One of the most amazing things that's happening at the moment on the Pope Francis is the beginnings of a historic breakthrough between the Catholic Church and the evangelicals worldwide. This has come about and this is very Francis because of a very deep friendship he had with a man called Bishop Tony Palmer. Palmer and Francis formed a deep friendship in Buenos Aires many many years ago. And after Francis became Pope, he invited the Tony Palmer to come and see him. And at the meeting Tony Palmer said that he was going to be addressing the following week a meeting of a mega church leaders in Texas, Kenneth Copeland Ministries. And Francis recorded a video message so Tony Palmer recorded on his iPhone a video message from Pope Francis to those mega church leaders. Well the effect of that message was extraordinary it was electric and Tony Palmer himself gave a very passionate speech saying look you know the reformation is over. We actually no longer disagree. So Tony Palmer over many months when I was writing the book and we met while I was writing the book to talk about what was happening as Tony Palmer was building up a lot of names of people who wanted in some way to be part of this new unity initiative with the Pope. And in June this year there was a meeting between very very significant evangelical leaders representing something like 800 million evangelicals across the world and Pope Francis. And at that meeting they gave him the draft of a declaration which is a declaration which they are planning to make public and to sign in 2017 that's the latest that I heard and this declaration will say basically that there is no rivalry between Catholics and evangelicals that they can pray, work together and mission together they are no longer rivals. Now this is a tremendous tremendously significant. I was just recently in Rome with his widow Emilia McParmer and bishops from the CEC who were meeting Francis. And I learned that Emilia Palmer, Tony's widow and our Bishop Robert Wise of the CEC are taking this forward now. And I think that will happen. I am sure that one of the legacies of this pontificate will be this historic declaration. But with evangelicals with charismatic Catholics, with people who are, if you like, not having got that baggage, institutional baggage, then they are capable of witnessing together, praying together, working together. In a way that just passes impossible with some of the older churches. And so I think we are going to see a major breakthrough there. So he believes in what he calls a reconciled diversity. So it is possible to be a completely believing, viable believing evangelical Christian and also to be a totally, you know, eucharistic, sacramental Catholic. And you retain your identity, but that doesn't stop you. Because you have a shared baptism. You believe in the same God. You are both open to the presence of the Holy Spirit. Then the stuff can happen. God can work through that. And his point, I think, is that we need to allow the Holy Spirit to work through us in our common mission. And then, frankly, the institutional, theological divergent, the convergence will happen as a result of that. Well, it was fascinating being at the Synod because it was clearly a group there who were deeply unhappy with the direction of the papacy and the church under Francis. And they made their views known. They used the Synod, I think, as a way of expressing that discontent. And they're certainly going to make life difficult for Francis going forward. However, my other sense being at the Synod was that actually most of the bishops are with him. I mean, actually, 80-90% of the residential bishops from diocese are totally with the Pope. They want to explore how to make the church a more pastoral place, how to make the church teaching, fuller so that it includes more than merciful love of God without compromising essential church teachings. So, now there's the mission of Pope Francis, which is to move the church in that direction. I think he has the mish to the bishops with him. Now, there are a few who say, if we try and do that, we get down this route. We're going to sacrifice clarity. We're going to sacrifice the importance of the clear witness of Christianity in a world which is trying to make the church water down its teachings. So, they were very active in the Synod, they will continue to be active. But I don't think that they're going to be in any way present ultimately a division for the church. I don't think in other words that the Francis' apathy isn't in any way imperiled by this. Yeah, I mean, Catholic voices is a project which we created in 2010 to put the churches' case on TV and radio. So, we have teams of speakers and we're ordinary Catholics. I mean, they're obviously educated and are taking the Catholics, but they're not specialists or theologians. So, it's actually a good way of finding out what Catholics think. I think they want to see a church which is more missionary, more effective at getting its message across. They want to see a church also which is attractive. And they also want, of course, at a very basic level to try and get rid of or move on from those things which have kept the church back, namely certain scandals and dysfunctions. Whether it's in the Vatican or with the clerical sex abuse crisis. Well, it's always striking to me when I go to Rome to find that actually the enthusiasm for Pope Francis, which of course is phenomenal, remains phenomenal in the wider world. Isn't particularly shared in Rome. And in fact, you talk to Vatican officials and they look very worried. And they say, we don't understand what's going on. We don't know what he's doing. We can't make him out. Now, I know from my biography of Francis from having spoken to many, many people who knew him and worked with him in Argentina that he is a disconserting leader. And he doesn't operate through institutional channels. He actually deeply respects institutions. But he doesn't operate primarily through departments and strategies. He has a very, very personalistic way of operating. So when he finds the right person, he'll see that person as being the vehicle then of the change. He is shaking things up in Rome. So actually most of the department heads don't know where they're still going to be there in a few months' time. In fact, most of them, I think, are fairly confident that they won't be. So that produces a kind of uncertainty and an insecurity. But he's not afraid of that. Here's the thing about Francis that I learned in doing my book is that he's not afraid of living in the tension. And he believes that in the tension he's actually whether he's a spirit is allowed to operate. So this is the remarkable thing about Pope Francis. What we have is a Pope who is, as somebody said to me in Argentina, he's a combination of a brilliant manager and a desert saint. He's Machiavelli plus Saint Francis. He really understands government. He understands management. But above all, he understands spirituality. And this is what's just so unusual about him. And he said that bishops and the card can speak freely. That's what Pope asked him to do and they did it. And it was quite exciting to see this in action. But I think what we've taken from it is this process that Pope Francis has done. Because it really is allowing the church to discuss these issues which are so unfortunate. I mean in Africa people might think that everyone is following Catholic church teaching to the left. And actually Africa, they've got pubic ligament, child brides and those kind of things. And obviously in Western Europe there are difficulties with financial pressures on Larry and Couples and families. So I think with the pews, that is one of the main. And I think there is this sense that there's a disconnect between what the church teaches you is. That is a big concern. What we'll see is two things. I think we'll see any language and your approach. I think we'll also see more more debate. I think there was a more more disagreements because I hope it's open up this discussion. Well, there were a number of problems that weren't happy with the way the discussions went. So Cardinal Pell, who is one of the high interviews here, and he was not happy and he produced to me. He gave to me a piece of hate with his handwritten thoughts about whether or not the document was going wrong. And it was tendentially complete in his words. Pope says in his absolute exhortation about J.O. McGow, which is his kind of big blueprint for his papacy. It says reality, but it isn't the strong idea. So it's the path of reality is all that well which I've been trying to do.