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Minutes/2021-03-05

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Publicity
** Our LibrePlanet workshop has been accepted, though as the conference is only a couple weeks away we no longer have time to prepare for it. JE to e-mail the LibrePlanet organizers to withdraw the workshop submission. TM to do likewise with our presentation, for which we still haven't received any acceptance/rejection notice.
** JE raised the possibility of submitting our press release to Slashdot now that no other news outlets seem to have reacted to it. Agreed to do this after 8 April so that TM will also be available to participate in the discussion or answer enquiries.
* Administration
** Reminder of our meeting with Pia Mancini of OpenCollective next week. Everyone to prepare a list of questions/discussion items for the meeting.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-03-12

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Administration
** The Board met with Pia Mancini of Open Collective to discuss how things would work in practice. Summary of findings:
*** We must select a fiscal host (and be accepted by them on application). While payments and donations can be processed in many different currencies, each fiscal host may use a certain one internally, and so we should be mindful of currency conversion fees. For example, the Open Source Collective is US-based and deals internally in USD, whereas Open Collective Europe is based in Brussels and deals internally in EUR. Another thing to keep in mind is that different fiscal hosts may have different legal status, which can matter for the tax-deductibility of donations. (Open Source Collective is a registered non-profit but donations are not tax-deductible.)
*** Donations would be processed via a web page portal that is provided for us. We can accept one-off or recurring donations to our general fund. We can also accept donations for individual events. It is possible to see the list of top contributors, the budget, and individual transactions.
*** Anyone can submit receipts or invoices for reimbursement, which we would then have to review and approve/reject.
*** Pia said our case was interesting and so she would write us up for their newsletter if we join.
** It was agreed that Board members would independently investigate the various fiscal hosts (including Open Collective Europe and the Open Source Collective) and come back to the next meeting with the pros and cons of each.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-03-19

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Administration
** The Board discussed possible Open Collective fiscal hosts and agreed that Open Collective Europe seemed most appropriate. TM to register an organizational account and link it to JE's and RL's accounts.
* Publicity
** JE presented a set of T-shirt designs that we might use to raise funds; agreed to revisit the matter after the resolution of pending Open Collective issues
** TM reported that the Board's Twitter account seems to have been suspended (despite never having been used); TM to investigate
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-03-29

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Administration
** TM registered a collective on Open Collective for the Board, added JE and RL as members, and applied to and was accepted by Open Collective Europe as a fiscal host
** The meeting discussed what contributor tiers we want to have listed on Open Collective; it was agreed to cut the default €100/month tier
** The meeting discussed what expenses should be paid from the Open Collective account. It was agreed that priority should be given to hosting fees (domain name, web/mail hosting, news/shell access for moderation software, etc.). In the event of any significant surplus, the money could be applied to maintenance and further development of (Web)STUMP and to outreach activities such as attendance at technical conferences where members are presenting on behalf of the Board.
** JE to look into the T-shirt promotions offered by Open Collective. Also agreed that a Big-8-themed T-shirt would be offered to emeritus members who helped reconstitute the Board.
** JE to draft an announcement about the Board's Open Collective for posting on Usenet and circulate to the other members for comments
** JE suggested preparing an annual budget and publishing it on our wiki; agreed that this could be linked to from our Open Collective page and the Usenet announcement. Tentative budget:
*** Web/mail hosting: €12/month 
*** Domain name: €40/year
*** News/shell account: $100/year
** It was agreed that all expenses would be paid via Open Collective for the time being and that all current Board members would donate €80 to the collective to cover outstanding expenses
* Publicity
** TM reported that Twitter has unsuspended our account
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-04-09

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Administration
** JE was unable to draft the Open Collective announcement/budget; will do so before next meeting
* Misc
** JE received an e-mail from Ronda Hauben (co-author of Netizens) who is interested in the Board's work. Agreed that JE would invite her to meet us, possibly during one of our regular meetings.
* Outstanding issues:
** PC audio group RfD: JE to follow up
** STUMP development: RL/TM to possibly revisit next week
** Task forces: TM to follow up
* Next meeting
** TM said he wouldn't be able to attend the 16 and 23 April meetings at the regular time
** Agreed to reschedule the 16 April meeting to 13:00 CET and to discuss whether to cancel or reschedule the 23 April meeting at that time
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-04-16

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Administration
** JE has announcement/budget ready and will post on wiki; RL and TM to review it before we post it on Usenet
** TM has responded to Brain Edmonds re his working group involvements
** TM to set up the necessary working group infrastructure (mail forwarder, STUMP instance) and update the wiki pages by next meeting
* Newsgroups
** PC audio group RfD: JE wrote today and is waiting to hear back
* STUMP
** RL has confirmed the e-mail regexp issue will commit a fix; will continue to work on development/maintenance before next meeting
* Next meeting
** Agreed to cancel the 23 April meeting
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-04-30

Present: TM, RL
Apologies: JE
* Administration
** TM to prepare Open Collective announcement in case JE is not able to
** TM to compile list of outstanding tasks
* Infrastructure
** TM replied in the negative to a message from Bill Horne asking if we want to keep the Board's Google Workspace account
* (Web)STUMP
** TM noted that the (new) Google Groups interface fails to word-wrap submissions to Usenet, and that STUMP by default hard-wraps these at line 75. TM suggested adding an option to STUMP to do soft-wrapping. Agreed this would be entered into the STUMP issue tracker and assigned to RL.
** TM noted that (Web)STUMP places its rejection message at the end of the e-mail, where it is likely to be overlooked, and opened an issue recommending that the rejection message be inserted at the top of the e-mail instead.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-05-07

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Publicity
** TM: Moved JE's text on finances from Press releases/2020-11 to Finances and How to volunteer or donate, as it's probably better to have dedicated pages on these topics than to retroactively modify a timestamped press release
** TM: Finances need to be updated with domain registration fees
** Agreed on TM's draft announcement on the Board's finances, to be posted to and next week.
** JE: Will look into AMA on Reddit; report back next week
* Administration
** JE reported no response yet re pcdaw group
** TM reported on Russ Allbery's announcement of the new Big-8 signing key: JE to follow up on this for next meeting
* Misc
** TM: To-do list still to do ;)
** JE: No response yet from Rhonda Hauben
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-05-14

Present: TM, JE
* Publicity
** JE's report on hosting an AMA on Reddit:
*** All we need to do is start a new thread and then publicize it (elsewhere on Reddit/Internet)
*** Can't have more than one account answering questions
*** Defer scheduling until we get RL's input
** TM reported that he posted the announcement on the Board's finances to , :Nan:2021-05-10-board-finances, Twitter, and Facebook.
** TM recalled that in our meeting with Pia of Open Collective, she offered to do some sort of a write-up on us for the Open Collective newsletter. JE to e-mail her to take her up on this offer.
** The meeting discussed whether to post our press release to Slashdot; agreed to defer consideration of this until after we hear back from Pia.
** JE still to check on Open Collective merchandise options
* Administration
** No further response from Geoff Wood regarding the PCDAW proposal; agreed to defer the matter indefinitely.
** Big-8 signing key update
*** JE heard back from Julian via that the new experimental key seems to be working, but that they want to continue testing it a while longer
** Dead groups survey/removal
*** JE had previously reported no response to a public consultation, though it seems there has now been some pushback. JE still looking into the actual procedure that was used last time.
* Infrastructure
** JE reported that (Web)STUMP documentation restructuring/conversion to Texinfo is still underway.
* Misc
** The meeting reviewed the Board's open tasks and agreed to revisit the list once RL was present
** JE: No response yet from Ronda Hauben.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-05-21

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Publicity
** Reddit AMA
*** Agreed to schedule for next Friday from 21:00 to 22:00 CEST.
*** Agreed to keep in touch on Jitsi during meeting to coordinate who is answering which questions. Video call to start at 20:45 CEST.
*** JE to advertise on news.groups, , and r/Usenet
*** RL to advertise on Twitter
*** TM to advertise on Facebook
*** TM to produce advertising blurb. 
** Open Collective Newsletter
*** JE found internal documentation about the newsletter but this seems to be for the administrators; JE to get in touch with Pia about getting featured per her suggestion
** Open Collective merchandise options
*** JE reported he couldn't find the merchandising page we discussed before. But it should be possible to use any company for T-shirts, etc.
*** JE reported that direct PayPal payments to our Open Collective are complicated/expensive as the system is in beta; it would be better to find a company that would pay directly into our European Open Collective account. JE to try to find one that does SEPA payments.
* Administration
** Dead groups survey/removal
*** JE: Report on past procedure/policy pending
* Infrastructure
** RL reported that our PGPMoose setup on Panix has warned us that our own "List of Big Eight Newsgroups" post on news.announce.newgroups is a "possible forgery" due to an incorrectly formed X-Auth header, and that this appears to be a recurrence of the problem we discussed from 21–27 September 2020. RL wrote to Russ Allbery but has received no response yet; will write to Todd now.
** TM reported on Paul Schleck's suggestions on about the Board's activity.
** Paul also wrote by e-mail to alert us to a problem with news propagation on Panix from 7 to 12 May. This explains the delay in the Board's recent announcement to news.announce.newgroups.
** Paul also alerted to us to an offer by Panix of resources for STUMP development.
** TM to reply to Paul and to write to Panix asking for details.
** RL wrote to the uk.* folks regarding the STUMP fork and is awaiting a response
* Misc
** JE: no response from Ronda Hauben
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-05-28

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Publicity
** Reddit AMA
*** JE advertised on Usenet, Reddit, and Twitter; TM on Facebook; RL and TM promoted on social media
*** Agreed that JE to use his account to respond; RL and TM to send him text to post. Everyone should preface their comments with their identity.
*** Text of thread: TM to draft and circulate; will link to JE's wiki page as "proof"
** T-shirts
*** JE reported that spreadshirt.com seems promising and that he will follow up on whether/how their European bank transfers work.
** Open Collective newsletter: JE still to do
* Infrastructure
** TM reported that submissions have been disappearing from after arriving in (Web)STUMP but before being approved/rejected. RL to investigate and report back tonight.
** RL: Re warnings we received about the "forged" list of newsgroups, RL prodded Russ Alberry again as the messages are apparently coming from his site; no response so far. Will write to Todd if no response.
** RL reported that he wrote to the maintainers of the UK STUMP fork but received no response. From examining the many changes, much seems specific to their setup, but others are of general interest and candidates for merging into our official version. TM noted that we can do this without further notice/request because the code is GPL-licensed.
* Misc
** JE reported that he has heard back from Ronda Hauben and is starting a discussion
* Administration
** Dead groups removal
*** JE reported on the procedure used by a previous iteration of the Board: they identified 1000 newsgroups with no on-topic activity in past year. Normally removal is voted for or against on a group-by-group basis, with unanimity required for removal.
*** JE noted that many news servers these days don't honour rmgroup control messages, though apparently newgroup messages are still honoured.
*** The Board agreed to indefinitely defer any further discussion or action on dead groups removal, and that if the matter were ever revisited, to hold a public consultation before taking any action.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-06-04

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Publicity
** TM: Our Reddit AMA seems to have resulted in a spike in views (ca. 90) and engagements to our Facebook page posts 
** JE: Our Reddit AMA was a success, considering Usenet is a niche topic that few people nowadays have heard of outside of a means for piracy. The AMA currently has 225 upvotes with 89% of votes upvoted and 84 total comments.
** JE: We need a statement about what to put into the Open Collective newsletter. We can contact OC directly through their slack. Alanna Irving can help with the newsletter.
*** TM to review old newsletters and draft a submission
* Infrastructure
** TM: Asked Alexis Rosen of Panix about his offer of help and got a reply indicating that he could provide a test account, and mentioning that our continued use of procmail and ispell would likely prove to be headaches for him and for us, respectively.
*** TM to send a note of thanks and indicate that we will get back to him on the test account if/when we need it
* Administration
** The meeting noted articles from Adam Kerman on news.groups (, ) with some insightful comments and suggestions on terminology and new group proposal procedures (particularly as they relate to "boilerplate" text and moderator succession plans).
** E-mail from Paul Schleck re Group Mentors: TM to reply regarding membership
** E-mail from Paul Schleck re common arguments against moderated newsgroups: TM to reply
* Miscellaneous
** JE: Emailed Ronda Hauben with a fuller introduction into what we are doing and asked her if she would be interested in speaking with us about her work on Netizens.
** JE raised the suggestion of holding a one-day conference on Usenet and it was agreed that he would contact prospective speakers/attendees to gauge interest in the idea
** TM gave advance apologies for the 25 June and 2 July meetings
** JE gave advance apologies for the 2 and 9 July meetings
** It was agreed to cancel the 25 June and 2 July meetings; and for TM and RL to hold the 9 July meeting only if there are sufficient (or sufficiently urgent) agenda items to discuss
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-06-11

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Conference
** JE: OpenSUSE Conference was handled by Venueless; pricing is €499
** JE: Jitsi 8x8 emailed me and says that they can do it for €99. See JaaS Basic. I replied by email to ask how many people can be online at one time.
** JE: Feeler sent out by email. Agreed that TM and RL would review and revise.
* Misc
** TM and RL reported no further progress on outstanding issues due to other commitments
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-06-18

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Infrastructure
** JE: I did some research on control messages and Google Groups. It appears that Google is not adding new newsgroups even when they are created correctly and appear in the ISC newsgroup list.
** JE: Mail/Web server patched and rebooted last week.
* Misc
** JE: Response from Ronda Hauben agreeing to a conversation about Netizens and Usenet and asking for a suitable time and what topics we're interested in. TM and RL to send JE topics of interest for a reply.
** JE reminded the meeting that 'Netizens, the book Ronda wrote with her son Michael is available online.
* JE noted that Ronda and her husband have been producing the Amateur Computerist e-zine since 1988.
** RL reported that the Board had received an e-mail query about which groups are currently active, which he responded with data provided by JE
* Conference
** TM still to review the feeler message
* Administration
** TM still to reply to Paul Schleck and Panix
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-07-16

Present: RL, TM, JE
* Infrastructure
** RL: Russ Allbery has created a new control message signing key for Big-8 hierarchies and wants to send us a copy. RL asked him to do so via encrypted e-mail.
** RL: The PGPMoose problem with the "List of Big Eight Newsgroups" posts has been fixed according to Russ Allbery.
* Publicity/outreach
** JE: Conference feeler responses so far are on Board:Conference Feeler.
** JE: Discussion with Ronda Hauben tentatively scheduled for 23 July about Usenet and Netizens. Meet 30 minutes before if any business.
* Wiki
** JE: Wrote a guide on How to Find a Newsgroup Charter. Would appreciate any feedback. Suggested posting to .
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-07-23

Present: TM, JE, RL, Ronda Hauben, Jay Hauben
* With no urgent items of business on the agenda, the meeting instead discussed the past, present, and future of Usenet with guests Ronda and Jay Hauben, and also Ronda's 1997 book Netizens (co-written with Michael Hauben).
* TM gave notice of a public talk on Usenet he was giving (in a personal capacity) later that evening, hosted by the SPGB
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-07-30

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Wiki
** TM: Minor revisions to word/formatting of How to find a charter
** JE: Considered posting How to find a charter to , but this is a read-only group. Will investigate posting instead to the associated discussion group , and/or as a periodic post to 
* Infrastructure
** TM: All submissions to groups moderated by the Board are piped through stripmime, but contrary to that script's documentation, it doesn't deal properly with submissions using the quoted-printable content transfer encoding. I've written a replacement that could do with a code review and further testing. RL agreed to do this.
* Publicity
** TM: No progress yet on Open Collective newsletter, but on the to-do list for next week.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-08-06

Present: TM, RL
Apologies: JE
* Infrastructure
** RL reviewed TM's new mimestrip and identified a possible bug; TM fixed this and added a new test case. RL installed the code on Panix and TM edited the Procmail configuration to use mimestrip instead of stripmime.
** RL to continue STUMP development next week
* Publicity
** TM sent an enquiry to Alanna at Open Collective asking what length/format of material is required for the newsletter. No response yet.
* Administration
** JE: There is a small chance that we may be contacted for help setting up moderation for a couple of defunct managed newsgroups; see the "[ Moderated Newsgroups ] C and C++" thread () in .
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-08-13

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Infrastructure
** TM: For article submissions sent by e-mail to comp-ai@nan.users.panix.com, STUMP (sometimes?) sends a notification with the headersTo: tmiller@big-8.org, jsevans@big-8.org, rlucas@big-8.org
Subject: [??? ] Moderated Newsgroup Submission Received instead of To: tristan@logological.org
Subject: [comp.ai] Moderated Newsgroup Submission Received as expected.
*** RL: This is because of a moderator notification script called by our procmail setup. The script decides which moderators to notify based only on the Newsgroups: header, which is naturally missing from submissions sent via e-mail.
*** Agreed that RL would modify the notification script so that it contains a mapping of To addresses to newsgroups, and to use this to send the notification to moderators of all relevant groups.
* Publicity
** TM: B8MB featured on the Open Collective blog and newsletter
** JE to mention this on Reddit
* Finances
** TM: USD 100 donation from Open Collective
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-08-27

Present: TM, RL
* Infrastructure
** RL, TM: Moderator notification script still not correctly handling submissions without a "Newsgroup:" header, as evidenced by a (spam) submission to received on 2021-08-24. RL to investigate.
* Other
** TM on holiday all next week. Agreed to cancel next week's meeting.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-09-10

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Infrastructure:
** RL: Still working on moderation submission notification bug
** Publicity:
** JE: Wants to resume work on conference planning soon
* Scheduling:
** TM: Can't attend next week's meeting due to a conflicting appointment
** JE: May need to change meeting time due to work commitments
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-10-01

Present: TM, RL, JE
** Administration:
** JE: The Gemini mailing list is interested in creating a newsgroup which would be in the same category as the current . See Comp.infosystems.gemini_RFD for a draft.
*** The meeting agreed that JE should pursue this issue with the Gemini mailing list members and that ideally sponsorship of the proposal should be delegated to one of them so that we have better evidence that the community will sustain the newsgroup and so that all Board members can consider the proposal/RFD at arms length
* Infrastructure:
** RL: I've been doing misc. filesystem cleanup on Panix; have thankfully discovered that we're nowhere near filling our disk quota
* Misc:
** TM: Possibly will receive a funding decision on Usenet archive research project next week
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-10-08

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Administration
** Initial RFD for has been discussed and positively received
** JE to post a final RFD per the procedure at Final RFD / Last Call for Comments
* Infrastructure
** Problems with news.groups.proposals
*** One of the proponents for the above-noted RFD reported that a post to news.groups.proposals was not showing up.
*** The meeting investigated the problem and discovered pending messages in the STUMP moderation system (administered by Jonathan Kamens) about which the moderators had not been notified.
*** TM approved the pending messages (some of which dated back to January 2021) and will post an explanation on the newsgroup.
*** TM to write to JK about the notification problem.
*** RL to log into the ngp STUMP to check for pending messages at least once per day until the notification issue is resolved.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021