I think when farmers start thinking about how they're going to build biodiversity and their farm management, I think the first thing they need to do is to know what they've got, to actually understand what biodiversity they have. They don't need to know every single plant or fish or insects on the farm, but to have an idea of what are the major habitat types, wetlands, forest remnants, what are some of the dominant species. And I guess the second thing to do is to set up some monitoring, really simple photo monitoring. And just haven't had a record of how things might be changing through time. That would be the two things I want every farmer to do to start with.