piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
Frans S (2021-10-15 17:08:42+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Your mappings are not in according to the HOT quality standards.
Please pay attention on these points:
A. E and F of following document.
Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
More help information:
View this video's about common New mappers Mistakes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs5wX592E1o&amp;t=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltn1VOiq5_0
More info can be found on https://learnosm.org/en/beginner/id-editor/


Best regards and keep mapping !
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Frans S (2021-10-15 17:07:25+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Your mappings are not in according to the HOT quality standards.
Please pay attention on these points:
A and C listed on following document. 


Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
More help information:
View this video's about common New mappers Mistakes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs5wX592E1o&amp;t=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltn1VOiq5_0
More info can be found on https://learnosm.org/en/beginner/id-editor/


Best regards and keep mapping !
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user_11418917 (2021-10-18 17:08:54+00:00): Why did you change the name of the Arabian Gulf hotel?
hamed alimohammadi (2021-10-19 02:58:24+00:00): Because  the real name is Persian Gulf
user_11418917 (2021-10-19 05:00:18+00:00): The name of what? Its a hotel that named Arabian Gulf. Thats the name of the hotel, why are you changing it? Do you hate the “Arabian gulf” name this much? Don’t change it again.
Ser9ei (2021-10-16 14:21:03+00:00): Не надо засорять карту, пожалуйста! Какая автобусная остановка на острове? В name пишутся исключительно наименования. Откачу.

Либо читайте вики, либо спрашивайте в ТГ-канале сообщества @ruosm, прежде чем добавлять что-либо на карту.
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maraf24 (2022-02-11 14:10:48+00:00): To nie powinno być old_name:de?
Frans S (2021-10-15 17:04:34+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Your mappings are not in according to the HOT quality standards.
Please pay attention on these points:
A , C and E on following document.


Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
More help information:
View this video's about common New mappers Mistakes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs5wX592E1o&amp;t=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltn1VOiq5_0
More info can be found on https://learnosm.org/en/beginner/id-editor/


Best regards and keep mapping !
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woodpeck_repair (2022-03-16 23:19:45+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 118570176 where the changeset comment is: Edits von TheFreeBird auf eigenen Wunsch zurückgesetzt, da unzulässige Quelle verwendet
woodpeck_repair (2022-03-16 23:20:12+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 118570176 where the changeset comment is: Edits von TheFreeBird auf eigenen Wunsch zurückgesetzt, da unzulässige Quelle verwendet
BCNorwich (2021-10-15 18:29:47+00:00): Hi, Welcome to OpenStreetMap.

It has been established that there is a private track here and that it is appropriate to add it to the OSM database.
Communication, regarding the previous deletion of the track, with the OSM Data Working Group spokesperson (SomeoneElse) can be read here:- https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/111764396#map=17/51.83518/-0.78242

Thus I've reinstated the track. 

Regards Bernard.
Frans S (2021-10-15 17:02:10+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Your mappings are not in according to the HOT quality standards.
Please pay attention on these points:
A and E on following document.


Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
More help information:
View this video's about common New mappers Mistakes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs5wX592E1o&amp;t=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltn1VOiq5_0
More info can be found on https://learnosm.org/en/beginner/id-editor/


Best regards and keep mapping !
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woodpeck_repair (2022-03-16 23:19:46+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 118570176 where the changeset comment is: Edits von TheFreeBird auf eigenen Wunsch zurückgesetzt, da unzulässige Quelle verwendet
ZeLonewolf (2021-10-18 03:11:22+00:00): Hi,

Please explain why you've downgraded this section of US-151 from motorway to trunk.
Noobiemapper (2021-10-18 03:21:12+00:00): HI there, I downgraded based off of my understanding that US 151 is an expressway where there are mixed sections of fully-controlled (i.e. freeway/motorway) and partially-controlled (i.e. expressway/trunk). Might this be a misunderstanding?

Is it proper OSM etiquette/protocol to mark any section that is fully controlled (see the sections on US-151 from WIS 175 to Townline Road, and the Waupun bypass) as freeway, and the partially controlled as expressway?

If so, I can go ahead and revert the changes. 

Thanks
ZeLonewolf (2021-10-18 12:30:04+00:00): Unfortunately "it's complicated".  This section of road is currently in the midst of a low-speed edit war with editors changing it back and forth between trunk and motorway. (See: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/646162724/history).

The bottom line is that mappers are changing this road back and forth and not having an open dialogue about what it should be and documenting that consensus.  So just continuing to toggle it back and forth is not particularly helpful to getting the issue solved.

The US community is currently in the midst of developing national and state-by-state guidelines for highway classifications.  That work in progress can be found here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States/Highway_classification

While mappers in 14 states have drafted or implemented these national and state-specific guidelines, nobody has yet to step up and do that for Wisconsin.

The appropriate place to discuss this with the community would be either the talk-us mailing list (https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/) or the OpenStreetMap US Slack (https://slack.openstreetmap.us/) in the #highway-classification or #local-us-midwest channels.

Hope to chat with you soon.
woodpeck_repair (2022-03-16 23:20:17+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 118570176 where the changeset comment is: Edits von TheFreeBird auf eigenen Wunsch zurückgesetzt, da unzulässige Quelle verwendet
woodpeck_repair (2022-03-16 23:19:57+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 118570176 where the changeset comment is: Edits von TheFreeBird auf eigenen Wunsch zurückgesetzt, da unzulässige Quelle verwendet
blackboxlogic (2021-10-23 16:35:52+00:00): You deleted three nodes, changing the shape of way 149972828, which is part of a town boundary between Sanford and North Berwick. Did you change the town line on purpose? If yes, could you please provide a reference for this new shape. If no, could you please undo that part of your change or ask me to undo it for you.
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blackboxlogic (2021-10-27 02:26:07+00:00): Fixed in change 113015360
mueschel (2021-10-19 13:12:04+00:00): Hi, you added a strange 'OSM_BUILDING' tag to 40 buildings. Could you check and fix this?
pewelli (2021-10-19 15:20:43+00:00): Thanks for letting me know. The tags has been removed.
Frans S (2021-10-15 17:00:46+00:00): Thanks for your contribution to this project. 
Reviewed by a validator at random or as requested. 
Your mappings are not in according to the HOT quality standards.
Please pay attention on these points:
A and E on following document


Explanation can be found on this document what  might be helpful to improve your mapping skills
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swwz-ZwM3_YOstqstsmCg1-lNAPbnMLpi1Al-h-2UOQ/edit
More help information:
View this video's about common New mappers Mistakes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs5wX592E1o&amp;t=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltn1VOiq5_0
More info can be found on https://learnosm.org/en/beginner/id-editor/


Best regards and keep mapping !
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ielham (2021-10-15 19:45:07+00:00): solved
axelr (2021-10-18 08:25:02+00:00): In public_transport gibt es kein stop_on_demand. Die ganze route kann auf Anruf fahren oder nach Fahrplan fahren.
p99 (2021-10-20 16:08:04+00:00): Da hast du natürlich vollkommen recht, ich habe *_on_demand von der "VRR-Tagging"-Seite im OSM-Wiki her (oder besser gesagt aus dem darauf verlinkten Modellierungsvorschlag von Mentz). Da das aber ohnehin nicht standardisiert ist bzw. ich sonst in der Praxis nirgends diese Rollen so gesehen habe, wollte ich sie auch schon durch die klassischen wieder ersetzen. Danke trotzdem für deinen Hinweis.
Ser9ei (2021-10-16 14:14:32+00:00): Если у магазина нет название, то достаточно shop=convenience. Уже понятно, что это магазин продуктов. В name пишем только наименование, если оно есть.
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Wilmer Osario (2021-10-19 09:35:18+00:00): Please do not remove the name of the ramps, called "distribuidores", because those are the official and colloquial names that are given to these types of roads in Venezuela. Their names are very important in road navigation in this country.
VigotheCarpathian (2021-10-19 17:11:29+00:00): See changeset: 112666006 for details
jmilot (2021-10-15 19:34:13+00:00): These crosswalks : 
-https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/993098204
- https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/993098210
- https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/993098205

aren't properly connected to sidewalks. 

Also, some aren't properly connected to the roads they cross :
- https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/993098207
- https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/993098208
- https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/993098209

Plus, some crosswalks are just mapped on top of other sidewalks ?!?
- https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/993100276

According to your changeset message, you are doing this for a class. But please, pay a little more attention to your edits. This isn't some class project that is going to be trashed at the end of term. Real people working on real projects rely on the exactitude of this information.
lyctkel (2022-06-24 15:09:04+00:00): Hi RGraefen, 
at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/231931113 you used
"building=transformer_towerLamy du Pain".
Did you mean 
building=transformer_tower?
I changed the building and put "Lamy du Pain" in a note.
Regards,
lyctkel
RGraefen (2022-06-24 19:06:47+00:00): thanks for the hint, it was a copy/paste failure, which I corrected now by deleting the note now being no more necessary. Regards, RGraefen
lyctkel (2022-06-24 19:22:22+00:00): Gern geschehen!
jmsbert (2021-10-15 17:32:03+00:00): source: https://datos-lapalma.opendata.arcgis.com dron_fotogrametria_15102021_11h
Bbase (2021-11-22 15:14:10+00:00): Op basis van onze 360° beelden hebt u een AED kunnen toevoegen op De Riethoek. Veel dank daarvoor.
Ik vraag me af: HOE doet u dat concreet? Mapillary naar OSM-object
philippec (2021-11-22 16:16:50+00:00): https://studio.youtube.com/channel/UC6dB02rA7e8se5YMtYkQ_-A/playlists
Maar nu is het simpeler in Mapillary Explorer foto, rechts Sharing, share.  Rechts de drie puntjes en ID.
Dan de mapillary tag toevoegen.

Als u alles wilt weten : https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=65537
Bbase (2021-11-23 08:36:46+00:00): Mooi. Nog even meegeven dat de verwijzing naar je channel is :
https://WWW.youtube.com/channel/etc... De uitleg daar (taggen in Mapillary) is niet meer mogelijk. De tweede werkwijze werkt wel. Bedankt, Bbase
philippec (2021-11-23 08:51:59+00:00): Ik heb de aanpassingen gedaan in de beschrijving van het filmpje.
Als iemand een gemakkelijke maar krachtige manier weet om tutorials te maken, laat het mij weten, want het was erg moeilijk in OBS.
fabiotofy (2021-10-18 05:54:18+00:00): Ciao, io sulla strada avrei lasciato il nome "Località Campo" visto che la stessa conduce all'ingresso di solo quei numeri civici.
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LB_Manzano (2021-10-18 19:19:13+00:00): Buonasera fabiotofy,
il cartello "Località Campo" si trova poco prima dell'abitazione n°1 sulla strada che sale da Via San Paolino  e va verso nord. Su tale strada ci sono i numeri 1,2,3,4,5 e pure la chiesa "Ex Campo 57". I numeri 7 e 8 sono sulla "S.R. UD 14 bis Variante di Premariacco" e su tale strada non ci sono indicazioni di nomi di alcun genere.  Dare lo stesso nome a 2 strade mi sembra un po' azzardato, per cui, seguendo le indicazioni di https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Addresses#Regole_specifiche_per_l.27Italia ho cambiato i numeri della zona ed inserito  place:hamlet "Località Campo".
Se c'è una possibilità di migliorare ulteriormente rispetto a ciò che ho fatto, ben venga.
Wilmer Osario (2021-10-19 09:33:57+00:00): Please do not remove the name of the ramps, called "distribuidores", because those are the official and colloquial names that are given to these types of roads in Venezuela. Their names are very important in road navigation in this country.
VigotheCarpathian (2021-10-19 17:11:07+00:00): See changeset: 112666006 for details
Syl (2021-10-16 15:33:59+00:00): Hello, I revert this changeset, it had no information in OpenStreetMap.
JeroenvanderGun (2024-06-12 10:34:50+00:00): Ik heb diverse (overheids)bronnen bekeken en geconcludeerd dat de oorspronkelijke straatnamen hoogstwaarschijnlijk toch juist waren: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/152580810
emvee (2024-06-12 19:52:15+00:00): Okay, goed te weten.
Wilmer Osario (2021-10-19 10:14:15+00:00): Please do not remove the name of the ramps, called "distribuidores", because those are the official and colloquial names that are given to these types of roads in Venezuela. Their names are very important in road navigation in this country.
VigotheCarpathian (2021-10-19 17:16:38+00:00): See changeset: 112667609 for details.
DaveF (2021-10-15 20:43:55+00:00): Hi
landuse=grass in not required. It is for specific areas as indicated in the wikipage's first sentence:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dgrass

The landuse of golf features is 'golf' not grass.
To distinguish any differences the 'surface' tag should be used.

golf=* are a specific sport subset of leisure=pitch.
The tag to distinguish it's playing finish is 'surface'
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dpitch

Please don't assume a validator's *suggestion* is valid or correct.

I've flagged it as an error:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8748#issuecomment-940155347
woodpeck_repair (2022-03-16 23:20:00+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 118570176 where the changeset comment is: Edits von TheFreeBird auf eigenen Wunsch zurückgesetzt, da unzulässige Quelle verwendet
DressyPear4 (2021-10-15 21:25:53+00:00): Não há necessidade de deletar uma via e adicionar outra, é só modificar a via existente.
Várias das vias que você adicionou ficaram desconectadas.
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H4N5-antw (2021-10-22 23:23:41+00:00): Waarde, 
La Garenne ziet er merkwaardig leeg uit, gegeven dat het vooral een bosgebied betreft; 
viewon OSM https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/105480841 version 13 geeft info " fietspaden Sint-Maria-ten-Boslei /  Edited 7 days ago by JanFi · Changeset #112553934  Part of 1 relation     Relation La Garenne (6643940) (as outer) "
Op 't eerste gezicht is er geen verband tussen die fietspaden en het bosgebied, toch ontbreekt nu 'invulling met boompjes behang' van het gebied : kunt u bij gelegenheid kijken of iets ... ? 
Met overigens vriendelijke groet,
JanFi (2021-10-23 10:39:07+00:00): Woeps: goed dat je het zegt. Ik had het bos van het natuurgebied gescheiden omdat niet heel dat gebied bos is, en was dan het bos zelfvergeten  in te tekenen. Zou hersteld moeten zijn.
andrewsuzuki (2022-07-28 03:27:14+00:00): Hi, thanks for adding surfaces. I noticed you added surface=gravel to a lot of tracks in Meshomaic. Do you know if these tracks would more accurately be described as surface=compacted? The history of surface=gravel is a little complicated (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dgravel), previously meaning only large chunky gravel, but as of last year accepted to mean any size gravel. Anyway, from aerial it looks like a classic compacted road -- hard dirt road with some small loose gravel on top -- which would be the more accurate tag if it fits. Let me know, I can change them or you can. Thanks!
tghaas (2022-08-08 14:15:12+00:00): I'd say this still fits the description of gravel. Most of it is compacted but there is larger golf ball size gravel, washout or just plain potholed up. I wouldn't take a road bike out there.
andrewsuzuki (2022-08-08 14:41:49+00:00): I just did a 30mi ride in Meshomasic yesterday and yeah it's tricky. Paved roads for example, even if they get super beat up with pot holes and washboard, should still be tagged as paved, but with an additional smoothness=bad or similar tag (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness). Similarly, according to the wiki surface=compacted is basically synonymous with macadam construction, which the main roads in Meshomasic are, and when it degrades it should remain compacted (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dcompacted) -- up until  it becomes only gravel, but I think it's still a fair ways from that. On a gravel bike those roads are still quite easy, but "pure" gravel using the original osm definition would be kinda tricky on any bike as the tires are never in contact with a steady surface
woodpeck (2022-04-28 13:18:50+00:00): @BCNorwich, @Vormond, could one of you at some point in the near future perhaps double-check that this path and this gate accurately reflect the situation on the ground (possibly also upload a photo of potential signage somewhere)? The DWG has received a complaint asserting that this path does not exist. (DWG Ticket#2022042810000131)
Vormond (2022-04-28 13:38:54+00:00): I'll try and take a picture this weekend but when I was last there a few months ago it did exist but is not open to the public.
BCNorwich (2022-04-29 18:22:54+00:00): Hi, 
I base my opinion that a highway exists by the changeset comment by TrueMapper on :- https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/111778180 they say about this deletion  "This private driveway services a single private property". On this basis I assume that the track/driveway exists and is known to exist by the person wishing to delete it.
Vormond (2022-05-02 09:24:47+00:00): I went there today and took these photos: https://imgur.com/a/oogpSvX

The gate was open (the first time I've ever seen it open), but I didn't go beyond it as it is clearly marked as private.
woodpeck (2022-05-15 21:43:26+00:00): Thank you, that should settle things once and for all, hopefully.
Mordechai23 (2021-10-15 19:16:12+00:00): i nie dostałeś powiadomienia, że zrobiłeś budynek w budynku? ;) uważaj bardziej - building=yes jest na obrysie całej budowli, ty dodałeś go jeszcze na building:part w środku
qaz789 (2021-10-16 19:29:57+00:00): głowy nie dam, ale wydaje mi się że nie było powiadomienia, zmylił mnie znacznik zabytkowy budynek
DressyPear4 (2021-10-15 21:09:40+00:00): Olá, nomes não devem ser copiados do google, nem ser adicionados de forma abreviada.
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cserpell (2021-10-15 19:42:01+00:00): Hola BraixenAxl,

Primero que todo, bienvenido a OpenStreetMap, somos una comunidad de personas que edita el mapa para intentar tener los mejores datos geográficos posibles.

Vi que estás editando diversas cosas en la zona de Teniente Serrano en Quilpué y quería contarte algunas cosas que pueden ayudarte:

- Al marcar zonas y edificios, como te has dado cuenta, a veces se ven "corridos" con respecto a la foto satelital mostrada. Eso pasa porque cada foto está ligeramente desalineada, dependiendo de la foto que uses verás las calles corridas de distinta manera. En vez de corregir cada elemento todo el rato, puedes mover la foto para alinearla con los datos ya agregados al mapa. A la derecha en el menú "configuración del fondo", verás que puedes cambiar la foto y moverla al final donde dice "desplazamiento de las imágenes". Con eso verás los elementos del mapa alineados con la foto y así los nuevos elementos que agregues quedarán alineados con los que ya hay.

- Las zonas que has agregado en su mayoría las has agregado como residenciales. Puede ver que hay distintos tipos de zonas, como se menciona aquí: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Uso_del_suelo . Por ejemplo, la feria y esas canchas probablemente no son zonas residenciales, por lo que no hay que marcarlas así.

- Esa página que te envié es la wiki del proyecto, donde la comunidad ha ido plasmando acuerdos de cómo mapear distintos elementos, es la principal guía de cómo mapear, te invito a explorarla y consultarla cuando tengas dudas.

- Existe una comunidad chilena en la que puedes participar, para compartir experiencias, consultar dudas y hablar de temas relacionados con OpenStreetMap: telegram @OSMcl , y la lista de correos, página de facebook y twitter que aparecen aquí: https://openstreetmap.cl/

¡Saludos!
SekeRob (2021-10-15 18:55:52+00:00): Time to yank ESRI clarity as a trace mapping base, it's expired. Nature and farming has far moved on, many newer buildings missing in the set.
Luzandro (2021-10-23 06:05:16+00:00): Hallo,

ich habe ein paar Korrekturen an diesem Changeset vorgenommen.

Du hast einige Punkte als "Wendestelle" markiert, aber gleichzeitig noch entsprechende Wege für eine Wendeschleife angelegt. Beides zusammen ergibt keinen Sinn, eine punktförmige Wendestelle wird bspw. für so einen Fall verwendet:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4339589793
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:highway=turning%20circle?uselang=de

Der korrekte Straßentyp für die von dir eingezeichnete Schleife ist auch nicht highway=unclassified (im iD-Editor "Nebenstraße"), sondern - so wie auch der bestehende Weg - highway=service (im iD-Editor "Zufahrtsweg"). Siehe dazu: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:highway%3Dunclassified#Abgrenzung_von_highway.3Dunclassified_und_highway.3Dservice_und_highway.3Dtrack_tracktype.3Dgrade1

Noch wichtiger ist allerdings, dass du hier etliche Wege überlagert hast, so war die Wendeschleife eine zusätzliche Straße über der Malzstraße, genauso wie im östlichen Teil die Straße weiterhin vorhanden war und zusätzlich ein Gehweg UND ein Radweg direkt darüber überlagert waren. Hier müsste der Weg aufgetrennt werden und EINE passende Kategorie zugewiesen werden. Du solltest auch eine entsprechende Warnung vom Editor dazu bekommen haben.

LG Andreas
Fransee (2021-10-24 07:12:34+00:00): Hallo Andreas
Danke für die Berichtigung und Tipps. Ist doch nicht ganz einfach für einen Anfänger. Mit meinen 62 Jahren habe aber wieder etwas entdeckt zum Lernen und Üben.