Ice Climbers (SSBM)/Grab

==Overview==
One or both of the ice climbers reaches mitten(s) forward, grabbing a single opponent, at which point the player can choose a throw, assuming they grabbed with the primary climber (usually referred to as Popo, even when using different costumes), or the game will choose a throw for the player, if they grabbed with the backup climber (usually referred to as Nana). It has subpar range (7th-worst in the game), but can be comboed into from jab.
At first glance, the move appears to be a standard, if slightly worse than usual thanks to its low range, grab; like all grabs, it can be used to combo into the climbers' aerials, or to throw the opponent off-stage and set up an edgeguard. However, this fails to tell the whole story. Because the player is able to control two climbers at the same time, they're able to hit the opponent with one climber while the other is still stuck in end lag, or even before the grabbing climber has actually thrown the opponent. This opens the door up to a ton of pseudo-infinites, or even a true infinite in the case of wobbling, which makes the Ice Climber's grab a terrifying option for the opponent, and is usually why the Ice Climbers are considered the closest thing to a grappler in Melee, although some would argue that title belongs to with his Cargo Throw.
As mentioned previously, grabbing enables the Ice Climbers to perform the wobble, a true zero-to-death against every character in the game. However, since wobbling has been banned by the majority of tournaments since 2020, Ice Climbers have been forced to rely on other techniques to make the fullest use of grab. Examples of these techniques include handoffs and its variation the cookhold, the combo of -> -> regrab, and Popo's down throw chain grab, which can be done without Nana's help and can even be used to set up a wobble where it's not banned. However, all of these options have drawbacks which make them worse than wobbling: handoffs and the cookhold require the Ice Climbers to be close to the ledge in order for Nana to throw the opponent in a predictable manner, as she will attempt to throw the opponent off-stage if close to the ledge and randomly if she's anywhere else, the down-throw -> down air -> regrab setup can be escaped with SDI, and the down-throw chain throw only works against and at specific percents.
Overall, even after the move was nerfed by the wobbling ban, it's still a terrifying option and one that any Ice Climbers opponent should rightfully respect. However, the move falls flat in one instance: the ditto match. Because the Ice Climbers are usually unable to grab both of their opponents' climbers, the climber who wasn't grabbed can usually just hit the comboing climbers out of their setups, thus interrupting the combo and resetting the match to neutral. However, this is only when both of the victim's climbers are still alive; in situations where the victim's Nana is dead, the grabbing climbers' deadly grab game is unlocked, allowing them to deal massive damage to Popo, if not outright being able to KO them.
==Hitboxes==
===Standing grab===
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===Dash grab===
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==Timing==
===Standing grab===
Grab 	7-8
Animation length	30
===Dash grab===
Grab 	7-8
Animation length	40
Category:Ice Climbers (SSBM)
Category:Grabs (SSBM)