Hello, I'm Philip Stoten for ID People. I'm here at Wise Media's in May of Summit in Abu Davi and I'm joined by Mr. Kamarang, who is from the Ministry of Interior, Kurdistan. Thank you very much for joining me. Start by telling me about the developments in identity and security specific to Kurdistan. Sure, thank you for this meeting and really, you know, like Iraq and we are one part of Iraq. The Kurdistan region government is one part of Iraq. We have a big challenge for the security against terrorism and organized crime as sure. In our ministry in Kurdistan region government, we could to keep a very good security in the country. It's not like South and Middle of Iraq. You see in the TV and in the news every day is car bomb in Middle or center Baghdad so but in we have three cities, what is below KRG or Kurdistan region government. The security is very, very good and when you have a security very good also, it's coming a lot of companies towards there, the best money and the business is going well. Air bill like it's capital of the Kurdistan in flowing day by day, a lot of expertise of the economy they said maybe it's next Dubai and Orient. About security, sure we use a lot of technology in our security, like we have a best laboratory for forensic laboratories in all Iraq, by help of United States and State Department they build this and they train us. We use biometric also in the airport and in the checkpoint of the border and so on. This is also a help to catch a lot of criminal or the wanted or terrorism. By our database we have biometric in our database itself. And we have two international airports also we have this technology in there. Only this year we catch about 187 criminals, they have thick passport on residential soil. Technology is helped a lot in our job. Plus also we use DT500 coping for explosion and narcotic discovery explosion. We put in the board and the board between Iran and Kurdistan and Turkey also. And this is by this group and we could stop the terrorists to bring explosive inside of our so our country and the plus we could stop the narcotic also. Sure we started to put our technology in infrastructure in our ministry in 2003. And we started step by step because the technology is need, money, resources, training and we make step by step. Sure we don't use all technology in the world. I don't think anybody in the country in the world. But by this technology what we do it we could keep security in the country. Sure a lot of people they ask about Iraq and Afghanistan especially. You know there is a lot of challenge to fight the terrorism also. And a lot of people, the foreign people who is working in air beer or in Kurdistan there. How KRG, the Ministry of Ontario they could keep security in north of Iraq, what we call Kurdistan. But the rest of Iraq is not secure. Sure the answer of this question there is a lot of factor. I think the first is loyalty of the citizen for there is government and there is country. Kurdistan region every citizen is police. And they give all information if you see crime, terrorism. They call the our forces and we know how we do it. The second the technology what we use it also in our directories, different doctors, it's help us to keep the security. The third also the training what we do it in USA and a lot of European countries to train our police and this is they come back they train we call train for trainers like program also they affect the security. Plus the leading ship also. The management and how they make plan against terrorism and so on. This is 24 hour they work hard and by this way we could to keep the security. Sure there is another factor small factor also inside but it's not now in mind. And this way we could to protect our country against terrorism. And I think terrorism also is international work. There is no country is there is no risk to be attacked. But I can guarantee how our country is secure from 2003 until now until today. Not America no foreign con. Foreign people is be killed or injured in our country. And we wanted to keep this record. And that's important to you and it's it's a bigger challenge not just in terms of what you have to do but in terms of publicity because your neighbor or because Iraq and Afghanistan are close and those those relationships. So is international expectation higher for Kurdistan than for anywhere else you think? Oh now we have you know because of the security is good you know the security is economy is related to security which country they don't have a good security as the world of many so well because our security is very well a huge number of company they come in a lot of. Only in Erbih we have 8000 foreign company they were over all the world. Now we don't have only terrorist challenge. Now we have another crime what is not we are not family with them before. It's finance crime for example because our time is extension the development extension is coming and are the protest to it or the to sell the women as well. This we don't have and then for now we study how we make more training and we get experience experience for another country also. We're not cutting before we don't have a cutting now. This crime as a new crime when the society and the development and the the countries be double up now is coming in new crime in our country what are we don't know what how we work with. Therefore we open a lot of sections in the our ministry and we sent to the European country and to what they have country they have expert experience and we wanted to train our employees like cyber crime now in Kurdistan in six years before. We don't have internet we don't have anything from two thousand three and now we have a lot of internet crime also. This crime also now is a big challenge for us our ministry work on and this is a new for us. Yeah so new challenges and I think it sounds like there is a very integrated security system a good security system and the point that you make which is really good I think is the link between security investment and development and if you don't have these you can't invest back in security and plus because we are in one conference of technology and so all time I said to a lot of our friends who is help us in technology like state department like European Union so you know I said it's not only equipment that technology is needed training it's like matmatic equation if you give me a equipment without training the equation is equal zero if you give me training without equipment equals the equipment plus training you got result and this is in beginning we have little problem because a lot of country they help us by technology not training it's a look we cannot get anything or we get training in the USA they coming you don't have this modern equipment in our country after three month the our officer they forget what they learn and therefore I said technology plus training yeah then you kind of get get result and technology is playing or playing a big role in the security yeah and all director yeah mr. Cameron thank you very much thank you thank you thank you thank you