Adamant1 (2022-01-30 02:35:10+00:00): <There isn’t much riding on the classification of these downtown streets

Just like there isn't/wasn't much riding on how a grassy area in Santa Cruz was/is tagged. Yet the debate, disagreement, and me re-tagging said areas from parks to meadows led to me and SteveA both being blocked, because "local mappers have the final say" or whatever. Aside from being blocked over the whole thing, I'm not allowed to map in the Santa Cruz area anymore because of it and still get harassed by SteveA randomly every couple of years. Which in the grand schemes of things I could really give a crap about, but standards are standards. If the standard is local mappers have the final word then that should be it. I could really care less what the other details of it are. I want to tag the roads in Redding how I want to and that should be the end of the discussion. I've already explained why and it makes sense to me. I don't care if it makes sense to btwhite92 or not. Otherwise, I'd really appreciate an apology from you, Woodpeck, SteveA, a couple of other people who took issue with me 'getting out of my lane" or whatever and the ability to map in Santa Cruz again. SteveA should also get the same apology. If not, then suck it up and deal with it. I have to and so did he when we were both blocked. In the meantime if nothing is riding on it then it doesn't really matter and there's zero reason to not just tag the roads how I'm requested they be tagged. 

< That’s a stylistic decision OSM should be able to accommodate; to assume otherwise is to cater to osm-carto specifically.

I could care less about how OSM-Carto renders things. I haven't mentioned them once in this discussion. Nothing I've said has to do with rendering. That said, how is catering to some imaginary piece of software that only renders trunk roads at higher zoom levels be any better then catering to OSM-Carto? If we aren't tagging for the rendering, then lets not tag for the rendering. That's kind of what this whole exercise is coming off like from your side of the discussion though. Like it shouldn't really matter what the road is tagged as in btwhite92 scenario about someone traveling to Eureka from Reno, because they will just put the destination in their routing software and go. No one is looking at their phones constantly while driving to make sure the road they are on is being rendered. 

<I feel like this analysis of traffic patterns through Redding is hyper-fixated on local Redding traffic

I mean sure, because I'm a local mapper, you re-tagged roads here, and that's what this discussion is about. Would you prefer I find some random edits to roads you've made in Los Angeles and take issue with them? People on here seem to have a massive obsession with having second order meta discussions about everything. It's super pedantic and just leads to needless disagreements like this one. Like Minh Nguyen said, there isn't much riding on this. So why not just get over it and allow for there to be a couple of exceptions to your proposal or whatever it is? This literally doesn't matter and I'm super tired of discussing it. Sorry, but I don't care about your friends in Reno. Get over it. 

<but *is* the way you would recommend out-of-town traffic passing west through Salem to take.

You know that however the roads are tagged you can recommend whatever route to people that you want to right? I highly doubt when your telling your friends in Reno the best way to get to Eureka that your like "take the Eureka Way trunk road east to the 299 trunk road" or whatever. Eureka Way could be tagged as an alley and you can still tell people that it's a good way to get to Eureka. Your just being super pedantic about the whole thing for some reason. In the meantime, the whole "local mapper has authority on tagging" should be enough to put this to rest. 

And just an FYI, I've always thought it was a BS standard, but I've been brow beat so much about it in the last 6 years that I don't really care anymore. At the end of the day it's your issue if your unable to win over the local community to how you want things tagged there. Just make an exception and move on. I do it all the time when I'm down in Santa Cruz and can't map or use OSM there because SteveA has such a janky, abnormal way of tagging things and doesn't allow to modify it. Even when it comes to approved tags he's way of tagging is extremely unhelpful. More power to him though. It's his right to tag things how he wants to there. Just like I do up here.