Community Tools User Group/5-May-2011

==Attendees List==
*Adamburp Adamczyk (adamburp.adamczyk)
*Amanda Linden (amanda.linden)
*Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler)
*bee Baroque (bee.baroque)
*bob Iwashi (bob.iwashi)
*Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder)
*Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)
*Daniel Voyager (daniel.voyager)
*DogWomble Dollinger (dogwomble.dollinger)
*draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)
*Dresden Ceriano (dresden.ceriano)
*Eddi Decosta (eddi.decosta)
*Gentle Heron (gentle.heron)
*Jeremy Linden (jeremy.linden)
*Kennylex Luckless (kennylex.luckless)
*Lexie (lexie.linden)
*Lisa Fossett (lisa.fossett)
*Marianne McCann (marianne.mccann)
*Lionne Queen (naida.ergaron)
*Orange Planer (orange.planer)
*Peewee Musytari (peewee.musytari)
*Qie (qie.niangao)
*Rand (rand.linden)
*teddy Zepp (teddy.zepp)
*Torben (torben.trautman)
*Venus Petrov (venus.petrov)
*Void Singer (void.singer)
*COCOON (wildcat.furse)
*Zoya Writer (zoya.writer)
==Transcript for Thursday May 5, 2011==
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden 	Orange! Long time no see.
[13:01]	Amanda Linden 	/me waves hello to everyone
[13:01]	DogWomble Dollinger 	hey rand
[13:01]	Marianne McCann 	Hey Jeremy!
[13:01]	DogWomble Dollinger 	hey jeremy
[13:01]	bee Baroque 	/me is being trampled on. ouch.
[13:01]	Marianne McCann 	Rand...
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden 	/me waves to all.
[13:01]	Peewee Musytari 	its an object called seizure god
[13:01]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Howdy!
[13:01]	Orange Planer 	Hey Jeremy. Nice to see you again.
[13:01]	Void Singer 	still seeing it peewee?
[13:01]	Venus Petrov 	Baby, you're stomping bee's neck
[13:02]	Peewee Musytari 	yeah I have it selected
[13:02]	bob Iwashi 	hola jeremy
[13:02]	bee Baroque 	/me bites baby in the ankle
[13:02]	bee Baroque 	*snicker* (please move)
[13:02]	Void Singer 	drop draw to 128 then wait a minute
[13:02]	Peewee Musytari 	owned by killerultimate resident
[13:02]	Void Singer 	0day griefer account...
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari 	seizure god is a good name cos its gonna give me one lol
[13:03]	Jeremy Linden 	Do you guys see a griefer object right now?
[13:03]	Amanda Linden 	welcoem everyone.
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari 	yesss
[13:03]	Venus Petrov 	some do
[13:03]	Amanda Linden 	lemme grab the agenda
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari 	please stop it
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari 	lol
[13:03]	bee Baroque 	what dd do you have peewee?
[13:03]	Jeremy Linden 	What direction, Peewee?
[13:03]	Void Singer 	Jeremey yeah it's on one of the adjoining regions
[13:03]	Eddi Decosta 	hug Amanda ;)
[13:03]	Eddi Decosta 	hi all :)
[13:03]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	/me keeps draw distance at 64, to minimize Lag
[13:03]	Jeremy Linden 	/me goes on a quest.
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari 	Hoooo!
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari 	Hoooo!
[13:03]	Amanda Linden 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari 	who did that?
[13:03]	Eddi Decosta 	hugs Lexie to :p
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari 	tytytytyty
[13:03]	Venus Petrov 	hiya Dres
[13:03]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	: )
[13:03]	Dresden Ceriano 	hey =)
[13:03]	Lionne Queen (naida.ergaron) 	HI all
[13:04]	Void Singer 	Jeremy, no way of telling.... it's about 20 regions big =(
[13:04]	Amanda Linden 	heyt there...so, full agenda today.
[13:04]	Eddi Decosta 	Jeremy can you trun the chair of Naida pls? :p
[13:04]	Amanda Linden 	ready to get going?
[13:04]	Peewee Musytari 	is kewl having lindens here lol
[13:04]	Peewee Musytari 	they fix stuff
[13:04]	Orange Planer 	Ready as I'll ever be.
[13:04]	Marianne McCann 	An sure!
[13:04]	Amanda Linden 	ossm.
[13:04]	Marianne McCann 	Ya. It's just "here"
[13:04]	Amanda Linden 	ok, lexie, want to give updates on some of hte blog/forum/sl answers updates
[13:04]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Sure
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	We did get some of the changes done that we have been mentioning
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	New smilies have been added but yes, they are floating above the text again. We will get that fixed. ㋡
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Have you all seen the new smilies?
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	I like them
[13:05]	Venus Petrov 	yup
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	㋡
[13:05]	bee Baroque 	they're awesome \o/
[13:05]	Marianne McCann 	/me nods
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Also the reply button is now on the bottom of pages. It may have a bug that causes the reply to go to a post other than the original post. It seems inconsistent. We are investigating that too.
[13:05]	Amanda Linden 	hey drummer man... :)
[13:06]	Peewee Musytari 	its weird how they aren`t floating in comments
[13:06]	Venus Petrov 	what's that noise?
[13:06]	Amanda Linden 	can you turn off your drums?
[13:06]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	/me hasn't seen smilies: Wherre are they supposed to be? Also, have we a link to the agenda?
[13:06]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	sorry, 1 sec
[13:06]	Amanda Linden 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[13:06]	Venus Petrov 	mutes sounds
[13:06]	Amanda Linden 	ah, thank you
[13:06]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:06]	Marianne McCann 	THat's... special
[13:06]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	okay, music stopped, venus finally muted osi don;t have to siten to her nomore
[13:06]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	listen*
[13:06]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Smilies can be inserted Arawn form the posting form.
[13:07]	Orange Planer 	No, I have not seen the smiles. And since I'm coming into the conversation late, I have no idea what smiles you mean. :-/
[13:07]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Also..
[13:07]	Daniel Voyager 	hey everyone :)
[13:07]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Some of the fonts, such as in the forum descriptions, have been darkened a bit to make them easier to read.
[13:07]	bee Baroque 	hi daniel \o
[13:07]	Peewee Musytari 	kewl
[13:07]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	/me should combine a cobblestone sound, and a clap animation, into a couple of coconuts.
[13:07]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Answers:...
[13:07]	Peewee Musytari 	hmm
[13:07]	Peewee Musytari 	lol
[13:07]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	All comments are expanded now. But, ideally we will simply remove the comment portion so the flow is more like forums. We are working on that now.
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	You should see that change very soon
[13:08]	Peewee Musytari 	if there are bugs with the way it is now, should we ignore them if its changing?
[13:08]	bee Baroque 	oh that's great, i never liked the comments too much :D
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Peewee, yes lets wait until the layout is changed with comments, then see where we are
[13:08]	Peewee Musytari 	kk
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	That's it for now. More soon!
[13:08]	Amanda Linden 	great stuff lexie!
[13:08]	Amanda Linden 	thank you.
[13:09]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	sure
[13:09]	Amanda Linden 	lots of progress!
[13:09]	Peewee Musytari 	also I noticed something about the missing posts when threads get moved to answers if ur still investigating that
[13:09]	Amanda Linden 	lexie, you want to speak to that one?
[13:09]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	That will resolve with the format change Peewee
[13:09]	Peewee Musytari 	it seems to be the posts that the OP added cos they can only post once on answers
[13:09]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	right
[13:09]	Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder) 	is there a fix on the way for posting in IE9?
[13:09]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	That will be better pretty quick
[13:09]	Peewee Musytari 	kk
[13:10]	Orange Planer 	Did you try compatibility mode, Krapt?
[13:10]	Orange Planer 	There's th ecompatibility button in IE9.
[13:10]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	No news yet on the IE9 other than to use compatibility mode for now
[13:10]	Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder) 	not sure where to find that
[13:10]	Orange Planer 	It's on the URL bar.
[13:10]	Orange Planer 	Where yo utype in an address.
[13:10]	Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder) 	tools?
[13:10]	Peewee Musytari 	I have a question about answers too please lexie......do OPs get some sort of letter sent to them now?
[13:11]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Peewee, for what
[13:11]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Reminders?
[13:11]	DogWomble Dollinger 	hey baby02
[13:11]	Peewee Musytari 	there have been some comments about getting letters to tell them to mark them as answered
[13:11]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	ok, yes!
[13:11]	Peewee Musytari 	and some are a bit snippy about it
[13:11]	Amanda Linden 	hey baby...welcome.
[13:11]	Peewee Musytari 	if its not solved
[13:12]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Some older OP with no accepted solutions may get a reminder email
[13:12]	Peewee Musytari 	ahh kk...cos I had no idea what they were talking about lol....good so its an official thing
[13:12]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	ok, thanks for letting me know that Peewee
[13:12]	Amanda Linden 	good q peewee
[13:12]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Its not meant to annoy of course.
[13:12]	Venus Petrov 	they may not know they should indicate correct answer(s)
[13:13]	Amanda Linden 	ok, time to shift to rand/jeremy on kb
[13:13]	Rand (rand.linden) 	OK
[13:13]	teddy Zepp 	hello
[13:13]	teddy Zepp 	all
[13:13]	Rand (rand.linden) 	We're still waiting for Lithium to fix the issue that blocks certain HTML tags and attributes,
[13:13]	Eddi Decosta 	hi Radn sorry i never see you lol
[13:13]	Rand (rand.linden) 	hi
[13:13]	Eddi Decosta 	Rand*
[13:13]	Amanda Linden 	(here's the agenda for those who just joined. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group)
[13:13]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	hi rand
[13:13]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Jeremy has been working on land articles, which are some of the most complex
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari 	the ones that moaned are already annoyed lol...one marked everything as thr ight answer and said she did it cos she had a letter telling her to even though its not solved
[13:13]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	wana be in my band?
[13:13]	Rand (rand.linden) 	I've been looking at the most common search terms to make sure we're covering
[13:13]	teddy Zepp 	hi daniel
[13:14]	Rand (rand.linden) 	We've also got a part-time editor, who has been working on various articles, and is
[13:14]	Void Singer 	oh good, I'd really like to be able to use the <acronym> tag
[13:14]	Rand (rand.linden) 	That's about it....
[13:14]	DogWomble Dollinger 	oh very nice rand
[13:14]	Amanda Linden 	great!
[13:14]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	Aren't HTML tags browser sensitive?
[13:15]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Arawn, not sure what you mean, but Lithium blocks Resi editig of some very basic stuff
[13:15]	Rand (rand.linden) 	e.g. id, class, and style attributes
[13:15]	Rand (rand.linden) 	which are used throughout the KB
[13:15]	Rand (rand.linden) 	This would mostly be an issue for those of Helper rank and for community translators
[13:16]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	right
[13:16]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Hopefully a fix on that soon
[13:16]	Rand (rand.linden) 	yes!
[13:16]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	yes please :)
[13:16]	Amanda Linden 	great...
[13:16]	Amanda Linden 	ok, on to resi qu
[13:16]	Amanda Linden 	estions
[13:16]	Amanda Linden 	unless there's anything else for rand/jeremy?
[13:16]	Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder) 	apparently blocks IE9 posting too
[13:17]	Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder) 	still cant seem to find compatibility
[13:17]	Amanda Linden 	weird.
[13:17]	Amanda Linden 	we should look into that.
[13:17]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Yes you need to run IE9 in compatibility mode, there's a sticky about it somewhere
[13:17]	Orange Planer 	Krapt. I'll give a picture.
[13:17]	Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder) 	cant find it except a thing in tools
[13:18]	Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder) 	but yesterday it didnt seem to have an affect
[13:18]	Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder) 	effect
[13:18]	DogWomble Dollinger 	well if it's any consolation, i believe IE9 broke a few of these things
[13:18]	Peewee Musytari 	click the icon of a torn piece of paper next to the browser bar
[13:18]	Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder) 	taht will teach me to upgrade
[13:18]	Amanda Linden 	ha!
[13:19]	Amanda Linden 	ok, first question is the meaning of harrassment.
[13:19]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated. Harassment can include text or images that contain racist, threatening, abusive or hateful material.
[13:19]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	erm, bathtime?
[13:19]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Thats in the guidelines
[13:19]	Venus Petrov 	There were a couple of things recently. The Disappearing Threads thread was removed. There were a couple of clarifying posts in there from mods. Any reason? Also, there was someone banned without notification and, third, someone else's thread was pulled for harassment when, clearly, it was satire.
[13:19]	Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder) 	harr *** ment alot to me
[13:19]	Amanda Linden 	ha
[13:20]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	lexie -that's a loose definition
[13:20]	Amanda Linden 	lexie, want to talk to venus's questions?
[13:20]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	Thinks Harr***ment to be a C*cky thing to say, in a G Sim
[13:20]	Amanda Linden 	well, it's harassment when it feels like harasment and reported....it's hard to have a perfect definition.
[13:20]	Void Singer 	it kinda needs to be loose to prevent people from skirting it or it being too overbearing Adam
[13:20]	Amanda Linden 	but, what is in the guidelines is pretty much what's in the dictionary
[13:21]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Venus: The disappearing threads thread..I will see why it was removed. I am not sure.
[13:21]	Venus Petrov 	So, it is up to the mod's interpretation, ok.
[13:21]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	yes amanda - but does MY definition of harrassment fit YOURS? n'est ce pas?
[13:21]	Venus Petrov 	thank you Lexie.
[13:21]	Eddi Decosta 	Hyea Jeremy , !! I poke you again! lol
[13:21]	Jeremy Linden 	!
[13:21]	Amanda Linden 	guess everything is relative, but we try ot be as fair as possible.
[13:21]	Venus Petrov 	And if someone is banned, should they be notified as to reason?
[13:21]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	To say that Harrassment of any kind will not be tolerated, would include surprising things.
[13:21]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Venus, yes
[13:22]	Orange Planer 	I would assume that the final definition of "harrassment" would be made by LL.
[13:22]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	yeah like when my neighbour complains abotu me flushing my 35+ tolet simultaneously
[13:22]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	If they did not get a notice they can email me and I can follow up.
[13:22]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	35+ toilets*
[13:22]	Venus Petrov 	So, the issue last week was around sensitive people who RIC a post that the mods do not think violate the guidelines.
[13:22]	Venus Petrov 	Will mods be telling these people this is not a violation?
[13:23]	Venus Petrov 	rather than pull the post/thread?
[13:23]	Amanda Linden 	lexie--want to grab that our should i/
[13:23]	Amanda Linden 	?
[13:23]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	They would only pull the thread if they felt it was a violation
[13:23]	Peewee Musytari 	the mods said they pulled them because they were "disruptive" in the conversation...is that a real violation of the guidelines?
[13:23]	teddy Zepp 	hey everyone please meeet xcucx
[13:23]	Amanda Linden 	exactly, so sometimes it is, an dsometimes it isnt. mods make determination.
[13:24]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	Should mods ahve the patience, to clarify whether the user of a Swastica is a hindu or a Nazi?
[13:24]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	amanda: is there an appeals process for when these mods (scouts or lindens btw?) pull threads etc?
[13:24]	draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)	buddhists use it too arawn
[13:24]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Being disruptive can be a violation yes.
[13:24]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	eg if g-team take action, a resaident can appeal it - does that exist in the forums
[13:24]	Void Singer 	/me got one post pulled (assuming "disruptive was the reason, no notice =/)
[13:24]	Amanda Linden 	nope no offiical appeals. but feel free to DM Lexie.
[13:25]	Peewee Musytari 	kk ty lexie
[13:25]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	that's not good
[13:25]	Amanda Linden 	we;ve been very clear about appeals.
[13:25]	Dresden Ceriano 	what is "being disruptive"?
[13:25]	Amanda Linden 	no appeals.
[13:25]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	theres sohuld, at he vey least, be an appeal process for yoru paying customers
[13:25]	Amanda Linden 	you know waht's interesting?
[13:25]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	my bad typing?
[13:26]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Example Dresden : consistently trying to take the topic off course. Things that ruin the flow of a conversation and impact the other users in a bad way.
[13:26]	Amanda Linden 	that we're having this convo now vs. when the platform launched. to be honest, most of hte violations/bans have really quieted down.
[13:26]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	cool
[13:26]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	yes!
[13:26]	Amanda Linden 	i think most folks understand the rules and are abiding by them
[13:26]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	i only jsut started attending though
[13:26]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	I recall forwardinga panic to G-Team Office Hours, when a comic was banned in the middle of a show.
[13:26]	Amanda Linden 	not sure if we're making more of an issue of htis stuff (def of harrassment, appeals etc) than it really is
[13:26]	Venus Petrov 	impacting users in a bad way is perception, yes?
[13:26]	Orange Planer 	Is there a written list of the rules somewhere, Amanda?
[13:26]	Amanda Linden 	yes, there is.
[13:26]	Dresden Ceriano 	yeah but topics do wander a little a little from time to time
[13:27]	Amanda Linden 	true true
[13:27]	Venus Petrov 	some wandering should be OK
[13:27]	Orange Planer 	Could you post that link to the info?
[13:27]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Venus, it is usally pretty clear if someone is intentionally trying to derail a topic
[13:27]	Venus Petrov 	and some questioning of authority should be OK, too
[13:27]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Im sure most have seen it happen ㋡
[13:27]	Amanda Linden 	and that's cool, just letting you know that it seems to have been clear now what he rules of the road are.
[13:27]	Dresden Ceriano 	alright
[13:27]	Amanda Linden 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Discussion_guidelines
[13:27]	Amanda Linden 	and its up on the top left hand corner of the community site.
[13:28]	Venus Petrov 	I think questioning things should be acceptable
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	absolutely.
[13:28]	Peewee Musytari 	trolls are easy to spot...they are fugly
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	love lively convo's.
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	btw--speaking of diveresions, we forgot to mention one other update...
[13:28]	Venus Petrov 	and lively can get a bit snarky sometimes
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	rand--wanna chime in with the wiki update.
[13:28]	Rand (rand.linden) 	sure
[13:29]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that we'll be doing some work to clean up
[13:29]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	I'm not sensitive enough, for the overly sensitive, and don't tend to notice trolls. Different Moderaters may require different forums.
[13:29]	Rand (rand.linden) 	This will be happening over the next couple weeks.
[13:29]	Rand (rand.linden) 	"That is all." :-)
[13:29]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	arawn - exactly
[13:29]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	soem mods may interpret differently to others
[13:29]	Amanda Linden 	thanks rand.
[13:29]	Peewee Musytari 	good one rand...some of it is very contradictory
[13:29]	Orange Planer 	the rules state "we moderate at our discretion."
[13:30]	draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)	you are removing non obsolete information?
[13:30]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	correct Orange
[13:30]	Venus Petrov 	I guess that I would rather we not have a community of Stepfords
[13:30]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Yes, we'll also be enlisting everyone to help us find and remove or edit old, outdated, or incorrect info...
[13:30]	Rand (rand.linden) 	More info next week.
[13:30]	Orange Planer 	Nice, RAnd.
[13:30]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	wd rand
[13:30]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Thx! :-)
[13:30]	Peewee Musytari 	does the incident blotter still exist, the link doesn`t work anymore?
[13:31]	Void Singer 	That's good news Rand, can I make one suggestion while you're doing it? link out to the new knowledgebase instead of redirecting? some articles still have content that's crosslinked and it's a pain to be whisked away when doing a wiki serch and plopped in the new knowledge base
[13:31]	Venus Petrov 	and the mods should not take comments made generically to them so personally.
[13:31]	DogWomble Dollinger 	that stopped working a while back i believe peewee
[13:31]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	no secret, rand's an all star
[13:31]	Rand (rand.linden) 	aw, shucks!
[13:31]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	amanda 1 mroe question: the mods? scouts or lindens?
[13:31]	Amanda Linden 	they have al inden last name and operate as a linden.
[13:31]	Amanda Linden 	you should consider them lindens--extension of our team.
[13:31]	Lisa Fossett 	Sue made an announcement on the JIRA to the effect the blotter would not be repaired
[13:31]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	boy, THAT was vague
[13:31]	Peewee Musytari 	very LOL
[13:32]	Peewee Musytari 	faux lindens
[13:32]	Peewee Musytari 	hehe
[13:32]	Amanda Linden 	ok, they are lindens.
[13:32]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	Will they be real lindens, or sub-contractors?
[13:32]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	let's communicate
[13:32]	Qie (qie.niangao) 	vague, presumably, for the benefit of the Internal Revenue Service.
[13:32]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	They are Lindens
[13:32]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	They have the mod last name on the forums for easy identification
[13:32]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	thanks lexie
[13:32]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	a nice straight answer
[13:33]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	: )
[13:33]	Amanda Linden 	ok, zoya had a question about the solution provider directory.
[13:33]	Amanda Linden 	should be pretty fast to get in.
[13:33]	Zoya Writer 	yep
[13:33]	Zoya Writer 	sure do
[13:33]	Amanda Linden 	if you have questions, then just email business@lindenlab.com and they will look into it
[13:33]	Zoya Writer 	i submitted to the SP Directory
[13:33]	Zoya Writer 	been pending for a month
[13:33]	Zoya Writer 	soooooo
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	hmmmust have fallen throught he cracks. sorry about that.
[13:34]	Zoya Writer 	can I get approved already
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	email business@lindenlab.com and they can help you.
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	goes to the team that manages that program.
[13:34]	Zoya Writer 	cool - how long does that kind of thing usually take - approval I mean
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	ok, dresden has a q about smiles...
[13:34]	Peewee Musytari 	heya cat
[13:34]	Peewee Musytari 	=^.^= *Nahm Nahm Nahm!*
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	oh, zoya, it should be only a few days...
[13:34]	COCOON (wildcat.furse) 	HEY HEY
[13:34]	COCOON (wildcat.furse) 	O.o *mew* *mew* o.O
[13:34]	COCOON (wildcat.furse) 	☠ °•·.·´¯`·.·•✰ ◕‿◕ ✰•·.·´¯`·.·•☠
[13:34]	Dresden Ceriano 	we covered that
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	kk, just makin' sure
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:35]	Zoya Writer 	i got other questions too - guess I should address it to them as well ?
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	and the reply button too, right?
[13:35]	Dresden Ceriano 	right
[13:35]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	covered
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	yep, they run that program zoya, we're really not the right folks to ask about the SP program.
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	ok,
[13:35]	Dresden Ceriano 	seems it should reply to the OP
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	land user group.
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	yes, yes, we hear ya on that one.
[13:35]	Qie (qie.niangao) 	okay. :) thanks.
[13:35]	Zoya Writer 	land user group ?
[13:35]	Zoya Writer 	okay thanks
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	we've had some internal updates/changes and i'll put it on the new sr. director's radar screen.
[13:36]	Zoya Writer 	/me is trotting over to knock on their door then
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	i was in waiting mode for a bit on that one.
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	but, i know it's a big need since jack left
[13:36]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	i see umpteen new "manager" related jobs
[13:36]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	do we have any planned "relevant" linden jobs?
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	more next week, k?
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	current hires are all listed on ll.com. :)
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	lindenlab.com
[13:36]	Qie (qie.niangao) 	thanks Amanda. Arbor Project will be happy to hear that it's in the works.
[13:36]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	then i will look
[13:36]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	/me'd like a manager job, if the handlebars are cushioned
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	sure thing!
[13:36]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	and i will mention it at a shareholders meeting
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	ok, anything else before we hit our bigger topics.
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	oh, i see a question on twitter feed....
[13:37]	Marianne McCann 	Definitely been missed
[13:37]	Dresden Ceriano 	did we reslove the reply thing?
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	yes, we're looking at all of htese old twitter feeds. it's on my plate to review.
[13:37]	Dresden Ceriano 	did i niss that?
[13:37]	Dresden Ceriano 	miss*
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	we have ll twitter feeds all over the place.
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:38]	Venus Petrov 	Dres, you said it had been covered lol
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	but, to find out about user groups, the main user group page on the wiki is the best place to go.
[13:38]	Venus Petrov 	But it had not.
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	don't have to be on twiter.
[13:38]	Dresden Ceriano 	that was the smilies
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	oh, ok.
[13:38]	Peewee Musytari 	the one about the reply button not replying to OP?
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	then the reply button one...
[13:38]	Venus Petrov 	right
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	lexie...
[13:39]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Can you fix the slurl for the twitter notice for this meeting
[13:39]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Yes, the reply button is on the bottom of the page but we are looking at why it sometimes replies to the Op and sometimes the last post.
[13:39]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	We will get it fixed!
[13:39]	Venus Petrov 	great, thanks
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	cool.
[13:39]	Dresden Ceriano 	and the top one does that same thing
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	anything else before we dive in...
[13:39]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Right Dres
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	would love your take on the new dynamic login page.
[13:39]	Dresden Ceriano 	okay
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	did you notice?
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:39]	Peewee Musytari 	yus
[13:39]	draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)	i liked it
[13:39]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Yes it's about time
[13:39]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	I like it!!
[13:40]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	Dynamic Log-In?
[13:40]	Qie (qie.niangao) 	definitely noticed, and definitely good to have it back again.
[13:40]	Void Singer 	/me doesn't even know where I might see this new dynamic login page
[13:40]	Lisa Fossett 	on the main viewer
[13:40]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	nor i
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	yep, so when you log in to second life next, take a look at that webpage on the main viewer...
[13:40]	Lisa Fossett 	V2
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	we have announcements and blog feed up there now.
[13:40]	Lisa Fossett 	yes, that's great
[13:40]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	/me uses 3rd party viewer, dunno if it;s ther
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	and exploring which feeds would be most useful on that screen.
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	it's the best real estate we have to reach all resi's....
[13:40]	Lisa Fossett 	not on the TPV
[13:40]	Void Singer 	ah, the new widgets with blog links? ok
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	yep.
[13:40]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	http://www.secondlife.com ?
[13:40]	Dresden Ceriano 	that's cool... too bad I don't use LL viewers
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	nope, if you use the latest viewer...
[13:40]	Qie (qie.niangao) 	I'm not *quite* sure the blog feed is all the right blog articles, by the way. might be some tuning there.
[13:41]	Amanda Linden 	true true.
[13:41]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	cheers lisa- i'd need a nasa supercomputer to run 2.x and all it;s pointless add-ons
[13:41]	Peewee Musytari 	it would be good to have things there related to login....like the grid status maintainace reports so people don`t post in SLA why do I get the message that inventory server is broken, when its on the status that its being worked on
[13:41]	Amanda Linden 	good point qie.
[13:41]	Void Singer 	needs a feed from the gridstatus... don't think I remember seeing that on there
[13:41]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Blog links and some promotion, I noticed the machinima event was being pushed yesterday and there's info for new residents there, nicely done
[13:41]	Orange Planer 	I'm not sure what you mean by "dynamic login"
[13:41]	Amanda Linden 	nope, no feed from gridstatus...
[13:41]	Amanda Linden 	ah, it's for folks using the official sl viewer.
[13:41]	Orange Planer 	Right, like me.
[13:41]	Jeremy Linden 	The page is dynamic, rather than the login.
[13:41]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	I was just using 2.6.5
[13:41]	Orange Planer 	Ah, I see.
[13:41]	Orange Planer 	Yes, I noticed it.
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	dyanmic vs. the plain flat web image.
[13:42]	Orange Planer 	Very nifty.
[13:42]	Marianne McCann 	A big improvement. More information, but retains a clean look
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:42]	Marianne McCann 	I do with it had grid status in there, though
[13:42]	Qie (qie.niangao) 	right, the gridstatus could come with the twitter feed, along with the SecondLife twitter account.
[13:42]	Void Singer 	Orange, new widget panes on the login screen for v@
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	what else do you wish was up there?>
[13:42]	Void Singer 	v2*
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	would it be helpful to have a feed of cool events in SL happening now/soon?
[13:42]	Orange Planer 	/me nods to Void.
[13:42]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	is rod gonna join us today?
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	nope. n ot today.
[13:42]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	oh :(
[13:42]	Marianne McCann 	Amanda - possibly, though that could also get difficult
[13:42]	Orange Planer 	That wouldn't be a horrible idea, Amanda.
[13:42]	Lisa Fossett 	yes, amanada
[13:42]	Daniel Voyager 	SL grid statistics would be good to have like it was last year...
[13:43]	Peewee Musytari 	a thing so you can click to change your start location to the picture on the screen, cos some of them places look cool but dunno where they are
[13:43]	draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)	http://secondlife.com/app/login/ is the page if you dont have v2
[13:43]	Orange Planer 	How about links to the wiki tutorials?
[13:43]	Void Singer 	besides gridstatus notices? we could use a return of thing like concurrency stats... any of the API feeds would be nice
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	interesting....
[13:43]	Dresden Ceriano 	thanks drac
[13:43]	Jeremy Linden 	/me likes Peewee's idea.
[13:43]	Lisa Fossett 	and if you're in basic, you can't search or opent the map...so click to start there is rather important
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	yeah, super good ideas.
[13:44]	Orange Planer 	Suggestion
[13:44]	Marianne McCann 	I'd love to see VWR-17022 for events, but that's quite separate from the splash page
[13:44]	Orange Planer 	Since the dynamic page is only displayed for a limited period of time that changes depending on how fast someone logs in....
[13:44]	Orange Planer 	Perhaps one could log in but leave the dynamic page up until someone clicks a "Continue to Second Life!" button.
[13:44]	Amanda Linden 	interesting.
[13:44]	Marianne McCann 	Events: I could see some sort of something, but how many events? Which events/ How would it be determined, and how would itdiffer form the MotD
[13:44]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	hmm!
[13:44]	Amanda Linden 	keep going.
[13:44]	Daniel Voyager 	the name of location of the background picture would be nice to have somewhere on login screen!
[13:44]	Peewee Musytari 	an easy link to a page that translates the login errors?...even if its just the KB page
[13:44]	Lisa Fossett 	Or make a refresh button to bring it back?
[13:45]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	I like that Daniel
[13:45]	Qie (qie.niangao) 	(at least the user has control over how long the dynamic page displays, unlike the MotD)
[13:45]	Amanda Linden 	oh, nice.
[13:45]	Marianne McCann 	/me nods
[13:45]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Agrees with Qie
[13:45]	Daniel Voyager 	:)
[13:45]	Marianne McCann 	True, Qie
[13:45]	Amanda Linden 	thanks so much for the ideas....keep 'em coming.
[13:45]	Amanda Linden 	we're going to be p lanning the next few phases and i can contribute your ideas into the mix.
[13:45]	Marianne McCann 	I know that in rto weeks I have a big mainland event coming up, but dreadfully few ways to get it highlighted. So I feel this pain right now...
[13:45]	Void Singer 	both feeds from this page, for reference....https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Live_Data_Feeds
[13:46]	Jeremy Linden 	KB vs. Login failures: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Login-failure/ta-p/700109
[13:46]	Marianne McCann 	two*
[13:46]	Void Singer 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Live_Data_Feeds (sorry for the bad link)
[13:46]	Qie (qie.niangao) 	Mari: get Blondin to blog it, then it will be on the "cover page"
[13:46]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:46]	Marianne McCann 	Qie - He doesn't seem to e in the blog biz nowadays
[13:46]	Peewee Musytari 	yes that one jeremy
[13:46]	Marianne McCann 	(Never have gotten the Bay City anniversary blogged before)
[13:46]	Amanda Linden 	true true
[13:47]	Amanda Linden 	ok, anything else that you guys want to chat about?
[13:47]	Orange Planer 	How about the 20% of SL that has a variety of different handicaps?
[13:47]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	yes
[13:47]	Amanda Linden 	thanks guys--again--for lobbing ideas in. :)
[13:48]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	great ideas!
[13:48]	Marianne McCann 	NUE?
[13:48]	Amanda Linden 	you guys vote---what you want to discuss for last 10
[13:48]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	lobbing? I haven't heard that for years!
[13:48]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	what are linden labs doing, given current events, to stop the amount of paying customers who are elaving to join your competitiors?
[13:48]	Marianne McCann 	(I always toss NUE out there)
[13:48]	Orange Planer 	NUE - for 1/5th of the population.
[13:48]	Peewee Musytari 	on the ranks thing it says some ranks can make KB pages...unpublished ones....can we do that or is it disabled?...I couldn`t see anywhere to do it
[13:48]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	What's NUE?
[13:49]	Marianne McCann 	New User Experience
[13:49]	DogWomble Dollinger 	new user experience?
[13:49]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Peewee, contributor can start new KB articles
[13:49]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	New User Experience with Viewer 2?
[13:49]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	nue sucks - ther;s little help in some areas for them
[13:49]	Marianne McCann 	Still would love to see somethign done to make the hubs somehow.. effective....
[13:49]	Orange Planer 	Well, actually...
[13:49]	Kennylex Luckless 	Can I take up something about new walcome areas and slur signs?
[13:49]	Amanda Linden 	well, geyeah, we know we need to do a lot of work there... on NUE
[13:49]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	2 or 3 kiosks, nothing else
[13:49]	Amanda Linden 	it's one of our key initaitives.
[13:50]	Gentle Heron 	Many groups have set up training courses related to Viewer 2.
[13:50]	Peewee Musytari 	do u know where lexie?...I thought I looked everywhere, I must have missed it
[13:50]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	amanda, did you receive my nc ref NUE?
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	not sure...
[13:50]	Marianne McCann 	We have two hubs in Bay City, and we <3 new users. At the same time, it's a pain point due to griefers, harassment, etc.
[13:50]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	/me gives up
[13:50]	Orange Planer 	For those with mobility issues using SL can be very difficult and there are a variety of tips and technologies to assist them.
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	if it was a notecard, i get dozens every week.
[13:50]	teddy Zepp 	when will mesh be introduce ?
[13:50]	Orange Planer 	Unfortunately, a lot of people aren't aware of the information and don't know where to look.
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	hard to sort through. better to email me.
[13:50]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	i give up
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	still working on mesh--beta on aditi.
[13:50]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	i jsut 100% give up
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	no launch data announced.
[13:50]	Marianne McCann 	Teddy - July 14, 2231
[13:50]	Marianne McCann 	If not sooner
[13:50]	Orange Planer 	That's exactly the kind of "quick hit" that would make a big difference for a lot of peopel.
[13:50]	teddy Zepp 	is it still set for june
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	marianne, wehre did you get that date?
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	just curious...
[13:51]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	Peewee: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/tkb-p/English_KB%40tkb - There should be a button saying "New Article"
[13:51]	Marianne McCann 	July 14, 2231? Made up on the spot
[13:51]	DogWomble Dollinger 	amanda it was made up maybe? :P
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	ah
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	ok. :)
[13:51]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Thanks Torben
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	yeah, no set time yet.
[13:51]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	yw
[13:51]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Hopefully before 2231!
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	for mesh. but we'll update when we do.
[13:51]	Void Singer 	2231? so only a few hundred years off
[13:51]	COCOON (wildcat.furse) 	LOL
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	um, yeah, a few hundred years for mesh.
[13:52]	Amanda Linden 	not a problme, right? (tongue in cheek)
[13:52]	DogWomble Dollinger 	well it'd have to be a centurian effort
[13:52]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	220 years, and a couple months
[13:52]	teddy Zepp 	if not will this mean when they introduce mesh it will need a new viewer
[13:52]	Dresden Ceriano 	oh good i have time to upgrade my PC
[13:52]	Marianne McCann 	Well, it will be here by at least then, if not sooner.
[13:52]	Void Singer 	/me was in no hurry
[13:52]	Amanda Linden 	ha.
[13:53]	draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)	i prefer 2038 as unix time will roll over then
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	has anybody checked out the new reg lately?
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	just curious.
[13:53]	DogWomble Dollinger 	yeah, i could use a video card upgrade myself :P
[13:53]	Marianne McCann 	Amanda - the join.secondlife.com page?
[13:53]	Void Singer 	reg = registration?
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	the whole process ahs been upgrade.
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	d
[13:53]	Lisa Fossett 	how recently Amanda?
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	a few weeks ago. another update going up next week.
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	but, it's different, easier.
[13:53]	Lisa Fossett 	Yes, think so...made more sense
[13:53]	Void Singer 	/me hasn't personally, but understands it no longer requires email verification =/
[13:54]	Amanda Linden 	give it a shot. it's not a community tool, but wanted you guys to be aware.
[13:54]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:54]	Amanda Linden 	(since so many folks mentioned NUE)
[13:54]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	[13:48] Adamburp Adamczyk: what are linden labs doing, given current events, to stop the amount of paying customers who are elaving to join your competitiors?
[13:54]	Gentle Heron 	QUESTION- Is there any information on how the new registration process will affect RegAPIs?
[13:54]	Lisa Fossett 	Well, I'd consider it integral to NUE, Amanda :)
[13:54]	Void Singer 	I saw pictures... it's pretty even if the layout style was stolen
[13:54]	Amanda Linden 	rand, do you want to take gnetle's question/
[13:54]	Marianne McCann 	Ya, I like the join.secondlife.com setup and layout. But once I join... then what
[13:55]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Gentle, afaik it doesn't affect reg api
[13:55]	Rand (rand.linden) 	The reg changes were just on the front end on secondlife.com
[13:55]	Amanda Linden 	yeah, that's the part we need toget better marinanne, but hopefully the basic viewer helps.
[13:55]	Amanda Linden 	with destination guide baked in
[13:55]	Amanda Linden 	and more goodness on the way there.
[13:55]	Marianne McCann 	Also, I think the username options are becoming... a less than optimal thing, as we start to see more XSaNdY23452 Residents about. But that' me
[13:55]	Amanda Linden 	but, lots to do on NUE, for sure!
[13:56]	Marianne McCann 	I think it does, Amanda. Definitely bubbles up the DG in some nice ways
[13:56]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	amanda - visit boardroom infohub and see just how bad it is
[13:56]	Gentle Heron 	I agree Marianne, those names are getting harder and harder to remember.
[13:56]	Amanda Linden 	yeah, it's funny taht people are picking nonsensical nams.
[13:56]	Amanda Linden 	names
[13:56]	Marianne McCann 	Ya. And even with Display Names, there still is a need to rely on user.names. Particularly for the actual end user
[13:57]	Peewee Musytari 	so hard to search them
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	good point.
[13:57]	Void Singer 	/me nods @ Mari: yeah I'm seeing it too... there needs to be something in there that says "People can and will see the username you choose"
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	another great point.
[13:57]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	agreed
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	i'll take that back void.
[13:57]	DogWomble Dollinger 	i'm just wondering, should there be something in the reg process that reminds people of the importance of picking a good name?
[13:57]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	/me wants to use "captain underpants" as dispaly name, but is that ar-able?
[13:57]	Marianne McCann 	Amanda . We saw that to some extent at AOL. It can be seen as a user frustration. After trying fifteen variables on "John," someone gives up and goes as nonsensical as they can, just to get past that step
[13:57]	Peewee Musytari 	does it same username or userID on registration?
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	+1 dog...we need to make that clearer.
[13:58]	Peewee Musytari 	they are more like Ids
[13:58]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler) 	/me wonders if Slicker Knickers would float
[13:58]	Marianne McCann 	Part of the "people hate to wait" thing
[13:58]	Amanda Linden 	ok, guys. i need to scoot out 2 mins early--to set up for next meeting....
[13:58]	Peewee Musytari 	yeah they are like suggested by a computer names
[13:58]	Amanda Linden 	the rest of the lindens can stay.
[13:58]	Lisa Fossett 	must go too
[13:58]	Marianne McCann 	Have fun, Amanda
[13:58]	Amanda Linden 	thanks again for naother great session!
[13:59]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Thanks for a great meeting. I need to go too
[13:59]	DogWomble Dollinger 	yeah, i need to head off too
[13:59]	DogWomble Dollinger 	damn works :P
[13:59]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	whispers: communication.........
[13:59]	Amanda Linden 	/me waves all around.
[13:59]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	bye all
[13:59]	DogWomble Dollinger 	/me waves to evryone
[13:59]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Bye for now!
[13:59]	Marianne McCann 	I need to zip as well. Got a machinima to shoot and an event to promote.
[13:59]	Daniel Voyager 	bye! :)
[13:59]	Marianne McCann 	Bye Bye!!
[13:59]	Amanda Linden 	bye all
[13:59]	Void Singer 	/me pops off: thanks for the updates
[13:59]	Jeremy Linden 	My computer thinks my name should be 1001101101010110100111
[13:59]	bee Baroque 	/me waves bye \o
[13:59]	Dresden Ceriano 	lol
[13:59]	Kennylex Luckless 	NUE, some slurs in wne welcome area sends new commer in to the water.
[13:59]	Peewee Musytari 	good meeting all...ty amanda. lexie, rand, raymond, jeremy...in no particular order :))
[13:59]	Eddi Decosta 	bye bye Jeremy see you later :)
[14:00]	draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)	jeremy that comes out to ›V'
[14:00]	Peewee Musytari 	ooh where is darrius?...no transcript from him
[14:00]	Jeremy Linden 	Huh. Is that like a "mad Cylon" face?
[14:00]	Peewee Musytari 	/me ** Loooooo00ooooooL **
[14:00]	Dresden Ceriano 	well... later =)~
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