piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
user_5359 (2022-09-29 21:02:31+00:00): Okay, a very old Wiki modification without an own page :(.
Infodisiac (2022-09-30 11:19:33+00:00): So admin_ref is indeed hardly used.

Would you consider 'tree:ref' to be the better option, rather than just the very generic 'ref'?

It has a wiki page, albeit without any text, but it occurs on 147,000 nodes. 

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/tree:ref#overview
W3NET0wns (2022-09-11 10:35:29+00:00): Dobra robota
eggie (2022-09-11 06:25:44+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privebericht. 

MVG, 

Eggie 

Namens de OSM Community
Famlam (2022-10-15 15:58:42+00:00): Hi T7107,
Is de constructie van dit platform al afgerond? Je hebt namelijk railway=construction gewijzigd naar railway=platform, de tag construction=platform staat nog op het object. (En een foutieve tag construction:railway=rail, welke iemand anders heeft toegevoegd, die mag er ook af)
Frans S (2022-09-11 09:32:37+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
I am sorry to say, but  your mappings are not that accurate and in according to the HOT/ OSM quality standards.
Please pay attentibuildings not always accurately drawn and squared. Please pay more attention to follow the outlines of a building (with extensions).on to these points:

 Buildings partially hidden under trees not drawn correctly.
Building roofs are shown on an offset to 90 degrees  and seems often like a saddle roof. They are mostly strict rectangular. Can be mapped with just 4 nodes.



Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit


Best regards and keep mapping !
            ---
            #REVIEWED_BAD #OSMCHA
            Published using OSMCha: https://osmcha.org/changesets/126030760
Frans S (2022-09-11 09:32:44+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
I am sorry to say, but  your mappings are not that accurate and in according to the HOT/ OSM quality standards.
Please pay attentibuildings not always accurately drawn and squared. Please pay more attention to follow the outlines of a building (with extensions).on to these points:

 Buildings partially hidden under trees not drawn correctly.
Building roofs are shown on an offset to 90 degrees  and seems often like a saddle roof. They are mostly strict rectangular. Can be mapped with just 4 nodes.



Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit


Best regards and keep mapping !
            ---
            #REVIEWED_BAD #OSMCHA
            Published using OSMCha: https://osmcha.org/changesets/126030760
VictorIE (2022-10-10 10:39:45+00:00): Hi,

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1093457469

Lots of double-mapped houses.
amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️‍⚧️ (2022-10-11 16:20:53+00:00): thanks. fixed.
mariotomo (2022-09-11 17:04:08+00:00): hi Dieter … had you considered "mapwithAI"? 
https://mapwith.ai/rapid#background=Maxar-Premium&datasets=fbRoads,msBuildings&disable_features=boundaries&map=18.36/8.36128/-80.89997&offset=0,3.12
dieterdreist (2022-09-11 19:24:00+00:00): for the initial input of forests and buildings it would be a more effective approach, I just wanted to look around…
kubahahaha (2023-02-19 20:01:09+00:00): Hej, zmieniłem trochę tagi ścieżki przez PBG w celu umożliwienia poprawnego routingu rowerowego:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/132763466

Nie kasuj proszę bicycle=yes - bez tego niektóre routery prowadzą dookoła.
biker-2 (2022-09-27 18:53:04+00:00): Hallo Norbert,
du hast dem Weg den Namen "ehemaliger Weg" gegeben. Ein Weg/Straße bekommt nur Namen, die zB an einem Straßenschild stehen, die allgemein im Sprachgebrauch sind für den Weg. Wenn der Weg ehemals ist also zb nicht mehr in Betrieb/verlassen: bitte zB abandoned:highway=track nutzen, dann sieht der nächste, der vorbeikommt und ihn mappen will, aha da war vor mir schon jmd da und hat ihn auf auf abandoned gesetzt
ALu68 (2022-12-17 09:17:18+00:00): Hallo Norbert59, es wäre nicht schlecht, wenn du auf Hinweise reagierst und auch deine Edits korrigierst. Danke
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/130180180
SomeoneElse (2022-09-11 09:01:21+00:00): Hello,
Just to let you know, I've joined up the North Cheshire Way here like this:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/63113#map=18/53.28762/-2.72493
I hope that is correct.
If you're familiar with the area, perhaps you know how it should get across some of the other gaps that can be seen at http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeMap?relationId=63113 ?
Best Regards,
Andy
NPistora (2022-09-13 20:52:35+00:00): Så fint du har gjort! Jag gick en sväng idag, och såg att stig 899412892 inte var asfalt utan grus, så jag har ändrat.
YraFyra (2022-09-13 21:13:45+00:00): Roligt att höra att någon ser det man gör.
abakus_uploader (2022-09-11 22:31:03+00:00): (Wiadomość automatyczna)
Cześć!
Otrzymujesz ten komentarz, ponieważ dodałeś lub zmodyfikowałeś adres, który jest niepełny lub błędny.
Adres powinien zawierać minimum trzy znaczniki: addr:city=[nazwa_miejscowosci] + addr:street=[nazwa_ulicy] + addr:housenumber=[numer_porządkowy].
Wyjątkiem są miejscowości bez nazwanych ulic - wtedy stosujemy znaczniki: addr:place=[nazwa_miejscowosci] + addr:housenumber=[numer_porządkowy].
Bez poprawnego oznaczenia adresów, nie będą one brane pod uwagę przez wyszukiwarki, dlatego warto je dostosować do ww. schematu (w zależności od sytuacji).
Więcej informacji na forum: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=5632 - a pytania najlepiej zadawać tu: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=681873
Pozdrawiamy!
eggie (2022-09-11 06:29:46+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privebericht. 
Feedback.. Je info heb ik samengevoegd met de bestaande adresnode.

MVG, 

Eggie 

Namens de OSM Community
eggie (2022-09-11 06:35:56+00:00): Welcome to OSM.. You are sure there is an touristic apartment in the middle of the harbour named Tana''s. ?
Greetz,
eggie
eggie (2022-09-11 06:41:41+00:00): Dag Marcel.

Het beste kun je service-driveway toevoegen en access=private is voldoende.. De rest van die verkeersdeelnemers kan weg.
Naar nummer 12 heb je een brug ingetekend. Dat zal haast niet.

Je edits
https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=126032512
MVG
eggie
eggie (2022-09-11 20:07:03+00:00): Aangepast naar driveway.. access=private ipv al die andere accesstags.
Nr nr 12 geen accesstags.
Wanneer private is getagd zal de driveway niet routeren en zal de navigatie naar het specifieke adres ook niet werken.
MVG
eggie
marcelsmidt (2022-09-11 22:48:47+00:00): Beste Eggie,

Bedankt voor het meekijken en inmiddels verder aanpassen.

Helemaal top zo!
Bedankt voor de tijd en moeite.
SHARCRASH (2022-09-10 23:52:24+00:00): + MP integration
archpdx (2022-09-12 04:49:36+00:00): Hi,

What is the source of these changes? This interchange seems to have been reconstructed: https://www.oregon.gov/odot/projects/pages/project-details.aspx?project=19490

The new interchange can be seen in Esri World Imagery (you can switch backgrounds with the hotkey 'b'). Bing Maps Aerial is quite outdated in the Eugene area.
archpdx (2022-09-18 02:33:26+00:00): This changeset has been reverted in changeset 126316473
jidanni (2022-09-15 16:39:12+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/176477849#map=7/40.154/-103.519 shows this name even shows up at zoom level 7, instead of the town name itself. What's going on？
phidauex (2022-09-16 03:54:08+00:00): Hi, a few days ago it was detected that someone had inadvertently merged this mural with the Boulder admin node, which caused the rendering problem. It was caught and reverted, but may take a few days for the rendering to catch up. I fixed the art URL in the meantime, since someone noticed it during the kerfuffle.
user_5359 (2022-09-11 13:29:36+00:00): Hello! Please have a look on http://www.osm.org/way/1093483087. What is the meaning of the foreign tag FITOFISION = Floresta Estacional Semidecidual?
Greg_Rose (2022-09-20 19:51:24+00:00): Heya Kevin - Just an FYI, the upper limit of place=hamlet is generally considered to be 200-250 population. You've changed a lot of villages to hamlet which has made them effectively disappear from the map!
diamondarmorsteve (2025-11-13 18:46:57+00:00): Why did you make Reynoldsville and Covert (both tiny and not even counted by the census) villages, but Interlaken (population 450, more than large enough for place=village) a Hamlet? This edit seems quite inconsistent with what criteria it uses.
RDreher (2025-05-20 17:01:01+00:00): The Village of Woodridge cannot be defined merely by it's regular population. This village is dead for most of the year, but then summer comes around and the Jewish community comes up to the mountains and floods it with life and traffic. All the seasonal businesses open up, and it very much is a village by any definition.

This illustrates perfectly why you can't just scrape through the entire state of New York with your bots and your OCD and overturn the labels provided by our local laws, without understanding the local area and the people who call it home. It's condescending and imperialistic.
RDreher (2025-05-20 19:07:04+00:00): I understand that you were working within the frameworks generally agreed upon by the community, and that that imperfect framework is the result of how the system has developed. I vehemently disagree with the current approach, as inconsequential it might be, because it seems so much more intuitive and natural to use our local, legal designations than some arbitrary classification that has nothing to do with our language or local customs.

"What you refer to as "local law" and wish to canonize is, in fact, almost a historical accident. " → this sentiment makes absolutely zero sense to me. Local law is absolutely what should be canonized, not some arbitrary outside perspective. Of course it's the result of historical developments that were not always precise and rational, what you call "accident," but so is every damn thing that is our society, our culture, our language, and yes our built environment. Imposing a flawless rational order on the messiness of humanity seems to me an overly obsessive and absurd compulsion.

I'm sorry that I've come at this issue in a highly emotionally charged way. Though I deeply disagree with the principles you came up with, I understand the effort you and others have put in to better organize the information of the map. I find the principles you were guided by as intrinsically imperialistic, as they impose an arbitrary outside order that means little to nothing to us locally, but I realize I should be careful not to condemn your own character in the processes.

I really need to move on with my life at this point. So this will be my last word on this. Maybe leveler heads can make a better system for place= in the future, but I knew from the start that wasn't just suddenly going to be me, and I'm done wasting my time screaming into the void.
RDreher (2025-05-20 03:10:41+00:00): Why the crap should place= reflect size? That's not how things work in New York and you know it. If you want to know the size you can just look at the population.
Allison P (2025-05-20 14:56:50+00:00): This is how it works on OSM.
RDreher (2025-05-20 16:04:10+00:00): Well it's not how it should work. This is stupid and I hate it, and I have brooding all the damn night about how wrong it is.

Using the types of place= this way is like calling something an apartment instead of a detached house just because it is large. The category we put buildings in is not based on how many people occupy that building or it's square footage, it's based on the socially, economically, and politically defined structure imposed on those building. A single family home could be a big McMansion being shared by a large multi-generation family, or an apartment building could be three or so separated stories with one tenant each that looks a lot like a house from the outside. Human's are not ants, you can't just categorize our built environment like you're some space alien from above who doesn't understand us. Roads, buildings, land use regions, everything else on the map is informed by the ways the locals use and categorize those things. I studied anthropology, and anthropologists know how imposing outside categories when describing a culture leads to misunderstanding, and rather they must try to understand the way that culture organize the world, and then find the best translations for that.

In the state of New York, the way we organize the world is legally defined and clear. These legal terms also are how we locally understand our places. Nobody in their right mind would call Scotia, NY a "town," as we all know it as "the village." Latham, NY is getting built up recently, but it's still mostly just suburban sprawl and strip malls, not much of a walkable village or "town" in the OSM sense. Rather, it's just one named center of the sprawling suburban landscape that is the Town of Colonie, that is to say it's a hamlet. You can't understand that just be looking at it's population. The village of Woodridge, NY is dead for most of the year, until summer hits and the Jewish community floods it with life and traffic. All it's business's are mostly open seasonally. Is Woodridge a itty-bitty backwoods "hamlet" in the OSM sense, or "village" or "town." You can't make these calls in any meaningful way without understanding the local customs, laws, and terminology. On the other hand, the State of New York has already created a system with which we designate our settlements, and it's clear and it's precise, and it's how we actually talk about our own places. Yet that useful and more culturally informed method of designation was washed away by one guy with his bots and his OCD.

Imagine if you were mapping Japan and you didn't know what shrines were so you marked them as gardens or parks? These places can look and feel a lot like a park, but in order to map it correctly, you have to understand what it means to the people who worship there. I could go on and on with the analogies. It is absolutely clear to me that the current way of dealing with hamlets, villages, towns, and cities on OSM is absolutely imperialistic and uninformative.
Allison P (2025-05-20 16:19:53+00:00): OSM doesn't use legal classifications because they are different in every state. Treating them the same is comparing apples to oranges. The population/amenity based definition means that a place=city in Saskatchewan means roughly the same thing as in Louisiana. I'm sorry you don't like it.
RDreher (2025-05-20 16:26:29+00:00): I'm sorry you have no ability to understand how morally wrong this is.
RDreher (2025-05-20 16:38:51+00:00): Why is the point of the map to you to compare apples to apples? In the field of anthropology, such way of thinking has been greatly rejected as being imperialistic. They used to categorize people into "tribes" as opposed to "kingdoms" or "states," so that we could compare all the peoples of the world and try to say something about them, often about how some are more primitive than others. Can you see why this approach is condescending and fails to understand the intricate social structures particular to each individual culture? Right now this is what you are doing with the way place= terms are being used. Anthropology today now favors a more relativistic approach, one that tries to see cultures on their own terms.
bhousel (2025-05-20 17:26:19+00:00): Bro, chill.  
The whole point of assigning place tags relative to population centers is to help software decide how big to make the labels on the map.

Nobody here is trying to oppress the cultures of Colonie, Ballston Spa, or Latham.
RDreher (2025-05-20 17:46:52+00:00): Don't tell me to chill. You have no right to tell me what to care about or what not to care about. Just because something doesn't matter to you, doesn't mean it shouldn't matter to others.

I've already learned from elsewhere that most software ignores these damn stupid and unuseful designations for American places and instead uses the border_type=* key on the associated border of the place. The use of the place= is thus arbitrary and has no meaningful functionality. Thus how it is used seems to me a mere matter of principle, and I don't have to like the principles currently in mainstream use, but I admit that without meaningful consequence of those principles it's hardly worth screaming into the void much longer.
Mateusz Konieczny (2025-05-20 18:32:14+00:00): > You can't make these calls in any meaningful way without understanding the local customs, laws, and terminology.

local customs, laws, and terminology can be tagged somehow, but place=* is not about local laws/customs/terminology

if village of 25 people is called "city" due to some local legal tradition it does not become place=city (but maybe new tag can be invented for this)
RDreher (2025-05-20 18:45:03+00:00): No you can't. The current OSM definitions for place= are absolutely meaningless and arbitrary, like calling a large house an apartment. In order to know if something is an apartment you have to know the local customs, the economic and legal rules that define that building's usage. The same SHOULD be true for a village, town, city etc. The legal definitions are the only meaningful definitions and ignoring those in favor of a vague outside impression is like a foreigner walking into a Japanese shrine ground and calling it a mere garden because they don't understand the designation the culture has put on it.

I'm done moaning about this though. I knew I wouldn't convince anyone, and very few have even tried to sympathize with my perspective. I need to move on with my damn life and quit wasting time on this garbage.
ke9tv (2025-05-20 18:54:03+00:00): @Mateusz Konieczky We're ahead of you on that. In New York, at least, we tag the form of government - the "local law" that @RDreher is referring to - on the boundary relation as 'border_type'.  (Unfortunately, 'admin_level' is problematic for this: New York's municipal structure is kind of chaotic and not always hierarchical.  We don't have overlaps at the same admin_level¸ but it's not guaranteed that an admin_level=8 is contained in exactly one admin_level=7.  Cities cross county lines, villages cross township lines, and so on.  The place=* nodes that RDreher is complaining about are all members of boundary relations.
Mateusz Konieczny (2025-05-20 21:58:08+00:00): > foreigner walking into a Japanese shrine ground and calling it a mere garden

mapping garden of cultural and religious significance as a garden is fine and does not preclude mapping it also as place of worship or historic monument 

in the same way using standard place= tagging does not preclude mapping local legal/cultural peculiarities with other tags

> In order to know if something is an apartment you have to know the local customs, the economic and legal rules that define that building's usage

especially legal rules have limited influence
for example, if something is a prison then government declaring it Happy Sunny Reeducation Camp does not preclude us from mapping it as a prison

legal rules defining village of 35 people as a city does not require us to map it as a place=city
RDreher (2025-05-21 01:32:09+00:00): Your philosophy is wrong and this approach is ＠＠＠＠＠ wrong. I don't have to like it, but I am getting absolutely sick of trying to argue about it. If you don't want to see the light fine continue living in your goddam cave. I'm done with this.
emersonveenstra (2022-09-19 17:18:34+00:00): Hi,

Street names must not be abbreviated in OSM, can you please fix https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1093493436 please? Thanks!
wuzzupbob (2022-09-24 02:36:08+00:00): Not sure what street you're referring to,
emersonveenstra (2022-09-24 12:07:56+00:00): The street address of https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1093493436
CloCkWeRX (2022-09-11 06:02:18+00:00): Keep up the good work :)
If you'd like any buildings remotely mapped in the area, sing out. Another mapper and I did a big push along the coast, fleshing out a bit more seems doable
sprinkmeier (2022-09-12 09:49:22+00:00): Thanks for the offer, but I'll be a while before I run out of stuff to map :-)
Let me know if there's something/somewhere you want me to focus on.
Rizki IRM-ED (2022-12-21 03:45:30+00:00): Hi Kri_ttt. Your edit looks awesome, but there's an issue with footway (https://pewu.github.io/osm-history/#/way/1093494644) due overlap with water body. Would you mind to recheck and fix the issue, please? If you have any other suggestion, please let me know (https://maproulette.org/challenge/30161/task/143786879). Thank you.
Niiepce (2022-09-18 17:36:46+00:00): Wie schon des öfteren erwähnt solltest du Objekte nicht grundlos löschen und neu erstellen. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Good_practice#Chronik_erhalten
Łukasz „Siwy” (2022-09-12 18:36:55+00:00): Do usunięcia znacznik
giggls (2022-11-08 21:09:14+00:00): Jetzt erst habe ich diese Änderung hier gesehen. Ich hatte schon an meinem Verstand gezweifelt.

Dieser Changeset hat die Darstellung aller geänderten site-relations in der OpenCampingMap zerstört weil Du die Zuordnung über tourism=camp_site gelöscht hast :(

Würdest Du das bitte rückgängig machen?

Hintergrund ist hier in meinem Blogpost:
https://blog.geggus.net/2021/09/announcing-support-for-site-relations-in-opencampingmap/

Die dort gezeigte Relation hast Du ebenfalls kaputt gemacht :(
emvee (2022-11-08 21:25:09+00:00): The commit message was clear on why I changed things, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element

It looks to me you already reverted my change 1 month ago

Maybe it is better to map the tourism=camp_site node as tourism=camp_pitch
giggls (2022-11-08 21:46:11+00:00): Sorry to say, but this is crap.
tourism=camp_pitch is for mapping individual pitches rather than mapping whole camp-sites.

Would you please read my blogpost which describes the rationale behind the site-relation support in OpenCampingMap?

I did not revert your changeset I might have fixed a few of the sites where I realised the missing tourism_camp_site tag which I considered a mistake on my site up till today when I discovered this changeset.

The wiki entry you are referring to is IMO not applicable to site relations.

Unfortunately the site-relations are useless without the tourism=camp_site tag now as I can not distinguish between camp-site relations and other site relations without them anymore.

An Object may well be a member of more than one site-relation with different type which is perfectly fine.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:site clearly states that site-relations "must have a main tag defining whatever feature the site relation describes"

You did actually kill a feature of my map by this changeset which I am now unable to support.
giggls (2022-11-08 21:59:07+00:00): BTW I don't think that we are this far away in our thinking. 
See e.g. the latest post from my diary:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/giggls/diary

I did even make a bug page showing evil camp_site in camp_site tagging here:
https://camping.openstreetmap.de/osmoscope/#l=https://camping.openstreetmap.de/osmoscope/campsites-inside.json

BTW, I do show site-relations which contain more than one camp-site object as a bug on https://opencampingmap.org but having _one_ object tagged tourism=camp_site inside a site relation also tagged tourism=camp_site is definitely not something I would consider a bug.