Joe Jorgensen is the Libertarian Party's nominee for President in 2020 and the only candidate on the ballot in all 50 states other than Donald Trump and Joe Biden. A recent NPR poll showed her pulling 5% nationally, which could cover the spread between the president and his challenger. According to a chorus of pundits and partisans, though, voting for a third party candidate is a waste because it doesn't change the high stakes battle to either toss out or keep in office Donald Trump in 2021. This is not the time to withhold our votes in protest or play games with candidates who have no chance of winning. Jorgensen, a 63-year-old Clemson Psychology lecturer, is running out of blend of standard small government rhetoric discussed with career politicians, optimism about young people, and of course the occasional craziness that we all expect from third party nominees. I am running for president because government is too big, too bossy, too nosy, too intrusive. But the worst part is they usually end up hurting the very people they're trying to help. She says that most of her followers are either independent or first-time voters and that the real mistake would be to vote for Trump or Biden, particularly in parts of the country where a principled vote is unlikely to impact the final outcome. I would say here in a solidly red state like I'm in, if you don't like what Donald Trump has been doing, if you don't like the bigger government he's given you, then voting for him is a wasted vote. And to Democrats, especially Democrats in California and New York, don't vote for Joe Biden, vote for what you really want. Ferguson, who ran as the LP's vice presidential nominee back in 1996, wants to bring all the troops home, cut the size of government in half, legalized drugs, and in our interviews suggested replacing Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court with someone like 82-year-old Alan Dershowitz. Though she later recanted on social media because of his statements that torture may sometimes be acceptable, his opposition to gun rights, and what she called unresolved questions about his association with Jeffrey Epstein. Durgensen says that Republicans have felt to live up to their promises of fiscal discipline. A lot of people don't realize that government grew year after year after year for eight straight years with Reagan. People keep saying, look at Donald Trump, we got tax cuts. We have that he increased spending. So the bill is eventually going to come do. He came in saying, I'm a businessman, I know how to balance a budget, I know how to cut spending, and he didn't do that. And not only did he not cut spending, he increased spending. Now we've got a bigger deficit, bigger debt. Whether you're talking education, healthcare, retirement, it all boils down to, are you in control of your dollars? Biden says, Durgensen has shamelessly panned her to voters for nearly 50 years. People wanted to hear him say, I'm tough on crime, so he said I'm tough on crime. And now they want to hear something else, so he doesn't have a rudder. He doesn't have something that's guiding him. That's true, not only about Biden, but pretty much any Democrat out there. Young people are shocked to hear that both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were against gay marriage just back in 2012. That was only eight years ago. Speaking of young people, Durgensen is big on Gen Z, arguing that young Americans are less about cancel culture and being woke and more about being laissez-faire. They go, well why shouldn't you be able to own a gun? Why shouldn't two people the same sex get married? You can drink, Broadway, and why can't you smoke marijuana? So that overall they have a very libertarian underpinning, as far as their kind of live and let live libertarian philosophy. So that's excellent news. If I could sit around the kitchen table of every American family in this country, I would win by a landslide.