piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
gscholz (2023-03-20 09:17:42+00:00): Hi Nadia,
this changeset has created errors in the OSM database regarding overlapping ways:

https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routing&lon=-74.14130&lat=4.61632&zoom=11&baselayer=Geofabrik%20Standard&overlays=duplicated_edges%2Cduplicated_edges%2Cduplicated_edges_areas%2Cunconnected_open_ends_1

https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=133830531

As you may know, this kind of error irritates routing software an looks ugly on the maps.

Can your please fix this?
Kind regards
Guido
gscholz (2023-03-20 09:16:56+00:00): Hi Daniel,
this changeset has created errors in the OSM database regarding overlapping ways:

https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routing&lon=-74.14130&lat=4.61632&zoom=11&baselayer=Geofabrik%20Standard&overlays=duplicated_edges%2Cduplicated_edges%2Cduplicated_edges_areas%2Cunconnected_open_ends_1

https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=133830825

As you may know, this kind of error irritates routing software an looks ugly on the maps.

Can your please fix this?
Kind regards
Guido
NorthCrab_upload (2023-03-18 17:10:21+00:00): Zauważyłem, że Twoja zmiana zawiera niepoprawne adresy. Przygotowałem listę obiektów do poprawy oraz dodatkowe informacje:

Adres jest niekompletny, brakuje informacji o miejscowości.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/348392865

Pozdrawiam! 🦀
gscholz (2023-03-20 09:18:14+00:00): Hi David,
this changeset has created errors in the OSM database regarding overlapping ways:

https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routing&lon=-74.14130&lat=4.61632&zoom=11&baselayer=Geofabrik%20Standard&overlays=duplicated_edges%2Cduplicated_edges%2Cduplicated_edges_areas%2Cunconnected_open_ends_1

https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=133831128

As you may know, this kind of error irritates routing software an looks ugly on the maps.

Can your please fix this?
Kind regards
Guido
opendcc (2023-03-20 07:02:54+00:00): Hallo,

Woher stammt der Name Aigner da beim Stockergraben? Ist mir unbekannt und werde da auch mal nochmal vorbeifahren. Oder ist das Nametagging von Landuse mit Namen der Bewohner?
yrtimiD (2023-06-02 12:33:36+00:00): Two sides of Hamasger road are now in the north direction. Is this the correct direction?
Ilanride22 (2023-06-06 07:26:43+00:00): Yes, For sure. I did an extensive survey there in March. The western side of the street is mainly for public (taci+bus) vehicles and the eastern side is for local access to authorized vehicles.
yrtimiD (2023-06-06 20:52:30+00:00): Thanks for clarification! So, maybe eastern side should be marked as a service way or have some special access tagging?
WC392309 (2023-03-19 21:59:19+00:00): This was a necessary extension to the primary route. It makes it more complete with the interstate
Eifelkobold! (2023-03-19 23:15:24+00:00): Hi thetornado76,

mir ist aufgefallen, dass du in deinem Änderungssatz mehrere Poststationen zu Packstationen umgetaggt hast. Poststationen bilden aber eine eigenen Produktkategorie. Dort kann man z.b. auch Porto kaufen und Briefe einwerfen. Auch wenn das momentane Tagging vielleicht noch nicht optimal ist, sollten diese Stationen meiner Meinung nach nicht einfach zu Packstationen werden. 

Außerdem hast du Öffnungszeiten an mehreren Paketstationen ergänzt. In diesem Fall war zwar alles richtig, dennoch würde mich interessieren, wie du (ohne Ortskenntnis) sicherstellst, dass diese auch stimmen? Ich frage auch deshalb, da als Quelle nur "Wiki" angegeben ist.

viele Grüße

Eifelkobold
thetornado76 (2023-03-20 05:23:06+00:00): Hallo Eifelkobold,
Eine Poststation ist mir bisher noch nicht untergekommen. Diese Unterscheidung kannte ich bisher nicht. Danke für diese Info!
Die Öffnungszeiten habe ich dort ergänzt, wenn vom Luftbild bzw. tagging erkennbar war, dass es sich außerhalb eines Gebäudes befindet, bspw. auf einem Parkplatz. Dann können diese 24/7 erreicht werden. Andere Öffnungszeiten fasse ich nicht an.
Viele Grüße
thetornado76
eggie (2023-03-19 09:42:33+00:00): Hoi ttt   one featrure one element.
Dus het grote vlak is niet ook nog  de pitch, maar leisure=sports_centre met sport= tennis.. (geen recreation_ground in dit geval) 
De pitches liggen er dan apart in. 
Ik heb wat aangepast ter Leering ende Vermaeck.
CTRL-F5
eggie (2023-03-19 09:43:58+00:00): typo one feature one element
Evt zou je van twee tennisbanen ook één pitch kunnen maken. 
Dan krijg je drie velden. 

Groet
eggie
eggie (2023-03-19 09:46:42+00:00): Volgens mij is het verder oke.
tttnnn24 (2023-03-19 10:11:55+00:00): Prachtig. Ik heb Leo al gevraagd HOE hij die verknoopte ways in dat wilde groen had opgelost. Ik interpreteerde tot nu een sports_centre als een gebouw; een tennishal bijvoorbeeld

ttt moet nog veel leren :)
tttnnn24 (2023-03-19 10:15:52+00:00): building=sports_hall; right...
eggie (2023-03-19 10:49:03+00:00): De aanpassingen van Leo https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=133841529
Dat vlak maakt op twee plaatsen een 'uitstapje' Selecteer die rode lijngedeelten maar.
Vandaar dat het eerst niet renderde.
Langlaeufer (2023-03-18 18:10:47+00:00): Ich hab mal die Fahrtrichtung (oneway) noch dazu gepackt.
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katensen (2023-03-18 18:24:22+00:00): Danke!

Könnten Sie auch den anderen Weg überprüfen? Er ist wegen der GVH-Buslinie etwas komplizierter.

https://osmcha.org/changesets/133629679
Langlaeufer (2023-03-18 18:47:27+00:00): Fährt der Bus in beide Richtungen oder nur von West nach Ost?
katensen (2023-03-18 18:53:50+00:00): Nur west nach ost (Katensen an der schule)
katensen (2023-03-18 18:57:28+00:00): Ecke Tinnenstraße ist beide Richtungen.
mavl (2023-03-24 10:29:57+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 134051515, 134045911, 134058112 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: incompatible source - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/6981].
Глеб (2023-03-30 13:05:41+00:00): Вы произвели неправильный перевод названия на другие языки, который не соответствует реальности.
MxxCon (2023-03-20 02:06:39+00:00): Hello.
Please split such edits into each airport individually.
Ilikebuildings (2023-03-20 22:31:47+00:00): Ok, I apologise, In the future, I'll do this. Thanks for letting me know.
Spaghetti Monster🍝 (2023-03-22 09:08:42+00:00): Greens and fairways shouldn't overlap.
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santamariense (2023-03-19 19:00:23+00:00): Olá rogeriocs,

Perceba que a fonte de onde veio o nome (Bing) usa exatamente o OSM. Ou seja, não se pode justificar a edição no OSM com base num mapa que usa dados do OSM. Pesquisei na internet e não encontrei citação nenhuma desse provável nome. Encontrei apenas um link para o Commons da Wikipédia, onde "alguém" teria subido alguma imagem.  De onde você obteve este nome? Quando uma municipalidade de fato dá nome aos logradouros, existe o mínimo de publicidade, que reflete em fontes confiáveis de busca na internet, como por exemplo, um projeto de lei pela câmara de vereadores que denomina um logradouro, como nesses exemplos [1].  Tampouco encontrei essa nomenclatura em outros mapas, nem ao menos na base de dados do IBGE que é comum adicionarem nomes populares a sua base. Nã havendo nenhuma fonte online, existe pelo menos alguma placa no local com este nome? Se sim, tem fotos?

Perceba que se o que estás tentando é fazer com que o nome "pegue", te digo que esta não é a ordem como as coisas funcionam.  Se você quer que aquela pessoa, desde que seja falecida, seja homenageada como nome de uma rua, leva o projeto a um vereador que tramitará na camara de vereadores um projeto para que esse via receba este nome. Depois disso, desde que vire lei, pode-se adicionar o nome à via.

[1] - https://leismunicipais.com.br/camara/ba/salvador?o=&q=denomina

[]'s

santamariense
rogeriocs (2023-03-19 19:45:11+00:00): Sou novo, Desculpe e obrigado pelas orientações. Já sei que não pode usar Google Maps e nem Bings Maps! Ainda estou aprendendo e sei que vou cometer alguns erros durante o aprendizado mais espero que tenha paciencia e me ajude a entender! Grato Rogerio
Dodko (2023-04-20 06:10:57+00:00): Pridal som chýbajúce PSČ pre Dunajov aby bola adresa kompletná
https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=135131581
user_6110846 (2023-03-31 04:30:36+00:00): правку скасовано 

тому що у особистому листуванні (у "лічку") було надіслане прохання про підтвердження назв вулиць 

картограф відмовився надати підтвердження 

2/ помилкова зміна статусу дороги
Myazyk (2023-03-31 07:30:31+00:00): Картограф взагалі не встиг ше відповісти на повідомлення, а не відмовився
Mateusz Konieczny (2025-03-20 11:36:16+00:00): What you meant by fixme:type=damp proofing at https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10743760466/history ?
Firefishy (2025-03-20 13:45:05+00:00): What shop key value would fit for a shop that is advertising damp proofing services.
Mateusz Konieczny (2025-03-23 16:26:25+00:00): I edited to craft=damp_proofing_services (there was craft=damp proofing which was also rather rare ATYL tag, but in more unusual form)

feel free to edit.revert if you disagree at all
user_5359 (2023-03-24 15:49:42+00:00): Hello! Please have a look on https://www.osm.org/node/10743758695. What is the meaning of the tags
1-Services = مشاوره و وکالت در دعاوی
2-Services = حقوقی-کیفری
Lawyer and consultant = عباس علی حسین زاده
Services-3 = تجاری -امور خانواده
history = بازنشسته دادگستری
?
os-emmer (2023-12-28 02:43:15+00:00): Hallo lilafitness,
du hast hier ein Objekt mit addr:country=SA eingetragen. War das absicht?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9356229065
K12230LF (2025-12-16 16:29:31+00:00): Hello, it looks like that changeset erased all the tags on that way : https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/97225254/history
Đuro Jiří (2025-12-17 17:11:33+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2700868
K12230LF (2025-12-17 20:36:32+00:00): Got it thank you !
marczoutendijk_repair (2023-04-22 14:02:13+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 135228709, 135225625 where the changeset comment is: DWG revert due to fictional edits.
eggie (2023-03-19 08:57:06+00:00): Dag hj  Best lastig al die landuse.  De outers van de multipolygonen raken elkaar. Dat geeft een foutmelding.
Een stuk gras in een bosgebied hoort dan weer een inner te zijn anders zie je alles door elkaar.
Hier wat leesvoer
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Multipolygon_Examples

MVG
eggie
eggie (2023-03-19 09:08:56+00:00): mp aangepast.. naam op placenode gezet. Die kwam anders 2x voor.
MVG
eggie
Langlaeufer (2023-03-18 23:06:13+00:00): Hi Planvoll,
wenn du access=private setzt, dann sind alle Nutzungen privat - bicycle, foot, horse überflüssig.
wenn der Weg auch für Radfahren und Reiten gedacht ist, dann ist es kein Fußweg. sondern "path"
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Andrea Musuruane (2023-03-19 08:55:40+00:00): Ciao. Ma come fai a determinare la larghezza della strada? Avevi un metro dietro? Perché se la misuro dalle ortofoto ottengo delle misure completamente diverse.
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mikki65 (2023-03-19 21:24:52+00:00): sono 8 passi x 60 cm circa fa' 5 metri
e dalleortofoto quanto ti risulta escluso i marciapiedi?
Andrea Musuruane (2023-03-20 08:02:16+00:00): Premesso che la strada non ha la stessa larghezza in tutta la sua estensione, con Bing calcolo più di 7m, tra Via Palestro e Strada vecchia di Carisio, e 6m all'incrocio con Via Tagliamento.
mikki65 (2023-03-20 14:06:33+00:00): premesso che ho misurato dove l apps me lo ha chiesto  e misurando  con l apps di google  non mi sono sbgliato  prendero' un metro e misurero' la larghezza precisa ma non vedo cosa cambi 20  cm in piu' o meno
InsertUser (2023-03-21 20:12:58+00:00): On what basis?
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Joseph R P (2023-03-21 21:07:42+00:00): JFK Drive/New Providence Highway link the airport with Downtown Nassau

Bay/Shirley Streets link Downtown Nassau to the ferries and towards eastern Nassau

Eastern Road/Prince Charles Drive are the main routes through the eastern side of New Providence

The highways south of Downtown Nassau form a dual-carriageway bypass to link the airport and eastern areas
tyfi (2023-03-18 23:14:14+00:00): On second thought, should these be neighborhoods since Arnold itself can be considered a suburb of St. Louis? Either way, hamlet didn't seem right to me.
NorthCrab_upload (2023-03-18 20:10:24+00:00): 🗺️ Witaj na OpenStreetMap!

Zauważyłem, że Twoja zmiana zawiera nadmiarowe informacje. Przygotowałem listę obiektów do poprawy oraz dodatkowe informacje:

Paczkomat nie powinien mieć nazwy. Nazwa nadawana jest automatycznie, na podstawie wartości brand. Opcjonalnie, numer identyfikacyjny może być przekazany w polu ref.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10744049418
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10744049424

Dokumentacja paczkomatów (po polsku):
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pl:Tag:amenity%3Dparcel_locker

W razie problemów lub pytań, proszę pisać. Chętnie pomogę.
Pozdrawiam! 🦀
bwbuz (2024-10-11 10:20:04+00:00): Was sollen das für Gletscher sein?
Bitte die dazu hier geposteten Fehlermeldungen anschauen.
heretofore (2023-05-25 19:05:54+00:00): I support this. =)
user_18423416 (2023-05-25 20:33:36+00:00): Thank you. Trying to be logical.
emersonveenstra (2023-03-19 10:24:47+00:00): Hi,

You created a way with no tags here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1155303171 please fix this
emersonveenstra (2023-03-19 10:25:35+00:00): You also created two broken houses with unclosed segments, please fix these also
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1155303138
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1155303129
emersonveenstra (2023-03-24 10:57:51+00:00): Fixed, user not responding
map per (2023-03-19 08:33:40+00:00): Hallo opendcc,

ist der Hinweis 3602777 (1) damit erledigt oder fehlt noch was?

Viele Grüße
map per

(1) https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3602777
opendcc (2023-03-19 13:39:28+00:00): Das ist soweit erledigt. Surfaces in der Umgebung sind 'überprüfenswert', das muss ich noch mal vor Ort ansehen
Dimitar155 (2025-02-12 20:11:37+00:00): Hi Richard,

The mausoleum is gone since 1999. I don't think that this place is called like that anymore.
rhhs (2025-02-13 06:53:48+00:00): I don't remember why I added it, so if you think it's wrong, remove it
Dimitar155 (2025-02-13 13:30:02+00:00): Done. It seems to be because of https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3599994, which should've been in OHM, not in OSM :).
zorglubu (2023-03-19 12:54:02+00:00): Bonjour,
Le access=no n'est pas "faux" mais je trouve que dans ce cas "access=private" est sémantiquement préférable.
Par exemple s'il y a un gros rocher qui barre l'entrée,  access=no + bicycle=yes + foot=yes indique que l'accès est impossible à une voiture, même celle du propriétaire du lieu.
(je n'ai rien modifié dans OSM, je te laisse voir)
Cordialement.
bkil (2023-03-18 21:52:30+00:00): Tisztelt szerkesztő! Tájékoztatom, hogy a szerkesztése visszavonásra került mert az nem felel meg a térkép jelölési rendszerének. Körül tudná írni, hogy mit szeretett volna ábrázolni? Ezen kívül kérem ne használja a Bing légifelvételeit ahol annál jóval pontosabb is elérhető (Fömi 2007-2010, Maxar). Sarkonként változik, hogy hol jobbra, hol balra "húz" egy ilyen légifelvétel a valódi GPS pozíciójához képest, emiatt nem lehet kizárólag erre hivatkozni.
Waaslander (2023-03-19 09:39:26+00:00): Road profile doesn't say anything!
Only if the road has a N-number it can be considered highway=secondary
Frans S (2023-03-21 17:05:50+00:00): Hello. Thanks for joining this project.
A question; Did you not follow the beginners course to learn how to map ?
Your mappings here are that inaccurate and weird that we (validators) have to spend much time to correct all issues.
The issues.
A building need to be tagged as building=yes.
Each building need to be mapped accurate over the rooflines following all corners.
Yards, Walled yards are no part of a building.
each rectangular building need to be squared with the Q key.
In next message I give more general info about avoiding errors
Best regards
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Frans S (2023-03-21 17:07:29+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project.
As I mentioned in my previous message:

You are a new mapper. Welcome to HOTOSM.

We cannot expect that you are already familiar with all issues around mapping. Therefore, I inform you about the most issues,

In iDeditor, zoom in so far that the hidden objects are visible.(blue note on bottom line warns about hidden objects)
Please pay attention to next points:
Buildings are in general rather rectangular. Just 4, 6 or 8 nodes are sufficient.

Tag buildings as building=yes. Nothing more, no names.

Please map each building accurate over the rooflines and squared(rectangular only).


Don't connect nodes to other buildings or features.

The shadow of a building is not a part of the building. 

Do not cluster buildings. Each building need to be mapped individually.

See also this document:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11PsAW0bzUZHbS8YnbaFzqOYhJY7tSPYG/view?usp=share_link


Best regards and keep mapping !
Frans S
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ADAC Touristische InfoSysteme (2023-03-24 14:20:17+00:00): Hallo ToniE,
Danke für Deine Änderungen am Sylt-Shuttle.

Eine Frage zum Tagging: für eine  Zugverladung wurde bisher route=shuttle_train in OSM berücksichtigt. Beispiel Eurotunnel: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/180387103
Bis zum letzten Daten-Update hat auch die Sylt-Verbindung dieses Tag gehabt, durch deine Änderung gibt es nun route=train und shuttle=yes.

Wenn wir es richtig verstehen, ging es bei der Änderung eher darum, doppelte Verbindungen zusammenzufassen (route=train und route=shuttle_train mit denselben Geometrien), oder?
Durch die Änderung besteht nämlich nun leider das Problem, dass das Routing nach Sylt bei uns nicht mehr funktioniert (vermutlich auch mit Standard-Valhalla und mit OsmAnd).

Wir haben im OSM-Wiki leider keine Festlegung gefunden, wie man eine Zugverladung definiert - da sind weder route=shuttle_train noch shuttle=yes dokumentiert. Nur das Proposal für route=shuttle_train:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shuttle_train

Bisher scheint die Sylt-Verbindung der einzige Fall weltweit zu sein, der die Kombi route=train und shuttle=yes hat.
Was meinst Du, können wir wieder mit route=shuttle_train taggen?

Viele Grüße und Danke
ToniE (2023-03-24 15:59:27+00:00): Servus,

das Proposal ist 10 Jahre alt, gilt als "abandoned (inactiv)", wurde nie verabschiedet -> also 'nein': nicht wieder als route=shuttle_train mappen.

Mit hatten sich die Nackenhaare aufgestellt (tun sie auch noch, wenn ich mir https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/180387103 anschaue).
Das widerspricht OSM-good-mapping-practice:

- etwas erfinden, um ausschließlich Routing-Engines zu befriedigen

- etwas doppelt mappen (Gleise) um nicht in Konflikt zu geraten mit den bereits gemappten railway=track wegen des route=shuttle_train.

- einen zusätzlichen einzelnen Way (als Gleis) zu mappen, wo die Gleise bereit als zweigleisige Infrastruktur existieren/gemapped sind.

Ein Zug ist ein Zug, wenn er zusätzlich auch Autos befördert bleibt er immer noch ein Zug - vom Wesen her.

service=car_shuttle, hgv=yes, good=yes, motor_car=yes, ... an einer Route-Relation wäre die Lösung gewesen. Diese Route-Relation(en) (eine pro Richtung) wären normale type=route, route=train Relationen mit den notwendigen Zusatzinformationen.

Route-Relationen sind ein probates Mittel im gesamten OSM-ÖPNV-Bereich. Warum hier davon abweichen?

Ich schlage vor, dieses Thema in der Community https://community.openstreetmap.org zu diskutieren (auf english, da es auch den Eutotunnel betrifft).
"chris66" der Author des Proposals ist dort auch aktiv, bei der Erstellung der Beitrags bitte  @chris66 im Text erwähnen.

Meine Meinung:

- weg mit dem Blödsinn

- ändern der Routing-Engines Richtung Relationen: type=route, route=train (oder =ferry oder ...), motor_car=yes, bus=yes, hgv=yes, service=car_shuttle ... Dann müssten die noch nicht einmal den Unterschied zw. train und ferry und ... machen.

Gängiges Mantra: "Wir mappen nicht für die Renderer!" Wir mappen aber auch nicht für Routing-Engines.

Viele Grüße
Toni
vng_me (2023-03-25 21:45:23+00:00): Don't know if it is a valid argument here or not, but the famous  La Manche shuttle is mapped like route=shuttle_train.

So now routing engines should support both versions COUNT(shuttle_train) == 26, COUNT(shuttle=yes) == 6 ..
ToniE (2023-03-26 09:32:03+00:00): route=shuttle_train versus route=train + shuttle=yes (or whatever) is a minor concern here for me as long as these tags can only be found on route-relations.

I deleted OSM ways here that were tagged with route=shuttle_train with some other tags (but not railway=track) to represent the railway tracks.
The ways had been mapped between / in parallel to the railway=track ways which already existed in OSM.

This is against the mantra "one feature, one object".

I.e. what exists in reality only once, must not be mapped by two more OSM objects, period/basta!

This applies to the Eurotunnel-Shuttle as well.

In addition, there were also two route-relations. the older, propper one, with route=train (having the tracks as members) and the newer one route=shuttle_train (with the suspicious ways as members).

In addition: routes are virtual OSM objects and must not by mapped on odes and ways but using relations. This is well established for all other public transport elements. A train carrying cars and shuttle trains fit well into the schema.

What's the difference between a shuttle train and a train?
Do shuttle_trains have only two stops? No, I guess that's not always true?

BTW: the tracks on the Hindenburgdamm between Sylt and Niebüll are also used by other trains RB*, ICE*, ...
Please refrain from adding route=shuttle_train to those tracks - that would obviously be completely wrong. tracks are tracks and trains are trains, two completely different objects in OSM and reality. Don't mix them.

Back to your question: a route-relation with route=shuttle_train versus route=train + shuttle=yes:

Once routing engines learned to make use of route-relations, the code to differentiate between the two mapping flavours is tiny - so why not take the correct one?

A shuttle train is a train with special service: route=train + some additional tags.
This would also apply for route=ferry carrying cars, bicycles, trains, ... and (!)  passengers which came by foot.

BTW: would you introduce an new tagging schema (shuttle_ferry) for ferries crossing rivers (having only two stops)? No!

I'm going to start a discussion in the community and will provide the link here later.
vng_me (2023-03-26 09:38:56+00:00): Ok, no problem, your arguments are valid here.
ToniE (2023-03-26 10:39:09+00:00): Thanks, and here we are with the discussion in community

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/route-shuttle-train-deprecation-of-13-11-year-old-never-activated-proposal/97351
ToniE (2023-03-27 10:00:45+00:00): Seems that my edit has been reverted ... for the time being hopefully.

From my perspective: be prepared that my edit will be seen as valid deletion and prepare your routing engines to work with relations and follow the discussion in the community.
vng_me (2023-03-27 11:58:23+00:00): I have already updated our routing engine. And I agree with you that route=train + shuttle=yes is the better scheme here. The same as route=ferry.
vng_me (2023-03-27 12:04:00+00:00): And of course, we as the OSM community should avoid dummy duplicating ways like in La Manche, where existing relation is more than enough. Probably should unify additional tags like shuttle=yes or service=shuttle/car_shuttle or whatever ...
ToniE (2023-03-27 12:09:37+00:00): Thanks.
ADAC Touristische InfoSysteme (2023-03-27 13:08:19+00:00): @vng_me: our routing engine = Valhalla?
vng_me (2023-03-27 13:35:50+00:00): Organic Maps