I get a high off of just freaking people out. You have to figure out other ways to make strong art. How do you create something that's also new? Working through those pitfalls, see from the bottom of the pit. Is that Sharpie work right there? What was it? What were we talking about? You have your husband, and I have your wife. But if you start to talk and that going to mess up our life, please, baby. You just keep it all to yourself. You've got to review. And the critic who reviewed me asked me why I um... While I was appropriate to work from these white artists, wasn't referencing certain black artists, I thought it was kind of interesting that me being black, that I have to reference someone black. I love when white people tell me I need to go experience more black things. It's so funny how race is always like, uh... Everything is kind of about race. It's a little daunting. I'm the black guy. I'm not like the black guy for most colors. Yeah. Yeah. Me and Irvin were driving to South by Southwest, and we drove through a cotton field. And I was like, pull the fuck over. And so he pulls over, I jump out, I pick some cotton. I kind of imagine this being like my job and shit, you know? And so... And the history of the cotton club is, cotton club was originally owned by this black boxer, uh, in Harlem, and then like one of those gangsters basically took over the club. And when they took it over, they made it like a fucking like, white's only club, where um... You know, a lot of the fucking staff is black and there's all black performers and shit. And Miggas weren't allowed inside, and it's less, you were like throwing the bike, some like very big caliber or something like that. I wanted to do my own iteration of the cotton club. Great to see so many friends here, and I'm drawing themselves in the spot of the cover chart. And if you can spare a minute, and you're a merry-making, I like to have the pleasure of introducing the greatest living master of jungle music. MUSIC Two Miggas go in fishing. It's always, I have to do their faces, and then there's fish jumping in and out of the water and shit. I think I was kind of drunk, and then... I think I said something about it on Instagram. And then after that, it was just kind of like, oh, so you're doing a performance? And I was like, yeah, I guess so. So we got these paintings called the Goss Dancers. These three ballerinas, and like a dark room, and it has like a salon style, hanging of a bunch of paintings all around them. MUSIC I kind of like always have a pitfall, like somewhere in the making of a show. Working through those pitfalls is how you find the bottom of the pit. It's interesting how there's like a kind of like direct correlation between planning a painting and planning a ballet. It's like two in the same, and it's a weird way. The paintings aren't really like paintings. Like this isn't a painting to me. But it kind of is assuming the, assuming the position of a painting. I always think of these pieces as like, each shelf kind of contains a bunch of shit that I would actually use in a painting. But it's kind of like a shelf of like possibilities. They're constantly just kind of like taking weird images from the internet, and using that almost like a brushstroke. When you step away, it just looks like a bunch of tile pieces of color. When you get in, you can see there's little like repeating images. It's definitely themed. You know, a lot of it's like movie old TV stuff too. A lot of drug paraphernalia. I guess a lot of just shit that I asked to do with my life. Drugs in TV. I took this guy over here. But chips I don't know. It's good to do shit that like you're afraid to do. I usually don't use the computer for much. And this stuff was like all mocked up in the computer and I put it out as a background. I think it's a little bit more like a background. At first I wanted to just be a painter. But then like you paint forever and then you realize that paintings can only do so much. I mean it all stems down to just really being more interested in the viewer and the viewer's experience of like my shows. I feel like I'm just kind of repeating myself at this point with painting. What's like creating me to make different work but it's also making me not one to make work because I feel like I'm not using the proper medium at the time. I don't think the paintings are weak or anything. It's just I feel they are the consequences of not doing something else. This dude came up and he was like how would you feel if I had a poster that said he'll have a black man? And I was like well I'd probably spit on you. He's like well I'm Jewish and I was like does that matter? So we're going to have that conversation. And he's like I'm just asking you know how you would feel. And I was like I'm telling you how I thought I'd want to spit on you. You have no right to say that to me. And you feel you have the right to say kill all the white men. And I was like yeah I do. I feel I have every fucking right to say that. How many posters were there like about like stringing up black people and lynching black people and like all this bullshit? And he's like well don't you think we're past that? I'm like no because like there's still killing black kids in the street like every single fucking day right? The only thing that were past is the fact that I can tell you this and not fucking go to jail. I mean I don't know. So I don't know dude. Yeah.