Viewer Evolution User Group/Archive/2011-05-20

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| 08:01 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| hey Oz
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ima Mechanique 
| Twisted, my solution is to revert to the 2.6.9-start tag until someone more knowledgeable fixes it ;-)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|draconis.neurocam 
| hello oz
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| "doesn't affect LL-released versions. " -- Why not? OpenJPEG vs. KDU?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Hi Oz
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Hi Oz
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| Good morning everyone (or whatever part of the day or night it is for you)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| Ima the OS comunity might have to get the stub functional to have a 'fix'
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| 08:02 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| what doesn't affect our versions?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| just turned morning here :)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| convexdecomposition stub?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| vwr-25815
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| ah
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| nod ardy
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ima Mechanique 
| the ERROR: LLViewerTextureList::addImageToList: ASSERT (mInitialized) on startup
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| 08:03 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| have to track down what's happening with that after this meeting
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| vwr-25815 < so the jira helper posts the link again
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Twisted Laws 
| it happens before llviewerwindow is initialized where the init is called
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| I think it's assigned to me, actually :-(
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| it is Oz
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ima Mechanique 
| hmm, JIRA helper is too smart Wolf
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| Snowstorm has loaned 2 devs to the mesh team
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| 08:04 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| VWR-25815
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| looks like it ima
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25815
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|JIRA-helper 
| VWR-25815 Crash during viewer startup: LLViewerTextureList::addImageToList 
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| anyway... to our agenda ....
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ima Mechanique 
| jira helper has a memory. better than mine sometimes ;-)
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| 08:05 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| We'll go down to do the New Topics first, but before we do, I have a teaser for you....
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| URL of agenda?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| my first SL video recording (well, the first one I'm showing to anyone)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| grats
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| agenda: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_Evolution_User_Group
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| 08:06 
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| This is a video showing crossing between two regions (this one and Hippo Hollow) with different Windlight settings : http://lindens.lindenlab.com/oz/WL_region_crossing.mov
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| 08:07 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| ooo
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Qie 
| nice!
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| 08:08 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Heh... opening that URL in the internal browser shows a Version 1.x style play/pause button. Very cool stuff, though!
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| the actual region boundary is roughly half way across that bridge, so there's a small delay
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ima Mechanique 
| wow, see that moon move
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| each setting transitions smoothly but quickly
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ima Mechanique 
| looks good
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| 08:09 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| I have mentioned those old buttons but kinda got ignored.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Much nicer than I might have suspected
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| so a moon that's up will quickly set (as in that video), etc
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| well done
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| I like the transition.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| We're getting pretty close to being able to put out a project viewer
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| 08:10 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| How many regions will have this enabled when that project viewer goes out?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Currently, moving form estate to estate with different time of day is an abrupt change.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| there are some schedule uncertainties, partly because I loaned a couple of developers to another team
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| 08:11 
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| Actually, all regions already support it in theory, but of course most have only the default settings
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| the project viewer will display any settings from the region (using the region settings is the default, which you can override as now)
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| 08:12 
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| we're re-doing the interface for editting WL settings so that it's more logically organized and a little simpler
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Windlight settings are per region, not per parcel?
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| 08:13 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| per region is all that the servers support
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| per parcel would be pretty jarring if you were moving around
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Yeah, I suppose the per region setting is actually an estate setting then so us mainland dwellers are out of luck.
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| 08:14 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| unless the Linden PW's people come through and change it
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| It does require Estate Manager rights, which you don't get on mainland
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Yeah, lots of stuff we don't get even though we have 4 regions.
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| 08:15 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| whether or not the Moles will mess with the settings on mainland is anyones guess :-)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Qie 
| umm... by any chance, are the estate windlight settings assets that might be exchanged? such that parcel owners (mainland or estate) could "offer them as suggestions" to visitors in some coherent way
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| 08:16 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| I wish, Qie.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| The first version we release won't support an exchangable setting, but it is something we are designing to support later
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Qie 
| okay. that's reassuring.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| we just don't want to hold up a release for that
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Qie 
| right! :)
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| 08:17 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| anyway.... watch this space for other news on that....
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| So ... to New Topics
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| VWR-4018 Texture animations ignore repeats per face (llTextureAnim())
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|JIRA-helper 
| http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4018
VWR-4018 Texture animations ignore repeats per face (llTextureAnim()) 
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| 08:19 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Yes, old bug is still annoying bug.
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| 08:20 
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| I ran into that when trying to make an animated "neon" sign for a bar.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Qie 
| (huh. This explains why lots of my old stuff broke, and why my independently stumbled-upon "workaround" was so flaky)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| I had to recreate the texture and give up image crispness.
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| 08:21 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| I had not seen this one before.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| THe result ended up so blurry we scrapped it and did something else.
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| 08:22 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| It would be helpful if someone would construct an object that demos it.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| I seem to have deleted it from my inventory too.
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| Hmm...
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| 08:23 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| If anyone knows who the Phoenix dev is that 'Toysoldier' refers to in the last comment, tell them to get in touch with me
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|104 
| is asking in Phoenix developer chat now.
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| 08:24 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Tonya Souther 
| is asking in Phoenix developer chat now.
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| 08:25 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| I've acked it and moved it to the product backlog, but if someone's going to work on it, then I'll move it to STORM and import the fix when ready
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| 08:26 
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| VWR-17022 Clicking The Clock should bring up events happening right now.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|JIRA-helper 
| http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17022
VWR-17022 Clicking on the current time in the Viewer should bring up events happening right now. 
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| The "Click the Clock" proposal of Crap Mariner's
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| That's a two-click operatin now, right?
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| Search > Events
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| 08:27 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| I believe so
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Kinda gets drowned out in that damn "Paid Classifieds" mess.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Techwolf Lupindo 
| I keep forgettting that SL has an event feature...
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Those clasifieds are not for events are they?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Techwolf Lupindo 
| Perhaps due to having to think about it and searching for hte events search box.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Techwolf - indeed
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| 08:28 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| According to the comments in the internal clone of that issue, someone is working on it.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| It is not clear what results clicking the clock should show -- there are so many different types that seeing them all displayed might be a bit much, unless the output floater is just a line by line display, as in v1 viewers
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| There are no details on how it's being done, though.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Hmmm
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| 08:29 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| It's someone in the search team (which makes sense).
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Techwolf Lupindo 
| I remmber when I first found the event listing. Played wiht it and seen it was destroyed by the spammers advertizing there "event" sales 24/7.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Qie 
| I think just bringing up the Events Search as-is would be close enough (well... assuming the whole Search UI is up for redesign now)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| I'll see if I can find out more for next week.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Yeah, the event listing in V1 was easier for me to read but LL doesn't want to hear that. My JIRA went down in FLAMES.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| Don't give up hope on search...
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| Not having 1 line per event entry is what makes v2 search hard for me -- it takes forever to scan
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| 08:30 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Thanks, Oz. Seems an easy use for what is now a dead space on the UI
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| STORM-942 Make texture blending deterministic to prevent terrain texture drift
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|JIRA-helper 
| http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-942
STORM-942 Make texture blending deterministic to prevent terrain texture drift 
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| 08:31 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Ah yes, that one makes multi-camera photoshoots really silly looking.
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| "Hey look! They are not even on the same beach!"
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| Hehe
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| THat's something I've seen since at least '07. Ground testures are not constant, shift per viewer, and also often do not mate the "no higher than x setting an estate manager can place
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| Ardy "Beach? I don't see a beach here"
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| 08:32 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Perlin noise generator at play here?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| (Which was how I first discovered the issue)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| guesses
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| yes, that's the issue, Ardy
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| From what Igathered from Andrew, Ardy
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Qie 
| makes terraforming an Atoll beach, with that funky technicolor terrain, a fool's errand.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Yeah, I probably was there when Andrew said it. I don't know what it means.
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| Andrew said we need a common seed for all fiewers to use.
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| viewers
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Heh, me too Ardy. A known seed
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| It would be interesting to do some experiments with whether or not providing a seed from the region would produce stable results across different viewers
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| 08:34 
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| One way to do that experiment would be to temporarily add a fixed seed, then build multiple viewers with it, edit a region and see if everyone ends up seeing the same thing
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Is that seed generated within the viewer from some psudorandom elements?
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| 08:35 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Qie 
| internally hash the region ID to derive a stable seed?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| I don't know where the current seed comes from, Ardy
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| well, if a stable seed produces stable results, then we could store the seed in the region
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| 08:36 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Techwolf Lupindo 
| Need a consentent stable seed that doesn't changed so if regine restarts doen't cause it to look differnet all of a sudden.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| LLPerlinNoise::init(void)
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| Calls rand() several times
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| that way, each time you edit the region you could optionally regenerate the texture map (in fact, generate a new seed) until you got one you liked, then save it
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| 08:37 
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| but it's not worth doing the work to store the seed unless we can determine that the results are visually at least very similar on different platforms
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Andrews also expressed a strong desire to return to using higher resolution terrain textures.
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| 08:38 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Techwolf Lupindo 
| Yes. Victor is very fustrated with Aggro ground textures due to that.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| SL used to have very high resolution terrain textures.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Techwolf Lupindo 
| uses a few hacks to get the ground textrue to look right.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| I remember seeing screenshots from an 8 year old resident that showed them.
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| 08:39 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Ya, Ardy. They can be... disappointingly low rez at times.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| If someone is interested in doing some experiments with the randomness, I'll build multi-platform viewers with it.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Noticed that with the "grass and flowers" look we have on Livingtree now. Ends up making it looks not fully rezzed in some shots
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| should be an easy enough experiment to do
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| 08:40 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| I'd be game on assisting, if need be. Not sure what I'd need to do, but it's bugged me long enough...
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| talk to me after, Marianne...
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| 08:41 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| okay
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Well, when you do, watch the clouds closely. They seem to use noise too.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| next: VWR-20081 "Emergency Grid Broadcast System"
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|JIRA-helper 
| http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-20081
VWR-20081 Emergency Grid Broadcast System 
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Ah... my greedy little idea.
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| 08:42 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Heh, not long ago somebody accidentally sent a meeting invitation to "everybody". I guess that caused some congestion and confusion. :-)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| couldn't that be delivered via rss?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| It would seem
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"| 
| Ardy - yes. That was to Michael Linden's old office hour in Shamon
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| 08:43 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Hmm... somebody else did it too. Blondin I think.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Likely
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| I'll ask Support and Ops what they think....
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| And I have seen another mention of wanting grid status displayed in the viewer.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Thanks, Oz.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| having in world communication for grid status updates is a good idea
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| 08:44 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| I use a scripted widget in my workroom to give me that now. saves my butt to know from that when assets are going pear shaped
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| in order to check the current grid status you either have to be in a group like awg or break immersion to check the page every so often
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"| 
| ^.^
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"| 
| nice
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Haravikk 
| Crap, majorly late as my calendar reminder didn't trigger for some reason. Anyway, I just wanted to add to VWR-4018 that any object with texture animation can demonstrate the issue so long as the animated side(s) have texture repeats other than <1.0, 1.0>. Unfortunately there's no way to trigger the issue that I know of, it just happens seemingly randomly. My best working theory is that the code for texture animations takes a copy of the values it needs to animate, and is becoming out-of-sync with the texture repeats value(s)
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| 08:45 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| it wouldn't be hard to prototype this, if you limited it to polling the rss feed at some frequency
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| nods
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| polling? :/
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| 08:46 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|oobscure 
| i wonder how many "normal" users would understand / pay attention to grid status updates
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| I know somebody that used to use a script to poll stats for number of users logged in and sound an alarm when it dropped sharply.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Heh
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Unfortunately he hasn't been around since December 10th.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| i have a grid watch hud for grid status
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| 08:47 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|oobscure 
| another point is, by the time a status update is published on the blog, you usually may already have screwed up something
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| Whether or not polling is the right long term solution is an issue to think about, but it's certainly fine for a prototype to evaluate the user experience
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| That doesnt sound like a good reason to not warn people
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| mm
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| well, there are updates like rolling restarts that would benefit
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| 08:48 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| i wish grid status and other things was in the home tab
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| I would suggest a different icon to an envelope though
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|oobscure 
| Oz +1 and Wolfpup +1
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| Yellow triangle with a !
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| There is a menu bar color flag now. What is that used for?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|draconis.neurocam 
| the home tab is theoretically just a website, and i believe the url entry is in a debug setting, so someone could make a webpage and replace the home tab personally, theoretically at least
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| 08:49 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| I never pick icons... there are people who are paid to make those mistakes... uh.... decsions.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| Ardy that is for when the lindens go into god mod
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| you could also have it deliever the RSS feed if the user clicks on the symbol
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Perhaps. I'd be more keen on seeing the information given more visibility than having to head to the sidebar
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Qie 
| right, Marianne
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| If there's a tornado heading my way, the cable box doesn't show me a warnign icon... it scrolls on my screen
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| you could have it flicker the home tab when there is an update
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| yap
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|oobscure 
| that'd be cool
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| 08:50 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| and there is a sound to go with it
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| and iritating beep
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| depending on the post
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Well, any event the viewer knows about it can trigger a sound and/or a notification, even an entry in chat history.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| ^.^
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| 08:51 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| great.... we don't get beaten up enough for the intrusiveness of the v2 UI, and y'all want to add flashing colors and annoying beeps?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| lol
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|oobscure 
| heheheee
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| who said flashing?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| you're supposed to be helping here...
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Well, I don't know what we want yet. ;-)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| Oz - so asking for "Clipy" would be a bit much, then?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| the vieewer could even post a notice to nearby chat saying to check the home tab as there is an imortant message
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|oobscure 
| xD
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| just remember - I'm going to post this archive, and when people complain, I'm going to blame _you_ :-)
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| 08:52 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| Maybe just having a noticeable icon appear would suffice
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| lol
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| WE used to get a notification in the upper right corner AND a line in local chat.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| i said flicker not flashing
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| llDialog(rss feed post1)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|oobscure 
| anyway i guess such a feature should be optional
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| 08:53 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Just do NOT make it something that takes UI focus and has to be ack'd.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| avoid flicker even, anything more than 3 changes per second can cause an epileptic siezure (according to WCAG2)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Techwolf Lupindo 
| The RSS feed or whatever that gets the data should be either restricted to problems or coded in such a way that the client can only "scream" when there is actually IS a problem with the grid. No notices should trigger it, "The boy who cryed wolf" syndrome.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Qie 
| a yellow "⚠" icon in the menubar would be a start. scrolling the text across the vast expanse of empty menubar space might be an option.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| There are a number of possible UIs for the alerts, from local chat to various sorts of popups or overlays
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| (Oz, Toysoldier has just added a comment to vwr-4018)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Marianne McCann 
| At least turn-offable, Opensource. But don'twe want users to know where there a systemwide issue?
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| 08:54 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| the thing to do would be to build the backend to get the notices, and then experiment with different frontends for displaying them
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| I think this is why Oz was saying to prototype it
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|oobscure 
| yeah Mari, personally i'd want it and keep it enabled
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| i would say having it flicker @ 2/sec would be enough
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| (chat lag)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Haravikk 
| What about a thin bar that slides down from the menu bar, with the usual click to dismiss? Certainly for region-specific issues, like an imminent restart
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| There might be other uses a user would want to send into a scrolling region at the top of the screen, too, feeds from who knows where
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| 08:55 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| How about making it in the form of a bottom-bar button we can hide/show/sort and press to get details?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Haravikk 
| For general purpose feeds surely the main notifications area is for precisely that kind of thing?
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|The Raptor 
| K.I.S.S
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Maybe the button can change appearance when there are details to show?
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| 08:56 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| ok... we're running out of time, so let me look at the ongoing stuff....
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Ardy Lay 
| Hehe
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| Marianne this might be some thing that is more of an advanced setting and not for the basic user
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Techwolf Lupindo 
| The "⚠" icon would appear and flash slowly untill the user clicks on it and a popup shows the details. User click it close and the icon stay on full time, no blicking.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| media filters.... on my plate to fix the test it broke (been busy w/ windlight)
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"| 
| inventory exchange... no progress :-(
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| 08:58 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"| 
| Display name caching.... I'm pretty sure someone's going to work on this shortly
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Haravikk 
| Sweet, I think it's just a timezone glitch
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Wolfpup 
| i think there has already been some owrk along those lines
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| 08:59 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"| 
| i have seen commits for DN improvements
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| the various interface de-cluttering suggestions.... I've passed these on to our UX team, who are doing a lot of thinking about related stuff, so watch this space....
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Techwolf Lupindo 
| Too bad display name cacheing wasn't in place when it was rolled out day before x-mas, might have would avoid some issues.
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|oobscure 
| I'm adding VWR-25321 and VWR-25363 to agenda for consideration in future meetings
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|JIRA-helper 
| http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25321
VWR-25321 Make user aware of the "CTRL + Up/Down Arrow" feature (which scrolls back message history) 
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"| 
| http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25363
VWR-25363 Expose "Duplicate Object" feature in Viewer 2 (regression from 1.x) 
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| actually, the names are cached... I don't know what the genesis of that problem is
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| 09:00 
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| ok oobscure
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Haravikk 
| I commented on VWR-4018 with regards to test object(s), the problem is there's no solid repro that I know of
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|JIRA-helper 
| http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4018
VWR-4018 Texture animations ignore repeats per face (llTextureAnim()) 
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Haravikk 
| It just eventually happens for whatever reason
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Jonathan 
| Haravikk, did you read the comment just entered a few minutes ago?
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| 09:01 
| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| the VWR-25714 .... no update on that....
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|JIRA-helper 
| http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25714
VWR-25714 Poor responsiveness of Profile and IM buttons in People search 
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"|Oz Linden 
| I saw that comment from Toysoldier ... will check it out
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| style="white-space:nowrap;"| 
| loves SL art galleries anyway