But being friendly and being a friend I think are two different things. I think there are many whites who act friendly toward Negroes, a fox acts friendly toward the lamb and usually the fox is the one who ends up with the lamb chop on his plate. The wolf doesn't act friendly and therefore the wolf has more difficulty in getting the lamb chop in his plate. I'd like to point out though that I say that because it is usually the if you study the structure of the Negro community economically politically, civically, psychologically and otherwise it's controlled by the white liberal who usually poses as the friend of the Negro who actually differs from the white conservative in in the same way that the fox differs from the wolf. Their appetite is the same. Their motives are the same. It's only their mannerisms and methods that differ. I would agree that no doubt there have been a large number of whites who have posed as liberals and as friends of the Negro and who have time again betrayed the Negro. On the other hand I think one could point to a large number of whites who have struggled for civil rights, for equality and have got little or nothing out of it. Other than quite a few bruises, give me an example. Well the the large number of white students who we have going into the South for example working for SNCC and other organizations. Not working for SNCC or other organizations but working for the white political machines will benefit by the voting efforts of Negro. I'll be more specific. I would cite Herbert Hill for example as a kind of person who has championed Negro job rights for example in New York City and elsewhere. He has fought the political machine. First time I met Herbert Hill personally was when they were picketing to stop the working on the Harlem Hospital in Harlem. Negroes for ten years had to fight the city to get an annex built on the Harlem Hospital because in Harlem we need a hospital more so than anything else. Aren't people as sick. Plus we do a lot of cutting and shooting of each other though we profess to be nonviolent and Herbert Hill brought his forces out and stopped the working on that saint. This is the first time I ever saw it. Then when work was brought to a halt on a hospital in Harlem the same Negroes tried to stop the work at the Downstate Medical Center in Brooklyn which is predominantly white. They were out there for three months during the summer. Couldn't stop anything and I never saw Herbert Hill out there one time. Whenever it takes a stoppage of something that's going to affect the white man you find the white liberal absent but it involves something that primarily will affect the best interest of black people and black people only then that white liberal is president. Herbert Hill is the labor secretary for the NAACP and if he was interested in black people he would prepare a black man with the type of knowledge and understanding of the labor troubles involving black people that would enable a black man to sit in the same position as Secretary of Labor or Labor Secretary in the NAACP. I'm suspicious of whites who join Negroes and always have to be in the lead who always have to be the head who always have to be at the top in Negro organizations. Those whites who really have the interest of blacks at heart let them give some advice to some Negroes and stand on the sideline but don't join the organization and then get at the head of it and pose as a friend of Negroes. Well I would defend his sincerity and his commitment and more than that I would say that just because a person is a Negro or a black American does not mean he's going to struggle for Negro rights or for jobs for Negroes or anything else. I think that today you could point to a large number of Negro leaders who have consistently betrayed Negroes and a whole host of areas. They aren't really Negro leaders. These are puppets that have been put in front of the Negro community by white liberals. These are parents that have been put in front of the Negro community by white liberals. You can't name me. A Negro later who has been a Negro leader who has been betrayed Negroes who has not been endorsed sanction subsidized and supported by the white liberals. Minister Malcolm I'd like to like to say one example would be Congressman Dawson for example in Chicago. In Chicago a large number of liberals located in the Hyde Park district have consistently fought Dawson and his betrayals of the Negro. They've also fought some of the people who represent Dawson on the Chicago City Council. The only Negro I know who is constantly for only Negro politician that I know who is constantly fought by white liberals is Adam Clayton Powell and they call him a racist because he speaks so bluntly on the race issue but I'm not as I said not too familiar with Dawson in his work.