Bug triage/2008-11-12/Transcript

* [15:01] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:02] Bridie Linden: lol @ urgent issue!
* [15:02] Alexa Linden: 1 vote too!
* [15:02] Alexa Linden: whistles and looks at her shoes
* [15:02] Squirrel Wood: It repros.
* [15:02] Alexa Linden: mmmhmmm
* [15:02] Bridie Linden: will put crack team on it ASAP!
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: er, ...
* [15:03] Joeseph Albanese: Alexa took em all is the prob.
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: :)
* [15:03] Joeseph Albanese: Can someone chech her desk drawers?
* [15:03] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
* [15:03] Alexa Linden: lies!!
* [15:03] Ellla McMahon: hehehe
* [15:03] Sheet Spotter: Is that the plumber team? :-)
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: but she did take the twix, i can assure you...
* [15:03] Joeseph Albanese: lol
* [15:03] Alexa Linden: oh I sooo didn't
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: Bambers says he on his way...
* [15:03] Alexa Linden: go find Nya
* [15:03] Alexa Linden: she did it
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: speaking of...
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: bambers that is
* [15:04] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
* [15:04] Alexa Linden: see!
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: So today's agenda starts off into the 1.22 waters...
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: We've started making the Public Nightly builds available to our patient + helpful BSI folks
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: we expect RC0 next week
* [15:05] Squirrel Wood: is still on the shore, watching the sharks...
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: for broader distribution/fun!
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: looks @ Bambers
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: A reminder about the importance of reliable repros...
* [15:06] Bambers Linden: shifts uncomfortably in his chair
* [15:06] Bambers Linden: I think we'll be seeing RC0 by then :)
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: without repros - solid, step by step repros - we're going to be less likely to import issues
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: I know you all are aware...
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: Let's dive in!
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:07] Bambers Linden: yes bridie
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: ty Bambers
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: The urgent issue I'll take on :)
* [15:07] Squirrel Wood: ^^
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: Ty Squirrel
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: So first up...
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: VWR-10398[c
* [15:08] Bambers Linden: thanks bridie - that's a tough cookie
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10398
* [15:08] Bambers Linden: you may need the plumber team after all
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: Hiya Zen, just getting started
* [15:08] Alexa Linden: Hey Zen :)
* [15:08] Zen Linden: sorry i'm late. longer code review than expected
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: Np Zen
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10398
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: Joeseph - how often have you seen this one?
* [15:09] Joeseph Albanese: In the past month its been quite often
* [15:09] Squirrel Wood: I think in general the about land window does not 'refresh' after a tp because no land has the focus ?
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: Hmm
* [15:10] Joeseph Albanese: But I cant figure out an exact repro for the covneant not updating.
* [15:10] Alexa Linden: I know that if I am flying
* [15:10] Squirrel Wood: as soon as the about land window loses focus it says on the general tab: No parcel selected.
* Go to World menu > About Land or select another parcel to show its details.
* [15:10] Alexa Linden: and I've selected a land then fly to another
* [15:10] Joeseph Albanese: I dont find any correlation to content of the region. ie: empty or loaded
* [15:10] Alexa Linden: I need to relect the land
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: re-select even
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: :)
* [15:11] Alexa Linden: it doesn't update as I change postions
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:11] Joeseph Albanese: It seems like a caching type issue, where it's just low on the totempole
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: I think we should leave this for now, maybe resolve as NMI while we try and find a repro
* [15:12] Joeseph Albanese: Ill keep trying
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: Thx Joes!
* [15:12] Alexa Linden: me too
* [15:12] Bambers Linden: sweet
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: VWR-10380[c
* [15:12] Alexa Linden: I'll try on my land sim
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10380
* [15:12] Zen Linden: looks like an import and try to repro internally
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: Linux
* [15:12] Zen Linden: oh
* [15:13] Bridie Linden: oh wait, comments say xp too
* [15:13] Bridie Linden: Let's import
* [15:13] Zen Linden: sounds good
* [15:13] Alexa Linden: viewer?
* [15:13] Zen Linden: 1.22, right?
* [15:13] Squirrel Wood: nvidia driver version 177.80... didn't that one cause quite a lot of problems ?
* [15:13] Bridie Linden: yes zen
* [15:13] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:13] Bridie Linden: let's send to QA first
* [15:13] Squirrel Wood: driver update (if available) might help
* [15:14] Ellla McMahon: Linux its the latest
* [15:14] Bambers Linden: do we set AA to a specific level on hardware detect?
* [15:14] Alexa Linden: ok
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: Zen?
* [15:14] Bambers Linden: (for that card)
* [15:14] Zen Linden: not that I'm aware of...
* [15:14] Ellla McMahon: 177.8 is the latest for Linux
* [15:14] Zen Linden: that usually has to be enabled
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: thx Ellla
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: Ok, moving swiftly along...
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: VWR-10351[c
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10351
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: I love screenshots (and.or vids)
* [15:15] Zen Linden: we're probably going to see A LOT of picking problems at first with this release
* [15:15] Bambers Linden: this is a known issue I believe
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: nods to Zen
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: existing internal issue Bambers?
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: we should link up if so
* [15:16] Alexa Linden: ok
* [15:16] Bambers Linden: yes - trying to find it
* [15:16] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
* [15:17] Bambers Linden: w00
* [15:17] Bambers Linden: t
* [15:17] Bridie Linden: FYI, Release Notes for 1.22: 
* [15:17] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:17] Bridie Linden: VWR-10362[c
* [15:17] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10362
* [15:18] Joeseph Albanese: I noticed recently that when everything is muted somtimes I get a blip of sound.
* [15:18] Bridie Linden: I hear what Latif hears
* [15:18] Bridie Linden: as noted in comment
* [15:19] Bambers Linden: I hear a truncated effect after sliding to zero and then no more sound after that
* [15:19] Bambers Linden: yup - as comment I think
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: is not a fan of our UI sounds
* [15:19] Alexa Linden: +1
* [15:19] Bambers Linden: oooh
* [15:19] Zen Linden: *bloop*
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: showstopper!
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: j/
* [15:19] Zen Linden: *donk*
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: j.k
* [15:20] Bambers Linden: I also had a truncated pie menu sound
* [15:20] Zen Linden: *crunk crunk*
* [15:20] Bambers Linden: maybe each sound gets reduced as it plays
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: Bambers, add comments? and let's import
* [15:20] Bambers Linden: yes
* [15:20] Alexa Linden: sent to?
* [15:20] Squirrel Wood: late volume update ?
* [15:20] Alexa Linden: send*
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: viewer, but I think Ramzi may have updated the workflow...
* [15:21] Alexa Linden: k
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: check email Alexa?
* [15:21] Alexa Linden: k
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: VWR-10397[c
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10397
* [15:22] Squirrel Wood: have the menus been reshuffled?
* [15:22] Squirrel Wood: and could that be a possible cause ?
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: hmm, not that I know of...
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: Bambers?
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: I see no X in front of Local Chat ever
* [15:23] Squirrel Wood: works fine for me... though I'm on 1.21.6
* [15:24] Bridie Linden: Let's import, pls
* [15:24] Squirrel Wood: except for communicate
* [15:24] Bridie Linden: Next is
* [15:24] Bridie Linden: VWR-10396[c
* [15:24] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10396
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: Another good one, was this already found internally as well Bambers?
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: thought Steve mentioned it...
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: Well, let's check and either link up or import, pls
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: More picking fun...
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: VWR-10356[c
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10356
* [15:26] Bambers Linden: sorry - was focusing on another window :*)
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: np Bambers
* [15:27] Bambers Linden: yes, steve mentioned that one but we could not repro internally. Could be specific viewer build?
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: Zen, would you think that 10356 is viewer side? Moon was on 1.25 testing
* [15:28] Zen Linden: would definitely suspect viewer side
* [15:28] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:28] Joeseph Albanese: There was a similar report on 1.21 I thought.
* [15:28] Zen Linden: I'd want to rule that out
* [15:28] Zen Linden: oh really
* [15:28] Joeseph Albanese: on the edge sparks my memory
* [15:29] Zen Linden: hmm... i'd import and try to repor internally on 1.22 and 1.21
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: Let's import then and send to QA first...
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:29] Alexa Linden: ok
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: Joeseph, pls comment if your memory is jarred :) ( in a good way)
* [15:29] Squirrel Wood: For those new to the office hour: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: Thx Squirrel, welcome new folks
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: we're looking @ viewer bugs today
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: crashy fun
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: VWR-10423[c
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10423
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: we could all try now...
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: but...
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: shall we ask QA to have a look?
* [15:31] Bambers Linden: nice repro formatting there from Drew
* [15:31] Bambers Linden: I'll try now
* [15:31] Alexa Linden: sure I can send to QA
* [15:32] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:32] Bridie Linden: VWR-10358[c
* [15:32] Bridie Linden: (BTW, I keep getting bleeps of audio)
* [15:32] Ellla McMahon: this is fixed :)
* [15:32] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10358
* [15:32] Bridie Linden: yay!
* [15:32] Ellla McMahon: just waiting to see if Dan Linden agrees
* [15:32] Ellla McMahon: I am still crashing alot but I haven;t worked out why yet
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: :(
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: Next up then is...
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: VWR-10433[c
* [15:33] Ellla McMahon: I will comment after Triage, can you check with Dan Linden please
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10433
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: We can and will, Ellla
* [15:33] Ellla McMahon: thank you :)
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: Nice comments/update from Cummere
* [15:34] Bambers Linden: I was just thinking
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: I'd say let's leave this one, mark w/last triaged
* [15:34] Squirrel Wood: could it be that not all the config files were copied over to their appropriate locations ?
* [15:34] Kerry Giha: I think he logged off with thoes old attachments
* [15:35] Alexa Linden: ok
* [15:35] Kerry Giha: and didn't log on for a while.
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: hard to say
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: Next:
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: VWR-10453[c
* [15:35] Bambers Linden: hmmm
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10453
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: another show stopper!
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: j/k
* [15:36] Bridie Linden: not new to 1.22
* [15:36] Bambers Linden: no
* [15:36] Bridie Linden: i already bumped to low
* [15:36] Bridie Linden: shall we leave for now?
* [15:36] Squirrel Wood: Its also in 1.21.6
* [15:36] Bambers Linden: I think communicate does need a tooltip
* [15:37] Bambers Linden: but I think it's an Rx thing if anything
* [15:37] Bridie Linden: ok, let's import and send to Rx
* [15:37] Bridie Linden: :)
* [15:37] Alexa Linden: ok
* [15:37] Squirrel Wood: missing tooltip is not specific to 1.22 ^^
* [15:37] Bambers Linden: yes - if they can add it during another UI update, all the better
* [15:37] Bridie Linden: yes
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: Wow and that brings us to the end of the agenda!
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: w/22 mins to spare
* [15:38] Zen Linden: w00t!
* [15:38] Squirrel Wood: Wooo!
* [15:38] Bambers Linden: wow
* [15:38] Joeseph Albanese: Ok my memory was jogged and I was wrong. I was thinking of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6852
* [15:38] Squirrel Wood: 22 mins to get some coffee and something to eat
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: and 0 prostesters
* [15:38] Sheet Spotter: I added a comment a half-an-hour before the meeting to... 
* [15:38] Sheet Spotter: I am disappointed I was not more successful at finding a simple repro.
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: looks
* [15:39] Bambers Linden: looks too
* [15:39] Squirrel Wood: still you have a repro
* [15:39] Sheet Spotter: Might take you 22 minutes to read it. It's a biggy. LOL
* [15:40] Sheet Spotter: No smoking gun. I had hoped to learn more.
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: lol
* [15:40] Squirrel Wood: I believe CG mentioned something about texture loading improvements in the next rc
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: Thx for write up Sheet!
* [15:40] guarisam Baxton: hello everybody
* [15:40] Squirrel Wood: you'd have to check the latest log though
* [15:40] Alexa Linden: HI guarisam
* [15:41] Bambers Linden: thanks for putting so much work into that, Sheet
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: Hiya guarisam - we just finished up a bug triage
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:41] Bambers Linden: :)
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: Yes, Sheet, we'll ping folks internally too
* [15:41] guarisam Baxton: how are you alexa
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: I could use the extra 19 mins...so
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: until next time!
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: Many thx!
* [15:41] Bambers Linden: yey! thanks everyone.
* [15:41] Alexa Linden: thank you all!
* [15:41] Sheet Spotter: Thank you for this time.
* [15:41] Alexa Linden: see you next week :D
* [15:42] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
* [15:42] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
* [15:42] Bridie Linden: Have a great rest of your week!
* [15:42] Joeseph Albanese: You too