Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2010-09-02

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on September 2nd, 2010
= Agenda =
== Discuss resolution of previous open items ==
== Updates ==
The new ADITI account update process.
* You can update your ADITI account at your leisure!
** What you say?! :-o
*** It's all true: https://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Preview_Grid#Updating_Your_Account_on_Aditi
New Deploy Process
* Recap of the KCP by none other than Lil Linden, Master of Releases.
* Oskar's Preposterous Plan - OPP
** You down with OPP?
** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgwsWPVxDzg
Display Names in Public Beta now
* Official Blog: http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/08/31/display-names-project-viewer-now-available
* How is LSL affected Display Names: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Display_Names/LSL
* Who has tried it? Thoughts?
TCMalloc discussion
* Someone has been editing my wiki and changing my format!!
* ADITI has been updated with new TCMalloc code. Let's poke.
Helping Ambroff test some fixed bugs
* Ambroff has details, but requests your presence for an after hours pile-on over in the region .
* http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/AgentPresenceTests
== Releases ==
== Any other business ==
What you want to talk about goes here
* Why is this not fixed yet No "accepted/declined inventory" notice
* Any word on when People getting past Estate and Land bans Gets shipped?
* What about Groups notices sent to email do not identify sender ?
= Resolved Items =
= Meeting Minutes =
= Transcript =
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for September 2nd, 2010:
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: good afternoon
* [15:00] Motor Loon: ellooo
* [15:01] Ichi Merit: hi hi
* [15:01] Latif Khalifa: hello fellow clouds
* [15:01] Faust Vollmar: I give it 10 minutes before I bsod out.
* [15:01] Frans Charming: Hello Oskar
* [15:01] SHAMUS Carter: hi oskar
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: hey guys
* [15:01] Motor Loon: getting coffee.... everybody hold your breath
* [15:01] Chaley May: i just had to check if im still married :)
* [15:01] RedMokum Bravin: Good afternoon (midnight here... ghosts just started howling)
* [15:01] Napanickg Halderman: :P
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: how is everyone today?
* [15:02] Chaley May: disappointed
* [15:02] SHAMUS Carter: so far so good
* [15:02] Serenity Rosencrans: fine how are you oskar?
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: I am fantabulous
* [15:02] Lares Carter: doing okay
* [15:02] Faust Vollmar: It's too hot where I live. D=
* [15:02] Chaley May: no longer Chaley Linden
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: here is a link to the agenda
* [15:02] Motor Loon: 2 days to vacation so... yaay
* [15:02] RedMokum Bravin: Faust: wanna trade? :-)
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours#Agenda
* [15:02] Faust Vollmar: Red: Depends on how cold, exactly. =p
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: we have a nice little lineup for you today
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: here's maestro
* [15:03] Motor Loon: its so EXCITING!
* [15:03] Frans Charming: Oskar, Is display names turned off here?
* [15:03] RedMokum Bravin: 54 degrees I think (but we use metrics)
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: we will start with the new account update process
* [15:03] RedMokum Bravin: And it's rainy.
* [15:03] Flynn Tigerpaw: my display name is gone too
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: it is now in place
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: thanks MUCH to Ambroff
* [15:03] Frans Charming: :)
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: there is info on that here
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Preview_Grid#Updating_Your_Account_on_Aditi
* [15:03] Motor Loon: That was not a bad idea at all Oskar
* [15:03] SHAMUS Carter: cool
* [15:04] Latif Khalifa: yeah Ambroff did some awesome work
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: it's been a little slow to get caught up with all the agni changes
* [15:04] Ambroff Linden: it's fully caught up now
* [15:04] SHAMUS Carter: yess amboff is my hero
* [15:04] Maestro Linden: Frans: yeah, display names is turned off on this simulator
* [15:04] Ambroff Linden: so there will be nightly copies
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: ambroff had a pile fo spre machines churning through the accounts
* [15:04] RedMokum Bravin: However my display picture which I updated on this side has become black and white?
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: it might be frans
* [15:04] Motor Loon: I would have preferred a button to push... but the password change will do I guess ;-)
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: we have a new server version here
* [15:04] Latif Khalifa: Ambroff, you get hero badge for getting rid of the 5 min lockout at random times :)
* [15:04] Maestro Linden: Most other regions (in the Beta Server channel at least) should have display names on though
* [15:05] Ambroff Linden: Latif: we'll see if it works :)
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: I button would have been awesome, but I am glad to have something in place now as opposed to a button 6 months from now
* [15:05] Motor Loon: oh yes
* [15:05] Motor Loon: no shit
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: let me know how well that works in the coming weeks and months
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: and next topic is our new deploy process
* [15:05] Maestro Linden: was late to this meeting due to a 5min lockout =P
* [15:06] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: Lil is here to talk about that
* [15:06] Marigold Devin: tuts - too many scripted items Maestro
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: or lil should be dropping in
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: any minute now
* [15:06] Motor Loon: shes here
* [15:06] Motor Loon: somewhere
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: lil as you know is the Master of Releases
* [15:06] Frans Charming: There he is
* [15:06] Frans Charming: Comfy
* [15:06] Lil Linden: howdy all
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: He's going to give a top down view of Kelly's Crazy Plan the KCP
* [15:07] Lil Linden: I like what ya'll have done with the place!
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: and then I'll add to it from a QA POV
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: welcome Lil and take it away
* [15:07] Lil Linden: *ahem*
* [15:07] Lil Linden: Is this thing on?
* [15:07] Lil Linden: OK!
* [15:07] Motor Loon: Lil dont get to sit on the throne while talking Oskar?!
* [15:07] Lil Linden: Oskar is very touchy about his thones
* [15:07] Lil Linden: *thrones
* [15:07] Motor Loon: humm...
* [15:07] Lil Linden: we don't talk about it
* [15:08] Lil Linden: or look him in the eyes, when he's sitting on it
* [15:08] Motor Loon: it is kinda shiny
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: so the new deploy process
* [15:08] Lil Linden: oh right!
* [15:08] Lil Linden: So the old process was more or less:
* [15:08] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:08] Lil Linden: - various development groups write a bunch of code
* [15:09] Lil Linden: - every month or so we batch up all those projects & bug fixes
* [15:09] Lil Linden: - we run it through the QA wringer
* [15:09] Lil Linden: (takes a long time with all those projects)
* [15:09] Lil Linden: - do the aditi beta
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: was a wringer wrangler
* [15:09] Lil Linden: -do an agni pilot
* [15:09] Lil Linden: - do the rolling restart
* [15:09] Lil Linden: - do the rollback
* [15:09] Motor Loon: ehhee
* [15:09] Lil Linden: - roll it out again
* [15:09] Techwolf Lupindo: lol
* [15:09] Motor Loon: i was gonna say that
* [15:09] Frans Charming: smiles
* [15:09] Lil Linden: - etc :)
* [15:10] Rex Cronon: hello everybody
* [15:10] Lil Linden: New process!
* [15:10] SHAMUS Carter: you forfot rollback again
* [15:10] Lil Linden: :)
* [15:10] Lil Linden: so the new process is very different
* [15:10] Rex Cronon: .
* [15:10] Motor Loon: you skip QA now? ;-)
* [15:10] Latif Khalifa: KCP
* [15:10] Lil Linden: development teams still go off on their own and write bug fixes, features etc
* [15:10] Lil Linden: yes, this is KCP
* [15:10] Chaley May: is rollback how i end up with duplicate no copys? :)
* [15:10] Lil Linden: but this time they have a QA person embedded in their team
* [15:11] Frans Charming: Nice!
* [15:11] Lil Linden: so the dev teams are responsible for QA'ing their own stuff
* [15:11] Lil Linden: we don't take a big batch and do it for them
* [15:11] Motor Loon: clever ;-)
* [15:11] Lil Linden: they don't come to release until they're pretty certain their stuff works
* [15:11] Lil Linden: but still, until it hits agni, WHO KNOWS
* [15:11] Lil Linden: you guys make all sorts of wacky stuff that breaks even the best developer's code :)
* [15:11] SHAMUS Carter: yes agni lovers to break stuff
* [15:12] Lil Linden: so
* [15:12] Latif Khalifa: we just do it for QA
* [15:12] Jammers Inaka: but agni was built to be broken..
* [15:12] Lil Linden: instead of running one pilot, we're now going to have a few (probably 2 or 3) "Release Candidate" groups on agni
* [15:12] Lil Linden: the old pilots were 20%
* [15:12] Lil Linden: the release candidate slots are going to be ~10%
* [15:13] Frans Charming: nods
* [15:13] Lil Linden: so since we have 3, we can take 3 projects and put them out at the same time
* [15:13] Lil Linden: then we wait!
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: we let it bake
* [15:13] Lil Linden: keep in mind, all of these should be good to go, but again, who knows.
* [15:13] Latif Khalifa: hmm, that will be fun with script changes ;)
* [15:14] Lil Linden: a project has to make it 6 consecutive days with no bug fixes or updates
* [15:14] Lil Linden: if a project in Release Candidate (RC) has a bug and needs a fix, its timer gets reset
* [15:14] Frans Charming: nods
* [15:14] Lil Linden: the first RC that makes it 6 days is the winner, and goes to "Release" on the remaining ~70% of agni
* [15:15] Lil Linden: when that happens, all the other projects integrate whatever just went out, their timers reset, and we do it again
* [15:15] Lil Linden: so
* [15:15] Motor Loon: and the winning team gets free lunch?
* [15:15] Lil Linden: if things go reasonably well, we can have projects out every week
* [15:15] Lil Linden: :)
* [15:15] Jammers Inaka: nice...
* [15:15] Motor Loon: very
* [15:15] Motor Loon: nice
* [15:15] Lil Linden: they get their code deployed
* [15:15] Bronson Blackadder: sweet
* [15:15] Lil Linden: which is a big bonus for them :)
* [15:15] SHAMUS Carter: sweet
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: We are planning a comprehensive communication in the form of a blog post soon
* [15:16] Lil Linden: yes
* [15:16] Lil Linden: writing it as we speak
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: I took your thoughts from last week and mulled them over
* [15:16] Motor Loon: sooo... what projects are first to try out this wonder? ,-)
* [15:16] Lil Linden: check the channel name :)
* [15:16] Serenity Rosencrans: are some of these groups going to be focused on fixing bugs?
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: I didn't want Kelly to have all the fun with his KCP
* [15:16] Latif Khalifa: Lil, so if project 1 gets a GO, projects 2 and 3 integrate it and roll out again at the same time when project 1 gets rolled to the full agni?
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: so I made the OPP
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: Oskars Preposterous Plan
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: 
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: are you down with OPP?
* [15:16] Ichi Merit: bug fixes would be nice :)
* [15:17] Jammers Inaka: lol, saw the video oskar
* [15:17] Lil Linden: Latif: yes, they can update their RC as soon as they have integrated the change
* [15:17] Motor Loon: depends Oskar... we may know you too well
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: my plan takes that release process and fleshes out how it works from a public pointing beta pov
* [15:17] Drew Dwi: so uh, when one "wins" do the others have to incorp it and then time restarts for both of them?
* [15:17] Ellla McMahon: do Projects 2 & 3 get rolled to the same pilot Regions ?
* [15:17] Drew Dwi: since they don't have its code?
* [15:17] Lil Linden: Yes Drew
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: I recognized that you all need 2 things
* [15:17] Ellla McMahon: maybe bugs aren't been reported because it's the 'wrong' Regions
* [15:17] Lil Linden: the reason we picked 6 days is so that they have 1 day to integrate
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: (sorry my system is lagging like crazy)
* [15:18] Motor Loon: hey shit, anything you think will get us improvements quicker and with less bug.... I'll support 100% ;-)
* [15:18] Lil Linden: same here :(
* [15:18] Frans Charming: Yea you might want to do a switchero
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: clarity and control
* [15:18] Lil Linden: glad to hear it motor!
* [15:18] Motor Loon: I'll even put on a dress if needed
* [15:18] Drew Dwi: so what if 2 "win" at the same time then? since they were both reset when the 3rd went liev?
* [15:18] Drew Dwi: live*
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: clarity will come from how we communicate what is in each channel
* [15:18] Ichi Merit: sounds like a "no" on long outstanding bugs :(
* [15:18] Lil Linden: Drew: then we have a cage fight to pick who goes that week :)
* [15:19] Motor Loon: uhhm... mud wrestling
* [15:19] Drew Dwi: nice, pay per view? :P
* [15:19] Jammers Inaka: As long as it goes on youtube i am all for that li
* [15:19] Jammers Inaka: lil*
* [15:19] Latif Khalifa: can we watch? ;)
* [15:19] SHAMUS Carter: hehe
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: I proposed naming the channels distinct names that will persist; BlueSteel, Magnum, and Ferrari
* [15:19] Napanickg Halderman: into the octagon, brother :P
* [15:19] Rex Cronon: don't forget to have live feed of it:)
* [15:19] Drew Dwi: names that relate to what is in the project make more sense I think?
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: on aditi a project will be called by the name of the project
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: this is the tcmalloc channel
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: once it goes to agni it gets put into a common channel nickname
* [15:20] SHAMUS Carter: channel?
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: there will be one place in the wiki for info about that channel
* [15:20] Oskars Drag: Kart 1.2: You aren't the owner
* [15:20] Oskars Drag: Kart 1.2: You aren't the owner
* [15:20] Ambroff Linden: channel is a tag we ues to identify builds, separate from version. See Help => About Second Life
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: there will be a BlueSteel wiki channel page that will detail the changes
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: and have test plans and release notes
* [15:20] Drew Dwi: I thought a channel tag was what the viewer uses?
* [15:20] Latif Khalifa: Lil, is there a way to publish the list of regions using project channels?
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: there will be sandboxes available for each release channel on agni
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: there might be latif
* [15:21] Lil Linden: Latif - oskar is talkking about that now
* [15:21] Ambroff Linden: Drew we use them for server builds too
* [15:21] Ambroff Linden: but not on Agni
* [15:21] SHAMUS Carter: ahhh
* [15:21] Ambroff Linden: just Aditi
* [15:21] Ambroff Linden: until now
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: so the idea is that the BlueSteel channel will have a set of sandboxes publicly available and specific area in the wiki and maybe the forums for what is currently on the bluesteel channel
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: same for magnum and ferrari
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: so once a project finishes up here it goes to one of those channels and then people can easily go to those regions to check them out
* [15:22] Motor Loon: could it be ... redSteel instead?
* [15:22] ANSI Soderstrom: SVC-6269
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: a percentage of mainland regions will be kumped in to get statistically significant numbers
* [15:22] Issue Helper: [#SVC-6269
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-6269
* [15:22] Lil Linden: motor needs to watch zoolander :)
* [15:22] Motor Loon: I've been to the zoo many times
* [15:22] Drakesteele Davison: lol
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: that's it in a nutshell. the KCP and the OPP
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: well, a 20 minute nutshell
* [15:23] Motor Loon: well, I think its wonderful
* [15:23] SHAMUS Carter: lol
* [15:23] Drakesteele Davison: Well I'm down with the OPP
* [15:23] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, geographically too so stuff like region crossings can be tested?
* [15:23] Lil Linden: glad to hear it
* [15:23] Motor Loon: Let's do it
* [15:23] Motor Loon: now
* [15:23] Lil Linden: so guys
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: we are
* [15:23] Motor Loon: even better
* [15:23] Lil Linden: the biggest downside is that restarts are going to happen more regularly
* [15:23] Ambroff Linden: but you guys love those right?
* [15:23] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:23] Drakesteele Davison: lmao
* [15:23] Lil Linden: from ~1 times per month up to 4
* [15:23] Motor Loon: We'll live... they'll have a purpose
* [15:23] Bronson Blackadder: restarts are not a bad thing
* [15:23] Latif Khalifa: given resource leaks in the sims, they're benefitial
* [15:24] Lil Linden: maybe more
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: restarts mean regions start fresh <_< >_>
* [15:24] SHAMUS Carter: we can live with more restarts
* [15:24] Lil Linden: ok
* [15:24] Lil Linden: glad to hear it :)
* [15:24] SHAMUS Carter: as they clean out the ghost
* [15:24] Marigold Devin: I like the idea of more restarts
* [15:24] Marigold Devin: Yes, cleaning ghosts
* [15:24] Lil Linden: we're going to start with Mainland regions as the RC regions
* [15:24] Serenity Rosencrans: i don't like that idea
* [15:24] Lil Linden: but we may let people opt-in later
* [15:24] Marigold Devin: I see ghosts lingering for 2 or 3 weeks sometimes - its not a good start for a newbie
* [15:24] Serenity Rosencrans: less restarts is better
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: breaking news on alphaville herald SHAMUS Carter says "we can live with more restarts"
* [15:24] Marigold Devin: Some newbies don't return if they can't log in because they're ghosted
* [15:24] Eddi Decosta: back in few
* [15:24] Kaluura Boa: Ppl organizing events may not love you so much...
* [15:24] Eddi Decosta: relog
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: Marigold likes the idea
* [15:25] SHAMUS Carter: eep
* [15:25] Lil Linden: Serenity: less restarts with less lag is the goal
* [15:25] Lil Linden: but to get there we need to speed up our cycle
* [15:25] Techwolf Lupindo: There needs to be a "hold off restart for xx hours"
* [15:25] Serenity Rosencrans: ok
* [15:25] Drew Dwi: is it possible to re-enable the postpone restart for x hours?
* [15:25] Bronson Blackadder: some noobs get ghosted because they're running shitty computers
* [15:25] Marigold Devin: Scheduled restarts can be put to those who have roleplay events/events
* [15:25] Latif Khalifa: 1.42 has done very little for the sim freezes :(
* [15:25] Eddi Decosta: sorry 
* [15:25] Chaley May: i didnt check if my ghost is still on agni for a week.. might still have one :)
* [15:26] Marigold Devin: I had a shitty computer when I started in SL. I still don't think I deserve to have been excluded
* [15:26] Marigold Devin: Its a learning curve and being unable to log in to start with isn't exactly going to encourage people to stay in SL
* [15:26] Eddi Decosta: where is my display name option, have a bug or?
* [15:26] Marigold Devin: I hate the way people talk about noobs like they are a different species.
* [15:26] Lil Linden: This region doesn't have Display Names right now
* [15:26] Kaluura Boa: =^_^=
* [15:27] Eddi Decosta: ah!!
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: speaking of display names
* [15:27] SHAMUS Carter: we were all a noob at one poitn in time
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: thanks lil for that segway :-D
* [15:27] Chaley May: they foiled the plan to confuse the office hour
* [15:27] Rex Cronon: didn't we all evolve from noobies:)
* [15:27] Lil Linden: :P
* [15:27] Marigold Devin: I'm still noob.
* [15:27] Eddi Decosta: i want to call me MonsterChat Lag ;p
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: so the blog went out
* [15:27] SHAMUS Carter: it's bust that the new noobs are less educated due to the death of the orientation islands
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: I'm sure you all saw it
* [15:27] Eddi Decosta: hehe
* [15:27] Marigold Devin: Yes, SHAMUS, you are right.
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: you can tell moy is excited by how much he is walking around
* [15:27] Frans Charming: A ghost is a server issue, shitty computer of end users shouldn't factor in.
* [15:27] Motor Loon: some things should stay in the ocean until they evolve a bit more
* [15:28] Latif Khalifa: some weirdness how display names got implemented on the server, i've seen a couple of failures
* [15:28] Moy Loon: If only I knew what it was that I'm excited about!
* [15:28] Rex Cronon: maybe some little pools of calm water can be provided for faster evo:)
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: we can chat about the project for about 10 minutes
* [15:28] Eddi Decosta: sorry oskar my interupt 
* [15:28] Bronson Blackadder: go go go
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: but if this turns into a flame war like in the forums I'll put a stop to it
* [15:28] Motor Loon: Sometimes Im not happy about being a "loon"....
* [15:28] Faust Vollmar: ~We didn't start the flame war...
* [15:29] Jammers Inaka: << is innocent
* [15:29] Marigold Devin: so, display names.
* [15:29] Latif Khalifa: if the viewer fails to retrieve the display name, it will fail to set a new one, since server expect to be sent both old and the new name, and the viewer sends ??? if it doesn't know your current name
* [15:29] Jonathan Yap: I was changing my name a lot and once got some kind of timeout, but didn't catch the precise message
* [15:29] Chaley May: i kindve like the display names but they will be annoying sometimes
* [15:29] Faust Vollmar: All I can say is... Make displaying usernames -ON- by default.
* [15:29] Frans Charming: Well technicaly it works, are changes being considerd to eleviate some of people biggests complains of the implementation?
* [15:29] Moy Loon: Well, With diisplay names, you can just be Motor Mouth or something of the such!
* [15:29] Faust Vollmar: Train noobs to know the difference
* [15:29] Rex Cronon: as long as a flame war doesn't spread to the main grid, it means is not hot enough:)
* [15:29] Napanickg Halderman: i like the ide, and see how indeed it can be usefull. i just worry about people greifing while using it
* [15:30] Marigold Devin: Yes, for tribute bands and suchlike, display names are a great idea
* [15:30] Eddi Decosta: i ned to know, you can search the resident by display name or just by username?
* [15:30] Eddi Decosta: need*
* [15:30] Latif Khalifa: other than the ability to turn on both display names and usernames in the chat [(http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-22735)] i have no other issues with it
* [15:30] Issue Helper: Issue does not exist... try again, Latif Khalifa
* [15:30] Motor Loon: omg... how funny... just realised I'm wearing an almost identical shirt in RL today....
* [15:30] Liisa Runo: i wonder if LL realise that there WILL be clients and other services that automatically seach for your real name as someones display name and AR them
* [15:30] RedMokum Bravin: I came originally from a world where you could change your actual user name. You had to PAY for that though.
* [15:30] Drew Dwi: I saw a few interesting propositions.... display names being a different color, or italicised if they arn't the orignal name, ect
* [15:30] Moy Loon: One of the reasons why you can't change the display name so often, was because of search, so I'm guessing there is a way to search for the display names of people
* [15:30] Frans Charming: I honestly rather see a option to pay to change your username.
* [15:30] Bronson Blackadder: if a griffer object is rezzed out will it have the user name on it or the display name?
* [15:30] SHAMUS Carter: if your not using a client thjayt suports display names will you see anydifence itn the normal av name
* [15:30] Chaley May: its interesting that Lindens recognise the need to prevent the Linden name being impersonated but dont think others in the grid need it
* [15:31] Maestro Linden: Eddi: yes, user search in people picker searches for avatars both by display name and username (and shows both names in the results)
* [15:31] Motor Loon: yes.... or let it be a benefit to premium users
* [15:31] Latif Khalifa: making office hour transcript without having usernames in the chatlog makes them useless
* [15:31] Napanickg Halderman: as a premium user, i'd be behind that
* [15:31] Chaley May: if impersonation isnt an issue then lindens should prove it and remove Linden from banned words
* [15:31] RedMokum Bravin: I have already seen enough Linden names in the past few days as display names.
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: I know latif. I've been poking them about that
* [15:31] Rex Cronon: u guys realize that there r people in rl that have the name linden:)
* [15:31] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, point them at :)
* [15:31] Issue Helper: [#VWR-22735
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/vwr-22735 
* [15:32] Bronson Blackadder: +1 latif
* [15:32] Motor Loon: I expect the 3rd party viewers will give us the needed functions to block the displaynames if we see fit
* [15:32] Motor Loon: syysh!
* [15:32] Frans Charming: Latif there is a option to turn Dislpay names off, they dissappear in chat too.
* [15:32] Chaley May: Lindens wont get to experience the reality of impersonation unless they allow impersonation of them
* [15:33] Frans Charming: it's in pref->setup
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: not true Chaley
* [15:33] Faust Vollmar: 22735 needs to go both ways. Two checkboxes, one to show display names in chat, one to show user names. You can have both, or if you're like me, you can only show user names.
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: someone saw fit to make Oskar a surname *sigh*
* [15:33] Moy Loon: ;)
* [15:33] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: you know how many HeyLookIts Oskar accounts there were?
* [15:33] Jammers Inaka: Feel proud Oskar
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: well, there was only 1 of that
* [15:33] Drakesteele Davison: lolol
* [15:33] Motor Loon: haha...
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: but you know what I mean
* [15:33] Motor Loon: poor Oskar
* [15:33] Chaley May: Who is Oskar?
* [15:33] Motor Loon: they're all out to get ya
* [15:33] Latif Khalifa: Frans I know, but I want something like this, if my display name is "The One", when I say somehting I think the ideal display would be: The One (latif.khalifa): test chat line
* [15:33] Drakesteele Davison: L1NDEN Oskar lol
* [15:34] Jammers Inaka: haha
* [15:34] Motor Loon: Thank god you have that AR15
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: Faust, there is already option to disable display names altogether
* [15:34] Frans Charming: That would be ideal indeed, latif.
* [15:34] Motor Loon: I love new features... and even more when I can turn them off ;-)
* [15:34] Faust Vollmar: Ah. I don't use anything 2.x so. =p
* [15:34] Napanickg Halderman: maybe like how in the display names viewer you can have friends names be a diffrent color, maybe make linden names a diffrent color as well(preferrably a color nobody else would choose) would help
* [15:34] SHAMUS Carter: yess display neames should be complety optionaly and off by defult
* [15:35] Rex Cronon: just changing the color is not enough:(
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: from a technical pov did anyone find any major issues in implementation
* [15:35] Motor Loon: I do think displaynames was/is a good idea, just wasn't really the first think I expect to see after the whole "fast, easy, fun" stuff
* [15:35] RedMokum Bravin: No, not enough. Linden names should be displayed in sculpted prims >:-)
* [15:35] Napanickg Halderman: maybe put a LL icon in front of their names too
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: besides your religious disputes with the feature itself
* [15:35] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, does low level protocol weirdess count?
* [15:35] Bronson Blackadder: overlay it with Plaid
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: if you can repro it
* [15:35] Drakesteele Davison: I so want them on by default becasue I am one of those that couldn't GET my last name so my first name is a mash of my first and last name with a linden last name stuck on it.
* [15:35] Chaley May: i did enter invalid names until one invalid name seemed to stick from my point of view but not to anyone else
* [15:35] Byte Flux: Soo... My main account is stuck neverending being logged out of Morris :/
* [15:36] Marigold Devin: Byte ist ein phantasm?
* [15:36] ANSI Soderstrom: in englisch ja
* [15:36] Liisa Runo: so, is it true that display names are part of SL merging to other platforms like facebook? Most people are confused and cant think of any good reason to have displaynames
* [15:36] Chaley May: but i was too busy messing around with names to try make it happen again :)
* [15:36] Marigold Devin: Byte is a ghost?
* [15:36] Motor Loon: a talking ghost?
* [15:37] Motor Loon: nah
* [15:37] Latif Khalifa: Implementing the feature in libomv i've noticed that GetDisplayNames uses GET method appending query string to the cap /?ids=uuid1&ids=uuid2... which is strange since there is a limit on how long a cap query string can be (1k i think). So when you login the viewer ask for display names off all of your friends which results in multiple requests
* [15:37] Marigold Devin: Byte's main I mean
* [15:37] Byte Flux: This is an alt, my main account is stuck logging out I can't use it
* [15:37] Byte Flux: Main is Adeon Writer, help
* [15:37] Motor Loon: nothing a ticket cant fix Byte
* [15:37] Byte Flux: Np
* [15:37] SHAMUS Carter: will the display names finaly give us openid suport? so we can use a sl aname as a single sinee on type thingy?
* [15:37] Latif Khalifa: (strange design descision as i think that would add more load to the server and lengthen the process)
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: so many questions that I don't have the answers for
* [15:38] Latif Khalifa: too technical? ;)
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: that's interesting latif
* [15:38] Ambroff Linden: Latif: It's more than 1k I think
* [15:38] Byte Flux: I wanted to meantion, I like how usernames don't show when they match the display name, think it could be a bit more linenet though, case-insensitive? Many people will just be using it to capitalize the first letter of their name
* [15:38] Frans Charming: Lissa I gues the new freeform username does make it easier to use facebook connect to make a SL account.
* [15:38] Ambroff Linden: I think it's 4096 bytes
* [15:38] Simon Linden: Latif - I think it's a 4k limit
* [15:38] Latif Khalifa: ah ok
* [15:38] Simon Linden: ('cause Ambroff told me yesterday)
* [15:39] Ambroff Linden: heh
* [15:39] Latif Khalifa: haha
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: heh
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: so let's move to the next agenda topic
* [15:39] Ambroff Linden: the author was trying to build a pure, politically correct restful service
* [15:39] Ambroff Linden: that's why it uses GET
* [15:39] Latif Khalifa: so i need 42 chars per uuid... i can ask ~90 names
* [15:39] Latif Khalifa: thats' ok
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: TCMalloc
* [15:39] Ambroff Linden: yeah, it'll be about 98 agents per requset I think
* [15:39] Latif Khalifa: Ambroff, it sort of breaks with how other caps got implemented
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: as it has been made aware we are running on a tcmalloc enabled region
* [15:40] SHAMUS Carter: i did not notice a thing
* [15:40] SHAMUS Carter: we are?
* [15:40] Ambroff Linden: Latif, yeah we've never shipped a capability like that before
* [15:40] Motor Loon: pokes it
* [15:40] Kaluura Boa: I saw nothing...
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: maestro has been doing qa on tcmalloc and simon has some new code into what will be the first entry into the KCP race
* [15:40] Jammers Inaka: i dun think it knows it is a TCmalloc region oskar.. maybe u should remind it maybe?
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: Simon has the profiler been turned on for this region?
* [15:41] Maestro Linden: seeing nothing inworld is probably a good thing in this case :)
* [15:41] Ambroff Linden: I think andrew is taking heap snapshots every 10 minutes
* [15:41] Rex Cronon: too bad that on pocking it doesn't tell u what it can and can't do:)
* [15:41] Simon Linden: yes, we've been grabbing memory reports every 10 minutes for the last hour or more
* [15:41] Lil Linden: so everyone put dirty words into memory!
* [15:41] Motor Loon: uuuh
* [15:41] Frans Charming: Nice
* [15:41] Faust Vollmar: Haha
* [15:41] Lil Linden: "poop"
* [15:41] Ambroff Linden: meecrab!
* [15:41] SHAMUS Carter: fuck
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: I want to say "do your worst", but will let Simon be the guide. We do need to give ambroff time at 3:50
* [15:41] Bronson Blackadder: dust
* [15:41] Flynn Tigerpaw: mud
* [15:41] Frans Charming: puts some bad comments in his scripts
* [15:41] Bronson Blackadder: dirt
* [15:41] Bronson Blackadder: mud
* [15:41] Simon Linden: This should be very transparent, but I"m hoping to look at the before/after OH info and find memory leaks
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: at 3:50 I will move the discussion into Second Life Beta chat
* [15:42] Latif Khalifa: if you really want to see leaks, ask everybody to leave and enter
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: and Ambroff can lead us to his test region
* [15:42] Jammers Inaka: lol, SIM crash if we do that goofy
* [15:42] SHAMUS Carter: lafitf that mgith crash the sim
* [15:42] Simon Linden: You all know we have a slow degradation of the sims ... after busy days or weeks they tend to slow down and use more memory than they should
* [15:42] Faust Vollmar: Is it time for me to do some absurd amounts of rezzing or something yet? ;v
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: wait for simon to give the ok :-p
* [15:42] Simon Linden: It's a slow slide down, and we're trying to figure out why. Tcmalloc should help
* [15:43] Frans Charming: Good.
* [15:43] Moundsa Mayo: I'll just reattach my MystiTool.
* [15:43] SHAMUS Carter: uses emdash
* [15:43] SHAMUS Carter: i gave up on mysti
* [15:43] Faust Vollmar: Speaking of... When are we getting rid of that archaic flight limit.
* [15:43] Faust Vollmar: D=
* [15:43] SHAMUS Carter: yes remve that flight limit
* [15:43] Simon Linden: Ambroff has a post-OH pile-on for another region, but before you go, it would help if you could rez a few things, maybe leave and re-enter the region, but be sure to remove anything you rez
* [15:43] SHAMUS Carter: please pleae
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: a 'few things
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: '
* [15:44] Motor Loon: god... if you can fix it so we dont have to restart out sims twice a day ... maan.... I'll have to staff that'll be happy (and probably end up fat and lazy)
* [15:44] Simon Linden: It helps most if the before/after snapshots are of the region in very similar states
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: interesting
* [15:44] Faust Vollmar: Well if I went ballistic (harh, geddit) itd all be temp stuff... Dunno if thats better or worse. ;v
* [15:45] Simon Linden: Temp stuff is fine, but please don't let loose your favorite sim crashers :)
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: you heard the man. we'll meet back here in 5 minutes or in Second Life Beta group chatr
* [15:45] Faust Vollmar: Nah, I dont do sim crashing, not intentionally.
* [15:45] Turkey(silent): Gobble: 
* [15:45] Lil Linden: ok, who rezzed the turkey?
* [15:45] Rex Cronon: just a sec
* [15:45] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:45] Frans Charming: I did.
* [15:45] Faust Vollmar: I do however like pushing it to the limit and seeing how long before it drops to its knees.
* [15:45] Rex Cronon: what r u supposed to do for the next 5 minutes?
* [15:45] Rex Cronon: i mean we:)
* [15:46] Simon Linden: rez stuff, remove it, TP away and back, etc
* [15:49] Kaluura Boa: What a mess!
* [15:49] Faust Vollmar: Oh man this is almost as fun as griefer day in a sandbx
* [15:49] Motor Loon: now THIS is science!
* [15:49] SHAMUS Carter: yep
* [15:49] SHAMUS Carter: huge mess
* [15:49] Faust Vollmar: BILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY
* [15:49] Faust Vollmar: BILL BILL BILL BILL
* [15:49] daniloloko Dawes: haha
* [15:49] Faust Vollmar: That song is now stuck in all of your heads
* [15:49] SHAMUS Carter: eeps.
* [15:49] Ball whispers: You've been hit by Simon Linden, SLTRis 3D LSLBlog Edition (smaller)!
* [15:50] Ball whispers: You've been hit by Simon Linden, <32, 50, 5>!
* [15:50] Faust Vollmar: Ladies, gentlemen and everyone in between, all hell has broken loose.
* [15:50] Faust Vollmar: You may now run around, flailing your arms and screaming.
* [15:50] Snowball thrower: Enter mouselook to throw snowball
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: shouts: OK RECESS IS OVER!!! BACK TO CLASS EVERYBODY!!!
* [15:51] Snowball: Simon: Linden has hit Matias Warcliffe with a snowball!
* [15:51] 10K's Magic: Wand V2.75 whispers: I am listening for 236 commands.
* [15:51] Bronson Blackadder: ooooaaaawwwwww crap
* [15:51] Simon Linden: shouts: please clean up any non-temp stuff you've rezzed
* [15:51] Illyria Illyar: draw
* [15:51] Frans Charming: Guess that means we have to cleanup our stuff
* [15:51] Faust Vollmar: REINDEER STAMPEEEEEDE
* [15:51] Bronson Blackadder: Sketch
* [15:52] Illyria Illyar: draw
* [15:52] Faust Vollmar: RUNNNNN
* [15:52] Drew Dwi: someone ditch the this duck tape, i'm trapped D:
* [15:52] SHAMUS Carter: Holy shhhh Cow!
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: ok we will take this discussion to Second Life Beta chat to help ambroff with his tests - 
* [15:52] Bronson Blackadder: this is great!
* [15:52] Faust Vollmar: Main grid or here?
* [15:52] Maestro Linden: this grid
* [15:52] Faust Vollmar: Quick someone link me the group im not in it here.
* [15:53] Lil Linden: are we having fun yet?
* [15:53] Faust Vollmar: AAA
* [15:53] Faust Vollmar: Yes
* [15:53] Simon Linden: Hey Motor, how do we get rid of all the deer?
* [15:53] Lil Linden: need to jet, thanks everyone for coming :)
* [15:53] Faust Vollmar: This is funny as hell to me.
* [15:53] Lil Linden: and... um.. helping out
* [15:54] Ichi Merit: professional meetings get lots accomplished
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: ok guys
* [15:54] Bronson Blackadder: hey Moundsa
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: Miramare Bay (185,104,39)
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: we are going over there
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: join in group chat
* [15:54] daniloloko Dawes: kkk
* [15:55] Rex Cronon: trying to get there
* [15:57] Maestro Linden: [15:56
* [15:56] Ambroff Linden: Oskar is upping the agent limit
* [15:57] Simon Linden: I can't believe this is part of my day job :)
* [15:57] Maestro Linden: heh
* [15:57] Illyria Illyar: are we trying to crash the sim?
* [15:58] Simon Linden: no ... looking for memory or resource leaks
* [15:58] Simon Linden: Can you remove anything you've rezzed now?
* [15:58] Monty Linden: I went to the bathroom and came back to flaming, exploding goats?
* [15:58] Simon Linden: We're doing a before/after comparison
* [15:58] Maestro Linden: hm which of this stuff was here before..
* [15:58] Simon Linden: Those were reindeer, if it makes it any better
* [15:59] Illyria Illyar: yea I just picked up my cupid rezzer
* [15:59] Monty Linden: well, jollier anyway
* [15:59] Illyria Illyar: and my box
* [15:59] Simon Linden: Stressing the region, and going to look at the tcmalloc snapshots before and after
* [15:59] Haka: Type: 'haka' to booing action
* [15:59] Haka: Type: 'haka stop' to stop action
* [15:59] Illyria Illyar: anything you want shot with my flame thrower?
* [16:00] Simon Linden: stray deer ... I'd like to get rid of them
* [16:00] Rex Cronon: sim crashed
* [16:00] Motor Loon: sure did
* [16:00] Motor Loon: Miramare Bay (185,104,39)
* [16:01] Maestro Linden: ok the deer are gone
* [16:01] Maestro Linden: i forgot if the vehicles were already here
* [16:01] Faust Vollmar: They were when I got here
* [16:03] ANSI Soderstrom: simon says :
* [16:03] Simon Linden: well, the region's using about 30mb more than before office hours, so hopefully we'll have a clue where that's going