Alright, let's take a look at the Arnold press here. You come down with the elbow here, not just to hear, but come more to it down and then to rotate out. This is probably going to be an unpopular take on a very popular exercise. In any press, in any dumbbell press that's overhead, we're going to run into a position at the bottom where we no longer have more range without feeling pain in our shoulders. I think naturally want to internally rotate at the shoulder and bring things more inward. Right, so as we externally rotate, you're going to see that I naturally start to come up, especially when that joint is going to be loaded. And I think, honest to God, that's probably why Arnold did it. And I think that's why it was a very popular move back in the day. But as we know, there's better ways to train. The shoulders, especially overhead, and there's better ways to train all three heads of the shoulder in general.