I am the quiet one out of me and Daniel, Danny is a very volatile individual, very more than most. So when we're in this cell, let's call it a room, but we're in a cell, we're getting frustrated, we'd be calling on our papi, so we start banging doors, trying to get the attention, because they're just ignoring us now. They're putting up with the banging, being banging for an hour, they're not even coming to the door, we're two young kids, he's 12, I'm 13, we're freezing, we've had enough food, we've just been ragged out on this room, we start smashing up. You say Danny's a more volatile one, but do you think you've tried to be a father figure from his, not as B, as wild to try and tame him? I think what it was with Danny was he couldn't control himself the way I could, because I had a man called Sam, Sam's wife Neil Sam's wife, Prz and Gardt. I remember Neil Sam where he was asking me on K wing and a landing strange way, not so far back, I'm writing a book, kind of mentioned you in it, I've said you can mention this, I'm okay, and he don't exactly that, so I've got a respect of that. He's a nice guy and last year nobody likes his cruise, but he says your brother, he's in prison with some of the most fearsome men in the UK, but he says there's a 1% a prison who are proper and he says Danny is in that 1% he said that Danny beat up 10 guards. You've got to understand what it is with Danny mate, see, let me bring you back to why Danny is the way he is, we're intational, we end up smashing the cell, we're taking hide and off men, we're getting twisted up by men, this imp nonsense, we're getting twisted up by these men, we're getting battered, they can't deal with us, so they separate us, so nearly hours of the morning bang the bears to the room, the cough for Danny, six or seven of them, he's scrap them with them, he doesn't want to go, but the man and the limp, the proper batter, it's a 14, is a 13, 12, he is actually, the batter, they took him away and put him into the secure unit, so indiscipline, you've got some units, then you've got a secure unit, now I never seen Danny then until I was 16 in a YP prison, so from that age he's taken from, we split up and then I'm not seeing, we don't see each other for time, next time we see each other in a GP, all course, Danny went into the secure system, and whilst he was in that secure system, he couldn't control them, so they used their tactics and their methods to manipulate and condition him to the way they wanted to think, but he didn't have it, he re-belled, the only thing they could do with him to calm him down was put him in a gym, so three times a week from the age of 12, Danny, bydysonol, by a fellow called Peter Doolie who worked there, Scouse, he was getting took to a gymnasium, three times a week to calm him down, and whilst that done to him, was made him, big, strong, more disciplined, next time he got out of there, he had read it here to be here, and he looked like the Hulk, and that's why we used the call on the Hulk, so the next time I see him, Danny, then was in a YP unit, called all course, we hadn't seen each other for years, we're on someone stepped on one of our toes, we've put him in hospital and then smashed the unit down, smashed the whole unit, and he separated in the prison system from that day on, I've never been in a prison with Danny, so what we don't, as young defenders, implemented on us as cons, we could never be in a same prison together, me and Danny, ever, because of our volatile, we become women together. Yeah, it's like cutting in half, where he's aren't as rifless, but together it's different. Why do you think that is? Protecting each other, or I think it's where we've been through a life of violent behaviour, and we've always been together, like in our house, me and Danny were targeted by me dad, so me and Danny, me and Danny rebelled the most, me and Danny were tied to the bed, me and Danny were whipped with a belt, locked in a room, all this stuff, that's me and Danny, the rest never got this treatment, just me and Danny got this treatment, and I think when we were getting locked in the room, and when the dad's coming in to give us a good idea, Danny's jumping on his back to back me up, and when Danny's getting the iodine, I'm jumping on me dad and trying to bathe me dad. And Danny's been since 2010, didn't you even give him a sentence? It was just a case, you know? No, Danny's been in custody before, yeah, two-tenty went into custody, he's IPP prisoner, so initially the charge and we're conspiracy to murder on some kid called Jamie Stark, he was now shot dead, he got it on Jory, but this kid shot Danny, and then a few months later he got shot dead, but anyway, he got it on Jory, they offered him a deal, that was conspiracy to murder, they offered him a deal, conspiracy to possess firearms with intent, now if you're getting looked at at a 30-re, or a 7, you're going to go guilty, and yeah, so he's gone guilty to the conspiracy to possess, but if you shag them up the ass basically an IPP them, so when the goal's you're ruling, they're meant to tell you or indicate what they're going to give you, and in that indication you've said to him, we're going to give you a 7 to 10 years straight sentence, as soon as he's thrown his hands in an all-out-y IPP them with a five-re, that was 2-10, an area are 2-22 and he's got no prospect of release.