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user_6110846 (2018-12-17 07:01:56+00:00): I propose to make a compromise decision that everyone will like
The essence of the compromise is to record two translations into languages ​​simultaneously.
for example in Estonian it will look like Kojiv Kiiev
In German Kyjiw Kiew
and so it is identical in the languages ​​that I fixed
I believe that this option will satisfy everyone and the discussion will be over.
Returning back of the Russian name Kiev is a violation of the rules on ground
The rule on the ground cannot be violated due to the fact I propose to make a compromise decision that everyone will like
The essence of the compromise is to record two translations into languages ​​simultaneously.
for example in Estonian it will look like Kojiv Kiiev
In German Kyjiw Kiew
and so it is identical in the languages ​​that I fixed
I believe that this option will satisfy everyone and the discussion will be over.
Returning back of the Russian name Kiev is a violation of the rules on ground
The rule on the ground cannot be violated due to the fact that in some countries they decided to simplify their lives and decided to create maps of Ukraine by transliteration from the Russian language.
and  copying Russian maps and Russian geographic registries, or the conditions are such that the cartographic business is completely captured and belongs only to emigrants from Russia. It is not surprising that they will only issue cards with Russian names and this can last for a very long time. A striking example of this is Estonia, where the distribution of Ukrainian names at the level of the cartographic business and national science is completely blocked (the Estonian Institute of Slavic Studies ignores in its registers and databases the fact that the Kyiv translation appears in some European languages ​​also ignores the translation of the real name into Chinese Jifu (written in pinyin).Previously, the Chinese translation was Jiefu, that is, it was based on the Russian name Kiev 

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Pikse (2018-12-17 12:10:18+00:00): I now reverted relying on respose from the data working group above. If you are going to propose further changes to individul name variants then please do so in accoradnce with DWG guidance above.

As for showing names ​​simultaneously (separated by space or slash, perhaps): I don't think this is generally a good idea. Alternative name variants are generally provided as values to separate keys. If this is perhaps justified for some language (e.g. variants are really of equal status or equal spread) then, as above, please propose this language by language.
user_6110846 (2018-12-17 16:36:34+00:00): Two names is a normal practice. It will close the editorial war.
At the beginning of the discussion I gave an example of using the Estonian translation of kojiv

using Kojiv 1 time is enough to have Kojiv Kiiev in name: et

There is no official ban on two transfers.
Such a ban exists only at the community level such as Russian.
There is no such ban in the Ukrainian community.
Pikse (2018-12-17 18:12:51+00:00): Compared to using "alt_name:<code>", "old_name:<code>" or alike, using "name:<code>" with multiple values (name variants) instead is unusual. This probably shouldn't be done without very good reason. I disagree that using name variant one time (or other small number of times) is enough, this in itself doesn't give name variant an equal weight with notably more common name variants. One time usage, if anything, is a minimum criterion for "alt_name".

Usage of a language specific key is rather up to community of this language. As suggested above, consult with relevant language community, e.g. Dutch-language community for "name:nl".

As far as I know there is no edit war. Unless you decide to make changes again without this being in accordance with DWG guidance above.
KKS (2018-12-17 19:01:00+00:00): Pikse check this:
Kojiv = Коїв
Kiiev = Кієв
Kõjiv = Київ

it's like spell this names in Ukrainian. And now check this sign

http://i.imgur.com/d255sFP.jpg
http://autoua.net/media/uploads/raznoe/89746465464.jpg
https://i.obozrevatel.com/gallery/2017/11/15/kiev.jpg?size=630x2000

as you can find noone writing here "Кієв" - cuz this name simply didn't exist here.
Pikse (2018-12-17 19:22:02+00:00): KKS, this is already covered above: "Kiiev" is an exonym [1] in Estonian, not a romanization of any particular Cyrillic name variant.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exonym_and_endonym
KKS (2018-12-17 20:07:32+00:00): and that fact that this non'romanization spell exactly same as russian name it's simple coincidence? Don't think so = )
Pikse (2018-12-17 20:15:49+00:00): It's not exactly Russian as I already explained to you above. For some other language commons name "Kiev" may be exactly the same as romanization of Russian name, but this doesn't matter. Current common name for particular language is what it is.
user_6110846 (2018-12-17 21:48:24+00:00): Mr Pixie should pay attention to what the DWG answer was about finding an example of using abroad (there was an example of using Estonian in Kojiv)

as well as the inadmissibility of using events in Ukraine as an argument for Kyiv Kojiv /


use of two names has been used in name for a long time therefore name et will look fine
The procedure for banning two names in name: xx does not exist at all at the level of the entire project. There are only local restrictions. Kiiv city is not included in this location.
It seems to me that it is necessary to discuss from which side Kojiv will be written to name: et, and Kiiev

About two names: it is impossible to prohibit something which is not in the list of prohibited according to the rules
 or in plain language: if the Criminal Code does not prohibit any action, this action is allowed.
user_6110846 (2018-12-18 06:45:03+00:00): Sorry for the distorted name typed translation in dicter.ru
user_6110846 (2018-12-18 07:09:30+00:00): Mr. Pikse without permission did revert
he replayed the answer text with
tomorrow morning everything will be returned
Only the Russian name KIIEV will remain in Estonian because I only found the use of Ukrainian names on the Internet 1 time.

Mr Pikse started the wrong behavior, demonstrates disregard to the participants of the discussion and the words of the response from the DWG by rolling back from
Pikse (2018-12-18 09:01:27+00:00): I answered to reversion changeset where you comment is largely the same as here.
user_6110846 (2018-12-18 09:09:35+00:00): French is returned because Kyiv is in Michelin .com
Michelin.com is a famous cartographic site in France.
Italian is returned because the Senate of Italy used Kyiv in its decision (a link to the site senato it is in our discussion
In this way, the question of name fr and name it is closed.
In the evening I will provide evidence for the rest of the languages.
According to those for which there will be little evidence --- we will discuss the option of two titles
Pikse (2018-12-18 09:26:37+00:00): No it is not closed. As per DWG guidance you were supposed to provide evidence that name variant that you propose is used *rather* than previous name variant. Individual and likely rare uses are not an evidence on this. If anything, "Kyiv" may be given as "alt_name" in French and Italian based on this evidence.
Pikse (2018-12-18 09:31:44+00:00): Sorry, at first I didn't notice you answered the same to never changeset (65547751). So I now copied my previous comment to there as well. If there is anything constructive to add at this point then lets continue discussion over there.
freebeer (2018-12-18 15:30:33+00:00): Just to add an irrelevant data point, I would not put too much faith into Auntie Beeb - pull up a bollard and let me tell you a tale.

I was listening recently to BBC radio when they had a short news report on Karl-Marx-Stadt and their newsreader came up with a complete howler.  how embarrassing.

i suspect that the newsreader was promptly marched into one of the subterranean gulags of the BBC and for the next 55 minutes underwent the traditional re-education course and grueling torture, for the next news bulletin did not repeat the same error.

The same risk applies to the case here -- i bet the same american-illiterates-mangling that Karl-Marx-Stadt suffered, will be applied to Kiev, by all but the 1% who actually pay any attention to the world.  I mean, if you can even distract their attention away from their phones, and ask them to speak the written word, i bet the majority of them are going to mistake it for the australian chanteuse Kylie Minogue and autocomplete it to that or at least pronounce it in a similar manner, which bears no relation to the pronunciation you likely expect.

I would expect the majority of them to be unable to speak the name of Karl-Marx-Stadt without mangling it exactly as that BBC newsreader's first failed attempt.

By the way, the BBC is the first hit i get for `Chicken Kiev' as well.

obviously the solution would be for americans to grow a familiarity with the rest of the world, but realistically there is no longer any chance of that, and things including spelling have to be dumbed down to their level, as there is too much ambiguity between written and spoken english.

there is a place for insults and pseudo-superiority in osm, but my comments are not that place.

Carry On Arguing.
user_6110846 (2018-12-18 17:30:01+00:00): FRENCH French --- a lot of examples even have a sport

I found it looked just three pages of Google search results country France in French In other countries where FRENCH I did not search and this is Canada Switzerland Belgium

https://www.nuitsdefourviere.com/programme/terabak-de-kyiv 
https://fr.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2398200.html 
https://www.infoclimat.fr/observations-meteo/temps-reel/kyiv-kiev/33345.html?graphiques 
https://fr-fr.roomlala.com/chambre-a-louer/UA-Ukraine/kyiv 
http://www.abb.fr/References/Default.aspx?db=db/db0004/db001502.nsf&c=666f855c0d1b1d37c12575a7003c4336 


Italian spanish catalan dam today till 23 00
user_6110846 (2018-12-18 19:16:21+00:00): name:it
https://culturaestero.regione.emilia-romagna.it/it/notizie/ucraina-le-vie-dellamicizia-ravenna-kyiv
http://www.viaggiatori.net/turismoestero/Ucraina/clima/Kyiv
https://lospiegone.com/2018/10/21/sulla-strada-per-kyiv-in-viaggio-tra-le-due-anime-ucraine/
https://www.ihg.com/destinations/it/it/ukraine/kyiv-hotels
https://www.vvox.it/2018/11/27/crisi-russia-ucraina-kyiv-introduce-legge-marziale/
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_Mohyla
https://www.goeuro.it/viaggi/verona/kyiv
https://www.radio.it/s/kyiv
http://www.caminoaltagliamento.org/coro-accademia-teologica-di-kyiv/
http://testicanzoni.mtv.it/testi-Oskar-Schuster_13986046/testo-Kyiv-70068209
https://books.google.it/books?id=u6lb6_voI4gC&pg=PA333&lpg=PA333&dq=kyiv&source=bl&ots=3UKLFq0Gpq&sig=nsmpkTYLF4O-vqcImkkjEbC_lTs&hl=it&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwid_d24iKrfAhUOposKHY6HBmA4MhDoATAGegQIARAB#v=onepage&q=kyiv&f=false
https://www.diretta.it/squadra/chayka-kyiv-sviatoshyn/GnGcS5fh/
user_6110846 (2018-12-18 21:00:09+00:00): CATALAN                           NAME:CA
https://www.diaridegirona.cat/esports/futbol/europa-league/2018-2019/dynamo-kyiv-fc-astana-62018_01_01_2018194_20183751.html 
https://www.racocatala.cat/noticia/6606/andorra-comenca-promocionar-se-preparar-lactuacio-kyiv-leurovisio-2005 
https://cartesipostalsdarreu.blogspot.com/2018/08/sant-andreu-de-kyiv.html 
http://ca.alumnieeni.com/ua_ct.asp

http://cadenaser.com/emisora/2018/03/07/sercat/1520439445_552419.html
http://www.cttborges.com/el-dkv-borges-vall-senfrontara-al-fortune-kyiv-ducraina-als-16ens-de-final-de-la-ettu-cup/
http://www.eurobloc.cat/?cat=1321
user_6110846 (2018-12-18 21:03:17+00:00): Tomorrow I am at work until 18:00 GMT
I'll look for other languages ​​at bedtime
Pikse (2018-12-19 08:08:29+00:00): Well, and what does this prove? In the same manner you can google uses for "Kiev" in these languages. Judged by Wikipedia titles, which generally aren't random, at least for wide-spread languages, you'll probably find much more results for "Kiev" in these languages.

Also the reliabilty of sources matters. You have linked to some multilingual and/or auto-generated content, that is evidence on hardly anything. Also you need to differentiate "Kiev" as city name and names of other objects like "Kyiv Post" where city name is merely part of it and where probably different conventions apply. Possibly you could start with examining major quality newspapers (e.g. for French lemonde.fr uses "Kiev" for city). Then you should probably look for print atlases and reliable reference works.

But it's hard to know all this without being native speaker or otherwise very well familiar with language in question. I wouldn't try to judge name usage in language that I don't know well enough and I believe you shouldn't either. In case of French name usage you should probably let French-speaking community examine that. Also, French Wikipedia talk page has suggestion to use "Kyiv", but Francophones over there seem quite certain that the city is commonly known as "Kiev" in their language.
user_6110846 (2018-12-19 14:10:49+00:00): read the answer from dwg
your requirements are not there
 
I provided the necessary number of links
I remind you: you are not a map
you can not deny kyiv because "I don’t like or I don’t care how many links you will find"
you can not ban Kyiv by inventing absurd requirements
 

Read your full text in this discussion.;
you only had a criticism of name: nl and two more languages ​​such as Wikipedia do not have any information about Kyiv


My position is this: I have provided the right amount on many topics of use and you have no reason to ban

Tomorrow I will provide the rest of the languages ​​or if I do not find the rest, based on the situation, the book will be only Russian or two at the same time

I remind you: you have not yet introduced me to the international rule for the communities of all countries of the planet Earth, which prohibits two names,  now there is only your desire without evidence of rightness.
Pikse (2018-12-19 18:07:41+00:00): I'm sorry, but you are here the only one constantly deceiving by trying to invent requrements (i.e. "necessary number of links", whatever it is). I quote DWG response above: "find some evidence _in Estonian_ of Kyiv being used rather than Kiev". The situation with Latin-script languages other than Estonian is obviously no different. Links above in no way show that Kyiv is used *rather* than Kiev. Links above (or at least some of them) only show that Kyiv is also used.

I repat: noone suggested that two names as value of one key (if you still specifically suggest that) is prohibited. Neither have you introduced us to agreement about that. As this is unusual then this probably should be agreed upon by language community in question. I don't see why that kind of solution should be up to you to decide while the same as with changes here you are not familiar with conventions of languages in question.
user_6110846 (2018-12-19 19:12:49+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/489126766  
street with two controversial names
 Річкова and Н Сосніної 
note https://translate.google.es/?hl=uk#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=%D0%A3%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0%20%D1%81%D0%BE%20%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%BC%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%BC.%20%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5%20%D0%B2%20%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%85%20%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0%20%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D1%8F%20%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%20%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC.%20%D0%94%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%2C%20%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%20%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%BC%20%2C%20%D0%91%D0%A2%D0%98%2C%20%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%20%D0%A3%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%86%20%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%81%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%8F%20%22%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%81%20%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B%22%20%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B7%D1%83%D1%8E%D1%82%202-%D0%BE%D0%B5%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5.

.Street with a controversial name. Recorded in the documents of the village council is used only by the village council.(village council =alevvald , vald in Estonia  ) StateLandcadastre, payment of social benefits, BTI (=Bureau of Technical Land Inventory)
, State Register of Streets State Register Enterprises StateInformSistems uses the second name

the street has at the same time two official streets with the same authority status
Houses have two official street names at the same time.

The Migration Service of Ukraine gave people a passport of a citizen of Ukraine and on 11 pages they wrote that a person lives on the street with the name number 1
when a resident of the village goes with this passport in the village council = alevvald, vald in Estonia, the emu issue two certificates of family composition. Because the local authority does not know what name is needed at the moment
when a person goes to the local
user_6110846 (2018-12-19 19:33:48+00:00): You did not expect that there will be some examples from Kyiv


After getting acquainted with Kyiv, you just don’t want to admit that Kyiv is a normal translation.
The peculiarity of our project is ignoring the databases of laws of international law
Take for example the mapping of disputed territories: there is written de facto political status
For example, Kosovo, its independence from Serbia will be taken very little, but in our project it is an independent state
Also here: there is confirmation of the use of the Ukrainian name and it is provided to you. On the situation in Kosovo, I showed that the majority opinion our project allows to ignore in order to observe on ground
Required miser granted
I see our discussion ending in the spring when, after quiet winter evenings, spring will come which will bring corrective lifestyle (for example, regular girls in nature, farm work)
I remind you: there is no ban on Kyiv in the DWG text

you only have an argument I don't want
user_6110846 (2018-12-20 08:28:59+00:00): Kyiv in alt name will not be at all in Italian and French and Catalan
Forget about it --- the conversation about it is already finished, there is no longer anything to discuss
, we can make two names Kyiv Kyiv --- a good compromise
user_6110846 (2018-12-20 08:30:53+00:00): kYIV kIEV TWO NAMES
mavl (2018-12-24 23:33:47+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 65744804, 65751034, 65750264, 65748673 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, damage - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2400].
tux67 (2018-11-28 10:03:26+00:00): Hier haben wir jetzt einen Node mit allen Daten und zusätzlich alle Daten am Gebäude .. das ist zuviel .. entweder Node oder Gebäude.
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mavl (2018-12-25 00:31:21+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 65744804, 65751034, 65750264, 65748673 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, damage - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2400].
mavl (2018-12-24 23:36:30+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 65744804, 65751034, 65750264, 65748673 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, damage - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2400].
mavl (2018-12-25 00:41:45+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 65744804, 65751034, 65750264, 65748673 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, damage - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2400].
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mavl (2018-12-25 00:09:07+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 65744804, 65751034, 65750264, 65748673 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, damage - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2400].
mavl (2018-12-24 23:50:28+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 65744804, 65751034, 65750264, 65748673 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, damage - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2400].
mavl (2018-12-24 23:56:26+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 65744804, 65751034, 65750264, 65748673 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, damage - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2400].
Константин Гам (2019-05-17 15:00:25+00:00): Зачем вы садоводство преобразовали в площадку для выгула собак?
GuillaumeTourres (2018-11-27 14:03:43+00:00): Google map may helps:https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Neduvarakulam-Medical+College+Rd,+Anjur,+Kerala+680541,+India/@10.6058635,76.1492797,815m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x3ba7eb94bfd67c61:0x7626fa6e7ca9a7af!8m2!3d10.5990529!4d76.1540334
tux67 (2018-11-28 10:05:47+00:00): Das gleiche Spiel hier .. Node und Gebäude um den Node sind gemappt - wir brauchen nur eines.
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JacobsGruppe (2018-11-28 10:08:48+00:00): Redundate Daten werden gelöscht. Vielen Dank für den Hinweis.
tux67 (2018-11-28 10:58:14+00:00): Prima, dabei aber bitte "behutsam" vorgehen und korrekte adressdaten am Gebäude sowie das building=yes tag stehen lassen.
tux67 (2018-11-29 11:43:01+00:00): Was ist denn mit dem 2. Gebäude - Roermonder Straße 155 .. ist das auch noch Jacobs Gruppe?
user_3022894 (2018-11-28 20:24:37+00:00): Hi Axel,
wenn du wie hier: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/649555976 linienförmige public_transport=platform erstellst, muss dann nicht das zugehörige highway=bus_stop auf den Node an der Straße wandern?
P.S::Ich weiß, es ist meistens nicht so gemacht. Aber weil sonst, wertet man PTV1 und PTV2 aus, zwei Plattformen vorliegen für dieselbe Haltestelle.
Ich würde dich auch gerne noch etws fragen: Welcher Sinn steckt teilweise hinter dem Erstellen linienförmiger Plattformen dort, wo keine wirklichen in der Realität sind? Am Lutherstift gibt es ein Haltestellenschild und das war's dann auch quasi. Kann man nicht auch einfach public_transport=platform AN das highway=bus_stop neben der Straße gepackt werden? Ich meine, PTV2-Plattformen sind doch auch als Punkte erlaubt. So mache ich das bei Haltestellen, die keinen wirklichen Bussteig haben. Ich weiß, das ist ein teilweise sehr kontrovers diskutiertes Thema mit unterschiedlichen Meinungen. Aber trotzdem.
Viele Grüße,
Lukas
user_3022894 (2018-11-29 13:23:07+00:00): Hi,
ich bin's nochmal. Hab mal deine Wikipage und die des VRR gelesen. Hmm, ist ja interessant, dass die das anscheinend auch so wollen mit der linienförmigen Plattform... zumindest klang es für mich so