Donald Trump has alienated most of his famous friends, but there is one celebrity standing by him, Kanye West, who famously visited Trump Tower back after the election. Now, he... Five. The hate that Kanye West is saying he loves Trump, the rapper gave a shout out, even to a Republican activist, Candice Owens, who responded on Fox today. I've spoken about Kanye West so much early on in my career here. I've said that he's the only person that is in hip hop or that has a public stage that is willing to think independently. And conservatives like Bill O'Reilly and Alex Jones now shouting out Kanye West and announcing his critics today, West has said he would have voted for Trump and noted his futuristic methods and his style that was politically beat a politically correct way of communication. The rapper, though, adds he does support women's rights and gay marriage and Black Lives Matter. Now, look, this is important. It would be easy to dismiss all of this as celebrity musings and say, who cares what they think about politics? But you know, it was easy for a lot of people to dismiss Trump as a craft celebrity. Now, he's leader of the free world. The fact is culture has always driven politics. And in his own way, Kanye is citing one of Trump's electoral strengths, building a political following around style and rebellion, not policy. It's hard to run against that kind of project with policy alone, especially. If Trump's critics prefer to shout down the conversation rather than actually have it. And for this story tonight, we turn to a co-host of the nationally syndicated radio show the Breakfast Club. Charlemagne, the God author of Black Privilege, opportunity comes to those who create it. His show features leaders in music and culture and has become a stop on the presidential campaign. And we know you've vetted your team, vetted Charlemagne a lot because he has given you donkey of the day. I have no idea. He has. But I'm equal opportunity. I've given a lot of the presidential candidates donkey today. Well, look, I'm a Democrat. So being donkey of the day is a little bit of a mixed blessing. Charlemagne joins me now. Thanks for being here. All right, what's happening? What's happening? I'm blessed black and highly favored. I wanted a few guests you'll have on it, I'll get you a JZ reference system. You get all the references. And you know them. You know the people. And you know Kanye. Yeah. What's happening here? I really don't know. I mean, I think that's, I think that we all need to wait and hear Kanye actually explain maybe what he feels in detail before we all start writing our thing pieces and jumping to conclusions about what we think is happening. Because I don't even know if what we think is happening is really happening, honestly. I think what you said in your setup is, is really interesting. The fact that he, he sees somebody that is considered an outsider, somebody that's politically incorrect, somebody that's a rebel. I think it might be more of a style thing. Like he sees himself stylistically in Donald Trump's approach. I don't think that he necessarily likes Donald Trump's policies because clearly he says he's all for black lives matter and gay rights. I mean his father is transgender or transsexual. I don't want to say the politically incorrect term, but I think it's probably more of a style thing than anything else. When's the last time you talked to Kanye? I was actually with Kanye last week. I was with him last week. And TMZ cameras caught us coming out of his office in Calabash, so I was actually with him last week. Does he see politics as performance? And if so, does that make him similar to the president's view? Kanye is not, he's not political. I know that may sound crazy, but in his mind he's not being political at all. Chicago has over 600 caskets and I got the facts to back this. I mean his rhymes are political. Yeah, absolutely. I think that he has, I think that's what you call socially conscious. I think that's called being aware. But that don't mean that you actually know what's going on politically. He may not even know that data. He just knows that it's a lot of murders going on in Chicago, but he probably doesn't know that exact data. A lot of your work connects with the political moment we're in, because we have a president who is more interested in content than policy. Oh, absolutely. We got a celebrity in chief. That's why we don't need to have more celebrities in chiefs. Like I think that America's two obsessed with celebrity. I think our obsession with celebrity is what got down on Trump in the White House. I think we need qualified people. We need people who know politics. Like it's not about style. You know what I mean? It's about actual substance. I want somebody that has morals and values and integrity and actually wants to see America be great. Not just white people in America, not just black people in America, not just one section of America. I want him to really care about all of America. In a lot of ways, you know, I love President Barack Obama. That was the first time I ever voted for a president. Sometimes I do wish that you never voted before Obama. Never voted for Obama, not locally, not nationally, nothing. I don't think that African-Americans, black people, I don't think we did enough of the work when President Obama was in the White House. I think that we were happy with just that symbol of like, oh, it's a black, you know, black president and we good now. Do you think that expectations are one of the biggest things that haunt people who have to perform, whether that's in politics or in music? 100%. That's why we never be honest. He drops in such a great thing because she takes away expectations by just giving you those albums in the middle of the night. You don't even know that it's coming. You know, you don't even get a chance to hate on it. We live in this era right now where people are really writing reviews for things before the music even comes out. All right, the music might come out in an hour later. They got a whole review of, oh, this is classic or this is trash. You have to take away people's expectations. I go to therapy a lot now. And my therapist always says that my therapist says you have to stop having expectations for other people because I get so let down and other people sometimes or other people's opinions. And I'm like, why do I have expectations about other people's opinions? I shouldn't. I just need to let it go and just let people think how they want to think and speak how they want to speak. And we can agree to disagree. I shouldn't have an expectation about somebody else's opinions of us. Is there an insight you've gotten about yourself or about the world out of therapy? Oh, absolutely. I mean, the biggest insight is that it's okay to not know. You know, it's okay to constantly be striving to figure things out. You know, I'm the go-to guy for a lot of people, but who is the go-to guy or go-to woman go-to when they need to speak to somebody? I even was concerned about my therapist yesterday because I'm laying in the bed last night. I'm like, damn, you don't want to know who my therapist talks to after she talks to me because I'm a lot. You know, I'm a lot. So I want to know who she talks to. So I just think it's okay to question things, including yourself. Like so it's okay to try to be strong and also know that there's weakness in you or there's needs in you. Yeah, I think that's what it means for them. I think you know, especially in the hood, one of the worst things that we have made people feel like that you always got to be tough. You always got to be hard. Like think about how many brothers in the hood made me dealing with anxiety, but they just think that paranoia is natural because they're in the street. I'm one of those people. You know, I just have always been a naturally paranoid person, naturally anxious person with having anxiety attacks and didn't even know until I got older and I'm no longer living that lifestyle and I got to, I'm making a great living, but I still have those feelings. That's what made me go to therapy in the first place. So is that part of a crisis of American culture's expectations for black masculinity because there's a narrative around being strong about being a super predator, about being dangerous and then there's no space to actually be anything else that you're being compressed at both ends. I mean, think about it. If I'm in the street, if I grew up in the hood, I got to deal with that element, but then also got to deal with the element of just America looking at me as like you said, a super predator, a thug. So I got to look out for criminals and other thugs or other people that may want to do me harm. And I got to worry about police officers like, yeah, I'm a taxpayer and citizen who makes a great living, a media personality, but when I get behind the wheel of my car and I'm driving through Jersey, I'm still nervous. Police officers get behind me, even if you don't know his lights on, I feel like I want to pull over and let him pass me.