Bug triage/2008-02-27/Transcript

Transcript of Bridie Linden's office hours:
[14:59]	Daedalus Young: 	hi Bridie
[14:59]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I see
[14:59]	Jason Swain: 	Hello Bridie
[14:59]	Squirrel Wood: 	Vektor knows about it
[14:59]	Squirrel Wood: 	so I think it'll be fixed within 24
[14:59]	Aric Linden: 	hi squirrel and jason
[15:00]	Squirrel Wood: 	Hello ^^
[15:00]	Squirrel Wood pokes Jason 	Squirrel Wood pokes Jason
[15:00]	Torley Linden: 	Friendly greetings!
[15:00]	Bridie Linden: 	Hello Daed, Jason, everyone!
[15:00]	Daedalus Young: 	hi Torley
[15:00]	Jason Swain: 	Hello Torlet
[15:00]	Aric Linden: 	torley
[15:00]	Torley Linden: 	Nice to see you all here already.
[15:00]	Aric Linden: 	how is you?
[15:00]	WarKirby Magojiro waves 	WarKirby Magojiro waves
[15:00]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:00]	Torley Linden: 	Me iz good thanx Aric, and you?
[15:00]	Bridie Linden: 	Squirrel what are we fixing in 24 hrs?
[15:00]	Bridie Linden: 	:)
[15:01]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	A bug with llKey2Name in mono, it seems
[15:01]	Bridie Linden: 	ah
[15:01]	Jason Swain thinks it sounded like all the JIRA :P ^^ 	Jason Swain thinks it sounded like all the JIRA :P ^^
[15:01]	Squirrel Wood: 	System.ArgumentException: Invalid sequence in conversion input Parameter name: string at (wrapper managed-to-native) LindenLab.SecondLife.Library:llKey2Name (LindenLab.SecondLife.Key) at LSL_a0aa88e8_2e98_6f44_ade3_6bcf4499437a.MyChannel () [0x00000] at LSL_a0aa88e8_2e98_6f44_ade3_6bcf4499437a.defaultstate_entry () [0x00000] at LSL_a0aa88e8_2e98_6f44_ade3_6bcf4499437adefaultstate_entryFrame.ResumeVoid () [0x00000] at LindenLab.SecondLife.UThread.UThread.Run () [0x00000] at LindenLab.SecondLife.Script.Run (ScriptEvent evt) [0x00000]
[15:01]	Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... 	Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[15:01]	Bridie Linden: 	yikes
 	[15:01]  Connected 	[15:01]  Connected
[15:01]	WarKirby Magojiro will relog into the RC viewer. Is currently in windlight 	WarKirby Magojiro will relog into the RC viewer. Is currently in windlight
[15:01]	Squirrel Wood: 	Mono error messages tend to be long :p
[15:01]	Bridie Linden: 	Today's agenda...
[15:01]	Bridie Linden: 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:02]	Bridie Linden: 	Noted, Squirrel!
[15:02]	Squirrel Wood pokes Jason again :p 	Squirrel Wood pokes Jason again :p
[15:02]	Torley Linden: 	*relogs in RC4* BRB!
[15:02]	Bridie Linden: 	I'll be sure to mention that to Periapse Linden
[15:02]	Jason Swain: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1467
[15:02]	Bridie Linden: 	we'll wait for the reloggers...
[15:03]	Becky Pippen: 	SVC-1467 reproduces for me too
[15:03]	Bridie Linden: 	jason, you want to discuss that today? can we wait til the end?
[15:03]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	forgot I still have to download it. Will work with windlight for now
[15:03]	Jason Swain: 	ok
[15:03]	Bridie Linden: 	Ty
[15:03]	Bridie Linden: 	Remind me if I forget, but I'll try to save time
[15:03]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Do we have an agenda for today ?
[15:03]	Squirrel Wood: 	repros every single time
[15:03]	Squirrel Wood: 	yes
[15:03]	Bridie Linden: 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:03]	Squirrel Wood: 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:04]	Bridie Linden waits on Torley... 	Bridie Linden waits on Torley...
[15:04]	Jason Swain: 	missed an s there squirrel :P
[15:04]	Squirrel Wood: 	no. works with http as well
[15:04]	Bridie Linden: 	Well, let's get started...
[15:04]	Bridie Linden: 	First up, VWR-4963[c] - Votes: 5 - Group archive freezes viewer
[15:05]	Bridie Linden: 	Can others repro this one?
[15:05]	WarKirby Magojiro checks 	WarKirby Magojiro checks
[15:05]	Squirrel Wood: 	erm...
[15:05]	Squirrel Wood: 	do they use notices as data storage that they have so many?
[15:06]	Squirrel Wood: 	I'd go crazy if I had notices pop up every minute or two
[15:06]	Daedalus Young: 	some groups are very spammy with notices
[15:06]	Daedalus Young: 	Art & Artist Network sends out a lot too
[15:06]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	That group is entirely about notices
[15:06]	Aric Linden: 	I'm not sure exactly how to avoid this problem in the code
[15:06]	Squirrel Wood: 	they should learn to use notecards? and notecard givers? ^^
[15:06]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	gaaaah
[15:06]	Bridie Linden: 	Fashion Consolidated sends a lot of notices
[15:07]	Aric Linden looks at Bridie 	Aric Linden looks at Bridie
[15:07]	Bridie Linden: 	It took a bit for the archive to populate but I didn't notice any freezes on my Mac...
[15:07]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	ok, confirmed
[15:07]	Squirrel Wood: 	avoid... mayhaps have the client precache notices?
[15:07]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	mostly
[15:07]	Bridie Linden: 	(the group in the repro, Aric)
[15:07]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	IT doesn't freeze, but rather
[15:07]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	just slows down
[15:07]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	a LOT
[15:07]	Torley Linden: 	*tries this too*
[15:07]	Squirrel Wood: 	on slow connections I would imagine it freezes while it waits
[15:07]	Torley Linden: 	Whoa, big group.
[15:07]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	It seems to be to do with the quantity of notices that are there
[15:07]	Aric Linden: 	we can't hold all that data in cache
[15:07]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	yes, very big
[15:07]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:08]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Can't you just cache the top few items of the list, perhaps?
[15:08]	Bridie Linden would guess this isn't unique to 1.19.0... 	Bridie Linden would guess this isn't unique to 1.19.0...
[15:08]	Aric Linden: 	there might be a way to move it to a webservice
[15:08]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	and download new items as needed when the user scrolls
[15:08]	Squirrel Wood: 	You limit the cache on the user pcs to 1.5gbyte.. plenty of room for a bunch of notices...
[15:08]	Bridie Linden: 	Hi Taryn, just on our first issue...
[15:08]	Torley Linden: 	HOLY CRAP what a lot of notices! Yeah, I got the slowdown but not freeze...
[15:08]	Taryn London: 	Hello all :)
[15:09]	Torley Linden: 	I've seen this problem before 1.19 too.
[15:09]	Torley Linden: 	Hey Taryn!
[15:09]	Squirrel Wood: 	Hello ^^
[15:09]	Taryn London: 	Hi Torley :)
[15:09]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	That group is entirely for members to recieve notices, mainly
[15:09]	Bridie Linden: 	Aric, would you like to have someone in QA look @ previous viewers?
[15:10]	Bridie Linden looks @ Aric 	Bridie Linden looks @ Aric
[15:10]	Aric Linden: 	sure
[15:10]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	As the charter mentions, it's designed to consolidate news for many groups, into one. to save group space
[15:10]	Aric Linden: 	but I won't make it a high priority
[15:10]	Aric Linden was frozen for a sec 	Aric Linden was frozen for a sec
[15:10]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:10]	Squirrel Wood: 	What about having notices expire after a certain time?
[15:10]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	they do, 30 days
[15:10]	Daedalus Young: 	they do, don't they?
[15:10]	Bridie Linden: 	If others want to add comments, pls do
[15:11]	Bridie Linden: 	Ok, next up
[15:11]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	this group just clearly sends hundreds in that time
[15:11]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-4670[c] - Votes: 1 - Contacts List
[15:11]	Torley Linden: 	It could be a limit of having them expire after a certain time OR a #, depending on which limit's reached first. Anyway...
[15:11]	Squirrel Wood: 	I guess notes were never meant to be used that way...
[15:11]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	A limited number would kill that group
[15:11]	Bridie Linden: 	We talked about 4670 last week...
[15:11]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	and you'd have 5000 angry people complaining
[15:12]	Bridie Linden: 	Bambers Linden had confirmed that current behavior was not new, but the issue was reopened...
[15:12]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	confirmed in windlight too
[15:12]	Torley Linden: 	Some other UI elements stay opaque too, like the tabs themselves.
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood: 	hmm
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood: 	"loses focus" to the chat line
[15:13]	Torley Linden: 	I actually don't remember the names and other stuff going semi-transparent before.
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood: 	so of course it does not go transparent
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood: 	that's how I read this issue
[15:13]	Daedalus Young: 	the names bit never went transparent afaik, just the whole block around it
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood: 	only when the entire window loses focus it goes transparent
[15:14]	Torley Linden: 	I remember an earlier Rx discussion about this, that part of the reason why everything doesn't go transparent is because with a single click, you can still regain focus and use it ? as to not be confused with actual grayed-out elements.
[15:14]	Daedalus Young: 	last comment mentions official viewer doe turn transparent, which is what I'm on now
[15:14]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	and does it?
[15:14]	Bridie Linden: 	??
[15:14]	Daedalus Young: 	and the names stay opaque while the surrounding changes to transparent
[15:14]	Squirrel Wood: 	window turns transparent, lists stay opaque
[15:14]	Squirrel Wood: 	to remain readable
[15:14]	Torley Linden: 	I suspect unless this can be substantiated, this may be mistaken memory on the part of the reporter.
[15:15]	Bridie Linden: 	Anyone want to attach a screen shot to the issue and re-resolve?
[15:15]	Daedalus Young: 	just like Chat History turns transparent, but chat bar on it remains opaque
[15:15]	Aric Linden agrees with torley 	Aric Linden agrees with torley
[15:15]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I think it would be nice if it turned transparent, though,
[15:15]	Daedalus Young: 	I can do screenshot with 1.18.5 and RC next to eachother
[15:15]	Bridie Linden: 	That's be OSSM Daed!
[15:15]	Squirrel Wood: 	if you don't want to see it, ctrl-t or close it? ^^
[15:16]	Torley Linden: 	Yes Squirrel.
[15:16]	Bridie Linden lols 	Bridie Linden lols
[15:16]	Bridie Linden: 	Next up...
[15:16]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5145[c] - Votes: 0 - Groups Missing (Say's you are in 0) Even if you join another in RC3
[15:16]	Daedalus Young: 	ok will do
[15:16]	Taryn London nods... seen that one. 	Taryn London nods... seen that one.
[15:16]	Taryn London: 	jsut commented.
[15:16]	Bridie Linden: 	Daed gets a gold star today!
[15:17]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	no problems with that here for me
[15:17]	Daedalus Young: 	w00t! :D
[15:17]	Bridie Linden: 	no Meghan today?
[15:17]	Torley Linden: 	Meghan earlier emailed me to say she couldn't make it.
[15:17]	Daedalus Young: 	oh, this looks like the other issue about groups missing
[15:17]	Taryn London: 	She's not online :(
[15:18]	Bridie Linden: 	"This isnt constant and it shows sometimes. "
[15:18]	Jason Swain: 	I think I might also have that bug... I am in 25 groups but only 24 are listed in the groups (by communicate)
[15:18]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	the tricky kind of issue : (
[15:18]	Torley Linden: 	I wonder if when it shows groups as "0", the Friends list also shows "(waiting)"?
[15:18]	Daedalus Young: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2633
[15:18]	Torley Linden: 	Jason, there's another bug out there I recall where less groups are shown than you're actually in.
[15:18]	Squirrel Wood: 	could it be that SL was still fetching data after a cache clear?
[15:18]	Bridie Linden: 	Not sure Torley
[15:19]	Torley Linden: 	Thanks Daed, that's the one!
[15:19]	Torley Linden: 	Rock on Daed. :)
[15:19]	Harleen Gretzky: 	No, shows no groups at all, no ?s
[15:19]	Daedalus Young: 	afaik, list does not show (waiting) and even mentions you are in 0 groups exactly
[15:19]	Jason Swain: 	Ahh ok that would be it, thks Torley ^^
[15:19]	Taryn London: 	Torley, for me it wasn't. it was just 0 groups.
[15:19]	Taryn London: 	I have a screenshot, i'll post it, one sec
[15:19]	Aric Linden: 	I've seen this issue, but relog always fixes
[15:19]	Daedalus Young: 	see my screenshot on 2633
[15:19]	Torley Linden: 	Hmmm Daed that VWR-2633 is fixed internally, but I'll followup and have a look...
[15:20]	Daedalus Young: 	I hadn't seen it anymore, but maybe it's back with RC
[15:20]	Taryn London: 	Yup, relog fixed it for me.
[15:20]	Bridie Linden: 	Want to link up the issues Torley?
[15:20]	Aric Linden smiles at Taryn 	Aric Linden smiles at Taryn
[15:20]	Torley Linden: 	Sure Bridie, sec.
[15:20]	Bridie Linden: 	Shall we leave 5145 open then?
[15:20]	Bridie Linden: 	No clear repro...
[15:20]	Bridie Linden: 	add a comment that relogging fixes it?
[15:21]	Taryn London: 	http://flickr.com/photos/tarynlondon/2297233158/ Posted. :P
[15:21]	Torley Linden: 	Yes, I'll leave a comment. Thanks Taryn.
[15:21]	Taryn London: 	np :)
[15:21]	Bridie Linden: 	Great, thx
[15:22]	Bridie Linden: 	Next, one from Gigs...
[15:22]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5055[c] - Votes: 0 - Land search throttle makes it impossible to get through spam.
[15:22]	Taryn London: 	Also: same chopped up avatar tag in pic issue as I've been seeing on WL, in that pic.
[15:22]	Squirrel Wood: 	so true...
[15:22]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	gah
[15:22]	Squirrel Wood: 	alternate solution: checkbox [exclude 1L offers]
[15:22]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	stupid multigadget >.<
[15:22]	Multi Gadget v1.52.0 by Timeless Prototype 	Multi Gadget v1.52.0 by Timeless Prototype
[15:22]	Torley Linden: 	I know there was a recent bug where estate parcels were showing in the Mainland filter.
[15:22]	Bridie Linden: 	Kind of a feature request for min price..
[15:22]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	apologies for my MG bloking the urler
[15:23]	Torley Linden: 	It's important to try to repro that first...
[15:23]	Aric Linden: 	in a backhanded way
[15:23]	Torley Linden: 	New Search doesn't do Land Sales yet, but I'd hope it would in the future.
[15:23]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	how long is the throttle?
[15:23]	Squirrel Wood: 	repro... open search => land sales => search
[15:23]	Bridie Linden: 	But it's true that all the 1L$ show up first...
[15:24]	Bridie Linden: 	Shall we pass along to Rx or the Search team?
[15:24]	Daedalus Young: 	yes, I only got L$1 results now while scanning through, until hitting the search limit
[15:24]	Squirrel Wood: 	tryin
[15:24]	Aric Linden: 	Search
[15:24]	Squirrel Wood: 	reverting sort order shows only a few auction parcels at the end and 1L ones
[15:24]	Bridie Linden: 	Will do!
[15:24]	Aric Linden: 	I'd let stephany filter
[15:25]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	That really needs sorted
[15:25]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	a minimum price field would be good
[15:25]	Bridie Linden: 	Moving smartly along...
[15:25]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-4992[c] - Votes: 0 - No button to stop quicktime stream in 1.19 UI
[15:25]	Aric Linden nods at WarKirby 	Aric Linden nods at WarKirby
[15:25]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	though if you set to mainland only
[15:25]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	things improve drastically
[15:25]	Squirrel Wood: 	limit the price people can put in... to something like 0.5L / sqm or something
[15:25]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	the 1l thing is used to grab attention for island parcels
[15:26]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	they can't do it on the mainland though, or a landbot would just grab their land for 1l
[15:26]	Torley Linden: 	I remember Steve mentioning something related to VWR-4992, there definitely was a design discussion about it internally...
[15:26]	Squirrel Wood: 	landbots grab most land anyway
[15:26]	Bridie Linden: 	WarKirby, Squirrel, it'd be great if you added those comments
[15:26]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I'll add a comment along those lines
[15:26]	Torley Linden: 	the reasoning being if someone kept wanting to stop media playback, they'd disable it in the Preferences. And putting it on pause is useful for buffering on slower connections.
[15:26]	Bridie Linden: 	What'd Steve say Torley?
[15:26]	Aric Linden: 	there was a lot of back and forth about this during the parcel media testing
[15:27]	Bridie Linden: 	Oh?
[15:27]	Aric Linden nods 	Aric Linden nods
[15:27]	Torley Linden: 	Part of the problem was the paradigm between the music URL and media URL... and resuming playback during live streams (as opposed to static files stored on a server).
[15:27]	Aric Linden: 	but sadlly i don't remember the outcome
[15:27]	Aric Linden apologizes 	Aric Linden apologizes
[15:27]	Torley Linden: 	I'd encourage that if this is a contentious issue, more Residents should vote for it.
[15:27]	Squirrel Wood: 	a stop button is definitely a must methinks.
[15:28]	Torley Linden: 	And provide use cases for why it's handy.
[15:28]	Bridie Linden: 	Well, how 'bout I import and we can revisit internally....
[15:28]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	*votes&
[15:28]	Torley Linden: 	=o)
[15:28]	Aric Linden: 	I think it might revolve around problems with the mozilla browser
[15:28]	Squirrel Wood: 	then again.. I have banned quicktime from my computer :p
[15:28]	Torley Linden: 	Yes, sounds good to me.
[15:28]	Aric Linden: 	that mozilla doesn't support this easily
[15:28]	Bridie Linden: 	Yes to Torley's suggestions too!
[15:28]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I stronly think that functionality is needed
[15:28]	Jason Swain: 	*voted*
[15:29]	Bridie Linden: 	Thx all
[15:29]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	It seemed to work fine before, though
[15:29]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	what has changed?
[15:29]	Aric Linden: 	wasn't mozilla before
[15:29]	Bridie Linden: 	Next,
[15:29]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-4985[c] - Votes: 0 - xyText textures display improperly in 1.19.0
[15:29]	Aric Linden: 	iirc there's a callback issue with the implementation
[15:30]	Daedalus Young awaits bmp to load 	Daedalus Young awaits bmp to load
[15:30]	Squirrel Wood: 	did you say BMP? Erk!
[15:30]	Torley Linden: 	I wish we didn't accept BMPs and limited the uploads to PNGs and JPGs... *makes a note*
[15:30]	Daedalus Young: 	unfortunately yes
[15:30]	Torley Linden: 	I'll followup with Rob about that.
[15:30]	Bridie Linden sighs 	Bridie Linden sighs
[15:30]	Daedalus Young: 	I'll convert to jpeg when they're in though
[15:30]	Squirrel Wood: 	People will just rename their files to "convert" them Torley
[15:31]	Torley Linden: 	Squirrel, true too. Sad that there's already a subtitle when filing an issue asking that BMPs not be used.
[15:31]	Bridie Linden sips her chai while BMP loads... 	Bridie Linden sips her chai while BMP loads...
[15:31]	Daedalus Young: 	I think some people just don't know how to convert bmp screenshots to jpeg
[15:31]	Torley Linden: 	Sounds like a good topic for a tutorial.
[15:31]	Taryn London goes to get dinner out of the oven while bmp loads :) 	Taryn London goes to get dinner out of the oven while bmp loads :)
[15:31]	Torley Linden: 	;)
[15:31]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I made an issue about that
[15:31]	Daedalus Young: 	it does, Torley
[15:32]	Torley Linden: 	*makes a note*
[15:32]	Squirrel Wood: 	proper file conversion using IrfanView? ^^
[15:32]	Daedalus Young: 	for example
[15:32]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-404
[15:32]	Squirrel Wood: 	(it will warn you if the extension is wrong)
[15:32]	Torley Linden: 	Aye...
[15:32]	Daedalus Young: 	web-404: Not Found? :P
[15:32]	Squirrel Wood: 	lol
[15:32]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	: )
[15:32]	Jason Swain: 	Maybe SL needs to save screenshots to JPG for JIRA uploads to make the JIRA easier to access to all levels of technical knowledge users
[15:33]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I linked the issue about adding image type selection, too
[15:33]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	the main reason everyone uploads bmp is because it's the only format SL saves in
[15:33]	Daedalus Young: 	or at least PNG, to keep them lossless
[15:33]	Torley Linden: 	Well Jason, what you can also do is... click "Attach screenshot" on a JIRA issue and paste in your clipboard, and that converts it. But I agree... didn't Gigs have an upcoming patch to save snapshots in other formats?
[15:33]	Torley Linden: 	I remember this very clearly.
[15:33]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	if that patch could be implemented, I reckon we'd see a lot less bmps
[15:33]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	It's finished, I think
[15:33]	Torley Linden: 	Ahhhh.
[15:33]	Torley Linden: 	So much has happened!
[15:33]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I actually made an issue about THAT, too
[15:33]	Torley Linden: 	Thanks WarKirby.
[15:33]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	patches that aren't applied yet
[15:34]	Jason Swain didn't know about that Torley, "thanks" 	Jason Swain didn't know about that Torley, "thanks"
[15:34]	Torley Linden: 	=)
[15:34]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	here's the image format one: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2491
[15:34]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Gigs made another patch to control terraform strength, too
[15:34]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	we're still waiting on that being put in the client >.>
[15:34]	Torley Linden: 	Both of these look ready for implementation, they cleared Rx's queue.
[15:34]	Torley Linden: 	They're assigned to internal triage right now.
[15:35]	Bridie Linden: 	the bmps have WL in the name...
[15:35]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	the terraform one too ?
[15:35]	Squirrel Wood: 	these screenshots are absolutely.... not getting the point across?
[15:35]	Aric Linden: 	and they'll be looked at internally tomorrow
[15:35]	Torley Linden: 	You know, hmmm from the date, I wonder if this bug was already fixed.
[15:35]	Torley Linden: 	There were earlier WindLight texturing bugs, including a planar mapping one.
[15:35]	Squirrel Wood: 	displaying "36"
[15:35]	Squirrel Wood: 	Is there even a 36 there?
[15:36]	Bridie Linden: 	that's the bug Squirrel!
[15:36]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2331 The terraforming issue
[15:36]	Bridie Linden: 	Torley do you want to try this one later?
[15:36]	Torley Linden: 	Yes Bridie, I'll followup on it.
[15:36]	Bridie Linden: 	on WL?
[15:36]	Bridie Linden: 	ty
[15:36]	Daedalus Young: 	ahh, jpeg version added
[15:36]	Bridie Linden: 	If a 6 were a 9....
[15:37]	Bridie Linden: 	Next up...
[15:37]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-4694[c] - Votes: 0 - Popup buttons do not come and like when I get an IM or the stand up on certain items that normally give out a stand up botton.
[15:37]	Aric Linden: 	Steps would be really nice for this one
[15:37]	Torley Linden: 	Yeah, I'm inclined to ask for more clarification, Needs More Info.
[15:37]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	o.0
[15:37]	Bridie Linden: 	I was a bit confused too
[15:37]	Squirrel Wood: 	I guess that's the no blinking issue ?
[15:37]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	That title is a abit of a mouthful
[15:37]	Bridie Linden: 	I'll ask for more info
[15:38]	Torley Linden: 	Thanks!
[15:38]	Taryn London: 	It is :)
[15:38]	Squirrel Wood: 	as in, button does not blink to notify
[15:38]	Squirrel Wood: 	of new IMs
[15:38]	Bridie Linden: 	?
[15:38]	Bridie Linden: 	maybe?
[15:38]	Daedalus Young: 	should it blink?
[15:38]	Taryn London: 	the tabs don't flash as noticably as before, I saw that much
[15:38]	Aric Linden: 	yes
[15:39]	Taryn London: 	but they are still flashing
[15:39]	Daedalus Young: 	oh, I see
[15:39]	Aric Linden: 	it's more subtle now in dazzle
[15:39]	Taryn London: 	but the button never flashed...
[15:39]	Aric Linden: 	but they still do
[15:39]	Torley Linden: 	"no longer blink", https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4575
[15:39]	Squirrel Wood: 	hmm
[15:39]	Daedalus Young: 	but the buttons still appear fine, which this issue says they don't
[15:39]	Torley Linden: 	We're still open to having a "happier medium" for that which isn't annoying but not so subtle that it gets missed.
[15:39]	Squirrel Wood: 	or could it be the thing where stand up / release keys were moved to the left side and appeared in different positions ?
[15:39]	Bridie Linden: 	so is this mouthful a dupe?
[15:40]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	this one is annoying
[15:40]	Aric Linden: 	I'd ask
[15:40]	Torley Linden: 	We should get more details to clarify VWR-4694.
[15:40]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I think the blinking needs to return
[15:40]	Aric Linden: 	for clarification
[15:40]	Bridie Linden: 	ok, I'll follwo up
[15:40]	Squirrel Wood: 	Yes! I want bling on them buttons ^^
[15:40]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	It was actually removed in response to a jira which only got 3 votes, I think
[15:40]	Torley Linden: 	Haha Squirrel, I want chrome rims on my windows!
[15:40]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	whereas the jira to un-fix it has 94 votes
[15:40]	Aric Linden hands squirrel chromed walnuts 	Aric Linden hands squirrel chromed walnuts
[15:40]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	maybe a configuration option ?
[15:40]	Squirrel Wood grins 	Squirrel Wood grins
[15:41]	Bridie Linden: 	ha
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood: 	yes. optional sounds good.
[15:41]	Torley Linden: 	I'm leaning towards finding a better notification balance...
[15:41]	Torley Linden: 	that would generally satisfy the majority.
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood: 	[x] make my shiny chromed buttons do the bling
[15:41]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	well
[15:41]	Bridie Linden: 	+1
[15:41]	Torley Linden: 	The problem is both tried approaches were too extreme.
[15:41]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I'd say 94-3 is defintely a majority
[15:41]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	it's not exactly dividing the community in two
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood: 	nono. That would be 91
[15:41]	Taryn London: 	I like the semi-highlighted state :)
[15:41]	Torley Linden: 	Definitely a lot more votes, but there was other discussion and reported problems we took into consideration.
[15:41]	Torley Linden: 	There's a lot more context that wasn't on that PJIRA.
[15:42]	Taryn London: 	Gives me more excuses to say "sorry, missed your IM" if I don't want to talk to someone :P
[15:42]	Bridie Linden laughs 	Bridie Linden laughs
[15:42]	Squirrel Wood: 	make it optional?
[15:42]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	in any case, I'm always in favor of options
[15:42]	Taryn London: 	For sure :) Options are good.
[15:42]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I just love the sea of settings to play with that SL has
[15:42]	Squirrel Wood: 	[x] little bling [x] more bling [x] ultra bling!
[15:42]	Bridie Linden: 	[X] spinners!
[15:42]	Torley Linden: 	I like options when there isn't a clear win, but SL's Preferences are bewildering to novices, so hiding advanced stuff for newcomers, I appreciate.
[15:43]	Squirrel Wood: 	[x] make me use my sunglasses
[15:43]	Jason Swain wonders if you will get bling warning messages if its too high 	Jason Swain wonders if you will get bling warning messages if its too high
[15:43]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	yes, that too
[15:43]	Torley Linden: 	LOL, BLINGBOX!
[15:43]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	hiding advanced options is good
[15:43]	Taryn London: 	[X] Neon Pink [X] Neon Green
[15:43]	Daedalus Young: 	[x] both
[15:43]	Torley Linden: 	I have both of those checked ALL THE TIME Taryn. :0
[15:43]	Squirrel Wood: 	[x] bling my bling
[15:43]	Bridie Linden: 	[x]light neon pink
[15:43]	Torley Linden: 	Anyhoo, what's up next?
[15:43]	Taryn London: 	hehe figures :P
[15:43]	Bridie Linden: 	Hooray for options!
[15:43]	Bridie Linden: 	Moving right along...
[15:43]	Squirrel Wood: 	pixelated pie menu?
[15:43]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5050[c] - Votes: 0 - Pixelated Pie Menu
[15:43]	Daedalus Young: 	I think I've seen that
[15:44]	Bridie Linden: 	I couldn't be sure...
[15:44]	Daedalus Young: 	thought -something- was different, but couldn't quite see what
[15:44]	Torley Linden: 	I haven't seen this but I wonder if it's a Mac-only issue... ?
[15:44]	Aric Linden: 	can't see it on my mac
[15:44]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	why, so it is
[15:44]	Daedalus Young: 	that's possible
[15:44]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I have it
[15:44]	Taryn London: 	Could be - I've not seen it and I don't have a mac
[15:44]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	windows xp
[15:44]	Squirrel Wood: 	It may just not be filtered but rendered on top ?
[15:44]	Torley Linden: 	Hmmm... odd!
[15:44]	Harleen Gretzky: 	Dazzle only
[15:44]	fr43k Paine: 	Greetings everyone :-)
[15:44]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	The pie menu definitely looks more pixelated than usual
[15:44]	Daedalus Young: 	hi
[15:44]	Aric Linden is on 1.19.0 (3) 	Aric Linden is on 1.19.0 (3)
[15:44]	Torley Linden: 	WarKirby, can you please attach a screenshot?
[15:44]	Taryn London: 	Hi fr43k :)
[15:44]	Torley Linden: 	*is curious*
[15:45]	WarKirby Magojiro is on windlight 	WarKirby Magojiro is on windlight
[15:45]	Daedalus Young: 	I'd have to try this later too
[15:45]	Bridie Linden: 	Screenshot would be great
[15:45]	Daedalus Young: 	can do
[15:45]	Harleen Gretzky: 	I think it is in the rest of the RCs also but most prominet in Dazzle since the inside is also grey
[15:45]	Torley Linden: 	Woohoo.
[15:45]	WarKirby Magojiro will attach one 	WarKirby Magojiro will attach one
[15:46]	Bridie Linden: 	Gold sart for WarKirby!
[15:46]	Bridie Linden: 	:)
[15:46]	Bridie Linden: 	*star even
[15:46]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	He gets a star and I only get a sart?
[15:46]	Daedalus Young: 	lol
[15:46]	Bridie Linden: 	sarts are rarer
[15:46]	Taryn London: 	You can trade sarts for $L, it's better.
[15:46]	Torley Linden: 	Haha, reminds me of the Sart Farm in Tron Bonne, for whoever's played that.
[15:46]	Bridie Linden is happy that the typo wasn't worse.. 	Bridie Linden is happy that the typo wasn't worse..
[15:47]	Bridie Linden: 	Silence.
[15:47]	Bridie Linden hangs head 	Bridie Linden hangs head
[15:47]	Bridie Linden: 	Next up
[15:47]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5113[c] - Votes: 0 - Chat tab does not default to most recent IM
[15:47]	Taryn London grins 	Taryn London grins
[15:47]	Squirrel Wood: 	bug might happen when you have the participant list open... as the chat moves down a bit in that case.. can repro it in the history chat window
[15:48]	Squirrel Wood: 	due to the text being reformatted
[15:48]	Torley Linden: 	Thanks Harleen for checking out a lot of issues! I saw many comments of yours.
[15:48]	Harleen Gretzky: 	yw :)
[15:48]	Bridie Linden: 	Gold star/sart for Harleen, too!
[15:48]	WarKirby Magojiro posted a picture 	WarKirby Magojiro posted a picture
[15:49]	Taryn London cheers :) 	Taryn London cheers :)
[15:49]	Bridie Linden: 	I think there was an internal issue that Josh filed about scrolling text..
[15:49]	Aric Linden thinks it should be sarts for all 	Aric Linden thinks it should be sarts for all
[15:49]	Bridie Linden: 	Indeed!
[15:49]	Bridie Linden gives everyone gold sarts 	Bridie Linden gives everyone gold sarts
[15:49]	Taryn London: 	Woot!
[15:49]	Torley Linden: 	Hahah. And thus a legend was born...
[15:50]	Squirrel Wood demands golden acorns :p 	Squirrel Wood demands golden acorns :p
[15:50]	Aric Linden starts humming the bridie linden theme song 	Aric Linden starts humming the bridie linden theme song
[15:50]	Bridie Linden: 	I'll follow up on this 5113
[15:50]	Taryn London demands a new spot on our profiles to post our sarts. 	Taryn London demands a new spot on our profiles to post our sarts.
[15:50]	WarKirby Magojiro wonders what ths sounds like 	WarKirby Magojiro wonders what ths sounds like
[15:50]	Bridie Linden lols 	Bridie Linden lols
[15:51]	Bridie Linden: 	A sart is born!
[15:51]	Bridie Linden falls over 	Bridie Linden falls over
[15:51]	Torley Linden: 	=)
[15:51]	Squirrel Wood: 	btw.. vwr-5096 is definitely a dupe even if the poster denies it.
[15:51]	Daedalus Young: 	imagine the doctor telling you that after the birth of your son/daughter
[15:51]	Bridie Linden: 	I know Aric liked that one..
[15:51]	Aric Linden: 	Warkirby, imagine a cross between the cocteu twins, sigur ros and new skoolie hip hop
[15:51]	Torley Linden: 	Squirrel, what's it a dupe of?
[15:51]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	<.<
[15:51]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5096[c] - Votes: 0 - Teleport resets volume in private voice call
[15:51]	Torley Linden: 	Aric: That sounds pretty good!
[15:51]	Squirrel Wood: 	voice chat volume resetting
[15:52]	Torley Linden: 	I like Sigur Ros' song about hopping in puddles. It's so lush.
[15:52]	Aric Linden loves everything about sigur ros 	Aric Linden loves everything about sigur ros
[15:52]	Bridie Linden thinks Torley is just trying to get in good w/Aric 	Bridie Linden thinks Torley is just trying to get in good w/Aric
[15:52]	Taryn London chuckles 	Taryn London chuckles
[15:52]	Aric Linden: 	listens to the new sigur ros 8 times a day
[15:52]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	sounds like the reporter is argueing the duplicate status
[15:53]	Torley Linden: 	:D
[15:53]	Squirrel Wood: 	my guess is it was closed as dupe before
[15:53]	Bridie Linden: 	No, I think the reporter filed a similar issue...
[15:53]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	The next one looks troublesome
[15:53]	Harleen Gretzky: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2970
[15:53]	Bridie Linden: 	let me look
[15:53]	Torley Linden: 	Ahhh I see the history where Harleen resolved it as a dupe!
[15:53]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	local lights extenfing too far
[15:54]	Taryn London: 	*hugs* Hey Sime :)
[15:54]	Squirrel Wood: 	local lights have a 10m radius... 20m diameter.
[15:54]	Simon Kline: 	*hugs*
[15:54]	Bridie Linden: 	This was the one we discussed last week VWR-4757
[15:54]	Bridie Linden decline Moonlit Ocean Kimono picture from A group member named Kaiya Khondji. 	Bridie Linden decline Moonlit Ocean Kimono picture from A group member named Kaiya Khondji.
[15:54]	Harleen Gretzky: 	was my guess but that was closed as a dupe https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2368 which I do thnk VWR-2970 is a dupe of VWR-2368 though
[15:55]	Jason Swain wonders if he might push SVC-1467 before the end 	Jason Swain wonders if he might push SVC-1467 before the end
[15:55]	Daedalus Young: 	reporter could at least kept those issues as related
[15:55]	Torley Linden: 	Yes.
[15:55]	Harleen Gretzky: 	*do not think
[15:55]	Torley Linden: 	I'll link them at least as related...
[15:55]	Bridie Linden: 	ty Torley
[15:55]	WarKirby Magojiro looks at SVC-1467 	WarKirby Magojiro looks at SVC-1467
[15:55]	Bridie Linden: 	Yes, Jason!
[15:55]	Bridie Linden: 	Let's look @ that one
[15:55]	Jason Swain: 	^^ Thanks
[15:56]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I never realised this was thought of as a bug
[15:56]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	but the behaviour does seem inconsistent
[15:56]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	and it would make content creation a little smoother
[15:56]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	But I must point out, the last comment is an utter lie
[15:56]	Squirrel Wood: 	attachments get certain perms auto-granted.... common expected behavior
[15:56]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I'm using this extensively in my current project
[15:56]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	yes, it is. The problem here is that it only applies to the root prims
[15:57]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	child prims still require user confirmation
[15:57]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Is that intended behaviour?
[15:57]	Bridie Linden: 	What's an example use?
[15:57]	Aric Linden: 	afk
[15:57]	Squirrel Wood: 	One use is ao scripts which remain running even in no-script zones
[15:58]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Right now, I have a modular hud system I'm working on
[15:58]	Squirrel Wood: 	since they have keyboard focus
[15:58]	Harleen Gretzky: 	Actually it is a dupe of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-424
[15:58]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Each module is in it's own child prim, and requires control of the user's camera and animations
[15:58]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:58]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	currently, they have to ask for this permission on initialisation, as they're not in the root
[15:58]	Jason Swain: 	I found this bug when building a hud... to reduce sim lag I used serval prims and addressed inividual prims, but when in a no script zone its would be a nightmare to ask the user to accept permissions on each script
[15:59]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I consider the working in no script zones an exploit
[15:59]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	and that's not really what this is for
[15:59]	Squirrel Wood: 	Certain things like AOs and flight assists you want to keep working even in noscript zones
[15:59]	Jason Swain: 	Still its an inconsistancy
[15:59]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	The main thing at hand, is whether or not this behaviour is intentional
[16:00]	Squirrel Wood: 	as having them not work sort of "breaks" your avatar
[16:00]	Jason Swain agrees with Squirrel 	Jason Swain agrees with Squirrel
[16:00]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Do any of the lindens here have an answer to that question ?
[16:00]	Bridie Linden: 	Sounds worthy of an internal discussion
[16:00]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I'd be all in favor of changing it
[16:00]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	and it wouldn't break anything
[16:00]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	just make lots of things work neater
[16:00]	Becky Pippen agrees enthusiastically 	Becky Pippen agrees enthusiastically
[16:00]	Bridie Linden: 	Some use cases added to comments might help your case :)
[16:01]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	will do
[16:01]	Bridie Linden: 	Ty
[16:01]	Torley Linden: 	I <3 use cases.
[16:01]	Taryn London: 	afk
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood: 	tiny avatar...
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood: 	enter noscript zone...
[16:01]	Harleen Gretzky: 	SVC-1467 is a dupe of SVC-424 though
[16:01]	Bridie Linden: 	I'm sorry I don't have more answers for you - but I"m sure Don and Steve will!
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood: 	ao stops working...
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood: 	you freak out...
[16:02]	Bridie Linden: 	so add comments to 424 instead?
[16:02]	Harleen Gretzky: 	Which ever you pick to import 1467 has more votes
[16:02]	Bridie Linden: 	Let's keep 1467 then
[16:02]	Bridie Linden: 	It's past 4pm...
[16:02]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I'm changing the issue title to be more clear too
[16:03]	Jason Swain: 	\o/ Thanks ^^
[16:03]	Bridie Linden: 	Thanks all!
[16:03]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	it's not isolated to the control permission
[16:03]	Squirrel Wood campaigns https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1134 for it needs more votes ^^ (Optional parcel/estate wide autoreturn of all items someone has rezzed when that person is banned from the parcel/estate.) XD	Squirrel Wood campaigns https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1134 for it needs more votes ^^ (Optional parcel/estate wide autoreturn of all items someone has rezzed when that person is banned from the parcel/estate.) XD
[16:03]	Bridie Linden: 	We really appreciate your time and help!
[16:03]	Torley Linden: 	Yes thanks so much! It's been good.
[16:03]	Daedalus Young: 	I'm glad to help out
[16:03]	Bridie Linden: 	More gold sarts for all!
[16:03]	Squirrel Wood: 	thanks for having us :)
[16:03]	Torley Linden: 	We're all made of sarts!
[16:03]	Torley Linden: 	;)
[16:04]	Torley Linden: 	Bye-bye for now... ^_^
[16:04]	Daedalus Young: 	all we are is sarts in the wind
[16:04]	Bridie Linden remembers to save transcript even 	Bridie Linden remembers to save transcript even