I like to make pictures. I made a few sculptures. I made a little bit of pottery, but basically I'm a painter. I'm not complaining, but I've had to overcome a lot of early success in the sense that the early things that people saw were very commercial things. I was 40 when I had my first exhibition, which quite old, really. But that's just the way it was for me. If you like visual things, you know, that's what you like. You like all kinds of things and the only criteria should be, was it any good? Do you like it? I am very Sydney. I live beside Sydney Harbour, which is a fantastic place to be. I kayak on the harbour. I feed the fish. I don't like to catch them anymore. I feed them. In fact, if anybody comes down here and they say, I say, I know there's no fish around here. No fish around here. But of course, there are top of the tide. There's eight big brima, almost known by name. Come around each morning. There's parts of the harbour close by here where we live that hasn't changed forever at no houses. We look exactly the same as when Aboriginal people lived here or even later when Capcom Cook came through. That's one of the great things about Sydney, I think, is that they've still preserved that natural landscape in some parts. It's such a beautiful place, almost inevitably, you'll make pictures that try to be beautiful. You can't be as beautiful as yourself. You can never be as beautiful as nature. You cannot. But all you can do is to use that environment to lead you to make a painting that somehow might have the feeling of it. It's a complicated picture and it clearly set out to show that there's a kind of public face that I have that's most of the time smiling and most of the time optimistic. But there's another face, maybe another even two faces within there, that I hope shows a sad aside or a different kind of sensitivity. Glen designed a house for us. We've known him a long time. He's a lovely man. And I did make a small drawing, but I wanted to make the painting as simple and as elegant as one of his buildings. I love the fact that in the portrait gallery you've sometimes shown them both together and it just shows his elegant simplicity against the kind of complication of myself, Portrait, which I would say straight to the psychiatrist looking at that by the way.