Mayor Campbell's view is that the police are to be commended. The 16-year-old Ontario youth who claimed that the police broke his leg with their sticks and that he was told to get up or you'd have his other leg broken, doesn't agree. And his mother have lost the lawsuit. I asked the mayor how he could ignore the dozens, even hundreds of reports about police behavior. We did a most commendable job. Pictures I've seen in the local press, a lot of discussion of using riot sticks with one hand. The pictures I saw showed them always in two hands. There were dozens of photographers down there. If there had been any police brutality, those pictures would have spread across those front pages. They weren't there because the brutality wasn't there. Well, there's television film, a police whacking people across the head and so on with these vests which you yourself said you would pay for. If council wouldn't bring them in. Yes, but perhaps that file that was getting whacked over the head had just thrown a paving brick at that officer. And perhaps he hadn't. Well, I mean, you show your part of the film. The officer certainly must have had a reason for doing it. There were some 53 people charged. You can't tell me that they're all innocent. What do you say to Oldman Sweeney who's been one of your chief supporters? I mean, now one of your chief critics. He told me by a long distance phone today that it's a pity that the chief magistrate of this city is going around promoting violence. Well, I'm not that promoting violence. I hope that violence will go away. That's the last thing I want in Vancouver is violence. But I laid it right on the line that Vancouver is going to be a clean city. That we're not going to close our eyes to drag hard or soft. That we expect the merchants to accept their responsibility. And if they won't, the police will have to take the food to do whatever is necessary. And if that means arrests, and that means undercover work, we're prepared to do it and we'll do it. And I'm sure that Oldman Sweeney will fully support law and order. Don't you consider that Vancouver has no graduated to the American pattern of violence? You know, the policeman with violence is the long sticks, the confrontations, and so on. Are you proud of that? No, I'm not. But I think that Vancouver, as a major city on the North American continent, has the least of all of violence. Our universities are good. We have the all right here. We may have had two, three, maybe four in the last four or five years, which is a pretty good record for Canada's third largest city. There were about 1,200 people in the gas town in May, most of them were just out to see the sights. And many I talked to will never forgive either the police or the mayor for what happened. The Vancouver province newspaper has accused the mayor of intellectual vandalism and says that if only the Oldman could lock him up for a while, further trouble might be avoided. But judging from the hotline programs, Tom Campbell still tombed terrific to thousands.