In reality, there should be very little difference between the two. We're all from a design background, and the way that we work together is down to project requirements and personalities, I suppose, into the end result. We should be all achieving the same goal that we have clients that we're providing projects for, but we also have end users that are going to actually experience whatever's created. That interface between what is architecture interiors a very fundamental part of that, so the interface should be very much connected. And at Gensler because we're a multi-disciplinary firm, we're working very hard to actually integrate all of those disciplines to the end goal of the project and the client. It's quite a wide-reaching question, and I guess it's quite a wide answer as well. Each of the disciplines are quite broad and cover lots of sub-disciplines in a way, particularly architecture which touches on a banity, urbanism, sociology, an elements of psychology and then right the way through to the technical aspects of design and law. Inter design, I guess, is slightly more contained as a discipline and less multi-headed. Obviously architecture has been regulated for nearly 200 years and has a very well-renowned well-boddy which has supported the profession. And up until recently, interior design has been a standalone discipline without that backbone and support. Thinking interior design is a very new profession compared to that of architecture. And I guess that brings a whole lack of understanding on both sides as well, a lack of understanding from interior design, as point of view of what architects' roles are and then from the architects and what the role of the interior design is because traditionally it would have been their role to do so. And I guess there is kind of this boundary, but as I mentioned before, there is a blurring in the middle now. And I think as time has gone on, there's a much better understanding of how these two professions can work together. Again, I think that comes down to personalities. If there's a desire to actually achieve a final goal, then there shouldn't really be a problem. And I think it's gone in phases through history that at various times, interiors can have a very major impact on the way a style or an era is actually represented. Whereas at other times, architecture and its place in the urban environment actually takes on a priority. I agree with it in part, but I think there's definitely been an improvement within interior design education at degree level. And then obviously when it's getting to professional practice as well, the surface design show and other shows also help this. And here at 1508, we regularly have CPDs where trays come in and they teach us about their finishes and products. But I think there's a hell of a lot of crossover where interior designers can inform architects of new materials that they've found out. And vice versa as well, I guess architects look perhaps more at the heart of finishes if you like. And interior designer bring a whole wealth of softer finishes and unique finishes to the table as well. And I guess there's a real synergy there between the two and both are kind of educating each other. And that's a better way of looking at it. It's not all coming from the architect looking down on the interior designer. The interior designer can also give their two pen of in terms of what's new out there. And I guess the surface design show certainly helps that because both architects and interior designers both ascend it. I think people need to be more informed and better informed of what's out there, how they perform, how to actually get the relevant information, but also where the industry is going with new products. So I think that helps from both sides of the coin. Again, from our point of view, the world is very flat. People are moving around the world. It's not just a UK thing, not just a London centric thing. And I think that helps the attitude as well, having different cultures working within design teams, responding differently to work in different locations is very important as well. So the world and cultural mix is helping to break down some of those barriers as well. And the other interesting thing is that they're becoming much more transient and much more dynamic. So I think the interface between the disciplines is becoming much more creative and much more interesting. I think we were set up expressly to try and address the disparity or the disconnect between the disciplines. And we certainly believe that they are significantly different disciplines and should be respected as such. There are elements of crossover and spatial design, I guess, is the middle bit where both interiors and architectures come together. And that's an interesting territory. But beyond that, as I said earlier on, there is a very wide gamut of skills from the most softest into designers to the most technical architect. And for us, it's about accepting and respecting that and building a company culture which supports those disciplines. So we set architects next to into designers and we create an internal design dialogue which ultimately we feel creates a product which is better because of that engagement and discourse. .