Governance/SteeringGroupMinutes/2011-Mar-29

Yocto Project Steering Group Meeting Minutes - 29 March, 2011
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ATTENDEES
Participating Organizations:
 Dell: Sean Hudson
 Intel: Dave Stewart, Tracey Erway
 Mentor Graphics: John Cherry, Brad Dixon
 MontaVista Software: Dan Cauchy, Joe Green, Mark Orvek
 Sakoman Inc: Steve Sakoman
 Texas Instruments: Jason Kridner
 Wind River Systems: Paul Anderson, Lieu Ta
Others:
 Linux Foundation: Mike Woster, Richard Purdie
 Community Management: Jeff Osier-Mixon
Apologies:
 Timesys: Atul Bansal, Ed Nash
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AGENDA
Introduction by Mike Woster
Member introductions
Discuss high-level objectives & expectations
Discuss future meetings & Collaboration Summit plans
Adjourn
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MINUTES
Introduction - Mike Woster
Welcome to everyone - Steering groups like this function best with
a light touch, influencing rather than controlling. The real technical
decisions are made by maintainers and accomplished in repos, on email and
IRC. Role of the Steering Group: everyone here has committed to providing 
technical resources, also to getting other people involved. Committed to 
seeing the project succeed and positioning in the market in a way that is 
helpful to the broadest set of participants. Steering group meetings are 
open - minutes are published publicly.
Member introductions
TI - Jason Kridner, ARM microprocessor community development manager.
 Bill Mills [not present] - Communications Infrastructure and 
 organizer of TI's Linux strategy
Mentor - John Cherry, Sr Eng Mgr for Mentor Embedded Linux, formerly 
 OSDL & Intel, tagteaming with...
 Brad Dixon, Product Marketing Director of Open Source Solutions
MontaVista - Dan Cauchy, VP Marketing & Business Development, also 
 handles consortiums.
 Mark Orvek VP Engineering
 Joe Freen, Manager, Development Tools Team
OpenEmbedded - Phil Balister, OpenEmbedded eV chair
Dell - Sean Hudson - new to yocto, comes from OE background
 excited about prospect of joining forces with open & corp communities
 wants to see smooth integration
Wind River - Paul Anderson, VP Strategic Mktg for Embedded Linux
 Lieu Ta, Director of Linux Operations
Sakoman Inc - Steve Sakoman, consultant on embeddd linux apps
 using oe on all projects last 2-3 yrs
 looking forward to added momemtum
 involved with Palm's original decision to go with OE
Intel - Dave Stewart, Engingeering Manager in Open Source Tech Center
 managing folks working on Yocto Project
 Tracey Erway - Marketing for Intel's involvement in Yocto Project
Linux Foundation:
 Richard Purdie - LF fellow, architect for project, here to listen in 
 & facilitate flow of information
 Mike Woster - LF VP Business Development
Secretary: Jeff "Jefro" Osier-Mixon, Yocto Project Community Manager
 working for Intel
Discuss high-level objectives & expectations
What kinds of benefits do orgs hope to draw from Yocto Project?
 Mike W: got feedback from Sean & Phil, interest in OE integration
 Mentor - John wants to prevent fragmentation of open source business
 good with this group to have unified message around embedded linux
 to battle embedded Linux fragmentation issues
 enable choice & competition on services & value-add
 opportunities to network with device vendors & suppliers
 semis to be more involved, including Linaro
 Brad - project important to Mentor, rough edges in coherency, 
 wants to see it made generally better; participating orgs can help 
 make rough places smoother
 
 MontaVista - Dan - we adopted OE approach a long time ago, which is
 why we are interested in project, see benefits of oe coming together 
 with other features that can be incorporated into one upstream 
 development environment for everyone
 Mark - improvement of base technology, everyone aware of issues OE 
 has had over years w reliability - improvement will be very valuable
 Joe - improve software between various vendor systems
 
 WindRiver - Paul - echo John's comment about helping fragmentation in 
 deeply embedded; drive commonality where it makes sense, enable 
 innovation in a flexible foundation where people can add value
 coordinate messaging - message that works for all, strive to do 
 things again that support core message about deeply embedded
 big goal is connecting ecosystems, open & commercial, hw & sw, 
 bring together value to raise bar collectively
 less time working on things nondifferentiating, more time adding 
 value at higher level
 
 Intel - Dave - value broader participation in open source projects, 
 excited to help project achieve goals, hope people can be assets 
 to all of us working together on something - also hopeful that the
 group can help intel from going off rails; worked so much with 
 other companies, Intel gets how to do open source & link with 
 commercial, hopeful we can work together as team
 to make sure we are meeting everybody's needs
 not going to be perfect, hope you can help us guide us gently 
 feel very privileged to work with this team, very optimistic
 thank to LF, compliments to mike
 
 Mike W - excited to see embedded going from 60% to 95% share
 get in touch with questions, anything we can do just let us know
 CELF is now LF - many CE companies are now interested in Yocto
 
 TI - Jason - a lot of things hoping to get out of Yocto, aligning 
 vendors & community so both interests are served
 a lot of overlap - Yocto has potential for solving overlap
 easing OE's reliability concerns - OS vendors, customers, TI
 internally use OE to produce SDKs, try to deliver to OSVs, but
 not something we feel comfortable delivering to customers
 hope some sort of baseline to deliver - enable OSVs to differentiate
Discuss future meetings & Collaboration Summit plans
 Jefro - outlined Yocto Project events over the next few weeks
 Collaboration Summit April 6-8
 Weds: Keynote by Jim Zemlin
 Yocto Panel Discussion
 Linux Success in Hardware
 Thur: 9:00-10:30 Yocto Steering Group Meeting
 10:45-12pm Participating Orgs forum
 1:30-5:00 Open forum for potential participants
 5:00pm on Evening reception at Dosa on Fillmore
 Fri: 9:00-12:00 Embedded Linux track
 1:30-5:30 Yocto technical meeting*
 * meeting to be repeated at ELC
 
 Embedded Linux Conference April 11-13
 Mon: Keynote by Dirk Hohndel
 Steering Group lunch, Kosakura Boardroom
 Tue: Yocto technical lunch meeting, Kosakura Boardroom
 BoF on Tuesday afternoon
 full demonstration at demo night Tues
 several YP technical presentations throughout conference
 Mike notes that LF will make sure future conferences do not
 bridge over two weeks
 
Future plans
 Decide F2F meeting date at end of April or early May near ESC-SV
 Steve - good idea
 Sean (Dell) - seems close in terms of timeline, going to ELC & Collab
 Mentor not at Collab Summit
 Interested in meeting Apr 12 at ELC
 **Forward discussion to April 7 meeting
 Agenda items for F2F at Collab on April 7
 **F2F meeting in early May or not? If so, when?
 Jason - binary dist of toolchains for different platforms
 - prebuilt binary package feeds including staged packages
 Richard - talked about producing binary feeds, more useful is ssate cache, makes sure validates against config user wnats to build
 Phil - binary package feed, a lot is distro responsibility
 Brad - makes sense, applies even to toolchains
 Richard - some kind of ref platform as a known standard is good thing, but
 dont want to get into position that this binary is all we should have
 having some ref there to do tests on is good
 Brad - have to work with something known to work
 concerned about one platform being deemed "the standard"
 Richard this is why consciously backed away
 pushing build system & common technology- should discuss more F2F
 toolchains that work with specific hw very useful
 Phil - wants to make easier for people to do embedded development
 eclipse etc
 easier to use the output of yocto/oe
 Richard already been doing work in that direction
 
 Mike W: consensus on meeting in may? 
 Talk about positioning, how to get broader set of participation
 help embedded linux thrive, reduce fragmentation
 another chance to meet
 Phil - maybe on may, Richard possibly, Dan will be in EU but Mark can attend, 
 Dave Stewart was not intending to go but can
 Mike W - let's see what comes out of next F2F meeting
 Paul - f2f not subustitue for calls
 Sean - play it by ear, suggest regular tempo for conf calls
 every 2-3 weeks, month
 depends on how much we get done at each call
 Paul suggests presched monthly, agenda business oriented
 for deeper topics - committee call between meetings, report back
 Richard: use yocto mailing list for technical discussions
 Phil - F2F, OE project hosted out of OSU OSL lab sharing server 
 with other projects, traffic loads getting high
 having friction with OSU **
 Mike W - has some lines on other ideas & hardware
 Jason - talked about communicating more openly
 Phil also highlighted merge open source & commercial efforts seamlessness
 avoid appearance of ivory tower steering group
 try to have posting podcast and/or minutes to community
 Dave - likes podcast idea
 Dave - meet on IRC? pros & cons, dont get to hear explanations
 Paul - in person discussion is better
 Paul - ** early & often have conversations around coordinating messages 
 to oss community, messages within respective commercial busiensss
 doing so in a way that keeps us all properly connected
 set some basic parameters
 Monday at ELC is ok
 Paul leaving Tues
 
SINCE MEETING:
 - set up Steering Group lunch meeting at ELC
 Monday April 11, lunch, Kosakura Boardroom
 - set up 2nd technical meeting at ELC
 Tuesday April 12, lunch, Kosakura Boardroom
See you all on April 7