Okay, we have Harold Steve with us today, the XMLA, XNDPMLA, and NMLA, that was with the Dave Barrett government back in the 70s, and Harold is one of the founders of the agricultural land reserve, that most remarkable thing that we still have all these years. Now, Harold's been here at the summit talking about what's going on at the site C, and basically we're just going to ask him what's his impressions of the weekend and what might lie ahead for the site C struggle. Well, I was really pleased with the conference this weekend. We had 300 people here, and it sort of took me back a little bit because it was the kind of meeting that I was used to when we brought in the agricultural land reserve a long, long time ago. There are people that are committed to saving the farmland at site C, the First Nations territory, the forest, the animals, and the beautiful valley. And so I've come out of this feeling very, very pleased because we're seeing the birth of a new movement. I think it'll be within and without and around the NDP, but it's the birth of a new group that is not going to go away, and I think it's going to play major role in the future. Well, you know, it's kind of good to see, I'm not, maybe you haven't been around the block as many times as you, but I have been involved in a few social struggles, and we kind of are seeing maybe the good part of the old NDP, the sort of sentiments that are being expressed here, and perhaps that is probably a good thing to see that social Democrats still can rally together and still come up with some good ideas. That's right, and my comment to the last group, we're talking about social Democrats, is unfortunately what we have witnessed is the NDP going from being social Democrats to liberals. When you go to bed with the corporations that are building the dam and the corporations that are going to ship LNG to do fracking and make the LNG and then ship it, that's not social Democrats democracy. That is pure out and out joining the corporate forces. Yeah, whatever you want to try to call it, is it a little bit too? Is it a corporate ideology that's driving that? In the end, the result is that they've decided to go ahead with this project, and it really does not only fly in the face of values of social Democrats and environmentalists, but most, I think most people in British Columbia feel ripped off by this decision because nobody really saw it coming. We thought that the new government was going to do it and change things, and we knew there are a lot of people in the new government who are totally opposed to sightseeing. We knew there were people in the government that wanted to save our agricultural lands, and we're looking at 8,300 acres, I think, of Class 1 and 2 land that will be lost. Now, Class 1 and 2 land, there's not much of it in BC. It's what grows your vegetables. We've got a little bit in Richmond and Delta, a little bit over here in Vancouver Island, but not much else. And we're flooding that, and we get from our own government, a statement, well, there's lots of Class 1 to 5, thousands of acres of Class 1 to 5 land left. That's a lie. We're talking about alluvial soils, and you get an NDP government that's lying to us, that's even as bad as what they're doing to us. Well, is it, is it, do you think that they're misinformed? Could they be misinformed? Could their minds be changed if better information is given to them? Or are we pat a past that threshold now? We don't know where they got their information from, they made the decision. And that's the problem. I made a presentation on agriculture and alternate energy to the BCUC meeting, and we had all kinds of scientists, and experts, and ecologists, and different ones make those presentations. They came down with some very good analysis of site C and some recommendations, and that should have stood for something. But the NDP went to intercloat behind closed stores, and they listened to someone else. We don't know whether it's Bill Tillman and the unions that paid big money into the NDP before they got in the new act, or whether it's Deputy Ministers that are sold on site C that are still there. And so, or both. That's a curiosity for me, and over the years looking at how governments work, and then you've been in government, you've said in those chairs, and you've watched the shenanigans, I'm sure you've seen lots of them. I remember Dave Beard being carried out of the legislature and all that. That was a lot of fun actually to watch. Whatever his beliefs were, he was going to stand up for them, and you have to respect anyone that's willing to do that, the way he would battle. We haven't seen much of that since then. We've just seen one successive government after another that sort of looks like the same government, so often. Basically, it's all attacking each other in a personal basis, how they said things, but not about what they said. As soon as the government changes, nothing changes. Yeah, and we're kind of stuck in that stalemate right now. Maybe just to wrap up, and have you considered what the impact of proportional representation may have on the democracy that we have in Britain has come up with? I think that we don't adopt proportional representation, we're just going to see more of the same. Those that support site C aren't quite happy to support the NDP right now, and if it looks to the NDP, it gets in trouble, they'll be quite happy to support the liberal. It doesn't matter which party gets in, if that party is supporting the corporate structure, that's okay. So the only way we can make any changes is if we do have proportional representation, where somebody in the country, we have some saying in the Greens, the Greens keep the NDP honest, let's put it that way. No, that's great, and great view, and we all share that. Well, thank you so much, Harold, for coming by, and good luck in the future to you. Thanks very much.