Okay Steve, so you've written the proposal. We've sold it, right? You get your on-signing payment. You go out, you buy yourself your tape recorder. You put your ticket. Lou sets you up with Danny on the ground over in Israel. What happens the day you land on the ground? How do you become, how do you transform yourself from a fiction writer? To somebody who's a journalist that other people will actually give gold truthful stories to. Well the heart of the thing obviously is interviews, right? Because I can't make anything up. So I had a gentleman I was introduced to a retired Lieutenant Colonel named Danny Grossman who came from Long Island. Same town I came from, moved to Israel and 35 years ago and lived, you know, became had a 20-year career in the Air Force and he became kind of my rabbi and he was the kind of a guy that loves to pick up the phone and can get you through to anybody. In fact, I found as we would go through you in Israel is a million checkpoints everywhere you go. You got to be frisk and that and that and I found that the way you get through the check point is you have to be with Danny. Everybody knows this guy. So I was like, Danny, go out there. Who is this guy from the, always talk. But one of the things that I really was not prepared for, I should have been prepared for in the sense of, you know, relating to being an American Jew, a secular Jew over there was that everybody over there is a war veteran and not just one more but five wars, you know. And so that you meet a guy ordering bagels next to you and he's a battalion commander of a paratrooper battalion and he's been in, you know, the six day war, the onkypore war, the war of attrition, Lebanon, so that was a real sort of quite different from the states word nowadays. Nobody's even been in the army, right? And the last two generations, they haven't even been in the army. So and these, so these guys over there are not only are they serving and are still serving but they, they've been through amazing stuff. And of course the war is over there, not like wars here in the states where, I mean, I know you know they're showing, but like here we go to war, you get on an airplane, you fly 13,000 miles to Iraq and Afghanistan and no matter what happens over there, you come back in the United States as just the way it was. In fact, they don't even know you went to war, right? Whereas over there distances are so small and any war that happens is a war of survival, right? Because, right? If the Arabs win, it's over, you know? So you're a house, so you're right. What about the resistance of basically transforming yourself from a guy who gets to sit in his chair and you know, dream up a full-scap and write out a story and play to a guy who actually has to go get the story? Was that, did we never talk about this? No, it was a lot of panic or what? It was a lot of panic and it was really hard and much harder than I thought it was because I had real performance anxiety as I was going into these interviews. I'm an American Jew writer that they've never heard of. I have no credentials as far as I'm talking to guys that have really done a lot of amazing stuff, you know? And so I found that they've probably been interviewed by Tom Friedman, you know? Right, exactly. People like that. And then here comes a guy who wrote some novels saying, hey, spill your guts to me so like, you know, write a great book. One thing that did happen, it was kind of interesting, this was nothing what we're talking about, but I would be in interviews maybe for three hours. Like I was interviewing with one guy named Matan Villain who was the head of Homeland Security of Israel and we're in his office. And he said he was going to give us an hour, you know? So an hour kind of became two hours and we started to relax a little bit and finally he kind of leans over to me. This happened more than once. He said, you would you? I started laughing. I started laughing. I said, you know, of course I would. Why would I be here? And he would go, you call it a secretary or Rachel. Do you still have those cakes or your mother? You know, it was like the good scotch came out. So I get it. Yeah, so he had to do the two hours of bullshit. So it was great to be a member of the tribe. But the other thing was that was really interesting to me was how sometimes the best things in interviews come after the interviews, right? Because when you're in the interview, people try to out their old stories that they told a thousand times, right? Yes. And it's only later on when you're heading out, you know, to get a bagel or something that somebody really will tell you, it will pop out. Like one guy that I met, Gioron, Israel's first fighter pilot ace. They're big killers and they're a pilot who are not big killers. So I'm, I'm either, my ears are totally big killer. That sounds like a title. This will be known as the death first. Sixteen seconds, you must have the death first.