What's more, hold him, okay, let's go, Pete! One, two, three, four, four, four, four, four. Many zoos use painting artwork as a enrichment activity, as a leisure activity to keep the animals happy and occupied. Obviously we've come a long way in zoos, but they're just used to be concrete and metal cages to having very many toys and things to hang off and swing around and they're kind of painting activities as one way that animals have been kept more active mentally. The difference between two different species is that it could have taught to paint in different ways or encouraged to paint in different ways. With the elephants, it's really quite different how you might imagine it. The handler is holding them by the ear and just kind of using the ear like a joystick if you like to steer the trunk, but it displays an incredible level of dexterity. In the 1950s, a popular television program called Zoo Time emerged, made by Greenhouse Television and presented by Desmond Morris. This was a runaway success in terms of popular television. One of the most well-received moments of the show was when Congo would do some drawings on camera and this gave a body of work which was then shown in 1958 at the Institute for Contemporary Art. You could see the evolution of a particular sort of drawing style if you like that there was a change in the way in which Congo was approaching drawing. What we tried to do here is, I don't know if it's exactly the first show, but one of the first shows to look at and bring very few very specific species together and try and take a broader view over what's happening amongst a variety of species and whether we can call it art or not. Certainly I think this paint is by some hand. There is a lot more to hear and the painting by the orangutan. As an artist myself, I do instinctively want these animals to be sort of engaging in the process that I engage in. I don't believe that's the case if I'm honest, but I think that what they produce is still striking and visually it's very interesting and others have watching and do it. Here's this quite area a lot of time. With the orangutans, they're kind of encouraged on a spot by spot basis, they're giving the brush, paint gets put on the brush, and then they're told to touch the paper and, honestly, touch the paper, they're giving a reward, I think they're the other eights. It's a bit more free and they just go for it and do what they like. Touch! Touch! Good boy! I think we are asking the question, is it art or is it just creative activity? But it certainly makes me think more about looking at a human art thinking you may. Is that art? What is the intention? The animals be creative, it's the artwork as if it's the only one version of that. There's many other ways that animals can express themselves through a bird song and other vocalizations that they're clearly just doing things for fun. But it's certainly true that animals do express themselves. So that does raise the question of, if there's expression, there's creativity, where does art begin and creativity. And... Oh! I think he's got it!