Could you have a farmer here? Oh dear. Yeah, but I'm not sure if he wants to get into the bit. Oh no, he's okay. Hello, how are you my friend? What's your farm? What animal's your farm? Thank you. Thanks for coming, my friend. Thank you. APPLAUSE I thought you were asleep then for a second, or is that? Is he asleep? No, he must not be interested in that. How you going, my friend? Do you have a question? No, I don't know what to say. It's a company farm. I've worked for vegetables. OK. Better spend less than that on farm. Some of the farmers who farm, they're probably the most popular. Exactly. Everybody's being able to build produce for the farm. Exactly, Rob. The problem with the different company, by the way, is you have to produce what? Exactly. The consumer's one. Then there's our cowings that we work there. Our cowings produce good food. And our cowings think they still put a scurry of do you got? I certainly, well, I'm really happy to sit here. The idea is your idea is that's why as a farmer, you have to build the land. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of farms, so our food would make it. Yeah. We're not going to say this is real. That's what we're going to hear. We're going to be here. Yeah. And I'll totally understand that. That's why my tip isn't with farmers. Like I don't hate farmers. And like, I don't know why the media are trying to sort of perpetuate this vegans hate farmers propaganda. Because it's just simply not true. I understand supply and demand. OK, farmers are producing what the consumers want. OK? That's the bottom line. Now, I talk to consumers and say, hey, if you buy plant-based products, farmers are going to supply plant-based alternatives. They're going to get into plant farming, plant proteins. And this is going to happen. Now, do I have a written out a sketch on how to transfer your animal farm into a plant farm? No, I haven't. OK? But I'm sure that that's something the vegan society will get behind and help farmers transform their farm to grow plants. Because that's where the industries are heading. Obviously, if you're farming animals, you know where those animals go. And the public are going to be like, after a while, they're going to see that. They're going to be like, well, we don't want to contribute to these animals being killed anymore. We don't want to eat animals anymore. We don't want to eat things that come out of animals anymore. Because the fate of all animals in that industry is an eye for cross the throat. Whether they're being used for their wool, whether they're being used for their eggs, whether they're being used for their milk, they all get an eye for cross the throat. And the animals aren't just aren't recognised in this. Their rights aren't being recognised. Now, this isn't the farmer's fault. They're brought up into farming communities. OK? This is their trying to make a living. Consumers are giving them money and say, OK, we want this product. But we have to look at this from the victim's perspective. OK? Because the farmers, they're a victim of conditioning, OK, of society who want a certain product. But the real victim, other ones who are going through that slaughterhouse door and coming out, chopped up into pieces. OK? And this is perspective. But sooner or later, yeah, society are going to say, OK, we don't want to exploit and kill animals anymore. Can you grow this amazing plant food for us? And I'm sure there's going to be a great bliff print for you guys to follow. The vegan society are working on doing workshops for farmers on how to, you know, change from growing animals to growing plants. So, what do you think about that? Different payments and different parts of the world. I would have to, it's not just, like, I think Australia is in a great way. It's great, it's great diverse. It's not what changed our name. No. I know. Long, long, long change. Yeah, and then we understand that too, that not everyone's going to go vegan overnight. That's not realistic. Some people do think that though, and they do use that as an argument. What are you going to do with all the animals when everyone goes vegan? There's going to be animals everywhere. No. They're slowly going to change industries. They're slowly going to be, they're going to be breeding less into existence. The reason there's so many animals is because farmers are breeding them into existence to keep up with the demand. OK? And when we change over and stop, you know, asking them to breed more animals into existence is going to be less animals and it's going to be, it's going to be something that's going to have to happen. Now I don't know how it's going to happen. All I know is I don't want animals to go to slaughterhouses anymore. I don't want animals to be used for their bodies against their will. They don't have a choice in that. OK? And I don't want farmers out of a job. OK? Don't want families out of work. That's not what we want. We want all of us to work together. Now, media want to paint a picture. And I really learned that this week. They take things out of context. Oh, you know, that's just what they do. My workshops are online. How I ask people to advocate is in a respectful manner. I don't advocate for people to yell stuff at farmers, to send death threats. And anyone that does do that, I condemn. And I condemn death threats publicly. But if these death threats actually do exist, which I haven't seen any evidence for at the moment it's just an assertion, someone's made a claim. OK? But if I do find someone in the movement doing that, then I publicly condemn them, because that's not how we make change. Through polite dialogue, discussion, OK? Throwing around our ideas and education. That's how we change. So, farmers are not the enemy. The enemy is the act of exploiting and killing animals. OK? And farmers have been taught this. OK? We've all been taught this. I was taught that eating animals is OK. I was a part of it. I was a consumer. I was paying for it to happen. I was part of the same system. OK? So that's why I'm not coming from a place of I'm better than anyone. You see, animals three times a day, just like everyone else. So, I understand all of that. But bottom line is, the real victims do not have a voice and we need to speak up for them. So, we shouldn't be waiting for us to get our act together to stop consuming and exploiting animals. That needs to happen as soon as possible. What are you saying is not all farmland is suitable for certain crops? You know, so some of them are in a bit of a higher place. So, there's got to be difficulties for some farmers. They can't grow certain plant foods on their land. Some land is only suitable for what they're currently doing. So, there's going to be some issues with it. The thing is, they've got time. OK? This isn't going to happen in bang overnight. You have time to get your stuff together and work out what's going to happen because it's going to be a gradual change. But, you know, rarely does society stay the same. You know, society usually catches up and once people see what goes on inside them places, I mean, you take me to the most humane slaughterhouse on earth. Take me there. Let me bring a camera in there and show the public and we'll see if they think that that's humane. It's not humane to take an animal's life against their will. Because if you put your pet dogs in that same situation, you'd freak out. You would freak out. Anyone else got questions? Thanks for watching.