piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
Mateusz Konieczny (2021-01-10 00:47:20+00:00): Note that this edit (and other similar edits) appears to be done in violation of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

Have you discussed this import as required?
dcapillae (2021-01-10 01:56:01+00:00): Hi!

The source suggests that these names are based on transliterations: "Any suggestions on how to transliterate 'Scotland' and 'Ireland' based on the countries above?". See here: http://klingonska.org/canon/2011-10-29-email.txt

This is an additional problem to those already discussed. In OSM it is recommended to avoid transliterations and to use only real names that people actually use. See here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Avoid_transliteration

The source is somewhat poor in terms of verifiability. Is there any way to verify that these names are real names that people actually use and not just transliterations of existing names in other languages?

I don't think that artistic, invented or fictional languages should have a place in the context of OSM, but neither do I have a greater interest in discussing it when there are people with more experience than me in these matters. In any case, I would suggest discussing it with the community first and not add them directly.

Thank you.
Mateusz Konieczny (2021-01-10 09:01:35+00:00): Transliteration seems to not be issue for names on that list http://klingonska.org/canon/2011-10-29-email.txt

Note for example "Hungary - maDyar" and "Japan - nIpon"
dcapillae (2021-01-10 10:53:31+00:00): Real names in use, even though they are originally based on transliterations, not fall into the category of artistic, invented or fictional names. Names created directly by transliteration from other languages for the sole purpose of creating them and making them exist are not real names.

Creating transliterated names from other languages for the sole purpose of creating them and making them exist is fine. The Klingon language is also fine, as are all the languages spoken by the peoples of Tolkien's Middle Earth, but I don't think OSM is the place for that kind of artistic creations. Just real names, from the real world, that people actually use. That's just my opinion, although I also think that's the spirit of the project: a map of the real world!
limes11 (2021-01-09 23:35:11+00:00): Has there been a discussion that Klingon names should be in osm? There are plenty of fictional languages from Sci-Fi, where do we stop this?
ChrissW-R1 (2021-01-09 23:37:05+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/97230077
limes11 (2021-01-09 23:48:50+00:00): That's not the kind of discussion I meant. Also, just because it's correct and so is the location, doesn't mean it's a good idea to add it.
ChrissW-R1 (2021-01-10 00:00:37+00:00): I know, it is not the discussion you meant. But know we have two changesets with the same question!

The reason, why I don't started a discussion is, because the information is correct and doesn't corrupt any other data.

I hate the discussion: "Do we need this data?" This is an open project and if there is only one person, which is interested in this information, it could be added to the database.
SomeoneElse (2021-01-10 02:19:46+00:00): @ChrissW-R1
> I hate the discussion: "Do we need this data?" 
You're welcome to make a case for importing this data by following the steps in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines for it, but until that process has been followed and community agreement obtained it'll get reverted.
With regard to the wider question (why can't we just allow people to add whatever they want?) wiser minds have discussed the limits on civil society for years - see e.g. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper#The_paradox_of_tolerance .  
In the case of OSM, the problem with adding _fictional_ data is that it devalues the _factual_ data already here.  
Best Regards,
Andy
ChrissW-R1 (2025-01-02 04:57:30+00:00): Hi Andy,

the "paradox of tolerance" cannot applied on this case.

Your premise based on "official" information. If this was the case, countries should only be have an "official_name:*" without any "name:*" tag.

The name:fr "Allemagne" is the accepted name of the majority of French speakers. So it is an information which could be added to OSM. If we have a further look to other languages which significantly less speakers, like Lojban. The relation #51477 have a name in this language ("name:jbo"), which is accepted. Where do you draw the line? Klingon have speakers like Lojban, Lojban and Klingon are both constructed languages, there is an accepted name in Klingon for Germany, like in Lojban. So were is difference?
name:tlh=DoyIchlan is real existing information of Germany. It is "fictional" like any other name. Languages are always a human construct.

> In the case of OSM, the problem with adding _fictional_ data is that it devalues the _factual_ data already here.
Let's take your argument further, you devalued the work of Marc Okrand compared to James Cooke Brown.

On the last point, which shows that your changes have no basis whatsoever. The tag "name:tlh" was not my idea. The tag was already in use and is still in use, please check https://taginfo.osm.org/keys/name%3Atlh#overview. What were the requirements to get in this check-up process? I miss this discussion on other changesets like https://osm.org/changeset/116850726 and https://osm.org/changeset/107736434.

Best regards,
Chriss
Frans S (2021-01-11 10:26:26+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
In general your mappings are rather good.
Please pay attention on these points. 
D: connecting nodes to highways
E: Buildings not squared.
Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping !
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SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-01-10 01:53:14+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 97233995 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some fictional names following numerous complaints (see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/97230077 et al).
ChrissW-R1 (2025-01-02 05:01:11+00:00): Further discussion in changeset #97231709: https://osm.org/changeset/97231709
ChrissW-R1 (2025-01-02 05:00:35+00:00): Further discussion in changeset #97231709: https://osm.org/changeset/97231709
ChrissW-R1 (2025-01-02 05:00:32+00:00): Further discussion in changeset #97231709: https://osm.org/changeset/97231709
limes11 (2021-01-10 16:47:28+00:00): Hallo,

kannst du mal die beiden Notes hier wg. Tempolimits ansehen? Eine davon ist 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2492077

Wenn das ausserorts ist und unbeschildert, dann sollte es 100 sein nicht 50

VG, Limes
kapazao (2021-01-10 01:29:39+00:00): Hello, it is incorrect to use a generic name on something that has no name.
It is known that it is a pitch and you do not need to create a name "Terrain de sport" for it.
You should learn it from wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names
Please revert this changeset.
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user_5359 (2021-01-10 18:48:16+00:00): Take street names in massedits of traffic circles, but to each sports field again add the name sports field in three languages. Please do not enter your changes in mass edits and follow the requests to cancel your changes. If you need help, you can ask for it.
user_11422772 (2021-01-15 00:05:08+00:00): Hi,
I canceled this change set - I did the Latin character translation of << ملعب رياضي >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=%D9%85%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A8%20%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B6%D9%8A#map=6/29.487/8.525
it turned out that the user gave a description of the attribute to the name, instead of the exact name
Regards,
m@rio (2021-01-11 09:39:57+00:00): Cześć vYgnette13,
w twoim zestawie 97232634 pojawił się adres: Koziegłowy Osiedle Leśne 3E. Tymczasem w PRG figuruje nr 4E. Prośba o weryfikację poprawności.
pzdr m@rio.
Inochi03 (2021-01-12 20:40:43+00:00): Witam,
rzeczywiście jest to błąd. Poprawiłem na 4E.
vYgnette13
eggie (2021-01-10 07:17:15+00:00): Dah JRGrover.. Probeer in één keer op de adresnode bij te taggen. Dus niet zelf adressen aanmaken.
MVG
eggie
eggie (2021-01-10 07:18:35+00:00): Info samengevoegd
Commodoortje (2021-01-10 08:50:47+00:00): Dit lukt vermoedelijk niet met OsmAnd.
Misschien wil JRGrover de editor JOSM proberen.
Tip, probeer over te stappen op JOSM, dit werkt veel prettiger.
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=53710
gscholz (2021-01-13 05:54:30+00:00): Hi Golgi,
you tend to add administrative bounderies which are intersecting themselves, overlapping with existing highways/waterways and the coresponding relation items do not have the role "outer". The tags for boundary and admin_level are missing at your relations as well. Can you please fix this? 

For more information please read this:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:boundary

Can you please also switch your OSM editor of choise to josm? This editor is much easier to use for editing relations and shows error messages if you try to upload wrong data.

Kind regards
Guido
ChrissW-R1 (2025-01-02 05:01:03+00:00): Further discussion in changeset #97231709: https://osm.org/changeset/97231709
ChrissW-R1 (2025-01-02 05:01:15+00:00): Further discussion in changeset #97231709: https://osm.org/changeset/97231709
Frans S (2021-01-11 10:24:00+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Please pay attention on these points. 
D: connecting nodes to highway:
E: buildings not squared.

Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping !
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Frans S (2021-01-11 10:22:10+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Please pay attention on these points. 
E: buildings not squared

Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping !
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Frans S (2021-01-11 10:21:12+00:00): Hello , See my remarks on the other changeset.
Best regards
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ChrissW-R1 (2025-01-02 04:59:41+00:00): Further discussion in changeset #97231709: https://osm.org/changeset/97231709
ChrissW-R1 (2025-01-02 05:00:43+00:00): Further discussion in changeset #97231709: https://osm.org/changeset/97231709
Hedaja (2021-01-11 12:53:20+00:00): Hi
If you wanna add the new apartment buildings an their surroundings, Maxar Premium sat images already show them.
To see them look on the right side of the editor. There you'll see a symbol with 3 stacked layers (first symbol from the lower block). You can switch over to Maxar Premium images there.

Happy mapping
-Christian
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Dominick2 (2021-01-13 04:10:14+00:00): Ah, I see how the different layers work now. Thanks! I'll update the buildings.
SJoao (2021-01-11 22:13:40+00:00): Bem vindo!
A área verde é de acesso restrito? Pertence a algum condominio?

Dentro da área dos residenciais pode também criar um poligono para representar a edificação em si.
Em caso de duvidas a disp!
Frans S (2021-01-11 10:20:18+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Please pay attention on these points. 
D: connecting nodes to highways, 
Don't cross highways. Adjust offset or move highway over the correct spot.
E: buildings not squared

Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping !
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SomeoneElse (2021-01-10 02:03:29+00:00): Hello ChrissW-R1,
As you can see I've reverted this undiscussed import of fictional data, following numerous complaints visible in changeset discussion comments.  I can also see that you seem only to have got to "N" in the alphabet.  If you try and continue any further changes will be reverted and you will be prevented from contributing to OSM for a time.
Best Regards,
Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group
Frans S (2021-01-11 10:18:09+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Please pay attention on these points. 
A: inaccurate mapped.
D: connecting nodes to other features
E: Buildings not squared,

Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping !
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Frans S (2021-01-11 10:16:56+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Please pay attention on these points. 
D: connecting nodes to highway.
E: Buildings not  squared.

Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping !
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Frans S (2021-01-11 10:15:37+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Please pay attention on these points. 
D: Connecting nodes to highway.
E: Buildings not squared


Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping !
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Hedaja (2021-01-11 12:48:05+00:00): Hi and welcome to OSM
Your changes are looking good
One thing I would add is waterway=dam (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Ddam) to the path at the end of the pond. At least from sat images it looks like a little dam

- Christian
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Dominick2 (2021-01-13 03:48:09+00:00): Thanks for the tip! Yes, I think that would make sense. It's a small path but I think it could be considered a dam. I will add that.
maxerickson (2022-02-18 02:55:24+00:00): Ref is for sign posted reference numbers, not for things like making markers for old highways appear on the map. Are there signs posted for "OLD M-76"?

Also, you continue to change business routes away from pretty well established, widely used tagging. Please stop it.
maxerickson (2022-02-19 10:58:39+00:00): I did get rather frustrated with you, because you were completely uncommunicative and were doing make-work that generated make-work. My initial messages were probably blunt too, because that's the way I am.

The problem is that a "standard" isn't a local thing, it should align with wider practice, which is easy to demonstrate that your choices of refs have not: http://overpass-turbo.eu/?Q=%5Bbbox%3A%7B%7Bbbox%7D%7D%5D%0A%5Bout%3Acsv(highway%2C%20name%2C%20ref)%5D%3B%0Away%5Bhighway%3Dprimary%5D%5Bref~%22BL%7CBusiness%22%5D%3B%0Aout%3B&C=36.50081;-81.09833;8

(Move the map to an area of interest and click "Run". It's written to match way refs with "BL", "BUS" or "Business" in them, outside of the areas you edit, Business is the overwhelming result.)
Frans S (2021-01-11 10:13:34+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Please pay attention on these points. 
A: inaccurate mapping.
D: Connecting nodes to other features.
E: buildings not squared.
F: Buildings partly hidden under trees.

Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping !
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SomeoneElse (2021-03-14 14:35:55+00:00): Hello Joseph R P,
It looks like https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/891427692/history was added by someone accused of fictional mapping (see http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=11940952 ) who I'm now reverting. Can you please check that any edits that you have made here have not been unduly influenced by previous fictional changes by this mapper?  I've had a look on the imagery, and I don't think that I can see this service road.
Best Regards,
Andy, from the DWG
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-01-10 01:53:18+00:00): This changeset reverts some or all edits made in changesets 97229666, 97230077, 97230624, 97230728, 97230903, 97231209, 97231531, 97231709, 97231905, 97232051, 97232522, 97232839, 97232906, 97233205, 97233466.
Mateusz Konieczny (2021-01-10 08:58:03+00:00): More discussion is in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/97231531
Frans S (2021-01-10 16:01:58+00:00): Hello. Thanks for mapping. 
Please map buildings individually. do not cluster adjacent buildings and map them as 1 building
Best regards and keep mappings
Jose Luis Infante (2021-01-10 03:32:08+00:00): Hola!
Molt bona feina afegint les voreres.
Si pots, revisa els carrers de la població. En català els noms dels carrers han de portar el "de", excepte si el nom és un adjectiu (com carrer Major o carrer Ample). Així, seria més correcte "plaça de Catalunya".
Una pregunta: els passos de vianants que has afegit tenen semàfors o no?
Salutacions!
blacx (2021-01-19 09:46:08+00:00): Doncs l'hi he fet una ullada a les plaques dels carrers del poble i sembla ser que cap de les plaques antigues no tenen el "de", imagino que al seu dia no hi sabien. Però de les noves n'he vist alguna que tampoc el té, com el Carrer Onze de Setembre o Plaça Església.

De semàfors, a Juneda no n'hi ha ni un en tot lo poble.
rayleigh1 (2021-01-10 02:20:13+00:00): Dam nice work
radiotrefoil (2021-01-10 02:25:40+00:00): 👉😎👉
Frans S (2021-01-11 10:11:48+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Please pay attention on these points. 
C: collecting adjacent buildings.
E: Buildings not squared

Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping !
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Frans S (2021-01-10 10:56:30+00:00): Hello. See my previous comments.
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Frans S (2021-01-10 10:55:28+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Please pay attention on these points. 
A:  A bit oversize on many buildings.

Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping !
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Frans S (2021-01-10 10:54:15+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Please pay attention on these points. 
A: Inaccurate mapped.
E: buildings not squared

Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping !
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Frans S (2021-01-10 10:52:40+00:00): Thank you for mapping. You have correctly identified the location of the buildings and accurate mapped
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
On this document you will find some hints and tricks which might help to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
Best regards and keep mapping
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Hedaja (2021-01-11 12:42:23+00:00): Hi
From the sat image I can see, it seems like the path along E 56th Ave and the new footway you added aren't connected.
If that's the case, you'll need to delete the node connecting the two paths and extend the tunnel (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/893868068) further.

If you need help let me know

Christian
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00Sterling (2021-01-11 20:02:20+00:00): I think I have it corrected. Thank you.
Hedaja (2021-01-11 20:49:31+00:00): Thank you.
I took another look at it. the path and the new foot way still share a node. Therefore at the moment a router would be able to navigate from the path onto the foot way.
00Sterling (2021-01-11 23:02:32+00:00): I disconnected the nodes
Hedaja (2021-01-11 23:07:52+00:00): There was still a small problem with the tunnel not being connected to the rest of the foot way. I quickly fixed it. 
Thanks for working on fixing things.
user_5359 (2021-01-10 06:30:50+00:00): Welcome to OSM! Pleae have a look on https://www.osm.org/node/621890385. The standard unit for ele is meter. The Mount Everest has 8,848 meters. Please correct this value. Did you also need a tga natural=peek?
SomeoneElse (2021-01-10 12:03:19+00:00): Hello 1T-money,
Adding fantasy data to OpenStreetMap to make a political point as you did here https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=97236309 is not OK.  OpenStreetMap is a map of the real world as it really exists.  While there have been real-world examples of the sort of thing that you pretended existed here (see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_swastika ) I suspect that had these trees been planted outside the Capitol it might have been reported more widely.
Best Regards,
Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.
MxxCon (2021-01-10 06:49:35+00:00): Hello.
Could you please elaborate why did you create and then deleted all these beach nodes?
eggie (2021-01-10 07:05:47+00:00): Dag Maasgis.. Heeft je voetpad wel een verbinding met het Schoutenveld?
Mvg
Eggie
Commodoortje (2021-01-10 07:36:26+00:00): Misschien heb je iets aan dit filmpje.
https://youtu.be/C9sFpiF_-vs
tip: full screen afspelen, kwaliteit op 1080P zetten, speelsnelheid 2x
eggie (2021-01-10 07:40:04+00:00): ...  aanvulling.. Het is ook nog een lege 'way' 
Dus nog een regel toevoegen highway=footway