Doc Team/2009-07-29

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[13:14]	 	crashhed brievously, and wonders if it's going around: First, if it's a Torley Build, a name like Cour d' Comforence might float; Second, I couldn't alt cam about that page
[13:14]	:	Kitsune, explain more please?
[13:14]	:	yes Niky, i think there's a Warcraft client to do that.
[13:15]	:	Cooool
[13:15]	:	Hi, Ellla, Marianne and Jeremy, et al
[13:15]	 	has pinged you.
[13:15]	:	Thanks for keeping my seat warm :-D
[13:15]	:	Arawn, it's not my build, it's one of the new prefab land options we're going to make available. zooming works but with different keys i think (Shift to zom in)
[13:15]	:	hey jeremy
[13:15]	 	has pinged you.
[13:15]	:	I've looked at machinima posted on youtube, people just post wierd comments, like nice video/animation
[13:15]	:	or what is this game and stuff
[13:16]	:	yeah Nicholas, it's interesting to see what people who don't yet really know about Second Life have to say about it
[13:16]	:	My husband doesn't really get it.
[13:17]	:	there's the ol' "like the Matrix ,you don't know until you try it..." but then the question becomes "so how do you convince someone who doesn't get it to try it?"
[13:17]	:	SO far I have found it a hard sell... you need like a guided tour/intro or something
[13:17]	:	speaking of youtube, watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjJGDQjRAy4
[13:17]	:	I founda making an account for them and sitting with them works.
[13:17]	:	there's going to be a a better intro in the future, that's planned :)
[13:18]	:	nothing beats the personal touch, Amelia =)
[13:18]	:	Lots of handholding at 1st
[13:18]	 	bright red, wetting his diaper again. He wimpers softly as the diaper leaks, making his legs wet.
[13:18]	:	Yeah.
[13:18]	:	ooh submarines
[13:18]	:	people always remember their first impressions, and the first friends they make upon getting used to a place
[13:18]	:	:O
[13:18]	:	I usually take whoever shopping first, then to my group's garden.
[13:18]	:	xD in clewarwater beach :)
[13:18]	:	And then to get an animation override.
[13:18]	:	clear*
[13:19]	:	and maybe drop them a couple thousand linden to get started.
[13:19]	:	hey Jon
[13:19]	:	hey jon
[13:19]	:	Hiya
[13:19]	:	hewy jon
[13:19]	:	maximum greetings!
[13:19]	:	hello
[13:20]	:	hi jhon
[13:20]	:	it's Jon!
[13:20]	:	jon
[13:20]	:	The Jello is arrived
[13:20]	:	Amelia, what animation overrides are you really fond of?
[13:20]	:	xD
[13:20]	:	*GIGGLES* :)~~~~
[13:20]	:	Oy. I need scuba gear.
[13:20]	:	hi jeremy
[13:20]	 	has pinged you.
[13:20]	:	by now, i'm convinced AO'ing is an art unto itself... expressive avatar body language
[13:20]	:	Let's see, I havea ZHAO by ziggy, but I filled it with stuff from Abranimations.
[13:20]	 	wear a Manometer from HEPS, you can load the tank parameters by typing '/88 tank plug' in the CHAT
[13:20]	:	lol jeremy
[13:20]	 	has pinged you.
[13:20]	:	I've never found an AO I've felt 100% comfortable with
[13:20]	:	your chair is taken jon
[13:20]	:	:p
[13:21]	:	i should get a floating bowl to contain this avatar
[13:21]	:	Hard, too, with my avatar size
[13:21]	:	lol
[13:21]	:	lol
[13:21]	:	great idea jon!
[13:21]	:	for anyone who missed it earlier... http://torley.s3.amazonaws.com/temp/The-Conference-Center.swf (it may or may not work for you in your external web browser, may take awhile to load)
[13:21]	:	=)
[13:21]	:	make sure that only you can sit in it tho!
[13:21]	:	I searched all over for anims in my current AO
[13:21]	:	Jon - rez out a large version of the sculpt plate from the library
[13:21]	:	heheh
[13:21]	:	interesting AV jon
[13:21]	:	Would be *perfect*
[13:22]	:	anyone who i missed, a nice video of a submarine tour on clearwater beach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjJGDQjRAy4
[13:22]	:	Would be interesting to see Jon in a dance anim....
[13:22]	:	lol
[13:22]	:	=)
[13:22]	:	flexiprims and dancing go really, really nicely together
[13:22]	:	dancing jello xD
[13:22]	:	~~~* lmao *~~~
[13:22]	:	i just kind of bounce and pulsate
[13:22]	:	jellow anyone
[13:22]	:	Just had to do a full, clean reinstall of SL the other night. Works so much nicer now and took care of some little nits
[13:23]	:	all it does is wiggles like when you touch it on a bowl
[13:23]	:	im hungry now
[13:23]	:	So, does anyone know a good resource person to go to regarding land abandoment?
[13:23]	:	elaborate more please, Amelia?
[13:23]	:	xstorm you can alwasy eat Jon
[13:23]	:	Well, it's rather sad.
[13:23]	:	HahaAHAHaa!
[13:23]	:	We have a large garden, nearly half a sim
[13:23]	:	I think I've seen you there Marianne.
[13:23]	:	interresting submarines!
[13:23]	:	If you accidentally abandon, I think that calls for a support ticket
[13:24]	:	We have a FAQ in the Knowledge Base about abandoned land: http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=4570
[13:24]	:	But the one of us who has the most tier, had to go to a basic account due to the financial crisis of late.
[13:24]	:	Seen me where?
[13:24]	:	Zen Gardens of Achemon.
[13:24]	:	ty :) the video was made by my friend, i'm driving the sub around the displays, i scratch at the end :)
[13:24]	:	So I guess I'm trying to figure out how we ought to best deal with the situation.
[13:25]	:	One trick, is to deed the land to a group, then abandon the group, so there's nobody to charge
[13:25]	 	- brown: stopping shoulder bag pose
[13:25]	:	I know 2 things, either sell land like mad, or find people for tier, but i have no idea the time frame.
[13:25]	:	I have a question about Linden trees. A friend of mine is convinced they are sculpted prims and I don't know how to explain her how a tree can only take one prims and not be a sculpted
[13:25]	:	Ah, yes! The Zen Gardens were one of my first "hangouts" when I first came to SL. Its a place I still visit from time to time when i need to recenter on what I love about SL
[13:25]	:	Yeah, so my friend had about 2/3 of the tier.
[13:25]	:	So we are trying to save what we can.
[13:26]	:	*sigh*
[13:26]	:	I mean, after running the place for so long, it's like having to amputate an arm or a leg.
[13:26]	:	i wonder if Jon is low fat jellow
[13:26]	:	Really tough.
[13:26]	:	amelia, what do you mean by timeframe?
[13:27]	:	Like, he just went to a basica account yesterday, but I haev no idea how long until bits of land are auctioned or labeled abandoned.
[13:27]	:	I have got to go, I'm under a small timeframe and someone's waiting for me to complete a project
[13:27]	:	that is a good question that i don't know
[13:27]	:	sorry to hit and run
[13:27]	:	Thanks for coming, Kitsune.
[13:27]	:	So I've been trying to find someone who'd know more.
[13:28]	:	Jack would know more
[13:28]	:	Michael at 3PM, Jack tommorrow at 11AM
[13:28]	:	that's a question that should go into the FAQ jeremy linked us to earlier
[13:28]	 	has pinged you.
[13:28]	:	i know you can buy it before it goes on auction block
[13:28]	:	We also have an article titled "How does group-owned land work?" I'm skimming it for the answer now.
[13:28]	:	Laurent: one way of proving Linden trees aren't sculpted is trying to edit them. their parameters can't be changed with a sculpt texture like a sculptie (or any normal prim/object, for that matter).
[13:29]	:	Yes, remarkably similar to an Amputation, or an automotive breakdown
[13:29]	:	Laurent, you could also show her the video i did on "The trouble with Linden trees", that may help =)
[13:29]	:	"sigh"
[13:29]	:	ugh i had a neighbor that did that once but they had banned everyone, then accidentally abandoned it so I had ban lines all around my land.
[13:29]	:	I felt bad for them.
[13:29]	:	We actually have a little abanoned plot in the middle of our place now.
[13:29]	:	We surround it on 3 sides.
[13:30]	:	I've see it and did it in french, but still couldn't explain how they are made :)
[13:30]	:	hey Juko :)
[13:30]	:	Aha! Here's a timeframe: If at any time a group owns more land than they have land contributions for, Linden Lab contacts the founder of the group to let them know they need to either contribute more land allocation or release land within 72 hours, or else risk losing some of their land.
[13:30]	:	It's in the last section of http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=4041
[13:30]	:	amelia i wonder if you can buy that small plot and merge it /w your existing plot
[13:30]	 	waves
[13:31]	:	Well, buying it up isn't an issue, seeing that we might be shrinking
[13:31]	:	Hey Juko
[13:31]	:	stop
[13:31]	:	ao on
[13:31]	:	so many people here lol
[13:31]	:	sup
[13:31]	:	If a group ceases to pay tier, how long until it's land is recycled?
[13:32]	:	Laurent: ah. it does seem a bit tricky because they're not user-editable aside from size. but the simplest way is stating Linden trees are simply a "special kind" of object. doing the edit test will at least show your friend, no, they're not sculpted.
[13:32]	:	lol jon
[13:32]	:	Torleys fault.. he twittered lol
[13:32]	:	ok, thank you
[13:33]	:	lol nice advy torley.
[13:33]	:	These are mine, I thought some might be interested in the abandoned land issue
[13:33]	:	ha ha yeah i actually looked at twitter today.
[13:33]	:	:) Linden trees have long been this odd quagmire.
[13:33]	:	lol
[13:33]	:	swamp trees lol
[13:33]	:	i need to go do something with a friend, nice seeing everyone
[13:33]	:	I recall Linden Grass as its own prim type
[13:33]	:	later
[13:33]	:	Tc Nicholas...
[13:33]	:	have a good one!
[13:33]	:	brb, going to read that
[13:34]	:	What's the KB got on Land Officers?
[13:34]	:	Arawn, do you specifically mean group members who have land-related privileges?
[13:35]	:	Estate Managers; I don't know how to look up who is
[13:35]	:	World menu > Region/Estate > Estate tab
[13:35]	:	and I've seen an article where it seemed that one could make linden trees with a cript with something like llsystemtree(argulents) ?
[13:36]	:	Laurent, do you have the link to that? there once was a bug that let people stuff Linden trees with contents, only to crash
[13:36]	:	hello all, sorry this interupt :)
[13:36]	:	can an estate manager delete prims or only return them
[13:36]	:	I have heard that Brent L has been examining the possiblitites of some "new" old form Linden trees. Mucked around a bit on that myself.
[13:36]	:	I don't see anything on Estate Access
[13:37]	:	Torley : the time to relaunch my browser and I give it to you :)
[13:37]	:	I'm trying to wrap my head around this. Abandoning the group to preserve the land?
[13:38]	:	It's a hack used for griefing the neighbors
[13:38]	:	I wish we could just give it to the Lindens and make it a public park or something.
[13:38]	:	The Region/Estate tools only provide the ability to return a Resident's objects from a Region or Estate. I'm not 100% sure they can't delete objects, but they'd have to go out of their way to do it.
[13:38]	:	i think Brent Linden would make them very pretty
[13:38]	:	amelia, have you approached anyone with this idea?
[13:38]	:	You might get that jiraed
[13:39]	:	yes they have gone way out of the way
[13:39]	:	Not yet
[13:39]	:	and under waht circumstances can they return objects if one is paid up and in prim limits???
[13:39]	:	I don't know who to go to.
[13:39]	:	"Estate Managers list: Any Residents you assign as Estate Managers for you in this list are able to access most of the same Region/Estate tools that you can. They are not able to deed land or access the About Land window, as these are parcel-level controls. They are trusted by Linden Lab for rollback requests, so be certain to chose Residents you trust."
[13:39]	:	Torley : it's LLPlantSytem in fact : https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Custom_Linden_Plants
[13:39]	:	My group sister suggested it.
[13:39]	:	michael or brent would be my suggestion
[13:39]	:	I was thinking, anyone tried creating a tree out of particles? Like, it would be interesting that anyway you look at it, would be facing frontal...
[13:39]	:	I mean, we've owned it for 4-5 years
[13:40]	:	Ok.
[13:40]	:	Using a picture on the particles script.
[13:40]	:	I'll check out their office hours.
[13:40]	:	Laurent, thanks -- i think that was a proposal, not an actual implemented feature.
[13:40]	:	Do you know what brent's hours are?
[13:40]	:	ok
[13:40]	:	nude nob!
[13:41]	:	i'm unsure whether brent has them
[13:41]	:	Ah.... Welcome to SL
[13:41]	:	Jon does not have OH
[13:41]	:	nice wood.
[13:41]	 	notes an effort to learn building
[13:41]	:	How do I sl?
[13:41]	:	for starters you might want to go in your inventory and find some pants.
[13:41]	:	where am i?
[13:42]	:	inventory->library->clothing
[13:42]	:	hello Joshk, you're at the Documentation Team's weekly office hour
[13:42]	:	wheres the inventory
[13:42]	:	lower right corner of the screen.
[13:42]	:	The lower-right hand side of your second life browser
[13:42]	:	This is documentation Office Hours, where the instructions you need are still to be inspired
[13:42]	:	josh control-i
[13:42]	:	ok
[13:43]	:	ahh such rapid help. :)
[13:43]	:	I think you lose points for stomping on Torley though..
[13:43]	:	Er... you might want to right-click your construction column and 'Dettach'... =)
[13:44]	:	lol yeah
[13:44]	:	Pants or Paints? I keep looking for the Talcum
[13:44]	:	You might wanna put on the other shoe too. :P
[13:44]	:	josh right click the wood and detach
[13:44]	:	One shoe off and one shoe on
[13:44]	:	lol
[13:45]	:	YAY
[13:45]	:	good job josh!
[13:45]	:	i'm going to suggest that we help him with the pants next
[13:45]	:	ok he removed the wood. before hurt someone
[13:45]	:	rofl
[13:46]	:	Now you need some pants.
[13:46]	:	grr, no tiny anim lol
[13:46]	:	Hm methinks before the guided tour we discussed earlier, we need an intensive tutorial on SL clothing...
[13:46]	:	i can regenerate, no biggie, haha
[13:46]	:	At least he isn't wearing pants, after removing them for some purpose
[13:46]	:	Torley is Dr Who
[13:46]	:	there's an upcoming website redesign with better starter help, some of you may've got a glimpse of it via the http://secondlife.com/my dashboard testing =)
[13:46]	:	LOL:)
[13:46]	:	he needed some air.
[13:47]	:	i cant find any pants
[13:47]	:	Josh, in Inventory - Library - Clothing there are some cool outfits... you may want try drag a fold over your avatar...
[13:47]	:	hmmm
[13:47]	:	Like Gamer Guy or Musician Guy....
[13:47]	:	as well all dash to our inventoris to find some
[13:47]	:	josh, you can worn this :)
[13:47]	:	any one wish to learn how to file a AR ?
[13:48]	:	uh help
[13:48]	:	:-)
[13:48]	:	go to recent item in your iventory :)
[13:48]	:	i could teach that class..did 10 last week
[13:48]	:	Hi Welcome to scond life if you need help please let us know.
[13:48]	:	yes i do
[13:48]	:	what do you need help with ?
[13:48]	:	joshk, is your inventory window open?
[13:48]	:	i sent you a pair just now.
[13:48]	:	Hey cool there is a default transparent texture in the library now !
[13:48]	:	ya
[13:48]	:	Did I just hear Torley? :-O
[13:49]	:	It's been there for awhile.
[13:49]	:	locate the "Library" folder -- it should be towards the bottom
[13:49]	:	I know I did, Jeremy
[13:49]	 	has pinged you.
[13:49]	:	i think we probably all did.. loll
[13:49]	:	well you can guess how often I check the library LOL
[13:49]	:	oh, there we go
[13:49]	:	i see clothing and landmark
[13:49]	:	thats it
[13:49]	:	okey little better of last times lol
[13:49]	:	There you go...
[13:49]	:	ty Torley
[13:49]	:	lol
[13:49]	:	if you expand the "clothing" folder, you should see a lot of subfolders with many different outfits
[13:50]	:	Even different shapes an stuff
[13:50]	:	Choose one you like and drag over your body...
[13:50]	:	i see about 5 pairs of pants
[13:50]	:	thats all
[13:50]	:	recent items :-)
[13:50]	:	Go to ALL ITEMS in inventory then...
[13:50]	:	oh
[13:51]	:	niky: good catch!
[13:51]	:	yaaA!! josh wearing pants
[13:51]	 	suggests typinhg Full Metal Dragon, at the top of the Inventory window.
[13:51]	:	boy next door shirt?
[13:51]	:	You can wear
[13:51]	:	wonders who has seen what happens if you keep dragging folders from there..
[13:51]	:	Yes
[13:51]	:	yes josh
[13:51]	:	yeah, right click on that then click on wear. you can do that with any clothing items.
[13:51]	:	Whohooo
[13:51]	:	k
[13:51]	:	yayyy
[13:51]	:	Joshk Jinx you may wish not to stand on people
[13:52]	:	especially Torleys
[13:52]	:	lol
[13:52]	:	and Joshk Jinx please use that landmark
[13:52]	:	lol
[13:52]	:	As, specially over the Watermelon guy...
[13:52]	:	lol
[13:52]	:	mmm. that shirt totally clashes with those pants!
[13:52]	:	rofl
[13:52]	:	Best noob ever
[13:52]	:	you can right-click a sofa and join us
[13:52]	:	poor torley he's been step on
[13:52]	:	thank you Joshk Jinx
[13:53]	:	After the watermelon, jello is next
[13:53]	:	~~~* lmao *~~~
[13:53]	:	HahaAHAHaa!
[13:53]	:	free fat jellow
[13:53]	:	Josh you can right-click a sofa and Sit
[13:53]	:	don't crush my robot please! :)
[13:53]	:	They're also Green
[13:53]	:	i'm curious, Joshk, how did you find us here? :)
[13:53]	:	Joshk Jinx the item i gave you if you click on it then you will go some place nice
[13:53]	:	you can sit next to me .
[13:54]	:	i'm the scary clown.
[13:54]	:	Cool
[13:54]	:	great! you're sitting now!
[13:54]	:	i do not know how i got here
[13:54]	 	applauds
[13:54]	:	=)
[13:54]	:	well, welcome to Second Life... thanks everyone who helped :)
[13:54]	:	Welcome to SL...
[13:54]	 	give a part of robot to...
[13:54]	:	i think there's a Help Island somewhere close by; that could've been it
[13:54]	:	thank
[13:54]	:	You got past the tough part JoshK hehe
[13:55]	:	This i really a good place to show up; Lindens are here, getting feed-back on the instruction book.
[13:55]	:	true.
[13:55]	:	once we're gone you might want to go the Shelter.. or one of those other Landmarks people gave you Josh
[13:55]	:	Joshk Jinx that landmark i gave you will take you back to help island
[13:55]	:	Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.
[13:55]	:	I'm hoping to preserve what we can.
[13:55]	:	You're welcome! :-)
[13:55]	:	Best of luck, Amelia. I'm pullin for ya
[13:56]	:	if you take your time Joshk Jinx you will learn what you need to find your way in second life
[13:57]	:	the Knowledge Base should be a good place to go for information on anything you might want to do
[13:57]	:	why are you watermelons
[13:57]	:	=)
[13:57]	 	giggles
[13:57]	:	Anyhow, is the informtion of Sim Acces and Estate Officers closed to the unauthorised?
[13:57]	:	what do you mean, arawn?
[13:57]	:	oh please use the inworld wiki in search
[13:57]	:	Torley, you might want to send the Here landmark
[13:58]	:	you can be anything on here josh. use your imagination, it doesn't have to make sense.
[13:58]	:	i think after the office hour, we all take turns takinga bite @ torley
[13:58]	:	Joshk, yes, there's a fun story behind that... :) i actually don't have a landmark to Here but you can click http://slurl.com/secondlife/Here/128/128/2 to teleport later :)
[13:58]	:	where do you get them
[13:58]	:	perfect for a hot day like today!
[13:58]	:	oh thanks
[13:58]	:	many people express what they love in Second Life. i love watermelons.
[13:59]	:	the inworld wiki is a great start to finding what you need to day so you will know more to help others so please tell every one about the inworld wiki
[13:59]	:	jon are you seedless watermelon
[13:59]	:	Jon might read The Magnificent Wilf, by Gordon R Dickson, which has a Jello that sings
[13:59]	:	u nean torley
[13:59]	:	Later all. :)
[13:59]	:	Thanks again.
[13:59]	:	You're welcome! :-)
[13:59]	:	Bye Bye!!
[13:59]	:	hey why is the fly button greyed out :S
[13:59]	 	is just human, for those of you who prefer cannibalism.
[14:00]	:	i've always taken this to be lime jello
[14:00]	:	How do we advertise for a sponsor, for the Gardens?
[14:00]	:	bye
[14:00]	:	you are sitting
[14:00]	:	Joshk, you can't fly while you're sitting :-)
[14:00]	:	josh 2 ways: you can learn how to design and make clothing and avatars or you can go shopping for clothing and/or avatars.
[14:00]	:	oh
[14:00]	:	Well... I will unfortunatelly have to go... bye bye everyone... Welcome to SL Joshk - have fun!...
[14:00]	:	that's my cue to leave, too, actually -- got a lot to do!
[14:00]	:	Love you all... *muahs*
[14:00]	:	Ya, I gotta get back to the texture mines
[14:00]	:	Joshk should learn about Subfolders, before going to any Freebie Warehouses
[14:00]	:	be well -- feel free to stop by next week
[14:00]	:	one more building in Bay City to finishe
[14:00]	:	child labour Marianne?
[14:01]	:	lol
[14:01]	:	and welcome to Second Life, JoshK
[14:01]	:	Seeeriously!
[14:01]	:	thank you
[14:01]	:	:-)
[14:01]	:	I'm my own worst boss
[14:01]	 	giggles
[14:01]	:	Nobody can work to excess like a child
[14:01]	:	Whoa, someone updated the chatlog parser.
[14:01]	:	could this mean... neater formatting?
[14:01]	:	http://slog.whiz-kids.de/
 
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