So we have our second panel now on a post-secret expression and hate speech. The panel will be chaired by Terry Sanderson, a leading UK Securitist and Go Rights activist, director and journalist. He became president of the National Securitist Society in 2006 and is a long starting columnist for gay times. So can my fellow panelists coach? So I'm a little bit sort of stuck because I've got the end of conference, fully at the end of conference of the trip in the sense that everything that I was going to say, in my prepared notes, has already been said. So I'm struggling a little bit, but I want, if I can, to try to inject just a little bit of optimism. I know we've heard some terrible stories today. We've heard horrible tales of repression and persecution and no doubt we're going to hear more. Maybe we can look a little bit at what happened in Europe when we were under a similar kind of religious hegemonism. And maybe take a few lessons from that. Last week I read an article in the Daily Telegram by a man who said that saying that ISIS was something from the Middle Ages or the Dark Ages was idiotic because it was never like this in the Dark Ages. I don't agree with him. If you were in Europe in the Dark Ages, it was very similar to what it's like in the Middle East today. There were beheadings, there were burnings, there were apostates and heretics and blasphemers who were punished by the death penalty. So it was very similar and it was only through maybe two or three centuries of resistance and dissent that we managed to get the bleeding church of our backs. We took revolutions, several very bloody wars and there we are. We're free of it now. In Europe the Christian church is for all the attempts and purposes finished. And I think that maybe we can take some hope from that story about what might happen with ISIS and the other fanatics. What happened in Europe happened because of apostates, because of blasphemers, because of dissenters, because of people who were prepared to stand up and say no, not in my name. And we've got some more here today, more apostates and apostates to religion are very dangerous people. Apostates are the ones who give hope to the others who are under the thumb. And I think the reason apostates are punished so violently is because they give a message to other people to say you could be in apostate too. And so one dead apostate is worth a thousand potential apostates who are ciled into silence by that murder. So apostates are very important and so are dissenters of every kind and we must encourage it. I wonder, you know, we get this impression from the media that in the Middle East there's a uniform kind of piety and everybody is a fanatic or muslim. We see the rioting crowds and the finger wagging mullers on the television. But what we don't see is that people in sitting in their houses feeling a bit scared, but also doubting what they're being told. We need to make it easier for them to say actually I don't agree with this. Apostates do that in a little way. Unfortunately, as European history shows, apostates often are killed. But in European history, other apostates follow them and then others follow them. And eventually there are enough apostates to overwhelm the powers that were repressing them. Anyway, I feel very privileged to be amongst this gathering today and particularly this panel because they're going to talk about apostasy amongst other things.