Someone asked me the other day, well, what about these dictators that, uh, you know, ruled their whole life and they were at the top of the hierarchy, let's say, and they had all the power. Stalin's a perfectly good example. It's like, didn't he win? Well, everyone's Stalin ever talked to lied to him because they were absolutely bloody terrified of him. His country was a nightmare. It was a hell or as close as we've been able to produce with the possible exception of the Nazis and the Maoists, but it was up there in terms of hell. And did he rule? Yes, but he ruled hell. And if you think that's a victory, well, go ahead and try it and see how much of a victory it is. You know, Milton Satan said, I'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven. It's like fair enough. Go ahead. Use deceit, use instrumentality, rule in hell. You'll be the ruler. See how much good it does you. See where that takes you. It takes you somewhere terrible. And so, I'm much more interested in talking those things through with people.