What do you think the mentality behind that the men in the relationship is? I just know that you know a lot of my listeners can't fathom the idea of you know when we talk about like dating and porn and like people having open relationships or sleeping with other people and I think especially think the swinging thing they think like I would never allow my girlfriend or wife to have sex with another man like that's crazy so emasculating that's you know disrespectful whatever so what do you think the mentality is for the men that requests you to come have sex with their you know what I think it is at least or at least in the situation I was in these were couples who were really engaged in making sure each other was happy you know and whether it was the husband the older husband the younger wife who just wanted to see their better half happy having fun and if you know having sex with a guy a well-endowed guy is what's making her happy he's happy so all those situations I've never seen the one where it was like no way I'm sure they're out there but the ones that I got involved with it was all about just making their sex life you know better you know and they would let's find never had a problem with the you mind if we record no go ahead do you think because there would be couples that I would see again and they'd say man we we watch this video every night you know and I'm like wow really yeah we check it out all the time and we she still loves it I love it so and I've had so many experiences like that you know so it was always a good good thing I mean but I could definitely see how you know some guys would be there's no way I'll have you having sex with another man especially me sitting there watching never so I could see it but I never really encountered that yeah I think it's you know I mean sexuality is one of those things that so varied and so different for so many people and I think that a lot of men fall into that trap of ownership right where they feel like their their wife is almost like their property yes though you know she can't be defiled by another man right she belongs to them and that's just I mean my parents were swingers so you know and they are still together you know have three children and very like healthy family relations so and I met so many swingers doing that show that I mentioned earlier and just you know my time in the industry and I have found that a lot of times these couples have like a really great sense of communication and like care for each other that isn't necessarily present in other relationships yeah because they're so open so open about making each other happy and even just talking about sex so many people don't talk about sex right right you know much less like explore different ideas of like what might make sure each other happy yeah I think a lot of regular couples took a page out of the lifestyle handbook I think they would benefit from it because a lot of times like you said it's not really discussed that much and the moment you know somebody thinks the other half is up to something it opens up a whole can of crazy which is totally going on in the world nowadays but yeah no I think that it would be advantageous for a lot of couples to kind of because again that openness you know it goes a long way with relationships so yeah I mean you see so many people you know the relationships and in a lot of times it's yeah fights over sex you know or you know man cheating or woman cheating and you know it's just so often boils down to just like people not talking to each other about what they want right and then it kind of like claws its way to the surface in some unhealthy way