piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
freeExec (2023-12-07 16:15:23+00:00): Да, хочу уточнить, что речь только про стрелку, на другой главный путь. Естественно боковой путь, вдоль главного пути не нужно дублировать.
mavl (2023-12-07 16:19:01+00:00): В этом пакете правок не этот случай. Здесь одно направление.
freeExec (2023-12-07 16:19:11+00:00): В противном случае получается, что если у нас есть главные пути А-В-С и В-Е и на станции В не стрелке нет usage, то получится, что это два разрозненных пути ни как не связанные.
freeExec (2023-12-07 16:32:37+00:00): Согласен, на указанной линии в первом комментарии не нужен. Собственно и маршрут не должен на неё заворачивать и должен идти по главному пути через станцию. (Каюсь, не полностью вник в проблему)
mavl (2023-12-07 16:39:12+00:00): Согласен про несколько главных направлений.
flohoff (2023-12-06 23:35:25+00:00): Moin,
du hast hier eine Fußgängerampel eingetragen als highway=traffic_signals - Das ist meine ich falsch. 

Das müsste ein highway=crossing + crossing=traffic_signals sein.

Der unterschied ist das erster im routing mit penalty eingeht obwohl typischerweise nur eine anforderungsampel, letztere jedoch im car routing nicht mit penalty einher geht.

Deshalb ist hier u.a. jetzt das routing geschwenkt weil die Ampel ein penalty einführt.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/261570271

Flo
flohoff (2023-12-06 23:38:33+00:00): Ah quatsch - vermutlich war das penalty nicht schuld sondern das lane_markings=no auf dem offelter weg. 

Ich hatte da schon dran gebastelt um Verkehr auf die K80 zu bekommen aber das Südlichste Stück Offelter Dorfstraße ist halt so eng das ich mit dem Umweg über den Offelter Weg so semi zufrieden war. 

Jetzt ist es auf B65 + Offelter Dorfstraße geschwenkt. Vermutlich weil der Offelter Weg langsamer geworden ist (Durch das lane_markings=no) 

(Bei der Ampel bleibe ich - das sollte ein highway=crossing sein)

Hier die Routing änderung:

https://osm.zz.de/routeqa/?rid=602917,603481#52.3047,8.5082,16z
Ökkel (2023-12-07 20:10:47+00:00): Offelter Weg scheint aber auch ganz schön schmal zu sein. Die K80 hast du übrigens außerorts mit DE:urban getaggt.
flohoff (2023-12-08 07:21:14+00:00): Hola,
gut das es dir aufgefallen ist.

zone:traffic wird aktuell nirgends ausgewertet. Ich hab das mal genutzt für Simulationen von der Regelgeschwindigkeitsabsenkung - Also zone:traffic=DE:urban + maxspeed:type=DE:urban geht auf maxspeed=30 

Ich hatte mir dafür auch mal eine auswertung gebaut - Da fällt sowas irgendwann mal strategisch auf:

https://osm.zz.de/dbview/?db=wayproblems-owl&layer=zonetraffic#52.21592,8.68195,12z

Flo
emersonveenstra (2023-12-08 13:46:36+00:00): Hi there,

On https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/512811692 you added "crossing=pedestrian_signals", did you mean to add "crossing=traffic_signals"? (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:crossing%3Dtraffic_signals)
mycota (2023-12-08 22:55:09+00:00): Yes, thanks for catching that. I've fixed it.
emersonveenstra (2023-12-08 23:47:16+00:00): Thanks!
Allison P (2023-12-08 08:26:57+00:00): Please explain why you replaced building=warehouse with building=commercial. building=warehouse is more specific.
RicoElectrico (2023-12-13 16:17:12+00:00): Cześć! Zapoznaj się proszę z https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments - komentarz "drobne poprawki" jest tak ogólny, że pasuje do niemal każdej edycji. W razie pytań śmiało pisz do mnie albo na polskim forum: https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/communities/pl/40

Miłego dnia!
adejot (2024-01-15 18:00:54+00:00): Cześć, dziękuję bardzo, będę się stosował.
VLD280 (2025-02-26 00:17:06+00:00): Good afternoon ChaireMobiliteKaligrafy,

I have recently begun working on some pedestrian mapping around Montreal with a focus on pedestrian crossings, and I have a question regarding local traffic laws I was hoping you could answer for me. I have come across several crossings you added in December of 2023 (some example links included below) that don’t appear to be designated by real-world markings or infrastructure. I am curious if there is any local law or ordinance that designates pedestrian right-of-way at road intersections regardless of physical infrastructure. If that is the case, do you know of a resource I could reference to better understand the specifics? Otherwise, if these crossings are not legally or physically designated, would it be acceptable to remove them in order to improve the accuracy of the pedestrian feature network? For reference, I have been using Mapillary imagery uploaded by the user VdM (bicycle, July 2024 and car, November 2023) for my work around Montreal. Thank you in advance for any information you can provide, and happy mapping!

Isaac (VLD280)

https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/VdM?lat=45.564485399999995&lng=-73.66355600000003&z=19.9&menu=false&focus=photo&pKey=1244840703424830&x=0.6419251042086539&y=0.6190869478894332&zoom=0
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1228767169
​​https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1044389897
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1229183855
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1229183879
ChaireMobiliteKaligrafy (2025-02-26 00:55:36+00:00): I understand what you mean, but we need to keep these unmarked crossings to make pedestrian routing work. Removing them would create artifical detours in routing. In Quebec, it is legal to cross the street at any interseciton, except if there is a specific sign prohibiting it, which is very rare, so we need to add unmarked corssing when a designated one is not present.
ChaireMobiliteKaligrafy (2025-02-26 00:56:53+00:00): See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:crossing%3Dunmarked

Especially this sentence:
"In areas where sidewalks are mapped as separate geometries, it is commonly seen that every node at which a sidewalk crosses a road, an unmarked crossing is added. So this is something to look out for as data consumer, crossings tagged like this often do not have any recognizable structural measure that deserve to be called a dedicated crossing."
VLD280 (2025-02-27 23:38:47+00:00): I appreciate the fast and informative response! It is helpful to know that these crossings are legally protected in Quebec and that they are accounted for in the OSM documentation. I’ll make sure to keep your explanation in mind for any future editing I do in Quebec. For the benefit of anyone else who might look into these features, I have included some links to sections of the Quebec Highway Safety Code I found which support your explanation.

https://www.legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/document/cs/C-24.2#se:369
https://www.legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/document/cs/C-24.2#se:370
https://www.legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/document/cs/C-24.2#se:450

Thanks again for the help,
Isaac (VLD280)
user_5359 (2023-12-09 11:03:50+00:00): Hello! Please have a look on https://www.osm.org/way/1229185605. What is the mean of the tag nuil = yes?
fgouget (2023-12-10 22:38:44+00:00): Sorry. That was an autocompletion failure. I fixed it.
jnighan (2024-01-22 21:28:37+00:00): Hi, you changed highway=motorway to highway=trunk past the eastern terminus of I-384. This is not correct. In the U.S., highway=motorway is determined by physical characteristics. So, each carriageway should have highway=motorway up until it's first at-grade intersection (Bolton Notch Pond driveway on westbound, and Notch Road on eastbound.). I have fixed it.
jnighan (2024-01-22 21:28:43+00:00): Source:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Connecticut/Highway_classification
Andy__L (2024-03-28 20:48:45+00:00): Hi, what is the source for the name "Interurban Bypass"? I do not see it anywhere on signs, COB maps, or the Hundred Acre Wood master plan.
aaravtuteja (2023-12-07 03:24:04+00:00): also added a water area for lake inside Sambhal city
Hufkratzer (2024-02-27 14:33:39+00:00): Hi,
Why did you change the tagging for the three outdoor riding rings from leisure=pitch to leisure=horse_riding? According to the wiki riding rings/arenas are correctly tagged leisure=pitch + sport=equestrian. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_to_map_a#Riding_centre_(equestrian)
Codesurfer (2024-02-28 01:21:31+00:00): That was one of my first tagging efforts. I've corrected those to arenas not riding centers. Thanks.
Mateusz Konieczny (2025-03-31 12:24:59+00:00): Hello! https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11399252944/history has amenity = fixme that was added in this edit (if I checked things correctly)
What kind of object is here? Is it a shop? What kind of a shop?
Trevor_1 (2023-12-07 05:58:54+00:00): Sorry
CharliePlett (2023-12-11 21:45:10+00:00): You're forgiven.
ronaa11 (2023-12-07 04:34:13+00:00): There are immediate plans for construction. Also, I saw construction for overpasses in the area. I would respectfully recommend to undo this change. https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/transportation/2023/03/16/446445/txdot-inching-forward-on-new-highway-project-in-south-houston/#:~:text=Another%20highway%20is%20in%20the,be%20called%20State%20Highway%2035.
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CurlingMan13 (2023-12-07 04:52:47+00:00): So realistically, it ahould be tagged as "Under Cobstruction" instead, not proposed?
ronaa11 (2023-12-07 05:29:15+00:00): I would prefer yes but I am not too worried about an unfinished project.
Hufkratzer (2023-12-07 17:05:29+00:00): Hi,
Here you have a) re-tagged a riding arena to a riding center and b) tagged an indoor riding arena as another riding center. I think the previous tagging was perfectly fine. You have re-tagged some other riding arenas in a similar way (e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1228970021/history). I find that weird and am curious to know why you did that.

Web page https://www.pizazzfarm.com/facility-rentals says that the farm contains an indoor arena and an outdoor arena. Wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aleisure%3Dhorse_riding says "Use this tag only once for the whole facility, don't use it multiple times on different objects belonging to it (one feature, one OSM element rule ...)". Otherwise there will be more than one riding center on the map where in reality there is just one! Therefore I would not add this tag to the arenas but instead create a new object (area or node) for the whole farm and tag that with leisure=horse_riding. Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/842259858
Codesurfer (2024-07-28 14:27:13+00:00): Hi Hufkratzer, I just noticed this comment today. I've updated the tags. Thanks!
aTarom (2023-12-07 08:22:26+00:00): Hola, los tag "old#:name" en
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1243029171/history
no están documentados en la wiki, lo más extendido y aceptado por la comunidad veo que es
"old_name"="...;...;..."
puedes buscarlos y veras unos 224, solo en España
si creamos nuevos esquemas de etiquetas (que ya tienen el suyo en uso), sin consensuarlo con la comunidad, aumenta el trabajo de revisión, mantenimiento, ruido...

PD: el tag "image" y "wikimedia_commons", parece duplicidad por apuntar al mismo destino?

Saludos
Arturo Francisco Barbero (2023-12-08 18:58:10+00:00): De acuerdo
user_5359 (2023-12-12 06:46:37+00:00): Hello! Please have a look on https://www.osm.org/way/1229197686. What is the mean of the keyless way?
ms_citus (2023-12-13 07:46:49+00:00): Thanks for letting us know. We've fixed it.
MxxCon (2023-12-07 22:49:38+00:00): Hello.
Are you sure about this address?
Both, ZoLa and BIS show this building as 2880 Broadway.
https://zola.planning.nyc.gov/l/lot/1/01884/00001#18.84/40.8054805/-73.9646256
https://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/PropertyBrowseByBBLServlet?allborough=1&allblock=1884&alllot=1&go5=+GO+&requestid=0
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Allison P (2024-07-07 03:46:46+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1229199662: Prophecy?
h551w (2024-07-10 21:59:12+00:00): Gotta love how spell check doesn't work in iD. Fixed it in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/153801057
Ashok Thakulla (2023-12-07 05:12:39+00:00): please mapped carefully. Do not mapped haphazardly .
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Gescriey (2023-12-07 19:08:50+00:00): Is path is the most accurate tagging?  I don't have an official source but my on the ground impression is that motor vehicles use that way.
StreetSurveyor (2023-12-07 23:28:58+00:00): It's been a while since I've run this road. I'll adjust to a service road. Good suggestion!
Tomas Straupis (2023-12-07 06:36:09+00:00): Pakeitimai atšaukti - nesąmonės suvestos su crappy programėle.
Mateusz Konieczny (2024-03-06 16:59:47+00:00): name=Fort Bragg Outlet
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1229203190

shop=discount ? Is it shop=variety_store ? If not, how it differs from shop=variety_store? See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dvariety_store And note, not all objects mapped as shop=discount are variety stores
yvecai (2023-12-07 19:04:31+00:00): Salut, joli travail sur les pistes. Les relations n'ont plus de couleurs ?
Yves
RobMazc (2023-12-10 06:20:54+00:00): Bonjour Yves, merci ! C'est réalisé en lien avec le domaine. hmm elles devraient, vous parlez de la couleur liée au niveau de difficulté des itinéraires ?
yvecai (2023-12-10 09:00:05+00:00): Oui, en utilisant le Tag color=green etc... Sur les relations.
Je me trompe peut être mais je croyais l'avoir renseigné sur les pistes du Haut Saugeais.
Comme à la Malmaison :
https://www.opensnowmap.org/#map=14/6.395/46.935&b=snowmap&m=false&h=false
yvecai (2023-12-16 17:40:49+00:00): Du coup, savez-vous comment rajouter le Tag colour= sur les relations ? Ou alors je peux m'en occuper.
Yves
akadouri (2023-12-09 22:41:41+00:00): "loc_name"="Sauron Tower" 🤔
Stereo (2023-12-10 03:20:31+00:00): If you search for “Sauron tower Brooklyn” it’s pretty clear.
MxxCon (2023-12-07 22:53:38+00:00): Hello.
Please note that in OSM dates are always in YYYY-MM-DD format.
Also note= tag is generally intended for other mappers to see. Based on the content that you wrote it sounds like it's more suitable for description= tag.
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emersonveenstra (2023-12-08 13:44:17+00:00): Hi,

Please be careful when editing, you removed highway=motorway from https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/528363212/history, effectively deleting it from the map
phoenixsaigon1698 (2023-12-07 07:01:30+00:00): Hi bạn, sao bạn xóa các member của relation cấm rẽ trái oto thế?
MxxCon (2023-12-07 22:57:49+00:00): swimming_pool=indoor
location=indoor
indoor=yes
These tags are all kinda synonym of each other.

Also perhaps attributes of the leisure=sports_centre feature and attributes of the swimming pool itself should be separate?
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lephuc2304 (2023-12-07 04:51:21+00:00): Đúng
lephuc2304 (2023-12-07 06:25:20+00:00): Đúng
MxxCon (2023-12-07 23:01:27+00:00): What is sport=traveling_rings? OSM has 0 usage of this value.
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IraGersh (2023-12-10 05:16:37+00:00): traveling_rings is what it is. The previous value was meaningless. I suppose I need to add the value for sport?
MxxCon (2023-12-07 23:03:08+00:00): What is the purpose of including that information in note= tag? Are you trying to map it or what?
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IraGersh (2023-12-10 05:13:57+00:00): This is the value of note:
The garden has open hours where non-members can walk through the garden.
There are typical hours but if no members are there, then it really isn't open. I put that there as I didn't know any other place to put it.
czebureks (2023-12-07 05:26:35+00:00): Pomyłka w opisie - wycofano zestaw zmian #144847171; 151994772 to linia, której dotyczyła zmiana.
Baloo Uriza (2023-12-07 22:23:39+00:00): This should be noname=yes.  

Name is the name only

The names should be restricted to the name of the item in question only and should not include additional information not contained in the official name such as categories, types, descriptions, addresses, refs, or notes.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names
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Nikita Kundelev (2024-01-12 10:25:31+00:00): Hello! 
Thank you for your comment! Rolled back changes.
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impiaaa (2023-12-07 18:21:40+00:00): Welcome to OSM and thanks for your contribution! Informal names used only by the local community might better go in the "loc_name" tag, so that the proper name can stay in the "name" tag. Or, for the other way around, if the official name is rarely used by anyone, it can go in the "official_name" tag. Read more here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names
osmoj (2023-12-09 22:57:28+00:00): Hallo Robin,
deine Änderungen sehen aus meiner Sicht in Ordnung aus.
Fließt der Königsbachel wirklich im Teich auf dem Gelände der Pongs Seidenweberei GmbH zusammen?

Kleiner Tipp noch: In deinem Änderungsatz hast du noch andere kleine Änderung ohne Bezug zur Fließrichtung des Königsbachel gemacht, z.B. Gebäudegeometrien korrigiert. Wenn du diese in einen separaten Änderungssatz auslagerst, lassen sich deine eigentlichen Änderungen leichter überprüfen. ;)

Viele Grüße
tastrax (2023-12-07 22:04:52+00:00): Hi folks FYI - Phone numbers in Australia should be added to OSM according to the following format with the country code +61 x xxxx xxxx, (+61 xxx xxx xxx for mobiles) or use the phone:AU key if a 1300 or 1800 number.
For freecall numbers that work whilst overseas (ie 13 13 13) use +61 XX XX XX as per the wiki guidelines https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Australian_features .  I have just updated a recent addition that you made to OSM – Cheers
Hufkratzer (2023-12-07 16:24:07+00:00): Hi,
I see that this was only your 2nd changeset.
The area you re-tagged was previously tagged as a building, and I assume that building is still there. But the iD editor has removed the building tag because you re-tagged it as a riding center. Now it no longer shows up as a building on the map because there is no longer a building=* tag.
I also assume that Paddock Paradise consists of more than just this building. 
I therefore suggest to add the building tag again and for the whole Paddock Paradise better create a new object (area or node) . Compare
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aleisure%3Dhorse_riding
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/957096647 (good area example)
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6140383631 (node example)
Hufkratzer (2023-12-28 21:44:23+00:00): I have tried to improve it. You can correct it if necessary.
Langlaeufer (2023-12-07 12:38:48+00:00): hi andy, bei einer Einmündung halte ich only_right für besser als no_left. Das entspricht schließlich der Beschilderung in D. Ich hab das mal geändert.
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qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq (2023-12-15 21:51:10+00:00): Hi, uturn restriction should probably also be removed. Nothing prevents it I think.
Bolt050 (2024-01-04 05:18:48+00:00): Hi, I have removed the U-turn restriction that I added previously.
Tex2002ans (2024-06-12 07:35:02+00:00): Hello Lyft!

I believe this satellite imagery used for this changeset was old.

This area was being expanded/redesigned in 2022/2023.

For example, the:

- building with the "Wind Creek Bethlehem Hotel" has now been expanded far North.
- The parking lot (Way 82536509) to the N is gone, completely built-over by the building now.
- Some of the old "service ways" need to be updated/removed, since the building changed shape.

Thank you. :)
vrynkevich_lyft (2024-06-12 12:19:13+00:00): Hi, Tex2002ans ! My name is Veranika and I am a mapper in the OSM team at Lyft.
We can assure you that we use only relevant information in our work and according to the Lyft-owned aerial imagery (April-May 2024) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ObXjiYxIeExYfl0qf9UtFStl3MnTaRip/view?usp=sharing) the geometry of the roads is correct. I see that the geometry of the Wind Creek Bethlehem Hotel building has changed but the purpose of my edit was to correct road geometry, to not check the elements of the entire territory. Here you can read about our projects and mapping specifics  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lyft 
Best regards, Veranika
SekeRob (2023-12-07 07:54:31+00:00): NB: The 641 member forest MP relation needs splitting. Recommended max size is 300.
mcliquid (2023-12-10 09:49:46+00:00): Hi Lynn, why did you deleted the place-tag here?
Fizzie-DWG (2023-12-10 10:49:44+00:00): Please see https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/15476
mcliquid (2023-12-10 11:13:19+00:00): Thanks Fizzie!
OSM_RogerWilco (2023-12-08 09:53:49+00:00): Hallo user_5359,

nee, die beiden Teiche daneben heißen so. ;-)

Siehe Parkplan:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infotafel_B%C3%BCrgerpark_Dorfmark.jpg
OSM_RogerWilco (2023-12-08 09:56:56+00:00): Habe ich korrigiert.
Viele Grüße
OSM_RogerWilco (2023-12-08 09:58:11+00:00): Ach, sorry! Sehe jetzt erst, dass Du nur den typo vom tag korrigiert hast! :-)
user_5359 (2023-12-08 12:59:13+00:00): Kein Problem! Danke für das Kontrollieren mit lokalen Kenntnissen.
Frans S (2023-12-07 15:54:54+00:00): Thank you for mapping. You have correctly identified the location of most objects and mapped. However, You tend to oversize the mappings. Stay within the rooflines and do not include the shadowline.

Reminder: Please be sure to square all rectangular buildings with the Q key
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
FYI. Please view this video about common new mappers mistakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs5wX592E1o&amp;t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltn1VOiq5_0
In this document, you will find some hints and tricks which might help to expand your mapping skills.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping.
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silversurfer83 (2023-12-07 10:05:35+00:00): Gude :)

Schön, dass ihr euch selbst um eure Firma bei OSM kümmert.
Die Datenbank ist jedoch kein Ort für SEO und die "description" ist eher unpassend. VIelleicht könnt ihr Euer Angebot dort etwas präziser, gerne einfach aufzählend, formulieren.
Sonst sieht's gut aus

grüße
silversurfer83
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nolimitsforus (2023-12-07 10:29:27+00:00): Hallo @silversurfer83,

vielen Dank für den Hinweis!
Ist angepasst. :)
silversurfer83 (2023-12-07 12:13:47+00:00): Sieht gut aus :)
Danke für die schnelle Reaktion
mavl (2023-12-07 15:12:43+00:00): Здравствуйте. Опечатка в названии дороги. И это описание дороги, а не название.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1094523519
Hufkratzer (2023-12-07 15:35:58+00:00): Hi,
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1229251266 is a riding arena and not a riding centre, riding arenas should be tagged leisure=pitch + sport=equestrian

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1229251265 : a horse walker is not a riding centre either; I have never seen anyone ride in a horse walker. Tagging see wiki page.

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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aleisure%3Dhorse_riding
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:animal%3Dhorse_walker
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/144783334 (prev. discussion)
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/125002481 (good example)