You're not there from? Where's your parents? Um... England? I'm quite basic. British or... Good British in English and this thing's not there. English is actually a fruit heritage. British is being born there. Yeah. So our family... Yeah. Typical... A British... Very... Religious... Set for me. It all ended up with our family. Not my... Like my mum and dad not religious whatsoever. But our relatives... Very religious. And in fact... Going back... 150 years... They... One of them, the Jackson's, started the... Salvation Army... Oh really? With... Civilian booth. And, um... Yeah, so my... My dad's... Dad's... Mum and dad were like captains in the Salvation Army. So, well, do you need any chances to do the best? I think my old man and his brother, they were in the army in the... Kind of... After World War II... In Burma. And then... Yeah, I think my... My way came out. He went to Canada to work for a bit. And my... His brother... Was the one who went to Rada. So, come out the army. Went to Rada. Learn acting. Yeah. And he became the actor. That's what he's too often. Exactly. So, I've got to... Got to be an actor. As we're saying this, Everyone's got to be an actor. Yeah. Oh, definitely. I've suffered from that for a not really years. Everything's been word of mouth. I've been quite fortunate. You've done... It's weird that you were introverted when you were at school. Shy or, you know, quieter than... You become a model. And a fucking cage fighting warrior. Yeah. That's weird, isn't it? Yeah, never ever went into a fight. Not thinking I'm gonna lose. I'm feeling like being scared that you're gonna lose. You know, thinking this is... You know, I'm like, what am I doing here? Is that your psychopathic tendencies coming from? Well, it's really good. It's switching off. It's always about switching off, isn't it? And just... Because when you switch off and become a present, you know, a present really meditate so much but I learned to offer a while and it's really... Yeah, that's how it helps massively. But just being present, because all you're worried about is Sonora. I kept thinking life, isn't it? You know, businesses go wrong. You just... Thought what might happen? It's the thought I've got. As soon as I get out and I'm in the car hitting to work, my mindset is switched to... Right, let's just crack on. Yeah. Because nothing is that... Difficult and life threatening. You know, yes, people are gonna be disappointed some people are gonna be upset or it's gonna be stress. Things aren't gonna go to plan. Things may cost money. That's life, isn't it? Yeah, but that's the thing that... I forget about ourselves as well. Maybe I don't know, maybe it's just... Underneath somewhere deep, it's some sort of self-esteem thing. Because, you know, in reality, we always get resolved. You know, so I've maxed he's got tattoos on his arm, you know. It's... It's like in the disability. People are right in the end. If it isn't, they'll ride it isn't in the end. I wish a disability marks. I wish one. How many tattoos you got? Um... That's one. Seven. And I got it done in... Got it done in... Yeah, Port Smith. And that evening, I thought I was really cool. So we went out at night at Brighton and I had a short sleeve denim shirt on. Cut off, especially so I can show my... My arm. And then, um... The bounces... Wouldn't let me in the club. This is in Brighton as well. Well... You would never think Brighton would be like that. No, I would not. You know, the most kind of... Cosmopolitan outrageous place to be... Go out in the evening. Yeah. And they wouldn't let me out. It's in his club. So I think we had to go outside and someone had to let me their shirt to get in there. Really? Yeah. I've got my one, especially, so I'd like, I wouldn't ever get... Nick and... No, I just... I just want to hand one to basically like... Now, if I'm wearing a shirt and a nice jumper, just for like, certain business, that's good. I guess. A whole section of the ground floor. So I introduced the lower ground floor, but the stairs back in down there. So it rearranged the whole house. But with those tall slim houses, it's really nice to be able to integrate the floors. Max has lived in a few that we've done ourselves. And it just gets you to live in the whole house. I mean, so many people in our by-houses, and they're by-house, they've got a 5,000 square foot. But they're living about, seriously, about... About 1,000, 1,000, 2,000 square foot. That's what they'll live in. So it's just trying to get one to introduce... Into the possibilities and... Yeah. So, like, you build the floor around the house, that they have to go in these areas. And they want to go in, you know, is there's all about drawing everyone through, you know, through every area of the house on a daily basis. So, you know, that's on the philosophy behind it. And then you did the lovely hotel in... Ibiza? Yeah. So what was that before you did the refurb? Was it like an unmodernized hotel? Fundamentally, yeah. It was... It's... It's certainly an iconic building. It's one of the few sort of... Art Deco buildings. Yeah, it was. Left in Ibiza, I mean, you know, as a handful. And obviously Jason Ball... The guys... They bought it, and they bought it... When they were still young, sort of like, young party goes, really. They just started this hotel, and it became the party hotel in Ibiza. Really? Yeah, it was a start, you know, sort of, it was very, very decadent. Now, by the time I came along, everyone got a bit older. And, you know, while they still wanted to go and have fun, they wanted to have fun in a more, kind of, a appropriate manner. You know, we've got a bit more money, we've got quite well, sort of coming back year-off in the year. And it's also just like going to be the kind of, you know, sort of like early 20s madness. Everyone's starting to have 30s now. And it's starting, you know, not like families to stay with, sort of, just just sort of evolving in life. So the idea was to be part of the evolution of it. I'm starting with the deco part, which turned out, you know, was very successful one-on-the-ward. And it was just went for the rest of the hotel. It was kind of a five-year experience. And I was already sort of, because I see it back in the off season, might have to get the chance to watch Jason at work, teaching all his staff, which is really fascinating. It's certainly well now, because obviously I've got a hotel up in Hastings now. I'm just getting an understanding of how you, you know, how you can really, really sort of understand your clients. Because I always, I do that from a design perspective, but he does it from a sort of like a lifestyle and service perspective. You know, so... Does he still run hotels now? Yeah. Yeah, no, Jason's got three, I think. What in I be the all over the place? Yeah, you know, be the... We're in barking and other things together. He's supposed to be involved in beef, but he's a bit... He's quite tied up at the moment in... In the office doing an I be the... What was his background? Jason was a Rufa. Jason was a Rufa. Yeah, he was also extremely... So he made some money then, got into... Really, he just actually went to a booth. He just let the goose go down the whole day, and he managed to... Yeah, managed to make enough money. What in the 80s, kind of when it all kicked off? Yeah, they bought it cheap. It was, you know, completely turned it around, turned it into very successful. And just, you know, finally got to a point where he had earned enough money in equity to refurbish the whole hotel. Then obviously we sort of like took it over. Yeah. Took it over. And just they closed in the off season. And it's very I beef and start, basically. Yeah, yeah. Every time they they clicked to the closed season, we're supposed to start there, like first of September. And we'd never get started till January. Then we had this mad rush of three months before we opened again in the end of March. Was it always his plan to do it up and sell it? No. No. Just do it up and operate it. And then they got to a certain point and some of the guys wanted to sell. There was an awful lot of interest. So there was a bidding war on it in the end. And then obviously we won Best Spanish Bar, Best Spanish Hotel, Best European Bar, Best European Hotel. Two of them had the International Proposary Awards and International Design Architecture Awards. So, you know, it's done exceptionally well. First hotel, really, it was a couple of years. So that got sold? That got sold. That got sold to Messi. He was the best bid. Messi's family because... Was he actually involved in the purchase or not just his company? His family is very involved in the business. Did he actually come to see the hotel? I don't know if he's been there. I just don't know if he's been there now.