I stand here before you to reiterate the condolences from my Prime Minister in Ranghan, from my Foreign Minister, Shaman Mughraishi, from the entire nation and country of Pakistan, which stands shoulder to shoulder with you in this hour of grief, in this time when our hearts are bleeding because of the atrocity that has befallen this wonderful, marvelous family. Pakistan's ambassador to Canada spoke at the public funeral for the Afsal family in London yesterday. They were killed one week ago, targeted for being Muslim. The family immigrated to Canada from Pakistan and they are being mourned in that country as well. The Minister of Pakistan spoke out about the attack and I spoke with him earlier. Prime Minister Khan, thank you for joining me today. My pleasure. You tweeted about the killing of the four members of the Afsal family this week. Why did you want to speak out about it, sir? Well, listen, Rosemary, I have spent a lot of my time in western countries. I have spent half my, when I used to play professional cricket, I used to spend half my year in England. I went to university there. I got married there. I got boys there. So I understand the western culture. And I also, I understand where the problems are. How come this Islamophobia is growing and specifically after 9-11? There are two landmark dates from where Islamophobia has grown. One was Salman Rushdie's book in 1989, roughly. And secondly, it was after 9-11. And how did this division, the suspicion take place? After 9-11, the word Islamic terrorism, Islamic radicalism. Now, when these terms started becoming currency and announced by western leaders, the man in the street does not understand when you say Islamic radicals. It seems that there's something in the religion that makes people radical. And the man in the street cannot distinguish between a moderate Muslim and a radical Muslim. Terrorism has no religion. And every human society, the extremists, the liberals, the extremists, the bulk of the people are more cruel. Well, I was just going to say, though, you've talked about this at the United Nations and many other places about a need for a holistic approach by the international community. What does that mean to you, practically, Prime Minister? What do you need to see there? So my whole, I've been, every forum, I've been trying to say this because the two, you know, the community is Muslims living in western world. They are the ones who suffer from Islamophobia. And then the sufferer, I mean regular, we hear about incidents. A lot of incidents don't get reported, but we know about it. I'm besieged, tell us. So this gap needs to be closed. In this instance, it appears it was one person radicalized in some way on his own who did this. What is it that government should be doing, for instance, to shut down online hate toward Muslims? I think there should be a very strict action against it. Because you see these hate websites, which, again, as I said, would divide humanity by creating hatred, ignore under the other human community and you target them and this hate material. And especially with the growing social media and social media, as it completely, you know, the world is just coming to grips with it because it's a new phenomena. And unfortunately, I mean, while there's so many benefits of social media, it's changing the whole world. But this one particular bit when there are these hate websites, which create hatred amongst human beings, they should be an international action against them. And what would that look like to your Prime Minister? What would be the mechanism for doing that, if you will? Whenever the international community and by that, I mean the world community, the world leaders, whenever they decide upon taking action, this will be dealt with. The problem is at the moment there is not enough motivation. Some international leaders or leaders in the Western countries actually don't understand this phenomena. They too think that the Muslims are these weird people who have these weird customs and they need to be put in place. So it just needs to be brought together and there has to be understanding. And this can be promoted by world leaders. Do you plan to reach out to Justin Trudeau to have a conversation about this? Yes, I will. I've had previous conversations with Justin Trudeau as well. And I have to say we mostly agree with most things. You may be aware too of a law in the province of Quebec here that bans public servants, teachers, judges and others from wearing visible religious symbols, which obviously affects Muslims who wear the headdug, for instance. Quebec says this is a law about secularism. What do you make of that kind of law existing in Canada? I find this secular extremism. It really is against using the whole idea about secularism, is it liberalism? You want humans to basically be free to express the way they want to be, as long as it doesn't cause pain and hurt to other human beings. That's how I understand what liberalism is. So if someone covers their head, why has it become such a big issue? And I feel this is just a symptom. The main reason behind this becoming such an issue is because of the way Islam is perceived. And that's why that understanding has to take place. And I also say one thing, Rosemary, that Muslim world also must, heads of Muslim states, must be able to present their cases in world forums like the United Nations and the European Union. So to improve this understanding. And I actually do people objecting to hijab or sometimes I mean people with beards, all the beards are now becoming very trendy, all the shorter ones. So people objecting to this is quite bizarre for me because again I repeat in the liberal Western democracies, why is this such a big issue? Unless the reason behind it is that there's actually fair of the other. There's suspicion. You know, they actually do believe that there's something in Islam that leads to radicalism and to extremism and to terrorism. And unfortunately I repeat again, there are certain Western leaders who believe this. Right. You are speaking about Islam writ large of course, but as you know, it is very diverse. There are many different groups of Muslims in the world. You have previously said, sir, that you are not aware of events happening in Xinjiang province in China. Canada's parliament has said what's happening to the Muslim minority weekers there is a genocide. Why do you not advocate for those Muslims as you do for Muslims elsewhere? Let me just be clear, Rosemary. Number one, Islamophobia does not affect us Muslims living in Muslim countries. It only affects Muslim in Western countries. And because I know, spend time in Western society, I understand what they go through. So that's why I raised my voice. Now as for what is the situational Muslims all over the world, you know, I mean, just look at the situation from Libya, you come to Syria to Iraq, to Afghanistan, to Somalia. So there is a serious political problem in the Muslim world and suffering. Yeah, I understand that Prime Minister, but you have deep economic ties with China. And it would appear that Muslims are being detained and abused in China. Does that not concern you? You see, our relationship with China is such that whatever issues we raise with China are always behind closed doors. Because Chinese society is such and we respect them. I mean, we have economic ties with China. It's our, China is our neighbor. They've been very good to us in our most difficult times. So we respect the fact that if we have concerns, we talk about behind closed doors. Just to end again on Prime Minister and what happened in Canada with the Afsal family, as you know, there's a nine-year-old boy that did survive the attack. He's in hospital. That family has many friends in the community. What would you say to their remaining family and friends after this event? I must say everyone is shocked in this country because, you know, we saw their family picture. And so, you know, a family being targeted like that has had a deep impact in Pakistan. We have our embassy in Canada, is in touch with the other family members. We are trying to work out what's the best, what we can do for them. And we will come up with some sort of a solution, you know, a foreign office. We're all in touch. And we are working out. But at the moment, we are still in a state of shock because it is, you know, when that happens, you immediately start thinking about your own family. And you sort of worry about everyone going and just one boy left. So we'll work out. Prime Minister, thank you so much for your time today. I do appreciate it, sir. Thank you.