Catholicism, you know, I've gone through lots of Catholic cathedrals in Europe and of course they're stunning creations but they're gothic and strange and the doctrine is eerie and complex and surreal and and the biblical writings are the same. You think of a book like Revelation for example but I think that the Catholicism that's the same as people can get. You know broadly speaking is that we need a metaphysic, a narrative metaphysic to hold us together and it has to be predicated on something that's transcendent and absolute and if you lose that then you'll fall for something else. You'll fall for something else or you'll fall for nothing which is which is no better and I learned that from reading Nietzsche and I learned that from reading Dostoevsky and this is the problem with the rationalists like Sam Harrison and the atheist Dawkins.