17-year-old Nile. Juan Branco, what do you make of that denial by the French governments that there is a problem of systemic racism in the police? Everyone is conscious in France that France is a segregated country in which there is two parallel societies, one which lives in the suburbs, which is from certain origins, from a part of it, from Northern Africa and Africa, and a very conservative and protected white elite that lives in the center of the city of Paris. This is for the main central Parisian situation, but you can see a similar configuration in the main cities of France, in Bordeaux-Lionne, to Luce and so forth. And then of course you have other kinds of social problems in France, but this one is a key one, and of course, the police is at the center of this problematic, and the police is being asked to provide solutions to these crises and to these political segregation, and there is of course an impossibility to use police in order to create a solution for that. There has been no political answer in the last 72 hours from the government, only calls for peace or order depending on which government, which minister would speak, but this shows that there is a clear denial of reality that is extremely problematic. So do you think this is going to go on and get worse? It's complicated in the frame in which there is no political leader that actually is protecting the interest of this population to actually see a political movement start from here, but what is certain is that the violence will continue today and for the next days, because what we were seeing today is a complete decomposition in a sense of part of the society, which has decided to not even call politically for anything but just to destroy and produce violence in order to be heard and respected at last. Now the parallels between this police killing caught on camera, and what happened to George Floyd in the United States are inescapable, but in that case we saw outrage and anger across the world really, across all sections of society. Is the whole of France outraged by this killing, or is it only part of France? Not all, and it's a huge problematic inference. You have an important dimension of French society, which has been nurtured and nourished in the last years by racist and discriminatory discourse, which considers that dirty killing was justified, or at least that there was some kind of protection that should be attributed to the police. We're finding ourselves in a situation in which I wouldn't speak of civil war phenomenon or even climate, but there is a clear, against segregation in terms of opinions, that translates in opinions. We see a capacity of empathy towards the 17 years old child, which is very limited by part of the population, also because violence has been increasing in the last years in France. There is a huge crisis of the state in France and of its capacity to actually maintain its authority over the whole territory, and it has created a lot of suffering and a lot of these discourses which opportunistically take advantage of this situation to put the blame on either immigrants or people from second or third generation. And why are you bringing a civil case when there is a criminal case? Is it because you don't have confidence? So we're participating in that. To be more precise, we're participating, I mean there is a provision in the French criminal law, which allows us to participate in the criminal case, as a partis civil, as they call it. So both cases will be connected, we're are joined, both civil and the criminal case, but our organization is legally authorized to participate as a victim, because we consider that this is a racist crime, it is linked and caused by racist either motives directly from the person or either structurally because of the situation, because once again most of the victims of police violence are either politically identified in France, for example, with the yellow vest movement, either racially discriminated. So we consider that this is the case, and the law authorizes us to participate in these proceedings, and we will be following and making sure that justice will be served not only for the family of Naël, but also for all the people who are suffering from these discriminations. Well, I'm Ronkel, thank you very much for talking to us.