Adult Content User Group/08/01/2011

==Attendees List==
*AnnMarie Otoole (annmarie.otoole)
*Asmita Duranjaya (asmita.duranjaya)
*Clovis Luik (clovis.luik)
*Couldbe (couldbe)
*Ginette Pinazzo (ginette.pinazzo)
*Helena Lycia (helena.lycia)
*Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
*Hypatia Meili (hypatia.meili)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Kim Rongyu (kim.rongyu)
*Lara Boyle (lara.boyle)
*Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik (saxoni.fenstalker-luik)
*Silene Christen (silene.christen)
*Silvanus (silvanus)
*Silversurfer (silversurfer)
*Sissy Blitz (sissy.blitz)
*Slaton Linden (slaton.linden)
*Temperance Hax (temperance.hax)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
*Zena Zemlja (zena.zemlja)
==Transcript for Monday August 1, 2011==
[10:57]	Silversurfer 	since I crashed last night I already was in Bronlne
[10:57]	Hypatia Meili 	unles they ar hvein log in issues
[10:57]	Silversurfer 	Bronlen*
[10:57]	Lara Boyle 	hi there Slaton.... good to see you again!
[10:58]	Silversurfer 	Hi Slaton
[10:58]	Hypatia Meili 	Hi Slaton
[10:58]	Slaton Linden 	Hello everyone
[10:58]	Helena Lycia 	Hello
[10:58]	Zada Bury 	HEya around
[10:58]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Hello everyone
[10:58]	Zena Zemlja 	hi everyone
[10:58]	Hypatia Meili 	alot of peole ar hacing inventory isues, nay be slow getting here
[10:58]	Hypatia Meili 	having
[10:58]	Silversurfer 	Hi Saxoni, Zada
[10:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	coming from bad crash///hello!
[10:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	hi Slaton
[10:59]	Silvanus 	hi all
[10:59]	Slaton Linden 	We'll wait for a couple of more minutes and then kick things off. First up will be proposed Adult User Group Meeting Format and Rules
[11:00]	Slaton Linden 	Please review - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZTzoZiA_QjoOV-f7ObpDC0D-4yBnU_npfuvmRQvFkk/edit?hl=en_US
[11:01]	Kim Rongyu 	hi everyone :)
[11:01]	Silvanus 	hi kim
[11:01]	Kim Rongyu 	hey Silva :)
[11:02]	Zada Bury 	Looks good, Slaton
[11:02]	Kim Rongyu 	hi Silver, nice to see you again
[11:02]	Lara Boyle 	I have no problem with any of it - as long as it is enforced
[11:02]	Slaton Linden 	Is everyone reviewing the gdoc that I shared. If not, please do so now
[11:02]	Lara Boyle 	(and I mean no offence Slaton!)
[11:03]	Asmita Duranjaya 	hello
[11:03]	Slaton Linden 	yes, Lara. We plan to enforce.
[11:03]	Silversurfer 	Hi Kim, thanks the same
[11:03]	Silene Christen 	hi everybody
[11:03]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton, the concept of the 'survey' os for us to vote on item order, correct?
[11:03]	Temperance Hax 	adult user group members?
[11:03]	Lara Boyle 	only last week was a complete shambles
[11:03]	Temperance Hax 	this isnt goingto be public anymore?
[11:04]	Slaton Linden 	yes, Ginette. that seems to make the most sense unless you or others have another idea?
[11:04]	Silversurfer 	I was also wondering about what group members means?
[11:04]	Kim Rongyu 	hey Zena, nic to meet you :)
[11:04]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its seems ok...mayeb extar complex layer, but seems do-able
[11:04]	Temperance Hax 	point 3 An electronic survey will then be used to allow the Adult User Group members to collectively select and prioritize agenda topics. This survey will be posted on the public wiki no later than 6 PM PST the Friday before the following Monday meeting. Each Adult User Group member will be permitted to complete the survey once before 12 AM PST the day of the meeting (survey will ask for your SL username and record one submission per username). By taking the survey, participants agree to refrain from sharing personal agenda preferences with other group members or otherwise campaign for specific agenda items.
[11:04]	Temperance Hax 	adultuser group?
[11:04]	Zena Zemlja 	hi Kim
[11:05]	Zena Zemlja 	hi Ginette
[11:05]	Zena Zemlja 	hi Slaton
[11:05]	Zena Zemlja 	hi everyone ㋡
[11:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	hi Zena
[11:05]	Temperance Hax 	office hours have always been open to everyone to particpateinpast?
[11:05]	Slaton Linden 	Temprance, it can be open. Just my draft and I was simply referring to the group
[11:06]	Temperance Hax 	also not campaigning? i think campaigning for agenada-isation is going to happen a lot
[11:06]	Temperance Hax 	I dont see banning it as especially helpful as it drives it underground
[11:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	thnis is really only changed by us voting onj the Order of items..its not that radical
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili 	agenda items are often eing workd on by a team, which wil naturaly discuss it
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we usually only have beetween 2 - 6 itesm anyway
[11:07]	Temperance Hax 	itsays i cantellhuntress mygood friend i puta vortex thing on agenda,imliteral , many sl users are for one reason or another
[11:08]	Slaton Linden 	OK, I can remove the campaigning part
[11:08]	Temperance Hax 	thanks
[11:08]	Temperance Hax 	I getthe sentiment, but maybe " attendees are expected to like adults" might work lol
[11:08]	Lara Boyle 	it can be fine-tuned any way you like - but I think the principal of it all is mightily correct
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I think the Friday deadlien is smart..or least make Mondays off-limits before and after meetings
[11:09]	Temperance Hax 	to be
[11:09]	Temperance Hax 	not to be like
[11:09]	Temperance Hax 	lol
[11:09]	Slaton Linden 	the main take away is we'll begin using surveys to prioritize agenda. Is everyone OK with that?
[11:09]	Kim Rongyu 	fine with me slaton
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Im ok with it
[11:09]	Innula Zenovka 	who is being surveyed, Slaton?
[11:09]	Silversurfer 	how do you handle group proposals then
[11:09]	Huntress Catteneo 	what is the survey thing? I can't get brain to understand sorry, working on 1hr sleep in last 35hrrs
[11:09]	Temperance Hax 	will poeple be voting on alts, or will ll be doing some sorting there?
[11:09]	Lara Boyle 	why prioritize?.... surely they just come up in two categories.... existing and old...
[11:09]	Hypatia Meili 	what is th window for voting on it?
[11:09]	Sissy Blitz 	I like surveys
[11:10]	Silversurfer 	it is easy for a couple active folks to just priotitize away the colelctive inout of a large group?
[11:10]	Silversurfer 	collective input*
[11:10]	Innula Zenovka 	Innula Zenovka only likes surveys if pie is one of the options
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[11:10]	Slaton Linden 	Silversurfer, groups submit like everyone else and then people vote on it
[11:10]	Lara Boyle 	I dont see the need to prioritize... it's too open to abuse
[11:10]	Couldbe 	Couldbe agrees with Innula
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[11:10]	Lara Boyle 	just run the agenda as any other business
[11:10]	Silversurfer 	yes, but do we need all 250 members to vot up our agenda?
[11:10]	Temperance Hax 	Im good so long as tackling thepotential of griefers at vortex is the number one priority at every meeting
[11:11]	Slaton Linden 	Lara, how is it open to abuse if the survey requires username?
[11:11]	Silversurfer 	then we could totally dominate it - or someone else could
[11:11]	Hypatia Meili 	lol
[11:11]	Lara Boyle 	cos of alts
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I do think the survey is an extra layer of complication, but id be willing to try it to see hwo it works
[11:11]	Innula Zenovka 	who is being surveyed and how? is it going to be a page on the wiki or a polling booth here or what?
[11:11]	Temperance Hax 	Im ok with hiring lindens to be bouncers,or extending libe supprt to 24 hours to falicitate anti griefing is number one istead
[11:11]	Silversurfer 	and who are entitled to vote?
[11:11]	Lara Boyle 	id you have one person - three alts - all in the group... that's stacking the voting
[11:12]	Silversurfer 	we know people here have multiple indentities
[11:12]	Slaton Linden 	Innula, yes. To vote, you have to show up at these meetings
[11:12]	Lara Boyle 	how do you know that Silver?
[11:12]	Sissy Blitz 	That would be cheating Lara
[11:12]	Kim Rongyu 	ok, I must be unusual then as I have only one avi
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I think if evreryone read over Slaton's published explanation..its all there
[11:12]	Silversurfer 	because I know
[11:12]	Innula Zenovka 	so we show up at the meeting to vote on the agenda for that meeting?
[11:12]	Hypatia Meili 	well so far peole just adding to the bottom of the list has worked
[11:12]	Lara Boyle 	that is no answer Silver
[11:12]	Slaton Linden 	If caught cheating then you're out of these meeting
[11:12]	Hypatia Meili 	lets hope voting works
[11:12]	Temperance Hax 	perhaps we could have a vote machine here, insted of a webpage
[11:13]	Temperance Hax 	its atad annoyingtohave to use the web when sl doe sit much better
[11:13]	Lara Boyle 	I still think e-voting is open to abuse... turn up here and vote on the spot
[11:13]	Slaton Linden 	Temperance, that's a good suggestion.
[11:13]	Sissy Blitz 	How will we catch people cheating
[11:13]	Kim Rongyu 	would be a heck of a lot easier Temperance
[11:13]	Temperance Hax 	yay
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the survey/voting elements probably wont make a huge diofferenvce, but why not try it for a few weeks?
[11:13]	Lara Boyle 	click a voting machine here... I'm happier
[11:13]	Silvanus 	dont care that much about cheating, you could buy the votes too.....
[11:13]	Temperance Hax 	vote mahcinesin world are teribly good, people canbring there alts but if they bring 40 will know lol
[11:14]	Silversurfer 	a voting machine still does not eliminate alts
[11:14]	Kim Rongyu 	well, why reinvent the wheel and over-complicte things???
[11:14]	Zada Bury 	But the votes decides only about the row of the topics, not that they appear in the meeting ... or not
[11:14]	Kim Rongyu 	so we rely on people being honest, old-fashoined maybe
[11:14]	Temperance Hax 	wellit is and adult meeting, im sure we can manage it
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton, you are ok with this level of management (monitoring agenda items oredrs and voting process?)
[11:14]	Lara Boyle 	in that case... I'm too old and too cynical
[11:15]	Innula Zenovka 	right, i've had time to read it.. but i'm still confused about having to show up at meetings to vote... will it know to accept votes from me cos i regularly attend but not to accept them from someone else?
[11:15]	Slaton Linden 	Ginette, I don't see much of a choice...
[11:15]	Kim Rongyu 	or create an access list for the voting macine
[11:15]	Kim Rongyu 	that way alts are no issue
[11:15]	Hypatia Meili 	what if we mis on cant vot at next one
[11:15]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I understand Slaton....maybe we try it and see how it feels
[11:16]	Hypatia Meili 	somtims i come here on my main alt instead, if im building
[11:16]	Lara Boyle 	slaton... hop up on the counter so they can all see you! *smiles*
[11:16]	Ginette Pinazzo 	this really is a TINY topic..think abt it...it only affects the ORER of items discuyssed here....mayeb its not withr disssing forever
[11:16]	Temperance Hax 	well a voting mahineis fairly simple and can tell slaton in prvate who voted what so if my alt comes on and votes too he can frown
[11:16]	Lara Boyle 	ok *shuts up*
[11:16]	Zada Bury 	I personal don't like the part "Personal attacks of any nature will not be permitted" (and what follows) ... this meetig was 2 years open speech ... and in 2 year, we have hear a lot bad words, but that someone need to be locked yout, was never a issue
[11:17]	Temperance Hax 	my alt is sleeping right now , wish i was (4amish)
[11:17]	Kim Rongyu 	ouch, thats early Temperance :)
[11:17]	Innula Zenovka 	Slaton, I'm sorry but I'm still confused.. who gets to vote, and, if it's not anyone who looks at the page and feels like it, who is drawing up the electoral roll and how?
[11:17]	Helena Lycia 	Excuse me everyone... I need to attend to something
[11:18]	Ginette Pinazzo 	well, we;ve spent 15 minutes talking abotu the way to decide the order of agenda items...hahah..shall we progress?
[11:18]	Innula Zenovka 	is it everyone who attended the last meeting or everyone who's attended a meeting in the last month or what?
[11:18]	Silversurfer 	Ginette, this is important to sort out
[11:18]	Kim Rongyu 	why do we not appoint a single person to deal with agendas and such things?
[11:19]	Hypatia Meili 	weeding it out could be a problem
[11:19]	Slaton Linden 	Innula, people at the meeting get to vote. I believe we've decided to hold votes at the meeting. I'd propose that we vote on next week's agenda at the end of ea meeting
[11:19]	Hypatia Meili 	tho i think if it gets abused we will notice
[11:19]	Kim Rongyu 	if everyone is pulling in different directions, it becomes impossible
[11:19]	Lara Boyle 	that's the reason behind my own proposal later..... elect a chairperson - I'm suggesting ginette... and let them sort it all out
[11:19]	Slaton Linden 	Kim, how would that single person fairly prioritize then?
[11:19]	Hypatia Meili 	next weks agenda wont be ready at the end of prvious meeting
[11:19]	Sissy Blitz 	I think this group would best work as a dynamic collective
[11:19]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I believe its universally basic to have a Chairperson and simple agenda system...as weve had before......this new survey idea does add more complexity...but not much
[11:20]	Innula Zenovka 	so what's the schedule, Slaton? Propose an agenda item on or before friday, vote on it the following monday and discuss it the monday after that?
[11:20]	Kim Rongyu 	yes, I agree Sissy, but any meeting needs a chair, to steer a meeting and also to keep it on track
[11:20]	Temperance Hax 	we need flexibility to deal with new issues that come up
[11:20]	Innula Zenovka 	so it could take up to a fortnight between something being proposed for discussion and it actually being discussed?
[11:20]	Silversurfer 	LL should be the chair
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Ive chaired thousands of meetings......its just 'go in order' and get through it...its nasic
[11:20]	Silversurfer 	it is theri official meerting
[11:21]	Lara Boyle 	yep... same here ginette
[11:21]	Temperance Hax 	LL should be the cair
[11:21]	Slaton Linden 	LL is the facilitato/ "chair"
[11:21]	Zada Bury 	Prioritize with "beeing smart" ... the most things can be handled the way they come in ... if there are points, nothign is to say to, they can automated delayed ... and if there is the nowe-super-dangerous issue with adult stuff, it will be seen and raised up
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	in most orgs, the owner is NOT the Chair...they are sepaarte
[11:21]	Silvanus 	Gina should be the chair, a SL resident who is active all the time and experienced, and a woman, (majority in SL are women)
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	no LL shoudl be owner..not Chair...thats standard
[11:21]	Sissy Blitz 	I charied this meeting when it very first opened ,
[11:21]	Couldbe 	facilitator and chair are usually 2 different roles with different functions
[11:21]	Temperance Hax 	the main thingi sll report each work on how theyare doing with working outhe issue of potential griefing at vortex (and otehr htinsg they probably do)
[11:21]	Lara Boyle 	aye.... which is what I'm saying... LL is owner... Chair is spererate
[11:21]	Silversurfer 	Ginette does not have the confidence of this audicence to be the chair
[11:22]	Kim Rongyu 	well Silver, thats easy to find out
[11:22]	Silvanus 	well mine she has
[11:22]	Lara Boyle 	she has mine also
[11:22]	Couldbe 	she doesn't have mine
[11:22]	Slaton Linden 	Silversurfer that's one warning
[11:22]	Hypatia Meili 	if we need vote i dont wan it to end up that we need to propose weeks ahead
[11:22]	Kim Rongyu 	we have a simple vote
[11:22]	Huntress Catteneo 	you all wanted some order sorted last meet, been presented and still not happy, I love it
[11:22]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I wont tolerate that sort of comment, counter....its innapropriate
[11:22]	Silversurfer 	bye guys
[11:22]	Lara Boyle 	goodbye
[11:22]	Hypatia Meili 	how does that even work with adding to th list on the wiki
[11:22]	Huntress Catteneo 	Gina nor Counter should be chair, too much conflict
[11:23]	Zada Bury 	I agree with Huntress in this part.
[11:23]	Silvanus 	but you will need someone, who is enough time online, and knows all about the actual structure and state
[11:23]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I think m the solution require 2 paerts....a good system (which we can have, including w/ Slaton's nbew additions).......and a good Chair
[11:23]	Slaton Linden 	we need a vote on it
[11:23]	Kim Rongyu 	look, I know I am the new girl and all, but it seems so simple, elect or appoint a chair person,
[11:24]	Innula Zenovka 	Like I said last week, I can think of only two or three people who'd stand a chance of being seen as impartial (and I'm probably wrong about that) and none of them want to do it.
[11:24]	Hypatia Meili 	gina seems tobe a subject of confict not a causer of it
[11:24]	Temperance Hax 	Ipropose slaton linden as chair
[11:24]	Hypatia Meili 	if peole stops atcking.....
[11:24]	Temperance Hax 	dow e have a seconder?
[11:24]	Lara Boyle 	my vote is Gina in the chair
[11:24]	Innula Zenovka 	/seconds the motion
[11:24]	Silvanus 	agree to Hypatia
[11:24]	Couldbe 	seconds Temperance's suggestion
[11:24]	Innula Zenovka 	for Slaton
[11:24]	Silvanus 	mine too, Lara
[11:24]	Silene Christen 	Gina in the chair too
[11:24]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I knew full well Id beId become a subject of conflicty/..I dotn mind that...but I want to see stability
[11:24]	Lara Boyle 	then I make that a counter proposal
[11:24]	Huntress Catteneo 	thirds
[11:25]	Sissy Blitz 	I wish I could have trust in someone here to vote but I do not Bye all
[11:25]	Hypatia Meili 	gina
[11:25]	Kim Rongyu 	Gina for me too, she is detached from LL, but close enough to make liaaison easy
[11:25]	Temperance Hax 	all thos in favour slaton say "Slaton" please
[11:25]	Temperance Hax 	Slaton
[11:25]	Innula Zenovka 	Slaton
[11:25]	Couldbe 	slaton
[11:25]	Zada Bury 	Slaton
[11:25]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	SLaton
[11:25]	Huntress Catteneo 	Slaton
[11:25]	Clovis Luik 	Slaton
[11:25]	Hypatia Meili 	is slaton wiling to?
[11:25]	Zena Zemlja 	Slaton
[11:25]	Huntress Catteneo 	according to doc yes
[11:26]	Lara Boyle 	I do not se how the facilitator can also be chair
[11:26]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I dotn think LL shoudl be a Chair.....but I cant vote for myself...so.....
[11:26]	Kim Rongyu 	to be honest they cannot, a facilitator is there to make a meetings decisiomns happen
[11:26]	Ginette Pinazzo 	can we at least nominate another RESIDENT?
[11:27]	Silvanus 	I dont think that LL wants to be subject of chaotic discussions with residents
[11:27]	Lara Boyle 	absolutely... which therefore puts Slaton off the voting list
[11:27]	Slaton Linden 	Yes, I think LL needs to be facilitator, not chair
[11:27]	Huntress Catteneo 	getting wayyyy to caught up in formallities
[11:27]	Temperance Hax 	wellperhaps LL needs to arrange a second linden to be here to be chair?
[11:27]	AnnMarie Otoole 	This is a dictatorship, not a democracy. Slaton has the AUTHORITY. We need a dictator not a mediator.
[11:27]	Kim Rongyu 	I agree totally Slaton
[11:27]	Huntress Catteneo 	I like that AnnMarie lol
[11:28]	Ginette Pinazzo 	if anyone wants to know what kind of Cjairt Id be..its all in wriitting...my 'agenda' is already publihsed.....
[11:28]	Hypatia Meili 	well is anybody else wiling to and knows the prper format
[11:28]	Temperance Hax 	I dont see much wong with meeting format that is LL reporting on progress, feedback then agenda so longas iincludes new items
[11:28]	Kim Rongyu 	almost any of us could perform that role Hypa
[11:28]	Couldbe 	Couldbe agrees with AnnMarie - this is supposed to be an office hour not a design session
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[11:28]	Temperance Hax 	i disagree very stronglywith unable to mention vortex is i didnget round to adding it the week before
[11:29]	Temperance Hax 	if
[11:29]	Kim Rongyu 	so, an idea could eb to assemble the agenda for the next meeting at the end of the current one?
[11:29]	Ginette Pinazzo 	if I am Chair, I wilol do my bexst to MAKE SURE every voice is eghard...and Ill even prompt peoepl t tp get more involved
[11:29]	Huntress Catteneo 	I mentioned all in my thing, so could talk about any lol
[11:29]	Lara Boyle 	the way I see it gina... you have been voted in
[11:29]	Kim Rongyu 	that way eevryoner knows whats coming up
[11:29]	Silvanus 	I want that the chair is done by a resident who has the skills to do it
[11:29]	Silvanus 	and thats Gina, she already proved it
[11:29]	Huntress Catteneo 	Sorry Gina, but if you are chair many will not attend
[11:30]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I wotn do it w/o love thouigh..I want to see most or all ar ehappy
[11:30]	Huntress Catteneo 	too much rivalry
[11:30]	Couldbe 	Couldbe agrees with Huntress
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[11:30]	Ginette Pinazzo 	and that might mean group hug (haha)
[11:30]	Kim Rongyu 	Huntress, these sessions sometimes degenerate, some of it almost seems poesonal
[11:30]	Ginette Pinazzo 	who will not attend Hunt?
[11:30]	Silvanus 	I disagree huntress its not rivalry, its griefing against Gina...
[11:30]	Huntress Catteneo 	same thing with Counter
[11:30]	Lara Boyle 	does that matter?... if others cannot operate without bringing personalities into it - then maybe they dont deserve to be here
[11:30]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I submit there is no real rivalry
[11:31]	Hypatia Meili 	people who cant get past that are just being disruptive
[11:31]	Huntress Catteneo 	*sigh*
[11:31]	Lara Boyle 	I would not worry about the losses
[11:31]	Zada Bury 	How about "we try for 1 month"?
[11:31]	Couldbe 	It's not griefing - Ginette has previously set out to be divisive and to deliberately ignore the wishes of the group here to try to further her own agenda
[11:31]	Kim Rongyu 	no Lara, yu are spot on there
[11:31]	Lara Boyle 	if they want to act their shoe size not their age... after what I saw last week - they dont DESERVE to be here
[11:31]	Slaton Linden 	agree with Zada. We need to try *something*
[11:32]	Lara Boyle 	then let Gina be chair for a month
[11:32]	Silvanus 	nods to Lara
[11:32]	Ginette Pinazzo 	that is not true couldbe...not in any way...but feel free to discuss yoru concerns with me after meeting so we can set record straight
[11:32]	Kim Rongyu 	OK, can I suggest that you, Slaton, are the facilitator and we have a seperate chair to report back?
[11:32]	Zada Bury 	So ... if all disagree with "Linden chair" ... and Gin is the only one wo is willing to do ...
[11:32]	AnnMarie Otoole 	Geeze the meeting is 1/2 over and we've not decided on a square or round talbe. YES I AGREE.
[11:32]	Zada Bury 	... last chance for others to raise the hand to say "I want!"
[11:32]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	what about you Zada?
[11:32]	Temperance Hax 	I want a linden chair,itis lindenoffice hours
[11:33]	Huntress Catteneo 	I put this together from what has been said to me in various forms by some people:'The problem is that some peoples ideas get submitted for the meetings and then seem to get lost or aren't read/ignored and must be submitted again. Then in the meetings when ideas are mentioned to talk about, they get shouted down and not given a fair hearing,. It seems like other groups and certain people are given favour, and they are not even representing their members as they don't listen to them or have proper meetings, they are just pushing their own agenda.'
[11:33]	Zada Bury 	I think, I can't be each week here
[11:33]	Temperance Hax 	we simply need a linden to take charge
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I would do it for one month to see how it goes...who knoows? maybe Ill hate it
[11:33]	Innula Zenovka 	i thought lots of us just said we anted Slaton as chair.. i know that's what i thought i was voting for
[11:33]	Zada Bury 	OR ... maybe if people feel bad about "try 1 month" we say "Gin have the chair for 1 month, then we search someone other"
[11:33]	Zena Zemlja 	I am for Linden chair, it will raise less issues I think?
[11:33]	Hypatia Meili 	the other peole ar not posting their alternat proposals
[11:34]	Slaton Linden 	I agree HUntress, how do you propose we solve?
[11:34]	Huntress Catteneo 	BOTH major groups here say that, the SAME thing, neither is listening to the other
[11:34]	Zada Bury 	OR ... Slaton do it for a month, like some was agree with.
[11:34]	Hypatia Meili 	if they exhist in coherent form
[11:34]	Temperance Hax 	i missed lastweek (its 4am) but the week before we had avery productive meeting
[11:34]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we havge a Linden Chair...we KNOW how that bworks out already.......this is a chance to have more organization AND have more voices heard (to respond to you Hunt)
[11:34]	Couldbe 	I vote we just have an agenda and run through it - with slaton controlling the meeting and the time on each topic. this is an office hour after all - it's not actually important enough to bog down in heavy process
[11:34]	Innula Zenovka 	we have alternatives . Slaton or Ginette .. seems a simple enough question, which of the two do you want/
[11:35]	Huntress Catteneo 	mmm and of course once more all are listening
[11:35]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	I agree with Couldbe
[11:35]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Ll simply does not have the the rtime or respources to do this process justice......we can help so much m ore on our own with them there as backup
[11:35]	Lara Boyle 	Slaton has already said he feels that he cannot be facilitaor and Chair... so that discounts him
[11:35]	Zada Bury 	Definitions of the chair is "keeping the topics for the agenda and prorize them"?
[11:35]	Temperance Hax 	Temperance Hax wishes we aready had the voting machine here:)
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[11:35]	Huntress Catteneo 	lol temp
[11:35]	Kim Rongyu 	Innula, honestly it doesn't matter who is chair of these meetings, as long as the agenda is followed and times maintained
[11:35]	Slaton Linden 	I agree w/ Coulbe too
[11:36]	Zena Zemlja 	LL should always be here for the meeting?
[11:36]	Huntress Catteneo 	with the way all get one Zena? definately
[11:36]	Huntress Catteneo 	on
[11:36]	Kim Rongyu 	well I would suggest that yes, of course they should
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo 	if we have resident chair, these meetings will be faster and more voices will be heard and that will FREE Slaton to address more issues when he eneeds to
[11:36]	Innula Zenovka 	it seems to matter to some people who does it, Kim, and actually i think some people will do a better job of keeping us to the agenda and maintaining times than will others
[11:37]	Zena Zemlja 	chair is about leading the meeting, not about organizing zexpo?
[11:37]	Kim Rongyu 	well, I agree with that completely Innula
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	as it is now, he weill get bogged won in issues he shouldnt have to worry abt
[11:37]	Kim Rongyu 	we;ve been heer 37 minutes running in circles
[11:37]	Slaton Linden 	Can we simply agree to follow new agenda process and see how it goes? I don't want to get bogged down in "chair" debate
[11:37]	Couldbe 	Zexpo should have very little to do with this meeting anyway.
[11:37]	Kim Rongyu 	this si why we need someone to steer these meetings
[11:38]	Temperance Hax 	whatis on todays agenda next?
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ZZexpio is the number one gatehring that may affect all of Zindra and Adult SL....it at leasty de desreves aReport
[11:38]	Zena Zemlja 	then why am I here, Couldbe???
[11:38]	Huntress Catteneo 	no all we need is for people to be decent adults
[11:38]	Lara Boyle 	the agenda process I agree with in principal... from what I see... there is no real objections to that Slaton
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	first itsm on agedna is Busines Netorking Center...and Kim is even here!
[11:38]	Kim Rongyu 	well, I have been a bit loud :)
[11:39]	Kim Rongyu 	want me to kick off Gina?
[11:39]	Slaton Linden 	OK, for agenda this week I wanted to let you all know that I'm working on getting group ownership of Zindra mainland and vortex setup. we'll need to determine who will be part of "ownership"
[11:40]	Huntress Catteneo 	vortex is Bill
[11:40]	Couldbe 	I don't know Zena, is it because you like our company?
[11:40]	Hypatia Meili 	wel vortex already hasa a linden group
[11:40]	Temperance Hax 	Itis preetty simple for vortex yu own tha group, and thatgroup should own the land
[11:41]	Ginette Pinazzo 	pok Slaton..you already have the Vortex team and staff already in placve and been working it fkir months
[11:41]	Slaton Linden 	Ginette, for VOrtex they don't have full rights to manage do they?
[11:41]	Temperance Hax 	the set up within that is up to yu ,im sure bill willhave ideas, just take the land from gov linden over to your group
[11:41]	Huntress Catteneo 	nope
[11:41]	Zena Zemlja 	[2011/08/01 2011-08-01 10:08:31] Ginette Pinazzo: MEETING with LL......MON 11AM SLT ...... in Bronlen!........... Zindra topics....Adult Content topics...(plus all current ZEXPO participants are encouraged to attend!).... LOCATION:
[11:41]	Zena Zemlja 	that's why
[11:41]	Hypatia Meili 	not without group control of the land
[11:42]	Temperance Hax 	thegroup and people are there
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton..not yet...thats the issue.....here si tmain team, Slaton: https://sites.google.com/site/zindrahelpvortex/home/meet-the-zindra-help-vortex-staff
[11:42]	Slaton Linden 	right and that's what I'm working on
[11:42]	Temperance Hax 	the group, with SLaton owns, needs toown the land so thatgrifers canbe ejected
[11:42]	Temperance Hax 	its quite simple really
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	good to hear Slaton...thansk for good news
[11:42]	Temperance Hax 	about thre eminutes to get giv linden to sellyu land, andthen yu deed it
[11:43]	Couldbe 	then why ask if you already know, Zena?
[11:43]	Temperance Hax 	if yu do not know how we can refer yut o releavnt wiki pages
[11:43]	Huntress Catteneo 	simple thing taking very long time
[11:43]	Temperance Hax 	we heqaqrd thattwo weeks ago
[11:43]	Temperance Hax 	soits ba dtoheara ctually
[11:43]	Temperance Hax 	verybad tohear youare workingon it
[11:43]	Temperance Hax 	it eeds done
[11:43]	Slaton Linden 	yes, Temperance, can you send me the wiki links?
[11:43]	Temperance Hax 	fve minutes of your time
[11:43]	Temperance Hax 	sure
[11:44]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton, is there any other action items we need to know abt Vortex before we return to agenda?
[11:44]	Temperance Hax 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Deeding_land_to_groups
[11:44]	Slaton Linden 	Ginette, go ahead. Just knew that was a an issue that was stills out there as unresolved
[11:44]	Zena Zemlja 	@ Coulbe: because you suggested I had no business being here
[11:44]	Slaton Linden 	thanks, Temperance
[11:45]	Temperance Hax 	thank you:)
[11:45]	Ginette Pinazzo 	very good, Slaton....Kim..you are up
[11:45]	Huntress Catteneo 	Couldbe, Zena, please drop it
[11:45]	Couldbe 	no I didn't - perhaps you should read back
[11:45]	Kim Rongyu 	(brb)
[11:45]	Temperance Hax 	this is agenda, nota distraction, the thing we are discussing about vortex:)
[11:46]	Slaton Linden 	Zena and Coulbe, could you maybe use another channel for the back and forth
[11:47]	Couldbe 	I'm sorry zena that I made light of your question regarding why you are here, since obviously it was rhetorical
[11:47]	Temperance Hax 	for tehother projects I do not know which group shuld own whatland,perhaps yu couldpurpose make some groups to own them, theyhave very low traffic les sthan atenth of vortex
[11:47]	Ginette Pinazzo 	what we shoulod do, going foproweard, seriously is make sure pongoing items like 'Fix Vortex' are literally on the agenda so they get adres, even if that seems anoying
[11:47]	Huntress Catteneo 	thankyou Couldbe, that was wonderful to see
[11:48]	Couldbe 	I'm fine with it, if zena wants to pick a fight with someone she can pick someone else
[11:48]	Temperance Hax 	vrtexis onthe gaenda and far from annoyingit matters, w ehave spnt mroe time talkigaboutinmeetings than it would take to fix it
[11:48]	Zena Zemlja 	I want to know if Zexpo is on the agenda today, otherwise I am waisting my time here
[11:48]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I agree Temp. Slaton do you nneed to schwedule 1v1 with anyone to talk more abt Vortex?
[11:49]	Temperance Hax 	yuc an spend hours eah week dscussing podydani dontmind, just that has notraffiuc vortex is the face of zindra until llgets round to the otehr stuff
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo 	it is foirst on agedna Zena...but we havent started the agenda yet!no one is
[11:49]	Huntress Catteneo 	it should be Zena, but I suspect we will run out of time
[11:49]	Slaton Linden 	I'll speak w/ Temperance about Vortex
[11:50]	Zena Zemlja 	oke, thanks Ginette, thanks Huntress
[11:50]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ok the only real agenda item now is Busines Netwroking Center......and Kim is setting that up now.....
[11:51]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the center will have dropboxes and live events....
[11:51]	Kim Rongyu 	I have sent Gina a notecard regarding ideas I have had for 5 things tio use during networking week to hopefully encourage cooperation
[11:51]	Slaton Linden 	Ginette and Kim, you have the floor.
[11:51]	Ginette Pinazzo 	here is LM
[11:51]	Ginette Pinazzo 	\Distrel (194,62,57)
[11:52]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the reason this on agenda is twofols....
[11:52]	Ginette Pinazzo 	1) because its really an important part of ZEXPo that underscores the need to get bjusinesses tgrow and cooperating between them is a great technique for that
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	and 2) if successful, this will spin off into a regular series of activities that try to get businesses tlaking....to encourage parnerships...long after ZEXPO is over...teh Vortex, for example, has plans for such a program
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	so the takeaway is........
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	please ..I hope EVERY Exhibitir in ZEXPO takes advantage of this program
[11:54]	Kim Rongyu 	I will be there as much as I can to help with these programs I have suggested
[11:54]	Zena Zemlja 	On this matter I would like to raise an important issue, please.
[11:54]	Ginette Pinazzo 	eitehr Kim or I can be contacted to discuss details
[11:54]	Slaton Linden 	Go ahead Zena
[11:54]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes Zena?
[11:54]	Zena Zemlja 	I understood Zexpo to be about promoting all the adult lifestyle in SL.
[11:55]	Ginette Pinazzo 	https://sites.google.com/site/zexpo2011/home/business-networking-week
[11:55]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(that link explains the BsNet Ctr)
[11:55]	Clovis Luik 	Zexppo IS about ZINDRA
[11:55]	Silvanus 	Zena it cause of the past, now ehibitors of all Adult are here
[11:55]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	or it originally was supposed to be
[11:55]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Zena...ALST year's shjow WAS Zindra-only...thats part of the problem...that per4cpetion lingers
[11:56]	Hypatia Meili 	zepo was kicked of to be about promoting zindra orginaly
[11:56]	Ginette Pinazzo 	*LASt
[11:56]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its bstill all about Zindra IN THAT it PRS Zindra...but bliek any big city that wants PR...it invites peoepl from all over
[11:56]	Innula Zenovka 	how many large adult content people.. like xcite or sexgen or sensations or destinations like Bondage Ranch.. are particpating in Zexpo?
[11:56]	Zena Zemlja 	I have no business on Zindra, but was invited for Zexpo
[11:56]	Ginette Pinazzo 	so it involves lots of peoepl and places and Adult SL in general....but by that veyr fact, it helps Zindar
[11:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Zena. does my answer come to close to answering your question?
[11:58]	Slaton Linden 	Not sure Innula. Ginette?
[11:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	*come close
[11:58]	Hypatia Meili 	i personly have bo problem with it promotinag adult in geral but zindra locations should have first shot s to not be crowed out . there ae alot of adult sims
[11:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Id say ZEXPO currently has a very diverse mix.....Zindra...non Zindra....veryt 'adult'.....more general....I can draw up a list to show that later
[11:58]	Kim Rongyu 	I agree Hypa, O have an adult sim, I would expect that the main continent comes first
[11:59]	Hypatia Meili 	what i dont wan tose is cheeters in moderate using it to promte location that are violating th adult guid lines
[11:59]	Clovis Luik 	Zexpo was supposed to be for Zindra Biz, It should not be hijacked by people wanting to promote SL lifestyles
[11:59]	Ginette Pinazzo 	but it really is all abouit raising the profile of Zindra by hosting big events...and that means attarcting from all over
[11:59]	Zena Zemlja 	I'm not sure, seems to be an image problem that needs to be adressed
[11:59]	Innula Zenovka 	Ginette.. are xcite or sensations or sexgen or bondage ranch participating?
[11:59]	Slaton Linden 	Is there a list of participants thus far?
[12:00]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the Island campaign in general was alwasy about big events...perhaps even ones from outside Zindar totally that come herte to have their event...its about th hosting aspect, actually, that gets us the big PR.soem even hosted from
[12:00]	Kim Rongyu 	well, lets be honest, do those peopel really need to ?
[12:00]	Couldbe 	and is there a list of how many zindra based businesses there are?
[12:00]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Innula.....we soliciuited all over...the market decided who responded.......
[12:00]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I have all of that info and can get it
[12:01]	Innula Zenovka 	yeah, i am sure it did.. what did they when you asked them?
[12:01]	Temperance Hax 	I think by next ear the message that islands can be in zexpo will have got through better
[12:01]	Zena Zemlja 	@ Kim : I am one of 'those' people, thank you
[12:01]	Couldbe 	and how does the zexpo raise the profile of businesses on Zindra and how are you going to quantify that?
[12:01]	Slaton Linden 	Ginette, a list of participants would be helpful
[12:01]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Exactly COuldbe -
[12:01]	Ginette Pinazzo 	vweyr well said temp
[12:01]	Hypatia Meili 	i say we adopt amore genral defition of buiness in this case, it doen have to be money making ventures only ,but inculde any public venue
[12:02]	Ginette Pinazzo 	teh participanmts are easy to se...just go to the website
[12:02]	Clovis Luik 	Zexpo for Zindra only
[12:02]	Huntress Catteneo 	I think Kym meant the big businesses mentioned Zena?
[12:02]	Kim Rongyu 	Zena, I wasn't being rude, just thinking that do you really ned any more exposure :)
[12:02]	Zena Zemlja 	omg
[12:02]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Does the website indicate whether the participants are located in Zindra?
[12:02]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Zexpo for 'Zindra only' is a quanit idea but its not exactly outreaching
[12:03]	Ginette Pinazzo 	no Saxoni...but I can get that info...as Ive already stated
[12:03]	Couldbe 	How did you solicit the businesses to agree to exhbit? If I ask stroker if he received an invite will he say yes?
[12:03]	Lara Boyle 	I'm not Zindra..... but we're there
[12:03]	Lara Boyle 	and glad to be
[12:03]	Zena Zemlja 	if what Clovis says is true, then I am ot of here and out of Zexpo
[12:03]	Couldbe 	and perhaps you should rename the event as it is not a zindra expo it is an adult content expo.
[12:03]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Yes
[12:03]	Ginette Pinazzo 	and you are a gpood ex examploe Latex..if you have a good experience, you might eb encouragewd to get more involved
[12:03]	Slaton Linden 	Good question Couldbe. How we're people chosen to participate?
[12:04]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Zewna...what Clovis is saying is NOT true
[12:04]	Lara Boyle 	we're there because we want to be
[12:04]	Lara Boyle 	and clovis is completey wrong
[12:04]	Couldbe 	it was supposed to be for zindra only businesses - unless you changed the rules without telling us
[12:04]	Lara Boyle 	another example if twisting things
[12:04]	Couldbe 	that's why it's called the Zindra Expo (Zexpo)
[12:05]	Lara Boyle 	you want us to leave?
[12:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	do you really all find this productive (4 minutes after meeting os over) to ask these questions about teh show's production?: can we do this off the meeting cloock (wqhich technically it is now)?
[12:05]	Clovis Luik 	who decied to let not zindra biz in? was that your decision ginette?
[12:05]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Clovis is not wrong. Zexpo was supposed to be an event to promote ZINDRA businesses to compensate for being moved to this continent.
[12:05]	Clovis Luik 	Ginette you have been manipulatint this thing frm the very beginning
[12:05]	Lara Boyle 	ok... so we're not wanted..... that's fine
[12:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	coulodbe you are wrong, plain and simple...youi just need to keep up with AL:L of the material posted....
[12:05]	AnnMarie Otoole 	Howver if JUST Zindra contributors it would be 3 empty sims and one welcome sim. If you want an EXPO you need to fill it.
[12:05]	Silvanus 	no no Lara....
[12:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton, I have to go
[12:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	enjuoy
[12:06]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	So, Couldbe's question about how this event benefits Zindra businesses is pertinent
[12:06]	Couldbe 	I've been to most of these meetings for the last two and a half years - I don't remember us agreeing to widen it to include adult content
[12:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I will get you info fpor trcking purposes later
[12:06]	Couldbe 	it has always been about zindra
[12:06]	Slaton Linden 	OK, we're past time. Ginette, can you send me link to the Zexpo list please? thanks
[12:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	couldbe youe..are not ven IN the Zindra Exp[2011/08/01 o group....so hopw woudl you knwo?>
[12:06]	Hypatia Meili 	we never quite setled it last year
[12:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slkaton....its the website...its all there
[12:07]	Slaton Linden 	OK, Ginette. thanks
[12:07]	Hypatia Meili 	it just was thats who knew about it , primarly
[12:07]	Zena Zemlja 	zindra stands for adult content in sl
[12:07]	Couldbe 	I understood that your weekly updates to this group contained all the main points
[12:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	this is close to 11th hour of planning for this show...id liek to see common SUPPORT and soem love....what d o you say?
[12:07]	Couldbe 	are you now saying they don't?
[12:07]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Nope..it was never settled ...it was a decision that was simply made
[12:07]	Temperance Hax 	Zexpo is promoting adult activites and business ins econd life, any business canbe involved by filling in application form
[12:07]	Lara Boyle 	which we did - and was accepted
[12:08]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I am VERY transparent and have been for months,..,.,...dont pretend you dotn know whats been going on.....ciao
[12:08]	Huntress Catteneo 	one step forward, ten back
[12:08]	Slaton Linden 	Did anyone here submit and not get accepted?
[12:08]	Innula Zenovka 	and if Couldbe asks Stroker if he was asked to participate, what will he say?
[12:08]	Huntress Catteneo 	to Zexpo?
[12:08]	Ginette Pinazzo 	\S;laton...all of this material has been very very public for a long tiem.......we dont have time forobfuscations.....
[12:08]	Temperance Hax 	If anybusiness wishes to be involved and hasnt yet fille din an application form I am sure they could, though it is getting late inthe day
[12:09]	Lara Boyle 	safe paths all
[12:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ciao
[12:09]	AnnMarie Otoole 	I've been inviting makers of erotic clothes to com and exhibit, even though they don't "need" Zindra adult land. A great opportunity for them.
[12:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	only those whoa re against the show's polociesd (also very public) woudl not get accepted....though the team alwasy has rights to curate...and that is also published knowledge
[12:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ciao
[12:09]	Slaton Linden 	yes, we're up on time. thanks everyone. I'll keep trying to help make these meetings more productive
[12:10]	Couldbe 	I'm scrolling back and I don't think Ginette actually said how businesses were invited
[12:10]	Zada Bury 	Hmmm ... we have miss the last chance to get Slaton in trouble without Viale here ...
[12:10]	Silvanus 	ty Slaton
[12:10]	Slaton Linden 	thanks, Zada.... LOL
[12:10]	Huntress Catteneo 	good luck with that Slaton lol
[12:10]	Ginette Pinazzo 	goodbye Slaton
[12:10]	Hypatia Meili 	i thoght we wer allspreading th word
[12:10]	Temperance Hax 	ntoices we put out everywhere they could be:)
[12:10]	Hypatia Meili 	and thers an aplication
[12:10]	Slaton Linden 	Goodbye all and take care
[12:10]	Temperance Hax 	the invitations referred to are wordof mouth ones
[12:10]	Couldbe 	bye Slaton
[12:10]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Bye Slaton
[12:10]	Hypatia Meili 	bye slaton
[12:10]	Zada Bury 	See you soon ... and taeke care. Tkaks for your time
[12:10]	Clovis Luik 	bye
[12:11]	Silvanus 	ok me has to leave quick too, bye all happy monday
[12:11]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks, Slaton
[12:11]	Couldbe 	usually you would have key content providers at these - when we did unzipped we contacted all the main names
[12:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	couldbe...if you want to support the show...go for it...or otehr psoitive movements.....or come up with yoru positive ideas......this is not the tiem to start riddling us w/ questions you certainlky can fidn the asnwers to with almsot no reserarch
[12:11]	Temperance Hax 	Innula yuannivte stroker if yuwant,its agood idea:)
[12:11]	Zena Zemlja 	I do understand now though why other private adult sims do not wish to participate, I did not feel very welcome here either by some remarks made.
[12:12]	Innula Zenovka 	Temperance, do i take that to mean no one has thought to invite him as yet?
[12:12]	Hypatia Meili 	participate in this meeting?
[12:12]	Huntress Catteneo 	sorry for tha Zena
[12:12]	Temperance Hax 	I have no clue,as far as i know th thingis opt in
[12:12]	Couldbe 	Zena, I hope you're not still pouty about that comment earlier. You did after all ask why you were here.. which is why I made the flippant comment
[12:12]	Kim Rongyu 	I spent hours on the Business ideas, only for people to jumop in when I tried to talk about them. I'm sorry if you don't see that as important
[12:13]	Zena Zemlja 	both this meetig and zexpo also
[12:13]	Temperance Hax 	kim Id love to hear bout them
[12:13]	Couldbe 	as I understand it there are specific zexpo meetings - which is probably where you should be if you have logistical questions.
[12:13]	Kim Rongyu 	maybe, but some seem more interested in other things
[12:13]	Hypatia Meili 	well participating in zexpo doen mean dealing wi this meeting
[12:13]	Temperance Hax 	welltheyre askingabout benefits to business
[12:14]	Zena Zemlja 	I was invited here as Zexpo exhibitor, Couldbe!!
[12:14]	AnnMarie Otoole 	Non Zindra residents are WELCOME to provide TPs to off Zindra locations. Free advertising.
[12:14]	Couldbe 	but you've highlighted an area where we still need to get some clarity. originally these meetings were for zindra only but do end up talking about adult content in general
[12:14]	Kim Rongyu 	well, I tried to tel pople about what I had planned, didn;t get anywhere
[12:14]	Zada Bury 	Well ... back to work ...
[12:14]	Innula Zenovka 	see you next week, folks.. i have stuff that needs doing
[12:14]	Huntress Catteneo 	these meetings were definately changed to include adult content
[12:15]	Zada Bury 	*waves* See you
[12:15]	Couldbe 	You'll need to ask Ginette why she invited you I'm afraid. I can't answer it
[12:15]	Temperance Hax 	these are adult content meetings. including in general
[12:15]	Huntress Catteneo 	as for Zexpo I have no idea
[12:15]	Huntress Catteneo 	Vaile said often it is for both
[12:15]	Huntress Catteneo 	to meetings were merged
[12:16]	Huntress Catteneo 	two
[12:17]	Zena Zemlja 	I'm really sorry I came to this meeting, I won't attend again
[12:18]	Huntress Catteneo 	sorry to hear that Zena
[12:18]	Temperance Hax 	sorry zena
[12:18]	Huntress Catteneo 	If they all want it to be Zindra only, then many here will be gone
[12:19]	Huntress Catteneo 	as like you they are not Zindra
[12:19]	Hypatia Meili 	this meetin is not zindar only
[12:19]	Huntress Catteneo 	yes I know
[12:19]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Well Huntress this meeting used to be about Zindra residents talking to LL about various issues on the Zidra continent that needed to be addressed
[12:19]	Huntress Catteneo 	some don't apear to agree though
[12:19]	Kim Rongyu 	my sims are adult and private islands, does that mean I am not involved? No of course not
[12:19]	Hypatia Meili 	the zexpo may or may not be that sepratisue as of now (this year)it is not zindra only
[12:20]	Huntress Catteneo 	yes I know what it USED to be
[12:20]	Hypatia Meili 	my cocer is that it doe not include locations promoteing adult out side of adult
[12:20]	Couldbe 	well it's going through a flux atm - I'm sure it will settle down soon
[12:21]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	LOL I wont hold my breath
[12:21]	Couldbe 	I don't want mature peeps to have a say - they should have moved to adult rather than trying to scam the system
[12:21]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	yes, I agree
[12:21]	Huntress Catteneo 	what was said here again highlights the main problem to me as I see it still
[12:21]	Huntress Catteneo 	too many trapped in the past and old rivalry
[12:22]	Hypatia Meili 	thats what neds tobe checke on , on the non zindra locations with actul adult content
[12:22]	Kim Rongyu 	Huntres, the problem seems to me to be simple, too many chiefs and not enough indians
[12:22]	Huntress Catteneo 	hehe
[12:22]	Kim Rongyu 	am I wrong???
[12:22]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	and I dont care about businesses outside of Zindra participating, but there should be measurable benefits to those on this continent as a result
[12:23]	Temperance Hax 	I dont really care at all about the old fights Id liek to see adult content being promoted by sl, which vialewas talking about the meeting before last:)
[12:23]	Hypatia Meili 	viale on vaction?
[12:23]	Huntress Catteneo 	just having people visit the location will have flow on, as people hop from there to explore
[12:23]	Temperance Hax 	yes
[12:23]	Temperance Hax 	lucky thing
[12:23]	Kim Rongyu 	can we nopt just have a single person chairing, Linden rep to carry out things? seems easier
[12:24]	Couldbe 	looking at the marketing and the comms channells it's not really doing much and there's never been any clear objectives or any desire to review the outcome of last year
[12:24]	Kim Rongyu 	and forget all the ego issues?
[12:24]	Temperance Hax 	well the diea ofthe document seems tobe the lindenwill give warnings and throw out people whoget abit too umm
[12:24]	Hypatia Meili 	i maybe misinterpeting but i think the lindens dont wan to
[12:24]	Huntress Catteneo 	they won't agree on anyone
[12:24]	Temperance Hax 	bllodthirsty
[12:24]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	I think that last year there wasnt a lot of hopping off the island to explore the rest of the continent
[12:24]	Huntress Catteneo 	cannot be Gina or Counter
[12:24]	Kim Rongyu 	so if noone agrees, you appoint
[12:24]	Kim Rongyu 	delegation
[12:25]	Temperance Hax 	I dont know, i am always flying intot he mainland from zexpo meetings lol
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