Welcome to Nuke, Berlin, where I have a dialection with me. First of all, how is the band doing in Sergaut 2018? Yeah, good. As you might have seen, we've got a new lineup. So we're pretty, I mean, that came together as a three-piece sort of about a year ago now. We just got a new guitar player, January, February, I think it was. So good. It's coming together now. This is the first real kind of proper four-length tour that we've done. We've done a show at home. We did the California Death Fest over in San Francisco last year. And we did a two-show tour in Australia. But this is the first four sort of thing. So it's good. It's coming together. A little shaky at the start, getting everything worked out. But I think we're hitting our stride now. So it's good. OK, yesterday, Poland, today, Berlin, Newc club, what are your expectations for this tour? Well, it should be good. I mean, I myself haven't been over here a year or four, 11 years, as the last time I was here on tour. So I'm really looking forward to playing for the audiences here. I think what I've seen with the hype for the show tour on the internet seems to be really, really good. I know the band has been here for quite a few years. So I'm really just keen to see the European crowds. I really, really love Europe. I love Europe. And it's been a while, since we got back. So high hopes. And I'm really looking forward to seeing especially down Italy, France, some of those sort of places where this style goes over really well, I think. So yeah. Yeah. And the whole important are live geeks for you. Very important. I mean, I think this band is, we like to be choosing about what we're and what we play. We're never going to be a band that's touring all the time, because we want to be selective about the shows we play and things like that there. So when it's done right, I like that with the right crowds and the right sort of people. And I think with our particular style, there's like a really strong, so culture, if you like. So it's just been in different areas around the world. I like how I always think that's really, really cool. Okay, let's talk about your music a bit. Where do you draw inspiration for your music and lyrics? Musically, I look a lot of it's the old, like, death metal style, meaning psychophago, blast for me. Yeah, a lot of the old German stuff like creator, destruction, so on and things like that. Some of the new us with the bands as well, like Conqueror and a little bit of Angel Corpse for me personally. But yeah, a lot of that kind of style. Bansarder, extreme, but not too nice and too clean, like ugly, sort of extreme death metal, I think as well. We really draw for it's for our musically. And lyrically, it's just, like in my opinion, I think if this style of music, the lyrical content has to be really, hateful, or be the right word to use for this. You know, and like, really, you got to be very aggressive, not just in the content, but in the phrasing too. Like a lot of verbs, you know, action words, they had that kind of power when you pump them out. And that really kind of primitive old school phrasing, you know, very simple, but staccato sort of words. So lyrically, it's, you know, a lot of that sort of topic thing, but it's also in the way that you write it. And you construct the words to, there's the words themselves, and there's the power in the way that it's pronounced. And the punctuation and the way that's excented and things like that is really important too. So, all those things together kind of balls together into how we draw the music together. Okay. Your music has been described as black and dead metal. So do you consider your music dead metal or black metal, or does it really, you know, play a role? We're not ready to give a shit, you know, it's whatever it is. You know, we play what we play, and tell the other people to decide what they want to call them or whatever. And so, yeah, we just play what we feel as the music that we love, and yeah, we identify with and accounts from with it. And I guess, whatever people want to call them, I don't really give a shit, you know. Yeah, black metal, whatever, it's just nice. Does the, do those genres mean something to you today? Have like special meaning, like black metal is very distinct from Adam. Not today, yeah. Maybe 20 years ago they did, but not today, it's so blurred. And everything so mixed together. And I think the way that the music scene is gone, and just in general, you know, not just metal, the metal and general. Things are a lot smaller and more interrelated than they used to be. So, yeah, I don't really put any credits on labels. Yeah. Yeah, well, you've been on this metal journey for over 14 years now. So, what have been the most memorable moments for you? Well, for me, I'm not the right person to ask. I've been, you know, for like a year with these guys. So, if I was to talk about this man for me, look, definitely, California Diffist last year was a really, really cool thing to... to be a part of and to perform on. And look, I think doing this as well, you know, finding any back here and doing some full length tours for this band, which, you know, is a set for everybody dances. 2014, I think was the last big one. So, you know, just getting out on this, I think it has been the big one. As I said, the band's been just getting itself back together and feeling out that you line up if you like. So, you know, stepping out and this thing that we're doing now is a really important sort of step to take as well. Yeah. Okay, but for you personally, as you know, musical career, what are the most recent, what are the best experiences of what are the worst in the audience? Oh, man. Look, I think my previous band, Donavazel, look, we did some really cool stuff. Like, we were really kind of the first metal band at all to Europe and America from New Zealand. So, just doing that in itself was really cool. But to me, to play with a lot of your, like, kind of heroes, you know, at home, we've done some really big ones like Slayer and people like that. But, you know, the last time we came to Europe, which is 2007, like, a long time ago, Amalace and Chrism playing with them was a really big one as well. So, a lot of the touring sort of stuff to me, it is the most important thing about music is albums, in my opinion, are kind of secondary. It's the life stuff that I really like to get out and do so. So, yeah. Talking about albums, last full length was 2014's Gisembrion. So, we have any idea when we've just heard new music? Next year, yeah. We have a label and a deal. I can't tell you anymore than that, but it's all sorted. We've got the whole album. Wow, one song is almost done and then we've got the whole album done. So, we're pretty much after this tour of our home and writing it. And I think probably recording it sometime between now and December. So, that should be out early next year. Again, I can't give you too many more details in there, but it's all written. It's already to go. We're going to play a few songs on that album tonight, so yeah. Okay, can you tell a bit what kind of music will we hear? I think compared to Gisundrian, it's going to be simpler and more raw, more like Doom Colts or To a lesser degree, we're all audience all. I think everyone in the band is of the opinion that Gisundrian is a really good album. I really like that myself, but I think we all agree we want to go. I like a bit more sample, a bit more primitive and a bit more old school. Gisundrian was a lot kind of clean. It's not the right word, but a bit more tighter and sharper sounding than the older sort of stuff. And I think that that's, that was something we did and that's been done, and now we want to move back in a more primitive sort of direction. So, it's going to be more all on those sort of lines. Yeah. Okay, as it happens, there's actually been, or this summer, there's a few New Zealand metal bands coming to Berlin and we interviewed a couple already. So, how do you see the New Zealand metal scene today? Okay, my honest answer is going to be non-impositive light. I think it's really kind of dyed out at home and a lot of the community, if you want to call it that is non-existent. There's not many bands at home to be honest that I think doing particular good things. See this? I don't really have too many good things to say. Like I really like Horaceyark, I really like three different celebrities in Bacanol. I'm doing some really, really good things at home. There's a lot of other bands that come up and coming, but yeah really it's lost a little bit of what it used to have, so yeah, that's better on episode about that. Okay, so for you, the New Zealand metal scene used to be better. Yeah, I think so. Just more vibrant and more people attending. Like a lot of the venues, at least in our town Auckland, you know, really kind of going on out of business and there's the local scene and the strong as it used to be in people coming along, so it's a bit of a lull patch and I think it's, I mean I wouldn't feel confident saying this about the whole world, but I think you know this is happening in a few places where because a lot of the things that go around music, you know, the infrastructure, the business side of things that have been being depleted for years and years now, it's getting to that stage where it basically makes it hard to make these things work and have the infrastructure, which is what makes this whole thing tick. So yeah, I think it's just a thanks-of-life that goes on with that. Okay, thank you so much and break a leg tonight. No problem, thanks a lot, man. Cheers, appreciate it. Thank you.