I think farmers are having to think about how do they start with managing biodiversity on their farm. What should they do with the outset? I think the first thing is to have some understanding of what you've got on the farm, understanding of what forest remnants or wetlands, what's in your stream. So that might be working with others who know about biodiversity or using some of the tools like environmental DNA to sample your streams. And I think the other thing I do at the outset is to do some total monitoring. Just get a bit of an idea of where you are now. So when you look at it in 10 or 20 years time, you can see it has the forest expanded, it has the wetland, it's got a bigger hazard restoration plan and planning added value to your farm.