Pyogp/Chat Logs/Daily Meeting/30 jul 2008

* [9:33] Infinity Linden: hola lock
* [9:33] Locklainn Linden: hey Infinity
* [9:33] Locklainn Linden: and the rest
* [9:33] Locklainn Linden: who I can'
* [9:33] Infinity Linden: looks like the crowd is here
* [9:33] Locklainn Linden: t see yet :)
* [9:33] Bartholomew Kleiber: hi
* [9:34] Infinity Linden: i'm curious if Sai is going to come and post a transcript
* [9:34] Tao Takashi: sorry, I am still here in a RL meeting as well
* [9:34] Tao Takashi: will be more active in 5 mins
* [9:34] Enus Linden: kk
* [9:34] Infinity Linden: 'k.. we can discuss non-important topics first
* [9:34] Infinity Linden: and wait for Sai
* [9:34] Tao Takashi: thx
* [9:34] Infinity Linden: so... how 'bout that local sports team?
* [9:34] Enus Linden: they are sucking
* [9:35] Infinity Linden: oh! we have a local sports team?
* [9:35] Locklainn Linden: hope your talking about the Red Sox :)
* [9:35] Enus Linden: and the weather is {instert weather} as usual
* [9:35] Enus Linden: res sox suck
* [9:35] Infinity Linden: kyo no tenki tenki des
* [9:35] Bartholomew Kleiber: lol
* [9:35] Locklainn Linden: haha
* [9:35] Enus Linden: red sox suck
* [9:35] Locklainn Linden: ye ayea Enus
* [9:35] Locklainn Linden: that's just cuz ur jealous :)
* [9:35] Enus Linden: :)
* [9:36] Enus Linden: hush
* [9:36] Infinity Linden: okay.. while Tao's away, let's discuss our secret plan to recode everything in COBOL
* [9:36] Enus Linden: runs
* [9:36] Bartholomew Kleiber: LOL
* [9:36] Locklainn Linden: tests the slash me
* [9:36] Bartholomew Kleiber: I though Erlang was en vogue
* [9:36] Infinity Linden: only with some folk
* [9:36] Bartholomew Kleiber: Haskell?
* [9:36] Enus Linden: so fwiw, i'm spending my morning config-ifying the handling of test data for pyogp.interop.tests tests
* [9:37] Infinity Linden: hell.. if we start doing stuff in Erlang (officially), i'm going to start using Smalltalk
* [9:37] Infinity Linden: for interop?
* [9:37] Tao Takashi: ok, there
* [9:37] Infinity Linden: hola
* [9:37] Enus Linden: it's going well, if only i knew how to tell the script where the damn config file is via paths
* [9:37] Bartholomew Kleiber: hi Sai
* [9:37] Tao Takashi: so what was this about delegation? :)
* [9:37] Enus Linden: yeah, for interop infinity
* [9:37] Infinity Linden: enh.. nevermind
* [9:37] Infinity Linden: Enus...
* [9:38] Infinity Linden: what data are you using?
* [9:38] Enus Linden: account info
* [9:38] Enus Linden: uris
* [9:38] Enus Linden: etc
* [9:38] Enus Linden: svn gets the template
* [9:38] Infinity Linden: okay... wish i had known about that earlier
* [9:38] Enus Linden: user provides the content
* [9:38] Infinity Linden: I spent most of the day yesterday crafting SQL to insert test accounts into aditi
* [9:38] Enus Linden: w00t!
* [9:38] Enus Linden: that won't work for most users though
* [9:39] Enus Linden: these tests will be for users outside of our systems
* [9:39] Infinity Linden: yes... they will have to come up with a different way to add users to their agent domain
* [9:39] Infinity Linden: but
* [9:39] Enus Linden: but i will gladly use your code for internal test instances
* [9:39] Enus Linden: so, statuses around?
* [9:40] Infinity Linden: what about teleport... do you have different accounts for teleport tests?
* [9:40] Enus Linden: i can infinity
* [9:40] Enus Linden: but some hurdles block pyogp and teleport atm
* [9:40] Infinity Linden: okay... i'm just wondering if the stuff i'm doing will have any utility
* [9:40] Enus Linden: e.g. rez_avatar/derez (derez_avatar) fails in my tests
* [9:40] Saijanai Kuhn: ...eclipse seems to have et all my old files
* [9:41] Enus Linden: i need to look into why
* [9:41] Enus Linden: i believe it to be a presence issue
* [9:41] Locklainn Linden: how do they fail for youenus?
* [9:41] Enus Linden: but i am not sure as i havent dug
* [9:41] Infinity Linden: blergh...
* [9:41] Enus Linden: i'll work on that once config whatnot is done
* [9:41] Infinity Linden: we'll have to get with Tess and Leyla on that one
* [9:41] Enus Linden: and will let you help lock : ) and tess and leyla yes
* [9:41] Infinity Linden: is the interop-5 viewer broken?
* [9:41] Enus Linden: i think the server logs will be helpful, that's where i saw the failure
* [9:41] Enus Linden: at 1 am
* [9:42] Enus Linden: and then i went to sleep
* [9:42] Enus Linden: :D
* [9:42] Locklainn Linden: thanks for letting me help enus, I appreciate it :)
* [9:42] Infinity Linden: yeah... you and me both
* [9:42] Infinity Linden: some day ask me about our web services tier
* [9:42] Infinity Linden: and my opinions of it
* [9:42] Infinity Linden: bu
* [9:42] Infinity Linden: but
* [9:42] Enus Linden: lock, help where you want... you are welcome to wrestle the other bits you've started
* [9:42] Infinity Linden: let's do status
* [9:42] Enus Linden: lock, GO!
* [9:42] Locklainn Linden: will do enus, wanted to talk to you about that
* [9:42] Locklainn Linden: ok
* [9:42] Locklainn Linden: me
* [9:43] Locklainn Linden: so, I finished up the UDP message handling
* [9:43] Infinity Linden: w00t!
* [9:43] Locklainn Linden: that is, parser, builder, reader
* [9:43] Enus Linden: yay!
* [9:43] Saijanai Kuhn: ah found the eqg code
* [9:43] Locklainn Linden: (no not handling, realized I said that)
* [9:43] Locklainn Linden: and I also refactored the test_request_rez_avatar to use Tao's network code
* [9:43] Locklainn Linden: so that it works without the indra egg
* [9:44] Infinity Linden: are you using the indra code, just not in an egg?
* [9:44] Locklainn Linden: no
* [9:44] Locklainn Linden: went to urllib2
* [9:44] Saijanai Kuhn: have it on a note card if anyone wants it
* [9:44] Tao Takashi: indra.ipc is what he is talking about
* [9:44] Enus Linden: i'll test that lock, and port the changes to the other scripts as well
* [9:44] Tao Takashi: we still use indra.base and indra.util
* [9:44] Locklainn Linden: but the point is that we can switch to indra once we get it in
* [9:44] Locklainn Linden: hmm
* [9:44] Locklainn Linden: StdLibRestClient uses indra?
* [9:44] Infinity Linden: oh oh... so we're still using the llsd from indra... just not the llsdpost from ipc?
* [9:44] Tao Takashi: no
* [9:45] Tao Takashi: networking is correct, no indra used then
* [9:45] Tao Takashi: but in general we use the llsd stuff of course
* [9:45] Tao Takashi: right, Infinity
* [9:45] Infinity Linden: cool... that's probably easier to use
* [9:45] Infinity Linden: and eventlet can be a touch confusing at times
* [9:45] Locklainn Linden: right
* [9:46] Locklainn Linden: we hope to use eventlet someday
* [9:46] Locklainn Linden: but until indra is an egg, and we get eventlet buildout problems sorted
* [9:46] Locklainn Linden: we'll just put it off :)
* [9:46] Tao Takashi: the application is free to use it anyway
* [9:46] Infinity Linden: okay.. .let's move along
* [9:46] Enus Linden: so, what next lock?
* [9:47] Locklainn Linden: so
* [9:47] Locklainn Linden: I'm trying to get UDP messaging to work
* [9:47] Locklainn Linden: so we can start with teleport
* [9:47] Infinity Linden: c00l
* [9:47] Locklainn Linden: just going to write some high-level stuff
* [9:47] Locklainn Linden: just enough to get it to work
* [9:47] Locklainn Linden: then refactor
* [9:47] Locklainn Linden: of course, without shooting myself in the foot
* [9:47] Enus Linden: souns good lock
* [9:48] Infinity Linden: well... just remember...
* [9:48] Locklainn Linden: unless of course enus wants me to work on something else
* [9:48] Infinity Linden: if you shoot yourself in the foot...
* [9:48] Infinity Linden: don't reload
* [9:48] Locklainn Linden: haha
* [9:48] Locklainn Linden: will remember, thanks infinity
* [9:48] Saijanai Kuhn: so does anyone need the EQG code its pretty trivial
* [9:48] Enus Linden: mutters something about keyboards not doing what he tells them to
* [9:48] Enus Linden: that sounds like a good priority for now lock
* [9:48] Tao Takashi: Sai: we all ;-)
* [9:48] Locklainn Linden: ok
* [9:48] Locklainn Linden: works for me then
* [9:48] Locklainn Linden: that's it for me as well
* [9:48] Enus Linden: infinty, you're up
* [9:48] Saijanai Kuhn: gave you New Note.
* [9:48] Tao Takashi: thanks, sai!
* [9:49] Enus Linden: ty sai!
* [9:49] Bartholomew Kleiber: thx
* [9:49] Infinity Linden: cuil, Sai!
* [9:49] Saijanai Kuhn: I think extract_cap is already defined in the presence code
* [9:49] Locklainn Linden: thanks sai
* [9:49] Infinity Linden: 'k
* [9:49] Locklainn Linden: can you also post that to the mailing list
* [9:49] Infinity Linden: lately i've been wrestling with SQL
* [9:49] Locklainn Linden: or put it on the wiki somewhere?
* [9:49] Tao Takashi: checks the cap stuff
* [9:49] Saijanai Kuhn: KK but later have doctor's app in 109
* [9:50] Saijanai Kuhn: 10
* [9:50] Infinity Linden: si we have standard test accounts
* [9:50] Locklainn Linden: whenever you have time sai
* [9:50] Locklainn Linden: no rush
* [9:50] Infinity Linden: and over the next 24 I'm talking to Tess and Leyla to figure out what bits of our implementation are canonical
* [9:50] Infinity Linden: and which are for "historic interest only"
* [9:51] Locklainn Linden: meaning, legacy?
* [9:51] Infinity Linden: not "legacy" in the way it's used in the spec
* [9:51] Infinity Linden: but which bits were added to try to make auth.py work in an changing environment
* [9:51] Locklainn Linden: ohhh ok
* [9:51] Infinity Linden: i.e. - our implementation actually supports a lot of stuff that 'aint in the spec
* [9:52] Infinity Linden: and we're trying to figure out if we're going to add it in the spec or rip it out of the implementation
* [9:52] Enus Linden: lock, we could implement legacy support post LL beta push if you like. next week, let's collectively work on a roadmap
* [9:52] Enus Linden: when do you hope to send me the tarball of your bits infinity?
* [9:53] Enus Linden: and, can that be committed to the public svn?
* [9:53] Enus Linden: if sql is in there, i think not
* [9:53] Infinity Linden: today after the 11pm
* [9:53] Infinity Linden: nope
* [9:53] Infinity Linden: there's a different tarball for the stuf that's internal only
* [9:53] Locklainn Linden: sounds good enus, whatever you think we need to do
* [9:53] Enus Linden: k infinity
* [9:54] Enus Linden: all done inf?
* [9:54] Infinity Linden: yup
* [9:54] Tao Takashi: the eqg cap is called event_queue/get or EventQueueGet?
* [9:54] Enus Linden: tao, what are you up to?
* [9:54] Tao Takashi: checking if I get one from the AD
* [9:54] Enus Linden: EventQueueGet i believe
* [9:54] Tao Takashi: spec says otherwise but maybe I just try
* [9:55] Locklainn Linden: well
* [9:55] Locklainn Linden: there are 2 event queues
* [9:55] Locklainn Linden: one for sim
* [9:55] Locklainn Linden: and one for AD
* [9:55] Locklainn Linden: that's probably the confusion
* [9:56] Tao Takashi: but I guess I get the one for the AD from the seed cap of the AD
* [9:56] Locklainn Linden: yea
* [9:56] Locklainn Linden: which is event_queue
* [9:56] Locklainn Linden: last time I checked
* [9:56] Locklainn Linden: not sure if the updated it to event_queue/get
* [9:56] Enus Linden: cool, well, thanks to sai we'll get it :)
* [9:57] Enus Linden: tao, and statuses for the huddle?
* [9:57] Enus Linden: any*
* [9:57] Tao Takashi: I started some documentation at as an example and posted to the list (it will be in svn shortly)
* [9:57] Tao Takashi: and besides that I tried to compile the interop viewer all the time
* [9:57] Enus Linden: n olove huh?
* [9:58] Tao Takashi: I also made some progress on my agentdomain implementation but I guess I need to implement eqg next then ;_)
* [9:58] Tao Takashi: not sure it works with a live client though
* [9:58] Bartholomew Kleiber: which Visual Studio version is recommended to compile?
* [9:58] Tao Takashi: will be posted soon to an svn near you
* [9:58] Enus Linden: cool tao
* [9:58] Tao Takashi: I guess it won't be that straightforward to install for now
* [9:58] Tao Takashi: but we will see
* [9:59] Tao Takashi: and next I will be working on some exceptions and right now I try to login
* [9:59] Tao Takashi: but it fails with "Agent does not exist"
* [9:59] Enus Linden: bartholomew, i dont keep up with what's supported. the open source portal has info
* [9:59] Tao Takashi: and 403 Forbidden
* [9:59] Bartholomew Kleiber: ok
* [9:59] Enus Linden: i can help debug tao, later on
* [9:59] Enus Linden: as for me, in 1 min: i'm working on 
* [10:00] Enus Linden: getting interop testing going to supoort the beta
* [10:00] Enus Linden: is going ok ish
* [10:00] Enus Linden: lock refactored one of our internal test case problems, i'll refactor the others
* [10:00] Locklainn Linden: nice
* [10:00] Enus Linden: i need to set up a test running instance that can publish to the public
* [10:00] Enus Linden: i refactored test_ogplogin
* [10:01] Tao Takashi: thanks enus :)
* [10:01] Enus Linden: ran into issues with teleport that i have to work on (lock is exploring to a degree too)
* [10:01] Enus Linden: and am also using ConfigParser to handle test data for interop tests
* [10:01] Enus Linden: anyone who can help me get a file's absolute path? :D
* [10:01] Enus Linden: that's it for me ...
* [10:02] Tao Takashi: Enus: that's a little special in an egg
* [10:02] Enus Linden: anything else from the group?
* [10:02] Tao Takashi: but I can show you
* [10:02] Enus Linden: sure Ta, thanks!
* [10:02] Infinity Linden: 'k .. aer we done... Sai's gotta run
* [10:02] Enus Linden: goes back to high school to take typing
* [10:02] Enus Linden: all done
* [10:02] Enus Linden: danke all!
* [10:02] Locklainn Linden: thanks everyone
* [10:02] Infinity Linden: 'k.. i gotta go run contemplate the navel of our implementation
* [10:03] Bartholomew Kleiber: thx
* [10:03] Infinity Linden: cheers all
* [10:03] Enus Linden: tao, would you have time to help with paths now, or later?
* [10:03] Bartholomew Kleiber: and bye
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