Community Translation Project/Office Hours/2009 08 11

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== Transcript ==
[12:59]	:	How is everyone?
[12:59]	:	lol
[12:59]	:	fine thanks. And you?
[12:59]	:	grrrrr
[12:59]	:	I'm good!
[12:59]	:	hi Zai
[13:00]	:	ellow =)
[13:00]	:	hiya Lexi, Zai, Lisa
[13:00]	:	Eric still bubbles :)
[13:00]	:	nice
[13:01]	 	:-)
[13:01]	:	thanks Zai : )
[13:01]	:	welcome =)
[13:01]	:	hmmm, group chat borked or am I muted? :-)
[13:01]	:	With me it worked ok
[13:02]	:	seems ok to me
[13:02]	:	interesting - didn't see my own messages - just lexie's
[13:02]	:	you are set busy, Cobra
[13:02]	:	ahhh
[13:02]	:	but she's the boss - so LOL
[13:02]	:	hi Robby, hi Neovo
[13:02]	:	Hi Radio
[13:02]	:	Hi Everyone ㋡
[13:02]	:	Hi guys
[13:02]	:	Hello all...
[13:02]	:	hi
[13:02]	:	㋡
[13:02]	:	oh, then I do not see my own messages in group chat? that#s new to me LOL
[13:02]	:	hi guys :)
[13:02]	:	2 1/2 years and I learned nothing LOL
[13:02]	:	mmm
[13:03]	:	recently group chats are not working very well
[13:03]	:	very slow
[13:03]	:	recently? ;-)
[13:03]	:	(( when they are working ))
[13:03]	:	Yes, at times I see that too
[13:03]	:	I've seen much more problems in latest month
[13:03]	:	: ((
[13:03]	:	Hopefully will improve soon
[13:03]	:	yes, like vanishing objects :-(((
[13:04]	:	but the goup chat issue seems to be fixed lately
[13:04]	:	all my sales servers gone in one second: 1/2 was gone and other half scripts were "missing from database"
[13:04]	:	I only have a few items and then you can bring up any topics you have on your minds : ))
[13:04]	:	okies
[13:04]	:	Firstly...a big thanks to all of you have helped with the "rushed" translations recently!
[13:05]	:	I try to give you notice but sometimes I don't get them until they are already "needed" fast lol
[13:05]	:	:-)
[13:05]	:	Ain't it always the same? :)
[13:05]	:	lol true mostly!
[13:06]	:	In the next couple of weeks all languages may see a batch of strings for translation. Maybe up to 100 strings. The minute I get them I will put them on CT Project and notify group. Maybe it won;t be too rushed : ))
[13:07]	:	great! work!!!
[13:07]	:	Its also possible I may post a blog for translation. This will be a very optional task. Its related to my next topic.
[13:07]	:	There will be a new blog channel coming for "Volunteers" on the main blog
[13:07]	:	Ok
[13:08]	:	It will be for anyone who volunteers to stay current with official blogs or topics of interest
[13:08]	:	Later this new channel may expand to include Volunteer Forums
[13:08]	:	Hi everyone!
[13:08]	:	Hi Simone ㋡
[13:08]	:	Hallo Simone
[13:08]	:	Hi Simone :)
[13:08]	:	ellow =)
[13:08]	:	Hello Simone
[13:08]	:	Halo Simone
[13:08]	:	hi Simone
[13:08]	:	Good to see you all!
[13:08]	:	: ))
[13:08]	:	This blog translation would be the last blog I did at:...one minute
[13:09]	:	http://vteamblog.com/2009/07/31/the-many-faces-of-volunteering/
[13:09]	:	But I may revise it a little
[13:09]	:	So when its ready if you feel like it...you can translate it and we can link it to the very first post on the new channel : )))
[13:10]	:	And..
[13:10]	:	I also wanted to give you advance notice that I will be doing a blog post on the SL Answers beta
[13:10]	:	This post may be featured on main blog and could cause numerous people to go to the Answers site
[13:11]	 	ducks
[13:11]	:	This would be a great time if you like helping there...to jump in
[13:11]	:	That is a great post, Lexie!
[13:11]	:	I will also give a notice when that happens
[13:11]	:	ty Simone!
[13:11]	:	Wow.. We got some work cutout for us then...
[13:11]	:	: ))
[13:11]	:	yep ...get your bulletproof vest ready and your sports shoes (don't forget teh finger protectors)
[13:11]	:	Well these blogs are of course totally optional. So..if you want to...super!
[13:12]	:	lol Blck
[13:12]	:	Simone did you have any topics today?
[13:12]	 	buys allready a few spare keyboards...
[13:12]	:	Nope. I just wanted to drop by to see who is here :)
[13:12]	:	: )) ok
[13:12]	 	hides
[13:12]	:	I ran right through my little 3 updates
[13:12]	:	LOL
[13:13]	:	So now..you can all bring up any topics..questions..jokes
[13:13]	:	: )
[13:13]	:	Anyone?
[13:13]	 	raises hand
[13:13]	:	: )) go for it Tinka
[13:13]	:	Thank You
[13:13]	 	doesn't know any jokes
[13:13]	:	just a silly question
[13:13]	:	ok : ))
[13:14]	:	since i am a linguist and do most scandinavian and some european languages..
[13:14]	:	i see very often things that needs translation but very rarely scandinavian translations needed
[13:14]	 	flüstert: is it just me missing the right places to see or ?
[13:15]	:	i had quite a few beginners asking for scandinavian information, seeing its available in other languages
[13:15]	:	.
[13:15]	:	Mostly those languages can help in translating on wiki or even blog posts? Currently we do not have CT Project tasks for that
[13:15]	:	ah I see
[13:15]	:	If you decide to put together some help info in your native language and post it to wiki..
[13:16]	:	we can make sure it gets linked to places on there so people can find it!
[13:16]	:	thank You ㋡
[13:16]	:	㋡
[13:16]	:	I got a nice cite to remember when something is urgent: "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (Douglas Adams)
[13:16]	:	hehe nice
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:17]	:	I tried to look up localization jokes, tho there aren't many... please ignore the (PG) for a moment ^^
[13:17]	:	On a visit to the United States, Charles de Gaulle was honoured at a banquet in the White House. Seated beside his wife was an official who spoke no French, but who tried to engage her in conversation by asking 
"Madame de Gaulle, what do you think the most important thing in life is?"
"A penis", she replied.
Overhearing, her husband said gently "I believe, my dear, that in English it is pronounced 'happiness'."
[13:17]	:	lol
[13:17]	:	lol
[13:17]	:	omg... lol
[13:17]	:	^^
[13:17]	:	heheh
[13:17]	:	:-))
[13:17]	:	For the SL answers: I didn't prepare teh promised paper for Zai yet. Object loss and scripts missing from database kept me busy ... I hope anyway to be able to do it this week
[13:17]	:	Sorry you are having troubles Blck : (
[13:17]	:	hehe
[13:17]	:	yuss, ping me when you need me :-)
[13:18]	:	Thanks for helping on Answers though
[13:18]	:	Do you all think the general Volunteer Blog channel will be good?
[13:18]	:	I do ㋡
[13:18]	:	yess
[13:18]	:	yes, Mam
[13:18]	:	yes
[13:18]	 	nods
[13:18]	:	I think it will help more Residents know who is doing what : ) Spread the word and bring in even more to help too
[13:19]	:	I think it is a good thing... It is there to reach out for all Volunteers... About 1700 I guess?
[13:19]	:	All Volunteers...in SL
[13:19]	:	CT..Mentors..other groups
[13:19]	:	Oh, Lexie, I tried to post something on SL Answers as an announcement as it wouldn+t let me...
[13:19]	:	This will be the mian spot for Volunteer posts
[13:19]	:	Oh, That will make it quite a bit more...
[13:19]	:	hmm ok Simone..I will fix that
[13:19]	:	Yes Neovo..I think so
[13:19]	:	Ok. Thanks.
[13:19]	:	my biggest problem with translating blogposts is, that people who do not speak english will never find the translations. I think the main blogs should have something similar like with the languages on top of the pages like in the Wiki.
[13:20]	:	Last blog that was translated we did the links at the top of the post
[13:20]	:	Yes
[13:20]	:	yes a very good idea Lisa: something like flag icons which pop into people's eyes
[13:20]	:	OUGH... (Repairing a hole in my Monitor...)
[13:20]	:	Many german peopel even don't know there are german knowledge base artciles
[13:20]	:	Once it moves off the main page and onto its own channel..then we may need to adjust where those links are. We have a bit of blog odd behavior on that ㋡
[13:20]	:	great idea
[13:21]	:	Neovo: stop poking holes into your monitor ... it does not make your monitor faster!
[13:21]	:	that of the icon flags
[13:21]	:	The blogs should have the same system in general. Those who don't speak english won't even look further in the blogposts.
[13:21]	:	You think some type of icon is better than a word link for langauge?
[13:21]	:	language*
[13:21]	:	i think so, Mam~
[13:21]	:	Hehe... I can't even... I have to pierce a 6H Glass Faceoplate first...
[13:21]	:	yeah, flags, icons, whatever
[13:22]	:	small flags would be easy
[13:22]	:	hmm I like that idea
[13:22]	:	Most residents are unaway unable to read ;-)
[13:22]	:	:-)
[13:22]	:	so icons might help :P
[13:22]	:	ok, making a note of that and will see what we may be able to do : ))
[13:22]	:	lol.... at least a few close the page if they see only english 1st hand
[13:22]	:	Since we are talking about this point ...
[13:23]	:	Lexie, since I'm doing hundreds of things, can you just recap the URLs of pages you are referring to so I can go and have a view?
[13:23]	:	The whole website should be internationalized.
[13:23]	:	Right Robby..they need to see easily that they can read in their native language
[13:23]	:	yep
[13:23]	:	sure Salahzar
[13:24]	:	there are several systems: wiki, knowledge base, SL website etc etc ... every system has a different navigation, different system to use ... even for me as a tech it's hard to find things quickly
[13:24]	:	http://vteamblog.com/2009/07/31/the-many-faces-of-volunteering/ is the blog post I plan to reword a little then offer up for translations
[13:24]	:	Notecrding the URL...
[13:24]	:	https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/answers is where we may see an increase of activity after I do another blog post this week
[13:25]	:	brb
[13:25]	:	and the new channel for Volunteer blog does not exist yet but will this week ㋡
[13:25]	:	ok
[13:25]	:	I know what you mean Blck
[13:25]	:	my name was mentioned in that post, but also please mention Bulli, as she also did an awfull lot of work on translation of the viewer....
[13:25]	:	i agree with Blckcobra.. a more united navigation would make things more streamlined
[13:26]	:	I think we are trying to pull resources together / tie them together more closely and uniformly so it becomes easier
[13:26]	:	So if I understood correctly you are expecting that people will translate the blog content in various language?
[13:26]	:	people=us?
[13:26]	:	Salazhar - a very optional idea if people feel like it once I revise the post, yes
[13:26]	:	XStreet started on using OpenId - maybe a chance to unify logins and pull things closer together ... a common navigation bar or at least a common entry point - simple and plain
[13:26]	:	Someones Mic is open...
[13:27]	:	good point Blck
[13:27]	:	Also..if you see posts you think should be translated and are not..IM me.
[13:27]	:	Neovo: it's the wind howling thru the holes in your monitor :-)
[13:27]	:	If you tell me I can bring it up to the team and see what they think too
[13:28]	:	ok
[13:28]	:	:))
[13:28]	:	Why do you have holes in your monitor?? lol
[13:28]	:	I hope you are kidding rofll
[13:28]	:	he pokes it with his fingers
[13:28]	:	hehe
[13:28]	:	hehehe
[13:28]	:	Beceause the Icons we spoke earlier of did jumped right in the eyes...
[13:29]	:	hehe
[13:29]	:	I could also say: Lexie, you don't wanna know
[13:29]	:	lol
[13:29]	:	but that wouldn#t be PG
[13:29]	:	: ))
[13:29]	:	streamlinging the information provided in the different sources would be a great help, i agree with Blck... you never know was it in the wiki, a blog, the support page...
[13:29]	:	yes..lots of good resources but we need to link them up..it can be confusing
[13:30]	:	what about a "google coop" search or something similar
[13:30]	 	nods ... it's a time consuming job to hop thru all the different "sites" and gather your daily info
[13:30]	:	true
[13:31]	:	I think we are working to improve search and how we organize information. I really think it is going to improve. But as you know...it takes time : ))
[13:31]	:	also can i put a strange question?
[13:31]	:	sure
[13:31]	:	technical?
[13:31]	:	I liked the idea of the new personal account page (beta) ... but it has to go way further witth all the different resources we have
[13:31]	:	why the wiki of linden is sooooo slooow?
[13:32]	:	yeah, very good question Salahzar
[13:32]	:	I found people
[13:32]	:	who even thought it was not working
[13:32]	:	because they didn't get an answer in 20 seconds
[13:33]	:	?? Answer at a Post or Question?
[13:33]	:	SOmetimes it does slow down. I have experienced that as well. Im not techy but Im sure its related to overall system glitches. Usually if I see that I close the browser and relaunch and it is better
[13:33]	:	That cannot be timed.
[13:33]	:	answer to a url submit
[13:33]	:	Ah. Ok.
[13:33]	:	just plain navigation
[13:33]	:	I think the wiki servers are at the edge of their capacity. I had it happen that it just gave me timeouts when requesting a page or "out fo resources"
[13:33]	:	I have also gotten that
[13:34]	:	depepdn ing on time of day, they get slower and slower
[13:34]	:	I have not heard of any specific issues on it lately so must be smaller "bugs/hang ups" that get fixed quickly
[13:34]	:	I will see what I can get for a good techy answer on that for you : ))
[13:34]	:	just tried: 14 seconds for a simple page from the wiki
[13:35]	:	YIPE...
[13:35]	:	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetHTTPHeader
[13:35]	:	it also depends on the page you're trying to access. some incorporate more than 50 templates
[13:35]	:	true
[13:35]	:	2 secs and it was loaded here
[13:35]	:	That page loaded fast for me
[13:35]	:	yup, same old theme: scaling hardware
[13:35]	:	for me, too.
[13:35]	:	mm I'm checking now it seems better
[13:36]	:	when loaded once it is cached server side
[13:36]	:	for soke minutes
[13:36]	:	some
[13:36]	:	it may have to do with caching, we see that page quick now.
[13:36]	:	makes sense
[13:36]	:	Usually the wiki isn't the fastest server in the world indeed
[13:36]	:	can a Speedtest tell you if there is a bandwith problem from your ISP
[13:36]	:	At least media Wiki offer that choice to take load from the CPU
[13:37]	:	If no one has anything else...we can say we are done for this week. That is..until I start bugging you in the CT channel again ㋡
[13:37]	:	Ok
[13:37]	:	okies ㋡
[13:37]	:	ping time to the server is fine
[13:37]	:	seems to be a CPU power issue when many request different pages
[13:37]	:	http://www.speedtest.net is one I use regularl.
[13:38]	:	maybe they just should add some RAM :)
[13:38]	:	Sorry I did not have a whole bunch of topics. I still like to check in with allof you though to see how you are doing and see if you might have questions or anything
[13:38]	:	you mean a C&4 with 64KByte is not sufficient?????
[13:38]	:	C64
[13:38]	:	lol
[13:39]	:	RAM... That reminds me of a Systems Engineer who redefined the meaning of Ramdrive... (In the Dutch way)
[13:39]	:	I think I still have one somewhere and will send it to LL - doubling server power :-)
[13:39]	:	lol... a ZX Spectrum
[13:39]	:	ja ja....laat maar, Neovo :)
[13:39]	:	i've got a ZX, if LL needs one more
[13:39]	:	me too
[13:39]	:	see, now we have 3 more sim hosts :-)
[13:39]	:	lol
[13:40]	:	Thanks for coming everyone. Does anyone want to post the transcript?
[13:40]	:	If not I can do it : ))
[13:40]	:	can do :-)
[13:40]	:	thanks Zai!
[13:40]	:	welcome
[13:40]	:	Thank you, Zai!!
[13:40]	:	^_^
[13:41]	:	See you all soon! Have a great day/night. And by the way...you are all awesome ㋡
[13:41]	:	*Puurrrrs*
[13:41]	:	TY Lexie *s*
[13:41]	:	: ))
[13:41]	:	Thanks Lexie. Cya :)
[13:41]	:	Bye everyone!
[13:41]	:	see you soon!
[13:41]	:	Bye eveyone, have fun and a great day ... and remember the deadlines :-)
[13:41]	:	Bye everyone
[13:41]	:	bye Lexie
[13:41]	:	bye!!
[13:41]	:	Bye Simone and Lexie
[13:41]	:	bye
 
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