This is A&J, thanks for your company this morning with me now. Labor Front Bencher, Sid Syed, bottom and Liberal MP Josh Frydenburg, gentlemen, good morning to you both. Sid, what do you make of this KPMJ report? It seems to be critical if they were Australia, but not debunking the outcomes of the overall report. That seems to be what Bill Shorten is saying. So the findings were that Craig Thomson does have ads of the needs to question the needs to answer in the civil courts. What do you make of it? Well, not being a lawyer and just coming across this today, like everyone else, I suppose what it's made certain recommendations and suggestions about the process that Fair Work Australia undertook and we're already moving on those. There are other proceedings taking place now in Victoria, for instance. And those processes need to take place. So the report said Fair Work Australia could have done things a hell of a lot better and faster and more efficiently and effectively. But we have other legal processes underway now and they will take their course. Apparently parts of the act under which Fair Work Australia was operating were instituted by the former government. Do you think there should be any accountability held by lawmakers in the past who have come up with this scenario which has led to such a debunk? Not at all. I think what this KPMJ report has found is that there were insufficient prosecutors who were already, were investigators within Fair Work Australia, looking to these claims and allegations against Craig Thomson that they didn't pursue all avenues of information. I think Eric Abetz is absolutely right, Kiran, to say that Craig Thomson's a lucky boy because if in fact they have pursued further avenues of information, the charges could have been greater. But there are more than 150 findings from Fair Work Australia that haven't been challenged by this KPMJ report. And at the essence of it is that the lower paid HSU workers have had hundreds of thousands of dollars of their own money. We've missed you spent on prostitutes and the lavish lifestyle by Craig Thomson and he has to be held to account. Well, this is something that I put to Craig Thomson earlier, that regardless of what happens in this from the Fair Work Australia investigation or for that matter the police investigation is that the court of public opinion is decided on him. That they don't believe him. Well, that's true isn't it? Well, I don't know, I kind of can't put the court of public opinion. All I can say is that allegations are made, those allegations must be tested. We have comments by the opposition making judgments already and we have newspapers and commentators making judgments already. Alligations are made, they must be tested and when they are tested then I think people can arrive at I think conclusions that have been on the public record and are tested. As such and until then they remain allegations. But there's still taken the vote of Craig Thomson on the floor. I mean, this government is in power because of Craig Thomson's vote and there's no getting away from that. That's why we as a coalition are saying we need to have a registered organisations commission to actually give voice to the thousands and thousands of workers who have had the money misused by the unions. We want to absolutely upgrade the legislation that's in place and the over so natural justice says when allegations are made against you, me or anyone else including Craig that those allegations must be tested. It's not enough for party, but he's good enough here. He has done nothing illegal. He has done nothing illegal, but we also have standards in the parliament that suggest that when standards may have been or have gone beyond what the public may regard as serious allegations, serious allegations, then in the parliament, he's still taking his vote. He's not going up for the party. I'm giving you my answer. OK. You've made a suggestion that Craig has not done anything illegal, has not broken any of the rules of the parliament, but Craig has made the decision to sit on the crossbenches and has acted accordingly. He put down there. Has acted accordingly. Prime Minister Pond in there. Right. And Craig has made that decision and has done the right thing there. OK. And we will await the processes that are now underway in terms of allegations that is natural justice that is only fair. OK. Let's move on to the slayer and Gordon matter, the transcript reported on the front page of the Australian newspaper today. It's swapy at best, isn't it, since I bought him? Wouldn't a statement by the Prime Minister clear it up? Well, the Prime Minister, they have been no allegations of illegality. The Prime Minister has, and this has happened years ago, years ago, the firm itself has said that it's satisfied with the Prime Minister's response at that time. And when she was a partner in the firm, just seeing this stuff, I think, the transcripts. Well, surprise, surprise, surprise, surprise. Well, no, no. Well, why would you be hardly surprised? There are people who want to do damage to this government and to this Prime Minister. And these people go about their business and then others take it up. And it's presented right through the media, both social media and the more mainstream media. And people want to drag this stuff up to do damage. I want to admit that that's the type of performance that's in the United States currently and is now making its way into Australia. This is 17 years ago, no illegality, the firm themselves have made that statement. Right, that's the end of the response. Well, you know, so this is much to do about nothing to be done. Well, Peter Gordon has said the senior former senior partner did say as it has alluded to that he believed at the time that Julie Gillard, as a singular point, deserved the benefit of the doubt. Well, Rob McLellan, the former attorney general upon our visit in the Gillard government, was the one who put this out there on the public records. So this is definitely blue and blue. But it doesn't matter if it's the slater and Gordon allegations or the sorted Craig Thompson allegations, or the backroom deals to get Peter Slipper in the chair, or the character assassination of Kevin Rudd. This is a, I'm torn, this is a rotten, this is a smelly government, Kiran, and it's time it's got to go. It is the base-to-democracy, see? What you've been getting up to is absolutely the base-to-democracy. And this is just another allegation that's actually been put out there by your own side that makes everybody in the public lose confidence in this minority. You know that it was put out there. This is in the Australian newspaper. Well, the Australian newspaper has been following it up. But it was actually Robert McLellan, the attorney general, in the Gillard government, who actually went out under parliamentary privilege, went public with this information. He's the one who put it out there, see? You can't deny that. I think what we've got here is a classic example of it's a little bit like the economy. You've got an opposition who are determined to be negative. Well, it is. You just have to listen to the language you've just used then. And when you look at the facts, it's like the economy. You've got an opposition who are determined to talk the economy down, to talk the government down, to talk to Julia Gillard down. And that's demonstrated by the Bible, and the House is demonstrated by the Bible. And by the House and by the House is the use of his language and these images and the framing that they use, this is the end of the world, in Australia. Who is attacking in Tony Abby yesterday? For a so-called the attitude towards women. You're a side. I mean, let's not pretend that you're not playing the man the whole time. We don't need to. You can be playing the man the whole time. It's a behavior. And television camera can show you that behavior in the House as well. So, you know, this silly talk in Australia, people must be absolutely pulling their hair out. This is the commentary that we're dealing with at the moment. When it actually, in fact, if you look at the record after two years, a strong economy, one of the best in the world, well, it is, Joss, and you had a card to know, and all we've had from you, Blake, is no, no, no, negativity. And then the language you use is just what you were just heard on this program. Josh, to wrap up, we're only going to have about 50 seconds left. Well, we'd bequeath this government a great economy. We let you $70 billion in the bank and no government debt. You're a half a paying 96 billion years in the US. Of Labor debt. That's now led to a position where we've got $145 billion debt. The interest of life would pay for an NDIS. This government is terrible in terms of a technological management and it's even worse. And you've got a $70 billion black hole, Joss. We can't even fill that hole in. Let no carry on with the language. We don't have that positive note. I wonder if we just wrap up the conversation. So it's like what of Joss phrase that takes care of things for you. So that's all frame agenda. The news is next as well as we don't have a live coverage a little bit later in the hour of Terry Nassios from that fair word Australia is going to be before a parliamentary committee here at Caveris Parliament. House on $45 so we'll have live coverage of that as well. So stay with us.