piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
stevea (2019-05-16 00:03:52+00:00): There are also chicken coops (and grain-scatter areas for them to free-range), hog pens (ditto), llama ranches, and ostrich enclosures here (yes, I've eaten at the Ostrich Grill in Capitola; they source their ostrich locally).

As landuse=farmland includes (from our wiki) "wide open space for grazing animals" I wanted to assure you that both plant-based agriculture and animal-based farming both take place here.
SomeoneElse (2019-05-17 14:16:19+00:00): Re "Oh, Andy, my goodness; that old trick" there's no "trick" here - I read and reread what you wrote several times but communication simply did not occur.
Re the second explanation - thanks, that's clearer.
What I think you're saying is:
There are trees in both.
People chop trees down in both.
Before they chop trees down in one they need to get a permit.
Before the chop tress down in the other they don't need to get  permit.
Is that correct?
stevea (2019-05-17 15:49:45+00:00): Yes, that's correct, but a permit to chop down trees is not the defining criterion, simply one of them.  OSM's "landuse=forestry" is a mess (at least 7 approaches worldwide, we largely hew to what our wiki defines Approach 3 around here).  Here, landuse=farmland has what I'd call a "generous" or "elastic" application of its definition that includes everything from mushroom cultivation to gathering acorns to make nut butter to growing herbs for aromatherapy to llama ranches.  So, just because you "see in imagery" what look like "mostly trees" doesn't mean that the land isn't farmland as OSM defines it:  it is.

Please answer whether I have done something wrong here (and my other questions), this back-and-forth feels like a thesis defense, except you keep changing your questions and don't answer mine.
iandees (2019-05-17 16:10:32+00:00): Tone it down, SteveA. There's no need to be confrontational.
stevea (2019-05-17 16:57:01+00:00): Wow, Ian.  I am polite, conciliatory, answer questions, say please and thank you, and try not to sound strident as I dialog.  Without actually saying I am confrontational, you hint that I was.  I don't characterize this dialog as confrontational, though what you might detect is my frustration that I don't believe I've done anything wrong here, have bent over backwards to explain, yet this has drip-drip-dripped for a week.  Honestly, it feels like I am being badgered.

Nobody says I've done anything wrong, it is simply hinted at (or is it?).  Nobody says my behavior IS confrontational, it is simply stated that "there is no need."  I know that, I actually don't like confrontation.  I simply want to know what the problem is (if any) or if this is a misunderstanding, a lack of semantic clarity in our landuse tagging values, or what.  Yet I don't get answers while I answer changing questions.  In a real dialog, that would frustrate anybody.  I continue to make myself available to answer questions, as that is the right thing to do, but please understand that everybody's patience exhausts and my frustration is up (as I don't understand what this is).

To snap back to the beginning  (and I repeat myself):  "Is it really all farmland in OSM terms?"  Answer:  Yes.  "The imagery suggests that it looks like..." Reply:  "'The imagery suggests' is a not-wholly-sufficient criterion for making a determination of landuse.  It is one criterion among many, but these lands are agricultural landuse:  the owners say so, public records reflect that, I've seen myriad kinds of farming activity here with my own eyes on-the-ground..., hence farmland."

Are there superior data (locally sourced, contradictory to or improvements upon what I have entered...) which might replace these 'first-draft' data?  Well, yes, I have micro-mapped vineyards, orchards, greenhouse_horticulture where I see them.  Of course, I invite you or others to contribute further improvements to these data.  But to assert (and I'm not truly sure Andy has, part of my frustration) that this isn't farmland simply invites discussion.  Yet despite my efforts to weave my way through this, if I were a lawyer/barrister I would say, "Asked and answered."  Yes?
iandees (2019-05-17 17:14:06+00:00): Literally every message you leave in these conversations is escalatory in nature. And *I* am saying your behavior or confrontational, so it's not "nobody". Your reaction to the community asking you valid questions is that you feel that you're being badgered and you react defensively with long posts that don't answer the question others have asked.
stevea (2019-05-17 17:16:34+00:00): Ian, Andy and community:  really, all I wish to do is fully answer the question(s) and move on.
Adamant1 (2019-05-17 23:09:58+00:00): 1. If decide to put a bee hive in my backyard that I then cultivate honey from to sell at the local farmers market (which my city permits me to do), in your opinion would it then be better to re-tagged my property as landuse=farmland from landuse=residential? 

2. If so, how exactly would it benefit OSM viewers to do so compared to leaving it residential so they know that there is a house, driveway, garage etc there from looking at the landuse? Remember, this is ultimately a consumer map. 

(Btw, the questions could apply to any of your scenarios)

3. The Wiki definition of residential says it is"An area  having predominantly residential buildings such as houses or apartment buildings." Notice "having predominantly." How would you interpret that in this context and "getting a permit to chop down trees", "having an Apiary", or any of your other scenarios? Especially in the area of Transom Court where it's clearly "predominantly residential", there's obviously no "areas used for tillage" and there probably never will be,

Btw, the Transom Court is neighborhood is 100% an instance where the images should override the counties defined landuse boundaries for exactly the reason's I gave in 2 and there is no "ambiguity" when it comes to the tag definitions as claimed in that instance either IMHO.

P.S. This might have been a little long, but it was still sorter than SteveA's messages that it was based on IMHO and a lot sorter than some of my other messages ;)
LeifRasmussen (2019-05-17 23:38:01+00:00): > 1. If decide to put a bee hive in my backyard that I then cultivate honey from to sell at the local farmers market (which my city permits me to do), in your opinion would it then be better to re-tagged my property as landuse=farmland from landuse=residential? 
 
I have bee hives, and I've marked my neighborhood as residential, just like it should be :)
stevea (2019-05-18 03:11:18+00:00): Thank you for sharing your opinion of how you tag your own neighborhood, Leif.
Adamant1 (2019-05-18 06:00:56+00:00): "Ian, Andy and community: really, all I wish to do is fully answer the question(s)"

I guess since he didn't answer my questions, he doesn't consider me a member of the community. Sad :(

"I have bee hives, and I've marked my neighborhood as residential, just like it should be :)"

Thanks for contributing to the discussion. It's always nice to get tagging advice from users who actually do the things we are discussing.
tux67 (2019-05-02 13:35:36+00:00): Hi xcep - ist das eine im Sinne der OSM Lizenz gültige Quelle? Haben wir die Erlaubnis diese Vorlage zu verwenden?

Gruß
tux67
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xcep (2019-05-03 07:44:23+00:00): Die Quelle ist eine Sitzungsvorlage eines öffentlich tagenden Gremiums, insofern ist von einer Verwendbarkeit auszugehen. Abseits davon sind die Eintragungen hier im gleichen Maße aus Ortskenntnis entstanden (Bauvorbereitungen lassen sich aktuell beobachten, Trasse weicht leicht von den ursprünglichen Planungen ab).
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Jarek 🚲 (2019-05-02 00:15:02+00:00): I've also adjusted tracks I previously drew around Adelaide/Victoria - they didn't seem to match Esri now (or any imagery really) even though I tagged my initial drawing as based off Esri. Has Esri imagery shifted, or was I just crazy off?
viloan (2019-05-02 00:28:57+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
viloan (2019-05-02 00:48:35+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
spatialia (2026-03-23 03:23:10+00:00): Hey Steve - I'm deferring to you because I know this is your region of expertise, but I'm looking at the ruins in the bottom corner of this changeset right now and imagery and survey seem to indicate there's a structure there now. Are the ruins still appropriate for that spot? Thanks!
stevea (2026-03-23 03:30:48+00:00): Yeah, it's a rebuilt house now, so I've changed the (identical) footprint to building=house.  Thanks for catching this!
Váradi Attila (2019-05-02 16:23:44+00:00): Please do not create changesets (fixed wrong mp roles) without even looking on the Bing, Esri Imagery. The relations, and the roles were just fine. The scrub was intentionally left inside of forest mp. After your "fixing", the outer lines are in wrong order, and the scrub is in outside of the mp.
B_KSL (2019-05-02 18:00:30+00:00): It is pity that you do not like my changes but you are not right with your claims. Relations and roles were not fine! If you want, I'll send you a link to a photo where all your mistakes are clearly visible. And I looked at the pictures of Esri, although that would not be necessary to improve such simple technical mistakes. Scrub is not forest. As inner in the multipolygon ok, but not if the lines of outer and inner ring are adjacent to each other. Sorry but you disregard multipolygon's rules. These are mistakes - nothing is fine!
Váradi Attila (2019-05-02 20:24:43+00:00): I use validation tools (Osmose, Josm plugin) and didn't show any errors. I'd checked twice, the outer/inner relations, and the rendering was ok. "Scrub is not forest"...There was a forest. They cut the trees, and now its full of bushes, small trees. After a couple of years, the small trees grow larger, and will became again forest.
B_KSL (2019-05-02 21:52:32+00:00): Josm plugin will not show this error, osmose should. Osmi is the best choice in this case, I think. Which rendering? There is not only mapnik. Maybe other renderings will be displayed incorrectly.
"there was a forest" ... yes, there was. Now bushes. Do you intend to draw a historical map? You have a choice: a) let it be forest and put a tag man_made = clearcut or something like that on this area or b) let it be scrub and change the tag in some years when it will "become forest again". Either way - do not break the mp rules.
Váradi Attila (2019-05-03 06:05:24+00:00): Yes, we are creating a "historical map" because the Bing, Esri Imagery is not so recent in many places. If there is an error, repair that if you want.
Váradi Attila (2019-05-02 16:24:07+00:00): Please do not create changesets (fixed wrong mp roles) without even looking on the Bing, Esri Imagery. The relations, and the roles were just fine. The meadow was intentionally left outside of forest mp. After your "fixing" the outer lines of the forest are in wrong order, and the meadow is in the inside of the mp, without inner role. This meadow became another mp., splitted unnecessary.
B_KSL (2019-05-02 18:13:42+00:00): It is pity that you do not like my changes but you are not right with your claims. Relations and roles were not fine! If you want, I'll send you a link to a photo (of validation tool) where all your mistakes are clearly visible. And I looked at the pictures of Esri, although that would not be necessary to improve such simple technical mistakes. meadow is not the same as farmland. As inner in the farmland-multipolygon ok, but not if the lines of outer and inner ring are adjacent to each other. It has nothing with forest-mp to do but you are right - this meadow should be excluded from farmland-mp. It`s not easy to fixed everything if there are so many mistakes. Sorry but you disregard multipolygon's rules. These are mistakes - nothing is fine!
Váradi Attila (2019-05-02 20:43:51+00:00): I don't understand why is problem that an inner object share a part with the outer ring. It's working, the rendering fine. After your change, the meadow is inside the forest multipolygon without relation rule. It's not rendering proper. In changeset 69785714, you excluded the scrub, and there you included the meadow in mp.
B_KSL (2019-05-02 21:59:34+00:00): I have not set the rules. When they are there, we should follow them. Rendering may be good in mapnik, many other applications may misinterpret it. As I said above: there were to much mistakes to fixed all at once. I will continue to improve it because it is definitely not "fine" as you write.
Váradi Attila (2019-05-03 06:06:20+00:00): If there is an error, repair that if you want.
viloan (2019-05-02 01:19:19+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
Dimacn (2019-05-02 08:16:18+00:00): Не стоит отмечать дворовую территорию как парк. Пожалуйста удалите. Подробнее - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Tag:leisure=park   2. В name пишем только официальное название, подробнее -  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Key:name
Váradi Attila (2019-05-02 16:24:33+00:00): Please do not create changesets (fixed wrong mp roles) without even looking on the Bing, Esri Imagery. The relations, and the roles were just fine. The scrubs were intentionally left inside of forest mp. After your "fixing", the outer lines are in wrong order, and the scrubs are in outside of the mp. You transformed each small (100-200 points) scrub in separate multipolygon. Why?
B_KSL (2019-05-02 18:24:45+00:00): It is pity that you do not like my changes but you are not right with your claims. Relations and roles were not fine! If you want, I'll send you a link to a photo (of validation tool) where all your mistakes are clearly visible. And I looked at the pictures of Esri, although that would not be necessary to improve such simple technical mistakes. Scrub is not forest. As inner in the forest-multipolygon ok, but not if the lines of outer and inner ring are adjacent to each other. Sorry but you disregard multipolygon's rules. These are mistakes - nothing is fine! It was easier to make a new scrub-mp than to draw another 200 points. There is nothing wrong with using existing lines instead of creating new (overlaying) ones. That even has advantages.
Dimacn (2019-05-02 08:16:41+00:00): В name пишем только официальное название, подробнее -  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Key:name  Пожалуйста исправьте.
viloan (2019-05-02 01:35:41+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
Ze0zohk1 (2020-12-25 10:50:37+00:00): Hey PicLaSelle, you added a few ways in this changeset which you tagged with surface=unpaved_minor (e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/687254745). What does unpaved_minor mean? Cheers
Belletower (2021-01-06 00:13:03+00:00): Hi Ze0zohk1, this account is no longer active - I will be responding for them. It appears that this road was split by PicLaSelle which looks like a creation, but the original surface tag was added by https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TendaiNkomo. You may want to reach out to that user about that specific tag. Thanks and happy mapping!
WoodWoseWulf (2019-05-02 04:17:41+00:00): The Krusty Krab? As in from Spongebob Square Pants?
Greg_Rose (2019-05-04 06:12:58+00:00): Krusty Krab, Fun Zone and Loop Around deleted. Not funny.
sheldonelectric (2026-03-06 17:58:14+00:00): Hello, what is the source for the name:mk?
attili1 (2019-09-19 01:41:24+00:00): Hi  Siewjy,

Trust you are well.While reviewing the road geometry in Singapore looks like ways (way 654828951
way 677571110
way 677571111
way 677571112
way 677571113
way 677571116)
inside Yishun Bus interchange are tagged with tunnel but layer value is missing.Kindly do the necessary corrections.

Thanks in advance
WoodWoseWulf (2019-05-02 04:18:00+00:00): Is this really called Forest Gump?
Greg_Rose (2019-05-04 06:16:27+00:00): Name deleted
sheldonelectric (2025-04-19 08:43:16+00:00): Hey there, I'm currently crosschecking the international names in Greece and wanted to ask if there is a wiki or other source for naming this village? https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1786451790/history
bjankuloski (2025-04-19 08:47:58+00:00): Ah, that was a mistake, and I deleted it now. I must have made a carryover mistake from other Kalivia that are named Колиби in Macedonian in the more northern parts.
WoodWoseWulf (2019-05-02 04:14:27+00:00): Hi kisala,

I've removed the private details you've added to the map in this changeset. OSM is a public map that can be accessed and used by anyone. Personal information shouldn't be uploaded here.

If you need some help, please feel free to ask.
muralito (2019-05-02 11:19:42+00:00): Oi!

Para descrições é o rótulo "description"
nevw (2019-05-02 05:49:52+00:00): Hi
If the road construction is complete and the roads are open to the public, you need to remove the ‘construction=*’ tag too.
Mars-Curaçao (2019-07-23 01:41:40+00:00): Is de enige aanpassing die je aan dit adres hebt gedaan de adressource toegevoegd? Dus een aanpassing met 0,0 inhoud..... Deze woningen mogen dan wel naast/dichtbij de Weg naar Westpunt liggen maar hun adres is toch echt: Grote Berg dus ik moet het veranderen. Volgens mij heb ik mij eerder met deze huizen/adressen bezig gehouden en aangepast maar dat blijkt niet uit de geschiedenis.
Mars-Curaçao (2019-07-23 01:47:11+00:00): Btw, ik heb er vaak geen fuck zin meer in om mijn energie en tijd te spenderen aan het aanpassen van de kaart van het eiland waar IK woon!  Zoveel @ssholes uit andere landen die zich bemoeien met én zitten te kloten in de kaart, vaak gebaseerd op satellietfoto's uit de middeleeuwen....
Mars-Curaçao (2019-07-23 01:55:09+00:00): Er is hier geen wijk genaamd GROTEBERG, wel de wijk: Grote Berg. Jij bent erg slordig bezig vriend!
Mars-Curaçao (2019-07-31 04:08:06+00:00): Waar ligt Gr.Berg ?  Op Q 41 een supermarket???  Het is: Kaya Arembos, niet KAYA AREMBOS !  Heb het allemaal moeten veranderen....
viloan (2019-05-02 03:23:56+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
Váradi Attila (2019-05-02 16:33:33+00:00): Like in 69785714, 69785824, 69785905 changesets, you make here unnecessary modifications.
B_KSL (2019-05-02 18:29:01+00:00): As I have already commented in mentioned changsets - you are not right. Changes were necessary. And there is still a lot to improve in the area. Use a validation tool, please.
Váradi Attila (2019-05-02 20:46:20+00:00): I use validation tools (Osmose, Josm plugin) and didn't show any errors. I'd checked twice, the outer/inner relations, and the rendering was ok.
B_KSL (2019-05-02 22:04:44+00:00): Sometimes rendering could be good even if multipolygon rules are raped. Follow mp rules, please. Proper rendering in one displaying tool is not A and O. Josm plugin will not show this error, osmose should. Try osmi - best choice in this case, I think.
Váradi Attila (2019-05-03 06:11:31+00:00): I will try osmi in the following days. If there is an error, repair that if you want.