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Minutes/2020-09-11

Present: TM, RL, JE
== STUMP ==
RL got a response to our licence query from Igor Chudov; apparently any licence is fine. TM to add CC BY as the documentation licence for STUMP and WebSTUMP on Savannah.
RL has been continuing to configure moderation for . It was agreed that once this was done the Board would appoint TM personally, rather than the Board itself, as moderator pro tem, since it's not in the Board's remit to moderate groups unrelated to the administration of the Big 8. TM to draft the announcement of the moderator change.
== Moderation ==
JE reported that the Board received a report from Dario Niedermann that no messages are getting through to the moderated group . JE got in touch with the current moderator, Mikko Rauhala, who consented to the group becoming unmoderated or moderated by someone else. Dario Niedermann has agreed to take over as moderator with the proviso that he use a robomoderator in the event that manual moderation proves too much work. It was agreed to counteroffer that Dario take over as moderator but get in touch with the Board to discuss options in the event that manual moderation proves too much work. JE to communicate this to Dario.
== E-mail ==
Following an uptick in spam, JE reported that he added some new spam filter rules for the Board's e-mail account.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2020-09-18

Present: TM, RL
Apologies: JE
== STUMP ==
TM reported that the Savannah admins have requested a new tarball of STUMP and WebSTUMP with the new copyright/licence notices. TM to take care of this next week.
== Moderation ==
RL reported that he is continuing to configure moderation for but has hit some strange snags. He will continue to investigate.
RL found that that many of the Board's scripts and configuration files on Panix are under version control with RCS and suggested that we continue to check in any changes we make to them.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2020-09-25

Present: TM, RL, JE
== STUMP ==
TM reported that he added additional copyright notices to (Web)STUMP per Savannah's request and resubmitted the packages.
== Publicity ==
JE reported that he will be submitting the final version of his 2020 openSUSE + LibreOffice Virtual Conference talk today; the slides and notes are on the wiki.
TM gave notice that the Board should discuss publicity efforts at the next meeting.
== Moderation ==
JE reported that he hasn't yet e-mailed Dario Niedermann about but will do so soon.
RL reported on the automated forgery warnings that we had been receiving for the Big-8 newsgroup list. RL had temporarily disabled cronjob that issues these warnings but will re-enable it to see if the problem was transient. It is probably a problem with the articles themselves that are triggering the forgery warnings. The Board itself doesn't post these articles, so our forgery checker may be correct to complain, though it is wrong for it to be sending us multiple notifications for the same article. RL will investigate the cause of the multiple notifications.
RL reported that submissions should work correctly now and will add TM as the moderator. It remains for TM to install a signing key for the approved articles.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2020-10-02

Present: TM, RL
Apologies: JE
== STUMP ==
TM reported that the Savannah moderators have once again rejected the (Web)STUMP submissions due to problems with the copyright/licence notices. TM to continue to work with the moderators to get the files in an acceptable state for hosting on Savannah.
== Moderation ==
TM reported that he has not yet set up the signing key for . RL to do this, to contact ISC to set the new moderation address, and to try posting a couple test articles (with STUMP temporarily configured to send them to a test group).
RL reported that he has fixed the problem with getting multiple forgery notifications for the same article. He has also determined that the message was flagged as a forgery in the first place due to what looks like a malformed X-Auth header. He has notified Russ Allbery about this and is awaiting a response.
== Publicity ==
Agreed to defer discussion of publicity until JE returns.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2020-10-09

Present: TM, RL, JE
== STUMP ==
TM reported that, after some further work to bring the source files into compliance with the copyright and licence guidelines, Savannah has finally accepted our STUMP submission and has created a STUMP project. The WebSTUMP submission is still pending. TM to populate the STUMP repository once it is created.
== Admin ==
JE reported that he was finally successful in setting up INN, using the list of newsgroups and active files from ISC, and has already established peerings with third-party servers via . JE to send details of the server to RL and TM for testing purposes.
JE noted that since we haven't yet migrated to a modern signing key, whenever we add/remove/change a newsgroup, we can extract and distribute a subset of the ISC files containing only the Big-8 groups.
JE reported that he hasn't yet e-mailed Dario Niedermann about but will do so before the next meeting.
JE reported on his well-received presentation on the Big-8 at #hcpp20. On Friday he will give a similar talk at the 2020 openSUSE + LibreOffice Virtual Conference.
== Moderation ==
RL reported that he is still awaiting a response from Russ Allbery on the forgery notifications, though fortunately we haven't been receiving any more of them.
RL reported that he hasn't yet set up but will do so soon.
== Publicity ==
It was agreed to step up the Board's efforts to publicize its own revitalization and the Big-8 and Usenet in general. TM to draft a press release and then coordinate media contacts with RL and JE.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2020-10-16

Present: JE, TM
Apologies: RL
== STUMP ==
TM reported that he has been filing a large number of bugs in STUMP. Some of these bugs he has fixed himself and others have been assigned to RL or JE. The submission of WebSTUMP to Savannah is still pending.
== Moderation ==
JE has written to Dario regarding and is awaiting confirmation from him before making him the new moderator.
RL reported by e-mail that he had written to Todd McComb asking to change the moderation address for and is awaiting a response.
== Publicity ==
JE reported on his well received talk "Reviving Usenet" at the 2020 openSUSE + LibreOffice Virtual Conference, which TM also attended. The talk led to an e-mail from a backbone provider admin which JE will be following up. JE will also get in touch with a journalist at Linux Magazine and ADMIN Network & Security, who sponsored the conference.
Agreed to defer further discussion of publicity, including the press release, until RL's return.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2020-10-23

Present: JE, TM, RL
== Publicity ==
JE reported on an e-mail he received from Brian Osborn, General Editor/CEO/Publisher of Linux Magazine, who has expressed interest in the reconstitution of the B8MB and invited us to send a press release. TM reported he hasn't yet produced the press release, but that we should hold off until we've had at least a few minor accomplishments to show for (namely, getting STUMP and WebSTUMP on Savannah and restoring moderation of and/or ).
== WebSTUMP ==
TM reported that our submission of WebSTUMP to Savannah is still on hold pending improvement of the copyright/licence notices.
JE reported that he is converting the STUMP documentation to Texinfo.
The meeting discussed where to host the new websites for STUMP and WebSTUMP; it was decided to use the repository provided by Savannah, and add a shim page on the B8MB wiki that links to it.
== Moderation ==
JE reported that he has not yet had a response from Dario re .
RL reported that Todd McComb has changed the submission address for . RL is still troubleshooting a problem whereby submitters aren't receiving rejection notices.
== Admin ==
JE reported that Paul Schleck has offered help on finding dead newsgroups, for which he has an automated tool. JE has already expressed interest and is waiting to hear back.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2020-10-30

Present: JE, RL, TM
== (Web)STUMP ==
TM reported that WebSTUMP has now been published on Savannah. Development environment instructions are available at Board:STUMP.
Now that both STUMP and WebSTUMP are on Savannah, it was agreed that RL would write to Igor Chudov to inform him of this and to invite him to sign up to Savannah and send us his username, in the event that he wants to be added as a maintainer.
It was agreed that the Board would first work towards a release that fixes the most pressing bugs, compatibility, and documentation issues, leaving any refactoring, restructuring, or new features for a future release.
JE mooted the idea of the Board selling STUMP service (as Igor Chudov once did), which would help lower the barrier to becoming a newsgroup moderator and also help cover the Board's own expenses. TM and RL expressed concern about the time commitment. There seems to be no technical/administrative reason why we couldn't run such a service from the Panix account, though it was noted that we haven't yet been successful in setting up a new STUMP instance for (see below), and the code hasn't yet been audited for security issues. It was agreed to defer the matter until after we release new versions STUMP and WebSTUMP, at which time we can better determine the feasibility of the proposal from a technical and security standpoint.
== Moderation ==
JE reported that he has not yet had a response from Dario re .
Re , RL reported that STUMP is generating a rejection message to the approve address which gets caught in our spam filter. Presumably the submitter gets notified afterwards. RL to continue to investigate.
Kathy Morgan sent an e-mail to the Board asking if we are getting moderation notices for , the robomoderator for which is hosted by Jonathan Kamens. JE determined that we had not yet been added as moderators for this group and agreed to write to Jonathan to rectify this. Kathy also forwarded a recently rejected proposal to us, consideration of which was deferred to our next meeting.
Paul Schleck sent an e-mail to the Board notifying us of a dead link in our FAQ. TM to update the FAQ on Panix.
== Publicity ==
TM reported that he has not yet done the press release but will do so for next week's meeting.
== Infrastructure ==
JE reported that he's backed up the Panix account to the Board's own server. TM noted that according to Panix, "Your disk space is protected by our RAID fileserver with multiple daily snapshots of your directories and nightly tape backups," so this is another recovery option.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2020-11-06

Present: JE, RL, TM
== Internal documentation ==
* TM has updated the Board:Big-8.org infrastructure page.
== Newsgroups ==
* TM has (hopefully) fixed the FAQ.
* TM reported that the public_html directory in our Panix account contains rudimentary websites for the various newsgroups that the Board operates. The websites generally list the moderators and charters/posting guidelines. TM has updated the n.a.n. website though we still need to do the rest. For ease of maintenance, perhaps these could be redirected to wiki pages. TM to handle this.
* Kathy Morgan had reported (on 29 October) on a rejected submission that we should investigate. JE to contact the submitter.
* Status of : JE to ping Dario.
* Status of : RL has figured out the rejection problem but still needs to update our Procmail recipe.
== STUMP and WebSTUMP ==
* JE reported that he has updated the STUMP and WebSTUMP entries in the FSF directory.
* JE asked about references to Igor Chudov's defunct mailing list in the STUMP/WebSTUMP documentation. TM indicated that he has created a new mailing list that can be used for support and development discussions. JE to update the documentation to point to this list.
== Publicity ==
* TM presented an incomplete draft of a press release on the Board's reconstitution and recent activity. TM to continue working on it, listing all three Board members as publicity contacts.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2020-11-27

Present: JE, RL, TM
* Publicity
** E-mail from Marty Moleski (2020-11-23) asking if we can take over the Facebook pages for news.announce.newgroups and news.announce.important. TM to send a response confirming that we will take over the groups and then to post an announcement on the groups directing readers to our new website. TM to report back on whether the announcements triggered any activity/feedback, and if not, Board to discuss decommissioning the groups.
** TM reported that Mark Saltveit responded to our press release with some follow-up questions.
** JE reported that Linux Magazine responded to our press release with an auto-acknowledgment.
* Administration
** 
*** TM reported that he created a new web page for comp.ai.
*** RL reported that ISC has updated the moderator address.
*** TM to test rejections and to post an announcement about the new moderator. JE suggested also posting the announcement to and possibly .
** : No further updates.
** Proposed PC audio group: No further updates.
* Wiki
** TM reported that everyone contacted has agreed to relicense their contributions under CC BY-SA. TM to update the wiki footer accordingly.
* Infrastructure
** TM reported that Tim Skirvin has agreed to remain on the various task forces, for which we will need to re-establish mailing lists. TM to write to Tim asking whether he prefers aliases or bona-fide lists.
* (Web)STUMP
** JE: No further updates on the (Web)STUMP forks.
** RL to start working on bugs and to look at fork.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2020-12-04

Present: RL, TM
Apologies: JE
* Infrastructure/Administration
** TM has not yet written to Tim Skirvin re mailing lists but will do so soon.
** Tim Skirvin no longer has working moderation software for and has asked us to set up a (Web)STUMP instance on Panix for his use. TM to do so using the forthcoming instructions from RL (see below).
** No further report re and the proposed PC audio group. It was suggested that JE poke the relevant individuals.
** TM reported that submissions to are apparently being auto-approved without moderator intervention. RL to look into this.
* Wiki
** E-mail from JE: JE is in the process of updating the Newsreaders page and Wikipedia's List of newsreaders.
** TM has updated the licence footer for CC BY-SA.
** RL to add instructions to the wiki on how to configure a new (Web)STUMP instance on our Panix account.
* (Web)STUMP
** E-mail from JE: Documentation is in progress.
** RL has fixed a crossposting error message bug in STUMP.
* Publicity
** TM has not yet written to Marty Moleski re Facebook but will do so today.
** Nobody has had further replies to our press release but is continuing to look out for them.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2020-12-11

Present: RL, TM, JE
* Publicity
** JE reported that his oSLO presentation has not been posted online due to a technical problem with the recording, but that the oSLO organizers have invited him to submit a pre-recorded video to post in its place. Also, his Hackers Congress presentation has not been posted online because the organizers have decided to publish only a smaller selection of videos. However, JE had recorded a rehearsal video of one of the presentations and posted it to Reddit, where it has been well received.
** TM has assumed control of the Facebook groups from Marty Moleski and will post to them soon.
* Infrastructure/Administration
** JE still to send reminders re and the proposed PC audio group.
** TM has written to Tim Skirvin re task force mailing lists.
** RL has fixed the misconfiguration in the STUMP setup for that resulted in posts being auto-approved. TM has since posted an announcement about the change in moderator and has already approved several new on-topic article submissions.
Reminder: No Board meetings for the rest of this year (and presumably also not on 1 January 2021).
Category:Meeting minutes for 2020
Minutes/2021-01-08

Present: RL, TM, JE
* Publicity
** TM: There appear to be three Big-8 Twitter accounts dating from 2013: @newsaimportant, @newsnewgroups, and @newsamoderation. I asked the former Board members and according to Paul Schleck, the logins are the same as the contact addresses for the respective newsgroups, so we can reset the passwords and assume control of the accounts if desired.
** TM: I removed the old admins from Facebook pages for news.announce.newgroups and news.announce.important and added RL as an additional admin (just in case I get hit by a bus). I also posted an announcement about the reconstituted Board and asked any readers for comments, but received none.
* Admin
** TM: No response from Dave Sill since 2020-11-23 re continued involvement in task forces; we can probably remove him from the lists.
** TM: Not yet set up mail forwarders for task forces.
** TM: Wrote to Brian Edmonds on 2020-12-24 re continued involvement in task forces. Got a response on 2020-12-25 that he's willing to stay involved in some capacities.
** JE: Wrote to Dario Niedermann about c.o.l.a and gave a link to RL's notes on adding a group to STUMP/WebSTUMP. No response yet.
** JE: Wrote to Geoff Wood about an audio newsgroup. Also provided him with some alternative newsgroups. No response yet.
** RL: Received e-mail from Tom Owad on 2020-12-16 offering to volunteer for the Board. RL wrote back on 2020-12-28 with some proposals; no response yet.
** JE: Audit of dead groups? TM has no time; JE will start looking.
* Wiki
** JE: Newsreaders page has been completely updated.
* STUMP
** JE: Uploaded RL's notes to the Git repo.
** JE: Plans to convert remaining documentation to Texinfo soon.
** TM: Not yet tried following RL's notes.
** TM: (Web)STUMP shouldn't send rejection e-mails for spam articles submitted to . Is this a config issue or a general limitation of (Web)STUMP? RL to look into this.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-01-15

Present: RL, TM, JE
* Admin
** JE received email from Geoff Wood. He would not like to take over an existing group. Instead, he would like to go forward with creating . Being that he already has a community of people would use this group, this could be an easy win. It was agreed that Board members would review documentation associated with the new group creation process. JE to take the lead and continue to serve as point of contact with Geoff. JE to also clarify with Geoff whether the group is to be moderated or unmoderated.
** JE is going to contact some of his Usenet hosting peers to ask them to run a report of Big-8 groups that are currently getting traffic in the last few years and subtract any completely dead groups as candidates for deletion. The script for the report is available.
*** RL suggested also reporting on the most active groups.
*** TM suggested also reporting those groups whose only posts are automated FAQs/charters.
** RL has reconfigured the WebSTUMP with additional rejection reasons (for spam, etc.). Need to check whether these reasons are standard with the distribution.
* Misc
** RL noted that today is September 9999, 1993 (and there was much rejoicing).
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-01-22

Present: RL, TM, JE
* Admin
** TM: Alternatives to incorporating the Board as a legal entity: Open Collective Europe or Open Source Collective. It was agreed to review this material and discuss it at the next meeting.
** JE: Dario N. is no longer interested in being moderator for 
** JE: Geoff W. will should be submitting a new RFD to news.announce.newgroups with discussion happening on news.groups.proposals per the official steps.
** JE: Paul S. is curating a series of "30 Years Ago" articles for rec.radio.amateur.*. JE provided him with the original posts from when these groups were created as he requested as well as the original control files.
** TM: Received a request to become moderator of the "Google Group"; replied with general information on Usenet and moderation. (Note that the group in question is unmoderated.) The enquirer will consult with this colleagues and get back if interested in pursuing the idea of a new group (or change in moderation status of the existing group).
** JE: Reached out to community regarding identifying dead newsgroups, but no response. Will consult our own wiki for what process was used last time.
* (Web)STUMP
** RL: Looking at unifying rejection reasons across STUMP/WebSTUMP; default installations use different reasons and don't have default rejection reasons for spam. Will keep working on it next week.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-01-29

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Admin
** Geoff W. is asking to see if we have a copy of the RFD that he submitted. JE to handle this.
** The Board further discussed the possibility of creating a virtual non-profit under OpenCollective. JE to reach out to existing OpenCollective members for recommendations.
* Publicity
** No notification yet from LibrePlanet concerning our talk proposals
** JE submitted a session at SUSECon Digital 2021 on containerizing INN and will use this as an opportunity to advertise the Big-8 and the Board's work.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-02-05

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Admin
** JE reported that Geoff Wood has now posted an RFD for rec.audio.pcdaw to news.groups, which has been well received so far. It was agreed to give the proposal at least another week to attract comments and to ask Geoff whether any of his prospective users would like to contribute.
* Wiki
** JE reported that he has been in touch with Charles Lindsey of the uk.* hierarchy and exchanged some corrections/updates for our respective websites. JE to implement these on our side.
* Publicity/misc
** JE is continuing work on containerization of INN for SUSECon Digital 2021
** TM reported that he is finalizing a funding proposal for a research project focused on Usenet and will circulate a draft to the Board in a week or so
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-02-12

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Infrastructure
** JE has renewed the big-8.org domain name for two years and has covered the expenses for now; TM/RL can pay for the web hosting before we settle everything
* Admin
** Still waiting on resubmission of malformed RfD for rec.audio.pcdaw
* STUMP/WebSTUMP
** RL has committed an option to silently ignore a submission to the official repository (for dealing with spam messages, etc.)
* Publicity
** Still no LibrePlanet notification; will send query if no response by next week
** JE got in touch with someone from LPI who is interested in old technology; sent a copy of the press release
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-02-19

Present: TM, RL
Apologies: JE
* Infrastructure
** RL has updated the GnuPG-related configuration for our STUMP installations on Panix, following Paul Schleck's discovery of breakage arising from Panix's system update
* Publicity
** FSF has sent out a press release announcing the invited speaker and indicating that the rest of the conference program will be posted soon
* Admin
** JE has arranged for a meeting with an OpenCollective representative, which we will all attend
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021
Minutes/2021-02-26

Present: TM, RL
Apologies: JE
* Publicity
** LibrePlanet program still not released; TM to write to organizers to ask whether we will be presenting, as we need to schedule time to prepare our presentations
* Admin
** OpenCollective meeting is scheduled for 12 March
* STUMP
** RL is looking at adding a test framework to STUMP, since currently testing the impact of even minor changes to the code requires a fully working STUMP installation
* Misc
** RL gave notice that due to an upcoming long-term commitment, he may need to reschedule/adjust his participation
Category:Meeting minutes for 2021