Okay boys and girls sports fans, Dania J.D. O.D. I'm here with two very special guests, Martin Gile. He doesn't really do SAP HR, he's a pilot, right? And then we have Gerrit Pazahannick, have I got it right? Who does do HR? And he almost knows what he's talking about. Yeah, of course he does, right? Anyway guys, we're here at Sapphire now. You guys have been briefed I think on all things HR, HR, HR, HR, and everything else that's going on. Right, nice to meet you. So, kicking off with you, Martin, hold the mic, you're in the chair. I'm in the chair. So, gone, what's happening? What's happening? So obviously we have a lot of things going on on the markets we have seen here with LAS that we have a lot of opportunities coming up with the latest products. There's obviously a lot of question race and obviously there's a lot of enthusiasm and a lot of energy coming out of it. But on my side, the big question I would have to raise is regarding the transition with SAP and how do we actually merge the education side and how do we get all the good people to work with those products and actually to deliver it. So, that's the primary focus whether we had so far. The major announcement that we had in Gerrit, we probably chime on that is the payroll announcement. So finally SAP has revealed the strategy for the payroll in the cloud. So that's also a major announcement that we can deliver so far. And we're looking for some more, let's say, maybe a smaller announcement than nonetheless important in the forthcoming hours. Okay, Gerrit. One thing I'm happy about is that HR has backed to being something that's a real focus. And I've heard that several times here that from an executive level down there's a real focus on HR. So that makes guys like Martin and I really happy. We heard some good things today. You know, payroll in the cloud, when we heard that, initially I was extremely excited. When I started to look under the covers a little more, I have to say my excitement level unfortunately went down a little bit just because it's really just hosted payroll. It's going to use SAP on premise and it's not hosted by SAP. So for the folks out there that are looking for the real efficiencies and the multi-tenant SaaS version, that's not what this is. And so longer term, I think that's what SAP is going to have to build. But the fact is they're going to have a cloud solution. It's going to follow success factors schedule. They're aiming for July. We heard on Employee Central. They've got several big customers that are following SAP's methodology of not announcing their new customers, which Martin and I had a conversation about, hoping they would. But they have a lot of innovation plan for Employee Central, but we really just need to see what that really is. Employee Central is their idea of HR administration as such, correct? Why should any of your customers be interested in a solution when SAP is already the number one? Why should it be interested in this kind of solution? What from your perspective makes it sufficiently different for you to credibly stand in front of a customer and say, you know what this is something that you should genuinely consider? Martin, you try. Well, there are several reasons. Maybe in my own opinion, the first one I could think of is basically perhaps a user interface. So, success factor is basically known at least for me as a tremendous user interface. And that's what lasts on the line again today is no matter what happens behind the scene. He wants the user to be happy and working with the product. So I think first the user interface does matter. And to be honest, I'm a stretchive layer that SAP has provided decades ago and looks a bit old those days. So if you do want to have a smooth transition, perhaps now is the time to make this smooth transition and go towards success factors. But nonetheless, you can still work perhaps with the old kind of foundation that you currently have. But in the next coming years, probably what you're looking at. What about yourself, John? Yeah, I mean, for me, I think it's going to be hard to do a rip and replace example. And customers have the SAP H&M product as core as it's all it offering. And big customers who have customized that, I just don't see them wanting to just take out what they have and go to success factors. I just don't think there's a business case for that. You know, net new customers. I see that as a real opportunity for them. I see it potentially customers that may be going through an upgrade process and they want to reinvent the process. And maybe they are, they'll consider going to that. And you know, I think the employee central product from what I've heard, they have some work to do as well. One of the good things we heard is that the SAP has that intellectual, they have the knowledge on how to build this. So they're providing that information to success factors. And so they'll build that product up. They know that has to be a good product. But you know, I just, again, I don't see any customers wanting to make that, a business case to make that switch. Okay. So employee centrals effectively going to have to play cash up with the main cloud competitor workday. I mean, what are your thoughts around that right at this moment in time? Well, there's still plenty of things to think ahead of. And of course, like we discussed earlier today as success factors, as probably has to catch up with some of the technology and the hype that's going on on the market. So probably what we're looking at is some heavy work in the forthcoming months to maybe, if not already, compete in a stronger way. Maybe bypass and go higher than the competition. Right. Okay. Yeah. And from my perspective, I see competition as a good thing. You know, as workday continues to innovate, success factors will have to continue to innovate. And so they're going to have to play in some areas of catch up game. I think there's some areas where workday will have to play a catch up game to success factors. And so, you know, it's an exciting time. I think it's good for customers right now because they're going to have a lot of choice out in the marketplace. And, you know, if you're an SAP customer, I think there's some real advantages to looking at success factors. If you're a new customer, you know, I think there's some advantages to looking at the options that are out there and finding the best one that meets your business requirements. Okay. Okay, boys and girls, or rather boys on the left, didn't start think they are. I love you, Dennis. I know, I know, I know. Okay, what message would you like your customers to take away from this, given the fact that, you know, potentially this could be a very, very confusing story for them, I think. On-prem, in the cloud, hosted, all these sort of technologies led potential solutions that the company is talking about. What message do you want them to understand? Well, on my side, I would say that the key message is to take the time, make the assessment, review all the possible, let's say, a functionality is offered currently on the market. See how it goes and just take the time to make every best decision out of it. You don't want to rush things because, you know, Laos is quite enthusiastic and everything goes smoothly, but it sharries in the spot. This is the big air for a charge. So take the time, make some assumption, make some best decision, and also, I guess, probably they will have to get the funding to do it. So take your time, don't wait too long, but take the time and do it the proper way. Don't rush it. Ciao. So I think the key thing for customers, again, a lot, what Martin mentioned, is I think the Salesforce is going to come in and they're going to heavily promote success factors. I mean, they're going to say success factors under every circumstance, and I don't believe that's always the case. I think for some customers on-premises going to be the right answer. I think for some customers, success factors is going to be the right answer. So the first thing is, take your time, evaluate the options. It is a confusing time for customers. I mean, one thing that a lot of people don't realize is a lot of customers don't know success factors. It's not a given that, like, all of us, we've heard that name for a while, but for some customers that have lived and breathed SAP, they don't know what success factors offer. So there's going to be a bit of an education out, and so I think customers need to be armed with as much information as possible, and various ways to do that. Read guys like Dennis, go to the SAP Community, just try to be armed with that information to make the right decision. All right, boys and girls, you heard it first here. Two of the world's best SAP experts on HR, as far as I know, anyway. And we'll have to come back and look at this again in a period of time, won't we? Thank you. The question is, how many experts do you know? Maybe just two? Oh, I know if you'd quite a few, right? Okay, right. We'll take the compliment in. Thank you very much indeed, boys and girls. Take care. Cheers. You