Good morning, John. In your last video, you were talking about how sometimes huge shifts in global power structures result in short-term catastrophe. And that made me think about how deeply wonderful it is that we have gotten through the last 73 years as a nuclear species without completely destroying ourselves. There are 195-ish countries. Only nine of them have access to nuclear weapons. North Korea, with a per capita GDP of $1,300, has proven that you don't have to have a ton of money to have a nuclear arsenal. So why? Why? Why? Don't more countries have nukes. This seems, frankly, like a tremendous success, one that should be celebrated and studied and talked about and fredded over maintaining. So, let's talk about why more than 73 years after the development of the first nuclear weapons, so few countries have access to them. Kaviat. I am not an expert in international relations, though I did talk to some of those, and I recorded one of them as an interview that's on Hanks channel right now. But I will not be going deep into any of this. This is something that lots of people study for their whole lives. The Wikipedia page on a Rams nuclear program by itself is more than 20,000 words. You can, I think, say a lot with some broad strokes. Let's start with the list in order. The US tested its first nuclear bomb in 1945. The USSR followed in 1949. The UK in 1957. France in 1960 followed by China in 1964. That was a big spurt, and it will become important later. Israel definitely has secret nukes and may have had them as early as the 1960s, but they've never tested one or admitted to having them. India developed nuclear weapons in the 70s. South Africa built, but probably never tested fission bombs in the 1980s before dismantling them. In 1991, three countries briefly had nuclear weapons, because when they started existing, they already had them. Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan all had nuclear weapons when the USSR collapsed. In 1994, they gave all those weapons back to Russia in exchange for assurances that Russia would never challenge their borders, which seems to have turned out just fine. Pakistan surprised the world with a nuclear test in 1998, and North Korea's first test was 2006. If we look at it in volume, the US and Russia, now Russia, not the USSR, have the vast majority of nuclear weapons. Everyone else is pretty much tied for last, except for North Korea, which is extra last. And this isn't to say that other countries haven't tried. There have been nuclear programs in Brazil, Argentina, Libya, Iran, Taiwan, South Korea. There are more states that have tried to get nuclear weapons than there are states that have them. The story of why is complicated. We're going to start with the 1960s when there was that big spurt in new nuclear powers ending with China. That was seen rightfully as scary, possibly especially because it ended with China, a country that was Europeans were like, well, that's not a European country. Because people aren't white and also, Mao Zedong is pretty scary, dude. Countries were exploring nuclear programs just because their neighbors were, and if they didn't know their neighbor wasn't, they were going to do it. And the international community was realizing that this was going to result in a fully nuclear world. But a lot of people in the 60s didn't see this as unusual or scary. It was like, okay, well, there have been new weapons before. There's a new weapon again. And the major militaries are going to have access to this weapon. An arms race was going on, and people were realizing that as destructive as the bombs dropped in Japan were, they were only a fraction of what could be done. The Cold War started raging. People were building bombshells, or students were having drills in their schools. And I think the world was kind of realizing what it would be like to have a world war with nuclear powers on both sides. So some countries got together at the UN to create a treaty that said, hey, look, stop. Everyone signed this piece of paper saying that if you don't already have nukes, you will not pursue nuclear weapons programs. And over the years since, every country has been like, actually, yeah, except for India, Pakistan and Israel, who basically just texted the UN one of those shruggy emoticons. All of those countries, though it took varying amounts of time subsequently developed nuclear weapons. The only country to have withdrawn from that treaty, North Korea. So if you've signed that treaty, it's literally against international law to develop nuclear weapons. But you don't have to sign the treaty as South Sudan proved when it became a country in 2011 and did not sign the treaty at least yet. So why do countries sign it? And why does so few countries have nuclear weapons? Let's do a list. One, it's freaking expensive to purify uranium 235, though it is getting cheaper. Two, it is also expensive to have the whole international community not buy anything from your country and not sell anything to your country. So that raises the price of violating that treaty. Three, it's generally good to be like a productive member of the international community and to just agree with the things that everyone agrees with. Four, international laws against selling nuclear materials except in very specific circumstances have actually been really successful. Number five, the United States has traditionally had a lot of really good relationships with its allies and has promised to protect them with its giant arsenal of nuclear warheads. Number six, the 73 years since World War Two have been remarkably prosperous and peaceful. Seven, we got very, very lucky. There's no guarantee that if we somehow ran this experiment again, that we would end up being in such a good situation. And finally, number eight, for those and also many other reasons, including humanitarian ones, most countries don't want nuclear weapons. They just don't want them. International relations experts talk about a norm against nuclear weapons. They're seen as taboo. As if developing a nuclear weapons program is kind of seen as like waiting into the muck. And if you look around at the people who are creating these weapons programs in recent years, it is, it's kind of a mucky place. I was surprised when I started researching this video that South Africa had a nuclear program. Why did that happen? Because they were being ostracized by the international community for having an explicitly racist government. Unfortunately, the main tool we have to discourage countries from developing nuclear weapons can sometimes force them even deeper into that muck. A country, whether that's the leader or its people or both, are only going to want to develop nuclear weapons right now if they are feeling threatened by the international order. And that happens when the country is some combination of unstable, autocratic, or has bad relationships with its neighbors. And I'm not saying that like we should do it a different way. I don't know. But sanctioning countries does hurt their economies and further isolates them from the benefits of being part of the international community. And of course, the people who are hurt most by sanctions aren't the leaders in government policies unless there's some kind of revolution. It's the poor. And the more unstable and disconnected they are, the easier it is to tell a story about how the whole world is out to get them and they need to protect themselves. And that is how countries like North Korea and its feared maybe someday Iran slip through these cracks. So then we end up in a world where all the new entrants to like the nuclear club, which is a weird one to be in, not that I'm not, are the least stable countries. Both because sanctions somewhat maybe destabilize them, but also because stable countries who are productive members of the international community don't want nukes. Why would they? They're expensive. They're illegal. They're hard to maintain. And they don't provide clear benefit. And that one is so important, even though I put it on my pinky finger, which is little. Because that's only true unless there are clear benefits to having nuclear weapons. Like increased legitimacy and access and power, unless the world becomes less stable and citizens of a country feel that they need to protect themselves. Unless long-standing alliances that have held the world together for a long, long time start to erode, unless international law becomes less powerful, unless the work of generations of experts is not respected and upheld and continue. The barriers to making nuclear weapons are falling and the penalties for doing it are becoming less effective. But if there are countries that want nuclear weapons, it's going to be easier for them to get them. And so the path forward maybe is to do what we've been doing, which is to create a world where there are less benefits to having nuclear weapons. And so the list of countries that want nuclear weapons is short, not because they're afraid of being penalized, but because there's just not a lot of advantage to having them. Building that world was a complicated process that involved a lot of compromise and a lot of hard work by good people. Like lots of them. Lots of people working hard together. As like any relationship, global relationships are lots of work. And while we often only see the failings, these decades of non-proliferation and a world in which nuclear weapons have only been used two times during war, which I recognize was done by my country, that's a remarkable testament to people working together. That's not to say that we didn't screw up at all during those 73 years, and it's not to say that we didn't have some terrifying near misses. That we have gotten this far is one part luck, one part hard work by thoughtful people dedicated to peace and stability, and one part even more luck. And I just want to say thank you to the people who have worked on that, however you worked on it. That's remarkable. And also like dang, thanks. And I worry that since it's been a fairly good 73 years, we may be getting a little complacent. Maybe are forgetting how hard we worked for this outcome, how bad it could have gone, and how much we need to keep working to keep this stuff together. Because I'm not saying it couldn't have gone better, but we have done remarkably well. John, I'll see you on Tuesday. Unless. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Thank you to Catherine Gill and Jeffrey Lewis for consulting with me on this video. You can see my interview with Jeffrey over on Hank's channel. It was a good time. It's about half an hour long. We have lots of good chats. If you're interested in learning more about something completely different, that is also in the news. We have a data series on the US court system over on youtube.com slash Complexly, which is Complexly's new YouTube channel just for our production company where we can try out new things and have a bit of a playground. All right. Bye-bye.