6139

Stubbs is 0 for his last 10 with 3 blunders......hopefully he gets on base a couple times, steals a couple and scores a couple runs to make Dusty look good.

This is an ideal place for Bronson to pitch. I would expect an excellent outing.

I doubt that Baker even knows that Frazier played 1B in the minors (72 games).   
  
But he certainly does know that the ebb tides of Rolen and Cairo need PA to seek their true levels.

Anybody know why Valdez hasn't played in a week? I haven't heard anything.

Anybody know why Valdez hasn't played in a week? I haven't heard anything.  
  
Cozart must not need a day off this week....Stubbs and Rolen are back so everybody loses playing time but them.

Hola, mofos!

At least it doesn't sound too bad with Votto

Cozart and Stubbs need to show the eff up with Votto out. If they don't, we won't score much.

Cozart and Stubbs need to show the eff up with Votto out. If they don't, we won't score much.  
  
Phillips and Bruce need to fill in the void IMO. Phillips going oppo and Bruce spraying line drives.

On pace for a 27 pitch CG no hitter for Vogelsong

Cozart goes after a slightly high 1st pitch for a weak fly out.

Phillips and Bruce need to fill in the void IMO. Phillips going oppo and Bruce spraying line drives.  
  
Tough to fill in that gap when nobody get on ahead of you.

At least Stubbs and Phillips got him into a double digit PC.  
  
Barry Bonds walking down the stairs to be seated in the backround was pretty cool.

Tough to fill in that gap when nobody get on ahead of you.  
  
??? They need to get on themselves, can't control anything else.

Cairo stays with it. It looked touch-and-go for a second there.

??? They need to get on themselves, can't control anything else.  
  
So they can be left stranded? Votto is what makes this offense go. Without him, they are a shell.

I just tuned in... what happened to Rolen?

I have no idea.

I have no idea.  
  
Did they say anything on air?

I have no idea.  
  
Frazier will probably win the game

I missed to first two hitters of the game. I haven't heard anything.

Did they scratch Rolen before the game or after the top of the 1st? That's weird

Did they scratch Rolen before the game or after the top of the 1st? That's weird  
  
Rolen's name is in the boxscore. How could he have gotten hurt sitting on the bench in the top of the first? Weird.

Back spasm my ass

Back spasms per Kelch.

Back spasm my ass  
  
Wouldn't that make it an ass spasm? :laugh:

Wouldn't that make it an ass spasm? :laugh:  


Frazier!

I saw it on the MLB.tv box score... so Rolen had to have been put in as the starter

Frazier doing Scotty Ro proud.

Wow

Leak to pitch hit when needed. Down 2 bench players after Hi-C

See... Dusty Baker knows what he's doing... that was a managerial decision... not back spasms

Nice play by Frazier

14 out of 18 NL Central division teams that were leading on July 1st went on to win the division. You have to like those odds.

Rolen was on card given to ump....Rolen cannot be used in the game.

Do you think ballplayers really care where they hit? Or let it affect them? Once they step into the box you would think that would be the furthest thing from their minds.

14 out 18 NL Central division teams that were leading on July 1st went on to win the division. You have to like those odds.  
  
5 out of 4 people don't understand fractions.  
  
91.3% of all statistics are made up

Frazier doing Scotty Ro proud.  
  
No way Rolen makes that play anymore.   
More like Brooks Robinson against the Reds in the 1970 WS, right Lee May...

No way Rolen makes that play anymore.   
More like Brooks Robinson against the Reds in the 1970 WS, right Lee May...  
  
I still hate Brooks Robinson. :)

5 out of 4 people don't understand fractions.  
  
91.3% of all statistics are made up  
  
That would be 7 out of 9 when you reduce

Do you think ballplayers really care where they hit? Or let it affect them? Once they step into the box you would think that would be the furthest thing from their minds.  
  
Phillips has said batting 4th weighs on him.  
  
With a 2-1 count and 1 out in the 6th inning....I can't fathom anyone thinking..."oh, I'm batting 7th so I suck"

Frazier has the raw tools to become a good 3rd baseman if the Reds would just let him play and learn.

No way Rolen makes that play anymore.   
More like Brooks Robinson against the Reds in the 1970 WS, right Lee May...  
  
Disagree

Do you think ballplayers really care where they hit? Or let it affect them? Once they step into the box you would think that would be the furthest thing from their minds.  
  
I think they def do... it changes how they approach the AB ... an eight-hole guy isnt going to see the same pitching as a three or four-hole hitter

Phillips has said batting 4th weighs on him.  
  
With a 2-1 count and 1 out in the 6th inning....I can't fathom anyone thinking..."oh, I'm batting 7th so I suck"  
  
Phillips should be leading off. We have a hitter with a .294 OBP leading off. Crazy.

That would be 7 out 9 when you reduce  
  
Math is teh bestest.

Arroyo and the bullpen will have to be superduper good today.

Arroyo and the bullpen will have to be superduper good today.  
  
No.. just Arroyo... they are getting the 3rd CG :laugh:

I still hate Brooks Robinson. :)  
  
He made some of the greatest plays by a 3rd baseman that I've ever seen (PERIOD) in that WS! And if memory serves he hit very well also.

This is a game where you hope Todd Frazier has a big game and keys the way to an unexpected win. I don't care what Rolen did to get his back spasms. The fact is the guy is old and sucks now. 0-16 with 8 K's his last 4 games. If he does not retire or DFA by All-Star Break his presence will be a cancer for the 2nd half.

Buccos 4, Cardinals 5 - T7

He made some of the greatest plays by a 3rd baseman that I've ever seen (PERIOD) in that WS! And if memory serves he hit very well also.  
  
He was something special in that Series. That was back before Sportscenter. I am thinking he would have racked up quite a few web gems and plays of the day.

Either Fay or Welsh is lying....my guess Welsh

Arroyo having command issues early.

Stubbs with a very nice catch.

That's off the batter's eye in GABP lol

The wind must be blowing something horrible.

I think I could pitch in this stadium and throw a quality start.

That's off the batter's eye in GABP lol  
  
This is Arroyo's kinda park.

Either Fay or Welsh is lying....my guess Welsh  
  
Maybe they traded Rolen lol

This is a game where you hope Todd Frazier has a big game and keys the way to an unexpected win. I don't care what Rolen did to get his back spasms. The fact is the guy is old and sucks now. 0-16 with 8 K's his last 4 games. If he does not retire or DFA by All-Star Break his presence will be a cancer for the 2nd half.  
  
Agree that Frazier should play a bit more but the last thing Rolen will ever be is a clubhouse cancer. You clearly have no idea how respected he is amongst the other players.

What did they lie about?

Maybe they traded Rolen lol  
  
Rolen and Bailey for Wood.

Yeah, Rolen is a pro's pro. Not a clubhouse cancer.

Rolen and Bailey for Wood.  
  
Bucket of balls and a nice water cooler

rolen would not fetch dried wood

Did they give a timetable on Votto or is it the dreaded day-to-day?

Keeping Rolen around and trotting his carcass out there every game kills the attitude and confidence of a young player like Frazier. It reaffirms to guys like Heisey and Mesoraco that washed up veterans will always get the nod. Rolen may be a good dude but has no business having any active playing role for a playoff team.

What did they lie about?  
  
Someone asked Fay if Bonds got the loudest ovation and then Welsh just said Dusty did......maybe it's semantics...maybe Dusty's ovation was 58 seconds long but not as loud as Bonds' 55 second ovation.  
  
Until video proof....I believe Fay.

The reds need to get Victorino

He got spasmed during Cozart's one-pitch at-bat. That really narrows it down.

Keeping Rolen around and trotting his carcass out there every game kills the attitude and confidence of a young player like Frazier. It reaffirms to guys like Heisey and Mesoraco that washed up veterans will always get the nod. Rolen may be a good dude but has no business having any active playing role for a playoff team.  
  
I'd guess Heisey knows this by now.

Either Fay or Welsh is lying....my guess Welsh  
  
Missed it, about...?

The reds need to get Victorino  
  
Yeah....that would shut me up a bit.

What has happened to Valdez

Reds brought their Thursday night bats to the game today

What has happened to Valdez  
  
Stubbs takes a lot of playing time from people.

on the plus side, this game should go quickly.

Agree on Victorino but I would not trade Stubbs to get him. A package of Heisey and a bullpen arm (Ondrusek, Bray, etc) + 1 third tier prospect should get it done. I'd hope the front office would try for a fair extension also.

I have a feeling Michael Bourn is gonna get "Chippered" in the last chance voting. 4.0 WAR. 4th in the league. And no ASG. Now that is a snub.

Missed it, about...?  
  
Read post # 71

on the plus side, this game should go quickly.  
  
Is that you Marty?

I have a feeling Michael Bourn is gonna get "Chippered" in the last chance voting. 4.0 WAR. 4th in the league. And no ASG. Now that is a snub.  
  
How can Bourn not be there? You can argue Phillips calling the Cards b****** cost Bourn a spot.  
  
Harper will get a ton of votes.....Chipper might...good list.

Is that you Marty?  
  
Marty also said Wood is working on a 7 inning shutout while we have a gimp pitching for us tomorrow against the best team in the National League. Times are good, times are good.

How can Bourn not be there? You can argue Phillips calling the Cards b****** cost Bourn a spot.  
  
Harper will get a ton of votes.....Chipper might...good list.  
  
"Chippered" Or "Harpered" it is all the same. I doubt Bourn wins that voting.

Marty also said Wood is working on a 7 inning shutout while we have a gimp pitching for us tomorrow against the best team in the National League. Times are good, times are good.  
  
I wouldn't say they are the best with what's on the DL

Marty also said Wood is working on a 7 inning shutout while we have a gimp pitching for us tomorrow against the best team in the National League. Times are good, times are good.  
  
He called Bailey a gimp?

Marty also said Wood is working on a 7 inning shutout while we have a gimp pitching for us tomorrow against the best team in the National League. Times are good, times are good.  
  
Man you serve no purpose with your posts. That post is just ignorant on so many levels. Wood couldn't compete last hear. Bailey has 10 quality starts this year and news flash boss the dodgers are not the best team in the national league.

He called Bailey a gimp?  
  
No I did. He asked me if I was Marty and I replied in a Marty like fashion.

No I did. He asked me if I was Marty and I replied in a Marty like fashion.  
  
Got it.

This guy is to be feared. Even though he looks like he could be in high school.

This is thursday night all over again get two outs and next two gets hits.

Come on Arroyo.......  
  
Blast it. Loss today, loss tomorrow for sure.

Agree on Victorino but I would not trade Stubbs to get him. A package of Heisey and a bullpen arm (Ondrusek, Bray, etc) + 1 third tier prospect should get it done. I'd hope the front office would try for a fair extension also.  
  
If we have Victorino and Stubbs.....??? Gotta get rid of Stubbs if your getting a CF.

Man you serve no purpose with your posts. That post is just ignorant on so many levels. Wood couldn't compete last hear. Bailey has 10 quality starts this year and news flash boss the dodgers are not the best team in the national league.  
  
Facts have no place in Rage's thought process. His Bailey hate stops for nothing.

If we have Victorino and Stubbs.....??? Gotta get rid of Stubbs if your getting a CF.  
  
I would offer Stubbs and Bailey, but I doubt the Phillies would want either. Both guys are deadweight.

Grrrr.

Horse ****

Victorino plays LF and Stubbs stays in CF. Ludwick becomes the 4th outfielder. Victorino mans CF on Stubbs' off days against tough RHP starters.

Pretty good pitch. Nice AB for Posey.

Arroyo not making it past the 6th today, the bullpen should be used without hesitation

Pretty good pitch. Nice AB for Posey.  
  
Yep. Posey is a tough out.

Arroyo not making it past the 6th today, the bullpen should be used without hesitation  
  
If he can go 5 innings while only giving up 1 run, I would take it.

If he can go 5 innings while only giving up 1 run, I would take it.  
  
Yeah, especially since the bullpen should be rested!

Come on guys...2nd time around. Let's get some runs.

Victorino plays LF and Stubbs stays in CF. Ludwick becomes the 4th outfielder. Victorino mans CF on Stubbs' off days against tough RHP starters.  
  
Victorino is a 3x GG CF....and fiery as can be.....he ain't playing LF with Stubbs in CF...no way

Something fishy about all the All Star voting in SF! With all the Silicon Valley Computer programming talent (geeks), I strongly suspect some massive automated voting had to occur. Heck even Pagan almost beat out Braun!

I'm really getting tired of seeing Stubbs and his .230 average in there.

It would be interesting if the Reds packaged Bailey and Stubbs together, what they could get? A pinch hitter?

It would be interesting if the Reds packaged Bailey and Stubbs together, what they could get? A pinch hitter?  
  
Ur kidding right?

It's depressing to see how feeble our offense is without Votto. Makes you realize the need to upgrade the .OBP and lessen the strikeouts.

Ur kidding right?  
  
Considering Stubbs can't hit worth bleep and Bailey looks gimp, they don't hold much value.

I'm really getting tired of seeing Stubbs and his .230 average in there.  
  
still rather see him than Heiseyless, the team needs new CF and LF in the offseason

Considering Stubbs can't hit worth bleep and Bailey looks gimp, they don't hold much value.  
  
Bailey has pitched pretty good this year....why you say he looks gimp?

I hope that didn't hurt him.

still rather see him than Heiseyless, the team needs new CF and LF in the offseason  
  
I would rather see Hiesey in center than stubbs and luddy in left. But i do think we do need to go in a new direction this offseason.

Easy out after easy out.

Bailey has pitched pretty good this year....why you say he looks gimp?  
  
Lets see, his breaking stuff has been dead the last 3 starts, his velocity has ticked down and he won't extend his arms to fix that problem......like he is nursing something.   
  
Bailey started out the year decently, but has had nothing lately. Not a good sign.

The question surrounding Bailey is how much are you willing to pay the guy? He's under team control until 2015 but is it worth it to pay him 6-8 million for his production?

perfect game out the door, not hitter still intact

still rather see him than Heiseyless, the team needs new CF and LF in the offseason  
  
I'd like to see him about 60/40   
  
Stubbs is 0 for his last 12.

Lets see, his breaking stuff has been dead the last 3 starts, his velocity has ticked down and he won't extend his arms to fix that problem......like he is nursing something.   
  
Bailey started out the year decently, but has had nothing lately. Not a good sign.  
  
I guess we'll see

I'd like to see him about 60/40   
  
Stubbs is 0 for his last 12.  
  
Heisey gives nothing to this team though, he doesn't hit for power or average and swings at the most asinine pitches you will ever see. He's also slower than dirt for a centerfielder and isn't a threat to steal any bases

So Bruce really made the All-Star team... :confused:

Second look at BP hit by Pitch suggests he can act. Good play BP.

So Bruce really made the All-Star team... :confused:  
  
i think Larussa kinda threw the reds a bone for not getting Cueto or Phillips so people shouldn't be that upset with the man

Bailey is an adequate back of the rotation starter that give you consistently average production. His ERA is surprisingly consistent: 4.53, 4.46, 4.43, 4.42 (2009-2012). I like Bailey but he is not a playoff starter and I don't have a lot of confidence he will improve much from his current production.

Rolen is hurt again, and Stubbs is well...Stubbs again. Time for Wilson.

Bailey is an adequate back of the rotation starter that give you consistently average production. His ERA is surprisingly consistent: 4.53, 4.46, 4.43, 4.42 (2009-2012). I like Bailey but he is not a playoff starter and I don't have a lot of confidence he will improve much from his current production.  
  
Posts like this are the problem. You are pegging Homer based on production, but not in health and real "stuff". Bailey when throws his real stuff is better than a back of the rotation starter. The point "why" we aren't getting this stuff consistantly has been misread as a learning problem. It is a physical problem. He just can't do it all the time. If Homer could go through a stretch of starts sitting at about 94mph with good breaking stuff then drop off to 92mph with no breaking stuff. Something is not right physically. At best it is a period of deadarm. At worst his shoulder has flared up again.   
  
The guy has physical problems. He just may not be able to maintain his stuff starting.

Cards beat the Pirates so what ever happens the Reds will hold their 1 game

Baby giraffe??

Why don't pitchers that are batting .079 and have struck out 22 times in 32 at-bats try to bunt more often? What could it possibly hurt? Make the other team make a play at least.

Arroyo danced out of that one

Why don't pitchers that are batting .079 and have struck out 22 times in 47 at-bats try to bunt more often? What could it possibly hurt. Make the other team make a play at least.  
  
In the words of the cowboy anybody with a bat is dangerous

Edinson Volquez had ace-level "stuff" and was electric in games he put it all together. However, no one would argue he was anything better than mediocre. Bailey has had velocity and teasing starts for several years. Call it frailty, mental weakness, bad coaching, whatever. The guy is average. He's OK as a #4-5 starter and I'm cool with that.

Rally.

About time

Edinson Volquez had ace-level "stuff" and was electric in games he put it all together. However, no one would argue he was anything better than mediocre. Bailey has had velocity and teasing starts for several years. Call it frailty, mental weakness, bad coaching, whatever. The guy is average. He's OK as a #4-5 starter and I'm cool with that.  
  
Again, your not getting it. Bailey does not show ace level stuff consistantly. Period. There is no mental weakness. There is no bad coaching. He simply cannot physically throw like he needs to be a great starting pitcher on a consistant basis. Hence, the Reds fanbase has been LONG wrong about Bailey. Volquez is always electric. He just cannot command anything. Bailey literally can go from electric to dull in a successive starts.  
  
Maybe the pen will physically agree with him in short stints. That way the 97mph fastball and sharp breaking stuff returns regularly.

no hitter gone

A gapper would be welcome.

woohoo

Todd! Thank you, back spasms!

Yeah baby!!!

Nice AB by Frazier

yes!

yeah baby

You can thank me for that homer. I just turned the game on after getting home from seeing 'Ted' and we immediately got two hits. I'll be here the rest of the game.

BOOM!! I hope Rolen's toilet related back spasms keep him out tomorrow.

Nice!!!  
  
But that 3rd Ball looked like middle of the plate :laugh:

Nice!!!  
  
But that 3rd Ball looked like middle of the plate :laugh:  
  
There's always one!!!

How was Ted?

It's a decent R-rated comedy with a little heart to it. Definitely worth checking out.

It was pretty funny but very crude. If you are into that you'd like it. I was shocked at the number of people who had their young children in there with them. I guess they saw the preview in passing and figured it was a kids' movie?

It's a decent R-rated comedy with a little heart to it. Definitely worth checking out.  
  
I agree.

Nice.

Look at Cairo!!! That's why he is on this team.....hatarade.

Instead of the umpire throwing a new ball into play, I would love to see a hand rise up out of the mound right next to the pitching rubber with a baseball in it. And the organist could play the theme from the Addams Family. Yes.

Game tied. Cabrera at second. Posey coming up. Geez.

Posey plunked up high.

If that throw was cut off it looks like they would have had Cabrera out at second.

Damn. I was hoping Arroyo could make it through 5 with the lead. Runs are at a premium for the Reds today. Hope someone's getting warm.

Ludwick been hitting the bottle between innings?

If Arroyo gets out of this, no way should he pitch beyond the #9 batter.

Inning over. Tied at two.

This has been a slow game. Almost two hours and not much offense.

arroyo should be done, hasnt looked very good all day, but if he's our #5 pitcher i'll take it

Stubbs fakes the bunt.

Way to bounce back! I say let him pitch the 6th until a runner reaches 2nd. Bottom of the lineup coming up. 6-9 and 1st batter are a combined 1-9 today vs Arroyo. #2,3,4 have beat him up.

This should be his last inning if he is ran back out there

I guess Dusty wants to lose this game.

I guess Dusty wants to lose this game.  
  
Stupid post!!!

I gotta think Bronson's got two hitters left.

Yeah baby

hahahaha

Love it. Get some Latos

Whiny Giants --- the ump gets hit & they cry

If you hang over the plate you can't cry when a pitch comes inside rofl

I hope Bronson lets one slip.. haha this is getting heated

What's going on? Gameday is way behind.

Benches cleared. Vogelsong was upset that Bronson came inside.

What's going on? Gameday is way behind.  
  
Giants pitcher started like he was gonna charge the mound on Arroyo for pitching him inside

What's going on? Gameday is way behind.  
  
Benches cleared.... nothing happened

As a pitcher you try to throw the ball up and in when they show bunt. Vogelsong is a pitcher, he should know that. Quit crying.

Benches cleared. Vogelsong was upset that Bronson came inside.  
  
I lol'd at this.

I lol'd at this.  
  
:laugh:

Gotta love the boos

I lol'd at this.  
  
Isn't that what happened?

E1... LeCure

Arroyo clearly not at his best today. Did a nice job to still put up a good start.

Funny thing was that Vogelsong was fine until he turned and saw the ump go down, then he went all Meryl Streep.

Dusty playing blackjack again........

Arroyo clearly not at his best today. Did a nice job to still put up a good start.  
  
Exactly...he battled today and kept the team in the game.

Should be an interesting half inning

Should be an interesting half inning  
  
I'd welcome retaliation at this point. #1 it's getting late and we need baserunners. #2 it would be the end of the day for Vogelsong.

Roberto Kelly is the Giants' 1st base coach. Now that was a bad trade. I know a guy who's a Yankee fan and every time I see him he says "Thank you for Paul O'neill".

If he hits Jay, at least it will help my fantasy team's OBP.

Isn't that what happened?  
  
It's how you worded it.

It didn't look like Arroyo had much at the start of this game, 6 innings of 2 run baseball against a first place team in their home park....great job of PITCHING by Bronson. That being said, #2-#4 hitters are 5-7 with a walk and a HBP, getting on base 7 out of 9 plate appearances. That should be his last inning.

It's how you worded it.  
  
Ah. Now I see.

Jay Bruce - All Star.

Bruce with a real stinker mercy

Nice hit luddy

Let's get these runners home. At least one of them.

Nice AB

Babe Cairo - time to come through.

Bruce with a real stinker mercy  
  
+1 -- but he kept the double down the line in front of him -- yeah -- looking hard for good things to say

Cairo about to come up big!!!

I have to tip my cap to Ludwick. He has been much better than I thought he would be.

If you take Votto's place you have to hit like Votto. Right?

I have to tip my cap to Ludwick. He has been much better than I thought he would be.  
  
and thankfully keeps Heisey on the bench

Cairo about to come up big!!!  
  
Maybe not!!!

Come on Hanny --- I feel it

Slap one to right here.

Hanny time.

you cant expect too much from Cairo in those situations

Cairo hit that pretty solid, too bad the CF had to take 3-4 steps to get it.

Darn

Come on Hanny --- I feel it  
  
Must have been gas

Another flyout, dang that was a good scoring chance by the boards.

Must have been gas  
  
Lol...gotta hate that

Was that Simon that went after the panda

Cairo is the bench version of Rolen. The party is over.

Wow not a good start

Walking the first batter again.

great job Logan

Geez, in a place where HRs are few and far between leadoff walks will kill you

Ondrusek is a real champ at coming in and walking the first hitter.

I am surprised they bunted Cabrera. Take that out.

great bunt --- rarely done that way by our guys.

Geez, in a place where HRs are few and far between leadoff walks will kill you  
  
Actually I'd rather have a leadoff walk here than at GABP

great bunt --- rarely done that way by our guys.  
  
which is why the Reds are a bad team in 1 run games

We rarely lose when Daren Baker is in the house.

Walk him

That hurt. Theriot on third with one away. Gutsy play by Theriot. Doesn't matter. Posey singles to center.

What I mean is in this park, SF is playing for that 1 run. Putting a guy on second with 1 out with your #4 and #5 hitters coming up is a better chance of scoring rather than anyone of them hitting a HR.  
  
Walks are def not good in GABP....but look what that walk has done.

Logan used to be much better.

This is textbook on how to give one away.

Ondrusek has really sucked more and more as the year has gone on

Logan used to be much better.  
  
idk whatever happened to him, but whatever did happen has made him an awful pitcher and very unreliable

What I mean is in this park, SF is playing for that 1 run. Putting a guy on second with 1 out with your #4 and #5 hitters coming up is a better chance of scoring rather than anyone of them hitting a HR.  
  
Walks are def not good in GABP....but look what that walk has done.  
  
I get what ur saying now....just thought u were talking leadoff walks in general.

Ondrusek can't pitch when he pitches to often and he can't pitch when he has too much rest. I think the problem is above his shoulders.

Logan has looked pretty bad for a while -- maybe should swap with Sam in the pecking order

what a DP!

Nice turn BP

It isn't above the shoulders. He just tires easily. Now he probably needs more work. Sorta of like the Bailey of the bullpen.

Did you just see that turn....WOW

Lets say Heisey and Cozart reach, do you hit Valdez for Stubbs? I do....here is to hoping we get to find out what Dusty would do.

Romo got lucky on that one