In your chapter on Muhammad Ali for instance, you talk of nationalism in the US, you are not nationalistic enough. I think that's something that has come now, because we didn't have that same kind of media like now we have that kind of media which has that power which has all the satellite channels. It's a very masculine, angry and powerful media. Do you think there is a certain kind of similarity between that time when people who didn't want to join the world? And now you have to sort of fall in the line of this is what is nationalism is. I'm sure in America in the US which is the center of, I'm sure there were very robust masculine media houses that, you know, the Ganghau spirit. Let's go out and kick ass. It's a kind of, but despite that, how did the questioning process start in America because across the world it started when, I think, body backs are coming back, Americans were discreeted over there. But more important was you had the fact that you had a system where people had to join the forces in America. What is the code? This is a word for it. You had to be drafted. Yes, you had to be drafted. So they could question you. Now there's no draft because now it's with the fellow explains, you know, what's a lot of my lucksmiths. Now they become mercenaries because you can't question the world. But these are the questioning and then also you had, you must remember that a lot of, there were a lot of thinkers at that time who contributed to this. I'm sure there was a fellow in Berkeley, I forget his name, the philosopher of Namal Yadra, I'm going old. But there are a lot of thinkers and writers and Bertrand Russell, who was in the Denver, walk-in strives in Stockholm, taking to, you know, all this is happening. And the campuses also played a role, the campuses across the world, they played a very strong role in mobilizing opinion. Do you think that that has, that it's a moment that India has to face now, it's like, are we at now moment in a way? I think so. I think, and the devotee has started. It has started. It takes time to manifest itself. You know, all those universities, et cetera, J&U, FTI, Patna, NID, Patna, all kinds of places that it happened. And you see the devotee and then you writers and painters and musicians and award-wrapped you that whole thing happened and you've got, I'm the one who's a victory over here. These are all symptoms. They were our larger idea, our devotee. You know, and it does take form and shape and it will happen. There's been an upsurge of an independent documentary and filmmaking movement in India too in the last few years. Like, much as the censorship has been very heavy, there has been an opposite way, almost, that, the more you censor, the more films will make it. The more people know about it, the more we will show these films, in separate outside of film festivals, official film festivals in different kinds of festivals. Do you think that's something that's, there's a glimmer of hope in the film of the world? Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, the thing with, with, with, with, with, with, with any, fist that's trying to crush, they don't know, it's, it's pills of a talk on the dinner. A lot of things happen along with that, you know. And it's going to happen. And you go, look, this country has been through, hell of a lot over 70 years. It can't be put back into the, into the bottle again, the genie is out. The genie is out. What are you going to do? You, you know, have you been to Kashmir? I've been there. They've lost, the fear of death. They've lost the fear of the army. It's incredible. Nobody's talking about it. They don't mind dying. So how many people can the army kill? It's an incredible thing. These same quiet people have lost the fear of the CRPF or the BSF or the army. The pelting stone that, God, how did it happen? How did it, it is after years and years of shit, Thakana Gai, that tide is in the soul. They've seen too much. The tragedy is we have understood it. We've understood it. Really the best thing is what you've said, that the genie is out and it can't be put back. Yeah, the genie is out. And it's out in the campus. It's out in the campus, out in the streets and it's out in the street because it is out in the streets and that's the deady election. Nobody's talking about it. I'm talking about it. It's out on the street. And ordinary people. And they took on the... And they said what they had to say. On that note, my final question to you will be about the early chapters about the how you grew up in. You call it a mural or something. Ah, a mural. And so many stories about that place. This is only a glimpse. It was much more colourful. It was incredible. Absolutely. And the behind the driver's quarters and the people who were incredible. And the relationship. But there is that one place where you say that you were offered, during the year you offered sweets and it came back like one person. Yeah. She returned the sweets to you, how the near sister was curious. But there's also a moment of compassion and you say that, okay, I understand the pain that this woman might have gone through. But at the same time, it seems to be a place where people are living together. And it seemed to me a microcosm of what you call your travels around India. A microcosm of middle stroke, upper middle class existence, middle and upper middle class. It wasn't the poor. Okay. Very important. There's a difference. But it's a pretty dark section of society. A cross section of it. Yeah, it was. And yeah. And it allowed people from different parts of India. Oh, absolutely. Do you think that the vision of India, you grew up in the house, you grew up in it allowed for different people to come? That's why, that's why when I made the scene, it's like an epitaph of a nation. It's an epitaph because you see the idea of an individual which is personified in a constitution. That's what he said is what we want our nation to be. We presented this image of this dhacha to ourselves as a people and to the world. This is what India is all about. It's a constitution and there's a lot of poetry in it. And it's all being eroded over time. So I made the scene which was the epitaph over. Much beyond Mr. Kya Killani fellow, idea of India. No, because the idea of India, then you started traveling. And you regained faith again. You were just going around the world and you were going to bathe in the world. Thank you very much. Take a look at that next. Is another book coming out of something coming up? I've got to understand this book more. Part 2. To understand this book, I've got to write another book to understand this book. That's true. Where I went right and where I went wrong. I will be stopping you outside. I see as I was this time to interview again when that book comes out. Thank you very much for your time. Take care. Thank you very much for talking to me. Wonderful. Thanks very much for watching us. Please make sure that you subscribe to our channel to keep looking up your interviews. And we hope all the very best for Mr. Meza and this book make sure you buy it and read it. Memory in the age of Amnesia.