When you really want to get into doing something creative, you sort of step outside the academic definition of your profession, whatever it is. And you find sources that are that can invade and make it more interesting. I love to shop, and that statement he made, well, I'm non-retinately. It didn't mean you couldn't see it. He just meant that he was rejecting a lot of the kind of tactile, painterly, you know, traditional qualities he was associated with that profession. So over the years, we've done things that obviously abandoned what the formalist architect or the stylist architect would do. I think that all the works that I really love, that I really, you know, admire, and it's really kind of not so much what it is, but what it makes you think about. But I think it was Jean-Claude Toe, who said, well, when you first started out, they try to bury you by ignoring you, then you get a little foothold, they try to bury you with the criticism, and then you get a little bit famous, and they try to bury you by saying you're old hat. And it goes on and on. It says, finally, all else failing, they try to bury you with honors. I was like, is that face here? They try to bury me one more time.