nyuuzyou/wikis huggingface dataset:
Minutes/2024-05-10

* Administration
** , , , 
*** RL still to ping the respective correpondents.
** Moderation status of 
*** Still waiting for response from Florian Rehnisch confirming that he is willing to remain moderator.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to look into some NGP submission notifications still going to our Junk folder. 
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** PyModerator: RL has continued to make some progress with development.
** TM still to review the information regarding employing student assistants with OTF IFF funding (probably today).
** TM has polled everyone (Varun, Greg, Edward, Rayner) for a meeting time in the next two weeks and will schedule it once everyone responds.
* Publicity
** TM drafted abstracts for two paper presentations at Born-Digital Collections, Archives and Memory, one with RL and one with a colleague at the UM Faculty of Law. RL agreed with the wording and division and coverage of topics. TM sent the abstracts to Avery Dame-Griff, who had indicated interest in contributing a third paper presentation, which would allow us to propose an entire Usenet-themed panel session at the conference. TM will continue to coordinate the submission.
* TM attended LibrePlanet 2024 and reports that Tomat0's presentation "Why not just become luddites?: The politics of technology" referred to the Board's talk at LibrePlanet 2023. TM will post a link to the recording of the presentation if/when it becomes available.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-05-17

* Administration
** 
*** RL wrote to Greg Pfeil asking for confirmation that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** Marco Moock wrote asking about the status of the gateway. RL responded with an update, suggesting he get in touch with the moderator directly for further information, and that we would contact him ourselves in the event that Marco received no reply.
** , 
*** RL still to ping the respective correpondents.
** Moderation status of 
*** Florian Rehnisch has confirmed that he can carry on as moderator and that he will post an announcement about same to the group. He also asked whether we could help configure the group so that submissions are sent to the new moderation address. RL forwarded this request to the ISC who have since updated their relay list.
** 
*** RL investigated the current operation of this group and discovered that its moderation software (hosted on kamens.us) rejects all posts without an Approved header and sends a confirmation message by e-mail.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to look into some NGP submission notifications still going to our Junk folder. 
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** PyModerator: No further updates.
** TM reviewed the information provided by his research office concerning employing student programmers with OTF IFF funding and has sent RL a summary of same. The scope of the work would very likely need to be more than just a rewrite of STUMP; TM has written to Russ to see if he has any ideas.
** A (Web)STUMP developer meeting was held virtually on 16 May and attended by Varun, Greg, Edward, RL, and TM. It was agreed, as a first step, to work towards a cleanup/bugfix release ASAP. Varun, assisted by TM, would try installing, configuring, and using (Web)STUMP in order to check that the documentation is reasonably correct and complete and that there are no major bugs. Greg and Edward would examine the current Git head and check for any issues that need fixing for their particular use cases (e.g., packaging with Nix). Once a new release is made, it could continue to be improved in small ways, and meanwhile plans could be made to rewrite (Web)STUMP with modern tools. It was agreed that future communication would take place on the STUMP developers mailing list.
* Publicity
** Katie Szilagyi has revised one of the paper abstracts for DigiCAM25. Avery Dame-Griff has indicated that he will shortly be sending us his own draft paper abstract. TM will continue to coordinate a panel submission.
* Misc
** Neither RL nor TM will be available on 31 May, so it was agreed to cancel this meeting.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-05-24

* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** Marco Moock has written to the moderator for an update and is awaiting a reply.
** , 
*** RL still to ping the respective correpondents.
** 
*** Edward McGuire wrote that, using Eternal September, he was able to post an article with an Approved header to this group, which raises the question of whether this is because (1) he asked for and was granted permission by Eternal September to make Approved posts to this particular group, (2) since Eternal September had already granted him permission to make Approved posts to another group, it allows him to make Approved posts to any group, or (3) Eternal September automatically grants all users permission to make Approved posts to this group. RL also wrote a more detailed follow-up about the operation of this group. TM, who is not registered as a moderator with Eternal September, submitted an Approved post and it went through, so the explanation must be either #2 or #3. TM will try making an Approved post to (which he moderates, but not through Eternal September) so see which of the two explanations is the correct one.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to look into some NGP submission notifications still going to our Junk folder. 
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** PyModerator: No further updates.
** No response yet from Russ concerning funding work on (for example) INN. TM to ping him.
** TM met with Varun to help him get Apache and mod_perl set up as a first step to installing (Web)STUMP. They also installed INN together and discovered that installation of the versions packaged by Debian and Ubuntu fail. TM to report this problem to Debian. Varun will continue to work on setting up INN and (Web)STUMP and contact TM whenever he is at an impasse. RL agreed to join the next meeting with Varun (possibly in the last half of the B8MB meeting slot) to offer advice on INN and (Web)STUMP.
** RL noticed that there's a pending request from Roy Engehausen for commit access to STUMP on Savannah. TM remarked that he had contacted us in 2022 offering to contribute and that, per Minutes/2022-02-04, we had agreed to first ask him for more concrete plans. TM did so but never received a reply. TM to ping him and also let him know about the ongoing STUMP development work.
* Publicity
** Avery Dame-Griff has sent his paper abstract to TM. TM has written an abstract for the entire panel and circulated it to the other three co-convenors for comments/revision.
* Misc
** Reminder that the meeting of 31 May is cancelled.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-06-07

* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** Marco Moock has notified us that he has not heard back from the moderator. RL to ping the moderator for an update on the gateway and to notify Marco that he has done so. If the moderator does not respond, then there may not be anything the Board can do other than entertaining an RFD to delete the group, since it likely would not see any traffic independent of the mailing list to which it is supposed to be gatewayed.
** , 
*** RL still to ping the respective correpondents.
** 
*** Discussion of this groups' functioning has been moved to the STUMP Developers mailing list.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to look into some NGP submission notifications still going to our Junk folder. 
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** No response yet from Russ concerning funding work on (for example) INN. TM wrote to Todd McComb who indicated that he's not aware of any big backlog of work, and suggested that we check out the INN development discussions on . TM to follow Todd's suggestion and to ping Russ again to see if he has any ideas.
** TM wrote to Wayne Mery, Community Manager at Thunderbird, to ask about funding work on improving Thunderbird's news support. Wayne indicated that the team is busy with the upcoming 128 release and suggested that we ask again after this release, or in the fall. TM will continue to discuss the matter with him.
** TM and RL have been corresponding with Varun to help him get set up with (Web)STUMP.
** TM has invited Roy Engehausen to join the STUMP Developers list, and he's accepted.
* Publicity
** TM submitted a panel proposal to DigiCAM25 to be co-organized and presented by TM, RL, Katie Szilagyi, and Avery Dame-Griff. Notifications expected in early August 2024.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-06-14

* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** RL pinged the moderator for an update on the gateway and notified Marco Moock about this.
** , 
*** RL still to ping the respective correpondents.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to look into some NGP submission notifications still going to our Junk folder. 
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** TM pinged Russ again regarding funding work on (for example) INN, but still no response. Todd wrote back to suggest having a student "research the prior processes to update/replace NNTP... the Henry Spencer version, the later 'son-of-1036' discussions, etc."
** TM replied to Wayne Mery, Community Manager at Thunderbird, to ask about the release roadmap and when it would be appropriate to discuss our proposal. No response yet.
** TM and RL have been corresponding with Varun to help him get set up with (Web)STUMP. TM invited Varun to meet after today's Board meeting.
* Misc
** Meeting on 2024-06-28 cancelled due to TM's unavailability.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-06-21

* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** No response yet from moderator re status of gateway.
** , 
*** RL still to ping the respective correpondents.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to look into some NGP submission notifications still going to our Junk folder. 
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** No response yet from Wayne Mery re Thunderbird roadmap.
** TM met with Varun, who needs to step down from work on the current version of (Web)STUMP. However, he is eager to resume involvement when we write a new version from scratch.
* Misc
** Reminder: meeting on 2024-06-28 cancelled due to TM's unavailability.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-07-05

* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** No response yet from moderator re status of gateway.
** , 
*** RL still to ping the respective correpondents.
** and 
*** No further updates
** 
*** E-mail from Todd Mitchell McComb regarding a problem with the moderation system. From the procmail error message reproduced in the e-mail, it seems to be a problem with the system receiving the submissions, and so there is probably nothing the Board can do except help coordinate others to fix things. However, it seems posts are currently going through to the newsgroup; it's not clear whether this means the problem has been completely solved or whether it is still affecting some submissions. Agreed that TM would contact the moderator and/or reporter to ask whether the problem is still reproducible, and to keep Todd apprised.
* Infrastructure
** RL upgraded SSH on the server in light of a recently announced security vulnerability.
** RL has updated our spam filter so that NGP submission notifications no longer go to our Junk folder. 
** RL has fixed the mail server backup script, which has stopped daily nag e-mails and will now make it easier to get the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Website
** RL updated our Web-to-news gateways list with information provided by Paul Schleck.
** RL updated our Getting Started with Usenet page with a new .newsrc file from Paul Schleck.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** No response yet from Wayne Mery re Thunderbird roadmap. TM will ping him once he has access to his personal e-mail again.
** E-mail from Russ Allbery re INN development. Russ indicates that he has no time to propose or supervise any projects, but suggests getting in touch with Julien, who does most of the INN development these days. TM to reply and write to Julien.
** E-mail from Paul Schleck inquiring whether the Board would like to assume maintenance of auto-faq. Agreed that TM would reply that we don't currently have the bandwidth for this.
* Publicity
** LibrePlanet 2024 have begun uploading videos; however, Tomat0's presentation "Why not just become luddites?: The politics of technology", which refers to the Board's talk at LibrePlanet 2023, is not yet up.
* Misc
** Correspondence concerning group administration. Agreed to defer.
** The meeting revisited the question of Board membership in light of JE's continued unavailability following his move. Agreed to defer further consideration until next meeting.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-07-12

* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** No response yet from moderator re status of gateway.
** 
*** No response from the volunteer. RL to ping one last time; it was agreed that the Board would proceed with the RFD if no response is received within a short time.
** 
*** RL to ping the volunteer one further time. It was agreed that the Board would drop the matter if no response is received within a short time.
** and 
*** RL made some further progress in migrating the old FAQs to the wiki. TM suggested that pandoc could help convert the markup; RL indicated that the bulk of the work is actually in checking and migrating the links and making sure the information is up to date.
** 
*** Responses from Todd, David, and Bettina indicating that the problem was likely solved on or about 30 June. TM to reply to everyone.
* Infrastructure
** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** No response yet from Wayne Mery re Thunderbird roadmap. TM will ping him once he has access to his personal e-mail again.
** Positive response from Julien re INN development. TM will continue corresponding with him on the matter.
* Misc
** Agreed that TM reach out to some potential additional Board members with invitations and/or requests for nominations.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-07-19

* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** No response yet from moderator re status of gateway.
** 
*** RL has pinged volunteer moderator one last time; awaiting a response. (It had been agreed that the Board would proceed with the RFD if no response is received within a short time.)
** 
*** RL has pinged the volunteer one further time; awaiting a response. (It had been agreed that the Board would drop the matter if no response is received within a short time.)
** and 
*** RL has imported and updated some further FAQs.
* Infrastructure
** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 has been released, so TM wrote to Wayne Mery to ask again about funding development of news support. Wayne has provided a contact person for us to approach. It was agreed to hold off on writing to them pending a response from Julien re INN development.
** Positive response from Julien re INN development. TM has responded asking for help with planning the proposal and is awaiting a response.
** TM reported on another possible funding program which has a lower minimum value than OTF IFF:
*** The 3rd call of NGI Zero Commons awards €5000 to €50,000 to activities (including design and development of FOSS, participation in events, documentation, etc.) that help deliver, mature and scale new internet commons across the whole technology spectrum.
*** NGI Zero Commons Guide for Applicants
*** NGI Zero Commons Eligibility
*** NGI Zero FAQ
*** Deadline: 1 October 2024
*** Agreed that RL would review the call, as well as those for similar NGI programs.
* Misc
** As agreed at last meeting, TM had reached out to some contacts to ask whether they might be interested in serving on the Board. The meeting met with one prospective candidate and will consult with JE about appointing them. Agreed that TM would write to JE and ask for a response within 10 days.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-07-26

* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** No response yet from moderator re status of gateway.
** 
*** Agreed that the Board would proceed with the RFD if no response is received within a few more weeks.
** 
*** Agreed that the Board would drop the matter if the volunteer does not respond within a few more weeks.
** and 
*** RL has finished importing the FAQs, and the STUMP instance is already up and running, so we can now proceed with taking over moderation of the groups.
*** The original FAQs bore an unusual licence notice that suggests the content is in the public domain. RL to write to Kathy Morgan to confirm the licensing terms, and then if necessary add a licence statement to our version of the FAQs.
*** RL to contact the ISC to change the moderation address for the groups.
*** RL to look into which periodic FAQ postings we need to take over.
* Infrastructure
** RL has got the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
** The server has been e-mailing us PHP error reports concerning the backup script. RL to investigate.
** The server has been e-mailing us cryptic reports concerting the TLS certificate. RL to investigate.
** There was a flood of large binary posts to various comp.* groups, including comp.ai, whose STUMP instance the Board hosts. TM cleared the offending submissions from STUMP's mbox archives and sent an abuse report to the originating server, GigaNews. RL observed that, if this becomes a more common occurrence, we could block large messages via procmail.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Funding proposal and further correspondence with Thunderbird on hold pending a response from Julien. TM to ping him.
** RL had reviewed the NGI0 programs and confirmed that NGI Zero Commons seems most relevant to us.
** TM reported that NGI project may lose funding after the current round.
* Misc
** Board enlargement
*** Two further candidates declined but offered recommendations for/consultation on other candidates. TM has replied to one and will reply to the other.
*** No response yet from JE concerning last week's candidate. TM to send him a reminder.
** TM wrote to the editor of TUGboat regarding a report in their 45(1) issue on the demise of , which she had attributed to the shuttering of Google Groups. The editor responded with an offer to print the letter or alternatively a full-length article. RL to draft an article based on TM's letter.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-08-02

Present: TM, RL, MM
* Board membership
** All three members of the board (JE, RL, TM) having discussed and voted on the matter of enlarging the Board by e-mail, the meeting formally welcomed Marco Moock as a new member. Marco's appointment will be announced in the usual places once all his accounts are set up.
** TM to arrange for wiki, IMAP, SMTP, and shell access for MM.
** MM to send his SSH and OpenPGP public keys to TM.
** RL to create a big-8.org e-mail forwarder for MM.
** RL to add MM as an additional moderator those groups already moderated by the Board.
* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** No response yet from moderator re status of gateway. MM to review the relevant e-mail correspondence in case he wants formulate any concrete recommendations that the Board could then discuss and pass on to the moderator.
** 
*** RL to ask the volunteer moderator to respond by 15 August, after which time we will proceed with the RFD.
** 
*** Agreed to drop the matter if the volunteer does not respond by 15 August.
** and 
*** RL wrote to Kathy to ask how the FAQs are licensed and which of these should be regularly posted. Awaiting a response.
*** RL asked ISC to update the moderator submission address, and they have done so.
* Infrastructure
** RL fixed the PHP error reports from the backup script.
** RL investigated the cryptic "web updated" e-mails about the TLS certificate script, and believes this is simply a default success message indicating that no action was taken.
** GigaNews responded to TM's abuse report with a fairly generic message about taking steps to reduce spam. In fact, the flood TM had reported was not spam, but it was agreed not to pursue this matter further unless the problem recurs.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred pending correspondence with Julien re INN.
** TM pinged Julien re funded contributions to INN. Agreed that we could consider a smaller proposal to NGI0 Commons if there is no response, or a negative response, by 15 August.
* Misc
** TUGboat article: RL has produced a short (300-word) draft. The meeting discussed some possibilities for expanding it with additional text and screenshots, and for MM to contribute. Agreed that RL would continue to work on the draft and circulate it when ready for review and further contributions.
** Agreed to cancel next week's meeting in light of MM's unavailability and TM's possible unavailability.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024