Lo chiamano CL sopratutto in Italia (per ragioni ortografiche), ci ele, cosi. Pero cmq questo non era il punto. I'm also not questioning your experience. I am just saying it's not preferable to judge from afar. Anyway, I am proving my own point because comment boards are the the most superficial place ever. I am only doing this because I love what MSW wrote, found it helpful and thought it might be helpful to respond to your critique by appealing to time and a consistent relationship of engagement with a group that is clearly serious and worth engaging. Wasn't meant to be an attack!