Disneygay

"Disneygay" is a pejorative coined by Rivers Cuomo (under the username "ace") on March 4, 2002 in a forum post on the Rivers Correspondence Board. Though the use of "gay" as an insult has broadly fallen into disuse in the years since, the term "disneygay" remains an in-joke among fans.
==History==
On March 4, 2002, RCB user "asschun" posted a thread titled "you need to read this!", which compared the band's recent output unfavorably to the song "Only in Dreams" in particular. Cuomo replied to the thread multiple times to deride the song, calling it "boring", "gay", and "disneygay", among other things, and comparing it unfavorably to recent songs from Maladroit and the Album 5 sessions in progress at the time. He also remarked how his brother was embarrassed by the song. Cuomo also claimed that he stole the bassline from another song and that he only put it on the album because he needed another song ("Only in Dreams" supposedly being the only song left). Cuomo was, most likely, attempting to provoke his fans or, at the very least, later changed his mind about the song. In a 2006 interview with the Harvard Crimson, Cuomo was amused when reminded of the forum post:
Also, in a 2006 fan interview, Cuomo listed the song, alongside Haunt You Every Day, when asked what solos of which he was most proud:
==Excerpt from thread==
The following excerpt from the thread is transcribed from an archived copy of the original thread, which can be read via the following links:
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Note: Cuomo's posts (under the username "ace") are highlighted in yellow.
Author 	Comment
asschunSTILL adminSTILL kill teh gayzPosts: 497(3/4/02 3:57:45 pm) 	you need to read this!
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if you think the new stuff is great listen to OID before any new songi win V ^_^ V-assyEdited by: asschun at: 3/20/02 12:00:29 pm
WeezBritRegistered UserPosts: 1(3/4/02 4:01:54 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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Listen to only in dreams before half of the songs on pinkerton and it has the same effect.
Nathaniel HornblowerRegistered UserPosts: 40(3/4/02 4:02:39 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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its gay to compare new songs to 10 year old classics
this nibletRegistered UserPosts: 74(3/4/02 4:06:13 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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Re: what the fuck there's plenty of great music out there (weezer and otherwise) that isn't nearly as good as OID.but if anyone does that test and thinks the new stuff is better than OID, then they're idiots.
Newt Flossgay, yet useful.Posts: 56(3/4/02 4:25:20 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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OID or POD?
GrimmasRegistered UserPosts: 71(3/4/02 4:27:41 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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hell i can't listen to any song after OID... nothing can follow, it all sounds bad in comparision
Weezer99erRegistered UserPosts: 59(3/4/02 4:31:19 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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Of coarse your going to think its better. Seeing that you have listened to OID 100 billion times and Take Control, what maybe 15? The argument that OID is better stems from your emotional connection to a song you feel is a classic.Apples and Oranges comparrison. The new batch of songs aren't supposed to tap into the same emotional vein. Does sound to you like hes trying to? Take the new music for what it is: Solid rocking music.Note: this is not an argument that the new is better than old or visa/versa. Its all good in its own right.
kyle vh2YES.Posts: 90(3/4/02 4:41:37 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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I don't think anyone has listened to it 100 billion times, silly.
FFeJ and RavenRegistered UserPosts: 32(3/4/02 4:57:20 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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*puts only in dreams on repeat*Not yet.
brokemyrecordRegistered UserPosts: 88(3/4/02 5:06:18 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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only in dreams vs. take controli actually think that listening to take control over 15 times makes it a worse song. I'll listen to OID a billion times and still love it.
artfuseFEMALEPosts: 56(3/4/02 5:10:38 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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This thread is useless.
Queero McGayguy***HERO***Posts: 338(3/4/02 5:16:08 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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This should've ended with asschun's post.
aceRugged.Posts: 40(3/4/02 5:45:10 pm) 	...
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OID is boring.
this nibletRegistered UserPosts: 77(3/4/02 5:48:06 pm) 	Re: ...
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you just like trying to provoke us, don't you
JohnnyNo05Registered UserPosts: 52(3/4/02 5:48:37 pm) 	Re:...
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Ace, do you ever listen to Blue/Pinkerton nowdays?
grossepointekateFEMALEPosts: 72(3/4/02 6:06:03 pm) 	Re: Re:...
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not half as boring as december...
ichigoFEMALEPosts: 43(3/4/02 6:06:25 pm) 	Re: ...
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KILL ACEKILL ACEKILL ACE(my friend burned her copies of pinkerton and green so they're on one cd... it's so depressing to have just finished butterfly and suddenly hear the half-awake "woah-oh-oh"s of don't let go)
aceRugged.Posts: 41(3/4/02 6:11:50 pm) 	Re: ...
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no i don't, and i can't imagine that anyone here actually sits down and listens to that 8 minute piece of shit.
aceRugged.Posts: 42(3/4/02 6:13:10 pm) 	Re: ...
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december kills oid as does slob and d+d. wake up people.
Queero McGayguy***HERO***Posts: 340(3/4/02 6:13:51 pm) 	Re: ...
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*gasp!*BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN.
aceRugged.Posts: 43(3/4/02 6:15:08 pm) 	Re: ...
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is anyone here man enough to admit that oid is boring?
Brody783Registered UserPosts: 38(3/4/02 6:15:49 pm) 	Re: ...
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by what standards though?
aceRugged.Posts: 44(3/4/02 6:16:40 pm) 	Re: ...
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that the vocals are contrived?
Queero McGayguy***HERO***Posts: 341(3/4/02 6:17:32 pm) 	Re: ...
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Yeah, and December is non-stop excitement.BAM.
Rock1984Registered UserPosts: 50(3/4/02 6:17:47 pm) 	Re: ...
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Give it up, Ace! Nobody agrees with you. Only In Dreams is just too good.
aceRugged.Posts: 45(3/4/02 6:18:13 pm) 	Re: ...
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that the lyrics are GAY as hell?
(my brother almost disowned me when he first heard the chorus)
DaFlavahRegistered UserPosts: 74(3/4/02 6:18:35 pm) 	Re: ...
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i dont understand... if you dont like them, why owuld you play them still?
this nibletRegistered UserPosts: 78(3/4/02 6:18:55 pm) 	Re: ...
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everyone here is too honest to make that blasphemous lie.and you shouldn't talk about contrived vocals if you want us to give new songs a chance
Queero McGayguy***HERO***Posts: 342(3/4/02 6:19:29 pm) 	Re: ...
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YOU WROTE THE GREEN ALBUM LAST YEAR.
aceRugged.Posts: 46(3/4/02 6:19:34 pm) 	Re: ...
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that the bass line is an exact ripoff of "have you seen her"?
aceRugged.Posts: 47(3/4/02 6:21:36 pm) 	Re: ...
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none of you agrees with me. play it for any sane person and they'd fall asleep before they had a chance to give you their verdict.worst song on a bad album.
mrtpitiesfoolsMy penis grew 5 feet sinceI left Jane's board.Posts: 103(3/4/02 6:21:38 pm)	Re: ...
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OID is like a faux epic, the huge buildup, the cheesy lyrics, but it all blends together to make it a great song.
ichigoFEMALEPosts: 44(3/4/02 6:21:54 pm) 	Re: ...
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(This message was left blank)Edited by: ichigo at: 3/4/02 6:25:38 pm
DaFlavahRegistered UserPosts: 75(3/4/02 6:23:00 pm) 	Re: ...
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the hrmonies are good, it has crescendo and great melodies... why would it be shit?
ridd1- - - - - -Posts: 303(3/4/02 6:23:14 pm) 	Re: ...
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ichigo ichiBAN
Brody783Registered UserPosts: 39(3/4/02 6:23:14 pm) 	Re: ...
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true, but isn't smells like teen spirit a rip off of the pixies' umass?
paperfacepilgrmRegistered UserPosts: 52(3/4/02 6:23:26 pm) 	Re: ...
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i think its your best song ever. its just the orgasmic solo. i swear to god if you stop playing it live, i'll go crazy
aceRugged.Posts: 48(3/4/02 6:23:46 pm) 	Re: ...
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explain to me why "cheesy" lyrics are good here but bad in d+d. i'm afraid you're not making any sense.
this nibletRegistered UserPosts: 79(3/4/02 6:23:48 pm) 	Re: ...
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FRED DURST HAS BRAINWASHED ACE!!!!
matt1801Registered UserPosts: 6(3/4/02 6:24:11 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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It works in the context of the song. Same thing with the lyrics. Nothing weezer has done is very original...you're famous because you write consistently good pop songs. I can see where you think it's rather messy though....do you think you could record OID the same way you did in 93, today?
Queero McGayguy***HERO***Posts: 343(3/4/02 6:24:58 pm) 	Re: ...
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Ace, you're gonna make the kids cry.ME.The last 3 minutes of OID automatically make it better than anything on Maladroit.
mrtpitiesfoolsMy penis grew 5 feet sinceI left Jane's board.Posts: 104(3/4/02 6:25:35 pm)	Re: ...
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If you speed up OID, the bassline sounds like a doe-see-doe song.
aceRugged.Posts: 49(3/4/02 6:25:45 pm) 	Re: ...
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only in dreamswe see what it meansreach out our handshold onto hersGAY!GAY!GAY!DISNEYGAY!admit it.
ridd1- - - - - -Posts: 304(3/4/02 6:25:53 pm) 	Re: ...
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fuck, let the man have his own opinion of his own song. Who cares if you don't agree.Edited by: ridd1 at: 3/4/02 6:29:02 pm
Real FrogsPimpin' ain't easy.Posts: 27(3/4/02 6:26:54 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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Argue what you will, ace, about Only In Dreams.. but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people truly love that song, people that care about music.. that song just MOVES a lot of people, and you can't deny that. Whether or not it conforms to some abstract formula or anything.. it doesn't change the fact of what it means to some people. Do you understand this? I'd kill to have people feel that way about one of my songs.I seriously doubt ANYONE feels the same way about anything you've put out recently.
FabFiveFreddyRegistered UserPosts: 1(3/4/02 6:27:28 pm) 	what the fuck
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Ace,If by boring you mean epicly amazing then yes, I am man enough to agree with you.
aceRugged.Posts: 50(3/4/02 6:28:50 pm) 	Re: ...
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you walk up to herask her to danceshe says "hey babyi just might take the chance"gay. if only you guys gave newer songs half the gay allowance you gave the old ones you'd love them.i can't tell you the courage it takes to sing these lines every night.
mrtpitiesfoolsMy penis grew 5 feet sinceI left Jane's board.Posts: 105(3/4/02 6:28:55 pm)	Re: ...
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Cheesy lyrics are ok here since the song doesnt follow the structure that the recent songs all have, Intro,Verse, verse, chorus, solo, half chorus, outro.
Queero McGayguy***HERO***Posts: 344(3/4/02 6:29:16 pm) 	Re: ...
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Are you trying to say you have a problem with gay lyrics all of the sudden?
Brody783Registered UserPosts: 40(3/4/02 6:30:06 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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what are some of your favorite lyrics you've written then, ace?
ichigoFEMALEPosts: 45(3/4/02 6:31:56 pm) 	Re: ...
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.Edited by: ichigo at: 3/4/02 6:39:34 pm
mrtpitiesfoolsMy penis grew 5 feet sinceI left Jane's board.Posts: 106(3/4/02 6:32:00 pm)	Re: ...
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Would you rather sing "you walk up to him, ask him to dance?"GAYYYYYY
asschunSTILL adminSTILL kill teh gayzPosts: 498(3/4/02 6:32:30 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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the way you SANG the lyrics is the opposite of everything you have done recently (recent=gay)dynamicsthe melody(though the chorus is ??)
aceRugged.Posts: 51(3/4/02 6:32:40 pm) 	Re: ...
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most people don't love it.i've surrounded myself with the few that do.do us both a favor and GO AWAY.
the citizen of wenRegistered UserPosts: 40(3/4/02 6:34:29 pm) 	Re: ...
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>you walk up to her>ask her to dance>she says "hey baby>i just might take the chance"we put up with that shit because it's immediately followed byyou say it's a good thingthat you float in the airthat way there's no chance i willcrush your pretty toenails into a thousand pieces,
and because of the whole "she's in the air" segment.if you intersperse gold like that with the gay gay gay stuff, we will love it.
Bree Van BriRegistered UserPosts: 10(3/4/02 6:34:44 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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"Crab at the booty, t'ain't gonna do no good..."
Real FrogsPimpin' ain't easy.Posts: 28(3/4/02 6:35:35 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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When you wrote those lyrics, did you mean them or were you just going "eh.. this song needs lyrics.. I'll just write whatever.."I related to the lyrics.. they meant something to me at least.. no matter how basic.
jimbonerRegistered UserPosts: 40(3/4/02 6:35:57 pm) 	Re: ...
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Holy shite, rugged indeed.
Rock1984Registered UserPosts: 52(3/4/02 6:36:55 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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I go to bed now. When I wake up tomorrow I hope to find out that everything Ace said about Only In Dreams was just a bad dream.
asschunSTILL adminSTILL kill teh gayzPosts: 499(3/4/02 6:37:10 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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ace, pms?
artfuseFEMALEPosts: 58(3/4/02 6:38:34 pm) 	Re: what the fuck Ace:Unlike a lot of people here, I happen to like Maladroit. AND I like OID. Maybe the lyrics of OID are peppered with standard cheese, but I don't care. I'm sure you don't like the music behind the words on OID either, but to me it's fucking incredible.
canafraidianRegistered UserPosts: 3(3/4/02 6:39:37 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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I've fallen asleep during OID, but in my opinion, that isn't a bad thing. In this case I mean.
aceRugged.Posts: 52(3/4/02 6:40:36 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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just having fun.the way i sang was contrived, with fake emotion. believe it. everything about that recording was fake. we all hated it when we were done with it (the blue album, i mean).
fallingforshleeeRegistered UserPosts: 8(3/4/02 6:40:37 pm) 	Re: ...
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I know I'll get flamed for saying this, but OID lyrics kind of bother me. I think it's because of the "crush your pretty toenails" part.
sonicicefusionRegistered UserPosts: 12(3/4/02 6:41:21 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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speaking of OID, the albany boot of it is up at sandwiches time.
dageekloveRegistered UserPosts: 39(3/4/02 6:41:25 pm) 	Re: ...
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OID's lyrics work because of the music behind them. But they are kinda middle-school cheesy. I think D&D's lyrics work for the same reason. I can't say OID is a bad song, but I will say that the build up is a little too long and unnecessary.
Wilson
asschunSTILL adminSTILL kill teh gayzPosts: 500(3/4/02 6:41:51 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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forget the actual words, i would rather have that music with n sync lyrics than maladroit^_^-assy
aceRugged.Posts: 53(3/4/02 6:42:45 pm) 	Re: ...
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thank you. now just because you admit that oid is boring and cheesy does not make you a suck up.
ridd1- - - - - -Posts: 305(3/4/02 6:42:53 pm) 	Re: ...
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ichigone
Dr Yum YumsRegistered UserPosts: 14(3/4/02 6:42:54 pm) 	Re: ...
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ace,a lot of my friends arent huge weezer fans, and would probably know you best only from the buddy holly video, but most of them agree only in dreams is the best song on blue....when did you first start thinking this song was "GAY"?
this nibletRegistered UserPosts: 80(3/4/02 6:43:10 pm) 	Re: ...
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if the emotion is fake.... then you used to be a much much better actor
aceRugged.Posts: 54(3/4/02 6:44:36 pm) 	Re: ...
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i always thought it was gay. i didn't want it on the record but i couldn't come up with any other songs.
Real FrogsPimpin' ain't easy.Posts: 29(3/4/02 6:45:35 pm) 	Re: what the fuck
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what vocal performance of yours has real emotion?
artfuseFEMALEPosts: 59(3/4/02 6:46:09 pm) 	Re: ...
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Ace:Sorry to burst your bubble, bro, but I'd be surprised if anyone on this thread was sucking up to you right now.
artfuseFEMALEPosts: 59(3/4/02 6:46:09 pm) 	Re: ...
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Ace:Sorry to burst your bubble, bro, but I'd be surprised if anyone on this thread was sucking up to you right now.
rafI weep for the old days.And I'm fucking gay.Posts: 16(3/4/02 6:46:54 pm) 	Re: ...
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the man is not an actor anymore, yo.
the citizen of wenRegistered UserPosts: 41(3/4/02 6:47:06 pm) 	Re: ... 
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why is fake emotion bad?isn't there something nessecarily fake about any performance?even performances that get recorded and put on records?
jimbonerRegistered UserPosts: 41(3/4/02 6:48:17 pm) 	Re: ...
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OID is an excellent song without a doubt, but I can see where he's coming from on this. This does not mean I totally agree with ace, but the build-up is a little long. That said, the chorus is some of the most amazing music ever recorded. Let's agree to disagree, folks.
aceRugged.Posts: 55(3/4/02 6:48:40 pm) 	Re: ...
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i used to try to sound "emotional". i don't act at all now.
dageekloveRegistered UserPosts: 40(3/4/02 6:49:38 pm) 	Re: ...
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I don't think Rivers is even trying to act for the vocals on Maladroit, and that's why everyone doesn't like them. He's just singing them with good technique and energy without having to act to get across an emotion.Wilson
asschunSTILL adminSTILL kill teh gayzPosts: 503(3/4/02 6:49:50 pm) 	Re: ...
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yes dr yum yums...any casual weezer fan (no one here is casual) i have talked to will mention either 1) blue and "in dreams" or 2) green and "hash pipe"i dont care if it was fake, your voice was excellent and the music was even better
mrtpitiesfoolsMy penis grew 5 feet sinceI left Jane's board.Posts: 107(3/4/02 6:50:43 pm)	Re: ...
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Ace, stop posting and start releasing some mp3s of songs we havent heard yet.
MerkinMuffleyRegistered UserPosts: 40(3/4/02 6:52:57 pm) 	Re: ...
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as for oid's cheesiness. . . given your position on "fakeness"i am not sure how it's possible to write an authentically sentimental song short of the type of "over-emotion," super-realistic stuff on Pinkerton.OID's cheesiness works because of the specificity of the lyrics....the series of cliches with that "but when we wake it's all been erased" twist. I like D&D, but i think it's less powerful because it lacks that lyrical specificity (and a 4 minute instrumental that alienates/bores the average listeners).
aceRugged.Posts: 56(3/4/02 6:52:58 pm) 	Re: ...
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i don't care if you perceive it to be "excellent", it's not.
artfuseFEMALEPosts: 60(3/4/02 6:53:00 pm) 	Re: ...
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So why do you still perform Blue songs on tour? Just curious...
ChadUWMRegistered UserPosts: 1(3/4/02 6:54:36 pm) 	Re: ...
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I noticed a definite attempt to make the vocals better towards the end of the recording process. A few of the songs have some feeling, but I would agree the first two albums are better lyrically and vocally.I think Only In Dreams is good but it isn't one of my favorites on the blue album. Jonas, No One Else, Say It Ain't So... I don't believe you actually think that was a bad album.I also hate December with a passion. I will agree that Slob kills OID... I don't know why but I love that song and I always have.-ChadEdited by: ChadUWM at: 3/4/02 6:57:03 pm
Real FrogsPimpin' ain't easy.Posts: 30(3/4/02 6:55:43 pm) 	Re: ...
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I'm asking if you appreciate the fact that people feel so strongly about something that you created, whether or not you like it.Edited by: Real Frogs at: 3/4/02 6:57:57 pm
UserNameRegistered UserPosts: 67(3/4/02 6:56:22 pm) 	Re: ...
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You should just pull a @#%$ floyd and just play the entire green album and shit, that would be fuckin boss.
aceRugged.Posts: 57(3/4/02 6:56:50 pm) 	Re: ...
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would you guys mind if i dropped the blue songs from the live set?
==See also==
*Rivers Correspondence Board
*Maladroit
*Rivers Cuomo
*"Only in Dreams"
==External links==
*RCB thread archive
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