Sammy Wilson. A further round of talks is taking place between farmers in India and the government amid a country-wide strike over new agricultural laws. Farmers have been demonstrating at the border of the Indian capital, Delhi, Fiday, is demanding the government repeal the laws. They believe will damage their incomes. Or every thing is the founder of the International NGO, Kalsa 8. He grew up in Punjab and comes from a family of farmers and joins me now. And many people in this country perhaps aren't aware of just what a big deal this is. I mean, what's your reaction when you see what's happening in particularly in the Punjab? Well, it's a very, very upsetting, deeply disappointing. We are, it's like reliving the 80s again where brute force has been used against civilians, especially the farmers who are practicing their lawful means to protest. And it really disappointing, more so, more so disappointing, that our government in the UK have kept quiet while other governments have condemned the action by the security forces. And we expect the same from a British government on humanitarian levels to open their eyes. It is, it is, it is. Yeah, it was, sorry, I'm so sorry. It was raised in the, in the Commons briefly today, but I just wonder, do you share the view that some have that the protesters may have gone a little too far in the way these protests have escalated? The protesters are fighting for their futures. They are fighting for their livelihoods. And they are doing exactly what a peaceful protestors would do. I can't believe, I can't believe the amount of force used against protesters, especially when they were protesting towards a new Delhi. Why at this moment, there are 1.2 million people, not just from Punjab, other places too, who are on the boards of Delhi and this freezing winter. And they face water cannons, a large tea charge, which is the batten charge. They use, they have to face tear gas, all for the fact that they were practicing their lawful means to protest for me as a, as somebody from Punjab who's suffered already for the green revolution took us decades to recover. Now we're going back into that same painful period again, where the farmers, every day an ordinary person is fighting for their livelihood in a peaceful democratic manner according to the inter constitution and we're facing such wars. And I do hope the world will wake up and take notice. The farmers are not there or anything else. They're elderly, they're women, they're children, they are facing severe winter and they're ready to go for the next six months, all for their livelihoods. And we don't expect anything else. And what makes it worse, these laws are being passed without debate, without discussion and parliament and it went straight into law. Now when you said that this question was raised in the British parliament, have you, I'm not sure if you're seeing the reply from Boris Johnson or Prime Minister, he made it into Indian Pakistan issue. If our own Prime Minister has no idea what's going on, how can we expect the elderly else to do so? So we're appealing as British Punjabis for the British government to make sure that the Indian government responds to the protesters accordingly to the Indian constitution and not by brute force. We cannot sit back by, once our people from our state are facing such brutality. Given that the risk of escalation even is there room for compromise on either side as you look at where we are right now? Well, it's very difficult to say because the corporations that Punjabi are supposed is such a huge producer of farm produce and wheat and grain is the last best unit for the corporation to take over like in many other places in India. So compromise, I see it very difficult because most of the government is very closely associated with the corporations, which makes it very difficult for the government to go against the corporation and the laws. So these laws are not fair, unjust and I do see a very tough bleak and bitter war ahead or protests. And I think it can be avoided if a government now actually listens to the people. 15 to 20 opposition parties in India have opposed these laws. It's time they listened and repeal these laws. There's no way the farmers are going to turn back, not the way the mood is at the moment, especially the treatment they faced to get to Delhi. Well Ravi Singh, I'm most grateful to you for your time. Thank you very much for coming here on BBC News stuff now. Thank you.