Definition same_constructive_silhouette {A} {JOIN: Join A} (a b: A) :=
    forall c, (constructive_joins c a -> constructive_joins c b) *
                 (constructive_joins c b -> constructive_joins c a).Definition sub_constructive_silhouette {A} {JOIN: Join A}  (a b: A) :=
    forall c, constructive_joins c b -> constructive_joins c a.

Lemma join_constructive_join_sub2 {A} {JA: Join A}{PA: Perm_alg A}: forall {a b c}, join a b c -> constructive_join_sub b c.