I'm just gonna say it. This is exactly what goes down in horror movies. I gotta ask is it interesting for you to see kind of how the scenes play out from the other characters' perspectives because you're shooting a certain scene in a certain ending or a certain piece in your story but at the same time the other characters shooting there as it must be really interesting to kind of see how other people take that. Yeah for sure it has been it has been and I think it's one of those things I like. Oh she made her death sound so much better than my death. Oh 100% oh that's constant for me. I don't want to go off the Ellen I was like let's start yeah we all joke about that she's got the most incredible scream ever. And so anytime there's some screaming and Ellen's up first it feels like following Pavarotti on stage afterwards it's like do we have to really no matter how many times I do it I won't I won't reach those heights. What excited for players to experience with this game any advice maybe you have for players? How they shouldn't navigate these waters? I think how fun with all the different alternative parts and die again try again that's one of the really fun things about this game in particular is that there are so many different pathways that you can explore and there's a real sense of mystery and I think it does require genuine effort and endeavor to discover the clues and decode the broader conundrum that the game offers up. Come and check this out. What on earth is that? Not a clue. Who do you think is going to be the favorite character in this game? I think Ellen's character Angela. Yeah she's just awesome and she puts everyone right in their place. Hey Daniel you guys I am not a guy? How are you two doing down there? This little detour is ruining my clothes? That's the headline here really? John played by Alex the professor I think likes to think of himself as the leader and Angela as a character is just brilliant at putting him in his place and keeping the young and all in check and she's super funny and I've loved watching that character come to life. We then with some rapid fire questions so I cover some things that we have not covered yet so all right first up are you easily scared? Yes. Yeah I wanted to lie but yes. What scares you? I'm still one of those people that like if it's dark and it's silent in a house and I'm the only one around I just like to turn a few lights on. I'm not kind of us. You don't know what's there? Yeah exactly. Yeah yeah yeah. Have you ever seen a ghost or experienced anything supernatural? I haven't. My last name is Polter. Poltergeist. I grew up with a lot of ghost gags but that's really as close as I've come. Never actually experienced anything supernatural. I've lived it. I've lived as a ghost. Oh which or a demon? I'm gonna go with which I think. Demons are just legitimately evil as we discuss in the game. All witches were innocent so I'm gonna go with witches. All right. 1900s or 1600s. Oh 1900s. Like there were more amenities than the 1900s. I have a few more home comforts. Yeah yeah. That's fair. Yeah. We'd rather be chased by a demon or accused by a witch hunter. I mean I feel like there's really no winning there. Yeah well if you're chased by a witch hunter there really is no winning there. There was actually no way out of that and a lot of the trials that used to put women accused of being witches through ended up in death or death so really there's no way out of it. So at least there's an opportunity to escape a demon so I'd rather be pursued by a demon. It sounds like a strange thing to say. I feel like now you've got some skills too. I being in this game you maybe you know a thing or how to survive a possible demon attack. Yeah if I got the gang together again yeah maybe yeah with the help. All right well time to thank you. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it. Thank you. Cheers.