Eastern European: okay

Eastern European: hi

Eastern European: hi so uh first we have to state our ids so my id is f c two zero dash p one

Eastern European: i am f c two zero dash p one and you're two

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: p two you're p two and i'm p one

Eastern European: uh okay okay uh let me change this in uh in my name as well

Eastern European: i it is it is but you just said it wrong

Eastern European: no i'm p two you are p one right

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: yeah and i have to change it

Eastern European: okay

Eastern European: okay now it's fine so my id is f c two zero dash p two

Eastern European: very nice <laugh>

Eastern European: okay uh let's read

Eastern European: you first

Eastern European: me first uh please call stella ask her to bring these things with her from the store six spoons of fresh snow uh peas five thick slabs of blue cheese and maybe a snack for her brother bob we also need a small plastic snake and a big toy frog for the kids she can scoop these things into three red bags uh and we will go meet her wednesday at the train station

Eastern European: please call stella ask her to bring these things with her uh with her from the store six spoons of fresh snow peas five thick slabs of blue cheese and maybe a snack for her brother bob we also need a small plastic snake and a big toy frog for for the kids she can scoop these things into three red bags and we'll go meet her wednesday at the train station

Eastern European: okay great

Eastern European: speaking about train stations <laugh>

Eastern European: yes <laugh>

Eastern European: um where where do you want to spend your um summer holiday summer holiday

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: your

Eastern European: yeah it is a summer holiday

Eastern European: yeah so i i think we'll go to the uk right

Eastern European: mm finally <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah yeah to the southwest um in cornwall um it's a good uh opportunity to do some sailing actually i think it's uh historically a place where sailing has been very popular

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: and it's one of the places where they are still preserving old uh tall ships actually

Eastern European: mm hmm they have a big tradition <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah the i mean yeah and uh it's uh it's quite difficult to find uh the tall ships in eastern europe for instance so you actually have to travel quite long distances in order to have this sort of experience so that's why i'm pretty excited about this uh holiday

Eastern European: uh i am a little bit uh afraid <laugh>

Eastern European: about seasickness

Eastern European: of the waves yes seasickness and the waves and that windy atmosphere <laugh> you know

Eastern European: yeah but actually i mean uh the uh the windy atmosphere should be okay uh in my experience at least it relaxes you and it takes your mind off of uh other things which you may usually be worried about such as daily life or whatever

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: uh but seasickness um the best thing

Eastern European: yes yes

Eastern European: is to take some pills uh take them maybe one day before at least and uh maybe keep taking them if you feel like it but at some point your body will get used to the sea and uh you won't feel it so bad actually there are people who are kind of hooked on seasickness because it also makes you a bit dreamy and drowsy

Eastern European: ah

Eastern European: so it's a bit like being high you know

Eastern European: so it's a very bad idea to go onshore <laugh> after this

Eastern European: yeah actually there is such a thing as uh being land sick

Eastern European: land sick yeah yeah i i read it in those sailing books

Eastern European: mm

Eastern European: i mean like when we were kids and we were reading about i don't know o'neill or dickens or something <laugh>

Eastern European: <laugh> something that i haven't done <laugh>

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: and they wrote about this

Eastern European: yeah because they were they had to get when they were ashore um they had to get drunk in order to

Eastern European: not get so land sick you know <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah that that's fine i mean i uh the i have spent a few days at sea and uh when you come back at least uh uh when you go to sleep or you are lying down

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: uh i i it feels like everything is moving with you and i uh i i i'm not sure if it's uh uh uh nice or not it's somewhere in between i mean it you kind of like it but at the same time you would like it to stop it's it's a bit weird

Eastern European: <laugh> oh my god

Eastern European: yeah and it goes on for at least one day after you go back

Eastern European: one day

Eastern European: but i guess i guess you'll see you'll have your own experience with being land sick

Eastern European: land sick yeah i'm i'm afraid of being <laugh> seasick <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah you'll get over it

Eastern European: first of all then

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: yeah we'll see <overlap>

Eastern European: well hopefully we will have good weather and then it will be easier

Eastern European: yeah i didn't um i didn't look on the forecast weather forecast

Eastern European: um yeah i haven't either but i mean uh i would check it in the week of our uh

Eastern European: yeah yeah

Eastern European: of our uh uh

Eastern European: it's too early

Eastern European: when when we leave yeah because otherwise it might change uh anyway we would be quite close to the coast i guess so it's not such a big risk

Eastern European: mm hmm mm hmm

Eastern European: the captain can can take some some decisions some courses in order to avoid uh us being too exposed <overlap>

Eastern European: <no-speech> certain yeah

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: certain winds

Eastern European: well it is a sort of introductory trip you know so it should be soft on you

Eastern European: so in my mind there are all these images and since from i don't know movies like um uh that one uh i've watched uhtred you know

Eastern European: <laugh> yeah the yeah the last uh kingdom

Eastern European: kingdom the last kingdom yeah <laugh> yeah and those viking girls you know

Eastern European: sailing the seas <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah but

Eastern European: you

Eastern European: and i don't i don't know to to what extent viking girls were were sailing the seas i i think they were tending to babies at home rather than sailing

Eastern European: uh actually i've been to a museum in sweden and uh yeah the great majority did that they were

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: just women but <laugh> but uh there were some warrior girls <laugh> you know

Eastern European: okay <laugh>

Eastern European: and they fought for just like men

Eastern European: just like men mm hmm

Eastern European: yeah just like um i i imagine them to be very big you know

Eastern European: yeah of course

Eastern European: in order to have success and not to get killed in your first battle <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah i mean they are always big right nordic people

Eastern European: oh my god they're huge they're huge i don't know they i wa i was looking at them like there like i was five years old <laugh>

Eastern European: okay yeah <laugh>

Eastern European: and their parents it was strange <laugh>

Eastern European: it is funny yeah

Eastern European: <laugh> it is funny um um but uh uh i i'd like to go to some uh sanctuaries you know mm

Eastern European: mm to see animals

Eastern European: animal yeah

Eastern European: but you know sanctuaries actually hold enemies animals who have been saved such as animals who were uh in a circus or being abused

Eastern European: yeah i know yeah

Eastern European: and they were reclaimed somehow or maybe uh uh captured by the animal police or something like that and put into care of uh of this kind of sanctuary

Eastern European: yeah i know they have some sad stories

Eastern European: yeah they do

Eastern European: in their lives but

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: i think that's a happy thing now they are

Eastern European: yeah of course

Eastern European: in a five star hotel hotel right now <laugh> something like that

Eastern European: hey do you remember the bear sanctuary we visited

Eastern European: yeah yeah

Eastern European: the traumatized bears

Eastern European: yeah have i told you told you that story about um my uh colleague who went to another bear sa sanctuary

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: and uh there was a a girl female bear

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: that uh came from the circus

Eastern European: hmm

Eastern European: and uh when i it was the the the customers were uh brought w with the truck in the sanctuary and they had yeah there wa there was they weren't uh walking on foot

Eastern European: uh huh

Eastern European: and uh when uh the bear saw the truck <laugh> she just stood up on <laugh> her two feet and she put her hands you know like in a <laugh> like in a in a ballet <overlap>

Eastern European: ah okay

Eastern European: position <laugh> and started to do pirouettes <laugh> you know like in the circus and it was a big huge animal doing so graciously

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: pirouettes and it was just amazing and the whole crowd of people

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: started to <click> <laugh> clap their hands and <overlap>

Eastern European: oh my god

Eastern European: scream and the lady from the center is just say no no no we do not distract it you know <laugh> we want them to be bears not ballerinas <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: it is funny and sad and ugh

Eastern European: yeah yeah yeah but you know what's funny when we were uh little children we actually liked this because we were kind of uh uh primed with i mean families everybody around uh wanted us to go to circus and for applaud when a bear

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: would be dancing to uh

Eastern European: yeah and all those those tigers i mean it's so humiliating to see such a <overlap>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: huge fascinating animal you know <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: lifting his paw <laugh>

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: it is silly

Eastern European: yeah and i remember the the lady in the ring putting her head inside the uh mouth of the lion or the tiger

Eastern European: super <laugh> what

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: can i say

Eastern European: <laugh> but and everybody would uh talk i mean at least in my family that there once was this accident and the animal actually closed <laugh> his mouth and

Eastern European: really

Eastern European: i mean i don't know maybe there was maybe there wasn't but it was um uh something to to bring a bit of uh suspense too

Eastern European: of course yeah <laugh>

Eastern European: the same as uh as uh with the um acrobats

Eastern European: mm hmm yeah

Eastern European: and trapeze the jumps and so on

Eastern European: uh i another colleague of mine told me a story uh it should be true 'cause i think uh there were in the there was in the newspapers at the time i don't know in the fifties or something there was a uh training lady who that trained all her life lions

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: and she had those uh cubs lion cubs and she raised them from cubs to grown ups

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: um but there was a rule uh for um for ladies training ladies trainers that they

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: weren't allowed to go in the cage with the lions uh when they were uh in at their period you know

Eastern European: okay

Eastern European: and because of the smell you know of the blood

Eastern European: okay yeah

Eastern European: and <laugh> she rosed she raised those cubs s since where they were i don't know like this <laugh> and um they ate her

Eastern European: <laugh> okay

Eastern European: <laugh> they didn't ma the staff of the circus didn't manage to save her

Eastern European: and at least is (())

Eastern European: yeah wild animals <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah <laugh> that's why i stay away from wild animals

Eastern European: yeah <laugh>

Eastern European: even stray dogs so no sorry

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: stray dogs shouldn't be on the streets

Eastern European: <laugh> yeah they shouldn't be they are cute they are nice but not on the streets

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: uh but i was thinking um to visit uh that sanctuary with eagles and uh other huge birds <laugh>

Eastern European: uh okay yeah sure i mean uh i i i thought you would be talking about otters but uh

Eastern European: otters i love otters <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah <laugh>

Eastern European: they're so funny

Eastern European: yeah i mean uh uh i think that the whole thing with otters is that you'd um catch them sleeping which they do all the time basically

Eastern European: <no-speech> <overlap>

Eastern European: uh if if if you can catch them while they are active that's fine but otherwise you know they just float uh as a derelict ship with really no worries and no direction

Eastern European: <laugh> with their tummies up <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah yeah with those

Eastern European: <laugh> but they're spectacular when they're s where when they try and hunt or just play they're

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: amazing <laugh>

Eastern European: uh i i think their design is amazing because they can float so without any worries i mean they can simply stay like this and uh the physics uh do their jobs nature does its job they don't have to worry about anything which is fun

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: you don't even know if they are aware that you are there uh looking at them

Eastern European: they think so

Eastern European: i'm not sure i didn't when i saw them they were just ignoring everybody

Eastern European: <laugh> b because they were the stars of the <laugh> i don't know zoo or where did you see them

Eastern European: um in several places but once we were to uh no actually we were no but uh i i have seen them in many um um zoo or gardens in in various uh cities in europe and it's the same thing uh almost every time they just stay there float you know weasels on the other hand weasels are much more active

Eastern European: but yeah

Eastern European: you know weasels are the the the ones which are sort of tubular and long

Eastern European: i i know i know uh but they are on land they do not float

Eastern European: yeah they don't float <laugh>

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: actually i once saw an otter i think it was in uh the the czech republic in prague in prague i think and um uh it was uh sort of uh putting on a show uh for the visitors it seemed very aware that people were watching

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: and it uh there was this very uh large uh water basin uh where she could float and everything was like this i mean they even had polar bears which had a huge uh water basin but the whole wall was transparent and you can you could see them floating in the water it and it was spectacular you can imagine a polar bear huge

Eastern European: my god

Eastern European: uh um uh swimming under the water

Eastern European: i think it is amazing <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah and you know they uh polar bears in particular have those very big paws

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: like immense paws

Eastern European: yeah yeah <laugh> it's my head

Eastern European: yeah doing like this in the water

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: it was completely yeah it i it's worth s seeing and uh i was talking about the otters so uh it kept um uh taking these uh these um dives and um uh showing itself to the visitors

Eastern European: but um

Eastern European: just like proving that she could do it you know

Eastern European: <laugh> she was <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: an actress

Eastern European: turning on her sides in the water and it was all a a demonstration you know

Eastern European: <laugh> but uh you you s i mean uh you saw them likely in a glass wall

Eastern European: yeah exactly like uh <overlap>

Eastern European: oh okay

Eastern European: an aquarium

Eastern European: like an aq an aquarium yeah yeah yeah

Eastern European: but a very

Eastern European: and at

Eastern European: big one

Eastern European: first i reimagine the the scene from above you know like seeing from a balcony

Eastern European: no no that that that was interesting you had them at eye level so you had water actually at eye level you know <overlap>

Eastern European: yeah yeah

Eastern European: and the animal would go on uh land on the piece of land it had there the otter and then it would look at the crowd which was there uh because it was sort of a star you know and then it would uh go down again

Eastern European: diving

Eastern European: and do it's uh show and then up and again you know watching around

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: looking around

Eastern European: <laugh> but i th or the crowd was i don't know just being loud uh happy

Eastern European: yeah yeah i mean there were a lot of children so you can imagine

Eastern European: ah okay okay i uh i was thinking that the otter just heard somehow the vibrations you know and <laugh> she did it on purpose because <laugh> because she heard that she was she was taking some applause or something

Eastern European: yeah i don't know but yeah it seemed to to be enjoying actually the whole situation

Eastern European: yeah i know i have an otter life a zoo otter life you know you have fish <laugh> your meals are secure

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: you just have to have fun <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah yeah

Eastern European: the rest of the time yeah it's nice but do you remember i think we went together at that zoo where there was a little window uh not so little like uh a meter w wide and a meter

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: high um and sitting with her bag there i think his bag i think it was a he <laugh> uh but it was huge gorilla

Eastern European: uh the one staying in the window

Eastern European: yeah and she had i don't know some uh silver uh hair in her fur his fur

Eastern European: yeah and i don't remember the silver hair but i remember the gorilla

Eastern European: my god it was huge and

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: taking a look at you <laugh> by your shoulder oh my god it was ah ah i don't know if it's a memory a true memory or something that some someone else told me but there was a guy passing by a a an athletic and a viking kind of looking guy and the gorilla get got a little bit mad

Eastern European: hmm

Eastern European: or is it <no-speech> <overlap>

Eastern European: i don't know but i i know at some point we were uh in front of the gorilla area and the alpha male came uh um towards us

Eastern European: okay

Eastern European: he was exactly like uh uh a chief of clan you know

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: coming like this

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: hey guys what's up

Eastern European: <no-speech> <overlap>

Eastern European: what are you doing here in my territory

Eastern European: yeah ah no no no i just uh i i was confused you told me the story about i don't know sportsmen there

Eastern European: yeah yeah that was yeah it was stupid news it was like more like a pr stunt i think about uh one of the big uh uh uh basketball players or something like that

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: uh it could have been shaquille o'neal actually uh yeah who was telling that whenever he goes to zoo uh he uh he annoys the gorillas because they feel threatened

Eastern European: you know that's tough <overlap>

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: <no-speech>

Eastern European: (())

Eastern European: but actually i in that news uh they had um a zoo manager who was prepared to take a call and he confirmed that uh gorillas react to shaquille

Eastern European: okay <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah which is even more of a sign that it was all uh directed

Eastern European: ah okay mm maybe yeah do you think so <laugh>

Eastern European: i i guess so but it's okay i mean it they did it well

Eastern European: mm yeah it it is funny it is funny <laugh> to intimidate a gorilla i think yeah um and do you have any idea where do you want to go next af after uh england

Eastern European: yeah actually i do i'd like to i mean of course paris would be nice and it's a a good place to sail and all and i'd like to do this maybe next year but i would really like to to go in a in a more exotic place <cough> such as the southeastern asia maybe thailand or some other country in the area <cough> especially if we have enough time to take the trip because um you would need i guess uh two days for the return trip you would have to make a stop somewhere i guess in the middle east uh and then board another plane which takes you to thailand or singapore or whatever and that takes a lot of time but otherwise uh i think it's completely different from uh our experience in europe and it's uh it's worth uh doing but i don't know i mean that's what i'm thinking now that it's warm outside and uh uh

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: you know maybe i would just uh want another kind of warm

Eastern European: <laugh> yes

Eastern European: um but um i might think differently uh in the cold season

Eastern European: oh so you'd like uh to take this exciting va vacation uh during i don't know the winter break or something

Eastern European: i'm not sure usually yeah usually people go to these areas in the cold season

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: i have once been there in the winter and it was very interesting it was not like going to the tanneries you know where it's still twenty degrees celsius and you can't

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: can't go into the water so it was complete summer there and so that's a big change and it's nice um but we'll have to see it also depends on uh how many leave days i will have because you you need

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: at least i i would say at least two weeks to do this right otherwise it feels rushed because the distance

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: is long you need a bit of time to accommodate uh to the place and

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: i think yeah we would need to take around two weeks um but yeah it's possible i mean i i would consider this for uh the winter holiday maybe

Eastern European: i think in these these kinds of countries um the monkeys are free <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: you know year round i think that'll be a great uh opportunity to i don't know be close to

Eastern European: to get yourself (()) by monkeys

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: no really i would avoid them uh i mean i i've told you before but i really think monkeys are dangerous especially when there are many of them but fortunately the the areas with monkeys are usually well known and uh you only go there if you want to

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: usually you would be surprised by a monkey you know lashing at you

Eastern European: yeah i

Eastern European: of course if you want to see monkeys we'll go there but i will keep a safe distance this time

Eastern European: uh and there were some advices that uh you don't have to carry any food with you

Eastern European: yeah <no-speech> <overlap>

Eastern European: in your backpack

Eastern European: but yeah i mean uh this would be the first thing you shouldn't do but <cough> even a a bottle of water i used to have a bottle of water when i <cough> i went on this hill with monkeys in thailand and they just uh they wanted the bottle i think it was a small it was a monkey cub at first uh wanted the bottle and i kind of pulled the bottle from its hands which were reaching out towards it

Eastern European: aw

Eastern European: and you know yeah funny as it might be it wasn't really uh you know it didn't feel safe actually and then the adults came because uh you know

Eastern European: of course mom and dad <overlap>

Eastern European: i didn't behave well to their little one and uh yeah things started to get a bit tense and i had to leave the area because it wasn't going uh uh to a good area

Eastern European: but you left your bottle over there

Eastern European: no i didn't leave the bottle

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: it's my bottle

Eastern European: your bottle <laugh>

Eastern European: they were stealing everything but i mean usually they wouldn't be aggressive but uh you don't want to um upset them <laugh>

Eastern European: of course i think they i don't think they want water specifically but i think they they wanted the bottle thinking uh uh of juice or something i think they have some ex <overlap>

Eastern European: i think they were just curious

Eastern European: mm

Eastern European: i think they were just curious

Eastern European: oh okay just curious

Eastern European: for instance they stole somebody's pack of cigarettes it's not like they smoke you know they just

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: uh uh stole the the cigarettes and they took it uh uh on a the roof of a kiosk which was nearby

Eastern European: okay

Eastern European: played with it for a while and then abandoned it there where of course nobody could reach it anymore

Eastern European: i think they're too smart for that i think they have a deal with that um with the seller <laugh> from under the

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: the kiosk and uh if they bring cigarettes or something the s seller would give them food or bananas or something

Eastern European: monkey business

Eastern European: monkey business yeah

Eastern European: but you know in spite of the the good advice of not carrying food you could find a lot of monkey food actually at the bases of this hill

Eastern European: okay what's the w what's there <overlap>

Eastern European: yeah talking about um i think it was some kind of nuts

Eastern European: nuts okay

Eastern European: i don't i don't remember exactly yeah

Eastern European: mm hmm <laugh> monkey food like

Eastern European: big a very big bag actually like half a kilo or a kilo

Eastern European: okay because there are many <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah exactly because they're many

Eastern European: like having a big dog <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: uh i remember just now that in venice a hundred years ago or something when i

Eastern European: oh you were in venice wow

Eastern European: yeah uh they there were some uh posts some that you don't have to feed the pigeons

Eastern European: <laugh> you shouldn't <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: there are too many of them

Eastern European: <laugh> yeah bec nah because they um damage the sculptures and the buildings and so on

Eastern European: ah i see

Eastern European: or the um but they they were everywhere people sell pigeon food you know

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: and you put it into your arm the food and the pigeons would come into your hand you know and take a photo <laugh> and have a memory from venice

Eastern European: oh yeah so so how was uh venice like did you like it

Eastern European: i was uh seasick because we had

Eastern European: in venice

Eastern European: yeah we took a boat

Eastern European: that's an achievement

Eastern European: <laugh> we took a boat

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: to reach venice and i

Eastern European: right i (()) of it you came by sea

Eastern European: yeah yeah yeah we came by sea i don't know i don't remember i was

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: a teenager uh many i don't remember many details but i'm sure that we took a boat and um uh i was already sick when we landed <laugh> and um the the the little um streets and the canals are so very charming and uh

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: you know uh the museums and uh the cathedral that is big

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: actually there was seawater in the cathedral <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: you know and it was uh it smelled not so

Eastern European: but is it really seawater in the channels in uh in venice

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: i mean it's not it's not sweet water it's the the same as

Eastern European: no it's salty

Eastern European: uh huh

Eastern European: it's salty because uh there was that smell that specific smell you know

Eastern European: oh i see

Eastern European: and in the church the floor was uh made of stones you know

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: and the combination between the smell of the stone and with uh the salt of the water that was so old <laugh>

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: both of them were so old it was and i had that sickness it was

Eastern European: uh

Eastern European: (()) <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: um but i what do i remember i remember the statues the pigeons the cafes you know

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: areas um and being sick

Eastern European: by the way uh you were asking about our next uh holiday maybe we should take a cruise because uh

Eastern European: cruise

Eastern European: many many cruise in the mediterranean actually also touch on venice

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: and it's a good way to to see four or five destinations in one go

Eastern European: mm hmm mm hmm that's a good idea but uh do you think like uh going on that huge ship that we saw in uh sweden

Eastern European: yeah yeah something like

Eastern European: one of those

Eastern European: i mean all of them are huge because that's the more effective way to do it um it's possible to also take a smaller ship but if you want you know it depends on on your priority if you want to enjoy the sailing

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: you never have any reason to take a big ship but if you want to enjoy the land destinations then that ship is very good at uh taking you fast and in comfort to those destination

Eastern European: mm hmm yeah when i see those ships i think of uh i don't know uh like agatha christie or something <laugh> i have my own uh

Eastern European: do you think so with the big cruise ships

Eastern European: yes somehow i don't know why it plays uh in my mind uh the action from the book uh in one of those big ships uh i i know that in those days they wouldn't look like

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: they look now it's impossible because they are so fit you know the the shape of the

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: ship they're too modern and fit <laugh>

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: i imagine them to be more more more heavy and <overlap>

Eastern European: scary yeah

Eastern European: yeah and i i was i meant uh in those days

Eastern European: uh huh

Eastern European: um but uh i don't know i think of uh um ballrooms you know chandeliers and uh uh men in tuxedo in the evening

Eastern European: yeah of course although you know i i've never been on on these modern cruise ships but i think they're more like floating malls

Eastern European: <laugh> malls ah no

Eastern European: yeah i mean it's it's just like a a big shopping and uh uh uh food courts and uh of course you also have the entertainment area with uh swimming pools and whatever so it's a a mix of uh shopping malls and food courts and um um uh entertainment uh but um yeah i don't think they resemble a lot to you know titanic let's say or to death on the nile

Eastern European: you make it sounds so

Eastern European: romantic

Eastern European: so unromantic

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: yeah like a mall like a floating mall yeah whoo <no-speech>

Eastern European: i think the purpose of those ships is to make you feel as little as possible uh like being on a ship actually

Eastern European: mm yeah comparing to i don't know the ships with those big how do you call them

Eastern European: (()) uh no uh chimneys

Eastern European: no no no

Eastern European: or what do you mean

Eastern European: mm i don't know <laugh> uh of course there are some so different from old ships historical ones but um i don't think like they are like floating malls and hotels or <laugh>

Eastern European: well first of all they are huge i mean uh they are bigger than any building on land uh you should imagine there are between three and five thousand people on one of those ships so it's uh basically a little city it's a town

Eastern European: mm hmm nice

Eastern European: and i it's i it usually has ten fourteen uh decks

Eastern European: okay wow

Eastern European: just like the floors of a building yeah and uh then you most of the time you i mean i said i haven't been on a cruise cruise ship i have been but only uh to cross uh an area not to uh spend more nights on that ship so i know what it looks like but i haven't spent a lot of time there

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: and uh all the spaces are are done exactly like on land it doesn't have the signature of a a ship's spaces you know which would be more cramped or um you know feeling like you are on a ship uh as you would on a small boat or on a tall ship everything is done in order for you as a as a passenger to feel exactly like on land like for instance the food court which was the whole bridge and it was huge it was i think two hundred meters long you barely could see uh the end of it when you entered the food court

Eastern European: my god

Eastern European: it was exactly like the old town of a city where you had the main alley and on the sides there were all sorts of

Eastern European: restaurants

Eastern European: cafes and restaurants

Eastern European: yeah mm mm you killed the magic <laugh>

Eastern European: what i mean is they have their use but um it's not what you would imagine uh if

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: if you think about older ships

Eastern European: yeah um but there's i think in the in the mediterranean sea they have you know like dolphins i think it's worth <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah i think there there are dolphins everywhere i guess in in this uh area of of

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: climate

Eastern European: mm hmm so you can see dolphins <overlap>

Eastern European: but um so you will see the dolphins <laugh>

Eastern European: from the mall yeah <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah but you you know you would be seeing them from like fifty meters uh uh high because uh uh the the free deck is very high above the water

Eastern European: mm hmm mm hmm

Eastern European: it's not like seeing them from a boat or a small ship

Eastern European: but i don't think

Eastern European: it' like seeing them from the top of a of a a block of flats

Eastern European: yeah and that's mm mm it's strange a little bit but if you have uh your room and with those round uh windows

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: you know and you're at the level of the sea you could

Eastern European: yeah probably but i i'm not sure you want to be there because usually the the uh worst cabins are at the

Eastern European: are there

Eastern European: bottom <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: and uh actually if you if you have a a better category of accommodation it should be higher up actually i think

Eastern European: always high always high

Eastern European: <laugh> always is

Eastern European: but that that that stayed the same with ti titanic i think

Eastern European: i was thinking about titanic a little bit <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah the third class you always have the uh irish people dancing

Eastern European: dancing yeah <laugh> yeah there was an order over there yeah we should

Eastern European: but no i think it it's it's okay i mean uh the the the thing i like most about these ships is that they're very fast so you go to sleep in venice and you wake up in barcelona and uh

Eastern European: really

Eastern European: yeah they (())

Eastern European: that fast

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: wow

Eastern European: um and they also go more or less in straight lines

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: on the sea

Eastern European: ah because they're so powerful so they do not have to avoid certain

Eastern European: no

Eastern European: wind certain currents

Eastern European: no definitely not

Eastern European: yeah they are you know like a big mammoth <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah and but the schedule is like this you get in the morning to your destination you have the whole day or most of it on land and then you uh board the ship and uh in the evening or at night it goes to the next destination

Eastern European: mm hmm doesn't sound so bad yeah spent the night on the sea and you don't enjoy that much the sea that's your point

Eastern European: yeah that's my point but i i if you want to do a circuit through through europe um it's much more comfortable than a a bus

Eastern European: mm hmm mm hmm

Eastern European: a coach so yeah

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: it has its advantages

Eastern European: of course yeah i think it's nicer and you have the seagulls and the uh salty air mm i think there are some advantages

Eastern European: i just remembered the uh a story um i had this uh uh children's books or teens books i don't know when i was a little child and um there were stories uh uh i think they were uh written by russians actually and translated

Eastern European: okay

Eastern European: and uh one of them was about uh this ship i don't remember exactly what was happening there but i remember at one point there was also an illustration of the ship's captain for fun uh taking his rifle and shooting at seagulls and from that moment on i uh it stuck in my mind that this is something you do on a ship <laugh> you know

Eastern European: you shoot the seagulls yeah

Eastern European: yeah just killing time you know just

Eastern European: oh my god

Eastern European: you take a rifle and shoot at seagulls

Eastern European: oh my god those russian authors <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: and th they also have the drawing i imagine you know

Eastern European: yes yes it was uh hand drawn it was very suggestive

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: actually <laugh>

Eastern European: that's the <laugh> that's the thing the drawings the images

Eastern European: yeah actually uh those um books i i had as a little child they would they had very good illustration now that i think of them

Eastern European: they were um i think they were so different from nowadays because uh they would use uh watercolor you know

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: graphics and pencil graphics and so on now you have that adobe illustrator

Eastern European: and they all look the same <laugh> you know if you put so for me for me because i'm another generation um um with snow white from i don't know

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: fifties from the fifties it's more charming has a lot of uh you know that specific perfume with that

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: two d graphics <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: than those like m mickey mouse club you know <laugh>

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: i don't think you know them do you know them

Eastern European: who

Eastern European: mickey mouse club

Eastern European: no

Eastern European: no they are so too perfect too you you don't have anything to relate them to

Eastern European: but what kind of uh graphics is it

Eastern European: uh it's made like in adobe in premier

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: you know in three d

Eastern European: so is it three d

Eastern European: yeah it's three d uh it looks more real somehow but it it is

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: too colorful to be real you know <laugh> mm but the kids are born with mickey mouse club <laugh> and they they do not <no-speech> <overlap>

Eastern European: a and mickey mouse club means all the disney characters

Eastern European: yes yes

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: uh like minnie mickey i think they have also goofy you know those characters

Eastern European: they have donald duck

Eastern European: yeah of course

Eastern European: it was my favorite

Eastern European: <laugh> yeah it was crazy the way he talk i think i i liked all the i like donald and goofy because you couldn't understand the the words but you understood them you know <laugh>

Eastern European: i never liked goofy he was too sloppy i dunno it it aargh

Eastern European: i like the way he talk <overlap>

Eastern European: yeah he was goofy of course

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: but donald getting mad that was perfect

Eastern European: ah <laugh> it was a show

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: <lipsmack>

Eastern European: yeah you're much better

Eastern European: and he got angry ah and do you remember that he had uh three little duck nephews

Eastern European: yeah yeah yeah

Eastern European: oh my god

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: <laugh> it was a full show but

Eastern European: yeah yeah that that were that were the funnier and i think there were also these cartoons where it was donald and chip and dale

Eastern European: ah they were so yeah oh my god they were so lovely

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: yes yes i know them chip and dale also mm that's another <laugh>

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: that's another good memory the way they talk i shouldn't i should listen more to to the way they talk you know they squeak they don't talk

Eastern European: yeah they yeah

Eastern European: i but i'm curious how they did the voiceover bec i don't think it it was made on a computer

Eastern European: no they couldn't have it was the forties

Eastern European: it was the forties <overlap>

Eastern European: i i don't think there was any processing there yeah

Eastern European: oh i see

Eastern European: all of these all of these cartoons in our childhood they were actually were propaganda you know most it i mean

Eastern European: no

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: no they weren't <laugh>

Eastern European: they were they were made in the forties and if you remember there were a lot about uh uh you know fighting uh there were guns there many times

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: uh it it wasn't really about nazis maybe but it was about uh you know having this uh uh fighting attitude i guess

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: being sort of aggressive which you don't see in later cartoons

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: i mean yeah you have mischievous characters but not that that attitude and you know there's a lot of uh uh flag waving uh

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: you have a few symbols in tom and jerry and in in donald duck as well actually

Eastern European: yeah and you know

Eastern European: and popeye the sailor he was actually i i think he was a propaganda character he was meant like that i think

Eastern European: he was fighting who i mean he was fighting that big guy brown head brown hair guy dark haired guy

Eastern European: yeah yeah yeah

Eastern European: a huge i dunno in fact

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: but they're saying that was i dunno he symbolized russia or something i don't think so

Eastern European: i'm i'm not sure because at that point it wasn't russia it was uh you know everything bad i guess well it was the nazis but uh russia became a problem later after the war

Eastern European: after the war yeah yeah yeah

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: the cold war

Eastern European: yeah the the but popeye was actually older i think he came from the twenties or thirties and he worked

Eastern European: i don't know i don't know

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: maybe there was a comic book and after

Eastern European: yeah i think that's how it started

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: and the same with su superheroes and with marvel and dc comics

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: you know th they also came from the twenties and thirties and uh they had a part of their career uh was about uh the war effort more or less fighting the baddies yeah

Eastern European: <breath> yeah that's

Eastern European: and of course we didn't treat them like this when we are we are we were small

Eastern European: because we we didn't get to see the war but it was uh but uh it's silly that we have a war right now i mean that's so stupid

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: it's incredible that we just turned back time and you are in the same point somehow

Eastern European: yeah it is and it's affecting us because you have inflation and a few other negative effects so it's not a good thing of course

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: just sad

Eastern European: plus talking about travel i really wanted to go to saint petersburg which is not longer an option of course but i've heard saint petersburg is a very nice city actually and i think russia has very different areas of course because it's huge it's a huge land mass

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: but moscow is supposed to be very different from saint petersburg and very different from other russian cities

Eastern European: mm hmm mm hmm mm hmm

Eastern European: which probably you wouldn't want to visit but saint petersburg i heard is really nice

Eastern European: uh saint petersburg yeah they have some um you know like big cathedrals

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: orthodox cathr cathedrals

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: and i think they build in a magnificent way <laugh> because they are not so

Eastern European: of course so it was an imperial capital so

Eastern European: yeah they are not so humble <laugh> at the

Eastern European: yeah there must be some golden roofs there

Eastern European: of course some golden roof some military guys in those shiny uniforms <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah <laugh>

Eastern European: parading

Eastern European: and actually you could do saint petersburg and the areas uh nearby without really traveling throughout russia you could do the baltic the eastern baltic

Eastern European: ah so you come up

Eastern European: yeah you you you could go through uh estonia and saint petersburg

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: and then maybe finland if you want to go through further

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: north

Eastern European: mm hmm so uh saint petersburg it's up you know more

Eastern European: saint petersburg is in the east

Eastern European: north

Eastern European: of uh of the baltic sea from from

Eastern European: <no-speech> <overlap>

Eastern European: estonia you would go a bit north yeah

Eastern European: mm hmm mm hmm okay

Eastern European: north yeah

Eastern European: okay moscow is a little bit down you know i think

Eastern European: yeah it's it's a lot

Eastern European: east and down

Eastern European: it's a lot down yeah

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: yeah i think moscow is a nice uh touristic city uh i i've heard it's very different from russia i mean from from normal russia

Eastern European: normal russia yeah i think <laugh> i also think they have all the glamor over there and the rest of russia

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: i think it's taking it hard <laugh>

Eastern European: yes i i'm sure about that but i think that's the case with many capitals such as berlin

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: not being so german and london not being so representative of england

Eastern European: yeah <laugh> yeah yeah yeah yeah um ah i i wanted to say something about uh moscow but i forgot <laugh>

Eastern European: <laugh> i heard it's pretty expensive

Eastern European: really

Eastern European: i mean by russian standards at least i don't think it's as expensive as the nordic countries for instance or as london uh but uh yeah i i guess like any big city

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: it's uh it's it's different from uh from the prices you would find in the rest of the country

Eastern European: mm hmm i heard that it is very cold

Eastern European: i i'm not so sure maybe it is because it's continental

Eastern European: okay

Eastern European: and maybe it's it's drier actually

Eastern European: i think

Eastern European: because there's a lot of land around it

Eastern European: your butt freezes in two seconds come on <laugh> do you remember uh your friend from uh sweden that lived in moscow some years and he

Eastern European: mm

Eastern European: thought that he wouldn't have any problem with the cold in winter because he's from sweden

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: <laugh> he had a big surprise

Eastern European: <laugh> yeah maybe maybe in sweden it's milder because it's wet i dunno

Eastern European: (()) because i think it's different uh uh sea cold from the continental

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: cold

Eastern European: yeah probably

Eastern European: i think it's quite different

Eastern European: by the way um when i was in uh in thailand and in singapore uh it felt like you were in a sauna or in a washing machine after you turned it

Eastern European: i know

Eastern European: because it there was so much water in the air it was saturated really it was very hot but at the same time very wet it was like jungle

Eastern European: mm

Eastern European: feeling um it was very strange and there was a very particular smell as well it's somehow pleasant

Eastern European: like

Eastern European: it was i think i think it was natural i don't think it was a city smell

Eastern European: oh but it smelled like what like sea or like leaves

Eastern European: um yeah i i think it was something vegetal and wet

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: everything was wet

Eastern European: <laugh> the soup was wet i imagine

Eastern European: yeah soup too

Eastern European: uh you you were talking about thailand or singapore

Eastern European: uh mostly singapore but it also

Eastern European: okay

Eastern European: applies to thailand yeah

Eastern European: mm okay <laugh> yeah lots of memories but i saw some pictures with you and with the uh tiger cub

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: from the from there

Eastern European: yeah tho those were from uh thailand i think um yeah i'll never be sure if those tigers uh were uh had a good life or maybe they received some sort of a drug in order to be so uh calm and uh because there were lots of people there i think there were over one hundred tourists and they kept coming and going and everybody was was petting them

Eastern European: mm

Eastern European: and it's not very cat like you know to to be so still and uh

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: you know let everybody touch you

Eastern European: (())

Eastern European: especially if you are a tiger i guess

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: so they didn't seem to be abused in every way in any way they looked very nice their fur was perfect

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: but i just wonder if it's possible for a tiger to behave like this natural

Eastern European: i get you silly cats you know <laugh> made of textile <laugh> yeah

Eastern European: so i guess you would like to to have this experience anyway

Eastern European: of course

Eastern European: of of of being with the tiger cub

Eastern European: yes i would love <laugh> to squish a tiger cub <laugh> i think they are so

Eastern European: you know even the little ones are like dog size they're pretty big and

Eastern European: the cubs

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: of course

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: of course you know like a big dog not like <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah <laugh>

Eastern European: of course they're you know felines big stuff <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah yeah big cats

Eastern European: big cats that's the name for them

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: uh

Eastern European: uh i think in five minutes we should be okay

Eastern European: mm hmm yeah um so um that was about our <laugh> future vacations and <no-speech> <overlap>

Eastern European: yeah yeah it's always a nice a nice topic to to talk about

Eastern European: mm hmm it is lovely so

Eastern European: especially now that it's warm outside uh it it really feels like going on a holiday

Eastern European: yeah <laugh> have a martini and go on a holiday

Eastern European: yeah although it's pretty rainy here a and it's good i i expected it to be mu much hotter by by this time

Eastern European: sticky <laugh> too sunny too sticky

Eastern European: yeah exactly

Eastern European: but no no it's okay it's okay um i think this rainy weather would would last a little bit more and then we have our furnace like usual

Eastern European: <laugh> like usual yes

Eastern European: <laugh> like usually and then uh when the furnace come we should go to twenty five degrees <laugh> in england

Eastern European: yes

Eastern European: twenty five am i <overlap>

Eastern European: yes it's a good plan that's a i i think so yeah but the water is pretty pretty cold so i i'm sorry for you but i don't think you'll be able to swim in uh in the sea

Eastern European: <laugh> it's okay i don't want to swim in the ocean without knowing

Eastern European: with the dolphins

Eastern European: to swim <laugh> yeah i i went once in uh i i didn't go you know in an ocean but in i dunno i think it was the mediterranean

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: but i didn't get the balls to go without <laugh> the life saving jacket

Eastern European: uh huh

Eastern European: uh because the we the water was so deep and the guy you know the captain of that little little boat <laugh> who took us

Eastern European: mm

Eastern European: deep in the sea told us oh there are i don't know hundreds of meters <laugh> of of deep eh deep waters

Eastern European: mm hmm yes yes

Eastern European: and you know you cannot see the shore because we are in you know like in a volcano area you know like in a scoops <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah well

Eastern European: area of the

Eastern European: it doesn't matter so much if it's over two meters

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: it's the same two or one hundreds

Eastern European: you can drown happily <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah <laugh> but i do the same actually even uh even when sailing at when we were at anchored or in a bay

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: uh i always had uh my uh life jacket with me

Eastern European: that's safe

Eastern European: i mean not not really always uh uh the only the only way i wouldn't go with a life jacket was if i had my uh my uh uh snorkeling mask on

Eastern European: mm hmm yeah

Eastern European: because i it it bothers you if you also have a life jacket it kind of floats you up and you can't

Eastern European: oh yes <laugh>

Eastern European: you can't go a bit down

Eastern European: to keep

Eastern European: to look at the

Eastern European: your head

Eastern European: fish or yeah

Eastern European: yeah yeah yeah yeah

Eastern European: and that was really nice actually because the water was very clear in those areas it it was increased and uh you could uh swim around the boat and also inspect it's uh it's keel and uh uh the anchor chain and so uh uh also like a safety check besides just uh you know looking at the nature

Eastern European: yeah but mediterranean is not so salty is it uh i mean

Eastern European: it is actually

Eastern European: it kept you up

Eastern European: yeah yeah

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: it does

Eastern European: uh huh

Eastern European: it keeps up and if you have that mask it doesn't matter so much anyway because uh as long as the uh tube is uh above water you're fine and uh

Eastern European: yeah i know

Eastern European: actually i if you're in the bay there are too big waves and the tube should have a uh a mechanism which doesn't water it doesn't let water get in

Eastern European: yeah it blows it out yeah i i saw it

Eastern European: i i think it closes it if if there's any water

Eastern European: ah yeah

Eastern European: and then you can blow it uh outside

Eastern European: <laugh> yeah yeah yeah i love snorkeling it's such it's such a sensation of seeing the the <laugh> little colored fishes

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: fish

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: uh but uh mm the sensation of freedom i think it's

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: it's great

Eastern European: it is yes

Eastern European: and and i have this sensation in the balloon in the air

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: balloon yeah

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: but uh it's different it's different it's not the same but eh it's a sense of you know

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: letting go <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah it feels very nice i i really hope you will feel like this with sailing as well because it's not so far from being in a balloon it's just longer and <laugh> it gets easy

Eastern European: <laugh>

Eastern European: but otherwise it's pretty similar

Eastern European: and uh it's not so long and you know where you land you know <laugh> you know the port is fixed and <no-speech> <overlap>

Eastern European: yeah tha that's that's a very important advantage yes you have more control

Eastern European: you have more control yeah yeah yeah

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: but the the ship that we will travel with o on uh does it have a you know like um motor or only

Eastern European: yes i i i'm not sure actually but i guess it does because i'm not even sure they would be allowed to sail without an engine nowadays

Eastern European: uh huh uh huh uh huh

Eastern European: uh so u usually even the old tall ships they have been equipped with engines but many of them were used for commercial activities such as fishing or transport

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: and and they have been equipped a long time ago with

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: engines

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: or even built with them so yeah i'm pretty sure uh it's also the fact that without an engine it would need a tugboat or some assistance every time it moves or it has to to stop in a port

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: so that's an additional cost and so i i guess it makes sense for them to to have an engine

Eastern European: of course no i think it's s safer you know

Eastern European: yeah definitely

Eastern European: mm because there's now mm there's the wind there's the wave

Eastern European: yes yes you know in the old days uh a ship might have to just wait for weeks uh if it didn't if if didn't have the the right wind

Eastern European: the right weather yeah to

Eastern European: yeah that that was very dangerous for the crew as well

Eastern European: and they had to stay on they couldn't i don't know like they go to uh sleep like the boat the

Eastern European: yes they could do that they could try to pull the the ship with row row boats

Eastern European: oh okay

Eastern European: but this is not something you can do for a long time <cough>

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: i mean i it's it's very slow and uh very tiring for the crew to do this

Eastern European: mm hmm mm hmm

Eastern European: so you might do it if it's an emergency or some special situation but i don't think you can do it for days on end to compensate for the lack of wind

Eastern European: mm hmm <laugh>

Eastern European: and what actually

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: happens if you have the bad wind and currents is that you might go very far from your course or even go back

Eastern European: ooh

Eastern European: <laugh> yeah

Eastern European: <laugh> that's not good

Eastern European: and in that case it doesn't help so much to uh use the row boats to to pull the ship

Eastern European: it sounds so difficult <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah it is

Eastern European: everything sound so difficult

Eastern European: sailing used to be very much uh or season dependent i mean you would use

Eastern European: mm hmm yeah

Eastern European: a certain boat depending on uh on the season you are in

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: you wouldn't be able to leave across the atlantic maybe unless it was spring and come back in the autumn

Eastern European: mm hmm

Eastern European: when the wind that's the trade winds actually

Eastern European: ah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i've heard of that when they um uh traded i don't know they bought stuff from the colonies in america and those thirteen colonies

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: and they i don't know took the indian furs <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah

Eastern European: and they have to wait for the right season to do

Eastern European: yeah yeah yeah

Eastern European: those traveling yeah i've heard of that

Eastern European: okay are we done <overlap>

Eastern European: so see you on vacation <laugh>

Eastern European: yeah yeah see you of course thank you

Eastern European: i cannot wait thanks bye

Eastern European: yeah bye