The Ted Heath thing is well the former Prime Minister, how did that story come about? Right, isn't. Ted Heath was of no consequence to me. Absolutely none whatsoever. He was one of thousands. Right? There was no sexual penetration. It happened. I was seeking out this again, shows where the authorities lie and tell lies. I'm under the care of the courts. The authorities have me under their care under court order. So in legal speak they are acting as my parents, yeah? We agree with that. They state that at the school that I'm talking about where this incident happened, though I was on home leave. Again the question has to be asked where was home because there ain't no record of it. And bearing in mind that they were my legal guardians, I stayed at the school during the home leave. Right? I'd go to Shirley Oaks or the Hollis, play up, they could handle me, I'd go back to the school and finish all of this there. A guy called Max Sharman who was the deputy headmaster said, did I want to go sailing? Yes, was he only boy there? Nothing else to do is either that or do fucking chores, gardening, which I didn't want to do. So we went to a place called Pin Mill, which was then a little yachty hay, even nothing, there were no gin bales or they were sailing boats, probably up to 30, 35 foot at the most. And we went sailing. There was four of us, me, Teddy, I didn't know he was, the doctor from the school, and the fucking deputy headmaster. I was told to go and do swimming, which I did. Teddy, he've dried me, give me a blowjob, played me, we really had me do kissing, well he was kissing more than blowing me, go on his swimming and got me to do the same to him. And that was the extent of it. I got off a crown and a fag. That was the extent of it. Stolen it didn't open, didn't happen in the open, we went in the cabin on this thing, just a single cabin. It's still bad though. Of course he's bad, but there was nothing I could do, just I couldn't have said no, although you'd think a 13, 14 years old you know. But if you haven't got anybody, right to back your corner. Who the hell do you tell? See at that time, me because you've been through that much with the rapes and the abuse, was that becoming the kind of the non that it was actually becoming normal? It was the non. Adults were treating you like that. For me, we were pieces of meat, hence the name the meat right. But do I think Edward Heath was a pedophile? Yes, I've spoken to Michael Tarrager and somebody called James Reeves. Mike Vield, she's constable of Walshia Police, who led the investigation into looking to whether Edward Heath, the former Prime Minister was a pedophile. I know about him, and I know what's happened to him since he tried to lead that investigation and lead the truth. It was Edward Heath, the pedophile. You ask me what I can say and say, say with conviction, I believe with conviction, our former Prime Minister Edward Heath was a pedophile. One other thing I can say with conviction, I believe BBC Panorama have produced programmes that have displayed very dodgy journalistic ethics and they've had an agenda and they have presented lies. And I'm happy as a journalist to come forward and say that they could sue me if they like. I've got enough evidence to support those statements.