I'm a fisheries manager, our fisheries director for the Sonia Restrive, and I am a Ben since 1975. When I accepted the job, my father who is still alive then he says okay he says you want to get into the political business. He says you're going to get into it now and that was the truth. They're tribes, they could only fish on reservation and of course the fisher you know not always on reservation and so they started going out and they started getting caught and they started going to jail so they made a movement and went to court. We reserved our hunting rights and our fishing rights and we get 50% of the fish. The boat decision gave us co-management authority but there is no communication between the state and the tribes. In the late 80s I think we had 121 court cases. We didn't work with the state, they didn't work with us. There was actually Bill Wilkeson and Billy Frank Jr. you know that God together and said we got a stop this. I was very doubtful that we were going to get anywhere but we did. We did and we started working together with the state. We quit taking each other to court and then we started regulating the fisheries the way we were supposed to and out of that came the North and Falcon process. Our biologists and state biologists they develop a forecast and that's done in December, January and by February we have agreed upon forecast for all of the areas. Every North and Falcon is a challenge. Sometimes you have to make hard decisions what you're going to do what you have to cut back. We have to approve our final plan and then we go fishing. Everything is counted. These are the native little rocks that I've been showing declines throughout the kitchen sound. We know where our fishermen are fishing. We can tell you who's out there and who's not out there. You have a quota to catch and you have to stick within that quota and if you caught that quota then you have to quit. I love the job. I love working with the tribes and I even love working with the state. I would not be in this job if I wasn't hopeful. I do believe that we will come together and fix the habitat you know and get our fish the way it was back in their early 80s or 70s. We don't believe that we should be fighting over the last fish. We don't believe that we should be fishing the last fish. We believe that we should be recovering our salmon.