Hey guys, it is Debbie here. Welcome back to our interview series building the future with Wax. Today we're sitting down with Lucas from Wax. So Lucas, for the folks who don't tell us what it is that you do at Wax. I'm essentially a head of engineering at Wax. I'm responsible for building on the platform, managing the team, also operations of the team culture, that type of stuff. And so I mean, you obviously have a lot of people that work with you. What are you guys? I mean, what's exciting that you guys got going on right now? Right now, there's a whole bunch of great stuff that we're working on. And both on the business side and the technology side, I think what makes Opskins and Wax very exciting as a place is that we're always operating in uncharted waters. So we're redefining the space in terms of business. We've got very, very exciting initiatives going on. But also on the technology side, we're trying to apply blockchain to an e-commerce grade type of environment. And that's not easy. I mean, building a business is hard enough on its own. But building a business in a completely new sort of technology sector is adds just another extra layer of difficulty to something. So it's pretty amazing what you guys are able to do. The blockchain obviously is a very exciting technology. There's a lot of things coming out with it. And there's a lot of different companies out there who are trying different things. So for you, why Wax? I mean, what sort of spoke to you about the company that made you want to hop on board? I was looking for companies that had a really good leadership behind them because that's very important. One big thing for me, and that's something that I'm working with my team on, this needs to be a learning environment. We all need to be learning the things. So I want to work for people who are breaking ground. So that's number one. And that's a particular sort of mentality and culture that started with leadership. That's exactly right. And then the last thing was the technology aspect. So I've done many, many different things over the last 20 years. And I believe that blockchain is at that point where it's about to take off. The technology will be used for many different things. For you, you've obviously know a lot about blockchain. What do you think are the most exciting applications of the technology? Obviously, Wax is one, but are there any others that sort of speak to you? I think that anytime that you start dealing with decentralization and security, where you want to set up a highly transparent system with no one really, no one party owning it. There's no one overlord that can just shut it down. But at the end of the day, this notion that we are going after, where you as an owner of a digital item, you truly own it. And that's a huge cultural shift as well. Because I think a lot of people are just so used, especially gamers are so used to being thinking of things like it's a very narrow sort of trajectory where it's like, oh, I own this thing and I can only use it in this game, but you don't even really own it. It's just this, it's on-line to you from the overlord. Perfaring example, I mean, Vigo kind of took off. And this is an example where you have a, you know, economy first, item-centric ecosystem first. And then you have the bet was, can you have item trading without having a game? Would having a healthy trading economy spur actually gaming publishers to kind of come in and like, hey, can we integrate these items in our games? And that's exactly what's happening. So we're talking to gaming companies now who are looking at Vigo and they're like, wow, like there's a healthy economy there right? And people are trading. It's crazy, it's a real concept. That's right. And now they are going to integrate that in their games because they know that having that ecosystem of trading and economy of the items extends the lifespan of a game. Definitely. Wow. It's, man, every time I sit down to do one of these interviews, it's just, it gets me more and more and more excited about just what is coming up and what you guys got going on because there's things we can't even talk about. Yeah, there's some things we can't talk about it. But, you know, some of the top secret stuff that we're working on right now, I believe. And that's another reason why I'm here is, you know, we are going to potentially redefine e-commerce space. So, all right. It's going to be awesome. I can't wait. All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us. I'm the worst. Yeah. It has been a pleasure. I'm looking forward to the next one. So thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate you being here with us. Make sure to head over to waxes social media and that's for us. Make sure you subscribe, like, comment, let us know what you want to see. So thank you guys again so much. Lucas, thank you. Lucas and Dev. Oh.