There is no extra. There is no extra. I'm tied in forever. There is nobody. It's not a traditional business. It's a totally different business to anything else that's out there. And in crypto land, there is no escape. And you're building like a new paradigm by saying there's no exit, right? That's really different from the traditional space. And I'll ask you a lot about like Tronium, the ETN token, a little bit later down the interview and that we want to hear all the updates in the roadmap. Super excited about that. But first and foremost, we're kind of chatting about DeFi at the moment. And it's funny because you have a bit of a skeptical view on DeFi and yield farming. And obviously that topic is everywhere. DeFi, Bob, all DeFi is that. I'd love to hear your thoughts because you have a really interesting angle to it. Well, I'm not sure it's that interesting. It's more of a stock fear, really. I think it's like the deer in the headlights. In the early days of crypto, we saw some horror stories of, you know, out and out, a blockchain mistakes in terms of DeFi, nearly all of its running, of course, are in Ethereum's ERC 20 space. And those contracts have to be written with, you know, with great detail, attention to detail, quite often they're not. And we've seen some horror stories already with tokens locked up and and and lost funds. And people are risking quite a lot for a potential yield. And I hope that they get that yield and it all works out well, of course. But right back when, you know, we're we're old hands in crypto. And if you don't own the keys, you don't own the crypto. It's largely true of if you're one of a multi key signature set. And you don't have the others. You don't own the crypto as well. And so I'm a bit wary of DeFi as it stands. It's in its infancy. And it's a baby in arms. And we know what baby in arms do quite regularly with both parents. Something explodes out in a surprising way. And that's what's happening with DeFi the moment. It's a really interesting view. I love the analogy as well. And a lot of people are talking about the risk these days, which is great because, you know, in every bubble there are lots of risks. And hopefully some great technology will surface. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. I'm not I'm not pooping the whole thing just that it's early days and you should manage your risk. Manage your risk. But I think you have a really good point about not your keys, not your coins, because in this whole yielding kind of world, we don't really know how much yield we're going to get. We don't really know where the tokens are. Is that your biggest concern right at the moment that's kind of holding you back from entering this whole yield farming? Yeah. And yes. So there's some dangers in that respect. You don't know what yields you're going to get. So you don't know whether you're going to end up with the tokens back even. That's the reality. You all risking your tokens. And that's fine. That's what you're doing when you're putting money in the bank. Not that you get any interest in the bank now. But do you remember when Iceland, everyone was putting their money into Iceland. I had friends of mine had money in all the Icelandic banks because they were paying 11%, 14%, why were they paying that? Well, they were paying it because there was a systemic risk. And when the systemic risk came along and the Icelandic banks collapsed, they found that they'd lost their capital. So my fear for DeFi is that. And alongside that, you need to be very careful about which DeFi projects. There's DeFi and there's DeFi. And you look at some of the monster successes of, I like the decentralized exchange, Uniswap, which has just been an extraordinary story. An extraordinary story. And I love it. So you've got these wonderful things coming out as well. And the more decentralization there is, the better as far as I'm concerned. All those things are great. And at the other end of the scale, you look through some of the top 100 projects on CMC right now. You're going to buy some DeFi projects that I wouldn't put my money in. But I don't really think you should. But people don't do their research. They take things at face value and off it goes. Sometimes even ridiculous things where people tweet and say, oh, send me your Bitcoin and I'll double it. Half of the Twitter sphere tweeted this out and people fired off their crypto. Elon Musk and everybody read the Holy Cancer React and so. If people are sorry if you're one of those people, but if people are daft enough to do that, then they're definitely daft enough to get pulled into a DeFi scam. So be very cautious with your crypto guys. It's hard earned. You've earned it. You've got it. You own it. So make sure you hold it and use it wisely.