id,text,label 0,"I am a little confused on all of the models of the 88-89 bonnevilles. I have heard of the LE SE LSE SSE SSEI. Could someone tell me the differences are far as features or performance. I am also curious to know what the book value is for prefereably the 89 model. And how much less than book value can you usually get them for. In other words how much are they in demand this time of year. I have heard that the mid-spring early summer is the best time to buy.",rec.autos 1,"I'm not familiar at all with the format of these ""X-Face:"" thingies, but after seeing them in some folks' headers, I've *got* to *see* them (and maybe make one of my own)! I've got ""dpg-view"" on my Linux box (which displays ""uncompressed X-Faces"") and I've managed to compile [un]compface too... but now that I'm *looking* for them, I can't seem to find any X-Face:'s in anyones news headers! :-( Could you, would you, please send me your ""X-Face:"" header? I *know* I'll probably get a little swamped, but I can handle it. ...I hope.",comp.windows.x 2," In a word, yes. ",None 3," They were attacking the Iraqis to drive them out of Kuwait, a country whose citizens have close blood and business ties to Saudi citizens. And me thinks if the US had not helped out the Iraqis would have swallowed Saudi Arabia, too (or at least the eastern oilfields). And no Muslim country was doing much of anything to help liberate Kuwait and protect Saudi Arabia; indeed, in some masses of citizens were demonstrating in favor of that butcher Saddam (who killed lotsa Muslims), just because he was killing, raping, and looting relatively rich Muslims and also thumbing his nose at the West. So how would have *you* defended Saudi Arabia and rolled back the Iraqi invasion, were you in charge of Saudi Arabia??? I think that it is a very good idea to not have governments have an official religion (de facto or de jure), because with human nature like it is, the ambitious and not the pious will always be the ones who rise to power. There are just too many people in this world (or any country) for the citizens to really know if a leader is really devout or if he is just a slick operator. You make it sound like these guys are angels, Ilyess. (In your clarinet posting you edited out some stuff; was it the following???) Friday's New York Times reported that this group definitely is more conservative than even Sheikh Baz and his followers (who think that the House of Saud does not rule the country conservatively enough). The NYT reported that, besides complaining that the government was not conservative enough, they have: - asserted that the (approx. 500,000) Shiites in the Kingdom are apostates, a charge that under Saudi (and Islamic) law brings the death penalty. Diplomatic guy (Sheikh bin Jibrin), isn't he Ilyess? - called for severe punishment of the 40 or so women who drove in public a while back to protest the ban on women driving. The guy from the group who said this, Abdelhamoud al-Toweijri, said that these women should be fired from their jobs, jailed, and branded as prostitutes. Is this what you want to see happen, Ilyess? I've heard many Muslims say that the ban on women driving has no basis in the Qur'an, the ahadith, etc. Yet these folks not only like the ban, they want these women falsely called prostitutes? If I were you, I'd choose my heroes wisely, Ilyess, not just reflexively rally behind anyone who hates anyone you hate. - say that women should not be allowed to work. - say that TV and radio are too immoral in the Kingdom. Now, the House of Saud is neither my least nor my most favorite government on earth; I think they restrict religious and political reedom a lot, among other things. I just think that the most likely replacements for them are going to be a lot worse for the citizens of the country. But I think the House of Saud is feeling the heat lately. In the last six months or so I've read there have been stepped up harassing by the muttawain (religious police---*not* government) of Western women not fully veiled (something stupid for women to do, IMO, because it sends the wrong signals about your morality). And I've read that they've cracked down on the few, home-based expartiate religious gatherings, and even posted rewards in (government-owned) newspapers offering money for anyone who turns in a group of expartiates who dare worship in their homes or any other secret place. So the government has grown even more intolerant to try to take some of the wind out of the sails of the more-conservative opposition. As unislamic as some of these things are, they're just a small taste of what would happen if these guys overthrow the House of Saud, like they're trying to in the long run. Is this really what you (and Rached and others in the general west-is-evil-zionists-rule-hate-west-or-you-are-a-puppet crowd) want, Ilyess? ",talk.politics.mideast 4," I've just spent two solid months arguing that no such thing as an objective moral system exists.",talk.religion.misc 5," Elisabeth, let's set the record straight for the nth time, I have not read ""The Yeast Connection"". So anything that I say is not due to brainwashing by this ""hated"" book. It's okay I guess to hate the book, by why hate me? Elisabeth, I'm going to quote from Zinsser's Microbiology, 20th Edition. A book that you should be familiar with and not ""hate"". ""Candida species colonize the mucosal surfaces of all humans during birth or shortly thereafter. The risk of endogenous infection is clearly ever present. Indeed, candidiasis occurs worldwide and is the most common systemic mycosis."" Neutrophils play the main role in preventing a systemic infection(candidiasis) so you would have to have a low neutrophil count or ""sick"" neutrophils to see a systemic infection. Poor diet and persistent parasitic infestation set many third world residents up for candidiasis. Your assessment of candidiasis in the U.S. is correct and I do not dispute it. What I posted was a discussion of candida blooms, without systemic infection. These blooms would be responsible for local sites of irritation (GI tract, mouth, vagina and sinus cavity). Knocking down the bacterial competition for candida was proposed as a possible trigger for candida blooms. Let me quote from Zinsser's again: ""However, some factors, such as the use of a broad-spectrum antibacterial antibiotic, may predispose to both mucosal and systemic infections"". I was addressing mucosal infections (I like the term blooms better). The nutrition course that I teach covers this effect of antibiotic treatment as well as the ""cure"". I guess that your nutrition course does not, too bad. My, my Elisabeth, do I detect a little of Steve Dyer in you? If you noticed my faculty rank, I'm a biochemist, not a microbiologist. Candida is classifed as a fungus(according to Zinsser's). But, as you point out, it displays dimorphism. It is capable of producing yeast cells, pseudohyphae and true hyphae. Elisabeth, you are probably a microbiologist and that makes a lot of sense to you. To a biochemist, it's a lot of Greek. So I called it a yeast-like fungus, go ahead and crucify me. You know Elisabeth, I still haven't been able to figure out why such a small little organism like Candida can bring out so much hostility in people in Sci. Med. And I must admitt that I got sucked into the mud slinging too. I keep hoping that if people will just take the time to think about what I've said, that it will make sense. I'm not asking anyone here to buy into ""The Yeast Connection"" book because I don't know what's in that book, plain and simple. And to be honest with you, I'm beginning to wish that it was never written.",sci.med 6,"Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow. Proverbs 13:11 ",soc.religion.christian 7,"A friend of mine managed to get a copy of a computerised Greek and Hebrew Lexicon called ""The Word Perfect"" (That is not the word processing package WordPerfect). However, some one wiped out the EXE file, and she has not been able to restore it. There are no distributors of the package in South Africa. I would appreciate it, if some one could email me the file, or at least tell me where I could get it from. My email address is fortmann@superbowl.und.ac.za or fortmann@shrike.und.ac.za Many thanks.",soc.religion.christian 8,"Hi, We have a requirement for dynamically closing and opening different display servers within an X application in a manner such that at any time there is only one display associated with the client. Assumming a proper cleanup is done during the transition should we anticipate any problems. ",comp.windows.x 9,": : well, i have lots of experience with scanning in images and altering : them. as for changing them back into negatives, is that really possible? : (stuff deleted) : jennifer urso: the oh-so bitter woman of utter blahness(but cheerful : undertones) I use Aldus Photostyler on the PC and I can turn a colour or black and white image into a negative or turn a negative into a colour or black and white image. I don't know how it does it but it works well. To test it I scanned a negative and used Aldus to create a positive. It looked better than the print that the film developers gave me. -- ",comp.graphics 10,"I have uploaded the Windows On-Line Review shareware edition to ftp.cica.indiana.edu as /pub/pc/win3/uploads/wolrs7.zip. It is an on-line magazine which contains reviews of some shareware products...I grabbed it from the Windows On-Line BBS. --",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 11,"Most graphics systems I have seen have drawing routines that also specify a color for drawing, like Drawpoint(x,y,color) or Drawline(x1,y1,x2,y2,color) or Fillrectangle(x1,y1,x2,y2,color) With X, I have to do something like XSetForeground(current_color) XDrawPoint(d,w,x,y) Why split this into two functions? Why did X designers decide to not associate the color with the object being drawn, and instead associate it with the display it is being drawn on?",comp.windows.x 12," You *know* that putting something like this out on the newsgroup is *only* going to generate flames, not discussion. Try adding some substance to the issue of ""gestures"" you mentioned. What is it you feel that Israel *has* offered as a ""gesture""? What would you (*realistically*) expect to see presented by the Arabs/Palestinians in the way of ""gesture""? What are the ""rules"" that have been bent by Arab actions? It would seem that the Israeli deportations were seen by the other side as an example of ""changing the rules"". ",talk.politics.mideast 13," Accusation? I thought it was a recommendation. (I mean, I did grow up there, I oughta know). Bring the truck and about 10 pounds of crawfish and we'll talk. ",rec.motorcycles 14," Probably because it IS rape. So nothing. It may work for some, but not for others: it doesn't give any insight into an overall God or overall truth of a religion- it would seem to be dependent solely on the individual, as well as individually-created. And since Christians have failed to show us how there way of life is in any wy better than ours, I do not see why the attempt to try it is necessary, or even particularly attractive. Well, we will nerver know for sure if we were told the truth or not, but at the very least there is a bit more evidence pointing to the fact that, say, there was a military conflict in Vietnam 25 years ago, then there is a supernatural diety who wants us to live a certain way. The fact that Jesus warned against it means nothing. *I* warn against it too. Big deal. This is not true. The first two choices here (life and death) are scantily documented, and the last one is total malarky unless one uses the Bible, and that is totally circular. Perhaps it be better to use the imagination, or one's ignorance. Someone else will address this I'm sure, and refer you to plenty of documentation... How is this? There is nothing more disgusting than Christian attempts to manipulate/interpret the Old Testament as being filled with signs for the coming of Christ. Every little reference to a stick or bit of wood is autmoatically interpreted as the Cross. What a miscarriage of philology. Well, since we have skeptical hearts (thank goodness,) there is no way to get into us. Here we have the irreconcilable difference: Christians glorify exactly what we tend to despise or snub: trust/belief/faith without knowledge. If I am lucky one day and I happen to be thinking of God at the same time my enkephalins go up, then I may associate this as a sign of God (it will ""feel"" right, and I will trust without knowing). Maybe. Religosity does not seem to be anything that is conclusively arrived at, but rather it seems to be more of a sudden affliction... I believe many of us were willing to die for what we believed, many of us were not. The question is, is suchg an attitude reflective of a _correct_ or healthy morality. IT would seem not to be. The same thing could reflect fanaticism, for example, and is any case an expression of simple selfishness. -- --Adam",alt.atheism 15,"From article , by cfw@world.std.com (Christopher F Wroten): Good question. Answer: The EISA bus does move 32 bits rather than ISA's 8/(16?) But it still moves it at about the speed as the ISA bus. I think that's either 8 or 10 mhz. The local bus designs also move 32 bits like the EISA, but they move the data at the cpu speed, up to 40 mhz. So, on a 33mhz cpu, the local bus is moving 32bit data at 33 mhz, and the EISA is moving 32bit data at 8 or 10 mhz. So the local bus should be 3 to 4 times faster than EISA on a 33 mhz cpu. EISA should be about two (maybe 3) times as fast as ISA. That's a very good question. The EISA bus does have more advantages over the ISA bus than just it's width. For example: more/better interrupts and bus mastering. But these other factors do not impact a video card very much. They have more impact on file servers with multiple hard drives, full-throttle network cards, cd-roms, etc.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 16,"Iv'e got a problem printing with a StyleWriterII. I am printing from a IIvx with 20 megs ram. I am trying to print a Quark file that has 2 fonts a couple of boxes and 3 gradient fills. Two things happen: I get a "" Disk is full"" error, that I can't find documented, I also have parts of letters that are over one of the gradient fills get cut off. This only happens to the text over the fill. Text adjecent in a different box is uneffected. Any ideas?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 17,"Hello, i'm interested in those devices too. Could also send me your suggestions. Thank in advance. Regards. -- ",comp.graphics 18,"I said what a SILLY boy i was, now i have zillions of messages like ""does that include shipping"" ""is it scsi"" ""what rom version is it"" ""will it work on a maximegalon gargantuabrain 9000"" ok, the deal is this - if you live in the twin cities, email me, and set up a time, sure, you can drop round and grab one for a tenner. Else Min order $20 (2 drives) + shipping. No guarantees they are good for any purpose at all (they look newish & clean), no technical negotiations. They are model 525 floppytape, part # 960273-639 revision D. 17 pin floppy style connector on the back Else They go in the bin - life is too short for extended negotiations over $10 items :-) cheers Mike. ",misc.forsale 19,"I just called Texas' legislative bill tracking service and found out that HB 1776 (Concealed Carry) is scheduled for a floor vote TODAY! Let those phone calls roll in. Daryl",talk.politics.guns 20,"This is an invitation to send articles to the Informatica magazine. The first fully international issue has been published and echoes are quite favourable. For any information, contact (matjaz.gams@ijs.si). Dear Colleague, April 25, 1993 Number 1 of volume 17 of Informatica is now out of print and some of you will receive it in a week or so. As you will see, the journal is structured in the following way: the editorial (first page); profiles (second page -- biography of an editor, in this issue, Terry Winograd); the edited part of papers (pp. 3-80); mission and research reports (A plan for knowledge archives project in Japan and CSLI in Stanford, pp. 81-100); and news and announcements (pp. 101-108). This structure is mentioned to give you a suggestion how could you help to make the contents of the journal significant, diverse, and interesting, bringing your own views into the discourse. A great emphasis is given to the so-called editorial page. This page expresses an opinion (belief) of the writing editor to some problems within the scope of computing and informatics, extending into other concerning disciplines, e.g. cybernetics, advanced AI, cognitive sciences, mind, informationally concerned neural sciences, advanced technology (e.g. photonics), etc. I asked professor Terry Winograd to write this page for Number 2. I certainly would appreciate very much to get suggestions or possible offers from other editors, who like to express their strong (directed) beliefs concerning a future development of the area in question. On the second page of each Number an editor's profile is published. The aim of the profile is twofold: to show his/her professional achievements, interests, scientific, and philosophical orientation on one side; to narrate his/her life story in the environments in which editors has lived and live on the other side. This kind of story should be instructive, adequately factically faced, contributing to the understanding of circumstances in which editors have to act and live. The edited part (edited papers) is still critical. I would like to have a stock of accepted papers in advance, so the issuing dates of a particular number can be fixed (e.g. January, April, July, and October). In situation right now, I ask you to help me with contributions of yours or your colleagues, collaborators, students, etc. Some critical views to the contemporary development of computing and informatics are appreciated. A special emphasis should be given also to originality by which fresh ideas are coming into the circulation of different professional communities. Reports of different occasions (symposia, conferences, meetings, etc.) and particularly on new books, papers, and interesting events are welcome. You can send these news immediately (also by your secretary) by e-mail. On the other hand, you can send books and other publications (annual reports, journals, calls for papers, etc.) for reviewing and publishing in Informatica. We in the editorial staff will manage the rest. E-mail is functioning satisfactorily, so please use it in every respect. You can submit editorial notes, profiles, reports, news and even complete papers written in standard LaTex format (especially formulas). We received several final (corrected) texts in Number 1 from different sites (US, Russia, etc.). In this way, you can compose reports from already typed texts, using your own choice and editing, and submit them to the contact person (matjaz.gams@ijs.si), who is always being on your disposal. So, you will receive a prompt confirmation and any information concerning our common interest and job. At the end, please do not forget: we need your cooperation and help in every mentioned respect. The aim of Informatica is to open various possibilities of communication concerning strong scientific and philosophical orientations as well as those coming up, still unrevealed, and on the way to become significant. Please, do not apprehend to give proposals, suggestions, and, certainly, contributions via the e-mail and by other means. Sincerely yours,",comp.graphics 21,"********************* NEW PRICE *********** I have an extra copy of Lotus 1-2-3 ver 3.4 for DOS. this package was originally $600. I'd like to get $75 for it. please reply by e-mail to jth@bach.udel.edu",misc.forsale 22," Bosnian Muslims are citizens od Bosnia-Herzegovina who identify themselves with Bosnian Muslim cultural and religious tradition. In Bosnia, ""Muslim"" is not merely a religious category, but an ethnic one as well. Actually, here are the two contradictory arguments made by people on this subject: (1) There is only Serbian and Croatian nationality, and Bosnian Muslims are simply Croats and Serbs of Islamic faith. (2) Bosnian Muslims are a separate nationality since they do not feel themselves to be Croats nor Serbs. In 1968, argument (2) was accepted by former Yugoslavia as valid, and (1) was soundly rejected. The reasons are pragmatic: even if Bosnian Muslims are Croats and Serbs who converted to Islam under Turkish rule centuries ago, none of the present generation has any clue what was their ancestor's actual nationality. In fact, although Bosnian Muslims have felt drawn to Croatian or Serbian national allegiance, most of them feel they have a separate cultural and historic identity. So, arguments like ""yes, but your ancestors were Croats or Serbs"" carry very little weight. Regardless of what their ancestors might have been, as long as Bosnian Muslims feel that they are a separate national group, that ends the debate. What outsiders say is simply not relevant. In the case of former Yugoslavia, the date is 1971, when ""Muslim nationality"" appeared as a census category for the first time. This was the result of a sequence of decisions over the past decade, from recognizing ""Bosniaks"" as an ethnic group (1961) to February 1968 resolution (in B-H) declaring that Muslims are a separate nation, to formal endorsement of this in January 1969, and eventually to the 1971 inclusion of ""Muslim nationality"" choice in census forms. For comparison, in 1948 census there were three national categories available to Muslims in Bosnia-Herzegovina: Serb-Muslims: 71,991 Croat-Muslims: 25,295 Muslims, ethnically undeclared: 788,403 This clearly demonstrates that Muslims feel themselves to be their own nationality. Only a tiny minority felt able to choose Serb or Croat nationality. Census results show that Bosnian Muslims have consistently opted for a third category: in 1948 they chose ""undeclared"", in 1953 they chose ""Yugoslavs"", in 1961 both ""Yugoslavs"" and ""Bosniak ethnic group"", and in 1971, 1981 and 1991 they chose ""Muslim nationality"". Perhaps the term ""Bosnian Muslim nationality"" is too confusing for the rest of the world. But, in the present context, we ARE talking about Muslims as nationality; not as a religous group within some separate national identity. The reasons are mostly historical and cultural. Religion plays a smaller role, as a part of culture in general, because the area is simply not known for religious fanaticism. Political fanaticism, yes; religious fanaticism, no. Group security and survival dominate people's thinking; not fine points of theology. In fact, Bosnia-Herzegovina is as well known for religious tolerance in peacetime as it is known for terrible carnage in wartime.",talk.politics.mideast 23," Why not design the solar arrays to be detachable. if the shuttle is going to retunr the HST, what bother are some arrays. just fit them with a quick release. one space walk, or use the second canadarm to remove the arrays.",sci.space 24,"A couple of points :- I have an Adaptec 1542B and am very happy with it. Not so! I have both IDE and an Adaptec1542B in the same box and can use both disks at the same time, eg. IDE to SCSI disk copy. Well, one statement and one correction! Guy",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 25,"Hi sci.med folks... I would like to know anything you folks can tell me regarding Lithium. I have a 10 year old son that lives with my ex-wife. She has been having difficulty with his behavior and has had him on Ritalin, Tofranil, and now wants to try Lithuim at the local doctors suggestion. I would like to know whatever is important that I should know. I worry about this sort of thing and would like pros/cons regarding Lithium therapy. I have a booklet from the ""Lithium Information Center"" based at the University of Wisconsin, but feel that it is pro-lithium and would be interested in comments from the ""not necessarily PRO"" side of the fence. I am a concerned father and just wish to be well informed... Thanks for any information you can provide. Please email me directly... ",sci.med 26," It is said that CELP vocoders can run on the highest speed 486s with some room to spare -- they turn 64kbit (8 bit samples, 8k samples/sec) into 4800 baud. However, DSP is hairy, and I have yet to see actual proof of this in the form of an implementation. I have heard fairly reliable rumors to the effect that a famous internetworking guru has a CELP implementation that runs on Sparcstation 1+'s with some room to spare, but I have not succeeded thus far in getting my hands on a copy -- the guru in question has a reputation for not releasing code without having beaten on it for a very very long time first. DSP experts are heavily encouraged to try their own hand at this problem. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com",sci.crypt 27,"I have a 90 Eagle Talon and I wanted a pair of GTS Headlight covers. Actually, they are turning signal covers since the Talons that year had pop-up lights. I went to a auto shop and bought the tail-light blackouts for $45, but they did not have the turning signal covers in stock. I asked how much it would be and he told me it would cost me another $40. I thought this was a bit high for two small pieces of plastic. Can anyone find me a cheaper pair or even a used one? ",rec.autos 28,"Hi, I need your help with a problem I have with a 1989 Mitsubishi Galant GS transmission. The car has a 5 speed manual tranmission. Since the car was bought new, while shifting from 2nd to 3rd, unless I do it SLOWLY and carefully, it makes a ""popping"" or ""hitting"" sound. The dealer and Mitsubishi customer service (reached by an 800 #) say this is NORMAL for the car. IS IT? And about a year ago, at 35Kmiles, the stick shift handle got STUCK while attempting to put it in reverse: 1- The shifter would not budge. The clutch had no effect. 2- The front tires would not budge, even when the clutch is fully depressed. 3- If the clutch is released the engine would die. 4- Assuming that some gear was engaged while the shifter was stuck, I could not make the car move. It acted as if it were in Neutral(except for dying when clutch is released.) 5- I finally was able to release the shifter by having someone rock the car back and forth (less than an inch), while I depressed the clutch and jiggled the shifter. 6- The shifter acted normally after that. When this happened, I took it to the dealer, they checked the clutch, it was o.k. They checked the transmission, it was o.k. I had the exact problem a couple of months ago, and again last week. The dealer says there is nothing they can do because Mitsubishi (the 800 #) says they have never heard of the problem, and the dealer could not reproduce the problem while they had the car. In all three occurances, the car was parked head first in a garage, and since the front wheels were stuck, the car could not be towed to the dealer before releasing the shifter (hence temporarily solving the problem). And the dealer, and Mitsubishi, refused to send someone to check the car while it was stuck. I KNOW there is smething wrong with the transmission (shifting from 2nd to 3rd), and getting stuck at random, but I can't get the dealer to fix it. I need your help with the mechanical problems, and with how to handle Mitsubishi. All hints and suggestions are greatly appreciated, and sorry to bore you with the long post.",rec.autos 29," I don't know about Canada, but I have heard from people doing translation work in Papua New Quinea, that they like them and have had good response on service. Another is seriously considering buying one. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 30,"I am writing a X-based dosemu which requires XKeyReleasedEvent. I found the keycode of XKeyReleasedEvent is wrong. If I run the program on a Linux host(XFree1.2) with DISPLAY set to the local Linux and to the Sun host (X11R5), the two keycodes from the two Xservers are different. Of course, the keycode of XKeyPressedEvent is O.K. Can anybody verify this ? Did I do anything wrong ? Thanks. ",comp.windows.x 31,"A while back (i.e., several months) someone posted a method for allowing a user to choose (via XMenu and something else??) a window manager interactively at X startup time. Could the original poster (or anyone else) please Email a copy of the method to me, as I have lost the original posting? Thanks. ______________________________________________________________________________ Henry Stilmack ) Computing Systems Manager ) Perform random kindnesses UK/Netherlands/Canada Joint Astronomy Centre ) and senseless acts of beauty 660 N. A'ohoku Place, Hilo, HI 96720 ) hps@jach.Hawaii.Edu 808-969-6530 ) ",comp.windows.x 32,"I'm trying to find a program that will stop the Macs from spitting out their Boot Disk. I was told one exists but I can't find it. Anyone know where I can find it? Thanks Robert Harvey Duty Programmer Information Technology Victoria University",comp.sys.mac.hardware 33,"Recently, I have been getting a CMOS Checksum error when I first turn on my computer. It doesn't happen everytime I turn it on, nor can I predict when it is going to happen. I have an AMI BIOS and all of the setting are lost, for example the drive types and the password options. However, the date and time remain correct. If anyone knows what can be causing this, please let me know.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 34,"Forwarded from Neal Ausman, Galileo Mission Director GALILEO MISSION DIRECTOR STATUS REPORT POST-LAUNCH April 23 - 29, 1993 SPACECRAFT 1. On April 22 and 23, delta Differenced One-way Range (DOR) passes were performed over DSS-14/63 (Goldstone/Madrid 70 meter antennas) and DSS-14/43 (Goldstone/Canberra 70 meter antennas), respectively. Initial results indicate the delta DOR pass on April 22 was unsuccessful due to ground station hardware problems but the one on April 23 was successfully performed. 2. On April 23, a cruise science Memory Readout (MRO) was performed for the Magnetometer (MAG) instrument. Analysis indicates the data was received properly. 3. On April 23, the spare power relay contacts were commanded closed via the spacecraft stored sequence. These relays were commanded closed by the CDS (Command Data Subsystem) prior to launch and were again commanded closed to preclude the possibility at Jupiter of the PPS relays/wiring being a source of internal electrostatic charge (IESD). 4. On April 26, cruise science Memory Readouts (MRO) were performed for the Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer (EUV), Dust Detector (DDS), and Magnetometer (MAG) instruments. Preliminary analysis indicates the data was received properly. 5. During the period from April 26 to April 27, a navigation cycle was performed. This navigation cycle provided near-continuous acquisition of two-way doppler and ranging data during three consecutive passes of the spacecraft over DSS-63, DSS-14, and DSS-43. 6. On April 26, real-time commands were sent to test slew the Radio Relay Antenna (RRA) in preparation for the mini-sequence slew test on April 28. The RRA was slewed from approximately 3.5 degrees from stow to approximately 20.3 degrees. Preliminary analysis indicated the antenna slewed to about 18 degrees which was well within the predicted range. The RRA was commanded back to approximately 15.2 degrees from stow. Preliminary analysis indicated the antenna reached about 15.8 degrees also well within the predicted range. The RRA motor temperature was at 1 degree C at the start of the activity and had increased to 1.6 degrees C at its completion. After verifying proper RRA slewing, the RRA slew test mini-sequence was uplinked to the spacecraft for execution on April 28. Upon successful uplink, a Delayed Action Command (DAC) was sent which will reposition the stator on May 4 to its initial pre-test position. Also, a DAC was sent to turn the Two-Way Noncoherent (TWNC) on April 28 prior to the start of the RRA slew test mini-sequence. 7. On April 27, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. 8. On April 28, the RRA slew test executed nominally. The spacecraft under stored sequence control performed six RRA slews starting at about 16 degrees from stow and going to 53 degrees, back to 25 degrees, then to 51 degrees, back to 22 degrees, then to 48 degrees and then back to 21 degrees. All of the slews were well within the predicted range. The RRA motor temperature was at 2.3 degrees C at the start of the activity and had increased to 4.4 degrees C at its completion. After completion of the RRA slews, real-time commands were sent to reconfigure back to the pre-test configuration. 9. The AC/DC bus imbalance measurements have not exhibited significant change (greater than 25 DN) throughout this period. The AC measurement reads 17 DN (3.9 volts). The DC measurement reads 134 DN (15.7 volts). These measurements are consistent with the model developed by the AC/DC special anomaly team. 10. The Spacecraft status as of April 29, 1993, is as follows: a) System Power Margin - 75 watts b) Spin Configuration - Dual-Spin c) Spin Rate/Sensor - 3.15rpm/Star Scanner d) Spacecraft Attitude is approximately 23 degrees off-sun (lagging) and 4 degrees off-earth (leading) e) Downlink telemetry rate/antenna- 40bps(coded)/LGA-1 f) General Thermal Control - all temperatures within acceptable range g) RPM Tank Pressures - all within acceptable range h) Orbiter Science- Instruments powered on are the PWS, EUV, UVS, EPD, MAG, HIC, and DDS i) Probe/RRH - powered off, temperatures within acceptable range j) CMD Loss Timer Setting - 264 hours Time To Initiation - 203 hours GDS (Ground Data Systems): 1. The first Galileo-GDS test of the MGDS V18.0 Command System (CMD) took place April 27, 1993 with DSS-61 (Madrid 34 meter antenna). The test went well and demonstrated that the new command system interfaced with the new DSN (Deep Space Network) Group 5 Command Processor Assembly (CPA). The test was successful and the next test for V18.0 CMD is scheduled for May 1, 1993 with DSS-15 (Goldstone 34 meter antenna). 2. The April System Engineers Monthly Report(SEMR)/Ground System Development Office (GSDO) MMR was conducted Thursday, April 29. A review of current Project and Institutional (DSN and MOSO) system status was conducted. On-going cruise development plus the GSDO Phase 1 and 2 delivery schedules, past months accomplishments and potential problem areas were discussed. No significant schedule changes or significant problems were reported. TRAJECTORY As of noon Thursday, April 29, 1993, the Galileo Spacecraft trajectory status was as follows: Distance from Earth 187,745,300 km (1.26 AU) Distance from Sun 296,335,800 km (1.98 AU) Heliocentric Speed 89,100 km per hour Distance from Jupiter 522,015,800 km Round Trip Light Time 20 minutes, 58 seconds SPECIAL TOPIC",sci.space 35,"[stuff deleted] I have a similiar question relating to anti-alaising that my friend has asked to have posted to the more knowledgable in this group. I'm sorry if this is an FAQ. ""What anti-alaising methods do Persistance Of Vision & Polyray use?"" Thank you in advance. You can either email me or reply (or flame me if it is an FAQ :-) )",comp.graphics 36,"} Last night, Boston Red Sox win its 11 games of 14 games by beating Seattle } 5-2. Roger Clemson pitch not so dominate. He walked at least 6 man in } first 6 inns. But Valetin and Greenwell hit homeruns and Red Sox prevail. Clemens struggled with his control, but was also the ""beneficiary"" of some pretty shoddy umpiring. but to be fair, most of the walks were early in the game, and he adjusted. he was also helped by (dare i say it?) some pretty good defense by the Sox, including Rivera playing at second, not his normal position. actually, Clemens is pretty lucky that he got the win, considering the Sox almost gave up the lead in the bottom of the 7th on Mo's error catching a throw-over. } I think that game is must win for Red Sox in Seattle, considering Darwin will } faced Seattle ace Randy Johnson tonight. must win? in April? they've already won 4 more games so far than anyone thought they would at this point of the season... i hope people aren't getting too caught up in this streak; it's been fun, but teams have 11-3 streaks all the time, and it is only when they are at the start of the season that they get so much attention.",rec.sport.baseball 37,"Is there any third party video ram adapter for vewing 24 bit color on LCII? I heard that Apple is selling it aroung 160$. Please e-mail me. Thanks. Young youyj@mace.cc.purdue.edu ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 38,"I have a mac LCII 4/80 purchased last august. Just the cpu and mouse... no monitor or keyboard. $800 OBO ",misc.forsale 39,"Does any one know of a decent quality library of routines for performing 3D graphics modelling on the PC? Ideally the routines would be embeded in our application program. Requirements (wish list): - flat surface modelling (simple phong shading optional) - ability to plot hidden-line drawings - Texture mapping -- both procedural and bit map - modeling light sources (local, distant, and spot lights) - Ray-tracing - Radiosity (optional) Any comments would be appreciated. John Chinnick -- jchinnic@mach1.wlu.ca phone : (519) 888-9666",comp.graphics 40,"ERGINEL) asked: [EE] No, no flaming here. Just a simple question. ...with a simple answer! [EE] As far as I know most of the Armenians belong to the Gregorian Orthodox [EE] faith and such was the case in nineteenth century Ottoman Empire. It is [EE] also known that some Armenian communities were converted into Catholicism [EE] and Protestantism by the Western European missionaries in this period. The vast majority of Armenians in eastern Anatolia were Gregorian or Armenian Apostolic. There was, however, a higher percentage of non-Gregorian Armenians in Cilicia, closer to the Mediterranean, in Adana, Marash, Aintab, etc. [EE] Another known fact is that almost half of the Armenians living in Anatolia [EE] did not speak any Armenian, but used Turkish in their everyday lives. This is not true. While it was forbidden for Armenians to speak Armenian in certain areas of Cilician Armenia, most all Armenians spoke Armenian. In fact, Turks who interacted with Armenians also spoke Armenian! For sure, most all Armenians, especially men, also knew Turkish in order to function in larger society. [EE] My question is, given so many separations in the Armenian community, what [EE] was the common denominator of the Armenian people that allowed Armenian [EE] nationalism to emerge in the nineteenth century? As I stated, religion [EE] was not uniform (unlike the Greeks) and many Armenians couldn't even speak [EE] Armenian. I would like to know what factors brought the Armenians in the [EE] Ottoman Empire together and led to the formation of an Armenian [EE] consciousness. The Armenians in Turkey were persecuted because they were Armenian, regardless of the specific branch of Christianity they professed. The resultant Armenian nationalism was in direct reaction to this persecution. Even at the later stages of WWI, and after the genocide, many Armenians who were converted to Islam were also exterminated because they continued as Armenian Moslems. This practice continued well into the 1920s by Ataturk in parallel with the policy of clearing out pockets of steadfast Islamic fundamentalism. Many of these converted Armenians, ironically, in order to stay alive, were staunch Moslems. [EE] Any information will be appreciated. You answered your own question! The common thread throughout your inquiry was the word Armenian! [EE] Regards, ",talk.politics.mideast 41,"Yamanari, ---Hey isn't it funny how betas have bugs in them.... Hey...do me a favor and don't put up stupid posts.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 42," They don't. It's a closed access road, you pay to get in (if you don't have a resident sticker), and they simply don't open the gates if you're on a bike. ",rec.motorcycles 43,"I have a little question: I need to convert RGB-coded (Red-Green-Blue) colors into HVS-coded (Hue-Value-Saturnation) colors. Does anyone know which formulas to use? Thanks!",comp.graphics 44,"Tom Clancy omitted these key steps to try to prevent groups of people from building a nuclear bomb. However, he asserts that you can find these key steps in any university library. The main point of _Five Minutes To Midnight_ is that it is impossible to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons, since it has become easy to acquire the knowledge to build one, and fissible materials are nearly impossible to control. Read this article, or better yet, run to your library yourself and dig up some stuff on constructing a nuclear weapon. Doug Holland ",sci.crypt 45,"I've done a bit of looking, and havn't been able to come up with a mailing list or newsgroup for users of Adobe Photoshop. Assuming I've just not missed it, I'll go ahead and see if there is enough interest to start a mailing list (and/or alt. newsgroup). Drop me a note if you might be interested in subscribing. THANKS! --Bob Wier (NOT of the Grateful Dead :-)",comp.graphics 46," The ""artist renderings"" that I've seen of the HST reboost still have the arrays fully extended, with a cradle holding HST at a ~30 degree angle to the Shuttle. I think the rendering was conceived before the array replacemnet was approved, so I'm not sure if the current reboost will occur with the arrays deployed or not. However, it doesn't appear that an array retraction was necessary for reboost. Thanks for the input on GRO's S/A design constraints. That would explain the similar design on UARS. Heck, the MMS project used to design _missions_ with servicing in mind. The XTE spacecraft was originally designed as an on-orbit replacement for the instrument module on EUVE. That way, you get two instruments for the price of one spacecraft bus (the Explorer Platform). A second on-orbit replacement was also considered, with the FUSE telescope. ",sci.space 47," There should be no problem with this - just remember to get the number of wait states correct! Guy",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 48,": I have seen various references to 'triple des' recently. Could anyone : tell me what it is ? From context, I would guess that it means : encrypting each block 3 times, with a different key each time, but : I'd like to be sure. : Replies by email preferred - our news is unreliable. Could people replying to the above question post their responses here as well, as I'm sure others (including myself) would like to hear them. Thanks. Jon",sci.crypt 49," The CLIPPER initiative is an announcement by Clinton that all the ""secure"" voice phones will use the same crypto chip, as a de-facto government standard. Problem is, the government is admitting that they hold the keys to break the code easily, and the Justice department will be using the keys to listen in on ""illegal activities."" Many people are really scared about such an initiative because it is a major step towards outlawing real crypto protection on things like email if you read the press release. The project was developed by NSA and given to NIST. It uses two keys S1 and S2 that the government claims are needed to break the code. They claim that these keys will be handed to two different companies, and when they get a warrant to do a wiretap (the chip is nicknamed the wiretap chip), they have to get the keys from both companies. People have poked holes through and through the press release official version and shown how it is nowhere near as nice as it sounds, and I have given the simplified version. People over on sci.crypt are really scared about this proposal it seems.",alt.atheism 50," Oh yeah, all the time. On a nice spring/summer day, I roll down the window and drive around looking for bikes. When a bike motors by in the opposite direction, I stick my arm out and hi5'em. My arm feels like a million bucks when I'm doing this a 60km/h. I do the same thing with cyclists. The only problem with hi5ing a cyclist is their always in the right hand lane. I hafta roll down the other window and hi5 them on the back. Oh well, I think they appreciate the thought. Regards, Ted. ",rec.motorcycles 51," Thanks, Jody. I can't say I've ever seen it summed up so succinctly before. I might only add two things.... stupid road design (or poor, at least) and we deal with it for the fun and *brotherhood* we share with others who take their lives in their hads to feel the wind in their hair....IMHO. Binger",rec.motorcycles 52,"As I recall from my bout with kidney stones, there isn't any medication that can do anything about them except relieve the pain. Either they pass, or they have to be broken up with sound, or they have to be extracted surgically. When I was in, the X-ray tech happened to mention that she'd had kidney stones and children, and the childbirth hurt less.",sci.med 53," Let's be careful here. If players' performance was completely random in (Clutch-No Clutch), then you would still expect some players to be good in the clutch every year and some to be not-so-good every year. With two years worth of data, you'd have 1/4 of the players good each year, 1/4 bad each year, and 1/2 would have one good and one bad year. We have 96 players for 5 years ('84-'88). Just flipping a coin, you'd expect 3 players to be good all 5 years and 3 to be bad every year. This is what we actually get-- No. of good years 0 1 2 3 4 5 Clutch performers 4 10 37 24 18 3 Coin flip (random) 3 15 30 30 15 3 Essentially the distribution of clutch performers by number of years of good performance is the same as what you would get if the process leading to deviations from non-clutch performance was completely random. If there was anything to clutch hitting (at least in this definition) that had any predictive capability, you expect to see the number of players at the ends to be much larger than that predicted by flipping a coin. Further, if you limit yourself to players who were a lot above or below average in clutch situations (say, 1 standard deviation from the mean) more than one year, the random explanation still looks good. In the four years ('84-'87) that I looked at the data from Elias, there were 79 (29) players with a minimum of 25 (50) at bats in clutch situations that were 1 sigma from the mean two different years. Of those 79 (29) players, 38 (14) of them changed sign between the two years. In other words, they were great clutch hitters one year and really horrible the other year. If it was just a random process, you'd expect those numbers to be 39.5 (14.5). Everything that's been measured about clutch hitting over a period of years that could be used to predict any ability with any proposed definition has looked like a random process (with the caveat that there may be something related to platoon advantage that could be dragged out of the data--e.g., John Lowenstein probably never had a ""clutch"" AB against a left-handed pitcher, but he might well have had some in blowouts, so that there would be a bias since his clutch ABs would be more geared to his platoon advantage). This is not a subject that has been glanced at casually. A lot of people have put a lot of effort into studying it and every one of them, with the exception of the Elias study, has been unable to find anything that would allow you to predict how someone will do in clutch situations better than flipping a coin. (Self-serving plug follows: some of the flaws in the Elias study are discussed in my paper in the forth- coming SABR book, _The Perfect Game_, by Taylor Publishing. The authors are supposed to get a slice of the advance, so go bug your local bookstores now, and maybe I can get enough to take my wife to dinner once.:-) Harold",rec.sport.baseball 54,Where can I find it ?,None 55," Hmmm. I gave two examples which matched your objective criteria, and your response was some subjective claptrap about them being 'lame'. You never did counter the fact that those examples fit your objective criteria. One wonders who's playing semantic games, here. -- Rick Schaut UUCP:...{uunet | uw-beaver}!microsoft!richs",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 56,"WATCH OUT PITSBURGH HERE COME THE ISLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They said we wouldn't make the playoffs and we came in third They said the Caps would beat us and they're not going to They say that Pitsburgh has a 1:1 ratio of winning the cup but We'll prove them wrong. L E T S G O I S L A N D E R S!!!!!!! Bring it back home ",rec.sport.hockey 57," Quite a few people couldn't have cared less about what happened to the Jews of Europe. If they had cared, they would have done something. Maybe its because many of us, who have been on usenet for several years remember tripe like this being posted: ------------- This was posted fairly recently. There has been much more racist stuff in the past. Why are we expected to listen to it and remain ""calm?"" I don't think that listening to racist or anti-semetic slurs is an incitement to calm debate. Perhaps you don't mean to be coming off as highly offensive. However, the way you have posted seems to be typical of those who have an irrational dislike for Israel and Jews. Perhaps if you took a close look at what you've posted thought a bit about the combatative tone you've used, you would see why people are reacting the way they are. Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu",talk.politics.mideast 58,"This is the AP story from Fri morning. As the walls came tumbling down and tear gas filled the air, cult leader David Koresh sprang into action. He left his third-floor bedroom and began looking around the house, making sure women and children were secure and checking that everyone had their gas masks on properly. Within hours, the compound became an inferno. Nine Branch Davidians excaped. This is their story, gleaned from lawyers who spoke with six of them who are jailed on charges that include conspiracy and murder. That day the six said a portable radio offered the only contact with the outside world since Koresh's right-hand man, Steve Schneider, ripped out the compounds's phone line after FBI agents called before dawn Monday saying this was the cults last chance: Come out or prepare to get forced out. They kept their word. By dawn, tanks were battering the Mount Carmel compound, punching for hours to creat holes for tear gas to enter. The BD meanwhile proceeded with their daily routines. Strapped into gas masks, the women did laundry. Others read Bibles in their rooms. The 17 children, all under 10, remained by their mothers' sides. Still, it was hard to ignore what was happening around them. Each time a tank rammed the poorly-constructed building it shook violently. Cult members dodges falling gypsum wallboard and doors. Hundreds of gas canisters hurled in from the armored vehicles were filling the air with noxious fumes. The flying canisters were more frightening than the tanks. At least one man was hit in the face. The gas began filling the air, driven by heavy gusts of wind coming through windows and the holes the tanks made. Scattered throughout the house, the cult members made no efforts to gather. Then the FBI sent in its biggest weapon -- a massive armored vehicle headed for a chamber, lined with cinder blocks, where authorities hoped to find Koresh and Schneider and fire tear gas directly at them. Here the cult members' story diverges from the government's version. The FBI says cult members set fires in three places. But each of the six cult members, in separate discussions with lawyers, consistently gave versions at odds with the FBI's account. They say the tank flattened a barrel of propane, spilling its contents. And as the tank thundered through the house, it tipped over lit lanterns, spitting flames that ignited the propane and other flammables. The home of used lumber, plywood, and wallboard tacked together with tar paper was vulnerable. The building erupted. Nine BD's escaped jumping through windows and dashing through other openings. Others died groping in the blackness.",talk.politics.guns 59,"James Nicholl sez; Jeff responds; I wouldn't worry too much about it, Jeff. If you work for JPL, then your job IS imaging things :-) (I know, it was a just a typo, but I couldn't resist. At least, I hope it was a typo, or my stupid joke is stupider than I intended :-) -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows.",sci.space 60," We were having a problem with instability in the universal gravitational constant that day: the closer I got to those exposed fangs (still dripping, no doubt, with the viscera of the last foolhardy experimenter cum canine psychology) the bigger and heavier the dog appeared to become. Also, recall that the distribution of the ~150lb is one five pound jaw+teeth operated by two 70lb muscles driven by a .005 ounce brain possessing an instinctual heuristic composed of equal parts of bloodlust and ravening hunger. The other ~5 lb is, of course, dog poop, but that varies all over the place as the dog deposits it regularly on the painstakingly manicured and tended lawns of the dog's owner's neighbors (whilst continuously replenishing its inexhaustible supply, no doubt by consuming the likes of folks like me). My very thought at the time, but as I looked down at these once formidable instruments of mayhem, I realized they had become weak and atrophied by too many sedentary hours tapping away at my ergonomically-correct CRT keyboard. There was only one option left: I reached down to the toolbox near my car and grasped my Craftsman 150 ft-lb torque wrench, surely the bludgeon of dire necessity if ever there was one. To my amazement and confusion, the setter started shaking and rolling on the grass, then leapt to its feet and vanished down the street, still quivering and occasionally looking back at me. ""Seven at One Blow!"" I exclaimed, flexing my new-found biceps and brandishing my Terrible Weapon of Invincibility as I stalked the now-secure environs of my domicile. It was only later that I found out what the dog apparently knew all along: the wrench was defective, would no longer measure torque accurately, and Sears wouldn't fix it or replace it. What I had interpreted as fear and subservience were in fact unmitigated hilarity and contempt. Exactly: nobody can look quite as silly as we can.",rec.motorcycles 61,"I watched the game Germany-Czechs in WC today...and i was astonished about the behaviour of the German audience! The German team got a few penalties in the last period and the crowd went grazy! They threw coins, extra pucks and other trash into the rink...is that stupid or what?? I guess the Canadian referee (one of the Isostar-bros ;) gave the German team a penalty for that, but it didn't help much. I guess the Germans just are proud over their Nazi-Kill-'em-All-Everyone- But-Us-Germans-Sucks attitude...they just seem to have that kind of attitude in every possible sport (remember the European champs in Stockholm in soccer) It really pisses me off! I do not mean that every single German has this attitude that sucks, but most of them seem to do...",rec.sport.hockey 62," All right! Let's hope they get off their rear ends and do something because the UN clearly is content to sit on its. ",talk.politics.mideast 63,"-- Douglas C. Meier | You can't play Electro-magnetic Golf Northwestern University, ACNS | according to the rules of Centrifugal This University is too Commie- | Bumblepuppy. -Huxley, Brave New World Lib Pinko to have these views. | dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu ",talk.religion.misc 64,"Hello, recently I noticed there is a directory named ""DiskImage"" in my disk. I didn't notice it before and I wonder if while installing an application an image of the disk was created, or if Win3.1 automatically created a backup of its files. I couldn't find any documentation on the diskimage utility; having an image of the disk is taking *a lot* of disk space. Does anybody know if this is just something the people who installed Win3.1 did or it is a backup mechanism? Thanks, Anibal -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anibal Mayorga | 21 Wenark Dr #7 | W: (302) 831-8704 mayorga@cis.udel.edu | Newark, DE 19713 | H: (302) 453-0309",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 65,"The White House Office of the Press Secretary ----------------------------------------------------------------- For Immediate Release April 19, 1993 STATEMENT OF PRESIDENT CLINTON I am deeply saddened by the loss of life in Waco today. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of David Koresh's victims. The law enforcement agencies involved in the Waco siege recommended the course of action pursued today. The Attorney General informed me of their analysis and judgment and recommended that we proceed with today's action given the risks of maintaining the previous policy indefinitely. I told the Attorney General to do what she thought was right, and I stand by that decision. ",talk.politics.misc 66," Your post is based on the premise that the laws as they stand do not discriminate anybody, so your argument falls over immediately. Are you really that dumb as to use emotive language to prove an argument? Please feel free to answer, that is, if you have anything intelligent to say on the matter. ",talk.politics.misc 67," Do I ever!!!!!! After 2 years of having health problems that had been cleared up w/allery shots, and not knowing why, I went and was re-tested. I actually did better than when I had been tested 2 years ago.... Then putting 2 + 2 together, I realized that it all started back up when the laser printer came into the office. I kept track of the usage, and on hi use days, I was worse. I got better over the weekends.... The laser printer is gone, I'm 100% better!!!..... Whether it is the toner dust or chemicals, I dont know (I am highly allergic to dust...), but it definitely was the laser printer.... brenda peters carderock div, nswc, david taylor model basin bethesda, md 20084 e-mail : cape@dtvms.dt.navy.mil or",sci.med 68," Then Einstein should have had lunch with me at the Tien Fu on Castro Street yesterday, when they handed me a fortune cookie that said ""He who has imagination but not knowledge has wings, but no feet"".",alt.atheism 69," Quite honestly, this one is ridiculous. Consider the following scenario: Runner on third. As the pitcher starts to throw home, the runner takes off for home and the batter squares around to bunt for the suicide squeeze. The pitcher, seeing this, does not throw home, but stops in mid action and puts the runner in a run down. It is the balk rule that prevents this from happening. Believe it or not, this actually happened to me once in an OBA (Ontario Baseball association) game in Milton, Ontario. I was the batter and to my amazement, the umpire missed it. In the 12 years that I played ball, this was worst piece of umpiring I ever saw.",rec.sport.baseball 70," : To those of you who have the BMW heated handgrips: : What are they like during the summer? Yes, you : wiseguy, I mean while they are off! : Are they comfortable? Do they transmit a lot of : vibration? How do they compare to the stock grips? : To foam grips? : Do they really make a difference during the winter? I just got a K75 and had the heated grips installed. As far as I can tell the grips look and feel the same as the standard grips. They are *not* soft. Last weekend I did a 500 mile round-trip and got to a point where it was in the 30s and raining. Those heated grips were *great*. I've only had the bike a month and the heated grips are already one of my favorite features on the bike.",rec.motorcycles 71," Not this again. ",None 72,"The tv coverage of the playoffs is fucking ridicules. Overtime time games that are not shown? What the hell kind of shit is this? If that would have happened to the Flyers(if they were in the damn playoffs to begin with) while I was watching, I would have gone throught the roof! However, everybody is getting pissed off at ESPN, but they are not the ones to blame. They have prior contracts that they just can't simply break whenever they want to. The N.H.L. is to blame. When they signed the deal with ESPN, they had to know of this. They had to know shit like this would happen since they wouldn't have complete priority. The N.H.L. should be feeling the heat that is being thrown at ESPN. How can the N.H.L. do this to its fans? How dare they. We are the ones that make the damn league exist and they can't even televise complete playoff games for us to watch! They more I write about this, the more pissed off I get. We must let the N.H.L. know that we expect a little better than this. If anybody out there knows how to go about doing this, let me and everybody else know. Well I had to get that off my chest and while I'm at it.... Mario is the Michael Jordan of hockey. All that fucker has to do is fall on the ice and the closet guy to him gets at least 2. Last night in the 3rd game between NJ and Pitt, he was being pushed while skating across the front of the goal while trying to get a shot off. The guy on him was doing a good job, so he got off a weak shot, but then he decided to fall to the ice. Then the fucking ref(Van Helloamend?) called the guy for holding. They replayed the play, and my roomate(who is clueless about hockey) wanted to know what the NJ guy did to get a call, because it was so fucking obvious the NJ player had both hands on his stick, and no, he did not trip him. It is simple, Mario gets touched, he falls to the ice, automatic 2. But the thing that really pissed me off is, Pitt scored the 3rd or 4th goal, I don't remember, on the resulting PP and eventually won 4-3. His diving/calls makes a HUGE difference in the outcome of a game. They gotta stop the damn holding and interference that is so fucking obvious. That is not hockey. It allows inferior players to bring down the level of the better players, and allows inferior teams to beat better ones. This has pissed me off for many years now, and it has improved somewhat. However, during the playoffs and 3rd periods, the damn refs must misplace their balls, because they sure don't make any calls that show that they got any. All agreeing or disagreeing replies are welcomed.",rec.sport.hockey 73," No, which is why I want an investigation. Who ever said he was? What is obvious is that he was defending himself, and his followers, from the government. Whether you think he was right or wrong in this is another question. If he was right, then he had the moral right to kill those kgBATF agents. --Ray Cote",talk.religion.misc 74," I have one of these monitors. It appears to function OK, but is unhookable to anything standard (CGA,EGA,VGA) - it will plug in but gives fuzzy diagonal noise. I also have a graphics board that is apparently a 3270 graphic board (double card with 2 8-bit bus connectors, and a 9-pin female connector with a picture of monitor). I tried plugging these two into a standard AT to no avail. How can one connect these to (the monitor seems to be of relatively high quality, so I'm curious)? Any special drivers and/or setup needed - I can't locate any jumpers on the card. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 75," They changed the lights and slope of the hood, along with the new grille. Otherwise, it is unchanged. Interestingly, their lack of wood and lack of a grille was a BIG design statement... they tried to defy conventional wisdom and carve their own niche ... unfortunately, sales were only half those of the LEXUS and hence, they now join the pack. I still wonder if much of the problem wasn't the slow start from the initial AD campaign. Personally, I like the Q without the Grille.",rec.autos 76," True. Today's Boston Globe interviewed a former Unification Church leader who is now a consultant on cults. He said the FBI's approach was totally wrong. He said they should have tried to break down the BD's loyalty to Koresh through psychological means. Koresh's whole theology was based on an approaching confrontation with the forces of evil in the world and a seige mentality based on this. The Feds played into his hands **PERFECTLY**. By surrounding the compound with tanks and playing loud rock music and glaring lights at them they strongly reinforced Koresh's message that the outside world was evil and threatening. He said instead they should have set up a picnic atmosphere, and acted inviting and friendly. If they broadcast anything over PA systems it should have been loving relatives reflecting on pleasant events from the cult members' childhoods. The idea is to make the outside world and surrender seem like a pleasant, desirable alternative. Interesting comments. ",talk.politics.misc 77,"I am thinking of buying a used Audi 90 Auto. These cars look good and Audi do have a good rep. for these cars in Europe (where I'm from). I was just wondering if there anything about these cars that I should know.",rec.autos 78," ...which would make the number 15%, right Clayton?",None 79,"[...] Tim Wallach can be explained with the rabbitball. Deion can be explained as ""learning how to play the game"". I'm not betting that Deion will be able to play as well as last year, but I think the odds of Deion playing as well or better than he did last year are better than the odds of Otis Nixon doing the same thing. When you factor in defense, Otis was more valuable last year. But I'm not convinced he'll be more valuable this year, and especially next year. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic",rec.sport.baseball 80,"Howdy All! I have recently converted to Microsoft Visual C++. I no longer want my Borland C++ 3.1 w/Application Frameworks product. This version is about 6 months old. I have all of the manuals, disks (5.25""), etc. It is licensed to me but I will transfer the license to the purchaser under the accepted terms of the Borland license agreement. I also have a copy of the books: ""Developing Windows Applications with Borland C++ 3"", James McCord, Sams (39.95) ""Using Borland C++ 3 2nd ed"", Mark & Lee Atkinson"", Que (29.95) I'd like to do is sell it all to the highest bidder under the conditions listed below. I'll ship C.O.D. to anywhere in the U.S. via the shipper of your choice (provided they are local to me), and I will pay the COD charges (you just pay for the shipping). The list price for the product is about $750. I have seen it advertised for as low as $500. I will accept the best offer over $375 (plus shipping as described above) which is 1/2 the list price, plus, I'm tossing in the 2 books listed above (which are a $70 value). I will hold the bidding open through the weekend and close it sometime in the evening of 4/26/93. Please reply via eMail. Only serious offers please apply. No, I will not consider anything for trade, nor any offers less then $375 as I consider it a fair price. Regards, Steve.",misc.forsale 81," I have indeed heard of Pythagoras, but I don't know that he was ever disparaged as a ""bean eater"". In the American Southwest and West (e.g., Texas, California, Colorado), the term ""bean eater"" is sometimes used as a slur against those of Hispanic heritage (generally Mexicans, in those parts) -- much like how the Irish in the Northeast are perceived (by some) as voracious beer guzzlers.",talk.politics.misc 82,"In September 1990, our medical reserve unit was sent to the KETZIOT prison camp to take care of Arab prisoner who were housed in 5 sections of 1500 prisoners each, with each section subdivided in 5 units housing 300 prisoners. The prisoners would ""communicate"" with other distant sections (sometimes 50-100 yards away) by taking stones, tying written notes to the stones, and throwing them with incredible precision to other sections. I should have been a recruiter for the Red Sox :-) There were at least three prisoners who could have been outstanding pitchers.",talk.politics.mideast 83," Those chimes indicate a hardware failure of some type during System startup.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 84,"Hi, I am looking for a very high speed D/A converter (at least 8bits and 150MHz) for a research application. A paper in the January issue of IEEE Solid-State Circuits mentions a GaAs, 1GHz, 8bit DAC - anyone know where I can find such a thing? Even a somewhat slower Si DAC would do. Needless to say, I have looked in all the conventional places (Vitesse, Motorola, National, etc. etc.). Any pointers would be appreciated.",sci.electronics 85," Whoa. What you are effectively doing is implying that if a player plays really well, he 'stores up' mistakes that can be used at a later time. Ths is not so. Roy is the 'villain', as you so succinctly put it, because he allowed a very cheap goal. If you think Roy outplayed Hextall, perhaps you should get a tape of the game and watch the first 7-8 minutes of the third period. NHL goaltenders _make_ some great saves. If they did not, they would not be in the NHL in the first place. I do not expect any particular goalie to be able to make the great saves all of the time, even though they are occasionally required. However, when it comes to a routine shot like Sakic's, especially at such a crucial time in a game, I don't think there are any legitimate excuses. I am not arguing that Hextall was brilliant. I am arguing is that a relatively weak wrist shot from the outside of the circle shold not result in a goal. In a one-goal game with less than a minute to go there is no such thing as 'just the 1 goal'. I have not defended Dionne for taking the penalty either...in fact I think it was a boneheaded move. But it led to _one_ goal only, and Montreal had a _two_ goal lead. My main concern is the second goal. What you say about the skaters is absolutely true. But realize that the game was effectively *won*. You could watch any hockey game (in fact, you could watch any sporting event period) and spend hours discussing the 'what if's' w.r.t. missed opportunities. They are not important when the final result is decided. If I get the time soon, I'll watch the game again and email you a list of lucky Montreal bounces and a list of Quebec offensive screwups. Montreal was _leading_ with a minute to go. The goalie is the last line of defence, and I will grant that extra attention is focussed on him, sometimes without justification. But Roy gave up a *lousy* goal, and a team cannot afford such a goal. WHO CARES? Of what value is it to justify one lousy play with a totally unrelated lousy play? I could do a Hextall critique if you'd like. But if you're going to assess his performance, keep in mind that he made the key saves at the key times. For the record, I did not say that Roy was not one of the top goaltenders in the league. In fact, I agree that he is. I assume you are referring to me. However, I have pointed out that I think the loss can be blamed on Roy. I have not said he sucks, nor do I think I've made any other 'derogatory comments'. If you regard objective (and informed, FYI) observations as derogatory, I really can't help you. ",rec.sport.hockey 86," You forgot the part about encasing it in a small shaped charge so that if anyone tries to tamper with it, it explodes and kills you. Oh, and the shaped charge can be set off by remote control...but only if you get out of line. Properly patriotic citizens have nothing to fear.",talk.politics.guns 87,,None 88," How DARE you make such an accusation! There are MANY sober, non-drinkers in this state! If We wern't so busy unloading the beer truck for the week end, I might just come up that and have a talk wit you! B-> ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----",rec.motorcycles 89,"Hey All- We have an old (1990) external HD attached to the Plus in our lab. It had given us flawless service until last week. The problem: Someone in our lab has an old 512 that was upgraded a couple years ago to a Plus with an aftermarket SIMM/SCSI setup (Digigraphics ""SIMMer""). the DB25 SCSI plug runs through the back of the machine and attaches to the board with a 26-pin rectangular connector. Well, this guy had removed the back from the machine, to put more memory in, and had disconnected the the SCSI plug. Since the 26-pin connector is symmetrical (not keyed) he may have reinstalled it upside down, essentially reversing the pins on the DB25. He came in and asked if he could try out our HD on his SCSI port (it had never been used). Naive fools that we are, we said o.k.. His computer failed to recognize the drive. Now, none of the computers in our lab will recognize it. We tried Disk Doctor, and it doesn't recognize anything on the SCSI chain. Could installing the SCSI upside down have wrecked the HD's driver board? The drive seems to spin up all right and unpark itself upon powerup. The events are too coincidental to attribute the problem to stiction. Any help greatly appreciated-",comp.sys.mac.hardware 90,"I'd like to thank everyone and anyone who sent me information to help me with my project. _______ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ --| |- | | | | / /\ \ | |\ \ | | \ \/ / | | | -- | / -- \ | | \ \ | | \ / | | | __ | / ----- \ | | \ \| | / /\ \ |_| |__| |__| /__/ \__\ |_| \____| /__/ \_\ I'll send my report to all who requested a copy! ",sci.space 91,"Yes, I could look it up but I prefer to post this question to the net... I read somewhere in a long forgotten article that the handsignals used by major league umps were originally used to help a deaf ball player by the name of ""Dummy"". Urban myth? True? I gots ta know. ",rec.sport.baseball 92,": In article <1r6p8oINN8hi@clem.handheld.com>, jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De : > : > I have not made up my mind about Waco, but there sure seems to be a group of : > devoted government following fanatics willing to believe whatever that : > government wants to tell them, without any shred of doubt, nor thought of thier : > own. They sure get shrill whenever their belief structure is being shaken. : > : > Kinda reminds you of the BDs, doesn't it? : > : > Jim : Go to hell. I'm no ""government [-] following fanatic."" Your sweeping : generalizations evince your own ignorance. What were they supposed to do? : Just let him be? Yes. Given the history of the BD's and the fact that they were just peacefully minding their own business, I think this would have been the correct course of action in the very beginning. Everything that followed was a direct result of the major media fuck-up that the BATF perpetrated just over 51 days ago. :Fuck him. Fuck the ATF, too. They should've done it right : the first time. : joe.kusmierczak@mail.trincoll.edu Yep, no doubt about it. They should have just bombed those kooks right from the git-go. Yeah, sure! So much for any resemblence to an America that abides by the Constitution. So much for feeling safe in your home. So much for any of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights being upheld. Why bother? They just get in the way of an effective government. That is, a government of the elite, by the elite, for the elite. Joe, attitudes like yours frighten me. You have very few facts about what actually happened, and what information you do have came from a single source, the FBI/BATF. Yet you are more than happy to pronounce the BD's guilty-as-charged based on this one-sided testimony. Scary! ",talk.politics.guns 93," How about Acts 11: 15-18, 22-23 or, I John 4:1-8 which says to *try* the spirits to see if they be of God. How do you know? When have you tried to learn anything about me? -- ",soc.religion.christian 94," Are you aware you can make a grenade with gunpower and metal water pipes? Maybe we should outlaw hardware stores and ammo reloading. Are you aware that you can make a firebomb with gasoline? etc. ",talk.politics.guns 95," Not by any standard of history I've seen. Care to back this up, sans the lies apologists are so fond of? Not really. Most of the prophesies aren't even prophesies. They're prayers and comments taken from the Torah quite out of context. Seems Xians started lying right from the beginning. My we're an arrogant ass, aren't we? You're wrong to think we haven't. The trust was in something that doesn't exist. I'm still willing to die for what I believe and don't believe. So were the loonies in Waco. So what? Besides, the point's not to die for what one believes in. The point's to make that other sorry son-of-a-bitch to die for what *he* believes in! :) Doesn't anyone else here get tired of these cretins' tirades? Peter the Damed, and damned proud of it!",alt.atheism 96," At the time I didn't really want the Sox to sign either. I was more than a little worried about Viola's elbow. But you *surely* remember my shout of relief when, after a week of rumors that Morris was coming to the Red Sox, they ended up with Viola instead. Now I'm even happier. Viola seems to have rebounded nicely. How long did Viola sign for. Three years? I generally agree with their policy of avoiding long-term contracts for pitchers. But I think they enforce it rather too strictly. These days the premier pitchers all sign three or four year deals. Which leaves the Jays with Morris and Stewart. If the Jays want to compete for top free agent pitchers, they will have to accept greater risks. Any idea what the option year deal is for Morris? Are there any automatic activation clauses? What is the buyout amount?f",rec.sport.baseball 97,"I got a ET4000/W32 card which is made by Cardex yesterday and ran a winmark test on it. The card is a VL-BUS card which can display 16.7 million colours in 640x480 mode with 1MB DRAM. It comes with ET4000/W32 window drivers and a normal Et4000 drivers. The ET4000/W32 drivers handles, 640x480, 800x600, 1024x786 in 256 colours. Also, in 640x480 and 800x600, it supports hicolor, 32K and 64K colours. Here is my winmark result running on a 16MB 486DX33 EISA/VL-BUS system using Hint chipsets. Winmark 3.11 from ZD lab. Using ET4000/W32 drivers 640x480 256 10.63 megapixel/sec. 32k 7.34 64k 7.30 800x600 256 10.07 32k 6.38 64k 6.35 1kx786 256 8.17 Using ET4000 drivers. 640x480 16M 1.78 800x600 16colours 4.01 1kx786 16 4.22 From the result, the ET4000/W32 drivers are specialized to use the hardware feature of the Et4000/W32 chip whereas the ET4000 drivers are just normal driver for ET4000 based graphics card. The price of this graphics card that I got is $185 from a local dealer. It may be less from mail order. It has OS/2 2.0 drivers comes with it which supports 256 colors on all resolution. From these results, it has double the performance of a Et4000AX based card in 256 colours mode. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 98,"I am servicing a machine (HP-286) and whenever the thing starts up I get 4 beeps on powerup. Does anyone know what error message that signifies? I don't seem to have any problem with the machine but the lady who is using it is ""very concerned"" about it. Don't you just love HP computers??? Preferr responses by E-mail but I read the net so you can post it here. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 99,"pprun@august.it.uswc.uswe Unites States Senate Washington, D.C. 20510 The House of Representatives Washington, D.C. 20515 The White House Washington, D.C. 20500 -Seth __________________________________________________________________________ [unlike cats] dogs NEVER scratch you when you wash them. They just become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong. -Dave Barry",talk.politics.guns 100,"Hello All! It is my understanding that all True-Type fonts in Windows are loaded in prior to starting Windows - this makes getting into Windows quite slow if you have hundreds of them as I do. First off, am I correct in this thinking - secondly, if that is the case - can you get Windows to ignore them on boot and maybe make something like a PIF file to load them only when you enter the applications that need fonts? Any ideas? Chris",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 101,"In <1993Apr21.211038.12363@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca ",None 102," Ejon Matejevic who was a full professor at Clarkson University, last I heard, developed the process for sticking Teflon to metals. I don't think it was a NASA project, cuz i heard he held the patent on it, and had made quite a bundle off it. Anyone from Clarkson know the Exact story. I never wanted to ask him myself.",sci.space 103,"Recently an e-mail to me mentioned: (Technically, the messengers aren't even human so it *can't* be a case of ""homosexuality"" -- even of rape.) [...] The Jude reference to Sodom is also meaningful only in the context of the Sodomites' ""lust"" for the ""other flesh"" of angels. Again, application to homosexual behavior in general, or to the position of gay Christians is largeely specious. *** Are angels ""flesh""? No. I feel that this is saying that it was because of their lust after other men, who are flesh( or of this world). what are other opinons on this? I haven't heard much about this verse at all. In Christ's Love, Bryan",soc.religion.christian 104,"On a few computers which we have here at Sheridan College there are files which we would like to make read only. I have used the Dos attrib command but some people, who carry around the attrib program in their pockets, have still been able to erase some of the more important files. Are there any software packages which would make an entire drive read-only? An example, partition the drive into two partitions and have the first drive contain the important files which can be only read and the second drive you could both read and write. Any and all enquiries or help would be appreciated.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 105," In this case, it was unimportant as to who set the fire. The Davidians would have burned no matter what, ESPECIALLY if the BATF/FBI set the fire as this would make the beseiged martyrs to Vernon Howell and therefore rocket to heaven. A few comments from the remaining Davidians scattered throughout the country seemed to confirm this theory (One cult member said that she wished that she had been there, and that now she would have to wait for Vernon to Return for them. She actually seemed upset that she did not burn with them). While I think that Vernon started the fire (his followers anyway), it is incidental to their reaction. ",talk.politics.guns 106," Listen guys you can talk about this the whole playoffs. I'm here in a small town in southern Illinois at school. I'm from Canada and I know that cbc and tsn have games on every night, all you have to do is go to a bar with a satellite. I have watched both games between Mon Que and toronto and detroit, not to mention Van vs Winn and with cbc. They show all goals from every game that evening so I haven't missed a goal all playoffs. Well have to go boy leafs are on Ciao.",rec.sport.hockey 107,"I purchased an LCIII recently and had heard a bit about a re-work of the logic board. I opened mine up and found the same re-work, with a small chip glued to the board and a couple of green wires running from it to two other chips. I'd like to know more about it. Could anyone with any or all of the following information please post it? Thanks a bunch. 1. What does the re-work accomplish (i.e., what does it fix)? 2. What are the technical details of the re-work? (I'm looking for things such as the purpose of the chips with the new wires connected, and the pin-outs for those chips.) 3. Is a board with the re-work any different functionally from one without? 4. Could the re-worked boards be incompatible with future releases of the operating system? and, finally, 5. Should I even be concerned about any of this? ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 108,"Regarding the feasability of retrieving the HST for repair and relaunching it: (Caution: speculation mode engaged) There is another consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet. I expect that retrieving HST would involve 'damaging' it considerably in order to return it to its cradle in the cargo bay. Most of the deployed items (antennas and, especially, the solar arays) probably are not retractable into their fully stowed position, even by hand. They would have to be removed by the astronauts. (The only advantage that this might yield is that we could put new panels on that don't 'ring' due to thermal cycle stresses...) I also expect that, as has been discussed, the landing loads on the HST optics structure is a big issue (but that the reentry loads are much less so.) Can the moveable optical components even be re-caged (I assume that they were caged for launch)? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Corvin zwork@starfighter.den.mmc.com GN&C R&D Martin Marietta Astronautics ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- =============== My views, not Martin Marietta's ========================",sci.space 109,"I'm working on an audio mixer project, but I'm having trouble finding parts. I want to use op-amps for the gain control stages. The ones I have found that are good for audio are LM739 and LM833, but I cannot find either of these in the electronic parts places I've looked. Are there any good substitute op-amps and/or are there any parts suppliers in the LA area that carry this kind of thing (10KOhm dual audio taper slider pots would be nice, too). Any info would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.",sci.electronics 110," Is there an ""official DoD products-of-choice"" list? If so would the appropriate party please post it. -Erc.",rec.motorcycles 111,"I have a 486 DX 33 motherboard in my pc that i'd like to speed up. I'd rather not replace the whole motherboard, instead i'd like to know if i can use a DX/2 66Mhz cpu. The BIOS is late model AMI, circa 1991, and the system crystal is approx 66.3Mhz. My question is, can i just replace the original 33MHz cpu with the new DX/2 cpu? If its possible, will there be a need for extra cooling devices such as heatsinks and / or muffin fans??",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 112," It has nothing to do with how long they have been voting, as much as HOW they have been voting. Pick up a list of the Labor parties proposals for MK prior to the election and pay attention to the order. Correlate this with the number of Arab party members eligible to vote in party elections. Further correlate this with the voting results from Arab areas. Lo and behold, you will discover that Israeli Arab Labor party members did not band together unanimously or en large for a select group of Arab candidates. This problem is further exacerbated by the rifts between Israeli Arabs. Some claim membership to right wing parties while others vote for parties that do not pass the minimum cutoff. I worked within the labor party during the late 70's elections (not this last one) as a volunteer and was privy to the voting results that were returned from the local delegates elected. At the time, the system was structured differently but it did not cease to amaze me that there was no massive effort to lobby for Arab reps. by their own delegates. Quite simply, if all eligible Arab voters became members of the Labor party and voted, they would be able to command more than %15 of the delegates. This is a power base that can not be ignored! Especially when they are not ranked high in the party (once again due to lack of political power). I have seen how the labor party works from the inside and my experience has been that, as in most political situations, the MKs act out of their own self-interest. And to answer your question, I ""broke"" with labor because I felt that they were heeding too much to the right-wing and ultra-orthodox coalition members. Fair enough. My take on the matter, and I will admit to the possibility that this might be seen differently is that this was a dummy argument. If he was sitting on the committee, then someone else obviously would not be. In drumming up support for his seat, MK [?] would not be averse to using this argument, or it could be used on his behalf. As to the proof presented in this article, I would find it very interesting to know who proposed the compromise along with a followup describing how the matter stands/was resolved. Let me just take this opportunity to say that I deplore such actions and groundless justifications. For the record, Roni Milo, is a brash MK (self described) from the Likud (note NOT LABOR). Quite frankly, I don't think anything he would say could surprise me. Annoy and aggravate, yes, surprise - no. Yes I do and thank you for providing it. I would be most interested in knowing how things turned out. Anyone......? ",talk.politics.mideast 113,"Yes, but what if my monitor only has 3 BNC's on it, and is expecting to get a composite sync signal on the ""green""? There ought to be a little black box that takes the VGA signalling (which has horiz, vert, and composite sync on different pins, plus the R, G, and B pairs) and merges the green and composite sync together in the output. It's all 1V analog, as far as I know. I can build this with op-amps but I don't think I can get the shielding done well enough to handle the frequencies involved without lots of shadows and junk on the screen. Does anyone know of a VGA->RGB(composite sync on green) converter?",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 114," Yeah! I found beelzebub inside a worm...yeah, that's it! (actually it was vodka - Gordon's if I remember correctly... I didn't even buy it (of course, that's probably the reason I drank _so_ much of it that night...never again.) ",rec.motorcycles 115,"Are you guys talking about the Soviet ""shuttle""? It's not ""Soyuz"", it's called ""Buran"" which means ""snow storm."" (At least that's what they call it on Russian TV). ",sci.space 116," Warren, I agree with your premise... but... The Babe won on two teams. That's right, he was part of the Red Sox Dynasty of the 1910s. And everyone knows that the Yankee Dynsaty wouldn't have happened without thier famous bullpen catcher whose name escapes me at the moment.",rec.sport.baseball 117," #include #endif /* SYS5DIR */ ! #if defined(SVR4) || defined(ncr) #include #endif --- 24,31 ---- #include #include #endif /* SYS5DIR */ ! #if defined(SVR4) || defined(ncr) || defined(SYS5) ! #define MAXPATHLEN 1024 #include #endif That took care of everything but the man pages, which I installed by hand. Good luck, -- Steve",comp.windows.x 124,"so. done, career Velarde hasn't been to Columbus, if I recall, for about three years. Granted, he hasn't been a full time player but when he does play I've always thought he had a good bat. He might be demoralized about not playing full time, but he hasn't been shuttled around. I think he's been in New York ever since he had 34 hits in 100 AB back in 1989, or 90, I believe. I don't think he is gold glove calibre, but he doesn't boot it around either. I think if Velarde is given a chance, he could become extremely productive. I don't have any stats to back this up, and I don't know if his Defense would cost any games, but I think he could help - and he has this year. He has 3 HR already. Same goes for Jim Leyrtiz. He has a big mouth, but he does get the job done when he concentrates. I think the situation with Leyritz is that he believes he is a potential super-star, and he gets pissed about not playing. I think he might have realized something when the Marlins or Rockies didn't select him. The Yanks need to worry about the Bullpen right now. Kamieniecki and Wickman/Militello in the bullpen? Ouch. I'm praying that the BP will return to last year's form.... ",rec.sport.baseball 125," Bill, No flame intended but you're way, way off base. In simple terms Kirilian photography registers the electromagnetical fields around objects, in simple, it takes pictures of your aura. -- Greg ",sci.med 126,"Can people please stop the 'I think/know the BATF/FBI are completely responsible but they'll cover it up so that the investigation will show that Koresch is responsible' bs. In an investigation of this size with the feds, state, and civilians involved in the investigation it would be practially impossible to cover up. And with Republicans like Arlen Spector calling for investigations, this isn't going to be handled with kid gloves.",talk.politics.misc 127," Well, as many a bored bike tourer can tell you, the way to steer sans hans is to push your body off to the side you want to lean. Say you want to turn left. You push your body off to the left. To do this, you have to push against something, and the only thing to push against is the ground (through the bike). Well, the apple guy (Wozniak? or was that Churchill?) says that the ground will push you right back. So, you pushed yourself off to the left by pushing on the ground to the right, and the ground pushed back toward the left. Well, that push is on both wheels. The rear wheel doesn't care (unless you have serious bearing problems) (except of course on the Spagthorpe Dragonfly, which had the revolutionary countersteering-contra-shaft-drive rear end), but the front wheel has trail. If the ground pushes the front wheel toward the left at the contact patch, the trail will cause the wheel to turn to the right. Hey, there we are. No-hands counter- steering.",rec.motorcycles 128," I have got an Adaptec SCSI card, that comes with its own version of FDISK. The problem with DOS is that it will only see two hard disks, any more need to be done by device drivers. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 129," Could someone please post Roger Grywalski's response? Or point me to where I could find it? Thanks a lot, S. Raj Chaudhury | Dept. of Physics | raj@phys.ksu.edu Kansas State University | Manhattan, KS 66506 |",comp.graphics 130," Oh, you mean something like moving the press back to a single location, 2 miles away from the ""compound""? The press was allowing into foxholes in Vietnam, but it's ""too dangerous"" to allow them near the Branch Davidians?... There's something skewed about the logic here. -- Charles Scripter * cescript@phy.mtu.edu Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931",talk.politics.guns 131,"brings up the issue of how the escrow agent will be paid, and the fact that the government had financial leverage if they don't cooperate. It's an important issue, especially if one of the escrow agents decides they'd rather stop offering the service. I assume that if the escrow agent isn't the government, then the contract for providing escrow service would include some termination clause like returning the keys. But who's the user paying the fees here, and what's the service? If the user is the government, then the funding's not separate from the government. If the user is the buyer, what's the service? Keeping the key for me? No thanks - I don't need, and won't buy their service! Not telling everybody my key? Sounds like blackmail! If the user is the manufacturer, does the user have a choice about buying? The alternative is to just generate the key and not escrow it, which is fine - I'd certainly pay more for this kind of key than an escrowed key! Face it, the escrow provider is providing a service the users don't want. The only people who want it are the government, not the users. What you're really talking about is either the government paying for the service, up front or per-year, either from general taxes, or from a special direct tax on wiretap chips, or on an indirect tax (forcing the manufacturer to pay the fee to the escrow agent.) I hope the escrow people have no way of finding out your name from your serial number, especially if the escrow is a government agency. Here in New Jersey, we have lots of people willing to provide that sort of services for user fees. There are people willing to keep your store from burning down for a small monthly fee, though sometimes people refuse to pay and discover that the service really was effective. If you go to a baseball game at Yankee Stadium, there are people who will watch your car in the parking lot for a small user fee. Something could scratch the paint, after all. And what a shame if your Clipper key got out!",sci.crypt 132,"******************************************************* 1969 karmann ghia ******************************************************* This car is in excellent running condition: ********* *49,000 mi on new engine *new tires (Aug 92) *new clutch (91) *new carb (91) *original radio (am/fm) *upholstery in great shape *burgundy exterior/ black interior This car has been well-maintained with regular tune-ups. Unfortunately, the car's previous owner had a minor front-end collision. The right front nose is dented and patched up with bondo. I have the hard-to-find part needed to repair this damage. Besides that damage, the car is in excellent condition. $1600/bo",misc.forsale 133," Do you swim nude in a public swimming pool? :) I doubt sperm can penetrate swimsuit material, assuming they aren't immediately dispersed by water currents.",sci.med 134,"1993-1994 NHL Hockey Pool By Denis Papp and Chris Stoochnoff Rules: - Pick 17 players (3 LW, 3 C, 3 RW, 3 LD, 3 RD, 2 Goalies) You may pick ANY 17 players from any team. - Points for players are as follows: - 1 point per goal - 1 point per assist - 1 point per 10 PIM - Points for goalies are as follows: - 2 points per win - 1 point per tie - 1 point per assist - 1 point per 5 PIM - 2 points per shutout - 100 points per goal Entries: -Entries can be sent (by mail or ascii text file) to Chris Stoochnoff or Denis Papp on Hard Wired BBS (434-7996). -Due date for entries is the first day of regular season play. After that, no more entries will be accepted (unless it is just slightly late. If that is the case, there will be a small penalty applied to the team). -internet users can send email to dpapp@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Prizes: Prizes have not yet been considered. They could range from nothing to free time on Hard Wired BBS or even something else (if you have any suggestions... please feel free to put your two cents worth in). One idea is to get whoever is willing to to submit an equal amount of money, and that will go to be the prize money. The prize money will go to the top team who has submitted to the prize pool. A list of all people who submit money will be posted, as well as those who didnt - if it is done this way. Cost: The cost... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! There is absolutely no fee for this pool. Note: -If you have any questions, please feel free to send them to Denis Papp or myself (Chris Stoochnoff). The players positions (ie. Brett Hull is Right Wing) will be decided by the year book I will be using. So, if you do not know a certain players position, or you are not completely sure what position he plays, then ask me and I'll tell you. -And for a great time, call the Hard Wired BBS at (403)-434-7996 (this will be the location where the pool standings will be displayed). Internet Users:",rec.sport.hockey 135," Before I even think about getting this, is it going to be posted to comp.sources.x at any time in the near future? Greg. ",comp.windows.x 136,"Is it possible to get an xterm scrollbar to come out on the right side instead of the left? Ron Shenk ",comp.windows.x 137,"I'm planning on writing several classes to build a raytracing/radiosity library on top of, and i'm wondering if anythink like this is freely available on the net before i go to it. What i need is classes like rays, vectors, colors, shaders, surfaces, media, primitives, worlds (containing primitives) and views/images. Please post or mail. -- Torgeir Veimo Studying at the University of Bergen ""...I'm gona wave my freak flag high!"" (Jimi Hendrix)",comp.graphics 138,"Could someone please tell me what the dip switches on the back of the AST Hot Shot 286 accellerator card do? I recently acquired the card and did not get any docs. any information will be appreciated. -Rob -- Robert M. Bultman | Speed Scientific School | University of Louisville | Internet: rmbult01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu |",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 139,"OK I sold all but these, I had some offers and I accepted an offer of 25.00 for the pair from bdale@gag.com ( Bdale Garbee ). I don't know what happened to him but he won't reply now that I accepted it so I'll offer these again. ",sci.electronics 140," No, and in fact, that was Ferreira's original strategy, which the troika proceeded to simply continue to implement. There wasn't exactly a radical shift in policy when he was ousted (something people seem to forget). The only real question is whether they did it as well as Ferreira could have if he stayed, or whether the basic strategy was flawed (since Ferreira has been quoated as saying he's going to do something different in Anaheim with the Ducks, my guess is that it wasn't as good in practice as it was on paper, and he's tweaking it a bit second time around). One also has to wonder whether the strategy would have been a lot better if we hadn't had those injuries, and whether we're complaining about the weather because an earthquake collapsed the root cellar. Let's also NOT FORGET that Ferreira came *THIS* close to trading Kelly Kisio, which, if the rumors I've heard are true, was over the strong objections of other aspects of Shark management and probably had a lot to do with both his ouster and the three-headed, consensus oriented GM. Imagine, for a second, where the Sharks would be today if that fax machine hadn't jammed. Especially an unhappy player that isn't playing as well because of it. Not that I'd accuse Mullen of tanking, but his motivation simply wasn't there, and that kind of thing can affect the team. Exactly. At the time they let Skriko go, we hadn't yet had the major injury bugs that killed us later. I'd much rather have Skriko around than someone like Dean Kolstad, but at that point, that wasn't the choice. And since the choice was more one of Skriko vs. someone like John Carter, I think the right choice was made for that time period. ",rec.sport.hockey 141," RIght now the HST sevicing mission is listed as 11 days. before it was listed as 9 days. they just kicked up the number of spacewalks to 5, after simulations indicated that it was not do-able in 4. After all the space walking, they are going to re-boost the HST's orbit. I think right now it's sitting at 180 miles up, they would like 220. I don't know the exact orbit numbers. I know when HST was first flown, it was placed in the Highest possible Shuttle orbit. Now the shuttle can cary a thing called the EDO pallet, or extended duration orbiter pallet. It's mostly LOX/LH for the fuel cells and RCS gear, plus more O2 and canisters for the life support re-breathers. maybe more nitrogen too. THe limit on space-walking is a function of suit supplies (MASS) and Orbiter Duration. In order to perform the re-boost of the HST, the OMS engines will be fired for a long period. Now the shuttle is a heavy thing. THe HST isn't light either. THe amount of OMS fuel needed to fly both up is substantial. a small booster carried up and used to boost HST on it's own will weigh significantly less then the OMS fuel required to Boost both HST and SHUttle, for a given orbital change. From what i understand, the mass margins on the HST missions are tight enough they can't even carry extra Suits or MMU's. Now if they used a small tug, I would bet, just a wild guess, that the savings on amss margin would allow carrying the EDO pallet, extra suits, more consumables, parts for the flaky FGS sensor, parts for the balky solar electronics, and still enough for a double magnum of champagne. or the HST could even get placed into some sort of medium orbit. The reason they want a high orbit, is less antenna pointing, and longer drag life. a Whatever it is, the problem in the tilt array is a big constraint on HST ops.",sci.space 142,"Go with the Mercedes, if you can afford it. I think the 300 wagon starts around 50k, although it could be 60k. There is no comparison with any of the other cars listed. ",rec.autos 143," A Yugo that will go 1/4mi in 7.7 seconds will _not_ lose on the street. That's just too damn quick. It might be wrapped around a telephone pole at the end of that quarter mile, but it will be there alone... Or you could replace the stock shifter with a Hurst short-throw shifter (available from Ford Motorsport), or any number of other after-market products to boost the performance of a Mustang or Camaro. Can you do _that_ with a '93 RX-7, or, verily, with _any_ MR-2? With the Detroit aftermarket, you can build a Mustang or Camaro which is superior to either car you mention for less than the sticker price of either. Well, gee. It works, and it doesn't break. It transmits power to the drive wheels, and it's essentially zero maintenance--and there's an aftermarket in parts for Ford and Chevy rear-ends, too. Well, the '93 Mustang Cobra (which, from all reports, uses the same running gear as '94 Mustang) has 4-wheel disks. I can't speak for the new Camaro, but I think it does, too. Also, stop and think about the markets here. The Mustang is, and always has been, a mass-market sporty car (that's where the ""pony car"" class came from) with a performance model. That's why it has the econo-box running gear. That was also factored into the design of the Mustang from the day Lee Iacocca conceived his baby; it was designed as a wide-market car--sporty, yet accessible--with room for performance tweaking. The cars you listed are designed for a specific market niche, and they both fit those niches very well. The Mustang, at least, does well in multiple markets; I can't speak for the Camaro. James",rec.autos 144,"Well, we're almost halfway through the first round, and so far things are good in general: 1. The 2 teams that I hate most: Chicago and ""Basten"" are down 3 zip. (even though there is a possibility either can still win their series, yet this ego-thrashing and arrogance-smashing by the underdogs (St. Louis and Buffalo) is so rewarding). 2. Montreal is at this stage in a team's life where they are not good enough to go all the way, yet too good to be able to get some (really) good draft picks... :-( 3. Is it just me, or does anyone out there also think that this year the cup final should be played between 2 teams from the WALES? 4. Is it just because they're playing Montreal that I find the diques arrogant ***'s, or are they really? 5. Smythe-what???? I'm really getting sick of seeing Douggie and Wendel night in and night out... We should see some Canucks/Jets/Flames action...! 6. Don Cherry is an ******* alright, but hey... so are our politicians... ObLeafsJoke: Q. what do you get when you cross a maple leaf and a groundhog? A. Six more weeks of crummy hockey! ------------------------------------------------------------------ L8R, dudes... GO HABS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Shaib ac291@carleton.freenet.ca",rec.sport.hockey 145,"When I changed from SVR4 to SVR4.2 on my Intel box I discovered that some of my SVR4 xclients such as xload, etc would no longer work. They bomb out with the message: error: can't open display unix:0.0 Is this because they can't find the correct shared libraries, they need to be recompiled, or have I not used the correct options? Both systems use X11R5. Thanks.",comp.windows.x 146,"Current votes for favorite goalie masks (3pts - 1st, 2pts - 2nd, 1pt - 3rd) Player Team Pts Votes -------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Ed Belfour Chicago 31 14 2. Andy Moog Boston 30 13 3. Curtis Joseph St. Louis 26 11 Brian Hayward San Jose 26 10 5. Ron Hextall Quebec 16 8 6. Gerry Cheevers Boston (retired) 11 6 7. John Vanbeisbrouck NY Rangers 10 4 Grant Fuhr Buffalo 10 4 9. Mike Richter NY Rangers 6 3 10. Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 5 2 11. Don Beaupre Washington 4 2 Ken Dryden Montreal (retired) 4 2 -------------------------------------------------------------- Others receiving less than 4pts: Mike Vernon (Cal), Clint Malarchuk (Buf/SD,IHL), Tommy Soderstrom (Phil), Ray LeBlanc (USA), Artus Irbe (SJ), Tim Cheveldae (Det), Sean Burke (NJ), Rick Wamsley (Tor,ret), Jon Casey (Minn), Bob Essensa (Win), Glenn Healy (NYI), Toy Espo (???), Gilles Gratton (???), Rod Stauber (LA), Gump Worsley (???), Pat Jablonski (TB), Grant Fuhr (Tor), Felix Potvin (Tor), Stephane Beauregard (Win), Mark Fitzpatrick (NYI), Chico Resch (NYI) Can someone please tell me which teams the (???) play(ed) for? Thanks. ",rec.sport.hockey 147,,None 148,"dps@nasa.kodak.com Pontificated: Can you cite an example of this. Please post an answer as I don't want to receive e-mail. ",None 149,": : Isn't there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving : a non-invasive use of ultra-sound where the patient is lowered : into some sort of liquid when he/she undergoes treatment? I'm sure : I've read about it somewhere. If I remember it correctly it is a : painless and effective treatment. The use of shock waves (not ultrasound) to break up stones has been around for a few years. Depending on the type of machine, and intensity of the shock waves, it is usually uncomfortable enough to require something... The high-power machines cause enough pain to require general or regional anesthesia. Afterwards, it feels like someone slugged you pretty good! ",sci.med 150," Well ... Have a look at a new journal: Journal of Experimental Mathematics It has several Fields medallists on its editorial board. You want to knwo more? Try Klaus Peters in Boston or David Epstein at Warwick . ",sci.space 151,"According to what I saw in a store today, the Performa 405 is not the same as an LCIII. It only has a 16Mhz 68030 while the LCIII has a 25Mhz 030. Correct me if I am wrong, because it is possible that the dealer may have forgotten to remove the description that was next to the actual computer. Dealers who sell the Performa are known to have about as much knowledge about Macs as I do about DOS machines.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 152," And as someone mentioned earlier, from the apocryphal Book of Enoch, satan was apparently kicked out for three times asserting his own will, ""I will"". Hmmm...pro-choice looks kinda creepy here.",soc.religion.christian 153," I am using a NEC 4FG with my Centris 610. The cable adapter was provided by NEC (you have to call to get this free adapter). I am also sharing it with my 486 (using a switch box and extra cables). My questions: How do you tell if it is 600x400 or 800x600 that was displayed? Or how do you change the mode(resolution)? Is there SW for this or something I have to do with the HW? I am assuming I am getting 800x600 since I have 1M VRAM and the 4FG can display 1028x768(?) with my 486. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 154,"For sale by owners who were also the builders Contemporary Cape House located in Sandwich, Ma Three bedrooms, two baths, one car oversized garage large eat-in kitchen Cathedral ceiling from to back living room deck off of kitchen and dining room 20,000 sq ft 1,696 sq ft living space full walk-out basement $139,900, creative financing a possibility",misc.forsale 155," I think to some extent this is a case of stooping to their level. You assume that the general public ""can't handle the truth"" and then, based on this assumption, go for the fluff arguments. Then someone, who can understand a good argument, comes along and asks ""why don't you just develop the spinoffs?"" or ""why can't we just get our spinoffs from some other program, like the military?"" There are some good arguments for space development without relying on its side effects. I'm not ignoring the value of spinoffs. I simply think that the general public deserves more credit than you give them. And if you're going to use spinoffs you better make darn sure you are right. Teflon has been around since before NASA. As I understand it, Velcro was conceptualized by a french doctor who went walking in the woods and took the trouble to wonder how burrs stick to your clothes. Certainly velcro was available on hiking equipment by the early to mid sixties. I would need to see some good evidence before I believe that either of these would not be here today without NASA. ",sci.space 156,"Is anyone out there knowledgeable on drug issues in Japan? I'm interested in knowing if Japan has or has ever had a problem with drugs, and how they dealt with it. I've heard, undocumented, that Japan years ago used heavy legal penalties to end a serious heroin problem. I'd like to know both sides of the story. Does anyone recall such a problem? What were laws at the time relating to drug use, drug dealing, and drug trafficking? What are the laws now? What other anti-drug measures, like education and treatment has Japan used? How are drugs regarded by the Japanese people? How effective have anti-drug measures been in Japan? Thanks for your help. ",talk.politics.misc 157,"Anyone know of a good software package that will allow us to keep track of who is printing what and when? Is there any way to get Print Manager to keep a log? Is there a Print Manager replacement that will do this? How about a package that will only allow access to the system for people in a password file? I looked at Chastity, but it will let you log in without a password, and doesn't keep tabs of who got on and when. Any help will be greatly appreciated. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 158," Yeh,but : 1.Biran Sutter's playoff record as the head coach in St.L wasn't very impressive. His Blues teams were eliminated very early in the playoffs. It doesn't look like this trend will change with the Bruins. 2. Bruins have never come back to win after falling behind 2-0 in their entire 68-year history. It doesn't look like Buffalo will just lose their next two games at the Aud with the way Fuhr has been standing on his head. Basically,the Bruins will be on the golf course by next weekend. Also,it seems like the whole Boston area has gone baseball crazy after an incredibly great start by the Red Sox(best record in their major leagues as of now). I would say that 70% of the callers to the Bruins' flagship station(SportsRadio 590) are talking about the Red Sox,about 15% are yapping about the Patriots' upcoming draft,10% are on the Celtics and about 5% are on the Bruins. Somehow,no one around here is really schocked the way Bruins are folding early.",rec.sport.hockey 159," Don't forget the LAMG (Los Angeles Macintosh Group) BBS! It's the BBS for the largest Mac-only user group in the country now that BMUG is multi-platform.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 160, >but whether I would.,None 161," What a dope! There is no value for Mohammed Elabdellaoui to be here at a Western University. Third-worldist and Islamic brain-rot has made it impossible for him to acquire and analyze facts appropriately. The history of the efforts of the Mufti of Jerusalem to serve the Nazis in the South Balkans and set up Muslim SS Divisions is well-documented. In general, Nazism and the leader-principle resonated well among Muslim peoples. Khomeini's concept of the faqih is a recent example of such resonance. In fact, totalitarianism is etymologically a reasonable translation Islam. To be fair, the Mufti did not succeed in getting large numbers of Muslims to join the SS. But the rather small Muslim SS unit did manage to commit attrocities disproportionate to it size. There were also Muslim people who were less than enthusiastic about the attempt of Muslim leaders to entice Muslim people to serve the Nazi cause actively. And the Turkish government ignored practically all Nazi overtures even though an alliance with the Nazis against the Soviet government would have made a great deal of tactical sense. Last time I heard, the nazis prided themselves in Yes, the typical primitive Muslim psychopathological psychotic behavior upon hearing or reading a disagreeable fact -- start whining about the Jews. What a jerk. You should go back to your mindlessly stupid 3rd world country. Your brain has no business in a civilized first world country.",talk.politics.mideast 162," Sez Dave Kingman when he used to take off for Rosh Hashanna and Yom Kippur on days they coincided with the season.",rec.sport.baseball 163,"Is there a tn3270 program which support xterm? I don't like x3270 at all. You can't copy with other windows. Thanks. ",comp.windows.x 164,": >What tube does the Viewsonic 17 use? Does is support 1600x1280? I've been : >looking a a Philips 1762DT which uses a Sony Trinitron tube, has digital : >controls, supports up to 1280x1024NI, and has .25mm dot pitch - It can be : >found for under $1000. : The original poster, John Navitsky, said that he might use the monitor on : a SparcStation LX. The LX is able to generate a picture at 1280*1024 at : 76 Hz. Not officially, but I tried to set this resolution and refresh rate : and the LX came up with a non-syncing screen. Our tube obviously couldn't : handle this speed. At 67 Hz, it worked perfectly. I don't know which tube the Viewsonic 17 uses, but it has an 82khz horizontal bandwidth so you can go pretty high. I ran mine at 1280x1024x75 which was as fast as the Orchid P9000 could drive it. Also, the 17 does claim to be able to support 1600x1280, but I have no experience with that. Since I have the spec sheet in front of me I'll type some in: CRT: 17"", 0.28 mm dot pitch, 90 deg deflection, RGB mediou short persisance, Tint (TM=52%), anti-static, anti-glare, anti-reflection Input Signal: RGB Analog 0.7Vp-p, 75 ohms (also has setting for 1Vp-p) Sync: H/V Separate(ttl), composite (+/-), sync on green (+/-) horizontal freq: 30-82Khz, vertical freq: 50-90Hz compatibility: PC from VGA to 1600x1280 non-interlaced, mac IIci and above controls: contrast, brightness, position, size, degauss, p-p voltage, color temp, sync select, color tuning, moire on/off. video band witdth: 135 MHz Max brightness: 120 cd/m2 at white flat field misconvergence: .35mm (max) at center, .45mm (max) at corner dimensions: 16.3""x16.22""x17.64"", weight 42.6 lbs I don't know what some of those mean and don't verify their accuracy, I just typed them in. Other things they hype on the sheet are a 'double quaduple dynamic astigmatism focus'. Right. They mean they use two lenses. Advanced Invar shadow mask. ViewMatch color control which they claim is and easy-to-use system that adjusts colors to closely match printer output. As near as I have been able to figure out, this translates to separate controls for red, green, and blue. How this makes it easy to match for printer output is beyond me. But beyond the hype, the monitor is very pleasant to look at. Sharp, clear, and isn't nearly as bad as the NEC's for reflections.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 165," $200 in Glassboro, New Jersey :( ",None 166,"I'm new to the MS-Windows world, and while a fairly competent Sparc/Nextstep programmer, I have no idea which development kit to purchase. I have heard good things about Borland C++ with Application Frameworks and Microsoft's Visual C++ with SDK (?) What I would like is peoples comments on which package or set of tools they find useful or productive and why. There are a plethora of other kits such as GUI toolkits available and I'm wondering which of these are best in terms of reliability, plug and go type operation, readability and so on. I'd be interested in comments on these or anything else you may find useful. I will summarize to the net if there is enough interest. Thanks, Veenu",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 167,"And And Bejing = Peking, who cares about native tongue, as long as we all understand each other. Oh, not more than a few feet, I wouldn't think. I'm sorry IF your paternal grandparents died in Oswiecym or Aushwitz, which is easier to say than prove, but if so, the lesson they paid thier lives for was wasted on you. You are the expert. I often feel compelled to brag about the circumstances of my grandparent's death. 8-} A BATF offense, if true. A LOCAL offense, if true. Totally outside the BATF's domain. I didn't know the man. Just what the TV chose to tell me. I thought there were prejudicial undertones here. I would trust my daughter's judgement. I don't believe either side blindly. IF they fired first, without announcing in a beleivable way who they were ( I can pound on your door and claim to be the police, will you just lay down and take it if I do?), then he could be justified in firing on the ATF in self-defense. ""His background""? What law has he been convicted of breaking in the past? Jim -- jmd@handheld.com",talk.politics.guns 168,": Please reply to the seller below. : : 210M Formatted SCSI Hard Disk 3.5"" : -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- : Rodime 3259TS (3 available) WARNING I have had bad experience with this model and I know several others who also have run into difficulties. The drives will work just a limited period of time and after that the disk will report medium error. Dont ask me for details, my disk is just stone dead. David",misc.forsale 169,"#> I heard the diesels are considered cleaner-burning than #> gas engines because the emit less of: Carbon Monoxide, #> Hydrocarbons, and Oxides of Nitrogen. (CO, HC, NOX). #> #> But they can put out a lot of particulate matter. I heard #> something about legislation being discussed to ""clean up #> diesel emissions"". Is there anything in the works to #> install ""scrubbers"" for diesels? How about the feasibility #> of installing them on trucks and cars? Would it be any #> different than a catylitic converter? I'd assume easier, #> since we're removing particulate matter instead of converting #> gasses. Let's hear people's opinions... #> # #VW and Mercedes have tinkered with particulate traps. Also, VW #uses a kind of turbocharger on their Jetta ECOdiesel that helps #reduce particulates as well, although I don't know the #mechanics of it. # #Many diesel cars,busses, and trucks in Europe are now being #equipped with catalysts and traps in an effort to clean up #diesel emissions, already well below legal limits anyway. # #It's a shame GM had to soil the diesel's reputation in #passenger cars and prevent further resource devotion to #research into making this outstandingly efficient engine even #further ahead of gas engines in emissions. # #erik I sure don't know what and how they measure in regards to diesel motors in cars, trucks, and busses, but I think they are probably measuring the wrong pollutants, or at the wrong time, or both. I certainly find it offensive to drive behind a diesel bus or diesel truck and some diesel cars. They stink! And it's always roll-up-the-windows panic time when one comes by or ducks in front of me when I am driving with my family. I don't think the combustion mixture is kept under very good control in diesel engines, and that's why they stink. So the invisible, unsmellable pollutants are reduced in diesels. Yeah, well so what!? Someone forgot about the visible, stinky kind, and, as far as I am concerned, those kind are just as bad. I am all for de-stinking the diesel vehicles. It'll keep the traffic signs cleaner, too. Fred W. Bach , Operations Group | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) | Voice: 604-222-1047 loc 327/278 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS | FAX: 604-222-1074 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA V6T 2A3",rec.autos 170,"I am looking for a shareware graphics package called NeoPaint v1.1. I saw it in a shareware catalog and was hoping that I could FTP it from the net but have been unable to locate it. I have tried Archie and I have gone through the entire comp.graphics newsgroup looking for some reference to it and have found none. I have also looked through the FAQ and also no reference. The program is called NeoPaint v1.1 and if anyone has heard of it or knows where I can get it I would appreciate it. Suggestions for other PC based shareware paint programs would also be appreciated. Email me your responses.",comp.graphics 171,"Hi there, maybe you can help me... I have an '88 Corolla with a 5 speed as the subject line says. The gearbox seems excessivly clunky. I used to have an '85 Corolla, and it was also somewhat clunky, but it had 30,000 more miles on it, and it wasn't nearly as bad as this car! Is there fluid in the 5speed case? If there is, could it just be low, or in need of a change? As I recall, only the autos have fluid. Or am I just mistaken? Please no flames for owning an import. I also have an old Dodge, but it's not in very good shape these days...",rec.autos 172," In a word, yes. 1989 Bonnevilles prices (avg. retail):",rec.autos 173," If you get blown over riding your bike down your drive at home then it's too windy to ride...=8^D.",rec.motorcycles 174,"I ordered an external floppy drive from them 2 years ago. When I placed the order, they said it was in stock and would ship the next day. A week passed and no drive. I called them up and they said they were out of stock and my drive should ship in 2 weeks or so. Since I needed the drive right away (both my internal hard drive and floppy were dead) I cancelled my order and haven't dealt with them since.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 175,"When constructing active filters, odd values of resistor are often required (i.e. something like a 3.14 K Ohm resistor).(It seems best to choose common capacitor values and cope with the strange resistances then demanded). Is there a PD program out there that will work out how best to make up such a resistance, given fixed resistors of the standard 12 values per decade?.(1, 1.2,1.5,1.8,2.2,3.3 etc ). It is a common enough problem, yet I cant recall seing a program that tells that Rx+Ry//Rz gives Rq, starting with q and finding prefered values x,y and z. ",sci.electronics 176," I dunno about hat. I have friends up there on GEnie who are now saying that Ottawa's gone soft on Daigle and is thinking hard about Pronger. Daigle has shown an Attitude the latter part of this season many folks havne't liked, and after coming back from his (second) multi-game suspension for being stupid, he's really tanked in his performance. His stock is dropping like a rock. Also remember that a lot of teh ""draft 1st"" stuff comes from the assumption he'll be traded to Quebec for lots of prospects. It's not clear that Quebec would really be willing to pay a lot for him given his current status. He's still first round, but I don't consider him a first pick lock by any means at this point. It's also possible that the Senators are posturing to try to bring down his signing price, since Daigle has been taking some Lindros lessons during thos suspensions. No. Kariya won't go in the first three, for a very simple reason: he's not leaving college, and I don't believe ANY of the expansion teams are going to use a first for someone who won't be around for another year or two, not when there is equally good (or almost as good) stuff available that can make an immediate impact. San jose seems to be leaning heavily towards Niedermayer for that reason. Kariya could go 6th or 7th, unless a team can convince him to leave school early (which I doubt). My cut on things as they stand today: (it depends on if the Sharks can get a deal for him. I don't believe they draft him to keep him). ",rec.sport.hockey 177," That's fascinating. I take it that you're expressing skepticism at the idea that those ignorant savages could have influenced the Constitution of the people who stole their continent. You could be right, but it sounds plausible to me. Is there any reason that you dismiss it out-of-hand? Here's some more: Recent scholarship has shown that in the mid-1700s Indians were not only invited to participate in the deliberations of our ""founding fathers,"" but that the Great Binding Law of the Iroquois Confederacy arguably became the single most important model for the 1754 Albany Plan of Union, and later the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution. That this would be absent from our school texts, and from history, and from media is not surprising given the devotion Americans feel to our founding myth: Great men gathered to express a new vision that has withstood the test of time. If it were revealed that Indians had a role in it, imagine the blow to the American psyche. ... By 1754, when most of these men and others gathered to creat the Albany Plan of Union, the first try at confederation, they invited forty-two members of the Iroquois Grand Council to serve as advisors on confederate structures. Benjamin Franklin freely acknowledged his interest in the Iroquois achievement in a famous speech at Albany Congress: ""It would be a strange thing...if six nations of ignorant savages[sic] should be capable of forming such a union and be able to execute it in such a manner that it has subsisted for ages and appears indissoluble, and yet that a like union should be impractical for ten or a dozen English colonies."" According to Grinde, Franklin convened meetings of Iroquois chiefs and congressional delegates in order to ""hammer out a plan that he acknowedged to be similar to the Iroquois Confederacy."" Grinde is Professor Donald Grinde,Jr., of the University of California at Riverside whose book _The Iroquois and the Founding Fathers of the American Nation_ addresses this issue.",alt.atheism 178," Hey, we could start a new game on the net. It's called 'Where's Roger?' It's similiar to 'Where's Waldo?' but instead of finding Waldo in a picture of people, we try to find Roger in a newsgroup on the net. I predict that he'll be in r.s.basketball.pro next. ",rec.sport.hockey 179," This story was in the LA Times a few months ago. The Clinton administration is exploring every avenue of ""revenue enhancement"", but not all will be chosen.",talk.politics.misc 180,"I have a Logitech 256grays hand scanner from a PC. I'm wondering if anyone has been successful in connecting the scanner to a mac? It has the same connector and is a serial device on the pc. I can imagine the pins coniguration would need to changeed, but I'm not sure if the signal levels would be correct, and if the mac s/w would work with it. Of course the manuals say nothing about the interface, connector layout or anything H/W-ish! Any ideas?? thanx,",comp.sys.mac.hardware 181,"To really speed up the game umps need to START CALLING STRIKES the way they used to. I'm talking about making the strike zone start at the knees and go up to the top of the letters. Forget this ""the strike zone is in the general area of the groin"". A lot less 3-and-2 counts and a quicker game. ",rec.sport.baseball 182," Check into the vopl and vogle libraries. I beleive that I still have them available on ftp.c-mols.siu.edu but I'm not sure. I haven't seen any new announcements for the software but I'm sure it's still around. I have used it to do real-time data display and analysis as well as just for producing graphs after the fact. It works well and supports numerous graphics output formats (including X.) I tried it and liked it. YOu may as well. ",comp.windows.x 183," It is still incestuous.... :) ",None 184,"folks, I have a Panasonic kx-1124 (just inherited with no documentation) which is giving me a problem that i cant resolve. The paper out light refuses to go out . It starts to blink when ever i turn the power on which 2 beeps. It does allow be to go on line with green light lit, simultanously the red paper out light also remains lit -but is does not blink. Please do not give any references to manuals , as i dont have any. Thanking you all very much in advance. Sincerely",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 185," Minor quibble back at you. I am in the same general area as the Koresh compound and I can tell you that the air was quite chilly that morning, especially with the high winds that were blowing. (Of course the swiss cheese walls made it even worse. ;-) ",talk.politics.guns 186,"+ +>This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to +>a ""psychological norm"" that may not actually apply to a particular dog. +>I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson +>dog or one that's really, *really* stupid. A large Irish Setter taught me +>this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day. I'm sure he was playing +>a game with me. The game was probably ""Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor"" Before +>He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT. + +What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it? + +You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head +off! + +Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human, +we have *all* the advantages. Look, if you are worried about being attacked by a dog, just carry some ""Spot"" remover with you :-). ____________________________________________________________________________ Russian Roulette is fun 5 out of 6 times",rec.motorcycles 187," Mostly. The Q950 does have a SCSI2 controller chip as it's SCSI chip, but it does not have the chips to use the Wide or Fast SCSI-2 modes and therefore doesn't offer much more in the way of SCSI performance over the Q900. It does, howrever, have a faster I/O controller than the Q900; this is where the real speed boost comes from.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 188,": At the risk of beginning a cascade, I'll start with a possibly cheesy : good 'ol Uhmericun: : ""Our shield is freedom"" Or, considering what our government has been doing for the past 50 years, perhaps this would be more appropriate: ""100% Debt"" --",alt.atheism 189," You don't say what kind of ""electronic equipment"" you mean. It's hard to give a generic answer. There is essentially no solvent that won't do things like washing lubricant out of switches. When we've needed to do an emergency cleaning job on things, we've just used distilled water. The key thing to remember is to make sure the gear is *completely* dry before powering it up again. We let it dry for several days to be damn sure. I doubt that methanol has significant advantages over water. I would be very wary of CCl4, not least because it is dangerous to *you* even if it's not going to harm the equipment -- not only is it poisonous, but I believe it's now known to be carcinogenic.",sci.electronics 190," That study which was in the NEJM, I think, noted that the frequency of heart surgery on patients over seventy increase with income in California (I guess richer people have more heart disease in California -) ) whereas the frequency of surgery on patients over seventy in Canada was relatively uniform across income distribution. Heart surgery was more frequent in California, but mortality and outcomes were essentially the same. The only potential problem I see with the private MRI facilty in Calgary is the self-referral problem to the facility for the doctors who have a financial interest in it, which is basically unethical...but in Canada because of our small population, there is likely only to be a few private facilities involving only a small number of doctors, and thus I don't think the self-referral problem, which is an epidemic in the US, could ever get out of hand here. It is an experiment that will be certainly be watched carefully. What likely happened is the sponsors of the private MRI which include doctors anticipated that Alberta would need more MRI's, and instead of waiting for the health planners to realize they needed another one or two, saw a business opportunity...where they would have a secure business from the public insurance side of things, and they could supplement people and businesses who want to pay cash.",talk.politics.misc 191," : PS The first posting I saw I thought was a joke in *VERY* bad taste. My appologies : to the person who broke the news. For what it's worth... : Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file : transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and : via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. : --------------------------------------------------- : : THE WHITE HOUSE : I haven't been able to open an ftp session with that machine. Operating under the assumption that the address was wrong, I tried using nslookup and nicname/whois... [nnsc.nsf.net] Host or domain name Internet address [...] ncsl server = mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov mail-gw.ncsl 129.6.48.199 ncsl server = dove.nist.gov ncsl server = ecf.ncsl.nist.gov ecf.ncsl 129.6.48.2 ncsl server = enh.nist.gov ncsl server = SUNMGR.NCSL.NIST.GOV SUNMGR.NCSL 129.6.48.12 [...] That's all I could find about the ncsl domain...oh, and I tried an MX lookup on the machine in question, which failed. Nicname/whois domain lookups at both registries failed, too. So I thought, ""hey, I'm just not using the tools right"" and tried calling the BBS number -- no answer. I'm probably doing something wrong...or, perhaps, the machine has been put behind a firewall. But it does look like csrc.ncsl.nist.gov has become an un-machine. If someone would try ftp'ing to it, or knows what's up, I'd really appreciate the info. ",sci.crypt 192," As a matter of fact, I just saw a dermatologist the other day, and while I was there, I asked him about dry skin. I'd been spending a small fortune on various creams, lotions, and other dry skin treatments. He said all I needed was a large jar of vaseline. Soak in a lukewarm tub of water for 10 minutes (ONLY 10 minutes!) then massage in the vaseline, to trap the moisture in. That will help. I haven't tried it yet, but you can bet I will. The hard part will be finding the time to rub in the vaseline properly. If it's not done right, you remain greasy and stick to your clothes. Try it. It's got to be cheaper then spending $30 for 8 oz. of 'natural' lotion.",sci.med 193," Let me see if I got this right. Group of religious plinter schismatics erect a compound and after at least fifty years of peaceful co-existance with the outside community (having shoot outs only with each other) - this makes them dangerous. Prior history would seem to indicate they are only dangerous to themselves. Last I knew there was no National Branch Davidian Party blaming the debacle in VeitNam on Foreign Meddlers and three-two beer, calling for the Rounding up of Meat Packers, Growers and Slaughter Houses. You want tough political choices - how about letting odd balls be odd balls? (I know, this requires tolerance for those that go into Government - but we all know people who have no useful skills.) ith the death of the children everybody is getting real upset - what about the other 40 plus people? I suppose that you consider children to be property of the state with the family as custodians. (In the States its the other way around - children are parental property.) If what you consider a Corrupt Government demands that you send you children into _their_ tender care - I suppose that you will obey the State and turn you children over to their care. Sorry - I am not as enamoured of the womb to tomb cradle that is IngSoc. Gotta go, the beach is calling. chus pyotr ",talk.politics.misc 194,"I have recently picked up a page scanner by the name of EZ-SCAN II model 35. The software for it was made for per-Windows 3.x windows and will not work with the newwer windows. Does any one out there kow were I could find the company that made this beast (Copyrights say 1987.) And the name GMS a division of DEST. Does anyone know if these companies still exist and if they do, do they have an email address? Or, if anyone knows of a freeware/shareware programme that is able to access this scanner.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 195,"I am going to stop reading the homosexuality posts, at least for a while, because of the repeated seemingly personal attacks on me via post/e-mail(mainly e-mail). If anyone has a specific comment, suggestion, and/or note that does not contain any name calling, etc. that they would like for me to read, send it to me via e-mail. I would like a copy of file mentioned by the moderator ragarding the exergetical issue of it. I attempted to get it via ftp but was unable.",soc.religion.christian 196,":>On the subject of CS/CN/tear gas: when I received my initial introduction to : :You couldn't find a window after six hours? : :-- : Daniel A. Hartung -- dhartung@chinet.chinet.com -- Ask me about Rotaract Have you ever been violently sick repeatedly? I have, and it was difficult to drag myself back to my bed, much less move through a building full of smoke and debris, especially when most likely already disoriented from lack of sleep and constant psychological abuse... Throw in the fact that the 'safety' outside consists of people who have shot at me and thrown grenades at me, and are currently knocking my house down with tanks, I could understand if the BD's were inclined to stay put in the center of the building... ",talk.politics.guns 197," ^^^^^^^^^^ The acetaminophen is the agent of concern in overdose of this OTC medication. A single dose of acetaminophen of 10 grams or greater can cause hepatotoxicity, and doses of 25 grams or more are potentially fatal from hepatic necrosis. If I recall correctly, the metabolism of acetaminophen at high doses involves N-hydroxylation to N-acetyl-benzoquinoneimine, which is a highly reactive intermediate, which then reacts with sulfhydryl groups of proteins and glutathione. When hepatic glutathione is used up, this intermediate then starts attacking the hepatic proteins with resulting hepatic necrosis. The insidious part of acetaminophen toxicity is the delay (2-4 days) between ingestion and clinical signs of liver damage. This is NOT a nice way to die. As to taking 20-30 of these tablets, that comes to 5-7.5 grams of acetaminophen. In a normal adult, this would probably cause nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, and loss of appetite.",sci.med 198," Nanao: call 1-800-800-5202. Ask for a catalog. ",None 199," I'm not sure that you can distinguish between myth and legend so neatly, or at all. A myth is more than a single story. The thought structure and world-paradigm in which that story is interpreted is as important a part of the myth as the story itself. Thus, I can think of no story which is meant to be conveyed understandably from one person to another within a single culture which won't rest upon that underlying thought structure, and thus transmit some of that culture's mythical ""truths"" along with it. ",talk.religion.misc 200,"Although simplistic I have always liked the fact that ""a Christian is one who not only believes in God, but believes God."" After all the name was first given externally to identify those who ""preached Christ and Him crucified"" to pay the price of their rebeliion and shortcomings before God. God said this was His son -- I belive Him. -- Scott Dittman email: sdittman@wlu.edu University Registrar talk: (703)463-8455 fax: (703)463-8024 Washington and Lee University snail mail: Lexington Virginia 24450",soc.religion.christian 201," Just to clear things up (as to why I posted the question that way)... I was debating with a co-worker about diesels. I claimed they were cleaner-burning than gas engines. He said the extra ""junk"" put out by them was offset by the savings in greenhouse gasses. I made all the SAME claims you did. But, one question of his was what about the carbon? I said it was harmless, but he wanted to know how to get rid of it. I suggested scrubbers. (I figured it would be no harder or more expensive to install than ""cats"".) Does there exist any designs for a scrubber? (I'd like to know just to answer his final question.) I convinced him that diesels are cleaner otherwise. BTW, (I named my subject ""Dirty Diesels"" because I knew it would get a reaction out of people who knew they were cleaner than gas engines and that they'd read it...) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Vel Natarajan nataraja@rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular, Arlington Hts IL --",rec.autos 202," [... other info deleted ...] Are you sure it's not a problem caused by software? I've seen this sort of effect when a runaway program (which could be caused by an INIT conflict, for instance) accidentally wacks on a register in the video hardware. Have you tried booting with no extensions and then letting the Q950 just sit there in the Finder? You might also want to try changing to 24-bit addressing (yes, I know you can't access your full 64 MB of RAM - it's just an experiment) as the video hardware registers can't be accessed then. Another thing to try as a 'recovery' measure is to use something like QuickKeys to change the pixel depth of the display. This reprograms (some of) the video hardware registers and may allow sync to be restored.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 203,"Acorn Software, Inc. has 3 tape drives (currently used on a VMS system) for sale. These are all SCSI tape drives and are in working condition. WangDat 1300 4mm $500.00 WangDat 2600 4mm (compression) $650.00 Exabyte 8200 8mm $650.00 (SALE PENDING) Plus shipping and COD. Certified checks only, please. These units are sold as is and without warrantee. Contact me if you're interested. -- Dick Munroe Internet: munroe@dmc.com Doyle Munroe Consultants, Inc. UUCP: ...uunet!thehulk!munroe 267 Cox St. Office: (508) 568-1618 Hudson, Ma. FAX: (508) 562-1133",misc.forsale 204,"Enclosed is an advertisement for the Defending the Faith IV conference to be held at Franciscan University of Steubenville (Ohio) June 25-27. I attended DTF III last year, and plan to go again this year. I would recommend it highly to Catholic interested in apologetics. There will be lots of music, well-known Catholic speakers, fellowship, as well as Eucharistic Liturgies Friday and Sunday. Registration is $85 per person, but I believe financial aid is available if you need it. Housing in residence halls (each of which has its own Blessed Sacrament chapel), if desired, is $30/person for double occupancy for two nights ($30 total). Reservations can also be made for you at the very nearby Holiday Inn. I think it was $47 a night there for my single room. Meals are available at the cafeteria (Friday dinner through Sunday lunch) for $38 or $32, with or without breakfast, respectively. Franciscan University of Steubenville is located in eastern Ohio on US Route 22, 1/2 mile west of the Ohio River and Ohio Route 7. Greater Pittsburgh International Airport is less than one hour (35 miles) from campus. Feel free to e-mail me if you have any question I can answer. Here is the agenda, as typed in by a friend of mine: Friday afternoon special: Reflections on C.S. Lewis, a preliminary session with Walter Hooper. Walter Hooper is one of the foremost international experts on the writings of C.S. Lewis. In 1963, he served as secretary to C.S. Lewis, and he has since edited 18 of Lewis' literary works for publication. Walter was ordained a priest in the Church of England in 1965, serving in Oxford, England, until he entered the Catholic Church in 1988. ---------------- Friday evening, opening session: In Search of the Truth: Finding the Fullness of Faith Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz. Know Your Rites Kimberly Hahn. ------------------- Saturday Morning Apologetics Means Never Having to Say You're Sorry Karl Keating C.S. Lewis: My Signpost to the Catholic Church Walter Hooper Mass Bishop Bruskewitz, celebrant Fr. Ray Ryland, homilist --------------------------- Saturday afternoon: The Mystery of Femininity: Why It Excludes the Priesthood Dr. Alice von Hildebrand Men Make Better Fathers: Masculinity and the Male Priesthood Dr. Peter Kreeft ---------------------------- Saturday evening: When Do Catholics Hear the Gospel? Dr. Thomas Howard The Catholic Gospel: Not Just Saving Sinners Scott Hahn ----------------------------- Sunday morning: There's No Place Like Rome: The Pilgrimage of Two Protestant Pastors Panel. Mass Fr. Ray Ryland, celebrant Fr. Michael Scanlan, TOR, homilist - - - - - - - - - - Here is the ad that appeared in _The Catholic Answer_: DEFENDING THE FAITH IV CONFERENCE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHING: KNOW WHY YOU BELIEVE June 25-27, 1993 Times have changed. Major Catholic doctrines are misunderstood and attacked. Like never before, believers need to know the reasons behind the Catholic Church's teaching. As our first pope urged: ""Always be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within you"" (I Peter 3:15). Grab your notebooks and get ready for an unforgettable spiritual and intellectual weekend. This year's conference will candidly confront the hardest questions and objections about the Catholic faith. Deepen your understanding of Church teaching with _Scott_ and _Kimberly Hahn, Dr. Thomas Howard, Karl Keating, Dr. Alice von Hildebrand, Dr. Peter Kreeft,_ and _Fr. Ray Ryland_. Cut throught the confusion and doubt, and be better equipped to give a defense for the hope that is within you. Join us at _Defending the Faith IV_, the fourth in a series of annual conferences designed to strengthen the life of Catholics and others interested in the Catholic faith. It can help _you_ know why you believe. Call toll free today: Franciscan University 800/437-TENT of Steubenville or 614/283-6314 Steubenville, Ohio 43952-6701",soc.religion.christian 205,"Is there a readily available solvent that does a good job at removing the corrosion/encrustation that collects on the battery terminals (usually the cathode) when using alkaline batteries (or more accurately, when NOT using them for a long time)? ",sci.electronics 206," I didn't say that. Did you say that? Wow, I can't believe that anyone would think that the Braves (or any other team, for that matter) should get the title for free. What a dolt that person would be, if that was what they thought. Incredible. -- ",rec.sport.baseball 207," I worked in support for a while at a company and we had problems with several Toshiba 1600's in a short space of time. They were all around 2 years old. Some screens went completely (as above), others were just ""dodgy"". This happened to about 5 or 6 out of, maybe 100. They were fairly reliable up to then and I don't think it was a special problem with Tosh's (no link to the company). So I would think that 21 months may not be unreasonable - just unlucky! Regards, Kate. :)|",comp.graphics 208," Unlikely. Ammunition is not as dangerous when simply burned as it is when fired from a gun. The brass case is not capable of holding the pressure generated by burning powder, and will (unless supported by the walls of a gun barrel or chamber) simply split open. While this may cause small pieces of brass to fly around, it will not propel the bullet with any significant velocity. In fact, it was not uncommon in years past to dispose of old loaded cartridges by burning them. As long as you were not close enough to take a piece of flying brass in the eye, you were reasonably safe. Thus, the detonation of loaded magazines or loose rounds might cause slight injury but would be unlikely to cause fatal bullet wounds.",talk.politics.guns 209,"But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.",soc.religion.christian 210,"om> Cliff, do you know the difference between ""Windows"" and ""Win-OS/2""? Here's a helpful hint: Running ""Windows"" under OS/2 2.0 is only possible in real mode, in a DOS box. Of course, this is only possible with Windows 3.0, since Windows 3.1 no longer has a ""real mode"". The ability to run standard mode, the ability to have an OS/2 <-> Windows clipboard, the ability to run seamless, and a few other things were all added by IBM to ""Win-OS/2"". Now, everybody who is running ""Windows"" in real-mode in a DOS box under OS/2 2.x raise your hand. Finally, everybody who is running ""Win-OS/2"" under OS/2, raise YOUR hand. Get the picture, Cliff? ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 211,"If this man Clark is a NASA administrator then god save NASA. Of course the Shuttles record is unrivaled ! There is only one Shuttle. Furthermore, there is only likely to be one Shuttle now that Hermes and Boron are effectively cancelled. These officials should spend more of their time explaining to their European and Asian partners how we are expected to believe in them when their paymasters change their minds on major international projects everytime a new US administration takes office (considering the major impacts this has on the European and Asian (Japanese) industry). It is also appreciated how this affects American industry. I am of course talking about Space Stattion Freedom. ",sci.space 212,"We are interested in constructing a reentry vehicle to be deployed from a tether attached to an orbiting platform. This will be a follow on to our succesful deployment of a 20 kilometer tether on the March 29 flight of SEDS (Small Expendable Deployment System), which released an instrumented payload that reentered the earth's atmosphere and burned up over the west coast of Mexico. This time we want to make a payload that can be recovered. We want to build it from ""off the shelf"" technology so as to do this as quickly and inexpensively as possible. We want to be able to track the payload after it has deployed its parachute. An idea we have is to put the same kind of radio beacon on it that is used with SARSATs (Search and Rescue Satellites). It would turn on with the opening of the parachute and aid in tracking. These beacons are known in the marine industry as EPIRBs (Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon). They are rugged (they have to be to survive a ship wreck!) and cheap. We have several questions: 1. What is the world authority regulating the use of SARSAT beacons. Are there multiple authorites, i.e. military and civilian? 2. What are the regulations regarding the use of SARSAT signals. Can they be used for one of a kind situations with a long lead time of warning the relevant authorities, or are they strictly reserved for life threatening emergencies? 3. What is the coverage of SARSATS? Are they in LEO with only intermittant coverage of a fixed position on the earth, or are they in geosynchronous orbit? 4. Is there an industry organization governing the use and manufacture of these transponders? Please post replies here or send E-mail to me at: fennell@well.sf.ca.us Thanak you very much for any assistance you can provide.",sci.space 213," ",None 214," The FBI has claimed from the begining that it wasn't standard use tear gas. How do you know it was? Or do you just assume it was for flamebait?",talk.politics.guns 215,"HELP! I am trying to find software that will allow COM port redirection under Windows for Workgroups. Can anyone out there make a suggestion or reccommend something. I would really hate to have to write some driver for the serial port that would support the network, but that is my next step. Thanks in advance.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 216,": My wife wants to publish a newsletter. She's no artist, so she intends to : use comercial clipart and customise it a bit by drawing a circle or a box : around it etc. : : We have MSPublisher for manipulating text, but it is not suitable for doing : much with graphics, so she needs a more specialised tool. Right now she's : looking at Corel Draw and Harvard Draw. There seem to be more books in the : stores on Corel than on Harvard, so she's inclined to go with Corel on the : basis of popularity. Can anyone give us an informed opinion on which : package would be more suitable or if there is an even better alternative : available? If this is a FAQ, please withhold the flames and just send the : location of the FAQ document. Thanks. : Go with CorelDraw. PCMag just did a review a couple of issues ago and Adobe Illustrator and CorelDraw were picked as the best. : Three PS's: : : 1) Is it ok to use clip art from Harvard Draw or whatever for commercial : purposes? (other two deleted...) As far as I know it's okay. You'd have to read the licence agreement that comes with the package to be sure. -- ",comp.graphics 217," I believe that Phil Esposito was the first to wear #77 when he played with the Rangers in the '70s. This was the season that they put the Rangers crest and ""modern-style"" numbers on the jerseys instead of the ""NEW YORK"" or ""RANGERS"" block letters and two-colour numbers. He took #77 because the Rangers already had a #7. (Hockey Night in Canada made a big thing out of it, saying it was the biggest uniform style change in a long time. This was before Pittsburgh and Vancouver changed their colours.) dwarf",rec.sport.hockey 218," Please do not do this! I don't know how the rest of you read news, but here's how I do it: I subscribe to an ""outernet"" system which allows me to dial up via modem and download e-mail and news articles automatically. When someone posts a huge attached binary file, I have no choice but to receive it along with all the other new articles in the groups I subscribe to. I also pay for the connect time, which is normally not a problem because I have a 14.4K modem and each day's upload/download session takes only 5 minutes or so. Today's session, however, lasted about 25 minutes because of ROMAN.BMP. Consequently, it cost me about $3.00 extra just to receive a file that I didn't want in the first place. If you have cool bitmaps that you want to make available, there are other ways to do it: either upload the file to an ftp site (like ftp.cica.indiana.edu, which has a complete Windows section) and tell people how to get to it, or use one of the newsgroups like alt.binaries.pictures (or something like that), which are file archives rather than discussion groups. Don't use discussion groups like this one to send out attached files, especially when they're 600K in size.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 219," [...stuff deleted...] As many posters have said in as many posts lately, this is just not true. For to show no interest in the existence of god takes no faith at all. You make the presumption that the _knowledge_ of the _possibility_ of something is enough to require faith to render that possibilty of no interest. It is a very different thing to say that you don't believe something than it is to say that you don't have sufficent reason to believe something is even interesting to think about. It's not either or. Sometimes is just something else more interesting that occupies your mind. I agree that faith and dogma are inevitable, but not necessarily applied to god and religion. It takes both faith and dogma to expect the sun to come up every morning, but there is overwhelming reason every single day, day in and day out, for _everyone_ to put his faith and dogma there. Not so with the christian religion. ",alt.atheism 220," Well, an LT1 Blazer wouldn't come close to a GMC Typhoon in speed, I think its too heavy. As it is right now, the normal 210HP 5.7 engine has plenty of power for a full size Blazer. Of course, I'm not saying GM shouldn't put the LT1 in it :). It seems like they have a real winner with that engine. Why spend so much more money into getting a 32 valve DOHC V8 when you can take an LT1? It even seems to get pretty good gas MPG (for a 5.7, that is.) [talking about Impala SS] Yeah, it's a flat black, lowered 4 door Caprice riding on 17"" aluminum rims and Eagle GS-C tires. The rest of the car is basically a Caprice LTZ (read: plush police package) with 300 horsepower. I heard that Chevy is resurrecting the Monte Carlo but that's going to get their 3.4 DOHC V6 and not the LT1. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Krenz -- uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu | krenz@engrhub.ucsb.edu ",rec.autos 221," What a load of crap ! The BDs had absolutely NO RIGHT to fire upon the BATF agents. If they didn't know who they were at first, then they should have surrendered immediately when they did realize who they were dealing with. Little groups of loonies do not get to decide just what laws they will obey or disobey or what sorts of warrants are justified. Like the rest of us, they get their say at the voting booth and if their personal wants are not backed by the majority of voters, then too bad. If they wanted to keep automatic weapons, then they could apply for the proper permits. If they had a problem with the warrant then they get to argue that in court. In no event do they get to establish their own little nation inside our own and pretend that our laws and law-enforcement personel have no jurisdiction within their borders. You live on US territory, you live by US laws - period. (unless you are a congressman) Sure, the situation was handled badly by both the BATF and the FBI. It would have been all so easy to detain Koresh and his core members while they were out in the streets of Waco. The BATF, threatened with budget cuts, was trying for a propaganda coup ... and dragging the press along for the big commando-style assault is proof of that. They should be roasted for both their imcompetance and their mindset. On the other hand, they DID have the legal right to do what they did. Once the attack was begun, they should have pressed on and finished it rather than let an interminable situation like that take root. ",talk.politics.guns 222," If you put another computer on the port instead of the key, you can hack them by reading what happens. So I've been told, I've never seen this done but I think it's possible. You'd need some hardware knowledge and some software to read the port! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guido Klemans Internet: rcstage1@urc.tue.nl valid until 16 may 1993 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Listen very carefully, I will say this only once.' Michelle of the resitance ",sci.electronics 223,"I get the picture, I just find it humorous that Running Windows 3.1 apps ( 3.0 for 2.0 ) is what makes os/2 more credible...",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 224," #@$#%$!! I *have* a copy of Allen, and it never occurred to me to look in there... I must be getting old... I'll look it up when I get home. Thanks. I'd remembered a rather higher number, but that may have been for the lunar nearside, where the Earth is a significant heat source.",sci.space 225,"I>From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Costas Malamas) ssupports pkzip 2.04. It does NOT require pkz/unzip in order to work, and ccosts only $10 to register. ",None 226,,None 227," [much BS deleted for brevity] It certainly smacks of that! Remember the ""POLL"" that you quoted saying that you had seen a 95% of users being satisfied with DOS 6.0? Care to recall how unbiased the sample set was? That post sure looked like FUD....and coming from a microsoftie .... well, it sure seemed like something was not on level. Advocacy is GOOD - but spreading FUD to advocate your favorite OS is very unethical - especially when you have a vested interest in the success of that OS. That is because their actions seem to invite this opinion - never seen more defensive people in my life. Moreover, many of their posts seem to encourage this too, IMHO. Seriously speaking, it is a shame that MS techie employees get the heat for MS's actions - most of which are perpetrated by the Management and marketing. I am sure that they ARE very talented etc ... I have not doubts about their abilities, just about the ethics of their marketing practices. Divya -- Divya",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 228," export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/R5.SunOS5.patch.tar.Z Get Xsun.multi-screen.tar.Z while you're at it.",comp.windows.x 229,"It seems that there are more and more ""bands"" available for police radar each month. I have recently purchased (within the last 8 months) the BEL 966STW. While it is not a perfect detector by any means, it does do the job fairly well. Now, however, I pick up a car magazine at the airport and read about this Super Ka Wideband which is a superset of the Ka Wideband that this latest generation of detectors was touted as covering. So now BEL has a NEW series of detectors out that cover all the usual bands (X, K, Ka photo, Ka wideband) as well as the new Super Ka wideband. Just as there comes a point of diminishing returns when chasing increased PC computing power with faster and faster CPUs (for the average home consumer, at least), it seems that there is now the same concern with radar detectors. Does it make sense to upgrade just 8 months after purchasing my ""new"" detector? Is Valentine upgrading their equipment? If so, it might be worth it for me to upgrade to the Valentine. I was in the market for a Valentine when I purchased the BEL but the 3-4 month waiting time was just too much for me since I had inadequate protection with my Passport. Life was much simpler when there was just X and K band and Escort has the best equipment on the market and there was no need to continuously shop for a new detector. I hope that the flood of new radar bands ceases with this new Super Wideband business. ",rec.autos 230," It is easy for Sen. Biden to say that when there are no US troops in Zepa or Srebinica or Sarejevo... The existing UN policy may certaining be wrong, but the US wants to dictate policy, and make Europe responsible for the consequences of that policy... ...Bosnia is a big enough problem for the US to preach about what other countries should be doing with their forces...but its forces are safely tucked away at home in the US.",talk.politics.mideast 231,"I am trying to define my own class derived from the Object class so that I may insert them into a HashTable (a class provided by the Container class library). I have defined all of the pure virtual functions of Object, but I still get an error when I attempt to allocate a HashEntry object: Cannot create instance of abstract class HashEntry Has anyone derived from class Object before? What have I left out? Here are the virtual functions that I defined from Object: virtual classType isA() const { return hashEntryClass; } virtual Pchar nameOf()const { return ""HashEntry""; } virtual hashValueType hashValue() const { return hashValue(hWindow); } // Note: hWindow is defined in HashEntry virtual int isEqual (const Object _FAR &obj) const { return this == &(HashEntry&) obj; } virtual void printOn( Rostream os) const { os << ""[ HWindow is "" << (void _FAR *) hWindow << "" ]\n""; } --",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 232,"There is a bancrupcy sale coming up soon, and I wonder if anyone know about these printers: Olivetti PG-306, Canon LBp-8R, Nec silentwriter 2 S60, Kyocera Laser F3000. Which of the above, if any, has Postscript, and an appletalk interface builtin. Please reply by E-mail. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tommy Nordgren ""What is a woman that you forsake her Royal Institute of Technology and the hearth fire, Stockholm and the home acre, f85-tno@nada.kth.se to go with the old grey widow maker.""",comp.sys.mac.hardware 233," What say you and Nick go somewhere else with this shool yard crap.",None 234," Early in Church history, the catechumens were dismissed prior to the celebration of the Eucharist. It WAS secret, giving rise to the rumors that Christians were cannibals and all sorts of perverse claims. The actions were considered too holy to be observed by non-Christians, as well as potentially dangerous for the individual Christian who might be identified. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ",soc.religion.christian 235,"I have an Ethernet card that i took out off an old LC. The card is manufactured by Asante. On it i can read: ""Asante Tech, inc. Copyright 1991. MACCON + LC REV.B"". The card has an fpu socket on it. It provides thin Ethernet connector and there's another connector on it which resembels to phone connectors. My questions are: - Will this card work on any other model than LC-serie ?, given that it's a PDS card, will it work with the IIsi PDS slot ?. I think there may be a probleme because the LC has 16 bit wide slots. - What's that other conncetor on the card ?. _ Is anyone interested in it ?. I can ship it to any CEE country. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 236,"no I'd recommend reading _Mormonism and Early Christianity_ by Hugh Nibley, particularly the articles on Christ's forty-day (post-resurrection) mission, baptism for the dead, early Christian prayer circles, and temples (2 articles). ..bruce.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bruce F. Webster | A religion that does not require the sacrifice CTO, Pages Software Inc | of all things never has power sufficient to bwebster@pages.com | produce the faith necessary unto life and #import | salvation. -- Joseph Smith",soc.religion.christian 237," Minor point: Shea Stadium was designed as a multi-purpose stadium but not with the Jets in mind as the tennant. The New York Football Giants had moved to Yankee Stadium (from the Polo Grounds) in 1958 and was having problem with stadium management (the City did not own Yankee Stadium until 1972). The idea was to get the Giants to move into Shea. When a deal was worked out between the Giants and the Yankees the new AFL franchise, the New York Titans, approached the City about using the new stadium. The Titans were playing in Downing Stadium (where the Cosmos played soccer in the 70s). Because Shea Stadium was tied into the World's Fair anyway, the city thought it would be a novel idea to promote the new franchise and the World's Fair (like they were doing with the Mets). So the deal was worked out. I'm under the impression that when Murph says it, he means it! As a regular goer to Shea, it is not a bad place since they've cleaned and renovated the place. Remember, this is its 30th Year!",rec.sport.baseball 238," Diplomatic :-) I realize I'm fighting Occam's razor in this argument, so I'll try to explain why I feel a mind is necessary. Firstly, I'm not impressed with the ability of algorithms. They're great at solving problems once the method has been worked out, but not at working out the method itself. As a specific example, I like to solve numerical crosswords (not the simple do-the-sums-and-insert-the-answers type, the hard ones.) To do these with any efficiency, you need to figure out a variety of tricks. Now, I know that you can program a computer to do these puzzles, but in doing so you have to work out the tricks _yourself_, and program them into the computer. You can, of course, 'obfuscate' the trick, and write the program so that it is uncovered, but as far as I can see, the trick still has to be there in some form to be discovered. Does this mean that all the ideas we will ever have are already pre-programmed into our brains? This is somewhat unlikely, given that our brains ultimately are encoded in 46 chromosomes worth of genetic material, much of which isn't used. One way around this is to bring the environment into the equation, but (again, as far as I can see) this still has an air of 'if you see object X, then perform action Y,' and we don't seem to get anywhere. The algorithm has to anticipate what it might see, and what conclusions to draw from it's experience. The other problem with algorithms is their instability. Not many algorithms survive if you take out a large portion of their code, yet people survive strokes without going completely haywire (there are side-effects, but patients still seem remarkably stable.) Also, neurons in perfectly healthy people are dying at an alarming rate - can an algorithm survive if I randomly corrupt various bits of it's code? The next problem is the sticky question of ""What is colour?"" (replace 'colour' with the sensation of your choice.) Presumably, the materialist viewpoint is that it's the product of some kind of chemical reaction. The usual products of such a reaction are energy + different chemicals. Is colour a mixture of these? If this is so, a computer won't see colour, because the chemistry is different. Does an algorithm that sees colour have a selective advantage over an equivalent that doesn't? It shouldn't, because the outputs of each algorithm ought to be the same in equivalent circumstances. So why do we see colour? A bit of idle speculation... If I remember correctly, quantum mechanics consists of a wavefunction, with two processes acting on it. The first process has been called 'Unitary Evolution' (or 'U'), is governed by Schroedinger's equation and is well known. The second process, called various things such as 'collapse of the wavefunction' or 'state vector reduction' (or 'R'), and is more mysterious. It is usually said to occur when a 'measurement' takes place, although nobody seems to know precisely when that occurs. When it does occur, the effect of R is to abruptly change the wavefunction. I envisage R as an interaction between the wavefunction and 'something else,' which I shall imaginitively call 'part X.' It seems reasonable to assume that _something_ causes R, although that something might be the wavefunction itself (in which case, part X is simply the wavefunction. Note, though, that we'd need more than U to explain R.) Anyway, I'm speculating that minds would be in part X. There seems to be some link between consciousness and R, in that we never see linear superpositions of anything, although there are alternative explainations for this. I've no idea how a brain is supposed to access part X, but since this is only speculation, that won't matter too much :-) My main point is that there might be a place for minds in physics. I'll go back to my nice padded cell now, if that's OK with you :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin Anthoney kax@cs.nott.ac.uk Don't believe anything you read in .sig files.",alt.atheism 239," Then what is a ""Flat-"" engine??? ",None 240,"Has anybody seen empty Everex's being sold ? I want the cube. Not the computer inards. Will it take standard AT-size motherboards ? Thanks. e-mail please. -- ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 241," Ahh Broncos. Well personally, I have a '78. The blue book is just a hair over 3 grand. I bought it for 2500 and then bought new tires 650 front end rebuild 350, carb rebuild 130. Then i did the unthinkable and blew the engine (not bronco specific, unmaintained engine with 168,000) 2400 more bucks there, now it is in nice condition, well after new seats out of a t-bird, radio, 2 amps, speakers, alarm, well the radio and amps were free and i bought the speakers used for 40 bucks, and the other speakers i took out of my old jeep (Sell a Jeep for a bronco you might ask, but it was a Wagoneer). Its a lovely specimen, solid front and rear axels, ford 9"" and a dana 44 up front. Watch the rear axel wrap, i busted off my u-bolts ONCE, i added traction shocks after that and haven't had a problem since. Also the bottom of the doors tend to rot, bottom of the tailgates likes to rust right up to the new ones that might be in your budget. The post 80 broncos have that sickly TTB front end and little stamped and folded steel radius arms were as the 78-79 have nice big cast iron longer radius arms(ie more prspective wheel travel). The only rust i have is on my doors and a few dings in the sheet metal. I don't know when the removeable tops were discontinued but they are fun. I just ordered a full convertable top for 400$ for mine(credit card). Don't ever break the window if you have the double laminated bronzed privacy glass in your cap it is over 400 bucks to replace. My bronco also does pretty good offroad, i haven't bottomed out my suspension, YET, and have crossed over 3 foot deep of water with no problems, handles rocks like a charm too. One problem is it is WIDE and you sometimes can't follow a CJ or a Toyota, between two rocks or trees, and your grandmother will have a hard time getting up into it.",rec.autos 242,"One point not yet mentioned: Hands on the driver's shoulders are a definite no-no. It feels good for the passenger to stretch her arms, and a shoulder massage feels good too, but the shoulders are connected to the arms, and the arms to the handlebars... Should you hit the brakes, the pressure on the shoulders can make steering interesting. Bundle her up if it's cold, make sure she has good gear (say it again), an pat her thigh to let her know all is great.",rec.motorcycles 243," That would be Clint Malarchuck. It was speculated at the time, that the injury was so serious that had he been playing at the other end of the rink at the time (he was playing in the same end as the ambulence is parked), he never would have survived. Ditto, if he were playing anything other than a league with an ambulance on standby. If you've seen video tape of the incident, it is amazing how much blood there was. It was literally spurting out all over the ice, as Clint grabbed his neck and watched the puddle in horror. Amazingly enough, he made a full recovery, and played again in the NHL. He was getting on in years at the time of the incident anyway, and didn't play for too long afterward. Some people speculated that he just couldn't get himself back together after the incident, and I think he had a bunch of other personal problems dogging him afterward. He did eventually get back to form, and played another year or so after that, and then I believe he retired. Anyone else? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carol Boudreau #44 a.k.a. The X-Terminator boudreau@athena.mit.edu Go Flames! Rock the Kings!",rec.sport.hockey 244," You don't *need* to, but it's desirable. HST, like all satellites in low Earth orbit, is gradually losing altitude due to air drag. It was deployed in the highest orbit the shuttle could reach, for that reason. It needs occasional reboosting or it will eventually reenter. (It has no propulsion system of its own.) This is an excellent opportunity, given that there may not be another visit for several years.",sci.space 245," I once wrote such a program (in BBC basic...) It was very crude, and took around 5 seconds to do an exhaustive search (with a small amount of intelligence), and told you the best combination >Rq and the best below Rq. If you want to write one, just store the prefered values in an array, and then search the solution space using three nested loops. I'm sure you could knock this up in an hour. Christopher",sci.electronics 246," Heck, some of his ships were loaners. One was owned by a Basque... (you know, one of those groups that probably crossed the Atlantic _before_ Columbus came along). ",sci.space 247," Back in high school I worked as a lab assistant for a bunch of experimental psychologists at Bell Labs. When they were doing visual perception and memory experiments, they used vector-type displays, with 1-millisecond refresh rates common. So your case of 1/200th sec is quite practical, and the experimenters were probably sure that it was 5 milliseconds, not 4 or 6 either. Steve",sci.electronics 248," Taking this at face value (though it seems quite dissonant with much else that has been published here about brute force DES cracking, unless Russell was lucky with respect to the key), I'd be very interested in whether the program Russell used is available? In whether he used a cleartext recognition algorithm in the program or whether he had to examine each decryption by hand? In whether he used a known plaintext attack? He probably should also tell us, given his address, what machine he used--a desktop, workstation, or super-computer. Depending on his answer, this could be an appalling development calling into question both DES and RSA/DES. Dunno about RSA/IDEA. If any bright programmer with a little idle machine time can crack a single DES message in a couple of days (assuming no tricks that are message-specific), then here's my Clipper key, NSA; give me the chip at once. :-) David",sci.crypt 249," OOOoooh, complaining about my spelling. I'm _so_ hurt. No I'm not a student. I'm an alumnus. And an employee. So I can get my money _back_ from these grubs. BNR, huh? I hope you're not a permanent, they'd be wasting benefits on you. pthptptphhph! ",rec.motorcycles 250,"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. Colossians 3:16 A reminder: These verses are from the New International Version. As with any translation, faithfulness to the original Hebrew and Greek may vary from time to time. If a verse sounds a little off occasionally, compare it with another translation or with the original texts, if you are able to do so.",soc.religion.christian 251,"I HAVE A TANDY WP2 WORDPROCESSOR FOR SALE. IT HAS 148K (DUE TO A 128K DUE TO A RAM DISK), A WORD PROCESSING PROGRAM, A 200,000 WORD SPELL CHECKER, A THESAURUS, IS 1"" THIN AND WEIGHS 3 LBS. IT TAKES 4 AA BATTERIES (ALKALINE OR NI-CAD RECHARGABLE) OR USES AN AC ADAPTER (IN- CLUDED). IT IS A FULL SIZE QWERTY KEYBOARD WITH AN 80 CHARACTER BY 8 LINE LCD SCREEN. IT ALSO HAS A TELCOM PROGRAM WHICH ALLOWS TRANSFERS OF FILES TO AN IBMPC WITH A NULL MODEM CABLE AND SHAREWARE TRANSFER PROGRAM (ALSO INCLUDED). IT HAS A 9 PIN SERIAL PORT, A PARALLEL PRINTER PORT, AND A TAPE RECORDER FILE SAVE PORT. THE TELCOM PROGRAM CAN ALSO BE WITH A MODEM (NOT INCLUDED) TO ACCESS SERVICES LIKE COMPUSERVE. THIS IS GREAT UNIT FOR A HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE STUDENT TO WRITE PAPERS AND REPORTS ON. IT COMES WITH THE ORIGINAL MANUAL. YOU GET ALL THE ABOVE FOR $125.00 PLUS SHIPPING AND COD CHARGES. SEND E-MAIL INQUIRIES TO: ______________________________________________________________________",misc.forsale 252," No. I recently bought an LC II with a 14"" monitor. The monitor comes with the type of power cable that plugs into the switched outlet on the back of most larger Macs. Since the LC II doesn't have one of these outlets, there was an extra standard power cable included with the computer for use with the monitor. But it was in the computer box, not the monitor box. It's not as if the cables are particularly expensive, though. $10-$15 at the most. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 253," Hello. I am the David Sternlight keeper of the FAQ. Unfortuantely I cannot find it at the present time. From the original FAQ: Question: Does anyone take David Sternlight serious? Fact: No one takes David Sternlight serious. They review his opinions and in most cases immediately discard them or jerk them over to alt.fan.david-sternlight which actually should be alt.flame.david-sternlight. A photograph of David Sternlight for the curious: |\/\/\/\| | | | (o)(o) C _) David Sternlight | ,___| Net.Police | / a.k.a. PROUD _0--------/\/----\/\-------0_ DICK OF / /0 \----/ 0\ \ THE INTERNET / | \ \||/ / | \ / /|DAVID || POLICE|\ \ _/_____/ || ] || | [#] || \_____\_ |_______/ |\____/ || \__*_/| \_______| Question: Why does David continue to relate mis statements regarding encryption and other topics? Fact: David Sternlight has a chemical imbalance of the right side of his brain. ",sci.crypt 254,": > : >I just wanted to let you know that there are a few honest and good people out : >there (even outside of Iowa). I'm sorry if anyone thinks that I am wasting : >space, but I thought you might want some relief from the ""So-and-so is a thief"" : >posts. Not that I think we shouldn't hear about the bad deals, but it would be : >nice to hear some good news once in a while. : : This was nice of Kevin to post this. But just so no one is misled, the : VAST MAJORITY of usenetters are ""honest and good people."" In fact, in : the latest study, 99.7% of all net.deals went off smoothly without a : hitch. It's just that the few bad ones are what get all the publicity. Agreed. I have yet to run into a problem in deals over the net and I have bought things from CDs (plenty!) to a full computer. The only small problem that I have had was with UPS rather than the seller. Besides, complaints are always what get the publicity....when something goes wrong, people complain. Rarely have I seen posts stating how well a deal went through. I guess Kevin is practically a first!",misc.forsale 255,"In the following report: _Turkey Eyes Regional Role_ ANKARA, Turkey (AP) April 27, 1993, we find in the last paragraph: [Turanist] Although Premier Suleyman Demirel criticized Ozal's often [Turanist] brash calls for more Turkish influence, he also has spoken [Turanist] of a swath of Turkic peoples ""stretching from the Adriatic [Turanist] Sea to the Great Wall of China."" Who does Demirel think he is fooling? It seems at both ends of his envisioned pan-Turkic Empire -- the Balkans and the Caucasus -- Turkey's fascist boasts are being pre-empted. I would suggest Turkey let the world feel some of their ""Grey Wolf Teeth"", and attempt to stretch from the Adriatic to China! Turkey will have cried ""wolf"" just once too much! ",talk.politics.mideast 256,"When do the new M.benz ""C"" class cars come out? The new nomenclature that MB has adopted will it only apply to the ""c"" class cars or will it also apply to the current ""s"" class cars. Does any one know what will replace the current 300 class since the ""c"" class will be smaller and more in line with the current 190. Another question, Is BMW realising a new body style on the current 7 series and 5 series. They seem to be a bit dated to me. ",rec.autos 257," Most bikes I've seen that use a dipstick rather than a sight glass are designed to check it without screwing it in. In the manual for my CBR900RR, they specifically state it should be done this way. Michael ",rec.motorcycles 258,"-=> Quoting Bill Gregory to All <=- BG> hey I saw that game! I thought the Sabres looked better that you BG> described. It's Boston that looked weak and unsure of themselves. Even BG> if (big if) they (bruins) win the third game what's that going to BG> prove? They be lucky! Well now the Sabres are up 3 - 0 in games, and its to bad that Boston isn't putting up more of a fight as that could have been the best series of the playoffs, I think Boston will come out smoking in the next two games and that Buffalo will end the series in game six back in Buffalo, and say, how about those Islanders? they are up 2 - 1 on the Capitals and will probably win the series, only to be clobbered by the Penguins who should eliminate the Devils in the next game. I cannot see (i'm sad to say) anyone beating the Penguins this year (again) and they will take cup # 3 I'm afraid. well talk to ya later. Steve ",rec.sport.hockey 259,,None 260," Local LA stores have already reduced prices by $200 on most Duo configurations (although Apple dropped the list price by $310).",comp.sys.mac.hardware 261," There are some tricks to installing ATM to windows... install them first to dos, then run the ATM control panel to get them into windows. The best reason for ATM is that Adobe IS the standard. Truetype is a failed MS venture to undercut Adobe when Adobe was being nasty about keeping their formats proprietary. Just about any service bureau or print shop will smirk and send you on your way if you bring a TrueType document to them for high resolution printing or ripping. Although there are lots of pretty TT fonts floating around, they are really for dot matrix or your own lazer printer. However, you can convert your TT fonts with Fontmonger or some similar program to ATM fonts for high end stuff. If you are using dot matrix for all your printing, you may have wasted your money!",comp.graphics 262," The patches for xv.h need to use ``#ifdef SVR4'' rather than the overly complex ``#if defined(sun) && defined(SYSV)'' in order to generically compile XV on i386SVR4Architecture. Also, rand and srand don't work very well--use lrand48 and seed48 to get better results. Otherwise, xv-3.00 compiles just fine on my Esix System V 4.0.4 box with XFree86 and gcc-2.3.3. I just uncommented the gcc definition in the Makefile, added -L/usr/X386/lib -I/usr/X386/include to the COPTS line and modified LIBS to include -lsocket -lnsl. Really John, if you just use the Imakefile things like this don't even have to get mentioned... *** 1.1 1993/04/28 08:33:13 --- xv.h 1993/04/28 17:47:38 *************** *** 284,292 **** --- 284,298 ---- /* signal macros */ + #ifdef SVR4 + #define HOLD_SIG sighold(SIGALRM) + #define RELEASE_SIG sigrelse(SIGALRM) + #define PAUSE_SIG sigpause(SIGALRM) + #else #define HOLD_SIG sigblock(sigmask(SIGALRM)) #define RELEASE_SIG sigblock(0) #define PAUSE_SIG sigpause(0) + #endif ",comp.windows.x 263," This was a recent discussion on rec.martial-arts. Humans definitely don't have all the advantages. Dogs are deceptively strong and often bred for fighting of one sort or another.",None 264," +In article <1993May7.211312.10403@bert.eecs.uic.edu>, rsc@siggraph.org +|> Computer Graphics experimental special online issue +|> May 1993 +|> +|> The May 1993 experimental special issue of Computer Graphics is online +|> as a set of files on the siggraph.org system in the directory +|> ~ftp/publications/May_93_online +|> This is made available to the computer graphics community by ACM +|> SIGGRAPH. The general theme of this issue is electronic documents, and +|> the Table of Contents in the AboutThisIssue files will tell you more +|> about this publication and its contents. + + I ftp'd here, but found nothing. Has this been removed? Nope, it's still there:",comp.graphics 265," It's possible to make boards in other colors, and I have an ad for laser light-show equipment which offers the circuit boards in your choice of Day-Glo (tm) colors. The usual light green color is just the natural color of Fiberglas. The dark green or blue is the solder mask layer, and I suspect that color is a dye. ",sci.electronics 266,"I'm going to be mixing together here stuff from two of Ted Frank's articles, <1993Apr15.143623.25813@midway.uchicago.edu> (which was a response to me) and <1993Apr16.011455.20518@midway.uchicago.edu> (a response to Tim Smith)... Eminent domain is a state-mandated transaction in which one party is required to sell a piece of property which it owns to another party, regardless of whether the first party wishes to sell at all, at a price which is set by the state. I fail to see how this doctrine can be found in tort, bankruptcy or contract cases in general. Well, okay, sort of in bankruptcy... * * * * * Bang. Here's one of the places where we widely diverge. You believe that the courts, in deciding a civil dispute between two parties, should consider as a factor -- perhaps as an overriding factor -- issues which I believe the court should ignore as being irrelevant to the dispute. _Boomer v. Atlantic Cement Co._ was an action brought by one party, Boomer, whose property rights were being violated on an ongoing basis by another party, the Atlantic Cement Company. The facts supported Boomer's contention that Atlantic Cement was wrongfully damaging his property, and Boomer asked the court to order Atlantic Cement to stop doing so. End of story. There was no reason for the court to consider such issues as what a capitalistic society would want Atlantic Cement to do or whether the cost of compliance was disproportionate to the damage faced by the plaintiffs. Those issues had nothing to do with the case before the court. I'd be up in arms? Why do you assume that? Quite the contrary, I'd probably support the action, since it would be based on the same general doctrine as the decision that I believe would have been correct in _Boomer_: the idea that people's property rights should not be violated for reasons of economic efficiency. In _Boomer_ it was Boomer's property rights which I believe the court should have protected; in the hypothetical EPA ruling you've presented, it's the American people's collective property rights in a healthy physical environment. What good is cost-benefit ratio of 15+:1 if you wind up with cement dust in your air? * * * * * Yes. So what? The courts are supposed to protect the specific rights of individuals, not the general interests of some nebulous society. If society can have its cement plant without violating anyone's rights, fine. Otherwise society will somehow have to limp along with one less cement plant. (See, Ted, I really _am_ a libertarian after all! :-) ""One wants the legal regime to approximate the end result to begin with, in order to minimize the transactions costs.""??? Which ""one"" are you speaking of? _I_ want the legal regime to protect people's rights. Besides, Coase's Theorem only has real application in the never-never land of perfectly rational actors. In the real world (1) some people are going to be stubborn, ornery, spiteful or otherwise ""irrational"" from a economic point of view and (2) the purpose of the courts is to protect their right to be so. I don't care if you can show me logically that your cattle are only doing $100 of damage to my property per head, so I should rationally sell you grazing rights to my land for, say, $150 per head -- I still retain the right to tell you that I just plain don't want any damned cattle on my property, not at any price. * * * * * Last question first: For the same reason as in contract law -- because to do so would come dangerously close to treading on the Thirteenth Amendment. As to your ""Then, by your argument, no tort plaintiff is ever made whole, because the award of damages in involuntary"" claim, you're at least partially right. Faced with situations in which the wrong has already been done and the damage to the victim has already taken place and cannot be reversed or undone, courts will try to set an equitable price tag on the loss suffered by the victim and require the wrongdoer to pay this price (rather than an inflated price which the victim might prefer). In these cases, the ""sale"" has already taken place and is irreversible, and the court simply tries to ensure that a fair price is paid, under the doctrines that (a) only in certain circumstances should even a civil wrongdoer be forced to pay punitive or excessive prices and (b) even a genuine victim should not profit in an unjustified or inequitable manner from his victimhood. Both of these doctrines may be worth discussing or debating elsewhere, but neither is relevant to cases like _Boomer_ in which the wrongful act and the loss stemming from it are still in the future and _can_ be reversed/undone (i.e., prevented from happening at all) by order of the court. In these types of cases, all the court has to do is require that the potential victim's property rights are protected until and unless he agrees to sell them at a mutually-acceptable price. There is no need for the court to guess at the equitable value of the loss and force both sides to accept its finding. It can leave that operation up to the parties themselves. In cases like _Boomer_, they're simply a cost of doing business. The fact that the proprietors of the Atlantic Cement Co. got themselves into a position in which they found themselves over this barrel is simply a result of their own poor business decision to start up a cement plant without _first_ trying to negotiate with Boomer and everyone else whose property rights they'd be violating via the operation of their plant. There's nothing punitive or unjust about it. Anybody who wants to commit a wrongful act in the future should be required to buy the right to do so from the victim, in advance. And the seller should be allowed to set his or her price for the privilege. No injustice, no punitive damages. * * * * * Doesn't sound very much like a libertarian to me. Libertarians tend to believe in the rights of individual people, not societies. * * * * * As stated above, the tort was _ongoing_. Atlantic Cement wanted to be able to _continue_ to violate Boomer's rights. While the court may have been justified in setting an equitable price tag on the damage already committed, it had no reason and no need to set a price tag on the _future_ violations of Boomer's rights and to then force Boomer to sell at that price.",talk.politics.misc 267," From: thomas@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Thomas Kinsman) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,alt.binaries.pictures.utilities Subject: DIB/BMP CREATION GUIDE, as requested. Keywords: DIB BMP Bitmaps File Formats Message-ID: <1992Dec23.214432.18764@kodak.kodak.com> Date: 23 Dec 92 21:44:32 GMT Sender: news@kodak.kodak.com Organization: Precambiran Electronics, Rochester, NY Lines: 484 Xref: cradle.titech comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:3609 GUIDE TO CREATION OF DIB IMAGES Thomas B. Kinsman Precambrian Electronics 29 Falstaff Rd. Rochester, NY 14609 thomask@kodak.com Copyright March 15, 1991 ABSTRACT The format of images created for use by MS Windows 3.0/3.1 applications is documented in the MS Windows Programmer's Reference guide. This guide is intended as a clearify some wording of the specifications, and to put forth a recommendation among the various alternatives. Please send updates/corrections/suggestions and revisions to me. Please thank me for writing this on my own time by keeping my name with the document. Thank you for your respect. This document Copyright, 1991, by Thomas B. Kinsman. If desired, a PostScript version of this document is available. This information is free. You get more than what you pay for. Don't sue me if I'm wrong. OVERVIEW The DIB image file format is intended to be a ""Device Independent Bitmap"" file format. (What Microsoft means by ""Device Independent"" is unclear to me.) Four pixel resolutions are supported: 1 bit, 4 bit, 8 bit, and 24 bit pixels. These images were intended for use on DOS (IBM, or Little-Endian) systems. If you are creating them on another architecture you will have to byte- swap all short and long integer values. By convention, DIB images end in the extension "".BMP"". This is because March 15, 1991 - 2 - they are a super-set of earlier ""bitmap image files"". Consequently you will sometimes hear DIB files referred to as ""BMP"" files. Since DIB images files are a super-set, there are three ""flavors"" of DIB images: o DOS DIB images. These are the recommended convention, and the form which I will describe how to create. They are intended for applications running under MS Windows /3.0 in a DOS environment. o OS/2 DIB images. My understanding is that these are the flavor of DIB images that were used by the Presentation Manager. o Old-style Bitmap images. March 15, 1991 - 3 - DIFFERENCES BETWEEN FLAVORS The DOS DIB images consist of: 1. A ""BITMAPFILEHEADER"" file header which identifies the file as a DIB file. This header also gives the total size of the image file, and the offset to the image data. 2. A ""BITMAPINFOHEADER"" image header which specifies the image attributes. 3. An optional palette of colors used by the image. If it exists, this may contain 2, 16, or 256 entries. Each entry is a Windows RGBQUAD structure. 4. The image data itself. The OS/2 DIB images consist of: 1. The same ""BITMAPFILEHEADER"" file header which identifies the file as a DIB file. This header also gives the total size of the image file, and the offset to the image data. 2. A ""BITMAPCOREHEADER"" image header which specifies the image attributes. 3. An optional palette of colors used by the image. Again, if this exists it may contain 2, 16, or 256 entries. Each entry is a Windows RGBTRIPLE structure. 4. The image data itself. The Old Style image bitmap consists of: 1. Either a BITMAPINFOHEADER or a BITMAPCOREHEADER. Which header type is determined by the first long integer (DWORD) value. 2. An optional color palette. This palette may be composed of either Windows RGBQUAD structures (if the header was a BITMAPINFOHEADER) or Windows RGBTRIPLE structures (if the header was a BITMAPCOREHEADER). 3. The image data itself. CREATING DIB IMAGE FILES. Creating a DOS DIB image file consists of several straight forward steps. The headers need to be created and then written to the file. These header structures are defined in the MS Windows/3.0 ""windows.h"" include file. Palette information needs to be stored for images that are not 24-bit images. The five general steps are: 1. Filling in the BITMAPFILEHEADER and the BITMAPINFOHEADER structures the basic image information. 2. If the image is a 1-bit, 4-bit, or an 8-bit image, creating the color palette of RGBQUADS. 3. Calculating the total file size and putting this information in March 15, 1991 - 4 - the ""bfSize"" field of the BITMAPFILEHEADER. 4. Calculating the offset to the image data from the start of the file, and putting this in the ""bfOffBits"" field of the BITMAPFILEHEADER. 5. Writing to the file the BITMAPFILEHEADER, the BITMAPINFOHEADER, the color palette, and the image data (in that order). The following sections describe structures in terms of MicroSoft C type- defined keywords. The following table describes these keywords for those not familiar with MicroSoft C. _______________________________________ | | | Type-defined keywords in MicroSoft C.| |______________________________________| | typedef | meaning | |_________|____________________________| | BYTE | unsigned character | | WORD | two byte unsigned integer | | DWORD | four byte unsigned integer| |_________|____________________________| March 15, 1991 - 5 - THE BITMAPFILEHEADER This structure is defined in ""windows.h"" as: typedef struct tagBITMAPFILEHEADER { WORD bfType; DWORD bfSize; WORD bfReserved1; WORD bfReserved2; DWORD bfOffBits; } BITMAPFILEHEADER; The ""bfType"" field is the two ascii characters 'B' and 'M'. This serves to identify the file as a DIB image file. On an intel byte ordered machine (IBM or a compatible), this constant can be formed in C as the quantity ('M' << 8 | 'B') == 0x4d42 on an intel system. The ""bfSize"" field is the total size of the file. For our purposes this field is equal to: the size of the BITMAPFILEHEADER, plus the size of the BITMAPINFOHEADER, plus the number of entries in the color palette times the size of a RGBQUAD, plus the number of bytes of image data. If the image data is being written out in an uncompressed form, this value can be calculated ahead of time. Otherwise, this field needs to be filled in later. Both the ""bfReserved1"" and the ""bfReserved2"" fields are always set to zero. The ""bfOffBits"" field is set to the offset to the start of the image data from the start of the file. For our purposes, this field should be set to: the size of the BITMAPFILEHEADER, plus the size of the BITMAPINFOHEADER, plus the number of entries in the color palette times the size of a RGBQUAD. This works out because the image data is written write after the color palette if one exists. March 15, 1991 - 6 - THE BITMAPINFOHEADER This structure is defined in ""windows.h"" as: typedef struct tagBITMAPINFOHEADER{ DWORD biSize; DWORD biWidth; DWORD biHeight; WORD biPlanes; WORD biBitCount; DWORD biCompression; DWORD biSizeImage; DWORD biXPelsPerMeter; DWORD biYPelsPerMeter; DWORD biClrUsed; DWORD biClrImportant; } BITMAPINFOHEADER; The ""biSize"" field is set to the size of the BITMAPINFOHEADER structure itself. When reading the image file, this value is what is used to determine that the image contains a BITMAPINFOHEADER and not a BITMAPCOREHEADER. The ""biWidth"" field is the width of the image in image pixels. The ""biHeight"" field is the height of the image in image lines. The ""biPlanes"" field should always be set to 1. This data is written out as if there was one color plane. The ""biBitCount"" field is the bit-depth of the image. This must be either 1, 4, 8, or 24, depending on the bit-depth of the image data. The ""biCompression"" field tells how the image data is compressed if it is compressed. DIB images support two forms of run-length encoding. However, I have never seen any images which use it, and don't know yet how it works. Set this field to zero (long zero, or 0L), to indicate that the data is not compressed. All subsequent fields of the BITMAPINFOHEADER structure may be set to zero. A requirement of the interpretting software that it be able to compute these fields as necessary from the previous information. The field which you might want to explicitly specify might be ""biClrUsed"". For 4-bit and 8-bit images this field indicates that not all of the possible color entries are used and that the image contains ""biClrUsed"" colors. If you are using only 32 colors with an 8-bit image, then you may only want to save 32 of the possible 256 palette entries. Generally, set this field to zero. March 15, 1991 - 7 - COLOR PALETTES Each entry of a color palette is a RGBQUAD structure. The RGBQUAD structure is defined in the ""windows.h"" include file as: typedef struct tagRGBQUAD { BYTE rgbBlue; BYTE rgbGreen; BYTE rgbRed; BYTE rgbReserved; } RGBQUAD; The ""rgbReserved"" field is always zero. For each color used, the amount of Blue, Green, and Red are filled into the structure and the structure is written to the file. A value of zero in the ""rgbBlue"", ""rgbGreen"", or ""rgbRed"" fields indicates that that particular component does not contribute to the color composition. A value of 255 in any of these fields indicates that the component contributes fully to the color composition. IMAGE DATA There are three surprises about the ordering of image data in DIB image file. The creator of this format was determined to be creative, and certainly was. Within the image data, each line written out is padded to the next four byte quantity. So, if you had an 8-bit image which was only one pixel wide, you still have to write out four bytes for every image line. The number of bytes per line can be calculated as: bytes_per_line = (width_in_pix * bit_depth + 31 ) / 32 * 4; ---or, in terms of the fields of the BITMAPINFOHEADER structure--- bytes_per_line = (biWidth * biBitCount + 31 ) / 32 * 4; When writing out your image data, you must write it out bottom line first. The bottom line of the image as you would look at it on the screen is the first line of image data in the file. For 1-bit, 4-bit, and 8-bit images, information is written as you would expect. One bit images are padded eight pixels to a byte. Four bit images are padded two pixels to a byte. Eight bit images are written one pixel per byte. Twenty-four bit images are written three bytes per pixel. However, for 24-bit images the information must be written out in the order blue, green, red. While most image file formats write data out in March 15, 1991 - 8 - an ""RGB"" ordering, a DIB image file writes the data out in an ""BGR"" ordering. SUMMARY This should provide enough information to create DIB images from applications such as scanners or for image exporting routines. If you find out any more about DIB images, please pass the information on to me so that I can modify this document accordingly. March 15, 1991 -- Thomas B. Kinsman, Rochester, NY, thomas@acadia.kodak.com ""Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty."" -anon ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 268," I don't have any evidence against water from Lourdes curing MS -- I'm sure there is anecdotal evidence that it does. Do you really think that in the absence of a double-blind study I should be indifferent to the hypothesis that water from Lourdes cures MS? For what it's worth, I know of only one double blind study of Nystatin for ""candida hypersensitivity syndrome."" It was published in the New England Journal (I think 1990) and showed no benefit on systemic symptoms (though I think it reduced vaginal yeast infections, not surprisingly). As I recall, the yeast crowd had some major objections to the study, though I don't remember what they were. ",sci.med 269,"Can some kind soul provide me with information on LDRs that contain an onboard light-source, in a totally integrated and light-shielded unit. I have seen a VTL5C LDR in some schematics. So who are the manufacturers of these devices, and what are the different types. Thanks very much in advance, Jim. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Trivellas. Department of Electrical & Electronic Engineering. School of Information Technology & Electrical Engineering. The University of Melbourne, Parkville 3052, Victoria, Australia. | | | Telephone: +61 3 3447976 ***** Email: jimt@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au _______*************_______ _|_____*****************_____|_ _|_|_____*****************_____|_|_ ""Hello, is that the front desk?"" | The SPID |",sci.electronics 270," I'm not sure how far standardisation went, but on two of my bikes (the GS550B and, I think, the GT380M) I was able to pop a Cibie' insert directly into the original housing (held in by those roughly W-shaped springs). The inserts used 55/60W halogen bulbs, and were great, although Mr Bill later indicates that this may be too much of a drain on your charging system.",rec.motorcycles 271," Assuming the fire was caused by lanterns and stoves being knocked about by the tanks pushing on the walls (would shake a building pretty good) perhaps they didn't flee because fleeing would have meant ENTERING the fire from the other side? Like they were surrounded by the fire, and rubble, which finally (combined with teargas, and combustion gasses) overcame and enveloped them? In other words they were TRAPPED by the flames, heat, fumes and rubble? Does that sound plausable? Not as dramatic as Korash forcing them to stay, or shooting them (no shot victims found yet), but plausable... ",talk.politics.guns 272," As you're no doubt aware, Phill, there are probably five or six different, mutually contradictory versions of the events in Waco on Feb. 28 all of which are from reputable news sources, ranging the the Associated Press to TIME to Newsweek. Some of the earliest reports issued by the AP were not at all flattering the to BATF, and produced some question as to who fired first. Now, for all I know, you were there to witness it. But I kind of doubt that. The BATF, in a letter they've been sending out to people, says both that they were ambushed because they lost the element of surprise, and that they went up and knocked on the door and had it slammed in their faces. It strikes *me* as kind of strange to rely on surprise to serve a warrant by knocking on the door. There are at least questions that need to be answered. This paranoid assertation was made by witnesses to the original assault who stated that the BATF initiated hostilities by throwing concussion grenades and reported by the Associated Press. Phill, the BATF were in a firefight with the BD for *forty-five* minutes. I find it hard to believe that if they were expecting peaceful citizens they *wouldn't* have shown up in live-stock trailers and would have retreated immediately. If they *were* expecting peacful citizens, why show up with over a hundred officers, some of which clearly visible on video to be carrying sub-machineguns, and *3* National Guard Helicopters? I don't know who did what, but, as I said, there are questions that need to be answered. ",talk.politics.misc 273," ""In Dog We Thrust""",None 274,"Hi! I am looking for a source of lithium batteries for an original Mac II. The number on the battery is ER 1/2 AA. Local electronic shops & computer stores freak when inquire. The fastest any of them can get a battery to me is 2-3 weeks for about $20. Anything faster and/or cheaper is welcome! Please respond to me via e-mail and I will summarize to the net. Note my e-mail address differs from the return address of this posting. Thanks in advance for your help!",comp.sys.mac.hardware 275," Maybe before Babel,everyone including angels spoke the same language,so at Babel, God punished us by giving us languages different from the original one. So if that's the case,then angels now would be speaking in the tongue mankind spoke before Babel.",soc.religion.christian 276,"Hi, I'm trying to get my program to monitor resize/position events, so that when the program exits, I can save the last known geometry in some sort of 'preferences' file. I am adding an event handler for StructureNotify to the TopLevelShell: XtAddEventHandler(topLevel,StructureNotifyMask,False,configureCB,myData); This works fine, and my callback is called whenever the window is resized or repositioned using the window manager (mwm). However, when I'm just resizing the window, using any resize handle on the window manager resize decoration, the x and y are set to zero in the XEvent passed to the event handler callback. I'm accessing the xconfigure structure, like the X11 manual says. (xev->xconfigure.x, xev->xconfigure.y). The width and height memebers are correct. When I reposition the window, using the window manager, the xevent's xconfigure structure contains all the correct x, y, width, height member settings. Q1: Anybody know why, when just resizing, the x and y are being set to zero? Q2: Any other way to handle detecting and saving geometry changes? I've tried using XtGetValues() on the topLevel widget when exiting my application (before destroying any widgets) and all I get is garbage values for the x, y, width, height resources. Thanks --",comp.windows.x 277," Consider it heard! AMI Enterprise III EISA/VLB w/ UltraStor 34F -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 278,":I tried this code yesterday. On my Sparcstation ELC it takes over :300 seconds to compress 22 seconds' worth of speech. This means that it :needs to be ""optimized"" by over a factor of 10 before it will be usable :in even a half-duplex mode. Ouch! Thanks for trying it. :I question whether CELP is the best approach for this application. It produces :great compression but at the expense of tremendous CPU loads. We want :something that can be run on ordinary workstations or even high-end PC's :without DSP cards. My guess is that some other algorithm is going to be :a better starting point. Yes. I'm not sure if my xposting to comp.speech made it to here too, but I've found that a low sample rate (3300 samples/sec at 8 bits per sample) plus the pd 'shorten' lossless sound compression code actually does get speech into 14.4K with a simdgen left over. This is *definitely* worth working on, folks. And shorten works in well under real-time.",sci.crypt 279,"HELP! I am trying to view .JPG files with my 386SX, 20MHz machine . I have a STB-POWERGRAPH graphics card with 1024 X 768 by 256 colors, with 1Meg RAM on it. I have tried CVIEW097 (with windows-- EXTREMELY SLOW), and DVPEG24. DVPEG24 doesn't work! Even if I pick a lot of the ""modes"" that are supported by POWERGRAPH (so it says in the manual), it doesn't work when I try to view a picture... it only buzzes. Anyone out there that can help me; give me suggestions? I would really appreciate it!",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 280," The problem with this view is that the topic under discussion in this passage *is* marriages that were performed on earth. Jesus' words seem to me to indicate that He regards His response as the answer to their question about which earthly marriage would be valid after the resurrection. This being the case, the most straightforward interpretation, in my opinion, is that marriage does not exist in the next life because those who are raised are of a different nature than what we are now. Other- wise, why would Jesus offer ""but are like the angels in heaven"" as a contrast to the idea of the resurrected marrying and being given in marriage? We do not have angel-like natures now, but someday we shall, and when we do, our earthly marriages will be irrelevant. Or at least, that's what I think Jesus is saying about the post-resurrection validity of marriages performed on earth. Your mileage may vary. :)",soc.religion.christian 281,"1993 World Championships in Germany: ==================================== Group A standings (Munich) Group B standings (Dortmund) -------------------------- ---------------------------- GP W T L GF-GA +/- P GP W T L GF-GA +/- P Canada 3 3 0 0 17- 1 +16 6 Czech republic 3 2 1 0 8- 1 +7 5 Russia 3 2 1 0 12- 4 +8 5 Finland 3 2 1 0 5- 1 +4 5 Sweden 3 2 0 1 8- 6 +2 4 USA 3 1 2 0 8- 3 +5 4 Italy 3 1 1 1 5- 8 -3 3 Germany 3 2 0 1 11- 8 +3 4 ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------- Switzerland 3 0 0 3 0- 9 -9 0 France 3 0 0 3 4-13 -9 0 Austria 3 0 0 3 2-16 -14 0 Norway 3 0 0 3 0-10 -10 0 April 18: Italy - Russia 2-2 Norway - Germany 0-6 Sweden - Austria 1-0 USA - Czech republic 1-1 April 19: Canada - Switzerland 2-0 Russia - Austria 4-2 Finland - France 2-0 April 20: Sweden - Canada 1-4 Czech republic - Germany 5-0 Switzerland - Italy 0-1 Finland - USA 1-1 April 21: Germany - France 5-3 Italy - Sweden 2-6 Czech republic - Norway 2-0 April 22: Switzerland - Russia 0-6 USA - France 6-1 Austria - Canada 0-11 Norway - Finland 0-2 April 23: Switzerland - Austria Germany - Finland 20:00 April 24: Russia - Sweden Czech republic - France 15:30 Canada - Italy USA - Norway 20:00 April 25: Sweden - Switzerland Finland- Czech republic 15:30 Russia - Canada Germany - USA 20:00 April 26: Austria - Italy France - Norway 20:00 PLAYOFFS: ========= April 27: Quarterfinals A #2 - B #3 15:30 A #3 - B #2 20:00 April 28: Quarterfinals A #1 - B #4 15:30 A #4 - B #1 20:00 April 29: Relegation A #5 - B #6 15:30 A #6 - B #5 20:00 April 30: Semifinals A #1/B #4 - A #3/B #2 15:30 A #4/B #1 - A #2/B #3 20:00 May 1: Relegation 14:30 Bronze medal game 19:00 May 2: FINAL 15:00 ",rec.sport.hockey 282," I am thinking about buying a new motherboard and a cyrix 486dlc 40 or 33 Mh z. It will be an upgrade from a 386sx 25. I was wondering if anybody has any FACTS they can fill me in on. If anybody has one what do you think about it? I will also get a cyrix math co with it. I have benchmarks for the two chips a nd they look very good for the price. If anybody responds please send me email because I usually don't check the mail very often but I check my reader daily. Thanks for your info, and remember only respond if you have legitimate comp laints or praise, not just to Cyrix/AMD bash. I know about what Byte, computer shopper, pc computing and etc... have said and that is why I am considering the Cyrix chip. Thanks......... ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 283," This may work, but won't it involve invoking the applications, e.g. if you drag a .bmp or .txt file to the min. Print Manager icon, won't it RUN Notepad and Paintbrush before printing? If you just want to drag a file (.txt or .bmp) to a print server icon, with stay at front attributes, you need an intelligent Print Manager drag and drop client like Amish Print 2.0.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 284," There would be some point to doing long-term monitoring of things like particles and fields, not to mention atmospheric phenomena. However, there is no particular plan to establish any sort of monitoring network. To be precise, there is no particular plan, period. This is a large part of the problem. In this context, it's not surprising that unexciting but useful missions like this get short shrift at budget time. The closest approach to any sort of long-term planetary monitoring mission is the occasional chance to piggyback something like this on top of a flashier mission like Galileo or Cassini. It is most unlikely that there is much happening on Pluto that would be worth monitoring, and it is a prohibitively difficult mission to fly without new propulsion technology (something the planetary community has firmly resisted being the guinea pigs for). The combined need to arrive at Pluto within a reasonable amount of time, and then kill nearly all of the cruise velocity to settle into an orbit, is beyond what can reasonably be done with current (that is, 1950s-vintage) propulsion. Most of this can be done just about as well from Earth. The few things that can't be, can be done better from a Voyager-like spacecraft that is *not* constrained by the need to enter orbit around a planet.",sci.space 285," It sounds as though you might want to try a product such as ""super-glue"". The active ingredient is cynoacrylate, the same compound used to reconstruct bones. I have successfully used superglue for a number of procedures on many different species of animal. If you are simply trying to adhear something to bone for several months, this would be ideal. It bonds almost immediatly, is resistant to infection, and is non-irritating to surrounding tissue. Phil Bowman, Manager Lab Animal Resources University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 larpjb@selway.umt.edu :wg -- ",sci.med 286," Owwww!! Mr. Jefferson would be clearly disappointed in your designation of him as author of the bill of rights. And your reference to those in Israel was condesceding and inappropriate. The Declaratio of Independence of 1776 was written by Thomas Jefferson. In 1787, the Constitution was drafted by 55 men in Philadelphia. In 1791, the Bill of Rights was added. Well, maybe Jefferson would be flattered. As to you guys at UVA, your right, not all of you are anti-Jewish, or self-hating. But when I visited Charlottesville, I noticed a distinct lack of diversity, from which I must assume you garner your inability to perceive the reality of the outside world. ",talk.politics.mideast 287,"(Anthony If she doesn't welcome the excruciating pain of labor, the selfish bitch deserves to die in childbirth. She was probably lying about the rape anyway.",talk.religion.misc 288,"I have the following complete camera kits for sale: Minolta with three lenses. Ricoh with zoom lens. Nikon 35 mm autofocus. $50. Nikkor 50/1.8 MINT. $60.",misc.forsale 289," Sorry, but this is a red herring. Are you contending that the ""mountain of forms"" are processed by Blue Cross? Having had Blue Cross insurance both as a government employee and as an employee of a private corporation, I saw no difference between the two sets of forms. Moreover, the administrative costs associated with Medicare/Medicaid, the two primary forms of ""government"" insurance are considerably lower than the average for private insurance companies. (5% versus 14%-16%). If you have any evidence that Blue Cross bears a heavier burden in insuring government employees than private employees, post it. Otherwise, try to stick to factual assertions. Well now, that's an interesting defense of the ""free enterprise"" system. Are you contending that it is government intervention that prevents private insurance companies from ""standardizing?"" In fact, it is true that some of the red-tape burden stems from the lack of standardization among the 1500 or so private insurers in the US, but it's a little difficult to understand how this is anything other than ""free enterprise"" at work. By the way, Barron's, the bible of Wall Street, this week admitted that administrative costs were significantly lower in Canada because ""....a single-payer system is always cheaper..."". Guess even the ""free enterprise advocates"" are beginning to see the light. Sorry, but you seem to be confusing proposals with health care reform with the Bush administration's gag order on federally funded family planning clinics. There are no proposals that would control what your ""doctor...can and cannot say about medical procedures."" Try again. jsh",talk.politics.misc 290,"I have a Uniden visor clip sized radar detector with x, k, and ka band forsale. Has city/highway and audio/mute options and comes with cigarette lighter attachment. I'm asking $50. Please e-mail replies to jth@bach.udel.edu",misc.forsale 291,"I just bought a new AMIECU EISA motherboard and an Adaptec 1742A fast-SCSI controller. I wanted to install the AHA-1742A and did as written in the AMIECU manual. But the CFG-utility told me to get a newer version of the Adaptec configuration overlay file named 'adp0000.ovr', because the old one is not compatible to my motherboard. The adaptec driver utility is version 3.0. CAN YOU HELP ME ? PLEASE DO SO. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 292," Like we have never heard of, or read these verses before? How about you read them in context, taking into consideration the times and places in which they were written; the local customs and pagan rituals; what the surrounding verses are talking about and how they interact with the rest of the Bible. There are many issues in the Bible that are argued, and can be argued successfullly from both sides of an issue. Some examples that come to mind are Gifts of the Spirit when the Rapture will occur(pre or post tribulation) how people should be baptized to name a few. I have found nothing in scripture that condemns me, or anyone else, for having a monogamous relationship with the person whom I love, even if we are the same sex. I'm sorry if I am coming across as heated. It's just that the Lord has been so dear to me the last several years and I'm tired of hearing this same old thing from people who believe what their told rather than finding out for themselves. Check it out for yourself. Invite the Holy Spirit to guide you. If I weren't confident of this I wouldn't invite you to do this.",soc.religion.christian 293," I doubt his trans uses standard syncros. There are several mechanisms for coupling a gear with the transmission output shaft, some of which are fine for racing and unsuitable for street use. ",rec.autos 294,"For those who pray in tongues, When is it appropriate for you to pray/speak in tongues and why? I just would like to gain more knowledge about this subject.",soc.religion.christian 295," How much do you watch and follow hockey? The Pens and Bruins will be in the same division next season, which will give Neeley plenty of opportunity to whine about Ulf.",rec.sport.hockey 296," Driving While Impared. It allows for prosecution of drivers under the influence of a variety of drugs. ",rec.motorcycles 297,"I am currently managing, among many other labs, a lab with three LC IIs, a Mac Plus with 45 MB external HD, and a LaserWriter II NTX. My problem? The LC IIs seem to intermittently slow to a snail's pace. These LC IIs have 4 MB RAM, 256K VRAM, and a Quantum LP105S HD installed. I have reformatted the drive with Hard Disk Toolkit 1.3, and it gives a very respectable 2.9 overall rating to this drive, so it's not the drive. I have reinstalled System 7.1, MS-Word 5.1a, MS-Works 3.0, and so on, all from the master disks. In short, I have done everything I can think of in software. I am *not* a hardware hacker, though I pop cases fairly often. But nothing works. The problem is intermittent and unpredictable. The mouse always moves smoothly, floppies always run at the same speed, but occasionally, for about 1-2 hours at a time, a machine will run like it was running on a 4 MHz 68000, not a 16 MHz 68030. It is VERY frustrating and makes it nearly unusable. It does seem to worsen with increasing disk activity. Has anyone encountered this problem before? Has anyone got any ideas? They would be much appreciated. -- Andrew Geweke ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 298,"[...] You could be right. Then again, you could be wrong. This claim is completely unverifiable and untestable. I'd wager most of the Braves fans on the net could name more than 3 players from their 1988 season. You could give away tickets to Braves games. However, my Dad and I were able to get great seats from scalper for face value, which isn't exactly the sign of a hot ticket... This is *precisely* why they were considered America's team. Even (especially?) when they were bad, you could see most of the Braves games on cable. You could do that for the Cubs as well, but the Braves had better camerawork, better announcers (what would you rather listen to -- Harry discuss the game, or Skip and Pete discuss motoball?), and teams that weren't *too* much worse. Because of TBS, the Braves had a lot of fans outside of Georgia. At home in Kentucky, even though we were much closer to Cincinnati there was as many Braves fans as Reds fans, even in 1990. You could actually watch the Braves play -- you had to go to Cincinnati to watch the Reds. I can go anywhere in America and watch the Braves. Why? I'd guess that Braves fans are more widely distributed than Toronto fans. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic",rec.sport.baseball 299," See the rec.pets.cats FAQ or any doctor or vet for more information. I am not any of the above, but we do have a couple of cats. It is transmitted through the fecal matter, so a pregnant woman should avoid cleaning the cat tray and you should both wash hands before preparing or eating meals. The latter is sound advice at any time of course. Apart from that, its no great problem. You certainly do not need to get rid of your cats. Paul.",sci.med 300," I can understand your anger about the German audience. I mean, it was the Finnish team they played and they were taking advantage of the ridiculous penalties the Canadien ref called in the last period. The Germans got a match penalty and a 10 minutes misconduct for practically nothing and seconds after that the German goalie got two minutes for ""delay of game"" for a shot that was deflected and went into the crowd. The resulting 5:3 skating advantage lead to the deciding goal at a point, when the Germans were starting to come up strong. I am also sick of the nationalism that is going on in German sports events. If you watch for example a tennis Davis Cup match the players are often not able to play for minutes, because the crowd is so obnoxious. But I have to admit that this kind of nationalism is as strong or even stronger in most other countries (you should go to the US and watch the way they present the Olympics on television; or the soccer crowds in England; or the Finnish spectators at nordic skiing events.....). I mean it makes me sick to see all this nationalism all over the world and I would rather see the best team/player win and get cheared at. I do not mind if my favorite team looses to somebody that is better or plays more attractive and I have to admit that in most sports the German national site is not my favorite team to watch (the German soccer team is boring to watch, for example). But, reading the above posting, I think that you are on the same level as these crowds you are criticizing. It is easy to talk of (nearly all) Germans as Nazis and nationalists; thats the kind of propaganda that all ultraconservative people use against Germany. It is true that there is a great danger of re-arising nationalism in Germany but from my experience most of the people (at least of the people that i know) also regard this as a big threat and are trying to demonstrate this attitude now. Why can't we just look at people as human beeings and not try to put them into drawers corresponding to their nationality (eg. all Russians are Communists; all Americans are Capitalists; all Germans are Nazis, all Fins are hanging around beeing drunk on ferries...). In my opinion, your comment shows the narrowness of your mind and that you don't seem to be different from the Nazis you are talking about. Thomas ",rec.sport.hockey 301," but theology is full of reason even if it is, as we believe, based on false premises etc etc. hold on there: no meaning to ""consciousness"" or ""mind"" or ""self""?! what illogicality? since when is, for instance, (non-behaviourist) psychology a pipe dream? Surely the major purpose of the science of psychology is to understand the workings of the mind. ""manifestations of the mundane"" sounds rather transcendental to me. In fact ""matter"", ""energy"", ""space"" and ""time"" are well measured but mysterious concepts. Does an atheist really have to believe in your reductionism or be cast out as not following the true faith?!",alt.atheism 302,"hey folks, I'm fairly new to these groups, tho' some have heard from me before. I'd like to get your comments on a question that has been on my mind a lot: What morals/ethics apply to dreams and out-of-body incidents? In normal dreams, you can't control anything, so obviously you aren't morally responsible for your actions. But if you can contrive to control the action in dreams or do an OOBE, it seems like a morality applies. Now, there seem to be 3 alternatives: 1) Dreams and OOBEs are totally mental phenomena. In this case no morality applies beyond what might be called 'mental hygiene', that is, not trying to think about anything evil, or indulgining in overly sexy or violent thoughts. 2) Dreams and OOBEs have a reality of their own (i.e. are 'another plane') Evidence for this is that often dreams and OOBEs are sometimes done in common by more than one person. A mark of objective fact is that >1 people report the same objective experience. In this case, the same interpersonal morality/ethics applies in dreams and OOBEs as does in waking life. 3) Like (2), but here we assume that though the dreeam and OOBE environs have a real existence, a different moral/ethics apply there, and no (or maybe different) moral laws apply there. So... There it is. Is one of these cases the truth, or does anyone know of another alternative? respond by post or email. thanks very much *dt* ========================================================",soc.religion.christian 303,"Base Unit 1 Controller All Cables and hookups Games: Kieth Courage Legenary Axe Fantasy Zone Victory Run Wrestling Challenge Blazing Lasers Military Madness Bloody Wolf",misc.forsale 304,"[..] Possibly the parallel just stems from your tending to use bad sources... Anyway, don't you think that similarity is rather shallow? You're only looking at the surface, at the way of argumentation. And now you should perhaps go a little deeper and try to find the difference, for example, find out whether you can find real science done by Hitching. If you can't, will you then admit that your attempt at quoting an authority has backfired? ",talk.religion.misc 305,"I know nothing about Sun's but replacing pieces of libraries, shared or not, is straight forward on RS/6000's (all releases). Extract the appropriate pierce with ar; rebind the .o; and replace with ar. See Info for details. ",comp.windows.x 306,"From article <1r0mhtINNa59@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, by dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard): I noticed that too. Special agent (asshole actually) Ricks stated that David Koresh had ""explosives that could blow up an armored vehicle 40 feet into the air."" It looked like to me that the BDs had plenty of opportunity to use these explosives---provided that they had them in the first place. For example, when one of the tanks was injecting CS gas into the ranch house (yes ranch house; the BDs weren't living in a fortress) they could have easily destroyed or disabled that tank because it was idling there for a considerable length of time. So, why didn't they do this? Could it be that they didn't have any explosives or similar munitions? I just don't buy what the ATF and FBI have been saying. Hopefully, the truth will come out. Here's something noteworthy: after the fire had been burning for some time an explosion occurred---just *one* explosion. The media said that this was some of the explosives that the BDs posessed going off. I don't think this was the case. My brother and I noticed that this so-called ""explosion"" resembled a plume of propane gas being ignited. We figure that this is what it was because of how the ""explosion"" looked and sounded. Obviously, it wasn't due to something like TNT, dynamite, or C4. I have seen a propane explosion before...the explosion in the ranch house greatly resembled this. Also, I noticed something that looked like a propane tank in the charred ruble the next day. Isn't it curious that the ATF wasn't very forthcoming about how the four officers got killed? Many weeks had gone by before they stated that some of the officers had been killed and/or wounded by grenades thrown by the BDs. Earlier, when someone asked one of the spokespersons about whether or not an autopsy had been performed on the slain agents, they said that an autopsy had been done but THEY WEREN'T READY TO RELEASE THE FINDINGS. Now why is this? Does the ATF have something to hide? Perhaps those four agents were killed by friendly fire. What is the cause of death exactly? NO ONE HAS EVER SAID WHAT IT IS. What is certain is this: ATF agents *did* throw grenades into the compound. As a matter of fact, Mr. Koresh handed his lawyer a grenade body during one of the lawyer's visits to the compound. Later on the lawyer gave the grenade body (I don't know if it was a dud or a spent one btw) to the ATF. How much do you want to bet that this grenade will mysteriously disappear? At this point in time the only people we know who had grenades was the ATF agents. Wouldn't it be a shocker if the no one ever found any evidence of grenades, rockets, or explosives in the rubble? The ATF would sure have egg on their face then. Note that the ATF is doing the *initial* sweep of the rubble. The FBI and the Texas Rangers won't investigate until the ATF is done. This looks like a perfect opportunity for the ATF to make sure that others ""find"" what they want for them to ""find"" if you know what I mean. I'm probably being a little paranoid here but if I am I have could reason to be. Recall that several weeks had gone by before anyone said that the BDs had used grenades. Also recall that early on the ATF had *denied* that their agents used grenades on the BDs. Someone is lying here. Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot",talk.politics.guns 307," I is a strong deterent to the teens that are executed. They won't do that again! This policy cuts way down on repeat offenders. Please do not flame me - I don't agree with capital punishment for teen's. They are also unsupervised. With proper supervision, they would not be throwing rocks. If parents cannot provide the minimal supervision needed to stop this activity, they should not be allowed to have children :-) Notice the smiley ;-) ",rec.autos 308," 4. Annex Gaza to Egypt. 5. Annex Gaza to Israel 6. Maintain the status quo. 7. Partition Gaza into a Jewish and an Arab state. I don't necisarily support any of these, I just felt like pointing out there are way more than three solutions. Next time, maybe we'll see some research into them.... Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu",talk.politics.mideast 309," From psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) on rec.martial-arts... >I'm sure such weapons have been developed. Our society does not, >however, condone their possession or use. Actually, Joe, I wrote the above. Peter was responding to my article. I'm actually rather confused by your post. I suppose I didn't make myself clear, cause you seem to have gotten exactly the opposite impression from what I intended. I suppose ""the authorities"" might have been a better term than ""society"". Carry and use a firearm in many parts of the country (certainly the parts I live in), and expect, at the very least, to have an awful lot of explaining to do. And there is also appears to be a trend in society at large that actively opposes what many see as their right to defend themselves. In a few other parts of our society, handguns are banned or so restricted as to be practically unavailable to the law- abiding citizen for self-defense outside the home. Funny, though, how the criminals in such places continue to have a lush supply of guns and no compunctions about using them. IMHO, you don't need to be either a political philosopher or a crime victim to realize that there's a flaw in the gun- grabbers' logic. Agreed. You're welcome to your HO, too, the First Amendment being as important as the Second, but please don't let your obvious good intentions be subverted by insupportable generalities about something as big and diverse as US society. My only intention was to comment that the existence of suitable weapons of self defense doesn't mean you'll escape a whole shitload of trouble should you be forced to use them. Or by the naive hope that making gun possession a crime will give pause to someone who would be a criminal anyway. I made no such statements, nor do I have such a naive hope or outlook. Wishing you peace and the wherewithal to defend yourself if others' thoughts are not that kindly, That's all I want: the opportunity to leave in peace, or to have the means to defend myself when that in not possible. I *think* we agree on this issue. I guess my position didn't survive the transition from cognition to ASCII. ",talk.politics.guns 310,"News: ===== For the first time all season, the Flames are now injury-free. The only player remaining on the limp is center Carey Wilson who, even when healthy, is not a major part of the team. Trent Yawney did not score a goal all season until the last regular season game against San Jose. He potted his first of the year in that game, and has also scored goals in both Game 1 and Game 2 against Los Angeles. Thoughts on Game 1: ================== The Flames played horribly in dropping the first game of their series with Los Angeles 6-3 on Sunday afternoon. They seemed more interested in throwing big hits than in scoring goals. They physically dominated the Kings, but that was the only area they dominated in. The game plan was to rush the net and try and take advantage of a young, inexperienced L.A. defence and the shaky Kings goaltending, but those plans fell by the wayside while the Flames conducted a steady march to the penalty box. Particularily stupid was Theoren Fleury taking a five minute major and a game misconduct for slamming Warren Rychel's face into the dasher while Rychel was on his knees. Goaltender Mike Vernon played well and could not really be faulted for the loss, despite his well-publicized poor record in afternoon games. He got very little support from his defence in clearing the front of the net and sweeping away rebounds. In fact, Marty McSorley's goal actually went in off Chris Dahlquist's skate in front of the net. Thoughts on Game 2: ================== The Flames came back strong in the second game, evidently aware of the potentially fatal consequences of losing both the first two games on home ice. The first period was fairly even, with the edge going to the Kings. But Calgary came out strong in the second period and simply dominated the Kings, scoring five goals to take a lead they never relinquished en route to a 9-4 win. The deciding factors in this game were faceoffs and special teams. Calgary dominated on faceoffs as they did in Game 1, but they were able to make better use of the won faceoffs in this game than they did in the first one. Calgary also went 3-for-5 on the powerplay while L.A. only went 1-for-8 and gave up a shorthanded goal to Joel Otto. L.A.'s powerplay goal also came late in the game with the outcome already decided. The Kings' powerplay failed them when they needed it most, in the 1st and 2nd periods. The Flames lost RW Greg Paslawski with a suspected shoulder injury when he was leveled by Alexei Zhitnik right after scoring Calgary's 7th goal. Charlie Huddy left the game for the Kings with a groin injury. The game was marred by stupidity in the last minute. First, Craig Berube of Calgary took a five-minute major for fighting plus a game misconduct for instigating when he went after Tony Granato for no apparent reason. Granato drew a minor for some strange reason. (Turtling perhaps). This was followed 30 seconds later by Warren Rychel drawing a major, minor, and game misconduct for hitting Frank Musil in the face with his stick and then instigating a fight. Musil got a fighting major for some similarily strange reason. Hardy and Yawney went toe-to-toe and both got double minors. (Gregson thought that Musil turtling amounted to fighting, but that Yawney and Hardy throwing punches at each other was just roughing? Where's this guy from.....) Upcoming games: ============== Friday April 23, at L.A. Sunday April 25, at L.A. Tuesday April 27, home to L.A. Thursday April 29, at L.A. (if necessary) Saturday May 1, home to L.A. (if necessary) Injuries: ======== C Carey Wilson, indefinite with recurring knee injuries (Dec 10) 1992-93 Calgary Flames final regular season statistics. ======================================================== # Pos. Name GP G A Pts +/- PIM =============================================================================== 14 RW Theoren Fleury 83 34 66 100 +14 88 26 C Robert Reichel 80 40 48 88 +25 54 20 D Gary Suter 81 23 58 81 -1 112 10 LW Gary Roberts 58 38 41 79 +32 172 25 C Joe Nieuwendyk 79 38 37 75 +9 52 42 RW Sergei Makarov 71 18 39 57 0 40 2 D Al MacInnis 50 11 43 54 +15 61 29 C Joel Otto 75 19 33 54 +2 150 28 LW Paul Ranheim 83 21 22 43 -4 26 23 RW Greg Paslawski 73 18 24 42 +3 12 22 RW Ron Stern 70 10 15 25 +4 207 15 LW Brent Ashton 58 10 13 23 +11 52 11 LW Chris Lindberg 62 9 12 21 -3 18 34 D Roger Johansson 77 4 16 20 +13 62 18 D Trent Yawney 63 1 16 17 +9 67 3 D Frank Musil 80 6 10 16 +28 131 39 C Brian Skrudland 39 7 7 14 +4 65 16 LW Craig Berube 77 4 8 12 -6 209 7 D Michel Petit 35 3 9 12 -5 54 4 D Kevin Dahl 61 2 9 11 +9 56 33 C Carey Wilson (I) 22 4 7 11 +10 8 5 D Chris Dahlquist 74 3 7 10 0 66 21 D Alexander Godynyuk 27 3 4 7 +6 19 19 RW Todd Harkins 15 2 3 5 -4 22 12 LW Paul Kruse 27 2 3 5 +2 41 35 G Jeff Reese 26 0 4 4 0 4 6 D Greg Smyth 35 1 2 3 +2 95 30 G Mike Vernon 64 0 2 2 0 42 27 RW Thomas Forslund 6 0 2 2 0 0 ?? C Shawn Heaphy 1 0 0 0 0 2 ?? LW Patrick Lebeau 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 G Andrei Trefilov 1 0 0 0 0 2",rec.sport.hockey 311,"I have recently purchased a PB170 and have no more use for my RasterOps 8XL. It has been a great card. I should have traded it with my IIci, but I forgot. My forgetfulness si your gain. Great 8 bit video that supports: 640x480 (Apple 13""/14"") 640x870 (Apple Portrait) 800x600 (Silly DOS monitor resolution) 1024x768 (60hz & 75hz) 1152x870 (Apple 21"") Has hardware Pan & Zoom and supports virtual desktops up to the size of 2 Newspaper pages. Includes standard Apple monitor cable or card to BNC, you choose. I am asking $250 (it's still advertised in MacWorld for up to $499). Completely negotiable. I can get a monitor and sell the pair. I will accept offers for software or PowerBook accessory trades. Make an offer. ",misc.forsale 312," FWB distributes HDT Personal Edition (HDT = Hard Drive Toolkit), which is what I own. This is less fancy than the ""full"" version, but good enough for what you and I want to do. Casa Blanca offers Drive7, but I'm not that familiar with it. I *think* that both Drive7 and HDT PE can be had for around US$50. I've used Silverlinging at work (v 5.42??), and I like HDT PE much better. IMHO it has a better interface, and easier to understand. Any Drive7 users?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 313," I too am of the same sentiment Bart, but realistically, this town DOESN'T WANT TO pay for quality player and hence we are loosing these people left, right and center. Labour is also responsible for their boycott Pocklington movement. I would like the Oilers to stay, but realistically, given this situation, it's bye-bye Oilers.",rec.sport.hockey 314,"Hello Xperts out there. I've just built X11R5 for SunOS 4.1.1/SPARC. I have gcc-2.2 and I'd like to use its 64-bit capability to generate an X11 release which will render to the frame buffer using store-double (64-bit) machine code. Can anyone tell me which directories/source files/ compiler switches to begin with? thanks in advance",comp.windows.x 315," Hi, I have been told by a local sales that Asante has come out with this LCIII PDS Ethernet adapter with an optional 68882 socket on the board. My question is will the FPU performance degrade will I put the 68882 on the PDS card socket instead of on the motherboard itself? Intuitively, the math co-processor should always be placed close to the CPU, but I am not sure how good Apple's so-called processor-direct slot is when it comes to throughout. Does anyone know the answer to this or have any experience with the Asante LCIII Ethernet adapter? Thanks in advance. From what I've heard the PDS slot clock is only 16MHz, to be compatible with the old LC style boards, while the FPU socket close to the CPU is clocked at 25MHz. I guess a board designed for the LCIII can get a 25MHz clock from the extended PDS socket...",comp.sys.mac.hardware 316," I looked back at this, and asked some questions of various people and got the following information which I had claimed and you pooh-poohed. The US has not sold Iraq any arms. Their navy is entirely made of F-USSR vessels. Their airforce (not including stuff captured from Kuwait which I am not as sure about), doesn't include any US equipment. Their missiles are all non-US. Their tanks are almost all soviet, with about 100 French tanks (older ones). The only US stuff in the Iraqi arsenal is a few M113s. Those were not sold to Iraq. Iraq captured them from other countries (like Kuwait). Information is hard to prove. You are claiming that the US sold information? Prove it. Now, how did the US build up Iraq again? I just gave some fairly conclusive evidence that the US didn't sell arms to Iraq. Information is hard to prove, almost certainly if the US did sell information, then that fact is classified, and you can't prove it. If you can provide some useful evidence that the US sold arms or valuable intelligence to Iraq, I am very interested, but not if you just make claims based on what ""everyone knows"". ",alt.atheism 317," Spring break, I went through the four corners area and back. The most beautiful stop I made was in Utah at the Needles Overlook. Though this is a bit further east than where you appear to be going, I highly recommend it. IMHO it is far more beautiful than the Grand Canyon. It was not well marked, but was one of few paved roads off of US191 (I was heading north from Monticello). In order to get to the right place, I should clarify that it is the Needles OVERLOOK, and not the recreation area. Heading north from Monticello, it is the second turnoff, and may have been marked as the Anticline Overlook. Anticline overlook is about 20 (dirt, if this matters to you) miles past the Needles overlook. The road out to the overlook is paved and reasonably maintained (I ran it about 70mph). Looking out from the overlook was like being God and looking down on the world. If it isn't too far out of your way, you should see it. ",rec.motorcycles 318,"only (to was mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com ",None 319," Yes it invokes the associated application. That takes but 10 seconds?",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 320," ",None 321," : Hi All, : Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an : authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that : is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki? : Thanks, I have a receipe at home that was posted to me by one of our fellow netters about a month ago. I am recalling this from memory but I think I'm fairly close (by the way it was GREAT!) 1 pint of plain yogurt 1/2 med. sized cucumber finely shredded 3 cloves of garlic (more or less by taste) 1/4 tsp dill weed The yogurt is dumped into a strainer lined with a coffee filter and allowed to drain at least 2 hours (you can adjust the consistancy of the sauce by increasing this time up to 24 hours) The shredded cuc is drained the same way Mix it all together and let it steep for at least 2 hours (it's better the next day) and enjoy!",sci.med 322," Um... they've sold the Cray. They realised that spending two years on numbercrunching the finite stress analysis figures for the complex injection-molded cases was not the way to go, and was holding up development work. Especially when the first FEA model for the portable left out the battery cover, and it had to be redone. That's why the portable was about three years late. Designing metal cases is easier - they're managing with the Calculator DA, now it can compute 45/100-0.45 correctly. Any other suggestions?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 323,"Has anyone noticed that all this happened since Chris Perez was gifted with a membership? Anyone for rec.motorcycles.beemer.club.whiner? I know this might get confused with K-whiners, but maybe there's a connection?",rec.motorcycles 324,"Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew of an interface to od ( octal dump ), I assume it would be called xod. Actually, any viewer for a core file will do. I looked at export ( @ mit ) in the index of /contrib, but didn't find anything relevant. ",comp.windows.x 325," No, what it means is that I, like a majority of environmental scientists/researchers, agree that El Nino/La Nina and the Southern Oscillations are the systems involoved in that climatic phenomena categorized by humans as a drought(1988). Furthermore, in response to an earlier message, the 1992 U.S. est. output of sulfur dioxide (20 mill. tons) was equivalent to the entire output by the recent eruption of Mt. Pinautubo(Sp.). Currently world carbon dioxide levels set at approx. 360 ppm, in the past 120,000 years it has never gone above 280 (this info was found using ice core samples from the joint French/Russian/U.S. Vostok project). Furthermore, the background emmisions of chlorine compounds into the atmoshpere is about 0.6 ppb annually, it now sits at 3.5. This OVERWHELMING data/info is found in the World Resources doc. published by Oxford University. The ozone hole in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres keeps getting bigger and stickin' around longer whilst skeptics ponder how wrong or corrupt all this data from government and international scientific institutions is. It is a pity, that, if the skeptics are wrong and we base our complacency on their Limbaugh psycho babble, then we will find ourselves strapped by limited options with which to rectify the primal engineering of our industrial age.",talk.politics.misc 326," A search for illegally held weapons (IF there were any, no evidence yet produced to this effect) does not justify firing into a house with women and children, either. It also does not justify shooting first without identifying oneself (the ATF and FBI have done this before, so don't say they haven't, please) or producing a warrant. Guess it depends on whose story one believes, huh? Which ""others"" are we talking about here? ""Sub lethal""? Excuse me, but those people are dead!!! Evidence? So far the FBI has produced none. Don't hold your breath. Only a few of those being held in chains and s(hackles are wanted . The rest are being held for the crime of being ""material witnesses"". It was not the Feds decision to make, but the firefighters. This is true of ANY answer to a call for help from a fire department by ANY citizen. Since fire departments do answer calls that ""deprive resources that might be needed elsewhere"" it is not a valid reason for not calling them. Further, since the Davidians had not been found guilty of any crime in a court of law, they are subject to the same protection as any other citizen. And las far as I know, even criminals in prison are not left to burn to death in a fire. I guess this is a matter of religious faith with you? The government says it, so it must be so? Or haven't you been reading this thread well enough to notice that some of us here don't beleive their story? Patients in psychiatric hospitals are not left to die in fires, either. Besides, as I explained, some of us here believe their distress might have been genuine. Are you SO certain it wasn't? There is no evidence that the Davidians committed human sacrifice either before of after the initial raid. And self-defense is not murder. He did not say it was deliberate. Accidents do not require conspiracy theories, only wanton disregard for human life. The initial raid alone (agents firing blind into walls against all standards of law enforce- ment procedure) proves they did not mind killing people. No one here is ""supporting Koresh"". We are opposing the illegal use of excessive violence by our government against our citizens. That is all. A society that believes it is OK to terrorize people for their religious views will destroy itself in due time. It is the feds who disrupted the ""fabric of society"" in Waco, not Koresh. It is the feds who forced a nightmare onto the people of Mount Carmel. On what basis do you assume we haven't? Don't you really mean ""It would be a good thing if people drew the same conclusions from history that I do?"" :-) ""Militant"" implies acts of aggression against one's neighbors. The Davidians left their neighbors alone. .religious heretics who left to set up such a community So what? The Mormons were considered a ""cult"" for years, and were chased out of one place after another on much the same thinking as you are advocating. When they finally got to ""set up a community"" they left people alone. So far Americans haven't been put to the sword by Mormon hordes crying to avenge Joseph Smith. :-) It doesn't mean they won't either. Anyway, the whole purpose of a system of laws is to punish people for what they DO, not what they MIGHT do. ""Telling"" is not the same as ""forcing"". When the police knock at my door, I cannot make them go away by changing the channeI. As for Pat and friends, I don't even WATCH their channel, since I am an atheist. So far, not watching them tell me what to do hasn't gotten me killed :-) Right now, the only people sticking guns in anyone's faces is the government. And they are trying very hard to run my life. Or haven't you noticed? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------------",talk.politics.misc 327," Oh, yeah. This is a fine place. We haven't had the ""why does concrete kill lead-acid batteries"" thread in at least six months. The concrete simply sucks all the electrons out of the battery and drains them into the ground. Another explanation, implausible as it is, is that the lead-acid battery needs to be periodically charged (topped-off), otherwise the battery self-discharges and then undergoes irreversible chemical reaction. Naawwwww.... the concrete sucks the life out. ",sci.electronics 328," (deletion) Bogus. I just said that theism is not the only factor for fanatism. The point is that theism is *a* factor. That's a claim you have to support. Please note that especially in the field of theism, the leaders believe what they say. That's a straw man. And as usually in discussions with you one has to repeat it: Read what I have written above: not every theism leads to fanatism, and not all fanatism is caused by theism. The point is, there is a correlation, and it comes from innate features of theism. Gullibility, by the way, is one of them. And to say that I am going to forbid religion is another of your straw men. Interesting that you have nothing better to offer. That's bogus. Self reference is not circular. And since the evaluation of usefulness is possible within rational systems, it is allowed. Your argument is as silly as proving mathematical statements needs mathematics and mathematics are therfore circular. I've been speaking of religious systems with contradictory definitions of god here. An axiomatic datum lends itself to rational analysis, what you say here is a an often refuted fallacy. Have a look at the discussion of the axiom of choice. And further, one can evaluate axioms in larger systems out of which they are usually derived. ""I exist"" is derived, if you want it that way. Further, one can test the consistency and so on of a set of axioms. what is it you are trying to say? Using the traditonal definition of gods. Personal, supernatural entities with objective effects on this world. Usually connected to morals and/or the way the world works. Person A believes system B becuase it sounds so nice. That does not make B true, it is at best a work hypothesis. However, the content of B is that it is true AND that it is more than a work hypothesis. Testing or evaluating evidence for or against it therefore dismissed because B (already believed) says it is wronG/ a waste of time/ not possible. Depending on the further contents of B Amalekites/Idolaters/Protestants are to be killed, this can have interesting effects.",alt.atheism 329," >If this idea goes through, it's the thin end of the wedge. Soon >companies will be doing larger, and more permanant, billboards in the >sky. I wouldn't want a world a few decades from now when the sky >looks like Las Vegas. That would _really_ make me sad. Think for a moment about the technology required to do that. By the time they could make the Earth's sky look like Las Vegas, the people could afford to go backpacking on the Moon. Round trip costs for 500 kg to the Moon would be about the same as 5000 kg in a Low Earth ""advertising"" orbit: Very roughly the same cost as a smallish billboard, therefore. If such ads were to become common place, that would have to be a very low price... This is nonsense. Its like saying that by the time commercials on television become commonplace every citizen will have their own hour long nationally broadcast TV program. There's always been a problem of having to get away from civilization before you can really find ""natural"" scenery. 100 years ago, this usually didn't take a trip of over 5 miles. Today, most people would have to go 100 miles or more. If we ever get to the point where we have billboards on orbit, that essentially means that no place on Earth is still ""wild."" While that may or may not be a good thing, the orbital billboards aren't the problem: They are just a symptom of growing, densely-populated civilization. Banning such ads will not save your view of the night sky, because by the time such ads could become widespread you will probably have trouble finding a place without street lights, where you can _see_ the stars... The rest of your post is strange mishmash of ""its already really bad"" and ""it doesn't really matter if it gets worse."" You should try to figure out what you are really arguing for. (Kneejerk anti-environ- mentalism?) -david",sci.space 330," If you check the news today, (AP) the ""authorities also found a state-of-the-art automatic machine gun that investigators did not know was in the cult's arsenal."" [Carl Stern, Justice Department] I imagine the authorities know the difference between semi and fully automatic and probably knew weather the guns were legal as they have access to any relative documentation (i.e. permits). In addition the .50 caliber guns (plural) were semi-automatic rifles.",talk.religion.misc 331,"Here we are with the Sabres up 2-0 to the Bruins and the Sabres' farm team, the Rochester Amerks, on their way to the Calder Cup (urp!) and what kind of hockey coverage are we getting? The same Penguins/Devils every other day crap that everyone else gets. What's worse, the SportsChannel coverage of the Islanders appears to be blocked out, since we got CBA basketball last night, if you can believe it. I assume the Sabres are demanding the SC blackout, not ESPN, since we are, unbelievably, usually considered part of the Islanders territory (MSG coverage of the Rangers is blacked out here). This despite being a solid seven hours plus from Long Island. Does anyone know what GRC is doing, besides putting their satellite dish up their ass and screwing my reception of channels 8, 10, and 13? Did Empire demand a fortune for the games? What about the games on Fox37 (or whatever number it is there in Buffalo)? Has anyone phoned to complain (besides me)? George ",rec.sport.hockey 332,"We just received an AppleOne Color Scanner for our lab. However, I am having trouble getting reasonable scanned output when printing a scanned photo on a LaserWriter IIg. I have tried scanning at a higher resolution and the display on the screen appears very nice. However, the printed version is coming out ugly! Is this due to the resolution capabilities of the printer? Or are there tricks involved to get better quality? Or should we be getting something (like PhotoShop) to ""pretty up"" the image? I will appreciate any suggestions. Thanks in advance, -Kris ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 333," Correct, we have no parallax measurements on the bursts. Therefore, we can't tell whether they're slightly extra solar or not! (which means that parallax can't tell us whether or not it's real close.) ",sci.space 334,"This week, many of you have asked about my earlier postings on OT, NT and Intertestiment exegesis on the homosexual issue. I have refered you to the FAQ files, which I find out, no longer contains them. They are too long for me to mail to each of you, each article, but will try to get them back on the FAQ file. Because of the renewed interest on this subject, I will type, with permission, an article by James DeYoung. I think it is one of the best articles that I've read todate from the conservative position. I can't post it all at once, so it will come piece meal and not daily. After I'm done retyping the entire article, I will make it available for the FAQ file. Talk to clh. Also, for those who can't get through to me, you may try one of these: REXLEX@FNAL.FNAL.GOV LEXREX@ALMOND.FNAL.GOV Loren Senders@ADMAIL.FNAL.GOV THE SOURCE AND NT MEANING OF ARSENOKOITAI, WITH IMPLICATIONS FOR CHRISTIAN ETHICS AND MINISTRY James B. DeYoung Professor of New Testament Western Conservative Baptist Seminary Portland, Oregon Traditional interpretation of arsenokoitai (""homosexuals"") in 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 refers to sexual vice between people of the same sex, specifically homosexualitiy. Some restrict the term's meaning to ""active male prostititute,"" but stronger evidence supports a more general translation, namely ""homosexuals."" More recently the definition ""homosexual"" has been opposed on clutural and linguistic grounds, the claim being that the term ""homosexuals"" is anachronistic. In addition, criticism of the traditional rendering says the term today includes celibate homophiles, excludes heterosexuals who engage in homosexual acts, and includes female homosexuals. A concern for acts instead of the modern attention to desires was the only factor in the ancient world. The foregoing oppositition to the translation of arsenokoitai by ""homosexuals"" has a number of debilitating weaknesses. Finally, this study argues that Paul coined the term arsenokoitai, deriving it from the LXX of Lev 20:12 (cf. 18:22) and using it for homosexual orientation and behavior, the latter of which should be an occasion for church discipline (I Cor 5-6) and legislation in society (1 Tim 1:8-11). ************************************* INTRODUCTION Coincident with the rise of the gay rights movement in recent years has been an increasing focus on the biblical statements regarding homosexuality or sodomy. As part of this focus, the meaning of the term arsenokoitai, used twice by the apostle Paul (1 Cor 6:9, I Tim 1:10), has received vigorous scrutiny. This issue is particularly crucial to contemporary society since so much of modern ethics is shaped by biblical statements. More particularly, the concern over gay rights and the place of gays or homosexuals in the church and in society require the resolution of biblical interpretation. This study of historical, linguistic, and literary matters will survey and evalutate recent proposals for the meaning of arsenokoitai and present evidence to point to a resolution. Several writers and their positions represent the modern debate on this word. Three authors, Bailey, Boswell, and Scroggs, have provoked considerable discussion and significantly encouraged the wider acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle in society, in the church, and in the ministry. ",soc.religion.christian 335,"Does anyone else make low radiation emission monitors besides NEC? How do they compare to NECs (quality and emission-wise)? TIA, Les ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 336," Interesting that Janet Reno has publically announced that we need steal ourselves for more Wacos. I wonder if I can get the gasoline concession. Yup. Kill that bastard! Ah, yes. The ILLEGAL helicopter, searchign for the non-existent PCP lab. I remember it well, even if the media ( and y'all ) tell me I don't. Call me Winston. Ahhh, yes. The ""non-existent"" canisters. Call me Winston again. I did too, but for different reasons. The FBI has a habit of burning up people in fortified areas. Yup. Good. Dead. YEAH! Maybe Janet will do some more, just like she's promis, er, WARNED us about. Like I told y'all before. I would SERIOUSLY consider the following:",talk.politics.guns 337," I believe it is illegal to send any cryptographic code out of the country without an export license. (Others will correct me if this is inaccurate.) Dunno if you'd get one for the particular code you have; the only way to find out is to apply for a license. Note that you need to distinguish between what is legal to send to Canada if YOU have such a license, and what is legal to send if you don't. ",sci.crypt 338," Am I correct in assuming that the science instruments buffer their acquired data in onboard RAM, which is then downloaded upon receipt of the MRO command?",sci.space 339," This is also being replied to via e-mail. I dialed my university librarian, and he looked it up: Loma Linda University Medical Center Loma Linda, CA 92350 I don't know an Internet address for them, but they can be reached by telephone at (714) 824-4300. Good luck. ",sci.med 340,": Hello : I've got an old Trident 8800CS SVGA card, but lacking suitable drivers : for windows 3.1. The drivers for the 8900 series seem to be incompatible. : Does anyone have an idea of where to get these drivers? Address for an : ftp-site would be nice. : Thanks in advance : Jouni : _______________________________________________________________________________ : Jouni Marttila - Yo-kyl{ 11 B 25, 20540 Turku, FINLAND - +358 21 374624____ : jmarttila@abo.fi - jmarttila@finabo - abovax::jmarttila - jjmartti@utu.fi__ : PGP-key available via finger jmarttila@abo.fi ___________________________ You can find the drivers at wuarchive.wustl.edu in the /msdos/windows3 sub- directory. I think the files are called ""tvgawin31a.zip"" and ""tvgawin31b.zip."" Those are the latest drivers available as far as I know.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 341," Here are the ones I can remember offhand: KDKA 1020 AM Pittsburgh Penguins WABC 770 AM New Jersey Devils WBBM 780 AM Chicago Blackhawks WJM (?) 720 AM Detroit Redwings KMOX 1120 AM St. Louis Blues Are the Flyers on 1210? That's all I can think of.",rec.sport.hockey 342," I've got a very nice collection of historical books on medical quackery, and on the topic of massage this is a recurring theme. Ordinary massage is intended to make a person feel better, especially if they have muscular or joint problems. But -- like chiropracty -- there are some practitioners who take the technique to a far extreme, invoking what seems to me to be quack science to justify their technique. In the case of massage, there is a technique called ""deep abdominal massage"" in which the masseur is literally attempting to massage the intestines! The notion is that undigested food adheres to the inner surface of the intestines and putrifies, releasing poisons which cause various disease syndromes. By this vigorous and painful procedure, it is alleged that these deposits can be loosened up and passed out.",sci.med 343,"On the subject of the V4,Ford in the UK used V4 engines exstensively in their Ford Transit vans.This brings back a memory from the seventies.I played in a band at the time and for something like 180 pounds four of us bought a 1967 ""tranny"" to cart the gear around in.It was in terrible shape (cosmetically) because it's last owner was a pig farmer.We spent days cleaning it up and putting in a partition and more seating but 'til the day it died everytime you turned on the fan to the defroster dried pig shit came flying out the vents!!!. Back to the engine if I remember right it was a 1600cc V4 and that thing could haul,we could fill it with equipment and up to 8 people and it went like a bat out of hell,of course there were no pollution controls on the engine and the gas was leaded and higher octane than we get now. When the mechanical fuel pump quit we put in an electric one from a Morris Minor that worked great. Ah fond memories. ",rec.autos 344," Heck, I seem to feel like that *every* time I eat out. Including in the cafeteria at work. About half the time, the headache intensifies until nothing will make it go away except throwing up. Ick. As you might imagine, I don't eat out a lot. I guess my tolerance for food additives has plummeted since I switched to eating mostly steamed veggies. They're easy to fix, that's all. I won't even mention what happened the last time I ate corned beef. (Oops. Too late.) ",sci.med 345," ( I AGREE ! ) I think the problem here is that Mrs. Reno strikes me ( After watching NightLine Last night ) as a person who is incapable of understanding OR dealing with a great number of things. ",talk.politics.misc 346,"The following comics are for auction. The highest bid takes them! TITLE Minimum/Current -------------------------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel) $ 5.00 Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988) $20.00/KrisM./SOLD Amazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin) $20.00 Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin) $50.00 Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton) $ 7.50 Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor) $ 3.50 Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster) $ 5.00/Same/THREE CyberRad 1 (Reintro CyberRad, Prestige silver edition) $15.00 Daredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins) $35.00 Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing) $ 7.50 Detective 657 (Azrael appears, Intro Cypher) $ 5.00 Detective 658 (Azrael appears) $ 4.00 Harbinger 10 (1st appearance H.A.R.D. Corps) $ 7.00/B.Matthey/SOLD H.A.R.D. Corps 1 $ 5.00 Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1 1962) $ 7.00 Incredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue) $15.00 Incredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins) $11.00 Incredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk) $15.00 Incredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00 Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer) $ 7.50 Marvel Presents (Charleston Chew giveaway, Sam Keith) $ 5.00 Maxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover) $33.50/BrentB/SOLD Mr T. #1 (Signed Advance copy, 10,000 exist) $10.00 New Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo) $10.00 New Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force) $ 5.00 New Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants) $10.00 Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo) $ 7.50 Omega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story) $ 7.50 Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth) $20.00 Power Man & Iron Fist 84 (4th appearance Sabretooth) $15.00 Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.) $ 7.50 Spectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin) $12.50 Spider-Man Special (UNICEF giveaway, vs Venom) $10.00 Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini) $ 7.50 Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics) $ 7.50 Trianglehead #1 (Special limited edition, autographed) $ 5.00 Web of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear) $10.00 Web of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears) $ 7.50 Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth) $15.00 Wolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad) $ 5.00 Wolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad) $ 3.50 Wolverine 43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes) $ 3.00 Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art) $20.00 Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man) $12.50 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card) $20.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card) $10.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon) $10.00 All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards. Shipping is $1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order a large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle. I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what you've been looking for, and maybe I can help. Some titles I have posted here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.",misc.forsale 347," This is something I've always found a little curious. I've never quite understood the trinity thing. On the one hand, Jesus is supposed to be God incarnate. But, at the same time, he is God's son ""For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son"". First question is, if Jesus was God in human form, how could he really be God's son? If the Holy Ghost ""planted the seed"" in Mary, so to speak, then it seems that Jesus' relationship to God would be the equivalent to the human father/son relationship. While a son might inherit alot of the father's qualities, he is not the father. They are still two separite entities. To try and say that a son is the same person as the father is obviously wrong. In that case, Jesus and God aren't the same. On the other hand, if their relationship isn't the same as the human father/son relationship, but Jesus is actually God incarnate, then he's not really God's son and he never was. He's just God manifesting himself as Jesus. At least, this is how I'm seeing it. Can someone who is more knowledgeable about the trinity enlighten us? Getting back to the original question, what is the great price that Jesus paid to redeem our sins? Was it dying on the cross? Since Jesus knew that he would rise again in 3 days and then ascend back to heaven, I have a hard time seeing how this is considered paying such a great price for humanity. His earthly body may have been killed, but then, so what? He suffered a few hours of physical pain, but then, there has been many a human who has suffered a great deal more. The fact that Jesus was God's only begotten son doesn't seem to me to have much meaning since God can beget as many sons as he wants to. Jesus being the only one was simply a matter of choice. I suspect that these questions will be very offensive to many Christians on this net. To those people, please accept my sincere apologies. It is not my intention to offend or to trivialize Christ. But, I do believe these are legitimate questions and I am genuinely curious. [Note that the Trinity and Incarnation have to be looked at together. First, your reading of the Virgin Birth is an uncommon one. (In this group, it's dangerous to say that no one believes something.) You seem to be suggesting the Jesus is God's son in a physical sense, with the Holy Spirit as Father and Mary as Mother. I consider that terrible heresy, though some people react less violently. The Virgin Birth says that Jesus' birth is God's responsibility. But it doesn't imply that God's sperm was involved. Indeed one (though by no means the only) speculation is that God used Joseph's genetic material. Second, Jesus is in some sense doubly indirect from the Father. In a Trinitarian context, the term Son refers to the eternal Logos, who is a part of God. The Son didn't come into existence with Jesus' birth. Jesus is the incarnation of the Son. So his sonness isn't specifically a result of being incarnated. Rather, it's the Son who was incarnated.",soc.religion.christian 348," This was a concession to Mansbridge and CBC News, they argued that if you're going to play havoc with the schedule, you should at least make sure that Prime Time is aired as soon as possible. News got a commitment that the post-game show would be scrapped and that the network would go to PTN within one minute or so of the game ending. As for the earlier comments about CBC being ""Ontariocentric"" frankly the no doubleheader decison goes both ways, people in the West cant see the Leafs and people in Central Canada can't see the Jets game. The reason for the decision was CBC's feeling they couldn't sell advertising for six hours of hockey in one night. As for who wants to see news over hockey, a lot of people. CBC always gets plenty of complaints about juggling the news schedule. ",rec.sport.hockey 349,"I'm looking for recommendations for a laser printer. It will be used mostly for text by a single user. It doesn't need to be a postscript printer. Any advice would be appreciated. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 350," Charlie Brett's suggestion -- buy one of the disposable flash cameras, use the film, then take the thing apart -- is a good one. Note, though, that you won't get a particularly precise voltage out of such a thing, and it may be a single-point design that won't adapt well to off-nominal operation. The things are easy to dismantle. The key piece of information is that when you advance the film on one of them, you are winding it *into* the film cassette -- it is unwound from the cassette in the factory, when the camera is made. So no darkroom is needed for dismantling. It's standard film, so just take the cassette in for processing. All the camera-store people do when you bring in one of the disposables is rip it apart, toss the film cassette into the to-be-processed bin, and throw the battery in one trashcan and the rest of the camera in another. If you take it apart yourself, you get an AA alkaline battery (still with a fair bit of life in it) and all kinds of little bits and pieces from the camera. I expect you could even re-load and re-use the camera if you were really determined.",sci.electronics 351," Well, they never should have gotten into this situation. Look at the history of this group. David Koresh has been arrested ?twice? by local police. Both times, he accepted the arrest warrant and went peacefully. So, the feds decide to arrest him. How do they choose to arrest a person with a record of peaceful obedience under arrest? They throw a concussion grenades at his building. In addition, we KNOW that we've been lied to. Initially, we were told that they suspected him of molesting children and having several wives. But these are NOT ATF offenses, were they? So they changed their story, several times. And the original warrant is STILL sealed. And we were told about the rockets and ammunition they had... but did anyone notice any ammo exploding in the fire? They claimed that Koresh hadn't left the compound in months... but people in town report seeing him just a week before the raid. How would I have handled it differently? Well, first, I haven't seen any evidence that the BDs did anything wrong. There's a sealed warrant, and a collection of stories which keep changing about what they did. So I might not have done ANYTHING. OK. Now, supposing that I know what the BDs are being arrested for. Well, they've got a history of accepting arrests... so, I send officers to the door with a warrant. Wearing bulletproof vests. Covered from a distance by sharpshooters. Now, there's no good reason to suspect that these people will do anything, right? Why didn't anyone TRY serving a warrant? OK. Going further. They refuse the warrant. It becomes necessary to raid. You plan a raid. You hear an hour before that there was a leak, and they know your coming. SO what do you do? Well, change your plans, right? Nope... they go ahead with it anyone... including sending in unprotected men to break into the place. It was idiotic. I don't know what I would have ended up doing. But that original raid should NEVER have happened. The shit that came later should NEVER have happened. The full record of the raid should be released to the public to let us know what the hell really happened there. The lies should NEVER have been told. ",talk.politics.misc 352,"I am urgently looking for the following article, but I can't seem to find it anywhere here: ""The Multi-Threaded X Server"" John Allen Smith The X Resource Issue 1, pp. 73-89, Winter 1992 If anyone can tell me where to find it, it WILL be much appreciated. H.F. Sadie Departement of Computer Science University of Stellenbosch South Africa",comp.windows.x 353,": In article <1993Apr22.170418.15799@news.eng.convex.com> gardner@convex.com ...cascades elided to preserve our sanity.... : That wasn't my point. My point is that your implied position about the ""Waco : Massacre"" is an assertion cum political position. According to a CNN poll, .... : What you call the ""Big Brother Chip"" is right now a proposal under : discussion, and it is not yet clear that strong crypto is going to be : banned. Just to set the record straight, Steve Gardner was not the author of the bit you quoted--I was. Steve just took issue with David's characterization of my words as ""pernicious nonsense."" I won't further comment on my own views...folks either support 'em or they don't, and the lines in question were neither central to the points I was making in my original post nor to the important debate here in sci.crypt and elsewhere. -Tim May, who continues to hold the same views but doesn't feel like debating politics ",sci.crypt 354,": : >Recently my cousin got a second internal IDE drive (a Seagate 210MB, : >I can look up the model number if it's important) and I've been : >trying to help him install it. [I've got a vested interest, since : >my machine's busted and I have to use his until I get mine fixed.] : >He already has a Seagate 85MB IDE HD (again, I forget the model number : >but I can find out.) : : >Anyway, I can't seem to get the bloody thing up. I've managed to get : >one or the other drive up (with the other disconnected), but not both : >at the same time; whenever I try, the thing hangs during bootup - : >never gets past the system test. The IDE controller's instruction : >sheet says it supports two drives; I think I've configured the CMOS : >correctly; the power's plugged in properly; I even learned about the : >master/slave relationship that two HDs are supposed to have (didn't : >know PCs were into S&M! 8^) and I think I configured the jumpers : >properly (the 85MB one is the master, the new 210MB one is the slave). : [deleted] : : >Many, many thanks in advance! This is practically an emergency (I have : >two papers to do on this thing for Monday!)! Help! : >-- : >----------------------- : >William Barnes SURAnet Operations : >wbarnes@sura.net (301) 982-4600 voice (301) 982-4605 fax : >Disclaimer: I don't speak for SURAnet and they don't speak for me. : I've been told by our local computer guru that you can't do this unless you : perform a low level format on your existing hard drive and set your system : up for two hard drives from the beginning. I took him at his word, and I : have not tried to find out any more about it, because I'm not going to back : everything up just to add another HDD. If anyone knows for sure what the : scoop is, I would like to know also. Thanks in advance also. : : Bill Willis : 1. do not do a low level format on an IDE drive unless you have the executable for doing so supplied by the manufacturer. These are available from bbs's or mail but the mail version costs a nominal fee. 2. In addition to the master/slave jumper on an IDE drive there is also another jumper to indicate whether a slave is present. Get it right! 3. The cabling is not an issue as long as pin 1 goes to pin 1 goes to pin 1. No twisting or swapping on an IDE cable. Be sure of pin 1 on all three components - do not make assumptions (guesses are ok but assumptions are bad). 4. If the cable and jumpers are correct, and the CMOS setup is correct, then you may have to do an FDISK followed by a high level format. I have NEVER personally found this necesary, but perhaps there is something gone wrong with the data on the disks? Probably not but I understand your predicament - You will probably throw salt over your shoulders, wear funny clothes and do a spooky sounding chant while dancing around the room if someone said it might help. Good Luck",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 355," What??? I heard there was a new engine slated for the mustang...something like 280hp (ok, it was from one of their other lines...)... -- ",rec.autos 356,,None 357," WOW! Another Clayton wannabe. Typical response: lack of logic. Define 'deviant': someone who deviates from the normal. Ok, so far. Define 'normal': erm, umm. If you define yourself as normal then it is for you to prove that you are (within limits, which then brings in the question, what are the limits? For you we may have to broaden them to other's intolerance ;-) ) 'normal'. Difficult to prove. From what you have posted it must follow that `normal` to you means someone without compassion and a sense of justice. But it does look as if you went to the Clayton school of logic, doesn't it? Again an astounding lack of logic! Wow! You must define what you say such that everyone agrees. Here you have used the phrase ""sexual deviant"". How in the hell do you define that? As someone who does something sexually that _you_ don't? By this definition you most probably mean the majority of the planet. How do you know that your next door neighbour doesn't like custard to be spread over his genetalia then have it licked off by his wife? Is this sexual deviancy? How do we know that you don't like something sexually which others may find repulsive? Is having sex doggy fashion a sexual deviancy? Please be more specific, and where you do, back up your claims. Or I may have to go to hospital due to laughing too much at yours and Clayton's postings. Secondly, if we assume for the moment that the phrase 'sexual deviant' means such people as homosexuals, bisexuals &c. (basically everyone you don't like), I think that your phrase ""do not comprise a `political minorit[y]`"" (why the brackets?) is a non-sequiteur. Gay groups exist which lobby their governments. That is a fact. Prove it false. Hence they are a politial group. You state that they are not a political minority. Are they therefore a political majority? I think you boobed really big on this one. Try thinking about your arguments. Prove the first statement please. Dates, phone numbers, &c. Again your logic fails. Again you make statements which you cannot (and most probably will not) maintain. You state that a person (girl, in this context) who considers equal rights for all humans to be an airhead? As Clayton (your best mate?) would say: it just shows how screwed up you are. Proof please. Proof that homosexuality is not part of the natural order. Proof that nature has always asserted itself. Are you saying that nature is a conciousness? Are you pretending that you have the ability to see the future? Are you god(tm)? In fact, by your arguement, are you waiting for the black people to become slaves again? Because they were reviled as sub-human (nb: *not* my view) at one time? Again your arguement falls on its ass. Touchy touchy touchy! Right. I have shot holes in each and every one of your arguements. You are most probably going to put me in your kill file because you have no answers to my questions and challenges. Since you cannot support your arguments it merely goes to show that what you write is based upon your personal prejudices, and cannot be taken to be fact of any kind. I await an intelligent response..... ",talk.politics.misc 358," mark> *WE* are the ones in control of what we use. It is those who mark> follow like blind sheep which cause the markets to skew. I'm sure mark> there will be enough ""paid market hipe NT conferences"" without it mark> needing to be in what was once a conference for open windowing mark> enviroments. I know that if I were planning to go I would cancel. mark> NOT because I have my eyes closed, but because NT does not belong mark> at such a conference. I would, however, like to go to a CLOSED mark> environment NT conference to see the product because I am curious. mark> I doubt, however, based on the objective opinions of those I trust, mark> that I would be impressed. -- Why do many (?) people believe that Xhibition '93 is one of the ""paid market hype NT conferences"" (as you put it)? I for one am going, because I, too, am curious about the technology. I think this is a great chance to learn about NT, mainly because: - It will be presented in X's ""home turf"". I believe that the attendees will mostly have X backgrounds (biases? :-); thus, I expect that the NT presentations will face a tough audience. - I can be there in person to judge for myself whether or not NT is what it is hyped to be. This is as closely as I can get to in evaluating the NT technology without actually using it myself, which I don't have the time to do. - If NT turns out to be a vapor technology and I get bored, there will be many other interesting tutorials/presentations that I won't have to waste my time ... in California?!? :-) Just my thoughts... --",comp.windows.x 359,"... I have seen it used in an Orthodox church once, although I can't recall why. I found it odd, to say the least. Also, I object to the statement that the Orthodox DELETE the filioque from the original form of the Creed. The creed originally did NOT contain that phrase, and it is not present in the Greek original, which hangs by my desk. Not intending to start a flame war. We didn't need to delete what wasn't there. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ",soc.religion.christian 360,"RIDING""? >> Here in Louisiana the State Sign is ""CAUTION - SUB-STANDARD ROADWAY"". ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----",rec.motorcycles 361,"Wm Hathaway comments; I agree that the desire for beauty is valid, but I think your desire to impose your vision of beauty is not. You mention the age-old desire to somehow get up there, but ignore the beauty of the actual achievment of that vision. You mention the beauty of a very dark sky, not impeded by the effects of humans, but ignore the beauty of the as-dark-as-can-be sky that is only visible from space, a vision that we, or at least, our descendents, may one day be able to see, in part, because of efforts that others call ugly. One day, I hope, humans will be able to look out, not upon half the heavens, with only nature-creted lights, but upon all of the heavens, with no lights. If advertising in space can help us reach that goal, it is no less beautiful for the way we reach it, than the 'pristine' sky of yesteryear (or yester-century), which is totally unreachable. One of the original conceptions of beauty in wetsern sculpture was a human form, in the effort of striving to reach a goal. I don't think there's any reason to believe that modernity has changed that, just because it has changed the way we strive. BTW, there are places that people haven't fouled. Sometimes they make it better. -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows.",sci.space 362,"Ok, so in my ongoing search for a sport utility, here's the latest; Toyota 4runner: Small. Small Small Small. The interior of this vehical is impossible for a large person. Too bad; it would have been the winner otherwise. Nissan Pathfinder: Very low ceiling. My head hit the roof, Fun on bumps, no? Also has a cheap-looking interior. Isuzu Trooper: Class act. This is a really, really nice vehical. Very comfortable, handled ok. Has really cool grab handles EVERYWHERE. But it's huge, and the engine is a bit too small for it's bulk; also the manual shift is weird and kind of awkward. I'd buy this if it were $3k cheaper or 10"" shorter. But at this size and for this price, no. I kept picturing trying to park in in San Francisco. No Thanks. Chevy Blazer: Cheap looking. Small. Not as small as the Toyota and Nissan, but still too small. Ford Explorer: This is no sports car, and it's certainly not for the serious off roader. But it's big enough to be comfortable without being as huge and heavy as the trooper. It's engine has plenty of power for everyday driving, though it would be nice if it had a *bit* more. The automatic tranny is pretty nice; head and shoulders above my '90 mazda MPV. The steering is not as tight as I'd like, but it's acceptable. The two door has easy-to-enter back seats (Easier to get into, in fact, than the driver's seat of the 4runner!) and with a 10"" shorter wheelbase and the easier availability of a manual tranny, (Yes, I'm a manual shift biggot, I admit it...) it's the one I'm thinking of buying. So, that said, is there anyone out there who has one of these and hates it? Anyone had any major problems? Heard any horror stories? Also, any reason to buy the ford over the mazda Navajo, both being essentially the same vehical? Thanks- -Karl",rec.autos 363,"How did the Leafs turn it around??? I couldn't get the Leaf games on the weekend in CA. Did the Leaf defense wise up overnight? Did the Leafs get in the slot or was it just ""fluke"" goals in a goalie duel? Did the Wings turn off the jets or muscle? What gives here? I caught game 1 on satellite. I figured my Leafs were washed. This is a _major_ turnaround. Very few predicted this. How, how, how did it happen? Wing and Leaf perspectives welcomed! ",rec.sport.hockey 364,"I just got a bug report and a fix for this exact problem from fisher@iscp.bellcore.com (Greg Fisher): He isolated the problem a proposed a workaround which seems precisely correct. Here is the new implementation of XmpTableNewProposedLayout which will be released with the next update in 5 weeks: Xmp/Table.c: void XmpTableNewProposedLayout( tw ) XmpTableWidget tw; { XmpTableConsiderSameSize( tw ); XmpTableProposedColsAndRows( tw ); XmpTableQueryParentForResize( tw ); /* query only, no resize */ /* * Since we only made a query, we *should* still need to continue. * However, Motif is broken so that we actually may already have * been resized. In that case, the proposed layout is already * forgotten, so we should just quietly exit. */ if ( tw->table.resize_status == RSdueToRequest ) { XmpTableMakeColsFitQueryWidth( tw ); XmpTableMakeRowsFitQueryHeight( tw ); XmpTableGetProposedChildSize( tw ); XmpTableSaveProposedLayout( tw ); } /* else the resize has already been done. Our proposed layout would * have been forgotten in the process. */ } The XpTable the fix is identical, except of course for the names: Xp/Table.c: void XpTableNewProposedLayout( tw ) XpTableWidget tw; { XpTableConsiderSameSize( tw ); XpTableProposedColsAndRows( tw ); XpTableQueryParentForResize( tw ); /* query only, no resize */ /* * Since we only made a query, we *should* still need to continue. * However, some manager widgets are broken so that we actually may * already have * been resized. In that case, the proposed layout * is already forgotten, so we should just quietly exit. */ if ( tw->table.resize_status == RSdueToRequest ) { XpTableMakeColsFitQueryWidth( tw ); XpTableMakeRowsFitQueryHeight( tw ); XpTableGetProposedChildSize( tw ); XpTableSaveProposedLayout( tw ); } /* else the resize has already been done. Our proposed layout would * have been forgotten in the process. */ } ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Smyth david@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov Senior Software Engineer, (818)306-6193 (do NOT use v-mail yet!) CCCP, X and Object Guru. office: 525/C165 Jet Propulsion Lab, M/S 525-3660 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""That Sun Windows thingy, what's it called? You know, its really awful. X? Motif? That's it - Motif! Yuck!""",comp.windows.x 365," I once heard an arguement from a xtian friend similar to this. ""Christianity is a Higher Logic. Athiest like u will not be able to understand it. Your atheist logic is very low. Only thru faith can we understand the Higher Logic in God"". So I asked him, ""So what is this Higher Logic?"" His answer, ""I don't know."" This, & the posting above highlights one of the worst things about xtainity. It is abundantly clear to both atheists & xtains that their believe is both illogical & irrational. Their tactics, therefore: to disregard logic & rationality altogether. Silly excuses such as the ones above and those such as, ""How can u trust science, science was invented by man!"", only goes to further show the weakness of their religion. In my country where xtainity was and still is rapidly growing, xtains never try to convert people by appealing to their brains or senses. They know it would be a fruitless act, given the irrational nature of their faith. They would wait until a person is in distress, then they would comfort him/her and addict them to their emotional opium. Never in my life had I met a person who converted to xtainity coz it's ""reasonable"". Rationality has no place in xtainity (see xtian arguement against ""reason"" above). -- The UnEnlightened One ------------------+-------------------------------------------------------- | Tan Chade Meng | The wise man tells his wife that he understands her. Singapore | cmtan@iss.nus.sg | The fool tries to prove it. | ------------------+-------------------------------------------------------- --",alt.atheism 366,"Does anyone know where I can find a code which would take concave polygons and break them up into a set of convex polygons? Thanks,",comp.graphics 367," A quick search of the index at mac.archive.umich.edu shows the following as available by anonymous ftp from that site: /mac/util/developer/diagnosticsoundsampler.hqx 9 7/24/90 BinHex4.0 That ""chord"" you hear when you push the start-up on your Mac II means more than just ""I'm on"". it's passed it's internal test. This utility explains what the various sounds stand for (i.e. various stages of ram testing...) ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 368," Could an atheist accept a usage in which religious literature or tradition is viewed in a metaphorical way? Of course: this is essentially what we do with Homer, or with other concepts such as fate, luck, free will ;-)... However, there remains the question of whether the religious literature of -- say -- Christianity is a particularly *good* set of metaphors for the world today. It's also entirely unclear, and to me quite unlikely, that one could take a contemporary religion like that and divorce the metaphoric potential from the literalism and absolutism it carries now in many cases.",alt.atheism 369,"********** Hitachi CD player (needs cd spin motor) $30 shipped JoYSTICKS.. an IBM/apple joystick three fire buttons apple joy stick (//c //e) kraft track ball make offers.. coleco vision items: two working Consoles w/ working controllers in great shape one roller ball controller two Super ACtion conrollers one 'standard' joystick games: SA baseball SA rocky SA football VIc 20 and C64 with powersupplies and RF modulators... make an offer Vic20 Catridges: Raid on Fort Knox - Omega Race ****** Early 80's Epiphone Acoustic guitar spruce top.. mohogany back, sides and neck adjustable bridge, plays very nice small hole in side for jack (had a pickup at one time) $175 + shipping ****** Yamaha CS-5 ANalog synthesizer Three octave keyboard VCO - single oscillator range from 64' to 2' Tone sources - Saw tooth, square, noise and external sound VCA - can be modulated VCF - Cut off, resonance, LFO MOD, envelope generator depth pitch bend slider, CV in and out, trigger in and out, external tone source in... the keyboard is in perfect working order and is colored black and white $150 + shipping ********** DRUM stuff.. North heavy Duty hi hat stand $45 older stand... but definately in working shape.. could use a little clean up. comes with clutch and felts, etc.. Pearl bass drum pedal with felt beater $20 honer cymbal stand $15 (needs some work on cymbal stem) Zildjian 20"" Ride cymbal $55 main line zildjian... older ride cymbal Ludwig snare stand $10 okay snare stand.. NOT like a remo though ;) shipping extra.. please email if you have questions about anything, please email me ",misc.forsale 370," James Madison, Federalist Paper 41: ""It has been urged and echoed, that the power ``to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,'' amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare... ""No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction. Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; ... But what color can the objection have, when a specification of the objects alluded to by these general terms immediately follows, and is not even separated by a longer pause than a semicolon? ... Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars. -- ",talk.politics.misc 371," On a related note (since UPS lost my Chain Wax and I'm still using PJ-1/Goo), I found some great stuff to clean chain spooge of wheels. It's called Goo Gone and cleaned the spooge off my rear wheel faster than the Simple Green cleaned the bug guts off my headlight. Wonderful stuff. I recommend that we officially delcare it a DoD Wonder Spooge (tm) product. ",rec.motorcycles 372," None of the SUNs, DECs, or RS6000s I've used have turned off the monitor automatically. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 373," >there's no problem. The Feds don't care whose phone instrument is used, just >that the conversation is by the suspect on the tapped line. They get the >serial number, get the keys, and they are in business. So, you admit that Clipper opens the doors wide for the following scenario: FEDS: We need the keys to Joe Blow's phone. ESCROW AGENT: Joe Blow? You have a warrant to tap his line? FEDS: Well, no, but we have a warrant to tap Carlos ""Slime-Devil"" Gonzales' line, and our tap shows that Mr. Gonzales is using Mr. Blow's phone.",sci.crypt 374,"Yesterday, a friend of mine got a new driver for his card that more than doubled the speed... Naturally, besides being a tad jealous (same machine -- different cards), it got me thinking... What if I am using a slow driver? Wouldn't that be _horrible_ ? :) So netlanders, I need samples of your collective experience (sic) -- Do you proud owners of a Trident 8900C video card w/ 1MB VRAM have tried out more than one driver fro MS Win 3.1 which? which is the fastest? Not to be selfish, and to give you a motive for responding, I promise I am going to collect all the answers, and the actual drivers (provided u give me a site to get it from or uuencode&mail) get the WinMarks using PC Magazine`s WinBENCH and... post the results here... I am interested in SVGA drivers only (plain VGA users should run the Win driver, or this is what I 've heard -- dont flame me!) Particularly 800x600x16 and/or 800x600x256 (that should cover the majority of SVGA users) Well, what are you waiting for? hit that r or f or whatever... All input welcome -- so are money and Sun SPARCstations... Thanx in advance... ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 375," Fine. I'll buy from George. GEORGEEE!!!! That assumes I can't weasel out a cooperative venture of some sort (cut me a break on the launcher, I'll cut you in on the proceeds if it works). Only the government pays higher-than-list price. Unless you're Martin Marietta, since (as I recall) they bought out the GD line of aerospace products. If MM/GD does it as an in-house project, their costs would look much better than buying at ""list price."" Does anyone REALLY know the profit margins built in to the Titan? C'mon. Allen is telling us how cheap we can get improved this or that... Oh please. How much of a profit do you want? Pulling $100-150 million after all is said and done wouldn't be too shabby. Not to mention the other goodies I'll collect in: a) Movie & TV rights (say $100-150 million conservatively) b) Advertising (""Look Mommie, they're drinking Coke!"") c) Intangibles (Name recognization, experience & data acculumated) If you want lean, fine. A $500 million prize would be more than adequate for a prize. Maybe Wales would be kind enough to define what a company would consider a decent profit. If you want R&D done, you'll have to write in R&D clauses. I suppose you could make it a SBIR set-aside :) ",sci.space 376,"I am looking for a copy of the first World Wrestling Federation album in Record format. Will pay $10 for a good condition record and original album jacket and inserts. The album I am looking for has a picture of a bunch of the wrestlers ina recording studio front and back with the good guy wrestlers and the bad guy wrestlers making faces at each other. Songs include 'Land of a thousand dances"" or something like that.",misc.forsale 377," I'll leave questions 1 and 2 to be answered elsewhere, but on question 3) something in the noos today might be an example of the restoration might be. Namely, that the Clinton Administration is considering asking the UN to establish a police force for Haiti. I didn't hear any thing that said that the current Govt. of Haiti asked for it, nor is there any real precedent (barring Somalia) for the UN getting involved in internal conflicts. That might also answer question 2). The neo-colonial countries are a diffuse lot - the UN (Security Council). And while I am at it, I'll take a stab at 1) - the new colonialism, as defined in most articles I have read, would entail something of the nature of Trusteeship under the UN Sec. Council, democracy, aid, education, free-markets, free press and then out for the colonialists, now assured that there is a ""civilized"" country that they have left behind. Note I don't support this idealized concept, simply because I think it is a lot of hogwash. -- Srinivas Sunder sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu If The University of Illinois shares these views, I'd be surprised. They aren't that smart generally -:).",talk.politics.mideast 378," The major problem with this analysis is that it ignores age. Even if Morris were performing as well as Clemens right now, and were likely to this season, nobody would trade Clemens for Morris straight up because Clemens has more of his career left.",rec.sport.baseball 379,"Here are the standings after game 2 of each of the divisional semi-final series. - Andrew USENET Hockey Playoff Draft Standings Posn Team Pts Rem Last Posn 1. Sneddon Scorers 77 25 (1) 2. Arctic Circles 75 25 (75) Northern Lights 75 25 (33) Threepeat 75 25 (19) 5. fighting amish 74 25 (161) Team Elvis 74 25 (11) 7. chris roney 73 25 (33) Myers Marauders 73 25 (--) the dead ducks 73 25 (11) 10. Les Poteux 72 25 (--) Sludge 72 25 (75) Paige Faults 72 25 (33) Sam & His Dogs 72 25 (33) The Borg 72 25 (2) Hurricane Andrew 72 25 (4) Lewey's Lakers 72 25 (102) Einstien's Punk Band 72 25 (9) 18. Homesick Hawaiian 71 25 (4) Test Department 71 25 (11) Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 71 25 (127) Mopar Muscle Men 71 25 (33) Jerky Boys 71 24 (4) GB Flyers 71 25 (19) 24. Neural Netters 70 25 (102) give you money monday 70 25 (9) Bill McGreer 70 25 (--) Fugazi 70 25 (33) Detroit Homeboy 70 25 (11) Bloom County All-Stars 70 25 (54) DehraDun Maawalis 70 25 (75) 31. Great Expectations 69 25 (4) PURDUE RICKS PENS 69 25 (19) 33. frank's little wankers 68 25 (33) Jan Stein 68 25 (33) Allez les Blues 68 25 (--) Goaldingers 68 25 (75) suds 68 25 (19) weenies 68 25 (33) A.P. BURY 68 25 (19) Bruce's Rented Mules 68 25 (4) 41. Mind Sweepers 67 25 (33) Mike Burger 67 25 (11) Go Flames 67 25 (--) garryola 67 25 (33) The Mulberry Maulers 67 25 (75) LIPPE 67 25 (102) Flamming Senators 67 25 (19) Big Bay Bombers 67 25 (102) Milton Keynes Kings 67 25 (33) 50. Seppo Kemppainen 66 25 (19) Freddy Beach Rockets 66 25 (--) The Campi Machine 66 25 (19) j's rock'em sock'ems 66 25 (75) Sean Forbes 66 25 (19) Tapio Repo 66 25 (11) zachmans wingers 66 25 (19) Zipper Heads 66 25 (11) Canadian Gladiators 66 25 (75) 59. Teem Kanada 65 25 (33) New Zealand Leafs 65 25 (54) Tiger Chung Lees 65 25 (54) Rangers Of Destiny 65 25 (33) make beliefs 65 25 (54) Dave Wessels 65 25 (2) Norway Killerwhales 65 25 (54) 66. Force 25 64 25 (75) trevor's triumph 64 25 (75) Commitments 64 25 (141) Skate or Die 64 25 (19) Dog's Hog's 64 25 (33) Delaware Destroyers 64 25 (33) Craig team 64 25 (11) Rangers Blow 64 25 (54) Debbie Bowles 64 25 (19) Mak Paranjape 64 25 (141) Comfortably Numb 64 25 (127) Loaded Weapons 64 25 (54) Rob Del Mundo 64 25 (54) Robarts Research Rebels 64 25 (54) Fuzzfaces Galore 64 25 (19) Houdini's Magicians 64 25 (54) La Coupe Stainless 64 25 (141) 83. Cluster Buster 63 25 (33) Lets Go Pandas 63 25 (102) Tequila Shooters 63 25 (141) Steves Superstars 63 25 (102) Reksa fans of Oulu 63 25 (127) Habs Playing Golf 63 25 (75) Chris Stevens 63 25 (--) On Thin Ice 63 25 (102) Oakville Brothers 63 25 (33) Jason team 63 25 (102) smithw 63 25 (102) 94. Anson Mak 62 25 (173) Skriko Wolves 62 25 (102) all the kane's men 62 25 (75) Danielle Leblanc 62 25 (127) Team Awesome 62 25 (19) weasels 62 25 (141) Alf's All-Stars 62 25 (75) Zippety Doodah 62 25 (75) Kramer George and Jerry 62 25 (75) Rev's Rebels 62 25 (75) Yan Loke 62 25 (75) Lamp Lighters 62 25 (102) littlest giants 62 25 (75) Mr Creosote 62 25 (75) 108. oceanweavers 61 25 (161) Great Scott 61 25 (141) Bobby Schmautz Fan Club 61 25 (127) IceMachine 61 25 (102) Hat Trick Mike 61 25 (--) The promise land 61 25 (33) Daves knee jerk picks 61 25 (102) Doug Bowles 61 25 (102) Holsteins SFB 61 25 (54) Lemon Pepper Grizzly Bears 61 25 (54) Flying pigs 61 25 (127) Les Raisins 61 25 (102) RENEB 61 25 (102) Gilles Carmel 61 25 (102) 122. Boops Bets 60 25 (127) Timo Ojala 60 25 (127) Rednecks from Hockey Hell 60 25 (33) gee man 60 25 (127) FRACK ATTACK 60 25 (54) triple X 60 25 (127) Ulfie's 16 brothers 60 25 (--) buffalo soldiers 60 25 (54) Shigella 60 25 (102) Ottawa Bearcats 60 25 (127) Whiters 60 25 (141) Monica Loke 60 25 (102) Lance Hill The Boston Bruins Fa 60 25 (33) 135. Mann Mariners 59 24 (141) New Jersey Rob 59 25 (102) Frasses Faceplants 59 25 (141) Doug Mraz 59 25 (102) Muller n Walker 59 25 (54) High Stickers 59 25 (141) Legzryx 59 25 (161) Beer Makes Me An Expert 59 25 (75) Gail Hiebert 59 25 (127) Dean Martin 59 25 (161) 145. marcs maulers 58 25 (127) brians bloodletters 58 25 (75) Van Isle Colonists 58 25 (141) Charlie Cook 58 25 (--) Bjorkloven 58 25 (54) Schott Shooters 58 25 (102) Bjoern Leaguen 58 25 (75) The Eradicators 58 25 (141) Lord Stanley's Favourites 58 25 (141) But Wait Theres more 58 25 (127) Stacey Ross 58 25 (141) 156. Heikki Salmi 57 25 (54) The Ice Kickers 57 25 (75) Chapman Chaps 57 25 (161) The ^&#@$#$% Rangers of 1940 57 25 (54) The Underwriters 57 25 (54) beam team 57 25 (176) Dave Hiebert 57 25 (75) Canuck Force 57 25 (176) Evan Pritchard 57 25 (161) Controversy Warriors 57 25 (54) JFZ Dream Team 57 25 (141) 167. San Jose Mahi Mahi 56 25 (141) go go gagit 56 25 (161) goddess of fermentation 56 25 (54) bure's blur 56 25 (141) Louisiana Psycho Killers 56 25 (141) East City Jokers 56 25 (102) Tampere Salami 56 25 (176) JOE'S A CRAK HEAD 56 25 (102) Grant Marven 56 25 (75) Mark And Steve Dreaming Again 56 25 (75) Pens Dynasty 56 25 (161) 178. Chip n Dale 55 25 (189) 179. Cherry Bombers 54 25 (161) Brian Bergman 54 25 (189) The Goobmeister 54 25 (75) Oz 54 25 (141) Arm & Hammer 54 25 (161) gax goons 54 25 (176) Daryl Turner 54 25 (102) 186. E.I.S 53 25 (141) BOSSE 53 25 (75) Myllypuro Hedgehogs 53 25 (161) Chapman Sticks 53 25 (176) Hillside Raiders 53 25 (185) Knights on a Power Play 53 25 (173) 192. Eldoret Elephants 52 25 (185) Sparky's Select 52 25 (176) Sluggo's Hosers 52 25 (173) butt ends 52 25 (176) 196. lisa's luggers 51 25 (197) Stanias Stars 51 25 (161) 198. Ken De Cruyenaere 49 25 (176) 199. Gary Shiff 48 25 (--) 200. JUKURIT 47 25 (176) 201. Montys Nords 45 25 (192) Jane's World 45 25 (185) Rolaids Required 45 25 (189) Martin's Gag 45 25 (194) 205. Equipe Du Jour 44 25 (196) 206. Arsenal Maple Leafs 41 18 (194) the ALarmers 41 25 (185) 208. Killer Kings 38 25 (192) -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253",rec.sport.hockey 380," > I'm wondering if I can tote my American touch tone phone around with me > to Sweden and Germany. It's DC powered, and I can buy a special adapter > for that in Europe. The question is if the general electronics work > the same. I can buy a different wall plug and refit it (I'm sure I'd > have to), but would that do the trick? Two things to watch for: In Germany (and I think the same holds for Sweden) only some of the connections can handle tone dialing, so make sure the phone can be set to pulse dialing. Most (if not virtually all) swedish exchanges can handle tone dialling. Many older electromechanical exchanges have been modified accept tone dialling.",sci.electronics 381," Wayne: Look for these advertised in sailboat supplies catalogs and sail-related magazines (eg. SAIL ...).",sci.electronics 382," Secaris is reasonably inexpensive ($6.00 Cdn for a tube), and is indeed an over the counter medication. Why it does not appear to be available in the US, I don't know. It's manufactured in Montreal. It's a nasal lubricant, and is intended to help nosebleeds that result from dry mucous membranes. From some of the replies to my original posting, it's evident that some people do not secrete enough mucous to keep their nose lining protected from environmental influences (ie, dry air). But I've had no responses from anyone with experience with Rutin. Is there another newsgroup that might have specifics on herbal remedies? But thanks to all those who did reply with their experiences.",sci.med 383,"I went to a place called American Car Care Centers to check my car for A/C leak. After ""checking"", I was told that there is a leak in the compressor seal. At the end, in addition to the labor for the check, I was charged 12 dollars for a pound of freon, although they evacuated my A/C afterwards because of the leak. First, is it fair for him to charge me for a pound of freon ($12 plus tax) ? Second, what can I do about this if this is unfair ?",rec.autos 384,"Seeking North Carolina beach rental. Desire house for two families (4 adults, 3 kids) for one week in late June/early July. ",misc.forsale 385,"THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 20, 1993 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT IN PHOTO OPPORTUNITY WITH VACLAV HAVEL The Oval Office 5:00 P.M. EDT Q Mr. President, President Havel is here for the Holocaust Museum opening, and you toured the museum last night. All this focus on the Holocaust, how does that weigh on your decision- making process as far as Bosnia is concerned? THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think the Holocaust is the most extreme example the world has ever known of ethnic cleansing. And I think that even in its more limited manifestations, it's an idea that should be opposed. You couldn't help thinking about that. That's not to compare the two examples. They're not identical; everyone knows that. But I think that the United States should always seek an opportunity to stand up against -- at least to speak out against inhumanity. Q Sir, how close are you to a decision on more sanctions on Bosnia? THE PRESIDENT: Well, of course, we've got the U.N. vote. Ambassador Albright was instrumental in the U.N. vote to strengthen the sanctions and they are quite tough. And we now are putting our heads at the business of implementing them and looking at what other options we ought to consider. And I don't have anything else to say, except to tell you that I spent quite a bit of time on it and will continue to over the next several days. Q Following your meeting today, sir, are you any closer to some sort of U.S. military presence there? THE PRESIDENT: I have not made any decisions. * * * Q President Clinton, why have you decided to meet with Mr. Havel? THE PRESIDENT: Well, I'm just honored that he would come and see me. I'm glad he's here in the United States for the dedication of the Holocaust Museum. He is a figure widely admired in our country and around the world, and a very important person in Europe, and a very important person to the United States. So I'm hoping that we'll have a chance to talk about the new Czech republic and what kinds of things we can do together to support the causes we believe in.",talk.politics.misc 386,"Thanks for the responses so far. I hope that I have sparked some thought (which is more my intent than to restart one of the Reformations). I'm just going to tug on two threads: In Message-ID: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes, I was simply observing that as a non-Jew, I am not in that community which might be bound by such a decision (I don't know much about the Council of Jamnia, but I have heard that it is not well-attested historically). 'Faithless' has nothing to do with it, and I prefer not to speculate about motives. I wish the Dialogue_with_Trypho were a real transcript of a real dialogue,, but I think it a fictional effect on Justin's part. Putting that to one side, Justin's point may be evidential; one would want to know- 'which books?' Perhaps the reformers were traveling in all the light (MS evidence) they had. Let's stick to the issues. Again, I prefer not to speculate about motives. One would need quotes from Luther, Calvin, etc. to evidence this 'preference'. ----- In Message-ID: wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner) Is this the principle: 'Any (BC) text not quoted by Christ cannot be counted as Scripture' ? Think well about this- Job, Ruth...? These is a logically invalid *a priori*. Besides, we are talking about OT texts- which in many parts are superceded by the NT (in the Xtian view). Would not this same principle exclude _Ecclesiastes_? This principle cannot be consistently applied. Dave W. answers: Meaning what? Do you affirm the principle (that the D.c's can be excluded since they contain 'false doctrine') or do you deny it? If affirmed (as is implied in your statement) how does one determine that doctrine X is false? Do you affirm every teaching in _Ecclesiastes_? If so, it may be a test that cannot be applied. The Orthodox faithfully believe that Psalm 151 is canonical. How can my faith say 'Not!' ? All I hear here is the *a priori* I mentioned before. This is contrary to fact. Can this be elevated to a principle? How is 'spiritual quality' measured? I'll take the 'spiritual quality' of most of Sirach over Joshua or Chronicles, any day. What can I say? You believe what you believe- I'm asking for a consistency check. I don't see that the books were added- in any construction this formulation begs the question. No one can validly ask me to 'have faith' that these books are noncanonical. Dave Davis, ddavis@ma30.bull.com These are my opinions & activities alone QOTD:",soc.religion.christian 387,"Well, You can always try and find a PC dealer who sells guaranteed memory. I work at a company growing at 40% a year, we have on order hundreds of computers per year. It never fails, machines come in with BAD SIMMS. Now for those of you who are wondering just WHY your PC or MAC just crashed I can tell you I always thought it was the incompetent ass who wrote or designed the software. Well, I don't think that way anymore, especially with the results I have gotten with replacing BAD SIMMS in my own machine and others at work. The moral to this story is to MAKE SURE your memory is good. I would be willing to bet lots of you out there have SIMMS with either soft or hard errors on them and you don't even know about it, but every once in awhile those bad SIMMS just makes your life hell. I just got plain SICK of dealing with peoples complaints that thier machine just crashed and they lost thier work. In case your wondering, or if you haven't already guessed I work in an IS department. Service is a do or die perogative in this line of work, so the MORAL IS: HAVE YOUR MEMORY TESTED with a SIMM hardware tester...and NO I don't mean the simple little software programs that you can run in your machine. SIMMS are complicated little beasts and they needs special hardware to test them effectively. If any of you are interested in getting one of these nifty little devices which are not cheap, write me back. They make life a little bit easier, and besides they pay for themselves in a short time from the loss of productivity people would have to deal with when thier machine commits suicide.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 388,,None 389," The Shannon limit for voice lines is likely somewhere around 25kbps. We are rapidly approaching it. The fastest affordable full-duplex modems currently on the market are V32bis, which is 14400bps. CELP manages to sound decent at 4800 bps. In theory, if you built a speech recognition system that turned voice into ASCII, and a perfect synthesis system on the other end that sounded just like the person you were speaking to, you could get it down to the information content of the speech. With various kinds of LPC, you can get it down to 2400 bps or prehaps even less, at which point it sounds horrible. 4800 bps is more than adequite for our purposes. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com",sci.crypt 390," Funny, I thought the numbering scheme for both Lexus and Infiniti was related to sticker price more than anything else, i.e. Infiniti G20 (around 20K), Q45 (around 45K), Lexus ES250 (RIP) (around 25K), Lexus ES300 (around 30K), etc. Is there a conspiracy theory there? Spiros",rec.autos 391,"I just signed up for this group, so I hope I'm not missing something in a FAQ, but I'm looking for a good introduction to the mathematics of encryption -- particularly DES and Public-Key, though others would be interesting also. Probably a good library could help me out, but I thought it might be even easier if I could obtain a nice article entirely electronically (besides, I have this rather *rational* phobia of libraries for reasons stemming from this ""dissertation"" thing hanging over my head :-)). I have a basic knowledge of mathematics... number-theory is a bit unfamiliar to me, but I've had a few graduate-level math courses in some other areas; anyway, I'm not a complete novice to the field. So probably something aimed at a basic graduate introductory level would be about right. Something, anyway, which is more specific than ""a really big prime number is generated to code the message"". If someone knows of a good text available by ftp (or gopher), or would like to email me one... please let me know. I'll probably keep reading this group; but it would be nice if you would email me at the same time, so I don't miss it. Thanx, Lulu...",sci.crypt 392,"Applied Engineering used to sell a 3.5"" disk drive for the Apple IIgs that read and wrote 1.6 meg on a HD disk. I wonder if the drive would work on a mac, since I'm using my old 3.5"" drive from my IIgs on my IIsi now. Just a thought. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ /~~~~~~~\ \_____ | | | TTTTTT EEEEE VV VV EEEEE | | | TT EE VV VV EE | /---/ | TT EEEE VV VV EEEE | Steve Liu | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.software Subject: Re: Formatting more than 1440K - Possible??? Summary: Expires: References: Distribution: Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Keywords: Applied Engineering used to sell a 3.5"" disk drive for the Apple IIgs that read and wrote 1.6 meg on a HD disk. I wonder if the drive would work on a mac, since I'm using my old 3.5"" drive from my IIgs on my IIsi now. Just a thought. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ /~~~~~~~\ \_____ | | | TTTTTT EEEEE VV VV EEEEE | | | TT EE VV VV EE | /---/ | TT EEEE VV VV EEEE | Steve Liu |",comp.sys.mac.hardware 393," No, if you put a conductor in a changing magnetic field, it produces a voltage. The two ways you can do that with a permanent magnet is to move the magnet or move the conductor. The slow shifting of the Earth's magnetic field isn't really significant, especially when you consider how weak the Earth's magnetic field is to begin with. Well, it would require generating an incredibly large magnetic field to repel the Earth's magnetic field (as a magnet can repel another magnet). Of course, this force only works in one direction, and the magnetic field generated has to be unimaginably powerful. Magnetic repulsion drops off as 1/r^3, and the earth's magnetic field on the surface is already very weak. It would require some sort of unknown superconductor, and special nonmagnetic construction. And seriously hardenned electronics (optical computers, perhaps). And the physiological danger would be significant (due to the iron content in our blood, among other things). In other words, forget it. I missed out on the ""dragless satellite"" thread, but it sounds totally bogus, from this little bit.",sci.space 394," Not an astute observation -- this is a straw-bullpen. The lefties, Stanton & Mercker are strong, and Wohlers is down learning a new pitch. The bullpen is fine, probably superior. Also false. Gant, Nixon, Justice, Hunter, Blauser present a decent enough offense. EVERYONE is slumping (except Blauser), not just Pendleton. BTW, what is the story with Brian Hunter? Is he in the dog house?",rec.sport.baseball 395," MINOR? You put unsignalled lane change in a MINOR category? Now I know who these guys are...",rec.motorcycles 396," I would expect that CD-ROM software would not even need copy protection. As the program on a CD-ROM would not fit onto a hard-drive, and it is impossible for the average (and even not-so-average) user to write to a CD-ROM, copies of the software (that still work) could never be made. Hmmm.. now that I think about it.. with a creative TSR, maybe disk-swapping could be used to simulate files on a single disk. You would need a tonne of disks though. ",sci.electronics 397,"I am considering adding to my 386 system equipped with a 130meg Maxtor HD, a second Maxtor 245 Meg HD. I assume this will not be a problem. However, I remember reading somewhere that to do this, you needed to reformat your original drive ? Is this true ? If so why ? My drive is full and I really don't like the idea of to re-installing everything from floppy!! Please E-mail me, or post to the group --Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa INTERNET:#1 mdtancsa@watarts.uwaterloo.ca Waterloo, Ontario #2 mike.tancsa@canrem.com CANADA __________________________________________________________________ --- þ RoseReader 2.10á P004555 Entered at [CRS]",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 398,"I am looking for a suitable UART for a project. What I require is a stand alone device (i.e. not cpu controlled) which will receive 1200 baud RS232. Also a nice extra would be a received data buffer. Please reply with any info you have. Thanks,",sci.electronics 399,"My 610 is working like a charm.. In fact, if 610's are flaky, I would consider it a great computer even if I had to return a couple to Apple to get a good one. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 400," Well, you're going to have to practice, but you're getting the hang of it. Soon we're going to have to give you a new nickname. Try these on for size: Tammy ""Lucky Seven"" Healy Tammy ""Pass the falafel"" Healy Tammy ""R Us"" Healy Tammy ""Learning by Doing"" Healy Maddi ""Never a Useful Post"" Hausmann -- Maddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com Centigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553",alt.atheism 401," BULLSHIT. How many lakes have ceased to be able to support life from purely natural pollution? Man has already done this to scores of lakes. Also, much of the ""degredation"" you cite was done by cows and pigs. And why do think there are so many cows around? Could it be.......cause people raise them? ",talk.politics.misc 402," You have one. Minimize the print manager and drag a file to it and it will print it. You need to associate file extensions with such things as the notepad for it to do this though.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 403,"Okay. I have my copies of all relevant gun-control bills. I'm mad as hell. I want to get involved. I want to join the battle to protect our Second Amendment Rights. Who do I write? Who should I concentrate on writing my comments to? The actual author of the bill? The supporters of the bill? My Congressman? My Senator? Newspapers? Magazines? All of the above? I don't believe that I will change the world, but at least I am going to throw a few punches. Can any of you offer any advice or suggestions to me as I now begin to get involved here? Thanks for replying directly to me via e-mail.",talk.politics.guns 404," The VL-IDE Adapter can be much faster then the normal IDE, it depends on the drive you use and the board you use. I am using a NoName VL-IDE I/O Contr. it is tested under coretest with 2.000 kb/s using a cheap Seagate 3196 and nearly 4000 kb/s using a WD-Caviar 2340, you have figure out the jumper setting on the controller to get reliable diskaccess, fastest setting gets 4600 kb/s under Coretest but does not work reliable. You have to shadow the adapter BIOS to get the fast speed. I haven´t used a VL-IDE-Cache controller yet, but it might speed up twice. dieter ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 405," ok. so what's an ""exhaust bra""? i'm guessing it's not a fabric thing that straps to the pipes... does it go over the chin fairing/lowers in some way? i usually don't ride with the lower plastic...",rec.motorcycles 406,"I recently took apart my color Sony TV to clean the volume pushbuttons and when I put the beast back together, the flyback whine got much louder. Is this easy to fix? Which part is resonating? I have heard rumors of a spray that will fix the noise. Is this a simple thing for a TV repairman to fix? Thanks,",sci.electronics 407,"A friend of mine uses Windows 3.1 to do most of her work. Unfortunately, she has very bad eyesight, and we haven't been able to figure out how to change the default font used by the system and application menus, or the font used by the Help program (what use is hypertext if you can't read it?) to make it legible to her. If anyone knows how to increase the size of these fonts, of any software package that makes Windows more accessible to visually handicapped people, please let me know.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 408,"Organization: Compact Solutions, Canberra ACT Australia I have a floppy drive which has developed ""General failure"" errors. (It's a Teac 1.44Mb 3.5"" drive). I took it out of the machine and noticed it was very dusty. I used a high powered air can to blow all this dust out and it's quite clean now. However, it didn't help the problem. I've also identified that when the machine boots (and the drive seeks for a boot disk), the head movement during this process is now approximately half the length of the original time. What I mean is the period when the drive light comes on and the heads move from their retracted position out to the track containing the boot sector. Is there anything more I can do to try and save this drive? I'd prefer not to shell out $100 for a new one if I can help it. Thanks! Cheers, Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ben J. Elliston Bachelor of Engineering (Computer Engineering) \\\// University of Canberra (@ @) ___ooO_( )_Ooo__ Email: compsol@fir.canberra.edu.au V Also: ellib@cbr.cpsg.com.au UUCP: ..!uunet!munnari!sserve.adfa.oz.au!compsol!root FidoNet: 3:620/262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 409," It is ironic that in any post that criticizes langauge ability, the critic invariably makes a mistake himself (""english"" is generally written ""English"".) Oddly, I do not see that I have contested any of that. Perhaps you, with assuredly greater ""english"" ability can explain, in tiny words that I might grasp their meaning, precisely WHERE I infer that you have said any of those things? No Mr Fisher, you should place the burden of proof on the one who makes the allegation in the first place. You do not. Perhaps you might explain why that is? As for the email route, Mr Fisher, you might have tried that yourself. ",rec.sport.baseball 410," Has anyone used DCE threads with an X Client? Is it possible to have one thread listening for incoming RPCs while another processes X Events? How do you set something like this up? _ Atul (apara@ctp.com) ",comp.windows.x 411,"To anyone with experience about Honda Civic (EX or DX) or Saturn SL1: I would be interested in knowing how reliable these cars are, how expensive they are to own and operate (parts, maintenance, gas, insurance), if the dealers are good, and if they actually live up to their economy image. Another question: what would I expect to pay for a Civic EX coupe with automatic, air, and an AM/FM radio? Mail to the address below or post to this group. Thanks, Rob",rec.autos 412," It sure did! I have; and all the above teach me that accurately perceiving reality is a tricky business -- _not_ that there's no reality. -- Mark Pundurs",talk.religion.misc 413," First off, use some decent terms if ya don't mind. This is sci.med, not alt.sex. Secondly, how absolutely bogus to assume that ""American's are just too hung up on the penis....blah,blah"". I think most American's don't care about anything so comlicated as that. They just think it ""looks nicer"". Ask a few of them and see what response you get. Others still opt for circumcision due to religious traditions and beliefs. Some think it is easier to clean. Still others do it because ""Daddy was"". Dont' be so naive as to think American's are afraid of sexuality. ",sci.med 414,"I don't know much about Hydrophones, so I'm looking for any information that will help avoid problems I haven't thought of! I would like an inexpensive hydrophone and amplifier with tape (line level) outputs... something like Edmund sells for $250. They also sell just the microphone (hydrophone) head for $24, but how does one construct the enclosure? Any information would be greatly appreciated, Thanks!",sci.electronics 415," I presume you are just going to use IDEA for the session encryption and transmit the session key with RSA? David R. Conrad ""No his mind is not for rent/To any god or government""",sci.crypt 416,"I have been studying the Bible now for about a year. I love it, but I am not very familiar with the different denominations, or traditions, or common beliefs of various christian groups. I have heard various people (outside this news group) describe *idols* such as power, money, material possessions etc. These things are worshiped in some sense I suppose, but I never really gave idols much thought. Until now... I have been reading the postings in this news group (which I just found a few days ago), and I have a question... First, I'm not trying to question anyone's belief or try to push my views on anyone else (I haven't been at this long enough to have any views other than I cannot get to heaven by being good, I must understand that Christ bore my sins on the cross so that I could be saved and I need to repent, i.e. realize that every time I sin, I might as well stick a sharp stick in Christ's side because He took the punishment for my sins, when He died on the cross). In my studies, Mary never really comes up. I know who she is, but that's about it. It seems to me that a statue of Mary could be considered an idol? Do people pray to statues of Mary? It sounds like educated christians (more educated than myself I'm sure) believe Mary was sinless? Wow... I hoped to spend the summer convincing myself (one way or the other) about Tongues (I'm reading ""Charismatic Chaos""). I guess I'll study Tongues in parallel with reading this news group. Any help you can give me will be appreciated. ------------------------------------------- [I don't think the issue is so much that people are more educated than you (though it may well be that they are), as that they come from a different tradition than yours. This is a discussion between Catholics and Protestants. Catholics generally believe that Mary was sinless. Protestants do not. The issue comes down to different sources of authority. Protestants generally limit themselves to the Bible as a source of doctrine. Since this isn't in the Bible (except in passages that no one would understand in this way if they didn't already believe it), Protestants don't accept it. Catholics see continuing revelation through the Church, though they believe the results are consistent with the Bible. I interpret your posting, not as a call for yet another argument about whether the Catholic Marian devotions are idolatry (an argument I am not prepared to see newed here), but as a sign of being interested in learning about traditions other than your own. Catholics are of course a major one, but by no means the only one. I generally consider the major traditions to be Catholic, Orthodox, and various subsets of Protestantism. Within Protestantism, it's a matter of how finely you want to cut things. These days I think the major division is between those who accept Biblical inerrancy and those who don't. There are also a number of major historical traditions, but in recent decades distinctions are tending to blur. I'd identify the major Protestant traditions as: Lutheran, Reformed, Anglican (they're sort of halfway between Catholic and Protestant), Wesleyan, Baptist, Holiness, Pentecostal, Church of Christ But there are a number of others. Historical distinctions tend not to be so important among the liberal churches anymore, and I think current trends in society and the Church are also tending to make conservatives seen themselves as allies from a general ""evangelical"" perspective. But differences among these various traditions are still quite marked. I think the best introduction to these issues is to read a good book on church history. Anyone who wants to understand the church really needs to understand how we got where we are now. A church history will normally show you where each of these traditions came from, and give a feeling for their nature. Unfortunately I'm away from my library at the moment, so I don't have anything specific to recommend.",soc.religion.christian 417,"Home speakers: o NHT (Now Hear This Inc.) Model II floor tower speaker system. The Model II is a pair of 3 way design with a 3/4"" tweeter, 6.5"" mid-range, and two 6.5"" woofer for low bass. Impedance is 8 ohms (minimum 4 ohms), the cross-over points are 100Hz and 3.2 KHz. Frequency response is rated at 40Hz to 22KHz +/- 3db. Rated efficiency is 87db. Power rating is between 35 to 200 watts per channel. Black finish. Magnetic shielded perfect for surround sound front speakers or HiFi audio speakers. retail $850.00 at Macys, asking $500 obo, a year old, rarely used, excellent just like new condition. o Bose 301 book shelf speakers, black, perfect condition, like new, Paid $350.00, asking $220.00 firm o B&O (Bang & Olufsen) Beovox CX100 Satellite speakers, white. Brand new in box, paid $450.00. $350.00 obo o Yamaha center center paid $125, asking $80.00 firm, just like new o Yamaha rear channel speakers for Doby Surround Sound paid $150, asking $99.00, just like new Car speakers: o Boston Acoustic 861 seperates (car audio speakers), 6"" woofers with seperate tweeters and crossovers. Brand new in box, never been installed, $259.00 at Good Guys Asking $199.00 firm",misc.forsale 418," ESPN must have some very poor marketing people. They are only concerned with featuring players (i.e. Mario) than featuring good competitive hockey. I've heard that this is because most of their market is East Coast and hence would prefer the Wales stuff. Also, don't expect Canadian teams on ESPN.",rec.sport.hockey 419," Nonsense! I wasn't asked if Larry O'Brien should trust Nixon with his keys, but whether I would. David",sci.crypt 420," just a point, i suppose, if open mind means believing anything can be true or we can't for sure know what is definitely true, i'm happy to not be open minded. if, however, open mindedness means being respectful and tolerant towards other beliefs, respecting the rights and intelligence and wisdom of people of other beliefs and giving equal time to alternative ideas, i try my very best to be open minded. just a thot in passing.... :) not being married, i cannot say too much to you, but from my perspective having mutually exclusive faiths would be a big enough roadblock for me in considering marrying someone. making it much bigger than it is? i suppose that depends on how serious each of you is in your beliefs. lukewarm atheists and christians for whom religion is of nominal importance probly would feel the issue isn't very big. i suppose the more important your beliefs are to each of you, the more important the issue is.",talk.religion.misc 421," Some comments deleted for bandwidth (God knows, we need it... :)) Ok, Roger, here's a question for you. Say you are running an expansion team. You don't HAVE a team at the moment, but the draft is coming up. Who are you going to pick, guys who have won the most WS rings, or guys who COULD contribute the most to your team. Say the Reds were dumb enough to not protect Larkin, and the Jays didn't protect Alfredo. Who would you pick? (I can't believe I'm getting involved in this... :) John",rec.sport.baseball 422,"Article #61214 (61317 is last): From: arnolm2@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Richard Arnold) Subject: DX50 vs DX266 Date: Wed Apr 21 19:55:12 1993 Would someone be willing to explain to me the 486DX 50MHz is not more popular than it is? I would think it would be just as fast, if not faster than the 486DX 66MHz for certian applications. Plus, a 50MHz motherboard would seem better if you had any plans on upgrading the chip in the future. I must be missing something, since everyone is buying the DX2 66... Many adds don't even mention the DX 50. Thanks a lot, -Matt End of File, Press RETURN to quit Yes its realy simple, no one makes a mother board that runs the bus at more than 33MHZ....Sam",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 423,": I cant get through to the author of rtrace. His site is inaccessible : can he upload the new version somewhere else please?",comp.graphics 424," What is the copyright status of this data? Are there restrictions regarding the uses they can be put to? Kaveh ",comp.graphics 425," Gee, since you ignored the entire substance of my substantial post, you got a lot of nerve claiming that I don't understand what's being talked about. Respond to the previous post or shut the fuck up. You're really annoying. -- Maddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com Centigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553",alt.atheism 426,"Jaffa and try to buy their house back from the Jews who now own it. And now a question and answer for you: Can the Jews who were born and raised in Hebron, or their descendants go back to THEIR homes in Hebron? The answer is: absolutely NOT, because they were almost all murdered by their Arab neighbors - the ""palestinians"". Now, do I think the Arabs should be allowed to even visit ""their"" homes in Jaffa? Hell, no. Bring back the Jews of Hebron, Petah Tikva, Jerusalem, Safed, etc. Then, perhaps I would be in favor of Arabs returning to their Jaffa homes. However, seeing as no Arab has yet been able to bring people back from the dead, I'd say that's out. With all the hope in the world, Nissan Ratzlav-Katz",talk.politics.mideast 439,I forgot to mention that the stats are for games through 4/20.,rec.sport.baseball 440,"Often times (most recently on this list in the last few days) I've heard the passage from revelation: ""...whoever adds to the sacred words of this book...whoever removes words from this book..."" used as an arguement against the deutercanonical books. I feel this is ridiculous for two reasons: 1. They weren't added later by the Catholic Church; they were *always* part of what was considered inspired scripture. (This has been dealt with in previous postings...no reason to repeat the info.) 2. It is more likely than not that when St. John (or whomever) wrote the book of Revelation WHAT WAS THEN CONSIDERED SCRIPTURE was ** NOT ** the same thing you and I are holding in our hands! If one takes the translation of ""this book"" in REV 18:22 (or somewhere around there) to mean ""all of scripture"", then all of us are likely holding something that is in violation of this command. It is impossible to exactly date the scriptures, even the N.T. ones (they didn't like to date their letters, I guess). I really wish I had my bible with me right now to get the facts straight, but I believe that several of the N.T. letters, chief among them 2 Peter, have their most likely date of composition in the early second century A.D. Revelation was almost certainly written durin the reign of Domition (sp?), A.D. 80-96. Thus it could be argues that we are all in sin if we accept 2 Peter as scripture, since it was ""added"" to the book after the composition of Revelation, when we are told to add nothing more.",soc.religion.christian 441," Hey, Clayton, it's me again! I just love your arguments. They completely clinch each and _every_ one of your points! But then again, that, I suppose, says a lot about how screwed up your are. Hehe. I haven't had so much fun since I started blasting christians in alt.atheism! ",talk.politics.misc 442," I wholeheartedly endorse it. I have no problem with the Haven't been to many A's games, have you? Seriously, I don't mind a baseball game that lasts a long time if it lasts a long time because there is good baseball being played. However, I don't like 3-2 games that take 3+ hours, because there's a lot of dead time going on in that game. I don't find anything exciting about watching batter or pitcher wander around between pitches, or watching the catcher make a slow walk to the mound, or watching lots of pitcher changes for no good reason (Whitey Herzog used to be the master of this; the game could be way out of reach, and he'd still be making switches for platoon advantage). I want to see the game, not people standing around. I don't really enjoy watching NFL football games in person, for example, because there's so much dead time (you don't really notice how much dead time there is if you watch it on television, because they're busy showing you replays). I don't like that college basketball games have so many time outs at the end of the game (the NCAA has made some moves to try to alleviate this problem for next year: they're going to stop the clock after made baskets late in games next year, and they're going to a 35 second clock). There's also a difference in how tolerant I am of long games if I'm watching them on the tube, and if I'm going there in person. For me, going to an A's game has become a major commitment of time, one that I'm not willing to make that often: the length of their games is costing the A's revenue from me.",rec.sport.baseball 443," Falcon Microsystems of Landover MD, the sole Apple-authorized reseller to the federal government, has similar ""open market"" prices. The upgrade is too new to be on General Services Adminsitration schedule yet. Joe Gurman",comp.sys.mac.hardware 444,"Someone asked me if I there existed an init that removes the dialog ""you're gonna disconnect all apletalk users "" or something like that, when the powerbook falls asleep. He said he was sure that such a thing existed, and he thought it was freeware. Can anyone help me out with this ?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 445," I guess it's kind of an aesthetics argument. I can see the solar arrays being expensive, and there could be contingencies where you would be throwing away brand new solar cells, but it seems so cheap compared toa shuttle mission, i wouldn't think they would bother.",sci.space 446," I posted that document (forgot part 1/6 etc) but it was more than a summary, it was a complete technical description of the protocol. It can be ftped from simtel or from wuarchive.wustl.edu in mirrors/msdos/naplps Why not write a NAPLPS decoder for your choice of platform and release the code to the net? Then other willing souls can help port it to other platforms. NAPLPS was designed for this type of online interactive graphics much the same as X, but while X is intended for high-bandwidth network connections, NAPLPS was optimized for low bandwidth modem connections. I'm sure you will receive other suggestions but look at it this way. If you wanted to provide a full network connection to Linux over a modem would you use SLIP/PPP or would you invent some new way? Most people would say that SLIP/PPP exist and are reasonably well designed protocols, so lets just implement them. I see it the same way with NAPLPS. It is an existing, well thought out, extensible protocol for online graphics, so why not implement it. If you need any advice on implementation, just e-mail me. I am currently getting a beta version of my CorelDraw to NAPLPS converter working well enough to release it by May 15. If you or someone else does not get going on a freely available NAPLPS decoder, then I intend to do it after I get a my conversion program out of beta, and get a couple of other things done. ",comp.graphics 447,"But you stated that this study was presented in a very accurate and dependable way. This is confusing to the issue. And if you read this title it implies that; gay sex (homosexual sex) activities are low compared to the general population that they surveyed. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well let us quibble- look at the above statement that you posted, I have marked it with '^^^^^^', IT STATES THAT 1% ARE EXCLUSIVELY HOMOSEXUAL- IT STATES 2% ARE OR HAVE ENGAGED IN HOMOSEXUAL SEX. And please not the use of adjective here ""HOMOSEXUAL SEX"". Now I stated that if we take 1% as homosexal this is a valid viewpoint.",talk.politics.misc 448," I never advocated ""hiding in the sand."" I'm advocating a peaceful solution while a peaceful solution is possible. Unless you want blood on your hands. Read the above. I type corrected. (:-) English revolution-> what revolution? They never had one. India-> If they could get around their religion restrictions Mexico-> Point Taken, I forgot about this one. France-> Napoleon Bonepart would have something to say about this. Holland-> I didn't know they had one, won't comment because I don't know enough. Actually, I consider the issue on topic. When you start gambling with fire crackers, sooner or later, somebody is going to lose a hand. Fine. Exercise the right to free speech. That's great! But don't resort to armed violence until there's no other possibility. No. I believe there are bad cops, and good cops. There are bad people, and good people. (And all that grey inbetween.) I have had the pleasure of knowing a police officer who did his best to uphold the laws he swore to defend. I have also seen what happens when police power is abused. Don't generalize in either direction. It just causes problems. Me either. Nice can of worms, ain't it? ",sci.crypt 449," Having driven both, and having owned an SC300 for 14 months now, all I can say is ""it depends"". They're both great cars. In fact, my wife and I are saving our pennies so we can get her the 300ZX convertible in a year. The 300ZX handles like a dream, while the SC300 rides like a dream. Fit and finish on both are excellent, but the Lexus gets the nod in customer satisfaction. They're both very attractive, and hideously expensive. The resale value of the SC is better than the ZX. The 300ZX isn't available with traction control, which makes it a handful on slippery surfaces.",rec.autos 450,"If you want to try a non-toxic solvent, there's one made of citrus that works very well and doesn't take your skin off in the process. One brand name I've used is Citra-Solve, but there are others too. ",sci.electronics 451," That's right. Everyone. Even infants who cannot speak as yet. Even a little child will rebelliously stick his finger in a light socket. Even a little child will not want his diaper changed. Even a little child will fight nap-time. So far as Jesus saying ""everyone"": A certain ruler asked Jesus, ""Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"" ""Why do you call me good?"" Jesus answered. ""No one is good-- except God alone."" Ken, the book of Romans states that we are born sinners. We do not grow into being a sinner. We sin because we are sinners. The common mistake, even in Christian circles, is to think the reverse true. So for as surely as you grew to look like you parents, you not only inherited their appearance, but also their sin nature. It goes with being human.",talk.religion.misc 452,"I have a question about the autocheck-boxes in Windows. Is it a possibility to let the boxes have several different colors at the same time? Frode Kvam :-) -- _______________________________________________________________________________ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ (C) _______________________________________________________________________________ Name: Frode Kvam Univ: University of Trondheim, dept of informatics E-mail: frode@ifi.unit.no Snail-mail: Lademoens Kirkealle 8 7042 TRONDHEIM Voice: + 47 7 50 45 06 _______________________________________________________________________________",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 453,"I've been away for a couple of weeks and have become out of touch with the latest information on the Diamond Viper Card. Does anyone know if Diamond has come out with any Vesa Driver updates lately? Also, I was wondering what the latest Windows Driver version is up to now. Thanks in advance, Dan",comp.graphics 454," How is that possible? He was on the Albuquerque Leftturns last year. How could you possibly know what team he would be on if Manny Lee was on his team last year. After all, Manny Lee wasn't on his team last year, so it's complete, unfounded speculation to state that if he was on the same team as Manny Lee last year, it would have been the team of the Toronto Blue Jays. Since he and Lee weren't on the same team, you cannot possibly objectively state what team they would have been on if they had both been on the same team.",rec.sport.baseball 455," I quote from the journal, ""30 Days In the Church and In the World,"" 1992, No. 8/9, p. 29. Regarding the new draft of the Universal Catechism: In procuring the common good of society the need could arise that the aggressor be placed in the position where he cannot cause harm. By virtue of this, the right and obligation of public authorities to punish with proportionate penalties, including the death penalty, is acknowledged. For similar reasons, legimate authorities have the right to impede aggressors in society with the use of arms. The Church's traditional teaching has always been expressed and will continue to be expressed in the consideration of the real conditions of common good and the effective means for preserving public order and personal safety. To the degree that means other than the death penalty and military operations are sufficient to keep the peace, then these non-violent provisions are to be preferred because they are more in proportion and in keeping with the final goal of protection of peace and human dignity. As is clearly shown by this excerpt, the Church's teaching on capital punishment remains today as it has always been in the past - in total accord with my sentiment that I do not disagree with the use of deadly force in those cases for which this option is justifiable. I seek to conform my will to the will of God as expounded by His instrument of the visible Church here on earth whenever the question of faith or morals arises. ",soc.religion.christian 456,"My disk that had my joystick code that some of you were kind enough to mail me puked....specifically, I am looking for C code to read the position of joystick WITHOUT using int15h, i.e. accessing port 0x200/0x201 directly. I need it in C becaues of memory model considerations. I only need to be able to read the X and Y position also.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 457," Wow, look at alllthe pretty puddles!!!! Jimmy crack koan, and I don't care, Jimmy crack koan and i don't care, Jimmy crack Koan and i don't care, Zen Master's gone away..... ",talk.religion.misc 458," Are you in contact with her, is that what she said, or what you THINK her reason is? Also, could it be possible that she is not replying because she has no reply that wouldn't confirm the worst suspicions? If the suspicions are way out of pocket, one would think the person would be in there saying so, and indicating WHY they are out of pocket. Hiding behind a veil of secrecy is not reassuring. ",sci.crypt 459," ^^^^^^^ So how does Aerostitch hold up with this procedure? I'm ordering mine Monday, May 3. And I'm happy about it, too. :-) :-) -Mike",rec.motorcycles 460," I don't think the issue of whether infants have faith is relevant or not. Certainly they *can*, as the example of John in utero proves. I find the translation of Col 2 above odd in terms of the circumcision of christ, which the KJV and RSV put in terms of Christ's cricumcision which we, in union with him *participate* in putting off the body of sins of the flesh. Also, perhaps cor 2:12 is dividing the act of burial with him in baptism, which can be independant of faith, from the experience of rising with Christ by faith. Who says both are by faith? This interpretation has the advantage of explaining those who are faithlessly baptized, for whom their baptisim is not benefit, but serves to put them into the kingdom nonetheless. Like the israelites (all of them, children included) who were baptized in the cloud and in the sea, it was of no advantage because they did not add to their baptism faith and obedience. Baptism does not impart faith, nor is it done strictly speaking on the basis of the faith of the parent, but because of the covcenant promise of God. It imparts grace, the grace of the kingdom, which can be a punishement in disguise if there is later apostacy. Do you teach a child to pray the Lord's prayer? Do you expect them to not steal? They *can* have faith appropriate to their condition. And in the new covenant, we shall no longer say: know the lord, for they shall all know him from the least unto the greatest Heb 8:11. But also according to Ezekiel 18, God will not hold innocent anyone on the basis of anyone elses innocense. Thus Jesus could not be our federal head any more than adam, *IF* that's what ezekiel is talking about. Shall you make ezekiel 18 contradict the second commandemnt as well? > Ezekiel 36:25-26 indicates that this new heart will be given by God, in the context of the sprinkling of water in baptism. It is the action of God puting them into his new order, and not a question of""personal"" faith as such. But the death that came to all because of sin is not just their personal death, but the dead state (originbal sin). We are in a covenant of death, because adam, our federal head gave over his dominion to the devil and death. While this psalm is figurative in it's language, it is not hyperbolic, and the one does not necessarily imply the other. There is not other hyperbolic language in this psalm. What v 5 is likely refering to is what is symbolized by the OT cleanliness laws (which make intercourse and childbrith both acts which caus uncleannes and seperation from God). The whole psalm is in the language of OT ritual (hyssop, cleansing, burnt offering, etc) David's sin with bathsheba included this element, as he did not ritually cleanse himself when he should have. But what was symbolized by the OT ritual was the truth that sin was passed generationally. That's why the organ of generation had to be cut. That's why brith was unclean. Uncleanness was death, and all babies were born dead, and needed to be washed to newness of life, which we have in baptism today.",soc.religion.christian 461,"=Having read in the past about the fail-safe mechanisms on spacecraft, I had =assumed that the Command Loss Timer had that sort of function. However I =always find disturbing the oxymoron of a ""NO-OP"" command that does something. =If the command changes the behavior or status of the spacecraft it is not =a ""NO-OP"" command. Using your argument, the NOOP operation in a computer isn't a NOOP, since it causes the PC to be incremented. =Of course this terminology comes from a Jet Propulsion Laboratory which has =nothing to do with jet propulsion. Of course, the complaint comes from someone who hasn't a clue as to what he's talking about. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL",sci.space 462," This is stupid. Won't it cost more to those companies hoping to serve the gov't and private markets if they DON'T use the same technology? ",sci.crypt 463,"SUBSCRIBE XPERT skji@eve.kaist.ac.kr ",None 464,"In <1993Apr24.214843.10940@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu I already responded to this on one dimension, but afterthoughts cause me to make another, independent reply. The problem with a ""moment of silence"" is that it is NOT an even-handed way of ""allowing"" for religion amongst students in the public schools. As I noted before, Muslims need more than a moment of silence in order to perform the prayers they are required by Muhammad to do. And (at least Orthodox) Jewish prayer also has requirements that are not addressed by this. There is, in fact, a highly selective BIAS towards Christian prayer in this ""moment of silence"" shit. And that is especially bizarre in that Christian prayer DOESN'T NEED this stuff -- a Christain may pray totally incognito AT ANY TIME (to some extent, this is true of Muslims and Jews as well -- what I intend in my first paragraph is that there *are* some characteristic forms of prayer in *these* religions which DO need special times and/or behavior, which cannot be undertaken without an observer being able taking note of it.) A Christian may pray, at ANY time -- silently and without any trace of his activity being evident to others. That may or may not be true of the other religious traditions amongst us: certainly, these tend to have SOME forms of prayer that WOULD evidence differences from American/Protestant ""mainstream"" religion. All that a ""moment of silence"" does is to allow THAT ONE tradition which doesn't NEED it, to have a ""special"" place set aside in the public schools. There is NOTHING in Christian prayer that requires public forms, or rugs, or phylacteries, or anything else at all visible to the outside world. A Christian student MAY (and probably does) pray at innumerable times during the day, without anyone else knowing it. [That may also be true of non- Christians -- I am not claimng otherwise]. In the ""moment of silence"" it would STILL be difficult for the Jews to gather and daven, for the Muslims to do their ablutions and find qiblah to Mecca and engage in the prescribed forms. But *of course* Christians can do *their* thing -- and therefore, the provision is nothing but a disguised attempt to encourage just that. Luckily, there *is* a strong Jewish presence in this country (and I, as a Christian, revere some of the Jewish teachers I had in public schools), and a growing Muslim presence as well. I can only hope that the political forces consequent on this will PREVENT the imposition of Christian forms on non-Christians. As far as I can see (as a Christian) there is NOTHING in this ""moment of silence"" campaign but an attempt to use PUBLIC social pressure to FORCE children to adhere to a pattern that is biased towards Christianity. And as a Christian, I *must* protest such coercion. For what it's worth, I suspect that the coercion is not really targeted at the non-Christians -- it is yet another case of FAILURE amongst Christian parents in ""making"" their children prayerful, so that they want the public schools to teach what THEY cannot manage to teach, despite having all the opportunity in the world to do so. If you have taught your children to pray, they do NOT need a moment of silence in school. If you have NOT managed to teach them, the moment will only embarrass you. Give it up.",talk.religion.misc 465,"Yes, the local sheriff stated that anytime he wanted to talk to Koresh, all he had to do was call him and Koresh would come down. Full agree with you here. I think its ridiculous that he did not even talk to Janet Reno until sometime Tuesday, however, he did talk with Wendell Hubbel(?). So who really is the Attorney General???? Hopefully the investigation will answer some of these bizarre questions.",talk.politics.guns 466," The ""R Us"" is not trademarked, but the ""Backwards R Us"" is, I believe. --- Speaking of proofs of God, the funniest one I have ever seen was in a term paper handed in by a freshman. She wrote, ""God must exist, because he wouldn't be so mean as to make me believe he exists if he really doesn't!"" Is this argument really so much worse than the ontological proofs of the existence of God provided by Anselm and Descartes, among others?",alt.atheism 467,"To encourage the great tradition of Red Sox negativism, I am having a contest to predict the magnitude of the Sox' fall from their current heights. You must decide first, whether the Sox will be at .500 again at any time during this year. Then you must predict either: (1) Their record the first time they're at .500, if they are, or (2) Their final record, if they stay above .500 the rest of the year. So Valentine's earlier prediction would go as ""13-13"" (resend it if you were serious, Val!). ESPN pointed out last night that the last Sox start better than this was in 1952, when they finished 76-78, in sixth place. So email me your guess, either at ""barring@cs.washington.edu"" or directly replying to this post. Entries close 5 pm PDT on Wed 28 Apr 1993.",rec.sport.baseball 468," That's fine idea, but it only works if the lighting/power company even bothers to supply good light fixtures. For instance, a power company in Virginia recently asked a state commission for permission to sell more lights of various type. Yet, all of the different fixture that they sold and wanted to sell were bad designs - one that wasted the light. Thus, you couldn't even buy a good light from them. In most places, to get a good light, you have to either order it special at high cost or call a store in Arizona. At some point, society starts to make rules. Cars have to pass safety tests. Companies have to meet pollution standards, etc.. There are two ways to achieve this: educate the public so that they demand good lighting or force code down the lighting companies backs. History seems to suggest that the latter is more likely to work. Agreed, so I won't respond again. It's important for all you spacers out there to realize that some people will object to various wild ideas that have been presented. Just like Congress, it would be best to consult the astronomers/lovers of the night sky before you try some PR stunt to boost public knowledge about space.",sci.space 469," What is so honorable about placing bombs in passenger airliners, promising to execute Rushdie, killing 1-2 million people in the Iran/Iraq war, murdering tourists and persecuting ethinc Christians in Egypt, massacring Christians in Sudan, harassing Christians in and barring Jews from Saudi Arabia? How are paranoid Muslims ""righteous in defending themsselves"" in these situations? Who are they even afraid of? Considering that you seem to be posting from central New Jersey, this is an odd comment coming from you. I dare you to speak your mind in the Middle East in any country besides Israel. ",talk.politics.mideast 470," Right. The Branch Dividians were. They believed and trusted so much that it became impossible to turn back to reality. What you are advocating is total irreversible brainwashing.",alt.atheism 471," Utopia is a myth (although we can do a lot better than what we have today). But I think that you must pitch Libertarianism as a progressive agenda (ie You can do better under our style of system). I'm flattered by your invitation, but I'm afraid you have the wrong person. Although I completely agree with your civil liberties agenda, I'm not in support of your economic agenda. What I DO like about the Libertarian party is that you guys are so good at shaking up the tired ideas of the past. I encourage you guys to continue your crusade, but I'm afraid I can't ride along. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Nothing is as inevitable as a mistake whose time has Garrett Johnson come."" --Tussman Garrett@Ingres.com ""The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action."" - Unknown",talk.politics.misc 472,"[...] [...] [...] ""Hey, what the hell do you mean by that? You suck. I have a god-given right to express opinions, carry a gun and to not wear a helmet, goddamn it. Everything you stand for is STUPID."" You know, Alan, I really like this one. ----- Tommy McGuire mcguire@cs.utexas.edu mcguire@austin.ibm.com",rec.motorcycles 473,"I am posting this for a friend. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS ACCOUNT!!! If you are interested in any of the following, ask for Rob at (510) 521-3147. Laptop PC: $1200 - 386SX 20MHz CPU - 4 MB RAM - 120 MB Hard Drive - VGA Graphics (32 Greyscale) LCD - External VGA Port - 3.5"" High Density Floppy Drive - Removable 101-key keyboard - External keyboard port - 2 Serial, 1 Parallel and 1 Expansion ports - Expansion unit available, which has 2 full-size card slots Bernoulli Drive: $400 - Dual 20 MB Disk Drives - 20 MB cartridges (comes with 4 disks) - External unit Scanner: $50 - Logitech Scanman",misc.forsale 474,"jwindley@cheap.cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes... [...] This is curious. I read in _EH_... ""The Lord imparted the gift of knowledge to James the Just, to John and Peter after his resurrection, these delivered it to the rest of the apostles, and they to the seventy, of whom Barnabas was one."" --- Eusebius, _Ecclesiastical History_ It seems that the Lord imparted the gift of knowledge, not that the Lord imparted secret information. [...] I'm afraid that I cannot find this portrayal in _EH_. I don't see anywhere in 3:32:7-8 where Eusebius mentions that certain gnostics had the wrong gnosis. The closest is when Eusebius summarizes Hegesippus' statements, ""...whilst if there were any at all, that attempted to pervert the sound doctrine of the saving gospel, they were yet skulking in dark retreats..."" ""Favorably interpreted?"" Just in looking at two of the four references that you gave (I have the _EH_ handy, Irenaeus and the _Clemetine Recognitions_ I will have to look for) I see no room for such 'interpretations.' And any such 'interpretation' still falls short of an equivalence to the Temple Ceremonies. The links for Jay's using _EH_ for support are: ""imparting the gift of knowledge"" = ""imparted secret information"" = ""being given secret signs and tokens to gain entrance to heaven."" But there is not enough equivalence between the the ideas for us to be able to call this ""favorable interpretation."" It appears to be closer to ""fabrication.""",soc.religion.christian 475," Your hearing curve sounds a lot like mine (thanks, Uncle Sam!). I've been wearing Miracle Ear canal aids for about 5 months now and I find them to be acceptable. They are molded to the shape of your ear canal, and tuned to your hearing curve. They are comfortable to wear and almost invisible, if you're worried about that (although if you're currently wearing behind the ear models, that's not an issue). The cost: I paid $1200 each for mine, through the Miracle Ear counter at Sears. I've heard that there is a substantial discount for senior citizens, but I haven't researched that, because I'm not a senior citizen, yet! Give them a try; you might be pleasantly surprised! ",sci.med 476,"(Martin Vuille) writes... PCMCIA 1030G East Duane St Sunnyvale, CA 94086 USA 408-720-0107 See also: alt.periphs.pcmcia",sci.electronics 477,"Any rocky mountain spotted fever experts out there ? The doctor thinks a friend might have this. The question is, doesn't the tick have to bite you ? You frequently find a tick crawling on you after a walk in the woods around here, but you tend to notice it before it bites you; pulling one out of your skin is something you're not likely to forget. Can you get the fever without it biting you ? Do they sometimes bite you and then let go so you don't realize you were bitten ? I know they will let go once they've had their fill, but you certainly would notice this (arggh). So how do you get the fever if you never pulled a tick off yourself (as opposed to finding one merely crawling on you) ?",sci.med 478," My ex-husband & I used to own Borgwards. Haven't seen any for a long time. They were really good cars. Does ayone out there know anything about them now? I heard they were being made in Mexico, but of course they wouldn't be the original German - if that's even true. When I've been in Mexico I haven't seen any. We loved ours, even tho' they were ugly - they had names - one was Humphrey Borgward. ",rec.autos 479," Stole 300 bases. (Ok, he's still light-hitting, but baseball managers don't think so, they think he, like Omar Moreno before him, is a perfect leadoff man. Awesome defense.) He's still around because of his 1986, when he hit 20 HR. Hasn't played 10+ years in the bigs. Wasn't a full-time major-leaguer until 1988. Consistent .300 hitter. We'll see if he's still around in 1994 for his tenth year. Same goes for Herm. Doesn't count then. Redus is hardly light-hitting, plus he stole 300 bases. Close to 800 OPS career against LHP. We'll see if he's still around in 1995 to qualify. Slugged .416 to .440 for three straight years in one of the worst hitters' parks in the NL. He's going to be one of Colorado's better players this year. Plus, to make ten you have to count all the time he spent in Denver and Buffalo and Hawaii while with the White Sox. Coleman, assuming he makes it to 1994, was never perceived as being weak offensively, though of course he was. Led NL in SB his first six years in the majors. We'll see if he's still around in 1997. Wilson has always been overrated, but hit .300 five times in a six-year stretch and led the league in triples five times. But we can count him if he's still playing in 1994, though it'll be because he's Otis Nixon deluxe with slightly worse defense. Okay, if he's in the league this year, he can count, though he's also in the majors because of Otis Nixon syndrome. He's not spectacular, but he's neither light-hitting nor a ten-year man. Halfway there, and unlikely to make it 3/4 of the way there. Brock suffered from Otis Nixon disease, but he wasn't perceived as light-hitting. Neither was Curt Flood. Cesar Cedeno was *not* light- hitting. He'll have to steal a lot more bases.",rec.sport.baseball 480," Could someone explain where these names come from? I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason to name a planetoid ""Smiley,"" but I'm equally sure that I don't know what that reason is.",sci.space 481,"Microsoft is the largest software company on the planet, yet I cannot think of even *ONE* computing concept that they innovated and brought to market before anyone else. Xerox-PARC/Apple, Osborne, NeXT, GNU and others have been pioneers and led the way to the future of computing. What has microsoft done to be a technological leader? I posted this question before, but I got nary a reply. I make the challenge now to anyone who can come up with something-especially Microsoft employees. I get no response this time, I guess it pretty much assures me that there is none--which is what I suspect anyway.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 482," At Algor's insistance, the shaped charge will automatically detonate after thirty years, a la ""Logan's Run,"" in order to maintain population control. ",talk.politics.guns 483,"I am upgrading my hard drive so I am selling this 40 M drive, it run great, without any problem, for $90 and share the shipping.",misc.forsale 484,"molecules has evolved from an esoteric academic subject into a international industry. Computer graphics has played a decisive role in this transformation by allowing chemists to build, visualize and interact with complex geometrical objects. While computer scientists are conversant in the language of their own discipline, they are often unfamiliar with the terminology, simulation techniques and practical needs of research chemists. Similarly, chemists are often unfamiliar with the latest paradigms and technological advances in graphical computing. This interdisciplinary course is intended to bridge the gap between computer science and chemistry and to equip chemistry researchers who wish to be more than just casual users of prepackaged graphics software. Although this is not intended to be a course in computational chemistry or drug design, data sets from chemical research problems will be used in lab and students will be encouraged to bring data sets of their own. Lab exercises and projects will be carried out using data-flow programming (IBM Visualization Data Explorer software) and students will have access to Cornell Theory Center computing resources, including video recording equipment. Audience: researchers and students in the chemical and biological sciences interested in integrating state-of-the-art computer graphics into their research; computer scientists wishing to gain familiarity with a major application of scientific visualization. The class size will be limited to 25 participants on a first-come first-served basis. Level: Graduate/advanced undergraduate, 1 or 2 Credits. May be taken without credit as a workshop. Calculus, linear algebra and introductory chemistry required. Familiarity with Unix, X-windows and C is useful but not required. Date: June 14-25, 1993 (2 Credits) June 14-18, 1993 (1 or 0 credits) Time: Mon-Fri 9:00 am to 12:00 pm and 1:00 pm to 4:00 pm Cost: 0 or 1 credit $410 2 credits $820 Format The course will be held in the Theory Center training facility where computer workstations will be available. Daily lectures will be interspersed with laboratory exercises and ample time will be provided for project enablement and familiarization with the new computing environment. Students enrolled for one credit will be graded on the basis of their laboratory exercises and short final project. Those enrolled for a second credit will receive more advanced lectures, be given more time for project development and meet daily to share experience and discuss problems encountered. Content (may vary) Elements of computer graphics polygonal rendering, lighting models, ray tracing, volumetric rendering, stereo graphics, animation, introduction to data-flow programming (DX), interactivity. Representing the atom size, time and energy scales basic classical and quantum mechanics Important categories of molecules small molecules, biopolymers, surfaces and catalysts, miscellaneous current applications Data formats and conversions Advanced molecular graphics techniques Types of simulation and experiment electronic structure, molecular dynamics/mechanics electrostatics, X-ray crystallography, NMR, quantum dynamics and spectroscopy. Instructors The course will be taught by two instructors. Topics related to computer graphics will be handled by Dr. Bruce Land, Project Leader of Visualization, Cornell National Supercomputing Facility. Chemistry-specific aspects of the course will be handled by Dr. Richard E. Gillilan, Visualization Specialist and Research Scientist, Cornell National Supercomputing Facility TO REGISTER: mail completed form to Cornell University School of Continuing Education and Summer Sessions B20 Day Hall Ithaca, NY 14853-2801 Questions: Richard Gillilan (607) 254-8757 richard@tc.cornell.edu IMPORTANT: Acceptance will be first-come, first-served and based on a target class size of 15 full-credit and 10 single or non-credit participants. DEADLINE: May 20, 1993 ----------------------- Application Form ---------------------- Scientific Visualization of Chemical Systems Chemistry 782 Computer Science 718 U.S. Social Security number (if available) _____ - ___ - _______ Cornell ID number (if available) ________________ Name: _______________________________________________________________ Last First Middle Suffix (Jr, etc) Address: _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ Home Address (where grades will be mailed): _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ Local Phone ________________ Home Phone _______________ Academic Discipline _____________________________ Course number (check one): __ Chemistry __ Computer Science Credits: __.__ Status: __ Undergraduate Student __ Smart Node Consultant __ Graduate Student __ Smart Node Advisor __ Post-Doctoral __ Faculty __ Other (explain) _______________ Corporate Commercial __ Research Staff __ Other (explain) ______________ Name of Firm ___________________________________________________________ Indicate which of the following best describes you (optional): __ African American __ Alaskan Native __ Asian American __ Caucasian __ Hispanic American __ Native American List special needs (e.g. mobility impaired): ____________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accommodations: Blocks of rooms are available at the Sheraton. Reservations must be made no later than May 17. Be sure to tell them you are here for the ""Cornell Theory Center Visualization Workshop"". Sheraton Inn One Sheraton Drive, Ithaca (607) 257-2000 FAX: 607-257-398 Rates starting at $64.00 Other local motels (Make your reservation early! Our workshop coincides with other Cornell events) Econo Lodge Cayuga Mall 2303 N. Triphammer Rd. Ithaca (607) 257-1400 (800) 466-6900 FAX: (607) 257-6359 Rates from $35.10 (ask for the Cornell Rate) Dorm rooms have also been reserved participants (both credit and non-credit). Participants who are interested in dorm rooms should call (below) for registration information:",comp.graphics 485,"Hi people!: I'm looking for X Servers for DOS or Windows. I've already seen Desqview/X and XVision but I'd like to be aware of other choices. Is there anything on the public domain or shareware ? And in the commercial area is there anything with aggressive pricing ? What about incompatibilities ? Window managers ? Any info is welcome. Thanx in advance. C U! By(e)",comp.windows.x 486,"Actually, you might be surprised to find that not everyone who develops mainstream DOS and Windows apps develops them under DOS or Windows. PC Week recently printed a rumor that Microsoft's Excel development group does its development under OS/2. Another trade rag did an article recently about a group doing Windows development on Sun SPARCstations with SoftPC to test out their work. SCO Unix is and has been a reasonably popular development platform for DOS, Windows, and even OS/2 apps. DOS and Windows are simply not robust or stable enough for development work, IMHO, and apparently others agree. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 487,"Hi there, Does anyone know whether the PUFF RF design package is available via ftp from any site? As I understand it, it is in the public domain - please correct me if I'm wrong on this one. Any other PD RF design tools out there that can be recommended? Especially microstrip filter tools... 73's Lehane ",sci.electronics 488," Yep. And the Ks don't have to denote a slow game, either. Last night, Sid Fernandez was mowing the Giants hitters down (14 Ks in 8 innings), yet the first 7 1/2 innings of the game were quite brisk. He also threw 119 pitches, leading me to believe it isn't just the number of pitches that determines the length of a game, but the behavior *between* pitches. ",rec.sport.baseball 489," I've done some ASIC and digital design, but not any CPU design. It would seem to me that on a 486, the FPU is not being used, most of the cache is not being accessed, the off chip buffers/drivers are idle, the multiplier isn't multiplying, the barrel shifters aren't shifting, microcode isn't microcoding, etc. This means transistors aren't switching which means less power dissipated (in CMOS), which means less heat.\ From what I understand, the Pentium shuts down those sections of the CPU which aren't being used in order to cut down on heat/power. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 490," I think the subject title says it all. Anybody that relies on a SCSI dick for stoarage is a pain in the ass!! ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 491,"o Denon DCR 5490 (high power pull out cassette deck with CD changer control) Features: - 18 W X 4 - Theft Prevention Chassis (pull out) - 24 station-presets (18 FM, 6 AM) - Denon Optimum Reception System IV (FM circuitry-Auto high blend and FM pulse noise cancellor) - Dolby B NR - Key off head release - Flexible fader-internal front amp to rear amp and/or internal front amp to internal rear amp - Auto reverse cassette mechanism - Up/down manual & seek tuning - Music sensor - Stereo/Mono (FM), local switches - Metal tape switch - DIN ""E"" with easy installation lock-in sleeve - Night illumination with dash light dimmer lead - Preset scan - CD changer control Random play: all of tracks on a disc Automatic/Manual search Excellent condition with Manual. Asking $220.00 + shipping o Yamaha YPA-300 power amplifier (car audio) Features: - SELECTABLE 2-MODE POWER OUTPUT: 40W x 2-ch or 90W x 1-ch - all w/ extremely low distortion (0.1% THD) - LOW RFI CIRCUIT effectively eliminates radio frequency interference which might arise from DC-DC conversion - FULL PROTECTION CIRCUITRY protects amplifier from potential damaged caused by overload, short circuiting, DC leakage, excessive heat or mis-wiring. - INPUT LEVEL ADJUSTMENT allows you to complement your system with any audio component - GOLD-PLATED RCA JACK ensures a durable, optimum contact, even under rugged road conditions. - REMOTE POWER links the entire system's ON/OFF with the cassette receiver's ot tuner's power switch. - SCREW TERMINALS allow simple wiring connections - POWER FUSE REPLACEMENT is a simple, one-step operation. - ALTERNATER NOISE REDUCTION CIRCUITRY is effectively suppressed during driving. Specifications: Continuous Power Output (per channel, 4 ohms, 2 channels driven.) with 0.1 % THD, 20 Hz ~ 20kHz .................35W/35W with 0.1 % THD, 1 kHz .........................40W/40W (per channel, 4 ohms, 1 channels driven.) with 0.1 % THD, 20 Hz ~ 20kHz ................80W(BTL) with 0.1 % THD, 1 kHz ........................90W(BTL) Speaker Impedance................................4 to 8 ohms Frequency Response (at 1W, 4 ohms)......10 Hz to 100 kHz (+0, -1.5dB) Signals-to-Noise Ratio ...............................105 dB Total Harmonic Distortion - (at 20W + 20W, 1 kHz, 4 ohms, 24 kHz, LPF)......0.005% Dimensions (W x H x D).....................200 x 50 x 156 mm Weight..........................................5 lbs. 15 oz List price: $250.00 This is one of the nicest/cleanest amp that I have even owned. I am using two of these in my car, this is just an extra one that I don't really need. If you are in the bay area, and like to listen to it first, let me know. Asking $150.00 firm + shipping (brand new in box, never been installed) o Boston Acoustic 861 seperates (car audio speakers), 6"" woofers with seperate tweeters and crossovers. Brand new in box, never been installed, $259.00 at Good Guys Asking $199.00 firm o 2 8"" MTX free air woofers, new in box, never been installed. Paid $49.00 each at Good Guys Asking $70.00 firm",misc.forsale 492,"Hi, I've got an older 386/25 motherboard (old as in, uses a 1988 keyboard controller, and uses memory interleaving rather than caching). It has developed a problem where trying to copy files from floppy cause the machine to lock up (reset button required), but only when in 386 enhanced mode. This occurs in Norton Desktop, File Manager, and when trying to install software. Running Win 3.1 in standard mode works fine. Has anyone run into this? Any ideas? Much thanks appreciated.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 493," Okay, here's what to do. Get a drill and a sanding disk. Use, say a 100 disk and go at it at a very low rpm. If you don't have a drill, try coarse steel wool and brake fluid. Dot 4 has an uncanny knack for removing _any_ paint imperfections. Oh, I'm not responsible for misuse or miapplication of either of these techniques.",rec.motorcycles 494," Greg, No flame intended, but I think you just missed one of the rare attempts of humor in sci.skeptic. ""Krillean"" against ""Kirilian"". Get it? ;-) BTW, I think you're a bit of base yourself, since, to my knowledge, the electromagnetic field around a stone is rather abscent. But still, a stone has a nice ""aura"" on the Kirilian photographs. Don't remember excactly, but ""corona discharge"" I think is a more fitting expression than aura. Think you'll find something on this in the skeptic-faq. ",sci.med 495,"To those who own CMS's Trakkers...please email me with your thoughts on your machine...and specifics such as avg. file access..etc",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 496,"=>Greg:Flame definitely intended here. Bill was making fun of the misspelling. =>Go look up the word ""krill."" Also, the correct spelling is Kirlian. It =>involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the =>subject to a high-voltage source, not of some ""aura."" It works equally well =>with inanimate objects. = =True.. but what about showing the missing part of a leaf? Is this =""corona discharge""? Yup. The demonstration to which you refer consists of placing a leaf between the plates, and taking a Kirlian photograph of it. You then cut off part of the leaf, put the top plate back on, and take another Kirlian photograph. You see pretty much the same image in both cases. Turns out the effect isn't nearly so striking if you take the trouble to clean the plates between photographs. Seems that the moisture from the leaf that you left on the place conducts electricity. Surprise, surprise! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL",sci.med 497," [stuff about Mithras deleted] ",None 498,"Gerry Palo wrote that there is nothing in Christianity that excludes the theory of a succession of lives. I wrote that the Apostle Paul, in Romans 9, speaks of God as choosing Jacob over Esau, and adds that this is not as a result of anything that either child had done, since they had not been born yet. Clearly, Paul does not believe that they had had previous lives, nor does he suppose that his readers will believe it. For if they had had previous lives, it would not make sense to say, ""Neither of them has done anything good or bad as yet, since they are not yet born."" Daniel Cossack writes to ask whether it is fair for God to hate Easau when Esau has done nothing bad? I reply that in Hebrew it is standard usage to speak of hating when what is meant is simply putting in second place. As an example, consider the saying in Matthew 6:24 + No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one + and love the other, or.... Now, it is obviously false that a man with two masters must hate one of them. But it is obviously true that he must put one of them in second place. A dog that always comes when either Billy or Bobby calls will have a problem if they stand in different places and call simultaneously. It cannot give first priority to both. One must take second place. In our original example, second place means that Jacob, not Esau, is chosen to bear the covenant blessing and obligation, and to be the ancestor of Christ. ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** Eugene Bigelow mentions Matthew 11:14 which says of John the Baptist: + And if ye will receive it, this is ELijah, who was to come. I take this to mean that John was an Elijah-like figure, dressing and living like Elijah, preaching like Elijah, and fulfilling the prediction that Elijah would prepare the way for the Messiah. I do not think that he was Elijah in a literal sense, and, appareently, neither did he (John 1:21).",soc.religion.christian 499,"& & If this is the same as adjusting the shims between cam and valve, I have & the same question. Do you buy a FULL set of shims before starting the & adjustment process, or do you calculate the shims you need and then run & off to the dealer in the cage to see if the right shims are in stock? & Obviously the latter would be cheaper (what do shims cost?), but are & measurements of the shim need reliable enough to buy only the indicated shims? Only buy what you need. It would cost a lot to buy a full set, and you won't ever use most of them. I have had good luck with the calculation method. I have never had to change more than one size increment at a time (I never needed a change larger than the next size up/down, usually down). They cost a few $ each for a Yamaha. ",rec.motorcycles 500,"MLB Standings and Scores for Wednesday, April 21st, 1993 (including yesterday's games) NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road San Francisco Giants 09 05 .643 -- 8-2 Won 2 05-02 04-03 Houston Astros 07 06 .538 1.5 7-3 Lost 1 02-04 05-02 Atlanta Braves 08 07 .533 1.5 4-6 Won 1 04-03 04-04 Los Angeles Dodgers 06 08 .429 3.0 4-6 Lost 1 03-03 03-05 San Diego Padres 05 08 .385 3.5 4-6 Lost 1 03-04 02-04 Colorado Rockies 04 08 .333 4.0 4-6 Lost 2 03-03 01-05 Cincinnati Reds 04 09 .308 4.5 3-7 Won 2 02-04 02-05 NATIONAL EAST Philadelphia Phillies 10 03 .769 -- 7-3 Won 2 06-01 04-02 St. Louis Cardinals 08 05 .615 2.0 6-4 Won 1 05-02 03-03 Chicago Cubs 07 06 .538 3.0 6-4 Won 1 04-03 03-03 Montreal Expos 07 06 .538 3.0 5-5 Won 2 04-03 03-03 Pittsburgh Pirates 07 06 .538 3.0 4-6 Lost 4 03-03 04-03 New York Mets 06 06 .500 3.5 4-6 Lost 2 02-04 04-02 Florida Marlins 04 09 .308 6.0 3-7 Lost 2 02-05 02-04 AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Texas Rangers 08 04 .667 -- 6-4 Lost 1 04-02 04-02 California Angels 07 04 .636 0.5 6-4 Won 1 04-02 03-02 Minnesota Twins 07 05 .583 1.0 6-4 Won 1 04-03 03-02 Chicago White Sox 06 07 .462 2.5 4-6 Won 1 02-03 04-04 Oakland Athletics 05 06 .455 2.5 4-6 Won 1 05-02 00-04 Seattle Mariners 05 08 .385 3.5 3-7 Lost 1 03-03 02-05 Kansas City Royals 04 09 .308 4.5 4-6 Won 2 02-05 02-04 AMERICAN EAST Boston Red Sox 11 03 .786 -- 8-2 Won 4 06-01 05-02 Detroit Tigers 08 05 .615 2.5 7-3 Won 1 06-01 02-04 Toronto Blue Jays 07 06 .538 3.5 5-5 Lost 1 04-02 03-04 New York Yankees 06 07 .462 4.5 5-5 Lost 3 03-03 03-04 Milwaukee Brewers 04 06 .400 5.0 4-6 Lost 1 02-02 02-04 Cleveland Indians 05 09 .357 6.0 3-7 Lost 2 04-03 01-06 Baltimore Orioles 04 08 .333 6.0 4-6 Lost 1 02-04 02-04 YESTERDAY'S SCORES (IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order) NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE Houston Astros 1 Chicago White Sox 2 Chicago Cubs 2 Baltimore Orioles 1 (14) Los Angeles Dodgers 3 Texas Rangers 1 Montreal Expos 7 Detroit Tigers 3 Cincinnati Reds 5 Milwaukee Brewers 0 Pittsburgh Pirates 0 Minnesota Twins 10 Atlanta Braves 5 Toronto Blue Jays 2 Florida Marlins 4 Kansas City Royals 8 San Diego Padres 3 Cleveland Indians 2 Philadelphia Phillies 4 (14) California Angels 7 San Francisco Giants 4 New York Yankees 7 New York Mets 1 (11) Oakland Athletics 9 (10) Colorado Rockies 0 Boston Red Sox 5 St. Louis Cardinals 5 Seattle Mariners 2 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS",rec.sport.baseball 501," Well they could unseal the original warrent (Why was i sealed in the first place?), release their video & tapes (from their listening devices inside the compound) and quit makeing contradictory statements. Do you believe their statement that the children were killed by lethal injection? They later stated that the childrens bodies were burned to the point the would be hard to identify. So how did they come up with the lethal injection theory? Unless the evidence was destroyed or other evidence planted. You mean ""Magic bullet"" Spector? I know, a lone gunman killed all the Branch Davidians. :-) || :-( ",talk.politics.misc 502,,None 503,"Can a theist be truly objective? Can he be impartial when questioning the truth of his scriptures, or will he assume the superstition of his parents when questioning? I've often found it to be the case that the theist will stick to some kind of superstition when wondering about God and his scriptures. I've seen it in the Christian, the Jew, the Muslim, and the other theists alike. All assume that their mothers and fathers were right in the aspect that a god exists, and with that belief search for their god. Occasionally, the theist may switch religions or aspects of the same religion, but overall the majority keep to the belief that some ""Creator"" was behind the universe's existence. I've known Muslims who were once Christians and vice versa, I've known Christians who were once Jewish and vice versa, and I've even known Christians who become Hindu. Yet, throughout their transition from one faith to another, they've kept this belief in some form of higher ""being."" Why? It usually all has to do with how the child is brought up. From the time he is born, the theist is brought up with the notion of the ""truth"" of some kind of scripture-- the Bible, the Torah, the Qur'an, & etc. He is told of this wondrous God who wrote (or inspired) the scripture, of the prophets talked about in the scripture, of the miracles performed, & etc. He is also told that to question this (as children are apt to do) is a sin, a crime against God, and to lose belief in the scrip- ture's truth is to damn one's soul to Hell. Thus, by the time he is able to read the scripture for himself, the belief in its ""truth"" is so ingrained in his mind it all seems a matter of course. But it doesn't stop there. Once the child is able to read for himself, there is an endeavor to inculcate the child the ""right"" readings of scripture, to concentrate more on the pleasant readings, to gloss over the worse ones, and to explain away the unexplainable with ""mystery."" Circular arguments, ""self-evdent"" facts and ""truths,"" unreasoning belief, and fear of hell is the meat of religion the child must eat of every day. To doubt, of course, means wrath of some sort, and the child must learn to put away his brain when the matter concerns God. All of this has some considerable effect on the child, so that when he becomes an adult, the superstitions he's been taught are nearly impossible to remove. All of this leads me to ask whether the theist can truly be objective when questioning God, Hell, Heaven, the angels, souls, and all of the rest. Can he, for a moment, put aside this notion that God *does* exist and look at everything from a unbiased point of view? Obviously, most theists can somewhat, especially when presented with ""mythical gods"" (Homeric, Roman, Egyptian, & etc.). But can they put aside the assumption of God's existence and question it impartially? Stephen _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ * Atheist _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Libertarian _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-individuality _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-responsibility _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Jr. * and all that jazz... ",talk.religion.misc 504,"... Apologies, I've not been paying attention.",None 505," Lawson was on the Yamaha. Not taking anything away from Russel, but, well... __ Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who Arch. & Eng. Services |""Lost Horizons"" CR500 | I think I am. UManitoba, Man. Ca. |""The Embalmer"" IT175 | - anonymous",rec.motorcycles 506," Yeah, diesels are cleaner than petrol powered cars. They even have catalysts fitted to disels now! Oh and Citroen have even launched the 'First sports diesel car in the world'. Which is probably true if you assume if its for production purposes (Merc-Benz had a prototype which runs on diesel back in around 1968..... it did - and read this! - 200 MPH!!!) ....Shaz.... ",rec.autos 507," Indirect compared to what? Did Voyager 2 traverse a substantially greater distance than, say, a Hohmann orbit? I've never heard Voyager's path described as ""indirect"" before... ",sci.space 508,"Just because those ""marriages"" are more stable and loving and long-lasting, doesn't make it right. Same-sex partners could have been best friends, without getting sexually involved with each other.",soc.religion.christian 509,"I'm looking for a copy of ""Bela Lugosi's last film."" If anyone has a copy of this stinker, please e-mail me. (Also, if anyone knows a better place to post this, please tell me). ",misc.forsale 510," I think you're both right. Teflon was actually discovered by accident before WWII. From what I've heard, they had some chemical (I assume it was tetrafluoroethylene) in a tank and but the valve got gummed up. Cutting it open revealed that it had polymerized. The material was useful for seals, but it had a major problem for, say the linings of vessels: it wouldn't stick to metal. What the space program did was to find a way to get it to stick. Thus we had no-stick frypans on the market in the late '60s. ",sci.space 511," This is certainly not the case. There is no significant *ability* toi perform in the clutch, but clutch performance certainly happens every time there is a game-winning hit. The ""clutch pitching"" quoted above is something which happened, not a claim that any particular player should be expected to be a clutch pitcher. Simple statistics tell me that there is a 2% chance an average clutch hitter would have this large a split (the average decrease is 7 points, standard deviation about 30). There will be such hitters in any league, just as there will be hitters who hit poorly on Tuesdays. And there is only a very weak correlation (.01 in my best study) between clutch hitting in the last four years and clutch hitting this year, probably because most of the clutch data is determinaed by luck rather than any ability. *Based only on this data*, I don't see any reason to pinch-hit for Sabo, or any other player who had been a poor clutch hitter in the past. But there are many other factors involved in a decision to pinch-hit. Does the pinch-hitter give you a platoon advantage? (Any portion of Sabo's clutch split that results from his platoon split is certainly a real ability, even if it has nothing to do with clutch hitting.) Do you have a singles hitter at the plate when you need a home run? Do you have a curveball pitcher facing a batter who has trouble with curves? ",rec.sport.baseball 512," I don't have a stat, but, unfortunately, I did read generally that both smoking and belief in the supernatural (occultish garbage) is on the rise here. This is very interesting. I thing the principle is sort of the same though: all ""philosophical"" ideas are generally tried out and tested mostly during college years. Whether the idea is christian or atheist doesn't always matter. But I'd like to say it's because atheists are more intelligent :) -- regards, --Adam",alt.atheism 513,"#Really? I thought that insurance companies hired all of #their actuarial staffs to determine the risks correlated #with all groups of people, and that gays are more likely #to have AIDS than are those of other sexual orientations. Correlation != causality. The risk factor is having non-monogomous unprotected sex, not being homosexual. ",talk.politics.misc 514,,None 515,"The Microsoft Windows Device Driver Kit (DDK) documentation (blurb) states that the user must separately acquire the Microsoft Windows Software Development Kit (SDK), which contains the Windows tools to build the drivers. If we are using Borland C++ with Application Frameworks, is this necessary? We also have a copy of the Microsoft Press Programmer's Reference Library (books) which normally comes with the SDK, and Microsoft Macro Assembler 6.0. Why is the SDK neccessary for development of Virtual Device Drivers?",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 516," Please replay to : yxy4145@usl.edu Thanks a lot ",None 517," ""Muslim"" in ex-Yugoslavia was a *nation* not a religion. In fact, not all Muslims in B-H are followers of Islam. Therefore, there do (did?) exist in ex-Yugoslavia ""Christian Muslims."" Tito defined the Muslim nation constitutionally, adding Muslims to Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes, the three founding nations which entered into a voluntary union at the end of WWI. In addition, Tito added two other nations constitutionally: Montenegrins, and Makedonijans. Nations had the right of secession, but republics did not. So, ""Muslim"" is much more a political term than a religious term (for those who differentiate between religion and politics, that is) in B-H. It was not a ""Christo-Slavic"" ideology that made a Muslim nation in Yugoslavia, it was the ""Atheist Communist"" ideology of Tito. Before Tito, there was no Muslim nation in Yugoslavia. The war is not a religious war, and it is not an ethnic war. It is a civil war in which the terms of secession are being negotiated with guns instead of pens. The Croat, Muslim, and Serb political leaders *all* chose to fight over the terms of secession instead of compromising and peacefully negotiating multilateral secession agreements. ",talk.politics.mideast 518," Another tip is to make sure you keep well to one side of the lane. This gives you a quicker escape route.",rec.motorcycles 519," Hello *.*, I'm looking for a good explanation and example of the usefulness of the -S option for xterm: slave mode on file descriptor xxx. Sure, but xterm -Sp00 does not seem to grab what arrives on my window. Where is my misunderstan- ding ? TIA. Fred. =========================================================================== Frederic PIERRE. ENSPS/LSIT 7 rue de l'universite F-67000 Strasbourg FRANCE Tel: (33) 88 35 80 84 Fax: (33) 88 35 31 76 e-mail: fred@sobel.u-strasbg.fr ==========================HamRadio: FC1HFD================================= ",comp.windows.x 520," Attention Penguins fans once again, apparently 99.999% of you understand that this was just a joke (Hence the :-) next to it) but one idiot on here doesn't as he got pissed at me and sent me two hate e-mails telling me that this is wrong. I have no intentions of sending e-mail to anyone should the Pens win tonight, and I really do not expect/do not intend to lead any of you to send this poster e-mail either. It was NOT a serious request. If you didn't know that (which you probably did) then don't do it. Thanks.",rec.sport.hockey 521,,None 522,.,None 523,"Using the usersub stuff in perl, you can incorporate things like curses for use in perl. I was wondering if anyone had done this with X (preferably Motif), and if so, where I could get the source for it? ",comp.windows.x 524," It is far from new. It's been around almost as long as dirt. I had one for one of my old bikes. Worked fine. I'm sure, being rigid and nonflexible, that the ""Cyclelok"" would yield instantly to the freeze and break routine. But then, for $40, what do ya want? Later,",rec.motorcycles 525," Heavens! Everybody but Phill is out of step! Once again, Phill lets us all know that might makes right -- but ONLY for the all-sacred government. -- ",talk.politics.guns 526," I want to subscribe, I am located in Israel and my name is David Gotlieb ",talk.politics.mideast 527,"Re; Response from CoB of Boeing on SSTO ... Boeing has been looking at several TSTO vehicles and has carried out extensive conceptual studies of advanced launch systems for some time. A good reference on this might be: ""Comparison of Propulsion Options for Advanced Earth-To-Orbit (ETO) Applications (IAF-92- 0639)."" by V.A. Weldon and L.E. Fink from Boeing. The paper describes a propane-fueled TSTO launch system claimed to achieve aircraft-like operational efficiencies without the problems associated with liquid hydrogen fuel. Basically, it's a high-speed airplane launching a Hermes-type spaceplane The design (the concept is also called ""Beta"") as laid out in the paper can launch at least 10,000 pounds into polar orbit, or 20,000 pounds to space station orbit including a crew of eight persons and life support. System design reliability is .9995. Beta is a 360-foot-long first stage powered by two large ramjets and 12 high- speed civil transport (HSCT) turbofans. A 108-foot- long reusable orbiter is trapeze-mounted in the belly of the first- stage aircraft, which also could accommodate a longer and heavy payload on an expendable second stage. To launch the orbital vehicle, the first stage takes off like a normal HSCT and accelerates to Mach 3. At that point the turbofans, modified to burn catalyzed JP-7, would shut off and the ramjets, would take over. At Mach 5.5 the orbiter or the ELV would swing out, ignite and proceed to orbit. Both vehicles would land like aircraft at the conclusion of their respective missions. Estimated total weight of the combined configuration at takeoff is about 1.5 M lbs, roughly equivalanet to a fully loaded An-225. The orbiter stages weighs about 400,Klbs including 335 Klbs of LOX and subcooled propane to power two 250 Klbs vacuum thrust rocket engines. Propellants would be stored at 91 degrees Kelvin, with the propane in a spherical tank mounted forward of the 15-by- 25-foot cargo bay and the two-seat orbiter crew station. LOX would be stored aft. Weldon and Fink claim the key to this design's success is the structurally efficient airframe and the compact tankage allowed by the high-density supercooled hydrocarbon fuel. The paper compares TSTO design to SSTO design. They conclude while a SSTO has a slightly lower recurring cost, a TSTO is easier, cheaper, and less risky to develop, simpler to build, has greater safety and mission versatility and doesn't carry the hard-to-handle and bulky hydrogen fuel. The conlcude ""In conjunction with its major use of airplane type engines and fuel, as well as its inherent self- ferry capability, it is probably the system most likely to provide as close to airline-like operations as possible with a practical configuration, until a single stage airbreather/rocket concept can be shown to be operationally viable."" Weldon and others at Boeing have been working on TSTO designs for some time. I expect this, or a similar concept (perhaps the HTHL SSTO they proposed for the SDIO SSTO first phase) is being re- examined as a basis for a bid on the first phase of SpaceLifter. Does it threaten DC-???. Possibly -- There is a set of on-going studies trying straighten out the government's future space transportation strategy. MDC and Boeing (as well as other firms) are providing data to a joint study team back in DC. There are various factions and options vying for attention -- including shuttle upgrades, shuttle replacement (what was called the ""4-2-3"" architecture), SpaceLifter, ELV upgrades, and various advanced vehicles (ALES, Beta, DC-??, NASP, FSTS, SSTOs of several types, etc.) NASA/DOD/DOT are trying to put together a coherent strategy for future US gov't space transportation systems, and trying to juggle near-term launch needs (like for DoD and NASA) against medium-term needs (including commercial considerations), and against the investment and risk of going to ""leap frog"" new technologies like SDIO/SSTO and NASP and Beta. It's a heck of a problem. The worst part of the problem isn't that there aren't promising ideas and concepts -- there are dozens of them -- but how they balance cost and risk versus real needs in the near term. They should have a draft report in mid-June, with a final report coming by the end of the fiscal year. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor ",sci.space 528,"I am writing this to find out the following: 1.) Any information on surgery to prevent reflux esophagitis. 2.) The name(s) of a doctor(s) who specialize in such surgery. 3.) Information on reflux esophagitis which leads to cancer. My boyfriend, age 34 and otherwise in good health, was diagnosed with reflux esophagitis and a hiatal hernia about 2 years ago. At that time he saw a gastroenterologist and has tried acid controllers (Mylanta, Tagamet), as well as a restricted diet and raising the head of his bed. These treatments were not effective and because the damage was worsening, he opted for a surgical repair 3 months ago. He was told there were two repair techniques that could fix the problem; a Nissen wrap and a ""Hill Repair"". He opted for the ""Hill Repair"". He recovered very well from the surgery itself but the pain he had originally is worse and in addition he now has trouble swallowing (including saliva). The doctor now wants to do an endoscopy and has also informed him that a biopsy might be necessary if he has a pre-cancerous condition which he called ""Barrett's Syndrome"". If he can't avoid having reflux will he necessarily get cancer? Basically, if anyone has any information on what he should do now, I'd appreciate it. Thanks,",sci.med 529," ESPN has been trying various things to get away from the follow-the-puck concept of televising hockey games. One of the main problems with hockey is that it is very difficult to show everything that is going on -- more happens away from the puck than in any other sport except maybe football and they can do iso's on football players to be shown between plays. The problem of course is that sometimes you get something worthwhile, other times you get burned.",rec.sport.hockey 530," Brian, does all this mean that you have to be well versed in ancient Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic in order to understand the core of Christianity? I hope you are not Catholic, because my Christian upbringing was based on the teachings of Luther, and the one of the core messages was basically that you don't need to know latin in order to learn about salvation. BTW, your statement would also eliminate about 99.5% of all the Christians in the world, as well. Cheers, Kent",talk.religion.misc 531," .DXF can not be changed over to .IFF format what it can be changed to is an object format used by one of the 3D programs on the Amiga. The only tools around are comercial for that conversion. ",comp.graphics 532," CNN reported tonight that some bodies were found with bullet holes in their heads. However, I have no information on the possible causes. This is not to say that Government stories are to be taken at the face value in this case, but to jump to conclusion at this stage may be the source of embarrassment in the future. Let's be paranoic, this may be a ploy to smoke out the opposition and decredit them. :-) Comparison of this incidence to Tienanmen Square is made in soc.culture.china. Just in case you need more ammunition to shoot at each other. :-) No matter which side you are on this Waco issue, are you ready to die defending your cause? Peace be with you.",talk.politics.guns 533,"Robert, I'm *so* glad that you posted your Biological Alchemy discussion. I've been compared to the famous Robert McElwaine by some readers of Sci. Med. I didn't know how to respond since I had not seen one of your posts(just like I haven't read ""The Yeast Connection""). Let me just start by stating that the authors of the ""Cold Fusion"" papers of recent years are now in scientific exile(I believe that one has actually left the country). Scientific fraud is rare. I'm still not sure that if a review of the research notes of the ""cold fusion scientists"" actually proved fraud or just very shoddy experimentation. Your sources do not seem to be research articles. They are more like lay texts designed to pique human interest in a subject area(just like the food combining and life extension texts). Robert, I try to keep an open mind. But some things I just can't buy(one is taking SOD orally to prevent oxidative damage in the body). Your experiment, if conducted by readers of this news group, would prove that you are right(more ash after seed sprouting than before). Unless you use a muffle furnance and obtain a very high temperature(above 600 degrees I believe), you will get organic residue in the ash. Even the residue in commercial incinerators contains organic residue. I remember doing this kind of experiment in my organic chemistry couurse in College but I couldn't find a temperature for mineral ash formation so I'm really guessing at 600 degrees F, it may actually be much higher. The point is that no one in their home could ever get a high enough temperature to produce *only* a mineral ash. They also could not measure the minerals so they could only weigh the ash and find out that you appear to be correct. Chemical reactions abound in our body, in our atmosphere, in our water and in our soil. Are these fusion reactions? Yes many of them do involve fusing oxygen, nitrogen and sulfur to both organics and inorganics. Do we really have the transformation of silicone to calcium if carbon is fused with silicon? Not in my book Robert. Silicon is the most abundant mineral on our planet. I've seen speculation that man could have evolved to be a silicon based rather than a carbon based life-form. I like reading science fiction, as many people do. But I know enough about biochemistry(and nutrition) to be able(in most cases) to separate the fiction from the fact. Silicon may be one of the trace elements that turns out to be essential in humans. We have several grams of the stuff in our body. What's it doing there? Only the Lord knows right now. But I will tell you what I do know about silicon and why, as you state, it helps bone healing(and it is not because silicon is transformed into calcium). Almost all of the silicon in the human body is found in the connective tissue(collagen and elastin). There have been studies published which show that the very high silicon content in elastin may be an important protective factor against atherosclerosis(the higher the silicon content in elastin, the more resistant the elastin is to a an age-related loss of elasticity which may play a role in the increase in blood pressure that is often seen as part of the ageing process in humans). For bone fracture healing, the first step is a collagen matrix into which calcium and phosphate are pumped by osteoblasts. A high level of silicon in the diet seems to speed up this matrix formation. This first step in the bone healing process seems to be the hardest for some people to get going. Electriacl currents have been used in an attempt to get the matrix forming cells oriented in the right direction so that the matrix can be formed in the gap(or gaps) between the ends of the broken bone. A vitamin C deficiency (by slowing collagen formation as well as causing the prodcution of defective collagen) does slow down both bone and wound healing. Zinc is also another big player in bone and wound healing. And so is silicon(in an undetermined role that most likely involes matrix formation and not transformation of silicon to calcium). For you to take this bone healing observation and use it as proof that silicon is transformed into calcium is an interesting little trick. But Robert, I have the same problem myself when I read the lay press(and yes even some scientific papers). Is the explanation reasonable? Without a very good science knowledge base, you and most readers of this news group are flying blind(you have to take it on faith because you don't know any better). If the explanation seems to make sense to me based on my knowledge base, I'm inclined to consider it(this usually means trying to find other sources that come to the same conclusion). If the idea(like a candida bloom) seems to make sense to me, I tend to pursue it as long as any advice that I'm going to give isn't going to really mess somebody up. If this makes us kindred souls Robert, then I guess I'll have to live with that label. For the physicians who have decided to read my response to Robert's interesting post, I hope that you saw the segment on the pediatric neurosurgeon last night on U.S. TV. I can't remember the network or his name(like many nights, I was on my computer and my wife was watching TV in our Den where I have my computer setup). This neurosurgeon takes kids with brain tumors that everyone else has given up on and he uses""unconventional"" treatments(his own words). He says that he has a 70% success rate. The one case that I heard him discussing would normally use radiation(conventional treatment). He was going to go in and cut. You guys complain about the cost of the anti-fungals. What do you think the cost difference between radiation treatment and surgery is guys? I'm going to ask you guys one more time, why blast a physician who takes the chronic sinus sufferer(like Jon) and the chronic GI sufferer(like Elaine) and tries to help them using unconventional treatments? Treatments which do not result in death(like those that the neurosurgeon uses?). Is it because candida blooms are not life-threatening while brain tumors are? How about quality of life guys? May the candida demon never cross your sinus cavity or gut(if it does, you may feel differently about the issue).",sci.med 534,"Hello everyone, I have an insurance question. Allstate insurance SITUATION: Person wrecks car. Car is drivable to dealer. Person reports accident (no other cars involved). Driver estimates damage cost exceedes cost of car. Insurance people claim car is ""totalled"" because of exceeding repair costs. Person says ""WWHHHAATTTT!!!! But I drove the car here!"" and takes it to another place. Other place estimates 2,101.00 in damage. 2,000 less than the dealer. One more hitch... The car is registered in Florida but the accident occurred in Pennsyvania. QUESTION: Should the insurance recognize and pay for the damages of this, now fixable, car even though they prematurly declared totalled? Please respond via E-Mail if you think you know anything about this sort of thing. chris@camp.wpic.pitt.edu",rec.autos 535,"OK, OK, OK. First, my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request, but here goes anyhow: I'm *very* interested in finding out how I might be able to get two tickets for the All Star game in Baltimore this year. My very aged folks live about 50 miles away and I know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game. I went with them, and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child, to the All Star game in DC many years ago. Although I'm now in the SF Bay Area, I'd *love* to be able to treat my folks to this game; it's absolutely the last chance they'd ever have to attend this g ame locally. Any info would be greatly appreciated!!!!",rec.sport.baseball 536," Yeah, right, and if the ATF trashes your place on a bad tip they have to pay to repair it, sure. And if your computer equipment is confisticated in a raid they have to charge you with a crime within, say, 90 days. You're stretching the naivete bit on this one.",sci.crypt 537," Good question! I kind of wondered about this myself. Just one thought I had on it - the Babe himself was IN ""Pride of the Yankees"", which made me think a) that version may be closer to the truth, and b) the Babe must have been a pretty good gut to be in the movie even though some of the scenes didn't make him look completely flattering. ",rec.sport.baseball 538,"I have a DFI Handy Scanner Model HS-3000Plus and a little bit of software running under dos to use it. I'd like to make more extensive use of this device (in particular, write a driver for it on unix). So, can anyone give me a description of how to talk to this device. It connects to the system via it's own interface card. Any info would help, it can't be too difficult to talk to :-)",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 539,"Does anyone know if there is a carrying case for the Centris 610? Thanks for any info. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 540,"We are looking for a public domain or low price CASE , running on AIX/6000 3.2 and/or SOLARIS 1.1 and/or SUN/OS 3.1, for X/Motif and/or X/OpenLook. I'm not a regular follower of these groups, so I would prefer an answer to this e-mail. Thanks in advance, Regards, --Osvaldo ",comp.windows.x 541,,None 542,"Whatever. Anyway, Elias should take a look at my quotes to find real, effective ways of getting your point across. Notice that all the quotes are recent. Buy a clue, Nazi man from up north.",talk.politics.mideast 543,"*** On 04-20-93 21:56, Tim King had the unmitigated gall to say this: TK> accidentally discovered that if a have a floppy from ONE particular TK> box of diskettets in the A drive when I boot up, rather than getting TK> the ""Non-system diskette"" message, the machine hangs and the CMOS TK> gets overwritten (luckily, Gateway sends a print of the standard Just a wild thought here, but how about this: there is a small boot program on every formatted diskette, whether or not it contains system files. It is this small program that prints the ""Non-System Disk"" error, not DOS. If this program tries to transfer control to a BIOS location that is nonstandard on the Gateway, then it could clear the BIOS. I don't think that the BIOS is overwritten, there is usually a small routine to clear the CMOS area, in case an invalid configuration prevents the machine from booting. I think that the boot code on the Fuji disks may inadvertantly call this routine. Just a thought. ... Don't hit me, Mr. Moderator... I'll go back on topic... I swear! --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 544," I tried Prozac a few months ago, and had some insomnia from it, but no anxiety or jitters. I probably could have lived with the insomnia if the Prozac had done any good, but it only provided a tiny benefit. Maybe because the person who prescribed it didn't know much and gave up after a 20mg dose didn't work. Now I'm seeing a psychiatrist who has put me on Zoloft (another serotonin reuptake inhibitor like Prozac). One pill/day (50mg) seemed to help some. Now I'm trying 100mg/day. Zoloft has fewer and milder side effects than Prozac. I think my doctor said that only 4% of the people taking Zoloft have to discontinue it because of side effects. The only problem I'm having is some minor GI distress, but nothing too annoying. Hopefully the Zoloft will work. Maybe your friend should try this one next. My psychiatrist's strategy seems to be to first try one of the serotonin drugs, usually Prozac. If that works, great. If it works but has too many side effects, try Zoloft or maybe Paxil. If the serotonin drugs don't work at all, try one of the tricyclics like desipramine. Having a doctor who knows something about antidepressants can make a big difference. My psychiatrist claims that most GPs and FPs don't have much experience in this area, and from what I've seen I'm inclined to believe him. I think I know more about antidepressants than the people at my family practitioner's office. Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor; what I know about this comes from talking to my psychiatrist and reading sci.med. ",sci.med 545,"Would someone please post or email the feature connector pin assignments? This is sometimes referred to as the aux video connector in some documentation. Thanks astrachan@austlcm.sps.mot.com",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 546,"As we see right now, the position of influence enjoyed by parties favoring the negotiation process is tenuous at best. The local ""elections"" in Hebron that the PLO was expected to win (perhaps adding a bit to its flagging position of ""legitimacy"" in the eyes of Palestinians and the Middle East) have been disrupted by Hamas actions overtly directed towards undermining those (and all West Bank) elections. The present ruling Israeli Labor coalition seems to be one rather thin political ice. The Palestinian delegation has been reduced from 14 to three to protest Israel ""lack of seriousness"" in the talks and refusal to reverse all the deportations immediately. Hopefully, however, each of the parties will begin to learn that just the fact that negotiations are taking place *does not mean* they are giving anything away to ""the other side"" (which was/is the favorite argument of the ""rejectionists""). Let's hope that discusion and inevitable disagreement on major issues leads at the same time to some agreement on smaller ""interim"" (""phase"", whatever term we prefer) steps to be taken. ",talk.politics.mideast 547,"Actually I am entering vet school next year, but the question is relevant for med students too. Memorizing large amounts has never been my strong point academically. Since this is a major portion of medical education -- anatomy, histology, pathology, pharmacology, are for the most part mass memorization -- I am a little concerned. As I am sure most med students are. Can anyone suggest techniques for this type of memorization? I have had reasonable success with nemonics and memory tricks like thinking up little stories to associate unrelated things. But I have never applied them to large amounts of ""data"". Has anyone had luck with any particular books, memory systems, or cheap software? Can you suggest any helpful organizational techniques? Being an older student who returned to school this year, organization (another one of my weak points) has been a major help to my success. Please no griping about how all you have to do is ""learn"" the material conceptually. I have no problem with that, it is one of my strong points. But you can't get around the fact that much of medicine is rote memorization. ",sci.med 548," there is NO evidence of effect of gun buyback programs but hopefully if there is any effect it may prevent injuries or deaths in one of these types of common incidents. Firearms are the fifth-leading cause of unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under. I don't understand how the ratio to other accidental deaths is important. So guns don't kill as many children as car accidents. What is the difference in severity between 1,000 deaths and 10,000 deaths? I am not trying to use accidental gun-related deaths among children as a justification for gun control. Who needs to be convinced that accidental gun deaths of children is a serious problem? I assumed that any humane person would be concerned when any 10 year old got hold of their parents gun from their bedroom drawer and accidently blew away one of their friends. My point was, gun buyback programs which are almost always run by police departments MIGHT (I stress might) do a LITTLE (I stress little) good by giving people the impression that the police are attempting to respond to interpersonal gun violence in a unique way. Overall, I thought that I had made it clear that I did not think that gun buyback programs were useful. Well Joe, I suggest that you talk to the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence or the Centers for Disease Control. If YOU look carefully you will see that YOU greatly underestimate the presence of guns in the lives of youths. The CPHV reports that 135,000 youth bring GUNS to school DAILY and that 400,000 bring GUNS to school at least once a year. The CDC estimates that 1 out 0f 25 high school students carried a gun to school at least once in 1990. The CDC also says that 1.2 million elementary-aged, latch-key children (kids who come home from school to an empty house), have access to guns in their home. California schools reported a 200% increase in student gun confiscations between 1986 and 1990, and a 40% increase between 1988 and 1990. Florida reported a 61% percent increase in gun incidents in schools between 1986/87 amd 1987/88. These are the ""statistics"". Okay, maybe I worded it wrong...DAD. I meant that to put children in a situation (fortified compound) where harm could come to them is not the act of a Messiah in my opinion. I'm not saying that Koresh had control over these children directly, but I would hope that whatever Messiah there is would not let innocent children die. If as he claimed he was the Messiah and people followed him as such, why did he not tell their parents to free the children instead of letting them burn alive? Thanks for the reality check Joe, its been real.",talk.politics.guns 549," The FT-500 is a good beginner's bike with: * a reasonable seating position * enough power to get you up and around, but not so much it'll scare the bejeebers out of you * tips over well, and easy to pick up (don't ask) * simple maintenance I've had mine for four or so years, and haven't had any serious problems with it. I bought it used for $750 with about 8000 miles on it. Just last week, someone in the neighborhood stopped by to ask me about it; whether I thought it was a good beginner's bike, is it comfortable and powerful enough, blah blah blah... Seems he found one used for < $500 with about 3600 miles on it. The reall ""trick"" mod I've heard was to take the front end from a 600 hurricane and slide it in. This was from a guy who campaigns two Ascots in SOS racing. He says they do pretty well too, once you strip off the starter, lights and other assorted street paraphernalia, its a pretty fast and light bike.",rec.motorcycles 550," Not without replacing most of the chips on the motherboard. The C610 isn't like the IIsi was, meaning that the motherboard of the C610 is actually designeds to run at the speed of the CPU, and not designed to run at a higher speed (like 25MHz) but be forced to run at the speed of a slower CPU (20MHz). There is more than one oscillator. If you are talking about the CPU oscillator chip, I think that it is located under the socket for the '040. At least this is what I have read in some other posts in this group.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 551," Yes, 4 points, in really big holes which are fairly clear of most of the other stuff on the board. If you can replace the battery, you can install the battery holder.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 552," I believe that this is not quite correct. My understanding is that LDS is engaged on a project to ""convert"" the souls of deceased persons of other religions, in order to spare them from damnation and gain them entrance into heaven. To this end, the Church has compiled extensive genaeological records, so that they will know the names of people to convert. A long article in the New Yorker a few years ago described the LDS research methods in some detail (for example, some researchers pay visits to local native storytellers to learn the names of people long dead). This sounds like just the sort of lie that would be made up about any unusual religion, but the New Yorker story convinced me that there is some truth to it (the New Yorker used to do extensive fact-checking, and the story was quite detailed).",talk.politics.guns 553," Do not presume to tell me what I have and have not read. The system may not rely upon registering people as owning particular phone units, but it is necessary to know which phone units are likely to be used for some suspected criminal communication before you can obtain their unit keys from escrow. This necessity raises the stakes in favor of a criminal's coercing or colluding use of some other person's Clipper phone. I will restate my assumptions more explicitly and amplify my argument. The original title perhaps should have been ""Distinction between legal and illegal cipher systems considered harmful"", but ""Clipper considered harmful"" is not inaccurate, and is more eye-catching in the current context. Assumptions: 1. Clipper is made available. 2. Laws are passed to make use of cipher systems other than Clipper illegal (either on radio systems, or on any common carrier system). These laws also include enforcement authority to listen across the relevant radio spectrum (or other medium), characterize signals, validate Clipper wrappers, detect probable use of non-Clipper ciphers, and make such detection a cause for further action. 3. For escrowed keys to be useful, some specific Clipper chip must be associated with a suspected criminal. This means that at a minimum some association between the common carrier's unique phone ID (ESN) and the Clipper chip serial number N will be stored in a government database. An observed pairing of N and ESN other than the one recorded raises a red flag. 4. To reduce ordinary fraud, the cellphone system which offers Clipper will also be constructed with an ESN mechanism much more tamper-proof and much less spoofable than today's cellphones. 5. Criminals want inscrutable communications. Some criminals are not entirely stupid or ignorant, and will figure out both that Clipper cellphones offer excellent security in normal circumstances, and that they offer no security against law enforcement once a (presumably legitimate) wiretap order exists. They will also figure out that the wiretap order must necessarily be against a specific cellphone, because each one has a unique unit key. 6. Criminals do not want to call attention to themselves. Because they are not stupid or ignorant (or because they read netnews), and because they know that their open use of a non-Clipper cipher is likely to be detected, they will generally avoid using non-Clipper ciphers directly on some monitorable/tappable channel. They know that do so would raise a red flag, putting a given cellphone (if not a given person) under immediate suspicion. 7. It is impractical to reverse engineer Skipjack, discover family key F, and construct a functional clone of a Clipper chip. By #2, #3, #4, and #7 it will be very difficult to spoof a given Clipper phone without immediate detection. Because it is difficult to obscure one's association to a specific phone by reprogramming or changing chips around, the criminal will be motivated to find an intact phone which is associated with someone else. A non-stupid criminal will conclude that they can have Clipper-secure communications, at least for some limited time T, if they buy, beg, borrow, or steal use of someone's phone in a way that prevents that person from reporting compromise of the phone for at least time T. The encrypted communications might have been recorded, and thus be retrievable later, but the criminal can delay, and quite likely evade, discovery by destroying or abandoning the phone before T elapses. It would be unusual for an innocent person to volunteer use of their Clipper phone to someone else. The honest subscriber doesn't want to pay someone else's bill, and he doesn't want to fall under suspicion. This leaves two sources of Clipper phones for criminal use: coercion and collusion. Coercion first. Theft bears a relatively low risk, but also sometimes a low time until detection (a few minutes if a phone is stolen from a car parked in front of a store, a couple of weeks if a phone is stolen from someone who is away on vacation). Criminal commerce is likely to arise in stolen Clipper phones, with phones coming from risk-inured poor criminals, and cash coming from risk-averse wealthy criminals. Someone who is extraordinarily motivated to gain a day or two of undetected communication (like a terrorist) could kill a person or hold them hostage. The limited time (before detection) that a coerced phone is useful means that continuing criminal enterprises require a continuing supply of freshly coerced phones. There would also be created a collusive commerce between relatively wealthy criminals, and ignorant or don't-care patsies who need money, and who will submit to being paid in return for subscribing to Clipper phone service for someone else's use. Criminals will learn that it is more to their advantage to coerce use of a Clipper cellphone than it is to apply a non-Clipper cipher to a normal cellphone. They will call much less attention to themselves (or at least to their stolen phone) this way. The fact of a phone's use being coerced must first be reported before it can be identified as an interesting phone, and have its keys obtained from escrow. Clipper also allows an extraordinary opportunity for the criminal to conceal use of super-encryption. An automated full-system surveillance mechanism (quite feasible across radio bandwidth) which knows family key F, can validate Clipper wrappers and N:ESN associations, but it cannot reveal in realtime the use of super-encryption, unless it knows all unit keys, which we are being assured are only to be made available in two separate pieces, upon specific wiretap-like order. Whereas a criminal's use of any cipher within a normally cleartext medium would stand out, a criminal's use of a non-Clipper cipher within a Clipper medium would be very difficult to detect, even ex post facto in bulk recordings, as long as the association between criminal and specific Clipper chip is fractured. If you make use of this other cipher illegal per se, then you can charge the criminal with this (if you can identify the true criminal - he'll be using someone else's phone), but you'll have no evidence to help you against whatever traditional crime he might have been planning. You will not even be able to detect that unusual (encrypted) communications are occurring until you identify specific phones and obtain their keys from escrow. The gangster and terrorist are thus arguably more, not less, secure than they were before Clipper came along. I therefore consider Clipper harmful because: 1. It does not provide absolute privacy to the honest public against aggressive or dishonest government. 2. If other ciphers are proscribed, it engenders new types of direct criminal threat to the honest public. 3. It provides an extraordinarily effective mechanism for criminals to hide their use of some other cipher, making it more difficult than ever even to gain notice that unusual communications are occurring and that plans for some criminal act might be in progress. 4. If other ciphers are proscribed, lazy investigators and prosecutors are more likely to pursue the easily quantifiable cipher-use crime than they are the traditional and directly harmful crimes which key escrow is claimed to help against. 5. If other ciphers are proscribed, the stage is set for witch hunting of ""illegal"" cipher use. Because any computer can be used as a cipher machine...",sci.crypt 554," Considering how often and how badly he has slammed the Pens on Coach's Corner on Hockey Night in Canada, it would surprise me as well. But then, people will do anything for money, won't they? ",rec.sport.hockey 555," >supposed to develop cryptosystems. If the government chooses to go >ahead and sell those cryptosystems to the masses, so be it.",sci.crypt 556,"I am boring my sister HP DeskJet 500C for the weekend and I was wondering in their was any drivers for it available some where that would allow me to use it with my Mac SE/30. I have a copy of MacPrint but I do think that I have a driver for the 500C. I would be happy to get it working in black & white, but if there is away to get the color working that would be better. Any ideas someone? Regards, ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 557," May I ask why they are afraid to do so? --- Speaking of proofs of God, the funniest one I have ever seen was in a term paper handed in by a freshman. She wrote, ""God must exist, because he wouldn't be so mean as to make me believe he exists if he really doesn't!"" Is this argument really so much worse than the ontological proofs of the existence of God provided by Anselm and Descartes, among others?",alt.atheism 558,"Is it just me or is the camera work on some of these games really sad?? I can't remember how many times during the Penguins-Devils game they showed some guy (without the puck) being checked in the corner while the puck was being fired on goal. In fact, I think they even missed one goal completely because they were showing two guys holding each other in the corner. Now the last time I watched a football game, they didn't show the lineman going at it while the running back turned the corner for a touchdown . . . . Is it just me?? ",rec.sport.hockey 559,"Hi everyone, I'm trying to find my way to God, but find it difficult as I can't hear God talking to me, letting me know that he exists and is with me and that he knows me, and I feel that I can't possibly get to know him until he does. Maybe he _is_ talking to me but I just don't know or understand how to listen. Some Christians tell me that (in their opinion) the only way to find God is to take a plunge and commit your life to him, and you will discover. This idea of diving into the totally unknown is a little bit frightening, but I have a few questions. 1) How do you actually commit yourself? If I just say, ""OK God, her you go, I'm committing my life to you"", I wouldn't really feel that he'd listened - at least, I couldn't be sure that he had. So how does one (or how did you) commit oneself to God? 2) In committing myself in this way, what do I have to forfeit of my current life? What can I no longer do? I feel that I'm as 'good' as many Christians, and I try to uphold the idea of 'loving your neighbour' - I don't go round killing people, stealing, etc., and I try not to get jealous of other people in any way - and I would say that I keep to the standards of treating other people as well as many Christians. So what do I have to give up? 3) When committed, what do I have to do? What does it involve? What (if any) burdens am I taking on? 4) So then, what's the general difference before and after? I assume, that (like on your birthday you don't suddenly feel a year older) it won't suddenly change my life the day I commit myself. So what happens? 5) How can I be sure that it is the right thing to do? How can I find out what the 'it' in the last sentence actually _is_?! Thanks very much for all your help in answering these questions. Perhaps e-mail would be a better way to reply, but it's up to you.",soc.religion.christian 560," I have been checking out bikes (hoping for lowish seats) for a few weeks. A Honda Twinstar (250cc) fit me well, a Honda Hawk (400cc) did not, the Kawasaki 250HB/SB/SH? (can't remember) looked like it would fit me well but the price tag was way too large... Please post this list or mail me one too! (:",rec.motorcycles 561,"Stuff deleted I reiterate that I would agree with you that there is little justification for the punishment of apostasy in the Qur'an. In Islamic history, as well, apostasy has rarely been punished. Belief is considered a matter of conscience and since there is to be no compulsion in the matter of belief, apostates have been generally left to believe or not believe as they will. However, when an apostate makes attacks upon ""God and His Messenger"" the situation changes. Now the charge of apostasy may be complicated with other charges - perhaps charges of sedition, treason, spying, etc. If the person makes a public issue of their apostasy or mounts public attacks (as opposed to arguement) against Islam, the situation is likewise complicated. If the person spreads slander or broadcasts falsehoods, again the situation changes. The punishments vary according to the situation the apostate is in. Anyhow, the charge of aggravated apostasy would only be a subsidiary charge in Rushdie's case. There is a distinction in the Qur'an between a formal war situation and being in the situation where someone unilaterally wages war (by their actions), creates disorder, makes mischief,etc. against the Muslims and creates a situation that results in harm to Muslims. Here, a small group or even a single individual could be said to be engaged in such a practise. In other words, there is a clear difference between a formal war situation (where two clearly defined parties wage war, conclude treaties, exchange prisoners, etc.), and dealing with attacks that come from isolated individuals or groups against Islam. It is the second situation, the unilateral attack and the spreading of ""fasad"" that would apply in the case of Rushdie. The matter of Rushdie is not a simple matter of banning an offensive book (banning the book is secondary) - a full set of circumstances following the publication of the book come into play as well, including the deaths of many Muslims, and Rushdie's (and his publishers) Media games. I am not sure which hadith you are referring to above. I believe that one of the Qur'anic verses on which the fatwa is based is 5:33. Every verse in the Qur'an has a corresponding ""circumstance of revelation"" but in no way is the understanding (the tafsir) of the verse restricted solely to the particular historical circumstance in which it was revealed. If this was the case then we could say that all the laws and regulations that were revealed when the Muslims were NOT involved in conflict, should be suspended when they were at war. The logic does not follow. In complex, real-life situations, there may be many verses and many hadiths which can all be related to a single, complicated situation. The internal relationships between these verses may be quite complex, such that arriving at an understanding of how the verses interlock and how each applies to the particular situation can be quite a demanding task. It is not necessarily a simple ""this or that"" process. There may be many parameters involved, there may be a larger context in which a particular situation should be viewed. All these matters impinge on the situation. In other words there is a great deal involved in deciphering the Qur'an. The Qur'an asks us to reflect on its verses, but this reflection must entail more than simply reading a verse and its corresponding hadith. If the reflection is for the sake of increasing personal piety, then each person has his own level of understanding and there is no harm in that. However, if the reflection is in order to decide matters that pertain to the State, to the gestation of laws and rulings, to the gestation of society, the dispensing of justice, the guidance of the community, then there are certain minimum requirements of understanding that one should achieve. Jaffar Ibn Muhammad as-Sadiq(a.s.) relates some of these requirements, as taught by the Prophet(S.A.), in a hadith: ""...he who does not distinguish in the Book of Allah the abrogating verse from the abrogated one, and a specific one from a general one, and a decisive from an ambiguous; and does not differentiate between a permission and an obligation, and does not recognize a verse of Meccan period from a Medinite one, and does not know the circumstances of revelation, and does not understand the technical words of the Qur'an (whether simple or compound); and does not comprehend the knowledge of decree and measure, and is ignorant of advancing and delaying (in its verses); and does not distinguish the clear from the deep, nor the manifest from the esoteric, nor the beginning from the termination; and is unaware of the question and the answer, the disjoining and the joining, and the exceptions and the all-inclusive, and is ignorant of an adjective of a preceding noun that explains the subsequent one; and is unaware of the emphasized subject and the detailed one, the obligatory laws and the permissions, the places of the duties and rules, and the meaning of the lawful and the unlawful; and does not know the joined words, and the words that are related to those coming before them, or after them - then such a man does not know the Qur'an; nor is he among the people of the Qur'an...."". Based on these and other hadiths, and in accordance with many Qur'anic verses (""Why should not a company from every group remain behind to gain profound understanding (tafaqquh) in religion and to warn people when they return to them, so that they may beware."" (9:122)), a science of jurisprudence arose. The requirements for a person to be considered a mujtahid (one who can pronounce on matters of law and religion) are many. I've listed a few major divisions below - there are, of course, many subdivisions within these headings. - Knowledge of Arabic (syntax, conjugation, roots, semantics, oratory). - Knowledge of tafsir and principles of tafsir. - Logic (mantiq) - A knowledge of Hadiths - A knowledge of transmitters (rijal) - Knowledge of the principles of juriprudence (Qur'an, Sunnah, Consensus, Reasoning) The study of Qur'an and sunnah for purposes of law involves: - discussion of imperatives (awamir) - discussion of negative imperatives (nawahi) - discussion of generalities and particularities (aam wa khas) - discussion of unconditional and conditional - discussion of tacit meanings - discussion of the abstract and the clear - discussion of the abrogator and the abrogated The principles of Application of the law involves: - principles of exemption - principles of precaution - principles of option - principles of mastery The jurisprudent is bound to go through a very rigorous process in pronouncing judgement on a given situation. It is not a matter of looking at one verse and one hadith. Now no one should blindly follow anyone, but there is a difference between blind following and acceding to the opinion of someone who is clearly more knowledgeable and more qualified than oneself. There is the ""The fuqaha (religious scholars) are the trustees of the Prophet, as long as they do not concern themselves with the illicit desires, pleasures, and wealth of this world."" The Prophet (S.A.) was asked: ""O Messenger of God! How may we know if they so concern themselves?"" He (S.A.) replied: ""By seeing whether they follow the ruling power. If they do that, fear for your religion and shun them."" I do not yet know enough about the Imams of the four Sunni madhabs to comment on how this hadith applies to them or to the contemporary scholars who base themselves upon them. The Prophet also refered to the fuqaha as ""The fortress of Islam"". My only point is to make it clear that arriving at a legal judgement calls into play a certain amount of expertise - the specifics of this expertise is delineated in the Qur'an and hadith. Those who acquire this expertise are praised in both the Qur'an and hadith - those who without the requisite knowledge pronounce on matters that affect society, state, and religion are cautioned. The only reason I said anything at all about the Rushdie affair in this group, is because the whole basis for the discussion of the fatwa (that is, apostasy), was wrong. When one discusses something they should at least base their discussion on fact. Secondly, Khomeini was condemned as a heretic because he supposedly claimed to be infallible - another instance of creating a straw man and then beating him. I agree that we should move the discussion to another newsgroup. Unfortunately, I do not have any access to email, so private discussion or a moderated group is out of the question (I cannot post to a moderated group like soc.religion.islam. How about soc.culture.arabic or talk.religion.misc?",alt.atheism 562," I am one of those folks who traded UP from a 500 to an Audio Research SP9 II! :-)",sci.electronics 563,,None 564," The subject line says it all. What is the rule that qualifies a pitcher as making a save? ",rec.sport.baseball 565,"Below is the list of large (at least 18 inches diagonal) monochrome monitors which Computer Shopper lists as PC compatible. I've omitted Radius because Radius states that they no longer support the PC. You will notice that Nanao is the only one which supports a 31.5Khz horizontal frequency, which is the frequency normally used by VGA cards at boot up. My guess is that all the other monitors come with their own graphics cards. I've left voice mail with Nanao asking them to send me some literature, and will report back to the net after I've studied it. The prices given appear to be list prices and have little relationship to reality. Kenneth Almquist --------------------------------- cut here --------------------------------- Cornerstone Technology 1990 Concourse Dr. San Jose, CA 95131 408-435-8900 DualPage 120: Diagonal: 19 inches Max Resolution: 1600x1280 Frequencies: 105Khz horizontal, 76Hz vertical Dimensions: 19x18x17 inches Price: $1495 Compatible with: PC;PS/2 DualPage 150: Diagonal: 19 inches Max Resolution: 2048x1538 Frequencies: 105Khz horizontal, 67Hz vertical Dimensions: 19x18x17 inches Price: $1595 Compatible with: PC;PS/2 Ikegami Electronics (U.S.A.), Inc. 37 Brook Ave. Maywood, NJ 07670 201-368-9171 DM-2010AD: Diagonal: 20 inches Max Resolution: 1280x1024 Frequencies: 48-64Khz horizontal, 59-80Hz vertical Price: $995 Compatible with: PC Image Systems Corp. 11595 K-Tel Hopkins, NM 55343 800-462-4370 or 612-935-1171 M21LMAX: Diagonal: 21 inches Max Resolution: 2048x1536 Frequencies: 48-108Khz horizontal, 60-80Hz vertical Dimensions: 17x20x19 inches Price: $1995 Compatible with: PC;PS/2;Mac M21LV-65MAX: Diagonal: 21 inches Max Resolution: 1280x1024 Frequencies: 15-65Khz horizontal, 55-90Hz vertical Price: $4695 Compatible with: PC;PS/2;Mac M21PMAX : Diagonal: 21 inches Max Resolution: 1280x1664 Frequencies: 48-108Khz horizontal, 60-80Hz vertical Dimensions: 19x15x17 inches Price: $2500 Compatible with: PC;PS/2;Mac M24PMAX : Diagonal: 24 inches Max Resolution: 1280x1664 Frequencies: 48-108Khz horizontal, 60-80Hz vertical Dimensions: 22x18x18 inches Price: $2600 Compatible with: PC;PS/2;Mac Nanao USA Corp. 23535 Telo Ave. Torrence, CA 90505 310-325-5202 FlexScan 6500: Diagonal: 21 inches Max Resolution: 1664x1200 Frequencies: 31.5;56-80Khz horizontal, 55-90Hz vertical Dimensions: 18x20x17 inches Price: $1989 Compatible with: PC;PS/2;Mac Ran-Ger Technologies, Inc. [Address unknown] The Genuis Model 1920M: Diagonal: 19 inches Max Resolution: 1280x1024 Frequencies: 64Khz horizontal, 60Hz vertical Dimensions: 17x19x17 inches Price: $950 Compatible with: PC Sampo Corp. of America P. O. Box 105084 Atlanta, GA 30348 404-449-6220 ImagePRO 120: Diagonal: 20 inches Max Resolution: 1600x1280 Frequencies: 81Khz horizontal, 72Hz vertical Price: $1995 Compatible with: PC OfficePRO IIe: Diagonal: 20 inches Max Resolution: 1280x1024 Frequencies: 75Khz horizontal, 70Hz vertical Price: $1549 (Advertized $999 pg. 390 April Shopper) Compatible with: PC Samsung Electronics America, Inc. [Address unknown. You could try Samsung Information Systems, Inc. 3655 N. 1st. St. San Joes, CA 95134 408-434-5400] PageMaster 2 (MU9511A/AM): Diagonal: 20 inches Max Resolution: 1280x1024 Frequencies: 66Khz horizontal, 63Hz vertical Dimensions: 18x18x15 inches Price: $899 Compatible with: PC;Mac Sigma Designs, Inc. 47900 Bayside Pkwy. Freemont, CA 94583 510-770-0100 L-View: Diagonal: 19 inches Max Resolution: 1664x1200 Frequencies: 75Khz horizontal, 60-92Hz vertical Dimensions: 18x19x17 inches Price: $1099 Compatible with: PC;PS/2;Mac L-View Multimode: Diagonal: 19 inches Max Resolution: 1664x1200 Frequencies: 75Khz horizontal, 60-92Hz vertical Dimensions: 18x19x17 inches Price: $1299 Compatible with: PC;PS/2;Mac MultiMode 120: Diagonal: 19 inches Max Resolution: 1664x1200 Frequencies: 94.7Khz horizontal, 76-116Hz vertical Dimensions: 18x19x17 inches Price: $1299 (min) Compatible with: PC",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 566,"How can one dump to the printer, the content of a VGA screen. If it were a text screen, we can execute a shift printscr. but with graphics, we have to do a pixed by pixel print. It would be greatly appreciated if someone can supply source code for this. Alternately, are there commercial or shareware programs that are available to do this. I must be able to shell out of my program to execute this print screen. Therefore, it would be prefferable to have source code. Thank you in advance -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rickey Tom | Internet Style: aruba!rickt@uu2.psi.com Programmer/Analyst Project ZE | UUCP : ...!uunet!uupsi2!aruba!rickt",comp.graphics 567,"mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (John Bell) babbles from Scotland, one of England's last remaining colonies: People who were dumb enough to believe Klinton was a moderate deserve what they get too. It's a real laugh to hear them try to justify this massacre with bullsh*t about how concerned they were about how our tax money was was being spent. (Wasting money keeping Texans alive? Hell no. let's spend it to import Haitians with AIDS so we can treat them at taxpayer expense. %^P ) So what? The Feds killed 90+ civilians when they ""ran out of patience"", to use their own phrase. If the Feds hadn't attacked them, they'd all be home eating dinner with their families tonight. Too bad, but they started it. Maybe next time they'll think twice. That's worth 4 stormtroopers. Nobody says he is. What he was was a victim of a left-wing government, that violated its pledge to protect and uphold the Constitution, run amok. Don't worry, though dweeb, we're gonna take it back. (Hey, I'm a white guy, but would it be OK if I quoted Malcolm X here, and said ""by any means necessary""? Nah, never mind. We can do this legally... NO, you're just a brainless f*cking trogladyte. Go beat up some soccer fans. Ignorance is bliss, so drool on with that stupid smile on your face when people die needlessly. I hope a badger climbs up your kilt. (Don't expect these UKies to care about this, folks... these bastards never did like the idea that we Americans had the means to defend ourselves and wouldn't stand for tyranical governments, which is why we sent them packing back to their dreary little island with their tails between their legs twice.) ",talk.politics.guns 568,"I am considering the purchse of a 1987 VW Jetta GLI with 87k miles on it. I recently found out that there are two versions of the GLI -- 8v and 16v. I know of three differences between the two cars that both carry the same name: the 16v version has 20 more horsepower, 4 wheel discs, and a standard sunroof. Oops, that's the difference between the GLI 16v and the regular GL !! So in addition to the engine, what other differences exist between the two models of the Jetta GLI ? More importantly, how can I tell which version this one is ? There are no badges that said ""16v"" so I am inclined to think that is the 8v version. Assuming this one (the one I looked at) is the 8v version, is there a valid reason to buy it instead of a comparably equipped GL which would cost less ? (Of course I would love to get the 16v version, but money talks.)",rec.autos 569," Actually, for digital HDTV systems that's far higher bandwidth than you need, unless there's some reason you must work in fully-uncompressed HDTV. Also, my calculations is that each frame should be well under 6MB, even using 24 bits/pixel (which is more bits than you actually need - 15 or 18 should be enough for a moving picture). 1600x1100x16bits is 3.5MB (I'm guessing at HDTV resolution - it may be a bit wider than 1600, I'm fairly sure of the 1100 number for most of the digital proposals). I hope you have a very fast memory system as well - 180MB/s while displaying will require a heavily interleaved VRAM system. Unless you have a _very_ compelling reason, I'd advise trying to use at least somewhat compressed data. You don't have to go to full compression to get to a level where the data IO requirements are much cheaper and easier to deal with. -- GNU Emacs is a LISP operating system disguised as a word processor. - Doug Mohney, in comp.arch",comp.graphics 570,")Many high-end graphics cards come with C source code for doing basic graphics )sorts of things (change colors, draw points/lines/polygons/fills, etc.). Does )such a library exist for generic VGA graphics cards/chips, hopefully in the )public domain? This would be for the purpose of compiling under a non-DOS )operating system running on a standard PC. Check the server code for X11R5. (or ""XFree86"")",comp.graphics 571," No wonder you clown are in such a mess. Let's take Sarkis Atamian's (an Armenian Dashnak sociolog) book, ""The Armenian Community"", pages 97 and 105. Atamian quotes: ""... the immediate question concerned itself with the organization and tactics of revolution. The liberation of Armenia, the immediate aim of the Party, was to be attained by: 1. Oral and written propaganda. 2. Terrorism - both as punishment against the enemy and as a measure of self defense. 3. The creation of an avant-garde of revolutionary groups to be equipped and prepared for action when other nations were prepared for a general uprising. 4. The organization of larger committees to be in constant contact with each other and subject to a central body. 5. Organization of units of guerilla fighters."" Now, on page 105, Atamian's book quotes of Armenian constitution: ""... If the means was revolution, how was the revolution to be attained? By: 1. Propaganda 2. Preparation of combat units and their indoctrination 3. Encouragement of the revolutionary morale of the people 4. The arming of the people 5. Organization of revolutionary committees 6. Espionage throughout the country and the exchange of information with the official bodies and journals 7. Organization of financial zones for public collection 8. 'Fighting and using' the weapon of the terror on corrupt government officers, spies, traitors, grafters, and all sorts of oppressors 9. Defense of the people against attacks from the brigandry 10. Building of roads for the transport of arms 11. Wrecking and looting of governmental institutions."" Many of the recent Armenian terrorist acts against the Turkish people were committed by the brainwashed members of the ""Tzeghagron"", namely, ""race-worshipers"" of the Dashnag Youth Organization. Ironically, again, Tzeghagron was set up by an undisputed Armenian Nazi, Karekin Nejdeh, in 1941 (see Atamian, loc cit, page 389). Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 572," Have you tried having your scsi bus balanced?",None 573," That would be nice, but considering professional diplomats between Israel and Athe Arabs have been unable to do so for 45 years, I can't see us starting. But hey - as soon as anyone wants to discuss things reasonably and in a scholarly manner, count me in. Anyway the responses were mostly negative and I've been People have very strong opinions and you need to be careful regarding what you say - if you say, make it factual and be able to back it up. Thanks for teaching us about the civilized world, Andi. I guess we all just came out either the desert or the ghetto, right? And no, we are not paid Israeli lobbyists nor are we conspirators of the ZOG - we are just people who believe in our cause and find offense when people imply some sort dirty dealing or disloyalty due to our love of Israel (disguised as ""paid Israeli lobbyists"" - what kind of image is that?) Oh! Thank you! I needed your approval of my heritage. I guess I can go home and feel good now and sleep comfartably knowing that Jews _really_ aren't worse people than anyone else, contrary to what we all _know_ is true.",talk.politics.mideast 574,"Yes, Matt, dear Newbie, best advice is read here foe a few days. This is your best source of info. (Kinda makes me glad that I discovered r.m well after I got into riding-- could I have possibly sounded like *that* otherwise? --eesh.) BTW Matt, despite the insults you are destined to face, great move on taking the MSF course. It will save your butt. Good Luck,",rec.motorcycles 575,"Looking for a Mac PB 100 that's in good condition (brand new, w/warranty would be ideal). It should also include the external floppy drive and have at least a 40 MEG internal hard drive with 4 MEG of RAM. So... if you have a PB100 that you'd like to turn into cash, please write me. Thanks, very much.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 576," [""it"" is Big Bang] Since you asked... from the Big Bang to the formation of atoms is about 10E11 seconds. As for the ""color"": bright. Very very bright. I don't. I believe the current theory of cosmology because it is fairly well supported by observational evidence (not as well supported as, say evolution or relativity, but that's another matter). You're the one who proposes unquestioningly accepting religious dogma as fact (apologies if you're not actually a creationist). The line is broader than you think. Theories are supported by evidence. Miracles are supported by someone's say-so. ",talk.religion.misc 577,"[deleted] [deleted] Ok, so those scientists can get around the atmosphere with fancy computer algorythims, but have you looked ad the Hubble results, the defects of the mirror are partially correctable with software (see those jupiter pictures for results), but is the effects are completely reversable, why is there going to be a shuttle mission to fix it? The way I see it (and please, astromomers give me a swift net-kick in the butt if i'm out of the ball park), the astromers are making the best of limited possiblities, there's only one hubble, and the shuttle makes another in the near future a non-thought. Perhaps those self same billboards could have small optical receptors of a limited kind mounted on the reverse sides of the mirror's (if that is what is used) and then the whole thing becomes a giant array telescope... -- ",sci.space 578,"Hi everybody out there, I just got the third beta release disk (march 93) of WindowsNT and still am not able to boot up that system. The final step achieved is the display of IO-error 0x0069. But, since this is the beta release of the SDK for NT and not of NT, Microsoft does not include a manual on the OS itself, explaining what this error means of what I can do to get rid of. My configuration is: Mainboard Hauppauge 4860-25, rev. A7 (a 486 with socket for i860) 28megs of memory (512k*36,1M*36,2M*36) AMI EISA SCSI controller (15series), latest bios, 16MB cache ST41200N hard disk Syquest 555 removable disk Toshiba 3301 CD ROM drive ProAudio Spectrum Plus 16 Longshine Ethernet card LCS8634 (NE2000 comp.) ET4000 graphics card, 1Meg (ColorImage5) The system is running fine under DOS and Windows 3.1 etc, but trying to do the setup for NT, - automatic setup does not recognize controller (AHA1542-compat.) when adding manually, NT complains not finging any CD-ROM drive - the manual setup (WINNT) does not copy everything from CD to HD, does not recognize controller, but takes it manually. Setup continues until it tries to boot. Then it starts loading several stuff from disk (seems to fing the HD), but messing up with that damned IO-Error 69. I took away all IO cards not essential, but that did not make any effect. Anybody got any ideas? Help would be greatly appreciated.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 579,"Fiberglass boards are available in several colors. Sitting right here, I have unetched board stock that is white, blue, green and yellow respectively. I've also seen black boards. Solder mask is available in a variety of colors too. Depending on the supplier, the color helps indentify the material. Don't forget conformal coating. I don't think I've seen phenolic impregnated paper boards in anything other than the familar brown, but it would not be difficult to add a dye to change the color. ",sci.electronics 580," From what I saw of the videotape, there was an explosion which looked more like one due to propane rather than (official version) ammunition. If only we could be certain that the hard evidence will be released.",talk.politics.guns 581,"""They're real and they're spectacular"", the Blues shutout the Blackhawks in consecutive playoff games. If the Blues sweep the Hawks on Sunday, I will launch a broom onto the ice in the last seconds of the game. ""Not that there's anything wrong with that."" Curtis Joseph has been the ""master of his own domain"", and the Hawks have been shooting the puck like a bunch of ""chuckers"". Not even ""Superman"" could play any better in goal. Joseph must have been eating his ""cereal."" ""It's like a sauna in here"" said a spectator about the hot atmosphere and the wild crowd at the Arena. It was ""very refreshing"" to see the Blues ""double-dip"" the Hawks. The Hawks goons tried to ""pick"" on Hull, Janney, and Joseph but the Blues checking line ""nipped"" those Hawks real well. The fat ""Yoyoma"" will sing on Sunday, and the Hawks will head to the ""beach"". The Hawks' trip back to Chicago will feel like a long ""journey from Milan to Minsk"" Enjoy Sunday's game with some Junior Mints and wash them down with a Snapple. Just a little fun.",rec.sport.hockey 582," No, Fuhr's 5 rings out sparkle Errey's. And doesn't Bob have 2 rings?",rec.sport.hockey 583," Shit, i'm going to be a lot more carefull filling by income tax! ",talk.politics.guns 584,"I am saving an image on one machine and redisplaying the image on another machine (both are HP 9000 Model 750s). The image is created using XCreateImage and XGetImage and displayed with XPutImage. The image is redisplayed correctly except that the colors are wrong because the server on the other machine is using a different colormap. I tried saving the colormap (pixel and rgb values) and on the redisplay, performed a table lookup against the new colormap. This didn't work because some rgb combos don't exist in the new colormap. Is there a way to force the server to load colors into set pixel values, or is there a simpler way to solve this problem? I tried using xinitcolormap but couldn't get that to work either. Any help would be appreciated. ",comp.windows.x 585," ""Isaac Asimov read creationist books. He read the Bible. He had ample opportunity to kneel before his Creator and Savior. He refused. In fact, he sent out a strong promotional letter urging support of the American Humanist Association, shortly before he died."" --excerpt from Ken Ham, ""Asimov Meets His Creator,"" _Back to Genesis_ No. 42, June 1992, p. c (included in _Acts & Facts_ vol. 21, no. 6, June 1992, from the Institute for Creation Research). This is one of the most offensive articles they've ever published--but at least it argues *against* a deathbed conversion. There's a part of the article even worse than what I've just quoted, in which an excerpt from a reader's letter says that if Asimov is burning in hell now, ""then he certainly has had a 180-degree change in his former beliefs about creation and the Creator."" (A post-deathbed conversion.)",alt.atheism 586,"I am having trouble viewing GIF files on my system. Large sections don't show up. I have tried VPIC and PICEM - both do the same. I am running a Gateway 486/33C with a Speedstar Plus VGA card and an NEC Multisync 4Ds 16 inch monitor. Any suggestions? I don't know if Robert Woodward Department of Physiology, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65212 e-mail: c557652@mizzou1.missouri.edu ",comp.graphics 587," Ofranko. Coming from a self-exposed historical revisionist, a self-admitted anti-Muslim and a genocide apologist, Hamaza should take your drivel as a compliment. Furthermore, you even deny the obvious. There was a genocide of the Muslims carried out by order of the fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government. Massacres of Muslims must be studied in detail, because they are the first modern example of the horrible crime of genocide. Blame must be apportioned to the Armenians and their supporters for the murder of Muslims. The Turkish historic homeland, emptied of its native population until today, remains occupied by the x-Soviet Armenian Government. Today, x-Soviet Armenia covers up the genocide perpetrated by its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against humanity. x-Soviet Armenia must pay for its crime of genocide against the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds. The following are the Jewish and Armenian sources on the cold-blooded genocide perpetrated by the x-Soviet Armenian Government against 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920. Still denying the obvious? Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. ""In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the next two days."" ""Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions, Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims. Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common soldiers began deserting in droves."" ""With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks, Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."" Source: Stanford J. Shaw, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey,"" Vol II. Cambridge University Press, London, 1979, pp. 314-317. ""...Meanwhile, Czar Nicholas II himself came to the Caucasus to make final plans for cooperation with the Armenians against the Ottomans, with the president of the Armenian National Bureau in Tiflis declaring in response: 'From all countries Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks of the glorious Russian Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian arms...Let the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the Bosporus. Let, with Your will, great Majesty, the peoples remaining under the Turkish yoke receive freedom. Let the Armenian people of Turkey who have suffered for the faith of Christ receive resurrection for a new free life under the protection of Russia.'[155] Armenians again flooded into the czarist armies. Preparations were made to strike the Ottomans from the rear, and the czar returned to St. Petersburg confident that the day finally had come for him to reach Istanbul."" [155] Horizon, Tiflis, November 30, 1914, quoted by Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 45; FO 2485, 2484/46942, 22083. ""Ottoman morale and military position in the east were seriously hurt, and the way was prepared for a new Russian push into eastern Anatolia, to be accompanied by an open Armenian revolt against the sultan.[156]"" [156] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" pp. 45-47; Bayur, III/1, pp. 349-380; W.E.D. Allen and P. Muratoff, ""Caucasian Battlefields,"" Cambridge, 1953, pp. 251-277; Ali Ihsan Sabis, ""Harb Hahralaram,"" 2 vols., Ankara, 1951, II, 41-160; FO 2146 no. 70404; FO 2485; FO 2484, nos. 46942 and 22083. ""An Armenian state was organized at Van under Russian protection, and it appeared that with the Muslim natives dead or driven away, it might be able to maintain itself at one of the oldest centers of ancient Armenian civilization. An Armenian legion was organized 'to expel the Turks from the entire southern shore of the lake in preparation for a concerted Russian drive into the Bitlis vilayet.'[162] Thousands of Armenians from Mus and other major centers in the east began to flood into the new Armenian state...By mid-July there were as many as 250,000 Armenians crowded into the Van area, which before the crisis had housed and fed no more than 50,000 people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.[163]"" [162] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 56; FOP 2488, nos. 127223 and 58350. [163] BVA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, debates of August 15-17, 1915; Babi-i Ali Evrak Odasi, no. 175, 321, ""Van Ihtilali ve Katl-i Ami,"" Zilkade 1333/10 September 1915. Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. ""The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897, however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000 inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."" (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of Transcaucasia). In 1920, '0' percent Turk. ""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead."" Ohanus Appressian ""Men Are Like That"" p. 202. ""An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."" (Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990) 1.""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard A. Hartill, Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 1926 Memoirs of an Armenian Army Officer translated to English and published by a member of American ""Near East Relief Organization."" Gives the whole account of the genocide of all Turkish and Moslem people in Armenia organized and executed by Armenian Government and Army. Also gives account of countless other massacres and atrocities against the Turkish people in Armenia. 2.""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-22"" by A. Rawlinson, Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925 Eyewitness account of the same genocide by a British Army Officer. 3.""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn, Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952 Another eyewitness account of the same genocide by an American Officer. 4.""From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne"" by Avetis Aharonian, The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17 (Spring 1964) Memoirs of the chief Armenian delegate to the Paris Peace Conference were published in the Armenian Review Magazine in 13 articles from Volume 15 (Fall 1962) to Volume 17 (Spring 1964). These memoirs include an interview between Aharonian and British Foreign Minister Lord Curzon in which above-mentioned genocide was discussed. The official report mentioned by Lord Curzon is the report of British High Commissioner to Caucasia, Sir Oliver Wardrop. Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 588," You're definitely correct in that Williams absolutely has to be sandwiched in between Clark and Bonds. He must, and I mean MUST, get fastballs to hit...otherwise he becomes little more than Sixto Lezcano in disguise. What I would suggest is perhaps batting Bonds, Williams, and Clark 3-4-5, the reason being that I feel Bonds' potential basestealing abilities are wasted when he's stuck behind two slow runners. I think the chance of getting 20-30 extra stolen bases with Bonds in the 3 spot would more than offset any drop in in run production by having Clark in the 5 spot.",rec.sport.baseball 589,"I have a 486/50Mhz ISA Board with 256kbyte Cache and 16 Megs RAM. I just bought the new soundblaster 16 and tried to install the card. The sb16 uses 16bit DMA channel.I could select between channel 5 to 7. It is the first card I ever installed that uses 16bit dma transfer. After I tested the card the first time, the computer crashed and I got a parity error-system halted. This happens either from dos as also from windows. So it seems that my 16 bit dma channels are not working properly (they are there because testsb16.exe recocnize them and tests them ok until first access). Well, does anybody know a solution for this problem or a special test program for dma problems? I eliminated the problem temporaly by using only 8 bit dma channel but it makes the system slow!",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 590," I am not a paranoid, nor a government toady, nor even am I the guy you were talking to originally, but I think you are simply NOT PAYING ATTENTION. A bunch of people living off by themselves with a lot of guns nearby is not that wierd in Texas. My own family, very quiet taxpayers with extremely con- ventional views, has something like 10 rifles and shotguns in a two-person home. Some of them were mine, but I don't live there anymore. I now have my own shotgun in my apartment. Texas Child Protective Services (which loves to find child abuse) found no, I repeat NO, evidence of abuse when they first looked at the BD, and is saying that they see none in any of the kids who were released. There is no evidence that Koresh was banging anyone but his wives. It is not against the law to stockpile (most) weapons or campbell's soup. Nor is there any hard evidence in the form of actual hardware (as I write this) to prove the BD really had any *proscribed* weapons. I feel they were all loonies, but there is no indication that they ever bothered anyone. They were gone after in the wrong ways for the wrong reasons, and the BATF and FBI who are so busy trumpeting this child abuse angle hasn't got a leg to stand on or any right to be involved in such abuse cases anyway. If there was any real danger of the BD's going out on a rampage, then that is up to the officers of the state of Texas, who are probably getting a per- verse bit of pleasure at getting to torque the Feds for fucking up something in their state. semper fi,",talk.politics.guns 591," I cannot believe you can make these claims given hard evidence of abuse. Do you ignore stories about survellience of Martin Luther King, have you blocked from your mind McCarthy's crusade in the 50's? And how many illegal wiretaps are performed? Funny, but I'll be that the FBI doesn't keep statistics on these! ""confidential informer"" = illegal wiretap /-----------------------------------\ \-----------------------------------/ ",sci.crypt 592," Case Western Reserve Med School teaches nutrition in its own section as well as covering it in other sections as they apply (i.e. B12 deficiency in neuro as a cause of neuropathy, B12 deficiency in hematology as a cause of megaloblastic anemia), yet I sill hold the viewpoint of mainstream medicine: candida can cause mucocutaneous candidiasis, and, in already very sick patients with damaged immune systems like AIDS and cancer patients, systemic candida infection. I think ""The Yeast Connection"" is a bunch of hooey. What does this have to do with how well nutrition is taught, anyway? Well, maybe I'm getting picky, but I always thought that a yeast was one form that a fungus could exist in, the other being the mold form. Many fungi can occur as either yeasts or molds, depending on environment. Candida exibits what is known as reverse dimorphism - it exists as a mold in the tissues but exists as a yeast in the environment. Should we maybe call it a mold infection? a fungus infection? Maybe we should say it is caused by a mold-like fungus. ",sci.med 593,"Deeply grateful for citations to any papers on electronic cash schemes. Enquiring minds &c...",sci.crypt 594," Yes, he does. BUT, the goalie sure as hell doesn't want him there! When I played roller hockey (boy do I miss those days) as a goalie, I would scream at my defense to clear guys out of the slot. I don't care if he's in the crease or not, get him the hell away from me so I can see the ball! (Yes, roller hockey, remember) And if there was nobody around to clear the slot, then I'd do it myself by pushing the offending player--*hard*. I *hate* people in my way when I'm the goalie, and I am sure Felix does too. I should say that I didn't see the incident, so if Potvin really swung the stick big time, then that's not right, but he can move people out of the way. He's a player on the ice too, you know. :-) ",rec.sport.hockey 595,"Okay, I got enough replies about the Kubota Kenai/Denali systems that I will post a summary of their capabilities. I haven't actually used one or seen one, so take the specs with a grain of salt. I'd like to see an independent review of one against, say, an SGI Indigo Extreme or something. Basically, the Kenai workstations are DEC Alpha AXP based workstations that run OSF/1 ( DEC's ) and will likely run Windows NT in the future. They are binary compatible with Digital's OSF/1 Alpha AXP implementation. Denali is their graphics subsystem, which is upgradable in the field by simply adding ""transformation engines"". The two main Kenai machines are the 3400 Imaging and 3D Graphics Workstation and the 3500 Imaging and 3D Graphics Workstation. 3400 3500 CPU DEC Alpha AXP 133MHz DEC Alpha AXP 150MHz On-chip cache 8k/8k 8k/8k Onboard cache 512K 512K Word Size 64-bit 64-bit Memory ( initial ) 32-128MB 32-256MB Memory ( future ) 512MB 1GB SPECMARK89 111 126 SPECINT92 75 84 SPECFP92 112 128 GRAPHICS Transform Modules 1-6 1-6 Frame Buffer Modules 5,10,20 5,10,20 Frame Buffer 1280x1024x24bit 1280x1024x24bit double buffered double buffered Z-buffer 24-bit 24-bit Alpha/stencil 8-bit 8-bit Stereo support yes yes Other: both machines will double buffer or do stereo output per window. Both have an auxiliary video output that is RS-170A, NTSC, and PAL STORAGE Internal-fixed 2 3.5"" 4 3.5"" Internal-removable 1 5.25"" 2 5.25"" Max capacity 9.5GB 11.6 GB IO Both have TurboChannel 100MB/sec, SCSI-2, Ethernet, and FDDI APPLICATION PROGRAMMING INTERFACES Both have libraries for Xlib, Motif, MIT PEXlib, DEC-PEXlib DEC-PHIGS, and GL Okay, now the real stuff. The Kenai stations work with a graphics architecture known as Denali. The Denali comes in three models, the E, P, and V. They use a DECchip 21064 superscalar RISC processor at 150MHz. Their capabilities are as follows: E P V 2D Vectors 800-200K 2000-3800K 4000-4800K 3D Vectors #1 350-1100K 1100-1800K 1800-2100K 3D Vectors #2 300-1000K 1000-1600K 1600-1900K 3D Vectors #3 300-500K 800-1000K 1300-1400K 3D Triangles, #4 200-500K 600-1000K 1000-1200K 3D Triangles, #5 100-200K 300-400K 500-600K #1: 10 pixel, flat shaded, connected #2: 10 pixel, Gouraud shaded, connected #3: 10 pixel, 2-pixel wide, anti-aliased, connected #4: 50-pixel, Gouraud shaded, Z-buffered, strip #5: 50-pixel, texture mapped, persp., point sampled IMAGE PROCESSING Cine loop - 8-bit 15-36Mp/s 37-58 Mp/s 60-68 Mp/s Cine loop - 16-bit 14 Mp/s 25 Mp/s 38 Mp/s Cine loop - 24-bit 12-21 Mp/s 21 Mp/s 21 Mp/s Contrast stretching #1 14 Mp/s 25 Mp/s 20 Mp/s Bilinear zoom 6 Mp/s 11 Mp/s 20 Mp/s Trilinear interp#2 -- 6 Mvoxels/s 11 Mvoxels/s #1: Lookup table -- 12-,16-bit to 8 #2: Trilinear interpolation, 8-bit voxels CONFIGURATIONS Frame Buffer Modules 5 10 20 Transform Engine Mod. 1-3 3-5 5-6 As you can see, these are pretty powerful workstations, and the best part is the pricing. I would recommend that you call Kubota for more information. Their number is 408-727-8100. I'm sure they'll send you an information you may want. Oh, some prices: Low-end Kenai 3400, E Series w/ 1 TEM and 5 FBM --- 27,795 dollars U.S. Kenai 3500, E Series w/ 1 TEM and 5 FBM --- 45,345 dollars U.S. High-end Kenai 3400, V Series w/ 6 TEM and 20 FBM -- 61,795 dollars U.S. Kenai 3500, V Series w/ 6 TEM and 20 FBM -- 79,345 dollars U.S. If someone could post a relative comparision with an Indigo Extreme or something I would appreciate it. Hope this helps someone out there, Brian",comp.graphics 596," never heard of arguement by absurdity, eh no? Also called sarcasm. The usual procedure is to accept some part of the 'oppositions' arguement and run with it until one goes beyond 'rational thought' and then ring the changes. z.B. The idea of a minimum wage is considered a good one. And in these times of economic difficulty, the Washington legislature is propossing to raise the State MinWage from $4.25 (the federal level) to $4.90 (fifteen cents over Oregon's). It would seem to me that this increase does not keep pace with inflation, that the minimum wage should be to $6.08 by my figures, so it is proposed that we raise the minimum wage to $6.50 per hour by 1 July and then give a 10% cost of living increase every 4 July. and anyone who doesn't like it is obviously a country club republican getting rich off the exploitation of poor people. chus pyotr ",talk.politics.misc 597," But, Gary, for certain sofa tubers like myself, this is an advantage. I can watch the Pirates on KBL, the Mets on WWOR, the Braves on TBS, and the mediots on ESPN at the same time, without missing anything. (If something impressive happens, I'll catch the replay :-) ). So, I see (essentially) 4 games in 3 hours, instead of 1 game in 2 hours. What a deal! (Insert smileys as desired...) ",rec.sport.baseball 598,"What is NASA's annual budget? This year will do, a few years back wpuld be nice too but I need this item fast so emails off the top of your head very much appreciated (FAQs vanish here!). -Tony Ryan, ""Astronomy & Space"", new International magazine, available from: Astronomy Ireland, P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland. 6 issues (one year sub.): UK 10.00 pounds, US$20 surface (add US$8 airmail). ACCESS/VISA/MASTERCARD accepted (give number, expiration date, name&address).",sci.space 599," once upon a time, that's exactly what they would have done & everyone could have just gone on living a peaceful (if well armed) life. what is it that makes people think they have the right -not- to just leave others be? jason ",talk.politics.guns 600," And from whence does this right stem, that it overrides the 'rights' of the rest of us? And if you want to view that television station, you have to watch the commercials. You can't turn them off and still be viewing the television station. In other words, if you don't like what you see, don't look. There is no 'right' I can think of that you have to force other people to conform to your idea of aesthetic behaviour. What's next, laws regulating how people must dress and look so as to appeal to your fashion sense, since you have this 'right' of an aesthetic view? Which has what to do with the topic of discussion? Oh, I see. You don't want any legislation that might impinge on you; you just want everyone else on the planet to do what you want. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden",sci.space 601,"Yes, Yes, I can see it now >>>> all those Sabre fans FINALLY taking their Sabre sweaters out of the moth balls and proudly wearing them. After 9 years of playoff frustration and being up 3 games to nil I guess it is a pretty good bet. BUT there has not been a team that has come back from an 0-3 deficit since 1975 - could this be the year. (Don't throw out the moth balls yet)",rec.sport.hockey 602,"Curtis Joseph and Ray LeBlanc have made some big moves in the poll recently. Hextall has shown some strong movement as well. Kirk McLean and Tom Barrasso (I can't see why) have been added to the list recently. Keep sending in those votes. Current votes for favorite goalie masks (3pts - 1st, 2pts - 2nd, 1pt - 3rd) Player Team Pts Votes -------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Ed Belfour Chicago 32 15 Curtis Joseph St. Louis 32 13 3. Andy Moog Boston 30 13 4. Brian Hayward San Jose 26 10 5. Ron Hextall Quebec 16 8 6. Grant Fuhr Buffalo 12 5 7. Gerry Cheevers Boston (retired) 11 6 8. John Vanbeisbrouck NY Rangers 10 4 9. Ray LeBlanc USA Olympic 7 3 10. Mike Richter NY Rangers 6 3 11. Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 5 2 12. Don Beaupre Washington 4 2 Ken Dryden Montreal (retired) 4 2 -------------------------------------------------------------- Others receiving less than 4pts: Mike Vernon (Cal), Clint Malarchuk (Buf/SD,IHL), Tommy Soderstrom (Phil), Tom Barrasso (Pit), Artus Irbe (SJ), Tim Cheveldae (Det), Sean Burke (NJ), Rick Wamsley (Tor,ret), Jon Casey (Minn), Bob Essensa (Win), Glenn Healy (NYI), Tony Espo (Chi), Gilles Gratton (Bos), Rod Stauber (LA), Gump Worsley (Mtl/NYR), Pat Jablonski (TB), Grant Fuhr (Tor), Felix Potvin (Tor), Stephane Beauregard (Win), Mark Fitzpatrick (NYI), Chico Resch (NYI), Kirk McLean (Van) ",rec.sport.hockey 603,"Heil Ajami!, or do you prefer Heil Martillo! or Heil Santos! or Heil Carlo! or Heil Joachim!<- This I would suggest against, it sounds too informal, mein fuhrer!",talk.politics.mideast 604," Why not? It hasn't been released, so there's no way for you to evaluate it yet. After all, Apple could have been smart and had AOCE use an MD5 hash encrypted with RSA, just like PKCS signatures. They could even be actually PKCS compliant, for all you know; why not wait until it is released, and hard information is available, before passing judgement on it? AOCE's algorithm's aren't secret because Apple's being fascistic--AOCE itself remains secret (except for Apple demos at MacWorld :)), simply because it's not done yet. It may be flawed, and it may not. However, you can't tell which until you actually see it. I, at least, am quite impressed with what I have seen so far, and have no expectation of being disappointed. ",sci.crypt 605,"I'm quite familiar with a variety of window title *setting* methods. My question is... Is there any way (via Resources, etc) to stop an application's ability to re-name it's own Name / IconName properties? ...who cares if it's not 'nice' to the application - I WANT CONTROL! ;-) -Mike ",comp.windows.x 606," I didn't say the program is DISABLED, did I? (I HATE!!!! it when people take my words out of context...) I mean that once you have installed it, you cannot DEinstall it without registering it, or transfer it to another machine, or SOME SORT OF LIMITATION (the author will decide), WHICH WILL BE REMOVED WHEN THE PROGRAM IS REGISTERED. ",sci.electronics 607," I don't understand this at all. Matt Williams has demonstrated throughout his career that he will NOT wait for good pitches to hit. He won't take walks. He'd rather swing. If I'm the opposing pitcher, why would I groove a fastball to Williams and have him hit it well, when I know that Williams will swing (and miss, or at least not hit very well) at a low and away curve?",rec.sport.baseball 608," Now you are actually claiming that 2,000,000 Muslims have been killed in B-H??? Please substantiate this utterly ridiculous claim.",talk.politics.mideast 609," Take a look at TeleUSE, a complete UIMS from Alsys (formerly TeleSoft). In the US, you can reach them at (619) 457 2700. Alsys have an VMS version of TeleUSE v2.0.5 for VMS V5.5 or higher, built using DECwindows Motif 1.0 (based on X11R4 and Motif v1.1.1). BTW, the VMS port from the UNIX version was made at my company, and was released in November 1992.",comp.windows.x 610," Be patient. He has a sore shoulder from crashing into the wall. The Cards will give him all the time he needs to come around. He is their full time centerfielder. He will not however steal as often this year as he is hitting clean-up.",rec.sport.baseball 611,please subscribe me.,None 612,"""Hate the sin but love the sinner""...I've heard that quite a bit recently, often in the context of discussions about Christianity and homosexuality... but the context really isn't that important. My question is whether that statement is consistent with Christianity. I would think not. Hate begets more hate, never love. Consider some sin. I'll leave it unnamed since I don't want this to digress into an argument as to whether or not something is a sin. Now lets apply our ""hate the sin..."" philosophy and see what happens. If we truly hate the sin, then the more we see it, the stronger our hatred of it will become. Eventually this hate becomes so strong that we become disgusted with the sinner and eventually come to hate the sinner. In addition, our hatred of the sin often causes us to say and do things which are taken personally by the sinner (who often does not even believe what they are doing is a sin). After enough of this, the sinner begins to hate us (they certainly don't love us for our constant criticism of their behavior). Hate builds up and drives people away from God...this certainly cannot be a good way to build love. In the summary of the law, Christ commands us to love God and to love our neighbors. He doesn't say anything about hate. In fact, if anything, he commands us to save our criticisms for ourselves. So, how are Christians supposed to deal with the sin of others? I suppose that there is only one way to deal with sin (either in others or ourselves)...through prayer. We need to ask God to help us with our own sin, and to help those we love with theirs. Only love can conquer sin...hatred has no place. The best way to love someone is to pray for them. - Scott",soc.religion.christian 613,"Yesterday, the FBI was saying that at least three of the bodies had gunshot wounds, indicating that they were shot trying to escape the fire. Today's paper quotes the medical examiner as saying that there is no evidence of gunshot wounds in any of the recovered bodies. At the beginning of this siege, it was reported that while Koresh had a class III (machine gun) license, today's paper quotes the government as saying, no, they didn't have a license. Today's paper reports that a number of the bodies were found with shoulder weapons next to them, as if they had been using them while dying -- which doesn't sound like the sort of action I would expect from a suicide. Our government lies, as it tries to cover over its incompetence and negligence. Why should I believe the FBI's claims about anything else, when we can see that they are LYING? This system of government is beyond reform.",talk.politics.misc 614,"They could put on a Quebec-Montreal game. Talk a bout areivalry! opps rivalry.. roland",rec.sport.hockey 615,"::DATE: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 10:13:30 GMT ::FROM: Fred Rice This issue has been going on for a while and your presentation here of # >just one reference probably won't resolve this issue to those that # >oppose your insistence that mosques *were* destroyed. Even in your # >location of this one reference, you spend most of your quote dealing # >with an incidence that, while abhorrant, has nothing to do with the # >issue at hand here. Then, at the end of the quote, there is an almost # >off-hand comment that ""two mosques"" were destroyed. # > # >To support a claim of this nature, what other authors support this # >incident? If identifiable mosques were destroyed they are certainly # >identifiable, they have names and addresses (steet location). The # >comment by one reporter *does* make us wonder if ""this happened"" but # >by no means ""proves it. # # There is no doubt that Israeli authorities ordered the destruction of # mosques in the vicinity of the Wailing Wall. That does not mean, # however, that once can generalize from this to any other points. The # entire plaza, mosques and all, was cleared to make it possible for Jews # to have a place to worship in the place that was holiest to many of # them, and which had been denied to them for millenia. # # On the other hand, throughout the rest of Jerusalem and Israel, to the # best of my knowledge, Israeli authorities have scrupulously avoided # damage to any Islamic religious sites. This contrasts with the policies # of previous regimes which destroyed Jewish synagogues out of hate and # bigotry. Or, for that matter, with the USA. Around here, nobody reroutes freeways to avoid churches, synagogues, and so forth. They just get condemned, paid off, and the road goes through. The same is standard policy for any number of other public projects: schools and sports arenas being only two examples. Anticipating the objection that the cases aren't comparable: how not? The Wall has to count as the #1 tourist attraction in that part of the world; making room for the traffic would be a twenty second decision for any city council I ever heard of.",talk.politics.mideast 652,"SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!! JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!! * Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith. * The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide. * General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth edition. Big Book! Very good condition! * Solutions manual for Chemistry book. Paperback. * Study guide for Chemistry book. Paperback. Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu ",misc.forsale 653,"I'm selling a bunch of my older 12"" records off. They are sitting around collecting dust and I never use them. I have used each of these records, once, maybe twice if I didn't record the song I wanted correctly the first time. These records are in PERFECT condition. Please email me with the records you would want and what you think a fair price is. I will probably give deals, the more records you buy. Kinda capatalist isn't it. Well give me a yell at pagorm@iastate.edu with any comments. See ya Paul I have recieved a few questions as to what 12"" are. I guess I should elaborate. (???!!!! am I that old?) They are just maxi-singles on wax. If I am correct most beat mixers still use this form of record. This is probably the kind of person interested in this colllect or parts of it. Any questions call (515) 294-3737. Thanks and see ya. Artist Song",misc.forsale 654,"Do the Isles have another defenseman to insert into the line-up besides Pilon??? Once again, last night's STUPID penalty put the Isles in a hole for the remainder of regulation and 2 minutes into overtime!!! Even though the Isles nearly survived Pilon's blunder in regulation, it was the most inopportune time for a 5-minute major penalty. Instead of confronting Cote as he came across the blueline, Pilon backed up and swiped at Cote's nose with his stick. Al Arbour can't be serious to think Pilon is the guy to have out there with the game on the line??? I heard Scott LaChance is out till later in the series, but there must be someone else!!! Bring back the BAMMER, Dave Langevin!!!! *******************************LETS GO ISLANDERS******************************** John Scialdone SCIALDONE@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV",rec.sport.hockey 655,": But waiiiiiit, isn't Nissan officially registering the car as far as : government paperwork goes, Nissan Stanza Altima, to avoid costly and : lengthy paperwork? I read this on the net a while ago, and someone : actually may have said there's a little Stanza logo on the Altima : somewhere. I just bought an Altima (and like it very much) and yes there is a little Stanza logo ever so discretely placed on the trunk. The Altima is emblazoned in big silver letters, but the itsy-bitsy Stanza is shunted to the far left of the trunk lid. You can only see it if you get up close to the car and know where to look. It is very inconspicuous. In fact my first clue that this was a Stanza was that the owners manual called the car a Nissan Stanza Altima. Anybody know *why* Nissan did it this way?",rec.autos 656,"Seen from a typographically point of view, ATM using PostScript fonts is better than TrueType; the hinting mechanism incorporated in PS is gorgeous. Multilingual users may see the limit of possible different characters in a PS font as problematically; they may have better use of the Unicode features of TT fonts (in Windows NT). I've seen *lots* of really beautiful and printable-in-small-size PS fonts; I haven't seen those as TT fonts. Most of them are rendering quite inaccurate (in small sizes, esp. as screen fonts). Simply compare TimesNewRoman as a PS font with the TT font; the first looks better. I am hoping that there will be ATM/NT ! ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 657,"The Andrew Consortium of the School of Computer Science at Carnegie Mellon is pleased to announce AUIS 5.1.1 for AIX3.2 4/26/93 The Andrew User Interface System version 5.1 (our CDrom version) was developed for AIX version 3.1 on the IBM RS/6000 and many other platforms. To accomodate AIX version 3.2, we have created a patch to the sources. The patch and accompanying instructions for its application can be retrieved at no charge via anonymous-ftp from the internet host emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.45.40) in the directory ./aixpatch. For those without internet access, a 3.5"" diskette can be ordered for $10 by sending, or faxing, a purchase order to the address below. The base 5.1 system can be ordered from us as a CDrom or ftp'ed from the same host. Note that this patch adds no additional functionality but simply allows AUIS to compile under AIX3.2. ----------- The Andrew User Interface System (AUIS) is a comprehensive environment on top of X11 windows in which you can create, use, and mail multi-media applications and documents. A major advantage of AUIS is the capability to recursively embed objects. Thus, one can edit text that not only contains multiple fonts, indentation, and other typography, but also contains embedded raster images, spreadsheets, drawing editors, equations, simple animations, and so on. These embedded objects can themselves contain other objects, including text. AUIS has three components: The Andrew User Environment is an integrated and extensible set of applications beginning with the ez text editor, a help system, a system monitoring tool, an editor-based shell interface, and other editors corresponding to the various available types of objects. The Andrew Toolkit (ATK) is a portable, object-oriented user-interface toolkit that provides the architecture wherein objects can be embedded in one-another. With the toolkit, programmers can create new objects that can be embedded as easily as those that come with the system. The Andrew Message System (AMS) provides a multi-media interface to mail and bulletin-boards. AMS supports several mail management strategies and implements many advanced features including authentication, return receipts, automatic sorting of mail, vote collection and tabulation, enclosures, audit trails of related messages, and subscription management. It also provides a variety of interfaces that support ttys and low-function personal computers in addition to high-function workstations. The current public release of Andrew, Version 5.1, includes support for the new Internet MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) standards for multipart, multimedia mail. A newer release, 5.2, for members of the Andrew Consortium has numerous additional features including new editors for drawings, images, fonts, and user preferences. Remote Andrew Demo Service You can try out Andrew from your own work station via the Remote Andrew Demo Service. You need a host machine on the Internet running the X11 window system. You'll be able to compose multimedia documents, navigate through the interactive Andrew Tour, and use the Andrew Message System to browse through a few of CMU's four thousand bulletin boards and newsgroups. To get started with the Remote Andrew Demo service, simply run the following command on your machine: finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu The service will give you further instructions. More information about Andrew is available from: Information Requests Andrew Consortium Carnegie Mellon University Smith Hall 106 5000 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 USA phone: +1-412-268-6710 fax: +1-412-682-6938 info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu",comp.windows.x 658,"I have just upgraded from a Trident TVGA9000 to an ATI Graphics Ultra (the old mach8 chip). I am quite pleased with the performance so far, but have one problem. When using windows in 800x600, I have noticed that the tile bars and scroll bars are significantly larger than they were when I was using the Trident card. Is there a setting in my .ini files that I can change to make these smaller ? I could not find the FAQ for this list... --Mike",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 659,"Does anyone know whether the _Acta Sanctorum_, the huge multi-volume collection of Roman Catholic hagiography produced by the Bollandists, has ever been translated into English? I'm working on the _Vita S. Dympnae_ and would love to be able to check my own translation against somebody else's. Email replies preferred, unless this query turns out to be of general interest. ",soc.religion.christian 660,"Invitation to the 8th SCIA The 8th Scandinavian Conference on Image Analysis will be arranged by the Norwegian Society for Image Processing and Pattern Recognition (NOBIM) and sponsored by the International Association for Pattern Recognition (IAPR). The conference will be held in Tromsoe from 25th-28th May 1993. Tromsoe, located at latitude 69 degrees N, is Northern Norway's centre for administration and education. About the Programme The scientific programme runs over four days and includes 6 invited speakers, 29 sessions in three parallel tracks with 127 contributed papers and 4 poster sessions with 44 contributions. The conference covers the following topics: - Image Processing and Analysis - Pattern Recognition - Computer Vision - Parallel Algorithms and Architectures - Neural Nets - Matching Methods - Image Compression - Remote Sensing - Medical and Biological Applications - Industrial Applications Conference Language The official language of the conference is English. Invited Talks and Speakers Segmentation of Range Images Via Data Fusion and Morphological Watersheds. Professor Ralph Gonzalez University of Tennessee, Knoxville Object Recognition Using Range Images. Professor Anil K. Jain Michigan State University Experiments in Mobile Robot Navigation and Range Imaging. Dr. Judd Jones Oak Ridge National Laboratory Image Compression. Professor Tor Ramstad University of Trondheim Combining Evidence in Dictionary Based Probabilistic Relaxation. Professor J. Kittler University of Surrey Matching Methods. Professor A. Sanfeliu Polytechnic University of Catalonia Workshop In connection with the conference, a workshop on contextual methods in pattern recognition will be arranged on monday 24th by IAPR TC1. For further information concerning the workshop contact Torfinn Taxt, Chairman TC1, Univ. of Bergen, N-5000 Bergen, Norway. Phone: +47 5 20 63 34 Fax: +47 5 20 63 60 E-mail: Torfinn.Taxt@cc.uib.no Registration Information The registration fee is 4000 NOK. The fee covers proceedings, entrance to all oral and poster sessions, exhibition, lunches and coffee breaks, get-together party, reception and banquet. Fees for accompanying persons are presented in the registration form. All payments must be made payable in Norwegian Kroner (NOK) by SWIFT to ""XIANNOKKTRM"" or Bank Giro Service at Bank Account: 6420 05 13353, ""SAS Conference FORUT"", Christiania Bank og Kreditkasse (Private cheques will not be accepted.) or by the following credit cards: VISA, Mastercard, Eurocard, Diners, Access, American Express. Please note: For payment with SWIFT and Bank Giro Service made from abroad, please add banking fee of NOK 60,-. Please remember to state 8SCIA and your name on all money transfers! Registration and Information The Conference Secretariat will be available all four days of the conference for registration and information May 24th, 1600:2000, in the SAS Hotel. May 25th-28th, at the University. Exhibition An exhibition of relevant literature will be arranged. Publishers are invited to exhibit their products. A visit to local companies and institutions involved in the field (mostly remote sensing) will be arranged. Accommodation Reservation for hotel accommodation can be made on the registration form. The 8SCIA Conference Secretariat at SAS Luftreisebyraa, att. Bodil Lauritsen, will provide hotel accommodation for the participants. Social Events Monday, May 24th: Get-together party. (included in the conference fee for delegates, NOK 150,- for accompanying persons) Tuesday, May 25th Fishing trip. The tour will last for 5-6 hours and hopefully the midnight sun will visit us. On board the boat there will be music, food and drink by choice. We bring fishing rods and it will be possible to have our own fish prepared on board. (NOK 400,-) Spouse programme: Visit by cable car to Storsteinen 420 meters above sea level, visit to the Arctic Cathedral, and visit to Tromsoe Museum. (NOK 205,-) Wednesday, May 26th Due to the cancellation of the Svalbard flight we will arrange a visit to the ""Beerhall"". (NOK 350,- including beer and food.) Spouse programme: Visit to a fishfarm in the surroundings of Tromsoe. (NOK 170,-) Thursday, May 27th Banquet. (Included in the conference fee for delegates, accompanying persons NOK 500,- ) Spouse programme: Visit to the Northern Lights Planetarium and the Polar Museum. (NOK 180,-) The spouse programs need a minimum of 15 participants to be arranged. Post conference tours with visit to Lyngen or Finnmark and Norh Cape will also be arranged. For more information about the social program and the post conference tours see the registration form and information included with the registration form. Weather and Dress The weather in Tromsoe in late May can be everything from 24 hour sunshine with a maximum temperature of 20 degrees Celsius to snowstorms with temperatures below freezing. It is therefore recommended to bring some warmer clothes. Local Information The population is approximately 50 000. In Tromsoe you can take part in many activities from mountaineering in the midnight sun to late night fun in international restaurants and bars. An afternoon local beer in the Beerhall of the world's northernmost brewery is also recommended. The 8th Scandinavian Conference on Image Analysis (8SCIA) will be held at the university campus at the world's northernmost university. There will be conference buses going to the campus from within walking distances of all the hotels. More detailed information about the locations and transport will be available at the conference hotels. Travel Information Tromsoe Airport at Langnes is only 7-8 minutes drive from the centre of Tromsoe. The travelling distance from Oslo is 1 hr 40 minutes. SAS Conference Support Tromsoe offers airticket services for the conference. In addition to all standard terms full and reduced fare tickets from Europe and overseas, (reduced fares require that you stay in Scandinavia the night between Saturday and Sunday), we can offer additional conference fares for SAS flights from SAS destinations within Scandinavia, and reduced fares on Norwegian domestic flights. If you want to make use of this service please contact Bodil Lauritsen at the Conference Secretariat. Conference Secretariat SAS Luftreisebyraa Tromsoe Att.: Bodil Lauritsen P. O Box 437 N-9001 Tromsoe Norway Phone: +47 83 10 700 Fax: +47 83 10 701 Note that reduced airticket fares can not be obtained on flights to Scandinavia if you don't stay the night between Saturday and Sunday (in front of or after the conference). On the other hand you don't have to stay that night in Tromso to obtain reduced fares within Scandinavia (SAS flights). <------------------------------- cut here ------------------------------> REGISTRATION FORM The 8'th Scandinavian Conference on Image Analysis Tromso, Norway, May 25th-28th 1993 Please use block letters or type, and fill in one form for each parti- cipant. Completed registration form for accompanying person is to be attached to the registration form of the delegate. Mr <> Mrs <> First name and surname:............................................. Company/Institution:................................................ Title:.................. Mailing address:................................................... Postal code/Country:............................................... Telephone:....................Telefax:............................. Delegate: <> Accompanying person: <> (please tick for right category) Workshop on contextual methods in pattern recognition, Monday, May 24th: <> Conference fee, delegates: NOK 4000,- -> Social events (please tick for participating!) <> Get-together Party, Monday 24th (Included in the conference fee for delegates) Accompanying person NOK 150,- -> <> Spouse Programme, Tuesday, May 25th * NOK 205,- -> <> Spouse Programme, Wednesday, May 26th * NOK 170,- -> <> Spouse Programme, Thursday, May 27th * NOK 180,- -> <> Boat-trip, Tuesday, May 25th NOK 400,- -> <> Banquet, Thursday, May 27th (Included in the conference fee for delegates) Accompanying person NOK 500,- -> <> Visit to the Beerhall, Wednesday, May 26th * NOK 350,- -> <> Post Conference Tour, Lyngen * NOK 895,- -> <> Post Conference Tour, Finnmark/North Cape * NOK 4250,- -> (* we need a minimum number of participants to accomplish these tours) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total amount for my participation: NOK ____________ PAYMENT: Payment can be made by: SWIFT to ""XIANNOKKTRM"" or Bank Giro Service at Bank Account: 6420 05 13353, ""SAS Conference FORUT"", Christiania Bank og Kreditkasse, Gronnegt. 80, N-9000 Tromso, Norway. (Private cheques will not be accepted.) or by credit card: VISA <> Mastercard <> Eurocard <> Diners <> Access <> American Express <> Account Number:___________________________ Expiration Date:________________ Signature:____________________________________________ Please note: For payment with SWIFT and Bank Giro Service made from abroad, please add banking fee of NOK 60,-. Please remember to state 8SCIA and your name on all money transfers! ACCOMODATION: (Payment to be made upon arrival) (Weekend= Friday-Sunday). Deadline for cancellation of the hotel room: 24 hours before arrival. If you would like us to book your accomodation in Tromso, please fill in: Date of arrival:____________________ Date of departure:____________________ SAS Royal Hotel <> Single a 1190,- <> Double a 1390,- (weekend 750,-) (weekend 900,-) Grand Nordic Hotel <> Single a 1015,- <> Double a 1175,- (weekend 760,-) (weekend 880,-) With Home Hotel <> Single a 975,- <> Double a 1085,- SAGA Hotel <> Single a 870,- <> Double a 1045,- Polar Hotel <> Single a 680,- <> Double a 800,- (weekend 450,-) (weekend 550,-) Tromso Hotel <> Single a 680,- <> Double a 800,- (weekend 450,-) (weekend 550,-) Skipperhuset Pension <> Single a 330,- <> Double a 410,- <> Triple a 480,- Hotel Nord <> Single a 300,- <> Double a 400,- <> Triple a 500,- Private Accomodation <> Single a 150,- <> Double a 200,- I will arrange accomodation on my own: <> If my first choice is not available, I wish to stay at:_____________________ Airtickets: SAS Conference Support Tromso offers airticket services for the conference. In addition to all standard terms full and reduced fare tickets from Europe and overseas, (reduced fares require that you stay in Scandinavia the night between Saturday and Sunday), we can offer additional conference fares for SAS flights from SAS destinations within Scandinavia, and reduced fares on norwegian domestic flights. If you want to make use of this service please fill in the following: Point of departure and return:______________________________________________ Date of departure:___________________ Date of return: _____________________ I will arrange airtickets on my own: <> (Please tick!) For further information, please contact: Kjell Arild Hogda, 8SCIA Local Chair, FORUT Information technology Ltd, N-9005 Tromso, Norway. Telephone: +47 83 58622. Telefax: +47 83 82420 e-mail: scia@conan.uit.no Please forward this registration form to: SAS Luftreisebyra Tromso, Att: Bodil Lauritsen P.O. Box 437, N-9001 Tromso, Norway, Telephone: +47 83 10700. Telefax: +47 83 10701 ",comp.graphics 661,"released here we go again... now these are just rumors.. so dont quote me. New Integra supposedly wedge shaped again. 175 hp and all-wheel drive in top models. Then a variant called the zx-r comes later. (roadster?). i think it gets unveiled at end of summer.",rec.autos 662,"My Kawasaki KZ 750 L4 has 2-3 millimetres of play on the gearchange pedal axle, in other words, I can move the axle sideways & up-and-down for few millimetres to each direction. This doesn't bother me when riding, but I guess fixing it wouldn't hurt. Last summer I took the bike to a shop to have the valves adjusted, and the mechanic mentioned that it should be an easy job. All I would have to do is to remove the front sprocket cover and replace a bushing or a seal that I would find there. Well, upon a closer inspection I discovered that the gearchange axle doesn't even run through the sprocket cover. It seems that, in addition to removing the cover, I would have at least to remove the sprocket and then the cover that is behind the sprocket. Question : Would removing this small cover from the left side of the engine enable me to lay my hands on that bushing/seal (Don't know the exact term in english, sorry) ? Question : Has anybody done this disassembly job for this or some other purpose ? Does the oil, for example, stay inside the engine ? Thanks !",rec.motorcycles 663,"Hello, I have a problem with X11R5 on a Sun386i an I hope that someone can help me with it. I've built X from the MIT sources after applying all patches I have got (I think 23). Building was easy. After installing everything I started X but nothing happened but the screen and the keyboard freezed, the machine seemed to hang. I loged in from another machine an found the Sun386i running well. 'ps' told me that there's a X-server and a xterm running. And with some experimenting with the mouse and repeatedly pressing ^D I blindly hit the xterm, endet the session and got my prompt back. I guess it's a device problem but I did not find the correct device yet. I've got a Sun386i with a b/w framebuffer (ACE-6 0688 94V-0, Rev 53) SunOS 4.0.2 and ROM 4.4. Please help me. I'm able to run clients on the Sun and send the output to other machines but that's not what I did it for.",comp.windows.x 664," and guess which game ESPN is showing in my area on Thursday - yep, Pens-Devils. There are so many other interesting series, who cares about Mario???",rec.sport.hockey 665,"As per various threads on science and creationism, I've started dabbling into a book called Christianity and the Nature of Science by JP Moreland. A question that I had come from one of his comments. He stated that God is not necessarily a religious term, but could be used as other scientific terms that give explanation for events or theories, without being a proven scientific fact. I think I got his point -- I can quote the section if I'm being vague. The examples he gave were quarks and continental plates. Are there explanations of science or parts of theories that are not measurable in and of themselves, or can everything be quantified, measured, tested, etc.? MAC -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu",alt.atheism 666," They bein' themfolk who tend to compose fair piece of the population; bein the ones that regard bikers as a loud, irresponsible, irreverent, reprobate rabble. Sure you didn't rape and pillage-- It's a relief to know that you were such gentlemen-- but because you were not completely out-of-hand you justify your lesser indescretions? Some pretty distorted thinking, I should say. Oh-- I'm sorry, I just noticed that you left mucho bucks (as in MONEY)... Nevermind my criticism, I was out of line. I forgot that when one leaves mucho bucks (as in MONEY) their behavior is permissable, perhaps even justified. Keep in mind that ""themfolks"" are the ones that could give a %$#@! when a biker gets killed, when *their* elected officials institute further draconian legislation (helmet laws, gun controls, etc.), the ones that don't respect our rights on the roads because we do not respect theirs all ""the rest of the time..."" Need I continue? So continue to wear your stigma as a badge, but the next time you are whining about ""them"" and the effect of their values on yours, remember that it was probably the behavior of self-righteous wusses like myself that kept ""them"" at bay for this long. Enjoy, ",rec.motorcycles 667," The Viper isn't an Inline 10 or Flat 10, is it? I'm pretty sure its a V-10. Also, the Cizeta??? is a V-16, but it may not yet be more than a dream... ",rec.autos 668,"Okay, the Caps AGAIN are about to break out the golf clubs but before they do, does anyone have the history of the Washington Capitals' futility record in the playoffs? I remember that Terry's first year was the first year that the Caps finally made it to the third round but before under Brian, I noticed that every other year the Caps got to the second round and the years in between they didn't make it past the first round. Is this trend continuning? The Admiral, a hopeless Caps fan. P.S. We still remember that 3 OT loss to the Islanders! Aurggghhhhhhhhh! ____________________________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ",rec.sport.hockey 669,"Quoting amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) in article <1rn1b3$khb@news.intercon.com>: ",None 670,"A friend recorded CNN news during the gassing and incineration of the BD's. I went through it carefully today, and found something very interesting. A tank is pulling out of the house, and there is a fireball, maybe 24"" across that lasts for about 1 second. Exactly ten minutes and thirty nine seconds later, the smoke starts billowing out of that area of the building. Now, I'm no govt. spokestwinkie, so it might really have been a weather balloon or something. Perhaps someone would check it out and comment. ",talk.politics.guns 671," I would put it stronger than that. I consider it nonsense. Simply put, I do not see any way that a ""Platonic essence"" could have any *real* existance. ""Essence"" in the Platonic sense does not have any referent as far as I can tell - it is just an imaginary concept invented to provide an explanation for things better explained in other ways. So, to attribute an 'essence' to God is to attribute to him something that does not exist!! Thus the orthodox Platonic formulation seems to leave the unity of God in limbo, since it is based on a non-existant 'essence', thus failing to avoid the very problem it was supposed to address. Thus, to me, the unity of God must be primary, and the triality must be secondary, must be modal or aspectual (relating to roles, or to modes of interaction), since otherwise there is no meaning to saying God is one. -- sarima@teradata.com (formerly tdatirv!sarima) or Stanley.Friesen@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com",soc.religion.christian 672," Well, as a hockey fan, I think it's terrible. It's one thing to say, ""Hey, let's give a hockey team to cities that don't have one!"" -- that's fine. It's entirely another to say, ""Okay, let's take a team from a thriving hockey town and move it!"" Of course, none of us will ever know the real inside story, but from what I know, a group of Minneapolis businessmen told Green repeatedly that they would purchase the remaining 3600 (?) season tickets to get to the 10,000 level that Green wanted, yet he refused every time. It's pretty obvious that he was determined to get out of Minneapolis at any cost and use the season tickets thing as an excuse. I was fortunate enough to get to the penultimate game, and the fans were great! People were tailgating and playing roller hockey in the parking lot before the game, the attendance was so full as to have SRO, and the whole atmosphere in the Centre was terrific. Minnesota IS Hockey, USA. How the NHL can so blithely let the major league team from there move away is beyond me. I only hope they get a new team soon. Just my $0.02. -- Ali. ",rec.sport.hockey 673,"My (then) wife used to get recurrent yeast infections. One day, her doctor sent her home with medication for her and a pill for me. I took the pill, upon her insistence, and was very relieved the next day when I looked it up in the PDR. It only RARELY causes testicular atrophy...",sci.med 674,"hi, try DontZap in /usr/lib/X11/Xconfig cu styx ",None 675," Parts of Sen. Biden's statement were quoted by the Washington Post today: Let me put it plainly, Mr. Secretary. You are required to speak diplomatically; I am not. I cannot even begin to express to you my contempt for a European policy that is now asking us to participate in what amounts to a codification of the Serbian victory. ... What you have encountered is a discouraging mosaic of indifference, timidity, self-delusion and hypocrisy. ... After they held our coats on Kuwait and Somalia, they are asking us to put in a few thousand troops on the ground in order to have the right to speak and in order to implement their new idea of 'safe havens' for the Bosnians... Let's not mince words. European policy is based on cultural and religious indifference, if not bigotry. And I think it's fair to say that this would be an entirely different situation if the Muslims were doing what the Serbs have done, if this was Muslim aggression instead of Serbian aggression. Too bad the Washington Post did not include his next sentence, which pointed out that a consequence of such policy is a rising anger within the Islamic world, the consequences of which we cannot begin to predict. Later, Biden told a reporter why he spoke out: I think someone has to respond to Europe to make it clear this is a big deal... so they will understand. and it IS a big deal. By refusing the fundamental human right of self-defense to Bosnia-Herzegovina, Europe and the world have aided the Serbian aggression. Moreover, the arms embargo has forced a situation in which Bosnian Serbs have 10 times more heavy weaponry than Bosnian Croats and Muslims combined. Under such conditions, it is very easy for Serbs to play a ""divide-and-conquer"" game, and to get the Muslims and Croats (who have strong common interests and who were allied against the Serbian aggression) to start fighting each other, which leads to their mutual catastrophe. One final quote: U.S. Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, has said in Rome last week that ""In practice, the embargo had the opposite effect intended. It made aggression certain."" All diplomats who deluded themselves that they could negotiate peace while enforcing a 10:1 imbalance of power on the ground have contributed to this tragedy. ",talk.politics.mideast 676,"Hello, does anyone know about allergic reactions caused by the developer/toner of laser printers? What chemical stuff is involved? Thanks in advance! Reinhard",sci.med 677," Yes it has to be very clear (like it wasn't there). And of course, cost is always a factor. I am trying to get an idea of the feasability of such an idea. But I don't want to give too much away.",sci.electronics 678," First, a tank drove through the wall into the living room. I can't stop thinking about the children who were inside the house (the room?) at the time. How many people got killed during the Tiannamen Square events? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.",talk.politics.misc 679,"*** On 04-19-93 03:53, Wayne Mcdougall had the unmitigated gall to say this: WM> The software is Netware 286 Level II and I can see burnt on to the WM> screen SFT Netware 286 Level II V2.0a. However, to configure netware WM> for level II (mirrored or duplexed disks) requires a second disk, yes? Yes. Mirroring requires a controller that is capable of writing to two disks at once. Duplexing, which is the preferred way of mirroring, uses two controller cards and two disk drives. Duplexing requires a special card and two identical disk drives (in most cases). Duplexing can sometimes be pulled off with slightly different drives/controllers, as long as the sizes are the same. WM> So how is the Novell Server 286A normally configured? The configuration is completely up to the user. WM> 1. Can I install SFT Netware 286 Level II V2.0a as Level I, or is this WM> what is causing my serialization error? If you only have one disk, then you can't use Level II SFT. However, the OSOBJ disk has a serial number on it, and if this disk is for a different version of NetWare then you would get a serialization error. Make sure that this disk actually belongs to the rest of the set of floppies in the NetWare installation set. WM> 2. Is the Novell Server 286A normally equipped with two hard drives, WM> one of which has failed? Two drives could be either two netware volumes at SFT I, or one volume mirrored using SFT II. Impossible to tell with the network being down. WM> 3. Would this mean I can not install the network software because it WM> will not be serialized for this hardware with a failed drive? Try disconnecting the failed drive, using a standard disk controller, and installing the software as one volume under SFT I. If the software will install, and if the one disk is functional, then it should be able to work in this configuration. WM> 4. What else can cause a serialization error? See the comment concerning the serial number on the OSOBJ installation floppy. WM> 5. What happens if the keycard fails? What is the keycard attached to? ... Line noise provided by South Central Bell! --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 680,"I, too, put a corbin seat on my Hawk. I got the solo seat (which could carry a passenger for a short distance) and it is 100% better than the stock seat. No longer does my voice squeak after the ride to work.",rec.motorcycles 681," > > What evidence indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away? > >Given the enormous power, i was just wondering, what if they are > >quantum black holes or something like that fairly close by? > >Why would they have to be at galactic ranges? . . . David gives good explaination of the deductions from the isotropic, 'edged' distribution, to whit, they are either part of the Universe or part of the Oort cloud. Why couldn't they be Earth centred, with the edge occuring at the edge of the gravisphere? I know there isn't any mechanism for them, but there isn't a mechanism for the others either. What on Earth is the ""gravisphere""? Anyway, before it's decay the Pioneer Venus Orbiter had a gamma ray detector, as does Ulysses, they detect the brightest bursts that the Earth orbit detectors do, so the bursts are at least at Oort cloud distances. In principle four detectors spaced out by a few AU would see parallax if the bursts are of solar system origin. _The_ problem with Oort cloud sources is that absolutely no plausible mechanism has been proposed. It would have to involve new physics as far as I can tell. Closest to ""conventional"" Oort sources is a model of B-field pinching by comets, it's got too many holes in it to count, but at least it was a good try...",sci.space 682," Danny... While working on my shareware toolbar, I found myself 'eating' resources, and a very wise person pointed me to the SDK, and specifically the debug kernel. Once you have all the SDK stuff installed, (this also comes with VC++), you run 'n2d' which does a 'normal-to-debug' swap. The debug kernel runs C O N S I D E R A B L Y slower, but you then execute the command DBWIN, and let it report to you what is going on. You are going to find out a lot more about your Apps than you cared to, and possibly about other peoples Apps (is that OPA?..I'm sorry). If this doesn't make sense, repost, or e-mail me dave -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dave Campbell at WynApse | WynApse wynapse@indirect.com | The Shareware Custom Control Source",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 683," That'll teach me not to qualify my statements... OK, something to shoot for. The Royals will score 531 runs or less this season (although they just decided to get McRae out of the leadoff spot :-( ) Of course, Valentine will throw this one back in my face when the Royals even manage to outscore another AL team. Sean ",rec.sport.baseball 684,"I have a problem with the wallpaper on my desktop, in 1024x768x256 mode. For bitmap files bigger than about 512k (slightly less sometimes depending on the exact dimensions), the wallpaper display is badly corrupted. The rest of the desktop is fine. For wallpaper bitmaps smaller than this, I have no problem. I have a friend who has an 800k bitmap which he has no problems with, so it is possible. It is also possible to display these bitmaps using CShow in 1024x768x256 mode with no problem, so the video card is not at fault. How can I remedy this? My system: 386DX40, 4Mb ram. DOS 6.0, Windows 3.1. Oak 1Mb 077 Video card, 1024x768x256 mode, using supplied drivers. Windows has a permanent 11,288kb swap file. Please reply via e-mail, and _use the address in my .sig_, as our post software always seems to mangle the address in the header. Thanks, Mazz.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 685,"Could someone give me some info on Soft PC. How does it work? What kind of performance can I expect? Can you run windows under it adequately? Any info if appreciated. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 686," You need to run FDISK.",None 687," You could do what I do: never go near the stuff! :) ",None 688,"Wondering if somebody could tell me if we can change the cluster size of my IDE drive. Normally I can do it with Norton's Calibrat on MFM/RLL drives but dunno if I can on IDE too.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 689," The difference is that the 16550 got bugs while the 16550A can be used whithout problems even in fast serial communications. Other sources say that only the 16550AFN from Nat Semi (i.e. not: second sources) is really OK. Best wishes",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 690,": This may be an FAQ (if so, please direct me to the known answer) but I : am getting frustrated and looking for help. : : I am running Win 3.1 with NDW 2.2 on a 486sx with 8 meg of memory and a : 6 meg perm swap file and am getting exceedingly frustrated that my : applications are not giving back system resources when I close them. : I've noticed this also. The way it was explained to me is that Windows does not clear the upper memory blocks after a program is done. Anyone out there know if this is why?",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 691," Depression can also have various chemical (environmental) components. I noticed that I became depressed in various buildings, and at home when the air conditioning was on. Subsequent testing revealed that I was allergic to stemphyllium, a mold commonly found in air conditioners. After I began taking antigens, that problem disappeared.",sci.med 692,"THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 20, 1993 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT IN QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION WITH THE PRESS The Rose Garden 1:36 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: On February the 28th, four federal agents were killed in the line of duty trying to enforce the law against the Branch Davidian compound, which had illegally stockpiled weaponry and ammunition, and placed innocent children at risk. Because the BATF operation had failed to meet its objective, a 51-day standoff ensued. The Federal Bureau of Investigation then made every reasonable effort to bring this perilous situation to an end without bloodshed and further loss of life. The Bureau's efforts were ultimately unavailing because the individual with whom they were dealing, David Koresh, was dangerous, irrational, and probably insane. He engaged in numerous activities which violated both federal law and common standards of decency. He was, moreover, responsible for the deaths and injuries which occurred during the action against the compound in February. Given his inclination towards violence and in an effort to protect his young hostages, no provocative actions were taken for more than seven weeks by federal agents against the compound. This weekend I was briefed by Attorney General Reno on an operation prepared by the FBI, designed to increase pressure on Koresh and persuade those in the compound to surrender peacefully. The plan included a decision to withhold the use of ammunition, even in the face of fire, and instead to use tear gas that would not cause permanent harm to health, but would, it was hoped, force the people in the compound to come outside and to surrender. I was informed of the plan to end the siege. I discussed it with Attorney General Reno. I asked the questions I thought it was appropriate for me to ask. I then told her to do what she thought was right, and I take full responsibility for the implementation of the decision. Yesterday's action ended in a horrible human tragedy. Mr. Koresh's response to the demands for his surrender by federal agents was to destroy himself and murder the children who were his captives, as well as all the other people who were there who did not survive. He killed those he controlled, and he bears ultimate responsibility for the carnage that ensued. Now we must review the past with an eye towards the future. I have directed the United Stated Departments of Justice and Treasury to undertake a vigorous and thorough investigation to uncover what happened and why, and whether anything could have been done differently. I have told the departments to involve independent professional law enforcement officials in the investigation. I expect to receive analysis and answers in whatever time is required to complete the review. Finally, I have directed the departments to cooperate fully with all congressional inquiries so that we can continue to be fully accountable to the American people. I want to express my appreciation to the Attorney General, to the Justice Department, and to the federal agents on the front lines who did the best job they could under deeply difficult circumstances. Again, I want to say as I did yesterday, I am very sorry for the loss of life which occurred at the beginning and at the end of this tragedy in Waco. I hope very much that others who will be tempted to join cults and to become involved with people like David Koresh will be deterred by the horrible scenes they have seen over the last seven weeks. And I hope very much that the difficult situations which federal agents confronted there and which they will be doubtless required to confront in other contexts in the future will be somewhat better handled and better understood because of what has been learned now. Q Mr. President, can you, first of all, tell us why, after 51 days, you decided -- Q Mr. President, can you describe for us what it is that Janet Reno outlined to you in your 15-minute phone conversation with -- THE PRESIDENT: I can't hear you both. If one will go first and then the other. Q Sorry. Can you describe what Janet Reno -- Q Mr. President -- THE PRESIDENT: I'll answer both your questions, but I can't do it at once. Q Can you describe what she told you on Sunday about the nature of the operation and how much detail you knew about it? THE PRESIDENT: Yes. I was told by the Attorney General that the FBI strongly felt that the time had come to take another step in trying to dislodge the people in the compound. And she described generally what the operation would be -- that they wanted to go in and use tear gas which had been tested not to cause permanent damage to adults or to children, but which would make it very difficult for people to stay inside the building. And it was hoped that the tear gas would permit them to come outside. I was further told that under no circumstances would our people fire any shots at them even if fired upon. They were going to shoot the tear gas from armored vehicles which would protect them and there would be no exchange of fire. In fact, as you know, an awful lot of shots were fired by the cult members at the federal officials. There were no shots coming back from the government side. I asked a number of questions. The first question I asked is, why now? We have waited seven weeks; why now? The reasons I was given were the following: Number one, that there was a limit to how long the federal authorities could maintain with their limited resources the quality and intensity of coverage by experts there. They might be needed in other parts of the country. Number two, that the people who had reviewed this had never seen a case quite like this one before, and they were convinced that no progress had been made recently and no progress was going to be made through the normal means of getting Koresh and the other cult members to come out. Number three, that the danger of their doing something to themselves or to others was likely to increase, not decrease, with the passage of time. And number four, that they had reason to believe that the children who were still inside the compound were being abused significantly, as well as being forced to live in unsanitary and unsafe conditions. So for those reasons, they wanted to move at that time. The second question I asked the Attorney General is whether they had given consideration to all of the things that could go wrong and evaluated them against what might happen that was good. She said that the FBI personnel on the scene and those working with them were convinced that the chances of bad things happening would only increase with the passage of time. The third question I asked was, has the military been consulted? As soon as the initial tragedy came to light in Waco, that's the first thing I asked to be done, because it was obvious that this was not a typical law enforcement situation. Military people were then brought in, helped to analyze the situation and some of the problems that were presented by it. And so I asked if the military had been consulted. The Attorney General said that they had, and that they were in basic agreement that there was only one minor tactical difference of opinion between the FBI and the military -- something that both sides thought was not of overwhelming significance. Having asked those questions and gotten those answers, I said that if she thought it was the right thing to do, that she should proceed and that I would support it. And I stand by that today. Q Mr. President -- THE PRESIDENT: Wait. Go ahead. Q Can you address the widespread perception -- reported widely, television, radio and newspapers -- that you were trying somehow to distance yourself from this disaster? THE PRESIDENT: No, I'm bewildered by it. The only reason I made no public statement yesterday -- let me say -- the only reason I made no public statement yesterday is that I had nothing to add to what was being said and I literally did not know until rather late in the day whether anybody was still alive other than those who had been actually seen and taken to the hospital or taken into custody. It was purely and simply a question of waiting for events to unfold. There was -- I have -- I can't account for why people speculated one way or the other, but I talked to the Attorney General on the day before the action took place. I talked to her yesterday. I called her again late last night after she appeared on the Larry King Show, and I talked to her again this morning. A President -- it is not possible for a President to distance himself from things that happen when the federal government is in control. I will say this, however. I was, frankly, surprised would be a mild word, to say that anyone that would suggest that the Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves. (Applause.) I regret what happened, but it is not possible in this life to control the behavior of others in every circumstance. These people killed four federal officials in the line of duty. They were heavily armed. They fired on federal officials yesterday repeatedly, and they were never fired back on. We did everything we could to avoid the loss of life. They made the decision to immolate themselves. And I regret it terribly, and I feel awful about the children. But in the end, the last comment I had from Janet Reno, is when -- and I talked to her on Sunday -- I said, now, I want you to tell me once more why you believe -- not why they believe -- why you believe we should move now rather than wait some more. And she said, it's because of the children. They have evidence that those children are still being abused and that they're in increasingly unsafe conditions, and that they don't think it will get any easier with time -- with the passage of time. I have to take their word for that. So that is where I think things stand. Q Can we assume then that you don't think this was mishandled in view of the outcome, that you didn't run out of patience? And if you had it to do over again, would you really decide that way? THE PRESIDENT: No -- well, I think what you can assume is just exactly what I announced today. This is a -- the FBI has done a lot of things right for this country over a long period of time. This is the same FBI that found the people that bombed the World Trade Center in lickety-split, record time. We want an inquiry to analyze the steps along the way. Is there something else we should have known? Is there some other question they should have asked? Is there some other question I should have asked? Can I say for sure that no one -- that we could have done nothing else to make the outcome come different? I don't know that. That's why I want the inquiry and that's why I would like to make sure that we have some independent law enforcement people, not political people, but totally non-political, outside experts who can bring to bear the best evidence we have. There is, unfortunately, a rise in this sort of fanaticism all across the world. And we may have to confront it again. And I want to know whether there is anything we can do, particularly when there are children involved. But I do think it is important to recognize that the wrong-doers in this case were the people who killed others and then killed themselves. Q Mr. President, were there any other options presented to you for resolving this situation at any point from February 28th until yesterday? THE PRESIDENT: Well, yes, I got regular reports all along the way. There were lots of other options pursued. If you go back -- you all covered it very well. The FBI -- you did a very good job of it. I mean, the FBI and the other authorities there pursued any number of other options all along the way, and a lot of them early on seemed to be working. Some of the children got out, some of the other people left. There was a -- at one point, there seemed to be some lines of communication opening up between Koresh and the authorities. And then he would say things and not do them and things just began to spin downward. Whether there were other -- in terms of what happened yesterday, the conversation I had with the Attorney General did not involve other options except whether we should take more time with the present strategy we were pursuing -- because they said they wanted to do this, because they thought this was the best way to get people out of the compound quickly before they could kill themselves. That's what they thought. Q Did the government know that the children did not have gas masks? Q congressional hearings once the situation -- are you in agreement with that? THE PRESIDENT: That's up to the Congress. They can do whatever they want. But I think it's very important that the Treasury and Justice Departments launch this investigation and bring in some outside experts. And as I said in my statement, if any congressional committees want to look into it, we will fully cooperate. There is nothing to hide here. This was probably the most well-covered operation of its kind in the history of the country. Go ahead, Sarah. Q There are two questions I want to ask you. The first is, I think that they knew very well that the children did not have gas masks while the adults did, so the children had no chance because this gas was very -- she said it was not lethal, but it was very dangerous to the children and they could not have survived without gas masks. And on February 28th -- let's go back -- didn't those people have a right to practice their religion? THE PRESIDENT: They were not just practicing their religion, they were -- the Treasury Department believed that they had violated federal laws, any number of them. Q What federal laws -- THE PRESIDENT: Let me go back and answer -- I can't answer the question about the gas masks, except to tell you that the whole purpose of using the tear gas was that it had been tested; they were convinced that it wouldn't kill either a child or an adult but it would force anybody that breathed it to run outside. And one of the things that I've heard -- I don't want to get into the details of this because I don't know -- but one of the things that they were speculating about today was that the wind was blowing so fast that the windows might have been opened and some of the gas might have escaped and that may be why it didn't have the desired effect. They also knew, Sarah, that there was an underground compound -- a bus buried underground where the children could be sent. And they were -- I think they were hoping very much that if the children were not released immediately outside that the humane thing would be done and that the children would be sent someplace where they could be protected. In terms of the gas masks themselves, I learned yesterday -- I did not ask this fact question before -- that the gas was supposed to stay active in the compound longer than the gas masks themselves were to work. So that it was thought that even if they all had gas masks, that eventually the gas would force them out in a nonviolent, nonshooting circumstance. MS. MYERS: Last question. Q Mr. President, why are you still saying that -- Q Could you tell us whether or not you ever asked Janet Reno about the possibility of a mass suicide? And when you learned about the actual fire and explosion what went through your mind during those horrendous moments? THE PRESIDENT: What I asked Janet Reno is if they had considered all the worse things that could happen. And she said -- and, of course, the whole issue of suicide had been raised in the public -- he had -- that had been debated anyway. And she said that the people who were most knowledgeable about these kinds of issues concluded that there was no greater risk of that now than there would be tomorrow or the next day or the day after that or at anytime in the future. That was the judgment they made. Whether they were right or wrong, of course, we will never know. What happened when I saw the fire, when I saw the building burning? I was sick. I felt terrible. And my immediate concern was whether the children had gotten out and whether they were escaping or whether they were inside, trying to burn themselves up. That's the first thing I wanted to know. Thank you. Q Mr. President, why are you still saying it was a Janet Reno decision? Isn't it, in the end, your decision? THE PRESIDENT: Well, what I'm saying is that I didn't have a four- or five-hour, detailed briefing from the FBI. I didn't go over every strategic part of it. It is a decision for which I take responsibility. I'm the President of the United States and I signed off on the general decision and giving her the authority to make the last call. When I talked to her on Sunday, some time had elapsed. She might have made a decision to change her mind. I said, if you decide to go forward with this tomorrow, I will support you. And I do support her. She is not ultimately responsible to the American people; I am. But I think she has conducted her duties in an appropriate fashion and she has dealt with this situation I think as well as she could have. Thank you. (Applause.)",talk.politics.misc 693,,None 694," I read it. I found it wonderful. For some reason (no flames, please), I was reminded of Hemingway, Carl Orff and Van Gogh (not all at once, though). ",None 695," As St. Augustine said, ""I did not invent original sin, which the Catholic faith holds from ancient time; but you, who deny it, without a doubt are a follower of a new heresy."" (De nuptiis, lib. 11.c.12)]",soc.religion.christian 696," I've only ever seen this called once. Back around 1979-1980. I think that Steve Carlton was pitching. On the other hand, I am not sure how much effect this would have. It seems that most of the time lost is when there are runners on base and the rule does not cover this. I have wondered why a pitcher is given 8 pitches when he enters the game. Let's be serious. The relief pitcher has normally been throwing out in the bullpen for a few minutes. Does he really need 8 more pitches? ",rec.sport.baseball 697," Since you asked, the above is a bit inaccurate. More accurate is that the government says its solid, other people in the field who might be able to find out haven't yet done their review of the chip design, and there's been a lot of wild speculation and guesswork from those with little information that it might be Swiss cheese. David ",sci.crypt 698," Just from experience, seeing a couple of houses burn down, one doesn't need any accelerant to get a lot of black soot. There's plenty of stuff in a house that will burn 'dirty'. Even the asphalt shingles would make a really sooty smoke.",talk.politics.guns 699," A great deal of documentation exists on exactly that phenomenon. Especially regarding Vietnam and the Mai Lai (sp?) massacre Not that I'm suggesting that they started it on purpose but even if they now know that they accidentally started (or contributed to it) you can be sure the initial reaction is to lie. Remember the Iranian airliner which the US navy mistook for a fighter and shot down?",talk.politics.guns 700,"At the moment, I am using a Sun 3/80 (cgfour/bwtwo) with SunOS 4.0.3 and OpenWindows 2.0. This configuration is slow and I can't run all the programs on OW2. For example, when I start a mailtool from OW3 and display it on my OW2 display, I can't open the compose window. I want to install an X11R5 or X11R4 server on my Sun and use xdm (yes, we have xdm already running for other X-Terminals) to log in and start the X programs. Is there a ""ready to go"" binairy of the X11 server for my configuration (I have read something about Xsun), or must I compile the X11 stuff by myself? Any help is welcome V. Smeets ",comp.windows.x 701," It first depends on what an idle cpu is doing! I'm not sure about DOS, but many multitasking OSs have an loop like this loop: is there anything to do? YES -> do it; goto loop NO -> goto loop The CPU is not doing any work but it is still processing instructions... It will also respond to interupts... Guy",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 702,"I just wanted to point out, that Teflon wasn't from the space program. It was from the WWII nuclear weapons development program. Pipes in the system for fractioning and enriching uranium had to be lined with it. Uranium Hexafloride was the chemical they turned the pitchblend into for enrichment. It is massively corrosive. Even to Stainless steels. Hence the need for a very inert substaance to line the pipes with. Teflon has all its molecular sockets bound up already, so it is very unreactive. My 2 sense worth.",sci.space 703,"Hello, I am admin for an RS/6000 running AIX 3.2, X11R5, Motif, and xdt3. I want to prevent the user from hitting CNTL-ALT-BKSPC to exit X. I've tried invoking X with 'xinit -T', but that doesn't work. xinit appends the -T to the call to .xinitrc, and not to the call to X. The man page to xinit is no help. In fact, it tells me that xinit is a script when it is really a binary file. So far, the only way I've been able to accomplish this feat is to add the -T to the call to X in /usr/lpp/X11/defaults/xserverrc. I would rather not do it this way. Does anyone have any other ideas? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian DeFord Internet: deford@netwrx1.nw1.com Open Networks, Inc. Usenet: uunet!netwrx1!deford 11490 Commerce Park Dr. #205 Tel: 703-648-0013 Reston, VA 22091 FAX: 703-648-0016 ",comp.windows.x 704,"A while ago I saw some translucent pads, about 6""x8"" or so that could be plugged into (something) and they would glow. One was red, another green, another blue. Interresting. I was wondering if anyone would have a feed on anything of this nature, and of the price. oh, the pads were rubber-like and were floppy like, about 1cm thick or so. Thanks. _________________________________________________ Inspiration | ___ | comes to | \ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca | those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca | seek the | /-\ =] Baden de Bari [= | unknown. | |",sci.electronics 705,"Did anyone install xdbx v2.1.2 on SGI workstation ? Thanks for your answer. Gildas PERROT.",comp.windows.x 706,"-*---- Far from being ""tossed out,"" the gospels are taken, almost universally, as the primary source of information about Jesus. I am curious as to whom Mike Cobb is referring. Who ""tosses out"" the New Testament? Undoubtedly a few *naive* atheists do this, but the phrasing of the question above seems to suggest that Cobb ascribes this more broadly. Perhaps the question that gets more to the heart of the matter is why, except for some *naive* believers (who, unfortunately, far outnumber nonbelievers, both naive and critical), are the gospels *not* taken as ""gospel truth"" that faithfully records just what happened two thousand years ago? This has an easy answer, and the answer has *nothing* to do with miracles: no text is taken this way by a critical reader. There is a myth among some naive believers that one takes a text, measures it by some set of criteria, and then either confirms the text as ""historically valid"" or ""tosses out"" the text. I suspect this myth comes from the way history is presented in primary and secondary school, where certain texts are vested with authority, and from writers such as Josh McDowell who pretend to present historical arguments along these lines for their religious program. In fact, most texts used in primary and secondary school history classes ought to be tossed out, even the better such texts should not be treated as authoritatively as descibed above, and Josh McDowell would not know a historical argument if it bit him on the keister twice. Let me present the barest outlines of a different view of texts and their use in studying history. First, all texts are historically valid. ALL texts. Or to put this another way, I have never seen a notion of ""historical validity"" that makes any sense when applied to a text. Second, no text should be read as telling the ""gospel truth"" about historical events, in the way that many students are wont to read history texts in primary and secondary school. NO text. (This includes your favorite author's history of whatever.) Every text is a historical fact. Every text was written by some person (or some group of people) for some purpose. Hence, every text can serve as historical evidence. The question is: what can we learn from a text? Of what interesting things (if any) does the text provide evidence? The diaries of the followers of the Maharishi, formerly of Oregon, are historical evidence. The gospels are historical evidence. The letters of the officers who participated in the vampire inquests in Eastern Europe are historical evidence. The modern American history textbooks that whitewash ""great American figures"" are historical evidence. These are all historical evidence of various things. They are *not* much evidence at all that the Maharishi, formerly of Oregon, could levitate; that Jesus was resurrected; that vampires exist; or that ""great American figures"" are as squeaky clean as we learned in school. They are better evidence that some people ""saw"" the Maharishi, late of Oregon, levitate; that some of the early Christians thought Jesus was resurrected; that many people in Eastern Europe ""saw"" vampires return from the grave; and that we still have an educational system that largely prefers to spread myth rather than teach history. How does one draw causal connections and infer what a piece of historical evidence -- text or otherwise -- evinces? This is a very complex question that has no easily summarized answer. There are many books on the subject or various parts of the subject. I enjoy David Hackett Fischer's ""Historian's Fallacies"" as a good antidote to the uncritical way in which it is so easy to read texts present history. It's relatively cheap. It's easy to read. Give it a try.",talk.religion.misc 707," Well, it seems we don't learn the lessons of history do we? I was hoping that Kent State taught us a lesson. Apparently not. Apparently the government will murder anyone they choose to still. --- Rawlin Blake blake@nevada.edu",talk.politics.guns 708,"Well, I'm finally about to key in the official rules for the archives, but before I do, I will ask again... does anybody have the official MLB rules in electronic format? Just trying to save myself a ton of work...no, they don't scan well because of the ridiculous format they're printed in. thanks - Matt Matt Wall * wall@cc.swarthmore.edu * Hey, I gotta job here, OK?",rec.sport.baseball 709,"This would be susceptible to fading, multi-path etc. We used to use a system at the shop made by Tellurometer in South Africa. It used a 10 GHz signal between 2 units across the distance to be measured. The 10 GHz was just the carrier: the real signals were several switched ones around 7.5 MHz or so, whose relative phases at the receiver would read out the digits of the distance down to 10 cm if needed. The units came with psychrometers (sp?) to measure the relative humidity and instructions for correction of the measurements due to RH and temp. They were rather heavy and required an operator at each end. Current technology uses polarized reflectors, dual polaization TX/RX and psuedo-random coding of a radar pulse. about the same resolution at X band, much better at 47GHz. (Only one end is heavy :-) ). Regards, Stu Beal, VE3MWM, U009@CSX.CCIW.CA, National Water Research Institute, Burlington, Ontario, Canada.",sci.electronics 710," In other words, the right of might. In other words, the right of might. In other words, he can do it, he did it, and your in no position to argue about it. In other words, you better do what this God wants you to do, or else! ",talk.religion.misc 711," Well, where is he? Another false Messiah shot down in flames. Matthew 24:4 ""Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ', and will deceive many."" Matthew 24:23 ""At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect - if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time."" Do we listen? Sadly, not all of us do. Peace be with you, and condolences to the families of those lost at Waco. Malcolm Lee ",talk.religion.misc 712," Curiously enough, this subject has occupied a good bit of my prayer life recently. God's experience of time is so completely different from our own, since He is both within and without it. Using words like ""foreknowledge"" and ""predestination"" are semantically incorrect when it comes to describing God's perception of our action, because, for God, the beginning, living, and ending of our lives are all the same. Sort of. For God, there is no ""before"" when He did not know, so he could not have ""foreknowledge"" of our lives or a time when he could have ""predestined"" our actions. In fact, since our understanding of things is so tied to our linear experience of time, I would say that it is impossible for us to understand completely how our free will interacts with God's control of the universe.",soc.religion.christian 713,"My mother has been advised to have a bone scan performed? What is this procedure for, and is it painful? She's been having leg and back pain which her GP said was sciatica. Her oncologist listened to her symptoms and said that it didn't sound like sciatica, and she should get a bone scan. ",sci.med 714,"But I have to agree.. Boston is a good team.. But streaky... They put together a great streak to capture first place in the Adams, but for what? They have lost the home ice advantage for at least the first round, and might not make it out of it. I would love to see the Sabres win the first round, even though I bet on the Bruins (a 12-pack). Oh well, perhaps I should start betting against the Sabres more often! ;-) ",rec.sport.hockey 715,"Does anyone here know where I can find a modem and comm. software for an Apple IIe? I would prefer in Manhattan, but New Jersey would work too. David Tillyer, DATCC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 716," Lets talk about principles. If we accept that God sets the standards for what ought to be included in Scripture - then we can ask: 1. Is it authoritative? 2. Is it prophetic? 3. Is it authentic? 4. Is it dynamic? 5. Is it received, collected, read and used? On these counts, the apocrapha falls short of the glory of God. To quote Unger's Bible Dictionary on the Apocrapha: 1. They abound in historical and geographical inaccuracies and anachronisms. 2. They teach doctrines which are false and foster practices which are at variance with sacred Scripture. 3. They resort to literary types and display an artificiality of subject matter and styling out of keeping with sacred Scripture. 4. They lack the distinctive elements which give genuine Scripture their divine character, such as prophetic power and poetic and religious feeling. But the problem with this argument lies in the assumption that the Hebrew canon included the Apocrapha in the first place, and it wasn't until the sixteenth century that Luther and co. threw them out. The Jewish council you mentioned previously didn't accept them, so the reformation protestants had good historical precedence for their actions. Jerome only translated the apocrapha under protest, and it was literally 'over his dead body' that it was included in the catholic canon. How do you then view the words: ""I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from this book the prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city"" (Rev 22.18-9) Surely this sets the standard and not just man-made traditions. It is also noteworthy to consider Jesus' attitude. He had no argument with the pharisees over any of the OT canon (John 10.31-6), and explained to his followers on the road to Emmaus that in the law, prophets and psalms which referred to him - the OT division of Scripture (Luke 24.44), as well as in Luke 11.51 taking Genesis to Chronicles (the jewish order - we would say Genesis to Malachi) as Scripture. I am not familiar with the book. Some other arguments you might like to consider are found in Chapter 3 of Josh McDowell's Evidence That Demands A Verdict.",soc.religion.christian 717," Though I think this an overstatement, it does contain a grain of truth. It's drug dealers, spies, terrorists, and organized crime figures (assuming enough probable cause to convince a judge) who need to be watched, not law-abiding citizens. David",sci.crypt 718," Yes, I have both Arts & Letters and CorelDraw. I personally like Arts & Letters better but there are things I like about Arts & Letters that CorelDraw doesn't do an vice-versa. I haven't found the perfect graphics program that does everything yet. My favorite feature from CorelDraw is that it imports alot of different formats. Arts & Letters does not. I like the thousands of clipart available with Arts & Letters. However, I do find looking them up in a book and referencing them by number to be annoying. One of my major problems is that there isn't any programs available on the market for the artistically deprived :-). ",comp.graphics 719,"PhaNG, the Philadelphia Area NEXTSTEP User Group, will be holding a public sneak preview of NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors. Where: David Rittenhouse Labs Room A1 33rd And Walnut, southeast corner, Philadelphia PA When: Wednesday, May 5th 7 pm to 9 pm NEXTSTEP is the 32 bit UNIX based operating environment which has, until now, only been available on Motorola-based NeXT computers. In the May 11th issue of PC Magazine called NEXTSTEP a ""Hot Prospect"". Now, NeXT is nearing release of a version of NEXTSTEP which will run on 486-based PC's, yet is identical to the 68040 version. In fact, NEXTSTEP 3.1 includes the ability to easily compile a program into a single binary which will run on both Intel and Motorola hardware. NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Intel Processors will be demonstrated on an Epson Progression 486 computer. NEXTSTEP is scheduled for release on May 25 at NeXTWorld Expo in San Francisco. The demonstration will be open to the public. Come one come all! If you are interested in seeing the most advanced PC operating system around, come on by! For a brief summary of what NEXTSTEP offers, see the May 11th issue of PC Magazine, page 66. For more information, contact me: Jonathan Hendry PhaNG, the Philadelphia Area NEXTSTEP User Group 215-653-0911 jon@afs.com -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu ""The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things."" bbum@stone.co -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 720," ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ Benzene is most definitely a carcinogen. If you can get your hands on it * Don't use it! *",sci.electronics 721," The May 1993 cover of QST has a picture of three different boards without any solder mask (you can tell from the copper colored traces). The box labeled 2304 transverter has the brown teflon/glass board, while the one in the center has the grayish board exposed. On the left is some fiberglass board that looks green to me. I see no reason for putting solder mask on circuit board used for box covers :-). I wonder if any manufacturer actually puts a solder mask on their low noise microwave preamps? Often, microwave circuits have odd bits of wire/foil/metal attached to wherever/whatever is necessary to make the unit work properly (this is a commercial product?). A solder mask would certainly make doing this tougher, never mind the finding something that minimally degrades the circuits. (Q dope for coils *does* not improve the Q--it just holds things together with minimal loss). Zack Lau KH6CP/1 Internet: zlau@arrl.org ""Working"" on 24 GHz SSB/CW gear Operating Interests: 10 GHz CW/SSB/FM US Mail: c/o ARRL Lab 80/40/20 CW 225 Main Street Station capability: QRP, 1.8 MHz to 10 GHz Newington CT 06111 modes: CW/SSB/FM/packet amtor/baudot Phone (if you really have to): 203-666-1541 Zack Lau KH6CP/1 Internet: zlau@arrl.org ""Working"" on 24 GHz SSB/CW gear Operating Interests: 10 GHz CW/SSB/FM US Mail: c/o ARRL Lab 80/40/20 CW 225 Main Street Station capability: QRP, 1.8 MHz to 10 GHz Newington CT 06111 modes: CW/SSB/FM/packet amtor/baudot Phone (if you really have to): 203-666-1541",sci.electronics 722,"[much blathering on the Role Of Military Forces in Enforcing Civil Law deleted] The main problem with trying to get the Military involved in Police work is the differences in the missions. The Police take names, try and find out what happened, stop suspects (thats the meaning of 'arrest') and turn them over to the custody of the Judicial Branch for the adjudication of their case. The Military's mission is to kill the enemy before they can escape or surrender. chus pyotr ",talk.politics.misc 723,"I was privelged enough to experience my first Volvo attack this weekend. I was last in a line of traffic that was about 6 vehicles long, riding down Rt. 40 in Groton Ma. At the side of the road, sitting off on the shoulder was the killer Volvo in question. No brake lights, no turn signal, nothing. We were doing about 40 mph and I was following the cage in front of me about 2.5-3 sec. back. Well, as said cage passes the Volvo, the Brain Dead Idiot (tm) behind the wheel decides that she doesn't need to wait for me to pass also and turns out perpendicular across both lanes of traffic so that she can turn around... So I get on the brakes in a effort to not T-bone it, and the horn in an effort to wake the BDI up. As she finishes the turn, she looks up at me with a completely blank, uncomprehending stare. Where can I get rocket launchers for the VFR? Dean",rec.motorcycles 724,"It's gotta be an HBP. ",None 725," I don't think I've changed my stance at all. My original stance was that a painless execution was not a cruel one. I didn't say what would be considered cruel, only that a painless death wasn't. Now, cruelty must involve some sort of suffering, I believe. I don't think someone that gets shot in the head or electrocuted really suffers very much. Even a hanging probably produces one sharp instance of pain, but it's over so quickly... Pardon? No. Well, again I stated that a painless death isn't cruel, but I don't think I stated that all painful executions *are* cruel. I think that some are cruel, depending on the nature and duration of the pain. Anything more than an instant, I guess. Any death by suffocation asphyxiation, or blood loss would be cruel, I think (this includes the gas chamber, and drawing and quartering). I'd say that any pain that lasts, say, over twenty seconds or so would be too long (but this may be an arbitrary cutoff, I suppose).",alt.atheism 726," You know, I'm a Ford fan, I must say, so I'm looking forward to the next Mustang. I have faith that it will be a fine product, more desireable than the Camaro is now. You know, that's MHO. The differences these days between Ford and GM are not so much the quality, just the philosophy. It used to be quality _and_ philosophy. GM is barely catching up, but they have more room for improvement that can only be made up in time. STSs still come off the assembly line with screwed up paint stripes and poor trunk/door/hood/panel alignments; it's those 75 year old plants. And the latest GM products still come with the standard equipment RattleDash (tm). But like I said, they're getting better and making the move in the right direction. They beat Ford to the market with the Camaro/Firebird, but really only in words. Production of these vehicles will be limited until the end of the year, keeping selling prices above MSRP for the most part since there are so many twitching Camaro fans out there. I wouldn't press Ford to hurry the Mustang since the final wait could be worth it. Besides, no bow-tie fanatic is gonna buy the Mustang anyway. I do not put much stock in the mag rags' ""inside"" information, or even Ford rep quotes. The Taurus was pretty much a surprise when it was finally disclosed in it's entirety. ""Inside"" information had the Taurus with a V8 and rear-wheel drive at one point. I wouldn't look for a simple re-paneled Mustang, folks; you may be cheating yourself if you do. There's a lot of potential. Ford hasn't released a new car without a 4-wheel IS in 7 years. The Mustang project has been brewing for at least 4, right? A 4-wheel IS could happen. Those modular V8's are out there, too. In the interest of CAFE and competition, don't rule those out, either. Your ignorant if you do. And there are so many spy shots and artist renderings out there, who really knows what it'll look like? The Mach III? Doubt it. Highly. The next Mustang will be Ford's highest profile car. It attracts way more attention than the Camaro/Firebird because it's heritage is more embedded in the general public. Don't lie to yourself and believe Ford will forfeit that. I submit that the Mustang will be a success. Enough to elicit defensive remarks from some heavy Camaro fans here. You know, intelligent, critical spews like, ""The Mustang bites, man!"" Some of you are already beginning. I predict that the Mustang and Camaro will be comparable performers, as usual. I predict that the differences will be in subjective areas like looks and feel, as usual. The Camaro is still a huge automobile; the Mustang will retain its cab-rearward styling and short, pony-car wheelbase. The Camaro still reaches out to the fighter pilot, while the Mustang will appeal to the driver. The Camaro will still sell to the muscle car set, while the Mustang will continue to sell to the college-degreed muscle car set. Both will be more refined (I do think the Camaro is). There will be no clear winner. Unless the Ford gets the 32v, 300hp Romeo. You don't seriously believe that it was designed for the Mark VIII only, do you? :^) Regards, Brian bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am the engineer, I can choose K.",rec.autos 727," I've been wondering about this myself. The house wiring thing is really hokey. There is no doubt that high pressure ultrasound is annoying, but to whom? Given that these devices have been advertised to be effective against everything from insects to rodents to nasty dogs, what is to say that my insect repeller won't just annnoy my dog and give me headaches? Could there be that much selectivity in frequencies? Have there been ANY studies on the effects of various pressure levels, bands, and sweep patterns on various life forms? And how effective could they be? I certainly would not want to tell anyone that they are safe from nasty dogs because they were carrying a piezoelectric buzzer... ",sci.electronics 728,"OFFICIAL UNITED NATIONS SOUVENIR FOLDERS Each contains all the stamps issued for that year along with descriptive information regarding each issue. The stamps are mint never hinged. The RETAIL (not catalog) prices listed are from the leading United Nations dealer, Mike Armus. The stamps were issued for use by the U.N. offices in New York and Geneva Switzerland. Price: TAKE 50% the current retail price for any folder. Take 10 or more folders take 60% OFF the total. Take all 32 folders take 65% off the total. In many cases these folders are priced at or below the face value of the stamps, particularly the Geneva ones. YEAR New York Geneva ---- -------- ------ 1963 $9.75 1964 $4.50 1965 $5.95 1966 $2.75 1967 $2.75 1968 $5.95 1969 $2.45 $7.50 1970 $2.75 $8.95 1971 $2.75 $5.50 1972 $3.75 $6.35 1973 $2.75 $4.95 1974 $3.75 $5.75 1975 $3.45 $6.75 1976 $7.45 $7.35 1977 $3.50 $5.45 1978 $4.50 $5.35 1979 $4.15 $5.25 1980 $4.25 $4.75 1981 $4.85 $4.50 Shipping: Add 25 cents per folder to cover actual first class shipping cost. Foreign orders, I will charge the actual shipping cost (airmail), let me know how many folders you want.",misc.forsale 729,"Anyone have a phone number for Applied Engineering so I can give them a call?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 730," Supernovae put out 10^53 or 10^54 (i forget which, but it's only an order of magnitude...). Not in gamma rays, though. You'd hafta get all of that into gammas if they were at 9 Mpc, but if a decent fraction of the SN output was in gammas it could reasonably be extragalactic (but closer than 9 Mpc). I dunno SN theory so well, but I can't think of how to get many gammas out. Maybe I should look it up. Big radio galaxies can put out 10^46 erg/s *continually*. That's just in the radio... there are a lot of gammas around them, too, but ""bursts""? Nah. Neither of these should be taken as explanations... just trying to show that those energies *are* produced by things we know about. ",sci.space 731," Yes, but still not a 6502 for those differences. Same instruction set, of course. Yes, the same number, but an entirely different device. I should have qualified this further by stating that this was the PAL version of the TIA - I am not 100% sure that the NTSC TIA would have a different number. Does anyone on the net actually have details of the TIA, as this is the only device I have not yet discovered details about? Atari Australia, when asked, claimed that their attempts to get the programmers documentation for the 2600 had failed, as the US head office had refused to provide it. I saw a couple of cheaper devices with PN2222's and a couple of resistors hooked up as a cheap inverter. Nasty, but workable, and cheaper than a 7404 inverter if labor costs almost nothing.",sci.electronics 732," Only problem is that Zombo was traded to St. Louis last year for goalie Vincent Riendeau. I think that while Chevy is not among the elite class of goalies, he is adequate given the offensive firepower of the Wings.",rec.sport.hockey 733,"FOR SALE PC TOOLS VERSION 7.1 All original disks and manuals included. $50 or best offer Please send replies to gt7187c@prism.gatech.edu ",misc.forsale 734,"I'd like to hear stories on experiences with the Hyundai Sonata. I know Consumer Reports has trashed them but the people I know that have them swear by them. They also haven't had the problems with them that Consumer Reports claims. I haven't driven one yet. I have driven a '93 Hyundai Elantra (which Consumer Reports also trashed) and was very impressed with it. The local Hyundai dealership (""no-haggle"" policy) is offering an Elantra GLS w/ power moonroof for $13163. They also have a Sonata base, w/ Sunroof for $13997. I know my preference is for a Sonata GLS w/ sunroof and 4-spd automatic. I'll decide which engine I prefer after test driving both the 4-cyl and the V6. The Sonata is also offering a $1500 rebate. Hmmm, that's another question. Is the following scenario the appropriate manner to handle ""negotiation""? 1. make offer 2. subtract rebate from offer 3. talk trade 4. subtract trade from offer to get final price ",rec.autos 735," Whatever happened to uwm? Is it still available in some form? It's been years since I used it or heard anyone talk about it. -- ",comp.windows.x 736," Michael J. Fox was on Letterman about a year ago (or two) during the playoffs as a celebrity hockey player for the Bruins. While he's not exactly a NHLer he did mention that the Bruins wanted to break Ulfie's legs (or something like that) in response to the Neely incident. It was quite amusing, as one of the few Letterman viewers who actually knew what he was talking about. Anybody know who the Pens celebrity hockey player is? Michael Douglas (aka Michael Keaton)?",rec.sport.hockey 737,"[some deleted] One thing that seems ambiguous is whether a signal being echoed down from geosynchronous orbit is ""...from outside the United States."" Also, being able to assess whether NSA is playing by the rules requires knowing what the rules are. We only know a subset. For those even more suspicious, there could be other surveillance organizations ""blacker"" than the NSA. ",sci.crypt 738," Dream machine quality ain't what it used to be Kinetic Art did some great paint jobs on Bimotas. Don't know if they are still around.",rec.motorcycles 739,"I was just wondering if anyone new how I could get the BETA version of Windows NT, and be part of the BETA program. Thanks gel@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 740,"I really think you are comparing apples and oranges. Nobody disputes that OS/2 has more big OS features. The question is Does an individual need the power. The sales of Windows vs OS/2 answer that question. The next question is even if I did want to run OS/2 and I had this big monster machine to run it on, is there a diverse set of applications to run on it that allow me to productviely do my work. Go to your local computer store to answer this one. I think the comparison you need to be doing is NT vs OS2/2.1. This is where the new battle lines will be drawn. Windows 3.1 has won the single user PC war the next one will be the client server war and the entries are NT, OS2/2.1, UNIX and Netware 4.0. Granted these OS's will be eventually scaled down to be attractive to the single user PC and that will probably be phase II' of the war. Who wins only the marketplace will tell but it sure is fun watching and arguing about it tho. Thx Dave L ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 741," Many thanks for the replies I received to this. A couple of people suggested how I could get the paint package to work properly, but in the end I took the advice of someone else to try Paintshop Pro from cica.indiana.edu. Thanks again. --Philip ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 742,"From article <1993May14.023220.1@vax1.tcd.ie>, by apryan@vax1.tcd.ie: Hmmm... Atlantis left Eureca in a 28 degree orbit. Retrieving it is going to be *REALLY* fun if they fly to 57 degrees. Torque that Canadarm! :-)",sci.space 743," I remember a simple program that would play those chimes for you when you clicked their respective buttons. Does anyone know where that is? This was circa 1988, I think. Cheers, -e.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 744," Another name for this region is Cis-Jordan.",talk.politics.mideast 745,,None 746,"# # >> I am not aware of any such incidents. # > # > # >> I've read most of the history books dealing with this period, # >> good and bad, and while it is possible that I missed one or two, # >> none of those I've read documents any razing of mosques. So I # >> think that this remarkable claim requires specific documentation. # > # >For the forgetful newcomers, here are the references. # > # >The reference I based my posting on originally is the book ""The West # >Bank Story"", by Rafik Halabi (New York: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich # >1982. Original title: Die Westbank Story). # > # >Quoting from The West Bank Story, pages 35-36: # >""On the night of June 10, an Israeli officer marched from door to door # >through the Moghrabi Quarter [of East Jerusalem] giving the residents # >three hours' notice to evacuate their homes. # > # >... [The participants in a # >July 24, 1967 meeting of a group of Arab relgious and political # >figures] protested the immodest dress of Israelis visiting the mosques # >and the destruction of two mosques in the Moghrabi Quarter adjacent to # >the Western Wall."" # # This issue has been going on for a while and your presentation here of # just one reference probably won't resolve this issue to those that # oppose your insistence that mosques *were* destroyed. Even in your # location of this one reference, you spend most of your quote dealing # with an incidence that, while abhorrant, has nothing to do with the # issue at hand here. Then, at the end of the quote, there is an almost # off-hand comment that ""two mosques"" were destroyed. Tim, you're missing the big sleight-of-hand here. I can accept every word quoted from Halabi and still have ZERO evidence of any mosques being razed. Note that what Halabi refers to is not that mosques were razed but that people PROTESTED alleged razing. Too well we know that this is a common demagogic tactic (or has anyone forgotten the Temple Mount riots, when the Moslem crowd was led to believe that the Israeli Guards were there to cover for the TMF instead of stop them?)",talk.politics.mideast 747," >I wouldn't think so. Asking people to trust a secret algorithm seems >unsound to me. Maybe so, but it's quite common. There are millions of Macintosh users who have no idea what's in Apple's patented ROMs. Many have modems connected. How do you know all your business secrets aren't being stolen? Answer: 1. Because you trust Apple; 2. Because if any such attempt, however sophicsticated, came out, it would destroy Apple's credibility forever. Then there's also 3) Because it's NOT SECRET. If I want to, I CAN go look at Apple's copyrighted ROMs in a Mac, so they're not keeping any secrets. You don't even have to pry the top off the chip and use an electron microscope, you just have to read the data in memory and see if you can figure out what it means. (Motorola object code isn't all *that* obscure!) Yes, it's copyrighted, so I can't go selling copies, or using the copy myself, but I CAN see it, and disassemble it. 4) They're not asking me to trust their honesty. They're asking me to trust the quality of their assembly language programming :-), but I can see for myself what the performance, price, and crashes/day are. NSA, an organization not known for its honesty or openness, is asking me to trust them with my privacy, but they won't trust me. Feh!",sci.crypt 748,"Markus> NNTP-Posting-Host: samos.uni-paderborn.de Markus> Hello everybody out there ! Markus> I'm trying to compile X11R5pl23 and Motif 1.2.1 on a HP running Markus> HP-UX 8.05. But it' seems to be not very succesful, because Markus> I have only hp.cf config-files for HP-UX 7.0. Markus> I tried standard cc and X was compiled with a lot of warnings. Markus> The motif applications are compiled quite well, but they won't run. Markus> I receive the XKeysymDB error which is reported in FAQ, but Markus> I cannot fix it. The XKeysymDB-file is at the right location and it Markus> works fine under SunOS. Markus> Probably I have started the compilation Prozess only with a wrong Markus> config-file. Markus> Please help me ! Markus> Markus> Thanx in advance Markus> Markus If you installed X lib Xt by redefining ProjectRoot, you will find that during the install it recompiles one of the files in X lib that does the search for XKeysmDB and embeds the search path for the file based on whatever ProjectRoot was defined. TO confirm this what happened, because I'm guessing, go to mit/lib/X and do strings XStrKeySym.o | egrep XKeysymDB",comp.windows.x 749," I know the roads up there in Minnesota are pretty bad, but I doubt that they are THAT bad. I've never realy tried to watch my back tyre but, my 82 Maxim 750 will pull the front wheel off the ground if I pop the clutch. Admittedly, it is easier with someone on back, maybe that's what keeps the rear tyre down. ;-) ",rec.motorcycles 750,"Here's a summary of Don Cherry's Coach's Corner from April 23, 1993. It was taken from a tape delay of a Vancouver-Winnipeg game, but it was filmed during the Toronto-Detroit game that night. I think it was also shown during the Calgary-LA game. (Warning... Anti-fighting people may want to skip this post.) Topics ------ Don's Tie, Doug Gilmour, Wings/Leafs, Quebec/Montreal, Boston/Buffalo, Wendel Clark, Fighting and Stickwork. Episode Summary --------------- Once again, the episode started with a shot of Don's tie... This was a different tie than last time. Don pointed out some of the characters on the tie, but gave them different names... Felix the Cat (Sylverster), Maclean (Daffy Duck), etc. Ron Maclean asked Don what he thought of the current Wings-Leafs game. Don thought it was good. Burns told the Leaf players ""They won in their building, we're going to win in ours"". Don then began to praise Gilmour again. Don pointed out that Gilmour has never got less than 2 points or a goal in any game since he got 5 points in a game against St. Louis. (Don also claims that he gave a lot of encouragement to Gilmour, which was partly responsible for his good play.) Several clips were then shown of Gilmour from the series... A hit on Constantinov, and a pass to Andrewchuk resulting in a goal. On the game itself, the Wings were taking a lot of penalties in the first period. The Wings have enough talent to score short handed however, and when the Leafs get a power play, Coach Burns tells the Leaf players ""Don't let them score on you"". Ron brought up the previous Quebec-Montreal game. [Note: Montreal won that game in overtime, despite having a possible game winner disqualified because it was batted in with a high stick.] Don thought the high stick was obvious, even without the use of instant replay. On the Buffalo-Boston series [Note: Buffalo is currently winning the series 3-0], Don gave full credit to Goaltender Grant Fuhr. Fuhr should be getting 1/2 the team's playoff checks for his play. Wendel Clarke has recently been criticized for his performance during the Detroit-Toronto series. Don defended him, by saying that he can't play the way he should, because of the league's new rules. ""This used to be a rough and tough league... Now its all hack and slash."" Don lays the blame on Gil Stien for the problems. Don's opinions on fighting and stickwork are shared by Wings GM and coach Bryan Murray. A clip from a news conference by Murray was shown, in which Murray made statements claiming the elimination of fighting increases stickwork. Don also read a newspaper article in which Murray makes the following statements: ""Players don't fight because they're afraid of getting thrown out of the game as instigator. Instead, they settle grudges by getting their sticks and slicing each other. Is this what the fans want to see? I guarantee there wouldn't be as many slashes if fighting were kept in the game."" Don warned league commisioner Gary Bettman to ""smarten up"" with fighting in hockey. He went on to say that before, there used to be one guy cut with a high stick in a series. Now, with no fights, someone gets cut every period. Rating ------ Typical anti-fighting posturing, but here Don's opinion is supported by Murray.",rec.sport.hockey 751," Anyone claiming that 1500 ""real watts"" isn't possible in a mobile should dig through their back issues of 73 (and, I think, QST) for a description of the mobile installation of that most revered of OMs, W6AM. As I recall, this included a Heath 1kW (DC in) amp (what was that model number...SB- something.... my mind is turning to the usual Friday mush...) and was run full-out CW fairly regulary. The car's electrical system had been modified, including a rather seriously-heavy-duty alternator, but such an installation HAS been done, and so IS possible. This installation was the source of the legendary story of W6AM sitting in the car, and paging his wife over the department store PA systems! ",sci.electronics 752," [ 2 good reasons deleted. AI] It's even worse than that -- ""Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it"" (Deut. 4:2). Shall we rip out every page from our Bibles beginning from Joshua through Revelation?",soc.religion.christian 753," Imagine, you have been under seige for almost two months by an enemy which you believe wants to kill you. Suddenly, they pump tear gas into your building and punch holes in it with tanks. Then a fire breaks out. Do you run outside to be slaughtered, or stay and face your fate. Check Ethiopia vs. Italy in WWII for some answers to that question.",talk.politics.guns 754,"Did anyone see the Montreal - Quebec game yesterday? It was tight right down to the last second of the third period. In the overtime Roy and Hextall played like they were gods. Ok, so Montreal won! They deserved it after getting their first goal in overtime waved off because the puck was hit in with a high stick. Their second goal in overtime was also replayed, but I could not tell if it was the Montreal player who kicked it in. The puck definitely was not directed in by a stick. Anyways, Montreal is back into the series. ",rec.sport.hockey 755,,None 756," WHY!!! DC/Baltimore is one of the top media markets (=the only thing the NHL seems to care about these days), they've been doing far better than the NBA Bullets at the gate for the last five years. The team has been a perennial contender and fan support has been good to excellent . . . Why should Pollin move to city that's five times smaller but has as many teams in other pro sports. I don't get it... ",rec.sport.hockey 757," Either I've just fallen for this, or you guys are _really_ paranoid! You're actually worried about somebody stealing your oil? C'mon, you think a vandal'll do that?! That's absolutely ridiculous! Besides, how hard is it to get under the car to change the oil? I can say from experience on the cars that I've driven and changed the oil on, my Mazda 323 is pretty much a pain, but once you've done it once, you don't forget how, and it gets easier. I can't imagine any other cars are much worse than mine. ",rec.autos 758,"We're looking at various X11 clients for PC's and we're looking for some information about the relative efficiency of different products. Are any notably efficient (fast)? Are any notably inefficient? I assume that a Graphics Accelerator makes them significantly faster (right now I'm looking at ico running on Xoftware/32 for Windows sitting on the Distinct TCP/IP platform, and it's (not surprisingly) much slower than ico running on the Sparc10's console. What are the key ways of improving performance for PC (presumably Windows) clients? Also, what about async solutions? (Yes, I appreciate that it will be *much* slower even with V.42bis.) I'm in the process of installing PPP (with header compression). How does that compare to cslip? I've seen a product called XRemote by NCD that promises to be pretty efficient, but are there comparable products out there? If we're looking for efficiency for async, PC clients, what should we be looking at in addition to standard PPP w/ compression and XRemote? Any information would be greatly appreciated. I'm still taking in all the information in the faq, but any tips about the relative efficiency of various product offerings would be great. (I get the impression that discussions about speed are largely application specific, but that not withstanding, any comments would be appreciated.) Thanks. -- Rob",comp.windows.x 759," Jung may have said that, but he was in no way speaking for the Catholic Church. The dogma of the Assumption in no way means Mary is considered to be God or part of ""the Godhead."" Therefore it implies no such thing about the feminine in general. Also Jung's statement makes it sound as though the dogma was announced ""out of the blue."" This also is incorrect, as dogma is only the formulation of what has always been part of Tradition. This dogma has always been believed, but was not formally defined until the Assumption was declared as an _ex cathedra_ statement.",soc.religion.christian 760," I got several answers, the most complete was from Errol Crary (errolc@tv.tv.Tek.com): Thanks for your help Karsten -- ",None 761,"I believe the interstates were origionally funded as part of a national defense plan etc. The requirements were to move heavy army trucks at 70mph. Still its amazing in Germany you can have cars traveling 155 mph and 65 mph on the same 3 to 4 lane road. Around Washington DC they can't keep traffic flowing at 55.",rec.autos 762," Primarily milage. Gas is much more expensive, so people are very concerned about it taking a few more liters per kilometer. This, along with narrow old cities, also results in smaller cars with smaller engines. These engines usually don't have the torque to mesh well with an automatic. So, having engines that don't work well with autos, and a great concern for milage, the usual Euro-car has a manual. (Note that not many big Benzes come with manuals. If you've got the money for the car, you've got the money for the gas, and the engine to drive through the slushbox.) As automatics become more efficient, the ""bigotry"" is probably reduced. Still, everyone knows how to drive a manual, and cars are cheaper with one, and it saves a little expensive fuel. So there aren't compelling reasons to go automatic. -dB ",rec.autos 763," There are various contradictory views on the origin of the Armenians. The name is to be found in the Darian inscriptions in the form 'Armina' or 'Aramaniya' is to be found in the inscription on the Bistun monument. The following references to the Armenians are to be found in the Bistun cuneiform inscription of Dara Vishdasb (510 B.C.). 6. On reaching Arminam 'Armeniya'. 7. To the country town of Zozo, to Armaniya 'Armeniya'. According to Karakashian: As for 'Armenia', the equivalent of the 'Armin' or 'Arminik' of the Persians, this is more recent than the word 'Ararat', and is to be found used in the Dara inscriptions for 'Haiastan'. Saint Martin: The name 'Armenie' has been given since very early times by almost all the various eastern peoples to the territory referred to by the Armenians as 'Haiastan'. It was known to the Syrians as Armenia and to the Arabs as Ermeniyye. Others believe that Urartu was known in the time of the Medes as 'Harminap' which was later modified by the Persians to 'Arminia'. 'Ar' refers to a place, as in Ararat, Archish, Aruyr, Archar, Arshav, Arazen and Aror, while 'men' is used to refer to spirit, thought or human being, and therefore 'Armen' would appear to signify 'the people of that place'. G. Alishan believes that 'according to our national vocabulary ""Haik"" is the diminutive form of ""Hai"", and that ""Hai"" is the name of our nation. Our nation is in no way connected with the word ""Armen"" that foreigners apply to our people.' It would thus appear that 'Armenia' is a place-name, that 'Armen' is the name of the people who lived there, and that these are in no way connected with the word 'Hai'. Haik and Haiastan: Armenian historians believe Haik to have been a great hero from whom the Armenian people took the name 'Hai'. But the mere resemblance between the words 'Haik' and 'Hai' constitutes no real proof, and, in any case, no such theory appears before the time of Moses of Khoren. Haiasa: The following studies show quite clearly that 'Hai' and 'Haiasa' were no more than general names used by the Hittites to refer to the region known as Armenia. Professor Hachadurian: 'Haiasa was the general name used in Hittite inscriptions for Upper Armenia.' Yensen, in his 'Hittites and Armenians' tries to prove that 'Hai' is identical with the Hittite 'Hatio', in other words that 'Hai' is a Hittite word. Research, however, has proved this erroneous, and shown that 'Hai' was derived from 'Hatio'. Mortman's attempt to read the Urartu inscriptions as Armenian met with no success. As for Greek, there is no point in even mentioning it. The resemblance between the words 'Haiasa' and 'Haiastan' is so obvious that we may well accept 'Haiasa' as the oldest form of 'Haiastan'. Let us now cast a brief glance on how the words 'Hai', 'Haikazan' and 'Haiastan' entered our older works. According to Karakashian: 'The word ""Haik"" is never to be found employed with reference to a leader of the Armenian people prior to Moses of Khoren, nor is it ever found employed in the forms ""Haika"" or ""Haykazn"". Agahangelos and Puzant use the word as a title or a place-name (he improved and developed Haiastan, etc.). If the word had referred to a nation and had been derived from ""Hai"" or ""Haik"" they could also have used the words ""Haikak"" and ""Haykazn"" in a number of places.' According to Professor Sayce, who deciphered a number of Hittite inscriptions: 'In the Hittite language the suffix -ha is used to specify quality or species. The words ""Haddanas"", ""Haddina"" were used by the Assyrians to refer to the Hittites. With the transformation of the ""d"" between the two ""a"" letters to ""y"" ""Hadinasdani"" was in this way transformed to ""Haiastan""'. Professor Grechmer fully agrees with this point of view, but regards the significance and explanation so far accorded to the terms 'Hai' and 'Haistan' as quite unsatisfactory. He finds, however, that a solution to this problem is brought nearer by the name 'Haiasa' which is so frequently found in Bogazkoy from 1400 B.C. onwards. Forrer takes 'Haiasa' as referring to Upper Armenia. In that case it seems likely that 'Haiasa' was actually a part of Armenia. The suffix -dan is of Anatolian origin. The real root is 'Hayasa', which refers to the country of the 'Hayasas'. E. Chantre writes as follows on the subject of the ethnological and Anthropological characteristics of the Armenian people. The Armenians in Russia may be characterized as follows: Almost all of them are brachycephalic or leptocephalic, very dark, above average height, an Aissores Asian group with close ties with certain Kurdish tribes and Azerbaijan peoples. According to J. Deniker: From the philological point of view, the Armenian and Kurds may be regarded as belonging to the Iranian group...The Armenians are descended from various elements and from a very mixed race. Their average height varies between 1.63 and 1.69 according to the region. They are almost always short-headed, with skull measurements of 85-87. As a race they belong to the Indo-Afghan-Assyrian-Turkic family. Professor Rene Vernont writes as follows: The Armenians are a mixture of Semites, Turk, Kurds and Mongols, but some of them display Armenian features, e.g., height a little above average, fair complexion, dark hair, dark eyes, very often a hooked nose and a rather wide mouth. Investigations carried out by N. Kossovitch on the links between Armenian blood groups and their anthropological characteristics led him to the conclusion that the Armenians did not form a distinct race. Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 764,"< <>OW 3.0 is the same. But, the definition of broken is relative. Pageview <>requires DSC compliant PostScript files, in order to stop at page breaks. <>I don't consider that broken. I say that any program that puts out a <>PostScript file that isn't DSC compliant is broken. < *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v Joy is a Jaguar XJ6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet winters morning.",rec.autos 775," Actually Judea and Samaria are proper geographical names, just like Asia Minor or Lake Michigan. Judea and Samaria are even used in an atlas published in (what used to be) USSR circa 1970 that I have at home. The government of the USSR was of course quite hostile towards Israel and would hardly engage in a pro-Israel propaganda. I would be willing to mail a photocopy of the relevant page to Mr. Schmidling with relevant words underlined to simplify his search, if he promises to report to the net afterwards. Mr. Schmidling is to be congtatualted for being living exception to this general rule. For although he is almost without peer in both the number of lies posted and in the number of times he repeats them --- he hasn't found many people who believe his lies (yet ?). ",talk.politics.mideast 776,"Astronomy & Space magazine's UK telephone newsline carries the times to see the Russian Space Station Mir which will be visible every EVENING (some time between 9 o'clock and midnight) from April 27 to May 7. It's about as bright as Jupiter at its best. There are two cosmonuats on board. For the time to watch, tel. 0891-88-19-50 (48p/min peak 36p/min all other times, but prediction is at start of the weekly message so it only costs a few pence). E-mail reports of sightings would be appreciated: give lat/long and UT (a few seconds accuracy if possible) when it passes ABOVE or BELOW any bright star (say brighter than mag. 3), planet or Moon. With Moon in evening sky also, note that from somewhere in U.K. Mir will pass in front of the Moon each night! Please alert local clubs to the telephone newsline, and general public as Mir can cause quite a stir! -Tony Ryan, ""Astronomy & Space"", new International magazine, available from: Astronomy Ireland, P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland. 6 issues (one year sub.): UK 10.00 pounds, US$20 surface (add US$8 airmail). ACCESS/VISA/MASTERCARD accepted (give number, expiration date, name&address).",sci.space 777,": THe limit on space-walking is a function of suit supplies (MASS) : and Orbiter Duration. : In order to perform the re-boost of the HST, the OMS engines : will be fired for a long period. Now the shuttle is a heavy : thing. THe HST isn't light either. THe amount of OMS fuel : needed to fly both up is substantial. a small booster : carried up and used to boost HST on it's own will weigh significantly : less then the OMS fuel required to Boost both HST and SHUttle, : for a given orbital change. : From what i understand, the mass margins on the HST missions are : tight enough they can't even carry extra Suits or MMU's. : pat I haven't seen any specifics on the HST repair mission, but I can't see why the mass margins are tight. What are they carrying up? Replacement components (WFPC II, COSTAR, gyros, solar panels, and probably a few others), all sorts of tools, EVA equipment, and as much OMS fuel and consumables as they can. This should be lighter than the original HST deployment mission, which achieved the highest altitude for a shuttle mission to date. And HST is now in a lower orbit. Seems like the limiting factors would be crew fatigue and mission complexity. ",sci.space 778,"The 200CD is one of three oscillators that HP made many years ago. (The others were the Low Frequency Oscillator and the Wide Range Oscillator.) These are the ones with the 7"" diameter chrome dial, a Wein Bridge circuit that used pilot lights as the feedback loop, and firebottles that produced many volts of output. I've just acquired a pair of these venerable old beasts. The non-working one, SN 605, (owned by Crosley Radio at one point!) needs help. I know I can likely buy a microfiche copy of the book from HP, but that costs.... and considering I paid a dollar for the pair in the rain at the Dayton Hamvention;-}",sci.electronics 779," There's nothing wrong with a red neck. Why, some of us hicks even listen to cultured music and such, can you say the same? Aside from that, you shouldn't try to shit on this guy by insulting where YOU think he comes from. Where I'm from, we milk cows, drive trucks, and yes, even like baseball. So screw anyone that doesn't like it. Oh yeah, learn the difference between to and too city-boy! (see below) -thom unnumbered wanna-be member of the Bob Knepper Fan Club (BKFC) ",rec.sport.baseball 780," Bob, sex is already ALL OVER baseball! Do you think those uniforms can get ANY TIGHTER?? Todd Hundley's could be, I suppose; he seems to favor the Carlton Fisk baggy-pants style. Very unfortunate. Todd, word to the wise: if ya got it, flaunt it!",rec.sport.baseball 781," Lets see... what MS products don't have major bugs in them? Oh, but the fifth release the bugs are generally cleared up, even if their customers must buy new ""releases"" from them that are little more than bug fixes. Anyone who buys a $2500 computer system and then runs MS Windows on it is in desperate need of sympathy. Oh wait! MS innovated the plastic housing on the MS mouse---didn't they? ""Logitech Inside"" You can't even really call it secondary creativity when a company gathers together a bunch of knock-off packages and peddles them to neophytes. If MS does anything, it appears someone has to do it first. It appears that MS is finding out that throwing money at technological problems is by no means a guaranteed solution. ---------------------------------------------",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 782,"Let's discuss Reno's taking full responciblity. Is everyone happy with the outcome? Did the FBI pursue the correct course of action? was justice done? If Reno really meant what she said she would resign! She is just grand standing, period. What did those people do wrong in the first place? that is what i can't figure out. sure they were crazy, no dought about it, but what did they do wrong? someone please help me out on this.",talk.politics.guns 783," I don't think the two main free X systems ( XS3 and XFree86 ) are part of the FSF as such. Does anyone know of an e-mail address for Diamond to which Penio could forward his purchase information? Guy",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 784,":When I was a school boy, my biology teacher told us of an incident :in which a couple were very passionate without actually having :sexual intercourse. Somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm :cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation. : :Was my biology teacher misinforming us, or do such incidents actually :occur? Sounds to me like someone was pulling your leg. There is only one way for pregnancy to occur: intercourse. These days however there is also artificial insemination and implantation techniques, but we're speaking of ""natural"" acts here. It is possible for pregnancy to occur if semen is deposited just outside of the vagina (i.e. coitus interruptus), but that's about at far as you can get. Through clothes -- no way. Better go talk to your biology teacher. ",sci.med 785,"For sale: Mac IIfx with the following config --> 20MB's RAM 400MB 3.5"" Hard Drive 2 -1.44MB floppy drives Extended keyboard Mouse Apple 8bit video card $2,500.00 or best offer! All you need is a monitor to complete this system.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 786,"Hi there, I'm looking for tools that can make X programming easy. I would like to have a tool that will enable to create X motif GUI Interactivly. Currently I'm Working on a SGI with forms. A package that enables to create GUI with no coding at all (but the callbacks). Any help will be appreciated.",comp.windows.x 787,"Actually, the Quadra 900 and 950 both have the same SCSI controller, (running at different speed). They are not SCSI 2, but can support certain SCSI commands that take advantage of faster drives. The I/O processors are present on both machines. The Q950 runs its I/O bus at 25MHz, while the 900's I/O bus is 16MHz. The Quadra 950 supports 16bit color on all monitor sizes, as well as 24bit up to 832 x 624 resolution. It also supports 1024 x768 resolution. The 900 supports supports 8bit at 1152 x 870, and does not support 1024 x 768 at all. VRAM on the 950 is 80ns or faster, and 100ns or faster on the 900.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 788," Bzzt. Thank you for playing. You're confusing the puritans/pilgrims with the founding fathers. Difference of ~150 years and a much different culture... ",talk.religion.misc 789,"I have been looking over the postings about the Clipper Chip and noticed an interesting omission from the discussion. You all mention that the algorithm is classified and have expressed concerns and ideas of how to figure out the algorithm using software. The question that I have is why cant someone take one of these chips and reverse engineer it? I mean, take the thing to a chip testing/ analysis facility, one with a decent electron microscope. Just pry off the top of the chip and start scanning it with the electron microcope and figure out the circuitry. I remembered a place that I use to work for had one of these facilities that they used to analyze chips that we accidently blew out while running tests. They could actually find the area that was fried and show us where in the circuit it was. I am sure that many companies and universities must have these facilities and that the potential is there, especially at a university where the security at such a facility is looser, for someone to take a clipper apart and analyze it? What can the government do to prevent this? Start taking away all microchip analysis facilities and electron microscopes??",sci.crypt 790," How wrong you will be. I participated in the last National March on Washington (MOW) for LesGayBi rights (Oct 11, 1987) - with a turnout of about 750,000 people - and we didn't have alot pissing us off at the time. The big issue was the AIDS crisis, but we weren't being slapped around quite as bad as we are now. This time its AIDS, and Equal Rights, and the Military Squabble. And this MOW has been in the planning for YEARS whereas the last one was pulled together in a relatively short time. The last MOW was the largest ever on D.C. and you can bet we are going to exceed that by a long shot. I truly believe we will exceed the 1.0 million goal the MOW committee has always had set for this event.",talk.politics.misc 791," I heard that there is a VESA driver for the XGA-2 card available on compuserve. I just got this card, and I am wondering if this driver is available on a FTP site anywhere. My news service has beeen erratic lately so please E-Mail me at: walsh@stolaf.edu Thanks in advance. ",comp.graphics 792," I have found that you should observe the following with almost all new equipment : Check for warrany tape. If none, carefully open unit. Inspect for loose wires, jumpers, screws, and other trash. Clean up these manufacturing mistakes. *Now* power up the unit and check it out. I can't think of how many things I've bought that weren't okay right out of the box due to sloppy QC. - Jonathan PS : This goes for any manufacturer. I'm not picking on anyone. -- Internet: musjndx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu Fidonet: Jonathan Deitch@1:133/411.7 jdeitch@gisatl.fidonet.org Bellnet: 1 - (404) - 261 - 3665 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta 1996 !! | Play Pinball !! | Don't Panic ! | ""I hate it when I can't --------------------------------------------------| trust my own technology!"" ""Thrills! Chills! Magic! Prizes!"" -- Hurricane | -- Geordi LaForge",comp.sys.mac.hardware 793," Due to a discussion on this group some time ago, the theists would more likely take an Asimov quote out of context and paint him as the biggest Bible thumpin', God fearin', atheist hatin' christian you ever laid eyes on. Right up there with Einstein. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea.",alt.atheism 794,"Does anyone have any information on the Polaroid Palette system. It appears to be a gadget for transfering graphics images to film. Does anyone have any detail about it like the maximum supported resolution or types of video input???? What did Polaroid market them as????? Fletch",comp.graphics 795," Yes, but (a) we were talking about peak level, not career averages and (b) Clemente was the best fielding RF of all time, as far as anyone can tell I did a quick scan last night, looking for players with a peak comparable to or better than Winfield. In my quick-n-dirty subjective judgement, you could make good cases for Ruth, Aaron, Ott, Robinson, Clemente, Kaline, Maris, Klein, Jackson, Waner, and probably a few others. This is not a knock on Winfield, but a comment on his consistency: all of those other players had awesome stretches and very good stretches, while Winfield has been more uniformly excellent. Hall of Fame? Absolutely. Top-10 peak? I'm not so sure. Top 10 total career value? Yes, almost certainly. ",rec.sport.baseball 796,"Alan ""All in all, it's just another"" Sepinwall writes... I agree. However, I have to object. Growing up in the early 1980's and playing 2 years of Mario Mendoza-esque Little League, I was told that since my hitting, well, sucked, I would do best to either ""Walk, or take one in the face for the team"". I did both. And, my Yankee fan father would say, ""Bat like Oscar Gamble"". So I did. And my career OBP was about .550. Not only was Oscar a fun guy to watch, but he had some pretty cool baseball cards and helped me become one of the best little league players in history. ",rec.sport.baseball 797,"What is the real story here? Can I hook up any PC SVGA Montitor to the Centris internal video? Do I need to make my own cable if it doesn't not come with one? Has apple released a Tech note with the pinouts for doing such? The reasoj I ask is that it seems the prices for SVGA are lower than that of their mac counterparts... --mike ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 798,"Has anyone ever heard of the X Professional Organization? Is anyone a member? Is the membership worth the $100 or so that they charge?",comp.windows.x 799,"Not to change the subject, but how was Fr. Gobbi allowed at Notre Dame? Notre Dame is an anti Catholic University. Was this allowed to show that the crackpots at Notre Dame believe in freedom of speech? I am glad that they did allow him to speak.",soc.religion.christian 800," Like non-Sudafed cold medicines? 1/2 :-) ",None 801," ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If JD Power and Associates did the survey, I would like an anonymous ftp site to pick it up at. Only a sucker believes an MS released survey results about an MS product. Ok--assume that the results of the survey, whatever they are, are 100% honest. If the results indicated extreme dissatisfaction with the product, is MS going to tell us to stop buying MS-DOS 6.0 because it sux? :-) Sure.... Well, these ""statistics"" are to shut people up and add some microscopic weight to MS' arguments. As I just said, you have seen what automakers do. Who is going to believe Chrysler if they tell us, ""In a 'random' Chrysler-conducted survey..."" My theory about certain people is that they are convinced that if a point is maintained long enough, it is true. After all, what is the focus of this company? Information. Money and information. Technology is, for some, an expedient toward these ends. Why did Bill Gates drop out of college? Was it because he couldn't afford it at the time? Was it because (as the WSJ says) he couldn't wait to use what he knew to go out and make money? Bill Gate's answer to this question would be highly interesting. I await it. I can't stomach Bill declaring himself a visionary and using every available opportunity to build up the cult around himself and then having MS sell DOS and Windoze as their main stays. ---------------------------------------------",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 802," I'm most of the way through adding a grammar for parsing the #if expressions. I don't know when I'll be able to get back to it; you're welcome to what I have so far. I haven't looked at other versions of makedepend, which may solve the problem more elegantly. ",comp.windows.x 803," check prep.ai.mit.edu. It's called fax-3.2.1.tar.Z or something to that effect and is the software for netfax. Be forewarned that it requires (at the moment) a fairly costly $450 fax modem with certain capabilities to use it. ",comp.windows.x 804,"I am quite near sighted. I've recently received laser treatment for both eyes to seal holes in the retinas to help prevent retinal detachment. In my left eye a small detachment had begun already and apparently the laser was used to ""weld"" this back in place as well. My right eye seems fine. In my left eye I was seeing occasional flashes of bright light prior to the treatment. Since the treatment (two weeks) these flashes are now occuring more often - several each hour. The opthamologist explained the flashes are caused because the vitreous body has attached to the retina and is pulling on it. He says this is not treatable and he hopes it may go away on its own accord - if it tugs enough I may well face retinal detachment. I am seeking (via sci.med) additional info on retinal detachments. The Dr. did not wish to spend much time with me in explanations so I appreciate any further details anyone can provide. Of most interest to me: If my retina does detach what should be my immediate course of action? If conventional surgery is need to repair the detachment what is the procedure like and what kind of vision can I expect afterwards. Do the symptoms (fairly frequent flashes) imply that detachment maybe near at hand or is this not necessarily cause for alarm. Many thanks Bill",sci.med 805," Don't let this confuse anybody. The Winnipeg Jets have never won the Stanley Cup (or even come that close). These Stanley Cup championships go back a LONG way to about the turn of the century. The Winnipeg Victorias won one or more of these Cups- the Jets didn't win any of them. Can you think of anything more irrelevant to argue about a playoff series going on today than who won more Stanley Cups around the turn of the century?? Lets face facts. The Canucks are leading the series 3-1. The Canucks dominated the Jets in their season series. The Canucks did better in the regular season than Winnipeg. Who is the better team? I think that the facts show that Vancouver is better than Winnipeg.",rec.sport.hockey 806," Dorothy Denning, _Cryptography and Data Security_, 1982, Addison Wesley. Page 8, under the heading ""Cryptosystems must satisfy three general requirements. The other two are efficiency and ease of use.",sci.crypt 807," Armenians have been doing just that for a long, long time. Source: ""Hagop Hagopian said to have been part of 1972 Terror Attack at Munich Olympic Games,"" The Armenian Reporter, February 7, 1985, p. 1. ""Le Matin, the influential Paris daily, based on unidentified sources, claimed last week that Hagop Hagopian, the founder and leader of one faction of the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA), was among the Arab terrorists who staged an attack on the living quarters of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympic Games... Le Matin added that up to 1982, Hagopian operated out of Beirut, Lebanon, but escaped from the country when Israeli forces entered the city. It was about this time that a statement issued by ASALA claimed that Mr. Hagopian was dead of wounds suffered during a bombing by the Israeli Air Force, although it is generally believed that the mysterious leader is alive and well and presently is residing alternately in Damascus, Syria, and Athens, Greece. The paper also noted that the socialist government of Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou and his P.A.S.O.K. party accepted the Armenian underground leader with ""open arms"" and still providing him with assistance simply because of Greece's traditional enmity with Turkey. Le Matin further adds that ASALA derives only a small portion of its expenditures from wealthy Armenians who support the cause, with the rest coming either from other sources or from proceeds of an involvement in drug trafficking."" Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 808," Yes the govt handled it in the Rambo Hollywood type style with extreeme Machismo. Perhaps thats not the way to handle it. It is a completely different thing to start asserting as many have done that the government is primarily to blame. The comparisons with the NAZIs in particular are purely gratuitous. Since you have provided a constructive opinion on the issue your post desreves to be taken seriously. Peter Nelson also made some very good points about how a low key approach might have been more effective. The point is though that you learn through mistakes. The govt played the wrong card and lost. Thats not a big deal. They had had four guys murdered at the begining and maybee they just were not prepared for wuite this situation. Who could be? If the same thing were to happen all over again we might perhaps be able to castigate the Govt if they used the same tactics and failed in the same way. As it is I can't say that I would not have made the same mistake. Maybee I wouldn't because I don't as a rule go in for a confrontational situation if I can avoid it. Maybee I would because with all those press about its very difficult not to try the macho stuff. The FBI had information from within the compound we had no access to. They may have calculated that the B-D followers resolve was cracking based on their listening devices within the compound. They knew that Koresh had chickened out of one suicide attempt. This may have been the reason why they considered that fear might have been a weapon for breaking his resolve. Again in Panama they had used the heavy rock music to great effect during Bush's invasion. Funny that few of the Koresh supporters and appologists complain much about the death of several thousand Pananmanian civilians while the US govt attempted to arrest their former ally. Koresh negated his civil rights the minute his followers fired on the police helicopter. No matter whether the warrant was or was not technically valid the guys who were carrying it out thought that it was. Thus the assault on them was completely inexcusable no matter what rationalisation people might wish to employ. Of course we have to consider the guns issue. That is the whole core of the question. Everything else is a diversion. ",talk.politics.misc 809," Lots of house fires give off black sooty smoke. And as far as the speed of the fire the winds were gusting to 30mph at least that day. I guess you're forgetting the way Oakland and Berkeley looked back in 91. Did those folks use accelerants? smg ",talk.politics.guns 810," ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I am sure your numbers are far better then mine. As i said above, i don't have exact numbers. How different would the contamination threat of a small manuevering tug be from that of the Shuttle and it's OMS engines?????? I know that no small manuevering tug exists, but maybe one could soup up a Bus 1. Does anyone out there have the de-clasified specs on hte BUS 1? would it be able to provide enough control force to balance the HST, and still have the rocket thrust to hurl her into a decent high orbit? Sorry, that should be intrument pointing. Plus, if the second box gets fritzy, you could be in shitter ville real fast. The problem is no-one seems to have the exact numbers. When the mission was planned originally at 3 spacewalks, and 3 astronauts, there was enormous concern over the mass margins for the flight. THey have now planned for 5 EVA's, an 11 day mission and have 2 reserve EVA's and an emergency EVA. Obviously that is coming from somewhere. My guess is the OMS burn fuel, or re-boost margin. I just figured, if GOldin wants to really, prove out faster, cheaper better, have some of the whiz kids slap together an expendable space manuevering tug out of a BUs1, and use that for the re-boost. it has to be better then using the Discovery as a tow truck.",sci.space 811," I seem to recall graphic news file of buddhist monks setting themselves on fire in the streets of Saigon. Yes, its a horrible way to go, but apparently not so horrible that someone with enough religious conviction might not be able to carry it through. And, since they've discovered bullet wounds in a couple of the bodies from the compound, there is the possiblity that those with the will power to self immolate also had the will power to take out the ones who had less constitutional fortitude. Then again, maybe the FBI ran in while the fire was raging, executed those two, and ran out again.",talk.politics.guns 812," I don't know the specifics of the compression algorithm, but I've used the shareware program, PaintShop, to convert between the two. You can download it from ftp.cica.indiana.edu, but I don't know what the file is called or what directory it is in (you can start by looking in pub/pc/win3 or try scanning the index files). To convert a .BMP file to a .RLE file, you just load the .BMP file and do a ""Save as..."" Select ""Windows bitmap"" and ""Compressed"" (or is it ""RLE""?) Whatever it is, it's fairly intuitive... Sorry I don't have all the details, but I'm currently on an IBM3151 dumb terminal and can't do much researching...Good luck! ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 813," Does anyone know how to access and/or display multiple pages in mode 13h while still maintaining the 1 byte per pixel memory organization? Examples in C or Assembly would be appreciated... Thanks Scott ",comp.graphics 814,"i need to get some info a.s.a.p. about the cellular antenna market out there right now: who are the main companies making them, how much do they cost, what are the specs (such as gain , directivity, etc.), and who is the contact person because a group of us here are at the Univ.of IL are researching into this technology I will personally mail you a copy of our entire busineess plan and paper if you can be of any help..",sci.electronics 815,"/>/:/g j:Maybe they WANTED it to look like murder. He had 50+ days. I think this was :>coming the whole time. He didn't even put the children in the buried bus or :>the underground bunker during the CS seige. He put them up into the tower :>to die. : : Is CS gas lighter or heavier than air? Do you know? If the CS is heavier than air... most chemical weapons are... ",talk.politics.guns 816,"I am pleased to announce that a *revised version* of _The Easy-to-Read Book of Mormon_ (former title: _Mormon's Book_) by Lynn Matthews Anderson is now available through anonymous ftp (see information below). In addition to the change in title, the revised ETR BOM has been shortened by several pages (eliminating many extraneous ""that's"" and ""of's""), and many (minor) errors have been corrected. This release includes a simplified Joseph Smith Story, testimonies of the three and eight witnesses, and a ""Words-to-Know"" glossary. As with the previous announcement, readers are reminded that this is a not-for-profit endeavor. This is a copyrighted work, but people are welcome to make *verbatim* copies for personal use. People can recuperate the actual costs of printing (paper, copy center charges), but may not charge anything for their time in making copies, or in any way realize a profit from the use of this book. See the permissions notice in the book itself for the precise terms. Negotiations are currently underway with a Mormon publisher vis-a-vis the printing and distribution of bound books. (Sorry, I'm out of the wire-bound ""first editions."") I will make another announcement about the availability of printed copies once everything has been worked out. FTP information: connect via anonymous ftp to carnot.itc.cmu.edu, then ""cd pub"" (you won't see anything at all until you do). ""The Easy-to-Read Book of Mormon"" is currently available in postscript and RTF (rich text format). (ASCII, LaTeX, and other versions can be made available; contact dba@andrew.cmu.edu for details.) You should be able to print the postscript file on any postscript printer (such as an Apple Laserwriter); let dba know if you have any difficulties. (The postscript in the last release had problems on some printers; this time it should work better.) RTF is a standard document interchange format that can be read in by a number of word processors, including Microsoft Word for both the Macintosh and Windows. If you don't have a postscript printer, you may be able to use the RTF file to print out a copy of the book. -r--r--r-- 1 dba 1984742 Apr 27 13:12 etrbom.ps -r--r--r-- 1 dba 1209071 Apr 27 13:13 etrbom.rtf For more information about how this project came about, please refer to my article in the current issue of _Sunstone_, entitled ""Delighting in Plainness: Issues Surrounding a Simple Modern English Book of Mormon."" Send all inquiries and comments to: Lynn Matthews Anderson 5806 Hampton Street Pittsburgh, PA 15206",talk.religion.misc 817,"Here's the situation: At home, I have MS Word for windows but no printer. At work, I have windows + a postscript printer, but not MS Word. So, I configure my machine at home to use a postscript printer, and use the print to file option, which produces a nice postscript file, which I then bring to work. My question: how do I print this postscript file through the print manager at work? If, for example, I select print from the file manager, it treats the postscript as a text file, and gives me several pages of postscript gibberish. I know that I can open a DOS window and do: copy file.ps com1: which does work, but seems not to multitask very well -- other applications run rather slowly and often pause for 10's of seconds. There ought to be a way of passing the postscript file to the Print Manager, but if there is, I can't find any mention of it in the documentation. Anyone know how to do this? ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 818,"I'm looking for a circuit that will flash an led on in response to the output from a walkman cassette player. How could I do this? I don't want it just to turn on, I want it to 'strobe' once so to speak, per every beep I put on a cassette tape. Would it be better to use a circuit based on the volume of the beeps on the cassette, or better for the leds to respond to a tone of a certain frequency? Is there any easy way to do either of these? I'm looking for the simplest circuit possible. I guess what I'm asking for is some sort of color organ, but not quite. Let me trt to explain again... I'm going to have a pattern of beats (or beeps) on a cassette tape. So on the tape you'd hear: beep! (pause) beep! (pause) beep! (pause)..etc. , with speed increasing as time goes on. I want to synchronize an LED ( probably two of them) with the beeps on the cassette tape. So the LED, with each beep, would go on and off real quick, generating a strobe light sort of effect. The rapidity of the beeps on the tape would in turn effect the rapidity of the blinking of the LEDS. And if there was no sound on the tape (except for background his), the LEDs would remain off. Please help! Thanks,",sci.electronics 819," : Size is another factor. The BJ-200 is much smaller, but the HP is built : like a tank. I bet the BJ-200 would get damaged first. You bet your bippy it's built like a tank.. and not just mechanically either! This past weekend we had a nasty thunderstorm and the impossible (*&^%) happened - I got a direct lightning strike on my house - and to the second floor outlet box into which my faithful DeskJet 500C was connected. There was a .303-bullet-sized hole in the aluminum siding with some solidified aluminum slag dripping from it. You could actually see the electrical box through the hole! The outlet itself was fried and I'm still amazed the whole damn house didn't burn down. I lost 2 electric garage door openers, 2 vcr's, 2 telephones (all of which were on the opposite side of the house), a ZyXEL U-1496E high speed modem, a VGA monitor, a 1024x768 color monitor, the RS232 and parallel ports on my X terminal and a WD LAN card in my PC. Not a good night! But, the DeskJet ran as soon as I found a functioning serial and parallel port to connect to it.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 820,"I remember as a kid visiting my relatives on Kauai, and one of the things that really frightened me was centipedes. I'd been told they were poisonous and infrequently one would pop up and scare the heck out of me. Once one came out of the vacuum cleaner and it seemed like it was at least a foot long and moving at 35 miles an hour! ",sci.med 821,,None 822," That is the result of living in an alternate universe with 'Arromdians' of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle. Are you '*ians' for real? A Final Goodbye in Azerbaijan: [Photo by Associated Press]: ""At a cemetery in Agdam, Azerbaijan, family members and friends grieved during the burial of victims killed in the fighting in Nagorno-Karabagh. Chingiz Iskandarov, right, hugged the coffin containing the remains of his brother, one of the victims. A copy of Koran lay atop the coffin."" The New York Times, 3/6/92 Final Embrace : [Photo by Associated Press]: ""Chingiz Iskenderov, right, weeps over coffin holding the remains of his brother as other relatives grieve at an Azarbaijani cemetery yesterday amid burial of victims killed in fighting in Nagorno-Karabagh."" The Washington Post, 3/6/92 Nagorno-Karabagh Victims Buried in Azerbaijani Town : ""Refugees Claim Hundreds died in Armenian Attack...Of seven bodies seen here today, two were children and three were women, one shot through the chest at what appeared to be close range. Another 120 refugees being treated at Agdam's hospital include many with multiple stab wounds."" Thomas Goltz The Washington Post, 2/28/92 Armenians Burn Azeri Village in New Unrest: ""Armenian guerillas attacked a strategic Azeri village...in Nagorno-Karabagh and burned it to the ground on Tuesday, Commonwealth television reported. Channel one television said the village of Malybeili, in the Khodzhalin district, was now cut off and a large number of wounded were left stranded. Itar-Tass news agency said several people were killed and 20 wounded in the attack on the village... Tass also said shells fired from Armenian villages into the Azeri populated town of Susha, just 6 miles south of Stepenakert, demolished two houses and damaged five others...Fierce fighting flared two weeks ago following the crash of an Azeri helicopter in Karabagh in which 40 people died."" (Reuters) Turkish Daily News, 2/12/92 CIS Commander Pulls Troops Out of Karabagh : ""Elif Kaban, a Reuter correspondent in Agdam, reported that after a battle on Wednesday, Azeris were burying scores of people who died when Armenians overran the town of Khojaly, the second-biggest Azeri settlement in the area. 'The world is turning its back on what's happening here. We are dying and you are just watching,' one mourner shouted at a group of journalists."" Helen Womack The Independent, 2/29/92 Armenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families: ""The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending the women and children. They then turned their guns on the terrified refugees. The few survivors later described what happened: 'That's when the real slaughter began,' said Azer Hajiev, one of the three soldiers to survive. 'The Armenians just shot and shot. And they came in and started carving up people with their bayonets and knives.' A 45-year-old man who had been up on us and people were falling all around. My wife fell, then my child."" Thomas Goltz Sunday Times, 3/1/92 Armenian Raid Leaves Azeris Dead or Fleeing: ""...about 1,000 of Khojaly's 10,000 people were killed in Tuesdays attack. Azerbaijani television showed truckloads of corpses being evacuated from the Khocaly area."" Brian Killen (Reuters) The Washington Times, 3/2/92 Atrocity Reports Horrify Azerbaijan : ""Azeri officials who returned from the seen to this town about nine miles away brought back three dead children, the backs of their heads blown off... 'Women and children had been scalped,' said Assad Faradzev, an aide to Karabagh's Azeri governor. Azeri television showed pictures of one truckload of bodies brought to the Azeri town of Agdam, some with their faces apparently scratched with knives or their eyes gouged out."" Brian Killen (Reuters) The Washington Times, 3/3/92 Massacre By Armenians Being Reported: ""The Republic of Armenia reiterated denials that its militants had killed 1,000 [Azeris]... But dozens of bodies scattered over the area lent credence to Azerbaijani reports of a massacre."" (Reuters) The New York Times, 3/3/92 Killings Rife in Nagorno-Karabagh, Moldova: ""Journalists in the area reported seeing dozens of corpses, including some of the civilians, and Azerbaijani officials said Armenians began shooting at them when they sought to recover the bodies."" Fred Hiatt The Washington Post, 3/3/92 Bodies Mark Site of Karabagh Massacre: ""A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijanis to collect their dead and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest. All are the bodies of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clorhing of workers. Of the 31 we saw only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing uniform. All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small children. Two groups, apparently families, had fallen together, the children cradled in the women's arms. Several of them, including one small girl, had terrible head injuries: only her face was left. Survivors have told how they saw Armenians shooting them point blank as they lay on the ground."" Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/3/92 Karabagh Survivors Flee to Mountains: ""Geyush Gassanov, the deputy mayor of Khocaly, said that Armenian troops surrounded the town after 7 pm on Tuesday. They were accompanied by six or seven light tanks and armoured carriers. 'We thought they would just bombard the village, as they had in the past, and then retreat. But they attacked, and our defence force couldn't do anything against their tanks.' Other survivors described how they had been fired on repeatedly on their way through the mountains to safety. 'For two days we crawled most of the way to avoid gunfire,' Sukru Aslanov said. His daughter was killed in the battle for Khodjaly, and his brother and son died on the road."" Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/3/92 Corpses Litter Hills in Karabagh: ""As we swooped low over the snow covered hills of Nagorno-Karabagh we saw the scattered corpses. Apparently, the refugees had been shot down as they ran...Suddenly there was a thump...[our Azerbaijani helicopter] had been fired on from an Armenian anti-aircraft post..."" Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/4/92 ""Police in western Azerbaijan said they had recovered the bodies of 120 Azerbaijanis killed as they fled an Armenian assault in the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabagh and said they were blocked from recovering more bodies."" The Wall Street Journal, 3/4/92 Exiting Troops Attacked in Nagorno-Karabagh: ""Withdrawal halted; Armenians Blamed... More video footage and reports from Khocaly paint a grim picture of widespread civilian deaths and mutilation... One woman's feet appeared to have been bound..."" Paul Quinn-Judge The Boston Globe, 3/4/92 (to be continued...) Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 823,"I have two brand new Dayna Etherprint Adapters (10baset) for sale. They convert ethertalk to localtalk. This is useful when wanting to hook up a localtalk network printer to a ethertalk(10baset) network. They sell for $350 each in Mac Warehouse. Will take $100 each. Guaranteed. email response to atg@virginia.edu",misc.forsale 824," searching out our deceased ancestors so that we can perform the ordinances -- such as baptism, confirmation, and marriage for time and eternity -- that are required for a person to obtain salvation through Christ and to live with Him through the eternities. These are people who may have not had the opportunity to know Christ in their lifetime, so we are making it possible for Christ's saving grace (I know there are thousands of interpretations of that phrase) to become fully effective for them if they allow it to do so on the other side. This paragraph brought to mind a question. How do you (Mormons) reconcile the idea of eternal marriage with Christ's statement that in the ressurection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage (Luke, chapt. 20)? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Hammerslag (dhammers@urbana.mcd.mot.com) ""...there ain't nobody so bad that the Lord can't save 'em ain't nobody so good they don't need God's love..."" -- Mullins ",soc.religion.christian 825," Only guessing, but from his address I'd say that Jerry, like me, lives in Canada. Unlike me, he thinks that our friends in the US enjoy the same freedom that we do, and he has not seen the slow but steady erosion to the south of us. We have the benefit of relatively slow politicians and ineffective law enforcement. Our rednecks tend to be the objects of derision rather than elected officials. It's everything LE can do to keep up with the real criminals. Any time they actually go after somebody just because they don't like his or her attitude, it's national news (It also often blows up in their faces: eg. the well-intentioned but flawed Zundel case, which resulted in a scolding from the Supreme Court, not only to LE for prosecuting the case but to Parliament for passing the law it was prosecuted under). Our friends south of the border don't have as easy a time of it. Among other things they have as many LE agencies as we have agencies, and some of them have teeth. They also have the War on Drugs which gives law-enforcement agencies exceptional powers to ignore individuals' rights (the DEA has more arbitrary power than that given to Canadian agencies under the War Measures Act). We have the RCMP and CSIS who can't stop fighting each other long enough to do any really effective suppression of private citizens' rights. Not only that, our Police Commissions have teeth, as I learned when I had to fend off a bent cop. It may be ironic that the nation founded on Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is getting government-imposed order, while the nation founded on Peace, Order and Good Government is getting in-your-face liberty. That's not to say our time won't come. It looks like Chretien is going to run on a law-and-order platform. Be afraid. Cheers, Marc --- Marc Thibault | marc@tanda.isis.org Automation Architect | CIS:71441,2226 R.R.1, Oxford Mills, Ontario, Canada | NC FreeNet: aa185",sci.crypt 826,"I want to add link encryption to a module that multiplexes upper level routines into a single data link. The upper levels won't know about this, and thus key exchange shall only need to occur once (at the initial link establishment). I figure that I can do this with DES and a Diffie-Hellman key exchange. Is using a Diffie-Hellman exchange to establish a 64 bit DES key acceptable, in other words, what are the pro's and con's of such a setup? Are there any important issues to watch out for (aside from filtering out unacceptable keys)? And in order to achieve this, I guess I will need to use 64bit math routines (for probable prime number calculation, exponentiation etc), so could someone point me towards a good package (this is strictly non-commercial). Matthew.",sci.crypt 827," And the best evidence you can find is second hand hearsay from an unnamed source? You may indeed be confusing *some* Muslims with Nazi Armenians. Altogether 30,000 Nazi Armenians served in various units in the German Wehrmacht, according to Ara J. Berkian. 14,000 in predominantly Armenian army units, 6,000 in German army units, 8,000 in various working units and 2,000 in the Waffen-SS.[1] A number of these Nazi Armenians were volunteers from France, Greece, Rumania and Bulgaria who had chosen to commit themselves to the German war effort. Derounian says that ""Dashnag Armenians from France bore the mark 'Legion Armenienne.'""[2] That Nazi Armenians like Dro 'the Butcher' and Nezhdeh sided with the Germans probably had an impact on the decision of Armenians who overwhelmingly opted for armed service. [1] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900 Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 118/119. [2] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), in 'The Armenian Displaced Persons,' ibid., p. 19. In fall 1942, the Armenian infantry battalions 808 and 809 were formed, to be followed by battalions 810, 812 and 813 in spring 1943. In the second half of 1943 infantry battalions 814, 815 and 816 were created. These battalions together with other indigenous Caucasian units were attached to the infantry division 162. Also attached to ID 162 were the field battalions II/9, I/125 and I/198 which were formed between May 1942 and May 1943. Altogether twelve Armenian battalions served the Nazi army, if battalion II/73, which was not employed at any time, is to be included.[1] Most battalions were commanded by Nazi Armenian officers. Armenians wore German uniforms with an armband in the Dashnag colours red-blue-orange and the inscription 'Armenien.' [1] Joachim Hoffmann, 'Dies Ostlegionen 1941-1943, Turkotataren, Kaukasier und Wolgafinned im deutschen Heer,' (Verlag Rombach Freiburg 1976), p. 172. While having collaborated with the Nazis against Stalin during the Second World War, Nazi Armenians changed their policy after Hitler's defeat. They now backed Stalin's claims on Eastern Turkish provinces, hoping that these would be annexed to Soviet Armenia and their Muslim population would be exterminated. Stalin played on Armenian national sentiments to enlist the support of Armenians in the USSR and America for his imperial ambitions.[1] Stalin's ultimatum to the Turkish government led Truman to formulate his famous Doctrine. [1] Walter Kolarz, 'Religion in the Soviet Union,' (London, Macmillan & Co Ltd; New York, St Martin's Press 1961), pp. 160-164. Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 828,"Why is it going to take a year for V.fast to become a standard? Are there technical problems to work out, or is it just bureaucratic slowdown? THANKS! ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 829,"In <1r1d2r$baf@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> dlc@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (David ",None 830," OK here are some usefull applications and locations and other: On Cica or mirrors in the /desktop directory WRKSFT16 ZIP 39798 920915 WokShift Graphical Virtual Desktop (ver 1.6) (email author about version 2.0) DESK240 ZIP 164690 921103 Desktop Tools For Windows 3.x (BackMenu 2.4 & BigDesk #### Later version than BackDesk) TOPDESK ZIP 51051 920723 Virtual Windows for Windows ???? FINDER ZIP ??????? 930329 A Mac Finder clone for Windows (Works well with BackMenu) ************ Also look out for SuperBar 2.0. Due out soon. It allows button bars to be added to almost any application.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 831," As a matter of fact, I know it. There were several shootings recently in which the guns had been purchased at the Baltimore Gunsmith, on Broadway - a favorite place to get cheap ""popular"" pieces. By ""popular"" I am referring to the kinds of guns our local youth gangs like: pistol grip shotguns, cheap magnums, and Tec-9s. I hate to poke a hole in your bubble, but I was referring to a specific gunstore, and specific incidents. Any other questions?",talk.politics.guns 832,". It should be remembered that all of the first reports came from the FBI, and that independent observers, i.e. the press, were not allowed to get close and see things for themselves. Official communiques tend to be self-serving for the agencies that issue them. People in general tend to believe first reports, as these get the most and the biggest headlines. Corrections are often overlooked. An example is the FBI report that several of the bodies found in the rubble had bullet wounds. The local coroner, who is independent of the FBI, has so far found no bullet wounds! ",talk.religion.misc 833," Not necessarily. As Shai points out, political appointments are based on power. They are also based on favors owed, coalition building, and deal making. While this may have a racist element to it, I think that its much more fair to attribute it to the ""old boy"" nature of politics. Now, I'll freely admit that the old boy system has racist and sexist effects, but I don't think that those are its purpose, whether in the US, Israel, or elsewhere. Here again, you miss out on the old boy nature of politics, and the existance of back-room deals. As individuals, these arabs may not be as well connected as the Jew who gets the job. I don't like this aspect of politics, but I understand it exists. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu",talk.politics.mideast 834,"==================================================== H H A RRRRR RRRRR IIIII SSSS H H A A R R R R I S HHHHHH AAAAA RRRRR RRRRR I SSSS H H A A R R R R I S H H A A R R R R IIIII SSSS ==================================================== Harris Semiconductor now has AnswerFAX. AnswerFAX is on-line 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, so you can instantly receive datasheets and application notes by using your touch-tone telephone and FAX machine. The number to call is (407) 724-3937. (It is not set up to do international calls at this time.) The general decision tree for the AnswerFAX is as follows, the numbers are the available selections: Welcome to Harris Semiconductors AnswerFAX | ---------------------------------------- | | 1 2 | | Select 1 if you Select 2 for an are familiar with explanation of AnswerFAX. AnswerFAX | | |--------------------------------------| | | | -------------------------------- | | 1 2 | | Select 1 to order Select 2 for a a document (the list of catalogs: document list is 1 New Products in the catalogs, 2 Linear Products get them first) 3 Data Acquisition Products | 4 Digital Signal Processing Products | 5 Discrete Power and Intelligent | Power Products | 9 Application Notes | | | | Select appropriate document Select Appropriate Catalog | | | | Do you want to order Do you want to order anything else? If yes, anything else? If yes, you will be taken back you will be taken back to the selection decision. to the selection decision. | | | | -------------------------------- | | | What is phone number for your FAX? | | What is your name? (request the instructions) | | END Bill Werner ",sci.electronics 835,"Actually, I was angry when they went away from the Pens game. Being a Pens fan in central Virginia is kinda tough. I only get to see them on ESPN, and when they play the Caps, cause we're close enough to DC to get all the Caps games, so when ESPN switched to the Caps, . . . AAAGGGHHH!",rec.sport.hockey 836,"The first problem was the sound. I tried the M0, but then even the logon was muted. I don't want that. Any other suggestions for that hissing? The second is really strange. First, I kept mentioning that FC slowed down all the time and took too long. Well I just logged on with extensions off and I didn't have any slowdown. Also, last time I was online I quit (which usually disconnects and quits). It disconnected but it wouldn't quit. I had to force quit, and then when I launched FC again it said the modem port was in use. This is really strange. I thought it might have to do with fax software. Or the restart could have reset the modem port (a more likely explanation). So, any suggestions? -David",comp.sys.mac.hardware 837," ... So how about this? Give the winning group (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year moratorium on taxes. You are talking about the bozos who can't even manage in November to keep promises about taxes made in October, and you expect them to make (and keep!) a 50-year promise like that? Your faith in the political system is much higher than mine. I wouldn't even begin to expect that in Australia, and we don't have institutionalised corruption like you do.",sci.space 838," Poppy cock! This story is obviously a complete fabrication, and I'll show you why... ^^^^ This establishes that the story takes place in Iowa. ^^^^^^^^ In Iowa?!?!? Come on now Dan, how dumb do you think we are? You could have at least thrown in a llama or tennis ball reference. Hell, you didn't even get the speed right. Dean ps. :-) ",rec.motorcycles 839," We here at IBM have the same problem with our workstations. I was also shocked when I first realized that you have to offset lines from fills by about 16 bits (assuming 24 bit z buffer). This seems huge, but is only 1/256 of the dynamic range. In those terms it doesn't seem so bad. What is happening is that the interpolation in z is not totally linear, due mainly to roundoff, I believe. So the polygon is not planar in z, but is more like a Ruffles potato chip. Ditto with lines. When you start/end at different x/y values, the ""ridges"" are out of phase, resulting in the stitch effect. You have the same problem if you try to draw 1 polygon right on top of another, but with different vertices. You will likely see a smeared effect where they overlap. Example: Try Polygon 1: (100,100,100) (100,200,100) (200,200,100) (200,100,100) Polygon 2: (125,125,100) (125,175,100) (175,175,100) (175,125,100) Your implementation is correct. In fact, we do a similar trick when rendering primitives that have lines and polygons - such as NURBS surfaces with isoparametric lines. Without the trick, the lines appear stitched, as you say. When the application draws lines/polygons independently, the system does not have the smarts to automatically do the z shifting, so the application must do it. This is what you have discovered and are doing. Bravo! (Note to IBM'ers: The information given here has been previously disclosed through proper channels so I'm not giving away any new unpublished info.) ",comp.graphics 840,"It happened to my classic ii once. At startup, after the usual powerup tone, there were chimes (kinda like do(1st)-mi(1st)-sol(1st)-do(2nd) or 1st C - 1st E - 1st G - 2nd C on the music scale), and it hanged before giving the happy mac. I had to re-powerup. This was asked before but I can't remember the answer. I've tried to find the answer from the faqs and other ftp sites but to no avail. Can anyone tell me what those unusual chimes mean? A spurious memory check error?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 841," This is misleading, at best. The question, really, has to do with the status of the Greek Septuagint versus Hebrew scripture. And the issue predates the Reformation by quite a bit -- Jerome was negative about the ""deuteroncanonicals"" and in fact, even though he transalted them, he put them after the Hebrew canon (reordered from the Greek ordering to the Hebrew one.) His translations of them were quick-and-dirty, also (he reports having done one of them in one day, and another overnight, just dictating his translation to an amanuensis. That is to say, it is the Vulgate, and all of its massive importance in Western Christianity, along with the veneration of Jerome, which took the first steps in ""reducing"" these books from the status they had (and have) among the Greeks. Furthermore, it is inaccurate to say that the Reformers ""threw out"" these books. Basically, they just placed them in a secondary status (as Jerome had already done), but with the additional warning that doctrine should not be based on citations from these ALONE. I think that the emphasis on the Hebrew originals is sound, though it seems somewhat arbitrary to disallow on the face of it a translation as part of a collection whose principles of selection (in Hebrew or Greek) are confused or unknown and likely fraught with accident. It also seems to play into a tendentious notion of the original languages being somehow ""more inspired"" -- as if magical, and conveying a message untranslatable -- than a translation, as if we could not hear God's word to the Jews in Greek (or German, or English, ...). This tendency seems to have got a big boost in _sola scriptura_ Protestantism, even to the point of current ""inerrancy"" bizarreness, despite the more basic, underlying tendency of the Reformers to see that the texts SHOULD and COULD be translated. If we can profit from an English rendering of Hebrew and Greek, there is surely little reason to keep Sirach, at least, out of our Bibles (and of course, Anglicans don't do so :-)). For texts originally in Greek, it would seem more to be anti-Greek prejudice (notably, by the time the Hebrew canon is fully attested, including anti-Christian prejudice which led to the Jewish abandonment of the Septuagint) which is operative. BTW: readers may enjoy some lectures of Bruce Metzger on the issues of translation of the Bible (including some of what I said about Jerome, above) in the current numbers of the journal _Bibliotheca Sacra_; two of four have been published so far.",soc.religion.christian 842,"Borchevsky is 5'9"" and Gilmour is 5'11""...I think Gilmour slightly outweighs Borchevsky. Andreychuk is also about 5'11"", I think.",rec.sport.hockey 843,"Dear Sirs! Commercial firm of Lithuania ""POLIUS"" is interested for new partners and establishing business contacts. At present we may offer to You the following We have HUMAN ALPHA-FETOPROTHEIN in liquit or leofil dried state with purity not less than 96,6. Price 980$ per 1 mg. Every month deliveries in quantity 50...100 mg. For more information please contact: E-mail internet: viktor@olesov.aiva.lt Fax (3702) 223 537 Phone (3702) 757 533 ",misc.forsale 844," Actually, that's based on the NHL's history of 7 games. The statstical odds of winning one straight game -- 50/50. Two straight games -- 25%. Three straight games -- 12.5%, 4 straight games = 6.25%. The odds of the Penguins winning 14 straight games in the playoffs was 0.0061%. Of course, this doesn't include weighted average, but the Pens beating the Devils 3 straight (a weaker team) along with beating the Rangers 3 straight (a much stronger team) has made the act balanced out. That's about right. For Boston the odds of winning are probably closer to 10% (with weighted average) since Buffalo's record isn't as good and Boston has a stronger team. Enough about my QBA probabilities though! It's just goes to prove ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, if you integrate that to Debbie Gibson :-) Moog gets about ***'s out of 5 for his performance from me. I give Blue 4 starts. Fuhr has been too tough. Buffalo caught a hot goaltender just in time...I mean, after all, Buffalo is 3 wins, 7 losses in their last 10. It's very frustrating to lose, and you've gotta say something. Actually it's not about winning or losing, it is how you play the game. But when the competition is magnified to this level, 99.9% of the people only care about who wins or loses :-) I think Buffalo will win in 6 -- it's not like Boston is getting blown away. They lost 2 OT games -- with a different bounce, they could easily be up 2-1. Good point here. Chicago's in deep trouble tonight. The 'Hawks have a bad past history of winning the division and losing early. When they don't finish 1st, they do okay.",rec.sport.hockey 845," Wow that certainly CONVINCED me that all Americans ar hung up about sex. Just one example of something that probably ran in a Hustler mag is enough to convince me. Sarchasm off. ",None 846,"I am planning on upgrading my old XT compatible system with a new motherboard, hard drive, and 1.4 MB floppy. I am interested in using my old power supply (150 W) to power the new hardware, if possible. I have been told by the motherboard vendor that I could probably use the supply if it had twelve wires going to the motherboard. (Apparently some XT vintage supplies had only 11 wires -- the 12th wire is a 5v line used to charge the motherboard battery). My question is has anybody tried bringing an additional wire out of an 11 wire supply OR using an auxiliary power source to charge the motherboard battery? I do not wish to buy an entirely new power supply if I can make use of my existing one with simple hacks. Thank you for any information. An email reply to rarbanas@rcsuna.gmr.com would be fine.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 847,"Excerpts from netnews.talk.politics.mideast: 16-May-93 Re: Saudi clergy condemns d.. Robertc. Moldenhauer@par (2149) The whole ""saddam is going to invade Saudi Arabia"" was nothing but US State Department propeganda. Saddam (and Iraq in general) never recognised the British created Kuwait. This is complete garbage. It is Kuwait FAQ number 1 (maintained, but not compiled, by me to rebut the leftist drivel frequently posted wrt Kuwait): ------------------------------------------------------------ First is a note on the bogus arguments that the British drew the maps to deprive Iraq of Oil. Then follows a chronology of events in Kuwait's history. Following the chronology is a speech by the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.N.. Following this is an article on the origins of Kuwait. Following this is a series of articles which attest to the fact that Kuwait was independent of both (non-existent) Iraq and the Ottoman Empire. --- The Iraqi regime claims that Kuwait was cut from Iraq by the British in order to deprive Iraq of its oil. The 1913 and 1932 border treaties between Kuwait and Iraq represent clear testimonies against such an allegation since oil was discovered in Kuwait in 1938! --- Kuwait: A Chronology [BC 600] The Hellens settled in Al-Khazna Hill area on Failaka Island. [529] Al-Monzer Bin-Ma'a Al-Sama'a defeated Al-Hareth Al-Kindi in the Kuwaiti area of Wara. [300] The Greeks lived on Failaka Island for two centuries. [73] A royal message was inscribed on the Ikarus stone which is now on view in the National Museum of Kuwait. [AD 623] The Arabs defeated the Persians at the battle of Zat Al-Salassel in the Kazima area. [1672] The approximate date of the establishment of Kuwait town when Barrak was the Amir of the Beni Khaled tribe. [1711] Approximately when the Al-Sabah family arrived in Kuwait. [1752] The approximate date of the election of Sabah Bin Jaber from the Al-Sabah family to be the first ruler of Kuwait. [1760] The first wall, 750 meters long, was built around Kuwait City. [1762] Abdulla Bin Sabah, the second ruler of Kuwait, came to power. [1765] C. Niebuhr, the Danish traveler, visited Kuwait which he referred to on his map as ``Grane.'' [1773] Kuwait was attacked by an epidemic and most of its inhabitants died. [1783] The Kuwaitis defeated the tribe of Bani K'ab in the sea battle of Riqqa. [1811] The second wall of Kuwait, 2300 meters long, was built. [1871] The Al-Taba'ah accident, in which many Kuwaiti diving ships were sunk, was caused by a massive tidal wave between India and Muscat. [1886] The first Kuwaiti currency was minted in copper during the reign of Sheikh Abdulla Al-Sabah II. [1899] Kuwait signs a treaty with Britain and becomes a protectorate. (see note below) [1911] December 22. Al-Mubarakiya School, the first formal school in Kuwait, opened. [1920] The third wall of Kuwait, 6400 meters long, was built. [1921] Kuwait took the first step toward democracy, the formation of a consultative council, but did not last for long. [1922] The total number of Kuwaiti pearl diving boats reached 800, manned by over 10,000 sailors and divers. [1922] The first public library in Kuwait was established. [1926] The historian Abdul Aziz Al-Rasheed published the first book on Kuwait. [1928] Kuwait's first periodical, the ``Kuwaiti Magazine,'' was published by Abdul Aziz Al-Rasheed. [1930] Kuwait Municipality was established. [1930] An Amiri Decree was issued prohibiting the wearing of the Bisht because of soaring prices. [1933] The Municipality installed lighting in the Kuwait market. [1934] December 7. Heavy rainfall destroyed many Kuwaiti houses. Therefore this year was called ``The destructive Year,'' ``Al-Sannah Al-Hadamah.'' [1938] February. Oil was discovered in Burgan oilfield. [1938] The first general elections, resulted in the first Legislative Council. [1942] The first bank in Kuwait was opened. [1945] ``Kuwait House'' was established in Egypt to look after Kuwaiti missions and interests. [1946] The first Kuwaiti crude oil shipment was exported. [1948] ``Kazima Magazine'' was issued, the first Kuwaiti magazine to be both printed and published in Kuwait. [1950] Sheikh Ahmed Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, who had ruled Kuwait for thirty years, died. [1951] May 12. Kuwait Radio went on the air for the first time. [1952] The first ``Kuwait Masterplan'' was drawn up. [1954] Khalid Al-Faraj, the man of letters and poet, died. [1954] December, 11. ``Kuwait Al-Youm'' (Official Gazette) was issued for the first time. [1955] Oil was struck in Al-Rawdhatain, north of Kuwait. [1957] Kuwait wall was demolished and removed. [1957] The ``Social Affairs Department'' conducted the first population census. [1958] December 1. The first issue of ``Al-Arabi'' magazine was published. [1960] The first Kuwaiti woman was employed by Kuwait Oil Company. [1961] April 1. The Kuwaiti Dinar became the official currency in Kuwait. [1961] June 19. The agrrement of January 23, 1899, concluded between Kuwait and Great Britain, was terminated. [1961] July 20. Kuwait became a member of the Arab League. [1961] December, 31. Kuwait Fund for Arab Economic Development was established. [1962] January 20. The elected constituent assembly met to draw up the Constitution of Kuwait. [1962] An Amiri Decree was issued providing for the division of the country into three governorates. [1962] November 11. The Amir of Kuwait, Sheikh Abdulla Al-Salem Al-Sabah ratified the first Constitution of Kuwait. [1963] January. The first elected National Assembly of Kuwait convened. [1963] May 17. Kuwait became a member of the United Nations Organization. [1963] August 7. The great Kuwaiti poet Saqr Al-Shebaib died. [1965] November 24. The Amir of Kuwait, Sheikh Abdulla Al-Salem Al-Sabah, passed away. [1966] The Neutral Zone was partitioned between Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. [1966] November 27. Kuwait University was inaugurated. [1968] May 13. Kuwait freed itself from all external obligations when it canceled the agreement of June 19, 1961. [1969] April 1. Central Bank of Kuwait was established. [1969] October 18. The first communications satellite earth station in Kuwait was inaugurated. [1973] July 6. The Kuwaiti pioneer and reformer Sheikh Yousef Bin Eisa Al-Qina'ai died. [1975] March. The government acquired full ownership of Kuwait Oil Company. [1976] The Social Security Law, applicable to Kuwaiti nationals, was issued. [1976] The Future Generations Reserves Law was issued. It stipulates the allocation of 10\% per annum of the State revenues for future generations. [1977] December 31. The Amir of Kuwait Sheikh Sabah Al-Salem Al-Sabah died. [1981] May 25. Kuwait signed the Articles of Association of the Gulf Cooperation Council. [1983] The Bubiyan Bridge, linking Bubiyan Island to the mainland, was opened for traffic. [1985] May 25. The Amir survived an attempt on his life when a bomb-laden car rammed into his motorcade on Arabian Gulf Street. ---From Kuwait, Facts and Figures, 1986. Shedding Some Light On September 29 1990, the National Council on US-Arab Relations invited the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States, Saud Nasser Al-Sabah. The following are quotes of his speech: ``Kuwait itself was an entity identified as Kuwait even before Iraq was identified as Iraq in the Ottoman Empire. Kuwait was in existence since 1752. We continued to be in existence until the conflict between the Ottoman Empire and the British and others in the area. Thereafter, we signed with the British in 1899 a protective agreement whereby the British guaranteed the sovereignty and security of Kuwait.'' ``In 1913, the British and the Ottoman signed an agreement defining without any doubt the borders of Kuwait as they stand today. Such an agreement was reconfirmed in 1932 between the Kuwaiti government and the Iraqi government at that time. That is when Iraq became a state, after Kuwait itself.'' ``In 1961, when we declared our independence Iraq seized the opportunity to claim Kuwait as part of Iraq. There were threats. The British came in, and Arab forces came in to guarantee the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Kuwait. In 1963, Kuwait and Iraq again signed border agreement, thereby defining our territory and Iraq's recognition to the sovereignty and territory of Kuwait.'' ---Compiled by Firyal Alshalalbi Origins of Kuwait The establishment of Kuwait is attributed to Barrak b. Ghurair of the Bani Khalid who used Kuwait as a summer residence. The beginning of Kuwait goes back to the late 17th century and some historians go further up to 1611. Kuwait's name is derived from al-Kut which means fortress. Kuwait is also called Qurain, which is the diminutive of qarn, a horn or hill. Kuwait town flourished and grew since its establishment. The 'Utub, al-Sabah family is a branch of 'Utub, settled in Kuwait during the early 18th century. They lived under the protection of Bani Khalid until 1752. After that, they became independent and Sabah Bin Jabir was chosen as the first ruler for 'Utub. Carsten Niebuhr (1733-1815) a Dutch explorer was among the first who wrote about the Arabia. He was the mathematician in the scientific expedition sent in 1760 by the King of Denmark to Arabia. He documented details of Arab tribes inhabiting both coasts of the Gulf and in the case of Kuwait, he was the first writer to give the two names by which the town was known, Kuwait and Qurain. Niebuhr's chart of the Persian Gulf was the best one drawn before the end of that century, see the map from Abu Hakima, History of Eastern Arabia 1750-1800. pub.1965. Al-Sabah ('Utub) kept good relations with other powers in the eastern Arabia. According to Ahmed Abu Hakima's conclusions in his well documented study about the history of eastern Arabia between 1750-1800, there was no Ottoman rule on the region. ``In the second half of the 18th century, there was no Ottoman ruler in Eastern Arabia. In fact, Ottoman rule was not even nominally acknowledged. Their attempts to restore their lost position in al-Hasa through the campaign of Thuwayni in 1786, and Ali Pasha's expedition against the Wahhabis in 1798, were unsuccessful. At Kuwait, the nearest point of the Utbi domains to the Ottoman Mutasallimiyya of Basra, the Shaikh was under no form of Ottoman control. The aim of 'Utbi external policy was to keep on friendly relations with all the forces working in the Gulf.'' (p. 182-183) Abu Hakima continued in his conclusions that ``Kuwait was not a dependency of Basra, the Persian occupation of Basra (1775-79) did not affect Kuwait.'' (p.183) Kuwait had its own identity through the Ottoman domination on the Arab world. This identity was clear to the British and the French who tried to win the support of Kuwait's Sheikh between 1793-95 when the British wanted his support in their conflict with the French in the Gulf area. --- Independent Kuwait This is the first of a series of articles that testify to the independence of Kuwait throughout its history from both Iraq and the Ottomans. The following text is related to an expedition carried out by the Ottomans in 1871 against the Wahhabis in Eastern Arabia (where the oil fields in Saudi Arabia now). Kuwait and its ruler at that time, Sheikh Abdulla Ibn Sabah Ibn Jabir, allied themselves with the Turks:} Abdullah' role in the fighting was not a minor one. He joined the expedition as a commander of the large Kuwaiti fleet and was the first to use its guns against the besieged town of Al-Qatif. Had it not been for this bombardment by the Kuwaiti fleet, Al-Qatif obviously would not have surrendered in a mere three hours. In relation to this, a question arises as to why the Ottoman warships refrained from participating in the bombardment. The answer lies in reports relating to the political movements that preceded accounts of the progress of the expedition. Because the Ottomans were unwilling to jeopardize the maritime peace imposed by Britain in the area, the Sultan and the Pasha promised their warships would not be used in the war against Su'ud or any Sheikh in the war zone. Kuwait, which was not a party to the above-mentioned treaty of 1861, was under no such obligation especially since the expedition was not directed against those who had signed it. [ From the above text, we can see that Kuwait was not part of the Ottomans or the British colonies. For more details about the mentioned expedition, please check out the source of the above text: The Modern History of Kuwait, 1750--1965, by Ahmed Abu-Hakima, McGill University, Canada ] --- Independent Kuwait--2 This is another article of a series of articles that testify to the independence of Kuwait throughout its history from both Iraq and the Ottomans. The following text discusses a dispute on an estate called Sufiyya in Zubair, Iraq, between the Sheikh of Kuwait and Al-Zuhair tribe in Zubair. In 1866, trouble developed over the possession by Sheikh Sabah of the estate which was [purchased] by his father, Sheikh Jabir, in 1836. This property was sequestered by a Turkish Qa'immaqam [representative] on the basis of a claim by the Al-Zuhair that the vendor had been the owner of a share and not of the n 100e Sufiyya. At the same time, Sheikh Sabah was required to expel from other lands owned by him at the island of Fao some cultivators who had immigrated from Persian territory. It should be recalled that the Turkish officials from the start showed strong prejudice in favor of the Zuhair claimants. Abdulla Ibn Sabah, the eldest son of the ruler of Kuwait who went to Basra as his father's agent in the case, narrowly escaped being thrown into jail upon his refusal to make a payment amounting to the value of seven years produce which the Ottoman authorities deemed the plaintiffs were entitled to receive. Eventually, the dispute was settled by the Wali [Governor] of Baghdad in favor of the Sheikh of Kuwait. The decision of the Governor of Basra in favor of the Sheikh was apparently made for various reasons. Some writers think that the Governor wanted to win Abdulla over to the Turkish side, and suggest that the Governor, Namiq Pasha, even offered him the title of Qa'immaqam, which he declined. Nevertheless, the proceedings of the Turks in this case were regarded by the inhabitants of Kuwait as attempts to cause a confrontation with Zubair. It seems that they had anticipated a conflict and according to reports by the British Agent at Basra, the people of Kuwait were prepared to a man to abandon their town rather than submit to Turkish rule. Lorimer suggests that the final order of Namiq Pasha, upholding the Kuwait Sheikh's title to Sufiyya, was perhaps due to a report that Sheikh Sabah, ``with the object of attacking Zubair if the decision should go against him, had obtained a promise of countenance and armed support from the Wahhabi Amir.'' In addition to this legal matter with Zubair, Kuwait had had other problems with Basra whose courts tried to jail Abdulla Ibn Sabah, as explained above. However, Kuwait's relations with the Ottoman mutasallims of Basra had at times been amicable and in several instances, those mutasallims even sought refuge at Kuwait when pressured by the Pashas of Baghdad who exercised control over them. [ Source: The Modern History of Kuwait, 1750--1965, by Ahmed Abu-Hakima, McGill University, Canada ] --- Independent Kuwait--3 This is another article that testifies to the independence of Kuwait throughout its history from both Iraq and the Ottomans. When Pelly [Colonel Pelly, the British Resident in the Gulf] visited Kuwait for the first time on March 3, 1863, he was met at Jahra by Sheikh Mubarak, the second son of the ruler, Sheikh Sabah. Just before he reached Kuwait town on March 4, he was met by Sheikh Abdulla, the eldest son and heir apparent, who accompanied him to the town gate on their way to ``a very good home,'' which had been prepared for Pelly and his companions. ``Scarcely had we entered it,'' says Pelly, ``when Sheikh Sabah himself came.'' This description of Pelly's reception indicates that to a certain degree it was run according to protocol. The government system of Kuwait and administration of justice were the subject of comments made by Pelly. ``The Government is patriarchal,'' says Pelly, ``the Sheikh managing the political, and the Cazee [Qadi] the judicial departments. The Sheikh himself would submit to the Cazee's decision.'' Punishment was rarely inflicted. ``Indeed, there seems little government interference anywhere, and little need of an army.'' Pelly in admiration of how the Sheikh ran the affairs of the country, retold the following remark which the Sheikh had made to him: When my father was nearly 120 years old, he called me and said, ``I shall soon die. I have made no fortune, and can leave you no money, but I have made many and true friends, grapple them. While other states around the Gulf have fallen off from injustice or ill-government, mine has gone on [flourishing]. Hold to my policy, and though you are surrounded by desert, and pressed by a once hostile and still wandering set of tribes, you will prosper.'' [ Source: The Modern History of Kuwait, 1750--1965, by Ahmed Abu-Hakima, McGill University, Canada ] --- Independent Kuwait--4 This is another article that testifies to the independence of Kuwait throughout its history from both Iraq and the Ottomans. The British had always regarded Sheikh Jabir as a ``good friend,'' but in October 1839, an event took place at Kuwait which could have weakened those good relations. On October 30, Lieutenant Edmunds, the Assistant Resident at Abu Shahr [in Iran], arrived in Kuwait on a special mission from the Resident, Captain Hennell. His mission was to find out if Kuwait was willing to welcome the establishment of a British line of post across the desert from Kuwait to the Mediterranean. The British war vessel fired the usual salute in honor of the Sheikh after it had anchored in the waters of Kuwait Bay. The salute was not acknowledged and Edmunds waited in the vessel for three days before he was able to communicate with the Sheikh. After Edmunds' return to Abu Shahr, both he and Captain Hennell explained this unusual behavior of the Sheikh, to have been due not to ill-will, but principally to a desire to mislead the Egyptian agent at Kuwait as to the nature of his relations with the British. Therefore, they considered that Jabir's conduct did not indicate any change in his friendly policies towards the British. If the British tolerated the attitude of Jabir towards Edmunds, so also did the Egyptians. Earlier in the same year, some of the most wanted men in the Wahhabi camp, such as 'Umar Ibn 'Ufaisan, the Wahhabi general in Al-Hasa, and Wahhabi tribes like Al-Duwaish, sought refuge in Kuwait. Protection of refugees seeking political asylum in his country was a policy that had been adopted earlier by Sheikh Abdulla Ibn Sabah. This can, therefore, be looked upon as an indication of self-confidence; an outcome of Kuwait's independence from foreign powers. It corroborates the fact that Kuwait, if necessary, was prepared to defend itself against more powerful neighbors. This defense depended not only on the walls of the city, but also on bedouin tribes in its neighborhood and a merchant fleet equipped with the necessary guns comparable to other Arab fleets of the time. As to Kuwait's position between 1815 and 1839, one can safely state that it managed to maintain a neutral policy with regard to the struggling Wahhabis and Egyptians. Relations with the British and even with the Pasha of Baghdad continued on good terms. [ Source: The Modern History of Kuwait, 1750--1965, by Ahmed Abu-Hakima, McGill University, Canada ] --- They were trying to recover land they believed was theirs, much like the Argentines in the Faulklands. The Kuwaitis pushed just a little too far by taking Iraqi oil and Saddam thought he'd settle the dispute the old fashioned way... Are you really this cartoonish? Or do you seriously believe this? If so, please post your proof. Everybody would have been much better off had they left the reunited Iraq together and concentrated on taking out Saddam. A strong, united Iraq with an elected government would have gone a long way to ridding the world of the feudal dictatorships in the Gulf. ",talk.politics.mideast 848," A HBP, but it reminds of my favorite (apochryphal ? sp ?) Don Drysdale story. When ordered to intentionally walk a batter who had hot-dogged on him in two previous at-bats, Drysdale reared back with the first pitch and drilled him right in the ribs. His manager came storming out of the dugout and yelled ""What did you do that for ?"" Drysdale growled back, ""What are you complaining for ? I saved you three pitches !"" Incidentally, if this is true, I'd love to know the other people involved. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Kury | ""One man stands... and the wall, cracks... and the wall, SUNY at Buffalo | cracks... and the wall, cracks... and the wall comes Dept. of Economics | crumbling down."" - Anthrax ",rec.sport.baseball 849," This is pure bull. I've had the 24 bit mode (640x480 and 800x600) working since the version before 59 (??55??). Bld 59 added the 24 bit option to Flexpanel. Try getting the drivers from ftp.cica.indiana.edu or wuarchive. Mine is: Gateway 486 DX2/50 LB 8 Megs ram IDE HD ATI GUP w/ 2MB (installed upgrade myself) BLD 59 drivers. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 850,"What's with John Franco? The Mets are hardly using him. I heard he was completely recovered, but now I'm not so sure. If there is anybody out there with information about Franco, I would appreciate it if you could drop me a line. ",rec.sport.baseball 851," I would not be suprised if the equipment is compatible, in fact New York Telephone (NYNEX) spend a lot of money on Swedish switching equipment recently. You can guess what brand of equipment I refer to :-) Michael",sci.electronics 852,"I have a 3 month old that seems to have acquired the jitters of late. The 14"" Apple color monitor that I'm using with an LCIII sort of jiggles to the left and right all the time now. I have attempted to relocate the monitor to make sure the problem isn't interference from something else, but the problem seems to remain no matter what I do. Has anybody encountered this problem? Thanks,",comp.sys.mac.hardware 853,"Hello there! A few days ago I got a mail concerning bitmap-stretching from SCOTT LEATHAM @ Microsoft Redmond WA, USA. I really would like to answer back to him, but I have lost his email-address. So if Scott or anybody that knows his email-address reads this, please mail me his address so I can answer his mail. Please mail to : d91tm@efd.lth.se",comp.graphics 854," The problem is that (by no fault of ESPN) ongoing games are not covered 'til the final horn sounds. With two channels, SCNY and SCA, late-finishing games (up to Pacific time) and overtimes elsewhere will kick in at the end of local coverage. If SCNY is blocked by the Mets, there is still some hockey on SCA (SCNY Plus). With an ESPN 2, the current situation would be alleviated. gld",rec.sport.hockey 855,"I have an old IBM PC-XT motherboard which has TWO banks of dip switches (eight switches per bank). I need to know which switch is required to install a hard disk. Does anyone have any archived documentation that would help me? Thanks -jim- jimd@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 856,"I've had a Valentine for about 9 months now and I agree that it is the best det ector available. The point here is trust and reliability. I've been able to ""tr ust"" the Valentine more than any other detector I've owend. If the Valentine sa ys that there is a moderate to strong radar source in front of me, then it's mo re than likely to be a speed trap. With my other detectors, I've gotten so many falses that I've begun to ignore someo of the warnings because I didn't want t o drive like I had one foot on the brake and one on the gas pedal. That directional indicator really, really helps. Plus, more info is almost alwa ys better than less info. No matter how smart radar detectors get, the human br ain is usually smarter. So, if I'm going to make a decisio based on information at hand, I want all the info I can get. Plus, if you divide the overall streng th of the radar signal by the number of bogeys reported, you'll find that each bogey is pretty weak and therefore not a radar threat. With other detectors, yo u'll just get one strong warning. My logic may be faulty on this, but I think i t works okay. Although, I must admit that I haven't really noticed the reflection problem of one radar souce.",rec.autos 857," I include the key verse (D&C 68:25) because others may not have the reference. ""And again, inasmuch as parents have children in Zion, or in any of her stakes which are organized, that teach them not to understand the doctrine of repentance, faith in Christ the Son of the living God, and of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of the hands, when eight years old, the sin be upon the heads of the parents."" What is ""the sin"" of the parents? Ezekiel 18 teaches a correct principle. However, it assumes that fathers and sons have equal knowledge to prepare for the judgment. Parents are responsible to teach their children the Gospel and other life skills. Should they fail to make a sufficient attempt to teach their children, the parent would be held responsible -- not for their children's sins, but for not teaching them properly. Whenever the Lord installs someone to a position of authority in either the family or the church He expects that person to teach those in his charge. In Ezekiel 33:7-9 someone called to care for others is likened to ""a watchman unto the house of Israel."" ""If thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul."" Even though the D&C prefaces this commandment with ""parents have children in Zion"" I believe all parents are responsible for teaching their children whatever good principles they understand. However, LDS parents accept greater responsbility and could be judged more strictly.",soc.religion.christian 858,"Well, I'm glad that there's plenty of NT stuff at Xhibition. Not because I want to use it instead of X, but because I want to find out what the chances are that some time in the future I may not have any choice. ",comp.windows.x 859,"Speaking of Roger and ilk, whatever happened to good ol' gln? I had him in my kill file since last year's playoffs and now that I've moved to a new news reader which doesn't have kill files, I find that he's gone. I must admit, however, that unlike gln, Roger seems to know something about the game as long as the subject doesn't touch on the Leafs.",rec.sport.hockey 860," There are exactly ZERO verses that ""clearly"" address the issues. The kind of interpretation I see as ""incredibly perverse"" is that applied to the story of Sodom as if it were a blanket equation of homosexual behavior and rape. Since Christians citing the Bible in such a context should be presumed to have at least READ the story, it amounts to slander -- a charge that homosexuality == rape -- to use that against us. The moderator adequately discusses the circularity of your use of _porneia_ in this. I think we can all agree (with Paul) that there are SOME kinds of activity that could be named by ""fornication"" or ""theft"" or ""coveting"" or ""reviling"" or ""drunkenness"" which would well deserve condemnation. We may or may not agree to the bounds of those categories, however; and the very fact that they are argued over suggests that not only is the matter not at all ""clear"" but that Paul -- an excellent rhetorician -- had no interest in MAKING them clear, leaving matters rather to our Spirit-led decisions, with all the uncomfortable living-with-other-readings that has dominated Christian discussion of ALL these areas. Homosexual behavior is no different. I (and the other gay Christians I know) are adamant in condemning rape -- heterosexual or homosexual -- and child molestation -- heterosexual or homosexual -- and even the possibly ""harmless"" but obsessive kinds of sex -- heterosexual or homosexual -- that would stand condemned by Paul in the very continuation of the chapter you cite [may I mildly suggest that what *Paul* does in his letter that you want to use is perhaps a good guide to his meaning?] ""'I am free to do anything,' you say. Yes, but not everything is for my good. No doubt I am free to do anything, but I for one will not let anything make free with me."" [1 Cor. 6:12] Which is a restatement that we must have no other ""god"" before God. A commandment neither I nor any other gay Christian wishes to break. Some people are indeed involved in obsessively driven modes of sexual behavior. It is just as wrong (though slightly less incendiary, so it's a secondary argument from the 'phobic contingent) to equate homosexuality with such behavior as to equate it with the rape of God's messengers. I won't deal with the exegesis of Leviticus, except very tangentially. Fundamentally, you are exhibiting the same circularity here as in your assumption that you know what _porneia_ means. There are plenty of laws prohibiting sexual behavior to be found in Leviticus, most of which Christians ignore completely. They never even BOTHER to examine them. They just *assume* that they know which ones are ""moral"" and which ones are ""ritual."" Well, I have news for you. Any anthropology course should sensitize you to ritual and clean vs. unlcean as categories in an awful lot of societies (we have them too, but buried pretty deep). And I cannot see any ground for distinguishing these bits of Leviticus from the ""ritual law"" which NO Christian I know feels applies to us. I'm dead serious here. When people start going on (as they do in this matter) about how ""repulsive"" and ""unnatural"" our acts are -- and what do they know about it, huh? -- it is a solid clue to the same sort of arbitrary cultural inculcations as the American prejudice against eating insects. On what basis, other than assuming your conclusion, can you say that the law against male-male intercourse in Leviticus is NOT a part of the ritual law? For those Christians who *do* think that *some* parts of Leviticus can be ""law"" for Christians (while others are not even to be thought about) it is incumbent on you *in every case, handled on its own merits* to determine why you ""pick"" one and ignore another. I frankly think the whole effort misguided. Reread Paul: ""No doubt I am free to do anything."" But Christians have a criterion to use for making our judgments on this, the Great Commandment of love for God and neighbor. If you cannot go through Leviticus and decide each ""command"" there on that basis, then your own arbitrary selection from it is simply idiosyncracy. In this context, it is remarkably offensive to say: Well, la-ti-da. So what? This is almost as slimey an argument as the one that homosexuality == rape. I know of no one who argues seriously (though one can always find jokers) in ""defense"" of bestiality. It is absolutely irrelevant and incomparable to the issues gay Christians *do* raise (which concern sexual activity within committed, consensual human adult realtionships), so that your bringing it up is no more relevant than the laws of kashrut. If you cannot address the actual issues, you are being bloody dishonest in trailing this red herring in front of the world. If *you* want to address bestiality, that is YOUR business, not mine. And attempting to torpedo a serious issue by using what is in our culture a ridiculous joke shows that you have no interest in hearing us as human beings. You want to dismiss us, and use the sleaziest means you can think of to do so. Jesus and Paul both expound, very explictly and in considerable length, the central linch-pin of Christian moral thought: we are required to love one another, and ALL else depends on that. Gay and lesbian Christ- ians challenge you to address the issue on those terms -- and all we get in return are cheap debate tricks attempting to side-track the issues. Christians, no doubt very sincere ones, keep showing up here and in every corner of USENET and the world, and ALL they ever do is spout these same old verses (which they obviously have never thought about, maybe never even read), in TOTAL ignorance of the issues raised, slandering us with the vilest charges of child abuse or whatever their perfervid minds can manage to conjure up, tossing out red herrings with (they suppose) great emotional force to cause readers to dismiss our witness without even taking the trouble to find out what it is. Such behavior should shame anyone who claims to have seen Truth in Christ. WHY, for God's precious sake, do you people quote irrelevant verses to condemn people you don't know and won't even take the trouble to LISTEN to BEFORE you start your condemnations? Is that loving your neighbor? God forbid! Is THAT how you obey the repeated commands to NOT judge or condemn others? Christ and Paul spend ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more time in insisting on this than the half-dozen obscure words in Paul that you are SO bloody ready to take as license to do what God tells you NOT to do. Why, for God's sake? ""For God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned for refusing to believe in the name of God's only Son. Now the judgment is this: the light has come into the world, but men have preferred darkness to light because their deeds were evil. For everyone who practices wickedness hates the light, and does not come near the light for fear his deeds will be exposed. But he who acts in truth comes into the light, so that it may be sh0own that his deeds are done in God."" John 3:17-21 For long ages, we (many of us) have been confused by evil counsel from evil men and told that if we came to the light we would be shamed and rejected. Some of us despaired and took to courses that probably *do* show a sinful shunning of God's light. Blessed are those whose spirits have been crushed by the self-righteous; they shall be justified. However, we have seen the Truth, and the Truth is the light of humanity; and we now know that it is not WE who fear the light, but our enemies who fear the light of our witness and will do everything they can to shadow it with the darkness of false witness against us.",soc.religion.christian 861," ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ Hopefully EPSN will use the lesson given by the master: Ted Turner. The season Ted introduced TNT, many cable co.'s refused to put it on, saying that, gee we get enough old movies, miniseries, etc. on TBS, USA, AMC, WGN, WOR, why do we need another one? This was in the fall. Come spring, Ted fixed their little red wagons good. The previous spring, NBA playoffs wore on TBS, now they were on TNT (and still are). And everyone gets TNT now. So, ESPN should put NFL football and baseball on ESPN2, and leave hockey on ESPN. And if cable co.'s play games and drop ESPN in favor of ESPN2, ESPN should alternate baseball and football between channels every week. But, do the ESPN guys collectively have the gonads of the Turner guy?",rec.sport.hockey 862," If ESPN/ABC is going to stick with one-sided Pens-Devils series(and it looks like they will continue with it on Thursday night), I'd rather watch pretty women in the stands than non-action on the ice where a slow,aging NJ team being taken out to lunch by a dynamic Pens squad.",rec.sport.hockey 863,": |> Let me begin by saying I think this is the world's first religion to use : |> the net as its major recruitment medium. Therefore, even if this : |> religion does not take off, its founding members will be very important : |> historically as this method of soliciting membership will eventually become : |> common. : : So what is Kibology? Chopped liver? Kibo Himself summed it up by saying ""Kibology is not just a religion, it is also a candy mint ... and a floor wax."" I personally think that it is more like Spam Clear. : : You really should check out alt.religion.kibology, as Kibo's religion is : slightly older than yours, makes more sense and has more slack. Yes! Why send money to B0B when Kibo will pay you to worship him. (Funny, he doesn't seem to have paid me...) : ------------------------------------------------------------------ : __ Live from Capitaland, heart of the Empire State... : ___/ | Jim Kasprzak, computer operator @ RPI, Troy, NY, USA : /____ *| ""I understand the causes, and sympathize your motivations, : \_| But all the details of this war are just your self-infatuation."" : ==== e-mail: kasprj@rpi.edu or kasprzak@mts.rpi.edu ",talk.religion.misc 864,"It's a shame there's no law against Driving While Stupid. After a little while it would prevent all kinds of accidents. Dean",rec.motorcycles 865,"I'd like to conduct a small survey relating to Americans' views on economics and on Japan. The survey consists of just two questions. I ask that only Americans respond; I've posted it worldwide, however, because I think others will be interested in the results. I'll tabulate the results and post them with some commentary. Please respond by email to ""borden@m5.harvard.edu"". Here are the questions: 1) As an American, would you prefer that in a given year, a) our economy grows by one percent, and Japan's economy also grows by one percent, or b) our economy grows by two percent while Japan's economy grows by three percent? 2) On what newsgroup did you read this survey? Thank you for your participation.",talk.politics.misc 866,"Robert MacElwaine sez (again!); OK, I got it. Actually, these message of MacElwaine's are coded messages. Read only the caps, and it all comes clear!: Maybe it's a message telling us what actually happened to the legendary Larson. Perhaps it's a warning that one should not expend too much effort trying to counter MacElwaine's postings. Who can be sure? :-) -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \ They communicated with the communists, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \ and pacified the pacifists. -TimBuk3",sci.space 867," James, it could be that they were determined to stay together in the compound no matter what happened. Perhaps the fire was accidental, and the DB simply refused to leave the compod. Perhap they died fighting the fire? who knows. we will have to wait and see. i persaonlly find it hard to believe that they would all agree to burn themselves up! what a horrible way to go.",talk.politics.guns 868,"Im new to Xlib programming. Im having a problem I hope someone here can help me with. I create a window, and I want it to have some background color, say red, and draw an oval in it. Further, when I resize the window, I want to be able to redraw the image so that is fills the new window (whether it is larger or smaller.) Im using AIXwindows on an RS6000. My problem is this: when I resize the window, only the ""original"" part of the window that was part of the window creation gets drawn into. Everything else is a grey..the oval ""tries"" to redraw itself but gets clipped. I can see that it WOULD be the right size if I could see all of it, but it only shows up in the region that was the original size of the window when created. For example, I start out the window at 200x200 in width and height. If I resize it to 400x400, the only part that has any color drawn into it is is from the origin out to 200x200..the rest is grey. Further the oval only shows up in that 200x200 area. What am I doing wrong?? How can I get a window to resize and redraw a re-scaled image in it to take up the full size of the window? Second question: Could someone tell me what Xaw and Xmu are???",comp.windows.x 869,"I didn't want to quote all the stuff that's been said recently, I just wanted to add a point. The whole question of ""a right to a dark sky"" revolves around the definition of a right. Moral rights and natural rights are all well and good, but as far as I can see, a right is whatever you or someone representing you can enforce. In most civilizations, the government or the church (or both) defines what the rights of the citizens are, and then enforces those rights for them. Here in the U.S., the constitution provides a ""Bill of Rights"" from which most if not all legal rights are considered to derive. I'm sure that most other countries have comparable documents. If you can persuade a court that you have a right to a dark sky derived in some manner from the Bill of Rights (in the U.S.), you can prevent (maybe) these billboards from being launched. To keep anyone in the world from launching then gets into international law and the International Court of Justice (correct name?) in the Hague, something I know little about.",sci.space 870,"I need the tool described in the subject line. Is there such a tool available via ftp? If so, I'd appreciate it if someone could e-mail me the location and pathname. Thanks. ------------- Saad Mufti Personal Library Software",comp.windows.x 871,"For a very long time I've had a problem with feeling really awful when I try to get up in the morning. My sleep latency at night is also pretty long, ranging from 30 min to an hour. I get about 7 hours of bedtime (maybe 6 of actual sleep) a night and more on the weekends. I will spend two or three hours laying in bed after this if I can, because I feel so tired when I wake up, even more tired than I was when I went to bed, which is usually too tired to work. Anyway, I recently had a really bad flu, so I called a friend to get me some cough syrup with both an expectorant and a nasal decongestant; but he got Vicks formula 44M which has everything but an expectorant. So I used that anyway, and the three nights I used it, I fell asleep rapidly and felt that I got really good quality sleep -- that is, I actually felt refreshed the next morning. So, I am now trying to look into, both in the literature and experimentally, the use of antihistamines as sleep aids, since I am presuming that it was the antihistamine that caused the effect. The antihistamine in Vicks formula 44 is Chloriphenamine maleate, so I bought some generic tablets of that, and tried one last night and didn't notice any improvement. I might try one with a little alcohol (about 1 beer) to see if it is a synergism effect. Also, library research seems to show that Benadryl is the antihistamine with the strongest sedative effect of what is availible OTC. So I might also buy a generic form of that and try that; the PDR seems to suggest that 50 mg is a good dosage level to try. For other medical information, I have allergies but rarely have an allergic reaction living in New Mexico. I also have chronically dry eyes, which get horrible if I try to use most underarm deoderants. I did guess that my problem might be caused by hypoglycemia, so I made some changes in my diet consistent with that, and it didn't help, so I went back to a normal diet (Pretty diverse, also taking vitamin supplements)",sci.med 872," But one of the most basic concepts of Christian morality is that we all have defective appetites due to original sin. Not just homosexuals, but everybody. Thus we are not entitled to indulge in whatever behavior our bodies want us to. I think we need to keep clear the distinction between homosexual _behavior_ (which is wrong) and homosexual _orientation_ (which is not a sin, merely a misfortune). [Please: NO EMAIL REPLIES. Respond in this public forum.]",soc.religion.christian 873,"Is there an easy (ie via shell commands) way to tell what the DISPLAY environment variable is for any given client process? Sometimes I can get what I want by typing ps -axe if: a. the client was invoked with a -display argument or b. DISPLAY is one of the first few variables defined in the environment (actually I've never seen b. but it's there to illustrate the type of thing I'm looking for) Ultimately I wish to determine the number of displays that are simultaneously running a given X application. my system: SunOS 4.1.2 sun4c thanks for any help, ",comp.windows.x 874," [A lot of interesting stuff about gopher - deleted] I've heard of it but lost the intro posting that came out a while back - could you post it again? I think it's of general interest. Ben",comp.graphics 875," That was a reasonable insertion, so folks would know ""Random"" hadn't made an error reposting your message. No one was flaming you for the typo. I have heard such claims from disgruntled former members. Could be true, who knows. No proof. And what does all this have to do with the BATF and FBI actions? No, you missed his. This from someone who does not have a return address in his header: ---- Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns From: () Subject: Re: CLINTON JOINS LIST OF GENOCIDAL SOCIALIST LEADERS Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT. Lines: 65 ---- Whereas David Pope (random) did, so a reasonable newsreader could simply hit reply to his comments, but not to yours. Get an education in Internet use, ""my man"". Jim -- jmd@handheld.com",talk.politics.guns 876," Don't even get hyped up. They are still accepting submissions from the members for various proposals of how to implement the standard. You don't seem to realize that while v32bis was just an extension of v32 (which took years to pass, implement, and finally sell at a reasonable price), v.fast requires all new technology (not just faster DSP chips, etc.) to achieve its performance. Wait until next spring for the final ratification and modems coming shortly after that. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 877,"[Posting the text of H.R. 893 ...] [ ... ] [page break] OB ill-wind-and-all-that: with Bill the Prez in there, at least the anti-gunners are out of the closet. The provision that any existing so-called ""assault weapons"" die with their current owners was worked into H.R. 3371 (102nd Congress bill number) a couple of years ago, in a complicated way that the anti's claimed was a ""drafting error."" Can't call 'em ""lying bastards"" any longer. (Not all the time ... :-)",talk.politics.guns 878," The best one I've seen is CEO, by Sloop Software. They have a sharware version, but the retail version is only $40-50. It's incredibly complete, subfolders to any level, choose any icon, hot keys, drop down menus, button bars, etc. Haven't found anything it doesn't do. Try mailing 72540.144@compuserve.com for details. Tom",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 879,"1B Career: DON MATTINGLY!!!!!!!! ",rec.sport.baseball 880,"Hello. Hoping to net some netters who are in the helping professions (counseling, psychology, psychiatry, social work, therapy etc.) to network on some topics and consider the possibility of a sci.counseling.christian type newsgroup or list. The integration of psychology and counseling and theology is a subject of great debate and one of particular interest to me. If you're out there, please lemme know. Email me direct if you will so we can get to know one another off the news.",soc.religion.christian 881," Anybody who drove into somebody like that in this country would hopefully lose their licence. However, the avoidance is simple. Don't stop behind the cage. stop beside it, or better still, in front of it, so that it acts as a buffer. Tony ",rec.motorcycles 882," Not according to reports I have read. It seems that the Somalis think of our African American Marines in less than complimentary terms, using gestures that signify a word I refuse to use. Seems that even when you try to help people, they still insult you. ",talk.politics.mideast 883," Liefting> The alt.* hierarchie is created for 2 purposes: 1. For Liefting> groups which do not fit under the comp.* or other 'official' Liefting> hierarchies 2. For the fast creation of hot new newsgroups Liefting> like alt.gulf.war Liefting> Because there is no voting process or any other control Liefting> facilities, sites are free to decide not to carry (some of) Liefting> the alt groups. Liefting> Therefore, it is (I think) desirable to try to create Liefting> comp.graphics. {raytrace, rendering or whatever} and not an Liefting> alt-group Plus, *many* sites, (especially many .com sites) do not carry any alt newsgroups. (We don't for example.) A comp.* group will get a much broader distribution and would be useful to many more people. Plus the topic is important/popular enough to warrant its own group, IMHO.",comp.graphics 884,"Sharp Wizard: OZ-8000 electronic organizer w/ 64k RAM * Home and World clocks * Calendar * Schedular * Anniversary and periodic dates * 3 Telephone directories * Business card directory * Calculator * Outliner/Memos * 40x8 screen * QWERTY style keyboard * Alarms * Password protection * PC computer interface (requires cable) * Software card slot w/ touch screen * vt100 terminal builitin (requires cable and modem) I also have have an external battery pack that uses AA's Mail order price: sharp $300 : battery pak $35 Asking : $150 for the whole deal Unit is in perfect shape, I just don't use as anything but an address book. ",misc.forsale 885,"It's over - the Sabres came back to beat the Bruins in OT 6-5 tonight to sweep the series. A beautiful goal by Brad May (Lafontaine set him up while lying down on the ice) ended it. Fuhr left the game game with an injured shoulder and Lafontaine was banged up as well; however, the Sabres will get a week's rest so injuries should not be a problem. Montreal edged Quebec 3-2 to square their series, which seems to be headed for Game 7. The Habs dominated the first two periods and were unlucky to only have a 2-2 tie after 40 minutes. However, an early goal by Brunet in the 3rd won it. The Islanders won their 3rd OT game of the series on a goal by Ray Ferraro 4-3; the Caps simply collapsed after taking a 3-0 lead in the 2nd. The Isles' all-time playoff OT record is now 28-7.",rec.sport.hockey 886," And DoDers are easily recognized by their own special wave. Pay attention and I'll tell you how to do it. Hold your left hand out in front of you, fingers straight but apart - like a vase. You may also use your right hand if you have a throttle lock or are stopped. Bring your fingertips and thumb together, touch, and open back to the starting position. While you are doing this, move your hand slowly to the left. Do it gracefully and with a waving motion. You are now imitating a squid propelling itself about underwater probably in search of food, drink, squids of the appropriate sexual orientation, or other squids to go riding with. ",rec.motorcycles 887,"I have been using WinQVT/Net 2.81 under Win3.1 (dos 5.0) for quite sometime without any problem. I recently installed DOS 6.0 on my 386-40 PC and I cannot run WinQVT/Net any more. I keep getting ""Packet received for invalid port-reset sent"" messages on the console window. I can't get more than 1 telnet window and can't use ftp!!! Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 888,"Forwarded from the Mars Observer Project MARS OBSERVER STATUS REPORT April 30, 1993 11:30 AM PDT DSS-65 (Madrid 34 meter antenna) did not acquire the expected Mars Observer Spacecraft signal at the scheduled beginning of track yesterday morning (4/29) at approximately 6:00 AM. Indications were that the spacecraft had entered a Fault Protection mode sometime between that time and receipt of normal telemetry at the end of the previous station pass (DSS-15 - Goldstone 34 meter antenna) at approximately 8:00 PM the evening before. Entry into Contingency Mode was verified when signal was reacquired and telemetry indicated that the spacecraft was sun coning. After subsystem engineers reported all systems performing nominally, fault protection telemetry modes were reconfigured and memory readouts of command system Audit Queue and AACS (Attitude and Articulation Control Subsystem) Starex performed. These readouts verified that Contingency Mode entry occurred shortly after 1:30 AM yesterday, 4/29/93. Preliminary indications are that a Sun Ephemeris Check failure triggered fault protection. However, the Flight Team will be determining the precise cause over the next few days. As of last evening, the spacecraft had been commanded back to Inertial Reference and was stable in that mode. The Flight Team is planning to command the spacecraft back to Array Normal Spin state today.",sci.space 889," I know for sure that the Everex Magic I/O EV-170A can be jumpered for a printer mode, or for a general purpose bidirectional I/O mode. Also, I know for sure that the IBM Technical Reference says the following about the Monochrome Display & Printer Adapter and the IBM Parallel Printer Adapter: It is essential that the external device not try to pull these lines [referring to the data lines] to ground. And later: If an external device should be driving data on these pins (in violation of usage ground rules) at the time of an input, this data will be `or'ed with the latch contents. I will accept no responsibility if you incur damages of any kind as a result of my saying, ``I DO NOT know for sure, but I think you should be able to use a traditional parallel port as an input port by writing 0x to the data lines, and then reading from the data lines, while an external device drives them.'' The input data will not be latched, so noise could make this infeasible.",sci.electronics 890," Do you know of the world-wide-web? This is a global hypertext (well, hypermedia) network running on the internet. One of the nice things about it is that is understands and incorporates virtually all of the other systems being used, like WAIS, Gopher, FTP, Archie, etc. It is usually quite easy to add existing resources to the web. If you'd like to explore, I'd suggest getting the XMosaic program, written at the NCSA. It's an X-windows web browser, and is pretty slick. It can understand and cope with more than text: gif, jpeg, mpeg, audio, etc. There are other browsers, including a text-mode browser for people stuck on a text terminal, but I'm most familliar with mosaic. Under the page ""The World-Wide Web Virtual Library: Subject Catalogue"" (this is available under the Documents menu in mosaic, or by any browser via the URL http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/DataSources/bySubject/Overview.html ) there is a subject ""Space Science."" Currently this points to a page under construction, with only the NASA JPL FTP archive. I've volunteered to take over this page, and in fact I have a replacement with all sorts of information pointers (mostly gleaned from the sci.space FAQ). As soon as the overworked ""Subject Catalogue"" maintainer switches the ""Space Science"" pointer, it'll be visible. I'll post a short note when this happens. -- Frederick G. M. Roeber | CERN -- European Center for Nuclear Research e-mail: roeber@cern.ch or roeber@caltech.edu | work: +41 22 767 31 80 r-mail: CERN/PPE, 1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland | home: +33 50 20 82 99",sci.space 891,"People who criticize ""big Government"" and its projects rarely seem to have a consistent view of the role of Government in science and technology. Basically, the U.S. Government has gotten into the role of supporting research which private industry finds too expensive or too long-term. (Historically, this role for the U.S. Gov't was forced upon it because of socialism in other countries. In order for U.S. industries to compete with government-subsidized foreign competitors, the U.S. Gov't has taken on the role of subisizing big-ticket or long-lead R&D.) As a Republican, I abhor the necessity for our Government to involve itself in technology this way. I believe that market forces should drive technology, and the world would be a better place for it. But the whole world would have to implement this concept simultaneously, or some countries would have subsidized R&D, while others would not. So the U.S. must subsidize because everybody else does. (This sounds a lot like the farm subsidies arguments behind our GATT negotiations, doesn't it?) But this role of Government subsidies is antithetical to cost-effectiveness. The general idea is to spend money on new technology, and thereby maintain and promote our technological culture, despite the forces in the business world (like the dreaded quarterly earnings report) which erode the ability of U.S. industry to invest in new technology. And since our goal is to spend money, it makes little sense to try to save money. Of course, we could always spend our money more wisely, but EVERYBODY disagrees about that the wisdom should be. It's interesting to note that some of our best tools for cost control available in industry today were derived from Government projects. GANTT charts, CP/M, and most of the modern scheduling software comes from DoD projects and their contractors. The construction industry has taken these tools to the core of their businesses; every large construction project now uses these tools. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368",sci.space 892," I think a compromise would work; namely honouring personages in Conference names, and using geographical references in the divisional names. Although I still do not think the move will draw fans to the game; IMO it's a cosmetic change that Bettman and the owners _hope_ will have an effect. And it doesn't say much for the mentality of anybody it works on, either. Surprise, I agree totally. The points system is fine, if everybody at all times has played the same number of games. Since this is almost never the case, winning percentage is the way to go. I don't particularly care if it is an ""American"" thing either, if it works. ",rec.sport.hockey 893,"I guess that nobody noticed that the calls during the world series (and, in fact all year) have been pretty much consistently CORRECT. Remember: the rule says it's a strike if ANY PART of the ball passes through the strike zone. I would certainly agree that high strikes are not called (who could argue this point?) but all in all I think in and out is called pretty well. ",rec.sport.baseball 894," I am aware of the restrictions imposed by the munitions act on the export of cryptographic technology, however, is it illegal to transmit encrypted data from the U.S. to another country? If so, then which laws apply to this situation? From the US law perspective, unless you're engaging in illegal speech, it's not illegal to use encryption. Yet. The NSA is allowed to try to listen, but you're not obligated to make it easy for them. Yet. The other country may have more repressive laws about that; I gather France's bureaucracy wants to know what you're saying, and in the old Soviet Union, they didn't need laws to make things illegal :-( (paranoia follows, for those of you who want to play it safe :-) The fact that the NSA is listening may affect your willingness to use wimpy crypto technologies, but it may also affect your willingness to use technologies that violate RSA's patents, e.g. if you use PGP, the NSA may tell RSA that you're doing so, and if the Secret Service catches on, they may decide that the mere fact that RSA hasn't filed a lawsuit against you doesn't mean that you don't deserve to have your computer confiscated for possible patent violation, munitions law violation, espionage, money laundering, drug importation, and creatin' a disturbance, and then not give it back because you *did* violate the patent even though they had to drop all the other charges, unlike that nasty Steve Jackson who had the gall not to be guilty of *anything*.",sci.crypt 895,"Hi, I bought, on the net here, a mini-tower 386dx25 system. It works fine, but I have no docs on the motherboard. Does anyone know who a manufacturer named WPI is? That is the only marking on the board that is not related to a chip/connector name. It says (c)1991, WPI Also, this board has a connector at the other end of the motherboard, it looks like this: +---------------------------------+ | Batt | | 387 | Socket for 387 math coprocessor | | | 386 | 386 chip is about here | | | ========= ==== J | = signs are the ISA slots | ========= ==== M | | ========= P | Jumpers for turbo/kb etc are where | ========= ==== ------ E | marked | ========= ==== ------ R | | ========= ==== ------ S | - signs are 8 banks of SIMM sockets | ========= ==== | | ========= ==== ======= | <<",rec.motorcycles 908,"I recently installed dos 5.0 on a few machines, and the users claim that when they use the mouse often, the screen will blank, and the machine will lock up. There are no viruses, they are not running any TSR's. (the mouse is a logitec 2 button) Anybody got any ideas? thanks",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 909," Would you believe that there is a letter in MacWEEK this week from one of the hardware types at Digital Eclipse. He says that they run tests on all of the components to see if they will perform at the upgraded speed. If they do not then DESI replaces them with ones that do.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 910,"-- Are the any Opel GT's out there? I'm wondering if there are enough to starting a mail list... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew R. Singer MIT Lincoln Laboratory (617) 981-3771 244 Wood Street singer@ll.mit.edu Lexington, MA 02173",rec.autos 911," I don't think touting contributions is a good idea. World War II produced many many beneficial spinoffs. Eg. Radar, jet aeroplanes, rocket technology. I don't think anyone would argue that World War II was, in and of itself, a good thing. If you want people to back the space program it must be a good thing in and of itself.",sci.space 912," Anyone know if there is an updated driver for Sony DAT drives? I can't get mine to work with our 950 (see ""Sony DAT / Retrospect Problems"" posted in this group) but I'm also having problems with other new macs... Cheers, Matt. -----------------------------------------------------------------------",comp.sys.mac.hardware 913,"*** Unecessary ... might do it, too much trouble :) *** Agreed Mixali... *** Not entirely true..> TRUE *** Unecessary ... Path of least resistance (TM) :) : Get WinGIF 1.4 from cica (ftp.cica.indiana.edu pub/pc/win3/(desktop?) ) It will save to native .rle format unlike PSP (an otherwise fine, fine prog) Make a file using anything that has to be less than 30k, as Michael said, and less than 16 colors... Import it to WinGIF as gif, pcx or bmp and save it in you windows/system subdir as vgalogo.rle (NOT .lgo). Exit Win, and run setup in the windows subdir. Reselect your _current_ config. Run Win. Voila' (minor correction: the .rle file has to be <30k. that means ~15k gif ?) Hope it helps... (and please, please someone put this in the group's FAQ) ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 914," [...] The events I saw were: 1) Called strike by Hirschbeck 2) Shocked-looking Gant asks for appeal to first 3) No appeal to first 4) Gant steps out of batters box. 5) Hirschbeck *immediately* orders Gant back in. [bad move] 6) Gant ignores Hirschbeck and walks off. [bad move] 7) Hirschbeck yells at Gant. Gant is silent. 8) Hirschbeck calls for the pitch. 9) Pitch is called a strike. 10) Cox argues (couldn't see when he came on the field) 11) Cox is ejected, players everywhere 12) Play finally resumes. Gant shouldn't have ignored Hirschbeck. Not returning made the strike call fairly likely. Although I suspect an argument might have gotten Gant tossed altogether. But if Hirschbeck had let Gant step out, the whole incident probably would have been avoided. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic",rec.sport.baseball 915,"Teemu Selanne had 3 goals, Keith Tkachuk had one, and Luciano Borsato scored a rare Jets shorthanded goal as the Jets held on to beat the Canucks 5-4, and close the series to 2-1. Trevor Linden and Pavel Bure had two goals each for the Canucks in a losing cause. Selanne came out of a two game goal scoring slump, scoring two powerplay goals, and one on a nice breakaway pass from Darrin Shannon. Hard work paid off tonight for the Jets, and if the Jets continue to exhibit this strong work effort, they can make a series of it. (I woofed last year when we were up 3-1...I ain't going to do THAT again. I'll have to be quietly happy with a solid performance. ;)",rec.sport.hockey 916,"Excerpts from netnews.rec.autos: 24-Apr-93 Honda Mailing list? by James B. Atkins@prism.ga ",None 917,"I'm looking for the best source for SIMMs in the USA. I'm not looking for the lowest prices, but rather for the best quality SIMMs and the one with the lowest rate of defective SIMMs. I know the chip Merchant has good prices but they seems to have a high rate of returned SIMMs. Does anyone know how many SIMMs you have to purchase to obtain quantity discount ?. Thank you. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 918," Yeah! That's it! :) You've really outdone yourself this time Nick... Don't forget the ""Davidian Muslims""... :) Islam is not a race. It's a religion. You can be white, black, Fijian or Alaskan. I guess you didn't absorb too much of the Malcolm X interest circulating. You see, the whole point of Islam is that it stresses equality amongst all peoples. Now, I do realize this is difficult for you to comprehend given your staunch beliefs in Serbian ethnic cleansing, but give it a try, it's really not that difficult. That's right, it's a Disneyland war -- all a setup for the TV cameras. There are also people who believe man never landed on the moon, that the whole Apollo story was done in TV studios... Terms of secession? You are, of course, joking, right Nick? Nobody *chose* to fight. Bosnia and Croatia were *internationally* recognized nations when the Serbs attacked and started on their well-documented genocide. That makes them an outside aggressor. It's a simple genocide, a classical example of ethnic cleansing. There is no question of civil war...",talk.politics.mideast 919,"I've found a problem in the use of Xlib functions regarding re-entrancy. I decided to implement an animated cursor (using 6 created cursors) by calling XDefineCursor from a SIG_ALRM signal handler. This is used to indicate we are waiting for a operator request to complete. (on a production control system). I was redrawing the screen underneath the animated cursor and then restoring the standard cursor when complete. I found dumped core , and upon analysis it was when the SIG_ALRM handler was called during a XDrawString call. XDrawString was doing a bcopy (presumably an internal structure) when the XDefineCursor was called. Presumably the (internal) structure that XDrawString was manipulating was not in a stable state and sent XDefineCursor to where it shouldn't have been. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any official documentation that says you should ensure this doesn't happen? Or should bcopy() be atomic. We are running on SGI Irix 4.0.1 with X11R4. -- Regards, Martin",comp.windows.x 920," Give him the $2, leave the house and call the police. That's what I would do. I will not kill to protect mere possessions. Peace be with you,",talk.religion.misc 921,"Hi, I'm looking for RGB (cube) --> HLS (double hexcone) --> HSV (cylinder) conversion routines. I have RGB <--> HSV, but miss the HLS <--> RGB/HSV. PLEASE E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY, AS I DO NOT GET THIS NEWSGROUP AT MY SITE -------------------------------------------------------------------- Any and all help wil be greatly appreciated. Gert. --",comp.graphics 922," I would be veru interested also, if there is one. Could someone please send me some info?",rec.sport.baseball 923," There are two things at work here ... the public insurance is very wide in what it will cover, as the amortization is also universal. No private plan can boast of a plan that fits a Gaussian curve ... and as our private sector has discovered, they're better off not offering insurance coverage that their customers are going to use. (-; The alternative to the system is no system at all (patients opted out, doctors opted out, or both). But that only for insurance ... and you can't force a private insurance company to sell you a plan that they will not offer. And remember that the actual health care is delivered by private entities who collect from the public insurance voluntarily. Again, they can't force a private entity to spring to life to pay them. Plus, there is the matter of culture and values ... I'm basically anti-tax and anti-government, by Canadian standards ... yet I can't bring myself to make the same arguments as you do, despite that I understand where you're coming from. Up north, you're so much more likely to find someone protesting taxes going to defence than health insurance premiums to only one fund for basic coverage ... Yes, primarily in Quebec and in Alberta. Sorry, I musta lost you in that verbose blurb ... In Canada and Germany, it's not mandatory. However, it is negative option in that you must request the exemption. That the private sector will not provide private basic coverage if offered the option (as in the Quebec case) tells me something about what they know ... Yes, but part of the reason is that our most of our markets are too small to sustain many specialists, sometimes not even one, so you pretty well have to be a GP to get paid. And if you do get the training, the doctors monopoly might block your getting of a licence because there is already someone in the business and who cannot fill his/her appointment book. That we have a CMA doctors monopoly is something that the American AMA-oriented medical lobby NEVER tells you down here ... No, I respect people who do specialties (okay, all of my MD friends are (-;) but there's the question of our small market dynamics up north ... if anything, that our private doctors and hospitals sell their services to Americans to generate more business will inflate their effective population served, and thus make some specialties finally viable (i.e., there will be enough customers). We just do not have enough sick Canadians in absolute numbers otherwise. Uh ... Germany basically uses our method, with their many sickness funds. The competition is fake if it exists at all, because they're all interlinked. Look in Der Spiegel or Stern (my girlfriend is in our German department and her uncle is a private practicioner in Saarbrucken) ... no ads for health insurance. While Canada organizes by province, Germany organizes the paperwork around big corporations and regional offices. But remember that we have provinces that have the same population as some major German corporations. Germans have public health insurance, just that it is brokered by smaller entities (actually, brokerage of basic by private firms who'll sell extra insurance to fill out their policies, sort of a voucher system, was one of the first ideas floated in Canada, too). Remember, the Germans don't have HMO's ... a telling sign, 'cos Rochester does and they're also a company town. I'll have to let a Canadian MD jump in to verify that claim, but I've come to learn to suspect anything in the American press about our ""system"". If much or some of it were true, you'd have to take us for idiots for tolerating it. And given that our insurance was installed during a period when there were only Liberal and Tory governments federally and provincially, and the socialists are still chafing, they would've pressed for real socialized medicine to fix things ... think about it. After all, we are using the U.S. as a metric to make comparison ... both for keeping-up-with-the-Joneses as for confirming that we did something right. gld",talk.politics.misc 924,"I'm looking for a copy of Friedman's Riverbank Publication No. 16 ""Methods for the Solution of Running-Key Ciphers."" Agean Park Press tells me that their publication C-23 ""The Riverbank Publications, Volume 1"" is out of print. Can anyone snail-mail me a photocopy of No. 16? If someone could it would be much appreciated. Regards,",sci.crypt 925," Interesting, as I think computer technology is now becomming widespread enough now that it is no longer a position which must require a degree. I know of several people I work with that make just as much as I do and they don't even have a BS degree in comp sci. yet they make 28+ a year. They also didn't have to pay 30 grand to thier local University either. :( I think computer programming is being reduced to a trade practice, than a truly specialty field. It will be even more so in the future. If your interested in cutting edge type of stuff and you choose CS as I did, I suggest checking out the emerging field of Software Engineering. The difficulties for example of designing scaleable design environments for individuals so that a single person can handle 100,000 to 1,000,000 million lines of code all by himself in a reasonable manner and then incorporate that into a teamwork enviroment is truly a gigantic problem...not going to be solved any time soon unfortunately...but hey you could be the person that provides the missing key for some good groundwork! Well, if your like the poor slobs in the world..like me, you are in no financial position to continue Graduate work right out of a Top 10 comp sci school. The trick is, to find some generous INC you work for to PAY for the rest of your education...TRUST ME its the best way to go..even if you don't get a TOP salary. Which I have always been a poor slob throughout school but if you follow this rule: BOOK=SALARY=FOOD&SHELTER you should always have a computer and you won't go hungry. What else could a man want?! ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 926," One of my brothers had spent a lot of time practicing bizzare tricks on his megabuck/micromass bike. He said he once repelled a dog attack by picking up the rear of the bike and smacking the dog in the side of the head with the rear wheel. The dog had _no_ idea what hit him, and he fled quite rapidly. Then again, he could jump garbage cans without a ramp, so I don't think I'd care to try this one on a motorcycle. That's almost unfair, I've never seen a dog that could use a phone. :-)",rec.motorcycles 927,"Once upon a time, long long ago in this news group, someone posted a schematic for a 1-bit A/D converter. Well I just found a use for the little monster. Anyone out there still got this text file? It had a flip-flop, a resistor and a cap, and a comparator/op-amp I think. I would be extremely thankful to anyone who could mail me the schematic or post it to the news-group. ",sci.electronics 928," Oh boy, get a small baby and figure out how much brain power they have the first 6 months.... Cheers, Kent",None 929," Vell, this is perfectly normal behaviour Vor a Vogon, you know?",alt.atheism 930," The overhead replay pretty clearly showed that it was the Quebec defender who deflected the puck. The re-play officials did not take nearly as much time to make this call as they did for the first non-goal, so it seemed pretty non-controversial. I agree that it was a great game; good to see Roy and Damphousse back into form. Hopefully the sign of good things to come...",rec.sport.hockey 931," Here you give positive, accurate ""facts"" about what happened to the beduins and the land: After the creation of the State of Israel, 80 percent of the Negev Bedouin were expelled to the Sinai or to Southern Jordan. The 10,000 who were allowed to remain were confined to a territory of 40,000 hectares in a region were annual mean precipiation was 150 mm - a quantity low enough to ensure a crop failure two years out of three. The rare water wells in the south and central Negev, spring of life in the desert, were cemented to prevent Bedouin shepherds from roaming. A few Bedouin shepherds were allowed to stay in the central Negev. But after 1982, when the Sinai was returned to Egypt, these Bedouin were also eliminated. At the same time, strong pressure was applied on the Bedouin to abandon cultivation of their fields in order that the land could be transferred to the army. And now you say noone knows anything about what happened there: No reliable statistics exist concerning the amount of land held today by Negev Bedouin. It is a known fact that a large part of the 40,000 hectares they cultivated in the 1950s has been seized by the Israeli authorities. Indeed, most of the Bedouin are now confined to seven ""development towns"", or *sowetos*, established for them. (the rest of the article is available from Elias Davidsson, email: elias@ismennt.is) So what you basically say is that ""we know for sure that nothing good happens there now, we know for sure that the beduins prospered before the Jews arrived and that they were driven away by the Jews, noone on earth knows about what the Jews did there."" Is that what you said? Could you proove any of the nonsense you wrote? BTW, try asking beduins in Sinai how they mis the Israelis. Not to mention that there are enough valotaring beduins in the IDF to have at least one full brigade of them. ",talk.politics.mideast 932,"Following is a short note commenting on den Boer and Bosselaers' recent work on the MD5 message-digest algorithm. Feel free to email questions or further comments. -- Burt Kaliski RSA Laboratories ---------------------------------------------------------------------- \documentstyle[12pt]{article} \begin{document} \title{On ``Pseudocollisions'' in the MD5 Message-Digest Algorithm} \author{Burton S. Kaliski Jr. \\ {\tt burt@rsa.com} \and Matthew J.B. Robshaw \\ {\tt matt@rsa.com} \and RSA Laboratories \\ 100 Marine Parkway \\ Redwood City, CA 94065} \date{April 23, 1993} \maketitle A message-digest algorithm maps a message of arbitrary length to a ``digest'' of fixed length, and has three properties: Computing the digest is easy, finding a message with a given digest---``inversion''---is hard, and finding two messages with the same digest---``collision''---is also hard. Message-digest algorithms have many applications, including digital signatures and message authentication. RSA Data Security's MD5 message-digest algorithm, developed by Ron Rivest \cite{rfc-md5}, maps a message to a 128-bit message digest. Computing the digest of a one-megabyte message takes as little as a second. While no message-digest algorithm can yet be {\em proved} secure, MD5 is believed to be at least as good as any other that maps to a 128-bit digest. Inversion should take about $2^{128}$ operations, and collision should take about $2^{64}$ operations. No one has found a faster approach to inversion or collision. Recent work by den Boer and Bosselaers \cite{den-boer-md5} presents a special kind of ``pseudocollision'' in MD5's internal compression function, which maps a 512-bit message block $x$ and a 128-bit input state $s$ to a 128-bit output state. They show how to find a message block $x$ and two related input states $s_1$ and $s_2$ that yield the same output state: $f(x,s_1)$ = $f(x,s_2)$. Their well-thought approach exploits structural properties of the collision function to find a pseudocollision in about $2^{16}$ operations, much less than one would expect. Practical implications of this pseudocollision work to the security of MD5 are not evident. While a real collision in MD5 implies a pseudocollision (or a ``pseudo-inversion''), a pseudocollision need not imply a real collision. Indeed, a real collision, since it involves two different messages, would almost always involve {\em different} message blocks $x_1$ and $x_2$ such that $f(x_1,s_1) = f(x_2,s_2)$, but the pseudocollisions have the same message blocks. Moreover, the input states $s_1$ and $s_2$ would generally be unrelated, but the pseudocollisions' input states are the same except for four bits. There does not seem to be any way to extend den Boer and Bosselaers' approach to anything beyond the special pseudocollisions, a limitation they readily admit. It is reasonable, therefore, to believe that MD5 remains secure. While den Boer and Bosselaers have found interesting structural properties in MD5, the properties seem only to lead to special pseudocollisions and not anything approaching real collisions. Further research, of course, will give a better understanding of the strengths of MD5 and other message-digest algorithms, with the eventual hope that such algorithms can, in some sense, be proved secure. \bibliographystyle{plain} \begin{thebibliography}{1} \bibitem{den-boer-md5} Bert den~Boer and Antoon Bosselaers. \newblock Collisions for the compression function of {MD5}. \newblock In {\it Advances in Cryptology --- Eurocrypt '93}, 1993. \newblock Preprint. \bibitem{rfc-md5} R.L. Rivest. \newblock {\it {RFC} 1321: The {MD5 Message-Digest Algorithm}}. \newblock Internet Activities Board, April 1992. \end{thebibliography}",sci.crypt 933," foot in mouth again, drew. the first generation mr 2's were 1.6's which were very smooth. i'd be real surprised if the original poster was talking about a 1st generation car. the second generation cars were 2.2 for the non turbo and 2.0 for the turbo. i drove the non turbo 2.2 and calling it unpleasant is to be kind to it.. wrong and wrong. mitsubishi owns the patent, which has since expired which is why everybody with a shred of integrity is putting balance shafts into their big 4's.. the notable exception is nissan.. and only for the us market suckers. i guess we need to write to C&D and start telling them to publish graphs for engine vibration over rpm. then you'll see usenet discussions of the form: engine A has peak vibrations 3 dB less than engine B, therefore engine A is better than engine B. 1/2 :-) ",rec.autos 934,"******* LOWERED PRICES ******* I have the following IBM hardware forsale ATI VgaWonderXl24 - This is a great card, it supports 1024x768 256 colors, 800x600 32k colors, and 640x480 16 million colors. I found that it also speed up windows considerably. I'm asking $90 o.b.o. for this card. I also have 2 2400 internal baud modems. I have Docs for both but I don't have the original boxes. Both work fine and I'd like to get $20 each or $35 for both . BackUPS 400 - Backup power supply that allows CPU and Monitor to continue to operate up to 30 minutes in event of power failure. Asking $50.",misc.forsale 935,"Hockey-tipset, V}ren 1993: ========================== *#*#*#*#* Vinnare av Hockey-tipset 1993... Per Bengtson!!! Grattis! *#*#*#*#* Slutst{llning: 1. Per Bengtson 15 2. Lars Andersson 13 3. Anders Engwall 11 4. Staffan Axelsson 10 Patrik ]sander 10 6. Hannu L A Hietanen 9 Ingvar Khan 9 8. noran@cs.tut.fi 8 Jan Stein 8 Roger Wennstr|m 8 11.Lars Thore Aarhus 7 Fredrik Nissen 7 Marek Repinski 7 Lars Wiklund 7 15.Lennart Hedenstr|m 6 Vinnare och lycklig {gare av en FBK-mugg {r allts} Per Bengtson, kometen som ledde hockeytipset 92 vid halvtid men som sedan fick ge vika f|r Anders Engwall i slutspurten. De tre f|rsta lyckades pricka in den viktiga fr}ga 1.4 SM-guld till Bryn{s. Kanske var det v{l sv}rt att tippa slutspelet ocks} men man ser att om den j{mna finalen mellan Lule} och Bryn{s ist{llet hade slutat till Lule}s f|rdel, s} hade det varit samma vinnare i alla fall. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- H{r f|ljer de korrekta svaren. Siffran inom parentes anger hur m}nga som hade tippat detta. * anger Per Bengtsons vinnande rad. 1. Elitserien 1.1 Tippa den slutgiltiga tabellen. 1. V{ster}s (7) 2. Bryn{s (2) * 3. Malm| (4) 4. F{rjestad (5) 5. MoDo (6) 6. Lule} (6) * 7. Leksand (2) * 8. Djurg}rden (2) * - - - - - - - - - - 9. HV 71 (11) * 10. R|gle (12) * 1.2 Vilka 4 av de 8 kvartsfinalisterna g}r vidare till semifinal? Djurg}rden (4) Lule} (9) Bryn{s (6) * Malm| (13) * 1.3 Vilka 2 lag m|ts i final? Lule} (5) Bryn{s (4) * 1.4 Vilka blir Svenska M{stare 92/93? (3p) Bryn{s (4) * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Allsvenskan 1. V{stra Fr|lunda (11) * 2. Huddinge (3) * - - - - - - - - - - - 3. Bj|rkl|ven (5) 4. AIK (5) * - - - - - - - - - - - 9. Team G{vle (1) 10. Boden (0) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------",rec.sport.hockey 936," This one is easy, they 'tape' the conversation, call the FBI or Secret Service. You see ""activities against the Satan Clinton"" could be construed as a threat against the President of the United States. I am sure they(NSA,FBI,SS,...,...) have enough judges in their collective pockets to have a warrent before the call is over..... ",sci.crypt 937," Yes, Mary is fully human. However, that does not imply that she was just as subject to sin as we are. Catholic doctrine says that man's nature is good (Gen 1:31), but is damaged by Original Sin (Rom 5:12-16). In that case, being undamaged by Original Sin, Mary is more fully human than any of the rest of us. You ask why God cannot ""repeat the miracle"" of Mary's preservation from Original Sin. A better way to phrase it would be ""why _did_ He not"" do it that way, but you misunderstand how Mary's salvation was obtained. Like ours, the Blessed Virgin Mary's salvation was obtained through the merits of the Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross. However, as God is not bound by time, which is His creation, God is free to apply His Sacrifice to anyone at any time, even if that person lived before Christ came to Earth, from our time-bound perspective. Therefore, Christ's Death and Resurrection still served a necessary purpose, and were necessary even for Mary's salvation.",soc.religion.christian 938,"In , dated 29 Apr 93 15:43:10 GMT, I'll agree with your wife. While I was a student, I had doctors remove rather surprising amounts of wax from my ears by flushing them out a couple times, usually because they were examining my ears for some other reason, and said something like ""Gee, you've got a lot of wax in there"". In my case, removal of these large wax buildups did noticeably improve my hearing, and I've since gotten in the same habit as your wife of flushing them out with warm water from a little rubber bulb every few months. You can buy little bulbs together with ear drops for this express purpose from the drug store - I don't notice that the drops accomplish much of anything.",sci.med 939," Attention please! According to the rules of usenet flame wars, once a discussion degenerates to the point where Hitler is mentioned, that flame war may be declared ended. I would like to take this opportunity to do that now. Clearly further discussion is not useful with the current set of facts, and the current name calling and invocation of Hitler's name is not productive even by the standards of usenet talk groups. If you must continue, please don't discuss this in misc.legal. It's not about the law. If you would like to discuss the law as it applies to the Waco incident, please ask questions of the form: ""if the FBI started the fire accidentally, who would be legally responsible for the deaths"". Note that followups are set not to include misc.legal. ",talk.politics.guns 940," Is your stomach all right? Unable to digest your lunch? Cool down... In the context of Bosnia muslims are a nation. And nobody talked about them being a race. And Yugoslavia was a recognized nation. If you apply the principle of self determination to Yugoslavia then you should apply it to Croatia and Bosnia. Of course, you might want to apply again to Kossovo.",talk.politics.mideast 941,"I have a mac plus with 2.5MB RAM. I have just bought an extra 2MB so that I can have the max 4MB RAM that a plus supports. However, I can't get it to boot after I install the 2 extra SIMMs. Instead I get a sad mac (Sorry, but I can't remember the code). Looking at the motherboard, I can see that 2 resistors have been snipped off where it says ""256Kb path - 1 row"". I assume that was done when the first 1MB SIMMs were added. So, my question is: Are there any other resistors that need snipping? or, Do I have bum SIMMs which need to be exchanged? Any and all advice will be appreciated.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 942,"Hi, Could some please tell me the errors of my ways. I am trying to update a drawable. This drawable happens to be a Pixmap on a button. The problem is that after I do the : XClearArea(XtDisplay(m_usr[0]),XtWindow(m_usr[0]), 80, 8, 40, 40, True); This appears to work. I then do sprintf(tmp_str,""R=%d"",++fun); XDrawString(XtDisplay(m_usr[0]), bmaps[0] ,my_gc, 78, 10, tmp_str, (strlen(tmp_str)) ); The problem is that the new info is drawn but the old info is still there. Even if I pass XClearArea a False and see it clear when it redraws the new info, the old info is still there. Help Please!!! Thanks -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Randy Paries rtparies@turq.b8.ingr.com x6191 cr041 Intergraph, Huntsville Alabama",comp.windows.x 943,"So if Potvin can pound on Dino, what happens when Dino pounds on him? If Dino gets his legs slashed, can he slash Potvin in return? This year at a UM-LSSU hockey game, a UM player was called for a slash when he hit the goalie's glove with his stick. Is that slashing, while hitting someone's ankles isn't? How do the refs know what to call? Do the goalies get more liberties than other players? ",rec.sport.hockey 944,"# # Q: When an Israeli pilot is bombing school children in Lebanon gets # shot down, and crashes head-first, what's the last thing that # goes into his mind (head)? # # A: His butt hole. Now this HAS to count as one of the most original and constructive contributions yet on tpm. All in all, well worth the $$$$ it took to send it to thousands of computers all over the world.",talk.politics.mideast 945,"Josip, please, don't be offended at this question: Who are the ""Muslims"" in the Bosnian context? i know that a moslem/muslim is a believer in Islam. Islam is a religion and it is practised in many parts of the world. But it is not , yes definitely not, an ethinic group. ok! so, these Bosnian Muslims, who are they? to which ethnic group do they belong? what language(s) do they speak? do they have a different language from that of the Serbs or Croats? the way the western press use the word 'muslim' in this Bosnian debacle has kept me wondering when the meaning of muslim/moslem i knew from childhood was changed in the dictionary. this is just a question. no flames intended!",talk.politics.mideast 946,"OFM Comments: No disagreement at all that there is a VERY serious struggle going on. But Jesus more typically uses consequences as a threat. That's quite different from Hell Classic (TM). :-) Jesus doesn't sound like the usual hell-fire type of preacher. He attracts people through what he does. And the stongest example in Jesus preaching is in the parable of Lazarus and Dives, which is a parable! In any case, my point is that a fear-based response to Christ is not a freeing, life-affirming choice and isn't Good News in a meaningful sense. There are plenty of good reasons to follow Jesus that have nothing to do with fear or a literal hell, that still pertain to overcoming in the present struggle between God and the Disloyal Opposition. A faith based in fear is not built on Rock, as we should found our faith, but on ice. If the fear were removed, there would BE no foundation. That's basically why it matters to me. I think we have many Christians that DON'T have a solid basis for relating to the living Incarnate God. I cannot be fully open to the working of God in and through my life if my response to God is motivated on fear. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ",soc.religion.christian 947,"I'm trying to get in touch with Mitsumi - anyone have their number? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- --- Frank Pikelner /~\ \ \ \ Technical Assistant, Department of Computer Science \- \-- York University (Toronto, Canada) ,\^/; \ \ Internet: frank@cs.yorku.ca _{!}_",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 948," ^^^^^^^^^^^ Exquise me!? Since when does mankind consider twice to be equal?? ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 949," good point. the ""list"" actually started out as an extension of my GS v. FJ shootout list, which is why it got that name. since inception, however, other boxer-interested folks have joined and the conversation has not always been ""geared"" to gs/pd/st-specific topics. when i raised the ""to expand or not to expand/that is the question"" question on the list itself, there were mixed feelings. the list has always been open to anyone with a non-bouncing ""from:"" line and there has been general agreement that only boxer-related stuff is appropriate. almost all of the subscribers own R80/R100 GS/ST/PD bikes, although some R, RT and RS owners are also on it. at this point, my main interest for the list is to preserve the peace and comraderie while at the same time providing as wide access as possible. the list is fairly technical, with ""how do i do this?"", ""what kind of that should i get?"" kinds of questions. there has yet to be any non-BMW bashing, K bike bashing, or ""any bmw mfg'd after 1962 is a piece of shit"" bashing. such posts are, by consent of the governed, proscribed. if the simple name change would make a significant difference to the net.boxer.owners, then i am not going to stand in the way of progress. so, hesh, let me turn the question around: have you (or has anyone else) not joined the list because you felt your boxer was excluded? -- -- bob pasker -- rbp@netcom.com",rec.motorcycles 950," First, I don't expect them to love me if they don't even know I exist. Secondly, I wouldn't expect them to love me simply because they were my creator. I would expect to have to earn that love. Are you daft? How do I love something I don't believe exists? Come back when you've learned to love your third testicle. At which point you have stepped over the line and become a complete asshole. Even though it's your first offense, I won't let it slip becuase I've heard it too goddamned many times. You love Jesus because deep in your heart you're a cannibalistic necrophiliac. Because I say so, and I'm much more qualified to assess your motivations than you are. Fortunately, there are some things I get to accept on evidence rather than faith. One of them being that until christians like yourself quit being so fucking arrogant, there will never be peace. You've all made sure of that. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea.",alt.atheism 951,"Speaking of educational systems, I recently had a colleague tell me that the reason one of our fifth grade students is so physically developed is because she was sexually abused as a younger child. This, she went on to say, kicks the pituitary gland into action and causes puberty. ",sci.med 952,"Wow! It's sad to see that the University of Virginia has begun to produce such a virulent breed of Jew-haters and self-hating Jews! ",talk.politics.mideast 953," Wow, what did you use it for? Single-tasked word processing? I have 8 files loaded right now and a 29-MB virtual machine (12MB of RAM). My friend down the street gripes that he can't even format a floppy in the background. Many unix people love OS/2 because they are used to multi-tasking systems. Too bad they hold a gun to the mouse piper while they throw mice at their ""new"" trap, trying to get it to work. :) ---------------------------------------------",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 954,"Here's an interesting table showing how much resources an application uses and how much it gives back on shut down. This is take from Windows User May 1993 issue: Application Min. Resource Use Resource Not Returned GDI USER GDI USER WinSleuth Gold v3.03 10 6 2 14 Word For Windows v2.0b 10 0 5 0 Lotus 123 v1.1 13 3 3 2 Arts and Leters v3.12 7 7 3 1 PowerPoint v3.0 9 1 3 0 Corel Draw v3.0 10 6 3 0 Micro. Designer v3.1 10 2 2 0 CrossTalk v2.0 0 0 0 0 Excel v4.0a 11 8 0 0 HiJacck v1.0 2 2 0 0 Image-In Color Pro 3 2 0 0 PIcture Publisher v3.1 21 8 0 0 PowerLeads!- Executive Ed. v1.03 0 5 0 0 Adobe Type Manager v2.5 1 0 NA NA Skylight v2.0 1 0 0 0 *The numbers are in percentage and are in a decreasing order. What does this table tells you, if you frequently start and exit a program that doesn't give back all of it's resources, then you continually lose these resouces. Therefore, only open these programs up once and leave them open. BTW: Maybe people can add to this list so we know what application to watch out for.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 955,"That more or less says it. I flicked the Penguins game on briefly and saw Ulf cross-check Valeri in the face. I am wondering if Don Cherry is going to go off on this at all in coach's corner. billc",rec.sport.hockey 956," Just to throw it out there: The mass of the telescope is 11,600 kg (25,500 lb). I do not know what Space lab weighs, but I believe it is less. Can anyone verify?? Also, remember that weight was not the only concern, as many others have noted, just one possible concern. I was responding to a statement that if you can boost it, why can't you land it. Those are too different problems. ROB -- =========================================================================== =========================================================================== Disclaimer-type-thingie>>>>> These opinions are mine! Unless of course they fall under the standard intellectual property guidelines. But with my intellect, I doubt it. Besides, if it was useful intellectual property, do you think I would type it in here?",sci.space 957,,None 958,"Need info on Circumcision, medical cons and pros I'm very surprised that medical schools still push routine circumcision of newborn males on the population. Since your friend is not a man, she can't imagine what it's like to have a penis, much less a foreskin. I guess if American medicine did an artistic job of circumcising every male, then the visual result would be somewhat more natural in appearance...",sci.med 959,"I was wondering what the country extension are. Sometimes I just don't have a clue from where some people are writing. These are the extensions I know of ch Switzerland se Sweden fi Finland uk UK Com US? Edu US? (are both com and edu US?) fr France Please feel free to add to this list. / Markus __________________________________________________________________________ _ _ _ ____ _________ / | / | / | / / / / / / / / | / | /__| /___/ /--| / / /___ '75 Chevy Camaro 350/TH350 / |/ | / | / | / | /___/ ____/ '87 Peugout 205 1.4/4-speed",rec.autos 960,"} } >I watched the final inning of Bosio's no-hitter with several people at } >work. After Vizquel made that barehanded grab of the chopper up the } >middle, someone remarked that if he had fielded it with his glove, he } >wouldn't have had time to throw Riles out. Yet, the throw beat Riles } >by about two steps. I wonder how many others who watched the final out } >think Vizquel had no choice but to make the play with his bare hand. } } In this morning's paper (or was it on the radio?), Vizquel was quoted as } saying that he could have fielded the ball with his glove and still } easily thrown out Riles, that he barehanded it instead so as to make the } final play more memorable. Seems a litle cocky to me, but he made it } work so he's entitled. i guess so. still, that's kind of a stupid move, IMO. he'd be singing a different tune if he had booted it, and the next guy up had hit a bloop single. stranger things have happened (hey, i used to be a big Dave Stieb fan...) and unfortunately, there's no such thing as an ""unearned hit"". :^) cheers,",rec.sport.baseball 961,"For Sale (still) - AUDIO SOURCE Model EQ Eleven 10-band Stereo Octave Equalizer With Specturm Analyzer Display Digital Readout, 10Left/10Right controls over the spectrum. Great to boost all kinds of music signals. FM Broadcasts, Tapes, CDs... Makes even the weakest recording sound great. Purchased 1 year ago $189. Asking $75.00. Includes original packaging, manuals, cables and warranty card.",misc.forsale 962,"The following comics are for auction. The highest bid takes them! New stuff added!! (Cyberrad, Marvel Presents, Spiderman Special, etc..) TITLE Minimum/Current -------------------------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel) $ 5.00 Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988) $20.00/KrisM./SOLD Amazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin) $20.00 Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin) $50.00 Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton) $ 7.50 Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor) $ 3.50 Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster) $ 5.00/SamE/TWICE CyberRad 1 (Reintro CyberRad, Prestige silver edition) $15.00 Daredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins) $35.00 Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing) $ 7.50 Detective 657 (Azrael appears, Intro Cypher) $ 5.00 Detective 658 (Azrael appears) $ 4.00 Harbinger 10 (1st appearance H.A.R.D. Corps) $ 7.00/B.Matthey/SOLD H.A.R.D. Corps 1 $ 5.00 Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1 1962) $ 7.00 Incredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue) $15.00 Incredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins) $11.00 Incredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk) $15.00 Incredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00 Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer) $ 7.50 Marvel Presents (Charleston Chew giveaway, Sam Keith) $ 5.00 Maxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover) $33.50/BrentB/SOLD Mr T. #1 (Signed Advance copy, 10,000 exist) $10.00 New Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo) $10.00 New Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force) $ 5.00 New Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants) $10.00 Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo) $ 7.50 Omega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story) $ 7.50 Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth) $20.00 Power Man & Iron Fist 84 (4th appearance Sabretooth) $15.00 Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.) $ 7.50 Spectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin) $12.50 Spider-Man Special (UNICEF giveaway, vs Venom) $10.00 Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini) $ 7.50 Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics) $ 7.50 Trianglehead #1 (Special limited edition, autographed) $ 5.00 Web of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear) $10.00 Web of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears) $ 7.50 Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth) $15.00 Wolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad) $ 5.00 Wolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad) $ 3.50 Wolverine 43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes) $ 3.00 Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art) $20.00 Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man) $12.50 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card) $20.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card) $10.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon) $10.00 All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards. Shipping is $1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order a large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle. I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what you've been looking for, and maybe I can help. Some titles I have posted here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.",misc.forsale 963," Open up one of the airbag control boxes. They have inexpensive piezoelectric accelerometers in them. I know that the GM cars use the Setra units. The cheapest way to get such an accelerometer is to cannibalize an existing automotive unit.",sci.electronics 964," I think you are, small, feeble minded, bunghole. Yeah, it was one stupid little act. When are people like you gonna get it through they're thick excuses for a skull to their pea-sized piece of shit they call a brain that it _was_ _once_? why don't you go back under the rock that the navy has provided for you and your homophobic racist sexist asshole ""friends"" that who give you daily rim jobs and place your opinion where it belongs, UP YOUR ASS!? Or, alternatively, blow me, you closeted wannabe. ",rec.motorcycles 965," I found the personal attacks on Prof. Denning pretty disgusting. I don't agree with all her positions; but I think scholars can disagree without the argument getting into the gutter. If these personal attacks are what stopped Prof. Denning from replying on issues of substance, they have cause real harm to the serious debate here.",sci.crypt 966," For the information of those not ""lucky"" enough to live in the city of Austin, TX, if an auto a/c system is checked and found to have leaks, it must be repaired at that time, or evacuated. This is an ordinance unique (I think) to the city of Austin. Freon is subject to increasing taxes, but $12 is about 2X cost here. Recovered freon is not required to be ""purchased"" from the car it is withdrawn from. As a matter of practice, some shops here are charging a recycling fee that is less than the cost of the freon removed if it is reintroduced to the system. Just another quality service from an _Enviornmentally Conscious_ city. ",rec.autos 967," Obviously, we have different sources. Bill Moyers (who happens to be a theist, to tie this to alt.atheism!) in his PBS documentary ""After The War"" is my main source. (I think I still have it on videotape.) Others include The Nation and The Progressive. The rest of the article is mere rationalisation. You may claim that sanitation plants are strategic ""legitimate"" targets, but what happens to the civilians in a city with no sewer system? What happens to the civilians when you destroy water purification plants? And when hospitals can't handle the resultant epidemics, because there is no more electricity? And what exactly are your sources? We have all, I'm sure, seen Postol's interviews in the media where he demostrates how the Pentagon lied about the Patriot's effectiveness; what is your source for the 70% effectiveness you claim? In any case, I don't know if this is relevant to alt.atheism. How about if we move it somewhere else? -s",alt.atheism 968," ICS - Integrated Computer Solutions Incorporated 201 Broadway Cambridge, MA 02139 Vox: (617) 621-0060 Fax: (617) 621-9555 Email: info@ics.com Circle 9 on Reader Service Card ",comp.windows.x 969," It has been a while since I knew the electronics of ham radio, but I seem to remember that PeP is actually 4x the ""real"" power. Which makes 1KW PeP actually around 250W. Or was it 2x? I disremember. ""Effective transmitted power"" is also ""odd"", in that it takes into account antenna height and geometry. Which is why a TV station with a 50KW Klystron might advertise a megawatt (if their antenna is on the top of the CN tower ;-). This is like Sears HP ;-) Though, 1500 real watts still isn't impossible. About 125-150A with a 12V alternator, less if the alternator produces higher voltages. It's only three horsepower (taking into account inefficiencies). You'll feel it when you hit the key. But not too much.",sci.electronics 970,"Can anyone out there tell me why they call left-handed pitchers ""Southpaw""? Also the story on how the term originated. Thanks!! Go Cubs! ",rec.sport.baseball 971,"Grr. Hate the bastard who picked the weather for today. Went up to visit a friend overnight (about 45 minute ride).. rode up after work, only minor drizzing for the last 5 minutes of the ride... rest of the ride was very zen. Got up this morning, needed to go home and get some disks & stuff to work on her computers with, rainy as all hell. Soaked and cold by the time I got home. Since I didn't have another set of thermals which were dry, I said ""to heck with it"" and drove my cage back up. Lo and Behold, those funny blue clouds were up in the sky and this warm yellow thing I haven't seen in quite awhile showed up when I was 10 minutes into the trip. And me in my cage. Oh JOY. Happily, my right hand mirror finally showed up at the dealer (dropped the bike when I first got it, put on an EMGO replacement mirror... hated it the entire time that thing was on my bike because I couldn't see a DAMNED thing through it, plus it's flat instead of convex like the stock mirrors, so you get a NARROW ANGLE wobbly blur)... And I got a replacement windshield for my fairing (dropped the original and chipped the front edge... cosmetic but annoying)... so I spent half an hour happily unscrewing things and replacing them this afternoon. 'Bout the only thing I still hate about the bike ('75 CB360T) is the damned ""2 D-Cell Flashlight"" headlight.",rec.motorcycles 972," Tis' only a gleam in my eye at this point. I have yet to chose a tracking method. The initial requirement was to design a system to locate a dancer in one of eight zones across the stage. I did some experiments with pyroelectric detectors and found them difficult to align to get a definite zone transition. And dancers stand still alot, so their IR signature goes away. The good thing about pryoelectrics is that their signal is proportional to the size of the warm body (or body part), and the velocity of said body. This could be useful for detecting the intensity of a dance gesture. Dancers also really hate to wear little boxes and batteries strapped on their bodies, but they really need to be emitting some kind of signal to be tracked.",sci.electronics 973," The ""R Us"" thing is trademarked. I don't know if Charles Lazarus is dead or alive, but I'd be careful, because with a name like Lazarus, he might rise again just to start a lawsuit. Dean Kaflowitz",alt.atheism 974," Murry, Why don't you just shell out a couple more dollars and get a floptical. They can read high density disks (1.4 MB) as well as flopticals (21 MB). The price of flopticals right now range from $300's - $400's.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 975,"From article <1993Apr21.190251.14371@sequent.com>, by troy@sequent.com (Troy Wecker): . . . . . . It sounds like your analysis is based on hypothesis and not actually using the Valentine-1. I'd like to give some feedback based on real life experince. I keep the Valentine-1 in advanced logic mode and it rarely lights up as a Christmas tree. The only time it does is when I am in the middle of a major shopping area and then it makes sense that is does since there are >= 8 sources coming from many different directions. I have found the Valentine-1 to be consistent in its reporting of bogeys regardless of any moving cars in the area. I have found the directional indication to be very useful. In one case there was two radar traps set up within one mile of each other. As I passed the first radar trap, the direction indication changed. Then the detector was set off again pointing in the forward direction. With other radar detectors I would have assumed that this was due to a reflection. But with the Valentine-1 I knew there was a high probability that there was another trap. And there was! On other occasions, the directional helped discern a false alarm from a true alarm. For example, as I pass a source, the direction indicator changes. The directional also allows me to focus my attention as to where the signal might be coming from instead of having to look all over the place. When a car is approaching me from the rear with a detector that leaks, I can tell that the signal is coming from the rear and as the car passes me I can verify the source. With other detectors, I would have been unable to do this and would have had to assume that there was a radar trap when there was none. I've had the Valentine-1 for several months now and find its added features to be useful and not gimmicks. -Barry",rec.autos 976,": : Hey, : : I'm about to purchase a DAT drive. Does anyone know which mail order vendors : offer DAT drives with HP's mechanism? What other mechanism is available out : there? Good, bad points? We bought one from Relax technologies. BIG mistake. The drive had some jumpers set incorrectly so it didn't work at first, and the software they shipped with it was incompatable with the drive (it was the new compression model), and worst of all, when I opened the drive up to fiddle with the jumpers, I found the inside of the case COVERED WITH METAL FILINGS!!! Sorry to shout. Apparently when they drilled the mounting holes in the case they forgot to clean it before putting the drive in. This was a HP drive, by the way, and is now working fine (knock on wood), no thanks to Relax technologies. Hey, your mileage may vary, but let me suggest that you NOT buy from Relax Technologies, even though their prices are usually about the lowest. --Dave ============================================================================== Dave Schwarze (schwarze@delphi.nosc.mil or NeXT mail schwarze@isenext2.saic.com)",comp.sys.mac.hardware 977,"I have a pair of AKG 340s in nearly new condition for sale. They have been used in my studio for mixdown monitoring. I have the original box. The 340s use both an electret element and a dynamic element in each ear cup with built-in crossovers. They have a very smooth frequency response and the electrostatic element gives clearer highs. I am asking $200 for the pair. Brett Maraldo - Plexus Prodcutions ",misc.forsale 978,"Has anyone ported RIPEM to the Amiga yet or is anyone working on it? Emailed responses are fine. ",sci.crypt 979,"Dear Netters: Could you mail the source code of the book: ""Advanced X window application programming"" by Johnson and Reichard TO ME? If you need any source code, just ask me. Thank you very much! Sincerely, Zeng, Qiyong.",comp.windows.x 980,"Well, the question of why fire equipment took so long to reach the compound has been answered. ABC aired a report including the 911 tapes from Monday. The FBI called 911 within 4 minutes of the fire's breakout. Unfortunately, dispatch of vehicles outside the Waco city limits required approval of a deputy chief, who was not available (literally out to lunch?); the 911 operator desperately called around to local community volunteer fire departments to get something out there. By the time trucks arrived 27 minutes later, the whole complex was aflame and it was clearly too little, too late; there were just two pumpers and no water supply. The FBI made another call requesting a tank truck, but the Waco department apparently depended on hydrants and did not have one. Though clearly unwilling to risk firemen's lives in the line of fire, it seems they might have done so had there been sufficient equipment and water to make a difference. They even aired a tape of a woman who called Waco 911 from Georgia asking if anything was being done. Civic-minded, but probably irresponsible; if everyone watching television did that, no local calls could get through. ABC also aired the comments of an independent fire investigator who viewed tapes from more than one side of the compound (not just the standard ""pool shot""), and agreed that the fire a) must have been started in at least 3 places, and b) must have had an accelerant to spread so fast. Neither of these is conclusive proof that the Koresh crowd offed themselves more than the FBI offed them, but it's a heck of a lot stronger proof than some of the ""theories"" floating around the net. Score 2 FBI, 0 Branch Davidians. Or is that -89 Branch Davidians? ",talk.politics.guns 981," 1) Well, Mr Koresh allowed other children and adults to leave the compound during the course of the siege; why didnt these children leave then? I dont know myself, and certainly havent heard any answers on this here. 2) Yes, one simple non-action, ie NOT attacking the compound with modified tanks, would have prevented this tragedy. I bet you blamed the MOVE people for the deaths that occurred in adjacent row houses in Philadelphia, not the government which dropped the firebomb, right? ",talk.religion.misc 982,"BR> From: wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) BR> Newsgroups: alt.atheism BR> Organization: DGSID, Atlanta, GA BR> The problem is that most scientists exclude the BR> possibility of the supernatural in the question of BR> origins. Is this is a fair premise? I utterly BR> reject the hypothesis that science is the highest form of BR> truth. It is better than the crap that the creationists put out. So far all they have been able to manage is distortions and half-truths. (When they are not taking quotes out of context...) BR> Some of these so-called human-like creatures were BR> apes. Some were humans. Some were fancifully BR> reconstructed from fragments. The genetic code has shown more about how man is realted to primates that the fossil record. (A little detail the creationists try and ignore.) BR> Good deeds do not justify a person in God's BR> sight. An atonement (Jesus) is needed to atone BR> for sin. Who says? Your Bible(tm)? I would be surprised if *ANY* Christian followed all of the rules in the Bible. (Most of them just pick and choose, according to the local biases.) BR> My point: God is the creator. Look's like we agree. Where is your proof? How do you know it was *YOUR* God? BR> I'll send you some info via e-mail. BR> Regards, Bill. Why not post them? I would be interested in seeing them myself.",alt.atheism 983,"Someone asked about the rosters for the college hockey senior all-star shrine game held in Orono, Maine earlier this month: WEST Derek Plante MINN-DULUTH (west MVP of the game) Greg Johnson N DAKOTA Bryan Smolinski MICH ST Fred Knipscheer ST CLOUD STATE Chris Campbell WISCONSIN-SUPERIOR Glenn Lang UW-SUPERIOR Chris Bergeron MIAMI Joe Cook MIAMI Jamie Erb BEMIDIJI Brett Harkins BOWLING GREEN David Roberts MICHIGAN Todd Trettier UW-STEVENS POINT John Young MICH TECH Brett Hauer MINN-DULUTH Pat Neaton MICHIGAN Barry Richter WISCONSIN Mike Smith LSSU Chris Valicevic ST MARY'S Shaun Gravistin AK-ANCHORAGE (goalie) Tom Newman MINNESOTA "" Bryan Schoen DENVER "" Ron Mason MICH ST (coach) Steve Nelson UW-SUPERIOR "" Jim Knapp MINN-DULUTH "" EAST Jack Duffy YALE Chris Foy N'EASTERN Scott Meehan MASS-LOWELL Aaron Miller VERMONT Kevin O'SUllivan BU Chris Potter CONNECTICUT Ray Alcindor MIDDLEBURY Greg Carvel ST LAWRENCE Bob Cowan PROVIDENCE Steve Dubinksy CLARKSON Dan Gravelle MERRIMACK Ryan Hughes CORNELL Mark Kauffman YALE Matt Mallgrave HARVARD Chris McGee BABSON Scott McNair RIT Jim Montgomery MAINE David Sacco BU Chris Rogles CLARKSON (goalie) (East's MVP of the game) Garth Snow MAINE "" Grant Wood HAMILTON "" Brian Durocher BROWN (coach) Shawn Walsh MAINE "" Bruce Marshalll CONNECTICUT "" These are the original rosters. There may have been a few changes for the actual game (guys not being able to participate or whatever).",rec.sport.hockey 984," My wifes uncle was a 30+ level mason. He let me look at some of the books (which after his death his ""brothers"" came over and took from his greiving widow before his body had even cooled). Don't tell me you don't worship Osiris. You must not be past your 20th level. You should read Wilkinson's Egyptians and how he shows this Egyptian religion paralleling his own British Masonry. There is a man here at this laboratory who is a 33 degree black mason. I've talked with him, though much he likes to hide (""mystery""). Special handshakes and all. When he first started trying to ""evangelize"" me, he told me all kinds on special this, and special that. Here is truely a ""mystery"" religion. THere is the public side with motorcyle mania and childrens hospitals and then there is the priviate side that only the highest degree mason every learns of. I haven't read it, but the literature that is offered by the silver haired apologist (can't remember his name) on TV, didn't exactly come to this same conclusion. ""Khons, the son of the great goddess-mother, seems to have been gernaerally represented as a full-grown god. The Babylonian divinity was also represented very frequently in Egupt in the very same wayas in the land of his nativity -i.e. as a child in his mother's arems. THis was the way in which Osiris, 'the son, the husband of his mother,' was often exhibited, and what we learn of this god, equally as in the case of Khonso, shows that in his original he was none other than Nimrod. It is admitted that the secret system of Free Masonry was originally founded on the Mysteries of the Egyptian Isis, the goddess-mother, or wife of Osiris. But what could have led to the union of a Masonic body with these Mysteries, had they not had particular reference to architecture, and had the god who was worshipped in them not been celebrated for his success in perfecting the arts of fortification and building? Now, if such were the case, considering the relation in which, as we have already seen, Egypt stood to Babylon, who would naturally be liiked up to there as the great patron of the Masonic art? The strong presumption is, that Nimrod must have been the man. He was the first that gained faim in this way. As the child of the Babylonian goddess-mother, he was worshipped in the character of Ala mahozim, 'The God of Fortification.' Osiris, the child of the Egyptian Modonna, was equally celebrated as 'the strong chief of the buildings.' THis strong chief of the buildings was origninally worshipped in Egypt with every physicall characteristic of Nimrod. I have already noticed the fact that Nimrod, as the son of Cush, was a negro. Now, there was a tradition in Egypt, recorded by Plutarch, that 'Osiris was black'......."" Hislop It was like a cold slap to my face, when my wifes uncle brought out his cerimonial dress and it was leopard skin. I mean real leopard skin. He told me that only the highest of degrees wore the leopard skin. (The reason that he started telling me all this was that he had just been given a couple of months to live and my wife had led him to a saving faith in Christ and he immediately repented from 'mysteries' of the lodge!) Nimr-rod from Nimr, a ""leopard,"" and rada or rad ""To subdue."" It is a universal principle in all idolatries, that the high priest wears the insignia of the god he serves. Any representation of Osiris usually show the wearing of some leopard. It is interesting that the Druids of Britian also show, or should I say hide, this representation. They, however, worshipped the ""spotted cow"". I'll stand by my statements. Masonry is of the ""mystery"" religions that all find their source in Babylon, the great harlot. Sorry Peter, I do not mean to be a ""cold slap to the face"" but there is to much evidence to the contrary that Masonry doesn't find its origins in Egypt. Of the Masons I have personally talked to, all refered to Egypt as their origin. Why are you now separating yourself from this which not many years ago, was freely admitted?",soc.religion.christian 985,"...hm, I've found the DTK customer support BBS - anyone know if Magitronic run one too? (Hands up all those that have possibly useful cards made by either manufacturer and no docs or drivers! ) Please Email me directly if you happen to have a number. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 986," why does this remind me of bosnia and ethnic cleansing ?????? tippu ",talk.politics.mideast 987," The remainder of my article deleted stated why. One would be an egotist to believe that someone CARED about what Bill R. thought he needed to say about God. Whether they did or not is irrelevant.",talk.religion.misc 988,"We are having problems with a bunch of SE/30's in one of our Labs. The fault is that the machines either bomb or freeze when attempting to write to their internal floppies. The internal floppies have been tested on their own and are fine, which means that it is a main board fault. The machines all come from the same batch. The date code on the back of the machines is December 1990. 1. Do you own a machine from this batch. 2. Has any user had experience with this fault. 3. Was it a warranty repair. Any feedback would be appreciated and I will post the results to the net. Bill",comp.sys.mac.hardware 989," When an alleged private revelation attracts sufficient attention, the Church may investigate it. If the investigation indicates a likelihood that the alleged private revelation is in fact from God, it will be approved. That means that it can be preached in the Church. However, it is still true that no one is required to believe that it came from God. A Catholic is free to deny the authenticity of even the most well attested and strongly approved private revelations, such as those at Fatima and Lourdes. (I suspect that few if any Catholics do reject Fatima and Lourdes, but if any do their rejection of them does not mean they are not orthodox Catholics in good standing.) It may be a bit much to say that a Catholic is free to deny what happened at Fatima. That's a bit strong, it is sort of like saying that a Catholic is free to deny that Hong Kong exists. What a Catholic *is* free to do is to deny the truth of Fatima, without being called a heretic. You can be labeled other things for such an offense, but not a heretic. Theologians make a basic distinction as far as the degree of assent one must give to events like Fatima and Lourdes. Things revealed by God through Jesus Christ or His Apostles must be given the assent due to a revelation of God: total and unswerving. Fatima and Lourdes demand our assent as much as any other well-attested event in human history. Perhaps a bit more, given the approval of the Church. ""Approval"" of an apparition by the Church principally means that whatever happened was in harmony with the Catholic Faith. I personally think of private revelations as our Lord's way of telling us what to do at particular periods in history. He gave us all the doctrines, etc., 2000 years ago, but we can always use some help in knowing how exactly to apply what He gave us. Catholic devotion to the Sacred Heart was a result of a series of apparitions to St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, for example. The problem at the time was extreme moral rigorism that was turning our Lord into someone without a heart.",soc.religion.christian 990," Well the monitor is consistently the largest power drain on your electric bill when you are looking at your computer set-up, especially if you have a large (16"" or greater) color monitor. Generally what I do is leave my Mac on all the time, except for the occasional resart or syetem crash, but I turn my monitor off each night before I leave my office. I also turn off After Dark when I do this, since there is no reason to have the screen saver running when there is no picture being displyed on the monitor's tube. Really? What makes you think this? The Q700 file server in my office has been on for the last 2 months, straight, and it hasn't had any problems. (Note: I also keep the monitor for the file server turned off when I'm not actually working on the server itself.)",comp.sys.mac.hardware 991,"Nice little, really compact, cream colored, 1200 external modem. Good for the mac or ibm. I will throw in a cable for an extra $5 or so. If you are interested email me an offer.",misc.forsale 992,"I'm looking for a way to get our company logo onto documents and figure the easiest way is to put it into a font. Are there any public domain programs that can do this? Is there any shareware that will do this? Any help is appreciated. Paul",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 993," > Between Adam and Eve and Golgotha the whole process of the fall > of man occurred. This involved a gradual dimming of > consciousness of the spiritual world. This is discernable in > the world outlooks of different peoples through history. The > Greek, for example, could say, ""better a beggar in the land of > the living than a king in the land of the dead."" (Iliad, I > think). I would not swear that nothing of the sort is found in the Iliad, but the first passage I thought of was the Odyssey 11:480 or thereabouts (my copy has no line numbers). The ghost of Acchilles speaks (Robert FitzGerald translation): > Better, I say, to break sod as a farm hand > for some poor country man, on iron rations, > than lord it over all the exhausted dead. The next passage I thought of was from Ecclesiastes 9:4 + A living dog is better than a dead lion. > On the other hand, there is one notion firmly embedded in > Christianity that originated most definitely in a pagan source. > The idea that the human being consists essentially of soul > only, and that the soul is created at birth, was consciously > adopted from Aristotle, whose ideas dominated Christian thought > for fifteen hundred years and still does today.... Surely Aristotle had little influence on Christian thought before about 1250 AD.",soc.religion.christian 994,"Archive-name: atheism/resources Alt-atheism-archive-name: resources Last-modified: 5 April 1993 Version: 1.1 Atheist Resources Addresses of Atheist Organizations USA FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION Darwin fish bumper stickers and assorted other atheist paraphernalia are available from the Freedom From Religion Foundation in the US. Write to: FFRF, P.O. Box 750, Madison, WI 53701. Telephone: (608) 256-8900 EVOLUTION DESIGNS Evolution Designs sell the ""Darwin fish"". It's a fish symbol, like the ones Christians stick on their cars, but with feet and the word ""Darwin"" written inside. The deluxe moulded 3D plastic fish is $4.95 postpaid in the US. Write to: Evolution Designs, 7119 Laurel Canyon #4, North Hollywood, CA 91605. People in the San Francisco Bay area can get Darwin Fish from Lynn Gold -- try mailing . For net people who go to Lynn directly, the price is $4.95 per fish. SET FREE Atheist stickers, T-shirts and books. Write to: Set Free, P.O. Box 3065-192, Garden Grove, CA 92642. AMERICAN ATHEIST PRESS AAP publish various atheist books -- critiques of the Bible, lists of Biblical contradictions, and so on. One such book is: ""The Bible Handbook"" by W.P. Ball and G.W. Foote. American Atheist Press. 372 pp. ISBN 0-910309-26-4, 2nd edition, 1986. Bible contradictions, absurdities, atrocities, immoralities... contains Ball, Foote: ""The Bible Contradicts Itself"", AAP. Based on the King James version of the Bible. Write to: American Atheist Press, P.O. Box 140195, Austin, TX 78714-0195. or: 7215 Cameron Road, Austin, TX 78752-2973. Telephone: (512) 458-1244 Fax: (512) 467-9525 PROMETHEUS BOOKS Sell books including Haught's ""Holy Horrors"" (see below). Write to: 700 East Amherst Street, Buffalo, New York 14215. Telephone: (716) 837-2475. An alternate address (which may be newer or older) is: Prometheus Books, 59 Glenn Drive, Buffalo, NY 14228-2197. AFRICAN-AMERICANS FOR HUMANISM An organization promoting black secular humanism and uncovering the history of black freethought. They publish a quarterly newsletter, AAH EXAMINER. Write to: Norm R. Allen, Jr., African Americans for Humanism, P.O. Box 664, Buffalo, NY 14226. United Kingdom Rationalist Press Association National Secular Society 88 Islington High Street 702 Holloway Road London N1 8EW London N19 3NL 071 226 7251 071 272 1266 British Humanist Association South Place Ethical Society 14 Lamb's Conduit Passage Conway Hall London WC1R 4RH Red Lion Square 071 430 0908 London WC1R 4RL fax 071 430 1271 071 831 7723 The National Secular Society publish ""The Freethinker"", a monthly magazine founded in 1881. Germany IBKA e.V. Internationaler Bund der Konfessionslosen und Atheisten Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany. IBKA publish a journal: MIZ. (Materialien und Informationen zur Zeit. Politisches Journal der Konfessionslosesn und Atheisten. Hrsg. IBKA e.V.) MIZ-Vertrieb, Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany. For atheist books, write to: IBDK, Internationaler B""ucherdienst der Konfessionslosen Postfach 3005, D-3000 Hannover 1. Germany. Telephone: 0511/211216 Books -- Fiction THOMAS M. DISCH ""The Santa Claus Compromise"" Short story. The ultimate proof that Santa exists. All characters and events are fictitious. Any similarity to living or dead gods -- uh, well... WALTER M. MILLER, JR ""A Canticle for Leibowitz"" One gem in this post atomic doomsday novel is the monks who spent their lives copying blueprints from ""Saint Leibowitz"", filling the sheets of paper with ink and leaving white lines and letters. EDGAR PANGBORN ""Davy"" Post atomic doomsday novel set in clerical states. The church, for example, forbids that anyone ""produce, describe or use any substance containing... atoms"". PHILIP K. DICK Philip K. Dick Dick wrote many philosophical and thought-provoking short stories and novels. His stories are bizarre at times, but very approachable. He wrote mainly SF, but he wrote about people, truth and religion rather than technology. Although he often believed that he had met some sort of God, he remained sceptical. Amongst his novels, the following are of some relevance: ""Galactic Pot-Healer"" A fallible alien deity summons a group of Earth craftsmen and women to a remote planet to raise a giant cathedral from beneath the oceans. When the deity begins to demand faith from the earthers, pot-healer Joe Fernwright is unable to comply. A polished, ironic and amusing novel. ""A Maze of Death"" Noteworthy for its description of a technology-based religion. ""VALIS"" The schizophrenic hero searches for the hidden mysteries of Gnostic Christianity after reality is fired into his brain by a pink laser beam of unknown but possibly divine origin. He is accompanied by his dogmatic and dismissively atheist friend and assorted other odd characters. ""The Divine Invasion"" God invades Earth by making a young woman pregnant as she returns from another star system. Unfortunately she is terminally ill, and must be assisted by a dead man whose brain is wired to 24-hour easy listening music. MARGARET ATWOOD ""The Handmaid's Tale"" A story based on the premise that the US Congress is mysteriously assassinated, and fundamentalists quickly take charge of the nation to set it ""right"" again. The book is the diary of a woman's life as she tries to live under the new Christian theocracy. Women's right to own property is revoked, and their bank accounts are closed; sinful luxuries are outlawed, and the radio is only used for readings from the Bible. Crimes are punished retroactively: doctors who performed legal abortions in the ""old world"" are hunted down and hanged. Atwood's writing style is difficult to get used to at first, but the tale grows more and more chilling as it goes on. VARIOUS AUTHORS ""The Bible"" This somewhat dull and rambling work has often been criticized. However, it is probably worth reading, if only so that you'll know what all the fuss is about. It exists in many different versions, so make sure you get the one true version. Books -- Non-fiction PETER DE ROSA ""Vicars of Christ"", Bantam Press, 1988 Although de Rosa seems to be Christian or even Catholic this is a very enlighting history of papal immoralities, adulteries, fallacies etc. (German translation: ""Gottes erste Diener. Die dunkle Seite des Papsttums"", Droemer-Knaur, 1989) MICHAEL MARTIN ""Atheism: A Philosophical Justification"", Temple University Press, Philadelphia, USA. A detailed and scholarly justification of atheism. Contains an outstanding appendix defining terminology and usage in this (necessarily) tendentious area. Argues both for ""negative atheism"" (i.e. the ""non-belief in the existence of god(s)"") and also for ""positive atheism"" (""the belief in the non-existence of god(s)""). Includes great refutations of the most challenging arguments for god; particular attention is paid to refuting contempory theists such as Platinga and Swinburne. 541 pages. ISBN 0-87722-642-3 (hardcover; paperback also available) ""The Case Against Christianity"", Temple University Press A comprehensive critique of Christianity, in which he considers the best contemporary defences of Christianity and (ultimately) demonstrates that they are unsupportable and/or incoherent. 273 pages. ISBN 0-87722-767-5 JAMES TURNER ""Without God, Without Creed"", The Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, MD, USA Subtitled ""The Origins of Unbelief in America"". Examines the way in which unbelief (whether agnostic or atheistic) became a mainstream alternative world-view. Focusses on the period 1770-1900, and while considering France and Britain the emphasis is on American, and particularly New England developments. ""Neither a religious history of secularization or atheism, Without God, Without Creed is, rather, the intellectual history of the fate of a single idea, the belief that God exists."" 316 pages. ISBN (hardcover) 0-8018-2494-X (paper) 0-8018-3407-4 GEORGE SELDES (Editor) ""The great thoughts"", Ballantine Books, New York, USA A ""dictionary of quotations"" of a different kind, concentrating on statements and writings which, explicitly or implicitly, present the person's philosophy and world-view. Includes obscure (and often suppressed) opinions from many people. For some popular observations, traces the way in which various people expressed and twisted the idea over the centuries. Quite a number of the quotations are derived from Cardiff's ""What Great Men Think of Religion"" and Noyes' ""Views of Religion"". 490 pages. ISBN (paper) 0-345-29887-X. RICHARD SWINBURNE ""The Existence of God (Revised Edition)"", Clarendon Paperbacks, Oxford This book is the second volume in a trilogy that began with ""The Coherence of Theism"" (1977) and was concluded with ""Faith and Reason"" (1981). In this work, Swinburne attempts to construct a series of inductive arguments for the existence of God. His arguments, which are somewhat tendentious and rely upon the imputation of late 20th century western Christian values and aesthetics to a God which is supposedly as simple as can be conceived, were decisively rejected in Mackie's ""The Miracle of Theism"". In the revised edition of ""The Existence of God"", Swinburne includes an Appendix in which he makes a somewhat incoherent attempt to rebut Mackie. J. L. MACKIE ""The Miracle of Theism"", Oxford This (posthumous) volume contains a comprehensive review of the principal arguments for and against the existence of God. It ranges from the classical philosophical positions of Descartes, Anselm, Berkeley, Hume et al, through the moral arguments of Newman, Kant and Sidgwick, to the recent restatements of the classical theses by Plantinga and Swinburne. It also addresses those positions which push the concept of God beyond the realm of the rational, such as those of Kierkegaard, Kung and Philips, as well as ""replacements for God"" such as Lelie's axiarchism. The book is a delight to read - less formalistic and better written than Martin's works, and refreshingly direct when compared with the hand-waving of Swinburne. JAMES A. HAUGHT ""Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness"", Prometheus Books Looks at religious persecution from ancient times to the present day -- and not only by Christians. Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 89-64079. 1990. NORM R. ALLEN, JR. ""African American Humanism: an Anthology"" See the listing for African Americans for Humanism above. GORDON STEIN ""An Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism"", Prometheus Books An anthology covering a wide range of subjects, including 'The Devil, Evil and Morality' and 'The History of Freethought'. Comprehensive bibliography. EDMUND D. COHEN ""The Mind of The Bible-Believer"", Prometheus Books A study of why people become Christian fundamentalists, and what effect it has on them. GEORGE H. SMITH ""Atheism: The Case Against God"", Prometheus Books Describes the positions of atheism, theism and agnosticism. Reviews many of the arguments used in favour of the existence of God. Concludes with an assessment of the impact of God on people's lives. Net Resources There's a small mail-based archive server at mantis.co.uk which carries archives of old alt.atheism.moderated articles and assorted other files. For more information, send mail to archive-server@mantis.co.uk saying help send atheism/index and it will mail back a reply. ",alt.atheism 995,"[...] So, in short, the 3/8"" cables seems to be pretty useless, I would guess. The larger cable seems to be a much better unit. I've got the larger cable - about 5/8"" inch in diameter (actually, I think its larger), about 4 feet long which coils into a 8 or 9 inch coil, with the tubular key lock like the U-locks. It has worked fine for me for two years now, and *seems* (to me, anyway) that it is very secure. It doesn't have the weaknesses that the U-locks have other than the liquid nitrogen trick supposedly, is much easier to store in my tankbag than a U-lock, and more versatile. I got mine from one of the mail-order houses (Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, I beleive), for $42. In combination with an ignition disable, and a couple of other deterrents, all I *usually* worry about is vandalism. Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy DoD #0013",rec.motorcycles 996," When kids stayed in the home until kindergarden or 1st grade, infection incidence was much lower because exposure was lower. Some studies suggest that early exposure to various infectious diseases is probably beneficial because exposure as an adult carries much more risk of morbitity and mortality(mumps, measles. etc.). Daycare will always carry a higher exposure risk than home care. Exposure to infectious organisms does build immunity. But many viruses mutate and reexposure to the new strain requires another immune response( new antibody production). In addition, antibody levels tend to decline with time and re-innoculation is needed to keep the antibody levels high. Chronic overstimulation of the immune response can lead to immunosupression but this is rare and very unlikely to occur in children. Yes, chronic use of antibiotics can have an adverse effect on the good bacteria that are supposed to be present in and on the body. Health effects of this depletion of the good bacteria is a very hotly debated topic in the medical community with most physicians seeming to discount any health effects of chronic antibiotic use( a view that I do not support). Chronic infection in an adult or a child needs to be worked up( in my opinion). But most physicians feel that chronic infection in a child is normal because of both exposure and lack of prior immunity to many infectious diseases. I do not share this view and there are some physicians who also suspect that diet plays a big role in infection frequency and severity. Exposure to an infectious agent does not have to result in a severe infection. A strong immune response can minimize the length of time needed to deal with the infection as well as the symptoms associated with the infection. There are five major nutrients that are responsible for a good strong immune response to infectious agents. They are: protein, vitamin C, vitamin A, iron and zinc. The American diet is not low in protein so this is rarely a problem. But vitamin A, vitamin C, iron and zinc are often low and this lack of an adequate pool(nutrient reserve) can impair the immune response. Iron is know to be low in most kids(as is vitamin A). There are distinct biochemical tests that can be run to check the status of each of these nutrients in a patient who is having a problem with chronic severe infection. Serum ferritin for iron status, dark adaptation for vitamin A status, red blood cell zinc for zinc status and leckocyte ascorbate for vitamin C status. I have attempted to work up posts on these five nutrients and their role in infection for this news group as well as the others that I participate in. I can e-mail you what I've worked up so far. But my best advice to you is to try to find a physician who recognizes the critical role that diet plays in the human immune response. You may also be able to get help from a nutritionist. Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist so you have to be very carefull. You want to find someone( like myself) who has had some formal training and education in nutrition. Many Ph.D. programs in the U.S. now offer degrees in Nutrition and that's what you need to look for. Some dieticians will also call themselves nutritionists but most dieticians have not had the biochemical training needed to run specialized nutritional assessment tests. They are very good for getting general dietary advice from however. ",sci.med 997," Attendance in 1992 was down. By .3%. From an all-time record in 1991. In people terms, attendance was down by 310,000 from 1991 to 1992. Two franchises, the Dodgers and Mets, were down by 1,100,000 from 1991 to 1992. Had either of them not been entirely awful, MLB would have set another attendance record in 1992. Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com",rec.sport.baseball 998," Even if Rodney King had come out of that car waving a gun and they managed to disarm him, the police still had no right right to beat him senseless the way they did once he was on the ground. If they can't handle their jobs, they should be relieved of them. Additionally, Anna Quindlan of the New York Times said it best (paraphrase): Many people bring up what happened before what is shown on the tape. Here's what came before: the 80's, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, racism,...",talk.politics.misc 999," V16 anyone? Anyone heard of a Cizata V16T ??? Its mainly sold in the middle east where they dont have as strict a legislation as in the USA and EC.... ",rec.autos 1000," Well, they just said that Franco will probably go on the DL tomorrow. (They mentioned a career minor leaguer as the ""warm body"" who would go along...I forget.) Also, when answering questions about the rotation, Coleman (SD broadcaster) said that Hurst is gone in about a month-month and a half, which is when he should finish re-hab. Later Dennis",rec.sport.baseball 1001," Of course not. There's more than a little difference between formulating foreign policy and overseeing the ATF's handling of a scenario involving a group of religious fanatics. Why do people compare apples and oranges?",talk.politics.guns 1002,"pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes to Clayton Cramer: The saddest thing is that most people, like Cramer's wife, learn dislike for homosexuality early in childhood.",None 1003,"Is there a comp.graphics FAQ and if so, where? ",None 1004,please subscrive me.,None 1005,"SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!! JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!! * Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith. * The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide. * General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth edition. Big Book! Very good condition! * Solutions manual for Chemistry book. Paperback. * Study guide for Chemistry book. Paperback. Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu ",misc.forsale 1006,": WOULD WIRETAP CHIP BE COST-EFFECTIVE? : SUMMARY: Compared to an average monthly phone bill of sixty dollars, : wiretaps are only worth two cents a month to police. So the : proposed wiretap chip must raise phone costs by less than one part : in three thousand to be cost-effective. Robin's calculation is interesting and important, even if it's off by an order of magnitude (for example). Even if hardware costs for the Clipper Chip phones were ZERO, the protocol overhead in transmitting the escrow field would be much higher than the 1 part in 3 thousand...it depends on the exact details of the phone call length, protocol, etc. (shorter calls get a proportionately greater hit). However, I suspect most Americans will not find this line of reasoning as persuasive as the analogies about escrowing keys to one's house are. -Tim May ",sci.crypt 1007," On these counts, the apocrapha falls short of the glory of God. To quote Unger's Bible Dictionary on the Apocrapha: 1. They abound in historical and geographical inaccuracies and anachronisms. 2. They teach doctrines which are false and foster practices which are at variance with sacred Scripture. 3. They resort to literary types and display an artificiality of subject matter and styling out of keeping with sacred Scripture. 4. They lack the distinctive elements which give genuine Scripture their divine character, such as prophetic power and poetic and religious feeling. First, to point out the obvious: While #4 would clearly be a highly subjective issue, one would be hard pressed to point to another book of the OT (or for that matter the NT) that doesn't, on some issues, in some way, fail one or more of the first three of these tests. Second, one factor the Deuterocanonicals share is the lateness of their composition. I don't recall the exact dating of all of the books, but most --if not all-- were written after the latest of the canonical books (i.e. Daniel). Furthermore, while the Deuterocanonical may or may not have been originally written in Greek, they are clearly deeply _Hellenistic_ in nature. Both of these features probably figured heavily in the rejection of these books from the various canons. These may not be strict and uniformly applicable criteria by which to judge the canonicity of these books, but, as these discussions have shown, I think the one thing we can see is that there _are_ no purely objective standards for determining canonicity.",soc.religion.christian 1008,": I have a question about SVGA cards. I have a Tseng 4000 SVGA with 1MB : memory and 3x 6-bit DACs as far as I know. To display a 640x480x32768, : Now: Can I display 640x480, 15bit/pixel bit-maps on this card? You can. At the least, your _hardware_ is capable of supporting this mode. I do know nothing about your video BIOS, though... : If so, how? Silly (but fool-proof ;) way: Install Windows with 640x480x32K colors wideo driver and display your pictures under windows... Cheese,",comp.graphics 1009,"NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR 4/21/93. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS BEST OF SEVEN PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE NJ BUF (leads 2-0) STL (leads 2-0) WIN PIT (leads 2-0) BOS CHI VAN (leads 2-0) NYI (tied 1-1) MON TOR LA (tied 1-1) WAS QUE (leads 2-0) DET (leads 2-0) CAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Toronto Maple Leafs 0 1 1 - 2 Detroit Red Wings (leads series 2-0) 1 3 2 - 6 1st period: DET, Lidstrom 1 - (Yzerman, Coffey) (pp) 4:06 2nd period: DET, Fedorov 1 - (sh) 0:43 DET, Yzerman 2 - (Coffey, Chiasson) (pp) 8:06 DET, Yzerman 3 - (Coffey, Sheppard) 17:40 TOR, Mironov 1 - (Gill, Gilmour) 19:10 3rd period: TOR, Gilmour 2 - (Anderson) 4:32 DET, Ysebaert 1 - (Kozlov) 5:51 DET, Drake 1 - (Kozlov, Kennedy) 18:33 Powerplay Opportunities-Maple Leafs 1 of 8 Red Wings 2 of 7 Shots on Goal- Maple Leafs 10 7 13 - 30 Red Wings 16 11 3 - 30 Toronto Maple Leafs--Potvin (0-2) (30 shots - 24 saves) Detroit Red Wings--Cheveldae (2-0) (30 shots - 28 saves) ATT-19,875 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- St. Louis Blues (leads series 2-0) 2 0 0 - 2 Chicago BlackHawks 0 0 0 - 0 1st period: STL, Hull 2 - (Brown, Janney) (pp) 7:38 STL, Lowry 1 - (sh) 13:53 2nd period: NONE 3rd period: NONE Powerplay Opportunities-Blues 1 of 5 BlackHawks 0 of 6 Shots on Goal- Blues 9 3 5 - 17 BlackHawks 16 19 12 - 47 St. Louis Blues--Joseph (2-0) (47 shots - 45 saves) Chicago BlackHawks--Belfour (0-2) (17 shots - 15 saves) ATT-17,339 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Los Angeles Kings (series tied 1-1) 1 0 3 - 4 Calgary Flames 0 5 4 - 9 1st period: LAK, Carson 3 - 1:11 2nd period: CAL, Otto 1 - (Roberts, MacInnis) 5:02 CAL, Yawney 2 - (Dahlquist, Ranheim) 8:02 CAL, Reichel 1 - (Fleury) (pp) 10:52 CAL, Nieuwendyk 1 - (Roberts, Musil) 13:47 CAL, Otto 2 - (Dahl) (sh) 19:37 3rd period: LAK, Carson 4 - (Granato, Shuchuk) 5:34 CAL, Reichel 2 - (Fleury, MacInnis) (pp) 7:23 CAL, Paslawski 1 - (Roberts, Nieuwendyk) 8:14 CAL, Fleury 1 - (MacInnis, Nieuwendyk) (pp) 10:37 LAK, Rychel 1 - (Blake) 11:56 LAK, Kurri 1 - (Gretzky, Zhitnik) (pp) 15:22 CAL, Suter 2 - (Skrudland, Berube) 19:15 Powerplay Opportunities-Kings 1 of 7 Flames 3 of 6 SHots on Goal- Kings 14 8 9 - 31 Flames 9 16 15 - 40 Los Angeles Kings--Hrudey (1-1) (40 shots - 31 saves) Calgary Flames--Vernon (1-1) (31 shots - 27 saves) ATT-19,477 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Winnipeg Jets 0 1 1 - 2 Vancouver Canucks (leads series 2-0) 1 1 1 - 3 1st period: VAN, Ronning 2 - (Courtnall, Linden) 11:37 2nd period: VAN, Courtnall 1 - 6:05 WIN, Domi 1 - (King, Barnes) 6:48 3rd period: WIN, Numminen 1 - (Housley, Selanne) (pp) 0:30 VAN, Bure 1 - (Adams, Craven) 4:01 Powerplay Opportunities-Jets 1 of 4 Canucks 0 of 3 Shots on Goal- Jets 6 10 6 - 22 Canucks 14 9 9 - 32 Winnipeg Jets--Essensa (0-2) (32 shots - 29 saves) Vancouver Canucks--McLean (2-0) (22 shots - 20 saves) ATT-15,729 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",rec.sport.hockey 1010,"Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc Subject: On-line copy of Book of Mormon Summary: Distribution: usa Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300 Keywords: BOM, Book of Mormon, Mormon Can anyone provide me a ftp site where I can obtain a online version of the Book of Mormon. Please email the internet address if possible.",talk.religion.misc 1011," It's a moot point: Step out of your door go _anywhere_ (except possibly your mailbox). You will be ""subject to some ad agency's 'poor taste'"" While I'm sure Sagan considers it sacrilegious, that wouldn't be because of his doubtfull credibility as an astronomer. Modern, ground-based, visible light astronomy (what these proposed orbiting billboards would upset) is already a dying field: The opacity and distortions caused by the atmosphere itself have driven most of the field to use radio, far infrared or space-based telescopes. In any case, a bright point of light passing through the field doesn't ruin observations. If that were the case, the thousands of existing satellites would have already done so (satelliets might not seem so bright to the eyes, but as far as astronomy is concerned, they are extremely bright.)",sci.space 1012,"In response to alleged circular reasoning concerning the morality of homosexuality, clh poses the following challenge: I answer, The circle is simple to break. The Church teaches that homosexual behavior is immoral. This teaching is raw, impassionate, unassailable dogma. That closes the argument for me. -- Randal Lee Nicholas Mandock Catechist gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu ",soc.religion.christian 1013,"cica.indiana.edu pc/drivers the current version is 2.0 ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1014," When I say ""black,"" I mean US-born black people for the purposes of this discussion. Hispanic players were in baseball before 1947, and one team in the 50's signed lots of hispanics because they went over better with the local audience than blacks did. Don't know. But remember: this is the country that had special racial laws for one group and one group only: blacks. Our national history includes huge, long-term, global tensions regarding the black minority; the hispanic minority, while often discriminated against, has never been the object of national obsession. Absolutely. As I said before, I expect that this effect is disappearing. But it certainly did exist, and all out talk of TWG's and all that is not without some small reason. Well, there's the list. Go for it! I'll cull some more names as I go. I expect you're right, btw.",rec.sport.baseball 1015,"... That is if Mario makes it. Pat Walker sounds like the type that would bring an AK-47 to a game and take pot shots at Mario. (""stand STILL...dam sunavbich...HMFF"") ",rec.sport.hockey 1016,"But wouldn't that go for any sin. My father told me when he was growing up Catholics were not allowed to associate with anyone who was divorced. There are a few verses prohibitting divorce. Somehow, divorce became acceptable (even in Catholicism anullments). Certainly it is no longer a sin to associate with a divorced person. The point is that each person has their own temptations to deal with. Paul repeatedly talks about the ""thorn"" in his side, some think it refers to lust, others pride, but who knows. Whatever the thorn was, apparently it was not ""compatible"" with Christianity, yet does that make his epistles any less? The Bible warns us against judging, greed, anxiety, impure thoughts, bearing grudges, etc., etc. I suppose we should seek out all the so-called Christians who have entertained impure thoughts and oust them. All those who have given in to greed, get 'em outta here. Jesus pointed out that he was the physician for the sinners. Any attempts to make homosexuals feel unwelcome because of our discomfort with homosexuality is incompatible with Christianity. Is our hatred so deep that rather than see someone try to become closer to Jesus, we need to keep them away. Does Jesus need us to screen out those guilty of a particular sin. Do we really mistrust Jesus when he says he can forgive any sin? Think about it. Among the people Jesus encountered were sinners and the Pharisees. The sinners he embraced and forgave. The Pharisees, hypocritcal, unmerciful, self-righteous, pointed out others sins and did not seek and thus did not gain forgiveness of their own sins. What I take from this and other verses is that if we do not admit our sins, those sins will not be forgiven. And since those guilty of even one sin are guilty of the whole law, those not repenting the judging of others are guilty, as guilty as if they committed the same sin they judged others of. The poor in spirit, meek, humble, merciful, pure of heart, peacemakers, those who thirst for justice, those who suffer for His sake are blessed.",soc.religion.christian 1017," Well... all the way through a decreasing-radius corner, anyway... OK (but I'm right!) :^) If that's the ""official line"" taught in those rider education classes you were refering to, that also don't teach countersteering, I have to question the quality of the classes. The ""official line"" in MSF curricula is as I described. Maximum braking is achieved by applying both brakes equally, when the weight distribution is nominally even and both tires have equal normal forces, and easing off on the rear to prevent locking it, and increasing braking on the front, as more traction is available to the front due to increased normal force due to weight shift. The ""official line"" you have been taught seems ineffective on the face of it. Applying the rear brake after the front is not taking advantage of all the traction available to the rear at time 0, and is halving the available braking power by using only the front at time 0. Not necessarily true. ""Chirping"" the tire indicates impending lockup (on most surfaces), and serves as a good guide to newbies to indicate maximum braking. I agree that totally locking the front occasionally makes one a better rider, but it is a manuver best saved for an experienced rider, unless you have one of those outrigger bikes like Code used to use. True, but from the point of view of how to best *teach* riding skills (which is how this discussion started), ""keep both wheels just on the point of sliding"" is nearly useless information. You need to teach a *technique*, or at least a strategy, to achieve this. ",rec.motorcycles 1018,"I knew, despite the lack of a full game telecast last week, it was still too much hockey for Atlanta. Atlanta's ABC has declined to pick up any playoff games till May9. And even when they show the games on MAy9 and May16, they will continue to skip the first half hour of the telecast. I know this is still a better situation compared to rest of Georgia, Alabama, etc., but it is still pretty annoying. At least in PIttsburgh, we had a network preemptionchannel which showed all netwoork shows prempted by the local affiliate. I asked them what their problem was. I told them that a local 1.9 rating was not that bad considering it was the first NHL game shown after a long time without much promotion. Besides, their syndicated programming in the afternoon is usually low rated. So what did they have to lose by showing NHL playoffs. She told me that they had contractual obligations. I asked her if golf was shown oin ABC, would contractual obligations come in the way. And how come contractual obligations didn't come in the way of last week's telecast? She then couldn't give me a coherent answer. Also, I added that Atlanta had one of the highest neutral site game attendances and that the demographics were good. I think ABC and other networks should begin to tie their high rated programs like Roseanne in with thier sports programming. I hope that everyone in Atlanta who reads this bboard calls WSB 2 and complain bitterlyt about this. Tell them you will stop watching their news telecasts since they seem to be very unprofessional in handling this situation.",rec.sport.hockey 1019,"Hello, I am considering buying the Hummingbird X-Windows software for a MS-Windows 3.1 PC (386-40MHZ, NE2000 Ethernet board). Would anyone tell me if they are using this package in a similar environment and if they are happy with it? I will be connecting to Sun SparcStation 10 running Sun OS 4.1.3. Thanks very much,",comp.windows.x 1020," Brian Kendig also declares: ""Christ"" is Greek for ""Messiah"". ""Messiah"" means ""Annointed One"". ""Annoint"" means ""to rub with oil, i.e. to anoint; by impl. to consecrate"" The major prophet Daniel uses the word ""Messiah"" in Daniel chapter 9.",talk.religion.misc 1021,"STK1203@VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU Pontificated: One of the sci.space FAQ postings deal with this. It's archived somewhere. Perhaps someone can post where it is (I don' remember). ",sci.space 1022," What tube does the Viewsonic 17 use? Does is support 1600x1280? I've been looking a a Philips 1762DT which uses a Sony Trinitron tube, has digital controls, supports up to 1280x1024NI, and has .25mm dot pitch - It can be found for under $1000. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1023,"Hello I recently accelerated my Mac Plus (MicroMac 25MHz accelerator) and now I can't get my Mac to boot off of the hard disk. It boots fine from a floppy, and I can mount the hard disk using SCSI probe, but I cannot get it to boot from the hard drive. I installed a new driver, so I don't think that is the problem. This poses a rather large problem. I only have 4 Meg of RAM, and I need to run Mathematica, which requires 5 Meg. I was hoping to use system 7 virtual memory so that I could run Mathematica. However, I can't run system 7 from a floppy, so I can't get enough RAM. Any suggestions? Thanks for your time-- Chrisw@yang.earlham.edu ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1024,"Here's a summary of Don Cherry's Coach's Corner from April 21, 1993. The game being broadcast in my region was LA and Calgary, although I think it was filmed during the Toronto-Detroit game that night. (Warning... Anti-fighting people may want to skip this post.) Topics ------ Don's Tie, Grant Fuhr, Penalties, Wings vs Leafs, Fighting, Dale Hunter. Episode Summary --------------- This episode began with the camera zoomed in on Don's tie. Don was pointing out the characters on the tie... Bugs Bunny, Foghorn Leghorn, and Yosemite Sam (who Don called Lanny Macdonald.) Ron Maclean began by mentioning that Don was almost evicted from a hotel where he was watching the previous night's games, because of all the yelling and cheering he was doing over the play of Hunter and Fuhr. Don began to praise Fuhr, calling him the ""greatest goalie"", and said that he's winning the series against Boston all by himself. He then showed clips from earlier episodes (Nov. 14, Jan. 16) when Fuhr was still with the Leafs, and Don advised ""Don't Trade Fuhr!"" Don went on to predict that if Buffalo gets by Boston, it would be Fuhr who wins the series. Muckler took a lot of heat for the trade, but Don feels Muckler's been vindicated. The next topic involved how playoff games are being ruined by too many penalty calls. He showed a clip from a Winnipeg-Vancouver game, where Domi hit a Vancouver player, and was given a 2 min. penalty. Ron said that it was called a penalty because his stick was involved, but Don stuck with the opinion that it was a good hit, with Domi hitting the Vancouver player with his shoulder. Don: ""Its sad what they're doing for hockey... a 5 minute penalty for a nosebleed."" Next, they went to the playoff series between Detroit and Toronto. People in Detroit were calling Wendel Clarke ""Wendy"" for not fighting. However, Don pointed out that Probert was not fighting either. This lead Don into a tirad about fighting and stickwork, and how banning fighting leads to more high sticking: ""It's like college hockey... The little wee guy with the visor is brave as anybody. That's why you're seeing so much stickwork. Because they know you won't drop your gloves and give them a shot. The rules are made by people who don't know what's going on in hockey"". The final topic Don discussed was Dale Hunter. Don pointed out that he was leading the league in goals, and showed a clip of Hunter from a previous game. When he was younger, Hunter was taught to ""play to win"", which differs from today's idea of just letting kids have fun. At then end of the episode, they showed a clip from a coach's corner, with the tape on fast forward, so that Don sounded like one of the chipmunks. Rating ------ Typical anti-fighting posturing, not too much humour, but some good quotes. I'd give it a 7.0 out of 10. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ \ |Allan Sullivan (allan@cs.ualberta.ca) \ \ |Department of Computing Science, \ \_______ |University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. \ ### \ _ |--------------------------------------------------- \___###___\ (_) |My opinions are mine and mine alone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit..."" - U. of A. Golden Bears Hockey Motto (C. Drake)",rec.sport.hockey 1025," a) Dominican b) not all that light-hitting. .304 lifetime, .315 or so in 1966-73 when he did most of his playing. c) Professional pinch-hitter after that. Yes, that also gives you Jerry Hairston. Beginning 10th year now. Good one. Not the same thing. LOTS of people are bad OFs. Not all that light either. .750 OPS. Not 10 year. 10-year this year. Not 10-year. Not 10-year. Yup. OK. 10-year this year. *Six*-year this year. Brock, Coleman, and Wilson were hot-dog basestealers (also Lonnie Smith); that seems to be a special class. CFs like Pettis and Wilson also get more of a break, especially if they actually *do* field well. And Brock wasn't all that bad a hitter either, not until the end there when he spoiled his ifetime .300 BA. And again, I suspect thatthe problem is lessening over time. But if you look at the history of the last three decades, there seems to be a clear race-based pattern by which utility players and platoon players and lesser talents stayed in the ML far longer if they were white. Light hitting? 199 HR, .793 lifetime OPS mainly with *HOUSTON*? Also Latin, btw. Come back in 1999 and we'll party^H^H^H^H^H talk.",rec.sport.baseball 1026,"--> A humble response to a letter by Gordon Lang written 04-21-93 22:09. GL> : I am interrested in the extrodinarily simple concept of the null GL> modem : cable. (Actually I have NO idea, so don't count that last GL> statement.) What I'm : asking is what pins does it use (or what are GL> it's specifications?) I just want : to solder one myself instead of GL> buying one. I don't even know what port is : used. You may want to save yourself the trouble and go to Radio Shack. They have a null modem adapter which is a 9 pin connector that swaps the necessary pins to allow two machines to communicate. These are a lot easier than soldering the connections yourself, and usually a bit more reliable. ... P.E.T.A. People for the Eating of Tasty Animals --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1027," Does anyone know of a fractal terrain generator for Mac, something I could hopefully import into a 3D program like Swivel or Stratavision? I know Infini-D has built in capabilities, but I don't have access to Infini-D. I downloaded two programs from Umich, in graphics/fractals, but both were from 1990-91 and crashed under System 7. I think they were Black and white anyway. Please, email me if you know of anything, as I don't check the newsgroups very often. Thanks in advance. Dan Bradley deb47099@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ",comp.graphics 1028,"Editorial - A10, Saturday, April 24, 1993 CRIMESTRIKE HITS TOWN With the chilling reality of crime at the hands of urban terrorists that were noted above (a high school student and gang article in the same column), we welcome into the ranks of those dedicated to re- moving criminals from the streets the National Rifle Association's new CrimeStrike project, engineered by Arizona's former chief assist- ant attorney general Steven J. Twist. CrimeStrike is working to reverse the disturbing trend of daily crime. It is promoting solutions that can be applied nationally, including tough and honest sentencing of the sort that Arizona is applying with its Truth in Sentencing law; funding construction and staffing of appropriate prison space; ensuring that the system is primed to punish serious youthful offenders; strict attention to the rights of victims; and citizen and community involvement. Phoenix will be the home for this national organization. The Gazette has vigorously opposed many NRA policies on issues of gun control, and will be resolute in promoting prudent laws that seek reasonable regulation of firearms. But CrimeStrike is an appropriate creation, a response to a clear need for more robust vigilance in holding legislators and judges ac- countable when it comes to swiftly and surely punishing criminals. When an organization has an issue, it has an issue, and Crime- Strike has it - especially when it is willing to direct its dollars to getting criminals off the street.",talk.politics.guns 1029," My fiancee' and I do quite a bit of sporty riding 2-up. I'll tell you what we've found and the systems we've worked out. - On starts, accelerate MUCH slower than usual. It's tough for the rider to judge how scary fast acceleration is, because we're holding onto something and leaning forward. Remember this. - On turns, have her lean forward and at the same angle as you (normally this means she isn't leaning at all.) It's very disconcerting to be leaned over and have your passenger leaning so that they're sitting straight up. Much balance is lost and this can be dangerous. - On slowing and stopping, do so MUCH slower than usual. Again, it's tough for the rider to judge how scary fast deceleration is, because we're holding onto something and leaning forward. However, you'll figure it out fast because braking too fast will shove the passenger forward into you, which shoves you into the tank at an inopportune location. - Generally, have the passenger keep her knees against you and the bike, not out wide. This helps balance and gives her somegrip. - When you passenger is in fear, she will squeeze her knees against you. Normally this means ""slow down, and do it now!"". We only have a couple signals. ""Slow down"" is her either tapping me on the back, or slapping my helmet with all her might. Depends on the urgency of the matter :-) ""Turn here"" is done by her pointing in the direction of an exit. This is also the sign for ""cool! Look at that."" ""I hafta pee"" is the same sign as ""turn here"". ""I'm hungry"" is the same sign. ""Go faster"" is usually done by her jumping up and down on her pegs in glee. I usually see ""slow down"" more often than ""go faster"". The best thing to do before the ride is to talk to a riding buddy, and pillion on his or her bike. It's incredibly frustrating, because you're in almost no control. Now, multiply that feeling times ten, because you as a rider know what your bike will do, and your passenger will likely feel you're about to scrape hard parts all the time, or lock up the brakes at any moment, or go careening off the edge of a volcanic mountain, etc. Pillioning yourself is good training to take somebody on your pillion pad. Also, remember that it's much more draining and tiring to ride 2-up than by yourself, because you're concentrating on much more, and ""in the Zen of the moment"" less. Remember this. ---------------------------------------------------- Pat Loughery [patlo@microsoft.com] Seattle, WA DoD #393, AMA, VME, DIOC, 1KSI=2.53 '91 VFR750F, '91 Nighthawk 750, '82 Seca 650 Turbo ^^^ For Sale",rec.motorcycles 1030,"Archive-name: jpeg-faq Last-modified: 16 May 1993 This FAQ article discusses JPEG image compression. Suggestions for additions and clarifications are welcome. New since version of 2 May 1993: * Added info on ImageViewer for NeXT. This article includes the following sections: [1] What is JPEG? [2] Why use JPEG? [3] When should I use JPEG, and when should I stick with GIF? [4] How well does JPEG compress images? [5] What are good ""quality"" settings for JPEG? [6] Where can I get JPEG software? [6A] ""canned"" software, viewers, etc. [6B] source code [7] What's all this hoopla about color quantization? [8] How does JPEG work? [9] What about lossless JPEG? [10] Why all the argument about file formats? [11] How do I recognize which file format I have, and what do I do about it? [12] What about arithmetic coding? [13] Does loss accumulate with repeated compression/decompression? [14] What are some rules of thumb for converting GIF images to JPEG? Sections 1-6 are basic info that every JPEG user needs to know; sections 7-14 are advanced info for the curious. This article is posted every 2 weeks. You can always find the latest version in the news.answers archive at rtfm.mit.edu (18.70.0.226). By FTP, fetch /pub/usenet/news.answers/jpeg-faq; or if you don't have FTP, send e-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with body ""send usenet/news.answers/jpeg-faq"". Many other FAQ articles are also stored in this archive. For more instructions on use of the archive, send e-mail to the same address with the words ""help"" and ""index"" (no quotes) on separate lines. If you don't get a reply, the server may be misreading your return address; add a line such as ""path myname@mysite"" to specify your correct e-mail address to reply to. ---------- [1] What is JPEG? JPEG (pronounced ""jay-peg"") is a standardized image compression mechanism. JPEG stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group, the original name of the committee that wrote the standard. JPEG is designed for compressing either full-color or gray-scale digital images of ""natural"", real-world scenes. It does not work so well on non-realistic images, such as cartoons or line drawings. JPEG does not handle black-and-white (1-bit-per-pixel) images, nor does it handle motion picture compression. Standards for compressing those types of images are being worked on by other committees, named JBIG and MPEG respectively. JPEG is ""lossy"", meaning that the image you get out of decompression isn't quite identical to what you originally put in. The algorithm achieves much of its compression by exploiting known limitations of the human eye, notably the fact that small color details aren't perceived as well as small details of light-and-dark. Thus, JPEG is intended for compressing images that will be looked at by humans. If you plan to machine-analyze your images, the small errors introduced by JPEG may be a problem for you, even if they are invisible to the eye. A useful property of JPEG is that the degree of lossiness can be varied by adjusting compression parameters. This means that the image maker can trade off file size against output image quality. You can make *extremely* small files if you don't mind poor quality; this is useful for indexing image archives, making thumbnail views or icons, etc. etc. Conversely, if you aren't happy with the output quality at the default compression setting, you can jack up the quality until you are satisfied, and accept lesser compression. [2] Why use JPEG? There are two good reasons: to make your image files smaller, and to store 24-bit-per-pixel color data instead of 8-bit-per-pixel data. Making image files smaller is a big win for transmitting files across networks and for archiving libraries of images. Being able to compress a 2 Mbyte full-color file down to 100 Kbytes or so makes a big difference in disk space and transmission time! (If you are comparing GIF and JPEG, the size ratio is more like four to one. More details below.) If your viewing software doesn't support JPEG directly, you'll have to convert JPEG to some other format for viewing or manipulating images. Even with a JPEG-capable viewer, it takes longer to decode and view a JPEG image than to view an image of a simpler format (GIF, for instance). Thus, using JPEG is essentially a time/space tradeoff: you give up some time in order to store or transmit an image more cheaply. It's worth noting that when network or phone transmission is involved, the time savings from transferring a shorter file can be much greater than the extra time to decompress the file. I'll let you do the arithmetic yourself. The other reason why JPEG will gradually replace GIF as a standard Usenet posting format is that JPEG can store full color information: 24 bits/pixel (16 million colors) instead of 8 or less (256 or fewer colors). If you have only 8-bit display hardware then this may not seem like much of an advantage to you. Within a couple of years, though, 8-bit GIF will look as obsolete as black-and-white MacPaint format does today. Furthermore, for reasons detailed in section 7, JPEG is far more useful than GIF for exchanging images among people with widely varying color display hardware. Hence JPEG is considerably more appropriate than GIF for use as a Usenet posting standard. [3] When should I use JPEG, and when should I stick with GIF? JPEG is *not* going to displace GIF entirely; for some types of images, GIF is superior in image quality, file size, or both. One of the first things to learn about JPEG is which kinds of images to apply it to. As a rule of thumb, JPEG is superior to GIF for storing full-color or gray-scale images of ""realistic"" scenes; that means scanned photographs and similar material. JPEG is superior even if you don't have 24-bit display hardware, and it is a LOT superior if you do. (See section 7 for details.) GIF does significantly better on images with only a few distinct colors, such as cartoons and line drawings. In particular, large areas of pixels that are all *exactly* the same color are compressed very efficiently indeed by GIF. JPEG can't squeeze these files as much as GIF does without introducing visible defects. This sort of image is best kept in GIF form. (In particular, single-color borders are quite cheap in GIF files, but they should be avoided in JPEG files.) JPEG also has a hard time with very sharp edges: a row of pure-black pixels adjacent to a row of pure-white pixels, for example. Sharp edges tend to come out blurred unless you use a very high quality setting. Again, this sort of thing is not found in scanned photographs, but it shows up fairly often in GIF files: borders, overlaid text, etc. The blurriness is particularly objectionable with text that's only a few pixels high. If you have a GIF with a lot of small-size overlaid text, don't JPEG it. Computer-drawn images (ray-traced scenes, for instance) usually fall between scanned images and cartoons in terms of complexity. The more complex and subtly rendered the image, the more likely that JPEG will do well on it. The same goes for semi-realistic artwork (fantasy drawings and such). Plain black-and-white (two level) images should never be converted to JPEG. You need at least about 16 gray levels before JPEG is useful for gray-scale images. It should also be noted that GIF is lossless for gray-scale images of up to 256 levels, while JPEG is not. If you have an existing library of GIF images, you may wonder whether you should convert them to JPEG. You will lose a little image quality if you do. (Section 7, which argues that JPEG image quality is superior to GIF, only applies if both formats start from a full-color original. If you start from a GIF, you've already irretrievably lost a great deal of information; JPEG can only make things worse.) However, the disk space savings may justify converting anyway. This is a decision you'll have to make for yourself. If you do convert a GIF library to JPEG, see section 14 for hints. Be prepared to leave some images in GIF format, since some GIFs will not convert well. [4] How well does JPEG compress images? Pretty darn well. Here are some sample file sizes for an image I have handy, a 727x525 full-color image of a ship in a harbor. The first three files are for comparison purposes; the rest were created with the free JPEG software described in section 6B. File Size in bytes Comments ship.ppm 1145040 Original file in PPM format (no compression; 24 bits or 3 bytes per pixel, plus a few bytes overhead) ship.ppm.Z 963829 PPM file passed through Unix compress compress doesn't accomplish a lot, you'll note. Other text-oriented compressors give similar results. ship.gif 240438 Converted to GIF with ppmquant -fs 256 | ppmtogif Most of the savings is the result of losing color info: GIF saves 8 bits/pixel, not 24. (See sec. 7.) ship.jpg95 155622 cjpeg -Q 95 (highest useful quality setting) This is indistinguishable from the 24-bit original, at least to my nonprofessional eyeballs. ship.jpg75 58009 cjpeg -Q 75 (default setting) You have to look mighty darn close to distinguish this from the original, even with both on-screen at once. ship.jpg50 38406 cjpeg -Q 50 This has slight defects; if you know what to look for, you could tell it's been JPEGed without seeing the original. Still as good image quality as many recent postings in Usenet pictures groups. ship.jpg25 25192 cjpeg -Q 25 JPEG's characteristic ""blockiness"" becomes apparent at this setting (djpeg -blocksmooth helps some). Still, I've seen plenty of Usenet postings that were of poorer image quality than this. ship.jpg5o 6587 cjpeg -Q 5 -optimize (-optimize cuts table overhead) Blocky, but perfectly satisfactory for preview or indexing purposes. Note that this file is TINY: the compression ratio from the original is 173:1 ! In this case JPEG can make a file that's a factor of four or five smaller than a GIF of comparable quality (the -Q 75 file is every bit as good as the GIF, better if you have a full-color display). This seems to be a typical ratio for real-world scenes. [5] What are good ""quality"" settings for JPEG? Most JPEG compressors let you pick a file size vs. image quality tradeoff by selecting a quality setting. There seems to be widespread confusion about the meaning of these settings. ""Quality 95"" does NOT mean ""keep 95% of the information"", as some have claimed. The quality scale is purely arbitrary; it's not a percentage of anything. The name of the game in using JPEG is to pick the lowest quality setting (smallest file size) that decompresses into an image indistinguishable from the original. This setting will vary from one image to another and from one observer to another, but here are some rules of thumb. The default quality setting (-Q 75) is very often the best choice. This setting is about the lowest you can go without expecting to see defects in a typical image. Try -Q 75 first; if you see defects, then go up. Except for experimental purposes, never go above -Q 95; saying -Q 100 will produce a file two or three times as large as -Q 95, but of hardly any better quality. If the image was less than perfect quality to begin with, you might be able to go down to -Q 50 without objectionable degradation. On the other hand, you might need to go to a HIGHER quality setting to avoid further degradation. The second case seems to apply much of the time when converting GIFs to JPEG. The default -Q 75 is about right for compressing 24-bit images, but -Q 85 to 95 is usually better for converting GIFs (see section 14 for more info). If you want a very small file (say for preview or indexing purposes) and are prepared to tolerate large defects, a -Q setting in the range of 5 to 10 is about right. -Q 2 or so may be amusing as ""op art"". (Note: the quality settings discussed in this article apply to the free JPEG software described in section 6B, and to many programs based on it. Other JPEG implementations, such as Image Alchemy, may use a completely different quality scale. Some programs don't even provide a numeric scale, just ""high""/""medium""/""low""-style choices.) [6] Where can I get JPEG software? Most of the programs described in this section are available by FTP. If you don't know how to use FTP, see the FAQ article ""How to find sources"". (If you don't have direct access to FTP, read about ftpmail servers in the same article.) That article appears regularly in news.answers, or you can get it by sending e-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with ""send usenet/news.answers/finding-sources"" in the body. The ""Anonymous FTP List FAQ"" may also be helpful --- it's usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/faq in the news.answers archive. NOTE: this list changes constantly. If you have a copy more than a couple months old, get the latest JPEG FAQ from the news.answers archive. [6A] If you are looking for ""canned"" software, viewers, etc: The first part of this list is system-specific programs that only run on one kind of system. If you don't see what you want for your machine, check out the portable JPEG software described at the end of the list. Note that this list concentrates on free and shareware programs that you can obtain over Internet; but some commercial programs are listed too. X Windows: XV (shareware, $25) is an excellent viewer for JPEG, GIF, and many other image formats. It can also do format conversion and some simple image manipulations. It's available for FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12), file contrib/xv-3.00.tar.Z. Version 3.00 is a major upgrade with support for 24-bit displays and many other improvements; however, it is brand new and still has some bugs lurking. If you prefer not to be on the bleeding edge, stick with version 2.21, also available from export. Note that version 2.21 is not a good choice if you have a 24-bit display (you'll get only 8-bit color), nor for converting 24-bit images to JPEG. But 2.21 works fine for converting GIF and other 8-bit images to JPEG. CAUTION: there is a glitch in version 2.21: be sure to check the ""save at normal size"" checkbox when saving a JPEG file, or the file will be blurry. Another good choice for X Windows is John Cristy's free ImageMagick package, also available from export.lcs.mit.edu, file contrib/ImageMagick.tar.Z. This package handles many image processing and conversion tasks. The ImageMagick viewer handles 24-bit displays correctly; for colormapped displays, it does better (though slower) color quantization than XV or the basic free JPEG software. Both of the above are large, complex packages. If you just want a simple image viewer, try xloadimage or xli. xloadimage supports JPEG in its latest release, 3.03. xloadimage is free and available from export.lcs.mit.edu, file contrib/xloadimage-3.03.tar.Z. xli is a variant version of xloadimage, said by its fans to be somewhat faster and more robust than the original. (The current xli is indeed faster and more robust than the current xloadimage, at least with respect to JPEG files, because it has the IJG v4 decoder while xloadimage 3.03 is using a hacked-over v1. The next xloadimage release will fix this.) xli is also free and available from export.lcs.mit.edu, file contrib/xli.1.14.tar.Z. Both programs are said to do the right thing with 24-bit displays. MS-DOS: This covers plain DOS; for Windows or OS/2 programs, see the next headings. One good choice is Eric Praetzel's free DVPEG, which views JPEG and GIF files. The current version, 2.5, is available by FTP from sunee.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.50.50), file pub/jpeg/viewers/dvpeg25.zip. This is a good basic viewer that works on either 286 or 386/486 machines. The user interface is not flashy, but it's functional. Another freeware JPEG/GIF/TGA viewer is Mohammad Rezaei's Hiview. The current version, 1.2, is available from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/graphics/hv12.zip. Hiview requires a 386 or better CPU and a VCPI-compatible memory manager (QEMM386 and 386MAX work; Windows and OS/2 do not). Hiview is currently the fastest viewer for images that are no bigger than your screen. For larger images, it scales the image down to fit on the screen (rather than using panning/scrolling as most viewers do). You may or may not prefer this approach, but there's no denying that it slows down loading of large images considerably. Note: installation is a bit tricky; read the directions carefully! A shareware alternative is ColorView for DOS ($30). This is easier to install than either of the two freeware alternatives. Its user interface is also much spiffier-looking, although personally I find it harder to use --- more keystrokes, inconsistent behavior. It is faster than DVPEG but a little slower than Hiview, at least on my hardware. (For images larger than screen size, DVPEG and ColorView seem to be about the same speed, and both are faster than Hiview.) The current version is 2.1, available from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/graphics/dcview21.zip. Requires a VESA graphics driver; if you don't have one, look in vesadrv2.zip or vesa-tsr.zip from the same directory. (Many recent PCs have a built-in VESA driver, so don't try to load a VESA driver unless ColorView complains that the driver is missing.) A second shareware alternative is Fullview, which has been kicking around the net for a while, but I don't know any stable archive location for it. The current (rather old) version is inferior to the above viewers anyway. The author tells me that a new version of Fullview will be out shortly and it will be submitted to the Simtel20 archives at that time. The well-known GIF viewer CompuShow (CSHOW) supports JPEG in its latest revision, 8.60a. However, CSHOW's JPEG implementation isn't very good: it's slow (about half the speed of the above viewers) and image quality is poor except on hi-color displays. Too bad ... it'd have been nice to see a good JPEG capability in CSHOW. Shareware, $25. Available from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/gif/cshw860a.zip. Due to the remarkable variety of PC graphics hardware, any one of these viewers might not work on your particular machine. If you can't get *any* of them to work, you'll need to use one of the following conversion programs to convert JPEG to GIF, then view with your favorite GIF viewer. (If you have hi-color hardware, don't use GIF as the intermediate format; try to find a TARGA-capable viewer instead. VPIC5.0 is reputed to do the right thing with hi-color displays.) The Independent JPEG Group's free JPEG converters are FTPable from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/graphics/jpeg4.zip (or jpeg4386.zip if you have a 386 and extended memory). These files are DOS compilations of the free source code described in section 6B; they will convert JPEG to and from GIF, Targa, and PPM formats. Handmade Software offers free JPEG<=>GIF conversion tools, GIF2JPG/JPG2GIF. These are slow and are limited to conversion to and from GIF format; in particular, you can't get 24-bit color output from a JPEG. The major advantage of these tools is that they will read and write HSI's proprietary JPEG format as well as the Usenet-standard JFIF format. Since HSI-format files are rather widespread on BBSes, this is a useful capability. Version 2.0 of these tools is free (prior versions were shareware). Get it from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/graphics/gif2jpg2.zip. NOTE: do not use HSI format for files to be posted on Internet, since it is not readable on non-PC platforms. Handmade Software also has a shareware image conversion and manipulation package, Image Alchemy. This will translate JPEG files (both JFIF and HSI formats) to and from many other image formats. It can also display images. A demo version of Image Alchemy version 1.6.2 is available from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/graphics/alch162.zip. NOTE ABOUT SIMTEL20: The Internet's key archive site for PC-related programs is Simtel20, full name wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (192.88.110.20). Simtel20 runs a non-Unix system with weird directory names; where this document refers to directory (eg) ""msdos/graphics"" at Simtel20, that really means ""pd1:"". If you are not physically on MILnet, you should expect rather slow FTP transfer rates from Simtel20. There are several Internet sites that maintain copies (mirrors) of the Simtel20 archives; most FTP users should go to one of the mirror sites instead. A popular USA mirror site is oak.oakland.edu (141.210.10.117), which keeps Simtel20 files in (eg) ""/pub/msdos/graphics"". If you have no FTP capability, you can retrieve files from Simtel20 by e-mail; see informational postings in comp.archives.msdos.announce to find out how. If you are outside the USA, consult the same newsgroup to learn where your nearest Simtel20 mirror is. Microsoft Windows: There are several Windows programs capable of displaying JPEG images. (Windows viewers are generally slower than DOS viewers on the same hardware, due to Windows' system overhead. Note that you can run the DOS conversion programs described above inside a Windows DOS window.) The newest entry is WinECJ, which is free and EXTREMELY fast. Version 1.0 is available from ftp.rahul.net, file /pub/bryanw/pc/jpeg/wecj.zip. Requires Windows 3.1 and 256-or-more-colors mode. This is a no-frills viewer with the bad habit of hogging the machine completely while it decodes; and the image quality is noticeably worse than other viewers. But it's so fast you'll use it anyway, at least for previewing... JView is freeware, fairly fast, has good on-line help, and can write out the decompressed image in Windows BMP format; but it can't create new JPEG files, and it doesn't view GIFs. JView also lacks some other useful features of the shareware viewers (such as brightness adjustment), but it's an excellent basic viewer. The current version, 0.9, is available from ftp.cica.indiana.edu (129.79.20.84), file pub/pc/win3/desktop/jview090.zip. (Mirrors of this archive can be found at some other Internet sites, including wuarchive.wustl.edu.) WinJPEG (shareware, $20) displays JPEG,GIF,Targa,TIFF, and BMP image files; it can write all of these formats too, so it can be used as a converter. It has some other nifty features including color-balance adjustment and slideshow. The current version is 2.1, available from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE above), file msdos/windows3/winjp210.zip. (This is a slow 286-compatible version; if you register, you'll get the 386-only version, which is roughly 25% faster.) ColorView is another shareware entry ($30). This was an early and promising contender, but it has not been updated in some time, and at this point it has no real advantages over WinJPEG. If you want to try it anyway, the current version is 0.97, available from ftp.cica.indiana.edu, file pub/pc/win3/desktop/cview097.zip. (I understand that a new version will be appearing once the authors are finished with ColorView for DOS.) DVPEG (see DOS heading) also works under Windows, but only in full-screen mode, not in a window. OS/2: The following files are available from hobbes.nmsu.edu (128.123.35.151). Note: check /pub/uploads for more recent versions --- the hobbes moderator is not very fast about moving uploads into their permanent directories. /pub/os2/2.x/graphics/jpegv4.zip 32-bit version of free IJG conversion programs, version 4. /pub/os2/all/graphics/jpeg4-16.zip 16-bit version of same, for OS/2 1.x. /pub/os2/2.x/graphics/imgarc12.zip Image Archiver 1.02: image conversion/viewing with PM graphical interface. Strong on conversion functions, viewing is a bit weaker. Shareware, $15. /pub/os2/2.x/graphics/pmjpeg11.zip PMJPEG 1.1: OS/2 2.x port of WinJPEG, a popular viewer for Windows (see description in Windows section). Shareware, $20. /pub/os2/2.x/graphics/pmview85.zip PMView 0.85: JPEG/GIF/BMP/Targa/PCX viewer. GIF viewing very fast, JPEG viewing roughly the same speed as the above two programs. Has image manipulation & slideshow functions. Shareware, $20. Macintosh: Most Mac JPEG programs rely on Apple's JPEG implementation, which is part of the QuickTime system extension; so you need to have QuickTime installed. To use QuickTime, you need a 68020 or better CPU and you need to be running System 6.0.7 or later. (If you're running System 6, you must also install the 32-bit QuickDraw extension; this is built-in on System 7.) You can get QuickTime by FTP from ftp.apple.com, file dts/mac/quicktime/quicktime.hqx. (As of 11/92, this file contains QuickTime 1.5, which is better than QT 1.0 in several ways. With respect to JPEG, it is marginally faster and considerably less prone to crash when fed a corrupt JPEG file. However, some applications seem to have compatibility problems with QT 1.5.) Mac users should keep in mind that QuickTime's JPEG format, PICT/JPEG, is not the same as the Usenet-standard JFIF JPEG format. (See section 10 for details.) If you post images on Usenet, make sure they are in JFIF format. Most of the programs mentioned below can generate either format. The first choice is probably JPEGView, a free program for viewing images that are in JFIF format, PICT/JPEG format, or GIF format. It also can convert between the two JPEG formats. The current version, 2.0, is a big improvement over prior versions. Get it from sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6), file /info-mac/app/jpeg-view-20.hqx. Requires System 7 and QuickTime. On 8-bit displays, JPEGView usually produces the best color image quality of all the currently available Mac JPEG viewers. JPEGView can view large images in much less memory than other Mac viewers; in fact, it's the only one that can deal with JPEG images much over 640x480 pixels on a typical 4MB Mac. Given a large image, JPEGView automatically scales it down to fit on the screen, rather than presenting scroll bars like most other viewers. (You can zoom in on any desired portion, though.) Some people like this behavior, some don't. Overall, JPEGView's user interface is very well thought out. GIFConverter, a shareware ($40) image viewer/converter, supports JFIF and PICT/JPEG, as well as GIF and several other image formats. The latest version is 2.3.2. Get it from sumex-aim.stanford.edu, file /info-mac/art/gif/gif-converter-232.hqx. Requires System 6.0.5 or later. GIFConverter is not better than JPEGView as a plain JPEG/GIF viewer, but it has much more extensive image manipulation and format conversion capabilities, so you may find it worth its shareware fee if you do a lot of playing around with images. Also, the newest version of GIFConverter can load and save JFIF images *without* QuickTime, so it is your best bet if your machine is too old to run QuickTime. (But it's faster with QuickTime.) Note: If GIFConverter runs out of memory trying to load a large JPEG, try converting the file to GIF with JPEG Convert, then viewing the GIF version. JPEG Convert, a Mac version of the free IJG JPEG conversion utilities, is available from sumex-aim.stanford.edu, file /info-mac/app/jpeg-convert-10.hqx. This will run on any Mac, but it only does file conversion, not viewing. You can use it in conjunction with any GIF viewer. Previous versions of this FAQ recommended Imagery JPEG v0.6, a JPEG<=>GIF converter based on an old version of the IJG code. If you are using this program, you definitely should replace it with JPEG Convert. Apple's free program PictPixie can view images in JFIF, QuickTime JPEG, and GIF format, and can convert between these formats. You can get PictPixie from ftp.apple.com, file dts/mac/quicktime/qt.1.0.stuff/pictpixie.hqx. Requires QuickTime. PictPixie was intended as a developer's tool, and it's really not the best choice unless you like to fool around with QuickTime. Some of its drawbacks are that it requires lots of memory, it produces relatively poor color image quality on anything less than a 24-bit display, and it has a relatively unfriendly user interface. Worse, PictPixie is an unsupported program, meaning it has some minor bugs that Apple does not intend to fix. (There is an old version of PictPixie, called PICTCompressor, floating around the net. If you have this you should trash it, as it's even buggier. Also, the QuickTime Starter Kit includes a much cleaned-up descendant of PictPixie called Picture Compressor. Note that Picture Compressor is NOT free and may not be distributed on the net.) Storm Technology's Picture Decompress is a free JPEG viewer/converter. This rather old program is inferior to the above programs in many ways, but it will run without System 7 or QuickTime, so you may be forced to use it on older systems. (It does need 32-bit QuickDraw, so really old machines can't use it.) You can get it from sumex-aim.stanford.edu, file /info-mac/app/picture-decompress-201.hqx. You must set the file type of a downloaded image file to 'JPEG' to allow Picture Decompress to open it. If your machine is too old to run 32-bit QuickDraw (a Mac Plus for instance), GIFConverter is your only choice for single-program JPEG viewing. If you don't want to pay for GIFConverter, use JPEG Convert and a free GIF viewer. More and more commercial Mac applications are supporting JPEG, although not all can deal with the Usenet-standard JFIF format. Adobe Photoshop, version 2.0.1 or later, can read and write JFIF-format JPEG files (use the JPEG plug-in from the Acquire menu). You must set the file type of a downloaded JPEG file to 'JPEG' to allow Photoshop to recognize it. Amiga: (Most programs listed in this section are stored in the AmiNet archive at amiga.physik.unizh.ch (130.60.80.80). There are many mirror sites of this archive and you should try to use the closest one. In the USA, a good choice is wuarchive.wustl.edu; look under /mirrors/amiga.physik.unizh.ch/...) HamLab Plus is an excellent JPEG viewer/converter, as well as being a general image manipulation tool. It's cheap (shareware, $20) and can read several formats besides JPEG. The current version is 2.0.8. A demo version is available from amiga.physik.unizh.ch (and mirror sites), file amiga/gfx/edit/hamlab208d.lha. The demo version will crop images larger than 512x512, but it is otherwise fully functional. Rend24 (shareware, $30) is an image renderer that can display JPEG, ILBM, and GIF images. The program can be used to create animations, even capturing frames on-the-fly from rendering packages like Lightwave. The current version is 1.05, available from amiga.physik.unizh.ch (and mirror sites), file amiga/os30/gfx/rend105.lha. (Note: although this directory is supposedly for AmigaDOS 3.0 programs, the program will also run under AmigaDOS 1.3, 2.04 or 2.1.) Viewtek is a free JPEG/ILBM/GIF/ANIM viewer. The current version is 1.04, available from amiga.physik.unizh.ch (and mirror sites), file amiga/gfx/show/ViewTek104.lha. If you're willing to spend real money, there are several commercial packages that support JPEG. Two are written by Thomas Krehbiel, the author of Rend24 and Viewtek. These are CineMorph, a standalone image morphing package, and ImageFX, an impressive 24-bit image capture, conversion, editing, painting, effects and prepress package that also includes CineMorph. Both are distributed by Great Valley Products. Art Department Professional (ADPro), from ASDG Inc, is the most widely used commercial image manipulation software for Amigas. ImageMaster, from Black Belt Systems, is another well-regarded commercial graphics package with JPEG support. The free IJG JPEG software is available compiled for Amigas from amiga.physik.unizh.ch (and mirror sites) in directory amiga/gfx/conv, file AmigaJPEGV4.lha. These programs convert JPEG to/from PPM,GIF,Targa formats. The Amiga world is heavily infested with quick-and-dirty JPEG programs, many based on an ancient beta-test version of the free IJG JPEG software (thanks to a certain magazine that published same on its disk-of-the-month, without so much as notifying the authors). Among these are ""AugJPEG"", ""NewAmyJPEG"", ""VJPEG"", and probably others I have not even heard of. In my opinion, anything older than IJG version 3 (March 1992) is not worth the disk space it's stored on; if you have such a program, trash it and get something newer. Atari ST: The free IJG JPEG software is available compiled for Atari ST, TT, etc, from atari.archive.umich.edu, file /atari/Graphics/jpeg4bin.zoo. These programs convert JPEG to/from PPM, GIF, Targa formats. For monochrome ST monitors, try MGIF, which manages to achieve four-level grayscale effect by flickering. Version 4.1 reads JPEG files. Available from atari.archive.umich.edu, file /atari/Graphics/mgif41b.zoo. I have not heard of any other free or shareware JPEG-capable viewers for Ataris, but surely there must be some by now? Pointers appreciated. Acorn Archimedes: !ChangeFSI, supplied with RISC OS 3 version 3.10, can convert from and view JPEG JFIF format. Provision is also made to convert images to JPEG, although this must be done from the CLI rather than by double-clicking. Recent versions (since 7.11) of the shareware program Translator can handle JPEG, along with about 30 other image formats. While older versions can be found on some Archimedes bboards, the current version is only available by registering with the author, John Kortink, Nutterbrink 31, 7544 WJ, Enschede, The Netherlands. Price 35 Dutch guilders (about $22 or 10 pounds). There's also a commercial product called !JPEG which provides JPEG read/write functionality and direct JPEG viewing, as well as a host of other image format conversion and processing options. This is more expensive but not necessarily better than the above programs. Contact: DT Software, FREEPOST, Cambridge, UK. Tel: 0223 841099. NeXT: ImageViewer is a PD utility that displays images and can do some format conversions. The current version reads JPEG but does not write it. ImageViewer is available from the standard NeXT archives at sonata.cc.purdue.edu and cs.orst.edu, somewhere in /pub/next (both are currently being re-organized, so it's hard to point to specific sub-directories). Note that there is an older version floating around that does not support JPEG. Portable software for almost any system: If none of the above fits your situation, you can obtain and compile the free JPEG conversion software described in 6B. You'll also need a viewer program. If your display is 8 bits or less, any GIF viewer will do fine; if you have a display with more color capability, try to find a viewer that can read Targa or PPM 24-bit image files. There are numerous commercial JPEG offerings, with more popping up every day. I recommend that you not spend money on one of these unless you find the available free or shareware software vastly too slow. In that case, purchase a hardware-assisted product. Ask pointed questions about whether the product complies with the final JPEG standard and about whether it can handle the JFIF file format; many of the earliest commercial releases are not and never will be compatible with anyone else's files. [6B] If you are looking for source code to work with: Free, portable C code for JPEG compression is available from the Independent JPEG Group, which I lead. A package containing our source code, documentation, and some small test files is available from several places. The ""official"" archive site for this source code is ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9 or 192.48.96.9). Look under directory /graphics/jpeg; the current release is jpegsrc.v4.tar.Z. (This is a compressed TAR file; don't forget to retrieve in binary mode.) You can retrieve this file by FTP or UUCP. If you are on a PC and don't know how to cope with .tar.Z format, you may prefer ZIP format, which you can find at Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE above), file msdos/graphics/jpegsrc4.zip. This file will also be available on CompuServe, in the GRAPHSUPPORT forum (GO PICS), library 15, as jpsrc4.zip. If you have no FTP access, you can retrieve the source from your nearest comp.sources.misc archive; version 4 appeared as issues 55-72 of volume 34. (If you don't know how to retrieve comp.sources.misc postings, see the FAQ article ""How to find sources"", referred to at the top of section 6.) The free JPEG code provides conversion between JPEG ""JFIF"" format and image files in GIF, PBMPLUS PPM/PGM, Utah RLE, and Truevision Targa file formats. The core compression and decompression modules can easily be reused in other programs, such as image viewers. The package is highly portable; we have tested it on many machines ranging from PCs to Crays. We have released this software for both noncommercial and commercial use. Companies are welcome to use it as the basis for JPEG-related products. We do not ask a royalty, although we do ask for an acknowledgement in product literature (see the README file in the distribution for details). We hope to make this software industrial-quality --- although, as with anything that's free, we offer no warranty and accept no liability. The Independent JPEG Group is a volunteer organization; if you'd like to contribute to improving our software, you are welcome to join. [7] What's all this hoopla about color quantization? Most people don't have full-color (24 bit per pixel) display hardware. Typical display hardware stores 8 or fewer bits per pixel, so it can display 256 or fewer distinct colors at a time. To display a full-color image, the computer must map the image into an appropriate set of representative colors. This process is called ""color quantization"". (This is something of a misnomer, ""color selection"" would be a better term. We're stuck with the standard usage though.) Clearly, color quantization is a lossy process. It turns out that for most images, the details of the color quantization algorithm have MUCH more impact on the final image quality than do any errors introduced by JPEG (except at the very lowest JPEG quality settings). Since JPEG is a full-color format, converting a color JPEG image for display on 8-bit-or-less hardware requires color quantization. This is true for *all* color JPEGs: even if you feed a 256-or-less-color GIF into JPEG, what comes out of the decompressor is *not* 256 colors, but thousands of colors. This happens because JPEG's lossiness affects each pixel a little differently, so two pixels that started with identical colors will probably come out with slightly different colors. Each original color gets ""smeared"" into a group of nearby colors. Therefore quantization is always required to display a color JPEG on a colormapped display, regardless of the image source. The only way to avoid quantization is to ask for gray-scale output. (Incidentally, because of this effect it's nearly meaningless to talk about the number of colors used by a JPEG image. Even if you attempted to count the number of distinct pixel values, different JPEG decoders would give you different results because of roundoff error differences. I occasionally see posted images described as ""256-color JPEG"". This tells me that the poster (a) hasn't read this FAQ and (b) probably converted the JPEG from a GIF. JPEGs can be classified as color or gray-scale (just like photographs), but number of colors just isn't a useful concept for JPEG.) On the other hand, a GIF image by definition has already been quantized to 256 or fewer colors. (A GIF *does* have a definite number of colors in its palette, and the format doesn't allow more than 256 palette entries.) For purposes of Usenet picture distribution, GIF has the advantage that the sender precomputes the color quantization, so recipients don't have to. This is also the *disadvantage* of GIF: you're stuck with the sender's quantization. If the sender quantized to a different number of colors than what you can display, you have to re-quantize, resulting in much poorer image quality than if you had quantized once from a full-color image. Furthermore, if the sender didn't use a high-quality color quantization algorithm, you're out of luck. For this reason, JPEG offers the promise of significantly better image quality for all users whose machines don't match the sender's display hardware. JPEG's full color image can be quantized to precisely match the user's display hardware. Furthermore, you will be able to take advantage of future improvements in quantization algorithms (there is a lot of active research in this area), or purchase better display hardware, to get a better view of JPEG images you already have. With a GIF, you're stuck forevermore with what was sent. It's also worth mentioning that many GIF-viewing programs include rather shoddy quantization routines. If you view a 256-color GIF on a 16-color EGA display, for example, you are probably getting a much worse image than you need to. This is partly an inevitable consequence of doing two color quantizations (one to create the GIF, one to display it), but often it's also due to sloppiness. JPEG conversion programs will be forced to use high quality quantizers in order to get acceptable results at all, and in normal use they will quantize directly to the number of colors to be displayed. Thus, JPEG is likely to provide better results than the average GIF program for low-color-resolution displays as well as high-resolution ones! Finally, an ever-growing number of people have better-than-8-bit display hardware already: 15-bit ""hi-color"" PC displays, true 24-bit displays on workstations and Macintoshes, etc. For these people, GIF is already obsolete, as it cannot represent an image to the full capabilities of their display. JPEG images can drive these displays much more effectively. Thus, JPEG is an all-around better choice than GIF for representing images in a machine-independent fashion. [8] How does JPEG work? The buzz-words to know are chrominance subsampling, discrete cosine transforms, coefficient quantization, and Huffman or arithmetic entropy coding. This article's long enough already, so I'm not going to say more than that here. For technical information, see the comp.compression FAQ. This is available from the news.answers archive at rtfm.mit.edu, in files /pub/usenet/news.answers/compression-faq/part[1-3]. If you need help in using the news.answers archive, see the top of this article. [9] What about lossless JPEG? There's a great deal of confusion on this subject. The JPEG committee did define a truly lossless compression algorithm, i.e., one that guarantees the final output is bit-for-bit identical to the original input. However, this lossless mode has almost nothing in common with the regular, lossy JPEG algorithm, and it offers much less compression. At present, very few implementations of lossless JPEG exist, and all of them are commercial. Saying ""-Q 100"" to the free JPEG software DOES NOT get you a lossless image. What it does get rid of is deliberate information loss in the coefficient quantization step. There is still a good deal of information loss in the color subsampling step. (With the V4 free JPEG code, you can also say ""-sample 1x1"" to turn off subsampling. Keep in mind that many commercial JPEG implementations cannot cope with the resulting file.) Even with both quantization and subsampling turned off, the regular JPEG algorithm is not lossless, because it is subject to roundoff errors in various calculations. The maximum error is a few counts in any one pixel value; it's highly unlikely that this could be perceived by the human eye, but it might be a concern if you are doing machine processing of an image. At this minimum-loss setting, regular JPEG produces files that are perhaps half the size of an uncompressed 24-bit-per-pixel image. True lossless JPEG provides roughly the same amount of compression, but it guarantees bit-for-bit accuracy. If you have an application requiring lossless storage of images with less than 6 bits per pixel (per color component), you may want to look into the JBIG bilevel image compression standard. This performs better than JPEG lossless on such images. JPEG lossless is superior to JBIG on images with 6 or more bits per pixel; furthermore, JPEG is public domain (at least with a Huffman back end), while the JBIG techniques are heavily covered by patents. [10] Why all the argument about file formats? Strictly speaking, JPEG refers only to a family of compression algorithms; it does *not* refer to a specific image file format. The JPEG committee was prevented from defining a file format by turf wars within the international standards organizations. Since we can't actually exchange images with anyone else unless we agree on a common file format, this leaves us with a problem. In the absence of official standards, a number of JPEG program writers have just gone off to ""do their own thing"", and as a result their programs aren't compatible with anybody else's. The closest thing we have to a de-facto standard JPEG format is some work that's been coordinated by people at C-Cube Microsystems. They have defined two JPEG-based file formats: * JFIF (JPEG File Interchange Format), a ""low-end"" format that transports pixels and not much else. * TIFF/JPEG, aka TIFF 6.0, an extension of the Aldus TIFF format. TIFF is a ""high-end"" format that will let you record just about everything you ever wanted to know about an image, and a lot more besides :-). TIFF is a lot more complex than JFIF, and may well prove less transportable, because different vendors have historically implemented slightly different and incompatible subsets of TIFF. It's not likely that adding JPEG to the mix will do anything to improve this situation. Both of these formats were developed with input from all the major vendors of JPEG-related products; it's reasonably likely that future commercial products will adhere to one or both standards. I believe that Usenet should adopt JFIF as the replacement for GIF in picture postings. JFIF is simpler than TIFF and is available now; the TIFF 6.0 spec has only recently been officially adopted, and it is still unusably vague on some crucial details. Even when TIFF/JPEG is well defined, the JFIF format is likely to be a widely supported ""lowest common denominator""; TIFF/JPEG files may never be as transportable. A particular case that people may be interested in is Apple's QuickTime software for the Macintosh. QuickTime uses a JFIF-compatible format wrapped inside the Mac-specific PICT structure. Conversion between JFIF and QuickTime JPEG is pretty straightforward, and several Mac programs are available to do it (see Mac portion of section 6A). If you have an editor that handles binary files, you can strip a QuickTime JPEG PICT down to JFIF by hand; see section 11 for details. Another particular case is Handmade Software's programs (GIF2JPG/JPG2GIF and Image Alchemy). These programs are capable of reading and writing JFIF format. By default, though, they write a proprietary format developed by HSI. This format is NOT readable by any non-HSI programs and should not be used for Usenet postings. Use the -j switch to get JFIF output. (This applies to old versions of these programs; the current releases emit JFIF format by default. You still should be careful not to post HSI-format files, unless you want to get flamed by people on non-PC platforms.) [11] How do I recognize which file format I have, and what do I do about it? If you have an alleged JPEG file that your software won't read, it's likely to be HSI format or some other proprietary JPEG-based format. You can tell what you have by inspecting the first few bytes of the file: 1. A JFIF-standard file will start with the characters (hex) FF D8 FF E0, followed by two variable bytes (often hex 00 10), followed by 'JFIF'. 2. If you see FF D8 at the start, but not the rest of it, you may have a ""raw JPEG"" file. This is probably decodable as-is by JFIF software --- it's worth a try, anyway. 3. HSI files start with 'hsi1'. You're out of luck unless you have HSI software. Portions of the file may look like plain JPEG data, but they won't decompress properly with non-HSI programs. 4. A Macintosh PICT file, if JPEG-compressed, will have a couple hundred bytes of header followed by a JFIF header (scan for 'JFIF'). Strip off everything before the FF D8 and you should be able to read it. 5. Anything else: it's a proprietary format, or not JPEG at all. If you are lucky, the file may consist of a header and a raw JPEG data stream. If you can identify the start of the JPEG data stream (look for FF D8), try stripping off everything before that. In uuencoded Usenet postings, the characteristic JFIF pattern is ""begin"" line M_]C_X ... whereas uuencoded HSI files will start with ""begin"" line M:'-I ... If you learn to check for the former, you can save yourself the trouble of downloading non-JFIF files. [12] What about arithmetic coding? The JPEG spec defines two different ""back end"" modules for the final output of compressed data: either Huffman coding or arithmetic coding is allowed. The choice has no impact on image quality, but arithmetic coding usually produces a smaller compressed file. On typical images, arithmetic coding produces a file 5 or 10 percent smaller than Huffman coding. (All the file-size numbers previously cited are for Huffman coding.) Unfortunately, the particular variant of arithmetic coding specified by the JPEG standard is subject to patents owned by IBM, AT&T, and Mitsubishi. Thus *you cannot legally use arithmetic coding* unless you obtain licenses from these companies. (The ""fair use"" doctrine allows people to implement and test the algorithm, but actually storing any images with it is dubious at best.) At least in the short run, I recommend that people not worry about arithmetic coding; the space savings isn't great enough to justify the potential legal hassles. In particular, arithmetic coding *should not* be used for any images to be exchanged on Usenet. There is some small chance that the legal situation may change in the future. Stay tuned for further details. [13] Does loss accumulate with repeated compression/decompression? It would be nice if, having compressed an image with JPEG, you could decompress it, manipulate it (crop off a border, say), and recompress it without any further image degradation beyond what you lost initially. Unfortunately THIS IS NOT THE CASE. In general, recompressing an altered image loses more information, though usually not as much as was lost the first time around. The next best thing would be that if you decompress an image and recompress it *without changing it* then there is no further loss, i.e., you get an identical JPEG file. Even this is not true; at least, not with the current free JPEG software. It's essentially a problem of accumulation of roundoff error. If you repeatedly compress and decompress, the image will eventually degrade to where you can see visible changes from the first-generation output. (It usually takes many such cycles to get visible change.) One of the things on our to-do list is to see if accumulation of error can be avoided or limited, but I am not optimistic about it. In any case, the most that could possibly be guaranteed would be that compressing the unmodified full-color output of djpeg, at the original quality setting, would introduce no further loss. Even such simple changes as cropping off a border could cause further roundoff-error degradation. (If you're wondering why, it's because the pixel-block boundaries move. If you cropped off only multiples of 16 pixels, you might be safe, but that's a mighty limited capability!) The bottom line is that JPEG is a useful format for archival storage and transmission of images, but you don't want to use it as an intermediate format for sequences of image manipulation steps. Use a lossless format (PPM, RLE, TIFF, etc) while working on the image, then JPEG it when you are ready to file it away. Aside from avoiding degradation, you will save a lot of compression/decompression time this way :-). [14] What are some rules of thumb for converting GIF images to JPEG? As stated earlier, you *will* lose some amount of image information if you convert an existing GIF image to JPEG. If you can obtain the original full-color data the GIF was made from, it's far better to make a JPEG from that. But if you need to save space and have only the GIF to work from, here are some suggestions for getting maximum space savings with minimum loss of quality. The first rule when converting a GIF library is to look at each JPEG, to make sure you are happy with it, before throwing away the corresponding GIF; that will give you a chance to re-do the conversion with a higher quality setting if necessary. Some GIFs may be better left as GIFs, as explained in section 3; in particular, cartoon-type GIFs with sixteen or fewer colors don't convert well. You may find that a JPEG file of reasonable quality will be *larger* than the GIF. (So check the sizes too.) Experience to date suggests that large, high-visual-quality GIFs are the best candidates for conversion to JPEG. They chew up the most storage so offer the most potential savings, and they convert to JPEG with least degradation. Don't waste your time converting any GIF much under 100 Kbytes. Also, don't expect JPEG files converted from GIFs to be as small as those created directly from full-color originals. To maintain image quality you may have to let the converted files be as much as twice as big as straight-through JPEG files would be (i.e., shoot for 1/2 or 1/3rd the size of the GIF file, not 1/4th as suggested in earlier comparisons). Many people have developed an odd habit of putting a large constant-color border around a GIF image. While useless, this was nearly free in terms of storage cost in GIF files. It is NOT free in JPEG files, and the sharp border boundary can create visible artifacts (""ghost"" edges). Do yourself a favor and crop off any border before JPEGing. (If you are on an X Windows system, XV's manual and automatic cropping functions are a very painless way to do this.) cjpeg's default Q setting of 75 is appropriate for full-color input, but for GIF inputs, Q settings of 85 to 95 often seem to be necessary to avoid image degradation. (If you apply smoothing as suggested below, the higher Q setting may not be necessary.) Color GIFs of photographs or complex artwork are usually ""dithered"" to fool your eye into seeing more than the 256 colors that GIF can actually store. If you enlarge the image, you will see that adjacent pixels are often of significantly different colors; at normal size the eye averages these pixels together to produce the illusion of an intermediate color value. The trouble with dithering is that, to JPEG, it looks like high-spatial-frequency color noise; and JPEG can't compress noise very well. The resulting JPEG file is both larger and of lower image quality than what you would have gotten from JPEGing the original full color image (if you had it). To get around this, you want to ""smooth"" the GIF image before compression. Smoothing averages together nearby pixels, thus approximating the color that you thought you saw anyway, and in the process getting rid of the rapid color changes that give JPEG trouble. Appropriate use of smoothing will often let you avoid using a high Q factor, thus further reducing the size of the compressed file, while still obtaining a better-looking output image than you'd get without smoothing. With the V4 free JPEG software (or products based on it), a simple smoothing capability is built in. Try ""-smooth 10"" or so when converting GIFs. Values of 10 to 25 seem to work well for high-quality GIFs. Heavy-handed dithering may require larger smoothing factors. (If you can see regular fine-scale patterns on the GIF image even without enlargement, then strong smoothing is definitely called for.) Too large a smoothing factor will blur the output image, which you don't want. If you are an image processing wizard, you can also do smoothing with a separate filtering program, such as pnmconvol from the PBMPLUS package. However, cjpeg's built-in smoother is a LOT faster than pnmconvol... The upshot of all this is that ""cjpeg -quality 85 -smooth 10"" is probably a good starting point for converting GIFs. But if you really care about the image, you'll want to check the results and maybe try a few other settings. --------------------- For more information about JPEG in general or the free JPEG software in particular, contact the Independent JPEG Group at jpeg-info@uunet.uu.net. ",comp.graphics 1031,"I'm trying to get MH compiled (and then xmh) and I'm having some problems. I've got mh-6.8, using gcc on SCO 3.2.4. My MH file is listed below. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can add to get it to compile?? =========== bin /usr/local/bin debug off etc /usr/local/lib/mh mail /usr/mail mailgroup mail mandir /usr/man manuals gen chown /bin/chown editor prompter remove /bin/mv -f # if no TCP/IP sendmail is available: change mts entry to sendmail mts sendmail/smtp bboards off bbdelivery off bbhome /usr/spool/bboards mf off pop off # options SEE BELOW cc gcc ccoptions -O -ansi -D__STDC__=0 -DSYSV -DSYSV386 -DSCO -D_SVID curses -lcurses ldoptions -s ldoptlibs lex lex sprintf int sharedlib off slibdir /usr/local/lib oldload off ranlib off # define BIND only of the BSD4.3 named (TCP/IP) is used # define SOCKETS only if the system has BSD4.3 sockets (TCP/IP) options ATZ BIND DUMB MHE MHRC MORE='""/usr/bin/more""' options OVERHEAD SHADOW SOCKETS SYS5 SYS5DIR options TZNAME WHATNOW ",comp.windows.x 1032,"Greetings all, Does anyone use some form of 3D input device? I would like to hear any information on any systems that people are currently using... Please email responses. I will summarise if I get some feedback. ",comp.graphics 1033," Well, the problem just _might_ be that you can't buy any of these bikes in North America. (Except the GSXR 400 -> Bandit 400)",rec.motorcycles 1034,"Getting wierd again? Okay we have figure out that a mission specifically to Pluto is to large and to expensive.. Okay what about launching one probe with multiple parts.. Kind of liek the old MIRV principle of old Cold War Days. Basically what I mean is design a mother ship that has piggy backed probes for different missions,namely different planets. Each probe would be tied in with the mother ship (or earth as the case may be).. This is good when and if we go for Mars (the MArs mission can act as either Mother ship or relay point for the probes. Also the mother ship would be powered (if not the Mars Mission) by a normal propulsion, but also a solar sail (main reason for solar sail race is to see what can be done and autmoated?) the sail would get the probes to were they needed.. I know the asteroid/meteor clouds (and such) might get in the way of a Sail?? Main reasonf ro mother ship idea is to make it more economoical to send multiple probes/mission/satellites/exploreres to different places and cut costs.. The probes could do fly bys or ?? we shall see...",sci.space 1035,"HELP! I'm stuck here at a computer in New Jersey and have no access to a radio or TV. Could someone kindly post the score of the Canucks-Jets game? Thanks in advance.",rec.sport.hockey 1036," Riddle me this. If a god(s) exist why on earth should we grovel? Why on earth should we give a damm at all? What evidence do you have that if such a creature(s) exist it deserves anything beyond mild admiration or sheer hatred for what it/they have done in the past (whichever god(s) you care to pick). That is assuming any records of their actions are correct. Religon offers a bliss bubble of self contained reality which is seperate from the physical world. Any belief system can leave you in such a state and so can drugs. God(s) are not a requirement. Only if you remove such useless tappestry can you build a set of morals to build a society upon. It is that or keep on exterminating those who don't believe (or converting them). - Eric NEW VIRUSES:",alt.atheism 1037,Next GPS launch is scheduled for June 24th.,sci.space 1038,"but whoever listens to me will live in safety and be at ease, without fear of harm."" Proverbs 1:33 ",soc.religion.christian 1039,"Could the guy who wrote the article ""Why I am not Bertrand Russell"" resend me a copy?",soc.religion.christian 1040," Why shouldn't I mind? It sounds as if you are proceeding with just the sort of obfuscation you have accused me of. I always preceeded my statements with ""it is my understanding that..."" Now, I have made my claim clear with regard to the issue of both the Twelve Imams and with Khomeini's supposed claim of infalibility. After hearing your seemingly more knowledgable claim that Khomeini made no such claim regarding himself, I have withdrawn that portion of my statement regarding that claim. However, I have received _no_ such response regarding the infallibility of the Twelve Imams. There is nothing obfuscationist about my claims, which are always made clearly. I have received no such clear response regarding the Twelve Imams but rather abstruse references to unusual metaphysical natures and other such opaque ""concepts"" often used by people to camoflage the baselessness of their positions, particularly in matters of theology. These are just the sorts of ""concepts"" used by Christian churches the perverting of their religion. Alaikum Wassalam,",alt.atheism 1041," An excellent movie. Not essentially about motorcycles, but a very poignant look at life in rural Ireland. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------",rec.motorcycles 1042,"=Hmm. The police strategy of bursting in with weapons drawn, clearly marked as =officers and yelling ""Police"" repeatedly. This is used every day to bust drug =houses. The idea is to awe the suspects into submission with surprise and =display of firepowere in order to avoid a gun fight. As for not knocking, it's =a sad necessity in many cases since the suspects will attempt to escape or even =fight. Usually this strategy works; if it didn't, then it wouldn't be used so =commonly, now would it? How often is it used when the convoy carrying the brigade is visible for miles before it reaches the place that's to be searched? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL",talk.religion.misc 1043," Speaking from experience, one doesn't need drugs to become disoriented during hospital stays. I was in hosp for 5 days in late Jan; what with general noise at all hours of night, staff coming every time I turned over, or whatever, to check me out, I didn't get much sustained sleep at night. Spent days groggy & dozing, and all it was from my perspective was that I was TIRED!",sci.med 1044," >Clipper also allows an extraordinary opportunity for the criminal to >conceal use of super-encryption. An automated full-system surveillance >mechanism (quite feasible across radio bandwidth) which knows family key F, >can validate Clipper wrappers and N:ESN associations, but it cannot reveal >in realtime the use of super-encryption, unless it knows all unit keys, >which we are being assured are only to be made available in two separate >pieces, upon specific wiretap-like order. The serial number will be in a 64 bit block, with a 34 bit filler. Doesn't take a lot to check to see if that is correct. Depends on whether the filler is a constant (makes checking easy, but susceptible to replay), or variable (e.g. timer, counter, random), which makes replay harder and can also make it easier for the inquisitors to know if they've missed messages, or gotten them out of sequence, or other interesting things that sort of person might care about. It is still easy to conceal super-encryption, at least until the inquisitors get ahold of the K key, which can take a while, presumably not in near-real-time. (Worst-case, in which the escrow agencies provide the U key to the local cops, still only gets one side of the conversation per warrant, unless the same key is used for both directions, which I suppose the CAPSTONE version of the chip will probably insist on.)",sci.crypt 1045,"My school is settinÿûg up a new network with bothe Macs and Apple II's. I'm used to ethernet, and don't know muÿch about LocalTalk. Two things: first, in MacWherehouse, btheÿy have PowerUser network connectors, and the caption leads you to belÿûieve that you can plug them into the phone lines in the building and have them work. Is this true? I've seen it done by running sepÿerate phone cords, but never with real lines. Second, if that does work, could you use a modem ÿhooked up to that same line while the network was active? Help would be greatly appriciated. BTW-ÿ’running seperate phone line is out of the question, the network wil VERRY spread o. EriCronin _______________________________________________________________________________ Bringing a kind word and a helpful Spirit wherever we can, we are... -+- THE ASSOCIATION - a multi-line Macintosh BBS in Grand Blanc, Michigan! Echoes from Fido, InterNet, FamilyNet, ICDMnet, K-12 - PLUS 2Gb files at 313-695-6955 HST/v.32bis. ___________________________________________________________________ Testify 2.0 ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1046,"Archive-name: Intel-Unix-X-faq Last-modified: 30 Mar 1993 Note: This is a major re-organization (and replacement) of my ""Frequently Asked Questions About X386"" FAQ list. This article includes answers to: I) What options do I have for X software on my Intel-based Unix system? 1. Free options 2. Commercial options II) What is XFree86 and where do I get it? 3. What is XFree86? 4. What OSs are supported? 5. What video hardware is supported? 6. What about accelerated boards? 7. Why doesn't XFree86 support 16-color VGA modes? 8. What other hardware or software requirements are there? 9. Where can I get source for XFree86? 10. Where can I get binaries for XFree86? IV) What general things should I know about running XFree86? 11. Installation directories 12. Configuration files 13. Determining VGA dot clocks and monitor modes 14. Rebuilding/reconfiguring the server from the link kit V) What OS-specific things should I know about running XFree86? 15. SVR4 16. SVR3 17. 386BSD 18. Linux 19. Mach VI) What things should I know for building XFree86 from source? VII) Is there anything special about building clients with XFree86? 20. BSD compatibility library 21. ANSICCOPTIONS This article does NOT include answers to general X questions, since these are already covered by the X FAQ that is regularly posted by David B. Lewis . If you have anything to add or change on the FAQ just let me know. (especially if you had a problem that someone else was able to help you with) Send changes to steve@ecf.toronto.edu, please put 'FAQ' somewhere in the subject line so that my mail filter will put it in the correct mail folder. Please DO NOT ask me questions that are not answered in the FAQ. I do not have time to respond to these individually. Instead, post your question to the net, and send me the question and answer together when you get it. Frequently Asked Questions About X on Intel-based Unix (with answers) ===================================================================== I) What options do I have for X software on my Intel-based Unix system? 1. Free options The BEST option is XFree86, which is an enhanced version of X386 1.2. Any other version of X386 will have slower performance, and will be more difficult to compile. Information on how to obtain XFree86 is listed below. X386 is the port of the X11 server to System V/386 that was done by Thomas Roell (roell@sgcs.com). It supports a wide variety of SVGA boards. There are 2 major free versions: X386 1.1 is based on X11R4, X386 1.2 is included in MIT's X11R5 distribution (ie. you don't need to patch it into the MIT source any more). X386 1.3 is the current commercial offering from SGCS (see below). 2. Commercial options 1) Metro Link 2213 W. McNab Road Pompano Beach, FL 33069 (305) 970-7353 Fax: (305) 970-7351 email: sales@metrolink.com Summary: OS: QNX, SVR3, SVR4.[012], SCO, UnixWare, LynxOS, DESQview/X, Venix, ISC, Solaris, Pyramid, SunOS HW: EGA, VGA, SVGA, TIGA, TARGA, 8514/A, Mach, S3, WD, Fujistu, Matrox, Microfield Graphics, R33020 Other: Motif, OpenLook/XView, XIE Imaging Extension, Xv Video Extension, Audio Drivers, Multi Media 2) SGCS (Snitily Graphics Consulting Services) 894 Brookgrove Lane Cupertino, CA 95014 (800) 645-5501, (408) 255-9665 Fax: (408) 255-9740 email: info@sgcs.com or ...!mips!zok!info Summary: OS: SVR3.2, SVR4 HW: 8514/A (ATI Ultra), S3 (Diamond Stealth), SVGA Other: Motif, Dual-headed server 3) Consensys Corporation 1301 Pat Booker Rd. Universal City, TX 78148 Phone: 1-800-388-1896 FAX: 1-416-940-2903 email: info@consensys.com Summary: OS: Consensys V4.2, Consensys' version of Unix System V Release 4.2 HW: X11R4 server support for VGA, SVGA Other: MoOLIT, Motif, X11R5 Clients 4) The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. p.o. box 1900 Santa Cruz, California 95061 (408) 425 7222, (800) SCO UNIX, FAX: (408) 458 4227 email: info@sco.com Summary: OS: ODT 1.1, ODT 2.0, SCO Unix 3.2v4 HW: X11R4 server support for SVGA, 8514/A, S3, TMS340x0, WD90C31, XGA2, assorted local bus (see SCO Hardware Compatabilty Guide for actual card vendors). Other: Motif 5) Answer Software & Consulting p.o. box 14171 Columbus, Ohio 43214 614-263-XLAB email: sales@x4coher.com Summary: OS: Coherent 4.0.1r72 or greater HW: works with any VESA compliant video NOTE: Other commercial vendors (including OS vendors describing bundled software) are welcome to submit summary information summary information such as the above. II) What is XFree86 and where do I get it? 3. What is XFree86? XFree86 is an enhanced version of X386 1.2, which was distributed with X11R5. This release consists of many bug fixes, speed improvements, and other enhancements. Here are the highlights of the enhancements: 1) The SpeedUp package from Glenn Lai is an integral part of XFree86, selectable at run-time via the Xconfig file. Some SpeedUps require an ET4000 based SVGA, and others require a virtual screen width of 1024. The SpeedUps suitable to the configuration are selected by default. With a high-quality ET4000 board (VRAM), this can yield up to 40% improvement of the xStones benchmark over X386 1.2. 2) The fX386 packages from Jim Tsillas are included as the default operating mode if SpeedUp is not selected. This mode is now equivalent in performance to X386 1.1b (X11R4), and approximately 20% faster than X386 1.2. 3) Support for LOCALCONN, compile-time selectable for server, clients, or both. This support is for both SVR3.2 and SVR4. For SVR4.0.4 with the 'Advanced Compatibility Package', local connections from SCO XSight/ODT clients are supported. 4) Drivers for ATI and Trident TVGA8900C and TVGA9000 SVGA chipsets. Refer to the files README.ati and README.trident for details about the ATI and Trident drivers. 5) Support for compressed bitmap fonts has been added (Thomas Eberhardt's code from the contrib directory on export.lcs.mit.edu). 6) Type1 Font code from MIT contrib tape has been included, and is compile-time selectable. There are contributed Type1 fonts in the contrib directory on export.lcs.mit.edu. 7) New configuration method which allows the server's drivers and font renderers to be reconfigured from both source and binary distributions. 8) Integrated support for 386BSD, Mach, and Linux. 9) A monochrome version of the server which will run on generic VGA cards is now included. The following key features were added with the release of XFree86 1.2 (they were not in XFree86 1.1): 1) The monochrome server has been enhanced to do bank-switching of available SVGA memory to allow virtual screens up to 1600x1200 (see the X386(1) manual page for more information). 2) Support for the Hercules mono card has been added to the monochrome server, and with it the ability to support a ""two headed"" server - one VGA, and one Hercules. So far this has only been tested on SVR4 (it is also reported to work under Linux). 3) SVR3 shared libraries, tested under ISC SVR3 2.2 and 3.0.1. 4) Support for SVR4.2 (There are some special considerations to consider, due to new USL bugs; see the README.SVR4 file for more information.) 5) Support for PS/2 mice, and Logitech MouseMan/TrackMan (some versions of these devices were not previously compatible). 6) A new tutorial on how to develop correct video card and monitor timing data, written by Eric Raymond (derived from previous documentation and a lot of experimentation). 7) Greatly improved support for international keyboards, including implementation of the Compose key functionality found on many vendor servers (see the X386keybd(1) manual page for more information). 8) The accuracy with which the server detects SVGA pixel clocks has been improved, and the timings are now stored at accuracies of 0.1 MHz. Users may want to consider removing an existing Clocks line from their Xconfig file and re-probing using the new server. 9) Many enhancements in error handling and parsing of the Xconfig configuration file. Error messages are much more informative and intuitive, and more validation is done. There are many new options that can be enabled in the Xconfig file (see the X386(1) manual page for more information on the format of this file). Plus a number of other small things. Refer to the CHANGELOG file in the source distribution for full details. Also included are a tutorial on monitor timing by Eric Raymond, and the current X386 mode database and a sample xdm configuration by David Wexelblat. 4. What OSs are supported? XFree86 supports: SVR4.2: Consensys V4.2 SVR4.0: Microport, Dell, Esix, ISC, AT&T, MST, Consensys, UHC SVR3: ISC 2.2 & 3.0, AT&T 2.2 Linux, Mach 386, 386BSD 0.1 BSD/386 is not supported, but it should work. The most active BSD/386 person is Greg Lehey . Note that Esix 3.2D and SCO are not supported yet, but anyone should feel free to submit patches. If you are interested in tackling this, send mail to xfree86@physics.su.oz.au 5. What video hardware is supported? At this time, XFree86 1.2 supports the following SVGA chipsets: Tseng ET4000 Tseng ET3000 Paradise PVGA1 Western Digital WD90C00, WD90C10, WD90C11 (these are supersets of the PVGA1, and use its driver) Genoa GVGA Trident TVGA8900C, TVGA9000 ATI 18800, 28800 All of the above are supported in both 256 color and monochrome modes, with the exception of the ATI chipsets, which are only supported in 256 color mode. The monochrome server also supports generic VGA cards, using 64k of video memory in a single bank, and the Hercules card. On the ET3000, only 64k of video memory is supported for the monochrome server, and the GVGA has not been tested with more than 64k. It appears that some of the SVGA card manufacturers are going to non-traditional mechanisms for selecting pixel-clock frequencies. To avoid having to modify the server to accommodate these schemes XFree86 1.2 adds support for using an external program to select the pixel clock. This allows programs to be written as new mechanisms are discovered. Refer to the README.clkprog file for information on how these programs work, if you need to write one. If you do develop such a program, the XFree86 team would be interested in including it with future XFree86 releases. If you are purchasing new hardware for the purpose of using XFree86, it is suggested that you purchase an ET4000-based board such as the Orchid ProDesigner IIs. Avoid recent Diamond boards; XFree86 will not work with them, because Diamond won't provide programming details. In fact, the XFree86 project is actively not supporting new Diamond products, as long as such policies remain in effect. Contributions of code will NOT be accepted (because of the potential liabilities). If you would like to see this change, tell Diamond about it. Some people have asked if XFree86 would work with local bus or EISA video cards. Theoretically, the means of communication between the CPU and the video card is irrelevant to Xfree86 compatibility. It could be ISA, EISA, or local bus. What should matter is the chipset on the video card. Unfortunately, the developers don't have a lot of access to EISA or VLB machines, so this is largely an untested theory. However, we have yet to see any reports of things not working on one of these buses and we have several reports of Xfree86 working fine on them. 6. What about accelerated boards? At this time, there is no support in XFree86 for accelerated boards like the S3, ATI Ultra (8514/A), TIGA, etc. This support is available in commercial products from SGCS and MetroLink (for SVR3 and SVR4). An S3 server is available for 386BSD and Linux. Contact for 386BSD or for Linux. A beta 8514/A server is available for Linux. Contact or . Note: these servers are NOT part of XFree86. 7. Why doesn't XFree86 support 16-color VGA modes? The reason that this is not supported is the way VGA implements the 16-color modes. In 256-color modes, each byte of frame buffer memory contains 1 pixel. But the 16-color modes are implemented as bit- planes. Each byte of frame- buffer memory contains 1 bit from each of each of 8 pixels, and there are four such planes. The MIT frame- buffer code is not designed to deal with this. If VGA handled 16-color modes by packing 2 4-bit pixels into each byte, the MIT code could be modified to support this (or it already may; I'm not sure). But for the VGA way of doing things, a complete new frame-buffer implementation is required. Some beta testers are looking into this, but nothing is yet available from the project. 8. What other hardware or software requirements are there? Obviously, a supported SVGA board and OS are required. To run X efficiently, 12-16MB of memory should be considered a minimum. The various binary releases take 10-40MB of disk space, depending on the OS (e.g. whether or not it supports shared libraries). To build from sources, at least 80MB of free disk space will be required, although 120MB should be considered a comfortable lower bound. 9. Where can I get source for XFree86? Source patches for the current version (1.2, based on X11R5 PL22 from MIT), are available via anonymous FTP from: export.lcs.mit.edu (under /contrib/XFree86) ftp.physics.su.oz.au (under /XFree86) ftp.win.tue.nl (under /pub/XFree86) (For the rest of this FAQ, these 3 location will be called $FTP) Refer to the README file under the specified directory for information on which files you need to get to build your distribution. 10. Where can I get binaries for XFree86? Binaries are available via anonymous FTP from: ftp.physics.su.oz.au - SVR4 binaries under /XFree86/SVR4 ftp.win.tue.nl - SVR4 binaries under /pub/XFree86/SVR4 ferkel.ucsb.edu - SVR4 binaries under /pub/SVR4/XFree86 stasi.bradley.edu - SVR4 binaries under /pub/XFree86/SVR4 blancmange.ma.utexas.edu - SVR3 (ISC) binaries under /pub/ISC ftp.prz.tu-berlin.de - SVR3 (ISC) binaries under /pub/pc/isc/XFree86 tsx-11.mit.edu - Linux binaries under /pub/linux/packages/X11 agate.berkeley.edu - 386BSD binaries under /pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/XFree86 ftp.cs.uwm.edu - Mach binaries under /i386 Ensure that you are getting XFree86 1.2 - some of these sites may archive older releases as well. Each binary distribution will contain a README file that describes what files you need to take from the archive, and which compile-time option selections were made when building the distribution. IV) What general things should I know about running XFree86? 11. Installation directories The top-level installation directory is specified by the ProjectRoot (/usr/X386, by default) variable in config/site.def. Binaries, include files, and libraries are installed in $ProjectRoot/{bin,include,lib}. This can be changed when rebuilding from sources, and can be modified via symbolic links for those OSs that support them. This directory is nonstandard, and was chosen this way to allow XFree86 to be installed alongside a commercial/vendor-supplied X implementation. 12. Configuration files The XFree86 server reads a configuration file (""Xconfig"") on startup. The search path, contents and syntax for this file are documented in the server manpage, which should be consulted before asking questions. 13. Determining VGA dot clocks and monitor modes David E Wexelblat (dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com) maintains a database of known clock settings for VGA cards and monitor settings. The database is installed in /usr/X386/lib/X11/etc/modeDB.txt, and is in the source tree under mit/server/ddx/x386/etc. This database is also available from him (for the latest copy), and is kept on export.lcs.mit.edu in ~/contrib/X386.modeDB.Z, which is updated occasionally. Obtain a copy of this database. It just might have the settings you need. If you create new settings, please send them to David for inclusion in the database. If this doesn't help you, the VideoModes.doc (by Eric Raymond) file with XFree86 contains tutorials on how to come up with these timings. It may be helpful to start with settings that almost work, and use this description to get them right. When you do, send the information to David Wexelblat for inclusion in the database. NOTE: The old 'clock.exe' program is not supported any more, and is completely unnecessary. If you need to determine dot clock values for a new board, remove the 'Clocks' line from your Xconfig file (if present), and start the server. The server will probe for clocks itself and print them out. You can use these values to put a 'Clocks' line into your Xconfig file, which is not necessary, but will speed up starting the server in the future. 14. Rebuilding/reconfiguring the server from the link kit If you have installed the server Binary Link Kit, it is possible to reconfigure the drivers and font renderers in the server. This is fully explained in the README file that is available with the link kit. V) What OS-specific things should I know about running XFree86? First of all, the server must be installed suid-root (mode 4755). 15. SVR4 Why won't my xterm run properly? If your kernel is not built with the consem module, you should define CONSEM=no in you environment. Otherwise xterm won't run. csh users should use 'setenv CONSEM no' The Esix console driver patch 403019 is known to cause keymapping problems with XFree86. It recommended that this patch not be installed. Alternatively they keymap can be fixed with xmodmap. 16. SVR3 Make sure you look at $FTP/README.ISC, if that's what you are running. 17. 386BSD Make sure you look at $FTP/README.386BSD. Also, a separate 386BSD FAQ is maintained by Richard Murphey . The latest version should be available in the file XFree86-1.2-386BSD-FAQ at the following ftp sites: agate.berkeley.edu:/pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/XFree86-1.2 wuarchive.wustl.edu:/mirrors4/386bsd/0.1-ports/XFree86-1.2 grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr:pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/XFree86-1.2 18. Linux You must be running Linux 0.97pl4 or greater, and have the 4.1 gcc jump libraries installed. Make sure the binaries X386, X386mono, xload and xterm are setuid root. If your kernel doesn't have TCP support compiled in, you'll have to run the server as ""X -pn"". The default startup configuration assumes that TCP is not available. If it is, change the two files /usr/X386/bin/startx and /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers, removing the -pn argument to X386. Make sure /dev/console is either a link to /dev/tty0 or has the major number 4, minor number 0. Also note that if /dev/console is not owned by the user running X, then xconsole and xterm will not permit console output redirection. Xdm will properly change the owner, but startx won't. When running xdm from rc.local, you will need to provide it with a tty, for example ""xdm < /dev/console &"". For more detailed information, please read the file README present with the distribution on tsx-11.mit.edu. 19. Mach Make sure you look at $FTP/README.Mach. VI) What things should I know for building XFree86 from source? This section has been removed from the FAQ, since it is fully explained in $FTP/README and the OS-specific READMEs. Please look at those files for information on building XFree86. VII) Is there anything special about building clients with XFree86? 20. BSD compatibility library A lot of clients make use of BSD functions like bcopy(), etc. The default configuration files are set up to link with libXbsd.a which contains emulation for bcopy(), bzero(), bcmp(), ffs(), random(), seed(). A better way of providing the 'b' functions is to include in source files that call them. Xfuncs.h provides macro definitions for these in terms of the SYSV 'mem' functions. If you are linking with a vendor supplied library which calls some of these functions, then you should link with libXbsd.a 21. ANSICCOPTIONS This is something that was added to allow a developer to get rid of the ANSI-ness defined in the default CCOPTIONS without having to rewrite the entire CCOPTIONS line. For example, with stock MIT, you'd see something like CCOPTIONS=""-ansi -O2 -fwritable-strings"" and to get rid of the ANSI-ness, the developer would have to put CCOPTIONS=""-O2 -fwritable-strings"" in his Imakefile. With this change, you would see a default of ANSICCOPTIONS=""-ansi"" CCOPTIONS=""-O2 -fwritable-strings"" and all the developer would have to put in the Imakefile is: ANSICCOPTIONS= to get rid of the ANSI-ness (many X clients will die a horrible death with -ansi). The effect is even more dramatic in practice, because CCOPTIONS is actually quite complex. The other issue is that one must add 'ANSICCOPTIONS=$(ANSICCOPTIONS)' to a PassCDebugFlags definition. XFree86 Contact Information Ongoing development planning and support is coordinated by the XFree86 Core Team. At this time the Core Team consists of: The original ""gang of four"": David Dawes Glenn Lai Jim Tsillas David Wexelblat Those supporting non-SYSV operating systems: Robert Baron [Mach] Rich Murphey [386BSD] Orest Zborowski [Linux] e-mail sent to will reach all of the core team. -------------------------------------------------- Thanks to all the people who already sent me corrections or additions, especially David Wexelblat (one of the major contributors of updates).",comp.windows.x 1047," I don't believe any state licenses herbologists or iridologists.",sci.med 1048," Well, here in Detroit we get to see and hear Don Cherry quite regularly. The Detroit area picks up Hockey Night in Canada from CBC (ch 9) in Windsor where we see Don Cherry's Coaches Corner between periods. We also get to see Don Cherry's Grapevine just before the game. The Grapevine is a hockey talk show where Don talks to a player or coach about what else: Hockey. It's actually a pretty good show and Don isn't as annoying as he is on Coaches Corner. I think this is were Don got his nickname 'Grapes' but I'm not sure. Don use to coach the Boston Bruins. I don't know exactly when that was. Could someone fill me in on this info? A local radio station here in Detroit (WLLZ) talks to Don every Tuesday morning. Personally, I've had my fill of Donny! He really pisses me off sometimes. During the Detroit-Toronto game Monday night on CBC, Don gave high praise to Doug Gilmour, saying he was a two-way player and not just a designated goal scorer and that he is probably the best player in the game because of that. That's fine and I agree that Gilmour is a good two-way player BUT he said the EXACT same thing about Yzerman about a month ago on a local radio talk show. What gives? It seems like he just has a set speech that he changes when he goes from city to city. Don Cherry: 'I think is the best two-way player in the league today.' There have been other times (can't remember exactly what he said) that he basically changed his opinions to match the audience he was talking to. Someone here on the net said something about how Don criticized Mario Lemieux but when the time comes for Don to broadcast the Cup playoffs from the Civic Center (Yes, I think the Pens will make it out of the Wales Conference) Don will apologize left and right for his remarks about Lemieux. In my opinion, he is an ass. And I won't change my opinion if I'm in a different city. Sorry, if this didn't answer your question better but I just had to get this off my chest.",rec.sport.hockey 1049," I'd be willing to bet that a majority of the cost difference could be accounted for by the AF's requirement for superfluous 2167 documentation, 5 or 6 huge requirements and design reviews, travel expenses flying personnel around to meetings, and over specifying the hardware. I doubt that the actual fabrication cost in materials and labor would be very different from SDIO's costs.",sci.space 1050," In other words, ""Nice camera you got dere. It would be a shame if somet'in wuz ta happen to it..."" Good. Keep thinking critically. What if the secrecy is actually LESS damaging than the alternative? Make your own bite-size pieces. We'll wait. -- ",talk.politics.guns 1051,"whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) sent in a list of verses which he felt condemn homosexuality. mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) wrote in response that some of these verses ""are used against us only through incredibly perverse interpretations"" and that others ""simply do not address the issues."" [remainder of my post deleted] The moderator then made some comments I would like to address: If you are referring to the terms ""effeminate"" and ""homosexuals"" in the above passage, I agree that the accuracy of the translation has been challenged. However, I was simply commenting on the charge that it is an ""incredibly perverse"" interpretation to read this as a condemnation of homosexuality. Such a charge seems to imply that no reasonable person would ever conclude from the verse that Paul intended to condemn homosexuality; however, I think I can see how a reasonable person might very well take this view of the verse. Therefore I do not believe it is ""incredibly perverse"" to read it in this way. Actually, I wasn't thinking of the church at all. After all, a couple doesn't have to be married by a minister. A secular justice of the peace could do the job, and the two people would be married. My point was that it is easy to find a biblical basis for heterosexual marriage, but where in the Bible would one get a Christian marriage between two people of the same sex? And if you do see a biblical basis for same-sex marriages, how willing would gay Christians be to ""save themselves"" for such a marriage and to never have sexual intercourse with anyone outside of that marriage relationship? Please note that I am not trying to imply that gay Christians would not be willing to be so monogamous, I am genuinely interested in hearing opinions on the subject. I have heard comments from gays in the past that lead me to believe they regard promiscuity as one of the main points of being homosexual, yet I tend to doubt that gays who want to be Christian would advocate such a position. So what is the gay view? - Mark",soc.religion.christian 1052,"I have some MICE that have a chip numbered HM8348 and HM8350. I have not been able to find information on these. Any help would be appreciated. mcole@nmsu.edu ",None 1053," They can be detached in an emergency. But expensive hardware is not thrown away casually (bearing in mind that nobody knew the design was defective). If the deployment crew had found some nasty flaw -- the lid failing to open, for example -- it would have been a bit embarrassing to have to throw the solar arrays away to get the thing back in the payload bay.",sci.space 1054," Sadly understandable... Yes. To be fair, you should really qualify this as semitic-western religions, but you basically go ahead and do this later on anyway. Again, this should really be evaluated at a personal level. For example, there was only one Jesus (presumably), and he probably didn't say all that many things, and yet (seemingly) billions and billions of Christian sects have arisen. Perhaps there is one that is totally dedicated to rationalism and believes in Christ as in pantheism. It would seem to go against the Bible, but it is amazing what people come up with under the guise of ""personal interpretation"". This is a good point. We have here the quintessential Christian: he sets up a system of values/beliefs for himself, which work very well, and every event/experience is understandable and deablable within the framework of this system. However, we also have an individual who has the inability (at least not without some difficulty) to change, which is important, because the problem with such a system is the same as with any system: one cannot be open minded to the point of ""testing hypotheses"" against the basic premise of the system without destroying whatever faith is invested therein, unless of course, all the tests fail. In other words, the *fairer* way would be to test and evaluate moralities without the bias/responsibility of losing/retaining a system. Interesting, but again, when it seems to basically boil down to individual nuances (although not always, I will admit, and probably it is the mass-oriented divisions which are the most appalling), it becomes irrelevant, unfortunately. Granted In which case the people become the bullets, and the religion, as the gun, merely offers them a way to more adequately do some harm with themselves, if I may be so bold as to extend your similie? Also understandable... ;) -- best regards, ",alt.atheism 1055,"In the EC, the Corrado VR6 is rated as 'best handling car this side of a 968'. As it goes, I just read an article in 'Autocar & Motor' comparing the VR6 to a Ford Probe (later to be launched in the UK).... The VR6 is more powerful (even more so coz its 2.9 instead of 2.8 in the EC) and more fun to drive etc etc... but the Probe has a slightly smoother engine (thanx Mazda MX6!)...",rec.autos 1056,"... That people are at risk and that some die during a hostage situation might be considered an acceptable scenario in storming a compound. When EVERYONE dies (save for nine people), including twenty children, the outcome must be considered a failure. Now was the failure due to unforseeable circumstances, incompetence, or negligence? From the double talk and multiple stories I've seen on the news coming from the FBI and Reno I find ""it was an honest mistake"" hard to swallow Let's hope they get their stories straight for the second round of questions. ",talk.politics.misc 1057," Mr. Sternlight, your naivete and historical ignorance is appalling. [ History lesson detailing 1968-74 deleted. ]",sci.crypt 1058," It came from a reseller survey. I don't recall any FUD here. Maybe an example? For the most part, this newsgroup is ""attack"" oriented. Microsoft has been attacked on anything ranging from the quality of our products, the intelligence of our people, the integrity of our business, etc. ANYONE would get defensive when being baselessly attacked. We are human beings as well. You should expect a response when a claim that an employee might feel is unwarranted is leveled.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1059," Right. People here believe the government is listening in on everything. Sure. If you can't provide an answer, change the assumptions to something you can deal with. It's not a matter of the government listening on on everything, it's a matter of the government listening on anyone they take an interest in. Say, if you do something heinous like attend a computer meeting at a mall, the Secret Service decides to go for a warrantless search, and acquires your name. It's a matter of any number of possible wiretap abuses that cryptology makes far less likely, and this chip can sabotage. Par for the course, though. I predicted that you'd be jumping in in favor of this. The reply was that you'd justify anything up to and including death camps as long as the government backed them and had a written policy statement. Perhaps a little extreme, but not much.",sci.crypt 1060,"MLB Standings and Scores for Friday, April 23rd, 1993 (including yesterday's games) NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road San Francisco Giants 10 06 .625 -- 7-3 Won 1 05-02 05-04 Houston Astros 08 06 .571 1.0 7-3 Won 1 02-04 06-02 Atlanta Braves 09 08 .529 1.5 4-6 Lost 1 04-03 05-05 San Diego Padres 06 08 .429 3.0 5-5 Won 1 03-04 03-04 Los Angeles Dodgers 06 10 .375 4.0 3-7 Lost 3 03-03 03-07 Colorado Rockies 05 09 .357 4.0 3-7 Lost 1 03-03 02-06 Cincinnati Reds 05 10 .333 4.5 4-6 Lost 1 02-04 03-06 NATIONAL EAST Philadelphia Phillies 10 04 .714 -- 7-3 Lost 1 06-02 04-02 Montreal Expos 09 06 .600 1.5 7-3 Won 4 06-03 03-03 St. Louis Cardinals 09 06 .600 1.5 6-4 Won 1 06-03 03-03 Pittsburgh Pirates 08 07 .533 2.5 5-5 Won 1 04-04 04-03 Chicago Cubs 07 07 .500 3.0 5-5 Lost 1 04-04 03-03 New York Mets 07 07 .500 3.0 5-5 Lost 1 03-05 04-02 Florida Marlins 05 10 .333 5.5 3-7 Won 1 03-06 02-04 AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road California Angels 09 04 .692 -- 7-3 Won 3 06-02 03-02 Texas Rangers 08 05 .615 1.0 5-5 Lost 2 04-02 04-03 Minnesota Twins 08 06 .571 1.5 6-4 Won 1 05-04 03-02 Chicago White Sox 07 07 .500 2.5 5-5 Won 2 02-03 05-04 Seattle Mariners 07 08 .467 3.0 4-6 Won 2 05-03 02-05 Oakland Athletics 05 08 .385 4.0 3-7 Lost 2 05-04 00-04 Kansas City Royals 05 10 .333 5.0 5-5 Lost 1 03-06 02-04 AMERICAN EAST Boston Red Sox 11 05 .688 -- 7-3 Lost 2 06-01 05-04 Detroit Tigers 09 05 .643 1.0 8-2 Won 2 07-01 02-04 New York Yankees 08 07 .533 2.5 5-5 Won 2 03-03 05-04 Toronto Blue Jays 08 07 .533 2.5 5-5 Won 1 04-02 04-05 Milwaukee Brewers 05 07 .417 4.0 4-6 Lost 1 02-02 03-05 Cleveland Indians 05 11 .313 6.0 2-8 Lost 4 04-03 01-08 Baltimore Orioles 04 09 .308 5.5 4-6 Lost 2 02-05 02-04 YESTERDAY'S SCORES (IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order) NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE San Diego Padres 2 Boston Red Sox 0 Philadelphia Phillies 1 Seattle Mariners 7 Los Angeles Dodgers 1 Chicago White Sox 3 Montreal Expos 3 Baltimore Orioles 2 Cincinnati Reds 4 Milwaukee Brewers 4 Pittsburgh Pirates 5 Minnesota Twins 5 Atlanta Braves 3 Toronto Blue Jays 6 Florida Marlins 4 Kansas City Royals 3 Colorado Rockies 2 Cleveland Indians 0 St. Louis Cardinals 5 California Angels 8 San Francisco Giants 13 New York Yankees 5 New York Mets 4 Oakland Athletics 1 Chicago Cubs IDLE Detroit Tigers IDLE Houston Astros IDLE Texas Rangers IDLE -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS",rec.sport.baseball 1061,"The whire wheels aren't chromed, they were to be painted silver/grey. The accelerating from a stop shouldn't be ""doggy"" because of the light weight of the car. Don't pull the topto make it reach the snaps, I pulled a couple out of the top doing that. Replacing the spanps usually doesn't work. Let it sit in th e sun, open on the car for a couple hours, the try, GENTLY!!!! I continually blew up the #4 connecting rod bearing, be sure your not buring too much oil. Don't expect too much of a smooth ride. The lever arm shocks hold the road, and your bladder. The are ultra-expensive. Supposedly the can be rebuilt. J. C. Whitney sell a shock replacement kit the uses standard shocks. I had to rebuid boththe brake and clutch master cylinder, in addition to the clutch slave. This work made a world of changes. Be sure the carb is the original type replacement. My 1970 had dual Stomberg oil dampenned side draft carbs. Ask if the clutch has ever been replaced. To replace the engine and tranny have to be pulled as a unit.",rec.autos 1062," I use it to refer to those Christians who take a more conservative-literalist approach to the Bible, as distinct from ""liberals"". I would use the word ""Christian"" (unqualified) to describe someone to whom the above definition applied. BTW, it applies to me. [deletia: Joe Gaut indicates his interest in the BD disaster is from a civil liberties issue, not an attempt to justify Koresh's beliefs and/or practices.] I agree with Joe about this: if some group wants to believe in whatever god or Invisible Pink Unicorns and go off and live together and have group sex, or no sex, or sex only for the leaders (but NOT with children), then, as much as I might believe them to be misguided, I think they should have the legal right. And I hope the investigation will start by determining whether the feds had any *legitimate* reason for going after Koresh in the first place (before moving on to consider the wisdom of various tactics used). [Joe goes on to dispute the child-abuse allegations. I'll (provisionally) accept this, unless someone has evidence to support the allegations?] Actually I wasn't thinking about the (alleged) child abuse, but about the reports that he had sex with, and fathered children by, several women in the cult. I agree this is not a legal matter - consenting adults and all that - but Stephen Tice seems to be defending Koresh's beliefs and practices from specifically *Christian* perspective, not a civil liberties perspective. I think my question is not really aimed at Joe (and possibly not at Ray Cote either, who seems to also be taking the political angle), but at Stephen Tice. ",talk.religion.misc 1063,"This discussion on ""objective"" seems to be falling into solipsism (Eg: the recent challenge from Frank Dwyer, for someone to prove that he can actually observe phenomena). Someones even made the statement that science is ""subjective"" and that even atom are ""subjective."" This is getting a bit silly and the word ""objective"" is losing all meaning. Lets start by remembering the definition of ""objective"" which has been already presented: objective ADJ. 1. Of or having to do with a material object as distinguished from a mental concept. 2. Having actual existence. 3.a. Unenfluenced by emotion or personal prejudice. b. Based on observable phenomenon. The Objectivity of a thing is not based on whether everyone agrees on that thing (eg: the world is objectively round, regardless of the fact that there exist flat earthers), but rather whether it is based observable and verifiable phenomenon (instead of being based solely on peoples wishes, feeling, mental processes, etc). Thus atoms, being based on very observable and repeatable phenomenon, are indeed considered to be objective rather than subjective. Even weird, high energy physics is based on observable phenomenon (even though that observation can change the outcome). Nor are those observable phenomenon affected by emotion, or personal prejudice (eg: chemical reactions do not change to the whims of different people). Thus to say that science is not objective (ie: objectively verifiable) is a bit silly, as that is the point of science. Now I will agree that science is not objectively ""good;"" I will not thereby conclude though that science is not objective. Now some examples things which are ""objective"": A D-12 tractor is larger than the average breadbox. Chlorophyll is green. Seawater contains salt. There exists ozone in the atmosphere (at least presently). Ozone blocks ultraviolet light. Ultraviolet light increases the incidents of skin Cancer. ""Good"" on the other hand is a value judgement. It doesn't seem to have an existence apart from what we give it (unless someone can objectively show the existence of an omnipotent entity which has defined ""good""). We cannot quantify it, touch it or collect it in any concrete sense (eg: I have a bag full of ""good""). Now we do sometimes attempt to give the word ""good"" an objective meaning, e.g. ""good"" has been used to denote strength, resiliency, speed, etc. That though, is a subjective definition, as some might not see ""strength"" and etc, as necessarily ""good"" (eg: strength inspired by Naziism is not generally viewed as ""good""). As to a morality, I cannot say that I have ever seen a morality strictly based on verifiable observable phenomenon. The closest I have seen is some form of the ""Golden Rule,"" which concludes that it is best not to deliberately piss people off, as they will likely then involve themselves in your life, in a manner you won't like. This is verifiable; when you ""get in someone's face,"" they will often retaliate. Another objective fact about morality is that a more powerful group can enforce their morality on a weaker group, and thus can at times, ignore that form of the ""Golden Rule"" without fear of reprisal. Now as to whether this enforcing of morality is ""good"" or ""bad,"" is quite subjective. By the way, remember that subjective does not mean that a thing cannot be formally stated, or even commonly agreed upon; it only means that that it is not verifiable from observable phenomena, or has a physical existence unto itself. Also note that I have not stated that there is no such thing as an objective morality, or that I could not accept any such a morality; I have simply stated that I have seen no evidence of any such morality. One other thing to notice, ""objective"" is many times used as synonymous with ""true"" and/or ""absolute,"" and ""subjective"" sometimes has the connotation of ""false"" and/or ""relative."" Tain't necessarily so. For instance, when a conclusion is based on objective, but insufficient evidence, then it can be both objective and false. As to ""absolute,"" it is easy to note that while we can objectively show that TNT is explosive, but that does not absolutely mean that all TNT will explode, and thus objective is not necessarily absolute either. On the other hand, something subjective can also be either ""absolutist,"" or ""true."" For instance, there are some theists who are specifically ""absolutist"" in their morality, even though they have only subjective evidence to back it up. Further, many a scientist and detective has been motivated by subjective reasons (eg: a ""gut feeling"" or ""hunch""), to investigate a phenomena or situation, and gather the objective evidence necessary to support a true hypothesis. On the whole though, I would have to agree that objective evidence is much more trustworthy than subjective evidence. Later, Dave Butler",talk.religion.misc 1064," I recently watched a an episode of ""The Old West"" a TV show on the Discovery Channel (or perhaps the A&E Network), the one hosted by Kenny Rogers. This episode was all about the Mormons and how they settled Utah, etc. A large portion of the broadcast was about the ""Mountain Meadows Massacre"". The program very specifically pointed out that Brigham Young knew nothing about the incident until long after it had happened (before telegraph), and it occured as a result of several men inciting a bunch of paronoid Moromn settlers into what amounted to a mob. All participants in the incident were prosecuted and eccomunicated from the LDS Church. I suggest you watch a rerun of that episode (they play them over and over) and see what they (non-Mormons) have to say about it. Lance ",talk.religion.misc 1065,"comments : ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There is a BIG difference between the status of what you refer to as Alexandrians (actually, this includes all Oriental Orthodox Churches and not only Copts) and that of Nestorians. The Oriental Orthodox Churches never even ""shelter"" Eutyches (the advocator of Monophysitism) but on the contrary, it condemned (and still does condemn) him and his heresy. That is why the Eastren (Chalcedonian) Orthodox Church held talks with the Oriental (non-Chalcedonian) that started 30 years ago and still continueing till today, but they have converged on many issues the most imporatant of which is Christology (I have more details of the inter-Orthodox dialogue, in case anyone is interested). So I do not see how the ""Alexandrians"" and the Nestorians are in a similar position. Peace,",soc.religion.christian 1066," Well, GIF stands for Graphics Interchange Format and was put forth by Compuserve back in 1987(?) or so. It was to create a format that could be read and displayed by any system. GIF is limited to 8 bit color but has a built in compression scheme (LZW?). IFF is not really a graphics format, but rather a standard way to package images, sounds, animations, text, or whatever into one file. IFF was created by Electronic Arts, I do believe (I could be wrong), for the Amiga. It was quickly adopted as pretty much the standard file format for the Amiga. The most common image format for the IFF package is an ILBM (InterLeaved BitMap?) but many others exist. This format supports 24 bit color images. Information on both of these and many more are available via anonymous ftp at zamenhof.cs.rice.edu in the directory /pub/graphics.formats (Taken from the FAQ for this news group.) :)",comp.graphics 1067," Simple. First, Andrew is correct, although I can see where there might be some confusion. It is indeed possible to have two cards *configured* to use the same interrupt. They can not *share* the interrupt in the sense that it is not possible to have both cards active at the same time. Here is an example. For some time, I was short of ""free interrupts."" I had a tape controller (not a ""floppy tape"") that needed one of IRQ0-IRQ7. (It's an *old* tape drive.) My solution was to use IRQ3 (also used for COM2, where my modem is). I did this because I reasoned I would never be using the modem and the tape simultaneously. When kermit runs, it installs its own interrupt handler for IRQ3 and uses the serial port. If the tape drive were to generate an interrupt, kermit would not have a clue what to do with/for the tape controller. (And since the tape controller would not be serviced, it would most likely ""hang."") Likewise, when the tape backup software runs, it installs an interrupt handler for IRQ3. That handler won't do anything for the serial port. Under DOS, printing is NOT interrupt-driven. Instead, the BIOS polls the status of the parallel port to determine when another byte may be sent. That's why you can have your sound card and LPT1 both configured to use IRQ7. Try that on NT and see how far you'll get. :-) -- Kenneth R. Ballou VOICE: (617) 494-0990 Oberon Software, Inc. FAX: (617) 494-0414 One Memorial Drive, Cambridge, MA 02142 Internet: ballou@oberon.com",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1068,"Emu Emax II Rackmount Sampler w/ 16 Bit Stereo Sampling 3 stereo inputs, 6 outs. Internal Sequencer 32 voice polyphony 170 meg internal HD Stock ram (2 meg I think) Perfect Condition 5 months old",misc.forsale 1069," Well maintained chains, running in oil, without those little rubber 'O' rings to cause frictional losses, might reach 99% efficiency. The average open to the dust 'O' ring motorcycle chain probably has a difficult job making 90% efficient. Tony",rec.motorcycles 1070," Terry McCandlish, president of my local BMW club (Buckeye Beemers) sells this type of tape. It comes as a strip approximately 3"" x 12"" and can be cut to sizes needed. You can call Terry at (614) 837-1960 (Columbus, Ohio).",rec.motorcycles 1071,"very good. ",None 1072," Contradicting itself on facts, for example.",None 1073,"The subject says it all. I bought Adobe Type Manager and find it completely useless. I ftped some atm fonts and couldn't install them. What's the use? Are you supposed to be able to convert ATM fonts to Truetype? If there's anyone out there who has this program and actually finds it useful, enlighten me!",comp.graphics 1074," Too many MDs on the list and not enough RNs in my opinion. Doug ",talk.politics.misc 1075,"Does anyone have any real experience with the Kubota Kenai/Denali series of graphics workstations? They pretty much blow the pants off SGI machines and Sun machines in the same price point, which is about 50,000 bucks. Real nice stuff, but I've only seen the stuff on paper. I'm wondering, is there anything NOT to like? The specs are too massive to get into here, but if a summary is desired I could be coaxed into uploading the spec sheet.",comp.graphics 1076,"To: ashwin@cc.gatech.edu (Ashwin Ram) AR>Does the ""Thermoscan"" instrument really work? It is supposed to give you a ABSOLUTELY! Ya don't have to do the other end! (it is accurate - but technique is important) cccbbs!rob.welder@uceng.uc.edu",sci.med 1077," First of all, I wouldn't have gone after the Davidians for a firearms violation which I object to in the first place. Second, I wouldn't have executed a search warrant via an armed assault when all the Davidians were sure to have been there. Third of all, I wouldn't have cut off all outside communication to Koresh. And I certainly wouldn't have gone in with a tank-- time was on the FBIs side. Since they had outside resupply, they could wait indefinitely. ",talk.politics.misc 1078," ----------",None 1079," I am seeking any press references to how much tax Perot pays in income taxes. I've heard the figure of 7 percent, since he gets most of his his income from federal and municipal bond interest. Anybody read a reliable report somewhere? Thanks! ",talk.politics.misc 1080," Only on the FRONT wheel. Use the lever on the right handlebar to accomplish this. Michael",rec.motorcycles 1081," I've found mine ('93 Probe GT) to do quite well. [window problem deleted, artical has been trimmed] I've not had any of the air or leakage problems that have been reported but do get the squeal that Bill describes. I live in Seattle so the wet weather may be a factor. If I recall correctly I got two keys. This is true. I'm wondering if this may be a safety concern. IE, if people pound on the place where the airbag lives... No opinion. The 5 speed is much more fun. We opted for the automatic for a number of reasons but it's still fun, and in some ways more practical. Ditto. I too would suspect that this may be true. Yes! Ditto. Agree. Check it out. I don't mind it but would say that if it was much stiffer it might be a problem. (How about the '93 R1 RX-7 for suspension?!) True. I've had this problem and read about it. (or at least I assume the one I had was the one I read about :-). In any case what happened was the weld between the muffler and the pipe feeding it (ok, so I'm not a mechanic) broke. In my case the dealer welded it, ordered replacement parts and put them on when they got them. I suspect this is some sort of 1) design flaw, or 2) production flaw. In any case I have an earlier model and would expect it to be worked out on newer ones. In any case it is a warrantee repair. (or they get the keys back!) I second this. There seems to be some things that slipped through but the car seems very sound. While not perfection (what is) you get an awful lot for your money. BTW, Bill has a Probe mailing list. You might want to subscribe to it if you are interested in more detail. Try request-ford-probe@world.std.com (did I get that right? never can remember if the request goes on the front or the back :-) ",rec.autos 1082,"I'm having an interesting problem with my girlfriend's car. Before I delve into its innards, I thought I'd check ""net.wisdom"" on the subject. :) It's a 1985 Buick Skyhawk (I know...I know) 2.0l EFI 4-banger auto 35k miles When I drive tha car long enough to get it hot (especially at highways speeds) the transmission has this nasty habit of getting ""stuck"" in 3rd gear. As a result, when you stop for a light the motor stalls. Putting the car in park, and waiting for 30-60 seconds before restarting sometimes allows the transmission to ""reset"" and go back into 1st. Otherwise, it just stalls when put in drive. My thoughts: Either it the 3rd gear band is binding and getting stuck when it gets hot (not so likely) or perhaps the lock-up converter is not disengaging properly (seems likely). The least likely (keeping fingers crossed) is that some critical vacuum hose has broken/cracked and this behaviour is due to lack of vaccuum somewhere (as used to happen with old modulator valves). My background is that my father owns a service station and I worked there on and off from 10-19 years of age. Please feel free to be as technical as you want. :) I'd appreciate hearing any tips/suggestions/offers of free beer. Skoal,",rec.autos 1083," To big for a .sig? No way! Keith "" Home of the billdboard .sig files "" Ryan =) --- Private note to Jennifer Fakult. ""This post may contain one or more of the following: sarcasm, cycnicism, irony, or humor. Please be aware of this possibility and do not allow yourself to be confused and/or thrown for a loop. If in doubt, assume all of the above.",alt.atheism 1084," 'Alone'? Sorry, but the following western scholars are forced to disagree with you. During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, the Armenians through a premeditated and systematic genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year homeland. The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian, Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche, Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa, Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many others. J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University. Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History, Princeton University. Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago. Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark. Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research Institute, University of Pennsylvania. Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies, University of Illinois. Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut. Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political Science, City University Graduate School, New York. John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History, University of Chicago. John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of California at Berkeley. Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University. Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University. Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University. Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts. Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota. Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville. Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon). Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky. Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland. James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan. .......so the list goes on and on and on..... As for the genocide of the Azeri people by the Armenians: Source: Channel 4 News at 19.00, Monday 2 March 1992. 2 French journalists have seen 32 corpses of men, women and children in civilian clothes. Many of them shot dead from their heads as close as less than 1 meter. Source: BBC1 Morning news at 07.37, Tuesday 3 March 1992. BBC reporter was live on line and he claimed that he saw more than 100 bodies of Azeri men, women and children as well as a baby who are shot dead from their heads from a very short distance. Source: BBC1 Morning news at 08:12, Tuesday 3 March 1992. Very disturbing picture has shown that many civilian corpses who were picked up from mountain. Reporter said he, cameraman and Western Journalists have seen more than 100 corpses, who are men, women, children, massacred by Armenians. They have been shot dead from their heads as close as 1 meter. Picture also has shown nearly ten bodies (mainly women and children) are shot dead from their heads. Azerbaijan claimed that more than 1000 civilians massacred by Armenian forces. Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 1085," Well, it's closer to Bryce than Bryce is to Arches. I'd spend a lot of time studying the maps, there's a lot of ""you can't get there from here"" in that area. You might want to hit the Grand Canyon on the way up from California, loop around to Canyonlands/Moab/Arches, and then back down towards Bryce & Zion on the way home. Make sure you ride US 12 between Capitol Reef and Bryce, it's been on a number of ""top 10 roads"" lists. A nice booklet detailing a lot of interesting paved (Byways) and unpaved (Backways) roads can be ordered from the Utah Travel Council. I think you can also get a state map from them just for asking. Utah Byways and Backways $4.00 (US) Utah Travel Council Council Hall Capitol Hill Salt Lake City, UT 84114 (801) 583-1030",rec.motorcycles 1086,"Archive-name: macintosh/general-faq Version: 2.1.3 Last-modified: April 16, 1993 Copyright 1993, Elliotte Harold Changes: 2.1: Where can I FTP Macintosh software? I added the ftp site anl.anl.fr. 2.5: What is .bin? .hqx? .cpt? .image? .etc.? Disk Doubler will decode Packit archives. Binhex 5.0 will decode MacBinary files, NOT StuffIt files as the last version erroneously indicated. 2.7: I added the question How can I get Binhex, StuffIt etc. from a PC? comp.sys.mac.faq Part 1: An Introduction to the Macintosh Newsgroups I. Introduction 1. How do I use this document? 2. What other information is available? 3. Which newsgroup should I post to? 4. Someone just asked why the System was taking up sixteen megabytes on their IIcx. Shouldn't I display my knowledge to the world by posting the seventeenth response to their question? II. FTP 1. Where can I FTP Macintosh software? 2. Can I get shareware by E-mail? 3. Where can I find Application X? 4. Can someone mail me Application X? 5. What is .bin? .hqx? .cpt? .image? .etc.? 6. How can I get BinHex? StuffIt? etc.? 7. How can I get BinHex, StuffIt, etc. from a PC? III. Troubleshooting. What to do when things go wrong 1. Identify the problem. 2. Read the READ ME file. 3. Check for viruses. 4. Reinstall the application and all its support files. 5. Reinstall the system software. 6. Isolate the problem. 7. Contact technical support. IV. Preventive Maintenance 1. Trash Unneeded Files 2. Reevaluate Your Extensions 3. Rebuild the desktop. 4. Zap the PRAM and Reset the Clock 5. Resize the system heap. 6. Reinstall the system software. 7. Disk Utilities 8. Backing Up 9. Disk Defragmentation 10. Reformatting and partitioning your hard disk Other FAQ lists currently available: B. comp.sys.mac.system: I. Memory 1. Why is my system using so much memory? 2. What is Mode 32? the 32-bit enabler? Do I need them? 3. Cache and Carry (How much memory should I allot to my cache?) II. System Software 1. Why does Apple charge for System 7.1? 2. What does System 7.1 give me for my $35 that System 7.0 doesn't? 3. Where can I get System 7.1? 4. How can I use System 6 on a System 7 only Mac? 5. Non-US scripts and systems 6. What is System 7 Tuneup? Do I need it? 7. Why do my DA's disappear when I turn on MultiFinder? 8. Do I need System 7.0.1? 9. How can I get System 7.0.1 on 800K disks? III. Hard Disks, Filesharing, and the File System 1. Help! My folder disappeared! 2. Why can't I throw this folder away? 3. Why can't I share my removable drive? 4. Why can't I eject this SyQuest cartridge? CD-ROM? etc. 5. Why can't I rename my hard disk? IV. Miscellaneous: 1. What does System Error XXX mean? 2. What is a Type 1 error? 3. What is A/ROSE? 4. Easy Access or One Answer, Many Questions C. comp.sys.mac.misc: I. Viruses 1. Help! I have a virus! 2. Reporting new viruses II. Printing and PostScript 1. How do I make a PostScript file? 2. How do I print a PostScript file? 3. Why won't my PostScript file print on my mainframe's printer? 4. Why are my PostScript files so big? 5. How can I print PostScript on a non-PostScript printer? 6. How do I make my ImageWriter II print in color? 7. Why doesn't PrintMonitor work with the ImageWriter? 8. Why did my document change when I printed it? 9. How can I preview a PostScript file? 10. How do I edit a PostScript file? III. DOS and the Mac 1. How can I move files between a Mac and a PC? 2. How can I translate files to a DOS format? 3. Should I buy SoftPC or a real PC? IV. Security 1. How can I prevent users from changing the contents of a folder? 2. How can I password protect my Mac? V. No particular place to go (Miscellaneous Miscellanea) 1. Are there any good books about the Mac? 2. How do I take a picture of the screen? 3. How do I use a picture for my desktop? 4. Can I Replace the ""Welcome to Macintosh"" box with a picture? 5. What is AutoDoubler? SpaceSaver? More Disk Space? Are they safe? 6. How do they compare to TimesTwo, Stacker and eDisk? 7. Where did my icons go? 8. Where can I find a user group? This work is Copyright 1993 by Elliotte M. Harold. Permission is hereby granted to distribute this unmodified document provided that no fee in excess of normal on-line charges is required for such distribution. Portions of this document may be extracted and quoted free of charge and without necessity of citation in normal on-line communication provided only that said quotes are not represented as the correspondent's original work. Permission for quotation of this document in printed material and edited on-line communication (such as the Info-Mac Digest and TidBITS) is given subject to normal citation procedures (i.e. you have to say where you got it). Disclaimer: I do my best to ensure that information contained in this document is current and accurate, but I can accept no responsibility for actions resulting from information contained herein. This document is provided as is and with no warranty of any kind. Corrections and suggestions should be addressed to erh0362@tesla.njit.edu. Apple, Macintosh, LaserWriter, ImageWriter, Finder, HyperCard and MultiFinder are registered trademarks and PowerBook is a trademark of Apple Computer, Inc. Linotronic is a registered trademark of Linotype-Hell AG, Inc. PostScript is a registered trademark and Illustrator and Photoshop are trademarks of Adobe Systems, Inc. Microsoft is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation. PageMaker is a registered trademark of Aldus Corp. AutoDoubler and DiskDoubler are trademarks of Fifth Generation Systems, Inc. StuffIt and StuffIt Deluxe are trademarks of Raymond Lau and Aladdin Systems, Inc. StuffIt SpaceSaver is a trademark of Aladdin Systems, Inc. More Disk Space is a trademark of Alysis Software Corporation. TimesTwo is a trademark of Golden Triangle Computers, Inc. UNIX is a registered trademark of AT&T. All other tradenames are trademarks of their respective manufacturers. This is the FIRST part of the this FAQ. The second part is posted to comp.sys.mac.system and features many questions about system software. The third part is posted every two weeks in comp.sys.mac.misc. Tables of contents for those two pieces are included above. Please familiarize yourself with all three sections of this document before posting. All pieces are available for anonymous ftp from rtfm.mit.edu (18.172.1.27) in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers/macintosh. Except for this introductory FAQ which appears in multiple newsgroups and is stored as general-faq.Z, the name of each file has the format of the last part of the group name followed by ""-faq.Z"", e.g the FAQ for comp.sys.mac.system is stored as system-faq.Z and the FAQ for comp.sys.mac.misc is stored as misc-faq.Z. RTFM stores files as compressed (.Z) BINARY files. If you leave off the .Z at the end of the file name when ""getting"" the file, rtfm will automatically decompress the file before sending it to you. You can also have these files mailed to you by sending an E-mail message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with the line: send pub/usenet/news.answers/macintosh/""name"" in the body text where ""name"" is the name of the file you want as specified above (e.g. general-faq). You can also send this server a message with the subject ""help"" for more detailed instructions. ==================== I HAVE A QUESTION... (1.0) ==================== Congratulations! You've come to the right place. Usenet is a wonderful resource for information ranging from basic questions (How do I lock a floppy disk?) to queries that would make Steve Jobs himself run screaming from the room in terror. (I used ResEdit to remove resources Init #11, WDEF 34, and nVIR 17 from my system file and used the Hex Editor to add code string #A67B45 as a patch to the SFGetFile routine so the Standard File Dialog Box would be a nice shade of mauve. Everything worked fine until I installed SuperCDevBlaster, and now when I use the Aldus driver to print from PageMaker 5.0d4 to a Linotronic 6000 my system hangs. P.S. I'm running System 6.0.2 on a PowerBook 170.) Since the Macintosh newsgroups are medium to high volume, we ask that you first peruse this FAQ list including at least the table of contents for the other pieces of it, check any other relevant on-line resources listed below in question 1.2, especially the FAQ lists for the other Macintosh newsgroups, and RTFM (Read the Friendly Manual) before posting your question. We realize that you are personally incensed that the System is taking up fourteen of your newly-installed twenty megs of RAM, but this question has already made its way around the world three hundred times before, and it's developing tired feet. Finally, before posting to any newsgroup (Macintosh or otherwise), please familiarize yourself with the basic etiquette of Usenet as described in the newsgroup news.announce.newusers. HOW DO I USE THIS DOCUMENT? WHERE CAN I GET IT? (1.1) comp.sys.mac.faq is currently divided into multiple pieces, a general introduction which you're reading now, and specific lists for the newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system and comp.sys.mac.misc. FAQ lists for comp.sys.mac.wanted, comp.sys.mac.apps and comp.sys.mac.hardware are in development. When ready each part will be available in its respective newsgroup. All pieces are available via anonymous ftp from rtfm.mit.edu in the pub/usenet/news.answers/macintosh directory. Except for this document itself which is named general-faq.Z the pieces are named as per the last part of the newsgroup they cover followed by ""-faq"", e.g. system-faq.Z, misc-faq.Z. The .Z means the file is stored compressed so you'll need to ftp it in binary mode and use either MacCompress, StuffIt Deluxe, or the UNIX uncompress command to decompress it. However if you leave off the "".Z"" extension when you ""get"" the file, rtfm will automatically decompress the file before sending it to you. This introductory document is posted to all of the concerned newsgroups. The tables of contents for each of the specific FAQ lists are at the beginning of this file so you should be able to get at least some idea whether your question is answered anywhere else in the FAQ even if you don't have the other parts at hand. It's not always obvious, especially to newcomers, where a particular question or comment should be posted. Please familiarize yourself with the FAQ lists in all the major Macintosh newsgroups before posting in any of them. Which questions appear in which FAQs can serve as a basic guide to what posts belong where. To jump to a particular question search for section-number.question-number enclosed in parentheses. For example to find ""Where can I FTP Macintosh software?"" search for the string ""(2.1)"". To jump to a section instead of a question use a zero for the question number. WHAT OTHER INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE? (1.2) comp.sys.mac.faq provides short answers to a number of frequently asked questions appropriate for the Usenet newsgroup comp.sys.mac.misc and comp.sys.mac.system. Four other files are worthy of particular note: Daryl Spitzer maintains a FAQ list covering Macintosh programming for the newsgroup comp.sys.mac.programmer. It's posted to that group weekly and available for anonymous ftp from ftp.cs.uoregon (128.223.8.8) in /pub/mac. Eric Rosen maintains a frequently asked questions list for comp.sys.mac.comm available in that newsgroup and from rascal.ics.utexas.edu in mac/faq (where the file you're reading now is also irregularly archived). This list answers many frequently asked questions about networking, UNIX and the Mac, telecommunications, and foreign file formats. Norm Walsh has compiled an excellent FAQ for comp.fonts that answers a lot of questions about the various kinds of fonts and cross-platform conversion and printing. It's available in comp.fonts or by ftp from ibis.cs.umass.edu in /pub/norm/comp.fonts/FAQ*. Finally Jim Jagielski maintains a FAQ for comp.unix.aux covering Apple's UNIX environment, A/UX. It's posted every 2 to 3 weeks in comp.unix.aux and news.answers. It's available for anonymous ftp at jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov. WHICH NEWSGROUP SHOULD I POST TO? (1.3) There are no stupid questions, but there are misplaced ones. You wouldn't ask your English teacher how to do the definite integral of ln x between zero and one, would you? So don't ask the programmer newsgroup why your system is so slow when Microsoft Word is in the background. Ignorance of basic netiquette is not an excuse. If you want people to help you, you need to learn their ways of communicating. Posting questions to the proper newsgroup will fill your mailbox with pearls of wisdom (and maybe a few rotten oysters too :-) ). Posting to the wrong newsgroup often engenders a thundering silence. For instance the most common and glaring mispost, one that seems as incongruous to dwellers in the Macintosh regions of Usenet as would a purple elephant to Aleuts in the Arctic, asking a question about networking anywhere except comp.sys.mac.comm, normally produces no useful responses. Posting the same question to comp.sys.mac.comm ensures that your post is read and considered by dozens of experienced network administrators and not a few network software designers. Please post to exactly ONE newsgroup. Do not cross-post. If a question isn't important enough for you to take the extra minute to figure out where it properly belongs, it's not important enough for several thousand people to spend their time reading. For the same reason comp.sys.mac.misc should not be used as a catch-all newsgroup. The breakdown of questions between different newsgroups in this document can also serve as a reasonable guide to what belongs where. Specifically questions about productivity applications (software you bought your Macintosh to run, not software you bought to make your Macintosh run better) should go to comp.sys.mac.apps unless the application is covered in a more specific newsgroup. Communications programs, games, HyperCard, compilers and databases all have more topical comp.sys.mac.* newsgroups. Post questions about non-communications hardware including questions about what software is necessary to make particular hardware work to comp.sys.mac.hardware. Questions about MacOS system software belong in comp.sys.mac.system. Questions about utilities and extensions normally belong in comp.sys.mac.misc. Questions about A/UX go to comp.unix.aux. Detailed questions about Appletalk belong in comp.protocols.appletalk. Direct questions about HyperCard to comp.sys.mac.hypercard. Non-HyperCard programming questions and questions about development environments should go to comp.sys.mac.programmer. ResEdit questions may be posted either to comp.sys.mac.misc, comp.sys.mac.system, or comp.sys.mac.programmer; but generally the netters who inhabit the darker recesses of comp.sys.mac.programmer are considerably more practiced at the art of resource hacking. A general exception to the above rules is that any VERY technical question about an application that actually begins to delve into the how's of a program as well as the what's (Recent example: How does WriteNow which is written entirely in assembly compare to other word processors written in high level languages?) might be better addressed to the programmer newsgroup. For Sale and Want to Buy posts should go to comp.sys.mac.wanted and misc.forsale.computers.mac ONLY. We understand that you're desperate to sell your upgraded 128K Mac to get the $$ for a PowerBook 180; but trust me, anyone who wants to buy it will be reading comp.sys.mac.wanted. Political and religious questions (The Mac is better than Windows! Is not! Is too! Is not! Is too! Hey! How 'bout the Amiga! What about it? Is Not! Is too!) belong in comp.sys.mac.advocacy. Anything not specifically mentioned above probably belongs in comp.sys.mac.misc. Finally don't be so provincial as to consider only the comp.sys.mac newsgroups the appropriate forums for your questions. Many questions about modems in comp.sys.mac.comm are much more thoroughly discussed in comp.dcom.modems. Questions about Mac MIDI are often better handled in comp.music even though it's not a Macintosh specific newsgroup. Shop around. Usenet's a big place and not everything relevant to the Macintosh happens in comp.sys.mac. 4. SOMEONE JUST ASKED WHY THE SYSTEM WAS TAKING UP SIXTEEN OF THEIR TWENTY MEGABYTES OF RAM. SHOULDN'T I PUT MY BRILLIANCE AND WIT ON DISPLAY FOR THE WORLD BY POSTING THE SEVENTEENTH RESPONSE? No. Frequent answers are just as boring and uninteresting as frequent questions. Unless you really have something new to add to the traditional answers (such as the recent discovery that fonts in System 7.1 could eat memory) private E-mail is a much better medium for answering common questions like this one. You might want to add a mention of this FAQ in your E-mail response and a polite suggestion that your correspondent read it before posting future questions. I do read all the newsgroups covered here and have written a small script in MicroPhone II that lets me send PWFAQ's (people with frequently asked questions) the section of this document that answers their question with just the click of a button so please don't feel obligated to respond to someone who cares so little about the answer to their question they can't be troubled to read the FAQ list to get it. === FTP (2.0) === WHERE CAN I FTP MAC SOFTWARE? (2.1) The three major North American Internet archives of shareware, freeware, and demo software are sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6), mac.archive.umich.edu (141.211.165.41), and wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4) which mirrors the other two sites and several others. Wuarchive often holds on to files after other sites remove them for space concerns, and still has files that were deleted from the formerly important site, rascal.ics.utexas.edu. Rascal was notable for storing its files in MacBinary format rather than the less efficient BinHex format common at the other archives. Unless otherwise noted shareware and freeware mentioned in this document should be available at the above sites. To keep traffic on the Internet manageable, Scandinavians should try connecting to ftp.funet.fi (128.214.6.100), ftp.lth.se (130.235.20.3), or sics.se (192.16.123.90) instead. Those in the U.K. should look first at src.doc.ic.ac.uk (146.169.2.1). Continental Europeans can try nic.switch.ch (130.59.1.40), ezinfo.ethz.ch (129.132.2.72), and anl.anl.fr(192.54.179.1). Australian users should try to find what they want at archie.au (139.130.4.6) which mirrors info-mac and mac.archive. Japanese users will find sumex mirrored at ftp.u-tokyo.ac.jp (130.69.254.254). A fourth very important site is ftp.apple.com (130.43.2.3). This is Apple's semi-official repository for system software, developer tools, source code, technical notes, and other things that come more or less straight from Apple's mouth. Some material at this site may not be distributed outside the U.S. or by other sites that don't have an official license to distribute Apple system software. Please read the various README documents available at ftp.apple.com for the detailed info if you're connecting from outside the U.S. or if you wish to redistribute material you find here. CAN I GET SHAREWARE BY E-MAIL? (2.2) The info-mac archives at sumex-aim are available by E-mail from LISTSERV@RICEVM1.bitnet (alternately listserv@ricevm1.rice.edu). The listserver responds to the commands $MACARCH HELP, $MACARCH INDEX, and $MACARCH GET filename. Mac archive files are available from mac@mac.archive.umich.edu. Send it a message containing the words ""help"" and ""index"" (no quotes) on the first two lines of your message for instructions on getting started and a list of the files you may request. You can retrieve files from other sites by using the server at ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com. For details send it a message with just the text ""help"" (no quotes). WHERE CAN I FIND APPLICATION X? (2.3) If you can't find what you're looking for at one of the above sites, try telnetting to your nearest archie server or sending it an E-mail message addressed to archie with the subject ""help."" Archie servers are located at archie.rutgers.edu (128.6.18.15, America), archie.mcgill.ca (132.206.2.3, the original archie server in Canada), archie.au (139.130.4.6, Australia), archie.funet.fi (128.214.6.100, Scandinavia), and archie.doc.ic.ac.uk (146.169.3.7, the U.K. and the continent). These sites index the tens of thousands of files available for anonymous ftp. Login as ""archie"" (no password is needed) and type ""prog filename"" to find what you're looking for or type ""help"" for more detailed instructions. For instance you would type ""prog Disinfectant"" to search for a convenient ftp site for Disinfectant. If the initial search fails to turn up the file you want, try variations on and substrings of the name. For instance if you didn't find Disinfectant with ""prog Disinfectant"", you might try ""prog disi"" instead. Substring searches often hide the gold in a pile of dross. To avoid many erroneous matches add a "".*\.hqx"" to the end of the substring, e.g. ""prog disi.*\.hqx"" Most Mac software available on the net ends in .hqx but almost no UNIX or PC software does. Please check the above archives and ARCHIE personally BEFORE asking where you can find a particular piece of shareware. If you follow the above advice, you should almost never have to ask the net where to find a particular piece of software. CAN SOMEONE MAIL ME APPLICATION X? (2.4) No. Nor will anyone mail you a part of a file from comp.binaries.mac that was corrupt or missed at your site. Please refer to the first questions in this section to find out about anonymous FTP, archie, and automatic E-mail servers. WHAT IS .BIN? .HQX? .CPT? .ETC? (2.5) Most files available by FTP are modified twice to allow them to more easily pass through foreign computer systems. First they're compressed to make them faster to download, and then they're translated to either a binhex (.hqx) or MacBinary (.bin) format that other computers can digest. (The Macintosh uses a special two-fork filing system that chokes most other computers.) BinHex files are 7-bit ASCII text files, while MacBinary files are pure 8-bit binary data that must always be transferred using a binary protocol. How a file has been translated and compressed for transmission is indicated by its suffix. Normally a file will have a name something like filename.xxx.yyy. .xxx indicates how it was compressed and .yyy indicates how it was translated. To use a file you've FTP'd and downloaded to your Mac you'll need to reverse the process. Most files you get from the net require a two-step decoding process. First change the binhex (.hqx) or MacBinary (.bin) file to a double-clickable Macintosh file; then decompress it. Which programs decode which file types is covered in the table below. Also note that most Macintosh telecommunications programs will automatically convert MacBinary files to regular Macintosh files as they are downloaded. *************************************************************************** Suffix: .sit .cpt .hqx .bin .pit .Z .image .dd .zip .uu .tar Extractors -------------------------------------------------------------------------- StuffIt 3.0| X X X X X Compact Pro| X X Packit | X UUTool | X MacCompress| X SunTar | X X X X BinHex 5.0 | X BinHex 4.0 | X DiskDoubler| X X UnZip | X DiskCopy | X macutil | X X X X *************************************************************************** A few notes on the decompressors: StuffIt is a family of products that use several different compression schemes. The freeware StuffIt Expander will unstuff all of them. Versions of StuffIt earlier than 3.0 (StuffIt 1.5.1, StuffIt Classic, UnStuffIt, and StuffIt Deluxe 2.0 and 1.0) will not unstuff the increasing number of files stuffed by StuffIt 3.0. You need to get a more recent version of StuffIt or StuffIt Expander. StuffIt 3.0.5 (Lite and Deluxe) consistently makes smaller archives than any other Macintosh compression utility. To allow maximum space for files on the various ftp sites and to keep net-bandwidth down, please compress all files you send to anonymous ftp sites with StuffIt 3.0.5. UUTool, MacCompress, and SunTar handle the popular UNIX formats of uuencode (.uu), compress (.Z), and tar (.tar) respectively. The UNIX versions are often more robust than the Mac products, so use them instead when that's an option. Translators that allow StuffIt Lite to expand uuencoded and tar files are also available by anonymous ftp. Macutil is dik winter's package of UNIX utilities to decompress and debinhex files on a workstation before downloading them to a Mac. Since UNIX stores files differently than does the Mac, macutil creates MacBinary (.bin) files which should be automatically converted on download. It can't decompress everything. In particular it can't decompress the new StuffIt 3.0 archives. :-( However, if you need only one or two files out of an archive--for instance if you want to read the README to find out if a program does what you need it to do before you download all of it--macutil is indispensable. It can be found at sumex-aim in the info-mac/unix directory. A few notes on the compression formats: .bin: These are MacBinary files. Always use a binary file transfer protocol when transferring them, never ASCII or text. Most files on the net are stored as .hqx instead. Only rascal stores most of its files in .bin format. Most communications programs such as ZTerm and MacKermit are capable of translating MacBinary files on the fly as they download if they know in advance they'll be downloading MacBinary files. .image: This format is normally used only for system software, so that on-line users can download files that can easily be converted into exact copies of the installer floppies. Instead of using DiskCopy to restore the images to floppies, you can use Steve Christensen's freeware utility MountImage to treat the images on your hard disk as actual floppies inserted in a floppy drive. MountImage has a reputation for being buggy, so you should have some blank floppies and a copy of DiskCopy handy just in case. .sea (.x, .X): .sea files don't merit a position in the above table because they're self-extracting. They may have been created with Compact Pro, StuffIt, or even DiskDoubler; but all should be capable of decompressing themselves when double-clicked. For some unknown reason Alysis has chosen not to use this industry standard designation for self-extracting archives created with their payware products SuperDisk! and More Disk Space. Instead they append either .x or .X to self-extracting archives. HOW CAN I GET BINHEX? STUFFIT? ETC.? (2.6) By far the easiest way to get these programs is to ask a human being to copy them onto a floppy for you. If you're at a university there's absolutely no excuse for not finding someone to give you a copy; and if you're anywhere less remote than McMurdo Sound, chances are very good that someone at a computer center, dealership, or user group can provide you with a copy of StuffIt. Once you have StuffIt (any version) you don't need BinHex. If you're such a computer geek that the thought of actually asking a living, breathing human being instead of a computer terminal for something turns you into a quivering mass of protoplasmic jelly, you can probably download a working copy of StuffIt from a local bulletin board system. If you have religious objections to software gotten by any means other than anonymous ftp, then I suppose I'll mention that you can in fact ftp a working copy of StuffIt though this is by far the hardest way to get it. Ftp to wuarchive.wustl.edu and login. Type the word ""binary."" Hit return. Type ""cd mirrors/rascal.ics.utexas.edu/compression"" and hit return. Then ""get StuffIt_Expander_1.0.1_SEA_bin"" and hit return. Of course it's always possible that by the time you read this StuffIt Expander will have been updated and the name changed so if this fails look for something similar. If you've ftp'd straight onto your Mac you should now have a self-extracting archive which will produce a working copy of StuffIt Expander when double-clicked. If you've ftp'd to your mainframe or UNIX account first, you still need to use a modem program to download it to your Mac. Just make sure that the Mac is receiving in MacBinary mode and the mainframe is sending in binary mode. If you need more details on the last step, consult the FAQ list for comp.sys.mac.comm and the manuals for both your mainframe and Macintosh telecommunications software. HOW CAN I GET BINHEX, STUFFIT, ETC. FROM A PC? (2.7) You can't. There is absolutely NO way to get an executable Macintosh file from an ftp site onto a PC and then onto your Mac without some software obtained by means other than anonymous ftp. You MUST beg, borrow, or steal the necessary software such as Binhex or StuffIt Lite from another person. I realize this may terrify those among you who haven't left your parents' basement since you got an Apple II+ in 1980, but eventually you're going to need to link up with some human being other than your mother. (though I suppose if you're this much of a nerd you could send your mother out to get it for you.) While you're gathering your nerves for a venture into the strange and terrifying world of daylight, please don't bother the net by asking this question again. There simply is no way to move executable Macintosh programs from a PC or other non-Macintosh computer onto a Mac without software that is not bundled with most Macs. ================================================================= TROUBLESHOOTING: WHAT TO DO (BEFORE POSTING) WHEN THINGS GO WRONG (3.0) ================================================================= While the various FAQ lists cover a lot of specific problems, there are far more problems that aren't covered here. These are a few basic techniques you should follow before asking for help. You should probably also perform the ten-step preventative maintenance routine described in section four, especially rebuilding the desktop (4.3) and resizing the system heap (4.5). Following these steps may or may not solve your problem, but it will at least make it easier for others to recommend solutions to you. IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM. (3.1) ""Microsoft Word is crashing"" doesn't say much. What were you doing when it crashed? Can you repeat the actions that lead to the crash? The more information you provide about the actions preceding the crash the more likely it is someone can help you. The more precisely you've identified the problem and the actions preceding it (Step 1) the easier it will be to tell if the following steps fix the problem. For example, ""Sometimes QuarkXPress 3.0 crashes with a coprocessor not installed error."" is not nearly as helpful as ""QuarkXPress 3.0 crashes when I link two text boxes on a master page when copies of those text boxes already contain text."" The former will leave you wondering whether the bug remains after a given step. The latter lets you go right to the problem and see if it's still there or not. READ THE READ ME FILE. (3.2) Many companies include a list of known incompatibilities and bugs in their READ ME files. Often these aren't documented in the manual. Read any READ ME files to see if any of the problems sound familiar. CHECK FOR VIRUSES. (3.3) Run Disinfectant or another anti-viral across your disk. Virus infections are rarer than most people think, but they do occur and they do cause all sorts of weird problems when they do. REINSTALL THE APPLICATION AND ALL ITS SUPPORT FILES. (3.4) For half a dozen reasons (external magnetic fields, improperly written software, the alignment of the planets) a file on a disk may not contain the data it's supposed to contain. This can cause all types of unexplained, unusual behavior. Restoring from original masters will normally fix this. REINSTALL THE SYSTEM SOFTWARE. (3.5) Bits are even more likely to get twiddled in the system file than in the application and the effects can be just as disastrous. See question 4.6 for a detailed procedure for performing a clean reinstall. If the problem continues to occur after you've taken these steps, chances are you've found either a conflict between your application and some other software or a genuine bug in the program. So it's time to ISOLATE THE PROBLEM. (3.6) You need to find the minimal system on which the problem will assert itself. Here are the basic steps of isolating the cause of a system or application crash: a. Run only one application at a time. Occasionally applications do conflict with each other. If the problem does not manifest itself without other applications running simultaneously, you can begin launching other applications until you find the one that causes the crash. b. If you're running System 6, turn off MultiFinder. If you're running System 7, allot as much memory to the application as you can afford. Sometimes programs just need more memory, especially when performing complicated operations. c. If you're running System 7, turn off virtual memory and 32-bit addressing. There's still an awful lot of System 7 hostile software out there including some from companies that really have no excuse. (Can you say Microsoft Word 5.1, boys and girls? I knew you could.) Some of this software only expresses its incompatibilities when certain uncommon actions are taken. d. Boot from a virgin system floppy. If the problem disappears you likely have an init conflict. You need to progressively remove extensions until the problem vanishes. Use a little common sense when choosing the first extensions to remove. If the problem occurs when you try to open a file, remove any inits that mess with the Standard File Open procedure such as Super Boomerang first. If the problem remains after the obvious candidates have been eliminated, either remove the remaining extensions one at a time or, if you have a lot of them, perform a binary search by removing half of the extensions at a time. Once the problem disappears add half of the most recently removed set back. Continue until you've narrowed the conflict down to one extension. When you think you've found the offending init restart with only that init enabled just to make sure that it and it alone is indeed causing the problem. CONTACT TECHNICAL SUPPORT. (3.7) By now you should have a very good idea of when, where, and why the conflict occurs. If a tech support number is available for the software, call it. If you're lucky the company will have a work around or fix available. If not, perhaps they'll at least add the bug to their database of problems to be fixed in the next release. ====================== PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE (4.0) ====================== You wouldn't drive your car 100,000 miles without giving it a tune-up. A computer is no different. Regular tune-ups avoid a lot of problems. Although there are Mac mechanics who'll be happy to charge you $75 or more for the equivalent of an oil change, there's no reason you can't change it yourself. The following nine-step program should be performed about every three months. TRASH UNNEEDED FILES (4.1) Many of the operations that follow will run faster and more smoothly the more free disk space there is to work with so spend a little time cleaning up your hard disk. If you're at all like me, you'll find several megabytes worth of preferences files for applications you no longer have, archives of software you've dearchived, shareware you tried out and didn't like, announcements for events that have come and gone and many other files you no longer need. If you're running System 7 you may also have several more megabytes in your trash can alone. Throw them away and empty the trash. RETHINK YOUR EXTENSIONS (4.2) Some Macintoshes attract inits like a new suit attracts rain. Seriously consider whether you actually need every extension in your collection. If you don't use the functionality of an extension at least every fifth time you boot up, you're probably better off not storing it in your System Folder where it only takes up memory, destabilizes your system, and slows down every startup. For instance if you only read PC disks once a month, there's no need to keep AccessPC loaded all the time. Cutting back on your extension habit can really help avoid crashes. REBUILD THE DESKTOP (4.3) The Desktop file/database holds all the information necessary to associate each file with the application that created it. It lets the system know what application should be launched when you open a given file and what icons it should display where. Depending on its size each application has one or more representatives in the desktop file. As applications and files move on and off your hard disk, the Desktop file can be become bloated and corrupt. Think of it as a Congress for your Mac. Every so often it's necessary to throw the bums out and start with a clean slate. Fortunately it's easier to rebuild the desktop than to defeat an incumbent. One warning: rebuilding the desktop will erase all comments you've stored in the Get Info boxes. Under System 7 Maurice Volaski's freeware init CommentKeeper will retain those comments across a rebuild. CommentKeeper also works with System 6 but only if Apple's Desktop Manager extension is also installed. To rebuild the desktop restart your Mac and, as your extensions finish loading, depress the Command and Option keys. You'll be presented with a dialog box asking if you want to rebuild the desktop and warning you that ""This could take a few minutes."" Click OK. It will take more than a few minutes. The more files you have the longer it will take. If you're running System 6 you may want to turn off MultiFinder before trying to rebuild the desktop. If you're experiencing definite problems and not just doing preventive maintenance, you may want to use Fifth Generation's freeware init Desktop Reset. Desktop Reset completely deletes the Desktop file before rebuilding it, thus eliminating possibly corrupt data structures. ZAP THE PRAM AND RESET THE CLOCK (4.4) All Macs from the original 128K Thin Mac to the Quadra 950 contain a small amount of battery powered RAM to hold certain settings that properly move with the CPU rather than with the disk such as which disk to boot from. Unfortunately this ""parameter RAM"" can become corrupted and cause unexplained crashes. To reset it under System 7 hold down the Command, Option, P, and R keys while restarting your Mac. Under System 6 hold down the Command, Option, and Shift keys while selecting the Control Panel from the Apple menu. Click Yes when asked if you want to zap the parameter RAM. Since you've erased almost all the settings in the General Control Panel, you should now reset them to whatever you want. The one setting that zapping the PRAM does not erase is the date and time; but since the internal clock in the Macintosh is notoriously inaccurate you'll probably want to take this opportunity to reset it anyway. RESIZE THE SYSTEM HEAP (4.5) Even after rethinking their extensions as per step two most people still have at least half a row of icons march across the bottom of their screen every time they restart. All these extensions (and most applications too) need space in a section of memory called the System Heap. If the System Heap isn't big enough to comfortably accommodate all the programs that want a piece of it, they all start playing King of the Mountain on the system heap, knocking each other off to get bigger pieces for themselves and trying to climb back on after they get knocked off. All this fighting amongst the programs severely degrades system performance and almost inevitably crashes the Mac. If you're using System 7, your Macintosh will automatically resize the system heap as necessary; but if you're running System 6 it's important to set your system heap size large enough to manage all your extensions and applications. By default this size is set to 128K, way too small for most Macs with any extensions at all. The system heap size is stored in the normally non-editable boot blocks of every system disk. Bill Steinberg's freeware utility BootMan not only lets you resize your system heap but even checks how much memory your heap is already using so it can tell how much needs to be allocated. If you're running System 6, get BootMan, use it, and be amazed at how infrequently your Macintosh crashes. REINSTALL THE SYSTEM SOFTWARE (4.6) System files can become corrupt and fragmented, especially if you've stored lots of fonts and desk accessories inside them. Merely updating the System software will often not fix system file corruption. I recommend doing a clean reinstall. Here's how: 1. Boot from the installer floppy of your System disks. 2. Copy any non-standard fonts and desk accessories out of your System file into a temporary suitcase. 3. Trash the System file on your hard disk. Also trash the Finder, MultiFinder, DA Handler, and all other standard Apple extensions like Control Panel and Chooser. These will all be replaced in the new installation. If you're running or installing System 7, move everything in the Extensions, Control Panels, and Preferences folders into the top level of the System Folder. 4. Rename the System Folder. Any name other than System Folder is fine. 5. Double-click the installer script on your System disk. Then choose Customize... Select the appropriate software for your model Mac and printer. You could do an Easy Install instead, but that will only add a lot of extensions and code you don't need that waste your memory and disk space. 6. Once installation is finished, move everything from the temporary folder you created in step 4 into the new System folder. If you're asked if you want to replace anything, you forgot to take something out in step 3. You'll need to replace things individually until you find the duplicate piece. 7. Reinstall any fonts or DA's you removed in step 2. 8. Reboot. You should now have a clean, defragmented System file that takes up less memory and disk space and a much more stable system overall. DISK UTILITIES (4.7) Much like system files hard disks have data structures that occasionally become corrupted affecting performance and even causing data loss. Apple includes Disk First Aid, a simple utility for detecting and repairing hard disk problems, with its System disks. It's also available for anonymous ftp from ftp.apple.com in the directory dts/mac/sys.soft/hdsc. Even if you have an earlier version, you should get the latest version (7.1) from ftp.apple.com and run it on all your hard disks. Several companies have released payware disk utilities that detect and repair considerably more problems than Disk First Aid though, interestingly, none of them detect and repair everything that Disk First Aid does. The three most effective for general work are Central Point's MacTools Deluxe 2.0, Fifth Generation's Public Utilites, and Symantec's Norton Utilities for the Macintosh 2.0. A department or work group should have all of these as well as Disk First Aid since none of them fix everything the others do. For individuals MacTools ($48 street) is about half the price of Norton ($94 street) or Public Utilities ($98 street) so, features and ease of use being roughly equal, I recommend MacTools. All of these products occasionally encounter problems they can't fix. When that happens it's time to backup (4.7) and reformat (4.9). BACKING UP (4.8) This is one part of preventative maintenance that should be done a LOT more often than every three months. The simplest back up is to merely copy all the files on your hard disk onto floppies or other removable media. If you keep your data files separate from your application and support files then it's easy to only back up those folders which change frequently. Nonetheless every three months you should do a complete backup of your hard disk. A number of programs are available to make backing up easier. Apple included a very basic full backup application with System 6. With the Performas Apple ships a new Apple Backup utility that can backup the entire disk or just the System folder onto floppies. The previously mentioned Norton Utilities for the Mac and MacTools Deluxe 2.0 include more powerful floppy backup utilities that incorporate compression and incremental backups. Finally if you're lucky enough to have a Tape Drive, network server, or removable media device to use for backups, you should check out the more powerful payware utilities Redux ($49 street, doesn't support tape drives) and Diskfit Pro ($74 street). There are NO freely available backup utilities other than the old HD Backup from System 6. DISK DEFRAGMENTATION (4.9) As disks fill up it gets harder and harder to find enough free space in the same place to write large files. Therefore the operating system will often split larger files into pieces to be stored in different places on your hard disk. As files become more and more fragmented performance can degrade. There are several ways to defragment a hard disk. The most tedious but cheapest method is to backup all your files, erase the hard disk (and you might as well reformat while you're at it. See question 4.10.), and restore all the files. A number of payware utilities including Norton Utilities for the Mac and Mac Tools Deluxe can defragment a disk in place, i.e. without erasing it. Although the ads for all these products brag about their safety, once you've bought the software and opened the shrink-wrap they all warn you to back up your disk before defragmenting it in case something does go wrong. There are NO freeware or shareware disk defragmenters so please don't annoy the net by asking for one. REFORMAT YOUR HARD DISK (4.10) Just as a floppy disk needs to be initialized before use, so a hard disk must be formatted before it can hold data. You don't need to reformat every three months; but when your system is crashing no matter what you try, reformatting is the ultimate means of wiping the slate clean. Reformatting your hard disk may even gain you a few extra megabytes of space. Not all hard disks are created equal. Some can hold more data than others. To facilitate mass production and advertising without a lot of asterisks (* 81.3 megabytes is the average formatted capacity. Your mileage may vary.) Apple often formats drives to the lowest common denominator of drive capacity. When you reformat there's no reason at all not to reclaim whatever unused space Apple's left on your disk. Unlike floppies hard disks need a special program to initialize them. Most hard disks come with formatting software. Apple's disks and System software ship with HD SC setup, a minimal disk formatter which will format Apple brand hard drives ONLY. Most other manufacturers ship appropriate formatting software with their hard drives. Normally this will be all you need to reformat your hard disk. A number of general-purpose formatters are also available which go beyond the bundled software to include features like encryption, password protection, multiple partitioning, faster disk access, System 7 compatibility, and even compression. Two of the best are the payware Drive7 and Hard Disk Toolkit Personal Edition ($49 street for either). While there are one or two freeware formatters available, none are likely to be superior to the ones bundled with your hard disk. PowerBook users should be sure to turn off Sleep and processor cycling before reformatting their hard drives no matter what software they use. Otherwise disk corruption, crashes, and data losses are a very good possibility. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1087,"RE: Midwest Micro, Article #61200 (61302 is last): From: wilson@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Bob Wilson) Subject: Re: *** CONSUMER WARNING *** MidWest Micro (Ohio) Date: Thu Apr 22 15:12:28 1993 I posted almost the same bad experience with Midwest Micro but our %^*^&*^&* news program only sent one paragraph out of the middle. In addition to the facts that: (a) the modems (I had ordered two) wouldn't work as documented and (b) the tech person had NO CLUE as to how it should work, it also turned out that: (c) one of the two modems they sent was clearly USED but the techs thought that was standard practice and (d) the modems made all three of my floppy drives quit working and my CMS250 tape drive start running away. That they are incompetent is one thing, but that they sell used stuff as new and won't even apologize for it is another. Stay away from these crooks! Bob Wilson Shown 97%, press for more, 'q' to quit, or 'h' for help wilson@math.wisc.edu End of File, Press RETURN to quit Bob, I have walked into Micro Center here in the Cleveland area and bought a new track ball and picked the only one that was sealed in plastic rap. Only to get it home and oped it up to find a good year old USED dirty old track ball with a warranty card for some software package. I would never even think of installing anything that looked like it was used at all. You should of called Medwest Micro and made them do a PUS PULL TAG on it. They would of picked it up and sent you out a ner one the same day. Things get better in knowing how to but equipment after the FIRST try!",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1088," This happens when your X server has run out of memory. You need more memory or you need to quit any un-neccessary running clients.",comp.graphics 1089," But hanging is certainly painful. Or, do you not let the condemned know they are going to die? Hanging is not supposed to be very pleasant. I believe that in actuality, it is not ""quick and clean"". However, gas chambers can be quite non-painful. Heck, why not give them a good time? Suffication by Nitrious Oxide! =) --- Private note to Jennifer Fakult. ""This post may contain one or more of the following: sarcasm, cycnicism, irony, or humor. Please be aware of this possibility and do not allow yourself to be confused and/or thrown for a loop. If in doubt, assume all of the above.",alt.atheism 1090," I have a few 12"" composite monochrome monitors for sale. Magnovax Computer Monitor 80, Model number BM7650 074B. RCA type input for video only. (no audio). Power, Brightness and Contrast dials in front, V and H hold and position controls on the back. Nice little monitor that can be used for PCs, Amigas, your VCR, security monitor. Excellent condition. I am asking for $40 plus shipping and COD (not to exceed $10) if applicable. ",misc.forsale 1091,"In eggertj@moses.ll.mit.edu When I was in Jerusalem a couple of years ago, our guide told us the story of that mosque - not sure if it was true. Apparently, it was built by a Jewish convert to Islam. He had had a dispute with his neighbours, and built the mosque ""davka"" to annoy them. It's a cute story, but not sure if it's true... ",talk.politics.mideast 1092,"OK, with all the discussion about observed playback speeds with QuickTime, the effects of scaling and so on, I thought I'd do some more tests. First of all, I felt that my original speed test was perhaps less than realistic. The movie I had been using only had 18 frames in it (it was a version of the very first movie I created with the Compact Video compressor). I decided something a little longer would give closer to real-world results (for better or for worse). I pulled out a copy of ""2001: A Space Odyssey"" that I had recorded off TV a while back. About fifteen minutes into the movie, there's a sequence where the Earth shuttle is approaching the space station. Specifically, I digitized a portion of about 30 seconds' duration, zooming in on the rotating space station. I figured this would give a reasonable amount of movement between frames. To increase the differences between frames, I digitized it at only 5 frames per second, to give a total of 171 frames. I captured the raw footage at a resolution of 384*288 pixels with the Spigot card in my Centris 650 (quarter-size resolution from a PAL source). I then imported it into Premiere and put it through the Compact Video compressor, keeping the 5 fps frame rate. I created two versions of the movie: one scaled to 320*240 resolution, the other at 160*120 resolution. I used the default ""2.00"" quality setting in Premiere 2.0.1, and specified a key frame every ten frames. I then ran the 320*240 movie through the same ""Raw Speed Test"" program I used for the results I'd been reporting earlier. Result: a playback rate of over 45 frames per second. That's right, I was getting a much higher result than with that first short test movie. Just for fun, I copied the 320*240 movie to my external hard disk (a Quantum LP105S), and ran it from there. This time the playback rate was only about 35 frames per second. Obviously the 230MB internal hard disk (also a Quantum) is a significant contributor to the speed of playback. I modified my speed test program to allow the specification of optional scaling factors, and tried playing back the 160*120 movie scaled to 320*240 size. This time the playback speed was over 60 fps. Clearly, the poster who observed poor performance on scaled playback was seeing QuickTime 1.0 in action, not 1.5. I'd try my tests with QuickTime 1.0, but I don't think it's entirely compatible with my Centris and System 7.1... Unscaled, the playback rate for the 160*120 movie was over 100 fps. The other thing I tried was saving versions of the 320*240 movie with ""preferred"" playback rates greater than 1.0, and seeing how well they played from within MoviePlayer (ie with QuickTime's normal synchronized playback). A preferred rate of 9.0 (=> 45 fps) didn't work too well: the playback was very jerky. Compare this with the raw speed test, which achieved 45 fps with ease. I can't believe that QuickTime's synchronization code would add this much overhead: I think the slowdown was coming from the Mac system's task switching. A preferred rate of 7.0 (=> 35 fps) seemed to work fine: I couldn't see any evidence of stutter. At 8.0 (=> 40 fps) I *think* I could see slight stutter, but with four key frames every second, it was hard to tell. I guess I could try recreating the movies with a longer interval between the key frames, to make the stutter more noticeable. Of course, this will also improve the compression slightly, which should speed up the playback performance even more...",comp.graphics 1093," Bowman is in the Hockey Hall of Fame as a coach already...and unlike Gil Stein...he didn't get their by stacking the Board of Directors! -) Bowman is the genius...Johnson isn't. Bowman is a great coach...Johnson, a very good one. However, Bowman is really not a modern coach, and Patrick's solution of having him only run the team on game days, and delegate most of the day-to-day responsibity to the assistants is a shrewd managerial decision on Patrick's part. ",rec.sport.hockey 1094," The Associated Press had an article on Monday March 1, I believe, which quoted witnesses as describing BATF agents throwing grenades prior to any gunfire on the part of the Davidians. It was among the first of a crop of different, mutually exclusive descriptions.",talk.politics.guns 1095,"I have the following Snes Games forsale. The ones with * have instructions and the other ones have no instructions. *Romance of the Three Kingdoms II $25 *Populous $15 Legend of Zelda A link to the past $10 Soul Blazer $10 Please reply by e-mail to jth@bach.udel.edu. I ask for $3 for S&H for one game, if you buy more than one I still only need $3.",misc.forsale 1096," [detailed explanation deleted..] Indeed, you have struck right at the heart of our disagreement. To rebut my opinion, you have made an analogy with a game of chance. Your hypothesis assumes that the Lotto players have no impact on the selection of the numbers, and hence their ability to win. Well, that's certainly true in Lotto. But it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the sport of baseball. When you start down the wrong path, you finish down the wrong path. I repeat. I do not think that statistical analysis of prior clutch hitting performance is an accurate predictor of future clutch hitting performance. I do, however, think that analysis of prior clutch hitting performance may, for some players, indicate a deficiency in their game that indeed will provide a basis for projecting their particular future performance. And I think Chris Sabo is such a player. -- The Beastmaster ",rec.sport.baseball 1097,"Oh come on, Josh! ",None 1098,"/Yes, a lot of what OS/2 2.0 has in common with OS/2 1.x was written by you /guys. However, many of the things that made OS/2 2.0 so much more successful /(Win-OS/2, Workplace Shell) than previous versions were IBM work. Yes, certainly. It was IBM that wrote the Windows code!!!",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1099,"The MOTIF application consists of multiple Transient shells as children of a single TopLevel shell: +-----------+ +---------------+ +----------------+ +-----------+ +---------------+ | +----------------+ | | +----------------+ |-| TransientShell | | +----------------+ | While a Transient shell is popped-up, my application modifies the sensitivity of a button in the TopLevel shell which is hidden by the Transient shell window. When the Transient shell is popped-down, the button sensitivity is correct but the button text remains unchanged (i.e., solid/shaded). Subsequent selection of the button causes the text to revert to the correct visual state. When tracing event messages sent to the application, many of the events seen under mwm are not present under OpenWindows.",comp.windows.x 1100,"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."" Acts 1:8 ",soc.religion.christian 1101,"You can try SGS L6217A, it can achieve 256 current level(microstep), teere is a circuit in the SGS-THOMSON - "" Smart Power Applicatio Manual"", order code for the manual is AMSMARTPOWERST/1 Best regards,",sci.electronics 1102,"It's a toll for insurance companies and auto dealers to rip you off in case of accident or trade-in. Charlie Ellis chellis@nyx.cs.du.edu",rec.autos 1103," I don't see this as a problem with the chip-set (a mistake), I see this as something that was designed-in intentionally. So it would seem that to enhance the design (from 24 to 32-bit EISA DMA) would require an update to the chipset. An update to the chipset may begat an update to the motherboard board design. What I'm saing is: The motherboard manufacturer seems to be passing this off as a simple fix. In my mind the fix is a updated chipset from HINT along with a possible motherboard layout update. This is not simple. If I were you I would be cautious about this. You might look into the Advanced Integration Research (AIR) VL/EISA motherboard. All slots are EISA/ISA capable. 2 (or 3) of the slots are VL-bus capable. The AIR people confirmed this board supports 'real' 32-bit EISA DMA (I called them). Pentium/P5 (?) capable. Less expensive than equivalent AMI or Micronics VL/EISA board. Look in Computer Shopper (April '93). The ZENON ads show the AIR mother- board. A associate bought the AIR board and is pleased with it. I'm attempting to get the local dealer to trade out the HAWK board for the AIR board. Model number of AIR board (with 486-33DX) is B433EI2. You can call Motherboard Warehouse (for example) for a price. Phone #'s included below. AIR (408)-428-0800 Motherboard Warehouse (800)-486-9975 ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1104,"Help, I've got an applications with a series of pushbuttons across the top (a toolbar). I wanted to add eventhandlers to these pushbuttons on EnterWindowMask and LeaveWindowMask so that I can put up some descriptive text about the function of each pushbutton as the pointer crosses over it. I've done this fine, but I've turned up the following problem: When the pushbuttons are sensitive I get callbacks on both of the above events, but when they are not sensitive I only get callbacks on LeaveWindow events. This seems odd. I would expect this to be an all-or-nothing type of thing. Is this a bug? If not, can someone explain this behavior? thanks,",comp.windows.x 1105,"this is a repost... I like to find out more about this also... *** Message Part 2: Text **************************************** The COSE announcement specifies that Motif will become the common GUI. But what does this mean exactly? - Do they mean that all ""COSE-complient"" apps will have the Motif look and feel? - Do they mean that all ""COSE-complient"" apps will use the Motif toolkit API? - Do they mean both of the above? - Is it possible that there will be a Motif-API complient toolkit with an OpenLook Look & Feel? - How about an OLIT/XView/OI/Interviews API toolkit with a Motif L & F? (I know OI already does this, but will this be considered COSE-complient?) - Will there be more than one ""standard"" toolkit API or L & F supported? - How does using ToolTalk fit in with Motif? This is my attempt to start a discussion in order to pull as much knowledge about these questions off the net... Feel free to e-mail or followup. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Gil Tene ""Some days it just doesn't pay - -- devil@imp.HellNet.org to go to sleep in the morning."" - -- devil@diablery.10A.com -",comp.windows.x 1106,"[synopsis] Young man with inguianl hernia on one side, repaired, now has new hernia on other side. What gives, he asks? [and he continues...] There is the possibility that there is some degree of constipation causing chronic straining which has caused the bowel movements. The classic problems that are supposed to be looked for in someone with a hernia are constipation, chronic cough, colon cancer (and you're not too young for that) and sitting for long periods of time at the computer, reading news. Good Luck with your surgery!",sci.med 1107," I ran into this about six months ago. My system is a GW2000 486DX/66V, 8 megs RAM, 1Meg ATI GUP VLB. It seems the problem is that the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro card consumes the COM4 port for some reason, so only COM1-3 are available. I believe this is documented somewhere in the system manuals, but I can't recall where. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1108,"es: xv 3.0 (shareware) supports 24-bit displays, and has lots of other improvements over earlier versions. Definitely worth checking out (also at export) Jean. -- Jean Liddle Computer Science, Illinois State University e-mail: jliddle@ilstu.edu ",comp.graphics 1109," I assumed he was referring to OS/2's 32-bit flat model addressing while DOS (and therefore Windows) use 20-bit segmented addressing. As a programmer, I agree that segmentation unnecessarily complicates things. It's annoying, too. But when just a Windows user, I don't think about it much. And, I doubt many other people think about it (or even care) when just writing a document, calcing a spreadsheet, etc...It works and they get their work done. Just a neutral comment: It's funny, I think, how arguments about Windows vs OS/2 sound so very similar to arguments about Atheism vs Christianity or something like that. It's somehow very personal to people. Convictions are irrational and there's nothing wrong with that--it's just...interesting.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1110," >> conference calls? >It's not Clipper, it's any encryption system. I've seen a number of >designs; they generally involve a multi-line cleartext bridge. A 'multi-line cleartext bridge?"" ^^^^^^^^^ And just were would you put that bridge? If it isn't at one of the receiptants location, forget encryption at all. You have blown any security you thought you might have had. Most of the people using encrypted conference bridges these days are military (or equivalent, like CIA and other embassy personnel), so putting bridges on the recipient's location is normal - it's in a vault on a military base or Ft. Meade, and the secure phones are in sound-proof rooms with big locks on the doors because they're talking about Classified Stuff (or Golf with Other Generals.) That paradigm will change as we start using encrypted phones in our offices or homes to carry on normal conversations about dinner plans and stock purchases and meeting schedules and technical info and the good batch of illegal frop that we got last weekend from Bob; most people don't use sound-proof vaults, and may use bridges in their PBX or from the local phone company (3-way calls) or Long Distance or value-added phone company (e.g. Alliance conference bridges). If Clipjack is mainly used for the radio portion of cellular phones, the conferencing aspects don't change. But there may be a market niche for trusted conference-bridge providers, though I suppose the inquisitors would try to get a blanket wiretap authorization for many bridges, just in case a Bad Guy might use the service.",sci.crypt 1111,"[material deleted] [deletions] I don't necessarily object to the secrecy but I do question it, since I see no Biblical reason why any aspect of Christian worship should involve secrecy. But I am interested in your claim that early Christian practices ""parallel"" Mormon temple ceremonies. Could you give an example? Also, why do they only parallel Mormon ceremonies? Why don't Mormon ceremonies restore the original Christian practices? Wasn't that the whole point of Joseph Smith's stated mission?",soc.religion.christian 1112,"-| I am taking a course entitled ""Exploring Science Using Internet"". -| For our final project, we are to find a compendium of Internet resources -| dealing with a science-related topic. I chose Astronomy. Anyway, I was -| wondering if anyone out there knew of any interesting resources on Internet -| that provide information on Astronomy, space, NASA, or anything like that. -| -| THANKS! -| -| KEITH MALINOWSKI -| STK1203@VAX003.Stockton.EDU -| P.O. Box 2472 -| Stockton State College -| Pomona, New Jersey 08240 Try doing a keyword search under Gopher using Veronica or accessing a World Wide Web server. Also finger yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu for a list of Internet resources which includes 2-3 sites with Space-specific information. I am sure Ron Baalke will have told you about what is available at JPL etc.. best regards Ata <(|)>.",sci.space 1113," ... in response to which ... [ ... ] ... and ... [ ... ] ... and ... [ ... ] Hey, guys. You're absolutely correct, and well on the way to winning this battle ... and losing the war. Yes, there are serious philosophical flaws in HR 1276. Technical ones, too -- how'd you like to sue the Feds, lose, and have to pay _their_ ""reasonable Attorney's fee"" ... ? :-) Still, I have one basic question: compared to what we've _got_ is HR 1276 (a) better, or (b) worse? This one shouldn't even take you three guesses. If there's a good enough show of support for HR 1276, maybe for a change _we_ could be the ones saying ""it's a reasonable first step"" ...",talk.politics.guns 1114,"I feel compelled to complain: the statement that recent observations rule out merging neutron stars as sources of gamma-ray bursts is utterly false, even though it is popular enough to make it to BATSE press releases. The idea behind the statement is as follows: ""if you smack two neutron stars together, or have a neutron star be gobbled up by a black hole, a lot of energy is released, enough for a gamma-ray burst at a cosmological distance. But, so the reasoning continues, this energy is released below a lot of matter, so the radiation becomes thermalized and you expect to see roughly a blackbody spectrum. The observed spectra are strongly non-thermal, so this model must be wrong."" As so often, the fault lies with the imagination of the person who was trying to prove the model wrong rather than with the model. It may be that the initial energy release is not seen as a gamma-ray burst, but the 'fireball' of energy and matter that is created may spew out a relativistic flow. When this slams into the surrounding medium, a strong flux of non-thermal gamma rays results, which may carry off a substantial fraction of the initial total energy. All this is not my idea: it is in a series of papers by Martin Rees, Peter Meszaros (sorry for the missing accents:-) and co-workers. It is certainly not a complete model, but it may well be the best one around (summing over all proposed distance scales). An alternative proposal for what creates the initial fireball, by the way, is the so-called 'failed supernovae' scenario by Stan Woosley, in which a very massive star at the end of its life collapses to a black hole. If the stellar core was rotating, part of the infalling matter will be temporarily halted because it is supported by centrifugal force, and form a very dense neutron torus that accretes onto the black hole. This beast may spew out a jet along the rotation axis, which again constitutes relativistic flow. The rate of such events may be much higher than that of neutron star mergers, but the flux may be more strongly beamed, so that the net rate of bursts observed on Earth stays the same between the two scenarios, but the energy released per event can be a lot less in the failed supernova scenario. On another note: I do believe that the distance scale must ultimately be resolved via some classical astronomical method such as finding counterparts to the bursts at other wavelengths, or finding a definitive signature of some known class of objects in the distribution of positions and fluxes. Theorists have historically not been too successfull in finding the distance of any object by proving that there is only one possible way in which the object can work, and therefore it *must* be so-and-so.",sci.space 1115,"Here is a press release from the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. Unions Point To Deadly Workplaces; AFSCME, Other Unions Commemorate Workers Memorial Day To: National Desk, Labor Writer Contact: Janet Rivera of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, AFL-CIO, 202-429-1130 WASHINGTON, April 23 -- The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) and other unions of the AFL-CIO on Wednesday, April 28, will commemorate the fifth annual Workers Memorial Day -- a day to pay homage to the 6 million workers who are killed, injured, or diseased on the job. This year, AFSCME will focus its Workers Memorial Day efforts an the dangerous environment in which corrections officers must work. Earlier this month, an AFSCME corrections officer, Robert Vallandingham, was killed by inmates who overtook the corrections facility in Lucasville, Ohio. The law and order agenda of the 1980s has resulted in a steady increase in the prison population for the past five years. On Jn. 1, 1992, the prison population was 709,587. Projections show a continued increase in the number of inmates, with an expected prison population of 811,253 in 1994. The conditions which this burgeoning prison population has created for corrections officers is partially reflected in the number of assaults by inmates against staff. Assaults against staff increased dramatically between 1987 and 1989, and remain high. In 1987, there were 808 assaults by inmates against staff, compared to 9,961 such assaults in 1991. The increased number of inmates has brought on the dangerous combination of overcrowding and understaffing. For example in Ohio officer-to-inmate ratio is 1 to 8.4 -- the second worst ratio in the nation. The national average is 1 to 5.3. Other health and safety issues facing corrections officers include AIDS, Hepatitis B, tuberculosis, stress, and chemical hazards. AFSCME has more than 50,000 members who work in the nation's federal, state and local correctional facilities. Correction officers are not alone in performing their jobs under life-threatening conditions. Every year, 10,000 American workers die from job-related injuries, and tens of thousands more die from occupational disease. Public employees do some of the nation's most dangerous jobs. Perilous occupations include: -- Highway Workers - Highway workers are often injured and frequently killed by moving traffic because work zones are not barricaded or don't have proper lighting. -- Health Care Workers - Hospitals have the highest number of job-related injuries and illnesses of any private sector employer and nursing homes ranked fifth. There were more than 325,000 job-related illnesses and injuries in private sector hospitals in 1991, up almost 10 percent over the previous year. It is generally believed that health care workers employed at public sector hospitals and nursing homes have a significantly higher rate of injuries and illnesses than do their private sector counterparts. Health and safety issues facing health care workers include exposure to tuberculosis and the HIV virus, back injuries, and high levels of stress. -- Social Workers - Social workers who work in mental health institutions are often the victims of assaults and, sometimes, fatal attacks. For instance, last October, a man carrying a semiautomatic handgun walked into the Schuyler County Social Services Building in Watkins Glenn, N.Y. and fatally shot social services workers, before turning the gun on himself. There are two basic problems. First is a growing lack of support services for people who don't have the help they need. Because workers are overworked, some clients are not given the adequate amount of counselling. Such conditions may cause clients to become more frustrated. The ""quality"" of the clients is also becoming more violent, as more are moved out of the institutions. Nearly 2 million workers have been killed by workplace hazards since OSHA was passed. Moreover, as AFSCME President Gerald W. McEntee explains, OSHA does not provide workplace safety protections for public employees. ""More than 1,600 public employees are killed each year on the job, yet 27 states still provide no federally-approved OSHA coverage for public employees,"" said McEntee. ""This, despite the fact that public employees -- highway workers, health care workers, corrections officers, to name but a few -- do some of the most dangerous work in our society. This year we are fighting for passage of OSHA reform legislation to give all workers greater rights and protections, and finally guarantee all public employees safe workplaces. We need the public support to be successful."" Government workers suffer 25 percent more injuries than private sector workers, and these injuries are almost 75 percent more severe. Public employees were exempted from OSHA when the law was passed in 1970 and today, public employees in more than half the states have no OSHA coverage. -30-",sci.med 1116," This was a popular belief in the Judaism of Jesus` time, that Elijah would return again (as he had been taken in to heaven in a chariot and did not actually die). However Jesus was referring to John the Baptist not in the sense that Elijah was reincarnated as John (remember Elijah didn`t die) but that John was a similar prophet to Elijah. John was a fiery preacher, he wore sackcloth and wandered rough through Israel preaching the coming kingdom. The verses that describe him (in Mark`s gospel) can be linked to OT references about Elijah. Hence John was similar to Elijah and Jesus was drawing the parallels between the two just as he drew parallels with the Suffering Servant in Isaiah (and other messianic figures) and himself. A brief reply but I don`t have time to look up all the relevant stuff. Suffice to say there is a very strong explanation. Rick. ________________________________________________________________ Richard Johnston Queen`s University 73 Malone Road Belfast Belfast Northern Ireland BT9 6SB ",soc.religion.christian 1117,"Please note that my above comment was not intended as a flame of Ken's call for Congressional leadership to conduct a proper investigation. It was merely to call attention to the hazard of having Specter involved. If anyone took it that way, I apologize.",talk.politics.guns 1118,"Hi, I am looking an integrated circuits for my Z80-based computer. The circuit is called Z80-STI (Serial Timer Interrupt), MK3801, and made by Mostek. Mostek is called SGS Thompson today. I have been in contact with SGS Thompson, unfortunately they me told that Z80-STI is obsolete. So, my question is if anyone know if I can get hold of that circuits. Are there any companies that specialize in selling circuits that are no longer in production? I have contacted several electronic brokers in Sweden, but without any success. I would appreciate if you could give me hint where I should continue looking. Even companies in the United States would be fine, since this circuit is pretty crucial to me. Thanks in advance. ",sci.electronics 1119,"The following is based on copies I was given of some articles published in Hearing Instruments. I would appreciate any comments about this and other 'new' technology for hearing aids. The ReSound system was developed on the basis of some research at AT&T and appears to take a different approach from other aids. It appears to me that a new 'programmable' aid like the Widex just uses a more flexible (and programmable) version of the classical approach of amplifying some parts of the spectrum more than others and adding some compression to try and help out in 'noisy' situations. The major difference in the ReSound approach is that it divides the spectrum into low and high frequencies (splitting point is programmable), apparently based on the fact that lots of vowel information can be found in the low frequencies, while the important consonant information (unfortunately for me) is in the high frequencies. The two bands then are treated with different compression schemes which are programable. They have also developed a new fitting algorythm that builds on what they call 'abnormal growth of loudness'. This latter is interesting and fits my own personal experience, though I think the phrase is missleading. What appears to be the case is that as you exceed the minimum threshold for a person with hearing loss, the deficit becomes progresslively less compared to normals and by the time you reach the 'too loud' point the sensitivity curves appear to converge. This means that if you just boost all sound levels, you are overloading at the high end for people with hearing losses. Hence what you want is progressively less amplification as the signal get closer to the maximum tolerable point. You want to boost low volume sounds more than high and do so potentially differently for the low and high frequency parts of the spectrum (specially for someone like me who is relatively normal up to 1000 cps and then falls off a cliff). Aids with simple compressors don't descriminate between energy in the low and high frequencies and can therefor 'compress' useful high frequency information because of high volume of low frequency components. Particularly impressive was the ReSound performance with whispered speech and in simulated restaurant noise situations. ",sci.med 1120,":>Sounds to me like someone was pulling your leg. There is only one way for :>pregnancy to occur: intercourse. These days however there is also :>artificial insemination and implantation techniques, but we're speaking of :>""natural"" acts here. It is possible for pregnancy to occur if semen is :>deposited just outside of the vagina (i.e. coitus interruptus), but that's :>about at far as you can get. Through clothes -- no way. Better go talk :>to your biology teacher. : : what is the likely hood of conception if sperm is deposited just outside :the vagina? ie. __% chance. : ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmm.... I really don't know. Probably quite low overall. Why don't we get a couple hundred willing couples together and find out ;-> ",sci.med 1121,"Apparently needing to clarify his comments from Thursday, Dr. Nizam Plawaby (spelling?), the Medical Examiner for Tarrant County, Texas, who has authority in the Waco deaths, stated that since no autopsies had been performed, there is no evidence for bullet wounds, or evidence against bullet wounds. Janet Reno also stated that she had never been told of bullet wounds by anyone in the Justice Department. ",talk.politics.guns 1122,"There is a good report list on most all of the good monitors in this months issue of Computer Shoppers magazine, with their phone munbers and all (April issue) $2.99....Sam",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1123," Perhaps one other thing I should have added is that Jeremiah's prophesies about the coming destruction of Jerusalem would have been understood by the people of that time to be a full frontal assault on their understanding of their relationship with the Lord. Today the if the general populace hears ""prophesies"" like the Portland earthquake or New York will burn ones, they are unlikely to see it in the context of their relationship (or lack of it) with the Lord. They are far more likely to think that they are just the result of the fevered imaginations of a religious nutter. That is one reason why I am always deep;y suspicious of bald judgement prophesies without any explanation of the reasons for the judgement. This doesn't have to be long winded. To see a relatively modern example look at Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural speech. The relevant section is below. It is this type of spiritual insight which was missing in both prophesies posted here. --- Excerpt from Abraham Lincoln's 2nd Inaugural speech---- Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not he answered that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. ''Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh"" If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offences which, in the provdence of God, must needs come but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove and that He gives to both North and South, this terrible war, as the woe due to those by whom the offence came, shall we discern therein an departure from those divine attribute which the believers in a Living God always ascribe to Him ? Fondly do we hope - fervently do we pray - that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said ""the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether"" With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan - to do all which may achieve and cherish a just, and a lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations. -- ___ Bill Rea (o o) -------------------------------------------------------------------w--U--w---",soc.religion.christian 1124," [edited] Well for starters, why use rle files? You might have a specific program that needs them, OK, but I tend to convert straight to jpeg format, thus a 2.4meg 24bit targa file becomes a ~80k or less 24bit jpeg. The latest versions of XV (2.2.1 ?) and xloadimage (3.03) both handle jpeg files. And the best way to convert to jpeg is with the c/djpeg suit. Even at 90% quality (you can't see the difference) the jpeg is way smaller than anything else even an 8bit gif! Later'ish Craig",comp.graphics 1125," I've seen children do this and wondered about something. If the mucus in one's nose collects (filters) particles going into the airway, if a child then picks and ingests this material, might it have a vaccinatory effect, since if the body ingests airborne diseases or other 'stuff' on the mucus, the body might generate antibodies for this small ""invasion""? Maybe this is why some children don't get sick very often? :-) - tom",sci.med 1126," Sorry -- I mean eicosapentaenoic acid. Coincidentaly, just yesterday I was (finally) referred from the clinic to Hanauer. I'm seeing him on May 24. I'll report what he says about this question. Will do.",sci.med 1127," Perhaps the listlessness caused by thyroid deficiency could mimic depression, or feeling unable to do anything could cause one to get depressed, but I know of no specific effect on the brain caused by the thyroid that would cause depression. Note that weight gain is usually a symptom of both. Simple blood tests would indicate if a thyroid condition is present. I don't know if depression would cause a reduction in thyroid output, but I would tend to doubt it. As far as I know clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, and that chemical imbalance has no direct effect on any other part of the body. A regular everyday depression IMHO should not cause a chemical imbalance in the body at all. The pituitary bases its secretions of Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) on the level of circulating Thyroxin (there are two types T3 and T4 - one is used as a reserve and is changed into the other -active- form in the liver). The ratio of T3 & T4 can be affected by a number of other hormones (estrogen, for example). Naturally, changing activity of the body's cells would cause changes in availabilty of free thyroxin, but the liver and a healthy thyroid should be able to balance things out in short order. Good sources for info on the thyroid are the Merk Manual (a physician's reference book ) although reading it is enough to get one depressed :-) and the Encyclopedia Brittanica (should be available in your local library). I hope this has been of some help.",sci.med 1128,": : |> Derek.... : |> : |> There is a tool available to reset the service indicator on BMWs but the lights : |> will come back on after 2-3 weeks. The tool is in fact illegal (in Europe : |> atleast). It is often the case that the unsuspecting punter trots off to buy a : |> used BMW and a few weeks later, all the lights come on! Other than that, I know : |> of no other tool.... anyone else? : |> : Shaz, : : Hmm.. but the service indicators that I have works this way: : There are 5 green,1 yellow, 1 red indicators. : initially all green indicators will be on for few minutes when you start : your car. The computer will actually ""sense"" how you drive your car and : as time goes by the green indicators will start to go off one by one and : then the yellow indicator will turn on and then the red indicator will go : on. And you should get service when by the time green indicators are off. : : After service the mechanic(or you) will reset the service indicators and the : computer starts counting again. : : So I expect to have a tool(or a procedure) to reset it so the green lights will : come on and the yellow and red lights will go off. : : I wonder how people can do oil change themself without knowing how to reset the : indicator. : : It's the first european car I have and changing oil at 15,000 miles is a : surprise to me. and it's a big plus :-). But I wonder how that could happen : since the oil lose its lubrication ability over time, I thought it's the oil and : not the vehicle that determines how often we should change oil. : : Any BMW owner on the net? Response welcomed. : : PS. my initial question is ""how do you seset the service indicator of a BMW"" : : Derek There is a perfectly legal tool available to reset the Bimmer service lights. It will cost you 45$ from a mailorder, and buying one far outweighs the possible consequences of destroying all the electronics if you try di it yourself. You wonder how people do an oil change without knowing how it reset. Why is reseting so important? The only reason for doing it is stop the annoyance of a red light staring at you. Forget this 'in european cars you only need to change the oil every 15000' crap. Anyone serious about keeping their engine in good shape, and extending its life, will change it every 3000, (inc filter). Don't wait for the servive lights to come on before servicing the car. I bought a bmw about 6 months ago, it had 3 green lights on. I have changed the oil every 3000, completly flushed brake fliud, changed all filters(oil, air and fuel, changed transmission and drive oils and done almost all of the other things req for service 1 and a service 2. After nearly 6000 miles, I am still on 2 green lights. After a winter in Burlington (and it is snowing today!!) that is not bad. Good luck! Blair -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blair E. Robertson A New Zealander in Vermont University of Vermont posting his own ideas......... Medical Research Facilty Smooth Muscle Ion Channel Group Colchester Vermont 05446-2500 email blair@northpole.med.uvm.edu Telephone: (802) 656-8930",rec.autos 1129,"As I announced at the X Technical Conference in January, I would like to make Imake-TeX, the Imake support for using the TeX typesetting system, publically available. Currently Imake-TeX is in beta test here at the computer science department of Dortmund University, and I am looking for some more beta testers, preferably with different TeX and Imake installations. -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute I R B : immer richtig beraten Univ. Dortmund, IRB Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-W4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386",comp.windows.x 1130,"------------------------------------------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPERS The Eighth International Symposium on Computer and Information Sciences ISCIS VIII November 3 - 5, 1993, Antalya, Turkey Organized by EHEI Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Informatique, Paris, France METU Middle East Technical University, Ankara, Turkey in cooperation with IEEE Computer Society Turkey Chapter, IEEE Turkey Section and the following universities: Bogazici, Ege, Hacettepe, Istanbul Teknik, Yildiz. ISCIS Advisory Board: E.Arkun, E.Gelenbe, U.Halici, E.Harmanci, K.Inan, Y.Karsligil, S.Kuru, N.Yalabik, U. Yarimagan, S.Yilmaz Conference Chair Program Co-Chairs Publicity Chair -------------------- ------------------------ ---------------------- Erol Gelenbe, L. Gun, IBM, USA Ugur Halici, METU Duke University, USA R. Onvural,IBM, USA halici@vm.cc.metu.edu.tr erol@egr.duke.edu P. Quinton,IRISA, France halici@trmetu.bitnet Program Committee ----------------- V. Akman, Turkey, E. Alpaydin, Turkey, E. Arkun, Turkey, I. Aybay, Turkey, S. Bilgen, Turkey, A. Dogac, Turkey, A. Dogramaci, Turkey, S. Fdida, France, J.M. Fourneau, France, E. Gelenbe, USA, G. Gonenc, Turkey, U. Halici, Turkey, E. Harmanci, Turkey, K. Inan, Turkey, S. Jaehnischen,Germany, S. Kuru, Turkey, M. Nivat, France, V. Paschos, France, N.Pekergin, France, J.F. Perrot, France, M. Raynal,France, A. Stafylopatis, Greece, G. Stamon,France, G. Ucoluk, Turkey, N. Yalabik, Turkey Publicity Committee ------------------- Isik Aybay, Osman Basbugoglu, Semih Bilgen, Emin Germen, Mert Sungur ISCIS VIII is the eighth of a series of meetings which have brought together computer scientists and engineers from about twenty countries. This year's conference will be held in the beautiful Mediterranean resort city of Antalya, in a region rich in natural as well as historical sites. RESEARCH PAPERS ARE SOUGHT IN THE FOLLOWING AREAS: -------------------------------------------------- Theory of Computer Science - Computer Architecture & Systems Artificial Intelligence - Neural Networks Graphics and Image Processing - Computational Mathematics Operations Research Applications - Databases Performance Evaluation - Software Engineering Computer Networks - Parallelism Paper Submission: Full papers are limited to 8 pages and short communications are limited to 4 pages. Submit five camera ready copies (one original and four copies) of the paper and an accompanying letter by postal mail only, so as to arrive by June 30, 1993 to: ISCIS VIII, Attn Drs Levent Gun and Raif Onvural, IBM E95/B 673, P.O. Box 12195, Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA Selected papers from ISCIS VIII will be published in the journal Information Sciences (Elsevier - North Holland). Poster Submission: Submit five camera ready copies of 1 page extended abstract with an accompanying letter by July 30, 1993 to the address given above. Information: For required writing format, further information and announcements, contact:",comp.graphics 1131," Yes, but it's broken on OW 2.0. It does not handle multiple pages well. If you don't have the proper PostScript commands it will draw the entire document on the same page instead of pausing after each page. I haven't tried OW 3.0 yet, though.",comp.windows.x 1132," Well, it looks like, just as Doug trumped Tim, beating him to the net with his defensive analyses, so Tim has gotten in ahead of me. The way I was doing it was a little different. Being me, of course, I used equivalent averages to work out how many runs a player was worth, and I calculated both rate of performance (fielding equivalent average) and total performance (fielding equivalent runs). But I compared, not to the average player, but the replacement player, and here's why: because the positional adjustment comes built in to the system. In the AL of 1992, the average SS is 32.9 runs above replacement (RAR); cf, 31.6; 2B, 28.8; 3B, 26.3; LF, 26.0; RF, 24.6; 1B, 16.9. We may quibble with the exact numbers, but the order looks substantially right. In the equivalent average, I have always set league average to .235. I had decided in hitting that the replacement level batter has an eqa of .180; the name of that replacement level hitter, often as not, is ""Billy Ripken"". I decided to let the replacement level fielder be the same distance from .235 as .180, but in the opposite direction as I have set it up; that makes for an eqa of .280. (Yes, I can add. Runs are proportional to eqa squared; the difference between 180 squared and 235 squared equals the difference to 279 squared, and I rounded off for simplicity). An all-replacement fielding team would have: Randy Milligan at first (.282), Willie Randolph (.269) at second, Leo Gomez (.279) at third, Walt Weiss (.269) at short, Kevin Bass (.271) in left, HoJo (.257) in center, and Eric Anthony (.277) in right. Ugh. So, the total number of RAR for a player is the sum of his batting and fielding RAR. I can rate them by total RAR, or RAR per some number of batting outs, like 400. An average player has a total RAR of about 55, 30 batting, 25 fielding. Total RAR (bat/field) 1. Bonds 152 (124/28) Ventura 124 (66/58) 2. Sandberg 143 (88/55) Thomas 122 (110/12) 3. Van Slyke 122 (91/31) Anderson 109 (75/34) 4. Grace 114 (70/44) Raines 100 (68/32) 5. Lankford 111 (76/35) Puckett 98 (76/22) 6. Pendleton 108 (71/37) Alomar 98 (75/23) 7. Finley 104 (70/34) Martinez E 97 (81/16) 8. Bagwell 101 (73/28) Mack 93 (70/23) 9. Butler 96 (74/22) McGwire 93 (79/14) 10 Sheffield 96 (85/11) Griffey 92 (70/22) 11 Larkin 96 (65/31) Devereaux 89 (56/34) 12 Grissom 95 (57/38) Henderson 88 (66/23) 13 Walker 94 (61/33) Listach 87 (50/37) 14 Justice 92 (52/40) Lofton 85 (46/39) 15 W. Clark 91 (73/18) Baerga 83 (55/28) 16 Kruk 82 (78/ 4) D. White 79 (39/40) 17 O. Smith 80 (46/34) Palmeiro 76 (54/22) 18 Gwynn 80 (47/33) Sierra 76 (52/24) 19 Hollins 80 (68/12) Carter 73 (57/17) 20 J. Bell 79 (42/37) Gonzalez 73 (60/13) Notable entries in a per-400 batting out rating, NL: top 7 are Bonds, 177, LF; Sandberg, 130, 2b; Van Slyke, 114, cf; Grace, 107, 1b; Larkin, 102, ss; Justice, 99, rf; Sheffield, 99, 3B. One at each position measured! McGriff, despite +85 batting RAR, fifth in league, finishes out of the top 20 due to a -13 in fielding. Last by position: Galarraga 39, Stillwell -10, Hansen 30, Belliard 30 (Blauser gad a 69, 3rd in league), May 43, Dascenzo 34, Anthony 38. In the AL, much-maligned Rickey Henderson was worth 120, second only to Frank Thomas' 124; Ventura edges Edgar at third, 116-111; Grebeck rates a potent 102!; Griffey edges Puckett as top CF, 93-90; Listach nudges out Lofton among rookies, 82-80. And Alomar clearly outpoints Baerga, 97-73. Last by position: Segui 10, Sojo 29, Palmer 22, Lewis 31, Polonia 40, Cuyler 26, V. Hayes 39. All for now.",rec.sport.baseball 1133," No, Dave, and as an anthropologist I take great umbrage with this misrepresentation. I sense that it is you that has made the jump from creation (science) to religion (see above). I have characterized science/*creation science* as rationalism/nonsense, and that it is. When people promote their religious beliefs as science they become nonsense. Kept where they belong they are meaningful and useful, as virtually any anthropologists will tell you, and as I have said several times in this group. And it works the other way, too, and I have repeatedly said so. Never have I said or meant anything different, here or elsewhere, and I don't think my communication skills betray me. Nor do I presume to offend people's spiritual sensibilities, as I would hope others would not disparage mine.",talk.religion.misc 1134,"Hi Xperts! How can I move the cursor with the keyboard (i.e. cursor keys), if no mouse is available? Any hints welcome. Thanks.",comp.windows.x 1135," 1st Tech Corp. 12202 Technology Blvd., Suite 130 PO Box 200656 Austin TX 78720-0656 800 533 1744 512 258 3570 Fax 512 258 3689 ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1136,"Hi: I have a '82 Blue TOYOTA Corolla/Tercel for sale: Reason for seeling this great little car is my new Celica. Car Specifications: 1982 Toyota Corolla/Tercel 5-Speed 125K miles 2 Door Blue Air conditioning/Heat AM/FM stereo Well taken care off and maintained clean New Battery, Timing Belt, and fan belt. Inspection sticker valid until 02/94 A tough car, generally go above 200K miles. Make me an offer. E-mail : reddy@ulysses.att.com phone : (908) 582-3861 (Work) (201) 635-3705 (Home) Kishore Reddy",misc.forsale 1137," In fact, he's a complete and total dickhead on at least 2 newsgroups (this one and rec.sport.hockey). Since hockey season is almost over, he's back to being a dickhead in r.s.bb. ",rec.sport.baseball 1138,"I was wondering if somebody knows of a PD program for converting any graphic formats such as fig, pic, unixplot, tek, etc. to gremlin. Thanks,",comp.graphics 1139,"greetings.. I'm a novice in this area. I'm trying to gather info. on standard phone line settings. quick questions : > if I just want to send out a beep over the phone lines, can I do it with some function generator & tie it up to one of those phone wires ?? > which one of those wires should I connect to my DTMF chip as AUDIO IN ?? any help would be much appreciated..",sci.electronics 1140,"Maxtor XT8670S 660 MB SCSI Drive 16ms access time 2 years old External Casing $777",misc.forsale 1141," Yeah I think we're used to it by now. (even if some of us do change our .sigs to root for our second favorite teams :-) I'll be happy if they win it before I get out of school. (the way it's going I may be here saying Piled Higher and Deeper before long) I have a feeling that alot of people out there may not like this statement but...... by far the worst ""band wagon"" fans are the PIT fans (at least at the present). Case in Point -- I know a guy who just came to Hockey Hell(TM) from Pitt U. Him - ""How 'bout the Pens? The're F-ing awesome"" Me - ""Yeah but beating up on the Devils doesn't mean alot. Wait until they meet Boston and/or Detroit in the Playoffs start."" Him - ""When do the Playoffs start?"" Me - ""Uhhhh. They started a week ago."" I'm not saying that this is true of all the Waddlers fans but there seems to be alot of them floating around who really know nothing about hockey except that they're newly beloved Waddlers are the best team in the game right now and when they're not the best team those fans will disappear into the woodwork. John Flames >> dev/null Serious comments welcomed. ""Eat the Rich"" ",rec.sport.hockey 1142," must have must must I've seen amps and volts, I would go for the volts must you ask? I would like to know how much gas I have. Of course the gauge I have now dosen't tell me s**t so I could see not having one in favor of a warning light at say, 50mi OOOOOOHHHHH! how I would LOOOVE to have a vacuum gauge on my dash!",rec.autos 1143," This has been an interesting thread to follow... and obviously this group wasn't intended as a forum for the discussion of piracy... Has anyone seen any estimates of the lost revenue due to pirates? I was wondering if piracy is more rampant in Home or Corporate computing environments. I would tend to think that business environment ""piracy"" is the major contributor to this form of lost revenue. So many companies will purchase a few copies of a software package and then employees will internally distribute them as if they owned a site-license! What do you guys think? ",sci.electronics 1144,"Hi everybody! Does anyone know of companies that are currently manufacturing encryption chips for sale to the general public? Get them while you can! Some pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks",sci.crypt 1145,"I am working on a project and am in need of information regarding the currents (at the head) needed to write to a hard drive and the currents produced when reading. If anyone has information it would be much appreciated. mcole@nmsu.edu ",sci.electronics 1146,"I was wondering if anyone knows of a graphics package for the PC that will do compositing of a series of pictures? What I mean by ""compositing"" is, say I have a live video clip (digitized) panning around a living room, and a computer-generated bird flying around the screen. I want to combine these two series of pictures so that everywhere where the bird frames are black, I want the living room picture to show through. Yes, I realize I can do this with a genlock, and I do own a genlock, but I want to be able to do manual compositing also. It's ok if I have to composite one frame at a time; I assumed I'd have to do that anyway. But being able to composite a series of frames would be even better.",comp.graphics 1147,"------------- cut here ----------------- HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 13 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Food & Drug Administration News :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: FDA Approves Depo Provera, injectable contraceptive P92-31 Food and Drug Administration FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Susan Cruzan - (301) 443-3285 The Food and Drug Administration today announced the approval of Depo Provera, an injectable contraceptive drug. The drug, which contains a synthetic hormone similar to the natural hormone progesterone, protects women from pregnancy for three months per injection. The hormone is injected into the muscle of the arm or buttock where it is released into the bloodstream to prevent pregnancy. It is more than 99 percent effective. ""This drug presents another long-term, effective option for women to prevent pregnancy,"" said FDA Commissioner David A. Kessler, M.D. ""As an injectable, given once every three months, Depo Provera eliminates problems related to missing a daily dose."" Depo Provera is available in 150 mg. single dose vials from doctors and clinics and must be given on a regular basis to maintain contraceptive protection. If a patient decides to become pregnant, she discontinues the injections. As with any such products, FDA advises patients to discuss the benefits and risks of Depo Provera with their doctor or other health care professional before making a decision to use it. Depo Provera's effectiveness as a contraceptive was established in extensive studies by the manufacturer, the World Health Organization and health agencies in other countries. U.S. clinical trials, begun in 1963, also found Depo Provera effective as an injectable contraceptive. The most common side effects are menstrual irregularities and weight gain. In addition, some patients may experience headache, nervousness, abdominal pain, dizziness, weakness or fatigue. The drug should not be used in women who have acute liver disease, unexplained vaginal bleeding, breast cancer or blood clots in the legs, lungs or eyes. The labeling advises doctors to rule out pregnancy before prescribing the drug, due to concerns about low birth weight in babies exposed to the drug. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 14 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 Recent data have also demonstrated that long-term use may contribute to osteoporosis. The manufacturer will conduct additional research to study this potential effect. Depo Provera was Developed in the 1960s and has been approved for contraception in many other countries. The UpJohn Company of Kalamazoo, Mich., which will market the drug under the name, Depo Provera Contraceptive Injection, first submitted it for approval in the United States in the 1970s. At that time, animal studies raised questions about its potential to cause breast cancer. Worldwide studies have since found the overall risk of cancer, including breast cancer in humans, to be minimal if any. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 15 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 New Rules Speed Approval of Drugs for Life-Threatening Illnesses P92-37 Food and Drug Administration Monica Revelle - (301) 443-4177 The Food and Drug Administration today announced that it will soon publish new rules to shed the approval of drugs for patients with serious or life- threatening illnesses, such as AIDS, cancer and Alzheimer's disease. ""These final rules will help patients who are suffering the most serious illnesses to get access to new drugs months or even years earlier than would otherwise be possible,"" said HHS Secretary Louis W. Sullivan, M.D. ""The effort to accelerate FDA review for these drugs has been a long-term commitment and indeed a hallmark of this administration."" These rules establish procedures for the Food and Drug Administration to approve a drug based on ""surrogate endpoints"" or markers. They apply when the drug provides a meaningful benefit over currently available therapies. Such endpoints would include laboratory tests or physical signs that do not in themselves constitute a clinical effect but that are judged by qualified scientists to be likely to correspond to real benefits to the patient. Use of surrogate endpoints for measurement of drug efficacy permits approval earlier than if traditional endpoints -- such as relief of disease symptoms or prevention of disability and death from the disease -- are used. The new rules provide for therapies to be approved as soon as safety and effectiveness, based on surrogate endpoints, can be reasonably established. The drug's sponsor will be required to agree to continue or conduct postmarketing human studies to confirm that the drug's effect on the surrogate endpoint is an indicator of its clinical effectiveness. One new drug -- zalcitabine (also called ddC) -- was approved June 19, using a model of this process, for treating the human immunodeficiency virus, HIV, the cause of AIDS. Accelerated approval can also be used, if necessary, when FDA determines that a drug, judged to be effective for the treatment of a disease, can be used safely only under a restricted distribution plan. ""The new rules will help streamline the drug development and review process without sacrificing goad science and rigorous FDA oversight,"" said FDA commissioner David A. Kessler, M.D. ""While drug approval will be accomplished faster, these drugs and biological products must still meet safety and effectiveness standards required by law."" HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 16 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 The new procedures also allow for a streamlined withdrawal process if the postmarketing studies do not verify the drug's clinical benefit, if there is new evidence that the drug product is not shown to be safe and effective, or if other specified circumstances arise that necessitate expeditious withdrawal of the drug or biologic. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 17 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Articles :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Research Shows Promise for Preventing or Slowing Blindness due to Retinal Disease National Retinitis Pigmentosa Foundation Neutrophilic Factors Rescue Photoreceptor Cells in Animal Tests Baltimore, MD - Researchers at the University of California San Francisco and Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Inc. [NASDAQ: REGN] have discovered that certain naturally occurring substances known as neurotrophic factors can prevent the degeneration of light-sensing cells in the retina of the eye. The degeneration of these cells, known as photoreceptors, is a major cause of visual impairment This research, published to in the December issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science (PNAS), holds promise for people who may lose their sight due to progressive retinal degeneration -- currently, no drug treatment for retinal degeneration exists. It is estimated that 2.5 million Americans have severe vision loss due to age-related macular degeneration and 100,000 Americans are affected by retinitis pigmentosus, a hereditary disease that causes blindness. In addition, each year more than 15,000 people undergo surgical procedures to repair retinal detachments and other retinal traumas. The research was funded in part by the RP (Retinitis Pigmentosa) Foundation Fighting Blindness, Regeneron Pharmaceuticals and the National Eye Institute. It was conducted by Drs. Matthew M. LaVail, Kazuhiko Unoki, Douglas Yasurnura, Michael T. Matthes and Roy H. Steinberg at UCSF, arld Dr. C;eorge Yancoooulos, Regeneron's Vice President for Discovery. Regeneron holds an exclusive license for this research from UCSF. In the research described in the PNAS , a light-damage model was used to assess the survival-promoting activity of a number of naturally occurring substances. Experimental rats were exposed to constant light for one week. Eyes that had not been treated with an effective factor lost most of their photoreceptor cells -- the rods and cones of the retina -- after light exposure. Brain Derived Neurotrophic Factor (BDNF) and Ciliary Neurotrophic Factor (CNTF) were particularly effective in this model without causing unwanted side effects; other factors such as Nerve Growth Factor (NGF) and Insulin-like Growth Factor (IGF-1) were not effective in these experiments. Discussing the research, Dr. Jesse M. Cedarbaum, Regeneron's Director of Clinical Research, said, ""BDNF's ability to rescue neurons in the retina that have been damaged by light exposure may hold promise for the treatment of age- related macular degeneration, one of the leading causes of vision impairment, and for retinal detachment. Following detachment, permanent vision loss may HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 18 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 result frorn the death of detached retinal cells. It is possible that BDNF could play a role in rescuing those cells once the retina has been reattached surgically."" ""Retinitis pigmentosa is a slowly progressing disease that causes the retina to degenerate over a period of years or even decades. Vision decreases to a small tunnel of sight and can result in total blindness. It is our hope that research on growth factors will provide a means to slow the progression and preserve useful vision throughout life,"" stated Jeanette S. Felix, Ph.D., Director of Science for the RP Foundation Fighting Blindness. In addition to the work described , Regeneron is developing BDNF in conjunction with Aingen Inc. [NASDAQ:AMGN] as a possible treatment for peripheral neuropathies associated with diabetes and cancer chemotherapy, motor neuron diseases, Parkinson's disease, and Alzheimer's disease. By itself, Regeneron is testing CNTF in patients with arnyotrophic lateral sclerosis (commonly known as Lou Gehrig's disease). Regeneron Pharlnaceuticals, Inc., based in Tarrytown, New York, is a leader in the discovery and development of biotechnology-based compounds for the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, peripheral neuropathies and nerve injuries, which affect more than seven million Americans. Drs. LaVail and Steinberg of UCSF are consultants to Regeneron. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 19 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 Affluent Diet Increases Risk Of Heart Disease Research Resources Reporter written by Mary Weideman Nov/Dec 1992 National Institutes of Health High-fat, high-calorie diets rapidly increase risk factors for coronary heart disease in native populations of developing countries that have traditionally consumed diets low in fat. These findings, according to investigators at the Oregon Health Sciences University in Portland, have serious implications for public health in both industrialized and developing countries. ""This study demonstrates why we can develop coronary heart disease and have higher blood cholesterol and triglyceride levels. It shows also the importance of diet and particularly the potential of the diet to increase body weight, thereby leading to a whole host of other health problems in developing countries and affluent nations as well,"" explains principal investigator Dr. William E. Connor, head of the section of clinical nutrition and lipid metabolism at Oregon Health Sciences University. Over the past 25 years Dr. Connor and his team have characterized the food and nutrient intakes of the Tara humara Indians in Mexico, while simultaneously documenting various aspects of Tarahumara lipid metabolism. These native Mexicans number approximately 50,000 and reside in the Sierra Madre Occidental Mountains in the state of Chihuahua. The Tarahumaras have coupled an agrarian diet to endurance racing. Probably as a result, coronary heart disease, which is so prevalent in Western industrialized nations, is virtually non existent in their culture. Loosely translated, the name Tarahumara means ""fleet of foot,"" reflecting a tribal passion for betting on ""kickball"" races, in which participants run distances of 100 miles or more while kicking a machete-carved wooden ball. The typical Tarahumara diet consists primarily of pinto beans, tortillas, and pinole, a drink made of ground roasted corn mixed with cold water, together with squash and gath ered fruits and vegetables. The Tara humaras also eat small amounts of game, fish, and eggs. Their food contains approximately 12 percent of total calories as fat of which the majority (69 percent) is of vegetable origin. Dietician Martha McMurry, a coinvestigator in the study, describes their diet as simple and very rich in nutrients while low in cholesterol and fat. The Tarahumaras have average plasma cholesterol levels of 121 mg/ dL, low-density lipoprotein (LDL)-cholesterol levels of 72 mg/dl, and high-density lipoprotein (HDL)-cholesterol levels of 32 to 42 mg/dl. All of those values are in the good, low-risk range, according to the researchers. Elevated cholesterol and LDL-cholesterol levels are considered risk factors for heart HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 20 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 disease. HDL-cholesterol is considered beneficial. In previous studies the Tarahumaras had been found to be at low risk for cardiac disease, although able to respond to high-cholesterol diets with elevations in total and LDL- cholesterol. Clinical Research Center dietitian McMurry and coinvestigator Maria Teresa Cerqueira established a metabolic unit in a Jesuit mission school building near a community hospital in the small village of Sisoguichi. Food was weighed, cooked, and fed to the study participants under the investigators' direct supervision, ensuring that subjects ate only food stipulated by the research protocol. Fasting blood was drawn twice weekly, and plasma samples were frozen and shipped to Dr. Connors laboratory for cholesterol, triglyceride, and lipoprotein analyses. Regular measurements included participant body weight, height, and triceps skin fold thickness. Thirteen Tarahumaras, five women and eight men, including one adolescent, were fed their native diet for 1 week, followed by 5 weeks of an ""affluent"" diet. ""In this study we went up to a concentration of dietary fat that was 40 percent of total calories. This is the prototype of the holiday diet that many Americans consume a diet high in fat, sugar, and cholesterol, low in fiber,"" elaborates Dr. Conners. Such dietary characteristics are reflected in the cholesterol-saturation index, or CSI, recently devised research dietitian Sonja Conner working with Dr. Connor. ""The CSI is a single number that incorporates both the amount of cholesterol and the amount of saturated fat in the diet. CSI indicates the diet's potential to elevate the cholesterol level, particularly the LDL,"" Dr. Connor explains. The Tarahumaran diet averages a very low CSI of 20; Dr. Connor's ""affluent"" diet used in the study ranks a CSI of 149. The experimental design of this study reflects the importance of establishing baseline plasma lipid levels, typical of the native diet, before exposing subjects to the experimental diet. The standard curve relating dietary food intake to plasma cholesterol demonstrates a leveling off, or plateau, for consumption of large amounts of fat. Changes in dietary fat and/or cholesterol in this range have little effect on plasma levels. ""You must have the baseline diet almost free of the variables you are going to put into the experimental diet. The Framingham study, for example, did not discriminate on the basis of diet between individuals who got heart disease because the diet was already high in fat. All subjects were already eating on a plateau,"" Dr. Connor says. After 5 weeks of consuming the ""affluent"" diet, the subjects' mean plasma cholesterol levels had in creased by 31 percent, primarily in the LDL fraction, which rose 39 percent. HDL-cholesterol increased by 31 per cent, and LDL to HDL ratios changed therefore very little. Plasma triglyceride levels increased by 18 percent, and subjects averaged an 8-pound gain in weight. According to Dr. Connor, lipid changes occurred surprisingly soon, yielding nearly the same results after 7 days of affluent diet as after 35 days. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 21 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 The increase in HDL carries broad dietary implications for industrialized nations. ""We think HDL-cholesterol increased because we increased the amount of dietary fat over the fat content used in the previous Tarahumara metabolic study. In that study we saw no change in HDL levels after raising the dietary cholesterol but keeping the fat relatively consistent with native consumption. In the present study we increased fat intake to 40 percent of the total calories. We reached the conclusion in the Tarahumara study that HDL reflects the amount of dietary fat in general and not the amount of dietary cholesterol. HDL must increase to help metabolize the fat, and it increased quite a bit in this study,"" Dr. Connor explains. Low HDL in the Tarahumarans is not typically an important predictor of coronary heart disease because they do not normally consume large amounts of fat or cholesterol. HDL remains an important predictor to Americans because of their usual high fat intake. Dr. Connor recommends a diet for Americans that contains less than 20 percent of total calories as fat, less than 100 mg of cholesterol, and a CSI around 20, varying in accordance with caloric needs. Such a diet is low in meat and dairy fat, high in fiber. Dr. Connor also comments on recent suggestions that Americans adopt a ""Mediterranean-style"" diet. ""The original Mediterranean diet, in its pristine state, consisted of a very low intake of fat and very few animal and dairy products. We are already eating a lot of meat and dairy products. Simply to continue that pattern while switching to olive oil is not going to help the situation."" The World Health Organization (WHO) is focusing much attention on the emergence of diseases such as coronary heart disease in nations and societies undergoing technological development. Dr. Connor says that coronary heart disease starts with a given society's elite, who typically eat a different diet than the average citizen. ""If the pattern of afluence increases, the entire population will have have a higher incidence of coronary heart disease, which places a termendous health care burden on a society. WHO would like the developing countries to prevent coronary heart disease, so they can concentrate on other aspects of their economic development and on public health measures to improve general well-being, rather than paying for unnecessary, expensive medical technology,"" Dr. Connors says. ""The overall implication of this study is that humans can readily move their plasma lipids and lipoprotein values into a high-risk range within a very short time by an affluent, excessive diet. The present rate of coronary heart disease in the United States is 30 percent less than it was 20 years ago, so a lot has been accomplished. We are changing rapidly,"" he concludes. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 22 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: General Announcments :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publications for Health Professionals Available from NCI (1/93) Unless otherwise noted, the following materials are provided free of charge by calling the NCI's Publication Ordering Service, 1-800-4-CANCER. Because Federal Government publications are not subject to copyright restriction, you are free to photocopy NCI material. GENERAL INFORMATION ANTICANCER DRUG INFORMATION SHEETS IN SPANISH/ENGLISH. Two- sided fact sheets (in English and Spanish) provide information about side effects of common drugs used to treat cancer, their proper usage, and precautions for patients. The fact sheets were prepared by the United States Pharmacopeial Convention, Inc., for distribution by the National Cancer Institute. Single sets only may be ordered. CANCER RATES AND RISKS, 3RD EDITION (85-691). This book is a compact guide to statistics, risk factors, and risks for major cancer sites. It includes charts and graphs showing incidence, mortality, and survival worldwide and in the United States. It also contains a section on the costs of cancer. 136 pages. DIET, NUTRITION & CANCER PREVENTION: A GUIDE TO FOOD CHOICES (87-2778). This booklet describes what is now known about diet, nutrition, and cancer prevention. It provides information about foods that contain components like fiber, fat, and vitamins that may affect a person's risk of getting certain cancers. It suggests ways to use that information to select from a broad variety of foods--choosing more of some foods and less of others. Includes recipes and sample menus. 39 pages. NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE FACT BOOK. This book presents general information about the National Cancer Institute including budget data, grants and contracts, and historical information. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 23 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE GRANTS PROCESS (91-1222) (Revised 3/90). This booklet describes general NCI grant award procedures; includes chapters on eligibility, preparation of grant application, peer review, eligible costs, and post- award activities. 62 pages. PHYSICIAN TO PHYSICIAN: PERSPECTIVE ON CLINICAL TRIALS. This 15-minute videocassette discusses why and how to enter patients on clinical trials. It was produced in collaboration with the American College of Surgeons Commission on Cancer. STUDENTS WITH CANCER: A RESOURCE FOR THE EDUCATOR (91-2086). (Revised 4/87) This booklet is designed for teachers who have students with cancer in their classrooms or schools. It includes an explanation of cancer, its treatment and effects, and guidelines for the young person's re-entry to school and for dealing with terminally ill students. Bibliographies are included for both educators and young people. 22 pages. UNDERSTANDING THE IMMUNE SYSTEM (92-529). This booklet describes the complex network of specialized cells and organs that make up the human immune system. It explains how the system works to fight off disease caused by invading agents such as bacteria and viruses, and how it sometimes malfunctions, resulting in a variety of diseases from allergies, to arthritis, to cancer. It was developed by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and printed by the National Cancer Institute. This booklet presents college level instruction in immunology. It is appropriate for nursing or pharmacology students and for persons receiving college training in other areas within the health professions. 36 pages. MATERIALS TO HELP STOP TOBACCO USE CHEW OR SNUFF EDUCATOR PACKAGE (91-2976). Each package contains: Ten copies of CHEW OR SNUFF IS REAL BAD STUFF, a brochure designed for seventh and eighth graders that describes the health and social effects of using HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 24 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 smokeless tobacco products. When fully opened, the brochure can be used as a poster. One copy of CHEW OR SNUFF IS REAL BAD STUFF: A GUIDE TO MAKE YOUNG PEOPLE AWARE OF THE DANGERS OF USING SMOKELESS TOBACCO. This booklet is a lesson plan for teachers. It contains facts about smokeless tobacco, suggested classroom activities, and selected educational resources. HOW TO HELP YOUR PATIENTS STOP SMOKING: A NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE MANUAL FOR PHYSICIANS (92-3064). This is a step- by-step handbook for instituting smoking cessation techniques in medical practices. The manual, with resource lists and tear-out materials, is based on the results of NCI clinical trials. 75 pages. HOW TO HELP YOUR PATIENTS STOP USING TOBACCO: A NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE MANUAL FOR THE ORAL HEALTH TEAM (91-3191). This is a handbook for dentists, dental hygienists, and dental assistants. It complements the physicians' manual and includes additional information on smoking prevention and on smokeless tobacco use. 58 pages. PHARMACISTS HELPING SMOKERS QUIT KIT. A packet of materials to help pharmacists encourage their smoking patients to quit. Contains a pharmacist's guide and self-help materials for 25 patients. SCHOOL PROGRAMS TO PREVENT SMOKING: THE NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE GUIDE TO STRATEGIES THAT SUCCEED (90-500). This guide outlines eight essential elements of a successful school-based smoking prevention program based on NCI research. It includes a list of available curriculum resources and selected references. 24 pages. SELF-GUIDED STRATEGIES FOR SMOKING CESSATION: A PROGRAM PLANNER'S GUIDE (91-3104). This booklet outlines key characteristics of successful self-help materials and programs based on NCI collaborative research. It lists additional resources and references. 36 pages. SMOKING POLICY: QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. These ten fact sheets HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 25 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 provide basic information about the establishment of worksite smoking policies. Topics range from the health effects of environmental tobacco smoke to legal issues concerning policy implementation. STRATEGIES TO CONTROL TOBACCO USE IN THE UNITED STATES: A BLUEPRINT FOR PUBLIC HEALTH ACTION IN THE 1990s (92-3316: Smoking and Control Monograph No. 1). This volume provides a summary of what has been learned from 40 years of a public health effort against smoking, from the early trial-and- error health information campaigns of the 1960s to the NCI's science-based project, American Stop Smoking Intervention Study for Cancer Prevention, which began in 1991. It offers reasons why comprehensive smoking control strategies are now needed to address the smoker's total environment and to reduce smoking prevalence significantly over the next decade. MATERIALS FOR OUTREACH PROGRAMS CANCER PREVENTION AND EARLY DETECTION: COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS FOR HEALTH PROFESSIONALS Three kits are available for community program planners and health professionals to set up local cancer prevention and early detection education projects: DO THE RIGHT THING. . . GET A NEW ATTITUDE ABOUT CANCER COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAM. This community outreach kit targets Black American audiences. It contains materials to help health professionals conduct community education programs for black audiences. The kit emphasizes the early detection of breast cancer by mammography and of cervical cancer by the Pap test. It also discusses smoking and nutrition. The kit includes helpful program guidance, facts, news articles, visuals, and brochures. HAGALO HOY COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAM. This community outreach kit targets Hispanic audiences. It contains bilingual and Spanish language materials to help health professionals conduct community education programs. The materials educate Hispanic audiences about early detection of breast cancer by mammography HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 26 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 and of cervical cancer by Pap tests. The kit also discusses smoking and related issues. The kit includes helpful guidance, facts, news articles, visuals and brochures. ONCE A YEAR..FOR A LIFETIME COMMUNITY OUTREACH MAMMOGRAPHY PROGRAM. This community outreach kit targets all women age 40 or over. It supplies community program planners and health professionals with planning guidance, facts about mammography, news articles, visuals and brochures. MAKING HEALTH COMMUNICATION PROGRAMS WORK: A PLANNER'S GUIDE (92-1493). This handbook presents key principles and steps in developing and evaluating health communications programs for the public, patients, and health professionals. It expands upon and replaces ""Pretesting in Health Communications"" and ""Making PSAs Work."" 131 pages. SUPPORT MATERIAL FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS The video and slide presentations listed below support the mammography outreach programs. ONCE A YEAR...FOR A LIFETIME VIDEOTAPE. This 5-minute VHS videotape uses a dramatic format to highlight the important facts about the early detection of breast cancer by mammography. UNA VEZ AL ANO...PARA TODA UNA VIDA VIDEOTAPE. This 27- minute Spanish videotape informs Spanish-speaking women of the need for medical screening, particularly mammography. It explains commonly misunderstood facts about breast cancer and early detection. The program, in a dramatic format, features Edward James Olmos and Cristina Saralegui. ONCE A YEAR...FOR A LIFETIME SPEAKER'S KIT (SLIDE SHOW). This kit includes 66 full-color slides and a number- coded, ready-to-read script suitable for a mammography presentation to a large group. It addresses the misconceptions prevalent about mammography and urges women age 40 and older to get regular mammograms so that breast cancer can be detected as early as possible. Kit HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 27 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 includes a guide, poster, media announcement, news feature, flyer, and pamphlets on mammography. This kit is available directly by writing to: Modern, 5000 Park Street North, St. Petersburg, FL 33709-9989. --------- end of part 2 ------------ ",sci.med 1148," They are real, and we still pay licence fees to receive TV. The detector vans pick up the IF, true. This tells them what channel you are watching. The can also pick up the line time base freq, and frame rate (Try it with a LW/MW radio near telly, it picks up a sharp hum) From this they can even watch (poor quality though) what *you* have on the screen, by picking up re radiating junk.",sci.electronics 1149," Then you better pray for me, too, because I believe that the Mighty Invisibile Pink Unicorn does not exist. One being cannot be both ""Pink"" and ""Invisible."" The demon (or should that be daemon?) that keeps me from believing and saving my soul is named Logic.",alt.atheism 1150,"From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org If this facility is in Kaliningrad, this is not near Moscow, it is in fact the ex-East Prussian Konigsberg, now a Russian enclave on the Baltic coast. It is served by ships and rail, and the intrepid traveller in Europe would find it accessible and might even want to try to arrange a tour (??). * Fred Baube (tm) * In times of intellectual ferment, * baube@optiplan.fi * advantage to him with the intellect * #include * most fermented * May '68, Paris: It's Retrospective Time !! ",sci.space 1151,"Excerpt From: rek@siss81 (Robert Kaye) :Just a few contributions from the space program to ""regular"" society: : :1. Calculators :2. Teflon (So your eggs don't stick in the pan) :3. Pacemakers (Kept my grandfather alive from 1976 until 1988) Don't forget Tang! ::smile::",sci.space 1152,"I have an internal modem that I configure as COM4 with IRQ 3, but when I insert that card into my DOS 5.02 PC, it shows up as COM3, with IRQ3 and COM4's address (2E8)! When I get into debug, and dump the data at 40:0, it shows the address 2E8 as belonging to COM3 - even though the modem should be at COM4. Now, I know the modem is working correctly since I have tested it in a different PC - and it shows up correctly as COM4, 2E8, IRQ3. To make it work in the DOS 5.02 PC, I have to configure the modem as COM3, 2E8, IRQ3---but though I have a comm program that allows that, the FAX program that came with the modem does not work. Anyway, I would like the computer to display the modem as it is set, as COM4... I did run a few diagnostic programs, and they did not help at all: a few displayed the modem as COM4, and others displayed it as being COM3. I am not using Windows, this is just a DOS problem...Any help or pointers appreciated.... For various reasons, I must have this modem work at COM4, thus switching COM ports is not an answer... (Last time I posted this, I did not get any DOS specific answer, this time I have included all the specific information....please help!) ----- Avinash Chopde avinash@acm.org",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1153," David, While I disagree strongly with you on the issue of our trusting the government, I think you have a good idea here. There is danger that, with funding coming from asset forfeitures, the government could continue to promulgate a bad product in spite of poor acceptance. Making the product pay its way (as it must for private ventures) would be a good incentive for quality and listening to we, the ranters. :) -mel",sci.crypt 1154," Yes. It's called RADAR. Depends on the environment: in a static environent such as a waveguide yes, in a dynamic environment (with objects moving about) the multipath kills this concept. What is the difference between vertical and horizontal? ",sci.electronics 1155,"I need to find how to program the WD7000 FAAST SCSI controller (A 16 bit DMA SCSI controller for the PC (ISA bus)). Can somebody point me in the direction of some low level docs on the net? Or will I have to get hold of the manufacturers? Who did actually make this anyway? Who will have the docs? TIA. PS> I don't ant the BIOS docs, I want to know how to attack this sucker from the ground level (ie send my own SCSI commands out it from OS/2) -- Hamish Marson, Computer Services, University of Waikato| hamish@waikato.ac.nz. Fax +64 7 8384066 | Computers are only Disclaimer: Remember. You heard it here first! | Human.....",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1156," Can you tell us more?",None 1157," Is English (American, Canadian, etc.) common law recognized as legally binding under international law? After all, we're talking about something that by its very nature isn't limited to the territory of one nation.",sci.space 1158,": That more or less says it. I flicked the Penguins game on briefly and saw : Ulf cross-check Valeri in the face. I am wondering if Don Cherry is going to : go off on this at all in coach's corner. And that was the ONLY infraction of this type in the game. Come on! Wake up! Geez He's not the only player who does this sort of thing. I think we were kind of lucky. The game was not really all that ""chippy"" considering the state NJ is in about now. ",rec.sport.hockey 1159,"Greetings automobile enthusiasts. Can anyone tell me if there is a mail order company that sells BMW parts discounted... cheaper than the dealerships. Sorry if it's a FAQ. email replies very much appreciated. Thanks,",rec.autos 1160,"Voting for creation of the newsgroup misc.health.diabetes ended at 23:59 GMT on 29 Apr 93. At this time, the total response received consisted of 155 votes for newsgroup creation and 14 votes against newsgroup creation. Under the Guidelines for Usenet Group Creation, this response constitutes a passing vote. There will be a delay to allow time for the net to respond to this result, after which the newsgroup misc.health.diabetes should be created. Please check the vote acknowledgement list to be sure that your vote was received and properly credited. Any inconsistencies or errors should be reported to swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil by email. I want to thank everyone who participated in the discussion and vote for this newsgroup proposal. The following is the voting summary: Votes received against newsgroup creation: cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu Ernest A. Cline coleman@twin.twinsun.com Mike Coleman ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu Eric J. Olson elharo@shiva.njit.edu Elliotte Rusty Harold emcguire@intellection.com Ed McGuire hansenr@ohsu.EDU hmpetro@mosaic.uncc.edu Herbert M. Petro jjmorris@gandalf.rutgers.edu Joyce Morris julian@bongo.tele.com Julian Macassey knauer@cs.uiuc.edu Rob Knauerhase lau@ai.sri.com Stephen Lau macridis_g@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Gerry Macridis owens@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu Bill Owens rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller Votes received for newsgroup creation: 9781BMU@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU Bill Satterlee a2wj@loki.cc.pdx.edu Jim Williams ac534@freenet.carleton.ca Colin Henein ad@cat.de Axel Dunkel al198723@academ07.mty.itesm.mx Jesus Sanchez Pe~a andrea@unity.ncsu.edu anugula@badlands.NoDak.edu RamaKrishna Reddy Anugula apps@sneaks.Kodak.com Robert W. Apps arperd00@mik.uky.edu Alicia R. Perdue baind@gov.on.ca Dave Bain balamut@morris.hac.com Morris Balamut bch@Juliet.Caltech.Edu Bryan Hathorn bernsteinn@LONEXA.ADMIN.RL.AF.MIL Norman P. Bernstein BGAINES@ollamh.ucd.ie Brian Gaines bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com Bob Geer Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no Bjorn B. Larsen bobw@hpsadwc.sad.hp.com Bob Waltenspiel bock@VSIKP0.UNI-MUENSTER.DE Dirk Bock bruce@uxb.liverpool.ac.uk Bruce Stephens bspencer@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Brian Spencer claudia@LONEXA.ADMIN.RL.AF.MIL Claudia Servadio-Coyne compass-da.com!tomd@compass-da.com Thomas Donnelly constabiled@LONEXA.ADMIN.RL.AF.MIL Diane Constabile csc@coast.ucsd.edu Charles Coughran curtech!sbs@unh.edu Stephanie Bradley-Swift debrum#m#_brenda@msgate.corp.apple.com Brenda DeBrum dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com David Barton dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu Deborah Lynn Gillaspie dougb@comm.mot.com Douglas Bank drs@sunsrvr3.cci.com Dale R. Seim dt4%cs@hub.ucsb.edu David E. Goggin ed@titipu.resun.com Edward Reid edmoore@hpvclc.vcd.hp.com Ed Moore emilio@Accurate.COM Elizabeth Milio ewc@hplb.hpl.hp.com Enrico Coiera ""feathr::bluejay""@ampakz.enet.dec.com franklig@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU Gregory C. Franklin FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu gabe@angus.mi.org Gabe Helou gasp@medg.lcs.mit.edu Isaac Kohane gavin@praxis.co.uk Gavin Finnie Geir.Millstein@TF.tele.no Geir Millstein ggurman@cory.Berkeley.EDU Gail Gurman ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US Gregory G. Woodbury gmalet@surfer.win.net Gary Malet GONZALEZ@SUHEP.PHY.SYR.EDU Gabriela Gonzalez greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil Leila Thomas grm+@andrew.cmu.edu Gretchen Miller halderc@cs.rpi.edu Carol Halder HANDELAP%DUVM.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU Phil Handel hc@Nyongwa.cam.org heddings@chrisco.nrl.navy.mil Hubert Heddings herbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com HOSCH2263@iscsvax.uni.edu Kathleen Hosch hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu Herman Rubin HUDSOIB@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU Ingrid B. Hudson huff@MCCLB0.MED.NYU.EDU Edward J. Huff huffman@ingres.com Gary Huffman HUYNH_1@ESTD.NRL.NAVY.MIL Minh Huynh ishbeld@cix.compulink.co.uk Ishbel Donkin James.Langdell@Eng.Sun.COM James Langdell jamie@SSD.intel.com Jamie Weisbrod jamyers@netcom.com John A. Myers jc@crosfield.co.uk Jerry Cullingford jcobbe@garnet.acns.fsu.edu James Cobbe jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com Randell Jesup joannm@hpcc01.corp.hp.com JoAnn McGowan joep@dap.csiro.au Joe Petranovic John.Burton@acenet.auburn.edu John E. Burton, Jr. johncha@comm.mot.com JORGENSONKE@CC.UVCC.EDU Keith Jorgenson jpsum00@mik.uky.edu Joey P. Sum JTM@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu John Maynard julien@skcla.monsanto.com kaminski@netcom.com Peter Kaminski kerry@citr.uq.oz.au Kerry Raymond kieran@world.std.com Aaron L. Dickey kolar@spot.Colorado.EDU Jennifer Lynn Kolar kriguer@tcs.com Marc Kriguer laurie@LONEXA.ADMIN.RL.AF.MIL Laurie J. Key lee@hal.com Lee Boylan lmt6@po.cwru.edu Lia M. Treffman lunie@Lehigh.EDU lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU Stephen G. Roseman M.Beamish@ins.gu.edu.au Marilyn Beamish M.Rich@ens.gu.edu.au Maurice H. Rich maas@cdfsga.fnal.gov Peter Maas marilyn@LONEXA.ADMIN.RL.AF.MIL Marilyn M. Tucker markv@hpvcivm.vcd.hp.com Mark Vanderford MASCHLER@vms.huji.ac.il Michael Maschler mcb@net.bio.net Michael C. Berch mcday@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Marrianne C. Day mcookson@flute.calpoly.edu melynda@titipu.resun.com Melynda Reid mfc@isr.harvard.edu Mauricio F. Contreras mg@wpi.edu Martha Gunnarson mhollowa@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu Michael Holloway misha@abacus.concordia.ca Misha Glouberman mjb@cs.brown.edu Manish Butte MOFLNGAN@vax1.tcd.ie Margaret O' Flanagan muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us David Muir Sharnoff N.D.Treby@southampton.ac.uk N. D. Treby N.J.C.Hookey@durham.ac.uk N. J. C. Hookey Nancy.Block@Eng.Sun.COM Nancy Block ndallen@r-node.hub.org Nigel Allen nlemur@eecs.umich.edu Nigel Lemur nlr@B31.nei.nih.gov Nathan Rohrer pams@hpfcmp.fc.hp.com Pam Sullivan papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Paul Prescod paslowp@cs.rpi.edu Pam Paslow phil@unet.umn.edu Phil Lindberg pillinc@gov.on.ca Christopher Pilling pkane@cisco.com Peter Kane pmmuggli@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu Pauline Muggli popelka@odysseus.uchicago.edu Glenn Popelka pulkka@cs.washington.edu Aaron Pulkka pwatkins@med.unc.edu Pat Watkins rbnsn@mosaic.shearson.com Ken Robinson rmasten@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Roger Masten robyn@media.mit.edu Robyn Kozierok rolf@green.mathematik.uni-stuttgart.de Rolf Schreiber sageman@cup.portal.com sasjcs@unx.sas.com Joan Stout sca@space.physics.uiowa.edu Scott Allendorf SCOTTJOR@delphi.com scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com scs@vectis.demon.co.uk Stuart C. Squibb shan@techops.cray.com Sharan Kalwani sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com Sharen A. Rund shazam@unh.edu Matthew T. Thompson shipman@csab.larc.nasa.gov Floyd S. Shipman shoppa@ERIN.CALTECH.EDU Tim Shoppa sjsmith@cs.UMD.EDU Stephen Joseph Smith slillie@cs1.bradley.edu Susan Lillie steveo@world.std.com Steven W. Orr surendar@ivy.WPI.EDU Surendar Chandra swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil Steven Kirchoefer S_FAGAN@twu.edu Liz Fagan TARYN@ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu Taryn L. Westergaard Thomas.E.Taylor@gagme.chi.il.us Thomas E. Taylor tima@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM Timothy D. Aanerud tsamuel%gollum@relay.nswc.navy.mil Tony Samuel U45301@UICVM.UIC.EDU Mary Jacobs vstern@gte.com Vanessa Stern wahlgren@haida.van.wti.com James Wahlgren Waldref@tv.tv.tek.com Greg Waldref waterfal@pyrsea.sea.pyramid.com Douglas Waterfall weineja1@teomail.jhuapl.edu wgrant@informix.com William Grant WINGB@Underdale.UniSA.edu.au Brian Wing YEAGER@mscf.med.upenn.edu yozzo@watson.ibm.com Ralph E. Yozzo ysharma@yamuna.b11.ingr.com Yamuna Sharma Z919016@beach.utmb.edu Molly Hamilton zulu@iesd.auc.dk Bjoern U. Gregersen The charter for misc.health.diabetes appears below. -------------------------- Charter: misc.health.diabetes unmoderated 1. The purpose of misc.health.diabetes is to provide a forum for the discussion of issues pertaining to diabetes management, i.e.: diet, activities, medicine schedules, blood glucose control, exercise, medical breakthroughs, etc. This group addresses the issues of management of both Type I (insulin dependent) and Type II (non-insulin dependent) diabetes. Both technical discussions and general support discussions relevant to diabetes are welcome. 2. Postings to misc.heath.diabetes are intended to be for discussion purposes only, and are in no way to be construed as medical advice. Diabetes is a serious medical condition requiring direct supervision by a primary health care physician. -----(end of charter)-----",sci.med 1161," Er, people are going to make personal attacks on Prof. Denning whether she posts here or not. That much should be obvious from looking at the traffic over the last few weeks. Therefore I conclude that the existence of personal attacks is irrelevant to any decision concerning whether to post. I suspect that Prof. Denning is actually using the attacks as an excuse for not posting, and that the real reason for the silence is that Clipper is not the sort of proposal any self-respecting cryptographer can support via reasoned argument. mathew",sci.crypt 1162," yodicet> yodicet> yodicet> Hmm. You don't say.. L. ""Yeh, Buddy.. | larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)| _~~_ I've got your COMPUTER! | % Physical Science Laboratory | (O)(-) Right HERE!!"" | New Mexico State University | /..\ (computer THIS!) | Las Cruces, New Mexico, USA 88003 | <> ",talk.politics.guns 1163,"So what is your definition of ""interfering with the fielder taking the throw""? The rule book certainly doesn't have a definiton or clarification, so it's possible to interpret the rule as saying that if the catcher has to alter his throw to avoid hitting the batter-runner, then again we have interference. You know, it seems that there is no way to apply this rule justly--if the catcher (or the pitcher, say Rob Dibble, for example) throws toward first and hits the runner running inside the baseline, the fielder takes the chance of being ejected. Therefore he probably would throw around the runner or (your scenario) above him. You should note that in our American Legion League, (which uses MLB rules) we interpret the rule to say in this very circumstance there IS interference per rule 7.09.",rec.sport.baseball 1164," In this morning's paper (or was it on the radio?), Vizquel was quoted as saying that he could have fielded the ball with his glove and still easily thrown out Riles, that he barehanded it instead so as to make the final play more memorable. Seems a litle cocky to me, but he made it work so he's entitled. -- Doug Dudgeon Dept. of Chemical Engineering, BF-10 dudgeon@opus.cheme.washington.edu University of Washington, Seattle",rec.sport.baseball 1165,"eyes? By looking at the iris (iridology) - virtually nothing. Looking at the retina allows one to visualise the small blood vessels and is helpful in assessing various systemic diseases, hypertension and diabetes for example.",sci.med 1166,"I saw an imaging program some time ago on an Amiga that had Cross, Sobel and Roberts filters for edge detection. Can anybody direct me to these algorithms. Paul Denize -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Denize Internet: PDenize@Waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science University of Waikato phone: ++64 7 8562-889 Hamilton Ext 8743 NEW ZEALAND fax : ++64 7 8560-135",comp.graphics 1167," However, he said on his radio show today that he won't read anything from the two alt groups. He simply deletes them without reading them. He says that some of the people in the two groups are vicious.",sci.crypt 1168,"alt.religion.spam? ",None 1169,"Archive-name: graphics/resources-list/part3 Last-modified: 1993/04/27 Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY POSTING [ PART 3/3 ] =================================================== Last Change : 27 April 1993 11. Scene generators/geographical data/Maps/Data files ====================================================== DEMs (Digital Elevation Models) ------------------------------- DEMs (Digital Elevation Models) as well as other cartographic data [huge] is available from spectrum.xerox.com [192.70.225.78], /pub/map. Contact: Lee Moore -- Webster Research Center, Xerox Corp. -- Voice: +1 (716) 422 2496 Arpa, Internet: Moore.Wbst128@Xerox.Com [ Check also on ncgia.ucsb.edu (128.111.254.105), /pub/dems -- nfotis ] Many of these files are also available on CD-ROM selled by USGS: ""1:2,000,000 scale Digital Line Graph (DLG) Data"". Contains datas for all 50 states. Price is about $28, call to or visit in offices in Menlo Park, in Reston, Virginia (800-USA-MAPS). The Data User Services Division of the Bureau of the Census also has data on CD-ROM (TSO standard format) that is derived from USGS 1:100,000 map data. Call (301) 763-4100 for more info or they have a BBS at (301) 763-1568. [ From Dr.Dobbs #198 March 1993: ] ""The U.S. Defense Mapping Agency, in cooperation with their counterpart agencies in CANADA, the U.K., and Australia, have released the Digital Chart of the World (DCW). This chart consists of over 1.5 gigabytes of reasonable quality vector data distributed on four CD-ROMS. .... includes coastlines, rivers, roads, railrays, airports,cities, towns, spot elevations, and depths, and over 100,000 place names."" It is ISO9660 compatible and only $200.00 available from: U.S. Geological Survey P.O. Box 25286 Denver Federal Center Denver, CO 80225 Digital Distribution Services Energy, Mines, and Resources Canada 615 Booth Street Ottawa, ON K1A 0E9 Canada Director General of Military Survey (Survey 3) Elmwood Avenue Feltham, Middlesex TW13 7AH United Kingdom Director of Survey, Australian Army Department of Defense Campbell Park Offices (CP2-4-24) Campbell ACT 2601 Australia Fractal Landscape Generators ---------------------------- Public Domain: Many people have written fractal landscape generators. for example for the Mac some of these generators were written by pdbourke@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Paul D. Bourke). Many of the programs are available from the FTP sites and mail archive servers. Check with Archie. Commercial: Vista Pro 3.0 for the Amiga from Virtual Reality Labs -- list price is about $100. Their address is: VRL 2341 Ganador court San Luis Obispo, CA 93401 Telephone or FAX (805) 545-8515 Scenery Animator (also for the Amiga) is of the same caliber with Vista Pro 2. Check with: Natural Graphics P.O. Box 1963 Raklin, CA 95677 Phone (916) 624-1436 Don't forget to ask about companion programs and data disks/tapes. Vista Pro 3 has been ported to the PCs. CIA World Map II ---------------- [ NOTE: this database is quite out of date, and not topologically structured. If you need a standard for world cartographic data, wait for the Digital Chart of the World. This 1:1M database has been produced from the Defense Mapping Agency's ONCs and will be available, together with searching and viewing software, on a number of CD-ROMs later this summer. ] Check into HANAUMA.STANFORD.EDU and UCSD.EDU (see ftp list above) The CIA database consists of coastlines, rivers and political boundaries in the form of line strokes. Also on hanauma.stanford.edu is a 720x360 array of elevation data, containing one ieee floating point number for every half degree longitude and latitude. A program for decoding the database, mfil, can be found on the machine pi1.arc.umn.edu (137.66.130.11). There's another program, which reads a compressed CIA Data Bank file and builds a PHIGS hierachical structure. It uses a PHIGS extension known as polyline sets for performance, but you can use regular polylines. Ask Joe Stewart . The raw data at Stanford require the vplot package to be able to view it. (was posted in comp.sources.unix). To be more exact, you'll have to compile just the libvplot routines, not the whole package. NCAR data --------- NCAR (National Center for Atmospheric Research) has many types of terrain data, ranging from elevation datasets at various resolutions, to information about soil types, vegetation, etc. This data is not free -- they charge from $40 to $90 or more, depending on the data volume and media (exabyte tape, 3480 cartridge, 9-track tape, IBM PC floppy, and FTP transfer are all available). Their data archive is mostly research oriented, not hobbyist oriented. For more information, email to ilana@ncar.ucar.edu. UNC data tapes with voxel data -------------- There are 2 ""public domain"" tapes with data for the comparison and testing of various volume rendering algorithms (mainly MRI and CT scans). These tapes are distributed by the SoftLab of UNC @ Chapel Hill. (softlab@cs.unc.edu) The data sets (volume I and II) are also available via anonymous FTP from omicron.cs.unc.edu [128.109.136.159] in pub/softlab/CHVRTD NASA ---- Many US agencies such as NASA publish CD-ROMs with many altimetry data from various space missions, eg. Viking for Mars, Magellan for Venus, etc. Especially for NASA, I would suggest to call the following address for more info: National Space Science Date Center Goddard Space Flight Center Greenbelt, Maryland 20771 Telephone: (301) 286-6695 Email address: request@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov The data catalog (*not* the data itself) is available online. Internet users can telnet to nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.10.4) and log in as 'NODIS' (no password). You can also dial in at (301)-286-9000 (300, 1200, or 2400 baud, 8 bits, no parity, one stop). At the ""Enter Number:"" prompt, enter MD and carriage return. When the system responds ""Call Complete,"" enter a few more carriage returns to get the ""Username:"" and log in as 'NODIS' (no password). NSSDCA is also an anonymous FTP site, but no comprehensive list of what's there is available at present. Earth Sciences Data ------------------- There's a listing of anonymous FTP sites for earth science data, including imagery. This listing is called ""Earth Sciences Resources on Internet"", and you can get it via anonymous FTP from csn.org [128.138.213.21] in the directory COGS under the name ""internet.resources.earth.sci"" Some sites include: aurelie.soest.hawaii.edu [128.171.151.121]: pub/avhrr/images - AVHRR images ames.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.18.3]: pub/SPACE/CDROM - images from Magellan and Viking missions etc. pub/SPACE/Index contains a listing of files available in the whole archive (the index is about 200K by itself). There's also an e-mail server for the people without Internet access: send a letter to archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov (or ames!archive-server). In the subject of your letter (or in the body), use commands like: send SPACE Index send SPACE SHUTTLE/ss01.23.91 (Capitalization is important! Only text files are handled by the email server at present) vab02.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.23.47]: pub/gifs/misc/landsat - Landsat photos in GIF and JPEG format [ It was shut down - nfotis; anyone has a copy of this archive?? ] Others ------ Daily values of river discharge, streamflow, and daily weather data is available from EarthInfo, 5541 Central Ave., Boulder CO 80301. These disks are expensive, around $500, but there are quantity discounts. (303) 938-1788. Check vmd.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.98], the wx directory carries data regarding surface analysis, weather radar, and sat view pics in GIF format (updated hourly) pioneer.unm.edu [129.24.9.217] is the Space and Planetary Image Facility (located on the University of New Mexico campus) FTP server. It provides Anonymous FTP access to >150 CD-ROMS with data/images. A disk with earthquake data, topography, gravity, geopolitical info is available from NGDC (National Geophysical Data Center), 325 Broadway, Boulder, CO 80303. (303) 497-6958. EOSAT (at least in the US) now sells Landsat MSS data older than two years old for $200 per scene, and they have been talking about a similar deal for Landsat TM data. The MSS data are 4 bands, 80 meter resolution. Check out anonymous FTP to ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu in UNIX/PolyView/alpha-shape for a tool that creates convex hulls alpha-shapes (a generalization of the convex hull) from 3D point sets. The GRIPS II (Gov. Raster Image Processing Software) CD-ROM is available from CD-ROM Inc. at 1-800-821-5245 for $49. Code for viewing ADRG (Arc Digitised Raster Graphics) files is available on the GRIPS II CD-ROM. The U.S. Army Engineer Topographic Labs (Juan Perez) code is also available via FTP ( adrg.zip archive in spectrum.xerox.com ) NRCC range data --------------- Rioux M., Cournoyer L. ""The NRCC Three-Dimensional Image Data Files"", Tech. Report, CNRC 29077, National Research Council Canada, Ottawa, Canada, 1988 [ From what I understand, these data are from a laser range finder, and you can a copy for research purposes ] ========================================================================== 12. 3D scanners - Digitized 3D Data =================================== a. Cyberware Labs, Monterey, CA, manufactures a 3D color laser digitizer which can be used to model parts of, or a complete, human body. They run a service bureau also, so they can digitize models for you. Address: Cyberware Labs, Inc 8 Harris Ct, Suite 3D Monterey, CA 93940 Phone: (408)373-1441, Fax: (408)373-3582 b. Polhemus makes a 6D input device (actually a couple of models) that senses position (3D) and *orientation* (+3D) based on electromagnetic field interference. This equipment is also incorporated in the VPL Dataglove. This hardware is also called ISOTRACK, from Keiser Aerospace. Ascension Technology makes a similar 3D input device. There is a company, Applied Sciences(?), that makes a 3D input device (position only) based on speed of sound triangulation. c. A company that specializes in digitizing is Viewpoint. You can ask for Viewpoint's _free_ 100 page catalog full of ready to ship datasets from categories such as cars, anatomy, aircraft,sports, boats, trains, animals and others. Though these objects are quite expensive, the cataloge is nevertheless of interest for it has pictures of all the available objects in wireframe , polygon mesh. Contact: Viewpoint, 870 West Center, Orem, Utah 84057 ph# 801-224-2222 fax# 801-224-2272 1-800-DATASET ------ Some addresses for companies that make digitizers: Ascension Technology Bird, Flock of Birds, Big Bird: 6d trackers P.O. Box 527, Burlington, VT 05402 Phone: (802) 655-7879, Fax: (802) 655-5904 Polhemus Incorporated Digitizer: 6d trackers P.O. Box 560, Hercules Dr. Colchester, Vt. 05446 Tel: (802) 655-3159 Logitech Inc. Red Baron, ultrasonic 6D mouse 6506 Kaiser Dr. Freemont, CA 94555 Tel: (415) 795-8500w Shooting Star Technology Mechanical Headtracker 1921 Holdom Ave. Burnaby, B.C. Canada V5B 3W4 Tel: (604) 298-8574 Fax: (604) 298-8580 Spaceball Technologies, Inc. Spaceball: 6d stationary input device 600 Suffolk Street Lowell, MA, 01854 Tel: (508) 970-0330 Fax: (508) 970-0199 Tel in Mountain View: (415) 966-8123 Transfinite Systems Gold Brick: PowerGlove for Macintosh P.O. Box N MIT Branch Post Office Cambridge, MA 02139-0903 Tel: (617) 969-9570 email: D2002@AppleLink.Apple.com VPL Research, Inc. EyePhone: head-mounted display DataGlove: glove/hand input device VPL Research Inc. 950 Tower Lane 14th Floor Foster City, CA 94404 Tel: (415) 312-0200 Fax: (415) 312-9356 SimGraphics Engineering Flying Mouse: 6d input device 1137 Huntington Rd. Suite A-1 South Pasadena, CA 91030-4563 (213) 255-0900 ======================================================================== 13. Background imagery/textures/datafiles ========================================= First, check in the FTP places that are mentioned in the FAQ or in the FTP list above. 24-bit scanning: ---------------- Get a good 24-bit scanner, like Epson's. Suggested is an SCSI port for speed. Eric Haines had a suggestion in RT News, Volume 4, #3 : scan textures for wallpapers and floor coverings, etc. from doll house supplies. So you have a rather cheap way to scan patterns that don't have scaling troubles associated with real materials and scanning area. Books with textures: -------------------- Find some houses/books/magazines that carry photographic material. Educorp, 1-619-536-9999, sells CD-ROMS with various imagery - also a wide variety of stock art is available. Stock art from big-name stock art houses, such as Comstock, UNIPHOTO, and Metro Image Base, is available. In Italy, there's a company called Belvedere that makes such books for the purpose of clipping their pages for inclusion in your graphics work. Their address is: Edition Belvedere Co. Ltd., 00196 Rome Italy, Piazzale Flaminio, 19 Tel. (06) 360-44-88, Fax (06) 360-29-60 Texture Libraries: ------------------ a. Mannikin Sceptre Graphics announced TexTiles, a set of 256x256 24-bit textures. Initial shipments in 24-bit IFF (for Amigas), soon in 24-bit TIFF format. Algorithmically built for tiled surfaces. SRP is $40 / volume (each volume = 40 images @ 10 disks). Demo disks for $5 are available. Contact: Mannikin Sceptre Graphics 1600 Indiana Ave. Winter Park, FL 32789 Phone: (407) 384-9484 FAX: (407) 647-7242 b. ESSENCE is a library of 65 (sixty-five) new algoritmic textures for Imagine by Impulse, Inc. These textures are FULLY compatible with the floating point versions of Imagine 2.0, Imagine 1.1, and even Turbo Silver. Written by Steve Worley. For more info contact: Essence Info Apex Software Publishing 405 El Camino Real Suite 121 Menlo Park CA 94025 USA [ What about Texture City ?? ] ========================================================================== 14. Introduction to rendering algorithms ======================================== a. Ray-Tracing: --------------- I assume you have a general understanding of Computer Graphics. No? Then read some of the books that the FAQ contains. For Ray-Tracing, I would suggest: An Introduction to Ray Tracing, Andrew Glassner (ed.), Academic Press 1989, ISBN 0-12-286160-4 Note that I have not read the book, but I feel that you can't be wrong using his book. An errata list was posted in comp.graphics by Eric Haines (erich@eye.com) There's a more concise reference also: Roman Kuchkuda , UNC @ Chapel Hill: ""An Introduction to Ray Tracing"", in ""Theoretical Foundations for Computer Graphics and CAD"", ed. R.A.E.Earnshaw, NATO AS, Vol. F-40., pp. 1039-1060. Printed by Springer-Verlag, 1988. It contains code for a small, but fundamentally complete ray-tracer. b. Z-buffer (depth-buffer) -------------------------- A good reference is: _Procedural Elements for Computer Graphics_, David F. Rogers, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1985, pages 265-272 and 280-284. c. Others: ---------- ??? [ More info is needed -- nfotis ] ======================================================================== 15. Where can I find the geometric data for the: ================================================ a. Teapot ? ----------- ""Displays on Display"" column of IEEE CG&A Jan '87 has the whole story about origin of the Martin Newell's teapot. The article also has the bezier patch model and a Pascal program to display the wireframe model of the teapot. IEEE CG&A Sep '87 in Jim Blinn's column ""Jim Blinn's Corner"" describes an another way to model the teapot; Bezier curves with rotations for example are used. The OFF and SPD packages have these objects, so you're advised to get them to avoid typing the data yourself. The OFF data is triangles at a specific resolution (around 8x8[x4 triangles] meshing per patch). The SPD package provides the spline patch descriptions and performs a tessellation at any specified resolution. b. Space Shuttle ? ------------------ Tolis Lerios has built a list of Space Shuttle datafiles. Here's a summary (From his sci.space list): model1: A modified version of the newsgroup model (model2) 406 vertices (296 useful, i.e. referred to in the polygon descriptions.) 389 polygons (233 3-vertex, 146 4-vertex, 7 5-vertex, 3 6-vertex). Payload doors non-existent. Units: unknown. Simon Marshall (S.Marshall@sequent.cc.hull.ac.uk) has a copy. He said there is no proprietary information associated with it. model2: The newsgroup model, in OFF format. You can find it in gondwana.ecr.mu.oz.au , file pub/off/objects/shuttle.geo hanauma.stanford.edu , /pub/graphics/Comp.graphics/objects/shuttle.data model3: The triangles' model. This model is stored in several files, each defining portions of the model. Greg Henderson (henders@infonode.ingr.com) has a copy. He did not mention any restriction on the model's distribution. model4: The NASA model. The file starts off with a header line containing three real numbers, defining the offsets used by Lockheed in their simulations: From then on, the file consists of a sequence of polygon descriptions 3473 vertices. 2748 polygons (407 3-vertex, 2268 4-vertex, 33 5-vertex, 14 6-vertex, 10 7-vertex, 8 8-vertex, 8 12-vertex, 2 13-vertex, 2 15-vertex, 17 16-vertex, 2 17-vertex, 2 18-vertex, 3 19-vertex, 8 24-vertex). Payload doors closed. Units: inches. Jon Berndt (jon@l14h11.jsc.nasa.gov) seems to be responsible for the model Proprietary info: unknown model5: The old shuttle model. The file consists of a sequence of polygon descriptions. 104 vertices. 452 polygons (11 3-vertex, 41 4-vertex). Payload doors open. Units: meters. We have been using this model at STAR Labs, Stanford University, for some years now. Contact me (tolis@nova.stanford.edu) or my supervisor Scott Williams (scott@star5.stanford.edu) if you want a copy. ======================================================================== 16. Image annotation software ============================= a. Touchup runs in Sunview and is pretty good. It reads in rasterfiles, but even if your image isn't normally stored in rasterfile format you could use screendump to make it a rasterfile. b. Idraw (part of Stanford's InterViews distribution) can handle some image formats in addition to being a MacDraw like tool. I'm not sure exactly what they are. You can ftp the idraw's binary from interviews.stanford.edu. c. Tgif is another MacDraw like tool that can handle X11 bitmap (xbm) and X11 pixmap (xpm) formats. If the image you have is in formats other than xbm or xpm, you can get the pbmplus toolkit to convert things like gif or even some Macintosh formats to xpm. Tgif's sources are available in the pub directory on cs.ucla.edu (Version 2.12 of tgif at patchlevel 7 plus patch8 and patch9) d. Use the editimage facility of KHOROS (see below). This is just one utility in the overall system- you can essentially do all your image processing and macdraw-type graphics using this package. e. You might be able to get by with PBMPlus. pbmtext gives you text output bitmaps which can be overlaid on top of your image. f. 'ice' requires Sun hardware running OpenWindows 3.It's a PostScript-based graphical editor,and it's available for anonymous ftp from Internet host eo.soest.hawaii.edu (128.171.151.12). Requires Sun C++ 2.0 and two other locally developed packages, the LXT library (an Xlib-based toolkit) and a small C++ class library. All files (pub/ice.tar.Z, pub/lxt.tar.Z and pub/ldgoc++.tar.Z) are available in compressed tar format. pub/ice.tar.Z contains a README that gives installation instructions, as well as an extensive man page (ice.1). A statically-linked compressed executable pub/ice-sun4.Z for SPARC systems is also available for ftp. All software is the property of Columbia University and may not be redistributed without permission. ice means Image Composition Environment and it's an imaging tool that allows raster images to be combined with a wide variety of PostScript annotations in WYSIWYG fashion via X11 imaging routines and NeWS PostScript rasterizing. g. Use ImageMagick to annotate an image from your X server. Pick the position of your text with the cursor and choose your font and pen color from a pull-down menu. ImageMagick can read and write many of the more popular image formats. ImageMagick is available as export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/ImageMagick.tar.Z or at your nearest X11 archive. ======================================================================== 17. Scientific visualization stuff ================================== X Data Slice (xds) ------------------- Bundled with the X11 distribution from MIT, in the contrib directory. Available at ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.20.50] (either as a source or binaries for various platforms). National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) Tool Suite ----------------------------------------------------------------- Platforms: Unix Workstations (DEC, IBM, SGI, Sun) Apple MacIntosh Cray supercomputers Availability: Now available. Source code in the public domain. FTP from ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu. Contact: National Center for Supercomputing Applications Computing Applications Building 605 E. Springfield Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 Cost: Free (zero dollars). The suite includes tools for 2D image and 3D scene analysis and visualization. The code is actively maintained and updated. Spyglass -------- They sell commercial versions of the NCSA tools. Examples are: Spyglass Dicer (3D volumetric data analysis package) Platform: Mac Spyglass Transform (2D data analysis package) Platforms: Mac, SGI, Sun, DEC, HP, IBM Contact: Spyglass, Inc. P.O. Box 6388 Champaign, IL 61826 (217) 355-6000 KHOROS 1.0 Patch 5 ------------------ Available via anonymous ftp at pprg.eece.unm.edu (129.24.24.10). cd to /pub/khoros to see what is available. It is HUGE (> 100 MB), but good. Needs Unix and X11R4. Freely copied (NOT PD), complete with sources and docs. Very extensive and at its heart is visual programming. Khoros components include a visual programming language, code generators for extending the visual language and adding new application packages to the system, an interactive user interface editor, an interactive image display package, an extensive library of image and signal processing routines, and 2D/3D plotting packages. See comp.soft-sys.khoros on Usenet and the relative FAQ for more info.... Contact: The Khoros Group Room 110 EECE Dept. University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131 Email: khoros-request@chama.eece.unm.edu MacPhase -------- Analysis & Visualization Application for the Macintosh. Operates on 1D and 2D data arrays. Import/Export several different file formats. Several different plotting options such as gray scale, color raster, 3D Wire frame, 3D surface, contour, vector, line, and combinations. FFTs, filtering, and other math functions, color look up editor, array calculator, etc. Shareware, available via anonymous ftp from sumex-aim.stanford.edu in the info-mac/app directory. For other information contact Doug Norton (e-mail: 74017.461@@compuserve.com) IRIS Explorer ------------- It's an application creation system developed by Silicon Graphics that provides visualisation and analysis functionality for computational scientists, engineers and other scientists. The Explorer GUI allows users to build custom applications without having to write any, or a minimal amount of, traditonal code. Also, existing code can be easily integrated into the Explorer environment. Explorer currently is available now on SGI and Cray machines, but will become available on other platforms in time. [ Bundled with every new SGI machine, as far as I know] See comp.graphics.explorer or comp.sys.sgi for discussion of the package. There are also two FTP servers for related stuff, modules etc.: ftp.epcc.ed.ac.uk [129.215.56.29] swedishchef.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.54.33] - mirror of the UK site apE --- Back in the 'old good days', you could get apE for nearly free. Now has gone commercial and the following vendor supplies it: TaraVisual Corporation 929 Harrison Avenue Columbus, Ohio 43215 Tel: 1-800-458-8731 and (614) 291-2912 Fax: (614) 291-2867 Cost: $895 (plus tax); runtime version with a site-license for a single user (at a time), no limit on the number of machines in a cluster. $895 includes support/maintenance and upgrades. Source code more. Additional user licenses $360. The name of the package has become apE III (TM). Khoros is very similar to apE on philosophy, as are AVS and Explorer. AVS --- See also: comp.graphics.avs Platforms: CONVEX, CRAY, DEC, Evans & Sutherland, HP, IBM, Kubota, Set Technologies, SGI, Stardent, SUN, Wavetracer Availability: AVS4 available on all the above: For all UNIX workstations. Contact: Advanced Visual Systems Inc. 300 Fifth Ave. Waltham, MA 02154 (617)-890-4300 Telephone (617)-890-8287 Fax avs@avs.com Email Advanced Visual Systems Inc. for: CRAY, HP, IBM, SGI, Stardent, SUN CONVEX for CONVEX Advanced Visual Systems Inc. or CRAY for CRAY DEC for DEC Evans & Sutherland for Evans & Sutherland Advanced Visual Systems Inc. or IBM for IBM Kubota Pacific Inc. for Kubota Set Technologies for Set Technologies Wavetracer for Wavetracer FTP Site: for modules, data sets, other info: avs.ncsc.org (128.109.178.23) WIT --- In a nutshell it's a package of the same genre as AVS,Explorer,etc. It seems more a image processing system than a generic SciVi system (IMHO) Major elements are: - a visual programming language, which automatically exploits the inherent parallelism - a code generator which converts the graph to a standalone program Iconified libraries present a rich set of point, filter, io, transform, morphological, segmentation, and measurement operations. A flow library allows graphs to employ broadcast, merge, synchronization, conditional, and sequencing control strategies. WIT delivers an object-oriented, distributed, visual programming environment which allows users to rapidly design solutions to their imaging problems. Users can consolidate both software and hardware developments within a complete CAD-like workspace by adding their own operators (C functions), objects (data structures), and servers (specialized hardware). WIT runs on Sun, HP9000/7xx, SGI and supports Datacube MV-20/200 hardware allowing you to run your graphs in real-time. For a free WIT demo disk, call, FAX, or e-mail (poon@ee.ubc.ca) us stating your complete name, address, voice, FAX, e-mail info. and desired platform. Pricing: WIT for Sparc, one yr. free upgrades, 30 days technical support....................$5000 US Academic institutions: discounts available Contact: Logical Vision Ltd. Suite 108-3700 Gilmore Way Burnaby, B.C., CANADA V5G 4M1 Tel: 604-435-2587 Fax: 604-435-8840 Terry Arden VIS-5D ------ A system for visually exploring the output of 5-D gridded data sets such as those made by weather models. Platforms: SGI IRIS with VGX, GTX, TG, or G graphics, SGI Crimson or Indigo (R4000, Elan graphics suggested), IRIX 4.0.x IBM RS/6000 with GL graphics, AIX version 3 or later; Stardent GS-1000 and GS-2000 (with TrueColor display) In any case, 32 (or more) MB of RAM are suggested. You can get it freely (thanks to NASA support) via anonymous ftp: ftp iris.ssec.wisc.edu (or ftp 144.92.108.63), then ftp> cd pub/vis5d ftp> ascii ftp> get README ftp> bye NOTE: You can find the package also on wuarchive.wustl.edu in the graphics/graphics/packages directory. Read section 2 of the README file for full instructions on how to get and install VIS-5D. Contact: Bill Hibbard (whibbard@vms.macc.wisc.edu) Brian Paul (bpaul@vms.macc.wisc.edu) DATAexplorer (IBM) ------------------ Platforms : IBM Risc System 6000, IBM POWER Visualization Server (SIMD mesh 32 i860s, 40 MHz) Working on (announced) : SGI, HP, Sun Contact: Your local IBM Rep. For a trial package ask your rep to contact : David Kilgore Data Explorer Product Marketing YKTVMH(KILCORE), (708) 981-4510 Wavefront --------- Data Visualizer, Personal Visualizer, Advanced Visualizer. Platforms: SGI, SUN, IBM RS6000, HP, DEC Availability: Available on all the above platforms from Wavefront Technologies. Educational programs and site licenses are available. Contacts: Mike Wilson (mike@wti.com) Wavefront Technologies, Inc. 530 East Montecito Street Santa Barbara, CA 93103 805-962-8117 FAX: 805-963-0410 Wavefront Europe Guldenspoorstraat 21-23 B-9000 Gent, Belgium 32-91-25-45-55 FAX: 32-91-23-44-56 Wavefront Technologies Japan 17F Shinjuku-sumitomo Bldg 2-6-1 Nishi-shinjuku, Shunjuku-Ku Tokyo 168 Japan 81-3-3342-7330 FAX 81-3-3342-7353 PLOT3D and FAST from NASA Ames ------------------------------ These packages are distributed from COSMIC at least (for FAST ask Pat Elson for distribution information). In general, these codes are for US citizens only :-( XGRAPH ------ On the contrib tape of X11R5. Its specialty is display of up to 64 data sets (2D). NCAR ---- National Center for Atmospheric Research. One of the original graphics packages. Runs on Sun, RS6000, SGI, VAX, Cray Y-MP, DecStations, and more. Contact: Graphics Information NCAR Scientific Computing Division P.O. Box 3000 Boulder, CO 80307-3000 (303)-497-1201 scdinfo@ncar.ucar.edu Cost: .edu $750 Unlimited users .gov $750 1 user $1500 5 users $3000 25 users .com users multiply .gov * 2.0 IDL --- An environment for scientific computing and visualization. Based on an array oriented language, IDL includes 2D and 3D graphics, matrix manupulation, signal and image processing, basic statistics, gridding, mapping, and a widget based system for building GUI for IDL applications (Open Look, Motif, or MS-Windows). Environments: DEC (VMS and Ultrix), HP, IBM RS6000, SGI, Sun, Microsoft Windows. (Mac version in progress) Cost: $1500 to $3750, Educational and quantity discounts available. See also: comp.lang.idl-pvwave (the IDL-PVWAVE bundle) Contact: Research Systems Inc. 777 29th Street, Suite 302 Boulder, CO 80303 Phone: 303-786-9900 FAX: 303-786-9909 E-mail: info@rsinc.com Demo available via FTP. Call or E-mail for details. IDL/SIPS -------- ""A lot of people are using IDL with a package called SIPS. This was developed at the University of Colorado (Boulder) by some people working for Alex Goetz. You might try contacting them if you already have IDL or would be willing to buy it. It's a few thousand dollars (American) I expect for IDL and the other should be free. Those are the general purpose packages I've heard of, besides what TerraMar has. SIPS _was_ written for AVIRIS imagery. I'm not sure how general purpose it is. You would have to contact Goetz or one of his people and ask. I have another piece of software (PCW) that does PC and Walsh transformations with pseudocoloring and clustering and limited image modification (you can compute an image using selected components). I've used it on 70 megabyte AVIRIS images without problems, but for the best speed you need an external DSP card. It will work without it, but large images take quite a while (50-70 times as long) to process. That's a freebie if you want it"" ""My favorite is IDL (Interactive Data Language) from Research Systems, Inc. IDL is in my opinion, much better and infinitely easier. Its programming language is very strong and easy -- very Pascal-like. It handles the number-crunching very well, also. Personally, I like doing the number-crunching with IDL on the VAX (or Mathematica, Igor, or even Excel on the Mac if it's not too hairy), then bringing it over to NIH Image for the imaging part. I have yet to encounter any situation which that combination couldn't handle, and the speed and ease of use (compared to IRAF) was incredible. By the way, it's mostly astronomical image processing which I've been doing. This means image enhancement, cleaning up bad lines/pixels, and some other traditional image processing routines. Then, for example, taking a graph of intensity versus position along a line I choose with the mouse, then doing a curve fit to that line (which I might do like in KaleidaGraph.) "" [ For IDL call Research Systems , for PV-WAVE call Precision Visuals and for SIPS call University of Colorado @ Boulder . From what I can understand, you can get packaged programs from Research Systems, though -- nfotis ] Visual3 ------- contact Robert Haimes, MIT FieldView --------- An interactive program designed to assist an engineer in investigating fluid dynamics data sets. Platforms: SGI, IBM, HP, SUN, X-terminals Availability: Currently available on all of the above platforms. Educational programs and volume discounts are available. Contact: Intelligent Light P.O. Box 65 Fair Lawn, NJ 07410 (201)794-7550 Steve Kramer (kramer@ilight.com) SciAn ------ SciAn is primarily intended to do 3-D visualizations of data in an interactive environment with the ability to generate animations using frame-accurate video recording devices. A user manual, on-line help, and technical notes will help you use the program. Cost : 0 (Free), source code provided via ftp. Platforms : SGI 4D machines and IBM RS/6000 with the GL card + Z-buffer Where to find it: ftp.scri.fsu.edu [144.174.128.34] : /pub/SciAn A mirror is monu1.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.101] : /pub/SciAn SCRY ---- [ From the README : ] Scry is a distributed image handling system that pro- vides image transport and compression on local and wide area networks, image viewing on workstations, recording on video equipment, and storage on disk. The system can be distri- buted among workstations, between supercomputers and works- tations, and between supercomputers, workstations and video animation controllers. The system is most commonly used to produce video based movie displays of images resulting from visualization of time dependent data, complex 3D data sets, and image processing operations. Both the clients and servers run on a variety of systems that provide UNIX-like C run-time environments, and 4BSD sockets. The source is available for anonymous ftp: csam.lbl.gov [128.3.254.6] : pub/scry.tar.Z Contact: Bill Johnston, (wejohnston@lbl.gov, ...ucbvax!csam.lbl.gov!johnston) or David Robertson (dwrobertson@lbl.gov, ...ucbvax!csam.lbl.gov!davidr) Imaging Technologies Group MS 50B/2239 Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Road Berkeley, CA 94720 SVLIB / FVS ----------- SVLIB is an X-Windows widget set based on the OSF (Open Software Foundation) Motif widget set. SVLIB widgets are macro-widgets comprising lower level Motif widgets such as buttons, scrollbars, menus, and drawing areas. It is designed to address the reusability of 2D visualization routines and each widget in the library is an encapsulation of a specific visualization technique such as colormap manipulation, image display, and contour plotting. It is targetted to run on UNIX workstations supporting OSF/Motif. Currently, only color monitors are supported. Since SVLIB is a collection of widgets developed in the same spirit as the OSF/Motif user interface widget set, it integrates seamlessly with the Motif widgets. Programmers using SVLIB widgets see the same interface and design as other Motif widgets. FVS is a visualization software for Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) simulations. FVS is designed to accept data generated from these simulations and apply various visualization techniques to present these data graphically. FVS accepts three-dimensional multi-block data recorded in NCSA HDF format. iti.gov.sg [192.122.132.130] : /pub/svlib (Scientific Visualization) /pu/fvs; These directories contain demo binaries for Sun4/SGI Cost : US$200 for academic and US$300 for non-academic institutions. (For each of the above items). You're getting the source for the licence. Contact ------- Miss Quek Lee Hian Member of Technical Staff Information Technology Institute National Computer Board NCB Building 71, Sicence Park Drive Singapore 0511 Republic of Singapore Tel : (65)7720435 Fax : (65)7795966 Email : leehian@iti.gov.sg --------------------------------------------------------- GVLware Distribution: Bob - An interactive volume renderer for the SGI Raz - A disk based movie player for the SGI Icol - Motif color editor --------------------------------------------------------- The Army High Performance Computing Research Center (AHPCRC) has been developing a set of tools to work with large time dependent 2D and 3D data sets. In the Graphics and Visualization Lab (GVL) we are using these tools along side standard packages, such as SGI Explorer and the Utah Raster Toolkit, to render 3D volumes and create digital movies. A couple of the more general purpose programs have been bundled into a package called ""GVLware"". GVLware, currently consisting of Bob, Raz and Icol, is now available via ftp. The most interesting program is probably Bob, an interactive volume renderer for the SGI. Raz streams raster images from disk to an SGI screen, enabling movies larger than memory to be played. Icol is a color map editor that works with Bob and Raz. Source and pre-built binaries for IRIX 4.0.5 are included. To acquire GVLware, anonymous ftp to: machine - ftp.arc.umn.edu file - /pub/gvl.tar.Z To use GVLware: mkdir gvl ; cd gvl zcat gvl.tar.Z | tar xvf - more README Some Bob features: Motif interface, SGI GL rendering Renders 64 cubed data set in 0.1 to 1.0 seconds on a VGX Alpha Compositing and Maximum Value rendering, in perspective (only Maximum Value rendering on Personal Iris) Data must be a ""Brick of Bytes"", on a regularly spaced grid Animation, subvolumes, subsampling, stereo Some Raz features: Motif interface, SGI GL rendering Loads files to a raw disk partition, then streams to screen (requires an empty disk partition to be set aside) Script interface available for movie sequences Can stream from memory, like NCSA XImage Some Icol features: Motif interface Easy to create interpolated color maps between key points RGB, HSV and YUV color spaces, multiple file formats Communicates changes automatically to Bob and Raz Has been tested on SGI, Sun, DEC and Cray systems BTW: Bob == Brick of Bytes Icol == Interpolated Color Raz == ? (just a name) Please send any comments to gvlware@ahpcrc.umn.edu This software collection is supported by the Army Research Office contract number DAALO3-89-C-0038 with the University of Minnesota Army High Performance Computing Research Center. IAP --- Imaging Applications Platform is a commercial package for medical and scientific visualization. It does volume rendering, binary surface rendering, multiplanar reformating, image manipulation, cine sequencing, intermixes geometry and text with images and provides measurement and coordinate transform abilities. It can provide hardcopy on most medical film printers, image database functionality and interconnection to most medical (CT/MRI/etc) scanners. It is client/server based and provides an object oriented interface. It runs on most high performance workstations and takes full advantage of parallelism where it is available. It is robust, efficient and will be submitted for FDA approval for use in medical applications. Cost: $20K for OEM developer, $10K for educational developer and run times starting at $8900 and going down based on quantity. The developer packages include two days training for two people in Toronto. Available from: ISG Technologies 6509 Airport Road Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, L4V-1S7 (416) 672-2100 e-mail: Rod Gilchrist ======================================================================== 18. Molecular visualization stuff ================================= [ Based on a list from cristy@dupont.com < Cristy > , which asked for systems for displaying Molecular Dynamics, MD for short ] Flex ---- It is a public domain package written by Michael Pique, at The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, CA. Flex is stored as a compressed, tar'ed archive (about 3.4MB) at perutz.scripps.edu [137.131.152.27], in pub/flex. It displays molecular models and MD trajectories. MacMolecule ----------- (for Macintosh). I searched with Archie, and the most promising place is sumex-aim.stanford.edu (info-mac/app, and info-mac/art/qt for a demo) MD-DISPLAY ---------- Runs on SGI machines. Call Terry Lybrand (lybrand@milton.u.washington.edu). XtalView -------- It is a crystallography package that does visualize molecules and much more. It uses the XView toolkit. Call Duncan McRee landman@hal.physics.wayne.edu: ----------------------------- I am writing my own visualization code right now. I look at MD output (a specific format, easy to alter for the subroutine) on PC's. My program has hooks into GKS. If your friend has access to Phigs for X (PEX) and fortran bindings, I would be happy to share my evolving code (free of charge). Right now it can display supercells of up to 65 atoms (easy to change), and up to 100 time steps, drawing nearest neighbor bonds between 2 defining nn radii. It works acceptably fast on a 10Mhz 286. icsg0001@caesar.cs.montana.edu: ------------------------------ I did a project on Molecular Visualization for my Master's Thesis, using UNIX/X11/Motif which generates a simple point and space-filling model. KGNGRAF ------- KGNGRAF is part of MOTECC-91. Look on malena.crs4.it (156.148.7.12), in pub/motecc. motecc.info.txt Information about MOTECC-91 in plain ascii format. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- motecc.info.troff Information about MOTECC-91 in troff format. motecc.form.troff MOTECC-91 order form in troff format. motecc.license.troff MOTECC-91 license agreement in troff format. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- motecc.info.ps Information about MOTECC-91 in PostScript format. motecc.form.ps MOTECC-91 order form in PostScript format. motecc.license.ps MOTECC-91 license agreement in PostScript format. ditolla@itnsg1.cineca.it: ------------------------ I'm working on molecular dynamic too. A friend of mine and I have developed a program to display an MD run dynamically on Silicon Graphics. We are working to improve it, but it doesn't work under X, we are using the graphi. lib. of the Silicon Gr. because they are much faster then X. When we'll end it we'll post on the news info about where to get it with ftp. (Will be free software). XBall V2.0 ---------- Written by David Nedde. Call daven@maxine.wpi.edu. XMol ---- An X Window System program that uses OSF/Motif for the display and analysis of molecular model data. Data from several common file formats can be read and written; current formats include: Alchemy, CHEMLAB-II, Gaussian, MOLSIM, MOPAC, PDB, and MSCI's XYZ format (which has been designed for simplicity in translating to and from other formats). XMol also allows for conversion between several of these formats. Xmol is available at ftp.msc.edu. Read pub/xmol/README for further details. INSIGHT II ---------- from BIOSYM Technologies Inc. SCARECROW --------- The program has been published in J. Molecular Graphics 10 (1992) 33. The program can analyze and display CHARMM, DISCOVER, YASP and MUMOD trajectories. The program package contains also software for the generation of probe surfaces, proton affinity surfaces and molecular orbitals from an extended Huckel program. It works on Silicon Graphics machines. Contact Leif Laaksonen MULTI ----- ns.niehs.nih.gov [157.98.8.8] : /pub - MULTI 3.0 (Multi-Process Molecular Modeling Suite) MindTool -------- It runs under SunView, and requires a fortran compiler and Sun's CGI libraries. MindTool is a tool provided for the interactive graphic manipulation of molecules and atoms. Currently, up to 10,000 atoms may be input. Available via anonymous FTP, at rani.chem.yale.edu, directory /pub/MindTool ( Check with Archie for other sites if that's too far ) [ I would also suggest looking at least in SGI's Applications Directory. It contains many more packages - nfotis ] =========================================================================== 19. GIS (Geographical Information Systems software) =================================================== GRASS ----- (Geographic Resource Analysis Support System) of the US Army Construction Engineering Research Lab (CERL). It is a popular geographic and remote sensing image processing package. Many may think of GRASS as a Geographic Information System rather than an Image Processing package, although it is reported to have significant image processing capabilities. Feature Descriptions I use GRASS because it's public domain and can be obtained through the internet for free. GRASS runs in Unix and is written in C. The source code can be obtained through an anonymous ftp from the Office of Grass Integration. You then compile the source code for your machine, using scripts provided with GRASS. I would recommend GRASS for someone who already has a workstation and is on a limited budget. GRASS is not very user-friendly, compared to Macintosh software."" A first review of overview documentation indicates that it looks useful and has some pixel resampling functions not in other packages plus good general purpose image enhancement routines (fft). Kelly Maurice at Vexcel Corp. in Boulder, CO is a primary user of GRASS . This gentleman has used the GRASS software and developed multi-spectral (238 bands ??) volumetric rendering, full color, on Suns and Stardents. It was a really effective interface. Vexcel Corp. currently has a contract to map part of Venus and convert the Magellan radar data into contour maps. You can call them at (303) 444-0094 or email care of greg@vexcel.com 192.92.90.68 Host Configuration Requirements If you are willing to run A/UX you could install GRASS on a Macintosh which has significant image analysis and import capabilities for satellite data. GRASS is public-domain, and can run on a high-end PC under UNIX. It is raster-based, has some image-processing capability, and can display vector data (but analysis must be done in the raster environment). I have used GRASS V.3 on a SUN workstation and found it easy to use. It is best, of course, for data that are well represented in raster (grid-cell) form. Availability CERL's Office of Grass Integration (OGI) maintains an ftp server: moon.cecer.army.mil (129.229.20.254). Mail regarding this site should be addressed to grass-ftp-admin@moon.cecer.army.mil. This location will be the new ""canonical"" source for GRASS software, as well as bug fixes, contributed sources, documentation, and other files. This FTP server also supports dynamic compression and uncompression and ""tar"" archiving of files. A feature attraction of the server is John Parks' GRASS tutorial. Because the manual is still in beta-test stage, John requests that people only acquire it if they are willing to review it and mail him comments/corrections. The OGI is not currently maintaining this document, so all correspondence about it should be directed to grassx@tang.uark.edu Support Listserv mailing lists: grassu-list@amber.cecer.army.mil (for GRASS users; application-level questions, support concerns, miscellaneous questions, etc) Send subscribe commands to grassu-request@amber.cecer.army.mil. grassp-list@amber.cecer.army.mil (for GRASS programmers; system-level questions and tips, tricks, and techniques of design and implementation of GRASS applications) Send subscribe commands to grassp-request@amber.cecer.army.mil. Both lists are maintained by the Office of Grass Integration (subset of the Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Lab in Champaign, IL). The OGI is providing the lists as a service to the community; while OGI and CERL employees will participate in the lists, we can make no claim as to content or veracity of messages that pass through the list. If you have questions, problems, or comments, send E-mail to lists-owner@amber.cecer.army.mil and a human will respond. Microstation Imager ------------------- Intergraph (based in Huntsville Alabama) sells a wide range of GIS software/hardware. Microstation is a base graphics package that Imager sits on top of. Imager is basically an image processing package with a heavy GIS/remote sensing flavor. Feature Description Basic geometry manipulations: flip, mirror, rotate, generalized affine. Rectification: Affine, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th order models as well as a projective model (warp an image to a vector map or to another image). RGB to IHS and IHS to RGB conversion. Principal component analysis. Classification: K-means and isodata. Fourier Xforms: Forward, filtering and reverse. Filters: High pass, low pass, edge enhancing, median, generic. Complex Histogram/Contrast control. Layer Controller: manages up to 64 images at a time -- user can extract single bands from a 3 band image or create color images by combining various individual bands, etc. The package is designed for a remote sensing application (it can handle VERY LARGE images) and there is all kinds of other software available for GIS applications. Host Configuration Requirements It runs on Intergraph Workstations (a Unix machine similar to a Sun) though there were rumors (there are always rumors) that the software would be ported to PC and possibly a Sun environment. PCI --- A company called PCI, Inc., out of Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada, makes an array of software utilities for processing, manipulation, and use of remote sensing data in eight or ten different ""industry standard"" formats: LGSOWG, BSQ, LANDSAT, and a couple of others whose titles I forget. The software is available in versions for MS-DOS, Unix workstations (among them HP, Sun, and IBM), and VMS, and quite possibly other platforms by now. I use the VMS version. The ""PCI software"" consists of several classes/groups/packages of utilities, grouped by function but all operating on a common ""PCI database"" disk file. The ""Tape I/O"" package is a set of utility programs which read from the various remote-sensing industry tape formats INTO, or write those formats out FROM, the ""PCI database"" file; this is the only package I use or know much about. Other packages can display data from the PCI database to one or another of several PCI-supported third-party color displays, output numeric or bitmap representation of image data to an attached printer, e.g. an Epson-type dot-matrix graphics printer. You might be more spe- cifically interested in the mathematical operations package: histo- gram and Fourier analysis, equalization, user-specified operations (e.g. ""multiply channel 1 by 3, add channel 2, and store as channel 5""), and God only knows what all else -- there's a LOT. I don't have and don't use these, so can't say much about them; you only buy the packages your particular application/interest calls for. Each utility is controlled by from one to eight ""parameters,"" read from a common ""parameter file"" which must be (in VMS anyway) in your ""default directory."" Some utilities will share parameters and use the same parameter for a different purpose, so it can get a bit confusing setting up a series of operations. The standard PCI environment contains a scripting language very similar to IBM-PC BASIC, but which allows you to automate the process of setting up parameters for a common, complicated, lengthy or difficult series of utility executions. (In VMS I can also invoke utilities independently from a DCL command procedure.) There's also an optional programming library which allows you to write compiled language programs which can interface with (read from/write to) the PCI data structures (database file, parameter file). The PCI software is designed specifically for remote-sensing images, but requires such a level of operator expertise that, once you reach the level where you can handle r-s images, you can figure out ways to handle a few other things as well. For instance, the Tape I/O package offers a utility for reading headerless multi-band (what Adobe PhotoShop on the Macintosh calls ""raw"") data from tape, in a number of different ""interleave"" orders. This turns out to be ideal for manipulating the graphic-arts industry's ""CT2T"" format, would probably (I haven't tried) handle Targa, and so on. Above all, however, you HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING or you can screw up to the Nth degree and have to start over. It's worth noting that the PCI ""database"" file is designed to contain not only ""raster"" (image) data, but vectors (for overlaying map information entered via digitizing table), land-use, and all manner of other information (I observe that a remote-sensing image tape often contains all manner of information about the spectral bands, latitude, longitude, time, date, etc. of the original satellite pass; all of this can go into the PCI ""database""). I _believe_ that on workstations the built-in display is used. On VAX systems OTHER than workstations PCI supports only a couple of specific third-party display systems (the name Gould/Deanza seems to come to mind). One of MY personal workarounds was a display program which would display directly from a PCI ""database"" file to a Peritek VCT-Q (Q-bus 24-bit DirectColor) display subsystem. PCI software COULD be ""overkill"" in your case; it seems designed for the very ""high end"" applications/users, i.e. those for whom a Mac/PC largely doesn't suffice (although as you know the gap is getting smaller all the time). It's probably no coincidence that PCI is located in Canada, a country which does a LOT of its land/resource management via remote sensing; I believe the Canadian government uses PCI software for some of its work in these areas. SPAM (Spectral Analysis Manager) -------------------------------- Back in 1985 JPL developed something called SPAM (Spectral Analysis Manager) which got a fair amount of use at the time. That was designed for Airborne Imaging Spectrometer imagery (byte data, <= 256 pixels across by <= 512 lines by <= 256 bands); a modified version has since been developed for AVIRIS (Airborne VIsual and InfraRed Imaging Spectrometer) which uses much larger images. Spam does none of these things (rectification, classification, PC and IHS transformations, filtering, contrast enhancement, overlays). Actually, it does limited filtering and contrast enhancement (stretching). Spam is aimed at spectral identification and clustering. The original Spam uses X or SunView to display. The AVIRIS version may require VICAR, an executive based on TAE, and may also require a frame buffer. I can refer you to people if you're interested. PCW requires X for display. MAP II ------ Among the Mac GIS systems, MAP II is distributed by John Wiley. CLRview ------- CLRview is a 3-dimensional visualization program designed to exploit the real-time capabilities of Silicon Graphics IRIS computers. This program is designed to provide a core set of tools to aid in the visualization of information from CAD and GIS sources. It supports the integration of many common but disperate data sources such as DXF, TIN, DEM, Lattices, and Arc/Info Coverages among others. CLRview can be obtained from explorer.dgp.utoronto.ca (128.100.1.129) in the directory pub/sgi/clrview. Contact: Rodney Hoinkes Head of Design Applications Centre for Landscape Research University of Toronto Tel: (416) 978-7197 Email: rodney@dgp.utoronto.ca ========================================================================== End of Resource Listing",comp.graphics 1170,"BULLSHIT ! ! ! ",None 1171,"If you paid $19.95 for a CD, you're a fool and you got ripped off. ",misc.forsale 1172," Yes, you can use a stream cipher chip to hash data with only slight modification. See: `A fast cryptographic checksum algorithm based on stream ciphers', X Lai, RA Rueppel, J Woolven, Auscrypt 92 pp 8-7 to 8-11.",sci.crypt 1173,"Is there a way to use the mouse when running a DOS app (windowed) in win 3.1? When you window a dos apps (in enhanced mode), I can see where the mouse cursor was, but it doesn't work! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1174," The FBI says that some of the survivors claim to have seen the leaders of the cult talking about setting a fire, and to have smelt kerosene. I assume this will come out at any trial that occurs as a result of these events.",talk.politics.misc 1175,"Anas Omran... @> But since all Jews that way, they find him a leader to follow!",talk.politics.mideast 1176," The 50 MHz external bus speed provides a hell for cache designs. Most of the DX-50 boards have too slow caches that make them effectively DX2-50:s. Also as someone else pointed out, local bus boards are better off at 33 MHz bus speed. The 8k internal cache allows the DX2-66 to be generally faster anyway.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1177," The goalie to whom you refer is Clint Malarchuk. He was at that time playing with the Sabres. His team immediately prior to that was the Washington Capitals. While he did recover and continue to play, I do not know his present whereabouts. ",rec.sport.hockey 1178," ""Society"" is impossible without some shared set of moralities, sense of what is ""god"" and what is ""bad"" action and basic foundation of something ""universal"". ",talk.politics.mideast 1179," Heay bud, get a life in the real world.... Do you still play with your Atari with the paddles? Geez man, open your eyes on the technoledgy of today... I have been quoted a price from a local dealer friend of mine, that I could get a Motherboard (386DX/33 with 64K cache, with 1 meg base ram.) for $285 !! Here is some friendly advice, go to your favorite book store (Walden Book's) and pick up a Computer Shoppers Guide... You think that was aa good price wait till you see some of the OTHER goodies they sell",misc.forsale 1180,") From: coates@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jeffery David Coates) ) Subject: TEST ) Date: 23 Apr 1993 21:09:29 GMT ) Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute ) ) ) ) Test ) Failed ",None 1181," STOP IT!!!! ENOUGH!!! I'm out of there! I mean, I'm a relatively sane person. God knows I'm weak and will forgive me. But I'm not stupid enough to stay in this place any longer. I WANT OUT!!! Yeah, and at least one person ran back in. SOunds like a personal choice to me. Religious fanaticsm, and a beleive that dying in the 'defense' of your beliefs, is probably at the core of what happened in Waco. We in the west tend to disregard fanaticsm of the type displayed by many Moslem fundamentalist groups who see nothing wrong with dying for their beliefs/convictions. I suspect that this same type of fanaticsm was displayed by the BDs. BUt we'll probably never know...",talk.politics.guns 1182," Calling Bill Gates, calling Bill Gates.... -Jason",None 1183," You're right, it is HAPP Controls, Inc., but you can buy direct from them. I don't have a phone number with me, but anyone interested in it can email me for it. I don't remember their button price, but the joystick price was $8.95 per dozen at last check. Should be slightly higher for one or two, but cheaper than Parts Express. As for the trackballs, i don't know the new price either. But I can sell you rebuilt arcade trackballs for $50. That includes new rollers and new bearings (when nec.). I also have a pile of used joysticks and buttons that i would be willing to sell. Please email to address below if interested. --Donnie",sci.electronics 1184," I purchased one personal computer and three for business from them. No problems. The only time I called tech support was for a minor question about a video driver and I had no problem getting through. All four machines seem to be high quality and well made. A 486dx50 EISA machine has been our network file server running 24 hrs per day since last summer with no problems. I hope this is helpful.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1185,"I'm interested in obtaining the highest possible image capture in a MS-Windows application. The resulting image must go to print and high resolution is the name of the game. I'm familiar with (and unhappy with) composite video capture technology. What kind of resolution can I get out of an SVHS signal? What about RGB (and who makes RGB cameras)? Does anyone have any experience with digital cameras? Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- William Brandsdorfer | UUCP: !uunet!lehman.com!wbrand Lehman Brothers | INET: wbrand@lehman.com 388 Greenwich St. | Voice: (212) 464-3835 New York, N.Y. 10013 | ",comp.graphics 1186,"I am using an ibm dx-50 with EISA and local bus....and I need to get a local bus video card.... The only hitch is that I need one that will allow me to do the fastest anims (or flics) from ram. I have 64-megs of ram in 16-meg simms I am using 3D-Studio from Autodesk and Imagine from Impulse... They both write out in the .FLC format.... So does anyone know what would be the best card for showing fast anims from ram.... ie. like the orchid, Diamond Stealth Viper, ATI....etc any help would be appreciated.... ( I am trying to circumvent the single- frame route)",comp.graphics 1187," Ok It is for a game that is 3d and you have listed the characteristics that you are looking for. I think you may have left out a few important parameters. The polygons are all convex. They have less than N sides. (you are drawing meshes walls doors etc.) I believe that the algorithms you can get that will only draw convex polygons can be much more efficient than those that can draw concave / self intersecting polygons. This efficiency can largely be attributed to the fact that simple convex polygons only have a left and a right edge on each scan line. Complex (figure 8 type polygons) can be a bit trickier. The less than N sides specification especially if it is a very small number like 3 or 4 allow othe optimisations to be made. Thus for a high speed game application I think you are looking for code that exploits and is hence limited to drawing simple convex polygons. It may have been that they were very general purpose algorithms. If you limit yourself to 3 or four sided simple convex polygons I think you might be suprised how fast a c algorithm with a asm block move to fill each scan line might actually be. ",comp.graphics 1188," I guess you need to be reminded of some things! Have you ever heard of the First Amendment? I guess not. It isn't a crime to be a religous (I know you said ""sacraligious"", but it isn't your place to judge his religion) zealot in this country. REMEMBER we have freedom of religion in this country! I guess you are selective in that respect! So what if they were ""bastard"" children. They were CHILDREN! Do you condone their deaths? I pray for your lack of a soul if you do!",talk.politics.guns 1189,"Could anyone tell me the format of GIF files. I would like to know how I could determine the size of the picture. Also, are gif files in compressed format? How many bits store pixel color information? (This is probally a simple question, but I couldn't find it in the FAQ.) email responses would be perferred ",comp.graphics 1190,": Has anyone else experienced anything like this? If this just means that I : need to replace the screen then I guess I'll have to but I thought that the : ""death"" of my LCD screen would be a little less dramatic when it eventually : happened. I didn't want to take it in to be repaired before I asked on the : net about this because I already know what they'll say: ""Yep, you gotta have : this replaced and it's gonna cost you $???."" : I've only had the computer for about 21 months. ""Only""?!? That's a long time! (echoing above posting) The way the market is going nowadays, your machine's obsolete two weeks before you buy it. Sounds like you'll have to sink *some* money into it for repair, but that's sometimes necessary for equipment. : Is that a reasonable life : cycle for a LCD display? I think 21 months with nothing wrong until now is quite reasonable. If you had bought a Compaq or Toshiba, you might have reasonably expected the machine to last longer before something went wrong; but that's a moot point, perhaps. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- sandy santra _\/_ trevor@netcom.com berkeley, california /\ trevor@well.sf.ca.us",comp.graphics 1191," [SB] Oh yeah, Israel was really ready to ""expand its borders"" on the holiest day [SB] of the year (Yom Kippur) when the Arabs attacked in 1973. Oh wait, you [SB] chose to omit that war...perhaps because it 100% supports the exact [SB] OPPOSITE to the point you are trying to make? I don't think that it's [SB] because it was the war that hit Israel the hardest. Also, in 1967 it was [SB] Egypt, not Israel who kicked out the UN force. In 1948 it was the Arabs [SB] who refused to accept the existance of Israel BASED ON THE BORDERS SET [SB] BY THE UNITED NATIONS. In 1956, Egypt closed off the Red Sea to Israeli [SB] shipping, a clear antagonistic act. And in 1982 the attack was a response [SB] to years of constant shelling by terrorist organizations from the Golan ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [SB] Heights. Children were being murdered all the time by terrorists and Israel ^^^^^^^^^^^^ [SB] finally retaliated. Nowhere do I see a war that Israel started so that [SB] the borders could be expanded. I agree with all you write except that Terrorist orgs. were not shelling Israel from the Golan Heights in 1982, but rather from Lebanon. The Golan Heights have been held by Israel since 1967, and therefore the PLO could not have been shelling Israel from there, unless there is something I am not aware of. Tsiel",talk.politics.mideast 1192,"Does anyone truely understand the ""INVALID NORMAL ARRAY"" error 3ds gives you while rendering? It seems to present itself while rendering complicated images. I have circumvented this problem by rendering at the command line, however it would be nice to render inside the editor. Is this a memory problem??? ",comp.graphics 1193," I saw a printed up flyer that stated the person was a ""licensed herbologist and iridologist"" What are your opinions? How much can you tell about a person's health by looking into their eyes? ",sci.med 1194,"I've installed many X apps, and have that many of them Imakefiles that have lines startingwith XCOMM in them. When I do a xmkmf to create the Makefile, the Makefile also has the XCOMM (comment?) lines in them. I always have to edit out these lines because the make command barfs on them. I was wondering what these lines were for, and what I might be doing wrong that causes the make command to dislike them. Thanks! ",comp.windows.x 1195,"Subject: CDTV, Accessories, 1084s Monitor. Because of the 'questionable' bids being placed for the set-up, I am including some 'guideline' prices in this REPOST. Negotiable, of course. In anticipation of the arrival of my new computer system, I am selling my CDTV and accessories. I am in no rush to sell this so if you don't have the money now, but may be able to get it in a few weeks, make a bid and let me know. I am NOW willing to sell the pieces separately, but I will wait to sell until they are all accounted for (at least CDTV and Keyboard Kit) I will sell the monitor separately. CDTV (6 months old. Mint condition. Comes with all documentation, packaging, receipt, etc, all in mint condition. Demo disc.) ----->I will start bidding at $375 for this CDTV Keyboard Package [Keyboard, mouse, 3.5"" drive] (Comes with all documention, packaging, receipt etc. 6 months old. Mint turns your CDTV into a full fledged AMIGA 500 computer!) ----->I will start bidding at $125 for this 1084s Monitor (A couple years old. Very Good condition. Comes with all documentation, packaging, and receipt if I can find it.) ----->I will start bdding at $125 for this Software (Various titles...games, demos, etc. NOTE: I have no CDTV discs. All software is 3.5"" disc based). ----->FREE with PACKAGE deal. Please send your best bid to io00844@maine or call (207)-581-7589. Ask for Zero Batzell. You can leave a message if I'm not in. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zero Z. Batzell | CDTV Owner. ""We come in peace...shoot to kill!"" (207)-581-7589 | Iguana Owner. ""NCC-42 U.S.S. Heart Of Gold"" University of Maine | Video Hobbyist. ""Live long and Don't Panic!!"" student with a | Star Trek TNG Fan. (Mostly Harmless) | Douglas N. Adams Fan. MAJOR: Life, The Universe, transfer in mind. | Orson Scott Card Fan. and Everything. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Enterprise is not a ship for freeloading degenerate hitchhikers.",misc.forsale 1196,"There are chips which perform the voice compression/expansion. They can't be expensive, because they exist in many phones connected to PBXs or on the PBX line cards, as well as in a lot of equipment which compresses voice-grade circuits to save the cost of long-distance, leased T1s or satellite circuits. I can't remember the generic term for these chips. My impression is that this was a big deal 10 years ago, but circuits have gotten so cheap that it isn't done much now. Lew ",sci.crypt 1197,"Within the next several months I'll be looking for a job in computer graphics software. I'm in need of info on graphics software companies. I've checked the FAQ, the resource list, and siggraph.org, haven't found anything. The last Computer Graphics Career Handbook that I'm aware of, was published in 1991. It has a list of 40 companies in it, but no tremendously specific information on any of them. Can people please steer me towards more current and in-depth informational resources? Thanks. I'll post a summary if there's interest. Brandon ",comp.graphics 1198,": >Why not build a inflatable space dock. : If you're doing large-scale satellite servicing, being able to do it in : a pressurized hangar makes considerable sense. The question is whether : anyone is going to be doing large-scale satellite servicing in the near : future, to the point of justifying development of such a thing. That's a mighty fine idea. But since you asked ""Why not,"" I'll respond. Putting aside the application of such a space dock, there are other factors to consider than just pressurized volume. Temperature control is difficult in space, and your inflatable hangar will have to incorporate thermal insulation (maybe a double-walled inflatable). Micrometeoroid protection and radiation protection are also required. Don't think this will be a clear plastic bubble; it's more likely to look like a big white ball made out of the same kind of multi-layer fabric that soft-torso space suits are made out of today. Because almost all manned space vessels (Skylab, Mir, Salyut) used their pressurization for increased structural rigidity, even though they had (have) metal skins, they still kind of qualify as inflatable. The inflation process would have to be carefully controlled. The space environment reduces ductility in exposed materials (due to temperature extremes, monotomic Oxygen impingement, and radiation effects on materials), so your ""fabric"" may not retain any flexibility for long. (This may not matter.) Even after inflation, pressure changes in the hangar may cause flexing in the fabric, which could lead to holes and tears as ductility decreases. These are some of the technical difficulties which the LLNL proposal for an inflatable space station dealt with to varying degrees of success. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368",sci.space 1199,"rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes... The fact is that Koresh and his followers involved themselves in a gun battle to control the Mt Carmel complex. That is not in dispute. From what I remember of the trial, the authories couldn't reasonably establish who fired first, the big reason behind the aquittal. _____ _____ \\\\\\/ ___/___________________ Mitchell S Todd \\\\/ / _____/__________________________ ________________ \\/ / mst4298@zeus._____/.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'_'_'_/ \_____ \__ / / tamu.edu _____/.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'_'_/ \__________\__ / / _____/_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_/ \_ / /__________/ \/____/\\\\\\ \\\\\\",talk.politics.misc 1200,"Article #61083 (61123 is last): From: scholten@epg.nist.gov (Robert Scholten) Subject: Re: How hot should the cpu be? Date: Wed Apr 21 19:01:49 1993 The temp on my 486DX2/66 is over 96C (measured with a K-type thermocouple and Fluke 55 dig thermometer). This is an ""idle"" temp - not doing lots of bus i/o, not doing floating point, not doing 32-bit protected mode etc. This is in a Micron computer, without heatsink. I recently put a heatsink/fan on the chip, but I might take the fan off. It makes a horrible whine at times, and I wonder what the vibration is doing to the pins on the cpu etc... -- Rob Scholten scholten@epg.nist.gov End of File, Press RETURN to quit Rob, Don't worry about the whine of the fan it will go away in about 3 weeks of use, mine did... As to the vibration well that something I thought about to as I have a tower case and the mb is mounted vertically. So I mounted the fan on the case so that it just blows air at the CPU and its heatsink instead. Work just like a charm, but the realy biggy to think about is after the whine goes away on the fan. If the fan should stop (burn out) how would you ever know this before the cpu goes up in smoke. Thats what you should be thinking about. I have the parts together but have not had the time to assemble them as yet. But you build a thermistor controlled circuit that will turn on a pesso speaker and a LED when the temp. goes above the normal operating range (96c) or there abouts. Cheep to do if you use Radio Shack junk under $5....Think about that one for a while! Sam",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1201," I actually saw this movie about three months ago, but it wasn't called EASY WHEELS. It was something else that escapes me at the moment but I did rent it from Blockbuster Video and it was a hoot, in the same class as Plan 9 From Outer Space. ",rec.motorcycles 1202," *Sigh* Don't know what your roomate is doing but it must be something wrong. Are there people who enjoy using Windows? Yes. I'll admit to it. Given a choice between a Mac and Windows I choose Windows every time (to start another flame thread 9-) ) .... -- ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1203,"#|> # #|> #Noting that a particular society, in this case the mainland UK, #|> #has few religously motivated murders, and few murders of *any* #|> #kind, says very little about whether inter-religion murders elsewhere #|> #are religiously motivated. #|> #|> No, but it allows one to conclude that there is nothing inherent #|> in all religion (or for that matter, in catholicism and protestantism) #|> that motivates one to kill. # #""Motivates"" or ""allows?"" The Christian Bible says that one may kill #under certain circumstances. In fact, it instructs one to kill under #certain circumstances. I'd say the majority of people have a moral system that instructs them to kill under certain circumstances. I do get your distinction between motivate and allow, and I do agree that if a flavour of theism 'allows' atoricities, then that's an indictment of that theism. But it rather depends on what the 'certain circumstances' are. When you talk about Christianity, or Islam, then at least your claims can be understood. It's when people go to a general statement about theism that it falls apart. One could believe in a God which instructs one to be utterly harmless. # #|> For my part, I conclude that something #|> else is required. I also happen to believe that that something #|> else will work no less well without religion - any easy Them/Us will #|> do. # #And what does religion supply, if not an easy Them/Us? Not necessarily. ""Love thy neighbour"" does not supply a them/us - it demolishes it. And my definition of religion is broader than my definition of theism, as I have explained. # #|> #By insisting that even the murder of four labourers, chosen because #|> #they were catholics, and who had nothing to do with the IRA, by #|> #Protestant extremists, is *not* religously motivated, I think what #|> #you are saying is that you simply will not accept *any* murder as #|> #being religiously motivated. #|> #|> No. What about that guy who cut off someone's head because he believed #|> he was the devil incarnate? That was religously motivated. # #What about the Protestant extremists who killed four Catholic #labourers? That *wasn't* religiously motivated? Not in my opinion. If they were doing it because of some obscure point of theology, then yes. But since all protestants don't do this (nor do they elect extremists to do it for them), it's just too broad too say ""religion did this"". I'm saying that the causes are far more complex than that - take away the religious element, and you'd still have the powerful motives of revenge and misguided patriotism. You know, when most Catholics and Protestants worldwide say 'stop the killing', one might listen to that, especially when you claim not to read minds. # # #|> Also, the murders ensuing from the fatwa on Mr. Rushdie, the Inquisitions, #|> and the many religous wars. # #What's so special about these exceptions? Isn't this all just a #grab-bag of ad-hoc excuses for not considering some other murders #to be religiously motivated? What's the general principle behind #all this? The general principle is that it's fairly clear (to me, at least) that religion is the primary motivator (enabler, whatever) of these. It's not nearly so obvious what's going on when one looks at NI, apart from violence of course. # #|> #It's not an abstract ""argument"". Northern Irish Protestants say #|> #""We don't want to be absorbed into am officially Catholic country."" #|> # #|> #Now what are we supposed to do? Are we supposed to reply ""No, #|> #that's only what you think you don't want. Mr O'Dwyer assures us #|> #that no matter what you say you want, you really want something #|> #else?"" #|> #|> You think the Unionists wouldn't mind being absorbed into a non-Catholic #|> country (other than the UK of course)? It's a terrible thing to lose #|> a mind. Maybe the word ""country"" is there for more than just kicks. #|> I certainly don't believe that the Unionists are in it for God - I think #|> they wish to maintain their position of privilege. # #I'm still listening to what they say, and you are still telling us #your version of what they think. You read minds, and I don't. You've speculated on my motives often enough, and you don't take my statements of my own beliefs at face value - therefore your claim not to read minds has no credibility with me, sorry. I also note that you fail to answer my question. It just looks to me very much like you have an axe to grind - especially as you are indeed ignoring what most Protestants say - which is @stop the killing"". The people you refer to are properly described as Unionists, not Protestants. # #As for their position of privilege, what is that if not religion- #based? It is based on politics, bigotry, and heartless extremism. None of these things are synonymous with religion, though there is certainly some overlap. ",alt.atheism 1204,": I've only had the computer for about 21 months. Is that a reasonable life : cycle for a LCD display?",comp.graphics 1205," Good point. If you haven't read ""The True Believer"" by Eric Hoffer, do so at your first opportunity. I don't know why Hoffer is out of style now, but ""The True Believer"" is still the best explanation of nutball behavior ever written.",talk.religion.misc 1206,,None 1207," Hmm...are you a Taoist? Imposing limits *does* do something useful...it gives you something to go beyond. I tend to be a bit critical of any stratification of Taoism. I especially tend to frown on any suggestion that ""orthodoxy"" or ""classics"" have any special place in Tao. So rather than debate what ""Taoism *REALLY* means"" you are suggesting that we take someone else's word for it and work thusly? I'd rather not, thank you. Whereas you, of course, have a clear idea of what the word means? Can you tell the Tao? :-) Wonderful idea. Only if you choose to define failure in that way. Or to define it at all. ",talk.religion.misc 1208,"Woo! So far, we've had the following interpretations of the figure of the `Whore of Babylon' in Rev 17 & 18: a) The United States of America b) MHO dB) which was as a figure of the fallen spiritual powers who corrupt and oppress human society c) Historical Jerusalem d) Historical Rome Dare I suggest that the passage might be many layered in meaning? How about * The prophecy reveals God's judgement on the corrupt & idolatrous state oppressing his chosen people (d) * That God's judgement extends _especially_ to his once chosen city (c) because, despite that City's special call, it still rejected God's grace at the decisive time (Rev 11:8? - also isn't Rev19:24 equally suggestive of Rome as Jerusalem?) * That the USofA is guilty of many of the crimes of Rome/Babylon (a) and is equally subject to God's judgement * That the Good Book(TM) actually encompasses _all_ these viewpoints by revealing the corrupting spiritual powers warring against mankind through the very society that we've created. (b) Clever, huh? (<-- Flame here!) No need to argue at all! I think Mary's view has a lot of sense because there seems to be a deliberate contrast between Rev 17/18 and Rev 21/22 - the mortal Jerusalem chosen by God but never (historically) fulfilling its vocation and the new Jerusalem perfected (outside of history) purely by God's grace. eg Details like Rev 17:1 `.. who sits on many waters' cf Rev 22 the single stream in the new Jersualem `the river of life flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.'",soc.religion.christian 1209,"I just entered the market for a Radar Detector and am looking for any & all advice/recommendations/warnings/etc from anyone in this group. Email is preferred.",rec.autos 1210," You Ford vs Chevy people must live in the planet of Detroit or Droid. Like they say in the airforce, with enough horsepower anything will fly. I can put a 32valve V-8 with twin Garret-4s on Yugo and get 7.7sec QM. Thats useless ... Its still a Yugo that will loose any race on a track, or on the street. Have you Detroit beings compared the ultra-long-throw stick shifts of the 5.0 with the 93 MR2 turbo or 93 RX7 (I ll buy it in 6 mos) ? Or the Torsen differential of the RX7 compared to the Differential of the 5.0 that sounds in every hairpin turn ? And bythe way 5.0 and Camaro both have drums on the rear breaks ... Hello , this is the 90 's ? Vlasis Theodore Software Engineer",rec.autos 1211," If Prof. Denning is afraid of posting here due to personal attacks, perhaps she should use an anonymous posting service. That is why they are there, to allow heated debate to occur without the personal attacks. Is anon@penet back up yet?",sci.crypt 1212,"Hmmm... A possibility for the software registration conondrum would be to have the distributor register the copy when the software was sold. The clerk sticks it in the store PC and asks for the buyers ID. Later, if pirated versions showed up they could be tracked to the original purchaser. In addition copies which were sent to distributors/stores would have a vendor reg # or serial # in order to track in store piracy. Possible additional program security schemes would be: 1. having monthly password changes which necessitate user call in and registration. (inconvenient) 2. taking dire legal action on anyone caught (expensive) 3. encryption, crc check, self modifying code (limited effectiveness) 4. have an independent watchdog program in the installation/setup config or memory manager, etc. which would check the main program's crc. (only as effective as above methods at best.) 5. have the above watchdog circulating as a virus which would trash cracked copies of the program and/or the offenders hard drive. (risky, and probably illegal, certainly immoral) my new ideas aren't terribly feasible to implement as presented, but I thought if I threw them out people could think of variations that might be effective. What is the problem with parallel port security keys? I haven't used anything that had hardware key copy protection schemes, so I don't know what the drawbacks are. I know the companies that make them claim they're uncrackable, but I've seen cracks of AutoDesk 3d-studio floating around (I don't have one so don't ask) and I had heard that it had parralel port keys.",sci.electronics 1213," Most likely reason is that your backup battery is failing - this battery maintains the contents of the CMOS memory when AC power is turned off, and if the battery is flakey then the contents of the CMOS will be lost and the checksum will be wrong (along with most other of the CMOS data). Try replacing the battery. If, however, your PC doesn't use a battery but a large capacitor to power the CMOS, you should check to see if you can replace the capacitor with a more normal lithium battery. If this isn't possible, make sure you leave your PC on for a half hour or hour each day; this will keep the capacitor charged. I'd opt for the battery change, though.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1214," You shouldn't have ignored the ZyXEL. It can be purchased with a ""Mac bundle"", which includes a hardware-handshaking cable and FaxSTF software. The bundle adds between $35 and $60 to the price of the modem, depending on the supplier. It is true that the modem has no Mac-specific docs, but it doesn't require much 'tweaking' (aside from setting &D0 in the init string, to enable hardware handshaking). For more information on the ZyXEL, including sources, look at various files on sumex-aim.stanford.edu, in info-mac/report.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1215," Oh? What about the precedent in which nuclear weapons information was published in ""The Progressive""? I was under the impression that the court held that prior restraint could NOT be used. Any lawyers out there? -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com",sci.crypt 1216,"I would appreciate it if someone could volunteer to verify the shots on goal and save percentage numbers for me, so I can put these stats on the archive site. Contact me by mail if you want to volunteer. Here are the team goalie stats as of: Wed Apr 21 09:09:38 CST 1993 These stats include games up to and including the Sunday previous to the date listed above. They have been verified against what is printed in my newspaper every Tuesday. They don't print shots and save percentage numbers, so those are not verified. If you have any questions, comments or suggestions, let me know. Randy ------- MP = Minutes Played, GA = Goals against, SO = Shutouts, GAA = Goals against average W = Wins, L = Losses, T = Ties SOG = Shots on Goal, SV = Save Percentage MP GA SO GAA W L T SOG SV TM Player ======================================================= 4106 177 7 2.59 41 18 11 1879 0.906 CHI Ed Belfour 996 49 2 2.95 6 7 1 414 0.882 CHI Jim Waite -------------------------------------------------------------- 5108 230 9 2.70 47 25 12 2296 0.900 CHI 479 18 2 2.25 6 2 0 232 0.922 TOR Daren Puppa 2781 116 2 2.50 25 15 7 1287 0.910 TOR Felix Potvin 1665 87 1 3.14 13 9 4 823 0.894 TOR Grant Fuhr 160 15 0 5.63 0 3 0 91 0.835 TOR Rick Wamsley -------------------------------------------------------------- 5097 241 5 2.84 44 29 11 2438 0.901 TOR 25 1 0 2.40 0 0 0 10 0.900 BOS Mike Bales 1322 64 1 2.90 9 8 4 596 0.893 BOS John Blue 3194 168 3 3.16 37 14 3 1354 0.876 BOS Andy Moog 542 31 0 3.43 5 4 0 225 0.862 BOS Reggie Lemelin -------------------------------------------------------------- 5096 268 4 3.16 51 26 7 2190 0.878 BOS 3702 186 4 3.01 43 14 5 1889 0.902 PIT Tom Barrasso 1368 78 0 3.42 13 7 2 691 0.887 PIT Ken Wregget -------------------------------------------------------------- 5083 268 5 3.16 56 21 7 2582 0.896 PIT 3890 196 1 3.02 29 28 9 2194 0.911 STL Curtis Joseph 1210 74 1 3.67 8 8 2 628 0.882 STL Guy Hebert -------------------------------------------------------------- 5110 278 2 3.26 36 36 11 2825 0.902 STL 1817 94 1 3.10 18 8 4 858 0.890 VAN Kay Whitmore 3261 184 3 3.39 28 21 5 1620 0.886 VAN Kirk McLean -------------------------------------------------------------- 5087 278 4 3.28 46 29 9 2449 0.886 VAN 1193 64 0 3.22 13 4 2 522 0.877 DET Vincent Riendeau 3880 210 4 3.25 34 24 7 1898 0.889 DET Tim Cheveldae -------------------------------------------------------------- 5088 280 4 3.30 47 28 9 2425 0.885 DET 40 1 0 1.50 0 0 0 19 0.947 MTL Frederick Chabot 3595 192 2 3.20 31 25 5 1813 0.894 MTL Patrick Roy 1433 81 1 3.39 17 5 1 686 0.882 MTL Andre Racicot -------------------------------------------------------------- 5087 280 3 3.30 48 30 6 2522 0.889 MTL 1311 70 1 3.20 14 4 1 629 0.889 CAL Jeff Reese 3732 203 2 3.26 29 26 9 1805 0.888 CAL Mike Vernon 65 5 0 4.62 0 0 1 39 0.872 CAL Andrei Trefilov -------------------------------------------------------------- 5120 282 3 3.30 43 30 11 2476 0.886 CAL 1 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 1.000 WAS Byron Dafoe 343 10 2 1.75 3 2 0 162 0.938 WAS Rick Tabaracci 3282 181 1 3.31 27 23 5 1531 0.882 WAS Don Beaupre 1421 83 0 3.50 13 9 2 681 0.878 WAS Jim Hrivnak 20 2 0 6.00 0 0 0 7 0.714 WAS Olaf Kolzig -------------------------------------------------------------- 5085 286 3 3.37 43 34 7 2391 0.880 WAS 3476 193 3 3.33 26 26 5 1683 0.885 MIN Jon Casey 1596 97 1 3.65 10 12 5 803 0.879 MIN Darcy Wakaluk -------------------------------------------------------------- 5090 293 4 3.45 36 38 10 2489 0.882 MIN 1429 75 0 3.15 11 10 4 716 0.895 BUF Dominik Hasek 1694 98 0 3.47 11 15 2 903 0.891 BUF Grant Fuhr 1306 78 0 3.58 11 5 4 706 0.890 BUF Daren Puppa 664 41 0 3.70 5 6 0 344 0.881 BUF Tom Draper -------------------------------------------------------------- 5104 297 0 3.49 38 36 10 2674 0.889 BUF 2655 146 1 3.30 22 20 2 1314 0.889 NYI Glenn Healy 2253 130 0 3.46 17 15 5 1067 0.878 NYI Mark Fitzpatrick 157 10 0 3.82 1 2 0 78 0.872 NYI Danny Lorenz -------------------------------------------------------------- 5088 297 1 3.50 40 37 7 2470 0.880 NYI 1939 110 0 3.40 18 9 4 947 0.884 QUE Stephane Fiset 2988 172 0 3.45 29 16 5 1525 0.887 QUE Ron Hextall 154 10 0 3.90 0 2 1 66 0.848 QUE Jacques Cloutier -------------------------------------------------------------- 5101 300 0 3.53 47 27 10 2536 0.882 QUE 2672 151 2 3.39 19 21 3 1322 0.886 NJ Chris Terreri 2389 146 2 3.67 21 16 4 1180 0.876 NJ Craig Billington -------------------------------------------------------------- 5080 299 4 3.53 40 37 7 2505 0.881 NJ 2757 152 4 3.31 20 18 7 1519 0.900 NYR John Vanbiesbrouck 224 14 0 3.75 1 2 1 116 0.879 NYR Corey Hirsch 2105 134 1 3.82 13 19 3 1184 0.887 NYR Mike Richter -------------------------------------------------------------- 5108 308 5 3.62 34 39 11 2826 0.891 NYR 2512 143 5 3.42 20 17 6 1329 0.892 PHI Tommy Soderstrom 1769 111 1 3.76 13 11 5 932 0.881 PHI Dominic Roussel 802 59 0 4.41 3 9 0 405 0.854 PHI Stephane Beauregard -------------------------------------------------------------- 5107 319 6 3.75 36 37 11 2672 0.881 PHI 3855 227 2 3.53 33 26 6 2119 0.893 WIN Bob Essensa 180 13 0 4.33 2 1 0 96 0.865 WIN Jim Hrivnak 959 70 0 4.38 5 10 0 502 0.861 WIN Rick Tabaracci 73 6 0 4.93 0 0 1 34 0.824 WIN Mike O'Neill -------------------------------------------------------------- 5084 320 2 3.78 40 37 7 2755 0.884 WIN 1591 97 0 3.66 7 19 2 757 0.872 TB Wendell Young 1163 71 0 3.66 8 10 1 573 0.876 TB JC Bergeron 2268 150 1 3.97 8 24 4 1197 0.875 TB Pat Jablonski 45 7 0 9.33 0 1 0 21 0.667 TB David Littman -------------------------------------------------------------- 5088 332 1 3.92 24 53 7 2557 0.870 TB 3753 240 1 3.84 17 38 6 2069 0.884 EDM Bill Ranford 1338 93 0 4.17 9 12 2 763 0.878 EDM Ron Tugnutt -------------------------------------------------------------- 5099 337 1 3.97 26 50 8 2836 0.881 EDM 1735 111 0 3.84 15 8 4 987 0.888 LA Robb Stauber 2718 175 2 3.86 18 21 6 1545 0.887 LA Kelly Hrudey 532 35 0 3.95 6 4 0 294 0.881 LA Rick Knickle 98 13 0 7.96 0 2 0 51 0.745 LA David Goverde -------------------------------------------------------------- 5100 340 2 4.00 39 35 10 2858 0.881 LA 11 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 3 1.000 HAR Corrie D'Alessio 168 9 0 3.21 1 1 1 87 0.897 HAR Mike Lenarduzzi 867 57 0 3.94 5 9 1 499 0.886 HAR Mario Gosselin 2656 184 0 4.16 16 27 3 1470 0.875 HAR Sean Burke 1373 111 0 4.85 4 15 1 784 0.858 HAR Frank Pietrangelo -------------------------------------------------------------- 5097 369 0 4.34 26 52 6 2851 0.871 HAR 1326 95 0 4.30 2 17 1 743 0.872 OTT Daniel Berthiaume 3388 250 0 4.43 8 46 3 1711 0.854 OTT Peter Sidorkiewicz 90 10 0 6.67 0 2 0 44 0.773 OTT Darrin Madeley 249 30 0 7.23 0 5 0 146 0.795 OTT Steve Weeks -------------------------------------------------------------- 5074 395 0 4.67 10 70 4 2656 0.851 OTT 2074 142 1 4.11 7 26 0 1250 0.886 SJ Arturs Irbe 60 5 0 5.00 0 1 0 46 0.891 SJ Wade Flaherty 2000 176 0 5.28 2 30 1 1220 0.856 SJ Jeff Hackett 930 86 0 5.55 2 14 1 559 0.846 SJ Brian Hayward -------------------------------------------------------------- 5077 414 1 4.89 11 71 2 3079 0.866 SJ ",rec.sport.hockey 1217,"I thought the first thread was hilarious, so here goes another post. Some more background information on what has happened to my poor batteries. One year, I left the batteries in the garage. The garage is Unheated. They were left in their places that they needed to be. One in the riding lawnmower (what a lux) and one in each motorcycle. The battery in the riding lawnmower was about 3-4 years old, and one of the cycle batteries was new, and one was around 5 years old. Upon spring time, I discovered that all of the batteries were dead, and needed to be recharged. They all worked properly, except for the older ones, and they had to be replaced about halfway through the summer. (they had originally been stored in the garage, and I think I remember my dad charging them in spring) Last year, I decided to bring them in to the basement, which has two parts. one is dirt and brick, and the other is concrete. I brought in all three, and discovered in the spring, (about 15 days ago) that not only were the batteries dead, but when I put the charger on them, the charger said ""HMMMMMMMM"" and the amp-meter read around 1,000,000,000 (In other words, it was pinned) the internal circut tripped, and I went on to the other batteries. They were the same. Realizing that we still had 2 GIGANTIC sailboat batteries, also lead acid, I decided to put the charger on them. (these had been sitting for around 1 and a half years, on the brick and dirt part) and noticed that they only needed a small charge, around 2 hours or so on trickle. I tested them by using them at the local gas station for giving jump starts, and they worked fine for around 25 of 'em. This leads me to believe one of several things. 1) I bought really #$%tty batteries last year. (sorta true) 2) the concrete has something to do with the discharge of the batteries. 3) There was enough moisture to short out the terminals in the room where the concrete is, 4) The dirt room was able to absorb the moisture in the air better than concrete. (BTW, I can almost waterski in the dirt room) ",sci.electronics 1218," Brian, have you checked out what your priests told you in the Bible to see whether they were telling you the truth? Did you know that according to the Bible, there shouldn't even be such things as ""priests"" anymore? Do you know why the preisthood was established in the Old Testament to begin with and the reasons why after Jesus, there were no priests--that is until the Roman Catholic Church 300 years later devised the doctrine of transubstantiation by ignoring the whole concept beyond the book of Hebrews? You said you analyzed the Bible very closely. I think you are lying. For if you had, I would think you would have at least got the doctrine of hell straight.",talk.religion.misc 1219,"Hi. I'm looking for a 3D shark for use in a ray tracing rountine I'm doing. I'll be using Vivid or POV, but it can be in any format. Are there any FTP sites with 3D objects or does anyone have a good 3D shark? Thanks alot! Chad ",comp.graphics 1220,"(Susan Clark) asks: I am not so sure about the celebrated players of the game, but Tod Hartje, who played for Harvard in college and then went on to play in the AHL (initially for Moncton and currently for Providence-- thanks to Daryl Turner for the update!) appeared on David Letterman's show about two years ago now. Tod has the distinction of being the first American born player to go and play in the former Soviet Union. This was arranged by Jets GM Mike Smith while Tod was playing in Moncton at about the time all those European players were coming over to North America to play in the NHL. Tod spent a year playing in Russia and played with or against some of the Russian players who have just entered the NHL in the last two years. He wrote a book on his experiences called ""Behind the Red Line"" (check it out!) and appeared on the Letterman show to talk about them. -- Mike ",rec.sport.hockey 1221,"I'd like to appeal to the net's NT wizards for a bit of advice. First a general description of the machine as follows: Motherboard: Utron 33 mhz Opti chipset, 20 meg memory, 256kb cache (soon I hope to drop a DX2 chip into it) Fahrenheit 1280 video (1 meg, 1024x768x256) ProAudio Spectrum 16 sound board primary disk = Connor CP30174 on a caching IDE controller secondary disk = Conner CP30174 as slave on same controller tertiary disk = Fujitsu ??? 650 meg on Superstore ESDI controller planned future disks include SCSI HD and CD ROM on PAS16 SCSI port Tape drive is a Colorado Jumbo 250 on the Floppy controller future tape drive may be a DAT on the SCSI interface. Other hardware includes modem/fax, serial ports, and a teletext board (ugly dos software drives the latter) Applications used include normal windows stuff (excel, word, Quicken and Turbo Pascal/Windows) but the important stuff is my Audio work environment which includes Turtle beach Wave for Windows, MCS Stereo, and other misc stuff for dinking around with audio files. Also I use Stacker on the primary drive, HP Newwave (for my wife's use, and she won't let me get rid of it!), and a product called Infinite Disk from Chili Pepper Software for hierarchical storage management of my seldom used offline files. I plan to upgrade to NT, when it becomes a released product. I was stongly tempted to become a beta user early on, but I don't have time to mess around with the hassles of beta software. I expect to buy it, tear off the shrink wrap, and use it without hassle (I know, unrealistic, but I can hope can't I, after all, I have work to do). The advice I want concerns the state of NT regarding device drivers, and hardware specific stuff in general. How smoothly can I expect the upgrade to go? Can I expect support for all my stuff, or do I still need to scramble around downloading drivers (PAS?, Orchid?, Colorado?) from some bbs, etc. What steps should I take to ensure the installation goes smoothly. Note that I want to nuke dos totally from the system. I'm allergic to command lines! I plan to run a ""pure"" NT system. Also, will NT communicate with the workgroups lan? What about stacker? I currently have stacker on the first disk drive. Without Stacker, and the Infinite Disk product, I will have great difficulty fitting everything I have on the system (It's cramped now). I realize Stacker will be incompatible with NT, but will there be an NT version? Or will NT support compression a la Dos 6? I know Infinite Disk will be incompatible with NT, but will they offer (or does anybody else) a comparable product for NT and at what cost? (perhaps I need to ask Chili Pepper that question) I can live without ID if I have to, but I'd rather not. Will NT run my DOS apps (the teletext board mainly) without DOS on the system? What do I need to keep around? Any feedback or advice (including ""forget NT"" with good reasons) is much appreciated. My only significant reason for moving to NT is I need a better multitasking environment than Windows (among other reasons, WAVE locks up the machine for hours and hours doing DSP processing on large audio files), and I want better lan support than I now have (Internet access, etc). Maybe there are better solutions than NT and if so, I would appreciate hearing about them (OS/2? What's it's status these days?) Pls respond by email and if there is interest I'll summarize for the net.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1222," Grant Fuhr has done this to a lot better coaches than Brian Sutter...",rec.sport.hockey 1223,": Arrogance is arrogance. It is not the result of religion, it is the result : of people knowing or firmly believing in an idea and one's desire to show : others of one's rightness. I assume that God decided to be judge for our : sake as much as his own, if we allow him who is kind and merciful be the : judge, we'll probably be better off than if others judged us or we judged : ourselves. I'm not sure I agree with this 100%. I agree that arrogance is not the result of religion and that God is a far better judge than we are. I also agree if you mean to say that arrogance shows up in the form of trying to prove one's superior knowledge, rightness, or holiness over another person's beliefs. I need to be careful to understand what you mean here so that I do not fall into the mistake of misrepresenting your views. If I fall down in this area I hope you will forgive me. Arrogance is not the result of believing one is right or of believing that one's God is greater than the god's of others or of believing that one's religion is better than other religions. These are all naturally self-implied beliefs. It is self-contradictory to say that I believe my current beliefs to be wrong. Were I to find myself in error, my beliefs would naturally change and follow what I believe to be right. Therefore, I must always consider my beliefs correct. That's not arrogance. That's unavoidable behavior. It is nonsense to say that I believe another person's god to be greater than my God. Were his or her god greater, wouldn't I be obligated to change so that their god would become my God? We are naturally obligated to worship that God which we deem to be the greatest. Why should we feel obligated to worship a second best god for the sake of feeling humble? Arrogance is not necessarily thinking onesself to be better looking or more intelligent or stronger or having more resources than another person. No doubt many will have to chew on this one awhile. Were passive observation of one's superior points arrogance, then God would be most arrogant of all. Humility does not rest in slandering or belittling God's work of creation in our lives. People often go around trying to be humble saying to one another, ""I'm not very smart. I'm poor. I'm not good looking. I'm just a worm in the ground. I'm such a weak person and although I don't want to sin, I really cannot help it."" Were this person truely humble, he would take a different approach. ""God, thank you for making me the way you did. I know that you never do anything second best. Yet with all that you have given me, I have been so unthankful. You've given me power to resist the devil. I have not used it but have indulged myself in doing exactly what you have said not to do. I have slandered your creation in my life and have credited myself with humility for doing so. Lord, with all you've given me, I have been completely unfaithful and I do not deserve your forgiveness. And, yet Your love for me is so boundless that you would give Yourself to die for me to save me. As terribly evil as I am, I deserve to go straight to hell, yet it pleases you somehow to rescue me from this terrible life I've led. Lord, please forgive me and help me stay on the right track so that I can bring glory to Your Name instead of insult. Lord I'm so sorry for my wrongs. Please help me to change."" : : I think people take exceptional offense to religious arrogance because : they don't want to be wrong. If I find someone arrogant, I typically : don't have anything to do with them. For me, I've often found it hard to tell the difference. Often times, the most humble christian has come across to me as arrogant while the most proud ""worm in the ground"" false humility type person has been found to be most comfortable company. When I'm wrong and arrogant about my wrongness, I certainly don't feel like being confronted by my wrongness. Were someone to confront me verbally with my wrongness, I'd be likely to snap at them and examine them head to toe for all their faults and charge them with hypocricy for what they said to me. At the root, my desire would be to make them shut up so that I can go about living my life arrogantly as I wish. However, were someone to confront me silently by their example, earn my respect, and perhaps mention it to me in humility in private, I'd feel broken down and challenged to seek God for help in changing from the error of my ways. The hard part is getting to the point to where I can be humble before anyone regardless of their humility or pride--regardless of their hypocricy or sincerity--regardless of whether onlookers will frown down upon me or not. It isn't easy to take this pain in love with thankfulness for the opportunity to improve in one's ability to serve God. It's easier to cast aside any hope of reaching true humility and merely hide behind slandering God's creation in our lives instead. : But we should examine ourselves [I hope I typed this back in right] : and why we react to certain situations with such emotions. For instance, : many of us feel ""justified"" to be insulted by an arrogant person. As if : we needed a reason to feel insulted. But after being insulted over and : over again by the words of others, you'd think we'd either toughen up : or decide not to be insulted, or ignore the insult. Just because you : can justify feelings of anger or insult or outrage, that doesn't make that : reaction the appropriate one. It is in this light of self-examination : that we can change our emotional reactions. : Sometimes it helps when we can understand and feel the difference between what is a true statement of our character and what is a false and slanderous statement of our character. The devil is the accuser of the bretheren. He would love us to feel hopelessly guilty where we are innocent and feel arrogant and self-righteous where we are indeed wrong. The devil's aim is to get us into as much misery as he can. Just think of the devil as a cruel and merci- less criminal who torments a parent by burning his or her children with hot irons. The way the devil gets under the Father's skin is by hurting those that the Father loves so much. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I deplore the horrible crime of child murder... We want prevention, not merely punishment. We must reach the root of the evil... It is practiced by those whose inmost souls revolt from the dreadful deed... No mater what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed... but oh! thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime.""",soc.religion.christian 1224," Well, there are several bursts in species diversity I can think of. The Cambrian and Ordovician explosions resulted in a vast increase in animal diversity. Likewise, after the one-two punch of the Permian and Triassic extinctions, the number of marine animals rose steadily (**) to an all-time high (*) just prior to the spread of humans. (**) biggest exception being the K/T (bye bye dinos) extinction (*) about 800 families Also, plants arose from green algae and colonized the land in succesive sweeps. Mosses colonized very wet environments first, ferns (who had evolved vascular tissues) took over more territory when they evolved (1). These were eventually (mostly) replaced by gymnosperms (pines and the like) (2) and then (mostly) displaced by angiosperms (flowering plants -- now the dominant plant group on the planet(3). Fungi also radiated greatly with the invasion of the land. (1) around the carboniferous (up to about 200 families) (2) around the triassic (up to maybe 250 families) (3) starting in the cretaceous (rising to about 600 families currently) It's unclear (to me at least) what the max equilibrium number of species the earth can hold (***) and if it has ever hit this in the past. It could be (warning: speculation alert) that diversity has never reached a peak because mass extinctions happen often enough to keep the total number down. (***) This would depend a great deal on how fragmented specific ecosystems were. See Cowen's book ""History of Life"" for a not-too-technical run-down on, well, like the title sez, the history of life. Or see, Wilson's ""Diversity of Life"" for a view centered more on current ecology -- this is (IMHO) the best popular biology book of (what the hell, I'll say it) all time. Follow-ups to t.o.",sci.space 1225," It seems you lived a fairly 'wild life'-- my background is far more traditional, mostly working, working, working. Maybe there's a clear indication that the way you lived your life produced a certain amount of anxiety that needed to be released. Religion was one possible medicine. While my more stable environment didn't and still does not produce the situation where I feel such guilt. This is just one possible explanation why you feel this burden, while I haven't felt it so far. Regards, Kent",talk.religion.misc 1226,"Let's not forget Al Michaels, of ""Do you believe in miracles?"" fame.",rec.sport.baseball 1227,"Maybe I should have been clearer. I have a Intel 386DX/25 that I would like to use to put together a system however all the motherboards that the local vendors are now selling are running either at 33 or 40 MHz. I guess I can cross my fingers and hope the CPU runs at that speed. ;^) I think I'll take Mark's advice and see if any of the boards have a socketed oscillator and head down to the local electronics store... Thanks for the info...",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1228,"The *real* way to speed up ballgames is for each home park owner to offer the following schedule of bonuses to players on *both* teams: For all players who participated in the game, offer $500 for each 10 minutes less than 3 hours the game took (i.e. if the game only took 2.5 hours, each player gets a bonus of $1500). For all pitchers throwing 3 or more full innings in the game, extrapolate the number of pitches or attempted pickoffs to the number they would have thrown in a full 9 innings, and offer $500 for each number less than 120. (If the pitcher throws a complete game with 100 pitches and 5 throws to first he would get $7500). I suspect you could finance this the same way Presidential campaigns are paid for. Offer each fan a checkoff on his or her ticket that says ""I want 5% of the price of this ticket to go towards fast game bonuses""...",rec.sport.baseball 1229," You are somewhat close to truth. But you shouldn't forget that nationality is a recent invention of the western europe. In the days of the Ottoman empire, the religion was the main point of difference between social classes. The Ottomans didn't recognize Turks, Arabs, Greeks, Serbs... Just christians, muslims, jews... So, for all the interested parties in the Ottoman society the bosnian muslims were ""Turks"". After all, there aren't many ""real"" (ethnic) Turks living even in Turkey today. Even in Europe, it's the culture that defines the ethnicity and religion is part of one's culture. Can you support this?",talk.politics.mideast 1230,"I cured mine with Bag Balm which I bought at the local farm supply store. It is relatively cheap and works in a few days. The product was developed to treat sore udders. ",sci.med 1231," Uh, Bill James doesn't sell statistics. He sells books with statistics, but he is not in the business of providing stats like Elias, STATS, Howe, Baseball workshop etc. are.",rec.sport.baseball 1232," Another F2 rider had similiar problems, and this is the mail I sent him, hope this helps resolve you problem! AT Good point, did not catch this in the original post. The only other things which come to mind, since this is a gravity feed fuel system, is this. The fuel petcock valve is vacuum controlled from the #1 carburator. Let suppose there is a small hole or bad seal either in the hose itself or the vacuum valve in the fuel petcock. When it is cold, the hole is open enough to open the valve just enough to allow gas to the carbs with the choke on, since the choke creates more low pressure in the carbs when on to draw gas, and as the engine and surrounding area warm up, the hole seals up. One way to check fuel flow through the valve would be to pull the side panels off and remove the fuel hose to the carbs. Connect a tube of the correct size, preferably clear tubing to observe fuel flow, on the output side of the fuel petcock. Remove the control hose from #1 carburator. Make sure the tank is full. Place the valve in the ON position and apply vacuum to the control hose, preferably with a vacuum device with a gauge, to check for air leaks. With vacuum applied, fuel should flow freely. To see if there is a vent problem, do this with the fuel filler cap open and closed, if it flows a lot faster with the filler cap open, then there may be something in the vent airway which changes position and depending on the position may clog or partially clog the vent. I have heard of some F2 fuel tanks being replaced to fix this problem. So the things which might be defective are, the control hose from #1 carb, the petcock valve, and possibly the fuel tank vent. Now if all of the above shows no problem of fuel flow when cold, then there is something in the carbs screwed up, but there are so many things to check, I would be typing all day to list them all! Here are a few, with everything back together, apply vacuum to the petcock valve and open the drain holes on the carbs one by one to check fuel flow. Open up the airbox and check for foreign debris or clogged airways on the carbs, there are quite a few on each carb. I hope something is flushed out with all this trouble shooting. If American Honda does not resolve this, get MAD AS HELL and report them to the BBB and call the Honda Customer Service HOTLINE. It is a 800 number, but I don't recall it off the top of my head. I called just about tires for my F2 and a few days later a customer satisfaction inquiry card arrived at home asking how I liked the support I received, here would be your chance to tell them what you think!",rec.motorcycles 1233," Please tell me where I can get a CD on the Wergo Music label for less than $20. foolishly,",misc.forsale 1234," Damned if you do and Damned if you don't! Just for the record, Egyptian troops were one of the first to be stationed there. I can't remember the exact date but it was late last year. In fact, they lost at least one man there as far as I know. ",talk.politics.mideast 1235,"Can anyone provide me a ftp site where I can obtain a online version of the Book of Mormon. Please email the internet address if possible.",talk.religion.misc 1236,"Stupid question from a new IBM PC user: I'm going to be selling my Mac and getting a Gateway 2000. What is the difference between IDE HD and SCSI HD? The GW 486DX-33V comes with a 250MB Western Digital IDE drive. I asked how much more for the Seagate 500MB SCSI drive. The guy asked me ""Why are you going with SCSI?"". I was lost for an answer. I just said ""I know Seagate better as a company, from a satisfaction point of view"". Are SCSI drives faster than IDE? I'm not buying my GW for another 4 months or so, but this is a question that has bugged me for a while.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1237,"21 Apr 1993 egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Writes: -->}Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human, -->}we have *all* the advantages. --> -->I agree with this 100%. -- --Me, too... for chihuahua's. The police and the military don't train --dobermans and shephards and use them as weapons because they are so --easy for the average Joe to defeat barehanded. You may have opposing --thumbs, but the dog has teeth so effective some of yours are named for --him. He has IR vision, better hearing and better smell than you do, --and most likely faster reflexes. -- --You're on a motorcycle, he's on paws. Roll on and blow him off. He --doesn't even have net access. -- -- --Ed Green C'mon Ed......... a) All things have their weak areas b) What's IR....Idiot Response......Dogs have more Rods or Cones (I'm not sure which?) than humans and this allows their eyes to collect more light in lower light conditions. Consequently their colour vision is almost non-existant. I mean, if dogs had built in infra-red vision, the armed forces would be strapping them to missiles instead of paying a quarter million for IR guidance capabilities. c) My dog has net access ! ! \_/",rec.motorcycles 1238,WANTED - 4 256K 60ns SIPS,None 1239,"I've got an old Super VGA card manufactured by SAMPO of Taiwan and I'm looking for a Windows 3.1 Driver for it. It's based on the Cirrus Logic CL-GD510A-32PC-B chip. I've contacted the suppliers here in New Zealand and they say that only Windows 2 divers were ever written by the manufacturer. So if there's a V3.1 driver out for this chip set I'd like to know - preferably by e-mail at rjwjames@waikato.ac.nz Thanks is advance",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1240,"Does anybody know where I can get a copy of System 6.0.8L. It is a modified version of System 6 that will work on the newer Mac models.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1241,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) 1] An english translation of this can be found in: ""The Acts of the Apostles, translated from the Codex Bezae, with an introduction on its Lucan Origin and Importance"", J. M. Wilson (London, 1923). 2] Another work that might be useful is: ""The Acts of the Apostles, a Critical Edition with Introduction and Notes on Selected Passages"", Albert C. Clark (Oxford, 1933; reprinted 1970). (This is an edition of text of Acts that makes the assumption that the text in Codex Bezae is the more authentic. I don't know if it actually contains an english translation or not.) 3] Another useful that discusses many of the variants in detail is: ""The Theological Tendency of the Codex Bezae Cantabrigiensis in Acts"", Eldon J Epp (Cambridge, 1966). 4] The most recent reference I found was an edition in French from the early '80s. (I can supply the reference if anyone's interested.) 5] Now, many of the works are going to be difficult to find. So if you're interested in examining the differences in the long recension an excellent (and easily obtainable) discussion can be found in: ""A Textual Commentary on the Greek NT"", Bruce Metzger (United Bible Society, 1971). Metzger's book serves as a companion volume to the UBS 3rd edition of the Greek NT. It contains a discussion on the reasoning that went behind the decisions on each of the 1440 variant readings included in the UBS3. Furthermore, notes on an addition 600 readings are included in aTCotGNT (the majority of these occur in Acts). ""[An attempt was made] to set before the reader a more or less full report (with an English translation) of the several additions and other modifications that are attested by Western witnesses ... Since many of these have no corresponding apparatus in the text-volume, care was taken to supply an adequate conspectus of the evidence that supports the divergent readings."" (p 272). 6] Most of the copies of the text of Acts that we have (including the ones in Vaticanus and Siniaticus) adher pretty closely to the shorter (or Alexandrian) version. The longer version to which you refer is usually called the ""Western"" version and its main witness is the Codex Bezae (althought there are a few other rather fragmentary sources). 7] As far as size, the difference is that in Clark's edition (mentioned above) the book of Acts contains 19,983 words whereas the text edited by Westcott and Hort (a typical Alexandrian text) contains 18,401 words; i.e. a difference of about 8-1/2%. 8] To answer the obvious questions, no, there are no major revelations in the longer text nor major omissions in the shorter text. The main difference seems to ""expansion"" of detail in the Western text (or, if you prefer ""contractions"" in the Alexandrian). The Western text seems to be given to more detail. There are some interesting specific cases, but this probably not the place to go into it in detail. 9] The discussion over the years as to which of these versions is the more authentic has been hot and heavy. If there is anything approaching a modern consensus it is (i) that neither text represents purely the ""authentic"" version, (ii) each variant reading has to be examined on its own merits however, (iii) the variant in the Alexandrian text is the ""better"" more often than not.",soc.religion.christian 1242," Hei Pei. I can not help you directly width you problem, but there may be intermediate roads to take to get to the IFF. I am using a converter that can take IGES, IIF, DXF -> IGES, MILESPEC I IGES, MILESPEC II IGES, IIF, MILESPEC I IIF, MILESPEC II IIF and DXF. IIF is IBM IGES FORMAT. There may be converters out there that can handle IGES to IFF. Hope this was to any help. By the way the converter is part of the IGES Processor/6000 package from IBM and it runs on RS/6000 AIX.",comp.graphics 1243,"TRAILER FOR SALE 1990 Hooper Auto Transport Trailer 16' x 6.5' Flatbed 4 Ton Gross Weight Capacity Tandem Axle Suspension 7 x 14.5 MH Nylon Tires Comes With a Spare Tire Electric Brakes Stop Lights & Turn Signals Loading Ramps - Tilt for Towing - Removable Front Steel Fence - Removable Stake Sides - for attaching sideboards, tiedowns, etc Rigged for Hauling Automobile, Tractor, Equipment, etc. Less than 4000 miles since new Serialized, with Title and Registration Papers For sale by Original Owner @ $795 Big hook-end chain and 4"" web ratchet tiedown negotiable ",misc.forsale 1244," You are stuck in a distributed system feedback loop! What if you are on an Xterminal or running xterm over the net to another machine? That is when the load problems occur. If you had a machine with 20 Xterminals attached and they all had blinking cursors in xterm's, this could represent a considerable ethernet bandwidth waste. I'm not picking on you, just people keep forgetting that there is a lot of life out there besides distributed or singleuser ""Workstations""!",comp.windows.x 1245,"You can't call time when there's a play in progress. Ryan Robbins Penobscot Hall University of Maine",rec.sport.baseball 1246," +>Critisism is too easy. What solutions do people have that would have been +>better than what the FBI had been doing for the last few months? After the seige began: Surround the place with Razor wire and then let them sit. Do not have daily press conferences, do your best to keep things out of the press. As things get more and more miserable inside, one of two things is going to happen: 1. People will start coming out. 2. They will commit suicide in mass at some point. The thing to remember about (2) is that hysterical situations and ""assults"" play into the hands of a ""leader"" who has picked this course. Its much easier to stampede people into something like suicide if there is gas coming in and bullets in the air. Let them be hungry and miserable for longer and longer and it will probably be more effective. The ""possiblity"" that they would all kill themselves at some point would not bother me in the least or alter tactics. If people are going to take their own lives, the best you can probably do is prevent yourself from giving them the opportunity or an excuse to do it.",talk.politics.misc 1247,"I appeal to to all of you to show up in Washington DC. this saturday to participate in a peaceful demonstration for the sake of humanity!! This is a critical point in the history of world and we can make a change otherwise things will not change there in Bosnia.. Rapes/killings/ethnic cleansing will go on as a norm in the days to follow. The UN will get to the towns after the fall of thousands of inocent civilians (like in Zapa just the past weekend!). It happened to the Jews in 1940's, it's happening to the muslims today and who will be the next victim?? Since the Europeans want to remain indifferent in this issue, time has come for US to take a leadership role to stop these crimes against humanity. Time is now and this is for real folks, the people of New England Bosnian Relief Committee seriously believe that Clinton's Adminstration will stop supporting the Bosnian cause without sustained public pressure. I just called Democaratic Sen. John Kerry's office and they are saying that he (the senator) is waiting for president to take a decision, means that he will wait and join the band-wagon later if it ever moves! Please don't rely on others to take part in this demonstration -You as an individual will make a big difference. Bring your families too, not only you will help a great cause but also it will be fun for all. I know of several families from Massachusetts who are travelling friday night to participate there. Contact the local Islamic center or Bosnia relief agency if you want to travel by pre-arranged busses. The best option for students is to rent-a-car and car-pool. Please, spread the word around... Regards, Khalid Chishti If you live in Massachusetts and want more info: Call Ginan (from New England Bosnian Relief Committee): 617-623-1973 OR New England Bosnian Relief Committee phone no: (617) 464-0111 ",talk.politics.mideast 1248,"Hi, I have the following problem: I have to use a computer for special purposes that doesn't have a monitor and keyboard connected. No monitor isn't a program - but no keyboard. I can't disable the keyboard from BIOS setup (in fact, there is no setup). I spoke to someone who said that he had fooled the BIOS with simply using a self-made connector that connects two pins via a resistor. Pity, pity... I lost contact to the person before getting more detail. So does anyone of you experts can help? Thanks for any hints, even vague ones :-) Thomas",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1249,"Depends on the FDC but generally No. The drive at the end after the twist should be set as Drive 0 Since you're using the 5.25 as drive A: it should be at the end after the twist with the resistor pack fitted. Yes Hope this helps. I had exactly the same problems. Unfortunately when I changed to different machine the problems started again because of a different FDC. Seems (don't flame me, this is mainly guess work from practicle experience) that some FDC's do different things with the select.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1250,"A few weeks ago I saw an ad in the German magazine c't about a so-called Videostreamer. This is an interface between a PC's parallel port and any video-recorder for backing up your data on a videotape. The company (DataSave?) claims that it can store up to 7 GB on a 300 minutes tape. ^^^^^^^^^^ It costs DM 250.- (about USD 200, I think) My question is: Does anybody use this product, if yes, how many bytes REALLY fit on a 300 minutes tape (7 GB sounds quite unbelievable to me). However, any comments on the interface are appreciated. Please mail your replies directly to me, I will sum up if neccesary. Thanks in advance...",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1251,"Does anyone belong to or know any facts about the Christian Reformed Church?",soc.religion.christian 1252," Yeah, People act really shocked about violence, as though it were new to our species... What about the holocaust? The crusades? The Salem witch trials? The religious persecutions of the middle-ages? What about violent acts carried out in the name of religion all over the world? What about the early Christians put to death by the Romans? The Jews persecuted by Christians? There are a lot more humans today than there have ever been. I do not know the stats, but there are far more people on the planet than there were 2 or 3 hundred years ago! The per capita acts of violence are probably not significantly different than they were a hundred or a thousand years ago! There is nothing new about violence.",rec.autos 1253," Well, suppose your mother was a crack addict and crack user/abuser while she was pregnant? Suppose your husband gave you some SDT (this recently happened to a close friend of my wife and mine)? OFTEN, the consequences of our sin are at least partially inflicted on innocent people. Several times in the OT, this is pointed out, even saying that descendants would suffer consequences for a person's sin for several generations. Even today, we see multi-generational (to coin a phrase) effects from alcoholism, child abuse, and spousal abuse just to name three. So, God's definition of fair and ours differ. Some points of perspective: Though the predisposition towards sinning is now inbred (see Webster's first definition of inbred) thanks to Adam, it is arrogant and foolish for any of us to think we would have done any different if we were in their shoes. I know myself pretty well, and I'm just not that good. Take God's word for it, neither are you. ""There is no one righteous..."" More important, when a person decides to be a disciple of Jesus, God promises supernatural help in overcoming our physical self's sinful tendency. We can, of course, choose to ignore this help. (Rom 7,8) ""...God made mankind upright, but men have gone in search of many schemes."" -Eccl Mark",soc.religion.christian 1254,"hartzman@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Les Hartzman) writes... Les, I am right now working on an MPR-II certified (Swedish standards for low emissions) Hitachi Superscan 15 monitor. It's 1024x768, up to 72hz at that res, and it got a good write-up for image quality in a recent (Feb.?) issue of PC Magazine. As far as I know, very little fully matches a NEC in image quality (at least according to the mags -- I can't tell any difference between the two!), but I think NEC is low emissions on only one of the two types. There's VLF (Very Low Frequency) and ELF (I think that's Extremely Low Frequency). The MPR-II standards set strict limits on both. But many comapnies, NEC included according to one article I read (I get a bunch of mags so it's hard for me to remember which!), which claim ""low emissions"" but not specifically ""MPR-II Compliant"" or ""MPR-II Certified"" only control for one, usually VLF, and ignore the other. So, the NEC probably has higher overall image quality (I consis- tently hear it rated as the best or close to the best), but not as low emissions as the Hitachi. I like my image quality, but for all I know you may be more discerning. Good luck! - Mitch v063kcbp@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1255,"Due it seems to Sun's crapulous organisation of the X libraries and includes, most standard (GNU and other) software won't compile out of the box (well, tar file). Right now I'm trying to make ghostview. It complains it can't find X11/XaW/... so I just linked (ln -s) the files from /usr/openwin/share/include/X11 and now the ghoddam thing _still_ complains it can't find them. I still haven't been able to compile xdvi, not no way. Has anyone _ever_ managed to get _anything_ normal to compile on a Sun (SunOS 4.1.3 and OpenWindows 3)? What's the trick I'm missing? I've even tried hard copying all the relevant files into the ""right"" places and every time, there's some bit missing or it refuses to find it.",comp.windows.x 1256," The Catholic doctrine of predestination does not exclude free will in any way. Since God knows everything, He therefore knows everything that is going to happen to us. We have free will, and are able to change what happens to us. However, since God knows everything, He knows all the choices we will make ""in advance"" (God is not subject to time). Too often arguments pit predestination against free will. We believe in both. That last sentence of Steve's is an important one to remember. There are certain things in the Catholic religion that cannot be completely comprehended by a human being. Were this not the case, it would be good evidence that the religion was man-made. In the case of predestination, you have to reconcile two things that would at first appear to be irreconcilable: the sovereignty of God's will over all things, and man's free will in deciding his own fate. Catholics believe in both! But that doesn't mean that anyone has come up with a pat reconciliation...",soc.religion.christian 1257,"I have some more 35mm slide projectors for sale regardless for my first post. All with new light bulb, no lens, no remote controller. All inperfect working condition. 1. Kodak Carousel 800 non-AF $60 2. Kodak carousel 760H autofocus $85 3. Singer Caramate II, w/built-in lens, casette player non-AF $40 4. Singer Caramate SP, w/built-in lens, casette player non-AF $45",misc.forsale 1258,"I have uploaded the most recent Windows drivers for the Cirrus GD5426 chip based display cards to the uploads directory at ftp.cica.indiana.edu (file is 5426dr13.zip). They're very recent, I downloaded them from the Cirrus BBS (570-226-2365) last night. If you are unable to get them there, email me and maybe I can upload them to some other sites as well. I have a local bus based card (VL24 Bitblaster from Micron) but I think the drivers work with ISA cards (or at least includes drivers for them). I found the new drivers to be a significant improvement over the 1.2 version, improving my graphic winmarks (v3.11) by about 2 million (7.77 to 9.88) although this could be the result of intentional benchmark cheating on Cirrus's part but I don't think so. From Steve Gibson's (columnist for Info World) graphic card comparisons (also found at the cica ftp site under the name winadv.zip) I extracted the following for the sake of comparison: Wintach Winbn3.11 Word Sprsht Cad Paint Overall Steve's system: 486/33 VLB: ATI Graphics Ultra Pro 9.33 10.34 20.78 8.28 14.90 13.58 my system - 486sx/33 VLB: VL24 Bitblaster 9.88 8.65 11.71 18.84 15.40 13.65 Its no Viper, but I think its a hell of a deal at about a third of the cost of the ATI card and when compared to the other cards included in Gibson's review. Micron system owner's, I would be interested to hear your opinions on the DTC 2270VL local bus disk controller. My system came with a Maxtor 7120 drive (120 MB) and at first was only giving me disk winmarks of about 16 Kb/s, I am now at 22 Kb/s. Is this about as good as it gets? I can't get a Norton's sysinfo disk reading because the contoller intercepts the calls, at least that was what the program said. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1259,"... Well, lets for a hypothetical put our selves in the place of the US end of the drug rings. What do we do about the Cripple chip? First off, we would express disaproval to our congress critters, and remind them of the large sums of money our legitimate co.s provide to their campain coffers. We would also let them know via the 'other' channels that a) their income is about to take a hit, and b) their health may not be too good either. But just in case, the next obvious step to take is to BUY Mycotoxic and VLSI! Yeah, free enterprise at work. :-) Now they have the Cripple in their pockets, literaly as well as figurativly. Tough about the masses though.",sci.crypt 1260,"F O R S A L E ================ Triumph Spitfire '76, 1500 - Convertible - 54,000k original miles - Burgandy Color - Wooden Dashboard - No rust - Garage kept - Heater - Chrome bumpers(not the black plastic crap) - Brand new top - Asking $3,000 --negotiable * Mechanically the car is in a very good shape and it is running very-very strong(if you know what I mean)...:) * Plenty of catalogs and manuals are coming with the car If you are interested in the car please reply to this message. I AM NOT INTERESTED OR WILLING TO SELL ANY PARTS. The car is in a very good condition to strip it. ",misc.forsale 1261,"Does anyone know of any free X-servers for PCs, preferably that run under MS Windows? THANKS.",comp.windows.x 1262," Don't be so vague. Let us reexamine it - shall we? Here you descend into total inanity. Your inability to distinguish between 'the cold-blooded genocide of Muslim people by the Armenians' and 'the Armenian war' is incredible. Now, please provide us with your corrections. Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. ""In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the next two days."" ""Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions, Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims. Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common soldiers began deserting in droves."" ""With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks, Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."" ""...Meanwhile, Czar Nicholas II himself came to the Caucasus to make final plans for cooperation with the Armenians against the Ottomans, with the president of the Armenian National Bureau in Tiflis declaring in response: 'From all countries Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks of the glorious Russian Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian arms...Let the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the Bosporus. Let, with Your will, great Majesty, the peoples remaining under the Turkish yoke receive freedom. Let the Armenian people of Turkey who have suffered for the faith of Christ receive resurrection for a new free life under the protection of Russia.'[155] Armenians again flooded into the czarist armies. Preparations were made to strike the Ottomans from the rear, and the czar returned to St. Petersburg confident that the day finally had come for him to reach Istanbul."" [155] Horizon, Tiflis, November 30, 1914, quoted by Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 45; FO 2485, 2484/46942, 22083. ""Ottoman morale and military position in the east were seriously hurt, and the way was prepared for a new Russian push into eastern Anatolia, to be accompanied by an open Armenian revolt against the sultan.[156]"" [156] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" pp. 45-47; Bayur, III/1, pp. 349-380; W.E.D. Allen and P. Muratoff, ""Caucasian Battlefields,"" Cambridge, 1953, pp. 251-277; Ali Ihsan Sabis, ""Harb Hahralaram,"" 2 vols., Ankara, 1951, II, 41-160; FO 2146 no. 70404; FO 2485; FO 2484, nos. 46942 and 22083. ""An Armenian state was organized at Van under Russian protection, and it appeared that with the Muslim natives dead or driven away, it might be able to maintain itself at one of the oldest centers of ancient Armenian civilization. An Armenian legion was organized 'to expel the Turks from the entire southern shore of the lake in preparation for a concerted Russian drive into the Bitlis vilayet.'[162] Thousands of Armenians from Mus and other major centers in the east began to flood into the new Armenian state...By mid-July there were as many as 250,000 Armenians crowded into the Van area, which before the crisis had housed and fed no more than 50,000 people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.[163]"" [162] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 56; FOP 2488, nos. 127223 and 58350. [163] BVA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, debates of August 15-17, 1915; Babi-i Ali Evrak Odasi, no. 175, 321, ""Van Ihtilali ve Katl-i Ami,"" Zilkade 1333/10 September 1915. I went through this just a few weeks ago; here it comes again. The entire Turkish population of Armenia (which Armenians called Tartars) constituted at least about 40% of the total population of Armenia was deliberately exterminated. (For the population statistics, please look to the book of Richard Hovannessian, ""Armenia on the Road to Independence."") I listed three books earlier of such a monstrous crime by the writings of one Armenian, one American, and one British. They are: ""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard R. Hartill; ""Adventures in the Near East"" by A. Rawlinson; ""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn. Also, I personally have copies of documents of this crime by the writings of two Armenians and also one American. The official British report about this massacre mentioned in one of these documents (Lord Curzon-Aharonin interview) is the report of the British High Commissioner to Caucasia, Sir Oliver Wardrop. ""An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."" (Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990) Need I go on? Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 1263,"I am currently searching for old video tapes of music groups of the early 80's to the late 80's. At first I requested VHS formats, but now i'm accepting either VHS, 8MM, OR BETA. The type of format i'm interested in are the type that most nite clubs or trendy clothing stores play. If you do have any of these tapes just send me a reply with a few groups listed, i'll reply back if the groups listed are the type i'm searching for. I'll gladly pay you what they are worth or trade for other movie or music videos, thanks.",misc.forsale 1264,"Sorry Charlie... I have a dozen, VERY blue LED's on my bench right now. They have a clear plastic case and when lit, are absolutely BLUE. The hue is sort of a ""summer day cloudless sky blue"" but make no mistake, they are blue. You can buy them from Digikey, Circuit Specialist, Jameco (I think), LED-Tronics, Stanley Optoelectronics, and others. The current price is around $2.50 each for small quantities. I will also be selling them through my mail-order company in the near future (4 weeks). Write for details if interested.",sci.electronics 1265,":Read the xterm's manual pages for more informations about the avaliable :actions of xterm. Read the FAQ and get a good book on customizing your :X applications. Okay, I will byte. Could someone provide more info on a 'good book on customizing your X applicaitons'? I am in search of one which does NOT expect the reader to have the X11 source code memorized (or even available online!) ",comp.windows.x 1266,"Sorry all the personal replies I sent about help with UnlockFolder got eaten by my mail program (my fault), so I'd like to thank everyone who sent me info! Kristen Lepa ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1267,": Nothing, but if you read my WHOLE suggestion, I'm saying that you register : via MAIL by mailing in your registration card, THEN the company send you : the patch which includes the info you put on the registration card. The problem with this scheme, is that when I buy a game, I want to play it *THAT* day...mailing a card to and from California would probably take a week or more.",sci.electronics 1268,"qpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) For my money the primary danger of anti-cult groups is that they are every bit as wacky as the groups they oppose and that by and large they have no compunctions about printing lies, half-truths and misleading innuendos as part of their exposes. A recent book on cults I picked up by a ""Christian"" author quite simply mixed in all non-Christian religions (except the Jews) and various New Age groups with various fringe groups of dubious intent and legality. Given the record of American Christianity, any group that falls into the category of fundamentalist or born-again is automatically into the Inquisition business. It is an unavoidable affliction of those who have a proprietary license on The Truth (tm). And let's not forget that Jonestown and the Branch Davidians are just as much a part of the Christian tradition as the Missouri Synod Lutherans, and may in fact be the Massadas of true Christian believers. I am far more concerned about the encroachment of overtly Christian indoctrination into public schools than I am about yoga classes there. For those concerned with religious freedom without a selective inquisitiorial bent: People for the American Way P.O. Box 96200 Washington, DC 20077-7500 Americans United for Separation of Church & State 8120 Fenton Street Silver Spring, MD 20910-9978",talk.religion.misc 1269," Protestants love to play up Jerome for all he is worth. They should remeber that after the Decree of Pope St. Damsus I, Jerome did not hesitate in accpeting the deuteroncanon, and quoted them as Scripture in his later writings. And as I have already pointed out, in a previous letter on this subject, the Catholic Church has accepted the deuterocanon from the beginning. And the Protestants in the 1500's all of a sudden revived the old theory of some, condemned by Pope, Council, and Church, that the deuterocanon were not inspired. Again, why must the Church of Jesus Christ adopt the canon of the unbelieving Jews, drawn up in Jamnia in 90 AD, in countering the Christian use of the Septuagint. ^^^^^",soc.religion.christian 1270," Sorry to be contradictory, but... I've had my Nighthawk at 45 degress with the horizon and I wasn't banked over in a turn... The hard part is getting the front in off the ground. I rev to about 7,000 at DROP the clutch. Even harder is keeping it from coming up to far-- I use the back brake as well as the throttle. Once its up, it'll wheelie just like any other bike. ",rec.motorcycles 1271,"Hi Netters, Having inherited a Solbourne (S-4000 : Sun 4 Compatible), I was wondering if somebody has ported X11R5 to this beast. Since Solbournce Computer Inc. folded up I don't know where I can get the kernel to move from R4. Since they never joined the MIT Consortium, the regular distribution doesn't work. Any pointers will be highly appreciated. Julian",comp.windows.x 1272,"I am looking for an available program that would convert gif files to other formats usable on DOS-based software such as WordPerfect Presentations (which will handle .wpg and .tiff, among others). Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you very much for your time and help. Steve alford@novavax.nova.edu ",comp.graphics 1273,Anybody know where I can get Graphics Work Shop?,None 1274,": What exactly does the windows bitmap format look like? I mean, how is : the data stored: width, height, no. of colours, bitmap data? I couldn't : find anything in ths user manual, is there any other reference material : which would give me this information?",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1275,"I've been thinking about how difficult it would be to make PGP available in some form on EBCDIC machines. The message authentication would be ugly, but I think at least the IDEA encryption could work, if PGP had a switch to tell it to use IDEA in OFB-mode or ECB-mode. In OFB-mode, errors in translating EBCDIC-->ASCII-->EBCDIC would only affect their byte, not the 16 bytes that would be affected under CBC. Is PGP set up to use different IDEA modes? I don't recall notincing it in the executable, but I haven't gone through it as carefully as I probably should....",sci.crypt 1276," I was wondering if anyone knows of a graphics package for the PC that will do compositing of a series of pictures? What I mean by ""compositing"" is, say I have a live video clip (digitized) panning around a living room, and a computer-generated bird flying around the screen. I want to combine these two series of pictures so that everywhere where the bird frames are black, I want the living room picture to show through. Yes, I realize I can do this with a genlock, and I do own a genlock, but I want to be able to do manual compositing also. It's ok if I have to composite one frame at a time; I assumed I'd have to do that anyway. But being able to composite a series of frames would be even better. I've looked around and I haven't found a PC package that will perform this. Help, please! If you can get the live animation and the computer-generated animation into AutoDesk Animator .FLI or .FLC format, AutoDesk Animator will do this for you. It can take one animation, make a certain color ""clear"", and overlay it over another animation. I do not have a way right now to convert .AVI or .MPG files to animator files. Animator will also import a series of .GIF files to create an animation, so if your video capture stuff can create this is might work.",comp.graphics 1277," 2 simple reasons: (1) Batting Williams ahead of Bonds will create a Left(Clark), Right(Williams), Left(Bonds) situation in the middle of the batting order. This makes it tougher for opposing manager to change pitchers. (2) Having Bonds batting behind Williams means that Matt will get more good pitches to hit. This is important since he struggles so much with breaking balls. Opposing pitchers don't want to walk Williams to get to Bonds. ",rec.sport.baseball 1278," The Jerusalem Post is only a small part of the Israeli media ( One that caters to outsiders for the most part, anyways). If you never read Ha'aretz, Maariv, or other Hebrew langauge papers , or at least seen some of their articles translated, you are not really getting the Israeli media. Inlcuding some of the left-leaning ones? A -6 to a -10? Is that why stations such as PBS have run shows which do not depict the Israeli standpoint at all? IS that why the Intifada got more coverage in 1987 and 1988 than did Saddamn gassing Kurds by the thousands? I am from Montreal. I read the Suburban. Did they ever advocate the Kahane stupidity of expelling the Arabs? Are they racist? The Suburban has some columnists that explain the Israeli standpoint. They are nothing like Kahane. IN any case, the Suburban is a paper with a minor local distribution and no influence. So what source is the closest thing to a zero? ",talk.politics.mideast 1279,":> : :> : Basically, the Mac Pluses are constantly rebooting themselves, as if the :> : reboot button were being pushed. Sometimes the Mac is able to fully boot : well this threads been going long enough... I'll add a diferent twist. I found that the constant rebooting was due to overheating. We had added 4Mb ram, and were operating in a non AC environment. Adding an external cooling fan fixed it right up. ( over a year ago ) ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1280," If, if, if.... Anyway, the question was if the gun was identifiable, which it is. -Tim",talk.religion.misc 1281,"I would like to know if their is any medical consensus (or consensus within this group) regarding the ethics of the following: 1: Prescription of placebo medications when the patient did not specifically request any sort of treatment. 2: Selling a placebo medication for a profit. 3: Prescribing homeopathic remedies without advising a patient of their ""controversial nature"". 4: Representing homeopathic remedies as ""over the counter"" medications.",sci.med 1282,"Sorry about the delay in responding, due to conference paper deadline panic. [Alarming amounts of agreement deleted :-)] That (""complicated"") isn't in fact where P(H) > P(HG) comes from; it's more the other way around. It's from P(H) = P(HG) + P(HG') where G' is the complement of G and by axiom, P(anything) >= 0, so P(HG') >= 0, so P(H) >= P(HG). In a sense, HG is necessarily more ""complicated"" than H for any H and G, so I may be splitting hairs, but what I'm trying to say is that irrespective of subjective impressions of how complicated something is, P(H) >= P(HG) holds, with equality if and only if P(HG') = 0. Well, ""P(x | A) = P(x | B)"" means that x is as likely to be observed if A is operative as it is if B is operative. This implies that observing x does not provide any useful information which might allow us to discriminate between the respective possibilities that A and B are operative; the difference reduces to the difference between the (unknown and unhelpful) prior probabilities P(A) and P(B): P(x | A) = P(x | B) ==> P(A | x) = k P(A), and P(B | x) = k P(B) where k = P(x | A) / P(x) = P(x | B) / P(x). So A and B are ""equally consistent with the data"" in that observing x doesn't give any pointers as to which of A or B is operative. In the particular case where A = H and B = HG, however, we know that their prior probabilities are ordered by P(H) >= P(HG), although we don't know the actual values, and it's this which allows us to deploy the Razor to throw out any such HG. That's certainly true, but the particular point here was whether or not a `divine component' actually underlies the prevalence of religion in addition to the memetic transmission component, which even the religious implicitly acknowledge to be operative when they talk of `spreading the word'. Now it seems to me, as I've said, that the observed variance in religious belief is well accounted for by the memetic transmission model, but rather *less* well if one proposes a `divine component' in addition, since I would expect the latter to conspire *against* wide variance and even mutual exclusion among beliefs. Thus my *personal* feeling is that P(x | HG) isn't even equal to P(x | H) in this case, but is smaller (H is memetic transmission, G is `divine component', x is the variance among beliefs). But I happily acknowledge that this is a subjective impression. Not that I'm a statistician as such either, but: The idea is that both theism and atheism are compatible with all of the (read `my') observations to date. However, theism (of the type with which I am concerned) *also* suggests that, for instance, prayer may be answered, people may be miraculously healed (both are in principle amenable to statistical verification) and that god/s may generally intervene in measurable ways. This means that these regions of the space of possible observations, which I loosely termed ""appearances of god/s"", have some nonzero probability under the theistic hypothesis and zero under the atheistic. Since there is only so much probability available for each hypothesis to scatter around over the observation space, the probability which theism expends on making ""appearances of god/s"" possible must come from somewhere else (i.e. other possible observations). All else being equal, this means that an observation which *isn't* an ""appearance of god/s"" must have a slightly higher probability under atheism than under theism. The Bayesian stuff implies that such observations must cause my running estimate for the probability of the atheistic hypothesis to increase, with a corresponding decrease in my running estimate for the probability of the theistic hypothesis. Sorry if that's still a bit jargonesque, but it's rather difficult to put it any other way, since it does depend intimately on the properties of conditional probability densities, and particularly that the total area under them is always unity. An analogy may (or may not :-) be helpful. Say that hypothesis A is ""the coin is fair"", and that B is ""the coin is unfair (two-headed)"". (I've used A and B to avoid confusion with H[heads] and T[tails].) Then P(H | A) = 0.5 } total 1 P(T | A) = 0.5 } P(H | B) = 1 } total 1 P(T | B) = 0 } The observations are a string of heads, with no tails. This is compatible with both a fair coin (A) and a two-headed coin (B). However, the probability expended by A on making possible the appearance of tails (even though they don't actually appear) must come from somewhere else, since the total must be unity, and it comes in this case from the probability of the appearance of heads. Say our running estimates at time n-1 are e[n-1](A) and e[n-1](B). The observation x[n] at time n is another head, x[n] = H. The estimates are modified according to P(H | A) e[n](A) = e[n-1](A) * -------- = e[n-1](A) * m P(H) and P(H | B) e[n](B) = e[n-1](B) * -------- = e[n-1](B) * 2m P(H) Now we don't know P(H), the *actual* prior probability of a head, but the multiplier for e(A) is half that for e(B). This is true every time the coin is tossed and a head is observed. Thus whatever the initial values of the estimates, after n heads, we have n e[n](A) = m e[0](A) and n e[n](B) = (2m) e[0](B), and since e[k](A) + e[k](B) = 1 at any time k, you can show that 0.5 < m < 1 and thus 1 < 2m < 2. Hence the estimate for the fair-coin hypothesis A must decrease at each trial and that for the two-headed coin hypothesis B must increase, even though both hypotheses are compatible with a string of heads. The loose analogy is between ""unfair coin"" and atheism, and between ""fair coin"" and theism, with observations consistent with both. A tail, which would falsify ""unfair coin"", is analogous to an ""appearance of god/s"", which would falsify atheism. I am *not* claiming that the analogy extends to the numerical values of the various probabilities, just that the principle is the same. Quite so, but this type of theism is what I might call ""the G in the HG"", in terms of our Ockham's Razor discussion, and I'd bin it on those grounds. The hypotheses don't have to be falsifiable, and indeed in my `model', the theism isn't falsifiable. You don't have to. We don't need, in the above analogy, to know *any* prior probabilities to deduce that the updating multiplier for the fair-coin hypothesis is less than unity, and that the corresponding multiplier for the two-headed coin hypothesis is greater than unity. You don't need to know the initial values of the running estimates either. It's clear that after a large number of observations, P(fair-coin) approaches zero and P(two-headed-coin) approaches unity. All you need to know is whether P(x | Ha) is larger than P(x | Ht) for observed x, and this follows from the assumptions that there are certain events rendered *possible* (not necessary) under Ht which are not possible under Ha, and all else is equal. Any observations you like; it really doesn't matter, nor affect the reasoning, provided that there are some possible observations which would count as ""appearances of god/s"". Examples of this might be a demonstration of the efficacy of prayer, or of the veracity of revelation. OK, we'll downgrade ""*does* interact"" to ""*may* interact"", which would actually be better since ""does interact"" implies a falsifiability which we both agree is misplaced. I'll explain, but bear in mind that this isn't central; all I require of a theism is that it *not* make the prediction ""Appearances of god/s will never happen"", as does atheism. (Before somebody points out that quantum mechanics doesn't make this prediction either, the difference is that QM and atheism do not form a partition.) Predictions include such statements as ""Prayer is efficacious"" (implying ""If you do the stats, you will find that Prayer is efficacious""), or ""Prayer is *not* efficacious"", or ""Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."" I don't think we have any problems of misunderstanding here. That's fine; I don't claim that theism is false, merely that the [finite number of] observations available to me so far suggest that it is, and that as I continue to observe, the suggestion looks better and better. I think you are; an ""appearance of god/s"" is sufficient to falsify atheism, whereas in general the corresponding theism is unfalsifiable. No: by way of a counterexample, let X = ""the coin is fair"", or more accurately (so that not(X) makes sense) ""the two sides of the coin are different"". This is unfalsifiable by tossing the coin; even a string of heads is consistent with a fair coin, and you have to go to an infinite number of tosses to falsify X in the limit. Its converse is falsifiable, and is falsified when at least one head and at least one tail have appeared. Oops. Sorry. Mea culpa. We agree here. ""The Rapture will not happen on October 28 1992."" Said Rapture would have falsified atheism to my satisfaction had it happened, although its failure to happen does not, of course, falsify any theisms other than those which specifically predicted it. ""No phenomenon which requires the existence of one or more gods for its explanation will ever be observed."" That about sums the whole thing up. Cheers Simon",alt.atheism 1283,": Ok, what's more important to gay Christians? Sex, or Christianity? : Christianity I would hope. Would they be willing to forgo sex : completely, in order to avoid being a stumbling block to others, : to avoid the chance that their interpretation might be wrong, : etc? If not, why not? Heterosexuals abstain all the time. : (It would be nice if protestant churches had celibate orders : to show the world that sex is not the important thing in life) The difference is that straight members are given the choice of abstaining or not, and celibacy is recognized as a gift, given only to some. Gays are told that, as a condition of acceptance, they _must_ be celibate. I don't believe that God gives me a forced choice between having a relationship with God and expressing my heterosexuality (within the context of a faithful relationship). Nor do I believe that God gives that forced choice to gays. Sex or Christianity is a false dichotomy. : To tell the truth, gay churches remind me a lot of Henry the VIII : starting the Church of England in order to get a divorce (or is : this a myth). Note that I am not denying that gay Christians are : Christian. For my part, gay churches remind me of blacks starting their own churches either because they were not allowed at all in the white churches, or, at best, only with special restrictions that did not apply to white members.",soc.religion.christian 1284," [ description deleted] any idea on prices??",None 1285,"How does the 16 bit color of HDTV work ? It can not be 5 bit Red Green and Blue like on the Macintosh. This gives only 64 gray levels. Apple also has developed a point-point network that is around 200MB (not sure if it is bits or bytes) per sec.",comp.graphics 1286," The suggestion that they Davidians committed suicide is completely without evidence. Except for the editorials... Please re-word. ""propensity for allegedly dousing themselves"". Oh, and the survivors claim the the FBI started the burning by accidentally igniting kerosene lanterns (remember that they'd already cut the power), and the propane tanks. This sounds a lot more likely than committing suicide by setting the place afire. --D",talk.politics.guns 1287," No. The blue LEDs sold down the street are in milky-white plastic. And, fyi, putting a filter on a ""typical visible light LED"" (presumably meaning a non-blue one) won't produce blue light. A filter can only block light, it can't generate wavelengths that aren't there to start with. ",sci.electronics 1288," First, a longer game in no way suggests ""more baseball to watch,"" unless you include watching the grass grow as baseball. The lengthier games are so because of batters stepping out of the box, pitchers taking longer between pitches and excessive trips to the mound by managers and pitching coaches. And while it's true that the gaps between plays can be interesting, this is only true when they don't become extra-long. Quickly-pitched games can grab and hold your attention much better. Bring back the two-hour baseball game! (And the three and a half hour golf game with it!)",rec.sport.baseball 1289," [a lot of stuff deleted -- i'm focusing on just one point] i'm a little confused about the difference between this ""weak atheism"", as you put it, and agnosticism. is agnosticism not believing or necessarily disbelieving in anything, or what is it? i used to be agnostic (by this definition) -- but if weak atheism includes not necessarily believing in God, then i guess i was one of those. ??? actually what i have a hard time understanding is people who do not ever decide what they believe. i am constantly in a state of self-examination, as it would appear many others are as well (including the atheists, of course -- i'd assume that's why they're here!). i guess some people don't really consider it important to think about the answers to ""life, the universe and everything"" -- any comment? just wondering.... tough call, as these things seem to be based on faith -- wish i could help you, but i already tried once with someone who was a self-professed agnostic-thinking-of-becoming-a -christian, and it didn't work too well! especially tough as i'm still mulling over whether or not i believe in miracles (looks like another email to my chaplain is coming up....). all i can do is wish you the best of luck, and please do post what you find. hmm, how so? i guess i really don't understand. there are times, of course, when i say to myself ""of course i have absolutely no way of knowing that what i believe in is true except the satisfaction and sense of peace i get from it -- which of course could just be psychological"". somehow i live with this anyway -- is this what you mean? the only ""proof"" i have is that i believe God spoke to me once -- which could of course be my own imagination. the odd thing is, though, that if you don't at some point start believing in something, after a while it all gets sort of ridiculous. maybe it's just a question of where you draw the line. i'll only add one question -- have you read pascal? what did you think of him if you did? also you may (or may not) be interested by cslewis/ _surprised by joy_. i'd be interested in knowing what you think of him, no sarcasm at all intended. (i just say this because one can never know how one's written words will be interpreted. i am not interested in converting you, since i don't seem to have whatever it would take -- proof -- to do so. i'm just interested in learning.) i like this. ",soc.religion.christian 1290,,None 1291," Don't feed it so much. Seriously. Sort of like that scene in ""10"", in the minister's study, when the secretary lets one fly, and the startled dog runs from the room. The minister explains, ""Every time Mrs. Soandso breaks wind, we beat the dog."" ",rec.motorcycles 1292," It seems to me that the original question was for advice on his problem not a history lesson - I think that if this question comes up from time to time then people should get a civil answer Could ANYONE please explain WHAT happens with a battery and is there any cure to get it back into life ",sci.electronics 1293," Pick up a copy of PC Magazine or Byte, and look in the classifieds and small-print ads in the back. There are a handful of shops that specialize in BIOS upgrades. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1294,"My 486DX2-50 has 8MB of 70ns RAM and a Trident SVGA card. Sometimes I feel it runs very slowly, especially when running Windows. I'm planning to buy an ATI Graphic Ultra + next semester. Is that all I need to get the problem solved? Is 70ns RAM chips too slow for my machine? Do faster RAM chips make a big difference? I use CAD software on my computer as well. Do those up-grades good enough to speed it up a lot? Any one experienced the difference between ISA bus and VL bus(both with a graphic accelerator)? (A SCSI controller may not be appropriate, since I may have to replace my hard disks as well. However, sometimes I do have huge files on my computer. Does it really worth to use a SCSI interface? I can't spend too much on it) t he ) Any help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Dennis dpang@uafhp.uark.edu p.s. Man! I hate the stupid text editor. Is there any way I can type my article in a DOS word-processor and load the file into usenet?",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1295,"Hello, I am writing a program which forks of a number of child processes and each of the children printing things on the screen (quite messy in one window)... The ""xterm -Sxxd"" option seems to be the solution to opening up slave windows only to display output and I use the following code to open up a pty (taken from Stevens)...and manage to open up an x-term successfully.... The problem however is how do I write into this x-term ? Please help! static char pty_name[12]; int pty_master( void ); int pty_master( void ) { int i,fd; char* ptr; struct stat statbuff; static char ptychar[] = ""pqrs""; static char hexdigit[] = ""0123456789abcdef""; for( ptr = ptychar; *ptr!=0; ptr++ ) { strcpy( pty_name, ""/dev/ttyXY"" ); pty_name[8] = *ptr; pty_name[9] = '0'; if( stat( pty_name, &statbuff) < 0 ) break; for( i=0; i < 16; i++ ) { pty_name[9] = hexdigit[i]; if( (fd = open( pty_name, O_RDWR )) >= 0 ) return( fd ); } } return(-1); } ",comp.windows.x 1296," Hans> As somebody replied on whether the space shuttle is connected to Hans> Usenet: ""No. Of course the main flow of information would be up, Hans> unless Henry Spencer would be aboard, in which case the main Hans> flow of information would be down."" Gene Miya says that Henry will never go aloft in the Shuttle; the payload bay isn't big enough for his chocolate chip cookies. When Henry was here at Dryden, he was looking pretty covetously at the SR-71s and the F-104s, even though they don't have much cookie space. I guess he figured that he could manage for a short flight....",sci.space 1297,"HI! I need a codabar font for win. TT or other. Thanks! ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1298,,None 1299," Being what? Oh, _weird_. OK, I'm warned! Keep watch for what? Oh, the several tens (or hundreds) of millions of dollars it would cost to ""record things"" there. And I'd prefer a manned mission, anyway. We've already got a pretty good platform to ""scan"" the solar system, as well as SETI and looking at the galaxy without having much of the solar system to worry about.. Care to guess where it is? Shag -- ",sci.space 1300," : This topic was beaten to death a year or so ago. : The concrete is not the problem. : Lead-acid batteries often fail from disuse (not being charged for a long : time), but there's no way the concrete floor could be the cause of the : problem. Ditto. The only remote, and I do say remote, possibility is that if the ground was REAL cold (< -30F) the battery might freeze an split. But then it would probably freeze anyway :-)",sci.electronics 1301," Its just variation within a thread. The variation at times has been so great that speciation has occurred. So Albert Sabin is the common ancestor of several threads, some of which have themselves speciated. On a separate topic, I subscribed to t.o. just recently. Albert Sabin existed at that time, so I have no clue as to its origins. Maybe the abiogenesists have an answer. I might also point out that evolution is aimless. Thus why Albert Sabin evolved into a religious discussion is probably unexplainable.",talk.religion.misc 1302,"On 20 Apr 93 13:34:03 GMT, Gary Piatt observed: : First, the median does not imply that half of the men are : above and half below 7.3: it simply means that 7.3 is the mid-point : between the maximum number of partners and the minimum (which is most : likely zero). Actually, the median *is* defined as the 50th percentile. If the median number of sexual partners for men is 7.3, it means that at least 50% of men have had 7.3 or fewer sexual partners, and at least 50% of men have had 7.3 or more sexual partners. (Question: What is 0.3 of a sexual partner? :) To confuse matters more, take the following data set: [5.0, 6.0, 6.0, 7.0, 7.0, 7.3, 8.0, 9.0, 9.0, 9.0, 250.0] The mean (arithmetic average) of the above set of numbers is 29.4. The sample standard deviation is 73.2. The mode is 9.0. The median is 7.3. -- Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Enterprise, Alabama",talk.politics.misc 1303," No, I'd rather not. First of all, I don't have exact figures, and I don't want to disclose how I know this. However, I will say that Jim Francis from Microsoft just posted a figure of $26 million (payment from IBM to Borland) and that's somewhere in the range that I've heard.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1304," Heh... Try the rec.autos.sport FAQ. They are always calling ESPN to complain. I'm sure you could find the number for ABC there too, as many west-coast viewers were compaining about how something as boring as hockey cut into the Long Beach GP. =) Were you (and several of the other people here it seems) asleep the day ""contracts"" were explained? ASPN has a piece of paper saying it MUST show that baseball game if it happens. Many businesses payedd money to have their commercials run during a baseball game. This is a business, not your own personal video servant. Maybe you should put that anger into something positive. For example, I saw ads for the new Dodge both on the ESPN and KBL broadcasts. Why not write to Dodge saying that ""thanks to the ads run during the STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS, you will now concider their products in the future. They love to hear stuff like that and in the future will be more willing to buy commercial time for hockey games, giving ESPN (and other networks) more incentive to carry games (just one example) Come on people, as great as we think it is, Hockey does not leapfrog the ""big three"" overight.",rec.sport.hockey 1305,"Does anyone have any information about the world hockey championships and specifically about the US team? Game summaries and/or stats would be greatly appreciated!! USA Today reported that the US beat the Czech Republic, but that was the limit of the story.",rec.sport.hockey 1306,"nobody@alumni.cco.caltech.edu correctly states Jerry Berman's 1985 view on privacy, but he mistakenly assumes that this represents Berman's 1993 view as EFF Executive Director. As one of the people who convinced Jerry that legal protections for privacy are insufficient, and that technical measures, especially public key cryptography, are also vitally necessary, I can tell you that Jerry and EFF are fully committed to this position. The previous poster is apparently unaware of a long series of EFF positions in support of this view. I suggest those interested read EFF's position on Clipper or our other work in digital privacy. Check ftp.eff.org for more details. One of the great things about human beings is that they are capable of change and evolution in their thinking. The idea that crypto is critical to privacy is one which is no longer limited to certain net afficianados, but is spreading to parts of the public policy community in Washington.",sci.crypt 1307," It is indeed different usage of the word Muslim . In Bosnia , it is more or less used as an ethnic term not as religious one . There are people in Bosnia who refer to themselves as ""Christian Bosnian Muslims"" if you can make sense of that . Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Muslims have the same language. Bosnian Muslims are mainly beleivers of Islam. I got this from Bosnian Muslim friend of mine who goes to University of Texas in Austin.",talk.politics.mideast 1308," It fixed a problem for us of getting Divide Errors that were caused by the GW BIOS overwriting some interapplication memory area. Our problem was with Clarion Database programs, but I also heard that it fixed the same problem with Brief",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1309," This is just basicly right. The connections that cannot handle touchtone dialing is very few. I would estimate a couple of percents and if you are in a bigger town, there is none that cannot handle tone dialing. And regarding our swedish dialing system (a rather screwd up system), that does just apply to pulsdialing. Not to touchtone. Btw; Norway is even more interesting. They got both system! So you need different phones depending on where in the country you live.",sci.electronics 1310,"Hi all, I am looking for a new oscilloscope (BK 1541-B, it looks like, Goldstar OS904S if I can find one cheap enough) and would like suggestions on a low-priced source for them. (Currently, BTW, Fry's electronics in Los Angeles has the 1541-B for $598, the best price I've seen overall for now - They carry the GS OS902S for $490, but I need the 904S because of the 40 MHz B/W) Thanks all.",sci.electronics 1311,"I haven't seen any mention of this in a while, so here goes... When the Hubble Telescope was first deployed, one of its high gain antennas was not able to be moved across its full range of motion. It was suspected that it had been snagged on a cable or something. Operational procedures were modified to work around the problem, and later problems have overshadowed the HGA problem. Is there any plan to look at the affected HGA during the HST repair mission, to determine the cause of its limited range of motion? Is the affected HGA still limited, or is it now capable of full range of motion? ",sci.space 1312,"Who has experience with porting a GL-program to an Alpha APX workstation with Kubota's Denali 3D-Graphic. Is there any problems? Is the real graphic-performance like a SGI R4000 Indigo XS24Z? ",comp.graphics 1313,"I'm not sure if this made it out so i'll try again. I have an Ecklar's (sp?) Corvette car cover for sale. The cover is canvas on the outside and felt on the inside. It is weather proof and in great condition. I'm asking $95.00 and I'll pay shipping. (originally $175.00 in October of 1992).",rec.autos 1314," Mr. Cramer, when are you going to stop indulging in such blatant lies? This is not only not true, you know damned well that it's not true. None of your research supports this; no mental health expert has taken this position. This is *your own* opinion which is not backed up by any research or any knowledge. According to one survey, done in San Francisco, the number of heterosexual men who were molested as children was on the order of 5%. The number of homosexual men who were molested as children was on the order of 8%. Source: a book on sexual abuse of children by David Finkelhor (sorry, the title escapes me). Conclusions that can be drawn from this: none. Oh, you definitely have a choice. You realize, of course, that you are approaching the two-year anniversary of your crusade. How are you planning on celebrating two years of lies? Incidentally, we are still waiting your crusade against African-Americans, women, and other minorities who also want to ""impose their morality on others"". After all, they also want the government to ""tell peaceful people how to live."" Therefore, you really ""have no choice"", but to continue to point out that being a woman or an African-American is not a lifestyle, but a sickness. It's bullshit, Mr. Cramer. It was bullshit when you began this crusade and it's still bullshit. I am continually amazed at the depths to which you'll stoop to carry on this deliberate attack.",talk.politics.misc 1315,"Hello World. In posts I've heard about all of the bugs in the DSS24X and the drivers. Now I hear that Diamond ships BIOS replacements to some people, that fixes a lot of problems as well as new drivers. Can anyone tell me how to get mine?",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1316,"In some sense, I think that the folks who think the idea is wonderful, and the folks who want to boycott anyone who has anything to do with this project are both right. That is, I think that space advertising is an interesting idea, and if someone wants to try it out, more power to them. However, a company may discover that the cost of launch is not the only cost of advertising, and a company who gauged that ill will would lose them more revenue than the advertising would gain might decide to bow out of the project. I got incensed when I read that Carl Sagan called this idea an ""abomination."" I don't think that word means what he thinks it does. Children starving in the richest country in the world is an abomination; an ad agency is at worst just in poor taste.",sci.space 1317," Indeed. Larry King had the two attorneys (whose clients are now dead) of Koresh and another Davidian on his show last night. Their discussions with the survivors differ from the FBI account. The attorneys say that they were told that the tanks knocked over lanterns in the compound which started the fires. Government spokespeople have lied and contradicted each other throughout this whole affair. I'll wait for some better evidence before I form an opinion. -- paul hager hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu",talk.politics.guns 1318," That ""Federal land"" and tax money could have been used to commerate Americans or better yet, to house homeless Americans. jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer) responds: Why don't you contribute to a group helping the homeless if you so concerned? Jack Schmidling (arf@genesis.MCS.COM) reveals the true depths of his cynicism: I do (did) contribute to the ARF mortgage fund but when interest rates plumetted, I just paid it off. The problem is, I couldn't convince Congress to move my home to a nicer location on Federal land. In other words, Mr. Schmidling could care less for the plight of the homeless, but is not above using them to score points for his agenda.",talk.politics.mideast 1319,"Greetings netters, I have a Seagate 3144 130MB IDE drive forsale. I bought it yesterday and have been able to come across a 215MB that I am going to buy, but I need to sell this one. I guarantee that it will work. There is still a transferable warranty I believe. It was only used as a boot drive, not a server (source) drive. I just want my money back out of it...$180. Thanks a lot and offers appreciated. Dave 317-495-5978 kari@sage.cc.purdue.edu ",misc.forsale 1320," NOT an accurate analogy. David Koresh did not take a bunch of hostages and then call the BATF with a ransom note. You make it sound as if the BATF showed up to save those children in the first place. I have some interesting news for youBATF has absolutely NO jurisdiction in child abuse cases. It seems to me that the BATF showed up, took the Davidians hostage. Then the FBI showed up, negotiated to have a few of the hostages released, but were unable to keep the BATF from killing the rest of the poor people trapped inside the compound. Steve Martin Steve_Martin@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com",talk.politics.misc 1321,"During the first three games of the Pens-Devils series, I have been impressed time and time again by the pure talent of the Pens. Jagr, MacEachern and Barrasso have been especially fun to watch. But, one element of this team which goes unnoticed seems to be Scotty Bowman. Despite Brooks' lunatic comments, and despite the Devils' line changing adantage in last night's game, Bowman has been able to keep his cool and keep the Devils in the dark. Granted, the hell-dwellers had the Pens bottled up for a while last night, but Bowman was eventually able to configure his line-up to get the job done. His ability to throw out new looks and strategies at a moments notice is incredible. Bowman seems to have a terrific ability of reading his players on an individual basis. Last night, for instance, he realized that the speed of Jagr, Straka, and MacEachern was throwing the Devils off balance. As a result, Straka received many more shifts than average; Jagr played almost the entire game (he was always on the puck), and MacEachern scored a goal, while complementing Jagr many times throughout the night. His ability to commit to one player in crucial situations is commendable, especially when a coach of such a talented team might simply rely on the overall talent to dominate, and to bring about success.",rec.sport.hockey 1322," This is where Freeman's love of accuracy becomes really ridiculous. [his point was that it is possible under certain circumstances for many people to carry concealed in Illinois] I did read the law before I commented on it. Judging from replies I received about my ""Semantics on t.p.g"" post many (if not most) people here on t.p.g assume that when CCW laws are asked about the person is asking about the possibility of an ordinary citizen getting one. It would also follow that said person would get the CCW to carry on his/her person away from their home and/or business. Maybe Freeman did prove his point but his point is not relevant. The thing that most people seem to care about when they ask questions about carrying a concealed weapon is whether or not they can carry it concealed on their person when they are out on the street somewhere. I'm sure that not many people are concerned with whether or not they can carry concealed at home. Speaking as someone who lives in Illinois (the only place where the above quoted law is relevant :-)) I know that it is legal to own a handgun here (I am not taking into account city ordinances). I could care less about whether or not I can carry concealed at home. I only care about the fact that I can't carry concealed in the place where it really counts- out on the street. Freeman loves to be accurate and I can understand that (especially not) but he seems to be forgetting that accurate facts don't always replace common sense. I am not going to followup to this thread anymore because I believe that it is useless to argue these points anymore. The only thing that is happening now is that Freeman and I are ""running around in circles"" trying to prove each other wrong and I do not have the time to be playing games anymore. Of course now Freeman will attack me about my use of common sense in some of my earlier posts but what can I do. My only advice for Freeman - quit being so picky about accuracy sometimes and use your common sense; it really does work some- times.",talk.politics.guns 1323,": I am a new reader of sci.crypt I would like to obtain a copy of a : public domain program that can encrypt files, preferably using DES, : that runs under MS-DOS. : I would also like to obtain a program which will password protect : floppy disks, if this is possible. : Thanks. : David Maddison : Melbourne, Australia When you find out a floppy password protect program, could you e-mail me. Thanks",sci.crypt 1324,"Hey, the Lone Biker of the Apocalypse (see Raising Arizona) had flames coming out of both his exhaust pipes. I love to toggle the kill switch on my Sportster to produce flaming backfires, especially underneath overpasses at night (it's loud and lights up the whole underpass!!!",rec.motorcycles 1325," Better still, years ago they demonstrated a cold air system which only used ""air"". It was called a Rovax. The unit worked very well, the short coming was the seal technology. Where is it today?",rec.autos 1326,"Has anyone any experience with the (new?) Yamaha Cyclelok ? It looks like it uses the same hardened steel as a Kryptonite U lock, but unlike a U lock, it is hinged in 5 places and opens out to a large rectangle (longer length than any U lock I have seen, plus it folds down to real small), so you could lock the rear tire to a steel post for example. I was curious as to how well the jointed sections would stand up to attack ? tony",rec.motorcycles 1327," Is there any such thing as in inefficient heater?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1328," And you know what? There is no such method inherent in real life either. So I would assume you would endorse the notion that we cannot state, with any level of objectivity, that Mother Theresa has accomplished more good in this world than Joseph Stalin. After all, life on earth is a team effort. Have you tried glasses? I find them quite useful. After all, there must be some reason you choose to ignore the mounds of evidence we present. It's too bad you feel it necessary to close your mind and eyes to knowledge; you live a poorer life as a result of that choice. Heck, I'd wager that you could predict a WS winner with greater accuracy than Jeanne Dixon. And you know why? Because I have full confidence that despite your protestations to the contrary, you are quite capable of using the knowledge we can come up with through statistical methods to boost your knowledge level. Have you tried calling a kettle black? In other words, in your world, you cannot objectively state that Jack Morris was more important to the Blue Jays than Al Leiter last year. In your world, that may indeed be true. Fortunately, in the world the rest of us occupy, it's not. I hope you never serve on a jury, Roger. I think the rest of the jury would have to kill you. ""There's no way I can objectively judge the defendant to be innocent or guilty. You see, there are 2 billion other people on this planet. We have no way of knowing whether the defendant would have committed the crime if it wasn't for all the other people on the planet. We have no way of knowing how the defendant would have acted had he been on a different planet, because living on this planet is a team effort. And no individual committs a crime totally isolated from his society; he is a part of that society. That being case, anything I have to say on his culpability would be absolute subjectivity, so I refuse to vote.""",rec.sport.baseball 1329,"Regarding drag free satellites, Joe Cain gives a good description of the concept. It is however more than a concept. The Navy's Triad satellite succesfully used drag free control. Drag free control is an integral part of the Stanford Gravity Probe-B spacecraft, due to fly in 1999. It is also part of the European STEP satellite.",sci.space 1330," Did they ever put in any gas stations on US 12? I rode through there in 1987, skipped a fillup at Bryce Canyon and rode 100+ miles before seeing a gas station at Torrey. Awesome road, I recall riding up a narrow ridge above 9,000? 10,000? feet. -Bruce",rec.motorcycles 1331," Sure about that? Maybe Proxima might cause problems, but at Oort Cloud distances AC a and AC b together look like a point source. Besides, even the solar system's Oort cloud is unstable over geologic time, right, and needs to be replentished from somewhere else, like the short period comets of the Kupier Belt? (Or maybe I'm misremembering something I read or heard somewhere...) Until we're able to perform a broad-band survey of nearby stars to detect planets, we won't know enough to say whether or not a single star has planets. And we're likely to find out about the close ones first. Heck, if neutron stars can have planets, anything can have planets. (Or was that discovery disconfirmed?) ",sci.space 1332,"I need help identifying this board that I found stuffed away in a corner. As the title says, all that is printed on it is NATIONAL INSTRUMENTS NB-DMA-8. It fits fine in my Mac IIci and snooper gives the very same name for the board. It looks like it has an HP-IB connector on the back of it and another connector on the top (2 rows by 25 pins). It also looks like it has an Intel processor on it (#A82380-16 Intel '86) On an EEPROM there is a sticker with the P/N 700584-01. Anybody ever seen or heard of one? Or better yet, do you know what it does? We are all clueless here. Our last option is to hook it up to our HP workstations and see if any smoke comes out. Thanks a lot! Kevin -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1333,"Archive-name: graphics/resources-list/part2 Last-modified: 1993/04/27 Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY POSTING [ PART 2/3 ] =================================================== Last Change : 27 April 1993 14. Plotting packages ===================== Gnuplot 3.2 ----------- It is one of the best 2- and 3-D plotting packages, with online help.It's a command-line driven interactive function plotting utility for UNIX, MSDOS, Amiga, Archimedes, and VMS platforms (at least!). Freely distributed, it supports many terminals, plotters, and printers and is easily extensible to include new devices. It was posted to comp.sources.misc in version 3.0, plus 2 patches. You can practically find it everywhere (use Archie to find a site near you!). The comp.graphics.gnuplot newsgroup is devoted to discussion of Gnuplot. Xvgr and Xmgr (ACE/gr) ----------------------- Xmgr is an XY-plotting tool for UNIX workstations using X or OpenWindows. There is an XView version called xvgr for Suns. Collectively, these 2 tools are known as ACE/gr. Compiling xmgr requires the Motif toolkit version 1.1 and X11R4 - xmgr will not compile under X11R3/Motif 1.0x. Check at ftp.ccalmr.ogi.edu [129.95.72.34} in /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xmgr-2.09.tar.Z (Motif version) /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xvgr-2.09.tar.Z (XView version) Comments, suggestions, bug reports to Paul J Turner (if mail fails, try pturner@ese.ogi.edu). Due to time constraints, replies will be few and far between. Robot ----- Release 0.45 : 2-D and limited 3-D. Based on XView 3, written in C / Fortran (so you need a Fortran compiler or the f2c translator). Mainly tested on Sun4, less on DECstations. Check at ftp.astro.psu.edu (128.118.147.28), pub/astrod. VG plotting library ------------------- This is a library of Fortran callable routines at sunspot.ceee.nist.gov [129.6.64.151] Xgobi ----- It's being developed at Bellcore, and its speciality are multidimensional data sets analysis and exploration. You can call it from the S language also, and it works as an X11 client using the Athena widget set (or with an ASCII terminal). It's distributed free of charge from STATLIB at CMU. To get it via e-mail, send email to statlib@temper.stat.cmu.edu and in the body area of the message, put the line send xgobi from general If you want to pick it via ftp, connect to lib.stat.cmu.edu. Log in as ""statlib"" and use your e-mail address as your password. Then type cd general mget xgobi.* Warning: It's about 2 MB sources + large Postscript manual. Read the relevant README to decide whether you need it or not. PGPLOT ------ Runs on VAX/VMS and supposedly on UNIX. It's a set of fortran routines freely available (though copyrighted and requiring a nominal fee of $50 or so) that includes contour plots and support for various devices, including ps. Contact tjp@deimos.caltech.edu GGRAPH ------ Host shorty.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.8] : /pub/ggraph.tar.Z Unknown more details. epiGRAPH -------- For PCs. Call dvj@lab2.phys.lgu.spb.su (Vladimir J. Dmitriev) for details. You can get the program demo or (and) play version, if sent 10 $ to 1251 Budapest posta fiok 60 Hungary ph/fax 1753696 Budapest ph 2017760 Multiplot XLN ------------- For Amigas, shareware ($30 USD, #20 UK or $40 Aust.). Advanced 2D package that has a big list of features. Contact: Dr. Alan Baxter , Cambridge University Department of Pathology, Tennis Court Road, Cambridge CB2 1QP, UK Athena Plotter Widget set ------------------------- This version V6.0 is based on Gregory Bond's version V5-beta. Added some stuff for scientific graphs, i.e. log axes, free scalable axes, XY-lineplots and some more, and re-added plotter callbacks from V4, e.g. to request the current pointer position, or to cut off a rectangle from the plotting area for zooming-in. Version V6.0 has a log of bugs fixed and a log of improvements against V6-beta. Additionally I did some other changes/extensions, besides - Origin and frame lines for axes. - Subgrid lines on subtic positions. - Line plots in different line types (lines, points, lines+points, impulses, lines+impulses, steps, bars), line styles (solid, dotted, dashed, dot-dashed) and marker types for data points. - Legend at the right or left hand side of the plot. - Optional drawing to a pixmap instead of a window. - Layout callback for aligning axis positions when using multiple plotters in one application. Available at export.lcs.mit.edu, directory contrib/plotter SciPlot ------- SciPlot is a scientific 2D plotting and manipulation program. For the NeXT (requires NeXTStep 3.0), and it's shareware. Features: ASCII import and export; EPS export; copy, cut, paste with data buffer; free number of data points, data buffer, and document window; selective open and save ; plotting in many styles; automatic legend; subviews; linear and logarithmic axes; two different axes; text and graphic; color support; zoom; normalizing and moving; axis conversions; free hand data manipulations (cut, edit, move, etc.); data editor; sorting of data; absolute,relative, and free defined error bars; calculating with buffers (+, -, *, / ); background subtractions (linear,shirley,tougaard, bezier); integration and relative integration; fitting of one or more free defined functions; linear regression; calculations (+, -, *, /, sin, cos, log, etc.); function generator; spline interpolation; least square smooth and FFT smooth; differentiation; FFT; ESCA calculations and database; .. and something more You can find it on: ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.7] : /pub/NeXT/science/SciPlot3.1.tar.Z Author: Michael Wesemann Scillerstr. 73,1000 Berlin 12, Germany mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.mpg.de PLPLOT ------ PLPLOT is a scientific plotting package for many systems, small (micro) and large (super) alike. Despite its small size and quickness, it has enough power to satisfy most users, including: standard x-y plots, semilog plots, log-log plots, contour plots, 3D plots, mesh plots, bar charts and pie charts. Multiple graphs (of the same or different sizes) may be placed on a single page with multiple lines in each graph. Different line styles, widths and colors are supported. A virtually infinite number of distinct area fill patterns may be used. There are almost 1000 characters in the extended character set. This includes four different fonts, the Greek alphabet and a host of mathematical, musical, and other symbols. The fonts can be scaled to any size for various effects. Many different output device drivers are available (system dependent), including a portable metafile format and renderer. Freely available (but copyrighted) via anonymous FTP on hagar.ph.utexas.edu, directory pub/plplot At present (v. 4.13), PLPLOT is known to work on the following systems: Unix: SunOS, A/IX, HP-UX, Unicos, DG/UX, Ultrix Other platforms: VMS, Amiga/Exec, MS-DOS, OS/2, NeXT Authors: Many. The main supporters are: Maurice LeBrun : PLPLOT kernel and the metafile, xterm, xwindow, tektronix, and Amiga drivers. Geoff Furnish : MS-DOS and OS/2 drivers Tony Richardson : PLPLOT on the NeXT SuperMongo ---------- 2-D plotting package at CMU, filename ~re00/tmp/SM.2.1.0.tar.Z (probably under the ftp.cmu.edu or andrew.cmu.edu machines?) GLE --- GLE is a high quality graphics package for scientists. It runs on a variety of platforms (PCs, VAXes, and Unix) with drivers for XWindows, REGIS, TEK4010, PC graphics cards, VT100s, HP plotters, Postscript printers, Epson-compatible printers and Laserjet/Paintjet printers. It provides LaTEX quality fonts, as well as full support for Postscript fonts. The graphing module provides full control over all features of graphs. The graphics primitives include user-defined subroutines for complex pictures and diagrams. Accompanying utilities include Surface (for hidden line surface plotting), Contour (for contour plots), Manip (for manipulation of columnar data files), and Fitls (for fitting arbitrary equations to data). + Available via anon. FTP at these places: + + PC gle: SIMTEL, wuarchive.wustl.edu, and other mirrors, msdos/graphics/gle*.* + UNIX gle: zephyr.grace.cri.nz (131.203.1.5), pub/gle/unix + VMS gle: zephyr.grace.cri.nz (131.203.1.5), pub/gle/vms Mailing list: GLEList. Send a message to listserver@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu, with a message boyd containing sub glelist ""Your Name"" maintainer: Dean Pentcheff ========================================================================== 15. Image analysis software - Image processing and display ========================================================== PC and Mac-based tools (multi-platform software) ====================== IMDISP ------ IMDISP Written at JPL and other NASA sites. Can do simple display, enhancing, smoothing and so on. Works with the FITS and VICAR/PDS data formats of NASA. Can read TIFF images, if you know their dimensions [PC and Macs] LabVIEW 2 --------- LabVIEW is used as a framework for image processing tools. It provides a graphical programming environment using block diagram sketch is the ""program"" with graphical elements representing the programming elements. Hundreds of functions are already available and are connected using a wiring tool to create the block diagram (program). Functions that the block diagrams represent include digital signal processing and filtering, numerical analysis, statistics, etc. The tool allows any Virtual Instrument (VI, a software file that looks and acts like a real laboratory instrument) to be used as a part of any other virtual instrument. National Instruments markets plug-in digital signal processing (DSP) boards for Macintoshs and PC compatables that allow real-time acquisition and analysis at a personal computer. New software tools for DSP are allowing engineers to harness the power of this technology. The tools range from low-level debugging software to high-level block diagram development software. There are three levels of DSP programming associated with the NB-DSP2300 board and LabVIEW: Use of the NB-DSP2300 Analysis Library: FFTs, power spectra, filters routines callable from THINK C and Macintosh Programers Workshop (MPW) C that execute on the NB-DSP2300 board. There is an analysis Virtual Interface Library of ready-to-use VIs optimized for the NB-DSP2300. Use of the National Instruments Developers Toolkit that includes an optimizing C compiler, an assembler and a linker for low-level programming of the DSP hardware. This approach offers the highest level of performance but is the must difficult in terms of ease of use. Use of the National Instruments Interface Kit software package which has utility functions for memory management data communications and downloading code to the NB-DSP2300 board. (This is the easiest route for the development of custom code.) Ultimage Concept VI ------------------- Concept VI by Graftek-France is a family of image processing Virtual Instruments (VIs) that give LabVIEW 2 (described above) users high-end tools for designing, integrating and monitoring imaging control systems. A VI is a software file that looks and acts like a real laboratory instrument. Typical applications for Concept VI include thermography, surveillance, machine vision, production testing, biomedical imaging, electronic microscopy and remote sensing. Ultimage Concept VI addresses applications which require further qualitative and quantitative analysis. It includes a complete set of functions for image enhancement, histogram equalization, spatial and frequency filtering, isolation of features, thresholding, mathematical morphology analysis, density measurement, object counting, sizing and characterization. The program loads images with a minimum resolution of 64 by 64, a pixel depth of 8, 16, or 32 bits, and one image plane. Standard input and output formats include PICT, TIFF, SATIE, and AIPD. Other formats can be imported. Image enhancement features include lookup table transformations, spatial linear and non-linear filters, frequency filtering, arithmetic and logic operations, and geometric transformations, among others. Morphological transformations include erosion, dilation, opening, closing, hole removal, object separation, and extraction of skeletons, among others. Quantitative analysis provides for objects' detection, measurement, and morphological distribution. Measures include area, perimeter, center of gravity, moment of inertia, orientation, length of relevant chords, and shape factors and equivalence. Measures are saved in ASCII format. The program also provides for macro scripting and integration of custom modules. A 3-D view command plots a perspective data graph where image intensity is depicted as mountains or valleys in the plot. The histogram tool can be plotted with either a linear or logarithmic scale. The twenty-eight arithmetic and logical operations provide for: masking and averaging sections of images, noise removal, making comparisons, etc. There are 13 spatial filters that alter pixel intensities based on local intensity. These include high-pass filters for contrast and outlines. The frequency data resulting from FFT analysis can be displayed as either the (real , imaginary ) components or the (phase, magnitude) data. The morphological transformations are useful for data sharpening and defining objects or for removing artifacts. The transformations include: thresholding, eroding, dilating and even hole filling. The program's quantitative analysis measurements include: area, perimeter, center of mass, object counts, and angle between points. GTFS, Inc. 2455 Bennett Valley Road #100C Santa Rosa, CA 95494 707-579-1733 IPLab Spectrum -------------- IPLAB Spectrum supports image processing and analysis but lacks the morphology and quantitative analysis features provided by Graftek-FranceUs Ultimage Concept VI. Using scripting tools, the user tells the system the operations to be performed. The problem is that far too many basic operations require manual intervention. The tool supports: FFTs, 16 arithmetic operations for pixel alteration, and a movie command for cycling through windows. Macintosh-based tools ===================== NCSA Image, NCSA PalEdit and more --------------------------------- NCSA provides a whole suite of public-domain visualization tools for the Macintosh, primarily aimed at researchers wanting to visualize results from numerical modelling calculations. These applications, documentation, and source code are available for anonymous ftp from ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu. Commercial versions of the NCSA programs have been developed by Spyglass. Spyglass, Inc. 701 Devonshire Drive Champaign, IL 61820 (217) 355-6000 fax: 217 355 8925 NIH IMAGE --------- Available at alw.nih.gov (128.231.128.7) or (preferably) zippy.nimh.nih.gov [128.231.98.32], directory:/pub/image. It has painting and image manipulation tools, a macro language, tools for measuring areas, distances and angles, and for counting things. Using a frame grabber card, it can record sequences of images to be played back as a movie. It can invoke user-defined convolution matrix filters, such as Gaussian. It can import raw data in tab-delimited ASCII, or as 1 or 2-byte quantities. It also does histograms and even 3-D plots. It is limited to 8-bits/pixel, though the 8 bits map into a color lookup table. It runs on any Mac that has a 256-color screen and a FPU (or get the NonFPU version from zippy.nimh.nih.gov) PhotoMac -------- Data Translation, Inc. 100 Locke Dr. Marlboro, MA 01752 508-481-3700 PhotoPress ---------- Blue Solutions 3039 Marigold Place Thousand Oaks, CA 91360 805-492-9973 PixelTools and TCL-Image ------------------------ ""Complete family of PixelTools (hardware accelerator and applications software) for scientific image processing and analysis. Video-rate capture, display, processing, and analysis of high-resolution monochromatic and color images. Includes C source code."" TCL-Image: ""Software package for scientific, quantitative image processing and analysis. It provides a complete language for the capture, enhancement, and extraction of quantitative information from gray-scale images. TCL_Image has over 200 functions for image processing, and contains the other elements needed in a full programming language for algorithm development -- variables and control structures. It is easily extensible through ""script"" (or indirect command) files. These script files are simply text files that contain TCL-Image commands. They are executed as normal commands and include the ability to pass parameters. The direct capture of video images is supported via popular frame grabber boards. TCL-Image comes with the I-View utility that provides conversion between common image file types, such as PICT2 and TIFF."" Perceptics 725 Pellissippi Parkway Knoxville, TN 37933 615-966-9200 Satellite Image Workshop ------------------------ It comes with a number of satellite pictures (raw data) and does all sorts of image enhancing on it. You'll need at least a Mac II with co- processor; a 256 color display and a large harddisk. The program doesn't run under system 7.x.ATE1 V1 In the documentation the contact address is given as: Liz Smith, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 300-323, 4800 Oak Grove Dr,.Pasadena, CA 91109 (818) 354-6980 Visualization Workbench ----------------------- ""An electronic imaging software system that performs interactive image analysis and scientific 2D and 3D plotting."" Paragon Imagine 171 Lincoln St. Lowell, MA 01852 508-441-2112 Adobe Photoshop --------------- The tool supports Rtrue colorS with 24-bit images or 256 levels of grey scale. Once an image has been imported it can be Rre-touchedS with various editing tools typical of those used in Macintosh-based RpaintS applications. These include an eraser, pencil, brush and air brush. Advanced RpasteS tools that control the interaction between a pasted selection and the receiving site have also been incorporated. For example, all red pixels in a selection can easily be preventing from being pasted. Photoshop has transparencies ranging from 0 to 100%, allowing you to create ghost overlays. RPhoto-editingS tools include control of the brightness and contrast, color balancing, hue/saturation modification and spectrum equalization. Images can be subjected to various signal processing algorithms to smooth or sharpen the image, blur edges, or locate edges. Image scaling is also supported. For storage savings, the images can be compressed using standard algorithms, including externally supplied compression such as JPEG, availlable from Storm Technologies. The latest version of Adobe Photoshop supports the import of numerous image formats including: EPSF, EPSF, TIFF, PICT resource, Amiga IFF/ILBM, CompuServe GIF, MacPaint, PIXAR, PixelPaint, Scitex CT, TGA and ThunderScan.. Adobe Systems, Inc. 1585 Charlestown Road PO Box 7900 Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 415-961-4400 ColorStudio and ImageStudio --------------------------- ColorStudio is an image-editing and paint package from Letraset that has more features than Adobe Photoshop but is decidedly more complex and therefore more difficult to use. Several steps are often required to accomplish that which can be done in a single step using Photoshop. The application requires a great deal of available disk space as one can easily end up with images in the 30 MB range. The program provides a variety of powerful selection tools including the ""auto selection tool"" which lets the user choose image areas on the basis of color, close hues, color range and mask. ImageStudio: Don't know... Letraset USA 40 Eisenhower Drive Paramus, NJ 07653 201-845-6100 Dapple Systems -------------- ""High resolution image analysis software provides processing tools to work with multiple images, enhance and edit, and measure a variety of global or feature parameters, and interpret the data."" Dapple Systems, 355 W. Olive Ave, #100 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 408-733-3283 Digital Darkroom ---------------- The latest release of Digital Darkroom has five new selection and editing tools for enhancing images. One such feature allows the user to select part of an image simply by ""painting"" it. A new polyline selection tool creates a selection tool for single pixel wide selections. A brush lets the operator ""paint"" with a selected portion of the image. Note that this is not a true color image enhancement tool. This tool should be used when the user intends to operate in grey-scale images only. It should be noted that Digital Darkroom is not as powerful as either Adobe Photoshop or ColorStudio. Silicon Beach Software 9770 Carroll Ctr. Rd., Suite J San Diego, CA 92126 619-695-6956 Dimple ------ It is compatible with system 6.05 and system 7.0 , requires Mac LC or II series with 256 colours, with a recommended min of 6Mb of ram. It has the capability of reading Erdas files. Functions include; image enhancement, 3D and contour plots, image statistics, supervised and unsupervised classification, PCA and other image transformations. There is also a means (Image Operation Language or IOL) by which you can write your own transformations. There is no image rectification, however Dimple is compatable with MAPII. The latest version is 1.4 and it is in the beta stage of testing. Dimple was initially developed as a teaching tool and it is very good for this purpose."" ""Dimple runs on a colour Macintosh. It is a product still in its development phase.. i.e. it doesn't have all the inbuilt features of other packages, but is coming along nicely. It has its own inbuilt language for writing ""programs"" for processing an image, defining convolution filters etc. Dimple is a full mac application with pull down menus etc... It is unprotected software."" Process Software Solutions, PO Box 2110, Wollongong, New South Wales, Australia. 2500. Phone 61 42 261757 Fax 61 42 264190. Enhance ------- Enhance has a RrulerS tool that supports measurements and additionally provides angle data. The tool has over 80 mathematical filter variations: ""Laplacian, medium noise filter"", etc. Files can be saved as either TIFF, PICT, EPSF or text (however EPSF files can't be imported). MicroFrontier 7650 Hickman Road Des Moines, IA 50322 515-270-8109 Image Analyst ------------- An image processing product for users who need to extract quantitative data from video images. Image Analyst lets users configure sophisticated image processing and measurement routines without the necessity of knowing a programming language. It is designed for such tasks at computing number and size of cells in images projected by video cameras attached to microscopes, or enhancing and measuring distances in radiographs. Image Analyst provides users with an array of field-proven video analysis techniques that enable them to easily assemble a sequence of instructions to enhance feature appearance; count objects; determine density, shape, size, position, or movement; perform object feature extraction; and conduct textural analysis automatically. Image Analyst works with either a framegrabber board and any standard video camera, or a disk-stored image. Within minutes, without the need for programming, the Image Analyst user can set up a process to identify and analyze any element of a image. Measurements and statistics can be automatically or semi-automatically generated from TIFF or PICT files or from captured video tape images. Image Analyst recognizes items in images based on their size, shape and position. The tool provides direct support for the Data Translation and Scion frame grabbers. A menu command allows for image capture from a VCR video camera or other NTSC or PAL devices. There are 2 types of files, the image itself and the related Sequence file that holds the processing, measurements and analysis that the user defines. Automated sequences are set up in Regions Of Interest (ROI) represented by movable, sizable boxes atop the image. Inside a ROI, the program can find the distance between two edges, the area of a shape, the thickness of a wall, etc. Image Analyst finds the center, edge and other positions automatically. The application also provides tools so that the user can work interactively to find the edge of object. It also supports histograms and a color look-up table (CLUT) tool. Automatix, Inc. 775 Middlesex Turnpike Billerica, MA 01821 508-667-7900 IPLab ----- Signal Analytics Corp. 374 Maple Ave. E Vienna, VA 22180 703-281-3277 FAX 703-281-2509 ""Menu-driven image processing software that supports 24-bit color or pseudocolor/grayscale image display and manipulation."" MAP II ------ Among the Mac GIS systems, MAP II distributed by John Wiley has integrated image analysis. IMAGE ----- from Stanford : Try anonymous ftp from sumex-aim.stanford.edu It has pd source for image v2, and ready to run code for a mac under image v3. Windows/DOS PC-based tools ========================== CCD --- Richard Berry's CCD imaging book for Willamon-Bell contains (optional?) disks with image manipulating software. Source code is included. ERDAS ----- ""ERDAS will do all of the things you want: rectification, classification, transformations (canned & user-defined), overlays, filters, contrast enhancement, etc. ... I was using it on my thesis & then changed the topic a bit & that work became secondary."" ERDAS, Inc. 2801 Buford Highway Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30329 404-248-9000 FAX 404-248-9400 RSVGA ----- ""I have been getting up to speed on a program called RSVGA available from Eidetic Digital Image Ltd. in British Columbia. Its for IBM PC's or clones, cheap (about $400) and does all the stuff Erdas does but is not as fast or as powerful, though I have had only limited experience with Erdas. I have used RSVGA with 6 of 7 Landsat bands and it is a good starter program except for the obtuse manual"" IMAGINE-32 ---------- It's a 32 bit package [I suppose for PCs] called ""Imagine32"" or ""Image32"" The program does a modest amount of image processing --add, subtract, multiply, divide, display, and plot an x or y cut across the image. It can also display a number of images simultaneously. The company is CompuScope, in Santa Barbara, CA. PC Vista -------- It was announced in the 1989 August edition of PASP. It is known to be available from Mike Richmond, whose email addresses have been richmond@bllac.berkeley.edu richmond@bkyast.berkeley.edu and his s-mail address is: Michael Richmond,Astronomy Department, Campbell Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 The latest version of PC-Vista, version 1.7, includes not only the source code and help files, but also a complete set of executable programs and a number of sample FITS images. If you do wish to use the source code, you will need Microsoft C, version 5.0 or later; other compilers may work, but will require substantial modifications. To receive the documentation and nine double-density (360K) floppies (or three quad-density 3-1/2 inch floppies (1.44M) with everything on them, just send a request for PC-Vista, together with your name and a US-Mail address, to Office of Technology Licensing 2150 Shattuck Ave., Suite 510 Berkeley, Ca. 94704 Include a check (Traveller's Checks are fine) or purchase order for $150.00 in U.S. dollars, if your address is inside the continental U.S., or $165.00 otherwise, made out to Regents of the University of California to cover duplication and mailing costs. SOFTWARE TOOLS -------------- It's a set of software ""tools"" put out by Canyon State Systems and Software. They are not free, but rather cheap at about $30 I heard. It will handle most all of the formats used by frame grabber software. MIRAGE ------ It's image processing software written by Jim Gunn at the Astrophysics Dept at Princeton. It will run on a PC among other platforms. It is a Forth based system - i.e. a Forth language with many image processing displaying functions built in. DATA TRANSLATION SOURCE BOOK ---------------------------- The Data Translation company in Massachusetts publishes a free book containing vendors of data analysis hardware and software which is compatible with Data Translation and other frame grabbers. Surely you can find much more PC-related stuff in it. MAXEN386 -------- A couple of Canadians have written a program named MAXEN386 which does maximum entropy image deconvolution. Their company is named Digital Signal Processing Software, or something like that, and the software is mentioned in an article in Astronomy Magazine, either Jan or Feb 92 (an article on CCD's vs film). JANDEL SCIENTIFIC (JAVA) ------------------------ Another software package (JAVA) is put out by Jandel Scientific. Jandel Scientific, 65 Koch Road, Corte Madera, CA 94925, (415) 924-8640, (800) 874-1888. Microbrian ---------- Runs on an MS dos platform and uses a 32 bit graphics card (Vista), or an about to be released version will support a number of super VGA cards. Its a full blown remote sensed data processing system.. It is menu driven (character based screen), but is does not use a windowed user interface. Its is hardware protected with a dongle. Mbrian = micro Barrier reef Image Anaysis System. It was developed by CSIRO (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial Organization) and is marketed/ supported by: MPA Australia (51 Lusher Road, Croydon, Victoria tel + 61 3 724 4488 fax +61 3 724 4455) There are educational and commercial prices, but be prepared to set aside $A10k for the first educational licence. Subsequent ones come cheaper (they need to!) It has installed sites worldwide. It is widely used at ANU. MicroImage ---------- The remote sensing lab here at Dartmouth currently uses Terra-Mar's MicroImage, on 486 PCs with some fancy display hardware. Terra-Mar Resource Information Services, Inc. 1937 Landings Drive Mountain View, CA 94043 415-964-6900 FAX 415-964-5430 Unix-based tools ================ IRAF (Image Reduction and Analysis Facility) -------------------------------------------- Developed in the National Optical Astronomy Observatory, Kitt Peak AZ It is free, you can ftp it from tucana.noao.edu [140.252.1.1] and complement it with STSDAS from stsci.edu [130.167.1.2]. Email to iraf@noao.edu for more details. Apparently this is one of the _de facto_ standards in the astronomical image community. They issue a newsletter also. They seem to support very well their users. Works with VMS also last I heard, and practically has its own shell on top of the VMS/Unix shells. It's suggested that you get a copy of saoimage for display under X windows. Very flexible/extendable -- tons (literally 3 linear feet) of documentation for the general user, skilled user, and programmer. ALV --- A Sun-specific image toolkit. Version 2.0.6 posted to comp.sources.sun on 11dec89. Also available via email to alv-users-request@cs.bris.ac.uk. AIPS ---- Astronomical Image Processing System. Contact: aipsmail@nrao.edu (also see the UseNet Newsgroups alt.sci.astro.aips and sci.astro.fits) Built by NRAO (National Radio Astronomy Observatory, HQ in Charlottesville, VA, sites in NM, AZ, WV). Software distributed by 9-track, Exabyte, DAT, or (non-anonymous) internet ftp. Documentation (PostScript mostly) available via anonymous ftp to baboon.cv.nrao.edu (192.33.115.103), directory pub/aips and pub/aips/TEXT/PUBL. Installation requires building the system and thus a Fortran and C compiler. This package can read and write FITS data (see sci.astro.fits), and is primarily for reduction, analysis, and image enhancement of Radio Astronomy data from radio telescopes, particularly the Very Large Array (VLA), a synthesis instrument. It consists of almost 300 programs that do everything from copying data to sophisticated deconvolution, e.g. via maximum entropy. There is an X11-based Image tool (XAS) and a tek-compatible xterm-based graphics tool built into AIPS. The XAS tool is modelled after the hardware functionality of the International Imaging Systems model 70 display unit and can do image arithmetic, etc. The code is mostly Fortran 77 with some system C language modules, and is available for Suns, IBM RS/6000, Dec/Ultrix, Convex, Cray (Unicos), and Alliant with support planned for HP-9000/7xx, Solaris 2.1, and maybe SGI. There is currently a project - ""AIPS++"" - underway to rewrite the algorithmic functionality of AIPS in a modern setting, using C++ and an object oriented approach. Whereas AIPS is proprietary code (licensed for free to non-profit institutions) owner by NRAO and the NSF, AIPS++ will be in the public domain at some level, as it is an international effort with contributions from the US, Canada, England, the Netherlands, India, and Australia to name a few. LABOimage --------- (version 4.0 is out for X11) It's written in C, and currently runs on Sun 3/xxx, Sun 4/xxx (OS3.5, 4.0 and 4.0.3) under SunView. The expert system for image segmentation is written in Allegro Common Lisp. It was used on the following domains: computer science (image analysis), medicine, biology, physics. It is distributed free of charge (source code). Available via anonymous FTP at ftp.ads.com (128.229.30.16), in pub/VISION-LIST-ARCHIVE/SHAREWARE/LaboImage_* Contact: Prof. Thierry Pun, Computer Vision Group Computing Science Center, U-Geneva 12, rue du Lac, CH-1207 Geneva SWITZERLAND Phone : +41(22) 787 65 82; fax: +41(22) 735 39 05 E-mail: pun@cui.unige.ch or pun@cgeuge51.bitnet Figaro ------ It was originally made for VMS, and can be obtained from Keith Shortridge in Australia (ks@aaoepp.aao.gov.au) and for Unix from Sam Southard at Caltech (sns@deimos.caltech.edu). It's about 110Mbytes on a Sun. KHOROS ------ Moved to the Scientific Visualization category below Vista ----- The ""real thing"" is available via anonymous ftp from lowell.edu. Email to vista@lowell.edu for more details. Total size less than 20Mbytes. DISIMP ------ (Device Independent Software for Image Processing) is a powerful system providing both user friendliness and high functionality in interactive times. Feature Description DISIMP incorporates a rich library of image processing utilities and spatial data options. All functions can be easily accessed via the DISIMP executive. This menu is modular in design and groups image processes by their function. Such a logical structure means that complicated processes are simply a progression through a series of modules. Processes include image rectification, classification (unsupervised and supervised), intensity transformations, three dimensional display and Principal Component Analysis. DISIMP also supports the more simple and effective enhancement techniques of filtering, band subtraction and ratioing. Host Configuration Requirements Running on UNIX workstations, DISIMP is capable of processing the more computational intensive techniques in interactive processing times. DISIMP is available in both Runtime and Programmer's environments. Using the Programmers environment, utilities can be developed for specific applications programs. Graphics are governed by an icon-based Display Panel which allows quick enhancments of a displayed image. Manipulations of Look Up Tables, colour stretches, changes to histograms, zooming and panning can be interactively driven through this control. A range of geographic projections enables DISIMP to integrate data of image, graphic and textual types. Images can be rectified by a number of coordinate systems, providing the true geographic knowledge essential for ground truthing. Overlays of grids, text and vector data can be added to further enhance referenced imagery. The system is a flexible package allowing users of various skill levels to determine their own working environment, including the amount of help required. DISIMP comes fully configured with no optional extras. The purchase price includes all functionality required for professional processing of remote sensed data. For further information, please contact: The Business Manager, CLOUGH Engineering Group Systems Division, 627 Chapel Street, South Yarra, Australia 3141. Telephone: +61 3 825 5555 Fax: +61 3 826 6463 Global Imaging Software ----------------------- ""We use Global Imaging Software to process AVHRR data, from the dish to the final display. Select a chunk of five band data from a pass, automatic navigation, calibrate it to Albedo and Temp, convert that to byte, register it to predesigned window, all relatively automatically and carefree. It has no classification routines to speak of, but it isn't that difficult to write your own with their programmer's module. Very small operation: one designs, one codes, one sells. Been around for a number of years, sold to Weather Service and Navy. Runs on HP9000 with HP-UX. Supports 24-bit display"" HIPS ---- (Human Information Processing Laboratory's Image Processing System) Michael Landy co-wrote and sell a general-purpose package for image processing which has been used for basically all the usual image processing applications (robotics, medical, satellite, engineering, oil exploration, etc.). It is called HIPS, and deals with sequences of multiband images in the same way it deals with single images. It has been growing since we first wrote it, both by additions from us as well as a huge user-contributed library. Feature description HIPS is a set of image processing modules which together provide a powerful suite of tools for those interested in research, system development and teaching. It handles sequences of images (movies) in precisely the same manner as single frames. Programs and subroutines have been developed for simple image transformations, filtering, convolution, Fourier and other transform processing, edge detection and line drawing manipulation, digital image compression and transmission methods, noise generation, and image statistics computation. Over 150 such image transformation programs have been developed. As a result, almost any image processing task can be performed quickly and conveniently. Additionally, HIPS allows users to easily integrate their own custom routines. New users become effective using HIPS on their first day. HIPS features images that are self-documenting. Each image stored in the system contains a history of the transformations that have been applied to that image. HIPS includes a small set of subroutines which primarily deals with a standardized image sequence header, and a large library of image transformation tools in the form of UNIX ``filters''. It comes complete with source code, on-line manual pages, and on-line documentation. Host Configuration Requirements Originally developed at New York University, HIPS now represents one of the most extensive and flexible vision and image processing environments currently available. It runs under the UNIX operating system. It is modular and flexible, provides automatic documentation of its actions, and is almost entirely independent of special equipment. HIPS is now in use on a variety of computers including Vax and Microvax, Sun, Apollo, Masscomp, NCR Tower, Iris, IBM AT, etc. For image display and input, drivers are supplied for the Grinnell and Adage (Ikonas) image processors, and the Sun-2, Sun-3, Sun- 4, and Sun-386i consoles. We also supply user-contributed drivers for a number of other framestores and windowing packages (Sun gfx, Sun console, Matrox VIP-1024, ITI IP-512, Lexidata, Macintosh II, X windowing system, and Iris). The Hipsaddon package includes an interface for the CRS-4000. It is a simple matter to interface HIPS with other frame- stores, and we can put interested users in touch with users who have interfaced HIPS with the Arlunya and Datacube Max- Video. HIPS can be easily adapted for other image display devices because 98% of HIPS is machine independent. Availability HIPS has proven itself a highly flexible system, both as an interactive research tool, and for more production- oriented tasks. It is both easy to use, and quickly adapted and extended to new uses. HIPS is supplied on magnetic tape in UNIX tar format (either reel- to-reel or Sun cartridge), and comes with source code, libraries, a library of convolu- tion masks, and on-line documentation and manual pages. Michael Landy SharpImage Software P.O. Box 373, Prince Street Station New York, NY 10012-0007 Voice: (212) 998-7857 Fax: (212) 995-4011 msl@cns.nyu.edu MIRA ---- [ Please DON'T confuse that with the Thalmanns animation system from Montreal. These are altogether different beasts! - nfotis ] MIRA stands for Microcomputer Image Reduction and Analysis. MIRA gives workstation level performance on 386/486 DOS computers using SVGA cards in 256 color modes up to 1024x768. MIRA contains a very handsome/functional GUI which is mouse and keystroke operated. MIRA reads/writes TIFF and FITS formats, native formats of a number of CCD cameras, and uncompressed binary images in byte, short integer, and 4-byte real pixel format in 1- or 2- dimensions. The result of an image processing operation can be short integer or real pixels, or the same as that of the input image. MIRA does the operation using short or floating point arithmetic to maintain the precision and accuracy of the pixel format. Over 100 functions are hand-coded in assembly language for maximum speed on the Intel hardware. The entire graphical interface is also written in assembly language to maximize the speed of windowing operations. Windows for 2-d image and 1-d image/data display and analysis have dedicated cursors which read position and value value in real time as you move the mouse. There are also smooth, real time contrast and brightness stretch and panning of a magnified portion of the displayed image(s), all operated by the mouse. A wide selection of grayscale, pseudocolor, and random palettes is provided, and other palettes can be generated. Supported functions include such niceties as the following: o image & image: + - / * interpolation o image & constant: + - / * o unary operations: abs value, polynomial of pixel value, chs, 1/x, log, byteswap, clip values at upper/lower limits, short->real or real->short. o combine images by mean, median, mode, or sum of pixel values, with or without autoscaling to mean, median, or mode of an image section. o convolutions/filters: Laplacian, Sobel edge operator, directional gradient, line, Gaussian, elliptical and rectangular equal weight filters, unsharp masking, median filters, user defined filter kernel. Ellipse, rectangle, line, gradient, Gaussian, and user defined filters can be rotated to any specified angle. o CCD data reduction: flat fielding, dark subtraction, column over/underscan bias removal, remove bad pixels and column defects, normalize to region target mean, median, or modal value. o create subimage, mosaic m x n 1-d or 2-d images to get larger image, collapse 2-d image into 1-d image. o plot 1-d section or collapsed section of 2-d image, plot histogram of region of an image. o review/change image information/header data, rename keywords, plot keyword values for a set of images. o luminance/photometry: elliptical or circular aperture photometry, brightness profile, isophotal photometry between set of upper & lower luminances, area and luminance inside traced polygon. Interactive background fitting and removal from part or all of image, fit elliptical aperture shape to image isophotes. o interactive with 2-d image: contrast/brightness, x- y- or diagonal plot of pixel values, distance between two points, compute region stats,` centroid, pan to x,y location or image center, zoom 1/16 to 10 times, change cursor to rectangle crosshair, full image crosshair, or off, and adjust cursor size on image. Select linear, log or gamma transfer function or histogram equalization. o interactive or specified image offset computation and re-sampling for registration. o interactive with 1-d image: zoom in x- y- or both in steps of 1/2 or 2 times current, re-center plot, or enlarge a framed area. 4 plot buffers can be cycled through. Interactive data analysis: polynomial fitting, point deletion, undelete, change value, point weighting, linear and quadratic loess and binomial smoothing, revert to unit point weights or original data buffer, substitute results into data buffer for pass back to calling function. Dump data buffer (+ overlays and error bars) to file or printer. Change to user specified coordinate system. o Tricolor image combination and display, hardcopy halftone printout to HP-PCL compatible printers (Laserjet, deskjet, etc.) o Documentation is over 300 pages in custom vinyl binder. Cost: 995 $USD/copy Available from: Axiom Research, Inc. Box 44162 Tucson, AZ 85733 (602) 791-2864 phone/fax. international marketing rep: Saguaro Scientific Corporation, Tucson, Arizona. ========================================================================== End of Part 2 of the Resource Listing",comp.graphics 1334,"I have a Seagate hard drive that I need some info specific information on. Anyone have the ph# for Seagate Technology, Inc? (Or if they have a bbs setup that has all the drive info on it, like Maxtor does, I'll take that!) Thanks! ",misc.forsale 1335," These zealots. Holy fuck. Israel. Armenia. Turkey. Greece. Croatia. Serbia. Bosnia. Russia. Germany. Iran. The Arab World. War. ",talk.politics.guns 1336,"I have an application running in one window. In this application, I'd like to iconize this window, and later deiconize back to window. How could I do it? Your help would be appreciated.",comp.windows.x 1337," I had mention in a previous article that I was searching for the 300 external drive. I did call Apple Catalog as recommended and they told me the drives were back ordered until May 8. I placed an order anyways and two days later I had a visit from Federal Express. Well, you can guess how I spent my weekend. Of course I ended up paying list price but you do get a free copy of PC Exchange when you order from the Apple Catalog. You may want to check if they have any internal drives.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1338," What? Absolutely not. No way. Asimov was a lifelong atheist, and said so many times, right until his death. Judging from the many stories he told about his own life, he felt culturally closest to Judaism, which makes sense. He was born Jewish.",alt.atheism 1339," I believe the FPU on the LCIII is always supposed to go on the logic board, not in the PDS board. I have heard of crashing problems with PDS-based FPUs on the LCIII. Asante may have fixed them but why bother. Why bother building an LCIII card with an FPU anyway? The extra circuitry gives the card one more chance to fail. I say FPU on main logic board, in socket, Ethernet alone on PDS card, in slot. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1340," Heck, I remember reading a quote of Luther as something like: ""Jews should be shot like deer."" And of course much Catholic doctrine for centuries was extremely anti-Semitic. ",alt.atheism 1341,"It is important if Christianity is being damaged by it. If people who ""speak in tongues"" make claims that they are miraculously speaking a foreign language through the power of the Holy Spirit, when it can easily be shown that they are simply making noises, it damages all Christians, since many who are not Christians do not distinguish between the various sects. The more modest claim for ""tongues"" that it is simply uncontrolled praise in which ""words fail you"" is surely the one that should be used by those who make use of this practice. I agree with the point that ""Charismatic"" practices like this can lead to forms of worship which are more about the worshipper showing off than genuine praise for God; one of the things Jesus warned us about.",soc.religion.christian 1342,"[does he believe in predestination] really? you may be right, but i'd like proof. as far as i know (and i am not a div school student!) the catholic church does not seem to accept predestination. my chaplain told me ""beware of greeks bearing gifts"" with reference to this doctrine: it seems to have the curious result that human beings are not held responsible for their own actions! i'll answer how you deal with this in a minute. right. that doesn't really seem like predestination to me, but i'll continue with what you're saying.... this is really confusing to me, especially since i still believe that christ jesus died for ALL of us. preknowledge of obstinacy seems like an awfully convoluted way to account for a couple of verses. but then, i am not really biblically supported in this opinion -- or am i? others? so God uses grace like margarine: he only spreads it where it's needed and not where it isn't? and so there are the saved and the not-saved, and nothing in between. hmmmm. although i realize this doctrine was not originally intended to cause social problems, it ends up doing just that -- if there is supposed to be some sort of ""sign"" that someone is elect, like lots of children or success at work, then those who have a good life on earth will go around thinking that those who don't are doomed to hell. in a way, though, this sounds like the opposite idea -- those doomed to hell will have a great life on earth. that's almost like the converse of what i believe -- responsibility for what we do now will be punished after we die. you're saying what we get after we die has a direct bearing on how we live now? strange.... so sin is either punished now or later -- and not both? what if it's sort of half-punished? are there any grey areas in this doctrine? [my stuff deleted] >We should stop the slaughter of the innocent (cf Proverbs 24.11-12), but >does that mean that Christians should support a war in Bosnia with the >U.S. or even the U.N. involved? I do not think so, but I am an >isolationist, and disagree with foreign adventures in general. But in >the case of Bosnia, I frankly see no excuse for us getting militarily >involved, it would not be a ""just war."" ""Blessed"" after all, ""are the >peacemakers"" was what Our Lord said, not the interventionists. Our >actions in Bosnia must be for peace, and not for a war which is >unrelated to anything to justify it for us. the idea (well, my idea) would be that you would intervene to establish peace and stop the atrocities. i'm not suggesting wwIII. i don't really understand what you mean by a ""just war"". of course i am not an isolationist, although i see some merit in not jumping in at the first opportunity (can you say kuwait?). we happen to be a big country with a lot of resources (as well as a lot of debt), and this gives us some responsibility in the world, whether we like it or not. flashbacks of wwII, as well as vietnam, should be haunting us. yet another difference of opinion. so be it. >Andy Byler thank you for answering; i hope you don't take any of my comments as flames, but instead as expressions of interest.",soc.religion.christian 1343,"Has anyone tried this HP LaserJet FAX. It receives faxes and prints them on your HP III. Also, from your word processor, you can print straight to the fax.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1344,"I am considering selling an Atari 1040 and purchasing an IBM compa- tible. I need to know what kind of money or trade I can expect to get for the Atari before I bother. I am about to start graduate school, and that means I'm about to be poor! (There's a price list for used synthesizers on rec.music.makers.synth, but no equivalent list for computers...) This system is tailor-made for a MIDI musician. Details follow: * Atari 1040 ST TOS 1.0 1 MB RAM 720K floppy drive * SupraDrive 20 Mb external SCSI drive, 18 months old * 12"" Atari monochrome monitor * Generic 2400 baud external modem * Software: All software is registered and comes with manuals. Passport's Master Tracks Pro, Version 2.5 (sequencing software) Dr. T's Copyist Professional (scoring software) First Word (word processor - *not* the PD version) Megamax's Laser C, Version 2.0 (programming language) VIP Professional (spreadsheet package - low-tech Lotus clone) Partner ST (desk accessory with integrated calendar, cardfile, etc.) Migraph's Easy Draw (an early, pre-Postscript release) NeoDesk (improved desktop for Atari ST) Universal III (improved file selector for Atari ST) Miscellaneous software (including Uniterm communications software) I will consider all prices above $900. I am also willing to trade the Atari system for a quality (386 or 486) PC, including lap-tops. I own some PC hardware, so a complete system may not be necessary. -- == John J. Ladasky II (""ii"") ========================= ladasky@netcom.COM == ""Great composers do not borrow - ""Talking about music is like they steal."" - John Ladasky ~ - dancing about architecture."" (quote stolen from Stravinsky, who o o - Elvis Costello? Laurie stole it from a statement made by > Anderson? Frank Zappa? Pablo Picasso about painting, who \_/ ------------------------------- stole it from...) ""Property is theft."" - Groucho",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1345," I would like to offocially nominate Maxima Chain Wax as another Official (tm) DoD product of choice.",rec.motorcycles 1346," | | > Mary at that time appeared to a girl named Bernadette at | > Lourdes. She referred to herself as the Immaculate Conception. | > Since a nine year old would have no way of knowing about the | > doctrine, the apparition was deemed to be true and it sealed | > the case for the doctrine. |Bernadette was 14 years old when she had her visions, in 1858, |four years after the dogma had been officially proclaimed by the |Pope. | | Yours, | James Kiefer I forgot exactly what her age was but I remember clearly that she was born in a family of poverty and she did not have any education, whatsoever, at the age of the apparitions. She suffered from asthma at that age and she and her family were living in a prison cell of some sort. She had to ask the 'Lady' several times in her apparitions about what her name was since her confessor priest asked her to do so. For several instances, the priest did not get an answer since Bernadette did not receive any. One time, after several apparitions passed, The Lady finally said, ""I am the Immaculate Conception"". So, Bernadette, was so happy and repeated these words over and over in her mind so as not to forget it before she told the priest who was asking. So, when she told the priest, the priest was shocked and asked Bernadette, ""Do you know what you are talking about?"". Bernadette did not know what exactly it meant but she was just too happy to have the answer for the priest. The priest continued with, ""How did you remember this if you do not know?"". Bernadette answered honestly that she had to repeat it over and over in her mind while on her way to the priest... The priest knew about the dogma being four years old then. But Bernadette did not know and yet she had the answer which the priest finally observed and took as proof of an authentic personal revelation of Our Lady to Bernadette. (Note: This Lady of Lourdes shrine has a spring of water which our lady requested Bernadette to dig up herself with her bare hands in front of pilgrims. At the start little water flowed but after several years there is more water flowing.) -Marida ""...spreading God's words through actions..."" -Mother Teresa ",soc.religion.christian 1347," Well, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion and national origin? Between 1914 and 1920, 2.5 million Turks perished of butchery at the hands of Armenians. The genocide involved not only the killing of innocents but their forcible deportation from the Russian Armenia. They were persecuted, banished, and slaughtered while much of Ottoman Army was engaged in World War I. The Genocide Treaty defines genocide as acting with a 'specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.' History shows that the x-Soviet Armenian Government intended to eradicate the Muslim population. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were exterminated by the Armenians. International diplomats in Ottoman Empire at the time - including U.S. Ambassador Bristol - denounced the x-Soviet Armenian Government's policy as a massacre of the Kurds, Turks, and Tartars. The blood-thirsty leaders of the x-Soviet Armenian Government at the time personally involved in the extermination of the Muslims. The Turkish genocide museums in Turkiye honor those who died during the Turkish massacres perpetrated by the Armenians. The eyewitness accounts and the historical documents established, beyond any doubt, that the massacres against the Muslim people during the war were planned and premeditated. The aim of the policy was clearly the extermination of all Turks in x-Soviet Armenian territories. The Muslims of Van, Bitlis, Mus, Erzurum and Erzincan districts and their wives and children have been taken to the mountains and killed. The massacres in Trabzon, Tercan, Yozgat and Adana were organized and perpetrated by the blood-thirsty leaders of the x-Soviet Armenian Government. The principal organizers of the slaughter of innocent Muslims were Dro, Antranik, Armen Garo, Hamarosp, Daro Pastirmadjian, Keri, Karakin, Haig Pajise-liantz and Silikian. Source: ""Bristol Papers"", General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920. ""I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."" Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 1348,": > : > I think you're letting atheist mythology : Great start. I realize immediately that you are not interested : in discussion and are going to thump your babble at me. I would : much prefer an answer from Ms Healy, who seems to have a : reasonable and reasoned approach to things. Say, aren't you the : creationist guy who made a lot of silly statements about : evolution some time ago? : Duh, gee, then we must be talking Christian mythology now. I : was hoping to discuss something with a reasonable, logical : person, but all you seem to have for your side is a repetition : of the same boring mythology I've seen a thousand times before. : I am deleting the rest of your remarks, unless I spot something : that approaches an answer, because they are merely a repetition : of some uninteresting doctrine or other and contain no thought : at all. : I have to congratulate you, though, Bill. You wouldn't : know a logical argument if it bit you on the balls. Such : a persistent lack of function in the face of repeated : attempts to assist you in learning (which I have seen : in this forum and others in the past) speaks of a talent : that goes well beyond my own, meager abilities. I just don't : seem to have that capacity for ignoring outside influences. : Dean Kaflowitz Dean, Re-read your comments, do you think that merely characterizing an argument is the same as refuting it? Do you think that ad hominum attacks are sufficient to make any point other than you disapproval of me? Do you have any contribution to make at all?",alt.atheism 1349,"I have a Northern Telecom disk array dated 1987 that has two 253MB drives units in it and I cannot get it formatted. I set the SCSI ID on 1 and my software recognizes the unit, but I cannot mount it or anything - do I have to use BOTH drives in the array? Any help with these drives or possibly newer software than what I'm using (FWB HDT1.0 and 1.1) will be greatly appreciated! -grey ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1350," Now *this* is a legitimate point. Baseball is entertainment, and I have no quarrel with people who find certain styles of play more entertaining than others, regardless of their win-value. Personally, I'm a huge fan of the slug-bunt; I doubt it's a high-percentage play, but I get a big kick out of it. I am willing to live with the bad consequences in exchange for the fun. Of course, this is *not* the same as claiming (as some do) that Galarraga's inability to defer gratification isn't hurting his team because he ""isn't paid to walk"" or ""is an RBI guy"" or whatever. I'm not sure. I used to think this was true, but more and more I'm becoming convinced that it's the other way around: among players with the physical ability to hit the ball real hard, the patient ones are the ones who get the chance to do it a lot. Let's break down the four basic categories of hitter, according to whether they are power threats and whether they walk a lot: Power No Power Patient Frank Thomas Brett Butler Barry Bonds Ozzie Smith Mark McGwire Craig Grebeck Babe Ruth Miller Huggins Ted Williams Billy Hamilton Rickey Henderson Eddie Joost Joe Morgan Mike Hargrove . . . . . . Impatient Ernie Banks Ozzie Guillen Dave Kingman Shawon Dunston Joe Carter Andres Thomas George Bell Jose Lind Kirby Puckett Devon White etc. As far as I can tell, all the categories are full. It really looks like the two are independent. Nobody could possibly be *afraid* of Craig Grebeck at the plate, and yet he walks quite a lot. Part of that, undoubtedly, is being small of stature, but surely major league pitchers can hit that sort of target at least 3 times out of 6. Randy Milligan is an even better example; he's only shown noticeable power for one (partial) season, but he walks all over the place, despite his huge strike zone. ",rec.sport.baseball 1351," You are sure that what you call a 200SX we call a 240? Just curious.. We also have a nissan predacessor (sp) to the 240 called a 200, which came in turbo and nonturbo. But i don't think we've ever had a 240 turbo...just curious...(BTW, I'm in the US, if that matters..)",rec.autos 1352,"Hi Mac fans, I have some problems with my new Quadra 700. Several programs (Mathematica 2.1, AfterDark-Mandelbrot module) causes a systemcrash if the 040Cache is active. Do anyone have a list of programs which are compatible and which are not? Do anyone have some hints for the use of the Quadras perfomence?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1353,"What is the healthiest way to deal with earwax? Should one just leave it in your ear and not mess with it, or should you clean it out every so often? Can cleaning it out damage your eardrums? Are there any tubes in your ear that might get blocked?",sci.med 1354," You mean Bobby Mozumder is a myth? We wondered about that. You mean Bobby Mozumder didn't really post here? We wondered about that, too. So, Mr Conner. Is Bobby Mozumder a myth, a performing artist, a real Moslem. a crackpot, a provocateur? You know everything and read all minds: why don't you tell us?",alt.atheism 1355," I tried this code yesterday. On my Sparcstation ELC it takes over 300 seconds to compress 22 seconds' worth of speech. This means that it needs to be ""optimized"" by over a factor of 10 before it will be usable in even a half-duplex mode. I question whether CELP is the best approach for this application. It produces great compression but at the expense of tremendous CPU loads. We want something that can be run on ordinary workstations or even high-end PC's without DSP cards. My guess is that some other algorithm is going to be a better starting point.",sci.crypt 1356," Mine works great, so far...... ",None 1357," Coming from an idiot/crook Armenian, I'd take that as a compliment. Your criminal grandparents committed unheard-of crimes, resorted to all conceivable methods of despotism, organized massacres, poured petrol over babies and burned them, raped women and girls in front of their parents who were bound hand and foot, took girls from their mothers and fathers and appropriated personal property and real estate. And today, they put Azeris in the most unbearable conditions any other nation had ever known in history. Source: John Dewey: ""The New Republic,"" Vol. 40, Nov. 12, 1928, pp. 268-9. ""They [Armenians] traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the Russian invader; that they boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."" SOME OF THE REFERENCES FROM EMINENT AUTHORS IN THE FIELD OF MIDDLE-EASTERN HISTORY AND EYEWITNESSES OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 2.5 MILLION MUSLIMS 1. ""The Armenian Revolutionary Movement"" by Louise Nalbandian, University of California Press, Berkeley, Los Angeles, 1975 2. ""Diplomacy of Imperialism 1890-1902"" by William I. Lenger, Professor of History, Harward University, Boston, Alfred A. Knopt, New York, 1951 3. ""Turkey in Europe"" by Sir Charles Elliot, Edward & Arnold, London, 1900 4. ""The Chatnam House Version and Other Middle-Eastern Studies"" by Elie Kedouri, Praeger Publishers, New York, Washington, 1972 5. ""The Rising Crescent"" by Ernest Jackh, Farrar & Reinhart, Inc., New York & Toronto, 1944 6. ""Spiritual and Political Evolutions in Islam"" by Felix Valyi, Mogan, Paul, Trench & Truebner & Co., London, 1925 7. ""The Struggle for Power in Moslem Asia"" by E. Alexander Powell, The Century Co., New York, London, 1924 8. ""Struggle for Transcaucasia"" by Feruz Kazemzadeh, Yale University Press, New Haven, Conn., 1951 9. ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey"" (2 volumes) by Stanford J. Shaw, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York, Melbourne, 1977 10.""The Western Question in Greece and Turkey"" by Arnold J. Toynbee, Constable & Co., Ltd., London, Bombay & Sydney, 1922 11.""The Caliph's Last Heritage"" by Sir Mark Sykes, Macmillan & Co., London, 1915 12.""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard A. Hartill, Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 1928 13.""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-22"" by A. Rawlinson, Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925 14.""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn, Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952 15.""From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne"" by Avetis Aharonian, The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17 (Spring 1964) 16.""Armenia on the Road to Independence"" by Richard G. Hovanessian, University of California Press, Berkeley, California, 1967 17.""The Rebirth of Turkey"" by Clair Price, Thomas Seltzer, New York, 1923 18.""Caucasian Battlefields"" by W. B. Allen & Paul Muratoff, Cambridge, 1953 19.""Partition of Turkey"" by Harry N. Howard, H. Fertig, New York, 1966 20.""The King-Crane Commission"" by Harry N. Howard, Beirut, 1963 21.""United States Policy and Partition of Turkey"" by Laurence Evans, John Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, 1965 22.""British Documents Related to Turkish War of Independence"" by Gothard Jaeschke 1. Neside Kerem Demir, ""Bir Sehid Anasina Tarihin Soyledikleri: Turkiye'nin Ermeni Meselesi,"" Hulbe Basim ve Yayin T.A.S., Ankara, 1982. (Ingilizce Birinci Baski: 1980, ""The Armenian Question in Turkey"") 2. Veysel Eroglu, ""Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 1978. 3. A. Alper Gazigiray, ""Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari,"" Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982. 4. Dr. Kirzioglu M. Fahrettin, ""Kars Ili ve Cevresinde Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Kardes Matbaasi, Ankara, 1970. T.C. Basbakanlik Osmanli Arsivi, Babiali, Istanbul: a) Yildiz Esas Evraki b) Yildiz Perakende c) Irade Defterleri d) Cemaat-i Gayr-i Muslime Defterleri e) Meclisi Vukela Mazbatalari f) Dahiliye Nezareti, Kalem-i Mahsus Dosyalari g) Dahiliye Nezareti, Sifre Defterleri h) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Siyasi Kartonlar i) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Muhimme Kartonlari T.C. Disisleri Bakanligi, Hazine-i Evrak, Defterdarlik a) Harb-i Umumi b) Muteferrik Kartonlar British Archives: a) Parliamentary Papers (Hansard): Commons/Lords b) Foreign Office: Confidential Print: Various Collections c) Foreign Office: 424/239-253: Turkey: Correspondence - Annual Reports d) Foreign Office: 608 e) Foreign Office: 371, Political Intelligence: General Correspondence f) Foreign Office: 800/240, Ryan Papers g) Foreign Office: 800/151, Curzon Papers h) Foreign Office: 839: The Eastern Conference: Lausanne. 53 files India Office Records and Library, Blackfriars Road, London. a) L/Political and Security/10/851-855 (five boxes), ""Turkey: Treaty of Peace: 1918-1923"" b) L/P & S/10/1031, ""Near East: Turkey and Greece: Lausanne Conference, 1921-1923"" c) L/P & S/11/154 d) L/P & S/11/1031 French Archives Archives du ministere des Affaires entrangeres, Quai d'Orsay, Paris. a) Documents Diplomatiques: Affaires Armeniens: 1895-1914 Collections b) Guerre: 1914-1918: Turquie: Legion d'Orient. c) Levant, 1918-1929: Armenie. Official Publications, Published Documents, Diplomatic Correspondence, Agreements, Minutes and Others A. Turkey (The Ottoman Empire and The Republic of Turkey) Akarli, E. (ed.); ""Belgelerle Tanzimat,"" (istanbul, 1978). (Gn. Kur., ATASE); ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri Dergisi,"" V. XXXI (81), (Dec. 1982). ----; ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri Dergisi,"" V. XXXII (83), (Dec. 1983). Hocaoglu, M. (ed.); ""Ittihad-i Anasir-i Osmaniye Heyeti Nizamnamesi,"" (Istanbul, 1912). Meray, S. L. (trans./ed.) ""Lozan Baris Konferansi: Tutanaklar-Belgeler,"" (Ankara, 1978), 2 vols. Meray, S. L./O. Olcay (ed.); ""Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Cokus Belgeleri; Mondros Birakismasi, Sevr Andlasmasi, Ilgili Belgeler,"" (Ankara, 1977). (Osmanli Devleti, Dahiliye Nezareti); ""Aspirations et Agissements Revolutionnaires des Comites Armeniens avant et apres la proclamation de la Constitution Ottomane,"" (Istanbul, 1917). ----; ""Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal ve Hareket-i Ihtilaliyesi: Ilan-i Mesrutiyetten Evvel ve Sonra,"" (Istanbul, 1916). ----; ""Idare-i Umumiye ve Vilayet Kanunu,"" (Istanbul, 1913). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. I (Istanbul, 1914). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. II (Istanbul, 1915). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. III (Istanbul, 1916). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. IV (Istanbul, 1917). (Osmanli Devleti, Hariciye Nezareti); ""Imtiyazat-i Ecnebiyye'nin Lagvindan Dolayi Memurine Teblig Olunacak Talimatname,"" (Istanbul, 1915). (Osmanli Devleti, Harbiye Nezareti); ""Islam Ahalinin Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; (IV. Ordu) ""Aliye Divan-i Harbi Orfisinde Tedkik Olunan Mesele-yi Siyasiye Hakkinda Izahat,"" (Istanbul, 1916). Turkozu, H. K. (ed.); ""Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi,"" (Ankara, 1982). ----; ""Turkiye Buyuk Millet Meclisi Gizli Celse Zabitlari,"" (Ankara, 1985), 4 vols. Russia Adamof, E. E. (ed.); ""Sovyet Devlet Arsivi Belgeleriyle Anadolu'nun Taksimi Plani,"" (tran. H. Rahmi, ed. H. Mutlucag), (Istanbul, 1972). Altinay, A. R.; ""Iki Komite - Iki Kital,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; ""Kafkas Yollarinda Hatiralar ve Tahassusler,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; ""Turkiye'de Katolik Propagandasi,"" Turk tarihi Encumeni Mecmuasi, V. XIV/82-5 (Sept. 1924). Asaf Muammer; ""Harb ve Mesulleri,"" (Istanbul, 1918). Akboy, C.; ""Birinci Dunya Harbinde Turk Harbi, V. I: Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Siyasi ve Askeri Hazirliklari ve Harbe Girisi,"" (Gn. Kur., Ankara, 1970). Akgun, S.; ""General Harbord'un Anadolu Gezisi ve (Ermeni Meselesi'ne Dair) Raporu: Kurtulus Savasi Baslangicinda,"" (Istanbul, 1981). Akin, I.; ""Turk Devrim Tarihi,"" (Istanbul, 1983). Aksin, S.; ""Jon Turkler ve Ittihad ve Terakki,"" (Istanbul, 1976). Basar, Z. (ed.);""Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz,"" (Ankara, 1974). ----; ""Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler - Derlemeler,"" (Ankara, 1978). Belen, F.; ""Birinci Dunya Harbinde Turk Harbi,"" (Ankara, 1964). Deliorman, A.; ""Turklere Karsi Ermeni Komitecileri,"" (Istanbul, 1980). Ege, N. N. (ed.); ""Prens Sabahaddin: Hayati ve Ilmi Mudafaalari,"" (Istanbul, 1977). Ercikan, A.; ""Ermenilerin Bizans ve Osmanli Imparatorluklarindaki Rolleri,"" (Ankara, 1949). Gurun, K.; 'Ermeni Sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir?', ""Turk Tarihinde Ermeniler Sempozyumu,"" (Izmir, 1983). Hocaoglu, M.; ""Arsiv Vesikalariyla Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve Ermeniler,"" (Istanbul, 1976). Karal, E. S.; ""Osmanli Tarihi,"" V. V (1983, 4th ed.); V. VI (1976, 2nd ed.); V. VII (1977, 2nd ed.); V. VIII (1983, 2nd ed.) Ankara. Kurat, Y. T.; ""Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Paylasilmasi,"" (Ankara, 1976). Orel, S./S. Yuca; ""Ermenilerce Talat Pasa'ya Atfedilen Telgraflarin Icyuzu,"" (Ankara, 1983). [Also in English translation.] Ahmad, F.; ""The Young Turks: The Committee of Union and Progress in Turkish Politics,"" (Oxford, 1969). Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 1358," Sorry to split hairs, but I just read in ""The making of the atomic bomb""(*) that teflon was developed during world war 2. A sealant was needed for the tubing in which uranium hexafluoride passed as it was gradually enriched by difussion. UF6 is very corrosive, and some very inert yet flexible material was needed for the seals. Alejo Hausner (hausner@qucis.queensu.ca)",sci.space 1359,"CJF> agrino@enkidu.mic.cl (Andres Grino Brandt) asks about Mormons. CJF> Although I don't personally know about independent sudies, I do know CJF> a few things. CJF> One of the more amusing things in the BOM is a claim that a CJF> civilization existed in North America, aroun where the mystical plates CJF> were found. Not only did it use steel and other metals, but it had CJF> lots of wars (very OT). No one has ever found any metal swords or CJF> and traces of a civilization other than the Native Americans. I was talking to the head of the archeology dept. once in college and the topic of Mormon archeology came up. It seems that the Mormon church is (or was) big on giving grants to archeologists to prove that the native Americans are really the lost tribe of Israel and other such bunk. The archeologists would shake their head knowingly while listening to them, take the grant, and go off to do real archeology anyway. ",alt.atheism 1360,"Recently, Windows has starting giving me the error ""Sound Blaster Pro: Requires newer version of Windows 3.1."" It has worked correctly for a long time, and don't know what the problem could be. Thanks! -- ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1361,"Hi Netters. For my home computer I have a humble MacLC with a 12"" color monitor. The majority of my work is writing, therefore I would love to have a b&w portrait monotor conected to the LC. However, I sometimes do need the color monitor. My question is this; Is there a good (Cheap) way to hook up two monitors to my LC and is there anyone out there that has done this, how do you like it? Please respond here or to me directly. Thanks for your time, hope to talk to anyone soon! jerry salem",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1362,"Hmmm.... CELP takes up about 12.6 MIPS for full duplex, and has been implemented on about a million DSP chips... the 56001 card in my PC only cost about $700, and I'm sure once demand goes up the prices would drop. The Analog Devices 21020 board that we're looking at now cost about $500 (academic price). I don't think hardware is something to worry about... if you get it working, people will snap up internet phone cards like there was no tomorrow. What we need here is a good implementation of CELP (the government code is absolute crap, I got a 30% speedup after looking at it for a couple of hours), and modifications to pgp to allow it to compress/decompress 144 bit frames every 30msec... I think the AD21020 should have enough juice for this (50MIPS). As part of the project I'm working on now, we're trying to get CELP up and running in realtime full duplex mode... I gotta find the source to pgp and see how tough it would be to integrate the en/decryption parts into the code. I'll play with it. Anyone else out there got an AD21020 setup? - Ed _____________________________________________________________________________ :-) ('') (-: (,,) :-) ('') (-: (,,) :-) | see lidflip instructions on Edward Hutchins, eah1@cec1.wustl.edu | other side of card ",sci.crypt 1363,"I have a new monitor which I set up approximately 3-4 feet from where the AC power enters my house - at my fuse box. Is this safe for the monitor, or will/can the EMF emitted by the AC current eventually affect my monitor? If so, how, and is the damage permanent or would degaussing fix it?",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1364," However, to underestimate the power of religion creating historical events is also a big misunderstanding. For instance, would the 30-year-old war have ever started if there were no fractions between the Protestants and the Vatican? Cheers, Kent",alt.atheism 1365," You obviously haven't read the information about the system. The chips put out serial number infomation into the cypher stream to allow themselves to be identified. The system does not rely on registering people as owning particular phone units. I am against the proposal, but lets be accurate in our objections. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com",sci.crypt 1366,": : As a private citizen, I would feel much more ""secure in my person and : papers"" knowing that an organization committed to individual civil : liberties- the ACLU and the NRA come to mind- was safeguarding half of : my key. Both the ACLU and the NRA are resistent to government pressure : by the simple expedient fact that they are not supported, funded, or : overtly controlled by the government. : -------------------------- Thats one problem that has so far been overlooked. These two escrow agencies will have to create a secure database and service the input and output of Keys. Who pays for this? If they refuse an illegal request from some congressman to deliver a key can their budget by cut to punish them? Will congress be forced to fund them forever? The problem is that laws can change. Congress may pass a law setting up an escrow agency with instructions that keys are private. Some future congress may change that law. Suppose pre-nazi Germany had a clipper system. Do you think the escrow agencies would have told Hitler that he could not have the keys without a valid court order? In effect you must set up escrow agencies as a fourth branch of the goverment and isolate them from any outside interferance. They will be able to directly tap into Federal funds with no accountability to anyone except through a court challenge.",sci.crypt 1367," Something similar has happened to me - ages ago when we were working on PGP we used to send short messages about development issues or simply to test new features around. Now at this time PGP (and certainly the newer version) was unknown over here. Suddenly the admin at the site I was using received a request that I stop sending encrypted email. Now there is almost no way that some automatic scanner could have found this, since they wouldn't have known about PGP - they *must* have checked for unknown data types in the message, tried to unscramble it, found they couldn't get past the PEM armour part, and then contacted the sysadmin and asked me to stop. Luckily the current email carriers are less picky about what goes over their networks :-). In case people think email scanning doesn't take place, I can assure you that it is done regularly by many sites - usually not by government agencies (or at least not that I know of), but by local administrators who, for reasons of their own, have decided to monitor all communications (I'm sure you can all think of a whole mess of reasons - stop hackers/ terrorists/child pornographers/drug dealers/evil commies/whatever). There have been several occasions when I've got people into trouble simply by including the traditional NSA bait in a message (I don't try it any more now :-). A friend of mine was once picked up for mentioning the name of the UK town of Scunthorpe (hint: look for words embedded in it). I'm sure there are many more examples of this happening (in fact if anyone has any examples I'd appreciate hearing from them - I could use them as ammunition during talks on privacy issues). Peter.",sci.crypt 1368," Does anyone know of an English language edition that does not show the verse (or even chapter) numbers. I have always thought that such an edition would be very useful - although hard to navigate around. I have a Scots NT that doesn't show verse numbers, and it is great to read, particularly longer narrative passages, but my Scots isn't quite up to doing proper study from this edition - I tend to use it to get a ""feel"" for a story, particularly in the gospels, and then use an English edition to look for details. Alison",soc.religion.christian 1369,"For sale: 030 direct slot adapter card for the mac iisi (with a mac coprocessor on it as well). If this what you are looking for. Let me know, email an offer as well if you are interested. ",misc.forsale 1370," This whole thread is rediculous. Who cares if they had a stove going or not. Does it matter if they had a stove burning, or lanterns burning, or candles burning, or someone smoking, etc, etc, etc. The premise is that the FBI was filling the house with napalm so that it would catch fire. This is crazy. FBI was NOT PUMPING NAPALM into the Davidians home. You will have to have pretty damn strong evidence to convince me of that. I can believe mass suicide/murder by Koresh. I can believe an accident by the Davidians. I can believe an accident by the FBI. I can easily believe mass stupidity on all sides but I can not believe that the FBI lit this fire intentionally. No way. ",talk.politics.guns 1371,"Hello. I have Windows 3.1 and I was wondering what is necessary to change the default system font to something else. I have just obtained MSC/C++ 7.0 with SDK, so I'd really like to get my feet wet with doing my first windows pro- gram to change the system font. Tx., William F. Maton",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1372,"Did youy guys know that it is LEGAL to own a radar detector but is ILLEGAL to use it! Isn't that a bit like owning a gun but not being allowed to use it? My mate just switches his off whenever the cops are around. ",rec.autos 1373,"Hey guys! I run twm and would like to execute some program before leaving twm. In other words I would like to run some program before I do f.quit. Is it possible to make a menu section which would contain these two parts?",comp.windows.x 1374," TRIVIA TIME!!! OK, We all know that Dave ""My Batting Average is Down in the"" Valle caught Chris Bosio's no hitter last night (and is batting over .300, BTW). Here is the question: Who caught Randy Johnson's no-hitter in June of 1990. (Hint: Not Dave Valle :-))",rec.sport.baseball 1375," Think about what you are saying here. The 24 bit image is quantised down to 8 bits so many 'similar' colours are mapped onto a single palette colour. This colour gets modified in fairly arbitrary ways. You then want to apply these modifications back to the 24 bit file, so you have to find which colours mapped to this one palette colour. Ok you could do this by copying the 24 bit file to a 32 bit file and using the extra 8 bits to hold the index entry. Having done this, you need to do something to them ... what, exactly? Apply the difference in RGB between the original and modified palette entry to each colour in the group? This could generate colours with RGB outside the range 0...255. It would also lead to discontinuities when different parts of a smooth colour gradient mapped to several different palette entries. You could interpolate from full modification to no modification depending how far each colour was from the palette entry. However I suspect this would look rather odd. So in summary, what I said in my previous posting still holds: In other words, to edit a 24 bit file you need software built for the job. Tacking mods onto xv is going to create more problems than it solves. As to the other bits - you seemed to be claiming that there were bugs in XV. If that was not what you meant, then: Yes, I probably did. I found that the collected digest format of your posting made it a little difficult to understand precisely what your point was. Sorry if I misunderstood. Yes again. What *is* (was?) wrong with xv? -- Chris Lilley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road, Manchester, UK. M13 9PL Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045 Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc",comp.graphics 1376,"Charles Hubbert writes... Chevy has let in 2 or 3 soft goals so far, but they all didn't matter. However, his recent history has been inconsistant play but comes up big when it counts. The score was 4-0 I think when the goal you mentioned was scored. In the third period when it looked like Toronto was coming back, Chevy was exceptional. I can see him as a Barraso style playoff goalie: inconsistant when there's nothing on the line, but comes up big when really needed. I guess we'll both find out. Ron",rec.sport.hockey 1377,"Greetings, I need some help with the detail of geometry specification. I have a program that uses Xlib to create a simple window. I tried to hard code the x,y location in XCreateWindow but it didn't work. I also tried XSetStandardProperties, XSetWMHints with no luck. Could somebody enlighten me on this subject. Hans.",comp.windows.x 1378,"Good points. In addition, I would point out that now is one of the best times to fight this political battle, with much of the opposition in disarray -- an FBI director (Sessions) on his way out, an Attorney General (Reno) who has only been in long enough to find the office coffee machine two tries out of three (and, between slow confirmations and Clinton's Saturday Night Massacre, hasn't much of a staff in place). If we really get lucky, both of the above will be too busy trying to keep their feet from being held to the Waco fire to spend much effort insisting on their alleged right to spy on the American people.",sci.crypt 1379," ",None 1380,"I have several isolation amplifier boards that are the ideal interface for EEG and ECG. Isolation is essential for safety when connecting line-powered equipment to electrodes on the body. These boards incorporate the Burr-Brown 3656 isolation module that currently sells for $133, plus other op amps to produce an overall voltage gain of 350-400. They are like new and guaranteed good. $20 postpaid, schematic included. Please email me for more data.",sci.med 1381," And now he is posting lies about Benjamin Franklin in talk.politics.misc. Seems our Mr. Salah will stoop to any level (or is that *climb*) to spread his hate. ",talk.politics.mideast 1382," >Can anybody tell me what exactly Windows 3.1 does to the COM ports??? >Why can't I run a single communication program under Windows? I have ProComm+, >QuickLink, {COMMO} - neither of them respond to modem commands after the >connection has finally been established, although I'm still able to manage > Vick. > (victorf@seas.ucla.edu) This is one of the trickiest problems w/ Win 3.1 ... Personally I run Telix 3.2 for DOS under Windows just fine (and 've been waiting for the Win version froever... :) ), but I have to admit I am the exception to the rule: I have tried installing various DOS comm progs on friends' machines, most of them w/ big problems... Some of the stuff you have to lookout for: 1) ALWAYS run the prog thru a .PIF, never by calling its .exe, 2) In the .PIF _always_ toggle on _lock_application_memory_ --actually this is something MS points out in the readme.wri file, and is especially critical for downloading 3) Go under Ctrl Panel/386 enh and check for _all_ your COM ports 'Alway Warn' --it will help u w. debugging this thing and it's 'healthier' 4) Check where are u running the mouse from - com port - 5) check the com port addresses from your BIOS setup and from Ctrl Panel/Ports/(Setup?)/Advanced.. These might help u... If yu still have problems, get $100 and buy Procomm+Win.., :) Hope it helps somehow... ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1383,"There are a number of Philosophical questions that I would like to ask: 1) If we encounter a life form during our space exploration, how do we determine if we should capture it, imprison it, and then discect it? 2) If we encounter a civilization that is suffering economicly, will we expend resources from earth to help them? 3) With all of the deseases we currently have that are deadly and undetectable, what will be done to ensure that more new deadly deseases aren't brought back, or that our deseases don't destroy life elsewhere? -- Have a day,",sci.space 1384,"All I can remember is that there was an article in Scientific American maybe 20 years ago. As someone else noted rats or mice fed nothing but heavy water eventually died, and the explanation was given. -- haynes@cats.ucsc.edu haynes@cats.bitnet",sci.med 1385,"Hello everybody! Does anybody know how to implement wordwrap with use of XDrawImageString? The problem is that I don't know how many characters can be drawn in a region. Have I to calculate character for character the width of the drawn text? Thank you in advance. ,,, (o o) --------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------- Joerg Mainzer Internet: mainzer@darmstadt.gmd.de German Nat. Research Center X.400net: mainzer@ipsi.darmstadt.gmd.dbp.de for Information Technology Voice : ++49-6151-869923 Dolivostrasse 15 Fax : ++49-6151-869818 W-6100 Darmstadt, Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Symptom : Bar moving. Fault : You are being carried out. Solution : Find out if you are being taken to another bar - if not complain loudly that you are being hi-jacked.",comp.windows.x 1386," I think you must have the same hygiene teacher I had in 1955. There is a story about the Civil War about a soldier who was shot in the groin. The bullet, after passing through one of his testes, then entered the abdomen of a young woman standing nearby. Later, when she (a young woman of unimpeachible virtue) was shown to be pregnant; the soldier did the honorable thing of marrying her. According to this story, they lived happily ever after. Perhaps the most famous of Mr. Rau's classes was the time he would come into class brandishing an aluminum turning mandrel (tapering from about 3/8"" to 1/2"" over a 10 inch length). He would say, ""Boys, do you know what this is? It's a medical instrument called a 'cock reamer' and it's used to unclog your penis when you have VD. They just ram it up there without an anesthetic!"" Needless to say this had a chilling effect. I didn't have lascivious thoughts for at least an hour. Later in life as I perused medical instrument catelogs and saw the slender flexible urethral sounds that are actually used, I could not escape thinking that I might one day see, ""Reamer, Cock (style of Rau) ."" ] ",sci.med 1387," That's because they took the old VT 500 engine and stepped on it to make the plant for the Hawk -> ""New Twin"". Or does that only fly for Microsoft NT (New Technology)? I've been at this too long today ... Cheers, Victor ""Dances with Hawks"" Johnson",rec.motorcycles 1388,,None 1389," You'll have to kill off half the net. Maybe that isn't such a bad idea...",None 1390,"Putting aside our substantial differences, I'd like to ask the knowledgeable ones to give feedback on this. Let me explain. One of my family members last week was discovered to have a brain tumor after having some difficulties with walking and writing (she is 64 years old). Otherwise, she is in fine health. The discovery was made via CAT scans. She then had MRI scans done, where small cancerous areas were discovered in her lungs. Biopsies showed it to be adenocarcinoma. One spot is in the lungs, and another in the pneumothorax. The oncologists believe the cancer started in the lungs and caused the brain tumor (she smoked until four years ago). Anyway, I'd like feedback as to what adenocarcinoma is, how it is different from other cancers, how she will be treated (luckily the tumor is right below the skull and can be easily removed), and statistically what are the chances for full remission/recovery? Thanks. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club.",sci.med 1391," I would further add that a 486/50,S3/928,8mb,15"",200mbDISK is going to cost /WAY/ more than $900, probably $3,000. Color makes it not apples/apples too. Xterminals provide better price/performance than PCs. You can make a PC much cheaper, and perform much worse, and you can make PC's perform great, and cost more. You pay extra for the additional functinality and expandability of a PC. For home user, that extra functionality is worth the added cost.",comp.windows.x 1392,"]To those of you who have the BMW heated handgrips: ] Are they comfortable? Do they transmit a lot of ] vibration? How do they compare to the stock grips? ] To foam grips? I don't have the grips, but have looked into getting them. it's my understanding that the grips themselves are the standard european style grips now coming standard on the 93 bikes (K1100RS, K1100LT, etc). it's also my understanding that the heater resides _inside_ the bar itself so if anything I would suspect it would reduce vibration by providing more bar end mass. I don't see why they wouldn't work with the old style foam grips aside from the fact that it might cause the foam to deteriorate or something. hard to belive considering they do fine in the 100+ degree texas summers. 'course, I don't actually have them so you can save your flames. ",rec.motorcycles 1393," Ultimately it rests with personal opinion...in my opinion. :-) The question doesn't make sense to me. Maybe it would be better to ask, ""What makes a democracy better than [for example] a totalitarian regim?""",alt.atheism 1394," Sorry, my news reader doesn't want to reply. 1) Ling, S.C. ""Fluxgate magetometer for Space Application"", IEEE Journal Spacecraft, Vol. 1, No. 2, March-April 1964, pp 175-180. Oldish, but usable. Background information 2) ""Fluxgate magnetometry"", Electronics world + Wireless world, September 1991, pp. 726-732. Great! Circuit diagrams etc for building an electronuc compass",sci.electronics 1395," This a wightened speed avarage for many windows tasks. The original poster (Ross Mitchell) was primary intersted in manipulating large images, which implies moving a lot of data from memory to the card. Does anyone have the benchmarks on this particular task? -- Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1396," The only book I know of is : ""The X Window System Server - X Version 11, Release 5"" by Elias Israel / Erik Fortune Digital Press Copyright 1992 Order number EY-L518E-DP DP ISBN 1-55558-096-3 PH ISBN 0-13-972753-1 But if there are any more, please post/email me the names. -- -- bkilgore Thus spake the master programmer: ""After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless."" - Geoffrey James ""The Tao of Programming"" ------------------------------------------------------",comp.windows.x 1397,"Does anyone know about the Christian Embassy in Washington DC? What exactly does it do? Please respond to lisa@ux1.lbl.gov",soc.religion.christian 1398," We all had that problem, you need to expand the fonts manually, the program ""decomp"" is on disk 1 & the equations fonts are on disk 3 Have fun",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1399," How big of a lightning rod, would you need for protection? and would you need jupiter as a ground plane.",sci.space 1400," About as hard as it was to design the Color Classic, since it's monitor behaves in just this manner.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1401,"Could someone out there send me Pecota's stats for the last few years, or something to give me some sort of ""feel"" for what kind of player he is? My mind has no handle on him at all, it bothers me. Pecota of the Braves, that is. Pretty meaningful that I can't even come up with his first name, I think..",rec.sport.baseball 1402," I want one, and I don't want to move to Europe to buy one. Please make it the next Pontiac F-Car. Of course I'll have to wait 'till 2003 to buy it... ",rec.autos 1403,"If I were Pat Burns I'd throw in the towel. The wings dominated every aspect of the game. Trying to mix up the lines is a dead end. Murray has too many combinations to counter with. My prediction is wings in 5.",rec.sport.hockey 1404,"I have a ST138 RLL hard drive and I have just got another 32M hard drive. The controller in my machine is a WD-1002-27X. Can a kind soul please mail me or tell me how to get jumper settings for that board? I really appreciate this. Thanks in advance. Jerry -- ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1405,"} } } |""> It is interesting to look at the change(s) of mind that John has had. } |"" } |""Very interested indeed! This is against this kind of ""changes"" that the GNU } |""COPYLEFT is protecting us. } |"" } |""Anyway, at SIMULOG, we will abandon xv. We were using it mostly for slide- } |""shows because of its ""-loop"" feature that display does not have (display } |""from the *wonderful* ImageMagick package! :-D), but I think I will implement } |""it myself (even a shell-script should do the job) and forget xv. We too will have to stop using it. Shame really - it was rather nice. Still, I have no objection to the owner claiming money for legit. work he's put in. We'll just go back to the older versions of Xv.",comp.windows.x 1406,"Does anyone know where I can get a hold of some secure encrypting chips or devices before they are banned completely?!? Steve ",sci.crypt 1407," Hi Frank: I've read it a couple of times and I think that it is excellent. Christiandom has needed this book for some time now. I suggest that *every* Christian read it. According to Hank, they printed 15 times more than Harvest House usually prints for the first printing, and it still sold out in the first week. It is in it's second printing, and most Christian book stores have waiting lists. You can order it directly from CRI at 1-800-443-9797.",soc.religion.christian 1408," Speaking of which, a paper was out a few years ago about a weather sat imaging a lunar eclipse -- are those images uploaded anywhere? I could dig out the reference if there's interest. Shag -- ",sci.space 1409,": : I am facinated by the things I have heard about the PGP : encryption program. Does anybody out there know where I might get a : version of this program that runs under Windows 3.1, MS-Dos, Unix : w/source? As of this writting I have no UNIX access and am running on a : nifty windows implamentation of uucico. At the moment PGP is available in executable format for MS-DOS and Mac, and source code for most other platforms including UNIX. Many FTP sites keep a copy (although the Mac version is getting hard to find). Try the following site: soda.berkeley.edu /pub/cypherpunks/pgp Jon",sci.crypt 1410,"+-----------------------------------------------------------+ | | | ""There's no room for Christians here!"" and ""When we | | finish with the Armenians, we'll go after the Russians!"" | | | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF KARINE BORISOVNA MELKUMIAN [1] Born 1963 Teacher Boarding School No. 1 Resident at Building 2B, Apartment 21 Block 41A Sumgait [Azerbaijan] This is my fate: I had everything, we were a happy family, and now, at 25, I've become a widow, I'm left to raise my three children alone; the third, not yet two months old, was born in Yerevan. Igor and I had thought that if it was a girl we would call her Raisa, after my mother-in-law, and if it was a boy, we'd call him Arsen, after Igor's grandfather. I had a girl, and I, without Igor, named her Raisa, in honor of her dead grandmother. Our family and the Melkumians had been neighbors since 1965. Igor and I grew up together, we were friends from childhood on. We got engaged when I was 16. In 1981, when I was 18, we were married. Two children were born to us in Sumgait. My daughter is now 6 years old, her name is Kristina, and my son, Seryozha, is four and a half. First I shall tell what happened on February 27. That day on my way home from work I passed Lenin Square, where about 1,500 people had gathered. There were Komsomol members there, and Pioneers [Children's organization], and there were both Party members and non-Party people there as well. All of them were shouting, ""There's no room for Christians here!"" and ""When we finish with the Armenians, we'll go after the Russians!"" And some even cried Out, ""Death to the Armenians!"" Absurd rumors had been circulating about town. I became frightened. I came home, breathless, and told about everything I had seen downtown. My family couldn't believe it. My father-in-law Sogomon Markovich Melkumian, wasn't home, he was at an Azerbaijani wedding. By eight o'clock he returned and had barely finished parking the car when his rear window was smashed with a rock. He got out of the car but there was no one there. Well I was telling him everything, too, and he said, ""What, is there no longer any government?"" That same day Igor said, ""Papa, something terrible is happening in the city."" And he said, ""We'll stay at home, no one will drive us from our own home."" The day passed. On February 28, that was Sunday, we didn't go out. We called our relatives and asked them all kinds of questions, and they all said the same thing. Sometime around evening they started smashing the car of an Armenian from the neighboring building. Ira, my brother-in-law's wife, and I called the police: they're wrecking a car, help. We called and called, and nonetheless they didn't come and they didn't do anything. On February 29, on Monday, even though there were troops in the city, we were afraid to go to work. I called the school: I had the keys to the classroom. I told the senior teacher that he should send someone for the keys, I wouldn't be coming in. He agreed, and even said, ""Fine, don't come in, we understand what's going on in town, don't come in."" Before that, on the 28th, the Ambartsumian family came over. They came to my father-in-law and said, ""Uncle Sergey, they broke our windows, bad things are happening in town."" Uncle Misha Ambartsumian even said, ""With my own eyes I saw them chasing naked girls through the streets. I don't know,"" he said, ""we should leave town."" Well on the 29th we were already trying to decide where we should go, thinking we'd go to our dacha. We got a couple of bags together, clothes, food, the bare essentials. And then somewhere around 4:45 the building manager came by and said, ""Uncle Sergey, the situation in town is bad, don't go out."" My father even opened up to him and said, ""Maybe we'll drive to the dacha, it'll be safer there."" ""No,"" he said, ""it'll be worse there, you'll be safer at home."" He said don't be afraid, if something happens I'll send people to save you. After he left about 15 minutes passed and about 200 people burst into our courtyard. All of us were at home at the time: Igor and I and our two children, Ira and Edik and their daughter, my sister-in-law Ira, and my mother-and father-in-law. And the Ambartsumian family, there were three of them, Uncle Misha, Zhasmen, and their daughter Marina. Now when they started breaking down the door I remember Edik and Igor told us, ""Go in that room and close the door. Close the door and calm the children so they won't hear that there's anyone home."" The children started crying. Suddenly Ira, my brother-in-law's wife, suggested, ""Let's run out onto the balcony."" We -- the two daughters-in-law and the children, and Zhasmen and Marina -- raced out onto the balcony. My sister-in-law and my mother-in-law ran in and said, ""Quick, over to the other balcony, or they'll kill you all."" We lived on the second floor. We needed to cross over from our balcony to our neighbor's. At first we couldn't manage it. The balcony looked onto the street. At that time people were coming home from work, and many just stood there, watching. I pleaded and begged: ""Please, call someone, have someone come!"" I even started shouting. ""I'll throw down the children, I'll throw them down, you catch them and take them somewhere, so at least the children will survive."" Either they were afraid or . . . I don't know what. They looked as though they were watching a movie. Some of them started throwing stones at us. I'll say it again, these weren't the bandits, these were people from the other part of the building and from our entryway, they were just regular people, passersby. A bus even stopped. I remember a man's voice saying the Armenians were climbing over to the other balcony. Ira, my sister-in-law, helped us get the children over there. I was pregnant, about seven months pregnant. No, it wasn't yet seven, it was six and a half. I climbed over too. I think Zhasmen went first; you know, I just don't remember it all that well. Zhasmen went first, I think, and Edik's wife Ira and I had the children, and they were all screaming and crying. My Kristina said, ""Mamma, don't throw us over the balcony, we're afraid!"" Lilia was crying, and Kristina and Seryozha were crying too. Kristina didn't even want to climb over. She shouted, ""I'm staying with Grandmother, I'm staying with Grandma!"" She loved her grandma, more than she loved me. And my mother-in-law shouted, ""Oh no, Kristina's still there, she's still there, save Kristina, too!"" Ira helped us climb over, with Kristina coming last. Ira helped us and went back inside. We started pounding on the neighbor's balcony door. I pounded with my fist, Sevil, open the door, open it, please!"" She didn't open it. ""No, go away, go anywhere, go, I'm not opening the door."" She was our neighbor, we were friends, we never refused her anything, ever! And apparently she thought we were going to break the windows, and she opened the door. She opened it and said, ""Karina, Karina, go away, go anywhere, just don't stay here, they'll kill us, too, because of you."" I begged, ""Please, at least take the children, we'll leave, we'll go back."" ""No,"" she said, ""you have to leave."" Her sons ran in, one had a knife. Sevil's brother, he's around 18, shouted at us: ""Get out of here, leave, I'll kill you with this knife!"" I became terrified, I took the children and went out in the entryway and went down a few stairs. I went down and heard a loudspeaker. It was in the courtyard ""The Armenians must be killed, they've taken all the best places, all the best apartments!"" One of them said, ""Let the Armenian blood flow, none of them should survive!"" When I heard that I went upstairs and started knocking on doors. No one opened their door for me! Not on the third floor, or the fourth. I couldn't see Zhasmen any longer. Ira came upstairs later. I even thought that they had let her stay, that they would save her. My head was spinning. They were killing my family, and here I was in the next entryway with two children. Seryozha was four, and Kristina was five and a half. They were crying, ""Mamma, we're scared!"" They were so frightened that I didn't even know how to calm them, should I try to calm them or myself? It was awful. But on the third floor a man did open his door. I asked, ""Open up, let me inside!"" He opened the door slightly and said, ""No!"" ""No"" and that was it! He said it so sternly: ""No!"" I went up to the fifth floor. I pounded my fists on the door with all my might. He opened up, the man of the house, and stood there, looking at me. I was ready to get down on my knees. I almost did get down on my knees. ""Please, I beg of you, at least take the children."" He wasn't an Azerbaijani, he was a Lezgin. I don't even know how, but he let me inside. And when I went in, Zhasmen was already there. Two minutes hadn't passed when Ira and Lilia came up the stairs. Lilia was crying. He didn't want to open the door. And again I started pleading, ""Please, open the door, it's our Ira and Lilia! Open the door!"" And he said, ""No, I'm afraid."" I said again and again, ""Please, open the door, please!"" He looked at me. He looked at me for a long time and then opened the door after all. Ira came in with Lilia. We threw ourselves into each other's arms, crying. Then the man locked us into the bathroom. We sat there for a long time. Through the door he told us, ""Calm the children, and calm yourselves down, too."" Calm down? This man was hiding us, but what of our family? When I was still in our apartment I had sensed that none of us would come out of this alive. I said, ""Igor, Edik, let's say farewell."" And Edik turned around and looked at me as if to say, is that some kind of joke? All the same I thought they would kill all of us. Igor looked at me, too . . . But it was already too late! They started pounding on the door, Igor was standing next to the door. Before that he had told us, ""Go lock yourselves in that room and sit tight."" He thought we were in the room. But before we went out onto the balcony we went to them: ""Edik, Igor, let's say farewell."" Igor didn't think we could climb over to the other balcony. And we did get over there, and I myself can't believe we were able to save ourselves. Igor put on a helmet, and Edik had his coat on, and he put on a fur hat. All the men--Igor, Edik, their father, and Misha Ambartsumian--they all stood next to the door. They thought they would pound on it a while and leave. But from the other side of the door they ordered in Azerbaijani: ""Open the door!"" We were all silent, waiting. Someone outside the door said, ""They're home, they're in there, break down the door!"" And I remember my father-in-law whispering, ""They're going to break it down now, it's coming down now . . . "" He had something in his hands, I think it was a knife: if they got in, we were going to defend ourselves. In the hall near the door there were two metal chair legs. From outside the door they said, ""We're counting to five, open up!"" But we were all quiet, we didn't answer them. We made like no one was home. We figured they'd leave, they'd get tired and leave. My father-in-law had said, ""It's not possible they'd come into my home. How can that be? Everyone knows us, all of Sumgait knows our family, we are on good terms with everyone."" And indeed a day did not pass that there wasn't an Azerbaijani guest at our table. We had a nice dacha, everyone would get together there often, Azerbaijanis liked being with us there too. But now we had to save ourselves, we had to flee from our own home. Ira, I remember, said, ""I'm not leaving here, my brothers and my parents are here, I'm going to fight alongside them."" That's just what she said. She picked up a knife and said, ""If they open the door and come into the apartment then I'm going to fight alongside my family, I'm not going anywhere."" We were at Sevil's when they broke into our apartment. We heard fighting and shouting. The noise was terrible. And when we hid upstairs on the fifth floor at the Lezgin's apartment, you could hear everything up there, too. Even Ira's voice. I remember her calling her mother several times. She called her for a long time . . . I started pounding on the door in the bathroom: ""Open the door, what are they doing to Ira, who's shouting, that's Ira shouting, that's her voice!"" But the Lezgin said, ""It's nothing, calm down, no, it's not in your apartment."" He was lying to me so I'd calm down. Two hours went by and the Lezgin opened the door and said, ""Karina, Igor got away, calm down. He ran away."" He saw Igor break away and run off with his own eyes. They killed him outside, next to the building. While we were in the bathroom I experienced every possible human terror. The way Ira shouted! She shouted, ""Save me, Mamma, save me! . . . Mamma, Mamma!"" She repeated it several times. There was a wild din. There were very many people there, all of them shouting, all of them bellowing, howling, whistling--you just can't imagine what was going on, what the roar was like. Apparently, after they had killed Ira those murderers came into the entryway where we were hiding and came upstairs, all the way up to the fifth floor. I don't know if they were just looking for any Armenians or for us in particular, but I think they were looking for us because when we had climbed over the balconies someone on the street was saying that the daughters-in-law were climbing over the balconies. And after we heard Ira we heard them coming up the stairs in the entryway and hammering on the doors. I thought those were our last moments, and started saying good-bye to my children, kissing them. They were sleeping. I woke them up: ""Kristina! Seryozha, wake up!"" And I tell Ira: ""Ira, if something happens, we'll throw ourselves off the balcony."" We were on the fifth floor. Apparently our Lezgin neighbor had opened the door too, because later he said, ""I opened the door and told them there were no Armenians inside."" And after they all left our neighbor went out on the balcony himself to see: they were gone. We weren't friends with those Lezgin neighbors, we only knew each other from the building. But the people we were friends with wouldn't even consider hiding us. The Lezgin let us out of the bathroom. They had a candle burning. He said, ""Karina, there're no lights on in our block."" The whole block was dark, the whole block! It's a huge block, too. The Lezgin said, ""I'm afraid to keep you until morning, I'm afraid of the neighbors, they might kill me for saving you."" I said, ""What are you saying, we'll leave now. But we can't just leave with the children in the middle of the night. Give us time to find somewhere else to hide."" He said, ""Well OK, go look."" I asked Ira, ""Ira, do you want to go?"" Ira said, ""No, I'll stay with the children, Karina."" I said, ""Fine, then I'll go."" Zhasmen and I went downstairs together. It was very dark. No one was in the courtyard. It was dark, pitch black. l was afraid to go out at after seven, Igor always met me after work and accompanied me home, I never went out alone. And now here I was out in the middle of the night and after a slaughter like that, too. It was probably after eleven. Later I called the boarding school and my director answered. He said, ""Karina, where are you?"" I didn't know, I was calling from a public phone outside and didn't know where I was. I got confused and hung up the receiver. From him I only found out what time it was, I asked him, ""What time is it?"" He said 11:20, I think, but I don't really remember. So anyway Zhasmen and I went out into the courtyard. I look and see what appears to be a person not far from our apartment. And there was the smell of something burnt. I became horrified. I looked at the corpse for a long time. It was either Ira or Edik. I only saw one of them, Zhasmen grabbed my hand and squeezed it: ""Hurry up, let's go . . . Hurry up, come on, what are you turning around for?"" I turned around and saw a large truck, it must have belonged to the bandits, because they came to kill us in a truck like that. We lived in the third entryway, and that truck was next to the fourth. We walked quickly, holding hands. I thought, if I go to the police then they'll put me away. I couldn't count on them. Before I reached the police station I saw a military vehicle. We went over and I said, ""Soldier, in Block 41, I don't know if they've killed people or injured them--we need to save them!"" And he said, ""Go to the police station and tell them everything."" I said, ""I'm afraid to go there, I'm afraid of them."" He said, ""Don't be afraid."" We went to the police and they wrote down the address, and the military vehicle went to our building. I didn't go with them, they left me at the police station. I gave the addresses of my mother and my brothers so that they'd rescue them, too. I didn't know where they were or what had happened to them. After a while they brought my children and Ira and Lilia. First they took us to the KGB, that was at two or three in the morning. Then around five they took us to the City Party Committee, and there were very many people there, very many. I was pregnant and was wearing nothing but a dress. Seryozha was only wearing a shirt, and Kristina had a little dress on. No coat, no boots, nothing! And we sat there for three whole days in the City Party Committee. The Lezgin had told me that Igor escaped. And I thought that he was probably alive. But then after two and a half days, they took us, the Armenians of Sumgait, to Nasosny. On March 6 some people from the Central Committee came and told us, ""Karina, Ira, we need you, come with us to the City Party Committee."" My Mamma had come to Nasosny, and she had been looking for me for six days. Mama, my brothers, and my uncle. We went to the City Party Committee and waited there in the courtyard. I was wearing nothing but a dress, and Ira had only a dress on as well. There was a strong wind on March 6. An hour went by. And then one of the functionaries told us, ""Karina, Ira, gather your courage. Would you like to go to the burial?"" I said, ""What, did they really kill all of them?!"" He said, ""Let's look."" He had a long list, and he started reading them off: Igor Melkumian, my husband, Eduard Melkumian, my brother-in- law, Irina Melkumian, my sister-in-law, Sogomon Melkumian, my father-in-law, and Raisa Melkumian, my mother-in-law. He read off all their names and said, ""Get in the car, let's go to the burial."" We buried our family. I couldn't believe it at the time, I couldn't conceive of it or imagine it . . . And even now I think how shall I explain it to my children when they're older? My children were very attached to their father and their grandfather and grandmother. Kristina didn't love me the way she loved her grandfather and grandmother, they spoiled her. Kristina would always announce, ""My grandma is better than anyone!"" Now, even though she is getting used to my mother, it's difficult for her, and once she told her: ""You're a bad grandmother."" I don't know why, I asked her, ""Kristina, where's Papa?"" and she said, ""They killed him."" She knows, she understands it all. And recently I scolded Seryozha severely for something, and he started shouting at me, ""When Papa comes I'm going to tell him everything!"" July 26, 1988 Nairi Boarding House Near the Village of Arzakan Hrazdan District Armenian SSR - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, page 318-324 ",talk.politics.mideast 1411,"Hello, My parents are selling a 1978 22 foot Searay. it is in excellent condition and runs great. It has a mercruiser 198 inboard/outboard engine (it is actually a chevy 305). It is from the weekender class so it has a hard top over the driver. has: Table Stove Water Tank Sink Sleeping for 6 much more it is a good all around or fishing boat. If interested or for more info write tojmparkin@mtu.edu or call (313)681-4609 Thanks, Jeremy -- ",misc.forsale 1412," ",None 1413,"I need a large dog cage, the kind you use to housebreak a dog when you are not around. I have been adopted by a 11 month old non-housetrained huskey. I am in the Pittsburgh area. My number is 412 268-8843. ",misc.forsale 1414,"Yes - Everyone seems to be in agreement that the Yankees are finally moving in the right direction. They should finish over .500 this year and maybe even be in the pennent race in August. However, I would take back a few moves: 1. The Jim Abbott Trade. I think Abbott is not only an inspirational person, but a great pitcher also. He could win the Cy Young this year, but he won't because the right side of the Yanks infield isn't good enough. So why was this not a good trade? JT Snow. How many rookies have been able to step in and immediately have the impact that he has had so far on the Angels? I know it's early, but if you've seen this kid hit, field or talk you can just tell that he is going to be a tremendous player. The Yanks should have kept him. What about Mattingly, you ask? Well - it's great that the Yanks have taken care of him and remained loyal, but he's 10 years older than Snow and just doesn't have the same bat speed as before his back injury. It's a shame, but as a Yankee fan who wants to see the *best* Yankee team, I'd take Snow over Mattingly at first. The Yanks also gave up two promising propects with Snow for Abbott. Besides, with Domingo Jean, Brien taylor, Wickman, Militello, and Sterling Hitchcock, they are just loaded with propects. I know Abbotts only 26, but this was too much to give up. I believe George forced this trade because he believes (and he's right) that Abbott will be a big hit in NY. However, I'd like to see the Yankees build a baseball team, not an amusement show. 2. Wade Boggs. I live in Boston and like Wade a lot. But, his career is winding down and I would rather see the Yanks start to develop a long term solution (i.e. Hensley Muelins, Russ Davis, Velarde?). Besides, Wade just doesn't have any range. What a shame about Charlie Hayes, huh? 3. Spike Owen. See Wade Boggs. I'd much rather see them develop Dave Silvestri or whoever. Wade and Spike next to each other in the infield is going to raise the Yankee staff ERA 1/2 point. And these guys are on the down sides of their careers. 4. Danny Tartabull. Yes - he's put up some tremendous numbers and it's nice to think about what he could do if he were ever healthy all year. But he never is. We should expect 120 games max out of him. Meanwhile, Gerald Williams is playing at Columbus and Paul O'Neil is playing left field! I believe O'Neil led NL outfielders in assists last year - and Tartabull is a poor defensive outfielder. What I'm basically getting at is the Yanks are moving in the right direction but are NOT ready to win a pennent this year. They should (at the GM level) be planning for a 1994 or 1995 world series. This means getting the younger players experience in the majors NOW so they will be ready in a year or two. I'm afraid that all this stuff wreaks of George Steinbrenner. Certainly, the Boggs deal was all George. It looks like George is planning the right mix of veterans and young players to win a world series now. The veterans are always available and can be added at any time (like Boston did this year). Develop the young players first, then add the one or two veterans (or in the Yankees case, just keep them). Let's all us Yankee fans hope that George doesn't dismantle the terrific job Stick and company have done building the Yankee organization back into one of respect. I'm really afraid that he will trade whoever it takes to patch holes today (relief pitching for example). George must realize that the Yankees rebuilding process is still one or two years away. Have patience George and we will all enjoy the future. Fire Bucky and trade the kids and it's baseball hell for all loyal Yankee fans for a long time!",rec.sport.baseball 1415,"I wrote a letter the other day to Empower America - the organization which claims to be championing conservative issues, esp. in the wake of the Republican defeat last fall. Some might consider them just a an organization to create a network of support among conservatives for some individuals in prep. for '96 run. You'd be close to the truth. Their two leading spokesmen are Bill Bennett, former 'Drug Czar' who heartily supported Bush's semi-auto import ban, and wondered if it went far enough - who helped put the big lie about 'sporting use' into the public's eye - and Jack Kemp - who recently came out in support of semi-auto bans. These are conservatives ? Anyway I thought it interesting that when I ran Word Perfect's spell check against my letter - it came up with the following corrections for 'Bennett' : 1. Banned 2. Bayonet Needless to say, I found these choices rather amusing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""It [collectivism vs individualism] is an ancient conflict. Men have come close to the truth, but it was destroyed each time and one civilization fell after another. Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men."" -- Ayn Rand : 'Roark's speech from the _Fountainhead_' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't speak for my company. We hire the 'Politically Correct' to do that.",talk.politics.guns 1416," I have to agree with Ward. The problem with your approach is they add up what you can reasonably claim as 'spin-offs', add up what's been spent on space, and then come back with something like, ""You spent $X billion for that? Wouldn't it be better just to spend the money on direct research and forget all this space stuff? We could have got all that stuff a *lot* cheaper that way. Space is wasteful and inefficient."" Then they cancel your funding and spend it studying mating rituals of New Guinea tribesmen or something. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden",sci.space 1417,"can someone tell me where i could find ansi or ascii pics? I already found the gopher ascii pics. thanks Richard Mancsuo",comp.graphics 1418," xli and xloadimage have a -goto flag.",None 1419,"I use a ZYGON Mind Machine as bought in the USA last year. Although it's no wonder cure for what ail's you. It is however VERY good at stopping you thinking! Sound strange? Well suppose you're tired and want to go to bed/sleep. BUT your head is full of niggling problems to resolve, you lay in the bed, and quickly they all come to the surface, churning around from one unresolved thing to the next and then back again. Been there, bought the t-shirt? I slip on the Zygon and select a soothing pattern of light & sound, and quickly I just can't concentrate on the previous stuff. Your brain's cache kinda get's flushed, and you start on a whole new set of stuff. A useful addition, is the facility to feed the output of a tape player or CD through the box, I use New Age elevator muzak to enhance the overall effect. DEFFO better than a pill. Cheers Nigel",sci.med 1420," Jeez, that should do it. Very interesting application, controlled lighting and environment, moderate distances ... might be more interesting than my application. Just a thought, you could use a roof mounted IR sender, similar in operation to a TV remote control that tells each persons coded IR pulser to send a pulse. A Hamamatsu detector, as was mentioned in a previous message in this thread, would give the current position. Store and collate this on a computer and you could replay the movements on the screen. Interesting! --",sci.electronics 1421," Lucky they brought the situation to a prompt resolution before they had to turn things over to the amateurs. God help us all. -- ",talk.politics.guns 1422,"It seems that, to keep the peace talks going, Israel has to keep making goodwill gesture after goodwill gesture, while Palestinian Arabs continue to go around hunting Jews. If the peace talks are going to have any realistic chance of success, the Arabs are going to have to start reciprocating, especially since they are the ones who will be getting tangible concessions in return for giving up only intangibles. If they keep trying to change the already agreed upon rules, which seems to be one of their favorite games, the Israelis are not likely to be very confident that the intangibles they will receive at the bargaining table will be worth the parchment they're written on. It takes two to negotiate a peace. It's time for the Arabs to start doing their share. ",talk.politics.mideast 1423,"Ugliest swing..I am not sure. I think the ugliset stance is Jolio Franco of the Ranger. I wonder how that bat comes around in time to hit the ball. It looks bad but hey.it get the job done. ",rec.sport.baseball 1424," : Unfortunately, that is the way the league is heading... You can't fight, : so the only way to retaliate against someone is with a cheap shot when : the ref isn't looking. Ulf has brought this to a high level... Players : stuck in the past (like Neely) who prefer fights to cheap shots : are at a disadvantage in the new system. : Lets face it, A cheap shot (like high sticking) is a very effective : method... It is easier to hide from the refs, has a better chance of : causing injury, and you can draw people into fights that way. I don't : like it, but that's the way the league is going. : By the way, there was a rather good hit by Ulf in the last Penguin-Devil : game. Managed to hit the NJ player in the face with a stick. (Must have been a : legal hit... After all, Ulf is a clean player and is allowed to do : things like that.) Are there any ex NHL hockey players out there who might care to comment on this and end this ridiculously long discussion? ",rec.sport.hockey 1425," I had a similar experience. We had a written quote which had been mailed to us from the salesman at one of these ""no-haggle"" Toyota dealers for a Camry XLE w/ABS, leather, etc. The price seemed fair, but when we went in to take them up on their offer, they ""discovered"" that certain extra cost items hadn't been included in their original written quote. It would have totaled an extra $1100 and, in spite of the fact that we had a written quote, they said there was nothing they could do. Bottom line, quotes from salemen are worthless and it appears to me that the Toyota dealers think they've got such a superior auto that they don't have to deal. We walked, went out and bought a new LH car (Eagle Vision TSI) and I don't regret it one bit! ",rec.autos 1426,"The universe, mirrored in a puddle. Isn't it amazing how there *always* seems to be *another* bottle of bheer there? Aleph *one* bottles of beer on the wall, Aleph *one* null bottles of beer! you, too, are a puddle. As above, so below.",talk.religion.misc 1427," From _Free Inquiry_, Winter 83/84, the following is an introduction to the article ""Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon"", by George D. Smith. The introduction is written by Paul Kurtz. Mormonism -- the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- claims a worldwide membership 5.2 million. It is one of the world's fastest growing religions, with as many as 200,000 new converst in 1982 alone. Because of the church's aggressive missionary program, covering more than one hundred countries, it is spreading even to third world countries. Mormonism is both puritanical in moral outlook and evangelical in preachment. The church is run along strict authoritarian lines. Led by a president, who allegedly receives revelations directly form God, and a group of twelve apostles who attempt to maintain orthodoxy in belief and practice, the church is opposed to abortion, pornography, sexual freedom, women's rights, and other, in its view, immoral influences of secular society, and it forbids the use of tobacco, alcohol, coffee, and tea. Centered in Salt Lake City, the church is extremely wealthy and politically powerful in Utal and many other western states. Among well-know present-day Mormons are Ezra Taft Benson (former secretary of agriculture), the Osmond family, the Mariotts of the hotel empire, and a score of high-placed government officials. The Mormon church was founded in western New York in 1830 by Joseph Smith who claimed that by divine revelation be had found gold plates containing hieroglyphics buried on a hill and that with the help of visits from the angel Moroni he had been able to translate the writing into the _Book of Mormon_, the basis of Mormon belief. This book, written ""by the commandment of God,"" claims that the ancient Hebrews settled in America about 600 B.C.E. and were the ancestors of the American Indians. Mormons believe that those who have been baptized in the ""true church"" will be reunited after death and that deceased non-Mormon family members can be baptized by proxy and thus join their relatives in the hereafter. Because of these beliefs, Mormons have been considered outcasts by mainline Christian denominations and as heretics by religious fundamentalists. Joseph Smith was a controversial figure in his day -- he was both worshiped as a saint and denounced as a fraud. Because of persecution he led his band of loyal followers from Palmyra, New York, westward to Ohio and then to Illinois, where in 1844 he was shot to death by an agry mob. Brigham Young, who reportedly had as many as eighty wives, took over the leadership of the church and led the Mormons further westward, to found the new Zion in Salt Lake City. Following the teachings of Joseph Smith in the practice of polygamy was perhaps the Mormons most controversial practice in nineteenth-century America. While other religions go back many centuries -- Muhammadanism, 1200 years; Christianity, 2000; and Judaism, 3000 -- and attempts to examine their beginnings are difficult, extensive historical investigation of Mormon roots is possible. Some Mormons are willing to examine this history objectively, bu others maintain that such scrutiny is dangerous to the faith. In the following pages, _Free Inquiry_ presents two articles about the Mormon church. First, George D. Smith, a lifelong member of the church, provides a detailed critical examination of Joseph Smith and his claim the the _Book of Mormon_ was divinely revealed. Second, we present a portion of an interview with philosopher Sterling McMurrin, also a Mormon since birth, who questions the treatment of the history of the church by Mormon authorities. -- Paul Kurtz The article itself is super.",alt.atheism 1428," You should remember that in Adam's transgression, all men and women sinned, as Paul wrote. All of humanity cooperativley reblled against God in Adma's sin, thus, all are subject to it, and the sin is transmitted from generation to generation. Andy Byler]",soc.religion.christian 1429," Well, yeah. On the other hand, for the first few years of his career he looked like Herb Washington. Dan Gladden doesn't seem to suck defensively, either. Yeah, and how many of the white guys played one year into a long career? It's actually not an uncommon phenomenon, and how long a guy hangs around based on one good year seems like a reasonable question to explore on a racial basis. Hey, he plays for Lou Gorman, doesn't he? OK, so it's eight years. Good point on Cedeno. OTOH, I haven't seen that extensive list of 10-year Dan Gladdens, either. There really aren't that many players altogether who hang around for 10 years even if they're reasonably good. Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com",rec.sport.baseball 1430," I've been reading this board passively for a while now and find the subject absolutely fascinating, especially from the point of view of a civil rights nut like myself. My problem is that I'm new to the field and paragraphs like the above keep popping up. I'm sure what Mr. Bellovin is writing about is both fascinating and important, but I have NO IDEA what it means. :-) Anyway I'm keen to learn and will read anything I can get my hands on that explains this stuff in lay terms (I have a decent CS background, but not a huge amount of hyper-advanced math). Can anyone point me to a FAQ or a decent source of information about the guts of current cryptography and maybe a little history as well? I read the piece in this month's WIRED, can anyone tell me how much I should trust the references they suggest? Thanks in advance, Steve. ",sci.crypt 1431,"The original poster wanted to know how the Big Cat looked. I was also at the Saturday game in Montreal (Apr 17) that Rockies won 9-1. I haven't paid much attention to Gallarraga since he left the Expos but his stance seemed to be MUCH different. He stands more erect and very open, with his left foot pointing to 3rd base. I'm wondering if this is a recent change in stance for him? Andres had one glaring weakness as a hitter. He could always be fooled by a curve ball low and away. If this is indeed a new stance for him, maybe he is not being fooled as easily? As for his patience, Dennis Martinez definitely did not have his good stuff. If he was grooving pitches to Andres, you can hardly fault him for drilling them (which he did!). Does Andres generally start hot or cold? Does it take until May for most pitchers to have confidence in that curve ball low and away?",rec.sport.baseball 1432," Yeah! that's the guys! Yeah, that sounds a lot like lasertag anyway.... :-)",None 1433,"Hello all, I need to make some torso 3D scans and would like the phone numbers of companies in the midwest that make scans, and the numbers of companies that make the sanners (ie Cyberware). Does anyone have an idea of how much a single scan costs and the best format to save it in? I am not sure on what software platform I will be using it in, probably either Softimage or Wavefront. So I think a spline based format would be best. Please forward the numbers to me personally as I am having problems accessing USENET lately. Thanks in advance!",comp.graphics 1434," : This comes indirectly from Al Morgani who works in the studio : for ESPN hockey. [Some text deleted] : ESPN is under contractual obligation to show baseball and COULD NOT : broadcast the OT of the hockey game. Next year, ESPN2 will be introduced so : baseball fans can watch baseball and hockey fans can watch hockey. I hadn't heard about this new ESPN2. When is this new network supposed to start? Sounds great to me! (as long as my cable co. offers it) ",rec.sport.hockey 1435,"Where can I buy blinking LEDs besides radio shack? * Does anyone sell blinking LEDs with variable flash rate? (by voltage I guess) If so, what hertz (pulse) rate are they adjustable or set to? I'd like blinking LEDs that can be set for approx 5 hz, 10 hz, 15 hz, or 20 hz. Something like that... I'm interested in what's out there for flash rates. I like the idea of LEDs with flasher circuits already in them. I hate soldering ICs in general. Guess I don't have a hell of a lot of patience. Thanks,",sci.electronics 1436,"Edgar Pearlstein asks (Fri 7 May 1993) whether the Supreme Court, or any other government authority, has attempted a legal definition of religion. The Universal Military Training and Service Act of 1958 exempted from the draft those whose ""religious training and belief"" was opposed to participation in war in any form. It defined ""R T & B"" as ""an individual's belief in a relation to a Supreme Being involving duties superior to those arising from any human relation, but [not including] essentially political, sociological, or philosophical views or a merely personal moral code."" In the 1965 case of UNITED STATES V. SEEGER, the Supreme Court broadened the definition so as not to restrict it to explicit We have concluded that Congress, in using the expression ""Supreme Being"" rather than the designation ""God,"" .... the test of belief ""in a relation to a Superme Being"" is whether a given belief that is sincere and meaningful occupies a place in the life of its possessor parallel to that filled by the orthodox belief in God of one who clearly qualifies for the exemption. Where such beliefs have parallel positions in the lives of their respective holders we cannot say that one is ""in a relation to a Supreme Being"" and the other is not...."" My immediate reference is THE FIRST FREEDOM, by Nat Hentoff, (Delacorte 1980, Dell 1981).",soc.religion.christian 1437,"A bunch of things i have too many of : chips : type new/pull price desc AD1856 N $3.50 16 bit serial D/A converter smt like PCM56 TMS32020GBL P $12.00 TI DSP chip MC68020RC25 P $12.00 Make your own Mac ???? Z08613/08STD N $12.00 Piggyback emulator for Z8 family D77P20 P $12.00 NEC's EPROM version DSP chip MK38P73 P $25.00 you gotta really want 'em ! LM213 N $30.00 Hitachi 256*64 bitmapped display lots of others including 22V10, C22V10, 16L8,16R8 other stuff includes : Cipher tape drives $10.00 Data I/O device programmer $60.00 dont go ! Apple Laserwriter $550.00 a beauty-only 8k page Mac 800k int drives $40.00",misc.forsale 1438," Poor 'Poly'. I see you're preparing the groundwork for yet another retreat from your 'Arromdian-ASALA/SDPA/ARF' claims. Just love it. If that does ever happen, look out the window and see if there is a non-fascist/Nazi x-Soviet Armenian Government in the East. By the way, your ignorance on the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people is hardly characteristic of most 'Arromdians'. Source: K. S. Papazian, ""Patriotism Perverted,"" Baikar Press, Boston, 1934. pp. 17-18. ""It seems that terrorism against their own co-nationals has been a prominent part of the revolutionary activities of the Dashnag leaders of the Caucasus. Organized to fight the Turks, these chieftains have been more successful in their fight against their Armenian opponents in Turkey, and the Caucasus, very often defenseless and innocent."" p. 38. ""The fact remains, however, that the leaders of the Turkish Armenian section of the Dashnagtzoutune did not carry out their promise of loyalty to the Turkish cause when the Turks entered the war...and a call was sent for Armenian volunteers to fight the Turks on the Caucasian front."" p. 38. ""Thousands of Armenians from all over the world, flocked to the standards of such famous fighters as Antranik, Kery, Dro, etc. The Armenian volunteer regiments rendered valuable service to the Russian Army in the years of 1914-15-16."" Got a map? Got a minute? Source #1: McCarthy, J., ""Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman Anatolia and the End of the Empire,"" New York University Press, New York, 1983, pp. 133-144. Source #2: Hovannisian, Richard G., ""Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. Now where is your non-existent list of scholars and publicly available scholarly sources; here is mine. What an 'Arromdian'... SOME OF THE REFERENCES FROM EMINENT AUTHORS IN THE FIELD OF MIDDLE-EASTERN HISTORY AND EYEWITNESSES OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 2.5 MILLION MUSLIMS 1. ""The Armenian Revolutionary Movement"" by Louise Nalbandian, University of California Press, Berkeley, Los Angeles, 1975 2. ""Diplomacy of Imperialism 1890-1902"" by William I. Lenger, Professor of History, Harward University, Boston, Alfred A. Knopt, New York, 1951 3. ""Turkey in Europe"" by Sir Charles Elliot, Edward & Arnold, London, 1900 4. ""The Chatnam House Version and Other Middle-Eastern Studies"" by Elie Kedouri, Praeger Publishers, New York, Washington, 1972 5. ""The Rising Crescent"" by Ernest Jackh, Farrar & Reinhart, Inc., New York & Toronto, 1944 6. ""Spiritual and Political Evolutions in Islam"" by Felix Valyi, Mogan, Paul, Trench & Truebner & Co., London, 1925 7. ""The Struggle for Power in Moslem Asia"" by E. Alexander Powell, The Century Co., New York, London, 1924 8. ""Struggle for Transcaucasia"" by Feruz Kazemzadeh, Yale University Press, New Haven, Conn., 1951 9. ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey"" (2 volumes) by Stanford J. Shaw, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York, Melbourne, 1977 10.""The Western Question in Greece and Turkey"" by Arnold J. Toynbee, Constable & Co., Ltd., London, Bombay & Sydney, 1922 11.""The Caliph's Last Heritage"" by Sir Mark Sykes, Macmillan & Co., London, 1915 12.""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard A. Hartill, Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 1928 13.""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-22"" by A. Rawlinson, Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925 14.""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn, Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952 15.""From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne"" by Avetis Aharonian, The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17 (Spring 1964) 16.""Armenia on the Road to Independence"" by Richard G. Hovanessian, University of California Press, Berkeley, California, 1967 17.""The Rebirth of Turkey"" by Clair Price, Thomas Seltzer, New York, 1923 18.""Caucasian Battlefields"" by W. B. Allen & Paul Muratoff, Cambridge, 1953 19.""Partition of Turkey"" by Harry N. Howard, H. Fertig, New York, 1966 20.""The King-Crane Commission"" by Harry N. Howard, Beirut, 1963 21.""United States Policy and Partition of Turkey"" by Laurence Evans, John Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, 1965 22.""British Documents Related to Turkish War of Independence"" by Gothard Jaeschke 1. Neside Kerem Demir, ""Bir Sehid Anasina Tarihin Soyledikleri: Turkiye'nin Ermeni Meselesi,"" Hulbe Basim ve Yayin T.A.S., Ankara, 1982. (Ingilizce Birinci Baski: 1980, ""The Armenian Question in Turkey"") 2. Veysel Eroglu, ""Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 1978. 3. A. Alper Gazigiray, ""Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari,"" Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982. 4. Dr. Kirzioglu M. Fahrettin, ""Kars Ili ve Cevresinde Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Kardes Matbaasi, Ankara, 1970. T.C. Basbakanlik Osmanli Arsivi, Babiali, Istanbul: a) Yildiz Esas Evraki b) Yildiz Perakende c) Irade Defterleri d) Cemaat-i Gayr-i Muslime Defterleri e) Meclisi Vukela Mazbatalari f) Dahiliye Nezareti, Kalem-i Mahsus Dosyalari g) Dahiliye Nezareti, Sifre Defterleri h) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Siyasi Kartonlar i) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Muhimme Kartonlari T.C. Disisleri Bakanligi, Hazine-i Evrak, Defterdarlik a) Harb-i Umumi b) Muteferrik Kartonlar British Archives: a) Parliamentary Papers (Hansard): Commons/Lords b) Foreign Office: Confidential Print: Various Collections c) Foreign Office: 424/239-253: Turkey: Correspondence - Annual Reports d) Foreign Office: 608 e) Foreign Office: 371, Political Intelligence: General Correspondence f) Foreign Office: 800/240, Ryan Papers g) Foreign Office: 800/151, Curzon Papers h) Foreign Office: 839: The Eastern Conference: Lausanne. 53 files India Office Records and Library, Blackfriars Road, London. a) L/Political and Security/10/851-855 (five boxes), ""Turkey: Treaty of Peace: 1918-1923"" b) L/P & S/10/1031, ""Near East: Turkey and Greece: Lausanne Conference, 1921-1923"" c) L/P & S/11/154 d) L/P & S/11/1031 French Archives Archives du ministere des Affaires entrangeres, Quai d'Orsay, Paris. a) Documents Diplomatiques: Affaires Armeniens: 1895-1914 Collections b) Guerre: 1914-1918: Turquie: Legion d'Orient. c) Levant, 1918-1929: Armenie. 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(Osmanli Devleti, Dahiliye Nezareti); ""Aspirations et Agissements Revolutionnaires des Comites Armeniens avant et apres la proclamation de la Constitution Ottomane,"" (Istanbul, 1917). ----; ""Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal ve Hareket-i Ihtilaliyesi: Ilan-i Mesrutiyetten Evvel ve Sonra,"" (Istanbul, 1916). ----; ""Idare-i Umumiye ve Vilayet Kanunu,"" (Istanbul, 1913). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. I (Istanbul, 1914). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. II (Istanbul, 1915). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. III (Istanbul, 1916). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. IV (Istanbul, 1917). (Osmanli Devleti, Hariciye Nezareti); ""Imtiyazat-i Ecnebiyye'nin Lagvindan Dolayi Memurine Teblig Olunacak Talimatname,"" (Istanbul, 1915). (Osmanli Devleti, Harbiye Nezareti); ""Islam Ahalinin Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; (IV. 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Akgun, S.; ""General Harbord'un Anadolu Gezisi ve (Ermeni Meselesi'ne Dair) Raporu: Kurtulus Savasi Baslangicinda,"" (Istanbul, 1981). Akin, I.; ""Turk Devrim Tarihi,"" (Istanbul, 1983). Aksin, S.; ""Jon Turkler ve Ittihad ve Terakki,"" (Istanbul, 1976). Basar, Z. (ed.);""Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz,"" (Ankara, 1974). ----; ""Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler - Derlemeler,"" (Ankara, 1978). Belen, F.; ""Birinci Dunya Harbinde Turk Harbi,"" (Ankara, 1964). Deliorman, A.; ""Turklere Karsi Ermeni Komitecileri,"" (Istanbul, 1980). Ege, N. N. (ed.); ""Prens Sabahaddin: Hayati ve Ilmi Mudafaalari,"" (Istanbul, 1977). Ercikan, A.; ""Ermenilerin Bizans ve Osmanli Imparatorluklarindaki Rolleri,"" (Ankara, 1949). Gurun, K.; 'Ermeni Sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir?', ""Turk Tarihinde Ermeniler Sempozyumu,"" (Izmir, 1983). Hocaoglu, M.; ""Arsiv Vesikalariyla Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve Ermeniler,"" (Istanbul, 1976). Karal, E. S.; ""Osmanli Tarihi,"" V. V (1983, 4th ed.); V. VI (1976, 2nd ed.); V. VII (1977, 2nd ed.); V. VIII (1983, 2nd ed.) Ankara. Kurat, Y. T.; ""Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Paylasilmasi,"" (Ankara, 1976). Orel, S./S. Yuca; ""Ermenilerce Talat Pasa'ya Atfedilen Telgraflarin Icyuzu,"" (Ankara, 1983). [Also in English translation.] Ahmad, F.; ""The Young Turks: The Committee of Union and Progress in Turkish Politics,"" (Oxford, 1969). During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated and systematic genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year homeland. The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian, Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche, Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa, Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many others. J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University. Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History, Princeton University. Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago. Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark. Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research Institute, University of Pennsylvania. Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies, University of Illinois. Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut. Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political Science, City University Graduate School, New York. John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History, University of Chicago. John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of California at Berkeley. Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University. Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University. Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University. Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts. Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota. Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville. Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon). Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky. Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland. James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan. .......so the list goes on and on and on..... Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 1439," Many cars sold here in Finland are *small* and *cheap* cars (at least when compared to other cars --- note that we have over 120 % car tax). And you couldn't expect a good auto mated to a 1.3 L engine?",rec.autos 1440," OK. And you regularly ride your bike to within 2% of it's maximum capability? (Note any idiot can go flat out on a bike - most of them do.) Anyway, efficient at what? A shaft drive is a much more efficient solid (erect) lump of metal than a floppy (flaccid, unsatisfying) chain.",rec.motorcycles 1441,"I recall that Ehman 'died'... Can anyone suggest what the problem is when the picture jumps about an inch any direction? Two page monchrome monitor connected to Newlife accelerator and video board in an SE... At the end of the work day, several hours with power on, the picture will occasionally jitter a couple of times and then remain calm for a few minutes. Then it does more shaking... The environment around the computer appears to be stable. Nothing newly introduced near the computer. Any ideas? Please e-mail to carsona@sfu.ca or reply here. Also... Has anyone used Ehman two page with Powerbook video? What was required? Just a cable adapter? Thanks for any help! Dale carsona@sfu.ca",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1442,"If some kind person has access to a mathematical package such as Mathematica, Maple,... I would like to ask you for the solution to the following problem. I sometimes have algebra problems like this where I would like a simplified symbolic solution. Is there a FTP-able package out there that can handle such beasts? I would like to solve the following ray - Bezier patch intersection for the scalar constant t in: P + t * V = Q(u,w) (origin point in 3D) (dir vector 3D) in terms of only: P V P and various scalars (origin) , (dir 3D) , (i,j) 0 <= i,j <= 3 where: T Q(u,w) = [U] [N] [B] [M] [W] n n-1 n-2 n-3 [U] = [ u u u u .... u 1 ] ( 0.0 <= u <= 1.0 ) 3 2 = [ u u u 1 ] ( in my particular case ) n n-1 n-2 n-3 T [W] = [ w w w w .... w 1 ] ( 0.0 <= w <= 1.0 ) 3 2 T = [ w w w 1 ] ( in my particular case ) T [ N ] = [ M ] = | -1 3 -3 1 | ( for my particular case ) | 3 -6 3 0 | | -3 3 0 0 | | 1 0 0 0 | [ B ] = | P P P P | (control points in 3D space) | (0,0) (0,1) (0,2) (0,3) | | | | P P P P | | (1,0) (1,1) (1,2) (1,3) | | | | P P P P | | (2,0) (2,1) (2,2) (2,3) | | | | P P P P | | (3,0) (3,1) (3,2) (3,3) | Thanx,",comp.graphics 1443,"What is the actual clock speed of a Centris 610? 20 MHZ or 25 MHZ Thanks in advance... ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1444," There is one point I'd like to make, that most people seem to have forgotten. That is that one of the underlining principles in the Constitution is a DISTRUST of governmental authority and control. All those ""checks & balances"" is because they realize that you should distrust those in power. What everyone seems to have forgotten as well is the original reason that the Bill of Rights guaranteed the right to bear arms. It's inclusion was not to allow you to protect yourself against other citizens, but to prevent the government from taking away your only means of protecting yourself from an armed and aggressive government. Its hard to oppress your citizenry when its armed against you. I am not a fanatic, I'm a retired Naval officer. Because I have spent so much time defending it, perhaps I understand its ""purpose"" as well as its ""plan"".",sci.crypt 1445," I can't believe sh*t like this gets any attention in this group during the playoffs. Ali,you're a blabbering moron. At least you could've waited 'till the end of the playoffs to start your dumb letter campaign.",rec.sport.hockey 1446," Sounds to me like you'd want a star for the ground plane. ",sci.space 1447," You've got it. What you regard as a right, someone else will regard as a privilege. Followups to some generic ethics and morality newsgroup ....",sci.space 1448,"Hi Does anyone know of a direct way to print an image of an .xbm file. Please reply directly and I'll post a summary. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Any opinion presented here is my own, and does not reflect the policy of my employer, NASA, or the Ames Research Center. Roger Smith Sterling Software at NASA-Ames Research Center rsmith@proteus.arc.nasa.gov",comp.windows.x 1449," When did the BATF say this? Everything I've seen from the BATF, from the official version to the dissident statements of BATF officers who conducted the raid claims that the Davidians were shooting at the agents long before they were within grenade range. Also, if the warrant is sealed, how do we know it was a 'no-knock'? _____ _____ \\\\\\/ ___/___________________ Mitchell S Todd \\\\/ / _____/__________________________ ________________ \\/ / mst4298@zeus._____/.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'_'_'_/ \_____ \__ / / tamu.edu _____/.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'_'_/ \__________\__ / / _____/_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_/ \_ / /__________/ \/____/\\\\\\ \\\\\\",talk.politics.misc 1450,,None 1451,": : It would seem that a society with a ""failed"" government would be an ideal : setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented. Now why do you suppose : that never seems to occur?... Advances in freedom have been made in the past. The ""divine right of king"" concept was questioned at one time and may have used the same argument, that it hadn't come about before. But our ancestors had the courage to throw off the old system that said that one man ruling many was necessary to have a decent, wholesome society. In the 1800s the concept of slavery was questioned. Our ancestors had the courage to question a practice that had existed for thousands of years. Was the idea that one man owning another necessary to have a decent, wholesome society? Now libertarians question the necessity of majoritarianism. Is it necessary that many people rule over many others to have a decent, wholesome society?",talk.politics.misc 1452,"Hello there, I am looking for Sim City for PC (new/used). Please make your offer to cchu@udel.edu. Thanks ! ",misc.forsale 1453," How can you be sure the two visitors were really government agents? :-) --John",sci.crypt 1454,"I was reading a review of the Centris 610 in this months MacWorld and the reviewer said that for $4 you could make an adjustment on the clock speed of the chip and change it from 20mhz to 25mhz. I haven't heard of this before, and I don't think that this is the 040 chip replacement (with fpu) that I have seen so much talk about. Anyone have any ideas? cwera@du.edu ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1455,"The AIAA San Gabriel Valley Section is sponsoring the following lecture on Mars exploration at the Jet Propulsion Lab. Admission is free and open to the public. The Next Frontier: The Challenge of Mars Exploration DATE: May 6, 1993 TIME: 6:00PM - 8:30 PM LOCATION: Von Karman Auditorium Jet Propulsion Lab 4800 Oak Grove Drive Pasadena, California The following five speakers will be featured: A Science Fiction Perspective Tom McDonaugh Science Fiction Writer Mars Observer Dr. Arden Albee Project Scientist, Mars Observer - JPL Mars '94 Dr. Arthur L. Lane Instrument Manager, Mars '94 - JPL Mars Environmental Survey (MESUR) Richard Cook Mission Designer - JPL Manned Mission to Mars Dr. Robert Zubrin Senior Engineer, Martin Marietta Astronautics",sci.space 1456," : Now for those who have read this far - : Why did it rev at idle like that? Is water in the fuel an : acceptable reaason or were they having me on? Sound like the pilot circuit was say lean/clogged. I don't think water would cause a problem like this, but? : Apparently the oil pump is doing its job, and there was plenty : of oil. Why did it seize? See above. Were you by chance coasting when it stuck? On a two stroke you only have (substantial) lubrication when you are giving the bike gas. If it was lean on the pilot, that's why it stuck. : Oh, BTW - THe motor had been rebuilt just before I left Adelaide, so had : done about 1600 miles when it blew. It was rebuilt because it had been : seized at some time before we got it, and it looked like that seizure : had happened at low mileage, because there were still hone marks in the : bore. : The rebuild we did consisted of a total tear down, new piston, rings, : small end bearing, and new gearbox bearings. Big end and rod judged : OK. : Any ideas folks? You mentioned an aftermarket carb? (I deleted the text) Looks like (to me) that's where your problem is. : Zebee Johnstone DoD #605 | You don't own an Italian motorcycle ",rec.motorcycles 1457,"Hi, Does anyone know where I can get the developer notes for the new Mac models (like IIvx, LC III, Centris)? Thank's for any information. Please reply by email.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1458,"""The Forever War"", one of my favorite SciFi books, had a passage devoted to breathing fluids. The idea was to protect people from the high accelerations required for interstellar travel by emersing the passengers in dry-cleaning fluid saturated with oxygen. Plenty of very imaginative ideas is this book. I would certainly recommend it (won the Hugo and the Nebula awards).",sci.space 1459,"I would like to sell my camcorder. I havent used it much and I need the money. Panasonic PV-17 VHS-C Palmcorder -High Speed Shutter -Flying Erasr Head -8:1 Power Zoom -Digital Autp Tracking -Audio/Video Dubbing -Auto Tracking -Digital Automatic Focus -Book Mark Search -Record Review -Automatic White Balance -CCD Image Sensor -HQ System Includes: -Rechargeable battery -Battery charger -VHS PlayPak adapter -4 Compact video cassettes -All original docs, cables, box, etc. I got it new in Sept. '92 and used it a total of about 20-25 times. The battery has been charged less than 5 times. This thing is in brand-new condition. I am asking $550. Make me an offer.",misc.forsale 1460,"I heard the other day that Rush has gotten together with Tammy Faye Baker. They were crawling in bed the other night and Rush's feet brushed up against Tammy's legs. ""God! your feet are cold"" she said. Rush looked back at here and said, ""Tammy honey, I told you when we're alone you can just call me Rush."" Ba dump Bump! pishhhhh",talk.politics.misc 1461,"Found this in soc.culture.pakistan Might be of interest..... am posting it without the permission of the original poster. Hope he/she doesnt mind. By Lance Gay, Scripps-Howard News Service SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina -- In this land of historic hatreds, a tiny Jewish community is braving Serbian shells to repay a 50-year-old debt to Muslims who saved Jews from the Holocaust. Ivica Ceresnjes, president of the Jewish Community of Sarajevo, says he and about 1,000 other Jews chose to remain in Sarajevo, rather than leave for Israel, to keep a feeding center in the medieval old town district running. Ceresnjes said that was partly in gratitude to the Muslims who hid Jews during the Nazi occupation and partly to keep intact the centuries-old presence of Jews living in Sarajevo. ``Some with guns are defending Bosnia, but I fight in Bosnia by keeping people alive,'' Ceresnjes said. As a student of Balkan history, Ceresnjes said he saw this war coming and had ready plans to evacuate children and the elderly. A year before the war erupted here last April, Ceresnjes said the Jewish center began stockpiling supplies, ensuring everyone had passports and arranging for places in Israel and Europe for the evacuees. They were so well prepared, he said, that only five days after the shooting began the first plane left. Of about 2,000 Jews in Bosnia- Herzegovina, he estimates half have left. Many of those who stayed behind work in Sarajevo's downtown synagogue, which has been turned into a wartime feeding center that has so far given away 380,000 meals. The center, which has been shelled several times along with most of Sarajevo, also runs a radio station, mail center and distributes food packages sent by Jewish organizations around the world. While Muslims and Jews are fighting each other in the Mideast, Jews here say there's a long tradition of cooperation, inter-marriage and tolerance between the two communities in Sarajevo that goes back to centuries of Turkish occupation. Sarajevo's Jews trace their ancestry back to their expulsion from Roman Catholic Spain in 1492. The community numbered more than 14,000 before World War II. But only 10% survived the Holocaust -- which was carried out by the pro-Nazi Croatian Ustache in Yugoslavia. Many of the survivors were hidden by Muslim families in Mostar. -- Sharon Machlis Gartenberg Framingham, MA USA e-mail: sharon@world.std.com ---------------------------------------- Zafar. ",talk.politics.mideast 1462," Or just use the URT tool: rastorle. Yes, both it and the newer xli can.",comp.graphics 1463," Yeah, maybe that is more likely. But from the Mariners-Tigers series, it seems like every time there are base runners, the pitchers seem to purposely pitch around him or give him a free pass. The funny thing was that Griffey was struggling up until the last game of the four game series if I remember correctly. - Chung Yang",rec.sport.baseball 1464,"If anyone would like to get rid of their SegaCD for software please get in touch. Ive got loads of SNES and Genesis/MegaDrive software Id like to trade for a SegaCD or even partially (i.e. Ill also pay some $). Let me know if you are interested. Cheers Jonathan ",misc.forsale 1465,"used after Nanao's so I contrast is SS2 color as good, running across. as well way the 5FG I believe PC mag said 5FGE can't do 1280x1024. tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1466," No one has mentioned violence other than you, Mr. Han. I believe you are imagining things. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com",None 1467," >>You should face the facts. Love Canal was not, and is not, an >>environmental disaster, nor even a problem. >> >>Nor is Times Beach and TMI and acid rain killing trees and >>.... >> >Not a problem? Would you move to Three Mile Island? I would >imagine there is some cheap property available! No, because I don't like the weather back East. However, it would bother me not one bit to live in an equivalent area here. By the way, do you KNOW what the extra exposure to radiation from TMI was? >The naturally occurring catastrophic events [disasters] that >destroy property (ie: hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes) do >not usually leave toxic wastes that prevent people from >re-building their lives there. The man-made disasters (oil >spills, toxic dumping, radioactive waste dispersions) cause >death and make an area unliveable far beyond the initial >event. O.K., in the U.S., tell me about some of these deaths and some of these unliveable areas. Oh, and if you manage to find some of these unliveable areas, tell me what percentage of the total US land area they are. (Hint - the total waste produced by all nuclear reactors in the US can be safely stored in the area of three footbal fields.) -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh?",talk.politics.misc 1468,"ctwomey@vms.eurokom.ie (Colum Twomey) comments: Casady & Greene seems to be notoriously slow about responding, as I've heard from others who have contacted them. They may not reply via fax, but via snail mail. Give them time, or contact them again. Rhia ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1469,"My son is considering the purchase of a 71 MGB, which has been substantially restored. The odometer has rolled over, but we can't be sure of the actual mileage. The engine and drive train apparently weren't touched in the restoration, except for a new carb and a few hoses. He plans to do vacuum and compression checks to see what they might tell us about the engine. The body and undercarriage have no visible rust, the interior is new, as are tires, front brakes (not sure about the back), battery, bumpers and other misc parts. The paint is checked in a few places, and scuffed here and there, allegedly by a wind-blown car cover. It seemed to handle OK, except for soft front shocks. Questions: Are there problem areas common to MGBs we should check out? The brakes seem soft and rather ineffective; what should we expect in the way of braking action? It seemed to be ""doggy"" when accelerating from a stop. What should we expect it to do, given the 4-cylinder engine? The top is in place, but will not reach a number of the snaps. The weather was cold. Should the vinyl stretch and fit when it warms up, or is it forever shrunk? Is it normal for the wire wheels to be painted, or are they usually chromed? Given this rather limited description, what would be a reasonable price? Gee, this turned out to be a little long--sorry. While my brother once owned an XK120 Jag (what a car!) we're obviously not into sports cars. Any help with these questions, or suggestions on other things to investigate would surely be appreciated.",rec.autos 1470," They are and they have. David ",None 1471," Yes. There are many methods of rendering, raytracing is one of them. You didn't say what you mean by rendering, so I won't guess. Methods of rendering include: o Pencil and graph paper, doing the math by hand o Wireframe rendering of the 2D projection o Hidden line rendering o Scanline rendering using: - Painter's algorithm. - BSP trees. - Z buffer - Other o Raytracing o Radiosity o Holographic projection to film o Combination of any of the above",comp.graphics 1472," Direction-finding and directional monitoring receivers. Can you say ""little black bakery truck""? :-) David ",sci.crypt 1473,"The Babe and The Pride of the Yankees offer very different renditions of the sotry about Ruth and Gherig hitting home runs for the boy in the hospital. Can some historian out there explain ""history's"" version of the story. I wouldn't put is past either (or both) of the movies to season the truth with a little extra spice. Any other comments as to inaccuracies in these two movies? ------------------------------ Eric A. W. Behrens behrens@cc.swarthmore.edu ""I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to keep playing baseball."" ",rec.sport.baseball 1474,"For sale : Red Honda Scooter (150cc) Need m/c license Max speed - 63 mph Gas mileage - 74 mpg Max wt - 250 lbs Odo. reading - 3000 miles - it has only been out of the factory for 3 years - very low mileage Original Owner - all paperwork available Very thorough tune-ups quarterly Year - 1986 Body - Not a scratch, garaged and covered always Cover and 2 helmets included Good for student or light commuter or for fun :) $1300 or best offer e-mail or call in evenings Susan Hodapp (919)833-8431",misc.forsale 1475,"This sounds like a good question, the hardware is specific to him, but in general please respond to him via news and not e-mail. There probably are alot of people wanting to read the replies, including myself. mike packard@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1476,"*** On 04-20-93 21:25, Larry Henson had the unmitigated gall to say this: LH> Hello, I am trying to hook an Apple Imagewriter to my IBM Clone. LH> I seem to have a problem configuring my lpt port to accept this. How LH> can you adjust baud, parity, etc. to fit the system? I tried MODE, but LH> it did not work. If anyone can help, post of e-mail. Thanx. LPT ports don't recognize baud, parity, etc. settings. You might be tring to connect a serial printer to a parallel port. Try this: attach the serial port of the printer to a serial port on the PC. Use the mode command to set the COM port settings. Try C>MODE COM1,9600,N,8,1 to set the port parameters. Then use the MODE command to redirect the printer port LPT1 like this: C>MODE LPT1=COM1 This should work. Good luck! ... Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1477,": The real question here in my opinion is what Motorola processors running system : 7 on a MAC are comparable to what Intel processors running Windows on a PC? I [stuff deleted] : -David -- Even better than that... how does a 68000-based Amiga 2000 perform in daily tasks compared to my 68030-based IIci. Answer, except in a very few cases, I get my butt kicked by the Amiga. Sure there are other considerations, but it goes to show you how proper design from the beginning (in hardware and software) can give you great returns. [as well as showing you that if you don't have a marketing department to speak of, no one will care how good your system is] I'm still happy with my ci, but I don't understand why the performance is so bad (comparatively). They could have done multi-tasking _properly_. They could have done everthing else better -- but apple didn't. (of course DOS 6 and windows 3.1 are nothin to write home about either!!) Oh well, y'all got $2.00 worth for the price of $0.02 ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= Peter Pundy Email: 2545500@jeff-lab.queensu.ca",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1478," What if we remove one zeron and make it ""the genocide of two hundred thousands Muslims in Bosnia.."", would that make it any better..? And how about the 2,000,000 Muslims who were driven and continue to be driven out of their homes..? is that ""utterly ridiculous claim""? And how about the rapes (over 60,000 women) and the concentration camps..? The us delegation which visited them reported yesterday on CNN that the serbs are giving the muslims detainees 4 biscuits and a cup of water a day..!!?? That sure also sounds like an ""utterly ridiculous claim"".! ",talk.politics.mideast 1479," Well, we're not. Which goes to prove you still don't understand what we're saying here. I've lived through the bombing of Cambodia; My Lai; inflated body counts in VietNam; the funding of Noreiga; Watergate; Contragate; Chappaquiddick; Kent State; domestic spying by the CIA; Edwin Meese's Pornography Commission; the War on Drugs; civil seizure; the MOVE disaster; the LA disaster; and now Waco. Do you really believe that government always does what is right? Watch the news for the next couple of months. Watch how this whole government-initiated debacle turns into shouting for ""more gun control."" It's already started. -- ",talk.politics.guns 1480," Sorry, but I'd have to differ. The Canadian-bashing wrt to the health insurance system is largely with little evidence or prompting. Having kept up with this debate on the net for some months, just about all the criticism of the Canadian system has misquoted or misinterpreted even the anti-Canadian propaganda put out by the American insurance industry and the AMA. In a few cases, such as Mr. Case, the critiques are well-reasoned and worthy of response. Most others are misinformed, illogical, or just plain dumb. I don't think the same can be said of the ""American proponents"" of the Canadian system, much less of the Canadian proponents. jsh",talk.politics.misc 1481," I've tried it, and so has one friend of mine. No known side effects or risks. It didn't seem to work for us, but several studies now have suggested it does work for many people, so I think it's worth a try. You can find it in capsule form at health food stores. Up to six capsules a day was recommended, if I remember correctly. It can also be prepared as a tea. Good luck,",sci.med 1482," I know that ""must"" is a verb in some languages. I'm complaining about the assertion containing the word must.",alt.atheism 1483," In Massachusetts, you will likely be arrested for murder, but if you convince the cops/DA that you used lethal force because of threat of death or serious bodily harm, then the charges would probably be dropped. If you run away and are later caught, then you will have a much harder time convincing cops/judge/jury of your innocence. Going ""on the lam"" is seen as an indication of guilt by a lot of people. ",talk.politics.guns 1484,"Mike Schmidt's 500th: Not only a milestone, but also a 9th inning game- winner. -John ",rec.sport.baseball 1485," Recently, I heard the Red Sox on WROL a Spanish-speaking radio station. I thought it was so unreal. The Red Sox in Spanish? Anyway, I want to find out how widespread this is? Being a NY native, I know the scMets are on in Spanish but not the Yankmes. I wuold think that LA,SD,Texas and Fla are on in Spanish. Are there any Spanish-speaking networks or is this a local ",rec.sport.baseball 1486,": Actually I am entering vet school next year, but the question is : relevant for med students too. : Memorizing large amounts has never been my strong point academically. : Since this is a major portion of medical education -- anatomy, : histology, pathology, pharmacology, are for the most part mass : memorization -- I am a little concerned. As I am sure most : med students are. : Can anyone suggest techniques for this type of memorization? I : have had reasonable success with nemonics and memory tricks like : thinking up little stories to associate unrelated things. But I have : never applied them to large amounts of ""data"". : Has anyone had luck with any particular books, memory systems, or : cheap software? : Can you suggest any helpful organizational techniques? Being an : older student who returned to school this year, organization (another : one of my weak points) has been a major help to my success. : Please no griping about how all you have to do is ""learn"" the material : conceptually. I have no problem with that, it is one of my strong : points. But you can't get around the fact that much of medicine is : rote memorization. : Thanks for your help. The only suggestion i can think of off the top of my head is get a large supply of index cards and memorize small amounts of info at a time, making flash cards and quesitons. Everytime i get a question wrong I always manage to get the damn thing right the next time ",sci.med 1487,"FOR SALE: AT&T Dataport Internal 14.4K Fax/Modem The modem is an internal AT/(E)ISA 8-bit card (just a little longer than a half-card). It has v.32bis for 14.4Kbps data / 9600 bps fax, v.42, v.42bis, and MNP5 for error-correction and data compression, so you can get error-free links up to 57,600 bps on a conventional phone line. They will ""fall back"" to any speed (down to 1200bps) and even disable compression and error-correction if necessary in order to connect with slower and older modems. It has a 16550 buffered UART for better compatibility with multi-tasking operating systems (Windows, OS/2, Unix, etc). They use a patented technology called Optical Line Interface (OLI) which reduces noise generated by the modem to assure the fastest and cleanest connection possible. These modems come with a lifetime warranty and free lifetime tech support (and the call is free, too) from AT&T. They also include the lovely and talented QuickLink II for DOS and the NEW QuickLink II for Windows communications and fax software which will let you conveniently sent faxes from any DOS or Windows application just by printing. The Windows version will send faxes of any font and can include graphics, etc. The DOS version can fax graphics and a limited set of fonts (I believe that there are 5 or so, as well as any HP Laser II resident fonts). I'm asking $210.00 for this modem (plus Utah tax). This is at or below the prices of any other (reputable) manufacturer of an equivalent modem (including Zoom, US Robotics, etc). And, it is backed by a company that will never go away. This price will include delivery if you live within 20 miles of downtown SLC. I can also arrange shipping, or you can stop by my home to pick it up. (If you're concerned about installing an internal modem, let me know and we can discuss an arrangement for including installation.) If you're interested, please let me know. This is an excellent modem at an excellent price (they normally list for ~$500 and retail for about ~$300). I installed one of these last week and it is very nice. If you have questions about this, AT&T has an info number at (800) 554-4996, or you can email me and I will attemp to answer them. The modem will go to the highest bidder I get within the next week.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1488," (sic) Oh, you're really bright. As if nobody would have understood it was a typo. Several parents with children who either had at one time or currently were inside the compound made the aforementioned charges. One parent actually spoke about said charges (in reference to his 13-year old daughter) WITH Koresh on the phone. You missed my point entirely. Since you're unable to formulate a cogent response, you make a lame joke. Anti-social. Normally meaning a response against societal norms. Stealing is sociopathic behavior. It's not an oxymoron to have a GROUP of SOCIOPATHS. I guess you're NOT a psychologist. Oh well... Maybe YOU should get an education, my man. Why won't some assholes use a sig so I can send them mail instead of wasting bandwidth? ",talk.politics.guns 1489," That probably is not true. But today it may not be much better for the gay population in general. Where are all of these studies? You have cited a few, and my research shows that there are not that many. Do Not Confuse a survey as a study, there is a big difference. Asking people outside of a polling booth and adding up numbers is NOT a study. But this is what you base most of your conclusion upon. Warm fuzzy feelings. Maybe he has stated an educated opinion based upon the studies that involve genetics and psychological influence. There are a lot of those types of studies, aren't there? Try reading some. This is a crap statement and comparison. Many people use this sad and stupid argument. There is not relationship between alcoholics and people's sexual orientation- except that some may find what it really is when they are drunk (repressed inhibition released). Nonsense- this simply is not true. I suppose it is a waste of time to try and tell you to understand what a study presents. Most of what you cite does not extrapolate anything, you do. If people in general would stop using irrational position to oppress other's and leave our private lives to ourselves, I would have no support for laws and rules to protect people form this. But we need only look at post such as yours to see that they lack rational thought and intelligent outlooks. ",talk.politics.misc 1490," what is the likely hood of conception if sperm is deposited just outside the vagina? ie. __% chance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",sci.med 1491,"From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com There are many indications that would have taken place had Saddam been wanting or planning on going into Saudi Arabia. There were none. This has been openly stated by ex-Pentagon analysts. Pull. From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com Actually, reports from other mid-east countries showed that Hussein was ready to make concessions due to the sanctions. We just didn't want him to - we wanted to crush him, as well as battle-test all these high tech toys we've built over the years. From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com We're also hypocrites of the first magnitude. Obviously, we don't give a shit about freedom and democracy. All we care about is our oil. Oh, and the excuse, now that the Soviets are gone from the board, to keep a sizable military presence in the gulf region. Care to make bets about when ALL our troops will come home? Basically, Saddam was OK with us. He was a killer, who tortured his own people, used gas on them, and other horrors - he was a brutal dictator, but he was OUR brutal dictator. Once he said ""fuck you"" to the US, he became the next Hitler. The same for Noriega. He was a bastard, but he was OUR bastard...until he changed his mind and went his own way. Then we had to get rid of him. David Hunt - Graduate Slave | My mind is my own. | Towards both a Mechanical Engineering | So are my ideas & opinions. | Palestinian and Carnegie Mellon University | <<>> | Jewish homeland! ====T=H=E=R=E===I=S===N=O===G=O=D=========T=H=E=R=E===I=S===N=O===G=O=D===== Email: bluelobster+@cmu.edu Working towards my ""Piled Higher and Deeper""",alt.atheism 1492,"The Duo's can drive Apple's 16"" monitor at 832x624 resolution and 256 colors, I think. What non-Apple 16-17"" monitors can also be used? Would a multisync NEC-5FG work as well at the same resolution? What are the outstanding points of the Apple monitor when compared with these other monitors?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1493,"HI, that might look like a dull request, but I have been following this newgroup for a couple of weeks and It didn't help me make my mind. I bought a new 486 machine not long ago after being disconnected from the pc world for a while (I have been running on an xt 5MHz till last january!!). The machine I bought came equipped with a ATI VGA XL 24 graphic card. It gives a very nice picture and the Windows drivers are pretty stable. The only problem is that it is quite slow. I would like to go for a faster card (not in the 400$ range). I saw a lot of comments on many products over the last weeks, but didn't get an overall picture clear enough to make a choice. My question is : Could somebody direct me to a source of information which would help me in my quest. I would like to get information about : - the refresh rates the various cards provide; - quality of windows drivers; - standard vga performance (non-Windows stuff). Direct me to a magazine article or something like that (I got winvid.zip info, but it is not enough). If you have an ISA card you are really satisfied with it, let me know. If this information is of any use, here is my system configuration: - Fujikama 486 33MHz ISA system (Contaq motherboard) - monitor DARIUS 14"" non-interlaced multisync (up to 1024X768) (can reach 70kHz horizontally) I would also like to know if it is a standard for video drivers to allow screen dimensioning and screen positioning by writing on the EPROM of the graphic card. This is the case with my ATI card and it is very convenient when changing graphics mode since my monitor is not intelligent enough to record settings. Merci a l'avance for any information you would be kind enough to provide me,",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1494,"********NOTE: FOLLOWUPS go to alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc,talk.origins! [deleted] If you say X statement and give it the authority of fact, I will respond by asking you why. You aren't obligated to say anything, but if your intent is to convince me that X statement is true, then yes, the burden of proof is upon you. If you are merely giving testimony to your beliefs, then you are an egotist. Why would I care? To surmise, the burden of proof is upon you if you wish us to believe that what you say is true.",talk.religion.misc 1495,"discussing the fact that there were only 16 players who had ever hit 200 homeruns and stolen 200 bases in their career (while HoJo was batting). Anyone have a list? Not as easy as it sounds to come up with all of them. I couldn't. Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Henderson, Morgan, Bonds (Dad), ??? Frank Robinson? Molitor? Yount? Guessing now. I'd be interested to see the whole list.",rec.sport.baseball 1496," Gee, I'd FORGOTTEN about THIS NUT. ",None 1497," This can be turned around. The Austrians who should feel guilty about their actions during WWII, but don't, justify their anti-semetism by making every Israeli action into an atrocity. The Austrians, Germans and other Europeans have extensive trading relations with the Arab block; being pro-Arab is good for business. I don't think that ethics has a thing to do about it.",talk.politics.mideast 1498,"What I'd like to see is the more generic N-dimensional widget set. I realize, that there wouldn't be a whole shitload of people who'd want more than 3, but why stop? All I need is a Widget with up to N viewports showing me different 3-D or 2-D slices of my stuff. alter, pat ",comp.graphics 1499,,None 1500,"## Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners.... # #Not surprising. Remember, that study includes homosexuals as well. Err, earth to Clayton, you posted this to show that 2% were homosexual. So if we assume EVERY homosexual was promiscious, that leads us to conclude that 23 percent of heterosexuals are promiscious. And that first assumtion is a bad one. Clayton, it *IS* suprising from the claims you are making. ",talk.politics.misc 1501,"I was one of the unfortunate people to run into this guy. I sent him $30 cash (Stupid, I know) for 4 CDs. That was the last I heard of him. I know there were some other people ripped off by this guy. Has there been any advances in tracking him down?",misc.forsale 1502,"The other week I saw a TV program about the american space industry and NASA. It said that in the 60's they developed a rocket that used ions or nuclear particles for propolsion. The government however, didn't give them $1billion for the developement of a full scale rocket. Did anybody see this program? If not, has anybody heard of the particle propolsion system? Thanx. 8-)",sci.space 1503," [stuff deleted] ^^^ I think you mean HCI here. [snip] Joe",None 1504," The April 1993 edition of MIX Magazine carries a story on 3DO which includes pictures of the unit, a schematic of what's inside and some indication from the people at 3DO as to where they intend to go and in what stages. (MIX is a trade rag aimed at the professional sound engineering community.) The schematic shows a central DMA Engine connecting and mediating between two Graphics Animation processors (32 bit bus), a 32-bit RISC processor with math co-processor, Video Decomp module, a control port, an expansion port (where 3DO hangs its double-fast CD player), 1Mb DRAM, an optional video port (for editing video) and on the outbound side 1MB VRAM to Video Processor to TV chain parallel with a DSP to sound chain. They promise Red Book CD-quality audio, full 30 fps video and a future connection path to your PC via a PC expansion card. I am not informed enough to have an opinion about the various means and methods discussed here. The article, written by Philip De Lancie, does cover the other machines mentioned in this thread. I come from the PC TCP/IP world and see a tremendous potential for bringing connectedness to the educated consumer; 3DO seems to have the right business partners to make this happen. Hope this helps.",comp.graphics 1505,"I have a SPARC-2 with 2 CGSIX cards in it. I'd like to have the R5 server recognize the second card. I mknod created a /dev/cgsix1 device, but when I brought up the server, the second device was ignored. How do I setup the second card? Note: If I borrow a cgthree card, and put a cgthree and a cgsix card in the same SPARC-2 box, the R5 server finds the second card. I then set the DISPLAY to the second card, and start a second window manager. Worse case is I trade cards with someone, but maybe someone out there has seen this problem already... email is preferred... post if you must... Thanks in advance.... Jim",comp.windows.x 1506,"I need info regarding a miniscribe 3.5"" half-height drive. There is a sticker on it with the following, MODEL HDA PCBA UNIQUE TDA 8425F 09AA 03AB 03AA - But the sticker on the biggest chip on the MFM interface has this, MODEL PCBA TDA FXX 03AB What is the spec of the drive (# of cyl, heads, etc)? How fast is this drive? Can I use it as a RLL drive? I also have a SCSI interface that seems to match all the connectors for this drive. It has this description, MODEL PCBA E-P TDA AXX 01A 29A Can I replace the MFM interface by the SCSI interface and use the drive as a SCSI drive? What would the drive size be? There is a set of jumpers on the SCSI interface with ""6SEL"" besides it. What is the use of it?",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1507," 1. Don't hold your finger on it 2. When cooking with it use a very small pan and be sure to not spill liquids on the components 3. If you do not plan to cook with it there are a number of small cooling fans designed to mount on the chip and plug into your power supply. Look in Consumer Shoppers.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1508," Can somebody send me a copy of this faq? Thanks alot!",None 1509,"Hi! We have an old Montage FR-1 35mm film recorder. When connected to a PC with its processor card it can directly take HPGL, Targa and Lasergraphics Language files. 24 bit Targa is quite OK for raster images, but conversion from whatever one happens to have can be quite slow. This Lasergraphics Language seems to be (got the source file for one test image) a vector-based language that can handle one million colors. It does some polygons too, and perhaps something else ? The question is, where can I find some information about this language ? A FTP site, a book, a company address,.... ? (OK, it would be nice to have a Windows driver for it, but I'm not THAT optimistic...) Thanks in advance for any help! jussi ",comp.graphics 1510," Even better. Make up pete conrad in a Martian Suit, and have him get ou;t and throw a football to the refs. ",sci.space 1511,"Hi there, I have a problem here, I've lost the software drivers and setup programs for my Hardcard. Can someone email me the files, or let me know if Plus Development (were they bought out by Quantum?) has a BBS or phone #? I have a Hardcard II XL50.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1512," The people involved in it have been building hardware rather than writing press releases. This is not a high-manpower project; they don't *have* spare people sitting around. As I understand it, there has also been some feeling on the part of some of the project management that publicity was not a good idea. A lot of people have been working on changing this view, with some success.",sci.space 1513,"Will someone who can 'see' the X-Face included in this header please reply and tell me if it turned out okay? I'm not all too sure about my viewing software. I *hand*-converted this thing in ""vi"" from a Sun rasterfile... what a pain! For folks who haven't the slightest, it went like this: ------------------------------------------------------------- How to Make Your Own X-Face: in 0x000F Easy Steps! 1. Scan my Drivers' License into a *.PCX file. 2. Use WinGIF to 'trim' my face out of the license, 'reduce' it by half, and convert it to *.BMP. 3. Use Paintbrush to touch up manually. 4. Use WinGIF to 'reduce' it by half again. 5. Use Paintbrush to touch up again. 6. Use WinGIF to 'reduce' it by half *again* and convert it to *.GIF. [now over to the UNIX side...] 7. Use Snapshot to convert the *.GIF to a Sun rasterfile. 8. Use IconEdit to touch it up and convert it to an X bitmap. 9. Use ""vi"" (yes, a *text* editor) to manually convert the rasterfile into the ""Uncompressed X-Face"" format. (Lots of global ""ed"" commands, and by the time you're done you'll mirror hex bytewise in your sleep!!) [now over to the *Linux* side...] A. Use ""compface"" to convert it to what you see here: %:A You: It gets more interesting. Romans called her Great Mother (Magna Mater), could be the reason why so many of those Mary statues in Europe are black, prob. IS connected to that Ka'aba they've got in Mecca, 3rd cent. AD She was supreme Goddess in Lyons, France . . . Attis was castrated and formed into a pine tree . . . she should be worshiped on 25 Mar . . . in Rome it was an ecstatic cult, her priests wore drag, worked themselves up in dance and castrated themselves in order to initiate to her, lived their lives as women. They wore make up and jewelry and the whole bit. Only other such primitive transsexualism I know of goes on in India (where else?) where they do that castration thing under some meditation maybe, I forget by now...there's a book on that.) Of course, that excepts that weird Russian / Romanian 18th cent. Xian cult that did all kinds of self-castration too, I forget their name. Response: I'd love to get details or references on any of the above. My own exploration of this issue has only extended to a brief examination of the Zuni 'berdache'. _The Zuni Man-Woman_, by Will Roscoe, University of New Mexico Press, 1991 probably has some interesting things to say about them. I've yet to procure it. Any details or references on: Ecstatic cults in Rome, India, Russia/Romania (Christian too?) which exhibit any type of transsexualism or transvestitism, male OR female (though I expect mostly the former will be found ;>). Thanks for your interesting posts, Charles. :> ",talk.religion.misc 1540,"Hi there, I'm looking for help on hi-rez CGA modes (hey, i know it sounds crazy but at the moment it's got to do). My card's manual says it does something like 640 by 400 2 colour and 640 by 200 4 colour (the card has 64k memory). Could anyone give me some help on how to implement these modes (Assembly language is fine). Any other usefull tips on the CGA regs will also help. Thanx in advance... Frans. My eMail is",comp.graphics 1541," It will be ironic in the extreme if Spector manages to uncover a government conspiracy and cover-up in this case. Maybe he'll posit a Magic Grenade that lit fires in three wings of the building at once. ",talk.politics.misc 1542," Heh, someone mentioned Tommy Soderstrom (Flyers) for the besk mask poll too (in the mentioned below part). All he has is a plain white helmet with a big cage. I found this pretty amusing. -John Santore Philadelphia Flyers in '93-'94! ============================================================================= ____________________ / \ ""We break the surface tension \_________ ____ \ with our wild kinetic dreams"" / / \ \ -Rush, Grand Designs \_______ / (*) ) ) / / /\___/ / Go Philadelphia Flyers! \_____ / / / / / \_______/ John Santore (jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu) \________/ ",rec.sport.hockey 1543," You don't, and never had to. That's what enhanced shells are for. Remember 4DOS and NDOS? I mean, come on, you can't expect DOS to cover everything from R1.0. Microsoft has other projects to work on. I don't think they deliberately crippled the project. On the other hand, it IS a technical achievement for what it does considering that it rides on top of DOS. I mean, you get a GUI with reasonable speed on a PC. With XWindows running on top of Linux or something similar you're still gonna need a fast processor. [Re: DOS's death] Except for the people who use DOS programs, which means about 75% or more of the business world.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1544,"Being a a BLUES fan I don't get to see much else from around the league with the exception of Hockey Night on ESPN. I can't get the BLUES games where I go to school, thus I don't get to see a whole lot of other teams play except for the Hawks. But last night I got to catch a glimpse of the Caps/Isles game. It occurred to me that Turgeon is a stud on skates. His moves are quick and brilliant. You NY fans should be proud. P.S. Who won the game (Caps/Isles)?",rec.sport.hockey 1545," Jason - I've heard the people who are talking about this dismissed as conspiracy nuts, but nobody seems to be talking about a conspiracy, at least at the beginning. There were a lot of bad decisions that went into this tragedy, and some people may now be taking some serious evasive action to avoid being held responsible for the unexpected results of those bad decisions. Actually, the only ones I see that are tied into a conspiracy theory are the ones raving about deranged cultists with stockpiles of weapons and suicide pacts. I think there are a lot of us that have been following this pretty closely from the beginning, and we woud probably agree that this tragedy was more the result of stupidity than malice. ",talk.politics.guns 1546,"I think a few things are being missed overall here... First of all, anyone with a DOS manual can copy a disk, or copy anything (hidden files dont go far if you are dealing with anyone who is not comletely DOS ignorant) off of a hard disk. 'Professional' crackers aren;t interested in copying disks. They are programmers who get some thrill out of going through unassembly listings of programs to disable copy protection such as serial number dialog boxes, volume label checks, and who knows what when it comes to computer games. Those people are in the minority, however. In my experience with the world of people and software, it seems that a good majority of people (say 80%) will at some point copy a friend's program (""Gee, you really oughta try this"") or accept a copy. These are people who normally would buy a software package or do without, but decided that just once it wouldn't matter. The last thing is people who own or are responsible for more than one computer; most people aren't going to spend $150 * X# of computers for the same software package.. they will just install it x# of times, especially things like DOS upgrades. ",sci.electronics 1547,"How about changing team names! Post your choices! Here I'll start: How about the Baltimore Baseblazers San Francisco Quakes",rec.sport.baseball 1548," Personally, I'll be blasphemous and say that if Microsoft keeps doing what it does so well, I hope to see much harsher/stricter copyright and patent laws for computer algorithms, concepts, interfaces, and other intellectual properties to protect real innovators. I'd hate to be one who actually does innovate, and then have Microsoft come in like a huge vulture and use their brute mass (development staff, marketing, etc) to get fat off of my innovation. I don't have all that much sympathy for Apple's complaint against Microsoft, since they just took the ideas from Xerox's PA Research Center when the Federal government forced Xerox to disclose their patents over antitrust fears. However, for other companies and individuals who have a great idea, yet get it ""borrowed"" by larger corporations who can afford to quickly bring it to market, without any licensing from the original innovator, I feel much sympathy. Larry",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1549,": I heard about the arms sale to Saudi Arabia. Now, how is it such a grave : mistake to sell Saudi Arabia weapons? Or are you claiming that we shouldn't : sell any weapons to other countries? Straightforward answer please. Saudi Arabia is an oppressive regime that has been recently interfering in the politcs of newly renunified Yemen, including assasinations and border incursions. It is entirely possible that they will soon invade. Unluckily for Yemen it is not popular in the West as they managed to put aside political differences during reunification and thus the West has effectively lost one half (North?) as a client state.",alt.atheism 1550," There was a guy around here who would do them on an early pre fairing Wing with a Hannigan. He would get it right up and ride a ways. Pretty intimidating sight. He was real good. He had to be. I guess you wouldn't get away with chopping the throttle more than once. __ Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who Arch. & Eng. Services |""Lost Horizons"" CR500 | I think I am. UManitoba, Man. Ca. |""The Embalmer"" IT175 | - anonymous",rec.motorcycles 1551," It will certainly *help* to be able to run Windows and Dos apps but the only way that Solaris or OS/2 or any other scheme is going to challenge Microsoft is if they can somehow get the prices for Solaris or OS/2 or whatever apps, down to a DOS competitive level. Everybody would rather run a Solaris app on a Solaris system and an OS/2 app on an OS/2 system, they usually just can't afford a Unix system because of the high prices for good Unix software. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1552," See xwd, xpr. Even better, grab xdump from ftp.cs.uwm.edu. It makes use of these programs as well, but has a much nicer interface (and can do more). You can dump to PostScript, bitmaps, etc. ",comp.windows.x 1553,"As I recall from Kieth Hernandez' 'auto'biography, Rusty is a devout Roman Catholic. Kieth and Rusty would carpool to Shea everyday but Sunday, when Rusty would go to mass. SC ",rec.sport.baseball 1554," Try coming up with your own definition of any or all ""self-hating"" peoples. To me, any who reject their culture to the point where they *only* see the absolute negatives of that culture (generally, or regarding a particular event) and accept *only* those views purely opposing aspects of that culture (thus, selective belief in and use of historical facts and a complete ignoring of ""context"" results) ""hate"" their culture. That certainly describes Elias, since he has no intention of recognizing that, alongside the Palestinian experience and perspective, there exists also that of Israelis. And, this is precisely why Israeli society has been tremendously harmed by the actions it (its government) has *felt it had to take* in response to an ""other"" perceived as a threat. Just as with you, there has long been a strident and emotional debate about the pain Israelis feel when forced to ""balance"" desires for survival and moral beliefs. The trauma of having to make that choice is made worse by the fact that neither can be conveniently brushed aside (as a result of a reasoned political debate) for the sake of the other, only reshaped. ",talk.politics.mideast 1555,"If you want slow LED flash rates, adjustable by switches (or by a 4066/4016 digitally controlled switch), I suggest looking at a 555 oscillator chip. They cost ~$1 at Radio Shack (much cheaper in quantity at quality places), and you will be able to find good info about simple circuits in a 555 oscialltor notebook (I think Forest Mims has one at Radio Shack). You'll have to toy with resistor/capacitor values OR you can use your head with a little math to get the right frequencies. Any engineer worth his salt, can make a 555 osciallator... It's in the book, and left up to you to see (I hate doing ASCII circuit graphics). The 555 can accurately go from a few Hz to about 500 KHz (I think). About the Tape Recorder gizmo, you could alter a stereo tape deck to use one channel as a DATA line (for flashing LED), and one as audio line (for voice or music). This would eliminate a lot of noise. The data line is probably most easily done by some kind of PLL or bandpass filter (using just an op-amp). The 565 chip is a good PLL, and not hard to work with. However if you nothing about how a PLL works, I suggest you don't try this. Op-Amp information can also be found in the Forest Mims Radio Shack info-booklets, and the popular 741 op-amp is a snap to work with. Setting frequency and bandpass filter values are not so easy, so I would suggest the 555 method firstmost... I have no idea what this is going into, so I am really generalizing... As for manufacturing techniques, if you're only goofing with it, I suggest you breadboard the thing... No need to solder. Wire-wrap would be the next, more permanent step. And lastly, soldering/PCB making. Hope that clears things......",sci.electronics 1556," What does this bill do? McD",None 1557,"I badly need a pair of SEGA 3D glasses for a cheap VR setup. If you have a set and want to part with it, I can arrange shipping, etc.., and duty if necessary. Leave e-mail to: davecru@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca or call (403) 459-2893 ask for DJ. ",misc.forsale 1558,"A friend and I have ATI Graphic Ultra display adaptors, and they have been reasonably good performers, but we both have had irritating compatibility problems with the ATI drivers and are ready to change to something faster and more compatible with windows. I have heard rumblings that the new Orchid 9000 card is very fast. Anyone have experience with this card? What is currently available that is fast, compatible, does 1280x1024x256 non- interlaced and cost under $500? Ken Keirnan -- ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1559," Like it or not stock prices and sales of a particular product ARE measures of success. They can be measures of short term or long term success. I think in MS case they are a good measure of their long term success. The original post mentioned how it seems on this group that there are a large number of people attacking MS and not willing to accept anything positive about MS. I was trying to make a point that the attacks are over emphasized and to look at the sales of MS products they definitely tell a different story.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1560," Why bother with a new newsgroup? If you want to discuss the subject, *start discussing it*. If there is enough traffic to annoy the rest of us, we will let you know... and *then* it will be time for a new newsgroup.",sci.space 1561,Can I view JPEG files without special hardware?,None 1562," This happens intermittently to Macs in our department, ranging from IIsi's to a Quadra 950. I can end the slowdown immediately by unplugging the Ethernet cable from the Mac. It seems that something on the network puts out these packet storms every few days. These storms have the effect of making our Macs slow down to a crawl. David Gutierrez drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1563,"I'm told that I can replace the colorful windows logo that appears as windows invokes with a graphic of my choosing. The challange is that the image must be in 'RLE' format. I've got GIF's, PIC's, JPG's, TIF's, etc... everything but RLE's! What's the best route to converting these things? What program should I download, and from where? Has anybody else done this, and do you have the steps available?",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1564," Where did that idea come from? It's news to me.",None 1565,"This is very curious being that they are both built by Mercury in the very same factory. Steve",rec.autos 1566,"I bought a 386DX-40 motherboard for 50$... no documentation at all. Everything appears to work, except I'm having trouble getting a few of the LED connectors working. I've looked at the manuals for 4 other motherboards, but the pin configuration doesn't look anything like what is on this board. Does this pin arrangement look familiar to anyone out there??? Any hints on where I can find this information? 1 10 ""speaker"" . . . . . . . . . . ""keylock"" . . . . . . . . . . 11 ^ 20 J23 | |The board came with a jumper vertically across these two pins. I can get the power/keylock to work across pins 11-15, reset across pins 9 and 19, but would prefer not to blow something up by further experimentation. The date on the board itself is 6/92, opti chips. I would really appreciate any help, and thank you in advance.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1567," Because, unlike the UK, passing the average driving test over here usually only requires a pulse & a single digit IQ. Every state controls their own licensing requirements, so it's possible that there's a test out there that actually requires some driving skills, but I doubt it.",rec.motorcycles 1568,,None 1569," cheek. ",None 1570,"My doc handed me 10mg samples of CLARITIN (brand of Ioratadine Tablet from Schering Corp.) I tried to find it in the PDR to no avail. I do remember she mentioned this drug was relatively new to the US but available overseas for quite some time. Looking mostly for side-effect, contraindications, and mode of action such that it differs from Seldane and Hismanal. Email or newsgroup is fine. Thanx in advance. ",sci.med 1571,"Hello Netters I recenlty aquired enough money to purchase a laser printer. The other day, I bought the COMPUTER SHOPPER mag. I was looking through printer review section and noticed the WINPRINTER800. The machine is incredibly low priced for all the features it has 800 dpi! 8Meg RAM Postscript compatable envelope printing My question is does anyone have one of these or know why the price is so cheap? I would appricaiate it if someone would pass on their knowledge on this subject. Thanks alot! Dave ------------------------------ Donuts are a girls best friend",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1572," >in the field who might be able to find out haven't yet done their >review of the chip design, and there's been a lot of wild speculation >and guesswork from those with little information that it might be >Swiss cheese. Oh, that puts the debate on -excellent- terms for our side: FEDS: You people saying that Clipper is insecure don't have any real information to support that judgment. ME: Fine -- show me this ""information"" that would prove me wrong. FEDS: That's secret!",sci.crypt 1573," On the other hand, Rush made an interesting point: The Democrats ran one of their best campaigns in years against a pathetic Republican and a paranoiac and still only pulled 43% of the vote, lost 10 seats in the House, and gained 0 seats in the Senate. 1994 might be pretty interesting. Clueless of the world, take heart! 57% of the electorate is willing to vote for ""a pathetic Republican and a paranoiac""!!",talk.politics.misc 1574,"I'm replying to someone who asked for information on space camp. I have a brochure that has all different schedules. What age, what level and what program do you want to know the schedule of? Most of the missions are 5 to 8 days long. The address for Huntsville is: Alabama Space Science Exhibit Commission U.S. Space and Rocket Center One Tranquility Base, Huntsville, AL 35807 - Jennifer ",sci.space 1575,"I recently made the mistake of purchasing a SONY CPD-1320 monitor for my Mac IIci. The monitor is very good, however it seems that the IIci does not support VGA (then why did you buy it you ask? I am stupid I reply). What I am looking for is a video card, preferably 8 bit, which supports VGA. I am interested in any information I can get. Offers for the sale of applicable cards will also be considered. Thanks in advance. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1576," And unless I am mistaken (I screwed up my borrowed VCR and got the first 2 minutes :-), the Corrado SLC was awarded AJAC's Sports (Sporty?) Car of the Year.. Mattias ",rec.autos 1577,"========================= commodore 128 1571 d/s disk drive 2 joysticks 1 mouse lotsa software, both games and apps. rapid fire joystick adapter ALL necessary cables ========================== about a year old $95 OBO",misc.forsale 1578,"Hello, Our application requires us to capture keypad presses for all windows in a number of applications. We are trying to use action translation tables to implement this. We have only succeeded by assigning the translation table to every individual widget in all windows in a single application. The Xt calls we make are included below. It would be much more convenient if we could assign the translation table to a class of widgets rather than individual widget instantiations, and also accomplish it for MULTIPLE applications. If someone could describe how do this it would be greatly appreciated. Platform: Sun Sparc w/ X11R4 & Motif 1.1.4 *********************************************************************** static XtActionsRec actionsTable[] = { {""up"", do_up}, {""right"", do_right}, {""middle"", do_middle}, {""left"", do_left}, {""down"", do_down}, {""bye"", quit}, }; static char defaultTranslations[] = ""KP_8: up() \n\ KP_6: right() \n\ KP_5: middle() \n\ KP_4: left() \n\ KP_2: down() \n\ KP_1: bye()""; XtTranslations trans_table, trans_table2; (. . .) XtAddActions(actionsTable, XtNumber(actionsTable)); trans_table = XtParseTranslationTable(defaultTranslations); widget = XtCreateManagedWidget(""msg"", xmPushButtonWidgetClass, form, wargs, n); XtOverrideTranslations(widget, trans_table);",comp.windows.x 1579," I think you would need a DOS macro program. Superkey (by Borland?) comes to mind. I don't think Windows is capable of sending keystrokes to a DOS window. What you want to do sounds like a security problem to me, though.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1580," GCC and other big programs seemed to crash about 15% of the time for me. gcc gave something like ""program as got fatal signal 11"" and when doing anything past the complexity of elvis, kermit, etc, I got kernel general protection faults at *least* once a session. I disabled my cache as suggested, and bingo, Linux is as stable as a rock (it hasn't given me a core dump or kernel error yet). Does any one know why the cache would do something like this? Aldy -- hernandz@andrews.edu",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1581,"We have Suns running SunOS 4.1.3 and Openwindows 3.0 (X11R4). We have used Xvision on a PC, setup to broadcast query to the UNIX xdm servers and allow a user to choose a UNIX client in which to login: xdm will then manage that display. I would like to do the same thing with xfree86 running under Linux, but I don't know how. I don't want to hardwire the UNIX xdm to manage the PC displays as the PC's are not always running Linux (let alone xfree86). I would like the same setup as provided by Xvision. Can anybody help? Thanks,",comp.windows.x 1582," It varies. You may get a catalog or price list from the advertiser, or if the ad was a specific product - a slec sheet on that product or line. ",sci.electronics 1583," For those of you who complain about Don Cherry, and wonder why he is popular... the reply is Dick Vitale and John Madden and Bobby Knight and Joe Garagiola and Howard Cosell. John Madden picks Gary Clark of the Redskins for his All-Madden team a lot, over much better receivers...for much the same reasons Cherry sings the praises of Doug Gilmour...a little guy with heart...yet one doesn't see a string of American posts saying that John Madden has lost his marbles. Dick Vitale is always promoting this kid from this high school or that college with outrageous statements. Why should Americans expect that Canada would not have such characters in relation to our greatest passion...which is hockey? Canadians are very similar to Americans...culturally our sports are just hockey and curling, whereas with Americans it is football/basketball/baseball and bowling.",rec.sport.hockey 1584," ""This is your god"" (from John Carpenter's ""They Live,"" natch) ",None 1585," Can anyone figure out what kind of deranged parent was stupid enough to bring their infant on a rock throwing crusade (or jihad, sorry)? 18-month old infants certainly don't walk around the streets on their own. That would lead me to believe that some nimrod of a ""parent"" brought them along for a little terrorism. thats what happened. Uhm, last I heard, the territories were disputed. Israel's occupation is not illegal. They are legally allowed to remain there until a settlement is reached with the arabs which, from the behavior of the Palestinian negotitating team, will probably be never. huh? they were buying vegetables. ",talk.politics.mideast 1586,"I am looking at buying a Dual Sport type motorcycle. This is my first cycle as well. I am interested in any experiences people have with the following motorcycles, good or bad. Honda XR250L Suzuki DR350S Suzuki DR250ES Yamaha XT350 Most XXX vs. YYY articles I have seen in magazines pit the Honda XR650L against another cycle, and the 650 always comes out shining. Is it safe to assume that the 250 would be of equal quality ?",rec.motorcycles 1587,"... If we are indeed talking about CS, then this is not quite accurate. CS is ""just"" tear gas--albeit the worst kind. It isn't a nausea gas, and doesn't have direct CNS effects. However, it's quite bad--much worse than CN gas. I was briefly exposed to it once (during an engagement in Berkeley circa 1968 8^) and it's not the kind of thing you forget. It seems to be moisture-activated--it not only made my eyes sting and water, but attacked my breathing passages and lungs. Breathing was painful, and my entire face felt as if it was on fire. These effects persisted for hours after exposure, and I was coughing for days afterwards. If I was exposed to a dense concentration of this stuff in a closed space for several hours, I doubt whether I could find the exit. Indeed, I can't imagine living through it. ",talk.politics.guns 1588,"Yeah... and BMW 525e has 2.7 litres 535 3.4 BTW - can someone out there please tell me how to put someone else's file on and then reply to that so the other person's file and my own 'reply' go to the newgroups together? (ps: just mail me personally) ",rec.autos 1589," This is a phenomenon known around work as ready-fire-aim. I am astounded at the number of times people post strong opinions about things they not only don't understand but publicly admit to not understanding. In fact, there's a plausible argument that saves are a more rational stat than wins. For the record, there are two ways that a reliever can get a save: He must finish the game and either 1. have entered the game with the tying run on base, at bat, or on deck. 2. have pitched at least three innings effectively. A pitcher may not get a win and a save in the same game. But this is an argument that *wins* is a dumb stat, not saves. This again doesn't support your claim about saves at the beginning of your post. Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com",rec.sport.baseball 1590,"I've been using Final from CODA for some time, but suddenly it stopped using my fonts. I have a 386 PC with lots of disk space and memory, a Postscript laser, Win3.1, Finale 2.0.1 and I recently installed ATM 2.0. I've been fiddling around with the Windows setup for some time, and when I needed to do some work with Finale things didn't print properly. It might - and it might not - have anything to do with the installation of ATM from 1.something to 2.0, but I don't have the old ATM lying around anomore. The most annoying problem was that the Petrucci font didn't print, which is a rather important font :-) I managed to get direct printing to work if I included OwnPS=0 in the [Finale] section of WIN.INI, but Compile PostScript Listing still doesn't work; and it's those .EPS files I need. When I look at the .eps files generated the only font which appears there is Courier. I found out that if I manually changed the Courier 24-point to Petrucci 24-point in the .EPS file everything worked ok, but I'd rather avoid that since I have a lot of songs to work with. And yes, in the Special/Font/Font names dialog box all the fonts I need are listed, with the correct mapping between Finale, Screen and Printer fonts. Finale is obviously aware of the fonts since direct printing of a score works well (that is, after I included OwnPS=0), and all my other Windows applications print Petrucci and the other fonts well. Has anyone encountered problems like this? What is the current version of Finale from Coda Music Software? I have 2.0.1 Are the people at Coda available on Internet or X.400? I'd be grateful for all hints and help. -mats",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1591," How about the GNU people, handing out very good, free software? I've also distributed two decent-sized programs myself, the Go player Fumiko (at ftp.u.washington.edu) and the Genetic Neural Network Programmer CEREBRUM (somewhere out there). I've only had time to write these programs because of scholarships and grants. The intended benefit to society, or a loophole in the system? ",comp.graphics 1592,"I am looking for info on products that can take Windows source on a Unix box (such as Sparc), and produce a Motif executable. Another requirement is that MFC 2.0 should be supported. I already know of: Wind/U by Bristol Technologies Hunter SDK MainWin by MainSoft Are there any others? I will post a summary if it's wanted. Daniel",comp.windows.x 1593,"Hi, I need to know if there is a 256 color graphics mode that allows multiple pages. I want something like mode 0x10 (640x350x16 2 pages). I have been experimenting with graphics by calling the BIOS with borland turbo c. I feel like I am flying blind in this area, and could use all the help that you can give. Thanks, Ivan...... ",comp.graphics 1594,,None 1595," Well, let's delve one level deeper. Why is democracy better than tribalism or other means of Govt.? The President of Georgia was elected with a thumping majority and booted out later, w/ no objections from the UN. Similarly, the people of Algeria elected an Islamic Fundemantalist Party into power but the junta declared it illegal. In both cases, I personally have _no_ problems with the outcome, but if the voice of the people is that hallowed thing that the world community claims to revere so, why isn't it interfering there? . Exactly. My point is that it will inevitably turn out that way, and we can save ourselves a lot of pain and trouble by simply letting people sort out their problems on their own. Colonial interventions, even in Haiti, haven't worked in the past. They had a 102 coups from 1845-1915. The US invaded in 1915. And left in 1933, almost 17 years after they had intended to. Was it a success? Well, look at Haiti today and of the past 40 years and decide for yourself. It _was_ a success so long as the US was in, from what I remember. But it didn't last long, obviously. Nobody did. People should have a right to self-defense. If the UN wants to arm the Bosnians or Haitian revolutionaries or whoever, I have no problems with that. I do when they cross that line and attempt to re-arrange boundaries, govts. etc., the Vance-Owen plan being one such piece of insanity. We finally have a clearly-stated point of difference. Colonialism can have its good side, which is as you stated above - removing thugs from being able to lord it over powerless people. I am worried that the bad side is what will assert itself, and I am prepared to let natural forces take their course if that will mean we can avoid the bad side of colonialism. -- Srinivas Sunder sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu If The University of Illinois shares these views, I'd be surprised. They aren't that smart generally -:).",talk.politics.mideast 1596,"From article , by 3s737abg@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Unknown Class User): Saying things like that incline one to believe that you can't get it (SCSI) to work for your setup (too bad). I've daisy-chained 4 SCSI devices off my mac without a problem (limit is 7 SCSI devices in the daisy-chain). If it isn't working for you, it's really better to state the problem (unless all you really intend to do is try to get nasty e-mail, in that case perhaps you would be better off posting to alt.masochistic type of newsgroup). /`-_ callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu { }/ Joel E Callan Hey, why do you think I have the answer? \ ./ 2909 N. 44th Street May you sit on the tack of success |___| Milwaukee, WI 53210 and rise to the occasion!",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1597,,None 1598,"Last night, Boston Red Sox win its 11 games of 14 games by beating Seattle 5-2. Roger Clemson pitch not so dominate. He walked at least 6 man in first 6 inns. But Valetin and Greenwell hit homeruns and Red Sox prevail.",rec.sport.baseball 1599," I wonder why you say that? I don't see why having a spouse and/or kids would have anything to do with it. It might if you brought your kids to the game and wanted them to get home in time to get to bed at a reasonable hour (in which case I'd probably decide to take my kids to games on weekends, as many people do, or else be prepared to leave the game early), but from what you say later on, you don't bring your kids *or* your spouse to the game. As it happens, I have a husband but no kids, and my husband usually attends games with me. I can see it's a problem if you don't bring your wife to the ballgame, but that's a problem even if the game goes a trim 2 1/2 hours. As far as bagging work the next day, I don't really understand why that's necessary, unless going to a game also means that you consume vast quantities of beer (I note that this is the case for many guys). If you don't think you can get up to go to work after a long evening out, then don't have long evenings out during the week. Look: if I pay between $8.00 and $20.00 apiece for tickets, plus $10.00 for parking, plus spending my time and energy driving to and from Boston, plus spending additional money on concessions etc. at the ballpark, then I see going to a game as a considerable investment of time and money. I can't afford to go to a lot of games. Hence, going to a game is a big deal, like going to a play or an opera. Maybe you have more money than I do and can go to games all year long, so it's not such a big deal for you. But I'm not interested in having games ""sped up"", any more than I want to have _Die Walkure_ cut down to a convenient ""weeknight version"" of two hours. If I felt that going to a night game during the week would interfere with my family life or my work life, then I'd choose to go to a weekend game. IMPO.",rec.sport.baseball 1600,"** Talaris Lazer printer, 16pg/min ** I have a lazer printer from Talaris that suppose to printer 16 pg / min. I have never set it up to use because I did not expect it to be any bigger than a lazerJet IIp, but I', wrong. It was purshase used when a company liquidated it. I will sale it for $350 + shipping. Reply if interested/obo. ",misc.forsale 1601," What is your reaction to people who claim they were abducted by space aliens? Some of these people say, ""I was abducted, experimented on, etc."" If we insist that these aliens don't exist is the burden of proof placed on us. These people can give no hard facts but can give a lot of testimony to back up their beliefs. Replace with , , , and we have a larger percentage of the population than I like to think about.",alt.atheism 1602," Shhh--coke drinkers haven't found out about Phosphoric Acid yet. :-) David",sci.crypt 1603," Highway 12 is a great road. Be sure to stop by the Anasazi (sp) village museum near Boulder Creek. Interesting lifestyle :-). The views of Dixie National Forest are stunning.",None 1604,"wrote in response to article <30975@galaxy.ucr.edu>, raffi@watnxt08.ucr.edu [IC] There are some Armenians here, in the USA. [IC] In fact, there are some areas where Armenians are majority. [IC] Suppose, a large group of people of one of such area decides, [IC] that the US ""government is not representing their interests, and vote for [IC] seperation"" from the USA. The Armenians you refer to have chosen to come to the United States lawfully and peacefully. However, if Armenians invade the United States and force Americans to either flee or become Armenians, it will not succeed. Similarly, the Armenians of Karabakh are being forced by Azerbaijan to either become Azeris or leave, and it also will not succeed, as has been demonstrated. Karabakh, irrespective of its geographic position situated technically within the Stalin-prepared borders of Azerbaijan, has been long oppressed and eventually was invaded in 1991 by Azeri OMON and Soviet forces, resulting in the northern third of this Armenian area being depopulated of Armenians. The Armenians have been fighting back ever since. Clearly, you feel it rather ridiculous for Armenians, of let's say Glendale, California, to engage in an independence movement for a free and independent Glendale. Similarly, the Azerbaijanis are engaging in a losing attempt at claiming sovereignty over the land and people of Karabakh, who have lived continuously in Karabakh a thousand years before the first Central Asian invaders ever stepped foot in the Caucasus. [IC] Should they get it? [IC] And should the UN enforce their will? [IC] And is it a simple, beautiful concept, indeed? Your analogy has broken down because you have switched positions of the victim and invader. A better analogy would be the direct parallel between Armenians of Karabakh and Native Americans. Now, if you wish, we can discuss the tenets of might versus right and the policies of settler nations! ",talk.politics.mideast 1605," In what way David? Our government is totally out of control, whether you realize it or not. I know you find it painful to think of your old buddy Uncle Sam as evil but it's true. Other democracies have fallen before. Ours is on its way and knee-jerk sheep that instinctively trust government are helping it slide. Power corrupts David, why is that so hard to understand? ",sci.crypt 1606," [...] I think you are mistaken in thinking Tom Scharle to be a atheist. You will find both atheists and Christians among your opponents on t.o. Calling your opponents them ""Branch Athiests zealots"" does nothing for your credibility. Oh yes, do. Dear me. This is taken _so_ out of context that it's hard to know where to start... The quote starts with material from p 78, and ends with material from page 81! On page 78, there's the bit that says (the parts left out in John King's ""quote"" are marked by <>): ""<...> the doubt that has infiltrated the previous, smugly confident certitude of evolutionary biology<'s last twenty years> has inflamed passions ."" Eldridge goes on immediately following the butchered quote: ""In short, evolutionary biology has entered a phase of creativity that is the hallmark of good, active science."" The material that is on page 81 that is ""quoted"" by John King has been butchered even more severely: "" **There is**[these words not in the original text-prl] lack of agreement even within warring camps <: things are really in uproar these days, and each of the ""basic"" ways of looking at evolutionary biology has its minor variants.> Sometimes it seems as if there are as many variations on each evolutionary theme as there are individual biologists."" Eldridge goes on: ""But that's the way it should be; this is how science is supposed to operate."" And just a few sentences down: ""When they [creationists] misrepresent the exuberant, creative doubt and controversy permeating evolutionary biology these days, they are actively promoting scientific illiteracy."" And that, John E. King, is precisely what you have done with Eldridge's article. Are you personally responsible for the butchery of the text or have you pulled it out of some creationist propaganda? You owe the people reading t.o an apology for posting such misrepresentation. ",talk.religion.misc 1607,"Hi, Could someone explain to me what exactly the Xlib functions XCreateRegion, XPolygonRegion, XPointInRegion do, or to suggest a ftp site where I can find programs using these functions. PS: The man pages does not explain much ...... Thank you, Leo. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonidas Nikidis : ln@doc.ic.ac.uk Imperial College, London,UK Dept. of Computing",comp.windows.x 1608," [excellent and helpful list deleted] Wes's list is of ""do""s and ""don't""s for writing your Congressional representatives is a fine one but I'd like to encourage people to pay extra attention to the point above. As cliched as the saying may be it's nevertheless true that you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. While the writing styles prevalent on the net possess a certain charm please remember that the person reading your letter is likely to be uninfluenced or negatively influenced if you express your concerns in a way that makes you sound like a flake or a paranoid crackpot. Wild and unsupported accusations about the menace from the NSA will not carry much weight, nor are overblown conclusions about the inevitable consequences of the proposal likely to convince (especially not ones that attempt strained analogies to the rise of the Nazi party. Please save the Niemoller quote for another letter..) If you want your opinions to be taken seriously it is *very* important that you state those opinions in a manner that is understandable and seems reasonable to a layman. Don't overburden your reader with technical details or expect them to know the history of various encryption technologies. Before you mail it, hand your letter to a non-technical friend and ask them to sanity-check it. Above all, realize that legislators are often motivated as much by self-interest as by anything else. Try to point out risks in terms that will be meaningful and motivating to them such as the loss of individual privacy rights or the damage restrictive export regulations do to American businesses' ability to compete in the global marketplace. Pull the strings that you think will work with your legislator -- if your legislator is unlikely to be swayed by civil-rights concerns then point out how a government-granted monopoly for Mycotronx damages the competitiveness of businesses in your district that manufacture or market phone or crypto technology.",sci.crypt 1609," Good question. It's my impression, not backed by evidence, that general south-of-the-borderness seems to exempt one from the hiring-firing effect I was talking about. Back in the 20's there were some attempts to hire black Cuban ballplayers; they were rejected by the commissioner and others. Well, what *did* I mean to say? Aside from some short-lived exceptions such as Japanese internment in WW II, only blacks were affected by laws regarding: slavery, Jim Crow, miscegenation, military service, etc. If my claim of exclusivity is not 100% airtight, that is, if you can come up with this or that exception, fine -- have a cookie. But compared to this list, no other racial group put up with a legal onslaught worth discussing at length.",rec.sport.baseball 1610,Quoting dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com in article <1993Apr26.150434.227@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>:,None 1611," Viola has only played in the NL with the Mets -- not possible for him to have defeated or lost to every team. Ditto for Tanana who was mentioned in a previous post. I don't remember if Seaver managed to get a win against the White Sox in his brief sojourn with Boston so I'd say the other pitcher to defeat every team is either Mike Torrez (he bounced around enough for a long enough period of time) or Koosman as mentioned. I would also guess that if one of these two did not manage to beat every team he did manage to lose to every team. Tom ",rec.sport.baseball 1612," I'll post my guesses to some of these and other trivia questions posted. For most career K's with one team, if it's not Ryan, perhaps Steve Carlton. With the Rangers, Hough was there for a long time. In the 100 saves department...Maybe Lee Smith(he should have at least a hundred with the Cubbies, maybe enough with either the RSox or Cards.) Then maybe, Gossage?(NYY and SD), Fingers (MIL, OAK) Don't know about the homers/steals dept. In some other article,(Mets trivia), it could be Tim Leary in at least the losing to all teams, maybe beating all of 'em too. Probably Seaver and Koosman fit too. And in Randy Johnson's no-hitter, I think it was Scott Bradley, the other half of the old Mariner catching platoon, who was behind the plate that night.",rec.sport.baseball 1613,,None 1614,"(Peter > > Simple logic arguments are folly. If you read the Bible you will see I can't. It seems Jesus used logic to make people using logic look like fools? No, that does not sound right, he maybe just told they were fools, and that's it, and people believed that... Hmm, does not sound reasonable either... I find it always very intriguing to see people stating that transcendental values can't be explained, and then in the next sentence they try to explain these unexplained values. Highly strange. Cheers, Kent",alt.atheism 1615," You can configure devices for the same IRQ as long as you don't use them *simultaneously*, under Dos at least. Both LPT1: and SB just sit there until you tell them to do something. You can't configure a SoundBlaster for IRQ7 if you got an Ethernet Card which hits that IRQ a thousand times or so per second.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1616,"I'm interested in this from the other angle: what antihistamine can I take at bedtime for relief of allergies, with the assurance that its sedative effect will have completely worn off by the next morning, but preferably with the anti-allergy effect lasting longer? I'm thinking mainly of OTC products. Which has the least duration of sedative action: Benadryl, Chlor-Trimeton, or what? Note that I'm asking about duration, not intensity.",sci.med 1617," The problem is that QuinZip is very very slow. So I think that WinZip 4.0 is still the best choice to use pkzip in Windows!",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1618,": I'd really like to see such a thing developed so that interactive :internet talk radio could be done. Ideally, though, it should be a general :purpose device. It should be a general purpose enough device that nobody :should be able to balk at its widespread use. Obviously, to make it easy :for homebrewers, it should use pretty common hardware. I suggest we start with the ubiquitous Sun, to get a lot of momentum going. Custom hardware isn't going to go anywhere until there's a user base. : Anyone interested? I'll start a provisional mailing list. Let :me know if you want on. Count me in. I need someone at the US end to experiment on the protocols with, and I like the way you code. Give me 3 weeks to move house and settle in then we'll go for it seriously...",sci.crypt 1619," That is the result of watching anti-Muslim 'SDPA' Nazis/crooks/idiots too much. Still covering up the crimes of your fascist Armenian grandparents and Nazi Armenian parents? Not a chance. As early as 1934, K. S. Papazian asserted in 'Patriotism Perverted' that the Armenians 'lean toward Fascism and Hitlerism.'[1] At that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would actively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World War II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of the Muslim population of Eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological tendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before the outbreak of the Second World War. In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was quoted in the 'Hairenik Weekly:' ""The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race. On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is bereft of social sanctities.""[2] [1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press 1934), Preface. [2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our Refuge' by O. Zarmooni. In April 1942, Hitler was preparing for the invasion of the Caucasus. A number of Nazi Armenian leaders began submitting plans to German officials in spring and summer 1942. One of them was Souren Begzadian Paikhar, son of a former ambassador of the Armenian Republic in Baku. Paikhar wrote a letter to Hitler, asking for German support to his Armenian national socialist movement Hossank and suggesting the creation of an Armenian SS formation in order ""to educate the youth of liberated Armenia according to the spirit of the Nazi ideas."" He wanted to unite the Armenians of the already occupied territories of the USSR in his movement and with them conquer historic Turkish homeland. Paikhar was confined to serving the Nazis in Goebbels Propaganda ministry as a speaker for Armenian- and French-language radio broadcastings.[1] The Armenian-language broadcastings were produced by yet another Nazi Armenian Viguen Chanth.[2] [1] Patrick von zur Muhlen (Muehlen), p. 106. [2] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900 Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 124 and 129. The establishment of Armenian units in the German army was favored by General Dro (the Butcher). He played an important role in the establishment of the Armenian 'legions' without assuming any official position. His views were represented by his men in the respective organs. An interesting meeting took place between Dro and Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler toward the end of 1942. Dro discussed matters of collaboration with Himmler and after a long conversation, asked if he could visit POW camp close to Berlin. Himmler provided Dro with his private car.[1] A minor problem was that some of the Soviet nationals were not 'Aryans' but 'subhumans' according to the official Nazi philosophy. As such, they were subject to German racism. However, Armenians were the least threatened and indeed most privileged. In August 1933, Armenians had been recognized as Aryans by the Bureau of Racial Investigation in the Ministry for Domestic Affairs. [1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., pp. 112-113. Need I go on? Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 1620,"A word of warning for those of you registering for SIGGRAPH '93. I just received my registration form back in the mail with the envelope marked ""Return to sender. Moved - Left No Address. Closed PO Box"". The address I used to register for SIGGRAPH '93 is the one printed on the registration form: ACM SIGGRAPH '93 PO Box 95316, Chicago, IL 60694-5316 I printed the envelope in my best printing, honest but evidently SIGGRAPH '93 has skipped town or moved? I ended up faxing my registration to: 312-321-6876. I hope that number is real!",comp.graphics 1621,"It should be noted that the US benefitted not only from German science and technology after WW2 but also from British science and technology. From the discovery and manufacture of penicillin to jet engines, swing wing aircraft, the hovercraft etc etc. all were shipped lock-stick-and-barel across the Atlantic. We still are suffering from this sort of thing because of some of the more parochial aspects of US procurement policy. Meiko, a British parallel computer company, for example, has now moved most of its facilities to the US since that was the only way it could sell stuff over there. ",sci.space 1622,"I still have about 70 records left on hand, all in pristine condition (except where noted), quite a few out-of-print and more than a few imports in the bunch. Rather than selling the majority for $3-4 each, I'm looking to barter packages for stuff that you might be selling over USENET. I'll also trade for other records in very good condition that you've replaced with CD, as well as pre-recorded videos on Beta or VHS. In the past, I've been able to make deals based on the equivalent list/store price (e.g., 1 CD = 1 movie in Beta format*) to get around what you or I might have originally paid (as if we can even remember! (-;) ** [At this time, I'm looking for a set of working AA NiCad rechargable batteries ... if you have some lying around, and they're sound, RSVP!] So if you're curious, RSVP for my list and if you see anything that you like, send back a proposal for a record package and a copy of your ad for the stuff you're selling ... thanks! gld * i.e., the imports and out-of-prints are also valued at 1 used CD; ** I once got a 2400 baud external modem for 10 records (list $81); Anybody got a nice, unused blender for making frozen margaritas? (-; PS: There have been NO additions since the last posting in February; the list has only shrunk as I've made a few deals since.",misc.forsale 1623,"EUROPEAN COMPUTER RESEARCH CENTRE Research Positions in 3D Graphics ECRC is currently expanding its research staff in three-dimensional graphics. We are looking for highly qualified researchers with a PhD in computer science and a proven ability to conduct highly innovative research. Preference will be given to candidates who have strong experience in developing and implementing algorithms for three-dimensional graphics, visualization and user interaction. We presently have positions available for both experienced researchers and recent graduates. Candidates with especially strong backgrounds may be considered for positions as visiting scientists or for Ph.D. student research positions. The European Computer-Industry Research Centre is located in Munich, Germany with English as the working language. The centre is funded by a consortium of major computer companies, with a mission to pursue research in fundamental areas of computer science. Active areas of research include visualization and user interfaces, distributed computing, parallelism, deductive systems and databases. The center employs 45 researchers of 21 different nationalities. The small but rapidly growing graphics group is currently investigating new methods for three-dimensional human-computer interaction and the integration of computer vision and computer graphics technology. The center has extensive computing facilities which includes Sun workstations, Apple Macintoshes, a well equipped graphics laboratory and network access to super-computer facilities.",comp.graphics 1624,"Sega Genesis Games For Sale: (All these games just $25 each!) Galaxy Force II Jordan vs. Bird (One on One, shoot-outs, etc.) Powerball Test Drive II: The Duel (comes in box) Valis III by Renovation Also for sale: Sportstalk Football '93 starring Joe Montana $35 All games include manual and case. Shipping is $4 per order (2nd day priority).",misc.forsale 1625," ]Furthermore, in response to an earlier message, the 1992 U.S. est. output of ]sulfur dioxide (20 mill. tons) was equivalent to the entire output by the recent ]eruption of Mt. Pinautubo(Sp.). Currently world carbon dioxide levels set at approx. ]360 ppm, in the past 120,000 years it has never gone above 280 (this info ]was found using ice core samples from the joint French/Russian/U.S. Vostok ]project). Furthermore, the background emmisions of chlorine compounds into ]the atmoshpere is about 0.6 ppb annually, it now sits at 3.5. This OVERWHELMING ]data/info is found in the World Resources doc. published by Oxford University. Good evidence. ]The ozone hole in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres keeps getting bigger ]and stickin' around longer whilst skeptics ponder how wrong or corrupt all this ]data from government and international scientific institutions is. It is a pity, that, ]if the skeptics are wrong and we base our complacency on their Limbaugh ]psycho babble, then we will find ourselves strapped by limited options with ]which to rectify the primal engineering of our industrial age. What ozone hole in the northern hemisphere? What exactly will happen if we get an ozone hole in the upper atmosphere? According to the senior chicken-little at NASA, as much more UV radiation as if one moved 100 miles south. Certainly not the calamity that is being imagined by eco-lunatics. CO2 is going up. So what. There's no evidence that the increase is due to burning fossil fuels, no evidence that increasing CO2 will increase temperatures, and no evidience that raising temperatures will do anything but good--ie make millions of acres of tundra into productive life-bearing land.",talk.politics.misc 1626," I hate to disagree, but I will. :) (note: I don't pirate software, nor do I trade it. I simply have met and talked extensively with those who have. that's it. the FBI can tap someone else's phone :) Most pirating is done by people who don't use the programs they pirate. A cracked program tends to get passed on, resplendant in the various graphics and animations that advertise whoever performed the modification(s). I admit that a large portion of the business world is involved in 'giving' copies of programs to one's fellow workers, maybe taking it home for use on one's own PC, but such trading tends to be interdepartmental or at most spread throughout the business as a whole- how many times have you had someone walking from business to business letting people copy disks? It's mostly a matter of convenience: a person sees a program they want to use and they feel justified in making a copy since ""someone's already paid for it"", etc., etc. (A note: this is starting to change a bit. not much though.) what about commercially available copy programs? CopyII? how about programs like teledisk, that can do things diskcopy can't? and before anyone disputes this because they feel that those who would copy wouldn't know about this: after working with people around computers, one comes to realize that the 'average' user doesn't know much. Any computer enthusiast is at least 200x better at pre-guessing commands and how to use them (can *you* sit down and use something without reading the manual?) and it is these people who are doing the '20% pirating', not Joe Windows User who can't remember a few arguments to the dir command. really? I find it evens out- the online stuff can be read through faster, but you're stuck reading it in linear flow: start to finish, unless you jump ahead with a search or such. A book, though, you can flip through faster than you can read text on a screen and they usually have a nifty index too! But I partially agree: I often wish I could grep something that was written down. what if they need to re-install? The idea of a backup still holds- if the original disk goes bad, they're out of luck for about 1-2 weeks, which is the usual turn around time for a company to send a new set of disks- if they'll do it without a charge.",sci.electronics 1627," I guess I would react rather strongly to this line of thinking carried out! When you think ""your army"" is stronger than ""mine"", you would ""righteously"" take my children and baptize them, doing what you know is really ""best"" for them. You cannot possibly put this kind of action, nor the crusades into the context of the teachings of Jesus/God. I think he advocated a different approach that was *by design* made to be appealing, to those called by him, not chosen by a church practice. It seems to me you have the cause and effect switched, the change comes and then you get baptized. ",soc.religion.christian 1628," i also noticed this was out. the readme that comes with it doesn't tell you squat, except to warn you that bad things may happen. anyone have any idea what these can do for me in terms of, say, performance ?",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1629," The peaceful attempt to serve the warrant was met with gunfire. Due process was not served because the Branch Davidians wanted it that way. *You* think on that. -- ""Milk is for babies; when you're a man, you drink beer"" - Arnold",talk.religion.misc 1630," ",None 1631,"+> +> Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just ""Hey, how's it going, +>nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"" +> +> 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when +>you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. + +Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge, +but I've never actually done it. I've had people in cages wave at me or give me the thumbs up on occassion. (I always return the wave or thumbs up). That never happened to me until I started riding Harleys, so that may have something to do with it. Why not try waving? What bad could happen? ____________________________________________________________________________ Russian Roulette is fun 5 times out of 6",rec.motorcycles 1632," Well, I agree. I hope others chime in with suggestions on specific technologies which could be applied towards the maintenance of an Earth like atmosphere on a long-duration spacecraft. Tim et al: I think we should try looking at atmosphere first. This seems to be the single most fundamental issue in keeping anyone alive. We're all taught that when supporting a patient you look for maintaining airway. So, in keeping with my trauma training (and keeping my emergency medicine professor happy), I suggest that we look at the issues surrounding a regenerable atmospheric circuit. Howz that Tim?",sci.space 1633," Well, I think you might want to visit a doctor who is familiar with sleep disturbances, because antihistamines only help induce sleep when they're used intermittently; they lose their sedative effect if they're used on a nightly basis. Their anticholinergic effects (drying of secretions, relaxing effects on smooth muscle) can be problematic in some people, such as those with glaucoma or prostate enlargement. Antihistamines like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) or doxylamine (Unisom) are potent sedatives which are useful occasionally. Chlorpheniramine (Chlor-Trimeton) is said to be less sedative, but 8mg seems to work well in some people. Both chlorpheniramine and doxylamine have long half-lives compared to diphenhydramine, and so may produce a residual hangover or ""drugged"" feeling the next morning. ",sci.med 1634," > > Bull shit. There is no reason in the world why we can't say that > taking views analogous to the KKK's or some such organization is > wrong. There is no reason why some morality may not be legislated. As > it is we do not allow theft, or murder, or rape. Why should we allow > hateful sppech whose only purpose is to stir anger and violence. > > Harry. Actually, You're wrong as well. The KKK is allowed to march and any attempts to curtail their freedom is rejected (Actually I believe the ACLU won a case for them last year). Morality should not be legilated in a free country like the U.S. Yes. That seems to be the problem. Even Germany now has laws for its military where soldiers are *required* to disobey orders if they believe the orders are morally incorrect. Naziism is prohibited in Canada, Germany (others?). How pray tell is Canda any less free than the US? I'll post something on TJ and Uva under Uva for those Hoos bashers.",talk.politics.mideast 1635,"psionic@wam.umd.edu, whose parenthesized name is either an unfortunate coincidence or casts serious doubt on his bona fides, posts a message in which he seems willing to take the word of a private firm about which he knows little that their new encryption algorithm is secure and contains no trapdoors, while seemingly distrusting that of the government about clipper. I suppose it depends on how paranoid one wishes to be, but how does the writer know the firm isn't, for example, an NSA front? For purposes of this message, how do we know ""psionic"" isn't? I don't suggest that, but post this to point out that there is a class of speculation that has no more truth value, without lots of hard evidence, than the contrary one. By the way, if ""psionic"" had said, in lower case letters, that the firm CLAIMS there was no back door, I'd have no problem with that phrasing. David",sci.crypt 1636,"Hi folks, I'm trying to compile xfig 2.1.7 on a SS1+ running SunOS 4.1.1 and OW 2.0, and I'm having a little trouble with make/imake. Specifically, make bombs when it needs to use any Xaw file. This isn't surprising since X11 files on Suns with the standard OW 2.0 distribution are in various places under /usr/openwin (Xaw files are in /usr/openwin/share/include/X11/Xaw !!) Actually, the real problem is that I know squat about imake, and I don't know how to tell imake where the X11 files are. I can see from the Makefile that it's looking in the wrong places, but the first line of the Makefile reads # Makefile generated by imake - do not edit! Help! Is there some way I can edit the Imakefile to tell it where to look? (I have set DEFINES = -DOPENWIN_BUG, as it said to in the README file.) Email and post are both fine. Thanks in advance,",comp.windows.x 1637,"Interesting delema for all those out there. My school is discussing installing a Mac lab of 10 to 15 stations for our Bio 100 to 103 classes to do a study with pig disections. (no joke) Here is the deal. We can get this grant to do a study on if it is more feasible to do a disection via the computer or via the real thing. My problem is I was somehow drawn into this project (being done by students who want to go Mac but know NADA about them, being the man mac man on campus, guess who they came to?) so I wnt to know what would probably be the best hardware to fill the follwoing list? Right now we are looking at the C650 8/80 and the 2vx 5/80 platforms. Ok here it goes: We are using cd-rom, so ought we go with the internal Apple Cd-roms offered as options in the 650 and vx or go external. It is a matter of price and reliability, the second being VERY important. How much RAM? I was thinking 5-8 more leaning towards 8? What do you think? Ok, called apple educational discounts and they said their keyboard (extended) is 160.30. Is it better to go with the Apple and their long time great wear and tear record, or is there a 3rd party extended keyboard that is just a reliable? Price? Printers: One color printer we are presently leaning towrds the Thermal Wax Tektronic 200e or 200i (Probably the e as we are going to limit access so we don't needed the i's networkability) So, what do you think in terms of color printers? Different brand? Kind (Dye Sublimation? Ink Jet?) Price? Companies? 1800 #s? Also, we are looking to get a laser printer or such to network into the whole lab for noraml printing. The fornt runner is the Apple Pro650 (is that right don't have my notes here?) at 1650. Suggestions? We have kids using these things all day if this lab goes through and they know nothing about it for the most part. It has to be reliable, easy to maintain, and economical (ie, not high priced paper cartidges, etc). Finally, and this is my little dig into the Project. What about netting these things? We have ether nearby and I would like to slap the macs on the net, but, server? Individual ether? Forget about it it is going to be astronomically priced and the school is going to laugh at you when you ask them? Little more info, I am a Poli Sci major who just happens to know alot about macs but this is a bit out of my league, not to mention I don't have the time to go and look for all of this stuff. So I am hoping the collective resources and intelect of the net can help (Has before) [Shameless plug: BUY EMPOWER!!! Great Security Program!!!] Disclaimer: This post is not and will never be supported by my University. They do not condone in any way my using this media to illict info. This is a proj by bio majors so they re the real persons. Anyinfo please send to the email above or to make it real clear rmwbb@wittenberg.edu And damn I hope my editor is alive when I get done typing s there is not another stupid blank post. I reserve the right to claim all this info as mine and use it to get everything I want form my Universities red taped administration. This info may be used for blackmail purposes and for obtaining undo amounts of praise and god like status. This info may also be used to get credits I probaly really don't deserve. That is the ned of it. Any questions? And thanks ahead of time!! Once again taping the collective genius of the internet,",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1638,"I have the following CD's that I'd like to sell: M.O.D. Gross Misconduct Metal Giants (at early metal compilation including Aerosmith, Mountain, Blue Oyster Cult, Judus Priest, etc.) Metal Church Blessings in Disguise (excellent) Slayer Hell Awaits Anthrax Among the Living Whiplash Power and Pain Dream Theater Images and Words (Pull me under) Exodus Fabulous Disaster (Heavy) Death Angel The Ultra Violence (hard to find) All CD's are in excellent condition (no scratches or skips). After checking several similar articles, it seems the going rate is $8. Hence CD's are $8.00 postage paid. Please e-mail me if you are interested, as I rarely read these groups. I'll ship asap after receiving cash, check or money order. e-mail me for my snail-mail address.",misc.forsale 1639," I wouldn't think so. Asking people to trust a secret algorithm seems unsound to me.",sci.crypt 1640,"For some time I've been thinking about the possiblity of starting a group where scientific articles can be published (or perhaps just summaries). Possible advantages would be: * Free disribution * Fast acceptance * Online discussion between authers and readers This would be possible with one group with a moderator for publishing the articles and one perhaps without for discussion. The best thing would be if all the articles would be in a standard format which would make it possible to print or view the documents camera ready. Perhaps Postscript or Rich Text Format? But how do you start a new group? Anyone interrested?",sci.electronics 1641," I would also be interested in the application here. I work with a Dance and Technology program, and want to build something to track dancers on a 30 foot wide stage from 50 feet away. Could make for some interesting choreography... light and sound could be controlled directly by the position of a dancer on stage, or by the number of dancers on stage. Neat. You could even build a spotlight that follows the dancer around on stage! Can you tell us more about what you're doing? Sounds like a very cool program.",sci.electronics 1642,"I have a Powerbook 170 4/40 that is over 1 year old with no warranty but, in perfect condition (with original Apple fax/modem), that I would consider selling you for around a $1000. Get back to me with what you think would be equitable arrangements (sp?). Have all manuals and system disks, some software in boxes and loaded, but threw out the Mac packaging. -ts- --- * Origin: hp NEMESIS ph (23:303/1)",misc.forsale 1643," ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Amazing. And I thought only California got April.",rec.motorcycles 1644,"Rejoice! The Streets of Amerika are much safer now that the Branch Davidians no longer have those nasty assault weapons. Your children will no longer lie awake at night wondering when the next Brand Davidian will attempt to shoot them from their rural compound. Men, women, and children have been murdered by our great BATF, but the greater good has been secured for all.",talk.politics.misc 1645,"==================================================== H H A RRRRR RRRRR IIIII SSSS H H A A R R R R I S HHHHHH AAAAA RRRRR RRRRR I SSSS H H A A R R R R I S H H A A R R R R IIIII SSSS ==================================================== Harris Semiconductor now has AnswerFAX. AnswerFAX is on-line 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, so you can instantly receive datasheets and application notes by using your touch-tone telephone and FAX machine. The number to call is (407) 724-3818. (It is not set up to do international calls at this time.) The general decision tree for the AnswerFAX is as follows, the numbers are the available selections: Welcome to Harris Semiconductors AnswerFAX | ---------------------------------------- | | 1 2 | | Select 1 if you Select 2 for an are familiar with explanation of AnswerFAX. AnswerFAX | | |--------------------------------------| | | | -------------------------------- | | 1 2 | | Select 1 to order Select 2 for a a document (the list of catalogs: document list is 1 New Products in the catalogs, 2 Linear Products get them first) 3 Data Acquisition Products | 4 Digital Signal Processing Products | 5 Discrete Power and Intelligent | Power Products | 9 Application Notes | | | | Select appropriate document Select Appropriate Catalog | | | | Do you want to order Do you want to order anything else? If yes, anything else? If yes, you will be taken back you will be taken back to the selection decision. to the selection decision. | | | | -------------------------------- | | | What is phone number for your FAX? | | What is your name? (request the instructions) | | END Bill Werner ",sci.electronics 1646,"Can anyone around here point me to information regarding STEREOSCOPIC images? I believe I saw some at a show room in Texas (Lone Star Illusions) and they were amazing. I've now heard that they were created with a simple graphic program. Does anyone have any of these images digitized?? I really want to find a out as much as I can..",comp.graphics 1647,"1) Lucas film 2) Pixar 3) 3D/Eye Inc. 4) Light & Magic",comp.graphics 1648," Tell me are you really this stupid, or are you just pretending. A fire insurance is not an offensive weapon. A spare tire is not an offensive weapon. How should one deal with a man who is convinced that he is acting according to God's will, and who there- Jokke fore believes that he is doing you a favour by stabbing you in the back?",talk.religion.misc 1649,"BIOLOGICAL ALCHEMY ( ANOTHER Form of COLD FUSION ) ( ALTERNATIVE Heavy Element Creation in Universe ) A very simple experiment can demonstrate (PROVE) the FACT of ""BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS"" (reactions like Mg + O --> Ca, Si + C --> Ca, K + H --> Ca, N2 --> CO, etc.), as described in the BOOK ""Biological Transmutations"" by Louis Kervran, [1972 Edition is BEST.], and in Chapter 17 of the book ""THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS"" by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, 1973: (1) Obtain a good sample of plant seeds, all of the same kind. [Some kinds might work better that others.] (2) Divide the sample into two groups of equal weight and number. (3) Sprout one group in distilled water on filter paper for three or four weeks. (4) Separately incinerate both groups. (5) Weigh the residue from each group. [The residue of the sprouted group will usually weigh at least SEVERAL PERCENT MORE than the other group.] (6) Analyze quantitatively the residue of each group for mineral content. [Some of the mineral atoms of the sprouted group have been TRANSMUTED into heavier mineral elements by FUSING with atoms of oxygen, hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, etc..] BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS occur ROUTINELY, even in our own bodies. Ingesting a source of organic silicon (silicon with carbon, such as ""horsetail"" extract, or radishes) can SPEED HEALING OF BROKEN BONES via the reaction Si + C --> Ca, (much faster than by merely ingesting the calcium directly). Some MINERAL DEPOSITS in the ground are formed by micro- organisms FUSING together atoms of silicon, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, etc.. The two reactions Si + C <--> Ca, by micro-organisms, cause ""STONE SICKNESS"" in statues, building bricks, etc.. The reaction N2 --> CO, catalysed by very hot iron, creates a CARBON-MONOXIDE POISON HAZARD for welder operators and people near woodstoves (even properly sealed ones). Some bacteria can even NEUTRALIZE RADIOACTIVITY! ALL OF THESE THINGS AND MORE HAPPEN, IN SPITE OF the currently accepted ""laws"" of physics, (including the law which says that atomic fusion requires EXTREMELY HIGH temperatures and pressures.) ""BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS, And Their Applications In CHEMISTRY, PHYSICS, BIOLOGY, ECOLOGY, MEDICINE, NUTRITION, AGRIGULTURE, GEOLOGY"", 1st Edition, by C. Louis Kervran, Active Member of New York Academy of Science, 1972, 163 Pages, Illustrated, Swan House Publishing Co., P.O. Box 638, Binghamton, NY 13902 ""THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS"", by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, 1973, 402 Pages, Harper & Row, New York [Chapters 19 and 20 are about ""RADIONICS"". Entire book is FASCINATING! ] For more information, answers to your questions, etc., please consult my CITED SOURCES (the two books). UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. ",sci.space 1650,"Someone please help me. I am searching to find out (as many others may) an absolute 'cure' to removing all detectable traces of marijuana from a persons body. Is there a chemical or natural substance that can be ingested or added to urine to make it undetectable in urine analysis. If so where can these substances be found. If you know this information, please Email me directly Thank You Kindly for your support, ",sci.med 1651,"I just got a copy of spice 5.2. I would like to know if there are any published books on the market yet and where I could get one. I would appreciate any help. Thank You",sci.electronics 1652," Remember me, Tom? I hope you'll respond, and I seem to be a Voice of Reason or some such (I've been recieving fan mail, so naturally my ego is somehwat inflated of late), and hope to make a few points here. And our argument is that you cannot remove them from the people who need restricting and not remove them from the people who don't. A fairly simple problem, given our size and numbers. Do you agree? We all believe criminals, particularly violent criminals, should not have firearms. The problem is making a law that does this without trodding upon the rights of the vast majority. Nobody here seems to be able to do it, and I doubt anybody in Norway can either. Thus, we are left with a philosophical difference: does the safety of a few justify restricting the many? We say ""no,"" while others say ""yes."" Can you provide a method that cannot be abused? I doubt it. Of course. This is not in contention. What is in contention is how much one has to pay. It is this ""giving a little"" that makes Americans wary... We have seen this argument before. You might remember how a Chamberlain ""gave a little"" to a particular fascist/short asshole, and how such ""appeasement"" worked. While it might work in some instances, it doesn't work in others, and since we cannot predict the future we must be cautious in using actions that have a history of failure. Cars are not essential in Norway any more than they are in the USA. I'm willing to bet that you have neighbors that would be willing to drive you anywhere you wanted to go for a price. Thus, cars are not essential for your transportation. However, the arguments presented show that, since cars are used to kill far more people than guns in the USA, it makes much more sense to restrict cars than it does guns. How one defines ""essential"" often depends upon what one is willing to go through for that service. When we look at the raw data, such comparisons are not individually weighed. This depends upon what the populace was willing to do. As Desert Storm proved, even an armed populace won't just revolt even when given a chance. Still, would Hitler have done all that he did with an armed populace? We have to wonder, as some of his first acts were to confiscate firearms. Other points in history show that dictators were overthrown by arms in the hands of the populace. Thus, we're left wondering if Hitler would have been overthrown or if King George was just unlucky in keeping the USA as a colony. One can argue both sides; one also has to live with each action. It is about #2, but so far all proposals to curtail #2 have wound up enforcing #1 as well. I only wish that ""or"" was so logical. That was, on my part, purely in jest. I merely pointed out how we were from similar backgrounds racially, but of wholly different backgrounds politically. I thought this would underscore my point on how our cultures were so different despite similar heritage. BATF can *only* enforce gun/tobaccco/alcohol violations. Child abuse is a matter for the individual states and local authorities. That hierarchy is a paid-for feed at many sites. Most people do not get it for this reason, and I suspect money, not censorship, is the main reason. Do you get alt.sex* at your site? I can't read it here because of censorship and legal fears, so again our differences show. You have topless sunbathing, and in the USA we can watch a murder every fifteen seconds and yet breasts are forbidden on television.",talk.politics.guns 1653,"Sorry if this is a FAQ but : ""Where can I get a 286 (16 bit) version of POV-Ray ? "" Any help would be greatly appreciated. I need the 286 version since Turbo Pascal won't let me run a 32 bit program from within my program. Any info on this would also be a great help. Thanks, Byron. bkidd@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au B.Kidd@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au -- ",comp.graphics 1654,"I'm trying to compile xftp which uses the Xw widget set and I'm having problems. We're using Motif and X11R5 and it seems that my version of the Xw stuff was only ported to R3. Are there patches out to port this to R5 (or a newer port altogether)?? Or perhaps a newer port of xftp for use with R5?? Thanks in advance. ",comp.windows.x 1655,"The White House Office of the Press Secretary --------------------------------------------------------------- For Immediate Release April 23, 1993 Background Information: Advancing U.S. Relations with Russia and the other New Independent States April 23, 1993 At the Vancouver summit, President Clinton and President Yeltsin agreed to pursue a number of measures designed to implement an economic and strategic partnership between the U.S. and Russia. Since then, President Clinton has directed that a number of steps be taken to move this process forward. The Administration is announcing a number of steps today in order to underscore its deep commitment to a new and closer partnership with Russia based on its government's commitment to reform. Executive Review of Cold War Laws President Clinton and President Yeltsin discussed the desirability of reviewing and updating U.S. laws and regulations to reflect the end of the Cold War. Congress has already acted to revise many laws to reflect the fact that a communist Soviet Union has been replaced by a democratic Russia and other independent states. However, many laws and regulations remain that contain language and restrictions that fail to reflect the end of the Cold War and that unnecessarily undermine relations with Russia and the other new independent states. The President today has ordered an Executive review of laws and regulations so that, where appropriate and consistent with U.S. security and other national interests, such provisions can be revised or removed. He has asked Ambassador-at-large Strobe Talbott to coordinate this review on an expedited basis. The President has indicated that he will welcome congressional efforts to help this review proceed as quickly as possible. This review will weigh all considerations that pertain to revision of such provisions, and the initiation of the review may help to remedy some of the circumstances that have justified such provisions in the past. For example, because the Russians are eager to have their status changed under the Jackson-Vanik legislation, President Yeltsin personally assured President Clinton in Vancouver that he would look into individual cases involving continuing restrictions on emigration from Russia. By addressing such issues, this review can help strengthen the bonds of trust and partnership between the U.S. and Russia, and between the U.S. and the other new independent states. Review of COCOM It is also time to consider expeditiously with America's allies the future of another Cold War institution -- the Coordinating Committee for Multilateral Export Controls (COCOM). The United States has begun a thorough review of how to reorient export controls to the post-Cold War world, in which Russia is no longer viewed as a potential adversary, but as a potential ally in combatting the proliferation of sensitive technology. Steps to Improve the Security Relationship The President also has taken steps to move ahead on a range of efforts discussed in Vancouver that can strengthen U.S. security and improve our security relationship with the Russians and the other states. Accelerated Deactivation of Nuclear Weapons In Vancouver, the two Presidents discussed accelerating the process of deactivating nuclear strategic systems scheduled for elimination under the START I Treaty. President Clinton has directed the Department of Defense to complete this process well in advance of the seven year reduction period outlined in START I. In addition, the United States, together with Russia and the other relevant states of the former Soviet Union, will be exploring programs under Nunn-Lugar to help them to accelerate this process. Multilateral Test Ban The two Presidents agreed at Vancouver that negotiations on a multilateral nuclear test ban should commence at an early date, and that the two governments would consult with each other accordingly. The United States looks forward to beginning consultations with Russia, our allies, and other states, on the specific issues related to this negotiation. The United States expects to start this consultative process within the next two months. Detargeting The two Presidents also began a dialogue on the issue of nuclear targeting at Vancouver. As the United States and Russia move into a new relationship of strategic partnership, there is a need to reexamine many of the assumptions and means employed in the past to safeguard U.S. security against a nuclear adversary. The Administration is beginning a comprehensive review of measures that could enhance strategic stability, including recent proposals for detargeting nuclear missiles. Other Measures to Create a New Security Relationship In response to the incident involving a collision between US and Russian submarines last month, Secretary Aspin will be ready to discuss ways to avoid such incidents in the future with Russian Defense Minister Grachev during his visit to the United States in late May. Secretary Aspin will also be prepared to move forward with Defense Minister Grachev in May to develop a combined training program between our two military forces and to prepare for joint exercises in peacekeeping, such as that authorized by the UN Security Council. The United States looks forward to broadening such training and exercises to include other peacekeeping contributors, in order to improve inter-operability, readiness, and planning for multilateral peacekeeping operations. The US and Russia are working together to convene a May Ministerial Meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss proposals for enhancing the UN's peacekeeping capability and to move consideration of the Secretary-General's Agenda for Peace from the discussion to the implementation phase. The U.S. is also working with the Russians to focus specifically on improvements in the financing and management of UN operations. The purpose of these initiatives will be to cooperate on peacekeeping for our participation in UN or CSCE sponsored actions. Multilateral and Bilateral Partnership with Reform Finally, the Administration continues to move ahead on a range of initiatives aimed at striking a partnership with economic and political reformers throughout Russia and the other states. The Administration is continuing work with our G-7 partners to assemble the package of multilateral assistance that Secretaries Bentsen and Christopher recently negotiated in Tokyo. And the Administration is continuing consultation with Congress over the further efforts the U.S. will take to assist the process of reform in Russia and the other states. * * * The Administration believes these steps can increase American security while improving the relationship between the U.S. and Russia, and between the U.S. and the other new independent states.",talk.politics.misc 1656," Yes I have written something that creates meshed fractal terrain surfaces for exactly the purpose you require, importing into 3D modelling packages. Be warned, the data content is high and brings many packages to their knees. We use it primarily for MicroStation but it exports DXF, as well as other formats, so you should be OK. You can get it from my FTP mirror site in the US. It is wuarchive.wustl.edu my stuff is located in the mirrors/architec directory. Please FTP the README file first. -- Paul D Bourke School of Architecture, Property, Planning pdbourke@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz The University of Auckland Ph: +64 -9 373 7999 x7367 Private Bag 92019 Fax: +64 -9 373 7410 Auckland, New Zealand",comp.graphics 1657," It is 'Serdar', 'kocaoglan'. Just say so. The SUNDAY TIMES 8 March 1992 Morgues fill as Azeris head for all-out war ------------------------------------------- Thomas Goltz, the first to report the massacre by Armenian soldiers in the worst violence since the breakup of the Soviet Union, reports from Agdam ------ Khojaly used to be a barren town, with empty shops and treeless dirt roads. Yet it was still home to thousands of people who, in happier times, tended fields and flocks of geese. Last week it was wiped off the map. ....... As sickening reports trickled in to the Azerbaijani border town of Agdam, and the bodies piled up in the morgues, there was little doubt that Khojaly and the stark foothills and gullies around it had been the site of the most terrible massacre since the Soviet Union broke apart. ....... I was the last Westerner to visit Khojaly. That was in january and people were predicting their fate with grim resignation. Zumrut Ezoya, a mother of four on board the helicopter that ferried us into the town, called her community ""sitting ducks, ready to get shot"". She and her family were among the victims of the massacre on February 26. ....... ""The Armenians have taken all the outlying villages, one by one, and the government does nothing."" Balakisi Sakikov, 55, a father of five, said. ""Next they will drive us out or kill us all,"" said Dilbar, his wife. The couple, their three sons and three daughters were killed in the assault, as were many other people I had spoken to. ...... ""It was close to the Armenian lines we knew we would have to cross. There was a road, and the first units of the column ran across then all hell broke loose. Bullets were raining down from all sides. we had just entered their trap."" The azeri defenders picked off one by one. Survivors say that Armenian forces then began a pitiless slaughter, firing at anything moved in the gullies. A video taken by an azeri cameraman, wailing and crying as he filmed body after body, showed a grizzly trail of death leading towards higher, forested ground where the villagers had sought refuge from the Armenians. ""The Armenians just shot and shot and shot,"" said Omar Veyselov, lying in hospital in Agdam with sharapnel wounds. ""I saw my wife and daughter fall right by me."" People wandered through the hospital corridors looking for news of the loved ones. Some vented their fury on foreigners: "" Where is my daughter, where is my son ?"" wailed a mother. ""Raped. Butchered. Lost."" Azerbaijan has said as many as 1,000 refugees were killed as they tried to flee. The Armenians have denied this, saying the civilians were caught in ""crossfire"". ....... Are you idiot for real? 'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?' (Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy), ""The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi"", p. 213.) You must be the only moronian left on the net to believe those ASALA/SDPA/ARF forgeries. What a clown... 'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them and in whatever circumstances you find them. Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)[1] [1] M. Varandian, ""History of the Dashnaktsutiun,"" p. 85. Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 1658,"FULL 1993 CALDER CUP PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND RESULTS home team in CAPS *=if necesary FIRST ROUND Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins Gm 1: Springfield 3 PROVIDENCE 2 Gm 2: Springfield 5 PROVIDENCE 4 Gm 3: Providence 3 SPRINGFIELD 2 Gm 4: Providence 9 SPRINGFIELD 0 Gm 5: Springfield 4 PROVIDENCE 2 Gm 6: 4/24 Providence at Springfield Gm 7: 4/27 Springfield at Providence * CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings Gm 1: ADIRONDACK 6 CDI 2 Gm 2: ADIRONDACK 5 CDI 3 Gm 3: Adirondack 3 CDI 0 Gm 4: Adirondack 3 CDI 1 (ADIRONDACK WINS SERIES, 4-0) Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers Gm 1: Baltimore 4 BINGHAMTON 3 Gm 2: BINGHAMTON 6 Baltimore 2 Gm 3: Binghamton 8 BALTIMORE 3 Gm 4: 4/24 Binghamton at Baltimore Gm 5: 4/26 Baltimore at Binghamton Gm 6: 4/28 Binghmaton at Baltimore * Gm 7: 4/30 Baltimore at Binghamton * Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans Gm 1: Utica 3 ROCHESTER 2 (OT) Gm 2: ROCHESTER 9 Utica 3 Gm 3: Rochester 6 UTICA 4 Gm 4: Rochester 4 UTICA 3 (OT) Gm 5: 4/24 Utica at Rochester Gm 6: 4/26 Rochester at Utica * Gm 7: 4/28 Utica at Rochester * Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs Gm 1: St JOHN'S 4 Moncton 2 (at Halifax) Gm 2: ST JOHN'S 3 Moncton 2 (at Halifax) Gm 3: St John's 6 MONCTON 5 Gm 4: MONCTON 5 St John's 4 (OT) Gm 5: 4/26 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax Gm 6: 4/28 St John's at Moncton * Gm 7: 4/30 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax * Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens Gm 1: FREDERICTON 4 Cape Breton 3 (2OT) Gm 2: Cape Breton 5 FREDERICTON 2 Gm 3: CAPE BRETON 3 Fredericton 0 Gm 4: CAPE BRETON 6 Fredericton 5 (OT) Gm 5: 4/24 Cape Breton at Fredericton Gm 6: 4/26 Fredericton at Cape Breton * Gm 7: 4/28 Cape Breton at Fredericton * (note about this series: the AP reports that CB has won this series 4-1, but in the original schedule, Game 5 wasn't supposed to be until tonight and I only have the Oilers as being up 3-1)",rec.sport.hockey 1659,"A friend of mine needs spec for a used hard drive he just got: It is a Western Digital, IDE, 340 meg with 1010 cylinders and 12 heads. We believe the model number is wd2340A, but we can't be sure. It is a 12 ms, 3.5"" model. Any info would be appreciated, either from somone who knows, or maybe western digitals phone number",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1660,"+>[My problem] turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 +>carb. I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws +>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that +>on the screws inside of a carb. At least it was roadside +>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time. + +Gee, I always figured that it was the loose screws on/in the _rider_ +that were most likely to cause any problems. Did you check for that +at the same time? That is very true. However, screws have been loose on this rider for quite some time, so they had been taken into account. ____________________________________________________________________________ Russian Roulette is fun 5 out of 6 times",rec.motorcycles 1661,"Resinfo (research and information) is currently seeking contact _IN_ the United Kingdom with researchers of 'phenylanine', or is this amino acid uninspiring?",sci.med 1662," Now, almost 100 years later, we have the right words for the problem here. Phone calls are ""virtual visits"". Those experienced in virtual reality would know from that title that phone calls need to have all the properties of a walk in the park with your friend -- security from casual overhearing and easy verification to see if anyone is listening secretively. As designed, they fail at that. ..trouble is, telephones were invented a long time ago and people didn't realize the danger or the concept of virtual reality back then. ",sci.crypt 1663," ""Liberate"" is the way an invader describes an invasion, including, if I'm not mistaken, the Iraqi liberation of Kuwait. Never invaded Nicaragua? Only with more word games: can you say ""send in the Marines?"" Oh, good: word games. If you let the aggressor pick the words, there's scarcely ever been a reprehensible military action. That's a convenient technique, much seen on alt.atheism: define those who disagree with you according to a straw-man extreme that matches virtually nobody. Very noble and patriotic. I'm sure the fine young Americans who carpet-bombed Iraqi infantry positions from over the horizon, destroyed Iraq's sewer and water infrastructure from the safety of the sky or further, or who bulldozed other Iraqi infantry into their trenches [or more importantly the commanders who ordered them to] were just thrilled to be risking death (if not risking it by much) in the defense of the liberty of ... well, wealthy Kuwaitis. Can't have those oil-fields under a tyrant's heel if that tyrant is antagonistic to US interests... Having pigeon-holed ""peace-niks"" (in this context, ""people who disagree with me about the conduct of the Gulf War"") into ""peace-at-all-cost-hitler-supporting-genocide-abetting-wimps"", you can now express righteous indignation when ""they"" refuse to fit this mold and question the conduct of the war on legitimate terms. HOW DARE THEY! Yes, hypocrisy indeed! Those violent peace-niks! (Care to list an example here?) Wow: instant '80's nostalgia! [Of course, ""peace-nik"" itself is a '50's Cold War derogatory term equating those who promote pacifism with Godless Pinko Communists]. Yes indeed, I felt my freedoms mightily threatened by Iraq... ",alt.atheism 1664," Point 1: I'm beginning to see that *part* of the disagreements about the whole ""yeast issue"" is on differing perceptions and on differing meanings of words. Medical doctors have a very specific and specialized ""jargon"", necessary for precise communication within their field (which I'm fully cognizant of since I, too, speak ""jargonese"" when with my peers). For the situation in sci.med, many times the words or phrases used by doctors can have a different and more specific meaning than the same word used in the world at large, causing significant miscommunication. One example word, and very relevant to the yeast discussion, is the exact meaning of ""systemic"". It is now obvious to me that the meaning of this word is very specific, much more so than its meaning to a non-doctor. There is also the observation of this newsgroup that both doctors and non-doctors come together on essentially equal terms, which, when combined with the jargon issue, can further fan the flames. This is probably the first time that practicing doctors get really ""beat up"" by non-doctors for their views on medicine, which they otherwise don't see much of in their practice except for the occasional ""difficult"" patient. Point 2: I understand the viewpoint among many practicing doctors that they will not prescribe any treatments/therapies for their patients unless such treatments have been shown to be effective and the risks understood from well-constructed clinical trials (usually double-blind), or that such treatments/therapies are part of an approved and funded clinical trial. To these doctors, to do any differently would, in this belief system, be unethical practice. And it follows that any therapy not on the ""accepted"" list is therefore a non- therapy - it does not even exist, nor does the underlying hypothesis or theory have any validity, even if it sounds very plausible by extrapolation of what is currently known. Anecdotal evidence has no value, either, from a treatment point-of-view. And by and large, as a scientist myself, I am glad that medical practice/ science takes such a rigorous approach to medical treatment. However, as also being a human being (last I checked), and having been one of those people that has been significantly helped by a currently unaccepted treatment, where ""standard"" medicine was not able to help me, has caused me to sit back and wonder if holding such an extreme and rigid ""scientific"" viewpoint is in itself unethical from humanitarian considerations. After all, the underlying intent of the ""scientific"" approach to medicine is to protect the health of the patient by providing the best possible care for the patient, so the patient should come first when considering treatment. What we need is a slightly modified approach to treatment that satisfies both the ""scientific"" and the ""humanitarian"" viewpoints. In an earlier post I outlined a crazy idea for doing just that. The gist of it was to give any physician freedom and encouragement by the medical community to prescribe alternate, not yet proven therapies (maybe supported by anecdotal evidence) for patients who *all* avenues of accepted therapies have been exhausted (and not until then). The patient would be fully informed that such therapies/treatments are not supported by the proper clinical trials and that there are real potential risks with real possibilities of no benefit derived from them. This approach satisfies the need for scientific rigor. It also satisfies the humanitarian needs of the patient. And the reality is that many patients who have reached a dead-end in the treatment of their symptoms using accepted medicine *will* go outside the orthodox medical community: either to the doctors who are brave enough to prescribe such treatments at the risk of losing their license, or worse, to non-doctors who have not had the proper medical training. This approach also recognizes this reality and keeps the control more within orthodox medicine, with the benefits that the information gleaned could help focus limited resources towards future clinical trials in the most productive way. Everybody wins in this admittedly rose-colored approach - I'm sure there are real problems with this approach as well - it is presented more as a strawman to stimulate discussion. Hopefully what I write here may give the sci.med doctors a better idea as to why I am ""open"" to alternative therapies, as well as why I have real difficulty (read ""apparent hostility"") with the ""coldness"" of the 99.9% pure ""scientific"" approach to medicine. I believe the best approach to medical treatment is one where both the ""humanitarian"" aspects are balanced with and by the ""scientific"" aspects. Anything else is just not good medicine, imho. Just my 'NF' leanings, I guess. :^) Comments? Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club.",sci.med 1665," Sorry Charles...According to the National Safety Council, ACCIDENT FACTS,1991 ""In 1990, gun accidents were the fifth-leading cause of accidental death for children ages 14 and under."" That thinking is so screwed up, I don't even know how to respond to it. A rational person would concentrate on motor vehicle deaths, and not attempt to affect childhood falls, drownings, gunshot injuries, etc.???????????????? So this so called rational person, (using your definition), if he or she were attempting to affect the leading causes of deaths for adults aged 25 through 64 would only worry about cancer, and would not try to decrease LESSER CAUSES such as heart disease, injuries, stroke, suicide, liver disease, chronic lung disease, homicide, HIV infection, or diabetes. Oh, okay Charles, that makes a lot of sense. I tell you what Charles, I'll call the Heart Foundation and suicide hotlines and tell them that they are not acting rational and that they can all go home because they are addressing the LESSER CAUSES of death. And you call your local police homicide department, liver foundation and diabetes foundation and tell them to stop addressing these lesser causes. Please, quit wasting my time with this silly shit Charles. I've got an idea Charles, why don't you start a talk.politics.caraccidents group or talk.politics.fall group? This is talk.politics.guns. Don't confuse the issue. Just because a social problem may not claim as many victims as another, we should not try to address it? I don't agree. I'm not posting to t.p.g to debate the supposed severity of causes of childhood deaths. I am really getting frigging sick of having to respond to the irrational statements of people who assume that someone who wants to discuss youth gun violence or unintentional youth gun deaths is trying to make a political issue out of it. Again Charles, you tend to confuse the issue and take things out of context for your own purposes. The statement that you responded to above is actually in reference to a previous post by another person who, like you, expressed concern over making youth gun violence a priority. I guess, maybe Humane person and Rational person could be interchangeable huh? Both would be defined as ""a person who only addresses the social problem that causes the greatest number of childhood deaths."" If that is the case, I'm extremely glad that I am inhumane and irrational. Sorry Charles, the FBI Uniform Crime Report is WELL known for misrepresenting the facts. But if you insist, according to the 1990 UCR, ""Firearm murders of youngsters 19 and under increased 125 percent between 1984 and 1990"" Is the National Center for Health Statistics good enough for you? They state that ""Every day, 12 American children ages 19 and under are killed in gun accidents, suicides, and homicides. Many more are wounded"". Or how about the National Pediatric Trauma Registry? They say ""Gunshot wounds to children ages 16 and under nearly doubled in major urban areas between 1987 and 1990."" Do you also doubt the American Academy of Pediatrics Charles??? They state that ""Gunshot wounds among children in urban areas increased 300% from 1986 to 1988."" Charles, I hope you don't need to be convinced that youth are increasingly victims of gun injuries and that they have easy access to guns. If you don't realize this fact, (I don't care if you go by CDC or FBI data, or if you go into the homes, schools, and streets where these kids are and take a poll by yourself), I'm not going to bother to try to convince you. Its obvious that you have ruled out any idea of discussing this issue in a sane fashion and that you are so focused on trying to make this a gun control and political discussion. I really don't want to do that. Charles, it's obvious that you know nothing about the CDC. They don't just study cancer and heart disease. I've got news for you, interpersonal gun violence IS an epidemic. In 1984, Surgeon General C. Everett Koop declared that gun violence is as much a public health problem as cancer, heart disease, or auto accidents. WHO THE F**K SAID ANYTHING ABOUT TEACHING CHILDREN TO SAFELY HANDLE FIREARM CHARLES??? In the future, if you are going to post to t.p.g and jump into a previous discussion, please read the entire posting, not just 1 sentence that you decide to respond to. What the hell are you saying here??? You're wasting time and space trying to make a political and gun control issue out of a discussion that isn't. Charles buddy, I'm getting really tired of this. Do you live on the planet Mars??? As a physicist, I realize that you probably don't come into contact with many youth, but I REALLY think you need to make a trip to your local urban high school and discover the joy of guns in schools. In addition spend a few minutes talking to these kids. Ask them if they have ever heard gunshots in their neighborhoods, whether they know anyone who has been shot, whether they know anyone who has a gun, whether they have ever held a gun, and whether they themselves have ever been shot. Believe me Charles, THAT will be your *INDEPENDENT* VERIFICATION.",talk.politics.guns 1666,"AHL PLAYOFF SCORES-- FIRST ROUND (home team in CAPS) ================================ GAMES PLAYED ON TUES, 4/20 ------------------------- Rochester 6 UTICA 4 Fredericton at Cape Breton SERIES STATI (plural of status? :) ---------------------------------- Adirondack leads CDI, 3-0 Providence tied w/Springfield, 2-2 Binghamton tied w/Baltimore, 1-1 Rochester leads Utica, 2-1 St John's leads Moncton, 2-0 Cape Breton tied w/Fredericton, 1-1",rec.sport.hockey 1667,"I am trying to setup two Seagate Tech. hard drives as master and slave in the same system... what i need to do such is the jumper schematics of the two hard drives that i have... my two Seagate HD: ST3144A, 124MB ST3283A, 233MB I need the jumpter setting schematics for these two Harddrives... thanx for you help in advance...",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1668,"Hi, I have been told by a local sales that Asante has come out with this LCIII PDS Ethernet adapter with an optional 68882 socket on the board. My question is will the FPU performance degrade will I put the 68882 on the PDS card socket instead of on the motherboard itself? Intuitively, the math co-processor should always be placed close to the CPU, but I am not sure how good Apple's so-called processor-direct slot is when it comes to throughout. Does anyone know the answer to this or have any experience with the Asante LCIII Ethernet adapter? Thanks in advance. Andy",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1669," We would like to keep it that way. Thats the point. By reacting strongly and forcefully now, we will assure that we continue to remain free. You cannot overreact to a threat like this. The worst that happens if we overreact is that we waste time and effort. The worst that happens if we underreact is tyranny. I prefer overreaction myself. Doesn't that tell you how precious and hard to maintain freedom is? Only through centuries of overreaction have we managed to maintain ourselves in this state of even moderate freedom. I suggest that overreacting now and in the future is a good thing. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com",sci.crypt 1670," ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Not unreasonable, since the SMARTDRV packaged with DOS 6 is version 4.1. Make sure that all your drivers (HIMEM, EMM386, SMARTDRV) are being executed from the DOS directory. Loss of the cache provided by SMARTDRV could be your problem; if not, I don't know what might cause the startup delay. My testbed for DBLSPACE (which has a *very* minimal amount of data on the disk so that I don't eat up too much time as I install and uninstall DBLSPACE) boots in about 20 seconds from the ""Starting MS-DOS"" herald to the end of the AUTOEXEC.BAT execution. I don't have handy a system with a more realistic volume of data to time.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1671," But it IS made false by your ridiculous leap of logic from ""monogamous homosexual male sex is so rare"" (which is a load of horseshit--as proportionately many queers are monogamous as hets, and the ones who aren't use condoms, for the most part) to ""for practical purposes, homosexuality spreads AIDS."" No. Unprotected sex with an infected partner spreads AIDS. These ""practical purposes"" you speak of are obviously the purposes of spreading homophobia, which leads me to an interesting truth: ""Cramer spreads hate."" Isn't that nice? You mean, ""Typical homosexual response to Clayton E. Cramer."" I think any human being would react that way to someone as contemptibly hateful as you, actually. I seem to hear the same sort of thing coming from your posts, you know.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Planning to make this a complete sentence anytime soon? Drewcifer",talk.politics.misc 1672,"930425 Let's start with the name ""Rosicrucian"". I took me a long time to come to the conclusion that there is a difference between a *member* of a ""rosicrucian"" body and BEING *a* ROSICRUCIAN. So when you say that you met some 'rosicrucians' you mean ""members of a group that calls themselves rosicrucian"". At least that is what your observation suggests :-) Response: This makes much sense to me. This is also true of most religions. There is a difference between being a *member* of a group of people who call themselves 'Hindus' or 'Christians' or 'Pagans' and actually *BEING* any of these. The social groups tend to make very important requirements about not belonging to other 'religions'. I find that the ideal described by the holy texts of most religions can be interpreted in very similar ways so that one could presume that 'mysticism' is the core of every religion and Huxley's 'Perennial Philosophy' is the Great Secret Core of all mystical trads. :> Tony: I'd prefer if you would have stated up front that it was the Lectorium Rosicrucianum, only because they may be confused, by some readers of this newsgroup, with the Rosicrucian Order AMORC based (the USA Jurisdiction) in San Jose, CA; this being the RC org with the most members (last time I looked). Of course, ""most members"" does not *necessarily* mean ""best"". Response: Certainly true. I didn't know there WERE any groups which called themselves 'Rosicrucians' that didn't associate with AMORC. Sure, I've heard all the hubbub about the Golden Dawn and Rosae Crucis in relation to all these Western esoteric groups, but hadn't heard about other 'Rosicrucians'. I'll admit my bias. I live in San Jose. :> Tony: ""You'll have to trust me"" when I tell you that if that lecture/class/whatever had been presented by AMORC, it is unlikely that you would have had the same impression, i.e., you'd probably have had a positive impression more likely than a negative one, IMHO. Response: This may be slightly off. I've met some of these Rosicrucians and have a couple friends in AMORC. The stories I've heard and the slight contact I've had with them does not give me the hope that I'd be received with any kind of warm welcome. I still like to think that most people who are involved with stratified relationships (monogamy, religion, etc.) are in DEEP pain and hope to heal it within such a 'cast'. Tony: It is curious to know that 3 other RC 'orders' (in the USA) claim to be *non- sectarian*. Response: I'd like to know at least the addresses of the 'other orders' which call themselves 'Rosicrucians' and especially those which are 'nonsectarian'. Is this 'nonsectarian' like the Masons, who require that a member 'believe in God by his/her definition'? Tony: I don't see nothing *fundamentally* wrong with ""us containing something divine""... And yes I don't like phrases like ""eternal bliss"" either! :-) Response: Let alone us *BEING* something divine. ;> Tony: BTW, I have read the intro letters of the LRC which they will mail you free of charge. Response: Addresses, phone numbers of groups? I'm into networking. Thanks. ",talk.religion.misc 1673,"JG> After this fall, I believe IBM no longer has any rights to JG> view Microsoft code. After that, the only way to maintain JG> some sort of compatibility is to reverse-engineer. Would JG> you want to reverse-engineer an OLE2 application? Don't they retain Windows NT OEM status? If so, that gives them NT source code, and since Windows is headed toward NT... (Win32S, Win32C) * SLMR 2.1a * --T-A+G-L-I+N-E--+M-E-A+S-U-R+I-N-G+--G-A+U-G-E-- ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1674," On the news from radio station KANU (Lawrence, KS) about 6:15 this Monday morning, I heard someone with a nasal-sounding voice (supposedly the Waco coroner?) claim that he had found TWO persons killed with a single shot to the forehead. --Myron.",talk.politics.guns 1675," Of course, then there's the other side. An article in yesterday's Atlanta Journal stated that there are many scientists who have misgivings that the data being used to determine whether or not global warming is occuring is faulty. The point that the article made is that all long term temperature dataa collected has been in urban areas, and that any heat rise can be attributed to the growth and urbanization of the area. They called it the ""asphalt temperature trend"". We have no real long term data on remote areas, such as the middle of the Amazon rain forest, or the top of Mt. Everest or the Gobi desert, for that matter. An accompanying article mentioned that a group of scientists at NASA had developed a method for using a satellite to collect temperature data globally, and that preliminary results showed a slight downward trend attributed to the Mt Pinatubo eruption. It went on to say that even with the current downward trend, there appeared to be *NO* change in global temperatures using trend prediction methods for at least the next 50 years. I can quote the article verbatim if you like..",talk.politics.misc 1676,"I've heard that in California they ask you to swear without any mention of a god. What states actually include ""god"" in the courtroom oath? ",alt.atheism 1677,"The simplest and cheapest soft UV bulb is an AR-1 argon bulb (or other argon bulb). It works like a neon bulb except it glows purple. It will cause stuff to fluoresce. It requires very little power, just a battery, an oscillator, and a step-up transformer to about 100 volts.",sci.electronics 1678,"The Isles picked one hell-of-a-time to get their first win all year after being down after 2 periods. The Caps seemed to have the game in hand playing steady defense and getting great goaltending from Tabaracci. The Isles power play philosophy continues to be dump-and-chase which, except for boardaholics like Flatley, doesn't work against the Caps. I hope Al realizes this!! They have too many talented finesse players, so why not carry the puck in and set-up??? If last night's game is any omen, the Isles could be on their way to that ole championship form; COMING from behind late in a game. My advice to the Caps is to pounce on those Healy Rebounds. Flatley showed alot of heart by playing the last period and overtime despite an almost swollen-shut left eye injury suffered at the hands of Dale Hunter. Ray Ferraro has arrived just in time for the playoffs showing the fiesty hustle that us Islander fans remember from an Italian from the past; JOHN TONELLI!!! It was Tonelli who won a similar game against the PENS in game 5 on the 82 playoffs. The Isles scored two late third period goals to send the game into OT tied at 3. In OT, Tonelli scored the game winner to send the Isles to the next round. The Isles have lacked this tenacity for years, but perhaps its BACK! It was good to see the Coliseum packed just like the ole days!!! Good luck to the Isles the rest of the way!!!!! John Scialdone SCIALDONE@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV",rec.sport.hockey 1679,"On Tuesday, when it was raining in Chicago, ESPN provided bonus hockey coverage. Now it seems as though some fans are ticked off that the NY-Wash OT was replaced with the Angels-?? game. People must realize that there are more baseball fans instead of hockey fans in the U.S The baseball game was scheduled to air and advertisers money was paid so they can't skip the baseball game. Why don't you people CHILL OUT and enjoy whatever coverage you can get.",rec.sport.hockey 1680,,None 1681," So, you approve of the BATF launching a 100-person raid, complete with flack jackets, men hidden in horse trailers, stun grenades, semi-auto weapons on peaceful citizens? who would also accept a search authoried by a court? There is still no proof that the Branch Davidians had illegal weapons. Nothing else was in the jurisdiction of the BATF, unless they were thought to have a still, or be smoking untaxed cigarettes. The automatic firearms violation is a TAX matter ! You don't serve no-knock warrants on someone with .50 CAL MGs. It isn't necessary (they can't flush a machine gun down a toilet, you know), and it isn't smart (if you are right, you got a good chance of getting blown away. if you are wrong, you shouldn't have done it.) The stupidity was indeed related to this. But the stupidity may have been to attempt to serve the warrant by ludicrously over-armed, over-protected and over-confident gestapo. Escalation isn't automatically brilliant. IT WAS A TAX MATTER ! YOU CAN""T FLUSH MGs DOWN THE TOILET ! YOU DON""T NEED NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR EVERYTHING. Actually, IMHO nothing justifies them, but that is another argument . There wasn't any murder of police officers. There was probable cause to arrest them for murder perhaps. We US citizens are innocent until proven guilty. There also wasn't any killing until the BATF screwed up real bad. Lew",talk.politics.misc 1682," Well, there were 27 outs in a row with no hits or walks in between, but really, he only retired 26 batters in a row. The first out of the game was the front end of a double play. Still counts as a back-end perfect game in my book, though. Congrats to Chris Bosio. Too bad the Brewers couldn't hold on to him.",rec.sport.baseball 1683,"*****************[ SNES Games For Sale ]***************** Home Alone 2 $35 Star Fox $42 Will trade for a good condition copy (must have box & docs) of one of the following (SNES ONLY): Prince of Persia GODS Batman Returns Super Turrican Cybernator ********************************************************* - All prices include shipping. - All games are in excellent condition unless otherwise stated. - US buyers only please. - All games will be shipped inside a box with packing priority USPS. - All games include all original materials including box, manual, etc. The first responder offering asking price is guarenteed to get the game. Those just asking questions get no priority until they offer to buy the game. Lower offers may be considered assuming no other offers at asking price are made. ********************************************************** ",misc.forsale 1684,,None 1685,,None 1686," no its not. its due to the fact that there are two issues here: Religion and religion. religion is personal belief system. Religion is a memetic virus. people loudly proclaiming their beliefs are crossing the border from religion -> Religion. people that want to ""save"" others are firmly entrenched in Religion (""memoids""). rule #1 of not practicing Religion is to shut the fuck up, unless you discuss it politely. this means that the motive behind the conversation is not only your self-gratifying wish to spread the word. religion is something that ultimately comes from within a person, and reflects their value judgements. Religion is something that is contracted from others and does not reflect the persons value judgements (other than perhaps ""i think i'll be brainwashed today""). Religion is a drug... i believe you can discuss religion. however, the post that started this off was not intented as discussion, it was more a proclamation of someones Religion.",alt.atheism 1687,"SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!! JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!! * Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith. * The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide. * General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth edition. Big Book! Very good condition! * Solutions manual for Chemistry book. Paperback. * Study guide for Chemistry book. Paperback. Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu ",misc.forsale 1688,"Thanx Craig.... in addition to Craigs coments - and to clear up any further confusion.... the 200SX (of USA) was reffered to as a Silvia Turbo in the UK.... performance figures of UK 200SX are:",rec.autos 1689," My sentiments exactly... which is why I'm unsubbing from this group. This is the 3rd 'christian' discussion list I have ever belonged to and once again I'm being chased away by the strife, anger, discontent, lies, et al . As Paul (Saul) said, 'I come to preach Christ, and Him crucified' Don't let the simple beauty of faith in God get overshadowed by heady theological discussions or thousands of lines of post-incarnation trappings of some church. As for the atheists/agnostics who read this list: if you aren't christian and if you have no intention of ever becoming one why on earth do you waste your time and mine by participating on a christian discussion list ? I will continue to search for christian discussion (prayerful, spirit-filled, kind, humble, patient, etc.) in other circles. -- Sheila Patterson, CIT CR-Technical Support Group 315 CCC - Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 (607) 255-5388 ",soc.religion.christian 1690,"(Peter White) writes You've missed on very important passage. 2 Thess. 1:6-10 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed-- for our testimony to you was believed. Things to note from this passage. Unbelievers are both those who openly reject the gospel, and those who do not know God. The eternal destruction is the same as the eternal hope in 2:16. This distructions primarily emphasize that it is separation from the presence of God. THe context is speaking of the 2nd advent while 2:1 is speaking of the rapture. Don't confuse the two. Yet we have a far greater discription of hell that we do heaven. For instance, If this was like earthly fire that requires a gas producing substance to ignite. However, there seems to be a different type of fire as expressed in the burning bush that was not consumed. Also, the Daniel acct. shows that the laws of nature can be interupted even with earthly fire. Maybe you don't understand. There will be those who are alive at the end of the millenium, who will walk straight into the GWTJ. Even those who have died in their sin will be resurrected, i.e. reunited with their physical body, to receive condemnation. This is contrary to the teaching of Scripture. THis is conjecture at best if you are using it to support the ""no physical body"" thesis. The true awlfulness of hell, is that it is eternal separation from God, after having seen the glory of His presence at the GWTJ. But whether it was open rebellion against the revealed gospel of Christ or if it is not having known GOd (not saught Him as He is), then as Paul says, they are without excuss and that every mouth will be stopped. There will be no defense at the judgment seat of God. THerefore we understand ""it is appointed unto man once to die, and then comes judgment"" literally. just because it is horrific, doesn't make it less of a reality. it should compel those of us who have the riches of Christ to share it with others",soc.religion.christian 1691," Is HST really _that_ much heavier than a Spacelab ??? bd",sci.space 1692,"I know there's already a bmw mailing list, but since it's an R bike only list (and limited to the R80* R100* bikes as well I believe) I've decided to give this a go and see how much interest there is. please read all of this post if you plan on subscribing to the list! there is only one restriction for the discussion on this list, that it be about BMW's. I don't care which BMW, any and all are welcome. I will probably post articles that appear in the local BMW club newsletter, and would incourage other club members to do the same, especially tech articles. to subscribe to the list, send a message to the list address: bmw@rider.cactus.org with the word SUBSCRIBE (in caps) in the *subject* of the message. having the word SUBSCRIBE in the *subject* is the _only_ way to subscribe. if you put the keyword in the message body, your message will go out to everyone on the list and you will be ridiculed beyond belief. ** your From: line must have a valid return address ** ** the list sw will use the address in your From: line ** if you would like to use a return address _other_ than what is contained in your From: line, do not send mail to the list! send a note directly to me (joe@rider.cactus.org) and I'll take care of it manually. the list sw will hack up the outgoing message From: line so that your original full name in ()'s is preserved, but the return address is replaced with the mailing list address (bmw@rider.cactus.org). this allows you to simply reply to a message to keep it on the list (depending on your mail interface natch. I use elm so that's what I wrote it for :-). keep this in mind when you reply to a message and question the authors parentage. to remove your name from the list, send a message to the list address with the word UNSUBSCRIBE (in caps) in the *subject* of the message. having the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the *subject* is the _only_ way to remove your name from the list. if you put the keyword in the message body, your message will go out to everyone on the list and you will be ridiculed beyond belief. the list is run from my home system, a poor little 286 box running a very old version of something that smells somewhat like unix. the MTA isn't the smartest around, but I've managed to hack it up enough to make a decent list MTA. additions and removals are handled automatically by scripts that intercept messages based on the subject (see below) and may occassionally goof. the sw will send a response message back when you subscribe. if you do not receive a response within a reasonable amount of time (my link is via UUCP and sometimes runs in spurts), send me a message (joe@rider.cactus.org) and I'll look into it. if the list turns out to be too popular and the MTA groks over the number of addresses, I'll have to freeze the list recipients until I can come up with a better MTA. good luck... ",rec.motorcycles 1693,"Using a Windows 3.1 printer driver, I would like to ""print to a file"", with output as a Postscript file. Later, I would like to take this Postscript file to a machine with an attached Hewlett Packard 4M laser printer, and print the document at 600 dots per inch resolution. I would like to use this method to print from WordPerfect For Windows, and from an image processing program that can output images in Postscript. Here's the problem: the Windows Postscript printer driver (pscript.drv) doesn't allow me to specify 600 dpi. In fact, the setup dialog for this driver does have a pull-down menu for ""resolution"", but the only choice given in the menu is 300! Not a really useful menu. Any ideas?",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1694,"------------- cut here ----------------- Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 +------------------------------------------------+ ! ! ! Health Info-Com Network ! ! Medical Newsletter ! +------------------------------------------------+ Editor: David Dodell, D.M.D. 10250 North 92nd Street, Suite 210, Scottsdale, Arizona 85258-4599 USA Telephone +1 (602) 860-1121 FAX +1 (602) 451-1165 Compilation Copyright 1993 by David Dodell, D.M.D. All rights Reserved. License is hereby granted to republish on electronic media for which no fees are charged, so long as the text of this copyright notice and license are attached intact to any and all republished portion or portions. The Health Info-Com Network Newsletter is distributed biweekly. Articles on a medical nature are welcomed. If you have an article, please contact the editor for information on how to submit it. If you are interested in joining the automated distribution system, please contact the editor. E-Mail Address: Editor: Internet: david@stat.com FidoNet = 1:114/15 Bitnet = ATW1H@ASUACAD LISTSERV = MEDNEWS@ASUACAD.BITNET (or internet: mednews@asuvm.inre.asu.edu) anonymous ftp = vm1.nodak.edu Notification List = hicn-notify-request@stat.com FAX Delivery = Contact Editor for information :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S 1. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR [23 April 1993] Rates of Cesarean Delivery ........................... 1 Malaria Among U.S. Embassy Personnel ................................. 5 FDA Approval of Hib Vaccine for Children/Infants ..................... 8 2. Dental News Workshop Explores Oral Manifestations of HIV Infection ............... 11 3. Food & Drug Administration News FDA Approves Depo Provera, injectable contraceptive .................. 14 New Rules Speed Approval of Drugs for Life-Threatening Illnesses ..... 16 4. Articles Research Promises Preventing/Slowing Blindness from Retinal Disease .. 18 Affluent Diet Increases Risk Of Heart Disease ........................ 20 5. General Announcments Publications for Health Professionals from National Cancer Institute . 23 Publications for Patients Available from National Cancer Institute ... 30 6. AIDS News Summaries AIDS Daily Summary for April 19 to April 23, 1993 .................... 38 7. AIDS Statistics Worldwide AIDS Statistics ............................................ 48 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page i Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Rates of Cesarean Delivery -- United States, 1991 ================================================= SOURCE: MMWR 42(15) DATE: Apr 23, 1993 Cesarean deliveries have accounted for nearly 1 million of the approximately 4 million annual deliveries in the United States since 1986 (Table 1). The cesarean rate in the United States is the third highest among 21 reporting countries, exceeded only by Brazil and Puerto Rico (1). This report presents data on cesarean deliveries from CDC's National Hospital Discharge Survey (NHDS) for 1991 and compares these data with previous years. Data on discharges from short-stay, nonfederal hospitals have been collected annually since 1965 in the NHDS, conducted by CDC's National Center for Health Statistics. For 1991, medical and demographic information were abstracted from a sample of 274,000 inpatients discharged from 484 participating hospitals. The 1991 cesareans and vaginal births after a prior cesarean (VBAC) presented in this report are based on weighted national estimates from the NHDS sample of approximately 31,000 (11%) women discharged after delivery. The estimated numbers of live births by type of delivery were calculated by applying cesarean rates from the NHDS to live births from national vital registration data. Therefore, estimates of the number of cesareans in this report will not agree with previously published data based solely on the NHDS (2). Stated differences in this analysis are significant at the 95% confidence level, based on the two-tailed t-test with a critical value of 1.96. In 1991, there were 23.5 cesareans per 100 deliveries, the same rate as in 1990 and similar to rates during 1986-1989 (Table 1). The primary cesarean rate (i.e., number of first cesareans per 100 deliveries to women who had no previous cesareans) for 1986-1991 also was stable, ranging from 16.8 to 17.5. In 1991, the cesarean rate in the South was 27.6, significantly (p<0.05) higher than the rates for the West (19.8), Midwest (21.8), and Northeast (22.6). Rates were higher for mothers aged greater than or equal to 30 years than for younger women; in proprietary hospitals than in nonprofit or government hospitals; in hospitals with fewer than 300 beds than in larger hospitals; and for deliveries for which Blue Cross/Blue Shield * and other private insurance is the expected source of payment than for other sources of payment (Table 2). The same pattern characterized primary cesarean deliveries. Since the early 1970s, the number and percentage of births to older women increased; however, if the age distribution of mothers in 1991 had remained the same as in 1986, the overall cesarean rate in 1991 would have been 23.3, essentially the same as the 23.5 observed. Based on the NHDS, of the approximately 4,111,000 live births in 1991, an HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 1 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 estimated 966,000 (23.5%) were by cesarean delivery. Of these, an estimated 338,000 (35.0%) births were repeat cesareans, and 628,000 (65.0%) were primary cesareans. Since 1986, approximately 600,000 primary cesareans have been performed annually. In 1986, 8.5% of women who had a previous cesarean delivered vaginally, compared with 24.2% in 1991. Of all cesareans in 1991, 35.0% were associated with a previous cesarean, 30.4% with dystocia (i.e., failure of labor to progress), 11.7% with breech presentation, 9.2% with fetal distress, and 13.7% with all other specified complications. The average hospital stay for all deliveries in 1991 was 2.8 days. In comparison, the hospital stay for a primary cesarean delivery was 4.5 days, and for a repeat cesarean, 4.2 days -- nearly twice the duration for VBAC deliveries (2.2 days) or for vaginal deliveries that were not VBACs (2.3 days). In 1986, the average hospital stay for all deliveries was 3.2 days, for primary cesareans 5.2 days, for repeat cesareans 4.7 days, and for VBAC and non-VBAC vaginal deliveries 2.7 and 2.6 days, respectively. Reported by: Office of Vital and Health Statistics Systems, National Center for Health Statistics, CDC. Editorial Note: The cesarean rate in the United States steadily increased from 1965 through 1986; however, the findings in this report indicate that rates have been stable since 1986 (3). Because there is little evidence that maternal and child health status has improved during this time and because cesareans are associated with an increased risk for complications of childbirth, a national health objective for the year 2000 (4) is to reduce the overall cesarean rate to 15 or fewer per 100 deliveries and the primary cesarean rate to 12 or fewer per 100 deliveries (objective 14.8). Postpartum complications -- including urinary tract and wound infections -- may account in part for the longer hospital stays for cesarean deliveries than for vaginal births (5). Moreover, the prolonged hospital stays for cesarean deliveries substantially increase health-care costs. For example, in 1991, the average costs for cesarean and vaginal deliveries were $7826 and $4720, respectively. The additional cost for each cesarean delivery includes $611 for physician fees and $2495 for hospital charges (6). If the cesarean rate in 1991 had been 15 (the year 2000 objective) instead of 23.5, the number of cesarean births would have decreased by 349,000 (617,000 versus 966,000), resulting in a savings of more than $1 billion in physician fees and hospital charges. Despite the steady increase in VBAC rates since 1986, several factors may impede progress toward the year 2000 national health objectives for cesarean delivery. For example, VBAC rates substantially reflect the number of women offered trial of labor, which has been increasingly encouraged since 1982 (7). Of women who are offered a trial of labor, 50%-70% could deliver vaginally (7) --a level already achieved by many hospitals (8). Trial of labor was routinely offered in 46% of hospitals surveyed in 1984 (the most recent year for which HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 2 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 national data are available) (9) when the VBAC rate (according to NHDS data) was 5.7%. The year 2000 objective specifies a VBAC rate of 35%, based on all women who had a prior cesarean, regardless of whether a trial of labor was attempted. To reach the overall cesarean rate goal, however, increases in the VBAC rate will need to be combined with a substantial reduction in the primary rate. One hospital succeeded in reducing the rate of cesarean delivery by applying objective criteria for the four most common indications for cesarean delivery, by requiring a second opinion, and by instituting a peer-review process (10). Other recommendations for decreasing cesarean delivery rates include eliminating incentives for physicians and hospitals by equalizing reimbursement for vaginal and cesarean deliveries; public dissemination of physician- and hospital-specific cesarean delivery rates to increase public awareness of differences in practices; and addressing malpractice concerns, which may be an important factor in maintaining the high rates of cesarean delivery (4). References 1. Notzon FC. International differences in the use of obstetric interventions. JAMA 1990; 263:3286-91. 2. Graves EJ, NCHS. 1991 Summary: National Hospital Discharge Survey. Hyattsville, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, CDC, 1993. (Advance data no. 227). 3. Taffel SM, Placek PJ, Kosary CL. U.S. cesarean section rates, 1990: an update. Birth 1992;19:21-2. 4. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and disease prevention objectives -- full report, with commentary. Washington, DC: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS publication no. (PHS)91-50212. 5. Danforth DN. Cesarean section. JAMA 1985;253:811-8. 6. Hospital Insurance Association of America. Table 4.15: cost of maternity care, physicians' fees, and hospital charges, by census region, based on Consumer Price Index (1991). In: 1992 Source book of health insurance data. Washington, DC: Hospital Insurance Association of America, 1992. 7. Committee on Obstetrics. ACOG committee opinion no. 64: guidelines for vaginal delivery after a previous cesarean birth. Washington, DC: American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, 1988. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 3 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 8. Rosen MG, Dickinson JC. Vaginal birth after cesarean: a meta-analysis of indicators for success. Obstet Gynecol 1990;76:865-9. 9. Shiono PH, Fielden JG, McNellis D, Rhoads GG, Pearse WH. Recent trends in cesarean birth and trial of labor rates in the United States. JAMA 1987;257:494-7. 10. Myers SA, Gleicher N. A successful program to lower cesarean-section rates. N Engl J Med 1988;319:1511-6. * Use of trade names and commercial sources is for identification only and does not imply endorsement by the Public Health Service or the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 4 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 Malaria Among U.S. Embassy Personnel -- Kampala, Uganda, 1992 ============================================================= SOURCE: MMWR 42(15) DATE: Apr 23, 1993 The treatment and prevention of malaria in Africa has become a challenging and complex problem because of increasing drug resistance. Although the risk of acquiring malaria for U.S. citizens and their dependents stationed overseas generally has been low, this risk varies substantially and unpredictably. During May 1992, the Office of Medical Services, Department of State (OMS/DOS), and CDC were notified of an increased number of malaria cases among official U.S. personnel stationed in Kampala, Uganda. A review of the health records from the Embassy Health Unit (EHU) in Kampala indicated that 27 cases of malaria were diagnosed in official personnel from March through June 1992 compared with two cases during the same period in 1991. EHU, OMS/DOS, and CDC conducted an investigation to confirm all reported malaria cases and identify potential risk factors for malaria among U.S. Embassy personnel. This report summarizes the results of the investigation. Malaria blood smears from 25 of the 27 reported case-patients were available for review by OMS/DOS and CDC. A case of malaria was confirmed if the slide was positive for Plasmodium sp. Of the 25 persons, 17 were slide- confirmed as having malaria. A questionnaire was distributed to all persons served by the EHU to obtain information about residence, activities, use of malaria chemoprophylaxis, and use of personal protection measures (i.e., using bednets and insect repellents, having window and door screens, and wearing long sleeves and pants in the evening). Of the 157 persons eligible for the survey, 128 (82%) responded. Risk for malaria was not associated with sex or location of residence in Kampala. Although the risk for malaria was higher among children aged less than or equal to 15 years (6/32 19%) than among persons greater than 15 years (11/94 12%), this difference was not significant (relative risk RR=1.6; 95% confidence interval CI=0.6-4.0). Eighty-two percent of the cases occurred among persons who had been living in Kampala for 1-5 years, compared with those living there less than 1 year. Travel outside of the Kampala area to more rural settings was not associated with increased risk for malaria. Four malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens were used by persons who participated in the survey: mefloquine, chloroquine and proguanil, chloroquine alone, and proguanil alone. In addition, 23 (18%) persons who responded were not using any malaria chemoprophylaxis. The risk for malaria was significantly lower among persons using either mefloquine or chloroquine and proguanil (8/88 9%) than among persons using the other regimens or no prophylaxis (9/37 24%) (RR=0.4; 95% CI=0.2-0.9). Twelve persons not using prophylaxis reported side effects or fear of possible side effects as a reason. The risk for malaria was lower among persons who reported using bednets HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 5 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 all or most of the time (2/27 7%) than among persons who sometimes or rarely used bednets (15/99 15%) (RR=0.5; 95% CI=0.1-2.0). The risk for malaria was also lower among persons who consistently used insect repellent in the evening (0/16), compared with those who rarely used repellent (17/110 15%) (RR=0; upper 95% confidence limit=1.2). Risk for malaria was not associated with failure to have window or door screens or wear long sleeves or pants in the evening. As a result of this investigation, EHU staff reviewed with all personnel the need to use and comply with the recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens. EHU staff also emphasized the need to use personal protection measures and made plans to obtain insecticide-impregnated bednets and to provide window and door screens for all personnel. Reported by: U.S. Embassy Health Unit, Kampala, Uganda; Office of Medical Svcs, Dept of State, Washington, D.C. Malaria Br, Div of Parasitic Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases, CDC. Editorial Note: In Uganda, the increase in malaria among U.S. personnel was attributed to poor adherence to both recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens and use of personal protection measures during a period of increased malaria transmission and intensified chloroquine resistance in sub-Saharan Africa. The findings in this report underscore the need to provide initial and continued counseling regarding malaria prevention for persons living abroad in malaria-endemic areas -- preventive measures that are also important for short-term travelers to such areas. Mefloquine is an effective prophylaxis regimen in Africa and in most other areas with chloroquine-resistant P. falciparum; however, in some areas (e.g., Thailand), resistance to mefloquine may limit its effectiveness. In Africa, the efficacy of mefloquine, compared with chloroquine alone, in preventing infection with P. falciparum is 92% (1 ). Mefloquine is safe and well tolerated when given at 250 mg per week over a 2-year period. The risk for serious adverse reactions possibly associated with mefloquine prophylaxis (e.g., psychosis and convulsions) is low (i.e., 1.3-1.9 episodes per 100,000 users 2), while the risk for less severe adverse reactions (e.g., dizziness, gastrointestinal complaints, and sleep disturbances) is similar to that for other antimalarial chemoprophylactics (1). Doxycycline has similar prophylactic efficacy to mefloquine, but the need for daily dosing may reduce compliance with and effectiveness of this regimen (3,4). Chloroquine alone is not effective as prophylaxis in areas of intense chloroquine resistance (e.g., Southeast Asia and Africa). In Africa, for persons who cannot take mefloquine or doxycycline, chloroquine and proguanil is an alternative, although less effective, regimen. Chloroquine should be used for malaria prevention in areas only where chloroquine-resistant P. falciparum has not been reported. Country-specific recommendations for preventing malaria and information HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 6 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 on the dosage and precautions for malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens are available from Health Information for International Travel, 1992 (i.e., ""yellow book"") (5) or 24 hours a day by telephone or fax, (404) 332-4555. References 1. Lobel HO, Miani M, Eng T, et al. Long-term malaria prophylaxis with weekly mefloquine in Peace Corps volunteers: an effective and well tolerated regimen. Lancet 1993;341:848-51. 2. World Health Organization. Review of central nervous system adverse events related to the antimalarial drug, mefloquine (1985-1990). Geneva: World Health Organization, 1991; publication no. WHO/MAL/91.1063. 3. Pang L, Limsomwong N, Singharaj P. Prophylactic treatment of vivax and falciparum malaria with low-dose doxycycline. J Infect Dis 1988;158:1124-7. 4. Pang L, Limsomwong N, Boudreau EF, Singharaj P. Doxycycline prophylaxis for falciparum malaria. Lancet 1987;1:1161-4. 5. CDC. Health information for international travel, 1992. Atlanta: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1992:98; DHHS publication no. (CDC)92-8280. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 7 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 FDA Approval of Use of a New Haemophilus b Conjugate Vaccine and a Combined Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis and Haemophilus b Conjugate Vaccine for Infants and Children ================================================================== SOURCE: MMWR 42(15) DATE: Apr 23, 1993 Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) conjugate vaccines have been recommended for use in infants since 1990, and their routine use in infant vaccination has contributed to the substantial decline in the incidence of Hib disease in the United States (1-3). Vaccines against diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis during infancy and childhood have been administered routinely in the United States since the late 1940s and has been associated with a greater than 90% reduction in morbidity and mortality associated with infection by these organisms. Because of the increasing number of vaccines now routinely recommended for infants, a high priority is the development of combined vaccines that allow simultaneous administration with fewer separate injections. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently licensed two new products for vaccinating children against these diseases: 1) the Haemophilus b conjugate vaccine (tetanus toxoid conjugate, ActHIB Trademark), * for vaccination against Hib disease only and 2) a combined diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and whole-cell pertussis vaccine (DTP) and Hib conjugate vaccine (TETRAMUNE Trademark), a combination of vaccines formulated for use in vaccinating children against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, and Hib disease. ActHIB Trademark On March 30, 1993, the FDA approved a new Haemophilus b conjugate vaccine, polyribosylribitol phosphate-tetanus toxoid conjugate (PRP-T), manufactured by Pasteur Merieux Serum et Vaccins and distributed as ActHIB Trademark by Connaught Laboratories, Inc. (Swiftwater, Pennsylvania). This vaccine has been licensed for use in infants in a three-dose primary vaccination series administered at ages 2, 4, and 6 months. Previously unvaccinated infants 7-11 months of age should receive two doses 2 months apart. Previously unvaccinated children 12-14 months of age should receive one dose. A booster dose administered at 15 months of age is recommended for all children. Previously unvaccinated children 15-59 months of age should receive a single dose and do not require a booster. More than 90% of infants receiving a primary vaccination series of ActHIB Trademark (consecutive doses at 2, 4, and 6 months of age) develop a geometric mean titer of anti-Haemophilus b polysaccharide antibody greater than 1 ug/mL (4). This response is similar to that of infants who receive recommended series of previously licensed Haemophilus b conjugate vaccines for which efficacy has been demonstrated in prospective trials. Two U.S. efficacy trials of PRP-T were terminated early because of the concomitant licensure of other Haemophilus b conjugate vaccines HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 8 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 for use in infants (4). In these studies, no cases of invasive Hib disease were detected in approximately 6000 infants vaccinated with PRP-T. These and other studies suggest that the efficacy of PRP-T vaccine will be similar to that of the other licensed Hib vaccines. TETRAMUNE Trademark On March 30, 1993, the FDA approved a combined diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and whole-cell pertussis vaccine (DTP) and Haemophilus b conjugate vaccine. TETRAMUNE Trademark, available from Lederle-Praxis Biologicals (Pearl River, New York), combines two previously licensed products, DTP (TRIIMMUNOL Registered, manufactured by Lederle Laboratories Pearl River, New York) and Haemophilus b conjugate vaccine (HibTITER Registered, manufactured by Praxis Biologics, Inc. Rochester, New York). This vaccine has been licensed for use in children aged 2 months-5 years for protection against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, and Hib disease when indications for vaccination with DTP vaccine and Haemophilus b conjugate vaccine coincide. Based on demonstration of co mparable or higher antibody responses to each of the components of the two vaccines, TETRAMUNE Trademark is expected to provide protection against Hib, as well as diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis, equivalent to that of already licensed formulations of other DTP and Haemophilus b vaccines. The Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommends that all infants receive a primary series of one of the licensed Haemophilus b conjugate vaccines beginning at 2 months of age and a booster dose at age 12- 15 months (5). The ACIP also recommends that all infants receive a four-dose primary series of diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine at 2, 4, 6, and 15-18 months of age, and a booster dose at 4-6 years (6-8). A complete statement regarding recommendations for use of ActHIB Trademark and TETRAMUNE Trademark is being developed. Reported by: Office of Vaccines Research and Review, Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, Food and Drug Administration. Div of Immunization, National Center for Prevention Svcs; Meningitis and Special Pathogens Br, Div of Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases, CDC. References 1. Adams WG, Deaver KA, Cochi SL, et al. Decline of childhood Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) disease in the Hib vaccine era. JAMA 1993;269:221-6. 2. Broadhurst LE, Erickson RL, Kelley PW. Decrease in invasive Haemophilus influenzae disease in U.S. Army children, 1984 through 1991. JAMA 1993;269:227-31. 3. Murphy TV, White KE, Pastor P, et al. Declining incidence of Haemophilus influenzae type b disease since introduction of vaccination. JAMA HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 9 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 1993;269:246-8. 4. Fritzell B, Plotkin S. Efficacy and safety of a Haemophilus influenzae type b capsular polysaccharide-tetanus protein conjugate vaccine. J Pediatr 1992;121:355-62. 5. ACIP. Haemophilus b conjugate vaccines for prevention of Haemophilus influenzae type b disease among infants and children two months of age and older: recommendations of the Immunization Practices Advisory Committee (ACIP). MMWR 1991;40(no. RR-1). 6. ACIP. Diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis -- recommendations for vaccine use and other preventive measures: recommendations of the Immunization Practices Advisory Committee (ACIP). MMWR 1991;40(no. RR-10). 7. ACIP. Pertussis vaccination: acellular pertussis vaccine for reinforcing and booster use -- supplementary ACIP statement: recommendations of the Immunization Practices Advisory Committee (ACIP). MMWR 1992;41(no. RR-1). 8. ACIP. Pertussis vaccination: acellular pertussis vaccine for the fourth and fifth doses of the DTP series -- update to supplementary ACIP statement: recommendations of the Immunization Practices Advisory Committee (ACIP). MMWR 1992;41(no. RR-15). * Use of trade names and commercial sources is for identification only and does not imply endorsement by the Public Health Service or the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 10 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dental News :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: International Workshop Explores Oral Manifestations of HIV Infection NIDR Research Digest written by Jody Dove March 1993 National Institute of Dental Research At the Second International Workshop on the Oral Manifestations of HIV Infection, held January 31-February 3 in San Francisco, participants explored issues related to the epidemiology, basic molecular virology, mucosal immunology, and oral clinical presentations of HIV infection. The workshop was organized by Dr. John Greenspan and Dr. Deborah Greenspan of the Department of Stomatology, School of Dentistry, University of California, San Francisco. An international steering committee and scientific program committee provided guidance. The conference drew more than 260 scientists from 39 countries, including Asia, Africa, Europe, Central America, South America, as well as the United States and Canada. Support tor the workshop was provided by the National Institute of Dental Research, the National Cancer Institute, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the NIH Office of AIDS Research, and the Procter and Gamble Company. Among the topics discussed were: the epidemiology of HIV lesions; ethics, professional responsibility, and public policy; occupational issues; provision of oral care to the HIV-positive population; salivary HIV transmission and mucosal immunity; opportunistic infections; pediatric HIV infection; and women's issues. Recommendations Recommendations emerged from the workshop to define the association between the appearance of oral lesions and rate of progression of HIV, to establish a universal terminology for HIV-associated oral lesions, to look for more effective treatments for oral manifestations, to expand molecular biology studies to understand the relationship between HIV infection and common oral lesions, and to study the effects of HIV therapy on oral lesions. Epidemiology Since the First International Workshop on Oral Manifestations of HIV Infection was convened five years ago, the epidemiology of HIV infection has HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 11 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 radically changed. In 1988, HIV infection was detected and reported largely in homosexual and bisexual males, intravenous drug users, and hemophiliacs. Today, more HIV infection is seen in heterosexual males and females and in children and adolescents. While the predominant impact of HIV infection has been felt in Africa, a major increase in infection rate is being seen in Southeast Asia as well. Five hundred thousand cases have been reported to date in this region and more are appearing all the time. Researchers are continuing to document the epidemiology of oral lesions such as hairy leukoplakia and candidiasis. They also are beginning to explore the relationships between specific oral lesions and HIV disease progression and prognosis. Social/political Issues Discussion on the social and political implications of HIV infection focused on changing the public's attitude that AIDS is retribution for indiscriminate sexual behavior and drug use. Speakers also addressed health care delivery for HIV-infected patients, and the need to educate the public about what AIDS is, and how it is acquired. Saliva and Salivary Glands Conference speakers described transmission issues and the HIV-inhibitory activity of saliva, the strength of which varies among the different salivary secretions. Whole saliva has a greater inhibitory effect than submandibular secretions, which in turn have a greater inhibitory effect than parotid secretions. Research has shown that at least two mechanisms are responsible for salivary inhibitory activity. They attributed the HIV-inhibitory effect of saliva to the 1) aggregation/agglutination of HIV by saliva, which may both promote clearance of virus and prevent it reaching a target cell, and 2) direct effects on the virus or target cells. Other topics discussed were the manifestation of salivary gland disease in HIV-infected persons and current research on oral mucosal immunity. Pediatric Issues Pediatric AIDS recently has emerged as an area of intense interest. With early and accurate diagnosis and proper treatment, the life expectancy of HIV- infected children has tripled. The prevention of transmission of HIV from mother to child may be possible in many cases, particularly if the mother's sero-status is known prior to giving birth. Periodontal and Gingival Tissue Disease HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 12 Volume 6, Number 11 April 25, 1993 Oral health researchers continue to explore periodontal diseases and gingivitis found in individuals with HIV infection. Recommendations made at the workshop include the standardization of terminology, refinement of diagnostic markers, standardization of study design, and proper consideration of confounding variables resulting from periodontal therapy. Occupational and Treatment Issues Occupational issues surrounding the treatment of HIV-infected individuals and treatment rendered by HIV-infected health care professionals still command considerable attention. Factors under consideration include the cost/benefit of HIV testing, patient-to-health care provider transmission of HIV infection and the reverse, and the use of mainstream versus dedicated facilities for the treatment of HIV-infected patients. Conference participants anticipate that a third International Workshop on the Oral Manifestations of HIV Infection will be held in five years or less. Proceedings from the second workshop will be published by the Quintessence Company in late 1993. --------- end of part 1 ------------ ",sci.med 1695," [byteocide] You take two copies with a different registration id, compare them byte for byte and you know where they are located. Usually you will be able to find out what is what after that. And what keeps me form registering as John Doe from the company Public Domain, Yellow Brick Road 1, Tinseltown or something??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guido Klemans Internet: rcstage1@urc.tue.nl valid until 16 may 1993 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Listen very carefully, I will say this only ones.' Michelle of the resitance ",sci.electronics 1696," Yup, that was quite contemptuous of the President to make a decision that 12% disagree with...",talk.politics.misc 1697,"1989 Honda CRX DX, White w/Blue int. Original owner, 59,500 miles, mostly highway. Recent tune-up, new battery Oil changed every 3000 miles Kenwood high power cassette receiver, w/ 4 spkrs $6800 or best reasonable offer",rec.autos 1698,"I just donwloaded a *.bin file from a unix machine which is supposed to be converted to a MAC format. Does anyone know what I need to do to this file to get it into any Dos, Mac or Unix readable format. Someone mentioned fetch on the unix machine - is this correct? Could someone explain the .bin format a little? Thanks, Elizabeth -- ",comp.graphics 1699,"So, Mr. Salah is still claiming Stalin was a Jew? This thread began on SCA, when he and another guy claimed both Stalin and Lenin were Jews. When I posted evidence from books and the Britannica showing they were Christians, someone made the (correct) remark that Lenin's maternal grandfather was a Jew who converted to Christianity. To counter the fact that Stalin was a Christian who, during his youth, was trained to be a priest, Mr. Salah wrote ""yes, it says he was trained to be a priest, but not for what religion!"" (BTW, Stalin developed strong antisemitic feelings later in his life). Mr. Salah seems intent on trying to spread hate against Jews by posting antisemitic forgeries and trying to ""prove"" that certain notorious people were Jews, even if they were not. ",talk.politics.mideast 1700," DJ was a popular player in San Diego, Derek Bell was not faring well in the clubhouse at Toronto, so no matter how bad he looks now I still think it was a steal for the Jays just from the perspective of team chemistry. No statistic can describe it (sorry statheads) and since there are so many new faces in the clubhouse I think the Jays are still trying to find it. (Insert the same comment into the Jack Morris v. Clemens WS Ring string) Yet at first I was sad to see Derek go, still anticipating all of the talent they raved about at the beginning of last season. I'm glad to see him faring well for the Padres though. ",rec.sport.baseball 1701," Yes, it is possible. I'm making a 7 stepper controller board, with 7 digital inputs, and (up to) 18 digital outputs from the // port. One main thing that will tell you whether the // port is bi-directional or not is the bus tranceiver on it. Look for a chip numbered 74LS245. If you don't have this, then it's probably a 74LS244, which will do you NO good for reading in. Now, if you do have the '245 then do the following: First, find the address of the port, (decimal) either 888, or 632. In pascal, you would ""Write(Port[xxx]);"" where xxx is the address in either hex or decimal. The status lines, pins 14, 16, 17, as well as the strobe, pin 1, are bi-directional lines, and are read by base address +2, so for 888, to read from status, then read from 890. You can also output to these lines in the same fashion as to the data lines. In pascal, do ""Port[xxx]:=value "". Hope this helps. Let me know if you need more help. _________________________________________________ Inspiration | ___ | comes to | \ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca | those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca | seek the | /-\ =] Baden de Bari [= | unknown. | |",sci.electronics 1702,"-= PASTORTALK =- A weekly dialogue with a local pastor on the news of the day by Carl (Gene) Wilkes Startext: MC344578 CompuServe: 70423,600 Internet: 70423.600@compuserve.com -= THIS WEEK'S THOUGHTS =- Last week the Supreme Court refused without comment to hear an appeal by Rensselaer, IN, school officials desiring the distribution of Bibles in their public schools (REL65, 5/21). A lower court had banned the local Gideons, an international Bible- distribution group, from passing out Bibles to fifth-graders. The ACLU's Barry Lynn was quoted as saying that the court's action protected the ""religious neutrality of our public schools."" He also said that schools must serve students of ""all faiths and none."" Schools were not to be a ""bazaar where rival religious groups compete for converts,"" according to Lynn. Several Gideons, men who are responsible for putting Bibles in hospitals and hotels, are members of our church. They tell of similar stories where they are only allowed to distribute Bibles on sidewalks around the schools, but cannot go inside the schools. They tell of mild harassment by parents who do not want their children receiving a Bible from a stranger. They are willing to continue their work at a distance, but find the school's position somewhat disheartening. I understand rationally and logically the court's position. And, I can see the sense of fairness for all groups. But, on the other hand, when does ""neutrality"" become ""nihilism?"" When does plurality turn into no position at all? I see a couple of ironies here. One is that we can pass out condoms but not Bibles in our schools. Think on that one for a moment. The other is that while we are seeking ""religious neutrality"" in our schools, countries like Russia--who, by the way, practiced ""religious neutrality"" for the past seventy years--are making the Bible part of their public school curriculum. When I was in St. Petersburg in March, the church we worked with had trained over 100 public school teachers to teach the Bible, and the government had requested hundreds more! I recently heard a medical doctor who is president of the Gideon chapter in Moscow tell how they are eagerly invited to the University of Moscow to distribute Bibles to the students and are given class time to explain its contents. I remember seeing a photograph of this doctor holding a Bible and speaking to the university students standing under a statue of Lenin. Now, that's ironic! I admit two things: 1) We are a pluralistic society, and all faiths have equal footing. This is what our country was founded on. 2) To allow every group on school grounds could create a bazaar-like atmosphere. Each city must work to be inclusive of all religions and provide a hearing for them. 3)--I know I said two--The vitality of religious faith is not dependent upon whether or not the public arena acknowledges it as valid. However--and you knew this was coming--I believe, disallowing the distribution of the Bible by law-abiding, caring adults in our schools only signals once again our culture's movement away from a singular base from which we as individuals and as a nation can make moral and ethical decisions. What do you think? -= MAIL BOX =- (Let me know if you do not want me to print your letter or your name.) Good column [re: TIME coverstory about teen sexuality]; I agree with moral education from home, but some homes don't have the kinds of morals I want taught. One family I worked with smoked dope as their primary family activity. Another acted like incest was OK. Families, no matter where they are, are often a lot sicker than we'd like to believe. From: John Hightower, MC 407602 John, I agree that the ""home"" ain't what it used to be, and some homes are NOT the place to learn value-based sexuality. I still believe that this is where the church can come into play. I know, those families you speak of may not come to a church to seek information, but the help does not need to be in a church building...I believe that the youth from the families you mentioned will probably disregard the value-free information at school, too.",soc.religion.christian 1703," Wait a minute. The story being pushed here is that the fire started in ONE PLACE. This is not consistent with the story that they were TRAPPED by the fire (particularly in a building that all of a sudden had many more exits). Choose one, please. Well, for everyone besides Koresh and his blood children, we can assume independent choice: Ah, they chose to stay in the face of an assault which clearly endangered their lives. Or, alternatively, they were not permitted to leave. Choose one. ",talk.politics.guns 1704,"Announcing the Trincoll Journal Trinity College's Paperless Publication The Trincoll Journal is an interactive magizine written in Hypercard. This publication offers a wide variety of information concerning the ""Trinity Campus"", and the Greater Hartford Area. In addition the Journal also provides a unique forum for opinion and expression. We would like to invite the Internet community to participate in the creation of this publication by submitting Articles, Art Work, Events (for the Greater Hartford Area only), and anything else that you think is interesting, to the Journal each week. Articles may be written about anything as long as they are written well! We are also interested in mirroring Newsletters and other information not easily accessible to non-intensive Macintosh Users. The weekly deadline for submitting Materials is Wendsday 10:00pm (Eastern Standard Time). Please send all submissions to: Journal@mail.trincoll.edu To receive the Journal each Week send a mail message with the words ""Subscribe Journal"" as the subject line to: Journal@mail.trincoll.edu. Please include Full name and instituion in the body of text.",talk.politics.misc 1705,"Let me remind all of those Muslim-haters out there who like to mention the Mufti's cooperation with Germany as a reason to let Muslims be slaughtered everywhere in the world of the following facts: 1)Why blame the Muslims for what the Nazis did and FORGIVE ITALY, THE CROATS, AND MANY OTHER EUROPEANS FOR BEING REAL ALLIES TO HITLER? 2)Why blame Muslims for supporting Germany the enemy of their enemy at the time (Britain who colonized most of the middle east and was responsible for most atrocities against Muslims in the region) and FORGIVE GERMANY ITSELF EVENTHOUGH IT IS THE ONE WHO CREATED NAZISM? 3)As far as Muslims are concerned : THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NAZI GERMANY, AND ANTIMUSLIM COLONIALIST BRITAIN/FRANCE IN 1940. They were all racist, anti-arab, and full of arrogance and hate. WWII and the wars in ALgeria, Sudan, and other places proved that very clearly. Even anti- semitism was not more spread in Germany than in France or Britain, it just happened to be official policy in Germany. And we will forgive you, just set our countries free.",talk.politics.mideast 1706,"If by chance you answered my request for NEO Asteroids in the last two days please send them to me directly. I by mistake deleted instead of read all the space-request messages . Thanks and sorry. Harry G. Osoff Science & Technology Editor Access News Network",sci.space 1707,,None 1708,"I just removed an IDE drive and reformated two SCSI disk to use as boot disk in a system that did run Windows fine in 386 Enhanced Mode. Its a DX50 with 8 meg RAM, and an Adaptec 1542b with bios enabled. System runs fine and runs Windows in standard mode fine, but it returns to the DOS prompt when trying to run 386 mode. I've tried EMMExclude and SysROMBreakPoint. What gives?????? Thanks in advance, Hal",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1709," ... BadWindow is an X protocol error. If you write a custom error handler which does not do ""exit(1);"" the error handler will return and let your program carry on. So, using a XSetErrorHandler is the way to go, but never mind the longjmp. ",comp.windows.x 1710,"caching drive for?",None 1711," Prove it. I am an atheist. It doesn't mean I am for or against abortion. An obvious effect of homosexuality is non-procreation. That, unlike your statement, is a fact. Please prove that (a) homosexuality is defended as means of population control, (b) being atheist causes you to hold these beliefs. I defend homosexuality because (a) what people do with their bodies is none of my business (b) I defend the equal rights of all humans. Do you? Define values. Prove your statement. Prove your statement. Electrons are waves. Electrons are particles. I believe in both. I have physical proof of both. I have no proof of god(tm) only an ancient book. That is not indicative of the existence of a being with omnipotence or omnipresence. And, by your own argument, christians don't exist. First of all, your earlier statements have absolutely nothing to do with your question. Why did you post them? To show that athiests, besides not existing (your view), are more humane than christians/other religions? Secondly I am very much for the control of population growth. The logic that you cannot grasp indicates ignorance of contraception. But of course, this is 'outlawed' (sometimes literally) by religion since if it can't create more followers, it will die. I ",alt.atheism 1712,"Can anyone out there tell me the difference between a ""persistent"" disease and a ""chronic"" one? For example, persistent hepatitis vs chronic hepatitis.",sci.med 1713,"============================================================================== Could someone please tell me the Best FTP'able viewer available for MSDOS I am running a 486 33mhz with SVGA monitor. I need to look at gifs mainly and it would be advantageous if it ran under windows...........thanks ",comp.graphics 1714,": In light of recent events, it may soon become a very good idea : to include the ability to produce transparent, or at least non-obvious, : cyphertext in upcoming revisions. This won't help if the NSA/FBA axis requires all messages to undergo textual analysis and reduction to canonical form to eliminate concealed messages. After reading several National Computer Security Center documents, I'm convinced that they are already using this filter. DoubleplusgoodNOT. ",sci.crypt 1715,"For sale: Toshiba 3300SL notebook computer. Specs: 80386SL (64K cache) @ 25MHz, * 8MB * RAM, 80 meg 16ms IDE hard drive, 1.44meg floppy, 5.9 lbs w/ Nickle Hydride battery installed, edgelit greyscale VGA display, PS/2 mouse port, external keyboard port, 1 PCMCIA port, external expansion port, external VGA port, 1 serial, 1 parallel ports, socket for 80387SL numeric coprocessor (user-installable). Memory is expandable to 18meg. Voted Editor's Choice by PC Magazine. An expansion station is available from Toshiba; Axionics also makes one that is more economical. Power conservation options: User definable hard drive powerdown period, screen dimming, auto stepdown of CPU speed (to 12.5, 6 MHz) after definable interval, etc. Comments: Purchased locally at Micro Center in Columbus, OH 7 months ago. All original packaging, receipts, and manuals are included. Under warranty. The keyboard on this machine is the best I've seen; I prefer it to the keyboard on most desktop units. I typically get 3-4 hours of battery life. The battery recharges in 2 hours to full charge. The machine is quite speedy; I run OS/2 2.1beta on it currently and will leave this operating system installed unless you prefer MS-DOS 5.0 (included). I'll include a padded carrying case, also made by Toshiba. Price/terms: $1900 (semi-firm), certified check. If outside of Columbus, I will pay for COD shipping. Please respond with all queries to 'grichard@cis.ohio-state.edu' or call 614-261-0902.",misc.forsale 1716,"speaking of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin: Yes. For examples of this in the writings of the early fathers, consider: You alone and your Mother are more beautiful than any others; For there is no blemish in you, nor any stains upon your Mother. Who of my children can compare in beauty to these? -- St. Ephrem the Syrian, Nisibene Hymns, 27:8, around A.D. 370 Lift me up not from Sara but from Mary, a Virgin not only undefiled but a Virgin whom grace has made inviolate, free of every stain of sin. -- St. Ambrose, ""Commentary on Psalm 118"", 22:30, ca. A.D. 388 There are many others. No. We have, for instance: Was there ever anyone of any breeding who dared to speak the name of Holy Mary, and being questioned, did not immediately add, ""the Virgin""? ... And to Holy Mary, Virgin is invariably added, for that Holy Woman remains undefiled. -- St. Epiphanus of Salamis, ""Panacea against all heresies"", between A.D. 374-377. We surely cannot deny that you were right in correcting the doctrine about children of Mary ... For the Lord Jesus would not have chosen to be born of a virgin if He had judged that she would be so incontinent as to taint the birthplace of the Body of the Lord, home of the Eternal King, with the seed of human intercourse. Anyone who proposes this is merely proposing ... that Christ could not be born of a virgin. -- Pope St. Siricius, Letter to Anysius, Bishop of Thessalonica, A.D. 392 Note that St. Augustine's conversion to Christianity was in A.D. 387. I don't know offhand when his election as bishop of Hippo was, but I'm quite sure it was after 392. The belief in Mary's perpetual virginity originated long before Augustine's time. We hold that it originated with the Apostles. Strictly speaking, however, Mary's perpetual virginity is independent of her Immaculate Conception. Mary could have been Immaculately Conceived and not remained a virgin; she could have remained a virgin and not been Immaculately Conceived. No. It has been held in the Church since ancient times that original sin was transmitted at conception, when a person's life begins. Biology had nothing to do with it. Prayerfully reflecting on the truth of Mary's sinlessness, and the means by which God could have achieved this, the Church arrived at the truth of the Immaculate Conception. Thus, the Immaculate Conception is not a new doctrine, but the logical result of our understanding of two old ones. The celebration of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception itself was given by Pope Sixtus IV (1471-84) and the Feast was made a precept feast of the Church by Pope Clement XI (1700-21). No. First of all, Lourdes is private revelation, and doctrine is not based on private revelation. The most that private revelation can do is enhance and deepen our understanding of existing public revelation, which ended with the death of St. John the Apostle. Second, the ""case for the doctrine"" was irreformably sealed in 1854 with the ex cathedra promulgation of the Bull ""Ineffabilis Deus"" by Pope Pius IX. This meant that the doctrine was formally recognized as a dogma; a dogma, by definition, cannot change and is required to be believed by the faithful. The apparition at Lourdes happened in 1858, four years later. The most that might be claimed is that Lourdes gave the infallible proclamation of 1854 a sort of heavenly stamp of approval, but the Church has never claimed that, nor shall she. In Christ's Peace, Brad Kaiser (bradk@isdgsm.eurpd.csg.mot.com)",soc.religion.christian 1717,"jsn104 is jeremy scott noonan ",None 1718,"Recently I got a case of Hot Shots '93 cards. Unfortunately I had not planned on keeping all of them. I sort of got stuck with the case. (I'm not going to mention any names, though.) So, I am trying to sell off most or all (minus a set for myself). If you have any interest in a set, a box, or any singles, please let me know. The set has 250 cards. Each card features a great looking woman in various stages of dress. Some nude, semi-nude, lingerie, dressed. 99 percent are gorgeous, I feel. There are 4 subsets: Girl, Girl, Girls 1 through 9 Promo cards 251 through 259 (also numbered 1 of 9 through 9 of 9) Emperor's All-Stars 269 through 277 Stripping Empress 260 through 268 Also, I am supposed to be getting some holograms soon as well. Oh, and lastly, I have a very few error cards and a few cards that were originally intended to be used as card #1, but the company changed their mind. None of these cards are easy to get. Anyway, if you have some interest in any of these cards, please drop me a line, as I am most eager to sell a bunch off. Oh, and if you are interested, I also have 1 set of Hot Shots '92 left, and about 2 sets of California Dreaming cards as well. And lastly, I have promo cards for all of the cards I have mentioned, and holograms as well. Not a lot, though. John Heiden al166@cleveland.freenet.edu",misc.forsale 1719," Steve Tuttle was traded from the Blues to TB in the before the start of this season along with Pat Jablonski, for future considerations. He played for Milwaukee of the IHL, then got traded from TB to QUE along with Michel Mongeau. He's currently playing with Halifax of the AHL.",rec.sport.hockey 1720," Now where did I put my little red book? Or was that green? Jim",None 1721," Yep! I did one yesterday on my shaftie Vision... I should mention that I had a pillon that helped rotate the bike over :-) . The wheelie was the result of a necessarily agressive acceleration manouver through an intersection (damn San Antonio cagers tend to be REALLY bad drivers). However, I have done one by myself, it just takes a lot of pre-clutch dump rev action.",rec.motorcycles 1722,"HI I`m looking for some assistance in locating information on how to run win 3.1 on a CGA monitor. The setup suggests you look at the manual, but the guy I`m helping is part of a large office and computer assistance must be booked in advance, therefore he cant get windows onto his CGA system. Thanx in anticipation",comp.windows.x 1723,"Hello, Below I have the copy of some source I am using to setup a user-specified color- map for X R11 V4. I am attempting to create user defined colors in terms of RGB color ranges. The calls to XAllocColor prove ineffective. Variables are defined are as follows: int i, j, k, lut_index color_type min_image, max_image; color_type image Pixel_Value_Range, last_image, start, end, jump, lut [ 512 ]; unsigned long pixel; double red, green, blue; /* * Data structure used by color operations * typedef struct { unsigned long pixel; unsigned short red, green, blue; char flags; /-* do_red, do_green, do_blue *-/ char pad; } XColor; ***************/ XColor rgbcolor, hardwarecolor; With color_type defined as { double red, double green, double blue }. What I need to know is how to set [is it possible] the values in hardwarecolor to work within the call to XAllocColor: start.red = (int) 255 * min_image.red; /* 0..255 */ end.red = (int) 255 * max_image.red; /* 0..255 */ jump.red = (int) (( end.red - start.red ) / 7); start.green = (int) 255 * min_image.green; /* 0..255 */ end.green = (int) 255 * max_image.green; /* 0..255 */ jump.green = (int) (( end.green - start.green ) / 7); start.blue = (int) 255 * min_image.blue; /* 0..255 */ end.blue = (int) 255 * max_image.blue; /* 0..255 */ jump.blue = (int) (( end.blue - start.blue ) / 7); lut_index = 0; for (i=0; i<8; i++) for (j=0; j<8; j++) for (k=0; k<8; k++) { if ( i == 0 || jump.red < 1 ) lut [ lut_index ].red = start.red; else lut [ lut_index ].red = jump.red * i - 1; if ( j == 0 || jump.green < 1 ) lut [ lut_index ].green = start.green; else lut [ lut_index ].green = jump.green * j - 1; if ( k == 0 || jump.blue < 1 ) lut [ lut_index ].blue = start.blue; else lut [ lut_index ].blue = jump.blue* k - 1; hardwarecolor.red = (short) lut [ lut_index ].red; hardwarecolor.green = (short) lut [ lut_index ].green; hardwarecolor.blue = (short) lut [ lut_index ].blue; hardwarecolor.pixel = lut_index; printf(""HW1: i = %d : %d %d %d: pixel = %d \n"", lut_index, hardwarecolor.red, hardwarecolor.green, hardwarecolor.blue, hardwarecolor.pixel ); status = XAllocColor ( dpy, colormap, &hardwarecolor ); printf(""HW2: i = %d: %d %d %d: pixel = %d \n"", lut_index, hardwarecolor.red, hardwarecolor.green, hardwarecolor.blue, hardwarecolor.pixel ); if ( status != 0 ) { XSetForeground ( dpy, gc, hardwarecolor.pixel ); XFillRectangle ( dpy, win, gc, 1, 1, MAXCOLUMN, MAXROW ); XFlush ( dpy ); sleep (10); printf(""%d: %f %f %f at %d \n"", lut_index, lut [ lut_index ].re lut [ lut_index ].green, lut [ lut_index ].blue, hardwarecolor.pixel ); } lut_index = lut_index + 1; } Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with this problem. Sincerely, John F. Duggan ",comp.windows.x 1724," You deliberately deleted a line! I don't remember how wrote it, but I remember what he wrote. He wrote Happy 45 birth day of Israel! and I worte: Is this means that the number of the people have been killed by Israel are so high that you can not keep the track of, or this is also a part of Zionism ideology that you don't need to keep the track of the people you kill? Just kill! Hamid ",talk.politics.mideast 1725,"--> A humble response to a letter by G. Scott Braley written 04-21-93 20:43. GSB> a 286 upgrade would probably cost about $50, 386 about $150 or so. GSB> Coprocessors or accelerator cards would cost at least that much. 'Tis true! I just saw an add for 286/20 motherboards for $80. I have seen whole 286/12 systems, complete with case, power supply, keyboard, floppy, and mono card/monitor going for $250. ... ""He was a man, all and all, I shall not look upon his like again."" --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1726," Development of what? In-house apps? Maybe, but certainly not apps to be sold on an open market. Statistics like that are laughable, because they may simply mean that there are not enough shrink-wrapped usable apps for UNIX and they have to be developed disproportionately often as compared to the installed UNIX base.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1727," *retching noises* Talk about ""out of the frying pan and into the fire"" :) I'm pretty sure SCSI is faster. Along with a lot better compatability. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1728," I just called them and they said the order went out on the 13th. They're putting a UPS tracer on it. Watch, it'll be waiting for me at home tonight. :-) Dean ",rec.motorcycles 1729,"I came across the following notice in the Denver Post classified secction this morning (April 26, 1993): \begin{quote} NOTICE: The Denver Post will no longer knowingly accept any advertisement to buy or sell assault weapons. The Denver Post finds that the use of assault weapons poses a threat to the health, safety, and security of its readers. \end{quote} Now I suppose the Post is within its rights to refuse such ads. However, the second sentence is so noxious, I feel compelled to bring it to the attention of the t.p.g/c.g readership. I called the Post classified number (825-2525) and expressed my displeasure. According to the supervisor I spoke to, the Post was reacting to public complaints regarding the running of assult weapon ads. However, she said the paper was keeping track of the reaction to the change in policy. I strongly encourage Denver Post readers to call and make their feelings known.",talk.politics.guns 1730,"The Colorado Daily recently reprinted the Wall Street Journal's article on Paxton Quigley, including the nefarious little paragraph the Journal tacked onto the end. After recieving much assistance from various T.P.G. type folks, I wrote a letter to the editor criticizing this last paragraph, and surprise, surprise, surprise, they published it. The text follows. The Colorado Daily, btw, is the University of Colorado (Boulder) student (I think) newspaper... not exactly a big coup, but every little bit, i guess... (The title was the only thing they changed/added) ""Gun Stats"" The Daily recently reprinted an article from the Wall Street Journal, primarily concerned with Paxton Quigley, author of ""Armed and Female."" The article, in turn, cites a misleading statistic that was originally reported in the New England Journal of Medicine. The article states, ""A study... found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner, spouse, a friend, or child than to kill an intruder."" This is an often-quoted statistic, and it is misleading for sev- eral reasons, outlined below: The study gives the impression that, if you own a gun, the likelihood that you will successfully use it to defend yourself is less than that of the gun being turned against you. The study, however, fails to take into account cases where a law-abiding citizen uses a gun to thwart a crime, without actually killing the perpe- trator. The study actually refers to 'acquaintances' rather than 'friend'. This would include the friendly neigh- borhood thug who shows up like clockwork, every month, the second your grandmother cashes her social security check. Possibly an acquaintance, but hardly a friend. The NEJM study is based on the immediate dis- position of cases and fails to take into account cases originally filed as homicides that were later ruled to be self-defense. Especially considering the small sample size (396), taking these events into account has a sub- stantial effect on the 43:1 ratio quoted. Criminologist Gary Kleck gives us a slightly dif- erent statistic: a gun is 33 times more likely to be used, successfully, by a private citizen against an aggressor than it is to kill anyone at all. Further, per- sons defending themselves from aggression by using a gun fare better than those who resist vicimization by some other means, or who offer no resistance at all. Statistics available from the FBI and other agencies also show that a gun is 245 times more likely to be used by a non-criminal to defend against criminal threat than to be used to commit criminal homicide, 535 times more likely to be used to defend against a criminal threat than to accidentally kill anybody, and 50 times more likely to defend against criminal threat than to be used to commit suicide. It is well to keep in mind that nearly anything can be proved by uncritical quotation of statistics. One has to consider carefully what questions were asked by those gathering the data before one can draw an accu- rate conclusion from them. D.F. Taylor CU Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry -- Spooksmoke: Revolution, Assasination, Thorium, Cobalt-60, Clintin, CIA, NSA, SHC DoD #202 / loki@acca.nmsu.edu / liberty or death / taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu Send me something even YOU can't read... -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.2",talk.politics.guns 1731," It already happened as far as I know... I got some email about three weeks ago saying it was coming, and sure enough, a week after that the Duos dropped in price. I think the Duo 210 4/80 is now around US$1,8xx. The educational prices have dropped, and I imagine others as well, but I haven't really checked around since I boycott the local NecroCenter for reasons that extend over the past 13 years.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1732,"mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes, (missing the entire point of my post): No joke. No,_you_jumped to_that_conclusion. It's actually an argument as to how to accomplish the societal good of discouraging drug use without violating individual rights. No. _You_missed the point. The point is, the ""War On Drugs"" is a failure, and is counterproductive. But, they are not free to be stupid and injure other people. Admittedly, the fetal right-to-life is outside the scope of this discussion. However, it's ridiculous to assert, as you apparently do, that cocaine has_no effect_on the developing fetal nervous system. Caffiene and nicotine have fetal effects too, why should cocaine be any exception? If you had read my article before writing your knee-jerk response you would have seen that this is exactly what I advocated. No shit, Sherlock. [...] Thank you. How could you have missed the point so utterly? What_have_you been smoking? Obviously, importers will not be buying drugs in the U.S., under U.S. jurisdiction. Use your remaining brain cells. O.K., I'll spell it out for you. ""Barter economy"" means that drug users will be permitted to grow or synthesize chemically anything they choose, or to buy it outside the U.S. and bring it in, if it won't grow here. They will also be permitted to trade with other drug users for drugs other than the ones they themselves grow or manufacture. They will not, however be able to legally sell their drugs for money. Both manufacture and importation of noncommercial drugs will be taxed, to discourage their use. ""This is your brain on drugs. Any questions?"" Pardon me, but possession/use of these drugs is still a crime! You cannot analogize the rates at which drug users would seek treatment, and the comparative ease with which it could be made available today, when these drugs are illegal to possess/use, with what it would be were they_not_illegal to possess/use. Decriminalizing possession and use makes treatment_much_easier. Drug dealers are exploiting the weaknesses of those persons who are prone to addiction, and as such, the drug users should be left alone, not thrown in prison along with their victimizers. Drug_dealers_are the criminals, and should be treated as such. Drug addiction does not absolve you of responsiblity for your criminal actions, however. The drug test of an arrested suspect is voluntary, not coerced, and does not therefore constitute violation of Amendment V. Those convicted who are drug users, as evidenced by the test, are in need of treatment for their problem. Institutionalization of these adddicted criminals is, I would argue, the best way to help them straighten out. If they refuse the test and are convicted, their sentence can be appropriately harsher, since they, unlike the addict, have no ""excuse"" for their crimes. Why not? My objective is to discourage drug use_and_criminal behavior. If fewer criminals do drugs out of fear of getting a harsher sentence if they are convicted, why is that not a good thing? If fewer drug dealers (who are still criminals, BTW) can find victims, why is that not a good thing? If fewer drug users, such as drunks, 'potheads,' etc., commit crimes out of fear of being cut off from their sources of supply, why is that not a good thing? I'm certainly willing to debate my position. You have to read it carefully though.",talk.politics.misc 1733," HELLO, New to this area so.... I have read about some upgrades for the LC II, Doing some modification to make the thing run faster! Is the Performa 400 about the same as an lc and if so would the homemade speed upgrade work?? Thanks Brad ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1734,"I want All-Star Tickets does anyone know how I can get some? Are they for public sale or are they sold out? Or do you just have to work for a company with some Anyway any answers would be appreciated. Please E-mail me.",rec.sport.baseball 1735," And you're the guy that doesn't know that illiterate people can't write coherent sentences. Does that make you superior somehow? Steve []",talk.politics.guns 1736," ",None 1737,"This question derives from the Waco incident: Could CS (""gas"") particles create an allergic response which would result in laryngospasm and asphyxiation?- especially in children.",sci.med 1738," ",None 1739," Williams does not like hitting cleanup!! Secondly, Bonds and Clark (in that order) are a lot more productive with runners in scoring position than Matt ""I am streaky, free swinger"" Williams.",rec.sport.baseball 1740," Hmmm... what about the genocide conducted by the Ottoman Empire aganist the Armenians living in Turkey. ",talk.politics.mideast 1741," You should be aware that the US Army was called to ""fight"" (and did) WW I veterans (bonus marchers) who marched on DC demanding bonuses they were promised for service. Becaues of the depression, they wanted them early.",talk.politics.misc 1742,"Could some please refer me to someone who can perform PRK (Photo Refractive Keratostomy) in Canada (preferably eastern portion). I've looked in the yellow pages with little success, and if someone has had a good (or bad, for that matter) experience, that would be especially helpful if you could please let me know.",sci.med 1743,"To: All GVC Technologies v.32 9600bps modem 9600/4800/2400/1200/300 bps operation with Automatic Speed Selection. CCITT v.32/v.22bis/v.22/v.21 full-duplex operation. Asynchronous operation. Auto-answer & auto-dial: automatically switch between data and voice transmission. Supports COM port 1-4, and IRQ 2-5 Analog/digital/remote digital loopback test modes. Communication by Crosstalk software and manual included. Modem manual & warranty registration card included. (Optional CCITT v.42bis/v.42/MNP 2-5 module, providing error correction and data compression to increase throughput up to 38,400 bps, available directly from the manufacturer.) Mint condition. $125. DO NOT REPLY TO: dino.fiabane@pics.com. Your mail will bounce if it is sent to that address. Instead, please reply only via private E-Mail to: pics!dino.fiabane@twwells.com (Since my home BBS can only handle personal messages through E-Mail for the time being, any further replies from me to you will also arrive via E-Mail instead of by way of a regular newsgroup.) Dino Fiabane, 150 Weston Drive, Cherry Hill, NJ 08003-2132 phone (609) 424-3836 * SLMR 2.1a * reply to: pics!dino.fiabane@twwells.com via E-Mail ",misc.forsale 1744, Have you checked Foley's book? The solutions are in chapter 13.,None 1745,"Hello, a friend a mine has a commodore 386sx and we've put in that machine a second harddisk, he now has 100+200 MB. But the problem is that the 200MB harddisk isn't supported in the bios. Alas there's no user type 47 in the setup. At the moment we use it as a 193MB type but there are getting bad blocks on the harddisk :-<. Question: who knows a solution to this? I've seen a small program for this once in the BYTE, but I haven't been able to find this. Would speedstor or diskmanager work for this, I used these programs quite a lot in the XT-days, but I don't have these anymore, Seagate used to ship diskmanager with each drive they sold. Help will be greatly appreciated.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1746," Perhaps you should change your name to Clayton ""Mr Logic(NOT!)"" Cramer! Please give evidence of the above statement or shut up. I believe that I may have answered that elsewhere, amongst your other ravings. ",talk.politics.misc 1747,"Hey, collection. I am interested in buying any in good condition. I am particularly interested in any of the older, exotic models (eg five ] transformers into one etc... I am looking at paying around $20-$40 depending upon the model, size and original cost etc. I will also pay airmail postage and packing. I am also happy to buy any old sci-fi related toys eg robots, rocketships, micronauts etc... There is only one catch. I live in New Zealand so you have to be willing to post the items there. I hop that someone can help me out. Cheers",misc.forsale 1748," Bad system disk. (possibly too new a version for your historical curiosity^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HFat Mac) ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1749," What about the land mines which have already been mentioned? Oh, very neat. Dismiss everything I say unless I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt something which you yourself admit I can never prove to your satisfaction. Thanks, I'll stick to squaring circles. ",alt.atheism 1750,"The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when possible). Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below. The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space. STS 55 1 22640U 93 27 A 93117.91666666 .00044808 00000-0 13489-3 0 63 2 22640 28.4614 259.3429 0005169 259.6342 61.8074 15.90673799 201",sci.space 1751,": While it's possible that it's a ham radio transmitter that you're : hearing, it isn't likely - every bit of signal that doesn't go out the : antenna is wasted, as far as a ham is concerned, and most hams are It is the radiated signal that would cause the problem. : technically competent to ensure that they don't waste any signal if they : can possibly avoid it. To get their ham license, they had to pass a : government exam that tests them on that point, among others. : : However, you could be hearing a radio transmitter for sure - there are : lots of other services where the operators AREN'T required to be : technically competent - Citizens Band (""CB""), for example. There is nothing in the Amateur Radio Tests that requires an technical competence at all. It is a simple matter to memorize all the questions and answers. However, that said, most Hams that I know do spend quite a bit of time gaining some technical skill. : Listen to the interference. If you hear voices clearly, it almost : certainly ISN'T ham radio, and might well be CB. If you can record a Don't count on that. : bit of it, you could take the tape over to a local ham operator's house : and ask him for his opinion of what you're hearing. Most communities You cannot do that legally. However, you can ask a ham over to listen. If the interference occurs at a specific time each day, then it would be possible to do such scheduling. If nothing else, you could invite the ham over to transmit from your driveway, to see if he interferes. If he does, then you probably need to have your equipment worked on to make it immune to rf interference. : have a ham radio interference committee whose members are most willing : to help you resolve interference complaints. Look in the phone book, or : ask at the local ham radio store, or call the FCC for contact info. The FCC may, or may not, have such information. They have enough to do without getting calls for such information. If nothing else, call your city offices or police department (general business number). They should have the name of a local ham contact. : If it's a ham, he's more than likely willing to help get rid of the : problem. After all, it would be his signal he's wasting. If it isn't, : the interference committee or the FCC may be able to suggest solutions. See above - your concept of wasted signal is erroneous. If his rig is transmitting properly, then the chance of interference (with the exception of harmonic television interference) is the greatest - since he is putting out the strongest signal. : It is unfortunately the case that a transmitting station that is : operating perfectly legally could possibly cause intereference to a : piece of consumer audio or TV equipment just because the manufacturer of : the consumer equipment cut corners on one little section of the device : that wouldn't affect one person in a thousand, but which bites you. : Often that can be remedied for just a few pennies by a knowledgeable : person, perhaps even the person operating the transmitter you're : hearing. Unfortunately, most consumer equipment is succeptable - it is all poorly designed. : (BTW: hams are ALLOWED amplifiers; CB isn't. ""illegal ham amplifier"" : doesn't compute.) It does, but not for a mobile radio. There are very few mobile rigs that could power a 1500 watt amplifier.",sci.electronics 1752,"Enough, already. Let's take this discussion to some other newsgroup that's more appropriate. Most of us are tired of it and would like to get back to old cars, IMHO.",rec.autos 1753," I would like to see his reasoning behind this. You may have gotten ""burned"" by natural disaster prophecies down there, but that does not mean that every natural disaster/judgement prophecy is false. Take a quick look at the book of Jeremiah and it is obvious that judgement prophecies can be valid. here in the US, it seems like we might have more of a problem with positive prophecies, though I am sure there may be a few people who are too into judgement. Sometimes God does give words that are difficult to swallow. The relative positiveness of a prophecy is not necesarily grounds to dismiss it. Much of the OT is not happy stuff.",soc.religion.christian 1754,"I need the jumper settings for the achieve io card...usually found in xt's. It is affecting my video card and forcing the machine into 40 col mode. Any help? -The Ghoul Hath Spoken",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1755,"Broadcasting amplified sounds of tortured rabbits? Burning alive men, women, and children? We have on our hands here some truly sick puppies. ",talk.politics.guns 1756,,None 1757,"Regarding the horror stories about DOS6/DOUBLEDISK and STACKER 2.? killing hard drives:",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1758,"Have anyone dealt with ""Hardware that Fits"" before. I have seen their ad in both MacWorld and MacUser and decided to try them when I needed a new disk. The result was not satisfactory and I was just wondering if I was just an isolated case. I like to send a letter to the president of ""Hardware that Fits"". Do anyone know the address? Is it the same address as the one I return the products to? -- Mei-Mei Su =========================================================================== Software Engineer email : mms@ltx_tr.portal.com LTX Corporation meisu@netcom.com",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1759," You would be arrested as an international arms trafficker.",None 1760,"Buffalo is up 2-0 is the series with Boston, and the reason....Grant Fuhr ? Fuhr is playoff hungry, and he's proving once again why they call him money goaltender. Fuhr might not be one of the best goaltenders in the league anymore (Statistically at least), but he's proving that he can make the big save at the right time. The Leafs should have kept Fuhr, and probably would have had a chance against powerhouse Detroit. But again.......where was Andreychoke in game 1 ? I can see the huge smile on Gerald's face after Fuhr's performance.",rec.sport.hockey 1761," I have been using the JOIN command for many years now, mostly with good success in duplicating unix-style file mounts. You will hear lots of people cursing JOIN because they confuse it with the dos APPEND command (a truely gnarly hack), but don't believe them. You also will hear people saying that Microsoft recommends that you not use JOIN. But, in Microsoft's Windows 4 Workgroups Resource toolkit, the following appears: ""JOIN, an MS-DOS utility, works fine with Windows for Workgroups 3.1 if you do not change the state of the joined drives during a Windows for Workgroups 3.1 session. This includes adding or removing joined drives from within Windows for Workgroups. We recommend that you do not use JOIN when running Windows Setup or Windows for Workgroups 3.1."" Within this caveat, JOIN appears to be valid under windows. However, I have found a couple of applications that don't deal well with filesystems that have been ""mounted"" using join. In particular, the worst offender is Word for Windows 2.0x. It gets very confused when you edit and then try to save a file on a joined drive. It wants to create the saved file as ~NNNNN.tmp in the current dir, then delete the old file and rename the ~NNNNN.tmp file to the *.doc file. Unfortunately, WfW usually writes the ~NNNNN.tmp file in some idiotic place other than the current directory (often in the root dir of the joined filesystem, but not always). Then, after deleting the original *.doc file, it can't find the ~NNNNN.tmp file to rename it. Unless you search your disk systems, the document is gone. I have also found subtle problems using the MKS toolkit from a DOS box when JOINed filesystems are present. I used to join c:\temp with a 4meg ramdisk, but MKS sometimes gets confused when doing an ""ls"" on the c:\temp dir, and misses some files in the temp dir. (This is difficult to reproduce, but it goes away totally when JOIN is not used.) I think this is a Windows problem, rather than MKS's, since it works OK under raw DOS. So, I would suggest that you can use JOIN, but be aware that it may not be as robust you would like. Wouldn't it be real great to ""mount"" network drives (i.e. Z:) under the main file tree, rather than having all those darned drive letters? Unfortunately, JOIN won't let you do it. There was talk on the net about a simple patch to let JOIN work on network drives, but I don't remember the source. It's too bad the JOIN command is not better implemented, since it would avoid using all those stupid drive letters. I realize that MessDos was meant for casual, even ignorant users, so ""mounting"" all the drives in one file tree might be confusing. But, it looks like MS is going to carry this over into windows NT (another OS meant for casual, even igorant users -- NOT!). With all it's old family system baggage, maybe MS needs a recovery group so they can get on with life :-(. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1762," But no one (or at least, not many people) are trying to pass off God as a scientific fact. Not so with Kirlian photography. I'll admit that it is possible that some superior intelligence exists elsewhere, and if people want to label that intelligence ""God"", I'm not going to stop them. Anyway, let's _not_ turn this into a theological debate. ;-) Read alt.fan.robert.mcelwaine sometime. I've never been so closed-minded before subscribing to that group. :) ",sci.med 1763," How about the following scholarly source? Source: Pierre Oberling, ""The Road to Bellapais: The Turkish Cypriot Exodus to Northern Cyprus"", Social Science Monographs, Boulder, 1982, ISBN 88033-000-7. Well, I am forced to disagree with you. The Greeks started massacring the Turkish population on Cyprus in 1974. In 1974, Turkiye stepped into Cyprus to preserve the lives of the Turkish population there. This is nothing but a simple historical fact. Unfortunately, the intervention was too late at least for some of the victims. Mass graves containing numerous bodies of women and children already showed what fate had been planned for a peaceful minority. The people of Turkiye know quite well that Greece and the Greek Cypriots will never abandon the idea of hellenizing Cyprus and will remain eternally hopeful of uniting it with Greece, someday, whatever the cost to the parties involved. The history speaks for itself. Greece was the sole perpetrator of invasion on that island when it sent its troops on July 15, 1974 in an attempt to topple the legitimate government of Archibishop Makarios. The release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the 'enosis' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not forget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to destroy the island's independence by annexing it to Greece. Of course, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences for this irresponsible conduct. Turkish Cypriots are simply seeking guarantees that will preclude a repeat performance by the fanatical cadres of the Greeks' EOKA. If such assurances are not perfectly implemented, there is every reason to expect that the local Greeks will be misguided enough to perpetrate their past mistakes. On such an occasion, the Turkish side may not find it satisfactory to act with reluctance to go any further than before, for it is unacceptable to remain always defensive against cyclical vicious attacks. Therefore it would be better to have a true federation of two separate sections living in obligatory peace, rather than another armed confrontation that would be started by the Greeks and obligatorily but decisively terminated by the Turks. The present Greek government is trying to tyrannize the Turkish population in western Thrace by forbidding it its ethnic and religious rights, which were established through international treaties. One might be better advised to remember that misadventures against Turkiye do not serve Greece well. An offer of membership in the European Common Market as bait for concessions that may doom the Turks in Cyprus to extinction is not a viable course for Greece or her friends. Neither Turkish lives nor Turkish honor has been placed on the bidding block to be sold for commercial gain. Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 1764,"O.K. It would be a shame for Cards fans on the net to go through the 1993 championship season without a mailing list to talk on so I would be willing to look at starting one. Except there's one little problem... I don't know the first thing about how to do it or what it requires in terms of resources or time. So if some kind soul could e-mail me the particulars of getting starting and managing a mail list, I'd see if it would be feasible for me to start a Cards mailing list. Thanks in advance, Dick Detweiler",rec.sport.baseball 1765,"I have a project in mind that requires an array of LEDs that can be addressed individually by a microprocessor (say, 16x16 or so). Is there an LSI that is designed to drive an LED array (including RAM to hold the array state), or failing that, some way of multiplexing the display so I don't have to latch a bit for each LED using a discrete latch? (I want to avoid having a huge board covered with 373s if possible!) Thanks in advance...",sci.electronics 1766," Adobe Streamline has been out four a couple of years. It does a much better job than the autotracing functions which are built into illustration programs. Of course, a higher resolution bitmap will produce a more accurate trace. The problem that I've run into though, is that when it creates a detailed trace, it produces WAY more points than are necessary. If I trace something manually, I use many less es points. The problem with this is it produces BIG files which slow everything down, especially printing. Chuck",comp.graphics 1767,"Hi all, I've read the FAQ, I've fiddled around, but I am still having problems getting my poor old HP9000/300 to let me input/display characters above 127. I have the following in my .Xdefaults: XTerm*Font : -adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-1 So I believe that I have the correct font selected to use in xterm. I have NOT set my LC_CTYPE environment variable because whatever I put it, it tells me that that locale is not supported (apparently we have no additional locales defined, or at least, /lib/locale doesn't exist). I can get some of the characters above 127 to print out, but they are not where I'd expect them -- for example, Alt-v does not produce a u umlaut. This leads me to believe that the fault lies with the stty settings, which are as follows: speed 9600 baud; line = 0; susp ; dsusp intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^H; kill = ^K; swtch = ^@ eof = ^D; eol = ^@; min = 4; time = 0; stop = ^S; start = ^Q -parenb -parodd cs8 -cstopb hupcl cread -clocal -loblk -crts -ignbrk -brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc ixon -ixany ixoff -ienqak isig icanon iexten -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel -tostop Anyway, I've struggled with this off and on for a couple of weeks, and any help anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!",comp.windows.x 1768,"(Please note followup) In <1993Apr27.012045.8543@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is name-calling of the lowest kind. Please don't be disingenuous. Do civil libertarians make no distinction between the Nazis and Israel? Would you say that the Iraqis are like the Nazis? If you do not make such distinctions, then all injustices are equally evil, and the world is a completely evil place. In that case, we may as well give up right now. ",talk.politics.mideast 1769,"Cambridge Audio Integrated Amp P70 - 60W stereo solid state, w/box List $600 want $340 Cambridge Audio Tuner T50 - 8 presets list $350 want $200 Cambridge Audio PreAmp C70 - list $500 want $290 Klipschorns - The Klipschorns Speakers...legends in there own time list ~$3k want $950...very big, corner loaded..will play to unbelieveable volumes with very little power. ",misc.forsale 1770," The phone number for GCC is 617-275-5800, I believe. I don't have the number for Tech Support handy...",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1771," I disagree. By converting to another religion, you certainly do change your cultural identity, and lose that part of you which was Jewish. No, there is a serious cultural and religios difference between renouncing the jewish god and accepting a new one. ""Thou shall have no other gods before me."" Conversion is a violation of this, atheism you might be able to wiggle around with. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu",talk.politics.mideast 1772," Grant Fuhr rules! -).",None 1773," Radiating from someone who is incapable of providing a single scholarly source on his 'genocide apology program', it is rather amusing. Again, where is your non-existent list of scholars and scholarly sources? Here is mine: ""An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."" (Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990) ""In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul. It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats in this alien land."" (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - ""Preserving the Armenian purity"") ""The crime of systematic cleansing by mass killing and extermination of the Muslim population in Soviet Republic of Armenia, Karabag, Bosnia and Herzegovina is an 'Islamic Holocaust' comparable to the extermination of 2.5 million Muslims by the Armenian Government during the WWI and of over 6 million European Jews during the WWII."" (Tovfik Kasimov - Azeri Leader - September 25, 1992) ""Today's ethnic cleansing policies by the Serbian dictatorship against Croatians and Muslims of Yugoslavia, as well as the Soviet Republic of Armenia's against the Muslim population of neighboring Azerbaijan, are really no different in their aspirations than the genocide perpetrated by the Armenian Government 78 years ago against the Turkish and Kurdish Muslims and Sephardic Jews living in these lands."" (Cebbar Leygara - Kurdish Leader - October 13, 1992) SOME OF THE REFERENCES FROM EMINENT AUTHORS IN THE FIELD OF MIDDLE-EASTERN HISTORY AND EYEWITNESSES OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 2.5 MILLION MUSLIMS 1. ""The Armenian Revolutionary Movement"" by Louise Nalbandian, University of California Press, Berkeley, Los Angeles, 1975 2. ""Diplomacy of Imperialism 1890-1902"" by William I. Lenger, Professor of History, Harward University, Boston, Alfred A. Knopt, New York, 1951 3. ""Turkey in Europe"" by Sir Charles Elliot, Edward & Arnold, London, 1900 4. ""The Chatnam House Version and Other Middle-Eastern Studies"" by Elie Kedouri, Praeger Publishers, New York, Washington, 1972 5. ""The Rising Crescent"" by Ernest Jackh, Farrar & Reinhart, Inc., New York & Toronto, 1944 6. ""Spiritual and Political Evolutions in Islam"" by Felix Valyi, Mogan, Paul, Trench & Truebner & Co., London, 1925 7. ""The Struggle for Power in Moslem Asia"" by E. Alexander Powell, The Century Co., New York, London, 1924 8. ""Struggle for Transcaucasia"" by Feruz Kazemzadeh, Yale University Press, New Haven, Conn., 1951 9. ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey"" (2 volumes) by Stanford J. Shaw, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York, Melbourne, 1977 10.""The Western Question in Greece and Turkey"" by Arnold J. Toynbee, Constable & Co., Ltd., London, Bombay & Sydney, 1922 11.""The Caliph's Last Heritage"" by Sir Mark Sykes, Macmillan & Co., London, 1915 12.""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard A. Hartill, Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 1928 13.""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-22"" by A. Rawlinson, Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925 14.""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn, Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952 15.""From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne"" by Avetis Aharonian, The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17 (Spring 1964) 16.""Armenia on the Road to Independence"" by Richard G. Hovanessian, University of California Press, Berkeley, California, 1967 17.""The Rebirth of Turkey"" by Clair Price, Thomas Seltzer, New York, 1923 18.""Caucasian Battlefields"" by W. B. Allen & Paul Muratoff, Cambridge, 1953 19.""Partition of Turkey"" by Harry N. Howard, H. Fertig, New York, 1966 20.""The King-Crane Commission"" by Harry N. Howard, Beirut, 1963 21.""United States Policy and Partition of Turkey"" by Laurence Evans, John Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, 1965 22.""British Documents Related to Turkish War of Independence"" by Gothard Jaeschke 1. Neside Kerem Demir, ""Bir Sehid Anasina Tarihin Soyledikleri: Turkiye'nin Ermeni Meselesi,"" Hulbe Basim ve Yayin T.A.S., Ankara, 1982. (Ingilizce Birinci Baski: 1980, ""The Armenian Question in Turkey"") 2. Veysel Eroglu, ""Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 1978. 3. A. Alper Gazigiray, ""Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari,"" Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982. 4. Dr. Kirzioglu M. Fahrettin, ""Kars Ili ve Cevresinde Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Kardes Matbaasi, Ankara, 1970. T.C. Basbakanlik Osmanli Arsivi, Babiali, Istanbul: a) Yildiz Esas Evraki b) Yildiz Perakende c) Irade Defterleri d) Cemaat-i Gayr-i Muslime Defterleri e) Meclisi Vukela Mazbatalari f) Dahiliye Nezareti, Kalem-i Mahsus Dosyalari g) Dahiliye Nezareti, Sifre Defterleri h) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Siyasi Kartonlar i) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Muhimme Kartonlari T.C. Disisleri Bakanligi, Hazine-i Evrak, Defterdarlik a) Harb-i Umumi b) Muteferrik Kartonlar British Archives: a) Parliamentary Papers (Hansard): Commons/Lords b) Foreign Office: Confidential Print: Various Collections c) Foreign Office: 424/239-253: Turkey: Correspondence - Annual Reports d) Foreign Office: 608 e) Foreign Office: 371, Political Intelligence: General Correspondence f) Foreign Office: 800/240, Ryan Papers g) Foreign Office: 800/151, Curzon Papers h) Foreign Office: 839: The Eastern Conference: Lausanne. 53 files India Office Records and Library, Blackfriars Road, London. a) L/Political and Security/10/851-855 (five boxes), ""Turkey: Treaty of Peace: 1918-1923"" b) L/P & S/10/1031, ""Near East: Turkey and Greece: Lausanne Conference, 1921-1923"" c) L/P & S/11/154 d) L/P & S/11/1031 French Archives Archives du ministere des Affaires entrangeres, Quai d'Orsay, Paris. a) Documents Diplomatiques: Affaires Armeniens: 1895-1914 Collections b) Guerre: 1914-1918: Turquie: Legion d'Orient. c) Levant, 1918-1929: Armenie. Official Publications, Published Documents, Diplomatic Correspondence, Agreements, Minutes and Others A. Turkey (The Ottoman Empire and The Republic of Turkey) Akarli, E. (ed.); ""Belgelerle Tanzimat,"" (istanbul, 1978). (Gn. Kur., ATASE); ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri Dergisi,"" V. XXXI (81), (Dec. 1982). ----; ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri Dergisi,"" V. XXXII (83), (Dec. 1983). Hocaoglu, M. (ed.); ""Ittihad-i Anasir-i Osmaniye Heyeti Nizamnamesi,"" (Istanbul, 1912). Meray, S. L. (trans./ed.) ""Lozan Baris Konferansi: Tutanaklar-Belgeler,"" (Ankara, 1978), 2 vols. Meray, S. L./O. Olcay (ed.); ""Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Cokus Belgeleri; Mondros Birakismasi, Sevr Andlasmasi, Ilgili Belgeler,"" (Ankara, 1977). (Osmanli Devleti, Dahiliye Nezareti); ""Aspirations et Agissements Revolutionnaires des Comites Armeniens avant et apres la proclamation de la Constitution Ottomane,"" (Istanbul, 1917). ----; ""Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal ve Hareket-i Ihtilaliyesi: Ilan-i Mesrutiyetten Evvel ve Sonra,"" (Istanbul, 1916). ----; ""Idare-i Umumiye ve Vilayet Kanunu,"" (Istanbul, 1913). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. I (Istanbul, 1914). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. II (Istanbul, 1915). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. III (Istanbul, 1916). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. IV (Istanbul, 1917). (Osmanli Devleti, Hariciye Nezareti); ""Imtiyazat-i Ecnebiyye'nin Lagvindan Dolayi Memurine Teblig Olunacak Talimatname,"" (Istanbul, 1915). (Osmanli Devleti, Harbiye Nezareti); ""Islam Ahalinin Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; (IV. Ordu) ""Aliye Divan-i Harbi Orfisinde Tedkik Olunan Mesele-yi Siyasiye Hakkinda Izahat,"" (Istanbul, 1916). Turkozu, H. K. (ed.); ""Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi,"" (Ankara, 1982). ----; ""Turkiye Buyuk Millet Meclisi Gizli Celse Zabitlari,"" (Ankara, 1985), 4 vols. Russia Adamof, E. E. (ed.); ""Sovyet Devlet Arsivi Belgeleriyle Anadolu'nun Taksimi Plani,"" (tran. H. Rahmi, ed. H. Mutlucag), (Istanbul, 1972). Altinay, A. R.; ""Iki Komite - Iki Kital,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; ""Kafkas Yollarinda Hatiralar ve Tahassusler,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; ""Turkiye'de Katolik Propagandasi,"" Turk tarihi Encumeni Mecmuasi, V. XIV/82-5 (Sept. 1924). Asaf Muammer; ""Harb ve Mesulleri,"" (Istanbul, 1918). Akboy, C.; ""Birinci Dunya Harbinde Turk Harbi, V. I: Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Siyasi ve Askeri Hazirliklari ve Harbe Girisi,"" (Gn. Kur., Ankara, 1970). Akgun, S.; ""General Harbord'un Anadolu Gezisi ve (Ermeni Meselesi'ne Dair) Raporu: Kurtulus Savasi Baslangicinda,"" (Istanbul, 1981). Akin, I.; ""Turk Devrim Tarihi,"" (Istanbul, 1983). Aksin, S.; ""Jon Turkler ve Ittihad ve Terakki,"" (Istanbul, 1976). Basar, Z. (ed.);""Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz,"" (Ankara, 1974). ----; ""Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler - Derlemeler,"" (Ankara, 1978). Belen, F.; ""Birinci Dunya Harbinde Turk Harbi,"" (Ankara, 1964). Deliorman, A.; ""Turklere Karsi Ermeni Komitecileri,"" (Istanbul, 1980). Ege, N. N. (ed.); ""Prens Sabahaddin: Hayati ve Ilmi Mudafaalari,"" (Istanbul, 1977). Ercikan, A.; ""Ermenilerin Bizans ve Osmanli Imparatorluklarindaki Rolleri,"" (Ankara, 1949). Gurun, K.; 'Ermeni Sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir?', ""Turk Tarihinde Ermeniler Sempozyumu,"" (Izmir, 1983). Hocaoglu, M.; ""Arsiv Vesikalariyla Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve Ermeniler,"" (Istanbul, 1976). Karal, E. S.; ""Osmanli Tarihi,"" V. V (1983, 4th ed.); V. VI (1976, 2nd ed.); V. VII (1977, 2nd ed.); V. VIII (1983, 2nd ed.) Ankara. Kurat, Y. T.; ""Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Paylasilmasi,"" (Ankara, 1976). Orel, S./S. Yuca; ""Ermenilerce Talat Pasa'ya Atfedilen Telgraflarin Icyuzu,"" (Ankara, 1983). [Also in English translation.] Ahmad, F.; ""The Young Turks: The Committee of Union and Progress in Turkish Politics,"" (Oxford, 1969). Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 1774," But, but, but... How does buying an external modem solve the problem of wanting more than 2 serial devices at once? And since the PC only supports two, why are you blaming a modem vendor for the problem? I don't see how your experience could have been different with any internal modem. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1775," at least be honest. velcro (tm) dates from the 40's. i have doubts about everything listed above. just because it was developed in the space age, doesn't mean it was a space spin-off. ",sci.space 1776,"I have a friend with an original HP LaserJet. The nameplate does not specify a number, but since the LJ II followed later, one assumes that he has a LJ I. His problem is a tax program which requires a 17 cpi font to print the forms properly. This unit came to market in 2 versions. The plus version supported dowloadable fonts. You can guess which one my friend has - the plain, not the plus. The printer does though have a slot and he has a small selction of cartridges including a 16.6 cpi - but none with a 17 cpi font. Can anyone suggest a source for a cartridge with a 17 (or 18?) cpi font? Alternatively, is an upgrade to the plus version available at reasonable cost? Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks --- * WinQwk 2.0b#943 * Seattle Rain Festival - Jan. 1 to Dec. 31",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1777," Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and into reality? First off, what is the deal with your subject lines? Do you think that you are being funny? Ha ha. What a developed sense of humor you have, I'm surprised they let you out of the cage. Why don't we not talk about the ""official"" definition of foreign aid and talk about where money is really spent. More money is spent stationing troops in Germany (ie paying the troops, maintaining bases and equip, etc) than in Israel. Plus, Israel does not ask the US to send troops to fight her battles. If you look at the amount of money spent defending Korean shipping lanes, Norway, and other trouble spots in the world, you will see that aid to Israel - from a practical standpoint - is not that much. And so what - so what if Israel gets the most (assuming I buy your feeble argument)? What is your point? Do you not want to subsidize Israel? Well, you have two options 1) Start your own campaign, get elected as president, and then force congress to cut all aid to Israel or 2) get the fuck out! If you don't like how this country operates and can't change it then move to Iran or something.",talk.politics.mideast 1778," While I wouldn't be too terribly impressed with anybody who got to be paranoid based on either Usenet in general or Phill Hallam-Baker's comments in general, you'd be surprised. For most people, if you accuse them of something long enough and loud enough, to enough people, they start to ask why they're bothering to fight it. If nothing you do will be considered right, why bother to do right? It's pretty basic human nature. What an amazing thing. I didn't realize that over a hundred million gun owners all posted to tpg. Even if *all* the posts in talk.politics.guns illustrated what you say they illustrate, it would still only reflect the written personas (which is often different from face-to-face) of a very, very small and select group. Anybody who seriously generalizes any attitudes or positions on Usenet to the general population of any country either doesn't care about accuracy or needs to have a few realities explained to them. Speaking of which... Most of the ""readership"" posts I've seen put the most read newsgroups at about 160,000 readers, a number I have a feeling is fairly inflated. The posters, rare and regular, are themseleves a very tiny minority of that group. And the whole of Usenet readers are themselves a very distorted sample of humanity. If anything, the only real thing you can get out of the relative sample of Usenet readers is that we've got too much equipment and too much time available to us. Proof that guns don't make you safer is that if you buy one the government will show up and kill you? Tell me, if the government took away the voting rights of everybody who exercised their free speech, would that then be proof that free speech squelches political activity? You are equating two things with each other that don't. Phill, if you really believe that the various posts on computer nets represents *either* most of the poster's in person personalities *or* the general public's general opinions, then I have some serious reservations about your grasp on reality. But don't expect you really do believe that. It's simply a convenient way to make your point, and hopefully make those people you don't like look bad. Have a nice day, Phill. ",talk.politics.guns 1779," Having in mind the size of the images, my opinion is to go with VLB. It has _much_ more bandwith that EISA, which in fact can be utilized by the craphics card. (I have not made measures, so someone else may share experience on that.) Also, the DX2/66 is faster in the operations, that run off internal cache, slightly slower off the external and about the same off memory. So my advice is the 66/VLB. Have You tried running Photostyler without the cache? No need to have paging and cache both. (Well, you might argue, that the paging is cached). My belief (no measurements) is that apps left with more memory will manage it better than smartdrv.exe(sys). The bandwidth (theoretical) of ISA is over 5MB/s, which is far from 0.15MB/s. I tried my ISA IDE hard drive (Maxtor 213MB) and got the same results - 0.65MB/s - regardless of the ISA bus speed (5.5-8.25MHz). So I guess, that just the card/drivers combination is lousy. The rumors are that DX3-99 (if any) is the most likely chip to come out. But note, that IBM is closest to the technology an it will only sell whole motherboards, so you'll have to upgrade the MB. Just some view, not much figures. -- Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1780," I dont know about the story but it comes from the fact that in most stadiums, the batter faces northeast and so when a pitcher is on the mound, his left arm is to the south, hence the term.",rec.sport.baseball 1781,"Condensers, Kimble Modern Liebig West #18003. Jacket length 500 mm. All glass, straight tubes. Plastic/gasketed end caps. Exactly like Central Scientific's 14459 series condensers. Being sold in American Science & Surplus's April catalog for ~$20 each. In original (old) packaging. I have 13 of these. $15 each. Volume discounts: Buy Discount Bonus ------------------------------------------- 3 - 8 10% Free insurance. 9 + 30% Free shipping and insurance. For quality control, all have been opened and inspected for damage. :) Buyer must pay for shipping/insurance unless otherwise noted. Shipping should be about $2.00 for one or two; $3.00 for three or four; etc. Insurance should be about $0.75 per tube.",misc.forsale 1782,"[deleted] It's noteworthy that the posts about the west being evil etc are made not in some Islamic hellhole but from the west. If the west is so bad, why do they come here? Notice how they comfortably exercise their rights to free expression, something completely absent in their own countries. Vasudev ",talk.politics.mideast 1783," Please replay yxy4145@usl.edu Thanks a lot ",None 1784," The forces and accelerations involved in doing a little bit of orbital maneuvering with HST aboard are much smaller than those involved in reentry, landing, and re-launch. The OMS engines aren't very powerful; they don't have to be.",sci.space 1785,"Could someone explain how to make sense of drag coefficients (i.e Cd) mentioned in magazines. I understand that lower numbers signify better aerodynamics but what does this mean in the real world. Is there a way to calculate new top speeds(assuming the car is not rev limited at top speed) or mileage benefits if a identical car had the Cd reduced from .34 to .33.",rec.autos 1786,"What jetting do you recommend for a ZX-11 (with standard mufflers) instead of the standard one (idle-38, main-155). Cheers. ",rec.motorcycles 1787,"<: <: As a private citizen, I would feel much more ""secure in my person and <: papers"" knowing that an organization committed to individual civil <: liberties- the ACLU and the NRA come to mind- was safeguarding half of <: my key. Both the ACLU and the NRA are resistent to government pressure <: by the simple expedient fact that they are not supported, funded, or <: overtly controlled by the government. <: -------------------------- , Computing Centre, Heinrich-Heine-University, Duesseldorf, Germany. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1800,"Sharp brand ""Pocket Computer"" model PC-1246 Dimensions; 3.5 x 5 x 0.5 inches. Has 15-digit LCD display 53 rubber keys (w/alphabet) built-in BASIC prog.language an 11-pin-socketed interface for optional cassette drive. (Don't have) slide-over/reversable plastic cover. Sorry, no owners manual. A program or two still in memory. Asking $15 + shipping (about $2 in U.S.)",misc.forsale 1801,"G'day all! Does anyone know anything about front end for POVRay (X11 version)? I mean are there things like user friendly modeller for POVRay, or any modellers which will let me design a scene and produce a file which POVRay can then read? Cheers, Tomek +------------------------------------------------------+ +------------------------------------------------------+ ",comp.graphics 1802,,None 1803,"the unuseable) motorcycle What happens is that (I heard this discussed on ""Northern Exposure"") there is a molecular juxtaposition of the molecules in the battery and the molecules in the concrete. This acts as an attractant to UFOs (actually their crew members) and they arrive at the scene of the battery/concrete combination. Then they proceed to SUCK ALL THE ENERGY OUT OF THE BATTERIES! Remedy: Set the battery on a nonconcrete floor.",sci.electronics 1804," It wasn't ""invented"", but was supposed by the writers of the Constitution to be a universal, pre-existing right. Howsomever... Hmmm. You need to spend some time in a library, son. When the Bill of Rights was written, in addition to the (muzzleloading) shotgun and pistol you mention we had: - rifles in calibers ranging from around .30 to .69 caliber and up. - cannon with various different projectiles to choose from (and owned by civilians). - breech-loading rifles In addition, semiautomatic and full-automatic firearms had been patented and/or demonstrated by several people in various places during the preceding century or so. Sounds good. Any refererences to this actually happening, or is it just exaggeration for effect following one or more incidents of someone firing a handful of shots from something that may or may not be an Uzi, semi- or full-auto? Until the root conditions that justified it go away (criminal behavior, either private or government, which should be defended against), there's no reason it should go away. -- ",talk.politics.guns 1805,"[snip].... Excellent point, Mark. We should all remember that if Nixon hadn't tried to cover up the misguided actions of some of his subordinates in the Watergate burglary, the scandal would never have brought down his presidency. So far, Klinton seems to be stonewalling this the same way Tricky Dick did. His whole case seems to be ""we didn't do anything wrong"". However, if in the course of the investigation it turns out that the gov't DID do something wrong, and he tried to cover it up, then that's an impeachable crime, I believe... Perhaps he is inadvertently cooking up his own scandal... Can you say ""Wacogate"", little neighbor?... ;-) ",talk.politics.guns 1806,"Then again, maybe $2445 for the gateway system isn't too cheap. I have a system from Micron computers:",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1807," An advertisement in MicroTimes (a bay area mini-Computer Shopper) from ENCY systems in Fremont has a graphic for the P24T performance based on MIPS (power meter v1.7): the 486DX-33 raked in about 14-15, the 486DX2-66 got about 24, and the P24T-66 got about 44-45. Tom",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1808," OK, Andrew, I'll provide some evidence. A friend of mine worked for an electronics manufacturer on with a west-coast office. They routinely sold equipment to the Japanese. One day, the Japanese started showing up with discount demands that were amazingly close to the cost to manufacture the products. This company routinely sent most of the manufacturing data to the field offices. The Japanese had simply intercepted it. So my friend, the computer systems admin, came up with a solution. He started sending the data out double-block-encrypted with DES. Two days after this new distribution plan was implemented, the president of the company got a visit from a pair of government agents. They told him to ""knock it off"". The president gave in, since his company did a considerable business with the federal government. Now, if the government wasn't monitoring the communications, how would they even know that the encryption system was installed? Further, since encryp- tion isn't illegal, and DES certainly isn't, what is the basis of the government's cease-and-desist demand? The spooks do whatever they think is necessary, with or without the blessings of the law. I'll say ""no thanks"" to Clipper, or anything else the government produces. For the moment, double or triple DES is probably adequate. And when the line is idle, send random garbage, just to keep 'em busy. ",sci.crypt 1809," Nope. I keep my Mac running all the time since it also acts as a usenet node and exchanges mail and news every half hour (I run uAccess) and receives all my faxes. I do turn off the monitors hooked up to it. They produce more heat than I want - it can be warm in my garage office in the summer. I've got one of those handy power control centers ($25 at Fry's) to I just flip the switch in front when I start or stop working. By the way, this strategy seems to be somewhat endorsed by Apple since their new Color Classic will turn off its own monitor after a certain length of idle time.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1810," If in said situation. I would, reviewing other cases I've seen reported on in the articles I've read etc.., suggest the safest legal course of action is as follows. Warn your assailant loudly and in clear tones that you have a weapon(Yes!Even though it's blatantly obvious now that you have it out!) and that you will shoot him if he advances/does not cease whatever hostile action he is currently involved in.( ie: Drop the knife or I'll shoot!) Repeat this process three times,if you can!(not if he's pointing a freaking gun at you himself!That's kinda impractical.) (There are variables here and I will try to address them in turn) After said warning (considering it's ignored) Aim center mass and fire until he drops! This is not sadism, it's practicality.If he hasn't gone down he's still a threat!(Why I support .45) IF HE TURNS AND RUNS DO NOT PURSUE OR FIRE AT HIS BACK! SHOT'S FIRED IN ANGER WILL BURN YOU LATER! (Though in some cases the I can see where that might not bother me all that much!) If you do drop him! REMAIN WHERE YOU ARE! Have a Bystander or witness(Or Create one by yelling at the top of your lungs!) call the police, and wait! Reholster your weapon VISIBLY! Or place it on the ground nearby. Do not attempt to recollect your brass.The police will use it's location to piece together the scene along with your testimony and that of any witnesses. Mentally mark witnesses! If the police say that none came forward let them know who you saw! Attempt to keep your weapon loaded with the minimum required(how the hell can I phrase this?) Try to avoid special purpose ammunition. Hollow points and Hydrashock rounds give the opposing lawyer the type of loaded phrasing he will need to sawy the jury that you fully intended to kill someone! The only special purpose rounds that I can think of that would actually help your case (as it has in several) is the Glaser Safety Slug (oh what a lovely name SAFETY SLUG) The stated purpose and stated design parameters of the round are life savers in court. (ie. Attempting to create a bullet which will not overpenetrate, not ricochette, and which is designed to STOP (Not Kill (Gee, to bad the two often cross, damn I'm real sorry that rapist is dead! NOT!) an assailant with one shot. This, again, can be a real life saver in a hostile court. Be as cooperative with the police as possible! Show them where you were. Repeat your information as often as requested. They will often ask you the same questions over and over to verify facts, and ,unfortunately, to see if your lying. Fill out all statements and show all required identification and weapon permits (BOOO! Down with registered citizens!Register your politicians as deadly tax weapons needing to be confiscated!) If they are required in your state. Contact a lawyer immediately if they decide to hold you or that further questioning is needed. If you cannot afford one, contact the NRA. They have a legal assistance fund.(Or at least they used to) I DO HOPE YOUR A MEMBER! (Not my business either way though..) If I was vague on anything, or I left some questions unanswered, you can E-MAIL me or post here. (Preferebly E-MAIL. I don't have a load of time to review the news) Kane",talk.politics.guns 1811,"It is interesting, sometimes, to listen to U.S. news as seen through the eyes of another country....... B.B.C. world news service, on short-wave, originating out of London, reports that a survivor of the Waco massacre states that a tank, when making a hole in the wall of the building, knocked over a kerosene lamp and that is how the fire started. Attempts were made by the people inside to put out the fire, but it spread too quickly. Has anyone in U.S. heard anything similar or are U.S. government spin-doctors censoring such information?",talk.politics.misc 1812,"In the wake of the Waco denouement, I had email discussions with people from this group. In particular, we discussed how cults operate, why the FBI might be motivated to black out news or behave the way it did, and what kinds of problems are involved in dealing with cults and similar organizations. I include an edited account of what I wrote. The identity of my correspondents have (I hope) been erased. The editing process makes the text choppy - sorry about that. I've tried to retain the information content. Ellipses (...) indicate where text was removed. A few of the comments in parentheses are new, intended to make it easier for outsiders to understand. These notes are preliminary - feel free to criticize. Cheers(?), Oded ------------------------ (begin included text) ----------------------- I took a course called the MADNESS OF CROWDS, ... The course included cults and briefly mentioned/analyzed Jonestown. (Did some external reading too). William Adorno ... edited a series of books on the psychology of ""evil"" mass movements... starting with THE AUTHORITARIAN PERSONALITY, University of Chicago Press, 1948 ... an attempt to figure out what would motivate people to support fascism or be the bad guys in WWII, and by extension in other wars, in racial lynchings ... I don't think the books are perfect, and the study of psychopathology has advanced ..., but you can elicit Koresh types from even the first volume. So I think they're onto something. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- How cult psychology works... [I'm an amateur. Hope I'm not hopelessly naive.] So long as Koresh could ""own"" his people, he made sure they didn't believe there was any life out there for them, away from him. Otherwise, he'd (Koresh) be nothing. During the siege, ex-Davidians recounted how he convinced the people in the compound they survived only through his intercession with God to spare their worthless souls. Absolutely classic brainwashing technique. ... As long as they believed him, they'd ignore BATF/FBI/Child Protective Services or even the Red Cross asking them to come out. After all, if they ever left him, God would catapult them straight to Hell, and the combined forces of the US gummint, with all the goodwill in the world (doubtful) couldn't save them for a second. If I believed it, I'd stay and die too, like the folks in Jonestown. For a prosaic analogy, replace a cult leader with an estranged wife (or husband), and notice how many folks show up, kill the ex and then themselves. That's the consequence of shattered ""cultism."" It really does happen all the time. [By the way, the treasured ideal in such cases, without which life is meaningless, is the relationship, no matter how abusive, rather than the individual's partner.] ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [Why No News, Don't The Feds Owe The World An Explanation?] I agree that official explanations are in order. I can also see good (?) reasons for news blackouts. ... that no matter what, those people would have died, because Koresh made sure they believed they had no lives outside his influence. Hence it would make little difference when or how the FBI acted. He held them hostage, as his trump against going to jail, but nothing would really stop him from offing them. Even if the FBI went away! Look at history. Rep Leo Ryan (and some staffers) visited Jonestown, at the request of constituents who had relatives there. Once Jonestown was discovered, and even though they killed Ryan and his entourage ... they all killed themselves, because Jim Jones knew he'd be busted. Internal arguments asking to spare the children, brought up by some of the women in the cult, were shouted down. There are tapes... The ""logic"" of saying that no matter how bad the gummint is, it wouldn't kill the kids, was shouted down as blasphemy, and the people who brought it up were threatened with ostracism by people who by THEIR OWN AVOWAL would be dead within the hour. I suspect it's the same with the Branch Davidians. (There's a book on Jonestown by James Reston Jr., titled OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HELL. I don't know whether it's good - never read it.) ... The only way to prevent such a problem would be never to investigate reports of child abuse or sexual mistreatment, or organizations buying full-auto conversion kits or shipping hand grenades via UPS, on the off chance of stumbling across cults that would kill themselves. ... So, the only way the BATF/FBI could ""save"" those people, and future cults, is by ignoring such signs. I suppose there's another way - outsmarting Koresh and tricking him into letting them go, or somehow influencing ""his"" people to abandon him while he owns most of their means of communication with the world. ... a mighty tough row to hoe. ... I suspect the FBI tried to do that with blackouts, noise and other sensory insults. However, maybe they're not very sophisticated, or maybe the job is impossible. It's certainly possible the guy running the show was a jerk. ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [Why the FBI might want to blackout during and coverup after] ... - if they were doing a poor job of weaning the BD's from Koresh, they'd want to keep it quiet so they wouldn't be embarrassed. ... - if they were trying to wean the BD's from Koresh, they'd want to keep it quiet so he couldn't outflank them, or well-meaning boneheads from ANY point of view wouldn't screw it up. ... I _hate_ playing chess when the world screams in my face, especially if at checkmate time people really die, and I could be blamed. ... I don't think ignoring such incidents is a workable policy, unless you deny the FBI, BATF, Child Protective Services (of whatever stripe) and the rest of the gummint should exist at all. (the end) ----------------------------------------------------------------------",talk.politics.guns 1813,"THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ___________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 23, 1993 PRESS BRIEFING BY DEE DEE MYERS The Briefing Room 10:35 A.M. EDT MS. MYERS: At 1:00 p.m., we're having a press conference, Bill, in the East Room. And then Saturday the President will leave here at roughly 8:00 a.m. and fly down to Jamestown. He will spend the day there, overnight at Camp David. On Sunday, it's unclear exactly what time he'll leave Camp David and fly to Boston. He'll leave from Hagerstown. The press plane will leave from Washington. He will meet with some -- Q What kind of a plane is that he's taking? MS. MYERS: That he's taking? He'll probably take a C- 20. Q From Hagerstown? MS. MYERS: From Hagerstown. Air Force One doesn't fly out of Hagerstown, apparently. Q How will the pool travel? MS. MYERS: The pool will have to meet him ahead of time. So I guess the pool will travel with the press plane and wait for him at the airport. There is currently no provision -- and I'll double-check, because there's currently no provision -- I think that's standard operating practice. Q The pool is not going to meet him and watch him get on the plane at Hagerstown? MS. MYERS: I don't believe so. Q What time does he have to be in Boston? MS. MYERS: He's going to meet there with a group of citizens, mostly people who supported us during the campaign, at around 1:30 p.m. We're still working out the final times. Q At the airport? MS. MYERS: No, it will be at the Boston Harbor Hotel. And then he will also meet with some -- a youth group that authored something called Project 21. The speech to the publishers is actually at 3:15 p.m. It will be followed by Q&A. And then after the speech and Q&A, he'll attend a reception with the publishers, and then return to Washington from Boston. And that's it for the weekend. Q Has the President seen the report from -- or the letter, communication from the foreign service officers; also, obviously, the communication from Madeleine Albright? And what is his reaction to their call on him? MS. MYERS: Well, obviously, the letter was written to Secretary Christopher. I believe Secretary Christopher received the letter on Saturday. He reviewed it and met with the authors on Monday to discuss their views. He believes it's an important part of the policy-making process and is taking their views into account as we go forward in the development of the Bosnia policy. Q What is the President's reaction? MS. MYERS: The President hasn't seen the letter. It was something that was directed towards Secretary Christopher. In terms of -- he hasn't seen specifically the letter, but in terms of their concerns generally, what the President has said is that there are a lot of options on the table now, including ones that weren't there before. And I think he's, as is everybody, gravely concerned about the situation in Bosnia. Q Is he influenced by that? I mean, how does he feel about the fact that all of the specialists in that area -- those desk officers -- MS. MYERS: Many of the specialists in that area -- I think that that is clearly part of the process. It's something -- their views will clearly be considered. I think Secretary Christopher met with the group immediately to discuss their views. I think he believes that there ought to be room for opinions and that those opinions ought to be considered, particularly from people who work closely on the issues. Q What do you mean, there are options on the table that weren't there before? MS. MYERS: I think the President said last week that there were options, such as lifting the arms embargo to the Bosnian Muslims, that had been previously off the table that are now being considered. Q Dee Dee, in terms of those options, Madeleine Albright is saying that potentially there could be unilateral action by the U.S. if the Europeans did not go along. Is that on the table? MS. MYERS: Well, I can't discuss anything that would -- any conversations that would have happened between Ambassador Albright and the President. But I think the President has said he would certainly -- is working with our European allies. He's had a number of conversations with European leaders and is trying to build some consensus there. Q Will he reach a decision -- will he have anything specific to say today? MS. MYERS: No. I mean, in term of there will be no new announcement of policy today. Q Does your statement mean he has ruled out unilateral action? MS. MYERS: He's continuing to consult with our allies at this point. He has said -- I think he's been fairly clear about it, that the he believes that the U.S. needs to act in concert with its allies on this. Q On that point, does he believe that the U.S., though, does have built-in authority from the United Nations already to take unilateral action? MS. MYERS: Well, I think the U.N. Resolution 770 makes it clear that you can act unilaterally in support of any humanitarian relief effort. I think the broader point is that anything we do, any options that we decide to pursue we will make sure that it is consistent with U.N. authority, and if it's not, we'll work with our allies to make sure that we get it. Q Dee Dee, then how does the White House someone as distinguished as Elie Wiesel, who says that not enough is being done to stop the atrocities going on in Bosnia? MS. MYERS: I think that that's why we're considering additional options. I think that Mr. Wiesel's comments yesterday were quite compelling. The situation in Bosnia is tragic. The President is very concerned about it. He has -- I think President Clinton has worked very hard to take further actions to continue to isolate Serbia in the world community. Clearly, we're considering other options because the President is concerned that perhaps it's not enough. Q In terms of what you were just talking about, it sounds like Resolution 770 justifies unilateral action by the U.S. to protect humanitarian -- MS. MYERS: I don't think it -- I wouldn't use the word justify. It permits unilateral action by any country in protecting the delivery of humanitarian relief. But I think that's just an explanation of the resolution. I think any action that we take will be consistent with U.N. resolutions or we'll work with our allies to make sure that it is permissible or we'll get further action. Q The President and other officials have ruled out unilateral U.S. action in Bosnia in the past. You're declining to do that this morning. MS. MYERS: No, I said the President has said repeatedly that he wants to act in concert with our allies on this. Q That doesn't mean that he won't act alone, which has been said before explicitly. MS. MYERS: I don't mean to imply a change in policy. The President has said all along that he wants to act in concert with our allies on this. Q One other little question. Did he know about this letter from the foreign service officers before it hit the papers? MS. MYERS: I don't believe so. Secretary Christopher -- they may have had a private conversation about it. The President has not seen it. Q They met on Monday, right? Christopher met -- surely, he must have brought that up -- MS. MYERS: Again, they may have talked privately about it, but -- Q Dee Dee, what you're saying is that the Albright recommendation has been rejected, is that correct? MS. MYERS: No, I didn't say that at all. I said I won't -- I said I wouldn't comment on any conversations or communications. Q She's advocating unilateral action and you're saying, in effect, that we will not take unilateral action. MS. MYERS: I am not confirming anything that Madeleine Albright may or may not have recommended. Q Given the sometimes delicate, complicated and frustrating nature of negotiations with the allies on this issue, does the President find this kind of letter from 12 foreign service officers of the State Department helpful to that process, hurtful to that? MS. MYERS: I think that their views are obviously being considered. The Secretary received that memo on Saturday and two days later he met with them in order to have a more thorough airing of their views, of the basis for their views, to discuss in greater detail the options that they had presented in the letter. Q Doesn't it put some kind of pressure on -- additional pressure on him now from within his own administration to act regardless of what the allies may or may not do? MS. MYERS: I think clearly there's a broad policy review underway now. And the President and his advisors are considering a number of options, including some of those outlined in the letter from the folks over at the State Department. Now, no decisions have been made on that yet, but I think that there is a through review underway, and that their opinions are being very seriously considered. Q If I can just follow up, I guess what I'm looking for is what was his reaction to this letter? Did he say, good, this bolsters my position? Or did he say, damn, this is just what I don't need right now? MS. MYERS: I think he said this helps contribute substantively to the debate. It's important that all views be considered and aired thoroughly, that before he makes a decision he wants to have the best possible advice and information possible, and this, I think in many ways, furthers that goal. Q So internal advice to a Cabinet official or the President -- it's all open now, and you wouldn't take any umbrage or say that they were out of line? MS. MYERS: I think that the fact that Secretary Christopher met with them to discuss their views and make sure they had an opportunity to have a more complete conversation about it is conclusive evidence that their views are welcome. Q Does the policy review include what Madeleine Albright has suggested, and what Joe Biden and others have suggested, which is that the previous U.N. resolutions authorize unilateral action -- military action -- for the delivery of humanitarian -- MS. MYERS: I think all options are on the table. Q The unilateral option is on the table? MS. MYERS: I think all options are on the table. Q We've had two different -- Q Isn't that a change, Dee Dee? Q That would be a change of policy. Q Particularly if it includes ground troops, which has been specifically ruled out. MS. MYERS: I think the President has been -- well, no. I don't -- that is not -- Q Are you talking about all options? MS. MYERS: All options -- I think the President has been fairly clear about that. So let me just review again what he has said. He has said that -- the President has said all options are on the table, with the exception of the introduction of ground troops, which he has never suggested. He has ruled that out from the beginning. Q Hasn't he ruled out unilateral action of any sort? MS. MYERS: He has said that he doesn't believe the U.S. can solve the problems in the former Yugoslavia by itself. I think that there are a number of very complicated options on the table right now. I don't think that -- again, I don't want to comment on specific options that are being considered other than in the broad categories that we've already said -- things like lifting the arms embargo against the Bosnian Muslims, things that I think we've talked about in broad terms. This is a very complicated situation. The options being presented and considered are very complicated. Q Air strikes on the table? MS. MYERS: Again, I think that's been fairly clearly pointed out that that's something that's being discussed. Q Dee Dee, are ground troops on the -- MS. MYERS: No, ground troops are not being considered. Q You said there was not going to be -- you said you were not announcing a change of policy. Then you said everything is on the table. We're confused. Are unilateral actions on the table? MS. MYERS: All I can tell you is what the President has said -- that he doesn't believe -- that he wants to act in concert with the allies on this. Q Wants to, but he's willing to -- I mean, if they don't go along -- MS. MYERS: He's continuing to consult with our allies on this. He's continuing to have discussions. He's continuing to press them for further action. And I think that's clear. The conversation is ongoing. We're going to continue to work with them to find the best possible solution and next step on this. Q Dee Dee, the allies have taken the position that to conduct any kind of air strikes in Bosnia would have the opposite effect of ensuring the delivery of humanitarian aid; that they feel that their troops on the ground monitoring the delivery of that aid would become vulnerable and the Bosnians -- MS. MYERS: I'm not sure that's the consistent -- I mean, I'm not sure who you're referring to. Q The British and the French. Q Yes, the British and French. They've taken the position that the delivery of humanitarian aid would be jeopardized by any kind of air strikes against the Bosnian military. Does the U.S. believe differently from that? MS. MYERS: The President has had conversations with both Mitterrand and Major, as you know. I think that there is a thorough review of policy going on in those countries as well. And I don't want to comment on the nature of the President's discussions other than to say that he's continuing to consult with our allies as we move forward and he's continuing to press them for further action. And I think that process is ongoing. Q the other day voted against any military intervention yesterday. Does the President regard that as the end of the line or does he does still hold out some possibility of unilateral action? The allies have been very, very plain that they do not want to do anything. MS. MYERS: The consultations are ongoing. That's all I can tell you at this point. Q Are you saying that there won't be any announcement on Bosnia today in the press conference? MS. MYERS: No, that is not the intention of the press conference. Q What is the intention? MS. MYERS: It's an opportunity to take questions. He may have a brief -- I'm sure he'll have a brief opening statement, but it is not an opportunity to outline a new policy on Bosnia. That will not happen. Q Can you tell us what the subject of the opening statement is? MS. MYERS: It's sort of a general statement of where we are. Q After the first hundred days, you mean? MS. MYERS: It's not a long statement. I mean, this is just generally. Don't look for any major policy pronouncements. Q Do you know what the opening statement is? MS. MYERS: But it's -- perhaps later today I'll be able to tell you with more certainty -- I think that's still under review. But the overriding purpose of this -- it's not a mystery; it's not meant to be. It's just to take questions. Q It would be helpful to know whether -- what the opening statement is on. MS. MYERS: Since the major purpose here is just to take questions, it's not completely resolved yet. Q Dee Dee, one policy that was expected last week and that the White House, you and George seemed to indicate we might get, would be an AIDS czar. Will he announce that today? And what's the delay on that? MS. MYERS: I don't think we meant to imply -- I think we said it would happen soon. I don't think we meant to imply with any certainty that it would be this week. It is coming soon. I don't anticipate that happening today. Q What's the delay? Isn't this the perfect time to announce an AIDS czar? MS. MYERS: I don't know that it's a delay. I think the process is ongoing to find the best possible person and to go through the necessary background checks, and to make sure that we've crossed the t's and dotted the i's before we make an announcement. Q Dee Dee, what are Zoe Baird's qualifications for the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board? And why wasn't her appointment announced here? MS. MYERS: The qualifications -- I don't know if there's a specific list; I'll have to check and see. I think there are a number of people there on the board with different backgrounds. Many of them have long histories in intelligence or other government service. I think there's a broad variety of views across political spectrum and across backgrounds that are represented there. We never made a formal announcement other than the Chairman of the Board, which is Admiral William Crowe. Q Why would he appoint her, though, if the American people and many in the Senate rejected her for another government job? MS. MYERS: I don't believe that the American people ever had -- voted on her. And I certainly -- she was never rejected in the Senate. She never went up there for a hearing. But the President believes she's a very competent person. He's said that -- Zoe Baird -- do you understand what the question is? Zoe Baird is on the President's Foreign Intelligence -- Q You said she never went up there for a hearing? Q Her nomination was withdrawn after public outrage over violating federal laws? MS. MYERS: Right, she never -- she was never -- but you said she was rejected by the Senate. I was just simply trying to point out that she was never voted on by the Senate. Q So you don't think that is any problem? MS. MYERS: I don't think there's any problem. Q She has been appointed to this board, is that a fact? MS. MYERS: Yes. Q Does she need confirmation for this? Does she need confirmation to be a member of the -- MS. MYERS: No. It's a presidential appointment. Q Usually, announcements are made here at the White House. Was there a decision not to announce her publicly? MS. MYERS: We didn't make an announcement. People who asked were told who the members of the board were. We didn't make an official announcement. If anybody's interested in that we can certainly put out the list of names. Q I'd like to know. Q Don't such board members -- don't you normally as a matter of -- routinely put out releases on all these boards and presidential appointment regardless of their dimension? MS. MYERS: Not always. But, again, I'm happy to put this out. Q Isn't that the standard practice? Q That was past practice. MS. MYERS: Again, I'm happy to put it out. We'll put out a list of the members of the board today. Q Dee Dee, I don't want to try to fail to let you get out of this swamp but -- (laughter) -- all I really want to know is hasn't it been the practice in this administration for such announcements to be made routinely? MS. MYERS: I think generally but not always. And we're happy to put that out today. Q What is the board, what is her title, what is the size of the board? MS. MYERS: There is roughly a dozen members on the board. It is a civilian board, although their are some, obviously, retired military personnel on the board that provide input into intelligence policy for the President. Again, the chairman of that board is Admiral William Crowe. Q And did he recommend Baird? Q What's the name of the board? MS. MYERS: It's the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, PFIAB. Q What's her qualification -- that she had employed an illegal alien? Is that -- (laughter) -- MS. MYERS: Do you want an answer to the question or you just want to make a joke? Q Let me phrase it another way. Why shouldn't this appointment be viewed as a pay-back for the difficulty she had a couple of months ago? MS. MYERS: Because it's not. Q What's her experience in foreign intelligence? MS. MYERS: She's an experienced attorney, someone who the President believes is very competent and qualified. And I think part of the mission of this board is to provide civilian input. Not everybody on the board is supposed to be an intelligence expert; that is not the board's mission. It is to provide civilian input for the President as he makes decisions regarding intelligence matters. He believes she's very qualified, very competent person, enormously talented and has said that throughout. Q Is this just a figment of my overactive imagination, or was there discussion early on about abolishing the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board? MS. MYERS: I don't think so. On December 24th, when he announced all of his foreign policy advisors he announced that he would -- had appointed Admiral Crowe as the head of the board. So I don't believe there's ever been any -- Q Earlier than that, during the transition. MS. MYERS: No, I don't believe so. It was announced, again, on December 24th. Admiral Crowe couldn't be there, but it was announced. Q Are members paid? MS. MYERS: I don't believe so, but I'll double-check. Q On another subject, on Waco, how do you explain the discrepancy between the federal reports of the autopsies of the bodies that are coming out of Waco and the state? I guess it's the Texas Ranger reports. MS. MYERS: Most of the information is coming -- the federal information is coming from the site. Clearly, there's been some discrepancies and the Justice Department is looking into it. Officials in the Justice Department were told, I believe the day before yesterday, that there were several bodies found with bullet holes. I think there's some discrepancy about that, and the Justice Department is looking into it. Q Is the President going to get involved in trying to sort out what seems to be becoming a jurisdictional morass down there, with some people withdrawing, others saying they're in charge, but others -- Justice, FBI, Texas Rangers -- all grabbing a piece of this? MS. MYERS: I don't know that he's going to try to mediate the dispute. I mean, I'll let you know if there's anything he intends to do about it. But as you know, there are several levels of investigation ongoing, and we're hopeful that they can work together. Q Is there any one agency or official down there in charge of everything? MS. MYERS: I don't know. I'll have to get back to you on that. Q What is the subject matter of Sunday's speech? MS. MYERS: It's going to be fairly general. I don't think it's going to be any specific announcements. I think it's going to be sort of a -- Q Does he have a topic that he's going to talk about? MS. MYERS: We're still working on it. But I wouldn't look for any announcements of, like, the drug czar or something like that. Q Is it sort of a 100 days speech, sort of ""my excellent adventure for 100 days""? (Laughter.) MS. MYERS: Not exactly, but I think he'll take a little bit broader look about what's happened in the last -- Q Foreign, domestic? MS. MYERS: A little bit of both, but I think a lot of domestic. Q And overview. MS. MYERS: Yes, more of an overview than a specific policy announcement. Q Has there been an agreement yet on a forum by which the President will address the gay rights march on Sunday? MS. MYERS: It will be a letter read to the crowd by Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi. Q Is that available? MS. MYERS: Not yet, but it will be. Sure. Q Are you going to put it out here or -- MS. MYERS: We'll probably put it out here on Sunday. Q Travel next week? MS. MYERS: Unclear. Q What was the question? Q Likely? MS. MYERS: I don't -- Q Likely? Possible? MS. MYERS: Possible. Q What's possible? MS. MYERS: Travel. Q George mentioned yesterday campaign finance reform and national service legislative proposals next week. Do you have days yet for them? MS. MYERS: Not yet. Q Can you tell us which order? MS. MYERS: Campaign finance reform first; national service later in the week. Q Is there any coverage tomorrow in Williamsburg? MS. MYERS: No. Q And any report in the aftermath of the day? MS. MYERS: Any readout from the day? Q Readout. MS. MYERS: It's possible. Jeff Eller will be down there. I think he can go through what the President did during the day. We don't expect any photo op or anything, other than departure here in the morning. Q Dee Dee, the President has not made a regular practice, as some of his predecessors have, of going to Camp David. In fact, he's been there -- what -- once or twice? MS. MYERS: Twice. Q Why this weekend? MS. MYERS: He went two weekends ago, as you know, on the way home from his father-in-law's funeral. I think that they found it to be a good experience and a nice way for them to spend some time together as a family. And this is just an opportunity to do the same. Q There's no march there. Q It has nothing to do with the march here? MS. MYERS: No. Q Since he's going to be in town Sunday morning now instead of in Jamestown, have you thought about him making a quick pass-by, fly-over -- (laughter) -- MS. MYERS: He'll fly straight to Boston. Q Flying straight did you say? (Laughter.) Q George took a question yesterday on Waco. The President had said on Tuesday in the Rose Garden that there was a minor disagreement on tactics between the military advisors and the FBI. And the question was whether you knew exactly what that was and whether it related to the use of the particular kind of tear gas. Do you have an answer on that? MS. MYERS: I don't. I'll check. THE PRESS: Thank you.",talk.politics.misc 1814," No wonder you 'wieneramus' are in such a mess. Following the Greek Cypriot attempt to annex the island to Greece with the aid of the Greek army, Turkiye intervened by using her legal right given by two international agreements. Turkiye did it for the frequently and conveniently forgotten people of the island, Turkish Cypriots. For those Turkish Cypriots whose grandparents have been living on the island since 1571. And the next is 'Karabag'. The people of Turkiye know quite well that Greece and the Greek Cypriots will never abandon the idea of hellenizing Cyprus and will remain eternally hopeful of uniting it with Greece, someday, whatever the cost to the parties involved. The history speaks for itself. Greece was the sole perpetrator of invasion on that island when it sent its troops on July 15, 1974 in an attempt to topple the legitimate government of Archibishop Makarios. The release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the 'enosis' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not forget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to destroy the island's independence by annexing it to Greece. Of course, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences for this irresponsible conduct. THE MUSEUM OF BARBARISM 2 Irfan Bey Street, Kumsal Area, Nicosia, Cyprus It is the house of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a major who was serving at the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent. During the attacks launched against the Turks by the Greeks, on 20th December 1963, Dr. Nihat Ilhan's wife and three children were ruthlessly and brutally killed in the bathroom, where they had tried to hide, by savage Greeks. Dr. Nihat Ilhan happened to be on duty that night, the 24th December 1963. Pictures reflecting Greek atrocities committed during and after 1963 are exhibited in this house which has been converted into a museum. AN EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNT OF HOW A TURKISH FAMILY WAS BUTCHERED BY GREEK TERRORISTS The date is the 24th of December, 1963... The onslaught of the Greeks against the Turks, which started three days ago, has been going on with all its ferocity; and defenseless women, old men and children are being brutally killed by Greeks. And now Kumsal Area of Nicosia witnesses the worst example of the Greeks savage bloodshed... The wife and the three infant children of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a major on duty at the camp of the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent, are mercilessly and dastardly shot dead while hiding in the bathroom of their house, by maddened Greeks who broke into their home. A glaring example of Greek barbarism. Let us now listen to the relating of the said incident told by Mr. Hasan Yusuf Gudum, an eye witness, who himself was wounded during the same terrible event. ""On the night of the 24th of December, 1963 my wife Feride Hasan and I were paying a visit to the family of Major Dr. Nihat Ilhan. Our neighbours Mrs. Ayshe of Mora, her daughter Ishin and Mrs. Ayshe's sister Novber were also with us. We were all sitting having supper. All of a sudden bullets from the Pedieos River direction started to riddle the house, sounding like heavy rain. Thinking that the dining-room where we were sitting was dangerous, we ran to the bathroom and toilet which we thought would be safer. Altogether we were nine persons. We all hid in the bathroom except my wife who took refuge in the toilet. We waited in fear. Mrs. Ilhan the wife of Major Doctor, was standing in the bath with her three children Murat, Kutsi and Hakan in her arms. Suddenly with a great noise we heard the front door open. Greeks had come in and were combing, every corner of the house with their machine gun bullets. During these moments I heard voices saying, in Greek, ""You want Taksim eh!"" and then bullets started flying in the bathroom. Mrs. Ilhan and her three children fell into the bath. They were shot. At this moment the Greeks, who broke into the bathroom, emptied their guns on us again. I heard one of the Major's children moan, then I fainted. When I came to myself 2 or 3 hours later, I saw Mrs. Ilhan and her three children lying dead in the bath. I and the rest of the neighbours in the bathroom were all seriously wounded. But what had happened to my wife? Then I remembered and immediately ran to the toilet, where, in the doorway, I saw her body. She was brutally murdered. In the street admist the sound of shots I heard voices crying ""Help, help. Is there no one to save us?"" I became terrified. I thought that if the Greeks came again and found that I was not dead they would kill me. So I ran to the bedroom and hid myself under the double-bed. An our passed by. In the distance I could still hear shots. My mouth was dry, so I came out from under the bed and drank some water. Then I put some sweets in my pocket and went back to the bathroom, which was exactly as I had left in an hour ago. There I offered sweets to Mrs. Ayshe, her daughter and Mrs. Novber who were all wounded. We waited in the bathroom until 5 o'clock in the morning. I thought morning would never come. We were all wounded and needed to be taken to hospital. Finally, as we could walk, Mrs. Novber and I, went out into the street hoping to find help, and walked as far as Koshklu Chiftlik. There, we met some people who took us to hospital where we were operated on. When I regained my consciousness I said that there were more wounded in the house and they went and brought Mrs. Ayshe and her daughter. After staying three days in the hospital I was sent by plane to Ankara for further treatment. There I have had four months treatment but still I cannot use my arm. On my return to Cyprus, Greeks arrested me at the Airport. All I have related to you above I told the Greeks during my detention. They then released me."" ON FOOT INTO CYPRUS'S DEVASTATED TURKISH QUARTER We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people have been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there, and we saw some terrible sights. In the Kumsal quarter at No. 2, Irfan Bey Sokagi, we made our way into a house whose floors were covered with broken glass. A child's bicycle lay in a corner. In the bathroom, looking like a group of waxworks, were three children piled on top of their murdered mother. In a room next to it we glimpsed the body of a woman shot in the head. This, we were told, was the home of a Turkish Army major whose family had been killed by the mob in the first violence. Today was five days later, and still they lay there. Rene MacCOLL and Daniel McGEACHIE, (From the ""DAILY EXPRESS"") ""...I saw in a bathroom the bodies of a mother and three infant children murdered because their father was a Turkish Officer..."" Max CLOS, LE FIGARO 25-26 January, 1964 Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 1815,"Review of 1989 Ford Taurus SHO -- By Gene Kim ============================================= Background: Last week, I bought a 1989 Ford Taurus SHO, moving up from driving a 1987 Toyota Celica ST and a 1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass. I have been interested in buying a SHO for about five months and have been combing the classifieds in Denver and Chicago every week. I bought a remarkably clean maroon/red SHO with 92K miles on it for $6800. As far as I can tell, this is about $2000 under Blue Book and I still have another 8000 miles before the Extended Service Plan runs out. As one should with any pre-1991 SHOs, I made sure that the car was already refit with the upgraded clutch and pressure plate, as well as having been recalled for upgraded rotors and seatbelt attachments. However, my SHO does not have the newer rod shifter -- I understand I can get this for $230 from any Ford service center. In addition, the car received the full tune-up at 60K miles, receiving new platinum plugs and valve adjustment. For a car with 92K miles on it, the car was virtually immaculate. The clearcoat paint job was devoid of any large chips or dents, although the front air-dam/molding was covered with lots of small scratches -- not surprising since most of the miles were spent on the highway. Having driven a smaller two-door coupe for so long, I was a bit concerned about whether I could get used to driving a larger car. To my surprise, the size of the car doesn't bother me at all -- it seems just as nimble as my Celica! (No comparisons with my Oldsmobile. :-) Visibility from the driver's seat is excellent, helped mostly by of the small the quarter-windows, aft of the back-seat door windows and in front of the C-pillar and rear window. Parallel parking is a bit more difficult, but other than that, I love the size. In fact, I'm starting to appreciate the large trunk as I pack up for a 14-hour drive to Washington, DC for the summer. More on the ride later in this review. Engine: As with anyone even slightly interested in SHOs, I was very interested in the 24-valve 3.0L Yamaha ""Shogun"" engine. I was not disappointed. Base performance of the engine under 4000 rpms is good. You can even do reasonable launches from second gear, although I don't make a practice of this. The engine revs smoothly and eagerly -- tooling around town does not require many shifts. This is good since the shifter is definitely one of the weakest points of the car. (More on this later.) While the performance of the engine under 4000 rpms may be unremarkable, it undergoes a Jekyll/Hyde transformation once you hit higher revs. At 4500 rpms, a butterfly valve opens and you can literally hear and feel the geometry of the engine changing as twelve more valves open up. The engine soars to its 7000 rpm redline, and you are treated to, in my opinion, the sweetest sounding V6 around. The engine inexplicably sounds OVERJOYED to be at 6500 rpm! I've noticed that when I drive around town, I constantly watch the tach to see how far below 4000 rpm I am. To go from 2000 rpm to 4000, you may have to punch the accelerator -- while torque is more than adequate, it doesn't come fully online until those other 12 valves are used. Transmission: When _Car and Driver_ first reviewed the car in 1988, they marvelled at how Ford had put such a wimpy clutch and balky shifter into the car. I remember driving a friend's parent's SHO in 1990, and remember thinking about whether I had the leg strength to drive the car in traffic -- the clutch was that stiff. That was back then. The entire clutch assembly on my SHO has been replaced under a Ford recall in 1991. The clutch on the SHO feels no stiffer than the one on my Toyota Celica. In fact, the friction point seems a bit larger and more forgiving. When playing with the shifter with the car parked, the shifter felt very reasonable. The 1-2 and 3-4 gates were where you'd expect it to be, and the shifting action was smooth. On the road, it's much the same -- but you have to shift SLOWLY! Make no mistake, it's a clumsy shifter. When hurrying shifts, like when I was initially trying to impress friends, I consistently miss the 1-2 shift, often grope clumsily for the 2-3 shift, and sometimes even muff the 3-4 shift. I find this pretty amazing in a car like this. It also took me several days to realize that you get the smoothest shifts when you take your time. Seems obvious, but compared to my Toyota and my friend's Honda, this seems atrocious and clumsy. Someone on rec.autos noted that CRXs should blow SHOs off-the-line because of the incredibly clumsy shifter. I now shift much more sedately, and the shifter seems more reasonable. When you play within these bounds, the shifter works smoothly with no surprises. I don't know whether the rod shifter upgrade would help at all. Along these same lines, I initially had trouble shifting gears smoothly. Again, slowing down the shifts and taking more care to match revs when letting out the clutch helped immensely. This took several days for me to get the hang of. (I think some of my problems were because I've never had a car with enough power to balk at bad shifts in higher gears.) Occasionally, I have trouble shifting into reverse. The shifter refuses to enter the gate, and I often grind the synchros trying to get it into gear. I'll be watching this carefully in the next couple of months. A quirk: When I upshift and the engine drops back to 1000-2500 rpm, I hear a whirring and then a grinding noise coming from the the engine compartment. Not terribly loud, but the passenger can definitely hear it. I asked about it when I was looking at the car, as do all my passengers. Apparently, this is a definitely a ""SHO sound"" and is the gearbox -- apparently called ""gear rollover"". Replies to my queries on rec.autos are at the end of this review. Exterior: As I mentioned before, I am astounded by how well the body of this SHO has stood up. Paint chipping on the front bumper and grille are virtually non-existent. Looking at how older Tauri sometimes don't age so gracefully, I wonder what the guys at Ford did differently to the SHO bodies. The body, in my opinion, is extremely attractive with matching color body moldings than the stock Tauri. For some odd reason, the SHO seems different enough from vanilla Tauri to get stares at stoplights -- of course, this could be my overactive imagination. :-) SHOs get fog lights, a more open grille, a completely monochromatic exterior, and a deeper ground skirt in the back with ""SHO"" stenciled in relief. I've seen a couple SHOs whose owners have colored these in with florescent colors or in black. Yuck. I don't think the car is flashy. I like it that way. I feel almost anonymous with all those Tauri out there, but different and distinctive enough to those of us who care. :-) Interior: The interior is what really makes me feel like I don't deserve the car. The seats are grey leather, the steering wheel and shifter are covered with black leather, and the entire instrument panel is done in a black/grey/metallic scheme. The instrumentation is stock Taurus, except for the 140 mph speedo and 8000 rpm tach. You get a center console with two cupholders, a large compartment under the radio (great for a CD player), an armrest that contains yet another compartment, three appropriately sized coin holders for tollways (I think), and a compartment for holding cassette tapes. There's map-holders in the doors, and an oddly small glove compartment. I spilled a whole can of Coke in the cupholder and was delighted to find that the entire rubber holder can be removed and washed in a sink. Hey, I'm really impressed with the ergonomics and thoughtfulness that went into its design. And it's a 1989, before the interior was upgraded! The backseat is bigger than any car I've had. Why do they need so much space? :-) (No smart-ass comments, please. :-) The driver and passenger seat have lumbar and side bolsters. From what I hear, it's not uncommon for the side bolsters to show wear. Mine is no exception. The left side bolster on the driver's has cracked and I'm not convinced the right bolster is inflating all the way. A big surprise for me: I forgot that SHOs don't have a normal hand parking brake. Instead, they have the regular parking brake that you press with your left foot. Too bad. Again, I'm getting used to it, but it seems a bit anachronistic to me. Ride: The suspension is nice and stiff. Too stiff? It's stiffer than any car I've had. A friend's new 1993 Toyota Celica ST seems tauter and is still able to soak up bumps better. The SHO seems stiffer with less ability to soak up bumps. Driving over railroad tracks is a noisy and jarring affair. On the other hand, taking turns feels wonderful because the body is so rigid and doesn't flex at all -- I listened for that before I bought the car. On the highway, the ride is great. When I drove the car from Chicago back to Purdue, I had trouble keeping under 85 mph, let alone from trying to see what 100 mph really feels like. It's a relatively quiet ride, but the sunroof rattles. I've tried to find out what exactly makes all the noise up there, but it seems to be the window that rests on the rails. No easy way to get rid of it, I think. Over the past three days, I've oscillated between thinking the suspension is wonderful and perfect and thinking that the ride is way too rough. (Not for me, mind you. But I wonder whether I would advise my dad to buy one for himself.) But, I've discovered, as with the shifter, if you take your time with shifts, you'll have no reason to complain. Let me explain... The ride is worst when turning and applying lots of power to the wheels. I feel the wheels scrabbling for traction and torque steer making the car skitter left and right. After I understood this, I avoid the limits of traction -- and I'm a happy camper again. It's not body rigidity, but the composure of the car. As if matching the suspension, the steering feel is quite heavy. My first impression of driving my SHO was how hard you had to turn the wheel at highway speeds. It tracks straight as an arrow, but when driving around a parking lot, the high-effort steering didn't seem so useful. However, it's reasonable, but it doesn't communicate the road to the driver as well as a 1993 Ford Probe GT. IMHO, it's much better than the steering on my Celica ST. I wonder how bad this car is during winter? Miscellaneous notes: GRIPES: The rattles from the sunroof is intermittent -- some days it rattles loudly, other days I look up wondering where all the noise went. Activating the sunroof is sometimes very noisy -- loud squealing as it retracts on its rails. I wonder if there is a quick fix for this. Again, other days it completely disappears. (Function of humidity?) Once I made the connection between the sometimes awful feeling suspension and torque steer, I've never complained about ride. I wish the seats had more support under the thighs. Also, I wish the side bolsters would close more tightly. I hear that tires for this car can get really expensive. I currently have Goodyear GT+4s that cost the previous owner $500 for four. I used to hate the Ford stereo systems -- whose idea was it to use a volume *paddle*? Now, to my amazement, I don't really mind... and sometimes think it's an okay idea!!! Pretty ridiculous, though. Getting up to 4000 rpm sometimes seems to be a chore. But, this is no big deal. There is more than enough torque down low. I often goof up the shifting when driving with friends. It took me a couple of days before I could really shift smoothly from 2nd to 3rd gear. (Hard to believe, isn't it?) My car has almost 93,000 miles on it. My parents noted that it is almost impossible to find a low-mileage SHO. Astute observation, IMHO. I wonder how long I can make my SHO last -- I just bought a book titled ""Drive It Forever"" for tips in this department. :-) The goofy parking brake pedal still throws me for a loop. I once parked the car in gear, and then accidentally let out the clutch after I started it. The car jolted forward, and bounced off the car in front of me -- no paint damage at all, but starting the car is a whole new ritual for me with that fangled pedal! Also, I began to wonder how strong that brake really is. (Today, I backed out of parking spot today and started to drive away before I noticed the glowing brake light. Oops.) The driver's power window creaks when closed all the way. The same thing happens in my parents 1989 Mercury Sable. Oddly, all the other windows work smoothly. LIKES: I'm liking the interior amenities more and more each day. The cupholders are great. I didn't expect to use the keyless entry buttons so much, but it really is handy. You can lock all the doors by pressing the 7/8 and 9/10 buttons together! Neat! And you can never lock yourself out of the car. I really feel like I don't deserve this car. I really can't believe that I could afford it. I got this car ten years ahead of schedule. :-) I love this car so much that I've been telling my parents to look into buying one. I love this car so much that I wrote this 13K file -- I meant to write a couple of lines and ended up with this. If there were a J.D. Powers Survey for used car owners, I would have an opportunity to express my incredible satisfaction of owning this car. I don't like thinking about getting another car, but at this point in time, I'm sure I'd buy another SHO. For under $7000, you can't beat it. (Next time with an airbag and ABS, though.) Insurance-wise, this car is also a big win. I pay the same premiums as on my 1987 Toyota Celica -- despite that it has nearly twice the horsepower. Other Odds and Ends: Much to my amazement, there is no SHO mailing list anywhere. Maybe because the _SHO Registry_ publication has filled this void. I haven't joined yet, but I've noticed that queries about SHOs still appear on rec.autos about once a month. Owners of SHOs are always quick to respond, and are very vocal fans of the cars. (Maybe some of the most vocal on rec.autos. :-) I've put together the responses to my questions about the cars, as well as other posts with useful information on these cars. I'll be posting this in the form of a FAQ soon. If anyone is interested in starting a mailing list, please speak up! I don't know if I have the resources here at Purdue to start one, but maybe someone out there does. ",rec.autos 1816," ",None 1817,"I am happy to announce the first public release of the bit program, an INTERACTIVE, FULL COLOR image viewer and editor based on SGI GL. Besides typical touchup tasks, such as crop, rotate, smooth, etc, bit offers some unique features not available in similar programs, such as text and vector support and the separation of text and image. The following is the relevant sections from the man page. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Release of May, 1993 BIT(1L) NAME bit - Bitmap Image Touchup for SGI Workstations DESCRIPTION bit is an interactive full color image viewer and editor based on Silicon Graphics GL. As a full color program, bit handles images of both 24bits and color index in a natural and efficient manner. As an image viewer, bit allows list of images to be displayed in their original type (24bits or color index) in any order and in any of the many built-in styles of display. You can walk up and down the list using mouse and keyboard, or you can let bit do the walk for you (The SlideShow). With the pan and zoom features, large images can be viewed in full without being limited by the window or screen size. As an image editor, bit performs a large number of image editing and processing tasks accurately and efficiently. It keeps information loss at any stage of the editing process at an absolute minimum by performing subpixel sampling automatically while conserving the input image type whenever possible to avoid unnecessary promotion and/or quantization of input images. You can also cut a piece of an image and paste it into another. In addition, arbitrarily colored and sized text and simple geometric figures can be rendered on top of an image for annotation with the option to make them part of the bitmap or output separately to take advantage of the higher printer resolutions (e.g. PostScript). Bit can also be used as a graphical user interface to many existing image processing programs by defining external bindings which in essence turn command line oriented programs into bit subfunctions and can be accessed by a press of a button, and best of all, the processed image will be read back and displayed immediately. Convolution using exter- nally defined matrices of arbitrary order can be performed dynamically giving great flexibility in processing an image. FEATURES Bit performs all of its image manipulations interactively with a continuous progress report, and once the processing is complete, the processed image will be displayed. Current features include o Rotates an image by an arbitrary angle with the option of anti-aliasing and filling the ""rotated out"" region with an arbitrary color. o Scales an image by arbitrary factors in x- and/or y-directions with the option of subpixel sampling. o Renders text of arbitrary color, size or orientation on top of an image with the option of rendering directly into the raster or saving the text and raster separately, such as into a PostScript file, to take advantage of a higher printer resolution. Besides normal text strings, many predefined special symbols can be input conveniently as in TeX(1), e.g., $\alpha$\small$\beta$ produces Greek alphabet alpha followed by a slightly smaller Greek alphabet beta. o Presents graphically the histogram of an image. o Performs arbitrary 1-to-1 pixel transformation. The transformation function can be specified interactively and can be of arbitrary forms. Further, the transformation can be applied to RGB channels separately or simultaneously and to the entire image or a portion of it. Many difficult tasks, such as thresholding, can be accomplished rather easily by 1-to-1 transformation in combination with the avai- lability of graphical histograms of the image. o Places simple geometric figures (SGFs), e.g., arrows, circles, trian- gles etc., of arbitrary color, size and orientation into an image at arbitrary locations addressed either in absolute pixels or in some user definable coordinate system units, with the option of rendering directly into the raster or save the sgfs and raster separately (e.g, PostScript file). All SGFs can be scaled in x- and y-directions independently or simultaneously (this is how to get an ellipse from a circle). o Performs edge detection. In combination with image histograms and 1- to-1 transformation, very accurate result can be obtained. o Performs histogram equalization. o Performs convolution with externally defined (square) matrices of arbitrary order. o Crops a rectangular portion of an image. o Cuts and pastes across images. o Magnifies any portion of an image by any amount. o Displays a list of images in sequence with a user specifiable pause interval between images. (SlideShow) o Measures RGB intensities of a pixel at any location or all pixels along an arbitrary line with the result presented as RGB intensities or as an intensity vs. distance plot. o Performs image type conversions. o Converts image formats. o Smoothes an image (Special convolution). o Filters an image by external programs and read the filtered image back and display it. o Modify an individual pixel's RGB values. o Performs FFT on the entire image or a portion of it and display the resulting power spectra. o Spray and brush paint in full color (unavailable in this pre-release). SUPPORTED FORMATS o IRIS RGB, native to SGI IRIS o JPEG(JFIF) format o CompuServ GIF o PNM(Portable Any Map), including PPM, PGM and PBM. o XBM (X Window Bitmap) o TIFF o PostScript(Write only) Hardware requirements: --------------------------------------------------------------- Any SGI workstation that supports RGBmode(), including indigoes. Where to get it: --------------------------------------------------------------- anonymous ftp to monte.svec.uh.edu /pub/bit/bitxxx.tar.Z where xxx is the version number. Current version is 0.73 Read src/01Readme for installation instructions after unpacking Acknowledgement: --------------------------------------------------------------- JPEG support is based on the Independent JPEG groups's library Version 4. FORMS library, developed by Mark Overmars, is used for GUI. Both JPEG and FORMS library are included in this release. --------------------------------------------------------------- Bit is the program you will ever need to view and annotate images; The built-in editing features will satisfy most of your editing needs. In addition, the external filter and dynamical kernel will utilize any program you already have. So try it (and you will like it).",comp.graphics 1818," That was probably me. I meant only that nobody has overreacted yet. It seemed to me that Jerry was suggesting that people are currently overreacting, and I vehemently disagree. I see a lot of talk, but not much action. I see now that I misunderstood Jerry's position. Not this bunch. They'll just bitch on the Net for a while, and then go back to lurking. Actually, it's not quite that bad, but it's close. Look, we (collectively) have the power to throw the bums out, but we don't use it. We clearly don't need to go burning things down, but we clearly do need to throw at least some of the bums out. Unfortunately, the bums have learned to target only small groups of people at a single time, so the masses won't react and throw them out. Eventually, the masses will react, unless the bums cease their relentless encroachment on liberty and despoilment of the economy. The sooner it happens, the less the damages will be. I don't want to live in a war zone, either -- I want to see the bums thrown out before they do some *real* damage.",sci.crypt 1819," Robert McElwaine is the authoritative source of scientific data on Internet. He can be reached alt.fan.mc-elwaine... Spiros",sci.space 1820,"I need to sell two pairs of BladeRunner in-line skates (we don't use them). One is size 9 and one is size 12. They are less than a year old and were used very little, generally in the Corridor. They are in very good condition. They sell at Lechmere for $99.98 (we still have the boxes, if you want them) and we'd like to get $85/OBO for them. Please respond by e-mail.",misc.forsale 1821," If that's the ONLY reason, I'd be inclined to doubt whether or not what they profess is Christianity. The relationship of faith is based upon trust. Fear and trust are generally incompatible. If my only motivation is fear, is there room for trust? If so, there's room for faith. If fear precludes trust, then there can't be faith. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ",soc.religion.christian 1822,"Hello, I heard that a certain disease (toxoplasmosys?) is transmitted by cats which can harm the unborn fetus. Does anybody know about it? Is it a problem to have a cat in the same apartment? Thanks ",sci.med 1823,"This comes indirectly from Al Morgani who works in the studio for ESPN hockey. The management of ESPN was reluctant to leave the Pitt-NJ game (even though the outcome was certain) because of fear of the Wash-Ny game going to overtime. When the Caps scored with :02 left to tie the game, Al said he heard many people say f**K .!#$%. ESPN is under contractual obligation to show baseball and COULD NOT broadcast the OT of the hockey game. Next year, ESPN2 will be introduced so baseball fans can watch baseball and hockey fans can watch hockey. GET OFF ESPN'S BACK AND STOP POSTING ARTICLES ON THIS SUBJECT!!! There have been to many f****n complainers about this game that it's making me sick.",rec.sport.hockey 1824,"Well, I'm not going to quote the message, but anyhow... Mail fraud is a FEDERAL OFFENCE! PUNNISHABLE BY TIME AND >>> BIG <<< > > > B I G < < < F I N E S ! ! ! ! What you can do is contact the local authorities in Arizona where this scammer resides, inform them of the situation (if you have proof of the transaction, that would also help), and they should be able to take it from there. Yeah, this guy CAN get heavily penalized for this. Don't think that just because you have never met he cannot be prosecuted. !!! TAKE HIM > D O W N < !!! ... hope I'm not being too foreward?... _________________________________________________ Inspiration | ___ | comes to | \ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca | those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca | seek the | /-\ =] Baden de Bari [= | unknown. | |",misc.forsale 1825," That was Clint Malarchuk. That was a very dangerous accident. He could he died right there on the ice. However, he has played since but I don't know where he is now. I think he is still playing but I'm not positive. He was a Sabre at the time. I don't know who skated into him though. I remember a couple of seasons before the Malarchuk incident Borje Salming of Toronto fell down in the crease and someone skated into his face. That took a lot of stiches to fix. ",rec.sport.hockey 1826," It was implied in the first technical posting by Dorothy Denning that the FBI would do the decryption *for* the law enforcement agencies. It wasn't clear to me from the post whether this would be done in realtime or not, or whether the FBI would just decrypt the session keys for the locals, or would do the whole message. One thing I'm a bit puzzled by: Why aren't they doing this with a public key scheme of some sort? You could generate two uniqe public/private pairsor for each chip. Then, escrow the private keys with the escrow agencies. Set the protocol up to encrypt the session key with both public keys. To decrypt a message, both escrow agencies (in the right order, for most PK schemes) have to decrypt with the escrowed private key. This way, there wouldn't be thecconcern that, once the police had asked fo a warrant/wiretap, they would have your key forver.",sci.crypt 1827,,None 1828,"A really sad op-ed appeared in my school's newpaper today. It claimed that full-auto weapons are illegal in the U.S. I understand that full-auto weapons made and registered before May 19, 1986 are still legal in 40 of the 50 states. Is Texas one of those states? Can anyone point me to a source for info on how many people have been killed by legal full-auto weapons in the U.S.? And finally, I think it would be great if anyone was keeping a digest of facts on the Waco incident. In particular, I would like a source for the FBI/BATF mentioning the supposed methamphetamine lab, and information on the beginning of the raid, specifically BATF lies. I am also interested in past BATF no-knock warrents which have lead to personal and property damage against innocent citizens. I intend to put together a reply to this op-ed very soon. The author of the piece states he wants to work for the BATF. gack! ",talk.politics.guns 1829," The Libertarians believe in getting the government off the backs of the people, so that the free market can solve problems. Libertarians believe in an end to the welfare state, an end to government subsidies of all sorts. The basic idea is that the government is way too big and way too expensive, and should be shrunk down to a reasonable size. They also believe in a complete end to foreign aid, including the stationing of American troops overseas. We can not and should not be policing the world. I agree that the people who come into this group and describe themselves as Libertarians seem to posses the charictaristics you describe, but heck, we're not all like this. I'm a libertarian, and I've got a great sense of humor! :) Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu",talk.politics.mideast 1830,"I don't know. I think Phil Plantier has the ugliest stance. He looks like he's sitting on the toilet.",rec.sport.baseball 1831,"CALL FOR VOTES This is the official 2nd Call For Votes for this newsgroup. NAME OF PROPOSED NEWSGROUP: ========================== soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya CHARTER: ======= A religious newsgroup, which would mainly be devoted to fostering an understanding and appraisal of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, its beliefs, ideology and philosophy. It will also discuss the distinction between Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and other branches of Islam. 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PURPOSE OF THE NEWSGROUP: ======================== The following are the main purposes this group shall achieve: i) To highlight the common beliefs of all major religions and philosophical traditions as they relate to Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. ii) To discuss the doctrines, origin and teachings the Ahmad- iyya Muslim Community, a dynamic world-wide movement. iii) To expound Islamic teachings and beliefs in the Holy Quran and Islamic traditions from the Ahmadiyya Islamic perspective. iv) To emphasize and discuss the similarities between Ahmadi Muslims and followers of other religions of the world and to explore how understanding and respect for each other's faith can be brought about to eliminate religious intol- erance and malice among people of all religious and phil- osophical traditions. v) To look into the origin and teachings of all religions in general and of Islam and Ahmadiyya Muslim Movement in par- ticular, and to use the commonality of origin to foster better understanding among Ahmadi Muslims and other people and to promote an acceptance of universality of fundamental rights to the freedom of conscience. vi) To point out current world problems and suggest solutions to these problems, as offered by different religions and systems of ethical philosophies. vii) To investigate the implications of science on religion with particular emphasis on the Ahmadi Muslim perspective, but with openness to dialogue with people of all religions and philosophical traditions with reasoned positions as to the relationship between religion and empirical science, logic, and scientific ethics. viii) To exchange important news and views about the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and of other religions. ix) To add diversity to the existing religious newsgroups pre- sent on Usenet in the interest of promoting a forum for decorous dialogue. x) To inquire why religious persecution is on the rise in the world and suggest solutions to remedy the ever deterior- ating situation in the world in general and in the Islamic world in particular. xi) To commemorate the contributions to humanity, society and world peace made by the founders and followers of all religions in general and by the International Ahmadiyya Muslim community in particular. TYPE: ==== The group will be MODERATED for orderly and free religious dialo- gue. The moderation will NOT prevent disagreement, dissent, or controversy based on a difference of beliefs or doctrine; rather, the moderators will seek mainly to discourage gratuitously deroga- tory, abusive, or squalid language, and the introduction of issues which are irrelevant based on the provisions of this charter. The moderators have been chosen through personal e-mail and through a general consensus among the proponents by discussion in news.groups. The following moderators have been proposed and agreed upon: Moderator: Nabeel A. Rana Co-Moderator: Dr. Tahir Ijaz A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT AHMADIYYA ISLAM: =============================================== The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, an international organi- sation, was found in 1889 in Qadian, India. 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Rana ",soc.religion.christian 1832," What you are trying to describe is that transition point where the front wheel actually reverses direction; turns backwards.",rec.motorcycles 1833," Not to mention that Lankford had been hurt two nights before running into the outfield wall. This being the reason he was available to pinch- anything. His ribs were the problem so he could run but not hit. Torre is no white rat but give him credit for what he is , a pretty darn good manager. with the exception of the Felix fiasco, but i'm not sure who's brainchild that was. -BIL",rec.sport.baseball 1834,"After hearing endless debate (READ: name-calling) over which os is better, dos and windows or OS/2 and finally having enought resourses to play with a couple of different operating systems, I have decided to put the two products to a head to head test, as so many fellow newsposters have suggested. I have, however, no desire whatsoever to use a version of os/2 which wont REALLY do what it says (i.e. run windows apps) OS/2 2.0-2.1 will not run windows apps in 386 enhansed mode, something that most larger windows apps require, but OS/2 2.2, which is supposed to be in beta test, is supposed to. I have heard that os/2 2.2 beta is available via ftp, and I was wondering if anyone knew where to obtain a copy. I would appreciate any information, as I would like, once and for all, to establish for myself which is the best os for my needs.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1835," I couldn't agree more. The Jays have a lot of power in their line-up. So far pitching has been the biggest problem. Maybe we can get Acker back? :-) One incident that sticks out in my mind was when Derek Bell ran back out on to the feild after the Jays had won the division and all the players were back in the clubhouse. Bell ran around the field with his arms in the air, waving a big towel over his head. He looked like a big jerk, especially when you consider he did not contribute much to the team over the whole season. The next day, Winfield and Carter somehow got the keys to Bell's Jeep and brought it out on to the feild before the game started. The stadium announcer said that there was going to be a draw later in the game for Bell's jeep. Bell really freaked out. I don't think Bell was to popular after that. I think that Jackson might be trying a little too hard right now. He's known for being a great outfielder, and he's not the only Blue Jay who has been booting balls and playing generally awful. andrew ",rec.sport.baseball 1836,"WARNING WARNING MAY CAUSE UNPLEASANTNESS! It's a ""make before break"" type of switch. If not required, it ought to be for high-low beams. There might be a wee problem with this. If you use both filaments at the same time, the bulb is tossing out a great deal more heat than normal. Possibly enough to shorten it's life span. My Honda CRX cage [a cage that really wanted to be a bike] had wimpy stock lights. So we used to run around with both beams on. Made a mucho big difference - until both low beam filaments died nearly simultaneously! This was two weeks after finding out how nice it was to use both beams. I replaced the lights with quartz-halogen lights and that ended the problem.",rec.motorcycles 1837," I'm curious to know if Christians ever read books based on critique on the religion, classical text such as ""Age of Reason"" by Paine, or ""The Myth Maker"" by Jacobi. Sometimes it is good to know your enemy, and if you want to do serious research you have to understand both sides, and not solely the one and only right one. Cheers, Kent ",talk.religion.misc 1838,"Here are the NHL's alltime leaders in goals and points at the end of the 1992-3 season. Again, much thanks to Joseph Achkar. Carl Notes: An active player is a player that has scored at least one point the past season. The points leaders follow the goal leaders. If you find any mistakes, please send me email. ------------------------------------------------------------------- All time NHL leading goal scorers (* denotes active player): 1. Gordie Howe Det-Hfd 801 2. *Wayne Gretzky Edm-LA 765 3. Marcel Dionne Det-LA-NYR 731 4. Phil Esposito Chi-Bos-NYR 717 5. Bobby Hull Chi-Wpg-Hfd 610 6. *Mike Gartner Wsh-Min-NYR 583 7. Mike Bossy NYI 573 8. Guy Lafleur Mtl-NYR-Que 560 9. Johnny Bucyk Det-Bos 556 10. Maurice Richard Mtl 544 11. Stan Mikita Chi 541 12. Frank Mahovlich Tor-Det-Mtl 533 13. *Michel Goulet Que-Chi 532 14. *Jari Kurri Edm-LA 524 15. Bryan Trottier NYI-Pit 520 16. Gilbert Perreault Buf 512 17. Jean Beliveau Mtl 507 18. Lanny McDonald Tor-Col-Cgy 500 19. Jean Ratelle NYR-Bos 491 20. Norm Ullman Det-Tor 490 21. *Dino Ciccarelli Min-Wsh-Det 485 22. Darryl Sittler Tor-Phi-Det 484 23. *Mario Lemieux Pit 477 24. *Glenn Anderson Edm-Tor 459 25. Alex Delvecchio Det 456 26. *Mark Messier Edm-NYR 452 27. *Dale Hawerchuk Wpg-Buf 449 28. Rick Middleton NYR-Bos 448 29. *Steve Yzerman Det 445 30. *Peter Stastny Que-NJ 444 31. Rick Vaive Van-Tor-Chi-Buf 441 32. *Joe Mullen StL-Cgy-Pit 433 33. Yvan Cournoyer Mtl 428 34. *Dave Taylor LA 427 35. Steve Shutt Mtl-LA 424 36. *Denis Savard Chi-Mtl 423 37. Bill Barber Phi 420 38. *Brian Propp Phi-Bos-Min 413 39. Gary Unger Tor-Det-StL-Atl-LA-Edm 413 40. Rod Gilbert NYR 406 41. *Steve Larmer Chi 406 42. *John Ogrodnick Det-Que-NYR 402 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Other active players: *Bernie Nicholls LA-NYR-Edm-NJ 397 *Pat LaFontaine NYI-Buf 386 *Brian Bellows Min-Mtl 382 *Dave Andreychuk Buf-Tor 373 *Tim Kerr Phi-NYR-Hfd 370 *Bobby Smith Min-Mtl 357 *Brett Hull Cgy-StL 356 *Luc Robitaille LA 353 *Mike Foligno Det-Buf-Tor 351 *Dave Christian Wpg-Wsh-Bos-StL-Chi 340 *Paul Coffey Edm-Pit-LA-Det 330 *Brent Sutter NYI-Chi 325 *Pat Verbeek NJ-Hfd 318 *Ron Francis Hfd-Pit 311 *Cam Neely Van-Bos 292 *Ray Bourque Bos 291 *Bob Carpenter Wsh-NYR-LA-Bos-Tor 285 *Brent Ashton Van-Col-NJ-Min-Que-Det-Wpg-Bos-Cgy 284 *Doug Gilmour Stl-Cgy-Tor 277 *Rick Tocchet Phi-Pit 277 *Kevin Dineen Hfd-Phi 275 *Tomas Sandstrom NYR-LA 273 *Dale Hunter Que-Wsh 269 *Ryan Walter Wsh-Mtl-Van 264 *Brian Mullen Wpg-NYR-SJ-NYI 260 *Ed Olczyk Chi-Tor-Wpg-NYR 260 *Kirk Muller NJ-Mtl 258 *Joe Nieuwendyk Cgy 257 *Jimmy Carson LA-Edm-Det 254 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All time NHL scoring leaders (* denotes active player): 1. *Wayne Gretzky Edm-LA 765 1563 2328 2. Gordie Howe Det-Hfd 801 1049 1850 3. Marcel Dionne Det-LA-NYR 731 1040 1771 4. Phil Esposito Chi-Bos-NYR 717 873 1590 5. Stan Mikita Chi 541 926 1467 6. Bryan Trottier NYI-Pit 520 890 1410 7. Johnny Bucyk Det-Bos 556 813 1369 8. Guy Lafleur Mtl-NYR-Que 560 793 1353 9. Gilbert Perreault Buf 512 814 1326 10. Alex Delvecchio Det 456 825 1281 11. Jean Ratelle NYR-Bos 491 776 1267 12. *Mark Messier Edm-NYR 452 780 1232 13. Norm Ullman Det-Tor 490 739 1229 14. *Peter Stastny Que-NJ 444 777 1221 15. Jean Beliveau Mtl 507 712 1219 16. *Dale Hawerchuk Wpg-Buf 449 763 1212 17. Bobby Clarke Phi 358 852 1210 18. *Paul Coffey Edm-Pit-LA-Det 330 871 1201 19. *Denis Savard Chi-Mtl 423 769 1192 20. *Jari Kurri Edm-LA 524 666 1190 21. *Mario Lemieux Pit 477 697 1174 22. Bobby Hull Chi-Wpg-Hfd 610 560 1170 23. Bernie Federko StL 369 761 1130 24. Mike Bossy NYI 573 553 1126 25. *Michel Goulet Que-Chi 532 590 1122 26. Darryl Sittler Tor-Phi-Det 484 637 1121 27. *Mike Gartner Wsh-Min-NYR 583 524 1107 28. Frank Mahovlich Tor-Det-Mtl 533 570 1103 29. *Ray Bourque Bos 291 806 1099 30. *Dave Taylor LA 427 635 1062 31. Denis Potvin NYI 310 742 1052 32. Henri Richard Mtl 358 688 1046 33. *Steve Yzerman Det 445 595 1040 34. *Bobby Smith Min-Mtl 357 679 1036 35. Rod Gilbert NYR 406 615 1021 36. *Glenn Anderson Edm-Tor 459 559 1018 37. Lanny McDonald Tor-Col-Cgy 500 506 1006 38. Rick Middleton NYR-Bos 448 540 988 39. Dave Keon Tor-Hfd 396 590 986 40. *Ron Francis Hfd-Pit 311 675 986 41. *Bernie Nicholls LA-NYR-Edm-NJ 397 580 977 42. *Brian Propp Phi-Bos-Min 413 561 974 43. Andy Bathgate NYR-Tor-Det-Pit 349 624 973 44. Maurice Richard Mtl 544 421 965 45. Larry Robinson Mtl-LA 208 750 958 46. *Dino Ciccarelli Min-Wsh-Det 485 472 957 47. *Steve Larmer Chi 406 517 923 48. *Joe Mullen StL-Cgy-Pit 433 486 919 49. Bobby Orr Bos-Chi 270 645 915 50. Brad Park NYR-Bos-Det 213 683 896 51. Butch Goring LA-NYI-Bos 375 513 888 52. Bill Barber Phi 420 463 883 53. Dennis Maruk Cal-Cle-Wsh-Min 356 521 877 54. Ivan Boldirev Bos-Cal-Chi-Atl-Van-Det 361 505 866 55. Yvan Cournoyer Mtl 428 435 863 56. Dean Prentice NYR-Bos-Det-Pit-Min 391 469 860 57. Ted Lindsay Det-Chi 379 472 851 58. Tom Lysiak Atl-Chi 292 551 843 59. *Dale Hunter Que-Wsh 269 570 839 60. John Tonelli NYI-Cgy-LA-Chi-Que 325 511 836 61. Jacques Lemaire Mtl 366 469 835 62. *Larry Murphy LA-Wsh-Min-Pit 203 631 834 63. *John Ogrodnick Det-Que-NYR 402 425 827 64. *Doug Wilson Chi-SJ 237 590 827 65. *Doug Gilmour Stl-Cgy-Tor 277 548 825 66. Red Kelly Det-Tor 281 542 823 67. Pierre Larouche Pit-Mtl-Hfd-NYR 395 427 822 68. Bernie Geoffrion Mtl-NYR 393 429 822 69. Steve Shutt Mtl-LA 424 393 817 70. *Phil Housley Buf-Wpg 242 575 817 71. Wilf Paiment KC-Col-Tor-Que-NYR-Buf-Pit 356 458 814 72. Peter McNab Buf-Bos-Van-NJ 363 450 813 73. *Brian Bellows Min-Mtl 382 428 810 74. *Dave Andreychuk Buf-Tor 373 436 809 75. Pit Martin Det-Bos-Chi-Van 324 485 809 76. *Pat LaFontaine NYI-Buf 386 421 807 77. Ken Linesman Phi-Edm-Bos 256 551 807 78. Gary Unger Tor-Det-StL-Atl-LA-Edm 413 391 804 79. Ken Hodge,Sr Chi-Bos-NYR 328 472 800 80. *Neal Broten Min 249 547 796 81. Wayne Cashman Bos 277 516 793 82. Rick Vaive Van-Tor-Chi-Buf 441 347 788 83. Borje Salming Tor-Det 150 637 787 84. Jean Pronovost Pit-Atl-Wsh 391 383 774 85. Peter Mahovlich Det-Mtl-Pit 288 485 773 86. *Dave Christian Wpg-Wsh-Bos-StL-Chi 340 430 770 87. Rick Kehoe Tor-Pit 371 396 767 88. Rick MacLeish Phi-Hfd-Pit-Det 349 410 759 89. *Thomas Steen Wpg 240 511 751 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other active players: *Al MacInnis Cgy 185 555 740 *Luc Robitaille LA 353 371 724 *Mike Foligno Det-Buf-Tor 351 367 718 *Brent Sutter NYI-Chi 325 389 714 *Mark Howe Hfd-Phi-Det 192 520 712 *Kirk Muller NJ-Mtl 258 433 691 *Tim Kerr Phi-NYR-Hfd 370 304 674 *Adam Oates Det-StL-Bos 167 490 657 *Randy Carlyle Tor-Pit-Wpg 148 499 647 *Ryan Walter Wsh-Mtl-Van 264 382 646 *Pat Verbeek NJ-Hfd 318 313 631 *Brent Ashton Van-Col-NJ-Min-Que-Det-Wpg-Bos-Cgy 284 345 629 *Bob Carpenter Wsh-NYR-LA-Bos-Tor 285 337 622 *Brian Mullen Wpg-NYR-SJ-NYI 260 362 622 *Ed Olczyk Chi-Tor-Wpg-NYR 260 358 618 *Kelly Kisio Det-NYR-SJ 215 402 617 *Brett Hull Cgy-StL 356 247 603 *Rick Tocchet Phi-Pit 277 324 601 *Dan Quinn Cgy-Pit-Van-StL-Phi-Min 232 367 599 *Scott Stevens Wsh-StL-NJ 132 462 594 *Tomas Sandstrom NYR-LA 273 320 593 *Tom Fergus Bos-Tor-Van 235 346 581 *Dave Babych Wpg-Hfd-Van 120 460 580 *Mike Ridley NYR-Wsh 230 348 578 *Laurie Boschman Tor-Edm-Wpg-NJ-Ott 225 350 575 *Keith Acton Mtl-Min-Edm-Phi 224 350 574 *Murray Craven Det-Phi-Hfd 205 365 570 *Kevin Dineen Hfd-Phi 275 290 565 *Rob Ramage Col-StL-Cgy-Tor-Min-TB 139 423 562 *Mike Krushelnyski Bos-Edm-LA-Tor 234 319 553 *Gary Suter Cgy 124 428 552 *Pierre Turgeon Buf-NYI 218 324 542 *Troy Murray Chi-Wpg 217 324 541 *Cam Neely Van-Bos 292 241 533 *Geoff Courtnall Bos-Edm-Wsh-StL-Van 246 274 520 *Vincent Damphousse Tor-Edm-Mtl 195 320 515 *Jimmy Carson LA-Edm-Det 254 259 513 *Peter Zezel Phi-StL-Wsh-Tor 182 328 510 *Guy Carbonneau Mtl 207 302 509 *Mark Osborne Det-NYR-Tor-Wpg 202 301 503 *Chris Chelios Mtl-Chi 108 394 502 *Dave Poulin Phi-Bos 195 301 496 *Ray Ferraro Hfd-NYI 230 263 493 *Russ Courtnall Tor-Mtl-Min 208 284 492 *Joe Nieuwendyk Cgy 257 234 491 *John MacLean NJ 241 248 489",rec.sport.hockey 1839," Of course not. I would think that would be great _fun_, not having ever felt the joy and peace the Christians speak of with a longing gaze. This is not what I got when I believed - I just tried to hide my fear of getting punished for something I never was sure of. The Bible is hopelessly confusing for someone who wants to know for sure. God did not answer. In the end, I found I had been following a mass delusion, a lie. I can't believe in a being who refuses to give a slightest hint of her existence. I suggest they should honestly reconsider the reasons why they believe and analyse their position. In fact, it is amusing to note in this context that many fundamentalist publications tell us exactly the opposite - one should not examine one's belief critically. I'll tell you something I left out of my 'testimony' I posted to this group two months ago. A day after I finally found out my faith is over, I decided to try just one more time. The same cycle of emotional responses fired once again, but this time the delusion lasted only a couple of hours. I told my friend in a phone that it really works, thank god, just to think about it again when I hung up. I had to admit that I had lied, and fallen prey to the same illusion. I used to believe what I read in books when I was younger, or what other people told me, but I grew more and more skeptical the more I read. I learned what it means to use _reason_. As a student of chemistry, I had to perform a qualitative analysis of a mixture of two organic compounds in the lab. I _hated_ experiments like this - they are old-fashioned and increase the student's workload considerably. Besides, I had to do it twice, since I failed in my first attempt. However, I think I'll never forget the lesson: No matter how strongly you believe the structure of the unknown is X, it may still be Y. It is _very_ tempting to jump into conclusions, take a leap of faith, assure oneself, ignore the data which is inconsistent. But it can still be wrong. I found out that I was, after all, using exactly the same mechanism to believe in god - mental self-assurance, suspension of fear, filtering of information. In other words, it was only me, no god playing any part. Oh? And I had better believe this? Dan, many UFO stories are much better documented than the resurrection of Jesus. The resurrection is documented quite haphazardly in the Bible - it seems the authors did not pay too much attention to which wild rumour to leave out. Besides, the ends of the gospels probably contain later additions and insertions; for instance, the end of Mark (16:9-20) is missing from many early texts, says my Bible. Jesus may have lived and died, but he was probably misunderstood. This is easy. I believe that the world exists independent of my mind, and that logic and reason can be used to interpret and analyse what I observe. Nothing else need to be taken on faith, I will go by the evidence. It makes no difference whether I believe George Washington existed or not. I assume that he did, considering the vast amount of evidence presented. A liar, how do you know what my attitude was? Try reading your Bible again. I was willing to die for my faith. Those who do are usually remembered as heroes, at least among those who believe. Dan, do you think I'm lying when I say I believed firmly for 15 years? It seems it is very difficult to admit that someone who has really believed does not do so anymore. But I can't go on lying to myself. Blind trust is dangerous, and I was just another blind led by the blind. But if god really wants me, she'll know what to do. I'm willing. I just don't know whether she exists - looking at the available evidence, it looks like she doesn't. Petri",alt.atheism 1840," ",None 1841,"Greetings. I've recently decided to chuck the linear regulators and learn the ""black magic"" art of switching power supplies... (before anyone flames me, I KNOW, both have their place :-) Anyways, I've built the basic up & down converters with pretty good results (>80% efficiency) but I'm running into problems when I try to design & build anything that puts out serious amps... I know it can be done (I have some 5V@200A guts on my bench) but something puzzles me: I'm using a simple choke as the storage element (basicly a toroid with a single winding) but ALL commercial models use transformers with MANY windings. I traced a few and they seem to use some of the winding for the usual error/feedback but some of the others seem to loose me... What are they for? Better than that, anyone have a full schematic for one of these that I could get a copy of? I'd love to see how they manage to squeeze out so much from such low volume :-) My other problems (in getting high amps & good efficiency) are 1) Lack of sources of ideal components (calculated) and 2) Limited knowledge of the whole topic... I'm doing this on my own (not school) mind you (in fact, I have yet to take any course that covers transistors ;-) So, is the answer to #1 the accumulation of dead commercial models and truning into a scavanger (not that it's not what I'm doing now...) and #2 getting & understanding schematics and a bit more of the [mind-boggling] theory? Take care. P.S. My goal is 12V @ ~25A in (car battery) -> 250VAC out and (on the other end) 250V -> +5VDC @ 5A, -5V @ 1A, +12VDC @8A and -12VDC @1A... the distance between the two will be more than 100 feet (of 14-16 gauge) but less than 300 feet. Would like to have a working model in a year or so... :-) (Do I have a chance to make it?)",sci.electronics 1842," So when they took the time to *copy* *the* *text* correctly, that includes ""obvious corruptions?"" So when they took the time to *copy* *the* *text* correctly, that does not exclude ""variant readings from the masoretic text"" which are ""of little theological import"" Hey, you're the expert.",alt.atheism 1843," I keep hearing people say this. It assumes that we, at some point, had a choice at the ballot box: ""Vote yes or no I want the FBI and BATF to become latter-day Gestapos"". That just isn't so. The process is far more complex. We do not have direct control over the bureaucracy. When we evaluate our representatives we don't often know what their contribution is to the wayward direction of the federal law enforcement bureacracy. To assert that we got what we wanted is absurd. Oh, good I feel much better now. ;-) ",talk.politics.guns 1844," Why sell them at a low price to poor people immediately? The NRA is an educational organization too, after all, and it would be a shame to pay all that money for new guns when these cheap guns would allow a lot of money thus saved to be used in opening more classes. Mention that the NRA trains our boys in blue and you've got the media between a rock and a hard place. ""City pays $50 per gun to reduce crime."" or ""NRA to pay $50 per gun to provide training guns for police and citizens. Classes expanded with money saved.""",talk.politics.guns 1845,"Count me in for $1000.00. Allan Lockridge My Opinions are my own and are not for sale.",talk.politics.guns 1846,"I have the following Macintosh software for sale. Email me if interested, or for complete descriptions. All prices are negotiable, but first offer at asking price gets it. Prices include First Class, 2-day shipping!!! (Outside U.S. extra) OIDS $20 Expert Color Paint $20 RoboSport $25 Harpoon $25 Stratego $30 (Accolade version, authorized by Milton Bradley) One-on-One (Dr. J/Bird) $15 (Original version, 68000 machines only) MacFoxes $25 (Adult game) Strip Poker & Blackjack $25 (Adult game) -Justin (jslauson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""If builders built buildings like I write programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.""",misc.forsale 1847," Yup. Most JPEG viewers seem to require specific video drivers since they support only specific video cards. Some have the standard IBM BIOS video support for the VGA 320x200 256 colour mode, but they leave out the other cards such as the Hercules monochrome card (which by the way can give very good picture quality if your dithering works right). I can't remember the name of a JPEG viewer since I usually convert JPEG's to GIF's before viewing them. But some require VESA driver for the video cards. You don't need any special hardware to view JPEG's except perhaps for a VGA card and maybe a 286+ processor. Most people these days program for 286+ computers and neglect the rest of the 86 processors (8086, 8088). I have a 8088 clone (a NEC V20 processor) and a Hercules card, I have had to write some programs so that they will view GIF's and animations for the VGA and other colour graphics boards on my monochrome Hercules card. I use Floyd-Steinberg dithers and have found that if one does something neat with the colour palette the resulting dithered image gives much greater detail than it normally would when viewed on other monochrome systems. CompuShow 8.50 has FS dithering but it does the standard thing with the image palette before dithering, my way gives a brighter more detailed image. Anyway, enough of my rambling in the wrong direction. The final point is, as far as I know, you don't need extra hardware to view JPEG's other than the VGA (and perhaps a 286 or better) Have a day!",comp.graphics 1848," [text deleted] [text deleted] Thank you very much Paul. I have always been impressed by the very human-ness of Mary. That God chose a woman, like me, to bring into this world the incarnation of Himself proves to me that this God is MY God. He reaches down from His perfection to touch me. Ah, the wonder of it all :-) ",soc.religion.christian 1849,"I recently came across this article which I found interesting. I have posted it to hear what other people feel about the issue. I realise it is rather long (12 pages in Wordperfect) by may well be worth the read. Except for the first page (which I typed) the rest was scanned inusing Omnipage. Some of the f's have come out as t's and visa-versa. I have tried to correct as much as possible. ABOUT THE AUTHOR Peter Hammond is the founder of Frontline Fellowship, a missionary organisation witnessing to the communist countries in Southern Africa. He has also made several visits to many East European countries. FRONTLINE FELLOWSHIP NEWS ISSN 1018-144X PRAYING FOR JUSTICE (by Peter Hammond) To those involved in ministering to Christians suffering persecution the imprecatory Psalms are a tremendous source of comfort. And those of us who are fighting for the right to life of the preborn, or battling social evils such as pornography or crime, are beginning to appreciate what an important weapon God has entrusted to us in the imprecatory Psalms. THE IMPRECATORY PSALMS Early in my Christian walk I encountered the prayers for judgement in the Psalms and was quite at loss to know how to respond to them. Prayers such as: ""Break the arm of the wicked and evil men; call him to account for his wickedness ..."" Psalm 10:15 did not seem consistent with the gospel of love which I had accepted. Yet Psalm 10:15 was clearly motivated by love for God (""The Lord is King for ever and ever; the nation will perish from His land"" 10:16, and ""Why does the wicked man revile God? 10:13), and by love for the innocent who suffer (""You hear, O Lord, the desire of the afflicted; You encourage them, and You listen to their cry, defending the fatherless and oppressed, in order that man, who is of the earth, may terrify no more."" 10:17-18) Nevertheless, I grew increasingly uncomfortable reading such graphic prayers for God to judge the wicked as: ""Pour out your wrath on them; let Your fierce anger overtake them"" 64:24; ""O Lord, the God avenges, O God who avenges, shine forth. Rise up, O Judge of the earth, pay back to the proud what they deserve."" 95:1-2; ""Break the teeth in their mouths, O God; ...let them vanish like water .. let their arrows be blunted ... The righteous will be glad when they are avenged, when they bathe their feet in the blood of the wicked. Then men will way, ""Surely the righteous still are rewarded; surely there is a God who judges the earth.'"" 58:6-11 Certainly I wanted God to be honoured and yes I was deeply destressed by the prevalence of evil - but could I actually pray for God to ""pour out His wrath"" on the wicked? The scripture make it clear that these prayers are not to be prayed for own selfish motives, nor against our personal enemies. Rather they are to be prayed in Christ, for His glory and against His enemies. The psalmist describes the targets of these imprecation as: those who devise injustice in their heart and whose hands mete out violence (58:2) those who ""boast of evil"" and ""are a disgrace in the eyes of God. Your tongue plots destruction, it is like a sharpened razor, and you who practise deceit. You love evil rather than good, falsehood rather than speaking the truth."" 52:1-3; ""They crush your people ... They slay the widow and the alien; they murder the fatherless."" 94:5- 6; ""With cunning they conspire against Your people; they plot against those You cherish."" 83:3; ""You hate all who do wrong. You destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and deceitful men the Lord abhors."" 5:5-6. To those unrepentant enemies of God the psalmist declares: ""Surely God will bring you down to everlasting ruin"" 52:5; ""Surely God will crush the heads of His enemies ... of those who go on in their sins"" 68:21. And the purpose of these prayers for justice is declared: ""Then it will be known to the ends of the earth that God rules ..."" 59:13; ""to proclaim the powers of God"" 68:34; ""All kings will bow down to Him and all nations will serve Him "" 72:11; ""Who knows the power of Your anger? For Your wrath is as great as the fear that is due You. "" 90:11 Yet despite the fact that 90 of the 150 Psalms include imprecations (prayers invoking God's righteous judgement upon the wicked) such prayers are rare in the average Western church. However, amongst the persecuted churches these prayers are much more common. PRAYING AGAINST THE PERSECUTORS Amidst the burnt out churches and devastation of Marxist Angola I found the survivors of communist persecution including the crippled and maimed, and widows and orphans praying for God to strike down the wicked and remove the persecutors of the Church. I was shocked - yet it was Biblical (Even the martyrs in heaven pray ""How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?"" Revelation 6:10). The initiator of the communist persecution in Angola was Agestino Neto. Described as a ""drunken, psychotic, marxist poet"", Neto had been installed by Cuban troops as the first dictator of Angola. He boasted that: ""Within 20 years there won't be a Bible or a church left in Angola. I will have eradicated Christianity."" Yet despite the vicious wave of church burning and massacres it is not Christianity that was eradicated in Angola but Agestino Neto. Neto died in mysterious circumstances on an operating table in Moscow. In Romania I learnt of a series of remarkable incidents recorded of God judging the persecutors of the Church in answer to prayer: * A communist official ordered a certain pastor to be arrested. the next day the official died of a heart attack. * Another communist party official ordered that all the Bibles in his district were to be collected and pulped, to be turned into toilet paper. This blasphemous project was in fact carried out. But the next day when the official was medically examined, he was informed that he had terminal cancer. He died shortly afterwards. * On another occasion, a communist official who had ordered a Baptist church to be demolished by bulldozers died in a car crash the very next day. * When an order was given to dismantle a place of worship on the mountainside in a forest, the workmen flatly refused to carry out the order. At gunpoint a group of conscripted gypsies also refused to touch the church. In desperation, the communist police forced prisoners at bayonet-point to dismantle the structure. Yet the officer in charge pleaded with the local Christians to pray for him, that God would not judge him. He emphasised that he had nothing against Christians and was only obeying strict orders. The building was in fact reconstructed later, and again used for worship. ""They were all seized with Sear and the Name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honour... in this way the Word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power. "" Acts 19:17,20 Nicolae Ceaucescu the dictator who ordered much of the persecution in Romania was overthrown by his own army and executed on Christmas day, 1989, to joyous shouts of ""the antiChrist is dead"" in the streets. Many testified that this was in answer to the fervent prayers of the long suffering people of Romania. Another persecutor of the Church who challenged God was Samora Machel, the first dictator of Marxist Mozambique. Samora Machel was a cannibal who ate human flesh in witchcraft ceremonies in the 1960's. He pledged his soul to Satan and vowed that he would destroy the Church and turn Mozambique into the first truly Marxist-Leninist state in Africa. Thousands of churches in Mozambique were closed confiscated, ""nationalised"" chained and padlocked, burnt down or boarded up. Missionaries were expelled, some being imprisoned first. Evangelism was forbidden. Bibles were ceremonially burnt and tens of thousands of Christians, including many pastors and elders, were shipped off to concentration camps - most were never seen again. A month before his sudden death Samora Machel cursed God publicly and challenged Him to prove His existence by striking him (Machel) dead. On 19 October 1986, while several churches were specifically praying for God to stop the persecution in Mozambique, Machel's Soviet Tupelov aircraft crashed in a violent thunderstorm. The plane crashed 200 metres within South Africa's boundary with Mozambique. Amidst the wreckage the marxist plans for overthrowing the government of Malawi were discovered and published. Not only had God judged a blasphemer and a persecutor, but He had also saved a country from persecution. In the months leading up to the first multi-party elections in Zambia many churches fasted and prayed tor God to remove the 27 year socialist dictatorship of Kenneth Kaunda. This was done on 31st October 1991 when Fredrick Chiluba (a man converted to Christ whilst imprisoned for opposing Kaunda) was elected president of Zambia and covenanted to make Zambia a Christian country. It is recorded in history that the wicked Mary, Queen of Scots, declared trembling and in tears: ""I am more afraid of John Knox's prayers than of an army of ten thousand"". On 3 April 1993 the Secretary General of the South African Communist Party Chris Hani was shot dead. From the unprecedented international wave of condolences and adulation reported one could be forgiven for assuming that this man was a saint and a martyr. Certainly it was not the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus which dominated the thoughts and headlines of South Africa this Easter, but the assassination of Chris Hani. The stunning hypocrisy of the situation is that 20 135 people were murdered in South Africa in 1992, yet more collective concern and anguish were reported over the death of the head of the SA Communist Party than for all the thousands of other victims. Indeed the SA government, the international community and the mass media have apparently had greater sorrow reported over this one death than for all the 50 000 South Africans murdered since 2nd February 1990 when the ANC, SACP and PAC were unbanned! Yet as a member of the ANC Revolutionary Council since 1973, Deputy Commander of Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK) the ANC's ""military wing"" - from 1982, and Chief of Staff of MK from 1987, Chris Hani had approved and ordered bombings and assassinations of many unarmed civilians. As Jesus warned: ""all who live by the sword will die by the sword "" Matt 26:52. After personally confronting Hani about his terrorist activities at a press conference in Washington DC (where he publicly declared his support for Fidel Castro, Col. Gaddafi, Yasser Arafat and Saddam Hussein and defended the placing of car bombs and limpet mines in public places during ""the struggle"") I told him that I was a Christian and, while I didn't hate him, I did hate communism and I was praying for him - that God would either bring him to repentance and salvation in Christ, or that God would remove him. He responded by swearing and declaring that he was an atheist. Several other people also prayed that God would either bring Hani to repentance or remove him. Similarly several churches in America have begun to pray the imprecatory Psalms against unrepentant abortionists. In one town 8 abortionists were struck down, with heart attacks, strokes, car accidents and cancer, within months of these public prayers for God to stop these killers of preborn babies. Some praised God for His righteous acts of judgement and quoted: ""When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous and terror to evildoers "" Proverbs 21:15. Others were shocked that any Christian could express satisfaction at the misfortune of any - even of the blatantly wicked. Yet the Apostles prayed imprecatory prayers (Acts 13:8-12; Galatians 1:8-9; 2 Tim 4:14-15) and so did our Lord (Matt 11:20-24). What then should our attitude towards the imprecatory Psalms be? Should we be praying the Psalms? To tackle these thorny issues I would like to present a short summary of an excellent book, ""War Psalms of the Prince of Peace - Lessons From The Imprecatory Psalms"" by James E Adams, (published by the Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company): Our Lord Jesus Christ & His apostles used the Psalms constantly in teaching men to know God. The New Testament (NT) quotes the Old Testament (OT) over 283 times. 41% of all OT quotes in the NT are from the Psalms. Christ Himself alluded to the Psalms over 50 times. The Psalms are the Prayer Book of the Bible. 1. Are the imprecatory Psalms the oracles of God? Some Christian commentators & theologians reject these Psalms as ""devilish"", ""diabolical "", ""unsuited to the church"", and ""Not God 's pronouncements of His wrath on the wicked; but the prayers of a man for vengeance on his enemies, just the opposite of Jesus' teaching that we should love our enemies. "" Yet 2 Tim 3:16-17 declares: ""All Scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. "" (see also 2 Peter 3:15-16). The fact that something in the Word of God is beyond our comprehension is not grounds to denying or even questioning its inspiration. To make ourselves the judge of what is good or evil is to impudently take the place of God. Do we imagine ourselves to be holier than God? Wrong ideas of God have led many to become ""evangelic plastic surgeons who have made it their job to ""clean up"" God's Word according to their own ideas of what is proper. They have forgotten that it is God alone who must determine what Christianity is and what is suitable for His Church. The essence of what many have done is to question the authority of God's Word (like Eve's original sin of listening to Satan's question ""Yes, hath God said... ?""). The Psalms are part of God's revelation of Himself and His attributes, and they are reaffirmed by the NT as the authoritative Word of God. Those imprecatory Psalms which these evangelical plastic surgeons reject as ""unsuited"" and ""unworthy"" for the Church are the very Psalms Christ used to testify about Himself (eg: Mark 12:36; Matt 22:43-44) and which the Apostles used as authoritative Scripture (eg: Acts 1:16-20; Acts 4:25; Heb 4:7). See also: 2 Samuel 23:1-2. CH Spurgeon said concerning the imprecatory Psalms, (especially Ps 109): ""Truly this is one of the hard places of Scripture, a passage which the soul trembles to read, yet it is not ours to sit in judgement upon it, but to bow our ear to what the Lord would speak to us therein. "" The rejection of any part of God's Word is a rejection of the giver of that Word, God Himself. 2. Who is praying these Psalms? Christ quoted the Psalms not merely as prophesy; He actually spoke the Psalms as His own words. The Psalms occupied an enormous place in the life of our Lord. He used it as His prayer book and song book - from the Synagogue to the festivals and at the Last Supper. On the cross Christ quoted from the Psalms - not as some ancient authority that He adapted for His own use, but as His very own words - the words of the Lord's Anointed - which as David's Son He truly was. ""Father, into your hands I commit my Spirit"" Ps 31:5 ""My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"" Ps 22:1 In His ministry Christ foretells what He will say as the Judge on the day of judgement, and He quotes the Psalms in doing so! Matt 7:23 ""Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers'. "" Ps 6:8 In Heb 10:5 the apostle attributes Ps 40:6-8 directly to Christ although nowhere in the Gospels is Christ recorded as having said these words. Similarly Hebrews 2 : 12 attributes Ps 22:22 directly to Christ despite there being no record of His having spoken these words while on earth. Clearly the apostles believed Christ is speaking in the Psalms. Christ came to establish His kingdom and to extend His mercy in all the earth. But let us never forget that Jesus will come again to execute Judgement on the wicked. David as the anointed king of the chosen people of God was a prototype of Jesus Christ. Acts 2:30: ""being therefore a prophet, ... he foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of Christ. "" David was a witness to Christ in his office, in his lite, and in his words. The same words which David spoke, the future Messiah spoke through him. The prayers of David were prayed also by Christ. Or better Christ Himself prayed these Psalms through His forerunner David. The imprecatory Psalms are expressions of the infinite justice of God, of His indignation against wrong doing, and His compassion for the wronged. 3. But what about the Psalms of repentance? Christ is also the Lamb of God, the substitutionary sacrifice for our sins. Christ in the day of His crucifixion was charged with the sin of His people. He appropriated to Himself those debts for which He had made Himself responsible. Our Lord was the substitution for the sinner. He took the sinners place (Isaiah 53). ""God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. "" 2 Cor 5:21 In history the Psalms, especially the imprecatory Psalms, have been understood to have been the prayers of Christ by: St Augustine, Jerome, Ambrose, Tertullian, Luther and many others. All the Psalms are the voice of Christ. Christ is praying the imprecatory Psalms! All the Psalms are messianic. It is the Lord Jesus Christ who is praying these prayers of vengeance. It is only right for the righteous King of Peace to ask God to destroy His enemies. These prayers signal an alarm to all who are still enemies of King Jesus. His prayers will be answered! God's Word is revealed upon all who oppose Christ. Anyone who rejects God's way of forgiveness in the cross of Christ will bear the dreadful curses of God. He who prays Psalm 69:23-28 will one day make this prayer a reality when He declares to those on His left: ""Depart from me you who are cursed into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. "" Matt 25:41 All the enemies of the Lord need to hear these Psalms. *God's Kingdom is at War.* The powers of evil will tall and God alone will reign forever! ""With justice He judges and makes war...out of His mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron sceptre; He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty...King of Kings and Lord of Lords. "" Rev 19 : 15 4. Are Jesus' prayers contradictory? What about Jesus' command to love our enemies and to bless those who curse us (Matt 5:44)? Christ is of course the loving and merciful Saviour who forgives sin; but He is also the awesome Judge who is coming in Judgement on those who disobey His Gospel. ""God is just. He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled...This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful angels. He will punish those who do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of His power on the day He comes to be glorified in His holy people and to be marvelled at among au those who have believed. "" 2 Thess 1:6-10 Jesus has power on earth to forgive sins, and He has power on earth to execute judgement upon His enemies. In the Psalms we see both the vengeance and the love ot God. Even in the N.T. & in the Gospels we see imprecations. ""Woe to you,...hypocrites...blind guides...blind fools...full of greed and self indulgence...whitewashed tombs...you snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to Hell ? "" Matt 23 In Matt 26:23-24 Christ quotes from Ps 69 and 109 to refer to His betrayal by Judas. We also need to acknowledge that Christ's prayers of blessing are not for all. In John 17:6-9 it is clear that Christ is only praying to the elect of God - those who have: ""obeyed your Word""... ""accepted"" God's Word ... and have ""believed "". (see Luke 10:8-16 - Those who reject the message of God's kingdom will be judged.) 5. May we pray the imprecatory Psalms? Martin Luther pointed out that when one prays: ""Hallowed be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done "" then ""he must put all the opposition to this in one pile and say: 'Curses, maledictions and disgrace upon every other name and every other kingdom. May they be ruined and torn apart and may all their schemes and wisdom and plans run aground' . "" To pray tor the extension of God's kingdom is to solicit the destruction of all other kingdoms, eg: Dan 2:44: ""The God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed ... it will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. "" * Advance and victory for the Church means defeat and retreat for the kingdom of darkness. * There is a life & death struggle between two kingdoms. The Church cannot exclude hatred tor satan's kingdom from its love for God's kingdom. God's kingdom cannot come without satan's kingdom being destroyed. God's will cannot be done on earth without the destruction of evil. The glory of God demands the destruction of evil. Instead of being influenced by a sickly sentimentalism which insists upon the assumed, but really non-existent, rights of man - we should focus instead upon the rights of God. Note Psalm 83 where the Psalmist prays against those who ""plot together"" against God and His people: ""Cover their faces with shame so that men will seek your Name O Lord... Do to them as You did to Midian, as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon, who perished at Endor and became like refuse on the ground. "" The story of Sisera in the book of Judges (Chapter 4 and 5) provides a vivid example of God's judgement on the wicked. Sisera ""cruelly oppressed the Israelites for twenty years"" and they ""cried to the Lord for help"" Judges 4:3. In response to those prayers: ""The Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and army by the sword, and Sisera abandoned his chariot and fled on foot... All the troops of Sisera fell by the sword; not a man was left. "" Judges 4:15-16 The account then goes on to describe how Sisera escaped to the tent of Jael where she lulled him into a false sense of safety and then drove a tent peg through his temple with a hammer. The song of victory by Deborah and Barak celebrated the crushing of the head of Sisera in graphic detail (Judges 5:25-27). And it is this that Psalm 83 implores God to again do to His enemies.. ""As you did to Sisera ..."" 6. The blessings of obedience and the curse of disobedience The imprecatory Psalms are fully consistent with the Law of God: ""If you do not carefully follow all the words of this Law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome Name - the Lord your God - the Lord will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants. He will bring upon you all the diseases of Egypt that you dreaded, and they will cling to you. The Lord will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in this Book of the Law until you are destroyed...because you did not obey the Lord your God ... so it will please Him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess. "" Deuteronomy 28:58-63 The covenant God made with His people included curses for disobedience as well as blessings for obedience. Deuteronomy 27 records the formal giving and receiving of the covenant terms in an awesome account: ""The Levites shall recite to all the people of Israel in a loud voice: ""Cursed is the man who carves an image or casts an idol - a thing detestable to the Lord, the work of the craftsman's hands - and sets it up in secret. "" Then all the people shall say, ""Amen!"" "" ""Cursed is the man who dishonours his father or his mother... ""Cursed is the man who moves his neighbour's boundary stone... ""Cursed is the man who leads the blind astray on the roads... ""Cursed is the man who withholds justice from the alien, the fatherless or the widow... ""Cursed is the man who kills his neighbour secretly... ""Cursed is the man who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person. ""Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of the Law by carrying them out. Then all the people shall say, ""Amen!"" "" Deut 27:14-26 The New Testament confirms that the inevitable consequence of rejecting Christ is the curse. ""If anyone does not love the Lord - a curse be on him. "" 1 Corinthians 16:22 (See also: Romans 12:19-21; Hebrews 1:1-3; 3:7-12; 3:1519; 10:26- 31; 12:14-29.) 7. How can we preach these prayers? The Church of Jesus Christ is an army under orders. Scripture constitutes the official dispatch from the Commander- in-Chief. But we have a problem: those who are called to pass on those orders to others are refusing to do so. How then can we expect to be a united, effective army? Is it any wonder that the troops have lost sight of their commission to demolish the strongholds of the kingdom of darkness? If the Church does not hear the battle cries of her Captain, how will she follow Him onto the battlefield? Pastors are commissioned to pass on the orders of the Church's Commander, never withholding or changing His words. One whose job is to carry dispatches to troops in wartime would face certain and severe punishment if he dared to amend the general's orders. The pastor's charge is of greater importance than that of a courier in any earthly army. There's no place tor the dispatcher to decide he doesn't agree with his Commander's strategy. When Jesus Christ sent seventy-two disciples on a preaching mission, He told them to proclaim the coming of God's Kingdom (Lk 10:9) - that is, to announce that people must submit to God's rule in their lives. Jesus instructed them to pray for peace on any house they approach, assuring them that if anyone rejected it, the peace would return on the disciples (verse 5). But we must consider what He said they should do if their message were rejected - that is, if the hearers persisted in rebellion against God's rule - ""But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its 'streets and say, 'Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God is near""' Luke 10:11. What would be the result of that denunciation? I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom [on which God sent fire from Heaven in judgement for its wickedness] than for that town (verse 12). Immediately Jesus added curses on Korazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum tor their rejection of His message (verses 13-15). He then explained to the disciples the great authority He had given them: ""He who listens to you listens to Me; he who rejects you rejects Me; but he who rejects Me rejects him who sent Me "" (verse 16). This is the fundamental basis tor calling down God's curses on anyone: his persistent rebellion against God's authority expressed in His Law and the ministry of His servants. We need to clearly and forcefully proclaim the war cries of the Prince of Peace. Only then will the Church awake from its lethargy and once again enter the battle. If we tail to pass on the battle cry then a lack of urgency and confusion in the ranks will be inevitable. Like Psalm 1 our preaching needs to clearly show the blessings of obedience and the curse of disobedience. The eternal truth is that God cannot be mocked. Whatever a man sows - that shall he reap (Galatians 6:7). The curses pronounced on disobedience in Deut 28:47-53 were fulfilled in detail in Samaria (2 Kings 6:2&29) and in Judea (AD 70). The wrath of God upon covenant breakers is real. The ""I"" of the Psalms is Jesus Christ. The ""we"" of the Psalms includes those of us in the Lord Jesus. The enemies are not our own, individually, but those of the Lord and of His Church. The Psalms are ot Christ as Prophet, Priest, and King. They record Christ's march in victory against the kingdom of darkness. As Christ is the author of the Psalms, so, too, is He the final fulfilment of the covenant on which they are based. God will answer the psalmist's prayers completely in Jesus Christ on the final day of judgment. While on earth Jesus foretold the day when He will say: ""But those enemies of Mine who did not want Me to be King over them - bring them here and kill them in front of Me"" Luke 19:27. A fatal end awaits everyone who refuses to acknowledge and to obey Jesus as King and Lord. Hearing expositions of these war psalms of the Prince of Peace will remind His people that God's kingdom is at war! The kingdom of darkness is being overcome by the kingdom of Jesus Christ, a war in which each local congregation of believers plays a vital part. You must rally your battalion to put on the whole armour of God, including ""the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God "" Eph 6:17. That battle- readiness also involves ""pray(ing) in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests n Eph 6:18. Christ teaches His army to pray for the utter destruction of the enemies of God as the psalmist did: ""Pour out Your wrath on the nations that do not acknowledge You, on the kingdoms that do not call on Your Name"" Ps 79:6. To deal with the very real hurts and injustices in this world it is necessary for us to pray for God's justice. Those who are persecuted need the comfort of these prayers. ""Let the saints rejoice in His honour and sing for joy...May the praise of God be in their mouths and a double-edged sword in their hands, to inflict vengeance on the nations and punishment on the peoples, to bind their kings with fetters, their nobles with shackles of iron, to carry out the sentences written against them. This is the glory of all His saints. Praise the Lord. "" Ps 149:5-9 Prayer is, in fact, spiritual warfare. One weapon is prayer for conversion of spiritual enemies; another is prayer for judgement on those who finally refuse to be converted. We handicap the army of God when we refuse to use both of these great weapons that He has given us. It is at all times a part of the task of the people nf God to destroy evil. If you have been guilty of dulling your sword, by neglecting or undermining these psalms, repent of that sin, sharpen your sword anew, and go forth to do battle in the Name and for the Glory of Jesus - until ""the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea"" Hab 2:14. The full book ""War Psalms of the Prince of Peace "" is available, at R25, from Frontline Fellowship, PO Box 74 Newlands, 7725 RSA. ",soc.religion.christian 1850,": >: I'd really like to see such a thing developed so that interactive : >:internet talk radio could be done. Ideally, though, it should be a general : >:purpose device. It should be a general purpose enough device that nobody : >:should be able to balk at its widespread use. Obviously, to make it easy : >:for homebrewers, it should use pretty common hardware. : : Why don't we move down even further toward the masses by setting this : up on an IBM PC clone(probably needs to be a 386 or a 486) with a : sound blaster and a V.32bis modem. Those components are very widely I concur for a PC to PC version. BUT for a interactive thing like internet talk radio?!?! It makes me cringe at the amount of hogging such a thing would do to the bandwidth of the internet. I mean 15 meg files getting floated around for internet talk radio is bad enough. I have a solution; use the phone system; take your electronics and use them on point to point conversations through the phone and thats it. If you need to tell someone something secret and very important wouldn't it make more sense to write it out concisely? And if it's just a quick ""YO"" then use a code word and spend your twenty cents. Those good ol analog systems like Shortwave, Telephones, and TV's have a use don't gunk up a nice digital packet network trying to emulate them!",sci.crypt 1851," But aren't you imposing your moral standards against gay people because you do not want to rent to, or hire, or as you put associate with, ( and I do not know of a law that requires you to associate with gay people)? It works both ways.",talk.politics.misc 1852,"Newsgroup: sci.electronics From: martin.vuille@synapse.org Subject: Electronic Design Does anyone know the telephone number for the circulation department of 'Electronic Design' magazine? MV",sci.electronics 1853,"I would like to prevent our Windows users from using ctl-alt-del from within windows. I know there must be a way to do it. Could anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance, Mike Glynn mike.glynn@business.gatech.edu",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1854,"Does anyone here know anything about chelation therapy using EDTA? My uncle has emphesema, and a doctor wants to try it on him. We are wondering if: 1. Is there any evidence EDTA chelation therapy is beneficial for his condition, or any condition? 2. What possible side effects are there. How can they be mimimized? Please respond via e-mail to rme1@cornell.edu",sci.med 1855," The Catholic church has an entirely different view of Mary than do ""most"" other Christian churches (those with parallel beliefs notwithstanding). Christ, by most accounts, is the only sinless person to ever live. I too, have trouble with a sinless Mary concept just. As for the related issue of the ""original"" sin - only Adam and Eve will answer for that one. My children do not answer for my sins, certainly I only answer for mine.",soc.religion.christian 1856," Really now. Why is this the pot calling the kettle black? I am stating that a person who shows a continually biased opinion is close-minded and that his opinion should be ignored. Clayton is stating that a group of at least two million (1%) American citizens are evil vicious malicious child-molesters. Here's a hypothetical question... If Clayton said something like ""all those niggers are really stupid."" (Please don't be offended, I'm not racist but merely using an example of Clayton's malign logic). And then said he read a report that a lot of blacks in inner cities dropped out of school, I bet he wouldn't have your support. Yet he can claim that all homosexuals are dishonest, evil, lying child molesters without *PERSONALLY* having a single homosexual friend or acquaintance and you'll sit there and support him.",talk.politics.misc 1857,"*** On 04-21-93 04:50, R.x. Getter had the unmitigated gall to say this: RG> This may be a dumb question, but I need to put a hard drive on my RG> father's PC/XT, either MFM, RLL, or IDE. I know how to hook it up, but RG> how do I tell the computer the geometry of the drive. On my 386, you RG> set it in the BIOS, but I doubt that's how it's done on an XT. I Most XT IDE controllers are responsible for keeping track of the drive geometry and getting the information to the computer. The controller may come with software to update its on-board BIOS, or may be designed to work with a particular drive. Seagate drives usually have special controllers for use on XT's, and these are tailored to the drive. Also, you cannot low-level format an IDE drive. The low-level format is stored on specal magnetic areas on the disk surface called ""servos"" (not like the electronic use of the term) that need a higher recording bias than the drive's recording heads can generate. Don't try to low-level format an IDE drive! ... P.E.T.A. People for the Eating of Tasty Animals --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1858,"Not that the question is anything important, but I am still curious: Why is that almost all printed circuit boards are green? I have seen a few blue ones, but no red, yellow, company logo etc. Is there a technical reason or could it be that the marketing ""geniuses"" have not tought about it (yet)?",sci.electronics 1859," Gant's ML record Age 28 this season. Year G AB BA OBP SLG HR SB CS 1987 21 83 .265 .271 .386 2 4 2 1988 146 563 .259 .317 .439 19 19 10 <-- 3rd Base Expt. year 1989 75 260 .177 .237 .335 9 9 6 1990 152 575 .303 .357 .539 32 33 16 1991 154 561 .251 .338 .496 32 34 15 1992 153 544 .259 .321 .415 17 32 10 In the majors for parts of 6 seasons, total playing time approx 4.5 seasons. Just looking at his hitting record, he's had 2 seasons of OPS greater than .800, which is pretty good for an OF. His 1988 season is pretty decent for a rookie 2B. The move to third base explains a lot of his 1989. When he returned as an OF, he began hitting again. And of course, last year he slumped. But no learning curve? He has obviously improved his batting eye over the years, as well as his SB/CS ratio. As to his fielding, he was an infielder when he was drafted, a 2Bman as he came up through the Braves system, and then the Braves put him through 2 position changes in the space of a year. He's an adequate OF, although not great, and at least some of your perception of his fielding is colored by watching him learn to play the OF at the ML level. (I know you're another long-term Braves fan :) About playing 3B...IMO, that's the 2nd most DIFFICULT position to field, after catcher. At SS or 2B, you need more range and speed, but at 3B, you've got to have quick reflexes and have a GUN for an arm. There are NO second chances at 3B, even when playing sandlot softball! Granted, I'd still put my best overall infielder at SS, but that's because he gets more chances, not because the job is harder. It still amazes me that so many teams have tried to convert other position players to 3B. But maybe that's because the supply of ""natural"" 3B is scarce. Finally, Gant is a player who puts pressure on himself to perform well, and works hard to improve. You don't get those amazingly huge arms on that relatively small body without a lot of weight work. Now, whether he's been overdoing it these days may be a valid question, as is the question of whether he tries too hard to make something happen during each at-bat. But frankly, if a player is going to not live up to potential, I'd much rather they fail by trying too hard, than by not trying hard enough. You might be able to teach relaxation to an adult; but at that age I don't believe you can teach hustle. All that said, I don't think I'd sign Gant to another long-term contract. He's 28 now, and I think he's free-agent eligible in 2 years, when he'll be 30. Given his career curve and limitations, I wouldn't expect him to last much past 35 as a ML ballplayer. He might surprise me here, but Atlanta's got some talent on the farm, and I'd rather take my chances down the road with Nieves et al.",rec.sport.baseball 1860," Are 180 degree V-6 ""Flat-Six"" engines???",None 1861," I think C.S. Lewis has argued that medieval people did not all think the world is flat. However, this argument goes both ways. Pretend someone telling Plato that it is highly probable that people do not really have souls; their minds and their consciousness are just something their brains make up, and their brains (their body) is actually ahead of their mind even in voluntarly actions. I don't think Plato would have been happy with this, and neither would Paul, although Paul's ideas were quite different. However, if you would _read_ what we discuss in this group, and not just preach, you would see that there currently is much evidence in favour of these statements. The same applies to the theory of natural selection, or other sacred cows of Christianity on our origins and human nature. I don't believe in spirits, devils or immortal souls any more than in gods. Ah, you said it. You believe what you want to. This is what I had assumed all along. You might be as well planting Satan's seeds, ever thought of this? Besides, you haven't yet explained why we must believe so blindly, without any guiding light at all (at least I haven't noticed it). I don't think this is at all fair play on god's part. Your argument sounds like a version of Pascal's Wager. Please read the FAQ, this fallacy is discussed there. And I failed to get help from the HS because I had a wrong attitude? Sorry, Dan, but I do not think this spirit exists. People who claim to have access to it just look badly deluded, not gifted. Petri ",alt.atheism 1862," Ford aimed for 75% US content when they designed the new Probe. In actual practice it came out to 77% US content. If my '89 is any example the 23% that is imported may be the engine and brakes, at least the '89 had Missybitchy brakes. ",rec.autos 1863,"... This is a common misconception, shared my many manufacturers, programmers, and users alike. COM3, for example, is simply the third equipped COMM port, not necessarily the one with I/O address 3E8. The BIOS just searches sequentially through a set of potential COMM port addresses. The first equipped port it finds will become COM1, etc. If you're playing by the rules, you can't have a COM4 unless you have a COM3 equipped. The set of ""standard"" (whatever that means) port addresses merely reflects the order in which the BIOS searches the I/O address space in its search for serial ports. So, what you have is indeed COM3 at the non-standard address 2E8. Were this address in the 4th table slot instead, programs which query the BIOS to determine the number of installed COMM ports would not find it, as the field in the BIOS data area which contains this number would indicate that there are but 3 COMM ports installed. (Frankly, I don't know of a simgle program that would actually have a problem with this.) ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1864,"[Frank's solution deleted.] If you have access to telnet, contact nyx.cs.du.edu. It's a public access Unix system, completly free, and all you need to for access is a verifiable form of ID (I think he requires a notarized copy of a picture, or a check, or some such).",alt.atheism 1865," Is it realistic for the government to try to keep the details of the encrytion algorithm secret if it intends to use evidence from wiretaps in court? Won't defense attorneys attempt to obtain the details of the method if the prosecution attempts to present evidence from wiretaps in court? Is it certain that such attempts will fail? James B. Shearer ",sci.crypt 1866,"You will keep in perfect peace him whose mind is steadfast, because he trusts in you. Isaiah 26:3 ",soc.religion.christian 1867,"How do I get a subscription to MacWeek. I want one, but I don't seem to be able to find a subscription card anywhere.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1868," You can't customize a command line interface? Where have you been? I can change the prompt, I can make aliases (so someone like me who is used to say, ls, can type it on my dos machine and still get a directory listing), and under Unix, if I don't like the command line interface, I throw it out and get a different one. (csh, bash, ksh, sh, etc...) This is true. A decent GUI for all variations of Unix? Lessee... what about Motif? Or the stuff from MIT? (twm comes to mind...) those are pretty standard. Heck, an xwindows program runs like it likes to -- all the end user has to really know is how to manipulate the actual windows with the mouse, and since it is a GUI, it's *graphical* and a bit easier to figure out. (Something the windows people have been pressing down our throats for some time now...) The thing I fear is that there will be a gap between the normal users running windows (all flavors) and the other ""power"" users running Unix and other more advanced OSes. At least right now, DOS is still pretty much king. I can bring a copy of my latest whiz-bang programming demo over to my friends house, and since we both run DOS, he can enjoy it too.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1869,"Hi Fellows, I have : -------------------------------------------------------- 36 pcs. 1x1-80 $102 + $5.00 for shipping. Total 107.00 -------------------------------------------------------- If interested, respond here or call 408/942-9690 Fax 408/942-9693 ",misc.forsale 1870,"Are there any graphics texts with examples/demos/projects directly in X? The last time I taught the course, I used a popular graphics text that uses its own graphics package, with implementations available for X/Mac/PC. The problem was that after the course the students were good at programming in the artificial package, but frustrated that they couldn't really use their skill for other work. ",comp.windows.x 1871,"Dear Netters, My friend have brought a S3801 card with 2Mb RAM. Is there any new driver for the card available on ftp cites? What is the newest version? She is very interest in have a driver for 1024x768 with HiColor and 800x600 true color. No such driver come with the card. K.W.Mok",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1872," I speculate, from the MykoTronx data sheet on the MYK-78, that the algorithm is a classified cryptosystem, similar in application to DES but cleared by the NSA for classified traffic, that has been in use for a number of years. Myktotronx refers to it as ""Government Type II encryption"", which matches the designation of one of the types of encryption available on STU-III phones, and may be the same as a cryptosystem I have heard called ""CIPHER2"". This would make sense, since this is evidently a field-proven cryptosystem which can act as a ""pin-compatible"" substitute for DES. Combined with a tappable key exchange protocol, this would offer exactly what is claimed for Clipper: secure encryption with access via a key escrow. If this is fact the case, it would make me quite confident of the encipherment algorithm itself. Now, I do not know if these are in fact the same cryptosystem; my knowledge of classified cryptography isn't even fuzzy :), it's nonexistent. However, it would certainly have been the least-effort approach on the part of the government: take an old military cipher that people can drop in place of DES (and which is at least as secure), set up a key escrow scheme for law enforcement, and promote it for public use. This also fits with Mykotronx, who's been around but almost invisible for years. Has anyone else made this sort of connection, or am I just hallucinating pink elephants here? :). My curiousity has been piqued... ",sci.crypt 1873," [ ... ] [ ... ] One very interesting thing I notice about this is that the only use of the chip key is to encode the session key for the law enforcement field. It is not used at all by the encryption algorithm. It seems like it would be possible to create a device that would be otherwise compatible, but would send out a bogus law enforcement field. This might render the device unusable with ""normal"" devices if there's some sort of validation involving the law enforcement field, but it could certainly be used with other such modified devices. Of course, this is irrelevant if the NSA has a backdoor in the algorithm, but it does make it possible to defeat the key escrow system. ",sci.crypt 1874," Damn. And I did so have my hopes up. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea.",alt.atheism 1875," The above article is a good short summary of traditional Christian teaching concerning the death of Mary. Also very good is ""Re: Question about the Virgin Mary"" by Micheal D. Walker. He tells the story very well. I would like to add that in the Eastern Orthodox Church we celebrate ""The Dormition (or falling asleep) of the Theotokos (the mother of God)"". The Icon for this day shows Mary lying on a bed surrounded by the Apostles who are weeping. Christ, in his resurrected glory, is there holding what seems to be a small child. This is, in fact, Mary's soul already with Christ in Heaven. The Assumption of Mary is one more confirmation for us as Christians that Christ did indeed conquer death. It forshadows the general resurrection on the last day. The disciples were not surprised to find Mary's body missing from the grave. She was the Mother of the Savior. She was the first of all Christians. She gave birth to the Word of God. If it were not for her we would not be saved. This is why we pray in the Orthodox Church, ""Through the prayers of the Theotokos, Savior save us.""",soc.religion.christian 1876,"Hi, I just test installed kanjitalk 6.07 on my IIci and got a black screen, a way sick looking mac icon, and when hitting the programmers reset, a tone sequence that I guess is the infamous ""tones of death."" I was able to reboot off a floppy, removed the japanese system, and set up the system folder on the hard drive to get system 7.01 back. Now have no overt problems with the mac. Any idea what caused the tones? I forget the numbers but 7fff comes to mind. If it is some self diagnostic, why would an older system version catch it, and not 7. ? (I'll be moving up to 7.1 and worldscript by-and-by) Thanks in advance, Hiroki",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1877,"I own a Zoom V.32bis modem and I am having some strange problems, I would like to contact the manufacturer.. but there is no address on the box. Does any1 have their address? or telephone number? Thanx, Don Smith",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1878," Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge, but I've never actually done it. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada",rec.motorcycles 1879,"Can anyone mail me the address of Houston's Mailing List? Thanks in advance. J. Scott Smithers smithers@dcseq.uscga.edu ",rec.sport.baseball 1880,"After seeing William Sessions on television, explaining the great lengths to which the FBI went to determine the suicidal tendancies of David Koresh, I got the very unpleasent feeling that Koresh had manipulated the FBI's perceptions much the way he manipulated his own followers. Maybe I was manipulated by the news story.",talk.politics.guns 1881," : I was recently talking to a possible employer ( mine! :-) ) and he made a reference to a : 48-bit graphics computer/image processing system. I seem to remember it being called IMAGE or : something akin to that. Anyway, he claimed it had 48-bit color + a 12-bit alpha channel. That's : 60 bits of info--what could that possibly be for? Specifically the 48-bit color? That's 280 : trillion colors, many more than the human eye can resolve. Is this an anti-aliasing thing? Or : is this just some magic number to make it work better with a certain processor. I'm pretty sure most industry strength image processing specific systems (i.e. photo processing gear) use as much as 96 bits of color info. Why? Why not, oversampling is never a bad idea especially if the hardware's only task is image manipulation, and profressional photographers demand professional results. : Also, to settle a bet with my roommate, what are SGI's flagship products? I know of : Iris, Indigo, and Crimson, but what are the other ones, and which is their top-of-the-line? : (sadly, I have access to none of them. Just a DEC 5000/25. Sigh.) Strange question, but anyway, there's the VGX line, the newer Indigo^2, and the Onyx systems are the new big boys on the block (you can get a 24 processor system with twice the graphics performance of a reality engine). There's more, but I don't have my handy ""periodic table of sgi's"" on me... ",comp.graphics 1882," Would you like fries with that, sir? ",None 1883," The Brady Bill passed the House in 1992, but failed to reach a vote in the Senate. As such, it never reached Bush. (Sarah Brady's condemnation not-withstanding). It'll probably pass the House again, and will probably pass the Senate if they can get it to a vote. Whether of not they'll be busy with other things will be the question. I don't expect gung-ho opposition on the part of Senate Republicans, since they won't want to over-use their fillibuster trump card. ",talk.politics.guns 1884,"How difficult would it be to do a solar sail mission to say mercury? Not much has been there and there is a 23?KM/s delta v to eat off. could a solar sail, handle say adiscovery bus, and drop it into mercury orbit, good enough for rockets to put it into some form of polar orbit?",sci.space 1885," Yes, they are nice ads, and even better: great prices. But this is all on the outside. The consumer sees this and orders. Little do they know, they will get *POOR* service (very poor). When I ordered a 105mb hard drive from TC about 6 months ago, I received it in the mail, installed it, and discovered it DIDN'T WORK!!! I sent it back to them, and they said they'd send me a refund check. IT TOOK MANY, MANY, MANY phone calls and hate-mail, as well as threats of lawsuit to get back my $250.00! In fact, it took TWO WHOLE MONTHS of calling and threatening! Every time I'd call, I would be put on the run-around until I finally wound up on an answering machine. I'd leave my name and phone #, but I didn't even get called back *ONCE*. I AM ONE PISSED OFF T.C. CUSTOMER, AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET RIPPED OFF, OR IF YOU WANT DECENT SERVICE, DO NOT --I REPEAT-- DO NOT BUY FROM THIS COMPANY. THE MONEY SAVED IS NOT WORTH THE ULCERS YOU WILL GET. PASS THIS WORD AROUND TO YOUR FRIENDS. Companies like this do not deserve to stay in business, so let's not give them out hard earned money. Discount Micro, Systems Powerhouse, and Gateway 2000 all have given me excellent service and speed in the past. I highly recommend them to anyone. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1886," There is a review of 3DO in the latest ""wired"" magazine. You may just want to take a trip to the local bookstore and check it out (there's some cool pics too). (I haven't read it yet, or I'd tell you more.. :-)",comp.graphics 1887,"Greeting I am starting work on a project where I am trying to make strain gages bond to bone in vivo or a period of several months. I am currently using hydroxyapaptite back gages, and I have tried M-bonding the gages to the bone. Apart from those two application methods there doesn't seem to be much else in the literature. I have only an engineering background not medical or biological. I would be interest in any ideas about how to stimulte bone growth on the surface of cortical bone. Thanks for oyur help in Advance.",sci.med 1888," Nice touch - using the word *seem*. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI ",None 1889," The green layer is a solder-mask, and is used to make a finished board look neat, and to avoid solder bridges, especially when using wave soldering (or any other mechanized approach). I've seen red mask, but most that I've seen are green. A bakelite board will look brown in colour, and, if the solder mask is put on, looks like a brown board with green 'paint' on either side (or just one side) of the board. A fibreglass board will look green from the side, because the green solder-mask makes the board appear that colour. If you got a fibreglass board with no mask, it would be a whitish-grey colour. Teflon boards do exist, as well... but I'm not sure about that one.",sci.electronics 1890,"********* WANTED : Word Processing Typewriter ******** A friend is looking for a wordproccing electronic typewriter, preferably with 40 char. display and spelling correction. Send info to the addresses below: Thanks, -Steve",misc.forsale 1891,"existance. *************************************************************************** I just thought it necessary to help defend the point that Jesus existed. Guys: Jesus existed. If he didnt, then you have to say that Socrates didnt exist cuz he, like Jesus, has nothing from his hands that have survived. Only Plato and others record his existance. Many others record Jesus' existance, including the Babylonian Talmud. Sorry guys, the argument that Jesus may not have existed is a dead point now. He did. Whether he was God or whether there is a God is a completely different story, however. ***************************************************************************** ",alt.atheism 1892," While it may mean that in 1993, the relevant meaning comes from 1789. Moreover, ""controlled"" doesn't tell you WHO's doing the controllling. Fletcher's Political Works, pub'd in 1749, defines a ""well-regulated militia"", that being the relevant phrase, as being an armed people NOT under the control of govt. The wigged gents who argued about the constituion used it in that way. Feel free to provide a 1790s-era reference showing a usage other than ""individual right, not to be interfered with by govt"". Note that the first clause has a meaning - it is a restriction on govt military power. See Scarry's University of Penn law review article for an extended discussion. The existence of a well-regulated militia is a necessary part of that restriction, but it is not sufficient. -andy",talk.politics.guns 1893," Huh? Where did you get this idea from? I think you got this backwards. The Duo's memory is faster than its equivalent desktop machine by 5-10% (and the rest of the powerboks). I think the explanation for this was that it can refresh faster (in 2 instead of 5 cycles I believe). Things that could affect performance would be factors such as use of functions enhanced in the FPU (which the Duo doesn't have undocked). Extensions and background applications can slow your computer down too. Real life differences in speed are likely to be influence by the software you are running, what kind of screen depth you are running etc. Espen",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1894," [story about dealing having problems w/C610's deleted] I've had my C610 for about six weeks now with no problems whatsoever. It's been ""customized"" with--- * replaced the Apple-Quantum 80 drive with a Connor 212 drive. * installed a Tandberg SCSI tape drive in the internal bay which works just fine (though Apple doesn't seem to be supplying front panel bezels w/ a standard 5.25"" cutout...). It's hooked up to an Apple LaserWriter Plus and has no printing problems at all, tested printing complex Photoshop graphics. It has expanded VRAM and extra 8 meg SIMM, no problems. So in sum, I have no idea what this dealer is complaining about. -Fred",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1895,"I have many icons in IconEdit and PBIcon format and I would like to convert them to PBM, PGM or PPM format. Do you know the formats of IconEdit or PBIcon?",comp.graphics 1896,TRry the SKywatch project in Arizona.,None 1897," Where is Roger anyway? Haven't heard from him in awhile. He must be out on the golf course waiting for the Leafs to join him any day now. : ) ",rec.sport.hockey 1898," It could also be that your shell is hogging the resources. For example, open the apps with data files that cause resulting low system resources with ndw 2.x as shell, then do the same with program manager, and see if it's the shell or the apps.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1899,"ALL, Finally cleaned out the storage room and have the following items for sale: C-64 Computer 2-1542 Disk Drives 1351 Mouse all cables lots of software (mostly games) The computer and drives work (hooked it to the TV to test) except for sound-evidently the sound chip is gone. When GEOS was loaded, the mouse would not respond, so assume it is bad. Could be used for the games, or for spare parts. If interested, would accept any reasonable offers. Send replies to ihlpl!rsbrd or call (708) 979-8816.",misc.forsale 1900,"Hi, is there any script/program/thelike already existing which could transform the output of x11perfcomp (a huge table) into a nice 3d'ish diagram or graph by producing postscript output from x11perfcomp input ? Maybe someone has already written such beast ... ",comp.windows.x 1901,"-*---- I pity those who hope that medical knowledge can resolve issues such as this. This issue has been rehashed in sci.med time and time again. The bottom line is this: in normal circumstances, both the medical advantages of and the medical risks of circumcision are minor. This means that the decision is left to the religious, cultural, ethical, and aesthetic mores of the parents, at best, or to the habit of the concerned hospital or caregivers, at worst. As (prospective) parents, you should do what you want in this regard and not worry about it too much. In terms of decisions you make for your child, it will have far less importance than many -- such as which schools you choose -- that most parents think about only a little. This question will undoubtedly push the buttons of people who feel that the decision to circumcise your infant or not is a momentous medical decision. It is not.",sci.med 1902,"I'm not sure were this thread has been before i popped in, but I've never thought of waiting periods as having anything to do with training or competence. I just can't imagin any valid reason for having a gun that can't wait a few days. I can think of plenty of bad reasons for not wanting a waiting period: I want to buy a gun and kill so-and-so right now, I've crossed the state line to buy a gun illegally and I can't afford to spend the night here, etc. I'm not a big fan of guns, but I feel that it is important to guard American's rights to own them. On the other hand, we license and regulate many things without seriously impeding anyones constitutional rights.",talk.politics.guns 1903,"initially, 79 returned to active use, 80 new sectors marked bad, following successive runs of spinrite. I think I need a new ESDI HDD controller. I know that these two will work: DTC 6280 Adaptec 2322B Others that MIGHT work: DTC 6282 Ultra Store 12 WD 1007V If you own one and will sell it cheaply I'll buy it. Thanks, -Greg Bishop gt3635a@hydra.gatech.edu",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1904," bleagh! this was a terrific trade. snow will certainly be better than mattingly in the future, but that they'll be about the same now is a defensible opinion. abbott is one of the few truly great pitchers in the game today. i'm not sure about this one. i think that it's good, in that a pre-1992 boggs kicks hayes/meulens/whoevers' ass, and that a 1992 boggs still isn't ALL that shabby. it's bad, though, that the yankees expect a pre-1992 boggs, and will probably get a 1992 boggs. however, i'd still play boggs over hayes or bam bam. you have my full agreement here. he's not all that much better than velarde, and silvestri is just about a lock to be better than him. however, i do enjoy the fact that ""spike"" is not a nickname. not that this helps the yankees. i strongly disagree. i'd much much rather have a hundred games of tartabull and sixty games of dion james than 162 games of james. ",rec.sport.baseball 1905," Often Shuttle lifts satellites with upper stages. Yet we still consider it payload. Ten Saturn flights over about 4 years delivered to LEO roughly the same as 50 shuttle flights over 10 years. They where pretty much the same in terms of cost/pound. A resurected Saturn would cost only $2,000 per pound (if development costs are ignored) which is five times cheaper than Shuttle. Allen ",sci.space 1906,"I have also moved on to a 66.6 mhz clock. Thus far not problems. I'm not totallysurprised as I've had Q700 run at 35.4 mhz (CPU clock speed) using a VSO. My 25 mhz rated Daystar QuadraCache got very hot at 32 mhz and would fail previously. I glued on a piece of aluminum stock to the hi speed RAM chips and it runs cool without problems at 33.3 mhz. The combination is faster than a Q950. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1907," Might depend on where you live .. I know locally, for most of the winter the ground, and concrete floor, within sheds and garages (unheated) is signifacantly warmer than the average air temperature. The air does get warmer during the day, but during the night, the ground and concrete is definitely warmer, especially when protected by the walls from the albedo effect. And the nights are longer by several hours than the days. ",sci.electronics 1908," Hmm... there must be two towns with the same name. Kaliningrad, located just North of Moscow is correct. It is the home of several Russian space enterprises, including NPO Energia, Krunichev, Fakel, and Tsniimach. The main Russian manned spacecraft control facility is also located here. Kaliningrad is easily reachable by auto from Moscow, and tours can be arranged. Call ahead though, there are still armed military guards at many of these facilities -- who don't speak English, aren't well paid, and are rather bored. It's a very popular destination with Western space industry types at the moment. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor",sci.space 1909," In the hands of a defender, a .357 _is_ a miracle from God. He helps those who help themselves. Or haven't you ever heard that one before?",talk.religion.misc 1910,"[ deleted ] [ deleted ] Evolution is both fact and theory. The THEORY of evolution represents the scientific attempt to explain the FACT of evolution. The theory of evolution does not provide facts; it explains facts. It can be safely assumed that ALL scientific theories neither provide nor become facts but rather EXPLAIN facts. I recommend that you do some appropriate reading in general science. A good starting point with regard to evolution for the layman would be ""Evolution as Fact and Theory"" in ""Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes"" [pp 253-262] by Stephen Jay Gould. There is a great deal of other useful information in this publication. ",talk.religion.misc 1911," Thats pretty hard since CB900 customs weren't introduced until 1980. If you find a pre-80 one, hold onto it. It will be worth big bucks some day. Mine has comstar wheels. Methinks you need to do your homework better. And obviously, neither do you. ",rec.motorcycles 1912,"Yesterday, I went to the Boeing shareholders meeting. It was a bit shorter than I expected. Last year (when the stock was first down), they made a big presentation on the 777, and other programs. This year, it was much more bare-bones. In any case, I wanted to ask a question that the board of directors would hear, and so I got there early, and figured that If I didn't get to the mike, maybe they would read mine off of a card, and so I wrote it down, and handed it in. After the meeting started, Mr. Shrontz said that he would only answer written questions, in order to be fair to the people in the overflow room that only had monitors downstairs. Naturally, I was crushed. So, when question and answer time came, I was suprised to find my question being read and answered. Admittedly near the end of the ones that he took. Presumably getting there early, and getting the question in early made all the difference. So, on to the substance. The question was Is Boeing looking at anything BEYOND the high speed Civil Transport, such as a commercial space launch system, and if not, how will Boeing compete with the reusable single stage to orbit technology presently being developed by Mcdonnell Douglass? Well, he read it without a hitch, and without editing, with impressed me, then he answered it very quickly treating it as a two part question, last part first. This is to the best of my recollection what he said. As far as single stage to orbit technology, we think that we have a better answer in a two stage approach, and we are talking to some of our customers about that. As far as commercialization, that is a long ways off. The High speed Civil Transport is about as far out as our commercial planning goes at this point. So, this tells me that Boeing still considers space to be a non-commercial arena, and for the most part this is true, however it also tells me that they consider there to be enough money in building space launchers for them to persue work on their own. Now, I do have a friend on the spacelifter program at boeing. Actually, this is a mis-nomer, as there is no spacelifter contract for the work that this guy is doing, however, he is doing work in preparation of a proposal for space lifter contracts. He won't tell me what he is doing, but maybe this is where the TSTO action is taking place at boeing. At the very minimum, the chairman of the board of boeing said that they have an approach in mind, and they are trying to do something with it. Anybody know anything further? Is this really news? Does this threaten further work on DC-? ?",sci.space 1913," It is the Croats that were divided, at least 70,000 were left in Serbian province of Vojvodina. It is the Muslims that were divided, 200,000 left in the region of Sanjak that now belongs to Serbia. If the Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina want self-determination, the same right should be given to Croats and Muslims, and Albanians and Hungarians in Serbia. Why should Serbia be exempted? ",talk.politics.mideast 1914," and skill. If you haven't done it before, it can be dangerous. It takes some getting used to. Read Ed's list. ",None 1915,"as far as simply mapping your logo or whatever onto a cube or sphere, it's quite easy. Just either copy the GIF you want mapped into the map directory or add a map path to the directory where it currently is. Then go into the materials editor and make a new material with that as the bit map, voila.. __________________________________________________________________________ | / |\ | H E \ Y B E R |/ E N [ zippy@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]",comp.graphics 1916," They must be theists in disguise. In any event, we don't _need_ to create religious parodies: just look at some actual religions which are absurd. And now . . . Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey.",alt.atheism 1917,"I can (and do) take religious writings as a metaphor for life. I do this with all sorts of fiction, from Beowolf to Deep Space Nine. The idea is to not limit yourself to one book, screen out the good stuff from what you read, and to remember that it is all just a story. You sound Buddist to me :^)",alt.atheism 1918," Antihistamines have been the active ingredient of OTC sleep aids for decades. Go to any drugstore and look at the packages of such sleep aids as Sominex, Nytol, etc. The active ingredient is: diphenhydramine, the same antihistamine that's in Benadryl. -- Steven Litvintchouk MITRE Corporation 202 Burlington Road Bedford, MA 01730-1420",sci.med 1919," While I have respect for John's ability and integrity, I really regret his leaving just after a major release (or, more accurately, making the release just before leaving). Several of us are having problems with xv-3.00, and in particular I have issues with all the fixes that have so far been made to the Imakefiles and xv.h. Without John to adjudicate, and everybody posting fixes that work for *them*, chaos is inevitable; let's hope it is temporary.",comp.windows.x 1920," I think the answer to Mr. Mayamsky's question can be found in the first amendment to the US Constitution. Amendment I (1791) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Steve",talk.politics.mideast 1921,"Talking about car alarms, there are certain cars in this country that are only insurable if they are fitted with a Vecta alarm. We're talking Coswoths and Porsches and stuff. Just before they (the insurance companies) decided to make this move, they insisted that the car be fitted with a Scorpion alarm ( now they've changed to the Vecta)... so everyone who's spent $$$ on fitting the Scorpion alarm have founbd themselves having to upgrade to the Vecta system.",rec.autos 1922," Macsee.zip on ftp.cica.indiana.edu is supposed to read and write Mac disks. I've never tried it, though. Good luck",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1923," horizontally opposed 4. or 'boxer' great idea, actually.. smooth running; low center of gravity.. also used in some honda gullwings, corvairs, porsches (others?) ... ",rec.autos 1924,I wonder how many more years it will take Gretz to beat this one? ;-),rec.sport.hockey 1925," I am forced to disagree with you. First of all, one may have been born from a non-Turkish, non-Muslim parent outside the Turkish land, yet still can be a Turk, provided this person calls himself or herself a Turk. Because the designation of a Turk is not a genetic feature, not a racial or religious feature. It is a matter of identifying with the Turkish values. Secondly, the following observations by Westerners were written in French by Ahmet Cevat: ""If Turks had behaved like Christians to use force to convert to Islam the nations which they brought under their power, to which no one could have opposed, today there would be no Eastern problem. But Turks did not do so. They obeyed the word of the Koran to permit everybody ""to worship in their own way"" centuries before Frederick the Great pronounced his famous dictum. Thus, in an age when the Christian Europe itself shed Christian blood and when people in Europe enjoyed inflicting inhuman tortures upon those whose beliefs differed from theirs, the Ottoman Empire became the sole country where the inquisition did not exist, where deaths at the stake were unheard of and where accusations of witchcraft were not made. And the barbarian (!) Turkey was the only country where the Jews persecuted and chased away everywhere by the Christians, could find asylum. These facts demonstrate that Muslim countries provided spiritually far better living conditions than Christian countries.""[1] ""The Turks, who are a conquering nation, did not Turkify the nations that came under their rule; instead, they respected their religions and traditions. It was a stroke of luck for Romania to live under Turkish rule instead of Russian or Austrian rule. Because otherwise there would not have been a Romanian nation today"" (Popescu Ciocanel). ""Turks rule over people under their administration only externally, without interfering with their internal structures. On account of this, the autonomy of minorities in Turkey is better and more complete than any in the most advanced European countries.""[2] ""...human beings hate each other on account of religious differences. This flaw is older than Islam and Christianity. But there has never been any examples of this adjuration in Turkey because Turks never oppress anybody on account of his religion. If enmity on the basis of religion had been such a case of simple contempt among us too, or if it did not keep translating itself into action, many nations in our Europe would probably have considered themselves happy!"" (A. de Mortraye).[3] ""Turkey never became a scene for religious terror or for the cruelty of the inquisition. On the contrary, it served as an asylum for the unfortunate victims of Christian fanaticism. If you look into history, you will see that in the fifteenth century thousands of Jews who were expelled from Spain and Portugal found such a good asylum in Turkey that their descendants have been living there very calmly all through these approximately three hundred years, and are only forced to defend themselves in some countries against the cruelty of Christians, especially that of the Orthodoxes. No Jew is able to appear in public during Easter celebrations in Athens, even today. In Turkey, however, if the Israelites are insulted by the Greek and Armenian communities, local courts immediately take them under their protection."" ""In that vast and calm country of the sultan, all religions and nations are living together peacefully. Although the mosque is superior to the church and the synagogue, it does not replace them. Because of this, the Catholic sect is more free in Istanbul and Smyrna compared with Paris and Lyon. In addition to the fact that no law in Turkey prohibits the open-air ceremonies of this sect, neither does any law imprison its cross in the church. While the dead are being taken to the graves, a long line of priests bear processional candles and chant Catholic hymns. When all the priests in all the churches in the Galata and Beyoglu districts go into the streets and form clerical processions during the Eucharist celebrations, chanting hymns and bearing their crosses and religious banners, a detachment of soldiers escorts them which forces even the Turks to stand in respect around the group of priests."" (A. Ubicini).[4] [1] Ah. Djevat, ""Yabancilara Gore Eski Turkler,"" 3rd ed. (Istanbul, 1978), pp. 70-71. [2] Ibid., p.91. [3] Ibid., pp. 214-215. [4] Ibid., pp. 215-216. Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 1926,"My first and most important point is that regardless of how your recovery happened, I'm glad it did! On 10-May-93 in Re: How I got saved... NOW! The point that I'll try to make is that coincidences like this occur with a very high frequency. How many of us have been thinking of someone and had that person call? Much of the whole psychic phenomenon is easily explicable by this - one forgets the misses. Consider your astrological forcast in the newspaper. How many times have you said ""That's me"" vs ""That's not me""? You'll remember the hits, but the misses will be much more frequent. On 10-May-93 in Re: How I got saved... And what if, instead if being healed, your affliction got much worse and you ended up paralyzed? Would you have attributed that to god as well? Or would that have been the work of satan? If you believe that would have been so, why ONLY good from god, and ONLY evil from satan? Couldn't the agony have come from god? Think about what he did to poor Job! David Hunt - Graduate Slave | My mind is my own. | Towards both a Mechanical Engineering | So are my ideas & opinions. | Palestinian and Carnegie Mellon University | <<>> | Jewish homeland! ====T=H=E=R=E===I=S===N=O===G=O=D=========T=H=E=R=E===I=S===N=O===G=O=D===== Email: bluelobster+@cmu.edu Working towards my ""Piled Higher and Deeper""",soc.religion.christian 1927," Not entirely true. A friend of mine was having trouble finishing the game GODS and asked me for help since he could not find a ""trainer"" (small patch that lets you play without losing lifes). The game is compressed but I did find *one* byte which when changed in the original *compressed* file would not affect the decompression and would also prevent the ""shield"" in the game from being tured off turning therefore making you invincible. There are many other progs whose copy protection was defeated one way or another and I have seen examples of this with my own eyes. The copy protection schemes defeated were various such as using protected mode, compressed executables, progs that load and execute other progs (possibly compressed), dongles, key disks, etc... I believe that persistence overcomes even the very best copy protection schemes. ",sci.electronics 1928," You allways could port and use emu from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/emu.tar.Z. We've implemented a blinking text cursor for the very reasons people mentioned. You can even configure the actual size of the text cursor (horizontal / ver- tical line cursors, smaller block cursors), turn on and off blinking, set the blink rate and so on. You even get blinking text - ok, enough advertising. I haven't looked at the xterm code in this respect, but from the memories I have when we had to decide whether to start with xterm and make it do what we wanted (mostly the blinking text), I'd say it won't be easy, since xterm is a hairy mess (understandable if you follow it's roots back to X10). The actual task to get the cursor to blink isn't that difficult if you provide the right hooks. As Antonio mentioned, you'll have to show the cursor directly after it has moved, or people will become confused. Since it's a good idea to take the cursor off the screen when you do anything on screen anyways, this isn't very complicated. You'll just have to start the blink process with the cursor showing directly after it's mapped. As for the portability of emu and it's newest version. The one on export is still the same as on the R5 contrib tape. We wanted to get out a new release for over six months now, but unfortunately we're drowning in work. But since the changes aren't affectiong emu's behavior much, I'd say whoever wants to try emu shouldn't wait for a new version. As is, emu won't work on BSD derived systems (e.g. SUNs) with anything else than a csh. There is a fix to this, which is very short (remove one line of code). I'll put this on export today. Michael",comp.windows.x 1929,"The following books are up for sale. All are in good to excellent condition. Make offers. rob@phavl.uucp ( uunet!phavl!rob ) Robert Ransbottom General Supply & Metals, Inc. voice: 508-999-6257 Index: Miscellany C C++ Unix & Operating System Intel Processor & MS-DOS Miscellany: Algorithms, 2nd Ed., Sedgewick, Hardbound List: $41.00 Programmers at Work, Lammers List: $10.00 Software Reliability, Musa, Iannino, Okumoto HARDBOUND List: $51.00 The Users Guide to Small Computers, Jerry Pournelle List: $10.00 Out of the Inner Circle, Bill Landreth List: $10.00 Elementary Pascal, Ledgard, Singer List: $13.00 C++ Language: Object Oriented Program Design with Examples in C++, Mark Mullin List: $20.00 C Language: Variations in C, Schustack List: $23.00 Programs and Data Structures in C, Ammeraal List: $20.00 Turbo C Programmer's Library, Jamsa List: $23.00 Advanced Turbo C, Hebert Schildt List: $23.00 Understanding C, Bruce Hunter List: $18.00 C Database Development, Al Stevens List: $24.00 C Programmer's Library, Purdum, Leslie, Stegemotter List: $20.00 Dr. Dobbs Toolbook of C, Dr. Dobb's Journal List: $25.00 C with Excellence Programing Proverbs, Henry Ledgard List: $19.00 C, the Pocket Reference, Herbert Schildt List: $5.00 C Programming Guide, Jack Purdum, SOME WEAR List: $25.00 C Programmer's Toolkit (w/ Disk), Jack Purdum List: $40.00 C: Step-by-Step, Waite, Prata List: $28.00 Unix and Operating System: The Unix System V Environment, S. R. Bourne List: $27.00 UNIX Papers, Michael Waite, editor List: $27.00 UNIX for MS-DOS Programmers, Steven Mikes List: $25.00 The Business Guide to the UNIX System, Yates, Emerson List: $20.00 UNIX Programming on the 80286/80386, Alan Deikman List: $25.00 UNIX The Complete Reference, Stephen Collin List: $25.00 Unix Primer Plus, Waite, Martin, Prata List: $20.00 UNIX for Programmers, An Introduction, Daniel Farkas List: $23.00 Unix for Super-Users, Foxley List: $26.00 UNIX Communications, Henderson, et al List: $28.00 Microport System V Made Easy: Learning the UNIX O.S., O'Reilly ( SV.3.2) List: $10.00 Understanding and Using COFF, Gintaras, O'Reilly & Assoc. List: $22.00 Operating System Design The XINU Approach, P.C. Ed., D. Comer & Foosum, HARD List: $53.00 Microcomputer Operating Systems, Dahmke List: $17.00 INTEL Processor, MS-DOS: Inside the IBM PC (w/ disk), Peter Norton List: $30.00 Using Turbo Prolog, Robinson List: $20.00 Using Assembly Language, Wyatt (ibm pc orientation) List: $27.00 Compute's Quick & Easy Guide to Learning Lotus 1-2-3, Doug Wolf List: $13.00 Advanced 80386 Programming Techniques, James Turley List: $23.00 intel 80386 System Software Writer's Guide, Intel Corp. List: $20.00 Performance Programming Under MS-DOS, Michael Young List: $20.00 Programmer's Problem Solver for the IBM PC, XT & AT, R. Jourdain List: $20.00",misc.forsale 1930,"I've turned my monitor on and off with the cpu running many times. Each time I wonder what I am doing to my CPU by directly hooking in such a high current draw on its lines while it is running. Does this put a substantial spike on the power line? Could one possibly lose data or damage equipment? ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1931," No. No. The library at Alexandria was perhaps the greatest library ever built in the world. The Greeks had a love of wisdom, philo sophos, and this great love was reflected in the Alexandrian library. The Christians got a hold of it and began modifying and purging texts and then the Moslems invaded and either the Christians burned the library to keep it from falling into Moslems hands (far more likely since they were the book burners, not the Moslems), or it burned in the sack of the city or the Moslems burned it. Either way, a tremendous amount of information was lost. The destruction of the library of Alexandria was probably one of the greatest crimes of man against man. Actually, the Hebrew almah, (young woman), was translated as the Hellenistic Greek parthenos which may or may not be correctly translated into the modern and technical English term virgin. The Jews did not have the type of virginity cult that the Greco-Romans had in Artemis and Diana. The standard text used by Christians and Jews is the Masoretic Text. Jews of course use the text in its original Hebrew, without translation. Propaganda.",talk.religion.misc 1932," Yow! Am I ENCRYPTING yet? Didn't we go over this guns'n'crypto discussion a few months ago? Must we go over it again?",sci.crypt 1933," Or the library might be there but not pointed to by LD_LIBRARY_PATH.",None 1934,"Would someone be willing to explain to me the 486DX 50MHz is not more popular than it is? I would think it would be just as fast, if not faster than the 486DX 66MHz for certian applications. Plus, a 50MHz motherboard would seem better if you had any plans on upgrading the chip in the future. I must be missing something, since everyone is buying the DX2 66... Many adds don't even mention the DX 50.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1935," My $0.02 worth: I did this once. BDI LadyCager in a Town Car passed me on the right on a two lane road!:-{ I memorized her license plate (this in the days before I carried pen and paper in my tankbag) and went to the local police station. Cops filled out the ticket. I signed it. She paid it! tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil",rec.motorcycles 1936," You're reading far too much into this (aside from the obvious fact that you shouldn't hold anybody to what they wrote in a 10 year old book in a rapidly changing field like this.) Quite simply she says that the security should not DEPEND on the secrecy of the algorithm. A secret algorithm can still be secure, after all, we just don't know it. Only our level of trust is affected, not the security of the system. The algorithm *could* be RSA for all we know, which we believe to be secure. They have a much better reason to classify the algorithm than to protect its security. They want to protect its market share. If they publish the algorithm, then shortly manufacturers would make chips that implement the algorithm and standard but do not use a key stored in escrow. And of course, everybody would buy them. The whole push of this chip is that by establishing a standard that you can only use if you follow their rules, they get us to follow their rules without enacting new laws that we would fight tooth and nail. Quite simply, with Clipper established, it would be much harder for another encryption maker to define a new standard, to make phones that can't talk to the leading phone companies. The result is tappable cryptography without laws forbidding other kinds, for 99% of the populace. To get untappable crypto, you would have to build a special phone that runs on top of this system, and everybody you talk to would have to have an indentical one. That's the chicken and egg of crypto. The government is using its very special ability to solve chicken and egg problems of new technologies to control this one in a way they like. It's almost admirably clever. When the EFF started, I posed the question here ""What are the police going to do when they wake up and discover they can't wiretap?"" and nobody here had an answer (or even thought it was much of a question) Then came the backdoor and Digital Telephony bills, which we fought. Now we have their real answer, the cleverest of all. ",sci.crypt 1937," It's NOT the concrete floor that does it. The problem is that lead-acid cells self discharge over time. Even high quality cells (Gates for instance) will discharge 50-60% over a 3-5 month period of time. Non-sealed cells self discharge even faster. If the battery was not completly charged when left sitting, it probably discharged past the the point where cell sulfiding occurs, which in many cases means a ruined battery.",sci.electronics 1938," Here goes: More than a few years back (if you were born that year, you can legally drink), we tried it out. We found an 8 ft. deep cistern that we lined with some 10 ft. 2X6s. We put a large can (one of those industrial sized pork'n beans cans) stuffed with oily rags and scraps of wood in the bottom. After lighting the fire, we LOWERED a box of .38 Spc. SWCs into the can. We heard pops, one solid bang and several ""fizzzz shussss"". After we thought the excitment was over, we boldly climbed down to find that NONE of the bullets had left the can, several of the shells were lieing around the bottom of the well and the boards had all died of smoke inhalation. And 5 or 6 of the shells still had live primers!",talk.politics.guns 1939,"I UPGRADED MY OLD 386 WITH 486DX-50 LOCAL BUS MOTHERBOARD TWO MONTH AGO AND WITH IT I BOUGHT A CONTROLLER CARD LOCAL BUS AND A GRAFIC CARD DIAMOND STEALTH VLB. BUT WHEN I TRY TO PUT MY NEW GRAFIC CARD AND MY NEW CONTROLLER TOGETHER MY SYSTEM DON'T WANT TO BOOT UP; IT STOP AFTER CONTROLLER CARD CHECKING. I HAVE TRY TO CHANGE MY AMI-BIOS SETUP BUT NOTHING WORKS. JUST ONE THING WHEN I DISABLE MY ROM-BIOS ADRESS ON MY CONTROLLER CARD MY SYSTEM DO ONE MORE STEP: CHECKING ALL SYSTEM AND CACHE MEMORY BUT NOTHING MORE. THANKS FOR ANSWER. CHROBERT ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1940,"If anyone has any information on this deficiency I would very greatly appreciate a response here or preferably by Email. All I know at this point is a deficiency can cause myoglobin to be released, and in times of stress and high ambient temperature could cause renal failure. x ",sci.med 1941,"In fact, I'm looking for a possibility to connect different peaces of information (like in the windows help system). And no, I don't want to program such a system by myself. The necessary effort and afford should be as small as possible.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1942," Tell that to the people who run the 10-meter Keck telescope, or the astronomers and engineers working on the Gemini twin 8-meter telescope project. It took 7 years to build Keck I and now they are building Keck II. According to the December 1992 Sky & Telescope, ""This second 10-meter eye will convert the facility into a binocular telescope with double the light-gathering power and the ability to resolve the headlights of a car some 25,000 kilometers away."" Japan's 8.3-meter Subaru telescope will soon join Keck on Mauna Kea. All these telescopes will work in the infrared, yes, but they are _visible light_ telescopes! And haven't you heard anything about adaptive optics? A lot of research was done with ""Star Wars"" funding, and some is now being shared with astronomers. This shows great promise. Soon, probably within a few years, even the largest telescopes will be able to resolve to their theoretical limit _despite_ the distortions of the atmosphere. To say that ""visible light astronomy is already a dying field"" is pure hokum. To use the ""logic"" that things are already bad, so it doesn't matter if it gets worse is absurd. Maybe common sense and logic are the dying fields. George Krumins",sci.space 1943," [...] The House Document Room can be reached at +1 202 225 3456. You need to have the number of the document you want (e.g. HR1036) and they'll be happy to send it to you. Tell them if it's going to be a big stack, because the surly sounding guy who answers is scrawling in a really awful hand on the back of the envelope that will come and will run out of room quickly if you don't tell him. The Senate document room is too important to deal with the likes of you and I, and will answer requests from off the hill only by mail. ",talk.politics.guns 1944," (much mindless drivel deleted) Question to you Canadian folk: is this University of New Brunswick a branch campus of the Western Business School? Seems like the same sort of rectal appendage belongs to both of them.",rec.sport.hockey 1945," Now to make it perfect apple ought to run right out and license the voice of a certain Mrs. Roddenberry for the speech synthesizer....",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1946,"NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT KIND OF HAPPY GRASS YOU ARE SMOKING? MAYBE YOU SHOULD SHARE SOME WITH ME. FIRST OF ALL, LOU GEHRIG IS THE GREATEST FIRST BASEMAN EVER. JIMMIE FOXX IS CLEARLY THE NEXT BEST FIRST BASEMAN EVER. HE COULD BE THE GREATEST FIRST BASEMAN OF THE YANKEES IN THE MODERN ERA. TO PUT HIM IN THIS ""BEST IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL"" IS QUITE HUMOROUS, VERY SILLY, AND TOTALLY OFF THE LINE. ",rec.sport.baseball 1947," I'll pick up that PM and have a look -- maybe the picture in there is not the actual car, but a prototype? I saw the Mach III and was not all that impressed -- it looked WAY too Japanese for me... the tear drop headlights reminded me of a Nissan NX... Glad I didn't hold out for the '94 and bought a '93. Maybe they'll work on the design a little bit, listen to consumers and come out with nice-looking '95 or '96. It always takes a while to work out the kinks in a new design, e.g. the F-body Camaro/Firebirds (btw, the new Camaros look like shit too). -- Keath Milligan, Software Engineer, VideoTelecom Corporation, Austin, Texas jkm@vtel.com, reaper@wixer.bga.com",rec.autos 1948,,None 1949," You don't know much about the fall of Diem's government in Vietnam. Or the traditional Indian practice of Suttee. People have been burning themselves to death (or willing to go through such and end) for political and religious reasons since the beginning of time. Also, death from smoke inhalation is little better than dying from the flames themselves. Think about breatning in searing toxic gasses. It's not pleasant. Then again, to a Buddhist monk, it might be. To each his own. I'm waiting to see what the government has, too. _____ _____ \\\\\\/ ___/___________________ Mitchell S Todd \\\\/ / _____/__________________________ ________________ \\/ / mst4298@zeus._____/.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'_'_'_/ \_____ \__ / / tamu.edu _____/.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'_'_/ \__________\__ / / _____/_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_'_/ \_ / /__________/ \/____/\\\\\\ \\\\\\",talk.politics.misc 1950," Even if they did, a globe at a scale that you could fit into your average room or even average ""hall"" the deviations you mention would not be visually evident. In other words a micrometer would be required to test the fact that the Globe was infact pear-shaped. Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@psy.uwa.oz.au] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3272). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth [32S, 116E]--> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp ***",sci.space 1951,"CALL FOR PAPERS =============== Progress In Neural Networks Special Volume on Shape Analysis Omid M. Omidvar Minsoo Suk Series Editor Volume Editor Significant progress has been made recently in shape analysis using neural networks and the energy minimization concept. Ablex Publishing Corporation is planning a special volume on ""Shape Analysis"", scheduled for this year. This volume will be a part of ""Progress in Neural Networks,"" an annual book series reviewing research in modelling, analysis, design and application of neural networks. The primary aim of this volume is to present, in a single volume, the most important achievements made on this important topic, which are otherwise scattered in diverse literature. Authors are invited to submit original manuscripts detailing recent progress. Suggested topics include, but are not limited to: shape modelling, shape estimation, shape recovery, shape representation, shape matching, surface reconstruction and surface decomposition. Research work utilizing neural networks directly or based on energy minimization techniques such as Markov random field, mean field annealing, simulated annealing, graduated non-convexity algorithms and resistive networks are most welcome. The paper should be tutorial in nature, self contained and preferably, but not necessarily, about fifty double spaced pages in length. Please send electronically (if you prefer, you can send a hardcopy to the address below) an abstract and an outline to msuk@ima.enst.fr by May 30, 1993. The full paper must be submitted by July 31, 1993 to: Europe USA",comp.graphics 1952," There are two approaches: 1. If your power cord is the kind that detaches from the back of the monitor (most common) you can get a *replacement* power cord that will go from the monitor to the back of the computer. 2. You can get an adpater that connects to the plug end of the existing power cord and provides the proper end that plugs into the back of the computer.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1953," Yeh. Be tough to pick up UK Telly in your situation:-} No signs of Type 259 ads in TV in the states yet, but I don't watch much, so I'm not in a real position to comment. BUT! I got my invite to the dealer introduction ""On the deck out back"". RSVP is on the way!!!!!! tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil",rec.motorcycles 1954," -jeremy Are you talking about a single BATSE component, or the whole thing? You *could* propose a BATSE probe; launch two or three with ion drive on various planetary trajectories... your resolution increaces the more they're spaced apart. You could probably cheaply eject them from the solar system with enough flybys and patience. Things would start out slow, then slowly get better and better resolution...",sci.space 1955," OK, I heard a lot of talk about the NSA's infamous control over encryption export through the ITAR. Here's a question. Say I develop this great new encryption system, and I want to sell my software worldwide. The thought police then come in and say ""This algorithm is a threat to national security. You will not be permitted to export it."" At this point, what kind of trouble could I get into if I ignored the ITAR and sold my program to international customers anyway? First of all, it's not the thought police, it's the export police. If you move overseas with your great thoughts in your head, write the software there, and then sell it, the US Thought Police probably can't do too much about it, though you might want to check with your lawyer first. However, if you write the program here, and sell it to furriners, you are now an international arms dealer and can get thrown in the clink for *many* years, especially if they decide you'd be a good example, and Cuban Drug Dealers and Fanatic Middle Eastern Terrorists buy your stuff. (Definitions of ""public domain"" are different for ITAR purposes, so if you've got a good enough lawyer who'll do your case for free after they've confiscated everything you own as evidence, you might win. But nobody wants to go first, since the stakes are _quite_ high.)",sci.crypt 1956," This has to be a dictionary attack. No other attack makes sense. This means that whoever encrypted the file just typed some password which was a single dictionary word, and then Russell tried all the words in the dictionary. This isn't too implausible, especially if he was smart and clipped the first plaintext block off the ciphertext (if the first block doesn't decrypt then obviously the others won't either). Assuming one attempt a second, it takes seven hours to try all the words in /usr/dict/words. Not real tough. If you want DES to be secure, you have to use RANDOM KEYS. You can't just type your wife's name and think ""aha they'll never guess that one!"" -- Daniel F. Boyd -- boyd@cs.buffalo.edu ",sci.crypt 1957,"So THAT'S what happened to Denny McLain. Sad. For those of you who are interested, another baseball pariah, Pete Rose, has a weekday radio show on the Sports and Entertainment national radio network. I think it's 3-5 PM locally, 6-8 PM on the East coast. And actually, his on-air monologues about the baseball business sounds a lot more reasonable and articulate than what I hear from the Ray Knights of the world. -- Greg ""Mockingbird"" Franklin ""Interracial mixing encompasses a lot lot more f67709907@ccit.arizona.edu than mingling between G7 races."" -- robohen",rec.sport.baseball 1958,"I have the following IBM hardware forsale ATI VgaWonderXl24 - This is a great card, it supports 1024x768 256 colors, 800x600 32k colors, and 640x480 16 million colors. I found that it also speed up windows considerably. I'm asking $100 o.b.o. for this card. I also have 2 2400 baud modems. I have Docs for both but I don't have the original boxes. Both work fine and I'd like to get $25 each or $40 for both.",misc.forsale 1959,,None 1960,"# # > Dear Mr. Beyer: # > # > It is never wise to confuse ""freedom of speech"" with ""freedom"" # > of racism and violent deragatory."" # > # > It is unfortunate that many fail to understand this crucial # > distinction. # # In fact, if a speach was not offensive to some, its # protection under Freedom of speach laws would be useless. It is # speach that some find questionable that must be protected, be # it religiously blasphemous or inherently racist. It is only # through civilized discourse and not scare tactics that one can # enlighten those that one perceives to be ignorant. That is the # idea behind freedom of expression. # What you find offensive might be perceived as truth by # some and what they might find offensive might be your belief. # It is only through free exchange of ideas (and insults as the # case seems to be with this channel) that one can change # another's erring ways.That is why Jefferson said that here # we are not afraid to ""tolerate error so long as reason is left to # combat it"". Does this mean that YOU are volunteering to wade through the Mutlu/Argic deluge that comes in every day? Some of us are tired of being dragged into content-free pissing contests with reflexive bigots. We INTENSELY dislike being stuck between letting this crap pass without comment as though it were unremarkable and replying to it and getting sucked in again. Let's keep some perspective here. IMHO, the Josh's policy of forwarding the garbage in question, without comment, to the relevant sysadmin strikes a good balance. The stuff was, after all, PUBLISHED on a public forum -- from that very site, yet. Hardly a matter of confidentiality or copyright. If the local administration wants to do something about it, they have that right. If not, nobody's twisting their arms.",talk.politics.mideast 1961," Does this need to have anything to do with disk compression? I have experienced the same thing a couple of times myself, but *without* any disk compression stuff installed. (For example, guess what happened when Norton SpeedDisk once crashed during defragmenting!) Bjorn- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Bjorn Myrland * bjorn.myrland@sipaa.sintef.no SINTEF Safety and Reliability * N-7034 Trondheim, NORWAY",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1962," I got mine for about 7 bucks at Radio Shack. The instructions DO say to expose it to light for a while, but mine doesn't seem to require very much to make it work. I just wish I could get a big sheet of the stuff, abouit 12"" x 12"" for a reasonable price.....it isn't cheap, from what I've seen.",sci.electronics 1963," You, along with Mario Lemieux, must be from another planet. The only difference is that Lemieux comes from the one with Geo. Washington, Abe Lincoln (and many other great men and women of this world) whereas you come from the one with David Koresh. Yeah, Mario is good at drawing penalties, but wouldn't you try do something (you do claim to play) to give your team an advantage? I don't remember Lemieux getting any diving penalties this year, whereas many others did. Finally, Mario has NEVER complained about being hit. He knows it's part of the game; he gets back by dishing out an even bigger hit to the same guy or just scoring a few goals (or setting them up.) Don't you have any compassion for a man who has gone through so much in his life?",rec.sport.hockey 1964,"This inelegant device started life as a 175 watt security lamp, until i smashed off the outer glass to liberate the nasty rays, It works a treat, weighs a heap (due to the ballast) , and NO - i wont ship it !! cheers Mike. ",sci.electronics 1965,"** I am posting this for a friend ** ** please respond to vaughn%sonatech@hub.ucsb.edu ** I'm working on an application where we are creating a dither pattern and rendering it in a window by applying it to the stipple pattern of the GC. The following code segment almost works if the window width is an even multiple of 8. If it is not an even multiple it skews the pattern towards the right. Another problem, whether it is an even multiple of 8 or not, is a series of vertical lines spaced 8 pixels apart. extern Display *dpy; extern Window xid; extern GC gc; extern int Max_X, Max_Y; /* set in resize handler */ dither(pixels) char *pixels; /* dither pattern data */ { char *bm; /* bitmap data */ char *bmp; long I, arraymax; arraymax = Max_X*Max_Y; bm = (char *)malloc(arraymax); bmp = bm; for (I=j=0; I 7) { bmp++; j = 0; } } stipple = XCreateBitmapFromData(dpy, xid, bm, Max_X, Max_Y); free(bm); XClearWindow(dpy, xid); XSetStipple(dpy, gc, stipple); XSetFillStyle(dpy, gc, FillStippled); XFillRectangle(dpy, xid, gc, 0, 0, Max_X, Max_Y); XSetFillStyle(dpy, gc, FillSolid); } I suspect the answer is to pad the data. ",comp.windows.x 1966," This is actually more like the stuff from Phase A and MOL....Phase B ended with a ""Power Tower"" approach....",sci.space 1967," gimme a break! you KNOW chevy'd screw that up just like that almost great truck with the ""big phat 454"". Have you ever seen the mufflers on that thing??it's amazing it moves....(which isn't to say it's not a good idea, but i'm quite sure chevy'd screw it up the same way)",rec.autos 1968," [Some discussion about whether Elias is money grubbing deleted] Some thoughts and facts, 1.) Bill James is a partial owner of STATS, inc. However he has almost nothing to do with the day-to-day operations of the company, although he does have significant input into the design of the books that bear his name. (The handbook, but not the scoreboard). To the best of my knowledge, the only things that Bill actually writes for STATS are the predictions section of the handbook, and the Bill James Fantasy Baseball rulebook. 2.) The debate over Elias goes way back. Bill James' early stuff was hampered by the fact that Elias would not give access to their stats at any price. Project Scoresheet, and later, STATS were founded to fill this void. You can call STATS, and ask them for a report on just about anything in their database, and they will provide it -- for a price, of course. Or you could just log into their online system and look at the data yourself. Having attempted to pry numbers from Elias in the past (football, not baseball), they just don't do that. In STATS eyes, the high ground comes from making the information available at all. 3.) That being said, I'm pretty dissapointed by Bill's book this year, too. I am given to understant that it was mostly a response to the publishers desire to have the book come out sooner than April. Hope this makes things just a little bit clearer. (Bias alert. I am a former part-time employee of STATS.)",rec.sport.baseball 1969," So, who is Mykotronx, Inc.? It would be nice to know that they were not a front company used by an intelligence or other agency of the U.S. government. Trusting the fox to guard the chickens, and all that. Seems suspicious when the rest of the sources are foxes. While we are at it, the chip design(s) should be examined and verified against silicon to insure no trap doors or hidden protocols exist in silicon, regardless of the security level of the encryption algorithm. It would be a shame if some three letter agency had the ability to interrogate my chip, when all I'd know is that someone rang, and when I attempted to go off hook the line went dead. Could be even worse if the chip were intended to connect directly to a modem. The design examination should be done to the gate level. Does anyone have a good idea how to tell if there is a piggyback design on silicon? The model would be extra logic sharing pins with the advertised function. Tip offs would be circuitry that would ignore incoming data if formats or sequence is not right. I can think of only two ways an output pin could be used, and its possible that might be noticed, but could be edited from the netlist. I think the silicon itself needs to be investigated. Imagine a design done in two layer metalization, yet finding a third layer under the microscope. ",sci.crypt 1970,"I am working with 24 bit RGB BMP files and need to comvert these to 15 and 16 bit images. How do convert 24 bit images to 15 and 16 bit RGB images? Thanks! ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1971,"I need to be able to cause a beep, but without using any interrupt routines, as I cannot use the BIOS. I believe that the PIC might have something to do with it, but I'm having troubles deciphering the information I have on it to figure out how to program it! I'm programming all of this in Turbo C, if that makes any diference at all... Please can anyone help me??! Thanks,",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1972," Just taking a guess, perhaps it was that Koresh had peaceably been served with warrants before, and he did not shoot anyone but instead went with the police without fighting. -- ""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)",talk.religion.misc 1973," Very good point. Is there someone out there that is working on this? I'd offer my time to help manage/do it all myself but yaw'll are not going to hear from me over the summer. I'm not trying to be pushy, and there is being progress made (re: pov mailing list). -hed ",comp.graphics 1974," I know you work at sun, but that's really no reason not to like fast computers. I suspect a conspiracy here. Are you trying to drag Intel through the mud at a con or something? I really wish you guys would make your own computers faster instead of degrading others'. Why don't you go straight for the top and run a pentium at 0.7 MHz while you're at it? Seriously though; Why in the bleeding hell do you want a 386/40 to run at 25MHz????????????? (Insert smiley where appropriate) MAIL-mail: gunnarh@sofus.dhhalden.no SNAIL-mail: Gunnar Horrigmo gunnarh@fenris.dhhalden.no Oskleiva 17 N-1772 Norway",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1975," Ok, I have a question... why? Why do people copy the article, and the only new thing they add to the post is there name? I'm not picking on this person, I've seen a few of these. Is it just a mistake? Am I missing something? Is it some unknown net-equette I missed somewhere? I skip over all the quoted material, since I've already read it, and look for the non-quoted material, and all I get is the name addition. Is this supposed to me ""I agree"", or ""I second this"" or what? Sorry...",comp.sys.mac.hardware 1976," Wow! You really know how to hurt a guy. Guess I shouldn't bother watching any more games. It's already been decided. :^) luigi ",rec.sport.baseball 1977," What I saw on TV and what you claim are two different things. The Davidians did not start shooting until after the BATF lobbed a couple genades in the windows and started shooting themselves. EASY! If you see federal agents in body armor with sub machine guns going in throught windows, that is a No-Knock warrant. Also since the videotape shows the BATF throwing grenades before the BD's etunred fire, you can safely assume that they didn't ring the doorbell. P.Vasilion,",talk.politics.misc 1978,"Howdy, Netlanders: Can you put an ISA card into an EISA slot? Also, can you put a 8-bit PC card in an ISA slot? Please e-mail if possible, Thanks ahead of time,",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1979,"Argh. This is what I get for acknowledging David Sternlight's existence. Okay, it looks like I am going to have to do the history lesson after all. During the Vietnam war, there were a great many citizens opposed to it who considered themselves perfectly law abiding, although Mr. Nixon and his lackeys thought otherwise. The Federal government had no compunction about adding ""people who are otherwise decent, law abiding and upstanding, but disagree with us"" to your nice little list. Do you think this could never happen again? Note that I am not speculating about what the government could do, but discussing the sort of ""observation"" - including but not limited to phone tapping - that the government put its citizens under during a time of national tension. Your naivete is still appalling, BTW. I mean, read what you posted again. How are we to differentiate between Good People and Bad People? Answer: A priori, we can't; we have to assume. Now, which way do we assume? Do we assume a priori that a citizen is law-abiding, or rather a potential CommunistDrugLordChildAbuserCultMessiah? One of the things that's supposedly great about America is the freedoms enjoyed by citizens who are presumed to be law-abiding until proven otherwise. -- ",sci.crypt 1980,"Are there any Off-Line mail readers for the net-news? In qwk format? It would be really helpfull to be able to download the net news from a Vax or mainframe and read it off-line..... Adam Hodge",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1981,"OK... quick scenario... you're at home, not bothering anybody... next thing you know, somebody comes crashing in the upstairs window and you hear an explosion. You see that this individual has a submachinegun, and that more similarly armed individuals are rushing your front door. Will you a) defend yourself and family against this attack b) realize ""oh, only the BATF would enter like that, so I better surrender"" or c) roll over and let whoever is attacking your home do what they would like? You have chosen a), and discover that the people you defended yourself against are federal agents, who now are camped outside your door waiting for you to surrender. You have learned that they intend to charge you with murder, and are further defaming your name, while claiming that you can safely surrender at any time. Then they start using psychological warfare techniques against you, while still claiming that you can safely give up and will receive a fair trial. Some weeks into this standoff, you are still holding out, when they begin a new ploy to induce your surrender, namely using tear gas to annoy you, and ramming your home with tanks. Yet they claim that you can safely surrender at any time. While you patiently wait out this latest round of attacks, your house catches fire and the bales of hay you were using as cover spread the fire rapidly through the house, and you try to escape through the fortifications you had raised for your own defense and the rubble created by the tanks. Only 9 of your followers make it. I am not claiming that the above scenario is accurate. I am disagreeing with the notion that it is their own fault for dying because they refused to surrender to agents of the Federal government after another federal agency committed an armed assault of their home on the basis of a flimsily concocted search warrant. Look at how the Texas Rangers view the BATF. Look at the FBI statements regarding the BATF actions. From all apparent sources, the FBI blundered trying to clean up the mess made by the BATF, resulting in an accidental fire which killed most of the BD's who were still in the compound, and are now playing CYA. The BATF committed an illegal assault, obtained the use of Texas NG resources with fabricated allegations, and compounded their abuses by accusing the BD's of crimes outside their jurisdiction once they had been held off in their assault. ",talk.politics.guns 1982,"Well, here goes. After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce myself. Yes, I'm the enemy. The enemy that also happens to ride an ""arrest me red"" 90 VFR. Bike history: (as if this endears me to the DoD) 79 Honda XL 175 ""High School"" 85 Kawasaki KLR 600 84 Honda V65 Sabre ""Cornering by Committee"" 88 Honda Hawk GT ""Proctologists' designed this bike"" 90 VFR I'll entertain questions but my answers will reflect Georgia law and may not apply in your state. P.S. Anyone got a Nomex suit for sale?",rec.motorcycles 1983," I remember reading an article in Reader's digest many moons ago about a similar incident. During a minor leaque game a player neck was cut when the opponent he was back-checking tripped and his skakes flew up. In this case the victim's mask proved a hinderance since his face was protected and so he didn't bother with the usually instinctive reaction to protect his face/neck. A quick thinking coach saved his life by applying direct pressure and using snow to contract the blood vessels (from what I can remember).",rec.sport.hockey 1984," As she said, the letter is addressed to Bettman. The post (which, though having pretty much the same content, is an entirely different entity) was addressed to all. When she puts the letter in the mail I doubt it will say ""To: All"". I figure she wanted to let people here see what was in it since it is a topic that interests a lot of folks here. That's an entirely different purpose than sending the letter to Bettman. Unfortunately... The ""largest computer networks in the world"" phrase is a definition of the Internet, not a group as a whole that she claims to represent. As for the business of whether or not it is large, it is large compared to say, the number of folks on r.s.h. who are sending a letter to thank him for changing the names, at least to this point. And just for my own curiosity I thought I'd look up the ""official"" definition of large in the dictionary. It reads: large - 1. having more than usual power, capacity, or scope. 2. exceeding most other things of like kind in quantity or size. Now I have no idea how many letters Bettman may have gotten on the issue or how many people may have signed them. 65 people may be up there, thereby validating definition 2. I would also wager that the geographical range of signatures is quite large, which would give it a large scope. Why would he be impressed with this unless it were ""large""? I am of course assuming that you actually agree with what you are writing and are not simply trying to be a pain about the whole issue to hear yourself speak. I personally don't know whether or not I agree with the letter. I have very mixed emotions about it. I like the names as they are, and don't think they make it that difficult to learn the game, but there might be a shred of validity to the change. ",rec.sport.hockey 1985," This comes up periodically, and I just don't get it. Take, for example, Mark McGwire. He walked 90 times in 1993. If that's not a potential great example of what you're talking about then I don't know what is. Now let's look at what happens when McGwire doesn't walk: 75% of the time he made an out. 10% of the time he hit a single. 5% of the time he hit a double. 10% of the time he hit a homer. Now, you're pitching against McGwire. Would you trade 20 walks for 2 homers, 1 double, 2 singles, and 15 outs? I would. Why give him the base when you can get him out 3 times out of 4? Then there are guys like Alex Cole, who has a career .363 OBP even though he's never had a batting average over .300 (he did hit .300 in 227 AB in 1990) or hit a single home run. Yep, that's right, he's *never* hit a homer in 916 AB's through the end of 1992. Who'd be afraid to throw a strike to him? Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com",rec.sport.baseball 1986,"For Sale: 24 Pin Printer - ALPS Allegra 24 Asking Price: $150 shipped prepaid (C.O.D. orders pay C.O.D. shipping). Features: Straight paper path (won't jam). Paper saving tear-off capability (no need to waste a sheet to get a current printout). Programmable preferences (you don't even need a computer) Letter Quality 360dpi output Epson LQ2500 emulation built-in Card slot for additional memory / font upgrades Printer ribbons easily found (there are three or four sources for ALPs ribbons in every Computer Shopper). Fast 180 CPS output This printer has not even been used in the last two years (three years old) because I have a laser printer at work and use that instead. Originally $399. I'll even throw in two ribbons (may need simple reinkings tho). Adisak Pochanayon 2525 University Avenue Apartment J Madison, WI 53705 (608) 238-2463 ---------------------------------- CUT HERE ---------------------------------- Jeez!!! It never fails, get in the tub and there's a rub at the lamp! -- The Genie from Aladdin. pochanay@cae.wisc.edu eddie (Adisak) Pochanayon Check out all of SilverFox SoftWare's Releases.... your Amiga entertainment.",misc.forsale 1987,"""The Villager-Quest seem like the best of the Cravan/Voyager copies to come along since the Mazda MPV."" I'll agree about villager but not MPV -- it's so small that I'd class it as a SUV with an extra seat shoehorned in. To get any rear cargo space, you shove the back seat up against the middle seat, eliminating *all* leg room. Back to the Villager ... ""Only the price is controversial."" And the use of attack belts instead of 3-point belts. That killed it for me.",rec.autos 1988," In the part of the posting you have so helpfully deleted, I pointed out that they used the wording from the English Bill of Rights apparently *changing* what they understood by it, and I asked why then should we, two hundred years later, be bound by what Keith Allan Schneider *thinks* they understood by it. So one cannot say ""a cruel fate""? Your prevarications are getting increasingly unconvincing, I think.",alt.atheism 1989," Especially the '68 Shelby-American GT-500KR (King of the Road, so named to steal GM's planned Camaro King of the Road's thunder :-) Some GT-40s are street legal, some aren't. I found my Shelby-American guide. There were a grand total 126 GT-40s built: GT-40 Coupes 55 GT-40 Road Cars 31 GT-40 Mk II 13 GT-40 Mk IIIs 7 GT-40 Roadsters 5 Mirages 3 GT-40 Mk IVs 12 TOTAL: 126 Additional uncompleted Mk IIIs 6-12 Twelve of these cars were prototypes; 48 racing coupes; 31 road coupes; eight Mk II coupes; 4 LHD Mk IIIs; and 3 RHD Mk IIIs. The other breakdowns follow the above list (eg, 12 were Mk IVs). The LHD/RHD breakdown is only given on the Mk IIIs. The prices (for those which can be bought) are around the $1 Million mark, last I heard, with a projection of some $3.5 Million (or thereabouts) in 2000. It was second only to some penny-ante Ferarri ;-). Shelby won the FIA World Manufacturer's Cup with his Cobras in '65; that was also the year that he retired them from the Shelby-American racing team (in favor of the Ford GT program the next year). That victory broke a 13(?) year Ferarri winning streak. Well, there's lotsa info I could spout, but I'll refrain. Much of this information comes from ""Hot Rod"" magazine's ""Shelby American Cobra/Mustang Guide,"" which has more info on the Shelby-American Fords than you could _ever_ want to know. James",rec.autos 1990,"Does anyone have the player stats for games played up until April 22,1993.",rec.sport.hockey 1991,"In a post of 29 April (?), considering disasters as instances of the judgements of God in history, Andy Byler spoke of > the desire of the Jerusalem mob who crucified the Lord that > ""His blood be upon us."" Vera Noyes replied (02 May), > I will not comment here for fear of being heavily flamed. I invite them both (and other interested parties as well) to read my comments on this verse of Scripture. To obtain them, send the message GET CHOOSING BARABBAS to LISTSERV@ASUACAD.BITNET or to LISTSERV@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU. Putting it briefly, I think that the significance of the demands of the Jerusalem crowd has usually been greatly misunderstood, both by Christian and by anti-Christian readers. Yours, James Kiefer",soc.religion.christian 1992," I own a PC FanCard II, which is a slightly different beast. It's a long card that plugs into an 8 or 16 bit slot and contains two muffin fans. It requires no extra cabling. I had a 286 that was experiencing some problems due to heat. The FanCard made the system run cool enough so that the problem no longer appears. It's supposed to keep the internal temperature in the range of 75-95 degrees Fahrenheit. According to the maker's (M.S. Tech) advertisements, the US Army used a bunch of these to keep their PCs running (w/o a/c) in Desert Storm. I can't vouch for that. However, I am a satisfied customer. And I have no other connection with the maker or the mail-order house (Lyben (313) 268-8100). Hope this helps,",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 1993," Or how about: ""End light pollution now!!"" Your banner would have no effect on its subject, but my banner would. ",None 1994,"Everyone is complaining about the debacle in Waco. It is hard to understand all this angst. What happend there is nothing less than what we wanted to happen. Why all the sour grapes ? BATF was looking for a propaganda event to counteract their impending budget cuts ... the attendance of the press at the initial big commando raid is proof. It would have been ever so easier to grab Koresh and his central followers as they shopped in Waco. Alas, no propaganda value there. The FBI screwed-up big time, all the time. They should have never allowed the situation to drag out like that. A quick second assault, before the BDs could decide on a strategy, would have been the better plan. The BDs themselves were the biggest screw-ups though. They imagined that US law and US law-enforcement had no jurisdiction within their little 'country'. WRONG ! They had no right whatsoever to fire on the BATF, and if they mistook their identity initially, they should have surrendered at once when they did realize who they were. If the BDs had a problem with the warrants, they take it to court, just like the rest of us. If they wanted full-auto weapons, they could have obtained the proper permits, just like the rest of us would need to do. What they may NOT do is decide for themselves what US law applies to themselves and which does not. They get their chance like the rest of us - at the voting booth. If the BATF and FBI have become latter-day Gestapo, then they have become that way because WE have desired them to be so. We get to vote on laws, and on the lawmakers. By our choices over the years, we have approved the creation and form of the BATF and FBI. When the FBI was out chasing 'pinkos', the general public didn't seem to mind a bit of extra-constitutional activity. When the BATF is raiding militant black organizations, we don't mind the heavy hand. When the FBI is dicking around with the rights of potheads, the public doesn't mind. Suddenly, when we see a bit of ourselves in the current 'enemy' choosen by these agencies, we get all bent out of shape. SUPRISE ! You reap what you sow. Waco was an encapsulation of the All-American experience - religious fanaticism, militaristic thinking and overwhelming violence. Don't blame it on 'them', the FBI and BATF. They were just acting within the parameters we have set over the years. We made 'them'. We ARE 'them'.",talk.politics.guns 1995," That's kind of extra work that one cannot expect the store people to do. IMHO it would be easier if companies sell their software as cheaply as possible AND to sell the customers detail manuals (for the brain-deads) , quick reference books, how to do books and videos, paid support hot line (1-900 :). For the registered purchasers, these can be part of their package. I have seen many books to teach people how to use DOS, WP and other software. I I suspect either users can't read the manuals or they don't have manuals. Either way, there is $$$ to be made. BTW books are quite a bit more expensive to reproduce than a $1 disk. With the popularity of Multitasking and pseudo multitasking systems (eg. OS0.5, Windoze, Mack System 7), it is pretty easy to run a debugger and figure out the protection schemes by disassembling/tracing/trapping the application during run time. Schemes like compressed software/ special loaders would be easy pray even to beginner hackers. Hardware keys (unless well designed and *TOTALLY* transparent) is a pain in the b*t. We having using a piece of software under Windoze that uses a hardware key. The key interfers with the printer stuff with other programs and often has to be unplugged for those software to work properly. All the hacker has to do is to remove/modify code that communicate with the port. ",sci.electronics 1996," First the FBI said they saw two members of the cult start the fire-and the FBI never lies. Second, the first started in opposite ends of the compound at the same time and thirdly, the fire spread too quickly for it not to be help without an accelerate. ",talk.politics.guns 1997," As I've noted, you can likely get around that with a directional sensor. Phased array systems could completely defeat this scheme. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com",sci.crypt 1998,"One can only remap special-command keys in procomm it seems. I would like to remap other keys too - especially ""altgr 2"", and such combinations. Anybody know a plain OR dirty way to do this?? (of cause most people settle for remapping function keys, but I don't see why there should be a limitation...)",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1999,"In-reply-to: johnn@eskimo.com's message of 21 Apr 93 23:03:27 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.sun.hardware Subject: Re: Monitors - Nanao? References: Distribution: --text follows this line-- I have a Nanao 17"" (F560?) on my IPX. I prefer it to my Sun 16"" trinitron at work with all those vertical jitters and the two horizontal shadowmask thingies. I got it from one of the folks advertising in Computer Shopper et al for $1050 plus about $40 shipping. I bought a cable which goes from the Sun's 13W3 connector to the monitors 4xRGBS for about $50 from a Macintosh mailorder shop (Relax Technologies). I'd do it again. Happily. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2000,,None 2001,"hypodermic it. there is me. Looking in The Evolution of Anaesthesia by M.H. Armstrong Davison (pub Williams & Wilkins, Baltimore 1965) I found the following chronology: ""1853. Charles-Gabriel Pravaz (1791-1853), inventor of the galvanocautery, describes a glass syringe with tapered nozzle. This syringe was intended to be used with a special trocar for injecting ferric chloride into aneurysms, and thus to heal them by coagulation. 1853. Alexander Wood (1817-84) of Edinburgh invents the hypodermic needle and adapts Pravaz's syringe for use with it."" You might also be interested to read about the experiments of Sir Christopher Wren in 1656, described by Oldenberg & Clarck in the Philosophical transactions of the Royal Society in 1665. Using a sharpened quill and a pig's bladder he injected opium, wine and beer into the veins of dogs.",sci.med 2002," There is also the question of cause and effect. Lock a mostly straight guy up for 10 years with only guys, ask ten years later if he has ever had sex with a guy. Closing your eyes and pretending its a girl sucking you still counts as sex with a guy on the survey....",talk.politics.misc 2003," [....] Thanks Jon. I had forgotten about the 1912 and 1927 invasions (if I had ever learned of them. I mean I *really* forgot!) But I read the context as more recent, such as when the Sandinistas were expecting an ""imminent"" invasion from the U.S. which never happened. I stand corrected. Thanks. I remembered this one. This one and Bush's invasion were the two I mentioned above. Good ol' Teddy R.-- he knew how to get things done! Regards,",alt.atheism 2004,"A great many computer programmers read ""Dr. Dobb's Journal"". In a recent issue, there was a paragraph in an article that pained me greatly to read. It ""There's nothing wrong if Microsoft setting the standards for the computer industry. The industry NEEDS an IBM for the 90's."" Where has the hacker ethic gone? Not the ""cracker"" ethic, which is something entirely different and bad, but the hacker ethic, which tells us to value the free distribution of information and yield to the hands-on imperative? Why is it that people and corporations like Bill Gates, IBM, and Intel are able to have a virtual dead lock on the computer industry? Why is it that, if a person like myself posts messages to Usenet on how to get into the little nooks, crannies, and idiosyncrasies of a computer system, they are not given any useful information by those who know, just a badmouthing? (or are completely ignored) Why is it that people like Steve Jobs have to abandon their efforts to make truly innovative products? I ask those of you who call yourselves hackers, why is this? And further, how can you let it go on? It is a fact that the computer industry has changed the world, and shall continue to do so for a long time to come. It has allowed the propagation of information in a volume unheard of even twenty years ago, and has made this world even smaller than it was before. I shudder to think what that world will be like if the corporations are allowed to have their way, perpetuating more drivel like the 286, Windows, and the IBM product line on the computer-using public. That is not to say I am against business per se; people who profit off of innovative, intelligent, creative designs do not bother me. In fact, I applaud it; that is the American way. But those who manage to sell kludgy, uncreative systems to the public, and profit off of them, are the ones who are the problem. And, unfortunately, because they have enough money to make up for blunt stupidity, they can keep doing it for a very long time. I put it to you thus: Where HAS the hacker ethic gone? If it still exists, where? And, if it DOES exist, why are those who call themselves ""hackers"" allowing this to perpetuate itself? Why are they not creating new, innovative, interesting ideas to stop the SOS from maintaining its choke hold on the computer industry? I await with interest what will probably be a resounding silence.",comp.graphics 2005,"Has anyone got an active filter design program that runs on an IBM PC ?? Something that will easily let me specify bandpass filter parameters, and it will give me the appropriate component values ?? It has to be public domain, if anyone has one, could you mail it to me. Thanks in advance, Scott u9035710@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au",sci.electronics 2006,"Hi, I'd like to thank you all for the fast responses. Special thanks go to those who replied (lexical order): Marcus J Ranum Paul Crowley pausch@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter) tarnold@vnet.IBM.COM (Todd W. Arnold) wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart) My question was: How much of the DES-encrypted data is affected depends on the used encryption mode. According to Marcus J Ranum (mjr@TIS.COM) there is: Unfortunally, people strongly disagree which mode will lead to destruction of all of the following data. Sure seems that some modes will resync quite fast, others will never, others will even only effect the very block. Summarized, people said concerning *this* matter: / \ Maybe someone *definitely* knows what happens in which mode? Nevertheless, Thank you all very much again. Axel Dunkel -------------------------------------------------------------------- I include the responses I got: From: tarnold@vnet.IBM.COM (Todd W. Arnold) It depends on the mode you're using. For a single 64-bit input block, a one-bit error will have a 50 percent chance of corrupting each of the 64 output bits - in other words, it essentially turns the output block into a random number. If you're encrypting data in CBC mode, however, only the one 64-bit block will be affected. The next block, and all that follow it will be decrypted properly. It's a good idea to have some kind of error correction in your system if corrupted bits are likely. - Todd -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pausch@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter) At least 8 bytes of data will be destroyed if one bit encrypted data is in error. If you use CBC (Cihper Block Chaining), then the remainder of the data will be destroyed as well. DES is VERY seisitive for single bit errors. This is as it should be. -- --- Paul Schlyter, Swedish Amateur Astronomer's Society (SAAF) Nybrogatan 75 A, 6 tr, S-114 40 Stockholm, Sweden InterNet: pausch@saaf.se -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Crowley Probably very bad; you might lose the rest of the data stream. If you want safety against dropped bits use an error correcting coder like the freeware GNU ecc. __ _____ \/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ // /\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com how sensible is DES encrypted data towards bit errors? How much data per bit will be lost in average (I assume you still have the correct key)? It depends on the mode you're using DES in. Electronic Code Book (ECB) takes a block of 64 input bits and produces 64 output bits, so if any bits are changed, the entire block of 64 bits becomes bad. I forget which feedback mode is which. In all of them, the results of encrypting one block affect later blocks. With some modes, the system self-synchronizes, so errors are repaired in a few blocks. With other modes, once one block is bad, all later blocks will be bad too. There's also the framing problem. If you have a bit change, the block that it's in changes, and maybe later blocks also change. But if you have bits lost or bits added (64 bits in, 63 or 65 bits out), everything is confused after that. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcus J Ranum depends on the mode you're using. cfb, for example, synchronises pretty fast. figure a bit error will destroy the current block and the next one. mjr. -------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Experience is what you get if you don't get what you want...",sci.crypt 2007," Sorry, you have a _wish_ for an uncluttered night sky, but it isn't a right. When you get down to it, you actually have no rights that the majority haven't agreed to give you (and them in the process). It's a common misconception that being born somehow endows you with rights to this that and the other. Sadly this is not true. Now if you want to talk about the responsibility that _should_ go with the power to clutter the night sky, then that's a different matter.",sci.space 2008," I would not be too quick to say that they are almost certainly untrue. Even strong minded people may fall back on childhood indoctrination, grasp at straws, or do other strange things when faced with extreme suffering, not to mention physiological problems which may lead to diminished mental capacity. At the risk of restarting an old argument and accusations of appeal to authority I remind readers of what I posted a while back as a kind of obituary for the late atheist Dr. Albert Sabin. In an old interview rebroadcast on public radio just after his death he told about a time a few years before when he was stricken with a very serious illness. He admitted to having cried out to God while critically ill and on a respirator. As it turned out he recovered and lived several more years. After his recovery he attributed this to early indoctrination. Don't say it couldn't happen to you, or that it hasn't happened to others, even if you are one of the few people who have experienced things like this. People are different. I admire Dr. Sabin for admitting his human weakness in that instance. I would not think less of Asimov for similar weakness. Nevertheless I agree that these reports are unsubstantiated and may well be untrue. In any case they are not evidence for anything besides the power of early indoctrination and human frailty.",alt.atheism 2009,"way.qub.ac.uk writes (single angle brackets): ng There is no question of similarity in Jesus indication about John. The passage in Matthew is very direct. Where Luke (1:17) reports the angel Gabriel prophesying that John will go before Christ ""in the power and spirit of Elias"", In Matthew 11: 14, Jesus himself says of John, ""And if you care to accept it, he himself is Elijah, who was to come"". It is interesting that Jesus prepended the words, ""If you care to accept it"", as if to say that the implications of this truth, namely of rein- carnation, I will not force on you, but for those who can accept it, here it is. A Jewish poster to other newsgroups on Jewish esotericism and other topics has outlined the esoteric, cabbalistic Jewish teaching of of reincarnation and Karma, a teaching that is little known among Jews today, but which is apparently widespread enough in Israel that Hannah Hurnard (""Hinds Feet on High Places"") was told about it by a Rabbi she was trying to convert back in the 1940s as a missionary in Palestine. Thus there may well have been a small number of Jews who knew about this, whereas the large number of people did not. The statement of Jesus about John, the greatest human personality in the New Testament, is guarded but nevertheless quite direct. Again, the subject of reincarnation, one way or another, is not a subject of the New Testament, nor is the fate in general of the human being between death and the last judgement. But there are occasional indications that point to it. As for the ""popular belief"" that Elijah would come again, it was more than a popular belief, as Jesus confirms it in more than one place, and he never corrected those who were expecting Elijah -- for example, those who thought that Jesus himself be he.",soc.religion.christian 2010," John Smoltz, Tom Glavine, German Jiminez, Dale Murphy, Bruce Sutter, Pete Smith, Rick Mahler, Jim Acker, Jim ""Break on Through"" Morrison, Ron Gant, Andres Thomas, Gerald Perry, Ozzie ""The Aeneid"" Virgil, Lonnie Smith, Jerry Royster. How'm I doing so far? NOTE: I am not a Braves fun.n On the other hand, ask any On the other hand , II like the Braves *much* more than the Cubs. And all I can name is Ron Santo, Ernie Banks, and Don Kessinger from 1969, my favorite Cubbie season. Right. I've watched enough Braves' games to know a great deal of their players. I like many of their players. The only Cubs games I get to see while living in New York are those against the Mets, and they put me to sleep because, face it, watching guys like Rick Sutcliffe and Luis Salazar doesn't put me at the edge of my chair.u Actually, I notice a lot of anti-Toronto sentiment here in the States. Partly because of some of that post-Series arrogance (thanks in part to ""Upside-Down Flag"" dork posts), partly because Roberto Alomar is about as exciting as Swiss Cheese, and partly because, living in Baltimore during the winters, I've become so fond of O's fans (especially those who call in to Rex Barney's radio show) that I have to side against their most hated rivals. Sorry, but METS is spelled with an ""M"" and a ""T"".... =) ",rec.sport.baseball 2011,"From 9150618 Thu Apr 29 16:36:43 1993 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 16:36:42 +1000 From: 9150618 (Gavin Fairlamb) To: 9130037 Status: R Hello, folks... I am doing a uni. project and was wondering if you could supply with some specific info. or references for info. regarding 1). Considerations for installation of XWindows in a HP 9000(unknown model) 2). Motif, OPENLOOK, XToolkit???? 3). X11, X11R.... 4). Glossary of any term on X We considering this software for the project which deals in image analysis... Any info. would be greatly appreciated.",comp.windows.x 2012,"The 486 at the same CLOCK is NOT as fast as the 040 at the same clock speed. The '040 also has much better floating point unit. Now the DX2-66 is faster than the '040 at 33Mhz. But for your reference the 486 at 33 mhz gets ~14MIPS while the '040 at 33mhz gets ~20MIPS. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2013," Son of the Return of the ""How much does Americans know about the rest of the word?""-flamewar anyone? -bertil-",sci.electronics 2014," Certainly many religious beliefs seem to be positive principles for everyday living. Indeed, I believe it is the Islamic religion which avoids alcohol (I apologize if I name the wrong religion) and that is certainly a physical positive in many respects. However, this proves nothing. Just because something is a ""basic, pragmatic principle of day-to-day living"" TODAY doesn't mean it evolved from the same. Especially those beliefs and (mostly) positions held based on interpretations of the religion. Religious beliefs come from many places but most will be backed up (after many levels of arguments) to ""Because that's how it is written."" or ""God says..."" Now I'm not faulting that but that is not a basic, pragmatic principle as you mean it in this context. It is a belief based on faith, which by definition is not necessarily backed up by logic. Faith is a given. God is a absolute truth when arguing from religion. Also, many religions would reject your thesis that their beliefs simply come from these day-to-day principles. In summation, if you wish to use religious arguments be prepared to back them up with ""It says in the [fill in religious document here],"" because most religions (things which at least I denote as religions) are based on the writings of or teachings of [fill in religious figure here]. NOTE: Religion is a charged topic and if I offended anyone regarding my references to God, I apologize. Please insert your own sensible references, the argument should apply to nearly all religions.",talk.politics.misc 2015," Try this one on for size. I'd rather not post her name, but if you email me, I'll tell you who she is. 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",talk.politics.misc 2465," I have several questions: 1) What do I gain with this new BIOS? 2) How can I save a copy of my old BIOS in case I want to go back? 3) How do I install the new BIOS? I'd like to enjoy, but need answers first. Thanks -- ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2466,"Two Jack LaLlane GOLD memberships are for sale by the owners. Asking for $600 for each membership. Please contact Padma & Srini at (908) 855-8865 for details.",misc.forsale 2467,"Does anyone know if either theophylline or ephedrine, or the two in combination, can reduce the body's ability to make use of available water? I had kind of an odd experience on a group hike recently, becoming dehyrated after about 9 hours of rigorous hiking despite having brought 1 1/2 gallons of water (c. 6 liters). I drank close to twice as much as anyone else, and no one else was dehydrated. I don't think general physical condition was an issue, since I was in at least the middle of the pack in terms of general stamina, so far as I could tell.",sci.med 2468,"Hello, I've been following discussions on 17"" monitors in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware and noted that the Nanao seems to get very good reviews. I'm interested in getting more information about Nanao's products as well as some others that may fit the bill. I would like a monitor that can handle high resolutions like 1024x1024 NI. I'm envisioning using this monitor on an Amiga 4000 or Amiga 2000 w/a graphics board like the Retina, and/or on a Sun like the SPARCstation LX. Basically I want a high resolution versital monitor. This monitor need not be large (=>17"") if it meets the brief requirements as outlined above. I've been very happy with a 16"" on Suns and could probably cope with smaller at home. I'm interested if anyone has more details on high quality Sony and Hitatchi monitors since they seem to be used on Sun's fairly often and look pretty good (to me at least). I haven't seem them brought up in c.s.i.p.h very often as are Mag and Viewsonic. Ok, stuff I'd like to find out: How can I get ahold of Nanao? What are the products in their line? What are the technical specs? Esp. what scan freq and max resolutions can they handle? What's list and street cost - if avail. from a third party, and where can I get ahold of them? Same info for Sony and Hitatchi. Thank you very much!! ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2469," Well, yes. This is the real mystery of the matter, and why I am rather dubious of a lot of the source theories. There are a number of places where the Masoretic Text (MT) of the OT is obscure and presumably corrupted. These are reproduced exactly from copy to copy. The DSS tend to reflect the same ""errors"". This would appear to tell us that, at least from some point, people began to copy the texts very exactingly and mechanically. The problem is, we don't know what they did before that. But it seems as though accurate transmission begins at the point at which the texts are perceived as texts. They may be added to (and in some situations, such as the end of Mark, material is lost), but for the most part there are no substantial changes to the existing text. You're basically trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Some people like to use the game of ""telephone"" as a metaphor for the transmission of the texts. This clearly wrong. The texts are transmitted accurately.",alt.atheism 2470,"Hello, I have a Diamond Stealth VRAM card (the older version with the DIP switches on the back). I have two problems: 1 ) I've lost the manual!!! 2 ) I have it in a machine with a network card, and everything works fine until I run windows, when the network connection dies. (In case it's important, the network card is an SMC ArcNet 8-Bit compatable card. It's I/O address is 02E0 and it's RAM base address is D000. It's also using IRQ 2) I believe there is a file on the Diamond Bboard that explains how to sort this out, but with no manual, I don't know the Bboard number. If you can, please help me with as many of the following as possible: a ) Send me the Diamond BBS number b ) E-mail (or post) the DIP switch settings for the card (or fax them to me at (412) 521-8668) c ) Tell me what I'm doing wrong, so I can magicly get everything working. Any help at all would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance,",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2471,"Hi there, I am here looking for some help. My friend is a interior decor designer. He is from Thailand. He is trying to find some graphics software on PC. Any suggestion on which software to buy,where to buy and how much it costs ? He likes the most sophisticated software(the more features it has,the better)",comp.graphics 2472,"I was wondering if what many of you did to accelerate your IIsi's from 20 MHz to 25 Mhz (and beyond) can be done to a IIci (ie. from 25 MHz to 32-33 Mhz)?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2473,"What is the reason for the push on clipper? Two days after the lead story here in the Mercury Times (murky news) there was another article on industrial espionage by the french. Someone had said what can it hurt to allow the government to have continued access to our communications, they already have it. The problem is that, yes the do have access, and probably more than we realize. The government wants exclusive access to communications intercept here in the united states, cutting out other access detrimental to the national security (tm). I also doubt that a certain3 letter agency, that originated the encryption algorithm and the chip designs needs to have anything to do with the escrow system to continue their intercept effort. ",sci.crypt 2474," I was at that game, behind home plate next to a scout who was manning the radar gun. The 1991 season was winding down and Roger didn't have his best fastball, topping out at 88-90 (in contrast to Frank Tanana, who went as low as 50 with one lollipop in the process of striking out Phil Plantier *five* times on the night). Inky's shot would have gone further than any I've ever seen if it hadn't crashed *into* the lights (not the lightstand) as you say over 100 feet high, Roy Hobbs-like, and bounced back onto the field. That had to have been a 525-footer if unobstructed, edging out Bo Jackson's drive off Oil Can Boyd to the top of the centerfield bleacher back wall in 1988 for the best I've seen personally (I was sitting under that one). --- Glenn Waugaman Digital Equipment Corporation Littleton, MA g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com",rec.sport.baseball 2475," The first step is to make sure that there is no DC component, intentional or not, on the audio lines to be switched. If neither the output or input presents an unintentional DC level (let's say they're capacitively coupled), then putting a 22 K resistor from each input to ground, and from the output to ground is a good precaution against leakage in any coupling caps presenting a DC level that is GUARANTEED to cause a click. If the device presents an unintentional DC level that is from more than just coupling capacitor leakage, then you need to remove the DC before switching with coupling capacitors of your own. If you have more than one relay (each relay switching one input through to a common output), you can use make-before-break switching where for a brief instant both sources are connected during a switch change. This may mask the switch click. An audio switch that is clickless is made by taking a light bulb and making your own ersatz opto-isolator with a light-dependent resistor (LDR) sealed inside a piece of black heatshrink. Many broadcast consoles use this older, but time-honored technique. Claro actually makes a complete optisolator like this, but I don't have a part number handy. Radio Shack has a LDR grab-bag (276-1657) you might want to try. For a simple, solid state clickless switch that is cheap, you might try looking at the CD4066 analog switch that is commonly available (or its older predecessor, the 4016). Again, the DC component must be removed prior to switching. Other alternatives include JFET switches (both discrete and IC) and diode switching (which works relatively well, surprisingly). All the above, with their pitfalls and application tips could easily make a subject for a multi-page article. Solid state switches may induce a click of their own when turned on due to charge being injected into the audio line through device capacitance when the control signal changes state. Techniques to minimize this include lowering the impedance of the signal paths through the switch, differential switching, and slowing the risetime of the control pulse. With the 4016, cutting the click can be as simple as putting 10K - 47K resistors in series with the control pins. Hope this helps at least get you started. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******",sci.electronics 2476,"We where following version of xv and I have been very surprise to discover that the new version is a shareware: What a pitty !!! :-( . What I found on the Inthernet was the freeware. I make myself a freeware and I spent long time on it but I don't plain to make paid to use it. I think if evrybody spent some time to make freeware, evrybody will be paid by the use of other freeware. Here we will stay with XV 2 and drop XV 3. ",comp.windows.x 2477," [Partial deletion] Nice explanation except that it isn't N-hydroxylation that causes the formation of the N-acetyl-p-benzoquinone imine (NAPQI), but rather a direct two-electron oxidation. In addition, there is one school of thought that contends that oxidative stress rather than arylation of protein is the more critical factor in the hapatotoxcity of acetaminophen. As far as drug toxicities go, acetaminophen has and continues to be one of the most intensely scrutinized. An excellent recent review of the topic can be found in: Vermeulen, Bessems and Van de Straat. Molecular Aspects of Paracetamol-induced hepatotoxicity and its Mechanism-Based Prevention. Drug Metabolism Reviews, 24(3) 367- 407 (1992). (Acetaminophen is known as paracetamol in Europe) I couldn't agree with you more about what an awful way to die a toxic dose of acetaminophen causes. I've heard a number of descriptions by physicians associated with poison control centers, and they describe a lingering very painful death. ",sci.med 2478," Hey, Bosio threw a no-no what the hell a Red Sox fan going to say to that. Heck...Remeber Matt Young last year? ICK..",rec.sport.baseball 2479,"[...] Actually, according to the DA information posted by Sherri, Boggs is superior defensively to have. Here's their Defensive Averages for the last five years: [compared to average at 3b, AL] 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 Boggs .643[+2] .659[+47] .550[-54] .653[+33] .634[+32] Hayes ------- .601[-40] .622[+18] .606[-14] .574[-28] If Hayes is a defensive standout at third, he's done a good job in disguising it. To put it another way, compared to an average third baseman last year: Boggs converted 11 more grounders into outs, turned 2 more double plays, and prevented 11 doubles. Hayes let 12 more grounders go by for hits, turned 6 more double plays, and prevented 4 doubles. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic",rec.sport.baseball 2480,"TO: menon@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Ravi or Deantha Menon) RO> First off, use some decent terms if ya don't mind. This is sci.med, not RO> alt.sex. Would you like to rephrase that? ",sci.med 2481,"Can someone who knows what they're talking about add a FAQ entry on gamma correction? Thanks.",comp.graphics 2482,"I friend of mine installed dos6 at work and is hooked up to a Novell network, running Netware 386 v.3.11. The problem he's having is that the doublespace program is using drive 'h' as the swap drive, which is confliting with the networks mapped drives. Is there switch to place the swap drive to someother drive? Please e-mail....thanks a bunch!!",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2483,"See, I told you there was an atheist mythology, thanks for proving my point.",alt.atheism 2484," If they had been quiet there would have been no deaths?? I thought thier neighbors said that the Davidians never bothered them. Oh, well, that couldn't have been your point, then. If they hadn't been stockpiling weapons, then the ATF wouldn't have felt threatened and had to move in. Here's a newsflash: It isn't illegal to own more than one firearm. It isn't even illegal to own *lots* of firearms. They shot federales? The feds shot them, too. How about that staying inside thing? Here's another newsflash: sometimes the government does nasty things to you that you don't deserve. Since they were so nice to the Davidians the first time round, I can see why the Davidians didn't surrender so easily, especially because they were expecting the end of the world. -- Andrew Diederich diederic@spot.colorado.edu",talk.politics.guns 2485,"In the newer versions of Norton Backup for Windows (2.0 at least) there is an ""emergency"" disk, which will allow you to restore from tape without reinstalling DOS/Windows (I understand it's sort of cumbersome to use, but not nearly as much as reinstalling everything!) ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2486," It isn't. It's usually treated as being about as reliable as any other single, uncorroborated source of information about a person for whom there is no other evidence. What do you mean when you say it contains mirables. I just opened mine and not a damned thing happened. Is there some special way to do this?",talk.religion.misc 2487," Sorry that's an aesthetics argument. maybe this string shoudl mofe to sci.space.aesthetics. Planes ruin the night sky. Blimps ruin the night sky. Radio towers ruin the night sky. ",sci.space 2488,"Due to a number of bugs in GKS4.1 under SUNOS 4.1.3, I installed patches 100533-15 and 100755-01. Patch 100533-15 appears to work fine and has fixed a number of problems. Patch 100755-01, however, which is required to fix a number of other annoying bugs, breaks with our applications. Is there a more recent revision of patch 10075? Any other ideas?",comp.graphics 2489,"Hello, Thanks to the people who helped me with the problem of displaying 24 bit images. All the viewers like xli, xloadimage and display are converting the 24 bit images to 8 bit before display them on the screen. What I really want is a viewer with make use of the 24 bit frame/screen buffer (in our case, the Parallax one). Thanks in advance. Gilles",comp.graphics 2490,"isaackuo@skippy.berkeley.edu (Isaac Kuo) states in reply to deleted article about no-knock searches, arrests In general no-knock raids are to preserve evidence, like drugs, which can be flushed down the toilet. They are not the standard way to arrest a violent felon like a bank robber. If there is no need to search or preserve evidence they will just surround the dwelling and order the suspect to come out with her hands up. If the suspect does not come out tear gas will be used. comment on the BD omitted It is not a method to apprehend criminals. It is a very dangerous method to obtain evidence that might be destroyed if a warrant is served in the normal way. It is the most dangerous way to arrest anyone. The cops are charging into a room and they don't know what is in it. It is much safer to surround the place and announce yourself. Cops are not cops _until_ they identify themselves as police officers. Most drug dealers and professional criminals are aware of the likelihood of arrest but they also know how the system works. If they are arrested they call their lawyer, post bail and hope for a plea bargain. If they pull a gun and shoot a cop during a raid they will be charged with first degree murder if they survive the raid. Drug dealers have guns for protection from their customers and other criminals, not to shoot cops. Cops are shot on no-knock drug raids because the criminals aren't aware that they are cops. No-knock raids on homes occupied by non-criminals are more likely to end in disaster. Mom and Pop citizen _KNOW_ that they have not committed any crime, they KNOW that anyone breaking into their house cannot be a cop because they have done nothing wrong. If they have the means to defend themselves they may because they KNOW that the housebreakers are criminals not cops. Cops and homeowners may die. The first reports from Waco stated that the ATF had a warrant to search for illegal weapons and also an arrest warrant if the illegal weapons were found. In this case the no-knock warrant was not called for. It is difficult to flush a gun down the toilet. The ATF could have surrounded the compound. A marked police car could have driven up to the entrance and uniformed officers could have knocked and served the warrant usual way. It this had happened and and Koresh refused the warrant or drove the cops off at gun point then most of the t.p.g folks would have kept quiet. ",talk.religion.misc 2491,"This Summer I'm going to use my vacation drivin (riding) through the States. And I do Have some questions that I would like to post here:: Since I'm from Norway I was wondering How much does it cost to rent a Bike in the States? (I'm Probarly going to the San Fransisco/San Jose area the ride around (I'think)) As you might have noticed I still haven't made any plans so if you know about places I ought to visit Please e-mail me...",rec.motorcycles 2492," Which statement is dead wrong, because our local posters have confirmed that it was quite chilly that morning. No, we argue that it was not entirely unreasonable for a woodstove to be operational. Obviously you missed my earlier posting about the physica of woodstoves. In brief, you can't turn your woodstove on and off like your gas range. It stays on all the time. It even stays ""on"" for over 24 hours AFTER you shut it off (which is why most working woodstoves aren't ever ""shut off"" until spring). -- ",talk.politics.guns 2493,,None 2494," Which translates to 7% not satisfied. I don't think it's the awkward recursive deletion that's bugging people, it certainly isn't the nice Windows interfaces for new DOS accessories (CPAV, defrager, undelete). As far as I've noticed, it's DoubleSpace crashes. Frankly, the fairly high rates of DoubleSpace crashes I've heard of surprises me! I figured that since the OS is presumably aware of DoubleSpace, it is less likely to crash (unlike Stacker, which fools the OS... but DO is gullible anyway :). DOS 6 _is_ aware of DoubleSpace isn't it? Anyway, good job on DOS 5, and DOS 6 is good for new users. Just beware the doublespace! Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rmohns@vax.clarku.edu | Rob Mohns | Annoy Rush Limbaugh. Think for yourself.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2495,"About three weeks ago on the SPACE list, someone was quoting a source on the relative traffic and rankings of this listserv. A figure of 88th in traffic(?) was given. Unfortunately I did not clip the message and I would like to know the source of the rankings list. If anybody still has that discussion on their disk or knows the source (or is the poster himself!) I'd appreciate getting that reference. Being on the road I have temporarily unsubscribed to the list to cut down mail box stuffing so please reply via e-mail to lek@aip.org OR 71160.2356@compuserve.com or I won't get your answer!",sci.space 2496,"Hello, I am interested to hear from people working in the field of visual simulation, ie driving simulation, flight simulation etc. Would be very pleased to see, what is going on in the field of research and industrial development. For those of you interested as well: There is a workshop (preferedly held in German), situated in Wuppertal, November 18/19 1993, specially related to the above topic. The title: ""Sichtsysteme - Visualisierung in der Simulationstechnik"" Complete details are available. Please contact me.",comp.graphics 2497,"ielding RF of all time, as far comparable you has ",None 2498,"I am not a company, thus this is not a commercial sale. I purchased 256 T-shirts last fall for a fund raiser that fell through. We didn't have the time to sell the shirts. I have about 175 shirts left and I am willing to sell them to you for $5.25 a piece (more than a dollar discount of what you would have paid the supplier for the shirts, even in bulk) (That's $918.75 for 175 shirts) These shirts are Jim Morris T-shirts. They are all 100% cotton and most have more than 4 colors. (They are clean and neatly folded in a box. If any happen to be damaged I will refund your money for each damaged shirt or replace it, your option.) You could sell them for at least $8 to $15 a piece (the higher number is for the nicer shirts) to raise money for a school event or a organization. I realize it is a big investment, but it could pay off big. I would be willing to sell the shirts in lots of 50 but only at $5.50 a shirt. I will pay shipping, but prefer local buyers and will give them more bargaining power. Please help me. I do not have the time to sell these shirts and I need the money. I am taking a big loss by selling this cheap. I will give you Jim Morris' phone number so that you can varify the prices. All prices are negotiable. --Truman",misc.forsale 2499," > OK, I should have read the thread before posting my own $0.02. I would > just add to Phil's very infomative discussion the following caveat: the > fifth amendment applies ONLY in crinial cases. (""...nor shall any person . > . . be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself...""). Maybe you are using the wrong amendment. If someone were to seize a safe containing your (paper) records, and demand that you produce the combination, the applicable defense would be on grounds of unreasonable search and seizure. The police would be entitled to subpoena documents relating to a specific matter, but any broad search such as implied by impounding all your records would be unconstitutional. In the case of the safe, they would probably get a locksmith and assert that they ONLY examined documents covered by the warrent. (Sure!) In the cryptographic case, their only resort would be rubber-hose cryptography. (This would also make a good ""mental experiment"" to use in choosing escrow agents. Would you trust this proposed agent with a key to your hard disk?--or half the key for that matter.) -- Robert I. Eachus",sci.crypt 2500," Sorry, I put my foot in my mouth, concerning the church's history. It is correct to say that the Council of Hippo 393 listed the deuterocanonical books among those accepted for use in the church, and that this was ratified by the Council of Carthage, and by Pope Innoent I and Gelasius I (414 AD). ""At the end of the fourth century views still differed in regard to the extent of the canon, or the number of the books which should be acknowledged as divine and authoritative. The Jewish canon, or the Hebrew bible, was universally received, while the Apocrypha added to the Greek version of the Septuagint were only in a general way accounted as books suitable for church reading, and thus as a middle class between canonical and strictly apocryphal (pseudonymous) writings. And justly; for those books, while they have great historical value, and fill the gap between the Old Testament and the New, all originated after the cessation of prophecy, and the cannot be therefore regarded as inspired, nor are they ever cited by Christ or the aposteles."" ""In the Western church the canon of both Testaments was closed at the end of the fourth century through the authority of Jerome (who wavered, however, between critical doubts and the principle of tradition), and more especially of Augustine, who firmly followed the Alexandrian canon of the Septuagint, and the preponderant tradition in reference to the Catholic Epistles and the Revelation; though he himself, in some places, inclines to consider the Old Testament Apocrypha as *deutero* canonical, bearing a subordinate authority."" This history goes on to say that Augustine attended both the Council of Hippo and of Carthage. It is interesting to note, however, the following footnote to the fourth session of the Council of Trent. The footnote lists various Synods which endorsed lists of canonical books, but then says ""The Tridentine list or decree was the first *infallible* and effectually promulgated declaration on the Canon of the Holy Scriptures."" Which leads one to think that the RC canon was not official until Trent. Thus my previous erroneous statement was not entirely groundless. It is also interesting to note that the Council of Trent went on to uphold ""the old Latin Vulgate Edition"" of the Scriptures as authentic. Which, I would suppose, today's Catholic scholars wish the Council had never said. Also the council made no distinction between deutero-canonical and canonical books--in contrast to (Eerdman's statement of) the fourth century views.",soc.religion.christian 2501," Oh no, not again. There is a difference between believing that God exists, and loving him. (For instance, Satan certainly believes God exists, but does not love him.) What unbelievers request in situations like this is that God provide evidence compelling enough to believe he exists, not to compel them to love him. -- ""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)",alt.atheism 2502,"On one of the morning shows (I think is was the Today Show), David Koresh's lawyer was interviewed. During that interview he flipped through some letters that David Koresh wrote. On one of letters was written in Hebrew (near the bottom of the page): koresh adonai",alt.atheism 2503," Or a Caps fan residing in Atlanta, where they DONT EVEN TELL THE F&@(*@CKING PLAYOFF SCORES ON THE NEWS!!!!! ",rec.sport.hockey 2504,"Yeah, that about sums it up... looking for a place that sells diffraction grating goggles in quantity...",misc.forsale 2505,"1990 Mazda MX-6 5-spd a/c am/fm cassette cruise tilt steering white w/ burgundy interior excellent condition 73k miles $7500/best offer. -rhonda ",misc.forsale 2506,"I am looking for software that reads a plot in PCX or other format and converts it into x,y coordinate. ",comp.graphics 2507,"Mark 'Mark' Sachs , representing the Students for Well, I only saw it start in one place. A tank punched a hole in a wall, and as it withdrew flames came out and spread quickly in the direction that a 30+ mph wind was blowing. I saw a diagram in USA Today yesterday, and fires started at 2 of the 3 holes that the tanks made. A terrible, negligent accident. Maybe they couldn't. I've often marvelled at how people could get burned alive in the upstairs of a 2 story house on fire, but it happens all the time. What if they were in sealed rooms, trying to avoid the gas, and didn't know about the fire until it surrounded them? Remember the Israelis hiding in sealed rooms during Desert Storm to avoid gas-bearing Scuds? Cripes, Mark, are you REALLY a college student? Maybe you ought to stop worrying about increased beverage access and start clearing your head. Ever heard of questioning authority? OK, I'll buy that. You _do_ seem totally clueless... contrary. Wellllll.... They weren't murderous. They'd never harmed or even threatened anybody until they were attacked by a paramilitary force using military weapons and hardware. And as far as ""evidence"", what are you talking about? Everything the Feds have said they've retracted practically as soon as they get questioned in detail about it. Maybe you and your Increased Beverage Access buddies, sitting around the bar slurring stuff like ""they shoulda killed 'em all 51 days ago"" don't feel that way, but then you're probably one of those people still saying about Klinton ""Give the guy a chance, we don't even know what he's gonna do! (Burp) No problem, you don't have any questions that scare any of us. Most of our minds are apparently more developed than yours. The answer is: *YES!* In a f*cking heartbeat! Thought Experiment: Would you be mindlessly down on your knees with your mouth open, blissfully sucking up anything the Feds said if Bush were the president? What, no comeback? (OK, go ahead, say it. ""Read my lips, no new taxes"" %^P ) Not in such a great degree. Bush broke one promise, maybe two (taxes/guns) and we held him accountable for it. Of course, it took him the better part of 4 years to do it; Slick's only been in office 101 days and he's broken lots of them. Anddd... I imagine he'll also be held accountable for that. (I can just see the campaign buttons now: ""ABC - Anybody But Clinton"") Hmmm.... Apparently you just got here. Nobody's claiming that it was anything but a stupid mistake by a bunch of incompetent public employees who normally don't get this kind of scrutiny when the mess up. And as far as how they picked the Davidians, who knows? Maybe they figured that nobody'd care about such a politically incorrect group as a bunch of fundies out on the Texas prairie. Maybe they figured they'd just go in there and run roughshod over the BDs during their religious services (which was the reason the Feds gave for the timing of the raid) rather than running into resistance. Maybe they KNEW that the BDs weren't ANYWHERE NEAR as violent as the Feds' spin doctors are trying to tell the public. Maybe they were AFRAID to try this kind of thing on the Crips and Bloods. Maybe it was because the ATF's budget is up for approval and they seem to favor doing something dramatic whenever that is the case. Of course, their reasoning doesn't matter, only what they did, and this time, people are just paying more attention to it. Not if you mean that stupid ""don't stop thinking about tomorrow""... All I've ever heard is Hillary's diabolical giggle. Waffle Man seems to have lost his sense of humor... Don't know, never seen him in one. He probably looks fat and puffy faced, just like in a suit. I saw him in the Rose Garden the other day, and I couldn't get over how much he is starting to look like Teddy Kennedy. Don't worry, these things WILL be investigated. Now go back to your beer, you dimwit.... ",talk.politics.guns 2508," Just want to make a comment on this. If you live in this country long enough, you should realize the media is no friend of the govt. I am only concerned about fact that the media like to jump to conclusion before the facts. But I am sure they are good in digging dirt as well; afterall, they like the controversial events, which of course make news.",talk.politics.guns 2509,"Path: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!ames!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!psuvm!cunyvm!jcehc Organization: City University of New York Date: Wednesday, 21 Apr 1993 14:17:47 EDT From: Message-ID: <93111.141747JCEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns Subject: Should Anybody be Permitted to Own a .50 BMG rifle? Lines: 26 For the moment, forget about BATF incompetence or FBI hubris. Did anybody catch Rep. Charles Shumer on the news last night holding up a .50 BMG cartridge and rhetorically asking if anybody should be allowed to own one of these. (I presume he meant the rifle for which it is chambered and not the cartridge which you can get for a buck.) So what's your guess for the upcoming anti-gun agenda: 1. A ban on heavy caliber rifles. (read .50 BMG) 2. A ban on ""sniper rifles"" 3. A ban on ""stockpiling"" guns and ammunition. BTW: Shumer is perhaps the most misinformed congressman I have seen on the news. I wonder how he finds the floor in the morning. ------- MICHAEL F. GORDON JCEHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU ""Vote as you shot."" (19th Cent Republican campaign slogan ) Shumer is not mis-informed, he knows full well what he is doing. If you look at his other votes, and positions as an agent of redistribution of wealth & property in this country, to him guns and personal freedom are incompatible with his obvious world-view. They are a threat to the 'order' he would impose. R -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""It [collectivism vs individualism] is an ancient conflict. Men have come close to the truth, but it was destroyed each time and one civilization fell after another. Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men."" -- Ayn Rand : 'Roark's speech from the _Fountainhead_' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't speak for my company. We hire the 'Politically Correct' to do that.",talk.politics.guns 2510,"I don't know if it causes the body any harm, but in the 23 years I've been teaching nine and ten years olds I've never had one fall over from eating ""boogers"" which many kids do on a regular basis [when they think no one is looking . . .] ",sci.med 2511,"[argument over ""reasonable"" players and umpires deleted] Yes, but the baseball rules say you can only appeal a ball and not a strike. There was no decision made by the umpire regarding an appeal. Once he called it a strike the call could not be changed. I thought that the umpire did the right thing. ",rec.sport.baseball 2512,"Hi, I'm now in the market for buying a BMW.The ideal would be an R80 RS but I'd be interested to here of any R80 for sale .Age is not a problem - I'm more interested in a good example without a massive amount of miles and one which has been well maintained as I intend to keep it well and for some time. I would also like to know if anyone has any sound advice as regards to INSURANCE - 27yr old,licence for 9 years,no accidents/claims/convictions.Am I old enough to get BMW owners club insurance yet or will I have to wait until next year? Ian",rec.motorcycles 2513,"From 9150618 Thu Apr 29 16:36:43 1993 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 16:36:42 +1000 From: 9150618 (Gavin Fairlamb) To: 9130037 Status: R Hello, folks... I am doing a uni. project and was wondering if you could supply with some specific info. or references for info. regarding 1). Considerations for installation of XWindows in a HP 9000(unknown model) 2). Motif, OPENLOOK, XToolkit, Linux???? 3). X11, X11R.... 4). Glossary of any term on X We considering this software for the project which deals in image analysis... Any info. would be greatly appreciated.",comp.windows.x 2514," Repeat a lie often enough and people will start to believe it, eh? The Hamas terrorists were given the opportunity to appeal. They've chosen not to, obviously because they get better propaganda mileage out of refusing. Israel also agreed that they could return immediately, provided they agreed to stop killing Jews. Their refusal speaks for itself. ",talk.politics.mideast 2515,"O.K.- if you've read this group for a while, you know all about the one-time-pad, but here's a question I haven't seen. The one-time-pad yeilds ideal security, but has a well-known flaw in authentication. Suppose you use a random bit stream as the pad, and exclusive-or as the encryption operation. If an adversary knows the plaintext of a message, he can change it into any other message. Here's how it works. Alice is sending Bob a plaintext P, under a key stream S Alice computes the ciphertext C = S xor P, and sends it to Bob. Eve knows the plainext P, but wants the message to appear as P'. Eve intercepts C, and computes C' = C xor P xor P' = S xor P'. Eve sends C' to Bob. Bob decrypts C' by computing C'xor S = P', thus receiving the false message which was substituted by Eve. Now the question is how can this attack be defeated with information theoretic security, not just computational security. Can we define something like ""ideal authentication"" which is the analog of ideal security. Can we obtain ideal authentication ? If not, how much can we limit Eve's control over the message ? If we can achieve ideal authentication, does the solution use more key bits or expand the message ? Can we show the solution to be optimal in one or more parameters ? Does anyone know if these questions have been aswered before ?",sci.crypt 2516," Gosh. Does this mean I'm not invited to the next White House ""barbecue"" ? ",talk.politics.misc 2517," Why jettison the SSMEs? Why not hold on to them and have a shuttle bring them down to use as spares? ",sci.space 2518," Sorry about following up my own article, but I wanted to continue that what might be being missed here is that the important thing might not be temperature differences per se, but the action of heat sinking the battery. Perhap someone could conduct an experiment, taking two identical lead acid batteries, placing both on wooden shelves, but putting one of them in a water bath designed to act as a heat sink. This would eliminate the 'concrete floor effect', and keep both batteries at the same ambient temperature. I think the argument over temperatures is not pertinent, but the one over heat conductance and removing the exothermic heat may have some validity.",sci.electronics 2519," Handlebar mounted windshields on windy days are no fun at all. It has been windy as hell down here for a week or so and it plays hell with the steering. Oh, I still ride. I just bitch a lot about it! ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----",rec.motorcycles 2520,"Hello X'ers I have a problem: I am not able to create a window with 24 bit planes. The following code illustrates the problem: #include #include #include main() { Display *display; Window win; XVisualInfo vinfo; Colormap colormap; XSetWindowAttributes attributes; XEvent event; Status status; display=XOpenDisplay(NULL); status=XMatchVisualInfo(display,DefaultScreen(display),24,TrueColor, &vinfo); if (!status){ fprintf(stderr,""Visual not found\n""); exit(1); } colormap=XCreateColormap(display,DefaultRootWindow(display), vinfo.visual,AllocNone); attributes.colormap=colormap; win=XCreateWindow(display,DefaultRootWindow(display),0,0,100,100, 0,24,InputOutput,vinfo.visual,CWColormap,&attributes); XMapWindow(display,win); for (;;){ XNextEvent(display,&event); } } I tried this with an SGI with 24 plane TrueColor server, and with an HP 9000-700 24 plane DirectColor server (with the obviously neccessary change), both running X11R4. On the client side, I have tried with X11R4 Xlib on HP 9000-700 and DECstation, and with X11R3 Xlib on DECstation. All the combinations gave BadMatch error on the CreateWindow request. As far as I can tell from the manual, the only attribute which may give a BadMatch, is the colormap, if it belongs to a wrong visual. But the visual was correctly matched, as I did not get the error message. What am I doing wrong? For information I can tell that xwud aborts with the same error. Karsten -- ",comp.windows.x 2521,"Conviction of Sin A meta-exegetical or methodological essay I look forward to reading it. When I got to the library last week, it was with the object in view to look at some articles that have appeared over the last few years, since my previous look at the literature. Un- fortunately, they had moved the journal back-issues, so I didn't get a look at the articles I was hoping to find. I will continue to reserve my own judgment on _arsenokoitai_ until I have seen the latest scholarly work, and I can hope that REXLEX's posting may give some meat to chew on. However, what I *can* do now, is to point out the methodological issues -- what needs to be shown for anything to be concluded in this matter. If the article REXLEX posts addresses these issues, so much the better; if not, you will perhaps understand why the problem is hard. writes, _in abstractu_: [it is only a minor point, but let me make it anyway; De Young has already contradicted his own prior assertion in this abstract that the ancient analysis of these issues was concerned with actions and NOT with orientation. I doubt this will have much bearing on the article as such, but thought I should point it out from the start.] The hypothesis De Young is advancing is that Paul a) coined the word and b) his intended meaning for it was in reference to the Levitical law. The questions I wish to raise are 1.) how would one go about confirming the truth of this hypothesis? and 2.) what follows if one accepts (or stipulates, for the sake of the discussion) that it is correct? Note that b) is independent of a); I consider b) far more plausible than a), which seems merely to be a counsel of despair over finding nothing in the literature contemporary with Paul to clarify this word. So far as I know, Paul does NOT in general invent words anywhere else in his letters. Unless you have an otherwise-established pattern of coinages, it is *not* sound methodology to assume it -- particularly if he gives no hint in the immedi- ate text to ""fix"" the coinage's meaning for his audience. As yet, the extract presents no evidence at all. What do we need to confirm or reject the hypothesis? (which, I should say at the outset, I find somewhat plausible; I certainly know of nothing which makes it an *impossible* way of construing this problem passage.) I'm going to set aside for the moment the question of whether Paul might have coined this usage, to look at the more tractable question of what it means. For this there are, in principle, two kinds of evidence that can be adduced, internal and external. That is, we can look at the text of Paul's letter for clarification or look outside that to prior or contemporary writings that Paul might have relied on, or to derivative writings that have some claim of access to Paul's meaning. The single WORST problem with this word in Corinthians is that there IS no internal evidence for Paul's meaning. He uses the word totally without an explanation or hint as to his meaning, save that its inclusion in a list of negatives implies that it has for him SOME negative meaning. We are left, as the only ""internal"" clue, with the etymology or formation of the word -- which is indeed the reason that De Young (and others before him) have associated it with the Leviticus prohibition of men VERBing with other men, where VERB is some standard euphemism for having sex (""lie"" in Leviticus, ""bed"" in Greek). One problem is that ""bedders"" (_-koitai_) is not, as far as I know, USED that way in Greek. THEREFORE, I offer one serious test which de Young's hypothesis *must* pass or be rejected: o find a body of Greek texts contemporary with Paul (or not much prior to his day) such that the _X-koitai_ formation implies ""men who have sex with X"" [obviously, the ""best case"" is to find such usages of _arsenokoitai_ itself.] such texts would be confirmation that the word *can* be read that way. It is worth emphasizing that compound words are NOT in general under- standable by projecting what the READER may imagine by the juxtaposition of the roots. Existence of such parallels doesn't *prove* the hypothesis correct -- but it goes a long way towards making such a usage (whether or not original with Paul in the specific case of X == _arse:n_) possible of comprehension by his readers. My ""test"" moves in the direction of external evidence. If Paul does NOT in his text explain his word (and he does not), then he has to expect his readers to already know the word (which stands against its being a coinage) or to expect that it mimics word formations that they *do* know, such that they can guess his meaning without too much floundering. External evidence, that is, texts other than Paul's own and lexicographic or social/historical considerations that might be adduced, then come into the picture. *If* there are other uses of the word, not dependent on Paul, which *have* sufficient internal (contextual) evidence -- or some gloss by a contemporary scribe -- to show a derogatory reference to male homosexu- ality, or similar _-koitai_ formations used in similar ways, *then* one has grounds for o denying that Paul coined the word and o assuming that his readers might understand his meaning Do you see the problem? If Paul coined the word, then he REQUIRES his readers to share enough context with him to COMPREHEND his coinage and its intent -- in this case that they would (stipulating De Young's guess) understand him to be referring to the Levitical ""universal"" prohibition of male-male sex (this, mind you, in a context where Paul has emphasized at least to OTHER congregations (and so one assumes to the Corinthians -- how else to explain 1 Cor. 6:12, and the Corinthians having to be pulled back from overinterpreting their freedom?) the NON applicability of Torah law to his gentile converts!) Among the considerations that make it implausible for Paul to have coined the word, its first element is archaic -- _arse:n_ is an old Attic or Ionic form of what in even classical (let alone koine) times would be assimilated as _arre:n_. To me, this implies that we are even more than usually needful of external evidence to pin down meaning and usage. What is Paul doing inventing a word in obsolete Attic formation? And if he *didn't* coin the word, but picked it up like the others in his list as common terms of derogation, then his meaning will be -- for his readers -- constrained by that common meaning (since he gives no other.) I cannot emphasize enough that Paul DOES NOT TELL US what he means by this word. We (and his original readers) are guessing. They, at least, had a contemporary context -- and maybe Paul had used this very word and explained it in great detail to them in person. But we have no trace of evidence of that, and to *suppose* it is mere fantasy. So -- we are *desperately* in need of external evidence about this word. And it seems to be exceptionally meagre. That is precisely the problem. I can think of several more or less equally plausible hypotheses about the word: a) it was a standard gutter term of abuse for (some or all, maybe very specific, maybe very general) homosexual male activities b) it was a term of abuse used by Jews about the awful homosexual Greeks (which may or may not be consciously associated on their part with the Leviticus passage) c) Paul invented the term -- and again there may or may not be an association with Leviticus in his doing so. He may or may not intend the word to have an explicit and universal application with absolute and clear boundaries. [Since none of his OTHER words in that list have such character, this last seems to me about the *least* plausible of the hypotheses I'm advancing.] Of these, I'd say off the top of my head that a) is most plausible -- but I still have reservations about that, too. If the word NEVER appears before Paul, and in later uses has some evidence of depending on Paul, then one can opt for Paul's coining it. If it does appear before him, he might *still* have coined it being unaware of prior use (in which case, his coinage is inherently confusing!) but one should normally demote c) on the basis of any earlier uses (especially if they can be shown to have been at all common in the places Paul traveled.) In either of the a) or b) cases, one has to take into account Paul's relation to the community of usage he picked the word up from -- and whether it be from the Greek or Jewish communities, Paul's relations are hardly straight- forward! There is, so far as I have yet seen, little or no external evidence to aid us in selecting one of these (or some other) hypothesis. Your guess is as good as mine (or maybe worse or maybe better, depending on a lot of things). But it remains -- so far -- guesswork. And I don't know about you, but I for one WILL NOT equate human guesswork with the will of God. By all means be convinced in your own conscience about what Paul is getting at -- as he says elsewhere on what was in HIS day a major controversy of somewhat this same character (Romans 14:22-23) ""Hold on to your own belief, as between yourself and God -- and consider the man fortunate who can make his decision without going against his conscience. But anybody who eats in a state of doubt is condemned, because he is not in good faith, and every act done in bad faith is a sin."" For my part, I cannot see any way to resolve Paul's meaning in the use of _arsenokoitai_ without directly applicable external evidence -- and by the nature of such external evidence, it will never reach to certainty of constraining Paul's own intent. Paul, like Humpty Dumpty (and me, and all the rest of us) *will* use words in ways that are personal choices -- and sometimes leave his readers puzzled. If that puzzlement leads you to God, it may be blessed -- if it should lead away (as some of Paul's words HAVE led some people), then Paul's intense communicative effort to contrive his meaning in our souls may have some regretable consequences. I have always found Paul to be a fantastically reliable guide -- if I read him ""in the large"", if I can see him lay out his position in detail and hammer it home time and time again. I am much less certain about his meaning in his many brief and cryptic passages (such as this one.) In my usual discursive way, I have gone on at great length about the first of my intended meta-exegetical points -- what would be needed to confirm that Paul a) coined or b) in any case meant the word to mean the same as the Leviticus prohibition. My second point is to *stipulate* this hypo- thesis, and follow up what it implies for both his initial readers and for later Christians. Given my verbosity, this will be tomorrow night's meditation :-)",soc.religion.christian 2522," Are you sure? Harley's disclaimer says, ""if you crash, we take care of the bike, you take care of you."" If you were really responsible for the bike, did your insurance cover it? ",rec.motorcycles 2523,"325/441/577. ",None 2524," [munch] [munch following is reformatted] I'd say that the massive crash problems are exceedingly rare. Windows _itself_ almost never crashes, but it can be crashed by an errant application (My personal favorite? Any one of the Corel 3.0 programs). On the other hand, I have had OS/2 crash randomly a number of times, mostly just running it's own applications. For instance. Today I discovered a new one. While I was downloading with Procomm Plus For Windows (running seamless with the standard VGA drivers on a run-o' da mill VGA card--640x480), I decided that I wanted to edit a copy of a quote that I wanted to add to my .finger. But since I've learned not to really trust seamless, I fired up a full screen WinOS/23.1 session. Whoops, the download finished while WinOS/2 was loading. It had _just_ gotten the pointer up, so I hit alt-escape to get back t the desktop (I have a lot of fonts, so loading takes a good long while). Blam. Screen trashed, Procomm hangs up. Hm. Well, I can sorta see the mouse, so I clicked on the minimized WINOS/2 session and got back my fullscreen Windows session (but the color were off--red and green and yellow and brown instead of blues and greys). So I closed this, and got back to the desktop (now fully restored). PP+ was still sitting, window open, but it was no longer ""connected"" to the com port--so I exited it (the normal way-- it told me I was still online and it would hang up, though it was _already_ hung up). Hm. Well, load anothe--no, bad idea. Shutdown and reboot. Ok, refresh first.. Now, shutdown. Yes, everything is closed... Hm. Nothing seems to be happening. Let's see.. Ah, the windows list still comes up. OK, let's try shutdown again. No go. Huh. Alright, wait 60 seconds to see if it's just running slow. Hmm. Still seems to be running OS/2. Try shutdown again. Nothing. Oh well. Reboot. Enjoy the checkdisk time. In this case, a part of the OS crashed not only itself, but OS/2 entirely (which isn't even smart enough to tell when it;s been compromised, I guess). In everyday (specifically _today_) use. That's the idea, anyway. In truth, when a program crashes on OS/2, it will bring the system down with it. The programs that would just GPF under Windows do the same under OS/2, but programs that are fine under DOS and Windows bring OS/2 screaming to a halt, task protection or no. For instance, I'm still wondering why print preview in a windowed WP 5.1 (DOS) locks up my system. It works fine under DOS or even in a dos box under Windows 3.1. (Admittedly, it doesn't crash if I run WP51 full screen, but the first time this bug big me, it bit hard). Please explain. The only time I wait on anything under Windows is when I'm copying or formatting a floppy, or when printing (and even then, not long--I get 9 to 11 pages dumped to the printman per minute, and can _still_ go do things--slowly--while it's doing this--I've downloaded with PP+ @9600 while printing). Not sure what you mean here. OS/2 sees 16 megs, uses 5 or six of these for it's own use (more if you want to count WinOS/2). Windows sees 16 megs, uses 3 or 4 (more like 5 if you count the disk cache as I am for OS/2) for itself. If memory efficiency were a big issue, PC GEOS would be the current king of the Intel desktop. On the other hand.. I am finally able to say with some confidence that both OS/2 and Windows have a bit of hardware sensitivity to them. For instance, the machine I am sitting at runs both fine, while the machine next to me constantly locks up under Windows. (But ran OS/2 without a hitch once I got it through a 5-crash install). On the whole, I'd say OS/2 is a whole lot more sensitive than Windows, but there are (I suppose) machines that Windows just doesn't like. Wasn't this _Ferris_ Bueller? ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2525,,None 2526,"Has anyone heard of a SCSI device that can capture video? We need some sort of device that can capture about 10 frames or so per second, and work off the SCSI bus. The idea is to use it for some sort of video conferencing application.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2527,"You forgot one thing ""All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"". Mark ",soc.religion.christian 2528,,None 2529," [ First of all, please edit your postings. Wading through 50 lines of quoted crud, which people have already read, makes people much less likely to help you. Of course, if you don't want to be helped, that's your problem. ;-) ] No, it's not true. You can get SCSI and IDE to work together, but there are restrictions (at least with the Adaptec 1542): * You MUST boot from the IDE drive. There is no way to boot from the SCSI drive if you have both IDE and SCSI drives. * You MUST disable the SCSI ROM BIOS (I'm not sure about this, though), and so you must also use some special drivers to access the SCSI drive. (Hmm. I know that you have to disable something related to the SCSI BIOS, but I'm not sure if it is the ROM itself.) Back in February, someone asked about IDE and SCSI (this question gets asked again and again). At the end of this message, I've included an edited copy of my reply. You might find it interesting. -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion or policy of Hewlett-Packard or of the little green men that have been following him all day. =============================================================================== For MSDOS applications, ISA-based SCSI and IDE controllers generally have comparable throughput. You might get slightly higher throughput with a SCSI disk, but you'll also pay more for the disk ($30-$100 and up, in some cases). You'll also pay much, much more for a good SCSI controller. Note that good SCSI controllers really show their power if they're used with a good multitasking operating system (like a PC Unix). Unfortunately, neither MSDOS nor Windows 3.1 is a good multitasking operating system. The performance advantage of SCSI controllers is mostly wasted with these, which leaves the advantage of being able to connect multiple devices to the SCSI bus as the only advantage. However, note that you can expect to pay a premium for SCSI devices. If you're only going to be using MSDOS, stick with IDE. It's cheaper, and you'll have less headaches. [ Note: the following is true for MSDOS/Windows only. Who knows what the future holds for Windows NT and Unix??? ] No. Generally, you have to find drivers for each SCSI device, which probably don't exist unless you're using one of the ""better""/""high performance"" SCSI controllers. These are typically bus-mastering SCSI controllers that cost around $180-$400 (street prices) and up, and drivers that allow you to connect these controllers to popular name-brand SCSI devices either come with the card, or can be purchased (for under $100 list price). Examples of such driver kits are: * Adaptec's EZ SCSI kit (list: $75). This works only with Adaptec SCSI controllers. * CorelSCSI! (from the same people who make CorelDRAW!) (list: $99 (?)). This driver kit will supposedly work with any SCSI controller card that has an ASPI driver, like the Adaptec. Central Point's PC Tools for DOS 8.0 supports a number of SCSI tape drives (the documentation lists 40 tape drives). Unfortunately, it works only with Adaptec controllers. Yes, you will run into problems, if you're using a high-performance, bus-mastering SCSI controller. This doesn't sound right, doesn't it? It's true, though. With one of these controllers, you'll probably have to tweak your system to get it to work with sound cards, floppy-controller-based tape drives (like the CMS Jumbo 250), and Windows 3.1. I know. I've been to h*ll and back getting my SCSI controller to work with various hardware/software (thank God for tape backups). If you want a copy of my ""Adaptec 1542 hints and tips"" file, send email. These problems aren't really the fault of the SCSI controller card; the problems are really with the general hardware and software design of the PC (e.g., no standards). However, adding a bus-mastering SCSI card is what brings these problems to the surface and makes them visible.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2530," Valve seat wear? Tony ",None 2531," [request for WDC65c816 Mac cross-development stuff] Apple themselves sells a 65816 cross-developer for the Macintosh called 'MPW IIgs' (it's intended for use with the Apple IIgs computer, which uses the '816). ",sci.electronics 2532," My Centris 610 is working perfectly. There is one problem that I have noticed. FastBack II backup utility does not work!!! The strange thing is that it works with my friend's 610 most of the time, however, it never works with my machine. I assume it is some sort of software problem and not hardware related. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2533,"I am tunning into this newgroup after a long time. Could somebody tell me what the slave mode in the xterm is? and what can it be used for? Any info where I can get more info or examples. I want to use a bunch of xterms and send the input from one application to these xterms and get the output on the xterms. Please email me any info. ",comp.windows.x 2534," There is something terribly wrong, however, with a culture which condemns, attacks, and all too often kills any of its members who attempt to get an education. My mother is an elementary school teacher, and she tells me that she and her african american collegues are frustrated to tears by the fact that any african american child who attempts to do well in school and get an education is accused by his/her peers of ""trying to be white"", and is beaten, bullied, and tormented by them. It goes beyond each passing grade on a test earning a beating. In my mother's school, one of the most promising young students, who happened to be african american, had her throat cut by one of these young thugs. Nobody who buys into such a culture has any hope of being anything but poor and/or a thug and/or dead, regardless of their color. What has to be changed is the culture. If that culture can't be changed, then those african-american kids who are willing to separate from it *must* be separated from it and the murderous thugs of whatever color. Otherwise, future bright young african american girls who wanted to be doctors will end up dead on the school bus.",talk.politics.misc 2535,"[This is SWF in another indirect post via Dan]. predicitions if you have some many types of happen again may predict reaction There are several problems here. First, you are discussing only experimental procedures. Observational procedures are also useful. The main criterion is attempting to verify an idea by using it to make prediction about as-yet unmade observations. The observations could be the result of an experiment, or they could be obsevations of activity occuring spontaneossly in nature, or they could even be observations of the lasting results of events long past. All that matters is that the observations be *new*. This is what prediction is about in science - it is *not* about predicting the future except in this very restricted sense. Secondly, repeatability can also take many forms. It is really just the requirement that independent observers be able to verify the results. The observation of a fossil is 'repeatable', since any qualified observer may look at it (this is why the specimens are reqtined in a museum). Also, there is the implicit prediction that future fossil finds will correspond to the current one. New fossils are found often enough that this is tested regularly. Many times a new fossil actually falsifies some conclusion made on the basis of previous fossils. Unfortunately for you, the models that were falsified have alway been peripheral to the model of evolution we now have. (For instance, the front legs of Tyrannosaurus rex turned out to have tremendous muscles, rather than being weakly endowed as previously believed). So, in fact, histoircal science findings *are* repeatable in the necessary sense. Just becuase you cannot go out and repeat the original event does *not* make it impossible to make valid observations. [This is not to say that biologists would not go coo-coo if extra- terrestrial life were discovered - that could make the determination of the process of abiogenesis relatively easy]. -- sarima@teradata.com (formerly tdatirv!sarima) or Stanley.Friesen@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com",alt.atheism 2536," >Subject: hate the sin... >Date: 12 May 93 08:27:08 GMT >""Hate the sin but love the sinner""...I've heard that quite a bit recently, >My question is whether that statement is consistent with Christianity. I >would think not. Hate begets more hate, never love. If you are questioning whether or not ""hating sin"" is consistent with Christianity; I ask you to consider the following Scripture: Romans 12:9 ""Let Love be without hypocrisy. Hate what is evil, cling to what is good."" What is it that Paul, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is calling us to hate? Would God call us to do something that would eventually lead to hating our fellow man; especially when he commands us to do the opposite, to love your fellow man? >Consider some sin. Now lets apply our ""hate the sin..."" philosophy and see >what happens. If we truly hate the sin, then the more we see it, the >stronger our hatred of it will become. Eventually this hate becomes so >strong that we become disgusted with the sinner and eventually come to >hate the sinner. That has not been my experience. I've not found myself hating anybody as a result of hating the sin that may be in their life. As a sinner myself, I find myself having more compassion for the person. Jesus too, since the Bible teaches that he was tempted in every way that we are, is able to have compassion on us when we our tempted and fall. Jesus is our very example of HOW to hate the sin but love the sinner. In the account of the woman caught in adultery (John 8), Jesus had compassion on the woman; BUT he also called her to leave her life of sin. This is what it means to love sinners but hate their sin; it means loving them unconditionally, while at the same time calling them to leave their sin. >In addition, our hatred of the sin often causes us to say and do things >which are taken personally by the sinner (who often does not even believe >what they are doing is a sin). The blame for this can not always be laid at the feet of the Christian. I have seen and been guilty of taking offense by someone merely pointing out my sin and calling me to repent of it. It was not unloving for the Christian to call me out of sin; in fact, I believe it was the most loving thing that that person could have done. He loved me enough to want to spare me the consequence of remaining in my sin. >After enough of this, the sinner begins to hate us (they certainly don't >love us for our constant criticism of their behavior). Hate builds up and >drives people away from God...this certainly cannot be a good way to build >love. Again, I don't think that you can lay the blame for this at the feet of the Christian. If we have loved them as Jesus loved sinners (exemplified in John 8) and the sinner hates us for it, then we have done the best we can. We will have extended to them the most perfect expression of love and they will have rejected it. Now it we hate the sin but forget to love the sinner, then indeed, we will, ourselves, be in sin. >In the summary of the law, Christ commands us to love God and to love our >neighbors. He doesn't say anything about hate. I would like to encourage you to do a word study on HATE in the New Testament. I really think that you will be surprised. >In fact, if anything, he commands us to save our criticisms for ourselves. Criticism is very different from calling a sinner to repent. Hope this helps, In Christ, Tony Balsamo --",soc.religion.christian 2537," There can be. But depression is not diagnositic of thyroid deficiency. Thyroid blood tests are easy, cheap, and effective in diagnosing thyroid deficiencies.",sci.med 2538,"Ever since I was a kid and learned to tell when I was in a dream I have used my dreams for fantasies or working out problems. In my dreams I have done everything from yell at my mom to machine-gunning zombies, not to mention myriad sexual fantasies. I have deliberately done things that I would never do in real life. I understand the need to control ones thoughts, but I always felt that dreams were format free, no morals, no ethics, no physical laws, (though sometimes I would have to wake myself up to go to the bathroom.) Is this an incorrect attitude? Rather than weakening my inhibitions, I could argue that I got certain things ""out of my system"" by experiencing them in dreams. By analyzing a dream I can determine if I have a problem with a certain situation, i.e. in a dream something will be exagerated that I can then contemplate and see if it really bothers me or not. I can't believe that other people don't do the same. It seems silly to attach moral significance to dreams. I think that this is entirely different from out of body experiences, which I have never had. Contradictions welcome.",soc.religion.christian 2539," : When Elizabeth greeted Mary, Elizabeth said something to the effect that : Mary, out of all women, was blessed. If so, it appears that this : exactly places Mary beyond the sanctification of normal humanity. The phrase is ""eulogemene su en gunaixin""- ""blessed are you among women."" There is nothing to indicate that this is an exceptional or unique status, only that _as a woman_ Mary was blessed. Adding the word ""all"" is not a fair reading of the text. There are some good reasons for the church's veneration of Mary, but they cannot depend on this verse.",soc.religion.christian 2540," Are you serious? The auto that had a lot to do with bringing the term ""boxer"" to the popular forefront was the Ferrari 512 Berlinetta Boxer or the 512BB. Had a 5 liter, opposed 12 cylinder engine. ",rec.autos 2541," Seems to me that I heard that some early Saabs were 2 cycle V4's. Then again, who could possibly care ?> ",rec.autos 2542,"I am using xnlock as the screensaver for a PC-based X server. However, after an interval of no activity, my X session ends. This does not happen when I use xscreensaver. My screensave command is fired up from my .xsession like this: xautolock -time 1 -locker xnlock -corners ++++ -cornerdelay 1 & My hypothesis is that xdm (I use xdmcp to start my X session) detects a period of inactivity from the server, then terminates the session. However, for some reason, this does not happen with xscreensaver. Is there a workaround? I'd prefer responses via e-mail. Thanks. ",comp.windows.x 2543,"One of our ASU students needs data and or a copy or an article regarding accidents, injury or death to ""children"" (articles which state the age limits of ""children"") relating to firearms for a sociology report. We have a copy of the long Edgar A. Suter, M.D. article and but we can't find the Paul Blackman (NRA) ""expose'"". Any articles (or sections thereof) which deal with comparisons over time, locations, age groups, other reasons for accidents, injury or death, with percentages would be welcome. Please send same to our I.D. and node.",talk.politics.guns 2544,"For Sale: ********* * (1) CGA card * Road & Track's Grand Prix (3.5"" disks) * DOS 4.01 * Packard Bell .39 dot pitch VGA color monitor * 256K 2-the-max VGA card Please make offers for the above merchandise. What do you have to lose? Go ahead--make an offer! Thanks. Email: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu ",misc.forsale 2545,"Thompson Schreiber) posted: [PTS] ARMENIA AND AZERBAIJAN: TWO VIEWS [PTS] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [PTS] Washington Report On Middle East Affairs [PTS] April/May 1993, Vol. XI, No. 9 [PTS] [PTS] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [PTS] [PTS] [PTS] Life Under Blockade In Yerevan [PTS] ------------------------------ [PTS] By Nancy Najarian Ms. Najarian wrote on her personal observations. If somebody wishes to counter the reality she described, fine. [PTS] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [PTS] [PTS] [PTS] The Conflict Over Nagorno-Karabakh: An Azeri Perspective [PTS] -------------------------------------------------------- [PTS] By Alec Rasizade [PTS] [PTS] [AR] Western readers have learned of the Nagorno (Upper) Karabakh [AR] controversy through reports from that remote area by Western [AR] correspondents and from commentaries by member of the long-established [AR] Armenian-American community. Azeri views on this dispute have [AR] appeared rarely if at all in the Western news media. Therefore let me [AR] present _Washington Report_ readers with some basic truths about the [AR] origins of the conflict. During the past two years, if one reads all the commentaries on the subject, a small minority of the writers have been Armenia or Azeri. The following should be interesting. [AR] Armenian leaders claim that Azerbaijan was the first to oppress and [AR] expel the Armenian minority from the Azerbaijani Republic. Actually, [AR] the initiative to banish the Azeri minority and convert the Armenian [AR] Republic into a homogeneous state began in the winter of 1987-1988, [AR] when 165,000 Azeris were driven out of Armenia. Following that move, [AR] there were massacres of Armenians in the Azerbaijani cities of Sumgait [AR]in February 1988 and two years later, in Baku in January 1990. This not true. Other than simply checking the newspapers, I will quote from an independent human rights report. In the _PAX Cristi Netherlands_, 29 September 1991, page 28, we read: ""By mid-november, many incidents took place in several places in Azerbaijan. The APF [Azeri Popular Front] challenged the Communist Party for power. ... After ten days, the authorities came in with tanks to reimpose their power. In Nakhitchevan, the last Armenian villages were deported. In Ganja, Armenians were attacked and killed. All 40,000 Armenian inhabitants fled the city..."" Between 22 November and 8 December 1988, refugees from Ganja arrived in Armenia while all 167,000 Azeris in Armenia were chased away."" In this part of the world February 1988 [start of organized anti-Armenian pogroms in Azerbaijan] come before November and December of 1988! [AR] Azeri parliamentary committees have compiled evidence indicating that [AR] both events were inspired from Moscow to secure Russian imperial rule [AR] in the Transcaucasus, according to the Roman principle of ""divide and [AR] rule."" Similar conspiracies are evident throughout the five-year [AR] history of the conflict. It is interesting that the Azeris killed, burnt, raped the Armenians but the perpetrators blame Russians, and Armenians themselves on other occasions. [AR] Each time the parties have been about to reach an agreement (in [AR] Zheleznovodsk, Moscow, Tehran, Rome, Geneva and Alma-Ata), an [AR] invisible hand provoked further bloodshed. Those interested in [AR] maintaining the Azeri-Armenian conflict, as well as the Georgian [AR] turmoil, are imperialist forces in Russia, and probably in Iran. Incorrect! When were the people of Nagorno-Karabakh ever involved in an agreement? Never. Until Azerbaijan sits down with the Armenians of Nagorno- Karabakh there will never be an end to this conflict. [AR] The Armenian offensive last spring created more than 100,000 new Azeri [AR] refugees from the captured towns of Upper and Lower Karabakh and [AR] adjacent rural districts. Today 500,000 Azeri refugees throng the [AR] city of Baku and environs, providing more problems for the newly [AR] elected Popular Front government, which is opposed by the rigidly [AR] nationalistic National Independence Party. It's called war. If the Azerbaijanis didn't try to deport and allow the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh to live in their ways, keep their Armenian culture, these Armenians would not have had to defend their existence. The Azeris should not have assumed that Armenians were going to roll over and play dead. [AR] How can a Western-style democracy survive in a small Muslim country [AR] where 1 million of the 7 million inhabitants are unemployed? In the [AR] absence of any international effort to help Azeri refugees, as Kurdish [AR] and Bosnian refugees have been helped, how can the Azeri government [AR] reject the demand of these exiles to recapture their lands, homes and [AR] possessions? The Azeri government should have thought about such thnings before they attempted to deprive Armenians of ""lands, homes, and possessions"". [AR] Such simple realities must be understood in the West. [AR] Misunderstanding Caucasian politics leads both Western and Russian [AR] public opinion to imagine a permanent, and therefore irreversible, [AR] ethnic and religious rivalry in the Caucasus. True, and you, Dr. Alec Rasizade, should practice what you preach! [AR] I think Western reluctance to interfere derives from this idea. [AR] Meanwhile, continuation of the war could draw both Eastern and Western [AR] states into the conflict through activation of various security [AR] alliances. These include, on the Armenian side, the Moscow-led [AR] Commonwealth forces under the Tashkent mutual security pact, signed [AR] May 15, 1992. On the Azeri side, should Turkey get involved as the [AR] guarantor of the Nakhichevan autonomy through the Kars Treaty of Oct. [AR] 13, 1921, these include the North Atlantic Treaty forces. Western interference! Turkish intervention! The moment Turkey dares step into this conflict it will close the doors of any chance of Turkey being part of Europe (as if it ever will) and will destroy the eastern third of Anatolia! Dr. Rasizade, international realpolitik is not as simple-minded as you would have us believe. [AR] Upper Karabakh generally is described in Western press reports as an [AR]""Armenian enclave within Azerbaijan."" The truth is that the Armenians [AR] began to appear there only in the middle of the last century. Incorrect once again. A brief scan of history addresses such a foolish claim. Armenians today, refer to the area of Nagorno-Karabakh as ""Artsakh"", which comes from the Urartian term ""Urtekhe-Urtekhini"". NO Azeris yet! Ancient Greeks referred to Artsakh as ""Orkhistena"". NO Azeris yet! In the first half of the 6th century B.C., Artsakh, as part of Ervandid Armenia of Media. NO Azeris yet! From the end of the 4th century B.C., Artsakh was part of the Armenian Kingdom of Ervan. NO Azeris yet! Artsakh was still part of the Armenian Empire of Tigran. Orkhistena, or Artsakh is refereed to by Strabo, as part of Armenia. NO Azeris yet! After Armenia was divided between the Persian and Byzantine Empires in 387 A.D. until 428, Artsakh was part of Armenia. NO Azeris yet! End of the 5th century, Utik and Artsakh became principalities of the Aranshakhiks. NO Azeris yet! By the 7th century an Artsakh dialect of Armenian formed. NO Azeris yet! Emperor Konstantin (913-959) addressees a letter to the Prince of Khachen ""To Armenia"". Khachen was the central principality of Artsakh. NO Azeris yet! In the decree of Paul I (1797), the number of Armenian families in this area was stated as 11,000. It was from the 16th to the 18th centuries that non-Armenians from Central Asia, Asia Minor, and Kurdistan first began to be exercise political influence in the planes of Artsakh. Caucasian Muslims around Karabakh! In 1813 Karabagh becomes part of Russia. Officiallt part of Russia 1828. Some Muslims in Karabakh! In 1914, the number of Armenian churches in Nagorno-Karabagh was 224, 188 priests, 206,768 parishioners in 224 Armenian towns and villages. The Armenian percentage of the population was over 90%. MAX: 10% Azeris in Karabakh -- assuming no Kurds! Consider the following statement by the Azerbaijani Revcom on December 1, 1920: ""The Worker-Peasant Government of Azerbaidzan, having been informed of the proclamation of Armenia a Soviet Socialist Republic, sends its greetings to the brother people. From this day the previous boundaries between Armenia and Azerbaidzan are annulled. Nagornyi Karabakh, Zangezur, and Nakhichevan are recognized as integral parts of the Armenian Socialis Republic. Long live the brotherhood and union of the workers and peasants of Soviet Armenia and Azerbaidzan! Chairman of the Revcom of Azerbaidzan N. Narimanov People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs Guseinov"" [AR] A few years ago they celebrated the 150th anniversary of their [AR] resettlement from Persia to Karabakh, after it came under Russian [AR] rule. No, incorrect. The 1988 celebration was the 150th anniversary of Russian rule in the Caucasus, including Karabakh! [AR] At the same time the Russian colonial administration also drew [AR] in Russian and German settlers, who were welcomed by Azeris. How [AR] would Americans react if the large numbers of Armenians living in [AR] southern California suddenly claimed an Armenian homeland, and [AR] demanded separation from California? Non-sequitur. [AR] Armenian historians insist that before the Armenian resettlement [AR] Karabakh was inhabited by aboriginal Christians. That is correct. Armenian historians don't say this! [AR] The people of medieval Caucasian Albania adopted Christianity in the [AR] fourth century. But those ancient residents had no link to and [AR] nothing in common with Armenians. Considering the Caucasian Albans were of the Armenian Apostolic faith, and their utilization of the Armenian language in their liturgy, makes such an argument totally invalid! [AR] Azeris would have a better claim to [AR] be successors of Albania, since Azeris have for centuries inhabited, [AR] dominated, and developed the Karabakh part of the Azeri nation. Wishing to be part of a people non-existent for nearly a millennium for geo- political advantage is rather outrageous. In addition to such absurdity, Azeris claim to be Turks, Persians, and all the while are Azerizing their minorities, such as the Lezgians, Kurds, Tat, Talish, and a host of other nationalities which may amount to nearly half the population of Azerbaijan. [AR] Both Armenia and Azerbaijan last year signed the Final Act of the [AR] Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe of 1975, and the [AR] Paris Charter for New Europe of 1990, confirming their mutual [AR] adherence to the principle of inviolability of existing borders. This [AR] principle means that the borders and territorial integrity of the [AR] Republic of Azerbaijan are to be guaranteed by all of the signatory [AR] nations, not just by Turkey. Such agreements do not give Azerbaijan the right to de-populate Karabakh of Armenians. [AR] This is one key to intervention on behalf either of the U.N., the [AR] CSCE, the Commonwealth, NATO or Iran. The second key to untying the [AR] Caucasian knot is to determine who is the aggressor, according to the [AR] U.N. definition of 1974. Fine, so why has Azerbaijan refused to allow UN troops into the Armenian enclave? What is Azerbaijan afraid of? Perhaps the fact that the territory is the home of Armenians, the UN, would by definition, support the local population! [AR] When that is accomplished, the international community can and should [AR] apply to the aggressor in the Caucasus international sanctions such as [AR] those presently being employed against Serbia and Montenegro in the [AR] former Yugoslavia. Such decisive collective international action can [AR] halt further aggression in Karabakh, and prevent the Armenian-Azeri [AR] conflict from growing and spreading. Azerbaijan's refusal to allow the Armenians of Karabakh to determine their own future the is issue, not viewing isolating events out of context are actions that will address the Karabakh conflict. Viewing events in a war in isolation and out of context is like viewing the landing at Normandy as an act of Allied aggression! [AR] Dr. Alec Rasizade, senior research officer at the Academy of Sciences [AR] of Azerbaijan, is a visiting researcher at the Harriman Institute of [AR] Columbia University in New York. Ha! ",talk.politics.mideast 2546,"+> +> Recently, I heard the Red Sox on WROL a Spanish-speaking radio station. +>I thought it was so unreal. The Red Sox in Spanish? Anyway, I want to find +>out how widespread this is? Being a NY native, I know the scMets are on in +>Spanish but not the Yankmes. I wuold think that LA,SD,Texas and Fla are on +>in Spanish. Are there any Spanish-speaking networks or is this a local The braves day games are broadcast is Spanish on a station called ""La Favorita"". (the station has a daytime liscence only).",rec.sport.baseball 2547," Check out the shocks where they mount, at both ends. if you have the type that have a loop?,from lack of a better term, and a bolt like piece sticking through, there should be a rubber bushing between the loop and the bolt. Is it there ? is it crushed and allowing metal to metal contact? I hope you can make some sense of this. Good Luck.> ",rec.autos 2548," I didn't say to visit some ""nice"" homosexuals. I said ""visit some congregations of Christians..spirit-filled believers.."" Praise the Lord that we are all members of the same body. Let us agree to disagree.",soc.religion.christian 2549,"Two years ago Mark Messier appeared on David Letterman the summer he signed wit h the Rangers. I remember he and Mike Gartner taking slapshots at the camera, one finally was a bullseye and the screen went blank. It was funny if you saw it, I guess. ",rec.sport.hockey 2550," Money probably has a lot to do with keeping the practice of routine circumcision alive... It's another opporitunity to charge a few hundred extra bucks for a completely unnecessary procedure, the rationale for which until recently has been accepted without question by most parents of newborns. One could also imagine that complications arising from circumcision (infections, sloppy jobs, etc) are far more common than the remote chance of penile cancer it is purported to prevent. ",sci.med 2551," But the ""values and systems that make the rich rich"" all basically amount to freedom of choice. In New England in 1800 the entire economy was based on the small family farm. Farm economy households were economically diversified, producing not only agricultural goods but also ""manufactured"" goods, especially cloth. Many farm women carded, spun, and/or wove, producing not only cloth for their own family but also to sell, generating extra income. But about this time the Industrial Revolution was underway in England and by the 1820's it had moved to the US, in both cases in the form of textile mills. These mills could produce cloth far more efficiently and cheaply than people at home. The result was that an important source of home income was wiped out and many of these women were compelled by economic circumstance to go to work in these same mills in Lowell, Mass, or Nashua, NH, where they worked 73 hour weeks in deafening, dangerous conditions, living regimented lives and being exposed to cotton-dust and infectious dis- eases due to the work. Now people didn't *HAVE* to buy the cheaper factory-made cloth. They were free to keep buying the home-made variety and support their local economy . . . . . . but (sorry for the cliche), ""it takes two to tango"". The big rich corporations achieved that wealth because we buy their stuff. It used to be the case that the business center of a town was also its social center. You KNEW the merchants you did business with or even local kids working behind the counter. You would see people on the street whom you knew and you could stop for a chat. Nowadays local merchants are going out of business and people shop at huge anonymous malls serving regional populations of hundreds of thousands or millions. You have no particular relationship with the companies you do business with, and feel no particular commitment to them, nor they to you. Major components of what defines a ""com- munity"" have been destroyed. On the other hand the products we buy at these malls are a lot cheaper due to economies of scale and foreign manufacture, and they are probably of better, or at least more consistent, quality. Don't blame the conservatives for this. Everyone makes their own individual choice and the liberals and the fence-sitters are just as guilty of pretending there are no social and cultural consequences to economic choices. ",talk.politics.misc 2552," Thank you, Steve. It is refreshing to have someone accuse me of being a Christian. I only hope enough evidence can be garnered to get a conviction. I am not certain what you mean by the ""fundy"" part as the term fundamentalist has a wide variety of uses. If you refer to those who actually believe Jesus is the Messiah and Son of God and wish to follow in his way, then I plead guilty. But what does it matter what I think. The Roman circus is over. The lions have been satisfied -- for now. The Emperor, after the long and gruelling struggle, sensed the crowd was tiring and gave thumbs down. With respect to my previous comments about David Koresh, I urge you to re-examine my previous posts. I believe you mistakenly assume that defense of Koresh' right to his own personal beliefs and his right to express them to others implies agreement with Koresh' theology. Actually I understand little about the details of Branch- Davidian teachings and regret so many are hung-up on that aspect of the tragic events of the past few days. Nor do I think Koresh' sex life should be of any interest to the federal government. Of course Hillary says he had been molesting infants so it must be true even though such allegations do not fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government; they are state and local matters and have been thoroughly reviewed at the local level by proper authorities with no successful charge having ever been levied against him. Under American law, he was innocent as Americans are presumed innocent until proven guilty. At least that's how it is suppposed to be. But he was demonized and propa- gandized against by a powerful machine to have him appear as a lustful beast and therefore deserving of every ill the fates might bring upon him. But evidence trickles in that the twenty-one children, who left the building in the early days of the siege, were carefully examined by qualified authorities for evidence of physical or sexual abuse and none was found. DeGuerin, one of the attorneys who met with Davidians several times before the conflagration, reported that the children seemed well adjusted and showed no sign of abuse. Ultimately, Steve, what I think about the heart of David Koresh is quite unimportant. Today he is in the benevolent hands of a most wise and merciful judge who will one day surely judge us all. So I withhold any judgment of David Koresh and defer to the One who has all knowledge. Meanwhile, let's clean up the mess left on earth and keep this from happening again by sending a strong message to the government to respect the inalienable rights of the people it serves. --Joe Gaut",talk.religion.misc 2553,"Hi all. I'm looking for datasets of a human body or head in any of the popular formats. I'm doing a presentation tomorrow which could be greatly enhanced by bringing in this 'human' factor. I've looked around the net with no sucess so far. Anyone got any ideas? I'd also appreciate info on the location of datasets for the USS Enterprise (any model) Thanks in advance, Ronan ",comp.graphics 2554," It is indeed nice to have fans that are concerned about the dearth of disputatious dissertation linked to my hiatus. Have simply been too damned busy lately to keep you lads and lassies entertained. You can be sure, however, that I will somehow manage to find time to woof if the Leafs give just cause. And let's all try to keep people's names (especially mine) out of the subject headers. I, for one, neither seek nor enjoy such a cheap form of notoriety. One thing you can be assured of, however, is this: the Leafs are the best of all the teams in the league that have allowed 12 goals in 2 games. -- ",rec.sport.hockey 2555," ...execellent examples of Luther's insane rantings deleted... Gee, I'm *sooooo* surprised that they don't teach this part of his ideology in high schools today. ",alt.atheism 2556," Being a chronic HBsAg carrier does not necessarily mean the patient has chronic persistent anything. Persons who are chronic carriers may have no clinical, biochemical, or histologic evidence of liver disease, or they may have chronic persistent hepatitis, chronic active hepatitis, cirrhosis, or hepatocellular carcinoma. Most cases of chronic persistent hepatitis (CPH) are probably the result of a viral infection, although in a good number of cases the cause cannot be determined. The diagnosis of CPH is made on the basis of liver biopsy. It consists of findings of portal inflammation, an intact periportal limiting plate, and on occasion isolated foci of intralobular necrosis. But in contrast to chronic active hepatitis (CAH) there is no periportal inflammation, bridging necrosis, or fibrosis. CPH has, indeed, an excellent prognosis. If I had to choose between CAH and CPH there is no question I would also choose CPH. However, as David pointed out, the distinction between the two is not as neat as some of us would have it. The histology can sometimes be pretty equivocal, with biopsies showing areas compatible with both CPH and CAH. Maybe it is a sampling problem. Maybe it is a continuum. I don't know. =================================",sci.med 2557,"Here follows a headerless (my editing) email message in full (except for the header) sent to me by congruent corporation today. I received it about 5 minutes ago, and still haven't read it. Have fun. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Product Overview Allows Existing Unix/X Applications to be hosted on Windows NT Includes Common X Support Clients Supports X Terminals Provides Multiuser NT Facilitates Porting Unix/X Applications to Window NT BSD Behavior X Programming Libraries Target Market Customers With Unix/X Applications Who Want To Standardize On Windows NT Allows Hosting On Windows NT With Minimal Effort Permits X Clients On Single Windows NT System To Support Multiple Users X Servers Can Be X Terminals, Unix Based, NT Based, Windows Based BSD Library Behavior Minimize Unix Porting Effort Layered Above Standard C Libraries/WINSOCK NT Registry Path/Drive Replacement BSD Include File Layout True Berkeley Sockets Supplies Common BSD Functions Missing From NT X Programming Libraries Complete X.V11R5 Libraries Motif Widget Libraries Motif UIL Registry Based X Configuration Locator Direct to Windows GDI via ""local socket"" winnt:0 X Support Applications Includes Full Set Of X Client Applications Motif Window Manager (MWM) Multiuser NT Capabilities NtNixTerm: Special Adaptation of Xterm Special NT Hosted Command Shell Provides LOGNAME, HOME facilities Multiple Users on Multiple X Servers Can Simultaneously Access Single NT System X Terminal Support BOOTP to Boot X Terminals TFTPD For Font Loading Font Server For Scaled X Fonts XRemote for Serial SLIP X info@com.congruent (Congruent Information) -- snail@lsl.co.uk ",comp.windows.x 2558," Matt's problem is really more ability than attitude. It isn't that he's got it in his mind that he wants to swing away, but rather that he's (still) a total sucker for the curve ball. It looked for a while in 1990 that he was getting better but it's still his weak point. As to whether it does him any good to have Bonds behind him, the net.stat.mavens will probably tell you there's no reason that it should, but if he thinks it will, it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy. As to whether the Giants' lineup is optimal: who knows? Batting Bonds, the team's best hitter, fifth does seem to be odd, but the #1 and #2 hitters aren't exactly Messrs. OBA, so they aren't giving much up there. And although Clark isn't the overall offensive force that Bonds is, he seems better suited to the #3 spot. Assuming, of course, that he starts hitting one of these days... ",rec.sport.baseball 2559," I get regular questions about gamma correction since I go to great pains to deal with it properly in xli (the image loader program I maintain). Here is an explanation I often use to answer these questions. This might be suitable for inclusion in the FAQ. Graeme Gill. ########################################################################### ""A note on gamma correction and images"" Author: Graeme W. Gill graeme@labtam.oz.au Date: 93/5/16 ""What is all this gamma stuff anyway ?"" -------------------------------------- Although it would be nice to think that ""an image is an image"", there are a lot of complications. Not only are there a whole bunch of different image formats (gif, jpeg, tiff etc etc), there is a whole lot of other technical stuff that makes dealing with images a bit complicated. Gamma is one of those things. If you've ever downloaded images from BBS or the net, you've probably noticed (with most image viewing programs) that some images look ok, some look too dark, and some look too light. ""Why is this ?"" you may ask. This, is gamma correction (or the lack of it). Why do we need gamma correction at all ? -------------------------------------- Gamma correction is needed because of the nature of CRTs (cathode ray tubes - the monitors usually used for viewing images). If you have some sort of real live scene and turn it into a computer image by measuring the amount of light coming from each point of the scene, then you have created a ""linear"" or un-gamma-corrected image. This is a good thing in many ways because you can manipulate the image as if the values in the image file were light (ie. adding and multiplying will work just like real light in the real world). Now if you take the image file and turn each pixel value into a voltage and feed it into a CRT, you find that the CRT _doesn't_ give you an amount of light proportional to the voltage. The amount of light coming from the phosphor in the screen depends on the the voltage something like this: Light_out = voltage ^ crt_gamma So if you just dump your nice linear image out to a CRT, the image will look much too dark. To fix this up you have to ""gamma correct"" the image first. You need to do the opposite of what the CRT will do to the image, so that things cancel out, and you get what you want. So you have to do this to your image: gamma_corrected_image = image ^ (1/crt_gamma) For most CRTs, the crt_gamma is somewhere between 1.0 and 3.0. If that is all it is, why does it seem so complicated ? ----------------------------------------------------- The problem is that not all display programs do gamma correction. Also not all sources of images give you linear images (Video cameras or video signals in general). Because of this, a lot of images already have some gamma correction done to them, and you are rarely sure how much. If you try and display one of those images with a program that does gamma correction for you, the image gets corrected twice and looks way to light. If you display one of those images with a program that doesn't do gamma correction, then it will look vaguely right, but not perfect, because the gamma correction is not exactly right for you particular CRT. Whose fault is all this ? ----------------------- It is really three things. One is all those display programs out there that don't do gamma correction properly. Another is that most image formats don't specify a standard gamma, or don't have some way or recording what their gamma correction is. The third thing is that not many people understand what gamma correction is all about, and create a lot of images with varying gamma's. At least two file formats do the right thing. The Utah Graphics Toolkit .rle format has a semi-standard way of recording the gamma of an image. The JFIF file standard (that uses JPEG compression) specifies that the image to be encoded must have a gamma of 1.0 (ie. a linear image - but not everyone obeys the rules). Some image loaders (for instance xli - an X11 image utility) allow you to specify not only the gamma of the monitor you are using, but the individual gamma values of image you are trying to view. Other image viewers (eg. xv another X11 image program) and utilities (eg. the pbm toolkit) provide ways of changing the gamma of an image, but you have to figure out the overall gamma correction yourself, allowing for undoing any gamma correction the image has, and then the gamma correction you need to suite your CRT monitor. [ Note that xv 2.21 doesn't provide an easy way of modifying the gamma of an image. You need to adjust the R, G and B curves to the appropriate gamma in the ColEdit controls. Altering the Intensity in the HSV controls doesn't do the right thing, as it fails to take account of the effect gamma has on H and S. This tends to give a tint to the image. ] How can I figure out what my viewer does, or what gamma my screen has ? --------------------------------------------------------------------- The simplest way to do that is to try loading the file chkgamma.jpg (provided with xli distribution), which is a JFIF jpeg format file containing two grayscale ramps. The ramps are chosen to look linear to the human eye, one using continuous tones, and the other using dithering. If your viewer does the right thing and gamma corrects images, then the two ramps should look symmetrical, and the point at which they look equally bright should be almost exactly half way from the top to the bottom. (To find this point it helps if you move away a little from the screen, and de-focus your eyes a bit.) If your viewer doesn't do gamma correction, then left hand ramp will have a long dark part and a short white part, and the point of equal brightness will be above the center. If your viewer does have a way of setting the right amount of gamma correction for a display, then if the equal brightness point is above center increase the gamma, and decrease it if it is below the center. The value will usually be around 2.2 [with xli for instance, you can adjust the display gamma with the -dispgamma flag, and once you've got it right, you can set the DISPLAY_GAMMA environment variable in your .profile] How do I figure out what the gamma of an image is ? ------------------------------------------------- This is the most tricky bit. As a general rule it seems that a lot of true color (ie. 24 bit, .ppm .jpg) images have a gamma of 1.0 (linear), although there are many about that have some gamma correction. It seems that the majority of pseudo color images (ie. 8 bit images with color maps - .gif etc.) are gamma corrected to some degree or other. If your viewer does gamma correction then linear images will look good, and gamma corrected images will look too light. If your viewer doesn't do gamma correction, then linear images will look too dark, and gamma corrected images will ok. Why Linear images are sometimes not such a good thing ----------------------------------------------------- One of the reason that many high quality formats (such as Video) use gamma correction is that it actually makes better use of the storage medium. This is because the human eye has a logarithmic response to light, and gamma correction has a similar compression characteristic. This means images could make better use of 8 bits per color (for instance), if they used gamma correction. The implication though, is that every time you want to do any image processing you should convert the 8 bit image to 12 or so linear bits to retain the same accuracy. Since little popular software does this, and none of the popular image formats can agree on a standard gamma correction factor, it is difficult to justify gamma corrected images at the popular level. If some image formats can standardize on a particular gamma, and if image manipulation software takes care to use extra precision when dealing with linearized internal data, then gamma corrected distribution of images would be a good thing. (I am told that the Kodak PhotoCD format for instance, has a standard gamma correction factor that enables it to get the highest quality out of the bits used to hold the image).",comp.graphics 2560,"FOR SALE: Apple Macintosh LC; 2 MB RAM, 40 MB HDD, FDD. AppleColor 13"" Hi-Res RGB Monitor. Keyboard, Mouse, Microphone, & Kensington MasterPiece Mac II. Running System 7. All documentation and manuals. Symantec GreatWorks 1.00 & Mac Tools Deluxe 1.2 loaded on HDD. All disks and manuals included. All hardware in MINT condition, used a total of 60 minutes. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this system, I just can't get used to a MAC after using a PC. $800 + shipping costs (non-negotiable). Also, as an *option* only to the person who purchases the above: Apple StyleWriter Printer with Accessory Kit. Brand new, NEVER used, in factory-sealed carton. $200 + shipping costs. Reply via e-mail to and leave phone number (fast) or call 313-552-1769 (24-hr. voice mail) (FASTER). Serious inquiries only, please. First come, first served. (This ad was originally posted to this conference a couple of weeks ago, but the first ""buyer"" couldn't finance the purchase and I accidentally killed all other replies. Sorry.) ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2561,"I have a few the original IBM 10Mb harddisks for sale. They are actually Seagate's ST412, MFM, full height, has the IBM logo and black face plate. Each disk is checked and formatted with DOS 5.0. It can be doubled to 20Mb or so with dblspace or stacker if you so desire. Have the original IBM foam fitted boxies and anti-static bags. I am not sure if they were ever used, but each drive that is sent out will be quarenteed in good working order. $30 each plus shipping cost, (about $5), ",misc.forsale 2562," vamilliron: Yes, Intel's PCI is (another) Local Bus standard, which can be used for graphics, although I believe Local Buses can be used for other things, too. As far as I know, though, PCI Local Bus would compete with VESA Local Bus, not the VESA graphics standard, but others more enlightened might be able to shed more light on this matter. ",comp.graphics 2563," Actually, the record of the Allies activities, in the face of incontrovertible evidence as to what the Nazis (may they rot in hell) were doing, clearly points to the conclusion that they would have done nothing. The railways to the camps were not bombed, despite the ease of doing so. The US, the ""place of refuge"" allowed in a bare pittance of Jews from Europe, primarily for public relations, so that the government could say it was ""doing something"". Many ships with refugees were turned away from US shores; some found refuge in Cuba or South America, many others sunk or had to return to Europe (with predictable consequences). The hope today is that we have collectively learned a lesson, and are less complacent to ignore other countries' ""internal affairs"". The sad reality is that this does not seem to be the case. ",talk.politics.mideast 2564," ",None 2565," Hey don't confuse these guys with facts dude! You might break some beautiful illusions! Of course by BATF admits this they mean that the BATF did not deny some post by a pro-Koresh/gun lobby person some time back. If anyone wants to understand the paranoid mindset of Koresh I offer you talk.politics.guns. There you can dredge the sewers of minds so hung up on power and ego trips that they bend reality arround their own particular set of beleifs. I long ago gave up arguing the case for arms control directly. Instead I invite people to ask themselves, would you want to be in a room full of the occupants of talk.politics.guns, their personal armouries and attempt to enter a discussion with them? ",talk.politics.misc 2566," Not true. Only an observer at rest at infinite distance from the black hole will see the particle take infinite time to reach the horizon. In the particle's own reference frame, it takes a very finite time to reach the horizon and the singularity. The math does indeed predict this. Take a look at Mitchner, Thorne, and Wheeler's _Gravitation_. Peter Walker",alt.atheism 2567," Sorry, I still don't buy it. You're certainly right that the runner is not out merely for running out of the baseline: he must interfere with the play. But the argument here is over what constitutes interference. You certainly cannot infer from what you've quoted that the batter-runner must be hit by the ball to be guilty of interference: you haven't posted a definition of interference at all. IMO this calls for one of the ""approved ruling[s]"" that go in small print in the rulebook. Something like: APPROVED RULING: If in the judgement of the umpire the runner, by running to the left of the allowed path, caused the fielder to make a bad throw, blocks the vision of the fielder receiving the throw, or otherwise impedes the defensive team's making a play on him, the batter-runner shall be judeged guilty of interference. or APPROVED RULING: The runner cannot be judged guilty of interference in the unless he makes contact with a fielder or is hit by the thrown ball. -- In the absence of such an approved ruling I claim that this is a poor rules trivia question--since it cannot be authoritatively answered.",rec.sport.baseball 2568," Considering the magnitude of loss of life in both the Moro Castle and Titanic disasters, I can't believe you can be so blithe there fred. Besides if a LNG tanker breaks up in a close harbor, you can kiss off quite a lot of population. same thing for any chemical tankers. I know the coast guard makes mandatory safety equipment checks on all watercraft. they use this as an excuse to make narcotics searches, without warrants. I suspect, that commercial craft need a certificate at least similiar in scope to an air worthiness certificate from the DOT.",sci.space 2569," here they are $25 for ERC and $50 for MSF. and no the state doesn't subsidize ours at all. we do. $1 for every motorcycle endorsed license. ",rec.motorcycles 2570," Only if he was a ""true motorcyclist with the real riding attitude."" As you probably are aware, there is a sure-fire rec.moto test for this attribute. Why? You think (s)he's worried about road-rash?",rec.motorcycles 2571," Think we can lose the sci.image.processing group from this thread, folks? Thanks bunches. spl",sci.med 2572," Well, almost NuBUS 90 anyway, comprehensive bus contention between processors is not supported in the current Macintoshes, could be wrong? However, I know for a fact from seeing the Cyclone Data Spec sheets myself, don't ask, Macintosh Cyclone models will provide full implementation of the NuBUS standard. Very interesting possibilities indeed! ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2573," Of course you can. You just have to be careful about what conclusions you draw. Huh? The 20's and 30's were the *worst* decades for great pitching. Grove, Vance, Dean, and not a whole lot else. As for the best all-around hitters, stat-wise, Ruth, Gehrig, Foxx, Greenberg, Hornsby, Cobb, etc. all played before the 40's. Stat-wise, the 60's were a graveyard for hitters. How do you know? Which ones do you consider great? So? Sheffield also has better shoes. More time between pitches. You can run the comparison, but there are *lots* of things to take into account. Well, can we compare them or can't we? Why? We can compare players to the *standard* of their era; and we can keep in mind era-to-era differences without throwing up our hands in despair. You haven't shown us what's *un*reasonable about the MAntle-Sheffield comparison that you yourself did.",rec.sport.baseball 2574," Will someone please post the David Sternlight FAQ to alt.privacy.clipper before someone unfamiliar with him takes him seriously and starts yet another flame fest?",sci.crypt 2575," They've been out of busines for years. Not any more. About 2 years ago they all closed. When Ramco/Electronics city closed, it took weeks and many dumpsters to clear everything out (so I heard). There are a few places that sell connectors and phone wires, but no chips, capacitors or discrete stuff. Sylvan/Wellington is still on Broadway and Canal, but they're not cheap, and not surplus. It's mostly a TV repairman's store. -- Jeffrey Jonas jeffj@panix.com -- Jeffrey Jonas",sci.electronics 2576,"Has someone scanned in an artist's rendering of Aurora? If so, is the GIF available somewhere? Please reply via email. Thanks, Craig",sci.space 2577," In Shreveport, back when I was riding the Purple Water Buffalo, I jumped an intersection IN FRONT OF A COP who was waiting for the light! The side of the street he was on was hidden buy a building on the corner and I didn't see him till I was airborne in the middle of the intersection. I was parked, had my helment off and my liscence out before he turned the corner. He chewed my ass out and let me go! I will be the first to admit it was a very squidly thing to do, jumping the intersection like that. The cop should have nailed me. I find that if you are polite, respectfull and honest, they will normaly let you get away with a LOT of stuff. P.S. The shock mounts folded up the next day. I guess I deserved that! ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----",rec.motorcycles 2578,"I use a Nanao 20"" Multisync and switch between a Windows 1024x768 and a Sparc 1+ display. Works quite well at these resolutions. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael C. Busby | Unix System Support System Engineer, Sr. | Design Environment/Automation Compaq Computer Corporation | Internet: mcb@compaq.com P.O. Box 692000 m/s 050701 | Uunet: uunet!cpqhou!michaelb Houston, Texas, USA 77269-2000 | Phone: 713-374-5638 ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2579," A good source of information on Burzynski's method is in *The Cancer Industry* by pulitzer-prize nominee Ralph Moss. Interesting. What book got Moss the pulitzer nomination? None of the flyers for his books mention this, and none of the Cancer Chronicle Newsletters that I have mention this either. Also, a non-profit organization called ""People Against Cancer,"" which was formed for the purpose of allowing cancer patients to access information regarding cancer therapies not endorsed by the cancer industry, but which have shown highly promising results (all of which are non-toxic). Moss is People Against Cancer's Director of Communications. People Against Cancer seems to offer pretty questionable information, not exactly the place a cancer patient should be advised to turn to. Most (maybe all) of the infomation in their latest catalogue concern treatments that have been shown to be ineffective against cancer, and many of the treatments are quite dangerous as well. sdb",sci.med 2580," 486DX2/66 is faster for this if you are using DOS. PC Mag reviewed a bunch of 486DX2/66 and a 486DX50 and the486DX2/66 was faster... THe review was in the last month of two. Guy",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2581," and didn't you also say that it was easier to add masses than to add balance shafts? the sad truth is that some makers don't bother to put balance shafts on their big shaky 4's.. how about: 1 3 __ __ | | | | __| | | | __ | | | | |__| |__| 2 4 if this is ridiculous, kindly explain why.. it's been more than 10 years since i studied this stuff. :-) the point that they are trying to make is that while everybody settles for the orthodox inline 4, they are using a horizontally opposed 4, which is unique in that market segment. and porsche also uses a flat six in their 911, so what's the problem? i don't see any claim that their engine is as good as a porsche's.. they are simply pointing out that they use the same configuration as a porsche.. if you want to nitpick ad campaigns, i think there are far more blatant excesses than this. ",rec.autos 2582,"I`ve been happy with aXe under Linux. Now I wanted to use it under HP-UX, too. However, my attempts have ended in core dumps this far (Bus Error). Has anybody else been more successful? Jim Wight`s INSTALL file does say there have been problems with HP`s... Data: aXe 5.0; HP-UX 9.01; X11R4 or X11R5 doesn`t seem to matter (shared libs); HP 9000/720. Thanks in advance, ",comp.windows.x 2583,"As the title says...Does anyone know of a Text editor (like notepad) that can handle large text files?....Thanx for any and all help! ________________________________________________________________________",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2584,"Hello, i'm looking for a Driver for an IBM 3852-2 Color Ink Jet Printer. Any pointers are welcome. thanks in advance Ralf ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2585,"I have replaced the osz to 66 MHz yesterday and no truble at all. My Quadra now works at 33 MHz stable for more than 14 hours. I have also tried a 70 MHz osz, but after 1/2 hour my Quadra 700 died. I am not sure what was the reason for that, but it is to risky to run it to fast. Most of your Quadras 700 should work at 33 MHz without any problems. But a safety tip do a backup from your harddisk befor you start to upgrade. During my 35 MHz test I damaged my harddisk and had a hardtime to get it working again. So once again do a backup befor you start!!!!!!!!! Now the speedometer results after replacing the osz. Speedometer Report for menes rainer. Prepared April 22, 1993. Machine Record Version #: 5 User Comment: Quadra 700 33Mhz and Ram Disk 20 MByte RAM + 2 MByte VRAM System Information: Computer: Mac Quadra 700 CPU: MC68040 FPU: Integral FPU MMU: Integral MMU Color Quickdraw: 2.30 (32 Bit QD) System Version: 7.1.6 Finder Version: D1-7.1 AppleTalk Version: 57 LaserWriter Version: D1-7.1.2 Laser Prep Version: Not Found ImageWriter Version: D1-7.0.1 ROM Version: $067C ROM Size: 1024 Bit Depth: 1 Horizontal DPI: 72 Vertical DPI: 72 Primary Screen Size: 832 x 624 Physical RAM: 20480K Logical RAM: 20454K P.R. Results (Uses Mac Classic as 1.0): CPU: 21.625 Graphics: 30.052 Disk: 28.351 Name of Hard Disk tested: RAM Disk Math: 135.128 Performance Rating (PR): 36.848 Benchmark Results (Uses Mac Classic as 1.0): KWhetstones: 1500.000 205.479 Dhrystones: 26315.789 27.008 Towers: 24.960 QuickSort: 22.391 Bubble Sort: 23.823 Queens: 24.105 Puzzle: 28.804 Permutations: 26.523 Fast Fourier: 167.728 F.P. Matrix Multiply: 154.452 Integer Matrix Multiply: 30.250 Sieve: 25.602 Benchmark Average: 63.427 FPU Tests (Uses Mac II as 1.0): @@FFPU Fast Fourier: 14.636 FPU KWhetstones: 5454.545 7.636 FPU F.P. Matrix Mult.: 14.333 FPU Test Average: 12.202 Color Tests (Uses Mac II as 1.0): Black & White: 6.395 4 Colors: 6.773 16 Colors: 6.957 256 Colors: 7.016 Color Test Average: 6.785 Very interesting are the graphics results (Graphics 30.052) couldn't belief this, but it is true. Two points which my cause problems are the 4 MByte Ram solder on the board. The are only 80ns Rams and run at the upperlimit with 33 MHz. The next part which may cause trouble are the Video Rams. I have the orignal 100ns VRAMs from Apple in my Quadra, here you are also at the upperlimit where most of the chips running but it isn't garantied to run. Most of the other parts on the Quadra board running on there o wn clockspeed so they wont make truble. The most importaned question is do I neat a new heat sink. I would say NO. After running my Quadra for more than 14 hours the heat sink is really cool. A 33 MHz 486 with heat sink is mutch warmer than the 68040 in the Quadra, so I didn't see any problems. The room temperatur was 22 Celsius (72 F). If you living in a area were it is hot 100 F (45 C) and your room temperatur is not mutch below I would suggest a new heat sink with a ventilator to stay on the safe side. Hope you will have the same success than I had, Rainer",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2586," As I read the current wiretap law, it would not be legal now. On the other hand, assuming a legislative change, recording but not decrypting Clipper conversations would probably be found constitutional by the Supreme Court, using the same reasoning (or the lack thereof...) by which they permit random roadblocks to check for drunk drivers. Incidentally, if we use that as our model, the Court will likely not uphold selective recording. (On the other hand, I don't think they've thrown out ``drug courier profiles'' yet. Must be that exception to the Fourth Amendment that I can never find in my copy of the Bill of Rights.) A lot -- and I mean a *lot* -- will depend on exactly how Clippertaps (or Tipperclaps, for encrypted music?) are used. Don Alvarez showed in the latest RISKS digest that it's possible to prevent the cops from reading traffic after their warrant expires.",sci.crypt 2587,"In order to have formulate a rational position on what cryptography policies are acceptable, we must set forth a list of basic requirements. I would propose the following as a starting point: 1. The algorithm must be publicly known, and must have a record of surviving attempts by outside experts to find weaknesses. 2. The system implementation must make it possible to verify that the advertised algorithm is, in fact, the one that is being used. 3. The key must be quickly changeable by the user, and must be of a sufficient length and complexity to defeat any brute-force search possible now or in the reasonably near future.",sci.crypt 2588," I know it's very trendy nowadays to dump on Morris, but let's give credit where credit is due. It is doubtful that the blue jays would have won the AL east without Morris. Last year, when the team went 13-15 for the month of August, and all the other starters were being shelled, and Milwaukee was making a charge, Morris went 5-1 with a pretty good era (I can't remember exactly). Also, let's not underestimate the importance his 240+ innings to save the bullpen every fifth day. If he didn't help us win the AL east, forget about the pennent and the world series. His run support was high (5.98 runs) but so was Stottlemyer's (5.90 runs) and he won only 12 games. I do remember Morris winning an inordinate number of 6-5 and 8-6 ballgames, but this is to his credit. He pitched only as good as he needed to be. When he was up 6-1 in a ballgame, he just put it in cruise control and threw the ball up there and let the batters ""get themseleves out"" (I hate this expression!). An inexperienced pitcher would wear himself out trying to make perfect pitches to keep his era down. But Morris, being a veteran pitcher, knows that winning is the only thing that really matters in baseball. By saving himself, he was able to reach back for that little extra (I hate this too!) when the game was on the line. Yes Morris is crapping out big time this year, but let's not change history to suit the present. BTW, I think he should be put in the bullpen; it would be embarrassing a veteran pitcher which Cito would never do, but his era is 17+, how much more can he be embarrassed? ditto! ",rec.sport.baseball 2589," Gaining entry into heaven cannot be done without first being cleansed by the blood of Jesus. Sin cannot dwell in heaven. It is against the natural laws of God. Being converted to christianity means being baptized by the Holy Spirit. You cannot get to heaven by good works only. Because of the union with the holy spirit, the man's behavior will change. If there is true union he will not desire to be homosexual. Fornication and homosexuality will leave your life if you are truly baptized by the holy spirit. It's not to say that we don't stumble now and then. ",soc.religion.christian 2590," I don't think that idea means what you think it does. Having everyone on Earth subject to some ad agency's ""poor taste"" *is* an abomination. (abomination : n. loathing; odious or degrading habit or act; an object of disgust. (Oxford Concise Dictionary)) Maybe *you* don't mind having every part of your life saturated with commercials, but many of us loathe it. I'd rather not have the beauty of the night sky always marred by a giant billboard, and I'll bet the idea is virtually sacrilegious to an astronomer like Sagan.",sci.space 2591,"Throughout the years of the Israel/Arab-Palestinian conflict, the internal Palestinian popultation has found itself essentially relegated to the lower tiers of the economy. Given the major kinds of positions required by the Israeli and the ""Palestinian"" economy, there are essentially two different ones existing side by side aren't holding down many of the "" skilled"" positions. So, when Gaza has to operate on its own, there are few residents trained to fill the need for middle and upper management.",talk.politics.mideast 2592,"Makes sense to me, after all when steel is manufactured and stored they put oil on it so it won't rust. Logicaly, when you store your bike, you must strip the paint and put oil on the metal to prevent rus ",rec.motorcycles 2593,"[[ I posted this a few weeks back, but all I got back was an error message ""pnews: /dev/null: Permission denied"". Yep, /dev/null had a mode of 600. (Arrghhh!!) ]] With renewed interest in ""setting the DISPLAY variable"", etc.. I thought I would post my contribution. This Perl script is my solution. It trys to be intelligent about what it's doing so that you should be able to type ""rx host.domain.etc"", and get a xterm running on ""host.domain.etc"", with all the difficult stuff taken care of. In theory, this program can do *everything* you ever wanted to do when you wanted to run a remote command in the background - it doesn't even need to be an X program. Try a ""rx big-machine make"" for instance, for a backgrounded make on the remote ""big-machine"". For more details and a full list of features read the README file, about 20 lines below... All comments welcome. Duncan. #! /bin/sh # This is a shell archive. Remove anything before this line, then unpack # it by saving it into a file and typing ""sh file"". To overwrite existing # files, type ""sh file -c"". You can also feed this as standard input via # unshar, or by typing ""sh 'README' <<'END_OF_FILE' X X Glasgow RX - remote execution of X programs. Version 3.1.7 X XCopyright 1992 Duncan Sinclair X XTrivial to install, but there's an Imakefile to make it even more trivial. X XThe perl script needs some customisation before it is installed, just Xedit the ""rx.pl"" file, and read the comments. Once you've done Xthis you can ""xmkmf"", then ""make install install.man"". X XFEATURES: X X*) Does the right thing for off-site remote execution. Including X setting up $DISPLAY to include domain names, and passing X magic cookies, or doing the ""xhost"" stuff. X X*) Allow different remote user name. (rx -l user host ...) X X*) Smart quoting of arguments - makes passing wild-cards easy. X X*) Custom command execution - link it to ""remacs"" to get a remote X emacs command. X X*) Automatic xterm options - names the xterm according to hostname, X and turns on ""login shell"". X X*) Default command is xterm. X X*) Propagates X-ish env. variables to remote session - user may X extend the list of variables to pass. X X*) Special handling for bourne shell users. X X*) Tries to do remote execution from same directory as local. X That is, it propagates $PWD, in an intelligent manner. X X*) Logs errors in a file. X X*) Overall Intelligence (TM) - makes reasoned decisions about what X you are trying to do, and tries to ""do the right thing"". X X*) Written in Perl, for portability and hackability. X XFor more info, read the man page or the source. X END_OF_FILE if test 1442 -ne `wc -c <'README'`; then echo shar: \""'README'\"" unpacked with wrong size! fi # end of 'README' fi if test -f 'Imakefile' -a ""${1}"" != ""-c"" ; then echo shar: Will not clobber existing file \""'Imakefile'\"" else echo shar: Extracting \""'Imakefile'\"" \(370 characters\) sed ""s/^X//"" >'Imakefile' <<'END_OF_FILE' X# Glasgow RX Imakefile. X X PROGRAMS = rx X Xall:: $(PROGRAMS) X Xinstall:: safe X XInstallNamedProg(rx.pl,rx,$(BINDIR)) XInstallManPage(rx,$(MANDIR)) X Xinstall:: X $(RM) $(BINDIR)/rxterm X $(LN) $(BINDIR)/rx $(BINDIR)/rxterm X Xsafe: X @grep -s 'debug = 0' rx.pl || false X Xshar: safe X makekit -m -p X @-perl -pi -e ""s/sinclair@dcs.gla.ac.uk/sinclair@dcs.gla.ac.uk/;"" Part* X END_OF_FILE if test 370 -ne `wc -c <'Imakefile'`; then echo shar: \""'Imakefile'\"" unpacked with wrong size! fi # end of 'Imakefile' fi if test -f 'MANIFEST' -a ""${1}"" != ""-c"" ; then echo shar: Will not clobber existing file \""'MANIFEST'\"" else echo shar: Extracting \""'MANIFEST'\"" \(313 characters\) sed ""s/^X//"" >'MANIFEST' <<'END_OF_FILE' X File Name Archive # Description X----------------------------------------------------------- X README 1 Read me first X Imakefile 1 X MANIFEST 1 This shipping list X Makefile 1 X rx.man 1 X rx.pl 1 END_OF_FILE if test 313 -ne `wc -c <'MANIFEST'`; then echo shar: \""'MANIFEST'\"" unpacked with wrong size! fi # end of 'MANIFEST' fi if test -f 'Makefile' -a ""${1}"" != ""-c"" ; then echo shar: Will not clobber existing file \""'Makefile'\"" else echo shar: Extracting \""'Makefile'\"" \(10172 characters\) sed ""s/^X//"" >'Makefile' <<'END_OF_FILE' X# Makefile generated by imake - do not edit! 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X X PROGRAMS = rx X Xall:: $(PROGRAMS) X Xinstall:: safe X Xinstall:: rx.pl X @if [ -d $(DESTDIR)$(BINDIR) ]; then set +x; \ X else (set -x; $(MKDIRHIER) $(DESTDIR)$(BINDIR)); fi X $(INSTALL) -c $(INSTBINFLAGS) rx.pl $(DESTDIR)$(BINDIR)/rx X Xinstall.man:: rx.man X @if [ -d $(DESTDIR)$(MANDIR) ]; then set +x; \ X else (set -x; $(MKDIRHIER) $(DESTDIR)$(MANDIR)); fi X $(INSTALL) -c $(INSTMANFLAGS) rx.man $(DESTDIR)$(MANDIR)/rx.$(MANSUFFIX) X Xinstall:: X $(RM) $(BINDIR)/rxterm X $(LN) $(BINDIR)/rx $(BINDIR)/rxterm X Xsafe: X @grep -s 'debug = 0' rx.pl || false X Xshar: safe X makekit -m -p X @-perl -pi -e ""s/sinclair@dcs.gla.ac.uk/sinclair@dcs.gla.ac.uk/;"" Part* X X# ------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# common rules for all Makefiles - do not edit X Xemptyrule:: X Xclean:: X $(RM_CMD) ""#""* X XMakefile:: X -@if [ -f Makefile ]; then set -x; \ X $(RM) Makefile.bak; $(MV) Makefile Makefile.bak; \ X else exit 0; fi X $(IMAKE_CMD) -DTOPDIR=$(TOP) -DCURDIR=$(CURRENT_DIR) X Xtags:: X $(TAGS) -w *.[ch] X $(TAGS) -xw *.[ch] > TAGS X Xsaber: X # load $(ALLDEFINES) $(SRCS) X Xosaber: X # load $(ALLDEFINES) $(OBJS) X X# ------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# empty rules for directories that do not have SUBDIRS - do not edit X Xinstall:: X @echo ""install in $(CURRENT_DIR) done"" X Xinstall.man:: X @echo ""install.man in $(CURRENT_DIR) done"" X XMakefiles:: X Xincludes:: X X# ------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# dependencies generated by makedepend X END_OF_FILE if test 10172 -ne `wc -c <'Makefile'`; then echo shar: \""'Makefile'\"" unpacked with wrong size! fi # end of 'Makefile' fi if test -f 'rx.man' -a ""${1}"" != ""-c"" ; then echo shar: Will not clobber existing file \""'rx.man'\"" else echo shar: Extracting \""'rx.man'\"" \(3551 characters\) sed ""s/^X//"" >'rx.man' <<'END_OF_FILE' X.TH RX 1 ""4 March 1993"" ""X Version 11"" X.SH NAME Xrx,rxterm,r* - remote command, xterm, anything execution X.SH SYNOPSIS X.B rx X[ X.B \-l X.I username X] X.I host X[ X.I command X] X.br X.B rxterm X[ X.B \-l X.I username X] X.I host X[ X.IR args .\|.\|. X] X.SH DESCRIPTION XThe X.B rx Xprogram connect to the specified X.I host Xand executes the specified X.I command Xin the background, returning immediately. To allow the execution Xof X programs, it copies a number of environmental variables to Xthe remote session. If you omit X.IR command , Xthen rx will start an xterm on the remote host. The X.B rxterm Xvarient starts a remote xterm on a host, and also passes X.I args Xto the remote xterm as arguments. X.PP XShell metacharacters which are not quoted are interpreted on the local Xmachine, while quoted metacharacters are interpreted on the remote Xmachine. X.PP XIf the name of the file from which X.B rx Xis executed is anything other than ``rx,'' X.B rx Xtakes this name, stripped on a leading ``r'' as the command Xto run on the remote host, using any X.I command Xparameters as arguments for the remote command. X.PP XIf X.B rx Xthinks you are using X.B xauth Xbased X authorisation, and you are calling to a off-site host, or Xto a different username, it will attempt to copy an authorization Xkey to the remote account. Otherwise it will try to use X.B xhost(1) Xto grant access to the remote host. X.SH OPTIONS X.TP X.BI \-l "" username"" XUse X.I username Xas the remote username instead of your local username. In the absence Xof this option, the remote username is the same as your local username. X X.SH ENVIRONMENT XIf set, the values of PATH, DISPLAY, XENVIRONMENT, XAPPLRESDIR, XXFILESEARCHPATH, XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, OPENWINHOME, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, Xand XAUTHORITY are exported to the remote program, unless the Xremote username is different, or the remote host is off-site, in which Xcase only DISPLAY is exported, with in all cases any variables named in the Xvariable RXENV. X.PP XThe DISPLAY variable is tweaked as appropriate, to contain as qualified Xa hostname as is needed. X.SH DIAGNOSTICS X.TP X.IB command "": don't recognise my name."" X.B rx Xcannot decode the name it has been called under. In this case Xit prints a warning message, and continues, as normal. X.TP X.B ""rx: usage: rx [-l username] hostname [args...]"" XThis means it could not decode the arguments given to it. X.SH AUTHOR XDuncan Sinclair , July 1992 X.br XOriginally based on a program with the same name from the X.B gwm Xdistribution. To distinguish this ""rx"" from other programs Xwith similar names, you should refer to this program as the X.B Glasgow X.BR rx . X.SH ""SEE ALSO"" XX(1), rsh(1), xterm(1), xauth(1), xhost(1), gwm(1) X.SH BUGS X.B Rx Xmakes a number of assumptions about the relationship between the Xlocal user, and the remote one, depending on whether the remote Xhost is onsite or not, and whether an alternative username was used Xor not. X.PP XIn particular, if either the locally used shell, or the remotely Xused shell is the standard Bourne Shell, X.B sh(1) Xthen strange things are more likely to happen. Especially when Xit's only one of them. X.PP XSometimes quoting can get messed up. X.PP XIt's too easy to fool the smarts in X.B rx Xto make it believe something that is not true, and fail because of it. X.PP XWhen X.B rx Xuses X.B xhost Xto grant access, the X.B xhost Xcommand may fail silently. X.PP XIf X.B rx Xtries to send to large a command to the remote machine, it will Xlikely fail with a parse error from csh. If this happens, you Xwill probably have to reduce the size of the exported environment. END_OF_FILE if test 3551 -ne `wc -c <'rx.man'`; then echo shar: \""'rx.man'\"" unpacked with wrong size! fi # end of 'rx.man' fi if test -f 'rx.pl' -a ""${1}"" != ""-c"" ; then echo shar: Will not clobber existing file \""'rx.pl'\"" else echo shar: Extracting \""'rx.pl'\"" \(9028 characters\) sed ""s/^X//"" >'rx.pl' <<'END_OF_FILE' X#! /usr/local/bin/perl X# CONFIG: change the line above to point to your copy of perl. X############################################################################## X# Glasgow RX version 3.1.7 X# X# Copyright 1992 Duncan Sinclair X# X# Last Modified: Early April 1993. X# X# Distribution limited, as per the usual MIT copyright. X############################################################################## X# remote execution of X programs. Based on a script in an old version of gwm. X# X# To install, put rx in your bin and make rxterm a link to it. X# Some configuration will be necessary, see ""CONFIG"" comments... X# X# More and more this is less and less like the original.... X# X# Major hacked to work for our(my) set up, and also partly X# re-written to work with sh, rather than ksh. X# X# Maybe I'll turn this into our first zsh script! X# X# Looks like it turned into a perl script at some point - big improvement. X############################################################################## X# This code tries to be intelligent in the way it works. This means there X# are tons of implicit assumptions about the environment it is run in. X# These assumptions are all valid on the machines I use, and in my X# environment. At the same time, I try to make as few assumptions as possible X# about the remote machine. Here's a list of all the more tricky ones... X# *) That the remote machine has csh. (Linux?) X# *) That $RSHELL = /bin/(k)?sh ==> remote shell = /bin/(k)?sh. (Make same.) X# *) If remote shell = sh, that $PATH is compatible. (Use csh, etc..) X# *) I pass a cookie to the remote machine if need be, but does it X# know what to do with a cookie. (eat it?) X# *) There must be others... X############################################################################## X# Why am I using csh to run the remote commands? Simply because it doesn't X# interact badly with rsh, and hang waiting for a file descriptor to X# be closed. I'd rather use zsh, or bash, or even perl, but they are not X# as universal as csh. X############################################################################## X# Xrequire ""stat.pl""; X# X# What we called? X# X$argv0 = $0 ; X$argv0 =~ s:.*/:: ; X# X# CONFIG: X# Change these variables to be your domain name, and a pattern that X# will match all variations on your domain name. You must include X# those leading dots!!! If your hostname includes your domain, see X# the code further down, marked ""XXX"" X# X$DOM = "".dcs.gla.ac.uk"" ; X$DOMPAT = ""\.dcs(\.gla(sgow)?(\.ac\.uk)?)?"" ; X# X# CONFIG: X# Change this to your value of BINDIR, or set the variable to """" if X# you think your users are smarter than that. X# X$XPATHS = ""/usr/X11/bin"" ; X# X# CONFIG: X# Make this the name of your ""remote shell"" command. X# X$RSH = ""rsh"" ; X# X# end of CONFIG X# X# Some variables we'll no doubt use sometime... X# X$usage = ""$argv0: usage: $argv0 [-l username] hostname [args...]\n"" ; X$RSHELL = (getpwuid($<))[8] || ""/bin/sh"" ; X$HOME = $ENV{""HOME""} || (getpwuid($<))[7] ; X$XAUTH = $ENV{""XAUTHORITY""} || $HOME . ""/.Xauthority"" ; X$LOGF = ""~/.rx.log"" ; X@STUFF = () ; X$debug = 0 ; X# X# Before anything else, close stdin. This might stop rx hanging X# due to rsh weirdness. X# Xclose(STDIN); X# X# do a ""-l"" flag... X# Xif ($ARGV[0] eq ""-l"") { X shift ; X $User = $ARGV[0] || die $usage ; X @LUser = (""-l"",$User) ; X shift ; X} X# X# Pick a host, any host... X# X$MACH = $ARGV[0] || die $usage ; Xshift ; X# X# Things to think about for the remote machine. X# X$MACH =~ s/$DOMPAT// ; X$OffSite = $MACH =~ /\./ ; X# X# Where am I? Seems we can't trust the dumb user to set HOSTNAME right! X# X#$HOSTNAME=$ENV{HOSTNAME} || `hostname` ; # Current Host X$HOSTNAME=`hostname` ; # Current Host X$HOSTNAME =~ s/\n// ; X# X# If all your hostnames include your domain, comment out the next line. X# Xif ( $OffSite ) { $HOSTNAME = $HOSTNAME . $DOM ; } # XXX X# X# Now we know where we are, and they are, are they different? X# X$Diff = $HOSTNAME ne $MACH ; X# X# What is the display going to be? X# !! Danger !! Heavy Regular expressions follow... X# This needs to be re-written to be modular and can so be extended to X# support resetting host:* to unix:*, as required. X# X$DISPLAY = $ENV{""DISPLAY""} || "":0.0"" ; X$DISPLAY =~ s/$DOMPAT// ; X$DISPLAY =~ s/^(unix)?(:\d(\.\d)?)$/$HOSTNAME$2/ if ($Diff) ; X$DISPLAY =~ s/^([^.]*)(:\d(\.\d)?)$/$1$DOM$2/ if ($OffSite) ; X$ENV{""DISPLAY""} = $DISPLAY ; X# X# Here comes the hard bit in sh. Quote our args. X# Also have to quote quotes. To cope with csh braindamage, X# quotes are quoted thus; ' -> '\'' X# So for an arg ""foo'bar"", we get ""'foo'\''bar'"". X# Xforeach (@ARGV) { X s#\'#\'\\\'\'#g ; X s#(.*)#\'$1\'# ; X} X# X# So what we doing? X# XPROG: { X if ($argv0 eq ""rx"") { last PROG ; } X if ($argv0 eq ""rxterm"") { X #unshift(@ARGV,""-ls"") if ($Diff) ; X unshift(@ARGV,""xterm"",""-ls"",""-n"",$MACH) ; X last PROG ; X } X if ($argv0 =~ /r(.*)/) { unshift(@ARGV,$1) ; last PROG ; } X warn ""$argv0: don't recognise my name."" ; X} X# X# If nothing else, become an rxterm. X# Xif (@ARGV == 0) { X #unshift(@ARGV,""-ls"") if ($Diff) ; X unshift(@ARGV,""xterm"",""-ls"",""-n"",$MACH) ; X} X# X# Some special considerations if we are not ourselves on the other side. X# Xif ($OffSite || $User) { X # X # We want to pass a cookie here. X # X if (-e $XAUTH) { X # X # This is going to be unsecure, as the cookie will appear in a number X # of command line args. But at least it'll work. X # This will need enhanced if we ever fix the code above to X # set DISPLAY to "":0.0"", when we return to the server. X # X $CooKie = `PATH=\$PATH:$XPATHS xauth list $DISPLAY` ; X chop($CooKie) ; X @CooKs = split(' ',$CooKie) ; X shift(@CooKs) ; X unshift(@STUFF,""xauth"",""add"",$DISPLAY,@CooKs,"";"") if (@CooKs == 2) ; X } else { X # X # Yuk. What a crock. I hate doing this. X # X system(""xhost +$MACH >/dev/null 2>/dev/null"") if ($Diff) ; X } X # X # We really only want to pass a value for $DISPLAY. X # X @VARS=(""DISPLAY"", split(' ',$ENV{""RXENV""})) ; X} else { X # X # Some variables we wish to export X # X @VARS=( X ""DISPLAY"", X ""XENVIRONMENT"", X ""XFILESEARCHPATH"", X ""XUSERFILESEARCHPATH"", X ""XAPPLRESDIR"", X ""OPENWINHOME"", X ""LD_LIBRARY_PATH"", X # ""MANPATH"", # for ""rxman"", and bourne shell users. X ""XAUTHORITY"", X split(' ',$ENV{""RXENV""}), X ) ; X # X # Braindead bourne shell, needs to be given a $PATH... X # We would rather not pass the current $PATH, because it might not work X # on the destination machine. I'd rather it was set by the user's X # remote shell during the rsh. X # Fortunately, all *my* X programs are in an arch independant place, and X # so it shouldn't cos a problem, locally. X # We check against $RSHELL, because they might be running another shell, X # differant from their login shell. I know, sounds weird, but it's too X # common round here. X # I've also included ksh in the brain-damage, cos I can't see an easy way X # to pass throught $ENV{""ENV""} without it being too late. (We only have X # one person who has ksh as a login shell anyway...) X # Oh, yeah.. we are assuming that if it's bourne shell here, then it's X # bourne shell there. Much more important than this is that it it ISNT X # bourne shell here, it better not be bourne shell there. X # X if ($RSHELL =~ m#/(k)?sh#) { push(@VARS,""PATH""); } X} X# X# Validate $PWD routine... X# Xsub validate_pwd { X local(@pwdstats, @dotstats); X local($pwd) = $_[0]; X X unless (defined($pwd)) { return undef; } ; X unless (@dotstats = stat(""."")) { return undef; } ; X unless (@pwdstats = stat($pwd)) { return undef; } ; X if (($pwdstats[$ST_DEV] != $dotstats[$ST_DEV]) || X ($pwdstats[$ST_INO] != $dotstats[$ST_INO])) { return undef; } ; X $pwd; X} X# X# Try and find a nice, valid, pwd. X# XPRESENT: { X if ($PWD = $ENV{""PWD""}) { X $FOOPWD = $PWD ; X $FOOPWD =~ s#(/tmp_mnt|/export)?/(.*)#/$2# ; X $PWD = &validate_pwd($FOOPWD) || &validate_pwd($PWD) ; X }; X unless ($PWD) { X chop($PWD = `pwd`) ; X $FOOPWD = $PWD ; X $FOOPWD =~ s#(/tmp_mnt|/export)?/(.*)#/$2# ; X $PWD = &validate_pwd($FOOPWD) || &validate_pwd($PWD) || $HOME; X } X} X$PWD =~ s#(.*)#\'$1\'# ; X# X# Try to find somewhere nice to live on the other side. X# Xunless ($OffSite) { X unshift(@STUFF,""test"",""-d"",$PWD,""&&"",""cd"",$PWD,"";""); X} X# X# Start building the full command. X# Xforeach $var (@VARS) { X ($val = $ENV{$var}) && X unshift(@STUFF,""setenv"",""$var"",""\'"".""$val"".""\'"","";"") ; X} X# X# Some commands to do on the other side... X# Xunshift(@STUFF,""set"",""nonomatch"","";""); # only if we are using csh. X# X# Build the remote command. X# X$REMOTE=(""(umask 077 ; (("".join("" "",@STUFF,@ARGV)."")&$LOGF &))"") ; X$REMOTE =~ s#\""#\\\""#g ; X$REMOTE = ""\"""" . $REMOTE . ""\"""" ; X# X# Build the arg list for the exec. X# X@COMM=($RSH,@LUser,""$MACH"",""csh"",""-fc"",$REMOTE) ; X# X# Do it! X# Xif ($debug) { X print ""@COMM\n"" ; X} else { X exec @COMM ; X} X# X# Rsh doesn't return any indication of how it went over X# on the other side, but that's OK, cos we aint going to X# wait around to see what happened. X# Xexit 0 ; X# X# tHe ENd END_OF_FILE if test 9028 -ne `wc -c <'rx.pl'`; then echo shar: \""'rx.pl'\"" unpacked with wrong size! fi chmod +x 'rx.pl' # end of 'rx.pl' fi echo shar: End of archive 1 \(of 1\). cp /dev/null ark1isdone MISSING="""" for I in 1 ; do if test ! -f ark${I}isdone ; then MISSING=""${MISSING} ${I}"" fi done if test ""${MISSING}"" = """" ; then echo You have the archive. rm -f ark[1-9]isdone else echo You still need to unpack the following archives: echo "" "" ${MISSING} fi ## End of shell archive. exit 0 ",comp.windows.x 2594,"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Editorial Contact: Single Source Marketing: Myra Manahan (714) 545-1338 Genoa Systems: Joseph Brunoli (408) 432-9090 Neil Roehm (408) 432-9090/Technical Genoa Presents High Performance Video Graphics Accelerator SAN JOSE, Calif USA -- Genoa Systems Corporation announces WINDOWSVGA 24, a True Color 24-bit graphics accelerator card that delivers up to 16.8 million colors at speeds faster than the competition. Plus it offers a full range of resolutions, high refresh rates as well as unique proprietary performance features. The card is available in both 16-bit ISA bus and 32-bit VESA Local bus versions (models 8500 AND 8500VL). With 1MB DRAM on board, the WINDOWSVGA 24 card offers maximum resolution up to 1,280 x 1,024 and supports a refresh rate of 72Hz at 800 x 600 and resolution up to 1,024 x 768 non-interlaced. Both models provide performance many times greater than standard SVGA boards, yet conform to all current video standards. WINDOWSVGA 24 features Genoa's FlickerFree(tm) technology, which eliminates screen flash and flicker to make viewing much more comfortable. the cards also come with Safescan(tm), a utility developed by Genoa to eliminate the black border around the screen and thereby provide 100-percent screen use for overscanning monitors. WINDOWSVGA model 8500VL takes full advantage of the speed offered by the new VESA Local bus technology. Most VL bus cards will only handle data transfers up to 33MHz, but the 8500VL will transfer data at the full speed of the CPU, up to 50MHz. Genoa is also offering this card in the ""TurboBahn"" combination packaged with their TURBOEXPRESS 486VL motherboard. Built around the Cirrus Logic GD-5426 GUI accelerator, WINDOWSVGA 24 offers the user an exceptional price/performance value. Genoa's advanced proprietary drivers act to ""turbocharge"" the chip, thereby providing an affordable accelerator card with power and performance that surpass many of the more highly priced chip cards. The Genoa user will enjoy optimal speed and reliability for such programs as Windows, AutoCAD, AutoShade, 3D Studio, OS/2, OrCAD and more. Driver updates and product bulletins are available on Genoa's BBS at (408) 943-1231. Genoa Systems manufactures and markets an extensive line of graphics adapters, motherboards, audio and multimedia cards for IBM-compatible personal computers. All products come with a two year limited warranty on parts and labor. Genoa products are currently distributed worldwide through authorized distributors, resellers, VARs and systems integrators. For more information contact Joe Brunoli, Marketing Manager, Genoa Systems at 75 E. Trimble Road, San Jose, Calif. 95131; Tel: (408) 432-9090 or (800) 934-3662; Fax: (408) 434-0997. ",comp.graphics 2595,"OK. Instead of holding an auction, I have decided to compute prices for each comic (after many suggestions). These are the most reasonable prices I can give (not negotiable). If you would like to purchase a comic (or group), simply email me with the title and issue #'s you want. The price for each issue is shown beside each comic. First come, first served!!! There is no more bidding. Meet my price and it is yours. I can be reached at this email address: 02106@chopin.udel.edu or 02106@ravel.udel.edu or 02106@bach.udel.edu or 02106@brahms.udel.edu NO MORE HAGGLING ABOUT THE PRICE!!!!!!!! LOTS OF COMICS FOR $1, $2, or $3 LOOK AT LIST!!!!! Shipping is $2 for 1-3 comics. For more than 3, the price will be determined by the volume of the purchase (I may have to use a big heavy box for large orders which costs more to mail). For all those who have bought comics from me, thanks!!! All comics are near mint unless otherwise noted (my books were graded by mile high comics and other comic professional collectors, not me!) Here is the list: *reserved* means that I have made a deal with a person and I am waiting for the check to arrive. *reserved* comics are as good as sold (sorry!) Incredible Hulk 156 (vs another Hulk) $3 195 $2 196 $2 246 (vs Captain Marvel) $1 248 $1 249 $1 250 (Double size issue vs Silver Surfer) $5 255 (vs Thor) $1 279 $1 300 $2 312 $2 313 $1 316 (vs Bi Coastal Avengers) $1 347 $1 *reserved* 348 $1 350 (vs Thing) $2 354 $1 358 $1 360 $1 362 (vs Werewolf By Night) $2 364 $1 365 $1 366 $1 *reserved* 379 (1 copy) $5 Punisher 50 $1 57 $2 Punisher War Journal 29 (Ghost Rider) $2 30 (Ghost Rider) $2 Punisher Armory 1 $4 2 $2 Original Ghost Rider Rides Again (Reprint) 1 $1 Ghost Rider (old series) 37 $3 *reserved* 43 (vs Johnny Blaze) $3 *reserved* 77 (2 copies, origin of GR dream) $4 each Ghost Rider (new series) 15 (1st print, Green glow in dark cover, 1 copy) $5 15 (2nd print, gold cover w/ glow cover) $3 Web of Spiderman 56 (2 copies) $2 each 60 $3 69 (vs Hulk, 1 copy left!!!) $2 70 (SpiderHulk, 1 copy left!!!) $2 71 $1 72 $1 78 $1 Deadly Foes of Spiderman 1 (2 copies) $2 each 2 $2 3 $2 Amazing Spiderman vs Dr. Octopus (special NACME issue) $2 Amazing Spiderman 350 (vs Dr. Doom, 1 copy LEFT!!!) $2 Spiderman (1990) 1 (silver, not bagged) $4 6 $3 7 $3 8 (2 copies) $2 each 9 (w/ Wolverine, 1 COPY LEFT!!!) $2 10 $2 11 $1 13 $5 16 $1 Enemy Ace Special #1 $2 New Warriors 1 (gold cover) $2 8 $4 Superman Man of Steel #1 $2 Superman (new) 53 (2 copies) $1 each 55 $1 56 $1 Adventures of Superman 479 $1 Annual #3 $1 Superman Annual #3 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Action Comics #666 $1 Avengers West Coast #69 (Hawkeye vs US Agent) $1 Batman 465 (Robin returns) $2 466 $1 467 $1 Annual #15 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $3 Captain America 230 (vs Hulk) $2 257 (vs Hulk) $1 Armegedon 2001 1 $4 2 $2 Foolkiller #1 $2 Infinity Gauntlet 1 $6 4 $3 5 $3 Double Dragon #1 $1 Deathlok (series) 2 $1 Transformers #80 (last issue) $2 Wonder Man 1 $1 2 $1 Flaming Carrot #25 (w/ Ninja Turtles) $2 The Comet #1 $1 Legend of the Shield #1 $1 Justice Society of America 1 $1 2 $1 3 $1 4 $1 Official movie mag from Turtles II movie (sealed w/ Jelloman comic) $5 Robin 1 (1 copies w/ poster) $3 1 (3rd print) $1 5 (6 copies) $1 each Guardians of the Galaxy 1 $6 2 $3 3 $2 4 $2 5 $2 6 $2 7 $2 8 $2 9 (2 copies) $3 each 10 $2 11 $2 12 $1 13 $3 14 $3 15 $1 16 $1 17 $1 18 (2 copies) $2 each Superman vs Amazing Spiderman (oversized issue from 70's) $7 *reserved* DarkHawk 1 (3 copies) $8 each 2 (2 copies) $6 each 3 $5 4 $4 5 $4 6 $3 7 $2 8 $2 9 $3 10 $1 Thor 246 $1 428 $1 429 (vs Juggernaut) $2 430 (w/ Ghost Rider) $1 431 $1 432 (Thor vs Loki, 2 copies) $3 each 433 (new Thor) $2 Annual #16 $1 What if.... 13 $1 23 $1 25 $2 26 $1 Alpha Flight 29 $1 51 $6 53 $6 94 (vs Fant. 4) $1 New Mutants 22 $2 100 (last issue, 1st look at X-Force, 1st print, 2 copies) $5 each 100 (2nd print, gold cover) $4 Flash (new) 43 $1 48 $1 49 $1 50 $2 51 $1 Annual #4 $1 Uncanny X-Men 191 $3 215 $2 255 (2 copies) $2 each 258 $6 275 (1 COPY LEFT 1st print) $6 275 (gold 2nd print) $3 276 $3 277 $3 278 $2 279 $2 280 $2 281 $3 282 $4 283 $6 Defenders 52 (Hulk vs Sub Mariner) $2 Fantastic Four 347 $4 348 $2 349 (3 copies) $2 each Wolverine 11 $3 *reserved* 20 $2 41 (w/ Cable, 2 copies) $6 each 42 $4 43 $3 Silver Surfer (1987) 1 $6 2 $3 3 $3 4 $3 5 $2 6 $2 8 $2 22 $2 24 $2 32 $2 49 $2 50 (Foil cover, only 1 copy left!!) $6 51 $2 52 $2 53 $1 54 $1 55 $1 56 $1 58 $2 59 $2 Avengers 326 $3 328 (origin of Rage) $3 X-Factor 40 $6 67 $3 68 $6 71 $3 73 $1 Green Lantern (1990) 3 $2 9 (2 copies) $1 each 10 $1 11 $1 12 $1 Toxic Avenger 1 (3 copies) $1 each 2 $1 Sleepwalker 1 (3 copies) $2 each 3 $1 7 $1 Kool Aid Man #1 (sealed in white bag, 2 copies) $2 each X-Force 1 (bagged w/ Cable Card) $4 1 (bagged w/ Shatterstar Card) $3 2 $2 3 $1 4 $1 NFL Superpro 1 $1 Dr. Strange #31 $1 Hawkworld Annual #2 (2nd print, Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Hawk & Dove Annual #2 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Justice League of America Annual #5 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Send all comments to 02106@chopin.udel.edu Thanks Sam (the ""ex"" comic book collector) ",misc.forsale 2596,": Detroit's going to beat Toronto in 6 or LESS!!! : : Granted, Gilmour should get the Hart Trophy, NOT Lemieux... Just : Look at what Gilmour did for Toronto. When you think of Toronto, : who comes to mind, Gilmour, Andreychuk, Potvin...ah...did I mentio : n Gilmour? : When you think of the NHL, who comes to mind? Gilmour? Gretzky? Mario? .. ah... did I mention Mario? If you said Gretzky, you haven't really been following along, have you. If you said Gilmour, you are a true Maynard. I don't even think the selection of the HArt deserves serious discussion on this group. It is a no-brainer.",rec.sport.hockey 2597,": >Atoms are not objective. They aren't even real. What scientists call : >an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes : >certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All : >of which is subjective. : > : >-jim halat : This deserves framing. It really does. ""[Atoms] aren't even real."" : Tell me then, those atoms we have seen with electron microscopes are : atoms now, so what are they? Figments of our imaginations? The : evidence that atoms are real is overwhelming, but I won't bother with : most evidence at the moment. You would have us believe that what the eye perceives as images are actaully there - as perceived? This may be interesting. I thought that an electron microscope was used because no wavelength of ""light"" can illuminate any ""object"" of atomic scale. If this image is to have useful resolution, wouldn't the illuminating sources wavelength have to be several orders of magnitude less than size of thing observed? If an atom is a ""probablity cloud"", lower resolutions would give the appearance of solidity, but it seems fairly certain that an atom is not an object is any conventional sense. Obviously I am not a physicist, but the question does have ramification of a philosophic nature. Anyway, just a stray thought, carry on ...",alt.atheism 2598,"Inkjet and Bubblejet printers are the same tech. ""Bubblejet"" was trademarked by Cannon and inkjet was by HP I belive. I have seen both, and own a ""bubblejet"" (a Apple StyleWriter which has a cannon engine) with a 360 dpi rated output. The output is very good with quality paper, which is very importaint. Cheap paper gives bad results. I use sealed paper and the only differenc is that the ink is less dark than toner (I compaire to the Apple Personal LaserWriter NTX), but then again the difference is $300 to $1500 so.... ",sci.electronics 2599," ",None 2600,"I have NEVER spoken for a ban against guns in America ! What I've said is that there seems to be to MANY of them, and especially to many in wrong hands.... Now IF you would like to reduce the number, how would you do it without affecting good/responcible gun owners ?? I DO believe in a persons freedom. What I don't believe is that you can have it all and don't pay for it. MOST europeans believe in a society of individuals, and that you HAVE to give 'a little' to make that society work. Cars and guns should really not be mixed, I just tried to make a point. Like America, Norway has some spaces you have to cross to get from a to b, so a car is essential in most parts.... Guns on the other hand are not essential in Norway, so we don't argue that IF we 'banned' guns we HAVE to ban cars..... EVERYONE who believe that Hitler and WW2 could be avoided if there were more guns in Germany in the 30's: PLEASE read some HISTORY! Is this discussion about 1. Banning weapons for ALL Americans or 2. Making it harder for criminals to get one ?? Change of name....... Wrote that one after reading the first postings about the Waco 'incident'. I still think there are 'some' posters should move their post to alt.conspiracy or make a new newsgroup. (If you read the first postings after the Waco fire you should see who I mean......) Did the BATF get the warrant for a gun search only or was there other reasons. (Child abuse for instance) Doesn't the people reading this newsgroup have access to the clari.news.* hierarcy ?? (Some seems rather mis/unInformed) (Or is the clari.news.* hierarcy ruled and censored by the corrupt facist goverment??) ",talk.politics.guns 2601,": : I am considering buying a 1993 Chevy or GMC 4x4 full-size pickup with : the extended cab. Any opinions about these vehicles? Have there been : any significant problems? : : -- : Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com : So many newsgroups, so little time! I bought a brand new 1992 Chevrolet K2500 HD 4x4 extended cab last May. It has had many, many problems. See my earler post that describes the situation. I went to BBB arbitration, and they ruled that Chevrolet must buy it back from me. If you do get one, stay away from the 5 speed manual with the deep low first gear. They have put three of them in my truck so far. After about 1,500 miles, overdrive either starts rattling or hissing loudly. There is no way to fix them. Chevrolet says that the noise is ""a characteristic of the transmission."" Also, if you are planning to use your truck to tow, the gear ratios in that tranny suck. On a steep hill, you get up to about 55 MPH in second gear at 4,000 RPM (yellow line). If you shift to third, the RPM drop to only 2,500, and you begin to loose speed. I should point out that the 350 V8 they put in the HD (8600 GVW) trucks is a detuned motor compared to the one they put in the light duty ones. They dropped the compression ratio, supposedly for ""engine longevity"" reasons. So the light duty 350 may pull better than my truck does. Other things that have gone wrong include the ventilation fan (3 times so far), paint (had specs of rust embedded in the paint from being shipped by rail with no covering), and suspension parts (link between stabilizer and control arm fell off). Any company can make a bad individual car, Chevrolet included. What really bothered me was the way they reacted. They made no attempt to deal with me except to tell me to take it back to the dealer for them to attempt to fix it one more time. So I bought a brand new Ford F250 HD Super Cab with a 460 and an automatic. I will never buy another Chevrolet.",rec.autos 2602," Check the station's master sync generator. You'll probably find that it already has horizontal and vertical drive outputs that just aren't being used. A couple of cables and you're in business. Another possibility is to find a genlockable sync generator with HD and VD outputs - genlock it to station sync, and then feed HD and VD to the cameras. If neither of these is possible, then you'll have to build a sync separator. Look at the circuit diagrams of your existing sync generators - they probably all include circuitry that does what you want.",sci.electronics 2603," I used to drive a truck a few years back. I once rode with an old codger that had been driving for about 30 yrs. The only time he would use the clutch was to get the truck moving. He could shift that 13 speed lightning quick, up or down, without the slightest rake of a gear. He was as smooth as silk. It was the most amazing shifting demonstration I've ever seen! Having said all that I still don't know why anyone would want to shift a synchronized tranny without a clutch? Why do it? ",rec.autos 2604," There are several reasons for this difference. The main reason is that good hitters in their prime (such as Frank Thomas and Danny Tartabull) are rarely regular DH's, even if they can't field; it's more commonly a place to put aging veterans. Another use of the DH slot is to help a player come back from injury slowly, getting his bat in the lineup without forcing him to play in the field. I would expect such players to hit worse as DH's than they did during the rest of the season. A third factor is that most player who split time between DH and first or the outfield don't hit as well as DH's for some reason. Reggie Jackson was a good example; in five years as a RF/DH for the Angels, he hit like the old Reggie when he was in right. The second and third factors will be lost if players are considered by their primary position only; a player who plays 90 games in right and 60 at DH will count only in the right fielders' averages. This makes sense; you might also look at it another way. Although the *average* offensive performance of a DH may be lower than for a left fielder, the *replacement-level* offensive performance is certainly lower; if you are a left fielder but can't hit well enough to keep a job anywhere, then you certainly can't hit well enough to keep a job at DH. ",rec.sport.baseball 2605," This is completely false. This is also false. What you need for multisession capability is multisession capability -- which is based on the firmware and electronics, not the drive speed. I'll admit, though, that I have not seen a multisession capable drive that isn't double speed. The above (1 & 2), proves 3 to be false. The Apple CD300 is an excellent double-speed multi-session PhotoCD capable drive. So are drives based on the slightly-faster Toshiba XM3401. Some companies selling such drives are: Spin Peripherals (a bargain at $499) and PLI (a company I hate) and Relax Technologies (a company I know little about other than that they are a longtime player in Mac mailorder, which is usually a good sign). The NEC CDR74 is also a good choice (NEC's own mechanism, I think). ClubMac sells it for around $619. Your welcome, ooh but now I see your from Germany. Most of the mailorder info does you little good, I guess. If not: Spin Peripherals -- 800-466-1200 Club Mac -- 800-258-2622 Relax Tech -- 510-471-6112 Nothing wrong with the Apple, though, which is based on a Sony mechanism and speed-identical to the NEC. The Toshiba's speed advantage is very slight: 20% in average access time (a minor plus) and 10% in data transfer rate (a slightly more important plus).",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2606," Welcome aboard! And, since I haven't seen this yet this year (but all preceding years), let me say:",rec.sport.hockey 2607,"The fact that Reno is actually taking responsibility (gee--that's a new one for a politician) is a new thing for a member of Clinton's administration. I actually respect her for having a backbone ( I never thought I'd say that about someone from that bunch). The way I understand what happened is that she discussed with Clinton what was being planned for Waco. Clinton didn't say no, so gave de facto approval for the operation. Things got messed up, and a lot of people died horrible deaths. (if I am incorrect about this, please feel free to correct it. This is just what I've been able to pick up.) I've just got a couple of questions about this whole thing. (1) Why did the government feel they needed to assault that compound? (2) Why didn't they try to flush them out in the first week of this fiasco instead of waiting 50 days. (3) Janet Reno jumped up to take responsibilty to take heat away from the President. Does this sound anything like what a couple of Reagan's aides did?",talk.politics.misc 2608,"]joe, i'm sorry you felt i was pissing on your list. no disparagement ]was intended and i would be most interested to know what i said that ]made you feel that way. you didn't, I meant 'pissing' like boxer owners 'piss' on K bike owners and K bike owners 'piss' on boxer owners and so forth. in the end it's nothing more than co-owner ribbing. no disparagement was received or returned intentionally, sorry 'bout the lack of :-)'s. ",rec.motorcycles 2609,"** For my computer law module I have been asked to write a computer contract for the supply of computer software to a business. The software is being especially written for the company. Would anyone, per chance happen to have a copy of a computer contract on their system which they could mail me. If anyone has a computer contract but it contains sensitive material then I can assure them that it will remain confidential and I will not pass it on, or allow anyone else to view it. Thanks. ",sci.electronics 2610," Works really well on my 'bike too. Tony ",rec.motorcycles 2611,"Here now some initial references; best regards - Walter. @InProceedings{Keirouz:et:al:90, author = ""Walid Keirouz and Jahir Pabon and Robert Young"", title = ""{Integrating parametric geometry, features, and variational modeling for conceptual design}"", booktitle = ""International Conference on Design Theory and Methodology"", year = ""1990"", editor = ""{J.\ R.}\ Rinderle"", pages = ""1--9"", organization = ""American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME)"", OPTpublisher = """", OPTaddress = """", OPTmonth = """", note = ""Proceedings"" } @InProceedings{Yamaguchi:Kimura:90, author = ""Yasushi Yamaguchi and Fumihiko Kimura"", title = ""{A constraint modeling system for variational geometry}"", booktitle = ""{Geometric modeling for product engineering}"", year = ""1990"", editor = ""{Michael J.}\ Wozny and {J.\ U.}\ Turner and {K.}\ Preiss"", pages = ""221--233"", organization = ""IFIP"", publisher = ""Elsevier Science Publishers B.V.\ (North-Holland), Amsterdam, The Netherlands"", OPTaddress = """", OPTmonth = """", note = ""Selected and Expanded Papers form the IFIP WG 5.2/NSF Working Conference on Geometric Modeling, Rensselaerville, NY, U.S.A., 18--22 September 1988"" } @InProceedings{Chung:et:al:88, author = ""{Jack C.\ H.}\ Chung and {Joseph W.}\ Klahs and {Robert L.}\ Cook and Thijs Sluiter"", title = ""{Implementation issues in variational geometry and constraint management}"", booktitle = ""Third International Conference on CAD/CAM, Robotics and Factories of the Future (CARS and FOF'88)"", year = ""1988"", OPTeditor = """", OPTpages = """", OPTorganization = """", OPTpublisher = """", address = ""Detroit, Michigan, USA"", month = "" August 14--17,"", note = ""Proceedings, probably: Springer-Verlag, Berlin/Heidelberg, 1989"" } @Article{Kimura:et:al:86, author = ""Fumihiko Kimura and Hiromasa Suzuki and Toshio Sata"", title = ""{Variational Product Design by Constraint Propagation and Satisfaction in Product Modelling}"", journal = ""Annals of the CIRP"", year = ""1986"", volume = ""35"", number = ""1"", pages = ""75--78"", OPTmonth = """", note = ""(probably) International Institution for Production Engineering Research"" } @Article{Kimura:et:al:87, author = ""{F.}\ Kimura and {H.}\ Suzuki and {H.}\ Ando and {T.}\ Sato and {A.}\ Kinosada"", title = ""{Variational Geometry Based on Logical Constraints and its Applications to Product Modelling}"", journal = ""Annals of the CIRP"", year = ""1987"", volume = ""36"", number = ""1"", pages = ""65--68"", @InProceedings{Chung:Schussel:89, author = ""{Jack C.H.}\ Chung and {Martin D.}\ Schussel"", title = ""{Comparison of Variational and Parametric Design}"", booktitle = ""Autofact '89"", year = ""1989"", OPTeditor = """", pages = ""5-27 -- 5-44"", OPTorganization = """", OPTpublisher = """", address = ""Detroit, Michigan, USA"", month = ""October 30 -- November 2,"", note = ""Conference Proceedings"" } @Article{Pabon:et:al:92, author = ""Jahir Pabon and Robert Young and Walid Keirouz"", title = ""{Integrating Parametric Geometry, Features, and Variational Modeling for Conceptual Design}"", journal = ""International Journal of Systems Automation: Research and Applications (SARA)"", year = ""1992"", volume = ""2"", OPTnumber = """", pages = ""17--36"", OPTmonth = """", OPTnote = """" } @Article{Kondo:90, author = ""Koichi Kondo"", title = ""{PIGMOD: parametric and interactive geometric modeller for mechanical design}"", journal = ""CAD, computer-aided design"", year = ""1990"", volume = ""22"", number = ""10"", pages = ""633--644"", month = ""december"", note = ""Butterworth-Heinemann Ltd"" } @InProceedings{Zalik:et:al:92a, author = ""Borut {\v{Z}}alik and Nikola Guid and Aleksander Vesel"", title = ""{Parametric Design Using Constraint Description Graph}"", booktitle = ""CAD '92, Neue Konzepte zur Realisierung anwendungsorientierter CAD-Systeme"", year = ""1992"", editor = ""{Frank-Lothar} Krause and Detlev Ruland and Helmut Jansen"", pages = ""329--344"", OPTorganization = """", publisher = ""Informatik aktuell, Springer-Verlag, Berlin/Heidelberg"", OPTaddress = """", month = ""14./15.\ Mai"", note = ""GI-Fachtagung, Berlin"" } ",comp.graphics 2612,"-| -| Alas, we too will have to stop using it. -| -| Brian -| -- -| Brian Glendenning - National Radio Astronomy Observatory -| bglenden@nrao.edu Charlottesville Va. (804) 296-0286 It says in the licence that non-profit organisations have the rights to copy, use, distribute etc.. Does that not cover NRAO ? I sure hope it covers us. Please someone let me know if I have to buy a licence. best regards Ata <(|)>.",comp.windows.x 2613," ",None 2614," Do I think Clinton conceived of it? No. Do I think Clinton ordered it? No. Do I think Clinton was aware of it before it went down? No. Do I think Clinton was aware of it after it went down? Of course; who wasn't? Do I think Clinton prejudged these people to a certain extent because he believed the BATF crap about child abuse and stockpiling ""evil semi-automatic weapons?"" Yes. Do I think Clinton ever questioned federal jurisdiction in this matter? No. Do I think Clinton ever considered the civil rights of the victims? No. Some of us suspect that ALL the unlawful mistakes made on Day 1 were made on the government's end. That makes days 2-51 nothing but a macho alternative to delivering an apology. Who gives a good goddamn about some bullshit ""opinion poll"" of ""most Americans?"" Most Americans swallow the government line that they're fed -- not because they're stupid, but because it's the only line they ever hear. ""Most Americans"" thought the staff at the McMaster(?) school was guilty, guilty, guilty. Woops, turns out they weren't. ""Most Americans"" once thought that black slaves weren't human beings. Woops, wrong again. ""Most Americans"" thought Saddam Hussein was the Antichrist. Oh dear, he was a ""special friend of the American government"" until two years previously. You know, maybe truth ISN'T determined by majority vote of a half-informed public after all. You're just testy because of all those newsbreaks that were interrupting ""Roseanne."" -- ",talk.politics.guns 2615," Actually, that'd be 155 mph and 60 mph (the legal speed limit for trucks) in *two* lanes, each direction. It's a hell of a rush when those trucks fly by. (or was that me flying by them? Who cares, the rush is really something else, and so is the draft)",rec.autos 2616,"... ... We must have been watching two different games. The Devil had one hand on Mario's elbow and pulling the elbow caused Mario to fall so the call was appropriate. Using clueless people to substantiate your claims doesn't give me a lot of confidence in your call either. Next time consider getting a second opinion from a clueful observer. Or maybe all those available disagreed. ",rec.sport.hockey 2617,"# #I used to think that homosexuals were OK -- but havng now gotten a # #chance through USENET to know quite a few, I've realized that I was # #misled in my youth. Homosexuals are vicious, screwed-up, often # #really evil people. # # That's a load of shit. If you really have the naivete to believe that the # bozos over on soc.motss characterize our entire populace, you need to LIVE a # little. Try soc.bi, for example...you'll find almost exclusively a bunch of Yet, the characteristics of soc.motss fit quite well with the other evidence that is available. High promiscuity, child sexual abuse history, support for child molestation advocacy groups like NAMBLA, S&M, etc. # well-adjusted, friendly, humanistic people. And, in any case, I think # you'll find that most people are quite different from the persona they # present on USENET. For all I know, you're a wonderful, enlightened human # being taking the role of hatemonger for satirical effect. # # Somehow I doubt it, though.... Hatemonger: someone who reminds people of why homosexuals are dying in such large quantities of AIDS -- because their sexual compulsions prevented them from keeping their number of sexual partners below four digits. # ## I've got a few clues for you. (a) I'm not working to pass any laws. (b) # # #It's being done in your name. # # And that makes it my responsibility, I see. Suppose I kill someone in the # name of Clayton Cramer. How does that make you a murderer? If I know about it, and don't express my disapproval, it certainly would make you suspicious about me, wouldn't it? # #My morals aren't yours. I wouldn't march in a parade with a group # #that advocates child molestation. It doesn't stop homosexuals. # # I wouldn't march in a parade with a group like that either. And if you're # talking about NAMBLA, I think you'll find that they DO NOT advocate child # molestation. I also think you'll find that the VAST MAJORITY of homosexuals They advocate sex between adults and children, with NO lower limit on age. But that's right, homosexuals don't believe that an adult sodomizing a five year old is child molestation. # will have no truck with that group anyway. Fooled me. They march in a number of gay parades around the country. # ## #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! # ## #Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. # ## # ## But not between members of the same sex, right? How can you live with such # ## hypocrisy? # ## # ## ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! # # #Sure. Whatever consenting adults want to do in private is none of # #the government's business. YOU are the ones that want more laws # #telling me what to do in private. # # Quit lumping me in with groups. The fact is that homophobia is an evil, # unjustified prejudice, just like racism or sexism. You can't reject all but # one of those. # # Drewcifer It is NOTHING like racism or sexism. You CHOOSE to be a homosexual. My distaste for homosexuality is because of what homosexuals DO.",talk.politics.misc 2618,"We have the following ski equipment for sale: 120 cm poles $20 (white) Salomon Boots-SX80 $40 ; size 320 ladies = 8 to 8.5 in womens size shoe ; two unused in-soles included. What's left of a ski set Bought New; Hardly Used; Excellent Condition! Asking $55 for the entire package. You pay shipping and COD charges. Send me some e-mail. I will provide further discriptions upon request. -- ****************************************************************************** Davis jd490475@longs.lance.colostate.edu",misc.forsale 2619,"could someone repost or send to me via email the original posting of the Clipper Chip press release. thanks andrew kriger hampshire college agk@neural.hampshire.edu",sci.crypt 2620," Actually, You're wrong as well. The KKK is allowed to march and any attempts to curtail their freedom is rejected (Actually I believe the ACLU won a case for them last year). Morality should not be legilated in a free country like the U.S. I'll post something on TJ and Uva under Uva for those Hoos bashers. ",talk.politics.mideast 2621,"[reply to kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)] Jeez, can't he get anything straight. I told him to wait for three days. GOD",None 2622,,None 2623,"We`ve had the the Great Western, the [ dunno ] and the Great Northern postulated as Brunel`s masterpiece. Keep boxing the compass chaps, you`ll get round to it eventually. The Great Western was a highly successful transatlantic mail ship, with hybrid sail and steam propulsion. The Great Eastern, which broke the 'Little Giant' financially and otherwise, was a revolutionary leap forward in ship design. A thirty thousand ton all steel vessel, with primary steam propulsion, it was at the time easily the biggest ocean going vessel ever built. Brunel took advantage of the fact that cargo and / or fuel capacity rose with the cube of scale, while drag rose with the square, so a really big ship could steam thousands of miles without coaling. Unfortunately, there was no real market for such a beast at the time, and it was eventually sold off at scrap values. As another poster said, it then went on to a successful career as a telegraph cable laying ship. It was in fact the only ship of its day capable of laying a transatlantic cable in one go, with the endurance and capacity to carry the huge reel all the way, and the manoeuverabilty to dredge for defective sections. See Arthur C Clarke`s book ""How the World was One"" [ I think that`s right ] If that`s how the Shuttle goes down in history, as a technical triumph and a financial disaster for the builder, it would not be entirely ignoble, but I doubt if history will be so charitable. Its true the Shuttle can do things no other launch system can do, but are they worth doing? With low cost access to space, you could have an affordable space station for doing shuttle-like extended manned missions. As it is, the shuttle is not so much a space-truck as a space-RV, ( only not so cheap to run :-( )",sci.space 2624,"At the risk of getting lost in the clipper chip discussion I give a summary on my recent question: Unfortunately the answer is no - concealing the initialisation vector essentially doesn't give any additional security. I got 3 answers (from grady@netcom.com, Mark.Lomas@cl.cam.ac.uk, smb@research.att.com) that opened my eyes. It's pretty simple: Say E is encryption (and D decryption) with key K on 64-bit blocks. Let c[0] be the initialisation vector, m[1], m[2], ... the message blocks, c[1], c[2], ... the cipher text blocks. Then encryption in cipher block chaining (CBC) mode works by the formula c[i] = E(m[i] XOR c[i-1]), and decryption by m[i] = c[i-1] XOR D(c[i]). So if the attacker doesn't have c[0] this only affects the first message block m[1]. But she can do her key search attack on m[2], m[3], ... The situation in cipher feedback (CFB) mode is a bit more complicated but similar and left as an exercise for the reader :-) Finally there is the modified output feedback mode (OFB) where DES (or whatever block cipher you use) simply acts as random generator by s[i] = E(s[i-1]) with initialisation vector (= seed) s[0], and encryption is given by c[i] = m[i] XOR s[i]. Here the usual `known plaintext' attack against XOR-bitstream ciphers reduces the cracking to key search for K. ",sci.crypt 2625," This is not necessary. All you have to do is modify the config.sys on d:\ { or the real boot up partition/disk }. Then, you can manually copy it to c:\ or allow stacker to do it on boot up. Likewise with the autoexec.bat. --- Private note to Jennifer Fakult. ""This post may contain one or more of the following: sarcasm, cycnicism, irony, or humor. Please be aware of this possibility and do not allow yourself to be confused and/or thrown for a loop. If in doubt, assume all of the above.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2626,": Has anyone seen hallusions? You can buy a poster of them and it looks like a simple dot pattern : when you first look at it but if you focus behind it you see a 3d picture. I'm looking for : a program that generates these pictures. There's a company in Texas that makes them but I : doubt if they're giving the program away. Any help would be appreciated. : There is a program included with the book ""Virtual Reality Playhouse"" which will let you generate these pictures. It's not a very powerful program but it does an acceptable job for experimentation purposes.",comp.graphics 2627,"It seems that there are a lot of questions regarding the Cyrix 386 compatible 486DLC and 486DRU2. My info comes directly from Cyrix's Fast Fax service: And also from installing one of these chips in an IBM Model 80. The 486DLC is a 486 instruction set compatible CPU which fits into a 386DX socket (Pin Grid Array, or PGA). The DLC currently is available in 3 speeds. the 25, the 33, and the 40. They do not have a coprocessor on board, but any software query will return coproc as present. I guess they emulate the coproc instructions. Math functions are on the 386DX level without the actual coprocessor. The internal cache on the 486DLC is 1K. Cyrix literature claims a 85% hit rate. My informal tests show that the cache accounts for a 10% performance boost when it is enabled by software. Overall performance boost from a 386DX-25 to a 486DLC-25 is about 60%. The benchmarks I used were NU SI and QAPlus Dhrystones and Whetstones. The performance, with the cache enabled, is about on a par with my 386DX-40 with 256K external CPU cache, which is around the performance for a 486SX-25. The computer runs noticebly faster, and DOS 6 with Dblspace is not complaining. The company claims OS/2 compatibility, but I didn't test it. The 486DRU2 is not a chip, as commonly thought. The 486DRU2 is actually a small daughterboard slightly larger than the 386DX, which contains the logic to manage the clock doubler. This board plugs into the 386DX PGA, and the 486DLC-33 or 40 plugs into this board. I guess the board doubles the frequency apparent to the CPU, and insert wait states when access to the rest of the system is required. There are no info available from Cyrix there. Anyway, the DRU2 is available for 386DX-16, and 386DX-20 only. Double these clock rates, and you get the 32MHZ and the 40MHZ DLCs. If Cyrix is planning to do the same thing for the DRU2-50, then they need to put out the 50MHz DLC2 first... I also tested a DLC33 motherboard, along with a Cyrix Coprocessor. With 64K external cache, performance were about 30% faster than the 25, but still significantly (25%?) slower than an actual Intel 486DX. IMHO, the DLC is a great, low price upgrade for people who can't afford, or can't install, a new motherboard. It is definitely worth what I paid for it, but if you need 486DX-33 performance, the DLC33 won't cut it. I'm not sure about the DLC-40, but I think even if it matches the performance, it won't beat it in any significant way. The last time I posted info about the DLC, people sent quite a bit of mail, asking where I got it. So here is where I got mine: Treasure Chest peripherals, they advertise in the Computer Shopper. 1-800-677-9781 The 486DLC-25 kit was $179.00 But.... I liked the chip so much that I found the supplier, and became a dealer. If you are interested in the chip, e-mail me, and I can fax or mail you more info. I'm well aware of the net's policy against commercial use, So I can;t post anymore info here. However, if there are more questions regarding the 486DLC itself, I'll post what I can. jamesc 909-396-0408 ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2628,"The most likely explanation may have something to do with the fact that a greater density of information exists on the larger capacity disk drive than the smaller one. If your running the drive on a Mac I would recommend a shareware utility called Timedrive which tests seek, SCSI throughput and rotational speed. This utility should let you know what the differences are between the drives. *************************************************************************** The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. [BBS Number:(613) 848-1346 MacContent is VictoriaÕs first Iconic BBS!] *************************************************************************** ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2629," Is there a Honda mailing list, and if so how do I subscribe to it? ",rec.autos 2630," That's not ""showing the signs of his innate sin"", that's testing the limits of his newfound independence. A two-year-old will continually test you to see just how much he can get away with, just as a pet dog will. If a child always submitted to your will in a docile fashion, would you praise him and suspect that he's the Second Coming of Christ, or would you seek professional help about his emotional development? ",talk.religion.misc 2631," I've had similar problems w/ other board types, and the problem is NOT a result of the 8/24GC board! Try Zapping the PRAM by holding down ""Command-Option-P-R"" durring startup! You will have to reset everything to your previous preferences (The Date & Time remain intact!), but the Video Board will start remembering it's previous settings!",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2632,"I have some advice for you, and some thoughts about your hatred of the Minnesota North Stars: 1. A real team like Toronto would not be moved, you are right, just eliminated from the playoffs first round! 2. Why stay in Minnesota when you can go to a college in Western Ontario and actually take classes on map-reading and the Artistry of BSing specifically set up for just you. 3. Why should anyone love the Stars, when hating the Leafs is so much better? 4. Oh, I'm sorry.. well, maybe you can't understand my big words.. next time I'll limit my vocabulary to words like ""get real team now"" and ""do not waste our time"" 5. Respond to this article. I love to laugh at your humor, even though it it unintentional. I got a BIG kick out of GO LEAFS GO.... go where? HOME, I think!! :) -- delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions 1991,1992, AND 1993 AFC Conference Champions!!!!!!!! :) Squished the Fish ............... Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992.. SQUISHED THE TRASH TALKING FISH.. AFC CHAMPIONSHIP, JANUARY 17, 1992..",rec.sport.hockey 2633," Awesome home record or not, you need to remember the 7th game last year at the Aud. I'd like to see some playoff games since I'm stuck in Buffalo at UB, but I think Boston isn't giving up so easy.",rec.sport.hockey 2634," I can't let this pass. *If* the Islanders get past Pitts. (Assuming the Isles beat the Caps, God Willing), them I'm sorry, the Isles will crush the Leafs. Flame shields up. ******************************************************************************** Of course no one asked me I always interject my opinions on matters I have no concern over -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Go Islanders!!!!!! (3 down, 1 to go) Go Jets for '93 ******************************************************************************** ",rec.sport.hockey 2635," I bought a copy of The Satanic Verses when there was talk of the British Government banning it. There's nothing interests me in a book more than making it illegal. However, it's still sitting on my shelf unread. Perhaps I'll get round to it soon. I've still got a pile of Lem, Bulgakov and Zamyatin to go through; I don't find nearly enough time to read. In fact, there are far more interesting things to do than I can ever find time for; how anyone ever manages to be bored is beyond me. If I didn't have to sleep, maybe I could manage it. mathew",alt.atheism 2636,"I have been told by several people that Sony data cartridges don't quite cut it in the Jumbo 250 tape drive (lots of bad blocks). If you're using Sony tape, try switching to something else -- like maybe 3M.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2637," You mean something like Uuencode? It isn't super crypto, but it is encrypted. Scott ",sci.crypt 2638,"man, every time this thread comes up, i start jumping up and down screaming ' EASY WHEELS! EASY WHEELS!' but to date, it seems like _i'm_ the only one who' s ever seen this. it's absolutely hysterical. basic plot is this: reporter searching for a ring of babysnatchers is blow off the road by a ( very hot) gang of babe bikers in leather. he is rescued from his wrecked car in the desert by a xtian gospal biker band lead by an ex viet-nam vet with a steel plate in his head that gives him visions from time to time. they soon discover that the gang 'o babes is kidnapping children to be raised by wolves (the reasoning behind this is complex), and they set out to stop them and restore justice and order to the world. it is one of the 5 funniest movies i have ever seen in my life. ",rec.motorcycles 2639,"From Israeline 4/27/93 Rabin: We Must Concentrate on Qualitative Changes in Israeli Society Today's AL HAMISHMAR quotes Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's Independence Day interview yesterday on Israel Television. Rabin said that enforcing Jewish sovereignty over the entire Land of Israel would lead to the establishment of a bi-national state. ""I would view it as if the historical destiny of my generation, Dor Tashach, the generation that had the great privilege of determining the fate of the people and founding the Jewish state, had been lost."" Rabin added, ""We must stop dreaming of settlements [i.e. in the Territories] and focus on qualitative and substantive changes in Israeli society to make it a productive society dependent on its own labor."" The Prime Minister concluded saying that he would like to achieve a significant breakthrough in the peace process during his government's term. ",talk.politics.mideast 2640," >I'm trying to locate the Type1 rasterizer that IBM donated to The X >consortium. I've found patches to it but not the original source. It's on the R5 ""contrib"" tape. -Mike Glendinning, Ingres UK (mikeg@ingres.co.uk). Yes I found it there. Thanks everyone. Thomas",comp.windows.x 2641,"Some time back in this newsgroup, I seem to recall a thread about predicting the runs a given lineup of 9 batters could be expected to score given the appropriate statistical alphabet soup for these hitters (OBP, SLG, AVG, bat length, hat size, day-of-the-week, weather conditions, etc.). :-) Anyway, was I dreaming or is there some such animal? My apologies if this has been covered recently, I probably get to read 10% of the articles posted here. No time. Many thanks in advance, scotty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M. Scott Walsh scottwa@pogo.wv.tek.com Tektronix, Inc. Graphics Printing & Imaging Products IBD (503)685-3622",rec.sport.baseball 2642," I didn't exactly follow the ""dragless"" satellitte thread. What is the point of it? are they used for laser geodesy missions? triad seemed to be some sort of navy navigation bird, but why be ""dragless"" why not just update orbital parameters?",sci.space 2643," *> *>McGill/Hammond -> Johan Garpenlov. Would you really rather have those two *>instead of Johan? * * By your logic then you enjoy having Falloon and Ozolinsh on * injured reserve? * Falloon was hurt on a clean check. He just fell poorly. Same with Wilson. I don't know about Ozolinsh. A judo coach would do more for the Sharks injury situation than Bob Probert. Actually, a judo/ju-jitsu coach could help add a really interesting wrinkle to anyone's game....",rec.sport.hockey 2644,"I would also be interested in finding out about the '94 Talon, and I suspect that many other people would be interested too, so let's get some responses on the net. The question again: Does anyone have any info on the 1994 Eagle Talon / Mitsubishi Eclipse / Plymouth Laser? I know that the old Talon was based on the Mitsubishi Galant, and that in Japan, a 240 hp twin-turbo V6 1994 Galant has been released. So anyway, any info on the '94 Talon would be appreciated.",rec.autos 2645,"Someone referred to my FAQ essay on homosexuality. Since it hasn't been posted for some time (and I've modified it somewhat since the last time), I'm taking this opportunity to post it. There is another entry in the FAQ containing comments by some other contributors. They can be retrieved from ftp.rutgers.edu as pub/soc.religion.christian/others/homosexuality. It contains far more detail on the exegetical issues than I give here, though primarily from a conservative point of view. ---------------------------- This posting summarizes several issues involving homosexuality and Christians. This is a frequently asked question, so I do not post the question each time it occurs. Rather this is an attempt to summarize the postings we get when we have a discussion. It summarizes arguments for allowing Christian homosexuality, since most people asking the question already know the arguments against it. The most common -- but not the only -- question dealt with herein is ""how can a Christian justify being a homosexual, given what the Bible says about it?"" First, on the definition of 'homosexual'. Many groups believe that there is a homosexual ""orientation"", i.e. a sexual attraction to members of the same sex. This is distinguished from actual homosexual sexual activity. Homosexuals who abstain from sex are considered by most groups to be acceptable. However in a lot of discussion, the term 'homosexual' means someone actually engaging in homosexual sex. This is generally not accepted outside the most 'liberal' groups. In this paper I'm going to use 'homosexual' as meaning a person engaging in sexual acts with another of the same sex. I haven't heard of any Biblical argument against a person with homosexual orientation who remains celebate. I think most people now admit that there is a predisposition to be homosexual. This is often called a 'homosexual orientation'. It is not known whether it is genetic or environmental. There is evidence suggesting each. The best evidence I've seen is that homosexuality is not a single phenomenon, but has a number of different causes. One of them is probably genetic. There are several groups that try to help people move from being homosexual to heterosexual. The best-known is Exodus International"". The reports I've seen (and I haven't read the detailed literature, just the summary in the minority opinion to the Presbyterian Church's infamous report on human sexuality) suggest that these programs have very low success rates, and that there are questions about how real even the successes are. But there certainly are people who say they have converted. However this issue is not as important as it sounds. Those who believe homosexuality is wrong believe it is intrinsically wrong, defined as such by God. The fact that it's hard to get out of being a homosexual is no more relevant than the fact that it's hard to escape from being a drug addict. If it's wrong, it's wrong. It may affect how we deal with people though. If it's very difficult to change, this may tend to make us more willing to forgive it. One more general background issue: It's common to quote a figure that 10% of the population is homosexual. I asked one of our experts where this came from. Here's his response: Kinsey (see below) is the source of the figure 10 percent. He defines sexuality by behavior, not by orientation, and ranked all persons on a scale from Zero (completely heterosexual) to 6 (completely heterosexual). According to Kinsey, one-third of all male adults have had at least one experience of orgasm homosexually post puberty. Ten percent of all adult males have most of their experiences of homosexually. That was in 1948. The percentages held true in a followup study done by the Kinsey Institute, based on data in the early seventies but not published until the early 80s or so, by Bell and Weinberg, I believe. I can't put my hand on this latter reference, but here is the online information for Kinsey's own study as it appears in IRIS, the catalog at Rutgers: AUTHOR Kinsey, Alfred Charles, 1894-1956. TITLE Sexual behavior in the human male [by] Alfred C. Kinsey. Wardell B. Pomeroy [and] Clyde E. Martin. PUBLISHER Philadelphia, W. B. Saunders Co., 1948. DESCRIP xv, 804 p. diagrs. 24 cm. NOTES ""Based on surveys made by members of the staff of Indiana University, and supported by the National Research Council's Committee for Research on Problems of Sex by means of funds contributed by the Medical Division of the Rockefeller Foundation."" * Bibliography: p. 766-787. OTHER AUT Pomeroy, Wardell Baxter, joint author. * Martin, Clyde Eugene, joint author. SUBJECTS Sex. * U. S. -- Moral Conditions. LC CARD 48005195 This figure is widely used in all scholarly discussions and has even been found to hold true in several other cultures, as noted in the recent NEWSWEEK coverstory ""Is this child gay?"" (Feb. 24, 1992). A journalist is running the rounds of talk shows this season promoting her book that allegedly refutes Kinsey's study, but the scholarly world seems to take her for a kook...... I've seen some objections to the Kinsey's study, but not in enough detail to include here. (If someone would like to contribute another view, I'd be willing to include it.) Most Christians believe homosexuality (at least genital sex) is wrong. Not all, however. A few denominations accept it. The Metropolitan Community Churches is the best-known -- it was formed specifically to accept homosexuals. However the United Church of Christ also allows it, and I think a couple of other groups may as well. The Episcopal Church seems to accept it some areas but not others. In churches that have congregational government, you'll find a few congregations that accept it (even among Southern Baptists, though the number is probably only one or two congregations). But these are unusual -- few churches permit homosexual church leaders. How carefully they enforce this is another issue. I don't have any doubt that there are homosexual pastors of just about every denomination, some more open than others. As to the arguments over the Biblical and other issues, here's an attempt to summarize the issues: The most commonly cited reference by those favoring acceptance of homosexuality in previous discussions has been John Boswell: ""Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality"", U Chicago Press, 1980. The argument against is pretty clear. There are several explicit laws in the OT, e.g. Leviticus 20:13, and in Rom 1 Paul seems pretty negative on homosexuality. Beyond these references, there are some debates. Some passages often cited on the subject probably are not relevant. E.g. the sin which the inhabitants of Sodom proposed to carry out was homosexual *rape*, not homosexual activity between consenting adults. (There's even some question whether it was homosexual, since the entities involved were angels.) It was particularly horrifying because it involved guests, and the responsibility towards guests in that culture was very strong. (This is probably the reason Lot offered his daughter -- it was better to give up his daughter than to allow his guests to be attacked.) If you look through a concordance for references to Sodom elsewhere in the Bible, you'll see that few seem to imply that homosexuality was their sin. There's a Jewish interpretive tradition that the major sin was abuse of guests. At any rate, there's no debate that homosexual *rape* is wrong. I do not discuss Leviticus because the law there is part of a set of laws that most Christians do not consider binding. So unless NT justification can be found, Lev. alone would not settle the issue. The NT references are all in Paul's letters. A number of the references from Paul are lists of sins in which the words are fairly vague. Boswell argues that the words occuring in these lists do not in the lists (i.e. I Cor 6:9 and I Tim 1:10) are /malakos/ and /arsenokoitai/. Unfortunately it is not entirely clear what the words actually mean. /malakos/, with a basic meaning of soft, has a variety of metaphorical meanings in ethical writing. Boswell suggests ""wanton"" as a likely equivalent. He also reports that the unanimous interpretation of the Church, including Greek-speaking Christians, was that in this passage it referred to masturbation, a meaning that has vanished only in the 20th Cent., as that practice has come to be less frowned-upon. (He cites references as late as the 1967 edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia that identify it as masturbation.) He translates /arsenokotai/ as male prostitute, giving evidence that none of the church fathers understood the term as referring to homosexuality in general. A more technical meaning, suggested by the early Latin translations, would be ""active mode homosexual male prostitute"", but in his view Paul did not intend it so technically. For a more conservative view, I consulted Gordon Fee's commentary on I Cor. He cites evidence that /malakos/ often meant effeminate. However Boswell warns us that in Greek culture effeminate is not necessarily synonymous with homosexual, though it may be associated with some kinds of homosexual behavior. Given what Boswell and Fee say taken together, I suspect that the term is simply not very definite, and that while it applies to homosexuals in some cases, it isn't a general term for homosexuality. While Fee argues against Boswell with /arsenokotai/ as well, he ends up suggesting a translation that seems essentially the same. The big problem with it is that the word is almost never used. Paul's writing is the first occurence. The fact that the word is clearly composed of ""male"" and ""f**k"" unfortunately doesn't quite tell us the meaning, since it doesn't tell us whether the male is the subject or object of the action. Examples of compound words formed either way can be given. In theory it could refer to rapists, etc. It's dangerous to base meaning purely on etymology, or you'll conclude that ""goodbye"" is a religious expression because it's based on ""God by with ye"". However since Boswell, Fee, and NIV seem to agree on ""homosexual male prostitute"", that seems as good a guess as any. Note that this translation misses the strong vulgarity of the term however (something which Fee and Boswell agree on, but do not attempt to reproduce in their translation). In my opinion, the strongest NT reference to homosexuality is Romans 1. Boswell points out that Rom 1 speaks of homosexuality as something that happened to people who were naturally heterosexual, as a result of their corruption due to worshipping false gods. One could argue that this is simply an example: that if a homosexual worshipped false gods, he would also fall into degradation and perhaps become heterosexual. However I find this argument somewhat forced, and in fact our homosexual readers have not seriously proposed that this is what Paul meant. However I am not convinced that Rom 1 is sufficient to create a law against homosexuality for Christians. What Paul is describing in Rom 1 is not homosexuality among Christians -- it's homosexuality that appeared among idolaters as one part of a whole package of wickedness. Despite the impression left by his impassioned rhetoric, I'm sure Paul does not believe that pagans completely abandoned heterosexual sex. Given his description of their situation, I rather assume that their heterosexual sex would also be debased and shameless. So yes, I do believe that this passage indicates a negative view of homosexuality. But in all fairness, the ""shameless"" nature of their acts is a reflection of the general spiritual state of the people, and not a specific feature of homosexuality. My overall view of the situation is the following: I think we have enough evidence to be confident that Paul disapproved of homosexuality. Rom 1 seems clear. While I Cor 6:9 and I Tim 1:10 are not unambiguous and general condemnations of homosexuality, they do not seem like wording that would come from someone who approved of homosexuality or even considered it acceptable in some cases. On the other hand, none of these passages contains explicit teachings on the subject. Rom 1 is really about idolatry. It refers to homosexuality in passing. The result of this situation is that people interpret these passages in light of their general approach to Scripture. For those who look to Scripture for laws about issues such as this, it not surprising that they would consider these passages to be NT endorsement of the OT prohibition. For those whose approach to the Bible is more liberal, it is not surprising that they regard Paul's negative view of homosexuality as something that he took from his Jewish upbringing without any serious reexamination in the light of the Gospel. As readers of this group know by now, the assumptions behind these approaches are so radically different that people tend to foam at the mouth when they see the opposing view described. There's not a lot I can do as moderator about such a situation. A number of discussions in the past centered around the sort of detailed exegesis of texts that is described above. However in fact I'm not convinced that defenders of homosexuality actually base their own beliefs on such analyses. The real issue seems to rest on the question of whether Paul's judgement should apply to modern homosexuality. One commonly made claim is that Paul had simply never faced the kinds of questions we are trying to deal with. He encountered homosexuality only in contexts where most people would probably agree that it was wrong. He had never faced the experience of Christians who try to act ""straight"" and fail, and he had never faced Christians who are trying to define a Christian homosexuality, which fits with general Christian ideals of fidelity and of seeing sexuality as a mirror of the relationship between God and man. It is unfair to take Paul's judgement on homosexuality among idolaters and use it to make judgements on these questions. Another is the following: In Paul's time homosexuality was associated with a number of things that Christians would not find acceptable. It was part of temple prostitution. Among private citizens, it often occured between adults and children or free people and slaves. I'm not in a position to say that it always did, but there are some reasons to think so. The ancients distinguished between the active and passive partner. It was considered disgraceful for a free adult to act as the passive partner. (This is the reason that an active mode homosexual prostitute would be considered disgraceful. His customers would all be people who enjoyed the passive role.) This supports the idea that it would tend not to be engaged in between two free adult males, at least not without some degree of scandal. Clearly Christian homosexuals would not condone sex with children, slaves, or others who are not in a position to be fully responsible partners. (However Fee's commentary on I Cor cites some examples from ancient literature of homosexual relationships that do seem to involve free adults in a reasonably symmetrical way. Thus the considerations in this paragraph shouldn't be pushed too far. Homosexuality may have been discredited for Jews by some of these associations, but there surely must be been cases that were not prostitutes and did not involve slaves or children.) Some people have argued that AIDS is a judgement against homosexuality. I'd like to point out that AIDS is transmitted by promiscuous sex, both homosexual and heterosexual. Someone who has a homosexual relationship that meets Christian criteria for marriage is not at risk for AIDS. Note that there is good reason from Paul's general approach to doubt that he would concede homosexuality as a fully equal alternative, apart from any specific statements on homosexuality. I believe his use of the Genesis story would lead him to regard heterosexual marriage as what God ordained. However the way Paul deals with pastoral questions provides a warning against being too quick to deal with this issue legally. I claim that the question of how to counsel homosexual Christians is not entirely a theological issue, but also a pastoral one. Paul's tendency, as we can see in issues such as eating meat and celebrating holidays, is to be uncompromising on principle but in pastoral issues to look very carefully at the good of the people involved, and to avoid insisting on perfection when it would be personally damaging. For example, while Paul clearly believed that it was acceptable to eat meat, he wanted us to avoid pushing people into doing an action about which they had personal qualms. For another example, Paul obviously would have preferred to see people (at least in some circumstances) remain unmarried. Yet if they were unable to do so, he certainly would rather see them married than in a state where they might be tempted to fornication. I believe one could take a view like this even while accepting the views Paul expressed in Rom 1. One may believe that homosexuality is not what God intended, that it occured as a result of sin, but still conclude that at times we have to live with it. Note that in the creation story work enters human life as a result of sin. This doesn't mean that Christians can stop working when we are saved. The question is whether you believe that homosexuality is in itself sinful or whether you believe that it's a misfortune that is in a broad sense due to human sinfulness. If you're willing to consider the latter approach, then it becomes a pastoral judgement whether there is more damage caused by finding a way to live with it or trying to cure it. The dangers of trying to cure it are that the attempt most often fails, and when it does, you end up with damage ranging from psychological damage to suicide, as well as broken marriages when attempts at living as a heterosexual fail. This is going to depend upon one's assessment of the inherent nature of homosexuality. If you believe it is a very serious wrong, then you may be willing to run high risks of serious damage to get rid of it. Clearly we do not generally suggest that people live with a tendency to steal or with drug addiction, even though attempts to cure these conditions are also very difficult. However these conditions are intrinsically damaging in a way that is not so obvious for homosexuality. (Many problems associated with homosexuality are actually problems of promiscuity, not homosexuality. This includes AIDS. I take for granted that the only sort of homosexual relationships a Christian would consider allowing would be equivalent to Christian heterosexual relationships.) In the course of discussing this over the last decade or so, we've heard a lot of personal testimony from fellow Christians who are in this situation. I've also seen summaries of various research and the results of various efforts for ""conversion"". (Aside from the Presbyterian report mentioned above, there's an FAQ that summarizes our readers' reports on this question.) The evidence is that long-term success in changing orientation is rare enough to be on a par with healing miracles. The danger in advising Christians to depend upon such a change is clear: When ""conversion"" doesn't happen, which is almost always, the people are often left in despair, feeling excluded from a Church that has nothing more to say but a requirement of life-long celibacy. Paul recognized (though in a different context) that such a demand is not practical for most people, and I think the history of clerical celibacy has strongly reinforced that judgement. The practical result is that homosexuals end up in the gay sex clubs and the rest of the sordid side of homosexuality. Maybe homosexuality isn't God's original ideal, but I can well imagine Paul preferring to see people in long-term, committed Christian relationships than promiscuity. As with work -- which Genesis suggests wasn't part of God's original ideal either -- I think such relationships can still be a vehicle for people sharing God's love with each other. There's an issue of Biblical interpretation underlying this discussion. The issue is that of ""cultural relativism"". That is, when Paul says that something is wrong, should this be taken as an eternal statement, or are things wrong because of specific situations in the culture of the time? Conservative Christians generally insist on taking prohibitions as absolute, since otherwise the Bible becomes subjective -- what is to stop us from considering everything in it as relative? When looking at this issue, it's worth noting that no one completely rejects the concept of cultural relativism. There are a number of judgements in the New Testament that even conservative Christians consider to be relative. The following judgements are at least as clear in the Bible as anything said on homosexuality: - prohibition against charging interest (this occurs 18 times in the OT -- it's not in the NT, but I mention it here because until relatively recently the Church did consider it binding on Christians) - prohibition against swearing oaths - endorsement of slavery as an institution - judgement of tax collectors as sinner We do not regard these items as binding. In most cases, I believe the argument is essentially one of cultural relativism. Briefly: - prohibition of interest is appropriate to a specific agrarian society that the Bible was trying to build, but not to our market economy. - few people believe that American judicial oaths have the same characteristics as the kind of oaths Jesus was concerned about - most people believe that Paul was simply telling people how to live within slavery, but not endorsing it as an institution - for people believe that the IRS is morally equivalent to Roman tax farming The point I'm trying to make is that before applying Biblical prohibitions to the 20th Cent., we need to look at whether the 20th Cent. actions are the same. When Christian homosexuals say that their relationships are different than the Greek homosexuality that Paul would have been familiar with, this is exactly the same kind of argument that is being made about judicial oaths and tax collectors. Until fairly recently Christians prohibited taking of interest, and many Christians regarded slavery as divinely endorsed. (Indeed, slavery is one of the more common metaphors for the relationship between God and human beings -- Christians are often called servants or slaves of God.) I am not trying to say that everything in the Bible is culturally relative. Rather, I'm trying to say that *some* things are, and therefore it is not enough to say that because something appears in the Bible, that ends the discussion. We need to look at whether the action we're talking about now has the same moral implications as the one that the Bible was talking about. If Christians want to argue that there are reasons to think that the prohibitions against homosexuality are still binding, I'm willing to listen. Those who claim that the question doesn't need to be looked at are kidding themselves (unless they are part of the small minority who really obey all the rules listed above). One thing that worries me is the great emotions that this issue creates. When you consider the weakness of the Biblical evidence -- some laws in Leviticus, a passage in Rom whose subject matter is really idolatry rather than homosexuality, and a couple of lists whose words are ambiguous -- the amount of concern this is raising among Christians seems rather out of proportion. This should suggest to people that there are reasons other than simply Biblical involved. This is true on both sides -- clearly homosexual Christians are as strongly motivated to find ways of discrediting the Biblical arguments as conservative Christians are to find Biblical arguments. But I can't help feeling that the Bible is being used by both sides as a way of justifying attitudes which come from other sources. This is a dangerous situation for Christians. On the other side of the issue, I would like to note some problems I have with the pro-homosexual position as it is commonly presented. One of the most common arguments is that homosexuality is biologically determined. I.e. ""God made me homosexual"", and I have no choice. I think ""God made me homosexual"" is a fine view for people who already believe on other grounds that homosexuality is acceptable. But I don't see it as an argument for acceptability.",soc.religion.christian 2646,"I still can't understand all the hype about the Impalla SS, it STILL has the ugly Caprice body (Orca on wheels). The Caprice was the worst new body style to come out of Detroit EVER! Now just because the LT1 engine and a few suspension tweeks are being added. Its STILL UGLY, its STILL a BARGE. GM's answer to everything is ""throw in a V8 and someone will buy it."" Or ""add some plastic ground affects and a few stickers and call it a GT, GTZ or SS, and someone will buy it."" IMHO GM needs to scrap the Caprice body COMPLETELY and start over with a BLANK sheet of paper. No minor modification (wheel well treatments, tail amp modification, or nose re-design or even the LT1 engine) will help the existing Caprice.",rec.autos 2647,"# Mr Cramer- # # You are on one hand condemning the news media as; # # ""The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions"" that # was your message subject I believe. # # Then you turn around and actually take; From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, # April 15, 1993, p. B2: # # Male sex survey: Gay activity low title. # # You even use such a title for the San Jose Mercury News- the Murky News. # # Now which is it? Are you going to comdemn national media, then turn around # and use it to support some position you present? Seems somewhat contradictory # doesn't it. If you can show me that the Press-Democrat misrepresented the Guttmacher Institute's study, do so.",talk.politics.misc 2648,"Do we know yet who will be holding the hearings? And, if so, do we know who is on the committee of question askers? I'm sure many of us have potential questions we'd like to send to them.",talk.politics.misc 2649," I can't speak to sheer mass, but part of the problem is that HST wasn't built to ever be brought back down. It's not built for those kinds of 'jolt' forces and there is no support cradle for it (which is additional weight that would be required. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden",sci.space 2650,"I don't know if anyone has posted a message like this yet, but i'm getting really sick of espn showing the last minute of a hockey game, in which the score was just tied, and then cutting out and saying ""sorry we can't show you this we have to show baseball tonight"" (not even a game. a friggin HIGHLIGHT show). gee, sure would have been nice to see the isles/caps in overtime. I live in Pittsburgh (yes i'm a pens fan) where hockey gets a lot of coverage. i can only imagine how a caps fan residing in Texas must feel. ",rec.sport.hockey 2651," Ah... Ok. I didn't realize that you were talking about an Apple division other than AppleUS. AppleUS, being the main division, is the one that contains what most people feel are the correct names and configurations for the majority of Apple customers, and it is generally assumed that you are talking about AppleUS when you just say Apple. At least that's how it has always been in this newsgroup. All other Apple divisions are, apparantly, free to change names and configurations if they feel like it. I know that Apple Canada does this kind of stuff all the time. It's not a mistake, it's Apple Sweden giving a different name to an Apple product other than what AppleUS calls it.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2652,"I give up. What's new about yet another interpretation of the odl Adam and Eve story? -- Michael ",talk.religion.misc 2653,"Does anyone know what kind of car Mad Max used in ""Road Warrior""? They called it ""the last of the V-8 Interceptors..."" I couldnt tell what it was, it was so chopped up.",rec.autos 2654,"[stuff deleted] I agree with the flavor of this post, but disagree with one specific argument. That ""has great hands"" means nothing. It seems to me that a first-baseman's defensive value is not entirely (or even primarily) from his ability to field grounders or catch popups. How many such chances does he get during a game? Many fewer than he gets chances to catch throws from 2B,SS,3B and P (I mean the total of these is much higher than Grounder/Popup totals). This implies to me that there is value in catching these throws well, even if they are high, up-the-line or in the dirt. ""Good Hands"" are needed for such plays, and thus have value. I don't have any numbers for the relative number of occurences of these plays, but I'd guess that the values of these abilities are similar. It's just like: you don't judge catcher's defense primarily on how they field bunts and popups. (But not as marked I suppose).",rec.sport.baseball 2655,"Hello Net.People, We have a LaserWriter Select 310 (standard 1.5Mb RAM) connected to an LC III (4/80). The print driver cannot find any Adobe Type 1 fonts or any TrueType fonts in the System. The connections to the printer and the Driver installation are correct but this 310 printer still refuses to find fonts and work correctly out of the box. IMHO, an Apple product not working out of the box is a shameful event. The installer disks for the printer install: LW Select 310 driver v 1.0, PrintMonitor v 7.1 and backgrounder v 3.1 (!) on a System 7.1 LC III. Has anyone else had similar experiences with this printer/configuration, because we really need some help on this one.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2656,"DON MATTINGLY IS THE BEST FIRST BASEMAN IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL.....ALWAYS HAS BEEN.....ALWAYS WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ",rec.sport.baseball 2657,"Perhaps it's prophetic that the week ""Where are they now?"" appears and I can claim to be a still-active old-timer, my news software gets bit rot and ships outgoing articles into a deep hole somewhere... Anyway, here's a repost: These days you don't have to fall far behind... Last Monday (admittedly after a long weekend, but...) I had 800+ messages just in those few days. Aside from a hiatus while changing jobs last Fall I've been here since 1990. Hell, Norway? The rubber room at the funny farm? Seminary? It is not given to us to know...",alt.atheism 2658,"Panasonic KX-P2124 24-pin Dot Matrix Printer -320 cps -1/127 in. dot diameter -16-character LCD -Super Quiet Mode -Draft, Letter Quality, Super Letter Quality Fonts -Rear, Bottom, Front, or Top paper feeding (Friction or Tractor) -Color compatible (needs optional Color Kit) -includes Windows 3.1 Panasonic printer drivers disk. Bought it in Jan. '93 and have used it very little. Still has original ribbon cartridge. This is a very nice printer and is in brand new conditio I just dont use it often enough and I need money. I'll take $200 for it. ",misc.forsale 2659,"Gateway service has confirmed my suspicion, echoed by a couple of people who responded to the original request for help. The ATI VLB video board uses the addresses for COM 4. They could suggest no work around. I will be returning the DF IO card they supplied for COM 4 (even though it could not possibly work) for credit against a bus mouse. This will free up the COM port I need - too bad the original salesman who suggested either the DF IO card or the bus mouse would solve my need for a port didn't know enough about the hardware. Otherwise I must say that the 486DX2/66 system has worked very well - no problems with any other hardware or software.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2660,"It used to live in a 1990 SE, and is marked 344-0062, and the ROMs that go with it are 341-0701 & 2. Is this the solution to the person who wants to upgrade to FDHD ? cheers Mike. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2661,"Does anyone out there know of a site that might have a 2-D spline fit routine useful for interpolation? thanks for any help, Craig Morioka",comp.graphics 2662," That is an assumption on your part. Where is your proof that one always will degenerate into hating the sinner, because he hates the sin. I am reminded of the Civil Rights movement in America. It is true that many individuals hated the proponents of racism. It is also true that many individuals hated segregation and discrimination with their whole heart and never degenerated into hating the individuals who practiced it. Dr. King's message was this. Love the individual, the loving of the individual would transform him into a friend. However, this did not take away his hatred for segregation. His hatred for injustice. I would ask, ""Did John the Baptist practice love when he criticized the Jewish Leaders of his day?"" Did Jesus Practice love when he threw the moneychangers out of the temple? We must have at least a distase for sin. We must in order to fight it in ourselves. Also we must be ready for the call from God to call sin by its right name. Jesus loved everyone, but he called sin by its right name. It is true that love for others is to guide every step of our walk, but it is also true that sometimes the love for God calls us to stand up for truth. -- ""Competition is the law of the jungle. Cooperation is the law of civilization."" -- Eldridge Cleaver",soc.religion.christian 2663,"I just got caller-id (except Bell calls it ""call display"" and didn't know what I was talking about when I asked for ""caller-id""). I got the cheapest display box I could find, and hope to convert it to serial out. The chip used is an 18-pin DIP marked ""CDT 14-285"" and ""1473 9220"". I presume the 9220 is the date. I'm hoping somebody out there knows something about this chip, to save me a very strange few hours hooked up to a scope, asking my friends to call me again and again. I'll post any interesting replies, and my experiences. -simon tooke",sci.electronics 2664," One of the main reasons nations like the US and RUSSIA observe satellite that have been launched is FORBs system whick loft nuclear bombs into orbit which are planned to be detonated in LEO causing EMP pulses interfering with the target command and control system. ",sci.space 2665," So, who is Mykotronx, Inc.? It would be nice to know that they are not a front company used by an intelligence or other agency of the U.S. government. While we are at it, the chip design(s) should be examined and verified against silicon to insure no trap doors or hidden protocols exist in silicon, regardless of the security level of the encryption algorithm. There is no proof that the chip won't squeel and role over for someone with the proper knowledge to interrogate it via the communications link. The design examination should be done to the gate level. Also, how does one verify that what you are looking at is reflected in tapeout, or masks? The silicon should be examined as well, the design in hand (a clean room publicly defined clipper chip) can be merged with another design later, or changed between completion and mask out. There is little proof that what you are told is in the chip is all that is in the chip. Put the (verified) masks in escrow, and use them for chip production, use a third escrow party for programming the chips. ",sci.crypt 2666,"Hi All, I've heard of a commercial package named ZINK, that could convert MS-Windows source-code to XWindows source-code (C). The only problem is, the package isn't available in Holland (at least, I can't find it anywhere :-( ) Is there another package (preferrably free- or shareware), that can do the same thing? And if so, where can I find or buy it? Thanks in advance",comp.windows.x 2667," Someone from NASA posted that there were very significant mass margins on the HST re-boost mission. A while back i had asked why not carry the EDO pallet up, and the answer was the mass margins were tight enough, they weren't even carrying extra suits. Where's wingo when you need him:-) COme on. Knock that S**T off. YOu forget, that during skylab, they did overnight mission planning for the repair EVA's. Also during theøÄ Intelsat Mission, they did overnight WETF simulations. I somehow think they could train up a new EVA in 8 months. And as for building hardware, anything can be built if you want it bad enough. YOu forget, the BUS 1 is already built. all they'd ahve to do is soup it up, even test it on a delta mission. Don't get into this mode of negativism. besides, at the rate missions slip, the Discovery won't launch on this mission until March. that's almost a year. Ah, but how much more expensive is the Second HST servicing mission. YOu forget, there is a bum FGS, the Solar array electronics, are getting hinky and there is still 8 months until the servicing mission. The time for the space walks are growing rapidly. THis was orignally planned out as 3 spacewalks, now they are at 5 EVA's with 3 reserve walks. If the SMT can avoid a second servicing mission that's $500 million saved. If the Weight savings, means they can sit on orbit for 30 Days. and handle any contingency problems, that's quite a savings. Of course, there wasn't any need for the Saturn V after apollo too. as for the problems with the aperture door, I am sure they can work out some way to handle that. Maybe a Plug made from Frozen ice.? it'll keep out any contamination, yet sublime away after teh boost.",sci.space 2668,"tha Any death is serious. Wanna discuss match control? Firearms related unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under are the fault of one or more negligent persons, not the gun. Providing false hope, then, is the intent? 200% increase in California schools, eh? Gun control is working fine, there! So your religion is different. Does that make it his wrong? Even assuming Koresh actually made that decision, and the verdict is still out on that. Jim -- jmd@handheld.com",talk.politics.guns 2669,": Oh bull pucky, Ed. They use dogs because a) Many people are : scared shitless of them and b) because of the nose and the : vision and hearing. Without their cop partner in attendance, : the dog is so much meat in the hands of any human with : a bad attitude and al ittle training in violent force. One of the things that police dogs are used for is to ""take the bullet"" instead of the human police officer. As Charles said, many people are scared of dogs and will panic when one goes on attack. They will then turn their weapon on the dog and this allows the police officer to take control. : Your advice is correct, but a dog is still no match for a trained : human in a fight. A single person vs. a single dog in a face-to-face confrontation should really be no contest. The dog is no match for a human willing to fight. Multiple dogs is a different story . . .",rec.motorcycles 2670," Or a religion is a cult that got co-opted by people who are better at compartmentalizing their irrationality. Peter",alt.atheism 2671," What is your proof that they ""did the best they could""? Unless they had strong evidence that the children were in IMMEDIATE danger then ""the best they could"" have done was to SHOW RESTRAINT. Some of us DID predict this outcome, or at least suggested a strong possibility of it. I, for one, said that in the event of an assault against the building the CHILDREN were the ones in danger either from the assault itself or from a ""Jonestown"" (my phrase a week after the seige started) style suicide. And as I pointed out then, and repeatedly over the objections of people on the net who disagreed with me, an adult may freely choose suicide but they have no right to impose this choice on their children. Now, while I don't expect the FBI to pay any attention to what I have to say on this, I *DO* expect them to figure it out on their own or to take the advice of experts. The cult specialist inter- viewed in yesterday's Boston Globe said he was repeatedly ""stonewalled"" by the FBI when he pointed out to them that their confrontational tactics played perfectly into Koresh's mad view of the world and so increased the chance of a tragic outcome. Give *US* a break! Pumping teargas for 45 minutes into a compound filled with CHILDREN?!! This doesn't seem to show much regard for their lives or safety. ""Nontoxic teargas"" is an oxymoron. Children have tiny respiratory passages which are easily blocked by the secretions induced by teargas; moreover teargas can easily cause fatalities in anyone subject to laryngospasms, asthma, or heart disease. If a madman is holding a gun to a hostage, someone who provokes the madman by attacking him bears nearly as much repsonsibility for the death of the hostage as the madman himself. These kinds of situations have to be handled *delicately* - not by surrounding a place with tanks and heavily armed personnel and blaring rock music from loud- speakers at all hours. That approach is idiotic. The solution is to greatly reduce the authority of the ""the authorities"". The Feds showed themselves here, as they have so many times in the past, to be a gang of trigger-happy, impulsive, yahoos who cause more trouble than they prevent. Their confrontational approach reinforced every single message Koresh was giving his followers, virtually guarantee- ing that whatever crazy solution Koresh proposed would be followed willingly. This was pointed out here, on Compuserve, in the press, just about every place except in the Justice Department where it seems a n.i.h. philosophy prevails. ",talk.politics.misc 2672," Thank you very much for clarifying your position and source. Apologies are accepted in good faith. This absolutely was no attempt to bring you to your knees, It is merely a suggestion to really check and re-sheck your sources before throwing a flame into the net. Thanx again",talk.politics.mideast 2673," Yes, Xhibition is for the X Window System. The X Window System Conference remains the largest and most complete conference devoted to X. Nineteen full and half day tutorials and thirty-six technical sessions over three days provide huge amounts of information for X application developers. Add vendor exhibits and a Product Presentation track to provide information on what folks can purchase today, and you have a complete show focused on X11. Speakers at Xhibition 93 include: Bob Schiefler, Lu Abel, Mark Ackerman, Paul Asente, Doug Blewett, Donna Converse, Jim Fulton, Oliver Jones, Keith Packard, Ralph Swick, Doug Young, and many others. Xhibition is growing (fortunately for us:-) and we have added some additional conferences. Surveys that we have given have indicated additional topics of interest. These include: object oriented technologies such as the Object Management Group's ORB and CORBA; C++ as it applies to X; client server technologies such as DCE; threads; databases- object oriented and relational; and (not surprisingly when you look at the audience) Windows NT. With the bulk of the Xhibition audience (and the UNIX community) developing applications for in-house or custom use, a new 32-bit operating system from a player as large as Microsoft needs to be evaluated. With MS Windows on so many desktops, and the price of computing power dropping, its successor needs to be evaluated. As corporations begin to look at NT, so must their developers and suppliers. The mission of the Xhibition technical conferences is to provide information to the application developer and to the technology planner. The NT Conference at Xhibition is designed to do just that. We worked with Microsoft to provide the *only* conference this year specifically designed to show X and UNIX developers the capabilities of Windows and NT. If you aren't sure that NT has what you need for your application development or systems deployment, this is the place to find out. Ask the folks from Microsoft, get them to show you what you need. Conference attendees will receive NT Software Development Kits- to bang on, evaluate, and generally to see for yourself. I hope this doesn't sound like an NT commercial (it should sound like an Xhibition commercial:-). I just want to reiterate that the Xhibition audience is growing and Xhibition is growing along with it. The industry is a confusing place at the moment with UNIX, COSE, NT, DCE, CORBA, and all of the other acronyms sprouting up. Xhibition can help sort out the confusion. -Aub Harden Technical Program Manager harden@ics.com X H I B I T I O N The Conference and Trade ****** ***** Show for Corporate * * * Software Development ****** *** * * 201 Broadway *** ***** Cambridge, MA 02139 Windows on Distributed Computing June 7 - 11, San Jose, CA xhibit@ics.com uunet!ics.com!xhibit Voice: (617) 621-0060 Fax: (617) 621-9555",comp.windows.x 2674,"% %By Elias Davidsson - April 1991 (Revision Oct. 1991) Note - you are already posting ""facts"", some of which are outdated. The biased presentation of facts, as well as the conclusions that you reach leave me little hope of engaging in any fruitful exchange that might lead to a ""meeting of the minds"". It is to those who read with open mind, that I address myself. %The International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of %Racial Discrimination adopted by the General Assembly of the %United Nations in 1965, has now been ratified by most member %states. Article 1 of this Convention defines the term racial %discrimination as ""any distinction, exclusion, restriction or %preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic %origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing %the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of %human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, %social, cultural or any other field of public life."" While the ideals embodied in this text are worthy goals, as the text currently stands I know of no country in which racial discrimination of some sort can not be found. It makes no mention of the need for for a legislative violation. %The General Assembly endorsed in 1975 a resolution defining %Zionism as a form of racism and racial discrimination. The %important, correct and legitimate resolution is incomplete since %it does not include operative statements designed to end Israeli %racial discrimination. Meanwhile the United States, on behalf of %Israel, are exerting heavy pressure on member states of the United %Nations to repeal this resolution and give Israeli racial %practices - Zionism - moral legitimacy. If you are, in principle, advocating UN intervention via operative statements in this case, it must therefore hold that they can be applied to any other case where the council perceives some form of racial discrimination as previously exhibited. Scarey thought. %The very definition of Israel as a State belonging to the Jews of %the world (but not to its inhabitants), alienates all native %non-Jews born in that country. Actually, I know quite a few native non-Jews born in Israel that are not alienated by this law. If you had said some, you would probably be correct, however your tendency to exagerate and slant facts becomes apparent. This slant permeates the text. %Practically all non-Jews who are living in or originate from areas %under Israeli control, identify themselves as Palestinians. Most %of them are Muslim, many are Christian. A few Jews, including the %author of these lines, also identify themselves as Palestinians. The above statement is not true. Practically all - discounting Beduins, Circassians, Druze, and some other fringe groups. Your own identification is a matter that has no bearing upon the issue. You could equally identify yourself as a [insert group]. %Zionism took off in Europe at the end of last century. It's aim %was to create a Jewish state in Palestine in spite of the adamant %opposition of Palestinian Arabs (95% of the population). If I recall correctly, at the time ""zionism"" took off, there was no adamant opposition in Palestine. I am open to any factual contradictory evidence . %But the %Zionists were more powerful, militarily, economically and %technologically, and succeeded in 1948 in conquering 70% of the %area of Mandatory Palestine. After driving into exile most native %Arabs from the conquered areas, approximately 750,000 people, and %razing most of their villages to the ground, the Zionists could %finally establish a predominantly Jewish State. Only 150,000 %non-Jews remained on Israeli territory. Do you therefore contend that the 400 villages you mention further on ""most of their villages""? %Once the Jewish State was established, it began enacting laws to %help the confiscation of land from native non-Jews, their %political repression and their destitution. There is no doubt that laws passed provided a framework which was later used for these purposes. However, you seem to imply that this was the intention a priori, which implies a policy and agenda. My knowledge was that this was not the case. You also neglect to mention the circumstances that surrounded this. As you do again, below. %In 1967 the State of Israel invaded Egypt and Syria and occupied %the rest of Palestine (the West Bank and the Gaza strip). Thus %another 1.5 million Palestinians fell under its juridiction. Its %occupation of Palestinian and other Arab territories is considered %illegal by the international community, as reflected in Security %Council resolutions. Israel has rejected all U.N. resolutions and %began without delay to entrench its occupation and rule over these %territories with the aim of annexing them at the appropriate time. Not quite accurate. Israel has not rejected all the resolutions, though it has conflicting understanding with regards to some of them. Israel never annexed the Sinai, West Bank, or Gaza. The other annexations were brought about partly due to the UN resolutions. %Part of these territores, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, %have already been forcefully annexed by Israel, in defiance of %international law and UN resolutions. Out of curiousity, provided that the annexees are granted citizenship, what int'l law do you claim prohibits annexation of territories captured in war? Has this ever been applied to any other country previously (other than Iraq) ? %It must be emphasized that, although these people live under %different regimes, they are united in their self-perception as %Palestinians, that is as people identifying with Palestine, a %territorial entity (not an ethnic or religious entity). Incorrect! Palestinians themselves claim to be discriminated against on an ""ethnic or racial"" basis. Therefore your above statement is incorrect. I also note that given the previous definition of racial discrimination, the only means that you could argue for that is nationalistically. However, no such nation has existed. It definitely did not exist at the time of the creation of Israel, in which case you can not argue racial discrimination during that period! %Furthermore Palestinians generally consider the PLO both as a %symbol of national identity and as the unchallenged authority that %represents them in world affairs. Once again, some do, some don't. %The non-Jewish population living in the Palestinian and other Arab %territories occupied by Israel in 1967 suffers not only blatant %discrimination but is subject to brutal military occupation. Another generalization, but then again, you don't seem to care about anyone other than the Palestinian people, whose cause you espouse. %licence, to start a business and to buy industrial equipment, the %right to educate children, all of these basic rights are subject %to arbitrary rulings by military authorities and cannot be %challenged in court. Incorrect once again. They have the ability to appeal. Furthermore, although you may not agree with them, not all of the military rulings are senseless or arbitrary. Some are, but this is not due to the ""whims"" of the military as much as the sizeof the task/organization. %Only Jewish inhabitants of the occupied %territories are permitted to carry firearms. Incorrect once again. I know two Arab policemen who lived in Daheisha and there were more. Of course, with the outbreak of the intifada they were forced by the locals to resign, bitterly. %Jewish settlers have %right to 6-7 more water per person than non-Jews. Jewish residents %of these territories number now about 100,000 people. It is Israel %governmentUs policy to increase this number substantially, in %total defiance of international law, UN resolutions and the will %of the population. The State of Israel systematically confiscates %land from non-Jewish inhabitants of these territories for Jewish %settlement. That is no longer true, and I can't help but wonder what your purpose is/was in posting this. %Some 800,000 people in Israel proper,are not Jews. Most of them %consider themselves Palestinians with Israeli citizenship. For %many years after the establishment of Israel they were subjected %to harsh military control. Much of their land was confiscated by %the State and handed to Jewish organisations for exclusive Jewish %settlement. They have been subject to massacres, destitution and %humiliation. While they enjoy, with Jewish Israelis, the right to %vote, they are discriminated against both through law and in %practice. Once again, to hell with the other minorities that don't fit in, right? Their are many villages who did not suffer in the way you seem to indicate, Abu Gosh comes to mind. Yes, some did but as a result of what actions? %Approximately 92% of the surface of the State of Israel within the %Rgreen lineS is for all purposes closed to Palestinians who are %second-class citizens in Israel. They may neither legally live on %such land, nor rent or cultivate it. A direct effect of these %policies is that native non-Jewish citizens of Israel are denied %residence and membership rights in most rural communities in %Israel, including the collective settlements, kibbutzim. Non-Jews %are discriminated against in many other ways: The Government %starves local authorities of Palestinian villages and townships of %funds; Jewish city councils force Palestinians to live in ghettos; %Jewish families receive higher child allocations than their %non-Jewish neighbors, Palestinian schools suffer underfunding and %understaffing (as compared to Jewish schools); Palestinian %children are denied the right to learn their history and %literature; Israelis who struggle for equal rights and for the end %of racial discrimination, suffer continuous harassment by the %authorities. 1. There are some kibbutzim with Arab/Non-Jewish members. It is up to the members of the kibbutz. There is no legislation against it, nor against a purely non-Jewish collective. 2. Funds are the result of political lobbying. Bearing in mind that non_Jews compose ~20% of the voting population, it has never failed to amaze me that they fail to form one large bloc, and increase their power. The recent elections are a case in point. 3. Please provide factual evidence supporting your allegation with regard to educational material. You have obviously never seen the curriculum of a school in the West Bank. It is based upon Jordan's school system. 4. With regard to your last statement, it is simply another gross generalization. %The State of Israel refuses to acknowledge itself as the State of %all its inhabitants. Although the Israeli Cabinet has never %openly endorsed the 'transfer' idea (the forced removal from the %country of its native Palestinian population, that is, its %ultimate Judaization), Israeli government policies towards %non-Jews bear the mark of this 'Final Solution'. No attempt is %made by the Zionist authorities to integrate Palestinian Arabs %into Israeli public life. Thus, although comprising approximately %17% of the population of Israeli citizens, no Palestinian citizen %of Israel has ever served as Cabinet member, as director of %ministry or of a national institution, as judge of the Supreme %Court, as ambassador of Israel, or in any leading position in %Israeli economic or financial life. Even the director of the %Ministry for Arab Affairs - yes, such a thing exists! - is a Jew. Another generalization, but lets not stop here. The transfer idea was espoused by one party in the last gov't, Moledet. It was intended to be a solution to the problem in the territories, not the country itself. With regard to other items, I recall at least one Arab ambassador, and the rest was covered previously. %Although sexual %relations between and cohabitation of Jews and non-Jews are legal, %they are considered by Israeli/Zionist society somewhat a betrayal %of the Jewish and Zionist ethics. The Israeli educational system %nurtures this attitude in a systematic way. When was the last time you were in Israel? That is simply not true, nor has it been for quite some time. The question of religious intervention is best answered by the proportional representation and the lack of any Arab party bloc to counter the orthodox one. %Zionism rejects the idea of a modern secular state, based on %equality of all citizens. This is one main reason why Israel has %not produced any written Constitution. Simply incorrect. The answer is political. Once again, your failure to understand the dynamics and movements inside Israeli gov't, relegates your contentions to the sidelines. %Zionism predicates a state %where Jews have privileged rights. Thus, according to Israeli law, %a Jew born in London, who has never visited Israel, does not speak %Hebrew and professes atheism, is granted automatic Israeli %citizenship, while native Palestinian inhabitants who happen to be %Christian or Muslim, are treated almost as aliens. Racial %discrimination, as defined in international law, is thus not only %reflected in Israeli laws and policies, but is grounded in the %very nature of Israel as a Jewish state. But the discrimination is not based upon race. Oops, sorry, nasty habit I have of countering malicious false truths. %Any proposal for Israeli-Arab and Israeli-Palestinian peace that %does not address the issue of racial discrimination by Israel - %that is the Zionist nature of the State of Israel - is thus doomed %to fail. Real world intrusion - any proposal that does is doomed to fail. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand, wrapped up as you are in your VIEW of things. Let's not let anything penetrate shall we!?! I may be a bit too sarcastic but there is a limit to the amount of patience I have for rubbish at 02:00. ",talk.politics.mideast 2675," His performance at the plate may well be from the shoulder injury received when he ran into the wall making a catch in the Cincy series. It may also be him pressing a little. As for the baserunning, it does not appear to be just Lankford. Dent made the bad call sending Lankford in the Sunday night game against Cincy - but everyone had a bad time against the Dodger's catcher. Good question. At least it doesn't appear that we are seeing the same Zeile :-) ",rec.sport.baseball 2676,"I am just wondering whether the official MLB stats includes Intentional Walks in the BB category or not?",rec.sport.baseball 2677," I don't think so. The assumption is there. If it turns out that their software has a virus, then it is up to you to prove that fact to a court to get any damages. You are theoretically suppossed to be able to get damages for that, but you have to give some evidence that the virus came from that software. But since the computer company is the defendent, they are uninvolved until proven guilty. Please, not Pascal! NOOOOO!! ;) ",talk.religion.misc 2678,"We are looking for GL source code, which was developed by Silicon Graphics (SGI). We would like to compile it on Sun and HP 9000/700s. If there is anyone already supporting GL on HP and Sun, please respond. Also please respond if anyone knows where the source code is available. Thank you",comp.graphics 2679," Yes, unless the observer is at rest with respect to the singularity at infinite distance away. But an observer on a close approach to the BH will see the particle go in in finite time. Peter",alt.atheism 2680," This is factually incorrect. There was at least one message that said that Waco and Clipper justified ""anything"" in response. David",sci.crypt 2681,"Though I downloaded some of the posted bitmaps myself, the original poster is quite right... As an alternative, try posting them at comp.binaries.ms-windows, and just letting us know. A good idea is to post the article number here. peace, Micke",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2682," Well, yes and no. The _image_ can't be on the screen less than 1/30 of a second, but a _mixture_ of images that's about 90% of the field that was supposed to be there and 10% of the 'subliminal' addition could be overlaid for one field, producing the same overall effect to our sluggish retinae of a discrete image projected for 1/300 second. ..although, like the previous poster, I have to reserve my doubts about the effectiveness of said discrete image in steering my subconscious around .. ",sci.electronics 2683,"folks, i am going to be purchasing a new vehicle in the next few months. i am trying to hold out until the fall since i have heard that i can be in a better negotiating position to purchase a '93 right when the '94s are coming out. i need something that can comfortably carry 2 adults, 2 kids in car seats, and 2 60-pound dogs. i can probably afford something in the 14k-16k range. i am interested in the SUV's but am not sure there are any that are decent which i can afford. i think the ford explorer got good reviews from consumer reports but is above my $$$ range. the isuzu rodeo is probably in my price range but i think consumer reports gave it a big thumbs down. can anyone offer any suggestions? i am hoping for something a little more hip than the traditional wagon, and the SUVs look like fun (we do a lot of camping too).",rec.autos 2684," Alan> 2. We can also analyze to whom the Lord is addressing: ""Marvel Alan> not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again"" (John 3:7). Alan> Here Jesus is clearly directing his remarks to Nicodemus -- a Alan> ruler of the Jews (not a child). Yes, but Jesus also made a very general and doctrinal statement in the same conversation: ""Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit."" (John 3:6) Clearly infants are not born of the spirit. Thus, without baptism they are unspiritual. They are not born with the image of God, but in Adam's fallen image (cf. Gen 5:3). They have no righteousness of their own, just as adults have no righteousness of their own. There is only the imputed righteousness of Christ, which believers receive through faith. Alan> 3. We can ask ourselves why the Lord would even introduce the Alan> concept of spiritual re-birth through baptism if newborn babies Alan> weren't free from sin? Your point is a little obscure here, but I think you are saying that Christ used the ""innocence"" of newborn babes as a metaphor for spiritual re-birth. But this is not what he did. If you look at the text, he did not speak of spiritual re-birth but of spiritual birth. We are born of the Spirit once, not twice or several times. We are also born of the flesh once. The Lord makes it clear that these are separate and different events. It is true that other Scriptures refer to spiritual birth as re-birth because it is a second birth (for example, Titus 3:5). But it is not a second *spiritual* birth. The only thing the two births have in common is the concept of birth, which is used as a symbol of `new life' -- not of innocence. When an infant is born (or conceived) a new life is begun--but it is neither innocent nor righteous. Similarly when that same individual is baptized, or perhaps when they believe prior to baptism, they begin a new life in Christ (Romans 6:3, Colossians 2:12, Titus 3:5, Ephesians 2:5). Then the believer has God's assurance of the forgiveness of their sins, and of Christ's imputed righteousness. For references, see The Augsburg Confession Article II, Original Sin, The Apology to the Augsburg Confession, Article II, Original Sin, the Formula of Concord, Article I, Original Sin, and Luther's Large Catechism, Part 4, Baptism. For something more recent, see ""Baptized into God's Family: The Doctrine of Infant Baptism"" by Andrew Das, available from Northwestern Publishing House. Andrew is a graduate of Concordia Lutheran Seminary, St. Louis, and is now pursuing doctoral studies at Yale Divinity School.",soc.religion.christian 2685," That is, if the special software is free, like Xfree86. There are vendors that sells Diamond X drivers for commercial Unices. But then, they charge $$$$. I think they only need a signing (i.e. no paying). This still violates the FSF's policy of publically available code. While this is true, there are fixes for those who have already bought Diamond cards. In Linux, for example, there are utilities that will put the card in VESA mode before invoking X. Of course, this means no fine tuning of Diamond cards, but at least this will allow those who're stuck with them to use Linux+X. I agree with Mark's suggestion: If you are buying a video card for specialized free software, avoid Diamond. But if you already have one, there may be a fix that can help you. James. -- jjctc@chevron.com | The shortest distance between jtsiao@netcom.com | two puns is a straight line.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2686,"A local dealer is offering Mac II vi machines equipped with Kodak multi- session compatible CD-ROM drives for what seems like an attractive price: $1500. I've used many other models up to a II ci, but this would be the first I could have my own Mac. Is it safe to buy an about-to-be discontinued model such as this. I'd like to yank the CD-ROM drive out, put it in a housing and share it with my PC. Is this feasible? The only info I have on the II vi is that it is relatively slow (16MHz), has an 68030 chip with a math coprocessor. I want to add a non-Apple portrait monitor and use this machine for HyperCard stack design. Is this a good buy, or would I be wasting my money? I would appreciate some advice. Thanks! Robert Matthews GRFG128@TWNMOE10.BITNET.EDU.TW",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2687," Do you have a problem with the language? I said everyone suffered emotionally because they sympathyzed with the victims of Holocaust. I wasn't implying that anyone suffered more than the actual victims. Neither was I implying any wrongdoing on the part of the Jews as the cause for the Holocaust. What is wrong with you guys? Regardless of what one says you keep hearing what you want to hear. ",talk.politics.mideast 2688,"I want to thank all the people that responded to my post a few weeks ago about buying an '86 Chev Nova with over 100,000 mi. I decided to buy the car and have had it for about a month. I replaced the front brake pads and changed the oil. So far no problems have surfaced. I received many suggestions and encouragement on this purchase and figured a late ""thank you"" was better than none. Thanks to all!",rec.autos 2689,"Three Bedrooms, One Updated Bath Professionally Lanscaped Front Yard w/ Sprinklers Utilities in Attached One Car Garage Recently Painted Inside Convenient Commute Location Schools: Whisman Elementary, Crittenden Jr. High, Mountain View High $209,900",misc.forsale 2690,"I currently have some grayscale image files that are not in any standard format. They simply contain the 8-bit pixel values. I would like to display these images on a PC. The conversion to a GIF format would be helpful. This conversion can take place either on a PC or on a UNIX system and I could then download it to the PC. Can anyone suggest where I can find software to do this? Alternatively, I may have to write my own conversion program. In this case, could someone tell me where I can find the GIF format specification? Please e-mail me directly at: shayla@shannon.jpl.nasa.gov",comp.graphics 2691," Apparently you are unfamiliar with the history of the FBI. You might try looking up articles from the 70's on the FBI's Cointelpro operation for starters. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI ",talk.politics.guns 2692," * The news statement was that there was $200,000 worth of ""firearms and ammunition (no mention of ""assault weapons"")"" on the premises, not that Koresh had purchased them (what would his crime be if he had?). This averages to about $2000 per person, not an astronomical number. * We don't know that there is a thigh-deep pile of a million rounds... we know that the FBI SAYS there is a pile of a million rounds. ",talk.politics.guns 2693,"Hi- Do any of you hardware gurus out there know what kind of memory architecture Apple uses in the powerbook Duos? Or in the powerbook in general? What are the factors that make the Duo 210 so slow compared to a desktop machine running the same processor at the same speed (25MHz 68030)? How many wait states are in the memory system, etc? What kind of a data bus does it use? 32-bit or 16-bit? It's still slow when plugged into a DuoDock. Anyone know in general what kind of shortcuts notebook manufacturers take when making notebooks? I heard of a 486DX2/66 notebook getting a ""whopping"" 10 MIPS rating. A similar desktop machine should be getting about 3 times that, I guess.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2694,"FOR SALE: 1 ST4766E Seagate ESDI drive. 760 meg $500 unformatted. Without controller. A friend has tested this on his controller and says that it works. As is. 2 meg 256kx4 70ns DRAM. $ 3 each or $48 Please call (908) 219-5935 or email. ",misc.forsale 2695," So far, the medical examiner (according to the news) has found NO EVIDENCE of gunshot wounds in bodies so far examined. If this continues to be the case, it will sort of shoot holes (pun intended) in the FBI story, wouldn't it? And cartridges going off outside a firearm do not launch a bullet like they do when fired from a gun. The bullet hardly moves, it is the brass casing that goes flying, and then with less than lethal force. It will hurt, yes, but not KILL you - I doubt if it wil penetrate a coat, for example. How about an INDEPENDENT investigation, with full subpoena powers, and powers to prosecute on felony charges, to investigate for any possible illegal/criminal activity on the part of both the BATF and FBI? I cannot see any reason why not - to use the phrase they like to use so often, ""if they have nothing to hide..."" they should welcome it, and vigorously support it. Note that an internal investigation by the Dept of Justice is NOT an independent investigation... ",talk.politics.guns 2696,"Hello, We are looking for a graphics package (preferably complete with source code) that will run on our UNIX operating system (a Sequent running DYNIX 3.2). This graphics package must support a wide variety of character based graphics devices (PC's running a terminal emulator, primarily). At this point, X11 graphics is not an option. This graphics program should, if possible, support these sorts of graphics operations (minimum requirements): 1) Complicated axes (log, linear, etc.) with fairly precise axis labels (multi-line labels, etc.) Major and minor tickmarks on axes, etc. 2) It would be nice if some limited amount of color plotting were available, if the output device supported it. We have a copy of gnuplot and are currently using it, but gnuplot has some limitations. We are looking for something more robust than gnuplot. At this point, I'm looking for information about packages that might solve our problems. If you have any information, please contact me at the above email address. If the product you know about is a commercial software package, please send a phone number or email address so that I can contact them about pricing, etc.",comp.graphics 2697," ... There's a better way. Doesn't Qualcom have a secure design that it decided not to market? Since they aren't going to use it, wouldn't the patriotic thing be to put the design in the public domain? How about selling a ""Cryptography Educational Kit"" with the critical parts? Something that could end up as a PC option board with two phone jacks? Cheers, Marc --- Marc Thibault | marc@tanda.isis.org Automation Architect | CIS:71441,2226 R.R.1, Oxford Mills, Ontario, Canada | NC FreeNet: aa185",sci.crypt 2698," ""Let's make a deal!"" If you're going to put up a billion, I'd want to budget the whole sheebang for $450-600 million. If I have that much money to throw around in the first place, you betcha I'm going to sign a contract committing to volume production... ",sci.space 2699,"Honda Accord_4_Cyl. LX Hatchback 3D 5 Speed '82 126,000 Miles with : AM/FM Stereo Cassette Clutch '89 Alternator '90 Battery '93 Carburator '93 Rebuilt Registration expires FEB '94 Asking price : $ 2150.00 Please call 408-366-3570 (Fulvio)",misc.forsale 2700,"Sun SPARKstation laptop Workstation for $2500 or best offer. - 16M RAM expandable to 48M - 200M hard drive - 3.5"" floppy drive - OS 4.1. - Open windows 3 - LCD display - scsi -2 - mouse - AC adaptor, manuals, carring case. Posted for a friend. Please contact him directly.",misc.forsale 2701," I really think that this is the key point. When I saw the incident on Baseball Tonight Sunday, I couldn't believe how far away from the plate Gant went. Then he casually leaned against his bat. I don't blame the umpire at all for telling the pitcher to pitch. The worst part of the whole incident was the Braves coming out onto the field. What were they going to do, attack the umpire? The only people who should've been out there were Cox and maybe the coaches, but NO players. I agree with the person who posted before that Cox should be suspended for having no control over his team.",rec.sport.baseball 2702,"A friend is heavily into MIDI and is using a Quadra 900 (maybe 950) with all but one NuBus slot populated with arcane music hardware and a video card. He reports 8 bit video is too slow for good real-time display of what he needs to see. He also reports that the built-in video is even worse. He's not a Mac guru, and I haven't seen the system, so this is about all I know. I suspect that his NuBus is heavily loaded, and think improvements might come from a switch to an accelerated PDS slot video card. Does this sound right? Who makes a PDS accelerated video card for the Quadra thats worth looking at? Any other suggestions? Thanks in advance!",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2703," Well, yeah, but unlike TIFF they all do substantially more than encode rectangular bitmaps. And the others are hardly trouble free. I hear that it is quite common for CGM implementations not to interoperate. The annoying thing about TIFF is that is that along with the 50 useful options, there are 100 stupid options. The most egregious example is that rather than picking a byte order and bit order and using it consistently in all TIFF files, byte and bit order are options and all TIFF readers on all machines, no matter what their natural byte order, have to be prepared to do byte swapping. There are four slightly different FAX formats -- again, any one of them would have been adequate. RGB images can be stored by pixel or by component, complexity without function, etc, etc. I also note that the TIFF doc says that Aldus' experiments show that LZW reliably compresses as well or better than any of the FAX formats, suggesting that none of the FAX formats are really useful. What's worse, a lot of the formats aren't even implemented very well, e.g., LZW limits code words to 12 bits, while 14 or 16 bits would have provided substantially better compression. And the LZW method compresses bytes rather than pixels. But the absolute worst thing about TIFF is that any vendor can register proprietary TIFF codes and formats without even publicly documenting them. This means that there is NO WAY to write a TIFF reader that can reliably read all incoming TIFF files. Some standard.",comp.graphics 2704," The Delorean used the Peugot/Renault/Volvo V6 in a rear engine configuration. The Bricklin use some 'Merkin iron in a front engine/rear drive configuration. ",rec.autos 2705,"This is my first time on the network, but I am very concerned with this incident in Waco. I will refrain from stating my opinions until after I have read the FAQ. Could someone tell me how to get this? I must say that I believe the Govt. was wrong in the actions that they took in this situation.",talk.politics.guns 2706,"I didn't think the bi-stem design was used so much for the retrieval as for the ability to launch in a tight (size) STS envelope. This is my own guess, based on similar designs flown on other large STS-launched s/c (GRO, UARS). Also, there _might_ be some consideration given to mass requirements (bi-stems weight less than conventional S/A). Finally, the HST arrays _do_ have the ability to be detached--remember, they're going to be replaced with new arrays. However, as an ACS guy who's seen his branch management pull their collective hair out over HST, I would voice a hearty 'yea' to using conventional arrays over bi-stems, whenever possible. No half hertz flexible modes, no thermal snap, no problem.",sci.space 2707,"I'm trying to make a 24 bit window using XCreateWindow on a 8 bit PseudoColor server. As far as I know this should be possible if you server supports a TrueColor or DirectColor visual. I'm using a Sun IPC with a RasterFLEX card. Running xdpyinfo gives: ... screen #0: dimensions: 1152x900 pixels (352x275 millimeters) resolution: 83x83 dots per inch depths (4): 1, 5, 8, 24 root window id: 0x80083 depth of root window: 8 planes number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 6 default colormap: 0x80080 ... number of visuals: 8 default visual id: 0x80079 ... visual: visual id: 0x80079 class: PseudoColor depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x8007a class: TrueColor depth: 24 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0xff, 0xff00, 0xff0000 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x8007b class: DirectColor depth: 24 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0xff, 0xff00, 0xff0000 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits My code looks like this: if ((Xio.DspPtr = XOpenDisplay(NULL)) == NULL) logexit(1, ""Cannot connect to X server %s"", XDisplayName(NULL)); Xio.Scr = DefaultScreen(Xio.DspPtr); /* use this screen */ if (XMatchVisualInfo(Xio.DspPtr, Xio.Scr, 24, DirectColor, &Xtern.ColorInfo)) { memset(&SetWinAttrib, 0, sizeof(XSetWindowAttributes)); Xio.GSwin = XCreateWindow(Xio.DspPtr, RootWindow(Xio.DspPtr, Xio.Scr), x, y, w, h, 0, 24, InputOutput, Xtern.ColorInfo, 0, &SetWinAttrib); } This results in a BadMatch error. Can anyone please tell me why ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------",comp.windows.x 2708,"Hello - I am in need of a file viewer for 24 bit TIFF images, to run under windows (3.1 if it matters); alternatively a package to run an X-server on top of windows would do very well. Unfortunately the budget for this is limited so whatever I end up using has to be public domain or very inexpensive. Thanks in advance for any help, john ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2709,"Q. Should teenagers have the freedom to choose what church they go to? My friends teenage kids do not like to go to church. If left up to them they would sleep, but that's not an option. They complain that they have no friends that go there, yet don't attempt to make friends. They mention not respecting their Sunday school teacher, and usually find a way to miss Sunday school but do make it to the church service, (after their parents are thoroughly disgusted) I might add. A never ending battle? It can just ruin your whole day if you let it.",soc.religion.christian 2710," You need to use your shoulder muscles to push the mower. If you haven't been doing much exercise, as I suppose you haven't, then a constant 20 minute long effort can cause stiffness and cramps.",sci.med 2711,"I am DESPERATELY trying to find a PC based e-mail wide area network service or the necessary network software to establish one myself. While I am aware there are various BBS's and other similar services avalible (like Compuserve, Canada Remote Systems etc.) I require fairly specific criteria. In approximate order of importance they are: 1) The mail/files/news are read/written locally and batched to the network server. (ie. no continuous on-line connection)(NOTE: all users are remote and will use modems over conventional phone lines.) 2) Simple. The users I have for the system have very little computer knowledge have never heard of Unix, and have very little interest in learning. It is essential that the client software is completely pain-free. 3) Cheap. We would prefer not paying high connect fees to an established commercial network, just so we can send large files between members of the group - hence (1). In addition I would like the network server to be something small, simple and inexpensive like a 486. (There are only about 40 people in the group, so it is not a huge network.) 4) The capability for Internet access (for news/mail). 5) Internet style id's (eg. pwood@math.uwaterloo.ca) If anyone knows of a system similar to what I am describing, even if it doesn't sastisfy all my criteria, and I don't care where it is, PLEASE PLEASE e-mail me and tell me about it. We are not adverse to making alterations to an existing system if necessary.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2712," Ouch, this is a good question. To me, not existing is worse than existing no matter what, so I will modify this question to be: would I be a Christian if it made no eternal difference in my reward or punishment? I hope this is in the same spirit you want. I personally am very goal oriented. It is hard for me to do things that do not achieve some goal. However, to relate this to sports, only after I learned to not care about the score did I become a good basketball player. I had to learn to go all out no matter the situation. Perhaps this lesson is relevent. After all, only if I can give up my life can I keep it, only if I am humble can I achieve glory. Only if I concentrate on living my life now the best I can will I be afforded life eternal. I think you have illuminated the true meaning of ""saved by faith."" But what is my answer? Right now I would remain a Christian. However, was that always my answer? That's the problem. Heaven and hell are good motivators at certain stages of maturity. And I admit there are certain times when perhaps I bite my tongue and put up with something in the hope of a better day, i.e. I mentally trade present happiness for future happiness. I hope the cynics and skeptics do not read more into that than appropriate, but I am trying to be honest. I think these kinds of questions are extremely fruitful. I guess it depends on how one views knowledge and learning. By stripping ideas to simple, straightforward, opposing concepts we can determine levels of importance. By analyzing the theoretically absurd we can gain a better understanding of the actually absurd.",soc.religion.christian 2713,"Excerpts from netnews.talk.politics.guns: 21-Apr-93 The Dayton Gun ""Buy Back"" (.. by Larry Cipriani@cbnews.cb Pro-gun people can take used pot-metal guns with sale values LESS THAN $50.00 and turn them in, thus making a profit at the gun-grabbers expense. -Seth __________________________________________________________________________ [unlike cats] dogs NEVER scratch you when you wash them. They just become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong. -Dave Barry",talk.politics.guns 2714,"Has anyone else gotten a system error when trying to print from Mathematica 2.1 to the HP Deskwriter. I'm using a PB170 with: 8 megs ram Sys 7.0.1 + Tuneup HP Print Drivers etc.... It works find on an Imagewriter I. I'd like to get as much information as possible before I send a bug report to Wolfram. Thanks.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2715," This does not propose a _mechanism_ for GRBs in the Oort (and, no, anti-matter annihilation does not fit the spectra at least as far as I understand annihilation spectra...). Big difference. That's ignoring the question of how you fit a distribution to the Oort distribution when the Oort distribution is not well known - in particular comet aphelia (which are not well known) are not a good measure of the Oort cloud distribution... Merging neutron stars is at least a mechanism with about the right energy, except it doesn't explain why there is no apparent correlation with galaxies or galaxy structure, there is no mechanism for getting all the energy out in gamma rays (with any significant amount of baryons around there will be a lot of pair production, which makes a plasma, which thermalizes the energy), it has trouble generating enough energy to explain the most powerful bursts (10^52-53 ergs), it happens too fast compared to the burst duration, and it is hard to make tight-binaries of neutron stars. Another cosmological mechinism is the catalytic conversion of a neutron star to a strange star or the merger of two strange stars, but that uses pretty far-out physics. My point is that we don't have a good mechanism at any distance, so GRB's are likely to be happening by an unknown mechanism, so we can't rule out the Oort cloud. What would be the spectrum of an event which converts a comet to strange matter? The spectra for primordial black holes eating comets and antimatter comets colliding with matter comets aren't quite right, but perhaps there is an unusual mechanism which modifies the spectrum. The energy matches very well for both of these mechanisms. According to Trevor Weeks, if the ""Tunguska Meteorite"" was a mini-black hole collision with the earth, then there are likely to be enough mini-black holes around that the rate for BH-comet collisions matches the GRB rate well. The fact that we don't know the distribution of comets in the Oort cloud isn't a reason to rule them out; it makes it harder to rule them out. The point of the cited paper was that if we assume they got the right distribution for the Oort cloud, it is hard but not impossible to match that up with the distribution of GRB's. If they got the wrong distribution for the Oort cloud, they can't constrain any Oort- cloud GRB's at all.",sci.space 2716,,None 2717,"Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball Harry talks about this ""incident"" in his autobiography ""Holy Cow."" Unfortunately, I can not clarify on this since (1) I read the book a couple of years ago and (2) I do not have my book with me. Anyway, It is a pretty interesting book if you are a Harry or Cubs fan.",rec.sport.baseball 2718,"[ in response to a question about why Jesus' parents would be sanctified beyond normal humanity] I would think that simply being pregnant with the incarnation of the Almighty God would be enough to make Mary blessed among all women, whether or not she had special spiritual attributes. I find that the more special Mary needs to be, the less human Jesus gets.",soc.religion.christian 2719,"From article , by tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard): ",None 2720," No. I see many of the same groups protesting both. I also know people who feel exactly the opposite (i.e., treat citizens better than Saddam). Hey! Sect changes are still illegal in Texas! -- ",talk.politics.guns 2721," Bill, ever heard of secular humanism? Please check out what this stands for, and then revise your statements above. Cheers, Kent ",alt.atheism 2722,"I read somewhere that Kurt Goedel argued that the ontological argument for God's existence was logically reasonable (or something to that effect). Does anyone know if this is true, and have a citation? Thanks.",soc.religion.christian 2723,"day. Recently, I completed a 2 week juice fast (with 3 days of water) and had two colonics as part of it. My motivation was primarily spiritual, to de-toxify from all the crap I've been putting in my body (not like thats enough to clean it all out but it did have an effect). Personaly, I didn't find it an uncomfortable experience (the colonic), lost about 15lbs of beer belly (which hasn't come back over the last month), and feel great. One of the things that prompted me to get the colonic was seeing my 90 year old grandmother chair ridden from colitis (?) from years of indulgence. Not everything that goes in comes out, and personaly I don't mind giving my body a hand once in a while. Just my experience, George Paap",sci.med 2724," If you have something reasoned and intelligent to say then you should post. If all you can do is rant and rave- save it. True conservatism is cutting spending and taxes. It's a matter of debate just how succesful the last few presidents have been at that. I hear it again and again, and I've noticed far more often from liberals than anyone else- ""if you don't agree with me you are close-minded"" Look who's talking. I suggest you take a look at your post. I see nothing but unfair and unsubstantiated generalizations. It suggests that the author is anything but open-minded. Next time you feel like posting something like this- save it for somebody who cares. ",talk.politics.misc 2725,"A > From some of the replies to my original posting, it's evident that some A > people do not secrete enough mucous to keep their nose lining protected ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Include small amounts of hot, spicy foods with your meals. It's not a cure, but many people find it helpful to create extra mucus. You may also consider taking a few drops of iodine in juice or water (consult your doctor first!), which is available OTC in Canada. If you have a sedentary lifestyle, exercising sometimes helps. A > from environmental influences (ie, dry air). But I've had no responses A > from anyone with experience with Rutin. Is there another newsgroup that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A > might have specifics on herbal remedies? A > A > Robert Allison I tried to e-mail you, but our board is having internet problems, so I'm not sure whether you got the information on rutin or not. Rutin is NOT a herb, but part of the bioflavonoid complex. You should generally *not* take rutin by itself, but take the whole bioflavonoid complex instead. If you don't (and there are some exceptions to that) you'll eventually create a hesperidin deficiency, which is the other major component of the bioflavonoid complex. I found out the hard way years ago when I recommended rutin, after it showed deficient in patients who were NOT deficient in hesperidin be- fore. A later retest almost always showed a subsequent deficiency in hesperidin, which, from then on, made me always *add* bioflavonoids to anyone that had *very* low levels of rutin. Most of the time people are equally low in rutin *and* hesperidin, so there is really no reason to take rutin by itself, but use the whole bioflavonoid complex instead. I have several thousand patients taking them with many claiming that they had been helped with hemorrhoids, varicose veins, chronic nose bleeds, aneurysms, gastro-intestinal bleeding (due to drugs), etc... One patient in desperation took a whole bottle (100's) in one day for his painful, bleeding hemorrhoids, without any ill effects. They are also non-toxic in very high amounts, that's why they can be safely recommended. If you are allergic to citrus fruit (they are made from their peels), pine bark sources are available as well. About 90% of patients tested show a bioflavonoid deficiency, with the average daily dosage needed being about 1 - 2,000mg. For major complaints, 4 - 6,000mg+/day is common. In case they cannot be taken, because of their size and taste (they are big, and they don't taste that great), a product made from pine bark extract gives you the same effect and the tablets are quite small and taste much better, however the cost is about seven times higher for the equivalent effect. One 25mg tablet of the pine bark extract gives you about the same effect as 1,000mg of bioflavonoids. The name for the pine bark product is 'Pycnogenol.' Some Canadian brands carrying bioflavonoids are: Quest.............1,000mg big, bitter, not chewable Swiss Herbal........600mg smooth, easier swallowing Jamieson............500mg medium, bitter, chewable SISU.................25mg (Pycnogenol) small, easy swallowing Give them a try and see what happens.....and good luck! -- Ron Roth -- ===================================================================== -- Internet: rn.3228@rose.com - Rosenet: ron roth@rosehamilton -- * ""Eating Radium has strange results,"" Tom said brightly.",sci.med 2726,"And here's my two cents: The best convertible for the money, IMO, is the Miata. Yes, it's small, but you're buying it as a second car, I hope, so you don't need the cargo room of a big car. It's got enough power for fun, it's RWD like a sports car ought to be (I'm gonna regret that :-{) and the top, while manual, operates like a dream. 30 seconds and one hand to lower, and not much longer to raise. The targa-type cars are nice, but they're not real convertibles. --",rec.autos 2727,"""Numerical Recipes in C""..Fortran..Pascal has a nice section on encryption and decryption based on the DES algorithm. There is also source code provided (I think some versions of this book are distributed with the source code on disk; the source code can also be ordered from the publisher).",sci.crypt 2728," >By the way, news.announce.newusers has an article (can't remember which >one) that recommends reading a newsgroup for 1 month before posting. >This makes sense because you get an idea who the players are and what >the current discussions are about. >Am I the only one who followed that advice? No, I spent a month just reading, too, mainly because I did not know much about the way atheists think. I even printed out the FAQs and discussed it with a friend before I started posting. Alt.atheism deals with religious issues (more appropriately, lack of religious beliefs), which are by their very nature very controversial. It makes sense to read what is being discussed and how just to make sure you are not repeating something others have said better. Petri ",alt.atheism 2729,"Can anyone recommend a 3 button mouse that is compatible with MacX and Quadra? If so, can the buttons be programed to say, cut, paste etc? Can anyone suggest a supplier? The only 3 button mice I know exist are: 1. Logitek $106.00 Aust (Injan ). 2. Anorus $100.00 Aust (Mac direct). Are these ok for the above configuration? Please reply me directly. regards Christopher Welsh -- Deakin University Chris Welsh Department of Computing and Maths cris@aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2730,"Here's another question by a hesitant Powerbook purchaser. I want to be able to run Mathematica and would like to hear some comments from the gallery about this. How much slower does the program run on a machine without an FPU (namely a PB160) versus a machine with an FPU (namely a PB170). What types of calculations get bogged down the most. I primarily due moderately simple algebra, integrals which can be dealt with analytically and plotting including 3-d plots. I don't do a lot of numerical work. Would a PB160 with a lot of memory ( and the very nice video port ) be sufficient or should I really try to get an FPU for this type of work? Is a PB170 with 8Mb faster than a PB160 with 12 or 16Mb. All comments appreciated. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2731,": : . : It's my understanding that the U.S. Supreme Court has never : given a legal definition of religion. This despite the many : cases involving religion that have come before the Court. : Can anyone verify or falsify this? : Has any state or other government tried to give a legal : definition of religion? According to the legal practices of today's America, I imagine the legal definition of religion, if defined, may resemble the following: ""Any system of belief or practice to which people are committed for the benefit of society which must, in the opinion of secular thought, be isolated from political and educational influence."" ""Should any system of belief or practice to which people are committed be harmful or void of any benefit to society in the opinion of religious thought as defined in the previous paragraph, isolation of such from political and educational influence would constitute unreasonable censorship and an unlawful violation of civil rights.""",soc.religion.christian 2732," Only if you are in the eastern time zone - pacific will get the Kings vs Calgary ",rec.sport.hockey 2733,"I am looking for GUI Builders/UIMS's which run in a VMS/OpenVMS environment. I am interested in both Motif tools and GUI-independent tools such as XVT. My client also requires that the tool has been in production for at least 6 months in the VMS environment. Note that I have the list of tools from the FAQ, but not the info on VMS availability. Thanks",comp.windows.x 2734,"Hi! My co-worker has just attached a magneto-optical drive to his mac. Works Great for him. However, he tried to turn on file sharing, but it wouldn't work. Had some message about ""Not all volumes are shareable"" ??? So - has anyone had success in sharing MOs? If so, please tell me how!",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2735,"Another idea: Use a laptop computer. As mentioned earlier, the LCD screen is a lot less noisy than a standard CRT, but since many laptops have power supplies that run at 3 volts instead of 5, they would be considerably quieter. Doug Holland ",sci.crypt 2736," -> Without the key, though, the steering column 'lock' would have to be -> sacrificed. Not necessarily. Maybe some sort of servo lock or something along those lines could be used to acheive the same effect. Maybe a solenoid type of thing too. George Howell",rec.autos 2737,"Does anyone have a pair of Sega 3-d glasses they're willing to part with? Or know of anywhere to acquire a pair, as they don't have them around here!!! Thanks. _________________________________________________ Inspiration | ___ | comes to | \ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca | those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca | seek the | /-\ =] Baden de Bari [= | unknown. | |",misc.forsale 2738," Or the price tag of the RX7 vs. a Mustang? Part of the definition of a Mustang is that it should be affordable by the masses. Of course Ford knows youre argument, THEY OWN A BIG PIECE OF MAZDA! Take a good look at a Mach III, now an RX7, hhhmmmmm... That is a tragedy, but I don't think new Camaros or the new Mustangs will. -Steve",rec.autos 2739,"We are researching what support there is on various platforms for applications to use multi-byte characters (e.g., Japanese Kanji). We know that Unix and X Windows can contain support for the i18N standard (depending on level and platform). What support for i18N or wide characters exists on the Mac, Windows 3.1 and Windows NT? ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2740," Anyone who thinks being gay and Christianity are not compatible should check out Dignity, Integrity, More Light Presbyterian churches, Affirmation, MCC churches, etc. Meet some gay Christians, find out who they are, pray with them, discuss scripture with them, and only *then* form your opinion. -- ",soc.religion.christian 2741,"The initiations ceremony for Knights ous is almost as secretive as that for the Mafia. What are the phases of initation and why the secretiveness? ",soc.religion.christian 2742," (Deletion) It has. There is a guy running around in Switzerland who claims to have been conceived similarly. His mother says the same. His father is said to be a bit surprised. But anyway, there have been a lot of Messiahs, and many have had a similar story about their birth. Or their death. A list of Messiahs could be quite interesting. I would wonder why an omnipotent god pulls such stunts instead of providing evidence for everyone to check. And the whole question is absurd. Wouldn't you feel bad if you'd find out that stones are sentient, and that you have stepped on them all your life? And wouldn't you feel bad when you'd see the proof that Jesus was just a plot of Satan? You've forgotten the pride factor. The argument is a fallacy. It is like ""thanks for reading this far"" on the end of a letter. Most religions claim that they won't fizzle because they contain some eternal truth. So does Christianity. Since there are old religions it is no wonder to find old religions that have it that they would last.",alt.atheism 2743,"Anyone have any recommendations/warnings about the Texel 5024 CD-ROM drive or about any of its competitors? I'm looking for a CD-ROM drive for connection to a PAS-16 SCSI port.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2744,"I have for sale a Hayes 2400 Personal Modem (External) for the Macintosh. Really nice small think. Plugs directly into a power plug ands has two long cables, for to the phone and the other to your macintosh. Get back to me if you are interested with an offer. Thanks in advance.",misc.forsale 2745," Rob Niedermayer is a forward (center, I think) with the WHL Medicine Hat Tigers. His brother, Scott, is a defenseman (now with the NJ Devils).",rec.sport.hockey 2746," Proof that the entire private sector is vastly more inefficient? Blue Cross is the government health insurance provider. Oops. [Ads for Z magazine deleted to Save the Earth]",talk.politics.misc 2747," ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Does this mean they can either do alpha or stenciling, but not both simultaneously? ^^ Same question again, does this mean they can either do double buffering or stereo, but not both simultaneously? -- ",comp.graphics 2748," But maybe his wife was :-) I don't claim to know whether it's true or not, but a couple different people (totally unrelated) have said Harry was 'relieved' of his duties because he had more than platonic relations with Augie Busch's wife. Judgement is left to the individual, cuz I sure don't claim to be an impeachable source in this case. ",rec.sport.baseball 2749," ",None 2750,"The Space Calendar is updated monthly and the latest copy is available at ames.arc.nasa.gov in the /pub/SPACE/FAQ. Please send any updates or corrections to Ron Baalke (baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov). Note that launch dates are subject to change. The following person made contributions to this month's calendar: o Dennis Newkirk - Soyuz TM-18 Launch Date (Dec 1993). ========================= SPACE CALENDAR April 27, 1993 ========================= * indicates change from last month's calendar April 1993 * Apr 29 - Astra 1C Ariane Launch May 1993 May ?? - Advanced Photovoltaic Electronics Experiment (APEX) Pegasus Launch May ?? - Radcal Scout Launch May ?? - GPS/PMQ Delta II Launch * May ?? - Commercial Experiment Transporter (COMET) Conestoga Launch * May 01 - Astronomy Day * May 01-2 - Iapetus/Saturn Eclipse May 04 - Galileo Enters Asteroid Belt Again May 04 - Eta Aquarid Meteor Shower (Maximum: 21:00 UT, Solar Lon: 44.5 deg) * May 13 - Air Force Titan 4 Launch * May 18 - STS-57, Endeavour, European Retrievable Carrier (EURECA-1R) * May 20 - 15th Anniversary, Pioneer Venus Orbiter Launch May 21 - Partial Solar Eclipse, Visible from North America & Northern Europe May 25 - Magellan, Aerobraking Begins June 1993 Jun ?? - Temisat Meteor 2 Launch Jun ?? - UHF-2 Atlas Launch Jun ?? - NOAA-I Atlas Launch Jun ?? - First Test Flight of the Delta Clipper (DC-X), Unmanned Jun ?? - Hispasat 1B & Insat 2B Ariane Launch Jun 04 - Lunar Eclipse, Visible from North America Jun 14 - Sakigake, 2nd Earth Flyby (Japan) Jun 22 - 15th Anniversary of Charon Discovery (Pluto's Moon) by Christy Jun 30 - STS-51, Discovery, Advanced Communications Technology Satellite July 1993 Jul ?? - MSTI-II Scout Launch Jul ?? - Galaxy 4 Ariane Launch Jul 01 - Soyuz Launch (Soviet) Jul 08 - Soyuz Launch (Soviet) Jul 14 - Soyuz TM-16 Landing (Soviet) * Jul 20-21 - Iapetus/Saturn Eclipse Jul 21 - Soyuz TM-17 Landing (Soviet) Jul 28 - S. Delta Aquarid Meteor Shower (Maximum: 19:00 UT, Solar Longitude 125.8 degrees) Jul 29 - NASA's 35th Birthday August 1993 Aug ?? - ETS-VI (Engineering Test Satellite) H2 Launch (Japan) Aug ?? - GEOS-J Launch Aug ?? - Landsat 6 Launch Aug ?? - ORBCOM FDM Pegasus Launch * Aug 08 - 15th Anniversary, Pioneer Venus 2 Launch (Atmospheric Probes) Aug 09 - Mars Observer, 4th Trajectory Correction Maneuver (TCM-4) Aug 12 - N. Delta Aquarids Meteor Shower (Maximum: 07:00 UT, Solar Longitude 139.7 degrees) Aug 12 - Perseid Meteor Shower (Maximum: 15:00 UT, Solar Longitude 140.1 degrees) Aug 24 - Mars Observer, Mars Orbit Insertion (MOI) Aug 25 - STS-58, Columbia, Spacelab Life Sciences (SLS-2) Aug 28 - Galileo, Asteroid Ida Flyby September 1993 Sep ?? - SPOT-3 Ariane Launch Sep ?? - Tubsat Launch Sep ?? - Seastar Pegasus Launch October 1993 Oct ?? - Intelsat 7 F1 Ariane Launch Oct ?? - SLV-1 Pegasus Launch Oct ?? - Telstar 4 Atlas Launch Oct 01 - SeaWIFS Launch Oct 22 - Orionid Meteor Shower (Maximum: 00:00 UT, Solar Longitude 208.7 degrees) November 1993 Nov ?? - Solidaridad/MOP-3 Ariane Launch Nov 03 - 20th Anniversary, Mariner 10 Launch (Mercury & Venus Flyby Mission) Nov 03 - S. Taurid Meteor Shower Nov 04 - Galileo Exits Asteroid Belt Nov 06 - Mercury Transits Across the Sun, Visible from Asia, Australia, and the South Pacific * Nov 08 - Mars Observer, Mapping Orbit Established Nov 10 - STS-60, Discovery, SPACEHAB-2 Nov 13 - Partial Solar Eclipse, Visible from Southern Hemisphere Nov 15 - Wilhelm Herschel's 255th Birthday Nov 17 - Leonids Meteor Shower (Maximum: 13:00 UT, Solar Longitude 235.3 degrees) * Nov 22 - Mars Observer, Mapping Begins Nov 28-29 - Total Lunar Eclipse, Visible from North America & South America December 1993 Dec ?? - GOES-I Atlas Launch Dec ?? - NATO 4B Delta Launch Dec ?? - TOMS Pegasus Launch Dec ?? - DirectTv 1 & Thiacom 1 Ariane Launch Dec ?? - ISTP Wind Delta-2 Launch Dec ?? - STEP-2 Pegasus Launch * Dec ?? - Soyuz TM-18 Launch (Soviet) Dec 02 - STS-61, Endeavour, Hubble Space Telescope Repair Dec 04 - SPEKTR-R Launch (Soviet) * Dec 05 - 20th Anniversary, Pioneer 10 Jupiter Flyby Dec 08 - Mars Observer, Mars Equinox Dec 14 - Geminids Meteor Shower (Maximum: 00:00 UT, Solar Longitude 262.1 degrees) Dec 20 - Mars Observer, Solar Conjunction Begins Dec 23 - Ursids Meteor Shower (Maximum: 01:00 UT, Solar Longitude 271.3 degrees) January 1994 Jan 03 - Mars Observer, End of Solar Conjunction Jan 24 - Clementine Titan IIG Launch (Lunar Orbiter, Asteroid Flyby Mission) February 1994 Feb ?? - SFU Launch Feb ?? - GMS-5 Launch Feb 05 - 20th Anniversary, Mariner 10 Venus Flyby Feb 08 - STS-62, Columbia, U.S. Microgravity Payload (USMP-2) Feb 15 - Galileo's 430th Birthday Feb 21 - Clementine, Lunar Orbit Insertion Feb 25 - 25th Anniversary, Mariner 6 Launch (Mars Flyby Mission) March 1994 Mar ?? - TC-2C Launch Mar 05 - 15th Anniversary, Voyager 1 Jupiter flyby Mar 14 - Albert Einstein's 115th Birthday Mar 27 - 25th Anniversary, Mariner 7 Launch (Mars Flyby Mission) Mar 29 - 20th Anniversary, Mariner 10, 1st Mercury Flyby * Mar 31 - Galaxy 1R Delta 2 Launch",sci.space 2751," Maybe you should dig a little further Charles. Hislop's scholarship was accepted by the Bristish Oriental Institute which, at the time, was the premere Institute for Oriental studies. As I've stated over and over, I've checked out about 25% of his references (most are now out of print or in private libraries) and the likes of Wilkerson and Layard hold their own merit. THey too came to the same conclusions and if you will trouble yourself, you will find that their knowledge of the mysteries have yet to be surpassed. Both were highly honored by the British Oriental Museum. Wilkerson is known as one of the leading archeologist in the history of Egyptiology and Layard is still being refered two after 200 yrs of archeology in the Mesopotamian regions. He was recently refered to in a TIME article on Babylonian archeology. Phony scholarship is when you review their references and find that they have misquoted or misrepresented the conclusions. Hislop did not. His conclusions do not tickle the ears, that much is self evident. But to assert that his conclusions are ""spurious"" is without merit. He gave references to all his conclusions and as I have stated, for the last 25 years I have used his conclusions in debates at RC seminaries and brotherhoods, not to mention the individual priests and bishops that I have talked to one on one. No counter to Hislops scholarship was made. The only rebuttals were against his conclusions because they do totally undermined the claims of the RCC. He was showing that the intitution of the RCC was based on the mysteries (which others have shown even to this day in various articles and topics). THe tongues movement in Corinth was a direct result of the mysteries entering into the church. If it was so in Corinth, why could they not have an influence in Rome, the city of seven hills? Also, you do not have to listen to his conclusions, you can draw your own conclusions by looking at the customs, artifacts, the cerimonial dress, the docrine of purgatory, etc from the vantage of the mysteries. You don't even have to be a believer to see the parallels. Just one example. THe mitre. Where did it come from? Why is it shaped the way it is? What are the two tails that hang down the back represent? Was this an ancient head dress from an earlier culture and why was it in Rome at the time of the beginnings of the church of the State of Rome? Does it have pagan history behind it, and if so, why did the RCC chose regardless? Any lay person of middle eastern religion can answer these questions. Even the scriptures themselves refer to it. All Hislop did was collect the information from all the various sources and put them in one binding. There is no lack of scholorship in that. Please tell me why you discredit this man by your accusation, yet present no evidence supporting it. ",soc.religion.christian 2752," That has sort of happened for real. Back in the 1920's travellers in the Sudan would find strange cigar shaped designs on native huts. When asked the locals would say it was a picture of the great omen that appeared in the sky. This was LZ 53 a zepplin flying from Bulgaria to German East Africa with supplies in 1917 (and back since it was fooled by the British secret service.)",sci.space 2753," Unfortunately, Roger is now over at r.s.baseball spewing his expertise (i.e. being a dickhead). I guess he is afraid of posting anything here, because he knows what to expect.",rec.sport.hockey 2754,": : BUT, to say you're an atheist is to suggest you have PROOF there is NO GOD. : To be a politically-correct skeptic, better to go with agnostic, like me! :) : As a self-proclaimed atheist my position is that I _believe_ that there is no god. I don't claim to have any proof. I interpret the agnostic position as having no beliefs about god's existence. ",sci.med 2755,"I have a 486/33 VLB machine, with a Wang 96/24 fax/modem. When using the windows terminal application, the only way I can get it to 'see' the modem is to change it to COM2, then go back and change it to COM4. Then it works fine. (I have it set to COM4 as the port to use) I don't have anything plugged into COM2, and I've looked over the manual for all it's worth, but what am I missing? The modem is jumpered for COM4/IRQ3, which I understand means I can't use the second serial port and the modem at the same time, but I'm not using the second serial port anyway. Also, when using Procomm + for DOS, it always sees the modem and dials, but doesn't always connect me when the other end answers. Don't know if that helps any. Thanks,",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2756,"Paul Fortmann submitted a sermon by Peter Hammond on PRAYING FOR JUSTICE that spoke of the positive value of the Imprecatory (Cursing) Psalms. In this connection, I recommend to the membership the book REFLECTIONS ON THE PSALMS, by C S Lewis, with special reference to the chapter on ""Cursing in the Psalms.""",soc.religion.christian 2757," The Houston Chronicle last Thursday (maybe Wednesday) said that the interior of walls had been covered with hay bales to help protect against bullets. Many of you know how fast dry hay burns. In addition, the gas is specifically designed to force eyes closed and the victim to vomit. How fast could you leave your burning office or home if your eyes were closed and you were retching violently? -- ",talk.politics.guns 2758," Our doctors' monopoly is exactly the same as in the U.S., if not more powerful now that they can dictate insurance payment rates, but I don't know an answer to this one. Anecdotally, my friends who are MD's (including my main buds from high school) talk about how hard it is to turn ""state's witness"" against someone else ... no direct experience there, though. Well, what American private insurance plans cover travel expenses??? Since our public insurance plans are publicly accountable, one can raise a stink in the media to try and extort benefits beyond which one is entitled (hey, not Alberta's fault that he lives there) ... If he lived in Cheyenne, WY his private insurance would've told him to go to hell for the travel expenses and that's that. An HMO would have just kept quiet and let him go blind. I don't think that this has been shown with the DMC ... It's regular practice in a hospital to figure out who needs to get at what facilities. Don't Americans have to arrange in advance for operations too? I think that there are two standards being applied here, and that Canada can't give Beverly Hills-style treatment to everybody. It's not a big brother list ... it's more like calling around town for a table for dinner ... Yes, and the Tories in Ottawa are trying to make them do that rather than hope for a bigger grant from the feds and their province the next time around. Whether it's using mop a couple of weeks longer or even selling services to Americans (remember, our system is cash based and since our health care infrastructure is overbuilt except in specialties that require larger populations to generate business, why not? The alternative is closing unused wards ... business.). You answered the question yourself ... ""private nonprofit foundations have to make money somehow"", and I think that it's about time that they acted like the private hospitals that they are. Personally, I'm fed up with Canadian socialists trying to tell everyone that their health care is free when we are actually buying insurance (that's one at you, Bob Rae!!). Since we have always been evaluated in an OECD style, I don't see how ... remember, OECD counts both private and public funds, and in Canada like France and Germany, 30% of health care spending is private funds (i.e., not the basic health insurance money). Minor copayments can flush out abusers. Remember that our ""system"" is only an insurance policy. But our costs aren't rising fast enough to ensure adequate copayments/deductibles ... last year, Quebec's user-fee proposal came out with the number of ""$5"" as the necessary hike that could be done through a copayment rather than give the QMA a raise. And it's not contract time yet, as far as I can tell from UPI Clarinet ... Even the new Reform Party, a breakoff of traditionalists from the Conservatives with a mildly ""libertarian"" faction, holds our public health insurance as an untouchable but that just a few people have to be reminded that it's not free (the average Canadian/European is more fiscally naive than their American counterparts on issues like these). But no mention of copayments anywhere to be seen ... but cutting public spending all over the place, and bringing back the death penalty, with little haste if elected. Sorry! (-; It's just that I even run into people from Buffalo and from Michigan who don't know ... Yeah, but there'd be a lot of lead-time and a health-care crisis that would preclude it. If provincial governments (as bad as some of them are; heck, we have the NDP cleaning up a spending mess made by the Conservatives in Saskatchewan - embarassing!) can be so irresponsible, there is still reallocation --- health insurance is so important that it's about the only thing that can inspire open rebellion and violent insurrection outside of the hockey rink. Right now, attempts to get the system and its users to learn good habits are being treated like cod-liver oil ... Most Americans are fearful of a single-tier system ... (-; Seriously, there are few areas that have sufficient population for a two/more-tiered system like what the French have ... a health policy prof, D.G. Shea, has cited studies in the NEJM that indicate having a population of 500,000 is necessary for adequate competition ... and in Canada, there are only four cities west of the Great Lakes with that population or larger. Anyways, the numbers show that costs have held steadier than those in the U.S. and barring any future Chernobyl-like crisis, sudden transients in spending are unlikely. In fact, the health allocation is one of the most well-behaved sectors of spending up north so any talk of bankruptcy is talk-radio fodder far away from the border. This won't be overnight, and something like this would force Canada to have a system more like the French one ... but that's not a bad thing, and the change will be minimal (i.e., add copayments and frustrate the socialists chanting ""Hey, it's *free*!""). gld",talk.politics.misc 2759,"Our group is interested in using a 'pixmap' format for multi-colored icons/buttons etc that is easily converted to and from other format from 'resource' files. Using pbmplus we can easily move to/from Xpm to our other environments of MS-Windows and OS/2 PM :-(. We were wondering if Xpm or some other format is under consideration to be used as a standard by the X consortium for R6 as we would prefer to use whatever will be best supported by X. Along the same subject line, is the reason the standard X pixmap is not used because it doesn't have an associated colormap and other attributes? or is it more involved? just wondering why there aren't editors for pixmaps out there for the 'original' format. Email replies preferred. Thanks in advance.",comp.windows.x 2760," Is that how the mind of a compulsive liar works? The scenario and genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in x-Soviet Armenia is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan. There are remarkable similarities between the plots, the perpetrators, and the underdogs. The stories of survivors of Karabag massacre: 69 year old Hatin Nine telling: -''My Twin grandchildren were cut to pieces in front of my eyes. They told me: We won't kill you. But the babies have to die in front of your eyes.'' 72 year old Huseyin Ibrahimoglu: - ''Our Turkish village in Khojalu Town was blown up in two hours. Turks, you must die.'' 28 year old Gulsum Huseyin: - ''They bayonetted my 3 year old daughter in her stomach in front of my eyes.'' Are these stories lies? Have the eye-witnesses been day-dreaming? Were these stories forged by Turkish journalists in the region? The nonsense of such a claim is clear from the writings of British Journalists, too. Two days before we had quoted from a Sunday Times article. They[British] reported the events in Karabag even before Turkish journalists. What is more here are the pictures. Pictures of people who were bayonetted, whose eyes were gouged, ears cut off. Even the Armenian Radio couldn't claim these ""lies."" They are saying ""exaggeration."" That means ''somethings'' have happened but the situation is not as bad as reported. Perhaps that village of Khojalu town was destroyed in 4 hours, instead of 2... Or Gulsum Huseyin's 3 year old daughter was bayonetted in her chest instead of stomach... The massacre is clearly seen with all its dimensions. The effects of this massacre on Karabag and environs cannot be reduced by any word. Some of the western press', led by some French Newspapers, ability to ''close their eyes'' is nothing but complicity in this massacre. Yesterday we gave samples from Le Figaro. Until yesterday's print no news about the real events in Karabag were printed. So were the French TV channels.. The subject they considered related to Karabag was ''The necessity of protecting Armenians against Azeri attacks.'' The age we are living in is termed a human rights age. There are lots of organizations such as United Nations and CSCE(Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe), and rules, all designed to fight against human rights violations. International reactions must be made with international cooperation. With support of everybody and every organization claiming to be civilized. Could there be a more serious human rights violation than that of the right to live -and with such levels of barbarity and cruelty-? Where is the cooperation? Where are the reactions? And the intellectuals, journalists, writers, TV stations of certain western countries such as France who are fast to claim leadership of ""human rights?"" Where are you? Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 2761," It is one thing to be open-minded about phenomona that have not be demonstrated to be false, and quite another to ""believe"" in something like Krilian photography, where *all* the claimed effects have be demonstrated to be artifacts. There is no longer any reason to adopt a ""wait and see"" attitude about Krilian photography, it has been experimentally shown to be nothing but simple coronal discharge. The ""auras"" shown by missing leaf parts came from moisture left by the original whole leaf, for example. That's what science is, son.",sci.med 2762," The dogma of the Assumption does not state whether or not Mary died a physical death before being taken into Heaven. Catholics are free to believe what they wish, whether it be that she was taken still alive, or after having died. I lean somewhat toward the latter myself.",soc.religion.christian 2763," The following news from Turan News Agency in Baku-Azerbaijan is brought to you as a service of: P.O. Box 14571 Berkeley, CA 94701 FAX: (804) 490-3832 Email: farid@mem.odu.edu P L E A S E make a hard copy of the news available to an Azerbaijani near you! ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// H E A D L I N E S | * THE NEW VICE-PREMIER PLANS TO INTENSIFY THE WORK ON THE ATTRACTION OF WESTERN INVESTMENTS * THE PROPOSAL TO SUMMON SPECIAL SESSION OF THE SUPREME SOVIET IS REJECTED AGAIN * THE PROSPECTS OF TRADE/ECONOMIC COOPERATION BETWEEN AZERBAIJAN AND ESTONIA * AZERBAIJAN DOES NOT INTEND TO JOIN THE CIS COMMON ECONOMIC ZONE * THE QUESTIONS OF GRANTING CREDIT TO AZERBAIJAN WILL BE DISCUSSED IN MOSCOW * AZERBAIJAN WILL REPLY TO THE SECOND VARIANT OF TRILATERAL INITIATIVE BY 26 OF MAY * THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE PROSECUTOR OF THE REPUBLIC OF AZERBAIJAN * AZERBAIJAN'S PARLIAMENT INTENDS TO APPEAL TO RUSSIAN PARLIAMENT REGARDING THE SIX ACCUSED SOLDIERS * ARMENIANS ARE PREPARING MORE ""KARABAKHS"" ON THE NORTH CAUCASUS * STATE ASSISTANCE FOR NATIONAL MINORITY DEVELOPMENT * MEMORANDUM OF COOPERATION ON EXTRACTING OIL-GAS FIELDS OF AZERBAIJAN WAS SIGNED * ARMENIA TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE PROSECUTION OF SIX RUSSIAN SOLDIERS * NEW PROVOCATIONS OF ARMED FORCES OF ARMENIA * ""UNOCAL"" COMPANY WILL BUILD 50 HOUSES FOR REFUGEES IN AZERBAIJAN * MANAT IS BEGINNING TO FALL IN VALUE * THE DISCUSSION OF PARLIAMENTARY ELECTION BILL WILL LAST TILL MID JULY * ISA GAMBAR SUGGESTS THAT AZERI-RUSSIAN PARLIAMENT COMMISSION FOR CLARIFYING THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE CRIMINAL CASE BE CREATED * WILL THE TRILATERAL INITIATIVE BE RUINED? * FATE OF 645 MILLION TONS OF OIL WILL BE DECIDED THIS SUMMER * THE SCIENTISTS-LAWYERS OF RUSSIA APPEALED TO THE PRESIDENT OF AZERBAIJAN * ARMENIAN ARTILLERY CONTINUES FIRING ON AZERI DISTRICTS * AZERI PRIME-MINISTER IS LEAVING FOR GREAT BRITAIN THE NEW VICE-PREMIER PLANS TO INTENSIFY THE WORK ON THE ATTRACTION OF WESTERN INVESTMENTS BAKU (MAY 19) TURAN: Yesterday, Rasul Guliyev, the recently appointed Vice-Premier of the republic, received the US ambassador in Azerbaijan, Richard Miles. As ""Azerbaijan"" newspaper informs, the issue of attraction of western investments in Azerbaijan was discussed in the meeting. In particular, Gulyiev stated that western capital has to be investigated in the most profitable spheres of manufacture. He also noticed, that the number of the priority manufactures will be released from debts. Guliyev also said that intensifying the activities of the American oil companies will promote the strengthening of the American-Azeri relations. THE PROPOSAL TO SUMMON SPECIAL SESSION OF THE SUPREME SOVIET IS REJECTED AGAIN Baku (May 19) Turan: Yesterday, in the sitting of the Milli Mejlis, the chairman, Isa Gambar, rejected the proposal of the deputy Arif Rahimzade to summon a special session of the Supreme Soviet of Azerbaijan. This written proposal to summon a session was signed by 130 deputates. But the chairman said that the signatures were invalid and the proposal couldn't be submitted for discussion. Earlier, the leadership of the Milli Mejlis called the proposal to summon a special session of the Supreme Soviet a coup attempt. But the deputy for the Parliament, Rahimzade, doesn't consider that the deputates have the objective of removing Milli Mejlis and its chairman from the power. It concerns the serious analysis of the social, economic and foreign policy activity of the republic's authority. Rahimzade said that the deputates for the Parliament, ejected from their duties one year ago have the rights to express their opinion on these questions. The Supreme Soviet of Azerbaijan (340 deputates) was dissolved one year ago, when it attempted to bring Ayaz Mutalibov back to the power. The functions of S.S. were handed over to Milli Mejlis, consisting of 50 deputates (25 ""democrats"" and 25 ""partocrates""). At that time ""democrats"" and ""partocrates"" came to an agreement that Milli Mejlis wouldn't exist for a long time and would be dissolved after parliamentary elections. At the same time, the deputates ejected from their duties were guaranteed that they could summon a session of the Supreme Soviet any time and went in for political activity out of the Parliament. --0-- THE PROSPECTS OF TRADE/ECONOMIC COOPERATION BETWEEN AZERBAIJAN AND ESTONIA Baku (May 19) Turan: The prospects of signing trade-economic agreement between Azerbaijan and Estonia were discussed in the meeting of the Foreign Minister Tofig Gasimov with the group of experts of the Ministry of Economics, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Estonian Bank administration on May 18. The group of experts is headed by Tikht Reiman, the chief of the Ministry of Economics of Estonia. The MIA of Azerbaijan informed Turan agency, that in their stay in Baku, the delegation will also visit Ministry of Economics and National Bank of the republic.--0-- AZERBAIJAN DOES NOT INTEND TO JOIN THE CIS COMMON ECONOMIC ZONE Baku (May 19) Turan: Deputy prime-ministers of the republic, Vahid Ahmedov and Abbas Abbasov declared that Azerbaijan wouldn't join the CIS common economic zone. Vahid Ahmedov considers that the CIS economic zone proposal to create a common tax system contradicts independent economic policy of the republic. According to Abbas Abbasov, the pact of cooperation proposals, submitted for the discussion of the leaders of CIS states in Moscow on May 14, has a number of unfavorable points for Azerbaijan. Such announcements of two deputy prime-ministers sound sensational on the background of the fact that the president of Azerbaijan and the chairman of the Parliament noted the necessity of the republic on joining the CIS economic zone.--0-- THE QUESTIONS OF GRANTING CREDIT TO AZERBAIJAN WILL BE DISCUSSED IN MOSCOW Baku (May 19) Turan: Today, Azerbaijani delegation headed by the director of the foreign relation department of the Ministry of Finance of the republic along with the representatives of the National Bank will leave for Moscow to hold consultation with Russian government on granting credit to Azerbaijan. According to the preliminary information, the credit will be 50 billion rubles. As press-centre of Ministry of Finance informed Turan's correspondent, precise amount of the credit, conditions of its repay and a number of other questions of mutual interest will be discussed in the course of the meeting in Moscow. It is known that this credit will be mostly used for mutual settling of industrial enterprises of Azerbaijan and Russia. When the sides reach the agreement, it is proposed for signing by the end of May.--0-- AZERBAIJAN WILL REPLY TO THE SECOND VARIANT OF TRILATERAL INITIATIVE BY 26 OF MAY Baku (May 19) Turan: On the measures for peace presented by Russia, Turkey and the USA to Azerbaijan and Armenia, the representative of the president of Azerbaijan in the talks on Nagorno-Karabakh, Asim Gasimov noted that the plan was not seriously changed in comparison with the first variant. ""Just some comments to several points were added to the schedule by insistence of the Armenian side. We do not intend to come back to the analysis of the schedule, because we have given a positive answer to it on May 6"",- said Gasimov. The representative of the president of Azerbaijan informed that they just began to work on the examination of the commentary, and their answer would be given as requested by the authors of trilateral initiative by May 26. As it is known, the first variant of the peace measures was rejected by Armenia, which put forward a number of pre-conditions for its acceptance.--0-- THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE PROSECUTOR OF THE REPUBLIC OF AZERBAIJAN BAKU (MAY 20) TURAN: The Azerbaijani prosecutor's office has announced that the Russian mass media's attempt to portray the 6 Russian soldiers condemned by the military board of the Azerbaijani Supreme Court, as innocent people is unjustified. Accounts of the witnesses and the confessions of the condemned themselves, prove that their crimes were committed together with the Armenian military units and with the knowledge of the headquarters of the Russian army unit, where they served. The announcement points out that the attempts to represent these soldiers as ordinary mercenaries who have nothing to do with the Russian army are also unfounded. For there are irrefutable evidences that these soldiers were on the list of one of the military unit's of Russian commandos in Yerevan. Certain Russian circles try to conceal the fact of direct participation of the Russian army in the undeclared war of Armenia against Azerbaijan from the Russian community. Azerbaijan's prosecutor's announcement follows, that this type of actions can make the situation in the region much more complicated.--0-- AZERBAIJAN'S PARLIAMENT INTENDS TO APPEAL TO RUSSIAN PARLIAMENT REGARDING THE SIX ACCUSED SOLDIERS BAKU (MAY 20) TURAN: As Turan agency was informed, parliament of Azerbaijan is considering the question of appealing to Russian parliament about the six accused soldiers' fortune. In particular, the offer to send the representatives of the Commission on military affairs of the armed forces of Russian Federation to Baku for the detailed study of the results of six Russian soldiers' case will be directed to Russian parliament. According to one of the supporters of this offer, such initiative will give Russian parliament the possibility to be convinced of the correctness of the investigation. There will also be a chance to discuss the reasons that have given rise to the present situation - that is the Russian troops participation in the war against Azerbaijan. ARMENIANS ARE PREPARING MORE ""KARABAKHS"" ON THE NORTH CAUCASUS BAKU (MAY 20) TURAN: The National-liberation front founded by group of Armenians living on the North Caucasus appealed to establish Armenian autonomies on the territories of Rostov, Stavropol and Krasnodar regions, - reported the newspaper ""Russky vestnik"" on March 9, 1993 published in Geneva. The North Caucasus is regarded as an integral part of Armenia in the documents of this organization. Admitting the non-realizability of ""reunion"" of the North Caucasus and ""Armenia proper"" at present, the front is appealing to the UN, presidents of Russia, Armenia and the United States to consider the need to establish Armenian autonomies on the Caucasus. To attain these goals, the Armenian organization considers it necessary to carry out on the North Caucasus the forms and methods of activity ""identical to those in Nagorno Karabakh"". Besides the decision to fund cells of Armenian national-liberation fronts in every settlement and to appeal to leaders of Armenian terrorist groups in Greece and Iran to sent to the North Caucasus instructors for training of Armenian youth to wage secret wars was adopted. Thus according to the newspaper ""Russky vestnik"", ""new Karabakhs"" are being planning on the North Caucasus. --O-- STATE ASSISTANCE FOR NATIONAL MINORITY DEVELOPMENT BAKU (MAY 20) TURAN: The meeting headed by the State secretary of Azerbaijan, Ali Kerimov, with the participation of the national cultural centers was held in Baku. The first results of the realization of the president Elchibey's decree on state assistance for the development of language and culture of national minorities adopted on September 16, 1992 were considered. The State secretary called this decree as an important step to establish a legal democratic state. He confirmed once more the commitment of the leadership of Azerbaijan to set up a democratic society in which the rights of all nationalities and ethnic groups would be respected. The State Counsellor of the president of Azerbaijan on the national policy, Hidayat Orujev, announced that in spite of the difficulties of the ""undeclared war"" against the republic, the leaders of the state managed to solve many problems concerning the satisfaction of cultural and other needs of the ethnic groups. For today, all 33 national-cultural centers registered by the Ministry of Justice in the capital of Azerbaijan are provided with accommodation, furniture and means of communication. All the accommodations are rent-free ( 8 foreign diplomatic missions in Baku are placed in the hotels because of the absence of free accommodations including the representation of the UN General secretary). As it was noted, a great work was carried out since the decree was adopted to create conditions for total development of the ethnic groups. On the North of Azerbaijan where Lezghins live, a national Lezghin theater was opened, radiocast is transmitted in Lezghin. The work over the creation of the educational literature for Talyshs, Tats, Lezghins and Kurds and national teaching and scientific staff is being carried out in the Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan.--O-- MEMORANDUM OF COOPERATION ON EXTRACTING OIL-GAS FIELDS OF AZERBAIJAN WAS SIGNED BAKU (MAY 20) TURAN: As Turan agency was informed in the State concern ""Azerineft"", the Memorandum of understanding with the companies ""AMOCO Caspian Sea Petroleum"", ""Bi-Pi Exploration Operating"", ""Pennzoil Caspian"", ""Unocal Khazar Ltd."", ""McDermott"" and Turkish oil corporation on mutual extracting of fields ""Azeri"", ""Chirag"" and ""Gyuneshli"" was signed. According to the memorandum, the general group on preparing of a common program of activity was created. According to the president of ""Azerineft"", Sabit Bagirov, cooperation will provide for using the experience of foreign companies more efficiently. During the project, the main principles will be the effective use of oil-gas resources, the rational sharing of investments, the reducing of exploitation expenditures and maximizing the profit of Azerbaijan from the exploitation of these fields. The memorandum also envisions the necessity to take into account the historical and political-economical interests of Azerbaijan under optimum use of oil-gas fields. --O-- ARMENIA TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE PROSECUTION OF SIX RUSSIAN SOLDIERS BAKU (MAY 21) TURAN: After Azerbaijani court passed sentence on six Russian soldiers fighting on the Armenian side in Karabakh, Armenian propaganda has become actively involved. The Armenians living in Russia appealed to the president Yeltsin with a request ""to display firmness in asserting the rights of Russian soldiers"". At the same time, Armenian mass media call legal proceedings on the case in Baku as ""a farce aimed at getting more arms from Russia"". The Karabakh Armenians have issued a threat recently. If one could believe the Yerevan agency ""Snark"", the Armenians in Karabakh presented an ultimatum to authorities in Azerbaijan. The essence of this ultimatum is that if Russian soldiers are not shown mercy, three Azeri prisoners in Karabakh will be shot dead. It is simple to explain such ""touching attitude of Armenians"" to the six Russian soldiers' fate. If by chance the sentence is executed it will cause not anti-Azeri but anti-Armenian reaction, as the accused Russian soldiers were recruited in Yerevan by the former Defence Minister of Armenia and then transferred to Karabakh. If the soldiers get mercy, Armenian side will think highly of its saving of lives of ""innocent Russians"". --O-- NEW PROVOCATIONS OF ARMED FORCES OF ARMENIA BAKU (MAY 21) TURAN: According to the Defence Ministry of Azerbaijan on May 20-21, the firing on the territories of Azerbaijan from the military bases on the territory of Armenia was in progress. The day before, the villages of Kolly-Gyshlag, Shotaraz, Nyachaflar of Zangelan district of Azerbaijan were under fire from Kafan district of Armenia. Two inhabitants were wounded, there were destructions in the villages. On May 20, the firing on the villages of Bashkend, Mutudere, Shynykh, Novosaratovka and Novoivanovka of Kedabek district of Azerbaijan from the positions of Armenian armed forces was in progress. At the same day the diversion group of the armed forces of Armenia (50-60 men) violated the frontier of Azerbaijan, penetrated into the territory of Kedabek district of Azerbaijan, killed two shepherds at the village of Aili-Dara and made an attempt to take a flock across the frontier. Azeri frontier-guards stopped the enemy.--O-- ""UNOCAL"" COMPANY WILL BUILD 50 HOUSES FOR REFUGEES IN AZERBAIJAN BAKU (MAY 21) TURAN: As Turan agency was informed by the representation of UNOCAL American oil company, the leaders of this company decided to give 750 thousand dollars for the construction of 50 houses for refugees. At present, the American side suggested a village project for consideration by appropriate departments of Azerbaijan. The project is a farm village where each house has a personal lot, subsidiary accommodations and so on. According to the program the construction and putting into operation of the village will be this year. --O-- MANAT IS BEGINNING TO FALL IN VALUE BAKU (MAY 21) TURAN: Lately, at the black market of Baku, the national currency - Manat, fell in price compared with the Russian Ruble. Thus one gives 1100 Rubles or 120 Manats for one US dollar. Taking into account the official exchange-value of the Manat with respect to Ruble which is 1-10, the national currency fell in value 10 percent. Meanwhile the exchange-value of the Manat to the Ruble is the same at banks, state establishments and in trade. According to the representatives of the business circles and experts, the present situation is explained by the fact that the rubles are bought by the local businessmen. They need rubles for financial operations in Russia. As the remittance of payments from the republics of the former USSR to Russia is a great problem now, many businessmen arrange deals in cash. Taking into consideration the volume of business with Russia, counted by billions, it is not hard to imagine how much Rubles in cash the businessmen need. --O-- THE DISCUSSION OF PARLIAMENTARY ELECTION BILL WILL LAST TILL MID JULY Baku (May 22) Turan: According to the president's decree, the expert group, including representatives of the Parliament and presidential apparatus, are working out new wording of the Constitution of the Republic of Azerbaijan. This must be adopted by Milli Mejlis before the Parliamentary elections. Together with this, the work on the new Constitution, that would be, evidently, adopted by new Parliament of the country, is going on. The newsmen were informed about the work on the press-conference of the Supreme Soviet of the republic the day before. Parliamentary legal experts, Safa Mirzoyev, Simran Hasanov and representatives of the department of the president's apparatus Fazil Mustafaev and Shahin Aliev took part in the press-conference. The national discussion of the project of the Parliamentary election law is going on at present. According to Simran Hasanov the bill didn't cause any objections. It was noted, that until now, no alternative variant of the election law was put forward. The newsmen were also informed, that Parliamentary commissions will examine all coming proposals till June 10. By June 15 all proposals will be generalized and submitted for discussion in Milli Mejlis.--0-- ISA GAMBAR SUGGESTS THAT AZERI-RUSSIAN PARLIAMENT COMMISSION FOR CLARIFYING THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE CRIMINAL CASE BE CREATED BAKU (MAY 22) TURAN: The Chairman of the Milly Mejlis of the Azerbaijan republic, Isa Gambar, sent the return letter to the Chairman of the Russian Supreme Soviet Ruslan Khasbulatov in connection with the conviction of the Russian servicemen lieutenant V.Semion, sergeant K. Tukish, M.Lisov and A.Filipov by the military college of the Supreme Court of Azerbaijan. In his letter, Isa Gambar suggested that the commission of Azerbaijan Milly Mejlis deputates on a par with the experts of the Russian Supreme Soviet be established to clarify the circumstances of this criminal case. In his view, ""the conclusion of the commission could help in the objective solving of this problem, as well as such kind of problems in the future. But the main thing is, it could help to promote the knowledge about involvement of the Russian servicemen in crime"". In its turn, in connection with the Russian parliament message, Milly Mejlis adopted a resolution on May 19, according to which the permanent commissions on government building and legal policy, human rights and international relations are charged with the exploration of this problem.--0-- WILL THE TRILATERAL INITIATIVE BE RUINED? Baku (May 22) Turan: As Turan agency was informed, Russian representative to the talks on Karabakh, Vladimir Kazimirov, doubted in realization of the Trilateral initiative. He expressed this opinion during a telephone talk with the representatives of Azerbaijan. At the same talk he declared, that in case the peace process deadlocked, Russia would pursue Yeltsin's initiative itself. Such statement from the Russian diplomat, who is one of the authors of the Trilateral initiative, suggests that the Russian leadership is paving the way for complete exclusion of the USA and probably Turkey from the peacemaking process. This statement can also mean, that Russia and US having achieved understanding on Bosnian problem, have agreed on partial US departure from Transcaucasia.--0-- FATE OF 645 MILLION TONS OF OIL WILL BE DECIDED THIS SUMMER Baku (May 22) Turan: The president of Azerbaijan State Oil Company, Sabit Bagirov, declared recently that complete treaty on development of oil fields Chirag, Azeri and Guneshli would be signed this summer. As it is known, western oil companies AMOCO, BP-STATOIL, PENNZOIL- RAMCO have an interest on development of these three richest Caspian fields. According to the plan, SOCAR and BP-STATOIL are to sign a complete treaty on development of Chirag field on June 16. Later AMOCO and PENNZOIL will sign treaties. Specialists value total reserves of these three fields to be 645 million ton. 310 million of them fall on Azeri field, 180 mln.ton on Geneshli and 150 mln.ton on Chirag. The exploitation of these fields is to last tens of years and it is to bring in Azerbaijan 100 billion dollars in revenue. In addition to the net economic profit, Baku calculates upon the political support of the West in the defence of its interests at the international scene. As president Elchibey said in his closest encirclement ""the May of 1993 will be one of the most difficult periods for Azerbaijan and its independence and we have to stand these tests"".--0-- THE SCIENTIST-LAWYERS OF RUSSIA APPEALED TO THE PRESIDENT OF AZERBAIJAN BAKU (MAY 22) TURAN: As the press-service of the president of Azerbaijan informs, today, the appeal of the Institute of the Government and law of the Russian Academy of Sciences to president Elchibey was received. The appeal contains the call ""to display mercy, humanism and clemency on the death sentences of the former servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces"". The authors of the appeal point out, that they don't justify the participation of the Russian servicemen in the war against the azeri people, don't call in question the lawfulness of the passed sentence, denounce the mercenary according to the UN principals, and they are sorry about the Russian servicemen being drawn in such grave crime. At the end of their letter, scientists, mentioning the soldiers' mothers' tears and grief, their praying day and night of safety, ask the president of Azerbaijan to ""save those guys"". It should be noticed, that unlike lawyers, soldiers' mothers, taking part in the inquiry, called the cause of their grief only Russian policy. According to their words, the leaders, that lay down lives of Russian men to achieve their political aims, must be made answerable. Unfortunately, the appeal didn't mention the grief of the mothers of Azerbaijani soldiers, killed by sentenced Russian servicemen.--0-- ARMENIAN ARTILLERY CONTINUES FIRING ON AZERI DISTRICTS BAKU (MAY 22) TURAN: On May 22, two soldiers of National army of Azerbaijan were killed during the ""Grad"" shelling of the villages of Kolly Gyshlag, Shaifly, Shotaraz, Nyachaflar of Zangelan district of the republic from the territory of Kafan district of Armenia. The night before and in the morning of May 22, the villages of Tovuz, Gazakh and Gubatly districts of Azerbaijan were under fire from the territory of Armenia. There are destructions. The situation in Agder district of Azerbaijan became complicated. On May 21, the enemy fired on the regional centre of Agdere from the village of Ortakend. The transportation of man power and military equipment to this district is in progress. According to reports the enemy is setting up a new weapon emplacement to fire on the regional centre and near by villages. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the concentration of man power and military equipment is observed in Krasnoselsky district of Armenia which borders on Azerbaijan as well as on the frontier with Fizuli district. --O-- AZERI PRIME-MINISTER IS LEAVING FOR GREAT BRITAIN BAKU ( MAY 22 ) TURAN : The Minister of Foreign Economic Relations, Rauf Garayev, in his interview to Turan agency said, that ""Great Britain is the biggest foreign economic partner of Azerbaijan after Iran"". The business cooperation between the two countries develops in such spheres as oil - industry, the manufacture of oil extraction equipment, communication and agriculture. According to the Minister's words, the forthcoming visit of Azerbaijani Prime-Minister, Panah Huseynov, to Great Britain on May 23-24, is very important. It is expected, that the visit will help, to solve the problems of opening in Azerbaijan the branch offices of some British banks, insurance firms; to conclude contracts on the sphere of manufacture of agricultural equipment; on building in Azerbaijan off shore oil platforms, and reconstruction of the entire communication system of Azerbaijan. In Garayev's view, the expansion of the cooperation with Great Britain will have a great political meaning for Azerbaijan. According to politicians and reviewers in Baku, at present, Great Britain as an European state is close to Azerbaijan. The continuation of the economic and political cooperation of the two states is foreseen. --O-- \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ T U R A N N E W S A G E N C Y Baku - Azerbaijan Phone: (8922) 66-7977 66-7833 Fax: (8922) 66-2009 Telex: 142168 META SU \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 2764,"Yedi'ot Ahronot, April 9, 1993. Excerpt. EACH ONE AND HIS OWN NEVO* (* A reference to General Azri'el Nevo, Shamir's Military Secretary. Irrelevant to this excerpt.) By Nahum Barne'a . . . In mid '91 SHABAK found itself in the center of another storm [...]. A year and a half earlier, Khaled Sheikh Ali, 27, a member of the Islamic Jihad, died at the SHABAK installation in Gaza prison. The two SHABAK interrogators who were responsible for his death were put on trial. In September '91 the Supreme Court rejected their appeal and sentenced them to 6 months in prison. As far as is known, this was the first time in Israel's history that SHABAK operatives were sent to prison. The Supreme Court unanimously rejected the warning by the director of SHABAK that the sentence will be detrimental the effectiveness of other interrogators. [...] The judges in the case were [...] Barak, Goldberg, and Matza. When they realized that they were on their own, the interrogators agreed to talk. Deputy State Attorney Rachel Sukkar[sp?] was placed in charge of investigating the affair. She [...] questioned the directors of all SHABAK divisions. She investigated only the matter of the death in Gaza prison. She discovered that not only torture, but also ""the culture of lies"", which Judge Landau had described in his report of two years before, were still very much in existence. Nothing had changed. The report was classified and was seen by only some ten people, among them the Prime Minister, the people at the top of the judicial system and Judge Landau. The director of SHABAK claimed that he did not know. After all, they were dealing only with a single jail and with low ranking people. The system bit the bullet and accepted the explanation. One of SHABAK's high-ranking officials was transfered from his very high position to a less high position. . . . [""The culture of lies"" referred to above is the SHABAK interrogators' policy of lying in court when denying detainees claims that they were tortured in the course of interrogation. The Landau commission sought to correct this problem by legalizing a list of torture methods -- thus eliminating the fear that a detainee might be released if those methods were used to extract a confession. The fact that the need to lie still persists would seem to indicate that SHABAK is not sticking to the ""approved"" torture methods. -- Yigal]",talk.politics.mideast 2765,"I believe many people will be happy to have this information. So, please post it to the comp.graphics.",comp.graphics 2766," Cool it, will you? Let people form their own opinions. Even Mr. Sternlight might be right sometime, and you guys are setting things up so that the only way he can regain any credibility is to renounce his previous statements and move towards the mainstream of net.opinion. This does not bespeak tolerance, IMO. Indeed... ",sci.crypt 2767," I think this should be illuminating to all. Let me make a first suggestion. When Arabic words, especially technical ones, become of use let us define them for those, especially atheists, to whom they may not be terribly familiar. Please also note that though I did initially refer to Khomeini as a heretic for what I understood to be a claim -- rejected by you since -- of personal infallibility, I withdraw this as a basis for such a statement. I conditionally retain this reference in regard to Khomeini's advocacy of the thesis of the infallibility of the so-called ""Twelve Imams,"" which is in clear conflict with the Qur'an in that it places the Twelve Imams in a category of behavior and example higher than that of the Muhammad, in that the Qur'an shows that the Prophet was clearly fallible, as well as (it appears, given your abstruse theological statment regarding the ""natures"" of the Twelve Imams) placing them in a different metaphysical category than the remainder of humanity, with the possible exception of Muhammad, something which verges on the sin of association. Alaikum Wassalam,",alt.atheism 2768,"Hmmmm I noticed sometime ago that I could do the same on my Virago, and since I don't read many schematics, I didn't really think aobut it too much. Yes it does provide excellent coverage, but I figured it would probably draw a little too much current. I also figured that it was overlapped just to prevent a blank spot of no headlight. Are you saying that these switches are designed for the hi/lo combination? ------------------------------------------------------------------------",rec.motorcycles 2769,": Lets talk about principles. If we accept that God sets the : standards for what ought to be included in Scripture - then we : can ask: : 1. Is it authoritative? ""Authoritative"" is not a quality of the writing itself- it is a statement by the community of faith whether it will accept the writing as normative. : 2. Is it prophetic? How is ""prophecy"" to be defined? If it is ""speaking forth"" of God's message, much of the apocrypha must surely qualify. : 3. Is it authentic? Again, by what standard? Is ""authenticity"" a function of the authors? the historical accuracy? : 4. Is it dynamic? What is this supposed to mean? Many of the apocryphal books are highly ""dynamic"" -thought provoking, faithful, even exciting. : 5. Is it received, collected, read and used? By whom? Of course the apocryphal books were received (by some), collected (or else we would not have them), read and used (and they still are, in the Catholic and Orthodox churches). : On these counts, the apocrapha falls short of the glory of God. This is demonstrably false. : To quote Unger's Bible Dictionary on the Apocrapha: : 1. They abound in historical and geographical inaccuracies and : anachronisms. So do other books of the Bible. : 2. They teach doctrines which are false and foster practices : which are at variance with sacred Scripture. ""False"" by whose interpretation? Those churches that accept them find no contradiction with the rest of scripture. : 3. They resort to literary types and display an artificiality of : subject matter and styling out of keeping with sacred Scripture. This is a purely subjective evaluation. The apocryphal books demonstrate the same categories and forms of writing found in the other scriptures. (In fact, one could argue that the apocryphal ""Additions to the Book of Esther"" act rather to bring the ""unscripturelike"" book of Esther more into line with other books.) : 4. They lack the distinctive elements which give genuine : Scripture their divine character, such as prophetic power and : poetic and religious feeling. Have you ever read the Wisdom of Ben Sira or the Wisdom of Solomon? They exhibit every bit as much ""poetic and religious feeling"" as Psalms or Proverbs. [deletions] : How do you then view the words: ""I warn everyone who hears the : words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to : them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. : And if anyone takes away from this book the prophecy, God will : take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the : holy city"" (Rev 22.18-9) : Surely this sets the standard and not just man-made traditions. These words clearly were meant to refer to the book of Revelation alone, not to the whole body of scripture. Revelation itself was accepted very late into the canon. The church simply did not see it as having a primary role of any kind in identifying and limiting scripture. : It is also noteworthy to consider Jesus' attitude. He had no : argument with the pharisees over any of the OT canon (John : 10.31-6), and explained to his followers on the road to Emmaus : that in the law, prophets and psalms which referred to him - the : OT division of Scripture (Luke 24.44), as well as in Luke 11.51 : taking Genesis to Chronicles (the jewish order - we would say : Genesis to Malachi) as Scripture. Jesus does not refer to the canon for the simple reason that in his day, the canon had not been established as a closed collection. The books of the apocrypha were part of the Septuagint (which was the Bible of the early church). The Hebrew canon was not closed until 90 c.e. The Torah (Pentateuch/ ""Law"") was established in Jesus' day, as were the Prophets (with the _exclusion_ of Daniel). The Writings, however, were still in flux. Jesus does not refer to the Writings, only to the Psalms, which were part of them. The books of the apocrypha were all part of the literature that was eventually sifted and separated. To argue that Jesus is referring to the Jewish canonical order in Luke 11:51 is weak at best; he is not quoting scripture, but telling a chronological story. And, as mentioned above, the Hebrew canon (especially in the present order) did not exist as such in Jesus' day.",soc.religion.christian 2770," Before they do some real damage?? You haven't been paying attention, it seems. The so-called War on Drugs has already done major damage to the US Constitution.",sci.crypt 2771,"Path: ctron-news.ctron.com!noc.near.net!uunet!utcsri!newsflash.concordia.ca!mi izar.cc.umanitoba.ca!access.usask.ca!cs.Usask.CA!coulman From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman) Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey Subject: Final Regular Season Individual Goalie Stats Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 12:27:59 EDT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Lines: 103 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r3smf$67m@access.usask.ca> Reply-To: coulman@cs.Usask.CA NNTP-Posting-Host: skorpio.usask.ca I would appreciate it if someone could volunteer to verify the shots on goal and save percentage numbers for me, so I can put these stats on the archive site. Contact me by mail if you want to volunteer. Here are the individual goalie stats as of: Wed Apr 21 09:09:38 CST 1993 These stats include games up to and including the Sunday previous to the date listed above. They have been verified against what is printed in my newspaper every Tuesday. They don't print shots and save percentage numbers, so those are not verified. These stats are available by mail every weekday and sometimes on weekends, if I'm in town and I can get late game results. Just send me a note if you would like to receive these stats by mail. If you have any questions, comments or suggestions, let me know. Randy ------- MP = Minutes Played, GA = Goals against, SO = Shutouts, GAA = Goals against average W = Wins, L = Losses, T = Ties SOG = Shots on Goal, SV = Save Percentage MP GA SO GAA W L T SOG SV TM Player ======================================================= 1 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 1.000 WAS Byron Dafoe 11 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 3 1.000 HAR Corrie D'Alessio 40 1 0 1.50 0 0 0 19 0.947 MTL Frederick Chabot 25 1 0 2.40 0 0 0 10 0.900 BOS Mike Bales 2781 116 2 2.50 25 15 7 1287 0.910 TOR Felix Potvin 4106 177 7 2.59 41 18 11 1879 0.906 CHI Ed Belfour 1322 64 1 2.90 9 8 4 596 0.893 BOS John Blue 996 49 2 2.95 6 7 1 414 0.882 CHI Jim Waite 3702 186 4 3.01 43 14 5 1889 0.902 PIT Tom Barrasso 3890 196 1 3.02 29 28 9 2194 0.911 STL Curtis Joseph 1817 94 1 3.10 18 8 4 858 0.890 VAN Kay Whitmore 1429 75 0 3.15 11 10 4 716 0.895 BUF Dominik Hasek 3194 168 3 3.16 37 14 3 1354 0.876 BOS Andy Moog 1311 70 1 3.20 14 4 1 629 0.889 CAL Jeff Reese 3595 192 2 3.20 31 25 5 1813 0.894 MTL Patrick Roy 168 9 0 3.21 1 1 1 87 0.897 HAR Mike Lenarduzzi 1193 64 0 3.22 13 4 2 522 0.877 DET Vincent Riendeau 1785 96 2 3.23 17 7 4 938 0.898 TOR Daren Puppa 3880 210 4 3.25 34 24 7 1898 0.889 DET Tim Cheveldae 3732 203 2 3.26 29 26 9 1805 0.888 CAL Mike Vernon 2655 146 1 3.30 22 20 2 1314 0.889 NYI Glenn Healy 3359 185 1 3.30 24 24 6 1726 0.893 BUF Grant Fuhr 2757 152 4 3.31 20 18 7 1519 0.900 NYR John Vanbiesbrouck 3282 181 1 3.31 27 23 5 1531 0.882 WAS Don Beaupre 3476 193 3 3.33 26 26 5 1683 0.885 MIN Jon Casey 3261 184 3 3.39 28 21 5 1620 0.886 VAN Kirk McLean 2672 151 2 3.39 19 21 3 1322 0.886 NJ Chris Terreri 1433 81 1 3.39 17 5 1 686 0.882 MTL Andre Racicot 1939 110 0 3.40 18 9 4 947 0.884 QUE Stephane Fiset 2512 143 5 3.42 20 17 6 1329 0.892 PHI Tommy Soderstrom 1368 78 0 3.42 13 7 2 691 0.887 PIT Ken Wregget 542 31 0 3.43 5 4 0 225 0.862 BOS Reggie Lemelin 2988 172 0 3.45 29 16 5 1525 0.887 QUE Ron Hextall 2253 130 0 3.46 17 15 5 1067 0.878 NYI Mark Fitzpatrick 3855 227 2 3.53 33 26 6 2119 0.893 WIN Bob Essensa 1601 96 0 3.60 15 10 2 777 0.876 WIN Jim Hrivnak 1596 97 1 3.65 10 12 5 803 0.879 MIN Darcy Wakaluk 1591 97 0 3.66 7 19 2 757 0.872 TB Wendell Young 1163 71 0 3.66 8 10 1 573 0.876 TB JC Bergeron 2389 146 2 3.67 21 16 4 1180 0.876 NJ Craig Billington 1210 74 1 3.67 8 8 2 628 0.882 STL Guy Hebert 1302 80 2 3.69 8 12 0 664 0.880 WAS Rick Tabaracci 664 41 0 3.70 5 6 0 344 0.881 BUF Tom Draper 224 14 0 3.75 1 2 1 116 0.879 NYR Corey Hirsch 1769 111 1 3.76 13 11 5 932 0.881 PHI Dominic Roussel 2105 134 1 3.82 13 19 3 1184 0.887 NYR Mike Richter 157 10 0 3.82 1 2 0 78 0.872 NYI Danny Lorenz 3753 240 1 3.84 17 38 6 2069 0.884 EDM Bill Ranford 1735 111 0 3.84 15 8 4 987 0.888 LA Robb Stauber 2718 175 2 3.86 18 21 6 1545 0.887 LA Kelly Hrudey 154 10 0 3.90 0 2 1 66 0.848 QUE Jacques Cloutier 867 57 0 3.94 5 9 1 499 0.886 HAR Mario Gosselin 532 35 0 3.95 6 4 0 294 0.881 LA Rick Knickle 2268 150 1 3.97 8 24 4 1197 0.875 TB Pat Jablonski 2074 142 1 4.11 7 26 0 1250 0.886 SJ Arturs Irbe 2656 184 0 4.16 16 27 3 1470 0.875 HAR Sean Burke 1338 93 0 4.17 9 12 2 763 0.878 EDM Ron Tugnutt 1326 95 0 4.30 2 17 1 743 0.872 OTT Daniel Berthiaume 802 59 0 4.41 3 9 0 405 0.854 PHI Stephane Beauregard 3388 250 0 4.43 8 46 3 1711 0.854 OTT Peter Sidorkiewicz 65 5 0 4.62 0 0 1 39 0.872 CAL Andrei Trefilov 1373 111 0 4.85 4 15 1 784 0.858 HAR Frank Pietrangelo 73 6 0 4.93 0 0 1 34 0.824 WIN Mike O'Neill 60 5 0 5.00 0 1 0 46 0.891 SJ Wade Flaherty 2000 176 0 5.28 2 30 1 1220 0.856 SJ Jeff Hackett 930 86 0 5.55 2 14 1 559 0.846 SJ Brian Hayward 160 15 0 5.63 0 3 0 91 0.835 TOR Rick Wamsley 20 2 0 6.00 0 0 0 7 0.714 WAS Olaf Kolzig 90 10 0 6.67 0 2 0 44 0.773 OTT Darrin Madeley 249 30 0 7.23 0 5 0 146 0.795 OTT Steve Weeks 98 13 0 7.96 0 2 0 51 0.745 LA David Goverde 45 7 0 9.33 0 1 0 21 0.667 TB David Littman -- Randy A. Coulman, M.Sc. | ARIES Laboratory Research Assistant | Department of Computational Science | University of Saskatchewan coulman@cs.Usask.ca | Saskatoon, SK S7N 0W0 ",rec.sport.hockey 2772," There are several types of copy protection, and the point is to make sure the user is using a legitimate copy. The simplest and virtually fool-proof way is for the program to somehow fixate itself to the machine it was installed on (some sort of checksum, serial number, whatever) so a copy put on a different machine (NOT installed from original disks) will not work. The program is definitely backupable, if restored to the same machine (depends on the programmer... don't use a disk drive characteristic!) If the user did an upgrade to the machine, he/she should reinstall all programs any way. No document look-up, no disk wear-and-tear! I did not say that the originals would allow only one install. The user's conscience should do that. I know, I'll get flamed for this... But with the increasing number of ""casual"" users who either unknowingly or don't care about the software copyrights (It's the truth. I have ""friends"" who ask me for copies of my latest games all the time, and when I refused, they went after somebody else.), casual pirating is becoming more of a problem. Some sort of copy protection will discourage the casual copying. I've seen what some of my ""friends"" dug up somewhere... Latest and the greatest games, all cracked, WITHIN days of actual release! You know how many bytes you need to change in X-wing to disable the quiz? TWO! Yes, TWO! (And don't ask me which ones they are.) Determined pirates are unstoppable, given enough time, but their results do not spread that far, since pirate boards are not that well-known, and easily tracked once found by authorities. It is the ""casual"" pirates that the copy protection is determined to discourage. What I believe the companies should do is implement the above plus a special patch once the user registers that loudly exclaims upon bootup ""REGISTERED TO XXXXX -- address, city, state zip"" and disables the above. Two benefits: 1) encourages registration, 2) cuts down on pirating and makes it more traceable, because if the patch's registration message is encrypted, it will be quite hard to change, and therefore provides a stable trail of who allowed their copy out of their hands, and thus violated their license agreement. This way, the legitimate users who does not register will experience minimal discomfort (who does major upgrades to their computer frequently?) as only problem they have is they won't be able to restore to another computer. The registered users would have proven they are legitmate users and therefore gains full rights, and can restore to different machines. On the other hand, the software company now have a record of where THIS particular copy is supposed to be. If this user's copy was found to be somewhere it was not supposed to be, we know who has broken their license agreement. Of course, a hacker can break that eventually, but that's not the point, is it?",sci.electronics 2773," That includes suicides. Since it has been shown in other countries that suicide rates are pretty much independent of the means available for doing oneself in (studies include some done/published in Japan, Canada, Austria, Norway), suicides ought not be included in the count. If this is done, the number of vehicle-related deaths greatly exceeds that of firearms-related deaths in Texas. Certainly not. Why? Unless it's doing something that directly hurts someone else, what's the point? (Otherwise, you'd better stop operating all motor vehicles, since the price of operating them *greatly* exceeds the cost in lives of firearms. WEll, it's been done at least twice. South (North?) Carolina did it a few years back...and watched its crime rate relative to the rest of the country rise quite a bit. Virginia just passed the law...no word yet on what the results will be, but I'd be willing ot bet that a reduction in crime rates won't be one of them. Self-defense doesn't ""inflict"" on other people (except perhaps the criminal who's tried to do you damage, and maybe indirectly on future potential victims who might not become victims). -- ",talk.politics.guns 2774,"Ever since Craig Rowland posted his piece ""New Encryption"" to sci.crypt there has been some discussion of our company, Secured Communications Technologies, Inc, and on encryption algorithm, NEA. I spoke to Craig at length on 4/21/93 and we covered a lot of ground. Some of the information in the posting requires some clarification, and I would like to answer some of the questions raised on sci.crypt. SCT is a small company based in Silver Spring Maryland. Our two main products at this time are a PC based secure communications program called SECOM and a general purpose encryption chip which uses the NEA algorithm developed for SECOM. SECOM provides an encrypted secure communication link between two PC's connected over dial up telephone lines. It supports simultaneous bi-directional file transfer and keyboard to screen ""chat"". It has its own proprietary communications protocol which is tightly integrated to the encryption. All though it is a packetized link, the data stream appears to be continuous because the packet boundaries are hidden. When SECOM was initially developed, it was implemented to use DES encryption. A business decision was made to seek export approval for the product because it was perceived that the overseas market was a large one and provided a good marketing opportunity. We soon found out that we would NEVER be granted general export approval for anything using DES. All though the reason for this was never explicitly stated, it seems to have something to do with secret government to government agreements which are still in effect. In any event, the decision was made to develop a new and different algorithm which would take the place of DES. This was the reason NEA (New Encryption Algorithm) was born. At this time NEA is being held as a trade secret. The preliminary work of patenting it has begun, and the plan is to make it public once the patent process is complete. All though one can make certain legal arguments for keeping it an ongoing secret, I think in the case of an encryption algorithm it is necessary to let people ""shoot at it"" over an extended period of time to prove its worth. In order to get export approval for SECOM/NEA, it was necessary to go through NSA and to reveal to them the details of the program and algorithm. This was done only AFTER we had a finished product to submit. Let me state unequivocally that there is NO ""back door"" to the program or the algorithm. Secured Communications Technologies is a closely held private company and NSA/FBI/CIA/NIST/WHATEVER has NO financial interest in any way whatsoever with the company or any of the people involved. From a practical business standpoint, we are interested in selling chips and software (hopefully in large quantities) and a back door to the encryption, if found out, could destroy our credibility and our business. With the encryption algorithm approved for export, we set out to talk to a number of potential customers for encryption products and systems. We were able to identify several common threads of functionality requirements. This led to the design of a chip with the encryption algorithm ""cast in silicon"" and certain other capabilities added so that the chip could fulfill the broad range of requirements that we identified. We are strongly opposed to the clipper/capstone chips. In a press release today, our president, Dr. Stephen Bryen stated: ""It seems as if the government has an unlimited source of funds to use to push its new bugged chips on the American Public. But do we not understand how the National Security Agency, which is not supposed to be involved in domestic spying, can fund the development of a commercial chip intended to accommodate U.S. government domestic spying activities.""",sci.crypt 2775," Are you so ignorant that you have never heard of _Archaeopteryx_? The special creation ""theory"" is nothing but holes. Please show me a species poofed into existence by your god. I have never seen this.",talk.religion.misc 2776," I'll go with Mark Grace, and in 2 years, Frank Thomas. ",None 2777,"Comments about ""who needs backup copies""? and ""YOU do"" deleted.... I'll toss in my 2 cents worth - I've begun to think that distribution disks are made on some of the least reliable floppy disk stocks available. We've been especially plagued by Borland's distribution disks. I'm lucky if I can install from them as many as 3 times before they crap out on me. So definitely, as a matter of course we ALWAYS make copies to do our installations with. ",sci.electronics 2778,"Thinking of buying from MidWest Micro of Ohio? Think *very* carefully. Unless you are absolutely sure you won't have any problems, you may want to trade elsewhere. Despite the fact that they answer the phone, ""Hi! I'm and we're having a GREAT Day!"", they weren't quite so happy when I wanted to return a modem that didn't work as I expected it to. The details: I ordered one of their house brand ""Infotel"" 14.4/DF internal FAX modems. In reality, it was a Twincom Lightning FAX that had a paper sticker over the name. Given the poor reports on the net about this modem, I would not have ordered it, had I known this in advance. It arrived on time. The documentation stated that it would work (and was preconfigured) as COM4, providing that COM2 was not in use at the same time. For several reasons, I have a serial card configured for COM1/COM2. At the time I installed the modem, nothing was connected to COM2. Although the modem appeared to work, during every connection at 9600 or 14.4, it would randomly break the connection and hang up the phone. After spending some time on the phone with MidWest's tech support, they suggested disabling the COM2 port. This appeared to solve the disconnect problem, but was an unacceptable long term solution. I had to have COM1 and 2 available, even though they both would not be in use at the same time as the modem. I called back 20 minutes prior to their closing and waited in Voicemail hell, listening to repeated advertisements for MidWest Micro products. I was then promptly disconnected. Apparently it was quiting time and they didn't want to be bothered with callers that had been waiting on the line. I called the next day and asked the Customer Diservice agent for an RMA number. She promptly switched me to a ""Tech Support"" rep that implied that it was my equipment at fault and that he wasn't going to give me an RMA number. He suggested I use some nonstandard IRQ settings, a solution I was not happy with. The modem should work as originally configured. Conclusion: I'm not sure the modem would work ok in a basic system, but it clearly does not work in a multi port system like mine. Since my time is worth more than the aggravation or the cost of the modem, I gave it to a local charitable organization (with a description of my problem) and ordered a Practical Peripherals 14.4MT from PC Connection.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2779,"I am interested in finding other Physical Therapy Students on the net...If you are one, or you know anyone could you get into contact with me via email, my address is gecko@camelot.bradley.edu thankyou",sci.med 2780," I wouldn't punish him with eternal torture if he didn't love me. But then I;m a decent chap. It seems your god isn't. I've looked, and he wasn't. Another promise broken. Lying bastard! How do you know what effort I have and have not given? Can anyone eaplain what he's just said here? Peter",alt.atheism 2781," [stuff deleted] The last year before Bryan Murray took over, the Wings did not make the playoffs. While they had been considered a possible contender when Jacques Demers first arrived, in his last two years they were, respectively, embarrassed in the first round by Chicago, and then failed to make the playoffs (at a time, a might add, when there were only five teams in the Norris). It's true that Vancouver did not make the playoffs for many a year before Quinn came, but in those years the Smythe Division was a lot--I mean *a lot*-- tougher division than the Norris, also known as the ""Snorris"", division. Vancouver had to play Edmonton and Calgary, both very legitimate Stanley Cup contenders, eight times a year, while Detroit got to play such powerhouses as Toronto and Minnesota. Now, Edmonton is hardly even a force in the league, and the Smythe even has the mighty San Jose sharks, while over this same period of time in which Vancouver was improving, so was everybody in the Norris (except St. Louis). Detroit had to improve just to keep up with the competition in their division. They had to improve *a lot* to get better than their competition in the Norris. Bryan Murray inherited a team with very little talent. For really good players, they had Yzerman, Burr, and Probert, and that was about it. (And no doubt some will dispute whether Burr and Probert were that good). The rest were either very green rookies or washed up veterans. The only reason they got as far as they did in the years before Murray came was due to the coaching of Demers, who, at least at first, got every last ounce of effort possible out of his team. Then, even his coaching began to degrade. There are a number of reasons why Detroit wasn't in as bad a shape standings wise when Murray took over as Vanc. was when Quinn took over, some of which I outlined above, but Murray did not have any better personnel to work with at the outset than did Quinn, with the exception of Yzerman. And one player cannot alone make a team into a Stanley Cup contender, as I'm sure everyone reading this will agree. We'll be able to see better which team is really the most improved when they face each other in the conference final (assuming they don't get knocked out, like last year). ",rec.sport.hockey 2782,"You should probably use numbers much larger than 64-bits. Also, you may want to include some randomly-generated bitstrings in your protocol. This way, if someone should find the shared key you and another person use on one day, they won't be able to guess it for the next day.... Ie A sends G**A mod P and random string R0 B sends G**B mod P and random string R1 Both find (G**A mod P)** B mod P = Shared Key, then both calculate Session Key = Hash(R0,Shared Key, R1) Also, you will want to make sure that you're getting the right public key value G**A mod P. Someone with the power to intercept and change messages can oterwise spoof you by sending both of you *his* public key, and then acquiring a session key with each of you....",sci.crypt 2783,"For Sale in Northern Virgina Arcade Video Games Asteroids $200 Omega Race $300",misc.forsale 2784," Generally I agree with you. However, (1) last night ESPN cut away to Baseball Tonite, which looks like SportsCenter tailored to baseball, and they cut away at 7:40 pacific. That's quite a contract they have there. (2) if ESPN couldn't deliver, they should have had a transistion plan to let SportsChannel pick up the slack. Nonetheless, it is ultimately the fault of the US-American public that regular season baseball has precedence over playoff hockey in the U.S. Support your team; support your game. Somebody in r.s.h. had an excellent idea that we should write Chrysler to thank them for supporting hockey with their ads and that we would consider their products. Here's an equally excellent idea, watch baseball for 10 minutes (I know I'm asking a lot, but that's what spew bags are for), write down who is advertising, and write them letters complaining that they are supporting baseball to your displeasure and that you won't consider buying their products because of it.",rec.sport.hockey 2785,":In article :>Can anyone out there tell me the difference between a ""persistent"" disease :>and a ""chronic"" one? For example, persistent hepatitis vs chronic :>hepatitis. : :I don't think there is a general distinction. Rather, there are :two classes of chronic hepatitis: chronic active hepatitis and chronic :persistent hepatitis. I can't think of any other disease where the :term persistent is used with or in preference to chronic. : :Much as these two terms ""chronic active"" and ""chronic persistent"" :sound fuzzy, the actual distinction between the two conditions :is often fairly fuzzy as well. I beg to differ. Chronic *active* hepatitis implies that the disease remains active, and generally leads to liver failure. At the very minimum, the patient has persistently elevated liver enzymes (what some call ""transaminitis""). Chronic *persistant* hepatitis simply means that the patient has HbSag in his/her blood and can transmit the infection, but shows no evidence of progressive disease. If I had to choose, I'd much rather have the persistant type. ",sci.med 2786,"The subject says nearly everything; I am talking about the accellerator card (note the 'X'), not about the ET4000 product (without 'X'). Please mail me the address of an appropriate ftp-server. Thanx:",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2787,"actually clock, phone 24 hours could call from more lights dinner ",None 2788," That is not true, with chosen plaintext attacks DES keys can be determined without the full search. I am not willing to take that bet. You can obviously shove arbitrary data through your chip...... As for the key, it is stated that the sesion key exchange is external to the chip, so I can pick my keys too. BING BING BING BING BING, THAT EXACTLY MY POINT, SINCE WE CANT KNOW THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THIS CAPABILITY, THE ONLY SAFE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY DO... i admit that most of my cryptographic complaints are probably unfounded, but since we cant know one way or the other, im not gonig to take their word for it.... Oh come on, thats like saying you could evaluate DES without the S-box constants.....",sci.crypt 2789," CompuServe is in Columbus, OH. So are the corporate headquarters of several major insurance companies, the largest private R&D company in the world (Batelle Memorial Institute), DCSC (The Defense Construction & Supply Center), Ohio State University (one of the three largest US universities), OCLC (the Online College Library Center), and so on. You'd be amazed, actually. Columbus only *looks* like a cow town. ",sci.crypt 2790,"I have a few questions that I would like answers to (or opinions on) since I'm thinking about buying a LC-III: Q1) When the PowerPC-based Macs are announced, what will happen to the 680X0-based Macs? Q2) Is System 7 the 'last word' for 680X0-based Macs? Will we ever get REAL multi-tasking for the Mac? Q3) Will there be a way for NuBUS/PDS-equipped Macs to add a PowerPC-on-a-board to their systems? I'd hate to think that I'm going to put my $$ down on a machine that in 6 months is now part of a dead-end product line! Thanks in advance,",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2791,"I have both an '84 and an '86 Camry, each with manual 5-speed transmissions. The '84 has about 105,000 miles on it and the '86 about 83,000 miles. ABout a year ago I found that the master cylinder on the clutch in the '84 was leaking fluid around the piston seal, leading to air in the system and fluid back into the passenger compartment of the car. I pulled the plunger and got a rebuild kit (new plunger, seal, etc.) and thought I had the problem licked. Much to my surprise, the same problem developed several months later! This time I looked carefully at the master cylinder to make sure there were no scratches, burrs, or other obvious causes of the problem. I didn't find any. Ever since I have been periodically feeding the clutch hydraulins additional fluid and bleeding air from the system. I knew I would be selling the car and didn't want to go all the way to solving the problem. I should add that the clutch is original, and that I've had to adjust the pedal to allow maximum extension of the piston into the master cylinder in order to actuate the clutch. My hypothesis is that this means that when fully depressing the clutch pedal, the angle of the piston rod (attached to the pedal) is off the axix of the cylinder, thus cocking the piston and seal and perhaps deforming it. What do you think of that as an explanation? Can you suggest a possible fix short of replacing the master cylinder and getting a new clutch put in? Now the '86: same problem, except that the above diagnosis doesn't explain why all of the fluid leaked out (by way of the master cylinder, into the passenger compartment) while I was on vacation for 10 days, during which the clutch pedal was not depressed or otherwise caused to distort. What can you suggest here? Many thanks. Let's hope I don't end up going to Click and Clack on this...",rec.autos 2792,"Hey guys, who is this Jack Morris fella ?????? ONLY JOKING !!!!! But try to lighten up will ya ? The season's only just started and everyone's apoplectic. If all you statheads out there are trying to justify how Morris is doing at the moment, just remember that we're talking about a very small sample size. There is a helluva long way to go, so sit back and enjoy the ride.",rec.sport.baseball 2793," Apple and several other manufacturers have already committed to a monitor design that does just that. It was announced along with the new administration's efforts to cut waste and fuel consumption. I know that in the buildings where I work, gigawatts are wasted by unused, always-on machines and monitors. -Kelley- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Kelley Boylan, PowerPC, IBM Austin, kelleyb@austin.ibm.com",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2794," You are absolutely correct. Braves fans are nothing but a bunch of bandwagoners. Correct me if I am wrong, but 4 or 5 years ago you couldnt give away a ticket to see the Braves play.I would bet my next paycheck that 80% of the so-called Braves fans living outside of Georgia at the present time can not name more than 3 players from their 1988 season. On the other hand, ask any Cubs fan living anywhere in the United States to name 3 players from any given year and 80% of them probably could. Granted, the fact that a team wins brings people to the ball park, but that does not mean they diserve the title ""America's Team"" The only reason they are considered America's team is because of Ted Turner and his little TV station which broadcasts across the nation. I'll consider Toronto AMerica's team before the Braves GO REDS! ",rec.sport.baseball 2795,"It's been a while since I've reviewed a car but today I paid a visit to an old friend whose love for Audis has been so overwhelming that he makes a not too sucessful living selling them. Without further delay, I will get to the 1993 Audi S4: 1) Servotronic steering: [For those who are not familiar with what Servotronic is, it is the name for the speed variable power steering manufactured by ZF and used in Audis and BMWs.] I have been outspoken in my damming of Servotronic over the past couple of months, and this was based on magazine reviews and drives of the Audi 90 CS quattro and the Audi 100CS fwd. I am quite happy to report now that on the S4, the Servotronic is *inoffensive*. I suppose that due to the fat gumball tires, the Servotronic has been loaded up more and this, so far has been the best implementation that I have tried. It is far from perfect, mind you, and I'd be much happier if it was an option that I could refuse, but on the S4, I no longer consider this to be bad enough where I feel the entire car is ruined. The steering is still a tad too light, but it is accurate and I suppose the stiffly sprung chassis sends back so much information that some makes it through to the driver's hands. So there is feel and there is accuracy in the S4's steering. But there is also room for improvement. I consider the S4's steering to be better than the Japanese competition, primarily because the Japanese do not believe in ""feel"" and engineer it out completely. 2) Engine Wheee! What a pressure cooker. With just 110 miles on the clock I did not expect the S4 to be producing anywhere close to what it will be putting out 10000 miles later, but still, the car packs a terrific punch. For a turbocharged machine, it is very unusual in that it encourages lazy driving. i.e. low revs, high gear. It is so supremely flexible that one could hardly believe that there's only 2.2 liters of displacement to move this 3700 pound car around in such a fashion. With maximum torque available at 1950 rpm and a 7200 rpm redline, the car can pretty much be left in third all day.. which translates to a speed range of something like 20-100 mph. A chracteristic that one normally associates with large capacity V8s. The technical achievement is breadthtaking. Throttle response is right up there with a good atmospheric engine. In fact, it would even put peaky multivalve engines to shame. Downshifts are almost unnecessary. It is more fun to use the ""overboost"" feature than to rev the engine. For those not familiar, the S4 engine features up to 15 seconds of additional turbo boost for passing. Sort of like lighting up the after burners in a jet fighter, one could, with the right foot only, in third gear, blast the car from 30 to 80 in just a few moments.. simply by flooring the gas. As far as the numbers go, maximum torque available in overboost mode shoots up to about 270 lb ft.. incredible for a 2.2 liter. It takes a few moments for it to develop overboost but it is well worth waiting for. Since this is quite a heavy car, one's body parts are not flung around like say, the Corrado VR6. The acceleration is smooth and strong, somewhat similar to riding in a jetliner as it accelerates down the runway on takeoff. Also, one is treated to a very distinctive and entertaining whistle from the turbo.. the only entertaining sound to come out of a very refined but bland sounding 5 banger.. Yes, Audi has refined the 5 to the point where at 7200 rpm it sounds as serene as it does at 2000. The smoothness is outstanding, but not quite up to the standards of a very good 6, e.g. a 12 valve BMW. I'd say that in terms of refinement, i.e. willingness to rev, smoothness, lack of harshness under full acceleration it is better than many V6s. However, lost in the refinement process is the characteristic 5 cylinder bark that made the older engines so characterful, if not terribly refined. The 20 valve turbo 5 sounds pretty bland except for the whistle under full boost. Subjectively, I'd rate the VW VR6 engine as being far more musical than the turbo 5.. Also, Audi's own V8 is also far more musical, with a rorty race car growl when pressed, though none of these can match its grunt. The only hint of the engine's true capacity occurs when one is taking off from rest after the turbo has come to a near stop. With the extra inertia from the permanently engaged 4wd system, one has to be somewhat delicate in feeding in the clutch to prevent an embarassing stall. Alternately one could use more revs.. In both cases a very small price to pay for such a fantastic engine. I think that Audi of America should offer an automatic option for this car, just as they offer (though in extremely small numbers) a 5 speed for the much peakier V8. The characteristics of the engine are perfect for an automatic. Ironically, in europe a slush is available but none is offered for the land of the slush. Marketing twits rearing their ugly heads again... 3) Chassis I've noticed that Audis tend to have very wide wheels and relatively modest tire widths. The car comes with Firestones of size 225/50 ZR16.. which is not uncommon at all. However, the very attractive 5 spoke wheels are no less than 8 inches wide, so there is no sidewall bulge whatsoever. Combined with the flared wheel arches, the S4 has a mouth watering macho, yet subdued look. On rough concrete, it becomes immediately clear that the new 100 body style has made significant advances in structural rigidity as well as road noise suppression.. I suppose the two are inter-related, but I digress. To use a cliche, the S4's body feels like it has been carved out of stone. Flex is totally undetectable, even when going over rough roads. With a super rigid body like this stiff springs and stiff dampers do not cause excessive harshness and while the S4's ride quality will never worry a Lexus, it will also not draw comparisons to trucks or pony cars. The servotronic steering has already been mentioned. I consider it to be inoffensive because it did not inhibit spirited cornering. I was able to test the car's cornering powers without too much trepidation. I think a new concept is at work in this car. With its fat gumball tires, talking about understeer or oversteer is practically meaningless. On a banked highway on ramp, I went in slow and started applying power as I went around. I could feel the g forces build to the point where the skin on my face was being tugged sideways. Yet the car was totally and completely obedient to throttle and steering inputs.. It felt that the limits were not even close to being approached. The g forces were thrilling, but the entire affair of going around a curve is strangely uninvolving. You tell the car what you want and it does it. End of story. I think that I am starting to relate more and more to those reviewers who were highly impressed by the Honda NSX's clinical efficiency but were unable to fall in love with the car. The brakes have a very good firmness to them and stop the car pretty well too, though I've read that they are prone to fade. I am not too surprised, since the S4 does not have uprated brakes over the base Audi 100 fwd. Harder pads would help, but that in turn would lead to a more wooden response when cold. I am starting to see a trend among the luxury/sports sedan makers where extra weight is not being offset by additional braking capacity. The LS400's fade performance is nothing to brag about; neither is the Q45's or the Legend's. Brake fade these days seem to be a forgotten virtue when everybody's attention is focused on anti-lock capability. 4) Comfort For a car with such sporty abilities, its comfort levels are also excellent. The cabin is beautifully appointed, with carbon-fiber panel inserts in place of the wood trim of the '92 S4. All the expected gizmos are there.. heated seats, power seats, seat memory, power this and that. The glaring ommision was the trip computer, which was removed because Audi hasn't gotten it to work reliably yet.. That means that the car has no boost gauge. A real disappointment taking into account how much the turbo dominates its performance. Unusual for the germans, the S4 comes with a Honda style moonroof, as well as the very intelligent dial-a-sunroof-position rotary switch. Noise levels, including engine and tire noise is so low that I wouldn't consider the Lexus' advantage in this area to be significant enough to sway a potential buyer. 5) Conclusion Even though few will be able to afford an Audi S4 at its sticker price of $48K, the car is a bargain if one takes into account what it has to offer over the competition. The 20 valve turbo 5 is a real gem, even if it doesn't produce Ferrari sounds. No other luxury/sports sedan maker offers the utter security of quattro all wheel drive, which to some is worth the extra money all by itself. The safety features are also top notch.. 1994 side impact standard compliant, the very elegant automatic seat belt tensioners and the dual airbags. The 100 series Audis have been outstanding in government crash tests. It gets my thumbs up for being so overwhelmingly capable rather than being all out exciting and intoxicating. ",rec.autos 2796,":All right, listen up.... What are the possibilities of transmission through :swimming pool water? Especially if the chlorination isn't up to par? : :I've heard of community swimming pools refered to as PUBLIC URINALS so what :else is going on? No dice. As soon as the sperm cells hit the water they would virtually explode. The inside of the cell is hypertonic, and since the membrane is semipermeable water would rush in and cause the cell to burst. ",sci.med 2797," Indeed, the sky doesn't look much like a black body if you look carefully enough; in particular, its temperature at radio frequencies is quite a bit higher than you would see from a black body. Morgan&Gordon's fat ""Communications Satellite Handbook"" has a graph of sky temperature vs. wavelength, in fact, for communications design. However, in terms of energy content, the RF frequencies are negligible. For thermal purposes, at very large distances from the Sun the sky looks like a black body at 3.5K (Allen, ""Astrophysical Quantities""). I haven't found a number for non-large distances, since solar radiation tends to be something you can't just ignore :-), but M&G says ""about 4K"" in a brief discussion of why solar radiation dominates the problem.",sci.space 2798,"Simple !! Look for VESA drivers in VPIC 6.0e package !! Many SVGA card supported. Look for it on your favorite BBS. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Not tonight honey, i just received my Nuvotel :-] ",comp.graphics 2799," Uh, no. These burst detectors are just that, burst detectors. They have no angular resolution. Now a network of burst detectors could have angular resolution, but we do not have a decent set of different networks at the distances neccesary from each other to determine if they're happening in the oort cloud or not. We have one network, and trying to make two networks out of it degrades what angular resolution we have.",sci.space 2800,"Why is the NT tossed out as info on Jesus. I realize it is normally tossed out because it contains miracles, but what are the other reasons? MAC -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu",talk.religion.misc 2801," If any reliance was put on women's ""mothering instinct"" in an official explanation of a govt. action during a Republican administration, would it generate so few complaints? (as opposed to complaints about the action itself) -- ""Spending programs are now 'investments,' taxes are 'contributions,' and these are the same people who say _I_ need a dictionary?"" - Dan Quayle 2/19/93",talk.politics.misc 2802,"Recently I've come upon a body of literature which promotes colon cleansing as a vital aid to preventive medicine through nutrition. In particular, Dr. Bernard Jenssen in his book ""Colon Cleansing for Health and Longevity"" -- the title actually escapes me, but it is very similar to that -- claims that regular self-administered colonics, along with certain orally ingested ""debris-loosening agents"", boosts the immune system to a significant degree. He also plugs a unique appliance called the ""Colema Board"", which facilitates the self-administration of colonics. It sells for over $100 from a California-based company. He also plugs Vitra-Tox products as his chemical agents of choice: these include volcanic ash, supposedly for its electrical charge, and psyllium powder, for its bulkiness. If anyone knows anything about colon cleansing theory, its particulars, or the Colema Board and related products, I'd be very interested to hear about research and personal experience. This article is crossposted to alt.magick as the issue touches upon fasting and cleansing through a ""ritual"" system of purification. -- Eli ",sci.med 2803,"consistently ",None 2804," This presupposes that no supersonic ramjet aircraft/spacecraft can be reliable or low-cost. This is unproven.",sci.space 2805,"Sony CCD-V9 8mm Camcorder Originally bought for $1200 now only $399 Original Box & All Accesories.",misc.forsale 2806," The best thing to do is leave it, it will work its own way out to the surface. Anything you stick up there to try and clean it is just going to push the wax up against your eardrum and pack it on there solid, thus impairing your hearing .",sci.med 2807," Note that ""scientific evidence"" in this area does not prove any conclusions. There has been evidence to suggest that a certain part of homosexual's brains are different from heterosexuals- but that proves very little. Also notice that the apostles did not have with them the ""scientific evidence"" linking certain genes with alcoholism, or stealing with certain genetic problems. Even if they did have scientific evidence, I doubt it would have stopped them from communicating the teaching from the Holy Spirit that these things are sinful. This reminds me of a conversation with a professor of mine. He said something very true. Christianity teaches that we should not give in to our every inclination. Most people do give in to their leanings. In Christianity, we have the concept of struggling with the flesh, and bringing it into submission. One person may have a problem with his temper, and having a murderous heart, another may have a problem with homosexuality, another may be inclined to greed. But God offers us the opportunity to be more than conquerers. The preying mantis bites the head off of her mate after she mates with him. Is it natural for a woman to do the same thing to her husband? The Bible is concerned with human morality, and only touches on animal morality as it relates to humans.",soc.religion.christian 2808," Yes, it does. All the equipment has to have that Telekom approval number to be legal. What has changed is that you can buy the equipment somewhere else. I'm pretty sure the same holds true in Sweden (at least when I read some information on it about tweo years ago). And BTW I do know that most of the lines in Sweden can handle tone-dialing, just don't be sure that all can. ",sci.electronics 2809," Funny you should mention. That's the whole point 'paliks' invariably miss. Source: 'United Nations, Human Development Report,' 1990. Annual Output Per Person in Dollars Adjusted to Purchasing Power Parity: Turkiye, Greece and Chile are in the same category. That is, $3,000 - $5,999. Source: 'International Economics: Theory and Policy' by Paul R. Krugman and Maurice Obstfeld, Harper Collins Publishers, 1991, (second edition). In terms of 'Annual Output Per Person in Dollars Adjusted to Purchasing Power Parity,' Greece is in the same category with Turkiye. Indeed, Greek Governments have enormous problems to tackle. The economy is in shambles, corruption is rampant, air pollution is in outrageous dimensions, state-sponsored terrorism is the name of the game and infrastructure is decaying. Another insightful article in the New York Times (Sunday, April 7) exposes the dirty linen of Greece, and describes her as the pariah of the European Community. The article reports that ''...with un-European antics, Greece uses the Community as a cash register. She squanders, and at times even steals the European tax payers' money for political featherbedding at home. The principal members of the Community admit that it was a mistake to accept Greece to the European Community.'' This affirmation is testimony to the fact that notwithstanding her geographic location, Greece is un-European in mentality and attitude. Indeed, during the last 12 years, Turkiye registered a great success with regard to economic restructuring. A sound economy, ready to be integrated to the world economies, has emerged, succeeding to the faltering one, witnessed in the '70s. Just 12 years ago, Greece used to export double as much as Turkiye did. Now inversely, Turkiye's overall exports exceed by far that of Greece. As far as the tourism incomes are concerned, we are witnessing the same phenomenon. The governments in Turkiye have put a particular emphasis on the infrastructure investments (rather than investing in world terrorist organizations), thereby solving this issue completely. Indeed, in the '70s, it was out of the question to conduct a telephone call from Eastern Anatolia to the West. Nowadays, this is not the case at all, and in a far remote town, even in a village you may have, at any time, a long-distance call to any given country. However, the same could not be applied to Greece. In fact, it is not so easy in Athens to have a trunk call to Germany round the clock. And if you happen to be in the Greek islands, then your chance will be pretty slim. Therefore, it would not be an exaggeration to argue that Turkiye is far ahead of Greece in regard to telecommunication facilities. Greece, by virtue of its full membership, has enjoyed all advantages of the EC, obtaining huge grants and extensive subsidies. Turkiye, having no access at all to similar financial supports, has nevertheless managed to create a better economy which enabled it to produce consecutive current accounts surplus over the last two years. As such, Turkiye deserves to be the only country in its region having permanent current accounts surplus. Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 2810,,None 2811," But if He/She did you would probably consider it rape. Obviously there are many Christians who have tried and do believe. So .. ? No one asks you to swallow everything, in fact Jesus warns against it. But let me ask you a question. Do you beleive what you learn in history class, or for that matter anything in school. I mean it's just what other people have told you and you don't want to swallow what others say. right ... ? The life , death, and resurection of Christ is documented historical fact. As much as anything else you learn. How do you choose what to believe and what not to? I could argue that George Washington is a myth. He never lived because I don't have any proof except what I am told. However all the major events of the life of Jesus Christ were fortold hundreds of years before him. Neat trick uh?",alt.atheism 2812," I guess I'm still not clear on what the term ""candida bloom"" means, but certainly it is well known that thrush (superficial candidal infections on mucous membranes) can occur after antibiotic use. This has nothing to do with systemic yeast syndrome, the ""quack"" diagnosis that has been being discussed. Lucky how? Since a recent article (randomized controlled trial) of oral yogurt on reducing vaginal candidiasis, I've mentioned to a number of patients with frequent vaginal yeast infections that they could try eating 6 ounces of yogurt daily. It turns out most would rather just use anti-fungal creams when they get yeast infections. Again, this just isn't what the systemic yeast syndrome is about, and has nothing to do with the quack therapies that were being discussed. There is some evidence that attempts to reinoculate the GI tract with bacteria after antibiotic therapy don't seem to be very helpful in reducing diarrhea, but I don't think anyone would view this as a quack therapy.",sci.med 2813," This does not change the *fact* that ""Muslim"" is a legal and political term defined constitutionally in former Yugoslavia, and therefore has meaning and consequences entirely *independent* and *immaterial* of any religious considerations. You only wish it were so. More than 2,000,000 residents of Croatia and B-H have *not* accepted the terms of secession which Tudjman and Izetbegovic unilaterally forced upon them. Croats and Muslims may have a right to negotiated secession but they do not have a right to grab the *entire* territories of the former Yugoslav republics of Croatia and B-H. Oh, BTW, *Yugoslavia* was *internationally recognized* when it was destroyed by Tudjman, Izetbegovic, Milosevic, and the international community led by Germany. If Yugoslavia's borders could be changed against its will, then certainly Croatia's borders and B-H's borders can be changed as well. As I have stated many times: the civil war in ex-Yugoslavia will end when the terms of secession (borders, etc.) for Croatia and B-H are finally agreed upon. Serbs, Croats, and Muslims will *all* have to make territorial concessions to reach such an agreement. ",talk.politics.mideast 2814," There are several CRT-to-film writers around. Agfa has some, they also might be called Matrix?, and I am pretty sure other companies sell the same equipment. You might want to talk to any company in your area that does presentation slides or offers graphics services. They should have those machines and they might point you to a local vendor. From there on it's all a question of money. They units are essentially high res CRTs plus a filter wheel plus a 35mm camera and a computer hook-up. Reiner",comp.graphics 2815,"Sabres are Fuhr or know much Two words: Grant Fuhr.",rec.sport.hockey 2816,"RFD Request For Discussion for the OPEN TELEMATIC GROUP OTG I have proposed the forming of a consortium/task force for the promotion of NAPLPS/JPEG, FIF to openly discuss ways, method, procedures,algorythms, applications, implementation, extensions of NAPLPS/JPEG standards. These standards should facilitate the creation of REAL_TIME Online applications that make use of Voice, Video, Telecommuting, HiRes graphics, Conferencing, Distant Learning, Online order entry, Fax,in addition these dicussion would assist all to better understand how SGML, CALS, ODA, MIME, OODBMS, JPEG, MPEG, FRACTALS, SQL, CDrom, cdromXA, Kodak PhotoCD, TCL, V.FAST, and EIA/TIA562, can best be incorporated and implemented to develop TELEMATIC/Multimedia applications. We want to be able to support DOS, UNIX, MAC, WINDOWS, NT, OS/2 platforms. It is our hope that individuals, developers, corporations, Universities, R & D labs would join in in supporting such an endeavor. This would be a NOT_FOR_PROFIT group with bylaws and charter. Already many corporations have decided to support OTG (Open TELEMATIC Group) so do not delay joining if you are a developer An RFD has been posted to form a usenet newsgroup and a FAQ will soon be be composed to start promulgating what is known on the subject. If you would like to be added to the maillist send email or mail to the address below. This group would publish an electronic quarterly NAPLPS/JPEG newsletter as well as a hardcopy version. We urge all who wants to see CMCs HiRes based applications & the NAPLPS/JPEG G R O W, decide to join and mutually benefit from this NOT-FOR_PROFIT endeavor. NOTE: Telematic has been defined by Mr. James Martin as the marriage of Voice, Video, Hi-res Graphics, Fax, IVR, Music over telephone lines/LAN. If you would like to get involve write to me at: IMG Inter-Multimedia Group| Internet: epimntl@world.std.com P.O. Box 95901 | ed.pimentel@gisatl.fidonet.org Atlanta, Georgia, US | CIS : 70611,3703 | FidoNet : 1:133/407 | BBS : +1-404-985-1198 zyxel 14.4k",comp.graphics 2817,": Gateway 2000 has released a new Flash BIOS update for their local bus systems : Because I'm such a nice person, I uploaded them to wuarchive.wustl.edu. Look : for glb05.exe in the msdos_uploads section. Enjoy! I blindly installed it and I haven't had any problems or noticed any differences yet! Note that I did not backup my previous BIOS, you can with the tool that they ship. Rob ""I live on the edge"" Laddish ---------___---------------------------------------------------------- / / Robert Laddish AT&T: 707-577-3767 HEWLETT/hp/PACKARD HP Santa Rosa, Ca. Telnet: 1-577-3767 /__/ mail stop 4USR robl@sr.hp.com ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2818,"I am doing research on atheism, part of which involves field research here on the net. The following is a survey directed towards all readers of this group, intended to get data about the basis of atheistic belief. I would seriously appreciate it if each and every one of you would fill it out and mail it back to me at mtabbott@unix.amherst.edu. First of all, I've tried to structure questions that can be answered in a variety of ways, with varying amounts of detail; it's possible to give succinct answers to most everything, but there's enough here to keep most of you typing for hours, I'm sure. As much detail as you want to give me (I mean it) is great, but it's also important for me to have as broad a base of individuals as possible, so even minimal responses are far better than nothing -- it's a short survey if you just answer the questions without elaboration. Secondly, I hope some of the questions don't come off as obnoxious; I know that phrases like ""What would convince you of the existence of God"" imply that I am a seminary student intent on proving you all to be ignorant Godless heathens. In fact, I'm not too sure about the existence of a higher power myself, so my use of ""God"" is a question of locution rather than ideology -- it's easier than just repeating ""a deity or higher power"" every time. Also, I tend to use a lot of anthropological buzzwords like ""belief system"" although I know some of you might contend that you don't have ANY beliefs, but are skeptical towards everything. I understand; but you know what I mean. Think of such buzzwords as abbreviations for the rather unweildy phrases required to get the precise idea across. Lastly, thanks! Please fill out as much as you can, in as much detail as you can, and send them to me. My research and I thank you. --------------- Where would you place your beliefs, on the spectrum Theism <--> Agnosticism <--> Weak Atheism <--> Strong Atheism? Feel free to elaborate on your specific beliefs. In what, if any, religious tradition were you raised? Did you ever believe in the existence of a God? (Several of the following questions presume that the answer to this is ""yes;"" if you've always been an atheist, or at least never a theist, you may have to modify the question/answer somewhat.) How serious was your/your family's involvement? How and when did you start to doubt the tenets you were raised to believe? How and when did your ""final break"" with your beliefs, if any, occur? I realize that this is often more of an ongoing process than an ""event"" per se; whatever the case, just describe it in whatever detail you wish. What contact with other atheists have you had; before and after (and during) your ""conversion"" to atheism? (Certainly your involvement with alt.atheism counts -- how have net discussions affected your beliefs?) To what extent do you think other atheists have influenced you in your beliefs? Did you come by your beliefs through discussion, through independent means, or by some combination of the two or other means? Are you convinced that your beliefs were acquired through wholly rational means (proofs of the non-existence of God, etc), or was it perhaps, at least in part, through other means (alienation from mainstream religion, etc)? To what extent do you feel you ""understand"" the universe through your beliefs? What phenomena of the universe and of human existence (anything from physical phenomena to the problem of the existence of evil in human affairs) do you feel are adequately dealt with by your beliefs, and where are they lacking as an explanatory method? What would it take for you to question, or change, your beliefs? What would convince you of the existence of God, what would convince you of the plausibility of God's existence, and so forth? How dynamic are your beliefs -- are they constantly changing; have they stayed more or less the same for some time? Are you involved in a career or education in science? To what extent do you think science has influenced your beliefs? (Issac Asimov claimed that science was the new ""secular religion,"" and that ""scientists are, in a very real sense, the new priesthood."" Do you see the pursuit of science as having a quasi- religious base, or even a religious element?) --------------- This survey is intended to get data from a broad range of individuals, but also to help me narrow down the field to a small group of people whose ideas and histories could be very useful to me. Would you be willing to have me, on the basis of this survey, write you to find out more about you and your beliefs? If not, fine; your filling out the survey alone is great. --------------- Thanks again. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions about what I'm doing with this data, or if you have anything to say in addition to what I've asked about above. ",alt.atheism 2819," Yeah. In a fire that reportedly burned hotter than 1000 degrees-- hot enough to make the bodies still unidentifiable-- the authorities found a gun that was recognizably fully-automatic and state of the art. Isn't that CONVEEEENIENT?",talk.religion.misc 2820," Well, when you say, without Morris, you have to mention an assumed replacement. If the alternative to Morris was letting Cito Gaston soft-toss the ball underhand to the opposition every 5 days, then of course the Blue Jays wouldn't have won without Morris. If the alternative was replacement level, then I think it would've been very close, and yes, Morris might've made the difference. If the alternative was Frank Viola, the Blue Jays probably would have won more easily with Viola. Yes. You can make the argument that the his presence prevented the team from collapsing in August. Those innings were probably helpful. Well, I think is complete bs. What happened most of the time is that Morris fell behind, and the team came back and rescued him. Mostly, this is because he's a lousy 1st inning pitcher, and much better the rest of the way. That the team can climb out of 4-0, 5-0 holes consistently and win them 6-5 is not to Morris' credit; it's to the team's credit. Furthermore, while Morris did exceed the W-L percentage that would be projected from his runs allowed and run support, he hasn't done this in previous years. In fact, his W-L record in 1991 is a lot worse than what it projects to be with run support and runs allowed. Do you think he just came up with this ability in 1992. Look at the 2 postseason games he pitched decently in. Typical Morris games. Morris gets behind; team rescues him. He's not responsible for that rescue. And in both those games, the team just didn't rescue him enough. Jack Morris pitched as well as he did during much of the season in those 2 games; the offense just didn't earn him a victory. Morris is one of those guys who will reture when he can't start anymore; he's too bad a first inning pitcher to serve in the bullpen.",rec.sport.baseball 2821," Micronics & AMI came out with EISA/VLB motherboards. Byte Mag tests indicate that VLB is faster for video but EISA is faster for disk ops. So I'll wait for GW2K to hopefully start using the Micronics board. -- ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2822," Well, the fastest, crudest mixer (aside from just physically connecting all your inputs together directly) is to run each signal through a resistor to a common output. The resistors give some isolation so the signal sources aren't driving directly into each other. Taking a wild, seat-of-the-pants guess, I'd say that if you are mixing high-impedance sources like some dynamic mikes, electric guitar pickups, etc., your resistors ought to be maybe 5K - 10K or so. If you are mixing line-level stuff or the outputs of a Walkman, or such, I'd go with 1K. input 1 --/\/\/\/ -------------+--- output | input 2 --/\/\/\/\-------------+ | input 3 --/\/\/\/\-------------+ ",sci.electronics 2823,"You might look for an allergy doctor in your area who uses sublingual drops instead of shots for treatment. (You are given a small bottle of antigens; 3 drops are placed under the tongue for 5 minutes.) My allergy to bermuda grass was neutralized this way. Throughout the treatment process I had to return to the doctor's office every month for re-testing and a new bottle of antigens. After the allergy was completely neutralized a bottle of maintenance antigens lasts me about 4 months (the sublingual drops are then taken 3 times per week), and costs $20. So the cost is less than shots and it is more convenient just to take the drops at home.",sci.med 2824," When I might possibly be on the receiving end of a violent gesture, then *I* get to decide for myself. If someone does not like it, too bad. I would be doing exactly what YOU or any other living creature would do in terms of evaluation. What's the big deal? Sometimes. I might. Not in my experience. And let us not forget that context is often an important factor in evaluating a situation. Seeing disheveled persons on a hiking trail is not likely to be evaluated equally with meeting a grimey sort, as described above, on a lonely city street at 3 am. Anyone that cannot properly discriminate between these two different situations is legitimate fodder for the old ""survival of the fittest"" principle. Sounds like you doubt your own abilities. You sound pretty typical in this respect. You also seem to think that you'll be safe or safer if others are unarmed. This is dangerous fantasy. Then you are in need of some form of therapy. Not necessarily that of an analyst, but maybe you should learn about guns. Your fear is seems to be based in ignorance and false knowledge. You see a person with a gun and you feel threatened. Why is this so? Have you any legitimate basis for this? Any first-hand experience that lends validity to your fears? Or are your fears based on mediated experience, i.e. the anecdotes of others such as network news? I trust you can see the lack of legitimacy in such mediated inputs? And why are you afraid of the PEOPLE as mentioned above? Forgive me, but you sound afraid to the point of paranoia. Perhaps you should talk to someone about this. I am not saying this to be rude or fascetious, but I think anyone with fear as deep and baseless as yours *seems* to be needs some sort of help. Living in fear really sucks, even if it is only when around people with guns in the back country. Tell me: would you be as fearful of a park ranger who was right in front of you with their side arm in clear view? Why or why not?",talk.politics.guns 2825," From the word 'statim' (Latin, I think), meaning immediately. =========================",None 2826," Is there room for nudists? After all, if you believe most upstanding moral churches, nudity IS a sin... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------",alt.atheism 2827,"I just thought I would pass along my experience with APS. I recently ordered an external Quantum 240. The salesperson was friendly and knowledgeable, the order came when promised, and the invoice was at the price quoted. Installing the drive was simple; I didn't even have to read the manual. The SCSI address is set by a pushbutton arrangement. I daisy-chained the drive from my Syquest (also from APS) and booted up with no problems. I'm still going through all the shareware that comes on the drive. It's a pretty good assortment. The drive/fan is a bit noisier than I would like, but I think it'll be OK. The speed seems very good, although I haven't run any objective tests. It also seems to spin up pretty quickly; I can hit the power switch for it, and almost immediately power the Mac without any problems booting from the drive. Some observations: the case is plastic (good quality, though) while my older Syquest case is metal. There is one LED, which is normally green, and flickers red as the drive is accessed. Just a data point, Rich",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2828,"I think the main reason is that in the good old hacker days of the young(er) Gates' and Jobs' of the world, the computer was not as widespread a phenomenom as it is now. With the increased popularity of the PC come a plethora of mundane business uses which required more practical minded and narrower-focused programmers. Why be a hacker when you can get a good job programming databases or programs for accountants? Basically, the yuppies caught up and disciplined the hackers, and molded them in their own image. ",comp.graphics 2829," I've yet to meet a group of Baptists who were stockpiling Cambell's soup and M-16's/AR-15's and banging/marrying thirteen yuear olds. You're a sorry son of a bitch if you can't draw a distinction between these two things. People like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend sociopaths who aren't deserved of it. Get a life and chill on the paranoia.",talk.politics.guns 2830," Well I am one of those (apparently) odd people who can sometimes control their dreams. For example, I might decide before going to sleep that I want to repeat a favourite dream, or dream about a specific place. Or if I am having an unpleasant dream, I can often (not always) redirect events to something more pleasant. I guess I think that the same standards apply in these ""directed"" dreams as apply in waking fantasies or real life (ref Jesus teaching about looking at a woman lustfully being the same a committing adultary). When my normal dreams display themes that I would not conciously chose to dream about, I take that as a sign that all is not well with my ""inner life"" - maybe I have underlying tenstions/fears that need to be resolved, or maybe its straightforward sin. In either case, the cause needs to be resolved. In fact, either case is pretty rare. I don't often remember dreams that I don't chose to have. When I do, they almost always tell me something important. I also almost never dream in pictures, and especially not in colour (in fact I've had precisely one full colour picture dream that I can remember, and it was definately spiritually important) I tend to dream in sound, with the odd blurred image, in black and white. Interesting topic - I'll be fascinated to read other responses. Alison",soc.religion.christian 2831," Only if you want to stop. Seriously though, every 2 years you should have this done. Brake fluid absorbs water over time, the water becomes steam when the fluid gets hot, and steam compresses. You'll also have better luck with the longevity of master cylinder, calipers and brake lines.",rec.autos 2832,"Does anybody know what is going on with Lankford? I know he was out for a few games with a slight injury, but since he has beenback (and before the injury for that matter) he has been really struggling at the plate and on the basepaths. Whereis the Ray Lankford we saw last year??? -- msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu GO CUBS!!!",rec.sport.baseball 2833,"From article <1suntv$3km@watson.mtsu.edu>, by csjohn@watson.mtsu.edu (John Wallace): The GL file is an archive containing individual frames or pieces of frames (usually stored as .PIC or .CLP files), fonts, and a .TXT file that tells the GRASP animation system how to display it. GL stands for Grasp Library. There is probably a detailed discussion of this subject in the alt.binaries.pictures FAQ. There are freely distributable viewers for GL files, and they are usually named GRASPRT?.EXE (replace the ? with a version digit or letter). Most GL files contain frames that are hardware-specific to particular modes of the CGA, EGA, or VGA adapters on PCs. I think that there are some copies of GRASPRT available by anonymous ftp (I know that I got one there a long time ago). Good Luck Jack ",comp.graphics 2834,"unsubscribe ",None 2835,"-*---- The millipede's around here (Austin) have no sting. Some of the centipedes do. The question Rebecca Snyder asks is much like asking ""How venomous are snakes?"" One either wants to ask ""which snake?"" or point to some reference on the many different species of snake. Similarly, there are many different species of millipede and centipede. (These are different families; millipedes have two pairs of legs per body segment, while centipedes have but one pair.) Sorry if this information is not useful.",sci.med 2836," Spray the chain wax onto the rollers and sideplates occassionally, and rust will not be a problem. Later,",rec.motorcycles 2837," [Loads of horrendous MZ engine problems deleted] Yeah, buy a four-stroke.",rec.motorcycles 2838,"I don't think mr. Clinton can even understand the technical details of the clipper encryption scheme. So, his ""assurances"" are of no value at al, if he gives them he just says what a panel of experts(?) told him. If I lived in the USA, I would hope those experts were not paid by the . ""The doctrine of plausible deniability"". No-one is going to tell him it has a back door. The NSA will assume he has the sense to work it out for himself or they wouldn't be pushing it. Clinton might even *believe* the NSA when they tell him, for the record, it doesn't have a back door. And no FOIA request in the world will ever find it. These guys don't play by that set of rules. They have their own rule book, and no, you're not allowed to see that either.",sci.crypt 2839,"Does anybody have any information on the second generation Broncos? (I'm not talking about Bronco II's, I'm referring to the Broncos that began production in 1978 based on the F-150 chassis I believe) I need to know what to look for, can the tops be removed from all models, how easily can that be done. Also, what kind of price range should I be looking at? (i.e. what is blue book) I'm in college right now, and would like a Jeep. Unfortunately, I've got a bit of a ride to school, and I need to carry a lot of junk to and from the dormitory in the spring/fall. I think that the Bronco (with the removable fiberglass) would be a better (read ""bigger"") choice than a CJ-5 or CJ-7. Even better: anybody in the Maryland/Virginia area interested in selling one?",rec.autos 2840,"hello, I just want to make 2 points: 1) The FBI is not stupid. These people are chosen for their intelligence, education, loyalty to the government, etc. They are given much intensive training. So, to all of you who refuse to believe there could be any conspiracy here, and say that the FBI was just stupid, I say I don't believe it. 2) The FBI has acces to the latest in audio and video technology -- the latest digital systems. The FBI can manufacture evidence. Need a tape of Koresh saying, ""light the fire"", and you can have one. Need a thermal imaging video of three people lighting fires, and through the magic of computer graphics, you can have one. The thing is, manufacturing these pieces of evidence takes time. So it may be a few more days before we get to see them. Or maybe we just haven't heard any tapes or seen any FBI video is because it is: 1) classified 2) too gruesome for our eyes 3) lost/got coffee spilled on it Dwayne Jacques Fontenot",talk.politics.guns 2841," You probably were trying to be facetious but just for the record partial nasal obstruction is correlated with a number of chronic disorders such as migraine, hyperthyroidism, asthma, peptic ulcer, dysmenorrhea, and lack of libido (:-) ) [Riga IN. Rev d'Oto-Neuro-Ophthalmol 1957;24:325-335], cardiac symptoms [Jackson RT. Annals of Otology 1976;85:65-70 Cvetnic MH, Cvetnic V. Rhinology 1980;18:47-50 Cottle MH. Rhinology 1980;18:67-81], and fever, inadequate oral intake and electrolyte imbalance [Fairbanks DNF. Otorhinolaryngology Head and Neck Surgery 1986;94:412-415). So before you post your inane comments it would be nice if you'd run a MEDLINE search on the topic say back to 1966. There's been extensive literature on this for over a 100 years. I may be in cardiology but I've had a very good working relationship with my colleagues from ENT.",sci.med 2842,"I have to agree wholeheartedly with this view. I don't like to see stickwork, but you have to clear players away from in front. My personal favorite move (I'm a goalie too) is to give the offeding player a good whack on the back of their skates when the ref isn't looking. Makes 'em go down like a ton of bricks, but doesn't cause injuries unless they don't know how to fall (I'm talking about hitting the blades here, not the foot). It also makes the player you hit and anyone who sees really mad and apt to take a stupid retaliation penalty. Unfortunately, it also leaves your blocker out of position for a short time...I don't do this if a shot is likely on the short side. Hmm....maybe I should mail Potvin this method (in French and with helpful diagrams, of course). It sure would be nice to see Ciccerelli (who I have a great deal of respect for, BTW, he's not a big guy, but he plays huge!) fall on his back a few times! :-)",rec.sport.hockey 2843," EXACTLY!! Read that one sentence in there...""to the degree that means other than the death penalty and military operations are sufficient to keep the peace, then these non-violent provisions are to be preferred..."" I don't believe that it is necessary for us to murder criminals to keep the peace; the Church in the United States feels the same way, thus the reason that the Catholic Church has opposed every execution in this country in recent memory. So what is justifiable? As you stated very explicitly from the new Catechism, the only justifiable case is when it is necessary to keep the peace. Since that does not apply *at all* to this country, the logical conclusion (based on your own premises) is that one must be opposed to *any* form of capital punishment in America. ",soc.religion.christian 2844," This is the price hockey fans have to pay for the mistake of leaving ESPN 5 or 6 years ago...it will take time to correct for that mistake. But returning to ESPN was the correct decision last year...by next time, we may have the potential for Sportschannel and ESPN to really compete to offer better coverage and be forced to deliver on it.",rec.sport.hockey 2845,"Hi, I am doing a term paper on the syringe and I have found some information. It is said that Charles Pravaz has invented the hypodermic needle, but then I have also found that Alexander Wood has invented it. Does anyone know which one it is, of if it was anyone else? If there is anymore information that is out there could you please send it to me. Thank you very much. Becky Olsen ",sci.med 2846,"I need the box score from the April 15 game I believe the score was 5 to 4 if anyone can provide it for me I would appreciate it....",rec.sport.baseball 2847,"}I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. }This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride }(read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, }fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). Unless she is really adventurous, do NOT take her on this route for her first extended ride! That's kinda like taking someone on a no-show 10-way speed star competition as their first skydive. }This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much }of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go? }I want her to hold onto me :-) rather than the grab rail out back, and }I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're }turning so she leans *with* me, but what else? Are there traditional 1) If the Ninja has adjustable suspension, adjust it to a stiffer setting so you don't bottom out in bumpy curves. 2) Tell her the 3 cardinal rules are: a) NEVER EVER EVER EVER put her feet down. Not when you stop at a STOP sign, not when she thinks you're gonna crash, never. Keep them on the pegs until you tell her to get off the bike. b) She is to hold onto your waist. She should hold on tightly enough that she won't slide off the bike if you twist the throttle a bit. And (added bonus for you here), she should keep as close to your butt as possible so quick stops don't make her slide into you and knock your balls up onto the gas tank. You decide how best to word this. c) Just stay perpendicular to the bike; straight up in the seat. Don't lean your body into curves, just go with the bike and stay perpendicular. Don't look over your shoulder.* 3) Remember at all times that you have a passenger on the back. That means don't pop the clutch, and try to corner and stop smoother than usual. Be aware that if you jump on the brake, you're going to have the equivalent of a 100 lb. dead weight crashing into you from behind, so be prepared for that. 4) Make sure she pisses before the ride even if she says she doesn't have to go. No anti-women stuff here; I have a tiny bladder myself. 5) Remind her to look around while you're riding. Point to things of interest. It makes the ride more enjoyable to her (she won't get so focused on just looking at the back of your helmet), and it gives her ample excuse to squeeze you to show she saw what you pointed at. * My wife and I tried the MSF-recommended ""look over the rider's shoulder in curves"" bit, and it just didn't work. The timing of her weight shift was unpredictable (especially on the Maxim because, unlike the Ninja, the upright riding position really restricts the pillion's view of the road ahead). Next time I had her just remain perpendicular to the bike, and I could hardly tell there was someone else on the bike in curves, and she weighs substantially over 100 lbs.",rec.motorcycles 2848," No. It's called ""not wiping off the apparatus after taking a picture of the whole leaf.""",sci.med 2849," I have had a SCSI and IDE drive working together for some years now. SCSI is supposedly pretty transparent to other types of drives (ESDI,RLL,IDE,etc) - but oftentimes you need to get the correct drivers to get it to work with odd environments. For information purposes, I had:",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2850,"You mena in the same way french intelliegence agents steal documents from US corporate executives?",sci.space 2851,"shut up andi! ",None 2852," Two notes of interest from Texas: The Tarrant Couonty ME (who is doing the autopsies) is well known for rendering judgements that are contrary to the police view. He presented evidence a few years ago that a man who police said was pointing a gun at them actually had his hands in the air. This does not bode well for the boys in black. The Texas Dept. of Public Saftey and the Texas Rangers have no great love for the ATF. I have heard them referred to as ""those fucking cowboys"". The DPS was totally squeezed out of the BD operation and resented being left as ""traffic cops"". ATF now has two strikes against them. Finally (I guess that makes three notes), rumour from Waco is that four ATF agents were stopped by four Waco police cars and a DPS trooper after one of the flashed ""an automatic weapon"" at a cop. Lots of pissed of cops. And you wonder why there were so few cops really cheering on the ATF.",talk.politics.guns 2853,"Since we're on the subject of brakes.... does anyone know why a 4WD Vauxhall/ Opel disengages drive to the rear wheels when the brakes are applied? Vauxhall boast about how the car is more stable in fwd mode during braking than in 4wd mode.... how is this so? ...Shaz... ",rec.autos 2854,,None 2855," I just installed a MC Power Arc II, and it seems to run great. I also used MC coils, and neither the ignition module or the coils required any new mounting holes to be drilled on my 92 FXSTC. A little soldering and all was fine. Static timing was real easy to set too. On the other side of the coin, my local wrench, whose opinion I invariably seek but don't always adopt, thinks MC Power Arc is a ""piece of shit"" and says ""all them Jap chips are gonna fail you one day"". Needless to say, he doesn't like any electronic ignition modules, and recommends the Dyna-S system. I think that's the one with the Hall-effect timing sensor(s), correct?",rec.motorcycles 2856," And this is just the beginning. Fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government will not get away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, and 204,000 Azeri people. Your criminal grandparents committed unheard-of crimes, resorted to all conceivable methods of despotism, organized massacres, poured petrol over babies and burned them, raped women and girls in front of their parents who were bound hand and foot, took girls from their mothers and fathers and appropriated personal property and real estate. And today, they put Azeris in the most unbearable conditions any other nation had ever known in history. Your fascist grandparents admitted their unspeakable crimes then. Why deny them now? Now the genocide of the truth by the criminal/Nazi Armenians? Not a chance. Source: ""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) ""Foreword:"" ""For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar mosque, the most habitable building of a destroyed village, near the border of Persia and Russian Armenia. During the course of evening I asked Ohanus if he could tell me anything of the history of the village and the cause of its destruction. In his matter of fact way he replied, Yes, I assisted in its sack and destruction, and witnessed the slaying of those whose bones you saw to-day scattered among its ruins."" p. 202 (first and second paragraphs). ""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead."" p. 15 (second paragraph). ""The Tartars were, for the most part, poor. Some of them lived in villages and cultivated small farms; many of them continued in the way of life of their nomadic forefathers. They drove their flocks and herds from valley to valley, from plain to mountain, and from mountain to plain, following the pasturage as it changed with the seasons. They ranged from the salt desert shores of the Caspian Sea far into the mighty Caucasus Mountains. Even the village Tartars are a primitive people, only semicivilized."" ""I can see now that we Armenians frankly despised the Tartars, and, while holding a disproportionate share of the wealth of the country, regarded and treated them as inferiors. The fact that the Russians looked down upon all Armenians in much the same way as Armenians regarded Tartars, far from proving a bond between ourselves and our racially different neighbors, intensified an attitude and conduct on our part that served only to exacerbate hostility."" p. 20 (second paragraph). ""Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the Tartar section of the village. There were no lights in the houses and the doors were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to happen and were in great fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but got no response; whereupon they smashed in the doors and began a carnage that continued until the last Tartar was slain. Throughout the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror, unable to shut my ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and the loud shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished."" p. 109 (second paragraph). ""As things were, the members of the Dashnack Party were without administrative experience; consequently the government they instituted quickly proved itself incompetent to rule by legitimate means. The members of the government had been revolutionists working in secret and outside the law. When they became a legally instituted, recognized governing body with the destiny of Armenia in their hands, they proved incompetent to do better than resume the terrorist tactics that had characterized their fight against the Russian and Turkish Governments in their outlaw days. The outstanding feature of their rule, now that they were in power, was, as in the old days, trial and execution without hearing. A man evoking the displeasure of the government or of some official would be tried and condemned without arrest or preference of charges against him. The method of execution was for a government 'mauserist' to walk up behind the condemned man in his home or on the street, place a pistol to the back of his head and blow out his brains. This simple way of getting rid of those who were undesirable in the view of the government and soon became a common way of paying debts."" p. 203 (first paragraph). ""A soldier succeeded in driving his bayonet through the Tartar. I saw the point of the weapon emerge through his back. ...Another soldier seized a rock and pounded the Tartar's head with it... The Armenian who had bayoneted him sprang to his feet, wrested the weapon from the Tartar's body, and, raising it to his lips, licked it clean of blood, exclaiming in Russian, 'Slodkey! Slodkey!' (Sweet.)"" p. 203 (second paragraph). ""One evening I passed through what had been a Tartar village. Among the ruins a fire was burning. I went to the fire and saw seated about it a group of soldiers. Among them were two Tartar girls, mere children. The girls were crouched on the ground, crying softly with suppressed sobs. Lying scattered over the ground were broken household utensils and other furnishings of Tartar peasant homes. There were also bodies of the dead."" p. 204 (first paragraph). ""I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying of a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to make my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the tragedy that had been enacted. Guided by the child's crying, I entered the yard of a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been the home of a Turkish family. There in a corner of the yard I found a women dead. Her throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a year old."" p. 118. ""Slowly the train of oxcarts lumbered along through the snow, the cart jolting and the loads swaying. Boys ran along the line of oxen, encouraging them with shrill Tartar cries, and belaboring the beasts with sticks. In the carts, the women, veiled as is the Tartar way, held children in their arms. Wrapped in blankets and huddled among the goods that burdened the carts they sought protection from the wind and cold. A few old men plodded along on foot. Across the road through the ravine a barrier had been thrown. The leading oxteam reached this barrier and halted. The gunmen and other ruffians concealed among the rocks opened fire. Women and children leaped and scrambled from the carts, screamed, ran and sought vainly for safety. This massacre was not complete. The Armenian soldiers in the near-by barracks, hearing the firing and the turmoil, hurried to the scene.... That same day the abandoned Tartar quarter of Alexandropol was looted and completely destroyed."" p. 192. ""Great swarms of peasants who had come out of their hiding-places on the retreat of the Turks followed our army as it advanced.... They entered into the city with the army and immediately began plundering the stores that had been left by the Turks."" p. 193. ""Terrible vengeance was taken upon Tartars, Kurds and Turks. Their villages were destroyed and they themselves were slain or driven out of the country."" p. 195. ""The fanatical Dashnacks hated the Turks above all others and then in order of diminishing intensity: Tartars, Kurds and Russians."" p. 218. (First and second paragraphs) ""Russian troops did terrible things in the Turkish villages...We Armenians did not spare the Tartars....If persisted in, the slaughtering of prisoners, the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless become commonplace actions expected and accepted as a matter of course. I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground, in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. They had been as helpless and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands, and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself."" p. 133 (first paragraph) ""In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some, mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw."" p. 19 (first paragraph) ""The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."" p. 22 (second paragraph) ""Many of our men had served in the Russian Army, and were trained soldiers. We Armenians were rich and possessed arms. Tartars had never received military training. They were poor, and possessed few arms beyond knives. ...Shortly after the killing of the Tartars in our village, the revolution in Russia was suppressed."" p. 97 (third paragraph) ""Within a few years, following the beginning of the movement, an invisible government of Armenians by Armenians had been established in Turkish Armenia in armed opposition to the Turkish Government. This secret government had its own courts and laws and an army of assassins called 'Mauserists' (professional killers) to enforce its decrees."" p. 98 (first paragraph) ""The Dashnacks were in continual open rebellion against the Turkish Government."" p. 98 (third paragraph) ""...the Dashnacks engineered a general revolt of Armenians in Turkish Armenia under the mistaken belief that European nations would intervene and secure independence for Turkish Armenia."" p. 99 (second paragraph) ""The Dashnacks were fanatics."" p. 99 (third paragraph) ""The Dashnacks took advantage of this situation and extended their revolutionary activities into the Russian province. They instituted a campaign of terrorism and employed threats and force in securing contributions to the party funds from rich Armenians. A wealthy man would be assessed a stipulated sum. Refusal to pay brought upon him a sentence of death. Every member of the party was pledged to carry out orders without question. If a man were to be assassinated, lots might be drawn to select an executioner or the job might be assigned to one of the 'mauserists' of the party."" p. 130 (first paragraph) ""...in moments of victory against Turks and Kurds or Tartars, they [Armenians] have been remorseless in seeking vengeance."" p. 130 (third paragraph) ""The city was a scene of confusion and terror. During the early days of the war, when the Russian troops invaded Turkey, large numbers of the Turkish population abandoned their homes and fled before the Russian advance."" p. 159 (second paragraph) ""I made a cannon, a huge gun to lift which required four men. I made balls for it. With my cannon the Armenians could knock down any of the Tartar houses and so they were able to drive the Tartars out."" p. 181 (first paragraph) ""The Tartar villages were in ruins."" p. 189 (third paragraph) ""The dead Tartar lay with his head in a pool of mud and blood, his beard still setaceous and now crimsoned."" Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 2857," I don't necessarily disagree with your assertion, but I disagree with your reasoning. (Faith = Bad. Dogma = Bad. Religion -> (Faith ^ Dogma). Religion -> (Bad ^ Bad). Religion -> Bad.) Unfortunately, you never state why faith and dogma are dangerous. If you believe faith and dogma are dangerous because of what happened in Waco, you are missing the point. The Branch Davidians made the mistake of confusing the message with the messenger. They believed Koresh was a prophet, and therefore believed everything he said. The problem wasn't the religion, it was the followers. They didn't die because of faith and dogma, they died because of their zealotry (or, in the case of the children, the zealotry of their parents). So Christians are totally irrational? Irrational with respect to their religion only? What are you saying? One's belief in a Christian God does not make one totally irrational. I think I know what you were getting at, but I'd rather hear you expand on the subject. Again, this statement is too general. A Christian is perfectly capable of being a philosopher, and absolutely capable of changing his/her mind. Faith in God is a belief, and all beliefs may change. Would you assert that atheists would make poor philosophers because they are predisposed to not believe in a God which, of course, may show unfair bias when studying, say, religion? So, Christianity is a prison, eh? Ever heard of parole? You have read far too much into this subject. A Christian is one who follows the religion based on the teachings of a man named Jesus Christ. Nowhere does this definition imply that one cannot change one's mind. In prison, however, you can't just decide to leave. One is voluntary, the other is not. The two are not compatible. I prefer to think of religion as a water pistol filled with urine. 8^) Seriously, though, some (but certainly not all) religions do condemn groups of people. The common target is the ""infidel,"" a curious being who is alternately an atheist, a non-, a person of a different race, or an Egyptian. 8^) Please explain how ""just because"" thinking kills people. (And please state more in your answer than ""Waco."") I'll see your conscientious peacenik and raise you a religious zealot with bad acne. 8^) By the way, I wasn't aware mass suicide was a problem. Waco and Jonestown were isolated incidents. Mass suicides are far from common. ",alt.atheism 2858," Precisely. One wonders what unusual strain the boy might be under that could be causing ""difficulty with his behavior"". Standard practice would be to get a second opinion from a child psychiatrist. One would want to rule out the possibility that the ""bad behavior"" is not psychiatric illness at all. (Disclaimer: I am not a medic. But I am a parent.) ",sci.med 2859," No, Boston probably won't go down easy, but if the Sabres hadn't won game one Buffalo would have been out in four. And what problem are you having with playoff games here in Buffalo???!!!??? There's the Sabres-Bruins, Quebec-Montreal, and whatever ESPN and ABC show, and on opposite nights there's Toronto-Detroit and whatever ESPN(/ABC) shows. More hockey than a good chunk of North America, either side of the border. It's wonderful, and there are thousands of folks who'd kill to be in your shoes, coverage-wise. ",rec.sport.hockey 2860," Pretty high frequency for one chip... Yes and no. I would use the FM transmitter chip from Motorola (Linear and Interface Databook), a stable cristal oscillator and a mixer (e.g. SBL-1 from mini circuits lab). Everything is done in the FM chip and then mixed up with the oscillator frequency. Just have a look at the ARRL Handbook. There are lots of ideas in there about oscillators and mixing. I don't think, there are single chip designs for such high frequencies yet. Cheers Robert HB9NBY",sci.electronics 2861," It was NOT Krupp's skate. Krupp was defending against Steve Tuttle, of the Blues. They both sort of tripped and fell toward Malarchuk, and Tuttle's skate came perilously close to cutting (but actually just missed) the jugular. Malarchuk immediately fell to the ice, hands at his neck, blood on the ice. He'd been suffering from it for over a decade. He just wasn't diagnosed for it until he didn't sleep for ten days and decided to have some alcohol to help him sleep. Unfortunately, he'd just been put on ulcer medicine a few days earlier. It's amazing he lasted as long as he did. OCD sufferers stop distinguishing the line between reality and imagination, or fail to accept that something they've checked is OK now. For example, an OCD sufferrer can wash his hands over and over and still think they're dirty. He might check the oven ten times to be sure it's turned off. He might see a movie about something and automatically assume the situation is the same for his own life. Malarchuk has dramatically decreased the medicine he takes, but still needs it. He went off it this past winter and had a bad OCD episode and I think was in the hospital for a couple days. (He felt it slowed his reflexes, so he tried to go without). In any event, he is alive and well and living in San Diego, while playing with the Gulls (IHL). And Tuttle is no longer with the Blues, but I don't know where he is. Possibly in the IHL, but you'd best ask a Blues fan. ",rec.sport.hockey 2862," You can tell your friend from me that I was in a publisher's warehouse one time and saw thousands of copies of The Joy of Cooking and every one of them was syllable-perfect. I have since sold all I own and become a follower of The Joy of Cooking. The incident I mentioned convinced me, once and for all, that The Joy of Cooking is inspired by god and the one true path to his glory.",alt.atheism 2863,"I need help in creating my 4x4 perspective matrix. I'd like to use this for transforming x, y, z, w in some texture mapping code I got from Graphics Gems I. I have many books which talk about this, but none of them in simple plain english. If you have Graphics Gems I, I'm talking about page 678. I'd like to have a perspective matrix that handles different field-of-views and aspect of course. Thank's for your help. -- Yes, of course everything I say is my personal opinion!",comp.graphics 2864,"Wow, this guy seems to be out to prove something to his old team, Boston. Which Sweeney you ask...well, of course Bob Sweeney, the one that Boston let Buffalo get a hold of (they still have 2 Sweeneys which makes things slightly confusing). Game winner in OT in game 1, and another BIG goal (seconds after Fuhr made 3 point blank saves -> this is why Grant has 5 rings!!!) to put Buffalo ahead in the 3rd. Yes, Neely countered a minute later, but hadn't this course of Buffalo going ahead after being tied and shutting down another few great scoring opportunities, I think Boston would have notched their first win of the series. Well, the Sabres haven't made it to the end of this series yet, but I certainly feel they've got Boston right were they want them...actually, they've got them in a position that neither Buffalo nor Boston felt that would come about. One more astronomical game by Fuhr, a few more heroics by the rest of the team (this is a team sport afterall) and I think Borque, Neely, Jouneau (sp?), and Company are gonna be swinging a new stick (Weather is perfect for golf season) real soon. I'm not gonna waiger anything on this, because I've seen some really strange things happen in both pro and college hockey. Talking about golf...was that a hockey swing, golf swing or baseball swing that Hawerchuck used in the last shot of the game that Khmylev deflected in for the BIG ONE? The whole OT (all 1 minute of it!) was a tesiment to Buffalo's ability to really be persistent and grind it out in the end (something they weren't necessarily in the regular season). The Sabres pushed hard and forced Borque to blatently take down Bodger in the opening seconds. I don't normally like penalties being called in such ultra-critical points, but this was BLATENT. Finally, the Sabres won a faceoff (they weren't that hot in this dept the rest of the game) when LaFontaine scooped at the puck 3 times. When Hawerchuck took his shot (quite a boomer, but Blue stopped this one) he took a few steps over to get his own rebound and slapped at it again, without setting it up. I didn't realize it went in until the announcer started screaming, ""They score, THEY SCORE!!!"". The best was seeing LaFontaine jumping up and down, skating a little bit, jumping some more, and then skating over to Brad May who he jumped on.",rec.sport.hockey 2865," Someone on the minor league mailing list probably does. I do, but I don't have time to type the whole thing in (I don't mind looking up specific date ranges or individual games when I can, but there are limits). Besides, this stuff is EASY to find. Baseball America puts out a book called the Directory. It's $10(US). Has every team's data and schedule in it. If I WERE to type in the whole scheudle, I'd just be spending a lot of time infringing on their copyright. Folks who are interested in the minors should check out my minor league list (see the signature), and folks who are tracking down team schedules should chec out the BA Directory. You can order it from 800-845-2726. I find it indispenable. ",rec.sport.baseball 2866,"i need to know about the market for cellular antenna technology today... who are the main companies in the market.. how much are they selling them for? who are the contact people? what are the specs? I will mail oyou our reserach so far if youcan help us!! ",sci.electronics 2867," Actually, the 295 is for the 33 MHz PowerCard, not the Universal Powercache. The 33 MHz Universal Powercache with FPU and adaptor can be had for about $500 (still not a bad deal). I believe the Powercard is one generation older than the Universal Powercache, and the one primary difference is that the Powercard is machine specific while the Powercache can fit into many Macs with the proper adaptor. Both cards are 68030 based. I'm not sure if the hardware or software with the Powercard is otherwise different from the Powercache (perhaps someone could enlighten me?). I would also add that I called River Computer the other night and these Powercards were going very fast.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2868," TriQuint (Beaverton, Oregon), has been selling an 8 bit, 1 GHz D to A for several years. I have used it and it works well, faster settling time and smaller glitch area than any video d DACs I have seen. Also, they have been developing a more precise version that may be for sale now - it's somewhere in the 10 to 12 bit area at 1 GHz. ",sci.electronics 2869,"Could someone please tell me if the 486SLC and 486SLC2 processors IBM is putting in their Thinkpad 700's and other PC's is a REAL 486 with a math coprocessor or if it is really some Kludge that should not be called a 486 at all? Thanks, Eric",sci.electronics 2870,"Re: serious discussion about drugs vs. ""Where can I get a good bong, man?""",None 2871,"Tuesday's game of Beloved Yakult Swallows (At Jingu, 36,000) Hanshin Tigers 001 000 100 |2 Beloved Yakult 050 020 00x |7 W - Ito (1-0). L - Nakagomi (0-1). HR - Yakult, Arai 1st. ------------------------------------------------------------ CENTRAL LEAGUE STANDING ======================== W L T Pct. GB Hiroshima Carp 7 1 0 .875 -- Chunichi Dragons 6 3 0 .667 1.5 Hanshin Tigers 5 4 0 .667 2.5 Hated Giants 4 4 0 .500 3.0 Beloved Swallows 3 6 0 .333 4.5 Yokohama BayStars 1 8 0 .111 6.5 --------------------------------------------------------------- --",rec.sport.baseball 2872,"Friend's unpleasant experience uring CT scan deleted I'd suggest writing a detailed letter about the incident to the hospital administrator. Specify the date and time. If possible the names of the technicians. Send a copy to the clinician under whose care your friend was admitted. I say this because, though your friend has no argument with the doctor, I have found that administrators sometimes ignore complaints until the patient becomes litigious. Clinicians may not have been informed of the complaint and are very surprised to find themselves named in a suit. If there is no response within a week send a follow up letter. Attach a photocopy of the original letter. Do this weekly until you do get a response. CAT scans are non-invasive but they can be very scary. The scanner can be a bad place for the claustrophobic. There was an interesting study in the BMJ, about 10 years ago, which found that around 10% of people who had CAT scans found it so unpleasant that they would never have another. This compares with 15% who said the same about a lumbar puncture. ",sci.med 2873," Oh, yes he did. You may not agree with his premises, and what he proved may not apply to ""reality"" (if such a thing exists), but he certainly proved something. Got it in one. Similarly, a moral relativist will not judge one moral system to be better than another in every possible circumstance. This does not, however, preclude him from judging one moral system to be better than another in a specific set of circumstances. Nor does it preclude a set of moral relativists from collectively judging a moral system, from some set of circumstances which they all agree they are in. Eh? Could you explain this? Which ""that statement"" are you talking about? I still don't quite see what you're trying to say. I assume by ""values"" you mean moral values, yes? In which case, what do you mean by ""real""? What is a ""real"" moral value, as opposed to an unreal one? Sorry, but in what way is it an infinite regress? It looks extremely finite to me. Sorry, but that's not so. I can provide a justification for asserting that the moral system of the terrorist is inferior to that of the man of peace. I just can't provide a justification which works in all possible circumstances. Similarly, I can provide a justification for asserting that bullets move faster than snails. That justification won't hold in all possible frames of reference, but it will hold in almost all the frames of reference I am ever likely to be in. I don't think I agree with this. My saying it *does* make it so *from my point of view* and according to *my premises*, unless the argument is invalid. It may indeed not make it so from your point of view, but I never claimed that it did. In fact, I don't even claim that you exist enough to have a point of view. ",talk.religion.misc 2874,"I have a Standard Computer 486DX2/66mhz EISA Tower with 16MB RAM, a Quantum 240MB Hard Drive, 1.2 and 1.44 MB floppies and a Colorado 250MB tape drive. I also have a Sound Blaster Pro and a 3COM Ethernet card (3C507) installed. The machine is completely stable in non-Turbo mode. In Turbo mode, Windows for Workgroups crashes or won't come up at all. If Windows does come up, I get General Protection Faults and Divide by Zero System Errors. Is there a problem with memory keeping up with the speed of the CPU o n these machines? I have tried to reach Standard Computers, but their phones have been disconnected. Does anyone know what happened to this company? YAMOHS- Yet Another Mail Order Horror Story!",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2875,"I'd appreciate any help anyone could give me on these two questions: The Brady Bill was in the news throughout 1992 but what actually happened to it in Congress? Did Bush veto it? If so, when? Also, the state of Virginia, I believe, just passed a gun control bill on Febrauary 25 of this year. I think it limits gun purchases to one a month - is this correct? What was the bill number?",talk.politics.guns 2876," I can't answer all our questions in detail, but I can take a stab at them. The form the operations that compute R1, R2, and R3 is, of course, the famous ``triple encryption'' suggested for use with DES. It's much stronger than a single encryption, and has an effective key length of 160 bits. For reasons that were discussed when DES was first standardized, a simple double encryption would not have the same strength. Triple encryption has been used by IBM since more or less the beginning to encrypt other keys. It's recommended for anything of very high value. And I think we can agree that the R_i and S_i fit that description. Why n_1, n_2, and n_3? Well, you need different plaintext values. I have no idea if they'll be disclosed or not. At a guess, they're constructed so that they differ in as many bit positions as possible. A goo cryptosystem will scramble things a lot with even a 1-bit change -- but the values of N in a series will have fairly similar bit patterns, and there might, conceivably, be a weakness. So the n_i values are -- and I'm guessing -- chosen to increase the Hamming distance. In any event, I'm quite convinced that one cannot go back to the S_i from the U_i, let alone U. (Observe: if the NSA has U, they don't need to find S_i. But even if they do, they can't get U_1 and U_2. In theory, they should never even see those values, even with a warrant.) The real question, I think, is why use this scheme at all, as opposed to a hardware random number generator. My answer is that this is *much* more verifiable. Look -- suppose that NSA, NIST, the ACLU, the EFF, and the NRA combined to build a *really* good random number generator, and that it passed every test you could think of. When you come back next week to program some more chips, does it still work that well? Have any components changed in value? Have the components been changed out from under you? Does it still work well the in the presence of a focused microwave beam that tends to bias it towards selecting 1 bits? Yes, you can run detailed statistical tests on it again, but that's hard. Consider, on the other hand, a software solution. You bring your own floppies with you, you can run cryptographic checksums, etc. It's a lot easier to verify that the software is unchanged, in other words. (Yes, I can think of ways to cheat software, too. I think that they're a lot harder.) There are three issues with Clipper. The first is whether or not the architecture of the whole scheme is capable of working. My answer, with one significant exception, is yes. I really do think that NSA and NIST have designed this scheme about as well as can be, assuming that their real objectives are as stated: to permit wiretapping, under certain carefully-controlled circumstances, with a minimum risk of abuse. (The exception is that U exists outside of the chip, on a programming diskette. That's seriously wrong. U_1 and U_2 should be loaded onto the chip separately.) To those who disagree (and I don't claim my answer is obvious, though I found my own reasoning sufficiently persuasive that I was forced to rewrite the Conclusions section of my technical analysis paper -- I had originally blasted the scheme), I issue this invitation: assume that you were charged with implementing such a system, with complete regard for civil rights and due process. What would you do differently? In answering this question, please accept NSA's fundamental assumptions: that both strong cryptography against outsiders, and the ability to wiretap *some* domestic users, is necessary. (If you feel it necessary to challenge those assumptions, do it in the context of the last issue I present below. Right here, I'm discussing *just* the technical aspects. And no, I don't by any means claim that just because something can be done, it should be.) The second issue is whether or not this whole architecture is actually going to be used. Just because Clipper chips are made this way doesn't mean that that's the only way they'll be made. Maybe the NSA will substitute its own chips between the programming facility and the shipping dock. And they'll generate bogus warrant requests, so that the escrow agents don't wonder why they've never called. (``Sorry, guys; all them terrorists and drug dealers and pedophiles seem to have bought triple-DES phones instead. Who'd 'a' thunk it?'') I have no answer to this question, and at the moment, I don't see a way of answering it. Those concerns are part of my reasoning in my answer to the final question, below. The third, and most serious issue, is whether or not Clipper is a good idea even if carried out strictly according to the letter of the law. I think that the answer is no, but it's not a no-brainer. I'm a civil libertarian, not a libertarian, for reasons that I explained at great length on the net in the Elder Days, and that I don't have the energy to repeat now. But that means that I'm willing to accept that some laws are necessary, so long as they respect the essential rights of individuals. The government already has the ability and -- in our system -- the right to issue search warrants, and while that power has certainly been abused, it's also been used quite properly and fairly in other cases. Is key escrow sufficiently different? I think so -- but again, it's not an easy question for me. (It is easy for libertarians to answer, of course, since Clipper is completely alien to much of the rest of their (oft-admirable) philosophy. And it's also easy for those who give their unreserved trust to government, a group I'm much more distant from.) ",sci.crypt 2877," big Capacitor :-) Real Big capacitor.",None 2878," From a parallel thread. Much about definitions of bombs, etc. deleted. [...] Mathew, I agree. This, it seems, is the crux of your whole position, isn't it? That the US shouldn't have supported Hussein and sold him arms to fight Iran? I agree. And I agree in ruthlessly hunting down those who did or do. But we *did* sell arms to Hussein, and it's a done deal. Now he invades Kuwait. So do we just sit back and say, ""Well, we sold him all those arms, I suppose he just wants to use them now. Too bad for Kuwait."" No, unfortunately, sitting back and ""letting things be"" is not the way to correct a former mistake. Destroying Hussein's military potential as we did was the right move. But I agree with your statement, Reagan and Bush made a grave error in judgment to sell arms to Hussein. So it's really not the Gulf War you abhor so much, it was the U.S.'s and the West's shortsightedness in selling arms to Hussein which ultimately made the war inevitable, right? If so, then I agree. [more deleted.] Regards,",alt.atheism 2879," Good for you. I am convinced that someone should start a boycott against GEICO. Any takers? ",rec.autos 2880," Yes -- great chapter. Elizabeth Friedman (sp?) comes shining through. However, the chapter also notes that these rum runners invented their own crypto -- hired ex-military folks, in fact. (How's that for a revolving door?) Now, given that today's rum runners (coke runners, actually) have even more money than yesterday's, it's reasonable to expect them to have even better cryptography. I doubt they have a chip foundry of their own yet, but .... So, my question of the FBI/NIST/NSA is: ""How are you going to make the rum runners use the Clipper Chip?"" Answer: you're not. Question: OK -- in that case, your justification for taking away our rights has evaporated. How do you justify our loss of rights if you can't use the drug dealers and terrorists? ",sci.crypt 2881," The prob is that you're wrong. Newbie here. I just got off the phone with a salesman that showed by newbieness. If I remember what he said correctly: GSXR250 - no such thing CBR250 - NO. Its CB250. FZR250 - no such thing. Most sport bikes don't have 250 versions. ",rec.motorcycles 2882," But the NSA will not be doing any wiretapping. The actual wiretapping will, presumably, be conducted by the FBI. Of course, the capability for this was provided by the NSA, but I think that they are still within the limitations of their charter. I realize this is a fine point, and some may differ, but this is my opinion. Although I don't care for Clipper and won't support or use it, I don't see the NSA as having overstepped their bounds. David R. Conrad ""No his mind is not for rent/To any god or government""",sci.crypt 2883,"Has anybody built an X11R5 server that can run on a Personal Decstation 5000 line with ultrix 4.3? The only catch is that being ""personal"" machines, we did not install DECnet onto them, which the Xdec server on gatekeeper requires.",comp.windows.x 2884," Look for information about 567 tone decoder chip. It is an easy to use chip for detecting sound of certain frequency. You need only one 567 and some other componets for each led you want to control. The chip can take the voltage levels, which the casette gives. Radio Shack Archer Semiconductor Reference Guide gives good information how to use that chip. It should be simplest way to go. The chip costs something like 1-2 $.",sci.electronics 2885,"Dana H. Myers, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 19:51:16 GMT wibbled: : > : >>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each : > ^^^^^^ : > excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these. : Squids are everybody but me and you. Chris Behanna is especially a squid. : * Dana H. Myers I'm a BMW Squid. Two of my arms are longer, too. -- Nick (the BS Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Longer Arms M'Lud.",rec.motorcycles 2886," writes... I hesitate to make assumptions about other people when they write, but neither of you two *sound* as though you have kids, and you may not have spouses either. Consider a night game starting at 7:05 PM EST. (It was 7:35 last year, but Cleveland showed what I thought was good sense in pushing it back.) I go, and I'm into it until 11 PM minimum. Extra innings could put me well past midnight. Even without extra innings, if the score is beyond 2-1 I can't see my family that night at all. If the next day is a workday, I may have to bag that as well. Further, the later the game goes, the colder it gets on the shore of Lake Erie. All that stuff enters into my consideration of even going to a game. If you say you don't care about whether the game is sped up, IMPO you are saying you don't care where the time goes, and that the game is for people who don't have families and don't have to get up for work the next day. RG",rec.sport.baseball 2887,"Brand NEW 1.2GB Seagate SCSI hard drive 15ms access time, Full Height 5-1/4"" size Only $1100 +s/h.",misc.forsale 2888,"-*---- Sci.med removed from followups. (And I do not read any of the other newsgroups.) -*---- That's fine. These words have multiple meanings. As a self-proclaimed atheist, I believe that *some* conceptions of god are inconsistent or in conflict with fact, and I lack belief in other conceptions of god merely because there is no reason for me to believe in these. I usually use the word agnostic to mean someone who believes that the existence of a god is unknown inherently unknowable. Note that this is a positive belief that is quite different from not believing in a god; I do not believe in a god, but I also do not believe the agnostic claim.",sci.med 2889," [Useless road design, speed rate discussion deleted.] ",rec.autos 2890," ""savior"" that their Tolerent, aren't we? Their's was hardly the first faith/sect/cult to espouse this type of belief. and I keep hearing this, and while I'll agree that he ""should"" have come out (legally, that was his best option), he didn't; and as far as I know, there is no legal provision for ""we're tired of this shit, lets just kick some ass..."" So I have a question for you; here goes. I come up to you and point a gun at you, saying ""I'm going to count to ten, if you aren't standing on your head by then, I'll kill you."" You believe that standing on your head is the road to damnation, so you don't do it. ""1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9..10...BANG!"" You are now dead - Is it my fault for shooting you, or you're fault for being shot? Koresh wouldn't stand on his head. ",talk.politics.guns 2891," This is a whole different situation. If aliens were able to get here prior to us being able to get there, one might conclude that they would be more advanced and therefore ""more intelegent"" that we are. However if we get somewhere where there is life, chances are we wont be able to communicate with them. So we will have no clue as to weather they are ""intelegent"" or not. That's a good point, I hadn't thought of it that way. My question however was more along the lines of... Every year the US spends millions of tax dollars and giving tax breaks to individuals and companies who feed the poor of foreign countries while thousands of our own people sleep on the streets at night. Would we give to the economicly dissadvantaged on another planet if we hadn't resolved these issues on our own? But... Your comment brings up another good question. Over the years we have decided that certain cultures need improvements. The native americans is a good example. Prior to our attempt to civilize them, the native american culture had very little crime, no homelessnes, no poverty. Then the europeans came along and now they have those and more. If we encounter life elsewhere, do we tell them they have to live in houses, farm the land and go to church on sunday? -- Have a day,",sci.space 2892," That is an exceptionally cool idea. Would it work? How strong a field is needed? Anyone? ",sci.electronics 2893,"Well, the Opel deal fell through... Now i'm looking at a Datsun 240Z for sale in our local buy&sell. Any previous owners have any experience with these cars? Besides looking for rust,good compression,low miles, and all the other usual car things one looks for, is there anything special about these cars that I should watch out for? How about things like handling,performance,mileage,etc. These cars look hot, to my eyes at least, and bear more than a passing resemblance to the Aston Martin DB4 Zagato(sp?), which has to be one of the most beatiful cars ever made.",rec.autos 2894,"Hello there. The other day I was feeling a tad nostalgic and thought about constructing an old-time crytal radio set. I figured on substituting a modern germanium diode for the crystal, and winding the antenna coil, etc., myself. The only problem I seem to have is in locating a source for a tuning capacitor -- you know, the old meshed-plate variable condensers which used to be the mainstay for tuning circuits. Well these things seem to be all but extinct in their original catalog habitats. Trimmer capacitors are relatively abundant, but are not really suitable for this application. So, can anyone point me to a supplier of tuning capacitors in the 0--360 pF range? Manythanks. -- ",sci.electronics 2895,"Hey, I want my posts forwarded too. I can't get my sysadmin to pay any attention to me. ",talk.politics.mideast 2896,"A very good R&B group came out in 1988 called the Pasadenas. I bought their cassette single and fell in love with it. I've tried to find their LP or CD but have had no success whatsoever. Just wondering whether anyone out in Netland had heard of them.... their song that hit the charts was called Tribute... thanks! Jay....",misc.forsale 2897,"Does anybody know about a converter from CGM to PCX or anything else more common. I've spent some time searching the archives with no luck. Could you email me your responses. Thx in advance, Mike G. ",comp.graphics 2898,"We are adding a Motif wrapper to a family of data display programs. These programs are each written as a 'main loop' with these steps: - use semop to check a semaphore and if true access new data otherwise block (new data comes quite often) - use msgop to check for messages and if true read them otherwise continue (messages are user commands and not often) - update the display according to latest data and messages. We typically have several of these running in windows, plus a data producer serving some device and setting the flag. Everyone blocking makes sure the device server gets to run. Xt and Xm also have a 'main loop' model that we must fit into. O'Reilly Vol IV Ch 9 discusses adding a file-watcher and also how to add workprocs that are run during idle time. We can 'open-up' our existing main loop and call it as a workproc. The problem is our blocking until new data is no longer appropriate. Neither is letting the program free-run because others are hurt. The unix select call lets you block until any of several i/o are ready. We want that for the X main loop except not file i/o. Any suggestions or examples most welcome! We run SGI Personal Iris and Indigo systems.",comp.windows.x 2899," Yes, it looks like very good indeed. Nope. ",None 2900," This is the fifth request to find out about a Cardinals mailing list. It looks like one does not exist. If anyone has the initiative, creating a list might be a worthwhile activity.",rec.sport.baseball 2901,": The willingness of true believers : to die for their belief, be it in Jesus or Jim Jones, is : well-documented, so martyrdom in and of itself says little. It does say something about the depth of their belief. Religion has both deluded believers and con men. The difference is often how far they will follow their beliefs. I have no first hand, or even second hand, knowledge of how the original apostles died. If they began a myth in hopes of exploiting it for profit, and followed that myth to the death, that would be inconsistent. Real con men would bail out when it was obvious it would lead to discomfort, pain and death.",alt.atheism 2902," It's the applications that do this. Unfortunately, even the applets that ship with Win31 seem to have this problem (I've seen it in Solitaire, for example). None that I know of. If an application doesn't give back the resources, they are lost and gone forever, pending a restart of Windows. If the applications don't free up the memory (and a lot of them don't), there's bugger all that any other piece of software can do about it. No. This is a problem with the applications, usually. There are books written on this one. In general, just be sure to free up everything that you ask for before you exit. Unfortunately, I understand that VB will *internally* lose resources for you, so there's no way to avoid this entirely. There's little discussion because it's 'inevitable' until MS manages to come up with an OS that will do garbage collection or something on the resource pool. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2903," That's right. Despite claims that someone at Kent State fire a shotgun at the the soldiers, the only projectiles that anyone can prove where sent in the direction of the soldiers were rocks.",talk.politics.guns 2904," Since this is alt.atheism, I hope you don't mind if we strongly disagree... : The fact is God could cause you to believe anything He wants you to. : But think about it for a minute. Would you rather have someone love : you because you made them love you, or because they wanted to : love you. The responsibility is on you to love God and take a step toward : Him. He promises to be there for you, but you have to look for yourself. Indeed, ""knock and it shall be opened to you"". Dan, why didn't this work? I firmly believed in god for 15 years, but I eventually realised I was only deluding myself, fearful to face the truth. Ultimately, the only reason what kept me believing was the fear of hell. The mental states I had sillily attributed to divine forces or devil's attempts to destroy my faith were nothing more than my imagination, and it is easy to achieve the same mental states at will. My faith was just learned fear in a disguise. : Those who doubt this or dispute it have not givin it a sincere effort. God is demanding too much. Dan, what was it I believed in for 15 years? If sincere effort is equivalent to active suspension of disbelief - what it was in my case - I'd rather quit. If god does not help me to keep the faith, I can't go on. Besides, I am concerned with god's morality and mental health. Does she really want us to _believe_ in herself without any help (revelations, guidance, or anything I can feel)? If she has created us, why didn't she make the task any easier? Why are we supposed to love someone who refuses to communicate with us? What is the point of eternal torture for those who can't believe? I love god just as much as she loves me. If she wants to seduce me, she'll know what to do. : Simple logic arguments are folly. If you read the Bible you will see : that Jesus made fools of those who tried to trick him with ""logic"". : Our ability to reason is just a spec of creation. Yet some think it is : the ultimate. If you rely simply on your reason then you will never : know more than you do now. Your argument is of the type ""you'll know once you try"". Yet there are many atheists who have sincerely tried, and believed for many years, but were eventually honest enough to admit that they had lived in a virtual reality. What else but reason I can use? I don't have the spiritual means Christians often refer to. My conscience disagrees with the Bible. I don't even believe I have a soul. I am fully dependent on my body - indeed, I _am_ this body. When it goes up with flames, so does my identity. God can entertain herself with copies of me if she wants. : To learn you must accept that which you don't know. What does this mean? To learn you must accept that you don't know something, right-o. But to learn you must _accept_ something I don't know, why? This is not the way I prefer to learn. It is unwise to merely swallow everything you read. Suppose I write a book telling how the Great Invisible Pink Unicorn (tm) has helped me in my daily problems, would you accept this, since you can't know whether it is true or not? Note that the GIPU is also omnipotent, omnipresent, and loves just about everyone. Besides, He (and She) is guiding every writer on this planet, you and me, and not just some people who write legendary stories 2000 years ago. Your god is just one aspect of His and Her Presence. Petri ",alt.atheism 2905," No, they do not work well. My doctor started using one recently, and I thought the concept was so amazing that I bought one too. The thing works by reading the infrared emissions from the ear drum. The ear drum is hotter than the ear canal walls, so you have to point the thing very carefully. This means tugging on the top of the ear to straighten out the ear canal, then inserting the thing snugly, then pushing a button. Unfortunately, there are many things that can go wrong. It is almost impossible to aim the thing correctly when you do it on yourself. I get readings which differ from each other by up to 2 degrees, and may differ from an oral thermometer by up to 2 degrees. I talked to one of the nurses in my doctor's office recently about this, and she said she didn't like them either, for same reasons. She did give me some instruction on how to tug on my ear, and what correct insertion feels like, but she said she thought it was impossible to do correctly on one's self. She also said that she and other nurses had complained to the company about inaccurate readings, and that someone from the company had told them to take great care to clean the infrared window at the end of the probe with alcohol from time to time. She demonstrated this prior to reading my temperature, and managed to get a reading within 0.5 degree of the oral temperature I took at home before driving to the Dr's office. I have also noticed tha some nurses click the button, then remove the probe immediately. This causes wrong readings. In my experience, you have to leave the probe in a good 1 to 2 seconds after clicking the button to get a good measurement. The nurse I talked with agreed. I suspect that many people don't realize this, and therefore get bad readings for yet another reason.",sci.med 2906,"nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes... The rest of the story seems to be that the agreement for the broadcast was for prime-time, and that Koresh never even heard it played. Wasn't even tuned in to the radio when it aired -- so no reason to come out. If later they had given him a copy of the grossly twisted newswire transcript -- I'm certain Koresh would think he was at the mercy of evil itself. As to coming out after Passover, wasn't that just one of the lawyer's speculations Peter?",talk.religion.misc 2907," Is this ""White House e-mail address"" really working yet? Someone posted such an address on CompuServe a few months ago, but apparently the White House wasn't really set up to recive hundreds (thousands?) of messages a day to that account and didn't want people to use it yet. So is this MCI address something the people at the White House actually read, or is it another Craig Shergold story? I don't know -- I'm just asking. Unless the people at the White House print and distribute this mail every day, you may have better luck printing out a letter (on paper, that flat white stuff all over my desk) and Snail-Mailing it to the White House. I imagine writing to your local representative and senator wouldn't hurt either. Heck, why not write to Al Gore while you're at it? greg ",sci.crypt 2908," As I understand, that number is deceptive. The reason is that the money cost was in non-oil sales for the most part. Iraq still is not allowed to sell oil, or do many of the things under the initial sanctions, but is still surviving. Of the ~93% (I have heard figures closer to 80%, but I won't quibble your figures), most was dropped in carpet bombing of regions only occupied by enemy troops. A B-52 drops a lot of bombs in one sortie, and we used them around the clock. Not to mention other smaller aircraft using dumb munitions. 2. The Patriot uses a proximity fuse. The adjusted figures for number of Patriot kills of SS-1 derivitives is ~60-70%. That figure came not from some fluke in the Pentagon, but a someone working with such stuff in another part of DoD. 3. The statement precision bombing was the norm, is true around areas where civilians were close to the target. We dropped by tonnage very little bombs in populated regions, explaining the figures. This figure, is far below all the other figures I have seen. If it is indeed accurate, then how do you explain the discrepancy between that figure, and other figures from international organizations? Most figures I have seen place the hit ratio close to 70%, which is still far higher than your 35%. Or does your figure say a bomb missed if the plane took off with it, and the bomb never hit the target, regardless of whether or not the bomb was dropped? Such methods are used all the time to lie with statistics. I have _never_ seen any source that was claiming such a figure. Please post the source so its reliability can be judged. ",alt.atheism 2909," Hey! What's this? We agree! No platoon advantage (Sabo vs. Samuel). Both players have a reputation of being excellent fastball hitters, and both have a reputation of being fooled too often with slow curves and change ups. Sabo has more power, and a little bit of a better batting eye. Samuel is noted as an agressive free-swinger. Sabo has more homerun power. Both players started the game hitting below .200. There may have been some game considerations that might have prompted Perez to want to reserve Samuel for use later. But the game *was* on the line, and Samuel never did get in. Given all of this, I don't see a lot to suggest pinch-hitting, nor do I see anything to suggest no pinch-hitting. There is, of course, the clutch-hitting information. But if that's useless... Then again. If it's not... ",rec.sport.baseball 2910," I'd hardly call the current Pluto Fast Flyby proposal ""too large"" (if the new technology insertion currently taking place succeeds, the S/C mass will drop to 110-120 kg) or ""too expensive"" ($400 million [FY92 $] for two S/C), especially when compared to other NASA planetary missions. This proposal would work only if your various targets are relaively nearby and the require minimal delta-v from the mother ship. A mission to the main belt might be one possibility for such a mission -- I recall a paper being presented at an AIAA deisgn conference in Irvine in February where such a proposed spacecraft was designed by some grad students at UT Austin (I think). Four mini-spacecraft would detatch from the main S/C, each visiting a seperate asteroid and then returning to the main S/C. After analysis, the main S/C would then be targeted for the most ""interesting"" object for further study. Now, if I could only *find* that paper... =) ",sci.space 2911,": >|> >(2) Having Bonds batting behind Williams means that Matt will get : >|> > more good pitches to hit. This is important since he struggles : >|> > so much with breaking balls. Opposing pitchers don't want to : >|> > walk Williams to get to Bonds. : > : >I have to wonder if this ""good hitter behind you"" argument is really valid. : >Has anyone done a study on this. : : You want a study? Look at Matt Williams the year after : Mitchell was gone. Look no further. Not a scientific : study, but it'll show the truth for Matt. Besides, Bonds : _wants_ to bat 5th I had thought that Williams batted after Mitchell. Wouldn't that show that Williams does better at 5th rather than 4th? The point is moot, though, becase Clark pretty much demands to be 3rd and, like you point out, Bonds does like to bat 5th. The only person left to bat 4th is Williams.",rec.sport.baseball 2912,"It's about time the boys got it together!! They were outworked and outplayed by the Wings in the first two games. But Burns must have kicked their behinds cause they sure came out in full gear (or is that high gear?) in game 3. Except for a 10-15 minute stretch in the 2nd period, they outskated and outworked the Wings. Please don't flame this statement 'cos you know it's true! I have to admit that goaltending was the key. Potvin kept the Leafs ahead during the sleepy stretch the Leafs went through in the 2nd. He also kept the rebounds to a minimum, something that cost Cheveldae 2 goals. Clark even looked like he had stopped moping (first star!), although I still don't know why he was so flat in games 1 and 2. If the Leafs play the same style and can keep the pace they had in game 3, they may actually have a chance of winning this series (a slim chance, but a chance....I'm no RM.....where is he anyways? haha).",rec.sport.hockey 2913,"It is NOT a homeopathic remedy. Improvement began in a few months. I am allergic to bermuda grass and if anyone nearby was mowing a lawn my nose would start to run. Now I can walk right by and it doesn't bother me at all. The same success with desert ragweed.",sci.med 2914,"This is not flame, or abuse, nor do I want to start another thread (this is, after all, supposed to be about IMAGE PROCESSING).",sci.med 2915,"I have often thought about, if its possible to have a powerfull laser on earth, to light at the Moon, and show lasergraphics at the surface so clearly that you can see it with your eyes when there is a new moon. How about a Coca Cola logo at the moon, easy way to target billions of people. Do you know if its possible? ",sci.space 2916,"[I write:] #>>> Imagine that 1000000 Alterian dollars turn up in your bank account every #>>> month. Suppose further that this money is being paid to you by (a) your #>>> big-hearted Alterian benefactor, or (b) a bug in an Alterian ATM. Let's #>>> suppose that this is a true dichotomy, so P(a)+P(b)=1. Trouble is, Alterius #>>> is in a different universe, so that no observations of Alterius are possible #>>> (except for the banks - you couldn't possibly afford it ;-) #>>> #>>> Now let's examine the case for (a). There is no evidence whatsoever that #>>> there is any such thing as a big-hearted Alterian benefactor. However, #>>> P(exists(b-h A b)) + P(not(exists(b-h A b)) = 1. On the grounds that #>>> lack_of_evidence_for is evidence_against when we have a partition like #>>> that, we dismiss hypothesis (a). #>>> #>>> Turning, therefore, to (b), we also find no evidence to support that #>>> hypothesis. On the same grounds as before, we dismiss hypothesis (b). #>>> #>>> The problem with this is that we have dismissed *all* of the possible #>>> hypotheses, and even though we know by construction that the money #>>> arrives every month, we have proven that it can't, because we #>>> have dismissed all of its potential causes. # #>> That's an *extremely* poor argument, and here's why. #>> #>> Premise 1: ""...this money is being paid to you by [either] (a) your big- #>> hearted Alterian benefactor, or (b) a bug in an Alterian ATM"". #>> #>> Thus each monthly appearance of the bucks, should it happen, is an #>> observation on Alterius, and by construction, is evidence for the #>> existence of [either the benefactor or the bug in the ATM]. #>> #>> Premise 2: no observations on Alterius are possible. # #> #> (except for the banks - you couldn't possibly afford it ;-) #> #> You forgot to include this. My premise is actually: #> #> Premise 2: The cardinality of the set of possible observations on Alterius #> is one. # #>> This is clearly contradictory to the first. # #> Not if you state it properly. # #>> Trouble is, on the basis of premise 2, you say that there can be no evidence #>> of [either the benefactor or the bug], but the first premise leads to the #>> conclusion that the appearance of the bucks, should it happen, is evidence #>> for the existence of [either the benefactor or the bug]. #>> #>> Voila, a screaming contradiction. # #[with my highlights - SC] #> But in a strawman argument. There is only evidence for OneOf(Benefactor,Bug). #> No observation to distinguish Benefactor from Bug is possible. That is #> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #> not evidence for Bug, and neither is it evidence for Benefactor. Nor #> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #> is true to say that this hypothetical universe appears exactly as #> if there were no Benefactor/Bug (two statements, both would be false). # #This is still contradictory. It reduces to # # (1): Alterian dosh arriving in my account is due to [benefactor or bug]. # # (2): this is not evidence for [benefactor], neither is it evidence for # [bug] (meaning that it doesn't lend more weight to one than to the # other) # # (3): therefore no evidence can exist for [benefactor] and no evidence # can exist for [bug]. # #But (3) relies on a shift in meaning from (2). When you say (paraphrased) #in (2) that this is not ""evidence for [benefactor]"", for example, what you #mean is that it's no *more* evidence for [benefactor] than it is for [bug]. Yes, that's what I mean. #In (3), however, you've shifted the meaning of ""evidence for [benefactor]"" #so that it now means `absolute' ""evidence for [benefactor]"" rather than #`relative' ""evidence for [benefactor]"" w.r.t. [bug]. Not really, I meant evidence that would tend to one over the other. I think this is just a communications problem. What I am trying to say, in my clumsy way, is that while I buy your theory as far as it relates to theism making predictions (prayer, your 'Rapture' example), I don't buy your use of Occam's razor in all cases where A=0. In my example, one couldn't dismiss [benefactor] or [bug] on the grounds of simplicity - one of these is necessary to explain the dosh. I brought up the 'one-by-one dismissal' process to show that it would be wrong to do so. From what you're saying in this post, it seems you agree, and we're talking at cross-purposes. #(3) is still in contradiction to (1). # #Some sums may help. With B = benefactor, b = bug, d = dosh arrives in account: # # (1) implies P(B+b | d) = 1 # #Assuming that P(Bb | d) = 0, so it's either the benefactor *or* a bug #which is responsible if the bucks arrive, but not both, then # # P(B+b | d) = P(B | d) + P(b | d) # #so # # P(B | d) + P(b | d) = 1 # #but (3) implies that # # P(B | d) = 0 and P(b | d) = 0. No, this isn't what I meant. P(B | d) = 0.5 and P(b | d) = 0.5, with necessarily no new observation (we've already seen the dosh) to change those estimates. I was trying to say (again, in my clumsy way) that it would be _wrong_ to assign 0 probability to either of these. And that's precisely what use of the Razor does in the case of gods - gods are one class of hypothesis (there are many others) belonging to a set of hypotheses _one_of_which_ is necessary to explain something which otherwise would _not_ be satisfactorily explained. It can be thrown out or retained on grounds of non-rational preference, not of science or statistics. Alternatively, one could chuck out or retain the lot, on the grounds that the answer can't be known, or that the notional probability estimates are effectively useless, being equal (agnosticism/weak atheism). #> As they do when the set M is filled by ""the universe is caused by x"", #> where x is gods, pink unicorns, nothing, etc. - and no observation #> tends to one conclusion over the other. # #Exactly the point I was making, I think. So we don't ""throw out"" any of #these, contrary to your assertion above that we do. Some people do, Simon, and they think they are doing excellent science. My sole point was that they aren't. #>> Only observations which directly contradict the hypothesis H[i] (i.e. x #>> where P(x | H[i]) = 0) can cause P(H[i]) to go to zero after a finite #>> number of observations. Only in this case do we get to throw any of the #>> hypotheses out. # #> Exactly my point, though I may have been unclear. # #You said the diametric opposite, which I guess is the source of my confusion. I was merely trying to illustrate the incorrectness of doing so. #> What I'm trying to say is that while you are correct to say that absence of #> evidence can sometimes be evidence of absence, this does not hold true for #> all, or perhaps any, versions of theism - and it isn't true that those for #> which it does not hold can be discarded using the razor. # #On the contrary, those for which it does not hold are *exactly* those which #can be discarded using the Razor. See my post on the other branch of this #thread. Then you seem to be guilty of the contradiction you accuse me of. If the razor holds for gods, then it holds for all like hypotheses. Which means that you're assigning P(x | H[i]) =0 for all i, though we've already established that it's not correct to do so when SUM(P(x|H[i]))=1 over all i. #> Simply put, anyone who claims to have a viable proof of the existence or #> non-existence of gods, whether inductive or no, is at best mistaken, and #> at worst barking mad. # #Luckily I make no such claim, and have specifically said as much on numerous #occasions. You wouldn't be constructing a strawman here, would you Frank? #Although that doesn't, of course, rule out my being barking mad in any case #(I could be barking mad in my spare time, with apologies to Cleese et al). # #But I think you miss the point once again. When I say that something is #""evidence against"" an hypothesis, that doesn't imply that observation of #the said something necessarily *falsifies* the hypothesis, reducing the #estimate of P(H | data) to zero. If it *reduces* this quantity, it's still #evidence against H. No, I got that. I'm talking about the case when A=0. You're clearly correct when A!=0. And I'm not constructing a strawman (though it's certainly possible that I've misunderstood what you're saying). However, by any standards, a system that says when A=0, gods are highly unlikely, and when A!=0 gods can be dismissed using the Razor, is a system purporting to be an inductive proof that gods either don't exist, or are unnecessary to explain any or all phenomena. In my experience, systems such as this (including those which purport to prove that gods exist) always contain a fallacy upon close examination. If that's not what you're saying, then please put me straight.",alt.atheism 2917,"[Stuff deleted] Would Mr. Hart please explain how one could get every nation on earth and every corporation to agree that astronomers own the night sky without `coercion'. Remember that not every nation follows the English common law. In most countries, for most of history, it was probably true that the rulers `owned' everything not explicitly owned by individuals. Even in North America, where by the principle enunciated, the aboriginal inhabitants should have owned everything, when new arrivals wanted to use land and resources, they just took it over. In case Mr. Hart hasn't noticed, there is currently a brutal war going on in Bosnia about who owns what. Of course, if some friendly super power were to give an international astronomy organization some anti-satelite missiles and also agree to defend it if attacked, such a proposal might work, but it would hardly be non-coercive. Some of us nutty environmentalists think it might make sense first to try to mobilize public opinion against advertising in space and also to use governmental actions (like taxing power, for example) to discourage them. This of course would be too coercive for Mr. Hart.",sci.space 2918," +>The paranoid assertion that the BATF fired first in an unprovoked +>assault assumes that the BATF were on a death wish. Had they +>expected the B-D to be anything other than peacefull citizens who +>would accept a search authorized by a court they would have turned up +>in a tank and broken the door down on day one. The search was a ""no-knock"" warrent. Meaning that what those on the scene see is a bunch of men with guns storming their compound and lobbing grenades at them. The terms of the search warrent are secret and the BATF has yet to even reveal what they were. +>The stupidity was the attempt to serve a warant on the place by +>ludicrously underarmed and unprotected police. They did not serve a warrent, they basically attacked the compound and expected a surrender. They had semiautomatics and concussion grenades that we KNOW about. Look at the death and injury toll inflicted on both sides in the first battle and its difficult to believe that either side had any superiority in weapons. ",talk.politics.misc 2919," Most DOS X servers are terribly slow to use in my experience - and no, I guess performance would be pretty bad. I believe the discussion is valid for an X server on a decent workstation. ",comp.windows.x 2920,"After setting up a very large (>4 pages) table in Word for Windows I asked word to print it to my HP laserjet II -- worked fine at first. After much editing of the table contents (but not structure) output requests now kick the LJ into manual feed mode for the document containing the table. Other documents without tables print correctly. Where should I look and what should I change to get the document with the long table to use the paper drawer rather than kick into manual feed mode? [I believe I've tried all the obvious printer manager changes as well as replacing the hppcl.[lp]00 files with archived versions.] Thanks for any and all help. Peter",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2921,"[obnoxious name-calling deleted] Ok, who wants rm off of here? I say we get his net privleges revoked. Any seconds? ",rec.sport.hockey 2922," IMO, the influence of Stalin, or for that matter, Ayn Rand, invalidates your assumption that theism is the factor to be considered. Gullibility, blind obedience to authority, lack of scepticism, and so on, are all more reliable indicators. And the really dangerous people - the sources of fanaticism - are often none of these things. They are cynical manipulators of the gullible, who know precisely what they are doing. Now, *some* brands of theism, and more precisely *some* theists, do tend to fanaticism, I grant you. To tar all theists with this brush is bigotry, not a reasoned argument - and it reads to me like a warm-up for censorship and restriction of religious freedom. Ever read Animal Farm? Well, there is a glaring paradox here: an argument that reason is useful based on reason would be circular, and argument not based on reason would be irrational. Which is it? The first part of the second statement contains no information, because you don't say what ""the beliefs"" are. If ""the beliefs"" are strong theism and/or strong atheism, then your statement is not in general true. The second part of your sentence is patently false - counterexample: an axiomatic datum does not lend itself to rational analysis, but is assumed to contain reliable information regardless of what process is used to obtain it. I can't agree with this until you are specific - *which* theism? To say that all theism is necessarily antirational requires a proof which I suspect you do not have. I don't understand this. Can you formalise your argument?",alt.atheism 2923," Think for a moment about the technology required to do that. By the time they could make the Earth's sky look like Las Vegas, the people could afford to go backpacking on the Moon. Round trip costs for 500 kg to the Moon would be about the same as 5000 kg in a Low Earth ""advertising"" orbit: Very roughly the same cost as a smallish billboard, therefore. If such ads were to become common place, that would have to be a very low price... The night sky on a Lunar backpacking trip would still be very pristine... There's always been a problem of having to get away from civilization before you can really find ""natural"" scenery. 100 years ago, this usually didn't take a trip of over 5 miles. Today, most people would have to go 100 miles or more. If we ever get to the point where we have billboards on orbit, that essentially means that no place on Earth is still ""wild."" While that may or may not be a good thing, the orbital billboards aren't the problem: They are just a symptom of growing, densely-populated civilization. Banning such ads will not save your view of the night sky, because by the time such ads could become widespread you will probably have trouble finding a place without street lights, where you can _see_ the stars... An ad on a moon of Jupiter would be rather pointless, since you need a telescope to see them. However, I'd love to see them get all the publicity they could from underwritting the ""Coca Cola Io Orbital Mapping Probe."" They already can, to some extent: The IAU allows names derived from sponsors or patrons of scientific research. If Microscum donates money to a university astronomy program, one of the galactic astronomers could easily get a newly discovered galaxy named after them.",sci.space 2924,"Note: the following article is submitted on behalf of someone (Frank daniels) who has difficulty posting to s.r.c, email replies to daniels@math.ufl.edu I am unable to post to the bitnet groups. Here is a capsule history of the Shepherding/Discipleship Movement in the Churches of Christ (i.e. Crossroads/Boston): I could trace the Movement back as far as 1800, and indeed some of its roots go back that far, but these were really ""influences"" on the Movement, and not the actual movement, per se. I will start in c.1920. In that day, there were 'white' churches and 'colored' churches in nearly every area (due to segregation). Modern Pentecostalism was developing as a predominantly 'colored' phenomenon. Here, there was great fanaticism, emphasis on emotional experiences, and belief in a personal guidance and indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Many 'white' Protestant churches were growing into what became known as conservative fundamentalism. By the 1940s, the evangelical movement was in full swing, and many groups were becoming part of it. When the civil rights movement grew stronger (in the 1950's and 1960's), many 'white' church groups began to be influenced by the 'black' churches and by what was going on there. This spread started in the most liberal of groups and spread to the more conservative ones by the late '60's. In 1969, even the Catholic Church was displaying evidence of influence by the other groups...still evident today. The Churches of Christ are (and were) a very conservative Protestant group. When the influence from outside began to reach the CofC in c.1965, it was generally not appreciated. Conservative groups are very strongly resistant to change, and the new movement was VERY different from the CofC status quo. The magazines put out at that time by CofC folks tell the story as it unfolds. New ideas came into the CofC. There was a big push to reach out to college students, young adults, and teens. Some called this the Campus Evangel- ism Movement. Emotions, generally not highly regarded in the CofC at large, played a more important role in the new movement. In some places, people began to speak in tongues (as their Pentecostal predecessors did). This was met with extreme criticism from within the Churches of Christ. In some places, people were fired from their jobs for speaking in tongues or for advocating the ""Holy Spirit Movement"", another name for the new branch. The term ""Underground Church of Christ"" also came into use because these people had to hide their differences (or they might be ostricised). There were several congregations, however, whose leaderships were receptive to the new ideas (at least in part; the tongues-speaking never really caught on). One of these was the 14th Street Church of Christ in Gainesville, FL. Campus Ministry had already been regarded as important at 14th Street, and the new ideas seemed to be very helpful tools for evangelism. They also seemed to put vitality into the church, which many felt had been lacking. In October of 1967, the 14th Street congregation hired Chuck Lucas to be its Campus Minister. By 1970, he would move to being the congregation's (lead) Minister. In the late 60's/early 70's, the congregation worked with many other groups. They held Bible discussions at Daytona Beach during Spring Break. They organized talks in the fraternities on the University of Florida campus. They also worked with UF sports people. In 1972, the congregation ordered a larger building to be constructed. When it was finished, the group moved and changed its name (now no longer appropriate). It became the Crossroads Church of Christ from then on, a name that would become legendary. By this time, Crossroads was basically the only CofC whose programs were fully aligned to the new movement. While they didn't start it, they continued it and were responsible for where it wound up going. By 1975, none of the other Churches of Christ in the area felt that they could cooperate with Crossroads, due to what they recognized as doctrinal problems at Crossroads. Crossroads had begun to heavily emphasize, and later require attendance at all church functions. It was seen as a good thing for each member to have at least one close relationship, a person with whom you would share all of your problems, pray, and get help from. The concept was called Prayer Partners, which later became Discipleship Partners and also later became mandatory. The leadership was assigning prayer partners to people for a while. The book called ""The Master Plan of Evangelism"" was a strong influence on Chuck Lucas. He (and the group) believed that it was every person's duty and life purpose to carry out the great commission. Crossroads was growing in number, and numbers became VERY important (some would say all-important). A person who ""was evangelistic"" was ""spiritual"". Evangelism meant inviting people to Crossroads events; if you did this a lot and some of them converted, then you were ""spiritual"". There were sermons about how if you bought groceries, the cashier and bag boy ought to receive invitations to services. Everyone at your job ought to receive invitations. Since these people needed Jesus, you should be ""aggressive""--don't take 'no' for an answer. If you did not evangelize enough, you came to be called ""lazy"" or ""unspiritual"". By the end of the decade, the Prayer Partner system was integrated into a structure. The Elders and Ministers were on top (like a big pyramid). Then the group leaders, Bible study leaders, and members. Everyone who came in had someone placed over them. It is at this time, 1978-1980, that the bad press about Crossroads began to circulate. The problem with rape on the University of Florida campus was tremendous, but Crossroads was considered a bigger and more immediate problem. There were many complaints about the congregation and its ""pushy"" evangelistic tactics. Crossroads was considering the other Churches of Christ to be ""dead"" churches, which aggravated them; it was aggressively recruiting out of the other church groups (denominations), which aggravated THEM. By this time, Crossroads had grown numerically to the point (1100) where not only did they believe that they would soon need a new building, but also they were sending out ""planting"" [create a new church] and ""reconstructing"" [reorganize an existing church] teams to other cities. By this time, the Crossroads Movement was underway. A group was sent to the 30-member Lexington Church of Christ in Boston, MA. The team was headed up by Kip McKean, who had been converted out of a fraternity by Crossroads (in Gainesville). Kip held a still stronger view of church authority, which he believed was heavily vested in the Evangelist(s), and not so much in the Elders. He had been fired in 1977 from the congregation that he had been working at when the elders there found numerous things wrong with his theology, including the practice of what came to be called one-over- one Christianity. [Called this by critics] In the first year, half of the 30 people felt that they did not want to be a part of the new congregation. They left. But others began coming into the new Boston Church of Christ. Ah, but I'm ahead of myself. At Crossroads, the heavy-handed system had begun to take its toll on the members. Many have said that they felt that they were working hard, but they were not achieving the results that were so important. The numbers were dropping. From 1978, Crossroads membership declined steadily. The leadership began to tighten the reigns on the congregation, who was seen as being largely ""unproductive"" and ""unfruitful"". The ""fruit"" passages in the NT were interpreted as referring to new converts. If you were not bearing fruit, said John 15, you would be cast into the fire! [Boston still teaches this.] If you love your neighbor, you'll save his soul (invite him to church and convert him). If you're not doing that, you don't love your neighbor. And if you don't love, you're in danger of backsliding. The logical arguments continue in this vein. In 1985, Chuck Lucas was fired from his job as minister, due to recurring sins in his life. These struggles were never revealed to the congregation at large, although many people outside the congregation had heard about them. For by now, there was very little contact (on a friendship level) between most Crossroads members and those outside. [If you have contact, your focus should be on converting them. Bring them to a Bible Study.] Chuck's replacement was Joe Woods, who was fully supportive of the Boston system. As Boston grew in number, they began to offer 'training' sessions for other ministers. Joe went to Boston to be trained and returned to Cross- roads ready to emphasize the ""total commitment"" to the church that Boston and Kip McKean were now emphasizing. Eventually, in Fall of 1987, the Elders at Crossroads (now 2 in number--Dick Whitehead and Bill Hogle) made a decision. Boston was demanding that all of the other churches in the movement come under the direction of the church in Boston. The Elders refused, citing their belief that each church should be autonomous (something true in all non-Boston Churches of Christ). Perhaps there was also some degree of offense done here, since Crossroads was no longer the 'example' to the rest of the Movement. The group now numbered about 800, while Boston was now larger (in membership). The Churches of Christ generally teach that baptism is a necessary element of salvation. At Crossroads, they taught what was called 'Lordship' baptism: you had to understand the commitment involved before you could be baptized. You had to 'count the cost'. At Boston, they took this a step further. If at some time you became ""unproductive"", then your spirituality was suspect. People would begin to ask you if you REALLY understood what you were getting into. Anyone who said 'no' had their baptism deemed invalid: they hadn't counted the cost properly. They still had to be baptized. Others called this ""rebaptism"", and Crossroads didn't approve of this practice. When Crossroads announced that it would not follow Boston, many of its members left Crossroads and went to Movement-related ministries, which were now called Discipling Ministries. You were either discipling (evangelizing) or you were ""dead"". They also used the nickname ""Movement of God"" for a while. By Summer of 1988, Crossroads was withdrawn from the Movement and now stood alone. They had few to no allies in the mainstream Churches of Christ, and now none in the Movement. Boston, however, continued to chart its course in the direction that they had been following. They sent ""reconstruction teams"" to many cities, which usually meant that they split the church there. They stopped acknowledging other churches of Christ as Christians and began to call themselves the ""remnant"". The ""remnant"" of the Jews in the OT are those who are saved by God. It was felt that the ""remnant"" today represents all the Christians. Sometimes they would simply call their Movement ""the church"". They usually took the name of the city for their name, implying to the other Churches of Christ that Boston did not recognize their existence. Many campuses have now formally forbidden Boston ministries from recruiting there due to the number of complaints. In some cases, it has been documented that Boston ministries have lied to University officials in order to continue to have access to the campus. Any resistance that they experience is termed ""perse- cution"", which all true Christians are expected to experience. Are you really a Christian if you're not being persecuted? The numbers at Boston peaked at c.3000 in 1989. Since then, they have fought to remain steady. I have heard a tape of Kip McKean shouting at the leaders for failing to fulfill the Great Commission (their life's purpose) as God commanded them. Their Christianity is highly centered on commands and obedience. Crossroads once was called a cult. Boston is now recognized by the Cult Awareness Network and other national and international groups as a cult, under a formal definition, because of the techniques which they employ. The term ""cult"" is usually differentiated from ""sect"" by the practice of those techniques. The techniques which they employ are recognized by many as being techniques of destructive pursuasion, also used by other Shepherding Discipleship groups. [Robert Jay Lifton, Margaret Thaler Singer, and many others have written about the topic.] These techniques include guilt motivation, emotional manipulation, loaded language, the aura of sacred science (a sort of mystic element seen in everyday events), and others. I have no particular axe to grind against the Movement. I have numer- ous friends who are still part of the Movement. I have never had a 'falling out' with anyone in the Movement. I disagree with many things which they teach. I recognize the psychological damage done by being involved in such a system. I hold no loyalty to the mainstream Churches of Christ and do not defend their mistakes either. I want to point out, though, that unlike in many other systems which are in other ways similar, the Leadership of the Boston Movement are as much victims of the system as the members. We do not have a leader who enjoys manipulating his people. The leaders believe what they teach, and they feel accountable for the activites (and spiritual welfare) of the members. When members do not evangelize to their expectations, for example, the leaders feel personally responsible as well. The leaders are not out for money or power. They want to evangelize the world in their lifetime. I have said too much, but there is much more to say. There are many examples I could give and quotes from other sources (including Boston bulletins) that I could include. But this is too long already. You may post this if you so desire. Frank D. ",soc.religion.christian 2925," He's a Canadian ""thing"". Former coach of the Boston Bruins and Colorado Rockies. From the summaries that get posted I gather that his ongoing beef this year has been the conventional wisdom that Canadian hockey is doomed to be second or third rate behind the perceived emergence of the U.S. and European programs. After he left the Rockies, he got a job with CBC's Hockey Night in Canada and hasn't looked back since. Actually, he did work for CBC at least on playoff season after the Rockies were eliminated. I'd say it's a combination of flame bait and serious journalism. The closest thing you'll find to Cherry in the U.S. is Stan Fischler, a self-described hockey maven. The similarities are that they both say things that get people upset. The difference is that Cherry knows the game and Fischler doesn't. Don's a character. If he were completely rational and noncontroversial he wouldn't have a job. By some definitions, he could be called an ass. But then some people feel the same about Mike Lang, another character that I wish would get wider exposure (only one national telecast last year).",rec.sport.hockey 2926," Wake up and smell the Norris!! Rick Zombo was traded to the Blues for Vince Riendo (sp?) last season. ",rec.sport.hockey 2927," The paper was distributed (against the wishes of the NSA - I have a copy with a few 'illicit distribution' footnotes scribbled on it :-), and eventually published at one of the crypto conferences. Things were looking good. Then Xerox patented the algorithms. I don't know of anything which uses them. Also, Khafre was broken at a later conference and from work on a related algorithm I don't think the existing Khufu would hold up too well against a converted differential cryptanalysis attack, although it can probably be changed to resist this type of attack.... Peter.",sci.crypt 2928," Nope. Your problem is either being caused by excessive voltage drop in the long cable from the generator, or just plain not having enough power. I would suspect that those amps are going to draw a lot of current on short peaks. You can try using larger (and shorter) cables to the generator, or try strapping the amps for 240V service and running 240V mains cables out, which will minimize the line drop. If these don't work, though, you're going to need a bigger generator. I assume that you're using well-maintained generators, and have watched the voltage output on the generator properly. If you don't have 120V coming out of the unloaded generator you'll never get 120V at the other end. ",sci.electronics 2929,"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.",talk.religion.misc 2930,,None 2931,"[...] Does this imply the German tone dialing is compatible with the American one? I know at least the British system is not -- it is supposedly close enough though that an American phone will work. But my modem (American) has a special setting for British standards... Michael",sci.electronics 2932,"I am working for a company which has only one connection to the Internet. This is through a firewall gateway (unix workstation). I would like to be able to telnet to a host outside the company and set the DISPLAY to my PC which is running an X-terminal emulator (eXceed/W). The display can be set to the gateway workstation with no problem but when I set the variable to my IP address I get a ""Error: Can't open display"" message. This can't be that hard to work around can it? BTW I have no trouble running x-clients on local workstations (in the company) and having them display on my PC.",comp.windows.x 2933," If the BT phone system is anything to go by...me thinks this should be approached with great caution. Mark",sci.crypt 2934,"I am selling the following sets of comics. Listed are the guide prices (Overstreet, or Comics Values Monthly or Wizard if I couldn't find it in Overstreet) as well as my price. Feel free to ask me about single items from the sets, as I often have extra copies of some of the items in the set. All comics are Near Mint to Mint unless otherwise noted. Set # Titles Guide PRICE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Adventure Comics Set (VF-NM unless noted) $130.00 $100.00 296, 304, 312, 313, 319 (F-VF) 2. Animal Man Set $ 46.00 $ 30.00 Animal Man 35-38, 41 Animal Man TPB Reprint #1 Wonder Woman 267 (Re-intro Animal Man) 3. Avengers Set $ 21.00 $ 9.00 Avengers 263, 272, 300, 306, 324, 329 Avengers Annual 15, 18, 19 4. Fish Police $ 22.50 $ 9.00 Fish Police 3-7, 9 5. Green Arrow $ 35.50 $ 15.00 Green Arrow 1-9, 12, 47-51 6. Infinity Gauntlet $ 17.00 $ 9.00 Infinity Gauntlet 1-3 7. Legion of Super-Heroes $ 8.00 $ 5.00 Legion of Super-Heroes 294 Legion of Super-Heroes (1989) 1, 21 L.E.G.I.O.N. 29, 30 8. Lone Wolf and Cub $ 22.00 $ 15.00 Lone Wolf and Cub 5-10, 18, 19, 21-23 9. Omega Men $ 23.00 $ 15.00 Omega Men 3, 10 Omega Men Annual 1, 2 10. Outcasts $ 21.00 $ 10.00 Outcasts 1-12 11. Ragman $ 9.00 $ 5.00 Ragman 1-5 12. Retief $ 16.25 $ 9.00 Retief Volume 1 (Mad Dog) 1-6 Retief Volume 2 (Adventure) 1 Retief of the C.D.T. 13. Silver Blade $ 24.00 $ 9.00 Silver Blade 1-12 16. Slash Maraud $ 10.50 $ 5.00 Slash Maraud 1-6 17. Sleepwalker $ 16.25 $ 10.00 Sleepwalker 1, 4-13 18. Star Trek $ 30.00 $ 20.00 Star Trek (Marvel) 3 (VG), 6 (F), 10 (VF) Star Trek: Next Generation (mini) 1 Star Trek: Next Generation (series) 1,2 19. Strange Adventures (VF-NM unless noted) $260.00 $200.00 Strange Adventures 91, 124, 125, 128, 140, 144, 146 (F-VF), 147 (G), 148 (G), 150, 152, 166, 169, 171, 174, 205 (F-VF) 20. Superman $ 18.40 $ 10.00 Superman 2, 4, 7, 53 Superman Annual 1-3 Superman The Earth Stealers Superman The Man of Steel 1 21. Trekker $ 9.50 $ 5.00 Trekker 1-6 22. Trouble with Girls $ 20.00 $ 9.00 Apache Dick 1-3 Trouble with Girls (Eternity) 5, 11-14 Trouble with Girls (Comico) 2, 4 23. V For Vendetta $ 8.00 $ 5.00 V For Vendetta 6, 7, 9, 10 24. Video Jack $ 12.00 $ 5.00 Video Jack 1-6 25. Warlock and The Infinity Watch $ 19.00 $ 10.00 Warlock and the Infinity Watch 2-9 26. Warriors $ 6.50 $ 5.00 Warriors 1-3 27. X-Terminators $ 7.25 $ 5.00 X-Terminators 1-4 I guarantee comic grading satisfaction. If you are not satisfied with the grade I've assigned to the book, you can send it back and I will refund your money minus shipping costs. I have thousands of other comics, so if you are looking for something in particular, please let me know. I might be able to help out. I reserve the right to refuse any offer.",misc.forsale 2935,"Posted for a friend without posting access (but with e-mail access...) ---------------------------- Help, anyone! I have a X client that is abnormally terminated with the following message: XIO: fatal IO error 22 (Invalid argument) on X server ""xxxxx:0.0"" after 10058 requests (10057 known processed) with 78 events remaining. It has been known to occur when displaying on the Xsun (X11R4) server. It occurs with a higher frequency when the client displays on the Xdomain (X11R4) server running on DomainOS 10.3.5 on an Apollo. Anybody know why this may be happening? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Reply-To: has been set to me. I'll summarize to the net. Doug Leary REDARS Software Development Boeing Computer Services dcl@luey.ca.Boeing.COM ",comp.windows.x 2936,"For Sale: 386SX-16Mz, 8 meg RAM!, 120 meg Maxtor IDE hard disk, AMI BIOS STB PowerGraph SVGA, 1MB (up to 1024x768x256) LOOP 14"" color SVGA monitor (.28 dot pitch) 1.2 & 1.44 diskette drives Desktop case, turbo & reset switches, Hard Drive LED 101 keyboard, 2 Serial/1 Parallel/ 1 Game Port Serial, 2-button, fully MS-compatible mouse. Everex 2400 bps External modem with MNP5 DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1 Logitech ScanMan 32 HandScanner with all software,docs,box. ",misc.forsale 2937,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Labour's enclaves policy.IMPORTANT Labour's enclaves policy in the occupied territories by Israel Shahak publ. in Middle East International, London, 30.4.93 It is not difficult to discover Israel's policy towards the Palestinians at any given time. It can be easily inferred from the facts on the ground and from the information provided by the Hebrew press. There is one condition, though. The torrents of claptrap about ""the peace process"" must be totally ignored, as must Israel's official pronouncements, whole sole purpose is to distort reality. By concentrating only on the facts, it was early apparent that Labour's policies were no different from those of Shamir but for their greater reliance on deceit and their more effective implementation. Likud's policies were accurately described by Ariel Sharon in an article, accompanied by a map, in Yediot Aharonot last August. The Sharon plan envisaged a division of the West Bank into seven, and the Gaza Strip into four, ""autonomous"" Palestinian enclaves, all of them under Israeli supervision. The total area of these enclaves amounted to about 15 per cent of the territories. The rest was to be controlled by the Israeli settlements and the highways built around the enclaves. The entire area around Jerusalem, from the outskirts of Ramallah to the boundaries of Bethlehem, has already been turned into a ""Greater Jerusalem"" where the Arab- inhabited localities amount to small enclaves surrounded by areas occupied by Israeli settlements or reserved for them. Judging from Labour's settlement policy, it may be assumed that it may content itself with a lesser number of Arab enclaves of a rather larger size than Sharon had planned. But the principle of surrounding the enclaves by settlements strategically dispersed along the highways remains unchanged. Labour plans only four enclaves in the West Bank: two in ""Samaria"" and two in ""Judea"" (i.e. north and south of Jerusalem respectively), and no more than two in the Gaza Strip. In regard to ""Greater Jerusalem"", Labour's policies hardly deviate from Sharon's. A saner version of Likud policy As some Israeli correspondents at once realised, Labour policies were but a saner version of Sharon's extravaganza. Last July, Gideon Eshet wrote in Yediot Aharonot that, while ""barely a few months ago"" Labour supported the demand to freeze all construction beyond the Green Line, ""no specific decision to freeze construction in the territories has been taken"". And Uzi Benziman wrote in Ha'aretz that ""as far as can be judged on the basis of the internal political discussions in Jerusalem, Rabin intends to stick to Likud's ways"". The two biggest enclaves envisaged by Labour are located in ""Samaria"". Therefore the belt of settlements around the ""Trans-Samaria Highway"", designed to separate those enclaves from each other, is of paramount importance. According to the latest data, the percentage of Israeli settlers in the entire West Bank population (apart from East Jerusalem) is a mere 5.5 per cent. But for the area around the ""Trans-Samaria Highway"", the corresponding figure is almost 20 per cent, and it is increasing steadily. The situation in the settlements of the ""Efrat Block"" south of Jerusalem, designed to sever the enclave around Bethlehem from the one around Hebron, is pretty much the same. The ""Efrat Block"" is now being connected with West Jerusalem by a highway. The project is costly in the extreme, because the highway is designed to bypass Bethlehem by a sequence of long tunnels. The final decision to build this highway was suspended until Rabin's return from his US visit in March. The subsequent decision to renew its construction can be seen as US approval for the enclaves plan as a whole. Process of impoverishment The enclaves plan implies deliberate and steady impoverishment of the Palestinians. This is well known in Israel but ignored abroad by all who should be concerned, including the PLO. In regard to the Gaza Strip, the whole process was best described by Ze'ev Shiff in Ha'aretz in March. He mentions having seen ""a pamphlet issued six years ago by the Civil Administration forecasting the conditions in the Gaza Strip under Israeli rule in 2000"". His analysis deserves to be quoted extensively: ""We continue to steal the Strip's water, even though its quality deteriorates from year to year. We continue to steal the Strip's tiny land resources, in order to found there more and more settlements, as if we deliberately want to make the inhabitants despair, and in their despair think in termws of having nothing to lose. It is by our own doing that the Strip's workers must now spend travelling to their workplaces almost as much time as they spend working. From the military point of view, we have kept control of no more than half the Strip's area at an increasingly exorbitant price in manpower and resources. About a year before Moshe Arens left the defence ministry, I heard him saying that we should withdraw from the Strip come what may. His argument was that Israel sinks into the Strip ever deeper and deeper. He told me he had proposed this to Yitzhak Shamir but he rejected it."" Yitzhak Rabin rejects it too. Enormous state support for the Qatif Block settlers can also be cited as proof that the enclaves plan is being implemented. The Qatif Block settlements, founded by the first Rabin government of 1974-77, are intended to divide the Gaza Strip into two separate enclaves. Efraim Davidi of Davar had data showing how vital for Israeli this enterprise is. ""The Qatif Block is now producing 40 per cent of Israeli tomatoes destined for export, and a substantial proportion of cut flowers."" He also deals with the subsidies the settlers receive, considerably augmented by the present government. Owing to them, housing units are cheap. The present government does not spare efforts to recruit new settlers to the block. ""Any prospective settler will get a 95 per cent mortgage for his house on top of a grant of 18,000 shekels ($6,500)."" Such data shows that Israel's plans apply whether the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip are allowed or forbidden to work in Israel. The economic motivations were explained by Danny Rubinstein in Ha'aretz in March: ""From the economic viewpoint Gaza could already be sealed off hermetically and all the Strip's workers could be barred from entering Israel...Even though accurate data is hard to come by, it is indisputable that during the last two years the numbes of Gazan workers arriving daily to work in Israel has markedly decreased, from 80,000 in the mid'80s to 40,000 today. But the decrease is not only due to restrictions imposed on entering Israel from Gaza. It is also due to the drastic curtailment of demand for Gazan labour in Israel. With unemployment in Israel soaring and the construction of apartments blocks virtually halted, the workers from Gaza are no longer really needed..."" Gaza's total dependence The entire economy of the Gaza Strip is totally dependent on Israel. In recent years in the Gaza Strip there has been an increase in sub-contracted work for Israeli factories, mostly footware and textiles. Thousands of small workshops, employing an average of four workers, get their raw materials or unfinished products, together with detailed working instructions, from Israeli factories. Rubinstein attributes this development to the fact that ""the average wage in the Gaza Strip is merely 40 per cent of that in the West Bank, which in turn stands at half the average wage in Israel; and besides the Gazan employer does not pay any social security for his employees."" If the average wage in the Gaza Strip is just a fifth of that in Israel, the profits of Israeli factories and even of Palestinian sub-contractors must be vast. They are higher still when ""a Gazan sub-contractor provides labour to be performed at home, with the family's help. The livelihood of tens of thousands of Gazans depends on such sub-contracted work."" Many of them are women and children, paid about ten shekels ($3.50) a day which can last 12 hours or more. There can be no doubt that profits from exploiting cheap Gazan labour are one of the reasons for the stubborn opposition of Rabin and other Israeli ministers to withdrawal from the Strip. Economic conditions in the Gaza Strip differ little from what was created straight after Israel's conquest [in 1967]. In this respect, one should not be deluded by the talk, nowadays fashionable, about Israeli gestures intended to ""encourage economic development in the territories"", As Israeli journalists point out, all permits for opening new businesses depend on a prior approval by the Shin Bet. ""Behind all the professed goodwill there is no desire to solve problems, just the attitude of a good colonialist, willing to do something for the benefit of the natives, but on condition that they behave nicely, do not become rebellious, and never do anything against the interests of the metropolis, its economic interests included,"" wrote Michal Sela in Davar in February. The development of sub-contracted work in the Gaza Strip accords perfectly with Sela's diagnosis. Sela also shows how exactly the economic controls work. ""In all branches of the economy, lobbies have been set in motion for purposes of freeing Israeli production from the threat of any Palestinian competition. The method is simplicity itself. As soon as any Israeli producer succeeds in persuading the government, or even the trade and industry minister alone, a military order is issued prohibiting the export of a given produce to Israel. If this does not suffice, a Palestinian factory may be denied a licence to operate or bureaucratic obstacles may paralyse its production."" Among the most active of such lobbies is the agricultural one. It has succeeded in limiting exports of Gazan vegetables (except for those grown by settlers) not only to Israel but also to Europe, where they otherwise might compete with Israeli exports. Perpetuaring apartheid Labour's goal is to perpetuate this apartheid regime in the territories. The same goal is shared by the US, which otherwise could not support the Labour government so firmly. In my view one of the reasons the US feels happier about supporting Labour than Likud is its greater efficiency in pursuing the settlement drive. This point was brought home by Ofer Shelah in Ma'ariv, who deplored the settlers' failure which he attributed to Likud's inefficiency. he showed that the peak yearly settlement growth ""occured during the term of office of the National Unity government (i.e. 1984-90) in which Rabin served throughout as the defence minister"". Likud's reputation for settling the territories better than Labour is false, attributable to the many tiny settlements without strategic value founded under Shamir for symbolic reasons. To sum up: Labour's policy, unconditionally supported by the US differs from that of Likud primarily in the efficiency with which it is implemented. According to that policy the territories are to be divided into two parts. The major part is to be ruled by Israel directly, and the minor part indirectly. In my view, this racist scheme is doomed to ultimately fail, but at a horrifying price in human suffering. The sooner its true nature is recognised, the less suffering it may cause.",talk.politics.mideast 2938," Bzzzzt. THANK you for playing, but obviously you are not reading the material as it is presented. According to the report I've got in my hands, the Newsweek article (which reported that ""2 to 3 percent"" of the population is gay) used the criteria of ""No heterosexual contact in the past year."" But at the same time, the University of Denver study points out, quite dramatically, that 60% of all self-identifying gay men have ",talk.politics.misc 2939," Those are pretty typical, I believe. ",None 2940," I'd like to add that I think Canadian hockey fans like Don because his kind of hockey (the hockey he promotes in his TV appearances) is the kind that they think used to get played in the old 6 team NHL. So there's a kind of nostagia for the old days, before expansion, the Soviet series, Gretzky and even Bobby Orr, when guys weren't afraid to take a hit, nobody floated and defensemen played defence. Who cares that that probably never really existed, the myth is still around in Canada and all the European in fluence on the game has diminished it in some people's eyes. Personally, I'd like to add before I get flamed, I love the fast-paced ""European"" game and think Don Cherry is a bit of an idiot. I have to say that I missed him when I was living in the States, though. He is entertaining, even if you end up throwing your popcorn at the screen when he's on. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I stand by all the misstatements that I've made. -- Vice President Dan Quayle to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/89",rec.sport.hockey 2941," Feeding frenzy!!! Ah, 'tis April in rec.moto and the newbies are bitin'! Catch all you want, we'll make more!",rec.motorcycles 2942," Hijaak claims to convert .dxf to .iff, although Hijaak claims some stuff that I have never gotten to work (for example, not long ago I tried to convert some .iff files from an Amiga video toaster (using CrossDos, so my PC could read the disks) int Targa files. Hijaak made some gorgeous 1.5 megabyte Targa files from the .iffs -- all totally black! ",comp.graphics 2943," ... I must object to the characterization of those opposed to the government's handling of the Waco situation as ""gun supporters"". Your argument tries to paint the BATF critics as right-wing gun nuts, and just mixes up two issues. I am one of the BATF/FBI critics, and yet I am a liberal and just as anti-gun as you are. I just happen to believe that everyone has civil rights, even religious crazies. They're all human beings, not some nest of wasps that you're trying to exterminate. The BATF created the crisis situation by the way they handled the original raid. It was well known that Koresh regularly went jogging outside his property. He could have been served with a search warrant then. He could have been arrested if he had refused to comply. Instead officers armed with grenades invaded the property. This escalated into a shooting war with tragic deaths on both sides. Those were the first two mistakes: the bad judgment of asking for a no-knock warrant, and the bad and probably illegal way the already-unwise warrant was served. At this point, the situation escalated to where it was described as an armed standoff and a hostage crisis. That's when the government started covering their traces, sealing the warrant, revising their reported history of the incident, etc. Things were already building up to disaster. Now the government could have simply closed the supply routes and waited. But according to Janet Reno, that option had ""never been seriously considered"". So, supposedly because the agents were ""frustrated and fatigued"", and because there supposedly were no backups, they felt they had to go in. Now it's entirely possible that Koresh was responsible for the fire. If that's so, he deserves the blame for the deaths of the people in his compound. But the government's hands are far from clean. Their first raid demonstrated bad judgment plus contempt for the 4th amendment. The motivations for the second raid are just too unbelievable. And their coverup of the events of the first raid undermines their credibility in anything they do thereafter. We have only some very biased FBI agents' word for what happened. And please let's not turn this into a pro-gun vs. anti-gun discussion. Anti-gun people do not believe that gun-owners deserve to get frontally assaulted by armed government agents. And Koresh's civil rights exist whether his guns were legal, illegal, illegal-but-should-have-been-legal, or whatever! ",talk.politics.misc 2944,"Sorry, this must be a FAQ, but it's a quick fix that I need to take care of before a demo in less than 24 hours from now! Couldn't think of a better place for a rapid answer than comp.sys.mac.hardware. I need to connect the Serial A of a Compac 386/20 PC to the printer port of a Mac IIci. Does anyone have handy the pin-pin routing for the cable that would allow this connection? The serial port on the Compaq is a MALE DB9. How would this map to the DIN8 of the Mac serial? I tried one of those really short femaleDB9-maleDIN8 cables that Apple sold as adaptors to plug in Macintosh serial peripherals from the pre-MacPlus era. This cable didn't do it. Do I need a null modem adaptor as well on the DB9 side of things? I just need to be able to map the data TX and RX pins correctly. thanks kindly,",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2945," ... The so-called Athanasian Creed has never been a recognized standard of faith in the Orthodox Church. It was introduced (without the Filioque) in certain service-books in the 17th and 18th centuries at a time when there was a strong Western influence on Orhtodoxy.",soc.religion.christian 2946,"My Windows 3.1 installation has somehow gone awry. Whenever I try to run Windows now, the logo comes up OK, but when it tries to enter Windows itself, the screen gets totally screwed up as if it's in the wrong graphics mode or something. It's completely illegible although functional as I can still exit to DOS with an ALT-E RETURN combination. I tried to reinstall Windows again, but if you recall, halfway through the installation process, install takes you into Windows and there my graphics problem surfaces again so I cannot complete the re-installation. All this started after trying to get a game working on my system but my config.sys and autoexec.bat have been restored to what they were before this problem cropped up. I'm running a 486-33DX with a Diamond Stealth VRAM (I've resinstalled the Stealth video drivers again but with no luck). I'm also using QEMM and Stacker 3.0 but Windows is installed on an un-stacked partition. And of course, it worked perfectly before. Any email replies and suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2947,"If you brighten up the dark part of CV043015.GIF with your viewer you will see two other objects near the upper left part of the moon. One is actually between the weather satellite and the moon.",sci.space 2948," The temperature of intergalactic space (or intercluster or intersupercluster space) would be very, very close to the microwave background temperature, 2.73 kelvins. I recall that in interstellar space in our neighborhood of the galaxy it's something like 4 K. Is that what you were looking for? ",sci.space 2949," Frankly, I'm sick of being lied to. It was bad before Clinton, and now it's worse. Here, listen to Ricks' ( FBI ) words, ONE-HALF hour before the fire: "" Come out with your hands up. This matter is NOW OVER. "" Now, I hear Ricks ( and REno ) claiming that this was just ""another incremental step in pressure"". More bullshit. Why did they pick 6 AM Monday morning? So nobody would NOTICE. So everyone would be busy at work, starting a new week. More bullshit. Did the FBI hold back fire engines? Here, let me paraphrase Sessions"" "" no, we didn't hold back the engines. We had them on stand-by, blah, balh, blah... And so, to protect the the fireman, we didn't allow the engines to enter until it was safe "" WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? "" YES, WE HAVE NO BANANAS? "" What the HELL kind of double-talk is this? No, we didn't, so blah, balh, we did. Huh? I WATCHED this. Clinton takes responsibility, ""EVEN THOUGH"" it wasn't his decision. MOre BULLSHIT. Does he, or does he NOT, take responsibility?! No more ""even though"" bullshit. Yes. Or no. Christ. ",talk.politics.misc 2950," The concrete floor accelerates the problem because it is a heat sink and a colder lead-acid battery self-discharges at a slightly faster rate. That's why the old wives' tale of sitting it on a piece of wood on the floor works to help keep from killing the battery as fast ---- it insulates the battery thermally. It you'll set the battery down on a piece of styrofoam, it will self-discharge even slower. The best thing would be to attach a small load such as a small transistor radio with the volume turned down low and leave it on constantly, but also trickle-charge it every couple days too to ""shallow- cycle"" the charge in the battery. Such mild ""exercising"" of a lead-acid battery is the next best thing to completely removing the electrolyte for storage. If you do remove the electrolyte, may sure you keep separate storage containers for each cell's electrolyte and put it back into the same cells when you refill the battery. This isn't so critical for a brand-new battery in a fully charged state, but will maximize the restored output of an older battery which may not be fully charged when you remove the electrolyte for storage.",sci.electronics 2951,"# Recent studies have shown that the number of men who have # engaged in homosexual activities in the last decade is 2.3% # and the number of men who are exclusively homosexual is 1.1%. # These figures are much less than those that came from earlier # studies that showed that homosexuality among men is a lot # higher. # # So, what can we deduce from these figures? Are there a lot # less male homosexuals than there used to be or are men # (perhaps women too) not as honest as they used to be about # there sexuality? Presumably, the people that were polled in You mean, in the 1940s, men and women were much more open about their homosexuality than today? Want to try that one again? # this survey were assured of their anonymnity so they should # have answered the questions honestly I suppose. However, it # could be that gays feel so repressed and denigrated by society # that they didn't feel that they could be forthcoming about there # sexuality in something like a survey. If this true then is it # possible that there is a lot more gays out there than we are led # to believe? # # Perhaps if Americans were more open about there sexuality---I think # most Americans aren't---then we might discover that there are really # quite a few more people out there who are orientated toward the same # sex---men and women included. I'd venture a guess that there is a # lot of people out there who have considered having a relationship # with someone of the same sex at some point in there life. Maybe they # didn't take their longings seriously, but this doesn't make these # longings any less valid. Therefore, if Americans weren't so # repressed about their sexuality in general---as I believe they may be # ---then we'd see a lot more people ""coming out of the closet"". You mean, ignore study after study, so that we can continue to accept a study (Kinsey's) that is obviously wrong? # As for myself, I'm a heterosexual and I've never considered having # sex with another man. That's just the way I am...I could have just # as easily of been gay I suppose. One of the big debates about # homosexuality is whether or not it's a type of behavior that is # learned or if one is just born that way. IMHO, the more likely # explanation is that it's some combination of the two. Based on what, besides your own warm fuzzy feelings? # Here's something to ponder upon: have any of you gay-bashers out # there ever considered that homosexuals probably deem their sexual # orientation as being a state of affairs that is just as much an # intrinsic and ""natural"" part of their life as heterosexuals do # about their own sexuality? In other words, someone who is *truly* Alcoholics share that feeling, until they hit bottom. # gay may not be able to live any other way. Even if they date someone # of the opposite sex or get married, in their *heart* they are still a # homosexual. Likewise, if someone who is *truly* heterosexual forms # a relationship with someone of the same sex, then they are *still* # a heterosexual even though outward appearances may suggest otherwise. # # Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot Unless, of course, the problem is that homosexuality is a form of mental disorder, caused by childhood sexual abuse, as a number of recent works suggest. If homosexuals would stop using the government to impose their morality on others (antidiscrimination laws) and leave our children alone, I wouldn't care in the least what they did in private. But until they get over the liberal notion that the proper role of government is to tell peaceful people how to live, I have no choice but to continue to point out that homosexuality is not an ""alternative lifestyle,"" but a sickness. # Before: ""David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets # the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."" --ATF spokesman # After: ""[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets # [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."" --Me Good signature! ",talk.politics.misc 2952,"\\). Silly you. Don't you know the only division at Apple allowed to use the Cray is the legal department?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2953," fc> Exactly what fraction of current research is done on the big, fc> visable light telescopes? From what I've seen, 10% or less fc> (down from amlost 100% 25 years ago.) That sounds like ""dying"" fc> to me... That doesn't seem like a fair comparison. Infrared astronomy didn't really get started until something like 25 yrs. ago; it didn't explode until IRAS in 1983. Gamma-ray (and I think X-ray) observations didn't really get started until the '70s. I believe the same is true of ultraviolet observations in general, and I know that extreme UV (short of 1000 Angstroms) observations, until the EUVE (launched last year) had almost no history except a few observations on Skylab in the '70s. Twenty-five years ago, the vast majority of astronomers only had access to optical or radio instruments. Now, with far more instruments available, growth in some of these new fields has resulted in optical work representing a smaller fraction of total astronomical work. fc> That would be true, if adaptive optics worked well in the visable. fc> But take a look at the papers on the subject: They refer to anything fc> up to 100 microns as ""visable"". I don't know about you, but most fc> people have trouble seeing beyond 7 microns or so... There are fc> reasons to think adaptive optics will not work at shorter fc> wavelengths without truely radical improvements in technology. Hmm, some of the folks in this department planning on using adaptive optics at the 5 m at Palomar for near-infrared observations (1 and 2 microns) might be surprised to hear this. And isn't the NTT already pushing toward 0.1 arcsecond resolution, from a ground-based site (remember 0.1 arcseconds was one of the selling points of HST). ",sci.space 2954,"Hi there kids and kidlets... It your ol' pal the KotPM (Keeper of the Pin Money!) I've got good new and bad news... Good news - I got laid..er... The pins will be coming, to use the computer software phrase, ""real soon now"" Bad news - Right after we placed our order, the company upped its minimum order for manufacturing. We got in under the wire (with an order of 115 or so pins), but as a result of the low number of pins, we were relegated to the ""we'll get to it in-between other runs"" bin. As a result, it seems that it may be another 4 or 5 weeks until your beloved Geeky is guiding you along the blacktop.. (And we thought madonnas on the dashboard were foolish; hmmm, now, if that were Madonna sitting on my dashboard, that could be DANGEROUS...hell. I'm tough.) SO...please continue to be patient. As soon as they arrive, I'll post the grand announcement, and rush our Messiah on his way directly to your abode. In the meantime, if you need revised versions of the holy word of Geeky, please send $15.95 cash or money order (no COD's) to: Ranch Apocalyp...er......Ashram Geeky, 305 Cyberspace Place... I'm off to MSF class...hope it's not too BORING...my wife made me go with her!",rec.motorcycles 2955,"Someone mentioned a while ago that the Duos were scheduled for a 10-18% price reduction, according to 'newsbytes'. Is this definite? Does anyone know when it will take effect? And what is 'newsbytes'? Thanks. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2956,"Novell 386dx16 motherboard with cpu, 4 megs of memory and I/O ports for $160 + shipping / firm. let me know if you are interested. ",misc.forsale 2957,"Does anyone have a listing of Pontiac's three-letter option codes and what they mean? Thanks. -Oliver --- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oliver Scholz DG4NEM Graduate Student of Computer Sciences at the University of Erlangen, Germany ""You're killing me, Peg!"" ""Oh, shut up, Al, like I care..."" ",rec.autos 2958,"# #However, monogamous homosexual male sex is so rare that for practical # #purposes, homosexuality spreads AIDS. # #-- # #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! # #Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. # You fucking homophobic moron!!!!!!!!! What about IV drug use? What about # tainted blood? What about multi-sexual partners? If you knew anything What about them? Those also spread AIDS. Where did I say anything different? Go back and read what I wrote. The statement ""homosexuality spreads AIDS"" is not made false by the fact that there are other methods of spreading it as well. # about what you are talking about, you would be dangerous. As it is right now, # you are a persistent boil on the skin of humanity that needs to be lanced. # # Joe Cipale Typical homosexual response. ",talk.politics.misc 2959," It would help if his OBP were higher than his batting average. Yes, the April 12 USA Today lists Le Grand Chapeau as having a .422 batting average and a .413 OBP. That's on 19-for-45 hitting with 0 (zip, nil, nada) walks. The reason a lot of us are down on Galarraga is that he's has a long history of showing that this is nowhere near his real level of ability (except for drawing walks). If he hit .400 for, say, even 250 AB's I'd be convinced that there was a real change in his ability. If he did it with an OBP...... PAUL KARIYA, HOBEY BAKER AWARD WINNER....... NCAA DIV. 1 HOCKEY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ",rec.sport.hockey 2964," I was wondering if a group called 'sci.pharmacology' would be relevent. This would be used for a more formal discussion about pharmacological issues (pharmacodynamics, neuropharmacology, etc.) Just an informal proposal (I don't know anything about the net.politics for adding a newsgroup, etc.) [more alt.psychoactives stuff deleted]",sci.med 2965," Well, here goes. The first item of business is to establish the importance space life sciences in the whole of scheme of humankind. I mean compared to football and baseball, the average joe schmoe doesn't seem interested or even curious about spaceflight. I think that this forum can make a major change in that lack of insight and education. All of us, in our own way, can contribute to a comprehensive document which can be released to the general public around the world. The document would scientifically analyze the technical aspects of long term human habitation in space. I believe that if any long-term space exploration program is to succeed we need to basically learn how to engineer our own microworld (i.e. the spacecraft). Only through the careful analyses of engineering, chemical, biological, and medical factors will a good ecosystem be created to facilitate human life on a long-duration flight. So, I would like to see posts of opinions regarding the most objective methods to analyze the accepted scientific literature for technologies which can be applied to long-duration spaceflight. Such a detailed literature search would be of interest to ourselves as space advocates and clearly important to existing space programs. In essence, we would be dividing the space life science issues into various technical problems which could be solved with various technologies. This database of acceptable solutions to various problems could form the basis of detailed discussions involving people from the bionet, isunet, and any other source!",sci.space 2966,"ESPN is pathetic, I have been watching everybody complain about ESPN's coverage and I agree with all of you. Might I suggest that we are getting all worked up over nothing. We ALL knew that ESPN's coverage was going to suck. I mean have you ever watched during the regular season Sportscenter coverage of hockey? It sucks, I mean really sucks!!! ESPN does not know hockey if it shot them in the ass. I was really pissed of about last night, coverage. I go to school in Ohio I *know* the Indians suck, so why show them? If I were Bill Clement I would shoot myself. Anyway after I calmed down after I realized that they were not going to show overtime of the Caps Isles game I thought to myself I knew that this was going to happen, in fact I remerbed myself praying that at least they would keep even the boring Devils game. Overall I think ESPN does not care if they show hockey or not and I firmly belive that they have know respect for the fans. ie *because of contract obligations*, screw you ESPN. Praise be to all hockey fans who put up with this shit! GO HAWKS!!!",rec.sport.hockey 2967,"Bufflo Sabres has just finished their great four wins over Boston. All Sabres players contribute to those great wins but those talent players including Mogily, Fuhr, Kemhlev and Lafontin impressed me most. Their skills showed the art of sport, not like the garbage speech from the coach's corner.",rec.sport.hockey 2968," My apologies if this is a re-post - I submitted it on Friday, but got a message that my post might not have gone out. Considering the confusing spitting contest over 'rights', (there are TOO inalienable rights damn it! The majority can be just as destructive of liberty as a despot), I suspect that my post did not get out of my site. (I ain't saying that dark skies are included in these rights, although we can only preserve any rights by exercising them.) Anyway, here are my thoughts on this: I'd like to add that some of the ""protests"" do not come from a strictly practical consideration of what pollution levels are acceptable for research activities by professional astronomers. Some of what I would complain about is rooted in aesthetics. Many readers may never have known a time where the heavens were pristine - sacred - unsullied by the actions of humans. The space between the stars as profoundly black as an abyss can be. With full horizons and a pure sky one could look out upon half of all creation at a time - none of which had any connection with the petty matters of man. Any lights were supplied solely by nature; uncorruptable by men. Whole religions were based on mortal man somehow getting up there and becoming immortal as the stars, whether by apotheosis or a belief in an afterlife. The Space Age changed all that. The effect of the first Sputniks and Echo, etc. on this view could only happen once. To see a light crossing the night sky and know it was put there by us puny people is still impressive and the sense of size one gets by assimilating the scales involved is also awesome - even if the few hundreds or thousands of miles involved is still dwarfed by the rest of the universe. But there is still a hunger for the pure beauty of a virgin sky. Yes, I know aircraft are almost always in sight. I have to live in a very populated area (6 miles from an international airport currently) where light pollution on the ground is ghastly. The impact of humans is so extreme here - virtually no place exists that has not been shaped, sculpted, modified, trashed or whipped into shape by the hands of man. In some places the only life forms larger than bacteria are humans, cockroaches, and squirrels (or rats). I visited some friends up in the Appalacian mountains one weekend, ""getting away from it all"" (paved roads, indoor plumbing, malls, ...) and it felt good for a while - then I quickly noticed the hollow was directly under the main flight path into Dulles - 60-80 miles to the east. (Their 'security light' didn't help matters much either.) But I've heard the artic wilderness gets lots of high air traffic. So I know the skies are rarely perfect. But there is still this desire to see a place that man hasn't fouled in some way. (I mean they've been TRYING this forever - like, concerning Tesla's idea to banish night, - wow!) I don't watch commercial television, but I can imagine just how disgusting beer, truck, or hemmorrhoid ointment advertisements would be if seen up so high. If ya' gotta make a buck on it (displaying products in heaven), at least consider the reactions from those for whom the sky is a last beautiful refuge from the baseness of modern life. To be open about this though, I have here my listing of the passage of HST in the evening sky for this weekend - tonight Friday at 8:25 p.m. EDT it will reach an altitude of 20.1 degrees on the local meridian from Baltimore vicinity. I'll be trying to see it if I can - it _is_ my mealticket after all. So I suppose I could be called an elitist for supporting this intrusion on the night sky while complaining about billboards proposed by others. Be that as it may, I think my point about a desire for beauty is valid, even if it can't ever be perfectly achieved. Regards, Wm. Hathaway Baltimore MD ",sci.space 2969," The NY Times is in error. This is not simply my opinion; even the Arab sources that I use do not make this claim. This, of course, is assuming that the NY Times was refering to the islands that I named above. Of those islands, only Abu Musa has been in dispute and Iranian occupation of that island predates the existence of the UAE.",talk.politics.mideast 2970,"Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #015 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | | | . . . They beat up the husband, dragged the wife outside, | | and stood her naked next to our burning things; her | | husband was lying at her feet on the ground. The crowd | | shouted, ""Look at the naked Armenian!"" They were going to | | throw the poor woman into the fire...Mamma wouldn't allow | | it but I went to the window and saw her standing there, | | and they took skewers that had been heated in the fire | | and stuck them into her body. | | | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITIONS OF: ZINAIDA POGHOSOVNA HAKOPIAN Born 1937 Dispatcher Kavkazenergoremont Electric Booster Station Her daughters GAYANE (GAYA) VAZGENOVNA HAKOPIAN Born 1970 Orderly Sumgait Municipal Hospital No. 1 DIANA VAZGENOVNA HAKOPIAN Born 1978 Second-Year Student Sumgait Secondary School No. 13 Residents at Building 21/31, Apartment 47 Microdistrict No. 3 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] -Zinaida: On March 20 we arrived in Yerevan, and the next day they registered us at the train station and took us to the boarding house. The conditions were wonderful, thanks to our Armenians, who received us. But it's not relaxing all the same. I don't know how everyone else feels about it, but for me it's torture. We don't have a place to call our own. I had a two bedroom apartment in Sumgait, my children went to school and we lived well, in friendship. It's painful that in our times, in 1988, in the Soviet period, people can break into our apartment and try to kill me and my children, in whom I've put all my efforts and my whole youth. Everything was going well for us: my older daughter was studying at the Institute, the middle one was preparing to enter medical school and was interning as an orderly, and my youngest had been sick for a long time, but had returned to health. I have been though a lot in my life: it's been seven years since I lost my husband, I raised my children by myself. Lots of women have similar fates, but there's nothing to be done about it. But I can't control myself when I remember what happened in Sumgait on February 27, 28, and 29, it was just a horror, it's indescribable. On February 27 our relative, Ira, came to visit us. She's better friends with my oldest daughter, and so right away she asked, ""Where's Vika?"" I say, ""Vika's off in Pirkuli on a trip for three days, she's supposed to come back tomorrow."" My middle daughter, Gaya, had baked a cake and we sat there talking and laughing, drinking tea. Then Gaya and Diana went to walk Ira home. They left and a few minutes went by; suddenly I hear noise. I raced out to the balcony--our balcony is right across from the bus station, we live at the corner of Mir and Druzhba Streets--I look and see that there are hoards of people near the bus station and they're all shouting something. What they're shouting I can't understand. Our neighbor is standing on his balcony, too. I ask, ""Nufar, what's happened?"" He says, ""I don't know, I can't figure it out either."" I got scared--the kids had gone outside, and I wanted to run after them, but then there was a knock at the door. I open the door and it's the kids. ""Mamma,"" says Gayane, ""you'll never believe what's going on out there! It's awful!"" Ira says, ""Aunt Zina, they're shouting, 'Karabagh! Karabagh! Karabagh is ours!' We didn't know what was going on. They're threatening to drive out the Armenians and slaughter them."" I called my brother, and his wife answered the phone. I said, ""Aunt Tamara, don't worry, Ira is staying here with us, and we'll see her home later."" I couldn't shut my eyes all night long, even until morning. I was worried about Vika. My God, what was going on, what had happened?! -Gayane: That day, on the 27th, we stood on the balcony and observed what was happening, although Mamma wouldn't allow us to watch all of it. There weren't 50 yards between our building and the bus station. We could see and hear everything perfectly. They were stopping buses, dragging people out, leading all the passengers out, looking for Armenians. If they found an Armenian on the bus, then it started . . .I don't know what to call it . . . -Zinaida: It's called slaughter. -Gayane: The mob would descend on people and beat them. I don't know if they were killing them or not, but when they left them, they lay still, not moving, as though nothing was left of them. One person was lying there and they started dragging him. The police were standing right there, to the side, not doing anything, they didn't take any steps to calm that mob. It was awful to stand there and watch it all from the balcony. And you couldn't go anywhere, somehow . . . you wanted to be able to see everything so as to tell of it later. We wanted to leave Sumgait that day. What kept us was the idea that we live in the Soviet Union, and that something would be done about it. Where in the world was our government?! -Zinaida: We couldn't leave town, of course, because our older daughter wasn't home. And at the same time I was terrified for Gaya and Diana. On Sunday morning when I went to see Ira home, our neighbor said, ""Zin', you know they went into Valodya's house and smashed everything he had. They murdered his father and two sons."" Valodya is our neighbor, he's an Armenian, he lives on the first floor. I think, my God, what is happening?! And in broad daylight! I saw Ira home and when on the way back I came across a mob shouting ""Slay the Armenians! Karabagh is ours!"" This was at 12 o'clock in the afternoon. On the way I stopped into a bread store and the saleswoman says, ""They beat our store manager, they thought he was an Armenian and they beat him, but he was an Azerbaijani."" And I asked, ""Did they kill him?"" She says, ""No, he's in serious condition."" I left there and started to walk home on that same street, but the mob started moving in my direction. I turned off the street and went down the little way that goes toward the Sputnik store. There I met another crowd, but these weren't bandits, these were our people from Sumgait. I was so frightened that I walked without knowing where was going, I couldn't feel my legs or the ground under my feet. I was walking and there was a boy standing before my eyes. This was on the 27th, around evening time. He ran under our balcony, and the mob surged toward him shouting, ""He's an Armenian, get him!"" He wore a black coat. They grabbed him, that boy, near the bus stop, I saw it. They grabbed him by the legs and struck his head on the asphalt. I made it home but I just couldn't calm down. My oldest daughter was in my thoughts. I was thinking, my daughter's coming home now, they'll stop her bus and she'll be gone. There's no police, no protection, nothing. It's like they had all died, there's no one, nothing, no authorities whatsoever. I can't even find the words for it! I look and see an Ikarus arriving. Before going to the bus station they stop near our place, across from the Kosmos movie theater. So this Ikarus stops there and the gang is yelling, the Azerbaijanis are running toward it yelling, ""Armenians out!"" And I see them take the Armenians and beat them, killing them. I can't watch it any more. It was a nightmare. I just couldn't watch it. But Gaya was standing there watching it, and I scolded her. She says, ""Mamma, I have to see it, I have to know what's happening, I have to see it with my own eyes so I can tell our people of it later. So our children will know."" Gayane: We saw a great deal on the 27th. They caught no less than 20 people before my eyes. I can't say for sure if they killed them or not . . . -Zinaida: There were too many people there, the mob was too big. You couldn't make anything out. But I saw that boy in the black coat with my own eyes. He was 18 or 19 years old. -Gayane: I think he was older, probably, about 22. A tall fellow, a big guy, in a coat. He was walking quickly, but when they shouted that he was an Armenian, he tore off running. And the mob went after him. They caught him right under our balcony. I don't know. I don't think there could have been much left of him after that. You can imagine what happens when a crowd attacks one person. It was a mob, big, angry, and featureless. You know, there was a similarity in the way they were dressed, mostly they were wearing long black coats. You couldn't even tell them apart, they were all wearing black and they all looked alike. -Zinaida: When they picked up that boy and struck him against the asphalt and he cried ""Mamma!"" I ran into the room. I couldn't watch any longer. An awful lot was going on right then, in various places, it wasn't only that boy, several people were being beaten up. You couldn't see all of it at once, but when that boy cried ""Mamma!"" I immediately started watching only him. -Gayane: On that first day it went on from about six in the morning until twelve at night. At midnight they dispersed and the police took their place. They were scattered about in all districts. But how can you explain the fact that by morning, when it had already started getting light, around seven o'clock, our police were gone? The police disappeared and yielded their positions to the bandits. In the morning they started gathering at our inter- section again, at the bus station and at the entrance to downtown. From morning on all the roads and mass transit stops were covered, and by nine o'clock you couldn't even see the ground. There were thousands of people in the crowd. Again they began stopping vehicles and checking for Armenians. -Zinaida: They had signals. I realized that when I noticed that they made a cross with their arms, they crossed their arms over their heads. The cross, evidently, meant that the vehicle had Armenians in it. They let the Azerbaijani cars through, and they stopped the Armenian ones and started their pogrom. -Gayane: They stopped a white Zhiguli and asked the driver what his nationality was. He got out and said they were from Baku. ""But what is your nationality?"" He says Armenian. They immediately start shouting, ""Ermeni, Ermeni!"" And he says, ""What's going on? I'm coming from Baku. I don't live in Sumgait."" ""Doesn't matter, who cares if you're from Baku or Sumgait."" Anyway the crowd pounced on him and started beating him, and they dragged a woman--his wife, probably--out of the car. At this point the police came and took the two and led them away. Then the mob started smashing the car, and then burned it. The flames blazed . . . it was a horrible fire! Then everyone ran away, they thought the car was going to explode. About 20 minutes later another car comes along, a green Moskvich. They ran up shouting ""Ermeni! Ermeni!"" But this time they didn't pull the people out of the car, they didn't beat them. Maybe they burned them along with the car, because no one emerged from the flames. The neighbor boy Vakhit was standing on the balcony too, acquaintances of his walked by below, and he asked them and they said, ""Yes, they burned them along with the car."" About two hours later a whole wedding procession came by, and there was a doll on the first car. We thought they were Armenians, but the cars started to honk loudly. They were Azerbaijanis, and they were immediately allowed through. -Zinaida: The driver waved his hand as if to say 'get out of the way.' The whole crowd parted and the procession passed through freely. -Gayane: By the way, at the marriage hall, which is right in the courtyard of our building, there was a wedding that day. The Azerbaijanis were cele- brating and dancing. On the streets there was grief and death, people were being killed, and people were celebrating the whole time. -Zinaida: Before the apartment itself was attacked I asked Gaya to call and find out when the tourist bus was supposed to arrive. She went to her girlfriend's in the building, she lives in the first entryway, on the third floor. Gaya came back and said, ""Mamma, the bus is supposed to come around eight, after eight."" You can imagine what I was feeling, how hard it was: Vika knew nothing about what was happening and was coming to meet her death. Then I heard shouting. I raced to the window and see that the belongings of our neighbors from the second entryway are being thrown outdoors. They were thrashing about with the pillows and the feathers were lying like snow. I started to cry. I am walking around the room, crying, wailing: Vika's not here, what will come of her . . . Gaya, of course, was consoling me: ""Mamma, nothing will happen to her, don't worry, calm down, she's in good company, they'll look out for her."" Diana: I saw the green car burn. The car was burning when we went out onto the balcony. Gaya pushed me away, telling me to get off the balcony. I left. Then they came up to the balcony and asked if there were any Armenians here. -Zinaida: You're right, I forgot about that, that was on the 27th. Diana: There's a small, grassy area in front of our balcony; there are trees planted there. The mob asked if there were any Armenians in the building. All the neighbors said, no, there are no Armenians here. There weren't a lot of Armenians in our building, but there weren't just a few Armenian families, either. -Gayane: They fell upon the apartments on the 28th. There were terribly many of them. Our courtyard is huge, and it was completely filled with them. -Zinaida: Katusev had made an appearance on television earlier. He said that two people, Azerbaijanis, had been killed in Karabagh. And when he said that . . . you know how bees sound, have you heard how they buzz? It was like the buzzing of millions of bees . . . and with this buzzing they flew into our courtyard, howling and shouting. I don't know how to describe it. By this point we were afraid to watch from the balcony, but when I looked out of the bedroom window--the Znaniye Bookstore is down there, and Armenians live on the second and fourth floors--I saw their things being thrown out the windows. I realized that they would be upon us any minute. I shouted to Gayane, ""Gaya, hide the gold."" That's honestly what I told my child. I grabbed Diana. I didn't know what to do! Vika still wasn't home, and it was already getting dark. I was afraid to look at the time because I was already horrified as it was. -Gayane: Just in case, we changed the television channel from the Moscow station to the Azerbaijani one. -Zinaida: And turned it up loud. -Gayane: We never listened to Azerbaijani music. It just didn't do much for us. In all those years we almost never listened to it. But sometimes we would watch some entertainment show or film on Azerbaijani television. And that was it. And here we had it turned up full blast. So they would think we were Azerbaijanis. -Zinaida: Well you can imagine, they're slaughtering Armenians, robbing them, and we're listening to this concert music from Baku. Our Azerbaijani neighbors suggested we do it, they knocked on the door and told Gaya to turn on Azerbaijani music. But we already had it on anyway. Turn on the lights, they told us, so they will think you're not Armenians. They're saying the Armenians are afraid to turn on their lights, they're hiding. -Gayane: Apparently there was some kind of arrangement, because we noticed that the lights were off only in Armenian apartments, that is, the Azerbaijanis were warned, and every last one of them had their lights on. When we turned the lights off two of our neighbors came immediately, and later, another one. ""Turn on the lights,"" they told us, ""please. Nothing will happen. Be calm. Nothing will happen."" -Zinaida: ""We won't allow them to come into your apartment."" -Gayane: We believed those people. We had never done anything bad to them. -Zinaida: After the whole nightmare, about March 15, before we left for Armenia, when I was coming into the building they were all crying. The Azerbaijanis were crying, saying, ""Can it be there is no God? How could they raise their hands against your family? You never did anyone any harm, you never refused anyone anything, not in hard times, or in time of fortune, or in time of mourning. How could they give you away? How could they sell you down the river?"" They really had given us away. Some of them protected us, but others gave us away. They sold us down the river. -Gayane: I was wearing slacks that day, and when it all began I became cautious for some reason and I changed my clothes. Azerbaijani women don't wear pants. Young Armenian and Russian girls in Sumgait wore pants, but the Azerbaijanis found that very strange. And I thought I better put on a skirt, otherwise they won't believe me if I told them we were Azerbaijanis. There was nothing else we could do. No other way out. I was forced to turn myself into God knows who. I let my hair down, tousled it, and threw a scarf over my head. -Zinaida: And she told me, ""Mamma, you hide. Take Diana and go into the other room. You two look more like Armenians. They'll figure out that we're Armenians right away."" But how could I go away and leave her there?! -Gayane: I went out onto the balcony. It worked out better that way. We were the only Armenian family in the fourth entryway. This gave us hope: we were the only ones, the neighbors wouldn't let them in. They, the Azerbaijanis, would fear for themselves and for their children. I looked and saw someone crawling up on the balcony from below, it was easy to get up onto our balcony. When we would lose the keys the neighbors would let up into their places and we would crawl across onto our balcony and get in that way. So I turned around and saw a guy with a knife on our balcony. He looks at me and shouts, ""What nationality are you here?"" -Zinaida: At the same time they were knocking on the door. -Gayane: ""What nationality are you?"" he's shouting. Well at first I was frightened, but then I got control of myself and answered in perfect Azerbaijani, ""You should be ashamed of yourself, asking a question like that. Can't you see I'm an Azerbaijani? If I were an Armenian would I come out to meet you face to face and look you in the eyes?"" He looks at me and tells the people with him, ""Yes, Azerbaijanis live here."" From below they tell him, ""Check it out, it can't be, they have to be Armenians."" And he asks me again, ""What nationality are you?"" I say, ""Can't you see?"" I started fuming. I could not say anything else. ""You're blind, that's for sure! You can yell all you want, but that won't make us Armenians."" I hear them breaking down our door, and Mamma went toward the door. I say, ""I don't have time to deal with you, they're breaking down our door."" 1 go to the door and ask, ""Who is it?"" They answer, ""Open up!"" I say, ""Wait, why are you breaking the door? What's going on? I'm opening up."" We never locked the lower lock, it was broken, but now they had locked it out of fear, and I couldn't get it open. I say wait, I'm looking for the key. I opened the door--it was almost broken down already. I opened the door and they burst in. I say, ""What's going on? Why are you breaking down our door?"" -Zinaida: Then they started climbing in from the balcony. They're shouting, ""Why don't you open the door?"" And I say, ""Well you've already come in the balcony."" Then Diana sees their knives, runs into the bathroom, and closes the door. Gaya cries out, ""Mamma, Diana ran into the bathroom!"" I ran to the door and forgot that we were pretending to be Azerbaijanis, and said in Armenian: ""Diana, open the door!"" Gaya tried to calm them down, and I'm shouting with tears in my eyes for Diana to open the door. -Diana I was sitting on the couch with my doll, Little Red Riding Hood. That guy climbed in from the balcony with a big knife with a yellow handle. They put it up to Mamma's stomach. I ran to the bathroom, opened the door, and slammed it behind me. I was frightened, and started to cry. I shouted, ""Mamma, they want to kill you!"" And then . . . then they started shouting, ""Give us your passports."" And Gaya says, ""What do you need passports for, we're Azerbaijanis."" -Gayane: I tried to convince them that we were Azerbaijanis, I was trying everything I could, I could get on my knees and plead. I could humble myself, because at that moment I was worried about other lives than just my own. To be honest I didn't care about anything else, as long as my little sister would survive, her life and health had cost us so dearly! I tell them, ""What, don't you understand anything?"" They started shouting, they were tremendously excited, shouting with terribly loud voices, saying that in Stepanakert their girls were being killed, raped, and tossed around with pitchforks. Why shouldn't they do the same to us? I said, ""Who's doing all that? Who is doing it? Some Armenians! What does that have to do with us? Give me the knife, I'll cut my own face."" ""Now you calm down,"" they tell me. Zinaida: I told them, ""Why didn't you deal with them there! There, in Karabakh? Nothing has happened here, no one has been fighting here, not we with the Armenians, nor they with us. Why didn't you give it right back to them there? What've we got to do with this?"" I got confused. I had been saying that we were Azerbaijanis, but suddenly I started speaking as though I were an Armenian, but they didn't notice. One of them was next to me, with a knife at my breast. And he says to the others, ""What pretty girls."" He meant Gaya and my 10-year-old Diana. I was terrified. Gaya started assuring them that we were Azerbaijanis. One guy stood in the doorway and gave us bad looks. -Gayane: He demanded the passports. I said, ""Young man, I don't have my passport here."" He says, ""Let's have the passport, we won't believe you without your passport."" And one of them started hurriedly searching for documents. They turned the wardrobe in the other room upside down, took the picture off the wall, and started pulling the clothes off their hooks, yelling and shouting, ""Passport! Passport!"" They all started yelling, there was so much noise in the apartment. They were all shouting. My hair stood on end. Suddenly I said, ""Listen, my Papa died, 40 days haven't passed yet, we have a Muslim household, we're in mourning, you should be ashamed of yourselves, you've disgraced your honor."" And then Mamma started to cry. -Zinaida: I started crying: ""My husband died, 40 days haven't yet passed, aren't you ashamed of yourselves!"" In fact my husband had died seven years earlier, in 1981. ""We're in mourning, and you burst in here demanding docu- ments. The documents are at the housing office, I'm filing for my pension."" Well it seemed like they believed us. Then one guy said, ""They're Lezgins. Can't you see, there are no men here, only women. Leave."" Another fellow in the group agreed with him, he also said that we were Lezgins. But a third said, ""No, they're Armenians."" Well the other two convinced him, I don t know how, and all the rest of them listened to them too. There were about 50 of them, if not more, all in our three-room apartment, even the entryway was filled. They started leaving. Yes, we're Lezgins, we're Lezgins."" They started leaving, and one of them took our tape recorder with him. And the one who had first called us Lezgins says, ""Leave that, what are you doing?"" They seemed to obey that guy. -Gayane: He was tall, wearing baggy jeans and a coat. -Zinaida: With a little moustache, I think. -Gayane: No, he didn't have a moustache, he was tall with brown hair, he wasn't a bad-looking sort. He didn't have anything in his hands. -Zinaida: He stood at the threshold. -Gayane: Yes, he didn't look like a bad guy, and you know, his face seemed familiar to me. I had seen him somewhere. And more than once. But I can't remember where. When he came in I was stupefied, I had a premonition that he wouldn't be able to remain indifferent. When he said that we were Lezgins and that they should leave, such gladness started to glow inside of me. Hope. They continued to argue on their way out. Some said, ""They're Armenians all the same."" And that fellow answered, ""even if they are Armenians, it's shameful, the father died, they're mourning, there's nothing but women in the house, there's no men. We should stay out of the apartment."" ""What do you mean, stay out? We can go in there!"" And he said, ""No, we should stay out, they're Lezgins, we're leaving here."" The three of them protected us. -Zinaida: No, the two of them. The one in the short coat and the one in the grey suit, who stood at the threshold, about 19 or 20 years old. Well they were all young really. The two of them defended us. -Diana: Three, three! -Zinaida: Do you remember the third one, Diana? -Diana: Yes, he was wearing dark clothes. -Gayane: The third one was the one who came back. He wore a long brown coat. -Diana: He wore a long, darkish brown coat, and his hair was dark too. When they left, they told him downstairs that those women were Armenians, and ran back and said that they were going to kill us. -Zinaida: They had all left, and we had started to calm down a little, and I closed the door. And then there is a knock. I told Gaya, ""Take Diana and go into the other room."" My daughters went into the dining room, and I opened the door. There was a guy there who said, ""Run, hide! They're coming to kill you now!"" We ran up to the third floor. We had some good neighbors up there, Azerbaijanis. I sent the kids and stood there alone, not knowing what to do. I was so far gone . . . Out of a whole room I couldn't even think of anything to take. I even forgot to take my work documents; at the time I had been preparing a report to send to Baku, and the documents were at home. I couldn't see anything . . . I could only see Vika, my older daughter. I sent Gaya and Diana upstairs, and stood there asking that fellow, ""Should I close the door and leave everything like this?"" He says, ""What do you mean, door? Get out of here, they're coming to kill you! What are you standing there for?"" And I ran after the children. -Gayane: We barely had time to get up to the third floor when they burst into our apartment and started shouting, ""Where are the Armenians?"" We were already at the neighbors'. They had an infant at the time, and the neighbor said, ""Don't you worry, I'm not letting anyone in this apartment no matter what."" -Zinaida: On the third floor there I started asking the folks, our neighbors, to go meet Vika. The bus was due to arrive at eight o'clock. I dissolved in tears, Gaya was soothing me, Diana was next to us, she was crying too, and I'm already thinking that I've lost my older daughter, but deep in my heart I still believe she's alive . . . And my tears choked me. I was going out of my mind. But no one could leave the building, the courtyard was packed with people, swarming with them. From the balcony the neighbor in whose apartment we were hiding asked the bandits, ""Where are those Armenians, the ones who were at home? Where did they make off to?"" They told him they didn't know. They asked him where he lived. He answered, ""Can't you see, on the third floor."" He asked them specially to divert attention from his own apartment. We heard them taking free reign of our apartment, and they threw our color television off the balcony and it exploded. -Gayane: Mamma was crying the whole time. She fell into a faint and we brought her around and held her back, because the whole time she kept making for the door to go outside, alternately raving and sobbing, shouting, and calling Vika. She didn't notice us, probably because we were next to her. Her thoughts were only on Vika. The neighbors who were hiding us were calming her too, offering tea. -Zinaida: We are very grateful to them. Thanks to them my children and I are alive, well, and unharmed. When they were throwing our belongings out and burning them--the beds, the pillows, and the chairs--our neighbor came to us and said, ""How lucky you are that it's not you standing there naked, but some other woman instead. You're from our part of the building you lost your husband, you have children, thank God you're not in her position, we wouldn't have been able to take it. I don't know what I would do."" He of course wouldn't have done anything, he was just trying to calm us down. In the yard they were torturing our neighbors, fellow Armenians They lived on the fifth floor, in the third entryway. A married couple, Vanya and Nina, and their three children. Their last name is V. They hid their two daughters, and stayed with their son to defend themselves, they even got boiling water ready, and an axe, and held them off for a long time, but the . . . They beat up the husband, dragged the wife outside, and stood her naked next to our burning things; her husband was lying at her feet on the ground. The crowd shouted, ""Look at the naked Armenian!"" They were going to throw the poor woman into the fire. The neighbors came out, an Azerbaijani woman threw her a scarf, and she covered herself with it, and the neighbors led her off to their apartment. All the neighbors saw and heard it . . . -Gayane: Mamma wouldn't allow it but I went to the window and saw her standing there, and they took skewers that had been heated in the fire and stuck them into her body. Our neighbor, who lived in the same entryway as Nina--she lives with us in the same boarding house now--saw what they had done, Nina showed her, from her knees up, almost up to her neck, her whole body was covered, riddled, with wounds. -Zinaida: In the morning, during the night of the 29th, rather, after one o'clock, two buses approached the station. I wanted to run out. By then I didn't care any more if I lived or died, but Gayane wouldn't let me go, and the neighbors said that I would bring disaster to them and they would be slain along with their children. Gaya was crying and said that I forgot about them, my other children, but I could only think of Vika. I imagined her torn to pieces, I'm a mother, and they're just children, they don't understand I would have jumped off the balcony and run to the soldiers for help. I was going to do it but Gayane wouldn't let me: ""Mamma, please! Mamma, I beg of you!"" The neighbors were sleeping and Gayane woke them with her cries. So we held on that way till morning. On the morning of the 29th I told our neighbor I was going to go downstairs to our apartment, maybe Vika was lying there, murdered. He told me he would go himself. He was gone for about five minutes, but it seemed like an eternity to me. He returned and said there was no one there, nothing. I went down too, stole down like a mouse, and slipped in everything was thrown all about. I didn't go to the soldiers because the armored personnel carriers were far away, farther than the bus station. I began looking for the briefcase with my work in it. I was miserable because of my daughter, and at the same time because of my work. My documents were there, my travel papers--I worked in the transport division -- and my trip sheets. -Gayane: Mamma is a very responsible person, she was always ready to work around the clock to do her job. -Zinaida: I look around and I can't find the briefcase. I didn't care about the fact that everything had been stolen out of all three of my rooms, that everything was smashed, and the furniture was broken, I worried about that later, but at first I was concerned about the lost documents. I went into the kitchen. My daughter had hidden some valuables in the gas stove: my ring and my earrings. It was all there. Five minutes passed and Gayane ran in and said, ""Mamma, hurry."" And Diana came downstairs too. Gayane found her coat among the debris, and Diana found her track shoes, her coat, and some of her dresses. -Diana: Immediately after we got back up to the neighbors they started throwing things around in the apartment under us. They threw a television onto the asphalt, it exploded so violently it sounded like a thunderclap. Then, when Vika wasn't there, I wouldn't eat, and they forced me, but I couldn't eat. Because I loved Vika terribly and she and I had always gone to the movies and gone for walks in the park. When we went into our apartment the next day and everything was broken, right away I started looking for my dolls and my books, but I didn't see anything. When we went back upstairs I managed to take two cups from my tea service, and Gaya took Vika's suit and one of her own dresses. My Italian boots were gone, my brown coat, it was beautiful, there wasn't a one of my beautiful dolls, and my giant lion was gone too, the one that had been on top of the television. He was very large and very handsome. I had two satchels, one for first grade and the other for second grade, one was yellow-green with a boy and a girl on it, they're playing a drum and a violin, and there is a dog sitting there closing its ears, and on the other one were the letters A, B, C, D, E and the numbers 4+5, two girls and a boy with their mouths open like they are singing. They were beautiful satchels. They were gone too. I had many books, I collected them, they were in the bedside tables. And a boy had given me a little apron and a headband for my birthday, they weren't around either. And I had some big books, fat ones, and they disappeared, only one was left, The Malachite Box. The Adventures of Karlson, Pippi Longstockings, and Fairy Tales of the World were left. All the other books were gone. -Zinaida: I continued searching for my briefcase, and then my supervisor arrived. He had waited for me until nine o'clock, but I didn't appear, and he thought something must have happened, so he came. He's a Russian, Aleksei Semyonovich Lomakin. Alik Aliyev, the mechanic, came with him. When they saw my wrecked apartment they were just petrified, they could not say a thing. When I saw them I started crying. My Azerbaijani neighbors came in. Some of them were crying, others were helping me pick up. I go on looking for my documents and at the same time put things into the wardrobe. Now that I remember it it's both funny and painful: How could I have thought that I had returned to my apartment and that everything had gone back to normal? Incidentally, later, when I went back to the apartment again those things were gone too. And the door was gone. After my supervisor left, in the afternoon, the neighbor said that we should leave, find another refuge. ""I'm afraid,"" he said, ""that someone saw you come to my apartment, and that they could kill you and us too. My God, where could I go it was daytime and those . . . I don't even know what to call them, the bandits, those marauders, those jackals, I don't know what to call them, I can't find the words, they were everywhere. Where should I go with two girls? When I opened the door I had tears in my eyes, and I was terrified . . . And he said, ""Go to Alik's, he's an Azerbaijani, too."" and I say, ""You should have said that earlier, when my supervisor was here with the car, he could have taken us with him."" Everyone feared for their own lives. What could I do? I went out into the entryway and stood. And he says, ""any other time I would keep you here a year, or two. But right now, I'm sorry . . . "" Then another door opened, also on the third floor. I ask the neighbor, ""Tayara, can we hide at your place?"" She's an Azerbaijani too. She says, ""What kind of question is that? Come in!"" She hid us. There were many people in the courtyard, and Gaya and I hid in the wardrobe, and they put Diana under a mattress, leaving a small opening so the child could breathe. Tayara said that when the bandits left she would let us out, and when they came back she would hide us again. We sat in the wardrobe for about a half hour. Gaya became ill, and I allowed her to get out. My legs fell asleep and felt like cannons. We hadn't eaten or drunk anything for so long, since the 27th, when we saw that horror--and all of it just snapped in me. Tayara's husband went outside, even though I begged him to stay, saying there should be a man in the house. He said that he'd be in the courtyard, and if anything happened his wife would signal him. She put her passport and all of their documents on the table so if they suddenly came in she could show them that they were an Azerbaijani family. My girls went to the window--and what was going on out there! I feared for my children, that someone would recognize them from the street. Gaya let her hair down and put on a scarf so she would resemble an Azerbaijani, but directly across there was a 9-story building, their windows were right across from us, and I shouted that someone would see her and give us away on the spot. But she kept on looking. -Diana: I watched too. -Zinaida: Downstairs the bandits were fighting with the soldiers. The soldiers didn't shoot, they didn't have orders to. I saw them throwing rocks at the soldiers, they were young boys, 18- and 19-year olds, and they defended themselves . . . I'm a mother after all, and they were no different from my children. When one of the soldiers fell and his head started bleeding I had to stop looking, l couldn't watch anymore . . . I imagined my children in their shoes . . . -Gayane: The troops had assumed their defense that morning and had cordoned off the buildings, and some of the soldiers surrounded the bus station, Block 36, and our Microdistrict 3. But they only cordoned them off from the outside. The mob fell upon the soldiers, who started to protect themselves, and the mob surged into the courtyard with the soldiers after it. They caught several Azerbaijanis and started beating them with their clubs. One fell down and they cracked open another's head . . . -Zinaida: They show Lebanon on television, and the war in Afghanistan--that's just what it was like. Like in America, how they attack demonstrations with shields and clubs--that's just how it was in our courtyard. -Gayane: Don't compare it with America, those were peaceful demonstrations, but these?! -Zinaida: But how could it happen here and not off somewhere in America! They attacked the soldiers, hurled stones at them . . . Then I thought, where's the tear gas that the Americans use to disperse demonstrators? If they had used gas on those jackals they all would have scattered. -Gayane: They would not have scattered. The soldiers had been there since morning, they didn't bring in fresh troops. They hadn't eaten, they were fine standing there for about three hours, but then they got tired. They weren't even allowed to sit down . . . At noon they, the soldiers, attacked them, and then the tables were turned. The mob went after the soldiers, the guys were bunched into a group in the center street and covered themselves with their shields, and the Azerbaijanis surrounded them and threw paving stones at them. And those guys sat there covering themselves with their shields. And meanwhile tanks with machine guns were cruising the streets . . . They always say, ""Our children have never seen war."" I never even dreamed about it, there was no need to. But then I thought about those people who had lived through a war. It was truly horrible . . . The guys were tired, exhausted, some had had their clubs taken away, others, their shields, they had been beaten, they were covered in blood . . . so many died! They beat the soldiers with their own clubs and shields. And those guys stood there and couldn't defend themselves, they couldn't open fire. They couldn't even defend themselves, let alone us. It's comical . . . -Zinaida: What are you saying? How can it be funny? -Gayane: No, I didn't mean that: How could something like that happen during our Soviet period? It's painfully embarrassing! And they burned the armored personnel carriers, too. Someone shouted, ""Get away, it's going to blow!"" Everyone scattered away, and the armored personnel carrier exploded. The soldiers lost their senses. And when they drove the personnel carrier and the bus at the mob out of rage and fury, they drove right up on the sidewalk. -Zinaida: The bus that had brought the troops. Only the driver was in it. The bus ran over three people straight off, I saw it. And two armored personnel carriers ran over four more. All in one or two minutes. The bus ran over three, one of the carriers ran over two, and the second, two more. Right on our street there's a dry cleaners and appliance and watch repair places; one of the armored personnel carriers went that way, and they say it ran over several over there, too. But they ran over seven before our eyes. Then the bus ploughed into a book kiosk. -Gayane: No, that was a flower place. It was a new booth. He drove straight into it. -Zinaida: The driver jumped out and they dragged the vehicle out to the middle of the road and set it on fire. -Gayane: And I also saw the troops put a bunch of Azerbaijanis in a bus and take them in a convoy to Baku. There were many arrests. -Zinaida: Our neighbor, the one who hid us, couldn't take it, and he told his wife that we should leave. They were running around in the courtyard looking for the Armenians. They knew that they were hiding with Azerbaijanis, and they were saying that they were going to check the Azerbaijani families. Poor Tayara got scared too, and started to cry; I pleaded with her, I said that I would remember forever how she saved my children and me, but where could we go? -Gayane: She didn't make us leave, she said that she would do anything, but she was afraid. -Zinaida: I told Tayara that we would just stay a little longer and that at night we would return to our apartment. Then her husband came back and said that a curfew had been imposed. He says, ""Zina, you owe us a drink. Gorbachev announced a curfew."" And Bagirov [First Secretary of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan SSR] was on television, he said that two people had been killed in Karabagh, but nothing was wrong, automobile windows had been broken, but there hadn't been any killings. He kept making statements, and there were Azerbaijani songs and dances. Tayara turned the TV all the way up. When we learned of the curfew we calmed down, but then a crowd ran into the courtyard again, a large one. Our neighbor told them that there had been only one Armenian family here, but they had already killed them all, there was no one left. We hid in the wardrobe again. and they stuck Diana back under the bed. -Gayane: Tayara went down to our apartment to see what was happened there, and found two bandits. They asked her, ""What are you doing here"" Tayara answered, ""I came to take something for myself."" ""Take all you want, they're gone now."" -Zinaida: Yes, she had wanted to get something for us, at least some bedding. She said, ""What are you going to do, empty handed, naked, with three children, nothing remains of your entire apartment."" In short, we calmed down, and the crowd raced off to the other building, the one across from us. I don't know what went on there. -Gayane: The curfew had its effect on the gangs, many started to disperse: they were warned that they would open fire on them. The soldiers didn't know the city, they couldn't get oriented, they drove up and down the main streets, but didn't go into the courtyards. When we were at the City Party Committee they asked people from Sumgait to go with them and show them the way. -Zinaida: The tanks entered the city on the night of the 29th. -Gayane: No, Mamma, the tanks had been there earlier, but were near the City Party Committee, where the Armenians were . . . After midnight, on March 1, when I had finally gotten to sleep after two sleepless nights, Mamma said, ""Get your things together, they have sent buses for us."" As it was we had been dressed the entire time. Mamma went to check it out . . .and came back for us. -Zinaida: When I came back for the children Tayara said that Vika was alive and well, some guys had come and told her that they had hidden her in a safe place. I both believed it and didn't believe it. We ran out to the tanks. The Gambarians were there, Roman and Sasha; their father, Shurik, the clarinetist, was killed, and their mother was there. Sasha came over and asked about the girls. I was surprised, how did he know my girls? He said that he knew me and the girls. Our neighbor himself went for Gaya and Diana and it seemed like he was taking forever so I went after him. Another neighbor came out, Anna Vasilyevna, a Russian: ""Zinochka, my dear, goodbye and good luck."" She kissed Diana. They put us in the bus and the captain gave the order for us to be taken to the City Party Committee. The bus wouldn't start, so they put us on another one. It was pouring rain. -Diana: When they imposed the curfew there were many soldiers on the streets, and they all had clubs and shields. And when the Azerbaijanis attacked them, many of the soldiers died. They threw paving stones--huge rocks--at the soldiers. I saw this myself. The soldiers ran over those Azerbaijanis with the tanks. The soldiers saw that the Azerbaijanis were doing violence to people and they ran over them out of rage. We got scared and they hid me under a mattress and a blanket, and Gaya and Mamma crawled into the wardrobe. And they were fighting right down there on the street . . . Near the building they were blowing up buses and tanks, and cars were burning, and there were many dead in the courtyard. They drove without looking to see if it was a sidewalk or a street, they just drove, and the ones who didn't manage to get out of the way were run over by the tanks. And when we left--it was evening, it was already dark--there were three buses, and one of them had soldiers in it. Mamma ran up and said, ""Get your clothes on, let's go."" Gaya was wearing slippers, and I had on my blue dress, but it was an old one. I was wearing my old jacket, my old dress, and slippers. And nothing else. Gaya had on a skirt, her Angora sweater, and slippers. It was raining hard, and there were puddles on the street. They gave Mamma an old coat because she was wearing a short-sleeved dress; she put it on and we ran out. We got onto the bus and I was hungry, one of the soldiers from Yerevan gave me rations and carried me from one bus to the other in his arms. I gave him the little glass that remained from Vika's trousseau, and he gave me his telephone number. -Gayane: In the bus there was a soldier with a shield sitting at every window. We had to be ready for anything. They took us to the City Party Committee, let us out, and then took us into the City Party Committee building under armed guard. It was jammed with people and you couldn't breathe. We asked, ""Are these all us? Armenians?"" They answered yes. We were surprised that there were so many Armenians in Sumgait. All those years we lived there and didn't know there were so many Armenians, 18,000. We were struck by that, we had never noticed. Going downstairs the next day I ran into the Secretary of the Komsomol from Vika's plant, the Khimprom. He said that Vika was alive and well. When I told Mamma she of course calmed down some more. But you know, after all that it was hard to believe anything, our faith in everything was just gone. She didn't believe it completely. -Zinaida: I didn't believe it because I had heard all kinds of things. When we arrived at the City Party Committee we heard everything imaginable! It was the fear of God. I saw many of our acquaintances, they were kissing each other and asking how their children and homes were. Many people already knew that there had been a pogrom of our apartment. They had seen the broken windows. I cried, saying that I didn't know where Vika was. One woman said that they had taken two of her daughters and that she couldn't find one of them; the other had been slashed all over. A second said that her husband and her son had been murdered. That was Nelli Aramian. She lived in Building 6 in our microdistrict. They killed her husband, Armo, and her son Artur. I heard so many things like that that I was already starting to lose touch; my patience had run dry waiting for my daughter. Later an Azerbaijani fellow came to me and said, Aunt Zina, Vika sent me, she's alive and well and hidden in a safe place; if you want I'll call her there and you can speak with her. We went downstairs to the first floor and he called Vika. I spoke with her, heard the voice of my child. She had managed to survive in that hell. Then I started begging that Azerbaijani to bring her to the City Party Committee. He tried to talk me out of it: ""I'll bring her wherever you go, don't worry, I've looked after her better than a brother does a sister."" All the same I asked him to get her. He brought her and I calmed down. On the second day there was a meeting with Demichev [Member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the USSR,] and people started shouting. One shouted, ""Give me my son back!"", another yelled, ""Where is my daughter?!"", a third wanted her husband . . . Bagirov was there too, and he stood there blinking, not saying anything. -Gayane: When Demichev asked where we wanted to go, everyone shouted, ""To Russia!"" To be honest we were all frightened of Armenia, there were such wild rumors it was as though we were in a terrible dream, and no one wanted to go to Armenia. But he said that he couldn't evacuate 18,000 people to Russia and that he would meet with everyone individually the next day and speak with them. And he also said that today he was going to go look at all of our apartments. On March 3 we went to the military barracks in the village of Nasosny. We were taken care of marvelously by the military. They sent special flights of children right from there to Minvody, Yerevan, and Moscow. One woman left for Moscow with a letter for Gorbachev and Gromyko. -Zinaida: The worst was truly behind us by then. Everything had passed, but the pain will remain for our whole lives. It cannot be forgotten. Under no circumstances should we, our children, or our grandchildren forget. Who will answer for those who died? For our mothers, sisters, brother, sons and daughters? Who will bear the responsibility? Who will wash away their blood? Someone should be made to answer, and severely, so it has an effect on the people that did with us as they pleased . . . It isn't over yet, now we live here, in Armenia, protected, but the issue isn't resolved. We would like to stay in Armenia, in our homeland, so that all the Armenian people will be united. Then we will be invincible. Armenians won't be scattered throughout the Soviet Union, about the world, and if we're all together this won't happen again. As a mother of three children, as a woman, as a sister, I ask Armenians to be united so that what happened in Sumgait will never happen again. Our homeland . . . The only request we have is that we be helped in obtaining an apartment and getting jobs. So that our children can work for the good of Armenia. If we aren't able to, then let our children do it. And if it's possible, we'll work for the good of Armenia too. This is the land of our forefathers. Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers lived here too, it was only later that people dispersed all over. Like a mother, the land here bore and reared us. It is our wife, and will protect us, too. I want but one thing: that our people never see the hardship that our children saw, that your children here, in Armenia, never see anything like it. May 28, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 187-203 ",talk.politics.mideast 2971," Yup, I think you're right. My mistake. Now, how do I make an ""R"" backwards using a computer keyboard? I'll bet the gods know how (this is alt.atheism, after all). Tell you what, if all my ""R""s start coming out backwards when I type from now on, I'll become a believer. (And that's not asking for miracles. If I asked for a miracle, I'd ask for a real miracle, like for Pat Buchanan to become an out-of-the-closet drag queen - well...maybe that wouldn't be so miraculous, but I think he'd look fabulous in a feather boa and a sequined hat like Mia Farrow wore in Gatsby.)",alt.atheism 2972,"What we call today the ""Old Testament"" was being written up to approx- imately 168 BCE, according to most modern scholars. Aside from the book of Daniel, the whole OT predates Alexander (the Great). These books were written (predominantly) in Hebrew. There were also other books being written at about this time and later by Greek-speaking, or ""Hellenistic"", Jews. These books are those which are reckoned by many denominations as ""Apocrypha"". Before the closing of the Writings, the third part of what is today called the canon, all of the books were in use by Jews of the day. However, there were those who reckoned (based on Zech. 13) that prophecy had ceased. This faction maintained that there were no true prophets in their day. They also maintained that literature of a prophetic character could not be genuine teachings from God. By the time of c.65 CE, another faction had entered the mess. Christians had come in claiming that THEIR writings were also suitable to be read in synagogues and used for worship. Therefore, the Palestinian Jewish leaders got together and stated that the books written from the time of Ben Sira (Sirach) onward were not sacred writings. They justified this from Zech. 13. In particular, they said, the writings of the Christians (called heretics) were not inspired. At about 90 CE, they codified things further by closing the canon in somewhat of an official sense at the Council of Jamnia. A few books (Ecclesi- astes, Song of Songs, Esther) made it in after that date, but these were those which had been written prior to the official cut off point (the time of Ben Sira) for inclusion that they had established in order to keep out the Christian and Hellenistic writings. Jerome excluded the 'apocrypha' because they were not in use by Jews of his day and because they were (except for Sirach) not found in Hebrew in his time. His criterion for separating them from the other pre-Christian writings was not based on 'inspiration'.",soc.religion.christian 2973,"Message-ID: <1993Apr26.202714.4519@Virginia.EDU> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 20:27:14 GMT First, the following two quite normal phrases: ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ and then he shows us what HE means by ""intelligent and unoffending manner"" and ""INTELLIGENT conversation"": ^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...deleted lines...] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...deleted lines...] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...deleted lines...] Later he reveals the truth: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...deleted lines...] Shurely he IS an anti-Semite (call it anti-Jew), maybe BECAUSE he is ""part Jewish"" (e.g. his mother might have *dated* a Jew who didn't marry her, and so she got a little bastard whom she taught hatred). He is also a coward since he doesn't dare to sign with his name. At the end he signs with a highly intelligent and intellectual phrase: Message-ID: <1993Apr26.203425.4824@Virginia.EDU> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 20:34:25 GMT The Nazis might also have sent this bastard to the gas chambers because of his ""part Jewish""ness (only that he is not aware of it). PS: I wonder what kind of educational institution is @virginia.edu. Could it be the ""Free KKK-University of Virginia"" ? ;-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manfredo Tichauer M. EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de Opitzstrasse 14 VOICE : (++ 49 40) 27.42.27 2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY FAX : (++ 49 40) 270.53.09",talk.politics.mideast 2974,"I have found a situation which I think is a bug in X or Motif, but I'm hoping is really just a mistake on my part. Does anyone know anything about this problem........ - I am using an XmTextField, and setting its XmNvalue to a hardcoded text string (ascii or Kanji) either via XtSetValues or XmTextSetString. The problem is that when the XmTextField is displayed, the text is getting truncated, depending on the setting of the environment variables LANG (more specifically LC_ALL). When they are set to japanese, the text gets truncated. When they are set to english, everything works fine. I am taking the default for XmNcolumns. (Please note that hardcoding of text is NOT done in my actual application, just in my sample code to make things easier) - I am running Motif 1.2, X11R5 via HPUX9.01. My test program is set up to handle 16 bit Kanji characters. I have remembered to do XtSetLanguageProc() prior to my MrmInitialize and my font resources are set to japanese fonts. - Don't know if this matters, but my dialog box and TextField is initially created with UIL. The problem does NOT happen with XmText. Unfortunately substituting XmTextFields with XmTexts in my application is not an acceptable alternative (way too much code to be modified while in beta!) I have a small test program which illustrates the problem if anyone wants it. My best guess is that either the X code or Motif is not properly allocating memory for japanese, but since I don't have the source to look at it is just a guess. Please let me know if this sounds familiar, or if you have a suggestion, or if you want the sample program. THANKS!!!!!!!! - Susan ",comp.windows.x 2975," I definitely do. That's why I don't like going to see games played on artificial turf :-) Well, your idea of ""interesting"" differs from mine. I think batting practice is interesting, for example, and make a special effort to get to the game very early in order to see it. I think the delaying tactics of batters, pitchers, catchers, and managers are interesting because they're attempts to gain advantage through control of the flow and timing of the game. Of course, the umpires can, and should, intervene when these tactics get out of hand. As Ryan Robbins has pointed out, there are rules that cover this. One of the more fascinating things about baseball, I think, is its open-endedness with regard to time. You never know if the game is going to zip right by and be over in less than two hours, or if it's going to go on until four in the morning. Likewise, some games are action-packed, and some games are slow and lazy. That's fine by me. Those folks who want constant action should watch the games on TV so they can channel- surf and cater to their short attention spans.",rec.sport.baseball 2976," I don't remember the formula's off hand as it has been awhile since I took aerodynamics and haven't used the stuff since. The Cd is related to the drag force which is what effects top speed and fuel consumption. When the drag force on the car or aircraft is greater than what the vehicle's engine can overcome it has reached its top speed. (autos of course also have to overcome rolling resistance) Since drag opposes the vehicle's motion, the engine must make up for that by burning more fuel. Anyway, since the geometery of an auto is rather complex, the Drag,pressure coeffiecent,etc is either found experimentaly, or using a numerical method. anyway for flow around a cylinder the drag coeff is: Cd = d/(q*2R) where d is the drag force, q the flow velocity and R is the radius of the clyinder. To get a rough (very rough) estimate, you can set R at 1/2 the car's width, q at the car's speed and knowing the Cd, find the drag force that the car would need to overcome. ",rec.autos 2977,"My wife has requested that I poll the Sages of Usenet to see what is known about the use of chromium in weight-control diet suppliments. She has seen multiple products advertising it and would like any kind real information. My first impulse was ""Yuck! a metal!"" but I have zero data on it. What do you know? ",sci.med 2978," No joke. Here's another copy for you to save. NPR, hmmm? Did they mention the part about ""The fact of law enforcement access to the escrowed keys will not be concealed from the American public."" ...? ------------------------------------------------------------------------",talk.politics.guns 2979," A program called Mac-ette allows you to read Mac 3.5"" high-density disks on a DOS machine. You can get the program from simtel-20. I'm not sure of the directory location. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2980," A-hem. Two words: Russell Davis. Playing in the cavern at Albany (AA) last year (375/410/385 down the alleys and to center), Davis went .285/.355/.483 with 22 homers. There aren't any small parks on the road in the Eastern League, either. He's 23(!) and his MLE was .258/.308/.416, 17 HR. I have no fielding statistics, but from seeing him a number of times last year I'd say that he's not Brooks Robinson, but neither is he Howard Johnson. Unless they think they can win the pennant *this year* (which seems possible) and need Boggs to do it, I think they're making the same sort of mistake with Davis that Boston made with Boggs, leaving him in the minors for two or three years after he'd shown that he was a good hitter. Hrm? They still have him on the roster (16 AB through the first two weeks). They've just never figured out what to do with him. I suspect that he hits enough (especially vs. lefties) to be a reasonable shortstop. One rumor running around during spring training was that they wanted to convert Silvestri to be a catcher(!) because ""his body type was wrong for a shortstop"". You'd think that somebody in the same *division*, who plays Baltimore about a dozen times a year, would know better. Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com",rec.sport.baseball 2981,"[some deletions] Well, we agree on the last part.:-) One of the basic things you need to have in a statistic to be able to predict a player's performance on it in the future is for there to be a correlation from year to year. A player's batting average is correlated fairly well from year to year. A player's ability to walk or infielder's Defensive Average are correlated better. That is to say, given their past performance in those statistics we can have a pretty good handle on how they'll do next year. Put in some simple information about aging and you can do even better. One of the basic problems with something like ""clutch"" batting average - overall batting average is that the correlation from year to year is almost zero. Adding to the sample size doesn't seem to help much. As a counterexample to what you showed, consider the following two players from 1984-1987: Non-Clutch Clutch AB H BA AB H BA Maldonado 1060 260 .245 254 78 .307 Lemon 1643 457 .278 256 57 .223 If you had had these two players in 1988, by your logic, in those ""clutch"" situations, you'd bat Maldonado for Lemon in a blink of an eye. Well, in 1988, Maldonado hit .267 in ""non-clutch"" and .190 in ""clutch"", while Lemon hit .254 in ""non-clutch"" and .313 in ""clutch"". Before you accuse me of completely cooking the data, there were 96 players who had 25+ ""clutch"" at bats every year from 1984-1988 (according to Elias). As a simple measure of clutchness, let's just look at clutch BA-non-clutch BA. If you use '84-'87 to predict '88 for those 96 players, you'd find that 27 of the 96 were below league average in that measure both in '84-87 and in '88, 26 were above league average in both periods and the other 43 were above in one and below in the other. If you were just flipping coins, you'd expect to get 24 above/below in both and 48 that switched. The difference between the observed results and the coin flip experiment is not statisically significant. BTW, correlating players' _overall_ batting average from '84-'87 with '88 gives a correlation coefficient of 0.59, which is significant at something better than the 99.9% confidence level. Correlating their (clutch-non-clutch BA) for the same period gives a correlation of 0.088, significant at no level of any interest. Actually, it's technically incorrect to say that we can't predict future clutch performance. It's more correct to say that we can't predict future clutch performance with any skill. Harold",rec.sport.baseball 2982,"I would appreciate any thoughts on what makes a planet habitable for Humans. I am making asumptions that life and a similar atmosphere evolve given a range of physical aspects of the planet. The question is what physical aspects simply disallow earth like conditions. eg Temperature range of 280K to 315K (where temp is purely dependant on dist from the sun and the suns temperature..) Atmospheric presure ? - I know nothing of human tolerance Planetary Mass ? - again gravity at surface is important, how much can human bodies take day after day. Also how does the mass effect atmosphere. I thinking of planets between .3 and 3 times mass of the earth. I suppose density should be important as well. Climate etc does not concern me, nor does axial tilt etc etc. Just the above three factors and how they relate to one another. Jonathan --",sci.space 2983,"[much munching and editing to get to the point] [Brett D. Sherron-Ferrell writes] [Mike Timbol responds] While I do not think he is lying, I also feel hesitant to take anybody ""on their word"" unless they can attribute a source for thier claims. With all the FUD and misinformations and misconceptions and outright lies flying around the advocacy newsgroups, I do not trust any unsubstantiated rumor or claim - especially from any employees of IBM's OR MicroSoft, or anyone who seems to have a vested interest. Divya -- Divya",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2984,"Hi there, I'm looking for tools that can make X programming easy. I would like to have a tool that will enable to create X motif GUI Interactivly. Currently I'm Working on a SGI with forms. A package that enables to create GUI with no coding at all (but the callbacks). Any help will be appreciated.",comp.windows.x 2985,"OK, if I post where this comes from, will people stop sending email asking where I negotiated the deal? ;-) The deal is from ""International Computer and Networking"" in CA. (I saw the ad int he back of MacWorld and MacUser)... phone number is 310-441-9181 and the deal may have changed since a few weeks ago, since they change prices about every ten minutes ;-) Alas, this is a funny system, it SOUNDS like a good deal, but this is a Centris 650, 4MB (on the motherboard) 4MB SIMM, 80MB HD, NO ETHERNET and NO COPROCESSOR (well, actually it's a 68LC040 instead of a 68RC040, 'just had to say that to keep people from saying ""there is no such thing as an '040 without a coprocessor, since the FPU is built into the chip"") OK, there ya have it, but if I were you, I would wait untill the cyclones come out and buy a Quadra 800 ;-) -nate ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 2986,"-- In 1972, they lowered the engine compression so that it would run on regular gas (not to mention the addition of emission controls). The '72 also added pop-out rear quarter windows... Alot of parts are available for the GT from C & R Small Cars in CT and used from Bill Daley's Opel Parts in MA.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew R. Singer MIT Lincoln Laboratory (617) 981-3771 244 Wood Street singer@ll.mit.edu Lexington, MA 02173",rec.autos 2987,"I am finding the volume of stuff on rec.sport.baseball overwhelming -- ca. 200 posts/day. An effect of this is that a backlog builds up, and many posts get dumped from my system. I could probably fix that--but don't have the time to read them all in any event. My guess is that mine is a common problem. I have some ideas that would help: 1. Each person generally post no more than one article/day. 2. Limit the extent to which previous posts are reproduced in posts. 3. Don't post mindless `woofs,' or `anti-woofs,' e.g. ""The Jays are best!"" or ""The Jays suck."" 4. Don't respond to mindless posts, e.g. ""Jack Morris is a better pitcher than Frank Viola because he's won a World Series."" I know that you can use the `n' key to get by these posts, but they bump interesting posts from my disk. 5. use the goddamn shift key etc it makes your posts easier to read ",rec.sport.baseball 2988,"From: ""Phil G. Fraering"" >> Finally: this isn't the Bronze Age, [..] >> please try to remember that there are more human activities than >> those practiced by the Warrior Caste, the Farming Caste, and the >> Priesthood. F Baube responds; Right, the Profiting Caste is blessed by God, and may freely blare its presence in the evening twilight .. Steinn Sez; >The Priesthood has never quite forgiven >the merchants (aka Profiting Caste [sic]) >for their rise to power, has it? If we are looking for evidence of belessed-by-God-ness, I'd say the ability to blare lights all over the evening sky is about the best evidence you could ever hope to get. No wonder the preistly classes are upset :-) -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows.",sci.space 2989,"Please....Apples to Apples. Nt is a beta, and as such cannot be accepted as a competitor to Win3.1-it's not on the market. Same for OS/2 2.1, for a couple or weeks...... BTW, cute sig. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2990," I am not exactly known as a Flower Child Pacifist, but lets call cowpoop cowpoop. ""The peaceful attempt to serve the warrant"" consisted of the following actions, in order: 1) BATF agents forcing their entry of the ""compound"" through second story windows. 2) BATF agents loosing some grenades (allegedly ""stun"" or ""flash"" grenades) which promptly detonated. *After* which, according to the tapes I have seen, the B-D started shooting back. Now exactly how is it that someone breaking into private property and tossing grenades around is considered ""peaceful"" by *anyone*? You *think* on that. (Which is not to say I do not still hold my previous and entirely correct notions about what should be worn and what arms should be used in assaulting a building.) ",talk.religion.misc 2991,"I'm having trouble with installing a second IDE drive on a Promise IDE caching controller. The first drive is a conner 3204 and works fine. The second drive is a conner 30174, it is currently unjumpered to be the slave drive. The problem is the slave drive is recognized but is reported back as having no free space. Disabling cache has made no effect. What else should I check for?",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 2992," Hi. Can anyone please give me some ftp sites to get IPAS processes for 3D Studio 2.0? Thanks. +Warren =8^) ",comp.graphics 2993,"Please help. I have an IBM-compatible notebook computer with an LCD VGA screen. While I was working with it this morning, the screen started to flicker a little, which I thought was odd since I do use a surge-protector for my computer and all peripherals. It only did this for a second and then stopped. I left the room for several minutes and, when I returned, the screen was completely dim, not blank, but very very dim. The contrast slider still worked so that I could adjust it to where I could *faintly* make out what was on the screen but the brightness slider had absolutely *no* effect. I was plugged-in at the time (i.e., not using the battery) but I still tried switching the battery, changing the power-saver features, etc., etc., all to no avail. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? If this just means that I need to replace the screen then I guess I'll have to but I thought that the ""death"" of my LCD screen would be a little less dramatic when it eventually happened. I didn't want to take it in to be repaired before I asked on the net about this because I already know what they'll say: ""Yep, you gotta have this replaced and it's gonna cost you $???."" I've only had the computer for about 21 months. Is that a reasonable life cycle for a LCD display? Oh, I guess I ought to give specifics here: the brand is Compudyne (Is this a reputable company?), it's a 386SX @ 20 MHz. I forget the model number exactly and I was too ticked off to write it down before coming in to work today. If anyone can help me, PLEASE give me any advice you might have. I'm not opposed to having it replaced, but I'd rather not if it's not absolutely necessary. If you wouldn't mind, please e-mail me at mike@mik.uky.edu but if you'd rather post I'll be checking back here in a couple of days. BTW, if the answer to this question is already in a FAQ somewhere, feel free to flame away but I would ask that you also include the location and name of the FAQ if you don't mind. Thanks in advance for any help...",comp.graphics 2994,"hausner@qucis.queensu.ca (Alejo Hausner) Pontificated: To split a split hair, I believe that teflon (-CF4- monomer) was ""discovered"" by accident when someone I don't remember found what he thought was a liquid (or gas?) had turned to a solid... It just happend to fit the bill for the above use... I'm crossposting to sci.materials so perhaps someone in the know might elaborate... ",sci.space 2995,"Hello, I install one wav driver: pc-speaker, then install mpeg 2.0 phoenix.oulu.fi:/pub/incoming/mpeg2_0/mpegexe.zip --/ in Windows 3.1. but when I load one MPEG file and make sound type to WAV or MPEG,it always say error. when I load one mpeg file which have wav file( ~.wav),then select sound type to WAV,it is normal and no error,but I still can't hear sound. What should I do? fix the SoundDrv number in MFW.INI? Thankx for any help... -- Internet Address: u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw English Name: Erik Wang Chinese Name: Wang Jyh-Shyang",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 2996," Please, read my post carefully, I am saying that lift the arms emargo and let the MUSLIMS defend themselves. The point is these Europians ""civilized countries"" neither want to get intervene militarily themselves and nor they like to see the muslims of the world to help the oppressed. (Remember what happened almost one year ago when the so called UN discovered some riffles in an Iranian jet in Bosnia!). The west is not indifferent in this matter they are siding with Serbs by keeping this embargo on only muslim side (okay on-paper on both sides). -Khalid ",talk.politics.mideast 2997,"Hallo all...my girlfriend and I will be travelling across the US this summer, so we won't be using our tickets to return to Hawaii. Please buy them. The tickets are one-way, leaving Peoria, IL on May 17. It connects to the main route in Minneapolis/St. Paul, and from there goes on to Honolulu...you'll be in Honolulu at 2:42 pm, and flying via Northwest airlines. Any offers will be considered, but please make sure these are serious offers. Tickets to Hawaii aren't cheap, but we're aiming to make two people very happy this summer.",misc.forsale 2998,"Hi I'm new to imaging, and my advisor and I would like to do some 3D reconstructions. We take slides (biological), and image them on a 486. Then the software allows us to trace the outline of the objects we want to save. The outlines are stored as a TIFF file. We would like to convert a group of these outlines into a 3D image. We are unsure as to where to begin. Someone mentioned that if we could convert the TIFF into a vector format then we could view them in Autocad. Any help would be greatly appreciated.",comp.graphics 2999," Geico has purchased radar guns in several states, I know they have done it here in CT. I have also heard horror stories about people that have been insured by Geico for years and then had 1 accident and were immediately dropped. And once you've been dropped by any insruance company you become labled a high risk, and end up forking out 3 or 4 times what you should be for insurance. My suggestion, stay where you are, or shop around but STAY AWAY from Geico!",rec.autos 3000," For those with out FTP access, try NitV-BBS (see .sig). I have the following: (all from nic.funet.fi, garbo.uwasa.fi, sony.com, and ftp.uni-erlangen.de) PLATFORM EXECS SOURCE PATCH4SRC XTRAS BBS FILE AREA FIDO FREQNAME DOS x x x LOGIN PGPDOS, PGPSDOS MAC x x NONIBM PGPMAC, PGPSMAC AMIGA x ? NONIBM PGPAMI ARCHIMEDES x ? NONIBM PGPARC OS/2 x ? WIN PGPOS2 NeXT x NONIBM PGPNXT UNIX x x NONIBM PGPUNX ? = haven't looked in the archive to see if it has source or not (usually because I can't handle the format). For FidoNet FREQ magic-names, the PGPS??? names are source code, others are either execs or execs + src [+ extras], or in the case of NeXT, just a patch (you still need one of the full source code packages). NitV-BBS is FREE. This is not an ad, it is a public service announcement. ",sci.crypt 3001,"Hi All, This is the first time I've posted to the net, so I hope this is going to the right people. I'm looking for software packages that run on an IBM PC clone that allows me to display Openlook and motif windows on the PC. The idea is to use the PC as a cheap X windows terminal for use by process Engineers at work. If anyone can E-Mail me any recommended packages/horror stories/etc I would be greatful. Thanks in advance Mark Wilkinson ",comp.windows.x 3002,"In the course of discussing the Sabbath with some folks, I came across something that was completely new to me, and I thought I'd offer it for comment. To keep this as brief as possible, let me state my observation as a declarative statement, and then whoever wants to can comment on it. Basically, what I think I've observed is that the phrase ""the Ten Commandments"", as used by Moses, is not a reference to Ex. 20:1-17, but rather a reference to ten distinct discourses from Ex. 20:1 through Ex. 31:18. That is, the phrase ""the Ten Commandments"" should more accurately be translated ""the Ten Discourses"", of which the passage we call the ""Ten Commandments"" is really only the first. I'm not completely convinced that the above is true, but for purposes of discussion, let me argue it as though I was sure. Arguments supporting the above idea: 1) There aren't really ten commandments in Ex. 20:1-17. In order to get 10 commandments, you have to get two of them out of verses 3-6, and the verses themselves do not support such a division because they are all about not worshipping other gods. That is, verse 3 commands to have no other gods, and verse 5 commands to not worship the idols mentioned in verse 4. You can't violate verses 5-6 without violating verse 3, indicating that the whole passage is one command, and leaving us with only Nine ""Commandments"". I could go on at length about this, but for now I'll just stop with this summary. 2) There ARE ten speeches between Ex 20:1 (the beginning of the traditional ""Ten Commandments"") and Ex 31:18 (where God actually gives Moses the two tablets with the Ten Commandments/Discourses written on them). I break these ten down as follows: 20:1-17; 20:22-26; 21:1-23:33; 25:1-30:10; 30:11-16; 30:17-21; 30:22-33; 30:34-38; 31:1-11; and 31:12-18. In most cases, each of these passages begins with some variation of the phrase, ""And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying..."" The exception is Ex. 21:1, which begins ""Now these are the ordinances which you are to set before them..."" 3) The word translated ""commandments"" in the phrase ""the Ten Commandments"" isn't really the word for ""commandment"", its the word for a speech, or an utterance. It's a word often used for longer discourses rather than individual statements; for instance, when combined with the word 'yom' (day), this word is translated ""Chronicles"" in such phrases as ""now the rest of the acts of so-and-so, are they not written in the Chronicles of x?..."" The word for ""commandment"" is freely used throughout the books of Moses, and perhaps it is significant that when Moses spoke of the Ten X's, he appears to have avoided the word for commandment and chosen instead a word associated with discourses longer than just a single command. 4) God tells Moses that He is going to give him the stone tablets ""with the law and the commandments"" (Ex 24:12), yet He does not give Moses the tablets until He has finished all ten discourses on Mount Sinai. If the Ten Commandments were only Ex. 20:1-17, it is not immediately clear why God would wait several days and nine more discourses before giving these tablets to Moses. On the other hand, if we have the Ten Discourses written on the tablets, then it makes perfect sense that God would not give Moses the tablets until He had finished delivering all Ten Discourses. 5) When Moses did get the tablets, he found that both tablets were written on both sides (Ex. 32:15). If these Ten ""Commandments"" were only the first 17 verses of Ex. 20, God would have had to have written in LARGE letters! Not that He couldn't have, of course, but it does seem more likely to me that this is a reference to two tablets containing ten discourses written in normal- sized letters. 6) In II Cor. 3, Paul seems to specifically single out the ""commandments written on stone"" as being the ""ministry of death"", ""that which is fading away,"" and ""the ministry of condemnation."" With the possible exception of the commandment about the Sabbath, it is difficult to see why Paul would refer to the commands in Ex. 20:1-17 as being temporary, ""fading away""-type commandments. This is less of a problem if the stone tablets should happen to have included all of the commandments from Ex 20 through Ex 31. Arguments against this idea: The main argument against this idea, aside from the fact that it contradicts a long-standing tradition, is that in Dt 5:22, Moses says, after quoting the commands in Ex. 20:1-17, ""These words the LORD spoke...and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me."" This appears to identify the words just quoted as being the only contents of the two stone tablets. That was my first impression, anyway. However, after some thought, I noted that a great deal hinges on how you understand the phrase ""These words."" If Moses meant ""These words *which I have just related to you* were spoken by God"" etc., then that would mean that only the traditional ""Ten Commandments"" were on the stone tablets. If, however, Moses was making a parenthetical comment--""These words *which I AM NOW telling you* were spoken by God"" etc.--then that's quite different. I did note that in the Dt 5 account, Moses tells of being given the stone tablets BEFORE telling of the people asking Moses to represent them before God, whereas in the Exodus account, the people asked this of Moses between the first and second discourses, several days BEFORE God gave Moses the stone tablets. This reinforces the idea that Moses' remarks in Dt 5:22ff were intended as a parenthetical remark, rather than a strictly chronological account of when God wrote what, and at what point He stopped adding to what was on the tablets. Summary: all things considered, I find it somewhat more likely that the nine commands in Ex 20 are really only the first of what Moses regarded as the Ten Discourses of God. I don't know if anybody has ever espoused this idea before; it's brand-new to me. So, while I lean towards accepting it, I would be very interested in hearing any comments and criticisms anyone may care to offer.",soc.religion.christian 3003," Not boring is right!!! It is more likely to cause me to have a stroke!! I had to listen to game two on the Blackhawk station and I don't think I could take another call of ""And JOSEPH makes a SPEcTACular saaaaaave"". Now I'm a Blues fan, but I don't want them to play ""like"" they played in game two. Sure the result was fine, but the Blues match up very well with the Hawks so they really don't need to treat them like the 86 Flames. We don't need a ""Monday Night Miracle"" to have a chance to beat Chicago. The Blues can do it on talent. At least over the hawks. Rich h.--- Go BLUES!!",rec.sport.hockey 3004,"(This is a cross post to rec.gardens and sci.med. Set the follow-up (line in the header, depending on what kind of advice you give, or (e-mail directly to me: ceci@lysator.liu.se.) I have a problem with wasps -- they seem to love me. Last summer I couldn't spend more than ten to fifteen minutes at a time in my garden before one or several wasps would come for me. I am asking for advice on how to repel wasps. This year the wasps have built their nest under a stone next to one of my tiny ponds. The caretaker (poor fellow!) will have to take care of them, and that will give me a head start on them. Last year we couldn't find any nest. Even after the caretaker has gassed the nest in my tiny garden of 30 square meter, other wasps will most likely vie for the territory. Is there anything I can grow, rub on my skin or spread on the soil that will repel the black and yellow bastards? Never mind if it turns my skin purple or kills off all my beloved plants, I want to be able to spend time in my garden like everyone else. Would it help to remove the ponds and the bird bath? The wasps seem to come to drink at them, and I suppose that their prey will breed in them. The black tits seem to be afraid of the wasps, because as soon as the wasp season starts, they stop coming to have their bath. Even when I am not trying to win back my patio from 15-20 wasps, they seem to love me. The advice I usually get when I ask what to do about wasps, is to stand still and not wave my arms. I've got some painful stings when trying to follow that advice. I have also tried to use hygienic products without perfumes, to no avail. They still love me, and come for me, even when I'm in the middle of a crowd. So far only two things seem to work: To kill it dead or to run into the house and close all doors and windows. NB: I don't have a problem with bees or bumble-bees, just wasps. Patronizing advice redirected to /dev/null. --Ceci",sci.med 3005,"I have 2 OMTI 3527 SCSI adapters for sale. These make an ST-506 RLL drive look like a SCSI disk drive. Each adapter will support two RLL drives. I have used this model OMTI adapter with my Amiga A500 and a C-Ltd SCSI host adapter without problems. I'm selling these because I got them about the same time I decided to sell instead of expand my Amiga so I have never even used them. I can't guarantee they will work with every SCSI host adapter. They are essentially new in box. I paid $150/ea, make me an offer.",sci.electronics 3006," I don't know who either is, but I think I see your problem. You've got Cecil King and Don Douglass. What you need is Don King and Cecil Adams. Or maybe Rodney King and Beanie & Cecil? ",rec.motorcycles 3007,"FOR SALE Sony 8mm camcorder model PRO V9 - top-of-the-line a few years ago. - autofocus with macro capability - 6x zoom - 5 lux rating - 360,000-pixel CCD chip, the best made for a 8mm camcorder - AV input/output jacks (all cables included) - RF convertor/switcher for TV without AV input - AC adaptor/charger - 1.5A battery - neck trap - user's manual - mint condition List price for this model was $1600, I paid $1330 mail-order a few years ago. Will sacrifice for $500 or best offer. Reason for sale: upgrade to Hi8 model.",misc.forsale 3008," Oh my god, I made a typo AND used the word ""god"". Come burn my house down, I must deserve it. ",talk.politics.guns 3009," But they also might have run out of fire-wood (maybe chopping up furnature?). They also may not have been cooking, but eating MREs and other delicacies stored for just such an occation... Just a thought. Brent ""Yes I am well aware that their electricity was cut, thanks to the HUNDREDS of E-mail messages and replies to my post"" Irvine ",talk.politics.guns 3010,"Xircom Pocket Ethernet Adapter Connects any PC with a parallel port to the network Make offer ",misc.forsale 3011,"Can anyone help with this? System: SPARC Classic, Solaris 2.1, gcc 2.3.3, X11R5 When I try to build the XView libraries (xview3, patched with the patch from the X11R5-Solaris kit), I get the following error: rm -f ndet_loop.o shared/ndet_loop.o gcc -fpcc-struct-return -E -O2 -I../../.././build/include -I/usr/X11R5/include -DSVR4 -DSYSV -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DOS_HAS_LOCALE -DOS_HAS_MMAP ndet_loop.c \ gcc -fpcc-struct-return -fPIC -O2 -I../../.././build/include -I/usr/X11R5/include -DSVR4 -DSYSV -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DOS_HAS_LOCALE -DOS_HAS_MMAP -c x.c \ -o shared/ndet_loop.o In file included from ../../.././build/include/xview/notify.h:29, from ../../.././build/include/xview_private/ntfy.h:24, from x.c:18: /usr/include/sys/ucontext.h:25: parse error before `sigset_t' /usr/include/sys/ucontext.h:25: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union /usr/include/sys/ucontext.h:26: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/ucontext.h:29: parse error before `}' /usr/include/sys/ucontext.h:29: warning: data definition has no type or storage class In file included from ../../.././build/include/xview_private/ntfy.h:24, from x.c:18: ./../.././build/include/xview/notify.h:286: parse error before `*' ./../.././build/include/xview/notify.h:286: warning: data definition has no type or storage class In file included from x.c:35: /usr/include/sys/user.h:226: `MAXSIG' undeclared, outside of functions ndet_loop.c:71: `NSIG' undeclared, outside of functions ndet_loop.c:85: variable `ndet_sigvec' has initializer but incomplete type ndet_loop.c:88: parse error before `*' ndet_loop.c:88: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ndet_loop.c: In function `ndet_fig_sig_change': ndet_loop.c:687: `NSIG' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:687: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ndet_loop.c:687: for each function it appears in.) ndet_loop.c: In function `ndet_signal_catcher': ndet_loop.c:751: parse error before `ucontext_t' ndet_loop.c:764: `sigset_t' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:764: parse error before `newmask' ndet_loop.c:766: `newmask' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:769: `oldmask' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:777: parse error before `)' ndet_loop.c:795: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast ndet_loop.c:798: parse error before `)' ndet_loop.c: In function `ndet_send_delayed_sigs': ndet_loop.c:825: `sigset_t' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:825: parse error before `newmask' ndet_loop.c:837: `newmask' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:839: `oldmask' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:848: parse error before `)' ndet_loop.c: At top level: ndet_loop.c:1022: parse error before `*' ndet_loop.c:85: storage size of `ndet_sigvec' isn't known *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `ndet_loop.o' rm -f ndet_loop.o shared/ndet_loop.o gcc -fpcc-struct-return -E -O2 -I../../.././build/include -I/usr/X11R5/include -DSVR4 -DSYSV -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DOS_HAS_LOCALE -DOS_HAS_MMAP ndet_loop.c \ gcc -fpcc-struct-return -fPIC -O2 -I../../.././build/include -I/usr/X11R5/include -DSVR4 -DSYSV -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DOS_HAS_LOCALE -DOS_HAS_MMAP -c x.c \ -o shared/ndet_loop.o In file included from ../../.././build/include/xview/notify.h:29, from ../../.././build/include/xview_private/ntfy.h:24, from x.c:18: /usr/include/sys/ucontext.h:25: parse error before `sigset_t' /usr/include/sys/ucontext.h:25: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union /usr/include/sys/ucontext.h:26: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/include/sys/ucontext.h:29: parse error before `}' /usr/include/sys/ucontext.h:29: warning: data definition has no type or storage class In file included from ../../.././build/include/xview_private/ntfy.h:24, from x.c:18: ./../.././build/include/xview/notify.h:286: parse error before `*' ./../.././build/include/xview/notify.h:286: warning: data definition has no type or storage class In file included from x.c:35: /usr/include/sys/user.h:226: `MAXSIG' undeclared, outside of functions ndet_loop.c:71: `NSIG' undeclared, outside of functions ndet_loop.c:85: variable `ndet_sigvec' has initializer but incomplete type ndet_loop.c:88: parse error before `*' ndet_loop.c:88: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ndet_loop.c: In function `ndet_fig_sig_change': ndet_loop.c:687: `NSIG' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:687: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ndet_loop.c:687: for each function it appears in.) ndet_loop.c: In function `ndet_signal_catcher': ndet_loop.c:751: parse error before `ucontext_t' ndet_loop.c:764: `sigset_t' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:764: parse error before `newmask' ndet_loop.c:766: `newmask' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:769: `oldmask' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:777: parse error before `)' ndet_loop.c:795: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast ndet_loop.c:798: parse error before `)' ndet_loop.c: In function `ndet_send_delayed_sigs': ndet_loop.c:825: `sigset_t' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:825: parse error before `newmask' ndet_loop.c:837: `newmask' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:839: `oldmask' undeclared (first use this function) ndet_loop.c:848: parse error before `)' ndet_loop.c: At top level: ndet_loop.c:1022: parse error before `*' ndet_loop.c:85: storage size of `ndet_sigvec' isn't known *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `ndet_loop.o' Obviously, most of this is due to the problem encountered while including - I've tried several approaches, but can't get past this point. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mahalo nui o kakou, _______________________________________________________________________________ Henry Stilmack ) Computing Systems Manager ) Perform random kindnesses UK/Netherlands/Canada Joint Astronomy Centre ) and senseless acts of beauty 660 N. A'ohoku Place, Hilo, HI 96720 ) hps@jach.Hawaii.Edu 808-969-6530 ) ",comp.windows.x 3012,"Hello, Subject says it all. I need a GIF to Targa converter, so that my dta15 could make a .FLI of them. Krzysztof ",comp.graphics 3013," -- -- 99 99 Sombody's data is wrong. Since Mac OS, Finder, Systerm or whatever you want to call it doesn't appear in the first survey, I tend to doubt their results more. Just because sombody wrote it doesn't mean its correct. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3014,"""The security of the system should depend only on the secrecy of the keys and not on the secrecy of the algorithms"" -- Dorothy Denning",sci.crypt 3015,"Hi there, Could someone please suggest one of the better _shareware_ replacements for Win3.1's Program Manager and File Manager? And which ftp site are they located at? Thanks in advance for e-mail response.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3016," My agent is Daniel Sui, and he's done quite a good job for me. You might check with him, as he's located in San Francisco and specializes in bike insurance: Daniel Sui Insurance 338 Balboa Street San Francisco, CA 94118 1-415-752-3157 Michael ",rec.motorcycles 3017," yeah, but most of those are Big Hulking Mainframes which have no monitors. factoid : FAbricated or Corrupted Tidbit of Ordinary Information (Diluted) ok dpm",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3018,"[ ..see previous article on this debate for the rests.. ] I can see XV-3.00 agree with my view in cases you don't -- even I say my personal opinion (as above), it doesn't mean that it is not most obvious thing. Please, if you use my previous writings as contradicting argument, please do read them -- you have not saw them at all; you just refered to text from which I wrote 'something' -- and you make hard decisions from that, without reading what exactly I have written. It is really hard read when one writes a reply line by line method and don't understand include previously written material with the new sentences to give them meaning. You seem to be one such. You also start replying to my articles, even you don't understand what is going on; you ask me repeatedly to decsribe my views what were wrong with XV 2.21 even I posted them within the article you did reply to. Believe me, it is not nice to get flamed specially when I know that you have not read my article carefully in the first place. XV-3.00 and JPEG FAQ and users I have written to agree me with the places you didn't; I'm sure you just didn't undertand what about I wrote. We can blame my writing skills (in English?) for that, or? Better stop the discussion and check what new ideas XV-3.00 gives; I allready mailed one to Bradley... ",comp.graphics 3019," Brad McCrimmon was the captain of the Flames when he was traded to Detroit following the 1989-90 season. This was during the off-season though. There's countless examples of captains being traded, I'm sure.",rec.sport.hockey 3020,"My recently modified Quadra 700 with a socket for clock oscillators has now completed nearly 40 hours of error free operation at 32 mhz (with a 64 mhz clock oscillator). I have also tried a 55 mhz CMOS clock and that works as well. On the more stupid side, I've discovered you can use a 40 mhz clock and make your Q700 as slow as a Centris 610. However, a 25 mhz clock which would have yielded a 12.5 mhz Quadra 700 (Who'd want one?) didn't work at all.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3021,"What I usually use...and this stuff is only good on glass....is either Acetone, or a little Benzene. The latter of the two is a bit dangerous (possibly a carcinogen(sp?)) but it usualy gets the job done. I imagine you can you the two solvents on most metals as well as glass, but keep the stuff away from plastic. Better yet, you may just want to go to your local hardware store and ask them what they use. ",sci.electronics 3022," This is true. The statement didn't say anything about Christians in general. It specifically said ""strict fundamentalist"" Christians. It reflects a common perception that people have about fundamentalists being strict disciplinarians. Whether or not this perception is justified is another issue. ",soc.religion.christian 3023,"The 800 number for Western Digital is 1-800-832-4778. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3024,"I want to have some info about Diamond Stealth Pro / 2 MB VRAM: - what graphics modes does it support - are HI-COLOR modes included to VESA BIOS (for use with DOS programs) - any experiences yet (bugs & advantages) - how fast is it under Windows and DOS - price Thanks...",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3025," Phill, are you trying to convince everyone on the net that you are in fact an abject moron for some reason? Repeating the same rubbish over and over again may make something a ""fact"" in whatever backwater you are posting from, but it doesn't wash here, so save it. ",talk.politics.misc 3026,"What you call ""the Trinity and the Catholic church's definition of it"" is precisely the result of the first Christians getting together and trying to find an acceptable answer to your question ""what is a Christian?"". I can't see what you are objecting to: someone is saying what historians of all beliefs would agree on, and you are calling him a closed-minded bigot? You really ought to say what you mean by ""belief in Jesus Christ"". It is not a wording that is sufficient to describe a Christian. Muslims believe in Jesus Christ although they believe he was a prophet and not the incarnated Son of God. But followers of Eastern religions might be quite happy to say that Jesus was the incarnation of God - along with large numbers of other historical and mythical figures. So perhaps you ought to rephrase your question and say precisely what it is in the traditional definitions of what it is to be a Christian, as handed down by the Universal Church, you object to but regard as unnecessary for being a Christian.",soc.religion.christian 3027," As a side note, in that same ad (MacWorld 6/93), they are selling the 50MHz Powercache for the IIsi with FPU for $575. For those thinking of upgrading to the 040 33 MHz Turbo (an upgrade costs $600 direct from Daystar), this comes out to $1175, about $200 cheaper than what most mail-order companies charge.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3028," That may change next month; at least I hope it will. A couple of hundred journalists have requested press passes for the test flights. Sustaining that publicity however, will be a problem. Allen ",sci.space 3029," I don't know the answer to your direct question, but if the Mac Superdrive can read MS-DOS disks (can it??) then you can transfer files between the NeXT and a Mac by using MS-DOS formatted disks since the NeXT *can* read/write that format. And if you're interested in transferring files, you can also do it over the serial port using kermit.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3030,"My roommate left me his Playboy collection which he no longer wants, so I'm offering them to the general public. (THAT'S YOU!) MAKE AN OFFER FOR THE *ENTIRE COLLECTION* I will accept the best offer. (Offer does *NOT* include cheapest method of shipping from Bethlehem, PA) 1992: February (Supermodel Rachel Williams, World Tour, & POM Tanya Beyer) 1991: May (Shannon & Tracy Tweed & POM Carrie Jean Yazel) July (Tall girls, Miss Bulgaria, & POM Wendy Kaye) September (Barbi twins & POM Samantha Dorman) November (La Toya Jackson & POM Tonja Marie Christensen) December (Dian Parkinson from ""The Price is Right"" & POM Wendy Hamilton) 1990: July (Sharon Stone, Marilyn look-alike, & POM Jacqueline Sheen) October (Girls of the Big West, Gladiator Marisa Pare, & POM Brittany York) November (Teri Copley from ""We Got It Made"", Sex in Cinema, & POM Lorraine Olivia, stewardess) 1989: January (35th Anniversary Issue - Collector's Edition) February (Year in Sex, Rio's Grand, & POM Simone Eden) March (La Toya Jackson & POM Laurie Wood) August (Women of Wall St., Diana Lee from ""License to Kill"", & POM Gianna Amore) November (Donna Mills, Sex in Cinema '89, & POM Renee Tenison) 1988: August (Sunshine Girls & POM Helle Michaelsen) October (Girls of the Southwest Conference & POM Shannon Long) November (Women of Washington, Sex in Cinema '88, & POM Pia Reyes) December (Playmate Review, Sex Stars of '88, Lysette Anthony, & POM Kata Karkkainen) 1987: November (Jessica Hahn, Sex in Cinema '87, & POM Pam Stein) Also: *** Special Edition: ""Playboy Presents: 100 Beautiful Women"" *** -- ",misc.forsale 3031,"Does anyone know the pin-outs for the 27C512 EPROM?? I have bought several of them, none of which has come with the pin-outs! Any info would be appreciated....",sci.electronics 3032," Special creation has not been observed in action. Bill Rawlin's assertions that man was created in his present form do not count as creation. Put another way, there are an incredible amount of species of the planet. How many species have we DIRECTLY observed being created by a god or gods? ",talk.religion.misc 3033," Your starting to sound like a little child who wants ice cream. If you kick and scream enough you think people will believe you. Sorry proof by vigorous ascertion doesn't hold any water. I can insist that cats are dogs all day, it doesn't make it so. ",talk.politics.misc 3034," Well, in my opinion the Canucks played a really strong game. I was especially pleased by a very strong game from Linden - I think he could be a key to success for them this year. Defensively, they really had a strong game. Hardly heard Selanne's name all night. Craven also played one of his best games since coming over. With a few exceptions, they really didn't let the high-flying Jets do much high-flying. I thought the Jets defence looked overmatched by the Canucks forwards - they will have to improve on that if they want to make this a series. In short, it was a great start! ",rec.sport.hockey 3035,"I used to hate it when people posted messages like this, but now that I am contemplating a purchase, I can see why they do. So, has anyone heard of any upcoming (within the next 6 months) advances in the Powerbook line? Can we expect to see a PowerPC PowerBook at some point in the future (I assume an 040 would take too much power and generate too much heat for installation in a PowerBook)?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3036,"I'm trying to find some information on accelerator boards for the SE. Has anyone used any in the past, especially those from Extreme Systems, Novy or MacProducts? I'm looking for a board that will support extended video, especially Radius's two-page monitor. Has anyone used Connectix Virtual in conjunction with their board? Any software snafus? Are there any stats anywhere on the speed difference between a board with an FPU and one without? Please send mail directly to me. Thanks.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3037,"From article , by strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight): ""Well Regulated"", at the time of its writing and in the context of the Second Amendment, means ""Properly trained and equipped."" It modern language it would read: A properly trained and equipped militia, being necessary to the security of a free state I have setup a mail-based file server so that anyone interested in the list can obtain information as well as the entire archive of past articles, the membership listing and other information pertaining to the LightWave3D mailing list. For information on this service, please send a mail message to: fileserver@bobsbox.rent.com The first command to the server must be ""HELP"" or ""USER name "". Use HELP to request a current copy of the helpfile. Use USER name [passwd] to connect to the service. Use ? to get a short listing of all available commands. -- NOW WHAT DO I DO? -- Well, sit back and enjoy the pouring out of information. If you have something to offer, please feel free to contribute that information to the list. Every little bit helps. Questions are welcomed! It makes some of us feel important when we can answer them. If you have any questions or comments regarding the list, please contact me at the address: lightwave-admin@bobsbox.rent.com Cheers, ",comp.graphics 3064,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Meeting of the UK Cryptoprivacy Association - ------------------------------------------- Saturday, 8 May 1993, 1500 To be held at the offices of: FOREST 4th floor 2 Grosvenor Gardens London SW1W 0DH This is located at the corner of Hobart Place, a couple of blocks west of Victoria Station, and almost directly across from the dark green cabbie shelter. If you have trouble finding the place, please call the office on 071-823-6550. Or, call me (Russell Whitaker) on my pager, 081-812-2661, and leave an informative message with the telephone number where you can be reached; I will return the call almost immediately. Discussion will range from the usual general topics, such as the use of secure public key cryptosystems to protect message data, to specific topics, such as recent moves by the U.S. government to restrict choice in data privacy (reference recent discussion on Usenet groups, e.g. sci.crypt and alt.security.pgp). All are invited. Particularly welcome are members of the newly-formed UK CommUnity group ... the local EFF-in-spirit-if-not-in-name folks. Those who plan to attend should email me and let me know. Please. All attendees are requested to bring diskettes - preferably MS-DOS - with their PGP 2.+ public keys. As is usual at these gatherings, several of us will bring our laptops, and will sign public keys, subject to the usual caveats (reference the documentation for PGP 2.2, specifically files PGPDOC1.DOC and PGPDOC2.DOC). If you do not already have a copy of PGP 2.2 (MS-DOS), and would like to have a copy of this public domain program, please bring a formatted, medium or high density 3.5 inch floppy PC diskette; you will be provided a copy of the program. Of course, you might prefer to ftp a version of the program from one of the various archive sites. I suggest trying Demon Internet Systems, which carries the full range of PGP (Phil Zimmerman's ""Pretty Good Privacy"") implementations: directory /pub/pgp at gate.demon.co.uk. Meetings are of indeterminate time. Those who are interested are invited to join the rest of us at a pseudorandomly determined pub afterwards. Please note: - ------------ In the past few months, interested people have emailed me, requesting FAQs and special information mailings. I regret that, except in very unusual cases (e.g. working press), I cannot, in a timely manner, respond to these requests. I will, however - and for the first time - do a writeup of this meeting, which I will post in various places. What I *am* willing to supply is general information on our activities for the maintainers of existing FAQs, such as that for alt.privacy. FAQ maintainers can contact me at whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk Russell Earl Whitaker whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk Communications Editor AMiX: RWhitaker EXTROPY: The Journal of Transhumanist Thought Board member, Extropy Institute (ExI) ================ PGP 2.2 public key available ======================= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2",sci.crypt 3065,"my 14"" compacq vga monitor id dead due to the transformer's failure. if you have this part and would like to get rid of it, pls let me know. thanks.",misc.forsale 3066," But it's STILL HAPPENING. That's the entire point. Only last month, John Major hailed it as a great victory that he had personally secured a sale of arms to Saudi Arabia. The same month, we sold jet fighters to the same Indonesian government that's busy killing the East Timorese. It's all very well to say ""Oops, we made a boo-boo, better clean up the mistake"", but the US and UK *keep* making the *same* mistake. They do it so often that I can't believe it's not deliberate. This suspicion is reinforced by the fact that the mistake is an extremely profitable one for a decrepit economy reliant on arms sales. No, I thought both were terrible. ",alt.atheism 3067,,None 3068," No, that's the point of evolution, not the point of ""natural morality"". Unless, of course, as I have suggested several times already, ""natural morality"" is just a renaming. But your ""yes?"" is actually stronger than this. You are agreeing that ""every time an organism evolves cooperative behaviour"" you are going to call it a ""natural morality."" Bee dance is a naturally developed piece of cooperative behaviour.",alt.atheism 3069,"}It is so simple.... I'm surprised that this subject gets }beat to death about once a month. A quick glance in a dictionary }would clear up 99% of the confusion and bandwidth in this }newsgroup. Reading Stephen Jay Gould's essay ""Evolution as Fact and Theory"" wouldn't hurt, either. It appears in _Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes_. } Then we could talk about really important things }like, why do men have nipples? See Gould's ""Male Nipples and Clitoral Ripples"" in _Bully for Brontosaurus_. Gee, this is easy.",talk.religion.misc 3070," I didn't know God was a secular humanist... Kent",None 3071," Not to start *another* shaft effect discussion, but the twist you feel when revving sitting still is due to the larger fly-wheels that the BMW R-bikes (maybe K's too, dunno) use. If you whack the throttle at stop lights, it'll really rock the bike over (to the right). Please post if you come to any conclusion on this. I am thinking of putting a light on each cylinder guard on my R100S, and was wondering whether I was going to have to switch lights off every time I was under 5,000 RPM :-) ",rec.motorcycles 3072," What, pray tell, are you putting together? And what about costs? And does it have to be transparent as in totally transparent? Or just transparent enough to allow light from the other side to shine through? ",sci.electronics 3073," This is really uncalled for. You cannot expect a European, growing up in a culture of ""rulers"" and ""subjects,"" to immediately grasp the concepts of individual independence and citizen sovereignity in the US. He's less at fault than the countrymen we have here who also can't grasp it. -- ",talk.politics.guns 3074,,None 3075,,None 3076," The patents don't apply in Canada. I think the free trade agreement may provide for recognition of new patents, but not old ones. ",sci.crypt 3077," Autodesk Animator is a good tool. The one I like is Show Partner/FX. If you want it, I could give a copy to you. I did a lot of advertising with it - it lets you create both graphics (ANY resolution) and text frames, run it all as a ""film"", you can make choices and include music - I guess that's just what you need. If you're really interested, email me.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3078," I think the Blue Book is the NADA handbook for used car prices, no? Is the Blue Book value given the retail or wholesale value??? The Blue Book value isn't set in stone, though. Low milage, extra addons and stuff like that there can increase the resale price of the car, you may want to head on over to the local library or borrow your friends Blue Book and read up on that sort of stuff. I paid ~$400 under BB (retail) for my '87 Civic in 1990, and it was in perfect condition and had only ~14.5K miles on it. The guy was desparate to sell, new kid on the way, etc., but it was a good price. Remeber, both you and the buyer, if he has any sort of brains at all, are using the Blue Book, so you should pick a fair price. Chintan Amin llama@uiuc.edu ",rec.autos 3079,"Hello all, I know that after market sunroofs may have left a bad taste in some of your mouths, but I am really interested in finding a ""good"" brand if one exists. Please let me know if you have heard of any makers with a good reputation (few failures, no leaks, that sort of thing) and whether or not you have had first hand experience with that manufacturer. Who is generally regarded in the industry as the ""best"" (price no object) maker of power sunroofs?? --Steve ",rec.autos 3080," As a child i can remember picking up a centipede and getting a rather painful sting, but it quickly subsided. Much less painful compared to a bee sting. Centipedes have a poison claw (one of the front feet) to stun their prey, but in my single experience it did not have a lot of ""bite"" to it.",sci.med 3081,"Hi, I have a HP LaserJet III for sale. It's been printed for less than 1500 pages according the self test report. I am asking $1000 for it. If interested, please e-mail.",misc.forsale 3082," Isn't that just a variation of the ""Achilles & the turtle"" paradox, which states that achilles could never possibly overtake a turtle? How should one deal with a man who is convinced that he is acting according to God's will, and who there- Jokke fore believes that he is doing you a favour by stabbing you in the back?",talk.religion.misc 3083," : >In fact, the tradition has been passed down to their affiliate : >in Adirondack. In Gm 6 of last yr's finals, an 8 legged creature was : >hurled onto the frozen pond and landed right at the feet of ref : >Lance Roberts. : It may have been passed to Toronto, but I've even seen an octopus at : the Aud -- last year's Bruins-Sabres game. I knew all about the : Detroit version, but seeing at the Aud was a bit puzzling. :-) I don't think it's puzzling a bit. It's called ""unoriginality"". (no, i'm not bitter :)",rec.sport.hockey 3084,"... Thanks for posting the exact wording which I had not seen previously. The part I quote above seems to me to indicate disapproval of capital punishment - it is to be used only when other means are not sufficient; I would say this is a stronger restriction than saying that capital punishment is useable when justifiable. I would certainly say there are cases where a crime justifies death (perhaps this is the Old Testament interpretation), but my reverence for life would say that I would oppose the actual infliction of the death penalty (a New Testament interpretation?). It is a matter for debate whether the death penalty works to keep the peace in a way that non-violent provisions do not. I don't believe it does, and I would certainly observe that in the USA, where you have the death penalty, there is a far higher murder rate than here in the UK, where we do not.",soc.religion.christian 3085," No. The simple $25 style IDE controller does not use DMA. The CPU performs the data transfer with a string move instruction. This requires that the CPU stop what it had been doing and transfer the data. Only the smart drive controllers, be they IDE or SCSI, can transfer via DMA. These controllers tend to cost the same wether they are IDE or SCSI. To get the DMA benefits, IDE must sacrifice it's price advantage *on the controller*. Floppies aren't on the IDE bus, your arguement makes no sense, this isn't an IDE issue. The floppys have their own processor on their controller board which handles all of these commands. The difference between IDE and SCSI is that all SCSI peripherials are intelligent. They each have their own controller. They depend on the CPU to do fewer things for them, i.e. IDE drives needing a processor to transfer their data. The dettach/callback mechanism alows the CPU to make requests of the devices on the SCSI bus and then dettach and go about its business. Later, when the device is done, it issues a callback to say that the data has arrived or the function has completed. Most SCSI cards will also DMA the data into memory without the interupting the CPU, therefore allowing it to continue working uninterupted. IDE supports no such concept as dettach/callback. Can you see how this would be a win in any multitasking system? --David Willmore -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- willmore@iastate.edu | ""Death before dishonor"" | ""Better dead than greek"" | David Willmore | ""Ever noticed how much they look like orchids? Lovely!"" | ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3086,"Could anyone give me information on Umbilical hernias. The patient is over weight and has a protruding hernia. Surgery may be risky due to the obesity. What other remedies could I try? Thanx in advance",sci.med 3087," Interstellar grains are not at all close to blackbodies. The ""large"" grains have sizes of order 0.1 micron and absorb visible light with fair efficiency. However, at temperatures below 100 K, 90% of the thermal emission will be beyond 22 microns, where radiating efficiency is poor. (A small antenna cannot easily radiate at long wavelengths.) Thus the grains must heat up more in order to radiate the energy they have absorbed. Moreover, the IRAS observations had a maximum wavelength of 100 microns. Grains colder than 30 K will radiate primarily at longer wavelengths, and IRAS would be relatively insensitive to them. In the extreme limit, grains as cold as 5 K will be almost undetectable by any conceivable observation. Worse still, IRAS color temperatures are heavily contaminated by a population of ""small"" grains. These grains have only perhaps 50 atoms, and when they are hit by a single photon they heat up to temperatures of several hundred or 1000 K. Of course they cool quickly and then stay cold for a while, but _when they are radiating_ the characteristic temperature is several hundred K. Even a small population of these grains can dramatically raise the observed ""average"" temperature. A model for local infrared emission consistent with COBE data has three components. These represent scattered radiation from Zodiacal dust (color temperature 5500 K), thermal emission from Zodiacal dust (Tc = 280 K), and thermal emission from Galactic dust (Tc=25 K). At the ecliptic poles, the emissivities or dilution factors are respectively 1.9E-13, 4E-8, and 2E-5. The first two are roughly doubled in the ecliptic plane. To find the thermal equilibrium temperature, we add up the dilution factor times the fourth power of temperature for all components, then take the fourth root. In the table below, starlight comes from Allen's number that stellar emission from the whole sky is equivalent to 460 zero mag stars with B-V color of 0.75. No doubt careful work could do much better. (The person who suggested starlight had a dilution factor of E-4 must have been remembering wrong. We would be cooked if that were the case. In any event, the energy density of starlight comes out about the same as that of the microwave background, and I believe that to be correct.) Dilution Temp. DT^4 Microwave background 1 2.7 53 Galactic dust 2E-5 25 8 Zodiacal dust (emission) 6E-8 280 369 Zodiacal dust (scattering) 3E-13 5500 275 Starlight 1E-13 5500 92 ----- 797 The fourth root of 797 is 5.3 K. Outside the Solar system, the result would be 3.5 K. I find these results surprising, especially the importance of Zodiacal dust, but I don't see any serious mistakes. ",sci.space 3088,"I saw an ad for this and it basically is an advanced print manager... it lets you monitor your printing more closely and comes with a bunch of True type fonts... anyone have this? Good? Bad? Worth it? ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3089,"I am setting up my DOS/UNIX box on a 116M IDE and a 412M SCSI drive and was wondering about the use of the (MS-DOS 5.0) JOIN command. I like the way it sets things up since I won't have to stick with the C: D: & E: (crap) that DOS enforces. I like how it would mimic mount points of UNIX filesystems. I have heard that there were problems with using it, or at least under older versions of DOS. Please tell!",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3090,"Intro to ACCESS.bus (RE: the ACCESS.bus Software Creator's Contest Announcement) WHAT IS ACCESS.bus? ACCESS.bus is a new open industry standard for computer peripheral connectivity. ACCESS.bus is a serial protocol that uses simple, low-cost I2C technology to link multiple devices to a single PC port. Peripheral devices such as keyboards or keypads, locators (Mice, Trackballs, Joysticks), printers, VR gloves, digitizers, sensors, actuators or data transmitters and others can be easily daisy chained to the host PC. Applications such as CAD/CAM, Data Acquisition, Simulation, Virtual Reality, Multiple-Player/Single PC Games, Education and many, many more can now take advantage of ACCESS.bus, the technology that puts Plug and Play on every PC. The ACCESS.bus offers advantages to end-users and developers of systems and peripherals. Multiple devices connect to the host computer with only one port. Common communication methods for a number of device types lead to simplified hardware and software development. As an open standard, ACCESS.bus enables cross- platform use of the same device. ACCESS.bus TECHNOLOGICAL DESCRIPTION: ===================================== ACCESS.bus technology is an open specification, enabling anyone to implement it on host systems or in peripheral devices without fee or royalty. ACCESS.bus has a bus topology architecture. That is, a single host can accommodate up to 125 peripheral devices. ACCESS.bus data rate is 100 Kbits/sec. ACCESS.bus Physical Layer ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ACCESS.bus is a serial bus architecture, based on I2C hardware protocol, with one data line and one clock line. Standard low-cost I2C microcontrollers handle bit-level handshaking, including automatic arbitration and clock synchronization. ACCESS.bus Software Protocols ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The ACCESS.bus communication protocol is composed of three levels: I2C Protocol, Base Protocol, and Application Protocol. I2C PROTOCOL: This simple and efficient protocol defines arbitration among contending masters without losing data. I2C provides for cooperative synchronization of bus partners with different clock rates. Bus transactions include addressing, framing of bits into bytes, and byte acknowledgment by the receiver. BASE PROTOCOL: Establishes the asymmetrical interconnect between a host computer and multiple peripherals. The host becomes the ACCESS.bus manager. The Base Protocol defines the format of an ACCESS.bus message envelope, which is an I2C bus transaction with additional semantics, including checksum. Unique features of the Base Protocol are auto-addressing and hot plugging. Auto-addressing assigns devices with unique bus addresses, without the need for setting jumpers or switches. Hot plugging is the ability to attach and detach devices while the system is running, without rebooting. APPLICATION PROTOCOL: This is the highest level of the ACCESS.bus protocol which defines message semantics specific to particular types of devices. Each type requires a different Application Protocol. Three broad device types have been identified: keyboards, locators, and text devices. ACCESS.bus support on the PC ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All three levels of the ACCESS.bus protocol are supported on the PC. An add-on card implements the physical layer and uses the base protocol to communicate with physical ACCESS.bus devices. An ACCESS.bus Manager - TSR under DOS and a DLL under Windows 3.1 - controls the operation of the physical layer and interacts with the ACCESS.bus device drivers. Drivers are available for multiple ACCESS.bus keyboards, locators and printers for DOS and Windows 3.1. Also available are C language source code examples of the interface from applications to the device drivers. To Contact ABIG (the ACCESS.bus Industry Group):",comp.graphics 3091,"A friend was recently admitted to North Carolina Memorial Hospital because of suspected meningitis. Serious business. They wanted to do a lumbar puncture, for which a CT scan is a prerequisite. I arrived in her hospital room about an hour after she had returned from the CT. She was in tears. Evidently the technicians in the CT lab had been very unpleasant to her. To begin with, they put her on the apparatus that moves you into the machine itself, and just pushed a button to slide her straight into the machine, without any explanation. Imagine this. You worried you may have a deadly disease, and next thing you know you're being put into this big scary machine, without a word of explanation about what is going to happen to you. I believe this is inexcusable. She waved her hand as if to say what are you doing to me, and they responded with annoyance and anger. Next they inserted, or tried to insert, an IV catheter. Apparently she has a lot of trouble with these and complained of the pain. The technician just stopped and fixed her with a glare without any words of explanation. Is there anything I can do about these pigs ? I realize that these technicians do this sort of job day in and day out. And that some patients can be very irritating and uncooperative. But this is simply no excuse. Their purpose for existing is to help sick people, and there is no excuse for this sort of behavior. Fortunately my friend is fine. But I imagine a large proportion of the people who get CT scans are not fine at all. They have cancer and that sort of thing. They don't need this kind of shit. Also, since I named the hospital involved, I should also point out that neither she nor I have any complaints about the competence or compassion of any of the other personnel at NCMH.",sci.med 3092," _The_ problem with Oort cloud sources is that absolutely no plausible mechanism has been proposed. It would have to involve new physics as far as I can tell. Closest to ""conventional"" Oort sources is a model of B-field pinching by comets, it's got too many holes in it to count, but at least it was a good try... So you have a plausible model for GRB's at astronomical distances? I don't have any plausible models for GRBs at any distances ;-) Recent observations have just about ruled out the merging neutron star hypothesis, which had a lot of problems, anyhow. We have to look for implausible models and what is fundamentally allowed independent of models. Hmm, the ""superbowl"" burst has been claimed in press releases to cast doubt on the merging NS hypothesis, from what I've read (and I haven't seen the papers, only the press) I'd say it is consistent with some of the merging NS models A paper on the possibility of GRB's in the Oort cloud just came through the astrophysics abstract service. To get a copy of this Here is the abstract of that paper. ... indicator to these events all possible sources which are isotropically distributed should remain under consideration. This is why the Oort cloud of comets is kept on the list, although there is no known mechanism for generating \GRBs from cometary nuclei. Unlikely as it may seem, the possibility that \GRBs originate in the solar cometary cloud cannot be excluded until it is disproved. This does not propose a _mechanism_ for GRBs in the Oort (and, no, anti-matter annihilation does not fit the spectra at least as far as I understand annihilation spectra...). Big difference. That's ignoring the question of how you fit a distribution to the Oort distribution when the Oort distribution is not well known - in particular comet aphelia (which are not well known) are not a good measure of the Oort cloud distribution... ",sci.space 3093,"#|> # #|> #False dichotomy. You claimed the killing were *not* religiously #|> #motivated, and I'm saying that's wrong. I'm not saying that #|> #each and every killing is religiously motivate, as I spelled out #|> #in detail. #|> #|> Which killings do you say are religously motivated? # #For example, I would claim that the recent assassination of four #catholic construction workers who had no connection with the IRA #was probably religously motivated. # #|> At the time #|> of writing, I think that someone who claims the current violence is #|> motivated by religion is reaching. # #What would you call is when someone writes ""The killings in N.I #are not religously motivated?"" I'd say it was motivated by a primitive notion of revenge, and by misguided patriotism. Otherwise, I'd have to wonder how come mainland catholics are not killed by mainland protestants, and southern catholics are not killed by southern protestants, and so on. Take away all plausible causes bar religion, and the violence diminishes markedly. Gee, why _is_ that? #|> Now, it's possible to argue that #|> religion *in the past* is a major contributing factor to the violence in #|> the present, but I don't know of any evidence that this is so - and I'm #|> not enough of a historian to debate it. # #Given that the avowed aim of the IRA is to take Northern Ireland #into a country that has a particular church written into its #constitution, and which has restriction on civil rights dictated #by that Church, I fail to see why the word ""past"" is appropriate. The country also has a different official language written in its constitution (and vice versa :-) - maybe they're motivated by a love of Irish poetry. Your argument is fallacious, jon. For what it's worth, I agree with all that you say about Ireland above, and more. ",alt.atheism 3094,"unsubscribe ",None 3095," What is MTEZ? A dealer? A repository? Any details? -- Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3096," But of course, it is expected that umpires will show up players. Don't get me wrong, I understand the nature of the game, but I just believe that a little ego-ectomy for the umpires would make the game much better. Ted -- ""Social nags and body bags, make you dead, what a drag drag drag."" -- Saigon Kick, body bags, The Lizard ",rec.sport.baseball 3097,"# #From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: # # # # Male sex survey: Gay activity low # # Note this contradictory title- Gay Activity Low. Not really. The percentage of gays was low. Headline writers aren't noted for accuracy. # # A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough # # examination of American men's sexual practices published since # # the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 # # percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and # # 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. # # # #The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. # #The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. # # #It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for # #straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically # #how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. # #-- # # Now let's take a quick look at what you are saying. # # The median of a distribution is that variate-value which divides the # distribution halfway, i.e. 1/2 of the distribution (population) have # lower and half have higher variate-values. # # So for Males 20-39 the median=7.3, this means that half of these men # are higher than this and half are lower than this. Now if the population # sample size is 3300, and 1% of them are gay, 33 males are gay. If we Actually, 2% were either exclusively homosexual, or bisexual. You aren't readiing very carefully. # say they are distributed equally then only 16.5 are greater than 7.3 # sexual partners, of course, this means that 49.5% heterosexual men are # greater than 7.3. # # Interesting results. ",talk.politics.misc 3098,"to widgets: application code to a action to do this, processing any events afterwards. sequence events the Use a workProc. See XtAppAddWorkProc(3Xt). You should split your drawing routnie up into small chunks (this is the hard part). Then, in the callback that starts the drawing, you call XtAppAddWorkProc() to call your workProc the first time. Your workProc should be a function that returns a boolean... TRUE when you are finished, and FALSE when you want to keep processing. If you return FALSE, the workProc is automatically re-installed. Note that this method is better that using a time-out loop, since events get processed in a more precedence-oriented manner. If you are using the same Ada bindings I am, however, you are hosed, and should look into XtAppAddTimeout(3Xt). ---------- Joe Hildebrand hildjj@fuentez.com Software Engineer Fuentez Systems Concepts (703)273-1447",comp.windows.x 3099,"And just where is the evidence for this? FBI sayso. The Texas Medical Examiner refuted 2 of their lies today. Let me put you in a building, pump in CS, knock the walls down around you and see how fast you find an exit. I don't know why either, you're willing to swallow everything fed you. Good boy. Oh a Clinton apologist, why didn't you *say* so. The kgBATF was expecting a quick victory while the cameras rolled, however, they were the only ones with a script. Hey, you're the apologist, *you* tell us. ",talk.politics.guns 3100,"I have a couple applications for high speed data links 1__replacement of ultrasonic signal coaxial cables with fiber optic cable 2__applying fiber optic slip ring for 16 channel ultrasonics inspection system for CANDU reactor inspection 3__remote data link from ultrasonic pipeline inspection device including transfer of 16 channels via microwave or other higher speed transfer of ultrasonic data from remote inspection head. I would be happy to share sources...other info as acquired. Please mail me or post here. .....this is a long term upgrade over the next years _+",sci.electronics 3101," I asked some simple questions at different occations. I don't understand why some people insulted me for those SIMPLE questions! Anyway, I didn't reply to them with the same language and I won't, because 1. There is no need 2. There is no benefit 3. I don't have time to reply to those garbages By the way, do you want to know who am I? I am not a NATIONALIST Arab of 1967. I am not a COMONIST Arab of 70's. Are you sure that you want to hear my name? I am a MUSLIM FIGHTER. I am the same child who fight with your armed soldier with stone! I am the same guy who wants to bring JUSTICE to Palestine, I am the same fighter who wants to kicked Israel out of south Lebonon in the same way of the 1982. I am the son of KHOMEINI. I am honored to be a HEZBULLAH.... Don't you know me!!!? Just ask Rabin he knows me! Hamid ",talk.politics.mideast 3102,"1993 World Championships in Germany: ==================================== Group A standings (Munich) Group B standings (Dortmund) -------------------------- ---------------------------- GP W T L GF-GA +/- P GP W T L GF-GA +/- P Canada 5 5 0 0 31- 4 +27 10 Czech republic 5 4 1 0 17- 4 +13 9 Sweden 5 3 0 2 17-14 +3 6 Germany 5 4 0 1 20-12 +8 8 Russia 5 2 1 2 15-12 +3 5 USA 5 2 2 1 14-10 +4 6 Switzerland 5 2 0 3 11-14 -3 4 Finland 5 2 1 2 7- 7 0 5 ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------- Italy 4 1 1 2 7-19 -12 3 Norway 4 0 0 4 1-13 -12 0 Austria 4 0 0 4 3-21 -18 0 France 4 0 0 4 6-19 -13 0 April 18: Italy - Russia 2-2 Norway - Germany 0-6 Sweden - Austria 1-0 USA - Czech republic 1-1 April 19: Canada - Switzerland 2-0 Russia - Austria 4-2 Finland - France 2-0 April 20: Sweden - Canada 1-4 Czech republic - Germany 5-0 Switzerland - Italy 0-1 Finland - USA 1-1 April 21: Germany - France 5-3 Italy - Sweden 2-6 Czech republic - Norway 2-0 April 22: Switzerland - Russia 0-6 USA - France 6-1 Austria - Canada 0-11 Norway - Finland 0-2 April 23: Switzerland - Austria 5-1 Germany - Finland 3-1 April 24: Russia - Sweden 2-5 Czech republic - France 6-2 Canada - Italy 11-2 USA - Norway 3-1 April 25: Sweden - Switzerland 4-6 Finland- Czech republic 1-3 Russia - Canada 1-3 Germany - USA 6-3 April 26: Austria - Italy France - Norway 20:00 PLAYOFFS: ========= April 27: Quarterfinals Sweden - USA 15:30 Russia - Germany 20:00 April 28: Quarterfinals Canada - Finland 15:30 Italy/Switzerland - Czech republic 20:00 April 29: Relegation A #5 - B #6 15:30 A #6 - B #5 20:00 April 30: Semifinals A #1/B #4 - A #3/B #2 15:30 A #4/B #1 - A #2/B #3 20:00 May 1: Relegation 14:30 Bronze medal game 19:00 May 2: FINAL 15:00 ",rec.sport.hockey 3103,"HELLO, I HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH MY DIAMOND STEALTH LOCAL BUS GRAPHIC CARD. WHEN I TRY TO START WINDOWS MY SYSTEM STOP AND DISPLAY: ""NO FREE FILES HANDLES,CANNOT LOAD COMMAND,SYSTEM HALTED"" IT'S PERHAPS A BIOS SETUP PROBLEM BUT I'M NOT USED TO MY AMI-BIOS SETUP IF SOMEBODY CAN EXPLAIN ME;HOW TO SETUP SHADOW VIDEO ROM, OTHERS SHADOW ROM ,AND ALSO HOW TO CONFIG THE TWO ""ADVENCED ... SETUP"" FOR A BEST UTILISATION OF MY GRAPHIC CARD. THANKS FOR ANY ANSWER. CH.ROBERT ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3104,"Has anyone considered how to prosecute a city holding a ""no questions asked"" buy-back for receiving stolen property?",talk.politics.guns 3105," Considering what you quoted and refered to was blank, I must say: touche! Of course, you are correct, there is no atheistic mythology employed on this board. Or, if there is, it is null and void. --- Private note to Jennifer Fakult. ""This post may contain one or more of the following: sarcasm, cycnicism, irony, or humor. Please be aware of this possibility and do not allow yourself to be confused and/or thrown for a loop. If in doubt, assume all of the above.",alt.atheism 3106,"ITEM: Sony ES-CDPX229 CONDITION: mint AGE: 1 year old PRICE: $300 ITEM: Sony CDP 770 CONDITION: excellent AGE: 2.5 years old PRICE: $250 Everything comes with the original packaging and manuals. These items have only been played through audiophile system and are in excellent shape. If you are interested, or need any additional information, please e-mail (pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home. Thanks, Pete (412) 687-3735",misc.forsale 3107,"I'm a 2600 hacker from The Old Days. Let's see how much trouble I can get into by telling you what you want to know... ;-}",sci.electronics 3108,"Dale sez; I don't buy it. If the things had no value at all, people wouldn't spend money to make them. So their lack of value is just your opinion, not an actual fact, which is neither a philisophical or legal basis for prohibiting them. On the other hand, I lived in OakBrook IL for a while, where zoning laws prohibit billboards, as you mention above. I think it was a fine law, despite it's contradictory basis. I would guess that the best legal and moral basis for protest would be violation of private property. ""I bought this house, out in the boondocks, specifically to enjoy my hobby, amateur astronomy. Now this billboard has made that investment worthless, so I want the price of the property, in damages."" It wouldn't take too many succesful cases like that to make bill-sats prohibitively expensive. -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \ They communicated with the communists, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \ and pacified the pacifists. -TimBuk3",sci.space 3109,"Now available: xvertext 5.0 --------------------------- Another day, another xvertext release... Summary ------- xvertext provides you with several functions to draw strings at any angle in an X window (previous versions were limited to vertical text). What's new since 4.0? --------------------- o Existing bitmap fonts can be magnified to give reasonable fonts at large sizes. o Bounding boxes can be obtained. o The GC's stipple bitmap is honoured. o Font IDs can be cached when font names are unavailable. o An Imakefile is present. o The demos are better (including a ransom note like the comp.sources.postscript one) Where can I get it? ------------------- comp.sources.x (soon...) export.lcs.mit.edu : contrib/xvertext.5.0.shar.Z (now) ",comp.windows.x 3110,"I need to make a power supply that can take input from a cigarette lighter in a car (12v dc) and drive 7.5 volts at up to 3.0 amps. I know enough to know that a simple voltage divider with two resistors won't do it right. Can such a thing be made from Radio-Shack-able parts without too much difficulty? jps bf p.s. I've looked for premade things like this at radio shack but none of it seems to go any higher than about 800mA. ",sci.electronics 3111," Yes, but that's because interstellar grains are very poor radiators, not remotely black bodies. As a consequence they are a lot warmer than the ""ambient"". When I was in graduate school, a long time ago, we used 10,000 deg K with a DILUTION FACTOR of 10+4 for representative values of the radiant energy background in the galaxy due to starlight. ",sci.space 3112,"-- Kevin makes a good point here, and when that theists miss all-too-often. That is, the belief in a diety is not necessarily coupled with agreement/love of that diety, so really they have yet another bit of convincing to do just beyond belief. I guess the standard argumet goes something like: well, once you believe in God, you know God is love, and you will choose to love him-- if it wasnt so widely accepted and asserted it'd be laughable... best regards, --Adam",alt.atheism 3113,"Subject: Re: Europe vs. Muslim Bosnians From: Satya Prabhakar, prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 15:50:31 GMT BIGOTRY"" Muslims, This kind of racialist generalization is utterly inappropriate. SOME Bosnian Muslims cooperated with the Nazis in World War 2. Other Bosnian Muslims risked their lifes to hide Jews from the Nazis and Ustashe, and those Jews who survived the war remember that. In fact the Jewish leader in Sarajevo has remained there saying he wants to repay the debt to the Bosnian Muslims that saved so many Jewish lives in WW2. Similarly, SOME Serbs are ""doing"" to Muslims now. This is a group of serial-killers, rapists, and thieves who have control of the vast Yugoslav army arsenal. Many other Serbs oppose these atrocities. As one of Serbian heritage who condemns emphatically the genocide being carried out against Muslims by both HVO and Mladic forces, I condemn your generalization about Bosnian Muslims and about Serbs. This is not a fresh case of Every place on earth is the scene of a saga of mutual hatred and destruction. The holocaust was not a ""fresh case."" It was another chapter in a 900 year history of attacks on Jews in Europe. That didn't make it acceptable. and Balkan history does not make the genocide against Bosnian Muslims acceptable. Not taking sides in this Standing by and allowing well-armed criminals to slaughter Bosnian Muslim civilians, while enforcing an arms embargo against the Bosnian Muslims is not only religious bigotry it is direct complicity in mass-murder. It could just You tell us a region on earth that does have a long history of war. NATO is the largest military ""police force"" in the world. It was not ""helpless."" It could have stopped the carnage a year ago. Regards, Mike.",talk.politics.mideast 3114,"Pitchers are required to pitch (or feint or attempt a pick-off) within 20 seconds after receiving the ball, not 15. Pitchers are required to pitch their warm-up throws within a one minute time frame, beginning after each half inning ends, not two minutes. And the reason why a reliever should be allowed warm-ups is simple: Different mound, different catcher. Ryan Robbins Penobscot Hall University of Maine",rec.sport.baseball 3115," Sure. It has caused my wife to conclude that I am totally insane, not just partially:-} Usually I just lift the left hand off the wheel and wave thru the windshield. Damn near the same motion as on the bike:-} tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil",rec.motorcycles 3116," It's public because it belongs to everybody. It's vandalism because many people -- power companies -- do maliciously waste light. If they can sell you or your city or your state an unshielded light that wastes 30 to 50 percent of its light, they make more _money_. Never mind that your money is wasted. Never mind that taxpaper's money is wasted. Never mind that the sky is ruined. Bob Bunge",sci.space 3117," Not only have I not heard of the Western Business School, or the University of Western Ontario, I've never even wondered if there WAS a western Ontario. And judging by the quality of the posts coming from there, I'm still not sure that the place exists. Perhaps I should be impressed, though, since it appears that grade school children in that area have access to the Internet.",rec.sport.hockey 3118,": : >You might -- except that gay men are MUCH more promiscuous than : >straight men -- which shows how damaged and screwed up gay men are. : : Okay Claytoon, let us say that hypothetically I agree with you that : gay men are much more promiscuous than straight men. Why does : this indicate they are screwed up people? : : BTW - It occurs to me that since, in my experience, men are much more : interested in sex than women and want to have sex much earlier : in a relationship than women do, that homosexuals would have : sex more often simply becuase their partner is of a like mind. : i.e. heterosexual men would be more promiscuous if they could. It's my observation that women are more likely to me more strongly indoctronated into now wanting sex that are men. Also there are definite double standards for men and women who are promiscuous. Could there also be a factor of communication being more direct in homosexual relationships and culture. --",talk.politics.misc 3119," >Qualcomm had spare cycles in the DSPs for their new CDMA digital >cellular phones. They wanted to put strong crypto into them since they >had the capacity. The government decided to ""discourage"" them. You're blowing smoke. Qualcomm wants to sell to nice, lucrative overseas markets like Japan and the EC. The government told them ""don't do encryption if you ever hope to export this technology"". The reason that CDMA doesn't have encryption is NOT because the G-men came a'knocking at Qualcomm's door. It's because Qualcomm doesn't think that the US market for digital cellular is big enough for them. This is just the International Traffic in Arms Regulations all over again. Perry has already stated on the net that Qualcomm wanted to sell overseas, and the government told them they wouldn't be allowed to export, so he's only blowing the same smoke you are :-) Sure, they probably could have made a US version, and a non-crypto export version, and contracted with a Bulgarian or Japanese software house to develop an overseas crypto ROM, but that's getting pretty expensive. No, Cylink sells their phones because they're willing to make different stuff for domestic use vs. export. Qualcomm isn't. So Cylink makes money--that's capitalism, comrade. Well, some people like capitalism, and others prefer free enterprise; they're different! Using the government to stifle your competition is capitalist. >Someone out there WILL build a unit to do all this. Better yet, >prehaps someone will produce a package that turns any 486 box with a >sound card into a secure phone. ""Someone"" this and ""someone"" that. If you think it's so easy, why are you whining on the net instead of getting your butt in gear and writing it? Writing good crypto code is something most good programmers can do; writing good new crypto algorithms is a very specialized skill. Developing new voice coding algorithms is also pretty specialized, but finding ways to implement the more complex ones when you don't have enough horsepower is still fairly hairy stuff. Once the 586/Pentium becomes widespread, or the next generation of sound boards has DSPs on it, I suspect we'll see it happen. Maybe the vanilla 486+Soundblaster is enough.",sci.crypt 3120,"Wing ding XV will take place in Louisville, Kentucky from 15 June-18 June. For more info, or to register, contact GWWRA, P.O.Box 14350, Phoenix, AZ, 85017, Tel. (602) 269-1403. -- ",rec.motorcycles 3121,".... Thanks for posting the references. I do not normally read t.p.m., and I posted my request for references because Jim's article was cross-posted to soc.culture.jewish. Allegations of Jewish disrespect for the objects and buildings of other religions are one of antisemitic stereotypes that permeate western culture, and rumors of church and Host desacration probably caused more pogroms than blood libel. The stereotypes that pervade our culture create cognitive illusions that reify those stereotypes. Therefore any claim that appears to reify a stereotype should be treated by decent people with utmost suspicion until and unless documented. If such a claim is cross-posted to a news group in which it has not been documented before, such as s.c.j, a reference should be given the first time it appears. Now that the claim has been documented, I regard the whole episode as disgusting and shameful. Especially so because the official who failed to provide proper temporary facilities for the evicted Jordanians was probably Jewish, and as a Jew I know that he should have known better.",talk.politics.mideast 3122,"What sadist brought up this vein about Malarchuk? When I saw what happened I wanted to throw up, and at the same time I was devastated, since I thought that Malarchuk wouldn't survive. BTW, I believe he picked up an alcohol problem after (before?) the incident. To radically change the subject, the Caps must be having nightmares about the Isles in overtime in the playoffs. Have they *ever* beaten the Islanders in a playoff OT game? This is lunacy. The Caps are such a sorry team in the playoffs, they consistently choke against opponents who they should be beating. Losing two OT games in a row is not coincidence, it's evidence of the choke factor. ",rec.sport.hockey 3123," NCD just announced a new generation of PC-Xview. They changed the name a little though and I can't remember exactly... PC-Xsomething.",comp.windows.x 3124,"[...] The President is not competent to plan or judge the planning of such a raid, nor does he need to be. His job is to set basic policies and manage the people under him. If Clinton instructed Reno to preserve lives, and if she confirmed that the plan for the raid was a safe as could be, then he did his job. The President should not involve himself in the minor details of these kinds of operations. This sort of micromanagement only leads to disaster, as was demonstrated so well in Vietnam. But the raid went bad: Over 80 civilians have been killed in a controntation with U.S. authorities. NOW Clinton enters the picture in a big way. Will Clinton start an investigation? Or will he try to squash any attempt to investigate? Is he a responsible leader? Or is he only interested in protecting the image of his administration? We'll all find out as this unfolds. -- ",talk.politics.guns 3125," I think its a great, but idealistic idea. A reseacher will first of all try to publish a worthy paper in a credible, professional magazine and not in a community like USENET which is infamous for lots (not all) of junk information. The papers that will be ""published"" here will, in general, be of low quality. Also, it is improbable that any credit will be given to a researcher who publish here - and sadly, that is nowadays a main reason for publishing. USENET is great for informal discussions and free exchange of ideas - keep it like that. A new, specialist group is just not worth it.",sci.electronics 3126," Well, this is *only* a guess: If it goes by the ""true"" meaning of ""bit map"", then it holds (x,y,c) where x pixel number in th ex-direction, y: pixel-number in the y-dir, c: colour.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3127,"To: All Uniden Cordless Phone-Model XE 300. Perfect working condition, but base station is missing its antenna (the antenna mount is intact). $25, shipping included if prepaid. DO NOT REPLY TO: dino.fiabane@pics.com. Your mail will bounce if it is sent to that address. Instead, please reply only via private E-Mail to: pics!dino.fiabane@twwells.com (Since my home BBS can only handle personal messages through E-Mail for the time being, any further replies from me to you will also arrive via E-Mail instead of by way of a regular newsgroup.) Dino Fiabane, 150 Weston Drive, Cherry Hill, NJ 08003-2132 phone (609) 424-3836 * SLMR 2.1a * reply to: pics!dino.fiabane@twwells.com via E-Mail ",misc.forsale 3128,"I heard they were posted somewhere, but I can not find them. Please e-mail location. Thanks, -Jody -- Jody Hagins -- hagins@avlin8.us.dg.com Data General Corporation, Linthicum, MD",rec.sport.baseball 3129,"...... When did Koresh go on a rampage? What I saw was an unnecessary, unprovoked massive attack on Feb. 28th. Probably even an illegal action by ATF, certainly way out of proportion to anything reasonable. And yet, according to a pole taken yesterday, 95% of the people poled believe the government forces acted appropriately. They don`t believe Reno or the President have any guilt in ordering/allowing the attack. I suppose they also believed things like: ""I would present a 5-year plan to balance the budget."" ""We don`t need to lead with a tax increase...."" ""It starts with a middle-class tax cut..."" ""I`ll have the bills ready the day after I am inaugurated and we`ll have a 100 day period....It will be the most productive in modern history."" ""I will ask congress for a line item veto.."" ""I will lift the social security earnings test.."" I personally prefer to disbelieve the government until they prove themselves right, rather than the other way around. That way I have a better than 50% chance of being right about my first guess! Read the constitution sometime, it is supposed to protect the citizens and their rights. I am sick of the abuse of government power.",talk.politics.guns 3130,"Can some kind soul point me to references for the above formats? Thanks,",comp.graphics 3131," Um, I sortof hesitate to bring this up, but owning even a single share entitles you to attend the annual shareholders meeting, and under most corporate charters to introduce topics to be discussed. While I *don't* suggest the tactic used by some in Japan (go to the shareholders meeting, and disrupt the bejeezus out of everything), what about a well-worded resolution complaining about ""advocacy journalism""? ",talk.politics.guns 3132," According to MacWeek of 2-22-93: The Cyclone will come in the same metal minitower case as the Quadra 800, while the Tempest will share the low-slung case of the Centris 610. Apple will offer a miniature video camera that can be mounted above the user's monitor or moved about on the end of its cable to take pictures of objects or documents. Taking advantage of the 32-bit digital signal processor (DSP) built into the systems' logic boards, the camera will be able to put an image measuring 360 by 288 pixels, with 256 gray levels, on the screen. Users will be able to install supplementary lenses that can record detail as fine as the wire bonds on an integrated circuit. The camera is expected to cost between $150 and $250. The systems will ship with all the software needed to put Apple's Casper voice-recognition technology to work; users apparently will have to purchase an operational high-fidelity microphone. The two models will talk as well as listen. A new system facility called the Speech Manager will convert text strings sent by applications to phonemes and then pass them to a speech synthesizer. The Cyclone will include a 40MHz '040, three NuBus slots and support for up to 128MB of RAM. The Tempest will use a 25MHz LC040, lacking an FPU, and hold up to 68MB of RAM; it will have a single slot that will require a NuBus adapter and have room for only 7-inch NuBus cards. Users will be able to update the Tempest's process but not the Cyclone's.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3133,"I posted a message here some time ago asking why my mouse was so jumpy. Well, I think I know why, and it doesn't have anything to do with the mouse. It seems to be the video driver! Here's why I think that: A few weeks ago I helped a guy install the driver for his S3 video card for windows. He had been using the normal Windows default VGA driver. We don't have the same kind of mouse (mine is microsoft serial and his is an off- brand serial mouse). His mouse worked fine until I installed the S3 (v1.4) driver on his system, then his mouse became really jumpy too! Is there anything I can do? I need high resolution since I display LOTS of stuff on my screen (AMI Pro, Pegasus Mail for Windows, WP Office 4.0 -- sorry, nondisclosure!, and alot more). I noticed there are S3 drivers on ftp.cica, but they are the same version that I already have and they are no help (I already tried!). --- Sean Eckton Computer Support Representative College of Fine Arts and Communications D-406 HFAC Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)378-3292",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3134,"Jasen Mabus RPI student I am looking for a hman brain in any CAD (.dxf,.cad,.iges,.cgm,etc.) or picture (.gif,.jpg,.ras,etc.) format for an animation demonstration. If any has or knows of a location please reply by e-mail to mabusj@rpi.edu.",comp.graphics 3135," I imagine that was the MKS Toolkit, from Mortice Kern Systems. Another third party add-in, and a good one too. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3136,"I believe that that would be the same as a system error #64. Since there is no error #64, then I would guess that it would be a -64 error. Which is a font manager error of ""error during font declairation"". I would assume that the system that's on the floppy that you are trying start up on has a corrupted font in it, or something like that. Mario Murphy",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3137," Let's put it this way, they have a charter and several executive orders to obey, among other things which *explicitly* prohibit sharing this information (unless things have changed withing the last little while). I suppose they could ignore it, if they choose. But I doubt they would. For an authoritative look at the NSA, get Bamford's ""The Puzzle Palace"". That's all I can say. ",sci.crypt 3138,,None 3139," Your ignorance is showing. The BATF warrant was unsealed. The entire operation was illegal from day ONE.",talk.politics.misc 3140," [some big deletions] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Another in a string of idiotic generalizations. Gad, I'm surprised I got this far down in the post. I guess some just like seeing their names up on a CRT. Like me :-) Phil Trodwell ",alt.atheism 3141,,None 3142," Actually, I just think he's confused. *I'm* going to hell because I'm Gay, not becuase I don't believe in God. (I wonder if that means I can't come to Tammy & Deans picnic?)",alt.atheism 3143,"Try using Laser printer/copier paper, it works quite well and is cheaper than HPspecial paper. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3144," Are you sure you want to include Chalcedon here? I presume that you mean the description of Jesus as fully human and fully devine. Almost everyone would consider the majority of Copts and Armenians, and the Jacobites, as Christians, yet for 15 centuries it has been maintained that they disagree with the Formula of Chalcedon. Those that wouldn't consider them Christians are most likely to object that these communities don't require a personal commitment to Jesus, which is only tangentially related to the Formula of Chalcedon. -- Thanks, John Kolassa, kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu",soc.religion.christian 3145,"In light of the 100 letter over ""What was the LISA"" I thought I'd start a new one. What was the IIvx? I hear it was some machine that predated the main 040 line by about 6 mos, but used obsolete tech. Rumor has it that several were sold.... ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3146,"hi folks i have a 386 25 mhz and now i'm buying a new 486 first question) which is the best way to share hard disks and printer p.s. my two pc will be far about 10 meter and i like to use a parallel port or ethernet card and i like to share resource under dos linux os2.1 and windows 3.1 & nt 2) which 486? i think to buy 486 dx2 50mzh local bus but i heard that some board coulnd't work properly cause some incompatibilites is that true? should a 486 dx 50 mhz a better solution in case i buy local bus it's better to buy an accelerated svga card with a normal local bus ide controller or it is better to buy a local bus svga card non accelerated with a normal ide controller? 3) is there any accelerated local bus and possibly true color svga card? at which price? 4) i need to buy a cd which is the cheapest that is able to read musical photo kodak and computer cd rom i have heard about a sony and a mitsumi which is best? and which controller work with its? ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3147," Why should he have to? This sort of thing should be included. How about the millions of people who don't have access to pd libraries over networks? Just because people can work around it, doesn't mean that something shouldn't be done to remedy the situation.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3148," On all 1.44Mb drives (both Mac and PC), the disk spins at a constant RPM. On 800k Mac disk drives, the spin rate of the disk is varied so that the tracks pass under the head at a constant speed; a slower rotation for the outer tracks, and a faster rotation for the inner tracks. A PC needs special controller hardware to make this happen.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3149," I have not seen this book, though I have had several people quote it in support of some tendentious assertions they were making, so I have become curious about it. I don't want to malign this Hislop fellow, whoever he may be, as I have only heard the arguments at second hand, but both of the arguments seemed to turn on false etymology that SEEMED to be derived from Hislop. I would be interested in knowing more about these things. The first one claimed that the word ""church"" was derived from the Greek ""cyclos"", and that it was therefore related to the worship of ""Circe"". I don't know if Hislop is the source of this assertion, but it does seem to be based on false etymology. The second claimed an etymological relationship between ""Ishtar"" and ""Easter"", which seemed to be even more fanciful and far-fetched than some of the wilder notions of the British Israelites. Regarding the latter, as far as I have been able to find out, ""Easter"" is derived from the old English name for April - ""Eosturmonath"". The Venerable Bede mentioned that this was associated with a goddess called ""Eostre"", but apart from that reference I have not been able to find out anything more about her. It also seems that the term ""Easter"" is only used by the English and those they evangelized. The Germans, for example, also use the term ""Ostern"", but Germany was evangelized by English missionaries. So I would be interested in any evidence of ""Easter"" being used for Pascha by people who do not have any kind of connection with the ancient Anglo- Saxons and their offshoots. Such evidence might support the claims of those who appear to derive the theory from Hislop. ",soc.religion.christian 3150," On the subject of the upcoming new Mustang: The car magazines have printed a lot of information about the new Mustang and the consensus about what to believe in my ""car circle"" is that the suspension pieces and tuning will be almost identical to the current Cobra, but on a stiffer body structure which will improve its behavior. After the MN12 (Thunderbird) cost and weight debacle, Ford decided independent rear suspension with rear wheel drive won't be tried again in a volume car. The current 4.9l V-8 will soldier on for about two years. A version of the 32 valve modular V-8 in the Mark VIII could be offered then. Ford is spending big money tooling up for 2.5l and 3.5l V-6 engines which will power most of their cars in the immediate future, and therefore probably do not consider volume production of 300 hp V-8 engines a priority. Undisguised, the car looks OK, but not nearly as exciting as the new Camaro/Firebird, IMO. I suspect Ford will produce their car with higher quality than GM will achieve with the Camaro/ Firebird. The way GM loses money, the temptation to ""just get them out the door"" for the sake of positive cash flow will be great once demand really takes off. ",rec.autos 3151,"fuchs@tsar.princeton.edu (Ira H. Fuchs): the the using ",None 3152," ",None 3153," Hmm, depends on how you define 'clean'. Jordan implemented the system dependent stuff in a way that you have basic implementations for, call it, operating system types, then you go ahead and write a include file for your specific machine or operating system using the basic implementations. Since both Jordan and I haven't encountered a OS flavor yet, that is fully POSIX, we haven't gotten around to really implement (and test) a top-level include file specifically for just posix. The posix routines are used in the sun specific file tty_sun.i for example, but here we also use some bsd stuff. All in all it still is probably better to implement a include file for each and every operating system than '#ifdef'ing in existing ones. The type of mess that can result from that can clearly be seen in the xterm sources. Even if quite a bit of code gets copied almost unchanged a couple of times, this only uses up some disk space, since only the ""drivers"" actually included from the toplevel include file will be compiled into emu. It shouldn't be hard to come up with a tty_linux.i file that fully relies on the posix stuff, but unfortunately I don't have a linux system available to me, so I can't do the port myself. I would suggest you read the README in term/sysdep and if you have any problems or questions, contact me and we could try to sort this out. Unfortunately we have to rely on help from the net on this part of emu, since we just don't have access to that many different systems. Michael ",comp.windows.x 3154,"Pat Myrto says if law enforcement wants keys, let them get a court order and then ask him for them. Most use of probably cause wiretapping warrants isn't to decrypt historical traffic, but for prospective listening once probably cause is established. Pat's approach would tip off the crooks. David",sci.crypt 3155," ^^^^^^ Pardon my ignorance of foreign currency and exchange rates, but what is a quid, how does it relate to the British Pound (or whatever it's called) and what is that in American Dollars??? :-) Thanks!",sci.electronics 3156,"Remove LEGEND from the V-8 list, it's a 6.",None 3157,": : : ""Numerical Recipes in C""..Fortran..Pascal has a nice section on : encryption and decryption based on the DES algorithm. There is : also source code provided (I think some versions of this book are : distributed with the source code on disk; the source code can : also be ordered from the publisher). : : --Victor Iseli : victori@xetron.com Yes I benchmarked the DES implementation in the Recipes in C book.. it is about 1 1/2 orders of magnitude SLOWER than the Outerbridge/Karn/Gillogly/et al implementation. It may be instructional, but it isn't very fast.",sci.crypt 3158,"I do. Yesterday. Seriously, Countess Ada of Lovelace gets the credit. She first used it in the late 80s. Her bike: the spokeless wonder. Jack Waters II DoD#1919",rec.motorcycles 3159," Owieneramus. Always has to stick his 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF' made nose into every discussion with non-points and lies. Well, still anxiously awaiting... Source: Cemal Kutay, ""Ottoman Empire,"" vol. II., p. 188. ""The atrocities and massacres which have been committed for a long time against the Muslim population within the Armenian Republic have been confirmed with very accurate information, and the observations made by Rawlinson, the British representative in Erzurum, have confirmed that these atrocities are being committed by the Armenians. The United States delegation of General Harbord has seen the thousands of refugees who came to take refuge with Kazim Karabekir's soldiers, hungry and miserable, their children and wives, their properties destroyed, and the delegation was a witness to the cruelties. Many Muslim villages have been destroyed by the soldiers of Armenian troops armed with cannons and machine guns before the eyes of Karabekir's troops and the people. When it was hoped that this operation would end, unfortunately since the beginning of February the cruelties inflicted on the Muslim population of the region of Shuraghel, Akpazar, Zarshad, and Childir have increased. According to documented information, 28 Muslim villages have been destroyed in the aforementioned region, more than 2,000 people have been slaughtered, many possessions and livestock have been seized, young Muslim women have been taken to Kars and Gumru, thousands of women and children who were able to flee their villages were beaten, raped and massacred in the mountains, and this aggression against the properties, lives, chastity and honour of the Muslims continued. It was the responsibility of the Armenian Government that the cruelties and massacres be stopped in order to alleviate the tensions of Muslim public opinion due to the atrocities committed by the Armenians, that the possessions taken from the Muslims be returned and that indemnities be paid, that the properties, lives, and honour of the Muslims be protected."" Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 3160," -Allergy medicine, huh? Is this just to get rid of the resultant migraine or whatever, or does it actually suppress allergic reactions? (i.e. like an antihistamine does?) As far as doctors over here are concerned, if you slip up and eat something you're allergic to (even if they won't test you to tell you what to avoid) then tough; if a _cheap_ medicine will alleviate your symptoms, then fine, otherwise you just suffer. One doctor did prescribe me imigran (costs the NHS #48 for 6 tablets) after having to rehydrate me because I'd been throwing up for four solid days and couldn't even drink water - but I got taken off it again when I moved and had to change doctors. Reasoning: they did not know what the side-effects were because it was new. OK, fine - but it has passed the safety tests to get on the prescription list, and anyway I was prepared to take the risk to have quality of life now. The only alternatives I have is to get it prescribed privately, which I cannot afford, or to pay a private allergy specialist to test me and tell me what to avoid. I am fairly certain I am allergic to more than one chemical additive, as a lot of things I can't eat have nothing in common except things I know are safe, so testing myself isn't really an option; there are too many permutations. ",sci.med 3161," Is the sending of encrypted traffic without government permission legal in New Zealand? David",sci.crypt 3162," Well I agree with you in the sense that they have no ""moral"" right to inflict these rules, but there is one thing I might add: at the very least, almost everybody wants to avoid pain, and if that means sacrificing some stuff for a herd morality, then so be it. Right, and since they grew up and learned around us, they have some idea of our right and wrong, which I think must, in part, be incorporated. Very rarely do you see criminal behaviour for ""philosophical reasons"" (stuff deleted) -- best regards, --Adam",alt.atheism 3163," It seems faith is the only tool available for emotional purposes due to the tragedy. As such it maybe fills a need, however I'm getting tired to see children dying in pain in Sudan due to lack of food, and assuming that God takes these sufferers to heaven after a painful death. Cheers, Kent",talk.religion.misc 3164,"-> >-> -> >-> For those who still doubt what is going on, this is -> >-> from the still uncensored AP wire: -> >-> -> >-> Two journalists from Houston arrested at gun-point and -> >-> cuffed and jailed for taking pictures of the compound today. -> >-> Later released on bail, but cameras and film were confiscated. -> >-> -> >-> jh -> > -> > You could work for CNN. Take a few lines from a story and -> >imply something with it but don't say what you really mean. -> > -> > The police always close off the area around a major crime -> >scene to keep evidence from being disturbed -> -> By taking pictures? They leave foot prints, they may drop some trash on the ground, and they may pick up something that looks interesting. -> -> >, and it is a misdemeanor -> >to enter the closed off area. One of the photographers also quickly -> >spun around with a long lens camera while the officer was approaching, -> >a good way to get shot. -> -> Well, that (hopefully) depends on what country one is in. It has nothing to do with the country. You are coming toward someone in an area where there has been violent confrontations, and one guy spins around quickly with an object that looks like a gun. Police are not trained to stand there and let someone gun them down. -> There was also no indication in that story -> >that they wouldn't get their cameras and film back after getting out -> >of jail. -> -> Once goverment agents have had an opportunity to check -> the film out. You're making statements that are not supported by facts. Don't let paranoia get the best of you. Wait to see if the reporters don't get their film back or they get it back developed before screaming conspiracy. -> -> I think it was Barry Goldwater who once said ""the goverment -> that is big enough to give you everything is big enough to -> take everything from you."" You life and/or freedom including. -> Of course, that could not happen to you, could it? Our government is not big enough to give you everything, despite the efforts of people like Bill Clinton. Taking a statement like that and thinking `everything done in the name of law enforcement is wrong' is simple minded and ignorant of history. A government is a necessary evil, and we must decide what it should be allowed to do based on facts, history, and not by baseless claims.",talk.politics.misc 3165," There were a great many Germans, Poles and others who did not sympathize with the victims of the Holocaust but instead participated with enthusiasm in the killing. The Holocaust wasn't a massacre, it wasn't even killing for sport; it was an entire Industry of Death. German engineers, architects technicians and bureaucrats proudly put their best efforts into as efficient and methodical a Killing Machine as they could devise and operate. And it certainly was something extraordinary. Please don't bleat to us about how the Nazis suffered from the Holocaust. All Jews suffered during WWII [...] was ""correct"" him with: All humans suffered [...] So what WERE you implying? Are we supposed to thank you for your generosity? Or should we be pleased with your minimal common sense? Why is it that when someone writes something simple like ""All Jews sufffered during WWII"" that YOU feel the burning need to add commentary? Regardless of what people write, you keep trying to twist things into what YOU want to hear. People with similar tendencies in more extreme form are sometimes called Historical Revisionists. Is this something that you aspire to? ",talk.politics.mideast 3166," I don't think there is a general distinction. Rather, there are two classes of chronic hepatitis: chronic active hepatitis and chronic persistent hepatitis. I can't think of any other disease where the term persistent is used with or in preference to chronic. Much as these two terms ""chronic active"" and ""chronic persistent"" sound fuzzy, the actual distinction between the two conditions is often fairly fuzzy as well.",sci.med 3167," And here is the first patch :-) The following fixes some problems with the Imakefile files and makes it possible to compile xv-3.00 under Solaris without having to use the ucb stuff: *** 1.1 1993/04/28 06:05:03 --- Imakefile 1993/04/28 08:20:35 *************** *** 209,215 **** OBJS4= xcmap.o PROGRAMS= xv bggen vdcomp xcmap ! #if defined(HaveJpeg) || defined(HaveTiff) # ifdef HaveJpeg --- 209,218 ---- OBJS4= xcmap.o PROGRAMS= xv bggen vdcomp xcmap ! all:: ! @echo """" ! @echo "" Did you remember to 'make depend' first?"" ! @echo """" #if defined(HaveJpeg) || defined(HaveTiff) # ifdef HaveJpeg *************** *** 222,238 **** SUBDIRS = tiff # endif # define PassCDebugFlags MakeSubdirs($(SUBDIRS)) - DependSubdirs($(DUBDIRS)) #endif all:: - @echo """" - @echo "" Did you remember to 'make depend' first?"" - @echo """" - - all:: @echo "" building xv ..."" @echo """" --- 225,236 ---- SUBDIRS = tiff # endif # define PassCDebugFlags + # define IHaveSubdirs MakeSubdirs($(SUBDIRS)) #endif all:: @echo "" building xv ..."" @echo """" *************** *** 259,267 **** SRCS = $(SRCS1) $(SRCS2) $(SRCS3) $(SRCS4) - DependTarget() AllTarget($(PROGRAMS)) NormalProgramTarget(xv,$(OBJS1),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),) NormalProgramTarget(bggen,$(OBJS2),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),) --- 257,269 ---- SRCS = $(SRCS1) $(SRCS2) $(SRCS3) $(SRCS4) + AllTarget($(PROGRAMS)) + DependTarget() + #ifdef IHaveSubdirs + DependSubdirs($(SUBDIRS)) + #endif NormalProgramTarget(xv,$(OBJS1),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),) NormalProgramTarget(bggen,$(OBJS2),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),) *** 1.1 1993/04/28 08:33:13 --- xv.h 1993/04/28 08:19:31 *************** *** 284,292 **** --- 284,298 ---- /* signal macros */ + #if defined(sun) && defined(SYSV) + #define HOLD_SIG sighold(SIGALRM) + #define RELEASE_SIG sigrelse(0) + #define PAUSE_SIG sigpause(0) + #else #define HOLD_SIG sigblock(sigmask(SIGALRM)) #define RELEASE_SIG sigblock(0) #define PAUSE_SIG sigpause(0) + #endif /* default for most folks */ *************** *** 318,323 **** --- 324,333 ---- #define random rand #define srandom srand #endif + #if defined(sun) && defined(SYSV) + #define random() rand() + #define srandom(x) srand(x) + #endif *** 1.1 1993/04/28 06:09:50 --- xcmap.c 1993/04/28 07:09:03 *************** *** 9,15 **** --- 9,19 ---- /* include files */ #include + #if defined(sun) && defined(SYSV) + #include + #else #include + #endif #include #include *** 1.1 1993/04/28 06:17:41 --- tiff/Imakefile 1993/04/28 08:53:34 *************** *** 49,59 **** --- 49,69 ---- tif_compress.o: Imakefile + #if HasGcc g3states.h: mkg3states.c t4.h -${RM} g3states.h + ${CC} -traditional -o mkg3states ${CFLAGS} mkg3states.c + ./mkg3states > g3states.h || rm g3states.h + #else + g3states.h: mkg3states.c t4.h + -${RM} g3states.h ${CC} -o mkg3states ${CFLAGS} mkg3states.c ./mkg3states > g3states.h || rm g3states.h + #endif depend:: g3states.h + clean:: + -${RM} mkg3states g3states.h + DependTarget()",comp.windows.x 3168,"Because riding a passenger doesn't really depend on the type of bike. The things you want a passenger to do/not do is the same. Ergo, if he's asking advice, I reasoned he doesn't have much practice, period. If you say he does, fine. I still wouldn't take the uninitiated up a road that's all switch backs and reverse/center/uncrowned roadway, not to mention the BDCs and squids who will also be on that particular road. He asked for advice, and even though it wasn't what he meant, I still consider it some of the best I've read. ",rec.motorcycles 3169,"I have an external drive connected to my IIsi. This is never recognized and mounted on system startup. I can mount it with the SCSI control panel. I'm running system 7.0.1, and everything is properly terminated. Would anyone have a helpful idea at to the problem? ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3170," On a similar note, a good friend of mine worked as a clerk in a chain bookstore. Several of his peers were amazing, one woman in particular: A customer asked her if they had _The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin_. ""Who's it by?"" was her first question. Then, ""Is he still alive?"" Then, ""Is it fiction or non-fiction?"" Finally my friend intervened, and showed the guy where it was. It makes one wonder what the standards of employment are.",alt.atheism 3171," Krishna. BG10:20(Miller) I am the self abiding in the heart of all creatures; I am their beginning, their middle, and their end. BG10:32(Miller) I am the beginning, the middle, and the end of creations, Arjuna; of sciences, I am the science of the self; I am the dispute of orators. BG10:41(Miller) Whatever is powerful, lucid, splendid, or invulnerable has its source in a fragment of my brilliance. (42) What use is so much knowledge to you, Arjuna? I stand sustaining this entire world with a fragment of my being. BG11:32(Miller) I am time grown old ...",talk.religion.misc 3172,"To: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) RT> o Those administering the treatment do not know which subjects RT> receive a placebo or the test treatment. It seems to me that many drugs have such severe side effects that it might not be possible to keep the doctors from knowing who is getting the true drug. This is especially true of the drugs used for ""mental"" illnesses.",sci.med 3173," Why are circuit boards green? The material used to make them goes by two names. If it is used to make circuit boards it is called FR-4. The same material is used in the cryogenics industrya and marine industries as a structural material and is called G-10. FR-4 and G-10 are both green. They are not green because of a solder masking agent. The basic ingredients are a clear epoxy resin and glass fibers. I am not sure what the specs are on the resin, but if you are really curious you can call NEMA (National Electronics Manufacturing Association) or Ciba Geigy (a major manufacturer of epoxy resins) to find out. As an aside, I occasionally mix clear epoxy and glass microsphres to cast small structures for cryogenics experiments. The proportions of glass to epoxy are about the same as in G-10. They are the same green color. ",sci.electronics 3174," We're NOT???! Hell, I was wondering why there was all the pointless woffle about motorcycles. ",rec.motorcycles 3175,"T.S.Reddy writes While the people here may be claim to be Muslim, the actions reported here, if they actually happened, are 180 degrees opposite from what Islam stands for, and I, for one, condemn them. --",talk.politics.mideast 3176," (Whatever the above comment has to do with the hazards of fighting a fire in the midst of ammo cooking off...) Maybe the fire department was loudly complaining the whole time about being diverted from their other duties, and the FBI said ""FIne. Go home and we'll call you if we need you."" A million things could have happened, we don't know. BTW, this is the first time I have heard that the Waco FD was on scene for all but the last 2 days... what's the source (out of curiosity)? ",talk.politics.guns 3177," I suppose for the same reason Jews call the Occupied Territory, Judea and Sumaria. It's called propaganda and if you repeat lies often enough, people start to believe it.",talk.politics.mideast 3178,"FOR SALE 1945 King Feature Syndicate Jaymar Specialty Company 200 Fifth Avenue New York, NY Cardboard puzzle - NO BOX Pieces worn from use NO MISSING PIECES Size: 13 3/4 inches by 21 1/2 inches 60 Puzzle Pieces Puzzle depicts Dagwood, Blondie, the kids, and dog Daisey with her puppies on a picnic with Dagwood and Alexander trying to get a fishing line out of a tree.",misc.forsale 3179,"acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Turin Turambar, ME Department of Utter Misery) said re. Dan Schaertel's article [if I followed the quoting right]: I think it may also be worthwhile pointing out that if we take the appellation `Rabbi' seriously then Jesus had a full grasp of contemporary `scripture' Mat21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures... Mat22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing Mat22:29 the scriptures, nor the power of God. Following from this, he would have been in a wonderful position to fulfil prophesies, and the NT says as much: Mat26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, Mat26:54 that thus it must be? Mat26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the Mat26:56 prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples Mat26:56 forsook him, and fled. If the books comprising the referred-to `scripture' had not been accessible then it probably would be a different matter.",alt.atheism 3180,"This whole discussion is just a religous war. I'd rather have a '93 RX-7 than the Mustang 5.0L for 3 times the price. That's how you explain Porsches selling. Some folks would rather have the Stang... Sean",rec.autos 3181," Dandridge Cole and Isaac Asimov collaborated on a book titled, ""Habitable Planets for Man"" (I think) in 1964. It should be available in most good libraries, or through inter-library loan. It answered the questions you ask (speculatively, of course), along with many more that need to be considered in habitability studies: length of day (for day/night temperature variation, and agricultural concerns), partial pressures of certain unexpected gasses (ever hear of xenon narcosis? neither did I), density of particulates in the atm, and their composition (ever hear of silicosis? not much fun), etc. Climate isn't a global phenomenon and probably needn't concern you, but axial tilt ought to. It plays a large part in determining the severity of seasonal differences, and a lesser but still significant part in determining the speed of prevailing winds.",sci.space 3182," Thanks. Got that from two other sources as well. The full quote is as follows: From Dorothy Denning, CRYPTOGRAPHY AND DATA SECURITY, Addison-Wesley 1982,1983, page 8: ""Cryptosystems must satisfy three general requirements: ""1. The enciphering and deciphering transformations must be efficient for all keys. ""2. The system must be easy to use. ""3. The security of the system should depend only on the secrecy of the keys and not on the secrecy of algorithms E [enciphering] or D [deciphering]."" --Mike ",sci.crypt 3183," Uh, Bob, why is the battery warmer than ground temperature? On the time scales in question, and with the considerably reduced temperature swings several feet underground, there isn't going to be any major temperature difference between the battery and what it's sitting on. Because the temperature of your hand, *unlike that of the battery*, is determined by the balance between internal heat production and external heat loss. You're feeling the greater rate of heat loss from an object (your hand) which is kept much warmer than its surroundings. In the case of an object with no significant internal heat production, this will affect how quickly it comes into equilibrium with its surroundings (if it started out not in equilibrium with them) but won't affect the final temperature. For the same reason, windchill affects whether you will freeze but not whether water will freeze.",sci.electronics 3184,"xIf you put a locking lugnut on your tires, do you need to have your xtires rebalanced?? x xJohn Mas x xE-Mail Address :: MAS@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM Since the wheel/tire is balanced off the car i.e. the lugnuts are not normally involved, how would they do that? I would think that since the lugs are so close to the center of rotation any slight difference in weight between a normal lugnut and a locking one would not have any noticable effect on the balance. I could be wrong, it *is* Friday afternoon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mack Costello Code 65.1 (formerly 1720.1) David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC ___/-\____ Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 Phone (301) 227-2431 (__________>|",rec.autos 3185,"I would like to see a serious discussion on the best way to install windows from a Novell administrator's point of view. I just got off the phone with MS Access support and was told that they (Microsoft) has decided to implement, as a standard for software support, the LOCAL setup (described below) as the ""most advantageous installation"". If this is true and Microsoft deems this to be the most prudent installation then I will comply but I'd like to hear it from administrators first. The LOCAL Windows Installation: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Windows is fully installed on each workstation hard drive (assuming the resources are available). From a network administrator's implementation, he/she would install all windows disks on a network drive using SETUP/A. Then install windows on a per/machine bases by running SETUP off the network to install the complete system on the local drives. In this way, all drivers are available to the SETUP procedure w/o the need to change disks. Advantages: - Reduce Traffic - Running Windows locally reduces network traffic due to the local access of main Windows files. - Network independence - If the network fails (and they all do at one point or another), the local installation would allow users to keep producing and reduce the cost of down-time. - Faster Windows - Theoretically, Windows will run faster from a local hard drive than over a network. This may be a hard point to prove if the network has an optical backbone and/or the network drives are significantly faster access than local ones. - A user traveling from machine to machine does not need to worry about varying setups (monochrome, color, types of mouse, etc...) since the Windows installation is assigned to the Workstation. Disadvantages: - Cost - Installing Windows locally requires a significant amount of disk space. Workstations now must be purchased with a hard disk that can increase the cost of the workstation from 10 to 30 percent. - Administration - Local windows installations are very difficult to administer. New drivers for peripherals are constantly being made available, each of which would have to be individually installed on each workstation. - Security - Users now have access to erase or corrupt their own system files from simple ignorance. This could result in quite a headache for administrators who may have to constantly repair damaged installations. - Backup - We all know the problems backing up local hard disks. The backup sets (if done via a centralized tape system) get very large very quickly. Backup individually (to floppy) may not happen at all. This may be eliminated if it is assumed that local hard disks only contain replaceable applications and *not* user data. The SHARED Windows Installation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Windows is fully installed to a network disk via the SETUP/A procedure described above. Users (or administrators) then install a minimal set of files to individual ""user"" directories. These directories may be on a local hard disk or perhaps a network ""home"" directory. The bulk of the Windows system files are maintained on the network in a single directory (some 400+ files) and are accessed (shared) as-needed by users throughout their Windows session. The user's files consist of a small set of files that the user has updated during his/her Windows session. These include group files, .INI files and other regularly updated files. Advantages: - A single location for all files makes updates to drives easy. As an updated driver becomes available, it only needs to be installed in this single directory for all users to be able to take advantage of it. - Assuming that the users' files are maintained in network (home) directories, the administrator can easily edit any .INI file as-needed to correct problems that may arise. This includes WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI. - Backup of all pertinent files is done easily. Even if the users' files are on a local hard disk, the bulk of the Windows system is backed up with all driver updates. Disadvantages: - Network traffic - since all Windows files are being shared in a network directory, traffic on the network can become a problem an effect the speed of Windows. - If the network crashes, all production comes to a stop since Window's is reliant upon the network for its files. Loss of data usually occurs as well since users working in Windows at the time of the crash will usually not be able to save their work. - Although minimal, disk space is still a consideration. If the users' files are maintained on the network, a large number of users can cause a significant utilization of disk space due to their personal Windows files alone. - Users cannot easily move from machine to machine unless the workstation hardware are similar. This is due to the Windows installation being tied to a particular username (in the case of Network user files). The Discussion ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I would like to know, from other administrators with a large Windows userbase, how they prefer setting up Windows. Personally, I have setup numerous installations using the SHARED setup. All Windows and application files are on the network with little or no utilization of local hard disks. In fact, I sold a network on the fact that the company would no longer need to purchase hard disks for their workstations and thus save that much more money. I would also like to see recommendations for applications. Should apps such as Word and/or Excel be installed locally regardless of how Windows is installed? Again, I keep all files on the network for easy backup and administration but this is ""putting all eggs in one basket""; if the network crashes, work comes to a halt.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3186," ... Regarding the first paragraph, I would say that I didn't write it. I don't believe that unbaptized babies are put in Hell. I don't even believe in Hell. At least, I don't believe in a fiery place where there will be ""gnashing of teeth"".",soc.religion.christian 3187,"I caught the tail end of a piece on NPR (National Public Radio) about Chomsky. Apparently there is a new documentary about him and his concepts on the propagandist news media of the West, or some such. The funny thing is that NPR painted Chomsky and the documentary in such a positive light, or at least ended the report in a positive way. The documentary is just now showing in a few cities in the US, and will open in more cities in June. Sorry, forgot the title.",talk.politics.mideast 3188," My feeling on baptism is this: parents baptize their baby so that the baby has the sanctifying grace of baptism (and thus removal of original sin) on its soul in the event of an unexpected death. That is, the parents speak on behalf of the child which is too young to speak on its own. This should not surprise anyone: don't parents *always* do what they believe is the best for their baby? Why would that apply to the baby's physical needs only but not his/her spiritual needs to have God's grace? The purpose of confirmation is for the baby (now young adult) to decide to re-affirm for himself/herself the promises that his/her parents made at baptism. That is where accepting Jesus into your heart comes in. In baptism, the parents ask Jesus to come into their baby's heart; at confirmation the child repeats that request independently.",soc.religion.christian 3189," An '82 FT500 Ascot was my first bike--I recommend it. If anyone's interested, mine's for sale. It's in LA currently, with a bum starter and around 10k miles. I'd like a couple hundred for it.",rec.motorcycles 3190," Precisely my position. As a newbie, I tried the point-by-point approach to debate with these types. It wasted both my time and my lifespan. Ignoring them is not an option, since they don't go away, and doing so would leave one with large stretches of complete anonymity in this group. What's left? Healthy flaming. I'm sure on occassion I've appeared to be little more than a caustic boob to some of the Bobby types. But why waste breath arguing with someone whose most rational though process involves his excretory system? And I stand by my record of recognizing these people long before most of the rest of the group. So let's see what this Timmons character has in store for us... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea.",alt.atheism 3191,"Hi, I am using xdm on X11R5 with OW3 and Xview3 on Sun3s and SPARCs running SunOS 4.1.1. Prior to using xdm, I used to set PATH and other environment variables (like MANPATH, HELPPATH, ARCH, etc) in my .login file. With xdm, the .login file doesn't get executed and therefore neither the olwm root-window nor my applications know about these variables. I used the ""DisplayManager._0.userPath"" resource in /usr/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-config to succesfully pass the PATH variable. But I am having problems passing anything else!!! I tried execing $HOME/.login in /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession but that didn't help. I also tried using ""DisplayManager.exportList: HELPPATH MANPATH ARCH"" which didn't work either. I would appreciate any help on this matter. Thanks in advance, Shash",comp.windows.x 3192," I am sure some bashers of Pens fans are pretty confused about the lack of any kind of posts about the recent Pens massacre of the Devils. Actually, I am bit puzzled too and a bit relieved. However, I am going to put an end to non-PIttsburghers' relief with a bit of praise for the Pens. Man, they are killing those Devils worse than I thought. Jagr just showed you why he is much better than his regular season stats. He is also a lot fo fun to watch in the playoffs. Bowman should let JAgr have a lot of fun in the next couple of games since the Pens are going to beat the pulp out of Jersey anyway. I was very disappointed not to see the Islanders lose the final regular season game. PENS RULE!!! ",rec.sport.hockey 3193,"Maddi: >> No, no, no! I've already been named by ""Killfile"" Keith. My nickname is Maddi ""Never a Useful Post"" Hausmann, and don't you DARE forget it, ""Half"". You really should quote Ivan Karamazov instead(on a.a), as he was the atheist. -- Maddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com Centigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553",alt.atheism 3194," What makes you say that the guns were illegal?? I understand that the BD's had a valid Class III Federal Firearms Permit, which would allow them to have pretty much anything short of a howitzer legally.",talk.religion.misc 3195," My comment was off the top of my head; I wasn't aware that it had already been thought of. Guess it's true that there's nothing new under the sun (or in this case, the flying billboards.) --",None 3196," NO! I'm running both at home. Ok, to the cumpter is turned off right now but I did boot BSD/386 from an IDE drive, most of the system is on a SCSI drive... I'm using an Adaptec 1542B and a no-name el-cheapo IDE card. Guy",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3197," The first and only thing I've ever tried to auto-trace was a piece of a USCG nautical chart using Adobe Illustrator 3.2. I wanted to get the outline of the coast for Western Long Island Sound. I was simultaneously suprised at how good a job it did and disappointed at how poorly it did. I suspect what I gave it was a very difficult thing; not only is the coastline very irregular, but overlaid on the chart are numerous sets of gridlines (not only lattitude and longitude, but loran grids as well). The most common mistake it make was whenever the coastline was roughly parallel and tangent to a grid line, it would take off following the gridline instead of the coast. I think the best improvement would be some sort of interactive algorithm that would let you step in and say ""no, dummy, you're going the wrong way"". Steve Reisberg, a friend of mine a few years back(*), did his doctoral work analysing electron micrographs of filimentous phage (virii). A good chunk of the work was writing a program to take a digitized micrograph and automatically trace the centerline of the virus particles. This is essentially the same problem that Illustrator tries to solve with its auto-trace tool. In some respects the problem Steve worked on was harder, since he was trying to do quantitative analysis of the virus structure and finding a good centerline was only the first step, but a step on which all future analysis depended. However, in other respects, it was an easier problem since the program could be written with a lot of knowledge about what the virus particles were supposed to look like, and the analysis could be restricted to those particles which happend to be relatively straight, clean, and well imaged; you don't always have that freedom auto-tracing real life images. In any case, it gave me some insight into just how difficult this problem is to solve in the general case. (*) Steve is no longer with us. He and his wife disappeared while on vacation in Hawaii a couple of years after they graduated. Their last known location was hiking in a densely wooded in a mountainous area. While no bodies were ever found, they are presumed to have been the victim of some sort of fall or accident in the woods.",comp.graphics 3198," Hehehe! Dontcha just love these carefully constructed arguements? Clayton, babe, please define the word `molest`. Are you using a legal term or a proper dictionary term? Molest, as far as I can remember, means `to do damage to person(s)`. My mate, Mike, was lured into a woman's parlour when he was 14. Is that molestation? A number of my friends (straight) lost their virginity before that. Were they 'molested'? They told me that they thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I see no damage. Please stop pushing your objective morality on others. If you push, people won't fall over and say 'Ye gads, you're right!', they'll just push back. Have you signed up for that logic course yet? ",talk.politics.misc 3199,"Where can I get documentation about the X-Server-Internals? BTW, I'm also interested in documentation about TIGA. Any hints welcome. Thanks, rainer. ",comp.windows.x 3200,"It is the new command with Dos 6 that allows you to erase your directory and all the files in it, without first erasing the individual files. -- ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3201,,None 3202," I asked him, and Don Cherry denies being Roger Maynard and he denies any knowledge of Usenet. :-)",rec.sport.hockey 3203," Perhaps Iranians are not Arabs even not-so-strictly-speaking ? ",talk.politics.mideast 3204,"I've been getting seemingly random disk accesses on my Centris 610 with a Quantum 240 LPS, but this is NOT the regular recalibration it has been doing since I got it.... This is sometimes short, sometimes long, accesses that sound like there is some read/writing going on. I have SAM 3.5, and Disinfectant 3.0, but neither picks up anything.. Any ideas?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3205,"I am trying to obtain a HI-FI copy of Guns N' Roses pay per view last summer from Paris. If anyone has a copy they would like to sell, or could make me a copy, please e-mail me. Thanks ",misc.forsale 3206,"I use those routines in a widget which only redraws exposed areas. here's a small piece of code that uses those routines static void Redisplay(pw, ev, region) XtpManagerWidget pw; XExposeEvent *ev; Region region; /* pp->exposure_region is an XRegion */ XtpManagerPart *pp = &pw->plotter; pp->exposure_region = XCreateRegion(); /* region is passed via an expose event */ if(region == NULL) { if (ev->send_event) /* synthetic event sent by widget it wants a full redraw*/ { exporect.x = pw->core.x; exporect.y = pw->core.y; exporect.width = pw->core.width; exporect.height = pw->core.height; } else { exporect.x = ev->x; exporect.y = ev->y; exporect.width = ev->width; exporect.height = ev->height; } stuff deleted /* region now contains the exposure region */ XUnionRectWithRegion(&exporect,pp->exposure_region,pp->exposure_region); } else XUnionRegion ( region, pp->exposure_region, pp->exposure_region); stuff deleted /* WE NEED to CLIP on EXPOSE REGION for REDRAWING the GRID */ XSetRegion(XtDisplayOfObject(pw), pp->plotarea_gc,pp->exposure_region); stuff deleted /* check to see if child is exposed */ if (XRectInRegion (pw->plotter.exposure_region, child->core.x , child->core.y , child->core.width , child->core.height )) So, I build up a region of exposures so that when I service my container widget redraw of rectobj children, I only redraw what need to be redrawn. It works for me, hope this helps you. Brian ",comp.windows.x 3207," No, MIS folks have infinite budgets of death, and they also get parts of their budget allocated ""upgrades"", ""maintenance"", and ""new purchases"", and a lot of IBM mainframe purchases are actually ""leases"" and so is the software. Basically, the engineers who have tight budgets, i.e. the coders and designers of a company, bitch and moan when they drop 15,000 on a Sparc 1 only to see a faster machine appear a year later. MIS types upgrade once every 5-10 years, and their costs are amortized and depreciated over a longer period, and the budget office justifies the expense because they actually use the machines for accounting, payroll, etc. Now, if the budget office was dependant on the engineers for some reason like payroll and accounts, you'd sure as hell see every engineer with a new Cray on his desktop every year. :-)",comp.graphics 3208," Human infants do have bown fat deposits while adult humans are believed not to have brown fat. Also while brown fat may play an important role in rousing hibernators, it is definitely not limited to hibernating animals -- it is a common energy source for nonshivering thermogenesis. ",sci.med 3209," 70277.2502@compuserve.com ",None 3210," [ Questions deleted ] Does any one know what the PAS16 SCSI port is? I counted the pins on the board displayed in their ad and it only got 40! What happened to the other 50? Did they junk a whole bunch of grounds or what? Guy",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3211,"All right, listen up.... What are the possibilities of transmission through swimming pool water? Especially if the chlorination isn't up to par?",sci.med 3212," ""Personal gain"": for his own monetary advantage. I don't think anyone would dispute that he both violated his oath of office, and abused his powers. But that's not for personal gain. ",talk.politics.misc 3213," Take a look at WinQVT/net -- the latest version is QVT/net 3.4 It comes in versions that are direct to packet driver, as well as a PC NFS version. It is priced quite low; registration = $40, student registration = $20, and is a nice package -- comes complete with VT220 terminal emulation, FTP, POP3 client, LPR, and NNTP client. You can FTP it from ""biochemistry.bioc.cwru.edu"" /pub/qvtnet/qvtnet34.zip It was also uploaded to ftp.cica.indiana.edu recently. Ashok ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3214,"Haven't we wasted enough bandwidth on this silly discussion already!! [Please no flames -- let sanity prevail]",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3215," About 2 years ago, there was a lot of noise about a Church in the Old City of Jerusalem being taken over by a Jewish group. In fact, the building in question was a dormitory that belonged to a church and was not physically connected to any church. It had been leased to a Palestinean Arab for 99 years and a Jewish group sub-leased it from him. The church that owned the building disapproved and legal action was started to revoke the sub-lease. The media, however, made it look like Jewish vigilantes were stealing Church property in Jerusalem by force. The damage has already been done by the press in the above case. It is not surprising by now, of course, that many ""decent people"" regard the press ""with utmost suspicion"". You appear to be referring to Moshe Dayan. How do you know that the ""evicted Jordanians"" were not provided with something else? In fact, this thread indicates that they were squatters on land that they did not own but received compensation for their loss, anyways! Woe to Jews when they feel that recovering land that has been taken from them by force (with ""ethnic cleansing"" of any remaining Jews) is ""disgusting and shameful"". ",talk.politics.mideast 3216,"Hooray, I hear on TSN that the Jets have won a game, Selanne getting a hat-trick! Of course, here in GOD'S COUNTRY (read Ontario!) I couldn't see that game, nor any other in the VAN-WPG series so far, because our beloved CBC figures no one out here cares about this series (which has looked pretty competitve so far... On Monday and Wednesday nights, CBC could have shown the Toronto- Detroit game, done the news, then picked up Winnipeg-Vancouver. They didn't. Tonight? You guessed it, Toronto-Detroit, the news (not the end of the Jets game), then Calgary-LA. SO, if it's ""Hockey Night in Canada"", why can't this Ontarian see one of the two series with two Canadian teams? Is this too much to ask?",rec.sport.hockey 3217,"Selling: Coleco Base Unit with: 2 Controllers 1 Atari Game Adapter to Play Atari games 12 games (Ms. Pac Man, Smurfs, etc..) Will ship COD Price$: MAKE AN OFFER",misc.forsale 3218,"# Mr. Cramer, I am still waiting for your response to my requests regarding # the information you claim to have. I respectfully request that you either # provide the information or withdraw the various assertions you make below. # # Item number 1: in a previous posting, you stated that you had found # ""overwhelming support for child molestation"" in soc.motss: # # You have (finally) responded to this one. I have read your complete file # of postings to soc.motss and to put it bluntly, it does not support your # assertion. In short, this claim is bogus. Thank you for confirming this. All those postings in defense of adults having sex with children, and you just choose to claim that they don't say anything of the sort. There's no point in discussing this any further, then. You are clearly a liar, without morals of any sort, prepared to justify child molestation. ",talk.politics.misc 3219,"I posted on here about a problem with a Datadesk 101e keyboard that failed to rebuild the desktop with the command-option keys pressed or to shut off inits when pressing the shift key. After absolutely no help from Datadesk I called MacConnection tech support. They tried it out on their Centris 610 and had the same problem. They immediately offered to get a new keyboard, try it on their Centris and ship it to me overnight if it worked. I could send them my keyboard back after I got the one that worked. This is from a guy in Tech support named Dave. It turns out that the keyboard will wrok if you wait for the smiley face before pressing the shift key to disable inits and wait for the inits to start appearing to rebuild the desktop by pressing command-option. I really like this keyboard so I was glad to be able to keep it. On the other hand, Datadesks tech support sucks while MacConnection's is great! -Terry ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3220," On the other hand, I'm hard pressed to think of any other real mistakes Fereirra made. Imagine indeed, but then again we have the benefit of hindsight. Let's say that in the view of the Sharks' upper management, the attempt to trade Kisio was a major factor in the decision to fire Feirerra. I'm inclined to take exactly the opposite view: they should have kept him...he's obviously the luckiest man in hockey! (Wonder what sacrifice he made to the Muse of Fax? (His job, I guess.)) have fun gak ",rec.sport.hockey 3221," Well, I am placing a file at my ftp today that contains several polygonal descriptions of a head, face, skull, vase, etc. The format of the files is a list of vertices, normals, and triangles. There are various resolutions and the name of the data file includes the number of polygons, eg. phred.1.3k.vbl contains 1300 polygons. In order to get the data via ftp do the following: 1) ftp taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil 2) login as anonymous, guest as the password 3) cd pub/dabro 4) binary 5) get cyber.tar.Z Once you get the data onto your workstation: 1) uncompress data.tar.Z 2) tar xvof data.tar If you have any questions, please let me know. george dabro dabro@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil -- george dabrowski Cyberware Labs",comp.graphics 3222," Someone once sold heated motorcycle grips via mail order. The were aftermarket replacement grips that had the heating elements mlded into the grip itself. Wires ran outside of the bars, from the grips to a switch and finaly the battery. Cycle Magazine tested them YEARS ago and liked them. Dunno if they are still made. Might check with the snowmobile racers. ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----",rec.motorcycles 3223," Or perhaps David Koresh didn't listen too well?? Just because mistakes were made does not mean the President *lied*. ",talk.politics.guns 3224," Precisely, why not Cuba?? Why not??? The Hatians are being ruled by thugs and their elected leader has asked support to reestablish the peoples will. If the U.S. or any other democracy wishes to, they are in the perfect right to help them without any whining from thir parties. After all if it turns out to be colonialism and the poeple don't like it, they' find a way to throw them out. Who ever said people who commit genocide have the right to commit genocide?? I want a world where criminals agains humanity have no place to hide, while you want special sovereignties designed to protect them. Nobody has the right to commit crimes against humanity, and if they do they loose all right to self determination. If this is classical colonialism, then so be it.",talk.politics.mideast 3225," Oooo,I hope it's nothing like I had on my Seca turbo. I had locked up the back wheel and forgot about it. When I took off I heard a 'clunk', but I just drove away leaving the lock broken on the ground. Real security in action. ",rec.motorcycles 3226,"Your Price List Price ========== ========== C Memory Management Techniques $22.00 $32.95 Len Dorfman & Marc J. Neuberger (Includes disk) 1993 Borland C++ Handbook $18.00 $29.95 Second Edition (Covers version 3.0) Chris H. Pappas & William H. 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Acerson 1988 Using Ventura Publisher $8.00 $24.95 QUE 1988 (This book covers the first version, but) (it might be good for newer versions too) Using OS/2 $8.00 $19.95 Kris Jamsa 1988 (This book is for version 1.x, obviously) Using Generic CADD Levels 1-3 $10.00 $22.95 Ray C. Freeman III 1989 I will pay shipping. (Only in the USA) ",misc.forsale 3227," Doesn't anybody actually read the licence agreement of WinBench before blindly running it? The licence agreement very clearly says that details about hardware configuration, driver, resolution and other relevant facts *MUST* be included when giving WinMark results. Ziff-Davis wants everybody to do this and that requirement makes sense, really! Plain numbers are useless when resolution, driver and machine are unknown. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3228,"#I find myself unable to put these two statements together in a #sensible way: # #>Abortion is done because the mother can not afford the *pregnancy*. # #[...] # #>If we refused to pay for the more expensive choice of birth, *then* #>your statement would make sense. But that is not the case, so it doesn't. # #Are we paying for the birth or not, Mr. Parker? If so, why can't the #mother afford the pregnancy? If not, what is the meaning of the #latter objection? You can't have it both ways. Birth != pregnancy. If they were the same, the topic of abortion would hardly arise, would it, Mr. Skinner? ",talk.religion.misc 3229," It is not a question of an individuals standing. When a party puts up an Arab for a Cabinet post and that Arab is rejected but the position is given to a Jew from the same party we are not talking about power but racism. Would you care to deny this has happened on several occasions with Labour coalitions? Not their party - them as *individuals*. Even when they belong to nice peaceful Zionist mainstream parties they are not welcome. Arabs are excluded on ficitious security grounds which are just an excuse. It sure looks like racism to me. Arabs are excluded from cabinet, even when they do the things you suggest, because they are Arabs. Unless of course you have a better reason? I am happy to listen to any good reason why a leftist Jew is less of a security risk than a leftist Arab from the same party. Look at the present cabinet. Joseph Askew ",talk.politics.mideast 3230,"Hello. I have (4) SIMMS for sale. They are 1 megabyte each, and are of the 3-chip variety. These are very high quality SIMMS, and are nearly brand new. Best of all: they are ***60*** nanoseconds (the fastest available!) Please make an offer. I prefer to sell all four SIMMS to the same person (to lessen shipping costs), but if you just want one or two, please make an offer anyway. Thanks a lot: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu ",misc.forsale 3231," And guess who's here in your place. Please finger xyzzy@gnu.ai.mit.edu for information, or if you are a mail/news only site, mail xyzzy@gnu.ai.mit.edu with the subject line ""SEND FINGER"". ",comp.graphics 3232,"If you are a user of Autodesk 3D Concepts, and are willing to answer a small number of short questions, then please send me Email.",comp.graphics 3233," So, hey, like, does this work the other way? If I was to like, you know, strap a generator to my FZJRR11000KRX and route its output to the chain, could I increase the horsepower? 32 meters a sec is pretty nice and all, but, I'd still like to be able to blow away a Goldwing without going to nitro... ",rec.motorcycles 3234,"I'm just starting out with motorcycles, I've read up on the subject a bit, talked to many of my friends who own/ride bikes and encourage me to do the same. But when I ask about what kind of bike i should be looking at... i get varied answers. I'm 6'3"", about 230#, large/athletic build... I suppose that would help to determine the size bike i'd want. I want something that's going to be fast and powerful enough to satisfy certain cravings once i'm used to it. I also want something that is not going to be like a bronc my first time out. Any ideas?! Bill",rec.motorcycles 3235," Sure, a person could have great respect for Jesus and yet be an atheist. (Having great respect for Jesus does not necessarily mean that one has to follow the Christian [or Muslim] interpretation of his life.) ",alt.atheism 3236," xli, xloadimage or ImageMagick - export.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.0.12] /contrib",comp.graphics 3237,": To wheelspin in an auto, you keep the gear in N - gas it - then stick the : gear in D... I've never tried this but am sure it works - but does this screw : up the autobox? We're having a bit of a debate about it here... I've known more people to leave their rear ends in pieces doing this, especially if they have reasonable power to transmit and good traction on the road surface. You're better off powerbraking.",rec.autos 3238," Very interested indeed! This is against this kind of ""changes"" that the GNU COPYLEFT is protecting us. Anyway, at SIMULOG, we will abandon xv. We were using it mostly for slide- shows because of its ""-loop"" feature that display does not have (display from the *wonderful* ImageMagick package! :-D), but I think I will implement it myself (even a shell-script should do the job) and forget xv. Cheers, Christophe. -- muller@simulog.fr",comp.windows.x 3239,": Mike Adams suggested discussions on long-term effects of spaceflight : to the human being. I love this topic, as some of you regulars know. : So, having seen Henry's encouraging statement about starting to talk : about it; I shall. : I feel that we as a community of people have unique resources : to deliver to the world a comprehensive book which can elaborate : on the utility of spaceflight to fields which are as divergent : as medical intensive care, agriculture, environmental protection, and : probably more. I do not believe that the general public understands : the impact of spaceflight on the whole of society. In the absence : of such knowledge, we see dwindling support of the world's space effort. Just a few contributions from the space program to ""regular"" society: 1. Calculators 2. Teflon (So your eggs don't stick in the pan) 3. Pacemakers (Kept my grandfather alive from 1976 until 1988) p.s. To all the regular contributors to sci.space.news and sci.space.shuttle, thanks for all your hard work keeping us informed as to the doings down in NASA and other space-type agencies. I don't have much time to read USENET, but I ALWAYS read these two groups.... ",sci.space 3240,"Not to mention how those those liberal presidents, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush. did nothing to support true commercial space activities.",sci.space 3241,": : So in conclusion it can be shown that there is essentially no : : logical argument which clearly differentiates a ""cult"" from a : : ""religion"". I challenge anyone to produce a distinction which : : is clear and can't be easily knocked down. : How about this one: a religion is a cult which has stood the test : of time. Just like history is written by the `winners' and not the `losers.' From what I've seen of religions, a religion is just a cult that was so vile and corrupt it was able to exert it's doctrine using political and military measures. Perhaps if Koresh withstood the onslaught for another couple of months he would have started attracting more converts due to his `strength,' hence becoming a full religion and not just a cult. ",alt.atheism 3242,"I am having troubleloading my Logitech Scanman Driver (latest version) into high memory with the devicehigh command in MSDOS 6. It gives me an 'invalid parameters' message. Is it necessary to change some of the scanner driver parameters when loading high? Any help would be appreciated ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3243," This must vary from state to state, because our old company Kemper wanted to drop me (keeping my wife) or tripple our premium because i had 1 ticket. Only 2 points for 10 mph over speed limit. Well i called Geico, and they insured both my wife and i for less then we were previously paying Kemper. Generally i hate the whole insurance game. I realize that it is necessary but the way that a person can get dicked around doesn't make any sense. One good thing about Geico is that everything can be handled over the phone. . / Larry __/ _______/_ keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov / \ _____ __ _____ \------- === ----------- / ____/ / / /__ __/ \ / ___ / / ___ / / / / ____ | | / \/ /__ / | / /__ __/ /__ / \ / /___ \_______/ /_____/ /______/ ====OO \ / \ / - 1990 2.0 16v - ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! -------------------- The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn't understand anyway!",rec.autos 3244," The number you gave is the Borland BBS, and darned if I can find any stealth drivers there! Diamond's BBS is 1-408-730-1100 - according to the manual I got with my Stealth-24. I have had a bunch of trouble using the RIGHT drivers that came with the card (locking up, de-syncing, etc.) so I hope you do better than I do!",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3245,": : >: > HELP!!! : >: > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. : >: FYI, just last week the PBS show Motor Week gave the results of what they : >: thought were the best cars for '93. In the convertible category, the : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (snip, snip) : Does Porsche have a patent on the ""targa"" name? : I mean, convertible to me means ""top down"", which the del Sol certainly : does NOT do. It has the center that lifts out. This is what i would : term a targa(unless Porsches was gonna sue me for doing that). I know : the rear window rolls down, but i still can hardly consider this car : to be a convertible. : : DREW Here we go... No, of course Porsche doesn't have a patent on the ""targa"" name. If that were the case, what would Fiat do? I suppose that technically my del Sol is not a ""convertible"" in the literal sense, but it certainly classifies as an open- topped car. In addition, the rear section behind the removable top is what makes my car _infinately_ safer than a convertible. (flame-retardant on ...)",rec.autos 3246," If this is the same as adjusting the shims between cam and valve, I have the same question. Do you buy a FULL set of shims before starting the adjustment process, or do you calculate the shims you need and then run off to the dealer in the cage to see if the right shims are in stock? Obviously the latter would be cheaper (what do shims cost?), but are measurements of the shim need reliable enough to buy only the indicated shims? Chris",rec.motorcycles 3247,"I know that there is a relationship between Fibromyalgia and deep sleep. I believe that there are five levels of sleep. I think that R.E.M. sleep is the third deepest level of sleep and that there are two deeper levels of sleep. If I am in error in any of this, please let me know. Which level of sleep is thought to be deficient in people with Fibromyalgia? Are there any known sleep disturbances associated with CFS? What sleep disturbances (if any) are associated with clinical depression? Do antidepressants correct the sleep disturbances in these diseases? Are there any good books or medical journal articles about sleep disturbances and these diseases? Thank you in advance for all replies.",sci.med 3248," Assuming you are refering to standard POTS or ground start lines: If you are looking at loop start lines under idle conditions, the RING conductor is the one with approximately -48 to -52 vDC with respect to ground while the TIP conductor is at or very near ground potential (be sure to reference the telco ground when taking your measurements). If you are dealing with ground start lines under idle conditions, the RING conductor will be the one with approximately -48 to -52 vDC while the TIP conductor would look like it's floating (you may see some potential from line capacitance it will bleed off over time). Remember to use the telco ground as your reference when making measurements. ",sci.electronics 3249," It is true the convex algorithm is faster than a general concave/multi outline algorithm, but not tremendously faster. I spent awhile implementing and optimizing both flavors, and the convex turned out about 10% faster. This is all C (on HP PA-RISC the compiler got the inner loop [shooting the span] as fast as possible, as far as I could tell). For any sort of game the database to render is known ahead of time, and can be made all convex. Definitely the way to go. p.s. sorry but my code CANNOT be made public domain.... jesse",comp.graphics 3250," Has this video been made public? The FBI spokesman also said they first knew of the fire when black smoke started pouring out, but later said that *three* different FBI agents saw B-D members starting the fires. Also the FBI claims to have listening devices (bugs) in the compound. Will they make public the tapes of what the B-D said? Well sealing the initial search warrent, keeping the media miles away, not letting the B-D talk to the public, making contradictory statements, not releasing the vidio & tapes are not steps to ensure public confidence in their actions. ",talk.politics.misc 3251,"I need some help in tracking down a dvi viewer for X. I have xdvi but we have not got the X libraries and includes installed- so i) is there a way around this, as we are trying to avoid installing the stuff (space is at a premium). ii)would someone be prepared to make the binaries available. We have a HP700 and a HP382.",comp.windows.x 3252,"Yes, we Put any book on disk for you. Fast and accurate. We can also put any typewritten or printed articles, thesis, term papers, etc. on disk for you.",misc.forsale 3253," An even better strategy is to leave less of a buffer between you and the car in front, but enough to manuver around it. Keep the bike in 1st gear with the clutch handle squeezed in (how's that for engaged/disengaged?), until there are two cars stopped behind you. When the next BDI cager comes screaching in, simply ride up along side of the car in front of you. You don't need to panic and do it, or you will pop the clutch and stall the engine. Do is smoothly, just rapidly. The cage in front of you will provide MUCH better protection than anything else (particularly empty road). ",rec.motorcycles 3254,"5 Apr 93 MOSCOW (UPI) -- ... ``It's horrible. People are trying to get their wives and children out, men are leaving their defense positions, it's total anarchy,'' said Mekhman Aliyev, a spokesman for the Azerbaijani president. Aliyev said 210 people -- three-quarters of them civilians, the rest government soldiers -- had been killed and 200 wounded in the assault by Armenian fighters. Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 3255,"The following announcement is from the Bosnia Task Force, USA. Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens of London) and Muhammad Ali (former heavyweight champion) will be the grand marshals of the Washington rally on Saturday, May 15, 93 ------------------------------------------- Twenty to Twenty Five thousands are expected to march demanding an end to genocide in BOSNIA Rally will begin 1pm from Lafayette Park in front of White House ---------------------------------------------------------------- In the largest planned rally ever by Muslims in America, the Bosnia Task Force, USA has called upon all Muslims in the USA to hold rallies through out the USA. Muslims in 400 miles radius are, however, requested to come to Washington D.C. for a rally in front of the White House. The rally will start sharp at 1pm on May 15, 93 in front of the White House and will March to Capitol Hill. All are requested to be in Lafayette park by noon. It is going to be a big rally. More than 20,000 persons are expected to participate. New York is targeting 50 buses. People as far as Texas and Arizona are coming. Never in Washington's history have so Many Muslims have marched before. Are you ready for this historical event? Call every one you know to bring them to rally. Our Demands: ------------ 1) Recognize the genocidal nature of the Milosevic regime and its aggression. 2) Lift the arms embargo from the Bosnian government. 3) provide the Bosnian government with arms for self-defence. 4) Use NATO air power to enforce the will and conscience of the World community on Serbia. 5)Begin the War Crime tribunals immediately. IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM! Members of the Bosnia Task Force, USA: ISNA, ICNA, Ministry of Imam W. Deen Mohammed, The National Community, Bosnia Action Committee of Chicago, Majlis Shura New York, American Muslim Council, Michigan Islamic Council, Balkan Muslim Association. Phone: (312) 829-0087 Fax: (312) 829-0089 ------------------------------------------------------------------------",talk.politics.mideast 3256," Somebody in comp.multimedia was also having trouble using a Spigot in his LC III. It turned out he needed the latest version of ScreenPlay (1.1.1), which fixed things.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3257," Um... 1) Your Professor if just plain wrong. Although blue LEDs are one heck of a lot less efficient than red ones. 2) ""Typical visible light LEDs"" don't really exist. LEDs have a fairly narrow region of transmittence. (Since the Fermi energy around either side of the band gap falls off exponentially, blah, blah...) You might want to check the copyright date on that. :-) Blue LEDs most certainly do exist, I've got a bunch at work. Cree Research makes them (probably along with other companies... Cree is big in materials science, though; they advertise in the stuff like Physics Today, etc.). You can buy them from JameCo (I think), DigiKey (definitely), and plenty of other distributors. Actually, these days you _can_ get a ""typical visible light"" LED -- it's called a ""rainbow LED"", and I've forgotten who makes it (they advertise in EDN and many of the other trade rags, though). It combines a reg, green, and blue LED all on one chip (and has four leads). Nifty device, although it's probably fairly expensive.",sci.electronics 3258,"I've had similar problems downloading using WinCIM, I discovered that if I disabled data compression on my modem, it works fine. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3259,"Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Energy. Energy Secretary Hails President's Plan For Alternative Fuel Vehicles To: National Desk, Environment and Energy Reporters Contact: Larry Hart of the U.S. Department of Energy, 202-586-5806 WASHINGTON, April 21 -- Secretary of Energy Hazel R. O'Leary today said President Clinton's Executive Order on Alternative Fuels will make the federal government a ""driving force behind efforts to increase the availability of both alternative fuel vehicles and fuel supplies."" President Clinton signed the order today, which calls for federal purchases of alternative fuel vehicles in numbers over the next three years at least 50 percent higher than those called for in the Energy Policy Act of 1992. President Clinton also announced that Texas Land Commissioner Gary Mauro will head up the Federal Fleet Conversion Task Force to advise O'Leary on implementation of the Executive Order. ""I am delighted that I will be working with Gary Mauro to make this happen,"" O'Leary said. ""As Land Commissioner, Gary Mauro has helped make Texas a national leader in converting the state fleet to alternative fuels, and has been a tireless proponent of natural gas vehicles in speeches across the country."" The task force is to issue a report within 90 days recommending a plan and schedule of implementation. ""The Department of Energy and all of us in government must lead by example if the option of alternative fuels is going to become a practical, affordable choice for fleet owners across the country,"" O'Leary said. ""Increased use of domestically-produced alternative fuels means reducing pollution while creating jobs. We believe that energy efficiency, protecting the environment, and a healthy economy are complimentary goals."" O'Leary said that plans call for the Department of Energy to coordinate the agencies' five-year purchase plans, help with funding for extra purchase or conversion costs, and work with GSA to encourage development of the fuel infrastructure needed to make fleet conversions practical. Under the order, the Department of Energy will also be working with states, local governments and industry to coordinate vehicle purchases and encourage manufacturers and fuel suppliers to make alternative fuel vehicles and alternative fuels more widely available. -30-",rec.autos 3260,"I would like to know the regular/international phone number of a computer supplier called ""Computer Component Source"". Their free phone number is 1-800-356-1227. This number is no use to customers outside the US. I wish to upgrade the power supply on a couple of Mac Plus computers and would like to make contact with ""Computer Component Source"".",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3261," ",None 3262,"I replied to this query via e-mail, but I think there are some issues that are worth discussing in public. I would recommend you to take a look at 1) your dictionary 2) alt.atheism FAQ files to notice that atheism is _not_ a belief system, and what is common to all atheists is not a belief, but a _lack of belief in deities_. I cannot imagine how anyone could do research on atheism without paying careful attention to this issue. IMHO, this is a poor method to do any real survey, although I'm sure the replies might keep you amused for hours. No, I do _not_ know what you mean. If you are surveying our individual philosophies, fine, but that's not strictly atheism. Atheism is not just another, godless version of the theistic explanations for life, the universe and everything. It is not a belief system, and it could hardly be called a philosophical system. Once more: Atheism is characterised by lack of belief in deities. Do not twist the meaning, or assume that we have some kind of philosophy we all agree on. Some comments on your questions: I would also like to hear more about this. Have we been able to 'convert' anyone? This question contains a contradiction in terms. _Beliefs_ cannot be acquired rationally - if they could, they would not be beliefs! You also seem to have rather strange ideas of how people become atheists - those who are alienated from religion do not necessarily become atheists, they just think very little about religion. It seems it requires a considerable time of honest inquiry to find out that religions are actually intellectually dishonest virtual realities. Those who have never had beliefs will certainly find this question quite odd - how can lack of belief be acquired? When did I acquire lack of belief in the Easter Bunny? (I did believe in Santa, though ;-)) This question does not make any sense, since atheism does not deal with these issues - it is not a worldview, or a philosophy, or a belief system. Sigh, why haven't I seen a good, well-thought survey in the Usenet for three years... and what is the point of doing surveys in the net, anyway? Just to abstract some opinions? Petri ",alt.atheism 3263,"I want to buy a LCII ( yes LCII not LCIII). None of the dealer seems to have them anymore. Does anybody know where I can buy this beast?. I wanted 4/80 with standard keyboard package. Please let me know. thanx --Aravind S. Melligeri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- System Administrator | asm@mevax.psu.edu Dept. of Mechanical Engg. | off: 814-865-2062 Pennsylvania State Univ. | res: 814-867-5922 ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3264," And it has worked again. Pena went 3 for 3 last night against Colorado. ",rec.sport.baseball 3265,"Come back ten years from now and look at the careers of Juan Gonzalez vs. Mark McGuire, and then tell us how bogus the Juanderful one's 1992 HR title was. I'd say that by 2003, Juan will be preparing his HOF acceptance speech while the voters will be saying ""Mark McWho?"" ",rec.sport.baseball 3266,"My theory is that Koresh was seriously wounded in the initial gunbattle and died on Day 9 of the siege. On Day 11 of the siege he rose from the dead and periodically appeared to his followers and the FBI over the next 40 days. Living with someone who's risen from the dead isn't easy, as Timmy Baterman's father in *Pet*Sematary* could attest, so after 40 days they did what Baterman did--shot themselves and burned the place to the ground. Consistent with the facts, isn't it? Did anyone actually *see* Koresh between Day 9 and Day 11?",talk.religion.misc 3267,"We're about to have our first baby, and have a few questions that we dont seem to be able to get answered to our satisfaction. Reguarding having a baby boy circumsized, what are the medical pros and cons? All we've heard is 'its up to the parents'. How about the pregnant woman sitting in a tub of water? We've heard stories of infection, etc. How about after the water has broken? ",sci.med 3268," Baltimore Baseblazers? Where the hell did you come up with that? The Orioles are not a base-stealing team except for Anderson. Besides we would never call them anything but the Baltimore Orioles. Why? The ballpark has all these orthologically (spelling error?) correct BALTIMORE ORIOLES all over the place. I bet you thought the bird is just an oriole. It's not. The bird was named after Lord Baltimore when Maryland was founded. They're called Baltimore Orioles. But the post is just a joke so why do I care what a non-O's fan thinks of us? But I still wonder where Baseblazers came from. San Diego Padres, now there's a name that needs to be changed. How is padre being used? As ""Father"" ie priest or ""father"" ie parents?",rec.sport.baseball 3269,"I just bought a little gizmo that is supposed to be installed ""in series with the tip or ring lines"" of the phone wire. Which ones are those? Suppose I am holding a regular phone wire, such that the little plastic tooth (on the little plastic square thing with the naked lead ends that you plug into the phone) is facing down, and away from me. Which of the 4 wires that I see is the ""tip"" and which is the ""ring""? Please reply to mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu.",sci.electronics 3270,"I agree about the durability of the old TH400 trannies from GM. While I never intentionally slamed my '68 Firebird 400 ci Conv. into gear, I would leave the trannie in Low (read 1st), grab hold, hit the pedal, and once the tires grabbed, take off. When I reached about 57-60mph the turbo 400 Auto would shift to S (read 'super' or 2nd) and leave about 10 to 15 foot of double stripped rubber on the ground. Most everyone I knew at the time was quite impressed with 'peeling' out at 60 MPH. The trannie held up just fine. Motor mounts would last about a year until I tied the motor down with large chains. Oh yea,FYI: Pontiac 400 ci bored 0.04 over Large Valve heads Holley 650 Spread bore Crain 'BLAZER' cam (don't remember the specs) PosiTrac, Hooker headers, Dual exhaust Get this (Conv., leather seats, power windows power top, AC, Cruise etc.) Oh yea, I also pulled the 'Cocktail shakers' (weights) from the front and removed the lead pellet from the accelerator pedal. (Damn US regulations) OH, HOW I MISS THAT CAR!!! -- 0-60 under 6.7 sec and about 6 to 14 mpg (well I don't miss the mpg) -- front wheels 4"" off the ground with three quick jabs at the pedal. -- bent pushrods, stripped rocker studs, every 6-12 months ( I really wonder what kind of rev's I was turning - no tach) Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions Anyone seen one of these lately? I'd buy it back in a sec!!!",rec.autos 3271,"Hi folks, I borrowed a VHS tape from a friend and it has a warning in the begining saying that attempts to copy the tape will result in destroying the copy and the original. I found this unbelievable as playing and recording are two different processes. However, I've never seen this tape being sold anywhere so I don't want to take the chance even it's small. Anyone has experience in this kind of self-destructing video tapes? Thanks in advance. ",sci.electronics 3272,,None 3273," I don't know about C-5's, but on C-130's which are regularly used for Medium haul Personnel transport by the Army, only have a funnel and a garden hose in the aft. The female personnel hate long trips in the box cars.",sci.space 3274," ""traction control"" as far as the optional feature that one buys with cars is not the same thing at all as a torque sensing differential. a torque sensing differential is a type of LSD, but not all LSD's are torque sensing. viscous coupled differentials (as opposed to viscous couplings) are rotational sensing, not torque sensing. for that matter, so are ""traction control"" systems that use ABS sensors and pulse braking. then there are the older posi-tracs and whatever which i am not familiar with the workings. ",rec.autos 3275," CHEERS Brandon. That's the best suggestion I have seen that. !!!",talk.politics.misc 3276," From his Topps ""rookie"" year (as coach) card (74-75): ""For the past couple of seasons, Don has been the highly-successful coach of the Rochester Americans of the AHL, but he is getting his first shot at an NHL job with the Bruins. Named Coach of the Year in the AHL the last two years, and he aims to make the Bruins a rough team again, as they were a couple of years back. Although he played 16 seasons of professional hockey, Don never played a regular-season NHL game. He did appear in one playoff game for Boston in 1956-57. Don's brother, Dick, played two seasons in the NHL with Boston and Philadelphia."" ",rec.sport.hockey 3277," Throw away the FAQ. We can all just ask Mr O'Dwyer, since he can define the thing that the rest of us only talk about.",alt.atheism 3278," Why not try to eliminate discrimination from existing laws instead of trying to add discrimination that favors your group.",talk.politics.misc 3279," Actually, no I don't have a tape drive. In the event of a total hard disk failure, I reinstall the apps from originals, and restore the data from the backups I keep of that. With upwards of 100Mb of stuff on my hard disk, there is no way I'm going to try and back it all up without a tape drive. :) Would be nice to have one though! Maybe, maybe not. Today it doesn't happen as often (I would hope), but then if a BIOS is buggy and the user gets an upgrade, the BIOS information is going to change, at least the date anyway. Tagging the BIOS manufacturer is still going to falsely tag those users who upgrade the motherboard. This type of upgrade doesn't require a hard disk backup/restore. As long as it wasn't done too terribly often. Otherwise I think it would get annoying and the user would go looking for other software. Of course not. If something gets corrupted and my app needs to be reinstalled, the *worst* thing I want that software telling me is ""this software has already been registered to and it is against the law to install it on other machines."" Or something similar; Access for Windows does this and it only requires a click on ""OK"" to go away. Pretty non-intrusive, but it gets the point across. This is a great idea. I like the key system that some shareware products use. The only problem is that it will be difficult for big software companies to implement this without it getting very cost-ineffective for them and more of a burden than a benefit to the users. -- Steve Madsen sjmadsen@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu",sci.electronics 3280," The paucity of this line of argument is that it is provably false. Texas state officials COULD and DID investigate child abuse charges. They COULD and DID apprehend Koresh peaceably. The COULD and DID impound his weapons for the duration. And Koresh was NOT CONVICTED. Note that child abuse and similar accusations are STATE matters, not federal. The state COULD and DID handle them properly and peaceably, and furthermore violating no one's constitutional rights in the process. So maybe the best way for BATF/FBI to save people is to mind their own fucking business. -- ",talk.politics.guns 3281,": Well, here goes. After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce myself. Yes, I'm : the enemy. The enemy that also happens to ride an ""arrest me red"" 90 VFR. I don't generally consider police officers ""the enemy"". I hope you don't think bikers in general have that attitude. Stereotypes suck either way. : I'll entertain questions but my answers will reflect Georgia law and may not : apply in your state. : : P.S. Anyone got a Nomex suit for sale? You shouldn't get flamed for being a cop. I can't promise you won't because there are jerks on this newsgroup same as any other, but if you've been lurking for a while you already know that. You might get lots of flames if you try to convince people that you know more than them just because you have a badge. And of course, you will get a moderate amount of flamage just for expressing an opinion, no matter what the opinion is *somebody* will flame you for it. So, have you ordered any official DoD paraphenalia yet? Wristwatch, bandana, patches? Tell your boss your going undercover with a real badass biker gang. :-)",rec.motorcycles 3282," Exactly. You took the words right out of my mouth, Ron :-) -- ",None 3283," Granted. Pomeroy, Bell, Weinberg, 1967. ""National Institute of Mental Health Paper 12353, ''Patterns of Adjusment in Deviant Populations.''"" Cited as part of the National Institute of Mental Health Task Force on Homosexuality. Pomery concluded, ""The Kinsey statistic of 37% is probably higher than is realistic. According to these estimates, 33% is a more realistic figure."" (I went out and bought LOTS of Bell & Weinberg this weekend... can you tell?) Also, The Janus Report on Sexual Behavior (Samuel S. Janus, Ph.D. and Cynthia L. Janus, M.D., John Wiley & Sons (pub), 1992) has the following: Table 3.14 Have you ever had a homosexual experience? Men. Women. N= 1,335 1,384 Yes 22% 17% No 78% 83% Table 3.15 How often have you had homosexual contact? Men Women N= 294 235 a. Once 5% 6% b. Occasionally 56% 67% c. Frequently 13% 6% d. Ongoing 26% 21% Active (c. + d.) 39% 37% 39% of 22% is 9%. This number is consistent with Kinsey, Pomery, Gebard (1953), Bell & Weinberg (1967, 1974), and Rice (1987) in the finding that 9% of the male population is actively homosexual, with an further breakdown (Bell & Wienberg, 1978) of 4% exclusively so and 5% self-identifying themselves as ""bisexuals."" (pp 69, 70) As for debunking Kinsey, the following article is an important lesson for everyone to read: Was Kinsey a Fake and a Pervert? by Philip Nobile Far out on the grassy knoll of sexology, there is a cult of prochastity researchers who claim that the late Alfred Kinsey was a secret sex criminal, a Hoosier Dr. Mengele, who bent his numbers toward the bisexual and the bizarre in a grand conspiracy to queer the nation and usher in an era of free sex with kids. But what really riles these critics is Kinsey's towerin~ cultural influence. His bestselling surveys-- Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953)-- tore the sheets off the country's erogenous zones and undermined midcentury morals. His charts and graphs, based on detailed histories of 12,000 men and women, demonstrated that practices generally considered rare and/or 'abnormal'-- masturbation, extramarital relations, homosexuality, and even barnyard bestiality, were as American as strawberry shortcake. Yet for a hard core of these heterosexual supremacists, aided and abetted by Pat Buchanan and the religious right, the zoology professor from Indiana University remains the evil genius behind the sex revolution and a target for character assassination. Judith Reisman, the prosecution's expert witness at the Mapplethorpe trial in Cincinnati, is the leader of the anti- Kinsey revisionists as well as his Inspector Javert. In 1983, during a radio interview with Pat Buchanan in Washington, Reisman accused Kinsey of having been inolved in ""the vicious genital torture of hundreds of children."" She speculated that he kidnapped and drugged ghetto boys in order to carry out clandestine orgasm tests. Now, seven years later, Reisman has revived her charges in a different book, titled Kinsey, Sex and Fraud, just released by the small and religiously oriented Huntington House in Lafayette, Louisiana. Her coauthor is Ed Eichel, a Manhattan psychotherapist who has invented a new style of intromission (""the coital alignment technique"") that supposedly triggers simultaneous orgasm with considerable regularity and thereby increases compatibilty between the sexes. In the book Eichel contends that ""Kinsey deliberately cooked the gay stats because, being an oddball himself, he wanted to advance the 'denormalization' of heterosexuality."" If the authors are right, then the world- famous Kinsey Reports are, as the introduction boldly asserts, ""the most egregious example of scientific deception in this century."" And if they are wrong, Kinsey, Sex and Fraud is a shameful smear. Despite the less- than- stellar credentials of Kinsey's detractors, legends are not what they used to be. Martin Luther King may have committed plagiarism. Bruno Bettelheim slapped young mental patients around. Father Bruce Ritter, the founder of Covenant House, preyed on runaway boys. Closer to Kinsey, Masters and Johnson have been disgraced for faking it in one way or another. So it should not surprise anybody that Kinsey, who filmed strange people having sex in his attic, may have had skeletons in the closet. The problem is that Reisman does not seem to have the intellectual prowess to pull off the job. As a thinker, the woman is no Madame Curie. The 55-year-old former songwriter for Captain Kangaroo has little professional standing, no current university position, and no peer-review publications, though her creative 1983 resume was padded with phantom accomplishments. For instance, it listed a book as her own-- Take Back the Night: Women on Pornography-- that was actually written and edited by others. Then there is her Ph.D. in Speech Communication from Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University. Although Reisman has no bachelor's degree, Case granted her a master's in 1976 and a doctorate in 1979. Her dissertation was on the commentaries of a local octagenarian TV commentator. But on the resume, Reisman gave this piece of scholarship a fancy Hautes Etudes moniker-- to wit: ""The Application of Aristotelian and Systems Analytic Theory to Mass Media Effects."" When Reisman burst into prominence on Buchanan's program, it was love at first sight for Al Regnery, the outwardly anti- porn head of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention in Ed Meese's Justice Department. Regnery was a young law-and-order conservative and amateur social philosopher who wanted to help change the sexual climate of the United States. After Reisman's sensational radio session, the sexual equivalent of Joe McCarthy's Wheeling speech, Regnery summoned her to meetings to discuss mutual interests. First he tried to shovel her $800,000 for a quasi-Frankenstein study that was going to measure the brain chemicals of men and boys who looked at arousing photographs. Guffaws on Capitol Hill killed the original proposal, but $734,000 in govemment money went to Reisman anyway for plan B- a probe of child images in the cartoons Playboy, Penthouse, and Hust ler. (Incredibly, this grant surpassed the entire budget of the attorney general's pornography commission.) When the overpriced and oversold project was completed in 1986, it was immediately shelved by an embarrassed Justice Department. That spring, Regnery resigned from his post only days before the New Republic carried this admission that he had kept porno magazines around the house. Notwithstanding the six-figure humiliation, Reisman went on to scratch out a niche on the ioony right. As the darling of the sex cranks, she deplores subversive phenomena like shaved genitalia in men's magazines and blames AIDS on gays. Kinsey, Sex and Fraud is Reisman's latest grasp for respectability. Pat Buchanan, of course, is putting his Krugerrands on Reisman's ultimate vindication. ""This book is social dynamite,"" he says in a blurb an the front cover. He especially liked the antigay parts. Smacking his lips in his syndicated column, he declared, ""It may just blow the sewer cap off Kinsey's monumental reputation, reestablish homosexuality as a 1-in-50 aberration, expose the Gay Rights movement as a paper tiger, and even put at risk the enormous sex industry built upon Dr. Kinsey's 'research.'"" The blockbuster charge at the heart of the cluttered and repetilive j'Accuse is that Kinsey was a sex-mad pedophile who molested little boys in Nazi-type experiments and recorded their orgasms in his male volume/ A similar charge was first recited at the Fifth World Conference on Sexology in Jerusalem in 1981 to no effect before being recycled by Reisman for Buchanan in Washington in 1983. Here is how Reisman and Eichel repackaged the Mengele business in Kinsey, Sex and Fraud: Mengele-like 'scientific' experiments on infants and children were the basis for Kinsey's conclusions... on childhood sexuality. Somewhere and sometime in the course of the project, Kinsey appears to have directed experimental sex research on several hundred children aged from two months to almost 15 years. This, of course, would implicate Kinsey and his team in promoting, and perhaps participating in, the criminal activity. In the opinion of this book's authors, that is exactly how part of Kinsey's child sexuality research took place. Donning his psychohistorian's cap and citing an FBI manual on child molesters as a guide, Eichel casually diagnoses Kinsey as a homosexual pedophile with the perfect motive for doing exactly as [Kinsey] placed himself in professional and nonprofessional positions where he had access to young boys, such as Y.M.C.A. camp counselor, boys' club leader, and Boy Scout leader-- activities he kept up 'during his college and graduate yeaers, and even after his marriage."" As crude as his analysis seems, Eichel was more than happy to elaborate even further in a recent phone interview. ""If you've ever been around boy- lovers, pedophiles, they are absolutely compulsive,"" he averred. ""Everything in his life is directed at getting children. I didn't mention this in our book but the caption under Kinsey's high school picture was a quote from Hamlet: 'Man delights me not, no, [sic] nor woman neither.' What do you think they were picking up on?"" Before weighing what Reisman and Eichel pass off as proof of Kinsey's sex crimes, something must be said about Kinsey's scientific modus operandi. He was a fiendish collector. As a young zoologist with a D.Sc. from Harvard, he collected 4 million gall wasps and 1.5 million related insects. When he switched to sex exploration after agreeing to teach a marriage Course at Indiana University in 1938, he was no less curious or acquisitive. Nothing that mammals did in the realm of reproduction was foreign to him. He compiled masses of erotic materials including toilet wall inscriptions from male and female johns that highlighted differences in sexual psychology and flms of mating in 14 species of animals that showed an amazing similarity in oral eroticism. Naturally, the sexual response of children, the genesis of eros, fascinated him. It was impossible to understand the sexual behaviors of adults without examining their origins. And so with the fervor of his bughunting days, Kinsey collected information about kids, though even his worst enemies-- until Reisman and Eichel-- refrained from linking him personally to his data on preadolescent sex. Kinsey said plainly in the male volume that he got information on the sex life of young boys from people who had sex with them: ""Some of these adults are technically trained persons who have kept diaries or other records which have been put at our disposal."" Although he gathered much boyhood data from the memories of his subjects and the observations of parents and nursery school teachers, he treated the documentary materia! of the pedophiles as pure gold. There was nothing like it in the literature. Kinsey's main source, a 63-year-old govemment worker, was also the most unforgettable character he had ever met. This man, whose history took 17 hours to log, had sex with over 600 boys and 200 girls as well as 17 of 33 family members including his father and grandmother. A sexual hobbyist and passionate record-keeper, he gave Kinsey detailed accounts of orgasms that he observed in preadolescent boys. Relying on the man's meticulous research, which involved following some boys for as long as 16 years, Kinsey was able to identify for the first time six distinct types of male orgasm-- some of which involved violent contortions at the peak of release-- as well as the speed and the capacity of climax. What Freud had only imagined about childhood sexuality, Kinsey had reported as fact. Children were indeed erotic beings from the cradle. ""These data on the sexual activities of younger male provide an important substantiation of the Freudian view of sexuality as a component that is present in the human animal from earliest infancy,"" he concluded without raising eyebrows in 1948. Then along came Judith Reisman. Ignorng the legitimacy of Kinsey's inquiry, she beheld the ghost of Mengele in Bloomington. She was appalled by the thought of infant ecstasy and read torture in the portrayals of prepubertal orgasm rendered by the government worker. And she dared to say that Kinsey was a sex criminal. Well, was he or wasn't he? Let's go to the text. There is no evidence in Kinsey, Sex and Fraud-- no witnesses, no paper, noteven a trace of hearsay-- that implicates Kinsey in either planning or partaking in child sex experiments. After 12 years on the trail, Reisman has uncovered just two sources to back up her original charge- - amazingly enough, Kinsey himself and Wardell Pomeroy, Kinsey's coauthor on both reports, to whom Reisman has never spoken. It turns out that her whole case rests on a few passages in the male volume iand in Pomeroy's 1972 biography titled Dr. Kinsey and the Institute for Sex Research. After frisking every ""the"" and ""and"" in both books, Reisman came up with what she believes are ""smoking"" sentences. To establish Kinsey's alleged role in the planning, she says that ""there is a hint"" in the fifth chapter of the male volume that Kinsey ""directed"" the orgasm studies on kids. She cites his tell-tale quote from a critic of armchair psychoanalysis demanding that ""writers...test their theories...by empirical study and statistical procedures."" Then she combines this quote with Kinsey's statement that some of the observations of his pedophile sources ""were continued over periods of months or years until the individuals were old enough to make it certain that true orgasm was involved."" Putting two and two together-- Kinsey's empiricism and lengthy experimentation-- she arrives at her hint. But realizing this dog would not hunt, she devoted but a single paragraph to Kinsey's supposed planning before shifting to the issue of his personal involvement. As for the alleged participation, after poring over Pomeroy's biography, Reisman found several hidden clues suggesting Kinsey's likely hands-on approach to kiddie sex. Here the chain of reasoning is more complex. She points out that Kinsey was interested in clitoral measurements, collecting sperm and filming sex in his attic. Since Kinsey did indeed mislead Indiana University about the purpose of his cinematography-- he said that he was filming ""animal sex""-- Reisman asserts that a ""similar misrepresentation may yet apply to Kinsey's child sex experiments."" Catch the ""may""! Reisman was also struck by Kinsey's doubting Thomas attitude toward the never before recorded climax of female rabbits: ""Kinsey, according to Pomeroy, was the type of person who needed to see things for himself. Pomeroy gave the example of orgasm in the female rabbit. Because he had not personally witnessed this event, Kinsey had difficulty in accepting its reality, even on the strength of testimony from a distinguished scientist. How then did Kinsey testify to the actuality of orgasm in a 5-month-old infant from the mere 'history' of a sex offender?"" (But, of course, he did not: he depended on their records.) From this fantastic alchemy of conjecture mixed with clitorides, sperm, attic cumshots, and climax-in-cottontail has Reisman defamed the legendary Kinsey. Paul Gebhard succeeded Kinsey as the director of the Kinsey Institute and now lives in retirement outside Bloomington. Reached by telephone, Gebhard defended the pedophile connection and denied Reisman's nasty imputations. ""I don't understand the resistance of people like Reisman to studying the sexuality of children,"" Gebhard said more in exasperation than anger. ""That is where sex begins. We were happy to take data wherever we found it. Even though pedophiles commit criminal acts, they are usually not violent folks. They wouldn't be very successful if they were. One of our best sources was a headmaster of a boys' school who maintained a kind of alumni club and sometimes went to the weddings of his former students. As for directing experiments, that's absurd. We never told any of our subjects what to do. lt was against our principles. Almost all of the pedophile material was retrospective anyway. Nor did we ever conduct sex experiments with children ourselves. That would have been highly inappropriate."" I asked Gebhard if Kinsey had ever seen a child in a sexual situation. ""I think a mother once brought in a little girl who humped her teddy bear and Kinsey watched it."" As for Kinsey's sex life, it is still shrouded in confidentiality. He was married to the same woman for 35 years and fathered four children. Apparently, there are no huge sexual revelations, although rumors of homosexuality have persisted without confirmation through the years. Gebhard took his boss's history back in the '40s, but he refuses to discuss what he knows. ""We never divulge anything about anybody's history, whether dead or alive,"" he says. Reisman said no to an interview for this article on the grounds that I had once worked for Penthouse-- not to mention the fact that we have been debating each other in various forums for the past five years. In keeping with our contentious history, she took a swipe at me in her book for continuing ""the Kinsey practice of euphemizing incest."" My offense was using the biblical variant ""lying with a near relative"" in a 1977 article on the subject of incest. As a synonym for intercourse, ""lying with"" appears eight times in Genesis. Ed Eichel is a different story. Though seemingly obsessed by Kinsey like his coauthor, he was friendly in long conversations. He told me that he began to smell a big baised agenda in sexology when he was a student in New York University's Human Sexuality program in the early '80s. ""It was literally a gay studies program for heterosexuals,"" he says. Around 1985, Eichel came upon Reisman's critique of Kinsey and the conspiracy theory started to sink in: the sex establishment was ruled by a Kinseyan bisexual bund advocating the overthrow of the heterosexual norm. No wonder he was having such a rough time promoting the joy of simultaneous orgasm-- anything that enhanced sexual compatibility between men and women inevitably raised objections. Eventually, Eichel exchanged philosophical fluids with Reisman, and from this union Kinsey, Sex and Fraud was born. Eichel's main contribution to the book is discovery and analysis of a Kinsey conspiracy that supposedly seeks ""the establishment of bisexuality as the balanced sexual orientation for normal, uninhibited people"" which, by destroying the traditional family structure and normal sexual behavior, ""would open the way for the second and more difficult step-- the ultimate goal of cross-generational sex (sex with children)."" When I pressed him for specific references to back up his outrageous contentions, he said weakly, ""You don't think Kinsey is going to come right out and say that everybody is basically bisexual and should have sex with kids, but this is implicit in the Kinsey reports."" Meanwhile, Eichel is demanding a congressional investigation of Kinsey and his data. Perfect. That's just what the country needs-- a House Un-American Sexual Activities Committee, looking under beds and asking people if they are now or have everbeen a reader, a sympathizer or-- God forbid-- a subject of Dr. Alfred Kinsey. Elf !!! -- elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)",talk.politics.misc 3284,"Hello!!! The title just about says it all. I need a list of the bugs for Motif 1.2.",comp.windows.x 3285," >have no idea what's in Apple's patented ROMs. Many have modems connected. >How do you know all your business secrets aren't being stolen? Answer: >1. Because you trust Apple; >2. Because if any such attempt, however sophicsticated, came out, it would destroy Apple's credibility forever. ",sci.crypt 3286,"[discussing the use of IRQ 7] To put it a little differently: - IRQ 7 is the de facto standard interrupt assigned to be used by the printer adapter to announce its completion of some activity. - DOS doesn't monitor IRQ 7; it uses other means to determine when it's time to send out another byte to the printer. - Most (all?) (hardware) printer adapters have the ability to disable the use of IRQ 7, usually by merely breaking the connection between the ISA pin and the associated driver. Other adapters control the IRQ line by a tri-state driver, and by programming just leave it in the high-impedence mode. - Unfortunately, there are a lot of adapter cards which use bistate drivers (i.e., either assert high or assert low) for the IRQ lines rather than tristate drivers (assert high, assert low, or don't assert anything). The presence of such a card on an IRQ line precludes the use of that IRQ by any other adapter unless it is physically disconnected by a jumper. (Incidentally, note that there's no requirement that a card hold the IRQ line low when no interrupt is desired. If that were true you would have to somehow tie down all unconnected IRQ lines, and that certainly isn't a requirement.) - Non-DOS operating systems (OS/2, NT (?), various Unices or whatever the proper plural of Unix might be) require the use of IRQ 7 for performance reasons. And the SB16, alas, is one of the cards which uses bistate drivers.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3287,"A little correction on my previous post about an hour ago. Please replace the term 'EEPROM' with the term 'EPROM' wherever it appears. (Don't not why I added that extra 'E' every time.) ",sci.electronics 3288,"Does anyone know what the standard port addresses are for COM ports 5 through 8? (If there is a standard of any sort!) Please e-mail, as I don't read this group very often.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3289," A harmonic of the Earth's gravitational field? What IS a harmonic of the Earth's gravitational field? 14:1 resonance with WHAT? It's not like there's any wavelength or frequency to the Earth's gravitational field. Now, there' might be some interesting interactions with the Moon's tidal effect--is that what you're talking about? What are the physics of the situation? The only way I can see gravitational effects being useful in adding energy to an object orbiting Earth is some sort of interaction with the moon.",sci.space 3290," The injury is to his fielding hand, which is good. Unfortunately, he may have some ligament damage and may require surgery, which would lay him up for a while. Apparently just a strain of some sort. He hasn't been put on the DL, so it's probably just day-to-day.",rec.sport.baseball 3291,"Hello , I need a microsoft mouse driver, but newer as 8.6 for going in dos window under ms windows, but it is must be freeware. I have version 7.00 . Tx Mike",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3292," Actually, David, I don't think it's any more intellectually honest to say there are no backdoors than to say there are backdoors, unless you've had a chance to examine the algorithm and the silicon closely. For all we know, skipjack could be easily broken, or impossible to break. And clearly, if skipjack is not secure, then the clipper chip is not worth much.",sci.crypt 3293," Shooting those .44 cal. blanks, I suspect. Them movie guys is dangerous. Practice with them, I hope. -- ",talk.politics.guns 3294,"-*---- No. It follows from the fact that most Christians' choice of interpretation stems from a mix of beliefs that are influenced by the secular ethics of their culture and that are not fully determined by scripture. Whether or not there is some ""right"" interpretation matters not; few Christians claim the ability to read the mind of their god. Dave Davis should note that it was Michael who first stated the importance of secular and cultural influence in this thread. I think Michael is right in this, but regardless, it should be noted that this has *not* been a point of contention between Michael and myself. I have argued -- beyond Michael's claims -- that the Christian scriptures are open to so many interpretations -- including a wide divergence within the Christian tradition -- that even their most important themes are vague. Again, it does not matter that there is some ""right"" interpretation *unless* there is a way to determine what that ""right"" interpretation is. It is the lack of an objective measure, not the presumed lack of an answer, that puts the force behind the line I argue. There are enough Christian glasses, varying over a sufficiently broad range of color, that I can find a few that support my example. In my opinion, what makes Michael radical is that he fully acknowledges that Christian scripture and tradition fail to determine the doctrines that so many branches within Christianity hold dear. He is willing to live and practice his religion within this indeterminacy, and he is willing to acknowledge that much of his understanding of things Christian is influenced by ideas that are not purely Christian. Those Christians I have called conservative must also interpret, but they do not recognize -- or at least, are unwilling to admit -- the extent and importance of this. I recognize that Michael is part of the tradition. But what does it tell one about a tradition covering Origen, Aquinas, Jerry Fallwell, and Jesse Jackson that it also includes Michael Siemon? Not very much! I think the conclusion does follow. The purely Christian principles that Michael has are the ones he shares with others in the Christian tradition or that can be derived from Christian scripture. These, necessarily vague, are not enough to drive his political stances. That one should love one's neighbor is a purely Christian principle. That this means showing tolerance for homosexuality is *not*. As to these political stances, they are often at odds with what is commonly held in most of current Christendom, and so I suspect they could be better pressed outside it. (On the other hand, I can well understand the counterpoint, that these political stances become most influential when presented to those who need them most.) -*---- Having barely survived the effort to finish in computer science, I doubt I will attempt a more difficult field any time soon!",talk.religion.misc 3295,"I am thinking of going on a motorcycle tour in New Zealand in the November-January timeframe. There are a few tour companies doing this, notably Beach Tours. Can anyone who has done this let me know of their experiences, both good and bad? Thanks.",rec.motorcycles 3296,"Ron Miller is a space artist with a long and distinguished career. I've admired both his paintings (remember the USPS Solar System Exploration Stamps last year?) and his writings on the history of spaceflight. For several years he's been working on a *big* project which is almost ready to hit the streets. A brochure from his publisher has landed in my mailbox, and I thought it was cool enough to type in part of it (it's rather long). Especially given the Net's strong interest in vaporware spacecraft... ================================== The Dream Machines: An Illustrated History of the Spaceship in Art, Science, and Literature By Ron Miller with Foreword by Arthur C. Clarke Krieger Publishing Company Melbourne, Florida, USA Orig. Ed. 1993 Pre-publication $84.50 ISBN 0-89464-039-9 This text is a history of the spaceship as both a cultural and a technological phenomenon. The idea of a vehicle for traversing the space betwen worlds did not spring full-blown into existence in the tlatter half of theis century. The need preceded the ability ot make such a device by several hundred years. As soon as it was realized that there were other worlds than this one, human beings wanted to reach them. Tracing the history of the many imaginative, and often prescient, attempts to solve this problem also reflects the history of technology, science, astronomy, and engineering. Once space travel became feasible, there were many more spacecraft concepts developed than ever got off the drawing board-- or off the ground, for that matter. These also are described in theis book, for the same reason as the pre-space-age and pre-flight ideas are: they are all accurate reflections of their particular era's dreams, abilities, and knowledge. Virtually every spaceship concept invented since 1500, as well as selected events important in developing the idea of extraterrestrial travel, is listed chronologically. The chronological entries allow comparisons between actual astronautical events and speculative ventures. They also allow comparisons between simultaneous events taking place in different countries. They reveal connections, influences, and evolutions hitherto unsuspected. Every entry is accompanied by at least one illustration. Nearly every spacecraft concept is illustrated with a schematic drawing. This allows accurate comparisons to be made between designss, to visualize differences, similarities, and influences. This text will be of interest to students of astronautical history, and also to model builders who would be interested in the schematic diagrams. Science fiction fans as well as aviation history buffs and historians of science will also find this book to be fascinating. The unique collection of illustrations makes it a visually attractive and very interesting history of the spaceship. SPECIAL FEATURES Includes scale drawings of several hundred spacecraft, both real and fictional Contains scores of illustrations: artwork, drawings, and photos contemporary with the subject. This includes extremely rare illustrations from scarce books and novels, exclusive photos and drawings fromSoviet spacecraft; rare stills from both famous and obscure science fiction films, and unpublished photographs from NASA archives An index, bibliography, and appendices are included. CONTENTS Part I The Archaeology of the Spaceship (360 B.C. to 1783 A.D.) Part II The invention of the Spaceship (1784-1899) Part III The Experimenters (1900-1938) Part IV The World War (1939-1945) Part V The Golden Age of the Spaceship (1946-1960) Part VI The Dawn of the Space Age (1961 to the present) ABOUT RON MILLER [The brochure has a page of stuff here; I'll try to hit the high spots.] Former art director for Albert Einstein Planetarium at Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum Member of International Association for Astronomical Arts, member of International Astronautical Association, Fellow of the British Interplanetary Society, consulting editor for *Air & Space Smithsonian* magazine Author, co-author, editor, or sole illustrator on many books since 1979, including *Space Art*, *Cycles of Fire*, *The Grand Tour*, and many others, as well as many articles and papers Book jackets and interior art for over a dozen publishers Contributor to IBM traveling exhibition and book *Blueprint for Space* Production illustrator for movies *Dune* and *Total Recall* Designer of ten-stamp set of commemorative space postage stamps for U.S. Postal Service in 1991 (Solar System Exploration) ORDERING INFORMATION Pre-publication price $84.50 before 1 May 1993 Afterwards, price will be $112.50 Krieger Publishing Company PO Box 9542 Melbourne, FL 32902-9542 USA Direct order line (407)727-7270 Fax (407)951-3671 Add $5.00 for shipping by UPS within USA for first book, $1.50 for each additional book. For foreign orders, add $6.00 for first book, $2.00 for each additional. Additional charges for airmail shipments.",sci.space 3297," It isn't. And I wasn't aware that this O'Hair chick was a reader of a.a., so that doesn't support your assertion that the argument is ""the whole basis of a great many HERE rejecting..."".",alt.atheism 3298,"How about Matt Nokes 2 run single against Ron Darling. Was that a hit or what? While watching the game yesterday they flashed up something regarding The Boss' talking about Mark Connor as bullpen coach. He said something like it's Mark Connor's fault that the bullpen is so horrible!! Here we go again!! George sticking his non-baseball nose in the baseball business. Shut up George, just spend the money, get the players and leave Buck and the coaches and players alone. ",rec.sport.baseball 3299," Heheheheh.. Sorry, Roger, I wronged you.. You're not boring ALL the time.. This one is a classic. 'cordially, as always' HEHEHEHEHHE! Are you a jerk? Do people hate you? Are you no fun at parties? Well! Come to the ROGER MAYNARD SCHOOL OF CORDIALITY! We can teach you to be 'cordial' with the best of them! Use such time honored 'cordiality' techniques as: 1) Calling people assholes! 2) Comparing them to viruses! For advanced students: 3) Comparing them to DIRTY viruses. What is a DIRTY virus, and how can you tell it from a clean one? We know, and here at the ROGER MAYNARD SCHOOL OF CORDIALITY, we can teach you to know, too! HEHEHEH.. Thanks, Roger.. This made my evening :-)",rec.sport.baseball 3300," (Deletion) Well, that is certainly different, but it looks as if there is a translation found for everything. By the way, I am most surprised to hear that night and day move in an orbit.",alt.atheism 3301,"Okay, here is the result of my efforts. I'm just getting started with this type of activity, so please set your flame-thowers on low. Comments, corrections, suggestions, welcomed. **************************************************************************** Editor, I would like to ask you and your readers a few questions that are related to the ""right to keep and bear arms"", and to a greater degree, the many other ""rights"" that we take for granted on a daily basis. 1. You're sleeping at night, when you hear someone in your house. You call the police. How will you defend yourself, should the need arise, while you are waiting for the police to arive? 2. You are driving your family home when your car breaks down. A ""good samaritan"" stops to ""help"", when you find you and your family at gun-point or knife-point. How will you defend yourself? And your Family? 3. You are a woman walking alone to your car or home. A man appears suddenly with the intent to rape you. How will you defend yourself? Are you strong enough to fight off your attacker? Are you willing to let this man rape you in order to survive the attack? If the House and Senate have their way, we will soon not have the right to keep and bear arms, as provided by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. A gun may not be the answer to each and every dangerous situation, but are you going to let the politicians decide what sort of force or weapon you may use to defend yourself and your family? Many times a situation may be diffused by just brandishing your handgun. If certain members of the House and Senate have their way, .25, .32, and 9mm ammunition will be banned for sale to anyone other than the military and law enforcement departments. Very soon, you may not be able to purchase ammunition for use in your handgun. There is already a 15 day waiting period in California. Do you really feel that any law abiding citizen should be required to wait this amount of time for the purchase of a handgun when his life or family members have been threatened? Our local police do an excellent job, but they can not be there all the time, or in a moments notice. You should have the right to protect yourself while waiting for help to arrive. There is currently legislation circulating in Washington that would prohibit the sale of certain types of ammuntion, handguns, rifles, and shot-guns. One elected official even wants to repeal the Second Amendment! I want to ask the readers of this paper what they would do if their elected officials decided that they should only belong to a ""certain church"", or go to church on a ""partiular day""? What if you were told that you could only read certain books? Write about certain subjects? What if you no longer had the right to a jury of your peers? How about the right to assemble in a peaceful manner? ",talk.politics.guns 3302,"I have some Desert Storm cards for sale. I have divided them up into two lots. I will take the highest bid before 4/30/93. Just drop me a line with your bid. Lot #1 Desert Storm (Coalition for Peace, Topps) cards# 38,3,16,28(S),8(S),71,30,34*2,69,48,2,79,15,16(S),66,69,17,21,26 85,25,17(S),18,6,86,23,49 2nd series(Topps) cards# 118,111,92,104,115,160,95,162,31(S),136,110,123 147,107,164,108,170 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot #2 Desert Storm (Pro Set) cards# 44,87,120,196,229,19,74,121,153,208,47,100,150,187,13,58,178,217 22,94,142,197,227,4,108,174,228,6,89,137,190,205,23,82,128,199,211 (S) - Sticker card ",misc.forsale 3303," Well, I got WINZIP from cica (don't know which version, but I think it's the latest, as this is not long ago), and I was initially imressed. But here's the low-down: WINZIP is a *great* progra, *as long as you only unzip*. It lets you vew files, unzip only selected files, and even puts the files in a /checkout directory, and creates a ""checkout"" .grp and group if you want to check the program out. It even prompts for deletion of these on exit, if you didn;t like the program. *HOWEVER* (big however over here). I have problems zipping. I don't konw specifics on this, or ammount of consistency, but sometimes when I ""zip"" a few files, or add a file to a .zip, dos will violate something or other, and I'll be asked (in a kind, micro$oft kind of way) to quit all applications, quit windows, and restart my computer. I don't know (as I said) how consistent this is, as I jdont' zip much (and when I do, now I just go to dos and use it from there, or just use the ""run"" cmd) but I *do* know it's happened when I added files to an existing .zip file, *and* when I created a new .zip file, using selected files only. I don't know if it's happened when I zip an entire dir. Still, it has a rather nice interface, and quite useful ""unzip""ing functions. If the above is fixed, I'll be the first to register the new ver. (as for now, a good old, ""run-->unzip *.zip"" will work. (PS> if a new ver *is* out that fixes these, please let me know). peace, Mickey",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3304," When did *you* go out and change the laws of physics? :-) According to some numbers I used to see bandied around, shaft drive is on the order of 95-97% efficient, while chain drive is closer to 99%... Seems to me that this makes *chain* drive more efficient, hmmmmm??? And granted, shaft has a lot less maintenance, which is fine, if you don't mind less performance... :-) :-) Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy DoD #0013",rec.motorcycles 3305,"Much deleted about assembly in USA vs. other, I wish to focus on the subject of warm-running amplifiers: There is a correclation between warm-running amps and good sound, or in your words, ""it DOES have a bearing on...."". Now, I don't suggest that everyone run out and create combination stove/amplifiers that will degrade lifespan, but a cold-running circuit is much more suceptible to temperature variation with varrying current than is a warm-running one. And since junction resistance is a function of temperature, this has a detrimental effect on linearity. a few facts: -bias points vary with temperature -junction resist varrie with temp -Adcom products do NOT run class-A If you still don't beleive this assertion, consider the warm-up requirements for most good test equipment, or better yet, just listen to an amplifier warm-up. On many designs its quite audible, on mine, about 20 minutes for the output stage, many hours for the drivers. Fortunately the drivers are not switched. In any experiment, or when drawing conclusions from listening, betcareful to seperate the effect of device temperature from bias (idle current) level. Both have a positive correlation with low distortion and ""good"" sound quality, and high bias results in warmer operation, all other factors being equal.",sci.electronics 3306," If I remember correctly Prometheus books have this one in stock, so just call them and ask for the book. Cheers, Kent",alt.atheism 3307," Steve> Hmmm... given the error corrections in modern audio CDs, is Steve> it sufficient to simply instruct your agent to decrypt using Steve> the bit stream from the second cut of the latest Garth Brooks Steve> CD, or are the usual number of bit errors found acceptable in Steve> commercial CDs because of that error correction enough to Steve> garble the message if such a method is used? One unreliable data point: while looking over the shoulder of a recording engineer, I decided that he was seeing a raw error rate of about 1 in 1e6 on a CD ``master.'' Both the extrapolation to mass-market CDs and my state of mind while doing the arithmetic (I was waiting for him to finish so we could go get something to eat) are questionable. ",sci.crypt 3308,"Hello, All! I apologize, I haven't published my astro FTP list since March. Now I haven't tested all the sites included into the list. I would notified all the people, you have stored some older issues of my, there are now lots of changes. Many sites have gone away: They either do not exist any more or all the astro stuff have removed. The job keep this list is very hard, so all the notes and informat- ion of changes, new sites, new contents etc. is welcome. I would thank all the net people who give me information for the newest version. regards, Veikko Makela",sci.space 3309," The points raised about checking what is actually -in- the chip, as opposed to what is allegedly programmed therein, raise yet another trust issue. Even if we assume that these ""trusted agents"" are really entering a wide range of S1 and S2 seeds (rather than using the same one all the time to reduce the key search space to 30 bits), I assume they are not doing so by picking up an iron filing and poking it into the circuitry at carefully selected points to encode data. They would presumably be punching numbers into a computer, which for all they know could program the chips in a manner completely independent of the S1 and S2 values they are feeding into the system. ",sci.crypt 3310,"Hello, if you have any experience/knowledge/comments/advice/etc about Compaq's EISA Deskpro machines, please reply. (preferably via email) I'm thinking of getting one and am looking for any & all user comments. Thanks.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3311," David, Neither (1) or (2) apply with the government, though. The feds, unlike Apple, have repeatedly demonstrated that trust is an unsafe thread on which to hang your freedom. Why? Because unlike Apple in (2), the govt has no credibility to lose. I'm serious about this. One can name just about any agency -- the IRS, RTC, FCC, FAA, FBI, NSA, CIA -- and find numerous examples of the public trust run roughshod over. Worse, one can rarely find in such examples any serious consequences to the offending agency. Even supposing we could get a reign on trust somehow, there's always the matter of competence in govt agencies. Can they even trust themselves? -mel P.S. I was amused when you mentioned the USDA as an example of an agency capable of managing the an escrow. I'm a consultant to the USDA, and while those *I* work with are wonderful , the agency itself is ranked in industry publications such as Govt Computer News as one of the worst caretakers of its computer resources. Recently, Prime Time Live did a long segment on the USDA's computer troubles. They are making a concerted effort to change, but intentions don't make a track record.",sci.crypt 3312,"1. Withdraw 2. leave the people in the compund to lead their lives as they choose. 3. prosecute the BAFT agents for murder -- ",talk.politics.misc 3313,"The Branch Davidians were not violent and were not planning to start violence. When the BD compound was assaulted by the ATF the BD did fire back. But they agreed to a cease fire and they allowed the ATF to care for their wounded. The BD even released the ATF agents they captured. It is clear from the release of the agents and allowing the ATF medical attention that the BD were not looking for trouble. If the BD were violent they would have held the ATF agents as hostages. They would not have released them like they did. If they had kept the agents hostage they could have used them as bargening chips for medical attention etc. A big thing is being made of the BD collection of weapons but no one has shown that they had any plans to use them. It is also apparent that the BD did not have any military training. If they had, they could have dug bunkers and trenches and increased their fortifications. They could have shot out the lights and speakers. It appears that the BD were not violent, they shot back at the attacking ATF agents out of panic. There were shots fired on the last day but they were in response to the FBI attack on the compound with armor. All the violence in Waco was initiated by the federal agents, not the BD. ",talk.politics.guns 3314,"E G L I N A F B From: DENNIS L. HART Date: 14-May-1993 02:41pm CST HART Tel No: 904 882 3154 Dept: 646CCSG/SCWA*SAS TO: Internet Addressee ( _SMTP[xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu] ) Subject: VXT2000 Windowing Terminal Help Greetings! We have several VXT 2000 Windowing terminals and associated software on our network. We are able to open a LAT terminal window to any of our workstation nodes but we are unable to get a LAT X session to work. We have customized the terminal security to allow all LAT connections. Trying to invoke a LAT X session from the VXT 2000 results in the following message being displayed in the terminal manager window message area: Host Does Not Support X Sessions (The host is a VAX4000 Model 60 and does support X sessions) Opening a LAT terminal window and logging into the server node, setting the display variable as follows: $ set display/create/node=LAT_###########/transport=lat and then trying to create a decterm on the VXT as follows: $ create/term=decterm/detach Fails and gives the following error message: dectermport failed to find language, XOpenDisplay("""") returned NULL %DECW-F-CANT-OPEN-DISPL Can't open display The VXT 2000 is using its system defaults (ie. default font(s), language, ...) except for the security options to allow all connections and options enabling LAT protocol. we have VT1200 windowing terminals and the above things were enough to allow LAT X sessions. VMS Version is 5.5-1 Running DECwindows/Motif of VAX4000 Model 60s Please help. ",comp.windows.x 3315,"I have the following problem on a Dell 450SE with the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro EISA: When I start Windows, the first 5 times I try to run an application, it does not start. Windows will show the following error message: Error Executing application. There is not enough memory to run the application. After the first 5 tries, the application I want to run will start, and afterwards there are no more problems. When I change the Video driver from Mach 32 to 8514/a, this problem does not occur, so I suspect the ATI drivers (I tried both the build 55 and build 59 driver). Does anyone have a clue? ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3316," How do you know they can be shortened by half-an-hour? Has anybody done a study to determine how much time is actually ""wasted"" -- say, in these A's games?",rec.sport.baseball 3317,I am looking at the honda shadow 11000 and the intruder 800 or 1400? what have you heard about these bikes?,rec.motorcycles 3318,,None 3319,"------------------------------------------------------------------------- Netters! I have seen some postings on PC/IP from MIT. This package out of 1986(?) should be a full TCP/IP fro the DOS-machines. Is there anyone out there that's using it? I want to connect a DOS-machine to my OS/2 machine... Tell me what the DOS-machine should run (sample CONFIG and AUTOEXEC would be great) and where I can find a nfs client. I understand that a telnet and a ftp client are part of the package. I've got the Crynwr package drivers, but that's it! Please point me to a good source of information if you cannot help me yourself...",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3320,,None 3321," Hopefully, he doesnt take it personal...",None 3322," Here in Iowa it is/has been OWI (operating under the influence) and OMVI (operating motor vehicle under the influence). They (gov't) changed it to OMVI so that people in motor boats could also be charged with drunk driving. ",rec.motorcycles 3323,"I'm selling an assortment of goods!! They're all in excellent shape (the amp and detector were rarely used). Thule rack with locks for VW GTI or Jetta (2yrs)........ $75 Silca floor bike pump (pink) ........................... 20 Uniden Radar Detector (X and K bands, orig $134) ....... 75 Blaupunkt 60W car amp (orig $150) ...................... 75 Shipping included in all prices. Interested? Please respond by email (whsld login or sldenton@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) or phone (201) 386-2949 office.",misc.forsale 3324,"Tim Belcher pitched a dandy three-hit shut-out tonight as Cincinnati won their second straight 5-0. Pittsburgh Lefty Randy Tomlin was hit early and often by the heavily right-unbalanced Reds line-up, which managed some recently rare power with their bats. Belcher (1-1) was solid throughout and in fact seemed to get stronger as the game progressed. Early on he had several three-ball counts, but even those were few and far between later on as he allowed only one base-on-balls while striking out nine. In a post game interview he said his change-up was working for him--I should say so: all nine of his strikeouts were apparently on breaking balls. Tomlin (0-1), on the other hand was in trouble early, giving up a second-pitch double to lead-off batter Bip Roberts. Bobby Kelly followed with a single and Barry Larkin scored Roberts with a sharp single to right. The big guys (Mitchell, Sabo, Milligan) were unable to get anything after that--in fact they all struck out--but Kelly managed a score anyway due to a double-steal and a Tomlin wild pitch. In fact, it appeared that Tomlin was going to recover nicely from his shaky start-- he retired 9 of the next 11 batters to get to the fourth behind only 2-0. Randy Milligan, though, had different ideas as his line-shot was poorly played by Orlando Merced and turned into a triple. Milligan would later score on Reggie Sanders' sacrifice fly, giving Cinci the 3-0 lead after 4. The fifth inning spelled loss for Tomlin when Roberts led off with his second double of the game, and one batter later Larkin smacked a double down the left field line, chasing Tomlin. Barry later would score the final run on Tom Prince's two-base passed ball. The Pirates managed their only threat of the day in the bottom half of the fifth when Merced and Kevin Young hit back-to-back singles (the second being of the ""bunt"" variety), but Carlos Garcia struck out, Prince fit a foul fly, and pinch-hitter Lonnie Smith ""K'd"" to end any Pittsburgh hope. Pittsburgh pitchers backed Tomlin up well, though: relievers Blas Minor, Moeller (sp?), and Nagel gave up only two hits in their four-plus innings work. Barry Larkin left the game in the seventh when the grounder he (mis)played bruised his right thumb. He was taken to the hospital for ""precautionary X-rays"". Let's hope he's OK. Cincinnati is now 4-9, still the worst record in the majors, but with the two wins they may be looking at moving out of the cellar! Pittsburgh is now 7-6. *********REDS FANS*************************** If you would like to receive this report on a semi-daily basis (as often as I write it), send me your e-mail address and I'll put you on the list. If someone has a Reds mailing list, please forward it to me and I'll put everyone on the list!! ********************************************* CINCINNATI REDS AB R H K BB LO -----------------------------------------------|--------------------------- Roberts 2b 4 2 2 1 0 1 Kelly cf 4 1 1 0 0 0 Larkin ss 3 1 3 0 0 0 Branson ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 Mitchell lf 4 0 1 1 0 0 Hernandez lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 Sabo 3b 4 0 0 1 0 1 Milligan 1b 4 1 1 2 0 1 Sanders rf 3 0 0 2 0 0 Oliver c 4 0 2 2 0 0 Belcher p 4 0 0 2 0 1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Totals 34 5 10 11 0 4 3b Milligan (off Tomlin, leading off fourth, scored) 2b Roberts (off Tomlin, leading off first, scored) Roberts (off Tomlin, leading off fifth, scored) Larkin (off Tomlin, in fifth, one out, runner on second, RBI, scored) SF Sanders RBI Larkin 2, Sanders SB Kelly, Larkin GDP Sabo PITTSBURGH PIRATES AB R H K BB LO -----------------------------------------------|--------------------------- Martin lf 4 0 0 0 0 1 Bell ss 4 0 0 1 0 0 Van Slyke cf 4 0 0 0 0 0 King 3b 3 0 0 2 1 0 Merced rf 3 0 1 1 0 0 Young 1b 2 0 1 1 0 0 Garcia 2b 3 0 0 2 0 1 Prince c 3 0 1 0 0 0 Tomlin p 1 0 0 0 0 0 Minor p 0 0 0 0 0 0 Smith ph 1 0 0 1 0 2 Moeller p 0 0 0 0 0 0 Waynor ph 1 0 0 1 0 0 Nagel p 0 0 0 0 0 0 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29 0 3 9 1 4 GDP Merced --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cincinnati 2 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 ----- 5 11 1 Pittsburgh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ----- 0 3 0 Pitching IP R ER H K BB Cincinnati Belcher (W 1-1) 9 0 0 3 9 1 CG (1), SO (1) $$$LINE OF THE DAY!!!$$$ E- Larkin Pittsburgh Tomlin (L 0-1) 4 1/3 5 5 9 6 0 Minor 2/3 0 0 1 0 0 Moeller 2 0 0 0 3 0 Nagel 1 0 0 1 2 0 WP- Tomlin PB- Prince Umps Rippley/Hallion/Quick/Crawford Att-9,077 T-2:14 Coming up: The Reds play two more in Pitts, then go to Chicago for a weekend series. The weather doesn't look good, though-- don't be surprised if one or more games get rained out. Tomorrow, 7:35, Jose Rijo vs. Steve Cook, then Smiley vs. Wakefield on Thursday.",rec.sport.baseball 3325," Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system From: probulf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Frank Probul) Subject: Re: A/ROSE with Centris and Quadra models Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 14:33:26 GMT A/ROSE = Apple Real Time Operating System Environment This is a system extension for these NuBUS cards using the MCP (= Macintosh Coprocessor Platform). The MCP-cards are NuBUS cards with a Motorola 68000-Processor and 512 KB RAM (expandable to 1 Meg). MCP is a development platform for hardware-designers so they can use a card with an own processor and thus the main processor isn't needed for these cards. Currently the only cards I know are - the Apple TokenRing-Card - the new Apple Ethernet-Card - the Apple NuBUS serial card Perhaps there are some third-party-cards, but I don't know. --------------------------------------------- Frank Probul Emanuelstr. 17, D-8000 Munich 40, Germany AppleLink: Probul.F@AppleLink.Apple.COM internet: probulf@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Munich University of Technology Department of Computer Science Germany",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3326,"There is a file at the simtel archives called adda10.zip I think that is for DSP. ",sci.electronics 3327,"[...] Mr. Kuo: I don't recall seeing your byline around much before (at least on t.p.m). Let me clue you in on this newsgroup. t.p.m is populated largely by people whose hatred for the U.S. government, especially the government of Mr. Clinton, is literally boundless. To these people, the suggestion that agents of the U.S. government would carry out a spectacular massacre of its own citizens, in full view of TV cameras, is not an 'extraordinary claim'. It's just another day in the life of these United States. They don't have to suggest any reason why the FBI would want to publicly massacre citizens. Have you seen 'The Crying Game'? ""It's in their nature"". Don Pajerek",talk.politics.misc 3328," And won't they have to change their name to the ""Steelers"" or something. The only significant deposits of oil around Hamilton are those caused by the tire fire a few years back.",rec.sport.hockey 3329,"US Robotics Courier HST 14.4K Modem *External (volume control, LED display, power switch) *1600-1700 CPS compressed file transfers (higher for uncompressed files) *all manuals and original packaging This modem ussually costs around 500 * V.42 error control * V.42bis data conpression * MNP Class 5 error free throughput up to 38,400 bps Special price for YOU only.. !!!! $220 !!!!!! Please inquire with any questions.. email jmcneill@sdcc13.ucsd.edu or call VOICE: 619 622 1949",misc.forsale 3330,"Just a quick, simple question really... How many wheels are affected by the emergency brake on an '86 Nissan Maxima. I've heard that all four are affected, but this would seem unusual to me. I thought the emergency brake on most cars only affected the rear wheels. Also, how powerful is the emergency brake usually? Enough to lock wheels at 30mph? Hmmmm... I just have to wonder about some of the things I hear...",rec.autos 3331,"Another alternative is to cover the adhesive with another piece of duct tape then remove the tape. If it still doesn't work, try WD-40. BQN ",sci.electronics 3332," That is not an ""atheism mythology"" in any sense of the word. ""Religious paradoy"" would be significantly more appropriate. The 2nd part is rendered null and void by the simple fact that I do know several ""strong"" atheists. I am sure that others do. I myself am ""strong"" in the sense that I find the standard concept of God without any meaning. Any attempt to bring meaning either results in the destruction of the viability of language, or in internal self contradiction. The concept of strong atheism is not just a whimsical fantasy. They, and I, exist. Your strawman is pointless and weak. --- Private note to Jennifer Fakult. ""This post may contain one or more of the following: sarcasm, cycnicism, irony, or humor. Please be aware of this possibility and do not allow yourself to be confused and/or thrown for a loop. If in doubt, assume all of the above.",alt.atheism 3333," Has anyone publically considered the possibility that the fires were set for defence instead of suicide and the destruction and confusion caused by the tanks and gas caused things to get out of the BDs control? -- ""Spending programs are now 'investments,' taxes are 'contributions,' and these are the same people who say _I_ need a dictionary?"" - Dan Quayle 2/19/93",talk.politics.guns 3334,": >Showing a meaningless (relatively) baseball game over the overtime of : >game that was tied up with less than 3 seconds left on the clock?",rec.sport.hockey 3335," That's _Five Weeks In A Balloon_. And if anyone can tell me where to get it, I sure would like a reply! I've been looking for that book for TEN YEAR+, and never found it. (Note that I am _not_ looking for a $200 collector's item; I'm hoping that *someone* has published it in modern times, either in paperback or hardcover. I'm willing to spend $50 or so to get a copy. ",sci.space 3336,"Does anyone know where I could get some source code for a GIF viewer on a PC. It doesn't have to be fancy, it would be best if it were written in C to display gif pictures on a VGA screen. I was hoping to get it for free from an FTP site, but I haven't been able to find it yet. ",comp.graphics 3337,"How about Brooks Robinson's last homerun ever? #268 came on 4-19-77 at Memorial Stadium with one out and two on in the bottom of the 10th inning. Larry Harlow was due up, but Brooks pinch-hit a 3-2 pitch from Dave LaRoche into the left field bleachers for a 6-5 win.",rec.sport.baseball 3338,"Tuesday April 27, 1993 UPDATE This is my latest updated list of strange/bizzare/odd/independent comics that I have for sale. As always, most are cover price, but some I will actually look up in the guide to see ""how much it is worth."" This week's special: Youngspud (spoof comics) Oldblood/Bragade (spoof comics) Spoofs of your favorite Image comics. Both of these comics for $5.00 which includes shipping. A1 6 (featuring Tank-Girl) 10 Adventurers (Aricel and Adventure series) The Adventures of Luther Arkwright 2, 7 After Apocalypse 1 Alias Blastpoint Alien Nation 2 Angryman 2 Animal Man 35-38, 41-48, Trade Paperback (issues 1-9) Anything but Monday 1 Apache Dick 1-3 Ape Nation 1 Arion The Immortal 1 Atlantis Chronicles 1 Avengers 263, 272, 300, 306, 324, 329, Annual 15, 18, 19 Avengers West Coast 67 Back to the Future (cartoon adaption) Badaxe 1 Bade Biker Orson 4 Batman: Shadow of the Bat (in polybag) Batman vs Predator 1 Batman: Year One Bats, Cats & Cadillacs 1 Beer Nutz 2 Bizarre 3-D Zone 1 Blackhawk Book 1-3 Black Scorpion 1 Blackthorne Publishing Flip-Book 1 Blood Sword Dynasty 28 Bob's Favorite Comics 1 Boof (caliber) 1 Boris the Bear 1 Boris the Bear 1 (Slaughters the Teenage Radioactive Black Belt...) Big Numbers 1 Blackhawk 1, 2, 3 Breathtaker 1 Butt Biscuit 1 Cadillacs & Dinosaurs 1 Cage 1 Cap'n Quick & a Foozle 1 Cosmic Odyssey Crossroads 1,5 Cyberpunk 1 Dark Horse Presents 1, 5, 25, 37, 40, 43 Desert Storm: Send Hussein to Hell! 1 Dragon Chiang Dungeoneers 3 Elflord Vol 2 No 4 Elftrek 1 Enchanter (eclipse) 3 Eye of Mogambo Felix The Cat 1 Fire Team 3 Fish Police 3-8, 22 Flash Gordon 1-4 Fly 1 French Ice 10, 13 Full Throttle 1 Gajit Gang 1 Gambit 1 Gatekeeper 1 Get Lost 1 Ghost Rider & Captain America: Fear Give me Liberty 4 Godzilla 2 The Greatest Flash Stories Ever Told Green Arrow 1-9, 12, 47-51, Ann 1, 4 Greenhaven 1 Green Hornet 5, 13, 14 Green Lantern 1 Grey 1 GrimJack 26, 71, 80 Grimjack Casefiles 5 Guardians of the Galaxy 25 Hammer of God 1 Hamster Vice 1 Harley Rider 1 Haunt of Fear 1 Hercules Unbound 1 Hollywood Superstars 5 I Saw It I am Legend Icarus 1-6 Icon 1 Idol 1 Illuminatus 1 In-Country Nam 2 Interface (epic) 1-3 Intruder (TSR comics module) 3 Invaders from Home 1 Invaders from Mars (eternity) 2 Jademan Kung-Fu Special 1 Jaguar 1 Jason Monarch 1 Jeremiah: Birds of Prey 1, 2 John Byrne's Next Men 1, 3, 4 Judge Dredd 41 Justice Machine 6, 29 Justy 1, 2, 7, 8 Kicker's Inc Kid Cannibal (eternity) 2 Kobra 1 Labor Force (blackthorne) 4 Last American (epic) 1, 3, 4 Last Generation 1, 3, 4 Last of the Viking Heroes 2 Legend of the Shield 1 Legend Killer 1 Legend of Kamui 1, 4, 6, 13, 14, 19 Lensman 7 Lethargic Comics, Weakly 1 Light and Darkness War 1, 2 Living Stone Mountain Loner 1 Lords of the Ultra-Realms 1 Lucifer 1 M.A.C.H. 1 (fleetway) Secret Weapon 1, 2 Master 1 Maxwell Mouse Follies 1 Maze 5, 18, 19 Merlin 3, 6 Meta-4 (first) 1 Metal Bikini (eternity) 6 Metropol 1, 11 Miami Mice 3 (Marke Bode) Midnite the Rebel Skunk 1 Mister E 1 Mr. Monster's True Crime 2 Ms. Tree (renagade) 26, 28, 37, 40 Ms. Tree in 3-D Ms. Tree Quarterly (DC) 3, 4 Mummy 1, 2 Mummy,s Curse (aricel) 1, 3 Myth Conceptions 1 Nathaniel Dusk 2 Nathan Impaler: Monster Hunter (night realm) 1 Nemesis the Warlock (quality) 1, 5 New Beginning 1 New Frontier 1 Newstralia 3 New Triumph featuring Northguard 4 New York Year Zero 1-4 Night Life (caliber) 8 Night Zero (fleetway) 2 Ninja Elite (adventure) 1-5, 7 Nosferatu 1 Official Buz Sawyer 1 Official Prince Valiant 1, 2 Olympians 1 One 1 Open Season 1 Open Space 2, 3 Oracle 1 Original Black Cat 1 OX Cow O' War 1 Pandora Pill 1 Panorama 1 Pathways to Fantasy 1 Patrick Rabbit 1 Penguin in Paris 4 Personality Comics Presents Musics Comics on Tour The Beatles 1 Personality Comics Presents Rolling Stones Pineapple Army 6 Planet of the Apes 8 Portia Prinz of the Glamazons 4 Psycho Killers (comic zone) 6 (Richard Ramirez Punisher and Captain America: Blood and Glory 1-3 Question (DC) 35 Red Heat 1 Retief 1 Rhudiprrt The Prince of Fur 2 Rivit (blackthorne) 1 Robocop vs. The Terminator 1 Rock and Roll Comics 56 (David Bowie) Rockin Rollin Miner Ants (fate) 4 Roger Rabbit's Toontown 1 Runners (rip off press) 1 Sable (first) 19 Same Slade Robohunter Samurai Son of Death Scarlet Kiss 1 Scavengers (quality) 9, 10 Scorched Earth 1, 3 Scout: War Shaman 4 Screen Monsters 1 Sensational She-Hulk (marvel graphic novel 18) shatterpoint (eternity) 2 Shuriken 3 Shuriken Cold Steel 1 Silverfawn 1 Sinbad (adventure) Book 1: The Four Trials #4 Sisterhood of Steel 7 Skreemer (DC) 1, 2 Slaine Slash Maraud 1-6 Song of the Cid (caliber) 2 Sonic Disrupters 6 Space Ark 1 Spellbinders (quality) 3 Spider 1-2 Spider-Man Special 1 (vs. Venom, UNICEF giveaway 1993) Spider-Man and Power Pack (giveaway) Spoof (Spawn Spoof) St George 1 Stalkers (epic) 1 Stark Future (aricel) 5 Starriors 1-4 Steed & Mrs Peel 1 Straw Men (all-american) 1, 2 Street Wolf 2 Super Shark Humanoids 1 Survivors 1 Swords of Shar-Pei 1 Syphons 1 Tales from the Aniverse 3 Tales of Ordinary Madness 1-4 Tales of the Green Hornet 1, 2 Tales of the Jackalope 1 Thundersaur 1 Tomb of Dracula 1 Torrid Affairs 4, 5 Toxic Avenger 1-3 Transmutation of Ike Garuda 1 Trekker 1-5 Trouble with Tigers (antarctic) 1 Twilight Man (first) 1, 4 2000 AD Showcase 50 UFO Alien Contact (comic zone) 1 Ultra Klutz 1 Unicorn Isle 2 Valkyrie 1-3 Anne Rice: Interview With a Vampire 1 Anne Rice: Vampire Companion 1 Anne Rice: Vampire Lestat 5 Venus Wars 1 Video Jack 1-5 Violent Cases Wacky Squirrel Summer Fun Special 1 Wanderers 1 War 1, 2 Warheads 1 Warlock 5 (aricel) 20 Wasteland 5 Web 1 Weird 1 Wizards of the Last Resort 1 World Without End 4 X-Terminators 1-4 Zell Sworddancer 1 Zorro 1 Most comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards. Shipping is $1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order a large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle. I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what you've been looking for, and maybe I can help. I will trade for other comics as well as computer equipment, video equipment, etc... Let me know what you want to trade!! ",misc.forsale 3339," It is also much easier to scribble corrections on a hard-copy manual.",sci.electronics 3340,"I don't wish to rehash the PGP patent issue at all, but I do feel that some potential misconceptions in interpretting intellectual property laws need to be raised. You are correct that executing PGP would be a violation (unless the patent were declared invalid by the courts), but... there is a question as to when, how, or if distributing PGP would be a violation. If the person or company distributing PGP receives money for doing so, then it is clearly a sale (for example, if it were on Compuserve, they charge you for access so they would be selling PGP). When there is no charge for PGP things get less clear, but there would still be a reasonable view that it is inducing an infringement. This is a common misconception. The patent laws do not mention any valid purpose for infringing a patent. Although it is clear that in order to create a new invention either based on a prior patent or to avoid infringing a prior patent, one must perform research on an existing patent. To just say that you infringed a patent (assume we're not talking the RSA patent) only for research purposes (wink wink, nudge nudge) and then never develop any related invention (ie. only use it), would be a clear infringement. ",sci.crypt 3341," Certainly. Reference follows. Bear in mind that there are at least two conditions which may be called red/green colour blind. One, protanopia, is caused by a lack or major dysfunction of the L cones, those that respond best to long wavelengths. This gives much reduced red/green and red/violet discrimination and also means that reds look dimmer than than they do to people with normal vision. The other, deuteranopia, is due to missing or dysfunctional M cones although it can also be caused by a lack of the L-M cone difference signals in the retina. It also gives reduced red/green discrimination but red/violet is unaffected. Unlike protanopia, reds are not dimmer than normal. On a uniform chromaticity diagram - the horseshoe shaped one you see in computer graphics books - there is a single confusion point for each type of colour deficiency. Colours which are confused lie on straight lines radiating from this point. For protanopia the point is at u'=0.61,v'=0.51, very close to the far red corner. For deuteranopia, the point is at u'=-4.75, v'=1.31 Note that different experimental investigations in the literature give slightly different values for these depending on the precise details of the experimental setup, random errors, and so on. The values quoted are typical. So if all colours on a line are seen as the same, which colour is actually seen? This problem has now been solved. Tests on people with one normal eye and one affected eye have shown that there is an axis for each type of disorder onto which all the colours collapse. For protanopes this joins up 473nm and 574nm on the spectral locus (the edge of the horseshoe); for deuteranopes the line is very similar, joining 477nm and 579nm. *So* to convert colours from normal vision to a simulated protanopia or duuteranopia: 1) Plot the colour on a uniform chromaticity diagram 2) Construct a line from this point to the appropriate confusion point 3) Find the intersection of this line with the appropriate axis line 4) This is the new chromaticity. The best reference for this is Meyer, G.W. & Greenberg, D.P. (1988) 'Colour defective vision and computer graphics displays', IEEE Computer Graphics and Applications 8(5) 28-40. You will also need a decent reference on basic colour science if you are not familiar with the CIE XYZ colour model and the uniform chromaticity scale diagram. Yes this is certainly possible. You will need the chromaticities of the red green and blue phosphors of the monitor you intend to display the images on, and the chromaticity of the white point. This information can be measured, or obtained from the manufacturer. I posted a list of some monitor chromaticities a couple of weeks ago. The procedure, for each pixel (!) is as follows. (Some lookup tables might be a help here.) A) convert RGB to CIE XYZ. This is a simple 3*3 matrix multiplication once you have the monitor data. B) retaining the Y component for later, convert XYZ to chromaticity coordinates u'v' using u' = 4X/(X+15Y+3Z), v' = 9Y/(X+15Y+3Z) C) find the equation of the line as in step 2 above D) find the intersection as in step 3 E) convert back from u'v' to XYZ, using the Y value from step A F) Ensure that this new colour can be displayed on your monitor; if not, move it along a line in XYZ space towards neutral grey (ie half way between black and white) until it is displayable. Done; also posted for the rest of us. -- Chris Lilley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road, Manchester, UK. M13 9PL Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045 Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc",comp.graphics 3342," This sounds to me like a sort of generic modalism (in the the three phases of water are but different modes of behavior of the same physical stuff). It certainly does not seem to me to describe the orthodox position. [Of course, I suppose that the medieval view of water may have been different, but now we know that the phases of water are just different *behaviors* of the same physical stuff - different modes, not different identities - but perhaps the medieval people did not know that]. This is clearly Modalistic Monarchianism, since these three aspects depend solely on point of view, and are do not really represent actual variety within the person. Do you now begin to see why ",soc.religion.christian 3343,,None 3344," Well 48 bit colour *could* be for improved resolution but 16 bits per channel seems like a bit excessive. I have seen a paper that quoted 10 bits per channel of 12 bits for computational precision. More than that would seem to be wasted. Perhaps the frame buffer uses another colourspace which needs more bits to represent the full range - RGB is a cube so it is a compact encoding. Most likely however is that there are two separate 24 bit (8 bits per component) frame buffers. This set up, called double buffering, allows a complex 3d picture to be built up on one buffer while the other buffer (containing the previous frame) is displayed. This makes for smoother animation. Well hey if you want to brag about numbers, the 5000 range can take a PXG Turbo+ card with 96 bits per pixel. Full double buffering (Two 24 bit buffers), a 24 bit Z buffer and an extra 24 bit buffer for off screen image storage. Mind you the card costs more than your workstation. -- Chris Lilley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road, Manchester, UK. M13 9PL Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045 Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc",comp.graphics 3345," Perhaps it was the most exciting game played yet that YOU have seen. For most of us who watch teams around the league with interest and objectivity, it was *nowhere* *near* the most exciting game... Unfortunately, the instant replay is not used on hits. At first, I immediately thought ""5 and a game"" because the hit _looked_ much more severe from an intent-to-injure perspective than it was. After seeing the replay, I'd say it deserved 2-4 minutes for boarding (it was careless any way you slice it). If Stewart had replay, I do not think Chaisson would have gotten 5 and the game. This no-call was bullshit, I agree. I admire Stewart for letting them go, but Probert *looked* *up* saying where the hell is the penalty? I've never seen Probert whine either (he doesn't need to). Now, if Probie decides to put Wendel through the boards, he's probably gone, right? This was also bullshit. But once again, no replay. It was Rouse, btw. I'm really pissed that the linesmen didn't correct the call either....it's b.s. when the officials refuse to admit they made a mistake. Yes. The calls you describe should not have the difference in a Detroit loss. I picked the Leafs to win Game 3 on emotion and adrenalin, but the Wings have no excuses for Game 4. They should be the superior team. The call that pissed me off the most was Anderson getting 4 for putting his stick in somebody's eye. That was _the_ most dangerous stick infraction I have seen in a long time, and everybody in the damn league _knows_ he's an asshole when it comes to stickwork. Four lousy minutes. Bullshit call. Murray should send the tape in. Or a Wing should hammer the living shit out of him. ",rec.sport.hockey 3346," I have done this before, but I'm not sure I used the best approach (although I tried several methods...). You have to run up the window heirarchy (using XQueryTree()) until you get to the root window. Now, this is not so simple because some window managers slap a window over the root window that is the same size as the root window, so be sure to take that into account for further calculations. Calculate the position and width/height offsets for each window using XGetGeometry(). BE SURE TO TAKE THE BORDER_WIDTH INTO CONSIDERATION. Remember a windows border_width IS ON THE OUTSIDE of a window, so the windows x,y,width,height must be adjusted accordingly. All of this should give you pretty good numbers for how much space the window-manager is using. Now, to place the new window, you have to use the same numbers to calculate where you want to place it, because the window-manager will re-parent it on the OUTSIDE of where you place your window (if I remember correctly). DISCLAIMER: All of this is from memory, and I no longer have the code. But I did get it working under several window managers correctly. Feel free to call or e-mail for further info. -McGary ",comp.windows.x 3347,"Everywhere we see and hear about christianity (due to its evangalistic nature). Witnessing, spreading the gospel, etc. But what I want to know is... ""Why should I (or anyone else) become a Christian?"" (In twenty five words or less). Zeros and Ones will take us there.... peace. plastic. 1993.",soc.religion.christian 3348," OK, never heard of Cross filters, but Roberts, Prewitt and Sobel filters are standard spatial masks for edge detection. Highpass filtering does a good job of detecting edges, too. A good reference for all sorts of general digital image processing is the book _Digital Image Processing_ by Rafael C. Gonzalez and Richard E. Woods. Addison-Wesley Publishing Co. 1992. ISBN 0-201-50803-6 I've used this source to do the above filters and many other things as a grad project. Not too dificult to do. The worst part is loading in the images from TIFF/GIF/IFF-ILBM/whatever! :)",comp.graphics 3349,"Is there a portable and convenient way to use color picture files in the .xpm format to define an X pixmap in a Motif application? Any functions, pointers, tips etc. would be most welcome. -------------------- Saad Mufti Personal Library Software",comp.windows.x 3350," How about, Frank Jacksonsuck-Bolick or Frank ""Cake Icing"" Bolick or Frank it's not a cow but a Bolick or Frank How Do you get a ribbon to stay on a birthday present Bolick or Frank ""Burns"" Bolick or Frank Lee Bad Player Bolick or Frank ""I Suck, not"" Bolick and so on. Matt Wall * wall@cc.swarthmore.edu * Hey, I gotta job here, OK?",rec.sport.baseball 3351,"There was an article in one of the U.K. dailies this week about a soccer goalkeeper who had to be carried off the field after a collision with a Ford Sierra cage.",rec.motorcycles 3352,"I am trying to find out anything I can about available documentation for IGES and e00(Arc/Info) formats. If you know anything about these formats (or just one) PLEASE send me a note. I don't read this group, so please send responses to: mike@prc.utexas.edu Thank You",comp.graphics 3353," Gee, nice of them to tell us. Like, how about a Gestalt response bit for the GestaltPowerManagerAttributesFoodSpreadProduct selector? Well, at least now I know why it doesn't work (I assume; I 'm using a PB 145).",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3354," Then we all live happily ever after. :-) Seriously, if we all agreed on the circumstances we're in, I suspect we'd all agree on the best course of action. Unfortunately, I have no confidence that such a situation will ever arise. Some of us think there's a big God in the sky, some don't. Some think they've been chosen by God, others disagree. Some think they are infallible, others think otherwise. Until those disagreements over circumstances can be ironed out, there's little hope of everyone agreeing. Yes. I think that, for example, only a vanishingly small number of people would hold that there's a frame of reference in which gassing six million Jews is good. So that's probably about as close to an objective moral value as I've encountered in my life so far. Well, I think your example's poor. If the bomb's in Iraq, for example, and was dropped by an American plane, many people would hold that it was a moral act. Hmm. So these moral values have a perceptible physical presence? Right, and the chain ends right there. The buck stops with me. It's not an infinite regress. Right. The key point, however, is that there are vanishingly few of these moral issues where we can get 99.9% of people to agree on the outcome for all frames of reference (and agree on the frames of reference...) I can't manage either. Killing Hitler using a car bomb would have been a terrorist act, but I have to admit that I couldn't exactly condemn it. Although there are tricky philosophical issues to do with hindsight... I think that circumstances have already arisen where terrorism would have been better than peace. Better in terms of numbers of innocent people killed. Assuming it was successful terrorism, of course. ",talk.religion.misc 3355,,None 3356,"Ideas for the relief of sciatica. Please respond to my E-mail ",sci.med 3357,"I looked at that Bimmer yesterday. It's an '81, has about 90kmi, according to owner (odometer stopped working at 68Kmi). Drivess well, sounds good, body is OK, he wants $3000. i liked the car, despite it's auto tranny, but my wife will be a primary driver on this one, and she wants auto. The radio does not work untill the car warms up and you honk the horn (!) The A/C seems to have a leak. The sunroof is sticky, but operational. Odometer does not work, as mentioned before. Idle is a bit bouncy, going from 900rpm to 1200rpm. Wipers are slow. That's teh gripes. The owner says that he changed radiator, alternator, rotors and calipers, exhaust. The biggest problem, is that the owner is a shifty SOB, telling strange stories. I hate that. I would never buy from a persom like that, except, how often you see a descent 528i for that amount of money. He also said that, although I could bring a mechanicin, he wouldn't let me check the car by taking it to a garage. Suspicious. And who knows what milage is on it. So, let me know what to check for, given there's practically no rust. I know there was an article on 528i in R&D a few years back, anybody remembers what issue? Mike.S ",rec.autos 3358," Look nobody asked those countries about their UN forces to be on the ground. They can take their forces which are incomponent and ineffective at the first place. And let whoever are willing to do the job what it takes. How anyone can defend this stinking UN force on the ground who let the Bosnnian PM yanked out from the UN vehicle and being shot by the Serbian military? How anyone can defend this UN force who are just watching the shelling on cities and towns everyday? How anyone can defend and say those stinking UN forces being effective when Bosnian had almost 14,000 children casualties between 5-14 age groups? I think talking about the current UN forces to Bosnian muslims is just an insult to their casualties. I think Senator Biden said it all what has to be said on this issue. Europe is a sad place to criticize human rights in anywhere in this world. Like Biden said, they are the bigots when it comes to cultural difference and minorty closer to their home. Because they get rid of their minorities long long time ago starting in 15th centuries. And they let Adolph to take care of the rest in 20th Century. But he was much more naughty than they expected because he dared to step many toes. So, why spoil the good thing now when Serbs doing today what they were thinking the same yesterday.",talk.politics.mideast 3359,"Hi, Just a quick question. What standard lab solvents can be used to clean electronic equipment and components safely (ie not corrode, dissolve, short-out, etc the equipment)? water? :-) methanol? CCl4? etc? I am not an electronics type (surprise, surprise), and I want to avoid using freons.",sci.electronics 3360,"Copyright 1993 Agence France Presse Agence France Presse HEADLINE: Egyptian arrested after mock threat to blow up Iran's Paris mission DATELINE: PARIS BODY: PARIS, April 16 (AFP) - An Egyptian man held police at bay for several hours outside the Iranian Embassy here, threatening to blow up the building to protest against terrorism and fundamentalism. The man in his thirties, who was identified only as ""an Egyptian national ,"" displayed a banner outside the embassy gate and said he was in possession of several sticks of dynamite he threatened to set off.",talk.politics.mideast 3361,"Did you by any chance see the pictures of the agents in flak jackets climbing up on the roof and breaking windows. You call that peaceful? If you believed, as these people did, that they would be attacked by evil forces from the outside, found the scores of agents breaking into your compound what would you do? Your beliefs always determine your actions. The beliefs may be wrong from my point of view but they are yours all the same. To make it more practical. If I attempted to stick you with a needle you would try to stop me because you believe it would hurt, or that I do not have that right. If you did not you would ignore me. You certainly would it you saw me sticking the needle in a tree. Koresh may have been misguided, only God knows. But the Jews at Masada died for what they believed, the three Hebrews preferred to die in the furnace rather than bow down, Daniel preferred to die in a lion's den rather than stop praying to his God, and as a Christian I am prepared to die for my faith. Koresh was not dying for now reason. He had a cause. Why should he give up the children to forces he was convinced were evil. The events are bizarre but they match his beliefs.",talk.religion.misc 3362,": >IS3does anyone know whether or not it is possible to have 2 monitors working : >IS3with Microsoft Windows 3.1? I have a Taxan Multi Vision 550 and a NEC : This may work when using a VGA and a Hercules card in one system, but : using two VGA-cards in one system will never work. I believe that two 8514 (8514/A?) may be used in tandem on one system. This is the one exception to the VGA+Mono dual monitor combo that I have heard about. Has anybody done this?",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3363," With one exception, that's a pretty good description of many of the Baptists I know. The exception is that they know the difference between an M-16 and an AR-15. Heck - they even know that ""it looks like Richard Petty's stock car"" doesn't mean ""it's a racing stock car"". They may be uncouth, but they've figured out that appearance isn't function. -andy",talk.politics.guns 3364," Actually, Keith Hernandez is the best. -Sean ",rec.sport.baseball 3365,"Since loading Windows, two of my DOS applications have been acting strangely. It appears that font changes and page orientation changes (so far) are not being recognized in WordPerfect/DOS and QuattroPro/DOS. Another DOS application does accept font and page orientation changes, so I don't think the problem is with the printer. I reloaded QuattroPro, and these changes are still not accepted whether launching from Windows or the DOS prompt. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to look or how to correct this problem? I've ordered QuattroPro for Windows, but need a landscape application printed immediately. Please e-mail. Thanks in advance!",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3366,"It's the number of legs on a centipede. So, now you know. ",comp.graphics 3367," Let me guess: you're not a psycho-analyst in real life, but you play one on alt.atheism. Right? Is ESP something you have been given by God? --- Private note to Jennifer Fakult. ""This post may contain one or more of the following: sarcasm, cycnicism, irony, or humor. Please be aware of this possibility and do not allow yourself to be confused and/or thrown for a loop. If in doubt, assume all of the above.",alt.atheism 3368,"Note: I'm not posting this as part of an argument with Roger Meynard, but as an independent sort of thread. I do actually quote some things that Roger Meynard wrote, but it might be better to think of this as ""sampling"" his post (in the hip-hop sense) because it fits in with what I want to say. There's an interesting parallel between this way of viewing a baseball team and some people's conception of a biological organism. In the biology context, we would very likely read ""fitness"" for ""the score of the game"" and ""organisms"" for ""teams"". How we interpret ""players"" is trickier, but either ""organs"", or ""genes"" might seem reasonable choices depending on what point we were trying to make. A ""genes"" interpretation actually might be really interesting in this case, but that would be a different and probably longer post. If, however, we take the ""organ"" view, then our knowledge of biology should make us pause before we start saying things like ""species X is more fit than species Y because of a better organ Z"". Given what we know about the interdependence of organs, we would often be suspicious of such claims. (But note that this type of argument is quite often made when you map ""species X"" onto 'humans', and ""organ Z"" onto 'brain'). On the other hand, some statements of this kind do seem more reasonable than others, as far as we can test them (e.g. 'brain' above might be more reasonable than 'pancreas' assuming no gross pathology, particularly if species Y is a primate). Even when you make such statements, you should be concerned with the functioning of the whole organism, and the possibility that one organ might be more crucial for one species and a second organ in another. (Not to mention the possibility that no organ is particularly crucial in some third species.) However, if we are non-vitalists with any kind of reductionsit streak, we will want to say that an organism is not some completely magical unanalyzable ""whole"" but an intriguing process made up of various subprocesses that interact in ways that are potentially observable. Some of these processes might be localized to particular organs, while others may be distributed across multiple organs. In a way, this is just like a baseball team, except that I think it is pretty clear that the processes and interactions involved in baseball are *much* simpler and less numerous than in most organisms. One thing that is quite difficult about baseball is that perfectly controlled experiments are sometimes very tough to do. But, of course, this has never stopped researchers from doing the best they can, and sometimes deriving very powerful conclusions even in the absence of certainty. Most of this goes far beyond sheer speculation, but even sheer speculation can motivate further interesting research. In this cases, we're seeing the word ""statistics"" means ""summary of observed events"", where the events themselves can be viewed as the output of some process, and possibly inputs for other processes. Thus, if we have any valid notion of how the processes are put together into the functioning organism, data in the form of statistics might give us a basis to test particular hypotheses. This statement brings us back to the concept of fitness again. Fitness is defined in terms of both an organism and its environment; you might be fit in one situation and not another. Moving to baseball, it is clear that each team spends the entire season in an environment including all the other teams in the league. In at least a nominal sense, the division winners are the fittest teams in the league, in that they (on average) had better fitness scores than any of their competing opponennts. But in a real sense, there is a fairly large random component in the performance of each team that is difficult if not impossible to account for in terms of factors intrinsic to (or interesting for) baseball. The same is true in biology. But here is also no direct biological equivalent of the World Series in basebal. In the world series, the random component may be greatly magnified by the small number of games that are played, and both teams suddenly experience huge changes from the environement where they were originally successful. It might be fun to watch, but it's unclear what it all really means. *** Now just one more un-related point: On the other hand, you have seen some of us who can predict the outcome of the divisional races better than a random assignment of teams to finishes, and maybe some of us (e.g. me) who can do this better than the other participants in this forum on a regular basis. But this is probably only due to the fact that a 162-game schedule gives you a little hope that bad hops aren't the only difference between the winners and the losers. Moreover, you've had the opportunity to see some analysis of the World Series situation that makes the strong claim that *nobody* can predict the WS winner with reliably greater accuracy than a coin biased only to reflect the well-known home vs. road effect on winning percentage. Since stats are summaries of events, it's true that if you know the events you can derive the stats. But if somebody is trying to understand the process behind the stats, then the stats produce new knowledge, and some of this might even be reliable, repeatable, and useful. Speaking of which, I should get back to producing knowledge in a different field. That is, of course, if I can produce knowledge even though I'm relying on stats to do it.",rec.sport.baseball 3369," That's great. Read my article. Edit out the personal formality, and save. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Gruschow Death do you gronk. ag625@yfn.ysu.edu ggruscho@nyx.cs.du.edu",sci.electronics 3370,"Olympus Stylus, 35mm pocket camera. Smallest in its class. Includes TIME & DATE STAMP, BATTERY, & CARRYING CASE. Red eye reduction, timer fully automatic. Rated #2 in Consumer Reports. $115 obo. ",misc.forsale 3371,"I have the following LDs for sale 20 for 1st 15 each additional, postage (3rd class) paid. Project A-ko (Japanese - NO ENGLISH) Dominion Act-I (Japanese - NO ENGLISH) Dominion Act-II (Japanese - NO ENGLISH) Far From the Madding Crowd (LBX) West Side Story (LBX) Ben Hur (P&S) The Dirty Dozen (P&S) Star Trek V (P&S) The Fabuluos Fleischer Folio Vol 1 Tom and Jerry Classics Bugs Bunny Classics -- brian oplinger@ra.crd.ge.com",misc.forsale 3372,"I am writing an article on Clipper for Network World. I am looking for comments and opinions (that I can quote) on the scheme, its implications for security and privacy, its acceptance here and overseas, etc. I hope this to be a balenced article, with opinions from various quarters. The only catch is that your name and company affiliation will appear in print. I am on very tight deadline (I need to finish this Wednesday night). Please call or E-Mail responses.",sci.crypt 3373," The answer is in the FAQ for this group. nough said. ",None 3374,"Jim Haynes wants to know the following is a scam.... There's a chiropractor who has a stand in the middle of a shopping mall, offering free examinations. Part of the process involves a multiple-jointed sensor arm and a computer that says in a computer- sounding voice ""digitize left PSIS"" ""digitize right PSIS"" ""digitize C7"" ""please stand with spine in neutral position"". I'm wondering whether this doesn't really measure anything and the computer voice is to impress the victims, or whether it is measuring something that chiropractors think is useful to measure. Earth to sci.med....If it looks like a duck...and quacks like a duck...... This is a TOTAL scam. Since the beginning of chiropraxis, the chiropractor has tried to sell The Subluxation as The Problem and then sell themselves and their Adjustments as The Solution. The Chiropractic Subluxation is a delusional diagnosis and the Adjustments of Subluxations by extension constitute a delusional medicine. The wide spectrum of chiropractic Techniques ALL have their own methods for detecting Spinal Demons and unique methodolgies for Excorcizing Them. The computer approach is an attempt to 'sell with science' but this device is nothing more than a 'high-tech' Subluxation Detector.....and in the end... AMAZINGLY...it will show the potential 'patient' to suffer from...VS...... Vertebral Subluxation....The Silent Killer!",sci.med 3375,"yet another twist ... I'm expiriencing the same kind of problem with my SE (2.5/40), although not as frequent. Any suggestions? ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3376,"Answers please by e-mail, since not all groups in the header are carried here. Hi! Personally, I like NeXTSTEP very much. Even more when I realise how much a burden ordinary X or Windows programming is. I also like Objective-C better than I like C++. But, sometimes the restrictions are there. For instance it sometimes has to be MS-Windows or X. Now I'm looking for pointers to tools on those environments that come close to NeXTSTEP, the appkit etc. Also, environs that support rapid prototyping (like with IB) without producing spaghetti-code as soon as you want to do real work. Maybe STEPSTONE with some Windows version of a kit of UI objects? Interviews (what it is exactly, I don't know. I kind of lost touch with that world when I started with NeXTSTEP.) Thanks, ",comp.windows.x 3377,"*********************Sony B+W Watchman TV********************* Sony B+W 2.5 inch TV. It is in excellent condition. It has not been used much at all, thus why I am selling it. It gets great $60 reception. It sells new for $100 so I am asking $60. It is small enough (3""x6""x2"") that you can carry it around anywhere. Please e-mail to jbell@eecom.gatech.edu -- ",misc.forsale 3378," There's a difference between believing in the existence of an entity, and loving that entity. God _could_ show me directly that he exists, and I'd still have a free choice about whether to love him or not. So why doesn't he? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin Anthoney kax@cs.nott.ac.uk Don't believe anything you read in .sig files.",alt.atheism 3379,"Thanks for all the responses. I've made contact with the UK distributor :-) ",comp.windows.x 3380,"In light of the last letter I posted from Jeff Brody concering the crap that is going on in the MOA, (which some folks took not as dissemination of information that I received, but as my own bad mouthing) I thought that I would post this one, which came to me yesterday. This is from board member Robert Higdon to MOA Pres Chich Morse. This is NOT my words, O.K. guys? April 4, 1993 re: Cecil King's Nominating Statement Dear Chick: We have a very serious problem with the election for president of the MOA this year. Cecil King's nominating statement (as it appeared in the Owners News) is 968 words, nearly twice as many as that is permitted by the by-laws. In pertinent part, the rules state: ""Each candidate's biography and position statement shall be limited to a combined total of no more than 500 words. The nominating committe shall cut afafter the 500th word any biography and position statement exceeding this length. Obviously the nominationg committe was not up to the task. Had Cecil's statement been cut as required, it would have concluded approximately with the word ""undertiding"" [sic] in the second paragraph after the commencement of his Position Statement. As a result, Cecil has obtained what I view as a grossly unfair advantage over the other candidates for president. This does not just taint the election for that office; it makes a mockery of the process. I would appreciate your advising the board immediately what steps you intend to take to rectify this caricature of a fair election. Parenthetically, in your private correspondence with others, I would be most appreciative that when tou call me an ""asshole"" you remind the letter's recipient that the re-publication of such a comment is almost guaranteed to have woeful consequences. With kind regards, I remain, Robert Higdon",rec.motorcycles 3381,"You CAN print to a file from an HP (or any other printer). Just go into the Printers section of your Control Panel. Select the printer you want to re-direct to a file, and click on Connect. Then choose :FILE as the port to connect the printer to. When you print from any application to that printer, Windows will prompt you for a file name for the file into which you want to capture the printout. It's pretty easy. Good luck! ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3382," The private insurance industry skims the cream off the milk...simple.",talk.politics.misc 3383," Could you speak up? I can't hear you.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------",None 3384," That's a good way to put it. It's a quiet confidence. I don't feel like I have to defend this team anymore. The Devils are a puzzle to me. They have long been one of the few teams I always dreaded playing. Their D isn't quite what it used to be but they still usually play us pretty tough. I just can't figure it out. At least last night they mounted an attack. Bernie Nichols was interviewed after Game 2 on the late news. He was shaking his head in disbelief over Barrasso, saying that Tommy is like another defenseman out there and how difficult it is playing against him. Then he got this far-away look on his face, his voice started trailing off and he said, ""It just isn't right...it just isn't fair..."" and he tried to muster a smile. As far as coaching goes, a Pens/Islanders match-up should be pretty good. One guy I feel sorry for in all of this so far is Chris Terreri. I'm sure Tom Barrasso knows how he feels. For so long Tommy would look up and not have a teammate in sight. Terreri's teammates really left him out in the cold in the first two games.",rec.sport.hockey 3385," This is not correct. The event horizon is not the ""center"" of the black hole but merely the distance at which the escape velocity is equal to the speed of light. That is, the event horizon is a finite radius...",talk.religion.misc 3386,"Well, renaming screensavers (.scr) to .exe, and running them, as has been pposted, (I haven't tried changing win.ini , but should have same effect) shows me the ""setup"" dialog. box, butdoesn't enable the saver.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3387,"I know there's been a lot of talk about Jack Morris' horrible start, but what about Dennis Martinez. Last I checked he's 0-3 with 6+ ERA. Is the ageless wonder finally showing his age? Does he usually start off the season so slowly? I know he plans to start tonight. I hope he comes around.... I would appreciate any feedback concerning outlook on rest of Dennis Martinez's season... Thanks in advance,",rec.sport.baseball 3388,"I need triangulized data of some nice looking model with some texture mapping. It would be better if the parametric values of each vertex( for the surface before triangulized ) are avaliable along with the Euclidean points so that we could use them for texture mapping.",comp.graphics 3389,"I have a Headland Technologies Video Seven VRAMII board that only came with 512K, at the time this was ok but... I need info or help with upgrading this board to 1 Mbyte. There are 2 rows of pins over the VRAM chips, I think for a piggyback board of VRAM. I would like to hear from anyone that may be able to help me upgrade this board. Maybe someone from Headland who maybe read- ing this has one of these piggyback boards just laying around, please please please! Does anyone know of where I could maybe buy the upgrade for this? I would sure love to use this in 800X600-256 color mode but for the time being, I can only get 3/4 of the screen with the bottom part a white strip, obviously because of the missing VRAM, actually I'm surprised it even works to this degree at all!",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3390," Is this reverisible? You can unpoke as easy as you poke? ",None 3391," Well, again, I am doing as much as the poster I was replying too. I am quite busy and really don't have the time to respond in full scholarly form to every accusation that is flippantly made by someone who's being clearly antagonistic. I have considered it. But if someone spreads falsehoods out of ignorance then they are still spreading falsehoods. Those falsehoods generally do not come out of nowhere but are produced by people who know that what they are saying is (at _least_) not the whole truth. I still consider such spreading of falsehoods propaganda on some level. Bob, I never accused you of having your head up your ass! It takes me quite some time in dealing with someone before accusing them of having their head up their ass. I was accusing the original poster (Benedikt, I believe) of being so impaired. Cheers,",alt.atheism 3392," Personal attacks? Deliberate misinterpretation of a persons statement? (By cutting out the part of the statement, he tries to blunt the thrust of the sentence. He never addresses the issue of extreemist peace people not holding true to their ideals.) Ignoring the challenge? (He ignores the challenge that extreemists for peace tend to be quite insistent that everyone accept their ideals for the world, and have even turned quite violent. (Witness, Chicago, summer 1968)). Paranoia? (He assumes that anyone who argues against his viewpoint must ""masturbate over Guns'N'Ammo."") Fire up the Oven, it isn't hot enough! ",alt.atheism 3393,"Computer Equipment Garage Sale: I've finally decided to clean out my closets and get rid of some of the stuff that is broken or not being used by me. I've put together a list and indicated what I think each item is worth. This is just my estimate, and I am very open to any offers, including trades. I'm currently looking for some CD-ROMs that will work with a Mac CD ROM player CD Caddies, HD floppy disks, any used Macintosh software, a 387-33Mhz Co-Processor, or basically anything you have lying around (cans of soup, the neighbor's cat, etc...) Make me an offer, no offer will be overlooked... I really want to get rid of this stuff... Ok, Here's the list: 52 Meg 3.5"" SCSI Hard Drive. Conner Model #CP-3150. I bought this from a guy at a swap meet to use with my Macintosh. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it to work with the SCSI controller in my computer. The guy tested it with his PC, and printed out a copy of the Norton Disk Doctor report which says it has no bad sectors. (I'll send you a copy) I was dumb enough not to get his phone number, so I can't return it to him. The drive has many jumpers on it, (which I don't know how to set) so maybe that's the problem. I was quite disappointed that it didn't work so I'm trying to minimize my losses. ~$45 52 Meg 3.5"" SCSI Hard Drive. Conner Model #CP-3150. Same situation as above. I bought both of these drives from the same guy. Despite the different model numbers they are the same exact drive. Same report from NDD (I have one for each drive) will be included. ~$45 40 Meg SONY 3.5"" SCSI Hard Drive. SONY Model #SRD2040A. The drive mechanism is completely trashed. This hard drive was in my computer (Mac SE) and had a stiction problem. Well, repeated banging on the side of the computer resulted in a head crash (yes, metal scraping metal) which was not too pleasant to listen to. Still the SCSI controller card is in good working order, and can be used for parts, or a project. ~$20 65 Meg Seagate 5.25"" HH SCSI Hard Drive. Model #ST-277N. I originally bought this drive, because it had a small stiction problem, and I though that I could fix it. Well I determined that the drive mechanism was fine, and that it was a controller problem. (motor controller wasn't sending proper signals.) Well, after taking the controller off the drive, looking at it, and putting it back together, I realized that I accidentally severed one of the small flat cables that connect the drive to the controller. I tried to solder it, but I'm not that good at soldering so I couldn't do it. Worked perfectly before I messed up. I used it as a temporary drive when the SONY (above) crashed on me. Also loaded the drive with about twenty Mac applications, worth well over $1000. (Claris CAD, MS Word 5.0, Think C, Excel, and many others) I think all it needs is a resoldering of that cable. You also get all the software on the drive. (if you can accept being a pirate) I only ask that you delete my data files from the drive. I was really angry when I broke that connection, and then couldn't fix it. I just don't have time to play with it any more. ~$65 AT&T ISDN 7500 Modem. This is for use on digital phone systems. If you know what this is or would like technical information on it, let me know. I have some tech documents on it. Is supposed to be the same thing as an AT&T digital phone, but without the phone part. It seems to be in working order (passes self test perfectly OK). I have no idea how this is worth... Let me know if you're interested. Motorola 68881 CoProcessor. I haven't tested this one out yet, but if anyone is interested I will get it tested out, to make sure that it works. I had trouble using it with my accelerator board, but then I spoke to the manufacturer of the board and found out it couldn't be used without another controller chip. When I was looking around to buy one new, the prices were around $100. I will guarantee this to work. ~$65 CGA Card. Half-Length. 8-bit. Wasn't working last time I checked (although I think I was using a bad monitor) ~$5 5.25"" 360K Floppy Drive. IBM Drive Type 1355. Guaranteed to work, because when I took it out of the PC, it was working! ~$25 5.25"" 360K Floppy Drive. Toshiba Model Number ND-08DE-A. Guaranteed to work. Came out of same PC as above. ~$25 5.25"" Floppy Drives. Can't guarantee that these will work. I don't even know if they are low or high density drives. I don't have any method of testing them. Panasonic Model number: JU-455-5 ACG. There's another number on it: 2626-361723. Panasonic Model number: JU-475-2 AGG. There's also another number on it: H3649-101457 Toshiba Model Number ND-08DE. Virtually identical to the one above. Each Drive ~$10 3.5"" PS/2 Drive. These things are proprietary, so I can't test it, but I think it works. Not sure if it's high density or low density, but I suppose someone who is looking for one would know. Model Number DFL413C04A. I think these things are expensive to replace. ~$35 MFM Hard Drive Controller Cards. I've got three of these, and I have no way of testing them. Two of them are 8-bit cards, and one is a sixteen bit card with a floppy controller built in. ~$10 for the 8-bits ~$15 for the 16-bit card w/floppy. Interesting cable. Seems to convert from a VGA plug to an EGA plug. That is, standard nine-pin to VGA 15 pin. Made by Hewlett Packard. Part No. D1181-80020 ~$10 I've sold stuff like this before, and it was a huge success, with many satisfied people trading or bartering stuff they didn't need anymore. I usually ship through the U.S. Postal Service (haven't had any problems yet) and the shipping costs will be split or negotiated. Well, that's all folks. As I said before, no offer will be refused. If you can convince me to give OCit to you instead of throwing it out, TRY! I hate to throw away stuff... -Wayne",misc.forsale 3394,"something that no one has discussed yet (or I missed it): The FBI sets up a wiretap AFTER the court order was handed. Only at this point they can access the line and detect the serial number N. What happens next, does the FBI simply asks for the keys for N, and, since a warrant was issued for the line, the FBI simply gets it? What if multiple phones are used from the same house, the FBI just asks for N1, N2, etc.? Exactly who is to prevent the FBI from claiming some other serial number, X, was also used over the wirtapped line and get the keys for X? Either a second court order (for the specific serial/key) is required (and I have seen no indication of this), or the FBI can effectively ask for any pair of keys at any time, so the escrow key holders are a total fake. An unrelated issue: if and when all phones always use the clipper chip, how are call-transfers going to take place?! ",sci.crypt 3395,"So what's the deal with the PDS slot in the IIsi? I recently purchased a Mac IIsi. I want to add a non-Apple monitor to the system. I was told that you could buy a 90 degree angled PDS to NuBus adaptor card so you can fit a standard NuBus card into the computer. Am I mistaken or do have to buy a PDS monitor card specifically for the IIsi? I've seen the PDS monitor cards for the si, but they seem expensive, and I'm not exactly made of money. Any ideas? Help. Clue me in! -- Randy L. Riegsecker --------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Barney must die."" I need somebody to shove. ---------------------------------------------------------------------",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3396,The tech support line for GCC is 1-800-231-1570.,None 3397,"79 Toyota Corolla 4D hatchback, runs OK, needs dents smoothed, serious brake work and miscellaneous TLC. Excellent auto shop project. $250 OBO. See in Algonquin or Schaumburg. (708) 658-5285, (708) 576-0675, or email.",misc.forsale 3398,"Hello Netter, I want to uprade the power supply of my SE/30 in which a 8 bit color card is installed. I know CRC COMPONENTS, Inc. deals the compatible power supply of SE/30 manifactured by POWER PLUS SYSTEMS. Does anyone know their phone or FAX number of them ? Please reply me by e-mail. Thanks,",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3399,deleted,None 3400," Well, as I remember Jacoby's ""Mythmaker"" talks about this to cite one source -- but I'm not sure if all Christians have read this book. In addition my social experiences is from being raised and educated as a Lutheran, having a lot of Christian friends, and I even have played in two Christian rock bands! So, over to you, do you have any counter claims, sources et rest that shows that Christianity does not have the concept of a social promise that is independent on the social status? Cheers, Kent",alt.atheism 3401,"Hi. I have a friend who is interested in subscribing to this newsgroup. Unfortunatly she does not have usenet access. If someone could send her a faq and info on how to subscribe, we'd be very appreciative If you want to send it to me, you can and I will get it to her. I do not read this newsgroup regularly though so e-mail please. Thank you Jody -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jody Rebecca Colby College Majors: History/Sociology Class o' '94 E-Mail: jrgould@colby.edu samuel@paul.rutgers.edu Fantasy, Music, Colors, and Animals will lead this society out of oppression. ",sci.med 3402," Apparently the instinct to brake in the face of danger isn't as strong as the instinct to freeze up and do nothing in the face of danger. Hurt found that a surprising number of accident-involved motorcyclists hadn't used their brakes at all prior to impact. I think the only way you'll ever use countersteering reliably and correctly in a crisis is to make it the only conscious method of directional control you ever use, and to practice it constantly, even when you have no need to do any turning. If you follow me down a long straight, and I seem to be wiggling back and forth randomly or suddenly without obvious need, it's because I'm practicing countersteering and avoiding imaginary obstacles directly in my path. All of this practice may indeed be futile, but if I have even milliseconds to react, the most *familiar* tactic available (and hopefully the most automatic) will be countersteering. The same logic applies to braking with the front brake, of course.",rec.motorcycles 3403,"Can somebody help me out of this..... I just installed the Version 104 of McAFree anti-virus program and when i tried to scan the entire hard disk, i got the message of ""Sorry, I can't open xxxx"" for a couple of files, including the WScan104.exe. This didn't happen before (in previous version) nor appear on my friend's machine. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3404," Since Facts and Myths doesn't even know where Deir Yassin was, why should we pay any attention to the rest of what it says? This account from Eric Silver is the only valid point that M&F makes. You can find it together with other evidence and analysis in Silver's biography of Begin. Also in Silver's book you will find documentary evidence that nearly everything else in M&F's account is pure bullshit. This is pretty disgusting. The Guardian was told of one or two feeble old men who dressed in women's clothing in a pathetic attempt to escape death. See Silver's book.",talk.politics.mideast 3405,"For Sale: Informix WingZ Graphic Spreadsheet with Hyperscript -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Version 1.1 Runs under Windows Network ready 5.25"" distribution Brand new, Unopened $150 Shipping not included Email queries, responses, flames to:",misc.forsale 3406," What's despicable is that this sordid incident is being glommed onto by all sorts of people desperately trying to ""get a revolution."" It makes ""ambulance chasing"" by lawyers seem like a harmless pastime. For the last few months, benighted souls have been calling C-SPAN on issues as mundane as budget resolutions, saying that ""I don't know, I just have the feeling there is going to be a revolution in this country,"" and so on. Get real! For a real case study in revolution, go to Blockbuster Video and check out ""Underground,"" a film made about the Weather Underground in the 70's. Even with all the strife back then, the ""revolution"" never did come. And Waco is supposed to be the spark of the end times? In the tape, it is interesting to see the way the Weatherpersons dance around the issue of one of their defining moments, which was when a few of their comrades managed to blow themselves up manufacturing bombs in a Greenwich village townhouse. The problem, one of them said, was that they were so caught up in their armed struggle that they *forgot* about their own personal safety and weren't ""careful."" But of course that was *society's* fault, a society that didn't instill a sense of worth in the people, so they neglect their own safety. Current apologists for Koresh may pick up some important rationalization tips from this tape! ",talk.politics.misc 3407,"Interesting point. The Bible doesn't say ""hate the sin"". It tells to avoid sin, resist sin, even, when necessary, denounce sin. But not hate. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< [The following passages all talk about God or people God approves of hating sin or some other action. Ps 119:113 also talks about hating the sinner. I believe there are other passages that would talk about hating someone who is evil, but I didn't turn them up in this search (which was on the word ""hate"" in the KJV, though I've crosschecked each passage in the NRSV). Ps 97:10, 101:3, 105:25, 119:104, 113, 128, 163, , 139:21-22 Prov 6:16, 8:13 Isa 61:8 Amos 5:15 Zec 8:17 Rev 2:6",soc.religion.christian 3408," ""I'm afraid I'm going to have to kill you. Don't worry, though; as a Loving Christian, I guarantee that I will regret the fact that I have to kill you, although I won't regret the actual killing."" False dichotomy. That's because they weren't even attempted. You want to know why it bothers me that thousands of innocent people were maimed or killed by bombing at the end of WW2, when it was far from clear that such bombing was necessary? And why-is-it-that-way? Who set things up to be that way? No, just the ones that have oil. Or the ones that look like they might make a success of Communism. I don't see that getting UN forces to East Timor is any harder than getting them to Iraq. Fine. Write to your Congressman and to President Clinton. China's status as ""Most Favoured Nation"" comes up for renewal in June. Point out that the US shouldn't be offering favourable trading terms to such a despicable regime. I doubt anything will happen. Clinton's keener on trade sanctions against Europe. [ Unbelievable comments about the Rodney King case deleted ] Any idea how many kill files you just ended up in? The ends justify the means, eh? The same tired old misunderstanding. Moral relativism means that there is no *objective* standard of morality. It doesn't mean you can't judge other people's morals. Christ on a bike, how many times have we tried to hammer that into your head? Obviously not, as I am an atheist. I don't think you'd get on with Jesus, though; he was a long-haired lunatic peace-nik, was he not? Right. Unfortunately for you, it turned out that my opinions on the matter were entirely consistent in that I condemned the bombing of Dresden too. I think you're being a bit glib with your explanation of the blanket bombing policy, too. You make it sound as though we were aiming for military targets and could only get them by destroying civilian buildings next door. As I understand it, that is not the case; we aimed deliberately at civilian targets in order to cause massive damage and inspire terror amongst the German people. Oh, come on. With wars like the Falklands fresh in people's minds, that sort of propaganda isn't going to fool anyone. Yes? And what about the millions of casualties the Russians suffered? It's hardly surprising the US didn't lose many men in WW2, given that you turned up late. ",alt.atheism 3409," Note that the filesize .dll is a part of the Windows Resource Kit. If you install it (and you can download it from Cica), it will make the appropriate changes itself. kartik ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3410,"From article , by creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps): Just a little issue of semantics: Would it not be better, then to call it ""pre-determination""?! -- RRRRR OO BBBBB : R R OO OO B B : R R OO OO B BB : Robert Pomeroy R RR O O B B : RRRR O O BBBBB : u2i02@keele.ac.uk R R O O B B : R R OO OO B BB : 1993 R R OO OO B B : R R OO BBBBB : My address } during } Hawthorns Hall, KEELE, Staffordshire, ST5 5AE. England. term-time. } ",soc.religion.christian 3411," I DID NOT WRITE THAT! In fact, those statements were a rebuttal to an earlier posting that I made, and this was culled from my *strong* rebuttal to those statements. PLEASE! Slander. Shame. ""after the game, it's no big deal"" ???? After the employees leave the workplace, it doesn't matter what they say about the boss or the company? Puhlease. First, it's Ross Porter. Second, I am really tired of seeing the kind of response that indicates that all I do is parrot what some media person says or writes. I have a brain. If I choose to characterize something in a certain fashion, it's because that is what I believe to be accurate. It is not just because some unnamed ""mediot"" made the characterization. I did *not* brand Darryl's response as petulant, because I never heard any response from Darryl. I did call him a name. I referred to him as a primadonna. Someone else concluded that I did that because I ""hate"" him. I don't hate him. I think he's a primadonna. If you disagree, fine. But stop putting words in my mouth. -- The Beastmaster ",rec.sport.baseball 3412," Not in isolated ground recepticles (usually an unusual color, such as orange or yellow) often used in low noise, low leakage applications, as mentioned earlier in the thread.",sci.electronics 3413," My Nissan Quest has been doing 20mpg city, though its first few tanks were more like 17mpg. The V6 and AT are remarkably smooth. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Johnny P. Stephens | Sig file upgrade on backorder. Will be Distance Learning Technology | here ""any day now."" Arizona State University | Opinions expressed are mine.",rec.autos 3414,"RAPTURE - OCTOBER 28, 1992 WHAT TO DO IN CASE YOU MISS THE RAPTURE I. STAY CALM AND DO NOT PANIC Your natural reaction once you realize what has just occurred is to panic. But to do so is absolutely useless now. If you had wanted to get right with God before the rapture, you could have, but you chose to wait. Now your only chance is to stay on this earth and to endure to the end of the Tribulation. ""But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."" - Matthew 24:13 II. REALIZE YOU ARE NOW LIVING DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION The Great Tribulation is a seven year period starting from the time of the rapture until Christ's second coming. Also know as ""the time of Jacob's (Israel's) trouble"" (Jere 30:7) and ""Daniel's Seventieth Week"" (Dan 9), this period will be unparalleled in trouble and horror. III. GATHER AS MANY BIBLES AS YOU CAN AND HIDE THEM Soon after the Antichrist becomes the leader of the European Community (the revived Roman Empire), Bibles will be confiscated and owning a Bible will be tantamount to treason. The Bible, however, will be your most valuable possession during the Tribulation. IV. READ THE BIBLE LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER READ IT BEFORE IN YOUR LIFE Since all of your Bibles may be confiscated, even if you are careful, it is imperative that you read the Word until you memorize whole passages and can quote them. It is especially important to read Daniel, Luke 21, Matthew 24, Revelation, and Amos, for these books describe the events you can expect to unfold before you. V. PRAY LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER PRAYED BEFORE IN YOUR LIFE Pray until the power of God comes strongly upon you - pray and pray and pray. Only by reading the Word and praying will you gain the spiritual strength to be able to withstand the torture you may have to endure for the sake of Christ. VI. DO NOT TAKE THE MARK AT ANY COST - EVEN IN FIT MEANS YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES DIE AS MARTYRS After the Antichrist becomes the leader of the European Community, he will institute a world economic system, designed so that you cannot buy, sell, or eat unless you take his mark or the number of his name. Money will be useless. ""And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666"" - Revelation 13:16-18. The Antichrist will implement the greatest slaughter in all of humanity. Think of the various ways people have been tortured and killed in the past, such as the Holocaust. [or maybe the crusades? -M] You cannot even imagine the horror that will take place under the Antichrist's rule; it will be much worse than anything in history (Matt 24:21) ""...I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And a white robe was given to each of them: and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of the fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed."" Revelation 6:9, 11. His targets will be Jews and Christians who do not worship his image or take the mark on their forehead or right hadn/ ""...And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on the hands."" - Revelation 20:4. He will use every form of torture and humiliation in order to force you to renounce Christ. Nor will he hesitate to use your loved ones against you, even your children, torturing and killing them in front of you so that you will be tempted to take the mark. If you take the mark or worship the Antichrist or his image, however, you will be consigned to the second death, which is the Lake of Fire. [Sung about so eloquently by Johnny Cash...-M] You cannot be redeemed. It is better to endure torture for a short while and gain eternal life then [sic] to endure eternal torment in the Ring^H^H^H^H Lake of Fire. ""...If anyone worships the Beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. An [sic] he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb."" -Revelation 14:9-10 [and probably in the presence of season-ticket holders; special hats given to the first 5,000 at the stadium --M] VII. SET A PLAN IN MOTION FOR SURVIVAL Although you may not be able to hide from the Antichrist's government until the end of the Tribulation, all of the time you gain in hiding is important for your spiritual growth and strengthening, since only those who are extremely strong in Christ can suffer and die for His sake. The first thing to do is move out of the city and into a rural or mountainous area, for the Antichrist's control will come last to the least populated areas. Take a good radio or TV with you so that you can stay attuned to events and discern the time schedule of the Tribulation. [""As you can see on the weather map, heavy currents of Tribulation will sweep into our area by daybreak. Expect delays on I-95 outbound, and perhaps school closings"" --M] Store water and food, because you will not be able to purchase anything without the mark. Water in lakes and streams will be polluted by radioactive waste from nuclear warfare and will eventually turn into blood. [Get a good water filter. --M] Bring different types of clothing for all seasons, as well as flashlights, batteries, generators, and First Aid supplies. In short, learn how to survive and live off the land as the pioneers did. VIII. TRUST NO ONE There will be secret agents everywhere, spying for the Antichrist's government. Be on the lookout. [Perot supporters take note --M] IX. WATCH FOR THE ANTICHRIST It is important to realize who the Antichrist is and what he is up to, for he will deceive many into thinking that he is a great world leader who will bring peace and prosperity to a world hungry for it. We can infer from Daniel 11 certain characteristics of this man. Popular during the first three and a half years of the Tribulation, he will dominate the airwaves. He will be physically appealing, highly intelligent, with Christ-like charisma and personality. An international politician, military tactician and economic expert, his word will be peace; he will make a treaty with the Jews, which he will break after three and a half years. He will have such supernatural power that a mortal wound to his head will be healed. Even the very elect will be deceived. If you do not pray and read the Bible, you too will be deceived. [Dominate the airwaves? Perhaps Howard Stern or Rush Limbaugh...-M] The antichrist will have a companion, the False Prohphet [sic], who will make an image in the likeness of the Antichrist and cause it to speak. All who refuse to worhsip [sic] the image will be killed. The final three and a half years will be absolutely insane, with demonized spirits everywhere. X. DO NOT GIVE UP HOPE! The seven years of Tribulation will end with the triumphant return of Christ. The Antichrist will be defeated. Be steadfast and endure, and you will be rewarded greatly in Heaven. Start reading the Bible and praying fervently now. The salvation of your sould depends upon it. Determine that, come what may, you will not take the mark or worship the Antichrist. You still have a chance to be saved or remain saved, but this time you will have to be ""faithful unto death."" May God find you ready in the hour of his glorious return! ****************************************************************************** Mike Cluff * ""Christianity is Stupid. v22964qs@ubvms or mike%luick@ubvms * Give up."" -Negativland UB Language Perception Laboratory * ****************************************************************************** /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea.",alt.atheism 3415," You don't give the precise error message, but I assume that the making of the target fails, because make can't find the rules. We've seen this happen with SunOS 5.x make as well and aat this point I'm not sure why it happens. It seems to happen with large Makefiles. The entries near the end get lost. Small changes in the makefile will remedy this problem, as it does in your example. In the MIT R5 distribution + R5.SunOS5.patch this can happen with the target ``Makefiles'' in one of the doc directories. This is really weird. Are your *really* sure that you were using GNU make?",comp.windows.x 3416," Please explain the why of this. I have over 200k miles usage of clutchless shift and no problems.",rec.autos 3417,"We are doing a research about a passive dynamic vision guided vehicle. Completed the first theoric part, we have to make the effective realization of this vehicle. We need the necessary hardware for image acquisition from a videocamera and for their subsequent elaboration (tipically: edge detection). We ask for informations about available products in the market for this purpose (in real time, 20-25 frames/second). Hence we need frame-grabber cards and/or DSP cards for SUN or PC platform. We are also very interested in receiving comments and suggestions from users of these cards, especially about programming tools. Furthermore we are looking for the same kind of informations about digital controlled Pan&Tilt devices. Thanks in advance Best regards Enrico Fedrigo",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3418,"Hi. I would like to know if there is a seperate newgroup for discussion of MS Test or Quality Assurance issues. Or, if not, what newsgroup would be the appropriate one to use. Does compuserve or microsoft themselves have a bbs people can call for help on such? Thanks. Please email response to djw@wang.com D ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3419,"Because of the technology apple uses with their 800k disks, IBM PC cant read them without special hardware, 1.44M disks work more alike IBM's so we only can read 1.44 M disks on a PC /andy ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3420,"WOULD WIRETAP CHIP BE COST-EFFECTIVE? by Robin Hanson Draft, April 21, 1993 SUMMARY: Compared to an average monthly phone bill of sixty dollars, wiretaps are only worth two cents a month to police. So the proposed wiretap chip must raise phone costs by less than one part in three thousand to be cost-effective. BACKGROUND Until now, phones have happened to allow the existence of ""wiretaps"", detectors which could pick up conversations on a phone line. And over time, law enforcement agencies have come to rely on this capability to aid in criminal investigations. However, powerful new encryption technologies threaten this status quo, by making possible truly private communication. A small chip in each phone could soon make it literally impossible to overhear a conversation without physical microphones at either end. In order to preserve the ability of law enforcement agencies to tap phone conversations, the U.S. government announced on April 16, 1993 that it had developed and begun manufacturing a special ""wiretap"" chip to be placed in future phones, instead of the total privacy chips which have been under private development. The same day, AT&T announced it would use these chips ""in all its secure telephone products"". Each chip would be created under government supervision, when it would be given a fixed indentifier and encryption key. Periodically during each conversation, the chip would broadcast its identifier and other info in a special ""law enforcement block"". Law enforcement officers with a court order could then obtain the key corresponding to the indentifier from special trust agencies, and could thereby listen in on any future or previously recorded conversations on that phone. To date, most concerns voiced about this plan have been about its security. The government won't disclose the encryption algorithm, and many suspect the government will not limit its access in the way it has claimed. The track record of previous governments does not inspire confidence on this point [1]. However, this paper will neglect these concerns, and ask instead whether this new wiretap chip is a cost-effective tool for police investigation. That is, which is a cheaper way for society to investigate crime: force phone communications to support wiretaps, or give police agencies more money to investigate crimes in other ways? Or to put it another way, would police agencies be willing to pay for each wiretap, if they had to pay their share of the full social cost of forcing phones to support wiretaps? To start to answer this question, we might compare the current benefits wiretaps provide to law enforcement agencies with projected costs of implementing the new wiretap chip plan. And since current benefits are easier to estimate, we begin there. WIRETAP BENEFITS 1990 is the latest year for which wiretap statistics are available [2]. In that year, 872 wiretap installations were requested, and no requests were denied. (This figure does not include wiretaps obtained with the consent of a party to the conversation.) 2057 arrests resulted from wiretaps started the same year, 1486 arrests came from wiretaps in previous years, and 55% of arrests led to convictions. 76% of the wiretaps were for phones (vs pagers, email, etc.), 60% were regarding drug offenses, and 40% were requested by federal authorities. Each wiretap installation heard an average of 1487 calls, 22% of them incriminating, among 131 people, and cost an average of $45,125 (extrapolating from the 794 installations reporting costs), mostly for labor. Thus a total of about $40 Million was spent on wiretaps, to obtain about 4000 arrests, at $10,000 per arrest. Thus these arrests are at least four times more expensive than the $2500 per arrest figure one gets by dividing the $28 Billion spent by all police nationally by the total 11 Million non-traffic arrests [3]. Thus the $30 Million per year spent on phone taps is only one thousanth of the total police expenditures. And if we divide this by the 138 Million phone ""access"" lines in the country [3], we get about 23 cents spent per year per phone line, or about two cents a month. In general, we deter a given class of criminals through a combination of a perceived probability of being caught and convicted, and some expected punishment level if convicted. So the social value of having wiretaps is no more than the amount that we would have to pay to get the same criminal deterrence through other means. If unable to wiretap a particular suspect's phone, police might instead use hidden microphones, or investigate that suspect in other ways. Or police might focus on suspects more easily investigated without wiretaps. Or we might raise the fine or prison time for certain types of crime. If we generously assume that these substitutes for wiretaps would be on average twice as expensive as wiretaps, then the annual social benefit of phone wiretaps is about equal to the current spending level of two cents a month per phone line. WIRETAP COSTS Let us for the moment optimistically assume that the US government encryption scheme is as secure as whatever private enterprise would have offered instead, protecting our conversations from the spying ears of neighbors, corporations, and governments, both foreign and domestic. Even so, the need to support wiretaps would add many additional costs to build and maintain our communication system. Extra law enforcement blocks would be added to phone transmissions, increasing traffic by some unknown percentage. A special process must be used to add encryption keys to chips, while securely distributing these keys to special agencies, which must be funded and monitored. The chips themselves are designed by a military contractor, whose design is to remain secret, and are manufactured through a special process so that the chip becomes nearly impossible to take apart. (Chips are now offered at the relatively high price of $30 a peice in lots of 10,000 [4].) Private encryption systems not supporting wiretaps would require none of these extra costs. Perhaps most important, government degree would at least partially replace private marketplace evolution of standards for how voice is to be represented, encrypted, and exchanged in our future phones. It is widely believed that governments are less efficient than private enterprise in procuring products and standards, though they may perhaps perform a useful brokering role when we choose between competing private standards. How much less efficient is a matter of debate, some say they pay twice as much, while others might say only 10% more. Currently, a total of $96 Billion is spent as operating expenses of U.S. phone companies [3], which comes out to about $60 per month per access line. If we compare this to the wiretap value of two cents per month, we see that if wiretaps raise average operating costs by even as much as one part in 3000, then wiretaps are not cost effective! And this doesn't even include extra costs phone owners pay because their encryption chips are more expensive. Of course most phones wouldn't have encryption chips for a while, but the wiretap benefit per phone is still the same, so this argument still applies. CONCLUSION Given this dramatic difference between the total cost of running the phone system and the value of wiretaps, we can justify only the slightest modification of the phone system to accommodate wiretaps. When the only modification required was to allow investigators in to attach clips to phone wires, wiretap support may have been reasonable. But when we consider substantial modification, the burden of proof is clearly on those proposing such modification to show that the costs would really be less than the benefits. If consensus cannot be obtain on this cost/benefit estimate, a compromise might be to tax phones which do not support wiretaps at a rate of say five cents per month, a tax payable to police agencies nationwide to compensate them for their loss of wiretap abilities. [1] The Invisible Weapon, Oxford Press, ISBN 0-19-506273-6 [2] Report on Applications for Orders Authorizing or Approving the Interception of Wire, Oral, or Electronic Communications, 1990, Administrative Office of U.S. Courts, Washington, DC 20544. [3] U.S. Statistical Abstracts, 1992. [4] Dorothy Denning, ""The Clipper Chip: A Technical Summary"", distributed to sci.crypt newsgroup April 21, 1993. ",sci.crypt 3421," Otherwise you get NO2 out the back.",None 3422,"genealogical old Well, since my wife is (in your gentle term) a ""bastard"", I can probably speak with a bit of authority on this. Any ""stigma"" associated with children conceived and/or born out of wedlock rests solely upon the parents--they've committed a sexual transgression for which they should repent. The child itself has no a priori limitations on him or her; indeed, the concept of blaming the child for the parents' sins is one most Mormons would find appalling; note that LDS theology rejects original sin, as the term is usually defined, and the subsequent need for infant baptism (cf. Moroni 8 in the Book of Mormon). Indeed, LDS doctrine goes one step further and in some cases holds parents responsible for their children's sins if they have failed to bring them up properly (cf. D&C 68:25-28; note that this passage applies it only to members of the LDS Church). Also note that there is no ""big genealogical book in Salt Lake City"". The LDS Church has a massive storage facility in the nearby mountains containing (on microfilm) vital statistic records (birth, christening, baptism, marriage, death) gathered from all over the entire world. I may be misremembering, but I believe they have records for some 2 billion people in that vault. At the same time, the LDS Church is building up an on-line genealogical database. In neither case is there some kind of ""worthiness screening"" as to whether someone can be entered in. The only potential issue is that of establishing who the parents were, and that would apply only in the case of the database. ..bruce.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce F. Webster | I love the Constitution of this land, CTO, Pages Software Inc | but I hate the damned rascals that bwebster@pages.com | administer it. #import | -- attributed to Brigham Young ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [The following arrived as a separate posting --clh] A follow-up to my own follow-up--lest anyone misunderstand, the term ""bastard"" is one which I have never in 25 years of LDS Church membership heard applied, formally or informally, to a child born out of wedlock, and indeed would (rightly) be considered a vulgar, offensive term. I would not have echoed the expression in my reply, except in hopes that the poster would recognize the offensive nature of the word in the given context. Unfortunately, after posting my reply, I remembered that subtle points are often lost on the 'net, and figured I'd better spell it out. ..bruce..",soc.religion.christian 3423," To avoid paperwork associated with re-certification as a brand new car, etc. So for ad purposes it's a brand new nameplate, for paperwork it's still a Stanza. Spiros ",rec.autos 3424," Lori, the regular Penguins poster here on rec.sport.hockey, indicated to me via e-mail that on the nights that Pirates baseball and Penguins playoff games coincide, the Pens will be covered on WDVE FM (102.5).",rec.sport.hockey 3425," a yes, but the improvement in boost orbit to the HST is Significant, and that means you can then carry EDO packs and enough consumables so the SHuttle mission can go on long enough to also fix the array tilt motors, and god knows what else is going to wear out on the HST in the next 9 months.",sci.space 3426," Make sure that the hard disk you want to boot from is set as active (using the FDISK program that comes with DOS). ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3427,I suggest another name change:,None 3428," Neigh on every day. Most don't notice. What do I win? ",None 3429," Just out of curiosity, what else was there to do in this situation? Wait another 51 days/weeks/months/years??? Was there anything indicating that these children and the other people were going to get out alive? ",talk.politics.misc 3430," Oh yes, the good ol' deutsche Bundespost. Shortly after moving to Germany, someone told me that ""POST"" is an acronym for the ""Public Organization for the Suppression of Technology"". Stimmt, oder? I miss a lot of things about Germany (yes, including the Bier vending machines at work that were SUBSIDIZED by the firm), but the phone system is not one of them.",sci.electronics 3431," Well, apparently we have another son of Dro 'the Butcher' to contend with. You should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on distortions propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel that you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact. I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line, lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is nothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in x-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship, that employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel free to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists, the Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian criminal organizations. x-Soviet Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and those like you, will not get away with the genocide's cover-up. During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, the Armenians through a premeditated and systematic genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year homeland. The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian, Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche, Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa, Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many others. J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University. Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History, Princeton University. Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago. Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark. Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research Institute, University of Pennsylvania. Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies, University of Illinois. Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut. Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political Science, City University Graduate School, New York. John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History, University of Chicago. John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of California at Berkeley. Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University. Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University. Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University. Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts. Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota. Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville. Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon). Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky. Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland. James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan. .......so the list goes on and on and on..... Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 3432,"I am both new to this news group and to the net. I am facinated by the things I have heard about the PGP encryption program. Does anybody out there know where I might get a version of this program that runs under Windows 3.1, MS-Dos, Unix w/source? As of this writting I have no UNIX access and am running on a nifty windows implamentation of uucico. Thanks in advance! ",sci.crypt 3433,"Does anyone have recommendations on whether a smart data I/O (print spooler, digital sampling, etc.) would be better implemented with a DMA chip or a dedicated microcontroller? Essentially what I am trying to decide is the best way to handle moving data from a port with automatic handshaking from or to a memory area that will be accessible by a main system processor when not in use by the smart data I/O. Which DMA or microcontroller chip would be best to use? Fast, cheap, and easy to obtain would be nice, but I won't limit my choices to only those that fit those characteristics. Even an 8086/8088 (under $5) would do what I want, but I am sure there is a better alternative -- like a microcontroller with onchip (E)EPROM. So I essentially want to hear about all DMA and microcontrollers that are simple to interface and will move data from one place to another while monitoring a few I/O lines.",sci.electronics 3434,"GK>I hear that tires for this car can get really expensive. I GK>currently have Goodyear GT+4s that cost the previous owner $500 GK>for four. Try Eagle GAs, wear better, cost less, lose little handling, and are quieter. I'm going to switch to 225s in my next set, with new rims (Fitti Twists) if I can afford 'em by the time my GAs wear out. GK>is a whole new ritual for me with that fangled pedal! Also, I began GK>to wonder how strong that brake really is. (Today, I backed out of GK>parking spot today and started to drive away before I noticed GK>the glowing brake light. Oops.) Mine is strong enough to not let the car move when it's in, even if you're giving it enough gas to normally move it in 1st. You might need a brake adjustment. GK>The driver's power window creaks when closed all the way. The same GK>thing happens in my parents 1989 Mercury Sable. Oddly, all the GK>other windows work smoothly. Watch it closely, the glass actually flexes from the torque in the motor, it seems stronger in the drivers window then the others. GK>I'm liking the interior amenities more and more each day. The GK>cupholders are great. I've found the location (under the armrest in between the seats) to be a pain, but like having them. They moved it into the dash (pop out) in the '91 model year, MUCH better. GK>I really feel like I don't deserve this car. I really can't GK>believe that I could afford it. I got this car ten years GK>ahead of schedule. :-) I did the same thing. Got a black '89 with 65.5k miles on it for $8k in July '92. GK>I've put together the responses to my questions about the cars, as GK>well as other posts with useful information on these cars. I'll be GK>posting this in the form of a FAQ soon. Grabbed it and archived it. Thanks! GK>If anyone is interested in starting a mailing list, please speak up! GK>I don't know if I have the resources here at Purdue to start one, but GK>maybe someone out there does. I'll be starting one this summer, one way or the other (current software I use dosen't support mailing lists, but is on the RSN list - if not, I'm going to upgrade to another package that DOES have it), that is, if nobody else beats me to it. Will make an announcement here when it goes up. ",rec.autos 3435," It has been done, but the other companies don't have the marketing budgets that MS do. 4DOS, for instance, is everything that COMMAND.COM should have been (but never could be under MS). Those who use it usually find it more addictive than crack cocaine. But they have to rely on word of mouth for sales. It seems to have worked pretty good so far, but your corporate weenie manager type usually likes to see a big glossy ad in PC Magazine. That's okay, marketing isn't a fundamental human right, but they've got a product that's superior to the DOS command interpreter in every way. They have a lot more to be proud of than MS does. If MS really gave a damn, they could duplicate it, buy it outright (they've got the money), or even use the old ruse of sending engineers out to help them with compatability issues and absconding with the technology. DOS is a mediocre product at a cheap price backed up by top notch marketing and vendor agreements. The ""mediocre"" was excusable in the early days when it was someone else's hack, but they've had ten years to play with it. An interesting thought on that: Most MS products that I'm aware of in the last few years allow you to access the names of the designers and programmers through easter egg screens, including Windows, or at least have the names buried in the files. Is there such a thing in DOS 5.0 and 6.0, or are they too ashamed to have their names on it?",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3436,"Does anyone know where I can access an online copy of the proposed ""jobs"" or ""stimulus"" legislation? Please E-mail me directly and if anyone else is interested, I can post this information. Thanks, Mike Brooks NOTE: My E-mail address in the news header is NOT correct. My correct address is:",talk.politics.misc 3437," There are people who have adapted to high altitudes in the Andes and in Tibet. I suspect that it took them several generations to make the adaptation because Europeans had difficulty making the adaptation. They had to send the women to a lower altitude when they were pregnant in order to insure sucessful childbirth. Another factor you should consider is the X-ray opacity of the atmosphere in case of stellar flares, the uv opacity is also important because uv radiation can kill or damage microbes, plants, and animals. ",sci.space 3438,"I sent a 2400 baud modem to a cousin in Greece from the U.S. and it is working fine for him. It also worked for me in U.S. -Jim. ",sci.electronics 3439,"The temp on my 486DX2/66 is over 96C (measured with a K-type thermocouple and Fluke 55 dig thermometer). This is an ""idle"" temp - not doing lots of bus i/o, not doing floating point, not doing 32-bit protected mode etc. This is in a Micron computer, without heatsink. I recently put a heatsink/fan on the chip, but I might take the fan off. It makes a horrible whine at times, and I wonder what the vibration is doing to the pins on the cpu etc... ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3440,": One not-so-quick question to throw out there for you guys... : For our class project, we need to design and build a power supply : to the following specs: : Voltatge: adjustable from 1-12V : Current: *limited* at 1A : Voltage must stay within 2% of designated value for I from 0-1A : AC ripple less than 5 mV (rms) To decide which kind of circuit you must know the initialprecission of the limiter-current and the allowed temp-drift. In the first case, you can use a Ube of a transistor as a voltage-reference of about 0.7 VDC with a temp-drift of 2mV/K. In the second case its better you use a bandgap-ref and a opamp-circuit to detect the maximum-current. The output of this opamp controlls the outputstage to limit the current.",sci.electronics 3441,"In <1qvh8tINNsg6@citation.ksu.ksu.edu> yohan@citation.ksu.ksu.edu (Jonathan W This doesn't seem right. If I want to kill you, I can because that is what I decide? Not really. If whatever a particular society mandates as ok is ok, there are always some in the ""society"" who disagree with the mandates, so which societal mandates make the standard for morality? >> So what should be the basis? Unfortunately I have to admit to being tied at least loosely to the ""feeling"", in that I think we intuitively know some things to be wrong. Awfully hard to defend, though. I might agree here. Just because certain actions are legal does not make them ""moral"". deficits. -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu",alt.atheism 3442,"CAD Setup For Sale: G486PLB Local Bus Motherboard Can use up to 32MB of SIMMS (256k/1M/4M) 9 expansion slots (8 16-bit slots, 1 32-bit slot) Weitek 4167 co-processor socket 33 Mhz Intel CPU 33 Mhz Weitek 4167 Math Co-processor G-Host4000 Local Bus ET4000 Video Card Based on Tseng Labs' ET4000 chip design Supports resolutions up to 1280x1024 interlaced or non-interlaced Uses RAMDAC to allow up to 32k colors in 800x600, 65k colors in 640x480 Register level compatible with CGA, EGA, VGA, MDA Software drivers available for 1-2-3, Symphony, Autocad, Autoshade, Windows, Wordperfect, VESA and 8514/A Emulation also contained on the card: Local Bus IDE controller Floppy Disk controller Two fully configuarable serial ports 1 Parallel port 1 Game port I used this setup to run AutoCad and 3D Studio. The combination of Local Bus and the Weitek co-processor made for VERY fast CAD and modeling work. The Weitek coprocessor can cut 3D Studio render times in half and sometimes more. It also increases redraws and regens when modeling in both 3D Studio and Autocad. Everything is less than a year old. I am asking $950.00 + shipping for the whole package. Please respond via email. Thanks.",misc.forsale 3443," I highly recommend Starnet's Micro-X. They have versions for DOS and Windows, with support for PC/TCP, or the Clarkson packet drivers. I have used it successfully with twm, mwm, and olwm, over both ethernet and SLIP. And their tech support is top notch. They really impressed me. Kevin",comp.windows.x 3444,"--- other stuff delete... If you happen to be running the new msdos 6, you could use multi- setup to provide a menu with a menu choice for each person using the machine ... power up, select your name, the menu will use your personal sections of config.sys and autoexec.bat thus setting up the path, then running your windows copy! Ron ------------ Temp at Intel, views are my own ----------------------- ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3445,"#|> #|> #And in that area, what you care about is whether someone is sceptical, #|> #critical and autonomous on the one hand, or gullible, excitable and #|> #easily led on the other. #|> #|> Indeed I may. And one may be an atheist and also be gullible, excitable #|> and easily led. #|> #|> #I would say that a tendency to worship tyrants and ideologies indicates #|> #that a person is easily led. Whether they have a worship or belief #|> #in a supernatural hero rather than an earthly one seems to me to be #|> #beside the point. #|> #|> Sure. But whether or not they are atheists is what we are discussing, #|> not whether they are easily led. # #Not if you show that these hypothetical atheists are gullible, excitable #and easily led from some concrete cause. In that case we would also #have to discuss if that concrete cause, rather than atheism, was the #factor that caused their subsequent behaviour. I'm not arguing that atheism causes such behaviour - merely that it is not relevant to the definition of atheism, which is 'lack of belief in gods'. ",alt.atheism 3446,"Please reply to the seller below. 210M Formatted SCSI Hard Disk 3.5"" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Rodime 3259TS (3 available) New Drives, Unused Capacity, formatted Mbytes: 210.0 Number of data heads: 5 Number of cylinders: 1,235 Track density, tpi: 1700 Positioning times - Track-to-track 5ms Average 18ms Full Stroke (Max) 20ms Rotational speed, RPM: 3600 Avg. rotational latency: 8.33ms SCSI Bus transfer rate: 4M/sec Cache: 48K Guaranteed against DOA Works with Sun, PC, Mac, & misc. other workstations These are internal drives No external drive enclosure is included Price: $225 each, including COD insured shipping within the continental U.S. Please email responses to:",misc.forsale 3447,"[This is a response to a request for a Biblical reference about Satan being a fallen angel. --clh] Isaiah 14:12",soc.religion.christian 3448," Are you for real? People dumb enough to give their money and possessions to a guy who says he's jesus deserve all they get Anyway, he killed a few feds He's not the goddam hero here He's dead an' i'm happy!!!!! ",talk.politics.guns 3449," Funny, the medical examiner today stated that there was no evidence ONE WAY or ANOTHER that there were bullet wounds -- not a single autopsy has been performed, so all reports are deemed speculative. INCLUDING reports that there were NO bullet wounds. Before long, I think all the kneejerk conspiracy theorists are going to start getting pretty pissed off at how easily they mislead themselves. Also, pretty disappointed at being ignored by the coutnry. ",talk.politics.guns 3450," No, it appears he didn't. Well, I think he's on to something here. I mean the post he responded to (not) did pretty much speak for itself. ",talk.politics.guns 3451," Marhaba Nabil, If we posit two minds in Christ, the mind of the logos and the mind of the human Jesus, then we must admit two wills. A mind is not a mind without a will. I know this has been dealt with in past Church prnouncements, but there is a philosophical problem here that should examined. T. V. Morris argued that the Incarnation can be seen like this: _____________ (Mind of Logos) ( _______ ) ( ( ) ) Here, the mind of Jesus is circumsribed by God the ( ( Human ) ) Son. God the Son has complete access to the human ( ( Mind ) ) mind but the human mind only has access to the mind ( ( ) ) of God the Son when the Son allows access. This ( (_______) ) explains why Jesus said even he did not know the (_____________) time of the kingdom. The human will acted in accordance with the divine will according to free human decision. But if the human will would have decided differently than what was intended the divine will would have interceded, but this was never the case. He employs some very interesting analogies to support the one person/two mind theory. The ideas of a completely healthy version of split personality from the field of psychology, and the intriguing ideas of being in a dream, seeing yourself acting, knowing that is you, but also being omniscient. The one hypostasis would be the unity of the two minds. Agreed. But I am still waiting for Morris and others to respond to the lingering problem of two minds making two persons. Christian analytic philosophers are breaking new ground in explicating the rationality of Theism and the Incarnation. ==================================== Ted Kalivoda (tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu) University of Georgia, Athens Institute of Higher Ed. ",soc.religion.christian 3452,"Well, I got the scores for Sat's games... AHL PLAYOFF SCORES-- FIRST ROUND (home team in CAPS) ================================ GAMES PLAYED ON SAT, 4/24 ------------------------- BALTIMORE 3 Binghamton 1 ROCHESTER 3 Utica 2 SPRINGFIELD 4 Providence 3 =================================================================== SERIES STATI (plural of status? :) ---------------------------------- Adirondack defeated CDI, 4-0 Springfield defeated Providence, 4-2 Binghamton tied w/Baltimore, 2-2 Rochester defeated Utica, 4-1 St John's leads Moncton, 3-1 Cape Breton defeated Fredericton, 4-1",rec.sport.hockey 3453,": It seems silly, but while I've located things like tgif that can edit : gif files, and various tools to convert to/from gif format, I haven't : been able to locate a program that just opens a window and displays a : gif file in it. I've looked thru various faq files, also to no avail. : Is there one lurking about in some archive? Nothing sophisticated; : just ""show the pretty picture""?",comp.windows.x 3454," No. No. No, but... You can allocate real static data within code segments! When you need more dynamic memory you can allocate data on the global heap. You can forget most of what was written about memory management. Under 3.1 you have paged virtual memory. You can lock every block without hampering the memory manager. You can use far pointer everytime without always Lock/ Unlocking the memory block. An besides: DLL's are mostly just disguised EXE's, that happen to be called by another task. Karl. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3455," This seems appropriate, somehow...>:-)> [....] Hah! I have it on the very *best* authority (mine) that Koresh is whooping it up in a time-share condo in Dallas with Elvis, JFK, and (of course) J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs, who also owns the place and everything else in Texas. Look for ""koresh"" sightings in the Weekly World News and National Enquirer in the coming months. ************************************************************ * The_Doge of South St. Louis * * Dobbs-Approved Media Conspirator(tm) * * ""One Step Beyond"" -- Sundays, 3 to 5 pm * * 88.1 FM St. Louis Community Radio * * ""You'll pay to know what you *really* think!"" * * -- J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs"" * ************************************************************ ",talk.religion.misc 3456,"In a previous article, sadek@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohamed.s.sa Mohamed, What has he got to say about the carnage and genocide in our own SUDAN? The two scenarios must be viewed from the same perspective or don't you think so? well, methinks. no flames intended!!! oguocha ",talk.politics.mideast 3457," You forget the obvious! If it is an *authorised* tap then it can be done at the exchange. If the exchange is *digital* then I suspect that you can auto-monitor a line and pickup the full link. Therefore syncing a piggyback modem on the line would not be impossible - I suspect. -- ",sci.crypt 3458," I did. You're mistaken. NSA's communications intelligence mission is strictly against foreign governments. Here's an excerpt from the enabling charter (24 Oct 52, Truman) that should clarify this. The charter was declassified in about Feb 1990 when an FOIA request made it public. Interesting! Where can I get the whole thing? NSA is not in the standard-setting business, though -- that's why this Clipper stuff came from NIST, which I believe is tasked with coming up with standards based on their best inputs from other government agencies, which would include NSA. Several of the newspaper reports have made it fairly clear that the NSA did all the real work. You can't believe everything you read in the papers :-), but the package of information the NIST is faxing out has so little information beyond what's widely known that it sounds like it's true.",sci.crypt 3459,"Source: ""Adventures in the Near East"" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages). (Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 178 (first paragraph) ""In those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been searched for arms by the Armenians everything had been taken under the cloak of such search, and not only had many Moslems been killed, but horrible tortures had been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as to where valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were aware of the existence, although they had been unable to find them."" Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 3460,"On a cold, damp night last night at Tiger Stadium, Dave Wells, David Haas, Bob MacDonald, and Mike Henneman combined for a 3-1 victory over the Texas Rangers. Here are the highlights: R H E Texas 1 4 1 Detroit 3 5 0 Wells gets the win, he's now 3-0 with an ERA just under 1, and Henneman gets his third save in three chances. Ken Rogers started for the Rangers and gets the loss. He was relieved by Burns in the 7th. The Rangers got their only run on a solo home run by Dean Palmer in the 7th. The Tigers opened the scoring with an RBI single by Fryman in the 3rd, then took the lead for good in the bottom of the seventh when Whitaker greeted reliever Burns with an RBI double which scored Tettleton. Whitaker in turn crossed the plate on an RBI single by Phillips (who has been red hot) for the third Tiger run. This afternoon, it's another battle of southpaws, Bill Krueger for the Tigers vs. Craig Lefferts for the Rangers. --Randy",rec.sport.baseball 3461," [unrelated text deleted] I think that Phil needs to get out a ruler and see exactly how big 50mm rounds are - roughly 2"" diameter. The type of stuff used in Anti-Aircraft gunnery. .50 calibre is much smaller, but the 3000m effective range (~2mi) sounds about right. Maybe he just got the two confused..... The FBI's reasoning was sound, but the note from PH-B was factually wrong. Tom H. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tom Hyatt I'm a diehard Saints fan, so i've thyat@sdf.lonestar.org suffered quite enough, thank you! Arlington, TX Help! I'm being repressed! -M.Python ------------------------------- ",talk.politics.misc 3462,"If anyone would have a low quantity distributer for these little beasts (3479P) by Motorola, please let me know! _______________________________________________ | | _______ | Baden de Bari | / \ | baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca | (| o o |) | baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca | | ^ | | >> True life can only | \ -=- / | >> be experianced by | \_____/ | >> those who do not fear death. |",sci.electronics 3463," Did I not hear that there maybe some ports of Real3D Version2 in the pipeline somewhere, Possibly Unix. Not too sure though please put me straight.",comp.graphics 3464," I really disagree with you. But maybe you know better. Here is the issue at hand: 'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?' (Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy), ""The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi"", p. 213.) ""The crime of systematic cleansing by mass killing and extermination of the Muslim population in Soviet Republic of Armenia, Karabag, Bosnia and Herzegovina is an 'Islamic Holocaust' comparable to the extermination of 2.5 million Muslims by the Armenian Government during the WWI and of over 6 million European Jews during the WWII."" (Tovfik Kasimov - Azeri Leader - September 25, 1992) ""Today's ethnic cleansing policies by the Serbian dictatorship against Croatians and Muslims of Yugoslavia, as well as the Soviet Republic of Armenia's against the Muslim population of neighboring Azerbaijan, are really no different in their aspirations than the genocide perpetrated by the Armenian Government 78 years ago against the Turkish and Kurdish Muslims and Sephardic Jews living in these lands."" (Cebbar Leygara - Kurdish Leader - October 13, 1992) Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 3465," Maryland and other states. To the original poster: Read the last 3-4 issues of Car And Driver about this. It's interesting and should be illegal... ",rec.autos 3466," It is also so easy to blame the West for their indiffernce to real Bosnian suffering. How about the moslem world, about 1 billion? How about them ha? What they are doing to stop this massacre? Why the oil rich Arab states make the Bosnian crises a national interest of the West, especially for Europeans? We all know they can do it over night, don't we? Blaming West and asking why they don't put their life into danger seems to be the choice of muslims too. I think who is sleeping is not the West. They are wide awake. They are trying to save the face. ",talk.politics.mideast 3467," I agree that this should be added to some sort of FAQ list. But we have strayed from the original topic. Our computer environment is pretty split between Mac's and PC's... I am lucky and get to have both on my desk. But there are people who have PC's and need to share data with the Mac users here. The MAC users have no problems because of package called DOS Mounter which AUTOMATICALLy lets the MAC read DOS disks natively. For the PC there is no equivilant... that I know of! Both mac-ette and macsee have been inconsistant under the dos platform, and requires you to perform the activity in a DOS program to selectively transport the files. The question originally posed was if there is such a program that hooks into windows like a .DLL that will interpret the reading of a MAC disk when it is in a PC, and allow access to it through the standard file dialogs. It is quite clear that this would only be available for the 1.44MB flopies. -- T.J. Fiske",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3468,"(Short reply to Kent Sandvik's post remarking how it is strange that somehow Sufism is related to Islam, as [to him] they seem quite different.) If one really understands Islam, it is not strange that Sufism is associated with it. In fact, Sufism is (in general) seen as the ""inner dimension"" of Islam. One of the ""roots"" of the word ""Islam"" is ""submission"" -- ""Islam"" denotes submission to God. Sufism is the most complete submission to God imaginable, in ""annihilating"" oneself in God. (I am not a Sufi or on the Sufi path, but have read a lot and recently have been discussing a number of things with others who are on the Sufi path.)",alt.atheism 3469,"I hope that there's somebody out there that can help us. Some of our students change the AMI bios passwords on a few of our computers and set it for always. What we'd like to know is if there is a way to bypass or remove the password. We have tried switching bios, but to no avail. The battery is soldered to the bord, an all three machines is still under guarentee so if that would have help we can't remove the batteries. Thanks Isak Isak Venter ITBIJV@PUKNET.PUK.AC.ZA",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3470,"-=> Quoting Ohandley@betsy.gsfc.nasa. to All <=- Oh> From: ohandley@betsy.gsfc.nasa.gov Oh> Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey Oh> Subject: Test...Please ignore Oh> Message-ID: <1993Apr21.180741@betsy.gsfc.nasa.gov> Oh> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 22:07:41 GMT Oh> Reply-To: ohandley@betsy.gsfc.nasa.gov Oh> This is a test.....Please ignore. Oh> ======================================================================= Oh> ======== Oh> ======================================================================= Oh> ======== OK I will ignore this message since it is only a test. wow, Montreal just scored to go up 1 - 0 in game 4 of their series, oh sorry I was supposed to ignore this message wasn't I bye for now. Steve ",rec.sport.hockey 3471," Well, Michael, I don't know if clh has left them in the faq (Maybe you should post the ""how to get there map again), but I posted two or three lengthy exegetical paper on these verses. They looked at the OT, NT and intertestimental usages of terms in reference. I would suggest you read those before you talk about a ""need"" in exegetical studies. If those aren't enough, I could also provide ""The source and NT Meaning of Apsevokoitai"". Dr James DeYoung published it in THE MASTERS SEMINARY JOURNAL in fall of '92. To read any of these 4 papers shows that the shoe is on the other foot as far as a need for honest exegesis. Again, please refer to the faq file, or if you are unable to acess it, drop me a line and I will enclose them to you. Rexlex@fnal.fnal.gov ",soc.religion.christian 3472,"Why should anyone (check: let's restrict this to Christians, why do *we*) want to find ""commandments"" in the books regarded as scripture? What's going on? I will pass on psychologizing answers (whether dismissive or more open) as not the kind of issue to deal with here -- the question is what is the *theological* point involved? And it has been quoted ""at"" me often enough by those who don't believe I take it seriously, that Jesus (is said to have) said, ""If you love me, you will obey my commands."" [John 14:15] I am, like any Christian, the slave of Christ, and it is my will that I should do as He wills me to do. I am (also, or instead) His younger brother, but still under His direction, though we both call God ""Abba."" Christians, therefore, will try to find what it is that their Lord commands them, and discovering it will feel obligated to do it, or to confess their failure. Readers here may set aside the theologizing jargon (such as ""slaves of Christ"") -- the point is that adherents of a religion *will* read the texts (whether classified as ""inspired"" or not) that are held up as models, in an effort to find application to their own situations. This practice ranges from ""devotional"" reading of sermons and the like to the exegesis of canon- ical scripture as ""the Word of God."" And at the highest pitch, this leads to a question of whether we *can* find in inspired scripture something that can act as ""absolute"" guidance for our actions. The problem is in finding out just *what* it is our Lord commands. I am going to set aside for this essay one major direction in which Christians have looked for these commands, namely Christian tradition. That is not because *I* reject tradition, but because my primary audience in this essay is Protestants, who deny tradition a determinative value, in favor of the witness of Scripture. The question I want to deal with is, WHAT commandments can we find from our Lord in Scripture? And that turns out to be a hard question. [ If any of my Protestant Inquisitors would *like* to turn the discussion to the authority of tradition, I can accomodate them :-), unlike *most* Protestants, Episcopalians admit claims from a) Scripture b) Reason and c) Tradition on roughly equal standing. ] Earlier in John than my quote above, we read [John 13:34] ""I give you a new commandment: love one another."" This is the ONLY place in the NT where Christians are given an explicit commandment, with the context commenting on its imperative mode pronouncement by Jesus. At the same meal [so we *readers* infer, since it is *not* in John, but in the Synoptics] Jesus says, ""Take this [bread]; this is my body."" [Mark 14:22, cf. Matthew 26:26, Luke 22:19, 1 Corinthians 11:24] The mode is imperative (Greek _labete_), and hence this, too, is a ""commandment."" In *both* cases we have to *infer* that the command is directed to a wider circle than the immediate collocation of disciples -- because we judge the evangelist's point in mentioning it (with the disciples by then mostly or entirely dead) is that *we* are expected to follow this as a commandment from our Lord. In the case of communion, Paul's mention (at least; this is probably true of the evangelists also) implies an ongoing ritual liturgy in which these words operate to ""bind"" Christians to the original command to his disciples, as a continuing commandment to the Christian community. I am entirely comfortable with this inference, but I *must* point out that it is THERE, between us and the occasion on which Jesus spoke the command. I take it as a clear inference, at the very least the EVANGELIST'S notion, that *all* Christians are called to love one another, in Jesus' command directed at the disciples. But I have to call attention to the inference. The command CANNOT apply to me without the generalization from the specific context of its statement to my own context as a ""disciple"" of Christ. All reading of scripture has to make such inferences, to get any sense out of the text whatsoever. This is a general problem in reading these texts -- we cannot read them at all without our *own* understanding of our native languages in which we (normally) read the (translated) texts, and without *some* appreciation of the original context (and at points, the original languages, when English misleads us.) I am going to presume, in what follows, that we have the *general* problem of how to read scripture under control [ I don't *really* think this is true, but it will suffice for my current purposes. ] I will address ONLY the issues that arise when we have already coped with the understanding of a 2000 year old text from another world than the one we live in. Questions at THAT level only introduce MORE reser- vations about the commandments issue than will be found stipulating that we can read the texts as the original audience might have done. Among the reasons we have for seeing John's _agapate allelou_ as a *general* commandment (not merely an instruction by Jesus to this disciples on that one occasion), and one linking it to the Synoptic ""Great Commandment"" is that we have criticism, from Jesus, about limiting our love to those whom we congenially associate with. In Matthew 5:43ff we read, ""You have learnt say to you: love your enemies."" In fact, the Leviticus context quoted does NOT say 'hate your enemy' -- it is merely the common human presumption. (And Leviticus is at pains to say that the ""love"" should extend to strangers amongst the people of Israel.) Luke, in expanding on this same Q context, goes on to have Jesus say. ""Even sinners love those who love them."" [6:27] All of this suggests [quite strongly, I'd say :-)] that *limiting* the scope of the ""new commandment"" is not quite what Jesus has in mind. In short, inference *leads me* to generalizing the actual text to a command that is ""in force"" on Christians, and with objects not limited to other Christians. Trickier than the _agapate allelou_ or Institution of communion, there is the case of the ""Great Commission"" where (Matthew 10, Mark 6) the Twelve are sent out to evangelize, ""Proclaim that the kingdom of heaven is close at hand."" The verb is imperative (_ke:russete_), but the context is rather specific to the Twelve, and there are further specifiers (as in ""Do not turn your steps to pagan territory, and do not enter any Samaritan town"" -- the Lukan parallels are even more specific to Jesus' final journey to Jerusalem) which make it harder to see this generalizing to all Christians than the previous examples. That hasn't prevented Christians from MAKING such an inference; what I have to call attention to is that such inference is NOT justified in the text, nor (unlike the first two cases I cite) by the rhetoric of the evangelist urged on the reader. Still, Paul seems to have felt obliged to ""proclaim that the kingdom of heaven is close at hand"" even (contrary to Jesus' instructions to the 12 :-)) to the gentiles, to the ends of the earth. So, Christians after him have also taken this as a ""commandment"" in the sense of John 14:15. Do I ""accept"" this? I don't know. It is surely rather speculative. But you see how the ripples of inference spread out from the text that is the pretext -- Christians (may) infer a general commandment, applicable to all, from what is presented in the gospels as a specific occasion. I do not (necessarily) object to this kind of generalization -- but I *insist* that people who make it *must* have an understanding that they are *reasoning* (at some considerable length) from what we actually *have* in scripture. There are *assumptions* involved in this reasoning, and *these* are *not* themselves scriptural (though people will do their best to ""justify"" their assumptions by OTHER references to scripture -- which simply adds MORE inference into the mix!) Let's move on to the ""Great Commandment"" -- that we should love God with our whole hearts and minds and souls. This is, perhaps, the Synoptic ""equivalent"" of John's _agapate allelou_. And yet, it is not PRESENTED as a commandment, in our texts. Rather, the context is controversy with the Pharisees. To cite Matthew [22:34ff] ""But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees they got together and, to disconcert him, one of them put a question, ""Master, which is the greatest commandment of the Law?"" It is by no means obvious here (though I accept it as such) that Jesus' answer is meant to be a commandment *to Christians*. He is answering a polemic from his enemies. [ Mark's account, in 12:28-34 casts the answer in a far more positive light as (so the ""scribe"" in this version says) ""far more important than any holocaust (I need to point out that this word originates in the context of animal sacrifice; forget the Nazis for this) or sacrifice."" Luke is intermediate -- he has a lawyer posing the question ""to disconcert"" Jesus, and gets the Good Samarian parable for his pains [ Luke 10:25-37 ]. The contexts here are so confusingly various that one could be forgiven for drawing *no* inferences :-) In *no* account is this said as if it were obviously to be taken as a commandment binding on Christians -- though I think it an entirely reasonable conclusion in each case that Jesus thinks it to be so. The point is that our mental gears HAVE to grind a cycle or so to get to any conclusion from all of this about what WE are commanded to do, by Jesus. And all of this is contingent on our understanding the point of Jesus' use of the Torah in the (all quite different) gospel accounts, and the application of such a context to *us*. The different contexts among the Synoptics are curious. It should be noted that ONLY in Luke do we get the ""fixing"" of this command by the parable of the Good Samaritan. We may look for an analogous *intent* in Matthew, where 7:12 gives the ""Golden Rule"" as ""the meaning of the Law and the Prophets"" (and where we may also hear an echo of Hillel saying the same, a generation before Jesus.) If we make these associations (which I think are entirely reasonable), we are -- again -- indulging in inference. The texts do not *explicitly* support us; rather, we *read* the texts as having this kind of inter-relationship. Current literary theory calls this ""intertextuality."" My discussion of why the _agapate allelou_ ""has"" to apply beyond the community of the disciples, and beyound the circle of Christian believers, applies again here, to buttress a conclusion that this *is* (despite the presentation not saying so explicitly) a ""commandment"" to Christians. Few Christians would disagree with my conclusions -- but I *must* point out that they *are* conclusions, they *depend* on rather elaborate chains of reasoning that are simply NOT present in the texts, themselves. The contextual problem keeps coming up, more and more severely as we look at those sayings of Jesus that are NOT so universally taken by Christians as commandments. And we get some really hard cases. Take divorce. Mark is pretty clear, ""The man who divorces his wife and marries another is guilty of adultery against her."" [ 10:11, cf. Luke 16:18 ] -- except that Matthew has an escape clause [ ""except in the case of fornication"", 5:31 ]. This seems to be a rather clear ""commandment"" (whether or not we take Matthew's reservation); and some Christians, to this day, take it so. But some don't, at least in practice. This is rather peculiar; it is not as if Jesus were not explicit about this (whereas He says nothing at all about some of the things people gnash their teeth over.) How is it possible, if the commands of Christ are clear, that Matthew can so disagree with the other evangelists of the synoptic tradition? I'm going to continue this examination, into ever-murkier waters, but this is enough to start with. The theme is: ""finding commandments in scripture is an exercise in inference; our inferences are informed by OUR assumptions, that is, our own cultural biases."" I have, so far, identified a very few ""commandments"" that are generally accepted by all Christians -- and yet in these, already, some of the difficulties start to surface. It is these difficulties I want to discuss in my next essay on this topic. The divorce commandment already strikes at some of the difficulties: I see almost no evidence that the people who are so eager to find commandments to condemn *me* with, spend any time at all writing nasty screeds to soc.couples or misc.legal about the horrors or viciousness of divorce, or demanding that US law refuse to allow it, or refuse ""unrepentant divorcees"" places in their churches. [ That is not to say that divorce *doesn't* enter into consideration in general -- it is most definitely a matter of concern, in even the most ""liberal"" church circles. For example, a (wildly) liberal Episcopalian priest of my aqauintence, in a (wildly) liberal diocese, has recommended to a couple who approached him to marry them that they have a ""private"" secular ceremony before a judge, so that the ""public"" ceremony he celebrated need not go through an agonizing ""examination"" by officials who would just as soon NOT take on this role of interpreting the commands we are faced with as Christians. This, in a church that was effectively CREATED by a famous divorce! ]",talk.religion.misc 3473,"Much of the dispute about the origin of the fire that destroyed the BD compound could be settled by examining the propane tank supposedly crushed by one of the army tanks when they breached the walls of the compound. If the the propane tank is flattened and has tread marks on it, then the BD's version of the cause of the fire would seem to be verified. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI ",talk.politics.guns 3474," Finding a disk array that can do 180MB/sec. will be difficult. The fastest ones I know about are from Maximum Strategy (IBM also sells these). They can attach HiPPI at up to 144 MB/sec. (64 bit). For these kinds of data rates you need more than SCSI for connections. Their latest model, the RAID 5 model Gen 4 only does 90 MB/sec. but I think this may be a limitation only of the HiPPI channel and that customer needs have not exceeded that speed since their older model was faster. They are also not idle (must be working on newer products that might be faster) and are a small company so you might be able to ask about custom interfaces. They still marketed the older, faster model as of a few mongths ago. Maximum Strategy, Inc. 801 Buckeye Court Milpitas, CA 95035-7408 sales@maxstrat.com You might still want to look into compression as it will be very difficult to keep the HiPPI bus fully working at all times - sustained throughput might come close to maximum burst rate. Interesting problem. Tell us more if you can? ",comp.graphics 3475,"There is a contradiction related to the moral issue of polygamy in the Mormon writings. In the book in the book of Mormon called the book of Jacob, Joseph Smith wrote that it was an abomination to God for David and Solomon to have many wives. Later, when Joseph Smith wrote the Doctrines and Covenants (possibly when polygamy was becoming an issue in his personal life) he wrote that it was not an abomination for David to have many wives. How do Mormons answer this contradiction?",soc.religion.christian 3476," No, no, no! The previous one was called ""Smiley"". 1992 QB1 = Smiley, and 1993 FW = Karla. Note that neither name is official. It seems the discoverers have an aversion to the designation scheme.",sci.space 3477,"As long as we're bashing typography... Yes, UNIX is case-dependent. :-)",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3478," If you were able to prove that morality is objective, then it would be correct to do so. The problem is, by the very meaning of the words in question, to do so is oxymoronic. Of course you could redefine the words, but that would still not lend support to the underlying concept. This does not parse. How could you hardly be wrong without dragging in the o-word? I have no problem with objectivity at all. It is my objectivity that has led me to conclude that morality is subjective. ",talk.religion.misc 3479," ..that's what I thought, that's why I never used emm386.exe before. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3480,"Are there any members of conservative, religious, politically active groups (such as the Christian Coalition) out there? I come from a very liberal background, and I'd like to talk to some conservative people out there in a public forum (such as this one.) I frankly can't understand the rationale or Christian basis for much of the conservative position, and I'd like to try and learn more about this movement--after all, we're part of the same church. Is anyone interested in explaining a bit about the conservative viewpoint? Thanks.",soc.religion.christian 3481," AE is in Dallas...try 214/241-6060 or 214/241-0055. Tech support may be on their own line, but one of these should get you started.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3482," Has he realised yet....or are you hoping to fix it before he does ? If you're planning to use T-Cut...BE CAREFUL. Sunlight fades paint and T-Cut removes the surface layer, so if its a older bike or very sunny where you live then the colour of the T-cut panel wont match the rest of the bike. -Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Morley PIPEX (Public IP EXchange) DoD #549 216 Cambridge Science Park Ogrite Milton Road CBR1000FL Cambridge, CB4 4WA Ely & District MCC England",rec.motorcycles 3483,"The clipper chip's User key is formed by: R1 = E[D[E[N1;S1];S2];S1] R2 = E[D[E[N2;S1];S2];S1] R3 = E[D[E[N3;S1];S2];S1] Why is the triple-encrytion used? Is it just to gain an effective increase in keyspace to defeat a potential keysearch? (If so, why use 80 bit keys?) Not knowing anything about the Skipjack algorithm, it's not really possible to guess whether this makes it harder or easier to guess S1,S2. Why are N1, N2, and N3 formed as they are? It would be facinating to see the Skipjack algorithm, to look for ways of attacking it that require three ciphertext blocks formed in that odd way. Where do the 34-bit constant values that are concatenated with the serial number to form N1,N2,N3 come from? Are they changed from chip to chip, or session to session? (Even if they're published in the NY Times, if SkipJack is resistant to known-plaintext attacks, when using triple- encryption, then there's no break in security. But why allow that kind of weird format? If those three 34-bit values are truly-random bits, then maybe it's used to ensure that a known-plaintext attack on SkipJack, if it exists, can't be easily used to derive S1 and S2 for a whole production run of these chips....) Does Dorothy Denning read this group? If not, is someone on the group forwarding questions like these to her, or Martin Hellman, or anyone else who's seen more details about the chip?",sci.crypt 3484,"From mikefran Wed Apr 21 11:08:28 EDT 1993 Article: 56 of csc.general Newsgroups: dc.forsale,dc.general,um.general,csc.general Path: wam.umd.edu!mikefran From: mikefran@wam.umd.edu (Michael Francis) Subject: Car for Sale Message-ID: <1993Apr21.142729.7039@wam.umd.edu> Keywords: 1981 Volkswagon Scirocco Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: csc,um,dc Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:27:29 GMT 1981 Volkswagon Scirocco Gold exterior and interior 5 speed transmission AM/FM Stereo with cassette Sunroof Engine in good condition New Tires Needs $300 work on front left control arm because of damage caused by pothole. Runs well Asking $800.00 AS IS / OBO.",misc.forsale 3485," I suppose you don't know what about we have discussed. We discussed about error(s) in XV 2.21 which shows images only as 8bit, and my suggestion above works perfectly with it. So far I have seen a colormap editing window in XV -- that is, there must be a colormap anyway. The problems you present are exist anyway, and I didn't tried to solve them at all, because I would not make such problems to my programs in the first place. Gamma and color corrections are easily done to 24bit image as I presented. There's no need make tricks from 8bit/quantized image back to 24 bit image. Ok, you're writing about situation that user want edit images as 24bit and user want edit individual colors -- your questions, by the way, jumps off the discussion a bit. My solution doesn't work, because there's no colormap withing real 24bit image -- you see, user see 24bit image; going back to 8bit is silly. About changing individual colors in 8bit/quantized/rasterized image: changing individual colors in colormap is useless in most cases if the image is quantized and rasterized -- small change may make serious errors to anywhere in the image. XV allows this feature, but I don't recommend to use it with the mentioned type images. Moreover, XV is not a paint program; you can only make those global changes. In full 24bit XV, changing individual colors sounds like paint program job. If person have 8bit screen, there's need for tricks to get the original 24bit image modified. Because user don't see full 24bit image, there's need to make approximations and it is not possible to modify individual colors but individual pixels or pixel groups (if image is rasterized). To select indiavidual color, there could be 7x7 cursor window which shows true color image in cursor window area -- selecting individual color is possible from that. Ok, I don't have thought very much 24bit painting programs, never seen such in good view and are not planned to make such. Not to mention 24bit painting program in 8bit screen... It saved 8bit/quantized/rasterized images as 24bit jpegs; jpeg is not designed for that. Also, human expect that 24bit will be saved as 24bit image; say, person would like to crop part of the image and save it, then it is expected that the image still is the same. So, XV were designed without thinking about human interface and how human expect the program work -- design error. I have heard XV were designed first for 8bit images/files, but it were not good idea to take full 24bit images without making major change to the original design. So, even all screen images are 8bit, the processed images and saved images could have been 24bit very easily, instead of 8bit. Before anybody will make a note: yes, I may as well make a lift where 'up' means that the lift goes down and 'down' means that the lift goes up, and put a note on this design solution to the manuals -- however, even the manuals tells the correct situation, it doesn't solve the problem. (Americans: the lift is just an example :) Well, my text may be a bit hard reading, hopefully you suggeeded to read it. ",comp.graphics 3486,"I would gladly spend twice the money for insurance, rather than using Geico. Not only do they supply radar guns to the police they also want to make radar detectors illegal. They also ask if you have a detector (probably to put you in a high risk group or just refuse to insure you). I know a few people who were droped by geico due to an accident that was not their fault.",rec.autos 3487,"Greetings, I am looking to upgrade my hard drive to a much bigger one since I find myself kinda cramped on space, althuogh I have never filled it I would like the extra comfort of 30 megs or so. If anyone would like to sell/trade a newish 80 meg or bigger hard drive for 125 straight and 75 with a trade please e-mail me back at johng2matt.ksu.ksu.edu with an offer. I would also sell my hard drive for about 60$ if you really want it. it's a 42MB western digital IDE. Other than that I am not sure what the transfer rate is, but it is pretty fast. faster than my roommates teac drive. I have addstor running on it now and have had it for about 5 months. I have *never* had a problem with it and would guarantee it works upon deliveree. Thanks John",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3488,"NY Islanders 1 1 2 0 1--5 Washington 0 2 2 0 0--4 First period 1, NY Islanders, Turgeon 1 (King, Thomas) 13:14. Second period 2, Washington, Hunter 3 (Johansson, Miller) 6:33. 3, NY Islanders, Turgeon 2 (Thomas, Vaske) 12:36. 4, Washington, Hunter 4 (Johansson, Carpenter) pp, 16:51. Third period 5, NY Islanders, Hogue 1 (unassisted) 3:31. 6, Washington, Khristich 2 (Cavallini, Bondra) 7:16. 7, NY Islanders, Ferraro 2 (Flatley, Hogue) 14:50. 8, Washington, Hunter 5 (Johansson, Khristich) pp, 19:57. First overtime No scoring. Second overtime 9, NY Islanders, Mullen 1 (Ferraro, Flatley) 14:50. NY Islanders: 5 Power play: 5-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Ferraro 1 1 2 Flatley 0 2 2 Hogue 1 1 2 King 0 1 1 Mullen 1 0 1 Thomas 0 2 2 Turgeon 2 0 2 Vaske 0 1 1 Washington: 4 Power play: 5-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bondra 0 1 1 Carpenter 0 1 1 Cavallini 0 1 1 Hunter 3 0 3 Johansson 0 3 3 Khristich 1 1 2 Miller 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Montreal 0 0 1--1 Quebec 3 0 1--4 First period 1, Quebec, Leschyshyn 1 (Kamensky, Sakic) pp, 4:19. 2, Quebec, Young 2 (Lapointe) 11:41. 3, Quebec, Young 3 (Lapointe, Duchesne) 13:56. Second period No scoring. Third period 4, Montreal, Bellows 2 (Odelein) 11:05. 5, Quebec, Lapointe 1 (Ricci) en, 19:23. Quebec: 4 Power play: 2-1 Special goals: pp: 1 en: 1 Total: 2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Duchesne 0 1 1 Kamensky 0 1 1 Lapointe 1 2 3 Leschyshyn 1 0 1 Ricci 0 1 1 Sakic 0 1 1 Young 2 0 2 Montreal: 1 Power play: 1-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bellows 1 0 1 Odelein 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- New Jersey 0 0 0--0 Pittsburgh 2 4 1--7 First period 1, Pittsburgh, McEachern 1 (Francis, Taglianetti) 15:09. 2, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 3 (Samuelsson, Barrasso) sh, 17:41. Second period 3, Pittsburgh, Tocchet 2 (Stevens, Samuelsson) 3:48. 4, Pittsburgh, Jagr 2 (Francis, Ramsey) 12:39. 5, Pittsburgh, Stevens 1 (Francis, Murphy) pp, 15:43. 6, Pittsburgh, McEachern 2 (Daniels, Mullen) 16:56. Third period 7, Pittsburgh, Mullen 1 (Francis, Barrasso) 17:42. Pittsburgh: 7 Power play: 4-1 Special goals: pp: 1 sh: 1 Total: 2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Barrasso 0 2 2 Daniels 0 1 1 Francis 0 4 4 Jagr 1 0 1 Lemieux 1 0 1 McEachern 2 0 2 Mullen 1 1 2 Murphy 0 1 1 Ramsey 0 1 1 Samuelsson 0 2 2 Stevens 1 1 2 Taglianetti 0 1 1 Tocchet 1 0 1 New Jersey: 0 Power play: 5-0 No scoring ----------------------------------------- Buffalo 2 1 1--4 Boston 0 0 0--0 First period 1, Buffalo, Presley 1 (unassisted) sh, 4:27. 2, Buffalo, Wood 1 (Moller, Sweeney) pp, 8:07. Second period 3, Buffalo, Mogilny 3 (Lafontaine) 5:03. Third period 4, Buffalo, Hawerchuk 1 (Carney, Smehlik) pp, 14:48. Buffalo: 4 Power play: 4-2 Special goals: pp: 2 sh: 1 Total: 3 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Carney 0 1 1 Hawerchuk 1 0 1 Lafontaine 0 1 1 Mogilny 1 0 1 Moller 0 1 1 Presley 1 0 1 Smehlik 0 1 1 Sweeney 0 1 1 Wood 1 0 1 Boston: 0 Power play: 5-0 No scoring ",rec.sport.hockey 3489," Which bus??? I think there are several reasons :- 50MHz motherboards are harder to get right 50MHz need a fast L2 cache - 12-15ns is a good idea 50MHz needs to be slowed down to make a compliant VESA bus 66MHz DX2 chips are faster for a lot of things With a good, fast L2 cache a DX2/66 is going be be faster than a DX50... What do I have? A DX50 of course! Guy",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3490,"Hello. The last issue of Electronics world describes Ranger 2.0 a PCB CAD program. According to the article there is a crippled version available as shareware, does anybody know of any FTP sites/BBSes where this program may be found? Thanks in advance.",sci.electronics 3491," Whoa! Watch your terminology. ""Dealer invoice"" is *not* ""dealer cost"". You'll hear lots of ads screaming ""two dollars over dealer invoice!!!"" Sounds like a real deal, huh? No. You know what the ""dealer invoice"" (also called factory invoice) is? It's a piece of paper with numbers on it that the factory sends the dealer. What do the numbers signify? Absolutely nothing. It's a marketing gimmick that the salesman can wave in your face to impress you. Note that nowhere on the ""invoice"" does it claim to be the real price of the car, and most ads which mention dealer invoice will end with a very fast, low voice saying something like ""invoice may not reflect actual dealer cost"". Actually, I *guarantee* it does not reflect actual dealer cost.",rec.autos 3492,"From article <1993May15.091822.14174@lth.se>, by knut@tts.lth.se (Ake Knutsson): Put ProgMan (with the hotkey) in your StartUp -group. Should do it.",None 3493,"# ## Ahh, what's good for the goose is not necessarily what's good for # ## the gander. You don't want homosexuals to impose their moral codes # ## (such diabolical ideas as equal rights) on you, yet you are willing # ## to impose your moral codes on them. Do I detect a double standard? # ## # ## -garison # # #What do you mean? If adults want to get together for sodomy in # #private, that's their business. # # And that's precisely what they do. So what's your problem with the queer # population, boyo? The only difference between us is what we do in # private--who we love. # # ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! Do it in private, and it won't be a problem. But the reason that the homosexual activists are so hot on antidiscrimination laws is that they want: 1. To be able to wear that lovely chiffon evening gown to work, and not have people get disgusted; 2. To be able to wear their NAMBLA T-shirt and not worry about getting fired; 3. To be able to have access to young boys, so that they start making the next generation of homosexuals. If your right to privacy is what makes sodomy laws unconstitutional (a position that I agree with), then keep it private, and there won't be a problem.",talk.politics.misc 3494," I read on the BBS a while back thats a BBS may be started for Gateway2000. Did a BBS start, and if it did, would you let me know the newsgroup name. Please send information by e-mail. My e-mail address is joe_west@lds.loral.com. Thanks...joe west. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3495,"Appsoft Image is available for NeXTStep. It is a image processing program similar to Adobe Photoshop. It is reviewed in the April '93 issue of Publish! Magazine. ",comp.graphics 3496,"THe origional bit is missing but long/short follows: The origional poster asked if he/she could use any old vga/svga monitor with a centris (hence title). The answer ot this question is an unqualified yes. You can use any old vga/svga monitor with a centris. You do need an adaptor (I use a Mac vga-q from james engineering (510) 525-7350) to run between the two machines. THe adaptor I have mentioned will convert a centris to a three row vga/svga 25(?) pin adaptor for your monitor. NOW, the special interest disclaimer. The above answer is correct for using a vga monitor at 600x400 resolution. IF your monitor will sync to 56Khz horizontal the above adaptor will allow you to choose 800x600 resolution (I prefer this on my 1604s). THen You have the question of matching adaptors and sync rates. I would advocate calling James engineering because they seem to have a clue. As to the comment by the person who said don't bother calling Apple because they will treat you like an idiot this is totally untrue. APPLE WILL TREAT YOU LIKE A F**KING ASSANINE IDIOT FOR EVEN CONSIDERING GOING THIRD PARTY AND IF YOU WANT THIS TREATMENT WANTS YOU TO PAY FOR THEIR THECH SUPPORT LINE (the supposedly compitantly one) AND THEN STILL HAS NO FU***** CLUE. personal experience. also the tech suppport for the vga monitor makers doesn't see to extend to Macs (Sony, Magnavox). In addition to this to find out the info you will have to call dealers unless you can find the sync rates elsewhere as ads like Hardware that fits (*&^%&%^%$$(&**&^(%&%^$!) that rate monitor resolutions give the most favorable rating (which usually means you can get this if you use a specialized application video card).(i.e. ""well you can get a resolution 1168x832 on this $5, 9"" ""super smelly sock"" monitor that will let you display TWO FULL PAGES side by side. All you need is our reasonably priced ""oder eater"" video board for $27,000 and it will give you an ultra fast horizontal sync rate of SIX fast kilohertz and three Khz vertical."") Note: with the sony 1604 at least on the centris 610 built in video board using an 832x624 adaptor, there is a boarder of an inch + to the sides of the image after adjusting the horizontal width as favorably as possible. Using a 800x600 adaptor this can be reduced to about half an inch.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3497,"""Silver Dream Racer"" -- Frustrated Brit club racer's buddy dies, leaving him a built-in-garage ""revolutionary, experimental"" 500 GP bike. Brit club racer uses machine to beat Bad American on Bad Japanese Factory Bike at British GP. Filmed at Silverstone, I believe. Pretty bad. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------",rec.motorcycles 3498," [...details of US built chemical plant at Al Alteer near Baghdad...] : However, the plant's intended use was to aid the Iraqi infrastructure. : It is not an example of selling a weapon. May sound nitpicking, : but are we going to refuse to sell valuable parts that build the : infrastructure because of dual use technology? I am contending that in this case (and in the case of the sale of pesticides by UK companies) that they knew full well that it was to be used for the production of chemical weapons even if that was not its officially stated purpose. : I personally don't think that letting Iran conquer Iraq would have been a : good thing. For that matter, neither do I (for the reasons you state). It is the hypocrisy and claims the US did not help Iraq that make me angry, plus the fact that the USA seems to believe it has the *right* to interfere where is sees fit (i.e. has an interest) rather than a *duty* to intervene where it is required. This is demonstrated by the failure of the US to do anything about East Timor (and the region *is* becoming destabilised). The USA might have done something approaching the right thing, given my reservations about the uncessary number of civillian casualites, but for wholly the wrong reasons and after having a hand in creating the situation. : That in no way would affect the US later military action against Iraq. I did not suggest it would and it would be ridiculous to assert otherwise. I was simply indicating the USA has previously aided Iraq. : Intel on manufacturing techniques, or something of that nature? No, apparently data (orginally from satellites although I doubt that Iraq would have been given the raw data) concerning troop concentrations.",alt.atheism 3499,"Hi. I'm wonderring if it is possible to replace a single module, as XKeybind.o in a shared library, as libX11.so in Suns OpenWindows. I tried to RTFM, but I didn't get any wiser that way. Also, can I do the same on an RS6000 machine running 3.2.2 (if it is possible at all). I know how to do it with real libraries (ar). I am trying to replace XLookupString in the delivered libraries, with another that does a few special things. /Per -- ",comp.windows.x 3500," ",None 3501," i think you got it the other way round: the Ferrari flat 12 is a 180 degree v12 and not a ""true"" boxer, while the subaru and porsche are true boxers. don't know about the vw bug though, but i suspect that it is also a true boxer.",rec.autos 3502," Ah, those poor genocide apologists. Such quaintly charming habits of the Armenian barbarism and fascism. No swinging of lies will be enough to cover up the crimes of the x-Soviet Armenian Government. Not a chance. Now let the Kurdish scholars speak for themselves. Source: Hassan Arfa, ""The Kurds,"" (London, 1968), pp. 25-26. ""When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer. These Armenian volunteers committed all kinds of excesses, more than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in the eastern vilayets of Turkey."" Sources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), ""Islam Ahalinin Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat,"" (Istanbul, 1918). The French version: ""Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens sur la Population Musulmane,"" (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K. Turkozu, ed., ""Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi,"" (Ankara, 1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., ""Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz,"" (Ankara, 1974) and, edited by the same author, ""Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler - Derlemeler,"" (Ankara, 1978). ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...,"" Vol. 32, 83 (December 1983), document numbered 1881. ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....,"" Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document numbered 1869. ""Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to. Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages left behind after their occupation of this area."" Source: ""Adventures in the Near East"" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages). (Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 184 (second paragraph) ""I had received further very definite information of horrors that had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their treatment of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from Zivin that 'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not be left in independent command of the Moslem population, as, their troops being without discipline and not under effective control, atrocities were constantly being committed, for which we should with justice eventually be held to be morally responsible'."" p. 177 (third paragraph) ""Armenian troops, who, having pillaged and destroyed all the Moslem villages in the plain...."" ""Caravans of refugees were in the meanwhile constantly arriving from the plain, from which the whole Moslem population was fleeing with as much of their personal property as they could transport, seeking to obtain security and protection..."" p. 178 (first paragraph) ""In those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been searched for arms by the Armenians everything had been taken under the cloak of such search, and not only had many Moslems been killed, but horrible tortures had been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as to where valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were aware of the existence, although they had been unable to find them."" p. 181 (first paragraph) ""the Armenians from the plain were attacking the Kurdish line with artillery, with probably a large force in support."" p. 175 (first paragraph) ""The arrival of this British brigade was followed by the announcement that Kars Province had been allotted by the Supreme Council of the Allies to the Armenians, and that announcement having been made, the British troops were then completely withdrawn, and Armenian occupation commenced. Hence all the trouble; for the Armenians at once commenced the wholesale robbery and persecution of the Muslem population on the pretext that it was necessary forcibly to deprive them of their arms. In the portion of the province which lies in the plains they were able to carry out their purpose, and the manner in which this was done will be referred to in due course."" Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 3503," The IBM XGA SVGA VESA driver is on the 2.02 reference diskette, available from the IBM BBS. It's also on Compu$erve, or you can bang on your sales rep to get you a later version.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3504,"It seems that Egypt is only interested in fighting wars against its own people, while objecting to any steps for Bosnia.. I am not surprised, WHo said that Mubarak represents Egypt (Hell he does not even represent all the criminals of Egypt) .... Thanks Saudia for the pocket change. Compare that to the ""Liberation of Q8"" and to what they gave to some weird causes.. O.K at least they are paying. Mr. Amr Moussa was not worried about International law when he tortured to death many of his citizens and when he shot people praying in a Mosque, or when he is causing trouble to his neighbor just becasue the CIA says so. Why doesn't he just shut up, he won't be involved in any Bosnian effort anyway, or does the west have to be represented even in an Islamic conference? The more I hear about the Egyptian regime, the more I understand the existence of the ""Jamaa Islamiyah"" there. After all most of its members and leaders are former and current victims of government torture, injustice, or relatives of victims. In some other places they get psychiatric care AND revenge in the COURTS. But all they got is more of the same resulting in a cycle of madness that is initiated by the government with the illicit support of the west who is more concerned about the safety of half naked tourists in conservative neighborhoods than the dignity, social justice, and safety of the majority of the poor oppressed people of Egypt. Enough said.",talk.politics.mideast 3505,"o Kenwood Audiophile Cassette Tape Deck Asking $199.00 obo + shipping, (original price I paid - $450.00), excellent condition, well maintained, rarely used. - Model KX-900 - Kenwood Audiophile Series (Kenwood highend stereo component) - Programmable playback with Memory System (used to program the playback order if selection. Program is stored in RAM (Random Access Memory) System with digital display of the song # being played) - Counter Memory Index (when this mode is selected, count '000' of the Tape Counter can be stored in memory. This function is useful when it is necessary to stop of restart the tape at '000' during fast forward or rewind. - Search Mode (Searching for a selection, skipping a selection or repeating a selection can be preformed at a touch.) - Time stand by switch (this is used along with an audio timer when an unattended timer-recording or timer-playback is performed.) - Dolby NR with MPX filter - Bias adjustment (used to obtain optimum bias that matches the type of type to be played) - Tape selector switch (CrO2, FeCr, Normal, Metal) - REC MUTE key (When recording, press this key to delete undesired portions between programs such as announcements and commercials. When this key is pressed, the tape runs forwards for 5 seconds to make an unrecorded section, then the PAUSE function automatically stops the tape. To restart recording, press PAUSE key once.) - Flurescent PEAK PROGRAM METERS - Rec level controls - Phone Jack - Mic Jacks - Input Selector switch - SPECS:",misc.forsale 3506," Actually, I've heard that some M1 Abrams tank commanders take the governers off their turbine engines, and can acheive 90MPH on a paved road. Never seen it myself, but I believe it... [stuff deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___ / _ \ '85 Mustang GT Bob Pitas / /USH 14.13 @ 99.8 bpita@ctp.com / /| \ Up at NED, Epping, NH (Cambridge, MA) """" - Geddy Lee (in YYZ) Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, obviously, since they end with my .sig!",rec.autos 3507," Though there is a command in the law not to heed to one who prophecies falsely, it is still possible for the one who has prophecied falsely to prophecy truely again. Take, for example the story in Kings about the man of God from Judah who came to israel and prophecied against a king. The Lord had commanded him to not eat or drink till he returned home. Another prophet wanted this man of God to stay in his house, so he prophecied falsely that the Lord wanted the man of God to stay in his house. While they ate and drank in his house, the Lord gave the prophet who lied a word that the man of God would die from breaking the word of the Lord. It came to pass.",soc.religion.christian 3508,"I heard that there will be an Apple price drop coming June 30th. Can anyone second this rumour? -- A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3509," Probably, but the point is THE COMPANY make the registration patch, NOT YOU. Sure, you can probably find another registerred user and compare notes, but WHY? It's not hindering you in any way unless you are just hacking. [Problem about people who cut TOO MUCH from quoting...] Nothing, but if you read my WHOLE suggestion, I'm saying that you register via MAIL by mailing in your registration card, THEN the company send you the patch which includes the info you put on the registration card.",sci.electronics 3510,"I'd like to install an Apple (Quantum) 40 MB hard drive taken from a IIsi in an external PowerDrive box from Hard Drives International that currenty has a dead Conner mechanism in it. Have you done this (or do you know how)? If so, could you please walk me through it, in as much detail as possible? Please email me directly. If anyone else is interested in this, email me and I'll forward responses to you. If enough people want instructions, I'll post a summary within a week or so. Thanks in advance,",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3511," I hadn't heard of the Valentine-1 before. Car&Driver and other auto magazines recommend BEL detectors. I was considering their latest - the 966STi - which picks up Super Wideband Ka and Laser as well. It also avoids radar detector detectors (although I really don't care about this since I doubt I'll be driving in Virginia anytime soon - or have any other states also made detectors iilegal?) How does the Valentine-1 compare with the BEL products?",rec.autos 3512,please subscrive me.,None 3513,"C&T chip set 286-12 mother board C&T BIOS with 2 meg RAM (80ns). Reply with reasonable offer if you are interested... Thanks! :)",misc.forsale 3514," > Just curious, how would the Clipper Chip system handle > conference calls? It's not Clipper, it's any encryption system. I've seen a number of designs; they generally involve a multi-line cleartext bridge. Depending on the encryption system, so long as everyone has the same key, it can be done. For example, I was using ""vat"", which is an Internet Audio tool, for a conference call, and we were encrypting the session. (Unfortunately, one site was doing more work, and didn't have the CPU for it, so it didn't sound all that good at a different site) So, you don't neccessarily have to have a clear-text bridge. But if you do, its totally internal to one of the sites involved in the conversation.... -derek ",sci.crypt 3515,"Somewhere or other I read that when a person of Chinese heritage was told that he had high blood pressure he responded by eating celery (sorry, I don't recall the ""dosage""). Apparently this is supposed to work in reducing hypertension. Can anyone out there verify this? And if it does work, does anyone know the appropriate amounts and possible side-effects?",sci.med 3516," I hope there is not one- with a subject like this you just have a spiral. What would then be a morality of a morality of morals. Labels don't make arguments. One really needs a solid measuring stick by which most actions can be interpreted, even though this would hardly seem moral. For example ""The best thing for me is to ensure that I will eat and drink enough. Hence all actions must be weighed against this one statement."" whatever helps this goal is ""moral"", whatever does not is ""immoral"" Of course this leads such a blank space: there are so many different ways to fulfill a goal, one would need a ""hyper-morality"" to apply to just the methods. Seems to me we only consider something moral or immoral if we stop to think about it long enough :) On the other hand, maybe it is our first gut reaction... Which? Who knows: perhaps here we have a way to discriminate morals. I don't instinctively thing vegetarianism is right (the same way I instinctively feel torture is wrong), but if I thought about it long enough and listened to the arguments, I could perhaps reason that it was wrong (is that possible!? :) ) See the difference? -- best regards, --Adam",alt.atheism 3517,"I think this didn't get posted before (I've been reading USENET for the longest time, but never had much interest in posting until recently). This is what I typed before: I have written Mr. Limbaugh before, and I loathe to use the name Rush in association with him, because he is unworthy to have a name in common with some of the greatest musicians in our time, the BAND, Rush. His address, as some of you wanted is: 70277.2502@compuserve.com He has been to wrapped up in himself to respond to me, but maybe some of you will have better luck. :) bye! -- g'bye for now... -=I Tree I=- a.k.a. Andy Novak --------------------------------------------------------------------- anovak@titan.ucs.umass.edu anovak@twain.ucs.umass.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- g'bye for now... -=I Tree I=- a.k.a. Andy Novak --------------------------------------------------------------------- anovak@titan.ucs.umass.edu anovak@twain.ucs.umass.edu",sci.crypt 3518,"Regarding the consequences of the original sin: Catholics believe that what Adam primarily lost by his sin, for himself and the human race, was sanctifying grace. This is basically a share in the Divine life. Take a rock and make it able to talk: what God does to a human being through sanctifying grace is similar. It makes such a one able to live on a plane that is above the powers of any possible creature. This is the ""everlasting life"" that the New Testament speaks of. What Christ did when he came was to restore this life of sanctifying grace to the human race. He instituted the Sacraments as the means by which this life is given to people, and its increase fostered. The absence of sanctifying grace at death means automatic exclusion from Heaven. The nature of Heaven is such that it's impossible for a human being to have any part in it without the gift of sanctifying grace. To use my example, it would be like taking that rock and attempting to hold a conversation with it: rocks cannot talk. Neither can human beings live in Heaven without sanctifying grace. This all obviously applies equally well to infants or adults, since both have souls. Infants must be baptized, therefore, or they cannot enter into Heaven. They too need this form of life in them, or they cannot enter into Heaven. Turning it around, infant baptism is good supporting evidence for the Catholic belief in sanctifying grace. Unless Baptism causes some change in an infant's soul, there is no particular reason to insist on the practice. Yet infant Baptism was probably practiced by the Apostles themselves, and was *certainly* part of the Church shortly thereafter.",soc.religion.christian 3519," I keep hearing this, but every assertion of this form has come from government sources except two. As far as I am concerned, I am not ready to stipulate that Koresh EVER promised to come out except for his first promise and his last promise. The first promise was conditional on his audio tape being given NATIONAL exposure. Well, it never was -- it was broadcast locally, in a chopped-up fashion, and that's all. And even then, they cleverly cut it off when it got to the part where he demanded ""national exposure,"" but not so cleverly that we didn't hear it. The last promise was conditional on the finishing of his manuscript. We'll never know if he would have kept that one. Strangely enough, the previous day they said they were prepared to ""wait as long as it takes."" Quite possible. But arguments of intent do not mark the dividing line between guilt and innocence -- only the line between murder and negligent manslaughter. This would be an interesting development. It's too tempting for one or more of the survivors to ""go state's evidence,"" parrot the FBI story, hang the whole ""suicide"" on Koresh, claim they only stayed at gunpoint, etc. If any of them do this in the next few weeks, it doesn't prove much; but if none of them do, it would be a strong indication to me that the FBI story is dead wrong. -- ",talk.politics.guns 3520," I am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines. V4 - I don't know of any. V6 - Legend, MR3? MR6? VW Golf/Passat 2.8l VR6 (inline V6!), very narrow angle (11 deg?), one head. Audi 80/100 2.6/2.8l V6 V8 - Don't know of any. Audi V8 3.6/4.2l Some MBs Some BMWs V12 - Jaguar XJS BMW 750/850 MB *600* Please add to the list. Thanks, -S ssave@ole.cdac.com",rec.autos 3521," Does anyone know of an X-based terminal emulator which can emulate a color tektronics graphics terminal such as TEK 4105 or TEK 4107, etc? ",comp.windows.x 3522," Wood played most of his junior career in Seattle. He was one of the leading scorers on a mediocre team when he was traded away in 1992. He rarely lost a fight and was one of the toughest players in the WHL. However, I was extremely surprised when he was drafted, especially in the third round. He certainly didn't look like NHL material...",rec.sport.hockey 3523,": : In the NT, the clear references are all from Paul's letters. In Rom : 1, there is a passage that presupposes that homosexuality is an evil. : Note that the passage isn't about homosexuality -- it's about : idolatry. Homosexuality is visited on people as a punishment, or at : least result, of idolatry. There are a number of arguments over this : passage. It does not use the word ""homosexuality"", and it is referring : to people who are by nature heterosexual practicing homosexuality. : So it's not what I'd call an explicit teaching against all homosexuality. That's like saying that murder is only wrong for those of us who aren't natural murders, and stealing is only wrong for those of us who aren't natural thieves. Will",soc.religion.christian 3524," This would be tedious, but if you have the time you could get the .bdf file (I can email it to you if you don't have it or don't have easy access to the X source), and could make your own bold font from this. Since each glyph is just a bitmap, you could write a program to convert each glyph to a bitmap-readable file, use bitmap to make each glyph ""bold"", and convert the results back to .bdf format. Then, use ""bdftopcf"" to create the .pcf file. Then, stick the .pcf in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc (or wherever) and include it in fonts.dir and, voila, you'll have what you need! ",comp.windows.x 3525,"[...] No no no no no no no. It will go like this: FEDS: We need the key to phone 334RE67D99. ESCROW: You have a warrant to tap the line phone 334RE67D99 is on? FEDS: Yes. ESCROW: Fine, here is our key. What happens is, Feds tap a line; find Clipper is being used; extract serial number; get key; decipher convo. The serial number is never registered to a specific owner, it is _sent_ as part of the conversation. If I give you my Clipper phone, you do not need to re-register it (mainly because it was never 'registered' to me in the first place). There are a lot of things that bother me about Clipper, but this is not one of them. Let's get our facts straight and not waste effort demolishing straw men. RA rogue@cs.neu.edu (Rogue Agent/SoD!)",sci.crypt 3526,"I'm trying to bring in 8+ bits to a PC, and would like to use interrupt-driven routines. Without buying an IO board or making a new port, _where_ can I bring in these bits? LPT seems to have only a few inputs, but I've heard rumours that some LPTs have bidirectional lines. Anybody know fer sure? If any bi-d LPTs, which boards have them (I'll be running a new 386DX-33)? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Alan Erickson erickson@baltic.nmt.edu to all SunRayce '93 competitors: I hope you're getting about as much sleep as I am.....",sci.electronics 3527," I read a great book about eye dominance several years ago. So there is one book out there..at least one :). There were several types of eye dominance. Where a person looks in their memory usually indicates a type of eye dominanc Another type is related to coordination activities like hitting a ball. Another for reading. I didn't read one that discussed prescription strength. Although people with bad vision, near or far sighted would tend to depend on the stronger eye. ",sci.med 3528," And who was it that insisted sidestand cutout switches were right up there with tachometers, something like a curse from God? ",rec.motorcycles 3529,"I wasn't sure if this was the right newsgroup to post this to, but I guess the misc is there for a reason. Here goes... I am getting married in June to a devout (Wisconsin Synod) Lutheran. I would classify myself as a strong agnostic/weak athiest. This has been a a subject of many discussions between us and is really our only real obstacle. We don't have any real difficulties with the religious differences yet, but I expect they will pop up when we have children. I have agreed to raise the children ""nominally"" Lutheran. That is, Lutheran traditions, but trying to keep an open mind. I am not sure if this is even possible though. I feel that that the worst quality of being devoutly religous is the lack of an open mind. Anyway, I guess I'll get on with my question. Is anyone in the same situation and can give some suggestions as to how to deal with this? We've taken the attitude so far of just talking about it a lot and not letting anything get bottled up inside. Sometimes I get the feeling we're making this much bigger than it actually is. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Also, please e-mail responses since I don't get a chance to read this group often. :-(",talk.religion.misc 3530," Not always true. In fact, in the case of Doug Gilmour, he actually praises them. Europeans that do those things are scum in Cherry's opinion. Canadian kids that do them are ""tough, just like a real Canadian"". Ulf Samuelsson cheap shots Mark Messier's ribs and Don wants Ulf's head. Doug Gilmour breaks Tomas Sandstrom's arm and Don says Sandstrom had it coming. Methinks Don is either very confused or just a bigot. Most likely the latter. I used to like Don Cherry. I thought he was great. But I'm starting to see his true colors (redneck) and the more I see of them, the more I think he's just an asshole.",rec.sport.hockey 3531," Sure sounds like aXe to me. -- Michael Salmon #include #include #include ",comp.windows.x 3532," flat = 180 deg V = horizonatlly opposed Usually, it also equals ""boxer,"" however, I think the term is traditionally reserved for 8's and 12's (and firing order matters). This was talked about here in r.a many months back; I can't remember the consensus. Examples: Ferrari's 512TR is a flat 12 boxer. Porsche's 911 is a flat 6. Subaru's Impreza is a flat 4. Regards, Brian bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am the engineer, I can choose K.",rec.autos 3533,"Some of the MD's in this newsgroup have been riding my butt pretty good (maybe in some cases with good reason). In this post on depression, I'm laying it all out. I'll continue to post here because I think that I have some knowledge that could be useful. Once you have read this post, you should know where I'm coming from when I post again in the future. Lida, I can emphasize with your situation. Both my wife and I suffered from bouts of depression. Her's was brought on by breast cancer and mine was a rebound stress reaction to her modified radical mastectomy and chemotherapy. Lida, I used my knowledge of nutrition to get her through her six months of chemotherapy(with the approval of her oncologist). When severe depression set in a few months after the chemo stopped, I tried to use supplements to bring her out of it. I had ""cured"" her PMS using supplements and I really thought that I knew enough about the role of diet in depression to take care of her depression as well. It didn't work and she was put on Prozac by her oncologist. Two Winters ago(three years after by wife's breast cancer) I got hit with severe depression(pretty typical and one reason why many marriages break up after breast cancer or another stressor). I tried to take care of it for several months with supplementation. Didn't work. My internist ended up putting me on Prozac. I was going to give you a list of several studies that have been done using B6, niacin, folate and B12 to ""cure"" depression. I'm not going to do that because all you would be doing is flying blind like I was. Lida, I do believe that depression can have a dietary component. But the problem is that you need to know exactly what the problem is and then use an approach which will ""fix"" the problem. For chemotherapy, I knew exactly what drugs were going to be used and exactly what nutrients would be affected. Same thing for PMS. I was flying blind for both of these stressors but the literature that I used to devise a treatment program was pretty good. Depression is just too complicated. What you really need is a nutritional scan. This is not a diet analysis but an analysis of your bodies nutrient reserves. For every vitamin and mineral(except vitamin C), you have a reserve. The RDA is not designed to give you enough of any nutrient to keep these reserves full, it is only designed to keep them from being emptied which would cause clinical pathology. Stress will increase your need for many vitamins and minerals. This is when your reserves become very important. Lida, without your permission, I'm going to use your post as a conduit to try to explain to the readers in this group and Sci. Med. where I'm coming from. I have taught a course on human nutrition in one of the Osteopathic Medical schools for ten years now. I've written my own textbook because none was available. What I teach is not a rehash of biochemistry. I preach nutrient reserves(yes my lectures in this course are referred to by my students as sermons). Here is what I cover: Indroduction and Carbohydrates Lipids Proteins I Proteins II Energy Balance Evaluation of Nutritional Status I, A Clinical Perspective Evaluation of Nutritional Status II, Evaluation of Nutritional A Biochemical Perspective Status III, Homework Assignment Using the Nutritionist IV Diet and Fitness Analysis Software program Weight Control Food Fads and Facts Age-Related Change in Nutrient Requirements Food Additives, Contaminants and Cancer Drug-Nutrient Interactions Mineral and Water Balance Sodium, Potassium and Chloride Calcium, Magnesium and Phosphorus Iron Zinc and Copper Iodine and Fluoride Other Trace Minerals Vitamin A Vitamin E Vitamins D and K Vitamin C Thiamin and Niacin Riboflavin and Pyridoxine Pantothenic and Folic acids Biotin and B12 Other Nutrient Factors Enteral Nutrition Parenteral Nutrition Every three years I spend my entire Summer reviewing the Medical literature to find material that I can use in my nutrition textbook. I last did this in the Summer of 1991. I read everything that I can find and then sit down and rewrite my lecture handouts which are bound in three separate books that have 217, 237 and 122 pages. Opposite each page of written text(which I write myself) I've pulled figures, tables and graphs from various copyrighted sources. Since this material is only being used for educational purposes, I can get around the copyright laws (so far). I can not send this material out to newsgroup readers(as I've been asked to do). I am now in the process of trying to get a grant to setup a nutrition assessment lab. This is the last peice of the nutrition puzzle that I need to make my education program complete. This lab will let me measure the nutrient reserve for almost all the vitamins and minerals that are known to be required in humans. The Mayo clinic already uses a similiar lab to design supplement programs for their cancer patients. Cancer Treatment Centers of America, which is a private for-profit organization with hospitals in Illinois and Oklahoma(Tulsa) also operates a nutritional assessment clinical lab. I also believe that the Pritikin Clinic in California has a similiar lab setup. For physicians reading this post, I would suggest that you get the new Clinical Nutrition Textbook that has just been published(Feb) by Mosby. I have been using Alpers Manual of Nutritional Therapeutics(a Little Brown series book) as a supplemental text for my course but Alpers is geared more to residency training. Two M.D's have written this new Clinical Nutrition textbook and it is geared more towards medical student education and it does a good job of covering the lab tests that can be run to assess a patient's nutritional status. Let me quote a few sentences from the Preface of this new text: ""So-called nutrition specialists were in reality gastroenterologists, hematologists, or pediatricians who just happened to profess some knowledge of nutrition as it related to their field of practice."" ""Unfortunately, about two thirds of the medical schools in the United States require no formal instruction in nutrition."" ""But times and medical practice have changed. More than half of the leading causes of death in this country are nutrition related."" ""... this monograph should accomplish the following two objectives: (1) it should complement your medical training by emphasizing the relevance of nutrition to your medical practice; and (2) it should heighten your awareness of nutrition as a medical speciality that is vitally important for both disease prevention and the treatment of diseases of essentially every organ system."" Roland L. Weinsier, MD, DrPH Lida, my advise to you is that you tell your family members to try to find a physician who has an understanding of the role that vitamins and minerals (yes even magnesium may play a role in depression) play in depression and who could get a nutritional profile run. Menopause is often a time when women suffer depression. There are a lot of hormonal changes that are occuring but they are not the same ones that occur during PMS. A nutritionist may also be able to help. Not too long ago a poster mentioned that his nutritionist had diagnosed a selenium deficiency based on a red cell glutathionine peroxidase test(the specific test for the selenium reserve). Most clinical labs will not run this test and I advised him to try to make sure that the lab that did the test was certified. There are also a lot of hair and nail analysis labs setup to do trace mineral analysis but these labs are not regulated. Checks of these labs using certified standards, and also those doing water lead analysis, showed some pretty shoddy testing was going on. If you or anyone else finds someone who will run these speciality nutrition tests, make sure that they are using a lab that has been certified under CLIA(the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Act). A diet analysis may be helpful since many nutrient reserves have been shown to correlate fairly well with the dietary intake as monitored by food logging and software analysis(Nutritionist IV and other software programs). But there are still about half of the nutrients required by humans that do not show a very good correlation between apparent dietary intake and reserve status. Until we have more nutritional assessment clinical labs in operation in the U.S. and physicians who have been trained how to use the nutritional profile that these labs provide to devise a treatment approach that uses diet changes and supplementation, anti-depressants will probably continue to be the best approach to depression. Martin Banschbach, Ph.D. Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine",sci.med 3534,": The median of a distribution is that variate-value which divides the : distribution halfway, i.e. 1/2 of the distribution (population) have : lower and half have higher variate-values. : So for Males 20-39 the median=7.3, this means that half of these men : are higher than this and half are lower than this. Now if the population : sample size is 3300, and 1% of them are gay, 33 males are gay. If we : say they are distributed equally then only 16.5 are greater than 7.3 : sexual partners, of course, this means that 49.5% heterosexual men are : greater than 7.3. Not quite. First, the median does not imply that half of the men are above and half below 7.3: it simply means that 7.3 is the mid-point between the maximum number of partners and the minimum (which is most likely zero). However, assuming your implication to be more-or-less correct, your final result is still invalid. If 50% of *all* males have had more than 7.3 partners, and you deduct the assumed 1% of homosexual males, what remains is not 49.5%, but still *50%* of all *heterosexual* males. Which is to say: hey, we're all human.",talk.politics.misc 3535," Try rec.radio.packet _______ ______ / / / / Michael A. de Kraker / /______ / / Georgia State University 404-651-2390 / ___ / / / Internet:REGMAD@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU /_______/ ______/ /_______/ BITNET :REGMAD@GSUVM1 PACKET:KD4FKW@W4QO",sci.electronics 3536," I don't really mind the length of games either. If they want to speed the games up in sensible ways, that's fine with me too. However, what I object to is the assertion by baseball people (Whitey Herzog, Buck Rodgers are who I've heard say this) that games are too long because hitters are taking too many pitches, and that the strike zone needs to be expanded.",rec.sport.baseball 3537,"Someone please fill me in on what 3do. Thanks,",None 3538,"The following article by columnist Mike Royko is his humorous commentary on some of the public's perception of doctors and their salaries. I hope some of you will find it as amusing as I did. ____________________________________________________________________________ [Reprinted w/o permission] ""There's no cure for stupidity of poll on doctors' salaries"" By Mike Royko Tribune Media Services On a stupidity scale, a recent poll about doctors' earnings is right up there. It almost scored a perfect brain-dead 10. It was commissioned by some whiny consumers group called Families USA. The poll tells us that the majority of Americans believe that doctors make too much money. The pollsters also asked what a fair income would be for physicians. Those polled said, oh, about $80,000 a year would be OK. How generous. How sporting. How stupid. Why is this poll stupid? Because it is based on resentment and envy, two emotions that ran hot during the political campaign and are still simmering. You could conduct the same kind of poll about any group that earns $100,000-plus and get the same results. Since the majority of Americans don't make those bucks, they assume that those who do are stealing it from them. Maybe the Berlin Wall came down, but don't kid yourself. Karl Marx lives. It's also stupid because it didn't ask key questions, such as: Do you know how much education and training it takes to become a physician? If those polled said no, they didn't know, then they should have been disqualified. If they gave the wrong answers, they should have been dropped. What good are their views on how much a doctor should earn if they don't know what it takes to become a doctor? Or maybe a question should have been phrased this way: ""How much should a person earn if he or she must (a) get excellent grades and a fine educational foundation in high school in order to (b) be accepted by a good college and spend four years taking courses heavy in math, physics, chemistry, and other lab work and maintain a 3.5 average or better, and (c) spend four more years of grinding study in medical school, with the third and fourth years in clinical training, working 80 to 100 hours a week, and (d) spend another year as a low-pay, hard-work intern, and (e) put in another three to 10 years of post-graduate training, depending on your specialty and (f) maybe wind up $100,000 in debt after medical school and (g) then work an average of 60 hours a week, with many family doctors putting in 70 hours or more until they retire or fall over?"" As you have probably guessed by now, I have considerably more respect for doctors than does the law firm of Clinton and Clinton, and all the lawyers and insurance executives they have called together to remake America's health care. Based on what doctors contribute to society, they are far more useful than the power-happy, ego-tripping, program-spewing, social tinkerers who will probably give us a medical plan that is to health what Clinton's first budget is to frugality. But propaganda works. And, as the stupid poll indicates, many Americans wrongly believe that profiteering doctors are the major cause of high medical costs. Of course doctors are well-compensated. They should be. Americans now live longer than ever. But who is responsible for our longevity--lawyers, Congress, or the guy flipping burgers in a McDonald's? And the doctors prolong our lives despite our having become a nation of self-indulgent, lard-butted, TV-gaping couch cabbages. Ah, that is not something you heard President Clinton or Super Spouse talk about during the campaign or since. But instead of trying to turn the medical profession into a villain, ""Let us talk about medical care and one of the biggest problems we have. That problem is you, my fellow American. Yes, you, eating too much and eating the wrong foods; many of you guzzling too much hooch; still puffing away at $2.50 a pack; getting your daily exercise by lumbering from the fridge to the microwave to the couch; doing dope and bringing crack babies into the world; filling the big city emergency rooms with gunshot victims; engaging in unsafe sex and catching a deadly disease while blaming the world for not finding an instant cure. ""You and your habits, not the doctors, are the single biggest health problem in this country. If anything, it is amazing that the docs keep you alive as long as they do. ""In fact, I don't understand how they can stand looking at your blubbery bods all day. ""So as your president, I call upon you to stop whining and start living cleanly. Now I must go get myself a triple cheesy- greasy with double fries. Do as I say, not as I do."" But for those who truly believe that doctors are overpaid, there is another solution: Don't use them. That's right. You don't feel well? Then try one of those spine poppers, needle twirlers, or have Rev. Bubba lay his hands upon your head and declare you fit. Or there is the do-it-yourself approach. You have chest pains? Then sit in front of a mirror, make a slit here, a slit there, and pop in a couple of valves. You're going to have a kid? Why throw your money at that overpaid sawbones so he can buy a better car and a bigger house than you will ever have (while paying more in taxes and malpractice insurance than you will ever earn)? Just have the kid the old-fashioned way. Squat and do it. And if it survives, you can go to the library and find a book on how to give it its shots. By the way, has anyone ever done a poll on how much pollsters should earn? Royko is a Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist for Tribune Media Services. ____________________________________________________________________________ ",sci.med 3539," The following program is a very quick hack I created a few months ago to determine whether a Sun Sparcstation IPC could perform real-time, full-duplex encrypted audio with resulting data rates sustainable by today's modems. This test program reads linearly-encoded audio from the audio device, compresses it with GSM 06.10 (compresses frames of 160 13-bit samples recorded at 8kHz into 260 bits resulting in a 50 Hz frame rate), encrypts it with DES, then reverses the process and sends the reconstructed audio back to the audio device. The compressed, encrypted audio stream is 13 kbits/s (!). My Sparcstation IPC (not exactly a very fast machine these days, certainly slower than an ELC) would just barely sustain this activity (audio underruns would occcur but the speech was very intelligible). I ran it as a real-time process to get the best results. Remember, though, that this program is a quick hack and the performance can certainly be improved. The audio compression routines can be ftp'd from tub.cs.tu-berlin.de, I believe (look for gsm or toast). I used Eric Young's DES implementation but I no longer know where I got it from. Cheers!greg <--------------------------- CUT HERE -----------------------------> /* * Test program to see how much CPU it takes for secure digital audio. * Written by G. Onufer (greg@cheers.Bungi.COM). * * Written on a Sun IPC running Solaris 2.2 with a Sun ISDN S-Bus card * and a SpeakerBox. */ #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include boolean_t svs_audio_init(int fd, audio_info_t *prev_info) { audio_info_t info; if (prev_info != NULL) { if (ioctl(fd, AUDIO_GETINFO, prev_info) < 0) { perror(""AUDIO_GETINFO""); return (B_FALSE); } } AUDIO_INITINFO(&info); info.record.pause = B_TRUE; info.play.pause = B_TRUE; info.play.sample_rate = 8000; info.play.encoding = AUDIO_ENCODING_LINEAR; info.play.channels = 1; info.play.precision = 16; info.record.sample_rate = 8000; info.record.encoding = AUDIO_ENCODING_LINEAR; info.record.channels = 1; info.record.precision = 16; info.record.buffer_size = 320 * 4; if (ioctl(fd, AUDIO_SETINFO, &info) < 0) { perror(""AUDIO_SETINFO""); return (B_FALSE); } if (ioctl(fd, I_FLUSH, FLUSHRW) < 0) { perror(""I_FLUSH""); return (B_FALSE); } AUDIO_INITINFO(&info); info.record.pause = B_FALSE; info.play.pause = B_FALSE; if (ioctl(fd, AUDIO_SETINFO, &info) < 0) { perror(""AUDIO_SETINFO""); return (B_FALSE); } return (B_TRUE); } boolean_t svs_in(int ifd, gsm handle, gsm_byte *buf) { gsm_signal sample[160]; if (read(ifd, sample, sizeof (sample)) != sizeof (sample)) { fprintf(stderr, ""svs_in: short read\n""); return (B_FALSE); } gsm_encode(handle, sample, buf); return (B_TRUE); } boolean_t svs_out(int ofd, gsm handle, gsm_byte *buf) { gsm_signal sample[160]; if (gsm_decode(handle, buf, sample) < 0) { fprintf(stderr, ""svs_out: gsm_decode failed\n""); return (B_FALSE); } if (write(ofd, sample, sizeof (sample)) != sizeof (sample)) { fprintf(stderr, ""svs_out: short write\n""); return (B_FALSE); } return (B_TRUE); } main() { gsm handle; gsm_frame frame; int audiofd; int option; des_cblock key, ivec_in, ivec_out; des_key_schedule ks_in, ks_out; des_cblock cbuf_in[4], cbuf_out[4], cbuf_buf[4]; audiofd = open(""/dev/audio"", O_RDWR); if (audiofd < 0) { perror(""open""); exit(4); } /* * Initialize GSM compression code */ if ((handle = gsm_create()) == NULL) { fprintf(stderr, ""svs: gsm_create failed\n""); exit(4); } option = B_TRUE; if (gsm_option(handle, GSM_OPT_FAST, &option) < 0) { fprintf(stderr, ""svs: gsm_option (FAST) failed\n""); exit(4); } /* * Initialize DES code */ des_random_key(&key); if (des_set_key(&key, ks_in) < 0) { fprintf(stderr, ""svs: des_set_key failed\n""); exit(4); } if (des_set_key(&key, ks_out) < 0) { fprintf(stderr, ""svs: des_set_key failed\n""); exit(4); } memset(ivec_in, 0, sizeof (ivec_in)); memset(ivec_out, 0, sizeof (ivec_out)); /* * Open audio device and configure it */ if (!svs_audio_init(audiofd, NULL)) exit(3); for (;;) { /* * Get 160 samples (16-bit linear 8000Hz) and * convert to a 33 byte frame */ if (!svs_in(audiofd, handle, frame)) exit(1); /* * Encrypt/Decrypt block */ des_cbc_encrypt(frame, cbuf_out, (long)32, ks_in, ivec_in, DES_ENCRYPT); des_cbc_encrypt(cbuf_out, cbuf_buf, (long)32, ks_out, ivec_out, DES_DECRYPT); memmove(frame, cbuf_buf, 32); #if 0 if (memcmp(cbuf_in, cbuf_buf, 32) != 0) { fprintf(stderr, ""svs: memcmp failed\n""); exit(4); } #endif /* * Take 33 byte frame and convert to 160 samples * and play */ if (!svs_out(audiofd, handle, frame)) exit(2); }",sci.crypt 3540," ^^^^^^^^^^ Zounds! There's a blast from the past indeed! I'd nearly forgotten about the strategic significance of strabismic in r.m lore. It's really good to see it proudly displayed again, although I'm sure by now that its carbs are spooge-o-rama from long disuse. Gosh, I'm tingling all over!",rec.motorcycles 3541,"Claris Filemaker Pro Database Manager for sale. Still in package. $240 or best offer. Call (415) 824 6209, ask for Larry.",misc.forsale 3542," Yes. It was the strangest series I have ever watched. And the ending fit perfectly.",None 3543," Radio-Electronics sends each company a bunch of computer-printed address labels for all the people who circled that company's number. The company sends whatever it wants to -- normally a catalog. ",sci.electronics 3544," Let me salute Gary Chin for speaking the gospel which is our source of life. Any who will follow his example, and accept the priorities Christ commands of us, that the weightier matters of the law are justice and mercy and good faith, is my brother or sister in Christ, and I will attend to such a person with humility and charity. We may not, in the end, agree -- siblings often don't -- but we can at least talk. ",soc.religion.christian 3545,,None 3546," : Very true (length of time for discussions on creationism vs evolutionism). : Atheists and Christians have been debating since ?? and still debate with : unabated passion 8-). Mike, I've seen referrences to ""Creation vs Evolution"" several times in a.a and I have question. Is either point of view derived from direct observation; can either be scientific? I wonder if the whole controversy is more concerned with the consequences of the ""Truth"" rather than the truth itself. Both sides seem to hold to a philosophical outcome, and I can't help wondering which came first. As I've pointed out elsewhere, my view of human nature makes me believe that there is no way of knowing anyhthing objectively - all knowledge is inherently subjective. So, in the context of a.a, would you take a stand based on what you actually know to be true or on what you want to be true and how can you tell the difference?",alt.atheism 3547,"above Robinson's average. the easliy REAL stats water boy! tons Check your facts....Andre dawson's career Slugging pct is in the .480's So is Winny's I would like to see your facts. Winny has probably done better than 129 points above with a carrer SLG of 480. Check on more important stats. DEFENSE, and HEART. BATTING AVERAGE. RBI's",rec.sport.baseball 3548," This is not a good idea.. I upgraded my motherboard last fall. I would have been quite pissed at any software that would have forced me to reinstall simply because I changed motherboards. Any info in the BIOS is too volatile to use as a checksum. Are you going to require that a user re-install all their software if they add 4Mb of RAM to their computer? I did that a couple of weeks ago. It's in the BIOS, and if software had told me ""this isn't the machine you installed me on"" I would never have used that software again. Really bad idea. This is silly. It's much easier to loan disks to a friend and let them do an install than to backup your copy already on disk, and then give them that. Your scheme isn't going to stop anyone. Do you know any assembly language at all? All anyone needs to do if find the part of the code that does the quiz, and insert a JMP instruction to just completely skip it. Not that difficult, really! And there is very little that commpanies can do to stop this type of thing. Using PKLITE or some similar utility would help, but only if the resulting compressed .EXE were tagged as uncompressable. This is by far the best idea you presented in your post. Making it plainly obvious who registered is going to stop casual pirates. But, the determined ones are just going to answer ""Joe Blow"" to the question of ""what's your name"" so this won't stop them in the long run. Pirates are always going to win this fight. They simply have more time to work on the software and figure out the protection scheme. -- Steve Madsen sjmadsen@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu",sci.electronics 3549,"[Description of Boeing study of two-staged spaceplane using supersonic ramjets deleted.]",sci.space 3550," Roger, you should check your facts before posting! The Kings have conceded 12 goals in 2 games. ",rec.sport.hockey 3551,"I've got 2 foot switches for sale. They appear to be designed for studio use (ie: they're very well built) - 1"" in diameter, 6' cord. I'd like $15, but I'd also like to sell them, so make me an offer. Also I just bought a new Ibanez guitar so I need to sell one of my others. It's a Kramer with passive EMG pickups (2 single, one double). These pickups sound GREAT and are whisper-quiet. I'd like to get $250 for it. -Jason",misc.forsale 3552,"I build two executables for the same application. Let's call them Papp (uses shared libs) and SPapp (statically linked). The problem is that I get problems when trying to build the *static one*, but not the dynamic one. See the trace below. BTW, the static one runs fine despite the ominous error message. Can someone clue me in as to why the static one bombs at link time? Thanks very much, Sandiway Dr. Sandiway Fong NEC Research Institute Inc. 4 Independence Way Princeton NJ 08540 (609) 951-2733 (609) 951-2482 (FAX) Here is the linking stage... /usr2/quintus/bin3.1.1/sun4-4.1/ld -e start -Bstatic Papp.o \ /usr2/quintus/generic/qplib3.1.1/library/sun4-4/libpl.a \ /usr2/quintus/generic/qplib3.1.1/library/sun4-4/libplm.a \ /usr2/quintus/bin3.1.1/sun4-4.1/libqp.a \ -lsspkg -lXpm -lm -L/usr/local/guide/lib -lguidexv -lxvps -lxview \ -lolgx -lX11 -lXext -lcps -lc -lpixrect -o SPapp Undefined: _XESetCreateGC _XESetFreeFont _XESetCloseDisplay _XESetError _XInitExtension _XESetFreeGC _XESetCopyGC _XESetCreateFont _XESetFlushGC _XESetEventToWire _XESetErrorString _XESetWireToEvent *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `SPapp' ldd SPapp SPapp: statically linked The shared lib version is linked in exactly the same way save for the omission of -Bstatic.",comp.windows.x 3553," I don't think that a transmission fluid change will solve your problem. Unless you are in an extremely cold climate and using a very heavy weight fluid. Follow the manufacturer's recommended oil weight. Some of the cars I have had (all standard transmissions 4 or 5 speeds) recommend changing the transmission fluid at 30,000 miles under normal driving conditions. I've gone 100,000 without changing the transmission oil (and had to replace the transmission bearings!). My older cars used 85 weight oil whereas my 92 Honda uses 10-30 motor oil (or maybe 30 weight). ",rec.autos 3554," How much room can 6 videotapes take up in the moving van? Why not just take them with you? -- ",misc.forsale 3555,"I've got an idea that would remove most of the political complaints I have about the Clipper chip. Pass a law stating that if, within a year of performaing a wiretap on someone, a police agency hasn't managed to convict the suspect of the crime the warrant/wiretap was for, then that agency owes the suspect $1 million to repay him/her for lost privacy. Of course, there are *still* problems with the technical aspects of Clipper, and with the one-size-fits-all mentality that would be behind an attempt to enforce it as a standard. But this would be a way for those in favor of allowing continued wiretaps to assure us that it will only be used in cases where the crime is important and the police are all but certain that there really will be a conviction....",sci.crypt 3556,,None 3557,"I used to be on lopid. It did a good job of reducing cholesterol (295 down to around 214), as well as LDL and triglycerides. Then, I got pneumonia, and for some reason, the Lopid stopped working very well; cholesterol and triglycerides soared. The levels might have stabilized over time, but a new doctor had me quit, wait a month, then switch to Mevicore. On Mevicore, my total cholesterol was down to 207, LDL was 108, and HDL was 35; but the trig's were still very high, around 318, and my liver tests came back slightly abnormal, SGOT = 83 (N = 1-35), GGTP(?hard to read copy) = 42 (N = 0 - 35). He said the liver numbers were not offbase enough to cause him concern, and the triglycerides are not as important as the cholesterol figures. He had me stop the Mevicore to allow the liver to heal (""Just to be extra cautious, though I'm sure it's not a problem.""), and wants me to go back on it after that. I suggested maybe Lopid might be the better choice, and he said that he wouldn't object if that's what I want to do. But Lopid has one particular side effect I'm not fond of.",sci.med 3558," Go to hell. I'm no ""government [-] following fanatic."" Your sweeping generalizations evince your own ignorance. What were they supposed to do? Just let him be? Fuck him. Fuck the ATF, too. They should've done it right the first time.",talk.politics.guns 3559,"PC TOOLS 8.0 all original disk & manual registration card included disk size 3.5"" price $60 + shipping",misc.forsale 3560," I don't think we should draw borders around newsgroups, christians are free to read and post entries on the atheist newsgroups, and muslims are free to so so in other groups as well. It's up to each individual to define their time schedule concerning postings. The problems we all have noticed on various newsgroups is the evangelistical method of telling that 'I am right, and you are wrong'. This is true of both theists and atheists. Hopefully a more constructive dialogue between the groups would help concerning assumptions and colorization of views. Cheers, Kent",soc.religion.christian 3561," I recall reading a review article in PC Computing wherein they reported a reduction in the loading time for lengthy programs using Stacker 3.0. This was not due to the compression algorithm per se, but to the fact that fewer fetches were required during the sequential file access. Does anyone have any actual performance numbers relating to speeds of Stacker and Dblspace?",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3562," I would guess that they won't use Clipper at all. What they will do is use their STU-IIIs amoung themselves and the governmental agencies they need to talk to, and ignore Clipper. After all, if it's not secure enough for the agency/department they are communicating with why should the coprations trust it? ",sci.crypt 3563," Paul- You did a wonderful job of not doing anything humany possible to offend us Catholics; hopefully I can be just as careful in my wording as you were. I also don't want to extend this topic into an entire major issue of debate (anymore than it already is), but just a note or two: 1. Please don't talk about Jesus' ""parents""--the doctrinal positions of the church an unequivocally different regarding Mary and Joseph. I (personally) have never heard of anything being attributed to St. Joseph other than his sainthood; that is, no reference *ever* to him being sinless, assumed into heaven, immaculately conceived, etc.--all these ideas apply only to Mary. 2. I would agree there is very little scriptural evidence for our doctrines about Mary. Needless to say, that presents a significant problem to those who accept the bible as the only source of doctrine. If, however, one turns to the sacred traditions of the undivided Christian Church, there is no problem finding plently of evidence that it was basically a unanimous belief among the apostles and all the early generation that Mary was assumed into heaven, body and soul, etc. etc. It wasn't until the reformation that these doctrines were called into question. As far as I am concerned (again, my personaly feelings) if it's a choice between the apostles or Luther, I'll choose the apostles every time, whether or not it is recorded within the writings that the traditions of men have determined to be ""the bible"".",soc.religion.christian 3564,"From article <93859@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone): I second that motion wholeheartedly. Also, how about s**tcanning the cigarette cops (a.k.a. as the ATF). Comments anyone? Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot",talk.politics.guns 3565,"My friend has a Macintosh IIfx on which he is running System 6.0.7 (not enough memory yet to run Sys7 adequately), and he noticed that when he tries to use Multifinder on this machine, the machine will beep every few seconds incessantly, nonstop. Now, this friend has a tendency to ""install"" things on his machine rather haphazardly, but he *did* rebuild his System from scratch and it still occurs. Does this problem sound familiar at all to anyone? For all I know the problem is caused by something really obscure but if this is a known simple thing (yeah, right...) that someone is familiar with (like ""System 6.0.7 Multifinder doesn't run on a Mac IIfx""), or if someone here knows what he should be looking for, please send e-mail either to me or to him (smh@vaxf.acdnj.itt.com). Thanx in advance.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3566," I'm 99&44/100% positive that uwm isn't ICCCM compliant. If you want it, the R4 sources are still available on export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) in /pub/R4. --",comp.windows.x 3567,"Recently I've come upon a body of literature which promotes colon cleansing as a vital aid to preventive medicine through nutrition. In particular, Dr. Bernard Jenssen in his book ""Colon Cleansing for Health and Longevity"" -- the title actually escapes me, but it is very similar to that -- claims that regular self-administered colonics, along with certain orally ingested ""debris-loosening agents"", boosts the immune system to a significant degree. He also plugs a unique appliance called the ""Colema Board"", which facilitates the self-administration of colonics. It sells for over $100 from a California-based company. He also plugs Vitra-Tox products as his chemical agents of choice: these include volcanic ash, supposedly for its electrical charge, and psyllium powder, for its bulkiness. If anyone knows anything about colon cleansing theory, its particulars, or the Colema Board and related products, I'd be very interested to hear about research and personal experience. This article is crossposted to alt.magick as the issue touches upon fasting and cleansing through a ""ritual"" system of purification. -- Eli ",sci.med 3568," No. All that I've seen have also an on-board BIOS which enables you to use up to 2 hard drives directly under DOS (2 drives is a DOS limitation and you have the same problem with IDE and all other standards for that matter). Software drivers often allow for better performance, though. You have to use them if you want to use other devices besides hard disks or have more than 2 disks. Obviously these are not able to use the 16-bit real mode BIOSes that are written for DOS, so you need software drivers. That's not a big deal (as long as the drivers are available), because you won't have to fight with any low memory problems either.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3569," Oboy, this is exciting. First you discuss your non-existent literature tastes, then your fantasies, and now your choices of historical revisionism. Are you related to 'Arromdians' of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? The Agreement on the Exchange of Minorities uses the term 'Turks,' which demonstrates what is actually meant by the previous reference to 'Muslims.' The fact that the Greek governments also mention the existence of a few thousand non-Turkish Muslims does not change the essential reality that there lives in Western Thrace a much bigger Turkish minority. The 'Pomaks' are also a Muslim people, whom all the three nations (Bulgarians, Turks, and Greeks) consider as part of themselves. Do you know how the Muslim Turkish minority was organized according to the agreements? It also proves that the Turkish people are trapped in Greece and the Greek people are free to settle anywhere in the world. The Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish minority. They pursue the same denial in connection with the Macedonians of Greece. Talk about oppression. In addition, in 1980 the 'democratic' Greek Parliament passed Law No. 1091, virtually taking over the administration of the vakiflar and other charitable trusts. They have ceased to be self-supporting religious and cultural entities. Talk about fascism. The Greek governments are attempting to appoint the muftus, irrespective of the will of the Turkish minority, as state official. Although the Orthodox Church has full authority in similar matters in Greece, the Muslim Turkish minority will have no say in electing its religious leaders. Talk about democracy. The government of Greece has recently destroyed an Islamic convention in Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an attitude against the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a violation of the Lausanne Convention as well as the 'so-called' Greek Constitution, which is supposed to guarantee the protection of historical monuments. The government of Greece, on the other hand, is building new churches in remote villages as a complementary step toward Hellenizing the region. The longstanding use of the adjective 'Turkish' in titles and on signboards is prohibited. The Greek courts have ordered the closure of the Turkish Teachers' Association, the Komotini Turkish Youth Association and the Ksanti Turkish Association on grounds that there are no Turks in Western Thrace. Such community associations had been active until 1984. But they were first told to remove the word 'Turkish' on their buildings and on their official papers and then eventually close down. This is also the final verdict (November 4, 1987) of the Greek High Court. Helsinki Watch, a well-known Human Rights group, had been investigating the plight of the Turkish Minority in Greece. In August 1990, their findings were published in a report titled 'Destroying Ethnic Identity: Turks of Greece.' The report confirmed gross violations of the Human Rights of the Turkish minority by the Greek authorities. It says for instance, the Greek government recently destroyed an Islamic convent in Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an attitude against the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a violation of the Lausanne Convention. HELSINKI WATCH: ""PROBLEMS OF TURKS IN WESTERN THRACE CONTINUE"" Ankara (A.A) In a 15-page report of the ""Helsinki Watch"" it is stated that the Turkish minority in Western Thrace is still faced with problems and stipulated that the discriminatory policy being implemented by the Greek Government be brought to an end. The report on Western Thrace emphasized that the Greek government should grant social and political rights to all the members of minorities that are equal to those enjoyed by Greek citizens and in addition they must recognize the existence of the ""Turkish Minority"" in Western Thrace and grant them the right to identify themselves as 'Turks'. NEWSPOT, May 1992 GREECE ISOLATES WEST THRACE TURKS The Xanthi independent MP Ahmet Faikoglu said that the Greek state is trying to cut all contacts and relations of the Turkish minority with Turkey. Pointing out that while the Greek minority living in Istanbul is called ""Greek"" by ethnic definition, only the religion of the minority in Western Thrace is considered. In an interview with Turkish origin. The individuals of the minority living in Western Trace are also Turkish."" Emphasizing the education problem for the Turkish minority in Western Thrace Faikoglu said that according to an agreement signed in 1951 Greece must distribute textbooks printed in Turkey in Turkish minority schools in Western Thrace. Recalling his activities and those of Komotini independent MP Dr. SadIk Ahmet to defend the rights of the Turkish minority, Faikoglu said. ""In fact we helped Greece. Because we prevented Greece, the cradle of democracy, from losing face before European countries by forcing the Greek government to recognize our legal rights."" On Turco-Greek relations, he pointed out that both countries are predestined to live in peace for geographical and historical reasons and said that Turkey and Greece must resist the foreign powers who are trying to create a rift between them by cooperating, adding that in Turkey he observed that there was will to improve relations with Greece. NEWSPOT, January 1993 MACEDONIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS TO FACE TRIAL IN GREECE. Two ethnic Macedonian human rights activists will face trial in Athens for alleged crimes against the Greek state, according to a Court Summons (No. 5445) obtained by MILS. Hristos Sideropoulos and Tashko Bulev (or Anastasios Bulis) have been charged under Greek criminal law for making comments in an Athenian magazine. Sideropoulos and Bulev gave an interview to the Greek weekly magazine ""ENA"" on March 11, 1992, and said that they as Macedonians were denied basic human rights in Greece and would field an ethnic Macedonian candidate for the up-coming Greek general election. Bulev said in the interview: ""I am not Greek, I am Macedonian."" Sideropoulos said in the article that ""Greece should recognise Macedonia. The allegations regarding territorial aspirations against Greece are tales... We are in a panic to secure the border, at a time when the borders and barriers within the EEC are falling."" The main charge against the two, according to the court summons, was that ""they have spread...intentionally false information which might create unrest and fear among the citizens, and might affect the public security or harm the international interests of the country (Greece)."" The Greek state does not recognise the existence of a Macedonian ethnicity. There are believed to be between 350,000 to 1,000,000 ethnic Macedonians living within Greece, largely concentrated in the north. It is a crime against the Greek state if anyone declares themselves Macedonian. In 1913 Greece, Serbia-Yugoslavia and Bulgaria partioned Macedonia into three pieces. In 1919 Albania took 50 Macedonian villages. The part under Serbo-Yugoslav occupation broke away in 1991 as the independent Republic of Macedonia. There are 1.5 million Macedonians in the Republic; 500,000 in Bulgaria; 150,000 in Albania; and 300,000 in Serbia proper. Sideropoulos has been a long time campaigner for Macedonian human rights in Greece, and lost his job as a forestry worker a few years ago. He was even exiled to an obscure Greek island in the mediteranean. Only pressure from Amnesty International forced the Greek government to allow him to return to his home town of Florina (Lerin) in Northern Greece (Aegean Macedonia), where the majority of ethnic Macedonians live. Balkan watchers see the Sideropoulos affair as a show trial in which Greece is desperate to clamp down on internal dissent, especially when it comes to the issue of recognition for its northern neighbour, the Republic of Macedonia. Last year the State Department of the United States condemned Greece for its bad treatment of ethnic Macedonians and Turks (who largely live in Western Thrace). But it remains to be seen if the US government will do anything until the Presidential elections are over. ================================================================ M. I. L. S. ================================================================ 91, Rue du Craetveld - Kraatveldstraat 91 Orce Nikolov 28 1120 BRUSSELS, Belgium SKOPJE, Macedonia tel/fax: +32/2/268 18 48 tel/fax:+38 91 201 566 modem: +32/2/262 28 97 n.acc: Famibank-Citibank Belgium 954 8691431 92 Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 3570,": I heard on the radio today about a Christian student conference where : Christians were called to ""repent"" of America's ""national"" sins, such : as sexual promiscuity. : : To which I reply: ...whoa there! : : How can I repent of _someone else's_ sin? I can't. : : And when I claim to ""repent"" of someone else's sin, am I not in fact : _judging_ him? Jesus equipped us to judge activities but warned us : not to judge people. ""Judge not that ye be not judged."" : : C. S. Lewis made the same point in an essay after World War II, : when some Christian leaders in Britain were urging ""national repentance"" : for the horrors (sins???) of World War II. : -- I see your point, but I cannot more strongly disagree. To repent means to turn around. We, as a nation, have behaved incredibly arrogantly toward God condoning, encouraging, and even forcing folks to participate in activity directly opposed to the written Word of God. We have arrogantly set our nation far above the God who created it and allowed us the luxury of living in this land. We have set a bad example for other nations. We've slaughtered unborn children by the millions. We have stricken the name of God from the classroom. We've cheated God out of the honor due Him at every turn, and we owe God an apology every bit as public as our sins have been. When Jesus said ""Judge not that ye be not judged"", he was not addressing those like John the Baptist who had repented and were calling others to repent. He was addressing those who remained in sin while heaping down condemnation on others for their sins. His message to us all was to remove the log from our own eye before removing the speck from our brother's. But He also said to rebuke and to reprove. Don't forget that this is a command too. Our problem today is that we tend to judge and condemn as though we were rebuking and we tend to neglect bringing folks back to the Lord with the excuse that we don't want to judge anyone. In truth, what we need to do is to judge less and call others to repent more and to be able to distinguish between the two in our own motives. Call sin what it is and do so openly. Let it's charge fall correctly where it should. But instead of running someone into hell over it, pull them out of their hellward path and onto the heavenward path. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I deplore the horrible crime of child murder... We want prevention, not merely punishment. We must reach the root of the evil... It is practiced by those whose inmost souls revolt from the dreadful deed... No mater what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed... but oh! thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime.""",soc.religion.christian 3571,"Given that all the source code contains explicit permission to use or modify the code without fee in addition to the shareware notice, I would say that the shareware notice is unenforceable. All you need to do is make minor changes to create a derivative work which is explicitly allowed under the first part of the copyright notice. Of course, this would be circumventing the author's wishes on the subject, but I'd say if you're not going to pay him no matter what, you'd be on relatively safe ground with that approach... In fact, given the internal contradictions of the copyright notices, I'd guess none of it could ever be enforced, but not being a lawyer, I can't be positive. Regardless, the fees he's asking are not excessive, and I would encourage anyone who wants to use the program to pay them if at all possible. Even though it is unlikely that you have actual legal obligations to pay the author, it would be reasonable to do so, to support his efforts if nothing else. - Brad ",comp.windows.x 3572," Typical (in the old 2x-oversampling units) was a thirteen-tap FIR, implemented as a dedicated hardware addition circuit. At this kind of speed (slow, by digital standards) such an adder is much less expensive than analog components of comparable precision. I gleaned this information from a hardware manual for an old CD player design; where one would find similar info for a particular CD (the digital filter IS an interesting component, from my point of view), I have no idea. The digital filter is a kind of interpolation scheme (read a book on numerical analysis, to see just how BROAD the term 'interpolation' is...), ",sci.electronics 3573," Saw it in t.p.m., thanks. Yes, and the individual is not omitted; I just didn't fully articulate the principles of Fractal Federalism. All government powers derive from the People; each level can receive a new power from the level below through the amendment process, where a true consensus (say a 3/4 majority) writes that power into the Constitution of the level above (in the case of the lowest level, an amendement is passed by a 3/4 majority vote; in the case of higher levels, it must be passed by 3/4 of the legislatures. We can of course haggle about the specifics of ""true consensus"" when we hold our Constitutional Convention :-). Once a power has been granted, it may be exercised by the legislature. Powers not in the original Constitutions must percolate upward, starting from the individual. The ratification process for the original Constitutions should involve consensus and not simply a plurality or majority. Granting a ""right"" in a constitution is of course the same as empowering the government at that level to restrict the activities of the governments at the lower levels, so it operates in the same way as the amendment process (again, that crazy resemblance to the supposed-but-not-actual U.S. government structure). This government structure is a very frustrating one for those people (read- ""liberals"") who would like to have concentrated power to use the government to force people to do ""good"" (a difficult-to-define word, and one that it is difficult to reach a consensus on). It is also a frustrating structure for those who want to use the government to dictate personal behavior (read- ""big-government conservatives""). I personally would rather see those types of people frustrated than the incredible erosion of liberty (both civil and economic) that is going on now. This is IMHO a ""good"" government stucture for those who see the role of government as the protection of individual liberties, while still recognizing that individuals need to have some influence in the type of community that they live in. One which maintains peace, liberty, and the opportunity for happiness for its people, while working within the realities of human nature. You do bring up the point (intentional or not) that a ""lasting"" idea is by no means necessarily a ""successful"" idea. I believe that Fractal Federalism would at least bring many ideas to light, and The People would have the opportunity to democratically choose between ""good"" ideas and ""bad"" ideas. If the Docialists, er, I mean Democrats are right and government activism fosters a prosperous People, they will have a plethora of local opportunities to check their thesis. If Libertopia is possible, it will arise. If a balanced Conservative Republic is democratically received as the best level of government activity, it will become clear to The People that it is best. Right, and people would not rescind any freedoms (read- ""empower the government"") except through the amendment process. That is how the Federal Government is supposed to work now, but the Supreme Soviet, er, I mean the Supreme Court put a stop to that ""republican government"" nonsense. In my hypothetical government, if there were a constitutional provision empowering the government to regulate churches the government (whatever level we are talking about) could indeed ban churches. The constitutional provision would be invalid if a higher level had a constitutional provision protecting free exercise of religion. The uppermost Constitution is still the Supreme Law of the Land. It is a matter of individuals being able to control their own associations and environment, not a matter of suppression of ideas. One dilemma of the human condition is that individuals need liberty, and they also need to have some control over their environment. In my ""Fractal Federalism"" government, certain ""rights"" are protected by the constitutions. Other ""rights"" are protected simply because the government has not been empowered to infringe upon them. When a consensus is reached that the government should have a certain power, then freedom is infringed upon. This cannot be avoided -- murder statutes infringe upon freedom, but I think that the consensus of the American people is that murder statutes are a good idea. I am sure that many parents believe that they have a ""right"" to control the environment that their children live in. People feel that they have a ""right"" to sleep peacefully at night; thus, there are noise ordinances. There are zoning laws that keep businesses from overrunning residential neighborhoods. I do not view these as bad things (certainly some individual instances are bad, but the concept is not necessarily bad), I view them as the people in a community having some control over the type of community that they live in. I see the alternative as near anarchy. Like I said in another post, if you can come up with a scenario where an individual can do something truly autonomously -- with absolutely zero effect on anyone else -- then no individual or government has the right to restrict that activity. There are simply not very many behaviors that fit into the category of the truly autonomous, so the whole thing becomes an issue of one individual or group having power over another individual or group. I think that the ""Fractal Federalism"" approach is a sound, if not ideal, approach to limiting this restrictive power. The libertarian scenario degenerates to ""might makes right,"" and the system we have right now is one of ""lawyers abusing natural rights philosophy to decide what powers the government should have by subverting the democratic process though the Supreme Court."" I think I answered this above already, but let me expand a little more with an example. If I stand naked in front of your house and masturbate in front of your children while they play, in your libertarian (small 'l') scenario the only recourse you have is to yell at me. ""Autonomous"" is a value judgement 99.99% of the time, it is not a scientific reality with a clear definition. Exactly who would you empower to make that value judgement? Lots of people are long on complaints and short on practical solutions. Although I am pessimistic that my idea will ever bear fruit, I am at least trying to be long on solutions also. I am truly interested if you have any improvements to make on my ideas (I call them ""my ideas"", but they all come from an ""average guy"" reading of the U.S. Constitution without benefit of the indoctrination of Constitutional Law academia). Sorry, the confusion was my fault. When I said that ""Fractal Federalism"" resembles the U.S. constitution, I meant it and thought it was pretty clear. I should have more clearly explained that the ultimate derivation of government power is from the CONSENSUS of the people (although not the CONSENT of every individual; a practical observation, not a moral judgement). It is certainly better than having all government power derive from nine lawyers, which is the situation we have now. That is why I think the Supreme Court should be a jury court, with a different jury for each case. It is certainly not perfect (no philosophy of government is), but do you still find it a repugnant idea? If so, what is your solution? I think that you misunderstood the structure of the form of government I advocate, and it was my fault for not being more clear. The majority does not make the rules. The majority (or possibly a plurality) simply elects representatives to exercise limited government powers; those limited government powers derive from a large consensus, not a simple majority. And the Federal Government, in my scenario, still has the power to protect freedoms. Matt Freivald -------------------------------------------------------------------------- LiBORGalism: THINKING IS IRRELEVANT. INTEGRITY IS IRRELEVANT. FREE SPEECH IS IRRELEVANT. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS IRRELEVANT. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS IRRELEVANT. CONSERVATIVISM IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY AND NOT THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!",talk.politics.misc 3574,"Does anyone know what the differences are between the Stylewriter and the Stylewriter II? Please respond via e-mail to: l.d.sanders@larc.nasa.gov Thanks. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Lyle D. Sanders L.D.Sanders@LaRC.NASA.GOV UNISYS Government Systems Inc. (128.155.4.44) Mail Stop 157-B (804) 864-7470 VOICE NASA Langley Research Center (804) 864-7604 FAX Hampton, VA 23681-0001 ______________________________________________________________________________",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3575," I think it's known, but it's neat. Can it be extended to 3D?",comp.graphics 3576,"Does anyone know where I can get some voice synthesis chips?? I am looking for something like the ones that do the time and date stamp on answering machines. ",sci.electronics 3577,": >Prove it. I have a source that says that to date, the civilian death count : >(er, excuse me, I mean ""collateral damage"") is about 200,000. : : I have _never_ seen any source that was claiming such a figure. Please : post the source so its reliability can be judged. This figure would not simply be deaths by bombing, but also death later from disease (the sewer system of Baghdad was deliberately targeted) and starvation. I believe (but when I get a copy of the latest research in June or July) that this was the figure proposed in the Census Bureau report on the matter. The report was suppressed and the CB attempted to sack the author of the report, but failed due to procedural technicality. The author is now on permanent leave. ",alt.atheism 3578,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Please note that the following speech was made by Chuck Hammill in 1987. Address all letters to his address, given at the end of this document. -- Russell FROM CROSSBOWS TO CRYPTOGRAPHY: THWARTING THE STATE VIA TECHNOLOGY Given at the Future of Freedom Conference, November 1987 You know, technology--and particularly computer technology--has often gotten a bad rap in Libertarian cir- cles. We tend to think of Orwell's 1984, or Terry Gilliam's Brazil, or the proximity detectors keeping East Berlin's slave/citizens on their own side of the border, or the so- phisticated bugging devices Nixon used to harass those on his ""enemies list."" Or, we recognize that for the price of a ticket on the Concorde we can fly at twice the speed of sound, but only if we first walk thru a magnetometer run by a government policeman, and permit him to paw thru our be- longings if it beeps. But I think that mind-set is a mistake. Before there were cattle prods, governments tortured their prisoners with clubs and rubber hoses. Before there were lasers for eavesdropping, governments used binoculars and lip-readers. Though government certainly uses technology to oppress, the evil lies not in the tools but in the wielder of the tools. In fact, technology represents one of the most promis- ing avenues available for re-capturing our freedoms from those who have stolen them. By its very nature, it favors the bright (who can put it to use) over the dull (who can- not). It favors the adaptable (who are quick to see the merit of the new (over the sluggish (who cling to time- tested ways). And what two better words are there to de- scribe government bureaucracy than ""dull"" and ""sluggish""? One of the clearest, classic triumphs of technology over tyranny I see is the invention of the man-portable crossbow. With it, an untrained peasant could now reliably and lethally engage a target out to fifty meters--even if that target were a mounted, chain-mailed knight. (Unlike the longbow, which, admittedly was more powerful, and could get off more shots per unit time, the crossbow required no formal training to utilize. Whereas the longbow required elaborate visual, tactile and kinesthetic coordination to achieve any degree of accuracy, the wielder of a crossbow could simply put the weapon to his shoulder, sight along the arrow itself, and be reasonably assured of hitting his tar- get.) Moreover, since just about the only mounted knights likely to visit your average peasant would be government soldiers and tax collectors, the utility of the device was plain: With it, the common rabble could defend themselves not only against one another, but against their governmental masters. It was the medieval equivalent of the armor- piercing bullet, and, consequently, kings and priests (the medieval equivalent of a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Crossbows) threatened death and excommunication, respec- tively, for its unlawful possession. Looking at later developments, we see how technology like the firearm--particularly the repeating rifle and the handgun, later followed by the Gatling gun and more advanced machine guns--radically altered the balance of interpersonal and inter-group power. Not without reason was the Colt .45 called ""the equalizer."" A frail dance-hall hostess with one in her possession was now fully able to protect herself against the brawniest roughneck in any saloon. Advertise- ments for the period also reflect the merchandising of the repeating cartridge rifle by declaring that ""a man on horseback, armed with one of these rifles, simply cannot be captured."" And, as long as his captors were relying upon flintlocks or single-shot rifles, the quote is doubtless a true one. Updating now to the present, the public-key cipher (with a personal computer to run it) represents an equiv- alent quantum leap--in a defensive weapon. Not only can such a technique be used to protect sensitive data in one's own possession, but it can also permit two strangers to ex- change information over an insecure communications channel--a wiretapped phone line, for example, or skywriting, for that matter)--without ever having previously met to exchange cipher keys. With a thousand-dollar com- puter, you can create a cipher that a multi-megabuck CRAY X-MP can't crack in a year. Within a few years, it should be economically feasible to similarly encrypt voice communi- cations; soon after that, full-color digitized video images. Technology will not only have made wiretapping obsolete, it will have totally demolished government's control over in- formation transfer. I'd like to take just a moment to sketch the mathemat- ics which makes this principle possible. This algorithm is called the RSA algorithm, after Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman who jointly created it. Its security derives from the fact that, if a very large number is the product of two very large primes, then it is extremely difficult to obtain the two prime factors from analysis of their product. ""Ex- tremely"" in the sense that if primes p and q have 100 digits apiece, then their 200-digit product cannot in gen- eral be factored in less than 100 years by the most powerful computer now in existence. The ""public"" part of the key consists of (1) the prod- uct pq of the two large primes p and q, and (2) one fac- tor, call it x , of the product xy where xy = {(p-1) * (q-1) + 1}. The ""private"" part of the key consists of the other factor y. Each block of the text to be encrypted is first turned into an integer--either by using ASCII, or even a simple A=01, B=02, C=03, ... , Z=26 representation. This integer is then raised to the power x (modulo pq) and the resulting integer is then sent as the encrypted message. The receiver decrypts by taking this integer to the (secret) power y (modulo pq). It can be shown that this process will always yield the original number started with. What makes this a groundbreaking development, and why it is called ""public-key"" cryptography,"" is that I can openly publish the product pq and the number x , while keeping secret the number y --so that anyone can send me an encrypted message, namely x a (mod pq) , but only I can recover the original message a , by taking what they send, raising it to the power y and taking the result (mod pq). The risky step (meeting to exchange cipher keys) has been eliminated. So people who may not even trust each other enough to want to meet, may still reliably ex- change encrypted messages--each party having selected and disseminated his own pq and his x , while maintaining the secrecy of his own y. Another benefit of this scheme is the notion of a ""dig- ital signature,"" to enable one to authenticate the source of a given message. Normally, if I want to send you a message, I raise my plaintext a to your x and take the result (mod your pq) and send that. However, if in my message, I take the plaintext a and raise it to my (secret) power y , take the result (mod my pq), then raise that result to your x (mod your pq) and send this, then even after you have normally ""decrypted"" the message, it will still look like garbage. However, if you then raise it to my public power x , and take the result (mod my public pq ), so you will not only recover the ori- ginal plaintext message, but you will know that no one but I could have sent it to you (since no one else knows my secret y). And these are the very concerns by the way that are to- day tormenting the Soviet Union about the whole question of personal computers. On the one hand, they recognize that American schoolchildren are right now growing up with com- puters as commonplace as sliderules used to be--more so, in fact, because there are things computers can do which will interest (and instruct) 3- and 4-year-olds. And it is pre- cisely these students who one generation hence will be going head-to-head against their Soviet counterparts. For the Soviets to hold back might be a suicidal as continuing to teach swordsmanship while your adversaries are learning ballistics. On the other hand, whatever else a personal computer may be, it is also an exquisitely efficient copying machine--a floppy disk will hold upwards of 50,000 words of text, and can be copied in a couple of minutes. If this weren't threatening enough, the computer that performs the copy can also encrypt the data in a fashion that is all but unbreakable. Remember that in Soviet society publicly ac- cessible Xerox machines are unknown. (The relatively few copying machines in existence are controlled more inten- sively than machine guns are in the United States.) Now the ""conservative"" position is that we should not sell these computers to the Soviets, because they could use them in weapons systems. The ""liberal"" position is that we should sell them, in the interests of mutual trade and cooperation--and anyway, if we don't make the sale, there will certainly be some other nation willing to. For my part, I'm ready to suggest that the Libertarian position should be to give them to the Soviets for free, and if necessary, make them take them . . . and if that doesn't work load up an SR-71 Blackbird and air drop them over Moscow in the middle of the night. Paid for by private sub- scription, of course, not taxation . . . I confess that this is not a position that has gained much support among members of the conventional left-right political spectrum, but, af- ter all, in the words of one of Illuminatus's characters, we are political non-Euclideans: The shortest distance to a particular goal may not look anything like what most people would consider a ""straight line."" Taking a long enough world-view, it is arguable that breaking the Soviet govern- ment monopoly on information transfer could better lead to the enfeeblement and, indeed, to the ultimate dissolution of the Soviet empire than would the production of another dozen missiles aimed at Moscow. But there's the rub: A ""long enough"" world view does suggest that the evil, the oppressive, the coercive and the simply stupid will ""get what they deserve,"" but what's not immediately clear is how the rest of us can escape being killed, enslaved, or pauperized in the process. When the liberals and other collectivists began to at- tack freedom, they possessed a reasonably stable, healthy, functioning economy, and almost unlimited time to proceed to hamstring and dismantle it. A policy of political gradualism was at least conceivable. But now, we have patchwork crazy-quilt economy held together by baling wire and spit. The state not only taxes us to ""feed the poor"" while also inducing farmers to slaughter milk cows and drive up food prices--it then simultaneously turns around and sub- sidizes research into agricultural chemicals designed to in- crease yields of milk from the cows left alive. Or witness the fact that a decline in the price of oil is considered as potentially frightening as a comparable increase a few years ago. When the price went up, we were told, the economy risked collapse for for want of energy. The price increase was called the ""moral equivalent of war"" and the Feds swung into action. For the first time in American history, the speed at which you drive your car to work in the morning be- came an issue of Federal concern. Now, when the price of oil drops, again we risk problems, this time because Ameri- can oil companies and Third World basket-case nations who sell oil may not be able to ever pay their debts to our grossly over-extended banks. The suggested panacea is that government should now re-raise the oil prices that OPEC has lowered, via a new oil tax. Since the government is seeking to raise oil prices to about the same extent as OPEC did, what can we call this except the ""moral equivalent of civil war--the government against its own people?"" And, classically, in international trade, can you imag- ine any entity in the world except a government going to court claiming that a vendor was selling it goods too cheaply and demanding not only that that naughty vendor be compelled by the court to raise its prices, but also that it be punished for the act of lowering them in the first place? So while the statists could afford to take a couple of hundred years to trash our economy and our liberties--we certainly cannot count on having an equivalent period of stability in which to reclaim them. I contend that there exists almost a ""black hole"" effect in the evolution of nation-states just as in the evolution of stars. Once free- dom contracts beyond a certain minimum extent, the state warps the fabric of the political continuum about itself to the degree that subsequent re-emergence of freedom becomes all but impossible. A good illustration of this can be seen in the area of so-called ""welfare"" payments. When those who sup at the public trough outnumber (and thus outvote) those whose taxes must replenish the trough, then what possible choice has a democracy but to perpetuate and expand the tak- ing from the few for the unearned benefit of the many? Go down to the nearest ""welfare"" office, find just two people on the dole . . . and recognize that between them they form a voting bloc that can forever outvote you on the question of who owns your life--and the fruits of your life's labor. So essentially those who love liberty need an ""edge"" of some sort if we're ultimately going to prevail. We obvi- ously can't use the altruists' ""other-directedness"" of ""work, slave, suffer, sacrifice, so that next generation of a billion random strangers can live in a better world."" Recognize that, however immoral such an appeal might be, it is nonetheless an extremely powerful one in today's culture. If you can convince people to work energetically for a ""cause,"" caring only enough for their personal welfare so as to remain alive enough and healthy enough to continue working--then you have a truly massive reservoir of energy to draw from. Equally clearly, this is just the sort of ap- peal which tautologically cannot be utilized for egoistic or libertarian goals. If I were to stand up before you tonight and say something like, ""Listen, follow me as I enunciate my noble ""cause,"" contribute your money to support the ""cause,"" give up your free time to work for the ""cause,"" strive selflessly to bring it about, and then (after you and your children are dead) maybe your children's children will actu- ally live under egoism""--you'd all think I'd gone mad. And of course you'd be right. Because the point I'm trying to make is that libertarianism and/or egoism will be spread if, when, and as, individual libertarians and/or egoists find it profitable and/or enjoyable to do so. And probably only then. While I certainly do not disparage the concept of poli- tical action, I don't believe that it is the only, nor even necessarily the most cost-effective path toward increasing freedom in our time. Consider that, for a fraction of the investment in time, money and effort I might expend in try- ing to convince the state to abolish wiretapping and all forms of censorship--I can teach every libertarian who's in- terested how to use cryptography to abolish them unilaterally. There is a maxim--a proverb--generally attributed to the Eskimoes, which very likely most Libertarians have al- ready heard. And while you likely would not quarrel with the saying, you might well feel that you've heard it often enough already, and that it has nothing further to teach us, and moreover, that maybe you're even tired of hearing it. I shall therefore repeat it now: If you give a man a fish, the saying runs, you feed him for a day. But if you teach a man how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime. Your exposure to the quote was probably in some sort of a ""workfare"" vs. ""welfare"" context; namely, that if you genuinely wish to help someone in need, you should teach him how to earn his sustenance, not simply how to beg for it. And of course this is true, if only because the next time he is hungry, there might not be anybody around willing or even able to give him a fish, whereas with the information on how to fish, he is completely self sufficient. But I submit that this exhausts only the first order content of the quote, and if there were nothing further to glean from it, I would have wasted your time by citing it again. After all, it seems to have almost a crypto-altruist slant, as though to imply that we should structure our ac- tivities so as to maximize the benefits to such hungry beggars as we may encounter. But consider: Suppose this Eskimo doesn't know how to fish, but he does know how to hunt walruses. You, on the other hand, have often gone hungry while traveling thru walrus country because you had no idea how to catch the damn things, and they ate most of the fish you could catch. And now suppose the two of you decide to exchange information, bartering fishing knowledge for hunting knowledge. Well, the first thing to observe is that a transaction of this type categorically and unambiguously refutes the Marxist premise that every trade must have a ""winner"" and a ""loser;"" the idea that if one person gains, it must necessarily be at the ""expense"" of another person who loses. Clearly, under this scenario, such is not the case. Each party has gained some- thing he did not have before, and neither has been dimin- ished in any way. When it comes to exchange of information (rather than material objects) life is no longer a zero-sum game. This is an extremely powerful notion. The ""law of diminishing returns,"" the ""first and second laws of thermodynamics""--all those ""laws"" which constrain our possi- bilities in other contexts--no longer bind us! Now that's anarchy! Or consider another possibility: Suppose this hungry Eskimo never learned to fish because the ruler of his nation-state had decreed fishing illegal. Because fish contain dangerous tiny bones, and sometimes sharp spines, he tells us, the state has decreed that their consumption--and even their possession--are too hazardous to the people's health to be permitted . . . even by knowledgeable, willing adults. Perhaps it is because citizens' bodies are thought to be government property, and therefore it is the function of the state to punish those who improperly care for govern- ment property. Or perhaps it is because the state gener- ously extends to competent adults the ""benefits"" it provides to children and to the mentally ill: namely, a full-time, all-pervasive supervisory conservatorship--so that they need not trouble themselves with making choices about behavior thought physically risky or morally ""naughty."" But, in any case, you stare stupefied, while your Eskimo informant re- lates how this law is taken so seriously that a friend of his was recently imprisoned for years for the crime of ""pos- session of nine ounces of trout with intent to distribute."" Now you may conclude that a society so grotesquely oppressive as to enforce a law of this type is simply an affront to the dignity of all human beings. You may go far- ther and decide to commit some portion of your discretion- ary, recreational time specifically to the task of thwarting this tyrant's goal. (Your rationale may be ""altruistic"" in the sense of wanting to liberate the oppressed, or ""egoistic"" in the sense of proving you can outsmart the oppressor--or very likely some combination of these or per- haps even other motives.) But, since you have zero desire to become a martyr to your ""cause,"" you're not about to mount a military campaign, or even try to run a boatload of fish through the blockade. However, it is here that technology--and in particular in- formation technology--can multiply your efficacy literally a hundredfold. I say ""literally,"" because for a fraction of the effort (and virtually none of the risk) attendant to smuggling in a hundred fish, you can quite readily produce a hundred Xerox copies of fishing instructions. (If the tar- geted government, like present-day America, at least permits open discussion of topics whose implementation is re- stricted, then that should suffice. But, if the government attempts to suppress the flow of information as well, then you will have to take a little more effort and perhaps write your fishing manual on a floppy disk encrypted according to your mythical Eskimo's public-key parameters. But as far as increasing real-world access to fish you have made genuine nonzero headway--which may continue to snowball as others re-disseminate the information you have provided. And you have not had to waste any of your time trying to convert id- eological adversaries, or even trying to win over the unde- cided. Recall Harry Browne's dictum from ""Freedom in an Unfree World"" that the success of any endeavor is in general inversely proportional to the number of people whose persua- sion is necessary to its fulfilment. If you look at history, you cannot deny that it has been dramatically shaped by men with names like Washington, Lincoln, . . . Nixon . . . Marcos . . . Duvalier . . . Khadaffi . . . and their ilk. But it has also been shaped by people with names like Edison, Curie, Marconi, Tesla and Wozniak. And this latter shaping has been at least as per- vasive, and not nearly so bloody. And that's where I'm trying to take The LiberTech Project. Rather than beseeching the state to please not en- slave, plunder or constrain us, I propose a libertarian net- work spreading the technologies by which we may seize freedom for ourselves. But here we must be a bit careful. While it is not (at present) illegal to encrypt information when government wants to spy on you, there is no guarantee of what the fu- ture may hold. There have been bills introduced, for exam- ple, which would have made it a crime to wear body armor when government wants to shoot you. That is, if you were to commit certain crimes while wearing a Kevlar vest, then that fact would constitute a separate federal crime of its own. This law to my knowledge has not passed . . . yet . . . but it does indicate how government thinks. Other technological applications, however, do indeed pose legal risks. We recognize, for example, that anyone who helped a pre-Civil War slave escape on the ""underground railroad"" was making a clearly illegal use of technology--as the sovereign government of the United States of America at that time found the buying and selling of human beings quite as acceptable as the buying and selling of cattle. Simi- larly, during Prohibition, anyone who used his bathtub to ferment yeast and sugar into the illegal psychoactive drug, alcohol--the controlled substance, wine--was using technol- ogy in a way that could get him shot dead by federal agents for his ""crime""--unfortunately not to be restored to life when Congress reversed itself and re-permitted use of this drug. So . . . to quote a former President, un-indicted co- conspirator and pardoned felon . . . ""Let me make one thing perfectly clear:"" The LiberTech Project does not advocate, participate in, or conspire in the violation of any law--no matter how oppressive, unconstitutional or simply stupid such law may be. It does engage in description (for educa- tional and informational purposes only) of technological processes, and some of these processes (like flying a plane or manufacturing a firearm) may well require appropriate li- censing to perform legally. Fortunately, no license is needed for the distribution or receipt of information it- self. So, the next time you look at the political scene and despair, thinking, ""Well, if 51% of the nation and 51% of this State, and 51% of this city have to turn Libertarian before I'll be free, then somebody might as well cut my goddamn throat now, and put me out of my misery""--recognize that such is not the case. There exist ways to make your- self free. If you wish to explore such techniques via the Project, you are welcome to give me your name and address--or a fake name and mail drop, for that matter--and you'll go on the mailing list for my erratically-published newsletter. Any friends or acquaintances whom you think would be interested are welcome as well. I'm not even asking for stamped self- addressed envelopes, since my printer can handle mailing la- bels and actual postage costs are down in the noise compared with the other efforts in getting an issue out. If you should have an idea to share, or even a useful product to plug, I'll be glad to have you write it up for publication. Even if you want to be the proverbial ""free rider"" and just benefit from what others contribute--you're still welcome: Everything will be public domain; feel free to copy it or give it away (or sell it, for that matter, 'cause if you can get money for it while I'm taking full-page ads trying to give it away, you're certainly entitled to your capitalist profit . . .) Anyway, every application of these principles should make the world just a little freer, and I'm certainly willing to underwrite that, at least for the forseeable fu- ture. I will leave you with one final thought: If you don't learn how to beat your plowshares into swords before they outlaw swords, then you sure as HELL ought to learn before they outlaw plowshares too. --Chuck Hammill THE LIBERTECH PROJECT 3194 Queensbury Drive Los Angeles, California 90064 310-836-4157 hammill@netcom.com [The above LiberTech address was updated December 1992, with the permission of Chuck Hammill, by Russell Whitaker] Those interested in the issues raised in this piece should participate in at least these newsgroups: alt.privacy alt.security.pgp comp.org.eff.talk sci.crypt A copy of the RSA-based public key encryption program, PGP 2.1 (Pretty Good Privacy), can be obtained at various ftp sites around the world. One such site is gate.demon.co.uk, where an MS-DOS version can be had by anonymous ftp as pgp22.zip in /pub/pgp. Versions for other operating systems, including UNIX variants and Macintosh, are also available. Source code is also available. Here's the blurb for PGP, by the way: - ---------------------- Quote ---------------------------------------- PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) ver 2.2 - RSA public-key encryption freeware for MSDOS, protects E-mail. Lets you communicate securely with people you've never met, with no secure channels needed for prior exchange of keys. Well featured and fast! Excellent user documentation. PGP has sophisticated key management, an RSA/conventional hybrid encryption scheme, message digests for digital signatures, data compression before encryption, and good ergonomic design. Source code is free. Filenames: pgp22.zip (executable and manuals), pgp22src.zip (sources) Keywords: PGP, Pretty Good Privacy, RSA, public key, encryption, privacy, authentication, signatures, email - ---------------------- End Quote ------------------------------------- Russell Earl Whitaker whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk Communications Editor AMiX: RWhitaker EXTROPY: The Journal of Transhumanist Thought Board member, Extropy Institute (ExI) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2",sci.crypt 3579," And this search procedure must also follow the rule of law. It may, if necessary, when the search is executed in an illegal and violent fashion. These ""criminals"" were threatening the lives of NO ONE -- they were fired on FIRST, according to a number of accounts. Wrong. Firing a gun at someone is lethal force, even if no one is hit. Of course, they DID hit AND kill people. You are silly. There are no such warrants in existence, Phill. Thanks, Phill, for another example of that great socialist sensitivity. ""Obey the government or die."" *PLONK* -- ",talk.politics.misc 3580,". . . David gives good explaination of the deductions from the isotropic, 'edged' distribution, to whit, they are either part of the Universe or part of the Oort cloud. Why couldn't they be Earth centred, with the edge occuring at the edge of the gravisphere? I know there isn't any mechanism for them, but there isn't a mechanism for the others either.",sci.space 3581,"Within a few months, I'll be looking for a job in 3d computer graphics software. I'm in need of info on companies that do it. There's nothing in any of the FAQ's for this group, and nothing at siggraph.org (at least I couldn't find anything.) The last Computer Graphics Career Handbook was dated 1991, had info on 40 companies, but nothing specific on any of them. Can people please direct me towards more current and detailed sources of information? I'll post a summary of sources if there's interest. Also, could you please e-mail me, our news server is on the fritz. :( Thanks, Brandon ",comp.graphics 3582,"I was curious as to what people thought of the VW Corrado VR6? That's about it...",rec.autos 3583," The disease you are talking about is toxoplasmosis. It is a protozoan that lives and multiplies within cells. In cats, the protozoan multiplies in the intestinal cells and eggs are shed in the cat's feces. The protozoa can cross the placenta to infect the fetus. The disease may be asymptomatic after the baby is born, or it may be very severe. Toxo may cause blindness and mental retardation. Having a cat in the same apartment should not be a problem; however, pregnant women should not scoop or change the cat's litterbox. In addition, whoever does empty the litterbox should thoroughly wash his/her hands before handling anything else, especially food. Information came from _The Merck Manual, 15th Ed._ I hope this information is helpful to you.",sci.med 3584," Israeli nationalism (also known as Zionism) is the nationalism of the Jewish people. The Jewish people are not a new phenomenon at all. Palestinean nationalism is the nationalism of Arab people. Arabs have been around for a long time. They already have some 2 dozen states, large and small, covering 98% of the Middle East. More specifically, Palestinean nationalism is the nationalism of Arabs from the region of Palestine, just as Egyptian nationalism is the nationalism of Arabs from the region of Egypt. One Palestinean state already exists in what was once known as Palestine: - it is called Jordan. There is no justification in carving out a second and tiny Palestinean state out of the only Jewish state, itself very, very small, just as there is no justification in carving out another American state out of Mexico. ",talk.politics.mideast 3585,"In the Dallas area, I just bought a can (it's for my best friend's bike... a 1986 XLH883, mines got a belt hahahahaha!!!) for $6.79 ($7.35 with tax) at Bates Discount Cycle Parts on the southbound I-35E service road in Farmers Branch just a couple miles north of the I-635/I-35E interchange. They have about a dozen cans left. ",rec.motorcycles 3586,"Tim> NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com Tim> I saw the film on CNN *as* it happend. It was clear from that Tim> tape that the fire started in ONE location. Right where the Tim> tank was attacking, and then had pulled back. There were not Tim> several spots where the fire started, it started in one Tim> location and was spread in the direction of the heavy wind. Tim> The FBI claims to have seen or filmed several starting Tim> points. Yet they keep this hidden. They have spread so much Tim> lies. Well I guess if I was responsible for the mass murder Tim> of 80 people who were exercising constitutional rights, I Tim> would lie about it too... Gosh, Tim, you must have seen a different live broadcast than I did. While the smoke did emerge from one place initially, it was a considerable distance from the tank, and in a very short time, fire appeared at several places a good distance apart from there. Then there's that nagging question about why, out of all those people, only a few made any attempts to escape or save the children. If it were me, with my child, [and I wasn't committing suicide,] I believe I would have made SOME attempt to at least save the child. As it was, at least one of the survivors was attempting to GO BACK INTO THE FIRE when they were physically removed. No one lifted a finger to bring out a child, apparently. How do you explain that? And the two survivors who claimed to have doused the place with lantern oil and SET the fire (no doubt on David's orders). [At least until the lawyers talked to them.] Tim> And also, why have they not yet released the search warrant???? That *is* a good question. Maybe because it would be a further embarrassment, seeing as how the ATF went in there in Dirty Harry mode initially. As stupidly as it all was handled, I find it difficult to believe that the entire FBI has completely gone corrupt under a new administration less than 100 days old. Stupidity and bad decisions and plans have always been with us. They just had an alignment at Waco. Tim> Seeeeee Ya turmoil@halcyon.com FUCK THE POLICE!!!! See? Freedom of speech abounds. L. ""Yeh, Buddy.. | larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)| _~~_ I've got your COMPUTER! | % Physical Science Laboratory | (O)(-) Right HERE!!"" | New Mexico State University | /..\ (computer THIS!) | Las Cruces, New Mexico, USA 88003 | <> ",talk.politics.misc 3587,"What can people tell me about apple's new keyboard, the one that is designed to be more ergonomically friendly? I have begun to experience wrist and hand pains using a standard keyboard, and using a powerbook. What can people with similar experiences tell me? Replies to email please. Paul G. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3588," You don't mention your platform but Digital has a custom widget, NetEd, which does exactly what you want to do. Cost is nominal 300 or so - call your local office. The widget is supported on a variety of platforms and I heard rumblings of porting to Sun, etc. so it may be worth the check.",comp.windows.x 3589," Well, no, during the original deployment mission the HST aperture door was not opened until after the Shuttle had landed. I presume that during a re-boost mission HST would be berthed in the orbiter with the orbiter bay doors shut; but still there would be lots of contamination worries. I understand that the EVA suits are one of the hardest things to keep clean. But I still don't know where the idea is coming from that HST _NEEDS_ a re-boost. We have many problems but our orbit is the least of them. There is certainly no plan to change the orbit in the first servicing mission in December.",sci.space 3590,"My CB750 does it too. The ""Switch Continuity"" section of the wiring diagram looks something like this: HL L H x--x Low x--x--x (N) x-----x High Dean ",rec.motorcycles 3591,"In God, whose word I praise, in God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can mortal man do to me?",talk.religion.misc 3592," > Can't someone describe someone's trinity in simple declarative > sentences that have common meaning? I offer him four attempts. First is an essay by me (largely indebted to Attempts Two and Three), obtainable by sending the message GET TRINITY ANALOGY to LISTSERV@ASUACAD.BITNET or to LISTSERV@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU Second is a couple of books by Dorothy L Sayers: a play called THE ZEAL OF THY HOUSE, and a non-fiction book called THE MIND OF THE MAKER. The play can be found in the book FOUR SACRED PLAYS, and also in various other collections, including one called RELIGIOUS DRAMA (Meridian Books) and one called BEST PLAYS OF 1937. Third is the book MERE CHRISTIANITY by C S Lewis, particularly the last section, called ""Beyond Personality"". Fourth is a book called THEOLOGY FOR BEGINNERS, by the Roman Catholic writer Frank Sheed. I will say that I do not find Sheed's approach altogether satisfying, but I know some persons whose minds I respect who do.",soc.religion.christian 3593,"I have the same problem with a Diamond Stealth VRAM card. Daniel> . ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3594,"Hello, Does anyone know of an image format conversion tool that will convert a raw (8 bit grey scale) image to Gif or Tif format. It would be great if the tool ran on a PC, was a Windows application, and supported other formats, but I'll be happy with anything that works. Attn: Code L10MP Robert LaFollette Dahlgren Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren, VA 22448-5000",comp.graphics 3595," It's not a question just of who is holding the phone. It's a question of what circuit to wiretap in the first place. If two drug dealers are both using stolen cellular phones, the FBI doesn't know which lines to tap -- unless of course they're tapping *all* phones (maybe *all* cellular phones). If they haven't tapped the connection (ie., at least one end of the connection) then they don't know what key to request. ",sci.crypt 3596,"From Bit.listserv.christia Zane writes... From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahan) Subject: Christianity in Crisis Date: Wed May 12 14:43:19 1993 ""Frank, first of all, thanks for all of the great Scripture verses. It was a pleasure to read them."" MY REPLY... You are welcome, Zane. Zane... ""I am sure nothing that I will say will change your mind about it... but I would like to ask you if the book in question really does anything for you. I mean, were you all caught up in the word/faith thing, but now that you have read the book you've been rescued from all of the error and pain that will result in your Christian life?"" MY REPLY... (1) When I first became a Christian, I entered into the Word/Faith movement. It was easy. I wasn't grounded in the Word of God and sound doctrine. When I visited Christian book stores, the cheapest books I could find to buy were the .50 and $1.00 books by Hagin and others. Consequently, I began receiving Hagin's monthly magazine (and they still send it to me), and also Copeland's (also, still sent to me). It wasn't until I read a booklet by Jimmy Swaggart called _Hyper Faith: The New Gnosticism_ that I began to realize the teachings I were partaking of were error. I started reading the Bible more and studying more. Sure enough, Jimmy was right in many points. As part of my experience, I am alerting Christians, particularly new Christians, that these teachings are heretical and they need to do as the Bereans did in Acts 17:11 - check these teachings out with Scripture! (2) My brother in law was involved in a Word/Faith ""cult"" in my area - it's leader is real good friends with Benny Hinn. Rather then going into much detail about this, suffice it to say he was deceived, mistreated, and has now fallen into atheism. I'm still praying for him (Phil. 1:6). (3) The assistant pastor at the church I teach adult Sunday School in has been a `follower' of Copeland for 15 years. He has thousands of tapes by the Faith teachers. In the class recently, I quoted several of the teachers' heretical statements to his surprise. Since then, I've been able to talk to him at length about these issues. (4) The leader of the Women's Group at my church is a Benny Hinn `fan'. Recently, I found that she has been lending _Good Morning, Holy Spirit_ to women in the church. That prompted my quotes in Sunday School, as well as my lending CIC to people in the church. I'm well aware of the abuses and heresies perpetrated in this movement and have an urgency in my heart and life to warn people about the heresies. What heresies? A. Jesus became sin - took on the very nature of the devil, and became one with him. B. Jesus' death on the cross wasn't enough to atone. C. Jesus was dragged to hell after His death, was beat and abused by Satan and demons, thus finishing our atonement. Satan was ruling over Him there. D. Jesus was `born-again' in hell. E. Jesus died spiritually, lost His divinity, and reassumed it after the resurrection. F. We are gods. These are heresies. Documentation will be provided re: these teachings upon request. Zane... ""Or what does it do for you? Is it preventing you from going out and joining up with the word/faith movement which you'd been contemplating joining for so long, but now that you've read the book, you've been saved from all of that?"" MY REPLY... It wasn't _Christianity In Crisis_ that helped me; it was a booklet by Swaggart that I mentioned above. But CIC is MUCH, MUCH better - tremendous documentation and insights. Zane... ""I don't have a nice Scriptural answer for why I believe it is at best un- profitable for Christians to engage in this type of activity - heresy hunting."" MY REPLY... Why do you call it ""heresy hunting""? ""Hunting"" implies it isn't readily accessible or available. This movement is the fastest growing movement in Christendom. Hagin has sold over 40 million books and booklets. Hinn has sold more books in the last couple of years than Swindoll and Dobson combined. Fred Price has the largest church in terms of seating capacity in the USA. Doesn't sound like much ""hunting"" is needed. It is Scriptural to expose doctrinal error. I gave some verses to you before. More can be given. Most of the epistles were written due to error (doctrinal, practical) in the churches. The early church had numerous councils to expose error and heresy. It's not a new thing. Remember Luther? Zane... ""I would like to point out though, that historically those who hunt heretics often end up causing a bigger mess than the heretics... but this is my un- documented opinion."" MY REPLY... (1) If you can provide documentation, it would be appreciated. (2) Read Ephesians 4:11-16, esp. vss. 13 and 14 and tell me what causes disunity and immaturity in the body. EPH 4:13-14 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting.... Disunity, contrary to popular opinion, isn't caused by exposing error; it's caused by error. Zane... ""There are many who probably give no place for seeing the Scriptures as documenting a Spiritual development or growth in its writers - but I would suggest that the fiery Paul of the letter to the Galatians mellows and matures into the one who loses all for the sake of Love in the End."" MY REPLY... Most scholars believe Paul wrote 2 Timothy last. Let's examine his admonitions to Tim to ascertain how mellow he had become... 2TI 1:13-15 Hold fast the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. That good thing which was committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us. This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me, among whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes. 2TI 2:15-18 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2TI 2:24-26 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. 2TI 3:6-9 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. 2TI 3:12-17 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2TI 4:2-5 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. 2TI 4:14-15 Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works. You also must beware of him, for he has greatly resisted our words. Zane... ""The picture I have of Paul is not of one who goes out of his way to destroy the ministry of wolves... but of one who teaches the sheep, with many tears, the necessity of absolutely not allowing themselves to be transformed into wolves to protect themselves."" MY REPLY... ACT 20:26-31 ""Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. ""For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. ""Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. ""For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. ""Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. ""Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears. Zane... ""For all the warning Paul does, it is of note that he never once drops a name of a wolf.... - but I will admit he cries in his beard at the end over those who have abandoned him - everyone in Asia wasn't it ?"" MY REPLY... Paul mentioned names... 1TI 1:18-20 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme. 2TI 1:15 This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me, among whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes. 2TI 2:16-18 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2TI 4:10 for Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and has departed for Thessalonica--Crescens for Galatia, Titus for Dalmatia. 2TI 4:14-15 Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works. You also must beware of him, for he has greatly resisted our words. So did John... 3JO 1:9-10 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church. Jesus also singled out teachings and doctrines... REV 2:14-16 ""But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. ""Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 'Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth. REV 2:20-23 ""Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. ""And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. ""Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. ""I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. Zane... ""I question too, the purposes of those who write books and build ministries on the faults - deliberate or otherwise - of others. Maybe if they would wander around in the desert eating locust and honey, or barely cakes...with no worldly goods at stake, money to be made, or no reputations to maintain... I would question their motives - conscious or otherwise - less."" MY REPLY... I won't comment on this because it deals with the intangible motives of others. But even if they had bad motives, remember what Paul said... PHI 1:15-18 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from good will: The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice. Zane... ""If we want to be true to the admonitions of Scripture - many of which you list - about protecting ourselves and the flock from wolves and winds of doctrines, I suggest we start by allowing the wolf-program in our own noetic pasture to be nailed to the Cross."" MY REPLY... Please explain. Zane... ""Secondly, I suggest any heresy hunting be restricted to our own fellowships - which in the strict Scriptural sense is the local city-church."" MY REPLY... If heresy was not being propagated over the mass media, then it may not be needed to go mass media with the exposure. Unfortunately, heresy is being taught not just in Copeland's church or Hagin's or Hinn's or Price's, but all over the radio, in print, etc. No pastor or church leader knows what materials the sheep are feeding on outside the church. It's imperative that leadership be made aware of this, and CIC does just that. Also, let's examine a passage of Scripture... * EPH 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, * EPH 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, These ministry gifts that the Lord installs in the church are not just for one individual church, but for ""the body of Christ"". Paul was an apostle - he traveled all over distilling his message. He was also a teacher - 1CO 4:17 For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church. 1CO 7:17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches. Also - 1CO 12:28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. * EPH 4:13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; Notice that the ""Five-Fold"" ministries are going to be around ""till"" the church is in ""unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God to a perfect man"". This, I believe will not occur fully until the Lord Jesus returns (see 1Cor. 13:9-12). But God wants the body to continue on maturing. What hinders maturity and unity of the body? * EPH 4:14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, It's clear that false doctrine, integrated into the church ""by the trickery of men"" causes (1) disunity [the thing we are striving for] and (2) spiritual immaturity - the church continues in spiritual childhood when Christians are ""tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine"". The ""Five -Fold"" ministry, of which there does not appear to be clear Scriptural denominational boundaries (""pastors"" appear responsible for their individual flock), is to deal with these doctrines (when necessary) in their struggle to equip the body. All believers are called to do this to a degree... JUD 1:3-4 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. Zane... ""If you'll notice, in Scripture the heresy hunters that went from Church to Church and area to area, were the ""bad guys"" and they went after the ""good guy"" namely Paul - who they considered to be the arch heretic."" MY REPLY... They were themselves heretics trying to discredit Paul who was preaching contrary to what they taught! Zane... ""Let's face it, the wolves are here for a reason. And we are here for the Reason. And let's hope the wolves become sheep, and the sheep, lambs."" MY REPLY... Yes! 2TI 2:24-26 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. AMEN! Frank",soc.religion.christian 3597,"Subject says it all, though I should specify that I'm looking for solutions that DON'T require me purchasing specific chips, etc.... In other words, is there some sort of neural network circuit I could build after a visit to a local R-Shack?",sci.electronics 3598," yet. I'm not bored either. Most people I know say that winning the second Cup was better than the first but to me nothing will ever top that first one. But I'm every bit as excited this year and I am experiencing that inner calm to which Susan originally referred. Inner calm is not boredom. As far as the arena in general being boring, well Richard's got that right. It's been that way all season. I attribute it to a lot of new fans who just don't have the same spirit and knowledge as long-time fans. At last Tuesday's game, I overheard a man express surprise that a goaltender can get an assist. Anyone who follows sports with regularity knows that anything can happen at any time. I'm confident in the Pens but I'm also not stupid enough to think for one minute that it's impossible for New Jersey to blow them out of this series. I doubt that will happen but it's possible. Bored? Uh-uh. Spoiled? Not in the least. Forgot what excitement is like? Living through that amazing streak wasn't exciting?! I don't take a darned thing for granted. God, look at Chicago... And I see no problem with quietly savoring all of this anyway. It isn't gonna last forever and I intend to enjoy it while I can. ",rec.sport.hockey 3599,"I use the new keyboard with a IIfx, and I like it. I am not a touch typist so some of the advantage is loss on me - but there is difference and less stress on my wrists. Dan -- ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3600," You should have heard Prof. McNally , from my days as an astronomy undergraduate, denouncing photon pollution. It was easy to imagine him taking practical steps to modify the sodium lamps on the street outside Mill Hill observatory with a 12-gauge shotgun :-) However, seriously, it is possible to limit the effects of streetlights, by adding a reflector, so that the light only illuminates the ground, which is after all where you need it. As a bonus, the power consumption required for a given illumination level is reduced. Strangely enough, astronomers often seek to lobby elected local authorities to use such lighting systems, with considerable success in the desert areas around the major US observatories. At least, thats what McNally told us, all those years ago. ( British local authorities couldn`t care less, as far as I can see ) I suppose that the ""right"" to dark skies is no more than an aspiration, but it is a worthwhile one. Illuminated orbital billboards seem especially yukky, and are presumably in the area of international law, if any, although I do find the idea of a right to bear anti-satellite weapons intriguing.",sci.space 3601," Of course. When the catbox begines to smell, simply transfer its contents into the potted plant in the foyer. ""Why Hillary! Your government smells so... FRESH!"" -- ",talk.politics.guns 3602," . . . . . Please don't be insulted, but based on this I would say that your encryption algorithm is very likely not worth the paper it's printed on. If the NSA gave export approval, that means they felt confident that they could crack it -- that's their JOB, mandated by LAW, and I'm sure they believe in what they do. If they gave export approval to an encryption algorithm which they weren't confident of being able to crack, they would be derelict in their sworn duty to monitor foreign communications for US national security related material. Just because many (most?) of us think that the government and the spooks are pugnacious slimeballs is no reason to lose sight of the fact that they do their jobs to the best of their ability, and further that said ability is rather high. I hope that one day we can make them all obsolete....... but until then, we have to cope with their existence. Export approvals are one thing they do that we can learn a lot from, for example. ",sci.crypt 3603," ... There are several different types of Thyroid diseases which would cause a hypothyroid condition (reduction in the output of the thyroid, mainly thyroxin). Except for ones caused by infections, the treatment is generally thyroxin pills. Hypothyroid conditions caused by infections usually disappear when the infection does...this doesn't sound like the case with your wife. Thyroxin orally does ""shut down the thyroid"" through a feedback loop involving the pituitary (I believe). The pituitary ""thinks"" that the correct amount of thyroxin is being produced so it doesn't have to tell the thyroid to produce more. This process is reversable! I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis (an autoimmune condition) and was on thyroxin for approx 6 mo when my endocrinologist suggested I not take the pills for 6 wks. When I was retested for thyroxin levels, they were normal. I still get tested every 6mo because the condition might reappear. The pills are safe and have very few side-affects (& those mostly at beginning of treatment). Having a baby might be a problem and would at least require closer monitoring of hormone levels. Thyroxin controls energy production which explains sleepiness, coldness, and weight gain. There is also water retention (possibly around heart), changes in vision, and coarser hair and skin among other things. I am not a doctor, so I'm sure I mistated something, but the important thing is that thyroid problems are usually easily corrected and if they aren't corrected can cause problems in the rest of the body. Get a second opinion from a good endocrinologist and have him/her explain things in detail to you and your wife.",sci.med 3604," No. I also understand it. I have read the Bible from cover to cover, examining each book within, cross-comparing them, etc. And I have come to same conclusions as Robert Weiss.",talk.religion.misc 3605," Yogurt contains Lactobacillus acidophilus and L. bulgaricus. L. acidophilus is the major bacteria in the vaginal tract and is primarily responsible for keeping the vaginal tract acidic and yeast free. Most of the commercial yogurt sold in the U.S. has a very low L. acidophilus and L. bulgaricus count. Neither of these bacteria are obligate anaerobes with are much more important in dealing with the diarrhea problem. Gordon R. has told me through e-mail that he gives his patients L. acidophilus and several different obligate anaerobes(which set-up shop in the colon) but he hasn't told me which ones yet. The Lactobacillus genera are mostly facultative anaerobes and will set-up shop where they have access to oxygen if given a chance(mouth, anus, sinus cavity and vagina). Having these good bacteria around will greatly decrease the chance of candida blooms in the anal region or the vagina. I have not proposed a systemic action for candida blooms. I know that others swear that all kinds of symptoms arise from the evil yeast blooms in the body. I'm not ready to buy that yet. I do believe that complications at specific sites(vagina, anal and maybe lower colon, sinus and mouth) can result from antibiotic use which removes the competing bacteria from these sites and thus lets candida grow unchecked. Restoring the right bacterial balance is the best way(in my opinion) to get rid of the problem. Anti-fungals, a low carbohydrate diet and vitamin A supplementation may all help to minimize the local irritation until the good bacteria can take over control of the food supply again and lower the pH to basically starve the candida out. ",sci.med 3606," I think that if a theist were truly objective and throws out the notion that God definitely exists and starts from scratch to prove to themselves that the scriptures are the whole truth then that person would no longer be a theist. You're missing something here. There are people who convert from non-theism to theism after being brought up in a non-theist household. (I don't have any statistics as to how many though. That would be an interesting thing to know.) I think that religion is a crutch. People are naturally afraid of the unknown and the unexplainable. People don't want to believe that when they die, they are dead, finished. That there is nothing else after that. And so religion is kind of a nice fantasy. Religion also describes things we don't know about the universe (things science has not yet described) and it also gives people a feeling of security... that if they just do this one thing and everything will be ok. That they are being watched over by a higher power and its minions. This has a very high psychological attraction for quite a few people and these people are willing to put up with a few discrepancies and holes in their belief system for what it gains them. This is why I think it's kind of useless to try too hard to convert theists to atheism. They are happy with their fantasy and they feel that other people will be happy with it too (they can't accept the fact that there are people who would rather accept the harsh reality that they are running from). Anyway, I'm getting kind of carried away here. But my point is that theism doesn't have to be ingrained into a child's mindset for that person to grow up as a theist (although this happens far too often). Theism is designed to have its own attractions. ",talk.religion.misc 3607," Such as?",None 3608,"Dear gentlemen! The firm called ""INTERBUSINESS,LTD"" offers quite inexpensive method to determine ore & oil locations all over the world. In this method used data got from space satellites. Being in your office and using theese data you can get a good statis- tical prognosis of locations mentioned above. This prognosis could be done for any part of the world! If you're interested in details please send E-mail: svn@aoibs.msk.su",sci.space 3609," I'd like to echo these sentiments. This is the worst coverage I can ever remember seeing on CBC. As soon as the game ends, I can count to 30, and by that time, they've signed off the air. No post game interviews, no updating of late scores, nothin'. TSN is really putting CBC to shame. I only hope the later round coverage improves, I mean, who really wants to see CBC PrimeTime News instead of hockey. My $.02, Darren ",rec.sport.hockey 3610," No, it does not. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3611,"I really don't know how you can possibly maintain this hypocritical stance. On the one hand, you imply that there is a conspiracy of Arab-Americans that warrants the illegal gathering of information on them (ie. auto license/ registration information in California) and other forms of ""monitoring"", including blatant attempts by paid ADL agents to discredit an American-Arab organization by trying to distribute Nazi propaganda. Furthermore, you attempt to rationalize this through crude stereotyping by pointing to the WTC bombing, in which Arab-Americans had no involvement. On the other hand, you publish this excerpt, which seems to rail against notions of a racial (Jewish, in this case) conspiracy and stereotypes. If you really aren't the hypocrite you appear to be, please explain yourself. ",talk.politics.mideast 3612," Let's try that again: Why was the BATF concerned about surprise when they intended to serve the warrant by knocking on the door? The BATF appears to be inconsistant in their own description of events. And in any case, how does one mount an ambush if one isn't ""on alert?"" So, were the BATF fired on before or after they left the trailers to knock on the door to serve the warrant? Every description I've heard indicates the BATF did not hang around in the trailers once they decided to open them up. For that matter, if they expect peaceful citizens, why come in live- stock trailers to being with? Ok, just to make sure we've got this straight: You consider armed troops in disguised vehicles and multiple helicopters to be used to serve search warrants on peaceful citizens. (And just so we don't have one of those entertaining shifts, *you* described them as the BATF expecting them to be, peaceful.) I don't see how past abuses excuse present ones. Hell, you're not even discussing the same government. ",talk.politics.misc 3613," Saying ""hopefully the effect of policy X will be Y"" is *much* different from saying ""hopefully if there is any effect of policy X it will be Y."" Here you've made both statements. If the former describes a reasonably-likely outcome of policy X, then perhaps policy X is worthy of consideration - but the latter statement is not something to base policy decisions on! According to groups like the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence (formerly the National Coalition to Ban Handguns - interesting name change, don't you think?) who include murder and suicide by firearms in the ""leading causes of unintentional death) figures but *don't* include murder and suicide by other means as causes of unintentional death. Can't you see past the bullshit? Certainly accidental deaths by any cause are serious things - but the anti-gun groups insist over and over again that accidental death by firearms is a *stastically serious problem*, and even if you don't use these deaths as a justification for gun control, these groups do. I'm sorry if I jumped to conclusions about your reason for mentioning accidental deaths due to firearms being something that warranted concern, but in light of your statement that you are a staunch supporter of gun control measures, I think the conclusion was a reasonable one. The fact remains that tragic though individual accidental gun deaths may be, they are *not* a serious problem statistically speaking. Sorry if it wasn't clear to me. I thought you were waffling on your view of buyback programs with the talk of symbolic offerings and hopefully preventing accidents and heat-of-passion shootings. I have to disagree on all these counts; I can't understand how a buying guns from people who aren't intending to misuse them (obviously those who want to use guns to commit crimes aren't going to turn them in) could be construed as a positive way for police to respond to ""interpersonal violence."" What, the people who publish figures saying that as many children commit suicide by HANDGUNS ALONE each year as the FBI says commit suicide by ALL METHODS per year? Who do you think I should believe? The people who call everyone up to age 24 ""children"" when they're screaming about the ""carnage of our nation's children"" being caused by handguns? Ah, yes, the agency that considers accidental shootings of children to be such a statistical problem that a stated objective in the Healthy People 2000 document is to ""enact laws in 50 states requiring manufacturers of handguns to make the handguns more difficult to fire, minimizing the likelihood of accidental or intentional dscharge by children?"" The agency that funded the ""study"" of DC which pronounced that the DC gun ban had saved X lives (yes, they actually gave us a number) on the basis of a look at the *number* of shootings rather than the *rate* of shootings? It wasn't their fault that the population of DC dropped in their ""post law"" period... Okay, I'll concede I no longer have the numbers I once read on these. I'll retract my dispute of your numbers. However, I would be greatly interested in seeing how CPHV and CDC came up with these numbers. What's this got to do with anything? Hell, when *I* was in elementary school I came home to an empty house with guns in it. Why is this a problem? I didn't touch the guns - I had been taught not to. I had also been taught not to mess with the gasoline in the garage, the fuse box, the car, the knives, the oven, and the tools. The problem is not the guns, it's the parents!!! And what are these states doing with the kids they find with guns? NOTHING. No criminal prosecution, no expulsion, in most cases not even suspension. They take the gun, slap the kids on the wrist, say ""ain't it awful,"" and go on as if everything's back to normal. What's wrong with this picture? I don't think Koresh was the Messiah, either... but isn't it obvious that if he believed the forces of evil were come to destroy him, then he believed the children were much safer inside the compound? I didn't say he was sane... just that he behaved in a pretty rational manner given what he thought was going on. He thought he had them in the one place where harm *wouldn't* come to them. Let's see *you* try to find the exits, unbarricade them, and flee a fire when you've been kept awake for most of 50 days by loudspeakers and subjected to six hours of tanks knocking in your walls and tear gas assault.",talk.politics.guns 3614,"Hypostasis [I've explained it here before. If you want the full document, ask me by mail --Rex] ""Questions arise as we begin to think about LOGOS and what His inner consciousness was composed of. We need to clarify the two natures of Christ briefly. The divine nature, which has existed eternally, did not undertake any essential changes during the incarnation which would cause a conflict with the attributes of God, the foremost of these being His immutability. This would mean that it remained impassable, that is, incapable of suffering and death, free from ignorance and insusceptible to weakness and temptation. In the realm of the divine nature it is better to say that the Son of God became that which was not absolute-and in Himself. The result of the incarnation was that the divine LOGOS could be ignorant and weak, could be tempted and suffer and die, not in His divine nature, but by the derivation of His possession of a human nature. This would mean that both the properties of the divine nature and the human nature are properties of the person, and therefore ascribed to the person. By this reason we can say that the person can be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, yet at the same time be also a man of limited power, knowledge, a man of sorrows, subject to human wants and miseries. There is, however, no penetration of one nature into the other. Deity can no more share the imperfections of humanity than humanity can share in the essential perfection of the Godhead. We are not to assume that there is a double personality due to the possession of the double natures. Christ's human nature is impersonal, in that it attains self-consciousness and self-determination in the personality of the God-man. We must now differentiate between the person and the nature of the Man. Nature is defined: ""the distinguishing qualities or properties of something; the fundamental character, disposition or temperament of a living being, innate and unchangeable."" Nature is then, in essence, the substance possessed in common, in as such the Trinity have one nature. There is also a common nature of mankind. Personality, on the other hand, is the separate subsistence of nature, with the power of consciousness and will. It is for this reason that the human nature of Christ has not, nor ever had, a separate subsistence, that it is impersonal. LOGOS, the God-man, represents the principle of personality. It is equally important to see that self-consciousness and self-determination do not, as such, belong to the nature. It is for this reason that we can justifiably say that Jesus did not have two consciousness or two wills, but rather one. It is theanthropic, an activity of the one personality which unites in itself the human and the divine natures, being that neither the consciousness nor the will are simply human or simply divine."" [The quotation given above is not identified, and it's not entirely clear to me what position Loren is taking on it. Just for clarity, let me note that the view expressed in it is one of the classic Christological heresies -- monothelitism. That's the position that Christ's two natures were not complete, in that there was only one will. In most cases (which I think includes this example), it was the human will that was regarded as missing. Normally people who talk about Christ's human nature as being ""impersonal"" mean it in a somewhat more abstract sense. That is, they are using ""person"" as hypostatis, not in the usual English sense of personality. In this use, the doctrine is called ""anhypostasia"". Personally I think anhypostasia is just a more sophisticated way of denying that the Logos took on humanity fully. However it has never been formally ruled a heresy, and in fact has been held by influential theologians both ancient and modern (e.g. Athanasius). But the quotation above appears to be going farther than even Athanasius went, into the realm of the overtly heretical.",soc.religion.christian 3615," Hey Dan, Some potentially cool story stuff here... Do share the details. *I* never get a break, probably most of us don't either, so please, enlighten and enliven, and let us live vicariously. Waitin' for that story... ",rec.motorcycles 3616," You don't mention your riding area. If you're in the Eastern part of Ontario Canada, I may be able to help. I love 1 day runs and more. More info needed.",rec.motorcycles 3617," Pardon me? Your ignorance cramps my conversation. Although the administrative mechanism was a strictly centralized one, the Ottoman Empire 'was a classical example of a pluralist social order.' The 'millet system' was the mechanism which shaped the social order of the multi-national Ottoman Empire and stood behind its continuity. As a matter of fact, because Islamic principles were in force in the Ottoman Empire, it was natural to use religious criteria to differentiate among the various communities which constituted the Empire. The 'millet' system began to be based on ethnicity in the 19th century under the influence of nationalism. Sousa writes of the existence of thirteen communities in the Ottoman Empire in addition to the Muslim 'millet' in 1914. These were: (1) Greeks attached to the Orthodox Patriarchate in Istanbul; (2) Catholics or Latins who were remnants of Genoese and Venetian merchants; (3) Gregorian Armenians attached to a Patriarchate in Istanbul; (4) Catholic Armenians; (5) Syrian Catholics attached to a Patriarchate in Mardin; (6) Chaldean Catholics attached to a Patriarchate in Mosul; (7) Syrian Jacobites attached to a Patriarchate in Mardin; (8) Protestants; (9) Melchites attached to a Patriarchate in Damascus; (10) Hebrews of two rites; (11) Bulgarian Catholics attached to the Bulgarian Exarch; (12) Maronites; and (13) Nestorians.[1] Scholars who studied the pluralistic social structure outlined briefly above, concluded that the social order of the Ottoman Empire fit the framework of the 'Mosaics Theory.'[2] [1] N. Sousa, ""The Capitulatory Regime of Turkey, its History, Origin and Nature,"" (Baltimore, 1933). [2] C. S. Coon, Caravan: ""The Story of the Middle East,"" (New York, 1951), p. 162 and H. A. R. Gibb/H. Bowen, ""Islamic Society and the West: A Study of the Impact of Western Civilization on Moslem Culture in the Near East,"" (Oxford, 1951). Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 3618,": I have the following problem on X11R5 servers. : : When a window of my is obscured by a pop up window which has : the Save Under attribute set, the subwindows of my window are not restored. : Normally, the subwindows are redrawn when the parent window gets an expose : event, but because the save under attribute is used for the pop up window : that obscured my window, no expose event is sent. We had the same problem and on most of our machines it works if we use Backing Store instead of Save under. Marcus",comp.windows.x 3619,"Thanks for all the recommendations. I have decide to ignore the service indicators and do oil change myself every 3000 miles. Thanks again for all the responses. ",rec.autos 3620," Judging by your .sig you are trying to make some kind of game cartridge. Information of how to build an EEPROM cartidge for the vectrex is available via anonymous ftp at 'csus.edu'. Since you've chosen the 27C512 you are probably trying to make a 'multicart'. To do this simply: 1. Load the game images into the EEPROM at $2000, $4000, etc. (Your EEPROM burner software may allow this or you will have to assemble the images into one file yourself with suitable gaps.) 2. Wire up the cartridge with the lower address bits going to the game console, and the high bits going to switches to choose between games. To directly answer your question above, the pin that 'kicks up the address' is simply another address line.",sci.electronics 3621,"Colonics were a health fad of the 19th century, which persists to this day. Except for certain medical conditions, there is no reason to do this. Certainly no normal person should do this.",sci.med 3622,"I have a Leading edge 486sx25 with 4 Megs of RAM that are in the forms of 4 1 meg SIMMS. Each SIMM has *two* chips on it. They are manufactured by Samsung and are 80ns. A salesman told me that the leading edge CPC-2300 motherboard has the extra parity bit built in and reccomemnded I use MAC SIMMS. I tried using 4 Megs pulled out of a Mac SI (these are 8 chip SIMMS), but I got too many windows protection faults and parity errors. I guess I should use the same SIMMS as the ones I have, but I can't find any!! Most of the places I have called carry only 3 8 or 9 chip SIMMS. So if anybody knows where I can get memory that is good with my computer or if you have any suggestions at all, please let me know. Any help is truly appreciated. -Eric",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3623,"From article <1r3jl5$igh@function.mps.ohio-state.edu>, by nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai): Well, I don't exaclty know what _should_ be done, but what I do is keep my cpu on and turn my monitor off when not in use. I do this as much for easing power consumption as anything though. Turning off the monitor when not in use has the advantage of requiring less RAM than a screen saver (but it requires more of MY memory to remember to turn it off... pretty easy to remember to turn it on though :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Instrument Approach Procedures Automation DOT/FAA/AMI-230",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3624," ordered 2 fork seals and 2 guide bushings from CA for my FZR. two weeks later get 2 fork seals and 1 guide bushing. call CA and ask for remaining *guide* bushing and order 2 *slide* bushings (explain on the phone which bushings are which; the guy seemed to understand). two weeks later get 2 guide bushings. *sigh* how much you wanna bet that once i get ALL the parts and take the fork apart that some parts won't fit?",rec.motorcycles 3625," Yep! Sounds good to me. suggestion: sci.electronics.art ? Best regards,",sci.electronics 3626,": When McManus says, ""We have the world's best medical care,"" I can hardly believe he's referring to a system: 1. That costs us 14 percent of our GDP, while there isn't a single other country in the industrialized world that spends more than 10 percent. 2. That leaves 37 million of us with no coverage, even though all the other systems in the industrialized world cover virtually everyone. 3. Yet, Americans rank near the bottom of the list in terms of life expectancy, childhood immunization rate, infant mortality, and many preventable diseases. 4. We pay, on average, about $1000 each for MRIs. (To put that in perspective, they cost $177 in Japan.) 5. The average US company spends over 2500 dollars a year per employee on health benefits. Seven hundred to 1500 is the range just about everywhere else. How can anyone say that such a system is the best in the world? The only thing the USA health care system is good at is showering well-insured patients with a champagne treatment of care and outrageously overcharging for it. And the ""private"" system of insurers and paperwork is so bloated and inefficient that it itself sucks up over 100 billion dollars a year in money from every other sector of society - individuals, government, and industry. Of the < 800 billion dollars Americans threw into the bottomless pit of health care costs last year, the Consumer's Union estimated that at least 200 billion was thrown away on overpriced, useless, and even downright harmful tests and procedures, and the most bureaucratic, regulated insurance system in the world. There are more than 1200 different private insurers in the USA. But did the ""private competition"" stimulate more efficient paperwork? Ask any doctor who's had to hire a full-time clerk to deal with it all! The competition among hospitals is driving costs UP, not down. The competition among hospitals for both doctors and patients has encouraged the hospitals to traffic in expensive superfluous equipment. Spending millions on expensive machines of dubious value that spend 80 percent of the day idle isn't my idea of the world's best health care system. Competition among specialists is driving them to perform dangerous and expensive procedures where they are very marginally helpful. I'm especially thinking of heart surgery and some women's surgeries like hysterectomy and Cesarean section. Sound like the world's best health care system? Ever notice how, every time someone tries to bring about some real change in health care, the Libbies start bashing Canada's system? First of all, Hillary Clinton is not advocating another Canadian system. I think that's been made abundantly clear in the news for the last couple of months. Where did John F. McManus get that idea, anyway? Let's say you're a Canadian living in a small town near the USA border. Your child needs a complicated procedure only available in city hospitals. The nearest Canadian cities are 6 hours west and 20 hours east, and there's an American city one hour south. Which way are you going to go? Is it because the American system is the ""best"" in the world, or just for convenience? It still amazes me that people can't seem to see more than just black and white on health care reform. There are a million different ways we ould restructure the system. It's not just a choice between total government control and total private control. I wish the people screaming ""socialized medicine"" every time soemone wants to change the current syste would INFORM THEMSELVES on health care issues. The current system sucks. I want to keep providers private but that doesn't change the fact that we will never be able to deal with the deficit if we don't REFORM THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. Purely private health care without any government intervention doesn't work. Hillary Clinton is not thinking of nationalizing providers or evern insurers. How can you scream ""socialized medicine"" at her programs? Don't you even know what you're talking about? Ever see Clinton's graphs of projected deficit versus year for the rest of the decade? Notice how the line falls, then starts increasing? Why? I'll give you one wild guess as to which component of spending will overwhelm us if we don't do something about it. PEOPE JUST DOESN'T GET IT. The current health care system is a cancer which is killing our economic well-being. Costs are still rising 10 percent a year even as Americans by the tens of millions go without, or are forced into managed-care programs, which are certainly pretty socialized already if you ask me. A couple of months ago I posted a message asking any Hillary-bashers to please come forward and present (no gimmicks, straight talk) just how THEY would set about keeping costs down. I didn't get a single answer. The only thing I keep hearing from Libbie organizations are press releases filled with evasive platitudes like ""give health care back to the people."" Just do you expect to do that without serious reforms? What is it about the current system that you would change and how would that help? How can anyone read the news, live under our system, and NOT see these faults? How can we deal with the deficit, our cities, our educational system, our infrastrucure, AIDS, modernizing our industry, etc. if we don't quit throwing away money which could be used to SOLVE those problems? America needs health care reform NOW. Don't just sit there and Hillary-bash, inform yourself! Jim Reynolds ",talk.politics.misc 3627,"I don't know much about computers, so please bear with me. Here's my question: CONTEXT: I use a package called SLIP on my home computer to connect to the university mainframe (an IBM 3090 running VMS/MVS), and log on to my account. When I installed SLIP on my computer, I had to configure it for my modem (14.4 kbs Etronics internal) and had to supply the phone number to dial to reach the mainframe. The way it works now is that I type ""telnet uicvm"" or ""tn3270 uicvm"" (either will work) at the DOS prompt. UICVM is the node name of the mainframe. The program then dials the mainframe, establishes a protocol, and gives me the logon screen. ""TELNET"" and ""TN3270"" are the names of batch files in my SLIP directory. I have been told that a kermit protocol is used for the session. PROBLEM: I would like to be able to do all this under Windows 3.1 because I hardly ever use DOS directly. SLIP will not run under Windows. I talked to the people at our computer center, and they suggested that I use a packet driver called WINPKT.COM with SLIP. They gave me instructions on how to load it before I start Windows, and how to modify the TCPSTART and TCPSTOP batch files (in the SLIP directory) to ensure that it would work. I did all that and I could run SLIP from Windows, but there were other problems. For one thing, SLIP would not hang up the phone when I exited. I had to run my communi- cations program to hang up the phone or reboot the computer when that didn't work. For another, there were too many errors. It often took me 3-4 tries to connect to the mainframe. Our computer center does not support SLIP under Windows, so I can't keep going back to them with more questions. QUESTION: Is there some other SHAREWARE package that will run under Windows and do what SLIP is supposed to do? I need a package that is not too expensive, which is why I am looking for shareware. I have heard that there are regular commercial packages that do all this, but they cost hundreds of dollars. These are the main requirements: 1. Must be able to run under Windows 3.1 2. Must allow VT100 and IBM TN3270 terminal emulation 3. Must allow ftp file transfers, since that's the only kind the mainframe allows. No Y-modem or Z-modem etc. I believe the ftp transfers are made through a kermit protocol, but I'm hazy about that. A subsidiary feature (that would be nice to have) if it's a true Windows program (rather than a DOS program modified to run under Windows) is the ability to run the session in a window concurrently with other applications and to cut and paste between the telnet session and other applications. Any information received is appreciated.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3628," Ditto. Source: ""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) You have set up straw horses and knocked them down. I'm not impressed. Let us ask Armenian scholars - shall we? Source: K. S. Papazian, ""Patriotism Perverted,"" Baikar Press, Boston, 1934. pp. 17-18. ""It seems that terrorism against their own co-nationals has been a prominent part of the revolutionary activities of the Dashnag leaders of the Caucasus. Organized to fight the Turks, these chieftains have been more successful in their fight against their Armenian opponents in Turkey, and the Caucasus, very often defenseless and innocent."" p. 25. ""We were defeated"". p. 38. ""The fact remains, however, that the leaders of the Turkish Armenian section of the Dashnagtzoutune did not carry out their promise of loyalty to the Turkish cause when the Turks entered the war...and a call was sent for Armenian volunteers to fight the Turks on the Caucasian front."" p. 38. ""Thousands of Armenians from all over the world, flocked to the standards of such famous fighters as Antranik, Kery, Dro, etc. The Armenian volunteer regiments rendered valuable service to the Russian Army in the years of 1914-15-16."" By the way, here is the entire paragraph. ""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead."" Ohanus Appressian ""Men Are Like That"" p. 202. Now wait, there is more. 1) Armenians did slaughter the entire Muslim population of Van.[1,2,3,4,5] 2) Armenians did slaughter 42% of Muslim population of Bitlis.[1,2,3,4] 3) Armenians did slaughter 31% of Muslim population of Erzurum.[1,2,3,4] 4) Armenians did slaughter 26% of Muslim population of Diyarbakir.[1,2,3,4] 5) Armenians did slaughter 16% of Muslim population of Mamuretulaziz.[1,2,3,4] 6) Armenians did slaughter 15% of Muslim population of Sivas.[1,2,3,4] 7) Armenians did slaughter the entire Muslim population of the x-Soviet Armenia.[1,2,3,4] 8).... [1] McCarthy, J., ""Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman Anatolia and the End of the Empire,"" New York University Press, New York, 1983, pp. 133-144. [2] Karpat, K., ""Ottoman Population,"" The University of Wisconsin Press, 1985. [3] Hovannisian, R. G., ""Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, pp. 13, 37. [4] Shaw, S. J., 'On Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. [5] ""Gochnak"" (Armenian newspaper published in the United States), May 24, 1915. Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 3629,"I am running Windows 3.1 on a 386SX-16 MHZ with Five Megs of Memory. The motherboard came with one meg, and I added the four megs this past weekend. They were 1X9 70 Simms. I had installed in the application menu MS-DOS command PARK. Up till today, it parked the disk from the application menu without any problem. When attempting to park the heads today, I received the following message: STOP This application has violated system integrity due to an invalid general protection fault and will be terminated. What does this message mean? Thanks, -- David De Trolio (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3630,"For Sale: DOS 4.01, with original manuals, box, and either 5.25"" or 3.5"" disks (full version, NOT OEM). ** $15.00 (including all shipping charges) ** ** please respond! bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu ** ",misc.forsale 3631," ----------",None 3632," Firstly, an aside: I agree that the weakness exists, but I have a lot of trouble believing that it represents a difficulty in real life. Given: 1. the purpose of the one-time pad is to give unbreakable security, and the expense of key distribution etc., imply that the clients really do want that level of security 2. These same people want to keep P a secret I find it hard to believe that Eve might happen to have a copy of P lying around. (I am aware that the same argument applies to Eve knowing even a small part of the message, but Eve must know EXACTLY where (which bytes) in C her known susequence starts, or the result will be garbled. I find this at least as surprising.) Back to the question: If I had the resources to use a one-time-pad for such transmissions, I would also append a Message Authentication Code to the message, using up the next bits of the one-time-pad as the key perhaps. Your original question basically asked whether there was any way to authenticate the message with the same degree of security as the Pad itself provided, and I don't know the answer. However, I would propose the following for discussion. Alice and Bob have an arbitrary number of secret, random bits to share, which Eve doesn't know. She finds them out (effectively) by knowing some P and the corresponding C. It is the fact that they CORRESPOND that causes the problem. If a message authentication code was to be created using some one-time-pad operation such that Eve could not know which parts of the MAC were affected by which parts of the input, she would be unable to forge a MAC to correspond. What is required is a non-linear combiner of parts of the message. (Non-linear so that simply xoring or subtracting or whatever doesn't have exactly the same effect). Now, at the end of the encrypted message C, Alice appends a n-bit MAC computed as follows (S2 means the next full chunk of the one time pad): 1. compute C2 = P xor S2, and pad to an n-bit boundary with more of S 2. break C2 into n-bit chunks 3. set MAC to 0 (initialisation vector) 4. for i in each chunk sequentially set MAC = MAC NLOP C2[i] At the end of this process MAC is the Message Authentication Code. (Bob verifies the MAC in the obvious manner; he recovers the plaintext P, then uses some more of his pad to reproduce the MAC in the same manner.) NLOP is the non-linear operator, and there is the rub. The simplest non-linear operator I can think of is an S-box; that is, have a fixed (even published) permutation of the n-bit integers, an indexable table called Sbox, and use: x NLOP y = x xor Sbox[y]. Practically speaking, I think this solves your problem, as Eve never sees the intermediate output C2, and hence can't deduce S2 or perform any valid substitution on it. Also practically speaking, you want the MAC to be fairly large, say 32 bits, but you might not want a 4 gigabyte (say) S-box, so you might work on 4 byte-sized S-boxes, but I think that is an irrelevant detail for the discussion at hand. Who will be first to point out my errors, or give me a pointer to some literature?",sci.crypt 3633," just out of curiosity, how is this ""dog clutch"" any different from a synchro transmission. What you described SOUNDS the same to me. In fact, what little i've studied on trannies, the instructor referred to the synchros as ""dogs"" and said they were synonymous. The gears are always meshed in a synchronized gearbox, and you slip the synchro gears back and forth by shifting. Or at least, that is what i was taught. Explain, por favour?",rec.autos 3634," There's always the old switcheroo. My brother works at a dialysis clinic. They were interviewing candidates for a technician job (mainly electronics tech), and a urine screen was part of the interview. The bathroom was across the hall from a lab. One candidate managed to switch his urine sample with one he grabbed from the lab. (No one was in it at the time.)",sci.med 3635,"(Detroit, April 21) Most knowledgable observers once again watched in shock as the Detroit Red Wings again beat the best goaltender in the world six times en route to another easy victory over the best team in the NHL. For the best goaltender in the world, Felix Potvin, six was a bad number as he surrendered six goals and collected six minutes in penalties in reponse to the goon tactics employed by the inferior Red Wings team. Alan",rec.sport.hockey 3636,"Has anyone read this important book? If so, what are your feelings about it? Frank",None 3637," The same could be said for many other goverment agencies, but big budgets, large staffs, and long lead time haven't made many of them into models of effectiveness. The fact is that those of us outside the inner circles have only James Bamford's word that the people at the NSA use those legendary masses of computers for anything other than reading netnews, like many of us. The NSA *doesn't* have an impressive record of accomplishments, at least not a public record. ",sci.crypt 3638,"Hi I am thinking of upgrading to the Beta Version of Windows NT on a 486SX 25Mhz 213Mb Hard disc. Can someone please give me there opion on such a setup for running NT and is the Operating System likely to be better than Windows or Unix's. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3639,"[...] Aw, c'mon. The serious overreaction ought to be worth a couple of points, not to mention the bit condemning everthing the flamee might ever say. The non sequitur about guns and helmets is just the proper flourish. I personally am of the opinion that there are two types of good flames. The first does trade ``quality,'' in the sense you mention, for heat. This has a certain surprise value and if done correctly, which I contend was done above, is reasonably entertaining. While it is true that the flame I posted does not mention anyone's habitual velocity, friends, dinner, or entertainment, it says what it needs to with the appropriate flair and it is short. The weakness of this type of flame is actually that it can easily be taken too far, at which point it becomes trite and boring. (Witness the Infante thread recently....) The other type of flame, which you seem to be glorifying above, has a few weaknesses as well. In the first place, it can get verbose and tedious in the extreme, particularly if the reader does not already strongly identify with one side or the other. In the second, discussing someone's personal qualities, habits, and so forth can quickly become libelous. (Or is that slanderous? I can never remember the difference.) This leads to a proliferation of lawyers, which is widely regarded as a BAD THING. Finally, introducing polysyllabic words is problematic. I can't haul my big dic. around on my bike, and it would be bad form to use a word which actually turned out to have a meaning, especially one which ran counter to my use and flamage in general. In summary, Blaine, your score for that flame is incorrect. While it may be the wunder-flame, the weaknesses you point out are not necessarily weaknesses, and your suggested corrections are not always useful nor applicable. You also probably couldn't outrun a tennis ball with a flatulent dog stapled to your posterior, and I'll bet you and your motorcycle lean to the outside while turning. The same goes for anyone who looks like you, too. ----- Tommy McGuire mcguire@cs.utexas.edu mcguire@austin.ibm.com",rec.motorcycles 3640,"New plotters, 2 of 'em, straight out of the box, but docs have all been lost... make offer, COD shipping...",misc.forsale 3641," If that ""culture"" referred to is Israeli, being anti-zionist can be seen as a complete denial of that entity's right to exist and its ""legitimacy"". Just as saying that Islam has *no right* to establish and implement a ""state"" that includes any non-muslims, both are *absolute*, one-dimensional views of that culture with regard to the issue of ""state"". If that were the case, one would expect a few of that culture's positives to be discussed with regard to the issue at hand. Since the issue *centers* on Israeli culture, I have yet to hear of *any* positives of that culture in this discussion. I agree with you. But I also feel that when a culture feels it is confronted by another group that wishes to see that culture ""disassembled"", the first culture has little choice but to *try* to secure its ""survival"" as well as maintain its moral center. Since the culture is not about to turn away from *either* the matter of its survival or the valuing of its moral principles, it has the virtually impossible job of ""balancing"". To discuss Israel's faults and ""crimes"" without *any* recognition of this circumstance and *reality* it faces is a conscious decision based on the discussant's political biases, NOT on an honest and empathetically open understanding of the situation. The same applies to those who attempt to paint the Palestinian movement as ""all bad"" and dispense with considerations of the *reality* facing them. You beg the question by centering on the symptoms while the issue of ""self-hating"" addresses the motivations. I certainly feel that anyone who expends so much effort inflating, distorting and robbing human context from aspects of his/her own culture is reflecting a degree of dislike for it. Since bits of that culture are bound, due to his/her upbringing, to be a part of him/her, a bit of self- dislike seems likely to be mixed in somewhere. As you well know, this process of *blaming the other* for the morally questionable actions one side is forced (by the ""other"", of course) to take is thoroughly practiced by **both sides**. If you are only hearing the pro-Israeli crowd's self-supporting arguments, that may be due to the fact that you are not listening for anything else. *I* certainly hear the similarly distorting pro-Palestinian/pro-Arab element in *this* newsgroup (as well as in soc.culture.arabic). I agree, agree, agree, agree. However, in my response to the initial discussion above between Davidsson and those opposing his presentations, I saw Davidsson carefully putting academic frills around a blatantly one-sided series of I-hate/dislike- ""them"", yesIdo,yesIdo,yesIdo. I did *not* find the approach of those opposing Davidsson to be centered *at all* on a denigration and denial of the ""other side"". I certainly do wonder if the degree to which Davidsson's views on the Middle East have distorted is connected to his dislike and rejection of his jewish lineage. Having said this, however, I agree with you that this constant accusing others of being ""self-hating"" jews seems pointless. It is not worse a label than is ""why, you're on their side"", except to perhaps imply a certain degree of overly enthusiastic biasedness. Tim ",talk.politics.mideast 3642," Presumably the B-D did not mount a continuous state of alert with gunmen ready to fire on people who casually walked up to ring the doorbell. Once inside the building the BATF would have been in control. Trained police officers are a match to any bunch of Bozos playing at soldiers. Not a smart move. Unless meant to be part of the surprize cover. Even so the narrow opening of the trucks simply was not a good idea. A side opening truck would have been much better, more like a covered waggon. Sounds just about right to me. Its the minimum amount of force that I would consider necessary to serve a warrant on the talk.politics.guns annual dinner. Michael Hesseltine ordered the use of over 5000 crack troops including members of the parachute regiment to remove approx 250 hippy peace protestors on a site where they wanted to install cruise missiles. He even turned up in a flack jacket to monitor the proceedings. Just about the most dangerous tool the women possesed was a tin opener. That single action probably cost him the position as Prime Minister. One of the elders of my church got arrested in that heroic action by the forces of Toryism. Hesseltine ever after was something of a national joke. ",talk.politics.misc 3643,": : >A friend of mine called me on the phone and told me he was wathcing CNN : >and saw a report that the ruling prohibiting AMD from selling their i486 : >clones has been thrown out, making it legal for AMD to ship in the US. : : Yep, this was on the news. Great news for consumers. Bad news : for Intel. Their stock dropped quite a chunk with the announcement. --",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3644,"(Dear Moderator: Would you add this to the BCC faq?) In case there are any ex-members of the ""Boston Church of Christ"" looking for a support organization, here's the number of ""BostonEX"" in Burlington, MA: 617-272-1955. -------- s.r.c readers in New England may be interested in seeing a series of news reports about the BCC in the 6 pm nightly news on Channel 5 (WCVB, Boston), for the next few days (starting Wed, 5/19).",soc.religion.christian 3645," Other than getting a 32-bit clean ROM, what other features would a IIci ROM in a IIx provide, if any? ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3646,"Lovely arguments. But do we write about historical ownership of any place - Palestine, Pakistan, Cyprus, Aegean Islands (and the oil that may lie beneath them), whatever - for any reason other than justification for stomping others? DOES IT TRULY MATTER whose ancestor lived where 20, 200, or 2000 years ago? More than how you treat the land and each other? Who is wise enough to decree that a person's right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in a particular place depends on accidents of birth? Who can even be sure about the precise tracks of the sperm that birthed the people we wish to despise? IMHO, the American Indians have it right. We belong to the earth, it does not belong to us. Failure to understand that is a good way to cause lossage all the way around. My guess is that once we trash our environment sufficiently we shall die along with it - the baby eating and killing its mother, then dying for lack of milk. Death and disease do not respect national boundaries, not as toxins, disease vectors, lost farmland/wetlands/forest cover/water supplies, nor any other way. When we fight over which national group owns which piece of turf, we are merely contending for the best vantage point from which to kill others, ""our"" land and eventually ourselves. That is something of which to be proud. Very proud. Makes me glad to be human. I'm not mindlessly rejecting all nationalism. Maybe it's fair to ask whether a recent immigrant deserves a share of the infrastructure that all _my_ ancestors (hah!) labored to produce. But it's an artificial distinction: is the recent immigrant, even a refugee, less likely to contribute to the next generation's legacy than anyone else? [In history the reverse is often the case: recent immigrants strive hardest. If nothing else, they fill open eco(l/n)ogic niches.] Then again, my tribe is infinitely better than your tribe, so I can understand you all have nothing but plot to knock me off. While I, of course, will make sure it doesn't happen, even if I must shoot Muslim infants (or bash Jewish ones against the walls of schoolhouses) to do so. That'll prove my moral superiority, by golly, as well as the rightness of my cause. Clearly, there is no higher purpose in life than killing others because they are not like you. I would never get in the way of such fun. Let's see: soc.culture.turkish - Why don't you Turks go back to Lake Baikal where you came from, and leave the land to the Greeks, who stole it fair and square from the Scythians? soc.culture.pakistan - Why don't you guys redistribute yourselves over India, as God meant for you to do? soc.culture.jewish, soc.culture.arabic - we stick together, fight together, die together. We are brothers, and inseparable. talk.politics.mideast - oh well, had to be there. Oded [Planning on being a Scythian irredentist, as soon as I finish my present assignment.] P.S.: I can't get a semi-decent death threat anymore?",talk.politics.mideast 3647," : I am curious about knowing which commericial cars today : have v engines. : V4 - I don't know of any. : V6 - Legend, MR3? MR6? : V8 - Don't know of any. : V12 - Jaguar XJS : Please add to the list. ",rec.autos 3648," At all times in human history, people have killed and stolen from one another. If you can find an example of where this hasn't happened in history, then you have discovered a new phenomenon in nature. It is pointless asking whether people ""should"" do this; they DO do this. It has just evolved that way. Humans have evolved to have this characteristivc. You can debate whether this should be particular matter should be left up to the individual or not, but it is the nature of humans to kill and steal from others and you will not find a single counterexample (of a society without these types) in nature. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Please find a better argument than that's the way it has always been. Child mortality has always been, yet we find it in our hearts to have made an attempt to change that. ",talk.politics.misc 3649," I disagree. In the end, the *individual* is responsible for his/her own irrationality. The individual's belief in some dogmatic religion is a symptom of that irrationality. Atheists and agnostics, I would imagine, but yes, that was my point. An atheist would theoretically be just as ill-equipped to study the philosophy of religion as a Christian, and yet there is a persistence of atheists among the ranks of philosophers. Therefore, the conflict between one's religious beliefs (or lack thereof) and the ability to be a philosopher must not be as great as you assert. The fact that most philosophers may be non-religious was a secondary point. As opposed to science practiced by theists? Be careful here. Science does have a built-in defence against faith and dogma: skepticism. Unfortunately, it is not foolproof. There is that wonderful little creature known as the ""theory."" Many of us believe in the theory of evolution. We have no absolute proof that this theory is true, so why do we believe it? Because it ""makes more sense than...?"" There is quite a bit of faith involved here. Well, not ALL current beliefs are deficient, but basically I agree. Ideally, this is true. In reality, though, you have to acknowledge that scientists are human. Scientists have egos and biases. Some scientists assume a particular theory is true, refuse to admit the flaws in that theory because of ego problems or whatever, and proceed to spend their time and money trying to come up with absolute proof for the theory. Remember cold fusion? Not really. I agree that we spent far too much money on the Waco crisis ($7,500,000 I believe), especially considering the outcome. My point was that mass suicides in the U.S. are rare (Jonestown was in Guyana, incidentally, although we footed the bill for the clean-up), and the U.S. has far more important issues to address. Compare the number of U.S. citizens who have died in mass suicides with, say, the number of U.S. soldiers who died during one week of the Vietnam War and you will see my point. ",alt.atheism 3650,"Could anyone post the game summary for the Sabres-Bruins game. ",rec.sport.hockey 3651,"an image of the moon has been caught in a weather satellite images of the earth. it appears in both the 0430-1500UT ir and visual images of the earth. the GIF images can be down loaded from vmd.cso.uiuc.edu and are named CI043015.GIF and CV043015.GIF for the IR and visual images respectively. pretty cool pictures; in the ir it's saturated but in the visual image details on the moon are viewable. the moon is not in the 1400UT images. ",sci.space 3652," It was Clint Malarchuk's neck cut by Uwe Krupp's skate. I know it happened in Buffalo, but I can't tell you against whom. Krupp was defending an opposing attacker charging the net. Malarchuk became the fourth goalie (behind Hasek, Puppa and Draper) after suffering from Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. He's been playing in San Diego for former Sabre coach Rick Dudley. Krupp is now playing for the Islanders after the LaFontaine/Turgeon trade. What do I win? =) ",rec.sport.hockey 3653," What version of WinFAX do you have? The newest version (3.0) has an OCR (Optical Character Recognition) built in... what this means is that it can take a fax (ie, a letter) and convert it into ASCII so that one can edit the document w/o re-typing it... However, I found that the OCR that comes packaged with WINFAX does not work as well as OMNIpage Professional (also by Delrina software)... So, once again, WinFAX ver. 3.0 has what you are looking for... Good luck! ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3654,": Wasn't the shareware fee a ""suggestion"" by John? : Is so then it's up to the individual to make the choice whether or not to : honour it and part with money. Personally if I was in his position I would : do exactly the same thing, John has obviously put in lot of time and effort : into xv and why shouldn't he receive some money for it. : Just my pennies worth : (Keep up the good work John) Yeah I agree..I am very impressed by the kind of effort that has gone into the lastest release...some people are just looking for excuses to gripe.. I personally feel that the work is worth much more that $25...after seeing the kind of things people get paid for..",comp.windows.x 3655," This makes perfect sense if you think about it. Cheap food and cheap movies on the cheapest format. You feel full, but the ""nutritional quality"" just ain't there. :-) Feast a little...buy Beta! Greg --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ED-Beta: Simply THE BEST! ""ED Beta is simply the best consumer videotape format available."" --VIDEO Magazine, Nov. 1992, page 30. ""Manufacturers may have a point when they perceive the U.S. consumer electronics market as unsophisticated."" --VIDEOMAKER, March 1993, page88",misc.forsale 3656,": : (Why do ALL postings from bnr seem to have bogus addresses? : Both : gstovall@crchh67.NoSubdomain.NoDomain : and : gstovall@bnr.com : bounce.... : : This makes it rather difficult to reply....) They go through UUNET. This is often the problem - as UUNET often has problems with return paths. ... deleted ... : Oh, and most importantly, no amount of transmitted RF, short of a : transmitter the size of small house, is likely to cause the equipment : failures you describe. So you are looking at two different problems. Yep.",sci.electronics 3657,"Hi, Could some kind soul please e-mail me a copy of the pinout for the serial connector on an ImageWriter II printer? We have one that we'd like to hook up to a PC, and it seems that nobody sells the proper cables anymore. No problem -- I can make one, but I need to know the pinout first. Thanks in advance.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3658," What's sort of interesting about this whole thread is just how much it has in common with similar threads in groups dealing with other vendor's hardware. I currently deal basically with hardware from 3 vendors - Apple, DEC, and SGI - and thus tend to monitor the groups about those vendor's hardware. Currently, it seems like SGI customers are pissed at SGI about dropping support for the Personal Iris, DEC customers are pissed at DEC for dropping MIPS support in favor of the new Alpha boxes, and Apple customers seem to get pissed every time a new Mac is introduced that's faster and cheaper than the one they just bought. When I used to be a Sun customer years ago, I remember people being pissed at Sun for leaving their 386 and 680x0 customers out in the cold when Sparc came along. What's really interesting is that from what I can tell, the MIS folks in the basement with their ES/9000 don't seem to be pissed at IBM. Why? I have no idea. Either IBM really does take care of their customers better, or they just have their customers brainwashed better than the smaller vendors do.",comp.graphics 3659,"I am running System 7.1 on a Centris 610. I have not been able to setup my printer yet because when I open Chooser, I get a blank screen. I do have all kinds of print drivers but none shows up. I even do not get a port iconn either. It is just one big BLANK screen. Your help is very appreciated. BTW I did rebuild the desktop but that did not help either.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3660," The BATF got sat on pretty early on. After the initial shooting was over, it pretty much become the FBI's show. (Even that BATF guy stopped showing up next to the speaker at the daily press conferences). ",talk.politics.guns 3661," Let's save some bandwidth, skip the intermediate articles and go straight to the Nazis and Hitler :-) (we do have wall sockets, thank you, and they're better than yours)",sci.electronics 3662,"or so days. incident You seem to make two points. No one ultimately oversees the federal agencies you mention, and since Koresh ""apparently"" has a different view point from your Baptist upbringing, then he is not worthy of protection from religious persecution. As to being the Messiah, is not Christ within us all? Must be comforting to belong to a government approved religion. Baptists are a cult, two, BTW, under most of the definitions in the dictionary of ""cult"". Jim -- jmd@handheld.com",talk.politics.guns 3663,"Evolution of SCO newsgroups and Mailing Lists --------------------------------------------- Many readers enjoyed the opportunity to obtain and contribute useful information on SCO Open Desktop since 1990 through the ancestral USENET newsgroup sco.opendesktop or it's companion mailing list. Similarly, there was a demonstrated need for an information and discussion forum for SCO products in general. With the increasing demand for accessibility and for additional SCO newsgroups, many current contributors including those who have been active in circulating SCO related newsgroups and mailing lists felt that the readership would be best served by creating a biz.sco.* hierarchy to improve propagation (and hence availability) worldwide. biz.sco.{opendesktop,general,announce} were newgrouped May 1, 1991 in accordance with accepted procedure within ""biz"". Given the content, this change relocated the ""opendesktop"" newsgroup to a more proper place within the established usenet news hierarchy and adds the new ""announce"" and ""general"" groups. On Aug 1, 1991, the former ""sco-list@uunet.uu.net"" became ""scogen"" in keeping with established biz.sco.* naming conventions. biz.sco.binaries and biz.sco.sources were newgrouped on June 1, 1992 to respectively accommodate SCO Xenix, UNIX and OpenDesktop specific binaries and source code. The binaries and sources news groups are moderated, with moderator and submissions information and policy outlined in the periodic imformational postings in those newsgroups. Respecting USENET etiquite, these newsgroups are _not_ gated to mailing lists, but are archived on several nuucp and ftp hosts. biz.sco.magazine was newgrouped Dec 14, 1992, to provide a discussion area for the readers, writers and publishers of SCO Magazine. 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What's in the newsgroups (and mailing_lists where applicable): biz.sco.opendesktop: Technical questions and answers and informative postings relating to past, present, and future implementations of the SCO OpenDeskTop operating environment and it's various bundled components. biz.sco.general: Questions, answers and comments on SCO products in general, and of course resulting discussions. biz.sco.announce: SCO and SCO Developer product announcements of interest to current and future users of SCO products, and to SCO developers, resellers and distributors. 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Suggestions for additional biz.sco.* newsgroups and/or mailing lists should be emailed to the address below.",comp.windows.x 3664,"Does anyone know how to reset the service indicator of a BMW after changing the oil yourself? Also, I have about 3,000 miles on my 525i and so far only one of the five yellow service indicators went out. That means I don't need oil service until it reach approximatly 15,000 miles which doesn't make sense to me. Any idea? PS of cause I did my first oil change at 1,200 miles ",rec.autos 3665," Here's something to add to the discussion: Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive From: ""James P. Reynolds"" Subject: When you're not using it, turn it off! Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 06:50:14 GMT Lines: 53 Research has shown that the majority of the time that the United States' 30 to 35 million personal computers are on, they are not actively being used. In addition, 30 to 40 percent are left running at night and on weekends. Computer equipment is now the fastest growing private-sector use of electricity. Computers alone are believed to account for five percent of commercial electricity consumption, and may account for ten percent by the year 2000. If you are one of those who leave them on after you're done, it would be a big environmental benefit if you would just TURN IT OFF when you're not using it. It only takes a second or two to do. Also, the majority of the power your computer uses is not consumed by the computer itself, but by the monitor. If you can't turn the computer off, then please just TURN OFF THE MONITOR. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has formed an alliance with computer manufacturers to promote the introduction of energy- efficient PCs that ""power down"" automatically when not being used and thus reduce the air pollution caused by power generation. These new computers will save enough electricity to power both Vermont and New Hampshire and save up to 1 billion U.S. dollars in annual electricity bills. Look for the special EPA ""Energy Star"" logo when you buy computers. They should be available in one to two years. According to the EPA studies, the energy saved will prevent CO2 emissions of 20 million tons annually, the equivalent of five million automobiles. Also, 140,000 tons of SO2 and 75,000 tons of nitrogen oxide emissions will be saved; these are the major pollutants responsible for acid rain. Please do your part ... be responsible. If you're not using it, then just TURN IT OFF. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Information herein is partially taken from the 1993 ""Information Please"" Almanac, page 573, and the U.S. Envirnomental Protection Agency's ""Environmental News."" Please redistribute this message to every computer bulletin board, network, memo system, etc. you can think of. Archive it and post it every so often if you can. Let's get the word out to everyone. We need to be responsible about the way we consume.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3666,"I recently bought a PLI 21mgbyte floptical drive, and I was very happy with it until I tried to use it to format a 1.4 HD diskette. I put the HD floppy in my Superdrive to check that the floptical had formatted it correctly, and now my Superdrive refuses to recognize ANY floppy (it says ""this disk is unreadable"" and asks if I want to format it) even original systems floppies from Apple. Nor will it format the disks if I try to (""initialization failed!"") Strangely enough the floptical still reads both the 21 MB and 1.4 HD disks, but I cant look at my 800k floppies, and if I have a crash I'm screwed because the Floptical can't be used as a start-up disk. PLI has been unresponsive. Any ideas? Has this happened to anyone before? I was looking for an inexpensive storage solution, and now I am looking at an expensive repair. Help! respond to this thread, or email mfeldman@acs.bu.edu ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3667,"The good news is we just got two Sparc10's. The bad news is that /dev/cgtwelve0 is apparently not supported in X11R4 or X11R5. Does anyone know of a patch (and how I can obtain it) to either X version that will enable us to use X11 on our Sparc10's? ",comp.windows.x 3668," I am the original owner of the seats and the original poster. I take VERY serious offence in your statement. I see a lot of computers advertized on the net, and my friend just had been releived of his machine = all the net-computer ads are for stolen computers? Where did you learn logic? As for the seats, they were replaced by a much harder (literally) Celica GTS seats due to my back problem. That is why I had to reuse the MR2 brackets and that's why the MR2 seats I sell are attached to Celica brackets.",rec.autos 3669,"Thanks for the letter, your comments helped some. As to the last comment, I certainly realize that it was not intended to sound that way. I am still trying to understand *how* a spiritual being colud truly be one and three at the same time. All of the descriptions of this are either Platonic or sound like special pleading (sort of, ""they appear to be three seperate beings in all ways, but really they are one, trust me""). Neither of these is acceptible to me. The fact is, so far the only descriptions of the trinity that makes any *sense* to me are the modalistic ones, such as Modalistic Monarchianism or ""Economic Trinitarianism"". [I can accept that the three aspects are intrinsic to the nature of God, so I perhaps lean more towards the latter]. I am trying, here, to see if anybody can come up with another description that is both orthodox and believable. -- sarima@teradata.com (formerly tdatirv!sarima) or Stanley.Friesen@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com",soc.religion.christian 3670,"I know that alot of how people think and act in a long distance space project would be much like old tiem explorers, sailors, hunters and such who spent alot of time alone, isolated, and alone or in minimal surroundings and sopcial contacts.. Such as the old arctic and antarctic expeditions and such.. I vote for a later on sci.space.medicine or similar newsgroup fro the discussion of long term missions into space and there affects on humans and such..",sci.space 3671,"Sorry for the frequency of the posting (I'm in a time crunch). I'm selling my toys so I can afford a house :_( -Amiga 4000/040 -25 MHz 68040 (built in FPU/MMU) -18 megs of RAM, 2 megs of video RAM, expandable to 2 gigabytes -A2091 SCSI controller -Fujitsu 520M 3.5"" SCSI drive, 12ms, 3 years warranty -1 year of on-site service remaining -$3000 OBO -Epson ES300C full page 600DPI, 24 bit color scanner w/sware and ADPro loader -software (standalone and ADPro loader) -docs -cable -$850 -Supra FAXmodem V.32 bis, 14.4K, latest ROMs -$205 -SCSI CD-ROM drive, 400ms, internal -$225 -Mitsubishi DiamondScan AUM1371 14"" multisync 15-38 KHz, 30-90Hz -analog RGB, TTL, video inputs -$275 -All of the above, $3900 OBO ($2000 less than original) -Amiga 2500/040 Toaster system -Amiga 2500 -Zeus 28MHz 68040 (FPU and MMU built in), 1 year warranty -16 megs of RAM -1 meg of video memory -Quantum PRODRIVE 100, 100M SCSI drive -2 Personal TBC II, time base correctors (S-video and composite), docs, sware -Video Toaster 2.0 with lots of fonts and objects and ToasterVision -ToasterVision, AREXX sequencing, Toaster croutons, framestore compress, ... -instructional video -SCSI CD-ROM drive -Sony SLVR5UC SVHS VCR, new, warranty, -2 A1080 color RGB/composite/YC monitors -Pioneer video disc player, CLD980, RF in/out, composite out -rock solid sync generator, multi-format video disc players, CD -$6900 OBO I will parcel this stuff out if necessary (please send offers :_( -Meade 826C 8"" Newtonian reflector telescope -8"" aperture, f/6 -very heavy duty mount -clock drive -dual axis corrector with joystick and AC or DC drive -fiberglassed tube for a bit more strength -2 finder scopes -1 8X50mm finder scope -1 60mm finder scope with diagonal holder and 9mm eyepiece -2"" barrel for 2"" eyepieces (includes adapter for 1.25"" eyepieces) -1 25mm 1.25"" eyepiece -1 9mm or 7mm 1.25"" eyepiece, take your pick, both for $30 more -manuals -it needs to be collimated, but is otherwise in superb condition -$775 (I'd really prefer to sell locally due to its size) -Maxtor 8760S, 680 meg (formatted), 5.25"" FH, 16ms -$625 -$695 in Sun shoebox -All software listed below is for the Amiga. Comes with boxes, diskettes, manuals and in many cases are unopened, containing registration cards. -Mean 18 golf -$10 -Greg Norman's Shark Attack -$10 -Superstar Ice Hockey -$10 -Jack Nicklaus -$10 -Microbot 3D Design Disk -$10 -PGA tour golf -$10 -Renegade -$10 -Balance of Power -$10 -World Trophy Soccer -$10 -Waterloo -$10 -Omni Play Basketball -$10 -All above software: $65 -Cadence treadmill -used for about 1 month -manual -LCD panel -built in computer -must sell locally due to size -bought for $700 -asking $190 This A2500 posted for a friend: (please email him at 7MQK@um.cc.umich.edu) -Amiga 2500/030, 5 megs RAM, 40M SCSI drive, SCSI controller, A1084 monitor -$1200 OBO Thanks, Ralph (313) 677-3086, please call after 6:00pm, or send email (best way to reach me) rps@arbortext.com gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu",misc.forsale 3672," : Consequently, : this verse indicates that she was without sin. Also, as was observed at : the very top of this post, Mary had to be free from sin in order to be the : mother of Jesus, who was definitely without sin. If the mother of Jesus had to be without sin in order to give birth to God, then why didn't Mary's mother have to be without sin in order to give birth to the perfect vessel for Jesus? For that matter, why didn't Mary's grandmother have to be without sin either? Seems to me that with all the original sin flowing through each person, the need for the last one (Mary) to have none puts God in a box, where we say that He couldn't have incarnated Himself through a normal human being. My God is an all powerful God, Who can do whatever suits His purpose. This includes creating a solar system and planet earth with the appearance of great age; providing a path through the Red Sea for the children of Israel that does not depend on the existence of a ridge of high ground and a wind blowing at the right speed and direction; and the birth of Himself from a normal sinful person without being tainted by her original sin. I see far too much focus on the ""objects"" of religion and not nearly enough on the personal relationship that is available to all believers with the Author of our existence, without the necessity of having this relationship channeled through conduits to God in the form of Mary, Apostles and a Pope. : Note that the idea of Mary being conceived without Original Sin, i.e. the : Immaculate Conception, is distinct from the idea of Mary not having sinned : during her lifetime, which is a separate doctrine and, I believe, also : held by the Catholic Church. If Mary was born without original sin, and didn't sin during her lifetime, how is she any different from Jesus? This means the world has had two perfect humans: one died to take away the sins of the world; the other gave birth to Him? I would certainly want to see some scriptural support for this before I would start praying to anyone other than God. Everything I have ever read from the bible teaches me that Jesus was and is the only sinless Lamb of God, not His mother, grandmother........ : Hope this is useful to you. Very useful in helping me understand some of the RC beliefs. Thank you.",soc.religion.christian 3673," Okay, I see smilies, so this isn't supposed to be a serious post. On the other hand, I would suppose it does has some motivation behind it. Apparently the idea is to poke fun at religion, but there is presumably some sort of reasoning behind it. As an argument, this statement is worthless. Presuming the Qur'an is a perfect religious text (whatever that might be) there is still plenty of room for disagreement about its implications for issues far from essentials. I've already responded to the question of how a judgment might be made between two people who in fact _do_ disagree about Islam, which doesn't presume anything about the Qur'an other than its having sufficient clarity for all important disputes about the basic principles of Islam. This hardly constitutes a claim that no two people could have disagreements about _all_ issues relevant to Islam. ",alt.atheism 3674,": ============================================================================== : Could someone please tell me the Best FTP'able viewer available for MSDOS : I am running a 486 33mhz with SVGA monitor. : I need to look at gifs mainly and it would be advantageous if it ran : under windows...........thanks FTP to wuarchive.wustl.edu, change into mirrors/msdos/graphics get ""grfwk61t.zip"" This is the DOS version of Graphic Workshop. There is a Windows version which you could probably find in the mirrors/msdos/windows3 directory but I don't know what the file name is. -- ",comp.graphics 3675,"As of today's USA Today (4/23) John Wetteland should come off of the DL tonight and possibly pitch in the series this weekend (I forget who they play.) Derek Lilliquist is probably going to be the main closer, but it will be kind of a bullpen by committee also.",rec.sport.baseball 3676," It's called 'contractual obligations' with Major League Baseball. I would've liked to see the OT of the Isles-Caps game, but I understand where ESPN is coming from. ESPN is committed to a single telecast a night and everything after that is a bonus.",rec.sport.hockey 3677," Is that the number of ""left"" legs, or both left and right?",None 3678," Please see the post I made yesterday (May 10) which fixes the problem. This was posted to comp.windows.x.apps. ",comp.windows.x 3679," From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Zionism - racism Diaspora 'a cancer' ------------------- by Julian Kossoff and Lindsay Schusman in: Jewish Chronicle, London, 22. Dec. 1989 Leading Israeli author and cultural commentator, A.B. Yehoshua, launched a ferocious attack on diaspora Jewry at a Zionist Youth Council meeting in North London, last week. The diaspora, he claimed, ""was the cancer connected to the main tissue of the Jewish people"". He was scathing about its failure to act before the Holocaust. [ deleted for bravity ] Jewish values in Israel embraced every aspect of daily life, unlike in the diaspora, where Jews had no responsibility for the country they lived in, he said. He warned that modern Hebrew, a unifying force for the Jewish people, would have to struggle for its future, especially in literary circles. It faced fierce competition from the English language. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- So? --Amos",talk.politics.mideast 3680,"After looking at the scaling code I realized the follwing: 1) My problem with the resolution 100x100 foints is due to an installation problem. 2) That the X server or font server will rescale the best font it can find to meet your requirements. This means that if you server return a response like the following -adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--0-0-75-75-p-0-iso8859-1 You can ask for the follwogin: -adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--14-100-90-90-p-0-iso8859-1 and it will generate it for you. You should try to always use known pixel sizes. ",comp.windows.x 3681," I disagree with what to tout, although I agree that the space program is inherently a good thing. Most people today only care about ""what will it cost me?"" and ""what's in it for me?"" and could care less about whether something is simply worthwhile in and of itself. Our society has become increasingly geared toward the short-term (which you could read as NOW!). They couldn't care less about next week, much less next century. They want something to show for the expenditure and they want it *now*. I think we *should* tell them about the things that they are using now that are spinoffs of the space program. That is the only way you can *prove* its worth to *them* - and they vote and pay taxes too. The continued existence of the space program relies upon that money. just my $.02 BTW: don't forget Velcro...",sci.space 3682," Oops, forgot the phone number. It's 1-800-377-8287. ",comp.graphics 3683," Who said it was dead. It seems to be alive and well here on the net.",None 3684," This is too often true. Many people try to place this as a ""higher"" sin. However... A big part of the problem is that many of the homosexuals and people advocating acceptance of homosexuality in churches do not consider (active) homosexuality a sin. I don't often see the attitude of ""forgive me and I will try to change"". Instead I see ""there's nothing wrong with my life and I can be a good Christian, so it must be you who have an illness because you don't accept me"". Christians can and will accept homosexuals, just as they will accept *any* sinner. Sure, it may be natural to some people to be homosexual - but it is also perfectly natural for everyone to sin! I was born with a desire to sin, but I work to prevent myself from sinning. It's much less common now, but I *still* have urges to lash out in anger. There also may not be a sudden disappearance of sinful desires (or ever!), so it is sad to see people leave the church when they are discouraged that they are still homosexual after several years. ",soc.religion.christian 3685,"OK, many people emailed me asking for information on Congruent Corporation's product which allows X/Motif unix applications to function on Windows NT. Today I was sent a telephone number by a kind person by the name of Sam (I'd give better attribution, but the mail is in a different application on VMS :-() The number to call in New York City is (212)431-5100 The email address is info@congruent.com The product is NTNIX. Other details I do not know. They said they'd send me email info, but as yet it has not arrived. More as I get it. Cheers Folks! -- snail@lsl.co.uk ",comp.windows.x 3686,"Hi, there! I have a MAC LC and consider buying CD300. I've been told, however, that: 1. The double speed of CD300 is achievable only on machines with SCSI-2. 2. The double speed is a prerequisite for PhotoCD multisession capability, which I need. 3. Which means I seem to gain nothing compared with, say CD150. Any comments? Thanx.",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3687," Good. Another liberal converted by Waco! If Dave had had something realistic, there would have been none of this ""Bradley"" vehicle crap.",talk.politics.guns 3688," As I recall from reading posts here a while back, Rovax (Rovacs?) died because it was larger and noisier than the competing cheap R12 systems of it day. Probably a case of bad timing. I think the system would have a better chance today now that R12 systems are on death row, but investors may be hard to come by a second time. ",rec.autos 3689," > When Elizabeth greeted Mary with the words: ""Blessed art thou > among women"" (Luke 1:42), it appears that this places Mary > beyond the sanctification of normal humanity. But Deborah says (Judges 5:24): > Blessed among women shall be Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite, > Blessed above all women in the tents. It can doubtless be taken that Jael's slaying of Sisera was a type of Mary's victory over sin. But even if we take Deborah's words as applying prophetically or symbolically to Mary, they must still be applicable literally to Jael. We may well take them to mean that God used her as a part of His plan for the deliverance of His people, and that she has this in common with Mary. But we have no reason to suppose that they mean that she was sinless, and thus no reason to take the like expression applied to Mary as proof that she was sinless.",soc.religion.christian 3690,"ANP is secreted by the atria in response to increases in fluid volume and acts to facilitate sodium and water excretion from the kidneys. Can someone tell me the molecular mechanism by which this is done? Please email your response Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Po'g Mo Thon ",sci.med 3691,"Ithaca technical support can be reached at: tech_support@ithaca.com or by phone at: 510-523-5900 ",comp.graphics 3692,"Does anybody share my opinion that in big-city traffic a bike can be so low-powered that for example it cant accelerate out of trouble when necessary..the ""screwed-down"" versions of bikes sold on the German market with the different classes of liscence seems to make a lot of middle aged men putt putt around on 25-40Km/Hr maschines that are constantle getting in the way of ""real"" traffic! Does anybody else have opinions on this topic!? snuffy -- ",rec.motorcycles 3693,"I originally posted a complaint about how noisy my PC was. I got several useful suggestions, but 1 was the most seductive: run your PC in silence by removing the fan altogether! Two variables: 1) I always run my PC without the cover, and 2) I'd be willing to attach a CPU cooler if that would make a difference. Should I try to run my PC without a fan? I know it sounds like utter folly so I'm asking - has anyone done this succesfully? Or tragically? You're answer may save my PC... Thanks.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3694," The *fastest* way is to use an X server with shared memory extension. It uses shared memory if it is a local X server (hence images don't have to be duplicated), and defaults to the regular image routines if either the shared mem extension is not available, or if it's not the localhost.",comp.windows.x 3695,"I heard a friend who just return from NAB from Las Vegas confirm that RealSoft will be releasing a Windows version of REAL-3D 2.0 this summer. He was told that the rendering speed on the DX50 isn't as fast as A4000. However, he was also told that they are switching from Microsoft C++ to Watcom to gain more speed. For people who is looking for a powerful 3D animation software for PC. The wait shouldn't be too long. Real 3D 2.0 is absolutely the most powerful and flexible 3D package out there that sells for less than $1000.",comp.graphics 3696,"Dear fellow Christians, I had a dinner last night with a bible study group which I am in. We had a discussion about the difference between Christianity and Islam. And I was shocked to hear that our bible study teacher said that Mohammad was indeed a prophet but of Satan. I said, ""What??"" I did not believe that, because I have some moslem friends who are so kind and nice, even sometimes I feel I wish I could be like them (in my point of view, they don't sin as much as I do). How come if they were under Satan, they could have such personalities. To tell you the truth, I don't know much about Islam. But I know that they believe in God, they believe in the day of judgement. Now I'm asking you what your opinions about Islam and its teaching. IMPORTANT : I do not want to discuss whether they are saved or not. I do not want to discuss about politic related to Islam. P.S: I post this in bit.listserv.christia, soc.religion.christian, and bit.listserv.catholic. In Christ, our Lord, Smile......... Jesus loves you....... Tabut Torsina TORSINA@ENUXHB.EAS.ASU.EDU [Let me start by saying that this is not the right newsgroup for a discussion of Islam, since there's a group for that. But I suspect the point your teacher was making was not specifically about Islam. Indeed it's going to be impossible to see what he was getting at within your groundrules, since the question of whether non-Christians are saved is at the heart of it. The classic Christian view, which I think most people believed until the last century or so, was that Christianity (and of course Judaism) was the only religion founded by God, and that all other religions worshipped false gods, and came from Satan. This is more or less a corollary of another traditional view that no one but Christians (and possibly Jews) will be saved. This need not mean that there's no truth in any other religion, nor that all of their members are intentionally Satanic. After all, in order to be an effective snare, Satanic alternatives would have to be attractive. Thus they might contain all kinds of truth, wisdom and spiritual insights. They would be missing only one thing -- knowledge of salvation through Christ. If this is the background of your teacher's remarks -- and I suspect it is -- that means that a discussion of Islam is not necessarily relevant. The point is not that there's anything intrinsically wrong with it. It may teach a fine code of behavior, and its practitioners may all be wonderful people. But if salvation requires being a follower of Christ, it could still be a Satanic invention. This is a reasonable deduction from the classic Protestant position. Christianity says that salvation isn't a matter of being kind and nice. Those are good things, and we should encourage them. But no one is able to do them enough to be saved. Salvation requires Christ. (Please forgive me for doing this in Protestant terms. There's a Catholic equivalent to this that has similar implications, but in different terms.) A religion may be quite attractive in all visible ways. But if it doesn't have Christ, it's like a diet that consists of food that looks wonderful, tastes great, but is missing some essential food element so that you end up dying. Let me be clear that I am not specifically advocating this position. What I'm trying to do is (as usual) to clarify issues. Indeed it is now relatively uncommon for Christians to believe that all other religions are Satanic. Most Christians regard such beliefs as an unfortunate vestige of the past. This is part of a general move within Christianity in the last century or so to a non-judgemental God. Christians now find it hard to believe that God would allow anybody other than a really rotten person to end up in hell, and they find it hard to envision that real malignant spiritual forces are at work in the world doing things like creating superficially attractive alternatives to Christianity. Whether there is actually a sound basis for the shift is a decision that people need to make for themselves.",soc.religion.christian 3697," Wouldn't that make them an I4? Or would they really be an _4 (henceforth referred to as ""underscore 4"")?",rec.autos 3698,": : Once again, someone else with a Gateway Monitor problem, anyone who can : help, please do, it would be much apprieciated. Thanks in advance. : : Ok, I have a Local Bus 486/66 machine, with the Crystal Scan 15inch : monitor. I have 1 meg of loca memory on the ATI ultra pro, w/ the : mach32 driver (the newest release). : : My problem is in Windows when I use the 1024 mode. I get shadows down : the sides of the screens, and very blurry type in the corners. The : types on the screen are all out of focus. I've gotten replacement video : cards, and a replacement monitor. None of that has helped though. : Could someone pleae help me with this very frustruating problem. I have the 1 meg card with the Crystal Scan 15 inch also. I see very faint shadows on the left side of the screen only in 1024 x 768 mode, but not enough to really bother me. The characters on the screen are clear until I turn on the Crystal Fonts, then they become blurry. I have a friend who has 2 meg on the video card who has the same shadows, but says the Crystal Fonts are, well, crystal clear. We are both using build 59 of the mach32 drivers. Neither of us has a monitor extension cable. I tried the build55 driver and found no difference. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3699,"Does X11R5 support the graphics accelerator board in the Sun 386i???? Thanks in advance.",comp.windows.x 3700," There is a great book out called ""They Also Served"" which is about the ballplayers during WWII. There is some info on Berg in there. It also has info on Pete Gray (one armed outfielder) and other players of the era. Because of the draft many players during the war were those who were exempt from the draft for medical reasons. There are some very interesting stories in the book. It is very well written and I would suggest reading it to anyone with an interest in baseball. Rob Koffler ",rec.sport.baseball 3701," Y'all got the first two reversed.",None 3702,"Which Western states have laws that charge sales tax on the difference between a new car's price and the trade-in's value? I know California charges you on the full value of the new vehicle regardless of trade-in. If you are a California resident, is it legal to buy a car in a state other than California without also paying California sales tax? How does California enforce any law that requires you to also pay California sales tax (on top of the out-of-state tax)? ",rec.autos 3703,"I am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines. V4 - I don't know of any. V6 - Legend, MR3? MR6? V8 - Don't know of any. V12 - Jaguar XJS Please add to the list. ",rec.autos 3704," ""Hate the sin but love the sinner""...I've heard that quite a bit recently, .... My question is whether that statement is consistent with Christianity. I would think not. Hate begets more hate, never love. .... In the summary of the law, Christ commands us to love God and to love our neighbors. He doesn't say anything about hate. In fact, if anything, he commands us to save our criticisms for ourselves. .... - Scott I too dislike the phrase ""Hate the sin, love the sinner"". Maybe the definite article is also part of the problem, since it seems to give us license to fixate on our brother's peculiar pecadillo which we have managed to escape by a common grace of heredity, economic situation, or culture. Our outrage at evil is too often just a cheap shot. That said, I don't think Scott has adequately explored the flip side of this coin, namely the love of righteousness. In the Beatitudes, Jesus blessed those who hungered and thirsted for righteousness. In the New Testament, it is never enough just to behave well, one should always actively desire and work for the cause of good. In that sense, it should be impossible to remain dispassionate about evil and its victims, even when these are its accomplices as well. Maybe ""mourn sin, love sinners"" catches the idea slightly better than ""hate"", but only slightly, since grief usually implies a passive powerless position. A balanced Christian response needs grief, love, and carefully measured, constructive anger. Jesus has all three. The European pietists during WWII whose response to Nazi atrocities was devoid of anger do not fare well as role models, however much love or grief they exemplified. My sister is an actress in New York and a Christian. A few years back, Jack, her long-time professional friend and benefactor, died of AIDS, impoverished by medical bills, estranged from his family, and abandoned by most of his surviving friends. Only my sister and brother-in-law were there with him at the very end. In her grief over Jack's death, my sister found quite a few targets for anger: callous bureaucracies, the rigid self-protective moralism of Jack's family, the inertia in Christians' response to AIDS, and, yes, even Jack's own lapse in morality that eventually cost him his life. Jack himself shared that last anger. Brought up with strong Christian values, he was contrite over his brief dalliance with promiscuous sex long before his AIDS appeared. (I imply no moral judgement here about Jack's innate sexual orientation, n.b.) Maybe the hardest job is making our anger constructive.",soc.religion.christian 3705,"I have a Jap. import of One on CD single. It contains: One Breadfan For Whom the Bell Tolls (live) Sanitarium (live) One (demo) ",misc.forsale 3706, >government maintaining a secret of some kind.,None 3707," No firearms were ever ever shot at the National Guard at Kent State. At the time of the shooting, no rocks were being thrown at all. The squad was slowly proceeding up a knoll, away from the body of students. Some students were taunting them, and photographs of the incident show at most one or two students who were following and taunting. The series of photographs show the squad slowly proceeding up the hill, while occasionally their NCO, .45 in hand turned back to look at where they came from. All at once, as if on command, the entire squad turned and fired their M1 Garands, firing 30.06 rounds into the crowd (the NCO can be shown with this 45 at full recoil). At least two of the students shot had nothing to do with the taunters... they were only passing through, and were not participants in the confrontation. There is some dispute whether the Guard was even legally on Campus... apparently they had not been invited onto the state school by the president, who had conveniently flown the coop, so as not to be around. The governor of Ohio, James Rhodes, had just embarked on a senate campaign, and wanted it to be known that he was tough on peaceniks, so had ordered the guard in. The matter was quickly covered up. Some years later, wounded survivors launched a civil lawsuit against those responsible... a settlement was made, and under the terms, the plaintiffs could not discuss much, and guilty individuals were not identified (in fact, those shooters in the squad have been identified).",talk.politics.guns 3708,"Hi Javier, (how are things at Corp, my old stomping ground was c-level?) Vibration when applying the brakes can be caused, on disc brakes at least, by warped rotors. When the brakes are applied, there results uneven pressure on the rotor. Turning the rotors by a brake shop will remedy this problem as long as there is enough rotor width left for turning (i.e. within spec). There could be some possible front end suspension problem but a brake shop should be able to confirm warped rotors by a visual inspection which is free. ",rec.autos 3709," Whatever you do, don't FTP to the sites listed in my sig... You won't like what you find...really. I beg you NOT to GO there! PLEASE! ...e ",comp.graphics 3710,"Would someone please leave me the full address for Canon in Canada. thank you. --- Via UCI v1.21 (C-Net Amiga)",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3711,,None 3712," And you can bet that I wouldn't be the only one not belonging to the moderated group if it was moderated by an anally-retentive little dullard like yourself. I hardly need you to presume to lecture me on how to communicate my points of view. This ""posting"" that you have made is the second on the subject of the NHL letter and you have yet to communicate your opinion on the matter. Instead you content yourself with flaming me. Result: Moronic little busy bodies like yourself take advantage of a perceived opportunity to post rules for others to live by. Well if using it ""against"" me means you are going to post something of significance then by all means go ahead. I insist. Otherwise why don't you just go back to sleep or do whatever it is that you do when you are all by yourself... -- ",rec.sport.hockey 3713,"Just wanted to let all the people who e-mailed me about a possible Cardinals mailing list that I wasn't able to get the OK to host the list here so someone else will have to do it. :-( Many thanks to Bob Netherton for his helpful info.",rec.sport.baseball 3714," You may want to put Hubble back in the payload bay for a reboost, and you don't want to clip off the panels each time. For the Gamma-Ray Observatory, one of the design requirements was that there be no stored-energy mecahnisms (springs, explosive squibs, gas shocks, etc.) used for deployment. This was partially so that everything could be reeled back in to put it back in the payload bay, and partially for safety considerations. (I've heard that the wings on a cruise missile would cut you in half if you were standing in their swath when they opened.) Back when the shuttle would be going up every other day with a cost to orbit of $3.95 per pound :-), everybody designed things for easy servicing. ",sci.space 3715," Sounds like you are getting a pretty fair price (assuming it is in nice condition) ",rec.motorcycles 3716," You don't need any counterfeit athiest's myth to make religion appear absurd. You need only read any of friendly Christian Bill Conner's posts. ",alt.atheism 3717," Wow, hang on a second. The libertarian party stands for personal freedom, lassez-faire economics and minimal government. Whoever is describing the self as a Libertarian (maybe you were refering to the posters who call themselves civil libertarians) are not talking at all about Libertarian philosophy.",talk.politics.mideast 3718," I'm using DRDOS 6.0 with SuperStor for nearly 2 years now, and I'm wondering, if MSDOS 6.0 could keep up with it at last. Is there anybody who tried out both? What about this Double-Disk ? (had lots of problems with SStor too.) How much memory do you get? (I've got 616K with EMM and SStor) What about the on-line help (Really great in DRDOS) Any help appreciated. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3719," Sure! --------> OH! Sorry. This is not rec.humor! Try cica in pub/pc/win3. Get INDEX to see where it is.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3720,"If I remember rightly, there is a pulsating set of tones piped thru the CATV systems (somewheres near the FM broadcast band). And that the cable company trucks listen for this as they roam around town. If you can hear it over the air and not cable.... ",sci.electronics 3721,"I'd be interested in a copy of this code if you run across it. (Mail to the author bounced) > / hpldsla:comp.graphics / ricky@vnet.ibm.com (Rick Turner) / 12:53 am May 13, 1993 / > I fooled around with this problem a few years ago, and implemented a > simple method that ran on a PC. > was very simple - about 40 or 50 lines of code. . . . > Somewhere I still have it > and could dig it out if there was interest. > > Rick",comp.graphics 3722,"Hello: Do you know about a mouse odometer for windows? I have seen one for the Mac. It is quite fun. It records the distance, in miles, that the travels during use. Thanks in advance: Steve ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3723," Well, here is something I wrote some time ago in response to a similar question. I hope it helps: [Begin repeat of previous post] As for the scripture mentioned I agree that it does seem to be a problem, not only for eternal marriage but marriage in general. Luke's version has Jesus saying that the children of this world marry and are given in marriage but not those who will attain the kingdom of heaven. It almost sounds like marriage disqualifies one for salvation. (Matthew and Mark both omit this statement.) I think the accounts are not as clear as they might be. Let's have a look at the incident and see if we can come up with some reasonable ideas of what it means. The scriptures involved are Mat 22:23-30, Mark 12:18-25, and Luke 20:27-36. What happened was that the Sadducees, who did not believe in the resurrection, thought they could trap Jesus. They made reference to the ""Leverite"" marriage which required the brother of a man who died without children to take the widow to wife and raise up children. The children would be considered children of the deceased, just as though the woman's first husband had fathered them. It seems obvious from this that the woman was still considered in a way to be the wife of her first husband. However, the Sadducees concocted a scene in which 6 brothers of the deceased each in his turn failed to father children by the widow. They seem to imply that the Leverite marriage was equal to the first for they ask, ""Whose wife shall she be in the resurrection?"" At this point it seems obvious that if she is anybody's wife, it is the first husband. After all, had she borne children they would have been credited to him regardless of which brother was the biological father. It is possible Jesus was refering to this when he says, ""Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures or the power of God."" (Mat 22:29, compare Mark 12:24, phrase not in Luke's account). Anyway, the Sadducees ask, ""Whose wife will she be in the resurrection, seeing that all 7 had her?"" Jesus answer is that, ""In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage..."" (Mat 22:30) ""When they rise from the dead they neither marry..."" (Mark 12:25) ""They which are accounted worthy to obtain that world neither marry..."" (Luke 20:35) All 3 accounts go on to say, ""but are as the angels in heaven"" or the equivalent. I find this last not very helpful since the Bible does not define angels nor give any idea what their life is like. (Some ministers claim that they are sexless, different that humans etc. but I can find no Biblical support for this.)",soc.religion.christian 3724," Doing this in anything like reasonable time would require more propulsion capability than we can manage. You would have to boost to Pluto and then slow back down. You could do something like a Hohman orbit, but I think that would take ridiculous amounts of time (my Rubber Bible is at home). -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden",sci.space 3725," I don't know this specific ratio, but I do have an earlier post that says a gun is 33 times more likely to defend someone (including the times where the gun isn't fired, just scares the perpetrator away) than it is to kill someone. (including self defense) The post is kind of long, but I'll be glad to dig it up and email it to anyone who asks. Doug Holland -- ",talk.politics.guns 3726," Before we get into another discussion on the relative merits of a car alarm, let's go on the assumption that one is desired. The question then remains, which one? I've owned a Hornet, and was satisfied, but not enough to get another for my new car. The Alpine has been highly recommended, but what about Clifford and VSE's Derringer 2? Any others? I want all of the standard stuff; door lock interface, starter kill, light flash, LED, valet mode, passive/active, shock/motion sensor, etc... Thanks for the advice! ",rec.autos 3727," HST is about 25,500 lbs (11,600 kg). That doesn't include the cradle that would have been in the cargo bay when it was deployed. Spacelab-J on STS-47 was 21,861 lbs (according to the press-kit). As someone else pointed out if they had been unable to deploy it for some reason that would have had to land with it still in the cargo bay and this was a planned for contingency. This is not a problem for the shuttle, though it would eliminate KSC as a landing site, they still have to go to Edwards when landing with something like Spacelab in the cargo bay. --GaryM",sci.space 3728," Are the boards at all intelligent? (I.e., run by microcontrollers?) The easiest thing would be to have another line that says that one of the boards is talking to the PC. When this line was true, the other boards could all hold off and not send their data. This isn't a perfect solution, though, since you have to worry a little about making sure two boards don't decide to talk at the _exact same time_. Other than that, I think you will need to hook up each board to ""something"" that speaks RS-232. This actually isn't as hard (or as expensive!) as it used to be, though. Assuming the boards talk relatively slowly (9600 BPS or slower), the PICs can coordinate things between themselves to multiplex the data. (This is really just forbicly adding the suggestion in the first paragraph to your system. And it assumes that each board doesn't talk more than 1/8th of the time, of for very long, since a PIC isn't going to be able to buffer more than, maybe 20-some bytes!) You might want to check into the prices of multi-serial card for your PC, though. I recently bought a Boca Research 2x4 card (2 parallel ports, 4 RS-232 ports) for a very reasonable $85.",sci.electronics 3729,"I've recently been reading a paper of Merkle's (publixhed only on the net, I think) discussing three potential replacements for DES. Was anyting ever done with these? Are Khufu, Khafre, and/or Snefru still being discussed anywhere? (I know Snefru is referenced in the RSA FAQ, and I think it may also be in the sci.crypt FAQ.) On a related topic, can anyone point me toward good sites to find papers/articles/discussions of cryptology? I think I've about exhausted the Math/Sci library here, which doesn't seem to have anything more recent than about '84. Thanks.",sci.crypt 3730,"Stanley Cup Playoff stats through games played Sunday, April 25 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Top 20 Point Scorers Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player --- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------ 1 9 0 9 0 0 0 0 4 CAN BOS C 12 Adam Oates 2 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull 3 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 RUS BUF RW 89 Alexander Mogilny 3 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 CAN PIT C 66 Mario Lemieux 3 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 CAN CAL RW 14 Theoren Fleury 3 7 2 5 1 0 0 0 12 CAN TOR C 93 Doug Gilmour 3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 CAN DET D 77 Paul Coffey 3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 USA BUF C 16 Pat LaFontaine 9 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 CAN NYI C 20 Ray Ferraro 9 6 3 3 0 0 1 0 2 RUS VAN RW 10 Pavel Bure 9 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 0 RUS BUF LW 13 Yuri Khmylev 9 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 6 CAN VAN RW 16 Trevor Linden 9 6 2 4 1 0 0 0 2 CAN BUF C 10 Dale Hawerchuk 9 6 2 4 1 0 2 0 0 USA STL C 15 Craig Janney 9 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 CAN BOS C 49 *Joe Juneau 9 6 2 4 0 0 0 1 6 CAN CAL C 25 Joe Nieuwendyk 9 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 CAN STL D 21 Jeff Brown 9 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 CAN PIT C 10 Ron Francis Top 10 Goal Scorers Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player --- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------ 1 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 RUS BUF RW 89 Alexander Mogilny 2 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull 2 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 CAN WAS C 32 Dale Hunter 4 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 CAN PIT C 66 Mario Lemieux 4 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 CAN NYI C 20 Ray Ferraro 4 5 4 1 0 0 1 0 6 CAN TOR LW 14 Dave Andreychuk 4 5 4 1 1 0 0 0 4 CAN BOS RW 8 Cam Neely 4 4 4 0 2 0 0 0 2 USA LA C 12 Jimmy Carson 4 4 4 0 0 0 2 0 0 USA QUE RW 48 Scott Young Top 10 Assist Scorers Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player --- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------ 1 9 0 9 0 0 0 0 4 CAN BOS C 12 Adam Oates 2 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 CAN DET D 77 Paul Coffey 2 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 USA BUF C 16 Pat LaFontaine 4 7 2 5 1 0 0 0 12 CAN TOR C 93 Doug Gilmour 4 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 CAN STL D 21 Jeff Brown 4 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 CAN PIT C 10 Ron Francis 4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 USA WIN D 6 Phil Housley 4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 4 SWE WAS D 6 Calle Johansson 4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 8 CAN CAL D 2 Al MacInnis Top 10 Power-play Goal Scorers Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player --- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------ 1 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull 2 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 CAN WAS C 32 Dale Hunter 3 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 CAN CAL RW 14 Theoren Fleury 3 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 RUS BUF RW 89 Alexander Mogilny 3 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 CAN BOS C 49 *Joe Juneau 3 5 2 3 2 0 0 0 6 CAN STL LW 19 Brendan Shanahan 3 4 4 0 2 0 0 0 2 USA LA C 12 Jimmy Carson 3 4 2 2 2 0 0 0 2 TCH CAL C 26 Robert Reichel 3 4 3 1 2 0 1 0 2 FIN WIN RW 13 *Teemu Selanne 3 3 2 1 2 0 1 0 6 CAN MON LW 25 Vincent Damphousse All the Short-handed Goal Scorers Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player --- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------ 1 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 CAN CAL RW 14 Theoren Fleury 1 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 CAN PIT C 66 Mario Lemieux 1 4 3 1 0 1 1 0 4 USA CAL C 29 Joel Otto 1 4 2 2 0 1 0 0 6 USA CAL D 20 Gary Suter 1 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 23 RUS DET C 91 Sergei Fedorov 1 2 1 1 0 1 0 0 10 CAN BOS C 19 Dave Poulin 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 4 CAN WIN C 38 Luciano Borsato 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 CAN DET LW 11 Shawn Burr 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 CAN STL LW 10 Dave Lowry 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 USA BUF RW 18 Wayne Presley Top 10 Game-winning Goal Scorers Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player --- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------ 1 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull 1 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 CAN NYI C 20 Ray Ferraro 1 6 2 4 1 0 2 0 0 USA STL C 15 Craig Janney 1 4 4 0 0 0 2 0 0 USA QUE RW 48 Scott Young 5 6 3 3 0 0 1 0 2 RUS VAN RW 10 Pavel Bure 5 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 CAN PIT C 10 Ron Francis 5 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 0 RUS BUF LW 13 Yuri Khmylev 5 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 6 CAN VAN RW 16 Trevor Linden 5 5 4 1 0 0 1 0 6 CAN TOR LW 14 Dave Andreychuk 5 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 CAN WAS C 32 Dale Hunter Top 5 Point Scoring Defensemen Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player --- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------ 3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 CAN DET D 77 Paul Coffey 9 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 CAN STL D 21 Jeff Brown 19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 USA WIN D 6 Phil Housley 19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 4 SWE WAS D 6 Calle Johansson 19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 8 CAN CAL D 2 Al MacInnis Top 4 Rookie Point Scorers Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player --- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------ 9 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 CAN BOS C 49 *Joe Juneau 33 4 3 1 0 0 1 0 8 USA PIT C 15 *Shawn McEachern 33 4 3 1 2 0 1 0 2 FIN WIN RW 13 *Teemu Selanne 33 4 0 4 0 0 0 0 2 TCH BUF D 42 *Richard Smehlik Top 5 Penalty Minute Leaders Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player --- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------ 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 26 CAN DET LW 55 Keith Primeau 2 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 23 RUS DET C 91 Sergei Fedorov 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 22 CAN NYI D 47 Richard Pilon 4 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 21 CAN TOR RW 12 Rob Pearson 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 21 CAN WIN RW 20 Tie Domi",rec.sport.hockey 3731," Michael> The kind of interpretation I see as ""incredibly perverse"" is Michael> that applied to the story of Sodom as if it were a blanket Michael> equation of homosexual behavior and rape. Since Christians Michael> citing the Bible in such a context should be presumed to have Michael> at least READ the story, it amounts to slander -- a charge Michael> that homosexuality == rape -- to use that against us. and Michael> It is just Michael> as wrong (though slightly less incendiary, so it's a Michael> secondary argument from the 'phobic contingent) to equate Michael> homosexuality with such behavior as to equate it with the Michael> rape of God's messengers. Let's review the Sodom and Gomorrah story briefly. It states clearly that the visitors were angels. But ""all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house. They called to Lot, `Where are the *men* who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.' "" For the rest of the story the angels are referred to by the men of Sodom and by Lot as *men*. Furthermore we know from Gen 18:20,21 that the Lord had already found Sodom guilty of grievous sin--before the angels visited the city. It is clear that the grievous sin of Sodom and Gomorrah involved homosexual sex. It appears that the men had become so inflamed in their lust that they had group orgies in the public square--which simply indicates the extremity of their depravity. It does not show that lesser degrees of homosexuality are not sinful, as Michael would have us believe. Ultimately our understanding of God's will for sexuality comes from the creation story--not solely on the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. He created us male and female, and instituted marriage as a relationship between one male and one female, ""Therefore a man will leave his father and mother, and be united with his wife, and they will become one flesh."" This marriage relationship is the only sexual relationship which God blesses and sanctions. He regulates and protects the marriage of man and woman, and even uses it as a picture of the relationship between himself and his church. But we find not one word of blessing or regulation for a sexual relationship between two men, or between two women. Everything else that we find in the Bible about sexuality derives from or expresses God's will in instituting and blessing marriage. Thus the Levitical code, which was given only to the Jews, forbade incest, homosexuality, bestiality; the Ten Commandments forbade adultery and the coveting of our neighbor's wife; other commandments forbade rape. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were regarded as sexually immoral and perverse (Jude 7) because they abandoned and/or polluted the marriage relationship. Thus also Paul regarded homosexuality as `unnatural', Romans 1:26,27--not because this was simply Paul's opinion, but because it was contrary to God's purpose in creating us male and female. Michael> Christians, no doubt very sincere ones, keep showing up here Michael> and in every corner of USENET and the world, and ALL they Michael> ever do is spout these same old verses (which they obviously Michael> have never thought about, maybe never even read), in TOTAL Michael> ignorance of the issues raised, slandering us with the vilest Michael> charges of child abuse or whatever their perfervid minds can Michael> manage to conjure up, tossing out red herrings with (they Michael> suppose) great emotional force to cause readers to dismiss Michael> our witness without even taking the trouble to find out what Michael> it is. Really, have you no better response to `slander' than more slander?",soc.religion.christian 3732,"That's assuming it could get built by them. Of course, it would probably sport Cruise missile Racks, Sidewinder Missile tubes, Bomb Points, extra drop tanks, a Full ECM suite, Terrain following radar and stealth materials. IT might not fly, but a technology demonstrator does not require actual flight.",sci.space 3733,"I will remind this list that I have a booklet on Fatima I will send to any one who wants it. It is ""Our Lady of Fatima's Peace Plan from Heaven"". It is 30 pages in length and includes the Fatima story. If you want one or more, let me know.",soc.religion.christian 3734,"Wednesday's game of Beloved Yakult Swallows (At Jingu, 38,000) Hanshin Tigers 000 006 000 |6 Beloved Swallows 100 000 000 |1 W - Kasai (2-0). L - Ito (0-1). ---------------------------------------------------------------- CENTRAL LEAGUE STANDING ========================== W L T Pct. GB Hiroshima Carp 7 2 0 .778 -- Chunichi Dragons 7 3 0 .700 0.5 Hanshin Tigers 6 4 0 .600 1.5 Hated Giants 4 5 0 .444 3.0 Beloved Swallows 3 7 0 .300 4.5 Yokohama BayStars 2 8 0 .200 5.5 ------------------------------------------------------------------ --",rec.sport.baseball 3735," Pink noise has constant power per geometric frequency increment (octave, 1/3 octave, etc). Thus the 10kHz-20kHz octave has the same amount of noise power as the 10Hz-20Hz octave. White noise has constant power per arithmetic frequency increment (Hz, kHz, etc). Thus the 10kHz-10.1kHz band has the same amount of noise power as the 10Hz-110Hz band (both bands are 100Hz wide). Pink noise can be made by passing white noise thru a -3db/octave filter (usually approximated by a network of several RC pairs). Note: you can't get -3db/octave by using half a -6db/octave network :-( Pink noise is commonly used in audio power response measurements. It shows up on audio spectrum analyzers (with octave-related bands) as a flat line across the bands.",sci.electronics 3736," Yep. ",None 3737,"Why are people willing to trust the STU-III? Because the government does? ",sci.crypt 3738," Hmm...has anyone of us computer geeks (me included) ever consider that inovation is not limited to software/hardware. True, MS products do not boast features that MS invented, but how many products out there by other vendors out there are truely innovative in their continuing development? I think what makes MS special to the public is thier innovative pricing. It is true the XWindows/MAC/NEXT all have some feature(s) in thier GUI that are better than MS. But people like me can't afford them. It is true that Apple has lower their pricing on the low end models.. but they are just that...low end. System 7 is a better operating system, but the machines they operate on just are too expensive for my tastes...A UNIX platform is powerful enuf, but tell the common user to set up .Xdefault (i am still confused on what some of them things do) and they either puke or faint. If u think about it, low prices aint innovative if u come down to it. But for the product it offers and on the lower cost (and powerful hardware that it runs on as compare to macs)....MS is kinda innovative.. Oh yea, I guess the fact that the support products and applications they have garnered for MSWindows does make them kinda innovative too.. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3739,"My 85 Caprice Classic with 120K+ miles has finally reached the threshold of total number of mechanical problems that I am forced to post :). Anyone out there who might be able to give me some pointers on one or more of the below, please e-mail or post! 1. When making turns, especially when accelerating, there is usually a loud ""thunk"" from the rear of of the car. Sounds like it could be the differential. What could cause this? Is the differential going bad? I recently had the differential fluid changed, and it DID have tiny metal bits in it. (And no, the sound is NOT something rolling around in the trunk!) 2. On starting the car, I get blue (oil) smoke from the exhaust for 5-10 seconds. Exhaust valves going bad? Worn rings? Anyone know whether the valves on the 4.3 TBI engine can be lapped? 3. Brakes. More pedal travel than I feel comfortable with, but master cylinder is full and fluid is relatively clear. Pedal does NOT slowly sink to the floor when held down. Pedal does not feel spongey, but I suppose that bleeding the brakes might help -- could anything else cause this? 4. Tranny. Tranny problems seem to be slowly getting worse -- takes almost 2 seconds to downshift from 3rd to 2nd on heavy throttle application, and more recently, it is reluctant to shift from 2nd to 3rd. Fluid (checked with car running with tranny put through all the gears and then back to park, as per Haynes manual) is red and clear, and is on full mark. 5. My springs all around are just about shot -- I have 4 new shocks on, but car still skips out on bumps in turns at moderate to high speed. How hard are they to change? Can they be reconditioned? I'd be interested in hearing from any GM full-size RWD owners out there with stories to tell and/or advice. Here in Philly, these cars are apparently stolen(!) quite often and converted into taxis. Apparently the cab conversion shops will get a junk title for the car or switch VINs with a car about to be junked. About 60% of Philly cabs are Caprice's, with most of the rest being Crown Vic's with a few old New Yorkers and Impalas (& Broughams).",rec.autos 3740,"1990 Mazda 626 DX $6000 or best offer NADA blue book: $9075 - $2175 for mileage = $6900 e-mail or call Ron at (908)805-2248 (work) or (908)454-9337 (home) * 92,000 miles, all highway (I used to commute 160 miles/day) * 5 speed * Air Conditioning * AM/FM/Cassette stereo * split fold-down rear seat * 2.2 liter, 12 valve, fuel injected engine * roomy interior, comfy back seats, big trunk * well maintained - oil and filter every 3,000 - 4,000, other maintanence as scheduled. Except for the timing belt which still looks new. I did slip and went 5,000 miles without changing the oil once. * tires have 20,000 miles, lots of life left (probably 30,000 to 40,000) * front brake job at 84,000, back brakes are still good * engine/trans/drive train in perfect condition - everything works, nothing needs replacing, next tune up scheduled at 120,000 * body is good - left tail light is cracked (I'm trying to find a used one - dealer wants $172!), two long scratches and a ding on the hood (vandalism?), a bunch of stone chips on the front of the hood. Official Mazda touch up paint included in the deal. This car is extremely reliable, even better than the Toyota Corolla it replaced. Besides the tires, brakes and maintanence items, the only other parts that have been replaced are the headlight bulbs. Selling because my wife refuses to drive a car without an automatic trans. And she wants a station wagon with a sun roof, etc, etc.",misc.forsale 3741," If you already own all the ""clone"" equipment then there are lots of such programs (see a current copy of Unix World Magazine). *BUT* your performance WILL suck lemons running an Xserver on a clone. (From experience). You would be much better off with an Xterminal if this is a new install. The performance will be at least four times better. In addition it would be MUCH easier to install and use. On top of that they will cost about the same (price a clone with 4MB RAM, ethernet card, very high performance graphics card, GOOD monitor, server software, TCP/IP for clone software, mouse, keyboard, etc, etc, etc.... you spend a whole lot of $$$$). I can get 15"" Tektronix XP11 terminals for under $900, and the performance is over 80000 Xstones.....",comp.windows.x 3742," Actually, I find the stuff about JC being a carpenter more interesting. Is there an independent source for this assertion, or is it all from the Christian Bible? Is there any record at all of anything he built? A table, a house, some stairs (Norm Abrams says the real test of a carpenter's skill is building stairs with hand tools). Did he leave any plans behind for, say kitchen counters and cabinets? Did he build his own cross? If so, did he use pressure-treated lumber? Gotta use that pressure-treated anywhere that wood meets concrete, but it holds up better anyway for mose outdoor applications. I keep seeing these bumper-stickers that say ""My boss is a Jewish Carpenter,"" but they're always on the back of Ford Escorts, and a real carpenter's apprentice would probably drive a pickup, so I'm out for verification that he really was a carpenter. Dean Kaflowitz",alt.atheism 3743,"ST> as for more captain trivia, the next Edmonton ST> catain was Lee Fogilin who was later traded to ST> the Buffalo Sabres, after him was Wayne Gretzky ST> who w traded to L A, then came Kevin Low who ST> nly this year was traded to the N Y Rangers Wasn't Mark Messier Captain of the oilers before Kevin Lowe? But, of course, he was traded as well -- so your point of every Oilers captain being traded is still true.",rec.sport.hockey 3744,"There's been some discussion very recently as to whether the government once again might exempt themselves from something they use to screw us over... Well, from comp.dcom.telecom: From: lesreeves@attmail.com Subject: Odds 'n Ends in the News * The Clipper Chip device introduced yesterday by AT&T may not be suitable for government use, says House Telecom Subcommittee Chairman Markey. In a letter to Commerce Secretary Brown, Markey asked whether the use of the technology could lead to ""inadvertently increased costs to those U.S. companies hoping to serve both"" the government and private markets. Markey has ordered Brown to answer several questions about security and cost concerns by April 28. (Communications Daily, 4/20/93)",sci.crypt 3745,"......... I, some years ago, almost became a victim of this. Squirted a fair amount in an old model 15 Teletype which was acting up, then turned it on. The eruption when the motor starting contacts broke was mighty spectacular... I almost got my eyebrows singed, the plastic (old ones had safety glass) cover over the platen, etc flew across the room, and several people in the room almost had heart attacks. Beware the explosive properties of WD40 vapor. ",sci.electronics 3746," There's a blurb in the STATS Scoreboard about this, and though I don't have the book with me here, my memory is that the best at hitting sac flies were far below this 60% number.",rec.sport.baseball 3747,"I have a stack of records LP 33 that are from the early sixtys to mid seventys with groups like the Beatles, Cream, Woodstock (triple album) etc etc. that I would like to get rid of. I would be willing to sell one or all for whatever resonable offer. Some albums still have the original wrapper and price tag. I would like to get around $5 for each or you can call and make offer on the lot. I could list them all but I'd be typing forever. call (408) 296-4444 ",misc.forsale 3748," I'd appreciate some support for this statement. I'm not sure it really makes sense to me. I've heard this frequently - what exactly is Pascal's wager? I don't know. You point out that your mother's treatment upset you, and see inconsistencies in various religions. I'm not sure if that constitutes broken-ness or not. It certainly consititutes disillusionment.",soc.religion.christian 3749," I would change one of the many parts that define my cultural identity. If I loose a leg, it might change my personality, but I do not stop being a human being. Even more, when someone gets a baboon heart, that person is still human. Not really. That is what differenciates agnostics from atheists. As an atheist, I do not believe there is a god, nor do I believe that there ever was one. So, those commandments have no meaning to me. Also, there are a lot of ideas that have no meaning to me: The idea of a chosen people, the idea of a given right to the land of Israel, the idea of keeping kosher, the idea of opposing intermarriage, the idea of having a Torah that was inspired by god, etc. By being an atheist, I cannot support the idea of the Jewish Nation as defined by a religious principle or based on a religious identity. For me, religion is just another piece in what constitutes the cultural identity of the Jewish people. I believe that as a people with a cultural identity they constitute a Nation and have the same right as any other people in the world to have their own State. The same right as the Armenians have, as the Palestinians have, as the French have, and as anybody else have. I cannot say that by accepting a different god someone has lost all cultural identification. ",talk.politics.mideast 3750,"& & And speaking of shims, why would the clearance of the valves get smaller, & i.e. & need the use of a thinner shim? Because the valves recede into the cylinder head faster than the shims/cams wear down.. ",rec.motorcycles 3751,"With the Southern Baptist Convention convening this June to consider the charges that Freemasonry is incompatible with christianity, I thought the following quotes by Mr. James Holly, the Anti-Masonic Flag Carrier, would amuse you all... The following passages are exact quotes from ""The Southern Baptist Convention and Freemasonry"" by James L. Holly, M.D., President of Mission and Ministry To Men, Inc., 550 N 10th St., Beaumont, TX 77706. The inside cover of the book states: ""Mission & Ministry to Men, Inc. hereby grants permission for the reproduction of part or all of this booklet with two provisions: one, the material is not changed and two, the source is identified."" I have followed these provisions. ""Freemasonry is one of the allies of the Devil"" Page iv. ""The issue here is not moderate or conservative, the issue is God and the Devil"" Page vi."" ""It is worthwhile to remember that the formulators of public school education in America were Freemasons"" Page 29. ""Jesus Christ never commanded toleration as a motive for His disciples, and toleration is the antithesis of the Christian message."" Page 30. ""The central dynamic of the Freemason drive for world unity through fraternity, liberty and equality is toleration. This is seen in the writings of the 'great' writers of Freemasonry"". Page 31. ""He [Jesus Christ] established the most sectarian of all possible faiths."" Page 37. ""For narrowness and sectarianism, there is no equal to the Lord Jesus Christ"". Page 40. ""What seems so right in the interest of toleration and its cousins-liberty, equality and fraternity-is actually one of the subtlest lies of the 'father of lies.'"" Page 40. ""The Southern Baptist Convention has many churches which were founded in the Lodge and which have corner stones dedicated by the Lodge. Each of these churches should hold public ceremonies of repentance and of praying the blood and the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ over the church and renouncing the oaths taken at the dedication of the church and/or building."" Page 53-54. ",alt.atheism 3752," Actually there is an S3-based card on the market that supports multiple adapters in one system. Unfortunately, It is VL-Bus only (They may have an ISA version by now...?) from a company called Metheus. The address and phone number is: Metheus Corp OGC Science Park 1600 NW Compton Dr. Beaverton, OR 97006-6905 (503)-690-1550 Be aware, this is a very high-end card, capable of 4MB of VRAM, so it does not come CHEAP. But, I have personally seen TWO of these boards running a dual screen Windows 3.1. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3753,"I have a Bronica SQA medium format camera for sale. Includes 2 lenses, 1 film back, and a view finder. $2.200.00 firm. Contact me via E-mail for info. ",misc.forsale 3754," I suppose it's too late now, but the repeated use of the word ""release"" is peculiar. Let's say you and your family are besieged in your home by some people with tanks, helicopters, and automatic weapons. They give you a break from the amplified sounds of dying rabbits to blare, ""You in there! Release the children, and they'll be perfectly all right."" Stipulate on top of that that you may not have your epistemology entirely in order. Is it entirely surprising that the Branch Davidians were reluctant to ""release"" their children into FBI custody?",talk.politics.guns 3755," I'm curious. Are you referring to Koresh as ""the Man""? Why the upper case M? I never claimed to be a spokesman for ""most people"". It is an assumption on my part that people with normal values and morality would be more concerned with human life than sermon structure. Are burning children part of this very special event? What about those who do not know the Master's voice? Does the Master not care about them? Eloquent, but corrupt, preaching may be of little difference to you. But I suspect it made a big difference to all of those who died in the compound. ",talk.religion.misc 3756," The Fat Lady is about to hit the first note...Okay,how about 3-0 deficits? The B's chances for a comeback are now less 1%(That's based on 7-game playoff format)... He got the start but the headlines on all Boston local TV sportscats said it all : ""Sutter Blue It!"". And he did. Harry Sinden's appearance outside of B's dressing room after Game 3 was a pathetic site. He said something really retarded to cover Sutter's behind,""This game is not about winning or losing.."". Harry,check the schedule! Your team is in the playoffs and about to go on a long summer vacation on Sunday morning! Harry and his buttkisser Milbury will never admit that they screwed up in a major way when they brought in one of the dumbest people in the business,Brian Sutter. Sutter's playoff record as the head coach in St.Louis speaks for itself. The Blues really have a chance to advance to the second round this year...",rec.sport.hockey 3757,"was Yuppies started Yep, that's when I noticed it too. I stopped replacing the hood badge after the second or third one (at $12.00 each). 2002 drivers used to flash their headlight at each other in greeting. Try flashing your headlights at a 318i driver and see what kind of look you get. They usually check their radar detector...they think you're alerting them to a cop.",rec.autos 3758," Climbers regard 8000 metres and up as ""The Death Zone"". Even on 100% Oxygen, you are slowly dying. At 8848m (Everest), most climbers spend only a short period of time before descending. I've been above 8000 once. Descending as little as 300m feels like walking into a jungle, the air is so thick. Everest in winter without oxygen, no support party (Alpine style). That is the ""ultimate challenge"" (or is it solo?)",sci.space 3759,"In the King James Version of the Bible there are three differents words translated into the word ""hell"". These Greek words have totally different meanings. The words are Hades, Tartaros, and Gehenna. In bibical usage, the Greek word Hades is used only 11 times in the New Testament, and is roughly the equivalent to the Old Testament word Sheol... meaning the grave or pit (compare Acts 2:27 with Psalms 16:10). Hades may be likened to a hole in the ground. (In the Bible it has nothing to do with fire!) Most modern bibical translators admit that the use in the English word hell to translate Hades and Sheol are an unfortunate and misleading practice. Why? Because when seeing the word ""hell"" many readers impute to it the traditional connotation of an ever-burning inferno, when this was never remotely intended in the Greek language or in Old English! In its true bibical usage Hades does indeed refer to the state or abode of the dead, but not in the sense of spirits walking around in some sort of ""shadowy realm."" Hades is simply the abode we call the grave. All dead go to this hell. The second ""hell"" of the Bible, Tartaros, is mentioned only once in scripture, 2 Pet.2:4; ""For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell (TARTAROS), and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment..."" Following their rebellion to unseat God from His throne (Isa.14:12-14; Rev.12:4), the archangel Lucifer (now Satan) and a third of the created angels (now demons) were ejected from heaven (Luke 10:18). They were cast down to Tartaros, a place or condition of restraint that God has imposed on the mutinous angels as they await ultimate judgment (Jude 6; 1 Cor.6:3). Tartaros, then, is a ""hell"" that applies only to evil, rebellious angels or demons (It is interesting that the ancient Greeks used this word to describe the place in which Zeus confined the rebellious Titans). Nowhere in the Bible is there any mention of men being put into this particular ""hell"". The the third word that is translated as ""hell"" in the Bible is Gehenna. It comes from the Hebrew GAI HINNOM, meaning ""valley of Hinniom."" Hinnom is a deep, narrow ravine located to the south and southwest of Jerusalem. In Old Testament times it was a place of abominable pagan rites, including infant sacrifice (It was there that the apostate kings Ahaz and Manasseh made their children ""pass through the fire"" to the god Molech. The rites were specifically celebrated in Tophet, the ""place of abhorrence,"" one of the chief groves in the valley). King Josiah of ancient Judah finally put an end to these abominations. He defiled the valley, rendering it ceremonially unclean (2 Kings 23:10). Later the valley became the cesspool and city dump of Jerusalem; a repository for sewage, refuse and animal carcasses. The bodies of dispised criminals were also burned there along with the rubbish. Fires burned continuously, feeding by a constant supply of garbage and refuse. Aceldama, the ""field of blood"", purchased with the money Judas received for the betrayal of Christ (Matt.27:8) was also in part of the valley of Hinnom. So what does this valley called Gehenna have to do with hell? In Rev.19:20: the Satan inspired political dictator and a miracle-working religious figure, the False Prophet, working with him will resist the re-establishment of the government of God by Jesus Christ at His Second Coming. Their fate is revealed by the apostle John: ""And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet... These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."" Where will this temporary lake of fire (this ""hell"") be? The prophet Isaiah wrote of this lake of fire prepared for the Beast: ""For Tophet (in the valley of Hinnom) is ordained of old, yea for the king it is prepared, he hath made it deep and large, the pile thereof is fire and wood, the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it"" (Isa.30:33). One thousand years later, Satan himself will be cast into this rekindled fiery lake where the Beast and False Prophet were cast! (Rev.20:10). But what of the wicked who have died over the millennia? Does the Bible say that they are now suffering fiery punishment for their sins in a lake of fire? In the sequence of Rev.20 the incorrigibly wicked are resurrected to be thrown into the lake of fire after Satan is cast there! (Rev.20:15). What will become of these wicked? Will they writhe in flames for eternity? The wicked will be burned up from the intense heat of the coming Gehenna fire on the earth. They wil be consumed, annihilated, destroyed! This punishment will be everlasting (permanent and final). The Bible calls it the ""second death"" (Rev.20:14; 21:8), from which there is no possibility of a further resurrection. The Bible does teach eternal punishment, but not eternal punishing. The prophet Malachi provides a graphic description. ""For, behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble, and the day that cometh shall burn them up..."" (4:1). To the righteous, God says that the wicked shall be ""ashes under the soles of your feet...""(Mal.4:3). Gehenna was a place of destruction and death, not a place of living torture! Jesus was talking to Jews who understood all about this Gehenna or valley of Hinnom. Utter destruction by fire was complete. Nothing was left, but ashes! Every text in the Bible translated from this Greek word Gehenna means complete destruction, not living torture (not eternal life in torment)! The Bible says, in Romans 6:23, ""The wages of sin is death"", not eternal life in torture. The punishment revealed in the Bible is Death... the cessation of life. ",talk.religion.misc 3760,"Since I started this twist of this thread... Actually you fell into the above because you said ""I believe"" If you had used the rest of this post in your previous post I do not think anyone would have agrued with you. The following three are not the competition for Windows 3.0 (IMHO of course) System 7 -- Does not currently run on Intel boxes NeXTSTep -- Rather expensive should be a competitor to Windows NT not 3.x Unix/X -- "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" With the exception of OS/2 all of the above will require most users to spend a very large sum of money to upgrade applications to ones that run under these OS's. And basically money speaks louder than anything else. You keep saying ""More stable multitasking"" is what you mean ""Not Multi-finder / GEM / GeoWorks co-operative multi-tasking but real honest to goodness prioritized pre-emptive multi-tasking""? Basically this is moot since most users have been able to share data for quite a long time, but are still to blind to know it. Why pick it up? You stated the reasons behind your opinions. Stated them in a very straight-forward, though over protective, manner. And aside from my earlier comments about who actually is a competitor, I think we are in agreement. Does Tim Glauert agree? Let's wait and see. -- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are mine not those of BNR.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3761,,None 3762," It was Clint Malarchuk Whatever happened to him, anyway?",None 3763,"In Win 3.1, one may assign hot-keys for the program items within the Program Manager. How about the Program Manager itself? Is there one already, or is there some way to assign one?",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3764," This sounds suspiciously like black magic to me. If by ""quick wiggle to the right"" you mean that the handlebars turn toward the right before turning to the left, what is the input to the steering mechanism that makes this happen in the absence of the old ""shove-shove""?",rec.motorcycles 3765," I hope this makes you feel better, but the overtime between the Isles and the Caps was GREAT!!! ",rec.sport.hockey 3766," You asked me to look over here, but I was on my way back anyway :-) #[reply to cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb)] # #>If morals come from what is societally accepted, why follow that? What #>right do we have to expect others to follow our notion of societally #>mandated morality? Pardon the extremism, but couldn't I murder your #>""brother"" and say that I was exercising my rights as I saw them, was #>doing what felt good, didn't want anyone forcing their morality on me, #>or I don't follow your ""morality"" ? # #I believe that morality is subjective. Each person is entitled to his #own moral attitudes. Mine are not a priori more correct than someone #elses. This does not mean however that I must judge another on the #basis of his rather than my moral standards. While he is entitled to #believe what his own moral sense tells him, the rest of society is #entitled to pass laws spelling out punishments for behavior that is #offensive to the majority. Why? Your last statement. Why? By which authority? #Most criminals do not see their behavior as moral. The may realize that #it is immoral and not care. They are thus not following their own moral #system but being immoral. For someone to lay claim to an alternative #moral system, he must be sincere in his belief in it and it must be #internally consistent. Why? Your last statement. Why are these things necessary? And believe me, a belief in terrorism can be both sincere and frighteningly consistent. #Some sociopaths lack an innate moral sense and #thus may be incapable of behaving morally. While someone like Hitler #may have believed that his actions were moral, we may judge him immoral #by our standards. Holding that morality is subjective does not mean #that we must excuse the murderer. Trouble is, this would sound just fine coming from someone like Hitler, too. (I do *not* mean any comparison or offence, David.) Try substituting the social minority of your choice for 'sociopath', 'Hitler', and 'murderer'. No logical difference. Someone like you, vs. someone like Hitler. Zero sum. ",alt.atheism 3767," I need help in creating my 4x4 perspective matrix. I'd like to use this for transforming x, y, z, w in some texture mapping code I got from Graphics Gems I. I have many books which talk about this, but none of them in simple plain english. If you have Graphics Gems I, I'm talking about page 678. I'd like to have a perspective matrix that handles different field-of-views and aspect of course. Thank's for your help. ca2 = cos(alpha / 2) Horizontal sa2 = sin(alpha / 2) cb2 = cos(beta / 2) Vertical sb2 = sin(beta 7 2) Zf = Far clipping value Zn = Near clipping value Matrix: [[ca2/sa2 0 0 0] [0 cb2/sb2 0 0] [0 0 Zf/(Zf-Zn) 1] [0 0 -Zn*Zf/(Zf-Zn) 0]]",comp.graphics 3768,"[referring to Mary] I have quite a problem with the idea that Mary never committed a sin. Was Mary fully human? If it is possible for God to miraculously make a person free of original sin, and free of committing sin their whole life, then what is the purpose of the Incarnation of Jesus? Why can't God just repeat the miracle done for Mary to make all the rest of us sinless, without the need for repentance and salvation and all that? I don't particularly object to the idea of the assumption, or the perpetual virginity (both of which I regard as Catholic dogma about which I will agree to disagree with my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ), and I even believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, but this concept of Mary's sinlessness seems to me to be at odds with the rest of Christian doctrine as I understand it.",soc.religion.christian 3769,": I just bought a new IDE hard drive for my system to go with the one : I already had. My problem is this. My system only had a IDE cable : for one drive, so I had to buy cable with two drive connectors : on it, and consequently have to switch cables. The problem is, : the new hard drive's manual refers to matching pin 1 on the cable : with both pin 1 on the drive itself and pin 1 on the IDE card. But : for the life of me I cannot figure out how to tell which way to plug : in the cable to align these. Most IDE drives that I have dealt with have had pin 2 labeled on the printed circuit board (this is sufficient to determine which side is which). If your IDE drive does not have a label, then you can look for a polarization notch in the receptacle (the connector on the drive with the pins). If the receptacle is center polarized, that is it has one rectangular notch about 4 mm wide positioned in the center of one side, then you can identify pin 1 as follows: look into the pins with the notch at the top, pin 1 is at the top right. On all drives I have seen this is toward the power connector. As for which pin is pin 1 on the controller, well you can use the same criteria but look hard for the labelling of any pin. Once you know which end pin 1&2 are on or pins 39 & 40 (the oposite end), then you are all set. All you need to do is keep the pin 1 end connected to the pin 1 end. You don't even have to look at the cable itself. Just trace the pin 1 side of the cable through. Usually the pin 1 of the cable is identified by a different color (red usually). But beware - many cable makers are not very careful about this - I have seen cables with pin 40 being the one marked red. Of course with non-polarized connectors this doesn't matter - you can plug the cable in either way and YOU decide which side is pin 1. : Secondly, the cable has like a connector at two ends and one between them. : I figure one end goes in the controler and then the other two go into : the drives. Does it matter which I plug into the ""master"" drive : and which into the ""Slave""? any help appreciated. thanks... It doesn't matter what gets plugged where. But it does matter how the drives are jumpered. There will be (amongst other options) two jumpers that you should be concerned with on BOTH drives. One jumper will select whether the drive is the slave or the master. If it is the master, then a second jumper selects whether or not a slave is present. You will have to consult the docuementation that came with you drives. If you do not have docuementation, then just call the manufacturers hotline number or fax number if they have one. This kind of information is routinely needed by people just like yourself. They will fax you complete info about the jumpers. If you don't have convenient access to a fax machine, then you can usually get voice help. Or post the specific question to this group. (I probably won't be able to help you). Good Luck",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3770,"Here are the final stadings for the USENET Hockey Draft. Congratulations to this year's winner, Dave Wessels of Victoria, B.C., who parlayed his initial 1000 points into 1575.9 points! Thanks to all 262 teams for entering the biggest USENET Hockey Draft ever! I hope to hear from you all again this September, for the 7th Annual draft. It has been my pleasure running the draft, and I hope you all had fun. - Andrew USENET Hockey Draft Standings Week 28 Posn Team Total Pts Cash Last Posn 1. Dave Wessels 1575.9 1574 1.9 (1) 2. Gilles Carmel 1539.0 1538 1.0 (3) Bob Hill 1539.0 1515 24.0 (2) 4. Seppo Kemppainen 1515.2 1468 47.2 (4) 5. The Awesome Oilers 1513.0 1458 68.6 (5) 6. Hillside Raiders 1503.0 1496 7.0 (6) 7. Mak ""The Knife"" Paranjape 1500.0 1469 31.0 (7) 8. Jan Stein 1492.3 1457 35.3 (8) 9. this years model 1488.6 1471 17.6 (9) 10. Tapio Repo 1486.6 1467 19.6 (10) 11. Rangers Of Destiny 1486.0 1444 42.0 (10) 12. The Underachievers 1459.1 1449 10.1 (13) 13. FRANK'S BIG FISH 1457.0 1435 22.0 (12) 14. Go Flames 1448.3 1408 40.3 (15) 15. On Thin Ice 1444.3 1412 32.3 (14) 16. Mopar Muscle Men 1441.7 1438 3.7 (17) 17. littlest giants 1439.6 1404 35.6 (16) 18. Lindros Losers 1427.7 1426 1.7 (18) 19. DIE Penguin Bandwaggoners 1412.2 1392 20.2 (19) 20. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 1401.9 1397 4.9 (20) 21. Boomer's Boys 1374.2 1374 0.2 (21) 22. Delaware Wombats 1372.3 1371 1.3 (23) 23. General Accounting Office 1365.9 1345 20.9 (22) 24. Migods Menschen 1365.6 1334 31.6 (24) 25. Wellsy's Buttheads DEC NH 1363.6 1311 52.6 (25) 26. Fife Flyers 1356.4 1325 31.4 (27) 27. Rocky Mountain High 1352.8 1351 1.8 (26) 28. Dave Snell 1346.0 1321 25.0 (29) 29. Fluide Glacial 1341.0 1323 18.0 (30) 30. Gerald Olchowy 1337.7 1304 33.7 (28) 31. Gaoler 1317.2 1306 11.2 (31) 32. SmegHeads 1316.3 1316 0.3 (32) 33. Neural Netters 1309.3 1298 11.3 (35) 34. The Young And The Skateless 1307.9 1265 42.9 (33) 35. Sam & His Dogs 1297.6 1286 11.6 (34) 36. Artic Storm 1293.3 1254 39.3 (37) 37. Youngbucs 1293.0 1238 101.7 (36) 38. Soft Swedes 1284.9 1238 46.9 (38) 39. Simmonac 1280.8 1260 20.8 (46) 40. Milton Keynes Kings 1271.8 1269 2.8 (40) 41. Jeff Horvath 1266.6 1261 5.6 (39) 42. Legion of Hoth 1265.8 1250 15.8 (45) 43. Le Fleur de Lys 1264.3 1239 25.3 (43) 44. Yan The Man Loke 1263.7 1263 0.7 (44) 45. Kuehn Crushers 1258.1 1213 45.1 (41) 46. Hamster from Hoboken 1254.7 1246 8.7 (41) 47. Streaks 1249.8 1195 54.8 (49) 48. Brian Bergman 1249.3 1226 23.3 (50) 49. The Finnish Force 1248.5 1226 22.5 (47) 50. Grant Marven 1239.9 1237 2.9 (53) 51. ice legion 1239.8 1211 28.8 (48) 52. Goaldingers 1237.0 1215 22.0 (51) 53. T C OverAchievers 1231.9 1229 2.9 (52) 54. Randy Coulman 1226.2 1221 5.2 (62) 55. Bozrah Bruins 1225.2 1180 45.2 (54) 56. Skriko Wolves 1223.4 1218 5.4 (57) 57. buffalo soldiers 1223.0 1168 62.1 (59) 58. Houdini's Magicians 1221.3 1203 18.3 (56) 59. Steven And Mark Dream Team 1219.1 1216 3.1 (64) 60. Real Bad Toe Jam 1216.9 1168 48.9 (55) 61. rec.sport.hockey choices 1216.3 1215 1.3 (58) 62. bemybaby 1216.2 1162 54.2 (60) 63. LAMP LIGHTERS 1213.9 1208 5.9 (63) 64. LIPPE 1212.9 1199 13.9 (61) 65. Phil and Kev's Karma Dudes 1205.8 1205 0.8 (69) 66. Doug Bowles 1203.0 1183 20.0 (72) 67. Bloom County All Stars 1202.3 1198 4.3 (67) 68. Tom 1202.1 1189 13.1 (66) 69. Indianapolis Bennies 1197.8 1177 20.8 (65) 70. Bruins 1196.1 1196 0.1 (68) 71. smithw 1195.0 1174 21.0 (70) 72. AIK Exiles 1188.5 1154 34.5 (77) 73. Iowa Hockeyes 1188.3 1172 16.3 (71) 74. Frank Worthless 1186.3 1180 6.3 (76) 75. The Great Pumpkin 1183.4 1129 54.4 (73) 76. NON! 1182.4 1166 16.4 (74) 77. shooting seamen 1180.1 1180 0.1 (75) 78. Invisible Inc 1178.1 1177 1.1 (78) 79. Brad Gibson 1174.2 1147 27.2 (79) 80. Cougarmania 1170.8 1146 24.8 (80) 81. John Zupancic 1170.1 1143 27.1 (84) 82. David Wong 1166.0 1111 66.1 (83) 83. garryola 1165.7 1156 9.7 (85) 84. Gary Bergman Fan Club 1163.1 1158 5.1 (86) Staffan Axelsson 1163.1 1148 15.1 (87) 86. Kortelaisen Kovat 1158.0 1103 164.1 (81) 87. Chocolate Rockets 1154.5 1152 2.5 (90) 88. PLP Fools 1153.1 1153 0.1 (82) 89. The Kamucks 1152.0 1097 76.1 (97) 90. Chubby Checkers 1150.3 1134 16.3 (88) KODIAKS 1150.3 1149 1.3 (93) 92. Derrill's Dastardly Dozen 1150.1 1128 22.1 (89) 93. Ken DeCruyenaere 1147.0 1142 5.0 (91) 94. Fisher Dirtbags 1146.7 1146 0.7 (92) 95. Neil Younger 1145.2 1131 14.2 (106) 96. BSC Oranienburg 1144.1 1137 7.1 (96) 97. No Namers 1138.0 1083 58.2 (94) 98. Arsenal Maple Leafs 1137.8 1134 3.8 (98) 99. The Campi Machine 1137.0 1082 65.3 (95) 100. Mombasa Mosquitos 1131.1 1125 6.1 (100) 101. Bjoern Leaguen 1130.0 1127 3.0 (103) 102. Ellis Islanders 1123.6 1116 7.6 (99) 103. Zachmans Wingers 1122.8 1073 49.8 (101) 104. King Suke 1120.1 1120 0.1 (108) 105. Larry 1116.8 1105 11.8 (109) 106. VoteNoOct26 1115.8 1084 31.8 (111) 107. Bloodgamers 1115.1 1073 42.1 (112) Het Schot Is Hard 1115.1 1097 18.1 (110) 109. Hurricane Andrew 1114.6 1107 7.6 (107) 110. Dirty White Socks 1114.4 1071 43.4 (104) 111. Wormtown Woosbags 1114.0 1059 72.6 (105) 112. Bruce's Rented Mules 1111.9 1100 11.9 (112) 113. Oklahoma Stormchasers 1111.3 1083 28.3 (116) 114. Teem Kanada 1111.0 1095 16.0 (114) 115. Edelweiss 1110.9 1108 2.9 (102) 116. Frank's Follies 1110.2 1086 24.2 (115) 117. Pond Slime 1109.7 1109 0.7 (118) 118. SPUDS 1108.6 1096 12.6 (117) 119. PSV Dartmouth 1097.1 1090 7.1 (119) 120. Kokudo Keikaku Bunnies 1096.3 1056 40.3 (124) 121. Blue Talon 1095.3 1082 13.3 (121) 122. Stanford Ice Hawks 1094.2 1066 28.2 (122) 123. Timo Ojala 1088.3 1088 0.3 (125) 124. Mark Sanders 1088.1 1077 11.1 (120) 125. Aye Carumba!!! 1087.9 1084 3.9 (123) 126. Dirty Rotten Puckers 1087.2 1086 1.2 (128) 127. garys team 1087.1 1070 17.1 (133) 128. Cluster Buster 1084.6 1077 7.6 (127) 129. Haral 1083.3 1076 7.3 (126) 130. Apricot Fuzzfaces 1081.3 1058 23.3 (129) 131. Gary Bill Pens Dynasty 1078.6 1059 19.6 (132) 132. Seattle PFTB 1077.9 1055 22.9 (135) 133. Nesbitt 1077.1 1076 1.1 (131) 134. The Lost Poots 1076.7 1070 6.7 (130) 135. Le Groupe MI 1076.2 1046 30.2 (137) 136. Arctic Circles 1075.6 1038 37.6 (134) 137. Late Night with David Letterman 1074.0 1074 0.0 (136) 138. Wembley LostWeekenders 1071.3 1071 0.3 (145) 139. Wild Hearted Sons 1068.9 1064 4.9 (143) 140. Dree Hobbs 1066.4 1053 13.4 (149) 141. Closet Boy's Boys 1066.0 1018 48.0 (142) 142. Scott Glenn 1065.2 1055 10.2 (139) 143. GO BRUINS 1064.2 1058 6.2 (138) 144. Andy Y F WONG 1063.5 1042 21.5 (145) Book 'em Danno's Bushbabies 1063.5 1053 10.5 (148) 146. McKees Rocks Rockers 1062.1 1057 5.1 (147) 147. boutch 92-93 1062.0 1042 20.0 (144) 148. team gold 1060.7 1044 16.7 (141) 149. Goddess Of Fermentation 1056.2 1026 30.2 (151) 150. convex stars 1055.6 1050 5.6 (153) 151. Flying Kiwis 1055.1 1046 9.1 (140) 152. Einstein's Rock Band 1054.0 1054 0.0 (154) 153. Dr Joel Fleishman 1053.7 1050 3.7 (165) 154. Tim Rogers 1053.1 1045 8.1 (152) 155. MY TEAM 1053.0 998 174.8 (159) 156. Tap 1052.5 1052 0.5 (156) 157. Sundogs 1052.4 1052 0.4 (166) 158. Buttered Waffles 1052.0 1006 46.0 (157) 159. GO HABS GO 1051.0 1043 8.0 (150) 160. Princeton Canucks 1050.0 995 124.2 (155) 161. Hubert's Hockey Homeboys 1049.6 1049 0.6 (157) 162. Satan's Choice 1047.5 1033 14.5 (164) 163. Bob's Blues 1046.8 1000 46.8 (160) 164. Les Nordiques 1045.0 990 60.4 (162) 165. Pierre Mailhot 1044.6 1042 2.6 (167) 166. furleys furies 1041.6 1038 3.6 (161) 167. Slap Shot Marco 1039.8 988 51.8 (168) 168. HUNTERS & COLLECTORS 1038.4 996 42.4 (162) 169. The Dreamers 1038.0 983 63.7 (173) 170. San Jose Mahi Mahi 1036.8 1005 31.8 (169) 171. Jeff Nimeroff 1034.8 986 48.8 (171) 172. East City Jokers 1034.0 979 69.1 (174) 173. The Leafs Rule!!!! 1033.8 1008 25.8 (170) 174. Darse Billings 1033.7 999 34.7 (178) 175. Flowers 1033.0 978 113.6 (177) 176. Daryl Turner 1030.4 1028 2.4 (175) 177. LANA Inc 1030.3 1003 27.3 (180) 178. riding the pine 1028.7 1008 20.7 (176) 179. Spinal Tap 1027.4 986 41.4 (181) 180. Stimpy ADG Zeta 1027.0 1006 21.0 (172) 181. Chappel's Chumps 1024.0 1000 24.0 (179) 182. Big Bad Bruins 1023.5 1005 18.5 (184) 183. Enforcers 1022.1 994 28.1 (183) 184. Mike Mac Cormack Sydney NS CAN 1022.0 967 107.2 (186) JimParker 1022.0 967 179.0 (182) 186. Bulldogs 1020.4 997 23.4 (187) 187. Yellow Plague 1019.2 1005 14.2 (195) 188. Jeff Bachovchin 1018.7 972 46.7 (184) 189. Absolut Lehigh 1017.9 1009 8.9 (189) 190. voyageurs 1015.7 1013 2.7 (188) 191. Republican Dirty Tricksters 1010.0 955 66.0 (190) 192. Ninja Turtles 1009.3 1008 1.3 (196) 193. Dr.D And The S.O.D. 1009.1 992 17.1 (192) 194. Henry's Bar B Q 1008.7 1008 0.7 (191) 195. Bunch of Misfits 1007.8 984 23.8 (193) 196. Robyns Team 1007.0 977 30.0 (194) 197. Cobra's Killers 1006.7 975 31.7 (202) 198. Cherry Bombers 1005.2 1004 1.2 (203) 199. Kuta Papercuts 1003.5 985 18.5 (200) 200. Great Expectations 998.3 996 2.3 (201) Acadien 998.3 980 18.3 (198) 202. DARMAN'S Dragons 994.3 966 28.3 (199) 203. Team Melville 993.9 947 46.9 (197) 204. Killer Apes 990.3 966 24.3 (205) 205. Kaufbeuren Icebreakers 988.6 951 37.6 (206) 206. Jayson's Kinky Pucks 987.9 961 26.9 (204) 207. Roger Smith 987.6 948 39.6 (208) 208. Firebirds 980.9 977 3.9 (209) 209. IKEA Wholesale 980.7 979 1.7 (211) 210. Umpire 4 life 980.1 969 11.1 (207) 211. Those 1st few weeks hurt! 980.0 925 55.9 (210) 212. Outlaws 975.0 920 164.9 (212) 213. 400 Hurricane 973.1 941 32.1 (223) 214. Frack Attack 972.3 945 27.3 (219) 215. Believe it or dont 970.1 949 21.1 (215) 216. Todd's Turkeys 967.9 966 1.9 (219) 217. Thundering Herd 966.0 911 163.6 (214) 218. Knee Injuries 965.4 955 10.4 (217) 219. The 200 Club 962.8 956 6.8 (213) 220. fred mckim 962.0 907 93.0 (222) 221. Crazy Euros 961.9 944 17.9 (218) 222. Creeping Death 959.3 938 21.3 (216) 223. Ryan's Renegades 956.9 906 50.9 (221) 224. pig vomit 953.3 952 1.3 (224) 225. Ice Strykers 952.0 897 105.4 (225) dayton bomber 952.0 952 0.0 (228) 227. CDN Stuck in Alabama 951.3 941 10.3 (227) 228. Fighting Geordies 950.0 895 141.6 (226) 229. Cafall and Crew 947.3 909 38.3 (229) 230. Ship's Way 942.7 934 8.7 (235) 231. Zipper Heads 941.9 908 33.9 (232) 232. Chris of Death 941.0 886 83.6 (230) 233. Banko's Beer Rangers 940.2 936 4.2 (232) 234. Swillbellies 939.7 921 18.7 (231) 235. Oz 934.0 899 35.0 (237) 236. Laubsters II 931.0 876 201.6 (236) 237. Ninja Bunnies 928.9 884 44.9 (239) 238. Great Scott 928.0 873 73.3 (240) 239. Joliet Inmates 927.8 882 45.8 (238) 240. NY Flames 923.8 916 7.8 (234) 241. SANDY'S SABRES 917.7 913 4.7 (243) 242. Widefield White Wolves 910.9 874 36.9 (241) 243. Florida Tech Burgh Team 909.3 860 49.3 (246) 244. The Ice Holes 908.7 906 2.7 (242) 245. South Carolina Tiger Paws 903.0 848 78.4 (245) Daves Team 903.0 871 32.0 (244) 247. Mudville Kings 900.6 873 27.6 (250) 248. Redliners 898.9 883 15.9 (252) 249. roadrunners 898.5 880 18.5 (249) 250. For xtc 898.2 890 8.2 (248) 251. Leos Blue Chips 894.4 884 10.4 (247) 252. New Jersey Rob 891.7 891 0.7 (251) 253. Pat Phillips 891.1 881 10.1 (253) 254. Stewart Clamen 869.6 868 1.6 (254) 255. Demon Spawn 868.0 843 25.0 (255) 256. Sunnyvale Storm 815.2 815 0.2 (256) 257. Allez les Blues 803.0 748 476.9 (257) 258. Up For Sale Hockey Club 785.0 762 23.0 (258) 259. Petes Picks 783.0 728 168.5 (259) 260. RINACO 780.0 725 114.0 (260) 261. Brenz Revenge 705.0 701 4.0 (261) 262. Dinamo Riga 658.0 603 571.6 (262) -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253",rec.sport.hockey 3771,"((fluffy bi fantasy squelched)) Dear Mr. Elf,",None 3772," The only problem is, Dave Kingman was *always* taking off. Rosh Hashana, Yom Kippur, Easter, the day Elvis died (8/16), the entire spring training month of Ramadan, Purim, the 4th of July (both games that day), my birthday (OK, during the World Series, he never had to play there), Memorial day (both games that day), ... Guys, help me out here. I've run fresh out of holidays that coincide with the baseball season and I'm trying to catalogue all the days in his career that Dave Kingman (or at least his bat) went AWOL. A complete religious calendar detailing every holiday in every extant religion in the Western Hemisphere would be appreciated. Only then can we truly be certain that Dave Kingman observed every holiday ever conceived... :-), of course ...NOT! ",rec.sport.baseball 3773," I don't see how this logically follows. True enough, Mary received a blessing beyond any granted in all the history of humanity by being privileged to be the mother of the Savior. It says nothing about Mary needing to be a ""blessed person"" _first_ in order that she might thereby be worthy to bear the Son of God. Again, I think the problem is that as humans we can't comprehend how the sinless Incarnation could spring from sinful human flesh and God's Spirit. Rather than simply accept the gracious miracle of God, we must needs try to dope out a mechanism or rationale as to how this could be. Mary's own words, ""...my spirit rejoices in God _my Savior_, for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden,..."" sound like the words of a human aware of her own humanity, in need of a Savior, similar to what David proclaimed in his psalms...not the words of a holy being with no further need for God's grace. I really apologize for harping on this, I don't suppose it's important. It's just that I see Mary and Joseph and the Baby reduced to placid, serene figurines I feel we lose the wonder in the fact that God chose to come down to you and I, to be born of people like you and I, to share our existence and redeem us from it's fallenness by his holy Incarnation. ",soc.religion.christian 3774," franks> This is my first post, so no DoD#. Would you like to know what DOD is? If you do, feel free to ask. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------",rec.motorcycles 3775," That's funny, I thought you were making a statement about what people think. In fact, I see it quoted up there.",alt.atheism 3776," Howdy... I think you would be interested in Infini-D 2.5 for the Mac. There is no DOS or Windows version. It's quite an amazing program. ""Some"" of the features: * Bevel Text * Timeline based animation sequencer * Realtime bounding box preview * Object linking * Phong Shading * Ray Tracing * Bounding Box shading * Wireframe shading * Ghourad shading * Flat shading * Anti-aliasing (none, low, medium, high) * Environment maps * Quicktime support (wrap a QT movie around an object) * Procedural surfaces * Composed surfaces (for layering surfaces) * Alpha channel support * Import EPS, DXF, and Swivel 3D files * Export DXF and Swivel 3D files * Spline based animation * Animation assistant (for creating smooth movements and other stuff) * Object morphing (surfaces and bevels morph too) ... And lots more that I can't remember right now... Anyway, it's not as expensive as some of the other animation/rendering packages. I think you can get it for around $699 from MacWarehouse. They also have educational discounts... Well, hope that helps a bit. See ya...",comp.graphics 3777," Nonsense! I've taught fifth, sixth, seventh . There are a few early puberty types in fifth and it has nothing to do with early sexual experience. ",sci.med 3778,"If you can modify the design of the DTMF decoder, the ideal comunications would be over a multi-drop system, like RS-485. RS-485 boards are available for PC's, probably cheaper than a bunch of RS-232 channels, and RS-485 is cheaper to build onto your satellite modules, using only a single supply 8-pin DIP driver chip. Software at the PC end would be similarly complex for either RS-232 or RS-485, in my opinion. The higher data rates possible with RS-485 would permit quasi-simultaneous data transmission. Hope this helps.",sci.electronics 3779," A map of Italy showing the states/provinces(?) is in the FreeHand 3.1 for Windows clip art collection. Corel Draw 3.0 clip art has an outline map of Italy. ",comp.graphics 3780,"Look for Spice or PSpice ",None 3781," Because the Gun loonies were firing on vehicles with 50mm amunition that has a range of 3000 meters. Next question. The problem is of course the laws that allow a bunch of raving nutters to collect a huge stack of arms in the first place. The sequence of events meant that there really was no option but to attempt some sort of breakthrough via an intervention. If the FBI had had the stomach for it they could have mounted a commando type raid and attempted to save the children by shooting all the adults. It really was a no win situation. Koresh had plenty of opportunity to give up and stand trial for the murder of the 4 ATF officers. Instead he ordered the murder of the children. In order to reject the word of the FBI and BATF it is neccessary to beleive the words of a man who has just murdered 17 children and ordered the suicide/murder of his other 80 followers. According to the account given the BATF attempted to serve a warrant upon Koresh at the ranch and were met by gunfire in a deliberate attempt to murder them. The Koresh/gun supporter claim that the BATF started shooting simply does not stand up. If the AFT had gone there to start shooting they would have gone with heavier grade weaponry than standard issue handguns. For all practical purposes they were unarmed, the B-D followers had automatic weapons. The B-D seige could not be allowed to go on indefinitely. The B-D were quite capable of commiting mass suicide and murdering the children at any time. A commando assault was the only other likely action that could have achieved that objective, that would have been very risky, orders of magintude harder than Antebbe or the Iranian Embassy Seige. Airplanes and Embassies are not designed for defense against attack ranch apocalypse was. 6 terrorists are far easier to disloge without casualties than 80. Allowing the siege to go on was not an option either, besides the serious risk that Koresh would proclaim armageddon at any moment there was the question of the difficulties of keeping the emmergency team on standby over a prolonged period. The longer the siege went on the more mentally prepared Koresh and his followers would be for a prolonged siege. Rather than go in prematurely the mistake was probably to go in too soon. Can you think of a better way of getting the children out? A 100% certain way? The people who do not want gun control must obviously discount the entire government story. This is simply rationalisation. It is not enough for them to simply dismiss the government as incompetent. That would require them to come up with a solution themselves. Instead they have to come up with a government conspiracy theory whereby the government decided to set out to murder 80 people just to set up some sort of scare to alow them to get gun control legislation through. This conspiracy theory assumes that the BATF deliberately got 4 of its agents killed and that the FBI etc actually enjoy sitting out in the middle of Texas being shot at by religious nutters. Still the conspiracy theory is comforting, it allows them to pretend that WACO proves nothing except about how incompetent the government is in resolving a hostage crisis. No govt in the world has ever faced a comparable situation, quite probably there was no manner in which it could be peacefully resolved. The blame does not rest on the FBI, it rests on the fact that Koresh was allowed to get so far, in particular the person who tipped the B-D off in advance has the murder of 4 ATF agents and 17 children on his or her conscience. There are a large number of people in the US who predict the end of society preach salvation through armed security. The fact is that these are the very people who pose the threat to society in the first place. The next WACO may not be religious nutters but a political movement. A splinter group of the Klu Klux Klan taking over a schoolhouse in a black area for example and holding several hundred children hostage. The only possible solution to such situations that can work is to prevent them arising. No other government in the world has faced such a situation. this is because no other government has so carelessly allowed high power weaponry to become avaliable to any little Hitler or would be Messiah to set themselves up as dictator in their own little empire. ",talk.politics.misc 3782,"From my own notes on this subject.... Methods to automatically passwd Authorization from one machine to another. This also includes the problem of notifing the remote host of the current DISPLAY that is being used. 1/ Use rsh/rexec/on... (the method in the xauth manual) Set up the your .rhosts file in the home directory on the remote machine so that a password in not required to remotly execute commands. xauth extract - $DISPLAY | rsh other xauth merge - This method is also used by xrsh to pass authorization. My vampire program also uses a variation, however I wrap it as part of the remote command sequence (EG: xauth add $auth) Included in this method is the use of `xrlogin' and `xrsh' to do this job for you. These programs usally (the newer ones that is) allow you to pass a secified list of ENVIRONMENT variables which includes the `DISPLAY' and/or a copy of the authorization code required. The `xon' program available (if enabled) on sun machines will also pass environment variables, as well as the current directory. You will however be required to store the Authority in such a variable for passing. Unless you are also have shared home directories. WARNING: Environment variables and command line arguments are visible in `ps' listing with the appropiate flags. As such passing authorization information in environment variables or as arguments is not recomended. The recommended method as given in the manual (shown above) is safe from the view of other users. 2/ Wrap it as part of the TERM environment variable. This method uses the fact that most remote command executors do pass the TERM environment variable to the remote host. It is then a matter of an appropiate script in your remote .login file to extract the information from the TERM environment variable and set up things appropiatly. A version of the xrlogin script is available on the network which does this. Basically you change the TERM environment variable before the actual call to rlogin is performed, to include your DISPLAY and your authorization. On the remote machine you then extract this information and return the TERM environment variable to normal BEFORE you use it for reseting or stty'ing your terminal. ---8<--- script for launching rlogin: #!/bin/sh # ~/bin/rl --- Rlogin with display: if [ -n ""$DISPLAY"" ]; then case ""$DISPLAY"" in :*) DISPLAY=`hostname`$DISPLAY ;; esac TERM=""$TERM&$DISPLAY&`xauth nextract - $DISPLAY`"" export TERM fi rlogin $* ---8<--- add to your .cshrc or .login if ( $?TERM ) then if ( `echo $TERM | tr -cd '&'` != '' ) then echo ""$TERM"" | cut '-d&' -f3 | xauth nmerge - setenv DISPLAY `echo ""$TERM"" | cut '-d&' -f2` setenv TERM `echo ""$TERM"" | cut '-d&' -f1` endif endif ---8<--- xterm command to use xterm -T hostname -e ~/bin/rl hostname ---8<--- 3/ NFS. Write it to a file on a shared NFS partition you have access to. Note that if the home directories are NFS mounted, then authorization is automatically passed, Hoever you will still have to pass your DISPLAY environment variable via a file or other means. IE: login host: echo $DISPLAY > ~/.X11host remote host: setenv DISPLAY `cat ~/.X11host` 4/ Finger for the info in a .plan file This involves encrypting the information into your `.plan' or `.project' and having the remote machine finger for the information. This has the disadvantage of having the information to anyone fingering the user. Thus requiring a encryption method that is uniq to each individual. IE: the method of decyrption must not be shared or known by others, nor should it be easy to determine. A improvment is to use the `who fingered me' technique to only give the information only to your own remote accounts and not just to anyone who is asking. This last method was developed last year by a second year here, untill I explained to him the need for the encryption, at which point he gave up this method. It is however a valid method. It is easer than (2) but less secure. Anthony Thyssen - (SysProg @ Griffith University) anthony@cit.gu.edu.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Magic is Real -- unless declared an integer"" --- John P.Melvin",comp.windows.x 3783,"[reply to frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)] If the Good is undefined (undefinable?) but you require of everyone that they know innately what is right, you are back to subjectivism. Ditto here. An evaluative statement implies a value judgement on the part of the person making it. Pretty perceptive, that Prof. Flew. Please explain how this helps. I don't see your argument. This makes no sense either. Flew is arguing that this is where the objectivist winds up, not the subjectivist. Furthermore, the nihilists believed in nothing *except* science, materialism, revolution, and the People. And also not the position of the subjectivist, as has been pointed out to you already by others. Ditch the strawman, already, and see my reply to Mike Cobb's root message in the thread Societal Basis for Morality.",alt.atheism 3784,"I have two quations to ask: 1) Does it cause the body any harm if one picks one's nose? For example, might it lead to a loss of ability to smell? 2) Is it harmful for one to eat one's nose pickings?",sci.med 3785,"RE: Irish/Gaelic TrueType Font wanted - synopsis Many thanks to those who responded to my question. Unfortunately I have had no luck in actually getting such a font, and a lot of people interested in geting one, and so I have decided to create my own truetype font fitting that description. This font is based on that used in the 1904 issue of Dineen's dictionary and is typical of that found in Irish books from the early part of the century. This may take me some time to do (in my limited spare time) but I'll make it available to anyone who is interested, when it is ready. The responses I received are summerised below: Kevin Donnelly (caoimhin@smo.ac.uk) mentioned that Michael Everson (everson@irlearn.ucd.ie) had developed some Clo/ Gaelach fonts for the Macintosh and may be able to advise me. I contacted Michael and he told me that he has three fonts available for the Macintosh, and that he will eventually port them to the PC, but that he will be charging IR 100 (about $160) for each one. pbryant@ukelele.GCR.COM mentioned that he uses two font that have a 'nice Irish/Gaelic look to them'. These are ""Durrow"" and ""American Uncial-Normal"". I don't know where you can get these but I don't think that they have the effects I am looking for. Finally, rhiannon@netcom.com (Rhia) mentioned that the ""Meath"" font included in the Casady & Greene Fluent Laser Fonts 2 package is very much like what I was describing. I faxed Casady & Greene for info but got no reply. So that's it. I'll post these newsgroups when I make my font available.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3786,"that his positive. Clint Malarchuk What has happened to him since? Assigned to San Diego Gulls at the being of the season I believe What It was Uwe Krupp and a Blues player, though Uwe's skate I beleive cut Clint. He has since be traded to the Isles in the LaFontaine deal. Has this ever This is the only time I know of. ",rec.sport.hockey 3787,"HI, all I study about WM_DELETE_WINDOW atom in Open Look. I study the book --> ""Unix Desktop guide to OPEN LOOK"", I run the example of chapter 8, but It is not the result described as book's figure 8.1. Dose anyone read the book? Or run the example (winprop.c)? What is the problem? I am curious about WM_DELETE_WINDOW programming... Anyone help me? Thanks in advance for any help!!! IOP ",comp.windows.x 3788," (Deletion) (rest deleted) That's a fallacy, and it is not the first time it is pointed out. For one, you have never given a set of morals people agree upon. Unlike a football. Further, you conveniently ignore here that there are many who would not agree on tghe morality of something. The analogy does not hold. One can expect sufficiently many people to agree on its being a football, while YOU have to give the evidence that only vanishing number disagrees with a set of morals YOU have to give. Further, the above is evidence, not proof. Proof would evolve out of testing your theory of absolute morals against competing theories. ",alt.atheism 3789," I'll third the recommendation as Miracle Spooge. Don't go to the dealer to get it or what happened to me might happen to you: you put a deposit on a new bike. Sigh,",rec.motorcycles 3790," Watch the videotape carefully, the CNN coverage was fairly decisive. The first fire starts in the Tower, this is three storeys high and there is a flag to the right of it on the picture. The second fire starts in another tower which is similar to the first only two storeys high. The flag is on the left in the camera picture that shows this fire starting. Thus the camera pictures cleraly show the fire starting at two separate locations. The FBI report a third. I was not able to verify it from the videotape however someone else identified a fire shown to be starting behind the small tower in the second (flag on left) camera angle. The flames coming out of the building are yellow/orange. This is the normal colour for carbon compounds burning. The flames were those of a solid or confined liquid burning, not of a gas exploding. The explosion that occurs mid way along the building is certainly not an explosive though. The cloud itself is on fire. This would seem to be most likely to be some sort of fuel oil store exploding rather than the explosion of a magazine. Depends entirely on how they were distributed. You would not be able to identify ammunition rounds going off from video camera coverage from a mile away. If and when the FBI release pictures from cmeras on the armoured vehicles (which presumably exist) it might be possible to get a clearer picture. If anyone expects to see explosions hollywood style aka Rambo movies then remember that in real life cars do not burst into flames when going over cliffs. Just about the most you could expect would be to see the grenades going off. Since the building was designed to be blast proof to some extent it would be difficult to distinguish the grenades going off from the collapse of the building due to the fire. Paranoia. You wouldn't beleive the FBI if they showed you a picture of Koresh himself setting light to the place. Your mindset is such that you are simply unable to accept as true anything that might suggest that a group of heavily armed weapons fanatics might indeed be in the wrong. The gun lobby can't accept that the B-D set light to the place because that would mean that Koreh had murdered 17 children, that would mean that their taking his account of the murder of 4 BATF agents would be even less credible than it was to start with. Koresh had 51 days to come out with his hands up and face a fair trial. Instead he ordered the murder of everyone in the place. ",talk.politics.misc 3791,"Cool off! These people have as much right to be here as you do. (BTW, is this the kind of friendly, helpful service we should expect from Cray?) ",rec.autos 3792,"16. What is the condition of the propane tank mentioned by the BD survivors? I.e. is it crushed and does it have tread marks on it? -- Dave Feustel N9MYI ",None 3793,"Hiyas ALL, Upon getting Animated Desktop for Windows as a gift from my boyfriend, I couldn't wait to install it. I had gotten an advertisement for it and put it aside with my list of 'I Wants.' After installing the software, it didn't load. No part of the software would load even though the install went seemingly well. I called Deltapoint with the problem and after asking me twenty million different questions about my system.. concluded that I had one of the systems that the software was 'incompatible with'. Of course they're willing to give me my $$$ back.. What a waste of time and energy. The folks on their support line, although nice, are extremely ignorant regarding the workings of Windows 3.1. After my experience with the installation of the SB 16, I learned some of the function of windows dll files. Before sending back Desktop Animator, decided to do some fooling around with the different versions of .dll files I had. I had 2 versions of cpalette.dll one dated 8/92 and > 100K the other dated 1/93 and smaller (the 1/93 smaller version was the one supplied with Desktop Animator). I moved the bigger, older version of cpalette.dll to a directory outside my path. (For some reason, I had the older Cpalette.dll in my Windows directory and the newer cpallette in my windows\system directory.) When I did this, the animator's editor loaded.. and so did 2 other of the applications in the package.. the main application still didn't load. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this would occur or any further suggestions ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3794,"A friend of mine who owns a pc said that he recently got a program that can format a disk that can exceed the normal capacity of a HD disk. Apparently it rewrites the driver or takes or the driver or _something_ that allows it get more space out of a normal HD floppy disk. It supposedly gets upto 1.6 Megs (so something like 1640K?). I don't have the program - since I can't use it and its supposed to be called something like ""FORM16"" or something like that. My question is whether its possible to do this on the Mac and if its not possible is it due to hardware limitations. A developer friend of mine said that it might be possible but he doesn't deal with this aspect of the field much. Thanks for any information contributed. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3795," Not anymore! Recent archaeological inspection of the site presents pretty compelling evidence that the ""mass suicide"" at Masada never occured. This evidence was so compelling tha the Tzahal no long hold their secret ceremony at the fortress. ",talk.politics.guns 3796,"Hi. I'd like to substitute the exciting win3.1 opening logo for our own company logo at boot up time. Is this a matter of replacing the logo file with our own logo? And what format should the company logo be in? Thanks.",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3797,"I have a lots of .cgm files produced by NCAR Graph Utility V3.00. They are all color graphs, and I want to print them out. The printers I own are Postscript, and HP 7475a. Anyone who have experiences in this please tell me, e-mail me will be very nice. Or if someone knows how to convert those .cgm files into .gif pcx, .bmp .... , it will helps a lot. ",comp.graphics 3798," The IRS doesn't need to rely on the Federal Marshall's Services; the IRS has its own Swat teams. I saw a picture of one in an article on the IRS in some magazine or other. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI ",talk.politics.guns 3799," Mathew: Could you let us know when this happened, so I can see if my version is as up-to-date as possible? I try to re-save the FAQs once in a while, but otherwise I ignore their regular postings, so I wouldn't generally notice such a change. And I like to stay current. Thanks,",alt.atheism 3800,"Just to add to this vein, consider that range of a first baseman is not the only important thing. He is IMO the best fielder of bad throws from the other infielders. I have seen him scoop balls out of the dirt, catch balls off a large bounce, take down balls over his head, wide, etc. ad infinitum. *And* he gets the out, much of the time. Some of the things he does to save his infielders of errors are amazing. You have to give Mattingly credit for being able to do all of that while keeping his foot near the bag (yes, I am sure he gets a few calls because he is Mattingly :-) ",rec.sport.baseball 3801,"I'm using Norton Cache 5.0, which is really nice but horrible incompatible. Some games won't work it, my streamer software won't work with it and Windows doesn't like it at all. But when copying or deleting lots of small files, only NCACHE is really fast. You see, to write a file the FAT must be changed. But to write 1000 files the FAT must be changed only once. Is there any cache program out there which is smart enough to do the same and good enough to run with all my applications? Any help is really appreciated. ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3802,"david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) write: we are talking about a SCSI-1 device (e.g. HD) on a SCSI-2 Controller. Here is a rewrite of my Mac & Info sheet SCSI section: SCSI: only external device expansion interface common to both Mac and IBM. Allows the use of any device: hard drive, printer, scanner, Nubus card expansion {Mac Plus only}, some monitors, and CD-ROM. Normal {asynchronous} SCSI is 5 Mhz; fast {synchronous} SCSI is 10 Mhz. Difference between these modes is mainly in the software drivers. Main problem: there are a lot of external devices which are internal terminated which causes problems for more then two devises off the SCSI port {A SCSI chain is supposed to be terminated ONLY at the begining and end. Any other set up causes problems for either Mac or IBM}. SCSI-1: 8-bit; 7 devices per SCSI controller. asynchronous {~1.5MB/s ave} and synchronous {5MB/s max} transfers. 8-bit SCSI-2 is often mistaken for a fast version of SCSI-1 {see SCSI-2 for details}. SCSI-2: fully SCSI-1 compliant. SCSI-2 mode - 10 devices per SCSI controller. 8-bit SCSI-2 is implimented as a very fast SCSI-1 since it can run using SCSI-1 hardware and software drivers which limits it to 7 devices, which results in it sometimes being mistakenly consitered part of SCSI-1. 16-bit and 32-bit SCSI-2 require different ports, electronics, and SCSI software drivers from SCSI-1 {Which makes them more expensive than other SCSI interfaces}. 32-bit SCSI seems to run only in synchronous mode, hence term 'wide and fast SCSI' Transfer speeds are 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit}, 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst {16-bit}, and 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst {32-bit}. 8-bit SCSI-2 is the BIGGEST headache due to the fact that it is the ONLY SCSI-2 that I know of that can pump SCSI-2 speeds through SCSI-1 devices and software controlers. Its MAIN implimentation is on the Mac though you do see adds for SCSI-2 at 10MB/s maximum throughput for PCs. Since 8-bit SCSI-2 does NOT NEED all the hardware {including electonics} and software of 16-bit and 32-bit SCSI-2 it is the CHEEPEST of the SCSI-2 interfaces. Just pop out the SCSI-1 electornics and pop in 8-bit SCSI-2 electronics. Some people consider 16-bit where SCSI-2 REALLY starts {I USED to be one of them} but 4-6MB/s average though put with a theoretical burst of 10MB/s is NOT SCSI-1 but is 8-bit SCSI-2. Rule of thumb: if it is SCSIn and OVER 5MB/s then it is SOME type of SCSI-2.",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3803,"If there is a ""USA Today ftp site"" could someone please post it to the newsgroup so everyone will stop posting the ""send it to me too"" articles. I'm sure many people woulds like to know so why not just post it to the net rather than mailing hundreds of people. Just a thought. Thanks, Ryan Robin.",rec.sport.baseball 3804," I'm very grateful for scott's reflections on this oft-quoted phrase. Could someone please remind me of the Scriptural source for it? (Rom. 12.9 doesn't count, kids.) The manner in which this little piece of conventional wisdom is applied has, in my experience, been uniformly hateful and destructive.",soc.religion.christian 3805,"Derek.... There is a tool available to reset the service indicator on BMWs but the lights will come back on after 2-3 weeks. The tool is in fact illegal (in Europe atleast). It is often the case that the unsuspecting punter trots off to buy a used BMW and a few weeks later, all the lights come on! Other than that, I know of no other tool.... anyone else? About changing oil every 15,000 miles.... thats ok.... on newer Audis, they only require it after every 12,000 miles (I am talking about an oil change) Just a query: do you drive your car VERY VERY carefully? Like no sudden acceleration etc? If yeah, then the 15,000 M oil change seems quite reasonable. But if you drive kinda fast... I'd get a bit up tight abot that 15,000 thingy (a point to note: just because the first light came on at 3k, doesn't mean all the others will come on every 3k too)",rec.autos 3806,"[ideas that are claimed not to work deleted...] How about putting your system inside a faraday cage? Even I could build one... /Jim ",sci.crypt 3807," Well, that was an easy decision. No more Bianchi anything for me. ",None 3808,"A person sees the front of their home is strewn with garbage. That person removes the trash, and sweeps the sidewalk. His next door neigh- bors have not. The person then approaches his two neighbors and talks to them about cleaning the front of their homes, and why it would be good for their own living conditions, and that of the neighborhood. There's nothing wrong with holding your neighbors accountable for their actions. That is the basis for a viable, safe community. Regards,",talk.politics.misc 3809,"Being wierd again, so be warned: Is there a plan to put a satellite around each planet in the solar system to keep watch? I help it better to ask questions before I spout an opinion. How about a mission (unmanned) to Pluto to stay in orbit and record things around and near and on Pluto.. I know it is a strange idea, but why not?? It could do some scanning of not only Pluto, but also of the solar system, objects near and aaroundpluto, as well as SETI and looking at the galaxy without having much of the solar system to worry about..",sci.space 3810," > Lines: 13 > NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu > > > > >Our little Goebbels, to those who forgot, is talking about an alleged > >""infection"" of ""fine Egyptian men"", by a ""Mossad agent caught spying > >with her father in Egypt"". As noted before, the women is a Muslim > >Israeli, she was not a spy, and she didn't infect anybody. > > The Jewish version of the story!! > > ""A Muslim Israeli."" I thought it is a Jewish State. > Hasn't it yet been defined up to this point? > This is a post from a hospital? The inmates from foam the cushion ward have net access!",talk.politics.mideast 3811,"To all the readers of talk.politics.mideast,alt.flame,alt.stupidity I am posting this message on behalf of a staff member at UCDavis whose account had been broken into and used to post offensive messages to all these groups. --Dave ----begin included message from szljubi@othello.ucdavis.edu Please be advised that the person(s) sending to you the inflammatory remarks you have been receiving have been doing so by ILLEGALLY accessing my account. Our campus Information Technology security group has cut off my account's access to this hacker, and every effort is being made to track down this person. I apologize profusely that you have been subjected to the derogatory comments made by this person and I detest that my name was attached to them. Thank you to those of you who alerted our campus security about the nature of this problem. Sincerely, P. Ljubi ",talk.politics.mideast 3812," I define faith as ""belief, in the abscense(sp?) of evidence"". I also include in ""evidence"" past experiences. Because I have no past experience in a god actually having an effect on my life and because I have never seen evidence for any god beyond what can be explained without the neccessity of a god or which is more convincing than the many fictional works I have read (And other reasons), I do not believe in any god(s). From what I have seen, some people reconcile this lack of evidence by using faith. It is faith in that sense (the only way I _currently_ understand the word ""faith"") that I find intellectually dishonest. Pascal's wager goes something like this: Premise #1: Either there is or there isn't a God. Premise #2: If God exists, He wants us to believe and will damn us for not believing. Premise #3: If God does not exist, then belief in God doesn't matter because death is death, anyway. Conclusion: Belief in God is superior to non-belief because non-belief damns us to eternal punishment if we are wrong, while belief in God only wastes a little time in life if we are wrong. Sound pretty straightforward and is logically sound. The problem is, Premise #1 presupposes 1:1 odds between belief and non-belief. This is flat out wrong, because of the sheer number of religions out there and the fact that, for the most part, the religions are mutually exclusive. I have heard theists referred to as ""99% atheists"" because they believe in their god (or gods) to be the _one_ god (or set of gods). The consequence of this is ""what if I pick the wrong god?"" Suddenly, the odds don't look so good because picking the wrong god or wrong doctrines of a god still leaves you with the possibility of being wrong and being damned to another god's version of hell. I don't see how ""disillusionment"" enters into it. You see, I presented my mother's treatment of me to show the cause of my questioning my atheism, a questioning which continues to this day. I had already been an atheist for five years before having any contact with my mother's version of Christianity. If anything, I had become somewhat disillusioned with atheism (uh, oh, I thought, What if there *is* a God?). Yes, in a way, I have also become disillusioned by many religions, simply because I had thought at one time that they had all the answers, if I only found the right one. I'm still looking, but each time I look in a different place, I become a little stronger in my attitude (belief, if you will, no faith, though, it's based on the evidence of past experience) that I'll never find a religion which has all the answers. Sorta like looking for Easter eggs. The more time it takes you to find the next one, the more convinced you become that you may already have found all the eggs you're going to find. Someone else mentioned that critisism isn't going to make me think any more highly of Christians. I have a contrary position: Constructive critisism will likely improve my attitude towards Christians. Abusive critisism will turn me off. No accusations to you, Mr. Sapienza. I merely slipped that into this post because I forgot to reply to that one. Muppets and Garlic Toast forever. Max (Bob) Muir",soc.religion.christian 3813,"Does anyone know of any c or c++ libraries for preparing and displaying quickly pages of mixed text, mathematical equations, and graphics (circles,ellipses,etc) on the vdu? The maths wouldnt need to be up to TeX quality, but it would be useful to be scaleable. The main thing would be to be able to generate the display quickly from a minimum set of formatting code. Thanks, Ed Campbell ",comp.graphics 3814," Be careful that you do not have any weight of the helmet resting on the mirror. It will depress the foam liner in the helmet. That is not the kind of foam that bounces back, like foam rubber. Its purpose in life is to absorb energy in an impact as it is compressed by your noggin. If your mirror compresses it, there is that much less energy absorbing capacity left to cushon your noggin in a crash. I found the right handlebar to be a good spot, if on the sidestand. Hang with the chinbar facing up, balanced across the grip and brake lever such that the weight of the helmet doesn't compress any of the chinbar foam. This is more challanging with an open face helmet. ",rec.motorcycles 3815,"Hello. My colleague has a Samtron monitor. On the manual cover, it says SC-431 and SC-428 for model numbers. The manual does not specify if it is interlaced or non-interlaced, so does anyone know what it is? thanks ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3816," Japan is _much_ more open than Korea. Yes. A Pontiac Grand Am suffers a factor of _2_ increase in price when it is exported to Japan. However, a Dodge vehicle (the one that Congressman Gephardt mentioned) suffers a factor of _4_ increase in price when it is exported to Korea. A Ford Taurus suffers the same problem. A Honda Accord costs--I am not making this up--$48,000 in Korea. Just how many people would want to buy a Honda Accord for $48,000? Solution: All ships carrying Korean-made vehicles should be returned to Seoul. Pronto. Until as such time as Korea decides that it wants to abide by the rules of free and fair trade with the USA and Japan.",rec.autos 3817,"Given that what i described for the HST seemed to be the SMT, and given the mass amrgins on the discovery mission is tight enough that spacewalking has to be carefully constrained..... No EDO pallets, no spare Suits, no extra MMU's. WHy not do this? Quick Test Goldins philosophjy of faster cheaper, better. Build a real fast Space TUg, to handle the re-boost of the HST using clean Cryo fuels, and get it ready before the HST mission. If NASA could build Mercury in 13 months, they should be able to make an SMT in 9. How much would it need? Guidance package. Use a Voyager spare. Thruster gear, Use H2O2, or LOX/LH. Bus Use a Commsat. Grapple fixture. Use a stripped down Canadarm. Comms package. SPare X-band omni gear.",sci.space 3818,"********* Sega Genesis + Sega CD Forsale ******* Recently moved in with some friends who have genesis + Cd player so I'm selling my whole setup. I'd like to sell everything together. The package come with.... Sega Genesis Sega CD 2 Joysticks 1 Pad Sewer Shark (CD) Sol-Feace (CD) Sega Classics (CD) (5 Games on 1 CD) Streets of Rage Revenge of Shinobi Columns Golden Axe Sherlock Holmes (CD) CD+G Music + graphics sampler John Madden 92' (Cart) ******************************************************************************** I'm selling all of the above for $325 plus I'll split shipping. I don't want to sell things seperately. Please reply to jth@bach.udel.edu ********************************************************************************",misc.forsale 3819,"At work we have a small appletalk network with 3 macs and couple of printers. We also have a PC that has some specialized accounting software that we would like to operate from any of the macs. We have Soft PC, and I have found that the software works just fine under it, but I would like to have all of the data for the program reside at one place (the PC hard disk). So my question for you is(actually questions) 1) is there a board for the PC that will allow you to hook into an appletalk network? 2) if #1 is possible, is there any software/hardware combination that will allow me to mount the PC hard disk as a networked disk on the macs so I can use Soft PC to run the application? 3) if #1 or #2 is impossible, is there any other way to accomplish what I am after? ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3820," No, Brian's hurt. His hand I think. He started Saturday's game but was taken out. It's far too early to populate the dog house, although Bedrock was seen with a milkbone. ",rec.sport.baseball 3821,"I am urgently looking for the following article, can I cannot find it anywhere in our local libraries: John Allen Smith ""The Multi-Threaded X Server"" The X Resource Issue 1, pp. 73-89, Winter 1992 If anyone can tell me where I can find it, I WILL much appreciate it!! H.F. Sadie Departement of Computer Science University of Stellenbosch South Africa",comp.windows.x 3822," ",None 3823,,None 3824,"Cancel private health insurance? When government care that only covers 20% of the population consumes 42% of the spending for health care? NOT! National Health Expenditures: 1960 to 1990 (Includes Puerto Rico and outlying areas.) Year Health Services and Supplies ($billions) Private Public ==================================== 1960 $19.8 $5.7 (22% of total) 1970 $44.1 $24.9 (56% of total) 1980 $140.7 $98.1 (41% of total) 1990 $374.8 $268.6 (42% of total) [Source: American Almanac, Page 97. 1992-3 Edition] Now you understand where most of that 12.2% of GNP is going--to waste. By these figures, private insurance is spending 58% of the money to cover 4 times as many people. Go figure.",talk.politics.misc 3825," Any state that the CIA does not control is called ""state that is linked to terrorism/militants/fundamentalists etc.."" Meanwhile Even Egyptian ""experts"" who hate The Islamic movement admit that what is happening in Egypt is spontaneous and most of the time a reaction to what the government does. ... Can anybody see any contradiction between the above and the first paragraph? Does anybody know what the UPI original article's title was?",talk.politics.mideast 3826," No Cramer it does not. In this instance you are telling porkies to *yourself* as well as everyone else. Haven't you ever been to a cafe or restaurant and been absalutely stuffed full of goodies and yet when one more item, just a little different, with a new texture and a new taste, was presented you *somehow* found the space for it. Maybe you haven't, so what? It is a widely reported phenomina and I reckon the same applies to sex. ",talk.politics.misc 3827," ",None 3828," All children are born pure, i.e., without sin. However, most saints would view a pregnancy outside of marriage as an occasion of mourning. (Some church members would be much more judgmental, but that is *their* problem.) In situations where welfare assistance is provided through our Church, bishops usually require that the family be making some effort to live the Gospel standards and provide for themselves. However, there are occasions when assistance is provided because of the children in the home. As a former bishop of mine said, ""Children are always worthy before God."" I am not sure what you mean by the term ""bastards"" in this context. Latter-Day Saints believe that through the temple ordinances the family unit may be preserved in eternity. If you use genealogical material or software produced by the Church, you may notice a section for ""temple ordinances."" Within that section there should be a spot for signifying ""BIC"" which stands for ""born in the covenant."" The children born to couple sealed (married) within the temple are ""born in the covenant"" and are eligible to be part of that eternal family unit. Children born to other couples (whether in a civil marriage or not) would have to be sealed to their parents after their marriage is solemnized for eternity. Supposing a child were born to a woman out of wedlock, he or she could be sealed to his or her parents at a later date or adopted into any eternal family unit (which may include one of the birth parents). I can't say if this principle of adoption was revealed at the same time as the sealing ordinances, but it has been accepted for the ~15 years I have been in the Church. I would tend to discount any admonitions from the Church authorities against having children out of wedlock because even though there are provisions within the Lord's plan to recover what we have done wrong the Church does not want to give anyone the impression we can sin and repent at our leisure.",soc.religion.christian 3829," Yeah... I think that the Flames and the Flyers traded Captains once... Mel Bridgeman for Brad Marsh.",rec.sport.hockey 3830," [anti-Israel rantings deleted] As my father says in Russian, ""pol yevreya, poltara anitsemita"" or roughly translated ""half a Jew is an anti-semite and a half."" Now, Mr. Davidsson, I know what he means.",talk.politics.mideast 3831,"Folks, It's time to start building some precise questions to send to our federal elected officials and to investigative reporters in our local TV, radio and newprint media. Ideally, these questions could be asked at any investigation into the BATF's and FBI's participation at the WACO fiasco in hopes of being resolved and, hopefully, wake up the local news media that they are not getting the entire truth from the BATF and FBI. My list is up to 13 that are really nagging at my gut. The list will probably grow. 1. What were the contents of the original warrant, now sealed, that the BATF obtained? 2. It is reasonable to believe that illegal firearms and/or ammunition could not be flushed down the toilet. Therefore, a ""no-knock"" raid could be ruled out. Prior to the initial assault on the complex, did a single BATF agent and accompanying witness (without a contingent of assault and news media personnel) attempt to knock on the door of the Branch Davidian's complex and serve the warrant in a manner prescribed by law? 3. On the day of the initial assault on the complex, BATF agents were aware that several small children were inside the buildings. In the ensueing gun battle, BATF agents fired into a building known to contain children, killing at least one two-year old child. Knowing children were present, why didn't the BATF have an alternate plan and immediately retreat from the area close to the complex and implement the alternate plan rather than opening fire and jeopardizing the lives of the children in the building? 4. The FBI spokesman states that paper evidence indicates that David Koresh and members of the Branch Davidians possessed over $200,000 in firearms and ammunition. Did David Koresh and the members of the Branch Davidians have a valid Federal Firearms License, were they actively participating in the legal business of selling/buying firearms and ammunition, and were any of the weapons they had illegally possessed? Does this paper evidence consist only of weapons purchased or does it include legally dispossessed weapons. 5. After the original assault on the compound tragically failed, a BATF spokeswoman stated ""We were outgunned!"". Yet, TV newscasts of video tape filmed at the time of the incident show BATF agents armed with MP-5 and AR-15/M16 rifles. Although unclear on the video tape because of obstruction from full view by agent's bodies, they also may have had AK-47 and SKS rifles. What type(s) of firearms did the BATF agents have immediate access to at the scene of the original assault on the complex? 6. Since there is no evidence to confirm anyone was inside the complex involuntarily, why did the FBI treat it as a ""hostage"" situation? 7. Along the same lines, why did the FBI use ""psychological warfare"" techniques, including sensory overload, sleep deprivation, and other disruptive techniques that would test the sanity of any normal person rather than using techniques aimed at placing the complex occupants into a calmer frame of mind? 8. Reports indicate several of the children inside the complex were accompanied by their mothers. Since it is reasonable to expect these mothers would have their children taken away from them if they came out, why did the FBI expect the mothers to just walk out and surrender themselves to the authorities? 9. Agents at the scene claim to have seen members of the Branch Davidians setting fire to the complex. Branch Davidian members who survived the inferno claim the fire was started when an armored vehicle punched through the wall and knocked over a lantern which was setting on a table. Video tape of the incident does show an armored vehicle punching a hole in the wall and the fire erupted almost immediately from the same general location. Was the source of the fire the same room where the armored vehicle penetrated? 10. FBI spokesmen are voicing the opinion that the David Koresh and the members of the Branch Davidians committed mass suicide. Yet, bodies are being discovered throughout the house and other areas within the building complex. This seems to be counter to any known mass suicides through history. What evidence does the FBI have that a mass suicide pact existed? 11. FBI Director Sessions stated that the massive fireball shown on the video tape was caused by the Branch Davidian's ammunition and/or powder cache exploding. Yet, the fireball seems to be more characteristic of the type created when compressed gas or other highly volatile fuel source explodes. Was any evidence found which would indicate the Branch Davidians had an ammunition and/or powder cache which exploded to create this fireball? If so, and if David Koresh and members of the Branch Davidians were engaged in the legal business of selling/buying firearms, was the amount determined to be excessively greater than one would expect for someone engaged in such a legal business? 12. It is rumored that one FBI agent was extremely upset about critical news media coverage and intentionally used an armored vehicle to crush a reporter's car which had been left at the compound. Is there any factual basis to this rumor and, if so, what charges will be brought against the FBI agent who performed the act? 13. FBI Director Sessions states that, during the final assault on the complex, ""over 80 shots were fired at the vehicles."" On the video tape of the incident, you can hear the drone of the armored vehicles engines. Yet, there is no sound of the sharp reports that one would expect to hear if shots were fired. Also, there are no indications of smoke and/or muzzle flashes appearing from the windows, buildings or other structures in the video. Surely, these should be evident if the Branch Davidians had fired on the armored vehicles. Finally, the video tape does not show any indication of paint splatter, sparks or other characteristic spray of material which should be apparent if the Branch Davidians had fired upon the vehicles. Do any of the armored vehicles which were brought in to pump tear gas into the compound show evidence of fresh damage due to being hit by shots from high-power rifles? 14. CS gas is considered to be a chemical warfare agent. The United States has signed international treaties which prevent the use of CS gas in warfare. If the United States could not morally use CS gas against Saddam Hussein and his troops, why is it morally acceptable to use the same agent against citizens of our own land? 15. On April 21, FBI spokesmen state that at least 3 bodies discovered in the complex had bullet wounds to the head indicating they had been murdered or had committed suicide. On April 22, the county coroner claims he knows nothing about any bodies found with bullet wounds to the head. Were any of the victims bodies found within the burned out complex have bullet wounds to the head?",talk.politics.guns 3832," It was filmed the day of the first assault. The BDs clearly allowed the BATF agents who were shot and wounded to leave the compound. The lesson, I suppose is that you should keep shooting untill ALL the pigs are dead and then get the fuck outa dodge. Never give a pig an even break. ",talk.politics.guns 3833,"Catch tonight's (Thursday's) CBS Street Stories. Covers, among others, the work of AWARE (Arming Women Against Rape and Endangerment), a women's empowerment and training group in Massachusetts. They'll be interviewing spokesperson Nancy Bittle, as well as some of her students. (Assuming all of the ""interesting"" stuff they taped makes the final cut.) [If they show the ugly housebreaker in the toque and sunglasses, wave hi.] -- ",talk.politics.guns 3834," On TV news this morning it was reported that the local Texas authorities who have reviewed the cases of the 21 children who were released earlier in the siege have found no evidence of physical or sexual abuse of any of the children. I don't recall if this was on Good Morning America or our local Texas TV station.",talk.politics.guns 3835,"RADAR (Radio Association Defending Airwave Rights) says that Geico insurance not only buy's Radar for police but also actively lobbies states to promote making Radar Detectors illegal. I think the buying part is a misuse of money but the Radar Detector part shows how little they know about the issue. No study I am aware of has ever concluded that detectors have a negative impact on safety or that users have a higher average speed. Incompetence by Geico? I think so. Troy Wecker troy@sequent.com Sequent Computer Systems Beaverton, OR ",rec.autos 3836," I don't ""notice"" refs and linesmen until the playoffs come around, and yes I have to agree that Stewart called the *two* worst games I've seen so far (Mtl-Quebec game 1, and last nights Toronto-Detroit game). What's the scoop on this guy? Is he the latest incarnation of KERRY FRASER??? Just because you are boneheadedly stubborn doesn't make you a good ref!!! Making the right call does... My votes for: Best Ref: Van Hellemond Most Improved: Koharski Worst: Paul Stewart (Oops, I don't really want to start a best/worst ref thread so don't follow up ;-)",rec.sport.hockey 3837," So, the Greek educational system is also in a shambles. History shows that within the last 170 years, Greeks played that game twice: They used Istanbul Patriarch Grigorios in 1822 to instigate the Morea rebellion that resulted in the massacres of the Muslim people. Again, the Orthodox Patriarch Constantine V invited the Russian Czar Nicholas II to invade the Ottoman Empire 'in the name of Jesus,' and save his flock from Ottoman rule. Source: ""The 'Past' in Medieval and Modern Greek Culture,"" in Speros Vryonis, ed., 'Byzantina kai Metabyzantina,' Vol I (Malibu, Calif., 1978). p. 161. In the words of Professor Skiotis, ""With savage jubilance, [the Greeks] sang the words 'Let no Turk remain in the Morea, nor in the whole world.' The Greeks were determined to achieve to 'Romaiko' in the only way they knew how: through a war of religious extermination."" Let me further improve this one for you. After the Ottoman Empire lost World War I, the British landed in 1919 a 200,000 Greek army in Izmir to exterminate the people of Turkiye. Are you suffering from a severe case of amnesia? The tired and defeated Turks rose up, formed a National Force under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal, and on August 30, 1922 they annihilated the bulk of the Greek Army. Now wait, there is more. <> Nikos Stavroulakis 'Athens-Auschwitz', page ix. Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991). page 187: <<...the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire which had been going on for a century was disastrous for Ottoman Jewry. This was the age of nationalism among the Christian subjects of the Sultan, starting with the Greek Revolution early in the nineteenth century, which, based on the Megali Idea, or Great Idea, sought to add to Greek kingdom Istanbul and large portions of Anatolia, union of which with Greece was felt to be the 'dream and hope of all'. The success of the Greek national movement, provided more in fact by the intervention of the Great Powers than by the efforts of the Greeks themselves, stimulated similar uprisings among the other subjects in Southeastern Europe who had long been oppressed, not so much by the Ottomans but, rather, by the Greek religious hierarchy which dominated the Orthodox millet, leading first to pressure for religious independence, granted to the Bulgarian Orthodox Exarchate in 1870, to the Serbian Church in 1879, and to the Rumanian Church in 1885, with subsequent aspirations for, and achievement of, political independence following...>> page 188: <<...They [new nationalist leaders] were greatly assisted in their campaigns against the Ottomans both by the diplomatic and consular representatives of the major Powers of Europe and also by Christian missionaries, who emphasized feelings of Christian superiority and hatred for Muslims and Jews which fortified the religious as well as ethnic bases of their pursuit of independence. Christian nationalism, based as much on religious as on ethnic identity, soon resurrected the medieval bigotries which had devastated both Jews and Muslims and consequently had driven them together in the past. Vicious anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic movements developed, involving large-scale persecutions and massacres carried out by invading armies, by the independent states that resulted, also by Christian subjects who remained within the Empire, particularly because of Jewish and Muslim support for Ottoman integrity in fear of their fate in the emergent nationalist states of Southeastern Europe. The results were explosive and damaging. The invading armies of Russia and Austria as well as the revolting nationalists and, later, successfully established independent Christian states, committed systematic genocide against Jews and Muslims throughout the nineteenth century, despite Great Power admonitions to the contrary in the treaties of Paris (1858) and Berlin (1878),...>> page 188: <<...As the peoples of Southeastern Europe achieved their independence, their Muslim and Jewish minorities were systematically persecuted and massacred, and those who survived were driven beyond the ever-shrinking boundaries of the retreating Ottoman Empire in a kind of slaughter which had not been seen since the dispersal of the Jews from Palestine centuries earlier. This sort of genocide had begun as long before as the late sixteenth century, with the Rumanian Principalities taking the lead, as united Rumania did subsequently during the later years of the nineteenth century. In 1579 the ruler of Moldavia, Peter the Lame, banished its Jews because of their competition with its Christian merchants. When Prince Micheal the Brave revolted against the Ottomans in the Rumanian principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia in 1593, he ordered the massacre of all the Jews as well as Turks in Bucharest.>> page 189: <> page 190 (second paragraph): <> page 190 (third paragraph): <> page 193 (last paragraph): <> page 194 (last paragraph): <> [14] Shlomo Rozanes, Korot Hayehudim Beturkiyah Vebeartzot Hakedem: Hadorot Haachronim (Jerusalem, 1945), pp.42-44, cited Yitzchak Kerem, 'The Influence of Anti-Semitism on Jewish Immigration Patterns from Greece to the Ottoman Empire in the 19th Century', pp.2, 14. [15] Maxime Raybaud, Memoires sur la Grece, pour servir a l'histoire de la Guerre de l'Independence (2 Vols, Paris, 1824), pp.5-19; Galante, Turcs et Juifs (Istanbul, 1932), 76-77. [16] Rev. T.S. Hughes, Travels in Greece and Albania (2nd edn, 2 vols, London, 1830), II, 194-95. [17] Rev. John Hartley, Researches in Greece and the Levant (London, 1831), 207, quoted in Yitzchak Kerem, 'Jewish Immigration Patterns from Greece to the Ottoman Empire in the Nineteenth Century', published paper delivered at the Comite International d'Etudes Pre-Ottomanes et Ottomanes, VIII Symposium, 'Decision-Making and the Transmission of Authority in the Turkic System', University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 14-19 August 1988, p.4. [18] Hartley, ibid., pp.206-7, William Martin Leake, Travels in Northern Greece (2 Vols, London, 1835) II, 231-32, 609; Errikos Sevillas, Athens-Auschwitz (Athens, 1983), p.ix, quoted in Kerem, ibid., p.14. [19] Documented in Kerem, ibid., pp.14-19. Pearl L. Preschel, The Jews of Corfu (Greece), Unpublished Ph.D. dissertation, New York University, 1984. Goerge Finlay, History of the Greek Revolution (London, 1861), 172, 179-86; See also 'Greece', EJ VII, 876-77. [20] Yoannina Vasdraveli, Ee Thessaloniki: Kata Ton Agona Tis Aneksantizias (Salonica, 1946), pp.19-35; Yitzchak Kerem, An Outline of the History of Jews of Selonica (in Hebrew) (Museum of Kibbutz Lahoma, Getaot, 1985), p.21, quoted in Kerem, ibid., p.15. [21] Kerem, ibid., pp.8-12, 'The Persecution of the Jews', Times (London), 16 May 1891; A. Ablagon to AIU, 19 October 1898, AIU, Grece VIII.B.34, Schaki (Larissa) to AIU, 23 August/4 September 1893, BAIU, Grece, Deuxieme Serie, no.18, 1er et 2e Semestre, 1893; Elia Fraggi (Larissa) to AIU, 5 June 1874, AIU Grece, I.C.22; Larissa AIU represantatives to AIU, 23 June/5 July 1897, AIU, Grece II.B.16; Jewish Community of Canea leaders in Samos to AIU, 3 March, 1897, AIU, Grece VIII.B.35. [26] Pearl L. Preschel, The Jews of Corfu (Greece), Unpublished Ph.D. dissertation, New York University, 1984. [27] Leon Sciaky, Farewell to Salonica: Portrait of an Era (New York, 1946); Edgar Morin, Vidal et les Siens (Paris, Seuil, 1989), 55-67; Paul Dumont, 'The Social Structure of the Jewish Community of Salonica at the end of the nineteenth century', Southeastern Europe V (1979), 33-72; Galante, Turcs VIII, 18-21; Rodrigue, pp.178-80. [28] A. Cohen, Ecole Secondaire Moise Allatini, Salonica, to AIU, Paris, no.7745/7, 4 December 1912, in AIU Archives I C 49. [29] Mizrahi, President of AIU at Salonica, to AIU (Paris), no.2704/3, 25 July 1913. In AIU Archives (Paris) I C 51. ( AIU = Alliance Israelite Universelle, Paris. ) Need I go on? Serdar Argic",talk.politics.mideast 3838,"FURY OF MOTHER NATURE Man's contribution to environmental ""pollution"" are paltry compared to those of nature. In her exceptional book TRASHING THE PLANET, former Atomic Energy Commision Chairman Dr. Dixie Lee Ray notes based on the available data, ""all of the air polluting materials produced by man since the beginning of the industrial revolution do not begin to equal the quantities of toxic materials, aerosols, and particulates spewed into the air from just three volcanoes: Krakatoa in Indonesia in 1883, Mount Katmai in Alaska in 1912, and Hekla in Iceland in 1947."" To which could be added Mount St. Helens in Washington State in 1980 (which pumped out 910,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide alone). El Chicon in Mexico in 1982 (which sent more than 100 million tons of sulfur gases into the stratosphere), and Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines (which in 1991 hurled upwards of 30 million tons of material into the stratosphere). LOS NINOS Many environmentalists attributed the 1988 drought in the U.S. to global warming, but researchers with the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder Colorado reported that the freakish weather was actually due to a natural phenomenon, the interaction of El Nino and El Nina, two massive currents in the tropical Pacific. El Nino is a huge strip of warm water that periodically appears off the coast of South America and disrupts the world's weather patterns. Now and then, it alternates with El Nina, a mass of cold water that comes from the ocean depths along the equator and drifts for thousands of miles. CHICAGO TRIBUNE'S Peter Gorner summarized the phenomenon: ""Cold water along the equator clashed with warmer than normal water southeast of Hawaii. The result was both the U.S. drought and the devastating floods that swamped Bangladesh...... Nina's cooler water disrupted tropical weather patterns and distorted the path of the Jet Stream across North America. Then the Jet Stream shoved rain-producing weather systems away from the interior of the U.S. resulting in drought."" TERMITE TERROR Sundry animals and insects also contribute their share to environmental ""degradation. TIME for April 20,1992 noted that in ""the Netherlands... manure from pigs poses a major ecological threat, defiling water supplies with excessive nitrites and acidifying local soils. Sheep have permanently scarred the landscape in Spain and Portugal, while in India ... bovines [cows] are ravenous wraiths whose constant quest for food drives them to ravage standing forrests."" The February 1983 issue of SCIENCE DIGEST reported that ""an international team of researchers has discovered that termites generate more than twice the Carbon Dioxide that fuel burning does."" According to a study reported in SCIENCE for November 5, 1982, the ""estimated gross amount of Carbon Dioxide produced [by termites] was more than twice the net global input from fossil fuel combustion."" In addition, ""Termites are a potentially important source of atmospheric methane: they could account for a large fraction of global emmisions."" The wood-eating pests have a bacteria that enables them too digest carbon so efficiently that some 90 pe is converted too Carbon Dioxide, methane, and other gases they belch into the atmosphere. Ants are another natural source of ""pollution."" In 1987, an atmospheric chemist with Bell Laboratories, and zoologists from Cornell University, reported that ants of the subfamily FORMICINAE make and store huge quantities of the formic acid that contributes most of the acidity of rain that falls in remote areas and is found in atmosphere gas and precepitation around the globe. It is abundant, for instance, in the fog and mists that hang over the rain forests of Central Africa. According to the July 6, 1987 INSIGHT magazine, the ""ants release the acid when defending themselves and communicating with each other and upon dying. Since 30 percent of the world ant population belongs to this subfamily, there is significant concern about the acid the ants release,"" an amount estimated at ""600,000 metric tons annually."" which is equal to the combined formic acid contributions of automobiles, refuse combustion and vegetation."" Clearly, man has a long way to go to match nature as a ""despoiler"" of the environment. By Robert W. Lee. ",talk.politics.misc 3839,"# # # ># So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism? # # > Assuming that you mean 'hear', you weren't 'listening': he just # > told you, ""Zionism is Racism."" This is a tautological statement. # # I think you are confusing ""tautological"" with ""false and misleading."" No, but you're right that I didn't express myself well. The dialog went: A: ""Zionism is racism."" B: ""What IS zionism?"" DC: ""You weren't listening, were you?"" In other words, the first statement *defined* a Zionism of discourse. Everything else was redundant.",talk.politics.mideast 3840,"NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 23 APRIL 1993: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS BEST OF SEVEN PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE NJ BUF (leads 3-0) STL (leads 3-0) WIN PIT (leads 3-0) BOS CHI VAN (leads 2-1) NYI (leads 2-1) MON TOR LA WAS QUE (leads 2-1) DET (leads 2-1) CAL (tied 2-1) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Detroit Red Wings (lead series 2-1) 0 1 1 - 2 Toronto Maple Leafs 2 0 2 - 4 Dave Andreychuk scored his first two playoff goals for Toronto and Felix Potvin stopped 34 of 36 Red Wing shots as the Maple Leafs won their first win in the series. First period-- 1, Toronto, Andreychuk 1 (Foligno,Gilmour), 4:21. 2, Toronto, Andreychuk 2 (Gilmour), 7:37. Second period-- 3, Detroit, Fedorov 2 (Coffey,Sheppard), 1:20 (pp). Third period-- 4, Toronto, Clark 1 (Gilmour,Mironov), 4:44 (pp). 5, Toronto, Pearson 1 (Clark,Cullen), 9:32. 6, Detroit, Chiasson 2 (Konstantinov, Fedorov), 14:14. Shots on goal-- Detroit 9-19-8--36. Toronto 13-8-12--33. Power-play opportunities-- Detroit 1 of 5; Toronto 1 of 8. Goalies-- Detroit, Cheveldae, 2-1 (33 shots-29 saves). Toronto, Potvin, 1-2 (36-34). A--15,720. Referee-- Mark Faucette. Linesmen-- Kevin Collins, Brian Murphy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chicago Blackhawks 0 0 0 - 0 St. Louis Blues (lead series 3-0) 1 1 1 - 3 Curtis Joseph blanked the Blackhawks for the second straight game and Brett Hull scored a goal and added an assist to lead the Blues to a 3-0 series lead. Chicago hasn't scored in 131:09 of play since Brian Noonan's hat-trick goal in game 1. First period-- 1, St. Louis, Janney 1 (Hull,Brown), 16:53 (pp). Second period-- 2, St. Louis, Hull 3 (Miller), 12:31. Third period-- 3, St. Louis, Emerson 1 (Felsner,Shanahan), 16:44. Shots on goal-- Chicago 9-12-13--34. St. Louis 7-13-4--24. Power-play opportunities-- Chicago 0 of 4; St. Louis 1 of 7. Goalies-- Chicago, Belfour, 0-3 (24 shots-21 saves). St. Louis, Joseph, 3-0 (34-34). A--17,985. Referee-- Dan Marouelli. Linesmen-- Randy Mitton, Shane Heyer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vancouver Canucks (lead series 2-1) 1 2 1 - 4 Winnipeg Jets 3 0 2 - 5 Teemu Selanne broke out of his mini-slump with a hat trick, including the game-winner, to lead the Jets to a 5-4 victory. Trevor Linden and Pavel Bure each scored twice for the losing Canucks. First period-- 1, Winnipeg, Tkachuk 1 (Housley), 3:52. 2, Winnipeg, Selanne 1 (Housley,Shannon), 7:01 (pp). 3, Vancouver, Bure 2, 18:29. 4, Winnipeg, Selanne 2 (Shannon,Housley), 19:57 (pp). Second period-- 5, Vancouver, Linden 2 (Ronning,Lumme), :14. 6, Vancouver, Linden 3 (Adams,Slegr), :59 (pp). Third period-- 7, Winnipeg, Borsato 1 (Steen), 2:53 (sh). 8, Winnipeg, Selanne 3 (Shannon), 9:35. 9, Vancouver, Bure 3 (Babych,Lidster), 15:52. Shots on goal-- Vancouver 18-9-10--37. Winnipeg 13-8-8--29. Power-play opportunities-- Vancouver 1 of 8; Winnipeg 2 of 6. Goalies-- Vancouver, McLean, 2-1 (29 shots-24 saves). Winnipeg, Essensa, 1-2 (37-33). A--15,569. Referee-- Kerry Fraser. Linesmen-- Gord Broseker, Dan Schachte. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Calgary Flames (lead series 2-1) 2 1 2 - 5 Los Angeles Kings 0 1 1 - 2 (Boxscore tomorrow) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 24 April 1993: Washington at NY Islanders (NY Islanders lead series 2-1), 7:40pm EST Boston at Buffalo (Buffalo leads series 3-0), 7:40pm EST Quebec at Montreal (Quebec leads series 2-1), 8:10pm EST Sunday, 25 April 1993: Pittsburgh at New Jersey (Pittsburgh leads series 3-0), 1:10pm EST Chicago at St. Louis (St. Louis leads series 3-0), 1:10pm EST Calgary at Los Angeles (Calgary leads series 2-1), 3:10pm EST Detroit at Toronto (Detroit leads series 2-1), 7:10pm EST Vancouver at Winnipeg (Vancouver leads series 2-1), 9:10pm EST -JPC -- ",rec.sport.hockey 3841,"I just joined this group recently and really do not know much about cryptography, but a couple things came to mind while reading through the posts. 1. Is the Clipper chip going to be exported? If not, how will people communicate with other countries? Will they have to do that in un-crypt-mode. Will other encryption techniques be legal (assuming the government cracks down on using others) when going overseas, but not within the states? 2. I've read about authentication systems that use an electronic security card that looks like a calculator to create an encrypted PIN based on the time/date. The host system has the algorithm built into it as well so that it can authenticate a user. Is there some form of encryption technology that would create keys that are only valid at a certain instant in time? The systems would then allow a ""window"" of time around this instant where the key would work. I realize that this technique would increase the amount of information needing to be stored because you would need entire algorithms rather than just keys. But for smaller scale things it might work. Could some similar method be used to make the two 80-bit keys that are issued to police/FBI/etc to tap a phone only usable for one-week (for instance). If further surveilance was needed, they would have to go back to the escrow service to get another key. This would make it useless for local police to database keys they have used. I assume this is not possible because the receiving phone would need to be able to decypher the message. But any thoughts on the subject? Thanks, Tauren Mills",sci.crypt 3842,"Has anyone observed this? If I copy a large, say 800K+ file (a large PKZIP file for instance) to my floppy drive (3.5"") under MS Windows 3.1 via either Program Manager or a DOS Shell, the file copied under the DOS shell has errors whereas the file copied from within Program Manager does not. The corruption is detected by executing ""pkunzip -t b:\file.zip"" after both copies. The file copied via the DOS shell always shows corruption. Now here's the kicker: I have many windows open while doing this; both DOS and WINDOWs apps. Supposedly all WINDOWs' apps share the same time slice, whereas the DOS apps get their own equal time slice (unless overriden). So, as an example, I have 5 WINDOWs' apps open, 2 multitasking DOS sessions running, and one execution-execlusive DOS shell iconized (inactive). Under this scenario, CPU time is divided into two major slices: one for all the Windows apps and one slice for the running DOS app. When copying under Windows PGM MGR, I'll assume the other Windows and DOS tasks are essentially inactive. Thus PGM MGR gets, say, 80% of the Windows slice and 95% of the execution-background DOS shell's slices. Thus it gets (.8)(.95)^2 = .72 or 72% of the total available CPU time. When copying in a DOS shell, I activate the execute-exclusive mode DOS shell (no other DOS background tasks allowed), full screen, under the Windows task manager. The CPU time available to this shell would be 80% of the Windows slice (assumming inactive Windows applications) and 100% of the DOS slice: (1.0)(.8) = .8 or 80% of the total available CPU time. So why do I get copy errors under DOS if it has the greater amount of CPU time? Is program manager working in a pre-emptive mode during the floppy copy? It must be! Miscellaneous data: Running Windows on top of DOS 5.0, qemm 5.x, rapidbios.sys, 2.0 mbyte smartdrive (no delayed writes), two ramdrives, logitech mouse driver 6.2, full 16mbytes motherboard RAM, 64Kbyte motherboard cache, 386 DX 33 Mhz. Running dos-edit.com TSR in the DOS shell. -- ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3843,"Great SLR camera (Ricoh) for sale. Has all the Nikon FE features, and also shutter speeds form 16 seconds and down. Excellent condition. With accessories such as a zoom lens. Very reasonable price.",misc.forsale 3844,"This is an outrage! I don't even own a dog. ",None 3845,"wanted: apple adb mouse and keyboard contact Paul Gribble at above email address asap. Paul G. ",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3846,"Does anyone know if the source is available to create FLI or FLC animations? I would ideally like DLL's for Windows but would settle for C source. I've heard they might be available on Amiga forums somewhere. The libraries currently distributed by Autodesk, AAWIN, AAPLAY, do NOT have FLI creation capability, only playback. Any pointers would be appreciated, thanks!",comp.graphics 3847,"N(P>Just got a 66MHz 486DX2 system, and am considering getting a fan for the N(P>CPU. The processor when running is too hot to touch so I think this is a N(P>fairly good idea. (long ago when I did some electronics training I read N(P>somewhere that the regions within a chip that define junctions/gates etc N(P>slowly diffuse over time and this increases with temperature, hence a hot N(P>chip goes off-spec sooner) N(P>Has anyone out there got a CPU fan?? I work for a small PC OEM. We offer both a personal and professional system line. Our 486 pro machines always have a CPU cooling fan on DX2 and DX-50 units. N(P>Is there more than 1 type? There are several manufacturers. N(P>Do you have to remove the CPU from its scoket to install the fan? Sometimes - depends on the specific fan model. N(P>Do all CPU fans derive their power from spare drive power lines? All the ones I've seen do; many come with a 'Y' connector, so you don't have to have a ""spare"" connector. N(P>Anyone had any trouble with CPU fans? None. N(P>Does anyone have any evidence that CPU fans are a complete waste of money? Touch a 486DX-50 chip after its been running a few minutes - you won't feel the fan is a waste! N(P>How are these fans attached? (glue? clips? melted cheese?) Depends on the model. Many use clips - make sure you use heat sink grease, or heat transfering tape, or you will have wasted your money. N(P>Roughly how much cooler will the CPU be with a fan as opposed to without? (an advert I've read claims 85F vs 185F) Tough to tell - I do know the chip sheds a lot of heat. * SLMR 2.1a * Murphy was an optimist - Is your data backed up? ",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3848," Take a look at the standings. It's REAL easy to get so focussed on minutinae and forget that the Giants happen to be in first place. If it's working, you don't SCREW IT UP by changing things, just because you think it ought to be different. Some folks like to argue about theoretical details. I prefer to watch teams win. When the Giants slip to third, then we can talk about how to re-arrange the batting order. Until then, I think it's stupid to focus on what's wrong, for the simple fact that IT'S WORKING AS IT IS. In the majors? I don't follow AL, so I won't comment on ""Majors"". In the NL, if I had my choice of any 1B in the league for my team, it'd be Clark, and I'd hit him third. (My fantasy team has both Grace and Murray on it, because I've never been able to GET Clark. I'd take any of the three without hesitation in real life, but I think Clark is it). Williams: Not even close. I much prefer his defense, but when he isn't headcasing it, Matt has a good, solid swing and some real punch. If he drops to .230, then he wanders out of cleanup, but according to the latest Baseball Weekly, he's hitting .275, and in the last week, hitting .296. That's not exactly chopped liver. Mostly, though, the Giants are winning, and frankly, as long as that continues, it's rather silly to second-guess their strategy. But evidently, some folks would rather be right than be first. ",rec.sport.baseball 3849,"than First of all, I wouldn't advise wasting your time with Apple. They'll treat you like an idiot and you won't get any answers (a personal opinion). The safest thing to do is match the SVGA monitor's scanning rates with Apple's rates. I don't know Apple's video scanning rates, but I use the Micron Xceed 30's rates, as they're a good approximation. About cables: you just have to go out to someplace like Fry's and get a few Mac-VGA cables and try them out. I have a ViewSonic 5E (14"") and I use an NEC adaptor. Other monitors may use other adaptors. I also have a Mac->832x624 adaptor that tricks System into thinking the monitor is an Apple 16"". I need to readjust the vertical and horizontal sizes but it works fairly well. ""Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile.""",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3850,"We are making a transition from NextStep to X-windows. I am trying to find the best GUI tool for our needs. I have looked at several tools but they all seem basically the same (each salesman will beg to differ). I realize that there are differences but I don't have an infinate amount of time to discover what they are. The tools I have looked at so far are UIM/X, X-designer, Tele-Use, tcl/tk,Interviews, and SUIT. So far I've drawn the following conclusions: 1) The builder for Interviews is not very mature, bad docs 2) Tele-Use is very expensive and uses a proprietary toolkit 3) UIM/X & X-designer seem about the same, even though X-designer does not have a interpreter (I'll by Centerline if I need one) 4) tcl/tk is a little buggy 5) I know very little about the ICS Builder (just have the sales info) 6) Due to a corporate agreement X-designer is much cheeper than any other comercial product. 7) For the time I'm spending I could have bought all of them (well different money) 8) We will have to live with any shortcomings and make it work 9) this type of tool seems great, but noone seems to talk about them on the net. Is there another news group for this ? 10) SUIT cost too much for comercial development. I'm hoping someone out there has a strong opinion on at least one of these products. thanks ",comp.windows.x 3851,"Here is a list I get when I was combing through some microfilm one day here at Drexel while completely board. Most of these circuits are pretty easy to constuct and can be done by a novice. This is basically some stuff that could prove useful to you without having to sit down and either design or buy the stuff (not a good word, but I'm tired right now). Hope you enjoy! If you have any additions send them to me and I'll add them to the list . They don't have to be from this particular magazine, they just have to be interesting! RADIO ELECTRONICS Year Month Page Article Name and/or discription ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 92 April 31 Car Audio Amplifier (270 Watts) May 41 Midi Light Controller (Light control from music input) 47 Solid State Relay 50 Digital Altimeter June 53 Electronic Thermostat 91 February43 Audio Sweep/Marker Generator (frequency response) April 43 Line Power from 12 volts (12 VDC -> 110 VAC) (40 Watts) June 39 Electronic Compass August 55 Speaker Protector Sept. 33 Solid State Tesla Coil Oct. 39 Vocal Effects/Mixer Nov. 58 Music on Hold (Play music for someone who is on hold on the phone) Dec. 47 THD Analizer 53 Battery Tool 63 Electronic Fuse 90 Jan. 35 Acoustic field Generator 45 Phone activated Audio Muting circuit Feb. 31 Frequency Probe 37 Radar Detector Tester March 31 Universal Laboratory Power Supply April 33 Morse/RTTY Detector 43 Capacitance Adaptor (Capacitance add on for a DMM) 46 Solid State Wiper control May 37 Universal Descrambler (for a TV) July 31 Digital Dashboard (for a car) August 41 Digital Pressure gauge Sept. 33 Vocal Stripper (take the vocals away from music) Oct. 37 Rocket Altimeter (model rockets) Dec. 33 Benchtop Frequency counter 89 Jan 55 Carrier-Current Audio transmitter (audio through your house's wiring) 62 Plasma display globe 70 Advanced Control System Feb. 55 Carrier-Current Receiver March 51 Hi-Fi Audio Amp for House or Car (High Power) May 41 I-R Extender (extender for Infra-Red remotes) July 31 Light beam communication 38 Digital Capacitance meter Nov 39 R-C Decade Box 43 Digital Compass Dec 37 Programmable Phasor Property Guard 88 July 41 L-C Meter Part 1 August 50 L-C Meter Part 2 87 Nov. 107 Electronic Combonation Lock 86 Sept 41 Stun Gun June 55 Click and Pop filter for your stereo (removes clicks and pops when you play old LPs) -- From what I could see, you can order the circuit kits, finished or unfinished or you can order the parts that you can't get through a normal store",sci.electronics 3852," That doesn't answer my question: Can you give a proof that it is an official policy of any Israeli government to kill ""neutral observers"" or UN personel or others like them? I wasn't sure that your original statement was wrong and was prepared to recieve proofs that you are right (since I don't follow the events closely). Your last response made me pretty damn sure that at least YOU can't give such a proof, and you made your original statement without much ground to put it on. Even if it's true (and in this case I'd take it without asking you to prove it) it is still far from killing reporters. Also whenever that happened I'll bet it happened as individual actions by certain soldiers and not as a policy of the government (e.g. see the Hawara case where a colonel was sentenced for giving orders to kick Arabs, as far as I remember). Bye, ",talk.politics.mideast 3853,"From article <1993Apr22.165659.8890@desire.wright.edu>, by demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer): Hmmm... that's not quite right. The Performa 600 is Real Darn Close to the IIvx (but a better buy IMO). I also don't think they are so much a 'low-cost business solution', but a low-cost _home_ solution. Why else bundle at ease (among other things)? Hardly a business application. What do you mean by 'no ""retail price""'. Quite the contrary, I think. The price is darn near the same all across the country. That (again, IMO) was one of the selling points of the performas -- ie: no haggling required. Kinda like the Saturn (car) of the computer set. One price, medium performance, ready to go. When I shopped for my Performa (600CD), the difference between Sears (*sigh), Montgomery Wards, Silo (*sigh), Circuit City (*sigh*) and Bizmart (*sigh*) couldn't have been $100.00. Why I chose one over the other was based solely on availability and a friendly salesman who went the extra mile (when did you last hear that about someone who sells Apples?). Admittedly, except for Montgomery Wards (and I suspect I was just lucky) all of the salesfolk I spoke to didn't know didly about the computers, peecee or mac. But then, neither did any of the Apple dealers I spoke with... If you would've told me a year ago that I would buy a Macintosh from Montgomery Wards I woulda laughed for a long, long time. Go figure. I'm *real* happy with my Performa. Oh, and I bought the Apple Performa Plus monitor (vs. buying 3rd party). Happy with that decision as well. I walked in, plopped down some cash, and walked out with a spankin' new computer the day before Christmas. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Instrument Approach Procedures Automation DOT/FAA/AMI-230",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3854,"Extract from the color README file for Anthony's Icon Library. For Network discussion... Color Coordination... I tried to start a discussion in `comp.windows.x' at the start of the year about some sort of `standard color table' that icons should follow (say 16 to 32 colors including 5 colors for a small grey scale). but no one responded at all. The problem is that if the colors for icons are just used willy-nilly you will soon find that the workstations color table, devotes itself solely the window manager, icons and other `adminstrative tasks' instead of applications that actually require the colors for proper working. ``Color needful applications'' such as : Picture and graphic displayers, Animation, Real Time video, Raytracers, etc... . The following is a suggested color table for icons, and general use. Icons, Window Managers, and general applications, should follow this table or something like it, UNLESS the application is ``color needful''. * for each primary color (red,green,blue) three colors EG: values 0, 128 and 255. This results in 3 ^ 3 colors (27) representing most of the standard colors for use in icons. * two extra shades of grey EG: vales (black) 0, 64, 128, 196 and 255 (white,red,...) * 3 other colors -- probably of some primary color to provide shading a and 3-D look to buttons and titlebars in the window manager. This table represents 32 colors and represents a large range of posibilities for the above ``administrative services'' of the workstation. Anthony Thyssen - (SysProg @ Griffith University) anthony@cit.gu.edu.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A Gods idea of amusement is a Snakes & Ladders game, with greased rungs. - Terry Pratchett ""Wyrd Sisters""",comp.windows.x 3855," who cares about typos of these meaningless, synthetic names? if the cars were named after a person, e.g. honda, i'd be more respectful. wrong! the GS300 and SC300 use straight sixes, while the ES300 uses a V6. only a giant like toyota can afford to have both a V6 and inline 6 in its lineup, but that won't last for long. ",rec.autos 3856,"David Hammerslag asked: How do you (Mormons) reconcile the idea of eternal marriage with Christ's statement that in the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage (Luke, chapt. 20)? Several explanations for this seeming contradiction have been proposed, but most LDS scholars whose opinions I have studied take more or less one of the following three positions: (1) Jesus was talking to a group of people (Sadducees) who were trying to trip Him up with what they felt was a silly hypothetical situa- tion that ridiculed the concept of a resurrection (something they didn't believe in). These people -- and those associated with them (""Now there were with us seven brethren"", Matt. 22:25) -- would not be receptive to such higher blessings as eternal marriage. Hence, the people in the story would likely not be married in the eterni- ties; but that doesn't mean other, more faithful people could not have this blessing. (2) Jesus was making a distinction between the state or condition of =being= married, and the process of =becoming= married. The latter activity (marrying and giving in marriage) will not take place in the eternities, because all eternal marriages will be taken care of before then. (3) The account as we have it (in all three of the synoptic Gospels) is missing something that would make its real meaning clearer. Note that we (LDS) do not believe in Biblical inerrancy, so we do not in general feel obliged to reconcile each and every Bible text with modern revelation through Joseph Smith and other latter-day proph- ets. Nor are we particularly upset that the account in question was not significantly revised in the ""Joseph Smith Translation"" or ""Inspired Version"" of the Bible, since we do not believe this work was completed or that failure to revise a passage in the JST con- stitutes divine approval of that passage as it stands in the KJV. ",soc.religion.christian 3857," W --> W --> SEE! The Providence Bruins lost the first two games at home and came back to W --> tie the series on the road, there may be hope for the Bruins yet! Toast. They're toast. (And I know how much you want me to eat these words, but it ain't gonna happen.) Are the golf courses in the Boston area in playable condition yet? - Jack * Acid consumes 47 times its weight in life!",rec.sport.hockey 3858," My respect for the power of the hockey gods is preventing me from commenting on the above, and for commenting on whether the guy Damphousse was traded for is on vacation or not. Perhaps Roger (demonstrably in contempt of the hockey gods and paying for it) dares a comment or two?",rec.sport.hockey 3859,,None 3860,"More people have been asking for information on the Kubota graphics workstations, so here is some more info on the Kenai/Denali vs. the E&S Freedom. Here is the text of a Denali vs. E&S Freedom done by D.H. Brown Associates. ------ Denali bears a strong resemblance to Evans and Sutherlands Freedom graphics subsystem in several aspects of its high-level design. Both products use a parallel array of 29050 processors for geometric computations. Both have a pixel router to connect this front end to a second array of pixel processors. As a result, Denali and Freedome overlap significantly in performance and functionality. Both design teams also appear to have similar philosophies with respect to modularity, scalability, and market penetration. There remain, however, several important differences between the KPC and E&S products. Evans and Sutherland designed Freedom as a high-end developer's dream system with plenty of performance potential and flexibility. In its favor, Freedom has configurations from two to sixteen floating point units, a border range that starts and ends at a higher price and performance levels than Denali. All Freedom systems include a large, fixed number of pixel processors that support a broader variety of color blending functions. The Freedom design treats its entire image memory as general-purpose memory, allowing developers to allocate it on a flexible basis to a number of special-purpose applications. Finally, E&S provided Freedom with very flexible otput and video integration features for multimedia and simulation applications. Note that KPC is working an auxiliary board for NTSC and PAL output that will not require an external video encoder. E&S programmable output features, however, will remain much more flexible. The KPC design team, in contrast, made Denali more of an end-user's system. Entry version have better performance range and flexibility than low-end Freedom configurations, and come in at more realistic mainstream price points. Denali does not need as many 29050 modules as Freedome because it uses a deeper scan-conversion pipeline to support each one, resulting in better cost/performance characteristics. Although both products provide strong support for 3D, imaging, and volume rendering, KPC recognized that not all users will want an even mix of these capabilities. Denali's configuration flexibility allows customers in effect to purchase geometric and pixel processing capabilities separately, and to upgrade them separately as needed. Both companies have implemented hardware texture mapping at workstation price levels as a way to attack SGI's more expensive VGXT and RealityEngine systems -- the only other products to provide this capability. KPC supports point sampling and bilinear interpolation of textures in hardware, but provides only software support for the higher qualtiy tri-linear interpolated mipmapping method. On balance, however, Denali provideds bettern overall texturing capabilities than E&S for most applications. Aside from being much more affordable, KPC solutions deliver more parallelism for texture processing and more off-screen memory for general graphics data storage. By implementing texture mapping on its transformation modules, E&S foces customers to move very quickly to higher price levels to obtain better texturing performance. Kubota avoids this problem by linking texturing to its Frame Buffer Modules, providing a lower-cost, more scalable solution. Hope this helps, Brian",comp.graphics 3861,"Probably the most famous V16 is the one Cadillac made from about 1925 to 1935. They had to scale down then because the Great Depression really put the crimp on luxury cars. It had 452 cubic inches with over two hundred horse power. ""They don't make them like they used to."" There were others though. Packard had one until about 1930 whe it down sized to their legendary Twin-Six, their mainstay for the next twenty years. Lincoln and Pierce Arrow might have also had one but I am not two sure. Most luxury and semi-luxury cars of this era at least experimented with V16 if they did not actually produce them. There was actually a ""cylinder war"" among the Big Three to see who could produce the biggest engine. Big M",rec.autos 3862,"I have following softwares for sale: NEW ITEMS (never opened): 1. Lucid 3-D, three dimensional spreadsheet: with pull-down menus, on-line help, up to 8 pages of notes behind every cell for dynamic detail, 3-D capability, compatible with Lotus 1-2-3, etc. $15 including shipping (manual, 5.25"" disks) 2. Turbo Pascal Express with 250 ready-to-run assembly language routines that make Turbo Pascal faster, more powerful, and easier to use. Book and 2 5.25"" disks $15 (including shipping) 3. Dr. Halo III much more than an icon driven paint program - it's a complete page composition and presentation graphics package. Automatic aspect ratio correction for WYSIWYG printing. True color or grey scale output and partial screen prints. 3 5.25"" disks and manual $12 (including shipping) 4. Key Form Designer Plus software for making professional business forms. 3.5"" disks and manual $25 plus shipping OBO Like-new items (package is opened but not registered): 1. JetFighter II Advanced tactical fighter F-23 as well as F-14, F-16, F/A-18, and F-22. 3.25"" disks and manuals $30 plus Shipping OBO 2. Nighthwak F-117A Stealth Fighter 2.0 The definitive simulation of America's radar-elusive jet. Sensational sound, nine world's ""hot spots"": Cuba, North Korea, the Kuwaiti T Theatre of operations, central Europe, the North Cape, Libya, the persian Gul f, Vietnam and the Middle East. Awesome missions to challenge you. 5.25"" disks and manual $35 plus shipping OBO 3. Grammatik IV - $20 plus shipping 4. Quattro Pro 1.0 - make an offer 5. GEM chart, graphics, word, publisher, ... V.3.0 - make an offer.",misc.forsale 3863,"Does anyone know of a program or utility that will enable the Mac to read Unix (i.e. NeXT) 3.5 in. disks?",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3864," Calm down. It is not as if I tweaked the fount of the flame wars or anything (guns, anything to do with them). ",talk.politics.guns 3865,"Brad Yearwood posts a long response to the issue of registering a phone-clipper relationship. It doesn't wash. Recall that law enforcement gets a court order to tap a suspect's phone calls. They do what they do now--figure out which lines to tap. They then record the stuff. If it's Clipper, they read the law enforcement block, extract the serial number, and get the keys using the court order. No new difficulties (such as using someone else's phone instrument or phone line) are introduced that wouldn't have existed absent clipper. If the crooks were going to use a pay phone (say), they could have done so without clipper. If the government figures out they're so doing, they listen in, and if it's a clipper conversation they get the serial number and then the keys. If the crooks use an innocent person's clipper phone on the tapped line there's no problem. The Feds don't care whose phone instrument is used, just that the conversation is by the suspect on the tapped line. They get the serial number, get the keys, and they are in business. No clipper chip to person association is ever needed. David",sci.crypt 3866,"One of our users is having an unusual problem. If she does an Alt/Tab to a full-screen DOS program, when she goes back to Windows her desktop fonts have changed. If she goes back to a full-screen DOS program and then goes back to Windows, the font has changed back to its default font. It's not a major problem (everything works and the font is legible), but it is annoying. Does anyone have any idea why this happens. By the way, she has a DEC 486D2LP machine. ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3867," I too think that Joseph has had a GREAT year and should be considered for the Vezina. I think Barrasso and Joseph should be the two strongest candidates this year. I don't believe ALL of the hype that Roy, Belfour and now Potvin receive for their goaltending. I do think that they are great in the nets, but I would rather have Curtis, Tommy or Fuhr in the nets during this years playoffs. The big name tenders always seem to have a strong defense in front of them and the goaltenders get the most credit. I would rather face 25 shots a game, than have to rely on Joseph saving 35, but if the goalie is going to face 35 shots, I would rather have Joseph or Barrasso facing them. -Jay ps Go Quebec!!! And I know that McLean and several others should be mentioned as candidates for this years Vezina, but I am partial to Joseph and Barrasso this season. ",rec.sport.hockey 3868," I've already written a 5000 char commentary (from my MCI MAIL account, so I can't be accused of being a ""hacker"".)",sci.crypt 3869,"can anybody guess this from the title? Not me, I thought that a clash between Israelis and Arabs resulted in four deaths on one side and two on the other. How about being illegally settled there? I am not sure about the signals the Israelis are sending, one day they are willing to accept a Jordan/West Bank federation, the other they do not recognize the west bank as occupied territory (neither did the U.S, ""the honest brocker"") (details of the killings omitted, PLO,Hamas graffiti both claim responsability) Now don't tell me that this could not be an Israeli spy. We will know later. ********************************* Now the UPI shows its ugly face once and for all. USUALLY? It happened once this year, once last year. out of possibly thousands or more. Man how low can you get.",talk.politics.mideast 3870," Surprise, surprise. I sure didn't lose any sleep over it, and I live there. Suppose someone said that he was sure that he would return from death, in glory and power, flying in the clouds with the host of heaven,soon, within the lifetimes of those then standing with him - and 2000 years went by without any such event. [He also asserted, so they say, himself to be God.] 2 questions: 1) Is that one of those ""false prophecies"" you were talking about? 2) Does that make the speaker a false prophet? Uhh, Has it occurred to you that there is no way to know any of these things, for certain, ""without the tiniest shadow of a doubt""? That people who thought they did have also been deluded? Those of us who believe in actually being able to _CHECK_ our opinions have an out - we can check against some external reality. Those who assert that beliefs entertained without evidence, or even despite evidence have a special virtue (ie. ""faith"") are out of luck -- and this is the result. You want to demonstrate Christian honesty? Great. Start with the prophecy above - what can we conclude about the speaker?",soc.religion.christian 3871,Another factor against bringing the HST back to Earth is risk of contamination.,sci.space 3872," Oh are we Jill? Let me tell you a story then... One evening not long in this country a man, a parolee, a convicted KNOWN violent crimminal lead police on high speed chase after breaking another law. He decided that police had no right to do their jobs and enforce the law and assualted two of while attempting to resist arrest. When police use metal sticks to force him into submission we heard all the reason why certain people in this country have and excuse when they refuse to obey the law, how this was a perfect example of police oppression, how all the police had to do was behave a certain way and all would have been finei, how nothing the victim did could have possibly warranted the response - some blows with a few sticks - he got from the authorities. Funny, how when it's Bloodbath Billy or his hitwench calling the shots, a group of people who were bothering no one, were not know to have broken any law, who asked only that they be left alone to practice their religion as they fit, how it is now that the government is justified in assualting those people with 100 heavily armed commandos simply because the gun grabbers in DC thought these people had more guns thay they thought they should have. Now when it's the Clinton administration that has the blood of dozens on its hand AAAALL of a sudden it's the people who refused to have their civil rights violated, it's their fault, those evil fanatics provoked it... How is it in the mind of the liberal Democrat-Clinton supporter that a crimminal puke, scum bag, piece of garbage like Rodney King could not have possibly provoked the beating he got, but this bunch of wierdos could cause a fifty one day stand off that ended with the burning deaths of all of them and their children, all by themselves with no help from the the police. And to here people say they deserved what they got, to hear Clinton say the blame rest solely with Koresch, what a cowardly piece of work that man has shown, again, himself to be. WE'RE blaming the right people. It is you and others that defend ANY of the actions of the BATF, FBI or Justice Department in this matter, that with each word prove again and again the depth of the hypocrisy, the double standard that people like the Clintons would hold certain Americans to. While at the same time allowing others to do as they please with only excuses to offer their victims. It's all to clear these days, from the comments of the ""president"" and the rationalizations of his supporters in these groups, that in a liberal Democratic vision of America only a certain select few people can expect to have civil rights enforced, and this administration intends to enforce laws, apply the Constitution and obey the laws only when it suits them to do so. The Rooster WARNING! By order of Heir Clinton and for your own personal safety: Remember to maintain membership in ONLY BATF approved religious organizations. BATF approved religious services. ",talk.politics.misc 3873," That's what MCI Mail is for! (CompuServe also has ""CongressGrams"" (TM).) This is not intended as an advertisement; that really is what MCI Mail WAS intended for (according to their ads).",sci.crypt 3874," Cost is lower than OEM replacements and they weigh less. Also, in most instances you do not have to rejet the carburetors to get a little more performance. I replaced my OEM canister with an Ontario systems slip on. The mid-range performance is better but I also notice a slight stumble at 2-3K rpm. After talking to Kaz Yoshima, the developer and manufacturer of the slip on, he thinks I might need larger pilot, idle, jets. Was not suppose to but maybe where I live makes a difference. Altitude, barometric pressure... Anyway, besides that minor glitch, I like the slip on performance and the sound, which is louder than stock, but not loud enough to annoy folks. The Ontario slip on use some sort of sound baffling technique to reduce the sound at full throttle. Just remember, every bike is a tuned system. When you change the intake or exhaust characteristics beyond the allowable delta of the manufacturer, you may have to change other areas to compensate. Like a complete change of the exhaust system, header and muffler, changes the exhaust characteristic to the point which re-jetting is required to compensate for the new engine breathing/pumping profile. Talk with the folks who make the slip on you intend to use and ask them if they have used it on your particular bike. Check with people who have the system also to see what they think about there slip on. Also, as a last data point, in Sport Rider's first issue, did a review on a group of header and exhaust systems for the CBR600F2. They also included, as a side bar, the Ontario slip on, the Dyno showed an increase from stock of 5bhp at the rear wheel, 85 verses 91. Buyer beware, of outrageous claimed increases in horse power! It may have been true in the past, but not today!",rec.motorcycles 3875,"Hi, I am trying to compile a chart for Windows and DOS performance of local bus video card . So if you have a DX2-66V and one of the local bus video cards below, please email me your Winbench 3.11 and 3dbench(obtainable in ftp.wustl.edu, pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS) scores. Please give me Winmark score at 800x600x256 and 800x600x64K. I will post the chart if enough response if received. Tseng ET-4000/W32 VLB CL 5426 VLB S3 805/928 based local bus card. ATI Ultra Pro VLB Orchid Celsius 9000 VLB AGX based VLB cards(do they exist?) Matox MGA based video cards",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3876,"As quoted from by nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle): What laws did they circumvent? Being ""frightening"" isn't a crime. Some people are afraid of young Black males. That doesn't make the mere status of being a young Black male a crime. The BATF itself admitted leading off by throwing handgrenades. There is no evidence that they properly identified themselves as law enforcement personnel. Under those circumstances, other persons have been found to be acting within their legal rights to exercise self defense against unidentified armed intruders. The charges are irrlevant anyway, since the BATF has absolutely no jurisdiction in such matters anyway. Of course that hasn't stopped them from making other such spurious charges, such as the existence of mythical ""meth labs"". Of course they whole ""cult"" thing indicates the level of contempt that they have for the 1st amendment. That armed resistance, at least initially, may well have been LEGAL. ",talk.politics.guns 3877," Believe Bugatti's coming(has) out one. Something like 4 turbos and mucho macho HP. One cool price too, as i heard. At any rate, the point is, i'm pretty sure there is, indeed, one in production... tho rather limited..",rec.autos 3878," I think it was a typo for ""Karelian photography"", which is the practice of taking pictures of either Finns or Russians, depending on whom one asks.",sci.med 3879," Or perhaps you write a freely available, GPLed unix for commonly available computer platforms (i386/i486 machines) and become a catalyst for a major netwide project which produces a better unix-like os than many commercial counterparts (see comp.os.linux for details). Or maybe you found a Legue for Programming Freedom to fight restrictive litigation and software patenting practices, thereby protecting the creative freedom so vital to continuing progress in our field. Or maybe you start up a gnu project, and produce by far and away the best c/c++ compiler for unix there is, not to mention other valuable utilities. Some hackers make significant contributions without selling out their ideals. As for Bill Gates, after pawning of grossly inferior software onto the PC market for ten years, if he ever was a hacker, he deserves to have his name eradicated from the Annals of Computer Hackery. As for me, I like running linux+X+countless other packages, without paying a dime. On the other hand, I have no problem purchasing motif or other good software, as long as Microsoft hasn't fouled it with their inept input. My 2 cents worth, flames will be patiently ignored. :-) Jean. -- Jean Liddle Computer Science, Illinois State University e-mail: jliddle@ilstu.edu ",comp.graphics 3880,"... ... ... ""Why don't you kill him Beav"" ""Well...I dunnow Eddie...I might get in trouble"" ""Here's a gun Beav, shoot him, Beav"" ""Well...ok Eddie"" BLAM BLAM",rec.sport.hockey 3881,"Last night I tried to reinstall the utilities from the Windows 3.1 Resource Kit disk. The setup program appeared to run perfectly normally, but when it had finished, there was no Program Group created. Now, I know I've done this before successfully, and creating a group myself didn't exactly tax me, but I'm curious as to what might be going on. I can only assume that something left over from the last time I had it installed is getting in the way, but I can't figure out what. Any clues, anyone? -- ",comp.os.ms-windows.misc 3882," : : : : Hello, : : Just one quick question: : : My father has had a back problem for a long time and doctors : : have diagnosed an operation is needed. Since he lives down in : : Mexico, he wants to know if there is a hospital anywhere in : : the United States particulary famous for this kind of surgery, : : kind of like Houston has a reputation for excellent doctors : : in eye surgery. Any additional info or pointers will be : : appreciated a whole lot!... : There is one hospital that is here in New York City that is famous for its : orthopedists, namely the Hospital for Special Surgery. They are located on : the upper east side of manhattan. If you want their address and phone let : me know, i'll get them, i dont know them off hand. for those who are interested the hospitals i was referring to are: The Hospital for Special Surgery 535 East 70th Street New York, NY 10021 212-606-1555 (Physician Referral Service & info) The Hospital for Joint Diseases 301 East 17th Street New York, NY 10003 212-598-7600 ",sci.med 3883," Yes, weightlessness does feel like falling. It may feel strange at first, but the body does adjust. The feeling is not too different from that of sky diving. ",sci.space 3884," What does Saturday Night Live have to do with anything? When they make fun of someone they do it with a little bit of creativity and talent. You, on the other hand, have a complete lack of creativity, talent, and verbal mechanics. And if you think that SNL is culture, then it just shows where your intellectual level is. Granted. Only in part. Let's not forget that Nixon personally authorized the break-in of Ellsberg's psychiatrist. Tell that to the House. That WAS the charge. Or are you going to challenge me on that as well? Subverting the constitutional rights of citizens has nothing to do with covering-up for Watergate. You have been proved wrong, again. But I don't expect you to believe this since your arrogance has replaced your reason. Granted. Wrong again. You forgot about Ellsberg. This would be funny, if it weren't so sad that you actually believe this. In his ""loyalty"" he allowed the people who worked for him to take the rap, while he idly sat by and let it happen. If he REALLY was loyal to the people who worked for them, he would have pardoned them before he resigned. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Death to all modifiers, he declared one day, and out of Garrett Johnson every letter that passed through his hands went every Garrett@Ingres.com adverb and adjective. The next day he made war on articles. The following day he blacked out everything in the letters but ""a"", ""an"", and ""the"". - Joseph Heller's Catch-22",talk.politics.misc 3885,"Your list of Jewish ballplayers includes Levi Samuel Meyerle (son of Jacob and Margaret Meyerle). Although that sounds like a Jewish name, Meyerle's ""surviving relatives"" say he wasn't Jewish, according to ""Nineteenth Century Stars,"" published by SABR in 1989. Incidentally, ""Long Levi"" (he was 6-foot-1) batted .492 in the first season of the National Association, the first pro league. Needless to say, he hasn't been topped yet. (Of course, the NA is not considered a ""major"" league by officialdom.) Over five seasons, Meyerle hit .368 in the NA. He also played for the first three seasons of the NL, hitting .329. -- -------------------------- Phil Brown | aka pb6755@csc.albany.edu |",rec.sport.baseball 3886," [stuff deleted] I think this goes along with a comment you made in an earlier post - namely, Quinn taking advantage of a major league bonehead for a GM in St. Louis. This trade was an absolutely stupid trade for St. Louis, and it was not the only stupid trade that this guy made. We can give Quinn credit for being an opportunist here. [stuff about other trades deleted] How do you figure? Both Vancouver and Detroit did the same thing last year: They both won their division, they had close to the same number of points, they both went down 3-1 in the first round of the playoffs before finally escaping in 7 games, and they both got knocked out in the second round by teams they should have been able to beat, with less talent. (Specifically, if I remember correctly, third place teams). How does this make Vancouver more improved? Further, if I'm not mistaken, the Wings had more points than Vancouver at the end of this season (albeit not many). ",rec.sport.hockey 3887,"I have a Always IN-2000 SCSI card for sale w/manuals, software, and cables. Make your best offer on this...",comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 3888," I'd get the IIci. It's more expandable, just as fast, and preserves the option to run System 6. David Gutierrez drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu",comp.sys.mac.hardware 3889,"by the way ms. olmstead dna is not degraded in the stomach nor under pH of 2. its degraded in the duodenum under approx. neutral pH by DNAase enzymes secreted by the pancreas. my point: check your facts before yelling at other people for not doing so. just a friendly suggestion. ",sci.med 3890,"I was skimming through a few gophers and bumped into one at NIH with a database that included images in .GIF format. While I have not yet worked out the kinks of getting the gopher client to call an X viewer, I figure that the majority of the users here are not in an X11 environment - instead using DOS and MS-Kermit. With Kermit supporting Tek4010 emulation for graphics display, does anyone know of a package that would allow a Tek to display a .GIF image? It would be of more use to the local population to plug something of this sort in as the 'picture' command instead of XView or XLoadImage ...",comp.graphics 3891," I've had neither a baby nor a kidney stone, but according to my aunt, who has had plenty of both, a kidney stone is worse. ",sci.med 3892,"When attempting to connect to an SGI Indigo from a PC clone using a commercial X windows emulation package, the X package hangs in a pre-login X screen mode. The login box won't display. Using the package in 'telnet' mode, I can logon to the SGI, and run any none graphic type things. On the PC I get an error: ""Read error 0 on socket 1"" (raw socket error) On the SGI, in xdm-errors: I get a termination error when I kill the stalled screen on the PC On the SGI, in SYSLOG: