This Ridley O is brought to you by lrn.fm Feds don't want you to hear them Well standing here with state rep Caleb dire who is am I saying your last name correctly? Yes, you are saying it was I guess the only bus libertarian party State rep in New Hampshire and one of the only ones in the country maybe the only one one of two legislators In the country Okay, so I would like to ask you a couple questions about the concept of Independence Which you are on board with I guess for New Hampshire? Yeah, it would be it would be a long and interesting road But you know if we could if we could make progress towards it. Yeah, it would be absolutely positive I think the burning question on my mind is so when how and Why will you be submitting a Changed in the law that would make a new Hampshire independent? Well, I'm probably going to be able to do it as a second year bill It's kind of more of a politically oriented bill that you know is very politically charged issue There are obviously a lot of people who are I would call them federalists in the house I would consider myself an anti-federalist I know that we don't use those labels very commonly anymore. Well, that's they're new England labels I mean, this is the hardest the heart of anti-federalism from the right century before last it is true But you know I plan on submitting a relatively anti-federalist solution Resolution I should say or constitute full amendment You know sometime in the second year so during the filing period at the end of this year You were telling me that I get you know initially you're planning to try and have one this year But you decided to wait because it's so complicated. You wanted to get it right? Yeah, I consulted actually lawyers And the first one actually is over there in the quote right now about Carla Carla Grick She's runs in the Hampshire independence that org, right? She used to she's an agent of the yeah, I don't know if she's on the I Know she's now with New Hampshire independence. I don't know in what capacity. Oh, okay. She's either director or something like that But yeah, no, I spoke to her and she was very on board with trying to come up with language We still haven't drafted You know language that is a hundred percent you know kosher with the constitution The kind of statutory way to actually implement whatever we change it to so whether or not that somehow Invoking article 100 section B of the Constitution, which is how a constitutional amendment is ratified by the people Whatever that is we still need to kind of figure that out so Hopefully we haven't figured out figured out by the filing deadline So I had been traditionally in favor of the idea of just taking a few words out of the New Hampshire Constitution Which bind the Hampshire to the feds But you're indicating that there that there's this whole body of statute that binds us to the feds that would have to be eliminated separately Yes, a lot of what exists in the federal level is not so much Originally constitutional it's not contained originally within the Constitution It's presumed that the federal government can have a role of the states give it that role So there's a lot of Conditional kind of money from the federal government that whenever New Hampshire spends money We can apply for grants and become eligible Some of that money as well the federal So because it's voluntary in that respect that we have to spend money to get their money or we have to accept conditions to get their money We have to choose to opt out of those things and become self-sufficient first So while independence is in concept in theory excellent we need to make Shrides towards real independence before we move to political independence So we need real economic independence first to kind of preempt that and I think once people realize that we do not need those federal monies Or that we can operate without them at the very least That we can go for it as a state of course New Hampshire is a donor state You know so they're already sending a lot more to the feds and they're getting back But like I said, it's not so cut and dry because even though we are a donor state we still are reliant on our federal you know Subsis or federal monies we're still reliant on those monies to Make our tax structure work very nicely otherwise our tax structure kind of It doesn't it wouldn't work as well as people would think You know, there would be a lot of crazy incentives that would exist like for instance lumber right We have a 10% tax on timber 10% timber That's relative to stump value. We have a 4% gravel tax our business tax structure is relatively consolidated which is nice But still it would be very difficult for certain businesses to continue if we were to eliminate certain federal monies That we get so what do you think is the number one hurdle? Between New Hampshire and independence The number one really is that is all of the statutory mess that is the Promises of money, you know, it's it's that Carrot and stick kind of federal funding That really binds New Hampshire to the rest of the United States and if we can solve that problem by kind of Either reducing expenditures and not taking as much of the federal money or if we can Find out ways to replace the federal monies at the state level then we can make a good You know case for saying New Hampshire can do this on its own. We don't need the federal government All right, and he also like to add that I haven't thought of no, but thanks Dave for giving me the opportunity It's always a pleasure to talk with you man. Oh, thanks. Well, I don't even I'm not even sure we've ever met before I mean I have messaged you I know All right, yeah, great. Well, we'll see we'll see what can happen You know independence can can come about quickly, but usually the was it like Sunsu said you can you can protect yourself against a feat But only the enemy provides the opportunity for victory indeed. Yes, we will need to capitalize on every opportunity We have to you know increase New Hampshire's already Independent spirit through political means so there are plenty of ways to do that other than just a constitutional amendment You know, but we plan to do that too so All right, we'll see what happens all right. Thanks, Caleb I don't like freedom radio talk listening to lrn FM makes me Bach far from it. 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