Here where the president is still insisting he will not step down, despite losing the December 1st election. As West African leaders and Western powers urge him to handle the power peacefully. Aya Jameh initially considered defeat on state television shortly after the polls. This after spending 22 years in power. But a week later, he reversed his position, denouncing the election results and then demanding a new vote. Jameh says, and I quote, unless the court decides the case there will be no inauguration on January 19th. And quote, it's political party has lodged a complaint with a Supreme Court to overturn the December vote results. And political analyst, Ibrahim Hatoghan joins us now from London via Skype to talk to us on the latest development in Gambia. Many thanks for joining us on TVC News. Now, President Jameh says, unless the case is a head in court, it will not step down and there won't be any inauguration in January. Now, do you think this is a case of he who pays the pie, but it takes the tune? I don't think so. We are dealing with a very unstable and delusional leader. I mean, he lost the elections squarely. And if you listen to his accept when he considered the defeat, he quoted the correct figures that were used by the Independent Electoral Commission when they revised the figures. This was a system that was rigged in his favor and he lost squarely. Now let me come to the Supreme Court. There was no Supreme Court because he dismissed the judges who are there, some of them were Gambians. He dismissed them. Only this Nigerian guy who's the Chief Justice and this Chief Justice uses Jameh's party manifesto. He was there when Jameh was nominated using Jameh's party manifesto. He was in the campaign. There are no judges. How can that judge decide on a case? Jameh has been warned, square and fair. And I think if he doesn't respond, the international community, particularly FWAS. And when I say FWAS, particularly Nigeria and Senegal have a responsibility, ours was agreed by FWAS to enforce the will of the Gambian people. Abrima, the question was put earlier to another analyst as to what Adamabarro's options are. So he can, of course, enjoy the mandate given to him by the people to rule them. And someone said he's in the quagmire. Is that what you see, even though he enjoys the support of leaders from across the region and even beyond? How do you analyze now the position that Abrima will be in now? Bara is in a strong position. He's not in the quagmire. I think people who are talking, they have to understand that the majority of the Gambian armed forces and security forces are with Bara. They are not with Jameh. The people who are with him are some of these guys who are in the presidential guard, people who know that they have something to lose. Because we have been discussing and having informal contacts with the security forces and the majority are with the Gambian people. I mean, you have seen that since the election was peaceful, I mean, nothing happened. So I mean, the Gambian security forces are not going to commit suicide. They're not going to be able to fight if there is an accords intervention force, etc. So I think here, most of them are respecting the legitimacy of the constitution that Jameh has, you know, legal power until the 17th of January. But after that, you will see a lot of surprises that has going to happen. All right. Now, Bara's supporters are patiently waiting for January the 19th to see if there will be inauguration. And Jameh is saying that he's not going to let power go. Now, do you in any way foresee a peaceful way out of this current situation? Yes. I know Jameh very well. I mean, for those of you listening to us, who doesn't know me, I trained him when I was in this under-memory and I knew him since high school. I knew him very well. Don't look at the bravado and the guy is a coward. I think if Echo was really sauce their determination that they will come to the Gambia, he will negotiate a way out. All right. Ebrima, also tell us whether you think looking at the precedents of the president now, President Jameh, should he be prosecuted by the time this is all over as everyone is hopeful of? No, I think my, that is really a matter for President-Elect Parv. I think what is important now for us Gambians is really to look at how we're going to have a genuine reconciliation. But a genuine reconciliation also, there have been a lot of victims. Myself talking to you, I've been detained for two and a half years illegally. But there have been people who have not seen their relatives, their bodies, some of them we don't know where they have been detained, etc. So I think we need to establish a truth and reconciliation commission to find out exactly what has happened. So that loved ones would look nowhere there, where their loved ones bodies are or the people who are detained would know. Then from there, we as a Gambian people with the elected government can look at what is the next step. But I think the crucial step now is for Gambians to come together so that we can move forward, establish rule of law, good governance, and also make sure that the Gambian judiciary is independent. It should be the most powerful institution in going forward, rather than being the army or security forces. All right. Now you said earlier that you think that President Jamil could want to cut a deal with the Western powers and talk about it, he was leaders, just to find a peaceful way out of this current situation. Now, don't you think, yes, though, of course I said that Senegal could lead a military force to Gambia to effect the proper change, but don't you think President Jamil could have a plan up his sleeves knowing that it promoted all the military officers, senior officers, a day or two days before it came out to say that it was no longer a party to the current electoral results? Well, I'm talking to you as a former corner of the Gambian armed forces. I mean, we do not have a proper armed forces like in other countries. What we have is a militia. Most of those corner you are talking about, some of them are promoted from side end to captain, from captain to Colonel. They've never done any staff collage or genuine divisional collage. Most of those general cannot even speak proper English. You know, those, though, they were just promoted because in some cases they come from his own ethnic and in other cases they just so loyalty. Do you think those people are not tactically sound? They would not fight. I know what I'm telling you. In 1994 when Jamil was overthrowing the democratically elected government, I was the only officer who stood and fought and fired upon Jamil and his meeting years troops. That time we even have a professional army. Now there is no professional army. Okay, there are some good soldiers here and there and some good officers because Jamil has dismissed any officer who is professional, Jamil has dismissed him and that individual is in exile or has been et cetera. So what we have is a bunch of militias guys and his president's self-guard. I know he has some weapons where he has some orders, some heavy weapons. But by the nature of Jamil's regime, those weapons have never been tested and any military who's listening to me, there are a lot of military experts from Nigeria and all over West Africa listening to me. If you have heavy weapons, you need to zero them. You need to grease them. You need to fire them so that because our country is in Africa, it's very hot. And the metal will extract and contract. So all those heavy weapons that he has, most of them are useless because they were in containers for a long time. Jamil doesn't trust the battalions, they don't exercise, they don't do anything. And I have spoken to a lot of Gambian soldiers, both officers, ensues and men who have said that they are not going to die for Jamil. Why would they die for Jamil when the Gambian people have decided? You are a Gambian living abroad, so you have some perspective. Of course, you are still in tune with what's going on at home. And then you also bring to be a some well European perspective. Now, how do you explain how Jamil has been ruling for this long with his, what's been called outlandish principles and all that? How do you think he's been ruling for this long now, for a country that's not so large? Yet, you know, he still manages to have a firm grip now on his people until now. So to speak, is it that the world hasn't been speaking loud enough or what would you attribute now to his prolonged stay in office? No, he was just lucky in the sense that Gambia does not have that strategic importance like Senegal or like Nigeria, where you have some minerals or etc. And also everybody just were dismissing him and then he knew what he was doing. Basically, Gambia, if you know the geography of Gambia, we are surrounded by Senegal. So he had no external threat. His threat was his internal threat, building a militia just to repress his own people and nobody took. And also to be fair, we have to be honest with you, which is your order. Quite a number of Gambians were complicit in Jamil's exercise. I mean, a lot of people, you got to understand there was a government there, which was democratic, but it was therefore a long period. And when you are the change of government, there were a lot of opportunities who went towards Jamil for whatever various reasons and tried to help him. And then Jamil out of that process started to eliminate them one by one, one by one. So it is a combination of issues and effects and circumstances that have led to what has happened. But I think the Gambian people have opened now and this type of thing will never happen again. All right, Abram Choghan, we are waiting to see what will happen in the Gambia as time goes by till January the 19th. Thank you for your analysis on the political situation in the Gambia.