This is Kyle Platte with Liberty Me, here with Mary Ann Copenhaber, or as many people know, libertarian girl, although if those people had any idea half of the things she does, she would be better known for just about everything else. So, some of the stuff you do is in the realm of politics. This is weird and strangely contentious in this movement because most people are...it seems like a majority. I don't have numbers on me, but it seems like a majority of people in this movement consider politics to be either counterproductive or neutral. So tell me, why do you believe it to be important and why is it that you continue to do what you do in the political realm? Well, I think that that's the best way to reach out to people because if you have major legislative issues and you can talk about those issues and how they're going to affect people and that's something that's happening in real time and that's an easy way to connect with other people. And if you don't have that way to relate to other people, I think it's harder to get them to understand where you're coming from. Sure, sure. So you're saying that it's important as a tool to spread ideas. Not necessarily. You aren't claiming that it's some pure libertarian ideology to engage in partisan or electoral politics. But the fact of the matter is most of us are here because of Ron Paul. A lot of us are here because of Ron Paul. And so that works. Is that an accurate depiction? Yes. I don't believe it's working on the federal level is very productive because I think that it's so far gone that there's not much that you can do on a federal level. On the local level, however, I think you can do a lot. You can stop tax increases and you can stop regulatory zoning issues, stuff like that. And everything, every little bit helps. So I think that's really important to start the groundwork from the local level to the federal level. Sure. But even on the federal level, we use the or he used the Republican debates as Ron Paul did as a way to really make what make headway with people. I mean, do you think there are any other places as far as federal politics besides elections as a platform that can actually help, that can actually help to achieve more freedom? On the federal level? I don't know. I would say like events like what's going on right now, you've got Justin Amash down there and he is a Republican Congressman, openly using the word libertarian, talking about himself as a libertarian. And I think that encourages other congressmen to get out and do the same. And he has said that that inspires them and a lot of them run for office because of him. So I think that that's an amazing thing. I don't think that there's anything negative about the word libertarian being used in the government on a federal level. Some people have accused you of being a shill for the Republican Party and different things like that, the strange issues of Facebook, politicking, abound. But honestly, just from a personal standpoint, I have rarely met someone that is more passionate about increasing personal freedom for as many people as possible as you are. And I mean that just in a purely descriptive way, I'm not trying to compliment you though, you know, whatever. I want to know because I've never asked you, what is it that makes you, I mean there may be multiple things, but what is it that makes you so passionate about increasing freedom for as many people as possible? Well, first I want to address the Republican shill issue. I am a Republican. Yeah, I'm a Republican. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I should have put that out. So yeah, so you're registered as a Republican and you consider yourself a Republican. But for a precinct committee as a Republican, so it's not me being a shill. I mean, I will straight tell you, I'm a Republican. I think it's the best way to the best political party to get things done in because they already have the influence. And if you don't have somebody kind of guiding their direction, then they're going to do whatever they want regardless. So what was the other question? Oh, sure. Well, I mean, let's go ahead and go with that for a little while. I'm sorry. It's interesting to me that so you say the Republican party is the best way to get libertarian ideas out there. Do you think that the Republican party can be changed? Do you think it can be reformed into maybe not even a more libertarian party, an actual feasible, electable libertarian party? I think it's happening already. It's incredibly frustrating. Every day I ask myself if I should be doing what I'm doing and if it's worth it and if it's working. But I see attitudes changing. And I've never found a group of people that is more acceptable or accepting of the ideas of liberty and libertarianism than Republicans. And I do get some serious kickback and a lot of people don't like me in the Republican party and that's fine. I'll just have to get over it. Sorry. The original question though was, why are you so passionate about increasing personal freedom for people? Well, it started because of my grandparents and my grandpa is a business owner and I saw what the EPA and unions did to his company. And they were such a regulatory burden on his factory that I want to do things to help people who are entrepreneurs create their dreams so they don't have to worry about bureaucrats and regulations and the government just destroying everything that they built. Liberty Me is a lot about moving beyond the realm of theory into the realm of practice into actually practicing libertarian economically liberal philosophies in your own life and increasing your own personal freedom every day. What do you think this may take some time to think? So it's fine. But what do you think is the best way tomorrow for someone to increase their personal freedom? Tomorrow. So you wake up the night. Just quickly. I don't know. I mean, there's several things that you can do. You could move to a state that has no state income tax. That's one way. That's one thing you could do immediately if you can afford it, I guess. There we go. All right. Get moving, folks. Thanks so much, Maryann. It's been a pleasure. It's always a pleasure.