I'm so glad you asked that because it was really an aha mathematics moment and it happened to me in the fifth grade. And I happened to have one of these wonderful teachers who knew how to take mathematics and connect it to art, music, and history, and English, and science. And I remember her teaching us this origami, kiragami activity. Origami means to full paper, but once it's folded, if you cut it, it's called kiragami. And she had a softhold the paper, she had a softhold make the snip, and I remember opening up the treasure and thinking, oh my gosh, this is mathematics, and it had absolutely nothing to do with numbers. So it captivated me and it moved me in the direction of geometry, which of course is the mathematics of shape and measurement, and that's where my passion happens to be.