piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
abakus_uploader (2019-06-02 22:30:40+00:00): (Wiadomość automatyczna)
Cześć!
Otrzymujesz ten komentarz, ponieważ dodałeś lub zmodyfikowałeś adres, który jest niepełny lub błędny.
Adres powinien zawierać minimum trzy znaczniki: addr:city=[nazwa_miejscowosci] + addr:street=[nazwa_ulicy] + addr:housenumber=[numer_porządkowy].
Wyjątkiem są miejscowości bez nazwanych ulic - wtedy stosujemy znaczniki: addr:place=[nazwa_miejscowosci] + addr:housenumber=[numer_porządkowy].
Bez poprawnego oznaczenia adresów, nie będą one brane pod uwagę przez wyszukiwarki, dlatego warto je dostosować do ww. schematu (w zależności od sytuacji).
Więcej informacji na forum: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=5632 - a pytania najlepiej zadawać tu: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=681873
Pozdrawiamy!
alesarrett (2019-06-15 13:00:04+00:00): Ciao Zerenaz, ho visto che hai aggiunto dei tag noexit=yes ad alcuni nodi del marciapiede di via Marco Polo. C'è un motivo per questa scelta? Ne ho cancellati alcuni perché mi sembra non abbiano motivo di esserci lì dove sono stati messi.
geoaria (2019-06-10 17:50:07+00:00): در هنگام ویرایش نقشه مراقب باشید تا اتصالات را قطع نکنید تا خرابی در نقشه ایجاد نشود. قطع اتصال و ایجاد یک مسیر جزیره ای توسط شما در نقشه اصلاح گردید
Frans S (2019-07-22 10:46:44+00:00): Hello. Thanks for mapping here. Please pay more attention on the shape of the buildings. You mapped all buildings here as round buildings despite there are quite a number of rectangular buildings as well. The Bing imagery is clear enough to see the difference. Please use at next mappings the Maxar P imagery. More recent and very clear.
Please see here for new mapping instructions   https://drive.google.com/open?id=1bS_TVHPFHKKVBSdjx3RRQdxhdWrMJ3wdEh_BSnsL4hI                     https://drive.google.com/open?id=1N1rXlAyGcJ6VJ2p3qbD4PRsuo65o3pC5yHB2wq1TGEc
siwilde | Crowd2Map Get

Best regards and keep mapping
Frans S (2019-07-22 11:26:21+00:00): On This webpage you can see your mappings and the adjustments which has been made. Also the offset has been corrected so all buildings seems to be displaced a bit
https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=72510645
See the legend for info
best regards
mavl (2019-12-04 09:01:21+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 77913960, 77919406, 77910048, 77905960 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: an incompatible source].
Palolo (2019-06-03 23:32:46+00:00): The imagery is bad in this area, however, the buildings created here do not exist. Please revert this.
hasaan22 (2019-07-22 06:27:35+00:00): چرا خط با آیدی 
694036880
هیچ گونه تگی دارد ؟
geoaria (2019-06-10 18:00:14+00:00): لطفا در هنگام تغییر نقشه دقت کنید . ویرایش شما در معابر شمالی  هشت بهشت شرقی باعث خرابکاری در نقشه گردیده است. لطفا تا زمانی که به ویرایش نقشه مسلط نیستید از ایجاد تغییر خودداری کنید.
Sosha1996 (2019-07-22 00:18:40+00:00): تگ living_street فقط برای مجتمع‌های مسکونی استفاده میشه و نه معابری مثل اینجا. من همه رو مجبورم برگردونم.
PT-53 (2019-06-09 07:54:13+00:00): Hallo  friedel_hn,
es wäre schön gewesen, wenn Du im Änderungssatz https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/70803937 vermerkt hättest, daß Du die Straße wieder korrigiert und den Radweg gelöscht hast.
Grüße
mavl (2019-12-04 09:00:30+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 77913960, 77919406, 77910048, 77905960 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: an incompatible source].
eggie (2019-06-02 11:40:33+00:00): Hi.. The area of your edit is this big because you connected the outer polygon of the leisure= park to the landuse = residential.
In editor you may use the left Alt-key to prevend this. 
Gr eggie
JulienKarl (2019-06-02 11:44:30+00:00): Oh, thank you! What does change though when I connect it to the residential area in this case?
eggie (2019-06-02 11:56:10+00:00): http://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=70853478
It's not a major problem, but if somebody will move a line the rest will follow. :)
JulienKarl (2019-06-02 11:58:20+00:00): Ahh, and how do I detach, once connected lines?
eggie (2019-06-02 12:01:31+00:00): Hi.. You are editing with editor iD  That's more or less a toy.
In editor JOSM (recommended) I use the G key. I will fix it... no problem. 
Gr eggie
JulienKarl (2019-06-02 12:02:21+00:00): Cool, thank you! I will look into JOSM then :)
eggie (2019-06-02 12:04:06+00:00): Done..
eggie (2019-06-02 12:05:50+00:00): The procedure..  in Dutch
editor josm stap voor stap
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=53710
maraf24 (2019-06-07 10:38:38+00:00): Nie rozumiem: dlaczego droga asfaltowa prowadząca do zabudowań dostaje highway=track, a nie highway=service lub residential? Bo na pewno wiesz, ze jest twarda, skoro dodałeś tracktype=grade1.
Nb. droga ta nie może się łączyć z tym punktem https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6516163561, bo on jest na skarpie.
Wszystko to dobrze widać na ISOK i na ortofotomapie z geoportal.dolnyslask.pl.
Mazda05 (2019-06-02 10:59:07+00:00): & revert to4ka2's vandalism in changeset #70853383, which contains identical edits as in the changeset #70670573
mavl (2019-12-04 09:00:14+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 77913960, 77919406, 77910048, 77905960 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: an incompatible source].
multimodaal (2020-10-04 16:04:33+00:00): Hi, I wondered: why did you tag "bicycle=no" on this track? The general access sign from Staatsbosbeheerin this area  allows cycling and when I visited this track yesterday there was no specific restriction-sign for cycling on this track (there were such signs on the heath-area to the north). Thanks for your reply!
elgolfo (2019-06-03 09:26:39+00:00): Hi Kjon, 

kannst du bitte deine Änderungen am Wasserbecken wieder rückgängig machen?

Das hat schon seine Richtigkeit, dass es landuse=basin war. Laut wiki[0] ist water=basin veraltet.

> water=basin: benutze landuse=basin stattdessen

Viele Grüße
Moritz
[0]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:water
kjon (2019-06-06 06:13:12+00:00): erledigt. jetzt auch lagegerecht nach luftbild verfeinert...
elgolfo (2019-06-06 09:21:19+00:00): Dankeschön.
Irma IRM-ED (2021-06-04 00:49:09+00:00): Hi Kathyaus,
Thanks for your building digitizing, 
your digitizing is good, but imagery with a better resolution (maxar imagery) makes your digitization less relevant, so I'll delete it. Please check https://pewu.github.io/osm-history/#/way/694044212
Thanks again :)
BCNorwich (2019-06-02 15:42:47+00:00): Hello and Welcome to OpenStreetMap.

Sorry to say that your tagging of the sport features is mostly meaningless to OSM. The white lines ought not be mapped at all as there is no tag for them at all. Please see these links for typical sport feature tagging :- https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sport
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dpitch

Regards Bernard
streckenkundler (2019-06-03 20:06:44+00:00): bitte Geometriefehler beseitigen, ich bin es Leid, hinterher zu putzen, und bitte für solche Dinge einen vernünftigen Editor (=JOSM) benutzen!!!

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=areas&lon=13.95206&lat=53.19793&zoom=17&overlays=duplicate_node,single_node_in_way,duplicate_segment,way_in_multiple_rings,intersection,intersecting_segments,ring_not_closed,touching_rings,role_should_be_inner,role_should_be_outer,inner_with_same_tags,ways
Mazda05 (2019-06-02 11:40:40+00:00): to4ka2, в очередной раз напоминаю вам, что А154 - дорога федерального значения. Все дороги федерального значения являются в том числе дорогами межрегионального значения и подходят под описание тега highway=primary. Ваши правки не соответствуют ни https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Highway_classification, ни тексту голосования по классификации дорог
Mazda05 (2019-06-02 11:52:12+00:00): to4ka2, once again I remind you that the A154 is a road of federal significance. All roads of federal significance are also roads of interregional significance and fit the highway=primary tag description. Your edits don't correspond to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Highway_classification, and don't correspond the text of approved proposal (now it is a feature) on the classification of roads
win_03 (2019-07-23 03:10:35+00:00): Hi  RunRunShow,

Trust you are well. While reviewing the road network in Sibu, I have come across the way 204188506
way 204188553
way 204188472
way 204188479
way 204188559
way 204188513
way 449393091
classified as 'residential'. However, going by the aerial imagery and other ways around,it can be classified as 'tertiary'.

And also check from node 2142067964 to node 2142067956
from node 2161086207 to node 2142068396
from node 2142067956 to node 2142068849

Please look into this and share your thoughts on this. 

Thanks in advance.
RunRunShow (2019-07-23 07:32:34+00:00): Hi win_03,

I don't think all those ways were edited by me. Probably a road or node that I'd edited was connected to those roads that OSM logs showed as by me.

However, as a general rule of thumb, short connecting roads in urban residential area are not usually classified as tertiary in this country unless it is a major artillery (commuted heavily by locals before the area is develped etc) or dual carriageway.
ent8r (2019-06-12 13:11:29+00:00): Hallo!
In der Notiz https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1809894 meldet ein Nutzer, dass die Position des Museums nicht stimmt. Kannst du dies bestätigen?
HeckenFolker (2021-01-26 02:46:24+00:00): do you have any info about the 110kV line in front of my house?
kjon (2021-01-26 16:47:03+00:00): Hallo HeckenFolker, was meinst du genau?
The RedBurn (2019-06-03 21:06:12+00:00): En utilisant le fond de carte "shaded relief" (relief déterminé par lidar), on peut voir des creux qui sont probablement des chemins. Si tu les as déjà empruntés, tu pourras peut-être déterminer ce qui correspond à des chemins.
Tundra Runner (2019-06-04 02:18:43+00:00): C'est devenu un semi terrain-vague cet endroit, il y a des trous partout...
The RedBurn (2019-06-03 16:20:02+00:00): Salut Tundra Runner, il n'y a pas/plus de marches dans le Sentier de l'écureuil, finalement ?
Il y a un peu moins d'un an, Loïc Pasteger avait indiqué que ça ressemblait vaguement à un escalier (voir https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49663846) d'où ma note fixme.
mavl (2019-12-04 09:00:02+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 77913960, 77919406, 77910048, 77905960 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: an incompatible source].
Константин Гам (2019-08-07 17:07:59+00:00): Пожалуйста давайте комментарии пакетам правок, не ясно что вы конкретно сделали!
user_5359 (2019-06-03 15:05:49+00:00): hello! Please have a look on https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/694051701. What is the meaning of bild=yes?
mavl (2019-12-04 09:01:17+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 77913960, 77919406, 77910048, 77905960 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: an incompatible source].
PT-53 (2020-01-10 10:00:06+00:00): Hallo MARIUS-FFB,
die Straßen in diesem Neubaugebiet sind aktuell mit der Merkmall-Kombination
highway=residential + construction=yes
markiert. Das ist falsch
Straßen im Bau werden korrekt mit der Merkmal-Kombination
highway=construction + 
construction=* (z.B. residential)
markiert. 
Wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:construction?uselang=de

Da die Straßen ja aber schon geteert sind, werden diese wohl auch für den Verkehr freigegeben sein. Dann könnte das Merkmal construction=yes ja gelöscht werden.

Ist das ein Gewerbegebiet? Dann wäre für die Straßen unclassified anstelle von residential passender.

Schaust Du Dir das nochmal an?
Fragende Grüße
user_5359 (2019-06-03 15:01:27+00:00): Hello! Please have a look on way https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/694055063 Did you mean layer=-1 (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer) or location=underground?
baptistemm (2019-06-02 12:53:33+00:00): ooups, sorry I wrongly update all the set
sdoerr (2019-06-07 09:18:53+00:00): Hi, there. I'm a bit puzzled by the deletion of way 95695139, which was definitely there when I visited three months ago (though the name Rhododendron Avenue is probably wrong). Could this be a mistake?
EdgarAllanPoo (2019-06-07 13:01:03+00:00): Hey, I'm not sure how to see the previous edits? Just showing me a large orange box so I'm not sure exactly what road you are talking about.
sdoerr (2019-06-07 14:13:01+00:00): Yes, it did occur to me that you might not be able to tell what I'm talking about! Sorry.

If you go to https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=70856596, you will see all the objects modified by this changeset. This includes two red ways, which were deleted. The more southerly one is the one I am talking about. Apart from anything else, without this way, Flint Rise is cut off from the rest of the development.

Steve
sdoerr (2019-06-10 18:01:41+00:00): Just to say that I have undeleted the way I mentioned.
opendcc (2019-06-02 13:41:30+00:00): Hallo,

dann muß man den cycleway track von der AÖ2 rausnehmen. Schau bei https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:cycleway

Servus Wolfgang
mavl (2019-12-04 09:00:59+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 77913960, 77919406, 77910048, 77905960 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: an incompatible source].
BCNorwich (2019-06-02 13:56:29+00:00): Hello and Welcome to OpenStreetMap.

I started editing some of your contributions and thought them a long way off the imagery. Looking further I realise you are using the Bing imagery layer which here is way out of date. Please look at the Maxar imagery layer and hopefully see a huge difference.

Imagery can be changed in the iD editor by clicking open the background settings (on the right) then select Maxar.

Regards Bernard.
BCNorwich (2019-06-02 13:57:02+00:00): Forgot to say if you need help please just ask.
EdgarAllanPoo (2019-06-02 17:35:20+00:00): Hello Bernard,

Thanks so much for the input! I basically was just trying to freehand by looking at google maps side by side since the picture had absolutely no data. This is an extremely helpful tip! I will fix all this according to the Maxar imagery layer. 

Really appreciate the help!

- Erik
EdgarAllanPoo (2019-06-02 17:40:54+00:00): I see you've already helped me fix what I started. I hope what I put in was at least somewhat of a help! 

Thanks again Bernard, great knowing this going forward.
BCNorwich (2019-06-02 19:18:50+00:00): Hi there, 

It is not allowed to use Google in any way in order to contribute to OSM because of copyright issues. It would be best to revert/remove everything that was added by looking at Google. Please see this link, scroll down to Copyright Infringement :- https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright

I have reverted the changes that I made to the additions you made because I'm not happy with the knowledge I now have.

If you decide to revert and need help please just ask.

Regards Bernard.
EdgarAllanPoo (2019-06-02 22:41:54+00:00): Very sorry. Did not know this was the policy. Won't happen again.
seattlefyi (2019-06-03 18:46:40+00:00): Hi, thanks for the edits! Was just wondering if you knew if the address at this deleted node is still good? (It looks like you added it in the first place, but just deleted it along with the closed business). The iD editor has a new "downgrade" option which allows you to remove everything but address tags, so we don't lose them for the next tenant. Thanks again!
lpalli (2019-06-03 19:03:45+00:00): I restored the address, thanks the suggestion
mavl (2019-06-02 18:16:32+00:00): Здравствуйте. Спасибо за участие в проекте OpenStreetMap.  
  
Этот пакет правок удалил некоторые газоны. Например:  
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/543829194/history  
  
В OpenStreetMap объекты можно удалять только тогда, когда эти объекты больше не существуют на местности. Эти газоны существуют и их не нужно удалять.  
Также этот пакет добавил луг в Тюмени с названием "Луг".  
Во-первых, как луг может иметь название "Луг"?  
Во-вторых, откуда в Тюмени луг?  
  
Про названия можно почитать статью:  
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Key:name  
  
Изменения, сделанные в этом пакете правок, отменены.
azakh-world (2019-06-03 11:53:12+00:00): Hello.
There already exist nodes denoting subway stations, e.g. https://www.osm.org/node/367098730 
When you set "railway=station" onto a building, it became two station object. Duplicating features is incorrect. The validator page shows you where errors are: http://osm-subway.maps.me/france.html
Please, fix the errors and in the future don't create duplicates.

Best regards,
Alexey
mavl (2019-06-02 18:23:08+00:00): Здравствуйте. Этот пакет правок добавил для детской площадки название "Детская площадка". "Детская площадка" - это не название объекта, а его тип. Тип объекта указывается с помощью тегов.  
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8B
Anasûrimbor Kellhus (2019-06-02 14:02:07+00:00): Комментарий остался от старого пакета правок. В данном пакете добавил новые домики в СНТ
frosm (2019-06-27 09:24:59+00:00): Bonjour,
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/60965817
que voulez-vous dire par private=yes ?
Jean François Vole (2019-06-28 14:39:20+00:00): Bonjour. C'est un chemin privé et fermé par un portail. Interdit au public.
frosm (2019-07-01 23:02:06+00:00): bonjour,
l'accès privé se renseigne dans osm avec access=private
access=no veux dire que c'est interdit à tout le monde (par ex une route fermée pour cause de travaux).
j'ai fais la modif sur 5 routes, il y en a peut-être d'autres que je n'ai pas vu.
bonne continuation
viloan (2019-06-02 14:10:48+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
muralito (2019-06-02 17:17:28+00:00): Esto quizas sea mejor no mapearlo como amenity=parking. Es un deposito de autos a cielo abierto, no un lugar donde las personas estacionan su auto.
LoboWinter (2019-06-24 12:07:33+00:00): Tengo entendido que es el estacionamiento para empleados de Peugeot, voy a buscar mas info para confirmarlo. Gracias por el aviso :-D
Anasûrimbor Kellhus (2019-06-02 14:23:38+00:00): Комментарий остался от старого пакета правок. В данном пакете добавил новые домики в СНТ
PT-53 (2019-06-22 17:00:41+00:00): Hallo bergfrei,
Du hast bei Bad Schussenried diese Schranke https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6516372115 neu eingezeichnet.
Im OSM-Inspector wird jetzt ein Hinweis "islands" angezeigt:
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routing&lon=9.67002&lat=47.99882&zoom=17&opacity=0.65&overlays=duplicated_edges,islands_car,snap_points,unconnected_open_ends_1,unconnected_open_ends_2,unconnected_open_ends_3,unconnected_open_ends_4,unconnected_open_ends_5,unconnected_open_ends_6
Ursache ist, daß die Wege nach der Schranke nicht das gleiche Access-Merkmal wie die Schranke selbst haben.

Gibt es da nicht ein Gerichtsverfahren zwischen Stadt und Eigentümer?
Gibt es da schon eine Entscheidung / Einigung?

Schaust Du Dir das nochmal an?

Grüße
PT-53 (2019-06-24 04:54:41+00:00): Hallo bergfrei,
Du hast zwischenzeitlich weitere Bearbeitungen dort vorgenommen. Die Ausfspaltung dieses Weges https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32726224#map=18/48.00030/9.66952 und Ergänzung des Access-Merkmales nach diesem Tor  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6516372115 dabei wohl übersehen.
Schaust Du Dir das nochmal an?
Grüße
bergfrei (2019-06-26 19:16:13+00:00): Hallo PT-53,

bzgl. deinem Punkt
"...Gibt es da nicht ein Gerichtsverfahren zwischen Stadt und Eigentümer?
Gibt es da schon eine Entscheidung / Einigung?.."
kann ich leider nichts dazu sagen.

Gruß bergfrei
Rizki IRM-ED (2022-12-16 05:59:17+00:00): Hi KaelGotRice. Your edit looks awesome, but I improve water body (id 694066858) due crossing with highway. If you have any other suggestion, please let me know (https://maproulette.org/challenge/30161/task/142918492). Thank you.
eggie (2019-06-02 14:54:44+00:00): Dag Alex.. Probeer te voorkomen dan je de paden vastmaakt aan de landuse forest. Ik heb het pad net losgemaakt.
De linker alttoets gebruiken en editor iD plakt niet.
MVG,
Eggie
Alex-98723 (2019-06-03 09:19:52+00:00): Sorry for the mistake, Eggie. Looks like you have corrected it already? I do not see this connection any more. 
Sorry, I am not a professional editor in maps at all, but I will remember this advice.
eggie (2019-06-03 09:56:42+00:00): Hi Alex.. It's okay now.. No problem ... :)
Alex-98723 (2019-06-03 10:21:07+00:00): Yes, I found where I can see it. Thank you for correcting.
dikkeknodel (2019-07-30 19:10:13+00:00): Hi Janikovic,
I was hiking in and around Engelberg myself recently, nice place. I noticed you added this relation named Yellow Diamond when I was updating my findings into OSM. Since I mainly focus on hiking routes, I saw some opportunity to enrich this route relation and correct it to the tagging guidelines for the local walking network (lwn) in Switzerland. If you want to contribute to this route network, I suggest you have a look at the wiki [1].
Keep up the happy mapping!
Cheers, dikkeknodel
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/HikingNetwork
stevea (2019-06-02 20:40:00+00:00): Please replace this trail:  it exists, it simply has been set to access=no in the park.  It is an old fire road, really is there, and was tagged properly by user:adelman with access=no properly a week or two ago.
Aleksei Potov (2019-06-02 21:23:07+00:00): This from MBOSC organization that did the re-route: "Additional work will happen this summer to decommission the old fire road." - meaning this roads is expected to overgrow and disappear. I see no point in having this road on the map.
stevea (2019-06-02 21:27:58+00:00): OK, that makes sense, thanks for your comment.  (Although the road still IS there and OSM likely benefits most when it actually DOES disappear).

I also messaged user:adelman (Ken) and he says he was just out there today and is going to do an edit soon as "I think the correct disposition of the old trail is to disconnect and delete the first 20ft from each end of the two sections, leaving the rest intact. Those areas of the old road are covered in brush and clearly “decommissioned”. Based on ground truthing today."

So let's wait for his edits.  If the roughly-parallel "Englesman Loop" is bicycle-friendly, it can be used to restore connectivity to CycleNet mtb/lcn route 122M, which I'll do after I see Ken's edits and he gets back to me whether the Loop (not the old fire road) is bicycle=yes or bicycle=designated.  Thanks.