R&R,  Some of these folks refer to themselves "militant defenders of the faith" and are 'at war' with anyone who doesn't agree with them.  One of their websites uses the word 'militant' to define themselves as a group.   They come here to fight.   Which brings us to how they wage their war: strident --  harsh, insistent, and discordant.   It is what it is...  it's their modus operandi in the name of the Lord.  They denigrate NCR and anyone they view as "not real Catholics" because they have a brain and use it to think.    You cannot have a dialogue of any sort with these militants because they are convinced only *they* have the capital-T truth.   There is nothing uncivil about pointing out that behavior as being a big part of the problem.    If you missed seeing these behaviors then you haven't been paying attention.