Right, so it kind of seems to me again you're making this argument that act and national are quite different, but act are the real right-wing party and national is only pretending to be a right-wing party. Well if you look at the principles of the act party and if you look at the principles of the national party they're very similar, but it really is the difference in terms of what we actually do. And if you look at the difference for example in the kind of policies that national ran in 2005, we're not at a particularly bad election because they took our voters and look at what they're saying and running now, there is essentially those voters should come home to the act party because we're actually advocating for the policies that they support. But they're not. Well unfortunately they're not at the moment, that's why we've got to get our message out there that's the central place in Poles. Is there a little pity that Rodney Hyde's not standing for parliament again? I think Rodney's a great guy, I worked with him when I was at parliament working for Roger. I was just wondering if he's not standing for act. Oh I mean I'm disappointed in some sense but I think John is also great. I think it's great that he knows. Why couldn't he be a list candidate? Why couldn't he be? Well Rodney wasn't going to stand at the point that he wasn't leader and so Rodney made his own choices surrounding that. I thought he still wanted to stand as a candidate regardless of not being leader. I think it would have been difficult within the party given what happened in terms of of brash taking over from Rodney to maintain both of those two quite large personalities within the party and influences within the party. That seems unfortunate thing rather than... I suppose it is unfortunate, it's a reality of Poles. I mean what about when David Cunliffe falls, Phil Goff, I imagine Phil Goff will soon resign as well. Maybe. That's right. So what about what about Heather Roy? I mean it seems like a great loss for at losing someone like here. Yeah, Heather decided to retire at this election. She really only ever wanted to serve three terms and she'd done that and she thought it was her time to do that. But people have impression that she was pushed out. Oh well Heather said herself that she decided that it was time to leave. And I respect that decision I thought that was a great MP and I supported her and a lot of what she did. I think she did some really positive stuff. Because she was your predecessor wasn't she in the sense of the Wellington Central candidate? Yeah. OK. Now back to the social issues I guess. So the age of alcohol purchase, should there be one? I'd keep it at 18. So I don't support a split age. I don't support increasing it to 20, I should keep it at 18. OK. Heather Roy talked about when she was here about maybe we don't even need a pictures age. What do you think? So a 14 year old could buy alcohol? Well they wouldn't be illegally doing anything wrong if they bought alcohol. Right. I'd prefer the situation at the moment where we don't actually have a drinking age. So if a parent wants to give a 16 year old a glass of wine with dinner, that's perfectly fine. And I think that I agree. I think that's fine. But I think it is important that at the time that you purchase alcohol you are making rational decisions about that and that probably means you should tie it in with something like when you're able to vote. OK. So is that sort of the litmus test of the solar? So again, 18 is the right age for voting? Well I would actually consider lowering it. But I mean it's not a major issue. I haven't looked to a huge degree. So I'm broadly supportive of 18. OK. What other social issues do you have any drugs? Drug reform? What do you reckon? Get rid of all laws about drugs? I don't think you should get rid of all laws around drugs. And I think there are some drugs that it's very difficult to contain the effects of them. And if you look at the association, for example, between P and crime, for example, I don't think opening that issue up or allowing people to have easier access to P would be a very good idea. OK. OK. So in terms of other drugs like marijuana, I personally support legalizing marijuana so that to the extent there are bad health effects we can put a tax on it. But also, I mean, this is sort of quite an interesting issue because one of the reasons why I think we need to decriminalize marijuana is actually because of the one law for all message, because the reality is, it's not people like me who go to prison or get fined for smoking marijuana. And in fact, despite similarly usage rates between Maori and Puckiha, Maori are five times more likely to be prosecuted by the police for possession of marijuana. And I think that's a real concern. That's a good argument. But couldn't you also extend that to other drugs? Well, actually, the discrepancy doesn't show up in a lot of other drugs. And indeed, if you redistribute some of those resources from the drugs that tend to be used just by young people, for example, to drugs that tend to be used by higher income people, but are, in fact, more damaging to society as a whole, then I think that would probably be a good outcome. OK, this might be a good time for you to introduce some of your colleagues because you're standing for willing consensual, but we're here in Dunedin and there's two of you other candidates here. That's right. So we have Guy McCullum from Dunedin North and we have him Hannah from Dunedin South. OK, well, do you guys want to say something about yourself and why you're running for Parliament and who you are? Guy? Yes, well, I'm running for the Dunedin North Electroops. I'm not actually running for Parliament, I'm campaigning for the party vote. I would strongly suggest everybody underneath North to vote for Michael Woodwood. That would do the business. Yeah, Woodhouse, my bad. But the reason why I'm obviously making the effort to campaign for a party vote is that as a third year university student, I am concerned about the opportunities that are available for young people graduating in New Zealand and quite often and sadly it's true that they often go overseas because the opportunities there are better. They can earn more and they often pay less as well for it. And I think that at, for its principles of freedom, choice and responsibility can actually help shape a New Zealand that offers more to people either starting out after gaining their skills or people returning home. And we can also, and what distinguishes us because a lot of other parties are saying the same thing, what distinguishes us there is that we don't actually believe that we have to increase government spending or incentivise people coming back home with staying in New Zealand. We can do that simply by making a strong group car in me which jobs are having. My name's Kamana and I'm a law and politics student here in the State University and I've actually taken one of our prices papers. I'm Paul's 102. I'm running for act for donating south and again like I'm purely campaigning for the party vote. And I'm running for act because I believe New Zealanders have a staggering sense of entitlement and I believe that what I've noticed is that people instead of looking first at what they can do to help themselves and abide, secondly what their friends and family and the sort of community around them can do to help them and sort of finally to the government to see what the government can do as sort of a last resort. People just walk to the government for handout and I think that's not a healthy attitude to have as a country. I think we need to be taking more responsibility for our own choices and making better choices. That's right. Okay. Any questions from the audience? I have a question for candidates. And the event that the act party didn't make a department and like ceased to exist as a political party, which political party would you move on to? Wow. That's a tough one. I think I would be mourning really. I think I'd be mourning and not looking for suitors just yet. New Zealanders' first supporters are still supporting New Zealanders. Exactly. I think I'd either continue supporting the act party or perhaps move to the libertarians. I can't say myself supporting national anymore. But national surely is a wide church. No, a broad church, I think, is the term, sorry. That can take quite different views. I'm a fairly strong person, I'd rather not be lost in them. I think they're so, sort of, no. I think they're so wishy-washy at the moment. They're not a party I could support in concussions. When you're still encouraging a vote for them in the electorate? Yes, definitely for Joe House. I think something really important for the Tudor-Nedian electorates is actually that they're such labour strongholds that they're not really getting attention from sort of central government. No one's paying any attention to the neither national or Labour because both electorates are bright red. And I think, if people are voting for the national candidates in particular, making these contested seats is going to be really positive for the need of this whole. So maybe that's a problem with the electoral system. Do you guys have fair ideas about how to vote in the referendum? Well, myself, I personally support a single transferable vote, but having said that I'm swinging between MMP and STV as well. But if we're to keep MMP, I'd like to see electorates using the preferential voting system instead of FISPS and FISPS, which I think would be probably a more acceptable version of MMP. I'm actually a big fan of supplementary member. I think it's a nice compromise of representation for smaller parties while at the same time, keeping the efficiency that you see under systems like FISPS first.