And let's rip into and look, don't forget Rob McGregor's interview will be up on the website, the app site and there's a replay of my show of this evening really interesting story. I want to go to Hamilton West now though, where there was going to be a bi-election I think December 10th if my memory serves me correctly because of the resignation of Godav Sharma, the former Labour MP, who of course had a falling out with his party, went independent and then stood down because he said he was going to get the bums rush under the party hoppy legislation anyway. We heard from David Seymour this morning that they are going to announce their candidacy for the bi-election on Thursday. We know National Party have a short list of people who presumably didn't go to boarding school or beat me one with a bed leg. Labour will put up some push mark. And interestingly, the top party, which has not yet got over the 5% threshold or one in electorate but has been on the political scene for, whoops, since 2017 I think if my memory serves me correctly, the top party are running a candidate. Well they're doing more than that. They're going to run their party leader, Raf Mangy, who joins us on the line now. Raf, welcome to the program. Thank you for joining us. I know you're short on time. And I actually think this is a really smart move. A bi-election like this is a perfect opportunity isn't it for a party like top to get some exposure? Well, a few things there. I'm not running. I'm sorry, you're not running. Sorry. No, we have a local plan today named me Popeop 2, in 2017, in 2020. And she's standing there. Top came fourth in both Hamilton West and Hamilton East in the last election. With both I candid at getting around 2.5%. So we feel like it's worth it go for us. We're reasonably well known there. And Hamilton West is kind of a key city. You know, the fourth largest city in New Zealand is growing. It's got interesting demographics, a lot of young people. It's not a particularly high-income city and it sort of fits. It's a middle New Zealand. Yeah, it is. Absolutely. We've done a lot of research into the demographics. And we've got quite a few supporters there. And yeah, they're all interested in the issues we're talking about, which is obviously higher incomes, more affordable housing, better transport systems. So it's going to be quite an interesting election. And I think, like you say, I didn't know Acton was going to bother running somebody, but it's a pretty crowded field. And with a low turnout. If it matches the turn on a by-election and you maybe have a turnout of 20,000 people, well, it's anyone guess what the result will be. You also, though, have the incumbent running. Yeah, I mean, you just don't know, do you? I mean, so Gora, I imagine, we'll be having a go at Labour quite frequently. So it's going to make the by-election very strange. And it might be quite difficult for other parties to actually even get a word. And so obviously, national will run, actual run, we're running. I don't know if anyone else will. But it's going to be pretty tough. You never considered approaching Gora ever, and offering him to let him run under the top banner. No, we never had that conversation. I saw him, I think, about three, four weeks ago and we had a chat and at least a lovely guy, he really is. And clearly, obviously, ran into some issues in Parliament, which weren't resolved. But who knows? I mean, I think he would have been quite good for someone by top. Well, he'll be interested to see what he does. He has talked about starting his own party based on evidence and situated in the centre. So let's see what happens. All right. Is this also a chance for you guys to shake up some cobwebs? It's been a difficult five years since 2017. And you know, you've got about a year till the next election. This would seem to be quite a good time to kick the tyres. Yeah, I mean, we spent six months really trying to sort of rebuild the internal structure. You know, we didn't stand in Toronto. It wasn't the right time. We held our HM about a month ago, released in policy. And yeah, this is a good opportunity to kind of test out our systems, see what kind of resources we've got, test out sort of volunteer and campaign networks and some key messages with people as well. So yeah, so it's come actually. It's probably quite a good time for us. So that's quite helpful. All right. Well, we will keep in contact with you guys. I do think it's going to be an interesting biolection and great thing for a party like top anything can happen. There are no rules in the elections. All right, Raif, thank you for your time. That is Raf Mangy, he's the leader of the top party. Yep, they're throwing their hat in the ring for Hamilton West. At, I don't know, it's a, if you're from Hamilton West and you're a voter, do you know what all the fuss is about?