We're in the Nicholas building and I'm the lift attendant. One minute you thought you were getting to an hour, she'd do something or say something it would just totally throw you. It was always sort of guessing with her which was kind of wonderful in a way because it was not boring and yeah one thing she hated was boring people. She was always the centre of attention and that wasn't just because of the way she looked and I remember her telling me a story about her and Selva Dordali climbing up some skyscraper in New York. Look at them valley they're running and scurrying around like ants. They're all crazy the way they're carrying on and all that. They think we're crazy but look at them they're the ones who are crazy so yeah and valley had heaps of little stories like that about all sorts of interesting people. The difference between valley was that you could approach her she was very approachable and she was extremely down to earth. You knew you were in the presence of someone who was quite, oh actually literally a maverick and if she found you too nice then she'd say you're too boring. She couldn't cope.