It still has to be verified. [SEP] We shouldn't be trusting Kim Jung Il, but if you look at the kinds of progress we've made in terms of them being willing to stand down on their nuclear program through diplomacy and dialogue-and I will say, by the way, Chris Hill, the envoy from, from our side is, is one of the best diplomats out there-and you compare it to the lack of progress, in fact, the acceleration of their nuclear efforts during those years when the Bush administration was unwilling to talk to them, it's night and day.
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