Open Development User Group/Archive/2011-06-01

13:30 	TheBlack Box  	hi Oz
  	Yuzuru  	Hello Oz.
  	draconis.neurocam  	hello oz
  	Oz Linden  	Hi everyone!
13:31 	  	Forgive me if I'm a little slow today.... it's been a long week already
  	Ju  	hello oz
  	Yuzuru  	Oz, May I write crash report in Japanese? Because Officeal Viewer and snapshot were crushed frequently.
13:32 	Oz Linden  	If you mean can you report a bug that happens when using Japanese, yes.... if you actually write the report in Japanese, that would be a problem for most Lindens
13:33 	Yuzuru  	Thank you.
  	Oz Linden  	Some new faces here today... welcome
13:34 	  	By the way... there is a huge thunderstorm bearing down on me. There's a pretty decent chance I'll loose my connection, my power, or both.... so if I disappear, you'll know why
  	Techwolf Lupindo  	HI Oz. (slow to repond, reading up on thinsgs)
  	Jonathan  	http://images.intellicast.com/WxImages/RadarSummary/hfd.gif
13:35 	  	Oz might end up in the land of Oz
  	Techwolf Lupindo  	I prefer Wondermap. It uses google maps and is interactive.
13:36 	Oz Linden  	http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=42.53617&lon=-71.32038&zoom=10&type=map&units=english&pin=40%%20Laurelwood%%20Dr,%%20Carlisle,%%20MA%%2001741,%%20USA&plat=42.53617&plon=-71.32038&rad=1&rad.num=6&rad.spd=25&rad.opa=50&rad.stm=1&rad.type=N0R&rad.type2=&rad.smo=1&rad.mrg=0&wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=0&hur=0&fire=0&tor=0&ndfd=0&pix=0&dir=0
  	  	indeed
  	Techwolf Lupindo  	Hahaha. :-D
  	Oz Linden  	I've had my cable knocked out 4 times in 3 years by lightning
  	Dɐuʇıɐ Goʇɥןʎ  	oz, maybe this is something that could be looked at.
  	  	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25928
  	Office Orb  	VWR-25928 Client crash's while entering mouse look.
  	Oz Linden  	but they just ran a new cable, and claim that this one is correctly grounded (unlike the old one), so we'll see
13:38 	  	That looks like an interesting one, but we'd need to either get the logs attached or get a specific time, place, and user where it happened (so that we could look in our crash logger for it)
13:39 	Dɐuʇıɐ Goʇɥןʎ  	happens to me at least twice a day, and I'm willing to test
  	Oz Linden  	hang on a moment... I'll look in the crash log
13:41 	  	I can't find any
13:42 	  	which doesn't mean that they are not there; finding a specific crash can be tricky
  	Zi Ree  	kills another rampant SLPlugin process >.<
  	Jonathan  	Here is the agenda, such as it is https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Development_User_Group
13:43 	Oz Linden  	yeah... there are some issues in OPEN
  	  	many seem to be variations on a theme....
  	Jonathan  	oz, reload that page at some point; I added an entry
13:44 	TheBlack Box  	same theme i guess
13:45 	Oz Linden  	Sure... let's talk fmod
  	  	what's the issue?
  	Jonathan  	A few of us just updated the windows build wiki
  	  	and in so doing added instructions for fmod
13:46 	Oz Linden  	got a pointer?
  	Jonathan  	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_2_Microsoft_Windows_Builds#Fmod_method_1_.28using_autobuild.29
  	  	hope that works
  	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks 	it did
  	Jonathan  	The issue is the steps to configure for fmod are a bit complex and have to be repeated for every cloned repo
13:47 	  	basically you have to make a local copy of autobuild.xml and apply the fmod changes to it
  	Oz Linden  	yes, that's true
  	Jonathan  	we are hoping to come up with some automated / scripted system to do most of that
13:48 	  	I was also wondering if you would support using the old way of having 2 switches on the configure command line
  	Oz Linden  	Forgive some of my Win-ignorance....
  	Jonathan  	in that case one would just point to the needed files, which is someting a mac build already supports
  	Oz Linden  	it doesn't seem as though that would be very hard to script
13:49 	  	the cloning and modifying of the autobuild.xml, that is
  	Jonathan  	I will see if I can find someone to come up with a program of some sort
13:50 	Oz Linden  	Ideally something cross-platform?
  	Jonathan  	good idea
  	Oz Linden  	I think that there's a shorter way to do that autobuild installables edit command by just pointing it to the package file
13:51 	  	if not, there should be
  	Jonathan  	if someday you have a bit of time please let us know how to simplify things; the autobuild wiki is sorely lacking
  	Oz Linden  	That documentation is very well done, by the way - kudos to all who contributed to it
13:52 	Jonathan  	It was time for a good rewrite. Now people starting out have a chance
  	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks 	john and boroodas did most of it
  	Oz Linden  	As it happens, I'm going to be talking to people about autobuild today and tomorrow - it will come up
  	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks 	ima and myself did some
  	Oz Linden  	the results are great
  	Jonathan  	Ima had to read the autobuild code to figure out the right command to use
  	  	The autobuild wiki is not very complete
13:53 	Oz Linden  	It should be pretty easy to generalize to cover any of the 3p-* packages....
  	Jonathan  	and has 0 examples :(
  	  	ok, that's enough for this subject I guess
13:54 	Oz Linden  	OPEN-71
  	Office Orb  	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-71
OPEN-71 As an Open Source (OS) developer using windows I want 3p-FMOD library to build and package locally using autobuild.
  	TheBlack Box  	got to go .. sorry .. see you around all
  	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks 	tc black
  	Oz Linden  	I'm not clear what this is asking for....
  	Yuzuru  	see you!
13:55 	Oz Linden  	do we need to document that unzip and curl need to be in your environment?
  	  	(are they not already?)
  	Jonathan  	already documented as of 2 days ago
  	  	Nicky helped a lot too
  	Oz Linden  	so can we close this
  	  	?
  	Jonathan  	yes
13:56 	  	There has been a lot of confusion over what apps had to be loaded to deal with fmod
  	Oz Linden  	ok ... will do after the meeting
  	Jonathan  	we now have a good handle on it
  	Oz Linden  	WOW ... big thunder!!
  	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks 	fun times! ㋡
  	Oz Linden  	open-70
  	Office Orb  	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-70
OPEN-70 Change 3p-ogvorbis/build-cmd.sh to use msbuild.exe parameters.
  	Oz Linden  	so this is an example case that there are probably many of
13:57 	  	some of them are in the build scripts, and I guess those will all have to be dealt with one at a time
13:58 	  	I'll take this one and run it through our build farm to see how it goes....
  	Jonathan  	this was done for viewer-development / autobuild.xml when we first got our hands on it, so it should not be too difficult of an issue to deal with
13:59 	Oz Linden  	The really interesting question is whether or not we can establish a pattern for these that works both inside and outside LL
  	  	using the same commands, I mean
  	  	the viewer itself needs to be different because of the proprietary changes, but the 3p- libs should be the same
14:00 	Jonathan  	I think it only means replacing devenv.com with msbuild.exe and making associated changes
  	Oz Linden  	I'm not sure how I check whether or not that will affect incredibuild, but I know who to ask....
  	  	I'll use this one as a test case.
14:01 	Jonathan  	Worst case is what was done for OS pepole to use autobuild has to be replicated for the 3p items
14:02 	  	Nicky is the expert on those changes; I think LL still uses devenv
  	Oz Linden  	and open-69
  	Office Orb  	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-69
OPEN-69 Change autobuild to use msbuild.exe
14:03 	Oz Linden  	the diff does not seem to account for cases in which the 'proj' is not set, which the origninal does.... will have to find out why that is there in the old code
14:04 	  	testing that in the build farm will be a little trickier... I'll have to get some help on that one
14:05 	  	open-68 (the global issue) I'll leave alone until I've done those other tests
  	Office Orb  	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-68
OPEN-68 Convert autobuild library builds to use msbuild.exe instead of devenv.com. Then, convert all 3p-lib's build-cmd.sh to have the correct parameter call alignment for msbuild.exe.
14:07 	Oz Linden  	open-67
  	Office Orb  	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-67
OPEN-67 LLDirIterator implementation incompatible to boost::filesystem v3 (as found in Boost 1.44 and newer)
14:08 	Oz Linden  	If we're going to take this on, we should probably also investigate upgrading to a more recent boost at the same time
  	  	don't want to get too far behind, anyway
14:09 	  	open-65
  	Office Orb  	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-65
OPEN-65 autobuild build for 3p-ogvorbis defaults to vs2005 even though configured under a vs2010 express shell
  	Techwolf Lupindo  	Don't forget to add #ifdef to prevent breaking standalone builds with 1.39 though 1.46
14:11 	Oz Linden  	I have to suspect that open-65 is a local environment problem
  	Jonathan  	read the last comment
  	  	it is a devenv issue again
14:12 	Oz Linden  	but that doesn't have anything to do with VS versions, does it?
  	Jonathan  	no, that issue was resolved (see 1st comment) but...there is a good point there to change the xml file to default to vs2010
14:13 	Oz Linden  	yes, that's true
14:16 	  	which exhausts our triage before the worst part of the storm reaches me !
  	  	other topics for our remaining time?
  	Techwolf Lupindo  	builds up a static charge with his fur...
14:17 	Jonathan  	just saw a lightning flash
14:18 	draconis.neurocam  	is the latest merge going to get pushed to the build servers today?
14:19 	Oz Linden  	sorry... which latest merge?
  	draconis.neurocam  	commit 18659
61ccb97fb4dd
  	Jonathan  	doesn't every commit result in a teamcity build?
  	draconis.neurocam  	the one from 9 hours ago
14:20 	  	yes, but it hasnt happened yet, i was just wondering
  	Oz Linden  	oh, yes ... every group of commits within some small time window triggers a build
14:21 	  	most recent build appears to have finished about a half hour ago....
  	draconis.neurocam  	http://automated-builds-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/hg/repo/snowstorm_viewer-development/latest.html doesnt point to it
14:22 	Oz Linden  	it did for me...
  	draconis.neurocam  	must be my dns
  	  	weird
14:23 	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks 	Completed: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:09:10 PM (1306984150)
  	Oz Linden  	or some overly-aggressive cache?
  	draconis.neurocam  	thats possible, sorry for pointing it out, since its a problem on my end
14:24 	Oz Linden  	where is it getting that time, I wonder?
  	  	no apology needed... if it were not working, I'd have needed to know, and it's not unheard of
  	draconis.neurocam  	yeah clearing browser cache fixed it
14:25 	Yuzuru  	It is the local time.
  	Oz Linden  	I have that problem regularly with some of our internal stats tools
  	  	it's not giving me my local time
14:26 	  	it's 6 hours east of me
  	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks 	its not my time either
  	  	universal time?
  	Yuzuru  	really! It is PDT.
  	Oz Linden  	no... I'm only -4 ... a puzzlement
14:27 	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks 	im PDT
  	Yuzuru  	Here is +9
  	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks 	its 2:30PM here
  	  	on jin 1st
  	Oz Linden  	as long as the clock only runs forwards :-)
  	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks 	june*
  	  	true ㋡
14:28 	Ju  	Completed: jeudi 2 juin 2011 05:09:10 (1306984150
  	  	that one completed... tomorrow for me >_<
  	Oz Linden  	I'll have to stop on time today folks... I've got a training session to go to.
  	draconis.neurocam  	take care oz
  	Yuzuru  	Completed: 2011年6月2日 12:09:10 (1306984150)
  	Oz Linden  	see you all soon
  	Ju  	bye oz
14:29 	Yuzuru  	See you!
  	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks 	tc Oz
14:30 	  	and hope you servive the storm ㋡