piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-05-17 17:24:05+00:00): > If none, how does what you have done here improve the quality of OSM?

In the worst case (this shop is not existing) then benefits are basically nonexisting, but it is also not worse than before.

This POI will be a bit more likely to be shown as requiring resurvey in some (not all) tools.

> Are you sure that https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2361007180/history is still a shop at all?

As documented in changeset comments this is an automated edit so nothing like that was done (if it would be verifying based on survey or something then it would be not done with such description)
SomeoneElse (2023-05-17 17:38:35+00:00): > , but it is also not worse than before.

untrue.

A new "shop=yes" will just get lost in the other 180k "shop=yes".  We know they won't get spotted because the other 180k of them have not been.

Updating something that you do not even know exists with a "new" value means something that looks at the last modified date might think that it has been verified recently when it has not.

Your actions here are making it harder for local mappers to improve the quality of data in OSM.  You should stop now.
SomeoneElse (2023-05-17 17:41:14+00:00): Note for the avoidance of doubt that the change here is NOT documented by osm_wiki_documentation_page 	https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits (there is no mention of fixme on that page) despite a changeset tag suggesting that it is.  This is essentially an undiscussed mechanical edit.
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-05-17 17:50:53+00:00): > A new "shop=yes" will just get lost in the other 180k "shop=yes". We know they won't get spotted because the other 180k of them have not been.

Note that there are also some tools highlighting shop=yes as worth rechecking, as far as I know no widely used tool (or none at all) does that with shop=fixme

> because the other 180k of them have not been

Well, thousands (tens of thousands, maybe more) were spotted and changed. At least 12 000+ of them because they were shop=yes (rather unusual shop=please_check_which_shop_type_it_is or shop=fixme ).

Taginfo shows relatively flat usage of shop=yes at https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=yes#chronology (or even growth) but it says nothing about how many were fixed.

> Your actions here are making it harder for local mappers to improve the quality of data in OSM. You should stop now. 

no shop=fixme will be edited again with this bot edit

Do you think that it is worth undoing edits to shop=fixme that were made? (I can do this globally or in UK if needed)

Do you think that any other change listed on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/fixing_malformed_shop_tags should be stopped/undone?
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-05-17 17:51:50+00:00): > Note for the avoidance of doubt that the change here is NOT documented by osm_wiki_documentation_page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits (there is no mention of fixme on that page) despite a changeset tag suggesting that it is. This is essentially an undiscussed mechanical edit. 

That is because it was removed in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Mechanical_Edits%2FMateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account%2Ffixing_malformed_shop_tags&type=revision&diff=2527714&oldid=2525269 to document that it will not be done again.

There is "Additionally https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/136075427 resulted in stopping to change shop=fixme"
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-05-17 17:53:13+00:00): > This is essentially an undiscussed mechanical edit. 

Also, shop=fixme was in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088185.html from thread linked on documentation page and in changeset comments here
SomeoneElse (2023-05-17 18:01:44+00:00): Did you even read https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088189.html ?
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-05-17 18:11:55+00:00): > Did you even read https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088189.html ?

Yes, as indicated by replying it in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088196.html (and being at least on topic with replies, even if I would be 100% wrong)
SomeoneElse (2023-05-17 20:53:02+00:00): I didn't reply to https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088196.html because it just made no sense - for example you said there "this batch is supposed to be listing 1:1 replacements" when you went on to change lots of individual values to "shop=yes".  That's either muddled thinking, a mistake or somewhat disingenuous.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed your post was just in error, and you hadn't meant to say "I am changing everything to shop=yes" because we had specifically discussed exactly that case previously AND in that example your had reverted your erroneous changes.
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-05-17 21:24:50+00:00): > I didn't reply

And I thought that I convinced you in this case.

> because we had specifically discussed exactly that case previously AND in that example your had reverted your erroneous changes

You convinced me that shop=luxury to shop=yes causes some data loss (but I am still not understanding what data loss would be in case of shop=other or shop=store - and moving to more typical missing data tag, shop=yes is exactly why it is a bit helpful)

(and yes, I will roll it back but I need to either do it manually or write a new code so I will not do it immediately)
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-05-17 21:26:41+00:00): the tricky part is that only part should to be reverted (like shop=yes back to shop=true or shop=??? depending on how it was originally tagged) and avoid reverting shop=bed to shop=beds just to later edit it again
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-06-10 07:20:08+00:00): I have not forgotten about this one, this morning I nearly completed revert bot.
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-06-14 11:59:21+00:00): I started revert process, first edits were made, see for example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4856808144/history
user_5359 (2023-05-15 14:30:35+00:00): Welcome to OSM! Please have a look on http://www.osm.org/node/10895592316.
What is the mean of the tags
tir николаев = tir миколаїв
дальнобойщик = далекобійник
?
HellMap (2023-05-14 10:29:55+00:00): Hello!

I notice you have added a bunch of etymologies to road names in several languages. What is your source for the road name etymology and knowledge of these languages?

For example for this changeset, "Jaunavu iela" -> Virgin Mary is wrong; "Tirgoņu iela" -> marketplace is wrong; "Krāmu iela" -> Q3591625 (a marketplace table?) is wrong. Something like "Mazā Jauniela" is based on "Jauniela" and not whatever "Jauniela" is based on - that would be false etymology.

It seems you are not adding these from the correct knowledge of the language since you are not adding the actual `name:etymology` word/phrase.

I quickly looked at some other of your edits in Russian language before. For example, "проспект Строителей" -> "civil engineering" is wrong or "Балтийский бульвар" -> "Gulf of Finland" is completely wrong. I did not check further. But it doesn't look like you are adding these correctly.

Please review your edits, fix or remove incorrect values and please don't add incorrect data to OSM unless you are certain of your additions.

Thanks
benjamintchik (2023-05-14 14:17:48+00:00): Hi, 
Thank you for your comments. For Latvian, I used translations mades with DeepL translator engine and the - I realize this isn't accurate enough and am open to suppress the few choices I offered for Riga streets. 
For Russian names, the choices are made on the detailed informations found in the wikipedia pages in Russian language (a language I read proficiently). Sometimes the edit aren't obvious but I can explain the two examples you give. 
Балтийский бульвар : the WP page give a quote from the SPb toponymic commission stating that the name was giving to this street "because it's running along the Gulf of Finland" (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80#cite_note-4). Baltic sea could be seen as a better choice, though. I agree, it's debattable.
For "проспект Строителей" there is no obvious choice. It goes along with other Soviet street names referring to the workers of various economic branches. I chose to give the reference to the economic branch that was cited through the term Строитель. But I agree Q3875186 (construction) would be a better choice, I probably missed the entry.
HellMap (2023-05-14 14:51:23+00:00): Thanks for clarifying!

I've never used translation to do any etymology work, but as you say, it doesn't look accurate enough, at least in Latvian. In fact, it seems to be more wrong than correct, probably because the translator isn't being literal and specific enough. Translating is probably not a good idea for etymology (at least, for now). Plus, it requires some local knowledge.

If you are proficient in Russian (I wasn't sure), then that's fine - I'm not going to look through all of those edits. I'll leave those example to you; they are just the first ones I clicked. I guess if something like Строители refers to some sort of movement and not a generic term, then I couldn't say more without knowing local history. Same with Балтийский бульвар I guess, although it's very difficult to see how the actual name refers to anything but Балтийское море even if the naming decision is based on geographical location along Gulf of Finland.

I think you may be overthinking a little bit about the original meaning too. Etymology is often quite literal - it's the origin of the phrase/word and not necessarily the inspiration or something. If there's no other history, then something like - проспект Строителей -> строитель -> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q811122 rather than the branch of civil engineering - which very well may be the inspiration, but is not actually the root of the name. 

It's probably a good idea to also add the base field `name:etymology` so it's clear what you are referring to. Wikidata often has synonyms and imprecision, if it has labels in the given language translated at all. I think if you added it to an example like name=Балтийский бульвар and it would be name:etymology=Финский залив... then it is kind of immediately obvious that it's not the source of the name. As before, it still may be inspired by geographic proximity, but the actual name wasn't based on it.

Anyway, this is a complex topic that I've only examined briefly. I came up with the same issues as above, so I haven't been adding a lot of these values, mostly just very unambiguous persons' or places' names.

Anyhow, thanks for fixing the edits!
benjamintchik (2023-05-14 15:06:38+00:00): Thank you for your feedback and comments - I agree on your thoughts.
For the last example, I obviously missed the wikidata entry "construction worker" and searched out something too complicated- it's now fixed.
I enjoyed adding etymology with the Open Etymology Map tool, but obviously, it made me derail a bit in etymology frenzy!
All the best,
perusluku (2023-05-14 17:34:39+00:00): Olen aika varma että tuossa Karhunkaatajantien ja Holkkitien välisessä pyöräyhteydessä on yksisuuntaisuus, ainakin "kielletty ajosuunta" -kyltti on palanut muistiini. Mutta käyn jossain välissä tarkastamassa
user_18305684 (2023-05-15 13:38:15+00:00): Hi,

welcome on osm.

if you add several values to a tag natural, it doesn't work, you have to either choose one unique value or to split the area into several areas with, for each, only one value.

I fixed ways 1172670059, 374812791 and 1167760760.

Best regards
Niels Elgaard Larsen (2023-05-23 12:34:51+00:00): Er der en forskel på Force Majeure Studio og Force Majeure? Eller er det dubletter?
Lostmonkey (2023-05-23 12:41:03+00:00): Jeg ved ikke, hvordan det er formelt mht. cvr osv. Men på gaden ser man to forskellige skilte på de to nabolokaler: https://hsfo.dk/oestjylland/populaer-cocktailbar-og-spiritusbutik-udvider-konceptet-her-kan-du-styrke-dine-kompetencer-til-hjemmebaren
Niels Elgaard Larsen (2023-05-23 15:27:32+00:00): Tak, det ser ud til at Force Majeure både sælger drinks og er en bar, mens Force Majeure Studion er et events_venue. Sådan har jeg tagget det nu.
Lostmonkey (2023-05-24 07:57:00+00:00): 👍
Mateusz Konieczny (2025-12-18 11:10:39+00:00): Hello! https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1161461104/history has via_ferrata_scale = B that was added in this edit
What via_ferrata_scale = B means? It is not listed at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:via%20ferrata%20scale
trenki (2025-12-18 17:15:21+00:00): hi,
it is the grading, where in .it they use the "Schall" variant. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_ferrata?useskin=vector#Grading
Mateusz Konieczny (2026-07-01 11:19:51+00:00): and we in this key use a different one

can you translate it into used one or use a different key?
eggie (2023-05-14 09:39:57+00:00): De place neighbourhood heb ik even verplaatst naar een node conform de manier hoe andere buurten zijn getagd.
De nieuwbouw zal ik even uptodate maken.
Is het werkelijk niet toegestaan inde wijk de rijden als je er niet woont. Staat dit aangegeven. Voor bezorgdiensten zal het nu ook niet routeren.
acces=private..   met art 461 wvs bebord? 
MVG
eggie
eggie (2023-05-14 09:42:02+00:00): Oude-Tonge Haven staat nog steeds op een placenode?
JRelland (2024-01-21 14:31:27+00:00): Shop name and logo still on the map.
NorthCrab_upload (2023-05-14 09:40:13+00:00): Zauważyłem, że Twoja zmiana zawiera niepoprawne adresy. Przygotowałem listę obiektów do poprawy oraz dodatkowe informacje:

Duplikat adresu w okolicy.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/353161481
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/353161587
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/220919701
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/220919900

Pozdrawiam! 🦀
marc__marc (2023-05-14 17:17:36+00:00): Hello,
I'm very happy you target mistake and add a fixme to help them to be detected
but, as it's a newboie and he request review_request, why not posting a very small autotranslated review to him ?
Regards,
Marc
Lanuarius (2023-05-14 14:14:45+00:00): The actual visible buildings, "파라다이독" and "승마센터", have different building names.

파라다이스독: https://map.naver.com/v5/entry/place/1421369841?c=18.41,0,0,2,dh

승마센터: https://map.naver.com/v5/entry/place/818784732?c=18.41,0,0,2,dh

I'll remove the fixme tag when the discussion is no longer ongoing.
eggie (2023-05-14 10:19:17+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privebericht. 
Feedback  Gebouwen worden periodiek geïmporteerd vanuit de BAG.  Dat is hier door de voorgaande mapper al zelf ingetekend. Import (incl adresnode) kun je aanvragen via het forum.
MVG, 

Eggie 

Namens de OSM Community
eggie (2023-05-14 10:24:02+00:00): Zo staat het in de BAG..

Klopt daar de grotere vorm of is het gebouw nu kleiner?
(Het vierkant?)
Dan zou het aangepast kunnen worden.
MVG
eggie
DaveClark35 (2023-05-14 13:30:37+00:00): This is a driveway on personal property. Consumers do not realize this is personal property - someone has trespassed on my property and claimed it is public access because they saw it on some mapping service.

Unless you're willing to personally pay to add a gate to keep people out of my driveway, then do not re-add this marking.
km2bp (2023-05-14 11:49:01+00:00): W czym ci poprzedni widok przeszkadzał dokładniej  odwzorowujący rzeczywistość?  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10895750797#map=19/51.92803/15.61842. Sprawdziłem też to miejsce na mojej nawigacji mobilnej i uważam że wygląda to dobrze i bezsensem jest to zmieniać na jakieś uproszczenia dobre w wielkomiejskim gąszczu dróg Zrzuty ekranu pochodzą z Organic Map https://photos.app.goo.gl/kyddDCeBw6PRvHLn9  Gratuluję wprost niesamowitego zaangażowania a ta jedna drobna uwaga niech cię nie zniechęca.  Pozdrawiam.
Bąbel (2023-05-14 23:41:54+00:00): Przykro mi że Ciebie zasmuciłem. Moja nawigacja (podkład z OSM) na Rondzie  Błękitnych (zjazd w pole) wysłała mnie w pole, więc poprawiłem. Przy okazji poprawiłem tagowanie - zjazd na Naukowa i .... , o pasy zjazdowe pod asystenta pasa ruchu. A mogłem sprowadzić do jednej linii z odpowiednim tagowaniem.
d_berger (2023-05-15 23:59:31+00:00): Hi. Bitte die Änderungen im CS-Kommentar zusammenfassen.

Und wieso "layer=1"? Strassen auf der Oberfläche sollten _nie_ eine layer-Angabe tragen. Bei iD ist dies meist ein Zeichen, dass ein ahnungsloser Mapper einen (allfälligen) Fehler maskiert. Ich sehe den Grund dafür nicht, und der Validator in JOSM auch nicht...
PuffinMapper (2023-05-16 05:04:37+00:00): Layer ist korrigiert. Stimmt natürlich. War ein Versuch um zu sehen wie OSMOSE darauf reagiert.
user_5359 (2023-05-15 14:38:29+00:00): Hello! I correct your typos with species;nl (instead of species:nl). Please don't add any information, if you don't know them (species=tbd)!
Infodisiac (2023-05-15 20:05:25+00:00): This will resolved within one or two weeks. These trees are marked as 'need an expert' in this map
https://openbomenkaart.org/obk.htm?data=dichtersbuurt
Infodisiac (2023-05-15 20:09:38+00:00): Are you certain about the semicolon? This osmwiki page seems to tell otherwise. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:species
Infodisiac (2023-05-15 20:57:46+00:00): Sorry I misunderstood. You spotted species;nl en corrected it into species:nl, wich I totally agree on. Thanks for that.
phd0 (2023-05-29 09:31:07+00:00): bonjour, vous êtes sure qu'il y a des toilettes dans ce coin paumé ?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10895805222

Philippe
eggie (2023-05-14 11:15:56+00:00): Dag JW  Alle begin is moeilijk. Je hebt het pad verbonden met de landuse. Dat heb ik even losgemaakt.
Let wel op. In dit gebied worden veel paden onttrokken aan het gebruik om de heide te beschermen. Op luchtfoto's zijn die paden dan nog wel te zien, maar deze kunnen dan beter niet als bron gebruikt worden. Wanneer je bron survey is dan is het uiteraard akkoord.
MVG
eggie
eggie (2023-05-14 12:29:01+00:00): .. en wellicht bicycle=no?
JWZondag (2023-05-14 14:45:24+00:00): Hoe had ik kunnen zien dat ik het pad had verbonden met landuse?

Het pad loopt er, wordt veel gebruikt (ik loop er zelf regelmatig hard over) en is niet echt ontoegankelijk gemaakt.
Hoe is na te gaan of de gemeente het pad eigenlijk wil onttrekken?
(bicycle = no heb ik bij beiden toegevoegd,)
Bedankt voor de info.
eggie (2023-05-14 15:02:26+00:00): Dag JW  
Over de Ginkelse Heide weet ik het niet precies. 
Er zijn wel websitepublicaties  van gebieden in de buurt waar medegedeeld wordt dat men paden ontoegankelijk maakt momenteel.
Dat doet men met takkenbossen. Als dat niet het geval is dan heb je het correct gedaab.
Paden die ontoegankelijk zijn gemaakt worden eerst getagd met
disuse:highway=path  + een note=
Althans dat is advies. Pas wanneer het pad is dichtgegroeid dan kan het van de kaart. Veel paden worden helaas weer ingetekend.. Vandaar mijn vraag. 
Vanuit de boswachterij is men daar mee bezig. Die mappen ook in OSM.
Je ziet die (disused:highway=  path)  dan niet zichtbaar op de kaart en de 'lege' lijn voorkomt opnieuw  intekenen.
Zal zo even zo'n pad proberen op te sporen als voorbeeld.
Groet
eggie
eggie (2023-05-14 15:08:02+00:00): Hier zo'n voorbeeld in de buurt van die paden die onzichtbaar zijn gemaakt.
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1uWq

Wel even op run drukken voor het effect
Groet
eggie
eggie (2023-05-14 15:16:05+00:00): Hoe had ik kunnen zien dat ik het pad had verbonden met landuse?
Lastig met editor iD. Wel aan de enorme grootte van het editgebied. 

Hier zie je dat je het pad middels een node verbonden had met leisure	nature_reserve	
name	Noord Ginkel

Zie ook https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=136079746

Plakken kun je voorkomen door de linker alttoets ingedrukt te houden tijdens intekenen.
gabro00 (2023-05-14 12:43:09+00:00): Szia!
cyc lett a barrier :)
fawkes2 (2023-05-14 13:10:20+00:00): Igen, köszi, kijavítottam.
SomeoneElse (2023-05-16 16:38:20+00:00): You've replaced a few like https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6590059464/history , but is the replacement here perhaps less precise?
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-06-19 16:23:19+00:00): I do not think so. Either way I posted on tagging (wiki currently recommends replacing both with shop=weapons which seems like a clear detail loss to me though maybe shop=weapons weapons=guns would make sense?)
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-06-19 16:29:16+00:00): (I have not mentioned this comment or bot edit, let me know if you think it should be mentioned)
SomeoneElse_Revert (2023-05-14 13:19:14+00:00): This changeset reverts some or all edits made in changesets 2529686, 2529704, 2529746, 2529920, 2530047, 2530150.
PierZen (2023-05-19 01:28:24+00:00): svp cessez de «laver blanc» en détruisant la carte pour imposer votre orthodoxie. Il serait plus utile de commenter pour aider les contributeurs à mieux cartographier.
PierZen (2023-05-19 02:16:22+00:00): vs shop=yes
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-05-19 08:38:29+00:00): > vs shop=yes

Are you complaining about change of shop=Retail to shop=yes or also about something else?
PierZen (2023-05-19 12:47:37+00:00): shop=yes n'améliore pas la carte. Quel est l'objectif de cette modification alors ?
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-05-19 17:37:09+00:00): 1) changes to shop=yes done recently by this bot will be reverted (see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/136091078 for background)

2) the intention was to make shops with no type specified at all to be easier to find for local mappers (as shop=yes has special support in multiple editors making more likely that user will improve it, while still clearly requiring action if someone looks at tags directly)
SomeoneElse_Revert (2023-05-14 13:19:16+00:00): This changeset reverts some or all edits made in changesets 2529686, 2529704, 2529746, 2529920, 2530047, 2530150.
NorthCrab_upload (2023-05-14 11:30:23+00:00): Zauważyłem, że Twoja zmiana zawiera niepoprawne adresy. Przygotowałem listę obiektów do poprawy oraz dodatkowe informacje:

Duplikat adresu w okolicy. Adres można oznaczyć na dwa sposoby: na obszarze (dokładniejsze) albo na punkcie. Aktualizując adres, należy się upewnić, czy w okolicy nie pozostały żadne duplikaty.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1172694335
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1172694336

Dokumentacja adresów (po polsku):
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pl:Key:addr:*

W razie problemów lub pytań, proszę pisać. Chętnie pomogę.
Pozdrawiam! 🦀
Javierpf (2023-05-23 13:36:44+00:00): Hello! Thank you for the updates. In the future, please split your changesets into smaller ones by specific geographic areas such as countries, provinces, etc. Examples:
you are adding/modifying 10 objects in 2 distant cities => make 2 changesets, 1 per city.
you are adding/modifying 5 objects in 5 countries => make 5 changesets, 1 per country.
Some relevant reading material: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Changeset#Geographical_size_of_changesets
Oskarst_ (2026-05-22 11:16:49+00:00): Hei, 

Kan ikke se at way 1172695633 finnes i noe kartlag, kjenner du til stien?
Raenbow (2023-05-25 20:15:05+00:00): Hello caspermonte, thank you for your update on https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/461797014. 

Do you know when construction on this road will be complete? In addition, do you have knowledge if vehicles are able to access this road while under construction? If not, I propose we could add a more specific access tag such as access=no, as suggested on the OSM wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access. 

I appreciate your insight here, happy mapping!
GOwin (2023-07-02 02:12:50+00:00): @raenbow 

highway=construction should only be used when a road is **impassable** due to construction activity.

If partial access is possible (e.g. one lane remains passable),  highway=*, and access=* tags remain as-is. 

A note is definitely going to be useful for reference.
GOwin (2023-07-02 02:18:24+00:00): Example tags appropriate tag for short-term construction work: construction=minor + motor_vehicle:conditional=no @ (2018 May 1-2022 May 31)