I don't think you get it.  You and AE proponents in this chatroom are so busy selling/arguing continued buy-in for wind power and alternative energy, that you've lost sight of the fact that none of it makes commercial sense.   What "argument" of mine are you talking about?  That wind doesn't pay for itself without subsidies from taxpayers?  Or that wind is of little use for fueling clinker furnaces or steel foundries?  or that Wind will leave end-of-life debris, just like all energy infrastructure?...or are you still caught up on coal volumes required to produce 1 turbine pedestal?    I think Winbourne finally stated what I wanted to hear- that Wind Power is subsidized, and subsidies end in 2018.  Great.  Case closed.  And God speed to ya, as wind power grows under it's own non-subsidized commercial viability after 2018.  If it doesn't grow, then liquidate it to your investors, or starve it of further cash.  We're done now--and I'm moving on.

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