Adult Content User Group/10/10/2011

==Attendees List==
*Celierra Darling (celierra.darling)
*Couldbe (couldbe)
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*Hypatia Meili (hypatia.meili)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Nal (nal)
*Silvanus (silvanus)
*Viale Linden (viale.linden)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
==Transcript for Monday October 10, 2011==
[10:00]	Counter Landfall	Evening Couldbe
[10:00]	Couldbe 	Hi everyone
[10:00]	Innula Zenovka 	Hi, Couldbe
[10:00]	Viale Linden 	Hi Couldbe and Zada
[10:01]	Silvanus 	yoyoyo hi all
[10:01]	Zada Bury 	heya Sil ^_^ (Sil heya ^ _ ^)
[10:01]	Viale Linden 	Unfortunately, we did not receive any agenda items from last week
[10:01]	Counter Landfall	Hello Silvanus
[10:01]	Silvanus 	Hi Counter
[10:02]	Viale Linden 	Hi Silvanus
[10:02]	Silvanus 	hi Viale (hi Avenue)
[10:02]	Counter Landfall	I guess we are waiting for the big announcement ;-)
[10:02]	Silvanus 	I see they put a beard on you instead of a cigarette
[10:02]	Zada Bury 	mmm ... an upsep Anubis have eaten my one ... *whistels*
[10:02]	Viale Linden 	Still working on that
[10:02]	Counter Landfall	ah, ok
[10:02]	Viale Linden 	Hi Nal
[10:03]	Nal 	Hi Viale (Hi Avenue)
[10:03]	Viale Linden 	Thanks for updates to user group page
[10:03]	Viale Linden 	Unfortunately no agenda items came in
[10:03]	Nal 	yw...
[10:03]	Innula Zenovka 	Hi, Nal
[10:03]	Counter Landfall	Hi, Nal
[10:03]	Nal 	You mean via email?
[10:03]	Counter Landfall	Hi Hypatia
[10:03]	Viale Linden 	nada (nothing)
[10:03]	Hypatia Meili 	HI everyone
[10:04]	Silvanus 	Hi Hype
[10:04]	Viale Linden 	I will keep this a short meeting given the agenda
[10:04]	Innula Zenovka 	any news getting someone from the marketplace or that Snapzilla-like idea you were talking about at the end of last week?
[10:04]	Viale Linden 	First and foremost
[10:04]	Nal 	Hi Innula...
[10:04]	Viale Linden 	No update on the Welcome proposal. still working on that'
[10:05]	Silvanus 	good thing needs time ; )
[10:05]	Viale Linden 	Marketplace has asked for some time
[10:05]	Nal 	Was the big blogosphere then a hoax?
[10:05]	Hypatia Meili 	is ther a market place meeting
[10:05]	Viale Linden 	Yes, doesnt happen overnite
[10:05]	Hypatia Meili 	it has some issues
[10:05]	Viale Linden 	Commerce Forums (Trade Forums)
[10:06]	Hypatia Meili 	so forums on that then no user group?
[10:06]	Viale Linden 	I wanted to bring up the idea of making this meeting more asynchronous and to promote more dialogue
[10:06]	Viale Linden 	Last week, someone mentioned Forums
[10:07]	Viale Linden 	I think we should meet but less frequently in person as the agenda dries up
[10:07]	Viale Linden 	Wanted to get your feeddback on this
[10:07]	Counter Landfall	froum discussions are fine as long as they don't replace regular meets
[10:08]	Viale Linden 	This is also a hard time for all to meet
[10:08]	Hypatia Meili 	well we seemd to have lost the abity to submit agenda items
[10:08]	Silvanus 	hmm maybe the residents take a deep breathe actual to recover and ready to start for the fall and winter busy months
[10:08]	Viale Linden 	There have some concerns that this meeting disenfranchises people
[10:08]	Nal 	The agenda drying up is to be expected if it is via email... I'm pretty sure few people expect that.
[10:09]	Counter Landfall	to what extent Viale?
[10:09]	Celierra Darling	[2011/10/10 Don't mind me, just curious! :) ]
[10:10]	Viale Linden 	some Residents have schedule conflicts and feel their concerns are not addressed. Also others do not like the town hall format
[10:10]	Counter Landfall	right
[10:10]	Zada Bury 	Mmmm ... "Less meating" will cause people "forget the meeting" ... better it would be "shorter meeting, if nothing on ... 60 minutes plnaed ... not on agenda, reduce to 30 min
[10:10]	Counter Landfall	this meeting really serves 3 purposes which are different
[10:10]	Silvanus 	yes Zada, Viale said he will do a short one today
[10:11]	Counter Landfall	one is the direct customer - service provider aspect with you as our client rep
[10:11]	Counter Landfall	the second is the user group aspect
[10:11]	Counter Landfall	the third is the community aspect
[10:11]	Viale Linden 	I think we should still meet but less frequently
[10:11]	Counter Landfall	they don't always combine well in the same format
[10:11]	Couldbe 	you seem to have already made your mind up what you want to do, so why don't you just tell us?
[10:12]	Hypatia Meili 	are th forums any more usable then they wer few months ago, alotof us gave up on them, to buggy
[10:12]	Innula Zenovka 	and can we have some provision for extraordinary meetings as and when they seem appropriate?
[10:12]	Viale Linden 	If we created a forum for this group - what would be good name that doesnt cause confusion. I was thinking Adult Content Users Froum
[10:12]	Counter Landfall	lacking a devloper ciommunity (formalized by LL) the customer rep role you have is important to maintain
[10:12]	Counter Landfall	or client rep rather
[10:12]	Viale Linden 	I agree Counter
[10:13]	Viale Linden 	I want to still meet, but have an open dialogue on the forums
[10:13]	Hypatia Meili 	its just seem alltoher routs to adres concerns ar already in efective (Its just seem alltoher routs to address concerns ar already in efective)
[10:13]	Counter Landfall	people with commercial interests have different needs than those wanting free resources and a community focus
[10:14]	Counter Landfall	there is a larger proportion of commercial interests in Zindra than most places given how it was populated
[10:14]	Viale Linden 	Do we think the Alliance and Expo groups would welcome a forum?
[10:14]	Hypatia Meili 	for on thing i thin it needs to be posble to submit a help tickets that doen t fit the predfined boxes, som times you cant find wher to go with a problem
[10:15]	Counter Landfall	yes
[10:15]	Hypatia Meili 	not as replacement an addition yes
[10:15]	Silvanus 	Viale, is LL working on the ToS too, some more details, when they start to push the Adult-section, or are the ToS parts about Adult-rules already worked out enough?
[10:15]	Viale Linden 	Does anyone here represent Expo - they stopped coming after their August event
[10:16]	Counter Landfall	I am member of the group but don't represent it any more than anyone else here
[10:16]	Viale Linden 	Yes, Silvanus - the forum would be PG and not A content per se (Yes, Silvanus - the forum Would Be A PG content and not for himself)
[10:16]	Couldbe 	only ginette could be considered a representative. it's her group
[10:17]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[10:17]	Nal 	I think Ginette's group will go its own way.
[10:17]	Counter Landfall	tehcnically it is a Linden group as all the owners are Linden staff
[10:17]	Hypatia Meili 	what does that actuly mean PG seesmto be aplied difrent in difren section of SL
[10:17]	Viale Linden 	Nal - what does that mean?
[10:17]	Hypatia Meili 	forum market and inworld
[10:17]	Counter Landfall	when will that separation happen Viale? (When Will That separation Avenue happen?)
[10:18]	Innula Zenovka 	I hope this forum will be open to everyone.. I thought the old one, by invite only... was a waste of time,
[10:18]	Counter Landfall	or will it remain a Linden owned group?
[10:18]	Hypatia Meili 	adult iuser group as pg forum , we need to be able to metionth prblems , but we dont ned tobe explicit
[10:18]	Nal 	Gine is frustrated. I think she'll spin off a group to handle her issues and accomplish ehr and the groups goals.
[10:18]	Viale Linden 	Agree - Innula
[10:18]	Viale Linden 	I just mean it should be a professional discussion and not an adult forum for fantasy
[10:19]	Counter Landfall	agreed Viale
[10:19]	Innula Zenovka 	yes
[10:19]	Viale Linden 	We will need to make that clear
[10:19]	Hypatia Meili 	yes i just hope who ever censor it understands what to actualy censor
[10:19]	Viale Linden 	Yes
[10:19]	Hypatia Meili 	and not delte actual relvant topics (og ikke shared Actual relvant topics)
[10:20]	Hypatia Meili 	ive noticed a bit of one hand not knowing what the other is doing in LL
[10:20]	Viale Linden 	It will be a learning process for the Mods
[10:20]	Innula Zenovka 	Innula Zenovka admires Hypatia's gift for understatement..
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[10:20]	Viale Linden 	Haypatia - can you give examples?
[10:21]	Silvanus 	my right hand doenst know what the left does while I try to put a nail into the wall too
[10:21]	Hypatia Meili 	not off hand acept on glaring one from the adult move
[10:21]	Hypatia Meili 	ive seen other
[10:22]	Hypatia Meili 	one group could not move (luckly they got it fixed late)
[10:22]	Hypatia Meili 	be cause th linden handling ther move isisted that the person making the reques need tobe th orgianl group creator
[10:22]	Hypatia Meili 	not the curen user
[10:22]	Innula Zenovka 	and more recently.. there was that video about age verification i bored everyone about that contained glaring factual errors
[10:23]	Viale Linden 	Well that decison was made a long time ago. Your statement made it sound like there was some hypocrisy.
[10:23]	Hypatia Meili 	the person hadling that case was not aware of th actul rules
[10:23]	Hypatia Meili 	i don thinkit was delbrate tho
[10:23]	Hypatia Meili 	and alsohow groups and land work
[10:25]	Viale Linden 	OK. I will look into an Adult Forum and discuss with Mods. Lets agree to meet in 2 weeks
[10:25]	Hypatia Meili 	its be come a bt of a joke , not sure who first said this "ask 2 lindens get 4 diffrent answers"
[10:25]	Counter Landfall	I think a forum will be most effective if it focus on conent creation, commernce, policies and possibly events (?)
[10:25]	Counter Landfall	and maybe spelling....
[10:26]	Silvanus 	well even if 2 ppl are speaking the same language, they use different words to express the same thing
[10:26]	Viale Linden 	I like that counter
[10:26]	Viale Linden 	It will give good content guidance
[10:26]	Counter Landfall	exactly
[10:26]	Hypatia Meili 	remove trol post but dont delte relvant threds becaus if it please (remove control post but dont split relvant Threde becaus if it tak)
[10:26]	Zada Bury 	I need to checck somethingurgendt... BRB (I need two checck somethingurgendt ... BRB)
[10:27]	Hypatia Meili 	i hate the trols but hate the over kill
[10:27]	Innula Zenovka 	I'm not sure about content creation.. i mean, a scripting or mesh or animation question belongs in the appropriate forum, I'd have thought, regardless of what you're making
[10:27]	Couldbe 	what about making it so only Lindens can create threads asking for opinions - like the blog. that way you can control the conversation
[10:27]	Nal 	Hypatia, have you ever moderated af orum and tried to decide what was and was not trolling? Expect problems.
[10:27]	Counter Landfall	content creation is not just stuff, but also experiences
[10:27]	Hypatia Meili 	it should be about whats apropriate for adult and problem acesing promotin inadult
[10:27]	Counter Landfall	which can be adult, yeh?
[10:28]	Hypatia Meili 	yes
[10:28]	Viale Linden 	events will be important, but opens the door to spam
[10:28]	Hypatia Meili 	i was a online game GM and forum moderator
[10:28]	Hypatia Meili 	i wont say which be cause i dont want a public conection
[10:29]	Counter Landfall	I also think content creation in an adult context include discussion on how to classify creations
[10:29]	Nal 	Then I suspect you know our SL mods will have problems...
[10:29]	Viale Linden 	Lets give it a try
[10:29]	Hypatia Meili 	yes, we used anif not sure ask th other mods opions , thru an interanl forum
[10:29]	Viale Linden 	may be bumpy, but I think it will be a good community builder
[10:30]	Silvanus 	I am visiting these meetings a bit over a year, and often there is too much negotiation, not seeing the positive things and focus on them. Shit will always happen, but to focus on makeable things a keep the language/spelling constructive would do good for reaching the goal
[10:30]	Viale Linden 	some of our best Residents are Adult folks and I want to make sure they have a sense of community
[10:30]	Hypatia Meili 	that event spam neds revision
[10:31]	Hypatia Meili 	not sure who to talk to tho
[10:31]	Viale Linden 	Good comment Lord of dee
[10:31]	Viale Linden 	How many time should someone be able to post a day in your mind>?
[10:31]	Counter Landfall	is it possible to descibe adult content porperly in the general forum without getting bleeped over?
[10:32]	Viale Linden 	@ counter - this is something Ineed to research
[10:32]	Counter Landfall	I think filtered words apply there?
[10:32]	Nal 	Can one set posting rates for section os the forum? If one sets to low a daily rate those working in Answers get slammed.
[10:33]	Hypatia Meili 	PG should mean whatit mor normaly means not what th PG searchand sim zoning means
[10:33]	Innula Zenovka 	that sounds a bit artificial, particularly if there's a discussion going on
[10:33]	Nal 	I can post 4 to 12 answers in a day...
[10:33]	Hypatia Meili 	2 may make it hard to reply
[10:33]	Viale Linden 	Comments should be fine, but you are referring to starting posts?
[10:33]	Innula Zenovka 	right..sorry.. that sounds more reasonable
[10:34]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[10:34]	Hypatia Meili 	oh! event posting not sure wher to go to discus that. i disagre tho peol wanto post for th wek not every day for tomoorw
[10:34]	Nal 	That is beter, but how does one tell the difference from a post on a topic and an event? I assume that would be moderator work?
[10:34]	Viale Linden 	I will try to get this started. I need to circulate internally too
[10:35]	Counter Landfall	good work
[10:35]	Viale Linden 	Destination Guide, Welcome area and now forums
[10:35]	Hypatia Meili 	thats mora mater of if its advertising as such
[10:35]	Viale Linden 	Progress
[10:36]	Innula Zenovka 	i've seen more active graveyards, ciaran
[10:36]	Viale Linden 	Funny
[10:36]	Hypatia Meili 	wellrign now allth grave yard in SL ar active , with Hallowen coming up :))
[10:37]	Viale Linden 	The old forum was doomed from the start
[10:37]	Counter Landfall	when was this forum present. I have never seen it
[10:37]	Viale Linden 	entry was controlled by a Linden
[10:37]	Counter Landfall	aha
[10:37]	Counter Landfall	explains it
[10:37]	Hypatia Meili 	When wilwe hear about whos geting the adul gateway etc
[10:38]	Hypatia Meili 	and what that entails
[10:38]	Viale Linden 	I want to open up the conversation and try to mode it
[10:38]	Viale Linden 	Mod it (Towards IT)
[10:38]	Viale Linden 	Hypatia = paperwork
[10:38]	Viale Linden 	moving as fast as I can on that
[10:39]	Hypatia Meili 	ther been a question. i am afraid to ask. will Vorrtex continue as seprate entity, or is thatincluded
[10:39]	Viale Linden 	If the forum starts, I will need yall to help me so it doesnt get misused
[10:40]	Innula Zenovka 	indeed so
[10:40]	Viale Linden 	Hypatia ~ pls explain
[10:40]	Counter Landfall	i am sure we can do that
[10:40]	Viale Linden 	You guys are a great team
[10:40]	Nal 	A forum that doesn't get miss used... and how will we prevent misuse or stop it?
[10:40]	Hypatia Meili 	ther has ben som questionas to wether th zindra help vortex sandbox is tobe part of th adullt gate way
[10:40]	Zada Bury 	(( sorry) ))
[10:41]	Hypatia Meili 	and if those curently handng it wil sudnly be out of the picture
[10:41]	Hypatia Meili 	it is seprate group tho some of thpeol ar also ivolved in zexpo
[10:41]	Viale Linden 	Vortex will continue to be an open sandbox for all users
[10:42]	Viale Linden 	very necessary
[10:42]	Innula Zenovka 	Nal, it's hardly the same thing, but over in scripting tips and the scripting library, the regulars make a point of asking for posts to be moved to the right forum, and for obvious spam to be removed, and it happens pretty quickly
[10:42]	Hypatia Meili 	and under nominal cotrol of th currnt group, not part of the adult gateway
[10:42]	Viale Linden 	Ok - lets meet again 10/31 and I will update you on progress if anything happens in between
[10:42]	Hypatia Meili 	?
[10:43]	Viale Linden 	I usually post on User group and IM to Alliance and Expo groups
[10:43]	Couldbe 	so the next meeting is in three week's time?
[10:43]	Counter Landfall	better if you post a group note to ZA Viale, so everyone can see it
[10:43]	Viale Linden 	Innula - I can reach out to you
[10:43]	Innula Zenovka 	thank you
[10:44]	Viale Linden 	Sorry - 10/24
[10:44]	Innula Zenovka 	though i do watch the user group page
[10:44]	Silvanus 	: )
[10:44]	Viale Linden 	10/24 will be our next meeting
[10:44]	Viale Linden 	Thanks all - light agenda today
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