Doc Team/2010-08-04

TESTING DON'T TOUCH THIS - Spanicky doldrums
== Transcript ==
[13:01]	:	where i am now
[13:01]	:	hum
[13:02]	:	Well, I got here, and FPS was excellent. Went afk for a bit, came back... and FPS was 8 or 10.
[13:02]	:	More avatars will do that :-)
[13:02]	:	I also find that if my camera is looking South my framerate drops.
[13:02]	:	Aargle and I share the same hairdresser it seems, we are high ARC
[13:02]	:	lowered my draw distance, but that didn't seem to help
[13:02]	:	(From here)
[13:03]	:	/me raises his draw distance back up to max
[13:03]	:	bloo kitteh!
[13:03]	:	Hi Jonit :-)
[13:03]	:	holy cow
[13:03]	:	hey Morgaine :)
[13:03]	:	this must be on HTTP too
[13:03]	:	Jeremy is it open here for all?
[13:03]	 	has pinged you.
[13:03]	:	almost everything rezzed in a asnap
[13:04]	:	or did i desturb
[13:04]	:	snap
[13:04]	:	hiya Qie
[13:04]	:	hum
[13:04]	:	/me wakes back up
[13:04]	:	Who was it that said sacred cows make the best hamburger? Seems to me it was that guy at Mad Magazine. ã‹¡
[13:04]	:	hey Jeremy!
[13:04]	 	has pinged you.
[13:04]	:	Yes it is! This is the weekly Documentation Team office hour. Everyone is free to come and chat, preferably about online help :-)
[13:04]	:	otay
[13:04]	:	It's not HTTP here, but yes, it all rezzed instantly.
[13:04]	:	thx
[13:04]	:	hi folks. :)
[13:04]	:	yeah... sometimes we talk about that. :-)
[13:05]	:	Good to see so many new faces this week... did we get some new advertising? :-)
[13:05]	:	lol
[13:05]	:	i am flying the way
[13:05]	:	Jeremy: we heard you were giving out cake
[13:05]	 	has pinged you.
[13:05]	:	hihihi
[13:05]	:	i was looking for CG
[13:05]	:	interesting survey about help sources currently.
[13:05]	:	he has a train
[13:05]	:	or someone has an agenda to bring up. :D
[13:05]	:	/me points a t Aargle
[13:05]	:	I'm sorry Morgaine, but I think the cake was a lie. I'll see what I can do about Jello, though.
[13:05]	:	CG? he doesn't have meetings
[13:05]	:	naw, we just told a few people if they dint com we would um... make them use 2.1!
[13:05]	:	jupp but i was there
[13:05]	:	LOL
[13:05]	:	playing with his train
[13:06]	:	:(
[13:06]	:	now he is gone
[13:06]	:	CG turns up at Merov's meetings sometimes
[13:06]	:	or Nyx's
[13:06]	:	i like his lightning things
[13:06]	:	pictures
[13:06]	:	Ah, yes! We sent out a survey today requesting everyone's feedback on three of our online help sources. I hope lots of you got a chance to fill it out!
[13:06]	:	he's normally got good things to contribute to meetings. I miss his regular ones
[13:06]	:	Morgaine, you are so going to get hugged and petted to death if you stay on that sofa
[13:06]	:	/me grumbles about Ontyne all of a sudden
[13:07]	:	Jeremy: that's OK. I have no spoon either.
[13:07]	 	has pinged you.
[13:07]	:	i did. not sure yould like my answers
[13:07]	:	Morgaine may make people want to turn Tiny
[13:07]	:	THere IS no spoon! :D
[13:07]	:	mm i like to elp in help island
[13:07]	:	/me chuckles
[13:07]	:	i allways do
[13:07]	:	Any answer is a good answer, Cummere. If it turns out people don't like the wiki or the forums, it means we'll need to find a better way.
[13:08]	:	but today i got the wrong viewer from a firend
[13:08]	:	grrrrrr
[13:08]	:	very slow
[13:08]	:	well, it'll be along time before we have direct-neural-link info-dumps. :D
[13:08]	:	well i putbasically that they were too complicated and too outdated in many cases but i did say you guys had improved it some
[13:08]	:	di what?
[13:08]	:	/me doesn't want to know what kind of info-dumps griefers would attempt with direct neural links.
[13:08]	:	my only bitch I have with the wiki is when I try to find something I get a deluge of OH transcripts as teh first 500 hits
[13:09]	:	must change my viewer its to slow and i dont see all
[13:09]	:	brb
[13:09]	:	I tihnk they said they were working on a way to exclude the the OH minutes from the wiki seraches
[13:09]	:	yeah i think better searching and search indexing would do wonders
[13:09]	:	Noted, Bronson. I'm actually looking into possible ways to filters office hour transcripts from the search results. We might need to create a new category for them or something.
[13:10]	:	a new catagrory would be great
[13:10]	:	most people search in All
[13:10]	:	yes
[13:10]	:	other then this the wiki works fine
[13:10]	:	so they should not show up by deafult
[13:10]	:	All is a tricky category
[13:10]	:	as it's default selected
[13:10]	:	mm
[13:10]	:	using "-office" in the search helps somewhat
[13:10]	:	better
[13:11]	:	Indeed, Jonit. We do have control over the Google Search Appliance that handles Google searches on the wiki, though. We might be able to tweak it to play nicer with office hour results.
[13:11]	:	my main gripe with the survey was that it made a big deal of talking about SLA, *not* General Discussion... when in fact there are all the other forums, too, including content creation like Scripting, where a lot of help gets dispensed.
[13:11]	:	drop relevance
[13:11]	:	maybe
[13:11]	:	/me wishes there was an inworld notification for when your support ticket is answered as she bites her nails about her entire video vendor disappearing from the private island one day early and knows at one point her ticket was ignored for a year. She tries not to panick and settles on the sofa shifting her windows between the ticket and her SL viewer.
[13:12]	:	my biggest bugbear with SLA is the inane questions that are asked, and then get turned into discussions
[13:12]	:	two biggest things i would like to see: better relevancing, and more work keeping things updated. for example, wiki sends you to live chat for a lot of things live chat refuses to do anything for now
[13:13]	:	Interesting observation, Qie. I haven't been very involved in the Linden side of the forums much, myself, but I got the impression that we want to showcase Second Life Answers. It's interesting to hear that the other categories are just as useful.
[13:13]	:	well, useful for different people, probably
[13:13]	:	more usueful really. sla seems to be a waste unless you want social gossip or drama
[13:14]	:	Before I was a Linden, I got the most use out of the old Scripting forums ;-)
[13:14]	:	Commere, yes
[13:14]	:	Yep, the old forums rocked.
[13:14]	:	SLA seems to be a vehicle for postcount junkies
[13:14]	:	yeah... unfortunately, the switch to Jive has not been kind to the old content forums regulars.
[13:14]	:	who are unaware that SLA is not there for that
[13:15]	:	im not dissing sla jeremy its jsut its really not the help center it was expected to be
[13:15]	 	has pinged you.
[13:16]	:	I second that
[13:16]	:	As for keeping content up to date, we do the best we can... And we definitely appreciate it when helpful Residents make updates to wiki articles when they find inaccuracies. Right now, the team is back down to me and Jon, so we're happy to get as much help as we can :-)
[13:16]	:	example question, umm" My BF dumped me what do I do?"
[13:16]	:	in SLA
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:16]	:	that starts a discussion
[13:16]	:	`*Â·. âœ¿ Giggles âœ¿ .Â·*`
[13:16]	:	and before you know it
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:16]	:	ihihi
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:16]	:	it's unuseful
[13:16]	:	Jonit: just tell 'em to clear cache and relog. :p
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:17]	:	ã‹¡
[13:17]	:	I do not care!
[13:17]	:	I never reply
[13:17]	:	Heh! Does Jive not have a way to "thumbs-down" such a question as irrelevant?
[13:17]	:	now that's an idea
[13:17]	:	Im so going to do that next time I hear a dumb quetion
[13:17]	:	LOL !!! :D
[13:17]	:	clear cacjhe relog
[13:17]	:	good point! (giggles)
[13:17]	:	*clicks off
[13:17]	:	Since there's a lull, could I ask whether the Doc team is involved with internal technical documentation at all? My interest is specifically in design documentation.
[13:17]	:	lauging so hard now
[13:17]	:	example 2? as I am thinking of them.. "I am a man, I log in as a woman, that ok?"
[13:17]	:	cant type
[13:17]	:	now sure if you asked if it would cause more lag
[13:17]	:	whispers: that's valid!
[13:18]	:	that's valid
[13:18]	:	I know a few ppl who are one gender and sign on as the other.
[13:18]	:	i am a alien and loged in as human hehehe
[13:18]	:	I'm not one of them, mind....
[13:18]	:	these are just examples
[13:18]	:	Of course
[13:18]	:	Morgaine, my particular team doesn't play a big part in design documentation, but we are "allied" with Rand, who handles some of the internal docs. I'm not sure even he does design docs, though :-)
[13:18]	:	Aha, thanks Jeremy
[13:18]	 	has pinged you.
[13:18]	:	And, when I get the opportunity, I try to push Doc Team as a user advocate in any design sessions we get invited to.
[13:19]	:	No Torley! I will get onto SLA this minute and whine!
[13:19]	:	my favorite was "I dumped my girlfriend for my wife, but now i miss my girlffriend, waht do i do?"
[13:19]	:	ha ha ha
[13:19]	:	I am notecarding that one
[13:19]	:	Haha! Torley will still be here some weeks, but he's officially on a different team, now.
[13:19]	:	Jeremy: have the team reorgs more or less settled down now?
[13:19]	 	has pinged you.
[13:19]	:	watermelon team ?
[13:19]	:	clear cache relog
[13:20]	:	well as the average male, I will whinge about Kate not being here, and join some fangroup then
[13:20]	:	is sad to say she actually read through the one she just mentioned. it was quite.... intresting...
[13:20]	:	you did?
[13:20]	:	I now need to
[13:20]	:	if only as an insomnia cure
[13:20]	:	send me the link
[13:21]	:	One thing I'd æ„› to know... System requirements are spellled out... so why are people still asking about what hardware to use
[13:21]	:	@Morgaine, I hope so! Doc Team hasn't changed much, but the Lab as a whole is beginning to focus on new strategies. One of those is the idea of a clean, usable, "self-help" system, which Doc Team will help to select or build.
[13:21]	:	because they want to make themselves heard
[13:21]	:	because they dont bother looking
[13:22]	:	it's simple, I can be heard here, even though my question is pointless, I am "involved"
[13:22]	:	Jeremy
[13:22]	 	has pinged you.
[13:22]	:	I have a suggestion
[13:22]	:	who all wanted the link?
[13:22]	 	Holder Give Away: Hello, Avatar!
[13:23]	:	I don't know if it fits here
[13:23]	:	um
[13:23]	:	link please
[13:23]	:	..
[13:23]	:	Go ahead, Olive.
[13:23]	:	I wanted to suggest having another layer over the face so that people can make makeup for the face instead of buying a whole new skin
[13:23]	:	multiwearables?
[13:23]	:	Olive, the tattoo layer does that! it's very cool
[13:23]	:	I guess "self-help" just means online, these day.
[13:23]	:	we have it?
[13:23]	:	http://blogs.secondlife.com/message/329410 # (for those that wanted the link)
[13:23]	:	sounds liek a possibility for the tattoo layer
[13:24]	:	ah no, I mean we have more layers now
[13:24]	:	would also be useful for things like, making your av blush beet red
[13:24]	:	hmm I didn't know I haven't checked the tattoo layer does that
[13:24]	:	I believe the tattoo layer in Viewer 2.0+ can be used for things like makeup, yes.
[13:24]	:	theres not a face tattoo layer
[13:24]	:	ok
[13:24]	:	I don't use 2.0
[13:24]	:	sadly
[13:24]	:	:)
[13:24]	:	its torso and legs
[13:24]	:	I smell a JIRA coming
[13:24]	:	I made my own "eye anti-make-up" and am wearing it now. on tattoo layer.
[13:24]	:	olive that is a good suggestion though...
[13:25]	:	lol Qie
[13:25]	:	needs to go
[13:25]	:	sorry
[13:25]	:	be back later
[13:25]	:	bye
[13:25]	:	whispers: ciao!
[13:25]	:	Yeah... Nyx would be able to give your more detailed information about tattoos and multiwearables at his office hour. He holds those right before this office hour, actually :-)
[13:25]	:	just was there before.
[13:26]	:	ok
[13:26]	:	On one of the other grids, someone came up with mud "clothes" at the underwear layer and as socks and undershirt and stuff.... so you could be covered head to toe in a mudbath rhingy, plus mud-covered pants and jacket-layer shirt. But there was no way to make the face mud-covered
[13:26]	:	Are you sure there's no tatoo face layer now? I thought Nyx had provided that missing layer in V2. He was certainly aware of the lack, we discussed it in his OH.
[13:26]	:	much nicer meeting than the previous 2, fortunately
[13:26]	:	I have mud clothes
[13:26]	:	that's nice
[13:26]	:	actualkly, yuou were only mud-covbered from NECK to toes
[13:26]	:	as far as I know tehre is a face tattoo layer
[13:27]	:	Pretty sure tattoo layer covers everywhere
[13:27]	:	There certainly wasn't before. But I thought that was fixed in recent times.
[13:27]	:	Actually, I wonder if I included that in Viewer Help...
[13:27]	:	and, sorry I can't type perfect when doing it fast. heh
[13:27]	:	there definitely is a face part of the tattoo layer, on 2.x anyway
[13:27]	:	Where is Torley now, after leaving Doc?
[13:27]	:	he shows up sometimes here. he was here last week.
[13:27]	:	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewerhelp:Appearance_Editor_-_Tattoo
[13:28]	:	Thanks Jeremy
[13:28]	 	has pinged you.
[13:28]	:	I have aliens with a human face, was quite disappointed that there was no face layer above skin, which is why I raised it with Nyx some time back.
[13:28]	:	I'm not sure what the new name of his team is, but Torley initially moved to a team called "Partnerships".
[13:28]	:	Ahhh
[13:28]	:	It WOULD be nice if there was a "mask" layer for the head, tho. That way, someone could put in a mask (instead of making it a prim), wear a hockeymaskk or a Lone Ranger mask, or.... well.... mud on te face.... without resorting to prims
[13:29]	:	There is
[13:29]	:	/me scratches head at teams names
[13:29]	:	you can use the alpha layer to make yourself headless
[13:29]	:	the "mask" layer, is it something added with 2.0 or 2.1?
[13:29]	:	(Morgaine, yes that was amusing)
[13:29]	:	2.0
[13:29]	:	ah
[13:29]	:	I have accidentally made myself headless several times. I think it might become the new box-on-head newbie mistake :-/
[13:29]	:	Jonit: like Q's "Sustaining" team
[13:30]	:	Exactly
[13:30]	:	corporate America
[13:30]	:	I gotta split early, but thanks for spending time with us, Jeremy
[13:30]	 	has pinged you.
[13:30]	:	alpha mask is 2.0 and higher
[13:30]	:	Thanks for coming, Aargle.
[13:30]	:	hmm so if we are supposed to have a head tatoo layer i got a corrupted install of 2.1
[13:30]	:	tc aargle
[13:30]	:	Right... You can wear an alpha mask in Viewer 2.0 or higher, but Viewer 1.23 can view alpha masks properly.
[13:30]	:	it's not a separate layer, it's a separate texture in the tattoo layer, Cummere.
[13:31]	:	anyways... might be good to add another layer too though so we can do both makeups and facial tats
[13:31]	:	but you don't have to make the mask alpha, right?
[13:31]	:	I'll have to ask the Imprudence team if alpha mask is scheduled for Imprudence some time.
[13:31]	:	it's in Emerald
[13:31]	:	I think the default is "completely invisible for that part of your body", Nathan.
[13:31]	:	hell should be in Imprudence by now
[13:31]	:	Imprudence takes many things from Emerald. I might finish my aliens one day then :-)
[13:31]	:	but can it be worn like a garment, tho?
[13:31]	:	hmmm... I dunno if one can wear multiple tattoo layers... I bet we can
[13:32]	:	just find a texture with transparency, and set it as the layer
[13:32]	:	you can then work out what covers what
[13:32]	:	More or less, Nathan. It's another wearable, like skin or clothes.
[13:32]	:	as in, right click and select wear at mask layer?
[13:32]	:	kewl
[13:32]	:	Yep! Lemme see if I can screenshot one in my inventory quickly.
[13:33]	:	Well remember that we can manufacture our own bakes now, and they need bear ***NO RELATIONSHIP*** to the clothes you equip. So you can bake in a million texture layers if you want, without even having them as assets in SL.
[13:33]	:	true true
[13:33]	:	I wonder if Sai will bake off his tummy
[13:33]	:	wow
[13:33]	:	/me wonders how soon this usage will propogate out to the OpenSim grids.
[13:34]	:	http://screencast.com/t/OTAxMGRlY
[13:34]	:	All those content creators so agitated about copying, they should make their own bakes. Then their precious assets won't even be in SL at all.
[13:35]	:	*nods*
[13:35]	:	actually, how excited are we about HTTP textures rollout
[13:35]	:	and will this allow textures NOT to come from LL's servers?
[13:35]	:	I like it a lot, Jonit
[13:35]	:	as do I
[13:35]	:	potentially
[13:35]	:	TextureTest was fast and lovely
[13:35]	:	Yes, in due course. It's an enabler for interop.
[13:36]	:	indeed
[13:36]	:	is there any danger of malware or exploits being propogated that way? oO
[13:36]	:	I'm not 100% filled in on the full capabilities of HTTP textures, but at the very least they should improve texture performance.
[13:36]	:	not by images squeezed to deaththrough JPEG200
[13:36]	:	looks very interesting, that project.
[13:36]	:	HTTP is live on Agni this week or next I think
[13:36]	:	seeing the easel with WANTED on it, I can only hope the support ticket I filed an hour ago wont be ignored for six months
[13:37]	:	well... IP address would still be associable to the avatar loading the texture, if outside LL's network. just like parcel media, shared media, and audio streams.
[13:37]	:	the support ticket I sent in hasnt been touched in three weeks
[13:37]	:	Images aren't executed anyway, It would be safe even if texture images were passed straight through. Same as on the web. Images aren't executed.
[13:37]	:	I doubt it, but they do seem to have farmed Livechat and first response off to 3rd parties
[13:37]	:	Jeremy, can you confirm?
[13:37]	 	has pinged you.
[13:38]	:	dont mention livechat.
[13:38]	:	far out, well an estate owner towld meher island would be gone tomorrow, they lied to her, her island is gone now along with my entire vendor. So by three weeks or more, my stuff will be long gone.
[13:38]	:	/me is not equipped to comment on the status or composition of Support, outside doc team.
[13:38]	:	jeremy, thanks, that made me smile
[13:38]	 	has pinged you.
[13:38]	:	one of them banned an account for tellign her he was gonna try and get her fired... and she really deserves it
[13:39]	:	Erk. Abuse of power.
[13:39]	:	OO
[13:40]	:	So Jeremy, what's next in the doc team's plans?
[13:40]	 	has pinged you.
[13:40]	:	Wiki being strengthened?
[13:40]	:	Jira is moving to Jira4
[13:40]	:	Right now, we're working on ways to streamline the wiki/KB into something people will want to use. Personally, I'd like to push Viewer Help a bit more. I think not enough people know about it, and it could become a powerful tool.
[13:41]	:	Presumably it covers LSL Help.
[13:41]	:	Viewer 2 help is actually quite good... and I agree, not many people know about it.
[13:41]	:	do you think that the Wiki format is clunky (in a sense that it doesn't match up with the look and feel of the rest of LL's web efforts)?
[13:41]	:	and that many Resis will not know Wikipedia, and that format so well
[13:42]	:	Hey, leave wiki alone, lol! The last thing it needs is a makeover --- it's meant to be functional, and it is!
[13:42]	:	Viewer Help doesn't cover LSL, but we did a few experiments on trying to re-skin the existing LSL content on the wiki into something usable by the Viewer Help engine.
[13:43]	:	kk Jeremy, tnx
[13:43]	 	has pinged you.
[13:43]	:	nice
[13:43]	:	actually, speaking of wiki skins: the Blender wiki is quite visually appealing.
[13:43]	:	As for the look and feel of the wiki, we're trying to fix that a little, but I don't know about a complete re-skin. It's definitely something to consider, if it would get more people to use it.
[13:43]	:	it is Morgaine, but look at it from a noobosh perspective
[13:43]	:	Blender, eh?
[13:44]	:	Do they use MediaWiki?
[13:44]	:	yep
[13:44]	:	Si, Blender
[13:44]	:	jonit every noob ive sent to the wiki seems to have no trouble at all withit
[13:44]	:	http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:2.5/Manual/Interface
[13:44]	:	its a familiar layout to anyone thats used any other wiki
[13:44]	:	allright
[13:44]	:	i honestly would hate to deal with the headaches if it was changed too much
[13:44]	:	yeah teh look of the SL wiki is almost identical with wikipedia
[13:45]	:	and others
[13:45]	:	Hm. That is pretty nice-looking.
[13:45]	:	so its a familiarity of use
[13:45]	:	it really jsut needs updated and the search tweaked
[13:45]	:	Huh, Blender one looks neat, yes
[13:45]	:	yep
[13:45]	:	MediaWiki takes zero minutes to learn to navigate, a few minutes to learn to post, and no more than 15 minutes to learn to markup. I think newbs are plenty competent to handle wiki, it's really basic.
[13:45]	:	you think too much of the noobs, look at SLA
[13:45]	:	That's good to hear, Morgaine!
[13:46]	:	again and again they fail to find it
[13:46]	:	Finding stuff seems to be problematic everywhere, hehe. Except for Google, who found the magic touch
[13:46]	:	sla isnt exactly right up front and personal as such
[13:47]	:	SL only noobs or computer noobs ? because the later ones won't be happy with any wiki
[13:47]	:	it looks like any other blog links...
[13:47]	:	dont get me going on search
[13:47]	:	SLA is too good, it finds it all
[13:47]	:	Jeremy I was wondering if you could put a SLURL in the image for the ad for this meeting on wiki. right now it just tells you the sim name. would be easier if you could just put a slurl in it :)
[13:47]	 	has pinged you.
[13:48]	:	Sure thing, Olive. It's been a few years since I updated that posting :-)
[13:48]	:	cool thanks :)
[13:49]	:	Oh!
[13:49]	:	Huh?
[13:49]	:	There appears to be a SLURL there already. It's the clickable link that says "The 'Doc dock' in Beaumont"
[13:49]	:	hmm I'll go look
[13:49]	:	might be a differant ad then?
[13:50]	:	theres probably a couple differant ones floating around...
[13:50]	:	Maybe. That's the only official listing I know of.
[13:50]	:	No I think your right it just doesn't stand out like the ad image does
[13:50]	:	I'm a bit slow
[13:51]	:	No worries! I'm often bad about posting or using SLurls, myself.
[13:51]	:	Oh
[13:51]	:	another question
[13:51]	:	I have heard this from a few different people
[13:51]	:	All, I am called away, dinner is ready it seems, have a GREAT day!
[13:51]	:	on the Wiki where Torley posted that it might not be correct info
[13:51]	:	um
[13:51]	:	Thanks for coming, Jonit.
[13:51]	:	bon apitit, Jonit
[13:52]	:	in child avatars. It says that child avatars can go on any sim as logn as they don't involve themselves in sexual activity (that's easy enough). But can kids go into clubs as long as the sim owners don't mind?
[13:53]	:	I actually had a guy eject me from his sim, WHILE i WAS WEARING CLOUD HAIR, because he saw my kid-av instead of the white puffy cloud he was supposed to see
[13:53]	:	I can't make any legal rulings, unfortunately. I think that's something that needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis. It would depend on a lot of other factors, some of which I probably wouldn't even think of right now :-)
[13:53]	:	not if its a strip club....
[13:54]	:	if its a strip club or sex club legally in most countries thats child porn
[13:54]	:	He was telling me I had to switch to a non-kid-av form, and I genuinely thought he was talking philiophically and academically on this, because he knew I normally am a kid-av. It wasn't until hours later it dawned on me he wasn't seeing the cloud. oO
[13:54]	:	And no, it wasn't a bloomin strip club
[13:55]	:	yeah theres the debug setting for renderunloadedavatars
[13:55]	:	well see it isn't the idea of being in a strip club that is appealing but wiki says it's okay as logn as kids don't do anything bad but someone else told me they called the 800 number and they said no kids in clubs at all
[13:55]	:	so he saw teh unloaded avatar
[13:55]	:	There are bigots around, Nathan. And there are simply people afraid of any taint too. Such is the world.
[13:56]	:	Well, the guy has issues..... which I think are going to come back to haunt him alter.
[13:56]	:	*later
[13:56]	:	but of course if you are prancing around on an adult sim you probably are taking your chances at ejection
[13:56]	:	youll get differant answers differant places but gteam told me that no child avis in strip/sex clubs or clubs rated adult
[13:56]	:	Anyone here going to SLCC this year?
[13:56]	:	I wish...
[13:56]	:	but i can tell you from a legal standpoint, playing a kid avi on sl is really... a rought idea. and no jeremy i cant get the time off
[13:56]	 	has pinged you.
[13:57]	:	*rough not rough
[13:57]	:	too far away to drive
[13:57]	:	too expensive to fly
[13:57]	:	I think the ball theme this year is "Come as your avatar". I think it's going to be pretty wild.
[13:57]	:	its a two day drive or a 5 hour plane trip.
[13:57]	:	7 hour drive
[13:57]	:	Thing is, this was someone I was hanging with for a year, and he had no problem with me then..... but because someone wanted to pay for 1/4th of his homestead sim, and wanted to have a policy change to allow naked furries at ground level (but NO sexual activities below 2000m)
[13:57]	:	SLCC is across an ocean from me â‰ªâ•â”â•â‰«
[13:57]	:	lol I saw that as a two hour drive or a five day plane trip
[13:57]	:	/me has no excuse. It's a 45 minute drive.
[13:58]	:	and um i dont think i could pull off coming as cummere even if i could.... I dont have the tail for one...
[13:58]	:	nathan then if there were naked avis... yeah cant have a child avi then...
[13:58]	:	And I didn;t know he'd made the change like that because it was one of these never-would-expect-that-in-a-million-years things.
[13:58]	:	that is listed on the sl wiki
[13:59]	:	It mostly bother me that he'd allow a change like that, really, when it's probably 2 or 3 ppl pout of a large groupo pf ppl asking for it, and the rest probably woujldn't have cared or asked for it.... but it meant some ppl coldn't be there.... for what amounts to pure window dressing.
[13:59]	:	nathan
[13:59]	:	lets say a kid avi WAS on that sim and a naked furry was present
[13:59]	:	You have been online for 1 hours.
[14:00]	:	now lets say -i- went to that sim
[14:00]	 	Kitty Head: All Go
[14:00]	:	I could take a pic and then scan ip addresses.
[14:00]	:	toss it off to my boss
[14:00]	:	I mean, why MAKE the change at ground level to let there BE naked furries, when it;s likely ONLY one person wanting it in the first place?
[14:01]	:	probably was more then one nathan
[14:01]	:	Hm. That sounds like more of a social or philosophical problem, unfortunately.
[14:01]	:	[cutting here for transcript. It's 2:00!]
 
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