Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2011-10-27

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on October 27th, 2011
== Agenda ==
* Welcome to the Server Beta User Group
=== Updates ===
* Doing good research
** https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7140
* "Second Life Server Channel"
** This is the "Updated EM Tools" update project from LeTigre and BlueSteel
** The release seems to have gone fine.
** Anyone using the new LSL for tools?
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/11#11.10.18.243270
* BlueSteel RC Channel
** This is the "Refactored Voice Code" project.
** Both this channel and LeTigre contain the same code.
** bug fixes
*** Fixed syntax errors
*** Fix voice failure due to missing line in merge . voice channel info was not properly being set, hence it wasn't being passed back to the viewer
*** Fixed some private parcel voice issues
**** Voice dot disappears on entering a private spatial parcel
*** Fixed some calls to the vivox API
* https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/11#11.10.21.243647
* LeTigre RC Channel
** Same as BlueSteel
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/11#11.10.21.243647
* Magnum RC Channel
** This has the same maint-server with lots of bug fixes.
** Bug Fixes:
*** Collision detection does not work for some chilren of linked prim set
*** remove automatic logout of agents that have been Away too long
*** Phantom, unremovable prims
*** 'excessive instant message' throttle kicks in when it shouldn't
*** State changes considerably slower under Mono-LSL than LSO-LSL
*** "X-SecondLife-Owner-Name" sometimes set to '(waiting)' instead of ownername
*** llRemoteLoadScriptPin() fails to add O:VMCT script to O:PERM_ALL atchmnt
*** The simulator is too strict when llGiveInventory() adds restricted-permission items to fullperm attachments which already contained other restricted-permission items
*** Performance issues on LeTigre 11.09.23.241511 (and Main Channel)
*** llCastRay() returns RCERR_CAST_TIME_EXCEEDED on small parcels.
*** Fixed various server crash modes.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/11#11.10.21.243634
=== Upcoming Stuff ===
* Fix from Andrew for : "Temp on Rezzed objects get queued"
** extra "feedback" which adds extra "sleep" to scripts for each llRezObject() when the physics engine is suffering
** where "suffering" means that it is actively changing LOD of object shapes, or is "quarantining" objects (pinning in place temporarily)
** test is to build a lag-generator in one corner of a region (to get sim FPS < 25 because of physics) and then test their machine gun in the opposite corner -- their machine gun should slow down by a factor of 5
** Code in DRTSIM-107 regions on ADITI.
=== Interesting Stuff ===
* New UI work in the latest beta viewer
** http://secondlife.com/support/downloads/?lang=en-US
=== Transcript ===
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for October 27th, 2011:
* [14:58] RedMokum Bravin: Hail Grimlord! :-)
* [14:59] Sahkolihaa ContepomiSahkolihaa Contepomi spies Oskar.
* [14:59] Coyot LindenCoyot Linden reaches for the flyswatter and looks at FLIP
* [14:59] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey oskar
* [14:59] Marigold Devin: Heyup Oskar !
* [14:59] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey falcon
* [15:00] RedMokum BravinRedMokum Bravin derenders two pairs of wings
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: hello to you all! :-)
* [15:00] Motor Loon: ey Oskar
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: Happy Thursday Before Halloween
* [15:00] Coyot LindenCoyot Linden changes his name to Sam Hain
* [15:00] Lares Carter: heya :)
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: marigold did you kitty move?
* [15:01] Marigold Devin: Did kitty move - yes
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: i sweat he's closer every meeting
* [15:01] Marigold Devin: Ohhh - different kitty
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: swear
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: how many do you have?
* [15:01] Marigold Devin: I can put him on your feet. 4 or 5
* [15:01] Coyot Linden: finitely many
* [15:01] Marigold Devin: I seem to have lost a ginger one
* [15:01] Fancy Greeter: Maestro Linden has arrived!
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: I say kitties for everyone!
* [15:01] RedMokum Bravin: Maestro, music!
* [15:01] Marigold Devin: Yesss I'll dig them out
* [15:01] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey maestro
* [15:02] Maestro Linden: hi guys
* [15:02] !CN BIOEX VALUE AO: 546 Bytes free for memory...
* [15:02] Lares Carter: heya Maestro
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: rez one for me near my throne if you don't mind marigold :-)
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: pretty please
* [15:02] Vincent Nacon: so what's the news for today?
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: right between me and homeless
* [15:03] Marigold Devin: trying, vanishing into the ether!
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: let me get the agenda url
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: thank you all so much for attending
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:03] Homeless: Oskar's first item - become the grim reaper
* [15:03] Moundsa Mayo: Vincent, "Sun explodes, details in 8 minutes."
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: after the meeting punch and cookies will be provided
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: by coyot
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: perfect. thanks marigold
* [15:04] Coyot Linden: Sun didn't explode, it imploded. And then it was bought by Oracle
* [15:04] RedMokum Bravin: :-)
* [15:04] WolfPup Lowenhar: flip you know if you trun off your ao you will disapear in to the ground rigt
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: nice
* [15:04] Moundsa Mayo: Ah, tax loss - black hole?
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: what?
* [15:04] Fancy Greeter: Maestro Tester has arrived!
* [15:04] Rex Cronon: hello everybody
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: alright. let's get this meeting started
* [15:05] Flip Idlemind: Yes I do, which is why I'm leaving my AO on
* [15:05] Flip Idlemind: Gyahahhah ooooh
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: here is the agenda link once again
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
* [15:05] Moundsa Mayo: Ut-oh, we're being doppel-ganged!
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: first thing I wanted to talk about was https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7140
* [15:05] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7140] Scripted HTTP Requests to some URLs fail on some regions https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7140
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: this is an example of goo dinvestigation work narrowing down the source of a troublesome bug
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: turns out that the bug wasn't in our simulator but in the routing table of an external hosting company
* [15:06] Coyot Linden: We asked the ISP if they had turned their router off and then on again. :)
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: maestro and ops did some good analysis work and got it figured out
* [15:06] Marigold Devin: nice result!
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: anytime we can get info that is more than "my scripts are brok you fix it" it helps tremendously
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: moving into updates
* [15:07] Rex Cronon: AFK...............................
* [15:07] Rex Cronon: afk
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: main channel got rolled this week with the updated EM Tools project stuff
* [15:08] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: :o
* [15:08] lonetorus Habilis: EM?
* [15:08] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Estate manager.
* [15:08] Coyot Linden: Estate Mgmt
* [15:08] WolfPup Lowenhar: Estate Management
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: there's more in there that will become apparent in the next few weeks tied some upcoming projects that aren't public yet
* [15:08] Homeless: Empty Message
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: once they are then I can dive into some of the details a little bit more
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: it's good stuff and I can't wait to talk about it
* [15:09] Flip Idlemind: I haven't done extensive testing or anything, but...I'm an estate manager from for a main channel region, and I can't see the allowed residents list in the region / estate floater. I can add to it...but I can't actually see the list ◯.(⁐)
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: the enhanced EM tools were an extension of some other work
* [15:09] Flip Idlemind: Could be related
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: hmm
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: that's interesting
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: anyone else seeing or not seeing that?
* [15:09] Jonathan Yap: seeing what
* [15:10] Gooden Uggla: isn't that in a project EM viewer?
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: what flip is seeing
* [15:10] Flip Idlemind: One of the other estate managers can't see it either. Yet, another one of the estate managers can see it fine
* [15:10] Motor Loon: Could we please have a permission popup (like when objects asks for rights to handle your money) for the EM commands?
* [15:10] Moundsa Mayo: Hmmm. Maestro Tester just appeared looking like an NPC, possibly checking the routefinding. Might be that stuff.
* [15:10] Gooden Uggla: allowed residents can be seen by the owner
* [15:10] Motor Loon: it's potential a security hole for greifers to gain access to banned areas
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: how is that?
* [15:11] Motor Loon: how is it a problem?
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: what is the security hole?
* [15:12] WolfPup Lowenhar: if they can not get in to a region they are band from they defant;y would not have estate management rights there
* [15:12] Jonathan Yap: Flip, can you vpn your connection to see if coming from another part of the internet helps see that list?
* [15:12] Motor Loon: Ok, you are an EM in a large estate... one day a person gives you an object... check out this new chair I made... you're welcome to use it on your sim... you rez it ... its a very nice chair... you like it.. so you leave it on the sim... no big deal... what you dont know is that the guy put a backdoor into the chair... that now allows him to add or remove to the estate banlist.... impossible senario... I think not
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: i see
* [15:12] Motor Loon: and you'll never figure out how he does it
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: that's interesting
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: have you verified that works?
* [15:13] Motor Loon: no, any reason why it should not?
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: if you create a proof of concept and verify it file a SEC- jira and I'll pass it along
* [15:13] Motor Loon: a scripted object that the EM now owns... why shouldn't it be able to with the current setup
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: i see what you mean
* [15:14] Gooden Uggla: actually oskar, that would probably work
* [15:14] Motor Loon: ok, I'll run a SEC jira on it
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: thanks Motor
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: way to think like a black hat ;-)
* [15:14] Coyot Linden: What Motor is describing is just the SL variant of the classic Trojan Horse attack.
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: right
* [15:14] Moundsa Mayo: Might need a special notification to EM that rezzed object containes EM functionality.
* [15:14] Motor Loon: except much easier to perform
* [15:14] Coyot Linden: naw
* [15:14] WolfPup Lowenhar: motor loon the 'creator' would have to know the new rezd uuis inorder to send it emails or some thing
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: but one we should be able to put a notification in for
* [15:14] Coyot Linden: I send you an attachment in email
* [15:15] Coyot Linden: you open it
* [15:15] Coyot Linden: *boom*
* [15:15] Moundsa Mayo: It could send OUT when rezzed reporting that.
* [15:15] Moundsa Mayo: Or be listening for rEGIONsAYtO
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: moving along.
* [15:15] Motor Loon: many way to do it
* [15:15] Jonathan Yap: Moundsa, that won't work, as objects can be set to receive new scripts from other sources
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: BlueSteel and LeTigre again have a combo project
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: or I mean they both have the same code
* [15:16] Moundsa Mayo: Huh? Whay won't work?
* [15:16] lonetorus Habilis: what are the actual function names of these EM tools?
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: it's in the release notes lonetorus
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/11#11.10.18.243270
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: all the info u need
* [15:16] Motor Loon: Dont get me wrong, I LOOOVE that you gave us these features... just want them secure °͜°
* [15:16] Coyot Linden: and then some
* [15:16] arton Rotaru: llStayAwayFromMyEstate(BAD_ASS)
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: the refactored voice code is on both BlueSteel and LeTigre
* [15:16] Coyot Linden: haha
* [15:17] Marigold Devin: LOLs at arton
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: but not really much there to talk about
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: some buf fixes and cleaned up code
* [15:17] Coyot Linden: cna you hear me now?
* [15:17] Talia Malaspina: llGetOffMyLawn()
* [15:17] Moundsa Mayo: Jonathan: i give you Trojan. You rez. It emails me: I'm here now, just got this URL, use me ...
* [15:17] lonetorus Habilis: buf fixes? ;)
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: it would be worth watching out for voice related issues while on LT or BS regions
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: s/buf/bug/g
* [15:18] arton Rotaru: never used voice
* [15:18] Coyot Linden: WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: I have heard some people use it
* [15:18] arton Rotaru: :p
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: mostly it's used as a gender verifier
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: :-D
* [15:18] Jonathan Yap: Moundsa,the trojan could receive a EM script much later in its lifetime, plus security via email is not very secure
* [15:18] Coyot Linden: /o\
* [15:18] Moundsa Mayo: And a Voice Morphing tester.
* [15:18] RedMokum Bravin: :-)
* [15:18] lonetorus Habilis: oskar, and thats why ll sells voice morph as a service?
* [15:18] lonetorus Habilis: ;)
* [15:19] RedMokum Bravin: voice morph keeps the myth alive
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: some of those voice morph packs are fun
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: :-D
* [15:19] lonetorus Habilis: i wonder how many ppl use that, aswella s the avaline phone service
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: I really am a 15yo valley girl
* [15:19] Moundsa Mayo: RemoteLoadScriptPIN requires that source of script be owner of target.
* [15:19] Gooden Uggla: who works for the circus?
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: only maestro and coyot know my rl voice
* [15:20] Coyot Linden: In real life, no one knows I am really a coyotl
* [15:20] Gooden Uggla: explains the braids :)
* [15:20] Coyot Linden: haha!!!
* [15:20] TankMaster FinesmithTankMaster Finesmith recalls seeing oskar's beard :P
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: I was sold to science as a kid for medical research
* [15:20] Talia Malaspina: In SL nobody can hear you scream, unless the parcel has voice enabled.
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: side effect was enhanced facial hair growth
* [15:21] arton Rotaru: lol
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: my beard is visible from space
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: true story
* [15:21] Marigold Devin: glow in the dark?
* [15:21] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
* [15:21] Talia Malaspina: Is that what that is??
* [15:21] Gooden Uggla: so the 2 employment choices were the circus or SL...
* [15:21] Gooden Uggla: makes sense
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: more or less
* [15:22] Homeless: either way you ended up in a circus
* [15:22] Oskar LindenOskar Linden once won a stupid human tricks contest by lifting a heavy briefcase with his beard
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: true story
* [15:22] Gooden Uggla: awesome!
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: :-p
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: haha
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: alright alright back on track
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: Magnum
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: Magnum has more of the same
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: and will probably get the promotion next week
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: all sorts of good bug fixes in there
* [15:23] Flip Idlemind: Those are always good
* [15:23] Flip Idlemind: I mean, by definition
* [15:23] arton Rotaru: pls fix SCR-225
* [15:23] Flame of Jira: [#SCR-225] ERROR: Failed to set physics shape type https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-225
* [15:23] Vincent Nacon: even vehicle's banking?
* [15:23] arton Rotaru: banking looks good now vincent
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: I am also happy to announce that the company is planning on focusing on 'quality' for the next few quarters
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: instead of fancy new features
* [15:23] Homeless: nice!
* [15:24] Flip Idlemind: Fancy new quality
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: like llAirDropPenguin that will air drop you a pengiun anywhere in the world
* [15:24] WolfPup Lowenhar: -*@ ROFL @*- flip
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: llAirDropPenguin is taking a back burner
* [15:24] RedMokum Bravin: Ouch! that staff you used to carry
* [15:24] Motor Loon: Oskar. Tojanhorse issue ;--) https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SEC-977
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: once the increased focus on quality is more defined I will pass that info on to you
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: thanks motor!
* [15:25] Coyot Linden: I thought it was llDropKickPenguin
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: that comes in q4
* [15:25] RedMokum Bravin: I would love to see unfinished continents finished.
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: you have to have penguins first
* [15:25] Coyot Linden: PENGO!
* [15:25] Homeless: the penguin on TV?
* [15:25] Coyot Linden: lol
* [15:25] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Tux?
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: maestro you wanted to talk about the upcoming physics stuff?
* [15:25] Gooden Uggla: is that going to include Qarl's mesh project?
* [15:26] Gooden Uggla: the "quality" thing
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: not sure what is all included
* [15:26] Gooden Uggla: making worn mesh fit the avatar
* [15:27] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina blows kissies. Bye all. I have to go to the ophthalmologist.
* [15:27] Vincent Nacon: has he provided a method yet?
* [15:27] Gooden Uggla: anyways, you were saying?
* [15:27] arton Rotaru: llAirDropPenguinPhysical()
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: that would probably fall under new products and not quality of existing services
* [15:27] Maestro Linden: Oh, so the upcoming physics stuff
* [15:27] Maestro Linden: it shouldn't break much.
* [15:27] Marigold Devin: Bye, Talia, hope your eyes look good
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: cya talia!
* [15:27] Talia Malaspina: llDoPhysicsStuff(TRUE)
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: hanks for dancing to my meeting again
* [15:27] Maestro Linden: but who knows, we didn't forsee arton's vehicle banking bug
* [15:27] Talia Malaspina: Wheeeeeee!!
* [15:27] Maestro Linden: which, as it turned out, was a compiler bug
* [15:28] Gooden UgglaGooden Uggla digs babes with glasses, tats and scars
* [15:28] arton Rotaru: oops
* [15:28] Maestro Linden: we upgraded to a newer version of gcc for the havok libraries, which solved the problem
* [15:28] Maestro Linden: but who knows, there could be other bugs out there
* [15:29] Maestro Linden: and that physics branch still has llSetKeyframedMotion(), which is more or less ready
* [15:29] Maestro Linden: you can still find it on the 'DRTSIM-105' channel on Aditi
* [15:29] Vincent Nacon: Do you think I could bug you with this, Maestro? SVC-7372
* [15:29] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7372] Raise limit for VEHICLE_ANGULAR_MOTOR_DIRECTION https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7372
* [15:29] Maestro Linden: in regions like Kapor
* [15:29] Maestro Linden: It might be better to bug Falcon about that, Vincent
* [15:30] Vincent Nacon: a man who rarely comes up
* [15:31] Moundsa Mayo: Maestro, this is a ghost of Jiras past B^D V
* [15:31] Vincent Nacon: It was actually more of Andrew's work than Falcon since these are old vehicle system
* [15:31] Moundsa Mayo: SVC-6255
* [15:31] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-6255] llVolumeDetect issues single or multiple collision_start and collision_end events for linked object depending on link spacing during passage through volume https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6255
* [15:32] arton Rotaru: = Falcon, pls make new vehicle api^^
* [15:33] Vincent Nacon: that'll have to come later, Arton
* [15:33] Vincent Nacon: it's a big project
* [15:33] Maestro Linden: Vincent: I asked Andrew about SVC-7372. He's worried that if we make the change, it will break vehicles which rely on the clamping for their current behavior
* [15:33] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7372] Raise limit for VEHICLE_ANGULAR_MOTOR_DIRECTION https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7372
* [15:33] arton Rotaru: the sooner the better imho
* [15:33] Vincent Nacon: of course but later...
* [15:33] Maestro Linden: kind of like how increasing the vehicular speed limit in Havok4 made certain vehicles go really really fast
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: so if we don't see ay huge bugs that will hold us back the new physics stuff gets an RC slot next week right Maestro?
* [15:34] Vincent Nacon: oh I knew the risk, I offered my time to do testing
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: Yeah, that's the plan, Oskar.
* [15:34] Coyot Linden: hmm
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: cool
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: Vincent: could you send him a copy of yur vehicle, so he can see what you're after?
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: there is some stuff andrew wanted me to talk about in the drtsim-107 regions
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: there is a fix for SVC-5927
* [15:35] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-5927] Temp on Rezzed objects get queued https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5927
* [15:35] Vincent Nacon: could but not a good idea when it come to my code work
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: this fix contains extra "feedback" which adds extra "sleep" to scripts for each llRezObject() when the physics engine is suffering
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: where "suffering" means that it is actively changing LOD of object shapes, or is "quarantining" objects (pinning in place temporarily)
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: test is to build a lag-generator in one corner of a region (to get sim FPS < 25 because of physics) and then test their machine gun in the opposite corner -- their machine gun should slow down by a factor of 5
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: -- Andrew Linden 2011
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: any insight into that Maestro?
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: um, it's really hard to test on Aditi, without having an army doing battle
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: I say we ship it then
* [15:37] Vincent Nacon: host one in advance
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: we won't really be sure that it works until it's been out on Agni, I reckon
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!
* [15:37] arton Rotaru: sounds like combat like in slomo like in The Matrix movies^^
* [15:37] Coyot Linden: why don't we have a battle during the next Beta OH?
* [15:37] Gooden UgglaGooden Uggla *swats* Oskar
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: Andrew hosted one event earlier, and the combatants seemed happy. But there were some additional code tweaks yesterday..
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: we could do that Coyot, but whenever we've tried to replicate AGNI lag on ADITI especially for combat we fail
* [15:38] Homeless: I have no gunzzzz....
* [15:38] Vincent NaconVincent Nacon filed a AP
* [15:38] Vincent Nacon: AR*
* [15:38] Gooden Uggla: you have a beta group in agni with thousands of people, you can't arrange a war game test?
* [15:38] Marigold Devin: Yesssss we can do this in Agni, always loads of Beta testers online
* [15:38] Gooden Uggla: Hint: make it a linden snowball fight and hundreds will come
* [15:39] Coyot Linden: wfm
* [15:39] Vincent Nacon: best to host one in advance by few days
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: we've arranged them before it just never acts the same as agni
* [15:39] Fancy Greeter: Kelly Linden has arrived!
* [15:39] Gooden Uggla: thebn make a new snack channel with 4 sims on it and host the damned thing there
* [15:39] Coyot Linden: shh, everyone stop talking about Kelly
* [15:39] Vincent Nacon: or tell people that you're giving out prizes for each target killed?
* [15:39] Coyot Linden: ;)
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: welcome Kelly
* [15:40] Moundsa Mayo: Or switch to saying GOOD things about him ...
* [15:40] Homeless: or use the RC sandboxes?
* [15:40] WolfPup Lowenhar: i have an M4A4 rifle to help ouy with testing plus my achient golden dragon av that has masive physics being aplied to it
* [15:40] Marigold Devin: Just being able to shoot at things without being ARd would be fun
* [15:40] Maestro Linden: so aside from that bugfix, the maint-server that's going to enter RC also has fxies for
* [15:40] Maestro Linden: SVC-7360 Driving a vehicle over into a full region gives strange error message: You can't enter this region because the sebehavior is full
SVC-7379 For group notices groupID is being sent in the AgentID field
SVC-7343 llMinEventDelay Bug
SVC-7354 Simulator fails to load notecard asset (Intan won't read config card)
* [15:40] Vincent Nacon: and then rewards them with your bears
* [15:40] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7360] Driving a vehicle over into a full region gives strange error message: You can't enter this region because the sebehavior is full https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7360
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: any news for the fine folk here at my usergroup?
* [15:40] Gooden Uggla: i'd like to point out that snowball fights with the possibility of smacking a linden draws thousands to each instance
* [15:40] Kelly Linden: Hrm? From me? No, not this week.
* [15:40] Gooden Uggla: every year
* [15:41] Gooden Uggla: so... have a beta group snoiwball fight
* [15:41] Gooden Uggla: hi kelly
* [15:41] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey kelly
* [15:42] Jonathan Yap: Maestro, I hope you back out svc-7379 before it goes to agni
* [15:42] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7379] For group notices groupID is being sent in the AgentID field https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7379
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: Coyot had some things to talk about with regards to the TIMEWARP fixes and lag
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: Coyot
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: take it away sir
* [15:43] Coyot Linden: k
* [15:43] Coyot Linden: thanks
* [15:43] Maestro Linden: I don't know, the fix exposes a bug in 1.23, which is ancient by now
* [15:43] Coyot Linden: So, all of the simhosts
* [15:43] Coyot Linden: have been reimaged with the new kernel
* [15:44] Coyot Linden: And by all evidence from the logs
* [15:44] Maestro Linden: viewer bug -> fix version = 3.1.0
* [15:44] Coyot Linden: the TIMEWARP problem is fixed!
* [15:44] Flip Idlemind: Wooooo
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: Good riddacen TIMEWARP. Long live the new TIMEWARP
* [15:44] Coyot Linden: Now, that does NOT mean that all sources of lag are fixed
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: I mean..
* [15:44] Gooden Uggla: good job coyot
* [15:44] Vincent Nacon: great... now I missed it
* [15:44] arton Rotaru: let's make a jump to the left
* [15:44] Coyot Linden: but the TIMEWARP cause is done
* [15:44] Coyot Linden: for
* [15:45] Coyot Linden: thanks, Gooden, but lots of Lindens worked really hard on this
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: the issue formerly known as TIMEWARP has been solved
* [15:45] Gooden Uggla: pass it along
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: this has been a huge issue for more than a year
* [15:45] Moundsa Mayo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHONx9vTtI
* [15:45] Coyot Linden: Especially Ops people that you will probably not meet
* [15:45] Coyot Linden: will do
* [15:45] arton Rotaru: ^^
* [15:45] Gooden Uggla: they see my tickets :)
* [15:45] Gooden Uggla: i'll add a note
* [15:45] Motor Loon: Excellent stuff
* [15:46] Coyot Linden: Anyway, there was a fair bit of continuing action on the TIMEWARP JIRA
* [15:46] Coyot Linden: where lag sources not related to that problem were being brought up
* [15:46] Coyot Linden: sometimes not so civilly
* [15:46] Motor Loon: The massive simcrossing issues last week seemed to get solved as the regions did the rollingrestarts too
* [15:46] Coyot Linden: So a small plea: file new JIRAs for different issues
* [15:47] Coyot Linden: Thanks, Oskar, that's it.
* [15:47] Marigold Devin: there were still loads of complaints about sim crossings on the blake seas SVC-472
* [15:47] Motor LoonMotor Loon really thinks non-civil comments on jira should simply be deleted as spam
* [15:47] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-472] Region Crossings Fail https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-472
* [15:47] WolfPup Lowenhar: < is to busy mainly dealing wiht viewer issues to worry much about sim issues
* [15:47] Flip Idlemind: So...I filed this: SVC-7404 ...But I have limited information. For example, I don't have an extremely solid definition for "banned"
* [15:47] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7404] Display Name Lookups Fail for Banned Accounts https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7404
* [15:48] Coyot Linden: +1 motor
* [15:48] Motor Loon: °͜°
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: cool
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: 11 minutes left
* [15:49] Flip Idlemind: My thing ^
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: let's play bobbing for maestro's
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: someone rez a huge tub of water
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: maestro pop off your head
* [15:49] arton Rotaru: SCR-225 this one prvents new stuff from being released
* [15:49] Flame of Jira: [#SCR-225] ERROR: Failed to set physics shape type https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-225
* [15:49] Motor Loon: omg... that sounds like a really naughty thang
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: maestro has been waiting all meeting to do his headless avatar
* [15:50] Marigold Devin: I sometimes wonder what you guys are smoking !
* [15:50] Motor Loon: 225 not fixed yet?
* [15:50] arton Rotaru: not that I'm aware of motor
* [15:50] Motor LoonMotor Loon puts on serious eyebrows
* [15:50] arton Rotaru: no assignee
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: hmm
* [15:51] arton Rotaru: probably people are releasing stuff, without knowing about the bug
* [15:51] arton Rotaru: because it never happens on your own creations
* [15:51] arton Rotaru: have to test with an alt
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: maestro can you get SCR-225 assigned out
* [15:52] Marigold Devin: Maestro seems to be bleeding to death
* [15:52] Marigold DevinMarigold Devin looks around for Alice Cooper
* [15:52] Motor Loon: gotta be an easy fix
* [15:52] Vincent Nacon: need a way to get a list of banneds from EM
* [15:52] arton Rotaru: motor, probably to easy, so noone wants to do ot^^
* [15:52] arton Rotaru: it*
* [15:53] arton Rotaru: aahh that easy fix can do someone else *
* [15:53] arton Rotaru: .p
* [15:53] Motor Loon: I'll fix it then.....
* [15:53] Motor LoonMotor Loon looks for his hammer
* [15:53] arton Rotaru: pls do
* [15:53] arton Rotaru: I don't care who will do it^^
* [15:53] Coyot Linden: If I had a hammer..
* [15:54] arton Rotaru: hammer in the morning
* [15:54] Motor Loon: A strong hammer can fix anything
* [15:54] Coyot Linden: bingo!
* [15:54] arton Rotaru: yeah
* [15:54] Object: Hello, Avatar!
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: a strong fix can hammer anything
* [15:54] Coyot Linden: Hello, Nurse!
* [15:54] lonetorus Habilis: no to get duplicate jiras, i filed a SEC jira for the estate manager trojan
* [15:54] Motor Loon: yeah... apples .. oranges...
* [15:54] Gooden UgglaGooden Uggla prefers the "large Mallet" approach
* [15:54] arton Rotaru: Maestro need such a hammer
* [15:54] Coyot Linden: "clue-by-four"
* [15:55] arton Rotaru: before he is completely broken
* [15:55] Homeless: pile drivers work much better
* [15:55] lonetorus Habilis: vincent, why do you want a list of already banned ppl, just set it up to unban everyone on your frinds list (for extra points make it get the anmes/keys from a external web site
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: well that is about all I have for today
* [15:56] Vincent Nacon: so we could make a better ban system?
* [15:56] Flip Idlemind: So...SVC-7404?
* [15:56] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7404] Display Name Lookups Fail for Banned Accounts https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7404
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: I say we use the next 4 minutes for a dance party
* [15:56] Vincent Nacon: like... when the sim is full, gotta remove someone
* [15:56] arton Rotaru: the timewarp dance
* [15:56] Coyot Linden: for i in (select * from user); ban i; done;
* [15:56] Vincent Nacon: but who?
* [15:56] Marigold Devin: You start then Oskar
* [15:56] arton Rotaru: the one with less money
* [15:57] arton Rotaru: the least money
* [15:57] Vincent Nacon: with a list, you could track them with timer for who has been banned the longest
* [15:57] lonetorus Habilis: last question, how does the EM function handle a full ban list?
* [15:57] lonetorus Habilis: just returns false?
* [15:57] arton Rotaru: or how would you english people phrase that?
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: we need some music
* [15:57] Vincent Nacon: also... other managers may ban someone manually... the script need to stay on updated with that list
* [15:57] Coyot LindenCoyot Linden is listening to pandora
* [15:57] arton Rotaru: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHONx9vTtI
* [15:57] Motor LoonMotor Loon starts singing
* [15:57] Maestro Linden: Ionetorus: in that case it returns true (because it could access the db), which sadly doesn't indicate that the extra ban failed
* [15:58] Maestro Linden: which is useless from a user's perspective, really, although the object owner gets a notice from the server that the estate banlist is full
* [15:58] lonetorus Habilis: maestro, ok, perhaps that should be added as a caveat to the wiki?
* [15:58] lonetorus Habilis: ahh ok
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: i hope you all have a very scary halloween
* [15:59] Coyot Linden: BOO
* [15:59] Marigold Devin: undoubtedly
* [15:59] Vincent Nacon: to be honest, I was surprised a function for getting a list wasn't even added with ADD and REMOVE functions
* [15:59] WolfPup Lowenhar: ill be here somewhere in sl
* [15:59] TankMaster Finesmith: go n scare dem children! :P
* [15:59] Maestro Linden: yeah I agreee that it qualifies as a 'caveat' at least
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: if you wake up Monday morning and your avatar has been overwritten with maestro's avatar BOO!
* [15:59] Marigold Devin: that'll be better than "missing image" !
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: we're making maestro sick
* [16:00] lonetorus Habilis: oskar, or all items in my inv replaced by plain plywood cubes
* [16:00] lonetorus Habilis: that would scare me
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: alright everyone
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: thanks for coming
* [16:00] Coyot Linden: we stopped having trick or treaters
* [16:00] Vincent Nacon: later all
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: have a great weekend
* [16:00] Coyot Linden: after I started answering the door
* [16:00] arton Rotaru: fun meeting, thx oscar
* [16:00] Coyot Linden: with a shotgun
* [16:00] Coyot Linden: :P
* [16:00] arton Rotaru: oskar*
* [16:00] arton Rotaru: sorry^^
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: may all your prims rez and regions lag less
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: ^_^
* [16:01] Marigold Devin: Bedtime for Marigold.
* [16:01] Coyot Linden: Isn't OSCAR a race?
* [16:01] Marigold Devin: Ni-night everyone. Have fun or whatever ;-))
* [16:01] arton Rotaru: yeah 1 AM im germany
* [16:01] Coyot Linden: wow
* [16:01] Coyot Linden: only 1601 here
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: l8r)
* [16:01] lonetorus Habilis: wow, did you see that OSCAR over there, it sure does have sharp teeth?
* [16:01] arton Rotaru: yup
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: osKar
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: K
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: Oskar with a K
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: :-p
* [16:01] TankMaster Finesmith: 16:02 here also
* [16:01] lonetorus Habilis: yaw yaw :P
* [16:02] Flip IdlemindFlip Idlemind throws in one more reference to SVC-7404
* [16:02] WolfPup LowenharWolfPup Lowenhar < gose back to trying to learn CMake scripting on his own :'(
* [16:02] Coyot Linden: haha