Harsh punishment is still happening today that's spanking and I do come from a generation I was spanked. Who else here was spanked? Spanking is still a current trend in parenting. However, research is showing and telling us it doesn't help kids. It helps them conform out of fear, but it doesn't help them conform out of values, morals and ethics and thinking for themselves. It gets them to think about the fear and the disappointment they're going to cause other people, which really doesn't teach them what we're actually trying to teach them, which is usually something morally, ethically, a value system. So spanking doesn't work. It doesn't work. And there's research. And if you want to know the research, just look up, is spanking effective for children. And research on spanking, there are studies now. It does not help children. Okay? Yes, we come from that generation a lot of us, but we want to help them understand that it actually can induce more anxiety. The studies will show and children can become traumatized because they're living in a state of fear and survival mode, which is a panic that gets sets in. And then they don't know what to do, right? Because they're always afraid to do something wrong. And they're not even doing anything, but they're a panic because they're afraid of what's going to happen. So they don't feel that they can make any choices. So it's not an effective tool. So we need to educate parents.