Charlie Bronson is a good friend of mine, I'll announce Charlie for a long time. The system may Charlie Bronson. The Bronson is the system. That's his mum and dad. They lock him in cages, treat him like an animal, right? And I know he's got a bad temper, record, but I don't know if all that is a nice person, Charlie Bronson. It does all his art. He's never killed anyone, he's still banged up now. And this is going on, I've got loads of mates who are still in there now, but my codie thing, he's never coming home, right? And he's got these other kids at raise, he's just murdered like kids and things like that. And the treat people more like me, who's asked for a few quids, a lot worse than what I do, Charlie, they want to bang us when I lock me up, you know? There's been the fields out there just getting six months to the third sentence, 18 months, and I'm doing some nasty shit. So not mean, but again, the system is flawed as a fault in it, it's set up to fail. What was Charlie Bronson like then? How's he, these don't good content? It was a funny story. We was in Franklin's and there's only got 10 cut me eyes. He's turned up there. Can you know, he's fucking shut the guy was in, and we were like, what? But really, so he like, don't do things like that, mate. And then he gets a turn, that'll stand with fella. And he looks like he's a grass. Well, I know him from, I know him, I know him, I'm strapping bombs to security guards, right? I know all about it because people come from my area. Most of our brothers sort of brought up in areas, you know, they are. If you watch a film called Town, Boston was the main thing for our brothers, Canyon Town in Stratford, was a breeding campground for people like me, you know? So, and say anyway, Couls in the grass, so I swelled that mask off, sweep the gaisers legs, kicks the gaisers in it, knocks him out the floor. So, once we're fucking healthy, what a fucking kick that was, I mean, yeah. Also, now they have all the scrolls come out, we're in Franklin Prison. And then we're trying to take me off the yard right. So, they come all, can I ever make them come in? So, me and Bronson, all about, so the company eyes were fucked. We have to have it all full of scrolls. So, we had a big punch out of the scrolls, they've run, they've run, they've run. All the scrolls have run, started locking themselves in the blocks, so they go, what, let's take the gel over. But never, never, never, ever happened in Franklin before. So, I'll start if it fat me, I'll start this off, I'll get up and turn it, all right. So, I was going to come and let's just lay it, let's say, look at the cells, anyway, it all gets calmed down, then it goes off again. And then Bronson's in the valve again, anyways. So, they put me down the block. So, they said, right, if you don't come out the block, don't get him out the block, we're going to smash your gel up, right? So, they give in. So, this is a funny story, this is so. They said, right, we want to see, we want to give, we want to hear what you want to say about cockney eyes or cockney double eyes. He said, we want to hear what you said. So, there's going to be three governors, bring three inmates and we'll sit down and stop the beatings and all that's what we wanted, right? So, he goes into the governor's office, there's a governor sitting there, governor sitting there, governor sitting there, I was a nicky damper at the house, we walked through there, there's another cat, Gary, I said, right, would you want, all son of dog, go, go, go, go, flick so open, and I joking, you stand in, bullet naking, big parabots on, he had a flushing tube off at the night and he went to the governor's door there, twerr, and I joking, and three governors sat there like that, you don't sound like Tom and Jerry, they went, it's a slip of food of things like that. And I said, that was Charlie Bronson, he was just like a, a fucking character, because he only got jail for, I don't know about anything, yeah, no, he's over 30 years. Yeah, and he's still in there, I mean, like, loads of people in there like him, he should be, do you think he'll ever get out? I hope he does, it's a nice bloke, I hope he does, it's loads of people like Paul Glenny should be released, he should be there, because he is my co-defin, he never killed that person, it should be released, but he was there, he's going to get some burb, but that lock him up for the rest of his life, I say it didn't though. Yeah. Charlie Bronson was there, Charlie, you know, I went all the way through Charlie, what was Charlie's? Charlie's good as gold, you know, many books and a funny thing, I meant to be going to see Charlie right with the screen right, because there's different stuff happening here and done, you know, he mentioned me in all, you know, his books, I mean, his books from them days, when we was coming through that stuff. So I went all the way through with Charlie, I like Charlie, he's like that old school, he's very like the old man in the circus. But Charlie, Charlie, Charlie is misunderstood in a lot of ways, I think we all was, you know, then, really. He did a robbery, now he's still in. He's just, he's on. Yeah, because I'm, I had Vic Darkon as well, I know you know, Vic, really, apparently, Charlie, he's sent a message, want me to send a message to Charlie for, because he'll try to get him out for, and he's released, and he should be released. Charlie on the show for the podcast, because I know he's never been. I think he writes a lot of letters, and he does as well, he knows it's by art, it's James. And people who spent time with him speak highly of them, but again, the people who are involved with him, we're all high security fucking, there's 10 people who take you for a shit in a show, there's, so you've, for people who speak out and say he's a good guy, people won't understand it, they won't understand it. They'll be going, we'll be using fucking nuts. Use that, you can move that, I'm downstairs, and sleep in concrete. You ever have my Charlie Bronzon? Yeah, there are, there are, there's with Charlie Bronzon, up in Franklin to present, I was next door to him in a segregation unit, and I was next door to him in, sorry, I was within the Winston Green. Who was it? President. Charlie Bronzon, I think, is an absolutely adorable person. It was, it was always a gentleman to me, he was always extremely kind. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the best press in the world, but he was always a gentleman to me, and a gentleman, and he was, I'll say, he was to me, I thought he was a bit of a lovable rug. Yeah, because I think he's a rough diamond, right? He's spent over 40 years, he never did a month or two, he's the constant winner, I think it's the press that maybe keep him in, but I think he's trying to change that now, I think he's got a good team behind him, because I was speaking to Vic that, and he says he's trying to get a team behind him, where they're not trying to portray that amused, because all the books and films, it's all violence, they're trying to change that to hopefully get him out there. But of course, Charlie's big enough to take this, but some of his artwork could be considered homophobic, and I think this is why he received his last sentence, because an art teacher called Charlie out on that, Charlie went to the art teacher, said, what do you think of my art? And the teacher, I believe, was gay, wasn't too favourable in his comments to Charlie, and Charlie kicked off, and now he's got the sentences got now. I don't think Charlie Bronson is homophobic, I think he's provocative, and of course I wish him well, and Charlie, if you've got a mobile phone, you see this, send me a visit in order, and I will come up and say any way you are in this country. Who was my despair, Mr. Bronson? Charlie Bronson, how do you feel? Yeah, we had Charlie Bronson. I love Charlie. I love people don't like him, but I felt him very, very funny. I'm still in touch with him to a certain extent today, but he was kind of the reason I liked Charlie Bronson back in the early days, not so much now. I mean, I still like him, he's a nice guy. I wouldn't like him living next door to me, that's for sure, but I've had him living next door to me in a block, in I don't, but he was kind of like, in the 80s where the screws had complete control of the prison system before strange ways, Joe's like ones were from Brixton, the screws were brutal, and I mean, absolutely brutal. And to see Charlie Bronson struggling for a prison with eight screws running after him, and him just marching a lot, like within a moment in the doors and trying to get out of his way before, because that's what he is doing, just a pair of boots and a prison raincoat, he was kind of our guy, you know, I mean, he was our, not, I wouldn't say hero, but he was our tool against the prison system, you know, he was actually knocking screws up an ear and knocking them out, and if, when we done it, we was getting off-killed, you know, I mean, so he was kind of a bit of a hero. How much could, how, through as that that he could feed, he could scrap Charlie? He could have a good rare one. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say we're Superman, you know, and what I found in Joe is, a lot of people who you think might be sort of invulnerable, or they've got a reputation of being so hard, you can't even, they're not really that. I mean, everybody's human, everybody's got their own weakness.