piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
eggie (2024-04-29 14:30:42+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privebericht. 
Feedback   access=private is voldoende. foot=private is overbodig.
Het zal niet meer routeren voor bezorgdiensten. Je zou ook access=permissive kunnne taggen. 


MVG, 

Eggie 

Namens de OSM Community
Geoffrey Paardekooper (2024-04-29 14:36:36+00:00): Bedankt voor de feedback! Zal er rekening mee houden voor volgende aanpassingen/toevoegingen
Mateusz Konieczny (2026-02-05 16:00:10+00:00): Hello! https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5395666968/history has shop = accessories that was added in this edit
shop=accessories ? What kind of accessories are sold here? Fashion accessories? Car parts? Gun accessories?

Maybe use shop=fashion_accessories for clothing accessories, shop=car_parts for car accessories or other shop=* instead - see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop=accessories
eggie (2024-04-29 14:32:56+00:00): Feedback In het geval van Verboden toegang dan zal de tagging access=no moeten zijn en niet permissive.
Nu routeert het gewoon voor wandelaars. 
Groet
eggie
eggie (2024-04-29 14:55:55+00:00): Hoi.. Dat zijn geen valide tags.

Kijk svp in de wiki naar charging_station
eggie (2024-04-29 14:57:18+00:00): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station
eggie (2024-04-29 15:00:07+00:00): Mrestal staan die laadpaal tags op een node
silversurfer83 (2024-04-29 20:57:29+00:00): Moin :)

Deine Eigenschaften sind jetzt wieder ein wenig widersprüchlich. Ein footway hat idR in Deutschland ein VZ 239. Wenn da das Zusatzzeichen 1022-10 (Radfahrer frei) zu kommt, dann bekommt der Weg ein "bicycle=yes". Wenn du bei bicycle ein designated setzt dann gehe ich von einem VZ240/241 aus.

Folgendes tool kann bei der Auswahl der Eigenschaften hilfreich sein:
https://osmtools.de/traffic_signs/

bei Fragen immer raus damit
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Sammyhawkrad (2024-04-30 19:45:54+00:00): Hi Awinebotima, thanks for contributing to the map in Ghana. As a new mapper you should be aware that OSM uses multiple imagery sources and they all do not have the same alignment so the data may not align with some or any of them at a particular place. 

With the help of GPS traces we are able to correct these and save these offsets in a database. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Imagery_Offset_Database#JOSM_Plugin

Kindly read a little about this and always check before you realign objects. 

Your realignment was not properly done and unfortunately has to be reversed.

Reverted by: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/150724677
streckenkundler (2024-04-29 16:37:46+00:00): Hei,

name=Löschwasserentnahmestelle ist genauso Falsch: siehe: 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Namen#Namen_sind_keine_Beschreibungen

streckenkundler
adamsc (2024-05-01 15:50:10+00:00): Jakie jest źródło tych zmian? Rondo jest chyba zamknięte do połowy maja. Od Piastowa w ulicę Rajdową jest przejazd dla pojazdów ciężarowych (wielu kierowców osobówek jeździ tam pod zakaz)
Tomek | Yanosik (2024-05-09 09:46:52+00:00): Ok, dziękuję za korektę! Źródłem były przejazdy Użytkowników
streckenkundler (2024-04-29 16:32:20+00:00): Hei,

...da irrt die WaterwayMap... diese Fischpässe sind eine flächige Angelegenheit und keine Linie. Sowas bitte nicht verändert. Die WaterwayMap muß sich den Daten anpassen, nicht die Daten an die Karte...

streckenkundler
hatul (2026-06-16 10:22:18+00:00): שלום זאב
אתה בטוח שהשביל הזה לא מסומן בשחור?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/160040709
אני בטוח שהוא היה מסומן בעבר וגם ככה הוא במפת סמש ישנה.
בכל מקרה יצרת פה סתירה בין הצבע ביחס ל־colour. אז צריך לבחור.
ww.openstreetmap.org/way/221450493

תודה
zstadler (2026-06-16 15:09:21+00:00): אם מחקתי את הצבע זה בגלל שלא מצאתי אותו בשטח. לא בדקתי את המסלול בכללותו ולכן גם לא עדכנתי חלקים אחרים של היחס.

הקטע 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/160040709
לא שיך לשום יחס, כך שלא ברורה לי ההערה:

"בכל מקרה יצרת פה סתירה בין הצבע ביחס ל־colour. אז צריך לבחור. "
hatul (2026-06-16 15:13:31+00:00): לא, הסתירה היא בקטע
www.openstreetmap.org/way/221450493
zstadler (2026-06-16 15:42:22+00:00): עכשיו זה ברור, הסימון השחור עבר להיכן שהיה סימון כחול.

בעצם, לא סביר שהיה שם באמת סימון כחול כי השביל הכחול
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3579470
לא נמצא בסביבה.

ראה את העדכון שלך
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/60056536
hatul (2026-06-18 08:56:02+00:00): טוב שתיקנת את היחס.
אבל בטוח היה שם סימון כחול, אני לא ממפה סתם.
אני מקווה להיות שם בקרוב ואז אבדוק.
zstadler (2026-06-20 15:45:19+00:00): היה שם כחול, תחת מספר שביל אחר משאר השבילים הכחולים שביחס. הוא הוחלף בשחור לפני יותר משנתיים - לפני שאני הייתי שם.
NorthCrab_upload (2024-04-29 15:30:14+00:00): Zauważyłem, że Twoja zmiana zawiera niepoprawne adresy. Przygotowałem listę obiektów do poprawy oraz dodatkowe informacje:

Duplikat adresu w okolicy.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11865809576
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/433776863

Pozdrawiam! 🦀
eggie (2024-04-29 15:59:01+00:00): Oke.. maar dan..
Requires
amenity=parking_space taggen.. want nu heb je alleen de specificatie.
De amenity is parking kan dan er gewoon overheen getekend worden.. of uitgebreid.
Parking_space is een parkeervak op een amenity=parking
eggie (2024-04-29 16:00:00+00:00): Denk dat de laadpaal erbij kan
mcconner22 (2024-04-29 15:38:19+00:00): I was originally just going to mark this as private, but since it was disconnected and just in someone's backyard I figured it was better to delete it. If anyone feels that it's better for it to be there with access=private (or no) let me know.
felipeeugenio (2024-04-29 21:11:22+00:00): Hola.
Cuando los caminos son provados, por favor agregar acces=private, para evitar errores en los ruteos.
gracias
HenriSaucisse (2024-04-29 23:36:47+00:00): Hola! Muchas gracias por el alcance, saludos.
ablevi202 (2024-04-29 18:11:25+00:00): natural=beach is only used for geological formations on the coast of some body of water, so please don't add it to baseball fields and playgrounds
mcconner22 (2024-04-29 16:01:17+00:00): In changeset https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/150670153, I fixed the intersection of Gallogly, Lake Angelus Shores, and Newark. When I fixed LAS, a small section of the administrative boundary that should have belonged to Newark went missing, so I fixed that in this changeset.
GinaroZ (2024-04-29 22:02:05+00:00): The highway crossing tags were left on so streetcomplete would probably ask again, since there's a sidewalk mapped I've disconnected the steps from the road.
canfe (2025-01-15 18:31:25+00:00): Il level di Caddy's è strano.
Ci son passato davanti ma mi sembra un normale negozio livello strada.
ivanbranco (2025-01-16 00:09:16+00:00): 9 mesi fa, chiedi veramente troppo alla mia memoria c:
Potrei anche essermi sbagliato, ma vedo che l'ho aggiunto con EveryDoor e che ho aggiunto anche ref:vatin, il che vuol dire che ci sono entrato e ho anche comprato qualcosa. Tenderei a fidarmi di me stesso del passato fino a quando qualcun altro non ci ri-entra dentro.
canfe (2025-01-16 07:26:18+00:00): Ma il valore di level non è corretto.
-1-0 forse è stato introdotto per errore.
ivanbranco (2025-01-16 10:15:15+00:00): È corretto, la sintassi è anche presente nella wiki del Simple Indoor Tagging, in un esempio per un ascensore che va dal primo piano interrato al quinto piano: "They span multiple levels (level=-1-5) and are connected to indoor=corridors via a door=* node on each floor."

In questo caso significa che il negozio occupa primo piano interrato e piano terra. Che poi non piaccia al validatore di JOSM è un'altro discorso.
BCNorwich (2024-05-01 06:53:06+00:00): Corrections to building outlines.
maro21 (2024-04-30 22:07:46+00:00): Mam wątpliwości co do landuse=railway. Obecnie nie jest to teren kolejowy.
pavvv (2024-05-01 07:01:59+00:00): Może być disused:landuse=railway lub ewentualnie proposed:landuse=railway.
Destabilizacja (2024-05-05 10:54:04+00:00): Jest to teren kolejowy. Są na nim dwie czynne bocznice które przechodzą przez teren targowiska. Teren jest własnością PKP S.A. i możliwe że też innych podmiotów takich jak PLK. To że ten teren jest użytkowany jako targowisko to inna sprawa, co ogólnie jest zaznaczone. W przyszłości planowana jest również odbudowa stacji.
ChaireMobiliteKaligrafy (2024-04-30 13:20:35+00:00): Thanks for the updates on crossing marked with lines. However, the street was correctly aligned using precise local aerial photography. I reverted the alignement. For oneway streets with single car lane, the way should be aligned in the center of the car lane, even if a bicycle lane is taking space on one side. :-)
Unbeatable101 (2024-04-30 13:23:46+00:00): Thanks
rohieb (2024-11-28 13:55:13+00:00): "As a guideline, generators producing less than 1 MW should not normally be tagged as power plants." https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dplant

Also: eher nicht.
Woazboat (2024-11-28 14:36:45+00:00): Und mit "name=Balkonkraftwerk" schon gar nicht.

"operator=Privar" sollte das "Privat" heißen? (ergibt aber so oder so wenig Sinn)
NeisBot (2024-04-29 16:34:02+00:00): Hello Niederpruem, thank you very much for your contribution to the OSM project.

It would be great if you could use the comment field to describe your changes. This makes it easier for others to understand and follow your adjustments on the map more quickly.Please see https://osm.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments 

Thanks!

#HappyMapping
#ADescriptionSaysMoreThanASingleChar
Niederpruem (2024-04-29 17:18:52+00:00): I used the comment field and I wrote "Eigenname"
If I forgot this, then sorry for that.
pitscheplatsch (2024-04-29 17:35:11+00:00): Hallo Niederpruem, danke für die Antwort. Hier bei diesem Changeset ist lediglich ein "." als Kommentar zu sehen.

Beste Grüße, Pascal

#HamppyMapping
Niederpruem (2024-04-29 17:52:39+00:00): ok, ich werde mich bessern :-)
❤️‍🔥 (2024-05-11 02:04:15+00:00): thanks for your edit, I've fixed the formatting of the opening hours
SuborbitalPigeon (2024-09-16 23:29:38+00:00): This was not broken in the first place
emersonveenstra (2024-05-01 11:05:34+00:00): Hi there,

Thanks for doing this, but in the future please double check your work, especially when modifying major roads. You accidentally made clyde park a oneway street from 32nd to 28th, which broke routing.
mariotomo (2024-04-29 19:00:40+00:00): hola. está mejor así, pero hay una confusión entre landuse y building.

creo que lo correcto sería etiquetar el edificio como building=construction y construction=apartments.

el área sobre la cual se extienden las operaciones de construcción podrías dejarla sin etiquetar, o ponerla como landuse=construction y construction=residential. Yo la dejaría sin etiquetar.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Key:construction
Frans S (2024-05-30 11:42:25+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project.
This changeset is reviewed by a Global Validator to check that the tasks have been mapped in accordance with the quality standards of HOTOSM. 

Please pay attention to the next summarized issues. (see attached document with examples for more info)
Inaccurate mapped. 
Oversized. 

Explanation can be found in this document what  might be helpful to strengthen your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit


Best regards and keep mapping!
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happy5214 (2024-04-29 16:50:29+00:00): With the size of the changeset, I knew I'd forget something. The two new localities were pulled from GNIS.
miluethi (2024-04-29 20:13:24+00:00): Biju Nath,
I deleted your building. There is no building visible on ESRI or Bing satellite imagery.
silversurfer83 (2024-05-01 06:08:50+00:00): Moin

Kannst du das mit den Adressen bitte mal pausieren, bis das Thema in dem anderen Change Set geklärt ist? Im Zweifel machst du dir hier nämlich gerade viel unnötige Arbeit

Silversurfer83
Niederpruem (2024-05-01 07:53:50+00:00): ok, Adressen werden erst mal pausiert.
silversurfer83 (2024-05-01 09:02:49+00:00): Danke
Yakari (kleiner Indianer) (2024-06-22 11:07:51+00:00): Ale co ty posunuté uzly? Na ty je třeba dávat si v iD Editoru pozor https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=150673115
CurlingMan13 (2025-02-05 04:07:17+00:00): Changeset reverted.  These are residential roads, not living streets.  Living streets are very rare in the US.
See:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dliving_street#United_States

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/162149543
felipeeugenio (2024-04-29 21:06:54+00:00): Hello
For private we have access=private. If there are gates we add them too thus preventing routing through private property, but we never delete this that exists. the strava traces clearly denote that there is "something" there.
i will recuperate the path and set it to private
cochamo (2024-04-30 13:25:54+00:00): Hola Felipe,

According to the statistics kept in Org. Valle Cochamó, an estimated 17 thousand visitors come to La Junta every season. Perhaps over a hundred enter this closed trail, many with their phone in hand using some map app based on OSM. This leads them into our backyard, grazing pasture area, living-private areas and our campground. We've had continuous illegal camp fires, camps and theft, and not to mention gates left open, much because we cannot control those who enter via this path.

My wife and I are the owners of this land. The trail is not public throughout the entire valley, but because of the community cooperating together, it remains accessible to all. You’re work via OSM of Valle Cochamó is part of that community. 

If every trail, furthermore, needs to be drawn, a spaghetti of trails would need to be added, only adding to further confusion. Eliminating only this section does not change the destination for anyone. It only further adds to confusion for the visitor and inconveniences to La Junta community, especially us and Campo Aventura. Surely nobody would want lots of people directed into their living areas. 

I hope you'll reconsider deleting this short section. I can elaborate on any of the above points, provide further information or documents and/or include additional voices from the community if needed. 

Thanks for all your work on OSM. Look forward to your reply. 

Saludos, Daniel
felipeeugenio (2024-04-30 13:59:28+00:00): Hello Daniel, (do you speak Spanish?)

I added the tag access=private. Plus, I added a gate where I think I am seeing a gate, That should avoid routing there.

Nevertheless, I am just a mapper, you can enter the Chilean community in Telegram and explain the situation. But given that, the path clearly exists and the Strava traces confirm it, so it is a matter of time for another mapper to add the path again. OSM does not function as a company, in which we give an order and the path disappears.

Even so, people just can walk through that path even with the path not present in OSM. Please take into consideration that the path was added to OSM in December 2023. The problems started that month?
You better improve the closing of the path. :D

regards
cochamo (2024-04-30 18:55:53+00:00): Hi Felipe, I'm updating the trail. There is no gate where you added one, thus I'll take it out, and added one where one is. We prefer to delete this path. If I delete it again, will you just bring it back? In the end, is the final decision alone yours? I'd prefer to delete it and take the chance someone else adds it. This January through March, we saw a record number of people come through illegally. Some people purposely ignore signs and jump gates just because their map says it's shorter. Please bear in mind all of the previously mentioned problems. Dale Felipe, please try to understand from our perspective given the large amounts of people, and not just from a mapping perspective. Awaiting your reply. Saludos, Daniel
felipeeugenio (2024-04-30 19:29:02+00:00): Hello Daniel.
No, this is not up to me. it is not me who you have to convince, it is a complete community that works under some parameters.

lets try to maintain the path with all the restrictions (access=private +gates with access=private too)

Because the day will come when somebody will add the patch again. And they will not include the rest of the tags, I can assure you.

what happened in December is that I didn't know that the path was private, so I left it open. Now it is private.

you can join the chilean community if you want to engage more mappers. But then again: the chilean community is not the owner of chile. another mapper can add the path too.

regards
map per (2024-04-29 20:27:33+00:00): Wegen review_requested:
Die Änderung sieht gut aus, danke!
map per (2024-04-29 20:28:11+00:00): Englisch:
Because of review_requested:
The edit looks good, thanks!
ericspellman (2024-04-29 20:58:33+00:00): Thank you!  :)
ericspellman (2024-04-29 20:59:09+00:00): Und danke!  :)
TheBestIdea (2024-07-16 15:12:10+00:00): Watch out with street complete that you don't by accident make left side bike paths contra-flow ("cycleway:left:oneway=-1")
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miluethi (2024-04-29 20:11:54+00:00): Harshbhadoriya,

I deleted your buildings. There are no buildings visible on BingSat.
The shapes of the buildings is also far too big. It doesn't make sense.

Sorry.
rhhs (2025-12-11 10:26:06+00:00): About the honey shop: there's also a sign that they are buying paper for a certain price, so maybe they're also buying the washed burkani, and it's a recycling shop? amenity=recycling
recycling_type=centre ?
Dimitar155 (2025-12-11 21:38:00+00:00): ясно е, че нищо не е ясно :)
qugeb (2024-04-30 07:21:16+00:00): Hi,

jetzt gibt es die 34 doppelt. 
Welches ist die richtige?
RN60 (2024-04-30 10:56:39+00:00): Hi, ich habe jetzt das große vordere mit "22" versehen und der 3er-Wohnblock hat die 30-32-34.
Ich wohne jetzt 18 Monate in der "28" und bin ganz stolze, dass ich die Unfähigkeit in diesem Land etwas reduziert habe :-) :-)
eggie (2024-04-29 17:46:56+00:00): Dag hennep...   access=no icm met andere accesstags is bijna altijd fout. Ik heb die tag verwijderd.
Waarom access=no
Wellicht private of destination?
Is het een brandgang.. dan footway=alley toevoegen.

MVG
eggie
CurlingMan13 (2024-04-30 04:40:39+00:00): Please use more detailed changeset comments.  What did you change/add/edit/delete, and why?
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Frans S (2024-05-16 13:25:21+00:00): Thank you for mapping. You have correctly identified the location of most objects and mapped. However, don't combine buildings and map them as 1 building.

Reminder: Please be sure to square all rectangular buildings with the Q key
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
FYI. Please view this video about common new mappers mistakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs5wX592E1o&amp;t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltn1VOiq5_0
In this document, you will find some hints and tricks which might help to expand your mapping skills.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping.
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maro21 (2024-05-01 18:07:16+00:00): Czy jest tam znak C-13: droga dla rowerów? Czy droga jest rozdzielona z chodnikiem?
CurlingMan13 (2024-04-30 04:40:35+00:00): Please use more detailed changeset comments.  What did you change/add/edit/delete, and why?
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jumbanho (2024-05-07 00:37:09+00:00): Are you sure this is correct location for this beach?  There doesn't appear to be much sand on any of the imagery.

There does seem to be a beach about 200 yards NE of this location at the end of a service road.
PeterHagen (2024-05-07 02:20:55+00:00): Yes, the beach/sand is hidden under the tree cover at the edge of the lake. The beach NE of this location is private property. 
I am local and have been swimming at this location for many years.
mcliquid (2024-04-29 18:28:43+00:00): Hi, wusstest du, dass du in StreetComplete über das "Dinge" Overlay auch Bänke und so hinzufügen kannst? Dann musst du die App nicht wechseln :)
errezz (2024-04-29 19:08:18+00:00): 😮
Das ändert alles! Danke 😄
Mateusz Konieczny (2025-05-03 11:00:51+00:00): Hello!

You used
colour=weiß
on https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11867058121/history

Have you maybe meant
colour=white
?

I am pretty sure that it is a typo, but not sure enough to just replace it (I edited some objects where situation seemed more clear to me).

Or have you used this value deliberately? In such case, what was the intended meaning?

If it is a mistake - can you fix it?
Syl (2024-07-03 08:21:07+00:00): Bonjour, la caserne est maintenant en double, pouvez-vous corriger ?
mikimapbuilder (2024-04-30 06:19:27+00:00): Building footprint is modified to align with the sateilite imagery
dcapillae (2024-04-29 21:09:34+00:00): Buenas tardes.

Este conjunto de cambios fue revertido. Los números de portal se indican en los nodos de entrada. No se deben añadir en los viales. Hay numerosos ejemplos en el mapa: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7425237133.

Consulte la guía de principiantes y los artículos del wiki si necesita conocer cómo mapear algún objeto en particular: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guide

Gracias por su colaboración.

Atentamente,

Daniel Capilla
Frans S (2024-05-07 14:23:25+00:00): We welcome you as a new mapper.
Thanks for your contribution to this project.
This changeset is reviewed by a Global Validator to check that the tasks have been mapped in accordance with the quality standards of HOTOSM. 
We cannot expect from a new mapper that he/she delivers high-quality mappings from the start, so we offer some guidance.
Please pay attention to the next summarized issues. (see attached document with examples for more info)
Collected multiple buildings and mapped them as 1
The lower part are groups of 2 buildings, close together.

Explanation can be found in this document what  might be helpful to strengthen your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit


Best regards and keep mapping!
Frans S
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DavidKarlas (2024-05-11 03:59:43+00:00): Hi,

was adding "Заказник "Лопасненский еловый остров"" as name on every node in https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1278276706 intentional or mistake?

If it was mistake, can you remove please? If it was intentional could you explain why you did that?

Thank you,
David
sge444 (2024-05-11 07:15:58+00:00): Hi! What is the problem? Sorry, may be I didn't understand you correctly.
You point at that title заказник before name?

Thank you, 
George
DavidKarlas (2024-05-11 09:30:42+00:00): I think that is wrong that each node, such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11867104866 is tagged with name.
sge444 (2024-05-11 14:08:05+00:00): Thanks, I fixed it
DavidKarlas (2024-05-11 14:12:16+00:00): Spasiba!
MxxCon (2024-05-03 06:59:57+00:00): I'm not sure that relation for "Fifty Third and Eighth" building is correct. The fact that you mapped it as outer and inner, implies that there's no 1st floor under the "inner" section. That's highly unlikely...

I think it can be simplifies with just regular building:part=1 way and optionally add building:min_level=2 to w260947181 section.
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JessAk71 (2024-05-03 16:30:24+00:00): Thanks MxxCon, no problem, I just made the update. I was under the impression the relation meant the outer area had 1 level and the inner area had 25 levels which would fully account for the tower levels. Sounds good.