Rana Ahmed is such a pleasure to have you with us. I want to talk to you first about the photo in MAKA with the Atheist Republic sign. Tell me about that. In this moment I was really afraid. I was really such a mixed feeling. You are a Muslim. You are a atheist. And you are here in this place with 2 million or 3 million Muslims. I want to say with this paper, I am not alone. If you come here, you are not alone. If you are here, you are someone else here. I want to say help me for all the world. I want to send message also for the government in Saudi Arabia. You don't let the people to be free in the religion. There is exposem come here. There is a atheist come here by force by the family. They don't have choice. If you don't allow the freedom of religion, this is what will happen. I think also the Muslim society, they will not be heavy if you are exposem or you are a Catholic or a atheist and you are a Maka. There is no freedom. There is no accept for us. Exosem, this is what will happen. I think I am not alone. Only the one girl who go there by force by the family. Before I came here, those things are showing you. And also stay back a bit about time. Okay, because I want to get some change. So when you went to Maka, did you go with your family or was it something you plan to do? No, it was the fact that my mother was thinking something wrong with me. She was thinking maybe Rana and she not believe anymore. Maybe Rana think different now and she wants to be sure. I am not something else. Only Muslim and she planned to make this trip. I don't want to go. I do everything. I say I am sick. I have a lot to do in work. My mom, please, I don't want to go. But she wants to make me really clean from inside. She wants me to go there to make this pass and we go. And in this moment, whenever she was going, I feel really sad. I want to cry but I can't. You can show your feeling for your Muslim family. You have to be smiling. I am happy because you will go there. But from inside, I was like, something killed me. And by this photo, I want to say, I am suffering. Please, someone come. Please, someone help me. I want to say it for the government. I am here like a cafe. Did you all accept that? It's interesting that you saw it as a way of asking for help. For us who saw it, it looked like such a strong act of resistance. It looked like someone is strong but I don't. I know if someone sees me take this photo, I will be killed in this moment. But I don't care. I want to show the world. I think it's for us to go there. We are like exposed to go there. Did someone know that? I think other people say this photo, I think I am really strong. I want to make something. I've missed a snap. But I only want to respect me like a extreme slip. I only want to respect me like someone. Don't believe in God. Please leave me alone. What are some of the other aspects of the fact that you were exposed to mensdhaudia Arabia? This pressure to do things that you didn't want to do is one aspect. Tell me a bit about the others, also the fact that you are a woman. Like women, you can't talk about zero rights. It's how we get rid of you for a woman. You are an exposed man. You want to go out, you can't. You want to have your flat or your room, you can't. You want to do something to get out from your family or from society, you can't. Because you are a woman, it's how we are Arabia and Muslim society. I was really thinking from long, long time. I was crying in my bed. I said, please someone come to help me. I don't notice that someone will help me. If I plan, if I have power, if I think about really way to get out from there, it will be really like really. And this would happen. I was planning for more than two years to get out. And after two years, it's done. You do lots of protests against the veil, the Netgob and all-encompassing hair job. Tell me how it felt to wear it and also why you think the sort of protest is so important. Like, at the first wedding, I was working every day like a Muslim woman. And from inside, you are not. And I have photosho how it's this mix for me. I was drawing like a face in my hand and I was putting the net up. And I do it for myself. I want to see my life in my eyes to have like power. When I get out from here and also this photo like publish everywhere because it's really show you. Someone really at least from inside but from outside Muslim. Even for Muslim girl, I was here something like from Muslim girl. They say, I don't want to wear hijab. I don't want to wear a half. I am Muslim but I don't want to do that. I know my religion, I know my God, but I don't want to do it. I don't have choice in our society and Muslim or so. I would be in the Middle East in general. So what do you feel now that you're out? I mean there are so many problems still out here as well. Culture, relatives, tolerance for everything from the net up to Sharia courts. How do you feel now that you're out? And what do you feel you need to do still? I want really to watch Europe or Germany especially. So first to verbiten hijab for children. This is really important. I don't know how the society like Europe accepts that. I think it's normal when you say children like girls five or six years, but this is not hard. Then you think you are the defilia society and we have to do that. Or what's the point to accept that? No one can feel what this girl feeling. I was wearing that when I was nine or ten years. I know what I was feeling. I live with that. I know how she feels. I don't want anyone to suffer. I think in the future I will try to do something to address that. And also to address Nekap or Boko. We are in open society. Everyone not feels shame from his face. Why you are shame here? You have right, you have your choice. I think there is no woman choose to wear that. I don't think so. And what's this new project also? A silent, for atheist refugees explain what you are doing? After what happened to me, after I get help from a history of public, from a Muslim Britain, from amazing people I know from internet, I think here in Germany you have really to build an organization. Not only GBS or expose them to the country. We have something really to help other with name Atheists. And we build something Atheist Refugee help. This it will be like helping supporting Atheist Refugee by money and help, by contact by network, do something really to help them. We start like three people, me and other two friends with GBS. And then we start to be more big and more. And then we have this organization. We hope this one can really help other Muslim or Atheists in this world. So tell me about contacts in Saudi Arabia. I'm sure there are people who contact you and who are inspired by what you've done. Talk a little bit about that. I feel really hard to block it when I hear from girl Rana Bles do something for me. When I know she don't have a sword, she don't have anywhere to get out. I feel like if I have a board, I will send all my flat to get this girl here. I feel like really sorry. I feel like how it's come now in 2018, it will be. And still there is women, they can't get out from them house. They can do simple things like walking history, like removing them cover, like talking with other people. It's something really make you really feel bad from this. And you know, because Saudi Arabia is rich country with the oil, no one can do anything with this country. You can't fuck your people, there is no problem. But from other way, I will try in the future to make law to protect this woman. Not only Saudi Arabia, even in other countries. One final question is, you know when you talked about being in Makhir and you were feeling so desperate and so it was like a cry for help. How do you feel now? I feel I am proud about myself. I can't say that because now and every day I walk here in Germany, I feel like, Rana you deserve to have your freedom. And I feel like in every moment I want to bring more to this feeling. All the girls they have to really feel what I feel like. If I can share it in any way to all the girls in the Muslim society, I will do it. Everyone really deserves to be free, not only me. Just one final question, you speak German? Yes, I speak German now. I have to speak German because I want to study nuclear physics or quantum mechanics. So I really have to work fast for my language. I am now in like a preparing year for university. And I think next year I will start my university. Brilliant, brilliant. Good luck with that. Thank you, my darling.