Hi everybody, we'll clave here. Before we go into the interview on open source electronics with Jeremy Blum, I'd like to talk for one minute on open source ecology. You don't know what open source ecology is, please look at March and Jacobal's keys, 2011 TED Talk and the GVCS Global Village Construction set videos on my YouTube channel here. I've been collaborating with open source ecology since 2009 with various different CAD drawings and I spent six months at factory farm in Missouri in 2010 for the developing life track 2 and PALCube 2 and then power casing and building them. I'm now back in Europe looking at a similar project here. I've been looking at landing Portugal in Spain as land is much cheaper there and I've been looking at funding through my own work. However, I see there's a lot of interest in on the open source ecology wiki from other people looking at doing something similar. So before I go ahead with anything, I think it'd be great if we all got together on a Skype conference school or something similar and discussed our individual ideas. So without further ado, here's a very interesting interview on open source electronics with Jeremy Blum. Good to go. Okay, so here we are in London with Jeremy Blum. Would you like to mention your websites Jeremy? Sure, so Jeremy, I do a lot of open source hardware and electronics work in instructional videos so mostly I folks on YouTube videos I have a channel youtube.com so I got 14 but everything also goes up in my blog which is JeremyBlum.com. I do guest blogs for element 14 which is electronics user community independent blogs and site in those lines mostly instructional stuff I always publish on my materials. Yeah, yeah, yeah and we've just talked for 10 minutes about open source ecology and what's going on in Missouri and plans for an open source ecology style open source technology project here in Europe and we're interested in knowing what websites we should keep an eye on for the latest developments in open source electronics so we can keep up to date. The electronics for our open source hardware projects could you give us a bit more website? Yes, so I think there's a whole bunch of issues keeping eye on. I mentioned before after we got a lot of that first of it in charge of that her name is little more free. She's actually on the cover of Wire magazine in April. They do amazing stuff all open source kits. She's very helpful in publishing tutorials on that list of sparkline.com. They sell and they take chips that for hobbyists or people who do a small scale work but usually hard to work with and they break out more it's fun so it's easier if you want to utilize their kind of cobsis GPS module and stuff like that. Most of the next steps are little source too. They also have blog on there where they talk about a lot of stuff. Bug labs which I also mentioned yeah. New York City they do a pair of open source work. All their main product is open source but they're also a big pusher in the open source. New admit, hardware movement. I would also say keep an eye on Bakerbot to really protect I think it's highly significant for open source ecology and if you think about kind of how printers and photocopiers and stuff work to issue where initially people really can afford to have their own first and then you go to print shop down the street to print something or photocopy something and then you can do your home and you can buy a printer now for 50 bucks. I imagine so much things will happen with 3D printing several years in the future and I hope they will. So I think they're an important coming in keep looking at. Along the same lines is Bakerbot is Fabic Home which is another open source 3D printer that that one's based out of quarterly university. They do big collaborative with each other sometimes. Fabic Home is interesting because it's kind of killer app they call it is printing fuel so you kind of put raw components in it'll print out edible to do. Which is very interesting. What else? Yeah, I mean those are the big ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. And as far as yourself what's your what is it you advanced in the field and what is it you're looking to push in the open source electronic field? Mostly what I do a lot of work with the Arduino which is an open source macro computer platform and I think you've been eye on actually. I do work with all sorts of microcontrollers electronics and what I try to push is getting people involved in open source electronics development giving them the tools and instructions they need to kind of get their view with electronics work and development of projects platforms isn't really that hard once you get the basics down so I make instructional videos and blogs and tutorials and I post source code and schematics and all that stuff. Tell people get the basic tools they need to understand how the technology works and think and then take the code expand on it run with it and develop it into their own projects. And that's all posted on your website. That's all on my website during my book. Yeah, tutorials everything. And as far as the open source ecology side of things how how would you see this open source electronics being able to integrate into open source ecology to give an example we're interested in open source in our electronics for example to be able to build our own welder for our workshop. How hard is it or how much effort would have to go into open sourcing the electronics for such a machine. I mean the act of actually open sourcing it is easy you just leave it you have the schematics you publish them with this open source and then you wish to make a license obviously I usually use creative commons or G and U, public license or the new open source hardware license that the first draft was released in open source hardware something recently. And so the act of open sourcing it is easy that the tough part is getting people the materials they need to actually produce it. So one way to do is that you can let's say you design a printed started board people have some ones to get that started board printed so you can either send it out to a company to get it printed which can range anywhere from $10 to $500 doing a circuit board printed professionally or you can make yourself and to make yourself you basically need a bunch of chemicals some special lights that's used with photo resist and it's not actually that hard for a simpler circuit board for advanced stuff against the more complicated one you can make a single layer circuit board and about a half hour ready to have stuff started into it. Like three chemicals some photo resist the actual board especially like unit light and it lays a laser printer to print out the design that you also do with sharpie. Right okay you mentioned the open source hardware summit which is an annual event in New York and September. I think it's September. September you mentioned yeah and you mentioned they're working on a licensed broken source hardware. Now so far in open source ecology are a way of kind of we publish regularly or publish found wide so there's evidence on the web that we've developed the concepts you know from when they've been developed and that's been our kind of way of we haven't had any problems yet with people paying things and so on but with licenses shall we say. Do you know what the license is that they're working on developing for hardware? Yeah so with hardware you have different considerations in open source software so if you consider a good example is adafruit because they make open source hardware kits they publish everything you need to make them yourself because they're publishing the source there's nothing to stop someone else from taking the design files and building either you know making their own kits or building finished products and then selling them and through you know factors and economies of scale out better offering the better prices than the original creator of the work or kind of making copies that people then get confused with the original that kind of thing. So the open source hardware license focuses on allowing you to license things open source while ensuring that you retain all the not necessarily the ownership rights because it's it's open source but making sure that other people can't screw you over basically. Yes the idea yeah yeah yeah and you know there's different ways you can use just like with different software license that exists now. You can choose to use it however you want. In my opinion it's the most important thing. The creative common license for example which is commonly used for some sort of thing is the share like clause in license which is you know you can take this you do whatever you want with it you can specify whether you want to use commercially or not but the most important thing is if you make improvements through a change it you have to read post that you have to share the changes so people can benefit from that if you think they're useful. I think that's a big part of it. Okay well Jeremy Blum thank you very much we'd like to plug your websites one more time. JeremyBlum.com you just google Jeremy Blum first result. Yeah thank you very much.