piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
Gehrke (2014-12-19 12:52:32+00:00): I did a lot of repair work. But public transport relations remain damaged...
malenki (2014-12-23 13:51:23+00:00): I just stumbloed over a place which had been deleted…:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/19046066/history
malenki (2014-12-23 13:53:42+00:00): Btw: how do you mean "not able to revert it"? Since there is quite a big loss of data this issue should have been brought to attention of more sophisticated reverters.
Now, after four days, the task of reverting didn't become easier.
malenki (2014-12-23 14:20:48+00:00): I reverted this changeset. I'd assume if I created some errors while doing so it cannot be worse then what this edit made. :)
OKANO Takayoshi (2015-01-18 05:00:31+00:00): http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3011205355
この編集で、松屋 金沢工大前店の wheelchair:description タグに「ドライブスルー対応あり。」を追記されていますが、
drive_through タグがあるにもかかわらず編集された意図は何でしょうか。
(Mapnik のレンダリングと、JOSMでの編集しかしないので、純粋な質問です)
yahoi (2015-01-20 17:04:06+00:00): すいません。まだそんなに詳しくないのでこちらのミスだとは思いますがポトラッチで編集しています。一応Wheelmap上でドライブスルーが使用できるか判断するためには編集欄に書くしかないと思い行いました。
alessandrocarmeli (2021-06-25 16:59:26+00:00): fonte del nome?
DaveF (2014-12-18 15:30:05+00:00): Hi Welshie
Out of curiosity, which map did you get the road new road layout from? The OS Streetview appears to be at least a year out of date. 

Cheers
Dave F.
Welshie (2014-12-31 16:34:32+00:00): I tried to reply to the email, which may not have got through. It was very approximately from a developer's sales brochure. Full survey via GPS or newer imagery welcome.
ridixcr (2017-08-11 17:23:50+00:00): Hi UI Guy!

In this changeset you added a restriction=no_straight_on which is not visible according to Mapillary Images  also Openstreetcam you could detail the veracity and validity of this restriction.

For more details aboit this restriccion https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4285154
b108 (2015-01-09 13:35:13+00:00): Здание "Ленты" я отметил.  При редактировании нажмите справа кнопку "Настройка подложки" и поставьте галочку "Наложение фотографий (Mapillary)" - я сделал несколько фотографий Ленты сегодня.
augxcgrwxo (2014-12-23 12:20:09+00:00): Описание правки - Lol)
cadsauxk (2014-12-24 16:42:08+00:00): Por favor forneça uma descrição que resume as alterações feitas e a motivação ou fonte dos dados.
cadsauxk (2014-12-24 16:42:19+00:00): Por favor forneça uma descrição que resume as alterações feitas e a motivação ou fonte dos dados.
gileri (2014-12-20 18:09:18+00:00): Bonjour,

Je pense qu'il serait convenable de tagger ces boîtes en amenity=library, car même si le format n'est pas conventionel, ces équipements contiennent tout de même des livres et sont gérés par une entité (Fonds Décitre).

Cela les rendrait également visibles sur la carte par défaut sur openstreetmap.org
SomeoneElse (2014-12-18 18:03:22+00:00): What sort of "byway" is http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/317796829/history signed as (confusingly there are 2 - "Byway Open To All Traffic" (which would normally allow cars) and "Restricted Byway" (which doesn't allow motor vehicles but does allow e.g. a coach and horses).

Oh - and welcome to OpenStreetMap!  We need all the local mappers we can get :-)
blaalb12 (2014-12-18 20:10:50+00:00): Hi, i think the byway category was added by someone else at an earlier date and i assumed that it was the 'restricted byway' type so I left it as is. i'll have a closer look and correct if wrong. thanks.
aseerel4c26 (2014-12-18 14:33:40+00:00): Why do you think that here there are defibrillators at all four corners of the building? https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1954431108  

By the way: your changeset "source" seems to be wrong.
aseerel4c26 (2014-12-18 14:48:31+00:00): Since you have inspected all objects manually, you did notice at https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/462685385 that medical=aed was added by Carlos_Sánchez just two months ago in addition to emergency=defibrillator, right? Did you talk with this user? Essentially you have undid his addition. Maybe he has good reasons to add this tag. In any case you should tell him otherwise he will continue to use this tag.
pyrog (2014-12-18 15:41:57+00:00): > Why do you think that here there are defibrillators at all four corners of the building?
Ask to Carlos_Sánchez ?

> Maybe he has good reasons to add this tag
No, but probably he didn't know that medical=aed is deprecated ;-)

I will send him an email :-)

PS: when I check all tags, I'll check tags, not geometry ;-)
Jonathan Bennett (2014-12-18 17:42:07+00:00): Who says medical=aed is deprecated? Do they have the authority to make that call?
SomeoneElse (2014-12-18 19:44:10+00:00): @pyrog https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27515219 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27522772 were reverted yesterday because you didn't discuss them first.  I explained on the latter one one of the reasons why it's important that people know that changes are being made, so that they know to update their maps.  In the case of emergency equipment such as a defibrillator, it's even more important - this is life-saving equipment.
SomeoneElse (2014-12-18 19:48:56+00:00): @pyrog also (in case aseerel4c26's comment above wasn't clear) look at the history of node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1954431108/history .  You added the defibrillator at that node; it wasn't there before.
woodpeck (2014-12-18 20:02:47+00:00): [Reverted.](http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27557520)
pyrog (2014-12-18 20:42:03+00:00): > Who says medical=aed is deprecated?
@ Jonathan Bennett ,
1. the wiki say exactly "Migration to the last approved version (emergency=defibrillator) is in progress"

2. There is only 9 objects tagged with medical=aed and only 10 with emergency=aed and "just" 8054 emergency=defibrillator

3. Tag:medical=aed is redirected to emergency=defibrillator

You could play with words if you want (I can't, as english is not my native language).
But theses tags are de facto "deprecated".

See [wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deprecation#Software_deprecation) : "the term is also used for a feature, design, or practice that is permitted but no longer recommended"

> comment above wasn't clear
Yes, it wasn't

But it's a mistake, I don't intentionally do that, maybe a bad click en JOSM ?

> it's even more important - this is life-saving equipment.
I know, I'am a nurse un real life ;-)

I will appreciate if you could tidy theses tags in following rules :-)
So could you show me how you discuss with the community, especially with foreign users (non english speaking or GB users).

Thanks,
woodpeck (2014-12-18 20:13:19+00:00): reverted: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27557692
florianraetzer (2014-12-18 14:11:46+00:00): Übung für die Hausübung6
trigpoint (2014-12-18 14:27:17+00:00): Do you have an office or depot at that location ,?you do not have an address on the website .
trigpoint (2014-12-18 14:30:12+00:00): The area looks residential , you need premises with verifiable signs to be on osm. OSM is not a business directory
Skippern (2014-12-18 21:43:54+00:00): Voce pode dar um comentário melhor no seu conjuntos de edições, descrevendo os mudanças que voce fazendo.
user_870861 (2014-12-21 12:47:40+00:00): bonjour, l'integration des batiments est un gros travail, et a encore plus d'interet si on peut corriger le maximum d'erreur :
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=13&lat=48.0722075352828&lon=-4.51495681700013&item=0,1070&level=1,2,3
Phatricia (2014-12-19 22:41:18+00:00): interesting
Nakaner (2014-12-20 20:47:41+00:00): Hallo weke,

die Verwendung von Informationen aus dem Liegenschaftskataster in Hessen ist nicht gestattet. (Es liegt noch keine Freigabe von Seiten der Vermessungsverwaltung vor). Dieser Changeset sowie viele andere von dir werden daher in den kommenden Wochenenden revertiert.

Bitte verwende künftig nur zugelassene Quellen. Das sind in Hessen Ortsbegehungen, Bing-Luftbilder, Mapbox-Luftbilder, Mapillary und einige weitere.

Viele Grüße

Michael
Nakaner (2014-12-20 20:48:34+00:00): siehe auch http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=472008#p472008
cadsauxk (2014-12-24 16:42:30+00:00): Por favor forneça uma descrição que resume as alterações feitas e a motivação ou fonte dos dados.
Nirab Pudasaini (2014-12-21 08:04:26+00:00): I was curious about the changeset comment ?? Remote Mapping Excercise for what ?
SomeoneElse (2015-01-21 11:52:06+00:00): What does "Unconnected major1 , http://osmlab.github.io/to-fix/?error=unconnected_major1" mean?  The bounding box of the changeset is very large - how do I as a local mapper in (say) Spain know what has been changed locally to me, why, and based on what source?
RichRico (2015-10-21 22:18:08+00:00): Thanks for the obsrvations
The area appears big because I made a mistake while climbing a set of changes in different parts of the world, after that, I have more careful when uploading changes
RichRico (2015-10-21 22:18:26+00:00): Thanks for the obsrvations
The area appears big because I made a mistake while climbing a set of changes in different parts of the world, after that, I have more careful when uploading changes
Luca Moiana (2014-12-18 16:34:55+00:00): Cancellato per errore punto castello
maxphizik (2014-12-25 12:06:41+00:00): Ты чего шалишь, зачем посёлок Учум перетянул из одного сельсовета в другой?
iWowik (2014-12-25 13:46:58+00:00): Граница поперек шла, поправил в неудачную сторону.
Flukx (2020-10-25 14:21:39+00:00): maybe tagging with storage_tank? This wiki page at least mentions heat. But we should know than in which medium the heat is stored.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstorage_tank
theonlytruth (2021-06-08 08:50:25+00:00): I used your proposal. This seems to be much better fitting.
dforsi (2014-12-18 20:48:16+00:00): Attento, hai cambiato il nome alla provincia di Teramo (relazione 42024), ho rimesso io quello precedente e apparentemente giusto, cioè Teramo ;-)
aseerel4c26 (2014-12-18 18:13:13+00:00): An andere: siehe dazu auch https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/39626/alte-relationen-der-kurwege-wilhelmshohe-loschen
aseerel4c26 (2014-12-19 00:25:08+00:00): ... ist bis auf K8 und K9 revertiert.
muralito (2014-12-18 19:52:21+00:00): Esto es un error. Es trunk por convencion. Favor de ver el wiki del Proyecto Uruguay.
Zbigniew_Cz (2014-12-18 21:23:50+00:00): Stary topograf, a używa beznadziejnego edytora jakim jest iD zamiast używać JOSM.
Ale do rzeczy - tu jest coś nie-halo: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/317836684
BushmanK (2014-12-28 02:11:33+00:00): Почему удалили http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/50147328/history ?
Steve_32 (2014-12-29 01:10:45+00:00): Воинской части уже лет 5 как нету.
BushmanK (2014-12-29 01:41:00+00:00): OK, понял, а то тут в области разгулялись параноики, удаляя military налево и направо, я проверяю все удаленные без пояснений.
chillly (2014-12-18 20:14:59+00:00): Are you sure this closed to motor vehicles? Is it simply a cul-de-sac with one end closed (at the bollards)? If it is closed to motor vehicles is it really a road or is it a footpath?
sussexandy (2014-12-19 11:35:54+00:00): Its closed at the bottom. I downloade "Be On Road" for Android that uses openstreetmaps and the 1st test route tried to take me up Rise Park from Wordsworth. I wanted to try to help others by correcting this. Sorry if I got it wrong 1st time user
fkv (2018-08-25 22:53:23+00:00): You created node 3241657281 "Totenkopf". What has been the source for that name?
H@jo (2018-08-28 16:38:16+00:00): Hello, 
The position came from my survey of 2014 june. The name I can not remember. Sorry.
GerdP (2015-10-28 15:56:15+00:00): please review:
the tag highway=corridor_steps
is rarely used.
I guess highway=steps,indoor=yes is meant?
MarcoR (2015-10-28 17:29:08+00:00): Thanks for telling me! ;)

I just fixed the problem by changing the highway=corridor_steps to "highway:steps; indoor=yes" as you proposed (changeset: #34931396).

Kind regards,

Marco.
GerdP (2015-11-11 10:31:03+00:00): bitte prüfen:
bedeutet 
oneway="Fr-Su 00:-24:00"
bei
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/28865357
das der Weg nur an den drei Tagen ein oneway=yes ist oder ist das ein Tippfehler?
Falls kein Fehler ist vielleicht diese Diskussion interessant:
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Proposal-effective-hours-tag-for-restrictions-tt5859731.html
Polarbear (2014-12-19 21:45:22+00:00): Testing changesets comments. Myself.
Polarbear (2014-12-19 22:06:27+00:00): test number two.
Baloo Uriza (2014-12-20 22:28:34+00:00): Eeeeh, I'd say Bixby is more of a "suburb" and Coweta's the small end of a "town."  Wagoner County classifies Coweta as a "town".
MikeBurek (2014-12-19 02:16:02+00:00): #maptimeatx
MikeBurek (2014-12-19 02:15:45+00:00): #maptimeatx
MittaaDK (2015-12-20 19:12:42+00:00): Har forsøgsvist tilføjet bassin ved Roskildekrukkerne, men med vilje undlagt at ændre på den oprindelige node. Hvis du synes kan Tags fra den oprindelige node flyttes til bassin? Alternativt OK at slette bassin hvis det er for anmasende?
Phatricia (2014-12-19 02:45:58+00:00): oui oui
Hanif IRM-RV (2020-06-16 02:55:01+00:00): Hi Suki!
I have changed the geometry of https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/161135808#map=13/12.5368/107.8084
that specific around this node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3242091601, because I see in imagery around that node on trunk road leads to the left that has a similar surface instead of to the right. And I see the right road is properly tagged to a residential road.
Thank you!
emacsen (2014-12-19 12:59:05+00:00): Hey,

This is some really nice and complete data. What's the source?
tyos (2014-12-20 01:56:49+00:00): There's a map on Hudson County Community College's website.  http://www.hccc.edu/campusmaps/
emacsen (2014-12-21 03:19:40+00:00): You can't copy other maps that aren't explicitly giving permission to do so.

Is there something from the college saying we can use their maps?
tyos (2014-12-22 23:49:11+00:00): You misunderstand.  There was no copying of any copyrightable element on the map.

All buildings were traced from the Bing aerial imagery, so they are original work.

Only the names and addresses of the buildings came from HCCC.  Names and addresses are not copyrightable in the United States, see Feist v. Rural (1991).  This was a *unanimous* decision of the U.S. Supreme Court.  The law does not get any clearer than this.

In fact, in the United States, names and addresses are not even copyrightable if they were placed on the map for the purpose of discovering copying!  See Nester's v. Hagstrom (1992).

In this case, we do not even need the 1992 precedent.  You can clearly see that the HCCC map had no addresses and no names -- only letters.  Names and addresses came from the building *directory* that follows the map.  So just the 1991 case is controlling.
emacsen (2014-12-23 17:59:22+00:00): I want to make it clear that in this instance I am speaking on my own behalf and not representing the DWG.

US copyright law regarding facts is a complex topic in the context of OSM because we are also subject to British and European copyright and database law.

If you have any questions about legal matters, I'd strongly suggest you bring them up to the Legal Working Group. If you are a lawyer, I'm sure they would appreciate your opinion on the mater.

But until then, my understanding of the issue is that we are not allowed to copy any information from other sources, including names.

So I'm going to ask you to please remove the data that you've added from these secondary sources until/unless you can get an opinion from the LWG that this data is kosher.

You may also ask the DWG for its opinion on it the matter. Their email address is data@osmfoundation.org

My opinion is that this is copied data and therefore needs to be removed. I'd like to hope we can resolve this without the DWG stepping in.

I'd also encourage you to go here and just survey the buildings. I'd do so but I'm busy in the next few weeks, but it seems not that far from a PATH station, so it'd be doable.

Maybe we can even meet up for lunch/coffee while we survey it?
tyos (2014-12-24 03:23:58+00:00): You're making this much more complicated than it actually is.

Names and addresses are not copyrightable *at all* in the United States.  Feist v. Rural (1991) was very clear that a compilation of facts is "not original" and "not protected" by copyright.  Since HCCC is an American college, and it published the information on an American web server, it has released this information into the public domain.  The data is now fair game for anyone to use -- American or European.

OSM Contributor Terms, version 1.2.4, paragraph 1(a) states: "Your contribution of data should not infringe the intellectual property rights of anyone else."  Notice that it does not say that data cannot be copied, merely that it cannot infringe IP rights.  In this case, there are no IP rights, so it is impossible to infringe.  If OSM wishes to exclude public-domain names and addresses, then it should revise the Contributor Terms to make this clear.

It is, of course, OSM's prerogative to remove my contributions if they should choose, and then I'll part ways with OSM.  However, my contributions are consistent with the Contributor Terms, as currently stated.
tyos (2014-12-24 05:01:58+00:00): Also, you seem to be worried about conflict of law.

You can only have a conflict of law when there is an actual conflict.  For example, if a British college were involved, then the material might be under copyright in Britain, as well as any countries that grant reciprocity to British copyright.  The United States may refuse reciprocity under Feist, but that exception would only apply in the United States.

This is not the case here, because the names and addresses of HCCC buildings were "born into the public domain" in the United States.  Other countries would then grant reciprocity to the American copyright, which does not exist!  Therefore, it's not under copyright anywhere in the world.
Bryce C Nesbitt (2015-05-19 19:55:55+00:00): I agree with tyos here: copyright does not extend to facts.  The names of the buildings are facts.  A compilation can be copyrighted, but not the fact itself.
luschi (2015-01-08 18:12:44+00:00): http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/317885383
Der Fluss ist hier bestimmt kein tunnel=culvert!
Hier ist eine Brücke.
maproulette ist aus meiner Sicht ein schlechtes Tool.
Flüsse/Bäche werden da viel zu schnell von nicht ortskundigen Usern mit falschem "culvert" gemappt.
Bitte korrigieren
*Martin* (2014-12-19 09:28:37+00:00): Ahoj Keiven

Prosim pridavaj popis ku kazdemu changesetu.

Dakujem.
dieterdreist (2016-07-05 14:19:52+00:00): this changeset added a duplicate name of "Fontana di Trevi" to the water area of the fountain, but the Fountain was already tagged.
motorbikeparts (2014-12-19 09:39:27+00:00): Umgezogen in Bodmanstr. 24, 87439 Kempten
audtr (2023-07-02 10:01:56+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3760938
mavl (2014-12-19 13:20:02+00:00): Бессмысленный пакет правок.
Непонятно, зачем было удалять точку, которая обозначала АЗС. Точки для АЗС вполне допустимы.
sebastic (2014-12-19 18:18:38+00:00): The wikipedia tags for Amsterdam the settlement (admin_level 10) and Amsterdam the municipality (admin_level 8) were correct, so I've reverted back to the correct wikipedia tags.

You can verify the the two wikipedia articles via the wikidata links.
sebastic (2014-12-19 18:18:52+00:00): The wikipedia tags for Amsterdam the settlement (admin_level 10) and Amsterdam the municipality (admin_level 8) were correct, so I've reverted back to the correct wikipedia tags.

You can verify the the two wikipedia articles via the wikidata links.
floscher (2014-12-19 14:22:33+00:00): Hallo dwausr,
du hast bei http://www.osm.org/node/279826128 den Tag addr:street=Burgunderweg hinzugefügt.

Zum Einen heißt die Straße Breitenweg und zum Anderen sollte addr:street nicht auf einem Node der Straße verwendet werden.

Gruß,
floscher
dwausr (2015-01-08 15:21:50+00:00): [x] Done, war ein C&P-Fehler :)
cadsauxk (2014-12-29 12:11:52+00:00): A descrição "Ponte Estreita" não é um nome portanto não deve ficar no campo name. Movido para o campo description, veja em http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27775145
farla80 (2015-01-11 14:05:18+00:00): Hibásan jelenik meg a magasság profil http://turistautak.openstreetmap.hu/magasp.php?kap=1476739  
A Vörösmarty túristaház rosszul szerepel az útvonalon.
Op'tRad (2025-07-22 08:38:00+00:00): Hello Maraf24,
Thank you for adding this Bublewicza memorial.
Name, should only be: Marian Bublewicz - as 'pamieci' is not part of his name. Otherwise, a non-Polish will not find it when he searches for 'Bublewicz'. You could also change the date etc into small letters - something I cannnot that easy as being from the Netherlands. And, please, add a wikipedia of Bublewicz (not subject:wikipedia as that page is not about the memorial itself but about the man). Greetings, Werner
pavvv (2025-07-22 12:08:33+00:00): Hello Op'tRad, please read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmemorial and stop commenting obviously wrong information under changesets.
Op'tRad (2025-07-23 07:06:01+00:00): I am sorry. OSM is so complicated ...
Op'tRad (2025-08-17 14:15:34+00:00): Pavvv,
Do you agree that name should not be 'Pamięci Mariana Bublewicza' but Marian Bublewicz?
pavvv (2025-08-17 18:31:45+00:00): The name=* seems to be the first few lines of the inscription which I would consider fitting. Notice that grzegorzjan75 added the subject:wikidata and subject:wikipedia tags for Marian Bublewicz which eliminates the need for subject=Marian Bublewicz.

Please understand that name=* is the name for the object, so e.g. a forest, a town, a memorial. subject=* is for denoting what the primary topic or depiction of the object is.
maraf24 (2025-08-17 19:27:49+00:00): "Pomnik Pamięci Mariana Bublewicza" is full name. But in OSM we can drop object type if main tag is not ambiguous and this is the case with historic=memorial. 
Hence "Pamięci Mariana Bublewicza".
Op'tRad (2025-08-18 08:26:51+00:00): I see what you mean but no one will find the memorial in OSM by typing Marian Bublewicz ... You can not expect from people in other country's to type Mariana Bublewicza
gnlpfth (2015-01-17 15:00:55+00:00): Wo sind die stop_area-Relationen hin?
Wo ist die Haltestelle Höcherstraße hin?
dino_h (2015-01-17 22:41:17+00:00): Antwort auf den Kommentar von Filius Martii:
Der MVV hat die Linienführung mit dem letzten Fahrplanwechsel geändert. Die Haltestellen habe ich da hingesetzt, wo ich sie beim Vorbeifahren gesehen habe.
adiatmad (2024-02-26 09:45:49+00:00): (https://pewu.github.io/osm-history/#/way/317925709)

Hello, would it be appropriate to update this highway using more recent Bing imagery? I noticed you mentioned surveying it. Thank you.
Pen Beuz (2024-02-26 12:51:54+00:00): Hello, I sadly no longer have to opportunity to go there for survey :(
adiatmad (2024-02-27 03:15:22+00:00): Oh, I meant I could update the polygon using the latest Bing Imagery if it's okay. Noticed your edits in this area.
utteringmute (2024-02-29 03:47:36+00:00): Hi, this area really needs updating owing to new buildings based on sat imagery. In any case, thanks for mapping.
berndw (2014-12-19 16:28:49+00:00): Es ist etwas ungeschickt ein komplett getaggtes Gebäude zu löschen.
Besser ist es, neue Tags entweder zum Gebäude oder bei Teilmengen als eigenen POI hinzu zufügen.

Es sit möglich dieses Changeset zu reverten, dafür ist aber Deine Zustimmung erwünscht
igarunTD2014_03 (2014-12-19 13:15:19+00:00): Emplacement des nouveaux bâtiments à préciser avec une orthophotographie plus récente
mahaman ali douka (2014-12-31 13:22:02+00:00): Salam Alk Mamani 

Waooh bien travailler je t'encourage d'accord

Bien à toi
pangoSE (2018-09-10 13:07:49+00:00): X583 är felritad som track norr om korsningen med väg 84.
Essin (2019-06-14 18:18:39+00:00): Nej, det är korrekt, det är vad som finns kvar efter E4-nybygget, se https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=61.7136158&lng=17.0746839&z=17&pKey=69zZ9dbZs-4JUGwKOL855Q&focus=photo
neiljp (2014-12-20 19:39:35+00:00): Normally the church building is tagged as the place of worship, and the grounds as graveyard or cemetery - that applicable here?