piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
hoserab (2022-12-09 04:16:47+00:00): Casper, when you write "I would love to see the documentation that hoserab uses to dictate guidelines to others," I presume you mean the local customs. (I already quoted the relevant excerpts from the OSM wiki.)

The 'guideline' that Calgarians would never write out the unabbreviated quadrants in a street name or address? Well old chum that's quite simply *reality*. Documentation? Of the "official" sort, I already mentioned the City of Calgary parcel addressing system (https://www.calgary.ca/development/addressing.html), Alberta Land Titles (http://alta.registries.gov.ab.ca/SpinII/MapIndex.aspx?MapFindType=Address), and the Canada Post postal code database (https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/info/mc/personal/postalcode/fpc.jsf); feel free to peruse them at your leisure. In not one of them will you find an instance of the quadrant being spelled out in full. In fact, give the Alberta Spatial Information System I linked a whirl, go look for an address. Try "71 Ranchlands Crescent Northwest, Calgary". Fill in the fields as follows:

House Number: 71
Street Name: Ranchlands
Street Type: Crescent
Quadrant: Northwest
Municipality: Calgary

Seriously, go try it before you read any further.


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"No results found."

Now go back and change the quadrant field to "NW".

Found a result, didn't it? Now why is it that the full, unabbreviated "Northwest" gives a null result? Quite simply the database was never programmed to look for it, *because no one writes street names with unabbreviated quadrants*.  ;) 


Minh, I appreciate additional backstory about Vid the Kid's essay, but you misinterpreted why I referenced it. In no way was I insinuating it's gospel, I was merely illustrating that this is an issue which has a history.

With respect to Vid's essay's genesis, and the ultimate consensus reached in Whateversville, Ohio: that's fascinating, but entirely irrelevant. This isn't TIGER data, this isn't Ohio.


As for "folks here coolly arriving at a workable solution", we already have one: the status quo across all of Calgary, wherein the street names always use the two-letter quadrant abbreviations. Because that's customary in Calgary, as explained above. The map is already consistent across the thousands and thousands of named road segments in Calgary. Local mappers are not so incompetent that they don't know the names of their own streets, believe it or not.
tastrax (2022-12-09 04:55:43+00:00): You might like to edit the Canada Tagging Guidelines to reflect change so there is no further issues ... if the community has changed from the suggestion in the wiki. 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada/Tagging_guidelines#Street_names
michael60101 (2022-12-09 05:03:40+00:00): hoserab, I did check the links you sent. For the first link, I can't seem to find any mention that the quadrant must be abbreviated. Maybe I am missing something. The second link is currently down for nightly maintenance, so I'll check tomorrow. And the third link seems to abbreviate everything, including the street type suffix (Road, Street, Court, etc).
michael60101 (2022-12-09 05:05:28+00:00): tastrax, according to someone I've been talking to, this is not a Canada-wide tagging issue, but mostly limited to Western Canada and the Prairie Provinces. I'm currently getting more info from that mapper. He's been quite helpful.
michael60101 (2022-12-09 05:07:35+00:00): Correction: Western Canada excluding British Columbia.
hoserab (2022-12-09 05:10:57+00:00): That comment of mine ^above^ was getting to be a little long, so I've split it as follows.

Given all the points I made above, you may be asking yourself, "Okay hoserab, if we shouldn't write the full quadrant names out, why then shouldn't we apply your logic to the street 'type' itself, as in 'St.' instead of 'Street', 'Ave' instead of 'Avenue', etc.?"

Now don't get ol' hoserab here wrong: I do understand and acknowledge there is a certain logic to writing out the 'types' in full. Especially as it concerns "St", which I can see could be easily confused with "Saint" in lieu of "Street". (Witness for example "Saint Matthew Square NE", https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/174936211)

Actually, the reason why I picked the address 71 Ranchlands Crescent NW to use as an example was because I wanted to acknowledge that using the abbreviations for the street 'type' can be problematic. There is a street nearby Ranchlands Crescent named Ranchlands *Court*. Now according to the City of Calgary addressing system, "Court" should be abbreviated "Co", and "Crescent" should be abbreviated "Cr". If you go searching the Canada Post database they'll instead use "Crt" for Court and "Cres" for Crescent, and that's what's actually written on the street signage in both cases. There are a few "Courts" in Calgary that are (or at least historically were) signed "Ct", which matches neither system! This is precisely why the Alberta Land Titles use the unabbreviated name: to prevent confusion. "Ranchlands Co" or "Ranchlands Crt": I would agree it's best to use the full unabbreviated 'type' so that we're clear it's "Ranchlands Court" and not "Ranchlands Crescent", and so we're not easily confused by "Ranchlands Cr"... which is Ranchlands Crescent, not Court.
hoserab (2022-12-09 05:16:59+00:00): And as one can see, we're not so stupid as to confuse ourselves and already quite consistently keep this straight: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.12028/-114.19910
michael60101 (2022-12-09 05:20:21+00:00): No, I wasn't asking why street types shouldn't be abbreviated. I am point out that on the two currently online sources you provided, everything except the name of the street is abbreviated. And that doesn't help determine whether or not the quadrant is abbreviated.

As I said in my previous comment, I will check the currently offline source when it's back online.
tastrax (2022-12-09 05:20:40+00:00): Its clear to me that there is some sort of 'exception' that seems to occur in this area and has been agreed to by the local 'community'. There are lots of things that OSM does differently to other standards (be they postal addresses standards, utilities etc) so what folks are asking is that somewhere this is documented, preferably in the wiki link I posted earlier. If it only occurs in Calgary then make that clear. If its also in other areas then spell that out so we all benefit from the communities agreed standard that differs from the OSM norm.
hoserab (2022-12-09 05:21:05+00:00): Oh and Michael, have you ever stopped to consider that perhaps this is something which doesn't have a Canada-wide consistency for a reason, and that you haven't stumbled across "an issue" because... it's not an issue? I would not presume to know the local naming customs in Victoria or St. John's (nor Saint John; mind the abbreviated and unabbreviated St. and Saint here, it's quite important... ;) ), so as much as I would not apply their customs in Calgary nor would I apply Calgarian customs there.
michael60101 (2022-12-09 05:28:20+00:00): Yes, I have considered that. I'm not editing without doing any research whatsoever. It's quite obvious to me that different places have different naming customs. One thing to consider is that not all parts of the world on OSM are updated equally, so there's a good chance that you'll find something somewhere that has a depreciated tagging standard and that needs to be updated to match current tagging standards.
hoserab (2022-12-09 05:35:10+00:00): Oh, tastrax, comments are being added as such a pace that I can't keep up, haha.

As Viajero Perdido mentioned farther up the chain, such is the case in Edmonton as well. Typically across all of Alberta it's pretty safe to say if there's a directional suffix at the end of a road name, it's almost always abbreviated. 

It can be quite important, to prevent confusion. For example in Lethbridge, Alberta's fourth most populous city, pay close attention to the names of the roads on the north and south sides of Henderson Park. (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/49.6864/-112.7974) The road along the north edge of the park is Parkside Drive S. The road on the south side of the park is South Parkside Drive S. Categorically no Lethbridgian would EVER write the directional suffix out in full, so that it's clear "Parkside Drive South" is not confused with "South Parkside Drive".
tastrax (2022-12-09 05:44:58+00:00): Excellent - so document that in the wiki so it can be applied with consistency
tastrax (2022-12-09 05:49:16+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/129765303#map=16/50.0415/-110.6775
hoserab (2022-12-09 05:56:37+00:00): Oh thank you for finding all those errors, tastrax. It appears the user TheMundaneDave took it upon himself to change the names in Medicine Hat, because he was blindly following "openstreetmap policy on abbreviations". (e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/55014900) Someone ought to go fix that.
hoserab (2022-12-09 06:09:19+00:00): I'll update the Canada, Alberta and Calgary pages on the wiki; thanks for the suggestion tastrax. Hopefully this will prevent future misunderstandings by eager mappers from elsewhere who are unaware of our local customs. It's late though, past my bed time; I'll try to get around to it tomorrow or Sunday, if I have time.
tastrax (2022-12-09 06:10:25+00:00): So write down the rule that the local community  has agreed to and applies in your special areas and there will be no confusion. You might even consider another address sub key for quadrant? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:*
tastrax (2022-12-09 06:48:22+00:00): I am sure the local community will be on to those corrections immediately, although they have been there for 5 years. It would be a lot easier to correct if the quadrant was in its own dedicated key.
skyper (2022-12-07 21:29:11+00:00): Hi  ramyazka,
woher erkennst Du denn, dass hier Einbahnstraßen sind? Warst Du vor Ort? Stehen da Schilder?
Wie passt diese Änderung zu https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/125372799?

Fragende Grüße,
skyper
ramyazka (2022-12-08 10:54:47+00:00): Hi skyper,
I have added directions based on the driving rules of Germany as per physical median present over there.If you are going through the location please provide us more sources to make the changes else please do it from your end. 
Thanks in advance,
ramyazka
skyper (2022-12-08 17:01:20+00:00): Hallo ramyazka,
wie schon von einer anderen Person angemerkt, hat das "Rechtsfahrgebot" nichts mit Einbahnstraßen zu tun. Auch bei Verkehrsinseln braucht es entsprechende Verkehrszeichen und wenn es nur ein abwärtsgerichteter, weißer Pfeil auf blauem Grund ist oder zumindest eindeutige Fahrbahnmarkierungen. Für Kreisverkehre braucht es immer ein entsprechendes Verkehrszeichen.
Da zwar u.a. sowohl Mapillary als auch Kartaview erwähnt sind, ist mir nicht klar welche Quellen Du verwendest hast,daher gebe in Zukunft bitte alle verwendeten Quellen im CS mit `source=*` an. Bitte drehe die Beweislast nicht um. Es ist Deine Aufgabe entsprechende Quellen zu verwenden oder zu besorgen. Eventuell bedarf es dafür eine Besichtigung vor Ort. Im Zweifel sollte nichts verändert werden.

Weiterhin ist es auch nicht meine Aufgabe Euch hinterherzuräumen, daher bitte ich Dich, jetzt alle Deine Änderungen der letzten Zeit erneut zu überprüfen und im Zweifel zurückzusetzen. Bitte gebe mir Bescheid, wenn Du damit durch bist. Des weiteren  setzte Dich bitte mit Deinem Team zusammen und besprecht diese Aufgabe erneut und dokumentiert sie entsprechend im Wiki. Bis dahin sollte diese Aufgabe ruhen.

Danke im Voraus,
Grüße skyper
ramyazka (2022-12-09 09:48:56+00:00): Hi skyper, Apologise for the incorrect edit I have made the changes and we are working with our internal team to understand more on such scenarios.Thanks again for reporting the issue and giving us the feedback. Always happy to learn more from you
Regards,
ramyazka
skyper (2023-03-16 16:38:53+00:00): Hallo ramyazka,
welche Quellen hast Du verwendet?
@Amazon:
Ich dachte Ihr wolltet alle Änderungen bis Ende Januar erneut überprüfen (https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/129308457). Warum wurde hier nichts geändert?
Siehe https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3589943.
Fragende Grüße,
skyper
deepikja (2023-03-22 19:30:06+00:00): Hi Skyper,
We have audited the tasks as mentioned earlier and corrected the errors which were wrong basis the ground reality. 
The edit in this task highlighted by you was ambiguous for the editor to make the necessary corrections. This is an honest mistake from the editor. Hence, I have made the necessary modifications in the changeset 133993221. 
I would like to assure you that we are working on making alterations to our internal SOP that will assist editors in making valid edits and limit the possibility of improper edits streaming into OSM from our end. 
Regards,
Deepika
Spaghetti Monster🍝 (2025-11-09 04:16:19+00:00): These look like public trails.
maraf24 (2022-12-07 21:49:00+00:00): Ja bym name usunął, tutaj pewnie, jak na chyba wszystkich takich stacjach, nie ma żadnej tabliczki z nazwą.
NorthCrab (2022-12-08 01:04:05+00:00): Też tak podejrzewam ale nie jestem pewien czy aktualnie umieszczone tu tagi wystarczająco opisują ten obiekt? Niby jest industrial=gas ale jakoś mało specyficznie to brzmi.
maraf24 (2022-12-08 13:19:35+00:00): Na pewno obiekt nie jest dokładnie opisany, ale też nie wiem, co tu dokładnie jest. Może jakaś rozdzielnia, redukcja, a może tylko pomiar? Bo raczej nie pumping_station.
ChehrehBargi (2024-08-07 08:52:29+00:00): This is not police station 16. According to the question I asked here, 16 is now somewhere else.
f_kia (2024-08-10 12:10:59+00:00): Okay. Thank you
ChehrehBargi (2024-08-10 16:03:50+00:00): be healthy
olo81 (2022-12-15 17:34:00+00:00): Jeśli na drogach nie ma znaków ograniczających predkość a dodajemy prawne ograniczenia powinno być to odpowiednio tagowane. 
Brakuje "source:maxspeed=PL:urban" 
Tak że do poprawy.
NorthCrab (2022-12-15 18:07:40+00:00): Dobra dokumentacja znakowania różnych obszarów oraz znaków: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pl:Road_signs_in_Poland (najważniejsze w terenach miejskich są PL:urban oraz PL:rural)
mavl (2024-11-13 05:35:46+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 159076412 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: incompatible sources - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/16857].
SK53 (2022-12-15 16:28:59+00:00): Hi,

You failed to include all the building when you revised this, check out the building:part N of S corridor labelled Newell Ward.

Jerry
SomeoneElse (2022-12-15 16:48:23+00:00): https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p6y shows the situation before, https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p6z after.
VlIvYur (2022-12-15 20:07:18+00:00): Done
ZSZBP05BLE (2022-12-06 06:45:11+00:00): Brouska Zarin
Stahlmann (2022-12-13 14:43:11+00:00): Hello Прокопий Попов,
the path you have created does not seem correct to me. It is created as a paved road, which seems strange on one of the largest rivers in the world. Unfortunately, I can not say whether the river is currently overfrozen and passable by vehicles.

Can you give a specification about this road?

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Здравствуйте Прокопий Попов
Созданный вами путь не кажется мне правильным. Он создан как асфальтированная дорога, что кажется странным на одной из крупнейших рек в мире. К сожалению, я не могу сказать, перемерзла ли река в настоящее время и проходима ли она для транспортных средств.

Можете ли вы дать спецификацию об этой дороге?

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Stahlmann (2022-12-13 14:43:45+00:00): Hello Прокопий Попов,
the path you have created does not seem correct to me. It is created as a paved road, which seems strange on one of the largest rivers in the world. Unfortunately, I can not say whether the river is currently overfrozen and passable by vehicles.

Can you give a specification about this road?

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Здравствуйте Прокопий Попов
Созданный вами путь не кажется мне правильным. Он создан как асфальтированная дорога, что кажется странным на одной из крупнейших рек в мире. К сожалению, я не могу сказать, перемерзла ли река в настоящее время и проходима ли она для транспортных средств.

Можете ли вы дать спецификацию об этой дороге?

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mavl (2024-11-13 05:34:59+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 159076412 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: incompatible sources - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/16857].
Filip009 (2022-12-15 10:47:14+00:00): Dobrý deň, znova Vám opakujem, dávate si pozor na spájanie cesty a hranice! Najlepšie ako sa tomu vyvarovať je skryť hranicu. Pri editovaní v pravej časti je "mapové údaje" (klávesová skratka "U"). Potom rozkliknúť mapové objekty a kliknúť na hranice, tak aby tam políčko nebolo zaškrtnuté.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10241770036/history
eggie (2022-12-06 08:22:33+00:00): Bijna goed.. editir iD geeft weinig overzicht  merk ik .. ook bij medemappers. 
Die Engelse duiding kan ook nog weg..
Ik gebruik editor josm.. De ervaren mappers idem.

en:Rabobank ?

Gr eggie
LopersLos (2022-12-13 13:13:21+00:00): Ik heb een paar dagen geleden een poging gedaan josm aan de praat te krijgen, maar zonder resultaat. Ga binnenkort een nieuwe poging wagen, maar stijle leercurve.
eggie (2022-12-13 13:23:26+00:00): Yep... 
Vergewis je er van dat je java op je computer hebt staan. Wellicht heeft t daar mee te maken.
Anders even op het forum vragen.
Ik gebruik gewoon de web-versie.
Dan ben je altijd uptodate.
Succes
Eggie
LopersLos (2022-12-13 14:04:07+00:00): Webversie spreekt me voorlopig meer aan dan een extra programma op mijn computer. Heb je daar misschien een link van? Ik kom nu steeds uit op een forum over josm, maar dat is niet wat ik wil. Dank alvast!
eggie (2022-12-13 16:31:45+00:00): Denk deze link https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Nl:Download
eggie (2022-12-13 16:33:33+00:00): en deze https://josm.openstreetmap.de/
user_5359 (2022-12-12 05:17:18+00:00): Hello! Please have a look on http://www.osm.org/node/10241691434. what is the meaning of the tag dr = هیچ?
Langlaeufer (2022-12-06 10:54:05+00:00): Hallo Peteeeee, willkommen bei OSM.
in motorroad=yes ist das Verbot von foot, horse, bicylce bereits enthalten.  Somit muss das nicht explizit nochmal eingetragen werden.
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Peteeeeee (2022-12-06 11:20:00+00:00): Danke dir :-)
ivanbranco (2022-12-07 11:09:03+00:00): Ciao Saketo Nemo, benvenuto su OSM

Due appunti: avevi tolto il membro "outer" dalla relazione, forse per ora è una cosa complicata per te, fatto sta che l'editor che hai usato (iD) ha provato ad avvisarti ma lo hai ignorato e caricato comunque. Andrebbero sempre sistemati gli errori prima dell'upload.

Hai aggiunto width=400, questo voleva dire che la pista aveva una larghezza di 400 metri. E' stato cambiato in lenght=400 da un altro utente.

Buon mapping!
pitscheplatsch (2022-12-06 19:13:56+00:00): Hi.

Could you use the comment field of your created changeset for describing your map edits? See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments

Thanks.

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SekeRob (2022-12-06 19:41:48+00:00): Hi

Think the notation of construction:highway=secondary can be simplified to just construction=secondary (overpass 13K cases WW) versus construction:highway=* 4 cases WW 

I'd cut the roads at the blocks and tag them as access=no or permit ad interim.

ciao
gscholz (2022-12-08 06:24:39+00:00): Hi Robert,
yes the local user must know what exactly is going on here. Overlapping construction is not valid, but a street in construction can still be accessible e.g. by traffic light regulation where only one direction can pass.
Guido
troglobiont (2022-12-06 09:24:14+00:00): Bist du ein Mitarbeiter von https://www.region-villach.plus
?

Du machst seit Jahren die gleichen Fehler und reagierst nicht auf Changeset-Kommentare.

https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/129736545

https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/129736407
eggie (2022-12-06 10:57:39+00:00): Beste Sven

Check anders even hier of je aannames wel kloppen.
https://www.satellietdataportaal.nl/?base=openstreetmap&res=0.5&datemin=06-12-2021&loc=51.89765%2C4.268505%2C18z&overlay=mos-0&marker=loc&acqdate=2022-09-22&acqid=20220922_110553_SV2-01&sensor=SuperView-1

MVG
eggie
Diacritic (2022-12-06 11:19:43+00:00): Hi Luc,

I've removed the descriptive names from the paths you've added as it doesn't align with best practice.

I've also spent some time repairing your contributions: the paths and roads you are adding don't actually connect to each other, making it impossible to use the data for routing.

For future contributions, please try to ensure that the roads are "snapped" to each other and connected at a node. Happy to discuss further if required.

Dian
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streckenkundler (2022-12-06 21:10:02+00:00): Why not just name:pl ?
This is simply the Polish transliteration of the German and/or Sorbian name. :)
name:pl is correct for me, in contrast to alt_name:pl or old_name:pl.
szydzio (2022-12-08 10:21:02+00:00): Hi! Ein name:pl ist ein im Polnisch im täglichen Gebrauch funktionierender Name. Hier ist es definitiv nicht der Fall. Kein einziger Mensch in Polen versteht unter Pieczyn eine Kleinstadt in Ostdeutschland, eher diese Siedlung in Großpolen => https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3009666451. Bis auf die größten Städte/Fluse gibt es auch keine name:pl für Objekte in Deutschland. Die Namen hinzugefügt von dem User polishnamer waren größtenteils vermutet oder gar fiktiv und würden revertet => https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119044854 . Die verbleibenden gehören maximal ins old_name:pl als einmal historisch verwendet. Grüße !
streckenkundler (2022-12-08 17:38:48+00:00): Hei,

...polishnamer...
ach ja, da war ja was... Jetzt erinnere ich mich... Ihr mach das schon! Danke.

Sven
szydzio (2022-12-08 21:41:09+00:00): Hier noch die amtlich anerkannte polnische Namen fuer Objekte in Deutschland (ab Seite 194) => https://www.gov.pl/attachment/19fa85f9-65de-4bb0-8cc4-7dc552229b7d
user_5359 (2022-12-12 05:22:02+00:00): Welcome! If somebody correct your errors, accept this. Please have a look on wiki.osm.org. There is a detail description of every key.
eggie (2022-12-06 10:04:59+00:00): oke...  Zo gaat het prima.
Supaplex (2024-10-04 04:38:03+00:00): Hi

Why do you change a disputed territy to mountain bike route? It is not ok to this kind of vandalism

Dennis Raylin Chen 
Data Working Group
data@osmfoundation.org
eggie (2022-12-06 10:04:23+00:00): oke..
bxl-forever (2022-12-06 17:07:56+00:00): I suppose it must also have "oneway=yes" in the correct direction, otherwise adding the exception for cyclists makes little sense.
In what direction does motor traffic run on this street?
bxl-forever (2022-12-09 17:21:01+00:00): Don’t bother, we fixed it.  According to the last pictures we took in this area, motor traffic is eastbound (towards Drève de Lorraine/Lorreinendreef).
GEO ECLA (2023-01-13 14:27:43+00:00): Merci pour votre contribution. J'ai remplacé le point par un polygone reprenant les limites du terrain.
Le nom n'était pas utile car le type d'objet est connu grâce aux informations saisies (leisure=pitch, sport=boules) et à la localisation (le terrain est dans les limites de la commune de Courbouzon).
Bonne continuation !
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eggie (2022-12-06 10:03:58+00:00): Lijkt me oke.. 
Vaak wordt er ook pub gebruikt.
Er is een subtiel verschil met bar.
Zie wiki.
gr eggie
LopersLos (2022-12-13 13:18:39+00:00): Ik krijg de indruk dat pub het beste gebruikt kan worden voor (wat wij noemen) 'bruine kroeg' en ook wellicht 'eetcafé'.
eggie (2022-12-13 13:29:06+00:00): Klopt... =cafe wordt in ieder vaak verkeerd gebruikt. Dat zijn de Starbucks.

De betekenis van verengelste woorden klopt niet altijd.
Meestvoorkomende fouten
Monument ipv memorial.. 
Bank ipv bench .. bos staat soms vol bankbiljetten.
Arts_centre voor amenity doctors