My name is Sasha and on the event I was coordinating the search for rescue teams. So it's the so called head of mission. My name is Dariosh and I was always part of the Wich team mainly as a captain, not mainly, but sometimes. So tell me about the event history. When was it born and why? Yeah, in the beginning it was a, as Dariosh said, it was a more campaign than a proper search for rescue method because these young people from Berlin they ever involved in these welcoming moments in 2015 and in Germany. The goal of the campaign was to be recognized and to force the state to take over again and launch another MarinoStroom kind of mission. And it was not happening. So in the end they had the ship and then they asked around for people joining the crew that's by the both of us but also others joined. In the very first mission we managed to rescue more than 1000 people. Yeah, and from that on, there follows 15 other missions. So it was in total 16 missions in one year and in August 2017, the event was ceased. So it was only an operations for one year. But the different crews managed to save over 14,000 lives in that one year. That's amazing of course because every person who doesn't die, it's a reason to go out and do this work. In your experience, in the Juventa experience, how the rescue operation at sea have evolved that change during times the, personally I would say the rescue missions itself, it didn't change. You are a small crew on a ship and they are technically wise, it's everything is the same. The only thing that changed is from year to year and it changed often is the behavior of Europe and it's mainly the Italian state and how they repressed against us, how they stopped the ship. They every year they developed a new tool to stop the civil service queue. It's always horrible of course when people die out there. It's even more horrible when you are sitting the whole day in a court room because you have this stupid trial. I think there are two major changes. On the one hand it's the so-called urban coast guard, the presence and the equus so that they are intervening in rescues and not only intervening in rescues but also had managed to kidnap people from the boats and forcibly brought them back to Libya and in super high numbers. This is a quite major change but also these at-minus twift. All the laws who prevented ships from going out and it started the Sardini who doesn't allow ships to enter the port. Then the next phase was okay the ships can go in the port but they are not allowed to leave again and then they were stacked for months inside the port mainly because of technical administrative reasons. Now on top of this after the Qutro disaster the Piantedosity Cree who made it even harder to operate. On the one hand it's this policy of the ports so that after rescues the rescue ships are assigned the port of safety but it's not Lampedusa it's not Sicily it's way more far north so the ships need a long time to transfer to these places and that's sometimes one week or two weeks just to transfer people plus these detentions so that in the Piantedosity Cree that there are some rules and if you not apply to these rules you have put a detention of minimum 20 days. Is it true that you are ordered to abort a rescue mission in order to get back to the port and when your ship was at the port at the harbor the authorities placed some microphones some hidden microphones on your ship? Yeah that's true it was in May 2017 when we were engaged in a rescue operation with several other NGO ships on scene and after one day of full rescue we were out there. We were asking to transfer our people to a port of safety and the authorities denied this after hours of negotiations and pressure also from the other side NGOs on scene we were allowed to transfer just a part of the people and we ended up with five miners in the MSC room ordered us to transfer this people to Lampedusa. Despite the fact that the NGOs present at scene were calling for our help and calling also the MSC saying until now we see ten boats on the horizon and it's not the end so people are still coming and we are overwhelmed and we are at our limits of capacity and just said no it's okay we will send help anyway. Since we arrived in Lampedusa it was quite fast but later we learned that in these few hours the ship was backed. In total there were 21 boats in distress in the three days and the five of them disappeared so five of them three rubber boats and two wooden boats disappeared so it could be that it's up to 1,000 people which drowned on this weekend. I don't know if you can imagine how it was like because you hear the VHF radio of the other ships you hear it for hours. For hours there was a hell down there that they were totally overwhelmed. All the time why did they took out of this rescue and why are we not allowed to stay there and help those people? I wanted to ask you the role of the National Anti-Military Directorator in the management of the South and Maritin border of Europe. I really recommend to everyone reading the article from Lorenzo D'Arostino in the intercepts. So in the end you could say that the Anti-Mapha prosecution in Italy had the role to crack down on smuggling networks and they identified the Luvian smuggling networks as a new target and as a new kind of mafia. And they used the technique from their fight against the mafia and that was mainly going for the small fishes and then going up the ladder and finding the bigger fishes. So they used the Maranostrum operation to place police officers on rescue ships and doing interviews straight away after the rescue. So their plan was to use the most vulnerable moment when people just got out of the life's threatening situation to ask them questions about who was the driver of the boat and so they managed for a long time to get a lot of arrests, to identify people who steer the boat, who were holding the compass and they identified them as part of the smuggling network. Or although they were absolutely aware that these people are people who move themselves so not part of the smuggling network but they needed these moments of victory. And then when the civil fleet engaged and laid out their own rescue missions, we kind of disturbed this way of police actions. And that's one reason why they target us as an enemy. They had two ideas. The one was to place police officers also on our ships. That was one part of the so-called Code of Conduct issued by Miniti. That was one request so that they could go on with these interviews and arrests. And if that's not possible, then blaming us for colluding with smugglers and try to use legal means to stop our missions and had again a clear field of operations for their own purposes. Tell me about the case against you at what stage is the process. Good for the statistics against smugglers but they are no smugglers themselves. They are just searching for freedom for life for whatever. They have the right to come to Europe and apply for asylum, that's true. And everybody should be able to make this right to use this right and not to put his life in danger to use this right. We are charged because of adding an illegal immigration. And we are 21 persons who are charged in this trial. It's a really big trial because we are charged because of helping people to immigrate illegal to Italy. And it is not illegal to come to Europe and ask for asylum.