I think this is a really important point because I think when most people think about surveillance they think it really rose like with the rise of technology. That somehow when we started to carry devices we became more unsafe with regard to our right to privacy. No, we did. No, I mean we've got to have like a whole reframe and understand that surveillance was always part of state violence and the US settler colonial state. So what I mean by that is that even though we have the right to privacy guaranteed in our constitution that only guaranteed it for those that were white, male and cis. If you were black, if you were indigenous you were surveilled very heavily by the colonial administration that eventually became our government. So for example New York City in 1713 they passed this law called the Lantern Law, have you heard of it? So during that time because they were afraid of people mobilizing in the dark to resist slavery they would anyone who was black and indigenous and over the age of 14 had it carry a lantern. And if you didn't carry a lantern while you were walking you could be subjected to four lashes by your master and worse. And that idea was at that time that was the technology of the moment. And it's the forerunner of what we see now when you go into black and brown communities in New York City where they do those massive lights and you can't focus because they're so bright. Anytime there's been a shift in technology we've seen it turned in a way to be able to manufacture control of the state of our lives. And at the very same time there's a consumer strategy too in the sense that we've been sold that carrying our own lantern will make life so much easier. Exactly. But we have to think about whether it's the iPhone or whether we're using Google Search, the devices and these platforms they're not really free. We're paying them with our data. And what that means is, for example, let's say you're doing a Google search and you're about to go to the women's march and you search, what are my rights? Where's the location for direct action? How do I do civil disobedience? Just from a set of questions of what you put into Google Search, you can be put into a database of people that they assume are going to be unlawful actors for that protest. So you don't need to be interrogated. You've already given it away in your search inquiries. So what do we do? Not search for that information? No, I think what we can do, and the way I talk about it, it's like harm reduction. So we know that these devices are going to leak data to people that want to do bad things to us. So we want to be able, and this is the conversation and digital security, is practice harm reduction by using circumvention tools. So things like signal on the phone can really help you protect your text messages and the way that you talk to people so that you're off of some of the surveillance grids for folks. You can also use duck.go as an alternative to Google so that you don't create like a data tract, a search engine profile. So your searchers are kind of free from Google and Google Analytics. So that's a program that doesn't maintain a history of what you've searched for? Exactly, exactly. A cookie? Or a cookie? Friendly name? Or something like so, friend? I know, exactly. And the other thing that I recommend is something like, something to protect your network access. So right now, if you go to Starbucks or if you go to a Wi-Fi network in an organization, when you're connecting to the internet, you're connecting to the internet in the wide open, what you need is something like a condom to protect your access so that none of your data leaks. So to protect your network access, or give yourself that condom, one of the things that we recommend is something called a virtual private network, or using something like a tour. So I think that combination of using signal, using a VPN to protect your network access, and then being able to use duck.go to anonymize your searches helps you be able to begin to start to take back some of your digital security.