piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
eerib (2024-12-31 19:41:14+00:00): Hello Glassman

Considering all of the information provided below, the ground truth policy, and best practices for user safety, I am strongly against the removal of this trail.

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I have had conversations with two users regarding this trail.

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User "dalbertlebrun" had previously sent me a message in April of 2024 regarding this trail and others in the region. dalbertlebrun is a GIS specialist and new member of North Shore Search and Rescue (NSR). dalbertlebrun requested several trails be removed, some that are difficult and may pose dangerous to inexperienced users and some that pose no danger but are wanted removed for social reasons. I explained to dalbertlebrun that the OSM US Trails Working Group had recently done work to ensure that trails with certain tags show up with less emphasis or not at all in mainstream applications to discourage inexperienced users. I also explained that the best approach would be for members of the NSR group to contribute to OpenStreetMap to ensure all trails are tagged fully and correctly. I also said that I was open to reviewing trails if there was a specific rescue case. dalbertlebrun has not reached out to me again and members of the NSR group have not contributed to OpenStreetMap.

It is of my opinion that the NSR group is the likely complainant group. Several of the groups members have a very poor understanding of OpenStreetMap and have several falsehoods leading back to a case that happened 6 years ago. It is also my understanding that the group has not contributed to OpenStreetMap even after several offers were made and assistance was sought over the past several years. 

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User "Bookwus" had previously sent me a message in August of 2024 regarding the "Taint" trail and of trails in general. Bookwus stated:

"I believe these should be mapped in OSM, but they shouldn’t necessarily be published in other apps like AllTrails or GaiaGPS. A specific example is the Taint at Grouse Mountain area. This trail is in an area with many hikers who might be tempted to try it if they see it on a map, but due to the serious exposure and the requirement for solid scrambling skills (making it unsuitable for beginners), this could lead to severe accidents."

I explained to Bookwus how tagging can alter rendering in mainstream applications and we ultimately jointed decided to upgrade the sac_scale tag from "alpine_hiking" to "demanding_alpine_hiking", which Bookwus undertook in changeset #155799247. This will result in the trail no longer showing up at all in the most popular mainstream applications (AllTrails and GaiaGPS). AllTrails has already updated their OSM dataset and the trail no longer shows up. GaiaGPS has not updated their OSM dataset yet.

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If there is a specific rescue or near miss case then I am open to reviewing the trails tagging again to ensure it is accurately described. I will prioritize a re-survey of this trail in the near future to double check it's current tagging given it's heightened use. 

Thank you, eerib
Spaghetti Monster🍝 (2024-08-24 02:25:38+00:00): Please stop adding fake places.
reverted

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/155677504
Spaghetti Monster🍝 (2024-08-24 02:27:08+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/515793721 was just copypasted
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            #REVIEWED_BAD #OSMCHA
            Published using OSMCha: https://osmcha.org/changesets/155676158
Enock4seth (2024-08-24 13:44:59+00:00): Hi, thanks for mapping, kindly zoom enough to see existing objects before adding new one to avoid duplicates and overlaps. Also avoid attaching the building nodes to roads. I have resolved these issues here now.
Enock4seth (2024-08-24 13:55:22+00:00): Hi, thanks for mapping. Always ensure that roads a connected to nearby roads as roads are actually connected on the ground and not floating.
Metzor (2024-08-26 07:25:41+00:00): Unabsichtlich verschobener Knoten

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/155767007
welzheimerwald (2024-08-26 23:26:22+00:00): Danke! Highway-Boundary-Verklebungen gehören härter bestraft! ;)
Metzor (2024-08-27 05:53:14+00:00): Gern. Da hast du recht! Wenn es in Vespucci ein revert für einzelne Elemente gäbe, hätte ich das gleich entklebt. Fröhliches mappen!
tyfi (2024-08-24 01:15:00+00:00): Relation 17639284 is correct, but the way names were out of sync with it.
5m4u9 (2024-08-24 02:41:09+00:00): Hola, bienvenido a OpenStreetMap!

Solo una sugerencia, los nombres de negocios, edificios, oficinas se debe escribir sin abreviaturas, para evitar malas interpretaciones, porque no solo los bolivianos ven el mapa sino todos.
Kovoschiz (2024-09-02 08:07:22+00:00): Others see another changeset discussion https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/155676983
Lytter1 (2024-08-29 17:04:53+00:00): Jeg vil lige høre om hvorfor du ændre belysningen til Lit=Yes, da ifølge denne wiki er nævnt at gadebelysning lit=sunset-sunrise er betegnet med at lysene slukkes og tændes automatisk efter solop-nedgang?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Da:Key:lit
mikkolukas (2024-08-30 20:04:03+00:00): See reply at: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/155676983
Lytter1 (2024-08-30 17:49:13+00:00): Jeg vil gerne vide hvorfor du har ændret dette, da der i den danske Wiki tydeligt er nævnt at "sunset-sunrise" bruges ved gadebelysning tænder ved solnedgang og slukker ved solopgang. Lit=Yes nævnes som belysning om natten, hvor der ikke er dagslyscensor på lamperne. Se mere her.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Da:Key:lit
mikkolukas (2024-08-30 20:09:25+00:00): It does not make a difference whether the sensor is located on the lamp itself or at some central place - or if someone have a clock that accurately tracks sunsets and sunrises.

The lit=yes tag covers all those cases effectively.

I would even argue that sunset-sunrise is a misleading tag for lamps that have light sensors, as those lamps would also turn on when a solar eclipse occurs - contrary to what the tag indicates.

Furthermore, it seems it was you yourself who added the info to the wiki, so trying to claim some authority from there seems a bit hollow.

The sunset-sunrise tag was almost exclusively used in Denmark, while the rest of the world seems fine with lit=yes (as it covers the same thing)

To use another tag for the same thing just ensures that the lit status is not included in map services.

I have given my argument and am not really in the mood to continue the discussion.
Kovoschiz (2024-09-02 08:06:34+00:00): When you are doing a worldwide mass retagging, you can't simply go "I have given my argument and am not really in the mood to continue the discussion." . There's a responsibility to bear. 
`lit=yes` is generic. It doesn't say whether it's lighting up at dark only. It would include at least  `=24/7` all the time , if not more. 
`lit=yes` is an initial level of detail. This is affected how most people may not care to add anything more than that. It doesn't mean the Denmark users aren't allowed add `=sunset-sunrise` themselves. 
Your question of `=sunrise-sunset` for eclipse can be asked. But it needs to be asked first, not only after making the edits.
Kovoschiz (2024-09-02 08:09:08+00:00): Also there's another option https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/lit=dusk-dawn
Mateusz Konieczny (2024-09-04 17:04:24+00:00): And such undiscussed mechanical edits can be reverted by anyone without a further reason
mikkolukas (2024-09-05 07:17:04+00:00): But this changeset have been discussed afterwards and consensus reached.
Kovoschiz (2024-09-06 10:38:53+00:00): Where else has it been discussed, and what's the "consensus"? No one here agreed with you.
Kovoschiz (2024-09-06 10:39:31+00:00): "undiscussed" is referring to "undiscussed mechanical edits". It needs to be discussed beforehand, not afterwards.
mikkolukas (2024-09-06 10:46:46+00:00): As it was not discussed before the change, you can revert the changeset if you want.

But after that I can add the changes again, because at this point it *have* been discussed 🤷

So yeah, technically you are right, but afterwards it doesn't matter in practice.

I totally agree though - that it ideally should be discussed first.

Btw, the discussion is here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2024-August/005943.html
Kovoschiz (2024-09-06 13:46:53+00:00): It's not "ideally". It's required. 
Only Denmark has discussed it. You can't re-do it worldwide unless you discuss it.
Mateusz Konieczny (2024-09-08 07:21:50+00:00): Thanks for linking Denmark - specific discussion

Note that it ideally would be linked in edit description
Mateusz Konieczny (2024-09-08 07:23:09+00:00): (and yes, it means that it should be discussed before edits)
tyfi (2024-08-24 01:41:12+00:00): Also added a segment of Givins Branch intermittent stream
tyfi (2024-08-24 04:27:45+00:00): This name is provided by the county, not the state, and is the official name used in physical land addresses. The road is still designated as P by the state, and that's what goes in the ref tag(s) and route relation(s).
tyfi (2024-08-24 04:27:55+00:00): ^ Y*
tyfi (2024-08-24 04:27:29+00:00): This name is provided by the county, not the state, and is the official name used in physical land addresses. The road is still designated as P by the state, and that's what goes in the ref tag(s) and route relation(s).
tyfi (2024-08-24 04:28:10+00:00): ^ Y*
tyfi (2024-08-24 02:15:51+00:00): It's a private park with some interactive sculptures with quite a backstory..
GinaroZ (2024-08-29 22:35:43+00:00): Hi, assume you removed it by mistake - I've added the building tag back on here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/536129047 :)
Kovirii (2024-12-01 04:16:44+00:00): The building you re-added at 415 Roma Avenue has been demolished.
JessAk71 (2024-12-01 20:48:11+00:00): Thanks for the update on that and placing the razed tag on it since imagery hasn't caught up to it yet. Looks good.
Spaghetti Monster🍝 (2024-08-25 07:39:24+00:00): Probably should be redacted for private information.
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            Published using OSMCha: https://osmcha.org/changesets/155677788
Spaghetti Monster🍝 (2024-08-25 07:39:58+00:00): 155677859 as well
Fizzie-DWG (2024-08-24 04:01:29+00:00): Reverted by DWG for fictitious mapping or vandalism

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/155678613
Fizzie-DWG (2024-08-24 04:01:52+00:00): Please see https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/16611
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Spaghetti Monster🍝 (2024-08-24 03:17:52+00:00): Most of these overlapped existing landuse and only used landuse=residential regardless of actual landuse.
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Fizzie-DWG (2025-04-10 01:18:27+00:00): DWG revert - undiscussed Organised import from unknown source

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/164747276
tyfi (2024-08-24 04:26:24+00:00): This name is provided by the county, not the state, and is the official name used in physical land addresses. The road is still designated as P by the state, and that's what goes in the ref tag(s) and route relation(s).
Bartek93ZGL (2024-08-24 11:15:59+00:00): Podaj źródło tych zmian. Idąc Twoim tokiem "myślenia" to mogę sobie napisać, że tu budują np. Aldi bo tak słyszałem. Dino na tej ulicy ma powstać w innym miejscu.
felipeeugenio (2024-08-24 13:07:28+00:00): Hola. Por favor ir mas lento con las ediciones. Esto es un proyecto en el cual todos son bienvenidos a aportar con lo que saben, pero al estar recién comenzando pedimos por favor que las ediciones sean más pequeñas y menos ambiciosas.

1) Por favor no cambiar de categorías las calles. Las categorías tienen un significado dentro de la red nacional de caminos y es algo que se debería conversar con la comunidad OSM Chile.
2) Por otro lado, Armando Jaramillo ahora se llama "Paradero El Principito"?
3) Con respecto a los nombres, si las calles tienen nombres alternativos, por favor usar alt_name=. no "/" para separar nombres.
4) por favor no realinear todo respecto de la foto satelital que está mirando. Esta foto es una de varias disponibles y cambian con el tiempo y por zona. Salvo correcciones geométricas, el mero hecho de realinear es eterno y puede ser alterado por cualquier otro mapero mirando cualquier otra foto en cualquier minuto.

voy a intentar corregir los errores, pero por favor hacer ediciones pequeñas y ojalá meterse al chat de la comunidad en Telegram en el link https://t.me/OSMcl. Ahi muchos maperos novatos hacen preguntas para aclarar dudas.

Saludos
tyfi (2024-08-24 04:25:26+00:00): This name is provided by the county, not the state, and is the official name used in physical land addresses. The road is still designated as P by the state, and that's what goes in the ref tag(s) and route relation(s).
ivanbranco (2024-08-24 14:34:46+00:00): This changeset has been reverted here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/155685734
Hungerburg (2024-08-26 09:52:16+00:00): The same wrong data has been reapplied here https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/155721219
Hungerburg (2024-08-27 08:51:55+00:00): Perhaps make the bar and the address separate nodes? Like https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/663411153

The you can tag wrong address on bar ;)
Hungerburg (2024-08-27 22:20:25+00:00): Please go there and look at the housenumber over the bar. Please feel free to add a separate node with what you read somewhere on the internet.
Stefanie Castillo (2024-08-28 05:20:44+00:00): @Hungeburg,  I gues you errased my last comment in which i included a reference. For I guess you do not understand the difference between posting something "you read somewhere on the internet" and a citation/reference based statement.

In fact based publications/science one needs to cite the reference source of what one is speaking. The concept of a Viaduktbögen 6020 is not something that i invented, thus i gave a reference. 

Please inform your self about the citation/references in a fact base statement.

And i would kindly ask you to leave this post as it is, i already said that is ok to leave it as it is. Thus i do not understand your commanded to do more things, like: "Please go there and look at the housenumber over the bar."

I would kindly ask you to stop!
If you feel like it please go your self !
I leave it as it is, thank you.
Hungerburg (2024-08-28 18:58:48+00:00): Hmm, why the rage? You made an address invalid. I reset to valid, you reset to wrong.

I pass by there regularly. No need to tell me what you read on the internet. I thought OSM is about what is on the ground. But maybe I am mistaken and it is some mystery science.

To not further entertain you, I will create the address as a separate node. So the address can be found from search. Your change made that impossible.
ManuelB701 (2024-08-24 06:52:36+00:00): Ich bin sicher, dass diese nur kurz andauert, weswegen dies in OSM nicht schon gemacht worden ist (nur längere Baustellen — ca. 6 Monate oder länger — von bestehenden Straßen werden in OSM überhaupt getaggt).
Bosinus (2024-08-24 08:44:33+00:00): Laut der Webseite bodenheim.de dauert die Baumaßnahme bis Mrz. 2025. Also über einem halben Jahr. Quelle: https://www.bodenheim.de/fileadmin/bodenheim.de/pdf/OrtskernsanierungInformationGaustrasse_3.BA.pdf
快乐的老鼠宝宝 (2024-12-03 21:43:38+00:00): Hello， 近場行き

It is very strange to add a subname for road, especially it means some restrictions, for example in your this changeset:

* w1310782525 環状2号線（信号表示注意）
* w228056331 and w379075312 昭和通り（進路変更禁止）

Is there any on ground sign support those subname? If not, I may delete them before Christmas vacation

Thank you for reading this and looking forward to your reply.
Ponderosopine (2024-08-24 05:10:00+00:00): Boundary, not borders! Anyway, that seems to have fixed the problem that was causing Lolo NF not to render
LordGarySugar (2025-01-18 19:49:54+00:00): I have re-added the crossing that you deleted, there was no reason to remove it.
mcliquid (2024-08-24 08:50:01+00:00): Eine Beschreibung der Änderungen wird immer gern gesehen: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments
mcliquid (2024-08-24 08:49:54+00:00): Eine Beschreibung der Änderungen wird immer gern gesehen: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments
magik1969 (2024-09-05 12:17:05+00:00): Cześć.

Uświadom mnie proszę w kwestii tagowania dróg pożarowych. Wg mojej wiedzy https://mapa.abakus.net.pl/blog/?p=625 tagi takie jak type=route, route=emergency_access powinny być stosowane dla relacji a nie obiektów typu highway. Ty dodajesz je do obiektów highway=track. Robisz to świadomie?
Lubomir_W (2024-09-05 12:40:32+00:00): Cześć, dziękuję za uwagę. Niestety robiłem to nieświadomie. Postaram się poczytać i naprawić ten problem.
ivanbranco (2024-08-24 14:30:20+00:00): Hi Sisikottos,

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12133348415
does this name contain a typo (Place instead of Plage)?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12133365320
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12133348420
here you added only a name (which is a description), the top-level tag is missing.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12133374709
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12133377392
descriptive names

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12133374708
here you created a duplicated, a restaurant with the same name is mapped since 6 years.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12133358743
is this really an art shop or is a statue?
Sisikottos (2024-08-25 00:33:27+00:00): Even though it is near the "plage", it is really "Place". Reference:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=957344202848659&set=a.565748542008229&type=3&ref=embed_page
Sisikottos (2024-08-25 00:37:23+00:00): top-level tag: done thanks! Somehow OsmAnd did not have the relevant types.
Sisikottos (2024-08-25 00:46:48+00:00): descriptive names: done
Sisikottos (2024-08-25 00:48:31+00:00): duplicate: removed
Sisikottos (2024-08-25 00:53:20+00:00): statue: fixed and added its official name. Once again OsmAnd did not have the "statue" option so I entered the closest option.

Thanks for checking my edits!
tyfi (2024-08-24 23:42:52+00:00): A mapper several months ago did a bunch of cleanup of mostly TIGER-imported names on Missouri state highways, and it looks like this name got added back incidentally in an update to road names in the local area. That update was made by a mapper who apparently did not know about the "name is only the name" convention (other proof being county reference numbers in parens; they also left many road names abbreviated)
Tatfahren (2024-08-24 09:41:49+00:00): Hallo Anna!23,
Das GLS Depot war bereits als Fläche erfasst, du hast die Fläche nun als Punkt gedoppelt. Objekte sollten in OSM entweder als Punkt oder als Fläche erfasst werden, jedoch nicht beides.

In Stichproben deiner letzten Änderungen bin ich auf ähnliche Probleme gestoßen. Kannst du deine letzten Änderungen nochmal auf dopplungen überprüfen, und gegebenenfalls korrigieren, oder soll ich (oder jemand anderes) das lieber machen?


Achja, welcher Quelle entstammen deine Daten, ich vermute du warst nicht vor Ort, da die Änderungen in den letzten Stunden weit auseinander liegen. Die Quelle sollte beim hochladen im dafür vorgesehenen Feld eingetragen werden.

Außerdem müssen diese mit OSM kompatibel sein, z.B. sind Auflistungen auf Internetseiten häufig nicht für OSM verwendbar, da keine Freigabe vorliegt.

Ich kenne aber auch den Fall das hier mal jemand unmengen von Restaurants eingetragen hatte. Da hat sich rausgestellt das er ein Lieferdienstfahrer war, der tatsächlich all diese Restaurants in den letzten Tagen angefahren hatte.
Tatfahren (2024-08-25 11:19:05+00:00): Danke für die Korrekturen, ich habe jetzt zwar nicht alle deine Änderungen geprüft, aber so wie es für mich aussieht, hast du wahrscheinlich alle duplikate entfernt.

Danke und noch ein schönes Wochenende.
mcliquid (2024-08-24 08:52:26+00:00): Hi, was ist falsch an den GTFS-Daten?
AndersAndersson (2024-08-24 18:35:39+00:00): Hej!
Får man lägga in en önskan om foot och bicyle=yes så att routingen för gående fungerar?
novabeat (2024-08-25 08:09:42+00:00): hej. jag satte bara motor_vehicle=permit, det betyder implicit att gångtrafik och cyckel är tillåten. Eller har jag missupfattat det?
AndersAndersson (2024-08-25 08:14:52+00:00): Som standard brukar man inte kunna passera en bom på något sätt (om det inte specifikt anges). De olika alternativ av routing jag testat väljer då en annan väg när det finns en bom.
novabeat (2024-08-25 08:33:54+00:00): åh OK. då fixar jag!
AndersAndersson (2024-08-25 08:51:01+00:00): Tackar!