different browser to log in to the captive network thingamajig and so Firefox indeed worked. Down to try and find other fixes, though.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> @milkor73 therefore, I will be all ears when you test that :)
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> @TartanSpartan, today very busy, pls give me time, I will test, I have already some feedback as I travel a lot and meet many public wifi on the route where I go
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan i think not all of them, but most of them, anyway
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> No problem.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Rodney, yeah I was thinking, would probably have to depend on your definition of Asia, because it starts at Turkey and ends at various archipelagos north of Australia, in full totality.
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> Finally i can test 16.04. Looking good so far..
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @samitormanen, welcome back.  N4 was really solid for me.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, https://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/cartography
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/cZGAnRWX.mp4
<ubptgbot> <milkor73> not my, your one Sami, of course
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> ð
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> Xenial running quite good..
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> Two sudden reboots already ð
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> I need to insert SIM and test calls and other things..
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Still a shafunk ton of Asia not there, but I'll admit, the way those nations all slot together is both interesting and impressive.
<ubptgbot> <NotKit> @samitormanen, what about Telegram on it?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> telegram probably needs recompile
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @malditobastardo, What does that mean?
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> @NotKit, Telegram starts fine but when i put phone number and press "done", nothing happens.. No confirmation message.
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> @Flohack, Instead of playing the message from the headphones of the N5. It uses the loudspeakers
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @samitormanen, 16.04?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack, I think he means it's playing via the external speaker rather than the voice call speaker. IOW, like "speakerphone"
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @malditobastardo, I cant do anything about this, must be the phones config. The App cannot select which Speaker to use I would say.
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> @Flohack, Yes. N4.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack, How does it work in dialer app?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @samitormanen, Telegram is not ready for 16.04 - I dont know how can I communicate this. It needs recompilation, and unfortunately it has the worst build process of all Apps
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, No idea ;)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Someone might dig into both codebases and compare
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> hmm, but if headphones are plugged in, it should play via headphone regardless
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> yes. Also, I can imagine to listen to a Telegram voice message with the speakerphone thingie since I dont put my phone on the ear during using Telegram but OK
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> That raises the point how people use their phones: Its totally different
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> usability is hard :)
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> @Flohack, Yeah, I understand. I am just testing all kind of things. Still, very suprised how good it works at this moment. Very smooth.
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> @Flohack, For me is ok but sometimes when you are in a noisy environment or when you need discretion is good to have the chance to listen from the earspeakers
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> This same behavior happens by default with uMatriks
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> Plus my nexus 5 speakers sounds horrible
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> Distorted
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, BTW dialer app is different, has a different confinement such. Just to have a look what is behind the handsfree button,
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Anyone volunteers?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack, Well it's not confined at all I think (not even unconfined profile), but yeah. I don't think that part matters wrt audio profile though
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> problem is i presume, that telegram is just always using media profile
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, We could make s switch for that, but I need to know what to switch ð
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> exactly
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> Rodney you nailed it
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> Yesterday I was telling the same to cibersheep about the Linphone app
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> same "issue"
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack, https://github.com/ubports/dialer-app/blob/xenial/src/qml/LiveCallPage/LiveCall.qml#L611
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Well thats the beginning of the rabbit hole
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> This property is for sure handed down into some bckend code
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yes
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> that was just a quick look to find the ui
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Yep but thx maybe I do it on the weekend
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Can I theme my terminal app?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yep. i expect it's probably connected to some property in a c++ obj, that actually toggles the pulseaudio profile somehow
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @AmolithSeregion, there is a theme selection in the preferences no?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @AmolithSeregion, Do you mean make your own theme? Because you can choose from a selection in configuration
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, Manually theme, I'm sorry. I want to pick my own colours and such
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Yes, you can make your own theme, but there's no GUI to do so afaik.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @AmolithSeregion, https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @AmolithSeregion, [Edit] Do you mean making your own theme? Because you can choose from a selection in configuration
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, I've got that on my laptop. It's fun to play with
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i think there is some way to use themes from that, but i'm not entirely sure how exactly
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> that app uses the same terminal widget as terminal-app does, anyway
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> not sure if there's any documentation on how to theme though
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> Hey guys do USB monitors work with convergence?
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @dohbee, Afaik always seems like an arabic name or something.
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> who is this Afaik person?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @wayneoutthere, Its the same with Scnr, seems to be from Poland or so.
<ubptgbot> loic darling was added by: loic darling
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @loic darling, Hi loic, take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> good evening to all I am new in the group, and also on telegram. my membership in this group is justified by the fact that I want to build a medical tablet based on the ubuntu touch OS. I want to start with the installation of the system under raspberry pi but the fact is that it is impossible, I really want your help compared,
<ubptgbot>  I want you to show me a step to follow for the realization of my project, even having godfathers ..
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> this sounds... intense. :)
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> my heart is pounding.
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/rM9UqaKU.mp4
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @loic darling, all joking aside, we are here to help
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> @wayneoutthere, ok.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Fuseteam, No
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you'd have to install a normalish ubuntu, and then install the unity8 session on top of it, on rpi
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> there are some differences between what that is, and what ubuntu-touch is though
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @loic darling, What hardware do you have in mind?
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> I look a lot more at an ARM architecture, because of the accessibility in my region the other architecture is easily accessible here as a single board,
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> But currently we do not have many choices regarding tablets
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> je suis du cameroun et avoir accÃ¨s Ã  d'autre type de proccesseur c'est pas facile.
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> I am from Cameroon and have access to other types of proccesseur is not easy.
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> sorry
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Ok hmm.. Hardware is the key, though, even if you got a good prototype, what will be the final hardware?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> currently the way the full ubuntu-touch stack works is tied pretty tightly to having the android HAL in a container underneath
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> @Flohack, it will depend on a thorough analysis. can you offer me? my goal first is the prototype then the rest will come.
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @loic darling, No sorry, we cannot do this easily. Currently no hardware vendor is producing a tablet which can run Ubuntu Touch. You need to find an Android tablet and try to port UT for it. Thats the only option
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> "medical tablet" is also kind of vague. does that mean just building some apps on top? or adding new features to the core OS too? Perhaps removing some that are not needed in this use case, and that would be problematic?
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> I'll go, develloperations on it, remove what is up and see how to add more functionality if possible.in fact that's what I want ....
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @loic darling, I think you go the wrong way. You want to gop top-down but that will cuase the most problems at the end. You need to go bootom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @loic darling, [Edit] I think you go the wrong way. You want to go top-down but that will cuase the most problems at the end. You need to go bootom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @loic darling, [Edit] I think you go the wrong way. You want to go top-down but that will cause the most problems at the end. You need to go bootom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @loic darling, [Edit] I think you go the wrong way. You want to go top-down but that will cause the most problems at the end. You need to go bottom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> When you talk about hardware you are referring to the hardware archirecture to use?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @loic darling, No I am referrring to the actual tablet
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> You want to do this on only one device or many?
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> one device
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Hmm then try to get hands on a BQ M10 tablet
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Its the only tablet that UT is compatible with atm
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> ha ok
<ubptgbot> <mateosalta> @loic darling, Probably start with Ubuntu core I think, that runs on the pi, and there are mir snap demos I think
<ubptgbot> <mateosalta> https://developer.ubuntu.com/core/examples/snaps-on-mir
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @mateosalta, it requires ubuntu sso login and network connection to sync ssh key though, and probably a bit of a pain to build on top of
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<ubptgbot> <mateosalta> The auto updating, and security wise might be a good fit for 'medical'
<ubptgbot> <mateosalta> Not sure what all he wants, will this hook up to monitoring devices, or be a record keeping appointment/diagnosis/records type of thing
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> no idea
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but given the aforementioned description of device ability in that location seems like network availability would also be quite thin
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Andrea Vergano, Hi Andrea, take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
<ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> Short information to everyone using ubports installer on osx and trying to install ubuntu touch on a nexus 5: I failed using version 0.1.11-beta, but 0.1.5-beta seems to work. Good luck!
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<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @Zetarancio, Welcome Alessandro! Take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started!
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> does anyone know why `ubuntu-push-client` would fail to start with this error:
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> ``` root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet/.cache/upstart# tail -f ubuntu-push-client.log  â¦ 2018/03/09 22:10:50.106941 ERROR Information failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoMemory: Launcher could not run (out of memory)```
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> despite what it may look like, the device has more than sufficient memory
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> ```             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached â¦ Mem:          886M       832M        53M       2.1M        13M       352M â¦ -/+ buffers/cache:       466M       419M â¦ Swap:           0B         0B         0B```
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> on 15.04? (and why are you root?)
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> 15.04, yes
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i'm root because i wrote adb shell and it gave me a root prompt. not sure why
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Whoa! What device?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> that sounds bad
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> titan (moto g2)
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Oh.
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i know it's a community device
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Probably compiled with `eng`
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> but i'm actually interested in developing for ubuntu touch again - it's been a long time - and it's the only device i've got handy that's currently support
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> [Edit] but i'm actually interested in developing for ubuntu touch again - it's been a long time - and it's the only device i've got handy that's currently supported
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you don't have much free memory
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Hmm, I think Walid is asleep right now, but maybe he has the answer to your ubuntu-push-client problem
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> 419 MB seems more than enough for a push daemon
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i dropped all caches just in case, and it's still doing the same thing
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> hmm, does 15.04 `free` not have the `available` bit?
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i guess not - what even is that?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> the value of how much is available so you don't have to do math in your head
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> it's not in 7proc/meminfo either
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> [Edit] it's not in /proc/meminfo either
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> anyway, i think i have more than enough memory for the push daemon because i don't have any apps running
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> and i can start up like three different apps and the OOM killer won't get rid of any of them
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> what about ulimit?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> is something set with ulimit maybe?
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> seems normal to me
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> https://paste2.org/c6vev3eO
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> hmm
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i ran it as non-root just in case and i get the same results
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> if you `su` to phablet, and run `start ubuntu-push-client` does it start?
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> unknown job
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i actually tried that earlier
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> huh
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Yep, that happens when you need to switch to phablet.
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> aha
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i'll just grab a terminal app then
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Can you run that from the phone's terminal instead?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> yep
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> what if you just run `/usr/lib/ubuntu-push-client/ubuntu-push-client` directly?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> well i did say to `su` to phablet first ;)
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i did su to phablet first
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Right, but you can't always use upstart's scripts the same way when you do that.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Same thing happens if you get a shell before `lightdm` actually starts
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> oh, because the env is empty or something?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Seems like it
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> unix sucks
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i did stop/start:
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> - A Unix developer, 2018
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> [Edit] i did stop/start
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> same errors
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> that is so weird
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> weird
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @GranPC, Actually it seems not a problem of push client but rather of dbus
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i thought of that, but i don't see anything interesting in the dbus logs
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, we could do a stream where we just sort of talk about how everything sucks
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i hear you can get sponsors for that sort of thing
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> for what it's worth, this appears in the logfile after a reboot
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> ```2018/03/09 22:07:36.809167 INFO connectivity check passed. â¦ 2018/03/09 22:07:37.410850 ERROR Information failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoMemory: Launcher could not run (out of memory) â¦ 2018/03/09 22:07:37 unable to start: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoMemory: Launcher could not run (out of memory) â¦ 2018/03/09 22:07:40.55425
<ubptgbot> 0 INFO connectivity check passed.```
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> then it never appears again
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> that sounds like ubuntu-push-client is running, but it can't launch something else
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i actually thought that, but then i noticed it's a different pid every time
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> what, i do not know though
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> @dohbee, i tried thsi btw
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> it just shows the same error, but in stdout
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> well, maybe it's something which is necessary for it to function, and then dies because of that
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> (well, maybe stderr. dunno!)
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> yeah, maybe
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but i've never seen that happen before
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> so uh, yeah :-/
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> me neither, and I've run ubuntu touch on a few different devieces
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> (including one i self-ported!)
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> maybe I'll just switch to 16.04 and see if it happens there. if not, maybe i can help develop 16.04
<ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Hey guys, I have a question, I have ubports booting with halium-boot, but I can't get the GUI, I followed the instructions that say to use systemctl which as expected doesn't work, and lxc-android-config gives a file not found error, what should I be entering?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @GranPC, Does notification work?
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> no, they don't. that's what led to me to look at the ubuntu-push-client logs :)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> connectivity check passed is normally enough to check if its working. anything else in the logs?
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> nope
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> only that + the error messages repeated every few seconds
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> ah ok so its repeating?
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> yes
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> because the process crashes, then it gets restarted by upstart, then it crashes again
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> err, wait, the g2 isn't a halium/16.04 device?!
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> I don't think it runs on halium
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> but it can run 16.04 - I was actually running it a few hours ago
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/experimental-ubuntu-touch-titan-t3608846
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, It's ubp-5.1, the port was started before Halium was a thing
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> oh
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> It runs 16.04
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @dohbee, We are struggling to create anything. It would be a starting point, though I meant Africa minus Arabic speakers
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, sure, i was more confused about it running 15.04
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> the developer started working on it in 2014
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> and then for some reason he went back to it in 2017
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> I dunno, I'll try wiping the whole thing and reinstalling 16.04
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> sure. i started on all this stuff in i guess 2013
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> it's probably a dumb idea to develop for 15.04 anyway
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @GranPC, well, what are you wanting to develop?
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> apps
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> I wouldn't mind contributing to the system itself or core apps either
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> I'll probably start out with some simple issues on core apps on github
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> pure qml apps should run fine on either,
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> or html5 apps too i guess
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> probs not gonna be pure qml apps, I want to make a chrome remote desktop client
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> not interested in html5 apps
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> lol
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> native or bust
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Flohack, Also 2013 Nexus 7
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Stereofont, 2013 Nexus 7 wifi (flo - early models)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> or something
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> flo is all wifi models, deb is the lte model
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> they changed the partitioning on flo
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> so it doesn't install properly on latter models
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yes, but they changed the flash later and it broke stuff
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> it is possible to repartition them
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> oh
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> My bad
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> I wasn't aware of that
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> That's...dumb
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> also there's razor which is a rev of deb i think
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> no, they have two names
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> (device name and product name. some weird stuff going on!)
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> I wonder if I can still find n7 2013's floating around
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yes
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i still have mine
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> oh yeah there's a bunch on swappa
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> it doesn't run ubports though. only canonical touch
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> i still have touch installed on it
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @GranPC, you sound like @KrisJacewicz ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i just put 15.04 back on my nexus 4
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> nah
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> @Flohack, to be fair though... native apps are already a little slow
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> html5 apps aren't any better :)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> they're not all slow
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Actually things are much speedier on 16.04. Like magic.
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> oh, I know! it felt a lot nicer to use
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> can confirm, 16.04 when I tried it on the nexus 5 was much nicer feeling
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> I'm not sure why I switched to 15
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> I couldn't daily drive it without a working telegram app at least though ð·
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> [Edit] I couldn't daily drive it without a working telegram app at least though
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Tygerpro Tygerpro, You are in the porting group?
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> [Edit] I couldn't daily drive it without a working telegram app at least though :x
<ubptgbot> <GranPC> oh sound wasn't working, that was it
<ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Not that I know of
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> I can add you if you'd like
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Wait, no, you have a username set. PM?
<ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Meaning you PM me?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Right
<ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Sure, dunno if it works on my phone though
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> Totally hyped for tomorrow afternoon, when I'm gonna arive at the Chemnitzer Linux Days ð
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> First time for me to attend such an event. No idea really what to expect besides the talks.
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> Also there are either very few others attending from this community or we are just exceptionally little interested in making a date for a small community meetup ð probably normal though
<ubptgbot> <Mathieu> Hello, i need help to unlock m'y Meizu Pro 5. My computer is un Ubuntu 17.10 and my computer don't know the Meizu when i touch in power + volume down. An idea. Please.  â¦ I want to install ubports in Meizu . bye
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Mathieu, Is it currently running Ubuntu on the Pro 5?
<ubptgbot> <Mathieu> No. The Pro 5 is in Flyme
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Mathieu, If you create a username in Telegram it is possible to invite you to other UBports groups, including install
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you will have to flash original Ubuntu Edition image on it before you can flash to ubports i think
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @dohbee, Yes. SPflashtool but that should never be used without guidance as it can hard brick (destroy) the  phone
<ubptgbot> <Mathieu86> @Stereofont, It's OK. I crÃ©ateur an username.
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Stereofont, I was wrong. MX4 yes, Pro5 no
#ubports 2018-03-10
<ubptgbot> <KrisJacewicz> @Flohack, i am in deed biased toward native apps, but I embrace all the choice there is
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @peternerlich, Expect kernels
<ubptgbot> <urielc> @KrisJacewicz was you able to compile TDesktop in ARM? â¦ what do you think about [this](https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/commit/9dc03c4f0f94485202d3947df981d35fce6fa4bd)
<ubptgbot> <KrisJacewicz> @urielc, no i was not able, i was trying on ubuntu mate desktop 16.04 on raspberry pi, and then i even emulated the raspi OS on desktop to increqse RAM. It was a strugle and I documented the entire process, in detqil, here:  â¦ http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2017/11/telegram-on-arm-raspi-and-ubuntu-touch-1.html
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> Can we expect to have 16.04 builds for Nexus 7 2013? or should I give up on it and install Android and play Chrono Trigger there? ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Javacookies, there are builds no?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> oh i guess not
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> yeah nope
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> it was my very first UT device and it's literally collecting dust ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> well there's a 15.04 image for it
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> better than my grouper, at least
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> You have a grouper n7?
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @dohbee, 15.04 ain't exciting anymore, I like trying out new stuffs....I used Silo installer there before
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> Does Camera work in any device (xenial)? N4 reboots every time when I start Camera app..
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> worked when I tried it on hammerhead last time..
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> [Edit] worked when I tried it on hammerhead/n5 last time..
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> Ok.
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> I try get some logs while crashing
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> @mateosalta, the goal is to be able to consult, save them on a remote server, to be able to visualize, the medical history in relation to a subject, to be able to visualize the measurements made by the connected objects on the subject, such as bracelet â¦ for a better follow-up.
<ubptgbot> <loic darling> hello ..
<ubptgbot> <TomasOqvist> @samitormanen, Works fine on the Pro 5, video too.
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> Ok Tomas, thanks.
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> how to remove click package from command line?
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> xenial n4 camera app seems to be deb instead of click. I installed click version and it runs but causes reboot when taking picture. deb version causes reboot when opening app..
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<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> Syslog for N4 Xenial camera crash (causing reboot). https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PKXwSXcJwz/
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Andi, Hello Andi. This link has lots if stuff about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
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<ubptgbot> <Kuro Syamito> Hi everyone. Total newbie here. I have installed all the necessary drivers, did the bootloader unlock, but the ubport installer fails to detect my nexus 4 at fastboot.
<ubptgbot> <Kuro Syamito> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/9uC2isVl.png
<ubptgbot> <Kuro Syamito> I am sort of stuck at this point.
<ubptgbot> <nanu_c> Kuro have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> Kuro : Try another version of the installer. I installed ubuntu touch yesterday using version 0.1.5-beta.... Good luck
<ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> On a nexus 5 from which I am writing right now
<ubptgbot> <libremax> https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2018/en/programm/beitrag/289 and nothing at https://www.ubports.com/fr_FR/event?date=month; keep your secret secret
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Not sure if I can spot my device's SD card in baobab/ gnome disk usage utility. Can anyone test and advise?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I mean I see the mount/ folder, but it says usage is at 38%, but it's a 128GB card and I certainly haven't used over a third of it so far. Will do a du test.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Yeah, right. 15GB used =11.7% =/= 38%.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Moreover, why isn't the SD card itself visible to the program? gnome-disk-utility sees the card, so I don't think the confinement of the container prevents the card from being seen? And yes I made sure it was mounted.
<ubptgbot> <mateosalta> @loic darling, Sounds neat, maybe qr scanning for the bracelet or barcode?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, I don't think the container can access `/dev/mmc*` or whatever it is. It's hard to say why you see what you see, without knowing exactly the full disk configuration and what you are seeing exactly, either
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/9000EsRm.png
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/uxFGUdCU.png
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @wayneoutthere, unfortunately yes
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> oh i see someone took care of the spammer already
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> It's a bit weird that what appears to be the root dir doesn't show all of it, right? Even if that's likely just the container's root.
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @dohbee, ha!  we are grouper twins.  can we do anything with this thing?  I've tried high and low....
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @wayneoutthere, use it for target practice?
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> even if i could UT with Telegram, ha.  it would have 1 piece of value.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, Is it is just me, or do your screenshots seem to always be unreadable? Like the fonts are messed up and some icons look cropped and such
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @wayneoutthere, not likely
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> IDK guy, just the default zoom level of Libertine on turbo (which is to say zoomed out)?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Looked at the pic myself in Telegram though and it looks ok to me if you zoom in.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, Are you scaling down the image? It's 1280x720 it seems
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Umm nope. Hit volume buttons, upload screenshot, profit.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Nothing more to my methodology than that.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, Open telegram web site and see what it looks like for you there maybe. I think if you look in the app locally, you still see the local file maybe
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> then maybe telegram scaled it or something, because i'm pretty sure turbo is higher resolution than 720p
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Kk.
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Would making click packages out of all of the apps I have also back up the data the apps have in them? I'm looking to try some Android ROMs before I settle on UT so I don't want to lose all the app data I have now
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Well yeah, looking at it in WT app it looks worse, sure. What would you suggest to do it better?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @AmolithSeregion, No. However, you can copy the entire `/data/user-data` folder from recovery and put it back later.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, Well I don't know why it's killing the quality like that, so I don't know. :(
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @UniversalSuperBox, What all does `user-data` encompass?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Your home folder
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Bug to file perhaps? Not sure if it would look any better blown up with miracast? And not all apps in Libertine allow you to zoom in.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @UniversalSuperBox, Sorry, I can't get more interesting than that. :P
<ubptgbot> <Gabriele> Hello can I ask you one thing? First: on nexus 5 and 16.04, it is ok that it can't update to newer ota version? It download very slowly and not applying it. Second: libertine works? I installed firefox chromium, pluma not working. Thank you
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, I don't think zoom matters. Even the text/icons in the indicator panel are messed up there
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @UniversalSuperBox, Lol. You said copy it from recovery; do you mean the recovery menu you can access from the bootloader?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, I guess you could post it as a file instead of a picture, perhaps?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @AmolithSeregion, Yep. Alternatively, it's just your home folder. I guess you could `rsync` or `scp` it straight from the running device.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> or tar it up
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it's better to do from recovery though
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> while device is on logs and stuff can still be written while you're copying it out
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> For the sake of argument, I can put disk usage on M10 and that might look better, dunno, and could show the problem the same way. Or maybe something about that device's configuration will be different to this.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> since you can't actually log out of the user, given we never really got multi-user stuff built
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/yD73KaOc.png
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/S58tTID9.png
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Try those on.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Gabriele, libertine is known to not work on 15.04 on n5, so i presume it doesn't work on 16.04 either
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> much better
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, Those all say 0% though. Where did you get the 38% numbers?
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> just to butt in,there seems to be really problem with images sent in telegram, they look good in the UT app but blurred in the web app...not sure with Android/iOS app
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, How do you do it from recovery? I don't see the option to
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> You'll need to log in with `adb shell`
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> to make sure it's running
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Then, on your computer just run `adb pull /data/user-data .` to put the whole folder in your current directory
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> right, that
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @UniversalSuperBox, Log in with `adb shell` on my computer or phone?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Computer. Your phone is in recovery. :P
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Oh lol :P
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Javacookies, It's bad looking at it on android too. So either it's getting scaled on server, or telegram ut app is doing some bad scaling for the upload to save data
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> probably telegram ut app is doing it
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> ah right, could be
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @UniversalSuperBox, `error: device not found`
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Interesting. Canonical device?
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @UniversalSuperBox, I can `cd` into `/data` and see `user-data` but `pull` isn't doing anything. No, it's UBports' version
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ok so adb is in fact working now?
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, Just a minute
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> iow you can `adb shell` with the phone in recovery and see what's in `/data/user-data` ?
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/EoGSgazW.gif
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> That is what is happening lol. A GIF is worth 10,000 words ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> so adb works yes
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> [Edit] That is what is happening lol. A GIF is worth 10,000 words :P
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you are running adb pull on the phone
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> that is wrong
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> on your computer
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> I am running it on my computer
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Right, you need to exit the shell first
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Sorry, I wasn't clear about that
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> make a new directory `mkdir -p phablet-backup && cd phablet-backup && adb pull /data/user-data .`
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @UniversalSuperBox, Oh so I execute `adb pull  /data/user-data` without running `adb shell`?
<ubptgbot> <Tedster> @dohbee, isn't the parents operator redundant there
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @AmolithSeregion, Yep
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @AmolithSeregion, and INSIDE AN EMPTY DIRECTORY
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> DO NOT DO IT INSIDE YOUR HOME DIRECTORY ON YOUR PC
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> IT WILL DESTROY YOUR PC'S DATA IF YOU DO
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, I made an empty directory called `phablet-backup` like you said lol
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ok good
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Why does it destroy everthing? Also, it's skipping a lot of files. Should it be?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> `-r` might be required
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @UniversalSuperBox, `adb pull -r`?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> well you don't want to overwrite the data in your home directory on your PC with the data from the home directory on your phone
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> that would be bad :)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yes adb pull -r
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, I mean why does `pull` overwrite everything in that directory?
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, `adb: usage: unrecognized option '-r'`
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> I think that behavior has changed in recent versions, but I guess I can't confirm that
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @AmolithSeregion, you are copying from the phone directory to the current directory you're running the adb pull command in
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> probably better to make a tarabll on the phone, then just pull the tarball
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> oh i guess adb pull doesn't have any options
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it should pull recursively by default
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> @dohbee it's confusing to navigate in these dirs but yesterday I did spot 38% next to mount.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, I would say just uninstall baobab :)
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Why is this file "special?" `/data/user-data/phablet/.config/dekko2.dekkoproject/tmp/qcop-server-0`
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I'll trg a competitor to it and see if that one works better.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> *try
<ubptgbot> <wjunior> @AmolithSeregion, adb pull /storage/*
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @AmolithSeregion, it's probably a unix socket. but you don't need a backup copy of it either
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-analyze-your-disk-usage-pattern-in-linux/
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @wjunior, please don't confuse the matter more :)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, what are you trying to achieve really though?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> are you just trying to get a pretty visualization of your hard disk sectors?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Pretty much. Clearly I know how to check on the command line, but it's cool to just click an app, read off and skip some typing.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but other than "cool visualization" what is the actual point of those things? i know my data is a disorganized mess, and i don't need a pretty graphic to tell me so. also lots of files installed by packages that never get opened. nothing much to be done about that really
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> "gee I wonder what my SD card usage is? System Settings tells me this for the phone's own storage, but not for the card. Neither does the file manager. Hmmm I know, cool and solution-geared Linux desktop software to the rescue!"
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Javacookies, Depends if you send them as file or as picture
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, So this sounds like a bug in system-settings. What happened to that external disks app though, that used to be in ut?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> That's pretty much it. Maybe I'm more visual than textual, so a bar or a radial line indicating usage tells me more immediately than a percentage. Or maybe even graphical plus a percentage is optimal.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> "External Drives" is right here on my N4
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Oh, sure it's still there, but all it does is format disks and unmounts them.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> oh it doesn't tell you how much storage they have?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I don't know if it's a bug with settings rather than the designers haven't enhanced it yet to allow tbat.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i've not had an ubuntu phone with any external storage, so i have no idea what it actually does :)
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> No it certainly doesn't. It's a formatter and unmounter, and sometimes feels buggy even for that.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ok
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Right, but even then you may have decided to rock a flash drive on USB OTG, and that would show you how it works too ofc.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, If you took my questioning to be rude, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way, I was just trying to understand what you're looking for exactly.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> And yeah, people shouldn't have to set up a libertine container and install some overly complicated disk analyzer to find out how much storage is being used (nor should they have to open terminal app and type `df -h` and figure out what is what)
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> No sir, I was just being explicit with what I want, and you were asking so indeed had to tell it to you exactly :) no shade taken.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> And a simple display like Android has, in settings, does seem exactly appropriate
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> I would strongly suggest you open an issue on github about that :)
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Well they shouldn't *have to* no, but I'm happy to have and take advantage of the option.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I will then :) (one day I will search for all the times others and I myself have suggesting logging issues and actually do them...)
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> *suggested
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Sorry, in turn, if my response sounded snarky, it wasn't meant to either.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Another enhancement I'd like, even if it has to be done app by app, is "ensure one of the principles of convergence by ensuring that the touchscreen keyboards never obscure key text/visual elements either in portrait or landscape mode" because right now that principle is not yet airtight.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't think that's feasible
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> at some point there is going to be something on the screen that is going to be covered by the keyboard, that someone thinks is important
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> But if I have to unlock rotation and swivel 90 degrees out of my prefered landscape into portrait then revert back after input/whatever is performed, well, that is irksome. And yes does prioritise/force use of physical keyboards.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> *yes it does
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yes, it is annoying
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Hmm, qdirstat doesn't seem to have a vivid repo, or an ARM build, or whatever. This saddens me :(
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/XPqMGlVv.png
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> On other systems this shows the disk usage and disk total, but on UT it's just the disk total. Maybe a setting needs kt be tweaked.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> *to
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i doubt you're going to get a useful reading for your sd card from an app in libertine
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> what does `df -h` say if you run it inside libertine?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> But I mean, it doesn't show disk usage for the internal disk either.
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Let's see.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> right, that's the point i was trying to make. the numbers are gong to be mostly meaningless, because you're inside a chroot
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Hi I compiled hybris-boot and system.img file of Halium. What I need to do to convert them into Ubuntu Touch?
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Do I need to test them first?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @redshaman, I think you should ask in the porting channel. You were invited to it already no?
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> IDK.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @redshaman, I would think so, yes, you should make sure the phone boots with your builds, so you don't waste time trying to get ubuntu booting, thinking the problem is somewhere it is not
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> The command doesn't seem to show the card.
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @dohbee, Okay. When installing AOSP based ROMs from recovery we don't need to backup personal data. Do I need to backup personal data before trying halium?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan, right, it shows mounts, and they're all bind mounts, inside the container, so it probably only sees those, and the "available" space is probably not right for them, depending on where they're originally from
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @redshaman, you always need to back up personal data if you care to keep it
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> @dohbee, thanks
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> and ubuntu is not a ROM, so if you want ubuntu working at some point, you're going to lose all the data on your device
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> so yes you should always back it up
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> (plus you have no idea what will actually happen, and a bug could erase all your data)
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Data that is not copy in three places at least is not important â¦ â Confucius
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ugh
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> the stereotyping of confucius is so racist, and just wrong :-/
<ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> ^how so?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> You can change it for Miley Cirus if you want ð â¦ (I don't see the problem, honestly)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> because it's white people trying to make themselves sound chinese, and with faux intellect appliec
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> applied
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> lol
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> miley is a white girl, so then it wouldn't be a racist stereotyping of chinese people and philosophies
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> that's how it's different
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> So you're assuming what color I am...
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> unless it was miley saying it in a faux chinese accent like "confucius say blah blah"
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> then it would obviously be racist
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @advocatux, did i say you were white? you can perform an act that was created by white people, and it's still a racist act, even if you're skin is brown
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i was simply pointing out that the faux confucius quotes are racist, because they are.
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Did I say you said I'm white? ð Anyway I think this is a cultural missunderstanding because that short fuse for everything remotely related to what someone think is related to race doesn't happen in most of the world. â¦ No offense intended.
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> And end of the OT for me
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @advocatux, Your previous comment made that implication yes. It's not a cultural misunderstanding.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> On-topic's in offtopic, off-topic's in on-topic
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it's all OT no matter where you go
<ubptgbot> Emmanuel Corno was added by: Emmanuel Corno
<ubptgbot> <Emmanuel Corno> Hi everyone
<ubptgbot> <RoccoOPO> https://merge-it.net/
<ubptgbot> <Emmanuel Corno> I'm looking for some help, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Touch on my Galaxy S2... Is it the right place?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @RoccoOPO, Any context on this?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @Emmanuel Corno, Supported devices are in the group description. The Galaxy S2 is not in the supported devices list, so you won't be able to install it.
<ubptgbot> <Emmanuel Corno> Ok! Thank you for your answer ð Have a nice day!
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, in italian, spam is called prosciutto?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Emmanuel Corno, Hi Emmanuel, take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Translated. It's an event that brings together digital culture / freedom organizations in Italy.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @RoccoOPO might have accidentally posted the link
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> I think so. It's an event supported by ubuntu-it
<ubptgbot> <RoccoOPO> @UniversalSuperBox, Open source community  meets in Turin (Italy)... They speaks also on Ubuntu touch... March 24 2018
<ubptgbot> <RoccoOPO> @UniversalSuperBox, No no
<ubptgbot> <RoccoOPO> Interesting... In any case!!!
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @RoccoOPO is a good idea to post some additional info, not just a link
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Besides the site is only in Italian in this case
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> When are they going to talk about Ubuntu Touch? I can't see that in the program
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @AmolithSeregion, Thats a nice terminal
<IvanSemkin[m]> Permanently moved to matrix
<ubptgbot> <RoccoOPO> @advocatux, Ubuntu Phone, la rinascita (the rebirth) at 11.30am in Turin at Politecnico of Turin
<ubptgbot> <RoccoOPO> March 24, 2018
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @RoccoOPO, Oh, thank you!
<ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @dohbee, yeah... unless i can put UT on it.. it's kind of dead to me.  It's a 'youtube viewer'
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/703Hhaum.png
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @PhoenixLandPirate, Register your nick with IRC
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> And authorize to Freenode services using Saslserv
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @UniversalSuperBox, I dont know what this is
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> https://gist.github.com/fstab/ce805d3001600ac147b79d413668770d
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @PhoenixLandPirate, This was my most recent post on reddit.com/r/unixporn (my favourite subreddit) â¦ https://imgur.com/a/cXifc
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @UniversalSuperBox, Do I have to register on irc first?
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Register a nick
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Yep
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Oh I was trying to register a Nick via @appservice-irc:matrix.org invited you
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @AmolithSeregion nice desktop
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @wayneoutthere we need more users!
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Fwd from Telegram News: We have increased the member limit for supergroups to 100,000. â¦ If you're looking to get more users in your community, the best strategy is to open a channel on Telegram. Channels are the perfect tool for broadcasting your messages to the masses because they can have an unlimited number of subscribers.
<ubptgbot>  â¦ With channels, you can broadcast important announcements to millions of people or post answers to the most popular questions from members of your supergroups. â¦ See this post for more info on channels: â¦ https://telegram.org/tour/channels
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @Flohack, I dont understand the appeal of channels, theyre less attractive versions of rss
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @PhoenixLandPirate, I agree
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> I dont know why they push them so hard
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> I know why, they got into issues of too many people chatting haha
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Telegram must burn a lot of money these days
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> True
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Channels are like the News feed that we have
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Not groups, which this is
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @UniversalSuperBox, Yeah but I dont use rss to chat with people so why would I use telegram to rss
<IvanSemkin[m]> Pavel Durov made it to the Forbes list, Telegram has enough money, trust me
<IvanSemkin[m]> that's what scares me. how do they earn money? i don't really trust telegram anymore
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @PhoenixLandPirate, Why are you using matrix to IRC to telegram?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @IvanSemkin[m], Same way all the other oligarchs do?
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @dohbee, Cos aparently you cant have both irc and matrix bridged to telegram.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> You can, but the bridge isn't very good at that
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> And it also creates hundreds to thousands of idler connections to IRC, which freenode staff hate.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Good ol' tgBot is much better at that.
<IvanSemkin[m]> i am also using a matrix to irc to telegram bridge btw @dohbee
<IvanSemkin[m]> you don't have to type my entire nickname btw, just "vanyasem" or "IvanSemkin" (w/o the [m] part) is enough to ping me
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/dNsORXc0.png
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @IvanSemkin[m], is matrix<->telegram bridge broken?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> It's not in this room
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> And they're also single-threaded in many cases, so times of high load mean delayed (to the order of 1-2 minutes) messages
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> not broken, or not bridged?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> gotta love developers who are afraid of threading
<IvanSemkin[m]> @dohbee not broken and not bridget
<IvanSemkin[m]> bridged
<IvanSemkin[m]> you can't have both at the same time
<IvanSemkin[m]> it's either Telegram <-> Matrix <-> IRC or Telegram <-> IRC <-> Matrix
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> well not bridged because it's broken, it seems
<IvanSemkin[m]> the last option (the current one) proved to be more stable
<IvanSemkin[m]> that's why it's used
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i do not understand that "you can't have both at the same time"
<IvanSemkin[m]> telegram bots can't read other bots message
<IvanSemkin[m]> you cant have an IRC <-> Telegram <-> Matrix bridge
<IvanSemkin[m]> it's either Telegram <-> Matrix <-> IRC or Telegram <-> IRC <-> Matrix
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't understand that
<IvanSemkin[m]> the last option (the current one) proved to be more stable
<IvanSemkin[m]> which part
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> repeating "you can't have" "it's either or" doesn't explain it, either
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @dohbee, interesting i wonder if its possible to make convergence work with usb screens tho would be nice
<IvanSemkin[m]> it's as simple as it gets
<IvanSemkin[m]>  > telegram bots can't read other bots message
<IvanSemkin[m]> telegram bots API doesn't allow bots to read other bots messages
<IvanSemkin[m]> i am not a fucking telegram devloper, i don't know why
<IvanSemkin[m]> telegram bots API is designed that way, how can i explain that?
<IvanSemkin[m]> should i contact telegram and ask that question for you? i won't do that for sure
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but honestly, if IRC isn't the main center piece for ubports, we should probably just cut it out
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> because people in telegram/matrix constantly post without concern of people reading from irc
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @IvanSemkin[m], you mean bot a can't read messages in group from bot b?
<IvanSemkin[m]> i agree with you on that one
<IvanSemkin[m]> yep, exactly
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Right
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it's not like they have to talk directly to each other
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i can understand bots not being able to talk to other bots in PM
<IvanSemkin[m]> and as matrix bridge and irc bridge are 2 separate bots, they just wouldn't relay each other's messages
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/mTLxpOjS.png
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but that is just stupid.
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Still doesn't want to work
<IvanSemkin[m]>  > <dohbee> it's not like they have to talk directly to each other
<IvanSemkin[m]> still, it's the way it's designed and implemented
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> bloody oligarchs ruin everything
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Mhmm. Possibly to avoid botspam.
<IvanSemkin[m]>  > <dohbee> but that is just stupid.
<IvanSemkin[m]> leave telegram to protest or get over it *shrugs*
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> yeah possibly
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> But you're still using telegram you're just using telegram through a different app
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> now only if there was a telegram discord bridge ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Fuseteam, no, i don't think USB driven displays will work, because that would be DisplayLink, which is proprietary
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ugh discord
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> there's a matrix, discord bridge which ID like to use
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @dohbee, :(
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> i most active on discord what can i say lol
<IvanSemkin[m]> sad
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Discord is great, non stop shitposting
<IvanSemkin[m]> it's proprietary and evil
<IvanSemkin[m]> even worse that telegram
<IvanSemkin[m]> shame on you
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah, it's full of gamers
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> hence the "ugh discord"
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> so much so if you guys need staff for discord i can help out haha
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> or i should say "gamers"
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> <airquotes>gamers</airquotes>
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @dohbee, Nah just 4Chan users
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> and i'm not a gamer haha
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @PhoenixLandPirate, that's what i said
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> nor a 4 chan user :smirk:
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> But that's why its good
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> the easy part is the channels lol
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @ubports_ot is on matrix too guys
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah, it's easy to tell who the nazis are
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it's everyone
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ki2jQkR3.mp4
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @dohbee, Wtf are you on about
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> channel and permission management is easy haha
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Til Nazis through nude women into liquid cheese
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> through?
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> oh my
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @dohbee, ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Fuseteam, i'm not clear on what you mean by "convergence" there either (it's a very vague term, and most everyone uses it to mean different things, even just talking about ubuntu on phones)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @PhoenixLandPirate, You meant threw? ð
<ubptgbot> c4trololo was added by: c4trololo
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> i mainly mean turning a phone into a desktop haha
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> @Flohack, Yes
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Fuseteam, it would have to be a really big and sturdy phone to hold all the stuff i have sitting on top of my desk
<ubptgbot> <c4trololo> hello everybody
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> imagine a usb hub connected via usb otg
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack, Hard to know. Maybe he was talking about some Nazi phase change research
<ubptgbot> <c4trololo> im sorry if i'm wrong but is this the UBPorts first responder team?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @c4trololo, I responded first ð
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> and everything else connected via that usb hub to the phone
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Fuseteam, ok, you can do that today
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> including the monitor :p
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you just can't use it to move slimport/mhl to a hub or connect a display with displaylink
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Fuseteam, get a phone that is compatible with a slimport dock, which has slimport, and a usb hub, so you can connect monitor and usb devices
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> but that is not the same as a usb otg cable and a usb hub :)
<ubptgbot> <c4trololo> recently im having difficulties with installing UT on my Nexus 5. the UBports Installer is not recognizing my device even tho im already in bootloader mode. im using a windows 10 laptop
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> only most phone's don't have slimport or MHL haha
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Fuseteam, and they don't have displaylink either
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> yeah i realized that the moment you mentioned displaylink
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Seems the only Linux to really get "good" DisplayLink is Chrome OS. Pretty sure it's a proprietary driver that they build in.
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> hmm, is the samsung dex station slimport i wonder
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Nope, it's just DisplayPort over USB type-C
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @c4trololo, do you have fastboot installed? tho it might be easier for you to visit the welcome channel
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> tho i keep forgetting the link to it....
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> displayport hmmm
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> ooh
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/how-to/wip-samsung-s8-dex-dex-station-t3605933
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> looks like the dex might just be slimport dock
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> haha it is
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Any possible ways to get files from closed google cloud instance?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> $80-100 though :-/
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> They closed it due to expired card
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> damn
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Actually I have more than 200$ in my free tier
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> wait is displaylink slimport and mhl a driver?
<ubptgbot> <redshaman> Tried to add virtual visa card but they don't accept it
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> slimport and mhl are competing technologies
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> displaylink is a weird thing that's sort of similar
<ubptgbot> <c4trololo> @Fuseteam, thanks for the help, is the welcome channel are here on telegram? and yes i do have fastboot installed
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> yes it is uh there should be a link in here somewhere
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @WelcomePlus
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> there ya go haha
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> well i've heard they are technologies but what enables them
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> mhl and slimport are built into the phone
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> so a piece of hardware
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> displaylink i guess is on the monitor side, but i don't know really. i've never actually encountered such a monitor in the real world
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> only people asking about drivers on ask ubuntu, which led me to find out that newer drivers are proprietary only
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> you've never encountered a usb monitor hmm
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> i've actually encountered one and only one
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> hence why i asked haha
<ubptgbot> <c4trololo> @dohbee, thanks a lot sir!
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Im still trying to join irc :(
<PhoenixLandPira1> Hats
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> I got this far
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> That's pretty close
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> I cant get any closer :(
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Yeah, your full nickname is too long so you can't use it as an IRC nick.
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> So I cant connect my matrix to that irc account?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Yes, you need to register a valid nick on IRC
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Which you now have, PhoenixLandPira1
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Now you need to configure the Matrix bridge to use that nick for you
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Ive been trying to link my matrix to that,
<ubptgbot> <Schyken> @dohbee, <3
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> actually an IRC discord bridge sounds awesome too ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> go for it
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i tried using an irc bridge for a slack some years ago. it was one of the worst experiences ever
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @dohbee, There is a linux displaylink driver. Asus have a very nice plug-in monitor
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Stereofont, yes. it is proprietary
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> I don't know if that would go back to our Android kernels, though... Is it supported only on 16.04 and 14.04?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> the open source driver in the kernel is very old
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Also, I'd expect Mir to give issues
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> the latest driver is proprietary and i don't think it's for arm
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> That'd be a show-stopper
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> we probably couldn't ship it even if it was
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> there seems to be a trend towards thunderbolt for display though
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> which is also annoying
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> I think you're thinking of DisplayPort over USB-C
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Which is part of the standard
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> nope
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> thunderbolt is amazing for audio but not for display..
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i'm talking about Thunderbolt branded
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @malditobastardo, eh? 40 Gbps seems plenty good for display
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> 17.10 and 16.04 driver update released on Thursday by Displaylink
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> yeah it is but I hate just having a few thunderbolt ports to connect devices and one of them being a display ð¹
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> expensive to buy a hub
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @Stereofont, Got a link?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27MD5KA-B-5k-uhd-led-monitor
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> http://www.displaylink.com/downloads/ubuntu
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> I/O says "Thunderbolt 3 x1"
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i'm going to be pretty sad if the new lg ultrawide also only does thunderbolt
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> the picture on the web site does have an osx screenshot on the display too :(
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> ð¹ð¹
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> Thunderbolt works on any linux distro?
<ubptgbot> leoaslan was added by: leoaslan
<ubptgbot> <leoaslan> Hello everybody
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @leoaslan, Hello Hussain. This link tells you more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @malditobastardo, I don't know if displays work, I guess they might. But Thunderbolt is only on some Intel systems. My Ryzen build won't have it
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> and the GPUs don't have thunderbolt either, of course
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> anyway this is getting off topic
<ubptgbot> <leoaslan> i got three devices xperia x, lenovo A1000 and moto c, can anyone assit me in installing ubuntu on anyone of these
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @leoaslan, I don't remember if any of them are undergoing Halium 'treatment'
<ubptgbot> <leoaslan> @Stereofont, Any chance for atleast xperia x
<ubptgbot> <leoaslan> i m desprate to see ubuntu on my phone
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Definitely not about installing. The question is porting
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Moto G2 Titan has a port
<ubptgbot> <leoaslan> i tried to install ubuntu on A1000 today but endup with nothing, anyways i m not a developer but i will be joining patreon as a contribution from my end
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you cannot install ubuntu on a phone it has not been ported to
<ubptgbot> <leoaslan> Okay :(
<ubptgbot> <leoaslan> i m planning to buy nexus 5
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Sony Xperia L is getting some love
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @leoaslan, If you are not able to port, that or the G2 would be good
<ubptgbot> <leoaslan> okay then i will get a G2
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/experimental-ubuntu-touch-titan-t3608846
<ubptgbot> <leoaslan> @Stereofont, Oops moto g2 is hard to find
<ubptgbot> <leoaslan> i can get a nexus 5 easily
<ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> go for the N5
<ubptgbot> Marc Unger was added by: Marc Unger
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> nexus 5 would probably be better supported, too
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> 1400 members soon. How could be pass 1337
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> [Edit] 1400 members soon. How could we pass 1337
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Flohack, ich bin uber-1337 ? :P
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, Get a keyboard with Umlauts plz Ã¤Ã¶Ã¼ ð
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i'm sure i could enable international keyboard, and then hate myself
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> hahaha... be my guest, I have now Spanish keyboards, and last year we had french. Type passwords without locking out yourself
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i would be using us-intl, but it screws up the ; : and ' " keys
<ubptgbot> <Danjreynolds> Fun fact, upgraded from 15.04 to 16.04 and my calendar events were deleted :s haha
<ubptgbot> <Danjreynolds> Fortunately I restored the events
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan https://github.com/ubports/system-settings/issues/6
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Danjreynolds, How did you "upgrade" exactly?
<ubptgbot> <Zack> Is the Ubuntu port available for HTC 10?
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Zack, Not available yet but work is being done. It may be soon â¢
<ubptgbot> <Zack> Awesome! ðð
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> I don't mean next week but first half of this year is possible?
<ubptgbot> <Zack> Well that is quite an accomplishment! Since it is the community doing all of this
<ubptgbot> <Zack> It is really cool
<ubptgbot> <Zack> I can't wait on the new version of Ubuntu 16 to be stable
<ubptgbot> <Zack> And anbox to run on Ubuntu devices
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> A lot of work is also being done by Halium porters, not just for UT but for other phone operating systems too
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Zack, That is the top priority. If everything else has to go a little slower to make that happen, so be it
<ubptgbot> <Zack> Halium Porters? For what kind of phone OS?
<ubptgbot> <Zack> @Stereofont, Is it also expected to be ready in the first half year?
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Halium underlies Ubuntu Touch on 16.04. It provides a compatibility layer. It can also provide compatibility for e.g. Purism OS
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Zack, Bugs are falling like flies. That makes new bugs visible. The overall movement is forward though. It is all new so nothing is guaranteed. Very encouraging progress though
<ubptgbot> <Zack> @Stereofont, That is all that matters, if it is going forward, it is going the right direction haha we have to be patient
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Zack, +1 The unexpected has to be expected
<ubptgbot> <Zack> ð
<ubptgbot> sayedibnmasud was added by: sayedibnmasud
<vanyasem> welcome
#ubports 2018-03-11
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Is 16.04 stable enough to use as a daily driver yet? I don't mind bugs as long as the core functionality (texting, calling, WiFi, Bluetooth) is stable.
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @sayedibnmasud, Welcome, Sayed! Check out this link to get you started! https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Depends what device and you dont know when things will break
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @PhoenixLandPirate, Nexus 5
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> I'd like to contribute some bug reports but I only have one phone
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> In that case, I'd recommend you wait until a stable release is rolled
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> last time I tried it things mostly worked but I didn't test cellular
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> but most non-included apps didn't work and yeah
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> if it's your daily driver not the best idea
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> Alright, thank you!
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Open store still doesn't work, nore telegram, and a couple of days ago an update made it so we had to reflash the phone so itd boot
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> sorry
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> :(
<ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> But hopefully it shouldnt be to long, some apps just nerd a recompile to work on 16.04
<ubptgbot> rober was added by: rober
<ubptgbot> <samitormanen> is it normal that in xenial, kernel spits everything to syslog?
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @dohbee, ohw come on the compose key does a good job :^3
<ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> resolving that issue that is lol
<ubptgbot> <AmolithSeregion> @rober, Welcome Roberto! Take a look at this link to get you started: https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
<ubptgbot> dad_and_alive was added by: dad_and_alive
<ubptgbot> <dad_and_alive> Joe and Wayne have triggered my conscience in the latest audiocast. I realize I have been 'lurking' for too long now, and I would want to somehow move up to the 'contributer' category. What would be a good place to start contributing?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dad_and_alive, What are your skills?
<ubptgbot> <dad_and_alive> Good question. I have some programming, analysis and PM experience, but wouldn't dare to call me an expert in any of those domains. And in any case, I have -alas- near to no C++ experience and no QML experience at all.  I do consider myself to have a fairly good eye for detail and I like troubleshooting and code analysis. And
<ubptgbot> my English is OK. Maybe I can somehow apply these high-level skills to the project's benefit, while meanwhile getting a grip on the code and coding procedures/techniques?
<ubptgbot> nandanrmenon was added by: nandanrmenon
<ubptgbot> <nandanrmenon> Hello
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dad_and_alive, Hmm the usual path would be then to start with bug confirmation / QA quality improvements maybe?
<ubptgbot> <dad_and_alive> @Flohack, Sounds great to me. I guess I could indeed start going through the list of hammerhead (my device, as daily driver) bugs.
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Yes and look for the one with "needs confirmation" first. We got a lot of unconfirmed bugs that we need to get on :)
<ubptgbot> <dad_and_alive> OK, will do. Thanks for the advice!
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @nandanrmenon, Hi Nandan, check out this https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
<ubptgbot> <sbjabire> @Stereofont, Please, it is not clear to me. U mean there is Ubports Africa group?
<ubptgbot> <rober> @AmolithSeregion, thanks
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @sbjabire, Hi, it means we are testing the waters to see if there is enough people, and interest, to form a group/s
<ubptgbot> Manu K Nath was added by: Manu K Nath
<ubptgbot> <sbjabire> @advocatux, 9ce ideaðð¼
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Manu K Nath, Hi Manu, go to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @sbjabire, We already have an Arabic group
<ubptgbot> Masterjaguar was added by: Masterjaguar
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Masterjaguar, Hi Master Jaguar, you can go to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
<ubptgbot> <Giampy_DAntonio> Is there another solution without switch to devel? The problem is this https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/376
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Hi @Giampy_DAntonio AFAIK the only solution for now is to switch to devel channel and then to stable again
<ubptgbot> <Giampy_DAntonio> @advocatux, ok, thanks!
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/9SJLX8t8.webp
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> [Edit] Hi @Giampy_DAntonio AFAIK the only solution for now is to switch to devel channel and then back to stable again
<ubptgbot> <unknown> @Giampy_DAntonio, I don't know anything about this but as far as I understand flashing the whole image would fix it too
<ubptgbot> Rasmus was added by: Rasmus
<ubptgbot> <Giampy_DAntonio> @unknown, I solved it switching to devel and after to stable!!!
<ubptgbot> <sbjabire> @Stereofont, That's greatðð¼
<ubptgbot> <c4trololo> @Giampy_DAntonio, would switch to devel from stable wipe the phone up?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @c4trololo, No
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Rasmus, Hi Rasmus, see this https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
<ubptgbot> <c4trololo> @Flohack, ok thanks sir im still learning about UT and hopefully about Linux itself. because in android if we switch rom build we have to wipe
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> What is the status of Unity8 on the desktop? I know it's not a daily driver & needs a mir update to support Wayland apps but I mean for development. I would be interested in userland/qml stuff but I am far from fluent in C++/low level graph stack.
<ubptgbot> <Giampy_DAntonio> @c4trololo, In Italia diciamo:"Questo Ã¨ Ubuntu, non pizza e fichi di CanicattÃ¬!". â¦ In Italy we said:"This is Ubuntu, not pizza and figs of CanicattÃ¬!". (CanicattÃ¬ is a little town in Italy)
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Rasmus, This is the last info from @alan_griffiths https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1023/no-more-mir-egl-on-1804lts-bionic
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> I have seen that and WebDrakes ongoing Mir work. But I can't figure out if trying to get it running right now is feasible or if it's just a waist of time until that work is merged
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> [Edit] I have seen that and WebDrakes ongoing Mir work. But I can't figure out if trying to get it running right now is feasible or if it's just a waste of time until that work is merged
<ubptgbot> <Lyokanthrope> It works under 16.04 I believe..
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> New telegram app update since yesterday!
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> I got 128 downloads right now, cmon peopel you can do better
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> [Edit] I got 128 downloads right now, cmon people you can do better
<ubptgbot> <mimecar> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0qZsV95A.webp
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> lol
<ubptgbot> <mimecar> ððð
<ubptgbot> <alan_griffiths> @Rasmus, If you don't use qt based apps from the Ubuntu archive, then it will run on 16.04. But for 18.04 it doesn't hang together. The various parts can likely be run in isolation, but need to be "wired up" in a new configuration. â¦ It is experimental though, don't try it on your main system.
<ubptgbot> <popescu_sorin> @Flohack, 129 :P
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Thx. Also I got 2 irritating reports about no msgs being shown, and constant loss of connection, plz confirm if you encounter this
<ubptgbot> <popescu_sorin> works fine for now
<ubptgbot> <David_Gamiz_Jimenez> Thanks for the update @Flohack  :)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> np welcome ;)
<ubptgbot> <David_Gamiz_Jimenez> Right now for me all OK. Well, always somethig to improve. But, whit the notifications run well all rest is enought for me.  :D
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @Flohack, Yay!
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @Flohack, Oh
<ubptgbot> <David_Gamiz_Jimenez> @Flohack, It possible happens... I mean, when you change form wifi to data phone whit Telegram run, sometimes this not can be get data interntet... the fast solution is close telegram. And on/off data phone and/or on/off wifi. I think is a issue whit net api in general.
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> (Photo, 920x1136) https://irc.ubports.com/MJpSTJNF.png
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, Well the reports are that the device constantly looses connection when coming out of sleep, and that supergroups show no messages anymore sometimes. However, I tested myself and with some other people, we did not nitce that
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> @alan_griffiths, Thanks! I will get a VM with 16.04 then  and try tp get ot running
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Not noticing any problems here @Flohack
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Did you change some visual things? Something looks different to me, bit I canât put my finger on it
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> [Edit] Did you change some visual things? Something looks different to me, but I canât put my finger on it
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> *reads release notes* ah.
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Still go gif support though, or is that a feature? ð
<ubptgbot> <David_Gamiz_Jimenez> @YougoChats, ðð¼
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> [Edit] Still no gif support though, or is that a feature? ð
<ubptgbot> <David_Gamiz_Jimenez> Well: Gifs, more options control groups, hooked messenges, filters search, general search, phone call... This stuff is missing... but not essential to day by day, at last for me XD Maybe right now, whit the official API library support by Telegram in future version can see something of this :D
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Kids these days communicate solely through GIF
<ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Emoticons are so 2010
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/ElByCXGp.png
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> Listening to @neothethird at Chemnitzer Linux Days
<ubptgbot> <unknown> Is the event being recorded? ð¥
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> I don't know, but it's in German anyways
<ubptgbot> <unknown> I'm German and your photo looks really interesting to me
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> I'll ask afterwards
<ubptgbot> <unknown> Thank you - would be great
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> ooh, dropping the bomb in front of the audience
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/ITspMTHG.png
<ubptgbot> <unknown> I wish I could be there ð¤©
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @YougoChats, Gif support is unfortunately bound to the api. We are too low still ;)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, What are hooked msgs?
<ubptgbot> <unknown> @peternerlich, If not: please ask if he could publish his slides ð
<ubptgbot> <David_Gamiz_Jimenez> @Flohack, In Goups no?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> I dont understand hooked xD
<ubptgbot> <David_Gamiz_Jimenez> Sorry. Anchored
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Ahh pinned xD
<ubptgbot> <David_Gamiz_Jimenez> This! XD
<ubptgbot> <David_Gamiz_Jimenez> LOL
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @alan_griffiths, We'll unity8 will still run ok on 16.04, but at apps from Ubuntu archive might not. You can even install clicks on 16.04 x86.
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @sbjabire, http://t.me/UBports_Arabic
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> @unknown, yes, it will be uploaded sometime in the next >2 days and will be found via some small icon that is to appear on https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2018/en/programm/beitrag/289 or the program overview
<ubptgbot> <unknown> Thank you :-)
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @alan_griffiths, [Edit] Well unity8 will still run ok on 16.04, but at apps from Ubuntu archive might not. You can even install clicks on 16.04 x86.
<ubptgbot> <lduboeuf> @unknown, ð
<ubptgbot> Saikol was added by: Saikol
<ubptgbot> <Saikol> Good how ubuntu touch could adapt my device to someone can guide me what should I learn or where to start please?
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Saikol, Hi Saikol, read this https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed â¦ There's a Spanish group too https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
<ubptgbot> <Saikol> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/jPvL8Ohg.webp
<ubptgbot> <C_Chat> Welcome Saikol, not beeing sure what you are exactly asking for, if you want to install ubuntu touch on your device you should look at https://ubports.com/ - you will find a list of devices which work. Also there is the Ubuntu Touch Q&A channel, you will find the link there - this was very helpful for me at the start !
<ubptgbot> <Michele> test
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Ok works. NOw need to release a minor update meh ð
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> It happens in the best families ð
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> So did you test?
<ginggs> Hi! I have an Aquaris E5 HD Ubuntu Edition device, still with Ubuntu 15.04 (OTA-15). What can I install on it?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @ginggs, First you need to switch to our version of UT
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> The other one is no longer supported
<ginggs> is it possible to change repositories, or do I need to flash the device?
<ubptgbot> <Jo_Led> Nice! Finally another Telegram update, and it's looking good! Still missing the memberlist for Supergroups and the @gif Giphy search and gif support. Good job and thanks to thosr responsible!
<ubptgbot> FreeGarlicBread was added by: FreeGarlicBread
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @ginggs, You can use the UBports Installer to install Ubuntu Touch on it
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @ginggs, You need to flash the device, but you don't necessarily need to wipe the phone in the process. If you have developer mode enabled and can see the phone with adb from your PC, you should be able to just flash with the ubports-installer to the new version
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @FreeGarlicBread, Hi Bread, go to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Flohack, I haven't had any problem with Telegram v2.5.3.0 Running now v2.5.3.1 in both my phones
<ubptgbot> <FreeGarlicBread> Is it okay to speak of Librem 5 here?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> in what sense?
<ubptgbot> <FreeGarlicBread> Well just talking about the future of GNU/Linux on mobile overall?
<ubptgbot> <FreeGarlicBread> [Edit] Well just talking about the future of GNU/Linux on mobile overall.
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Well right now it's still a concept phone, but I suppose so
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Maybe in the OT channel?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> If you're looking to talk about philisophical kind of stuff, we have an offtopic groâ yeah, that
<ubptgbot> <FreeGarlicBread> @UniversalSuperBox, Can I have a link to that?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> oh my the ubuntu-push code is confusing, when you actually try to look at it
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @FreeGarlicBread, @ubports_ot
<ginggs> @Flohack @dohbee @UniversalSuperBox thanks! i used UBports Installer, all done!
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> with the new telegram update, what does blue means in the messages I sent?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Sent but not read
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> it's still blue ð
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> I exited this chat and returned but still the same...what's the requirement for it to be tagged as read?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> No, read by others. Plus the problem is, in channels and supergorups its not reliable
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Its the same like before with the checkmarks, but there it was not so obvious
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it's not using the one/two checkmarks for that?
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> oh I see.....TBH I like blue than green ð
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @popescu_sorin you owe me something, my last message on feb 27 is still blue...read it! ð
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> @dohbee, it's new in the latest update
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Javacookies, i gathered that. but i think it should use the checkmarks for consistency with web/android/ios/official qt apps
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> Â¯\_(ã)_/Â¯
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, We made an experiment ;)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Feedback was good
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> I like it, no need to be consistent with the official one as long as it's a better experience
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> yep
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Flohack, It means read by 'someone' in a group, so not especially useful ð
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> can I just use blue for everything? it's more pleasant to my eyes LOL
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Stereofont, Yeah but this is Telegrams paradigma
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Javacookies, LOL
<ginggs> I did lose my Gmail client and didn't find it in the store, what is recommended for email?
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Dekko2
<ginggs> @Stereofont thanks
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> Dekko2 is doing great for me though still complete
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> If using Gmail you need to authorise Dekko in the Google settings
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> *not
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> the gmail thing was just a webapp
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it should still be installed though
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> maybe it was using an old framework? but i don't think any frameworks were removed since the last canonical images
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> weird
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> I remember someone saying you can turn on "secured apps only" in google and still work in Dekko, anyone tried that?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Javacookies, i guess you'd have to create an app password for gmail then
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> or is it using oauth?
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> I always get emails about someone having my password whenever I open Dekko ð
<ubptgbot> <Javacookies> hmmm, so you can do that in gmail? separate password per app?
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Javacookies, You allow allegedly 'less secure apps' or select Dekko from a list. Something like that. In the Gmail account, not in Dekko settings
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> @Flohack, If your message is for someone (with @), may you know if he has read it?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @Cesar_Herrera, Nope
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Cesar_Herrera, In a PM, yes. In a group chat, no.
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> Thanks
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Ok I need to make a 2nd patch for Telegram today. some obscure connection issues appeared ð
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/SfEkFr6s.png
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> @Flohack, If I have eliminated the push client with "stop ubuntu-push-client" and start the Telegram app, after 4 seconds it appears all the icons of supergroups in violet colour althow it is wifi or data activated. It i imposible entering the supergroups. You can enter them with WebTelegram.
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> the push client has nothing to do with this
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> New version in a few minutes, plz update
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> Thanks
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> Third time's is a charm ð¤
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> @Flohack, Whith 2.5.3.2 I have the same problem.
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> hmm no idea
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> In the worst case plz reset your config folder
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> A cache problem?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Maybe the database index creation has side effects no idea
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> No I modified the sqlite db also in this release
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> But should not be a problem rly
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> I have the new version running in my two phones and so far, so good
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> Yes except that some users got an invalid IP cached in the local setup, and that combined with my new network reconnection thread kills your connection every 2nd or 3rd time you wake up from sleep lol
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> @Flohack, I deleted it with Tweak Tool, and the same. I don't know how am I the only one with this problem.
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> yes me neither ;)
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> After deleting config and/or cache you have to reboot your phone
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> hmm in any case plz trry to give me a log file with the logviewer upload to pastebin
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> @advocatux, yes and reboot.
<ubptgbot> <advocatux> ð
<ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> @dohbee, Isn't this only possible if a x86 click exists? I thought at least 99% in the openstore are ARM only?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @demokrit atomos, No. Most are pure qml or just webapps, which work on any architecture (where unity8 stack can run). True you can't install the clicks that are only built for ARM, but many others can be installed just fine
<ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> Cool thx for the clarification!
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> you'll have to build open store from source, as the click for it is ARM only right now; but you can download click files using firefox for example, and then just run `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted foo.click` to install them
<ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> Hm, i have tried a little bit of this a few months ago but with yunit atop of 16.04 not woth the ubports unity 8 stuff and it did not work as intended... (i think there is some post in the forum were i described my hacking) however i allways just built locally without taking the "detour" of click packages and i think this sh
<ubptgbot> ould improve system integration right?
<ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> One last question about this, then you have uour peace again ;-p should i use clickable to built x86 clicks that i want to try on say a x86 tablet or what tool would you recommend? (Dont know whether clickable supports building for non-ARM...)
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> It does. Simply use `clickable --desktop`
<ubptgbot> <JBBgameich> It will build an amd64 click, if the manifest.json supports it as well
<ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> Great thanks again!!
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @demokrit atomos, well click packages aren't a detour, they're they correct way to install apps for unity8. compiling locally doesn't provide better system, no.
<ubptgbot> <popescu_sorin> @Javacookies, i haz no message from 27, last is on 26 and i;m telegram desktop :P
<ubptgbot> <Field10pg> Thanks Florian for new telegram versiÃ³n
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> hmm still fighting issues with it, praise me later lol
<ubptgbot> <Field10pg> Lol lol lol lol
<ubptgbot> <Field10pg> More
<ubptgbot> <Field10pg> ?
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> DUnno yet. I got a few but severe reports about different symptoms
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Seems okay on FP2
<ubptgbot> <Field10pg> Ok in bq. E4.5
<ubptgbot> <kutlay1653> What is this
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @kutlay1653, It is premature ð
<ubptgbot> <kutlay1653> ð
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Just a thank you
<ubptgbot> <dad_and_alive> @Flohack not sure it is linked to the update, but secret chat is acting weird: after creatinh a new secret chat, and sending some messages to myself from the other party, I get notifications of new messages, but when I open the secret chat only the message 'waiting for user to appear online' is shown.
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Cesar_Herrera has still issues
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dad_and_alive, Secret chat is broken since long time. Not compatible with Android & iOS anymolre. Could work sometimes between UT however ;)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee, this I like
<ubptgbot> <dad_and_alive> @Flohack Ok, thanks.  That's a pity, I guess. Fyi, the other client was Windows 10 mobile
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dad_and_alive, We are behind the protocol. It was never updated and soon broken after 06/2016 or so.
<ubptgbot> <dad_and_alive> @Flohack ... well, then Windows 10 must have had the same protocol lag, because UT-Windows secret communication was still working fine until 1 to 2 months ago (don't remember exact last usage date). Thanks for the info!
<ubptgbot> <Radu> Hey, folks! â¦ Just created a group for Unity8, if anyone's interested â¦ https://t.me/joinchat/FrN-Hg_6_rVeZzZmgfBOjA
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> There already is one
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @ubports_unity
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> [Edit] @ubports_unity8
<ubptgbot> Nachhilfe was added by: Nachhilfe
<ubptgbot> <Radu> oh, didnt know. ignore it, then
<ubptgbot> <Nachhilfe> Is this UBports group only in english, or does there exist a german one?
<ubptgbot> <peternerlich> @UBports_DEUTSCH
<ubptgbot> <Nachhilfe> oh, danke :)
<opendata> Is there any progress on an Oreo halium
<opendata> (that can work with ubports)
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @opendata, Maybe ask in the halium group xD
<opendata> I have
<opendata> Just asking here aswell
<opendata> I need it for stuff to work with drm_hwcomposer, gbm_gralloc and mesa
<ubptgbot> <C_Chat> Hello, is there a master / secure way to backup all data and OS of my BQ Aquaris E5 ? I would like to install Android ð - temporarily - need to use it for work in two weeks. After that I would like to reinstall Ubuntu Touch  â Well I have done this before, but had to reinstall all and data was lost.
<ubptgbot> <Flohack> @C_Chat, You need to backup 2 folders in recovery
<ubptgbot> <C_Chat> Thank You, will give it a try.
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> @UniversalSuperBox  What's the meaning of Â¯\_(ã)_/Â¯  ?
<ubptgbot> <Daniel> hello, is there any proper app for playing audio files on ubuntu touch? I was looking through open store but they are all for streaming and radios.. the original music app stopped functioning and then could not locate it in the open store anymore.. I really made use of this one.. Thanks for any tips;)
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Cesar_Herrera, It us a shrug. 'Dunno'
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Cesar_Herrera, [Edit] It is a shrug. 'Dunno'
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> @Stereofont, Sorry but I don't get it. Perhaps my age.
<opendata> It really would be better if I could just skip hallum
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Eyes, face, hands
<ubptgbot> <Cesar_Herrera> @Stereofont, Thanks.
<opendata> But according to a guy that isn't possible
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> If you built your own rootfs, maybe it'd kinda work
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> But that's not tested yet, sorry
<opendata> Pretty sure he said the system relied really heavily onnit
<opendata> His nick began with d
<opendata> That's all I can remember
<opendata> Here
<opendata> <dohbee> @opendata, The ubuntu phone builds are pretty heavily dependent on going through the Android HAL to talk to hardware. There's currently no way to build the stack in a way that works reasonably well both with hybris and without, afaik
<opendata> Hmm
<opendata> I have a working alarm
<opendata> Are there ubports packages for that
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Right, you would need a separate build
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Whole separate rootfs
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> The ubports repo seems to miss several packages needed to install unity8 on desktop Xenial, for example qtbase-abi-5-9-0 and unity-application-impl-22
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> Hmm, there seems to be very different packages for i386 and amd64. Is only one supported? And if so, which one?
<ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Only amd64 is supported
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> It's amd64 I'm using so then it is not that
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work. qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artuful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> [Edit] Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work. qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> [Edit] Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work_ qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> [Edit] Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work? qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Rasmus, qt 5.9 is provided by the ubports repo, and i think that is a virtual package
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @opendata> <dohbee, right, you'd need to rebuild a bunch of stuff using your own packaging repository, and probably patch a bunch of stuff as well, to not use the hybris android bits
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> because all that is pre-selected in the ARM builds now
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> even the x86 packages don't currently get rid of libhybris entirely
<opendata> Hmm
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> the right fix would be to make everything runtime selectable
<opendata> Would that be easier than porting halium to o
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i have no idea
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> Ah, qtbase-abi-5-9-0 isn't provided at all though neither in xenial nor in xenial_-_mir26
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> qtbase-abi-5-9-2 seems to be provided though
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> i guess something needs rebuilt then
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> qtbase-abi-5-9-0 is actually provided by an older version of libqt5core5a but installing that version manually does not help as other packages needs the newer version. Seems like some packages have been upgraded but others not
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> Oh it seems to be xenial_-_mir26 that is not up to speed with xenial
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yeah you shouldn't use the mir26 repo
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> The install script does add it though
<ubptgbot> <Rasmus> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools/master/install.sh
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> hmm
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Fwd from advocatux: @Stereofont another bug report with the same file. This is 39 minutes old only. Something is wrong with the file server probably â¦ https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/126
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> The third one of these, using the installer
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Stereofont, that is the installer using the wrong path separator
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> pool/
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> ?
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> yes the `/` characters in there need to be `\` on windows
<ubptgbot> <dohbee> it's not fixing up the path to use the right separators
<ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Learn something new every day ð
#ubports 2020-03-02
<Fuseteam> calamity sorry that's not currently possible
<Fuseteam> mozzwald you may need some app armor patches, application cannot be run from the terminal under mir
<mozzwald> Fuseteam: I did manage to get the correct kernel config with apparmor and apps are working fine now, thanks
<mozzwald> now I am trying to debug dialing out with the pinephone. incoming calls work, but not outgoing
<Fuseteam> are you.....alex on telegram?
<mozzwald> nope, I'm mozzwald everywhere and I'm not on telegram
<Fuseteam> Ah a guy on telegram talks about the same issue with calls hence the question
<mozzwald> hm, maybe I need to get on telegram since that seems to be where the action is :)
#ubports 2020-03-03
<parrotlover> Hi
#ubports 2020-03-06
<tertl3> hi
<nooodlesnodes_1> just have acer switch, surface knockoff, and want to know how to make it launch an onscreen keyboard when the physical keyboard is removed
<nooodlesnodes_1> does ubuntu touch solve this?
<parrotlover> No, it doesn't. There is no linux or android support for that device, only windows 8.1 and 10. I have owned them. Ubports is for Android devices with android driver blobs
<nooodlesnodes_1> rough times
<parrotlover> Yeah... but lucky for you... Windows works
<nooodlesnodes_1> got jokes :-))
<parrotlover> yeah... well when I had it, I was stuck using windows 8.1 or 10 unless I wanted only touch screen. the dock is the part there is no linux support for
<nooodlesnodes_1> thought it would be good because it wasnt actually a surface, and because there is no internal fan
<parrotlover> Ubports doesn't even have full stable hardware support for any of the supported devices, let alone a Windows 10 Tablet SoC based convertible
<parrotlover> it's really stupid that they didn't build the doc to a standard people use and support
<nooodlesnodes_1> the keyboard works just have to launch the onscreen manually and they look gross
<parrotlover> the keyboard now works in Linux?
<nooodlesnodes_1> yep
<parrotlover> madness
<parrotlover> It never used to
<nooodlesnodes_1> the only things I cant do is this .. and pinch or finger scroll libreoffice calc which I believe is an issue libreoffice doesnt want to do
#ubports 2020-03-08
<poVoq> https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9162
<poVoq> How come the user is complaining that the startup of apps is so slow on the Pinephone?
<poVoq> I mean, a Nexus5 isn't faster, and apps load reasonably fast on it.
<UnivrslSuprBox> Probably running from a slow SD card
<poVoq> Unlikely if other OS run faster?
<poVoq> https://github.com/berdosi/gotify-nextcloud
<poVoq> Nice. Should be a good solution for Nextcloud push notification with the gotify app.