Well, I'm joined now by David Heap. He's the spokesperson for the Freedom Flotilla Coalition and has previously been on board a boat which was intercepted itself by the Israeli military, trying to break this blockade. Good of you to join us. Thank you for having me on the show. Can I ask you, first of all, have you heard directly from any of your people on board this vessel and if not, what do you imagine is going on there? Well, we know from experience pretty well what happens when we're attacked, we're not intercepted. We're attacked and hijacked in international waters, a clearly illegal act. The first thing that happens is that the occupation, Navy cuts, blocks all of the audio, satellite signals, transmitting data from the boats, but also satellite phones. This is an act of an admission of guilt because they're about to commit something that they know they don't want the eyes of the world to see. So when we're responding to the calls from Gaza and going there to citizens of the world, grassroots movements to meet these people who are calling for us, this, for some reason, is something when they block our boats, when they attack our boats and board them and kidnap them, people on board in international waters, they know that they don't want the world to see it. So our last call was just after 1pm local time and they had said we're losing satellites. The fact that the world is due into ashdord, pretty much imminently now. Look, the activists on board, you're one of them, you've been one of them, you're all pretty well aware, I would have thought, of the risks and yet you're still prepared to do it. I'm thinking of 2010, the Maviv Marmara, 109 people, I think we're killed on board. It's a high risk pursuit, this, isn't it? It's risky, but it's much less risky than it is the life under occupation, in particular under blockade for the Palestinians of Gaza. So these are people who walk to the separation fence every week. These are fishers who put the sea and their boats are attacked much more often and much more fatally than international boats. They've lost many more boats than the international movement. So we share a small part of the danger that they share every day, we can weak out decade in, decade out under occupation. Now since this flotilla left an all-way, I think, back in May, it's docked in 28 different ports from the way. How much international support has it accumulated on that journey? Well, this is the remarkable thing. We meet since the end of April, we've been, as you say, in 28 ports and we see this outpouring of popular grassroots support from people's organizations across the spectrum in all of these ports, demanding that people, basic rights, Palestinians and Gaza should have their basic rights recognized, in particular the right of freedom of movement, because they know that it's not right that people can't fish in their own waters, that students can't travel to study, that people can't travel to get work or healthcare, right? And they know that an occupation like the Israeli occupation of Palestine, they know that in a part-time regime has to restrict freedom of movement in order to survive. And yet what you don't tend to accumulate these high-level government support? Well, it comes from below, right? I mean, this is what we see, and all of us, the ports we've visited, there's this grassroots pressure, and it's coming up, particularly in the last ports we've been in in southern Europe, in Palermo and Naples, also in Cadis, and even Kikon in northern Spain, we had municipalities which were passing resolutions in support of us, we were voted illustrious visitor by the city of Cadis and other, we were met by the mayors of Palermo and Naples. And we see that it's pushing up the city of Kikon, pushed it up to the region of Astoria. But it's in the end. This is something that comes from the street upwards. We don't expect the state governments to jump on our side. We know that where our governments are all complicit. Our governments are complicit with the occupation. So where the governments fail to lead, the people have to lead. But it does wrong. The big question though, that if this is a people-led mission leading where governments have failed, what hope have changed without government support? I mean, it is a problem. You and I both remember the change in South Africa. It wasn't led by governments. Governments were the last on board. That was the people's movement for decades before the government's got on board and said apartheid was wrong. The same thing is happening with Israeli apartheid and the occupation and the blockade. It isn't led by governments. Governments may say words, but they don't take action. It takes people to lead, people to show the way, people to take the risks and put themselves on the line to reach the conscience of humanity. And eventually it's moving up. It's moving up towards more and more broad social civil society support and eventually political support that says this cannot continue. The blockade cannot continue and the occupation cannot continue. David E. with the Freedom Flotilla Coalition. As you were weight news, as we do as well of this boat heading into ash.port. And our second boat coming along in a couple of things. Freedom following. Freedom following. Retour. David, thanks for your time. Thank you.