piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
solenoid jam (2023-01-20 07:56:47+00:00): Это же разные объекты. Название территории указано верно.
Про фуд-корт ничего сказать не могу, он уже был отмечен.  
Надо зайти внутрь, посмотреть что там на месте. 
Предполагаю, что названия могут и совпадать. Мне кажется там многие заведения интегрированы под общим брендом.
AndreasTUHU (2023-01-20 10:54:34+00:00): Szia,
Egy ötlet: 
A korlátozott behajtással kitáblázott szakaszokon pl. a V. kerület Egyetem tér
motor_vehicle=private 
címkéket tettek az útszakaszokra. 
Így a navigációk nem terveznek rá, vagy figyelmeztetnek ha valaki a tiltott szakaszokon jelöli ki a célpontot.
motor_vehicle=destination
esetén szó nélkül rátervez a navi ha odatesszük a célpontot.
airdace (2023-01-20 11:05:50+00:00): Köszi a tippet, ez valóban megfontolandó!
OSM FTW (2023-01-17 22:09:24+00:00): Здравствуйте! По какой причине был удалён путь номер 1126953744 ?
Bobropiton (2023-01-18 18:23:02+00:00): Приветствую! Благодаря тэгу sidewalk=both визуально была воспринята как дублирующий проезд highway=service, и поэтому была снесена. 
Приношу извинения за невнимательность.

В залитом только что пакете 131433481 линия восстановлена как множество линий, включая участки переходов, мостов и тротуаров. 
Хорошего вечера!
OSM FTW (2023-01-18 19:34:38+00:00): Понятно. Благодарю!
literan (2023-01-16 17:07:12+00:00): ну и зачем вы это сделали?

откат
Luzandro (2023-01-17 07:08:28+00:00): Hi,

vienna general purpose map as well as StreetView show that both Käthe-Jonas-Weg and Niederpointenstraße are dead end roads and the connection is not passable by car

as for Wagner-Jauregg-Weg: it's a relatively wide path, but not something that's typically called a pedestrian road. In any way, bicycle=yes should be added to allow routing.

the bumper can be entered with barrier=bollard
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dbollard
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JoBrou (2023-01-17 09:17:23+00:00): Dear Luzandro, 

thank you for you comment. Whenever I walk along Käthe-Jonas-Weg, I have to dodge the cars of local residents. You're right, the path is blocked off at the ends. But it is full of parked cars. Which class of path/road would fit best?

As for Wagner-Jauregg-Weg: Which class of path would fit best?

Regards, 

Josef
JoBrou (2023-01-17 09:18:26+00:00): N.B.: Cars enter Käthe-Jonas-Weg via Raimannstraße...
Luzandro (2023-01-18 05:59:56+00:00): Hello Josef,

don't you mean this section of Käthe-Jonas-Weg, which is full of parked cars?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1533180

This has been residential all the time, while you changed the connection for pedestrians and cyclists to Niederpointenstraße and explicitly set "cars" and "motor_vehicle" to yes. While the first one isn't even a valid access value, the latter tells routers that the path isn't actually blocked at the ends, but motor vehicles can freely drive through.

I've reverted this change and added a turning circle at the end of Käthe-Jonas-Weg (or more precisely the end that's reachable by car - the part that's only usable by bicycle or foot is still called "Käthe-Jonas-Weg")

I've also reverted Wagner-Jauregg-Weg to highway=footway and added
segregated=no
width=3
as well as the bollards.

Other than the parallel way Grüne Stube it's not actually signed as designated shared cycleway, so I've only set bicycle=yes and not bicycle=designated / highway=cycleway/path

regards
Andreas
Hon約 (2023-01-17 00:27:02+00:00): Thank you
Gonéo (2023-01-21 20:31:39+00:00): Attention, la limite de vitesse s'ajoute normalement en tant que propriété du segment sur lequel il faut l'appliquer.
Si la limite est ajoutée en tant que point isolé les routeurs ne savent pas à quoi rattacher l'info. Il vaudrait mieux supprimer ce point (et ceux des autres changesets) et appliquer le maxspeed sur le segment de la route. Il sera peut-être nécessaire de couper le segment si la limite varie selon la zone.
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AkuAnakTimur (2023-01-16 14:21:57+00:00): JOSM told me it's about 1000 objects being modified - let me know if I somewhat made a major boo boo
bxl-forever (2023-01-16 16:30:30+00:00): Hello,

Next time, please upload your changes *before* moving to another area.

You changed a house in Wemmel along with some other things in Auderghem/Oudergem.  As a consequence, your change appear to cover a huge area, this is annoying for review. :-(
eggie (2023-01-16 14:47:39+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privebericht. 
Feedback... Probeer niet te schuiven met de kaart..  Dat geeft vaak schade door onbedoelde verplaatsingen. Houd het gebied van je edits beperkt tot een straat. DSan eerst uploaden , uit de editmodus en dan pas naar een nieuw stukje schuiven op de kaart
Gebouwen worden geïmporteerd vanuit het kadaster.. Schuurtjes zonder bouwvergunning kun je uiteraard zelf intekeken als building=shed

MVG, 

Eggie 

Namens de OSM Community
archie (2024-06-17 17:16:18+00:00): Detta (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10559563729) är den snyggaste, mest ändamålsenliga, inovativa och intelligenta taggkombinationen jag har sett. Här var det någon som tänkte till! Hoppas den får större spridning.
Richard L (2024-06-17 19:35:35+00:00): Tackar för den uppmuntrande kommentaren. Känns lite tråkigt dock att inte hitta ett passande alternativ som visas på kartor. Taggningen är baserad på det övergivna förslaget https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Reuse. Alternativet give_box som föreslås där kändes inget vidare i det här fallet.
archie (2024-06-17 20:17:11+00:00): Ah, där kom det ifrån! liknande öde har just idag drabbat taggen tourism=tours, som hade passat bra på hållplatserna på guidade bussruntturer Hop on hop off här i Göteborg. Synd!
DressyPear4 (2023-01-17 21:34:22+00:00): Se é um trabalho para tcc, quando e como pretendia recuperar essas vias?
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jodd (2023-02-28 17:54:38+00:00): Hallo oha,
warum hast du denn die Fläche des Parkplatzes [1] vergrößert? In OSM geht der Parkplatz jetzt bis zur Mitte der Mainzer Landstraße und außerdem seht die Bushaltestelle jetzt auf dem Parkplatz. Auch der  Gehweg zwischen Straße und Parkplatz ist verschwunden. All das ist vor Ort eben anders. Ich denke, dass die Geometrie des Parkplatzes vor deiner Änderung genauer war.
VG jodd

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1053156017
jodd (2023-03-30 09:46:00+00:00): Schaust du dir das noch an? Ich finde es schade, dass ich von dir noch keine Rückmeldung bekommen habe.

Flächen neben Straßen (zum Beispiel Parkplätze), sollten grundsäzlich nicht direkt an die Linie der Straße angeflanscht werden.
jodd (2023-05-26 18:03:40+00:00): Hab das nun mit https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/136599573 korrigiert
eggie (2023-01-16 15:06:42+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privebericht. 

Feedback In OSM is het intekeken van huizen eigen het enige wat we niet zelf doen. we importeren uit de data van het Kadaster (BAG)
Dat wordt periodiek gedaan 
Je kunt dat versnellen door een verzoek te doen op het forum van OSM in het draadje BAG importverzoeken.
https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/communities/nl/43

MVG, 

Eggie 

Namens de OSM Community
eggie (2023-01-16 15:14:52+00:00): Vraag maar geen import aan, want het is nog niet ingemeten.
Ik het de BAG gegevens verder aangevuld. Nodig voor updates.
Het adres heb ik verwijderd van de omtrek. 
Mapse
eggie
Waaslander (2023-01-16 15:35:40+00:00): I have honestly no experience with route relations. So i did just the redrawing of the roads. Thanks for the corrections :)!
multimob (2023-01-16 15:43:18+00:00): No problem, the solution was not too difficult and now it will show beautifully on the map.

Is it a true roundabout with D7 signs (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgian_road_sign_D05.svg)?
If yes, we can put junction=roundabout instead of oneway=yes.
Waaslander (2023-01-16 18:11:57+00:00): Yes it is. I will switch the tags.
DressyPear4 (2023-01-17 21:29:33+00:00): Por que você está deletando todas essas vias?
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eggie (2023-01-16 15:08:23+00:00): Bij import verzoek komen de adresnode mee. Er horen geen adresgegevens op de omtrek. 
gr eggie
Fizzie-DWG (2023-01-20 06:42:02+00:00): DWG issue. User wasn't aware of the massive problems they were causing. Agreed to all edits being reverted & promises to be much more careful in future: Changeset: 131494206
jodd (2023-02-22 19:31:11+00:00): Hi Oha,
kurze Frage zu dem Parkplatz 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1132477606
den du eingetragen hast. Hast du den Parkplatz bewusst direkt an die Kleyerstraße anschließen lassen oder unbeabsichtigt? Zwischen Straße und Parkplatz ist ja ein gewisser Abstand und der Parkplatz ist in der Realität kleiner als jetzt bei uns. Außerdem führt der Gehweg parallel zur Kleyerstraße um den Parkplatz herum. 

Kannst du dir das bitte nochmal anschauen?

VG jodd
oha (2023-02-23 14:20:39+00:00): Der Parkplatz hat keine separate Zufahrt, sondern jeder einzelne Stellplatz wird direkt von der Straße über den Bürgersteig angefahren. Wenn man das anders besser darstellen kann ...
oha (2023-02-23 14:24:42+00:00): Sorry, ich habe die Situation verwechselt, ich trage die Zufahrt nach
jodd (2023-02-23 16:22:04+00:00): Danke ;-)
juminet (2024-01-23 09:01:14+00:00): Hello Jean-Louis, 

je révise les écoles de WB avec le challenge https://maproulette.org/challenge/42561/task/204354452. 

Tu as créé une école dans ce batiment:  https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1131134502 mais elle n'a pas de nom. Je viens d'ajouter l'école en face de ce batiment au numéro 2, qui se retrouve dans le catalogue officiel (et les tags étaient déjà mis sur un batiment). 

Penses-tu que ce batiment numéro 3 est aussi une école? Est-ce qu'il ne ferait pas partie de l'école en face? 

Happy mapping, 
Juminet
Jean-Louis Stanus (2024-01-23 10:09:55+00:00): Salut Julien,
Chouette challenge.
Je m'étais basé sur https://www.internats.be/internat/frasnes-lez-buissenal-iespscf-r%C3%A9sidence-darc
Non, je n'ai pas l'impression qu'il fasse partie du batiment d'en face. Je te laisse juge.
bxl-forever (2023-01-17 14:15:45+00:00): According to this user’s survey, this building is still there and still in use.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3521390
JhowieNitnek (2023-01-22 13:52:16+00:00): I will reverse the changeset
SomeoneElse_Revert (2023-02-07 08:02:38+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 132181774, 132186175 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some unsourced changes to OSM.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/6844 and the links from there.
SomeoneElse_Revert (2023-02-07 08:06:51+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 132181774, 132186175 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some unsourced changes to OSM.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/6844 and the links from there.
JassKurn (2023-01-23 17:57:07+00:00): Hi sec147. In this edit you changed a footway (crossing) to cycleway. The way is linked to below
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/819038103

Assume change done because it's part of a cycle route. But this section is a footway, An example of poor cycling infrastructure. I changed the way back to being a footway in changeset 131618190
sec147 (2023-02-12 20:28:01+00:00): Ok. I think I agree with you. Trouble is that some of the routing engines will now take cyclists on Hill Barton rd/Pinhoe rd. There's probably not a good tagging scheme for "this is a cycle route, but you have to walk across the road here" that works with routers. If only they's properly consider cyclists when designing junctions!
MxxCon (2023-01-17 07:11:55+00:00): Hello.
The provided website is invalid.
Also does this new restaurant still uses the same phone number as the old one?
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pebblebarnyc (2023-01-17 15:21:10+00:00): Hello, I entered the web address incorrectly and will also have to update it again later when we start the website for this specific one. The current website is for the hospitality group. As for the phone number, I’m assuming it will be the same one, but it could change. We open in February so I was preemptively setting this up so it’ll be ready when we start.
MxxCon (2023-01-17 15:30:00+00:00): If this place is not open yet then it's incorrect to map it in OSM as active..
Once the business is open, by all means add it _with correct info_.
sputinyk (2023-01-17 22:59:53+00:00): ha realineado los carriles aquí en función de la imagen, pero la imagen que está desalineada, voy a volver a lo que era antes.
MaestroKissaki (2023-01-17 23:18:01+00:00): Saludos Sputinyk, espero las demás modificaciones estén bien.
SomeoneElse_Revert (2023-02-07 08:01:52+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 132181774, 132186175 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some unsourced changes to OSM.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/6844 and the links from there.
legofahrrad (2023-07-23 10:35:45+00:00): Hallo lberges,
bei diesem Änderungssatz hast du keine Quelle für deine ergänzten und geänderten Daten angegeben. Woher hast du deine Informationen über die Straßennamen?
Über eine kurze Rückmeldung deinerseits freue ich mich.
Beste Grüße!
lberges (2023-07-23 23:34:53+00:00): Oh je, so lange her. Die Post veröffentlicht neue Straßennamen, das ist i.d.R. die Quelle. Ferner:
https://weserreport.de/2018/01/bremen-bremen/stadtteile/west/neue-namen-in-der-ueberseestadt/
Romwriter (2023-08-12 14:17:20+00:00): Mögliche Quelle zu Relation 8448084 und 8448103 (Mühlenacker 4 und 6): <https://www.inneremission-bremen.de/standorte/#wohnen-muehlenacker-ehemals-am-rastplatz-524>
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eggie (2023-01-16 16:12:31+00:00): Hi Pitfire...   I think it's okay with concrete on the major path's  but the sidepaths alang the gravestones are surface=grass !
I did look with OBLIEk Slagboom@Peeters.
Greetz,
eggie
pitfire (2023-01-17 04:48:13+00:00): done
Ropino (2023-03-24 19:35:32+00:00): Hi,
here is the next problem:
maxspeed=9070
(was 90)
Please check/correct it.
Thx in advance
Max-Kritic (2023-03-25 19:02:12+00:00): Désolé
BCNorwich (2023-01-16 18:49:01+00:00): Hi, Welcome to OpenStreetMap

You somehow moved the gate to block the unclassified highway. I've moved it off of the public highway to the side where I think it ought to be.

Regards Bernard.
jpennycook (2023-01-16 16:08:59+00:00): Hi!.

When you're editing OSM, could you add a meaningful changeset comment, please?  These help other mappers to understand what changes you have made.  You might want to look at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments

Jon
Tatfahren (2023-01-16 18:30:45+00:00): Hello theGreatWhiteShark,
There is another problem with the opening-hours tag, it should always be in English, which means its not "Di" (Dienstag), it should be replaced with "Tu". If you want you can change it. I will add it to my to-do list, so i will look at it in some time anyway.

Thanks, Tatfahren
theGreatWhiteShark (2023-01-16 19:58:48+00:00): Hey Tatfahren,

Yeah, makes perfect sense. I was lured in by the abbreviation of Mo, Fr, and Sa. I'll take care of it.

How is internationalization handled within the `note` tag? Should it be in English as well or is it subject to the official language of the country the node is located in?
Tatfahren (2023-01-17 05:25:42+00:00): You right, the note tags often use the language of the country, thats because there is no defined value a map have to render.

In this case the tag is used wrong, the note tag is for showing other mappers something that could be useful for other mappers, for example, "note=there is no defibrillator in this house, the sign isn't correct!"

I think it should be moved in the description=* tag. It also uses official or local country language, but it can be added with "description:de" or "description:en" and other county shortcuts.

I think i could say that all values a renderer defines an icon or a colour from must be in English, and text is normally in the local language.
Tatfahren (2023-01-17 05:45:02+00:00): I think its from a time where there wasn't a tag to describe the types of clothes sold. So he added a note for later mappers so they can add the value when its defined. On a short research i found this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:clothes

Maybe that's could be used to remove the note tag. We only have to find something to describe "ökologische".
theGreatWhiteShark (2023-01-18 15:55:17+00:00): > Maybe that's could be used to remove the note tag. We only have to find something to describe "ökologische".

I added 'children' and 'baby' tag to further describe the kind of clothes sold there.

"ökologische" is tricky as it is commonly used to give the goods sold a premium label. Whether this label is really applicable is probably rather difficult to determine and shouldn't be based on the shop's marketing. Putting it in the Description, however, feels fine.
Tatfahren (2023-01-18 16:22:50+00:00): I think we can delete the "ökologische", i don't think they only sell goods with that label, and you right, its advertise. --> advertising isn't allowed in most cases in osm. Also because it's 9 years old, and things like that often change over time.
Tatfahren (2023-01-18 16:35:04+00:00): I looked over the tags once again and found "organic=yes". I think that was what they mean with "ökologische", in Germany we have many names for organic products also when i know that "ökologische" normally mean other things.
theGreatWhiteShark (2023-01-24 19:48:31+00:00): Sorry for the late reply.

> advertising isn't allowed in most cases in osm

On a second thought the data base wouldn't improve by marking all cloth stores simply as 'cloth' and omitting further information either. It's definitely more pricey and most probably more fair trade than big clothing shop chains.
Palolo (2023-02-10 18:32:58+00:00): Thank you for adding these names to OSM. Please look at the OSM description for place=city https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place
Many of these places look like hamlets or villages.
mtmail (2023-01-20 13:32:22+00:00): Are the address updates part automated? The addr:postcode is '-' for three separate addresses in OSM. Maybe that can be avoided in the future?
m@rio (2023-01-20 14:28:15+00:00): Hi mtmail :) 
Partially automated is retrieval of data from the source. Adding to the database is done and verified manually. 
I can't find addresses with addr:postcode is '-'. Could you please point out to me the specific points of your concern?
mtmail (2023-01-20 14:32:39+00:00): You can see them here https://nominatim.org/qa/#map=13.16/52.38/17.08&layer=postcode_bad_format but I fixed them already today. No problem. With the source=swarzedz.e-mapa.net I wasn't sure how much is automated.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10559700206
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10559700202
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10559700195
m@rio (2023-01-20 14:42:38+00:00): Indeed! ;) 
I will set additional validation for such errors. 
And thanks for your correction! :)
BCNorwich (2023-01-16 18:56:11+00:00): No need to delete service roads Just tag them as private same as the gates. They do exist.
SomeoneElse_Revert (2023-02-07 08:06:23+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 132181774, 132186175 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some unsourced changes to OSM.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/6844 and the links from there.
habi (2023-01-17 07:01:01+00:00): Ciao EA_17

Willkommen bei OpenStreetMap!
Schön machst du hier mit und hilfst, die Karte und die Kartendaten zu pflegen.

Oftmals sind solche Zufahrten namenlos, ist das ächt hier nicht auch der Fall?

Ä Gruess usem Liebifäud,
habi
Zandu (2023-11-16 15:09:02+00:00): Not an import. Hand drawn from imagery and survey. Removed tags were placed onto relations. No tags were lost.
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silversurfer83 (2023-01-17 09:58:31+00:00): Moin
an dieser Stelle wäre dann ein landuse=construction ganz sinnvoll. Auf den Luftbildern ist noch eine ganze Weile der alte Rewe zu sehen, um zu verhindern, dass nun wieder jemand den alten Rewe einzeichnet gibt es die sogenannten Lifecycle Prefixes. Die setzt man vor die relevanten tags. Dann "verschwindet" das abgerissene Gebäude beim nächsten Update von der Karte aber im Editor sieht man die Umrisse noch. Auch ein "note" für andere Mapper ist dann ganz hilfreich.
Hier passende wikiartikel dazu
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Lifecycle_prefix
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:note
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Ygramul (2023-01-20 21:25:42+00:00): Was https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1132496256 angeht, denke ich, sollte highway=service reichen, eventuell mit access=private. highway=service ist ein Zufahrtsweg; ob das jetzt zu einer Baustelle geht, ist dafür unerheblich. construction=path kann allerdings weg; das wird in Kombination mit highway=construction verwendet, um anzudeuten, daß nach Fertigstellung ein highway=path dort ist.

Die Frage ist allerdings, ob man eine Baustellenzufahrt, die tendenziell temporär ist, wirklich mappen will. Wenn da hinterher auch eine Straße ist, dann natürlich schon.
Eigmax66 (2023-01-22 13:45:28+00:00): Okay, verstehe. Ob das eine Straße wird kann ich nicht 100% bestätigen, wirkt aber für eien Baustellenzufahrt schon sehr stabil gebaut. (Auf der Internetseite des Bauprojektes 'Bachwiese Zirndorf' sieht es allerdings schon fast so aus, mit einer zweiten Zufahrt irgendwo im Bereich gegenüber der Feldstraße. Genauen Plan habe ich allerdings nicht gefunden). Ich setze jetzt jedenfalls mal auf 'service', und dann muß man halt später verbessern wenn das Luftbild aktueller ist. Danke für Kommentar!
silversurfer83 (2023-01-17 10:03:14+00:00): Ist schon in Ordnung, auch wenn der Kollege (pitfyre?) es anders sieht.
Aber der Kommentar von anon ist schon recht amüsant. Wenn er/sie diskutieren möchte soll die Meldung halt mit Nutzerkonto erfolgen, dann kann man sich unterhalten
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Frans S (2023-01-19 14:31:46+00:00): Thanks for mapping here.
Please square each building you map with the Q key.
Best regards
Thibaultmol (2023-01-17 12:35:18+00:00): Hey, i'm also mapping a lot of solar panels atm. Don't forget to add generator:output:electricity=yes or =small_installation (if it's just a small residential installation) to each solar panel installation. See wiki for more info: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:generator:source%3Dsolar#Rooftop_Solar_Panels
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Zandu (2023-11-16 15:08:06+00:00): Moved tags from ways when creating relations. No tags were lost.
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Fizzie-DWG (2023-01-20 06:14:27+00:00): DWG issue. User wasn't aware of the massive problems they were causing. Agreed to all edits being reverted & promises to be much more careful in future: changeset/131493403
Aleksandar Matejevic (2023-01-17 10:45:41+00:00): I have removed the coastline tag since it is not used properly. I have not deleted the way itself, can you describe what you wanted to tag or we should just delete it?
Nakaner-repair (2023-03-09 10:58:30+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 133474038 where the changeset comment is: Revert all changesets by user Kraftfahrzeugsteuernummer. See comments to changesets 131347319 and 131347634 for details.