We're idiot bucks are and we do a collaborative top art in woodwork. It's very fun. It begins with a design concept. We dream it up together, we draw it out together and then we put it on the wood and then we can cut it and then we can paint it. We do acrylic and then we do a resin finish. She's more of the painter and this concept. I'm more of the wood worker and the design concept. I worked in the film industry, I did make up in hair for film for quite a while and Tamara did more like cartoons and graffiti and we were both artists in our own way and we just kind of connected the two together. We've now been doing it professionally for about three years. That's important that we keep going I guess. You're going to get all sorts of different reactions and they'll be negative, they'll be positive but always push for what you would like to do, what makes you feel that you're succeeding at it, what makes you feel good. It's just a really fulfilling career.