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Minutes/2021-10-15

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Infrastructure
** TM: Issues with the news.groups.proposals submission notifications have been fixed; Jonathan Kamens has arranged for these to be sent to the ngp-mods Google Group.
* Administration
** JE: Should we continue to direct discussions of RFDs to news.groups.proposals (moderated), or should we instead direct them to the unmoderated news.groups?
*** The meeting discussed the matter and decided to keep the existing procedures in place for the time being.
** JE: RFD for 
*** The meeting reviewed the discussion arising from the RFD and unanimously voted to create the group.
*** JE to inform Todd McComb and Russ Allbery and to post an announcement to news.announce.newgroups once they confirm that it's timely to do so
*** TM to update the wiki archive and news page with the RFD documents
* Misc
** TM: Apologies for 22 October meeting
** JE: Apologies for 19 November meeting
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-10-22

Present: RL, JE
Apologies: TM
* JE: Creation of 
** Result of group creation vote posted to news.announce.newgroups and news.groups.proposals.
** Todd McComb required a newsgroup status message from us to accompany the newsgroup line and charter. JE has provided this and group creation will go ahead on Monday.
** JE to create documentation of the group creation process to streamline group creation in future. RL to review and proofread.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-11-05

Present: RL, JE, TM
Note: The meeting on 2021-10-29 was cancelled on short notice due to illness and other commitments on the part of the Board members.
* Administration
** JE - was created on Monday, 25 October at around 20:00GMT. Many news servers (especially commercially operated services like Google Groups) are not picking up the new group automatically.
*** TM to contact Panix to tell them to carry the group.
* Publicity/outreach
** JE - working on a series of online videos on Usenet to be eventually turned into a short course
* Infrastructure
** JE - suggestion for the creation of an official Big-8 YouTube channel. Agreed that JE could create the channel and send encrypted credentials to TM and RL.
* STUMP
** JE - E-mail from Owen Rees of the uk.* hierarchy regarding merging his changes into the official STUMP distribution. Owen will be determining to what extent this is feasible and getting back to us.
* Misc
** JE has cancelled his appointment on 19 November and so will be able to attend that day's meeting after all
** TM gave apologies for the meetings on 26 November and 3 December
** Agreed to cancel the meetings on 24 December and 31 December
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-11-12

Present: RL, JE, TM
* Wiki
** TM has updated the Announcements page with RFD; old announcements archived
* Administration
** TM has written to Panix re their not yet carrying , though JE points out that they may be waiting for the monthly checkgroups message on the 15th
** TM reports that on 2021-10-02 the moderators of announced that they are winding down the group due to inactivity. Paul Schleck suggests that it would be futile to search for volunteers to take over as moderators, given the extensive public discussion about the announcement on Usenet and on the Web.
*** It was agreed to defer consideration of removing the group until the Board's 2021-12-10 meeting.
* (Web)STUMP
** TM reports that following e-mail correspondence, he has added Owen Rees to the Savannah projects for STUMP and WebSTUMP.
** RL reports that Owen Rees has contributed a number of bug fixes and enhancements in separate Git branches. RL has questions about one proposed change (regarding a binary wrapper) but advocates immediately accepting the rest.
** It was agreed that, in the interests of being able to easily compile a change log for the next release notes, RL would create issues in the Savannah bug tracker for each change of Owen's, and then close these issues once the changes were merged into the master branch.
** It was agreed that RL would write to Owen for further details on the binary wrapper change.
** RL reports that Owen has offered to make further contributions and has asked what existing issues should be prioritized.
** It was agreed that RL would suggest that Owen work first on STUMP Issue #60445 and thereafter on anything he'd like.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-11-26

Present: JE, RL
Apologies: TM
== Administration ==
* To be discussed on 2021-12-10: Removal of 
* To be discussed Kathy Morgan suggested deleting comp.software.shareware.*.
== STUMP ==
* JE - Began working on updating STUMP/WebSTUMP documentation. The documentation needs some discussion.
* JE - Working on re-editing the Moderation Handbook written by Kent Landfield with his permission.
* JE - Contact Todd and Russ about a newsgroup for moderation testing.
* RL - Merging fixes for STUMP. C Binary file no longer needed.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-12-10

Present: RL, JE, TM
* Administration
** E-mail from Paul Schleck re removal of 
*** Agreed to defer initiating the removal process for one year for this recently defunct group to give others in the community the opportunity to take over moderation and revitalize the group
** E-mail from Kathy Morgan re removal of comp.software.shareware.*
*** Agreed that TM would review and initiate/continue the removal process for these long-dead groups
** Moderation test group
*** JE proposed creating a moderation test group which could be used for testing moderation software such as STUMP. That is, the group would be moderated with the moderator e-mail address set to a spam-filtered mailing list operated by the Board. People wishing to test their moderation software setup with a peered newsgroup could (temporarily) subscribe to the mailing list and approve or reject posts, though of course they would need access to a news server that accepts posts with Approved: headers. Russ Allbery and Todd M. McComb gave the proposal a favourable reception.
*** Agreed that JE would initiate the group creation process with an RFD.
* STUMP/WebSTUMP
** RL reported on his work to replace C code with Perl scripts (following issues raised by TM) and on merging contributions from Owen Rees
** JE asked about a new (tarball) release. It was agreed that this should wait until the latest round of changes from Owen Rees was complete.
** JE asked about packaging STUMP and WebSTUMP via OBS. TM indicated that due to the lack of per-group access control, and the system's recommendation to use separate user accounts for this purpose, packaging the software in an RPM would be tricky. RL said that Owen Rees has ideas for merging STUMP and WebSTUMP and introducing per-group access control. TM said that if/when this is implemented, we could revisit the issue of packaging via OBS.
** JE noted that the documentation instructs users to rename directories and asked whether this could be avoided. TM indicated that this is probably a deliberate design decision to allow for in-place upgrades that don't overwrite the user's local configuration files. TM agreed to check the issue as part of preparations for the next release.
* Misc
** TM and JE gave apologies for next meeting
** Agreed to cancel the remaining meetings in December
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2022-01-14

Present: RL, JE, TM
* Administration
** Defunct comp.software.shareware.* groups
*** TM has reviewed the procedure to remove newsgroups and will endeavour to prepare the necessary RfDs for the Board's review by the next meeting.
* Moderation test group
** JE has learned through the Usenet discussions he initiated that there is already newsgroup in the de.* hierarchy that does exactly what he had proposed. He will investigate it in further detail and then update our documentation to recommend its use.
* Infrastructure
** SpamCop report
*** JK reported problems arising from an incident in which we apparently reported an e-mail from a moderation relay server to SpamCop. RL had already given a preliminary response to him and shut down our own reporting script on Panix as a precautionary measure. TM thinks the problem was rather that he may have manually reported a spam message forwarded for moderation, not realizing that it was nominally a newsgroup submission. In this case the solution is for TM to either (1) make sure that his SpamCop account whitelists the relaying mail server (and to apologize for the inconvenience), or else (2) use some filter to make messages forwarded by the relaying mail server more conspicuous so they do not get accidentally reported. TM to review his logs to determine whether it was really he who reported the message in question.
* Misc
** JE reported that he is providing new Usenet archives (articles from 2003 to present) to archive.org
* STUMP
** RL reported that Owen has sent more changes concerning nice usability features. RL will try to review them on the weekend. At some point in the near future we can do a 2.6 release.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-01-21

Present: RL, JE, TM
* Publicity
** JE has submitted a lightning talk on Usenet archiving to the openSUSE Conference 2022; possibility of doing another longer session also.
** JE intends to ask the openSUSE Conference organizer for advice on conference organization for our possible future conference
** TM discussed the possibility of getting funding for our conference
* Infrastructure
** Regarding the SpamCop issue discussed last week, TM established that the message in question, a submission to news.announce.newgroups, was indeed automatically reported to SpamCop from our Panix account, probably via STUMP or a procmail script. According to JK's report to us, it was the zaccari.net moderation relay server that was mistakenly blacklisted as a result of the SpamCop report. TM gained access to the Board's SpamCop account and verified that zaccari.net was already whitelisted in the Mailhosts configuration. On the assumption that the zaccari.net configuration had changed since the Mailhosts configuration was initially set up, he had SpamCop send a new tracking message to the news.announce.newgroups submission address in order to update the Mailhosts configuration for zaccari.net (and any other whitelistable relays). TM to respond to JK and the operator of zaccari.net explaining this and asking if they're satisfied that we can re-enable SpamCop auto-reporting.
* (Web)STUMP
** RL has reviewed Owen's latest contributions and is prepared to approve most of them. Pending a discussion with Owen, he may defer approval of a large patchset that effectively unifies STUMP and WebSTUMP.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-01-28

Present: RL, JE, TM
* (Web)STUMP
** TM reported on (Web)STUMP membership requests on Savannah from Roy Engehausen, moderator of misc.legal.moderated. TM to follow up to ask how he is interested in contributing
** RL reported that he has merged in most of Owen Rees's changes, and fixed a few minor bugs himself. One of Owen's major changes, allowing a single WebSTUMP and STUMP instance to manage multiple groups, has been held back for now. It was agreed that the Board would work on updating the documentation such that it reflects the existing state of the code and then work towards a 2.6 release in the near future.
* Administration
** TM reports that his RFD for comp.software.shareware.* is still in preparation; a draft should be available in the next few days.
** JE received an e-mailed request to create a newsgroup and responded by pointing the enquirer to the relevant procedures.
* Publicity
** JE received helpful advice from the openSUSE Conference organizer on the technical aspects of holding an online conference. TM will consider how to obtain funding.
* Infrastructure
** Following an e-mail conversation with Russ Zaccari, Paul Schleck, and Jonathan Kamens, it was decided to leave our SpamCop auto-reporter turned off, as the danger of falsely implicating the moderation relays was too great.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-02-04

Present: RL, JE, TM
* (Web)STUMP
** TM received a response from Roy Engehausen, who says he is running a modified STUMP and is willing to contribute to upstream development. TM has responded requesting further details. It was agreed to wait to hear about any concrete plans before accepting the membership request.
** TM and RL reported that many moderated posts to are not showing up because they contain Injection-Info headers which our STUMP is failing to strip per RFC 5537. RL has manually stripped the offending headers and resubmitted the affected posts, has raised a bug report about this on Savannah, and will be working on implementing a fix.
* Administration
** It was agreed that the draft RFD for comp.software.shareware.* circulated by TM earlier in the week was good to go. TM to post this on Monday.
* Misc
** JE reported that he has been continuing his efforts to produce Usenet archives; he is now in the process of uploading the archives to The Internet Archive
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-02-11

Present: RL, JE, TM
* (Web)STUMP
** TM has received no response yet from Roy Engehausen re membership request on Savannah
** Following a tip from Paul Schleck, TM has updated the Savannah project configuration to allow for bug reports by non-members. Paul Schleck has now filed a number of issues.
** RL has applied the fix for RFC 5537 compliance to the Board's own STUMP instances on Panix. He is holding off on committing the changes to the master repository pending further discussion with Paul about other potentially problematic headers.
* Publicity
** TM reports that our LibrePlanet 2022 submission is still under consideration, and that it may be accepted on short notice.
* Administration
** TM posted the RFD for comp.software.shareware on Monday; so far no discussion. TM to prepare for the voting process by next meeting.
* Misc
** JE has had trouble uploading the Usenet archives to The Internet Archive since, according to their virus scanner, some articles include trojan payloads. TM suggested breaking up the flagged mbox files with GNU csplit, filtering the offending articles through our own mimestrip, and then merging the articles together again with cat.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-03-04

Present: RL, JE
Apologies: TM
* Stump
** JE has some questions about moderation workflow. He will propose a feature request for a future release
* Misc
** JE and RL voted to remove the Google account since we have never used it or had a need for it.
** All other discussions will be tabled until all board members can be available.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-03-11

Present: RL, JE, TM
* Administration
** TM reported that he posted the 2nd RFD to delete comp.software.shareware.* on 28 February. He plans to post the LCC on 14 March, in which case the Board should begin voting on 19 March.
* Publicity
** TM reported that our LibrePlanet 2022 talk "Revitalizing Usenet" has been accepted for presentation on Saturday, 19 March 2022 from 13:35 to 14:20 EDT. The LibrePlanet 2022 program has not yet been updated to mention this.
* Infrastructure
** (Web)STUMP instance for news.groups.proposals
*** TM reported that Jonathan Kamens's (Web)STUMP instance for news.groups.proposals had been down, evidently for quite some time. Messages as old as 18 October 2021 were in the queue. TM had notified JK, who fixed the problem and resubmitted the pending articles, some of which TM subsequently approved. The meeting agreed to implement a daily cronjob to ping JK's WebSTUMP instance and e-mail us if it goes down again.
*** TM reported that submission notifications for the moderator of news.groups.proposals get sent to the ngp-mods Google Group but Google is quarantining all such notifications as possibly spam and only notifying us about them once per week. This is despite the Group's "Message moderation" option set to "No moderation" and its "Spam message handling" option set to "Moderate and notify content moderators". The meeting agreed to ask JK to send notifications directly to the Board's e-mail address and not to ngp-mods.
*** TM reported that when JK's STUMP sends moderators the notifications about pending submissions, it does so by attaching the original article as a message/rfc822 attachment to a multi-part MIME message, which RL's mail server bounces. The meeting agreed that RL would ask JE to change the rlucas alias at big-8.org so that it forwards to another account of his.
* Misc
** TM reported that he had received an offer to volunteer from Bill Horne. TM has written back asking for further details on what sort of volunteer work Bill would like to do.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-04-22

Present: RL, TM, JE
* Infrastructure/wiki
** JE: No update yet on e-mail issues with ngp moderator notices. Will look into by next meeting.
* Administration
** TM: Update on rmgroup control messages for comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce
*** When a group is removed, the ISC is responsible for posting the rmgroup control messages to . These are typically issued on the day of removal, then again one day later, seven days later, and thirty days later. Currently all of these messages are issued in duplicate, once signed with the old key and another time signed with the new key. Both keys will be used for the foreseeable future. Russ Allbery has set things up so that the Board is e-mailed a copy of each control message. As described at How to Use Checkgroups and Control Messages, Administrators of individual news servers are responsible for monitoring the control groups for these control messages and then implementing them. Some admins may instead choose to follow the checkgroups list, which is posted on the 15th of each month. It can therefore be up to a month before a group removal takes effect on all participating servers.
*** Panix and Eternal September have not yet removed the comp.software.shareware.* groups so TM will ask them whether this is by choice, an oversight on their part, or due to some problem with the control messages
** TM: JK has reported that the moderated group is dead. Indeed; KM had already reported to us in August 2020 that she is the moderator for this group and but no longer has access to moderation software. Apparently we forgot to follow up on this at the time.
*** Agreed that JE would post to news.groups looking for a new moderator
** JE: No update yet on draft revisions to Adding Members to the Board. Will try to produce draft by next meeting.
** TM: Should the Board continue to require RFDs to be discussed in the moderated news.groups.proposals rather than the unmoderated news.groups? At least two long-term Usenet users have advised us to go back to news.groups. The meeting saw no reason not to do so but out of an abundance of caution it was agreed that TM would post an RFD to news.groups to gather public feedback on the idea.
** TM: Draft revisions to How to volunteer, including abolition of task forces, not yet done. Will try to do so by next meeting.
* Publicity
** TM: E-mail from PS (2022-04-06) re Usenet discussion/possible interview on "Off the Hook" radio show/podcast. Agreed that RL would listen to the past podcast. Decision on whether to offer ourselves for an interview deferred to next meeting.
** JE: No update yet on possible Register story. JE will contact the journalist in the near future.
** JE reported that he created https://www.reddit.com/r/ClassicUsenet for Reddit base discussions on Usenet with a Usenet home at .
** JE got word that his session at CarolinaCon will be at 1pm EST (UTC-04:00) on Saturday April 30th.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-04-29

Present: RL, TM, JE
* Infrastructure
** ngp e-mail issues
*** JE: Not certain why the forwarder was not working only for ngp e-mails. We could try using a dedicated account for ngp e-mails and tell JK to update his STUMP instance accordingly, or else remove the forwarding from the Board's main e-mail account (which is a real mailbox).
*** The meeting decided to remove the forwarding from the Board's main e-mail account. JE to send RL and TM the login details via encrypted e-mail, and to submit a test post to news.groups.proposals to make sure that everything is working now.
* Administration
** Processing of rmgroup control messages
*** TM has contacted Panix, Aioe.org, and Eternal-September requesting an explanation for why they are still carrying the comp.software.shareware.* groups.
*** JE contacted Omicron, a backbone provider, to ask the same question. They replied that they don't update the group list because they cater only to file sharers. Since many resellers rely on Omicron, JE asked to get in touch with their news admin anyway to talk about syncing their Big-8 groups.
** news.groups.proposals RFD
*** TM hasn't yet posted the RFD to move discussion back to news.groups but will do so soon.
** moderator search
*** JE posted a request for volunteers. Agreed to let the discussion run a few more weeks to attract responses.
** Adding Members to the Board draft
*** JE hasn't yet prepared a draft but will try to do so by next meeting.
** How to volunteer updates
*** TM hasn't yet removed the references to working groups since these are tightly intertwined with the rest of the wiki. Will try to do so by next meeting.
* Publicity
** Off the Hook interview
*** RL has heard the past radio show and has no objections to our participation. TM to write to them indicating our availability for an interview.
** Possible Register article
*** JE has agreed on an informal meeting with the journalist in the next week or two
** CarolinaCon talk
** JE's CarolinaCon talk will take place at 13:00 EST (UTC-04:00) tomorrow (30 April) and will be streamed on the CarolinaConVideos YouTube channel. Audience participation possible via Discord; see CarolinaCon website for connection details.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022