This is Chris Richards reporting on behalf of independent Australia with Adam Richards and Ned Thorn who have just walked over 300 kilometres from Sydney to Canberra for refugees. Were people supportive along the walk? Yeah, they were really well. Absolutely. We had... We expected we'd be sleeping on ground sheets and we expected that we'd be sleeping in sleeping bags and ground sheets. And when it was raining in Sydney, that was a really great thing to contemplate. But my sister in Adelaide went crazy and said, look, she's going to ring her head and she did. She just rang up motels. People donated accommodation to us the whole way across. It was amazing. It really, really was. We couldn't believe it. If nothing has changed in regards to the situation of the people on Madison & Row in 12 months' time, would you do it again? I'll be going again. I can't speak for Ned, but if nothing has changed, I'll go again because there's too much riding on it. What type of change would you want to see between now and then that would convince you that you don't need to walk again? Shut down the cabs, bring them here, bring them here. So all 2,000 people brought back to the mainland? Three persons. Absolutely. Anything short of that is not going to be acceptable for you. It's just so unworthy of us as a country. Full stop. You know, we're Aussies. This is crap. What do you think of the policy lockstep of Liberal & Labour on this issue? You can have to answer that if you have no idea what it is. The policy lockstep is the two of them at Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Day. Ah, stupidly ridiculous. Here's the thing. There was once a Liberal Party that was led by Malcolm Fraser, who, as a kid, my family were Labour voters. He was demonised, but the reality is that Fraser's record on migration and Fraser's support for Vietnamese refugees following the Vietnam. Well, Fraser's a man of integrity. They fought alongside us. They became refugees because of it. He would do something about it. I respect the man for that. The modern politicians have got addicted to using people. And now God help us. Paul Ange is running out of beating up Chinese. Now she's beating up Muslims. They've become addicted to using people. It's not that started on that. The lockstep is a great shame for both parties. And they're equally in a race for the government. Labour started mandatory intention 26 years ago. And still continues to this day. Do you think Labour is gutless on this issue? Yes. And if so, why? Because they're not doing anything about it. That's why they're sitting there because that's what they think is going to get them to work. And it's not. Ordinary members have got to start lining up and threatening their hand in. And if needs be handing in their cards, because here's the situation. Stay compliant if I'm going to try and work for me inside crap. The reality is people with their children have been locked up for five years. How many years do you want to work on the inside for? How many years torture those kids you're going to stand for? The reality is that both Labour and Liberal stand for abusing children. That's what they stand for. If I made anyone uncomfortable by that, good. It's time people got off their arses and crawled them to a count on it. Because when and if the rank and file of the Labour and Liberal parties got off their arses, and said, enough's enough, that'll be fine. See, here's the thing. What they're not saying is that their party is a cash and checks with writing checks, should I say, that their children are going to have to pay for it in time to come. And the kids are going to be looking to go, Mum, Dad, you know, what happened? Well, what were you guys thinking? It's like the stolen generation. There was a time that seemed like a good idea. This is not going to look good in the pages of history. And our kids are going to ask, what in hell did you do? What do you think of the Greens policy on this issue? And do you think there's a bit of the case of grandstanding sometimes by the Greens around this issue? Or do you believe that they're the only party that is genuinely compassionate about this? We respect. I can't believe we'd even ask a question about a party standing up for what's right on this issue. I forget the Greens on every other issue. But on this issue, they're leading this nation and good on them. I'm not a member of the Greens and I'm not a great Green voter, but they'll be getting my vote in recent years and for good reason. Has it been more difficult this time around to get people to support your walk? Yes, no. Yes and no, it's probably fair and I think it's a lot of... Fair and no. Here's the thing. It's been, you know, as I say, like the support we got from hotels really was very surprising. And that's how much it's percolated in the middle of Australia. That people really, really don't like it. But I think amongst the activist movement there's a real sort of almost compassion for tea. People have been battling this for a long time. And, you know, for us, we've done a couple of walks, but there's people who have been fighting this for years. I don't know how they do it. So for a lot of... I think many people, it's kind of hard to get motivated. I think there's a lot of compassion for tea. Here's the thing, you know, we just got to keep going. And, you know, and so we will. What do you think about the small numbers that turned up for your rally today? At least they were there. Here's the first thing to say is, those people that came, where people come from, Newcastle, Sydney, Adelaide, it was such a privilege to be able to spend time with those people. And we're really grateful about that. And we're really... You know, we're disappointed that we didn't see more people, but we understand it's a long weekend. And a lot of people leave Canberra at that time. And, you know, we just really hope that next time we come, if there is a next time, the government doesn't stop it. That hopefully more Canberra can get behind us. And what we're into, the moment is an inquiry about what we needed to do better that would have got the message out. So people would have known we were here and could have gotten behind us more. So, just... Start pushing it earlier and earlier. Probably. Probably. But here's the thing, you know, it was great that people we had were great. And ultimately, sometimes it's not about whether someone agrees with you or life. It's about what stand you're willing to take. And the one thing that I think we achieved most on this walk is that we're just normal people. And we're just little people. But things... Big people? Well, we'll never have big people. Unfortunately, very big little people. But the truth of matter is that it's only when little people stand up. But if we could be an example just to a few people to get up on this issue as well, then we've achieved our purpose. And, you know, if we can do it, anyone can do it. Thank you for talking to Independent Australia. Our pleasure, Chris. And, you know, thank you for talking to us.