piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 11:02:55+00:00): We a re doing like in reality. End of discussion.
opened by jared_25 (2026-07-26 00:36:35+00:00): OSM Wiki: a highway link should only be drawn alongside the main highway when physically separated from it, with the link starting or ending at the theoretical gore point (where the lanes diverge). Lane change restrictions (like solid lines) preceding links should be mapped using change:lanes=*.
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 11:02:04+00:00): We a re doing like in reality. End of discussion.
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 11:02:01+00:00): We a re doing like in reality. End of discussion.
opened by jared_25 (2026-07-26 00:36:36+00:00): OSM Wiki: Roads are not to be mapped as dual carriageways if the two directions are only separated - by paint. This includes single or multiple painted centre lines[1], hatched areas, channelized turn lanes[2], two-way turn lanes[2], - by flush medians[3], - or by any other means that is not a physical barrier to vehicles.
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 11:03:02+00:00): We a re doing like in reality. End of discussion.
opened by jared_25 (2026-07-26 00:36:37+00:00): OSM Wiki: a highway link should only be drawn alongside the main highway when physically separated from it, with the link starting or ending at the theoretical gore point (where the lanes diverge). Lane change restrictions (like solid lines) preceding links should be mapped using change:lanes=*.
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 11:02:58+00:00): We a re doing like in reality. End of discussion.
opened by derjesusvonwish (2026-07-26 00:37:42+00:00): "Das ist tatsächlich ein Straßenbahntunnel, kein Eisenbahntunnel. Aber ja er ist Stillgelegt."
OSM snapshot date: 2026-06-03T15:31:04Z
POI has no name
POI types: railway-disused-tunnel
 #CoMaps android 2026.06.05-11-Google
closed by map per (2026-07-26 12:10:41+00:00): Danke, aber in den OpenStreetMap Daten ist es schon richtig als disused:railway=tram eingetragen (vgl. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/165727528). Der Kartenstil von CoMaps unterscheidet einfach nur nicht zwischen stillgelegen regulären und Straßenbahn Gleisen.
opened by torbeni (2026-07-26 00:38:06+00:00): This place does not exist:
"sliders er lukket jvf. deres hjemmeside logoer fjernet fra facade"
A CoMaps user reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground.
OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-21T20:05:09Z
POI name: Sliders
POI types: amenity toilets-yes wheelchair-yes cuisine-burger amenity-restaurant
 #CoMaps android 2026.07.16-10-FDroid
closed by Linus W Frische (2026-07-31 09:46:46+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186695603
opened by jared_25 (2026-07-26 00:40:56+00:00): oneway
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 11:02:47+00:00): We a re doing like in reality. End of discussion.
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 11:14:14+00:00): Can you explain how reality doesn't make that a oneway?
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 12:29:03+00:00): We will not do separate lenae for that. There is nothing missing.  have a look at google maps... Do they have separate lanes there ?
reopened by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 12:30:38+00:00): and for example, here has a more strict edit about what you are asking to do.   Separate lanes needs to have a big distamce between them , not less than 1m .
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 12:36:46+00:00): It's not about distance. It's about physical barriers for cars.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Dual_carriageway
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 12:39:10+00:00): Bro, Here Maps, TomTom and Google will never do that shit. Nothing to do with the functionality.
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 12:46:23+00:00): That is not a valid point because what google and tomtom do isn't relevant. OSM has its own standards. Just leave it for someone else to fix. Thank you. The functionality being roughly fine is true but it's still mapped wrong.
opened by jared_25 (2026-07-26 00:40:56+00:00): road missing
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 11:02:07+00:00): We a re doing like in reality. End of discussion.
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 11:12:52+00:00): The reality is that there is a road missing there. Did you look at the imagery?
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 12:28:59+00:00): We will not do separate lenae for that. There is nothing missing.  have a look at google maps... Do they have separate lanes there ?
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 12:35:25+00:00): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Dual_carriageway

What google maps did would be wrong in OSM here.
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 12:38:18+00:00): Bro, stop it. End of discusion
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 12:42:59+00:00): The wiki disagrees with you. Please first explain why distance matters and physical barriers don't and then close the issue. Thank you. If you personally don't want to fix it, leave it for someone else.
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 12:48:04+00:00): distannce of barrier, wide of the road, etc...   Keep in mind that some of us , worked for year in the past including field survey. I think, we know better than you.  Not every time , details are better and smarter choice .   Let's not make coimpelx things where it does not worth it, and don't give a real fucntionality.  It's a simple junction, not an important one.   It will not give you better view or perspective while driving....  Wiki is a database. But every country main editors can make stuff  using their own rules, but keeping routing functionality
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 12:50:05+00:00): Some of us worked for Here Maps, including Car Field Survey.   Sory for wrong typing.  Autocorrect problems.  And we are in close connection with TomTom now
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 12:55:35+00:00): The complexity would not increase because including that missing lane would make the longer continuation of the two motorway_links on the outside unnecessary. And also, why is complexity relevant? It should just be truth and following the wiki. It's just not a good idea for everyone to map in whatever way they like. OSM should be consistent and the wiki helps with that. I don't deny your competence. I'm not saying anything about you personally. It's just data consistency and following the wiki.
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 12:57:03+00:00): Bro wiki is a general rule. This is not 100% used in every country . Every country hase their own rules, folowed by the comunity that aproved them.  I refer to the main editors and maintainers of the map .
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 12:59:13+00:00): Yes, countries are allowed to differ, but Romania does not have a separate rule on this. If the wiki is not 100 % mandatory, it is also not mandatory to map it in this simplified way either.
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 13:02:38+00:00): You don't know. We have Romanian Channels for disscutions ;) :))

You think, but should you think that you can't be right all the time.  We have rules in Romania... I you should you think that If I'm a editor from 2012, I know better than you .   It's a known fact, and not something you can think ;)
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 13:17:35+00:00): I'm on those channels. :)) I absolutely could be wrong about anything, but I just want more than the claim that I am wrong and reasons that don't matter in the wiki and contradict the wiki. Mapping in Romania cannot depend on the possbility of a hypothetical message in a group chat 7 years ago. Can you seriously give me the timestamp of the messages when it was discussed that physical barriers should not separate the roads? On roundabouts they are separate so that can't be the rule. Or are you just referencing the channels because it's hard for me to find the specific info there? :)) In OSM it's not about authority, its about truth, reasoning, consensus and the wiki. :)
commented by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 13:23:23+00:00): Bro, you are just going all the time with wiki.  Wiki is a general rule. But every country has their detailed rules and we follow them. Never had an issue, and you are the only one, you want to not obey country rules.. Do you have any mental problems or what ? I don';t want  to offend anyone, but you are a little bit stuborn.. For me it's simple to make that change...  The problem is not on my side, it's on yours.   We have many disscutions oin github regarding a lot of stuff in OSM, sometimes we didn't started new topics, and we talked about a lot of things in one topic.  We had meetings in Bucharest and in other parts of Romania, and even he had mapping partyes, with field survey.
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 14:28:40+00:00): Learn how to ask, not to impose something by wasting others time. It's a difference between wiki general rules, and OSM coutry community rules.
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 14:39:44+00:00): You cannot provide any evidence that Romania has its own rules on this specific issue. It is very unlikely that it does, because usually it is mapped separately when you have any type of barriers in the middle. A mere claim is not enough to nullify the OSM wiki. I'm happy to consider any Romania-specific forum discussion you can point me to. I can't find anything like that.
closed by rarad74 (2026-07-26 14:51:28+00:00): No one here owes you an explanation. No one is obliged to provide one. Ultimately, we can simply say we edited it that way because we felt like it. Using Wikipedia isn't mandatory. Work here is based on experience and rules established either tacitly among editors or through discussions on specific forums. For the last time, mind your own business and back off; we don't have to explain ourselves to you. You probably aren't even from Romania. Rules can be applied differently in different countries. Ultimately, if you aren't happy with it, you are free to stop using this map and use a different navigation app instead.
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 15:06:59+00:00): The issue with the idea of not owing an explanation is that you can claim unsubstantiated things and make up rules and when asked to give sources, you can always excuse those sources not existing by saying that you don't owe it to provide them. I can do it right now: I can claim that I have some sources about the Romanian mapping standard being to separate when there is physical separation and that there is consensus on it. Now what? How do we decide who is right without sources? If using the wiki is not mandatory, it is also not mandatory to draw this intersection how it's currently drawn, cuts both ways. We need something to appeal to when there is disagreement. That's what the wiki is for. And the wiki agrees with me, not with you. And it's an is–ought fallacy to think that how it organically developed is how it should be, when that could have been based on people not following the wiki and just doing it with common sense. It's okay to refine later. Rules can be different by country but it's generally discouraged and more importantly, not a shred of evidence has been given that this particular rule is different at all in Romania, just ipse dixit claims.
closed by rarad74 (2026-07-26 15:11:04+00:00): Here are big companies like Apple, Tomtom, Facebook and Kaart which folow the same rules country by country. What are you going to do? Are you going to scold them, too? From 2009 until now, we haven't had to give embarrassing explanations to anyone—unlike now, when I’ve provided them to you out of goodwill far too many times. So... Goodbye!
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 15:16:04+00:00): Are you under the impression that those companies gave some sort of official stamp of quality approval of the entire OSM database in Romania? I literally witnessed someone from TomTom separating a road because of barriers in the middle, like a couple weeks ago.
closed by woodpeck (2026-07-27 09:55:52+00:00): Dear GabrielSebastianMoise, rarad74 - I can see how you're pissed off when someone adds hundreds of notes across the country about you "doing it wrong". That wasn't very clever of jared_25, and I think this matter should have been approached differently. 

On the other hand, in general mappers *do* own each other explanations - or if you can't explain why something should be done in a certain way you can't complain if someone else than changes it.

It is true that many communities in OSM have meanwhile switched over to a model where the motorway_link only starts at the point where the physical separation starts, for example near me in Germany: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/48.968052/8.427616. That doesn't mean that the Romanian community is doing it wrong, or old-fashioned, or outdated; though it might make sense to at least talk about why this change has been done elsewhere.

jared_25 has opened a forum post here https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/romania-standardizing-highway-link-geometry-at-gore-points-for-improved-lane-guidance-and-routing/145788 and I would like to invite you to participate in that discussion. There isn't yet a sub forum for Romania on the site, so maybe it will be difficult to attract many Romanian mappers to the discussion but we could try - maybe you could share the link on Telegram or whereever else Romanian mappers discuss issues. It would be good if the community could find a consensus in this.

I understand that jared_25 has offended quite a few people with his approach, but I think you have offended him back in this note discussion so maybe we could call it even and try to have a factual discussion.
commented by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-28 02:51:30+00:00): Hi woodpeck, glad to chat with you again. We haven't talked from 24th Aprin 2014  from the "sorein" incident. We did not had any conflict from then , till now.  Now, the problem is as simple it seems, the more complicated became when you dig deeper. So..... the problem now, is we are sick and tired for this bullshit like in this case. Some young or teenager, that is acting like an AI Bot, and 25, is not his day of birth, and it's from his age, to tell us how bad our work is, and how we did not followed Wiki Rules. Wiki is a reference, not an "enforced" or a "must do like this" way. So I'm a OSM Mapper from 2012, Razvan as well, Viorel who did a very good, hard and incredible work with detailed buildings in a short time, and now the very foundation of Romanian Map ( Francisc Toth, Andrei Cipu, Strainu, Alex Morega, Florin Badita, Michael Hackel, Edy Petrisor, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft, Cristian Draghici, and maybe others that I can't remember now ), is telling us that we all made a lot of things wrong. Who he think he is ? Let me be clear. That "Idiot" Rarad ( Razvan), I think is the only one that almost every day is checking the History of Romanian Edits, and is trying to keep an eye for vandalism, for bad edits made by mistake, or others who do not know how to map somethings, and is in touch with those who respond to his messages. Kaart Team was making edits in Romania, and they made very bad ones, on major roads in my area, because they were using sattelite imagery rather than field survey,  and they didn't know how old they were. I spoke to them and they agreed with me. There is no MAP that overall to be more than 60% accurate, and will never be. Is very hard to mantain. Me and Rarad, we were hired by Here Maps, to work with them. Rarad also was driving the car on the Southern and Eastern part of Romania, to collect data from the field. We had Special Priviledges on the Map Editor.
commented by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-28 02:52:59+00:00): Our OSM Romanian edits on the map, are almost identical with most the same kind of edits from other Countries . Now we are working closely with TomTom, that is usind different layers from OSM Data, for TomTom Android Navigation App. Everything jared pointed , is working with no issue, in more than 80% of navigation apps that are using OSM Data. Some notes were good and a lot more with "nonsense".  OSMAnd is the only app , that knows and uses a lot of "wiki tagging" , that where is needed, is inserted into the map data.  The rest, they don't use, and don't know the most majority of tagging, even the simple one like surface quality for different paving types. A long time ago, someone was making some edits on major roads in our Country, and make a big mess in navigation apps routing, because OSM is using to many road types and categories, than Here Maps, TomTom or Google does. Some navigation apps, are using the same routing engine, for payed and non payed maps( TomTom and OSM), like MapFactor does for an example, and there are one or two more apps that does the same thing. They way jared_25 tried to imposed here is dissrespectfull, because I'm not hired by the OSM, and I was using my car, my money, my devices, and my time to go on field survey when needed in different part of our country, and I will not let someone to pee on me, on the others, and on our hard work.  There was no one till now to tell us how bad our work is , and how we don not stick by the wiki. All those years I choose to stay away from discussions, and only talked with the "Elders" and went on the mapping parties and we talked about how things shouled  be made and how to correct , etc. Now I will ask DWG to chose wisely, because now I'm pissed off about how things turns here . For me and a couple more people that made a huge difference in Romania Map, to forward a legal notice to ask OSM Project to delete every work we made , and every change we've made on this map.
commented by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-28 02:53:26+00:00): Because we did that as a hobby, never received nothing from anyone, and is still our work and data. And if we receive this "shit" from some like jared, we will want to show how Romanian Map will look without our data. And let's be honest... more than 80% of our travel , is made using Waze and Google, because of Live traffic, and live re-routing base on traffic support from those apps. DWG has the tools to see all our edits and work in a detailed way, and can figure it out how much work and hours we spent for OSM Project.  So we can live wihout OSM. Now it's time to choose between guys like jared and his way of asking or imposing something, or those one , the heavy work and mainteiners ones of the map. If jared would have been on Here Maps mapping training classes, we ould never asked why and how to put separate lanes on a road. Like he wants, by the book.  Like G-Man said in Half Life:  It's time to choose !  :))
A lot more can be said, but beter to talk in private. WoodPeck, if needed I can give you my phone number on private messages to talk straight and live on whatsapp or any other platform you wish.  Have a great day everyone !
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-28 07:12:30+00:00): I apologize for creating so many notes. In hindsight that's clearly the wrong approach because the highway links aren't like that in just one place so I should have expected opposition and tried consensus building first. So I totally apologize. It was a mistake. I just assumed everyone will instantly agree because I just posted wiki text and we can just start correcting it and that my notes would help find all the places where it's like that. Sorry. I also didn't think of my notes as representing disagreement with very experienced mappers like you GabrielSebastianMoise. I just thought of them as pointing out an inaccuracy to everyone who might want to fix it. So sorry if it came across like that. I totally acknowledge your experience, your expertise, your involvement and competence. I am just a random guy, yeah, I have no right to think I know better and no right to piss off people who contribute to such a major extent as you by creating so many identical notes. I hope we can forget about me. So I really really hope you'll continue mapping. Sorry man!

GabrielSebastianMoise, what do you think about all the usual arguments for separation at gore point?

- OSM and navigation apps knowing about and expecting lane information and lane change restrictions
- An OSM highway representing the entire highway and not single lanes (except when barriers)
- Gore point separation representing the sort of broad physics of the physical separation instead of lane markings
- The OSM wiki in some sense already being mostly a result of consensus
- That OSM mostly should be internationally similar so that developers don't need to tailor things to each country (things like voice navigation saying you need to exit right now when the last chance would be later)
- Repeated consensus: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/poll-road-and-link-geometry-when-turn-lanes-continue-into-links/142131

I want agreement with you.
opened by jared_25 (2026-07-26 00:40:57+00:00): two carriageways (roads in each direction) that are physically divided by a non-road barrier, median, or other obstacle.
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 11:02:40+00:00): We a re doing like in reality. End of discussion.
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 11:13:33+00:00): The roads are physically divided in the middle, look at the imagery.
closed by GabrielSebastianMoise (2026-07-26 12:29:11+00:00): We will not do separate lenae for that. There is nothing missing.  have a look at google maps... Do they have separate lanes there ?
commented by jared_25 (2026-07-26 12:47:38+00:00): Please follow the wiki and ignore google maps. Thank you.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Dual_carriageway
opened by  (2026-07-26 00:41:09+00:00): Ndiaguène Ouolof (également orthographié Ndiaguène Wolof ou Ndiaghene) est une localité située dans le nord-ouest du Sénégal.
​Histoire et fondation
​Le village aurait été fondé vers les années 1930, à la suite de la fusion du village de Diaguène (famille Diack) et de celui de Mbaye Mbaye (famille Diagne).
​Éducation et santé
​Éducation : Le village abrite une école coranique ainsi qu'une école élémentaire créée en 1997. Cette dernière compte aujourd'hui deux salles de classe, un enseignant et près de 50 élèves.
​Santé : La localité dispose d'un poste de santé.
​Sports et culture
​Le football et la lutte sont les principales activités sportives pratiquées à Ndiaguène Ouolof. Pour le football, l'équipe locale porte le nom d'ASC Discipline de Ndiaguène.
​Personnalités liées
​Pape Fall : Homme politique sénégalais né à Ndiaguène Ouolof. Il a été le bras droit de feu Cheikh Birahime Diagne, figure politique majeure et premier maire de la commune de Sakal. Personnalité très influente, Pape Fall a également joué un rôle déterminant dans l'implantation solide de l'ONG Plan International dans la région du Ndiambour (Louga).
closed by AmfSN (2026-07-26 00:41:57+00:00): Ndiaguène Ouolof (également orthographié Ndiaguène Wolof ou Ndiaghene) est une localité située dans le nord-ouest du Sénégal.
​Histoire et fondation
​Le village aurait été fondé vers les années 1930, à la suite de la fusion du village de Diaguène (famille Diack) et de celui de Mbaye Mbaye (famille Diagne).
​Éducation et santé
​Éducation : Le village abrite une école coranique ainsi qu'une école élémentaire créée en 1997. Cette dernière compte aujourd'hui deux salles de classe, un enseignant et près de 50 élèves.
​Santé : La localité dispose d'un poste de santé.
​Sports et culture
​Le football et la lutte sont les principales activités sportives pratiquées à Ndiaguène Ouolof. Pour le football, l'équipe locale porte le nom d'ASC Discipline de Ndiaguène.
​Personnalités liées
​Pape Fall : Homme politique sénégalais né à Ndiaguène Ouolof. Il a été le bras droit de feu Cheikh Birahime Diagne, figure politique majeure et premier maire de la commune de Sakal. Personnalité très influente, Pape Fall a également joué un rôle déterminant dans l'implantation solide de l'ONG Plan International dans la région du Ndiambour (Louga).
opened by derjesusvonwish (2026-07-26 00:41:57+00:00): This place does not exist:
"Der Club hat bereits seit 2020 für immer zu gemacht:("
A CoMaps user reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground.
OSM snapshot date: 2026-06-03T15:31:04Z
POI name: Loft Club
POI types: wheelchair-no amenity-nightclub
 #CoMaps android 2026.06.05-11-Google