piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
viloan (2019-08-24 01:06:15+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt
Se você está mapeando por causa do jogo do Harry Potter, as dicas e explicações na página anterior também são úteis para você.

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
viloan (2019-08-24 01:10:36+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt
Se você está mapeando por causa do jogo do Harry Potter, as dicas e explicações na página anterior também são úteis para você.

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
rivermont (2019-08-24 14:04:25+00:00): Hi,
Can you point me to the import page for this? I can't seem to find it.
Thanks
dekatherm (2019-11-20 11:31:22+00:00): Please reply or we'll have to remove the data.
SomeoneElse (2019-11-21 18:29:37+00:00): For info, the DWG have received a complaint about this import and have asked the user to get in touch with us.  See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3276 .  If they don't, we'll revert the problem changes.
Best Regards,
Andy Townsend,
On behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.
they (2019-11-21 19:51:27+00:00): These changes are imported from the USGS woodland tint database.  See https://www.sciencebase.gov/catalog/item/5b6fa9fbe4b0f5d57878e755 .  As a work of the United Stated Federal Government, these data are in the public domain.  I did not make an import page for this changeset; I didn't know I needed to.  Aside from documentation (in the wiki, presumably), is there anyone else I need approval from to keep this change, and do future imports?

Thanks,

Andrew
SomeoneElse (2019-11-22 19:36:52+00:00): There's information in the wiki at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import .  Specifically, the import guidelines at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines describe the process you need to follow.  Some of that is still relevant - for example https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Step_1_-_Prerequisites etc.  I'd suggest discussing the import with the local community as described there.
SomeoneElse (2019-11-22 19:42:12+00:00): One more thing - the report that the DWG received included "It is not of very high quality anyway, very inaccurate at high zoom levels".  Just to take one area at random, the shape of https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/717794002 doesn't seem to match any underlying tree cover under any of the available imagery that I can see.  Typically in this situation we'd reject the import as being simply inaccurate.
Can you point to anywhere where the import is accurate?
SomeoneElse (2019-11-29 13:58:44+00:00): @they Any more comments about this (or links to discussion with the community etc.)?  If not it looks like we'll have to revert this.
mavl (2019-11-16 18:00:15+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 77162861, 77164108, 77168783, 77165597, 77167134, 77158548, 77170414, 77161342 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: an incompatible source - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3257].
korolenok (2019-08-26 12:31:19+00:00): Hi, Mert Altay! Here is Inappropriate applying of leisure=garden. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden
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            Published using OSMCha: https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/73687422
mavl (2019-11-16 17:59:49+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 77162861, 77164108, 77168783, 77165597, 77167134, 77158548, 77170414, 77161342 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: an incompatible source - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3257].
Allison P (2021-04-04 05:26:30+00:00): Check the lanes tag on https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/717816014
maxolasersquad (2021-04-05 14:56:45+00:00): This has been fixed.
notmyproblem1 (2025-07-19 15:21:32+00:00): Bonjour, comment se fait-il que vous appeliez le nom du lieu en français si nous sommes en Italie ? merci beaucoup. beaucop merci
xrt (2025-07-21 12:01:41+00:00): Bonjour notmyproblem1 , grazie per avermi scritto in francese. 
Sembra strano che il nome di un albero sia scritto in francese nel bel mezzo del villaggio! Era una magnifica grande quercia conosciuta da tutti. La strada vicina aveva rimosso una delle sue radici, che serviva da sostegno, e un forte temporale è stato fatale.
Quindi in Italia si usa la stessa parola che in latino. Lo correggerò.
Cordiali saluti

Tradotto con DeepL.com (versione gratuita)
user_5359 (2019-08-24 05:05:41+00:00): Welcome to OSM! For a better description of your object please read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtownhall
viloan (2019-08-24 04:53:29+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt
Se você está mapeando por causa do jogo do Harry Potter, as dicas e explicações na página anterior também são úteis para você.

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
mbethke (2019-08-26 07:55:15+00:00): Hi,
that way with a "surface" tag doesn't really make sense. I suppose it should have been waterway=stream, but inside the lake (landuse=reservoir, reservoir_type=water_storage would probably be better for man-made catchments) that's also not really clear.

cheers,
Matthias
viloan (2019-08-24 05:02:06+00:00): Bem-vindo(a) ao OpenStreetMap e parabéns pela sua primeira edição! :-)

Temos um portal brasileiro sobre o OpenStreetMap, com várias informações úteis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brasil

Enquanto você está se acostumando com o OpenStreetMap, é recomendado que sempre pergunte aos usuários mais experientes antes de remover ou modificar objetos do mapa, especialmente aqueles que são aparentemente "estranhos" ou "fora do lugar".

Além disso, pedimos que não copie dados de mapas proprietários (como nomes de ruas do Google Maps, por exemplo) e que mapeie apenas o que existe na realidade.

Se você está mapeando por causa do Pokémon, dê uma olhada em https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/12/01/dicas-para-novos-mapeadores-pokemon-go/?lang=pt-pt
Se você está mapeando por causa do jogo do Harry Potter, as dicas e explicações na página anterior também são úteis para você.

Se tiver qualquer tipo de dúvida você pode entrar em contato com a comunidade brasileira através de algum dos canais disponíveis em https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt:Contact
O canal "Comunidade" do Telegram costuma ser o mais movimentado.

Abraço e boa diversão com suas edições!
mavl (2019-08-27 16:33:26+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:35:25+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:35:28+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:34:04+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:34:16+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:33:25+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
Aleksa M (2019-08-25 13:53:29+00:00): U redu je preslovljavanje, to i treba da se radi, ali malo pazi kad to radiš, da se ne bi dešavale stvari kao https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5053504755 Споменик цару Николају ИИ
mpele (2019-08-25 20:21:38+00:00): ;)
luschi (2019-08-24 12:53:00+00:00): Hallo,

wieso änderst du hier `bicycle=designated` auf `yes`?
Dies ist ein MTB Trail der ausschließlich mit dem Fahrrad/MTB befahren werden darf.     
Vor Ort steht bestimmt ein Schild, welches die Strecke als MTB Trail ausweist und somit ist ein `designated` durchaus gerechtfertigt.

In der Englischen Wiki steht dazu:     
The designated value, when used with a mode of transport key, indicates that a route has been specially designated (typically by a government) for use by a particular mode (or modes) of transport.

`bicycle=designated` heißt nicht, dass man, wenn man von der Alm runter fährt diesen Trail verwenden muss!

lg
softcake (2019-08-24 20:38:53+00:00): Hallo luschi,

es befinden sich natürlich entsprechende Hinweisschilder an der Strecke. 

Soweit mir bekannt ist, bedeutet ein 'designated' in diesem Fall... 
"Dieser Schlüssel gibt an, dass ein Weg oder eine Straße für eine bestimmte Verkehrsart rechtsverbindlich vorgesehen ist. Üblicherweise bedeutet dies, dass der Weg rechtlich gewidmet und mit entsprechenden Vorschriftszeichen ausgeschildert ist."
Als Vorschriftszeichen habe ich z.B. das Zeichen DE:237 vorausgesetzt. Die gibt es dort oben nicht.

Ein 'bicycle=designated' würde meiner Meinung nach die Strecken einem gewöhnlichen Radweg gleichsetzen.
Die Strecken sind alle als Routen eingetragen und außerdem durch ein foot=no sauber von den Wanderwegen getrennt.
Andererseits wurden Strecken in anderen Bike-Parts tatsächlich mit einem 'designated' versehen, was widerrum Dir recht geben würde.

Bin nicht so ganz überzeugt, aber wenn es generell so eingetragen wird, dann kann ich es gerne wieder ändern.

Gruß, Thomas
luschi (2019-08-25 00:05:57+00:00): In der deutschen Wiki steht, dass der Weg dann rechtsverbindlich verwendet werden muss, was aus meiner Sicht falsch übersetzt ist.      
In der englischen Wiki steht so viel wie, dass der Weg dann speziell für das Fahrzeug oder die Beförderungsart ausgebaut sein muss, was von der Gemeide/Stadt/Tourismusverein oder Sportverein gemacht werden kann.

In DE muss z.B. ein Radweg der parallel zur Straße verläuft verwendet werden und es ist verboten auf der Straße zu fahren.     
Dabei wird dann aber bicycle=official und nicht bicycle=designated verwendet.

Ich verstehe das so, dass designated so viel wie "für Fahrrad ausgebaut, beschildert und erlaubt" heißt und official "verpflichtend für Fahrrad und dafür ausgebaut und beschildert".

lg
softcake (2019-08-25 17:58:57+00:00): Hallo, 

ich habe noch etwas recherchiert. In der Beschreibung von "Mountain Biking" ist in der Tat "designated" aufgeführt: (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Mountain_biking#Tagging_von_Wegeigenschaften_die_nicht_nur_fuer_Mountainbiker_interessant_sind)

Gebe mich geschlagen ;)

Gruß
mavl (2019-08-27 16:34:54+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:34:52+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:34:19+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:34:40+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:33:48+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:34:20+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:35:41+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:34:31+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:33:16+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:34:58+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
sabas88 (2019-08-24 08:07:13+00:00): Ciao,
non è la stessa di questo nodo?
Non essendo in via maddaloni mi viene questo dubbio
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3488880882
mascalzone67 (2019-08-24 17:04:18+00:00): Gentilissimo, si tratta di un ufficio differente. Hai ragione sulla colocazione, ma l'ho messo lì per distinguerlo dall'altro ufficio (territorio). Comunque sistemalo pure senza problemi. Ciao.
LeTopographeFou (2020-04-28 22:31:08+00:00): Hi Christine_E, you tagged several buildings on Conant Street putting the house number into the name tag. They should go in 'addr:housenumber' and not in 'name'. I fixed them in changeset 84294139 . Thank you for checking your other changesets in case you made the same mistake.
Carnildo (2019-08-25 20:24:30+00:00): As a general rule, driveways should be tagged as driveways rather than tracks even if they're unpaved.
mavl (2019-08-27 16:33:31+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
azalizh (2019-08-30 16:22:56+00:00): OW Familijni Pogorzelica to nie jest otwarta zielona przestrzeń do ogólnej rekreacji, tylko teren prywatny zajmowany przez ludzi, tymczasowo tam mieszkających (Land where people reside). recreation_ground to błąd

https://pogorzelica.familijni.com/noclegi
maraf24 (2019-08-30 21:31:36+00:00): Tu jest mapa: https://pogorzelica.familijni.com/o-osrodku/mapa
Jak widać, jest to teren do ogólnej rekreacji. 
A poza tym jest to teren, gdzie mieszkają ludzie.
Oba oznaczenia są prawidłowe, pytanie, które zastosowanie przeważa.
maraf24 (2019-09-02 17:51:59+00:00): Przypomniała mi się dyskusja na forum i na liście tagging tego problemu - jaki landuse dla hoteli, pensjonatów, ośrodków. Pomysły były różne i niczego do końca nie ustalono.
Część proponowała residential dla takiego terenu i jest to często spotykane i sam stosuję. Problem się robi, gdy na takim terenie jest różna aktywność - np. hotel, restauracja, place zabaw, centrum konferencyjne itp. Zdaniem częśći wówczas lepiej dać inne landuse, np. commercial.
A w takim przypadku jak tutaj pojawiła się propozycja stosowanie leisure=restort, i to chyba jest popularne w Rosji. Ich strona to opisująca ma wiele ciekawych podtypów, jak np. sanatorium czy baza obozowa.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Tag:leisure%3Dresort
azalizh (2019-09-02 18:56:36+00:00): Rozmawiałem już na ten temat z taxi301. Na forum jest wątek https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=13888
gdzie negatywnie oceniono zaznaczanie ośrodków wypoczynkowych jako commercial. commercial to teren Zabudowy biurowo-handlowo-usługowej. Widać ludzie po prostu pracują tu w biurach, zakładach usługowych lub handlu (obszar szeroko komercyjny-mieszany). Wiki w landuse określa residential jako “Land where people reside” oraz “For “Mixed-Use” areas where more than half of the land is residential, tag as residential.”. Więc jak dla mnie residential lub też widziałbym leisure=resort, ale ono się nie renderuje niestety. No ale commercial to teren typowo biurowo-handlowo-usługowej, a w konferencje obejmują mniejszą część usług w bardzo dużych hotelach. Dominująca funkcja to funkcja przebywania ludzi tj. ich tymczasowego mieszkania. Teren rekreacyjny na ośrodkach wczasowych jest już wystarczająco określony poprzez boiska,  place zabaw itp. a nie są to funkcje dominujące.
maraf24 (2019-09-02 19:30:27+00:00): Z taxi301 też miałem na ten temat dyskusję, właśnie przy hotelu z dodatkowymi przybytkami.
Tutaj oczywiście commercial nie pasuje, idealny byłby właśnie leisure=resort. 
Wówczas nawet landuse=residential mogłoby być jako drugi tag i zapewniać rendering. Mi to jaki rozwiązanie odpowiada.
mavl (2019-08-27 16:35:21+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:33:58+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
mavl (2019-08-27 16:35:23+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
aharvey (2019-08-25 07:08:01+00:00): reverted see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spam#SEO_Spam
mavl (2019-08-27 16:33:54+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
*abq* (2020-05-12 04:11:15+00:00): Hallo Mosch,
du hast hier MTB aus dem Namen gelöscht, und das nur in einigen Abschnitten. Da Betretungsregeln nicht in allen Karten angezeigt werden, ist es sehr sinnvoll, MTB im Name tag zu behalten, um klar zu machen, dass das kein Fußweg ist. Also, bitte füge es wieder ein.
VG Reiner
n76 (2019-08-24 17:04:22+00:00): Based on the state of La Pata it looks like Mapbox has newer imagery in this area than Bing. (Bing still shows the construction baracades while Mapbox shows the now current (by my survey) dual carriageway and line striping.)

Based on your edit attribution and the imagery, it looks like you used Bing. But the apparently newer Mapbox imagery shows quite a different road and parking around where you put a circular unclassified road.

Question: Have you done a on-site survey to see which imagery is (more) correct?
Fluffy89502 (2019-08-25 02:15:23+00:00): I was using bing and no I havn't done the survey but thank you for bringing this up to my attention and I'll make sure to check it out :)
mavl (2019-08-27 16:35:39+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 73806070 where the changeset comment is: The changesets are reverted [DWG has the request to revert the changesets. Reason: nonexistent objects - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3130].
glglgl (2019-08-26 11:03:09+00:00): [Node 363995341](https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/363995341) liegt nun *in* einem Haus. Das sollte glaube ich nicht so sein. Dadurch kam es auch zur Selbstüberschneidung von PLZ-Bereichen.
Kannst du da nochmal schauen? Gerne kann ich die Rückverschiebung an die alte Stelle auch übernehmen.
glglgl (2019-08-26 11:12:47+00:00): https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5098350993 wurde ebenfalls verschoben, wodurch eine weitere Selbstüberlappung ausgelöst wurde.

Sind diese beide Änderungen gesichert und betreffen sie auch die PLZ-Bereiche? Falls nicht, müsste man an der Stelle die Grenzverläufe voneinander lösen.

Beide Verschiebungen betragen übrigens jeweils weniger als 5 m.