You mana-deaf faces a lot of problems, smaller problems such as a dead battery on your telephone, but also bigger problems, so-called Wicked Problems. And TableQ University offers the GMSI program, Global Management of Social Issues, and Global Management of Social Issues deals with Wicked Problems. You're the doctor at TableQ, you're the professor. What is a Wicked Problem? What do you guys discuss in class? Well, a Wicked Problem is sort of a special type of organizational policy problem, one that is characterized by high complexity, so the different parts of the problem are interconnected in a way that we usually have a hard time to understand. Not my parents, but some of their friends, they don't believe in climate change because they were never thought that this was a problem. So I think it starts with the young generation. It's about changing the fundamental moral and ethical values that you have. And rather than having this view of being so materialistic, it means that I want this car, I want this thing, I want the other one, it's more about cooperation and leaving your life but sustainably. So it's both different in the Netherlands than in Peru. But can you say that there are no poor people in the Netherlands? Or... We started out with this concept of poverty that basically so that you need to have enough to survive, right? But in a country like the Netherlands, you could also argue that a basic need is that you have enough to be accepted socially and society. We all need Wi-Fi ladies and gentlemen, we all need Wi-Fi. When your life would be very hard, if you would not be able to afford it in an evidence, because it would be very hard to apply for an employment benefit for instance. One more question for you, Monica, because you said in the beginning, well, we need to change Venezuela, which is now of course an oil country. So what are you going to do? Well, I think the first step that we need to take is that we cannot go into the highest demands of energies that develop countries have, with the current means of producing this energy. So the first step that we need to bring is produce energy in a more sustainable way. So more innovative ways, technologies when solar panels... Is it like a very close to the Netherlands? No, but that's what I was saying before. We need to have a share responsibility of countries helping other countries, like not only with money, but also with training. Thank you so much for your information. Thank you for watching and a good luck with everything with the studies and everything that you do beside the study. Thank you very much. Thank you so much.