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Minutes/2023-11-17

* Administration
** and 
*** RL still in the process of setting up STUMP for , as some procmail recipes need debugging. (The existing rules mistakenly allowed two test messages to be posted to the group despite being rejected by STUMP.)
*** RL has posted the charters and signing keys for these groups on the wiki
*** Revising the FAQs still TBD
** 
*** TM and Salahuddin were unable to reproduce the problem when posting from Google Groups. PS wrote to indicate that the issue may be linked to a recent flooding attack, as a result of which Google Groups made several groups read-only or gated behind a (possibly buggy) CAPTCHA.
** 
*** TM still to prepare a final MVI for posting this month.
* Infrastructure
** Procmail
*** RL discovered some posts for , all from the same poster, had been mistakenly put in the Board's Panix inbox rather than being forwarded to the moderator. The meeting examined the .procmailrc file and log but couldn't determine the cause of this. It was agreed that RL would remove the obsolete spam-reporting rules from the .procmailrc file. RL will continue to study and revise the file to get the rules working. TM to thereafter check the rules.
* (Web)STUMP
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
* Publicity
* Misc
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2023-11-24

* Administration
** and 
*** RL has finished setting up the moderation system for these groups and will post to them an announcement that we are the new moderators.
*** Revision and wikification of the FAQs still TBD
** 
*** The moderator reports further progress on the moderation system.
** 
*** TM has reviewed the past correspondence with PS on this and has concluded that it would not make sense to issue an MVI before a group removal RFD. TM has prepared such an RFD and will send it to RL and PS for review.
* Infrastructure
** Procmail
*** RL has identified the cause of the filtering issue previously reported for and will apply a fix.
*** RL noted that the procmailrc file was previously under revision control with RCS, and so restored this. The meeting agreed that this file, and the other scripts we use, should be migrated to Git.
** Mail server
*** TM had reported that the mail server was sending daily error reports by e-mail about not being able to stop a certain service (since the required version is not running on the server in the first place). RL updated the configuration so that it looks instead for the version that is installed; however, this now results in different error reports. RL to investigate further.
* (Web)STUMP
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
* Publicity
* Misc
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2023-12-22

* Administration
** 
*** The Board received an MVI enquiry for . RL has been following up.
** Moderator volunteer for 
*** Moderator reports continued difficulties submitting approved posts to news servers; RL to e-mail him with further advice
** Removal of 
** and 
*** RL still importing the FAQs into the wiki
** 
*** TM to post 2nd RFD
* Misc
** Agreed TM would monitor the Board's e-mail for the next week
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2023-12-29

* Administration
** 
*** No response yet from proponent. Agreed to defer.
** Moderator volunteer for 
*** Moderator reports he will be signing up with Panix
** Removal of 
*** No comments yet on 2nd RFD. Agreed to defer.
* Misc
** Agreed to change the regular meeting time to Fridays at 15:00 GMT/BST due to a conflicting appointment for TM
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2024-01-12

* Administration
** Moderator volunteer for 
*** E-mail from Bixby; to be handled by TM
** Removal of 
*** No responses to the 2nd RFD. TM to post the LCC.
* Misc
** Salahuddin has written concerning a new moderation tool; TM to respond
** RL may have Internet access issues for the next few days or weeks, so TM to handle any e-mail correspondence for now.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-01-19

* Administration
** Moderator volunteer for 
*** The Board had offered to announce the new moderator; Bixby has confirmed that this can now go ahead, since the moderation system is working. TM to post this announcement in the same venues as the MVI.
** Removal of 
*** TM posted the LCC on 2024-10-15. Voting period will be from 2024-01-20 to 2024-01-27.
** 
*** Marco Moock wrote to report that the moderation system for this group is not working, and that the old moderator told him that moderation had been transferred to the Board. TM investigated and found no record of such a transfer. TM to contact the last known moderator to confirm the current situation with the group.
** 
*** The Board received an e-mail indicating that posts to this moderated group are not showing up. TM responded, advising the enquirer to contact the moderator directly, and if that doesn't work (or if the moderator responds to indicate that he is no longer willing or able to moderate the group), to get back to us.
* Misc
** Salahuddin has written further concerning his new moderation tool. TM to respond.
** TM will continue to handle any e-mail correspondence.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-02-09

* Administration
** Moderator volunteer for 
*** TM still to post the announcement of the new moderator.
** Removal of 
*** After the call for votes was issued, the Board received an e-mail from someone volunteering to take over as moderator for the group. JS discussed this with Paul Schleck, and as a result of this discussion TM wrote to the volunteer for further information on their background and plans.
*** RL to continue this discussion with the volunteer, in particular to ask whether they would be willing and able to assume technical and/or financial responsibility for the group's existing moderation software setup, and to get further details on their plans to revitalize the group.
*** TM to post a follow-up to the LCC indicating that the matter is on hold pending further discussion with the volunteer.
** Moderation status of 
*** TM still to contact the last known moderator to confirm the current situation with the group.
** 
*** No further correspondence received from the inquirer.
** Proposal to revitalize 
*** No further correspondence received from the inquirer, who had suggested converting the group to an unmoderated one.
*** The meeting reviewed the pros and cons of changing the moderation status of a group and considered whether they still applied to today's smaller Usenet. It was observed that there was at least one past instance of a group being successfully converted from unmoderated to moderated (namely, .
*** RL to open a discussion on and to ask whether anyone was aware of a group being converted from moderated to unmoderated in the past, and what the current feeling is (particularly among news server administrators) on whether such an action would be successful nowadays.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** The webmail and admin front-ends are still down and sending daily nag e-mails about the upgrade and backup status; RL to continue to work on this when time permits.
*** In the meantime, RL to (manually) change the target for Tristan's big-8.org forwarder to his new address.
* Misc
** TM still to respond to Salahuddin's correspondence concerning his moderation tool.
** Last week's meeting was cancelled as RL was travelling.
** Next week's meeting is rescheduled to Thursday, 15 February at 11:00 CST / 17:00 GMT due to a conflicting appointment for TM.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-02-15

* Administration
** Moderator volunteer for 
*** TM posted the announcement of the new moderator.
** Removal of 
*** TM has posted a follow-up to the LCC indicating that the matter is on hold pending further discussion with the volunteer.
*** RL has been continuing to discuss the moderation setup with the volunteer.
** Moderation status of 
*** Scott Hazen Mueller has responded, indicating that he informed Todd McComb of the ISC in July 2018 that he was shutting down his moderation infrastructure. The ISC changed the group forwarding to a "no moderator info" responder. The affected Big-8 groups include:
**** 
**** 
**** 
**** 
**** (possibly)
*** TM to check with Scott Hazen Mueller whether he attempted to find any replacement moderators.
*** TM to respond to Marco's query about 
** Proposal to revitalize 
*** RL investigated historical documents and discussions concerning changing the moderation status of a group. He found that past MVIs had actually given the option of changing moderation status from moderated to unmoderated, but that the Board had removed this language at some point. He also found that RFC 5537 from 2009 apparently provides for changing the moderation status of a group. RL to include a summary of these findings in the discussion thread he will be starting in , , and .
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL has changed the target for Tristan's big-8.org forwarder to his new address.
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
*** Some submissions are still going into our junk mail folder; RL to investigate.
* Misc
** TM has responded to Salahuddin's correspondence concerning his moderation tool.
** Next week's meeting is rescheduled to Friday, 23 February at 11:30 CST / 17:30 GMT due to a conflicting appointment for TM.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-02-23

* Administration
** Removal of 
*** No further communication from volunteer moderator; RL to ping
** Moderation status of 
*** Scott Hazen Mueller has confirmed that he did not seek or find any replacement moderators his groups.
*** Marco has confirmed that he is interested in posting to .
*** The Board agreed to issue an MVI for . TM to handle this.
** Proposal to revitalize 
*** RL still to post his discussion on demoderating groups to and . (On reflection, may not be an appropriate venue.)
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
*** RL has updated the spam filter on the mail server to whitelist submissions. (TM thought he had done this already, but had actually made the change on Panix, which does not handle the Board's usual mail accounts.)
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-03-01

* Administration
** 
*** The Board received an e-mail report that this moderated group is not working. RL contacted the moderator, Greg Pfeil, who indicated that he intends to continue moderating the group. RL has been helping him on technical issues.
** 
*** The Board received an e-mail report that posts to this moderated group from its established mail-to-news gateway have not been showing up since 2020. It's not clear whether the problem is with the moderation system for the newsgroup (e.g., failing to approve and post the e-mails it receives) or with the mail-to-news gateway system (e.g., failing to forward the e-mails to the moderation system). RL has e-mailed the mailing list administrator and is awaiting a response.
** Removal of 
*** RL's discussions with the volunteer moderator have resumed and are ongoing.
** Moderation status of 
*** TM has posted an MVI for and is monitoring the discussion.
** Proposal to revitalize 
*** RL has started a discussion on demoderating groups on and and is monitoring the discussion.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Finances
** TM reported that the Open Collective Foundation collective will be dissolving, and stressed that this does not affect the Board as our finances are hosted by the independent Open Collective Europe.
* Software
** RL has been investigating PyModerator, a moderation software application that we list at Moderated Newsgroups#Moderation Software. The software has not been updated in 20 years, but RL was able to modify it to run with Python 2. RL considers that it would be good to have this software available as an alternative to STUMP, particularly since PyModerator will run in any environment that runs Python, including Microsoft Windows. RL will try submitting his changes upstream.
* Misc
** The Board received an e-mail from an enquirer with various comments and suggestions on reforming Usenet. The meeting discussed the e-mail and observed that much of it addresses aspects of Usenet not in the Board's purview.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-03-08

* Administration
** 
*** RL to ping Greg Pfeil as necessary.
** 
*** Dan Mahoney, the mailing list administrator, replied to RL confirming that the news gateway broke a while ago, but he's not sure why. He says the list will be moving to new mailing list software and is not sure whether it will support the news gateway. He would like to find a solution that preserves the gateway and is investigating this.
** Removal of 
*** RL's to ping the volunteer moderator as necessary.
** Moderation status of 
*** No further responses to the MVI. TM to approach Ivo Gandolfo, who volunteered to assume moderatorship.
** Proposal to revitalize 
*** No further responses to the discussion on re demoderation. RL to ask the volunteer moderator whether, given the risk of some servers not honouring a change in moderator status, they're prepared to assume moderatorship.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** RL has e-mailed his changes to PyModerator and is awaiting a response from the maintainers.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-03-15

* Administration
** 
*** No further updates.
** 
*** No further updates
** Removal of 
*** No further updates.
** Moderation status of 
*** No further updates.
** Proposal to revitalize 
*** No further updates.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** RL received a positive response from the maintainer of PyModerator, who has promised to publish the changes and also granted us permission to redistribute the software. RL to submit complete packages for Python 2 and Python 3, and perhaps also to clarify the exact licence for the software.
** TM to inquire whether there are any local students who might help out with (Web)STUMP and/or a completely new moderation system.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-03-22

* Administration
** , , , 
*** No further updates.
** Moderation status of 
*** Ivo Gandolfo has agreed to take over as moderator and says he has the requisite technical resources in place. He will write to Russ Allbery to ask whether he would serve as a backup moderator. Agreed to wait for further news from him.
** 
*** In April 2023 the Board received an e-mail from Edward McGuire requesting that the moderation status of this group be changed to unmoderated. At the time, JS responded that this was inadvisable. Edward has now responded that he is prepared to take over moderatorship of the group with the blessing of the charter moderator, Norman Ramsey. Edward indicates that he has already set up the necessary moderation software. RL advised Edward to have Norman register the change of moderator with the ISC. TM to ask Edward to let us know once the change has been effected so that the Board can announce the change of moderator.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** RL is continuing to produce a version of PyModerator that works with Python 3 and will send this to the maintainer when it is ready.
** Edward McGuire has reported a bug in STUMP. The meeting examined the report and determined that this was very likely a case of outdated documentation. TM to reply to the report and to Edward's offer to help with STUMP maintenance.
** TM has discovered that his institution is not currently offering any courses directly relevant to web/network programming, but will continue to inquire about students in other courses who might be interested in working on (Web)STUMP.
* Misc
** Agreed to cancel next week's meeting due to the public holiday. Next meeting on 5 April.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-04-05

* Administration
** , , , 
*** No further updates.
** Moderation status of 
*** Ivo Gandolfo has set up his moderation system and confirmed that Russ Allbery will be a second moderator. TM notified the ISC of the changed in moderator and received confirmation from Todd McComb. TM asked Ivo whether the Board can post an announcement and is awaiting a response.
** 
*** Edward McGuire has arranged for the change of moderator to be registered with the ISC and posted an announcement of the new moderator to . With his consent, TM posted a similar announcement to the usual news.* groups.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** Some NGP submission notifications are still going to our Junk folder. RL to look into this.
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** PyModerator: No further updates.
** TM has responded to Edward McGuire's offer to help with STUMP.
** TM has been in contact with a student who is interested in developing a new version of STUMP.
** The Board received an e-mail from Greg Pfeil, who reports on his own work on improving STUMP and asking about contributing or taking over maintenance.
** TM to respond to Greg Pfeil with a view to coordinating work among the various parties who have volunteered and possibly moving forward on plans for funding.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-04-12

* Administration
** , , , 
*** No further updates.
** Moderation status of 
*** TM has posted an announcement about the change in moderators.
** Moderation status of 
** The Board received an e-mail from the current moderator, Florian Rehnisch, who has lost access to his moderation system, is looking to retire from moderation anyway, and wants to find a replacement moderator. TM to follow up.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** Some NGP submission notifications are still going to our Junk folder. RL still to look into this.
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** PyModerator: RL has been making further updates.
** TM met again with the undergraduate student who is interested in developing a new version of STUMP. TM advised him that he would get back to him after coordinating with Edward McGuire and Greg Pfeil.
** TM has responded to Greg Pfeil about coordinating work among the various parties who have volunteered.
** TM to write to Edward McGuire about coordinating (Web)STUMP development with the Board, Greg Pfeil, and TM's student.
** TM to revisit the issue of funding for (Web)STUMP development.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-04-19

* Administration
** , , , 
*** No further updates.
** Moderation status of 
*** TM followed up with Florian Rehnisch, who agreed that the Board could post an MVI but also mentioned a previous RFD from 2011 to remove the group. TM to follow up.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to look into some NGP submission notifications still going to our Junk folder. 
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** PyModerator: RL has been continuing to work on this, setting up a local Git repository to track his progress.
** TM has had further communication individually with his student, Edward McGuire, and Greg Pfeil, who are amenable to continuing the discussion together. Edward asked whether STUMP has a developer mailing list; TM created one and will ask everyone to subscribe, and will also arrange a video meeting if everyone is amenable to the idea.
* Wiki
** Greg Pfeil requested permission to edit the Board's wiki in order to improve the page on moderation software. TM noted that MediaWiki has very little support for access control, which might make it difficult to isolate the private areas of the wiki from logged-in users. It was agreed that TM would suggest that Greg submit his edits by e-mail for now, with a view to revisiting the matter if the volume of edits becomes such that finding an access control solution would require less work.
* Finances
** TM has reviewed the applications requirements for OTF's funding programs. STUMP would not (yet) qualify for its FOSS Sustainability Fund due to lack of steady releases, but might be eligible through the Internet Freedom Fund (IFF). The guidelines indicate that "ideal" applicants seek at least $50,000. It may be easiest to route the funding through TM's employer, and he has written to its research funding office to ask how this would work. He is still waiting for their response.
** TM has submitted and approved expenses through Open Collective for Panix hosting. RL indicated that he has outstanding expenses that he has not yet claimed. TM thought JE likewise had outstanding expenses. Our OC balance probably wouldn't cover any further expenses without further donations from the Board members (or some external donors).
* Misc
** Agreed to delay the start of the 26 April meeting by half an hour due to a conflicting appointment of TM's.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-04-26

* Administration
** , , , 
*** No further updates. RL to ping the respective correpondents.
** Moderation status of 
*** TM had further correspondence with Florian Rehnisch after noting that he now seems to be approving posts. Florian seems to be willing to continue to stay on as moderator. TM to confirm this.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to look into some NGP submission notifications still going to our Junk folder. 
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** PyModerator: RL has been continuing to work on this and will liaise with the original author regarding making the source repository available and distributing the packages.
** TM has received coarse-grained availability information from everyone except Greg Pfeil, whom he will ping.
** TM will ping his employer's research office for a response to his questions about OTF IFF funding.
* Publicity
** TM raised the possibility of a presentation at Born-Digital Collections, Archives and Memory. The conference will be held 2–4 April 2025; proposals to be submitted by 15 May 2024. RL to think of a topic and draft an abstract. TM to contact other possible presenters for a full panel.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-05-03

* Administration
** , , , 
*** No further updates. RL to ping the respective correpondents.
** Moderation status of 
*** TM has written to Florian Rehnisch to confirm that he is willing to remain moderator. Waiting for response.
* Infrastructure
** Mail server
*** RL still to look into some NGP submission notifications still going to our Junk folder. 
*** RL still to work on getting the webmail and admin front-ends working again.
* Software
** PyModerator: RL has been continuing to work on this. The software now basically works, and RL has identified some (pre-existing) bugs and areas for improvement.
** TM has received information from his employer's research office regarding employing student assistants with OTF IFF funding. He will review this soon.
** TM has now received coarse-grained availability information from everyone. He will send around a poll for a meeting soon.
* Publicity
** The meeting discussed plans for a panel at Born-Digital Collections, Archives and Memory. Agreed that TM would draft abstracts for two presentations (one tentatively introducing Usenet and why it is important to preserve/study, and another focussing on the technical/scholarly/legal/ethical challenges in using Usenet data) and send them to RL for revision/discussion. TM received a positive response from Avery Dame-Griff as a third presenter for the panel.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024