piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
user_4493657 (2020-10-19 16:03:55+00:00): Z tego co się orientuję to most łączy z definicji dwa brzegi rzeki nieważne, z czego jest wykonany czy konopi, stali, kamienia, drewna lub betonu). W definicji na wiki nie powinno i w tym przypadku nie ma sformułowania " to jest to na pewno".
Dolny odcinek drogi lub ścieżki jest oznaczany jako tunel=yes bo taka jest ... tradycja. Na samym początku ktoś wpadł na taki pomysł, ten pomysł stał się pewnym standardem stosowanym w edytorach, jest również spisany na stronie wiki.
skfd (2020-10-20 15:11:12+00:00): Привет! Старое имя надо переносить в old_name:XX что бы поиск работал
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muchichka_s (2020-10-18 19:33:58+00:00): Do you have anything to do with Ukraine and our OSM society?
andrewsh (2020-10-18 19:35:30+00:00): Yes. Any more questions?
muchichka_s (2020-10-18 19:39:17+00:00): I do not see that you have been actively mapping something in Ukraine for a long time. And local arrangements allow us to leave a transliteration or common name for the street name as name:en
andrewsh (2020-10-18 19:40:35+00:00): Transliterations go to int_name. However, these "names" are not transliterations but translations.

Also see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Avoid_transliteration
muchichka_s (2020-10-18 19:49:16+00:00): Ukraine even has a law on how to translate to English names correctly. It's a bit like transliteration. I want to emphasize the agreements once again.
Can you tell which language is your native language?
andrewsh (2020-10-18 19:57:02+00:00): What Ukraine has or hasn’t is completely irrelevant. We try to avoid transliteration in OSM, and we *never* translate street names unless there’s a sizable local community using that language (and hence probably using these names) or if it possible to prove these streets officially have those names.

What you’re claiming goes against both rules of OpenStreetMap as such and the documented rules of the Ukrainian community.
andrewsh (2020-10-18 19:59:35+00:00): Unless you can show there’s a community of primarily English-speaking people in this town *or* there’s an official document proving these streets are named like that (not a website — anyone can put anything up onto a website), there’s really nothing to talk about and those translations don’t belong here.
muchichka_s (2020-10-18 20:17:48+00:00): BTW In the 2 streets where you erased the name were the official names of people from the English Wikipedia
andrewsh (2020-10-18 20:22:23+00:00): We’re not mapping people, we’re mapping streets. The fact the people streets are named after are also called something in English (their Hungaian names, surprise!) doesn’t mean the streets also have English names.
Please also keep in mind that the contents of Wikipedia is largely irrelevant for OSM.
muchichka_s (2020-10-18 20:25:18+00:00): OK Tell us your vision of how it should be please. What names should give navigation to foreign drivers who drove into this city. Where should it take them?
andrewsh (2020-10-18 20:26:46+00:00): The navigation system will automatically transliterate the names.
andrewsh (2020-10-18 20:30:24+00:00): https://i.imgur.com/xPi1wu3.png
https://i.imgur.com/pZWo1eC.png
muchichka_s (2020-10-18 20:34:28+00:00): And then everyone is uncomfortable because everyone knows Mihály not Mihaya
You yourself spoke out against transliteration, and here to contradict yourself
andrewsh (2020-10-18 20:39:44+00:00): Transliteration should be done in the end-user devices except cases when it’s tricky. It should not be in OSM.

Let’s be clear: the person who filled those in has never been to this town, they simply transliterated or translated the names. Take for example Vasút út. Vasút is railway, not a person, there’s no way this street could have been called Вашута вулиця in Ukrainian. That person never went there and never checked what’s on the signs.

So I think you’re betting on a wrong horse here anyway.
muchichka_s (2020-10-18 21:00:45+00:00): I have already written to you about Vasút in the another changeset. And this case definitely needs to be corrected back

Do you know in which city Munkácsy was born? it is about 35 km from here. I think we can assume he was here
andrewsh (2020-10-18 21:03:39+00:00): I wasn’t talking about Munkácsy but the OSM user who added English names to the streets.
muchichka_s (2020-10-18 21:15:52+00:00): I do not see auto translation there: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=48.36068989825205&lng=22.403846189504065&z=14.797914358667631
andrewsh (2020-10-18 21:19:19+00:00): Because Mapillary doesn’t do it. Which doesn’t matter anyway.
chlenix (2020-10-18 21:33:55+00:00): слухай, тобі не все-одно, є там тег для назв англійською чи ні? таке враження шо ти платиш за оренду сервера для осм, і за кожен зайвий біт тебе жаба душить. ІМХО
muchichka_s (2020-10-18 21:44:52+00:00): OK. Why can't I leave the English name?
According to Wikipedia, the city has an English name: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batiovo
although there are no native english speakers here from your words.
unci (2020-10-18 19:32:30+00:00): Hoppla: Das war gar kein Bach, sondern eine Grenze. Wie mache ich die Änderung rückgängig?
Luzandro (2020-10-19 11:04:14+00:00): Eine Möglichkeit ist das Reverter-Plugin für den JOSM-Editor: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:JOSM/Plugins/Reverter

Ich werde mir das heute Abend anschauen und möglichst nur die Änderung an der Grenze rückgängig machen.
Luzandro (2020-10-19 16:21:12+00:00): Ich habe die Grenze wiederhergestellt und stattdessen den Pelgrabenbach mit diesem neuen Verlauf angelegt
unci (2020-10-19 16:45:05+00:00): Danke, sieht gut aus. Gibt es auch eine Signatur für "Damm"? Ich glaube das ganze System dort wurde zum Hochwasserschutz angelegt?
Luzandro (2020-10-19 17:37:43+00:00): "Deich" gäbe es, findet man auch darunter im iD-Editor im Browser
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:man_made%3Ddyke
eggie (2020-10-18 19:44:14+00:00): Probeer simpel te beginnen. Dit is niet helemaal goed gegaan. Ik zie schade aan de kaart
https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=92667374

Je tekent als het ware zonder je potlood van het apier te halen de wegen heen en terug. Dat gaat allemaal niet routeren.
Ook verschuif je vlakken zonder dat je dat in de gaten hebt denk ik.
Wegen kruisen elkaar zonder verbindingen.
\Kijk eens goed in achavi wat je aan het doen bent
Het lijkt me beter dit terug te draaien.
Graag reactie
MVG,
eggie
eggie (2020-10-18 19:47:50+00:00): Eén pad zit aan de rand van het gebouw vast. Is het niet gewoon een highway=service met service=driveway ?
de rest zit in de knoop.
DthMaps (2020-10-18 19:58:13+00:00): Hetgeen jij aangeeft zie ik zo snel niet terug op mijn edits. Ik edit middels de browser overigens
eggie (2020-10-18 20:06:34+00:00): Je edit met de online editor iD.
Je moet goed inzoomen.
Die link naar de overpass api van achivi is mijn analyse of er fouten in je edits zitten. Je kunt het daar goed zien. Klik op een weg en dan zie je wat er dubbel op elkaar ligt.
Je kunt ook zien dat je je grasveld aan de weg hebt geplakt. Dus losmaken.
Goe inzoomen en rustig kijken. 
Het wegvlak van de Ouzevenaarsweg heb je verschoven en aan de wegverbindingsknoop vastgemaakt van je residential .. welk eigenlijk een highway=service zal moeten zinj. 
Fouten maken doet overigens iedereen. ik ook.
danieldegroot2 (2022-05-02 20:13:20+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8019211076/history
"Por lo general, va en bicicleta al trabajo."? Removed in
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/120475666

Do not add subjective/personal/private information, please.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Limitations_on_mapping_private_information

Regards,

Daniel
HansWürstchen (2020-10-19 17:20:29+00:00): Hallo radioFlo,

Du hast an diesem Weg jetzt ein „foot:yes“ gesetzt, die „access“ Attribute beziehen sich jedoch darauf ob etwas betreten, bzw. befahren werden darf, nicht ob es möglich ist, da dieser Weg seit über 25 Jahren gesperrt ist, trifft dies nicht zu.
Es wäre schön wenn Du Dich dazu äußern könntest, warum Du ein seit Jahren etabliertes tagging-Schema, für das ein breiter Konsens gefunden wurde, was die gesperrten und/oder aufgegebenen Wege im Nationalpark angeht, in Frage stellst.
MfG!
eggie (2020-10-18 19:49:17+00:00): Dit gebouw was import vanuit het Kadaster.. Wat was er mee mis? 
Is het gesloopt?
eggie (2020-10-18 19:59:27+00:00): Oke top!  Hier kun je nog zien wat er dubbel ligt.
https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=92667893
eggie (2020-10-18 20:08:29+00:00): Nop.. dat lijkt alleen maar zo. Voor de garage heb je gewoon de weg heen en weer getekend. Schuif maar eens met nodes. (knopen)
eggie (2020-10-18 20:09:14+00:00): de overpass https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=92668139
eggie (2020-10-18 20:19:26+00:00): Oke.. al weer een stuk verder.

OSM bewerken  lijkt zo simpel, maar het is verre van dat... vandaar adt we proberen te helpen.
Je pad... want dat is het nu zit vast aan een wegvlak en niet aan de weg zelf.
Dat kun je hier zien.  https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=92668361

Dus losmaken en verbinden met de hoofdrijbaan.
Het stuk waar je met de auto kunt komen is geen pad. Het is een
highway=service
service=driveway

Up to you!
eggie (2020-10-18 20:20:32+00:00): Het noordelijkste stukje van het pad ligt nog dubbel.. Dus heen en teruggetekend.
eggie (2020-10-18 20:26:54+00:00): Deze waarschuwing zie je staan hierboven
warnings:disconnected_way:highway 	2
Er zitten dus ook nog twee wegen los.
het paadje door de tuin en de oprijlaan met de Oud zevenaarseweg.
Neem de tijd .. het heeft geen haast.  :)
eggie
Frans S (2020-10-22 08:54:01+00:00): Hello. 

Thank you for mapping on this project.
I am sorry to say but your mappings should be more accurate and lacks the finishing touch of squaring them

Most buildings here have a rectangular pattern. Please follow the outlines precisely and square each of them with the Q key in the editor

Here are some tips and hints which might be helpful to improve your mapping skills

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit?usp=sharing
Best regards and keep mapping
eggie (2020-10-18 20:31:22+00:00): Yep .. succes..
eggie (2020-10-18 20:32:57+00:00): Met één kantekening.. Veel mensen zijn er niet content mee dat privewegen op hun terrein worden ingetekend in OSM. Wanneer het je eigen terrein betreft is het natuurlijk geen punt.
muchichka_s (2020-10-18 20:44:52+00:00): The name of this street is "Вашут". It really isn't in honor of the person. But the local community called it so
Indeed, this name needed to be corrected, but not like you
eggie (2020-10-18 21:03:47+00:00): Lijkt me aardig gelukt.
Wanneer de eigenaar geen bezwaar heeft kun je uiteraard gewoon micromappen op een terrein.
Mapse,
eggie
muchichka_s (2020-10-18 20:49:20+00:00): it is not loc_name. it is official_name, table_name, and just name
our communities have the right to name their streets as they wish. Please let us name our streets ourselves!
andrewsh (2020-10-18 20:50:55+00:00): Is it on the street sign?
muchichka_s (2020-10-18 20:52:56+00:00): Yep, sometimes "Вашут" sometimes "Вошут"
andrewsh (2020-10-18 21:02:36+00:00): Ack, updated accordingly.
eggie (2020-10-20 17:35:50+00:00): Dag Fiselier,

Je vraagt om een review.
Wanneer het echt een pad is heb je het goed toegevoegd.

Het is lastig te zien hoe het pad precies loopt. Volgens de BGT omtrekgericht loopt het pad ietsje zuidelijker, maar dat mag 'geen naam' hebben 
MVG,
eggie
eggie (2020-10-20 17:44:50+00:00): Het pad iets opgeschoven   en straatnaam Heidepark gegeven conform BGT.
gr eggie
Frans S (2020-10-21 10:51:15+00:00): Hello. 

Thank you for mapping on this project.
I am sorry to say but your mappings should be more accurate and lacks the finishing touch of squaring them

Most buildings here have a rectangular pattern. Please follow the outlines precisely and square each of them with the Q key in the editor

Here are some tips and hints which might be helpful to improve your mapping skills

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit?usp=sharing
Best regards and keep mapping
trial (2026-07-20 15:13:33+00:00): Pour https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1706920655, on peut ajouter subject:wikidata=Q3262775
Frans S (2020-10-21 10:39:35+00:00): Hello. 

Thank you for mapping on this project.
I am sorry to say but your mappings should be more accurate and lacks the finishing touch of squaring them

Most buildings here have a rectangular pattern. Please follow the outlines precisely and square each of them with the Q key in the editor

Here are some tips and hints which might be helpful to improve your mapping skills

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit?usp=sharing
Best regards and keep mapping
mavl (2020-10-28 16:40:28+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 93184081 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, deleting of existent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/4124].
Gazer75 (2020-10-18 22:23:42+00:00): Did you check wiki before doing N50 imports? This is not the proper way to do this. Please read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Topography_import_for_Norway#Framgangsm.C3.A5te
NKA (2020-10-19 07:25:32+00:00): Please revert your import. It needs to follow the approved import process.

You will need to use the prepared multipolygons which ensures that there will not be overlapping lines between the various natural and landuse features such as wood, wetland, lakes, farmland etc. You also need to run the N50 python script to merge these features.

By the way, forests in Norway are tagged natural=wood, not landuse=forest.

Feel free to consult the community through IRC #osm-no or forum.openstreetmap.org: Norway.
mavl (2020-10-28 16:40:47+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 93184081 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, deleting of existent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/4124].
mavl (2020-10-28 16:40:54+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 93184081 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, deleting of existent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/4124].
mavl (2020-10-28 16:40:37+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 93184081 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, deleting of existent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/4124].
mavl (2020-10-28 16:40:51+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 93184081 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, deleting of existent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/4124].
corfede (2020-10-19 07:53:52+00:00): Ciao Paolo, con bunker cosa intendi? Quei piccoli bunker circolari in cemento che si trovano spesso sulla costa, tipo questi: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/425026525/ ? Grazie, Federico
SomeoneElse_Revert (2020-12-16 05:30:10+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 95910870, 95913025, 95906623, 95909376, 95904727 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some schoolkid 'comedy' editingin Durham.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/4261 for more details.
mavl (2020-10-28 16:40:50+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 93184081 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, deleting of existent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/4124].
mariotomo (2020-10-18 22:47:53+00:00): Hola, gracias por mejorar el mapa, pero por favor no se te olvide que los límites administrativos no los podemos ver de las 'imagery_used': es necesario que menciones la fuente.
Trevor_1 (2020-10-18 22:52:19+00:00): Ok. Lo agregaré
Trevor_1 (2020-10-18 22:53:21+00:00): https://austincc.maps.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=4d96652040fc4320b6ca9b09d1f8df65
mariotomo (2020-10-18 23:26:45+00:00): oops.  are you very sure that we can copy from those maps?  who's the final owner?
mariotomo (2020-10-18 23:28:25+00:00): (I'm in the middle of an update, I can't open the url.)
mariotomo (2020-10-18 23:50:39+00:00): oh, but that's your own project, I didn't mean that, I meant to ask "what's your primary source for the information?"
DENelson83 (2020-10-24 06:24:52+00:00): Are you sure that exit is numbered 7?  An exit 7 should really go between Helmcken and McKenzie on Highway 1.
alester (2020-10-24 14:48:14+00:00): I wondered that myself when I got home and went to add it. I drove past there again yesterday and confirmed that the signage says exit 7, despite that being out of order. I wonder if someone will notice and change the signs eventually.
DENelson83 (2020-10-24 18:30:03+00:00): Yeah, it really should be exit 5.  Maybe contact MOTI or Mainroad South Island Contracting and tell them about it.
DENelson83 (2020-10-31 05:16:25+00:00): I have contacted the South Island District of MoTI and notified the District Manager about this.  He said the McKenzie Interchange contractor may have made a mistake when the sign was ordered.
ScottWalkerAU (2020-10-19 02:26:25+00:00): Hi there! Do those sidewalks you deleted no longer exist? I can still see them on the most recent imagery.
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poiki (2020-10-23 00:54:55+00:00): The sidewalks are still there but I felt it inconsistent with the general appearance (on OSM) of the area. The sidewalks (which I had initially added) gave the impression that they are the only places in Mayfield with them.
ScottWalkerAU (2020-10-23 01:10:34+00:00): Hi! I see you have a relatively low changeset count, so I'll try to provide some constructive feedback.

It's good practice to not delete legitimate data even if it's not complete. Given the physical word is always changing no data can be said to be complete, so having some data is better than no data.
Surrounding suburbs have sidewalk data - so now it reads as if Mayfield has none when it in fact does.
Having the basis of the data there allows it to be extended upon more easily. e.g., if I were to come along and add more sidewalks.
Similarly, you have been adding house outlines but not every house is there, so it gives the impression there are no more houses.
As for the appearance, it's not advised to "tag for the renderer" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer

Not trying to be snide, but instead provide context :)
mariotomo (2020-10-19 00:42:15+00:00): Hi Trevor.  as a source, you should really mention the primary source, on which you based the map you have referred to.  I mean, it's so obvious, you must be joking, or what?
Trevor_1 (2020-10-19 01:04:58+00:00): I'll fix it when I get back home
Trevor_1 (2020-10-19 01:41:07+00:00): Here's the source I'm going to add: 
Map Layer "Panama Corregimientos Boundaries" by "mjss25"
https://austincc.maps.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=339ba1515a264217805efc29ec9d144a
Trevor_1 (2020-10-19 01:41:42+00:00): What do you think?
mariotomo (2020-10-19 14:43:48+00:00): I think it should be more explicit and self-contained, you are now referring me to an external page, if I am to understand what's the source and what's the license.  you should mention it here, or in the object.
mariotomo (2020-10-19 14:49:32+00:00): (did you measure the amount of data I have to download into my browser, in order to open the page? 6.3Megabytes.)
I'm sorry to have to inform you, as it was the case with joserrg12, that you need to revert your imports, because the IGNTG does not let us copy from their maps.
mariotomo (2020-10-19 15:01:58+00:00): actually, you should really delete your map, if you don't want the Tommy Guardia to sue you, by releasing a derivative work (based on theirs) under a free license.
Trevor_1 (2020-10-19 17:23:37+00:00): Ok, I'll delete the map and undo the changes when I get home from work
mariotomo (2020-10-19 17:35:26+00:00): it's a pity! our legal sources are the "gaceta oficial" … we have written about it in the Telegram group.
Trevor_1 (2020-10-19 17:42:49+00:00): Ok. I'll look at that
ralley (2020-10-19 03:44:30+00:00): Welcome to OSM and thanks for your edits.  Can you please use more descriptive changeset comments that describe what your are trying to achieve: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments  Also can you please give a source for this change?
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mavl (2020-10-28 16:40:22+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 93184081 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, deleting of existent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/4124].
mavl (2020-10-28 16:40:25+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 93184081 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, deleting of existent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/4124].
Mateusz Konieczny (2020-11-22 12:18:00+00:00): Czy na tych drogach obwodnicy budowa rzeczywiście ruszyła czy tylko dostali pozwolenie na rozpoczęcie budowy?
Mateusz Konieczny (2020-11-22 12:20:22+00:00): Np. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/860493624

Co do tunelu pod Zielonkami - przywróciłem highway=proposed bo tam budowa na pewno nie ruszyła.

A np. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/860247271/history#map=18/50.11526/19.90987&layers=N nie ma jakichkolwiek śladów budowy w okolicy
krakós (2020-11-24 19:23:42+00:00): Jasne, jeśli uważasz, że proposed jest wciąż bardziej adekwatne, to zmień.
mdelatorre (2020-10-20 01:11:44+00:00): Hello. Thank you for adding information from México to OSM. I reviewed your changeset and determined that can be IMPROVED. To map a house address you need to add other tags. Speacialy building=house. Please check https://bit.ly/35bYR01 and fix it. Have a nice day.
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TravGW (2020-10-19 03:02:24+00:00): Care to explain why you changed several coastlines to buildings? This is a map that many people depend on and is not game. Please do not make fictional edits.
mavl (2020-10-28 16:40:32+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 93184081 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: poor mapping, deleting of existent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/4124].
abakus_uploader (2020-10-19 22:30:52+00:00): (Wiadomość automatyczna)
Cześć!
Otrzymujesz ten komentarz, ponieważ dodałeś lub zmodyfikowałeś adres, który jest niepełny lub błędny.
Adres powinien zawierać minimum trzy znaczniki: addr:city=[nazwa_miejscowosci] + addr:street=[nazwa_ulicy] + addr:housenumber=[numer_porządkowy].
Wyjątkiem są miejscowości bez nazwanych ulic - wtedy stosujemy znaczniki: addr:place=[nazwa_miejscowosci] + addr:housenumber=[numer_porządkowy].
Bez poprawnego oznaczenia adresów, nie będą one brane pod uwagę przez wyszukiwarki, dlatego warto je dostosować do ww. schematu (w zależności od sytuacji).
Więcej informacji na forum: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=5632 - a pytania najlepiej zadawać tu: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=681873
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philippec (2020-10-31 21:15:06+00:00): De manège zou misschien blij zijn met een name te krijgen.