Okay, because you know, even when you think about treetop nowadays, I think about treetop parrots. So I'm not thinking about another gang before that. If there's people saying, well, parrots and bluzz are the same thing. I beg to differ. Yeah, we on boss talk 101. Yeah, we going to talk. You know, you got BGF, UBN, you three, you got treetop. All of these things sanctioned and when you go in like through the system of you know, that's just like, you got it. If you believe the fallacy that's California, right? That a note gets put under your door. We don't want you that bad. If you can't put in work, you couldn't be a BGF. Just get over there with the niggas and play dominoes and shit. Explain what a BGF feels. Yeah, that's why we've been a Texas folks. Okay, that's a California thing. It's all over the town. I mean, it's like it's a black gorilla family. Let's talk about it. It started with the black Panther Party. There was the black hand first. That's what before a doctor him started, um, um, damn, what's his name? Well, I can't remember the brother's name, the old geez that really started the black hand. I went in from the black hand and the black Panther Party came up and George Fleta, um, um, um, not Richelle. George Fleta, uh, John Clusche, out of Compton. Those are the solid dad brothers and they formulated the BGF, the black gorilla family, the dragon. And they brought that in as revolutionary concept on a prison element aside from the black Panther Party was a new political movement on the street. So the BGF, so concept was the surgeon destroying. And that's to dominate the prisons to in 1969, uh, George John Clusche out of Compton. And Fleta Drumgo, they allegedly killed the police in solid and 1970, 1969, 1970, George's brother Jonathan tried to break him out of jail. He didn't come to court though. And they had the Marin County killing and they shot Richelle McGee 33 times and didn't kill him. Everybody got killed in the van, a judge, a district attorney and some, so Jonathan was 17 years old and went and took over the courtroom, right? And 1971, uh, O.C. Allen, Jesse Phillips, Roosevelt, Jimmy James, they killed the police in Owing and solid dad. They were the solid dad seven out of Compton. So they came, came to San Quentin 1971, George Jackson got killed on the San Quentin Yard to pull these killed him in 1971. So that was the building of the BGF, the Black Gorilla family. That's before Crips, that's before, uh, Bluzz, that's before Pyrrhus, they were, and before them, like I said, Captain Shahe was a businessman after the businessman, it was the sloss and the gladiators, those, we've had gangs every since those gangs before, Crips, somebody was gangs before that? Yes, you, what you thought they just popped up. We had, uh, you say, because all you can do is you being, no, businessmen was a, you, you, you being is a part of a, uh, a set that they brought up. It didn't, you be in, didn't start till 86, 87, you know, you had, before that, it was called, they had them for the Bluzz in Tracy was called Bloodline, you know, but those are gang elements, you know, came out of prison, but those are the gang elements on the blood side. Then the Crips, they had C notes, um, C notes, what was the other, well, you got to talk to Melvin about that. All you keep hearing is Bloods and Crips. So it's like, and all these other gangs like derived from that. So like it just baffles me like, I just didn't know that there was actually other gangs before Bloods and Crips. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm, like I say, when I originally grew up, I originally grew up, my neighborhood was called Treetown. Treetown, yeah, because all I streets, I'm from Elm Street, we were in Freddie Cougar out of there. So all the streets were named after Trees. Fruitown is cherry, fig, plum, so they became fruitown. The swamps in Compton, because it was a swamp over in their neighborhood, so they was the swamp area. Then it had spook time because the train tracks came through 12 o'clock at night and they were, woo, and they thought it was spooks. And they had, what Nutty Black was, they were called Boothio because they got the two graveyards in their neighborhood. And those are all names of gangs before Bloods and Crips. That was before, even from the 60s. Oh, okay, because you know, even when you think about Treetop nowadays, I think about Treetop Parouse. Parouse, right? So I'm not thinking about another gang before that. Yeah, it is what people say. Well, Parouse and Bloods are the same thing. I beg to differ because. It's a good thing you said that because when I was, I don't know how much Google is correct, but when I was doing some research on it, when I think, who was it? The ones and, what was the other guy? It was Owens and Scott, who they say that started. The posture Scott. Right, right. So. They said a little Vincent. Because it was a fight or whatever that caused. But the thing is that if those two guys were together, why didn't they start the Bloods together instead of creating one created Bloods and one created Parouse? Why did they? The Vincent and a Sylvester Scott. Right. Vincent and Sylvester, their both, Parouse is a street encounter. It's not a game. It's a street. And all this, every family had five or six boys on their street. So they were the Parouse boys. And so once that situation happened and they would cause start calling them roosters because it was red. And they would, so we were the Parouse boys. So once they became roosters and the Bloods out of LA was in red too. So they associated. It was saying you got different brands. It's the military, but you've got the Navy. You got the Army. They not the same, are they? But they are military. The Air Force don't do what the Army does. The Navy don't do what the Marines do. Pyro with 10 square miles. It ain't but two sets in Compton. Pyro's and Crips. We don't have no Bloods in Compton, California. It's not a blood set in California. But it's a blood set, circle cities in Watts. You got 30 Pyro's in East LA. You got Avenue Pyro's in Inglewood. You got neighborhood Pyro's. You got Pyro's in Pocoma. You got Pyro's in Pomona. You got Pyro's in Sacramento. We got Pyro's all over the world. So it wasn't Benson Owens who started like. Little Vince grew up on Pyro and put and grew up on Pyro. So he didn't actually start it though. That gang. They were the original seven dudes that were put the name out. Okay. I was just trying to figure it out. Because when I'm doing research and reading, I'm like those were the only two names that they mentioned. Right. And I'm like, okay, so if they were friends, like why did they just create one big one instead of having the- One big one. Because when you talk about fruit time, when you talk about Cedar block, when you talk about Campanella, it wasn't like it is today. It was just- Because you can hear a lot of crypts talking about their activities. But you very seldom- And I've never heard you cannot tell a LA crypt that he came in and did a drive by incumbent. Because our streets are so confusing. If you're not from there, you can't just come up in there and get- Because everything down Rosecrane is all pyrues. From the harbor freeway down to the 17th and in the middle of that is Santana block. Crips. But everything from one freeway to the other freeway on Rosecrane is all pyrues. From one three five to cross Atlantic, everything in between. So if you don't know where you're going, you can go east or north or south, east or west, and not get your hat brought to you. So it ain't many dudes that's going to come across El Segano, or 120, to do anything in Campanella, because it's not they terrain. But we'll go to the neighborhoods, busing, come right on home. I don't do that type of stuff. I got big business with white America. I ain't got time to shoot a black man for what? Yeah, we on bus, talk 101. Yeah, we going.