Now there's a segment of these chats you may have heard of it. It's called overrated or underrated. So I'm going to call out a few names, books, whatever you're free to decline. If you don't want to offend anyone or other reasons, but we'll try just a few and you tell us overrated or underrated, JK Rowling. As a writer, I feel perhaps overrated. But as a cultural phenomenon, I think perfectly fine. I mean, it's hard to say underrated because she is sort of a naples ultra of children's writing. So... Gertr, overrated or underrated? Especially in English, absolutely underrated. Gertr is a far more significant author than anybody here seems to realize. And the TLS just has a review of a new Princeton anthology of the essential Gertr, the 1000 pages. And you know, you can't stuff him into a thousand pages because there is so much there. And so much variety too, which is also one of the astonishing things. He's the greatest poet of the times, the greatest dramatist of his times. And he was astounding novelist as well. And a scientist, a good scientist. Yes, yes. And the conversations with Ekaman and so on, you know, you have all these different things, which are just superior literary. So in English, he's vastly underrated. In Germany, I think they get it. They know. On kilomerical, underrated or overrated? I actually have not ever read it, by actually. No, not as a writer, as a political leader. Again, it probably depends where I admire her. I think among the political leaders currently operating in Europe, and especially since we're speaking shortly after, the whole Brexit vote and the turnover that happened in England there, I think she's probably underrated. Herman Melville. Probably also underrated. I, we're agreeing on all these so far. If you're curious. All right. Yeah, I think people don't also range far enough with Melville. I always, I always, when the argument of the Great American novel comes up, I always make a plug for the confidence man, which I think is sort of representative. It says so much about America, but I think that, that would be my choice for the, the Great American novel. And especially from Melville. But yeah, I think he's also underrated. Thomas Bernhardt. Well, he's very fashionable, but also I don't think he can be underrated. I'm also completely behind him. I think he was a remarkable author. I've always enjoyed, even though there's a droning similarity to much of his bitter ranting. Completely wins me over. And I don't think I've been disappointed by any, any Bernhardt. Bittkinchnein's nephew is my favorite. And then the loser did Ohm Deguer. Yeah. But all of them, I think, are fantastic for me very underrated. Another Austrian Friedrich Ahayek, the economist. Again, you're free to pass. Yeah, I, well, he's, he's, I, I perhaps don't like what he, his arguments are always employed for. I mean, currently he's obviously a very popular economist to rely on. And I think it gets a dangerous with, you know, the interpretation of the philosophy. So I'm a bit more livery of too much enthusiasm for him. But again, obviously such a significant figure that's very difficult to underrate him. I think. So for fiction, what would be the country or region? Now, what's the country? What's the region? It's even up for grabs. But that is really underappreciated relative to what it has done. So if you say, oh, classic Russian fiction, even if people haven't read it, when people know there's a lot there, right, probably wouldn't pick that. So what's the counterintuitive pick for most underrated region or country? For a wonderful fiction? Underrated, I would absolutely think the regional language literature of India. I think surprisingly, even though India is perhaps the main literary, English is the main literary language of India. A great deal is locally translated. Even there, much of the vernacular literature still isn't available in English. And what one can see of it, and also, in part here about it, we're missing an awful lot. I mean, there is a literary culture there, especially, for example, in Bengali, but we've had that since Tagore. And one of the remarkable things is even, you know, Tagore won his Nobel Prize over 100 years ago. And there's still novels by him, which haven't been translated into English. And he's really a very good novelist. And it's, I guess, truly worthwhile. And this goes for many regions of the southern region of Kerala, where they write in Malayalam, Malay Malayalam. It's a remarkable literary production there. And we just see so little of it. And so, and it's also what is available, because a fair amount is, it tends to be underappreciated, especially in American, you know, in Kingdom. So it hasn't really reached these shores. And would you pick any part of the world as overrated for literature? In a way, I know you think it's all underrated, but in relative terms. I think the American dominance is still too overbearing worldwide. So we agree on this, too. I'm happy to hear you say that. But go on. Yeah, no, I think it's just, it's American literature is too often given a free pass, especially abroad, because we're so used to it being so dominant. And so I really think if any is overrated, it is American fiction. Most of it boars me. And like one of my pieces of advice for people going to a bookstore, I would just say don't buy an American novel. All other things equal, because they're fairly likely to do so. They're more likely to have heard of it without any kind of bias necessarily operating. Just refuse to buy American novels for a year. I think it's a good piece for a nice fellow. That's probably it. Yes, probably.