CTC Language Finetuning convergence 
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name: stale

**Describe the bug**

CTC finetuning is not converging I tried to change hyperparameters, but still there is no luck. During training the model started to output empty strings.



**Expected behavior**
 
expected to converge for new language (I was simply following the tutorial given).
https://github.com/NVIDIA/NeMo/blob/main/tutorials/asr/ASR_CTC_Language_Finetuning.ipynb

**Environment overview **

 - Environment location: conda environment
 - Method of NeMo install: python -m pip install git+https://github.com/NVIDIA/NeMo.git@main #egg=nemo_toolkit[all]


**Environment details**

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GPU: Tesla V100


Its a very old model, I would recommend you to try with Fast Conformer. 
@titu1994 Few notebooks are based on quartznet architecture, we need to update them to use FastConformer! 

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