piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
JesseFTW (2022-05-31 02:23:09+00:00): Where did you find this MapRoulette task, and how did you make this changeset without using a normal editor (like JOSM, or iD, etc.)?
Hanif Al Husaini (2022-06-09 00:23:26+00:00): I found this by browsing through MapRoulette challenges map and found this task: https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/13848
The challenge allows you to click Yes if the proposed changes (adding etymology) is correct and that automatically adds it to OSM without using a standard editor.
JesseFTW (2022-06-09 00:44:10+00:00): Thanks, that's very helpful!
eggie (2022-05-24 12:26:47+00:00): Merged info with addressnode..
Greetz,
eggie
Nadzeya_ (2022-05-25 12:26:35+00:00): changed road classification based on user feedback and bing imagery
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SomeoneElse_Revert (2022-06-23 18:46:08+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 122771129 where the changeset comment is: Following a reported to the DWG, undoing an odd name change in Poland
jeis_BKG (2022-05-25 09:37:00+00:00): Hallo sylviasei_BKG,
bitte bei Schulgebäuden das Tagging building=school auch beibehalten, wenn es auf einem Schulgelände mit amenity=school steht.
Ich habe es korrigiert, viele Grüße,
jeis_BKG
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Msiipola (2022-05-24 12:29:17+00:00): Service-väg, och inte unclassfied
Msiipola (2022-05-24 12:28:14+00:00): Hej! Småvägar till bosättningar klassas som "service" och inte som "unclassfied".
I osmwiki finns detta beskrivet
HansWesterback (2022-06-02 14:45:27+00:00): Please! Om du lägger till nya avsnitt till en befintlig väg, så måste du stava den på samma sätt som den ursprungliga! Dvs om den heter Bergslagsvägen så måste du sätta exakt det namnet på den nya, inte BERGSLAGSVÄGEN! Det finns applikationer som hämtar data från OSM som inte kan hantera olika stavning, och då betraktar detta som två olika gator. Ser att du gjort samma sak på flera vägar, Voltavägen m fl
giggls (2022-09-12 17:44:26+00:00): Moin,

du hast den jüngsten Edit hier gemacht. Deshalb hänge ich mich mal mit meinem Kommentar an Deinen Changeset ran.

Ich habe gerade damit begonnen Campingplätze die fragwürdig getaggt sind zu reparieren und hier ist das so.

Siehe auch:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/giggls/diary/399920

und https://opencampingmap.org/#18/50.53994/8.37867/1/1/bef

Da ist ein äußerer Platz der zwei innere umfasst. So kann das niemals sein.

Der äußere Platz ist:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25273277

Wie sieht die Realität aus?
Sebastian Reinschmidt (2022-09-13 06:35:10+00:00): Hallo,

Danke für Deine Anmerkung.
Das Gelände des äußeren Platzes umfasst drei verschiedene Anbieter und beschreibt das komplette Gelände. Der Platz von Lahntours ist der rechte, Krumos Zeltplatz und der Zeltplatz Lahnblick sind jeweils eigenständige Plätze. Ich bin neu auf OSM und noch nicht so fit mit der Technik - wie kann ich das lösen?
giggls (2022-09-13 07:17:57+00:00): Dann solltest du den äußeren Platz (Lahntours) so ändern dass er nur noch dessen Fläche erfasst.und nicht mehr das ganze Gelände.

Wenn die Toiletten von allen dreien verwendet werden kann man das gegebenenfalls über eine Site Relation lösen.
Gomwalk (2022-05-28 07:58:49+00:00): #GlobalYouthmappers
#YouthMappersuniversityofJoschapter2022
SpatialXplora (2022-05-28 07:29:19+00:00): #GlobalYouthmappers

#YouthMappersuniversityofjoschapter2022
Lejun (2022-05-25 07:40:31+00:00): Autant je peux bien croire pour le chemin, autant je pense pas que le cours d’eau souterrain ai été affecté – ou bien c’est une sacrée clôture –, je rouvre la vanne.
Baptiste VERON (2022-05-25 14:28:19+00:00): Oui parfait, c'est une erreur de ma part je m'en suis aperçu mais je ne savais pas comment rectifier. Juste le chemin supprimé c'est conforme, merci !
Lejun (2022-05-25 17:41:00+00:00): Hésite pas à l’avenir, tu peux me contacter si t’as la moindre question. J’ai pas mal de temps libre et beaucoup trop de motivation en ce moment.
jeis_BKG (2022-05-25 09:57:45+00:00): Hallo ekis_BKG,
ich habe den Straßennamen mal korrigiert/ausgeschrieben (Bitte keine Abkürzungen bei den Werten verwenden (Z.B. Str.)).
Danke für's Mappen, viele Grüße,
jeis_BKG
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ekis_BKG (2022-05-25 11:24:50+00:00): Danke für den Hinweis, jeis_BKG. Alles klar: keine Abkürzungen.
Viele Grüße
ekis_BKG
abakus_uploader (2022-05-24 22:31:04+00:00): (Wiadomość automatyczna)
Cześć!
Otrzymujesz ten komentarz, ponieważ dodałeś lub zmodyfikowałeś adres, który jest niepełny lub błędny.
Adres powinien zawierać minimum trzy znaczniki: addr:city=[nazwa_miejscowosci] + addr:street=[nazwa_ulicy] + addr:housenumber=[numer_porządkowy].
Wyjątkiem są miejscowości bez nazwanych ulic - wtedy stosujemy znaczniki: addr:place=[nazwa_miejscowosci] + addr:housenumber=[numer_porządkowy].
Bez poprawnego oznaczenia adresów, nie będą one brane pod uwagę przez wyszukiwarki, dlatego warto je dostosować do ww. schematu (w zależności od sytuacji).
Więcej informacji na forum: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=5632 - a pytania najlepiej zadawać tu: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=681873
Pozdrawiamy!
derloris (2025-07-01 14:02:55+00:00): Danke für die Mühe, aber das Bürgersolarkraftwerk dort existiert schon länger nicht mehr und war daher bereits im März 2022 aus OSM entfernt worden: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3047279
https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4833429
LG
user_10241830 (2022-05-24 19:17:03+00:00): Hallo,

ein typographischer Bindestrich (–) in der Telefonnummer wird nicht als solcher erkannt; die Telefonnummer funktioniert dann nicht.

Vermutlich ist dieser Bindestrich durch Kopieren von der Webseite in die Telefonnummer gekommen. Es ist deshalb besser, die Telefonnummer abzutippen und nicht zu kopieren, um solche Fehler zu vermeiden.
jeis_BKG (2022-05-25 10:09:04+00:00): Bitte auch bei der E-Mail-Adresse das (at) durch @ ersetzen. Danke für's Schulmappen!
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jeis_BKG (2022-05-25 10:15:03+00:00): Hallo masse_BKG, da es sich um ein Schulgebäude handelt, sollte es auch mit building=school getaggt werden. Ich habe das korrigiert. Viele Grüße, jeis_BKG
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SekeRob (2022-05-25 09:03:23+00:00): Hi,

Your challenge went bust. The building does not show on the map because you left it with a self intersection. I've fixed it for you. ALWAYS verify if something shows up on the map a few minutes after saving. If not, check why that might be.

ciao
ququruzka (2022-05-29 10:43:32+00:00): добрий день. 

будь ласка, не використовуйте російьскі назви для name=*. 
name= і name:uk= повині співпадати на всій території України.
Lejun (2022-05-25 10:25:04+00:00): Merci de l’information. En général pour les itinéraires il faut penser à couper les tronçons pour qu’ils se suivent correctement sans coupure, c’est pas forcément évident sous iD, je m’en suis chargé.
Lejun (2022-05-25 10:07:00+00:00): Pourquoi pas, par curiosité t’as utilisé quelle source pour faire le tracer ?
Bastowl (2022-05-25 11:56:39+00:00): Je travaille actuellement sur un aménagement sur le secteur. 
C'est avec les données que l'on m'a transmises, combinées avec l'expérience ski.
Lejun (2022-05-25 17:45:00+00:00): Classe. Un jour on aura accès à de l’imagerie aérienne en saison hivernale ça va nous changer la vie.
Bastowl (2022-06-01 21:37:36+00:00): C'est clair.
Mais on devrait pas tarder à avoir une topographie digne de ce nom (au Lidar). Ca permettra de visualiser pas mal de choses.
jeis_BKG (2022-05-25 11:51:52+00:00): Hi masse_BKG, auch wenn dem Gebäude amenity=school zugeordnet wurde, bitte zusätzlich mit buidling=school taggen. Danke und Grüße, jeis_BKG
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jeis_BKG (2022-05-25 11:57:57+00:00): Hallo chen_BKG, ich habe das Gebäude von building=school auf building=civic zurückgesetzt, da in dem Haus neben der Schule auch das Rathaus untergebracht ist. Die Ergänzungen bei dem Schul-Node waren korrekt. Ganz vielen Dank für's Mappen der Schulen! Viele Grüße, jeis_BKG
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WoSoe (2022-05-25 04:06:32+00:00): Wenn man getrennte Fuß-/Radwege neben einer Straße einzeichnet, dann muss man diese auch entsprechend an die kreuzenden Straßen anbinden.

Ansonsten passiert so etwas beim Routing:
https://brouter.m11n.de/#map=18/49.43353/10.97114/standard&lonlats=10.971597,49.43332;10.97163,49.433701&profile=trekking

Betrifft auch Falkenstraße, Adlerstraße, Langenäckerstraße
jeslop (2022-05-24 15:44:18+00:00): Hola Altay523, bienvenido a OSM. ¿Qué has querido representar aquí? Te recomiendo leer https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Gu%C3%ADa_de_principiantes para hacerte una primera idea.

En el PNOA no figuran los nombres de los edificios ni demás elementos del mapa, por lo que debes especificar de donde sale ese nombre. Por otro lado, si el acceso a la wlan es del centro de arte, debes incluirlo allí. ¿Esos datos son públicos? De no ser así, debes borrarlos.

Saludos.

Jesús López
OpenStreetMap Foundation
Data Working Group
SomeoneElse (2022-05-24 13:07:18+00:00): ,,, and a route marker on a waymarked route near Ampleforth
mikko_tamura (2022-05-24 14:44:49+00:00): please use name=* title is not a tag in osm
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Pradeep Gyawali (2022-05-24 15:26:11+00:00): I will be more careful next time. Being a beginner, sometimes I get confused.
jeis_BKG (2022-05-25 12:06:18+00:00): Hi masse_BKG, wenn die Schule nicht mehr als solche genutzt wird, dann bitte Präfix disused verwenden, nicht einen eigenen disused-Tag; also: amenity=school => disused:amenity=school; den name-Tag bitte in old_name ändern und disused=yes streichen, danke, jeis_BKG
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jeis_BKG (2022-05-25 13:05:55+00:00): Hallo joko_BKG, bitte nicht Tags selber entwickeln, sondern disused nur als Präfix verwenden. Wenn eine Schule nicht mehr in Benutzung ist, folgendermaßen vorgehen: amenity=school => disused:amenity=school, name-Tag zu old_name ändern, den Wert dort lassen, disused=yes löschen; danke und Gruß, jeis_BKG
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joko_BKG (2022-05-25 13:22:35+00:00): danke, ist gemacht
jeis_BKG (2022-05-25 13:26:04+00:00): Sehr gut, so sieht es korrekt aus.
Aleksey Gorelikov (2022-05-24 13:22:44+00:00): https://www.rijkswaterstaat.nl/wegen/wegenoverzicht/a58
A67-A67 (2022-05-24 18:34:00+00:00): The motorway has double numbering A27, A58 between Knooppunt Galder and Knooppunt Sint-Annabosch.

See for example: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=51.5204987&lng=4.74558812&z=17&pKey=435757481199353&focus=photo

Therefore the ref-tag was correct.
A67-A67 (2022-05-24 18:34:58+00:00): I've restored the route numbers.
Aleksey Gorelikov (2022-05-26 08:41:52+00:00): Hi! Thank you for correcting that.
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jeis_BKG (2022-05-25 13:24:17+00:00): Hallo masse_BKG, das Gebäude enthält einen Kindergarten, daher war der tag building=kindergarten korrekt, diesen bitte wieder so herstellen. An der Fläche war amenity=kindergarten korrekt getaggt (Value nicht groß schreiben). Bevor Änderungen in der Schreibweise vorgenommen werden, bitte im OSM-Wiki den Tag prüfen, z.B.: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:building%3Dkindergarten
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Lokai (2022-06-13 05:19:38+00:00): Hallo,

Hausnummer bitte an das Gebäude des Kindergartens. Was ist mit der Pumpstation?

Gruß

L.
masse_VermKV (2022-06-13 05:38:53+00:00): Hallo Lokai,
ich bin deinen Verbesserungsvorschlägen nachgekommen.
Grüße
jeis_BKG (2022-06-13 06:04:23+00:00): Hallo Lokai und masse_BKG,
die Frage ist, ob die Pumpstation nicht unter der selben Adresse zu finden ist, wie der Kindergarten, bzw. ob sie auf dem Kindergartengelände steht (dann sollten Straße und Hn an das Gelände gehängt werden, oder?). Müsste man vor Ort prüfen. Ich setze mal eine Note.
CurlingMan13 (2023-02-23 05:41:08+00:00): Please do not add paths on top of paths.  This causes issues with the map.

The vandalism has since been reverted and fixed.
Ginger Lover (2023-02-23 10:16:20+00:00): I love the term "vandalism" :)
mikko_tamura (2022-05-24 14:54:35+00:00): square your buildings
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Minh Nguyen (2022-10-08 22:23:27+00:00): Hi, this changeset and others such as 119657559 introduced errors rather than fixing them. Vine St. has two more lanes than you may have recognized in street-level imagery – these can be parking lanes during some times of the day, but these are the exception rather than the rule. Also, the intersection of 5th and Vine has two more lanes, as shown by overhead signs and pavement markings. Finally, these changesets connected the roadway to bridges and tunnels, creating impossible routes. These issues have been fixed in changeset 127223264.

Several downtown Cincinnati intersections, including 5th and Vine, are staggered and therefore have unusual turn lane arrows. There isn’t an established tag for these arrows, so slight_right is the most compatible option at the moment: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:turn#Unusual_arrows

The intersection is correct now, but I’d welcome advice on how to keep it from generating a false positive in validation tools such as the one you’re using.
YuliyaShustava_lyft (2022-10-10 14:14:06+00:00): Hi Minh Nguyen!

The purpose of my edits was to remove the extra road since the road marking has been changed and there is no barrier on West Fifth Street near the intersection. In the changeset 121425257 I wanted to make the road smoother. I’m genuinely sorry for missing roads’ levels while remodeling. Many thanks for pointing this out and fixing my mistake.

As for the lanes count on West Fifth Street (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/56880450),
we have a proprietary street level imagery dated September 2022:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k3RL0Kiq41ZgoU7ELaZU_jxbMAcUQO0f/view?usp=sharing.

The arrow for the most right lane is really unusual. So I have decided not to add a specific turn value for it. Taking into account the road geometry, “sligth_right” is an appropriate value. In my opinion, the "through" value is also a valid option, since we are moving along the same road with a slight curvature.

This is proprietary street level imagery dated August 2022 for the part of Vine Street  (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/207549674) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DHwBiDddv0f6i_1D5YIm07YsdHFXAPJK/view?usp=sharing.

I would change lanes count to 3 and turn:lanes to “left|left;slight_right|slight_right” on West Fifth Street and lanes count to 3 for Vine Street based on provided images, unless you have any other more fresh evidence.

Regarding our validation tool, it has inaccuracies and unfortunately at the moment it is difficult to avoid finding false positive segments. I’ll make sure that my team is informed about these intersection features, parking lanes, especially about an unusual arrow. Thank you for your contribution and your intention to help. We really appreciate it.

Best regards,
Yuliya
Minh Nguyen (2022-10-10 17:53:14+00:00): Thanks for the details, I stand corrected. This is very recent construction. Lately I’ve been feeling confident about the Bing Streetside imagery in the area, which is current to last year, but this construction is even too new for that. Among the publicly available layers, some road construction is apparent in Esri, but I didn’t realize that led to a road diet.

I realize you’re normally unable to share the proprietary imagery as you’ve done here (thanks!). But perhaps when you’re making a change that’s very new and only available in this proprietary imagery, you could note its age in the changeset comment. This would give another mapper like me a heads-up that you know more than I do. :-)

I restored your suggested tags in changeset 127316900. Thank you for patiently explaining the situation to me!

By the way, I’ve also introduced lane connectivity relations to this intersection, since some lanes before the intersection lead to two lanes after the intersection. This isn’t always required, but as you’re updating lane counts, if you see any lane connectivity relations, it would be great if you could keep them up-to-date also. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:connectivity
YuliyaShustava_lyft (2022-10-11 16:46:29+00:00): Thank you for reverting the changes and for your suggestions! Our sources allow us to improve the OSM with fresh data. Of course, this makes it harder for other mappers to check the map after Lyft edits. So that, we add information in the comments according to what source the edits were made. We check all the evidence, those that are in OSM and our own. And the Lyft OSM team makes edits based on the most recent data. Quite often it is property sources. Most of Lyft’s street level imageres are less than six months old. Of course, a note with the date of our sources would help to better understand the relevance of the data in OSM than the mention of the type of the source. Unfortunately, taking into account the volume of edits, it is difficult for us to organize the addition of the evidence’s date in our comments. We will think about how we can fix this. As for now we are ready to provide Lyft’s evidence in any controversial issues.

Regarding lane connectivity relations, we definitely will check them while updating lanes and turn:lanes tags, as any lane change can make the lane connectivity value incorrect. My team has been updated about this, based on your comment.

Thank you for your contribution:)


Best regards,
Yuliya
MxxCon (2022-05-25 02:31:43+00:00): Thank you for fixing these. 🙂
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M!dgard (2023-10-02 10:27:05+00:00): Hello,
Please don't remove the operator tag. And please don't disconnect the submarine cables from the substation. (This may have happened due to clicking a misleading "fix issue" button in iD.)
Thanks and happy mapping
Oriol Raventós (2023-10-04 15:14:57+00:00): Sorry. I didn't ment to remove the operator tag. Maybe is what you say. I'll be more careful next time. Best regards.
woodpeck_repair (2022-06-06 13:27:30+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 122019759 where the changeset comment is: repair un-explained deletions in Moldova (DWG ticket #2022060610000169)
eggie (2022-05-24 15:50:01+00:00): Dat is mooi...  Ik heb de rest van de construction verwijderd. 
Dus construction=residential hoort er dan niet meer op.
Gr eggie
eggie (2022-05-24 15:52:54+00:00): Aanvraag BAG import loopt via het forum van OSM.. 
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=863487#p863487
nyampire (2022-05-27 22:20:56+00:00): OSMへようこそ！ 編集をレビューしました。
とても良く描けていると思います。ぜひこれからも、マッピングを続けてください！
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mikko_tamura (2022-05-24 14:52:59+00:00): please tag your schools as school grounds not buildings
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imronade (2022-05-25 00:55:24+00:00): already tag as school grounds
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eggie (2022-05-24 14:58:59+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privebericht. 


Feedback... Tip  Probeer bedrijven op de adresnode bij te taggen. Dus geen adresnodes aanmaken.
Van de benzinepomp heb je een vending_machine gemaakt.
Dat is een wat ongebruikelijke tagging voor een benzinepomp. 


MVG, 

Eggie 

Namens de OSM Community
eggie (2022-05-24 15:02:16+00:00): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine

en

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dfuel

Voor  het bedrijf ook de aard van het bedrijf invullen.. Alleen een naam doet niets.

Kijk je nog even?

MVG
eggie
Nico_van_Losser (2022-05-24 15:05:23+00:00): Hoi Eggie, ik heb geen ambitie om dit verder vervolg te geven. Het betrof slechts een test.
Bedankt!
eggie (2022-05-24 15:28:46+00:00): Oke..... maar kloppen je toevoegingen wel.. ? Ook een test komt daadwerkelijk op de kaart.
Mvg
Eggie
eggie (2022-05-24 15:43:53+00:00): Tagging aangepast
mikko_tamura (2022-05-24 14:41:04+00:00): you could merge this already. No need to map point and polygon. THanks
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easbar (2022-10-28 17:58:17+00:00): This turn restriction seemed fine before this changeset: `restriction:hgv=no_left_turn` means 'no left turns for hgv'. Why did you add an extra 'restriction' with a list of 'except' transportation modes?
mcliquid (2022-10-28 18:08:11+00:00): I've just added the TR the other way around to get both taggings. Is the tagging now wrong in your opinion?
easbar (2022-10-28 18:16:06+00:00): I'm not sure, does 
restriction:hgv=no_left_turn
mean the same as 
restriction=no_left_turn
except=bicycle;moped;motorcar;psv
?
That depends on which transportation modes there 'are'. Is all minus bicycle;moped;motorcar;psv the same as hgv? And what would be the advantage of the second scheme, i.e. why use the except list when restriction:hgv already expresses what we need?
Also this kind of tagging seems very rare. This overpass query: `relation["restriction"]["restriction:hgv"];` only yields 14 (!) matches. IMO using restriction + restriction:xyz should be avoided, or at least I am trying to find out if there is any reason to use it.
easbar (2022-10-28 18:21:25+00:00): I see BRouter does not understand restriction:xyz: http://brouter.de/brouter/suspect_scanning_readme.txt, GraphHopper understands it only since 2019. Anyway we shouldn't tag for (a specific) router, so that wouldn't be a good reason to use both schemes, especially because it doesn't really help as there are very many restrictions that only use restriction:hgv anyway.
mcliquid (2022-10-28 18:24:41+00:00): What is harmful about the double execution?
easbar (2022-10-28 18:29:46+00:00): I see two (possible) disadvantages:

1) there is room for ambiguity, like what if the value of the restriction tag is 'no_left_turn' and the one for restriction:xyz is 'no_right_turn'? Yes this example is contrived, but if only one scheme is used this problem doesn't even come up.

2) using two schemes on a single restriction is just more complicated than using one, so it is harder to understand (for both humans and computer programs)

Now, I may ask the inverse question: What is the advantage of using both schemes at once?
easbar (2022-10-28 18:33:30+00:00): What makes the second scheme particularly unclear is that it doesn't seem to be defined what the 'complete' except list is. If you start excluding stuff when your intention is that only hgv remains you'd need to know what are all the possible values of the except tag (I even asked this here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relation:restriction#Possible_values_for_the_except_key), but again using (only) restriction:hgv, this problem doesn't even occur.