piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
Glassman (2023-02-02 20:09:00+00:00): Same issue - access=no doesn't seem right.
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eerib (2023-02-02 07:47:03+00:00): Hello Coast59,

Welcome to OpenStreetMap and thank you for doing your first contributions. Unfortunately, this contribution and your others appears to go against OpenStreetMap policies and therefore I have reverted the deletions (Changesets 131985008, 131984944, 131984825).

Please refer to the Ground Truth policy.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ground_truth

Other than the OpenStreetMap policies there are a few other reasons why backcountry features should be on OpenStreetMap. A few of these reasons include:

1. The location of these backcountry features is critical for user safety. The Cloudburst cabin is in an area regularly used by ski touring and peak bagging groups. Also, note that the Cloudburst cabin is available on other maps such as BackRoadMapBooks and Bivouac.

2. Professional organizations rely on OpenStreetMap data, including the BC WIldfire Service, BC Ambulance Service, BC RCMP, and Search & Rescue groups. There has already been at least two search and rescue cases related to the two sauna cabins.

3. Deleting the backcountry features from the map only invites it to be re-added soon after by someone who perceives it to be missing.

If you disagree with my revert of your deletions then the appropriate approach would be to open a formal dispute with the OpenStreetMap Data Working Group (DWG). If you do open a dispute, please include a link to this changeset discussion. Please note that the DWG has already been contacted regarding the sauna cabin features in the past.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes

Thank you again for joining OpenStreetMap. - eerib
Coast59 (2023-02-05 07:14:51+00:00): The builder of the sauna explicitly asked (see posted sign on the sauna entrance) to avoid sharing the place on social media or advertising its location. The only reason it exists is because of thousands of hours of work and planning by someone who welcomes others to enjoy it and share personally, but not digitally. It's utterly disrespectful to disregard this request. I have multiple friends who work in Squamish SAR, they do not need this posted on OSM in order to be effective, it's a rather poor excuse. All it does is draw more users to a totally unmanaged area, which results in more search and rescue calls, environmental damage and again, total disrespect of the builder's time and efforts.
eerib (2023-02-07 02:56:08+00:00): Hello Coast59,

I understand that the saunas were to be kept secret. My philosophy surrounding secret features is to only add those that are frequently visited and/or widely known and referenced (i.e. they’re no longer secret). If it’s a borderline case, I will add the feature but leave out specific tags that ensure the feature does not shown up on carto and on data consumers (websites/apps) but is still viewable by emergency and rescue services (more than just SAR groups). I do not believe the saunas are secret anymore, nor a borderline case, and that is why I added them to OpenStreetMap. I have compiled a few examples to illustrate my case.

1. The Strava Heatmap shows plenty of publicly shared activities - https://i.imgur.com/00N2wgn.jpg

2. The AllTrails Community Content shows plenty of publicly shared recorded activities and maps - https://imgur.com/a/zb5AELF

3. There is plenty of public social media posts about the saunas

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncQVUlimSNc
- https://www.tiktok.com/@thingz.about.me/video/6971564764325481733
- https://www.tiktok.com/@jdoms.pizza/video/7181564702605069574
- https://www.tiktok.com/@jdoms.pizza/video/7106949105812868358
- https://www.tiktok.com/@jdoms.pizza/video/7106952092295728390
- https://www.tiktok.com/@fraaaaaaaancis/video/6991963400825801989
- https://www.instagram.com/p/ClwWSByvmXC/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/CeooaP8vklr/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/CMN36Nxp5CX/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/CjUECX5rhAJ/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl3_sxbpYDo/
- https://www.facebook.com/groups/1117796184947213/posts/5706569569403162/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/Squamish/comments/zlezom/saunas_in_the_mamquam/

I do realize that even if a feature is no longer secret a stakeholder, such as the builder, may still not want the feature shared digitally. This is troublesome because many stakeholders may not want a feature shared digitally. Examples include neighborhood associations, forestry and mining companies, parks organizations, trail builders, etc. Removing features because a stakeholder did not want it shared digitally would degrade the database and impact user safety. This is why OpenStreetMap has a Ground Truth policy and tags that allow one to describe a feature in detail.

With all this said, I welcome feedback regarding my philosophy and what measures should be used to determine if a feature is no longer secret.

Cheers, eerib
Coast59 (2023-02-07 03:37:26+00:00): Yes, there are sadly some social media posts on the saunas, most don't geo-tag the location, so even if the fact a sauna's existance is maybe known to some, it's a huge barrier to entry without a clear location. Also, you need to follow said accounts in order to discover it - a significant barrier to entry. Posting this on OSM means anyone, everywhere, on any app that consumed OSM data suddenly sees it - people that had no clue it existed suddenly know. It means that a feature goes from mild sustainable use to thousands. Exponential growth. I guarantee you that these saunas will get removed once this happens and it will happen so quick. It's such a shame, I don't understand how you don't see this??

The safety argument I just don't buy. I had a conversation with a friend from Squamish SAR on this exact issue just the other day. You referenced SAR incidents at the site; you'll then likely recall that when SAR pulled the couple from the sauna island after the river level shot up that the formal SAR incident report made no mention of a sauna! That was a very intentional attempt by the organization to respect a local builder's efforts. Moreover, SAR uses their own *private* CalTopo map DB, which includes literally hundreds of secret trails in the Sea to Sky that are not on OSM and hopefully will never be. They really don't need help in this regard. They'd love help from an on the ground volunteering capacity though!! 

I don't think what you are doing is a community service or actually benefits the common good. Keeping these things of social media means you introduce a natural filter, a barrier to entry - allowing people who truly want it to put in effort, search for it and find it, feel that reward and be able to enjoy it and actually experience the magical solitude that these types of places provide. 

You say this case is borderline, considering the direct appeal from the builder, I'd imagine out of respect for their efforts, taking a more conservative approach would be appropriate.
eerib (2023-02-07 22:30:38+00:00): Hello Coast59,

You're correct that the social media posts do not geo-tag the location but the dozens of public recorded activities and maps on Strava, AllTrails, Gaia, TrailForks, etc. do geo-tag the location and provide directions. Additionally, there has been social media posts in the past that did provide direction information, but they were taken down either by the creator or by report spamming.

The saunas are already seeing excessive growth due to natural word of mouth sharing and the recorded activities and maps. This is shown by the comments on various social media posts referring to a period prior to the saunas being mapped on OSM:

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"The city-its have already blown it out."

"The spots are already doomed."

"Even in the last six months it seems like it’s exploded. Anyone I’ve run into there says they’re from Vancouver. I can’t remember the last time I met someone who was in the sauna and lived in town."

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The way the trails leading to the saunas and the saunas themselves are currently mapped (i.e. removal of tourism=wilderness_hut tag from the saunas back in early December) should provide a barrier to discoverability. If we take a look at the way various data consumers present the data we can see that only FatMaps is still using the tourism=wilderness_hut tag to highlight the location of the buildings. Once FatMap updates their OSM data it should remove this highlighting of the location. Further, more responsible apps such as AllTrails and Gaia GPS are showing the trails with less emphasis.

https://imgur.com/a/hsRxqqm

I do realize there has been SAR cases in the area in the past and that SAR volunteers may not want the features mapped for fear of further cases. However, if we removed all features that a stakeholder, like SAR volunteers, wanted removed it would degrade the database and lead to impacted user safety. Do we start removing all unsanctioned double black diamond mountain bike trails? Do we start removing all informal scrambling/climbing routes? Do we start removing all unsanctioned backcountry cabins near avalanche terrain? It's a slippery slope and hence why the Ground Truth policy exists. I should also point out that SAR is not the only emergency stakeholder in this situation. There is also BC Ambulance Service, BC Wildfire Service, Fire Rescue, and other groups.

There are still plenty of features for users to stumble upon and enjoy. There are well over 100 unsanctioned backcountry cabins in the South Coast region that I have purposely left off OSM, including several within a 10km radius of the saunas. Those cabins are not frequently visited and are not widely referenced online - the key difference. Those cabins will also be visited primarily by new users stumbling upon them unlike the saunas.

Cheers eerib
eerib (2023-02-02 07:48:51+00:00): This Changeset was reverted along with others by Changeset #131990303.

A discussion comment can be found in Changeset #131984825

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/131984825
Glassman (2023-02-02 19:46:42+00:00): Can you review this edit. None of the imagery show a building the size of one you added.
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CurlingMan13 (2023-02-14 06:23:05+00:00): What exactly did you do?  Please use good changeset comments to answer the basic queetion of "What did you do?" And "Why did you do it?"

Good changeset comments are important on OSM so data can be verified and checked.
eerib (2023-02-02 07:49:07+00:00): This Changeset was reverted along with others by Changeset #131990303.

A discussion comment can be found in Changeset #131984825

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/131984825
Glassman (2023-02-02 20:11:37+00:00): #TIP: to add a bench, just add a node next to the trail/footway tagged with amenity=bench. The editor can prompt you to added additional info like does it have a backrest, the number of seats, what it is made of, etc. Also - we don't use descriptive name. The tags should be sufficient.
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Glassman (2023-02-02 20:14:09+00:00): #TIP: Just add the tag access=no.
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felipeeugenio (2023-02-02 11:41:03+00:00): Estimado
puede cuadrar las estructuras usando la letra Q en su editor.
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felipeeugenio (2023-02-02 11:55:29+00:00): Estimado. Si se fija bien,: hay casas y caminos en sus praderas.

Ahí le cuadré las casas y le arreglé un poco la zona para que pueda jugar tranquilo, pero por favor no insistir con polígonos esquemático.

El uso de scrub que hizo me parece correcto. Las praderas las reformulé y las pasé a grassland. Además agregué más casas.

Lamentablemente no hay tags para todo lo que existe en el mundo.

Por favor tomarse en serio el mapeo .

saludos
felipeeugenio (2023-02-02 12:07:19+00:00): hasta rejas puse
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SebaVC (2023-02-03 04:09:17+00:00): Hola Felipe, Agradezco la ayuda, en realidad no incorporé las demás casas o cosas que no se veían en el mapa principalmente porque no se veían y no reconocía el cuadrado de las casas y caminos. 
por otra parte no entendí eso de jugar, en realidad estoy tomando bien en serio el actualizar lo que me modificas, tal vez me equivoque por lo novato del este mapa, por ejemplo eso de cuadrar las casas que no se ven o los caminos y rejas, pero insisto y realice la corrección de no colocar pastizal en lugares que faltaba. 
Te agradezco el apoyo y el aprendizaje que me has dado con el sistema del OSM. Saludos.
felipeeugenio (2023-02-03 12:20:16+00:00): Buena. esa es la actitud.
Saludos
Glassman (2023-02-02 19:49:38+00:00): #TIP: square buildings by  selecting the outline then just type a "q"
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Scout Jens (2023-02-03 06:44:52+00:00): Der Zufahrtstummel ist meines Wissen und nach Meinung Anderer die reine Lehre von OSM, da der Parkplatz sonst nicht an das Straßennetz angeschlossen ist.
MarkusHD (2023-02-03 08:12:33+00:00): In OSM soll die Realität abgebildet werden und an der Stelle ist nunmal keine besondere Zufahrt.
Hast du irgendwelche Referenzen dafür, dass zu diesem Vorgehen Konsens herrschen soll? Zu Parkplätzen kann auch ohne direkten Anschluss ans Straßennetz geroutet werden, sonst müsste auch jede Adresse und jeder POI per highway=* angebunden werden.
Scout Jens (2023-02-03 20:27:09+00:00): Eventuell waren es auch nur einzelne Meinungen. Osmose hat immer gemotzt, wenn ein Parkplatz nicht verbunden war. Ich habe im wiki jetzt tatsächlich nichts dazu gefunden. Schönes Argument auch mit den Adressen ;-)
Na dann kann ich das mit dem Anbinden jetzt ja auch lassen. Manchmal passt straßenseitiges Parken besser. 
Danke für den Austausch und viele Grüße
mavl (2023-04-25 09:05:04+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 135307362, 135331978, 135327734, 135318197, 135323168 where the changeset comment is: Hi all. The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: valid data are deleted - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/7056].
Glassman (2023-02-02 20:15:26+00:00): #TIP: square buildings by selecting the outline then just type a "q"
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archpdx (2023-02-02 06:05:02+00:00): Thanks for updating this!
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Langlaeufer (2023-02-02 09:51:30+00:00): the connection between sidewalk and street is not private
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mubshh (2023-02-03 04:46:11+00:00): Hello,

Thank You for looking into my changeset and making the edit. I added private access to the segment due to the presence of lift gate at both the ends and since no other entities where present before the gate I did not split the segment. Thank You for your insights , looking forward to learn more.

Regards,
mubshh
Frank Peng (2025-11-23 20:06:25+00:00): This changeset has been reverted in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/174973672.
Glassman (2023-02-02 20:18:54+00:00): It looks like you accidently dragged 28th Avenue. I fixed it.
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Glassman (2023-02-02 19:53:11+00:00): #TIP: check out the wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dshooting_ground for help with tagging rifle/gun ranges.
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Steelwing (2023-02-06 14:49:21+00:00): Поправка: Екпинди а не Еркенди
Glassman (2023-02-02 19:55:47+00:00): You can ignore my earlier comment. I see you found the right tags. Also - no need to add a descriptive name to the building unless they are actually named.
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Palolo (2023-02-02 15:07:45+00:00): Please follow the instructions to accurately map each building.
SekeRob (2023-02-03 08:52:54+00:00): Hi,

Sorry about the "incorrect" name change of operator. It's in fact the ID editor tag upgrade wizard that filled this in changing Transdev Valence Mobilité to Transdev Valence resulting in a mismatch of operator name between the route and the route master which then is flagged in Osmose the next day. ID simply asks "upgrade the tags".
The person I communicated w/ in past was bhouse (Github name suggestion index (NSI)), about 1-1.5 years ago, on another preset-wizard mistake.

ciao
Patchi (2023-02-03 09:41:16+00:00): Hi SekeRob,

No problem as I do know this problem with ID and not updated NSI Names. 
The change in NSI for the update of the operator is already in place (https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/pull/7742). Usually it take a few days before it is active in NSI and in the time I can manage it. So please feel free to make your changes as you planed.

Best regards,

Patchi.
josgburke (2023-02-02 07:40:44+00:00): correction: 14
Palolo (2023-02-02 15:06:00+00:00): We appreciate the effort to help us map Tanzania, but ask that you would learn how to accurately map buildings. There are links to resources in the project instructions. Thank you
warkaree (2023-02-02 07:24:40+00:00): नमस्कार स्वप्नील,

osm वर तुमचे स्वागत आहे. तुम्ही पुण्यात/महाराष्ट्रात osm वर माहिती जोडत आहात ह्याचा मला आनंद आहे. माझी एक विनंती आहे. जेव्हा तुम्ही एखाद्या गोष्टीला नाव देता (name = xyz हे टॅग वापरुन), तेव्हाच त्या गोष्टीला मराठीत पण जोडू शकला तर आनंद होईल. मराठी नाव जोडायला name:mr हा टॅग वापरायला लागतो. उदाहरण - 
name:mr=संजीवनी रुग्णालय

अधिक माहिती इथे - 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India#Naming_in_different_scripts_and_languages

इथे पहाल तर जगभरात फक्त १४,००० मराठी भाषेतली नावे जोडली गेली आहे. तो आकडा वाढवण्याच्या दृष्टीने मी प्रयत्न करत आहे.
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/name:mr#overview

तुम्हाला काही मदत हवी असल्यास मला विचारू शकता. धन्यवाद :)
Swapnil Khambayat (2023-02-03 11:28:39+00:00): Thank you so much Mr. Wakadkar for your kind suggestion. I'll definitely use these tags & keys for Marathi Information.
Robert Beasley (2023-02-02 09:36:41+00:00): 热点新闻→OSM账号鸡增→背后一定是鸡金会的阴谋（逃
databox (2023-02-02 10:24:13+00:00): 挺好。可以丰富一下当地的数据。不然都没人编辑小县城
Hokkosha (2023-02-09 09:00:09+00:00): はじめまして。高松市の屋島周辺をマッピングされましたが、ウェイやエリアになっておらずタグも付いていない独立したノードが多数見受けられます。
屋島中学校の敷地内などを見ると、テニスコートやプールなどのエリアを描こうとして四隅のノードだけを描かれたように見えます。
今一度ご確認いただいてエリアやウェイを作成していただくか、もし差し支えなければ私の方で修正させていただければと思います。
よろしくお願いします。
Hokkosha (2023-02-12 02:09:57+00:00): Hello,
You added many isolated nodes without any tags around Yashima, Takamatsu city.
Would you correct them to area (buildings, landuse, or others)?
Or can I re-write them?
Thank you.
user_8655426 (2023-02-12 12:02:31+00:00): Hello spiffingchocolate,
You may have failed to upload this changeset.

https://osmcha.org/changesets/131990042/

Do you still have the ".osm file" for this changeset?
impiaaa (2023-02-02 18:29:23+00:00): Please remember to save your changes in one area before moving on to another, to keep changesets to a reasonable size.
fachonka (2023-02-09 11:24:10+00:00): Hello, 

Thank you for your support, we always confine our edits to small geographical location. This is an honest mistake from my end, thanks for highlighting this issue, I'll ensure to not repeat such errors again. Thank you again, always happy to learn from community.
nw520 (2023-06-18 00:13:52+00:00): Hi amsshalo, are you absolutely sure that https://osm.org/way/24408696 is oneway only? Mapillary imagery suggests otherwise.
amsshalo (2023-06-21 10:42:02+00:00): Hi,
Thank you for reviewing the changeset and reversing my changes.
The modest physical structure confused me for a physical median.
I'll be more careful in similar situations in the future.
Looking forward to learn more from you.
Thank you.
Dimacn (2023-02-02 11:58:25+00:00): Пожалуйста не добавляйте новые дороги поверх существующих, вы их дублируете таким образом. В данном случае дорога https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1137180559  стала уже третьей поверх! Кто этот вандализм будет исправлять? Просто редактируйте уже существующие дороги. 2. Пожалуйста придерживайтесь соглашения о наименовании улиц в OSM https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Россия/Соглашение_об_именовании_дорог  Должно быть: Зелёная улица, улица Алёхинская.  3. На этой дороге нет знаков ограничения скорости 40, поэтому не надо прописывать тег maxspeed
Mateusz Konieczny (2025-05-02 12:31:27+00:00): Hello!

You used
mtb:scale=10
on https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/226721771/history

Have you maybe meant
mtb:scale=1
?

I am pretty sure that it is a typo, but not sure enough to just replace it (I edited some objects where situation seemed more clear to me).

Or have you used this value deliberately? In such case, what was the intended meaning?

If it is a mistake - can you fix it?
Syl (2023-02-08 10:36:37+00:00): Bonjour, j'ai corrigé en enlevant que c'est un bar, ajouter shop=vacant ne suffisait pas.
tleguern (2023-02-09 13:36:11+00:00): Merci !
NorthCrab_upload (2023-02-02 09:01:22+00:00): Zauważyłem, że Twoja zmiana zawiera niepoprawne adresy. Przygotowałem listę obiektów oraz dodatkowe informacje:

Adres jest niekompletny, brakuje informacji o miejscowości.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/128181158

Pozdrawiam! 🦀
NorthCrab (2023-02-02 09:19:04+00:00): Przepraszam za błędnie wysłaną wiadomość, nie ty wprowadziłeś tę zmianę.
taxi301 (2023-02-03 08:33:02+00:00): poprawiałem obrys , brak miasta był tu od 11 lat , nie zauważyłem
NorthCrab (2023-02-02 08:49:53+00:00): Witaj, fajnie jakbyś dodał nazwę tego sklepu (jeśli ma). Ułatwi to weryfikację i przyszłe edycje. Pozdrawiam!
NorthCrab (2023-02-02 08:53:03+00:00): Dodałem tutaj jeszcze amenity=	fire_station aby oznaczyć że jest tutaj aktywna straż pożarna, a nie tylko sam budynek. Dzięki za tyle nowych edycji! Pozdrawiam!
eggie (2023-02-02 10:19:11+00:00): Dag rnieuwpoort..

Ik kijk even verder, want het lijkt me niet correct op deze manier.
access=no - algemeen verbod (Verboden Toegang) is bijna altijd verkeerd icm andere accesstags. 
Google mag helaas niet als bron worden gebruikt en dus ook niet worden genoemd. 
Je edits https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=131991851
foot=yes bicycle=yes hoef je niet op wegen te taggen. Dat is default. 

Maar ik zal even (stiekem)  naar je hyperlink kijken  :)

MVG
eggie
eggie (2023-02-02 10:42:40+00:00): acccss=no heb ik verwijderd.
motor_vehicle=no heb ik even veranderd in  mototvehicle=destination  
moped en mofa = yes toegevoegd. Dat geldt ook voor de oostzijde Schoolpad. 
Halverwege de straat staat (stond) een slingerhek. Is dat gebleven sinds de renovatie? Dat heb ik in ieder geval toegevoegd. Op het Schoolpad staat halverwege een paaltje. Ook toegevoegd. 
Kortom. De straat Hennepad zal voor regulier verkeer niet meer routeren. 
Groet
eggie
eggie (2023-02-02 12:53:48+00:00): typo motor_vehicle=destination
rnieuwpoort (2023-02-03 06:27:36+00:00): Top Thanks voor de feedback
habi (2023-02-02 08:29:36+00:00): Und Einiges an die Swisstopo Orthofotos angepasst.
NorthCrab (2023-02-02 08:56:01+00:00): Zamieniłem to oznaczenie na kindergarten - to jest poprawna nazwa/oznaczenie przedszkól. Pozdrawiam!
eggie (2023-02-02 09:53:22+00:00): Dag Keolis CT  
Wat was het probleem dan hier?

Het stond toch niet op eenrichtingsverkeer. 
Je edits

https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=131992298

oneway=no is gewoon default op alle wegen. Dat hoef je niet toe te voegen.

MVG
eggie
eggie (2023-02-02 09:58:20+00:00): De enige uitzondering is dat bussen wel links en recht af mogen slaan. Dat zou kunnen worden toegevoegd aan de afslagbeperking. Die klopt hier overigens ook niet. Het zou moeten zijn alleen rechtdoor behalve bussen.
Ik zal het aanpassen.
MVG
eggie