piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
viloan (2019-05-02 12:24:45+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
viloan (2019-05-02 12:26:55+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
PeanutButterRemedy (2019-05-02 14:44:12+00:00): This node has all of the traits of a poor SEO addition meant to game the system. One of those traits is creating a throwaway account that is never monitored for feedback. If this is not the case, please comment and we can help restore your addition.
Vadiм (2019-05-14 11:40:37+00:00): man_made=embankment, как видно из https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:embankment, это что-то более монументальное. А тут всего лишь берег пруда. Давайте оставим просто natural=water, а?
Felis Pimeja (2019-05-15 11:17:33+00:00):  Вы правы. Я загнул с embankment. Поправлю.
Vadiм (2019-05-15 14:50:05+00:00): Красота!
Tomas_J (2023-06-19 06:14:38+00:00): Ahoj, zmazal som vseobecny nazov - Fekete nyár  - nepatri do name; pouzi mozno tag taxon...? Ties tag tree by nemal byt pouzity, ak sa jedna o cely les a nie a jeden vyznamny strom .
PeanutButterRemedy (2019-05-02 14:43:50+00:00): This node has all of the traits of a poor SEO addition meant to game the system. One of those traits is creating a throwaway account that is never monitored for feedback. If this is not the case, please comment and we can help restore your addition.
Adamant1 (2019-05-28 03:51:35+00:00): Hi, PeanutButterRemedy. I hate SEO as much as the next guy, but someone adding their own business to the database isn't necessarily always a bad thing. Businesses do it all the time. It doesn't really matter if it's a "throw away" account either. 

What matters is if the information is correct or not, and it does appear there is a Fisher Towing here. So what exactly did they add that was wrong information and why couldn't you have just corrected it instead of knee jerk deleting it and leaving this message. 

Btw, of a lot "poor SEO meant to game the system" (whatever that means) is usually just ignorance as to how OSM works and not something more nefarious. It's no wonder so many businesses are one time editors and never come back when people approach their mistakes like that. You should assume good faith instead of treating them like they intentionally did something bad before they have even responded to your message. Otherwise, it just harbors a "screw them" attitude toward the community, that ultimately leads to more bad data. Also, it's generally better to have the data versus not. Whatever your opinion of it's quality is. 

Thanks
freebeer (2019-05-28 04:47:22+00:00): ant, have you actually viewed what was changed here, not by a business owner but by a seo company who doesn't give a flying fsck about osm?  see https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=69802820

also notice the time of this edit, which happens to be overnight for an actual local edit, even if i see you still hardly at work at the time i wake.

i've called out nutella on occasion where appropriate, but this is a case where i'd defend her/his judgment.  refer to the diary entry explaining the rationale behind these changes from maybe a month ago.
Adamant1 (2019-05-28 05:51:03+00:00): Freebeer, I don't see anything SEOish about it from looking at Achavi. Unless I missed something. Either way, there still appears to have been savable information there like the businesses phone number and website. There's no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water. SEO or not. I find it slightly ironic to that @PeanutButterWolf deleted that but left the clearly wrongly mapped quarry in the middle of the road right next to there. Seems like picking and choosing. Instead of actually caring about data quality. 

I'm not sure what the time it was posted has to do with it either. Maybe the person is an insomniac. If not, plenty of foreign businesses add data to OSM. I might agree with it most of the time, but it's not against the rules and doesn't automatically make something shady. The intentions of the company doing it doesn't really matter either. Only accuracy of information does IMHO. 

By all means, delete the SEO crap and call them out for it, but don't delete good information along with it just because. While "One of the tactics they employ to accomplish this is putting the company name and website in as many places as they can" Might be correct in that it's a Google Optimization technique. In this case, it's still correct data for the map. If it improves their search rank or not. It's not magically bad because it improves Google search results.
Adamant1 (2019-05-28 05:56:08+00:00): Also, note from his/her diary " I have some software that looks through changes for some obvious patterns of abuse and marks these nodes for deletion. The goal is to get the SEO to come to the table and start a discussion." There's clearly no discrimination between saving the good data while deleted the bad there. It's all done on the software side based on "links" and "company name." There's no "unless its correct" clause there. And it's clear it's only being done to "to get the SEO to come to the table and start a discussion." Which 100% isn't a valid reason to delete perfectly good data. 

"Hey, sorry I deleted all the stuff you mapped. I just did it to get you to talk to me about all the stuff you mapped, that I deleted." That's circular none sense.
freebeer (2019-05-28 06:26:17+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 70683613 where the changeset comment is: revert seo map damage
freebeer (2019-05-28 06:28:20+00:00): oops, well, that totally #FAILed.
PeanutButterRemedy (2019-05-28 06:30:42+00:00): A couple of points:
>someone adding their own business to the database isn't necessarily always a bad thing
* I never said it was. What makes you think this was someone adding their own business? Why didn't they respond to the deletion? 99.999% chance that it's because this is from an SEO company that has been incommunicado.
> It doesn't really matter if it's a "throw away" account either. 
* It does actually. Being able to communicate with the company that is dumping this data *is* important. Otherwise we're going to be chasing them around for the next decade. Let's stop wasting our time and correct it at the source so that we can move onto bigger and better things instead of following them around and doing what they are supposed to do.
>why couldn't you have just corrected it instead of knee jerk deleting it and leaving this message
* Because leaving a message does no good. And, see previous point. We shouldn't be satisfied with high volume, low quality contributions.
>a lot "poor SEO meant to game the system" (whatever that means) is usually just ignorance as to how OSM works and not something more nefarious.
*gaming the system as in just spewing URLs into as many places as cheaply and quickly as possible to boost the ranks of the client paying you to get them listed higher on google. Call it nefarious. Call it ignorance. Either way, we want to correct the behavior.
>It's no wonder so many businesses are one time editors and never come back when people approach their mistakes like that.
* These are not one time editors. If you've studied the problem as much as I and others have, you'd realize that.
>I find it slightly ironic to that @PeanutButterWolf deleted that but left the clearly wrongly mapped quarry in the middle of the road right next to there. Seems like picking and choosing. Instead of actually caring about data quality. 
* Yep, missed that one. I can't get them all. To say I don't care about data quality is not really a conclusion you should come to from that.
>It's not magically bad because it improves Google search results.
That is 100% true. I'm actually pro-SEO companies adding quality data to OSM and I have put in a LOT of time to help this particular company do right by OSM.

I'm hoping that we'll see some improvements on this issue real soon now. Stay tuned. It's been a long ride.
freebeer (2019-05-28 07:00:50+00:00): adam, i'm sorry that you can't see this is not an own-business addition that we all would defend to your death.  it's not the worst example i've seen of seo damage, but it has all the signs of a for-hire careless addition, signs that you seem willing to dismiss.

i'd go on about the relatively recent Notes abuse by seo companies as an example of useless crap being flooded onto the not-map, and how a decade or so ago google maps was utterly useless for locating businesses around me which got me involved with osm instead.  i'm saying nothing about this entry other than i'll repeat what others say that osm is not a business directory, and what makes osm what it is, is not remote teams of mappers halfway around the world, but local mappers who too often see their on-the-ground mapping undone by those not-local teams with vested interests.

i'm not sure why PBR didn't do a revert here to repair the map damage that happens too frequently with this seo carelessness, like turning buildings into pretzel shapes and adding the data to the wrong address, but then, there are too many 'bots out there making mechanical edits like https-all-that-crap that may turn a v2 that my commandline tool barfs on as above.  then the mine-on-road started out as a gnis import of ... no, i'm not going to fall for the obvious criticism, but i agree with PBR's assessment and posit it is likely at best historical today around here.

you will note there has been no response from fischer towing, while in the one case i know of with a real business addition not carried out by a for-hire firm, that human did respond and the human PBR fixed the map entry in an exemplary manner.

essentially the identifiable seo firms are carrying out an import in violation of the osm guidelines as explained in mailing list posts around the time of the diary entry, yet you seem to be saying the data is more valuable than the community, above.  that's not how osm works as i can point to many reverts discussed in the past day or three where good and likely factual data has been (temporarily i understand) cast aside.
Adamant1 (2019-05-28 08:26:10+00:00): <Why didn't they respond to the deletion? 99.999% chance that it's because this is from an SEO company that has been incommunicado. 

Plenty of people don't respond to changeset comments. Either because the system doesn't notify them, which has happened to me, or they just don't care. There's no mandate people have to respond to changeset comments or have their edit deleted. Acting as if there sets a pretty bad precedence. Also, 99% sure isn't 100%, and you should be 100% sure before you revert someone in my opinion. Anyway, as I said SEO doesn't automatically equal against the rules. 

<We shouldn't be satisfied with high volume, low quality contributions. 

I looked at it in Achavia and there was nothing low quality about it. Your own blog entries says that the software you use to check this stuff find it's based on the edition of a url and a business name. Neither of those are "low quality" data. At least not in this case and that's all I'm talking about, not "the next decade." 

<gaming the system as in just spewing URLs into as many places as cheaply and quickly as possible

This wasn't "spewing URL's into as many places as cheaply and quickly as possible." It was a single URL of a business that's actually at this location. Your not even 100% sure that's what it is anyway. 

<These are not one time editors. If you've studied the problem as much as I and others have, you'd realize that. 

This particular instance was done by a 1 time editor. You have zero way of knowing otherwise. Since they never responded to you. Unless the DWG is sharing IP addresses of the accounts with you or something. Which would be a privacy violation. 

Again, what specific data in this particular POI was worthy of deletion? I didn't see any and there's no indication from anything I can see that it's anything other then a single company adding their own information. Even if it's not though, your the claiming it's "low quality" so what exactly was low quality about it and how exactly does that warrant everything being deleted instead of just the "low quality" data? Instead of making it the next decade, and "oh those bad SEO people" just answer my question. So far, it's pretty to me from the defensive, deflective way you responded that your throwing way to wide a net and don't review every thing your software throws at you before you delete it. You also clearly put "bad SEO, must delete" way before anything else. 

My conclusion is 

1. There was nothing low quality or spammy or against the rules in the original edit

2. There's nothing to indicate this was anything other then a private business posting their own information (even if it wasn't though, 1 still applies).

3. Therefore, the information was wrongly deleted. 

Otherwise, prove me wrong by providing some evidence instead of just going off on side tangents. 

Freebeer, "you seem to be saying the data is more valuable than the community" is not what I'm saying and I'm insulted by your suggestion that it might be. Its ridiculous that I can't ask a simple question about a single POI without it turning into all this other, completely unnecessary, side stuff.
Adamant1 (2019-05-28 08:39:02+00:00): Btw, I'm pretty knowledgeable about how SEO works because I use to do it as a teenager to make money off fake sites by gaming Google. That was long before any of this was cool. I also have a few "marketing" friends that do it. Who I still talk shop and catch up on the latest SEO trends with. So don't think I'm coming at this from a place of ignorance about it. I know how these people work. I just don't think this is a particular instance of it or that it would warrant deletion of the data IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE if it was. I'm perfectly willing to be proven wrong about that though.
Adamant1 (2019-05-28 08:54:56+00:00): It's obviously this conversation isn't going to go anywhere except for both of you spouting more of topic none sense and nothing actually being dealt with. So I just added back the POI based on the deleted one. Hopefully it stays there this time and you don't delete anymore good information. I'm done with it other then that.
Adamant1 (2019-05-28 09:02:03+00:00): Except to say I'm massively fed up with the inability of people around here to deal with basic things or answer simple questions without it always turning into a massive thing and way more of an issue than it should be. Especially how much other people get involved in things that they have zero constructive to add to. The whole thing is disgusting. The way it currently is. There's zero reason to interact with anyone on here about anything and it sure won't ever be pleasant if you do.
Adamant1 (2019-05-28 09:59:26+00:00): Btw freebeer, see the discussion on PeanutButterWolf's blog post for other people that complained and the same kind of deflection tactics from PeanutButterWolf that he/she did here. I guess you'll say the people there that have a problem with how this user is going about things, including  alexkemp who has years dealing with spam, care more about map data then the community. 10 bucks says PeanutButterWolf finds some lame none reason to not address my complaints to, just like he/she did on the blog to other people that took issue. I think you judgement as to what's really going on here and who's actually at fault is being clouded by your hate of SEO spam. Think about this, if you were a bad actor that wanted to seriously damage OSM, how would you go about it? The answer should be obvious.
PeanutButterRemedy (2019-05-28 15:21:25+00:00): I'm sorry this is unpleasant for you. When you say "turning into a massive thing", are you referring to the long responses? I'm just trying to answer points that you bring up. I'm not trying to deflect with non-answers. I'm not trying to go off on tangents. I'm just addressing the many points you are bringing up as best I can.

You say that I'm not answering a simple question. Is this the question you are referring to: "So what exactly did they add that was wrong information and why couldn't you have just corrected it instead of knee jerk deleting it and leaving this message."

Specifically, for Fischer Towing, it was the addr:street that was abbreviated. Yes, I know when you look at that single point, it seems petty. It looks "knee-jerk". But it really isn't and I know I'm having trouble convincing you of that fact. But step back and look at the thousands of edits that have been made and you can see a pattern. I can look at an entry and have a pretty good guess at the one particular SEO that this came from. How do I know this? Because I've called literally dozens of these companies and talked with them. They all use the same SEO. Most of them had never heard of OpenStreetMap. Some of them were even upset that they were being added to the map (especially service companies operating out of their home but not wanting customers to arrive at their door (i.e. rodent control)).

These actions have not been taken lightly. They come after studying the problem for over 6 months (and seeing reports of it being well over a year). The actions were passed by the DWG beforehand and have their approval. There have been discussions with the community and they (overwhelming) approve taking the problem on in this manner.

And we have, up until this point, been able to make any headway getting this SEO to stop what they are doing. Until now. I am finally in contact with the company and have productive discussions with a person there that owns the process and have gotten them to admit what they are doing and have promised to change their behavior. I have confidence that this problem will finally be solved this week.
viloan (2019-05-02 12:53:24+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
PT-53 (2019-05-03 09:34:33+00:00): Hallo VeesFa,
Du hast in diesem Änderungssatz diese Straße https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/71586353/history von tertiary auf secondary höher gestuft. Warum?
Hat sich an der Straße seit 2010 etwas geändert?

Diese Straße https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32277309/history hast Du von service auf unclassified höhergestuft. Warum?
Letztes Jahr hast Du diese Straße von track (was falsch war) auf service und Tage später auf residential abgeändert.
Ich habe dann - nach einer Radtour - die Straße - auf Grund der Nutzungsberechtigungen - wieder mit service eingestuft.
Was ist daran falsch?

Fragende Grüße
PT-53 (2019-05-12 06:31:26+00:00): Hallo VeesFa, 
ich warte noch auf Deine Antwort. Ansosnten werde ich Deine Änderungen komplett zurücksetzen.
Grüße
VeesFa (2019-05-12 10:41:22+00:00): Habe das gerade geprüft, ab 15.05. - ist die Sperrung mit Anlieger frei. Laut Verwaltung kommt es am 01.09. wieder weg. Soll die Radfahrer schützen. Änderung Rückverändert. 
Trage immer das nach was uns die Fahrer der 35 Fahrzeuge im LKR SIG rückmelden.
PT-53 (2019-05-12 11:30:06+00:00): Hallo VeesFa, 
ich verstehe Deine Antwort leider nicht.
Was kommt wo am 01.09. wieder weg?
BCNorwich (2022-02-15 09:21:43+00:00): Hi, Just wanted to let you know that area Way: Steel House Moor (687349472) is unfinished. 

Regards Bernard.
MichaelCollinson (2022-02-15 10:58:06+00:00): Thank you Bernard. The are no obvious boundary walls for the north and east, so I have removed it. (a node with the name remains so it can still be searched for)

Happy Mapping, Mike
PeanutButterRemedy (2019-05-02 14:43:40+00:00): This node has all of the traits of a poor SEO addition meant to game the system. One of those traits is creating a throwaway account that is never monitored for feedback. If this is not the case, please comment and we can help restore your addition.
PeanutButterRemedy (2019-05-02 14:43:26+00:00): This node has all of the traits of a poor SEO addition meant to game the system. One of those traits is creating a throwaway account that is never monitored for feedback. If this is not the case, please comment and we can help restore your addition.
PeanutButterRemedy (2019-05-02 14:42:44+00:00): This node has all of the traits of a poor SEO addition meant to game the system. One of those traits is creating a throwaway account that is never monitored for feedback. If this is not the case, please comment and we can help restore your addition.
viloan (2019-05-02 13:09:30+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!