There are other places astronomy can exist. There's no place else for us. We have nothing against the science or against a telescope. You know, it could be anything that you're building on top of the mountain. Our religion is very environmentally connected. You need to know your environment really well. Those are our aqua or our gods. Our gods are living touching elemental forms that are the land, that are the mist, the rains. Kahopua kani, waihua kani, kapiko kapo owa yo. Then you have the lily noise, you know, the leohus and all the mist forms and the kili hune is, the kili nahi is, that really, really, really, really are prevalent and embrace this land. Just because we don't have a large cathedral up there or an actual building that says that this place is sacred doesn't mean that it's less sacred. We need to leave things just be. I can't see anybody building anything on Mount Fuji. So why is it happening constantly on our islands? The TMT was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Every single telescope that came up, they told us that was the last one. There's 13 men up there now. They never kept one promise. Since July 15th, Native Hawaiian protesters have formed something of a community of resistance on Mount Akeah to stop construction of the 30 meter telescope, which everyone just calls the TMT, from being built on the summit of this dormant sacred volcano. We knew that construction trucks were coming. And that's when we went from 30 to possibly 3000 in a parking lot in a lava field. The only access up to Mount Akeah that the equipment can take. So we've been here for 17 days now. Please don't think that you can stay up past 10 and make big noise. There are kaki and kupuna everywhere that we all need to hear more. What if they come in the middle of the night? We're getting kind of relaxed here, aren't we? You know, they could come at any time. They might not, and they probably won't. But we are here to protect the Mount A. This is not our paena and not our camping trip. So what is the 30 meter telescope and why Mount Akeah? Mount Akeah is the best place in the northern hemisphere, if not the world, for studying the universe. And there's no doubt about that. You know, this is a 30 meter telescope. The size of its mirror is 10 times that the size of the Hubble Space Telescope. It is, you know, designed to look for the conditions of life around over 2,000 planets around stars like our Sun and the vicinity. So answering a fundamental question of where did we come from, are we alone? Just to get this out of the way, no one actually knows what's going to happen with the TMT project. In the meantime, Hawaiian celebrities are adding their voice to their movement. We're not going all the way. And more or less, the loudest voices in this, those positions haven't really changed in a decade. We are determined to be here for as long as it takes. Well, Mount Akeah remains our preferred choice to build TMT. And we have followed a process for 10 years in order to get the right to do so. So, you know, that's our hope and expectation we will. We are excited, I guess, or we are thankful that these greater conversations are happening. And we look forward to, you know, maybe Hawaii being a beacon for the world. So astronomers want to build this telescope to look back in time into the origins of the universe, of where we came from. And in a way, those are the exact same discussions that protesters are having. So, Papalulia, I mean, is the house of knowledge for everything up in this sky? If you're a Hawaiian, I mean, you really end up becoming an educator half the time, because we're always having to justify why we're doing what we're doing. And then you also end up becoming a social worker too, as well, because we do have a generational trauma that we have to work through. Our Hawaiian history, my Hawaiian culture, it's skipped my generation. So, I didn't learn the language, I barely knew the history and everything. So, coming up here and seeing our morning protocols and having my kids be a part of that and protecting, you know, our temple, it's overwhelming, but something that I really, really believe that my kids need to be a part of, because it's for them, an extraordinary shunya. Mauna Kea is not just about the 30-meter telescope, it's about a unification of a people over the most sacred. It's hard to estimate, but academic consensus is that there was about 400,000 native Hawaiians at the time that James Cook arrived in 1778. Within several decades, the majority of those people were wiped out through disease, and many elements of Hawaiian society were also lost. But one of the more interesting things that did survive was the Kumalipo, an oral chant over 2,000 lines long that explains the connection between the universe and the Earth below and how Mauna Kea, the tallest point in the world, if measured from the base of the ocean, is the meeting point between those two realms. So, we spoke with Larry Kumora, oftentimes called the grandfather of Hawaiian language revitalization. He's now giving Hawaiian names to some of the discoveries found in part through Mauna Kea's observatories, and he also has an unpublished translation of the prelude to the Kumalipo. This is how the Hawaiian origin chant begins. When fundamental space altered through heat, when the cosmos altered turning inside out, lole Kalani. The first line in Larry's translation is a fundamental space altered by heat. So every astronomer out there will recognize that, as well it sounds a lot like the Big Bang. Absolute intense darkness, it is simply darkness penetrating and fathomless. Very profound information that would have taken very billion people years, probably, to put everything together to make sense to themselves. How this great question about where we come from and how this space here has come to be is a very, I hope, is a common question among all people of the world. It certainly was for our people. Caught in the middle of this are the international scientists who work for the 13 observatories already on the mountain. These telescopes remain the most productive sets of astronomical telescopes in any place in the world, and at the moment they're really not able to work. We are at the moment sort of collateral damage in a dispute that is really much broader than about astronomy and the mountain. To do our jobs requires sending something like 50 to 75 people up on a daily basis. So to get through that initial crowd requires observatories to communicate an urgent critical need, the number of cars and people that would go up. We pass that message through law enforcement, which gets passed to protesters. What we do here ends up in our school kids textbooks, and that's why a lot of us are here. We are local people. We were born and raised in Hawaii, and we work for the observatories. And so, you know, we have to contend with being part of the astronomy community, but also being part of our local community, and so it's not fun. This isn't a culture versus science issue. This isn't Hawaiians versus a telescope. It is addressing all these issues that we have had here in our community for the past. I mean, decade to decade. It's like a very long time. It's my personal opinion that a lot of it is kind of misdirected. I wish it wasn't so much stress in the astronomy community because I do feel like we're doing good work, and I do feel that we're being responsible stewards of Mount Akeha. Even if we agree on the lot of the same things that, you know, more things need to be done for Native Hawaiians, the conclusion that we come to about TMT is completely different. Thank you.