piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-02-24 03:43:24+00:00): This changeset reverts some or all edits made in changesets 99309253, 99310580, 99310631, 99389158, 99389369, 99389571, 99389772, 99390318, 99390600, 99390713, 99390828, 99391056, 99391435, 99401711, 99401870, 99402182, 99402324, 99402465, 99480873, 99480921, 99481044, 99481261, 99481393, 99481544, 99484665, 99484914, 99485074, 99485203, 99485298, 99485313, 99485644, 99485786, 99486006, 99486224, 99486260, 99486338, 99486566, 99486614, 99486723, 99486820, 99558640, 99558872, 99559271, 99559523, 99559801, 99560461, 99561774, 99565658, 99615341, 99615946, 99618439, 99618499, 99618573, 99618619, 99618979, 99621542, 99621688, 99621868, 99622091, 99622127, 99622178, 99622195, 99622212, 99622227, 99622244, 99622261, 99622456, 99623982, 99624066, 99624114, 99624125, 99624132, 99624143, 99624157, 99624179, 99627398, 99627403, 99627414, 99627453, 99627469, 99627496, 99627525, 99627559, 99627585, 99627639, 99627740, 99627758, 99627766, 99627782, 99627799, 99643024, 99643055, 99643099, 99643123, 99643166, 99643193, 99643228, 99643498, 99643619, 99643708, 99643720, 99643758, 99643786, 99643900, 99643975, 99644068, 99644122, 99644158, 99644195, 99644756, 99644813, 99644910, 99644957, 99645031, 99645168, 99645231, 99645616, 99645742, 99645840, 99645884, 99645941, 99666645, 99666845, 99666855, 99666863, 99666879, 99666892, 99666918, 99666939, 99666951, 99666966, 99667009, 99667030, 99667061, 99667227, 99667321, 99667353, 99667399, 99667411, 99667474, 99667494, 99667506, 99667516, 99667533, 99667559, 99667608, 99667631, 99667672, 99667727, 99667754, 99667767, 99668249, 99668268, 99668327, 99668378, 99668399, 99668432, 99668481, 99668499, 99668526, 99668550, 99668579, 99668587, 99693848, 99693896, 99693950, 99694021, 99694109, 99694177, 99694269, 99694428, 99694475, 99694696, 99694830, 99694888, 99694932, 99695157, 99695213, 99695240, 99695323, 99696533, 99696578, 99696746, 99696917, 99696969, 99697456, 99697553, 99697671, 99697768, 99697798, 99697831, 99705330, 99705347, 99705398, 99705417, 99705528, 99705541, 99705601, 99705616, 99705665, 99705714, 99705749, 99705794, 99705822, 99705864, 99705893, 99705924, 99706980, 99717609, 99717670, 99717748, 99717834, 99717920, 99717993, 99718063, 99718151, 99718393, 99718440, 99718687, 99718754, 99718837, 99718908, 99719159, 99719210, 99719308, 99719378, 99719432, 99719494, 99719574, 99719771, 99720870, 99736059, 99736118, 99736208, 99736309, 99736420, 99736525, 99736842.
SafetyIng (2021-02-24 08:41:47+00:00): Sorry, what? 
You revert actuall the contact:facebook-Scheme
Facebook-Pages are no websites. Where do you have discussed this?
SafetyIng (2021-02-24 08:43:54+00:00): Often you destroyed also the tagging of contact:facebook with the facebook-URI (now there is only the username)
SomeoneElse (2021-02-24 12:24:17+00:00): @SafetyIng Can you give examples of objects where there is a problem?
SomeoneElse (2021-02-24 12:39:16+00:00): For completeness, the DWG was aware of a number of complaints (see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/99736842 among others) and received a complaint on Monday night.  This change just sets things back to how they were before the previous mass edit.  It doesn't affect any objects edited since to add other information.
SafetyIng (2021-02-24 13:24:41+00:00): No, sorry. The returning of contact:facebook to website is false. 
an website of facebook is everytime owned by facebook self. A facebook page is only an subelement of the facebook-Webpage.
Because of that there is the contact:facebook-Scheme.
SomeoneElse (2021-02-24 13:28:28+00:00): @SafetyIng So to be clear, you're not aware of examples of any objects where there is a problem where "now there is only the username"?
SafetyIng (2021-02-24 13:56:01+00:00): Then you have to ask more clearly. Examples: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29053098
I couldn't even begin to look through all of them. But this is effectively an overall action fuss that has extremely deteriorated the information content and diluted.
Mateusz Konieczny (2021-02-24 15:40:14+00:00): @SafetyIng

This is revert of automated edits done in violation of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29053098 was apparently edit that got caught in sea of automated edits. I restored this specific contact:facebook edit
Mateusz Konieczny (2021-02-24 15:43:08+00:00): It is possible that other edits done in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/99484665 were also not harmful but this edit was also done in violation of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct (or it was manual edit, made in way that looks like automatic, without proper changeset splitting at the same time as making "selected by overpass, checked by python, uploaded manually" automated edits)
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:32:46+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:37:15+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:53:38+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:56:17+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:21:09+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:47:41+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:44:00+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:27:52+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:33:00+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
nevw (2021-02-24 10:25:01+00:00): Hi
welcome to the osm.
I don't like to be too picky but you need to try harder to map the house shapes more accurately. By zooming in closer a more accurate shape can be drawn and there is a tool in iD that can further square the corners if necessary. https://learnosm.org/en/hot-tips/tracing-rectangular-buildings/
ScottWalkerAU (2021-05-18 09:06:38+00:00): Fixed issue in 104876355 where the bridge got disconnected from the road
rocky2109 (2021-05-20 10:00:30+00:00): Hi ScottWalkerAU,
Thank for fixing error.

Regards,
rocky2109
tarta (2021-02-25 16:06:39+00:00): Boa tarde lefauchelevent, só passando para dar um concelho.
Uma boa prática para a comunidade, é deixar as praças separado das vias, elas não devem ficar usando o mesmo nó.
Nessa edição, você coloco a praça entre a Rua 58 e a 
Rrua A Treze  compartilhando os mesmo dados. Um bom exemplo é a praça ao lado com nome Área Verde Pública que está separado da via.
Espero que entenda, bom mapeamento.
rocky2109 (2021-02-24 03:58:49+00:00): Bing aerial imagery is used instead of Esri World Imagery
habi (2021-02-25 14:48:42+00:00): Hey
With the help of https://osm.mueschelsoft.de/taginfo/newkeys.htm I have seen that in this changeset you added several ways with the tag 'oparator' and 'operator' (see 
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/14aa)
It seems to me that this is a typo.
Unfortunately, for several items you added both, so I cannot figure out which one is the valid key.
Can you correct this?
LuxuryCoop_Import (2021-02-26 11:30:19+00:00): Sorry, I've corrected it. (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/100046349)
habi (2021-02-26 13:27:08+00:00): No need to be sorry, we're all working to make a better map!
Happy mapping!
Kovoschiz (2021-02-24 08:46:14+00:00): This is considered tagging for renderer. A building won't be called "Ko Tong". The correct tag to use is `addr:place:en=` for villages with address numbers assigned.
Kovoschiz (2021-02-24 08:49:12+00:00): (The other changeset) 
In this changeset, using `addr:street=` may produce correct-looking result as `addr:place=`, but inconsistent and semantically off.
Kovoschiz (2021-02-24 08:50:58+00:00): You can look at the surrounding objects as examples of what's already tagged.
Kovoschiz (2021-02-24 08:48:09+00:00): This is considered tagging for renderer. A building won't be called "Ko Tong". The correct tag to use is `addr:place:en=` for villages with address numbers assigned.
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:34:18+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:43:35+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:26:34+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
user_5359 (2022-07-01 10:29:56+00:00): Hello! Please have a look on https://www.osm.org/way/910311100. What is the meaning of the tag road=yes?
Artibonite (2022-07-04 06:57:37+00:00): Hello user_5359! After checking the history of this road, it appears the road=yes tag was added by the user "jerivillas" who created the roads in this area in 2017. Have a great day!
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:56:55+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:46:02+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:46:03+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
Irma IRM-ED (2021-05-25 03:38:50+00:00): Hi p_kota,
your highway digitizing is good. But,
I have changed the highway classification based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway
How about a residential highway?
Kindly check with
https://pewu.github.io/osm-history/#/way/910320020
Thank you.
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:31:36+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:33:47+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:36:19+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
user_5359 (2021-02-25 06:13:35+00:00): Welcome to OSM! Please have a look on https://www.osm.org/node/8451847827: What is your interpretation of access=2 ?
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:55:27+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:24:46+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:23:28+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:49:34+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
MxxCon (2021-02-24 08:08:55+00:00): Changeset comments and description fields MUST NEVER be used as advertisement messages!
As such this POI have been updated to remove spam information.
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            #REVIEWED_BAD #OSMCHA
            Published using OSMCha: https://osmcha.org/changesets/99873736
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:23:35+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
Glassman (2021-02-25 03:22:19+00:00): #TIP: Square the building by selecting the outline then just type a "q"
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            Published using OSMCha: https://osmcha.org/changesets/99874440
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:28:01+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:47:46+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-07-28 20:42:14+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 108776146, 108778638 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some allegedly Google-derived and otherwise poor edits in the Philippines and Nigeria.  See https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83 , https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2021-July/006788.html et al
Glassman (2021-02-25 03:23:50+00:00): #TIP: square the building by selecting the outline then just type a "q"
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            Published using OSMCha: https://osmcha.org/changesets/99876322
Roadsguy (2021-03-05 22:52:22+00:00): Why do you keep reverting this? The "ramp" in question is the physical freeway mainline. I-83 bears off onto a ramp and the freeway continues, with US 322 immediately merging in. It being signed as a numbered exit doesn't make it physically a ramp.
mapsru (2021-03-11 02:53:27+00:00): Hello Roadsguy,
I always try to reflect reality from a mapping and guidance perspective when tagging these complex interchanges. As a user is traveling on I-83 North they come to a decision point where they need to keep left to stay on I-83 North or keep right to take exit 46 toward Hershey. I do agree that the left segment should be tagged as a motorway_link. Since the road segment to the right is not a named road segment, has an exit number, and connects I-83 North to US-322 East - that is why I tagged it as a motorway_link. The map looks appropriate and so does the guidance - for example:
1: Drive east on I 83 North.
2: Keep right to take exit 46B onto US 322 East toward Hershey.
3: You have arrived at your destination.

However, I do not think that every road segment that has a numbered exit should be a tagged with motorway_link - an example would be I-895 South (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/6009977#map=16/39.3222/-76.5308) in Baltimore. When the highway bifurcates - both the left and right segments are high speed named roads - therefore, tagging as a motorway_link does not make sense for this case.
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-06-05 13:27:39+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 105882167, 105878073 where the changeset comment is: Following a report to the DWG, reverting some road merge edits in South Africa.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5047 and https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-za/2021-May/thread.html#1295 .
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-06-05 13:28:21+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 105882167, 105878073 where the changeset comment is: Following a report to the DWG, reverting some road merge edits in South Africa.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5047 and https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-za/2021-May/thread.html#1295 .
user_5359 (2021-02-26 06:50:46+00:00): Hello! The tag building:levels=0 means that the building has no height above ground level. If you want to indicate that your shop is located on the ground floor, the tag level=0 is the correct tag.

See https://www.osm.org/way/782610432, https://www.osm.org/way/782696152
Lachgast (2023-10-30 17:58:38+00:00): Hi phypere,

Came across your edits while doing some work on the surroundings here, aswell. Great work!

I checked your remark about the "9000", and it seems it indeed doesn't exist anymore. Checked with the Kadaster and reported the building (because it was still listed as 'in use'). Turns out it was demolished around 2002, pre-OSM times!

So I guess we can safely remove the building now. The path through should be correct based on my data.

Cheers! 
Lachgast
ianlopez1115 (2021-02-24 08:21:20+00:00): This changeset reverts some or all edits made in changesets 99555205, 99554984, 99554899, 99554533, 99554392, 99553962, 99553784, 99553893, 99553755, 99553627, 99553584, 99553461
ianlopez1115 (2021-02-24 11:33:26+00:00): This changeset reverts some or all edits made in changesets 99521949, 99520811, 99513629, 99513504, 99513429, 99513688, 99513558, 99513277
ianlopez1115 (2021-02-24 11:38:53+00:00): This changeset also reverts some or all edits made in changesets 99496829, 99497496, 99497376, 99497407, 99497172, 99497218, 99497298, 99496318, 99496439
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-06-13 17:43:58+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 106288172, 106291668 where the changeset comment is: Following a report to the DWG, reverting some road merge edits in South Africa.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5046 and https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-za/2021-May/thread.html#1295 .
abakus_uploader (2021-02-24 23:31:47+00:00): (Wiadomość automatyczna)
Cześć!
Otrzymujesz ten komentarz, ponieważ dodałeś lub zmodyfikowałeś adres, który jest niepełny lub błędny.
Adres powinien zawierać minimum trzy znaczniki: addr:city=[nazwa_miejscowosci] + addr:street=[nazwa_ulicy] + addr:housenumber=[numer_porządkowy].
Wyjątkiem są miejscowości bez nazwanych ulic - wtedy stosujemy znaczniki: addr:place=[nazwa_miejscowosci] + addr:housenumber=[numer_porządkowy].
Bez poprawnego oznaczenia adresów, nie będą one brane pod uwagę przez wyszukiwarki, dlatego warto je dostosować do ww. schematu (w zależności od sytuacji).
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SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-06-05 13:26:27+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 105882167, 105878073 where the changeset comment is: Following a report to the DWG, reverting some road merge edits in South Africa.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5047 and https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-za/2021-May/thread.html#1295 .