piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
tux67 (2023-08-23 06:37:54+00:00): Kein Problem. Änderung sag auch gut aus ;-)

Gruß
tux67
aRGUM (2023-08-21 09:53:25+00:00): HI, thanks for the changeset.

Unfortunately, the Kazakh title that you put, "Жұмыс аралы", isn't exactly verifiable. In 2GIS, for example, it is called Рабочий аралы.

See also the Акуленок шығанағы nearby and lots of streets that just take the Russian name without translation, like Набережная көшесі.
Jay May (2023-08-21 10:03:25+00:00): Hi,
Perhaps one of those names should be added as "alt_name" and "alt_name:kk" in such case?
I noticed Kazakh users don't seem to agree between themselves in such cases... How come?
aRGUM (2023-08-21 10:16:01+00:00): You should probably check in to the OSM_KZ Telegram channel (https://t.me/osm_kz) if you're going to do massive changes like this, if you haven't already.
aRGUM (2023-08-21 09:55:03+00:00): Hi,

Please expand им. to имени as per https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Abbreviations.

Thanks.
aRGUM (2023-08-21 10:00:02+00:00): Also, what is the source for this changeset? The name on the ground is completely different.
aRGUM (2023-08-21 10:01:12+00:00): Oh, just saw: the name was always like this :P Sorry
Jay May (2023-08-21 10:05:32+00:00): :D :D :D No problem.
Btw, I always expand abbreviations. In the past, there were tons of places or names in Kazakhstan which abbreviations that are not clear even for Russian speakers, and I sometimes spent 30min. to find what does each abbreviation mean. I even sometimes put notes "do NOT use abbreviations".
SomeoneElse (2023-09-01 09:55:47+00:00): I thin that iD wants to change "access=public" to "access=yes".  Actually, the bigger issue here (which predates your edits) is whether https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/212292004 allows bicycle and horse access or just foot.  If it is just foot (and I'm guessing that it might be because https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#17/54.14227/-1.51437/O/P suggests that there's an unmapped "public footpath" down here) then "highway=footway" is probably the better tag for way 212292004.  If it does allow bicycle or horse access, then it's probably best to add explicit "bicycle" and "horse" tags too.
Cheers, 
Andy
PS: Any other questions just ask.
SekeRob (2023-08-22 19:42:06+00:00): Hi,

This element
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1200757141
has to be removed from the meadow relation and deleted. The large meadow is now broken and does not render.

You have to repair it yourself as there are many more issues here to include meadow mapped in meadow with overlaps in to other areas.

ciao
overflorian (2023-08-22 20:48:56+00:00): Hi, thanks for the warning, indeed, my changeset broke everything.
It should be fixed now with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/140246472
Marek-M (2023-11-30 07:41:09+00:00): Cześć, Modrzewiowa ma znaki 'teren prywatny' na wjazdach (dzisiaj sprawdzałem), więc oznaczenie access=private było tam poprawne. Prawdopodobnie zgłoszenie było od mieszkańca, który z Yanosikiem nie mógł tam dojechać. Zdjęcie tagu access spodowowało, że niektóre nawigacje (w tym Yanosik) niepoprawnie skracają drogę przez Modrzewiową w taki sposób: 
https://imgur.com/vMygtSL - 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car&route=54.39776%2C18.39825%3B54.39365%2C18.39406

surface=asphalt też raczej jest tam nieprawidłowe, bo z tego co pamiętam, były tam od zawsze ułożone płyty grass_paver i nie kojarzę, żeby ktoś tam coś remontował a przejeżdżam prawie codziennie w okolicy. Teraz leży śnieg, więc nie mogę tego zweryfikować ale 99% to nie jest asfalt :)

Przywracam tagowanie Modrzewiowej na poprawne.
zstadler (2023-10-11 20:07:11+00:00): Hello Claudius,

Thank you for your contribution in Israel.

I wonder in what aspect is the Carmelit more a funicular than a subway, as it was previously tagged?

According to 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route=funicular
a funicular is "A train that operates on a steep gradient by getting pulled by a cable".

IMO, a subway is different than a train and therefore the Carmelit cannot be a funicular.

Best regards,
Zeev
Claudius Henrichs (2023-11-10 14:04:14+00:00): Hi Zeev,

The main difference is that Carmelit is an (underground) train pulled by a cable which is the definition of a funicular :) Subways are never pulled by cables. English wikipedia also calls it a funicular: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmelit
Also see the Hebrew article on funiculars which in particular mentions Carmelit: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%A8

Which aspect of a subway do you currently not represented by the data of Carmelit in OSM?
zstadler (2023-11-14 12:59:18+00:00): I thought that the underground aspect of the Carmelit is not represented.

However, I see that the "funicular" has been used to describe the Carmelit since 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/8497809
- more than 12 years ago.

I therefore take back my comment and I would like to thank you for aligning the relation tags with its member tags!
Claudius Henrichs (2024-01-28 20:04:53+00:00): Always happy to help improving OSM data.
literan (2023-08-21 19:59:09+00:00): лучше бы не трогали, еще сильнее испортили
kps136 (2023-08-22 13:49:02+00:00): все равно полагаю откатывать полностью нужно было. А когда уберут все эти некорректные названия?
literan (2023-08-22 16:57:38+00:00): во-первых, все давно исправлено

во-вторых, такие правки как ваша как раз и мешали "полностью откатывать". Эти объекты за вами пришлось переделывать вручную (тогда как основной откат совершался ботом).

в следующий раз ,если он будет, не трогайте ничего
kps136 (2023-08-23 06:04:07+00:00): к следующему разу, полагаю, все кто умеет делать выводы, перейдут на иные картографические сервисы, в которых есть хоть какая-то премодерация вносимых правок
literan (2023-08-23 07:12:23+00:00): переходите, и готовьте крупные суммы за пользование этими сервисами (на базе OSM тоже есть такой - Mapbox).

Тайлы на сайте www.openstreetmap.org предназначены только для ознакомления и для редакторов карты, кто ими пользуется тот сам себе лох.
SomeoneElse (2023-08-21 12:28:12+00:00): Hello,
Thanks for the revert here, but if you look at https://osm.mapki.com/history/way/241114899 you'll see that it was only as far back as the previous vandalism, not the "benjamintchik" version.
Cheers,
Andy
NorthCrab (2023-08-21 12:31:35+00:00): Yup, I have already noticed that and fixed it. I am now running a second pass which fixes this. :-)
SomeoneElse (2023-08-21 12:33:27+00:00): Thanks!
mr_unix_di (2023-08-21 13:27:26+00:00):  NorthCrab , you are awesome!! do the right thing!
aaei924 (2023-08-24 03:39:26+00:00): Hello, in Korea, there's certain criteria for classifying roads. It should be according to legal level of roads, not personal thoughts.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ko:한국의_도로
Andrea Musuruane (2023-08-21 20:15:36+00:00): Smaller geographical changeset, please: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Changeset#Geographical_size_of_changesets
Kovoschiz (2023-08-21 13:47:57+00:00): 1. Please don't delete the `place=`, It's a different concept from other features. 
2. Please don't add village names to `landuse=residential` . A village can include other named housing estates. Use `addr:village=` only.
Patrickov (2023-08-21 17:09:53+00:00): Just curious, I found the "name" tag of your routes a bit inconsistent.  Sometimes you use alternate Chinese / English notations (i.e. Chinese start / English start / Chinese end / English end), other times you use full Chinese and then full English.  

Which one do you think is better?
samho1234567 (2023-08-22 03:39:12+00:00): Yet it is confusing of bilingual name of bus route. I don't know if there is a consensus on bilingual name in Hong Kong OSM community.

Example 1: 九巴89D線 (藍田站 → 烏溪沙站) KMB 89D (Lam Tin Station → Wu Kai Sha Station)

Example 2: 九巴89D線 KMB 89D (藍田站 Lam Tin Station → 烏溪沙站 Wu Kai Sha Station)

I would prefer Example 1 (full Chinese and then full English). This one is more popular. Example 2 (Chinese start / English start / Chinese end / English end) seems to be adopted in historical edition. I would edit the name to be consistent very soon.
Patrickov (2023-08-22 04:10:00+00:00): When I first edited I also observed Example 2, but eventually I found example 1 slightly easier to manage.

Since some more prominent early contributors (e.g. 小智智) had emigrated, I'd say we could seek a new consensus among ourselves.  From your response I believe that we have already reached one  ;)
Kovoschiz (2023-08-22 12:47:21+00:00): I would like to remind this is bad style anyway. It's Tagging For editing software, inconvenient for applications to show route name and directions separately. iD already supports generating labels from `from=` and `to=` , as well as `network=` . https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Buses#Bus_Route_Naming
Patrickov (2023-08-22 12:52:43+00:00): @Kovoschiz I only concerned human readability.  Editing software probably won't give a damn on either.
Patrickov (2023-08-22 12:55:28+00:00): @Kovoschiz Frankly I don't think either of these 2 are the best anyway.  What do you think?
Kovoschiz (2023-08-22 13:12:13+00:00): It just works poorly in long descriptive cases. 
6 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9383262 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6517616 
89D https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/16227456 
There are 114 `route=bus` with `name=` longer than 100 chars. These 5 exceeds 150 chars. 
682C https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1290051 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1317095
HZMB (because tri-lingual) https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8858065 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8858068
788 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10866299  https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10866300
Kovoschiz (2023-08-22 13:15:24+00:00): What I do is move this label to `description=` . Use `name=` for company and route number only, similar to the Schedule of Routes. The direction can be obtained in `from=` and `to=`. That's why I add `from:*=` and `to:*=` languages. 
In the status quo, it is common to have `name:en=` and `name:zh=`, but not for `from=` and `to=` . 
It is very tedious to update routes when you put all the info in `name=` . I said screw it when I have to update Tuen Ma Line and East Rail Line
Patrickov (2023-08-22 13:49:39+00:00): @Kovoschiz That's what I do for route_masters.  For the routes themselves, though, it's preferable to have at least something to distinguish between them, I suppose?  I can't expect editors to be so smart, especially when they use tools like iD (okay, maybe that's what you mean by "tagging for editing software"?)
Patrickov (2023-08-22 13:50:00+00:00): (by 'editors' I mean people like us)
samho1234567 (2023-08-22 14:34:47+00:00): For the tagging issue, I have no opinion on it. I leave it to you guys to amend my previous submissions if necessary.
Patrickov (2023-08-22 14:48:42+00:00): @samho1234567 No worries, it's not a personal matter.  If we can come to a consensus and adapt accordingly, then what we have done will become examples for others to come.
Kovoschiz (2023-08-22 17:45:57+00:00): As linked, this situation has been specifically called out for how bad it is, in need of a clean up. It should not be encouraged. 
https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/issues/413
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Homonymous_keys#Incompatible_formats 
Besides, `name=` is the common name. In this thinking, you would say eg "KMB Route 89D Towards Wu Kai Sha", as in the bus broadcast. So even if you want to include redundant non-proper-name info, it is debatable whether you need the origin, arrows, and brackets.
Kovoschiz (2023-08-22 17:51:10+00:00): In `=hiking` / `=foot`, it doesn't need to be `name:en=Wilson Trail Section 3 (Lam Tin — Tseng Lan Shue)` either.
Patrickov (2023-08-23 15:54:56+00:00): If that's the case maybe we hold a meeting or such with other contributors in Hong Kong?
Frans S (2023-08-21 10:37:07+00:00): Hello. Thanks for mapping.
Accurate mapped. 
However, * Tagging of buildings. For HOTOSM projects, the standard tagging is 'building=yes' No text adding.  Please keep that in mind at further mappings.
Best regards
highflyer74 (2023-08-28 15:35:19+00:00): CS reverted, see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/140169757 for reasoning.
VLD523 (2023-08-29 08:16:18+00:00): Dear highflyer74,
thanks for your follow-up. My task was to check and research name changes in OSM and I came to the conclusion that the name should be changed as I did. Your suggested source "VBN Fahrplaner" uses map data from OSM.
However, the object of discussion is only some kind of prefix to the name of the village. It's not actually relevant.

Kind regards!
highflyer74 (2023-08-21 17:19:57+00:00): Hello!

Can you please elaborate as to why you changed the platforms names? What is the source of that change?

Please be aware that many features in Germany are mapped correctly. Please get in touch with the German community on the forum to communicate your intentions.

If you have done so already, please be so kind to point me to that discussion.

Thank you!
VLD523 (2023-08-28 10:38:40+00:00): Dear highflyer74,
thanks for your request.
The official VBN timetable of 2023 lists the bus stop name: "Kirchl.-Brunsbrock, Ortsmitte". For that reason the name was changed.
Source: https://www.vbn.de/service/linienfahrplaene#location_name=brunsbrock

Kind regards!
highflyer74 (2023-08-28 15:24:48+00:00): Hello and thanks for getting back on this topic!

I do not know if you have planned any more changes like this, but unfortunately this is not a good idea. In case yes, please get in touch with the German community beforehand.

Some background information: this stop is served by bus 715, which is operated by the company Allerbus. Each of the (many) companies that perform PT in Germany is responsible for providing printed schedules for their stops. This is what you get when you generate a PDF from the selection of line 715 on the link you provided. The stop names in these do differ widely from the official ones (due to technical restrictions in different systems most of the time). You will notice the difference when using https://www.vbn.de/fahrplaner instead and type "Brunsbrock" as start or destination.

The ONLY official source for PT stop names in Germany is the "Zentrales Haltestellenverzeichnis" which is a curated directory of stops that contains ~239.000 of them.

Apart from the above, PT mapping in OSM is a complex thing that involves relations and should not be done with an "iD" based editor as this is prone to breaking things. Also you need proper training on how to do things right (e.g. in this case you changed the stop but omitted the stop relation).

Please don't take it personal, but I will revert this change. Thanks for your understanding. Have a good day!
VLD523 (2023-08-29 08:14:59+00:00): Dear highflyer74,
thanks for your follow-up. My task was to check and research name changes in OSM and I came to the conclusion that the name should be changed as I did. Your suggested source "VBN Fahrplaner" uses map data from OSM.
However, the object of discussion is only some kind of prefix to the name of the village. It's not actually relevant.

Kind regards!
highflyer74 (2023-08-29 19:12:30+00:00): Hello again!

As I said I do not blame you personally, but rather the preparation by your employer before assigning such a task. This is kind of special knowledge that would become obvious after getting in touch with the local community.

Concerning VBN Fahrplaner: No, that application (both the app and the website) do not use PT stops from OSM. Only the map and some POIs are derived from OSM data.

Have a good one!
Gazer75 (2023-08-21 14:13:10+00:00): Ikkje slett vegar på den måten. Om dette er ein privat veg som er skilta private eller avstengt så kan du legge på access tags. Står info om dette på wiki
Gazer75 (2023-08-21 14:32:18+00:00): Har reversert og lagt inn access tag på vegen.
NorthCrab_upload (2023-08-21 09:20:23+00:00): 🗺️ Witaj na OpenStreetMap!

Zauważyłem, że Twoja zmiana zawiera niepoprawne adresy. Przygotowałem listę obiektów do poprawy oraz dodatkowe informacje:

Adres jest niekompletny, brakuje informacji o nazwie ulicy. Jeśli adres ma nazwę ulicy, dodaj ją w addr:street. Jeśli nie, zamień addr:city na addr:place - tak oznaczamy adresy bez ulic.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11133406663

Dokumentacja adresów (po polsku):
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pl:Key:addr:*

W razie problemów lub pytań, proszę pisać. Chętnie pomogę.
Pozdrawiam! 🦀
NorthCrab_upload (2023-08-21 09:30:21+00:00): 🗺️ Witaj na OpenStreetMap!

Zauważyłem, że Twoja zmiana zawiera niepoprawne adresy. Przygotowałem listę obiektów do poprawy oraz dodatkowe informacje:

Adres jest niekompletny, brakuje informacji o nazwie ulicy. Jeśli adres ma nazwę ulicy, dodaj ją w addr:street. Jeśli nie, zamień addr:city na addr:place - tak oznaczamy adresy bez ulic.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3677566096

Dokumentacja adresów (po polsku):
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pl:Key:addr:*

W razie problemów lub pytań, proszę pisać. Chętnie pomogę.
Pozdrawiam! 🦀
mappinglander (2023-08-21 16:37:21+00:00): reverted

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/140191216
marczoutendijk (2023-11-01 20:22:17+00:00): Is there really an attraction by that name on that spot?
And what kind of an attraction might that be?
太平枇杷 (2023-08-23 05:54:30+00:00): 請問一下為何建築物的地址和實際地址都不一樣(無論從街景、實察乃至國土測繪中心臺灣通用電子地圖)，仍要刻意加入錯誤的地址上去呢？
Supaplex (2023-08-23 06:20:12+00:00): 好，那我移除掉
太平枇杷 (2023-08-23 08:05:57+00:00): 沒問題，或是可以改正成正確地址，並把一些沒有地址的房屋地址移除掉
太平枇杷 (2023-08-23 08:09:38+00:00): 另外霧峰區有幾處房屋地址也是錯誤或不存在的，仍需麻煩您進行擴大確認
paulb_imagery (2024-08-04 10:02:56+00:00): Hi brainwad,

thanks for your contributions to OSM.

You mapped a part of Bahnhofstrasse 
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/602621660) as "bicycle=yes", see
https://osm.mapki.com/history/way/602621660. Was that just accidental?

At the location, coming from the north, I only found a sign forbidding access for anything except public transport busses, so I'm changing it back to bicycle=no (not that one would want to ride a bike down that street, but at least that way cycling routing engines don't even consider it).

About the conditional access tags for delivery, do you know where the signs at the location for that are?

Happy mapping,
Paul
brainwad (2024-08-04 10:12:32+00:00): This edit (and the one I made immediately before it) are based on changed published on the city website, where they announced the loosening of the restrictions on this section of Bahnhofstrasse: https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/site/velo/de/index/erfolgreich-umgesetzt.html (and search for "Bahnhofstrasse (2. Massnahme)"). There is a chance I implemented the described change incorrectly, though. A picture of the sign is on the webpage.
paulb_imagery (2024-08-04 10:13:39+00:00): Ah, I see you added https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/site/velo/de/index/erfolgreich-umgesetzt.html as a source in another changeset.

I uploaded a picture from today here with the signage I meant: https://panoramax.openstreetmap.fr/#background=streets&focus=pic&map=17.56/47.373961/8.538319&pic=bd77e8b4-bca6-46ef-b9b1-9645e45df31f&speed=250&xyz=0.00/0.00/0

Looking at the other signage along Bahnhofstrasse, I think one might be supposed to go on the sidewalk, but not on the street? I'm still figuring it out, let me know if you know more.
paulb_imagery (2024-08-04 10:14:10+00:00): (thanks for your reply, we just crossposted in the same minute)
brainwad (2024-08-04 10:14:16+00:00): I believe the allowance is only for northbound traffic, which is why you didnt see any signs coming from the north. But as the road is tagged oneway=yes here, the prior tagging should have been correct and already implied no access from the north.
brainwad (2024-08-04 10:16:26+00:00): Your panoramax photo is consistent with that, since it uses "no entry" instead of "no vehicles", which is only used in Switzerland for one-way roads.
brainwad (2024-08-04 10:21:01+00:00): > Looking at the other signage along Bahnhofstrasse, I think one might be supposed to go on the sidewalk, but not on the street?

No, there would need to be a blue pedestrian sign with a white "Velos gestattet" subsign on the footpath for this to be the case. Otherwise the law is that all footpaths within 2m of a road are strictly for pedestrians, and bikes should ride on the road. For paths further away from the road or not parallel to a road, they are usually signed as roads with motor traffic banned, in which case bikes are allowed; or as roads with all traffic banned, in which case they aren't.
mappinglander (2023-08-21 16:37:22+00:00): reverted

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/140191216
michael_ua (2023-08-26 21:21:46+00:00): Reverted in

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/140429609
emersonveenstra (2023-08-22 02:52:10+00:00): hi,

I've removed these since there was already a hotel building, if you need to modify something, please modify the already existing object instead of drawing over top of it, thanks!
Mateusz Konieczny (2025-05-11 20:32:10+00:00): Hello! https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11133678732/history has amenity = fixme that was added in this edit
What kind of object is here? Is it a shop? What kind of a shop? (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop )
Aleks-Berlin (2023-08-22 15:14:42+00:00): Hi  Mitsjol,
please write wikipedia=nl:Abcde, not "http..", see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikipedia#Examples
Thanks, Alex
Mitsjol (2023-08-22 15:17:11+00:00): Ah sorry about that, thanks for telling me.
SzymonH (2023-08-21 10:11:33+00:00): Zostały jeszcze inne śmieci w nazwach name=*
NorthCrab (2023-08-21 11:28:43+00:00): Tak, wszystko idzie po kolei więc jest szansa że nie wszystko jest wycofane za 1 razem.
Jrachi (2023-08-22 06:05:56+00:00): Ciao.
Hai eliminato il sentiero perché è stato chiuso?
Non è corretto da nessun punto di vista.
Ti prego di revertare la modifica.
Segnalo il problema al CAI locale dato che il sentiero interessa un percorso a catasto.
EneaSuper (2023-08-21 12:18:42+00:00): Ciao, stavo revisionando il tuo changeset e ritengo tu abbia fatto un ottimo lavoro, salvo per alcuni dettagli riferiti a questi elementi:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1200780585

Come riportato poco sopra, ho deciso di indicare solo uno degli stessi, in quanto gli altri si trovano nelle immediate vicinanze. In poche parole si tratta di brevissimi tratti di strada indicati come highway=motorway anziché highway=motorway_link, tag sicuramente più idoneo.
spughetti (2023-08-21 16:36:44+00:00): Hi underwoodlawfirmlosangeles, welcome to OpenStreetMap!

The description tag should not be used to advertise a business, I’ve thus removed the description. You can read more about the usage of the description tag here
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:description

This node was placed on the middle of the sidewalk so I moved it onto the office building.

You can find my changeset here
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/140191164

Don’t hesitate to reach out to me if you have any questions!
CAM-Gerlach_Repair (2026-06-07 08:09:46+00:00): Cleaned up remaining SEO spam tagging for Underwood Law Firm - Los Angeles POI in changeset 183767699

https://osm.org/changeset/183767699
_torsten_ (2023-08-24 20:11:11+00:00): Hallo OMME-OSM, woher sind deine Informationen zur KGA "Am Bachstelzenweg"? Vor Ort kannst du nicht gewesen sein. Sonst wüsstest du, dass der hw=service hinter (nicht vor) dem Zaun ist und dass der Weg vor dem Zaun kein hw=path sondern ein hw=track ist. Bitte ändere deine Eintragungen wieder zurück auf den Zustand vor deinen falschen Änderungen vom 21.08.2023.
Danke, Torsten.
czubi (2023-08-25 16:35:27+00:00): Ich denke da ist mal richtig was in die Hose gegangen. Habs wieder auf den alten Zustand korregiert und die fehlenden Sachen noch ergänzt
czubi (2023-08-25 16:44:11+00:00): Der Weg westlich vom Zaun gehört zur KGA, dann kommt (-> R. O) der Zaun, dann kommt der ca. 3.5m breite Kiesweg (Gewässerunterhaltungsweg, für motorisierten Verkehr gesperrt, mit Pollern abgesperrt)
@OMME, falls östlich davon noch ein Weg ist und du den einzeichnen wolltest, musst du es bitte nochmal machen, den hab ich nicht gesehen, war aber auch mit dem Rad und wollte mich nicht durchs Unterholz schlagen.