Adult Content User Group/07/11/2011

==Attendees List==
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*Ginette Pinazzo (ginette.pinazzo)
*Hypatia Darkstone (hypatia.darkstone)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Janicka Engineer (janicka.engineer)
*Kimiko Yiyuan (kimiko.yiyuan)
*Qie (qie)
*Sissy Blitz (sissy.blitz)
*Slaton Linden (slaton.linden)
*Smoovious Laxness (smoovious.laxness)
*StarSong Bright (starsong.bright)
*Temperance Hax (temperance.hax)
*Viale Linden (viale.linden)
*Vick Forcella (vick.forcella)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
==Transcript for Monday July 11, 2011==
[11:00]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Slaton
[11:00]	Ginette Pinazzo 	hello slaton
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	lets give everyone a couple of min
[11:01]	Slaton Linden 	hello everyone
[11:01]	Temperance Hax 	hi Slaton
[11:01]	Zada Bury 	Ah, there ... heya Slaton
[11:02]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[11:02]	Viale Linden 	for agenda items. Thanks for everyone submitting feedback
[11:03]	Ginette Pinazzo 	want sure if you just wanted the items emailed to that adrss anmd/or place don agedna, Viale
[11:03]	Viale Linden 	We are working on a solution for the zindra sim greeting area to make it more welcoming
[11:03]	Ginette Pinazzo 	did both
[11:03]	Viale Linden 	2nd
[11:04]	Counter Landfall 	ZA submitted to the email address only
[11:04]	Viale Linden 	we agreed that we want to elevate the discussion of Adult in our messaging
[11:04]	Innula Zenovka 	messaging? to whom?
[11:04]	Viale Linden 	Instead of just focusing on the "sex " part, we want to message about grown up or adult content
[11:05]	Janicka Engineer 	hello all
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	we will deliver these concepts to you in the coming weeks
[11:05]	Zada Bury 	Heya Jani ^_^
[11:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	makes perfect sense
[11:05]	Hypatia Darkstone	Hi everyone
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	I want to open the floor for a open discussion.
[11:06]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	not that there is any big difference in that, I say. Adult content is rather self explanatory anyway.
[11:06]	Temperance Hax 	Hi Hypatia
[11:06]	Vick Forcella 	Hi all
[11:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viale, I have one small but happy agenda item on that list..its new
[11:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	U agree Kimi
[11:07]	Counter Landfall 	Not sure what you want to discuss Viale. Our proposals or did you have anything else in mind?
[11:07]	Viale Linden 	go for it
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I wanted to mention that GOHA approached us with a keen interest in working together....
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I met Jack Belvedere soem time ago
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	GOHA is a large sports organisation, that works with LL
[11:07]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	was that a question to me Ginette?
[11:07]	Viale Linden 	I know GOHA
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	http://zindrabusiness.blogspot.com/2011/07/goha-teams-up-with-zindra.html
[11:08]	Vick Forcella 	Kimi>?
[11:08]	Viale Linden 	did you email me this Ginette?
[11:08]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Hi there Vick. :)
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I think its telling that Jack (unsolicited) came to , recognzining Zindra as a viable community to partner with
[11:08]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	In what way, Ginette?
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo 	not yet, Viale....didnt email it yet
[11:09]	Viale Linden 	excellent - will like to learn more
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	anywya.....GOHA is a fabulous example of a group that works with LL....and I look forward to soem great partnerships
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes, there will be a Zindr Ice Hockey team
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	thats it...just wanted to pass on soem feel-good news
[11:10]	Temperance Hax 	I have an item
[11:10]	Viale Linden 	go ahead Temperance
[11:10]	Temperance Hax 	Sexy Speed build is going greatitis at 9pm sundays now
[11:10]	Temperance Hax 	Iwas wondering,,
[11:10]	Temperance Hax 	- How we are going getting powers to return items at vortex -speedbuild today was inconvenienced by someone rezzing a prim on someones build space
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo 	9PM? gets latyer and later....sexier and sexier?
[11:11]	Temperance Hax 	it is great having a speedbuild where the art can be gory or topless etc or not
[11:11]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Ok, that sounds nice. But of course that does not really tackle the "problem" there seems to be with promoting the adult content, or is there? It is something that can be hinted at, indeed, but still what Zindra was and is intended to be is an adult sim and not a sports sim. Thanks for mentioning it though Gina. Sounds interesting anyway.
[11:12]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	uups a continent even
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	actually Kimi...cross promos are a great way to tackle that problem....with otehr organsations liek that
[11:13]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Nothing against cross promos, but why not then just making the whole place a continent like any other?
[11:13]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	So we do have a special situation here.
[11:13]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Just mentioning it.
[11:14]	Temperance Hax 	Well adult content is very variable- a lot is about art, a lot is about disabled folks doing a full range of things they perhapss cant in rl, freedom to build atthe sandbox and include greek statuary or a bra on tv set- which won today- is imprtant too
[11:14]	Hypatia Darkstone	gets the sports peole to vist zindra ,who know what else they may find
[11:14]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	But cool we have that in the backhand. :)
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	because its not like the otehrs...cross promos keep the identiteis to distinct, but fidn clever weays to complement eac h otehr
[11:15]	Janicka Engineer 	Viale I have one small question
[11:15]	Janicka Engineer 	:)
[11:15]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[11:15]	Janicka Engineer 	I have plan build some campus on Zindra Vortex
[11:15]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Ok, well, I do not really define adult content as wide as Temp just did, but if we move away from the sexual focus, then that makes things more easy, of course. Or should....
[11:15]	Temperance Hax 	My adult sim is about not being unable to talk about whatever is wished
[11:16]	Janicka Engineer 	when maybe includeing board for publish events from Linden meetings Google Callendar
[11:16]	Janicka Engineer 	some in-world board
[11:16]	Janicka Engineer 	but I will need for it public url of this callendar
[11:16]	Janicka Engineer 	it is this callendar
[11:16]	Janicka Engineer 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:User_Groups#Calendar
[11:17]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Just mentioning that this sexual focus was the reason why that continent came into existence in the first place.
[11:17]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(Temp...did you get an asnwer about Vortex..if not, I may have an update for you
[11:17]	Viale Linden 	janicka - did you have a question about vortex?
[11:17]	Hypatia Darkstone	dont forget mixed use, wi the divison mixed use location kind of died
[11:17]	Smoovious Laxness	and everything else that they took out of the Mature rating when they made Moderate more like General
[11:17]	Janicka Engineer 	yes
[11:17]	Temperance Hax 	can we deal with the cortex issue of rights for the caretakers to return prims, eject, setmedia etc as a matter of functional priority please- its feetonthe ground real issue devoid of philosophy
[11:18]	Temperance Hax 	vortex
[11:18]	Janicka Engineer 	I would like propose make some campus in middle of Zindra Vortex
[11:18]	Janicka Engineer 	and this info boards can be part of it
[11:18]	Viale Linden 	That sounds linteresting. Our focus is on the zindra sim for now,
[11:18]	Qie 	Janicka, that doesn't appear to *be* a google calendar. the wiki contains the table entries directly.
[11:19]	Viale Linden 	we can focus on vortex once we determine how to deal with the wasteland on the zindra sim
[11:19]	Temperance Hax 	Janika will need media rights
[11:19]	Janicka Engineer 	you mean that campus on Zindra Sim maybe better, Viale? :)
[11:19]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Jani..I nthink that you and the rest of the Vortex staff can decide these things.......no prblem, no?
[11:20]	Vick Forcella 	Priority is the Zindra sim, the rest can wait
[11:20]	Viale Linden 	Right Vick
[11:20]	Temperance Hax 	viale thatgreat about yur focus butwhile you are off doing that please arrange for the caretakers tobe able to do thier jobs:) perhaps an after hours phoneline to call for help?
[11:20]	Counter Landfall 	agreed
[11:20]	Hypatia Darkstone	we could use basic ablites to police(in both senses) vortex
[11:20]	Hypatia Darkstone	we cant now
[11:20]	Viale Linden 	Yes, that will be part of the solution
[11:21]	Temperance Hax 	Ginette no Janika is sayingshe needs tobe able to set parcel media- or getit done for her
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viale...we are still discussing Zinmdar Sim? if so, Ill state the posit9ion of ZEG, if you dotn know it yet
[11:21]	Temperance Hax 	maybe she cangiveitem to gverner linden?
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	oh I see Tempy
[11:21]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Oh yeah, before I forget, there should be distintion between the Help Vortex and Quickstart, right? Just because Viale mentioned something about welcoming people earlier? As far as I know Quickstart will be located on one of those current wastelands.
[11:21]	Temperance Hax 	vortex is sandbox but whensoemthingg oes wrong it justgoes wrong
[11:22]	Temperance Hax 	itisnt fixed, its an urgent issue
[11:22]	Temperance Hax 	id hatethe ress otbe tehre whenitgotgriefed or something
[11:22]	Janicka Engineer 	in this I am sure that campus maybe good way for Zindra Sim
[11:22]	Janicka Engineer 	with mentors here also
[11:22]	Viale Linden 	my main concernr and focus is that people search for zindra and land in a ghost town on zindra sim
[11:22]	Viale Linden 	We will solve that issue
[11:23]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Vial...permission to say my peace ab t Zindar Sim...for the record
[11:23]	Viale Linden 	sure
[11:23]	Counter Landfall 	ZA's submission should take care of that problem Viale
[11:23]	Ginette Pinazzo 	or is my recford already out there?
[11:23]	Ginette Pinazzo 	The Zindra Expo group has met many times and has consensus on this: ....... The Zindra Promenade is the name we want and the system we want........
[11:23]	Counter Landfall 	it will not be empty
[11:23]	Ginette Pinazzo 	We've proposed it here in the past, tested the system with many people, had the concept approved and have been ready to move forward for many many weeks....... We have a team ready to start managing the process, and some simple next steps outlined. We even have a debut event (long overdue) that is related to SL Photographers plus other proposals for the team to screen.
[11:23]	Vick Forcella 	Zindra remains Zindra imho
[11:24]	Smoovious Laxness	could make the Zindra sim itself a welcome area... with a sign "Welcome to the Zindra continent! 200 interconnected sims in every direction for your enjoyment! GO EXPLORE!" or something
[11:24]	Smoovious Laxness	don't see any neeed to rename the sim
[11:24]	Viale Linden 	I agree that it needs a rename to remove confusion and I have no issues with Zindra Promenafe as a name
[11:24]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I can talk aboiut the 'name change' and/or the Promenade's actualt purpose
[11:24]	Temperance Hax 	and inthe meantimeth enextplacethey find is vortex,,
[11:24]	Smoovious Laxness	in fact, renaming it, may just confuse it with the other Zindra locations that come up in the search
[11:24]	Viale Linden 	no need ginette
[11:24]	Qie 	and I have to say that the name "Zindra" is a boon not to be taken lightly. Objections to it keeping that name were based on old, false assumptions about its use.
[11:24]	Slaton Linden 	Temperance, so you and others simply needs rights to manage Vortex?
[11:24]	Ginette Pinazzo 	tahnks Viale...'Promenade' has soem very good qualities abt it (the namew)
[11:24]	Hypatia Darkstone	Zindra Welcome Promanade ??
[11:25]	Hypatia Darkstone	just a thought
[11:25]	Temperance Hax 	yes Slaton
[11:25]	Janicka Engineer 	yes Slaton
[11:25]	Janicka Engineer 	:)
[11:25]	StarSong Bright 	i agree Smoovious. No need to rename the sim, why not just add the rest of it "Welcome to teh adult continent" in the parcel name? problem solved
[11:25]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Hypatia
[11:25]	Vick Forcella 	If Zindra sim is used the intended way, there would be no need to rename it
[11:25]	Temperance Hax 	not so much me as the others- I dont answer lamps- thank heavens
[11:25]	Counter Landfall 	Zindra Alliance does not want the sim to be renamed
[11:25]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its not a rename...its an additio.;..its marketing basicsd ics here
[11:25]	Temperance Hax 	and can calonthe others at speed build if they had the rights
[11:25]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Ah. I see. But to search for Zindra, Zindra has to be in search at a prominent spot in search. And people have to know that they can search for the that spot in the first place. My guess is that in search - if we stay with the sexual content for now - people will just type in Sex or something. Then locations will show up that might be on Zindra or maybe not...
[11:25]	Qie 	Marketing of an outdated concept.
[11:26]	Zada Bury 	The Zindra-Sim can be a kind of "central place" ... Help/education, small expositions/events, links (and offices) for Communitys, welcomeing area (but not "welcome hub" in LL-style) and more ... like a Sim what have all in ... and the other things of Ginettes "cornoers of Zindra"- idea (Vortex ... special building and testing, Zexpo-island-sims ... events, "Zindra Startup" ... welcome and verificatiuon hub) ... are "only" for the special use.
[11:26]	Sissy Blitz 	why would a name change make any difference
[11:26]	Temperance Hax 	its asimple operational issue increasinglyimprtant as more new people find vortex
[11:26]	Slaton Linden 	OK, Janika and Temperance, we'll look into that.
[11:26]	Vick Forcella 	A sim named Zindra can *only* be in Zindra, it's a protected name
[11:26]	Janicka Engineer 	thanks :)
[11:26]	Vick Forcella 	I can get me a sim and name it Zindra promenade
[11:26]	Ginette Pinazzo 	The reasons for the name adjustment have been explained in our literature and in this forum many times. It's about branding, common sense and removing resident confusion. It's Marketing 101, really.
[11:26]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Zada
[11:26]	Smoovious Laxness	name the parcel Zindra Welcome Center if you want, but the sim itself? simply "Zindra" would do it... people don't talk about going to the Zindra PRomenade continent or even mention continent... they simply call it Zindra... by itself
[11:27]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Yes, basic welcome info would be there, of course, just as it would be at any of the so-called '4 Corners' regions, but that sim (Zindra Sim/Promenade) is actually NOT the best region to be the MAIN 'gateway'. That distinction rests with Podyan, a topic for perhaps another day?
[11:27]	Viale Linden 	can we move on to other subjects
[11:27]	Viale Linden 	we seem to go off the cliff on this one
[11:27]	Ginette Pinazzo 	happily moving on
[11:27]	Temperance Hax 	thankyou Slaton- It isntglamorous but a simple thing that does deserve attention- the vortex is working well except for thatvery loud squeak
[11:27]	Vick Forcella 	as long as you don't rename it.. ok :)
[11:27]	Viale Linden 	Any adult region holders out there?
[11:27]	Qie 	exactly: as long as you don't rename it.
[11:27]	Innula Zenovka 	me
[11:27]	Counter Landfall 	agred Vick
[11:28]	StarSong Bright 	estate owners or mainland sim owners viale?
[11:28]	Vick Forcella 	don't talk to me counter
[11:28]	Viale Linden 	Innula - any feedback on the age verification process
[11:28]	Janicka Engineer 	I am owner of private sim
[11:28]	Smoovious Laxness	yes, it is so obviously about marketing... which is why so many are against it
[11:28]	Janicka Engineer 	with adult rating
[11:28]	Innula Zenovka 	I'm delighted by it...
[11:28]	Hypatia Darkstone	was there ever an anoucement?
[11:28]	Ginette Pinazzo 	age verify seems.....simple!
[11:28]	Hypatia Darkstone	it seems tohave just happened
[11:28]	Viale Linden 	That is great
[11:28]	Ginette Pinazzo 	good question, ypa...has the new process been publicized at all?
[11:28]	Innula Zenovka 	i was surprised there wasn't an announcement, too, but it's now so easy
[11:28]	Hypatia Darkstone	this should have beendona along time ago
[11:29]	Counter Landfall 	I think we have a constructive proposal what you can do with the simplicity Viale
[11:29]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	What other names for the continent are on the table?
[11:29]	Viale Linden 	its is in answers and Knowledge base
[11:29]	Sissy Blitz 	we need a strong achitype that everyone agrees on
[11:29]	Hypatia Darkstone	the old method was just plain broken
[11:29]	Viale Linden 	+1
[11:29]	Counter Landfall 	can I share with the audience?
[11:29]	Viale Linden 	counter please
[11:29]	Counter Landfall 	For current residents:
[11:30]	Counter Landfall 	this way you dont peddle adult, you make them confirm age
[11:30]	Counter Landfall 	and make them adult ready
[11:30]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	I meant the sim, not the continent.
[11:30]	Hypatia Darkstone	intersting idea sort them out on create
[11:30]	Viale Linden 	Thanks countet
[11:30]	Smoovious Laxness	and if they aren't adult? skip past to the next page?
[11:30]	Counter Landfall 	yep
[11:31]	Smoovious Laxness	I'm good with that
[11:31]	Counter Landfall 	variation of the same on new signups
[11:31]	Viale Linden 	How is traffic these days to your sims?
[11:31]	Ginette Pinazzo 	traffic? whats that? (joke)
[11:31]	Janicka Engineer 	about 1-2000
[11:31]	Qie 	(have to remember that there must always be support for "becoming Adult" later, too.)
[11:31]	Viale Linden 	Nice Jancka
[11:32]	Janicka Engineer 	:)
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	- what is the content of your sim?
[11:32]	Slaton Linden 	Janika over what time frame?
[11:32]	Smoovious Laxness	(can always go back and verify later like now()
[11:32]	Janicka Engineer 	medival bdsm theme
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	nice
[11:32]	Janicka Engineer 	you mean my timezone?
[11:32]	Janicka Engineer 	I have same how in Paris
[11:32]	Hypatia Darkstone	just had a negative thogh tho on making all acounts enter an age
[11:32]	Janicka Engineer 	:)
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	how are you promoting your region?
[11:32]	Innula Zenovka 	My traffic is pretty much what it's always been. which is low because the sim is half our shop and half residential, and we like it that way... we are more interested in revenue than traffic
[11:32]	Janicka Engineer 	with blogspot
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	one sec Innula
[11:33]	Janicka Engineer 	and with our own group
[11:33]	Viale Linden 	pls post link
[11:33]	Janicka Engineer 	all visitors are abble to jion on our region
[11:33]	Viale Linden 	or send to me
[11:33]	Janicka Engineer 	ok
[11:33]	Janicka Engineer 	http://fort-mistress.blogspot.com/
[11:33]	Hypatia Darkstone	no way to test blocking of unverfied accounts without falsly regestering under age
[11:33]	Viale Linden 	How do you promote your blog?
[11:33]	Hypatia Darkstone	for parcel aces testing etc
[11:33]	Vick Forcella 	oh that looks cool Janica
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	sorry for trading secrets
[11:34]	Janicka Engineer 	sometimes I use also twitter
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	good
[11:34]	Janicka Engineer 	and with my profile
[11:34]	Janicka Engineer 	in sl
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	do you keep your tweets above the line
[11:34]	StarSong Bright 	StarSong Bright has a sim with an average traffic upwards of 18-20k most days (no bots ever) this has been faily consistant since i moved from mainland to an estate when zindra was announced. I did not see a fall in my traffic, but we did a LOT of announcements and education (and protesting) about the "adult content changes".
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[11:34]	Smoovious Laxness	if I understand right, verifying, or even entering an age, isn't mandatory... just that step included as part of the signup process?
[11:34]	Qie 	ooo... Hypa, that's interesting. I never thought of that.
[11:34]	Janicka Engineer 	yes
[11:35]	Viale Linden 	sounds like a great way for others to promote
[11:35]	Janicka Engineer 	:)
[11:35]	Viale Linden 	on this subject
[11:35]	Counter Landfall 	entering an age is part of the signup process
[11:35]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Star is a promotions dynamo
[11:35]	Viale Linden 	I want to refine the messaging guidelines for the Destination Guide
[11:36]	Viale Linden 	and allow for posts to the Destination Guide for Adult owners
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo 	fabulous
[11:36]	Smoovious Laxness	hmm
[11:36]	Janicka Engineer 	yes I have plan add my sim to destionation guide
[11:36]	Janicka Engineer 	:)
[11:36]	Viale Linden 	Then you can use the DG asa better landing page for for your traffic via blogs
[11:36]	Temperance Hax 	My sim i never look at traffic, it is my last concern
[11:36]	Viale Linden 	slurls are not pretty landing pages
[11:36]	Janicka Engineer 	I use also classified
[11:36]	Vick Forcella 	Once Ziondra (the sim) is ready it would be a great destination :)
[11:36]	Temperance Hax 	<= heretic with bosum
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I assumje these guidelines will be in line with he new 'sophisy=ticated' approach to marketing adult?
[11:37]	Smoovious Laxness	perhaps if in your other info you make it clear that alt is intended specifically for testing age-limiting functions? so it is clear what it was created for?
[11:37]	Counter Landfall 	Zindra sim should be the portal to the Zindra continet
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	we have an ad widget on the destination guide that one can copy paste into their blog
[11:37]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	I looked around the sim as well. While there is not much going on on the ground it seems there are always a lot of people all over, mostly somewhere in skyboxes. If those people "buy" or "consume" is another matter, of course, but that you can never tell from an outside position anyway. That is not different from other sims and continents.
[11:37]	Janicka Engineer 	ahh really?
[11:37]	StarSong Bright 	I would love to have Velvet Thorn in the destination guide but i never even bothered to submit it, assuming that as adult it wasnt possible
[11:37]	Janicka Engineer 	where I can find it :)
[11:37]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	I mean I looked around the continent...damn
[11:37]	Hypatia Darkstone	i think all prety much agree on that point counter
[11:38]	Janicka Engineer 	this wigdet
[11:38]	Viale Linden 	Innula - can you let us know your monthly traffic?
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Podyan / Quickstart is the far more aningful 'portal' (though all these rregions can act as portals to an extent)
[11:38]	Viale Linden 	one sec Janicka
[11:38]	Innula Zenovka 	i never bother to look, I'm afraid.. the only metric i am interested in is our sales and our residential rents
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Podyan is Moderate...its isoalted (safer) and can draw far more new peoepl
[11:39]	Viale Linden 	ok
[11:39]	Viale Linden 	is it meeting your needs
[11:39]	Hypatia Darkstone	podyan is th outside entry Zindra is the inside one
[11:39]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	I think a good portal is a region that is classified as moderate and not as adult.
[11:39]	Hypatia Darkstone	what ever the name & format
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo 	outisde is what you nwant fro mthe 'gateway' (especially with moderate residents
[11:39]	Innula Zenovka 	yeah.. i'm always interested in ways of promoting sales in our shops but i don't see traffic leading it..never have done
[11:39]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	And Zindra is adult..
[11:40]	Hypatia Darkstone	ok cal it a startin point in adult
[11:40]	Viale Linden 	just wondering Innula - are you using a blog? Twitter?
[11:40]	Temperance Hax 	'The destination guide is mixed blessing- we found bought flood sof people who cannot do anything as they have a crippled viewer andneeded to relog after turning it off- but maybe that has been fixed
[11:40]	Qie 	Both are important, eventually, but the new process flow for brining in new residents to Adult directly at sign-up means that Zindra needs fixing first.
[11:40]	Counter Landfall 	if every resident confirm their age, they will pretty much be able to get past this problem by just setting the amturity rating they want at any time in prefs
[11:40]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Temp - we think it isa blessing
[11:40]	Counter Landfall 	you are largely discussing yesterdays porblems
[11:40]	Temperance Hax 	i love touse it to explore sl
[11:40]	Counter Landfall 	problems*
[11:40]	Innula Zenovka 	twitter sometimes.. and SLU, but mostly through groups and innumerable affialiate vendors, which we see as good ways of getting people to the main stores
[11:40]	Viale Linden 	right
[11:40]	Temperance Hax 	ithas the most wonderful things imaginable
[11:41]	Innula Zenovka 	but i can see twitter we should use a lot more
[11:41]	Zada Bury 	But ... btw ... since Friday seems Podyan a bit damaged. It not appear (for me) on the map. Sim crah totaly now?
[11:41]	Viale Linden 	Can I see your blog?
[11:41]	Counter Landfall 	LL has given us a tool to think new
[11:41]	Vick Forcella 	I've discovered that Twitter can gve a massive traffic increas to a bog of... 20 or so
[11:41]	Ginette Pinazzo 	keeping twitter 'clean' is a pretty good idea
[11:41]	Slaton Linden 	for Destination Guide ad widget go to any DG entry page and click "Ad Widget" hyperlink under "View on Map" button
[11:41]	Viale Linden 	Yes, Ginette
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	we plan to give you all messaging guidelines to help you be successfui
[11:42]	Janicka Engineer 	thank You Slaton :)
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	thanks Slaton
[11:42]	Temperance Hax 	I found duran duran through facebook hehe
[11:42]	Vick Forcella 	owl? Where?
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	http://secondlife.com/destination/the-black-hills-dakota-territory
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	see under view on map
[11:42]	Slaton Linden 	Vick, on the floor under the bar ;)
[11:43]	Ginette Pinazzo 	remem,ber Duran Duran found us earlier this year>? that was funny (ended in tragedy though)
[11:43]	Viale Linden 	we have plans for DD
[11:43]	Zada Bury 	(( close to the coffeemachine ))
[11:43]	StarSong Bright 	I have a proposal for you Viale, started writing it to email but never got to it. This new google plus. If LL has any sense, you will find a way to work out a deal with them and make an SL+ - a way for us to have our SL persons fully networked without connecting them to our RL things like Facebooks and those that really want you to use RL info.
[11:43]	Temperance Hax 	I love them so much- I am glad:)
[11:43]	Vick Forcella 	DD to a bdsm sim... DD goes Gorean!
[11:43]	Temperance Hax 	ROFL
[11:44]	Janicka Engineer 	btw I thing that is possible make in same style some Zindra banner for another pages/blogs for promote
[11:44]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Star..you need to finish writing that proposal! sounds great!
[11:44]	Viale Linden 	Thanks - we are very excited about the dev on sl profiles
[11:44]	Temperance Hax 	if d goes goreani wont love them anymore, send them tofemdom I say!
[11:44]	Temperance Hax 	lol
[11:44]	Vick Forcella 	... girls on film.... (that was HOT)
[11:44]	Viale Linden 	I believe Google+ will have a painful TOS that will prevent your ads
[11:44]	Temperance Hax 	ohyess
[11:44]	Hypatia Darkstone	why is the text limit on new profiles lower, i owuld think it could be higher, more details
[11:45]	Counter Landfall 	they also started deleting fictual accounts
[11:45]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we actually had soem DD videos shot on ZEXPO island...though the prooducreds changed mind late in the game (after many hours of shooting)
[11:45]	Viale Linden 	I encourage you all to attend the SLCC inworld or in real life to hear our talk on Profiles
[11:45]	Counter Landfall 	Googler wants warm bodies they can sell to companies
[11:46]	Qie 	At present, G+ is not a safe place for an avatar-named account (although that hasn't stopped me)
[11:46]	Vick Forcella 	well, the profile thing gave me Firestorm... that's a good thig
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo 	talk of Profiels? can you give us a teaser?
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	I think SL profiles will be a very helpful community tool
[11:46]	Counter Landfall 	agreed Viale, focus on Sl tools
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	SL is a a platform with unlimited creativity and we beleive it is our edge
[11:46]	Hypatia Darkstone	higher text lmit pleas at last as much as the OLD version
[11:46]	StarSong Bright 	and will that include email Viale? because we REALLY need a better internal communication system, heck even AOL had that 20 years ago now
[11:46]	Janicka Engineer 	I see I thing that new function "Feed" will very usefull for me :)
[11:46]	Vick Forcella 	The edge is also Immersion
[11:47]	Innula Zenovka 	all the people in my G+ circles (bar one) are avatar-named accounts at the moment
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	I cannot discuss roadmap, but we know that starsong
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	big issue
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	SL community has been very patient
[11:48]	Viale Linden 	Good things are happening
[11:48]	StarSong Bright 	yups! i couldnt agree more... for "retention" and whatnot, a full spectrum including email and profile circles and the ever so buzzword compliant social networking part would go a long way, not just for adult, but in general.
[11:48]	Temperance Hax 	Its vital to beable to be private, sometimes- especially in adult sims, we may not be ashamed be want a brown paper wrapper. It sok for our friends toknow bu tnot our boss ,our mum, or our kids
[11:48]	Viale Linden 	I like circles
[11:48]	Counter Landfall 	an adult section in the profile would go a long way to ehlp
[11:48]	Vick Forcella 	I told a few months ago, if there is a time to buy SL land it's now. Things are cooking
[11:48]	Hypatia Darkstone	good way to put it temprance
[11:49]	Viale Linden 	+1 Vick
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viale...is there a thinktank going that is discussing business and communicafrion tols liek mthat? (or is this it? haha)
[11:49]	Counter Landfall 	it should only be visible to those that want to see adult content, plus people you want to share it with
[11:49]	Viale Linden 	I would encourage you to attend the Profile user group
[11:49]	Viale Linden 	Fredrik linden
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo 	got it
[11:50]	Hypatia Darkstone	when is that?
[11:50]	StarSong Bright 	one thing i think LL shoudl examine about the G+ stuff is the "circles" - what you show to whom. Like what temperance said about kids and bosses - who can see what about you.
[11:50]	Viale Linden 	However, we are encouraged by his progress
[11:50]	Vick Forcella 	.... whispers: i was close to poofing Fred....
[11:50]	Qie 	Tuesday - First Tuesday of the month 11:00-12:00
[11:50]	Viale Linden 	My goal is to make communities more sustaining
[11:50]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I have an out of the box question, since your mentioning otehr groups.....
[11:51]	Viale Linden 	so they dont need a linden to go do things
[11:51]	Counter Landfall 	self sufficient you mean?
[11:51]	Slaton Linden 	yes, Counter
[11:51]	Temperance Hax 	while disucusisng adult promotion- I think SL ignores the fact that so many a dult content users are disabled- sometimes they are married to each other in rl, so pls keep that in mind
[11:51]	Vick Forcella 	We need more resident participation, less ego's too
[11:52]	Ginette Pinazzo 	SL on Mobile Devices.......where would one go with ideas for that?
[11:52]	Viale Linden 	yes Vick
[11:52]	Counter Landfall 	to the CEO Ginette
[11:52]	Viale Linden 	Ginette - it is no unheard of
[11:52]	Counter Landfall 	the viewer group has the possition it is not doable
[11:52]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Are we atlking about future improvements of SL that might or might not benefit us some time in the future or are we talking about the here and now? Because otherwise we might just stand up and wait till those things happen and then talk again. So, where do we stand at the moment? Will Zindra me renamed? yes or no? Will there be a greeting area? yes or no? and if yes, where? is LL getting involved and on what level? I think slowly it might be time to really make some decisions before we burx each other in some avalanches of proposals.
[11:53]	Vick Forcella 	Zindra won't be renamed
[11:53]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	bury
[11:53]	Sissy Blitz 	A Art gallery exhibition might be good for promotion
[11:53]	Vick Forcella 	It will be the welcome area
[11:53]	Smoovious Laxness	I hope it won't
[11:53]	Hypatia Darkstone	well without any generic office hours its hard to aproch subjects not on the list all ready
[11:53]	Vick Forcella 	It'll be set to group
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	not full SL on Mobiel Devices...but supplemental apps to enhance and attarct new residents
[11:53]	Vick Forcella 	LL won't be involved in manageing the Zindra sim
[11:53]	Viale Linden 	Guys - we recently overhauled the community portal and it has some useful links
[11:53]	Viale Linden 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Resources_Portal
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Zindar will be renamed, the sim that is
[11:54]	Counter Landfall 	mobile support to make Sl relevant throughout the day
[11:54]	Sissy Blitz 	I have a disability and struggle in sl and no seems to want to help me
[11:54]	Sissy Blitz 	its frustrating
[11:54]	Smoovious Laxness	there is no reason to rename it
[11:54]	Viale Linden 	Sissy - are you aware of virtual ability?
[11:54]	Smoovious Laxness	not even a good enough marketing reason
[11:54]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Good, so when it is renamed, when will it be renamed? Any reason why it still is not renamed? Or is it not that clear that it will?
[11:55]	Ginette Pinazzo 	there are countless sane reasons to rename it......its basic.....
[11:55]	Viale Linden 	ok
[11:55]	Smoovious Laxness	there are not... you're exaggerating
[11:55]	Viale Linden 	approaching cliff
[11:55]	Hypatia Darkstone	Sissy which veiwer is better? (if yoU have tried both)
[11:55]	Ginette Pinazzo 	besides, that train has left the station, as they say
[11:55]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(jumps over cliff to next cliff)
[11:55]	Counter Landfall 	has it Ginette? Elaborate please
[11:55]	Smoovious Laxness	tracks have switches and derailers on them
[11:56]	Qie 	if this is all a fait accompli, honestly, we have better things to do with our time.
[11:56]	Sissy Blitz 	I was not talking about my viewer I was talking about my disability with mental illness and commicating
[11:56]	Zada Bury 	A rename would be helpfull ... each time if you talk about "Zindra" ... you have to clearify "Sim or Continent"?
[11:56]	StarSong Bright 	actually gina, as far as i can tell 99% of your points are addressed by simply changing the parcel name to include the welcome info, signs would also go a long way. that seems like a moot point. Things like staff abiility to return random prims in the vortex are clearly more important.
[11:56]	Qie 	("zindra sim" is a heck of a lot shorter than "zindra promenade")
[11:57]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	And by the way, I do not really care what new name it will get. I just want this thing off the table. It begins to get annoying.
[11:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	hahaha
[11:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	now THAST the spirit Kimi
[11:57]	Vick Forcella 	I'll tickle you again Kimi...
[11:57]	Viale Linden 	OK - that it. We will have resolution on the name by next Monday
[11:57]	Zada Bury 	"Zindra Central"?
[11:57]	Smoovious Laxness	Zindra Welcome Area as a sim name would even be doable... but... Promenade!?
[11:57]	Zada Bury 	ZC
[11:57]	Viale Linden 	Thanks everyone for your time today
[11:58]	StarSong Bright 	also, when doing a search if you put zindra the sim comes up - exact word search to sim name... its why my sim is named how it is. If you go changing the name or adding anything it wont be first in search anymore.
[11:58]	Viale Linden 	Keep the failth
[11:58]	Qie 	thanks Viale, Slaton
[11:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Podyan is you FAR better 'wecloem area'...think abt it
[11:58]	Janicka Engineer 	thank You Vilae :)
[11:58]	Innula Zenovka 	thank you
[11:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ciao Viale, Slaton
[11:58]	Vick Forcella 	tc Viale
[11:58]	Zada Bury 	Thank's you two ^_^
[11:58]	Janicka Engineer 	Thank You Slaton :)
[11:58]	Smoovious Laxness	agreed, StarSong
[11:58]	Sissy Blitz 	Waves bye everyone
[11:58]	Counter Landfall 	cheers guys
[11:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Im off to find coffee...ciao
[11:58]	Vick Forcella 	Vick Forcella tries to hunt the owl
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[11:58]	Zada Bury 	Slaton ... only 1 coffee on the flight
[11:58]	Hypatia Darkstone	BY vIALE , sLATON
[11:58]	Viale Linden 	I need a coffee
[11:58]	Smoovious Laxness	keeping the name for that reason alone is a better marketing decision than renameing it
[11:58]	Janicka Engineer 	:)
[11:58]	Janicka Engineer 	bye :)
[11:58]	Vick Forcella 	Beer!
[11:59]	StarSong Bright 	hes drinking under the bar lol
[11:59]	Viale Linden 	yes
[11:59]	StarSong Bright 	slaton i mean heheh
[11:59]	Zada Bury 	*points on slatin* An owl is wrapped around
[11:59]	StarSong Bright 	find any good bottles down there slaton? grins
[11:59]	Viale Linden 	take care
[11:59]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its not a reaname Smoov...it KEEPS the name, but adds a marketable and sensibl distinction, so as to sotop the confusion
[11:59]	Janicka Engineer 	you too :)
[11:59]	StarSong Bright 	bye viale
[11:59]	Slaton Linden 	I like the floor ;) thanks everyone
[11:59]	Smoovious Laxness	that, is a rename, Ginette
[11:59]	Vick Forcella 	Safe paths Viale, Slanton
[12:00]	Slaton Linden 	bye and take care
[12:00]	Smoovious Laxness	save your market-speak for your droids
[12:00]	Counter Landfall 	bye
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