piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
◪ Jarv (2021-09-04 21:36:13+00:00): Hi Puckpics, I see that in this changeset you renamed "Green Lane" to "Byway Open to All Traffic". The name tag (the one you used) is for what the way/road is known as and not what it is. The way is already tagged as "byway_open_to_all_traffic" as its designation.
It may not be exactly clear how these things are tagged when you first start making changes on openstreetmap and that is understandable, I'll change it back to how it was.
You can read more about how to take public rights of way on the wiki article here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access_provisions_in_the_United_Kingdom
If you have any questions feel free to ask here, or send me a message. There is also a discord group and mailing list if you have any questions.
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Lejun (2021-09-04 15:48:31+00:00): Je ne pense pas que natural=cave_entrance soit un attribut approprié pour ce genre d’information. Le document est assez technique et ce n’est pas mon domaine, mais j’en comprends que ce point n’est pas une entrée de cave, mais une cave à proprement parler. Peut être serait-il préférable d’utiliser une combinaison de type :
  layer = -1
  natural = cave
Ce dernier n’est pas un attribut voté mais il me semble pertinent pour cet usage.

J’en déduis au passage que les multiples autres « entrées de cave » du territoire que vous aviez placé et que j’ai supprimé sont du même type. Je les restaurerai après qu’un accord ai été trouvé sur des attributs plus corrects.
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user_1566574 (2021-09-04 17:07:53+00:00): Assez d'accord là-dessus, l'intégration de ces données aurait du se faire après consultation de la communauté, déjà car les données ne sont pas fiables (des remontées que j'ai eu) et ensuite car les attributs choisis ne sont pas forcément les plus appropriés.
Voir notamment https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Import/Guidelines (bien que plus ou moins approprié dans ce cas)
Sans compter que la licence CC-BY-SA de Grottocenter ne permet pas une intégration à OpenStreetMap, dont la licence est l'ODbL – https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility.

Si ce n'est pas déjà fait, merci d'en discuter avec la communauté https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Canaux_de_contact et dans l'attente d'un consensus , de suspendre l'intégration. Merci à vous !

(Mais enfin, ça aura au moins permis de voir que le site https://beta.grottocenter.org/ui/map/ ne respecte pas la licence OpenStreetMap... Je me charge de leur signaler...)
MatthieuMartin (2021-11-11 18:08:11+00:00): Bonjour,

J'avais également remarqué ces imports..
A posteriori : 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/111203891
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/112208673
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/112082046
...

Bonne soirée,
user_1566574 (2022-01-21 09:26:47+00:00): Salut !
Je partage cette conversation du forum, qui peut être utile :
https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/source-de-donnees-pour-les-grottes-et-autres-cavites/7853

(Bonne année !)
user_1566574 (2022-03-14 22:10:36+00:00): Alors, non seulement il fait encore des imports le bougre (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9562343217), mais en plus il se paye le luxe de ne pas répondre.

On a été assez tolérant, mais là il met OSM dans la panade, donc je vais suggérer de faire sauter son compte et annuler ses modifs...
Lejun (2022-03-15 04:44:00+00:00): Est-ce qu’on peut parler d’import automatique, de masse, et sans accord de la communauté dans cette situation ?
user_1566574 (2022-03-15 07:01:04+00:00): Le premier point, non, le deuxième demande des chiffres et le dernier, il n'a certainement pas demandé l'avis de la communauté qui lui aurait refusé (aka "licence incompatible"), mais le contributeur n'a pas l'air décidé a affirmer ou infirmer quoi que ce soit...
pyrog (2022-03-15 08:27:26+00:00): > Je ne pense pas que natural=cave_entrance soit un attribut approprié pour ce genre d’information. Le document est assez technique et ce n’est pas mon domaine, mais j’en comprends que ce point n’est pas une entrée de cave

Cette cavité est bien une grotte naturelle.

"cave" en anglais = grotte en français.

Bernard (BTH) est un spéléo, (ex ?) membre de la Fédération Française de la Spéléologie.
Il connait bien le sujet.
De plus c'est lui qui a créé la fiche dans grottocenter ;)
BTH (2022-03-15 09:21:19+00:00): Bonjour,
Je découvre tardivement cette discussion dont il semble que je sois en partie la source. Je vais essayer de vous apporter quelques éléments de réponse, si tant est que j'aie bien compris vos différents sujets de questionnement.

1 - Tout d'abord, les licences libres appliquées en principe dans GrottoCenter sont CC-BY-SA pour les données encyclopédiques (descriptions, historiques, fiches d'équipement, ...) et ODBL pour ce qui concerna la base de données associée (cf.https://beta.grottocenter.org/). A ma connaissance, ces licences sont compatibles avec OSM.

2 - Les points spéciaux repérés comme "entrée de caverne" correspondent à des orifices visibles en surface, permettant de pénétrer dans des cavités souterraines. Ces entrées n'ont donc pas vocation à être cachées en couche -1.
Par contre, les galeries souterraines pourraient l'être, par analogie avec des tunnels ou des pipelines souterrains. Mais, à ma connaissance, de telles entités souterraines ne sont pas encore représentées sur OSM. Cependant, AMHA, les grands réseaux (plusieurs dizaines de kilomètres de développement cf. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_plus_longues_cavit%C3%A9s_naturelles_souterraines ) mériteraient d'être représentés. Je laisse le soin aux connaisseurs de ces grands réseaux de tenter un telle représentation.
3 - Je n'ai pas fait de saisie  "en masse" d'entrées de cavernes. Toutes les entrées que j'ai saisies l'ont été manuellement, à l'occasion de mises à jour des fiches cavités correspondantes dans GrottoCenter V2 (et bientôt V3). Certians pointages peuvent être approximatives voire erronées ; elles seront alors progressivement corrigées par d'autres contributeurs mieux renseignés, selon le principe de la libre collaboration.

J'espère avoir répondu à vos attentes ; sinon n'hésitez pas à me contacter en direct.

Bernard Thomachot
Wikicaves/Grottocenter
06 14 66 06 64
user_1566574 (2022-03-15 09:44:16+00:00): Bonjour Bernard,
Merci pour votre réponse, désolé que vous n'ayez pas été informé plus tôt (apparemment ça arrive que certains e-mails d'OSM n'arrivent pas) et donc d'avoir monté le truc en épingle.

Merci pour ces clarifications, effectivement on en a discuté et la base de données est en effet sous ODbL, donc compatible, l'information était cachée, au contraire du CC-BY-SA.

Pour la position approximative, on conseille d'ajouter les attributs note=* + source=* sur les entrées. Ex : note=Position approximative + source=Grottocenter

Merci beaucoup pour vos explications et investissement(s), une bonne semaine à vous !
pyrog (2022-03-15 09:49:12+00:00): La source est déjà dans le changeset.
La position approximative est relative, donc pas forcément utile de le préciser.

Ce qui est important c'est de mettre en place des liens entre les 2 projets, pour que par exemple une analyse osmose puisse prévenir des améliorations de la localisation…
Ou de pouvoir accéder d'un simple clic sur la fiche GrottoCenter pour consulter la bibliographie.
user_1566574 (2022-03-15 09:54:05+00:00): Nouveau vieux débat de où mettre la source...
Je ne connais pas la précisions en mètres des données, mais si il y a des erreurs de plusieurs dizaines/centaines de mètres il peut être bon de considérer l'option. Autrement pas nécessaire.

+1 pour ce que tu proposes
qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq (2021-09-25 18:40:40+00:00): Hello, route https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/129226648/history
is a residential road. Changing it back.
qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq (2021-09-25 18:56:32+00:00): Or not, I don't remember what turns are allowed from that road.

If I remember correctly, it has contradicting signs
1) Combined pedestrian/bicycle road sign
2) Do not enter sign with exclusion for residents (btw, do not enter sign applies to cyclists too, round red circle with a white background excludes them)
3) Residential road sign

The signs are kind of confusing there, but you have cut if off for cars completely. I'd say we should go for what practically is expected of this road.

In my opinion, this should be attached back to the Narva mnt and made residential. highway=residential is better than a cycle way as cyclists are often allowed on the road, but the routing software may completely ignore cycleways for cars. Also pedestrians may expect cars there.

Please fix it if you can, unless the signs changed or share your thoughts.
fghj753 (2021-09-26 11:09:52+00:00): Current state of Linnuse tee is tagged as cycleway with 
motor_vehicle=destination on segment from parking aisle in north until concrete block in south. This means that routing engines will direct drivers to the residents via parking lot and sometimes via Irusilla. Luckily, traffic signs on this junction (#map=19/59.46023/24.90521) are visible on about month old Mapillary imagery. 

* Turning right from Narva mnt to Linnuse tee is allowed as per destination sign on https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1001641713992040  
* So is left-turn also allowed: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=2870427889890013
* Notice how first sign is black-on-white while second is white-on-blue. That is caused by junction being located on the legal border of city.
* Traffic signs (No entry except residents) on Linnuse tee are visible on https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=132240762253013
.   * Going straight from Pärnamäe tee to Linnuse tee is also allowed as per that image series.
.   * There are no visible signs on Linnuse tee and median on Narva mnt has dashed line. Therefore You can turn on all 3 directions from Linnuse tee. It has traffic lights btw.
.   * The living-street sign is placed roughly at the spot where street moves from one jurisdiction to another, BUT it's rotated 90 degrees compared to what it should be. That is technique often used with temporary road construction signs to indicate that restrictions are not applied at the moment. 
* As for southern end of the street, there are metal barriers visible on last week imagery, but i can't determine, if there are more traffic signs. https://fotoladu.maaamet.ee/etak.php?B=59.45880109804291&L=24.90564843766783&fotoladu
* Regarding conflicting traffic signs, both Tallinn, Jõelähtme and maybe Viimsi should be notified, because road follows along border of two.

No idea if caused by this changeset, but https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/633025611 may need fixing as well. I am not sure if it has tactile paving though. Looks like non-standard rumble strip.

PS. This junction was recently redrawn on OSM and anyone fixing this may encounter inconsistent relations or lanewise tagging.
qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq (2021-09-27 18:52:18+00:00): Thanks for this thorough analysys, fghj753. 

>This means that routing engines will direct drivers to the residents via parking lot and sometimes via Irusilla.

Did you mean Iru tee? Anyway, it can be expected that a good routing engine could allow routing to an access=destination residential road, but routing by a highway=cycleway may be a bit questionable.

>That is technique often used with temporary road construction signs to indicate that restrictions are not applied at the moment. 

Or maybe it's vandalism. Actually correct technique:
https://www.google.com/maps/@59.4262229,24.7569369,3a,41.5y,101.37h,88.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHkLLPyCu6d6wuaEsvZ62QQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Btw, they added an exclusion there, yay!

What is your opinion on making this a residential street?

Some more questionable combination of a do not enter and a bicycle way, seems like it's ok to assume things:
https://www.google.com/maps/@59.4683898,24.8678497,3a,45.2y,18.92h,89.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srfmjNFmN87cKBR6VhsdkTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Pikse (2021-09-28 07:31:39+00:00): I agree that highway=residential would be more clear, at least till Linnuse tee 3 driveway.

Per Key:access wiki page it looks like value for motor_vehicle=* (or vehicle=*) should rather be "private"  for access only for residents, not "destination".

Also direct connection from Narva mnt to Linnuse tee needs to be restored, right?
UrSuS (2021-09-28 08:46:37+00:00): Hi guys! thanks for your interest on my changes :) I'm not local, but I've tried to use Mapillary images to set correct tags. That street\cycleway was tricky to map. Glad you made your suggestion!
fghj753 (2021-09-28 21:48:54+00:00): I had a chance to drive past there today and stopped at parking lot for survey. Well, actually there's no signs about being a parking lot. Put together quick drawing of possible osm features. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/537315188039221301/892523230919786496/parnamae-narva.png
In essence, what you see on Mapillary (and streetview) is up to date and valid. No-entry sign comes after the parking lot entrance, but the public part does go across two lowered kerbs (thin white line on drawing). 
Most crossings have standardized tactile paving (drawn as thick white line) except crossing on Linnuse tee, which uses mosaic paving (green). Linnuse tee can be entered from all 3 roads and turning to all 3.
Notable odd thing is crossing in parking lot (near tip of yellow arrow) which has traffic_calming=table only on parking lot's side, but not on Linnuse tee's side. SW cycleway has guard rail along northern side, but there's gap at southern corner of parking lot. 
All 4 directions of the junction have traffic lights. While U-turn at Irusilla tn is possible, it's not realistic due to volume of traffic and narrow road section.

I think Linnuse tee (way/129226648) should be mapped as residential road, but since it's dead-end road, there's no point in adding complicated access restriction tags.
qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq (2021-10-09 12:11:09+00:00): I've finally got to updating it. Turned out quite ugly, I've tried different approaches, but all of them don't look good. 

Also, there is some route Vana-Narva maantee which seems to start too early and contradicts Maaamet and osm name tags. Maybe should be fixed too.
Pikse (2021-10-09 13:38:25+00:00): To clarify, relation/8264513 (Vana-Narva maantee) is for a national road that can be checked in the register of roads. It extends over several address objects (traffic areas – liikluspinnad), and among others also an address object of the same name.

As for ugly junction, I'd consider merging lanes in opposite direction back into one way. Lanes apparently are separated, but there seems be little, if any, benefit from drawing separate ways.
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-09-04 12:42:35+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 110715097 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some inappropriate name edits.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5313 .
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-09-04 12:42:34+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 110715097 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some inappropriate name edits.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5313 .
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-09-04 12:42:35+00:00): This changeset reverts some or all edits made in changesets 110714467, 110714479, 110714495, 110714507, 110714539, 110714615.
Kachkaev (2021-09-04 12:47:41+00:00): Primary data source: survey (forgot to mention in the changeset)
bxl-forever (2021-09-05 14:43:45+00:00): Hello,
Do not forget to add disused:* on the stop sign too, or remove it altogether.  ;-)
Otherwise it is interpreted as a stop sign without a proper road, which validators flag as a mistake.
Same for lift gates and everything that only makes sense when being part of a road.
billyonthemountain (2021-09-05 18:33:53+00:00): Hi bxl-forever,
Thanks for info. Didn't think about it but it makes sense.
Dimitar155 (2021-10-10 06:54:41+00:00): Hi Svilenov,
Why have you tagged these streets as living streets? There are no signs that this is a residential zone as far as I know.
Regards,
Dimitar155
Svilenov (2021-10-15 08:53:43+00:00): Those streets have no pavement and are quite narrow. 
Защото нямат тротоари и са много тесни.
Dimitar155 (2021-10-15 09:29:34+00:00): There is the sidewalk=left/right/both/no tag for the sidewalk. If they are very narrow (two cars can't pass each other without one of them going on the pavement) you can tag them as highway=service + service=alley.
highway=living_street is for streets where children can play on them, pedestrians can cross anywhere and cars can't go faster than 20km/h. Such zones have specific signs on the their entrances and exits.
Friendly_Ghost (2022-12-24 19:36:44+00:00): Hello Iskrin,

The Ukrainian OSM community urges us not to edit the map of Ukraine during the war. Could you please map elsewhere until the war is over?

Link to statement by the community: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_war

You should also write more informative changeset comments to let other mappers know what you are editing. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments for the relevant guideline.
tordans (2021-09-05 05:56:48+00:00): Oh, stimmt, die Auto-Spur war ja falsch :-O
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Supaplex030 (2021-09-05 08:00:30+00:00): Hatte ich glaube ich selbst erst vor ein, zwei Monaten so falsch gemappt >_< Hatte nicht auf die durchgezogene Linie geachtet – aber sie müsste ja genau diese Bedeutung haben, oder? (also dass man sie nicht überfahren darf und dementsprechend nicht abbiegen kann). Ein Schild, was das abbiegen verbietet, gibt es nämlich nicht und "physisch" wäre vor der Verkehrsinsel auch Platz zum abbiegen...
Supaplex030 (2021-09-05 08:01:41+00:00): Siehe hier: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=597643928305230
tordans (2021-09-05 12:58:40+00:00): Ja, so interpretiere ich die Situation auch – abbiegen nicht gewünscht.
user_2066394 (2021-09-05 09:21:49+00:00): Das Panini war bereits eingetragen. Bereinigt.
ralley (2021-09-06 22:58:28+00:00): A protest site should not be tagged as tourism, also your changeset comment specifically calls out that this is tagging for the renderer: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer
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mapmakerdavid (2021-09-07 03:51:10+00:00): Thanks for the feedback, ralley. I'll revise the tagging.
vulasala (2021-09-06 05:50:02+00:00): Hi hxuanmin,
Trust you are doing well. I have added classification to way 979565234, way 979565235,
and way 979565236, as they are untagged ways.
Thank you.
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DaveF (2021-09-04 23:33:21+00:00): OSM's not a dump for external databases. The edubase refers back to data that's more accurately maintained than schools in OSM.
aldoct (2021-09-05 09:41:36+00:00): Ciao, vedo che usi ID e Bing come immagini aeree. Ti consiglio di sostituirle con JOSM ed Ortofoto del PCN. La georeferentazione di Bing è molto approssimativa e ti indice in errore. Saluti
Tomas_J (2025-10-05 19:31:45+00:00): Ahoj, pozrel by si sa, prosim, na https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/780479826#map=18/48.595377/17.826287? Pride mi to, ze je oznacena nespravne ako zmiesana s cyklistami, alebo prilahly cyklochodnik je vyznaceny duplicine. Tie priechody pre chodcov/cyklistov na krizovatke A. Hlinku x Zilinska cesta su oznacene imho nespravne ako bicycle=designed, pretoze hned vedla su vyznacene dalsie samostatne priechody iba pre cyklistov. Dik.
segi (2025-10-08 08:10:31+00:00): Ahoj. Prešiel som to a poopravoval.
habi (2021-09-06 07:20:40+00:00): Mersi für die Korrektur der uic_ref ;)
marc__marc (2023-05-06 21:25:25+00:00): Bonjour,
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148836470
savez-vous ce qu'il y a au bout de cette rue vers la Rue Pierre Cot ? barrière ou il y a un passage ?
SC permet de faire une note photo sii vous le souhaitez
Cordiialement,
Marc
NieWnen (2021-09-04 14:32:32+00:00): Cześć, 
dzięki za swój wkład dla OSM. Staraj się proszę na terenie Polski używać Ortofotomapy z Geoportalu. W razie jakichkolwiek wątpliwości śmiało pytaj, czy to przez stronę OSM, forum, discorda, fb itp.
快乐的老鼠宝宝 (2023-10-13 07:42:48+00:00): source已失效，补充一下版权合规且易于访问的更官方的来源：

https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/zhengceku/2020-04/19/content_5504212.htm

（政府公告应视为公有领域）
（由于各种转载均实际来源于政府公告，因此原changeset的版权仍应视为相容的）
Kachkaev (2021-09-04 14:52:56+00:00): See comment in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/100519214
user_2066394 (2021-09-27 14:43:10+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/979574632
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/51101703

OSMsuspects! zeigt für die Gebäude ein Hausnuimmern-Duplikat.
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-09-04 15:03:57+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 110720451 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some more inappropriate name edits.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5314 .
Sternenfeuer (2024-04-23 17:23:30+00:00): Der Spielplatz existiert seit Jahren nicht mehr!
osmviborg (2021-09-05 08:46:47+00:00): Hej. Jeg har justeret din rettelse, baseret på 2021 ortofoto. https://listservices.kortforsyningen.dk/#/map/WMS/orto_foraar_temp
MichaelVL (2021-09-05 13:14:18+00:00): Takker. Det ser fornuftigt ud. Var forbi idag og lave et GPS track og opdaterede lidt mere. O3 er nu i brug til Enslevvej
Kachkaev (2021-09-04 14:55:32+00:00): I was hiking via this road and noticed that the router in Organic maps was building odd detours.

Looks like it was to do with a custom designation tag, which was treated as private. I changed the tag according to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:designation#United_Kingdom
Mateusz Konieczny (2025-05-03 08:12:05+00:00): Hello! https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/979578199/history has shop = drink that was added in this edit
shop=drink ? Should it be shop=beverages ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop=beverages ) Maybe with drink= with value describing dominating beverage? Or is it rather an alcohol shop?
SomeoneElse_Revert (2021-09-04 15:03:57+00:00): This changeset reverts some or all edits made in changesets 110719495, 110719680.
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-02-20 10:38:25+00:00): Can you look at https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3566946 ?
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-10-23 13:36:01+00:00): And https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3954556 ?
Mateusz Konieczny (2023-10-23 13:36:27+00:00): And https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3954555 ?
schnism (2021-09-05 10:44:34+00:00): Hi! Ich will keinen Edit-War starten, aber das Tor ist extra durch eine Kette gesperrt, so dass Fussgänger durch können. Das basiert auf einer Absprache mit der TBR. Nach Abschluss der Erschließung wird das Tor durch einen oder zwei Pöller ersetzt.Darum habe ich den Change zurückgeändert, hoffe das ist okay.
RubenKelevra (2021-09-05 13:19:18+00:00): Oh, wusste nicht das es da irgendwelche Absprachen gibt. Hab die Kette gesehen, aber da muss man schon schlank und flexibel sein um durch zu passen.

Wollte mit nem eScooter durch und es sah mir nicht wirklich "legal" aus das zu tun. 

Würde foot=permissive in dem Fall empfehlen.
RubenKelevra (2021-09-05 13:19:48+00:00): Und schreib die Absprache in note:de=*
schnism (2021-09-06 11:54:05+00:00): Ja, gute Idee, habe ich gerade beides gemacht. Ist eine blöde Situation vor Ort, gab schon viel Streit und sogar einen Vor-Ort-Termin mit unserem OB :)
RubenKelevra (2021-09-06 19:08:19+00:00): Wo genau liegt denn das Problem? Ich mein, direkt dahinter sind zwei Fußwege laut Karte... warum wird das Tor nicht abgebaut und ne Baustellenbake hin, damit niemand durch fährt? 🤔
eggie (2021-09-06 21:17:51+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privebericht. 

MVG, 

Eggie 

Namens de OSM Community
aixbrick (2021-09-04 19:46:04+00:00): Hallo,
zur Info: Zu diesem Weg gibt es eine Diskussion: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2249089.
Gruß