New Gingrich is a man that I've met several times. I've had dinner with him when we were in Washington DC He seems like a very nice man. I don't know we we're not buddies But I have been around him enough to know that you know He's a he's an honest guy decent guy that has always shot straight with me. I want to make sure that You understand and that he understands that this is not a gotcha interview. I have serious concerns with New Gingrich But it's not a gotcha interview. This is just I'm asking questions because I Truly deeply care about the country just as much as New Gingrich does But we differ on the Answers I believe I'd like to have him convince me that I'm wrong. I would love to have him convince me that I'm wrong Mr. New Gingrich how are you sir? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm very good Let's start with let's start with a piece of audio here Where you were talking about health care and You went down the progressive road with theodore Roosevelt and for government to not leave guarantees that you don't have the ability to chase there's no private corporation as the purchasing power or The ability to reshape the health system and in this sense I guess that the theater or Rosalore public And in fact if I were going to characterize mine on health where I come from Theodore Rosalore public and then we've got the lead and the regulatory leading is okay Regulation and the government scares the crap out of me and I think most Tea party kind of leaning Conservatives and theater Roosevelt was the the guy who started the progressive party How would you characterize your relationship with the progressive ideals of theater Roosevelt? Well, it depends on which phase of Roosevelt you're talking about By 1912 he's become a big government centralized power Advocate to what is a third party candidate But for example the Roosevelt advocated the food and drug act After he was eating and this is a supposed story after he was Eating sausage and eggs while reading up to some players the jungle which has a scene in which a man falls into a In fact at the sausage factory and becomes part of the sausage and If you go back to that era where people had this little dealing with the Chinese with the people had Adulter at that doctor food they put all sorts of junk and food the you know I was a child. We lived in Europe and I always marveled at the fact that American water is drinkable virtually anywhere So there are there are minimum regulatory standards of public health and safety That are I think really important. Okay, so you're you're a minimum regulation guy on making sure that people don't fall into the Vats of What what what what I'm against is the government trying to to Implement things because bureaucracy such a bad implementer and I'm against government trying to pick winners and losers I mean that there's no accident that this Smithsonian got $50,000 to admit the airplane and failed and The from the Congress and that the Wright brothers invented the airplane because okay, and so that's it all but but I do think you know I think almost everybody looks to this we agree You want to make sure for example if you buy certain electric things That they don't start fires in your house. Oh, okay, that's that kind of thing. Well, you're not into picking winners and losers So you would not have done the G.M. bailout no no, absolutely not I think I think they would I would think they would be better Off today You know you can have you can have a bankruptcy for reorganization not for liquidation right but you are Through reorganization bankruptcy that have been much better off the day, but you but you Have selected a winner when you are for quite strongly the ethanol subsidies Well, you know if that's just a question and when Obama suggested eliminating the $14 billion a year in sending for exploring for oil and gas Everybody in the oil patch because against subsidizing ethanol jumped up and said oh you can't do that if you do that You're gonna wake up 80% of exploration which is all done by small independent companies not by the majors I support it I favor you and send if you go out and find more oil and gas. Well, that's a tax upset It's a bigger tax substance substance and ethanol ever got But I want American energy to drive out Saudi Arabia and an Iranian and Iraqi energy and Venezuela energy And so I am for all sources of American energy in order to make us not just independent But to create a reservoir so that if something does happen in the Persian Gulf on the streets of almost The world's industrial system doesn't doesn't crash into a deep depression Why would we why would we go into subsidies though? Isn't it aren't subsidies? Really some of the biggest problems that we have with our with our spending and out of control Picking of winners and losers. Well, depends on what you're subsidizing and the idea of having economic incentives for Manufacturing goes back to Alexander Hamilton's first reporter manufacturing which I believe is 1791 We have we have always had a bias in favor of investing in the future We built the transcontinental railroads that way The Erick and Owl was built that way when we've always believed that having a strong infrastructure and having a strong energy system Are net advantages because they made us richer and more powerful than other countries of the world But what I object to is subsidizing things that don't work and things that aren't Creating a better future and the problem with the modern welfare state is it actually encourages people to the wrong behaviors It encourages them not to work because it's not to study all right You said if you were a fiscal conservative who cares about balancing the federal budget There may be no more important bill to vote on in your career than in support of this bill This was what you said About about a new entitlement Medicare prescription drug program Which also included Medicare advantage and also included The right to have a high deductible medical savings account Which is the first step towards moving control over your health dollars back to you And I think it was a very important distinguishing point but on the drug benefit my position is very straightforward If you're going to have Medicare, which is created in 1965 And it was created a time when frankly drugs didn't matter there weren't very many breakers at that point To take a position that we won't help you with insulin, but we'll pay for your kidney dialysis Is it is both bad at a human level and bad at financial level kidney dialysis is one of the fastest growing centers of cost And we spend almost as much annually on kidney dialysis as the entire national Institute of Health research budget It's about 27 billion dollars a year right now If we say to you we're going to pay for open high surgery, but we won't pay for lipitor so you can avoid open high surgery It's both bad and We'll be the source to just bad financially aren't so but aren't we aren't you starting with a false premise here if we if we're going to have the the Johnson act then Well, then we should do this isn't that starting with a false premise shouldn't we be going the other direction instead of building on Which is why which is why they had both Medicare at bad things which is the first Towards diversity and choice in Medicare and it's why they put in the health savings account model Which is the first big step towards you being personally in charge of your own savings And I think that's that's a Your points right question is how do you manage the transition so it is so it is politically doable And I added but but you believe and no offense, but you believe Voting for something that is you're trying to transition into smaller government by Also supporting a bill that has in it a a gigantic giveaway Well, you've already given away that's my point. I mean I don't I don't see how you won defense Not having The ability to avoid the requirement for surgery Which is what this is all about and the question is can you live longer and more independently and more healthily with The drug benefit then without it and I think that if and you can make your I won't you we should abolish Medicare A you won't you won't win that in the short run. She's gonna have Medicare and the question in the short run is So do you have a system that basically leaves people with bad outcomes? Oh Do you want to interact maximize how long they can live and how and how independently they can live? Sorry That's just a fundamental difference GB TV the truth lives here