So we bought Visionon TV down to Top Ness in Southwest of England today. It's talked of Ben Brangwin, who's co-founder of the Transition Network. Ben, could you explain us a little bit about what the Transition Network is about? Okay, so Transition Network is a small charity that started up in order to support communities as they look at the impact of climate change and peak oil and try to figure out what the best things to do to respond to those are at the community level. And it's working on the basis that most of our infrastructure, most of our food systems, our energy systems, our transport systems are completely reliant on fossil fuels, particularly oil. And a recognition that the age of cheap and abundant oil in particular is coming fairly slowly but surely to an end. And that's happening right now. And as we witness some of the traumas that are happening in European countries and elsewhere, these are sure signs of it. And so we help communities figure out how to organize themselves, how to start out projects that look at more resilient ways of handling the food systems, the transport systems. Does that mean not going in my car out of the supermarket or growing my own? Well, that's a really good example. A supermarket is, and the supermarket system is the perfect example of a completely non-resilient food system. It's very, very clever, very intelligently designed just in time food distribution system that really cannot withstand problems associated with liquid fuels. So in the UK and the year 2000, when we had, when the Laurie drivers blockaded the oil refineries, that put the entire food system. Well, 80% of the food system, which is what the supermarket's represent, inter jeopardy. And there were shortages on the shelves. And there was no way of addressing that, sort of, commandeering fuel. And so it highlighted problems that we've got. And although there, that was a kind of artificial introduction of shortage of one of the key aspects of the food system, my oil. You know, what we're seeing globally now with the oil that's coming through that we can't really rely on it, you know, going forward. And now is now is absolutely a time to start looking at how to relocalize our food system. I can imagine it's a hugely complicated story. And one that obviously we can't get into all its details for today. How would I find out more about you guys? Where will I get more details of it? Well, we've got a website called TransitionNetwork.org. And my transition groups, one of the things that they do as they start up is to get themselves a web presence. So searching around your own local towns, for instance, could yield an existing transition group. And we have on TransitionNetwork.org a map of all the initiatives that have registered with us, which is close to 1,000 now, including plenty in the UK, plenty in France, plenty across Europe. So that's how people can find out what's going on. And if there's nothing going on, they can start something up themselves because every community is going to have to look at these. And whether they look at them proactively or reactivly is their own choice and I think proactively is much wider choice than reactivly. Okay, thank you very much indeed for your time, Ben. So you heard the website we're talking about there, TransitionNetwork.org. I'm going to have a look at it and see if there's something going on near where you live. So this is Patrick Chaumers. I'm with VisiononTV in TopNAS. And that was TransitionNetwork.org. TransitionNetwork.org. Now edit, there we go.