Awen daɣ idas imasăɣran daɣ academia šund Dalibor Vesely meɣ Alberto-Perez Gomez d daɣ iwityan hin okaynen tasidik n teɣare n musnat ten tassohat s farak n taqqimt n addinat n aw mirda tan eynaynen ( E.G Jeffrey Kipnis meɣ Sandford Kwinter)