Community Translation Project/Office Hours/2009 08 18

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[13:00]	:	Hi Ramzi :)
[13:00]	:	Hi! ㋡
[13:00]	:	hey lexie :)
[13:00]	:	Hi all!
[13:00]	:	hiyas Lexie :)
[13:00]	:	heyas =)
[13:00]	:	YAY!! SIM LAG!!
[13:00]	:	shoot
[13:00]	:	lol
[13:00]	:	wow, Zai, that group title is so neat!
[13:00]	:	aaww ty (^_^);
[13:01]	:	hey bebe :)
[13:01]	:	Hi kisses everyone :))
[13:01]	:	Heyy :))
[13:01]	:	ellow =)
[13:01]	:	hi Bebe :)
[13:01]	:	Hii:))
[13:01]	:	smuack!smuack!smuack! :*
[13:02]	:	lol
[13:02]	:	lol, dont have to stand up for that message lexie :p
[13:02]	:	we are all wet now ;)
[13:02]	:	wow :)
[13:02]	:	lol well I grabbed a slurl and thought they might not want to land on my head :p
[13:02]	:	almost :)
[13:03]	:	Hi Identity ㋡
[13:03]	:	lol
[13:03]	:	hi
[13:03]	:	hi ㋡
[13:03]	:	hey indentity and cobra :)
[13:03]	:	hi mono :)
[13:03]	:	Howdy - good thing Lexie gives us a call - I almost forgot *works her way out of a big paper pile on her desk*
[13:03]	:	Hi Mono : )
[13:03]	:	aloa
[13:03]	:	Hi Samia : )
[13:04]	:	Do I have a body, eyes and textures?
[13:04]	:	heyas :-)
[13:04]	:	Yes I see you
[13:04]	:	hi guys :)
[13:04]	:	that's good - I see only clouds around me LOL
[13:04]	:	awww
[13:04]	:	Hi Lexie and everyone I cant see yet ㋡
[13:04]	:	㋡
[13:05]	:	Lets wait just another minute or so for latecomers
[13:05]	:	ugh... i havea feeling i may crash AGAIN
[13:05]	:	ut oh
[13:05]	:	not a feeling Youri, you really see dead people
[13:05]	:	wow lexie finally i see you
[13:05]	:	: ))
[13:05]	:	and she looks good
[13:05]	:	lol
[13:06]	:	:D as usuall
[13:06]	:	zai noch nen platz frei neben dia?
[13:06]	:	für dich, immer =)
[13:06]	:	ich komma rangekuschelt
[13:06]	:	^_^
[13:06]	:	pffft, immer diese Kuschler
[13:06]	:	darf ich auch??? :-)
[13:06]	:	ja sicha
[13:06]	:	hehe
[13:06]	:	imma ran hia
[13:06]	:	:D
[13:07]	:	hihi
[13:07]	:	Ok Let's start : ))
[13:07]	:	lol, dont make me speak dutch :p
[13:07]	:	Everyone doing good today??
[13:07]	:	yay! ^^
[13:07]	:	yuppers
[13:07]	:	si
[13:07]	:	: ))
[13:07]	:	First little topic:
[13:08]	:	all okay here, and how are you Lexie?
[13:08]	:	Im good thanks!
[13:08]	:	:)
[13:08]	:	I win 1137 in casino today :P I am going fine today, thanks :P:P Hope all ou too :P Thanks for asking
[13:08]	:	all you*
[13:08]	:	There was a post today about Second Life Answers. Last week I mentioned you may want to translate it. It's totally up to you. https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/08/18/second-life-answers-beta--thank-you
[13:09]	:	It is pretty short but it might be useful if we had it translated because SL Answers is not just for English speakers ㋡
[13:09]	:	ok, I can do to tomorrow
[13:09]	:	german
[13:10]	:	If you decide you want to translate it..let me know and I can open a ct for it so everyone knows who is doing what and can help edit etc : ))
[13:10]	:	Thanks Blck!
[13:10]	:	Any questions on that?
[13:10]	:	I can do it in French
[13:10]	:	great!
[13:10]	:	where will we put the translations?
[13:10]	:	Lisa and me are the ones for Dutch I guess :)
[13:10]	:	I think we can put them in wiki and link them to blog
[13:10]	:	If we decide now translate this, how we post? where?
[13:11]	:	Zai - didnt you open a blog translation category?
[13:11]	:	someone did
[13:11]	:	best create the english one first in the wiki then
[13:11]	:	Sounds good
[13:11]	:	I can do that
[13:11]	:	Yeah I made one for german and it got an english parent directory. It can be expanded to whatever language we need *nods*
[13:12]	:	That would be good
[13:12]	:	and I think Ramzi made an awesome design for blog translations in the wiki
[13:12]	:	oh yes he did!
[13:12]	:	:)
[13:12]	:	yay :-)
[13:13]	:	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Category:Blog_Translations
[13:13]	:	I can find that and send it to those of you who are going to do this. I will add the link to the cts as well with some instructions
[13:13]	:	thanks Zai
[13:13]	:	welcome =)
[13:13]	:	Next topic is.....
[13:13]	:	If the english one is up, just point us to it please
[13:14]	:	(I can never find anything anymore lately)
[13:14]	:	ok I will get it in wiki and link to it in the ct
[13:15]	:	Late this month..early September we may do a message of the day about community translators.
[13:15]	:	This means we can expect to have new people coming in.
[13:15]	:	This also means..you can help them : )))
[13:15]	:	cool
[13:16]	:	I think all of you would be able to guide a new translator through some of the processes nicely
[13:16]	:	It would kind of be "taking them under your wing"
[13:16]	 	looks in her inventory for her wings: missing from database :P
[13:16]	:	So I think when we add new translators I can announce their arrival in the CT group. (with their language)
[13:17]	:	I lost my wings a couple of years ago already ;)
[13:17]	:	^^
[13:17]	:	wings got plucked? ;)
[13:17]	:	If you want to reach out to new translators and get them to the office hours or this meeting or even walk them through the project pages...that would be awesome
[13:18]	:	Anyone have any other ideas on how to help new translators feel more included and part of the process?
[13:18]	:	can you let us know when they join the CT group. We can't see that.
[13:18]	:	Yes..I can do do that
[13:18]	:	with their language
[13:18]	:	I will let the new translators know via sign up that this will happen so they are not surprised : )
[13:19]	:	ok
[13:19]	:	giving a special Linden Bear for the new people may work, as a welcome prezzie. but some minor work that needs to be done can help out as well
[13:19]	:	letting them know they are needed
[13:19]	:	I prefer build tools for people can come without need be in my wings. I prefer try buildthing for people can come with freedom.
[13:19]	:	anyone else a suggestion?
[13:19]	:	so I'd need to leave and join again in order to get it? ugh
[13:19]	:	good idea
[13:19]	:	yup, minor work is good: like beer an pretzels
[13:19]	:	^^
[13:19]	:	I think this is very important detail.
[13:19]	:	hehe Bebe ..beer and pretzels ㋡
[13:20]	:	I thin k important for integration is to have a little piece of work you can do in the beginning
[13:20]	:	ok, if you think up more ideas feel free to drop me a notecard or put it on the CT forum
[13:20]	:	I think is better someone can come and work and depend not from me. I remember in firsts weeks i was feel me in wing.. i almost cry..
[13:20]	:	hey yann
[13:21]	:	hmm ok so maybe some small thing they can do right away is an idea
[13:21]	:	heya all sorry this interupt ㋡
[13:21]	:	hi Yann
[13:21]	:	Hi Yann ㋡
[13:21]	:	Hi lexie ㋡
[13:21]	:	hi yann dont worry ㋡
[13:21]	:	i ask ask ask help.. and people just said ok.. i will teach you and nothing... I really like help people to grow without me.
[13:21]	:	Lexie pretzels?:P whayt means?:P
[13:22]	:	sorry for this deconnection , i need to instal the new last version of snowglobe ㋡
[13:22]	:	latest version of snowglobe may cause a lot of crashes yann
[13:22]	:	better wait
[13:22]	:	Bebe..it may be easier to learn when there is more translation happening. It is a little slower right now but will pick up. Woring on blog translation with someone may help you too
[13:23]	:	what is the status on the viewer revamp?
[13:23]	:	Ramzi - do we have status on that?
[13:23]	:	(Bebe - sorry I meant that pretzel comment to Blck)
[13:24]	 	giggles
[13:24]	:	Youri i love crash again and again loll, i'm little crazy ㋡
[13:24]	:	Yes- the viewer revamp is still in progress. The engineers are still working to make a usable prototype, but it is very buggy right now.
[13:24]	:	Oh no problem :))
[13:24]	:	lol yann
[13:24]	:	So the viewer isnt ready to show publicly--
[13:24]	:	Youri@ but the last version of this morning work great ㋡ for xp the bug is fixed :)
[13:25]	:	Will there be changes in the way we deal with the translations for that?
[13:25]	:	but one exciting thing about the viewer revamp is that it will attempt to simplify some of the long awkward sentences that are so hard to translate.
[13:25]	:	for vista it aint fixed :)
[13:25]	:	crashed so far about 30 times
[13:25]	:	ah, thats a good thing indeed :)
[13:25]	:	coucou Samie, tu vas bien? xxxxx ㋡
[13:25]	:	: ))
[13:25]	:	anyways, its translation meeting, not snowglobe :p
[13:26]	:	back from crash :/
[13:26]	:	lets have lexie back in charge :)
[13:26]	:	Next up: RHN - Residnet Help Network..and you!
[13:26]	:	LL is notorious for impossible sentences indeed :)
[13:26]	:	Resident*
[13:26]	:	Youri@ its true, but the test on translation in snowglobe are great too ㋡
[13:26]	:	I mentioned this a bit before
[13:26]	:	same for me yann
[13:26]	:	The Resident Help Network will assist groups connect with each other and with the community
[13:27]	:	Language groups will benefit from this I think
[13:27]	:	I'd like you to think about the groups you are in and send me some suggestions of groups that might be good to take part in this "beta"
[13:27]	:	The groups need to have a help focus
[13:28]	:	They need to offer something for free..like classes, translation, freebies etc
[13:28]	:	Maybe since you know this program is coming..you might even want to think of forming groups now so you can take part?
[13:29]	:	The goal of this is also going to be to give these groups a higher exposure via website, wiki and more.
[13:29]	:	question is wether to form new groups or to rely on the already working groups
[13:29]	:	Maybe even smaller groups will want to merge together
[13:30]	:	like SSG (Scripters Support Group): Newbie scripter and advanced scripter's help
[13:30]	:	Lexie, sorry but I crashed at the wrong time (as if there were any good time for crash^^) , what program are you talking about ?
[13:30]	:	Resident Help Network - wb!
[13:30]	:	I am part of one called SL Building Mentors
[13:30]	:	but not sure if those groups want higher exposure: they already have 2000 members and suffering from the not working group chats ... something we shoudl keep in mind
[13:30]	:	I think there are many smaller language groups out there but they are a bit buried in search.
[13:31]	:	Thats a point Blck
[13:31]	:	also Mentor Educators of SL.....though not sure how active that still is
[13:31]	:	But many groups use land space / forums etc to help people too
[13:31]	:	oh good one Lisa
[13:32]	:	I know this is a new type topic and you dont have all the details yet. I just want to get you thinking and I will pass on more info as it comes together
[13:32]	:	What I see from my experience is that we need groups which can help people on different topics in different languages - or even individuals: like a czech speaking scripter or a italian builder who are willing to help
[13:32]	:	Second Life Answers and RHN go together..and you are all part of those groups that help the international communities. You can have an even bigger impact : ))
[13:33]	:	Good thoughts Blck
[13:33]	:	will RHN be a kind of roof for all those activities or a paralell thingy?
[13:33]	:	There are more and more options for you on how you help. Harder to decide I know..but choice is good!
[13:34]	:	It will stand on its own but be related
[13:34]	:	Volunteering is the "roof"..we just have more ways to do it now : ))
[13:34]	:	And international is getting more ways to reach the general community
[13:34]	:	Im excited about that
[13:35]	:	㋡
[13:35]	:	I am asking because it brings me back to what we had last time on my mind: 20 different corners with 21 different logins and user interfaces
[13:35]	:	I know what you mean
[13:35]	:	yeah, i love that ㋡
[13:35]	:	I hope that we can tie in RHN groups somewhere on the Answers front page as well.
[13:36]	:	We are already at the point where people have the choice to check for answers in several locations ... and what I get to hear when I point people somewhere: too complicated, too much to read... Can't you tell me instead?
[13:36]	:	each direction of volounter participent is important no? ㋡
[13:36]	:	I know we need to pull it all together so Residents can make choices
[13:37]	:	I think with the KB to Wiki project referring to Answers as well..we are beginning to see these resources tied together a bit more
[13:37]	:	Who wish dont work in group will can work alone or will need work in group?
[13:37]	:	choices and alternatives are good - but under one "roof" or it will be like 5 people in 10 places and no one sees the answer7QUESTION OF THE OTHERS
[13:37]	:	So, as we go I will keep it in mind that we don't want to get anymore spread out than we are now
[13:37]	:	sorry keyboard fault, blame it on LL :-)
[13:38]	:	don't blame me ;)
[13:38]	:	loll i blame the coffee for my part ㋡
[13:38]	:	Bebe- it is ture..you can help on your own. You do not need a group
[13:38]	:	true*
[13:38]	:	no,Lexie's fault - she always makes me excited
[13:38]	:	Many do it that way and it is important and has impact
[13:38]	:	lol
[13:38]	:	^^
[13:39]	:	I may open a thread about this topic on the CT forum. If I do I will post it for you all
[13:39]	:	ok CT Logo...
[13:39]	:	I still believe we need a Q&A section in Search (within SL), pointing to everything.
[13:40]	:	Monochrome has been working on some ideas so the group has a logo. Monochrome..can you put those up here?
[13:40]	:	ah yea hold on
[13:40]	:	If we can decide on one..and get approval for it..that would be nice right?
[13:40]	:	wow, a cube *claps her hands*
[13:40]	:	:P
[13:40]	:	We have a blank square in the group box now lol
[13:41]	:	:P yourself
[13:41]	:	We will have to be careful not to use/alter the logo
[13:41]	:	is this the only logo to choose from?
[13:41]	:	I think there are more
[13:41]	:	no no ehm i didnt expect it for today
[13:41]	:	great alpha logo ㋡
[13:41]	:	ohh ok
[13:41]	:	i am still working on it
[13:42]	:	I thought you had 2 :p
[13:42]	:	perhaps having a sim thats open to everyone? where people can go to if they see a error, fill in a notecard or something for that and put it in a box? let the people join in on the action?
[13:42]	:	good place for us translators as well to hang out and speak to the people, more people have more answers and ideas
[13:43]	:	I think it should be greenish.....like SL
[13:43]	:	something with the hand in it
[13:43]	:	logo seems to be okay
[13:44]	:	If any others here want to submit ideas for a logo..we can put them up here and look at them at the next meeting?
[13:44]	:	well, send me a note with your ideas, i will work something out and the next time we can decide us
[13:44]	:	maybe with a foot? trasnlation for "hand" :-)
[13:44]	:	lol
[13:44]	:	a foot
[13:44]	:	: )
[13:44]	:	sure why not
[13:44]	:	it means we walking ...... together
[13:44]	:	lol
[13:44]	:	Don't take me serious - unless I script :-)
[13:44]	:	thats true!!
[13:44]	:	: ))
[13:45]	:	<<<<< HAHAHAHAHA >>>>>
[13:45]	:	sure Lexie, I'll make a few tries
[13:45]	:	So either contact Monochrome and work together on ideas or bring your own next week : )
[13:45]	:	perfecttt
[13:45]	:	make sure you give everyone a copy of the final texture to everyone in the group ;)
[13:45]	:	Thats all I had for now. Any of you have topics you wanted to mention?
[13:46]	:	i think about a common group title, there are somany different groups titles, i guess its might be confusing. a kind of a common name- and a specific part (the language). in example: RHN Group - German, RHN Group - Dutch.... and so on
[13:46]	:	i talked to you earlier lexie
[13:46]	:	about my new website?
[13:46]	:	oh..and thank you to all of you who have done the last minute translations over the past few days! It is very appreciated ㋡
[13:46]	:	I have one question
[13:47]	:	we would talk about what to place for this team
[13:47]	:	I like that Mono - I just wonder if that makes it complicated?
[13:47]	:	Youri- sure tell them about that
[13:47]	:	your up next Bebe
[13:47]	:	monochrome, I'm not sure about that... some groups have existed for very long, have hundreds or thousands members... I'm not sure they will be willing to recreate a new group
[13:47]	:	I am afraid maybe my poor english find not the better words... please apologize my poor english
[13:48]	:	I turn afraid when I see in last week someone give for you one translate from just three phrases with more 5 error, maybe 8. I dont know how talk about this and why this happens. This make me think very very much.Sometimes I am afraid we have x logins in translators but y quantity from people. This turn very afraid who is new. How and why one new need start to critic one older translator?
[13:48]	:	as you also said, could be handy to have more knowlage about this project
[13:48]	:	I try understand about the interact when we see serious errors.
[13:49]	:	Bebe - even if a new translator makes comments for edits..its good. The new translator learns and they could be right as well. I would say keep commenting : ))
[13:49]	:	Very true Youri
[13:49]	:	With new ones we will have the same discussions again about how to translate.
[13:50]	:	Lexie when the new see rude and very wrongs translates, what the new should make?
[13:50]	:	rude?
[13:50]	:	sorry, maybe my english word is not better.
[13:50]	:	upset?
[13:51]	:	I think they should ask in a comment if that is how it is meant. Many times the discussion between translators can find the best words to use.
[13:51]	:	not.... rude means not subtle.. is something really really wrong..
[13:51]	:	oh, i seen a few pictures from the new SL viewer that was shown at SLCC, do we need to translate for that as well? if so, i think it may be wise to start on that asap
[13:52]	:	Do you think the new translators should not comment? If so, if they are unsure..they can ask in CT group
[13:52]	:	if i see one phrase i know if i write with so much errors when i was with 10 years old, certain my daddy punish me.. when i see one phrase with so seriousquantity errors?
[13:52]	:	or IM another translator and discuss
[13:52]	:	If you see many errors, please do edit and add what you think is correct
[13:53]	:	well.. i rather say, that if there needs to be translations done for the 2010 viewer, it would be good to start now instead of last minute
[13:53]	:	Youri- correct, we will eventually need to translate the new SL viewer, but right now it is still too early. The text is not finalized yet. We would not want to translate something in the new viewer and then have to re-do it.
[13:53]	:	If others disagree or agree..it will get sorted out. Translators do good teamwork this way
[13:53]	:	Youri- but I will make sure that we do not start at the "last minute" :)
[13:53]	:	: ))
[13:54]	:	No, I just am afraid Lexie. I see some translates is really good and i wish not critic nobody but have others.. when i read i just dont believe what i read. ANd i am afraid to say how wrong is the translate because can appear i am new and wishing disrespect who is old
[13:54]	:	yik, re-do it*
[13:54]	:	lol, please do make sure indeed ramzi! we cant get all translations done on time other wise, so it would mean LL making new releases short after the release of the 2010 viewer. doesnt look that good i guess
[13:55]	:	I see. I think it would be ok to ask about it. Everybody learns this way. Translators are great people and would be happy to help you understand.
[13:55]	:	and for the translators, it wouldnt look good either
[13:55]	:	Asking questions is good : ) I do it all the time lol
[13:55]	:	not many people will understand
[13:56]	:	As hard as it may sound, our goal shouldn't be to please the translator, but to provide good translations...
[13:56]	:	If we are not able to correct eachother anymore......we better quit translating....
[13:56]	:	Agreed. Everyone in this group acts with respect to each other and thats why the translations come out so good too
[13:56]	:	right
[13:57]	:	editing and discussion is key
[13:57]	 	nods
[13:57]	:	Dont be afraid to do it
[13:57]	:	: ))
[13:57]	:	Ok, thank you.
[13:57]	:	But if you are...or are worried..IM me : ))
[13:57]	:	Or Noelle, or Rika, or Simone
[13:57]	:	: )
[13:58]	:	agreed on that point zai, but do know that translators will get attacked in some form if they dont deliver good work. or what the residents see at least. the plain resident doesnt know how much time there is to translate
[13:58]	:	and yes, I already had several times people coming to me complaining and swearing at me for translations
[13:58]	:	: ( Im sorry that happened Youri
[13:58]	:	I think we'll all eventually need to face some sort of criticism. the question is, how we handle it
[13:58]	:	exactly
[13:59]	:	its okay lexie :p
[13:59]	:	only shows the braincapacity of the people doing that :)
[13:59]	:	You cannot please everyone. What you do..you do out of the goodness of your hearts. Manyyyyy people know this.
[13:59]	:	We should always strive for the best translations. Not to be the first to have done it with erros.
[13:59]	:	Youri, you can rely on other SL bugs, residents will scream about them much more than about translation, so .. we're quite safe *runs for cover*
[13:59]	:	Also true Lisa
[13:59]	:	yuss
[13:59]	:	lol Samia
[13:59]	:	Then I should say someone give for you one translate with very much errors in just three phrases , and is in Jira. And is just a creation from one new text. Is not translate there. I really scary when I see that phrases. I wish not atack nobody, but if i say all i think about, will apear a atack. And I wish not.
[13:59]	:	And I think why someone made this.
[14:00]	:	I think and think.
[14:00]	:	Don't be afraid to comment, Bebe
[14:00]	:	right
[14:00]	:	and at least...we are all humans (avatars) and make errors..... :D isnt that pretty normal
[14:00]	:	It also reflects on you in the end, so you can also say what you want about it :)
[14:00]	:	yes it is normal!
[14:00]	:	samia, stand around waterhead long enough with your CT translator tag on ;)
[14:00]	:	whew, glad it's not just old me ^^
[14:01]	:	Thank you Lisa and Lexie. I feel you understand me.
[14:01]	:	: ))
[14:01]	:	Zai, you are cute too :))
[14:01]	:	Thanks for coming everyone!
[14:01]	:	hehe ^_^ ty
[14:01]	:	I love our meetings : )
[14:01]	:	:)))
[14:01]	:	Does anyone want to post transcript?
[14:01]	:	I love all you too :P
[14:01]	:	but yes, not all can be made happy. but that doesnt make it alright to feed them with more things they can use against us. savety for us all so to say :p
[14:01]	:	oki ^^
[14:01]	:	ty!!
[14:02]	:	welcome :-)
[14:02]	:	hehe yes, its an interesting meeting all times ㋡
[14:02]	:	i never had one from last week either.....
[14:02]	:	: )
[14:02]	:	oh I can give you the link
[14:02]	:	and hey, why feed them with such things if we can get it all finished and good in advance?
[14:02]	:	it's also posted in the forum thingy
[14:02]	:	dump the transcripts on the wiki
[14:02]	:	well sorry if i have missed that , on the last week :(
[14:02]	:	they are
[14:02]	:	^^
[14:02]	:	oh ok
[14:02]	:	I will see you all soon. Stay happy and enjoy your SL!
[14:02]	:	you too ㋡
[14:02]	:	㋡
[14:02]	:	thanks Lexie
[14:03]	:	you 2 lexie :)
[14:03]	:	TY - have a great day and see you around
[14:03]	:	bye bye ramzi and lexie :)
[14:03]	:	Bye for now! Thanks for coming Ramzi!
[14:03]	:	thanks.. take care and have fun :)
[14:03]	:	see you
[14:03]	:	my sl is in english cause s more simple to find with jiras reprod ㋡
[14:03]	:	bye!!
[14:03]	:	thanks for coming also, Ramzi :)
[14:03]	:	all linked from here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Translation_Project/Office_Hours
[14:03]	:	bye bye Ramzi thank again ㋡
[14:03]	:	ah....that was the last place i looked for it :)
[14:03]	:	Kisses and huggs everyone:P
[14:04]	:	hehe
[14:04]	:	muauahauha
[14:04]	:	*hugz*
[14:04]	:	bye all *hugs*
[14:04]	:	hugz back
[14:04]	:	smuack!smuack!smuack! :*
[14:04]	:	it's actually an office hour indeed :)
[14:04]	:	Samie, un lancement de robot? lol
[14:04]	:	^_^
[14:04]	:	lol
[14:04]	:	ツ ok yann
[14:05]	:	have a great evening everyone :-)
[14:05]	:	bye bye all :)
[14:05]	 	waves
 
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