piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
Marvk (2026-07-01 00:16:31+00:00): Hi DocBonsai und willkommen auf OSM!

Schön, dass du Details zu einem Haus beigetragen hast. Ich habe zwei Hinweise für dich: 

Achte gerne beim nächsten Mal darauf, bestehende Geometrie zu ändern, anstatt ein Feature zu löschen und neu zu zeichnen. OSM speichert für alle Features eine Historie, und es ist aus verschiedenen Gründen nützlich, für ein Feature die Historie zu kennen. Die Historie wird allerdings unterbrochen, wenn ein Feature komplett neu gezeichnet wird. Siehe: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Keep_the_history

Bzgl. des Tags house=reetdachhaus - das ist kein geläufiges Tag, house=* wird eher genutzt, um die Art des hauses zu beschreiben, für dieses Haus vermutlich house=detached für ein frei stehendes Einfamilienhaus. 

Dass das Haus ein Reetdach hat, kann man aber trotzdem abbilden. Hierzu kannst du das Tag roof:material=thatch nutzen. Wenn du möchtest, kannst du noch weitere Details über das Dach hinzufügen, zum Beispiel die Form, vermutlich mit roof:shape=hipped

Ich hoffe, die Tipps helfen dir weiter.

Beste Grüße
Marv
DocBonsai (2026-07-02 08:03:50+00:00): Aber sicher doch...., vielen Dank Marvk, das sind nützliche Hinweise für mich, die mir nicht bekannt waren.
woodpeck (2026-06-30 14:39:58+00:00): This changeset deletes practically the whole street network of the village, even though the streets are clearly visible on aerial imagery. Since no explanation is given for the deletion in the changeset comment ("#hotosm-project-53961 #2026_LATAM_Mapaton #mapathones_vulnerables #TomTomCares" does not say why the deletion was warranted), I am reverting this changeset fully. If you delete large amounts of data from OSM, please explain why in the changeset comment. You may use English or the language locally spoken, but do use natural language and not hashtags. They are not a good way of communicating with humans.
caprieldeluca (2026-06-30 17:34:16+00:00): Hola, gracias por contribuir al mapa. En Pringles Gas, tu changeset tiene 4 advertencias `warnings:crossing_ways:highway-highway`. El editor iD que usas tiene una sección Issues, que debes resolver antes de subir los cambios. Favor de corregirlos. - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Argentina#Contacto
pitscheplatsch (2026-06-30 15:19:24+00:00): Hi, welcome to OSM.
Is the added name real?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13978020869
blowfish84 (2026-06-30 18:24:45+00:00): Hello,
Yes it is, as this line was opened by me, unless there is a trace of previous naming of this line (but i didn't find any in topo). Why ?
pitscheplatsch (2026-07-01 06:15:09+00:00): Thanks for confirming. I asked because the name is strongly worded and I wanted to verify that it is indeed the established/intentional route name rather than vandalism or an accidental edit.
CAM-Gerlach_Repair (2026-07-02 11:21:39+00:00): Reverted series of changesets adding blatantly promotional description=* and other malformed tags to POI

https://osm.org/changeset/184969817
Frans S (2026-07-02 10:53:28+00:00): Hello. Thanks for mapping
Hi-rise or tall buildings (even with a few stories) needs a different way of drawing them than low buildings.

Please check this footage on how to map these buildings

https://youtu.be/u31wPYWkm3E?si=lDbvDutpUyZWQXXL

A more extended explanation with samples can be seen here

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roof_modelling#Drawing_at_the_roof

Additional find here a link to how to map complex situations
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Koreller/diary/404988#comment61337


Best regards
SaadR (2026-07-02 14:30:48+00:00): Thank you for the feedback, that's very useful and I'll start using this approach for any buildings with visible sidewalls going forward!
pantufla (2026-07-01 02:04:21+00:00): Hello, there is an important mistake here, since according to wiki, when adding damage event, the building=* 
should NOT bet removed. This is important for map data consumers, especially in critical moments, like rescuers using updated map data, to be able to find these buildings. 

This is critical.

Please help me correct all the data.
nebulousCarina (2026-07-01 10:28:57+00:00): can you point me to the article on the wiki that says that a destroyed:building=* should still also be a building=* ?
Also it seems you already corrected all the data in the area I edited, but here is a query https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2sxV
pantufla (2026-07-06 14:59:28+00:00): Thank you, to be honest I might have misread it at the beginning with the rush. In any case I have a very valid point I want to defend and reform the wiki if possible, since it hasn't been voted for what it is now. Yes I did edit all I could find with OverPass Turbo. Thank you for your comprehension.
ajmat (2026-07-01 07:09:14+00:00): Reverted in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184897694
b-jazz (2026-07-01 17:24:56+00:00): Hey Khrymsyn,

Thanks for working to improve golf courses in OSM. Please be aware that golf features like greens, fairways, roughs, tees, bunkers, etc shouldn't overlap each other. I noticed several of them were in this change and I'm cleaning them up, but I'm hoping you avoid that in the future so others don't have to come behind you to clean it up. Thanks.
Khrymsyn (2026-07-01 20:13:30+00:00): Thanks b-jazz - I'll be more cognizant of that. I know the one overlap was between holes but the actual ground didn't "break". Next cases like that I'll edit for the entire area and not just go "per hole". Thank you very much for your help and suggestion!
JJIglesias (2026-07-02 01:00:49+00:00): Por favor recordar Escuadrar las edificaciones apretando la letra Q o en el Mouse click derecho.

Las imágenes pueden distorsionar las edificaciones pero el 99% de ellas tienen ángulos a 90 grados y son simétricas y ortogonales. Las imágenes satélites son angulares NO verticales.

Por favor activa la opción ISSUES en el panel derecho de tu editor, para q te aparezcan tus errores, si los hubiera

Te sugerimos poner multiples edificaciones por cada conjunto de cambios (Changeset)

Gracias
BCNorwich (2026-07-01 05:41:31+00:00): Hi, The terraced buildings you are adding are often self-intersecting and have many unjoined nodes at party walls. I've corrected a lot of these and also squared up the buildings.

It's quite easy with JOSM to terrace a building, and doing so alleviates all the mentioned problems. It will make your mapping much better and neater.

Need any help? Please just ask.

Regards Bernard.
ChloeEdmondson (2026-07-02 19:24:37+00:00): Hi Bernard 
How is this done on JOSM sorry I’m still learning 

Regards 
Chloe
ChloeEdmondson (2026-07-02 19:27:30+00:00): Hi Bernard

Thank you for fixing the buildings as I said above I am still learning 

Regards 
Chloe
BCNorwich (2026-07-04 10:13:27+00:00): Hi Chloe, first you have to enable the terracer plugin in JOSM, via the edit menu, preferences menu, plugins menu. Are you able to do this? 

Then draw an outline around the whole terrace block with the buildings_tool plugin (this will produce a perfect square shape). If drawing or plotting each corner, make sure to square up the outline.

Then select/highlight the building outline, from the 'More Tools' menu click 'terrace a building', just to terrace, insert the number of segments, and click (usually) the box 'long side'. The building should be terraced. There are a few other options that are self-explanatory.

Any questions? Just ask.
Regards Bernard.
BCNorwich (2026-07-04 10:15:39+00:00): One other thing, the terracer can be used to outline semi-detached buildings with both segments equal.
ChloeEdmondson (2026-07-04 17:29:29+00:00): Hi Bernard 

Thank you so much this will make my life a lot easier 

Regards 

Chloe
ChloeEdmondson (2026-07-04 17:40:14+00:00): Hi Bernard 
I have tried this out and it makes life so much easier 
Thank you 

Regards 
chloe
caprieldeluca (2026-06-30 17:37:57+00:00): Hola, gracias por contribuir al mapa. Tu changeset tiene una advertencia `warnings:crossing_ways:highway-waterway` que debes corregir. 
En el editor iD que usas hay una sección Issues, debes resolver las advertencias antes de subir los cambios. 
 - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Argentina#Contacto
JJIglesias (2026-07-02 01:00:36+00:00): Por favor recordar Escuadrar las edificaciones apretando la letra Q o en el Mouse click derecho.

Las imágenes pueden distorsionar las edificaciones pero el 99% de ellas tienen ángulos a 90 grados y son simétricas y ortogonales. Las imágenes satélites son angulares NO verticales.

Por favor activa la opción ISSUES en el panel derecho de tu editor, para q te aparezcan tus errores, si los hubiera

Te sugerimos poner multiples edificaciones por cada conjunto de cambios (Changeset)

Gracias
pitscheplatsch (2026-06-30 15:21:19+00:00): Hi SamYYC, thanks for updating the track names. Could you please confirm if the name 'YY01' is verified through the City of Kamloops source or other reliable means?
SamYYC (2026-06-30 15:26:55+00:00): this is the correct track id used by the railway
pitscheplatsch (2026-06-30 15:32:15+00:00): Thanks for clarifying. If 'YY01' is used by the railway as an identifier, it might not necessarily be the name of the track. Could you please confirm if 'YY01' is indeed the name used on-site or in official documents, rather than just an internal reference?
ColbyTheWorldTraveler (2026-07-08 23:10:35+00:00): Looks good! The only thing to keep in mind is to never use abbreviations. Computers can very easily change "Street" to "St", but struggle converting "St" to "Street", or "Saint", or other uses.
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pitscheplatsch (2026-06-30 15:21:56+00:00): Same here, please see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184859728
ColbyTheWorldTraveler (2026-07-08 21:42:24+00:00): Unfortunately, the default Bing maps satellite view is about a decade out of date. If you switch the view to ESRI, you'll see the current view of the roundabout, which is significantly more northward. Thanks for the contribution though!
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FajrAl (2026-07-01 04:26:20+00:00): Ubah pengaturan ke bahasa Indonesia, itu akan lebih memudahkan saat pencarian jenis objeknya.
CAM-Gerlach_Repair (2026-07-02 08:00:32+00:00): Reverted adding SEO spam POI with blatant advertising and malformed tags/values

https://osm.org/changeset/184960152
BCNorwich (2026-06-30 17:10:19+00:00): Duplicated highway removed.
caprieldeluca (2026-06-30 17:42:48+00:00): Hola, gracias por contribuir al mapa. Los números de interpolación de numeraciones ahora quedaron con el nombre de una calle inexistente. Favor de corregir el nombre en todos los elementos con etiqueta `addr:street` que refieran a la misma calle. 
- https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Argentina#Contacto
JJIglesias (2026-07-02 01:00:17+00:00): Por favor recordar Escuadrar las edificaciones apretando la letra Q o en el Mouse click derecho.

Las imágenes pueden distorsionar las edificaciones pero el 99% de ellas tienen ángulos a 90 grados y son simétricas y ortogonales. Las imágenes satélites son angulares NO verticales.

Por favor activa la opción ISSUES en el panel derecho de tu editor, para q te aparezcan tus errores, si los hubiera

Te sugerimos poner multiples edificaciones por cada conjunto de cambios (Changeset)

Gracias
felipeeugenio (2026-06-30 18:33:22+00:00): Hola. Dibujamos la base del edificio, no la forma del techo. Además, se pueden cuadrar las estructuras con la letra Q. Saludos
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caprieldeluca (2026-06-30 16:39:24+00:00): Se revierte. Utiliza nodos de un oleoducto en layer -3 para mapeo de calles. Se reporta por segunda reversión. Favor de contactarse con la comunidad OSM Argentina antes de seguir subiendo cambios. - wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Argentina#Contacto
Rngrk (2026-07-04 16:35:45+00:00): name不存在, landuse过于粗糙
快乐的老鼠宝宝 (2026-07-18 11:28:53+00:00): 您的意思是整个泰山这么大都是军事区吗？这合理吗
caprieldeluca (2026-06-30 17:54:34+00:00): Hola, gracias por contribuir al mapa. Revisé los cambios, se ven bien para mí. Solo quedaría corregir "Atlético" con mayúsculas en el nombre del club. 
- https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Argentina#Contacto
JJIglesias (2026-07-02 01:00:05+00:00): Por favor recordar Escuadrar las edificaciones apretando la letra Q o en el Mouse click derecho.

Las imágenes pueden distorsionar las edificaciones pero el 99% de ellas tienen ángulos a 90 grados y son simétricas y ortogonales. Las imágenes satélites son angulares NO verticales.

Por favor activa la opción ISSUES en el panel derecho de tu editor, para q te aparezcan tus errores, si los hubiera

Te sugerimos poner multiples edificaciones por cada conjunto de cambios (Changeset)

Gracias
gpserror (2026-06-30 16:26:45+00:00): Thanks for adding.  Sorry though - looks like we collided, I ended up merging your data with the building with other info, just in case you noticed your addition disappear.
Martin Jepsen (2026-07-01 13:36:27+00:00): The two buildings (no. 1 and 2) on Bavnehøjvej have been torn down sometime in 2024 or 2025. There is now a parking lot here. I suggest we remove the addresses, as there is nothing observable on the ground that relates to the house numbers anymore.
mikini (2026-07-01 15:44:44+00:00): Hi Martin,

Welcome to OpenStreetMap and thank you for the attention.

I guess you meant the numbers 1 & 3? Number 2 is part of the hospital building on the opposite side of Bavnehøjvej.

The current consensus is that [autoAWS][1] imports and maintains addresses that are present in the official [Danmarks Adresseregister (DAR)][2], which these still are (see registry's API response for [no. 1][3] and [no. 3][4].

There are a lot of official addresses where no buildings exists (and  addresses in weird places like in the middle of water-bodies). Why the responsible municipalities does not rigorously maintain addresses we can only speculate about.

DAR has [a guide about reporting wrong addresses][5] to the responsible municipalities ("adressemyndighed") which should be the preferred approach.

Forcing a removal in regards to autoAWS has never been brought to my attention before but if you really want to remove them from OSM (and thus not show up in search results etc.) and also prevent autoAWS in updating them or inserting them anew  you can;

* remove all address related tags (addr:*) and source
* keep oask:identifier
* add autoaws=ignore

However, this leaves you or other mappers as solely responsible for manually keeping that osak:identifier's data updated in OSM, so this should only be done if absolutely necessary.

-- 
Hilsner og godt med flere lokale ;),
Mikkel

[1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AutoAWS
[2]: https://danmarksadresser.dk/
[3]: https://api.dataforsyningen.dk/adgangsadresser?id=0a3f508d-6a03-32b8-e044-0003ba298018
[4]: https://api.dataforsyningen.dk/adgangsadresser?id=0a3f508d-6a05-32b8-e044-0003ba298018
[5]: https://danmarksadresser.dk/om-danmarksadresserdk/rapporter-fejl
osmviborg (2026-07-01 20:08:58+00:00): Et adressepunkt repræsenterer som udgangspunkt en matrikel, og der er to små matrikler på stedet. Martins udgangspunkt er, som mange andre nye bidragsydere tror, at en adresse er det samme som at der skal være en bygning på stedet. At fjerne adressepunkter på den baggrund er IMHO helt forkert.
Martin Jepsen (2026-07-02 18:18:06+00:00): @osmviborg, jeg er ikke helt enig. Som jeg læser retningslinjerne for OSM, så skal OSM umiddelbart repræsentere ting som kan verificeres ved observation. Bavnehøj 1 og 3 er demoleret, og der er lagt asfalt. Der er ingen fysiske spor efter de to addresser længere, og de kan dermed ikke observeres. Så i min optik er de to addresser blot data uden virkelig mening længere.
b-holdet (2026-07-02 19:38:15+00:00): Her er matriklen til Bavnehøj 3
https://nyt.ois.dk/map/5735112/sfe

Og Bavnehøj 1
https://nyt.ois.dk/map/5735113

Så længe matriklerne findes, så er der jo også et adressepunkt på stedet. Man kunne jo i princippet genopføre en ny bygning med disse adressepunkter igen.

Der er mange andre ting i OSM, som ikke kan ses i den virkelige verden, men alligevel er kommet med ind. I tilfældet med adresser, så er der et abstrakt lag, som vi har lagt op for at kunne kommunikere på tværs. På samme vis som kommunegrænser og regioner. Dem kan vi heller ikke se i den fysiske verden, men de er dog med.
Jeg selv betragter adressepunkterne som et ekstra lag. I over 99% af stederne passer de faktisk til en bygning eller opgang.
Martin Jepsen (2026-07-02 19:47:43+00:00): Sammenligningen med kommunegrænser giver faktisk rigtig god mening. Jeg er overbevist. Tak for det :-)
DaveF (2026-07-01 11:12:49+00:00): Please don't remove wikipedia tags. they are valid data.
SuborbitalPigeon (2026-07-01 11:42:22+00:00): No, they are language specific and the wikidata tag replaces them entirely
DaveF (2026-07-01 12:30:07+00:00): The article is in English as the subject is in Great Britain. It's pathetic how supporters of Wikidata have to use OSM to justify it's existence.Even after 14 years the majority of wikidata pages are empty white space.
SuborbitalPigeon (2026-07-01 15:49:19+00:00): That is irrelevant. I will continue to remove useless wikipedia tags no matter how useless you think wikidata is.
DaveF (2026-07-01 19:05:37+00:00): Wikidata is not a substitute for a valid, widely used tag. 

Stop vandalising the OSM database.
literan (2026-06-30 18:45:51+00:00): не надо "интересный магазин" вешать на всю многоэтажку. Попробуйте еще раз
Yog Sot (2026-07-01 21:26:19+00:00): muszę to zapamiętać, że może identyczny podobny tag powinien być dla rowerówek, bo tu ciekawostka.. trochę tu zabiegałem aby to było highway=pedestrian ze względu na to jak bardzo przypomina raczej deptak niz drogę pieszo/rowerową
db-ak (2026-07-02 16:49:21+00:00): Sam jestem ciekaw jak to wyjdzie i jak inne nawigacje, planery i rendery to zaakceptują
FajrAl (2026-07-01 04:30:37+00:00): ketika salurannya melewati jalan (contoh: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/800604062), bisa klik salurannya dan pilih bar kuning "make as culvert / buat gorong-gorong" secara otomatis. Atau jika jalannya berupa jembatan, jalannya yg diklik, nanti ada tulisan "make as bridge / buat jembatan" secara otomatis.
LudovicG (2026-06-30 17:51:53+00:00): Décidément, "Le monde ne suffit pas" :D On avait échangé autour de Blois je crois (capacity=2 sur une location de voiture).
Je me suis permis de corriger la ref pour que ça colle à dataNOVA (opendata La Poste). En effet, il y a souvent une erreur sur la titreuse du facteur mais le format COMUP est bien A9A9A9.
Raphael Mercey (2026-06-30 18:40:50+00:00): Bonjour. Je suppose que je dois faire une erreur entre les O et les 0. Merci d'une part pour la correction et d'autre part pour l'info sur dataNOVA. Je vais creuser le sujet pour comprendre mon erreur. ;) 
Hé oui, on avait échangé pour les voitures en Autopartage sur Blois. ;)
LudovicG (2026-07-01 09:31:14+00:00): Bonjour,
Tiens ! Vous répondez avec un autre compte :)
Pour la ref, l'erreur ne vient (sûrement) pas de vous. Sur le terrain, celui (facteur ?) qui colle l'étiquette avec la ref (comup pour la Poste) se trompe parfois en mettant AO au lieu de A0.

Voici le lien pour vérifier les choses : https://datanova.laposte.fr/datasets/laposte-boiterue

Je conseille de cliquer sur le poi "carte générique" puis soit de saisir la ref (avec ou sans l'erreur) ou bien de parcourir la carte à la main. On peut aussi saisir le nom d'une commune (entre double guillemets pour limiter les faux positifs).
LudovicG (2026-07-04 17:36:05+00:00): Leur adresse vient de changer : https://data.laposte.fr/datasets/laposte-boiterue/map?q=A0Z3G9
Preben Vangberg (2026-06-30 19:37:30+00:00): Do you have a source that shows that this road is part of Park Crescent rather than being an unnamed alleyway? None of the houses on the road have an address on Park Crescent and there is no sign on either end.
Vidrada502 (2026-06-30 20:28:38+00:00): Yes, this must be a mistake - thank you for letting me know :)
Fizzie-DWG (2026-07-15 05:13:29+00:00): DWG revert - unauthorised source

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185760941
silversurfer83 (2026-06-30 17:56:12+00:00): Moin Udo,

nette Idee. Ich hätte da vielleicht Einwände:

- die Wikipedia ist auf Grund ihrer Lizenz leider nicht als Quelle für OSM nutzbar. Bitte nutze für deine Arbeit andere, saubere Quellen.

- Die Grenzen selbst sind schon eine Ausnahme von unserer On-The-Ground-Regel, nach der wir nur Dinge erfassen, die man vor Ort verifizieren kann. Deine Punkte sind weitere virtuelle Objekte und sollten nur bei uns in die Datenbank, wenn vor Ort ein Marker vorhanden ist. Das sollte entsprechend kontrolliert werden.

Grüße
silversurfer83
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UdoBrechtel (2026-06-30 18:11:52+00:00): Moin ebenfalls, 
das ist sehr schade. Was machen wir?
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silversurfer83 (2026-06-30 18:33:20+00:00): Naja,

wenn die Punkte vor Ort nicht erkennbar sind und da die Quelle eigentlich nicht passt* würde ich die Änderung rückgängig machen.

Mein Nachbardorf hat an zwei bestimmten Punkten der Gemarkung entsprechende Marker aufgestellt. Sowas ist für OSM entsprechend erfassbar. Wenn einer oder mehr dieser Punkte vor Ort auch einen Marker hat, dann kann dieser gerne erfasst werden.

*die Wikipedia selbst sieht das weniger eng als wir. Andere Quellen sind da gefährlicher.
UdoBrechtel (2026-06-30 18:50:54+00:00): Ich schaue mal. Übrigens habe ich die Wikipedia-Artikel nicht als Beleg, sondern als ergänzende Info verlinkt.
309_308_307 (2026-07-01 16:00:12+00:00): der südlichste Punkt Hessens liegt im Wasser (Neckar), ich bezweifle mal, dass es unter Wasser ein entsprechendes Schild gibt, das nur Taucher sehen können
UdoBrechtel (2026-07-01 17:33:52+00:00): Ja, das stimmt offensichtlich.
jmarchon (2026-07-01 04:23:48+00:00): Looks good to me. Welcome to OSM!
eggie (2026-07-15 13:26:08+00:00): Hoi..

Denk niet dat deze nieuwe mapper de skills heeft om het aan te passen
Zie https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185782544#map=18/51.683797/4.658707&layers=N

en
https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=185782544

Ik heb de bewuste changeset teruggedraaid.
Neem aan dat jij er nog mee bezig bent. 

Groet,
eggie
literan (2026-06-30 18:42:56+00:00): name:en это тег не для локализации на латинице, а для названий на английском языке. Так, как называют носители языка, а не Дептранс. Так что откачу.
aericht (2026-06-30 19:01:12+00:00): @literan, я создавал правки, опираясь на существующий нейминг других станций в осме; Revolution Square, Alexander Garden, Lenin Library и Moscow-City – это единственные "адаптированные" названия, которые я заметил; остальные +- сохраняют романификацию.
Ещё эти тэги отображаются как названия во многих приложениях при не русской локали, и неконсистентность в навигации с общегородской (а также с остальной осмовской), насколько я понимаю считается плохим тоном в урбанистических картах и может путать людей?
И вообще, под "называют носители языка" если название не указано официально как раз же идёт тег alt_name, не?
literan (2026-06-30 19:14:57+00:00): т.е. вы даже взяли не "официальные названия", а создали, т.е. придумали их сами? это совсем не дело.

под "называют носители языка" идет как раз name:ru, name:en, name:fr и так далее.

например, для New Orlean будет тег name:ru=Новый Орлеан, а не name:ru=Нью-Орлеан, потому что именно так называют его носители языка. И неважно, что там власти этого города в потенциальном туристическом буклете на русском языке придумали.