Now the reason I'm talking about all that today is because one of the things that makes that difficult for the discus is as we step down you need to maintain this T position. What's up guys it's Eric Johnson from Air Tate. So as I seen in today's video we are going to talk about part two of what is the most difficult part of learning the full throw and what we tend to find in our camps whether it's beginner intermediate or advanced throwers is slowing down the upper body and that has a lot to do with how you carry the discus right. So when we did this we've done a video on this how to add extra 20 feet holding the discus is absolutely critical when you're talking about advanced throwers slight degree changes can add up to 9 10 feet really quick I've seen biomechanical studies done on American throwers where they could show you know athletes picking up as much as 8 meters just because of how effectively they were able to fly the discus. So remember flying the discus also has a ton to do with how you carry the discus and one of the things we talk about is where does that hand placement go we've talked about the position of the thumb and remember if you're a throwing chain reaction system member take a peek we're going to have our ultimate hand carry you know drag training video coming up where we're going to show you everything and it's all the stops we pull out multiple finger points. We've got positions hand positions thumb alignment discus all that kind of stuff we've got great videos on YouTube they got ton of great views we stand by them they're really good but we are doing a full tutorial on it on slide so keep an eye out for that we'll be posting that up. The reason I'm talking about all that today is because one of the things that makes that difficult for the discus is as we step down you need to maintain this T position too many athletes have kind of got this thing going on the upper body's turning and the low points turning up kind of late and then they're bent at the waist they create shift which is going to create this and you're going to lose the delivery leg in the finish and that's really really critical. One of the things that we want to be able to do is the comfort factor and when we talked about in our video about what makes it so tough and we talked about this three to four position keeping the head up and being able to rotate everything into the throw now when you're actually throwing the issue that we tend to have is athletes are starting here and they're doing weird stuff they're not comfortable holding the discus now I have athletes that we've worked on this extensively and we really narrowed down some of the time. The technical things is very easy to get lost on a lot of technical inefficiencies or bad positions so a lot of times coaches rightfully show you're not doing this you know you're not turning your foot you know you're shifting your shoulders are off your high point is you know too low right so if you don't get if you get the discus up that keeps the chest over right and now you can see how I'm going to be able to turn on top turn around and come through and hit the throw so how do you do this though simple. So the other things are if you're holding the discus correctly so you see a lot of athletes they are doing weird stuff they're turning over we've seen athletes they turn the discus over right here and then they try to get it up so then they get it up like this and they're tilting versus getting the discus up and having it come up like that and that's a really big important factor so remember how you hold that discus that is really critical the discus is really good. So essentially has to stay behind the hip so the most optimal way is to have a high point here that you can kind of come through right and you're going to see me when I come this way and I would be hitting the throw in this direction getting the high point up the discus right as I am about to hit the right sector line so as I come up we're going to hit this and then when we're in the air we're hitting that nice high point now on the ground but I can't hold that position super great on there but in a full-term motion you're in that for just a few tenths of a second before you're going to come down so that's your pillar 4 to 5 and then delivery is both knees turning into throw to 6 so if you are having a hard time and you're looking down that affects the hand that affects how you carry it we see a lot of kids cupping it we see a lot of kids carrying the discus like this where they don't kind of spread their fingers out or they hold the right hand fingers out or they hold the thumb too far from the edge of the discus so they need to get that discus closer to the edge they should feel comfortable and you should be able to hold that discus here and this is what you're going to notice with most elite throwers and they're going to come through and they're going to be dragging that discus and it's going to stay behind the hip now controlling that upper body so if you can't hold that discus comfortably and it constantly feels like it's going to fall out this is going to absolutely impact your ability to feel the throw because the majority of throwers when they get to this position and they're not holding the discus right they have a sensation that the discus is going to fall out of their hand so I have an athlete who likes to turn the discus like this when he starts well you're going to notice when I do that my arms not an extension so I'm immediately starting out the throw here and I'm going to get too active with the upper body because there's no stretch so athletes are going to create a new state, you know, involuntary responses or reactions right that's what we talk about the chain reaction works two ways optimal reaction and sub optimal reaction so if you're doing things they're going to affect your ability to feel the positions like not carrying the discus right having to compensate carrying it, cupping it, turning it over weird so that your arm isn't elongated and dragging so that you can turn through and sling the discus you need to probably work on carrying the discus so you can turn through and sling the discus so you can turn through and sling the discus so you need to probably work on carrying the discus so remember this is what we found that transition from the sprint pillar three to four to five that position just doing drills this is where everybody gets into trouble and again if you're beginning thrower you just need to do probably a lot of those line drills that was a really simple effective thing after you do 25 to 30 just walk you know even if you just walk 50 meters of the track walking down the lane line or cross the football field like you saw or people did it are three throwing camps go there and back just by the time they get there and back they're already moving better if you're having a hard time with that you do that for multiple days maybe multiple weeks once it's kind of understood it's something you can revisit and you want to make sure that you're holding that discus correctly thumb near the edge fingers here pointed this way so now the discus is dragging right and so now when you get and you move you're going to see that nice drag that nice stretch and we're going to try to keep that up here at the shoulder and now you're going to be working on working the lower body and the more that lower body turns ahead the more stretch you feel and that transition from the back of the ring pillar three four into five six becomes faster more balanced and you start to sling the discus and you will throw further so that was a last big tip and our kind of our part to you've got to make sure that you're not doing weird stuff with the hand carry and there's like you said coming soon in the in the next probably in about a month there's going to be the complete guide we're going to go down and break down all the things that we see all across the country remember one of the things about the throwing chain interaction system and airtay throws nation we literally deal with nearly a thousand coaches thousands of athletes and so we see so many recurring issues that it helps us be able to gather that information and help you guys so that being said if you like today's video be sure to comment hopefully if you looked at the previous video if you missed that pay attention to that make sure you check this out you've got to hold that discus right otherwise you're not going to feel that transition if you're turning the upper body and turning the arm that's going to change everything it's going to slow down 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