Adult Content User Group/12/05/2011

==Attendees List==
*?ric (?ric)
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*Dee Kass (dee.kass)
*Evelynn Kidd (evelynn.kidd)
*Ginette Pinazzo (ginette.pinazzo)
*Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Nal (nal)
*Qie (qie)
*Serjourn Daxter (serjourn.daxter)
*Viale Linden (viale.linden)
*Voodoo Radek (voodoo.radek)
*Xiola Linden (xiola.linden)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
==Transcript for Monday December 5, 2011==
[10:02]	Dee Kass 	Hi Everyone
[10:02]	Dee Kass 	Hi Ginette
[10:02]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Viale
[10:02]	Evelynn Kidd 	welcome Viale
[10:02]	Counter Landfall 	hello everyone again
[10:03]	Innula Zenovka 	Hi, Viale
[10:03]	Huntress Catteneo	well I just threw lots of cold water on my face, so hopefully stay awake
[10:03]	Innula Zenovka 	Hi, Qie
[10:03]	Qie 	Hi Innula, everybody
[10:03]	Nal 	If you want to stay awake put the cold water on the other end
[10:03]	Xiola Linden 	I've got a cup of black tea that I am hope helps wake me up
[10:03]	Viale Linden 	Hi everyone
[10:04]	Nal 	Hi
[10:04]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Viale
[10:04]	Huntress Catteneo	ooo not sure I want to be that awake lol
[10:04]	Nal 	:)
[10:04]	Dee Kass 	Good Day Viale
[10:04]	Viale Linden 	I will give everyone a minute
[10:04]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(uses minuteb to start on nails)
[10:05]	Viale Linden 	We dont have many agenda items as I see this team has been communicating very well in the forums.
[10:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	you shoudo items sent via email from me, viale
[10:05]	Viale Linden 	The 2 items I have from forum discussions are :1) Vortex and 2) Sub cats for Adult forums
[10:06]	Viale Linden 	I would like to start the discussion Vortex
[10:06]	Viale Linden 	In terms of Vortex moving forward
[10:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	what does that mean, viale?
[10:06]	Zada Bury 	Greetings around,,, sorry late ... TP problems ... dammit SL
[10:06]	Huntress Catteneo	I would not say forum discussions that good
[10:06]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Zada
[10:07]	Viale Linden 	Hi Ginnette - thanks for coming this week
[10:07]	Huntress Catteneo	there is at least discussion though
[10:07]	Voodoo Radek 	Hey Zada
[10:07]	Viale Linden 	Its been a while
[10:07]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Serjourn
[10:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	maybe you shoudl talk w/ the vortex staff soon, viale....have a meeting.....its long overdue...to define this moving forward?
[10:07]	Innula Zenovka 	Hi, Serjourn
[10:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I am here for only one reason…..
[10:08]	Viale Linden 	There was some concern about Vortex being partial to a small set of Residents and I was asked by certain Adult community folks to make it more neutral
[10:08]	Viale Linden 	Since it is public land
[10:08]	Serjourn Daxter 	Hi all
[10:08]	Viale Linden 	Any ideas on how to achieve that?
[10:08]	Huntress Catteneo	lol
[10:08]	Viale Linden 	Hi Serjourn
[10:08]	Ginette Pinazzo 	it is neutral, its open access to anyone who wants to build there and learn
[10:09]	Huntress Catteneo	interesting perception by some
[10:09]	Evelynn Kidd 	how is it considered to be partial?
[10:09]	Innula Zenovka 	other than what's been discussed in the forum, do you mean, viale?
[10:09]	Evelynn Kidd 	i use the vortex regularly
[10:09]	Huntress Catteneo	not like anyone can be kicked out
[10:09]	Counter Landfall 	As you know I have suggested renaming it to adult help vortex (remove Zindra from the name)
[10:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	in that forum, it seemed peoepl complained that the Vortex didnt 'link' to Zindar enough...but thats easy to address at the Landing..IF its true
[10:09]	Counter Landfall 	and make it part of the adult sandbox pool
[10:10]	Zada Bury 	Hmmm ... let's ask "Is there a no neutral acting?" I hear about the "Zindra Vortex"-sandbox compliments, helping staff, free access, non-disturbed building.
[10:10]	Huntress Catteneo	name has nothing to do with impartiality
[10:10]	Viale Linden 	Would keeping vortex as is and changing the name to just Vortex be suitable to all?
[10:10]	Counter Landfall 	would be fine with me
[10:10]	Ginette Pinazzo 	what EXACTLY is the complaint, viale.....that the mysterious certain soemones are making? Vortex seems to eb a thing thats working.......
[10:10]	Ginette Pinazzo 	viale, why change the name? thata only destructive.......whats the point?
[10:11]	Huntress Catteneo	what has name to do with what you started saying?
[10:11]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Ginette\
[10:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	how would name change 'move forward'? thats purely a negative move
[10:11]	Viale Linden 	OK - I am good with keeping as is and changing name
[10:11]	Huntress Catteneo	why always side track to name stuff on everything?
[10:11]	Huntress Catteneo	not just Vortex?
[10:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	viale.....how does name change move forward?? explain
[10:11]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[10:11]	Counter Landfall 	why is it negative with a name change Ginette?
[10:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	this is yet anotehr exampelof devaluing peoepl's work
[10:12]	Viale Linden 	The other issue that came up was sub categories on Forum
[10:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	you will alienate more and more peoepl
[10:12]	Viale Linden 	We didnt get much feedback on that
[10:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	viale, you had tons of feedback
[10:12]	Viale Linden 	Are we good with as is?
[10:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I sent you at least 3 agenda items related to it...and the forum was sfileld with commenst abt it
[10:13]	Counter Landfall 	I am good with the forum as it is per date
[10:13]	Viale Linden 	Can you list them here for the group to see in chat
[10:13]	Huntress Catteneo	first point was not sorted as far as I am concerned
[10:13]	Qie 	I thought it was fine to leave the forum categories as-is and just use descriptive thread titles, as Ginette suggested.
[10:13]	Huntress Catteneo	what sort of complaints?
[10:13]	Huntress Catteneo	need to know to fix
[10:13]	Ginette Pinazzo 	did you even get the email, viale? just so I know.....thats the methind you keep asking for, so i emailed it
[10:13]	Viale Linden 	Yes, lets share for the group ginette
[10:14]	Viale Linden 	in text chat
[10:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	1. Compelling Categories
[10:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	This is a s ugegstion list of categories....not just cutey ideas...but ideas that night actually encourage ore participationa nd be compelling
[10:14]	Viale Linden 	can you give some examples
[10:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the iedea is to use categories to compel peoepl to get more involved and even think of new ideas
[10:15]	Ginette Pinazzo 	examples...sure....
[10:15]	Ginette Pinazzo 	1. UPCOMING EVENTS…………
[10:16]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viale...did you at least read this befroe? or is this fuirst time?
[10:16]	Viale Linden 	Ok - we will need to widdle that down, but a good start
[10:16]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the creation of engagiung categories is just ONE idea I sent.....
[10:16]	Ginette Pinazzo 	anotehr competing idea, is the thread naming convention
[10:16]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Ginette
[10:16]	Counter Landfall 	Motion to leave the category suggestions to the users of the forums and come to agreement there
[10:17]	Viale Linden 	Yes, we need more input than just one person
[10:17]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the forums have had input...kepe the conversatuion going
[10:17]	Viale Linden 	forums are much more democratic
[10:17]	Viale Linden 	I have one more agenda item
[10:18]	Ginette Pinazzo 	viale...the thread naming that Qie mtnioned......
[10:18]	Viale Linden 	The Adult Hub launched over the weekend and it seemed quite busy
[10:18]	Viale Linden 	Serjourn - can you give us a report
[10:18]	Counter Landfall 	Congratulations Serjourn
[10:19]	Serjourn Daxter 	We had great traffic, we have great traffic incomming, we can handle more and we are sending a stream of avies out to the sims they are seeking, after diving them the basic skills
[10:19]	Viale Linden 	It was packed over the weekend
[10:19]	Serjourn Daxter 	diving=giving
[10:20]	Viale Linden 	whoops - accidentalyy teleported to the adult hub fro the destinations floater
[10:20]	Xiola Linden 	that's great
[10:20]	Serjourn Daxter 	Serjourn Daxter smiles
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[10:20]	Serjourn Daxter 	At peak we had 8.8 ms of script time, we were watching
[10:20]	Qie 	Indeed. Some good engineering there.
[10:21]	Serjourn Daxter 	That was with 55 avies in the sim
[10:21]	Viale Linden 	The one item I want to look at is the qty shown in the destination floater for the Adult hub
[10:21]	Viale Linden 	IT shows 0 all the time
[10:22]	Serjourn Daxter 	??? No idea how that comes about
[10:22]	Counter Landfall 	I was wondering about that
[10:22]	Viale Linden 	However, it was like like 50+ when I attended
[10:22]	Serjourn Daxter 	May I utter the word BUG?
[10:23]	Viale Linden 	Was there any other issues?
[10:23]	Qie 	*speaking* of Destination floater... I'm not seeing Adult as a category there, although I see Vampires (and all the others, like Art, SciFi, etc)... will that get fixed?
[10:23]	Serjourn Daxter 	Viale came with 52 avatars in the sim, it slowly dwindled down to some 30
[10:23]	Viale Linden 	That requires some dev work, but Adult is in the categories
[10:23]	Viale Linden 	Check Newcomer
[10:23]	Counter Landfall 	it is mixed into the categories, yes?
[10:24]	Viale Linden 	yes
[10:24]	Serjourn Daxter 	The breaking up of the estate into 5 estates may have something to do with the wrong readings?
[10:24]	Qie 	I see the adult category in the pulldown list in Search... just not in the "destinations" floater of the new viewers
[10:24]	Viale Linden 	yes you need the SL viewer...
[10:24]	Viale Linden 	I believe Phoenix also has it
[10:25]	Nal 	It does
[10:25]	Nal 	well Firesotrm
[10:26]	Viale Linden 	Ok - The good news is that the community is thriving with Destination Guide, Age verification emails, Adult forums and now a welcome area lead by residnets
[10:26]	Innula Zenovka 	and I emailed you, viale, with some questions about help we'd need to make scripted displays of DG content -- which isn't just of interest, of course, to Adult Content.. lots of people would find it useful, I think
[10:26]	Viale Linden 	Yes, Innula. We need a better DG hub inworld
[10:26]	Viale Linden 	I will have our Team work on that
[10:26]	Serjourn Daxter 	We'd love to "put the DG on a prim"
[10:27]	Qie 	+1 to "DG on a prim"
[10:27]	Viale Linden 	I agree
[10:27]	Ginette Pinazzo 	and Ive emailed you more on-topic agenda items, viale...the Forum Thread Naming idea....and soem ganmes to attarct moere forum participants
[10:28]	Viale Linden 	I think the best way to entertain ideas for the forums is to post them right into the forums. So Users can see and comment
[10:28]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes we post in forums, but then we can talk abt them here
[10:28]	Ginette Pinazzo 	otherwise, when do we evolve change?
[10:29]	Counter Landfall 	If you feel you have forum support for your ideas, submit to the forum owner and get the changes implemented?
[10:29]	Viale Linden 	The forums allow for more participation
[10:29]	Counter Landfall 	it should be fairly evident in the forum if you have support or not
[10:29]	Innula Zenovka 	and discussion at greater length
[10:29]	Viale Linden 	No offense to this group, but some cannot make these hours
[10:29]	Nal 	The forums are very good for hearing what people want to say. I haven't seen any decisions being made and out into effect there. The movers and shakers and decision makers are here...
[10:30]	Nal 	and PUT into^
[10:30]	Viale Linden 	Ok nal
[10:30]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes Nal....and so...if I proposed things in forum....and why cant we discuss here....? you ar emaking a loop from which there is no esacpe Viale...haha
[10:30]	Counter Landfall 	Is it really this forums task to micro manage the forums?
[10:30]	Ginette Pinazzo 	forums =get ideas out there..........meetings.....develop the conversation to move towards decision
[10:30]	Viale Linden 	Dont plan to make any decisions in this meeting. Just hearing you out
[10:31]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes but you wotn even acknowledge, viale, that youve READ soem of this amterial...so how do we move forward/
[10:31]	Counter Landfall 	If you feel you have forum support for your ideas, submit to the forum owner and get the changes implemented?
[10:31]	Nal 	Wait... this group cannot make decision or you don't plan to make decision based on what we say and decide here?
[10:32]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes Nal...its like your typical city council
[10:32]	Viale Linden 	No decisions today, Just hearing you out.
[10:32]	Viale Linden 	Sorry Nal and Ginette
[10:33]	Nal 	I'm confused... if the goal is to have community run... it sounds like your still making the decisions?
[10:33]	Viale Linden 	Nal is searching for a story?
[10:33]	Ginette Pinazzo 	oih theres a story here all right! haha
[10:33]	Nal 	Always... your point?
[10:33]	Viale Linden 	Are there any other agenda items today?
[10:33]	Huntress Catteneo	I would still like to know how changing the name of vortex solves some sort of partiality problem, that I am guessing is being judged on people involved not actually performance in which case the same would be said of the new welcome area and is normal wit personality clashes
[10:33]	Nal 	I want to undrestand to I can accurately relay information.
[10:34]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes Huntress.........we want clarification, a speoepl who WORK at Vortex all the time...and spend months developing it......whast the conenction between a name change and 'neutrality'?
[10:34]	Nal 	Vortex is in use by some island far to east...
[10:34]	Viale Linden 	@Huntress - we will consider the name change. Does not feel that important to me
[10:34]	Huntress Catteneo	what is the point in bringing up agenda items and then not dealing with them?
[10:35]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Vial...will you at LEAST meet w./ Vortex staff to tall over soem of these matters?
[10:36]	Viale Linden 	I wanted to hear from the rest. of the adult community. We will bring up the name thing on the forums
[10:36]	Huntress Catteneo	never mind the name change, what is seen as actually needing change with the people there?
[10:36]	Viale Linden 	Any other important issues that we should discuss today?
[10:36]	Ginette Pinazzo 	mayeb you shoudl considet talking w/ the peoepl who have the health of the Vortex close to heart...before you take serious advice from those who wiosh its demise.......
[10:36]	Counter Landfall 	I have none
[10:37]	Huntress Catteneo	*sigh* same same again
[10:37]	Viale Linden 	@Huntress - How is that?
[10:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	viale...I had otehr items but you have not mentioned them...Ill assuem they are not to be diuscussed?
[10:37]	?ric 	I'm on Phoenix and premium however I can not access the premium sandboxes for the last week, has anyone else had that issue? I wonder if its Phoenix specific
[10:37]	Huntress Catteneo	you said to begin when you raised the agenda it had partiality issue
[10:38]	Huntress Catteneo	then ignored what you introduced
[10:38]	Nal 	Eric, that is a fix that is le Tigre right now. It is a bug
[10:38]	?ric 	Ah
[10:38]	Viale Linden 	We plan to keep Vortex as is. The only issue raised today was the name
[10:39]	Evelynn Kidd 	i like the name Zindra Vortex
[10:39]	Voodoo Radek 	Yeah, me too
[10:39]	Huntress Catteneo	[2011/12/05 10:08] Viale Linden: There was some concern about Vortex being partial to a small set of Residents and I was asked by certain Adult community folks to make it more neutral
[10:39]	Nal 	Me too
[10:39]	Counter Landfall 	It is not even conencted to Zindra
[10:39]	Zada Bury 	Somehow I see there no "issue" (or a problem) with the name "Zindra Vortex".
[10:39]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its branded. thats has value. simply no reason to undermine that
[10:39]	Counter Landfall 	and there is no info there how to get to Zindra
[10:39]	Huntress Catteneo	that is NOT name issue
[10:39]	Counter Landfall 	that is the entire problem with the name
[10:40]	Ginette Pinazzo 	changing name would literally devalue almost a year of hard work
[10:40]	Counter Landfall 	no it would not
[10:40]	?ric 	I think Mosh south should be re-named back Zindra now
[10:40]	Evelynn Kidd 	then connect the sime to the zindra sims
[10:40]	Ginette Pinazzo 	any small improvement changing the name would vnever cover the dstruction siuch a move wouold cause
[10:40]	Counter Landfall 	I agree Eric
[10:40]	Nal 	Mosh should be renamed
[10:40]	Huntress Catteneo	Obviously I am not understanding what that meant
[10:40]	Viale Linden 	We have made months of progress since september lets not go astray today
[10:40]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yuou dotn work the Vortex counter...you wetre bnever involve din its origin or develeopment...you sinmoly dotn know what the name and the attached value represents
[10:41]	Zada Bury 	We can't change the name ... there are pictures about it ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/56721717@N08/6129923977/ ) ... a name change would make the pictures senseless.
[10:41]	Viale Linden 	These are trivial issues
[10:41]	Viale Linden 	Name sof Parcels
[10:41]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I agree its trivial in many cases...best to leave as is and move forward
[10:41]	Viale Linden 	If you guys want to debate the name, lets do that on the forums
[10:41]	Huntress Catteneo	was the partiality problem you refered to just about it's name?
[10:42]	Counter Landfall 	teere is a good debate there already Viale
[10:42]	?ric 	Zindra is pretty much the brand name of the adult mainland continant, branding is important
[10:42]	Counter Landfall 	I think it is more or less debated out
[10:42]	Counter Landfall 	you, as the land owner and owner of the Vortex group can make a decision
[10:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	and ZHV was developed as part of Zindra, obviously, and is part of Zindra....its in LL's own language abt the place, for ehavens sake
[10:42]	Nal 	I agree with Counter
[10:42]	Viale Linden 	OK - we will add some closure on that naming issue
[10:43]	Counter Landfall 	good
[10:43]	Huntress Catteneo	was the partiality problem you refered to just about it's name?
[10:43]	Viale Linden 	Will post on forums
[10:43]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its not debated really until you talk w/ Vortex Staff too, viale...you owe them that courtesy
[10:43]	Viale Linden 	The community is larger than those 5 individuals
[10:43]	Huntress Catteneo	yes and they know that
[10:43]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes but they are still a primarily affected group w. any decision
[10:44]	Huntress Catteneo	especially since it is more that 5
[10:44]	Viale Linden 	Naming effects them?
[10:44]	Ginette Pinazzo 	and besides, you seem to be taking advice from perhaps less than 5 peoepl on forums who want to kill Vortex in soem way.......may as well be consistent
[10:44]	Counter Landfall 	actaully everyone in the 343 Zindra sims are affected
[10:44]	Counter Landfall 	that is thousands of land and business owners
[10:44]	Evelynn Kidd 	i believe the community members that care one way or the other prefer keeping the name as is
[10:44]	Huntress Catteneo	was the partiality problem you refered to just about it's name?
[10:44]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes viale...naming affects them
[10:44]	Viale Linden 	I dont understand the argument to go with just Vortex?
[10:44]	Nal 	They are the resiedents willing to step up and od the work. Has some eels offered to step up? If not why aren't those the most important 5 to be included in decision proceses?
[10:45]	Viale Linden 	Or Against Vortex?
[10:45]	Counter Landfall 	nobody is agains tvortex
[10:45]	Viale Linden 	Ginette - can you let us know why Vortex would be bad?
[10:45]	Huntress Catteneo	is it such a hard question to answer? the one I have asked 3 times?
[10:45]	Qie 	In this particular case, I'd think that the more general "Adult" Help Vortex would be more representative of the mission than the "Zindra" name suggests.
[10:46]	Viale Linden 	I agree
[10:46]	Counter Landfall 	Agereed Qie, but Vortex will work too
[10:46]	Viale Linden 	Adult Sandbox
[10:46]	Viale Linden 	That seems better
[10:46]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Zinadr in the name is a key part of its identity........its has duration ib the public eye....its connected to the adult mainland concept...its integral...just 'Vortex' would be a loss of that identity...this is pretty basic, no?
[10:46]	Viale Linden 	Will appear in search
[10:46]	Nal 	Vortex as a region name is already in use...
[10:46]	Counter Landfall 	and in map search alongside the adult hubs
[10:46]	Counter Landfall 	should be ideal for such a place
[10:47]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Vortex is in use and thats established enough to keep it
[10:47]	Counter Landfall 	Adult Sandbox then
[10:47]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Zindra Help Vortex hits all the key points
[10:47]	Viale Linden 	Is everyon ok with Public Adult Sandbox?
[10:47]	Ginette Pinazzo 	no viale.....thats mad
[10:47]	Evelynn Kidd 	i believe the name of our continent 'zindra' should be used when possible to promote this place
[10:47]	Huntress Catteneo	Viale YOU brought up the agenda item, could you please not avoid the question?
[10:47]	Counter Landfall 	sounds like a good name
[10:48]	Ginette Pinazzo 	lets just rebranbd SL as 'A Virtyal World' whiel we're at it
[10:48]	Viale Linden 	It will appear in search
[10:48]	Nal 	Zindra is in thousand of image, posts, and blog dicussions. Tossing all that markting and conditioning is going to be counter productive.
[10:48]	Innula Zenovka 	but the thing is, it's supposed to be for all Adult SL, not just Zindra
[10:48]	Counter Landfall 	very descriptive for the purpose
[10:48]	Viale Linden 	I am leaning towards Public Adult Sandbox
[10:48]	Ginette Pinazzo 	viale..you are leabing towards killing this program....is that the agenda here?
[10:48]	Counter Landfall 	Zindra is connected to 343 sims, not the Vortex sim
[10:48]	Nal 	Good point Innula...
[10:49]	Counter Landfall 	so the images will point to their origin
[10:49]	Ginette Pinazzo 	why in heavens name would you undermine soemthing that is working NOW?
[10:49]	Dee Kass 	! most new residents have no idea what a sandbox is..
[10:49]	Viale Linden 	It is teh only Public Adult Sandbox kn?
[10:49]	Viale Linden 	no?
[10:49]	Innula Zenovka 	the only LL-owned one
[10:49]	Ginette Pinazzo 	nio viale..there are otehr public sandboxes...there is even one called 'Adult Sandbox'
[10:50]	Ginette Pinazzo 	this naming keeps it distoicnt and is ALREADY in heavy use
[10:50]	Counter Landfall 	No adult sandbox in map search
[10:50]	Viale Linden 	I believe there is only one LL Adult Basic Sandbox
[10:50]	Ginette Pinazzo 	try regular search
[10:50]	Counter Landfall 	map search is the important one
[10:51]	Voodoo Radek 	If vortex is not a zindra part anymore.. Are we staff still counting with LL support?
[10:51]	Counter Landfall 	and it will reflect in regular search too as a region
[10:51]	Viale Linden 	Lets not confuse issues and name it Zindra Vortex. Who would knwo to search for that?
[10:51]	Ginette Pinazzo 	no.....regular search is fairly impoortna, Id say..haha
[10:51]	Counter Landfall 	nobody Viale
[10:51]	Ginette Pinazzo 	peoepl alresdy go there viale....theyve been going frok dauy one...and weve built iupon that
[10:51]	Zada Bury 	Map-Search? "What's that?" NEver useing it since nealry 5 years ...
[10:51]	Innula Zenovka 	there's a small private one at Sondraman called Adult Sandbox
[10:52]	Counter Landfall 	and why does the DG Vortex description say it can only be reached from Zindra
[10:52]	Counter Landfall 	you need to fix that
[10:52]	Ginette Pinazzo 	peoepl go there because we MARKET the place viale......thats the issue........and you cant just toss that away
[10:52]	Ginette Pinazzo 	you claim to bring eresidents forward? Vortex is a fine example of it in action........do not turn that clock back
[10:53]	Viale Linden 	We will solve with the larger community in mind
[10:53]	Counter Landfall 	it can be reached from all over the grid and should be a resource for everyone
[10:53]	Nal 	The only ones that know about Zindra are those that ask existing residents, read blogs, forum and get involved in SL. To spread adult finding, the word adult needs to be used. But, it tends to get lost on the search spam.
[10:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	it is a resource for everyone..alwasy has been
[10:53]	Counter Landfall 	tyhen fix the DG text
[10:53]	Counter Landfall 	is is totally misleading
[10:53]	Evelynn Kidd 	if it must change Public Adult Sandbox is ok with me
[10:53]	Viale Linden 	Yes, but I want more people to find it
[10:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	you think n oit enough peopel find it?
[10:54]	Nal 	Zindra weeds out loads of the search spam.
[10:54]	Counter Landfall 	no it should be packed
[10:54]	Viale Linden 	Zindra Vortex is better than Public Adult Sandbox?
[10:54]	Ginette Pinazzo 	tyes viale.....
[10:54]	Counter Landfall 	no, it is very misleading
[10:54]	Viale Linden 	I agree
[10:54]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its marketed...that is the ovrall point here
[10:54]	Counter Landfall 	and it send everyone searchign for Zindra to a place that is disconnected from the 343 sims
[10:55]	Viale Linden 	Ok,
[10:55]	Innula Zenovka 	why does the one public Adult sandbox need marketting?
[10:55]	Viale Linden 	Right
[10:55]	Nal 	Both the name and location can be fixed.
[10:55]	Huntress Catteneo	*sigh* same every meeting I come, change name of something, spend ages on that, deliberately ignore some people, I was not asking anything irelivent and there was plenty of oportunities to answer something that WAS on the agenda compared to all that was not. At least some want Vortex to continue which is nice to see. thankyou, I will shut up and give up now.
[10:55]	Xiola Linden 	i think the point that as a new resident, someone may have not heard the name zindra is a valid one
[10:55]	Counter Landfall 	give it a good anme and it does not need much marketing
[10:55]	Ginette Pinazzo 	you aent even listening to yourselves,,,,ZHV attarcts peoepl...lots of them......if you want to make the connections to mainland even stronger..if thats issue,,,we can DO that....but changing name is a bacxkwarsd step
[10:55]	Viale Linden 	Ginette - this issue is that hardly anyone searches for zindra
[10:56]	Viale Linden 	It is an insider name
[10:56]	Viale Linden 	Not very helpful
[10:56]	Ginette Pinazzo 	it ALWAYS needs marketing.....ZHV is not typical 'sandbox'...oit was et up as a very appealing aletarntive
[10:56]	Viale Linden 	Public Adult sandbox does not need marketing
[10:56]	Ginette Pinazzo 	????
[10:56]	Viale Linden 	People will find it in search
[10:56]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its not just a bloody sandbox...thats a key factor
[10:57]	Viale Linden 	Well good
[10:57]	Viale Linden 	More people will find that now
[10:57]	Viale Linden 	3 minutes
[10:57]	Counter Landfall 	very good
[10:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	so voices hav ebene shut out..ZW and now ZHV staff too, disenfranchised.........youve seen it all here...I came back for what? same old thing
[10:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	*ZE
[10:57]	Evelynn Kidd 	will we keep the center with the map of Zindra ?
[10:58]	Viale Linden 	No, we are enfranchising more
[10:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	suuure
[10:58]	Viale Linden 	I know the name Public Adult Sandbox strikes horror in some, but lets give it some time to breathe
[10:59]	Ginette Pinazzo 	viale...kepe the name as is...meet w/ Vortex staff to show soem civility.......and lets talk ways to improve w/o alienating more peoepl
[10:59]	Counter Landfall 	it is very searchable
[10:59]	Nal 	Whatever... the visitor traffic will tell the story.
[10:59]	Serjourn Daxter 	Ginette: No matter what name the sandbox has/gets - give me a texture, a LM and a notecard, and I will place it centrally at the new HUB - free of charge.
[10:59]	Counter Landfall 	same here
[10:59]	Viale Linden 	Thanks serjourn
[10:59]	Qie 	That's a great benefit, Serjourn.
[11:00]	Counter Landfall 	we will update your kiosk next door and in Zindra Directory
[11:00]	Ginette Pinazzo 	voices have again been shut out...in favour of a minority....this is anew case (adding to list) of bias
[11:00]	Counter Landfall 	it takes 3 minutes
[11:00]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I am very sorry I came back to this meeting. I did it for certain ZE members. But I see that nothing has changed
[11:00]	Viale Linden 	Well - This city council is adjourned
[11:00]	Evelynn Kidd 	bye Only, bye Xiola
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	Lets consider the anme Public Adult Sandbox
[11:01]	Qie 	Thanks Viale, Xiola, all.
[11:01]	Voodoo Radek 	See you guys.
[11:01]	Counter Landfall 	have a good one
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	Thanks all
[11:01]	Xiola Linden 	ciao, all. thank!
[11:01]	Innula Zenovka 	Thanks, Viale, Xiola, everyone
[11:01]	?ric 	thank you
[11:01]	Xiola Linden 	+s
[11:01]	Zada Bury 	Thanky ou, two.
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