So we're here at the Watercube in Cape Town, South Africa. I'm sitting here with, well, please introduce yourself. I'm Helen Zeland, I'm the premier of the Waste and Cape. Yeah, just to zoom in a little bit, huh? That's in a nice emblem. Yes, that's my nice premier's folder. So you won't see what my papers get put in. So you're from Cape Town? Yes, from Cape Town. I live out just up here. And it's very exciting to see this magnificent exhibition here in the Cape Town International Convention Centre. Yeah. And I mean, it's all about water. It's all about water and water and urbanisation. Yeah. And Africa is going to feel the enormous pressure of water as our population urbanises and is urbanising. And one of the major challenges is to get basic services to everybody, fresh water being the most crucial of them. And particularly when water sources become polluted, through lack of adequate sewage systems, getting fresh water and getting sewage systems working, actually are joint challenges that we face. So water and urbanisation is a very, very appropriate challenge for us to be meeting and dealing with right here in Cape Town. Sorry about that. That's just typical. Journalists always have this sort of challenge. Well, we're not even a journalist, that's why it's funny. But anyway, so what's your experience in what Cape Town is doing or South Africa as a whole, maybe? Well, Cape Town provides basic water access to clean, fresh, drinkable water to just about 100% of its residents. Yeah. And that is a great achievement in the extent of urbanisation in the city. And it's going to be more and more of a challenge because as climate change hits us, as people urbanise further, as the climate dries out, as it's predicted to be on the cards for us, the major challenge is ensuring that human life has enough fresh water to survive. And that becomes the priority necessity in every hierarchy of needs. OK, and have you had felt that impact yet of climate change here in Cape Town? We believe that we have experienced the impact of climate change. It's very difficult to tell unless you get a graph over time. But we've had one of the hottest drives to winters ever. I don't know, obviously you can't tell from a representative sample of what we're talking about. Well, it was very hot yesterday. But we've had some extreme events. We've had some extreme events. And more floods and more extreme weather incidents than I certainly remember being routine in the past. So just to conclude, if you, I mean, this is your message to the world because everyone will see that, what would that be on water? Water is the essence of life. Our bodies are something like 70% water, even though there's quite good surface tension, its holes isn't all together. Luckily. Luckily, we're all together by surface tension. But without water, they can't be live. And before we die of hunger, we would die of thirst a long time before. And without clean, fresh, drinking water, pertabaw water, we can't run a successful country. We can't even provide the basic necessities of life. So looking after our water resources, there's got to be a very top priority in the world going forward. That sounds big challenge though. It's a new law must challenge, especially with rapid urbanization. And that's why this year's World War Today is linking the two. We've got a lot of urbanization. And when people come in large numbers, when we poor people to come and live in cities and put up checks for themselves, they have no access to clean, fresh water sources. They have no access to decent, surrogate services. They have no access to electricity. Or all of the other necessities that people in established areas take from rotten. And no matter how much a government focuses on making those services a priority, the bigger the challenge, because the urbanization overtakes the society's capacity to prepare for it. And water's a number one of those challenges. OK, well, thank you very much for this interview. Thank you. And thank you for hosting us here in Cape Town. It's wonderful. Yeah, I hope you have a good day as well. He's coming three days, and especially because World War Day is on Tuesday and it's Sunday today. So thanks. Well, it's wonderful weather here in Cape Town. We are having a magnificent time. And I suppose you yourself can see why Cape Town is one of the iconic cities of the world. Definitely. Thank you very much.