And the rest of them on board, you know what I mean? Somebody Atlantic bless them with a with an imprint label deal. And he had his own crew and you know, like all the other rappers, you know, like Buster Rhymes had the clip mode and you know, Nelly had the St. Louis, the Tiggs M and then with the D12 and you know, Pat Joe banged out with the Trevor squad. He blessed the rappers with the name of, you know, the street crew, Trevor squad. I got you, I got you. You know, this, this was all happening while you was in Costa Rica. Oh, hell's your hell's your like I said, I, I got sent up and what 88, Joe's first album came out in what 92, I think it was. And pun dropped in what 98. So yeah, I was already me deep into the bid man, your boys are D.O.C. baby man. I was practically raised into the Department of Correction. Right. You know, you know, Rikers Island, we hear a lot of stories about Rikers Island. Rikers Island is serious. Rikers Island was serious. My man, you know, I mean like your gun had to keep going off. You know, I mean, Rikers Island was an adventure. You know, those tests that you can't stay every day. If you showed the ounce of weakness, the world was coming at you. So you know, you had to have zero tolerance. And your boy C. Rock was running the cell blocks. I will walk into the cell block, snatch the phone because back then the phones were free. So you know, 90% of the drama was over the phone, whoever ran the phone ran the house. So I would always go straight for the phone. You know, sometimes they'll go for it. You know, sometimes I'll go bang at a banger with a dude and get him for his slot time. Sometimes the whole house will rush me. You know, I mean, I'm running me out the house like, you know, there was no type to shit going on. You know, man. Yeah. But Rikers, Rikers Island, Rikers Island was definitely, I mean, I got a rip on my face. What is up this side of the face? You know, I got all types of scars from Rikers Island. You know, man. I don't know, doubt, I know, doubt. And I don't know if the people heard this story before, but you was telling me how, you know, you had ran it to two pop and Clinton. Can you tell us that? Okay. Of course. You know, I mean, I was in Clinton when Park had blue children. I tried, I believe he had to walk one at three or whatever. So I get the kite from Joe, Fadjo, send me a kite like yo Charlie, this nigga's there with you. I need you to hold him down. You know, man. At the time, Fadjo was my brother, you know, I mean, and whatever he was asking me to do, I wasn't even thinking about it. You know, that was my brother. So I stepped to Park in the yard and I was holding him down. You know, not long because he wasn't in population too long. You know what I mean? They put him in what they call APP you were something real quick, being that he was a celebrity and all that. But for the few months that he was in pop dog, I had to back the wolves up on for and Park had a lot of beef. Park had a lot of beef. Because first of all, we talking about Clinton. Clinton is a max. It's not a minimum. It's not a medium. It's a max. And I'm saying that to say the average dude in there got 20 years and better. You know, so everybody's dangerous in there. You know what I mean? Again, you're not in a minimum, you're not in a medium. You know, the average dude in there is doing a life bed. He's hiding behind these walls. And you know, the mindset is crazy, man. For those that have never been locked up, I salute you. You know, that you never been there and you had to go through the experience. But for those that know, no, you know what I mean? For those that know, no, like the mindset of you being in the yard. And you know, and you dealing with dudes on a daily basis that. And you dealing with dudes on a daily basis that got life. You know, you got to know how to walk around these dudes like, you know, prison politics. You know what I mean? You got to know the dudes, the don't. You know, like these dudes just never coming home. So if you get into a drama with one of these dudes, you got to take them out. Now, the bad thing is like a person like me, I was only doing a 10 to 20. They used to call me a tourist. They used to call me a tourist. They were like, Charlie Rock, you just passing through my man. You a tourist. We here for life. You know what I mean? But your boy was, you know, I was whole, I was more than holding my own down. I was trapping in the yard. You know what I mean? I was involved in all types of BS. And again, it's not everybody that was moving like I was moving. You know what I mean? I'm not saying I was the baddest and all that, but they do. Those new monsters going on. You know what I mean? If you mess with me or you cross me, we definitely had a problem. And what made you, you know, I'm saying to protect two pockets like, you know, what made you do it? I'm telling you, I got the kite from Fad Joe. Fad Joe, remember, I'm still down with Joe at this time. Joe used to come see me. Fad Joe will shout me out on mad albums. You know what I mean? He used to bring the rappers up to see me, pun and all of them and whatnot. So I'm still in contact with Joe. So Joe said me to kite like, yo, Charlie, I need you to hold. Let's do down and a lot of dudes wanted to get it. Park like Park had a serious problem. One was because he was a trophy. What's a trophy? A trophy is a duel with status. You know, somebody that's famous like him. A trophy can also be somebody that got the ill reputation. That's a known gangster. You know, because in prison, it's all about your rep. It's all about your rep. When you're doing a hundred years, the only thing you care about is your rep. You want dudes to know that you that do. Don't mess with you. You know what I mean? And you know, it is what it is. You know, again, my people that never been there. I'm glad you never been there. But for the homies that been there, they know what I'm talking about. So again, they wanted to get that. Just think about it. You want to be known as the dude that banged out to Park. Why not? Your reputation is a issue. You'll be known as the dude that banged out to Park. And you know, I mean, but you know, I know some people might find this hard to believe. But those want that reputation. Why not? You know, the same situation with Larry Davis and Blue Boy. I don't know if you're familiar with Larry Davis and Blue Boy. Larry Davis was a known dude to do that shot the six cops, we'll ever know that. So the homie Blue Boy allegedly murdered Larry Davis in the yard for the rep. Same thing with Park, you know, you want to be known as the dude that either smack the mob or took his commissary or whatever. You know, it's present. Do you all type of stupid shit like that? You know, man? A second, a second issue. A second reason why Park was was on fire was because he had the rape case. And I don't care if you are on right, Kassalan. If you in St. Quentin. If you in Alcatraz, my man, if you come through with a rape beef. If you if if you if your jacket says rape or child molester or any heinous you got problems. You got problems. Like I don't think you have to have been in prison to know that if you come through with a rape charge or you know, some heinous to a kid or whatever, dudes just getting at you. Me personally done banged out a few dudes just I don't know them just on the strength that they had that on that jacket. We don't want them dudes in population. You can't live. You know, the first thing you think is like, yo, that could have been my son or my little niece over. You know, that's the mindset. You know, that's the mindset of the comic or the enemy. You know what I mean? That's how it be. We don't want them niggas around us. So yes, so he was a trophy and he had the rap beat. So I actually lost like two of my doggies getting at those to back him up all park. And again, I want to reinstate. I think it was who saying or one of the dudes from the outlaws that that was down with park. He did an interview and you know, and he verified this. He was like, yeah, park told me fat jokes. People stepped to him and they was holding them down that Joe has sent us the case like this is out there. You know, y'all could look it up. No, for sure. Appreciate that. Like far as like tear score. So now, you do got the rappers that's coming along. Like you got big pun and Cuban link. Like what was your relationship with Cuban link? I mean, we was I mean, I mean, remember I went in 88 and I came home and oh, too. So by the time I came home, pun rest and peace already had past, you know, there was a fall out between the squad and everything and all that. You know, so as far as my relation with them, I would meet them on the visit because Joe would always bring his rappers up to see me. So you know, I met pun link and you know, and all of them on the V.I. I got math clicks with them on the V.I. Did Cuban link. Did Cuban link ever put you in the song? On a what? Did Cuban link ever put you in the song? In the song. No, no, no, no. Now pun, but I mean, besides Joe, pun was the only one that shouted me out on Capitol punishment. I got you in the up. What was your relationship with a big pun? How did you meet him? I mean, we was cool. Again, remember, you know, I mean, I was locked up by the time I came home, the home had passed. But I will call him on the phone. You know, they'll come up every now and then to see me on the V.I. So that's basically the relationship, but as far as hanging out with them and knowing them on a personal level. Now, now we didn't have that type of relationship. Oh, that's that's so you come home. And did you think about rapping like when you first come home or you got home, you, you know, whether I rap or put you in the studio, how did that come about? Well, when I came home, I ain't going to front before I came home. I had wrote some songs down. I was dipping and diving whatever. But when I first