Back in the day in 1982 you auditioned for Kiss, you were basically 18 years old at the time or something. What was it like? You're standing there with the biggest rock bands on the planet and you're just basically a kid. What did it feel like at that point? Well, it was kind of, I felt like it was just kind of, you know, when you think about Hollywood, you think about people come from all over the world and they come to Hollywood to make it. And I didn't plan on it being with Kiss, but I felt like, okay, this might be what I'm supposed to do, you know, to come to Hollywood and join Kiss, you know. I just didn't really think about it too much. I was definitely scared to look at them in the eyes in a sense because at that time people had never seen them without their makeup and I felt like I was breaking the rules, you know, if I looked them in their face. But, but I mean, in the end I was just too young, you know, I think, but we had, we had some good jams and it was the first time I ever got to play through giant stacks of marshals, you know, I had never done that before. It always been like a half stack. Yeah. But, you know, why, how did you, how did that then, you know, why didn't you get the gig at that point? I just, I was too young. They knew it, you know, I mean, I was, I was a kid. These guys were, you know, international rock stars and I was just a kid. I think, you know, my experience, look, here's the thing, David, is, is you want to get a gig? It doesn't, it's 50% how good you are and it's 50% how cool you can hang out together. Yeah. Because you, in a band, you got to be like, it's like a family. It's like you got to be able to hang out together and, and be comfortable and not have any kind of weird, anything, anything weird going on because, you know, you're going to be together on a bus, you're going to be together in hotels. It needs to be comfortable for the band and probably they could see that I was not comfortable because I was so young, I was nervous. And, and so they would, you know, that's probably why they decided this is, my plan was probably okay, but they're not going to be comfortable on a tour bus with a kid. What was like, you know, being with Jean Simons, you know, he does sometimes seem like a very demanding, not only a musician, but a businessman in a way, you know, what was he like? He was very, he was very funny, you know, he was very kind and, and he basically spent the most time with me in the studio when they were working on the record creatures of the night at that time. Yeah. And now, I remember there was a song called War Machine, I think, and I played, he asked me to play guitar on the song, just check how I would record, what I would do on the recording. And I remember playing that song thinking, this is a crazy riff, it's really cool, but it's very different. And I never heard a riff like that before. I was trying to figure out what kid it is, you know. Yeah. And then I was playing some other stuff and Jean said to me, hey, Doug, do you ever play major scales? And I said, major scales, which I didn't even know what a major scale was. And he goes, you know, do rei mi fa, so I go, oh, of course I know what that is. It's like Michael Shanker plays that stuff all the time, you know. And I started playing, he goes, yeah, that's great, that's great. So then they invited me to come to play live with them. And Jean wrote down three songs on a napkin or a piece of paper I should say. I learned the songs and I went to the rehearsal and we practiced them. And then they called me back to the second time. And they asked me to learn, well, one of the songs that they wanted me to learn on the first time was Black Diamond because that's kind of what's kind of like their version of that was kind of like their version of stairway to heaven. Yeah. That was like their stairway to heaven. And so we played that. But then when I came back, they wanted me to learn the Fritbrox city. That was really cool. And yeah, I just think that the second audition I started to get really like, wow, this might be happening. And it was very strange for me. Yeah. Is that I also somewhere read the story that you, the Jean Simons gave you a phone number and that you called him. Is that story true? Yes, it's true. He wrote down his number on the very first day. Oh, yeah. And then he, you know, I called him whenever I'm tour and he hung up on me. Yeah. It must have felt weird at the time when you were young and everything and they were like big rock stars. But you know, you know, well, yeah, I felt it was weird by, you know, it's all fun. It's funny now. It's a part of my history. So I don't really, I'm glad it happened like that. Thanks for watching. And if you want more music news, just subscribe to Old MgdrTV and press that little bell to get notifications.