piebro/osm-data huggingface dataset:
flother (2021-07-01 10:53:02+00:00): Hi,

Thanks for all your hard work updating the road tagging recently.

I know that Vegagerðin classify Njarðargata / Þorragata (road nr. 414) as a primary road / stofnvegur, but I think this is a case where their categorisation doesn't match up with OpenStreetMap's.

The OSM wiki says a primary one is a "major highway linking large towns". The international equivalence page says that Iceland uses highway=primary for roads with a two-digit number, and highway=secondary for roads with a three-digit number.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dprimary
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence

Because of that documentation I went ahead and recategorised Njarðargata and Þorragata as a secondary highway in changeset 107255050.

I hope you'll agree, but any feedback welcome. Thanks again for your recent changes.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/107255050
Tómas Ingi (2021-07-01 11:27:20+00:00): Hi,

That's fine by me. In fact, it's always kind of bugged me that Njarðargata was labelled primary - this changeset made the tagging more consistent, seeing as it makes little sense to have Njarðargata primary and Eiðsgrandi secondary, but I think it's also a good solution to have them both secondary.

It's important to keep in mind that the number of digits in a national highway's number is a remnant dating back to when the highway numbering system was first created - this means that some three-digit (and even a few four-digit) highways have become more important in later years, and I believe that Vegagerðin's classification into the different categories (S/Sx/T/L/H) is of more relevance today. In this regard, I believe that the wiki page may need to be updated.

As for the Capital region, I agree that the classification should be based more on the road's importance - for example, Sundagarðar and Holtavegur are primary roads according to Vegagerðin, but act more like secondary roads. Similarly, Álftanesvegur used to be a primary national highway, but is no longer a part of the national network - still, it remains an important connection, and so has little reason to be changed to anything else.

Thanks for the feedback, and happy mapping!
Tómas Ingi (2021-07-01 12:25:26+00:00): Hello again,

I just noticed that you only changed Njarðargata - I think that's a good solution; just wanted to clarify since the phrasing of my previous comment might be a bit misleading (I mistakenly thought you changed Eiðsgrandi as well).
flother (2021-07-01 12:46:14+00:00): Yeah, I didn't want to change Eiðsgrandi because I can see an argument for it being either primary or secondary, and I don't have a strong opinion either way. I mean, it does technically connect two towns, even if they're contiguous.

I agree with you on your other points. It'd be nice, too, if we could somehow squeeze Vegagerðin's distinction between primary roads and primary highland roads into OSM's tagging. But I'm not sure that there's any obvious tags for that.
Lee Carré (2021-07-02 17:39:27+00:00): Some of these are not building=house. See (for example) way #959722227 & changeset #107217607.

I didn't manage to survey the row on the northern side (Grosvenor Street), but while they do look residential, they're not necessarily a house (at least some appear to be closer to apartments or possibly semi-detached).

If tagged as simply building=yes then StreetComplete surveyors will see a quest prompting them to specify the building type.
If, like in this changeset, the building type is already set, then the SC quest is skipped without the possibility of changing the type (within SC; a more generic editor is required).
CjMalone (2021-07-02 20:20:47+00:00): Fair enough. The northern row looks like a typical English terrace where 99% are houses, and the odd one is apartments. I lack the local knowledge for Jersey to make that assumption, so I'll be stronger on the building=yes here in future.

The source tags on way 959722227 are excessive. OSM is (kinda) moving away from sources on objects, changesets are a better home for them.
Peace Moni (2021-07-03 11:04:15+00:00): 1233
ابوعلی سینا (2021-06-30 10:06:12+00:00): Hi mbranco,

why are changing these residential landuses, most of them mapped by yourself before?
mbranco2 (2021-06-30 15:16:32+00:00): Hi,
I'm doing a final check of my mapping, and I did minor changes about the geometries  of residential landuse. 
If you have doubts about some specific change, feel free to contact me.
Martin Borsje (2021-06-30 18:29:38+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privébericht.
Martin Borsje (2021-06-30 18:36:52+00:00): Hallo, ik heb je wijziging door name=home op het huis te zetten teruggedraaid.
Het huis heeft niet als naam home en zo kan iedereen wel 'home' op zijn eigen huis gaan mappen.
user_10518203 (2021-06-30 19:15:09+00:00): Oeps, was niet duidelijk in m'n software dat het ging om een publieke bewerking, ik dacht dat het slechts een lokale tag was.
Martin Borsje (2021-06-30 19:20:01+00:00): Dan weet je het nu :)
maraf24 (2021-10-13 16:45:44+00:00): Wycofane.
MKnight (2022-01-03 09:44:02+00:00): Rückgängig gemacht in #115701956
Martin Borsje (2021-06-30 18:29:11+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privébericht.
Martin Borsje (2021-06-30 18:34:41+00:00): Ziet er goed uit. Dank je!
Leo Slager (2021-07-01 11:18:54+00:00): Dag jw,
Je vraagt om een review:
De access tag behoren ook op de highway gezet te worden. Dan pas worden ze ook gebruikt in de navigatie-apps.
access=no
emergency=yes
Deze twee lijken mij voldoende.
Ik pas het even aan.
◪ Jarv (2021-06-30 10:39:42+00:00): Is the phone number you added correct? It doesn't match the one on the website.
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newtoncoldfield (2021-06-30 11:28:54+00:00): Yes, it doesn't match but it is also correct. Thank you!
Dimacn (2021-07-03 18:26:08+00:00): Пожалуйста не присоединяйте точки дороги к границе населённого пункта. Вот эта точка - https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8879748492 Пожалуйста исправьте.
aseidel (2021-06-30 12:14:18+00:00): Bitte die fahrradbezogenen Angaben entfernen und an die Nebenlinie (baulich getrennter Radweg) übertragen. Änderungssatzkommentare bitte aussagekräftig gestalten. Danke! A. Seidel
rainerU (2021-06-30 12:38:45+00:00): Hallo,
Du hast einen Abschnitt der Lehrer Straße in Jungingen von maxspeed=20 auf maxspeed=50 gesetzt. Das ist aus meiner Sicht nicht ganz korrekt. Wie man auf diesem Foto https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=158748666123512 sehen kann, beginnt die Zone-20 bereits etwa 25m vor der Einmündung in die Albstraße. Das Foto ist zwar vom August 2020, aber als ich vor einigen Wochen dort vorbei gekommen bin, stand das Schild immer noch da. 

Grüße
Rainer
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sanull (2021-06-30 13:12:42+00:00): Hallo Rainer, 
der Abschnitt der auf 20 km/h reduziert war, ist ca 50 m lang. Das 20er Schild steht ca. 10-15 m vor der Einmündung in die Albstraße. Das Bild habe ich gesehen uns ist sehr unglücklich und verzerrt aufgenommen. Ich fahre Jeden Tag da vorbei. Es wurde auch von der Gemeinde Jungingen so angestrebt, dass die 20 Zone mit Einfahrt in die Albstraße beginnt. Die Lehrer Straße ist noch keine 20er Zone.
Grüße, Sandra
aixbrick (2021-06-30 12:23:35+00:00): Hallo und willkommen bei OSM,
Schlaglöcher werden nicht in OSM erfasst. Bitte informiere dich, was OSM ist: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Willkommen_bei_OpenStreetMap. Ich habe deine beiden Changesets rückgängig gemacht, da du auch noch andere Daten (wahrscheinlich versehentlich) verändert hast: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/107205715.
Gruß
timmito (2021-06-30 17:12:23+00:00): Hallo Stubenkater, handelt es sich bei der Linie https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/959731890 um einen Weg?
Taunusklub | Stubenkaterin (2021-07-01 05:59:09+00:00): Hallo timmito,

ja, das handelt es sich. Leider habe ich noch nie Wege erstellt oder gelöscht & mußte gestern feststellen, dass ich es nicht richtig gemacht habe.

Zum Nachsehen, wie es richtig ist, war jedoch keine Zeit mehr. 

Es sind noch mehr "Striche" keine Wege geworden & Wege nicht gelöscht wurden. Da muss ich mich erst einfuchsen. 

LG Stubenkater
Taunusklub | Stubenkaterin (2021-09-09 12:21:37+00:00): Hallo timmito,

wird der Weg jetzt richtig dargestellt. Es ist ein unbefestigter Weg.
timmito (2021-09-09 14:39:18+00:00): Hallo Stubenkater,

sieht gut aus. Nur das vehicle=no sieht etwas komsich aus, damit wäre dort auch Fahrradfahren verboten.
Taunusklub | Stubenkaterin (2021-09-09 14:46:06+00:00): Ah, gut. Dann ändere ich das noch. Danke für Deine Unterstützung.
eteb3 (2021-06-30 10:58:45+00:00): Source for this edit is note 2734751 which, though anonymous, appeared a few minutes after I posted to the discussion on note 2366381, posted by Jacks1131. Jacks1131 appears to have created a login only in order to post that note. Presume novice user, presume note 2734751 was his(?) response to my comments on 2366381. Presume local landowner.
Martin Borsje (2021-06-30 18:28:47+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privébericht.
Apanatshka (2021-07-01 13:02:43+00:00): Bedankt Martin. Ik heb je privébericht ontvangen.
SGorskiy (2021-07-01 05:13:25+00:00): Исторические названия нужно отмечать с помощью тега old_name. Пример формата: old_name:ru:1925-1961=Сталинград 

Смена фактического name на что-то другое будет воспринята как вандализм. Правки будут отменены, а пользователь забанен.

Пожалуйста, следуйте принятым правилам.
iWowik (2021-07-02 10:24:23+00:00): Есть еще вариант проще
name:ru:1925-1961=Сталинград 

Только вот причем тут ручей?
iey6Om7C (2021-07-02 15:19:18+00:00): Откатил: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/107318087
DD1GJ (2021-07-01 09:13:28+00:00): Revert, unsachgemäße Änderung. Der Weg war bereits mit bicycle=no gekennzeichnet
DD1GJ (2021-07-01 09:13:14+00:00): Revert, unsachgemäße Änderung. Der Weg war bereits mit bicycle=no gekennzeichnet
DD1GJ (2021-07-01 09:12:55+00:00): Revert, unsachgemäße Änderung. Der Weg war bereits mit bicycle=no gekennzeichnet
ivanbranco (2021-09-18 19:43:34+00:00): Ciao Marty5550,

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8879971228

ti sembrano toni da utilizzare in un progetto collaborativo? Inoltre quale tag intendevi esattamente per "Gymnasium"? Tra l'altro l'affermazione è falsa in quanto su iD puoi aggiungere qualunque tag tu voglia (anche inventati di sana pianta, per dire), non devi seguire per forza i preset. Basta aprire il menu "Etichette (n)" e aggiungere il tag manualmente.

Inoltre ti rinnovo l'invito a scrivere commenti ai changeset che facciano capire che modifiche hai fatto, qua per esempio avresti potuto scrivere "Aggiunto edifici, attraversamenti pedonali e una palestra".

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/837054708/history

In Italia non aggiungiamo i tag addr:*=* agli edifici. Tantomeno senza addr:housenumber=* 

Vedi: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Addresses#Regole_specifiche_per_l.27Italia 

in particolare: "NON bisogna aggiungere le informazioni di indirizzo a edifici, siti o altre tipologie di aree."
Martin Borsje (2021-06-30 18:28:21+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privébericht.
dvdhoven (2021-06-30 14:22:53+00:00): Over rwn route 0-10:
Een fixme=incomplete moet je niet gaan wijzigen. Dan ontstaan er allerlei foutmeldingen in knooppuntnet.nl.
fixme=incomplete wil zeggen dat de route onvolledig is en apart behandeld moet worden.
Een opmerking kun je in de tag remark= kwijt.
Ik heb het aangepast, zodat de route weer op incomplete staat.

Vriendelijke groeten,
Dick van den Hoven
Herrieman (2021-06-30 14:26:47+00:00): Hi Dick,
Bedankt! Het was niet mijn bedoeling om de fixme=incomplete weg te halen. Waarom ik dat toch wel (per ongeluk) heb gedaan, weet ik niet.
Groeten,
Herrieman
dvdhoven (2021-06-30 14:55:20+00:00): Hallo Herrieman,

Je hebt hem ook niet weg gehaald, maar de tekst incomplete vervangen door jouw tekst.
Ik heb dus de incomplete terug gezet en jouw tekst in een remark gezet.

Vriendelijke groeten,
Dick van den Hoven
Kovoschiz (2021-06-30 15:46:09+00:00): Can't you change it to what it is now, instead of deleting?
Kovoschiz (2021-06-30 15:46:44+00:00): Not only the shape, but you also removed the address
SomeoneElse_Revert (2022-03-01 18:40:36+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 117961003, 117970393, 117965218, 117980733 where the changeset comment is: Following a complaint about invalid edits, and a lack of decent reply (see https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=414659 , https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Max_Kritic/blocks ) reverting changesets where _only_ osmose was used.
ivanbranco (2021-07-13 15:31:25+00:00): Ciao Cortix, 

i nomi delle strade erano corretti prima, come da convenzione della community italiana:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Editing_Standards_and_Conventions#Nomi_delle_strade
Cortix (2021-07-13 15:53:47+00:00): Ok, per che motivo si è giunti a questa decisione?
ivanbranco (2021-07-13 16:00:24+00:00): Per uniformare i dati allineandosi alle direttive ISTAT presumo, da qualche parte nella mailing list ci sarà la discussione.
riysingh (2021-06-30 12:27:30+00:00): Hi,
I have made the edits in this changeset : 107205798 based on Driver feedback.

Regards,
riysingh.
pitfire (2021-07-02 06:53:39+00:00): Bitte die Tel.Nr. im OSM Format eintragen. DE:Key:phone.
phone=+<Landesvorwahl> <Bereichsvorwahl> <Rufnummer>, entsprechend ITU-T E.123 und DIN 5008
os-emmer (2021-07-02 12:39:56+00:00): Danke für die Info, ist korrigiert
whatmeinfallible (2021-09-08 19:02:58+00:00): Greetings,
The source you cite does not show ref information and the state highway map https://www.putevi-srbije.rs/images/pdf/referentni-sistem/Karta_drzavnih_puteva.pdf disagrees with your edit, showing that highway 100 runs through the center of Stari Žednik. I am going to reapply ref=100 to way 875413258. If you have any source of information indicating that this ref is incorrect, please let me know. Thank you.
grelus (2021-07-01 05:49:20+00:00): cześć. Jechałem dziś o 7.30 do pracy. Zmiany nie są wprowadzone. Wszystko po staremu.
Sanniu (2021-11-10 08:51:28+00:00): HI

Ways https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/959764313, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/959764312, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/959764315, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/959763498, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/959763647, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/959764133#map=19/29.56551/34.95021, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/959764133, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/959764191 have no tags. Can you, please, tag them?
Martin Borsje (2021-06-30 18:27:55+00:00): Welkom bij OpenStreetMap. Ik heb een uitgebreid welkomstbericht met wat handige tips en links gestuurd als privébericht.
Rom1 (2021-06-30 18:02:23+00:00): Annulé et je signale le contributeur.
Rom1 (2021-06-30 18:02:38+00:00): Annulé et je signale le contributeur.
ovruni (2021-06-30 14:39:26+00:00): Hola, gracias por contribuir a OSM. La etiqueta de nombre se encuentra destinada solamente para los objetos que tienen un nombre en particular, no para agregar descripciones. [0]
Procedo a retirar todos los nombres que ha agregado.
Si tiene alguna duda sobre como mapear, puede hacerla por el canal de telegram https://t.me/osmpe o la lista de correos de la comunidad de OSM en Perú https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pe
Saludos
[0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Nombres#Los_nombres_no_son_para_descripciones
Futur3r (2021-06-30 21:06:28+00:00): Hi,

like I said in another comment, don't put "by [...]" in the name, you can put the name of your company under the tag operator=*.

Thanks
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Ferrocarriles de México (2023-09-06 20:28:37+00:00): Esto no es "railway=subway". Esa etiqueta es solo para las vías.
DressyPear4 (2021-06-30 19:25:28+00:00): Por favor não insista novamente,
qualquer praça adicionada nesses locais será removida.
SylvieLoki (2021-07-01 12:31:24+00:00): Vai arranjar um trabalho de verdade, fica aí perdendo tempo trabalhando de graça pra uma empresa multibilionaria, eu so ligo pro meu jogo mesmo
DressyPear4 (2021-07-01 15:03:50+00:00): Estava pensando em pedir o bloqueio de seu usuário, mas suas contribuições com edificação são bem vindas.
Modere nos parques, evite grudar as áreas nas vias. Bom mapeamento!
SylvieLoki (2021-07-02 13:15:56+00:00): Peço desculpas por ontem, eu estava sendo imaturo, só vou mapear corretamente a partir de agora!
Futur3r (2021-06-30 20:50:42+00:00): Salut,

je t'ai déjà laissé un commentaire au sujet des adresses. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/106099594

Il faut mettre les tags addr:* sur un nœud et le placer au niveau de la plaque ou de l'accès principal ... mais dans le doute, tu peux les laisser au milieu du bâtiment.

C'est important pour faire la maintenance derrière et facilité le traitement avec les outils bano.

Merci.
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Cactooz (2021-07-08 20:13:05+00:00): Please add a description of what you have changed/added, especially when you do these big edits. Otherwise, we don't know what has been changed.
Skinfaxi (2022-04-13 09:01:08+00:00): jag har samma problem. jag hittade några vägbitar som avviker väldigt mycket från lantmäteriets data och jag vet inte hur Du kom fram till det. Är det survei vill jag naturligtvis inte förstöra något. Åt andra sidan verkar det vara otroligt att väger gå mitt i vattnet.
tekim (2021-06-30 16:31:27+00:00): Hi BubbaJuice, 
Thanks for all of the edits.

It would be really helpful if you could constrain the geographic extent of each changeset to a smaller area, such as several neighbourhoods.

What is the source of your changes? Given the wide geographic dispersion of your edits, it is unlikely that you surveyed these all in person.  Some of the changes you made, such as tactile_paving, cannot be made from satellite imagery.
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BubbaJuice (2021-07-01 00:45:22+00:00): Hey tekim,
I am on a road trip so that it how I surveyed all of the locations I edited. I use the app StreetComplete which is a surveying app for OpenStreetMap data. All of the edited locations have been manually checked by me, in person. As for the large bounding box of the changeset I wish I could have made it smaller but the app does not have that when uploading data. For more information on the app you can read their wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete

Thanks.
tekim (2021-07-01 14:27:15+00:00): Hi BubbaJuice,
Thanks for your considerate reply.  How exciting to be on a road trip like you are! Thanks for making the effort to make edits to OSM along the way.  It is very unfortunate that StreetComplete doesn't allow you to close and upload a changeset when you are done editing in a certain area.  Some tools for finding changesets work off of the changeset bounding box, so a geographically large changeset makes it look like changes were made in areas where that is not the case.  I will try to raise this issue with the developers.

Again, thanks for the edits, and safe travels!
aweech (2021-06-30 17:06:13+00:00): Hi,
In OpenStreetMap, we expand abbreviations in street names and addresses. For example, a street name that is abbreviated as "Coyote Gulch Ct", is expanded to "Coyote Gulch Court". Also, most buildings have 90° angles. The editor you were using has a tool to help create these neat angles. When you have a building selected, press the "q" key, and the corners will become squared. Or you can right click on the building and press the button to square corners.
aweech (2021-06-30 17:11:14+00:00): Hi,
In OpenStreetMap, we separate the house number and street names in addresses. So for this address, the house number of 75 goes in the number field, and the street name of 2nd East goes in the street field. Because this address has a directional prefix, the expanded version of that goes in the street field as well, for a totally expanded street name of "South 200 East". Also, when you are creating area features that are the size of one building, you should add building tags to that feature.
wireguy (2021-06-30 16:43:26+00:00): hi MauiMacMan, welcome to osm.  Looks like you accidently dragged a node.   Can you look at it and correct it?
user_5359 (2021-06-30 18:22:39+00:00): Welcome to OSM! Please be careful when editing the map data. You moved the node https://www.osm.org/node/8219354521/history over 100 meters, so there were problems with the corresponding way. I have moved the point back to its original position.
aweech (2021-06-30 17:13:35+00:00): Hi,
This business has several small buildings in it, not one big building. Businesses that span several buildings are better off being represented as a node.
borovac (2024-06-12 09:20:09+00:00): Hi 

This way (way/959785568) looks like a yard, not an alley.

Can you check again if this road should be an alley or a footway?

All the best Milan (borovac)
_Madfly (2024-06-28 09:46:50+00:00): Hi, I've changed it to a footpath.
manojkmohan (2021-06-30 19:48:09+00:00): wrong tags, wetlands as buildings. and points crossing with silver line railway
manojkmohan (2021-06-30 19:55:00+00:00): Corrected https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/107226338
SomeoneElse_Revert (2022-03-01 18:40:13+00:00): This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changesets 117961003, 117970393, 117965218, 117980733 where the changeset comment is: Following a complaint about invalid edits, and a lack of decent reply (see https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=414659 , https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Max_Kritic/blocks ) reverting changesets where _only_ osmose was used.
Futur3r (2021-06-30 21:05:08+00:00): Hi,

the tags addr:* are not useful.

You have forgotten the tag tourism=chalet to describe the object, all of these information "don't work" if there is no description tag.

Don't put "chalet" in the name as the description tag tourism=chalet tell it already. Also don't put your brand like "by [...]" in the name, you can put the name of your company under the tag operator=*.

Thanks
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Futur3r (2021-06-30 21:07:48+00:00): Oh and also, put all of theses info on a node.

It's better for other contributors.
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literan (2021-06-30 16:34:00+00:00): highway=pedestrian это тег для пешеходных улиц (как Арбат).

Для обычных пешеходных дорожек его применять не следует. Поправлю здесь
kirillmukhin (2021-06-30 18:21:30+00:00): Насчет линейных, дорожек — согласен, спасибо за правку!

Но с area:highway=footway на площади я не совсем согласен: судя по вики это тег для очерчивания границ линейного пути. А для площадей предлагают использовать highway=footway + area=yes.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:area:highway%3Dfootway
literan (2021-06-30 19:19:09+00:00): но тогда для площадей вам нужно снести линии дорожек, проходящие через нее, т.к. hw=* + area=yes - для "routable highway area on which the dedicated traffic can route omnidirectionally". Правда, таких роутеров пока не изобрели, но если мапить этим способом, то нужно идти до конца :)

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:area:highway#Differentiation_area:highway_vs._area.3Dyes_on_a_highway
kirillmukhin (2021-06-30 19:35:04+00:00): Touché
literan (2021-07-01 08:03:16+00:00): ээээ... что?)
Hungerburg (2022-05-03 21:20:21+00:00): Hallo Nestrius, Wer hat den Weg vom Wasserberg zum Törl aufgegeben? Wegen Steinschlag "gesperrt" ist der AV 218 vom Törl zu den Herrenhäusern. Ich weiß wovon ich red, ich war bei der Knappenkapelle als eine ein Meter Durchmesser Steinkugel unweit eingeschlagen hat..