Community Translation Project/Office Hours/2009 09 15

== Summary ==
* Logo search is extended
* New viewer strings might soon be available in the JIRA
* Ramzi asks if Residents would like to see LSL editor hoovertips localized. Controversial topic.
* Short discussion about viewer localization to Traditional Chinese.
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== Transcript ==
[13:00]	:	㋡
[13:00]	:	hi lexie :)
[13:00]	:	How is everyone doing?
[13:00]	:	great ty and you ?
[13:00]	:	good, thx
[13:00]	:	fine, tks. And You?
[13:00]	:	I'm good ㋡
[13:00]	:	doing good.
[13:00]	:	:-)
[13:01]	:	No real topics today. Just checking in to say hi. See how things are and if you have any questions.
[13:01]	:	I have not heard back from ramzi yet but expect I will soon on some new tasks : ))
[13:01]	:	no questions (in European or Standard Portuguese... lol)
[13:01]	:	lol
[13:02]	:	What have you all been doing this last week?
[13:02]	:	hanging lazy on the couch playing couch patato?
[13:02]	:	breathing :)
[13:02]	:	hehe
[13:02]	:	I enjoyed holidays
[13:02]	:	related with translations, nothing at all ;.(
[13:02]	:	well, actually trying to keep SL answers busy
[13:02]	:	but not happy with it atm
[13:02]	:	translations but about BL he he
[13:02]	:	: )) I see you there Blck
[13:03]	:	oh thats good..translations for BL
[13:03]	:	I know Spanish and BR Portuguese were doing a NUE survey translation
[13:03]	:	Its coming along good. 2300 words or so
[13:03]	:	What annoys me is the SPAM coming up and not being deleted and people carrying the fights from the forums into SL answers
[13:03]	:	great
[13:04]	:	Blck..when you see that, please feel free to let me know
[13:04]	:	I will try to close those threads down as needed
[13:04]	:	Many are still thinking SL Answers is the "new forums"..
[13:04]	:	What's apprently not really clear yet is the role SL Answers is going to play: forum for discussions or helping with answers
[13:04]	:	Its not
[13:04]	:	hi bebe
[13:05]	:	Hi all :))
[13:05]	:	so I can't spam my illegal viagra pills on the Q&A, eh? ;)
[13:05]	:	lisa lol
[13:05]	:	Bebe hello
[13:05]	:	Well, I could put a reminder on Answers that it has a Q&A format only...not lengthy discussion
[13:05]	:	lol Lisa
[13:05]	:	i think you wont need those lisa ;)
[13:05]	:	some believe it will replace the forums and they don't understand yet fully what it was meant for - maybe it should be made clearer
[13:05]	:	well better than enlarge your P.....
[13:05]	:	Hi Bebe ㋡
[13:05]	:	he he
[13:05]	:	I don't :)
[13:05]	:	hi Bebe
[13:05]	:	Hi Lexie :))
[13:05]	:	if it´s virtual viagra and someone asks for it ...
[13:05]	:	I will see what I can do on that Blck.
[13:05]	:	Hi Radioactive:)
[13:05]	:	*kidding*
[13:06]	:	great, TY Lexie
[13:06]	:	lol Torben
[13:06]	:	Lexie Linden is talking to you
[13:06]	:	bad!
[13:06]	:	Hi Lanny and Ranzi
[13:06]	:	hi hi, i'm back ㋡
[13:06]	:	Hi Ramzi : )
[13:06]	:	wb. Yann
[13:06]	:	Lanny and Ramzi hello :))
[13:06]	:	hi!
[13:06]	:	WB Yann
[13:06]	:	Hi Lanny ㋡
[13:06]	:	hi Ramzi :)
[13:06]	:	Hi all :D
[13:06]	:	nice (_!_) back Yann
[13:06]	:	wb Yann
[13:07]	:	thanks torben ㋡
[13:07]	:	Yann Dufaux is talking to you
[13:07]	:	hi Hi Lady Ramzi
[13:07]	:	:)
[13:07]	:	hi Lanny, Bebe
[13:07]	:	hello Ramzi! ㋡
[13:07]	:	Hi Lisa
[13:07]	:	hi Lady Ramzi
[13:07]	:	Your Royal Highness
[13:07]	:	Hi lexie!! XXXX ㋡
[13:07]	:	lag... lol
[13:07]	:	How many of you have looked at the CT Forums this week?
[13:07]	:	I bet not many?
[13:07]	:	nope
[13:07]	:	uhmmm, no LOL
[13:07]	:	★ HELLO ★ BONJOUR ★ HOLA ★ BUONGIORNO ★ GUTEN TAG ★
[13:07]	:	I confess.....
[13:07]	 	looks down to the floor
[13:07]	:	hehe ok
[13:08]	:	hey zai
[13:08]	:	LOul Ourasi
[13:08]	:	too many places to work and to check
[13:08]	:	ellow =)
[13:08]	:	Radio is looking for the fishes, down, at the see...
[13:08]	:	lol
[13:08]	:	never look at that, actually.....
[13:08]	:	Zai :)
[13:08]	:	Hi Zai : )
[13:08]	:	Zai :))
[13:08]	 	smiles
[13:08]	:	I work to translate BL in french! :p
[13:08]	:	hi Ourasi, Zai
[13:08]	:	hi Zai :)
[13:08]	:	ah Ourasi! je t'avais pas vue!!
[13:08]	:	ellow =)
[13:08]	:	Ourasi coucou
[13:08]	:	ok, I did bring up the subject of "scattered" resources and we are thinking on ways to focus in one place more
[13:08]	:	Hi Ourasi ㋡
[13:09]	:	Lexie I didnt read Forunsthis week.
[13:09]	:	Rzi, i have a question for you!!! ㋡
[13:09]	:	hi Lexie
[13:09]	:	Ramzi*
[13:09]	:	ok Bebe ㋡
[13:09]	:	⊙Ok ⊙
[13:09]	:	lol sorry lol
[13:09]	:	I talked to a few people about joining the volunteers and esp. the CT ... the feedback was a bit of a smack in the face
[13:09]	:	how so?
[13:09]	:	about snowglobe i can send the little modification of french UUID too?
[13:09]	:	not nice
[13:10]	:	Touched.
[13:10]	:	Touched.
[13:10]	:	in short and harsh words: "We pay LL for providing software and infratsructure and now we shall do their work?"
[13:10]	:	Touched.
[13:10]	:	ok, some do not like to Volunteer
[13:10]	:	and ramzi i just need a little remember of the jiras for the french uid ㋡
[13:10]	:	well...that's a clear answer at least ;)
[13:10]	:	I think some do not understand the value that you all do..how you impact SL
[13:10]	:	hey all ㋡
[13:10]	:	hi Biancaluce
[13:11]	:	ciao Bianca
[13:11]	:	Lexie ㋡
[13:11]	:	hey bianca :)
[13:11]	:	Hi Bianca : )
[13:11]	:	Any plans already on the promotional side for the CT group?
[13:11]	:	It's hard to make clear that we participate to bring in our ideas
[13:11]	:	Ciao ◕ ‿ ◕ Ciao
[13:11]	:	a tutti
[13:11]	 	has no permission to enter the forum
[13:11]	:	hi bianca
[13:11]	:	Hi Bianca
[13:11]	:	Right Blck..I can see that
[13:11]	:	Lanny I will get you access
[13:11]	:	Thanks @@"
[13:12]	:	hi Ramzi
[13:12]	:	No update on the PR yet Lisa..still planning a MOTD
[13:12]	:	I will let you know before it happens
[13:12]	:	ok
[13:12]	:	If you want people to understand why you volunteer..hand them the Project page link in wiki. Or even the Localization Portal.
[13:13]	:	I think it is hard to explain and easier to see on the pages because the information and contributions are extensive
[13:13]	:	why should I explain that to others?
[13:13]	:	You do not have to
[13:13]	:	But if you want to..links are good : ))
[13:14]	:	I think much of the SL experience is helping others and sometimes that means explaining things
[13:14]	:	But again..it is a choice. You do not have to do that if you feel they are not receptive
[13:14]	:	Hard to explain my motivation to do certain things ... I sometimes don't know myself :-) But right, the portal is a good resource to explain a bit
[13:15]	:	Keep doing what you love to do and thats translating etc.
[13:15]	:	oh, I have something else on file ... the increasing slowness of the wiki
[13:15]	:	It is hard to explain ㋡ Volunteers are just that giving kind of person who likes to make things bigger/better
[13:15]	:	ok..is that this week?
[13:16]	:	or long term getting worse
[13:16]	:	hat has lead to effects that are a bit unproductive: other wkis are better mainatined than the wiki in regards to scripting esp.
[13:16]	:	good point Cobra same here
[13:16]	:	last week was horrible - often unusuable ... but in long terms also
[13:16]	:	it´s always slow but getting worse
[13:17]	:	I caught myself using the LSLwiki instead and also pointing people looking for functions to it
[13:17]	:	I have been thinking about a different project page on the wiki. It is still half done so far, but maybe it might be more attractive in the end.
[13:17]	:	I have not heard anything about issues with it. Zai..have you heard anything or noticed anything?
[13:17]	:	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Lisa_Lowe/CTintroprotypepage
[13:17]	:	not more than usual though usual means slow, unfortunatly :-/
[13:17]	:	It seems the effect is worse when you log into teh wiki via https
[13:18]	:	great Lisa..I cant wait to see it!
[13:18]	:	there's no other way to use it when you want to be logged in
[13:18]	:	I gave up 3 times when I tried to edit a page
[13:18]	:	Oh I have one question about the survey.. I have no office in my computer... then i download the trial from microsoft for keep the format.. but i receive one message where microsof says .. give this link for your friends can open what you will save in office trial.. I dont know if this will works well. But is a problem if I upload the final in worpad?
[13:18]	:	oh slowly wiki agaisn, the wiki don't like me lol
[13:18]	:	It may take a while, as I will go on holiday for 4 weeks first :)
[13:18]	:	i'm opening
[13:18]	:	hmm ok I will ask around and see if there is anything going on with wiki.
[13:18]	:	took minutes to log in - but pingtimes were okay, it looks like the server is totally overloaded preparing pages for delivery
[13:18]	:	but also very slow
[13:18]	:	I often use multiple tabs in my browser so I edit one page, click "preview" and edit the next until the other shows me the desired preview ^^
[13:19]	:	hehehe
[13:19]	:	zai anticipates lag :)
[13:19]	:	^_^
[13:19]	:	Bebe..I think it will be ok but let me check and tell you in a bit
[13:19]	:	Zai causes the lag LOL
[13:19]	:	great Lisa :))
[13:19]	:	eeeeps
[13:19]	:	lol
[13:19]	:	*hides*
[13:19]	:	Thanks Lexie.
[13:19]	:	thx
[13:19]	 	throws some jellybeans at Zai
[13:19]	:	ehhehehehehe
[13:19]	:	woot!
[13:19]	:	lol Zai I do that too sometimes
[13:20]	:	if anyone has images or ideas to improve it, just ping me
[13:20]	:	throwing jelly beans at me? kewl!!!
[13:20]	:	Zai i have right , to a ISP shutdown for 7 hours this night ...
[13:20]	:	waiting for the page to load...
[13:20]	:	hehehe
[13:20]	:	uhm o.O
[13:20]	:	^^
[13:20]	:	damns dns error ㋡
[13:20]	:	the wiki page loads fast for me.
[13:21]	:	Just got it. You all must have rigged it to be slow to make your point :p
[13:21]	:	lol
[13:21]	:	there is no layout in it yet.....just some text to get started
[13:21]	:	^^
[13:21]	:	Lisa great ㋡
[13:21]	:	the wiki don't like multiple users ;)
[13:22]	:	This looks like it will be a great page!
[13:22]	:	atm the time is quite good: about 10-25 seconds to load a webpage
[13:22]	:	When do you leave for vacation Lisa?
[13:22]	:	it is more like a little introduction for new translators
[13:22]	:	slowly talking them into the CT group :)
[13:22]	:	Nice!
[13:22]	:	page loading should be quick and not to much distractions of pictures. people dont like to wait to long for a webpage to load
[13:23]	:	Did someone say they had a question for Ramzi?
[13:23]	:	I thought I saw that in chat
[13:23]	:	usually the wiki works better then tonight
[13:23]	:	Yann did
[13:23]	:	ahh ok
[13:23]	:	wake up lil robot :)
[13:23]	:	awwww
[13:23]	:	*-->MDR<--*
[13:23]	:	I have a question for the CT group!
[13:24]	:	⊙Ok ⊙
[13:24]	:	ramzi
[13:24]	:	Go for it Ramzi
[13:24]	:	ah cool, ramzi :)
[13:24]	:	I am almost ready to post some new viewer strings in the CT- jira... This would be maybe 200 segments (or so).
[13:24]	:	ok
[13:24]	:	Do you think that your language communities would be ready to work on a project about that size?
[13:25]	:	200 for each local?
[13:25]	:	There is no rush on it-- maybe have several weeks to work on translations
[13:25]	:	yes, 200 for each locale
[13:25]	:	what is the time limit?
[13:25]	:	how many words contains a "segment"?
[13:25]	:	good questions Zai
[13:25]	:	^^ ty
[13:25]	:	Zai, it depends ... but probably 10-25 words in each segment. Sometimes even more.
[13:26]	:	These strings include a bunch of Help Hover tips from the LSL scripting editor
[13:26]	:	what is the time limit? when do you need it?
[13:26]	:	wow i need to learn more....
[13:26]	:	for example, when you hover over the script command llSay(), a hover tip explains how to use that command.
[13:26]	:	Ow.
[13:27]	:	/Youri - several weeks
[13:27]	:	ah ah
[13:27]	:	so scripting experiance is needed
[13:27]	:	you'll all learn LSL along the way also then :)
[13:27]	:	(Thinking of Copying and pasting from LSLwiki)
[13:27]	:	hmm.. lots of work in short time
[13:27]	:	LOL
[13:27]	:	Lanny - yes, I was thinking about copying & pasting from the LSL wiki too :)
[13:27]	:	It will be a good resource
[13:27]	:	㋡
[13:27]	:	did they became standartisized? i noticed that they weren't, last time I looked. so they'd need to be fixed in english first before beeing set for translation
[13:27]	:	But yes, this will be an interesting "challenge" translation.
[13:28]	:	will the segements be in some format, like xml or so?
[13:28]	:	Zai- can you explain more?
[13:28]	:	Lisa- yes, XML.
[13:28]	:	I need this project to learn hidden commands ㋡
[13:28]	:	Even if I get slayed now: wouldn't it be better to have links from the LSL editor in te hover text rather than translations of short explanations?
[13:28]	:	how many strings do we have if start from 1.23.4.123908
[13:28]	:	like, the way the sentences were worded. sometimes it were full sentences with punctuation marks, sometimes just notes. i'd have to dig for real examples tho i could sent them
[13:28]	:	those explanations are worthless for an experienced scripter and confusing and misleading for new scripters
[13:28]	:	s/have/ have to translate
[13:29]	:	BlckCobra - thats a good point, but also the Script Editor does include a way to go directly to the LSL wiki.
[13:29]	:	If you decide too, we can skip the translation into a particular language if your community thinks it really is not useful
[13:30]	:	Then, the hovertips would just remain in English. WHich is what they do right now.
[13:30]	:	Do any of you think that?
[13:30]	:	It´s worth trying anyways
[13:30]	:	I'd like to see them translated, actually... fixed in english and then translated
[13:30]	:	that's also my opinion... but i'm suspect... i'm a IT man
[13:30]	:	Ok, this is good feedback. Zai, I will try to make them consistent. Now I understand what you mean.
[13:30]	:	Fixed in English is a big project as well right Zai?
[13:31]	:	Or is it not "that" bad
[13:31]	:	just my personal opinion: programming languages are based on english and the rest gives a headache mix if short explanations try to say things in other languages
[13:31]	:	not sure about "big" but yes, it will take some time ^^
[13:31]	:	and it's a lot to translate into many languages
[13:31]	:	agree Cobra
[13:31]	:	it's why i hate translation of a Programming Language
[13:31]	:	blckcobra, i agree.
[13:31]	:	and no translate in french i think
[13:31]	:	and we do kind of teh same work in the wiki - with detailled explanations in many languages
[13:31]	:	some words are hard to translate
[13:32]	:	Ilike it trasnlated for portuguese-br but i am concerned about time.. because if i will translate it, i think i should to learn the initial steps about scripting.
[13:32]	:	How much time we have for translate it?
[13:32]	:	that ends up in things like "Heimseite" instead of the international used term Home/-Webpage
[13:32]	:	we have many forums in french for that
[13:32]	:	and the script command is anyway llGotoWebpage....
[13:32]	:	programming language is quite universal ..
[13:32]	:	and not "llGotoHeimSeite..."
[13:33]	:	Bebe- well, why dont I post them and people can take a look at how hard they might be. And then each language team can decide "Yes, we want to do this. Or no, this would only make things more confusing."
[13:33]	:	llGeheNachHeimeite ;)
[13:33]	:	Good idea Ramzi
[13:33]	:	LOL
[13:33]	:	well spoken, BlckCobra
[13:33]	:	*seite
[13:33]	:	thx Lisa :-)
[13:33]	:	Those are good points... this will be a special kind of translation where you always keep the NAME OF THE FUNCTION (llSetTouch) in english.
[13:33]	:	Homepage is more of a German word than Heimseite I think... though it should be possible to translate the documentation of it with words that a non-english speaker understands.
[13:33]	:	will that run an error in LSL? ;)
[13:34]	:	I agree with Cobra. The scripting community differs from the rest of SL residents
[13:34]	:	I think is really good you post and we try translate it. You prefer we look without talk about time? Maybe is really better.
[13:34]	:	in italy for example "homepage" is common to say
[13:34]	:	instead of pagina principale
[13:34]	:	Ok, thanks everyone. I just wanted to start on some new viewer strings now. Because I know that lots of new strings will be coming in October, too, when the next version of the Viewer ("Viewer 2009") might kick off as well.
[13:34]	:	I agree Zai, it can be done. Question is if it's really useful at all for scripters (do they benefit from a translation or will it confuse more than it will help)
[13:35]	:	because the net came from USA and we keep originals in many words
[13:35]	:	It will confuse me... I am sure of that
[13:35]	:	true Bianca
[13:35]	:	yep
[13:35]	:	Ramzi, you make me confused a little
[13:35]	:	Sounds good Ramzi. You all can take a look at the segments and get a better idea if you want to take it on or not
[13:35]	:	㋡
[13:35]	:	yeah I see... should always give people a chance to switch... maybe even to distinguish: "viewer in German, but LSL editor in English"
[13:35]	:	yup
[13:36]	:	LOL Zai
[13:36]	:	LSL language in English is better
[13:36]	:	Ramzi when you will post it?
[13:36]	:	it's not that we translate LSL. just the documentation
[13:36]	:	10 ppl, 11 opinions ...
[13:36]	:	ohohoh...
[13:36]	:	lol
[13:36]	:	hehe
[13:36]	:	ahhaahahahha
[13:36]	:	all computer language are in english
[13:36]	:	lol
[13:36]	:	(almost)
[13:36]	:	99.9%
[13:36]	:	Bebe- I will post it on Friday, or Monday.
[13:36]	:	yes , learn your english same of me ㋡
[13:36]	:	Almost... remember Pascal?
[13:36]	:	LOL
[13:36]	:	no lanny, all are
[13:36]	:	Question to the French and German... Are your Java editors in your own language???
[13:36]	:	*-->MDR<--*
[13:37]	:	Ok, that was my only question for the group. Back to you Lexie :)
[13:37]	:	Thanks Ramzi : ))
[13:37]	:	⊙▽⊙⊙Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes ⊙▽⊙⊙ Yes !
[13:37]	:	zhPy is based on Python and in Chinese XD"
[13:37]	:	every coding there is, is based on english as language.
[13:37]	:	(for french)
[13:37]	:	thanks Ramzi! bice to meet you every time ㋡
[13:37]	:	actually programmers worldwide have choosen english as language to communicate ... not all scripters are professional programmers, but I stikc with my opinion that certain translations of teh short explanations will cause more confusuion than get us benefits
[13:37]	:	the only difference is that some countries use their own language to use as text, explenations, etc
[13:38]	:	⊙▽⊙⊙Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes ⊙▽⊙⊙ Yes !
[13:38]	:	youri
[13:38]	:	I vote for Cobra
[13:38]	:	just for that
[13:38]	:	looll slatan
[13:38]	:	Maybe we best take a look at the segments first before deciding to translate or not....
[13:38]	:	1 got one point LOL
[13:38]	:	??
[13:38]	:	Not a bad idea to talk to your communities and gather some feedback on this from them as well ㋡
[13:38]	:	yep Lisa, I agree
[13:38]	:	i vote also for Cobra
[13:38]	:	⊙Ok ⊙
[13:38]	:	Lexie
[13:38]	:	also good idea, Lexie
[13:38]	:	Right, as Lisa said..then take a look and decide too
[13:39]	:	Lisa, yes, is what Ramzi sugest. We look and we decide it.
[13:39]	:	correct
[13:39]	:	㋡
[13:39]	:	another question if I may stretch your patience
[13:39]	:	sure
[13:39]	:	Nuuuuuuu!
[13:39]	:	question on the CT logo: more coming or is that all so far?
[13:39]	:	lol
[13:39]	:	no
[13:39]	:	I have one idea i wish build one logo
[13:39]	:	have time?
[13:39]	:	the best (easiest) option is use english as primary, then have copies in differend languages added
[13:40]	:	no more new yet
[13:40]	:	I was working in this.. but some questions and i stop all.
[13:40]	:	There is no time limit on it really. I will do some reminders
[13:40]	:	if have time i like to make it.
[13:40]	:	When you asked for the logo I said I am a bad designed for graphical stuff. I was hoping there would be more pending and added soon ;-)
[13:40]	:	i have a idea for the logo if have the time too ^^
[13:40]	:	i got some things working on... but if I will have more time
[13:40]	:	great
[13:41]	:	lol Ourasi
[13:41]	:	Good, i promise, until weekend.
[13:41]	:	by others to ake my suggestions look bad LOL
[13:41]	:	ake=make
[13:41]	:	Lets try to keep away from using the hand or trademark things that could make it so we cannot use it
[13:41]	:	: ))
[13:41]	:	lost my "m"
[13:41]	:	I work for Burning Life a t this time
[13:41]	:	Yay BL!
[13:41]	:	: )
[13:41]	:	me too
[13:41]	:	BL rocks
[13:41]	:	same here
[13:41]	:	it really does
[13:41]	:	YAY!
[13:41]	:	:)
[13:42]	:	maybe we can extend the deadline for the logo a bit?!
[13:42]	:	maybe lexie can put up some boxes overhere with logo's created, so we can all see whats going on?
[13:42]	:	they are in the wiki
[13:42]	:	Jira LOL
[13:42]	:	sorry
[13:42]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CT-491
[13:42]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CT-491
[13:42]	:	*-->MDR<--*
[13:42]	:	oh, see what i win from one friend.. see.. i will worn in my head
[13:42]	:	I will post that in CT group as well again
[13:42]	:	dang, too slow
[13:42]	:	ah ok :)
[13:42]	:	lol
[13:43]	:	LOL
[13:43]	:	I can try working on artwork though
[13:43]	:	If no one has anything else I will return 15 minutes of your day to you and we are done ㋡
[13:43]	:	:-)
[13:43]	:	one question
[13:43]	:	sure
[13:43]	:	do you like black background?
[13:43]	:	ops fall muyy skirt rofl
[13:44]	:	i have lot of work on jira , but before i need to sleep some hours ㋡
[13:44]	:	I think black is ok for a background ㋡
[13:44]	:	does make it easier to read
[13:44]	:	omg
[13:44]	:	rofl
[13:44]	:	don't make me a background :o)
[13:44]	:	LOL
[13:44]	:	ahahahah
[13:44]	:	lol
[13:44]	:	lag i order wear and this dont comes
[13:44]	:	How about a single-colored logo?
[13:44]	:	rofl
[13:44]	 	blushes :))
[13:44]	:	lol
[13:44]	:	see my head?
[13:44]	:	not realy sleep since 15h or 14h yesterday
[13:44]	:	see the sl logo over my head?
[13:44]	:	yes, but no body :P
[13:45]	:	its nice
[13:45]	:	you can get shot for using it :-)
[13:45]	:	Yes but remember: we should avoid using the hand or trademarks
[13:45]	:	㋡
[13:45]	:	rofl
[13:45]	:	he he
[13:45]	:	shot
[13:45]	:	lol
[13:45]	:	lol
[13:45]	:	what means shot? is gun?
[13:45]	:	and if you survive you get shot again
[13:45]	:	play again
[13:45]	:	rofl
[13:46]	:	eheheh
[13:46]	:	the cubes of base in build is not a tradmark? ㋡
[13:46]	:	bebe game over
[13:46]	:	what means ?
[13:46]	:	Yes he meant shot with a gun
[13:46]	:	lol
[13:46]	:	because the logo over my head?
[13:46]	:	the logo is protected and it's not good to use it - even not if you do it for second life purposes
[13:46]	:	not true : ) Maybe cubed
[13:46]	:	oh you are right
[13:46]	:	the one with the book should have a pencil, like it's writing :)
[13:46]	:	really
[13:47]	:	ohm its a small tradmark?:p
[13:47]	:	maybe even animated
[13:47]	:	at least you should have a good lawyer (I came to that believe after reading the SL pages on that)
[13:47]	:	i show because maybe you like make the same for translator logo
[13:47]	:	international logo
[13:47]	:	let me unwear it
[13:47]	:	before shot lol
[13:47]	:	the build is internationl ㋡
[13:47]	:	LOL
[13:47]	:	lol
[13:47]	:	awwwww
[13:47]	:	we won't do that to you
[13:47]	:	i am sorry that the eye in hand is a complicated matter .. it is a way to say we are official
[13:47]	:	no
[13:47]	:	all resident don't make build
[13:48]	:	you make a tralsnaltions of sl to facilit the build and the apprantissage of scripting lsl ㋡
[13:48]	:	fisrt ㋡
[13:48]	:	we have better methods to introduce someone to the ferryman :-)
[13:48]	:	I will show the others what has been submitted so far and see where we stand as far as using anything trademerked. I think no..but will check anyway
[13:48]	:	If no, then maybe those submissions can be modified
[13:49]	:	: ))
[13:49]	:	okey torley give me some idia for ct logo :P
[13:49]	:	HÉhé
[13:49]	:	great!
[13:49]	:	I ear the answer
[13:49]	:	I just was thinking one toy like it for translators team, but not with sl logo.. but with the future logo
[13:49]	:	lucky robot
[13:49]	:	pink & green robot
[13:49]	:	Zai do you have time to post the meeting transcript today?
[13:49]	:	oh wait a moment i think .. on thing
[13:50]	:	If not, I can do it
[13:50]	:	yeah tho i was late ^^ i missed the first parts...
[13:50]	:	It wasnt mostly chat : )) Social
[13:50]	:	was*
[13:50]	:	sorry
[13:50]	:	hehe ok ^^
[13:51]	:	Lanny...Zai would be a good person to talk to about wiki translations
[13:51]	:	sorry big storm coming makes me loose my connction
[13:51]	:	zaipedia :)
[13:51]	:	ok Bianca
[13:51]	:	hehehe
[13:51]	:	^^
[13:51]	:	WB Bianca
[13:51]	:	who's Lanny?
[13:52]	:	ty
[13:52]	:	behind you
[13:52]	:	He is behind you : ))
[13:52]	:	oohhh
[13:52]	:	sorry ^^
[13:52]	:	lol
[13:52]	:	May be away
[13:52]	:	the lovely neko
[13:52]	:	yuss, way cute ^_^
[13:52]	 	gave you die ersten 8 Minuten :).
[13:52]	:	Thanks for coming everyone : ) Great to see and talk to you today
[13:52]	:	TY for your time, Lexie
[13:53]	:	I look forward to hearing what you think about those segments when Ramzi posts them
[13:53]	:	Ty Lexie
[13:53]	:	ty Lexie ty Ramzi
[13:53]	:	@@"
[13:53]	:	: ))
[13:53]	:	Miss Lexie, is there an office hour tomorrow?
[13:53]	:	thanks to you both, Lexie & Ramzi
[13:53]	:	bye Ramzie
[13:53]	:	thanks Lexie :)
[13:53]	:	Your Royal Highness
[13:53]	:	Bye Ramzie
[13:53]	:	gotta run :( have a good one :))
[13:53]	:	Tomorrow..no official OH for me..check my profile. We are going to attend a different OH at 10am about Communication Tools : )
[13:53]	:	cu :-)
[13:53]	:	bye all - have a great evening/night/whatever
[13:53]	:	Thanks kisses and hugs for all and soory because my skirt falls when i wear the logo lol. I really apologize that.
[13:54]	:	Should be a good one for Mentors
[13:54]	 	trying to join CTP, but don't know how to get started if I want to translate the viewer part.
[13:54]	:	bye everyone!
[13:54]	:	nods :)
[13:54]	:	yep
[13:54]	:	nice show then bebe he he
[13:54]	:	bye
[13:54]	:	bye everybody
[13:54]	:	Bye all :)
[13:54]	:	Lanny I will Im you in a minute
[13:54]	:	OK.
[13:54]	:	ugh.... that was a crash o_0
[13:54]	:	Bye for now : )
[13:54]	:	bye bye
[13:54]	:	bye all, até à próxima reunião
[13:54]	:	Bye :)
[13:54]	:	㋡
[13:55]	:	nice avie oura
[13:55]	:	bye all
[13:55]	:	@Lanny isn't the viewer translated into chinese by geneko? In case that was simplified rather than traditional, i'd wait with a translation anyway until ramzi posts strings for SL2.0
[13:55]	:	㋡
[13:55]	:	lol, just my luck, coming in just in time to say bye
[13:55]	:	There's many subtype of Chinese though
[13:55]	:	*-->MDR<--*
[13:56]	:	I think the only semi-officially supported ones are traditional and simplified chinese so far... in case you'd like to add a third one, it would be best to write a mail to Noelle Linden
[13:56]	:	Such as the Chinese used in Taiwan is different from Chinese used in mainland China.
[13:56]	:	@Lanny, yes, I agree with Zai... The structure of the Chinese XML is going to change in Viewer 2.0, so you dont want to work based on the files in the current viewer, 1.23.4.
[13:56]	:	What I want to add is Traditional Chinese though
[13:57]	:	aight, bye bye people
[13:57]	:	cu youri :-)
[13:57]	:	bye Youri
[13:57]	:	@youri... you should come to burningman
[13:57]	:	bye youri :)
[13:57]	:	don't be too hot
[13:58]	:	someone call 911 for him please.....:)
[13:58]	:	^^
[13:58]	:	ramzy, i wait the viewer 2009 with impatiance ㋡
[13:58]	:	we all do
[13:58]	:	Ramzi, I have seen some pictures from the new viewer before. Is there some more samples available somewhere?
[13:59]	:	Mostly it is fast if just convert the glyph. but we also need to check the usage of the word. Some words used in mainland China differs from Taiwan.
[13:59]	:	and me too! I will be able to talk more about the Viewer 2009 in a few weeks.
[13:59]	:	:-)
[13:59]	:	ty Ramzi
[13:59]	:	ty Ramzi, i wait some news ㋡
[14:00]	:	geee ㋡
[14:00]	:	i hopes the viewer 2009 work with the space navigatore again ㋡
[14:00]	:	I'm not up to date with the status of the chinese viewer translations though I thought they'd be somewhat complete? I know that Geneko Nemeth worked on one of them and had some discussions about certain terms... tho I can't remember if he was looking into tranditional or simplified chinese
[14:01]	:	I am sure it will ,Yann. They promoted it before :)
[14:01]	:	Simplified Chinese
[14:01]	:	ah ok...
[14:03]	:	Zai- yes, it is only Simplified Chinese. Both Geneko and Ken March have contributed translations. And then in the last round, one of the chinese-speaking Lindens gave translations.
[14:03]	:	I think the best to do would be two things: 
Write a mail in the CT Projects list or ask Noelle on who are involved or would like to get involved in a translation into traditional Chinese. Then create some kind of Glossary for it and wait until Ramzi posts the new viewer strings on the Jira
[14:03]	:	ah I see...
[14:03]	:	So, the Chinese-Simplified needs a review at some point, to make sure it is consistent.
[14:08]	:	I do not yet understand it about the new viewer. it will it replace this one? or will it be additional? or question reworded: does it make sense to search for people to validate the old translations or will be discarded within a few month anyway?
[14:09]	:	gotta go now
[14:09]	:	see ya all ㋡
[14:09]	:	cu Biancaluce :-)
[14:09]	:	cia Zai ㋡
[14:09]	:	bye Bianca
[14:09]	:	bye Radio
[14:10]	:	bye bye bianca ㋡
 
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