Graham, what would you respond to the, how would you respond to that? Well, I would say that most Americans believe that we're so far in debt that their children's features at risk. And if we're going to raise the debt ceiling, we're already bar a $0.40 of every dollar. For every dollar that we've barred the future we're going to cut the government by an equivalent dollar is not radical as something we should have been doing a long time ago. And there's not a snowballs chance in hell that we're going to get out of debt, reforming entitlements and control spending without presidential leadership. So what Bainer proposed about raising the debt ceiling is just a start. I'm not going to vote to raise the debt ceiling until you show me we're serious about getting out of debt. And the gang of six, bowl Simpson hats off. If I were President Obama or candidate Romney, I would tell the public we're going to take bowl Simpson. That will be our roadmap for the future. If you like to change it, you'll have a chance. But we're going to take that up. We're going to control federal spending. We're going to flatten the tax code and get new revenue by eliminating the duchess. And we're going to have entitlement reform. And it's going to take a presidential leader to make that happen. Senator Wander, you're a part of that so-called gang of six. Some people call it a gang of eight that have been looking for some way out of this thing. What do you do you think you're still any chance that you all could come up with something that they're going to do? Absolutely. I think the 45 senators, Lindsey, has been suggesting and helpful as well. And we've over 100 members of the House. I think we know that it's going to require reform of the tax code. It's going to generate additional revenue. It's going to require changing our entitlement programs so that it will be a Medicare and Social Security 40-50 years from now. It's going to require putting some defense spending cuts on the table as Simpson bowls laid out. And we're still at work at this. And what we're going to need and whether this moment comes in the lame duck session or the first quarter of next year, it's going to require all of us kind of shoulder to the wheel and being willing to kind of take off our Democrat and Republican hats and put our country first. Do you think anything could actually happen before the election center, Graham? Uh, not really. Not really. Uh, the president. No, I really don't Bob. The president's last three budgets have gotten zero votes and our Democratic colleagues haven't voted for a budget since April 2009. So I don't see a breakthrough, but in the lame duck, we'll have an opportunity to take the gang of six ideas Simpson bowls. But for the campaign itself, I think both candidates for president should be asked, would you take Simpson bowls as a road map to fiscal sanity and pledge to try to implement parts of it and bring it to the Congress for a vote? I would love to hear both of them say yes. You know, President Obama has had three and a half years to change things. He had two years with super Democratic majorities and they did basically nothing but run up the debt. So I don't see much happening. What about that gender wonder? Well, I think it would be great, but we've already seen President Obama came out when the gang has six laid out their ideas and he said, yeah, he went on TV and said he'd support him. That probably cost us some votes amongst Republicans in the House. What I'm concerned about is Mitt Romney's position, which during the Republican presidential nominating process, where he's going to be. He said he wouldn't even take a deal that had $10 in cuts for $1 in new revenues. Reaffirming that position drives us right into the fiscal ditch. You know, Dan Ball said an interesting piece in Washington Post this morning where he said there are a lot of big issues on the table, but he said the biggest issue is not being addressed. And that is simply this. Can Washington actually govern? I think it's a very fair question and a pertinent question. What's gone wrong, Senator Warner? Well I do think this issue around debt and deficit has become a proxy for whether our institutions can still function because we're not going to get to any other issue into what we can in effect figure out what our balance sheet looks like, what's our long-term tax code to look like, what's our entire program's going to look like. And I think that there is a real sense amongst most members we've got to get it fixed. And I think there's actually a lot of common ground. There is no institutional support, though, in Washington for people to do the right thing. But in fact, all of the interest groups are very much opposed because it's going to mean changes to the tax code. It's mean changes to the entitlement programs. And we need to make it to safer, particularly for some of the folks who've been there a long time to step up and put country first. I would guess you would agree with most of that Senator Graham, but how did we get to that point? How did we get to where we are right now? Well, we had a new president in 2008 that ran on hope and change and he had a real opportunity for two years with super democratic majorities to do what Mark said. Control federal spending reformed the tax code and do something about entitlements. And here we are in this election. Nothing's happened but more debt, more spending and out of control entitlement spending. Here's what I would say is good news. Republicans have crossed the Rubicon on revenue. We don't have enough money in Washington. We're historically low in terms of revenue collected. But nobody wants to increase taxes. What Mark and the Simpson-Bulls Committee did said flat the tax code get rid of all deductions but to take most of the money to buy down rates so we will have an entrepreneurial economy and put some of the money on debt. Republicans have said in the past all the money from eliminating the deduction must go to reducing taxes. Now there's a group of us that say that if you take $4 billion away from the ethanol producers, process unfair, put a billion dollars on the debt and three billion to lower taxes, that's something that will lead to a breakthrough. And I hope Governor Romney will embrace the concept of reducing deductions and exemptions and putting some of the money on the debt as well as lowering rates. That would be a breakthrough for our party. All right.