So it may turn out to be the best $300 to ever spend, or maybe not. But I'd been looking all over the place for somebody, a forester, a logger, some kind of come out to our property and maybe do a select cut and for me, on what they would do, ask the right questions, that kind of thing. And I have had a huge struggle trying to find somebody who is, well, I mean, let alone recommended, but even just find somebody online that would answer a call or seem like they're reputable. I just can't find this information out there. So here we are, turn to you folks out there to maybe shed some more light on the subject for me and for others that are in the same boat. Now I'm in the West Michigan area, so this is of course a bit geographically relevant, depending on where you're at and prices and whoever might be able to do it is going to depend on that too. But we had a forester come out. Well, let me back up at the beginning of the story. I had, I wanted some firewood out here. We've been cutting a lot of firewood, but it needs to season still. And the fire we had here is just kind of rotted and not good. So I wanted some season firewood so we could use the fireplaces and fire pit and so on and so forth. I paid a bit extra. This guy's firewood says he had his season to indoors inside and recovered for two years. It's all cherry, really nice stuff. And 300 bucks delivered for a cord. There were some others that were, I feel like 200 to 250, even for other season firewood I paid a bit of a premium to go this guy now. That's going to be a whole other video where hometown acres said that they can get more than that per cord in their area. I think in Pennsylvania, if I'm right, but point being, I just had a good feeling about these guys. So anyway, really professional came over, filled up two truck beds and delivered it to me for 300 bucks. We just got to talking, you know, and they had had their land logged by this forester, by this logger, and recommended them. They said they did a great job. I felt that they were really trustworthy, honest, gave them a good price. And so I contacted them and they came out within a week or two and we started walking the property and you started asking questions and trying to get a feel for how much time I wanted to invest in this process. If I wanted to really maximize the value out of it, if I wanted to kind of just take it all, if I wanted to, you know, do something every so often, you know, every 10 years or so and he seemed like you knew what he was doing. Now to me, the part that's kind of crazy about this business, the logging business, I guess, that I don't really understand. I can't wrap my head around it is the amount of time that this gentleman invested to put together a quote. He came out there the day that he met us and I believe, I don't know if it go look at my text messages, but I'm pretty sure he came out four other days to walk the property, identify the trees, the logs that they would want to take out and put together a quote. And this was all unpaid time and he didn't live next door. He lived, I think about an hour away to make him commute and do that on four different occasions. And so anyway, so after he did all that, he gave his formal quote, I guess, it's just on a piece of paper, notebook paper written with the quantity of trees and the type of tree, no sizes on there and a total lump sum value. And now I can tell you that I believe what do you say, Chris, they take 24 inch minimum, is that, do you remember him saying that? It was a good sized tree. Like there was a lot of them they pointed out, they need more time, basically. So there's going to be a minimum that's got to be worth their while to do it for the process of cutting it down and dragging it out and loading it up and haul it away. And I feel like it was 24 inches. There might have been some variation there, but substantially sized trees, they can't be all crooked and wonky and everything else. All the things that I think, at least on a high level, I understand what goes into a quality piece of lumber. But I've never had property logged. I don't know anybody that really has directly that I can go to and get a recommendation. So I have no idea if I'm being taken or if this is a good deal or I just don't have any clue. And so that's where I need a bit of an education. I can't, I don't know why, why is it so hard to find this information online? I can't find it from other local foresters around here. I can't find it in good YouTube video references or blogs or forums or anything else. And I know there's a lot of variables, right? You know, you're the area you're in, the types of trees, the amateur trees, all sorts of stuff that goes into it, the market and everything else. But I'm really struggling with this and I don't, I'm tempted to say, yeah, let's go ahead and do it and get on the schedule and get it done because it's a nice chuck of cash that I could use, right? Part of me feels like I may regret it though, too, right? You know, like as soon as I get it done, well then, something that's going to pop out of the woodwork where, you know, there's some magical way I could have gotten a lot more money out of this, too. And, you know, Chris and I had a not very serious conversation about, well, what if we did all this ourselves, right? Cut them all down, got a mill, dried them, all that kind of thing. But the amount of time that that would all take, the investment that would all take, the property's not near to me, there's about 40, 45 minutes away, too. So, you know, there's a lot of time invested there, too, when I can't be doing other things. And me also, not being a logger, right? It's not going to be very smooth sailing for me, either. So, anyway, what would you guys do? What do you think about the number? You have any other loggers that are in this area I can talk to you? Where do I go from here? Chris says I haven't actually given you the number. So, what the number is, the total was 33,350. And so, I said, is that number negotiable? I came in at 36,000. Anyways, the point being we settled that 34,750. That's where it's at right now. And you have 229 trees, roughly half of them are oaks, 64 red oaks, 50 black oaks, 34 soft maple, black cherry, 29, 18 poplar, 15 hickories, only five black walnuts, 8 white oaks, four hard maple, two bass wood. So, basically, that comes out to 151 bucks, a tree, which I don't really think that certain trees are worth more and other trees are worth less. So, I get that, but that's just an average, at least. Some other way to view it, besides the total lump sum. But it just doesn't seem like a lot for a tree, you know? There's a lot of other processes and time and equipment and labor and transportation that goes into it and profit and everything else. So, I kind of get it from owning a business and going through manufacturing, right? A different perspective. But I still feel, I don't know, kind of that queasy feeling in my stomach if I go to pull the trigger. So, fill me in. What do I need to know? Sum me some links. Give me some other angles. Maybe other questions to ask before I pull the trigger. Again, maybe this was the best 300 bucks I've ever spent on that quarter fire wood, or maybe it just turns into nothing. At this point, I don't have anything invested into it. Again, for me, thinking of this as a business prospect for a logging company, I can't imagine investing that amount of time with no guaranteed return. I mean, that's so much, that's almost a week. That's four days out of a week, you know? Fourth of a labor, just to do one quote. And that 30, the 4,750 is not all profit. There's a lot of costs that's in there, right? Maybe even if they're making 30% profit. For all that time that's been invested already and all that time that will be invested, that's crazy to me. It's an interesting business. We're proud to be sponsored by RimGarth Solutions, a liquid balust way. It goes right inside your tires, completely hidden, we're big on safety on this channel. These tractors are just too light and tippy right out of the factory. Not only is it going to help with safety, keeping those rear tires planted on the ground, it helps with loader efficiency and traction too. The benefits of RimGarth include being the heaviest, all natural liquid balust weight on the market. It's not going to corrode your rims like the old calcium chloride. 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