Hi, I'm Dick Wall. Jalva programmer for many years and Colost of Jalva Proce. And more recently a Scarlet enthusiast. So I would say my job right now is very interesting. I work on human genomics and telling people what they maybe have risk of getting. For example, different conditions that are encoded in their DNA. The author is going to be very interesting for this kind of work. It suits the data set very nicely. And what I would say is never get stuck with the thing that you're doing right now. Always keep learning and looking for the next big thing. The fun is in the learning. So my name is Bill and I've been programming it a long time, got into it when I was a teenager. And just found it very interesting. You get to build things that really are only limited by your imagination. And it's really challenging to get them to work. And we have to work at it and work at it and once you get it to work, it's very satisfying. So that's how I got started. Okay, so you're Carl Quinn. Yes, I'm Carl Quinn. And I know you from the Jalva Posse. What do you maybe say what that is? Okay, I'm one of the members of the Jalva Posse podcast, which is a podcast. Audio podcast, not video, just audio. All about Jalva. Programming news, happenings, you know, what's up with the Java world, sort of the community. And where do you work now? So now I'm at Netflix. So I'm working on tools and other sort of Java programmer productivity, things at Netflix. Before that, I was at Google for about five years. And then did you get started as a youngster? Well, programming. I probably started programming when I was maybe ten. Actually, building circuits first with transistors and things. And then once I figured out software was actually easier, I started doing that. So basic on a Commodore pen. Oh, cool. It's even before the VIC-20 and the Commodore 64 and all those. So maybe you got started on small computers a little earlier than I did. And then Apple too. We eventually PCs and writing past-galancy. And then any career advice or things you think people should study to become a successful software developer? So I think I went maybe the straight route going to university and studying computer science. Because I knew right away at that age that's what I wanted to do. But I think a lot of other degrees, if you are interested in science or math, those are always good starting points. And then we'll be back to the next one. Good. Okay, Carl, thanks a lot.