It's not food, it's violence and you can hear some of the diners as well, moving back at the protesters. In fact, at the end, the protesters leave, they possibly allow for the fact that there was a snag like that. A lot of them started moving as cows and suggesting they leave. Let's turn now to Joey Carbstron, who's an animal rights activist. Do you support protests such as these Mr. Carbstron? Good morning. Okay, so I'm not part of the group direct action everywhere. And they have quite controversial actions, even within the vegan movement, are considered controversial. That's why I'm asking you whether you support protests such as these. Okay, yeah, let me give you some perspective here. What do you have to do now? I feel like it's a crazy world we live in, where vegans have to go to these extremes to persuade people to stop paying for the abuse and murder of innocent animals. So although I don't participate in actions like this, I fully appreciate that some vegans are in a position that they have to go to these extremes. It's a crazy world and desperate times called for desperate measures and people just aren't listening and then making fun of these activists who are speaking up against animal abuse. Right, so you do support it. I support the message, that's for sure. I mean, do you not agree with the message? We'll come to my views in a moment respectfully. Do you support the direct action aspect of it? That's what I'm trying to get to. Intervening at a restaurant and showing people the process from which their steak was made. Yeah, I actually think that I'm not sure if there's a more of a negative outcome or a positive outcome. I mean, you've got me on the radio here to talk about. But what would give you? I appreciate you don't do it, but you said that you appreciate why they do it and you have tacit support for them. What gives people these people such as these the right to disrupt, disrupt someone else's evening? What gives human beings the right to subjugate and slave and stab to death trillions of animals a year for a steak? It's been happening since time began and since the K-Pan hunters are a human slavery just because it's traditional doesn't make it moral. The slavery is now quite rightly outlawed. The eating of meat is not it. Let me ask you this. If this was a dog meat restaurant where people were being able to go ahead. Let me finish it. If this was a dog meat restaurant where people were eating the chopped up bodies of innocent dogs and some activists coming, let me give you an example of how to answer questions because you have trouble with it. That would be wholly wrong because it is illegal to butcher dogs. There is something that comes out to the law which allows people should they so desire to sit down to a tea bone or a rib eye or a sirloin steak hopefully uninhended by rather dreary loudmouth protesters. Is legality the same thing as morality? Is legality the same thing? Sometimes yes sometimes no that's a very broad question. Excuse me. Slavery used to be legal. Human slavery used to be legal. Was it moral? I don't think having a steak and chips is quite on the same same ground as trying to slave half of a con. It's an analogy. You can just speak. Don't worry. It's an analogy. You're not in school. One steak. One steak right. They're stabbing innocent animals in the throat in a slaughterhouse. They're choking on their own blood and people are paying for that. They're more offended by vegans with signs than they are that they're paying for the abuse of innocent animals. They're not more offended but do you not see that while you have a very valid cause and research shows that more and more people, particularly young people are coming over to your way of thinking and more and more young people are becoming vegans or certainly not becoming meat eaters because of what the some of these suggestions you make and certainly the impact it has on the planet. And I absolutely subscribe to that. Protests such as this actually set your cause backwards. How do you know? Where's your data? Where's your data? I don't have any data but what I do know is that. Wait a second. I'll show you some images of a slaughterhouse. Slaughterhouse images don't lie. It seems to think that because I am opposed to people disrupting other people having a night out with their partners, wives, girlfriends, boyfriends, whatever the hell it is, you seem to think therefore that I'm in favor of animals being brutally treated. I'm not. Do you eat slaughtered animals? Yes, sure. Sure. But I respect that you're in favor for eating slaughtered animals. I guess I'm in favor of you. You support slaughterhouses. You support the very thing we're against. So how could you be in favor of our cause? No, of course I want you to have your cause. I don't agree with it. You're eating suffered animals. I am. I've just... What have I... Oh no, I've had salmon. I'm sorry. I wish I'd have a sausage. I've been eating you against salmon though as well. You're destroying the environment. I mean, it's killing animals and you're saying you're for our cause. It takes the one-art justify. It gave itself up and all honesty. It wasn't particularly good. I think it had had enough of life to be honest. Because I completely support... Not funny. Animal abuse isn't funny. People that make fun of animal abuse are not funny. What I cannot abide is that you... Not you actually because you weren't involved in this one. But people like you seem to have you have some loftier moral duty that you have to go and disrupt other people's lives. Hey, animals are being butchered, dude. Have your protest. Animals are being butchered. Animals are being butchered. Have some perspective. That's not... What is more offensive? What is more offensive? Have your protest on the street as they leave the steakhouse. Have your protest along the pavement. Do you... Don't invade a restaurant. It's simply not fair. Do you want to talk about fairness and justice? It's not fair that we subjugate the most innocent beings on earth. That's not fair. Why are we doing it to them, Paul? Why are you participating in this order? Because people like the taste of meat. Oh, so taste overrides morality now? I like the taste. It gives me pleasure. It gives me pleasure to abuse the innocent. Pissed to abuse. They are being abused. They're being bolt-gunned in the skull and slashed across the throat because you like the taste of their flesh. It's a pig. It's a pig. It's a pig. Yeah, it's a pig. What's that being? It's a dog. It's a dog. It would not be here. They are bred. They breed dogs in Newland for meat too. Is that moral? That is illegal in this country. Do it to my knowledge. Do it to eat dogs. That's got nothing to do with morality. Illegality and morality are two different things. Let me ask you this last sleep. Let me ask you this. Are you one of the supporters who also doesn't think sheep should not be sheared shorn? You know, the wool industry murder although sheep for flesh. Just answer my question. Should sheep be shorn? The wool industry murder although sheep when they don't produce wool anymore. No, no, just answer the question. Should you share a sheep? The only reason they're producing that amount of wool is because they've been selectively bred to produce more wool than natural. Do you think sheep should be shorn or sheared whichever you prefer? Do you think slaughterhouses should exist if so? Stop eating steak. Should stop eating steak. It's supporting animal abuse. Do you answer my question, Mr. Carpshon? I said perfectly legitimate question. The wool industry is morally apparent. Why don't you answer yes or no? What's your problem? Animals should not be... Here's your answer. Animals should not be used as products and resources for human beings to exploit. They are not products. If you would not want sheep to be shorn or sheared whichever you prefer, you would not do it. I do not want animals to be used as resources or products. They are sentient beings. They're not products for you to eat, use and exploit. Right. So when that sheep gets trapped in a bramble bush and it can't get out and it dies, that's all right. That's the reason they work in the sheep's best interests. They're using them for their walls so you can have a sweater and killing them afterwards is not in the sheep's best interests. Just to make sure that it's in the sheep's interest to get caught in a bramble bush and die, I find that quite... And you all of course know what dagging is. Do you know what... Have you ever stood inside a slaughterhouse where sheep are being stabbed in the throat? Speaking as someone who has kept sheep and speaking as someone who can shear a sheep, can I ask you, do you know what dagging is? I have no idea what dagging is. Daggers when the feces of the sheep get stuck around its rear end because of the size of the bush. What, that's in the sheep's best interest? Stabbing them in the throat and eating their bodies is not in the sheep's best interest. Would you just be quiet for a moment, sir? Why are you going into this area? If you don't dag the sheep, they get what's called fly strike and they die. I have lost a sheep due to fly strike because I didn't dag it soon enough, so the fly's attack and they actually gets invaded and they eat into the sheep's anus. I would suggest enjoy your breakfast everybody. That's why it's a good idea to shear sheep. It's been an interesting time, Joey Carbs. Strong thank you. I remember if you answered a question directly, I sense not. They get what's called fly strike and they die. Okay, well, is steak good for a cow? I didn't dag it soon enough. Okay, but that's in the sheep's best interest. That's different. That's different. Is it a good idea to eat cows? I remember if you answered a question directly, I sense not. He wouldn't let me finish with one sentence, would he? I don't know what it sounded like on the other end, whether he was pushing the silence button. We'll have to listen to it. Anyway, let's see what I want to watch this back. Let's have a look.