piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
Frans S (2023-06-17 12:52:22+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project.
You are aware of the fact that this as a highway mapping project ? Please focus on that
This changeset is reviewed by a Global Validator. 
I am sorry to say, but your mappings do not meet the quality standards of HOTOSM.
Please pay attention to next summarized issues. ( see attached document for more info)
About the buildings you mapped.
D: Connecting nodes of buildings to other buildings or features like roads and residential areas.
E. Buildings not squared.



Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit


Best regards and keep mapping !
Frans S
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OldManCelli (2023-06-22 18:26:51+00:00): Hi tmp85, I'm going to try to fix your edit. Is there any way that hikers can legally get from the road to the trail behind the building in question?
Nate Wessel (2023-06-16 21:16:40+00:00): Please stop adding these names to alleys. These alleys do not have names. There are no signs and no one calls them by these names.
Matt Stroh (2023-06-16 21:43:36+00:00): Would love to hear more about the rationale for your position, Nate. As far as I can tell, these are all public alleys presumably owned by the City of Toronto. Are you writing on behalf of the City or in your personal capacity? While the City does not appear to have names for many of these alleys, this is obviously an issue for identification for end users. As you may know, Google does give these alleys names. And, the one that you commented on is called "Lane East Sorauren North Fern".  Looking forward to furthering the discussion.
Matt Stroh (2023-06-16 21:54:06+00:00): I think we might be approaching this issue from a different perspective. I have an informal running group that is trying to run every single road (including alleys) in the City, and having some way to identify them assists us in that regard. Here is a link: https://citystrides.com/cities/131268
Jarek 🚲 (2023-06-17 01:05:18+00:00): Hi Matt,

Welcome to OpenStreetMap.

Yes these are public roadways maintained by the City.

These lanes don't have names. What you are adding are descriptions. "Milky Way" and "St. Francis Lane" are names of some of Toronto's named lanes. "Lane E Sorauren N Fern" is a description that locates a lane.

Similarly, "Jarek Piórkowski" is my name. "Male Child of [my parent's name] Piórkowski" is a description.

OpenStreetMap is a geographic database, so the position of a lane is always known and doesn't need to be described in a name tag.

You will also notice that names like "Milky Way" or "Skey Lane" are posted on official City name signs as you're running past them, unlike the descriptions.

End users have managed these laneways without "names" for decades and I think they will be fine. If identification is needed, City does have a process for naming a laneway.

Your use case of running every single lane in the city is interesting, good luck! It is, however, no reason to introduce incorrect data into a database. In this case, it is also illustrative: you named two different lanes "Lane N Queen W Lansdowne" (the east-west https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23225609 and the north-south https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23225611) - does running east-west also as running the north-south lane?

At the very least, if you believe the lane's name to be "Lane East Sorauren North Fern" as you wrote above, please use that rather than the abbreviated form "Lane E Sorauren N Fern". And be more careful - you named https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/462296067 "Lane W Sorauren N Grenadier" even though it extends south of Grenadier Road.

Cheers,
Jarek
Nate Wessel (2023-06-17 13:20:09+00:00): Hi Matt, 
Apologies for the brevity of my earlier message. I saw your edits coming in but didn't have time just then for more constructive criticism. Thanks Jarek for jumping in to fill that gap!

One way I'd suggest thinking about the namelessness here is that these are service roads, and most service roads actually don't have names. Private or semi-private driveways for example very rarely would be named. I wouldn't want to see https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/232723249 for example called "No Frills Driveway" or something like that. Where would it stop? Would the parking aisles have names too? "Easternmost North-South No Frills Parking Aisle" etc

Also, from the perspective of someone potentially using these names/descriptions to help navigate, I would think these would create confusion if anything. There's no indication of these names in physical reality, so if you were expecting that you might think you were in the wrong place. Better to have a direction like "turn left onto the unnamed alley" as an unnamed alley is what you would actually see.

Definitely not writing on behalf of the City by the way; the City has no say over what's right for OSM. Nor does Google Maps or any else for that matter. 

Here's a good rundown of how to use the "name" tag: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Name_is_the_name_only
It appears there's actually a tag to indicate namelessness too https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:noname%3Dyes which should probably be added to most of the city's alleys and might help to prevent some confusion in the future. 

Best,
Nate
Matt Stroh (2023-06-18 00:57:00+00:00): Hi Jarek and Nate, 
Thank you for your very insightful comments. Always appreciated!
For our running group's purposes, we would like to have a way to have these lanes populate into the website we are using to track this project: https://citystrides.com/cities/131268 I understand that all of the streets contained on Citystrides are populated from OpenStreetMap, which is part of the reason why we wanted to provide names, or at least descriptions, to all of the city's many alleys. Obviously, we want to be as accurate as possible in doing this. If you have any suggestions in that regard it would be greatly appreciated. 

Best, 

Matt
Jarek 🚲 (2023-06-18 01:30:32+00:00): Honestly, this sounds like a feature request for CityStrides: to add support for certain unnamed roads. For example, specifically to add unnamed laneways (in OSM terms: highway=service + service=alley + name is null - see https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1wcL for current map/list of those in Toronto).

As I understand it, CityStrides started as a challenge to run all of a city's streets. Not alleyways. So a decision on whether alleyways should be added should probably be taken by CityStrides.

Until then, you're messing up one website (OSM and its database) to hack a feature onto another website (CityStrides). It appears CityStrides does request you don't do that - see for example https://community.citystrides.com/t/osm-question-streets-with-names-that-arent-really-streets/23023/2 (albeit for the opposite issue to yours) or https://community.citystrides.com/t/changing-duplicate-street-names-in-osm/18952/3 (for whether names in OSM should be modified to fix behaviour in CityStrides).

I'll give an example. A while back, Pokemon GO populated their map of the world from OSM, and set Pokemon spawn points to be in parks. Makes sense because people can go to parks and hang out there. Then people who wanted a spawn point near their house would go on OSM and add a park on their front lawn. Technically a lawn might be greenspace, but on a larger scale, it's pretty obviously misusing the database for your own purposes. Pokemon GO wasn't the only user of the OSM data, and everyone else was getting worse experience.
Eric Geiler - A&B Courier (2023-06-20 13:45:22+00:00): I agree with Nate and Jarek.
draxxiu (2023-06-17 15:07:38+00:00): https://gdansk.robyg.pl/_next/image?url=%2Fuploads%2Fplan_osiedla_81d69c34e5.jpg&w=3840&q=75
MxxCon (2023-06-26 00:46:33+00:00): opposes safe streets as in they want dangerous streets?🤨
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akadouri (2023-06-26 02:37:57+00:00): They have a big sign that they support the counter-campaign for the street redesign. There's a lot of drama in the neighborhood around it. Weird because a bar with an outdoor patio would probably get more business if it was nicer to bike/walk to... 

Possible design: https://www.brooklynpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Screen-Shot-2023-05-11-at-3.32.45-PM-1536x744.png

Background:
https://www.thecity.nyc/2023/6/13/23759703/keep-mcguinness-moving-greenpoint-broadway-stages-gina-argento
MxxCon (2023-06-26 11:18:31+00:00): I guess in their opinion sacrifice of a bar vs theirs-perceived benefit to other biz worth it.
Tomas Straupis (2023-06-17 06:58:22+00:00): Na ne :( negerai, turizmo objektai sukelti ant kelių, ir kitos detalės. Ten jau viskas buvo gerai sužymėta prieš n metų...
MindaugasS (2023-06-17 11:42:22+00:00): Tuos viewpoint'us jau radau priklijuotus prie kelių, kai kuriuos atklijavau, kai kurių nejudinau. Šiaip tai nebuvo ten gerai: privatus parkingas su pakeliamais vartais („šlagbaumu“) buvo pažymėtas kaip viešas, be to, didesnis nei tikrovėje (tas šlagbaumas pakeliamas tokiais pulteliais, kurie išduodami tik išrinktiesiems tarp išrinktųjų). Privatūs namai ir kiemai buvo pažymėti kaip universiteto teritorija; kai kuriuose kiemuose buvo pažymėta pievelių ir pan., bet jos ant viršaus užklotos nepermatoma „pedestrian area“. Atrodo, tų „pedestrian areas“ paskirtis buvo tik užrašyti kiemų pavadinimus, bet jie kai kada kartojo pavadinimus, užrašytus ant viewpoints, kai kada jiems prieštaravo („Didysis kiemas“ versus „Petro Skargos kiemas“ ir pan.). Be to, tos „pedestrian areas“ niekaip nekoreliavo su realiu automobilių buvimu tuose kiemuose (pavyzdžiui, Adomo Mickevičiaus kiemas amžinai pilnas automobilių, priklausančių kavinės (pažymėtos kaip aludė ir ne visai tikslioje vietoje) „7 Fridays“ darbuotojams (beje, „7 Fridays“ patalpos priklauso universitetui, bet yra išnuomotos). Vienas pastatas buvo pavadintas „Orientalistikos centru“, nors šis užima tik kelis kabinetus, didžioji dalis kurių yra gretimame pastate, be to, po Žukausko „pažangių reformų“ jis nebėra kamieninis padalinys, o jo pavadinimas tapo kitoks, baisiai ilgas ir politiškai korektiškas; ir kitos panašios detalės. Jei tai buvo gerai, tai mes skirtingai suprantame sąvoką „gerai“ :)

Nesu tikras, ar viewpoints yra geriausias būdas kiemų pavadinimams surašyti. Kaip matau, Oxfordo („quads“) ir Cambridge'o („courts“) kiemų pavadinimai paprastai būna užrašyti ant juose esančių pievelių, bet mūsų kiemų daugelis neturi pievelių, taigi daugiau nelieka ant ko juos užrašyti, kaip tik ant viewpoints. Galbūt tuos viewpoints (kurie labiau juk yra regyklos ant kalnų) verta pakeisti į kokias nors „tourist attraction“? (Ten amžinai pilna turistų su spausdintais planeliais, klaidžiojančių po tuos kiemus.) Sprendimai, žinoma, Jūsų.
felipeeugenio (2023-06-16 22:29:21+00:00): Hola Dannae
Por favor escribir con mayúsculas solo al principio y luego con minúsculas. 

saludos
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user_18305684 (2023-07-11 12:45:01+00:00): Hi,

You are right, it is only a polygon. And a polygon don't need the tag type=multipolygon.

I fixed it.

Best regards
SzymonH (2023-06-22 05:50:58+00:00): Usunąłem obie te relacje bo to wandalizm, przez który wariują routingi: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/137630301
schwukas (2023-06-19 08:48:49+00:00): Hi Jacques, du hast hier ein Review angefragt. Womit bist du dir nicht sicher?
Jez Nicholson (2026-02-02 13:39:47+00:00): erm?! "The Peoples' free Republic of Trumpton"?
UtterClutter (2026-02-02 15:33:48+00:00): Yes, the area was a squatting community with that name for many years during the 90s.
How are you doing anyway Jez? Are you enjoying my 3D work? I am getting fairly proficient at it by now.
UtterClutter (2026-02-02 15:35:35+00:00): I should change it to old_name really
UtterClutter (2026-02-02 19:41:12+00:00): How is that for you Jez? I've done a bit of 3D work on it
Jez Nicholson (2026-02-04 17:50:58+00:00): It's looking great in demo.f4map.com !
lipuma (2023-06-19 09:09:23+00:00): Hi Philip, is this highway residential or unclassified?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1182600498
tyfi (2023-06-16 22:34:29+00:00): This one was named "Highway Ee" so it could've been caught with some diligent searching but wasn't.
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-06-20 14:49:25+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/823078820/history

Is this marble machined into a flat surfaces? In such case it would be surface=paving_stones material=marble

Or is it surface=sett material=marble (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dsett )

Or maybe even surface=unhewn_cobblestone material=marble ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dunhewn_cobblestone )
aceman444 (2023-06-21 07:28:45+00:00): Good idea, thanks. Yes, they are flat marble plates.
A Hall (2023-07-20 13:56:17+00:00): Please review VT's guidelines for road tagging before reverting more changes. VT has an active Slack channel and are happy to engage in discussions.
Martin868 (2023-07-20 18:39:12+00:00): Please indicate what you consider a mistake. I did lots of improvements to those island, including all the landuse areas. So hard for me to know what you consider wrong in what I have done. If you tell me I will be glad to listen. Cheers.
yasslay (2023-06-22 11:46:33+00:00): Hi! Why did you change https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/78423988 to a secondary road with the number (A643)? Do you have a source for these changes?
The_JF (2023-06-23 23:57:56+00:00): as part of Leeds city council works to bus gate city square and east parade new signs have been installed in this area. this junction, replacing the white 'Wortley' and 'Huddersfield A62' with "Huddersfield (A643)" in green and signs for Leeds railway station or Beeston/Morley pointing to this road.

I thought this bit of road would then be "A highway which is not part of a major route, but nevertheless forming a link in the national route network." as it links the A58 to A643
tyfi (2023-06-17 00:43:22+00:00): CC extends all the way north to the point where the motorway_link roads of Avenue of the Saints connect. I chose the point where the asphalt color changes as that was probably a delineation MoDOT made at some point between maintaining CC vs the ramps
tyfi (2023-06-17 00:45:10+00:00): I thought it was more elegant to model a small stretch of Long Road as a single centerline between the divided part to the south and the AotS ramps to the north, so I did that along the way.
tyfi (2023-06-17 00:47:21+00:00): My next changeset #137432307 removed the oneway tag on that small segment which I accidentally left in there.
tyfi (2023-06-17 00:52:16+00:00): The next changeset after that (#137432335) added u-turn prohibitions so that you can navigate off one ramp and onto the other or zip around the concrete divider on Long Road.
csimeona22 (2023-06-20 21:07:34+00:00): Correction: Source used was Bing aerial imagery.
tyfi (2023-06-17 00:47:37+00:00): This amends my last changeset #137432222 as I described on that thread.
tyfi (2023-06-17 00:52:25+00:00): This amends #137432222.
tyfi (2023-06-17 00:59:49+00:00): I undid this in #137432411 because it's not explicitly prohibited to u-turn here...
Abdullah Abdulrhman (2023-06-20 02:54:44+00:00): مرحبا بك، الصور الفضائية للمكان لا تتطابق مع تعديلاتك، تم التصحيح ونرجوا منكم عدم زيادة الحدود السكانية
little_maper (2023-06-18 13:21:21+00:00): Hello Ahmad Shrnaxi Zeyrek;
Thank you for contributing to OpenStreetMap in Iraq, I noticed you added two streets that didn't appear in any satellite image.
and from our side, we made some deep research and found these streets are proposed.
and my opinion in this case should have these tags.
highway=proposed
porposed=motorway_link
Link for streets:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1182614150
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1182614935
Link for news:
https://twitter.com/seemon19871/status/1670083491302723584
another link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=619876136838369&set=pb.100064479651297.-2207520000.&type=3&locale=cs_CZ
could you check it and fixed it, please? If you need help I will be happy to fix it.
Regards
little_maper
little_maper (2023-06-18 13:21:47+00:00): Hello Ahmad Shrnaxi Zeyrek;
Thank you for contributing to OpenStreetMap in Iraq, I noticed you added two streets that didn't appear in any satellite image.
and from our side, we made some deep research and found these streets are proposed.
and my opinion in this case should have these tags.
highway=proposed
porposed=motorway_link
Link for streets:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1182614150
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1182614935
Link for news:
https://twitter.com/seemon19871/status/1670083491302723584
another link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=619876136838369&set=pb.100064479651297.-2207520000.&type=3&locale=cs_CZ
could you check it and fixed it, please? If you need help I will be happy to fix it.
Regards
little_maper
tyfi (2023-06-17 01:38:18+00:00): This name was in the "name_1" field from TIGER and was moved to "alt_name" but was never accurate. Chesterfield Business Parkway is a real street, but it's the next one over to the west.
bigmapscaver (2023-09-26 01:03:42+00:00): What's the source for this trail name?
Warin61 (2023-10-03 23:54:55+00:00): Hi
Way: 1182617468 is incorrect ... goes from '40' (this is a duplicate of previous node addr) to '40' .. ummm
Vadmium (2023-10-04 04:11:45+00:00): Thankyou, I have fixed it up. Obviously a bad copy and paste from the previous address row.
ahbei (2023-06-17 11:06:29+00:00): 環境舒適，適合來走走逛逛的好店家
kartler175 (2023-06-25 09:56:29+00:00): Before you delete elements, please make sure that they have no function, e.g. as a member of a relation. Otherwise you may destroy regular objects:
https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=areas&lon=-92.80723&lat=49.77933&zoom=14&baselayer=Geofabrik%20Standard&opacity=0.95&overlays=duplicate_node%2Csingle_node_in_way%2Cduplicate_segment%2Cway_in_multiple_rings%2Cintersection%2Cintersecting_segments%2Cring_not_closed%2Ctouching_rings%2Crole_should_be_inner%2Crole_should_be_outer%2Cinner_with_same_tags%2Cways%2Cduplicate_node%2Csingle_node_in_way%2Cduplicate_segment%2Cway_in_multiple_rings%2Cintersection%2Cintersecting_segments%2Cring_not_closed%2Ctouching_rings%2Crole_should_be_inner%2Crole_should_be_outer%2Cinner_with_same_tags%2Cways
tux67 (2023-06-17 06:48:28+00:00): Hi - contact:mobile wäre korrekt. Hab ich angepasst. Gruß tux67
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user_5359 (2023-06-17 07:42:00+00:00): Upps Tippfehler! Mir ging es eigentlich darum den Schlüssel phone:mobil zu mobile zu korrigieren.
celamiri (2023-06-17 05:55:31+00:00): thanks!
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TheSwavu (2023-06-17 05:53:14+00:00): Hi,

You've mapped this campsite in the middle of a block of private land. Is this where you meant to put it or is this an illegal campsite?

Thanks.
Alessandro Susca (2023-06-17 06:02:58+00:00): Hi, yeah I actually tried to delete it after adding cause I realised with camping it was meant a proper campsite! This was in the limits of the park, or at least didn't see any private property sign walking there through the park, there was a fireplace and some benches and some open area to camp but no proper campsite
martianfreeloader (2023-07-16 16:00:00+00:00): Hi,

You made Poljanska cesta a one-way street. However, there are currently bus relations passing from east to west through this section of the street.

Is your one-way tag a mistake or have the bus routes changed recently?
martianfreeloader (2023-07-16 16:01:43+00:00): For example this one: https://www.osm.org/relation/13133202
martianfreeloader (2023-07-16 16:17:03+00:00): It seems you've just forgot oneway:bicycle=no and oneway:bus=no
wambacher (2023-06-17 09:36:23+00:00): Moin, ich habe hfs gestern angeschrieben aber er hat noch nicht reagiert. :( 

Danke und Gruß
walter
hfs (2023-06-18 19:44:13+00:00): Ja, ich bitte vielmals um Entschuldigung. Es war nur ein dummer Tippfehler, ich habe nicht gut genug aufgepasst. Hatte die letzten Tage viel um die Ohren.

Vielen Dank lberges für die Unterstützung!
Глеб (2025-10-20 18:13:19+00:00): стела пишется с одной буквой л
user_5359 (2023-06-17 08:56:06+00:00): Welcome to OSM! I remove your SEO SPAM (mostly wrong keys and not a part of a highway).
impiaaa (2023-06-17 18:06:33+00:00): It's still useful to keep address locations, even if there is no occupant at that address, so that geocoding still works.
user_5359 (2023-06-17 08:40:38+00:00): Hello! Please take a look on https://www.osm.org/node/5388394731/history. What is the mean of the tag payment:cashe = yes? Did you mean payment:cash = yes?
stosh77 (2023-06-25 00:04:32+00:00): Thank you for pointing this out.
The "payment:cash = yes" is correct, It is simply a spelling error.
We appreciate the correction!
Op'tRad (2025-07-08 09:04:14+00:00): Hallo Taya,

Onlangs was ik nog daar. Volgens mij liggen rond deze kruising drie dingen: 
linksboven een monument voor Krishnamurti, (rechtsboven niets) en links- en rechtsonder twee kamp-maquettes. 
Overigens: Kamp Erika, als benaming, volstaat. 'Herdenkingsmonument' is overbodig als deel van de benaming; de tag historic monument bepaald dat al. Op de kaart staat daardoor ook een monument-icoontje, dat aangeeft dat het een monument is.

Groet,
Werner
Taya_S (2025-07-09 14:45:53+00:00): Hallo Werner,

Het is ondertussen al meer dan twee jaar geleden dat ik hier voor het laatst ben geweest. Ik kan mij de specifieke details niet meer herinneren. 

Gelijk heb jij dat `Herdenkingsmonument` zeer waarschijnlijk overbodig is. Voel je vrij om dat aan te passen.

Vriendelijke groet,
Taya Snijder
Mateusz Konieczny (2025-12-09 13:13:50+00:00): Hello!

You used
playground=swingy
on https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10981916250/history

Have you maybe meant
playground=swing
?

I am pretty sure that it is a typo, but not sure enough to just replace it (I edited some objects where situation seemed more clear to me).

Or have you used this value deliberately? In such case, what was the intended meaning?

If it is a mistake - can you fix it?
opendcc (2025-12-10 05:54:44+00:00): Its a typo - springy. fixed
Warin61 (2023-06-18 00:23:26+00:00): Hi,

There is an error in relation  	15985553. The outer way touches the inner way. See https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=areas&lon=137.66508&lat=-34.79486&zoom=19&baselayer=Geofabrik%20Standard&overlays=duplicate_node%2Csingle_node_in_way%2Cduplicate_segment%2Cway_in_multiple_rings%2Cintersection%2Cintersecting_segments%2Cring_not_closed%2Ctouching_rings%2Crole_should_be_inner%2Crole_should_be_outer%2Cinner_with_same_tags%2Cways%2Cduplicate_node%2Csingle_node_in_way%2Cduplicate_segment%2Cway_in_multiple_rings%2Cintersection%2Cintersecting_segments%2Cring_not_closed%2Ctouching_rings%2Crole_should_be_inner%2Crole_should_be_outer%2Cinner_with_same_tags%2Cways

PS nice to map some of the rural areas of OZ.
NorthCrab_upload (2023-06-17 07:00:19+00:00): 🗺️ Witaj na OpenStreetMap!

Zauważyłem, że Twoja zmiana zawiera nadmiarowe informacje. Przygotowałem listę obiektów do poprawy oraz dodatkowe informacje:

Paczkomat nie powinien mieć nazwy. Nazwa nadawana jest automatycznie, na podstawie wartości brand. Opcjonalnie, numer identyfikacyjny może być przekazany w polu ref.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10982010533

Dokumentacja paczkomatów (po polsku):
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pl:Tag:amenity%3Dparcel_locker

W razie problemów lub pytań, proszę pisać. Chętnie pomogę.
Pozdrawiam! 🦀
SylwesterB (2023-06-17 17:38:38+00:00): Dziękuję za informację. Wydawało mi się, że coś trzeba wpisać w polu nazwa. Jeszcze raz dziękuję i pozdrawiam.
NorthCrab (2023-06-20 10:10:24+00:00): Spoko :-), paczkomaty to po prostu szczególny przypadek.
MindaugasS (2023-06-17 11:50:08+00:00): Kokia priežastis buvo panaikinti Žemutinės pilies bokštų ir sienos pamatus ties Narvesen kiosku, kurie ten dabar egzistuoja taip pat realiai, kaip, pavyzdžiui, buvusios Šv. Onos ir šv. Barboros bažnyčios pamatai?