How did it come about then that you and Patrick became friends who was Terry's brother one of the biggest crime families in the UK? So how did you and Patrick become friends? I made him in one's roof. I was in one's roof on E-wing and I was shitting out the window at someone in the block. I was arguing and I heard a voice go, he's at Poltainham and I went, you know what's that? And you know the first fault coming to my head? Fuck no, he knows who I am. What the fuck's that about? I was privileged. I know what? He knows who I am, how can you know who I am? I mean yeah, anybody long story short he got there two days before, screw coming and dragging him out of bed and he attacked the screw and he got put in the block. And the first involvement with him was a gaysie was slagging him off, was slagging his family off at the windows, a black gaysie and he went, Polt does a fiver, I went to your course and I nearly come and stuck with a gaysie because he was a right lump and it took two of us to have him over at the end of it. But that's Sarah Gotton, got to know Pat. And that's how your relationship grew? How long was that for? How long were you friends for? 30. Well that was in 84 so I worked at 30 odd years, 35 years? Yeah, this is a long time. 35 years. What was that sentence for? You were in prison for? That was for stabbing. I was nick for free stabbing in pubbing, islamin, which was yeah again, they're in the pub, they're just having a good time. One bump, bumping, your someone's seizing bumping, yeah, you look at them, they look at you and you think we film, I can't. And I just stabbed through him at the ass. No big, no big wounds or nothing dramatic. I stabbed through him at the ass and I got nicks about, fuck me. Month later, I was going into the Enfield police station to sign them for a balk case and they took me to King's Cross. Won't they? Yeah, but funny thing is we're driving down the Green Lates. I'm in a better car. There's free of unremote. I know I can hear it behind us at engine roaring, bibbing, flashing lights. And I'm nourishing me, date. In my heart, I know it's my date. And in one of them went, pause at your date. I went for blue. And I looked over my shoulder and it was in, he hated the police, hated the police with a vengeance. And I said, just pull over, don't argue with him and just ear him out. Just ear him out. And they hear him, ear him out. And they went, look, with training, nothing's going to happen. And they don't doubt that, and it was all right. But that gives you an insight into what I was brought up around where the police are concerned.