Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2012-04-19

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on April 19, 2012
== Agenda ==
=== Updates ===
* There was no main channel release this week.
** Avatar fly height was changed to 5000 on the RC's.
** We used the new method for updating simulator configs
* Second Life Server Channel
* There was nothing to promote this week so we had no release Tuesday morning.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/12#12.03.30.252593
* BlueSteel RC Channel
* This channel has Inventory API changes.
* Improvements were made to the way inventory transactions are handled in order to improve scalability and reliability of inventory transfers.
* Avatar Fly Height Restriction is being raised to 5,000m.
* This is also on the LeTigre channel.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/12#12.04.12.253726
* LeTigre RC Channel
* This is the same code as BlueSteel.
* Avatar Fly Height Restriction is being raised to 5,000m.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/12#12.04.12.253726
* Magnum RC Channel
* This is a maint-server deploy. 
* Features
** New PRIM_SLICE value can be used in llGetLinkPrimitiveParams() and similar functions to set the slice value for prims that support slice values.
** HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH has been added to llHTTPRequest() allowing return body sizes up to 4k for LSO and 16k for Mono scripts
** New LSL llGetRegionAgents() function returns a list of all agent keys on the region
* Bug Fixes
** : Add flag parameter [vector slice] to llSetPrimitiveParams PRIM_TYPE flags PRIM_TYPE_BOX, PRIM_TYPE_CYLINDER, and PRIM_TYPE_PRISM
** : Increase HTTP Response body size from 2048 to 4096 or larger
** : llGetRegionAgents() -- returns list of agent keys in the current region
** : Excessive EnableSimulator message spamming to viewers
** : creation of scripts gets a nice error
* Avatar Fly Height Restriction is being raised to 5,000m.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/12#12.04.13.253827
* Falcon / PathFinding
=== Upcoming Stuff ===
=== Interesting Stuff ===
* Pathfinding Beta Regions Live on AGNI
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Pathfinding_Public_Beta
=== Transcript ===
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Server Beta User Group for April 19, 2012:
* [15:00] SonicAnd Miles: sup oskar
* [15:00] FadeOut Razorfen: oh hai
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: wassup everyone!
* [15:00] Kallista Destiny: Avw Oskar
* [15:00] SonicAnd Miles: orion is scared of your chair
* [15:01] SonicAnd Miles: lol
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: I've gotta get things situated here for a few minutes
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: I'll let you all get settled while we let people arrive
* [15:02] MartinRJ Fayray: hello Oskar
* [15:02] Grid Crash Protection Box: Sovereign Engineer, you are now shielded from the effects of any Grid crashes which might occur!
* [15:03] Grid Crash Protection Box: Sovereign Engineer, you are now shielded from the effects of any Grid crashes which might occur!
* [15:03] Grid Crash Protection Box: Sovereign Engineer, you are now shielded from the effects of any Grid crashes which might occur!
* [15:03] Motor LoonMotor Loon picks up the Crash Protection Box and shakes it violently...
* [15:03] Theresa Tennyson: HI Oskar!
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: ok! there we go
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: I'm in San Francisco this week
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: that means I have a lot of face to face meetings
* [15:04] Theresa Tennyson: I'm sorry...
* [15:05] Theresa Tennyson: Meetings, that is...
* [15:05] FadeOut RazorfenFadeOut Razorfen enjoys living in the middle of frozen wastes
* [15:05] Ima Mechanique: sorry I'm late, did I miss much?
* [15:05] Moundsa Mayo: Hard to blame the connection and drop out when face to face if the meeting gets old.
* [15:05] Homeless: Can always go to the bathroom
* [15:06] Kallista Destiny: an extended trip.
* [15:06] Moundsa Mayo: In another building ...
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: you should find this funny
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: hah
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: I'm actually in a meeting RIGHT NOW
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: and meeting with you here
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: wow
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: heh
* [15:06] Kallista Destiny: Multi-task much
* [15:06] Motor Loon: Wonders of the modern day eh
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: the idea of this kinda cracks me up
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: this is a meeting for learning our new testing automation framework stuff
* [15:07] Rex Cronon: greetings everybody
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: I want to make sure I can learn about it
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: but you are all important to me as well
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: so everyone has to share Oskar today
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:07] Motor Loon: so... what you are saying is... that you RL meeting is pretty damn boring and you now sitting there pretending to be on Morris
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: so how is everyone today?
* [15:07] FadeOut Razorfen: drunk
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: already?
* [15:08] FadeOut Razorfen: yes.
* [15:08] Rex Cronon: still kicking:)
* [15:08] FadeOut Razorfen: thanks for asking c:
* [15:08] SonicAnd Miles: im doin good since maestro fixed my sim lol
* [15:08] Motor Loon: I'm still on coffee... unless this meeting gets boring too...
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: maestro is awesome
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: cool
* [15:08] MartinRJ Fayray: a bit upset because someone deleted about 100 pages from the sl- wiki
* [15:08] SonicAnd Miles: fly broke lol
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: well it is good to see you all today
* [15:09] Rex Cronon: how about u oskar? multitasking?
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: yeah
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: it's all good
* [15:09] MartinRJ Fayray: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-4675?
* [15:09] Flame of Jira: [#WEB-4675] Wiki: Deny all content deletion requests made by Kira Komarov and restore all content https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-4675
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: I have two brains
* [15:09] Motor Loon: women multitask... men pretend to multitask
* [15:09] SonicAnd Miles: isnt he the multitasking pro with 2 brains?
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: here is the agenda: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: this week went fairly smoothly
* [15:10] Chieron Tenk: men use the second task for pretending to multitask..
* [15:10] Fancy Greeter: Maestro Linden has arrived!
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: because of the sanfu's last week we had no RC code ready for promotion to main channel
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: s/sanfu/snafu/
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: so Tuesday was a fairly easy day
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: Welcome Maestro
* [15:10] Kallista Destiny: we *all* read typo
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: maestro are you coming to the vita meeting IRL with me as well?
* [15:10] Rex Cronon: i am cursive in it:)
* [15:10] Maestro Linden: hello everybody
* [15:11] Rex Cronon: hi maestro
* [15:11] Maestro Linden: No, I have to do some other multitasking
* [15:11] SonicAnd Miles: hey Maestro, thanks for earlier :p
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: maestro is a better multitasker than I am
* [15:11] Motor Loon: ha!
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: he's younger
* [15:11] Maestro Linden: sure thing :)
* [15:11] Motor Loon: Maestro KNOW it's a boring meeting
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: actually it isn't a bring meeting
* [15:11] Motor Loon: he'll stay in the bathroom with his laptop
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: boring
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: hah
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: I R TYPOZ
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: so yeah no main channel deploy this week
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: The RC's got used for two purposes this week
* [15:12] Motor Loon: but atleast magnum is interesting!
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: they got updated code
* [15:12] Kallista Destiny: all meetings where there is no bloodshed are boring, for some value of bring.
* [15:12] SonicAnd Miles: magnum is awesome this week!
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: and a test of our new poller mechanism
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: BlueSteel and LeTigre have Inventory API changes
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: Improvements were made to the way inventory transactions are handled in order to improve scalability and reliability of inventory transfers.
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: has anyone seen any inv related issues on BlueSteel or LeTigre?
* [15:13] FadeOut Razorfen: so more then 42 or smth could be transfered ?
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: if you have please let me know
* [15:13] FadeOut Razorfen: i mean items at the same time
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: I know it's only been up for a day or so
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: You all have more eyes and ears than I do
* [15:13] Rex Cronon: improve scalability?
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: so I appreciate your unique abilities
* [15:14] Rex Cronon: new types of inventory items?
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: this weekend keep an eye/ear out for hints of INV issues on BlueSteel or LeTigre
* [15:14] Motor Loon: well, I haven't heard any whining... which in itself is kinda disturbing
* [15:14] Rex Cronon: web editing of inventory?
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: if you find something you think might be an issue verify the repro steps against main channel
* [15:14] TankMaster Finesmith: in my testing, fade, the the viewer can actually send up to 70 items at once, Im not sure why its limiting to 42
* [15:15] Kallista Destiny: Cheeky Douglas Adams reference?
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: if main channel works and BlueSteel and LeTigre are performing incorrectly then we have an issue
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: it is cheeky
* [15:15] FadeOut Razorfen: oskar we don't have any idea about what's being changed... how are we supposed to test it ?
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: but I like cheeky nerd references
* [15:15] Motor Loon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)
* [15:15] Motor Loon: thats why
* [15:15] SonicAnd Miles: XD
* [15:15] TankMaster Finesmith: theres a comment in the code saying its redusing it to add some padding, which is fine, but dropping it by 2/3s seems excessive
* [15:15] FadeOut Razorfen: Improvements were made to the way inventory transactions are handled in order to improve scalability and reliability of inventory transfers.
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: I'm not asking you to 'test it'
* [15:15] Rex Cronon: imo the new flight limit might lead to an increase of unwanted orbits:)
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: I'm asking you to tell me if things are acting wrong
* [15:15] FadeOut Razorfen: oh, k
* [15:15] Theresa Tennyson: Itsn't the inventory change the one that broke RLV a few weeks ago?
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: because you guys can see things I can't
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: it was INV related IIRC Theresa
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: so that's BlueSteel and LeTigre
* [15:16] Draconis Neurocam: someone was mentioning getting a return of LINDENDOLLAR_BADCLOCKSKEW from the transaction_result event, that result is undocumented
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: we will more than likely promote that code next week if it is bug free
* [15:16] Kallista Destiny: No thst was DD and Recieved Inventory
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: that's weird Drac
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: well, 'INV related" for some definitions of INV
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: Magnum has maint-server fixes
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: is Caleb here?
* [15:17] Oskar LindenOskar Linden peers around
* [15:17] Flip Idlemind: So likely 2 weeks minimum for llGetAgentList() on main channel? T_T
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: probably
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: patience young padawan
* [15:18] Motor Loon: yeah, we've waiting for this many years, we can do two more weeks °͜°
* [15:18] Ima Mechanique: any chance PRIM_SLICE can be documented on the portal? ;-)
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: Thanks Motor
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: oh is it not yet?
* [15:18] Ima Mechanique: nope
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: I missed that
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: hmm
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: let me ping someone on that real quick
* [15:19] Ima Mechanique: I haven't checked the llGetRegionAgents constants yet
* [15:19] FadeOut Razorfen: strife onizuka, let me guess
* [15:19] Ima Mechanique: but there are no links on the function's page either
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: if anyone wants to get a blanket page up there now using the last few weeks UG transcripts it would be much appreciated
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: I know Kelly has talked about it a lot recently
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: I pinged Caleb to put it on his radar
* [15:20] Ima Mechanique: I don't even know how to. My Wiki-fu is non-existant :-(
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: it's not that hard
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: it's just a few simple syntaxes
* [15:21] Ima Mechanique: and templates I've been told ;-)
* [15:22] Draconis Neurocam: lots of templates
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: you can view the wiki source easily
* [15:22] Ima Mechanique: I've *tried* to add pages before, failed abominally
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: find an existing page and cut and paste is a good way to get started
* [15:22] Fancy Greeter: Falcon Linden has arrived!
* [15:22] Rex Cronon: do we need special permissions to add/edit pages there?
* [15:22] SonicAnd Miles: the Falcon has arrived
* [15:23] Nalates Urriah: I stop at templates.
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: we've been talking about the changes on Magnum for a few weeks now
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: there aren't any surprises there
* [15:24] Rex Cronon: i think i know what we need: a new button "add new lsl function" that opens a page where u enter the function name, attributes, return values, and all the necessary descriptions:)
* [15:24] Motor Loon: what happens if the script dont have enough free memory for the keys returned, lets say in a sim with 70+ avatars?
* [15:24] FadeOut Razorfen: shc
* [15:24] FadeOut Razorfen: probably lol
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: we have a few bugs fixed on Magnum
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: SCR-15
SVC-680
SVC-5488
SVC-6894
SVC-7307
* [15:25] Flame of Jira: Status 499
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: hah
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: fail
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: SCR-15
* [15:25] Flame of Jira: [#SCR-15] Add flag parameter [vector slice] to llSetPrimitiveParams PRIM_TYPE flags PRIM_TYPE_BOX, PRIM_TYPE_CYLINDER, and PRIM_TYPE_PRISM https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-15
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: one at a time I forgot
* [15:25] SonicAnd Miles: u broke it
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: SVC-680
* [15:25] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-680] Increase HTTP Response body size from 2048 to 4096 or larger https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-680
* [15:25] Motor Loon: too much multitasking
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: SVC-5488
* [15:25] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-5488] llGetRegionAgents() -- returns list of agent keys in the current region https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5488
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: SVC-6894
* [15:25] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-6894] Excessive EnableSimulator message spamming to viewers https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6894
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: SVC-7307
* [15:25] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7307] creation of scripts gets a nice error https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7307
* [15:25] Motor Loon: Flame Of Jira is clearly MALE
* [15:26] Kallista Destiny: lols
* [15:26] SonicAnd Miles: and svc-7842
* [15:26] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7842] BROKE Flight Restriction on RC Magnum https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7842
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: huh?
* [15:26] SonicAnd Miles: Maestro knows of it :)
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: well he said AND
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: like it was fixed on Magnum
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: those were the JIRA's I was describing
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: not the new bugs that might have been found on Magnum
* [15:27] SonicAnd Miles: o.O
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: confused me
* [15:27] SonicAnd Miles: ill shutup now lol
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: :-p
* [15:27] Flip Idlemind: What exactly does "creation of scripts gets a nice error" mean?
* [15:28] Motor Loon: lol
* [15:28] Flip Idlemind: Like, "script creation failed, but have a nice day"?
* [15:28] Kallista Destiny: "We already have one"
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: so yeah
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: those are the code releases
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: THEN
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: we had another step we did
* [15:28] Motor Loon: dadaaa
* [15:29] Rex Cronon: does it say: please call the closest lsl help center. a grid monkey will be with u right away;)
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: we attempted to use our new sim config polling thing
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: which is AWESOME!
* [15:29] Motor Loon: hehe
* [15:29] Motor Loon: Oskar is excited
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: we can tweak sim configs without an entire release thing
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: it's great
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: and will help a lot
* [15:29] Flip Idlemind: You couldn't do that before?
* [15:29] Kallista Destiny: Oh!!!!
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: before it took some work and wouldn't work if a machine was down
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: it had drawbacks
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: this process is slick
* [15:30] Rex Cronon: u mean that now the sim server can read and parse an ini file?
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: so we used it to change the avatar fly height
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: not really Rex
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: now all of the RC's have their avatar fly height set to 5000
* [15:31] Flip Idlemind: Do you send a message to sims that says "check for updates" rather than one that says "this is the update"
* [15:31] Kallista Destiny: You can chane things w/o rebooting the region thhen?
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: except for SonicAnd's region :-)
* [15:31] SonicAnd Miles: hahaha thanks
* [15:31] SonicAnd Miles: :p
* [15:31] Kallista Destiny: lol
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: the sims look for updated changes themself
* [15:32] Fancy Greeter: Gioffredo Linden has arrived!
* [15:32] SonicAnd Miles: we will just never reboot. works for me hahaha :p
* [15:32] FadeOut Razorfen: okay... i've got interesting question. why 256x256x4096 at the first place ?
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: ok guys
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: real quick stand up and find gioffredo on this region
* [15:33] Flip Idlemind: Near the center
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: go fly over real fast and then fly back
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: you'll show up on our meeting screens
* [15:33] Rex Cronon: just send him a tp. will get here faster:)
* [15:33] Flip Idlemind: Found him!
* [15:33] Flip Idlemind: Where'd my treat?
* [15:34] Oskar Linden shouts: haha
* [15:34] Oskar Linden shouts: nice work guys!
* [15:34] Rex Cronon: my old viewer is no match for whatever lip uses:)
* [15:34] FadeOut Razorfen: nope, drops
* [15:34] Motor Loon: ok, thats enough physical excise for one day
* [15:34] Fancy Greeter: Gioffredo Linden has arrived!
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: that was a test of his new testing viewer
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: that was funny
* [15:35] Rex Cronon: do u really want us to go to the center of sim and back?
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: everyone in this meeting was laughing
* [15:35] Motor Loon: too late rex... you missed the fun
* [15:35] Flip Idlemind: Was he actually here the whole time?
* [15:35] Oskar Linden shouts: EVERYONE BACK HERE NOW
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: haha
* [15:35] Lucia Nightfire: what I miss
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: let's leave him alone now :-)
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: that was good fun
* [15:35] SonicAnd Miles: yes! caption
* [15:35] Motor Loon: yeah poor guy must be scared shitless now
* [15:35] Rex Cronon: until i upgrade my viewer i can't jump like that
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: Resident Griefing Test: Pass
* [15:35] SonicAnd Miles: winning
* [15:35] Kallista Destiny: Lols
* [15:36] Motor Loon: haha
* [15:36] Theresa Tennyson: Is there a viewer guy here? We should tie him up and drag him over.
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: everyone was here watching that. bambers, rei, oz, alexa, mercille
* [15:36] Lucia Nightfire: not everyday theres a feeding frenzy on Linden
* [15:36] Flip Idlemind: Ok, so...what was the test?
* [15:36] FadeOut Razorfen: sounds spam pls
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: I'm in a meeting talking about our new automated testing framework
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: pretty sweet
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: so he was using an automated testing viewer
* [15:36] Rex Cronon: oh. so u wanted us to gang up on him and ask for money:)
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: for us to start building test automation frameworks for vwr
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: nope
* [15:36] TankMaster Finesmith: say hi to alexa for me :D
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: leave him alone now
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:37] Motor Loon: wait... he had money?
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: so I think Falcon is here
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: Falcon?
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: Maestro?
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: Pathfinding updates?
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: Hello
* [15:37] Lucia Nightfire: he seemed to disconnect for a minute when I contacted him
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: he logged off in fear
* [15:37] Rex Cronon: hi maestro
* [15:37] Lucia Nightfire: was doing teh long walk so to speak
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: We're planning a pathfinding server update for sometime soon
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: today or tomorrow
* [15:37] Motor Loon: update?
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: nothing too exciting is happening with that.. just bugfixes, I think
* [15:37] Nalates Urriah: ADITI or AGNI?
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: to the RC PF channel on Agni, Motor
* [15:38] Motor LoonMotor Loon nodws
* [15:38] Motor Loon: nods even
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: did you guys watch Agni go up in flames, by the way?
* [15:38] Flip Idlemind: When was this ◯.(⁐)
* [15:38] SonicAnd Miles: yepperz
* [15:38] Rex Cronon: flames? where?
* [15:38] Orion Zenoria: o.0
* [15:38] Fancy Greeter: Gioffredo Linden has arrived!
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: India
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: what are you talking about Maestro?
* [15:39] Maestro Linden: http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/the-launch-of-agni-v-indias-long-range-missile/
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: oh
* [15:39] Motor Loon: lol
* [15:39] SonicAnd Miles: oh, aha
* [15:39] Nalates Urriah: oh... I saw it on tv
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: near my house in Seattle is an ADITI construction company
* [15:39] Rex Cronon: oh they plan to nuke china?
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: makes me laugh every time
* [15:39] Maestro Linden: Aditi's a pretty dangerous place
* [15:40] Motor Loon: so... thats the answer to people who make fun of their accent eh
* [15:40] Rex Cronon: oh. right the name of this from indian mythology
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: what was falcon going to talk about maestro?
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: hindu elder gods
* [15:40] Maestro Linden: Hm, I'm not sure what he was planning
* [15:40] Maestro Linden: lemme try to find him..
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: no one knows what Falcon is planning
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: thanks maestro
* [15:41] Flip Idlemind: So, not that I'm hoping for bugs or anything, but...if the BlueSteel / Le Tigre server is buggy, could the Magnum one possibly get promoted?
* [15:41] Rex Cronon: rabbit hunt?
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: maestro and falcon work about 10ft from each other
* [15:41] Kris Spade: Hehe
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: yes Flip
* [15:41] FadeOut Razorfen: oh, buddys :3
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: that is how the system works
* [15:41] FadeOut Razorfen: nice
* [15:41] SonicAnd Miles: except my sim lol
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: so.... :-) if you REALLY want Magnum to get promoted find nasty bugs in BlueSteel/LeTigre
* [15:41] Maestro Linden: Falcon just wanted to send a reminder about his PUG at 4pm
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: that's how it works
* [15:41] FadeOut Razorfen: PATHBUG-75 still ain't perfect, my last comment on that "So what i should do to make enemy NPC do not fly like 20 meters away when it get hit by an arrow with 200 vel with very low mass and volume ? I've got no other solution then making arrows use llVolumeDetect, which would break a proper projectile behavior... Something about that pls ?"
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: oh right!
* [15:42] Flame of Jira: [#PATHBUG-75] CLONE - Characters are push when hit with small fast moving prim https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/PATHBUG-75
* [15:42] FadeOut Razorfen: oh wait, early about that lol
* [15:42] Kris Spade: If nothing else I am hoping for kittens and rainbows with PATHBUG-69 but that is beyond the scope of this meeting :P__Oskar
* [15:42] Flame of Jira: [#PATHBUG-69] llVolumeDetect(TRUE) is broken https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/PATHBUG-69
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: The Pathfinding User Group on ADITI at 4pm
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: maestro is there a wiki page for that?
* [15:42] FadeOut Razorfen: yea, i missclicked that one
* [15:42] Rex Cronon: why is #PATHBUG-75 a bug? shouldn't bullets affect them?
* [15:43] FadeOut Razorfen: yea, but mass is too low to be affected like that
* [15:43] FadeOut Razorfen: watch the video included
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: spread the word about the Pathfinding Users Group please
* [15:43] Rex Cronon: depends on velocity
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: get the word out to everyone who wants to be there
* [15:43] TankMaster Finesmith: where is the pathfinding UG?
* [15:43] Maestro Linden: Pathtest... 1?
* [15:44] Rex Cronon: on this grid
* [15:44] FadeOut Razorfen: rex sorry u ain't reading what i say, i ain't answering
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: Maestro can you make a wiki page with the PUG details
* [15:44] Maestro Linden: I'm pretty sure it's a pathtest region, but don't know which one
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: so we have something to send to people
* [15:44] Rex Cronon: ok. i will try and watch the video:)
* [15:44] Motor Loon: urh... that volumedetect thing really is a showstopper
* [15:44] Fancy Greeter: Kelly Linden has arrived!
* [15:45] Maestro Linden: we could add something to the existing pathfinding beta wiki page
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: talk about it at the meeting
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: hi kelly
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: everyone say hi to kelly
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: welcome to the meeting
* [15:45] Theresa Tennyson: Hi Kello!
* [15:45] Kris Spade: I agree Motor
* [15:45] Stolen Ruby: Hello, Kelly
* [15:45] SonicAnd Miles: hi kelly :)
* [15:45] Theresa Tennyson: *Kelly!
* [15:45] Rex Cronon: howdy kelly:)
* [15:45] Matu: Hello!
* [15:45] Ima Mechanique: hi
* [15:45] Kelly Linden: o/
* [15:45] Moundsa Mayo: Halloooo, Kelly!
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: how are you this week kelly?
* [15:46] SonicAnd Miles: we just hid motors comment in chat lol
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: what's the word on that group message / magnum issue?
* [15:46] Moundsa Mayo: * [15:29] Falcon Linden: PathTest1 on Aditi, at least at first
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: ok
* [15:46] Kelly Linden: Have a fix verified on aditi for the group notice issue seen on magnum. Current plan is for it to go out next week with Magnum's update
* [15:47] Moundsa Mayo: And thanks for getting the chat logs up so reliably, Oskar!
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: thanks Moundsa. I try.
* [15:47] Rex Cronon: fadout. could it have something to do with the new flight limit?
* [15:47] MartinRJ Fayray: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7845?
* [15:47] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7845] Group notices are not sent to users from 12.04.13.253827 RC https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7845
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: cool
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: so there you go FLIP, Magnum for sure won't get promoted next week
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: sorry!
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: it's the INV changes or nothing
* [15:48] Flip Idlemind: Awwwww, oh well
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: any questions about anything?
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: now is your chance
* [15:49] FadeOut Razorfen: pathbugs
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: except for pathfinding :-)
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: save those for the PUG
* [15:49] Theresa Tennyson: What's happening with threaded region crossings?
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: threaded region crossing is on hold
* [15:49] Kris Spade: That is next? PUG? Where?
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: the developer who owns that code is on vacation
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: and we're not going to touch it without her
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: once she gets back then we can get it updated with the latest code
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: and get tested
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: then re-deployed to RC again
* [15:50] Theresa Tennyson: Kewl.
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: it's still there
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: it's just on hold
* [15:50] FadeOut Razorfen: women programming threaded region crossings... dangerous stuff
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: oh no
* [15:50] Motor Loon: lmao!
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: this girl is SMART
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: super super smart
* [15:51] Motor Loon: she can MULTITASK
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: like wicked crazy smart
* [15:51] FadeOut Razorfen: oh
* [15:51] FadeOut Razorfen: now i get the idea
* [15:51] Moundsa Mayo: Kris, Falcon's PUG on Aditi:PathTest1 immediately following this meeting.
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: she would make your brain hurt
* [15:51] Flip Idlemind: Is it Carmilla? Or whatever her name was
* [15:51] Moundsa Mayo: Polytasking
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: yes
* [15:51] Motor Loon: ...what Oskar means is... she' has big boobs
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: nope
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: I mean that isn't what I mean
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: don't put words in my mouth
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: :-p
* [15:51] Motor Loon: lol
* [15:51] SonicAnd Miles: hahaha
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: Carmilla is pretty amazing
* [15:52] SonicAnd Miles: this meeting is awesome today
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: once her code gets deployed and phase 2 comes back I'll bring her back in here
* [15:52] Orion Zenoria: awesome meeting is awesome
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: look through the logs from last year and read the transcript from the meeting when she was here last
* [15:52] Rex Cronon: boobs or no boobs, does it really matter who wrote code, as long as is on time, is working, and has no bugs:)
* [15:52] Flip Idlemind: I remember when she was at this meeting, she was talking about all kinds of quantum mechanical things and whatnot
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: I don't remember when it wasy
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: august maybe
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: that's one of her hobbies
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: like over breakfast
* [15:53] Kris Spade: There is a PUG meeting on PathTest1 I gather right after this?
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: attempting to prove new quantum functions
* [15:53] Theresa Tennyson: I saw it - is Phase 2 on the radar now?
* [15:53] Homeless: I remember the phrase "atomic crossings"
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: it's on the radar
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: but waiting on phase 1
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: ok so any questions not about carmilla :-p
* [15:54] Motor Loon: <crickets>
* [15:54] Draconis Neurocam: how is the corn dog maker?
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: well ok then
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: oh man
* [15:54] FadeOut Razorfen: lol
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: the corndog maker is epic!
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: we use it like every day
* [15:54] SonicAnd Miles: oh yeah, i was gonna say, now u neeed an ICEE machine
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: making corndogs
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: doing some qa
* [15:55] MartinRJ Fayray: yeah how can we avoid that people do resource vandalism on the Wiki, like this:
* [15:55] MartinRJ Fayray: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-4675?
* [15:55] Flame of Jira: [#WEB-4675] Wiki: Deny all content deletion requests made by Kira Komarov and restore all content https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-4675
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: making more corndogs
* [15:55] Flip Idlemind: By do QA do you mean make sure the corndogs are good
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:55] Moundsa Mayo: Can you use different kinds of sausages?
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: testplan:
* [15:55] Rex Cronon: u guys going to break it soon, if u use it too often:)
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: step 1: eat them
* [15:55] Homeless: I'm getting a "failure to rez object" error here on aditi, it started after I fetched my inventory from Agni... does this happen to anyone else?
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: it might
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: maestro was looking into that issue
* [15:56] Maestro Linden: Yes, there's an issue
* [15:56] Nalates Urriah: Yes...
* [15:56] Maestro Linden: recently agni->aditi imported accuonts are misconfigured
* [15:56] Homeless: ok
* [15:56] Maestro Linden: they're stretched between two inventory dbs
* [15:56] Maestro Linden: and sometimes the wrong db is checked
* [15:56] Nalates Urriah: I can rez some things but nothing recent from AGNI. And I can't save stuff to INV from here.
* [15:56] Flip Idlemind: That happened to my alt. A few of my attachments fail to rez, and my last location is always unvailable
* [15:57] Flip Idlemind: But good that it's a known issue
* [15:57] Maestro Linden: this also causes your inventory to be 'reset' when you relog to aditi
* [15:57] Homeless: Yeah I get last location unavailable also now
* [15:57] Chieron Tenk: a, thats why I get the scenic tour of unavailable last positions on aditii lately
* [15:57] Kris Spade: Can anyone tell me where this PUG meeting is being hosted at 4PM?
* [15:57] MartinRJ Fayray: PathTest1
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: what he said
* [15:57] Kris Spade: Ok thanks ㋡
* [15:57] Nalates Urriah: SVC-7727
* [15:58] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7727] Aditi grid problem. After changing my password to cause my inventory on Aditi to update, my inventory no longer saves changes made to it from session to session. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7727
* [15:58] Kris Spade: I'm gonna head there now. Have a great rest of the night everyone!
* [15:58] Nalates Urriah: A bunch of problems got added to that
* [15:58] SonicAnd Miles: traider
* [15:58] SonicAnd Miles: kris lol
* [15:59] Rex Cronon: only one person there. too early to jump
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: hah
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: ok everyone
* [15:59] Moundsa Mayo: Prolly just Kris B^)
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: thanks for coming to this usergroup
* [15:59] Nalates Urriah: Thx Oskar
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: I appreciate your perspective and involvement
* [15:59] Motor Loon: Good fun as usual °͜°
* [15:59] SonicAnd Miles: thanks for the awesome meeting :)
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: you are awesome and I love you all <3
* [16:00] SonicAnd Miles: c ya next week and i hopefully wont confuse u again :p
* [16:00] Moundsa Mayo: Oskar, Maestro, Kelly, thanks for your time and work!
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: ok group hugs all around
* [16:00] SonicAnd Miles: or maybe i will.... o.O
* [16:00] Moundsa Mayo: awwww
* [16:00] SonicAnd Miles: JK
* [16:00] Grid Crash Protection Box: Sovereign Engineer, you are no longer protected from the vagaries of the Grid - beware!
* [16:00] Rex Cronon: your office hours(group meetings) interesting as always:)
* [16:00] Oskar LindenOskar Linden group hugs you all
* [16:00] Lucia Nightfire: thanks
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: ok I am logging off now
* [16:01] Sigma Avro: tkanks all
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: *waves*
* [16:01] Rex Cronon: tc all those leaving. i am jumpting to the PUG:)
* [16:01] SonicAnd Miles: lol l8r
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: have a good week/weekend!
* [16:01] Stolen Ruby: Goodbye, Oskar!
* [16:01] Rex Cronon: u2
* [16:01] Chieron Tenk: bye oskar