Well, it's a class where students must be uncreative and unoriginal. And if they are creative and if they are original, they get marked down in their grades. So they quickly learn how to be uncreative. So they must appropriate, they must plagiarize, they must not write anything original, they must not pretend that anything they're writing is original, they must claim texts for their own that aren't theirs. And my students are very good writers already. So I don't need to make them better writers, but they're very bad Steelers because they've been stealing for so long, but they've never thought about what they're stealing and why they're stealing it. And so this forces them to theorize their theft and make them smarter and better. Because really at this point nobody is original, nobody should be original anymore. It's the way that they're putting together pre-existing information that is really moving forward in the future. There's no turning the clock back. Yeah, well, this is the same thing. I don't write anything, I don't write my own books. No, I mean I just get interested in something and then I either transcribe it or copy it. Well, the author is no longer a, the notion of genius has changed. Genius is no longer an isolated figure in a Garrett instead genius is somebody who is assembling things in the world that have already been made and putting them together in new ways. And so it's the, you know, it's, I actually think of it like a hip hop DJ. Nobody ever said to a hip hop DJ, you didn't play the drums on those tracks. And of course he doesn't play the drums, but he's got the best drum samples and the way he puts them together with the best bass samples is going to make him the best DJ. And that's actually kind of the way people are writing now. No need to write anything new. I think the paradigm of the hip hop DJ is the way writing's moving forward. Well, in 1959 a, uh, poet named Brian Geisen said that, uh, poetry was 50 years behind painting. Um, you know, the art world is, is long been open to other strategies that writing has never even experimented with say appropriation. It's a very old fashioned in the writing world or even the music world, the samples. And now literature is now just getting to it, you know, sort of a hundred years after Marcel Duchamp literature is finally taking a Duchampian strategy. So I say it's pretty, pretty slow. Pretty far behind right now. No, they're all part of uncreative writing. They're all different strategies with them within uncreative writing. What isn't part of uncreative writing would be pastiche or taking a line from here or there. You know, that's not plagiarism. Plagiarism is actually taking something in its entirety again like Duchamp and moving it from this place to this place. And therefore it's new and it's different even though you didn't do anything to it, you changed its context. So appropriation moves in a whole not fractions and not fragments. They're no longer interesting. No, it's consensual. It's like an SNM club. We all agree to play roles and we play those roles. So it's consensual and nobody gets hurt. No animals were harmed in the making of an uncreative writer. It's all fantasy. I don't think we can understand audience anymore. I think there was a time in which one could assume that there was an audience. Now the audience is so big and so thin that we don't really have any sense of who we're speaking to. And I don't really think we're speaking to anybody. I don't think anybody's paying attention. I think we're paying attention to headlines and tweets and things that move very quickly. But I don't think we're really engaging with content in the same way that we once engage with content. And I don't think that's good or bad. I just think it's a new situation and there's nothing, you know, we can, there's no point complaining about it because that's the way it is. So I just prefer to try to adjust myself to it. And that's I think it's my it's my problem, not the media, not the culture's problem. Oh, I mean, I do write the text of my daily online routine. I think the new memoir is our browser history. You want to know anything about me? Look at my browser history. You'll know everything about me. So, you know, I mean, I'm just online all the time. I'm never offline. I get depressed when I'm offline. I feel dead when I'm not connected to the web. Well, it's it's all stored. Isn't it? It's all all the memory. All the memory memory is on my hard drive or on my on the cloud or, you know, on my Twitter feed. I'm not worried about it because unfortunately or for better or worse, you know, everything is archived now. And, you know, every performance is archived. Everything is photographed. There's going to be no problem with remembering. I don't have to remember because the web does it too well for me. If I need them, I can Google them. I can Google my memories better than I can remember them. And so, so I don't have now I don't have to keep it here. It's all there.