Beta server office hours/Minutes/2018-11-01

[2018/11/01 15:00] Kennylex Luckless: Hia
[2018/11/01 15:00] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): hey!
[2018/11/01 15:00] Kennylex Luckless: It is that time saving that make it hard to keep time.
[2018/11/01 15:00] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): more peeps
[2018/11/01 15:00] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): i am not looking forward to "time saving"
[2018/11/01 15:00] Duckie Dickins: I was trying to buy a parcel in eeptesting with no success.
[2018/11/01 15:00] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): day lights saving
[2018/11/01 15:01] Duckie Dickins: while using the eep viewer
[2018/11/01 15:01] Rex Cronon: hi everybody
[2018/11/01 15:01] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): How many of you are testing on eep?
[2018/11/01 15:02] NOPE (margithe): so like, i have an avatar where the hair and glasses just don't render if i don't edit them, after every teleport
[2018/11/01 15:02] NOPE (margithe): i thought we were past that already
[2018/11/01 15:02] NOPE (margithe): (unrigged mesh)
[2018/11/01 15:02] Duckie Dickins: I couldn't buy a parcel
[2018/11/01 15:02] Rex Cronon: i am not testing wEEP
[2018/11/01 15:02] Kennylex Luckless: Strange, my AO do not work here.
[2018/11/01 15:02] NOPE (margithe): i'm not testing eep atm.
[2018/11/01 15:03] Mazidox Linden: Hiya!
[2018/11/01 15:03] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): can you wear your avatar nope?
[2018/11/01 15:03] NOPE (margithe): i'm superfrustrated with always arriving bald
[2018/11/01 15:03] NOPE (margithe): it's not this account. And yes, they are a little bit vertex heavy.
[2018/11/01 15:04] Duckie Dickins: I'm also supposed to bring up https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-225736 with yesterday's rolling restart.
[2018/11/01 15:04] Rex Cronon: it takes time for each hair follicle to arrive;)
[2018/11/01 15:04] Mazidox Linden: It's on my radar Duckie :)
[2018/11/01 15:05] Mazidox Linden: I don't know what the heck happened, but I'm hoping I can find out next week.
[2018/11/01 15:05] Duckie Dickins: ok!
[2018/11/01 15:05] NOPE (margithe): can we talk about mondays and todays sudden slide downhill ?
[2018/11/01 15:05] Duckie Dickins: I thought maybe someone was making it easier to catch glytches or something. :P
[2018/11/01 15:06] Mazidox Linden: It was very rainy and the path got a little muddy, makes landslides more common you know how it goes.
[2018/11/01 15:06] NOPE (margithe): DDOS?
[2018/11/01 15:06] Rex Cronon: what happned today nope?
[2018/11/01 15:07] NOPE (margithe): mass logouts
[2018/11/01 15:07] Mazidox Linden: We do our best to be transparent, and as soon as we can talk about it, we will.
[2018/11/01 15:07] Duckie Dickins: does that mean next week you'll be a plastic spray bottle?
[2018/11/01 15:08] Mazidox Linden: Be right back, gotta look at Caleb's screen.
[2018/11/01 15:08] Kennylex Luckless: I need to ask, I have seen folk in Bonifico Welcome Area that could rez objects and the objects then stay for more then a day even it have 1 min auto return, how do they do that?
[2018/11/01 15:08] Beq Janus: hey all
[2018/11/01 15:08] Duckie Dickins: now they're sharing memes again. :P
[2018/11/01 15:08] Rex Cronon: hi beq
[2018/11/01 15:08] NOPE (margithe): 20 k people got logged off by magic :)
[2018/11/01 15:09] Duckie Dickins: gremlins chewing on the cat6 again.
[2018/11/01 15:09] Rex Cronon: asset storage went BORK?
[2018/11/01 15:10] Beq Janus: ordering pizza
[2018/11/01 15:10] NOPE (margithe): i think it was bigger, my friend in belgium had almost total internet outage at the same time
[2018/11/01 15:10] Rex Cronon: COULD THEY RELOG WITHOUT A PROBLEM?
[2018/11/01 15:10] Mazidox Linden: :o
[2018/11/01 15:10] Mazidox Linden: I want pizza!
[2018/11/01 15:10] Rex Cronon: forgot caps lock on. sorry
[2018/11/01 15:10] Duckie Dickins: whoops..why did that give it to you..I was trying to rez it on the ground. lol
[2018/11/01 15:10] Mazidox Linden: Mine now!
[2018/11/01 15:11] Whirly Fizzle: Anyone else see Beq like this? lol https://prnt.sc/ldbb9x
[2018/11/01 15:11] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): yeah ~ I tried resetting skeleton too
[2018/11/01 15:11] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I've no idea what happened
[2018/11/01 15:11] NOPE (margithe): no, took about 30 minutes or so before one could log back in. I do wonder however, who were those 16 k people that managed to stay online- i want their secrets
[2018/11/01 15:11] Whirly Fizzle: You know, my avatar had that earlier on Aditi.
[2018/11/01 15:11] Whirly Fizzle: Reset didn't fix. Had to replace outfit
[2018/11/01 15:12] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): Whirly! how?
[2018/11/01 15:12] NOPE (margithe): ooh, i thought she had animesh attached or something
[2018/11/01 15:12] Beq Janus: I'm wearing the animesh teddy Whirls
[2018/11/01 15:12] Whirly Fizzle: OOooh
[2018/11/01 15:12] Mazidox Linden: Beq doesn't look that way for me, but wow is that unhappy.
[2018/11/01 15:12] Whirly Fizzle: Oh shit, so was I hahaha
[2018/11/01 15:12] NOPE (margithe): so wrong viewer.
[2018/11/01 15:12] Whirly Fizzle: Wow that makes a mess lol
[2018/11/01 15:12] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): impressed how disturbing it looks
[2018/11/01 15:12] NOPE (margithe): it's going to be epic when it rolls out.
[2018/11/01 15:13] Beq Janus: yeah cos it deforms the skeelly to which it is attached
[2018/11/01 15:13] Duckie Dickins: wow....I guess the eep viewer makes beq look distorted.
[2018/11/01 15:13] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): happy halloween+1
[2018/11/01 15:13] Whirly Fizzle: Yeah I just added the teddy
[2018/11/01 15:13] Whirly Fizzle: Niiice
[2018/11/01 15:13] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Oh ~ yeah I spun up the non-animesh viewer out of habit
[2018/11/01 15:13] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): /me giggles
[2018/11/01 15:13] Whirly Fizzle: I just expected the teddy not to render correctly actually, not mess up the whole avatar
[2018/11/01 15:13] Duckie Dickins: lulz
[2018/11/01 15:13] Beq Janus: I am running FS Animesh all the time at the moment
[2018/11/01 15:13] Mazidox Linden: So, I got in a little late, where were we?
[2018/11/01 15:13] Beq Janus: trying to break it
[2018/11/01 15:14] Rex Cronon: have u been playing with deformers beq
[2018/11/01 15:14] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): the announcements
[2018/11/01 15:14] Beq Janus: No Rex animesh
[2018/11/01 15:14] Duckie Dickins: I have a deformer somewhere. I wonder if it still works.
[2018/11/01 15:14] Beq Janus: there does that help?
[2018/11/01 15:14] NOPE (margithe): lh dear lord
[2018/11/01 15:14] Beq Janus: I removed the teddy I was carrying
[2018/11/01 15:14] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): RC this week had DRTSIM-393 and DRTSIM-391 both are logging related
[2018/11/01 15:14] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): yep yep
[2018/11/01 15:15] Whirly Fizzle: Fine after resetting skelly & animations
[2018/11/01 15:15] Beq Janus: you may need to reset skelly if not but I ought to be back
[2018/11/01 15:15] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): it looks like DRTSIM-393 will be promoted to Second Life Server
[2018/11/01 15:15] Mazidox Linden: 393 is nicknamed "Mazidox should check logs better" lol.
[2018/11/01 15:15] Mazidox Linden: (Or it is now)
[2018/11/01 15:15] BEER COOLER: One beer per person please!
[2018/11/01 15:15] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): mazidox should check logs good
[2018/11/01 15:15] Whirly Fizzle: I'm not seeing shrek ears!
[2018/11/01 15:15] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): duckie!
[2018/11/01 15:16] Rex Cronon: mazidox , u should give your bear magical powers to transforms thsoe that ear it intgo spraycans:)
[2018/11/01 15:16] Mazidox Linden: Ugh, the shrek ears are for something else.
[2018/11/01 15:16] Mazidox Linden: Don't even get me started.
[2018/11/01 15:16] Whirly Fizzle: lol
[2018/11/01 15:16] Rex Cronon: wear it*
[2018/11/01 15:17] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): don't you think of the smashmouth song when you hear of shrek?
[2018/11/01 15:17] BEER COOLER: One beer per person please!
[2018/11/01 15:17] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): No~
[2018/11/01 15:17] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): but now that you said smashmouth .. yes
[2018/11/01 15:17] NOPE (margithe): was that all for announcements?
[2018/11/01 15:18] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): next week we got DRTSIM-392 for RC
[2018/11/01 15:19] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): it's changes to land impact/streaming cost accounting
[2018/11/01 15:20] Mazidox Linden: Also DRTSIM-391+392 (391 is currently on RC and won't be promoted next week)
[2018/11/01 15:20] Duckie Dickins: so exactly what does that mean?
[2018/11/01 15:20] NOPE (margithe): wait wha
[2018/11/01 15:21] NOPE (margithe): will that affect already rezzed objects?
[2018/11/01 15:21] Duckie Dickins: about land impact and streaming cost accounting? Are sculpties suddenly going to inflate in Land Impact?
[2018/11/01 15:21] Whirly Fizzle: The fix for Animesh LI you mean?
[2018/11/01 15:21] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): what kind of land impact and streaming cost?
[2018/11/01 15:21] Mazidox Linden: It's a fix for Animesh LI accounting.
[2018/11/01 15:21] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): ahh okay ~
[2018/11/01 15:21] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): not general
[2018/11/01 15:21] NOPE (margithe): phew.
[2018/11/01 15:22] Beq Janus: that's yet to come, that's arctan
[2018/11/01 15:22] NOPE (margithe): ....
[2018/11/01 15:22] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): @NOPE ~ the generla solution is allegedly in the works ~ I was just confirming it wasn't suddden'y "out now"
[2018/11/01 15:22] Whirly Fizzle: This bug https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/429183-animesh-release-delayed-for-another-2-weeks/
[2018/11/01 15:22] NOPE (margithe): Erm... that sounds like the sky IS falling
[2018/11/01 15:23] NOPE (margithe): (not whirlys link, Arctan)
[2018/11/01 15:23] Beq Janus: At Oz's meeting on Wed he said that Arctan ought to get more linden love after eep and animesh are out
[2018/11/01 15:24] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Hardly a sky is falling problem
[2018/11/01 15:24] NOPE (margithe): i don't know if i'm looking forward to that.
[2018/11/01 15:24] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): it's a much needed reevaluation of all content ~ basing it more on render cost ~ rather than network activity.
[2018/11/01 15:24] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): But that's really not a server issue =p
[2018/11/01 15:24] Beq Janus: margithe, arctan is (hopefully) going to redress the imbalance in LI and complexity that we have today so that the "cost" metrics reflect the actual cost of drawing stuff on the screen
[2018/11/01 15:24] Rex Cronon: artcan? sounds like a demons name from blood3
[2018/11/01 15:25] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): ArcTan ~ as in an inverse Tangent
[2018/11/01 15:25] Duckie Dickins: that means my sculpty kraken over there won't be 23 LI anymore. ...maybe like....100
[2018/11/01 15:25] Rex Cronon: lol
[2018/11/01 15:25] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): @ Duckie ~ that's very possible yes.
[2018/11/01 15:25] Beq Janus: and tanning the hide of the ARC calculation ;-)
[2018/11/01 15:25] Duckie Dickins: I guess that means flexi prims might raise in cost too.
[2018/11/01 15:26] Beq Janus: I would not speualte on what wil happen if I were any of you. I doubt anything will drastically go up, except really bad stuff maybe, more likely is other stuff gets lower, things get rebase-lined. Oz is really keen on this, but I would not want to second guess where it goes
[2018/11/01 15:27] NOPE (margithe): i am worried for a lot of sims going belly up.
[2018/11/01 15:27] Beq Janus: nah
[2018/11/01 15:27] NOPE (margithe): and whole marketplace will be showing wrong LI.
[2018/11/01 15:27] NOPE (margithe): or a LOT of it
[2018/11/01 15:27] Mazidox Linden: Sorry, had to do stuff in another window
[2018/11/01 15:28] Beq Janus: it ihas been said a number of times that the expectation is that things will be adjusted to componesate and if you have really bad junk then it will be flagged extensively so that you have plenty of time to fix it
[2018/11/01 15:28] Rex Cronon: what will happen with all those sculptiies hairpieces?
[2018/11/01 15:28] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Anyho
[2018/11/01 15:28] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I have an actual server question
[2018/11/01 15:28] NOPE (margithe): i would suggest at least a viewer to see what new Li things are getting
[2018/11/01 15:28] Whirly Fizzle: Oh for those that didn't see yet, new MP shiny including categories for Gacha & Furry https://community.secondlife.com/blogs/entry/2440-marketplace-november-updates/
[2018/11/01 15:29] Duckie Dickins: heh. furry category.
[2018/11/01 15:29] Beq Janus: pokes Liz and her server bug
[2018/11/01 15:29] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-5591
[2018/11/01 15:29] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): This bug
[2018/11/01 15:29] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): is ancient ~ it's been around for 6 + years
[2018/11/01 15:29] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): probably longer than that
[2018/11/01 15:29] Mazidox Linden: I can state with a fair degree of confidence that we will have a transitional period of some kind Margithe.
[2018/11/01 15:29] Rex Cronon: u can now buy beeboop furriesl)
[2018/11/01 15:29] Rex Cronon: :)
[2018/11/01 15:29] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): But no one has been able to really nail down the exact repro for the case that is vaguely described in 5591
[2018/11/01 15:30] Mazidox Linden: Do you have a reproduction case polysail?
[2018/11/01 15:30] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I pinned it down ~ but it's an odd server thing I can't really look into .
[2018/11/01 15:30] Mazidox Linden: Is it something you're comfortable sharing here?
[2018/11/01 15:30] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Yeah ~ I have a JIRA I wrote up ~ pending a little more testing
[2018/11/01 15:30] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): But basically
[2018/11/01 15:31] Beq Janus: nods, she does we repro'#d succesfylly twice today. But I have to reboot a server in a busy esate to do the test so it requires people to not be around...
[2018/11/01 15:31] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): the physics shape "reverts" to Convex Hull for the entire object when it's got a component in the linkset that's affected by a prim Omega script.
[2018/11/01 15:31] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): It occurs on Server Restart.
[2018/11/01 15:31] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): My best guess is that
[2018/11/01 15:31] Mazidox Linden: A prim omega script?
[2018/11/01 15:31] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): llTargetOmega
[2018/11/01 15:32] Mazidox Linden: Got it, hm.
[2018/11/01 15:32] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): or llSetPrimitiveParams [ PRIM_OMEGA ]
[2018/11/01 15:32] Mazidox Linden: That is... Huh.
[2018/11/01 15:32] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): it's the same behavor as in JIRA 5591
[2018/11/01 15:32] Mazidox Linden: /me locks up in deepthink
[2018/11/01 15:32] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): that I linked
[2018/11/01 15:32] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): basically ~
[2018/11/01 15:32] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): according to everything I've read
[2018/11/01 15:32] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): a Target Omega object
[2018/11/01 15:32] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): gets switched to Convex Hull by the server when it's rotating ~ so as to not have odd physics shapes spinning around
[2018/11/01 15:32] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): but for some odd reason
[2018/11/01 15:33] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): upon server reboot ~
[2018/11/01 15:33] Whirly Fizzle: Oh the llTargetOmega repro is filed. Let me find it
[2018/11/01 15:33] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): that Convex Hull is being applied to the entire object
[2018/11/01 15:33] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Not ~ just the object subcomponents
[2018/11/01 15:33] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): it's JIRA 5591
[2018/11/01 15:33] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-5591
[2018/11/01 15:33] Beq Janus: The important thing here is that the viewer is showing the correct physics after reboot, so the object details that are sent out are correct. The remaining test we want to run is to see if a script shows the phsyics shape as prim or CH after the reboot.
[2018/11/01 15:33] Rex Cronon: so that is why targetomega has this weird effect an prims
[2018/11/01 15:33] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): No one's pegged it to server restarts though
[2018/11/01 15:34] Whirly Fizzle: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-2067
[2018/11/01 15:34] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): it's just "something that mysteriously happens"
[2018/11/01 15:34] Rex Cronon: i should say on linked sets
[2018/11/01 15:34] Mazidox Linden: I... This hurts my brain.
[2018/11/01 15:34] Mazidox Linden: I can believe this happens. But... Ow.
[2018/11/01 15:34] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): The problem specifically occurs in large buildings that have a target omega component
[2018/11/01 15:34] Rex Cronon: does this happen even if object is not phisical
[2018/11/01 15:34] Rex Cronon: ?
[2018/11/01 15:34] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): like say a water mill
[2018/11/01 15:35] Whirly Fizzle: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-2147 was imported too
[2018/11/01 15:35] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): it also is specific ( apparently ) to non-analyzed physics
[2018/11/01 15:35] Beq Janus: it will be a great one to nail if this repro can be used to fix it.
[2018/11/01 15:35] Rex Cronon: physical*
[2018/11/01 15:35] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Whirls ~ I can't view either of those
[2018/11/01 15:35] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): do they have the server component in them though?
[2018/11/01 15:35] Whirly Fizzle: Oh damn
[2018/11/01 15:35] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): because that's the hitch point that everyone else has been missing so far
[2018/11/01 15:35] Whirly Fizzle: Maestro reprod it & imported.
[2018/11/01 15:36] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): so much so that this is written off as "not a bug" in some cases.
[2018/11/01 15:36] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): due to the fact that the "convex hullification" of an actual rotating entity with target Omega is actually intentional.
[2018/11/01 15:36] Duckie Dickins: You think that's fun... once I had some no mod items I had bought that changed shape on me after a sim restart...turned out to be a bad router messed up some of the object data when it was saving the sim state.....now that was a fun bug.
[2018/11/01 15:36] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): The problem seems to be it's spread to the entire object.
[2018/11/01 15:37] Mazidox Linden: You know I'm Mazidox "No Promises" Linden, but if you get a bug with a reproduction case filed, we'll see if we can get a couple of minutes of a Dev's time to eyeball the oddness level?
[2018/11/01 15:37] Beq Janus: \o/
[2018/11/01 15:37] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): My best guess-stab-in-the-dark
[2018/11/01 15:38] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): is that upon reboot the server notes the target Omega nature of the sub component and just assumes the entire object is as such ~
[2018/11/01 15:38] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): until a person with edit rights comes along and right clicks it
[2018/11/01 15:38] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): thus ~ "renotifying" the server that "hey ~ no this actually has mutliple components with differing physics "
[2018/11/01 15:39] Beq Janus: Liz I just thought of another test we need to do
[2018/11/01 15:39] Beq Janus: the viewer sees the shapes as prim still after the reboot
[2018/11/01 15:39] Beq Janus: so I've assumed that the object details are sent out correctly
[2018/11/01 15:39] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): This bug is literally a half a decade old though ~ it's hardly urgent. =p
[2018/11/01 15:39] Beq Janus: but the cahcnes are we're pulling it fromcache
[2018/11/01 15:39] Whirly Fizzle: Are you sure it needs to be someone with edit rights that right clicks it? With the repro mesh I've seen, anyone right clicking will fix it until it's rerezzed or region restarts
[2018/11/01 15:39] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Just ~ I've been chasing it for nearly all that time
[2018/11/01 15:39] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): and I'd be @#(% ecstatic if it actually was pinned down and fixed.
[2018/11/01 15:40] Beq Janus: so we also need to have one of us clear cache after the restart and see if the viewer still shows the correct physics shape
[2018/11/01 15:40] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): It needs to be someone with edit rights
[2018/11/01 15:40] Whirly Fizzle: Odd. I have repro mesh that will fix when anyone right clicks.
[2018/11/01 15:40] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Here's Alina without edit rights
[2018/11/01 15:40] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): with physics view up
[2018/11/01 15:40] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): https://gyazo.com/04edce846a23268c88d28317e8f7ffcb
[2018/11/01 15:40] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): failing to walk into a building she's clicked on
[2018/11/01 15:41] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): it's anyone with edit rights ~ I'm guessing you've got a lot of people with edit rights
[2018/11/01 15:41] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): if our researching into "wait why is this texture resetting" but
[2018/11/01 15:41] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): was any reminder of that ~
[2018/11/01 15:41] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): /me giggles
[2018/11/01 15:41] Whirly Fizzle: Hahaha
[2018/11/01 15:42] Whirly Fizzle: Alexa had Cory's repro shacks rezzed on Testy. If I right clicked them it fixed it. I def don't have edit rights over a Lindens objects
[2018/11/01 15:42] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): hmm ~ odd
[2018/11/01 15:43] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I just explicitly tested that with Alina without edit rights though
[2018/11/01 15:43] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): and I remember this bug
[2018/11/01 15:43] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): almost 4 + years ago
[2018/11/01 15:43] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): exhibiting the exact same behavior
[2018/11/01 15:43] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): not having edit rights wasn't enough to "reset" it
[2018/11/01 15:43] Whirly Fizzle: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-100536 mesntions resgion restart breaks the affected objects btw
[2018/11/01 15:43] Whirly Fizzle: *mentions
[2018/11/01 15:45] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): did someone revoke my JIRA permissions or something?
[2018/11/01 15:45] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I can't see any of these...
[2018/11/01 15:45] Duckie Dickins: Whirly's special
[2018/11/01 15:45] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I used to be special too
[2018/11/01 15:45] Beq Janus: I think you must have dropped off of the triagers list
[2018/11/01 15:45] Whirly Fizzle: Cory's JIRA is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-7504
[2018/11/01 15:45] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): =(
[2018/11/01 15:45] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): yeah ~ I used to be on the Triagers list
[2018/11/01 15:45] Beq Janus: when they did the upgrade
[2018/11/01 15:45] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): ohhhhhhhh
[2018/11/01 15:45] Whirly Fizzle: Yeah the update broke some JIRA perms
[2018/11/01 15:46] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Ahh~
[2018/11/01 15:46] NOPE (margithe): i don't like new jira :( it's messy
[2018/11/01 15:46] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): /me nods nods
[2018/11/01 15:46] Mazidox Linden: I don't know anything about Jira permissions, I'm just a Jira consumer with the Linden role.
[2018/11/01 15:46] Duckie Dickins: I did see whirly posted an update to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-41503 and I was envious about her getting to do QA on it.
[2018/11/01 15:46] Whirly Fizzle: Awww. You missed that SBUG!
[2018/11/01 15:46] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Anyhow ! ~
[2018/11/01 15:47] Whirly Fizzle: Mazi can give you the bear here though :P
[2018/11/01 15:47] Mazidox Linden: I guess I can make an exception for regular attendees who happened to miss that week.
[2018/11/01 15:47] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I think I've finally pinned it down as to what the chain of causation is ~ I just haven't a clue what's going on behind the curtain
[2018/11/01 15:47] Duckie Dickins: well he did show it to me like last year as it was as far as it had gotten....
[2018/11/01 15:48] Beq Janus: Liz, I think it would be good to do that clear cache test too. see if we can get the server to refresh a broken priminfo message
[2018/11/01 15:48] Beq Janus: do we still have it b0rked in babbage?
[2018/11/01 15:48] Mazidox Linden: Free to copy, this meeting only :)
[2018/11/01 15:48] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): it's presently unborked ~ until we restart the sim again
[2018/11/01 15:49] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): though with this many linked JIRA's to it
[2018/11/01 15:49] Beq Janus: not copyable at the moment
[2018/11/01 15:49] Duckie Dickins: I hope to see it at bear island next year. :P
[2018/11/01 15:49] Rex Cronon: mazidox. u should give your bear aways piece by piece. today one screw,. tomorrow another... until people get the whole bear can;)
[2018/11/01 15:49] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I might actually upload my test mesh and do a most thorough job on the test / repro
[2018/11/01 15:49] Duckie Dickins: jumbo sized....and animesh. :P
[2018/11/01 15:49] Mazidox Linden: It should actually be copyable.
[2018/11/01 15:49] MazidoxLindenBear: shouts: Changelog:
[2018/11/01 15:49] Beq Janus: anyone managed to copy?
[2018/11/01 15:49] Mazidox Linden: Oh dear
[2018/11/01 15:49] Whirly Fizzle: I can't copy oddly
[2018/11/01 15:50] Beq Janus: prolly a no copy script in it or something?
[2018/11/01 15:50] Whirly Fizzle: Its no transfer lol
[2018/11/01 15:50] Beq Janus: hehe
[2018/11/01 15:50] Mazidox Linden: There we go.
[2018/11/01 15:50] Beq Janus: yay
[2018/11/01 15:50] Whirly Fizzle: Fixed
[2018/11/01 15:50] Beq Janus: thank you
[2018/11/01 15:51] Beq Janus: free to can-ibalise it now
[2018/11/01 15:51] Rex Cronon: i wonder ia any linden has made their bear out of lego pieces:)
[2018/11/01 15:51] Duckie Dickins: I grabbed a copy of every bear at bear island this past year.
[2018/11/01 15:51] Mazidox Linden: Pretty sure it's no-mod, so good luck with that Beq
[2018/11/01 15:51] Duckie Dickins: took about 40 minutes.
[2018/11/01 15:52] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): /me has a spraycanbear now
[2018/11/01 15:52] NOPE (margithe): ...is that a toilet unclogger on his head?
[2018/11/01 15:52] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): whispers: it's a spray nozzel ! ~
[2018/11/01 15:52] Duckie Dickins: heh
[2018/11/01 15:52] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): because it's a aerosol can ! bear
[2018/11/01 15:52] Rex Cronon: haha
[2018/11/01 15:52] Whirly Fizzle: Bear needs Shrek ears too
[2018/11/01 15:54] Beq Janus: is there a new EEP server rolling out to aditi?
[2018/11/01 15:54] NOPE (margithe): https://www.lowes.com/projects/images/how-tos/Plumbing/how-to-unclog-a-toilet-inline-plunger.jpg
[2018/11/01 15:54] NOPE (margithe): definitely a plunger hat.
[2018/11/01 15:54] Mazidox Linden: :(
[2018/11/01 15:54] Duckie Dickins: oh yeah..how do I buy an eep parcel. I thought the eep viewer would do it....someone said the EAM viewer would do it as well but that didn't work either.
[2018/11/01 15:54] Whirly Fizzle: EEO viewer lets you buy land on Aditi
[2018/11/01 15:54] Whirly Fizzle: *EEP
[2018/11/01 15:55] Duckie Dickins: I'm on it and it didn't work
[2018/11/01 15:55] Whirly Fizzle: Did you try to buy on EEPTesting?
[2018/11/01 15:55] Mazidox Linden: I said if we do EEP phase 2 we should call it EPP for fun :)
[2018/11/01 15:55] Duckie Dickins: maybe my account is bugged because it still thinks I own 77k sq meters of land.
[2018/11/01 15:55] Duckie Dickins: yeah I tried on eeptesting.
[2018/11/01 15:55] Whirly Fizzle: huh
[2018/11/01 15:55] Rex Cronon: why do u need a special viewer to buy land here?
[2018/11/01 15:55] Mazidox Linden: Duckie, I'll try and remember to make a sticky note about that next time I find my sticknotes.
[2018/11/01 15:55] NOPE (margithe): Rex, get down with the programme
[2018/11/01 15:55] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): i don't think so
[2018/11/01 15:55] Mazidox Linden: Rex, because this isn't agni :P
[2018/11/01 15:56] Whirly Fizzle: Because there was a bug in the viewer with buying land on Aditi & that bug is fixed in EEP (& EAM?)
[2018/11/01 15:56] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): you get stuck because the interface wouldn't allow you ?
[2018/11/01 15:56] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): to buy it?
[2018/11/01 15:56] Rex Cronon: well things here should work just like on the main
[2018/11/01 15:56] Duckie Dickins: I got all of the checkmarks but I didn't get any land. https://i.imgur.com/moRNQmR.png
[2018/11/01 15:56] Mazidox Linden: If I had a nickle for every time someone said that Rex I could retire.
[2018/11/01 15:56] Mazidox Linden: (I'd still do this job, but I'd do it *while retired*)
[2018/11/01 15:57] Beq Janus: the point is that things here don;t work like on agni
[2018/11/01 15:57] Beq Janus: otherewise we'd not need this place
[2018/11/01 15:57] Rex Cronon: is not really good 4 testing is things here r diffrent
[2018/11/01 15:57] Rex Cronon: different*
[2018/11/01 15:57] Beq Janus: Rex, it is different on purpose
[2018/11/01 15:57] NOPE (margithe): we are testing the servers mostly, not the stuff
[2018/11/01 15:57] Beq Janus: EEP is new
[2018/11/01 15:57] Duckie Dickins: I don't actually carry that much tier anymore.. I wonder if that's the problem.
[2018/11/01 15:58] Mazidox Linden: Test :allthethings: :)
[2018/11/01 15:58] Beq Janus: you don't want people not using the EEP viewer buying up land that is llimited and blocking valid eep testing
[2018/11/01 15:58] Rex Cronon: test environment should be just like public release
[2018/11/01 15:58] Whirly Fizzle: EEP isn't in "public" release yet though.
[2018/11/01 15:58] NOPE (margithe): we were going to test that too have have Duckie re-sell it to me with regular viewer :P but didn't get that far
[2018/11/01 15:58] Beq Janus: nope not on the EEP regions Rex that's just ludicrous, it is too far pre-release
[2018/11/01 15:59] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Btw ~ Beq ~ we're alone in NB
[2018/11/01 15:59] Beq Janus: there are other regoins that are specifically running the same server version as agni
[2018/11/01 15:59] Beq Janus: go there if you need production like behaviour
[2018/11/01 16:00] Beq Janus: oh OK I'll restart the region
[2018/11/01 16:00] Whirly Fizzle: If you need an easier region to test on, plonk your mesh on Testy sandbox & I can restart that when you like
[2018/11/01 16:00] Rex Cronon: well . time si up already
[2018/11/01 16:00] Mazidox Linden: Wow, where did the time go.
[2018/11/01 16:00] Mazidox Linden: Any last questions?
[2018/11/01 16:00] Rex Cronon: is up*
[2018/11/01 16:01] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I ate it all ~ with my prim target omega weirdnesses
[2018/11/01 16:01] Mazidox Linden: Thanks for coming out everyone!
[2018/11/01 16:01] Whirly Fizzle: Thanks Mazi & Caleb
[2018/11/01 16:01] Beq Janus: thanks
[2018/11/01 16:01] Rex Cronon: tc mazidox
[2018/11/01 16:01] Duckie Dickins: I'm still disturbed by the deformed avatars.....halloween is over and I can see Whirly's ribcage.
[2018/11/01 16:01] Mazidox Linden: I'm gonna go recharge my canister to spray more bugs.
[2018/11/01 16:01] Rex Cronon: tc everybody
[2018/11/01 16:01] Beq Janus: whirly that might be a good plan.
[2018/11/01 16:01] Beq Janus: people in babbage are going to get annoyed with me soon
[2018/11/01 16:01] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): Ohhhhhh.......
[2018/11/01 16:01] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): IS THAT WHAT IT IS
[2018/11/01 16:02] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): It's Bug spray?
[2018/11/01 16:02] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I suddenly
[2018/11/01 16:02] Whirly Fizzle: lol
[2018/11/01 16:02] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): suddenly just got that
[2018/11/01 16:02] Duckie Dickins: :D
[2018/11/01 16:02] Mazidox Linden: Mazidox is a pesticide, yes :)
[2018/11/01 16:02] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): even though it's written on the label
[2018/11/01 16:02] Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I never read it
[2018/11/01 16:02] Beq Janus: giggles
[2018/11/01 16:02] Mazidox Linden: My coworkers had the best reaction when they found out what my name was gonna be, or so I'm told.
[2018/11/01 16:02] Duckie Dickins: you're gonna make Mazi sulk
[2018/11/01 16:02] Beq Janus: bugs in a can, spray them on any surface
[2018/11/01 16:02] Rex Cronon: i first thought that his name was maxidox:)
[2018/11/01 16:03] Mazidox Linden: Bye!
[2018/11/01 16:03] NOPE (margithe): BYE
[2018/11/01 16:03] Rex Cronon: tc
[2018/11/01 16:03] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): byeee!