Bug triage/2008-06-30/Transcript

* [12:07] Alexa Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda
* [12:07] Harleen Gretzky: Hi Nya :)
* [12:07] Alexa Linden: first up today is SVC-32[c
* [12:07] Harleen Gretzky: This was fixed, but seems broken again
* [12:08] Gellan Glenelg: yeah - have had people complaining about this, this week
* [12:08] Gellan Glenelg: someone said it's only if the booted person started the group im - no idea f that's true
* [12:08] Bridie Linden: Let's test :)
* [12:09] Harleen Gretzky: Well the person starting it might not be the same person to everyone, depends when everyone logged in
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: true
* [12:10] Gellan Glenelg: is it related to the new auto-unmute changes?
* [12:10] Harleen Gretzky: WE could test with BSI, I suppose
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:10] Squirrel Wood: shall scare you all by complaining about https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-27 still being an issue :p
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: who wants to be kicked?
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:10] Harleen Gretzky: start a chat first
* [12:11] Harleen Gretzky: then you can kick me
* [12:11] Aric Linden: Let's take this in and pass to QA for repro and update
* [12:11] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:11] Alexa Linden: WEB-510[c
* [12:11] Harleen Gretzky: This probably needs a Linden to say it is a sympton of WEB-87, they do not believe Gigs
* [12:13] Alexa Linden: well I did mark it
* [12:13] Harleen Gretzky: I think they want you to actually say it is a sympton, they just do not seem to believe it is a duplicate
* [12:13] Aric Linden: let's link to web-87 and assign it to workingonit
* [12:13] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:14] Gellan Glenelg: it's already related
* [12:14] Gellan Glenelg: if you mark as dupe, someone will undo it!
* [12:14] Alexa Linden: so I see
* [12:14] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:14] Squirrel Wood: mark as dupe and lock it :p
* [12:14] Harleen Gretzky: Unless you confirm i is a sympton
* [12:15] Alexa Linden: SVC-2513[c
* [12:15] Gellan Glenelg: this sounds familiar
* [12:15] Alexa Linden: I would think this is a dup?
* [12:15] Harleen Gretzky: Similar to Darlings flight assist sisue
* [12:15] Alexa Linden: yes and there was another about 3 weeks ago
* [12:16] Gellan Glenelg: ok - repro has been added since last week
* [12:16] Aric Linden: please import and assign to sidewinder
* [12:16] Squirrel Wood: Ah... repro uses insane value for push.
* [12:16] Alexa Linden: ok :)
* [12:16] Aric Linden: um, I don't think it's critical
* [12:17] Gellan Glenelg: agreed
* [12:17] Squirrel Wood: push afaik was nerfed to fix orbitters
* [12:17] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:17] Squirrel Wood: or rather, render those useless
* [12:17] Alexa Linden: next is SVC-2514[c
* [12:17] Alexa Linden: the big argument I've seen on this
* [12:18] Alexa Linden: had been whether the copybot person Really can get into a closed group
* [12:18] Harleen Gretzky: whether it is true or not
* [12:18] Alexa Linden: or if it just looks that way from their profile
* [12:19] Squirrel Wood: there is no way to stop people from copying as long as assets need to be sent to the client for rendering.
* [12:19] Harleen Gretzky: The snapshot has some groups that the bot is not in, but they are hard to read to see if they are closed, the ones I could read were all open
* [12:19] Gellan Glenelg: and no way to stop the copying of the majority of profile
* [12:20] Harleen Gretzky: Yeah, I think the biggest issue was teh closed groups, not really the rest
* [12:21] Alexa Linden: which we still don't know if this really happened
* [12:21] Bambers Linden: can we find out what was in the ARs?
* [12:21] Aric Linden: I think w/out a repro this is an issue which won't get much attention
* [12:22] Harleen Gretzky: correct, maybe should resolve as NMI until someone posts a repro
* [12:22] Alexa Linden: we can but they don't give us more more info
* [12:22] Alexa Linden: that was to bambers btw
* [12:22] Squirrel Wood: it will be reopened.
* [12:22] Aric Linden: let's request more info
* [12:22] Squirrel Wood: Joshua Nightshade - 09/Jun/08 11:11 PM - edited
* Stop closing this issue. Over ten of us were present in world when this happened. If it gets closed again I'm reopening it unless it's locked by a Linden.
* [12:23] Bambers Linden: was just thinking there may be more info in ARs from 10 people than is in 1 bug reports written by 2 people at a later time
* [12:23] Harleen Gretzky: Can LL tell from logs whether the bot joined closed groups?
* [12:25] Alexa Linden: ok - on to SVC-2585[c
* [12:27] Harleen Gretzky: Your receipt email basically that the AR was entered
* [12:27] Gellan Glenelg: but is there ANY point in sending ARS to estate owner/managers, if there's no info in the AR?
* [12:27] Squirrel Wood: [rt.lindenlab.com #1219804
* [12:27] Gellan Glenelg: or do they just mean the subject line on the "receipt" email?
* [12:27] Harleen Gretzky: I tested this on my sim, my email still has all the information it always had
* [12:27] Squirrel Wood: that's the last confirmation of an AR I sent
* [12:28] Gellan Glenelg: when was that, squirrel?
* [12:28] Squirrel Wood: the 26th
* [12:28] Alexa Linden: interesting
* [12:28] Alexa Linden: thanks squirrel
* [12:28] Squirrel Wood: two days or so ago
* [12:28] Squirrel Wood: or three.. or four
* [12:28] Gellan Glenelg: issue logged yesterday. has it changed since then?
* [12:28] Alexa Linden: not that I would think
* [12:29] Aric Linden: no it hasn't
* [12:29] Harleen Gretzky: Would have probably changed with 1.22.4 if it did
* [12:29] Gellan Glenelg: then what are 69 people voting for??
* [12:29] Gellan Glenelg: 59*
* [12:30] Aric Linden: I'd like to have someone from the g team comment on this
* [12:30] HEN Streeter: hey snake
* [12:30] Alexa Linden: ok Aric
* [12:30] Aric Linden: Alexa, can you ask maurice to step in here?
* [12:30] Snake Dawes: hey hen
* [12:30] HEN Streeter: mind if i join metting?
* [12:30] Alexa Linden: please :)
* [12:30] Alexa Linden: have a seat
* [12:31] HEN Streeter: thank you
* [12:31] Squirrel Wood: I dare you to pick a seat HEN
* [12:31] HEN Streeter: :)
* [12:31] Alexa Linden: on to patches then
* [12:31] Alexa Linden: VWR-4212[c
* [12:33] Squirrel Wood: pretty good comment in there
* [12:33] Bridie Linden: For HEN to follow along: 
* [12:34] Squirrel Wood: about parcel->getAllowModify()
* [12:34] HEN Streeter: ah yes thanx
* [12:34] Squirrel Wood: and agentcanBuild()
* [12:35] Aric Linden: let's import and pass to triage
* [12:35] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:35] Alexa Linden: VWR-5962[c
* [12:36] Squirrel Wood: makes sense
* [12:36] Aric Linden: let's make it a feature request and pass to RX
* [12:36] Alexa Linden: good for the Rx team?
* [12:36] Alexa Linden: jinx :P
* [12:36] Gellan Glenelg: hmm. I'm not convinced by the need for this... the only reason to select a single face is to edit the texture?
* [12:36] Aric Linden: giner beer
* [12:36] HEN Streeter: lol
* [12:36] Aric Linden: ginger beer
* [12:36] Squirrel Wood: but you *select* the *face* ^^
* [12:37] Gellan Glenelg: but yeah - let Rx decide using their methods, rather than on the say-so of 3 or 4 people
* [12:37] HEN Streeter: what is rx?
* [12:37] Gellan Glenelg: Resident eXperience
* [12:37] Alexa Linden: Resident Experience
* [12:37] Alexa Linden: woot!
* [12:37] Harleen Gretzky: Only thing you can do is select a single face
* [12:37] HEN Streeter: hmhm
* [12:37] Aric Linden: thinks alexa is on a role today
* [12:37] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:37] Alexa Linden: next up we have VWR-7362[c
* [12:37] Gellan Glenelg: again ;P
* [12:37] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:38] HEN Streeter: not usful ? why not use NULL_KEY?
* [12:38] HEN Streeter: isnt same
* [12:38] Gellan Glenelg: if we say yes, will it go away ?? ;P
* [12:38] Gellan Glenelg: no - NULL_KEY uses more byutes
* [12:38] Gellan Glenelg: bytes
* [12:38] Harleen Gretzky: Rob requested more votes, but doesn't look like it is getting any
* [12:39] Alexa Linden: last triaged date again?
* [12:39] Gellan Glenelg: this hasn't changed since last week
* [12:39] Gellan Glenelg: why does it keep appearing on agenda?
* [12:39] Alexa Linden: it needs love
* [12:39] Harleen Gretzky: No LL ID
* [12:39] Harleen Gretzky: has not been imported
* [12:39] Aric Linden: Let's ask babbage what he thinks
* [12:39] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:40] Bambers Linden: I have to duck out early. Sorry - see you next time! :~)
* [12:40] Harleen Gretzky: tc Bambers
* [12:40] Squirrel Wood: cyas
* [12:40] Gellan Glenelg: cya bambers
* [12:40] Alexa Linden: and now we dip our toys into the misc. pool.....
* [12:40] Ellla McMahon: bye Bambers :)
* [12:40] Alexa Linden: bye Bambers
* [12:40] Alexa Linden: toes*
* [12:40] Alexa Linden: VWR-7939[c
* [12:40] Bambers Linden: byeeeeeeeeeee
* [12:41] HEN Streeter: eek those happends to me to somtimes
* [12:41] Squirrel Wood: Its the scary windows theme!
* [12:41] Alexa Linden: hmmm from garn
* [12:41] HEN Streeter: memroy canntot be read
* [12:42] HEN Streeter: nice vista he have for a gforce 7800
* [12:42] HEN Streeter: ah not
* [12:43] HEN Streeter: i better be goign th for tp snake
* [12:43] Snake Dawes: ok
* [12:43] Snake Dawes: im so tired
* [12:43] HEN Streeter: cya all and thx
* [12:43] Snake Dawes: cya all
* [12:44] Aric Linden: cya
* [12:44] Aric Linden: alexa - let's import this one
* [12:44] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:44] Aric Linden: assign to triage
* [12:44] Squirrel Wood: It looks like a corrupted download
* [12:44] Alexa Linden: VWR-6506[c
* [12:44] Alexa Linden: still waiting for comp enviroment
* [12:45] Alexa Linden: so, nmi?
* [12:45] Squirrel Wood: cache clear ?
* [12:45] Alexa Linden: and what version, etc
* [12:45] Alexa Linden: and from april
* [12:45] Squirrel Wood: Affects Version/s: 1.19.1.4
* [12:45] Alexa Linden: right but not even sure if it's still a problem
* [12:46] Squirrel Wood: mayhaps ask if still a problem on rc?
* [12:46] Aric Linden: clear cache is a good suggestion tho
* [12:46] Aric Linden: heh
* [12:46] Aric Linden: squirrel has it
* [12:46] Squirrel Wood: cites from the book :p
* [12:46] Alexa Linden: ok - I'll add that too
* [12:46] Alexa Linden: VWR-7938[c
* [12:47] Squirrel Wood: need exact rc version
* [12:47] Squirrel Wood: and hardware details...
* [12:47] Alexa Linden: yup
* [12:47] Alexa Linden: I'll ask for it
* [12:47] Gellan Glenelg: linking VWR-7938 to VWR-7709 (snapshot meta)
* [12:48] Gellan Glenelg: looks like a dupe tho
* [12:48] Alexa Linden: # VWR-6663[c
* [12:48] Squirrel Wood: anti alias is fsaa. course it blurs everything....
* [12:49] Harleen Gretzky: Doesn't blur for me,and I have pratically the same setup as the OP
* [12:49] Harleen Gretzky: But this was RC2, should probablly see if it is still happening in RC11
* [12:50] Squirrel Wood: I see chat text blurred
* [12:50] Squirrel Wood: but only every 2nd line
* [12:50] Squirrel Wood: using 16x fsaa
* [12:50] Aric Linden: Question is around whether it's us or their local environment
* [12:50] Squirrel Wood: on nvidia 7950 gt on latest drivers
* [12:51] Harleen Gretzky: hmm, I am using 16x and not seeing it, I have nVidia 7800
* [12:51] Squirrel Wood: I'll attach screenshot
* [12:51] Alexa Linden: thanks squirrel
* [12:52] Aric Linden: iirc the 7950 is not a directly supported card
* [12:53] Alexa Linden: anything for me to do on this one?
* [12:53] Squirrel Wood: attached
* [12:53] Squirrel Wood: refresh to see
* [12:53] Aric Linden: let's find out if the card is directly supported - kona will know
* [12:53] Alexa Linden: k
* [12:53] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:54] Alexa Linden: and last for the day
* [12:54] Alexa Linden: VWR-2496[c
* [12:55] Squirrel Wood: Torley Linden - 17/Oct/07 03:41 PM
* This came up at our bug triage:
* [12:56] Aric Linden: bridie - isn't the 255+1 correct?
* [12:56] Aric Linden: that's what I recall from the internal triage discussion. Do you remember?
* [12:56] Bridie Linden: Sadly no, looking...
* [12:56] Aric Linden: I'd bet a donut on it
* [12:57] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:57] Aric Linden: or the ginger beer that alexa owes me
* [12:57] Alexa Linden: :)
* [12:57] Alexa Linden: a quick FYI
* [12:57] Alexa Linden: I'm out next monday on Vacation
* [12:57] Bridie Linden: needs to go...
* [12:57] Squirrel Wood: How can you!
* [12:57] Alexa Linden: but I'll have someone save the chat for me and will update everything on tuesday AM
* [12:58] Squirrel Wood: ^^
* [12:58] Alexa Linden: pokes Squirrel
* [12:58] Squirrel Wood: squeaks!
* [12:59] Alexa Linden: hmmm bridie crashed
* [12:59] Alexa Linden: I'll touch base with her and ask if she can find the answer to this last one
* [12:59] Alexa Linden: and then get her to post Aric?
* [12:59] Gellan Glenelg: and news on Battery Street Irregulars / when executables might start being available?
* [13:00] Gellan Glenelg: any*
* [13:00] Alexa Linden: Aric?
* [13:01] Alexa Linden: I know they're working on some of the details Gellan
* [13:01] Alexa Linden: I'll try to find out and let the group know
* [13:01] Gellan Glenelg: ty
* [13:01] Aric Linden: gotta run
* [13:01] Nya Linden: same. ty all!
* [13:01] Squirrel Wood: Cyas!
* [13:01] Aric Linden: see yall laters
* [13:01] Squirrel Wood: Squish them bugs! ^^
* [13:01] Alexa Linden: thank you all for coming and all your help!