One bad decision or one bad to circumstance can lead to another. It compounds and it becomes extremely difficult. Both of the agencies I ran supported people in deep need and especially hot because many of the people we serve were in poverty. And I felt like I had this ability to see what happened with those children when they didn't get on the right path, when they didn't move out of their circumstances. And I began to see what it meant to live for perpetual poverty and multi-generational poverty and what I was difficult for people to move on. So I went back into the private sector increasingly spent my volunteer time in philanthropic time working with organizations that supported adults who were trying to move forward in life out of very difficult circumstances.