Community Tools User Group/01-September-2011

==Attendees List==
*Adamburp Adamczyk (adamburp.adamczyk)
*Jeremy Linden (jeremy.linden)
*Liisa Runo (liisa.runo)
*Marianne McCann (marianne.mccann)
*oobscure (opensource.obscure)
*Peewee Musytari (peewee.musytari)
*Rand (rand.linden)
*Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)
*Storm Clarence (storm.clarence)
*Torben (torben.trautman)
*Venus Petrov (venus.petrov)
*Vincent Nacon (vincent.nacon)
==Transcript for Thursday September 1, 2011==
[12:58]	Peewee Musytari 	is jeremy 	
[12:58]	Peewee Musytari 	\o/ "YAYYYY!!!" 	
[12:58]	Peewee Musytari 	 	
[12:58]	Peewee Musytari 	_/\_ 	
[12:58]	Jeremy Linden 	Hullo! 	
[12:58]	Venus Petrov 	hiya Jeremy 	
[12:58]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	Oy. A Lindoom :) 	
[12:58]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	hey jeremy 	
[12:58]	Peewee Musytari 	he still loves us :) 	
[12:58]	Vincent Nacon 	I dunno about that 	
[12:58]	Jeremy Linden 	Hey, I'm not a doomsday Linden :-O 	
[12:58]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	jere is one of the GOOD ones 	
[12:58]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	^^ 	
[12:58]	oobscure (opensource.obscure) 	:D 	
[12:59]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	just you this week jer? 	
[12:59]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	hi all 	
[12:59]	Venus Petrov 	Peewee how are you gonna drum your hands? 	
[12:59]	Jeremy Linden 	Rand is also supposed to be here! 	
[12:59]	Venus Petrov 	hi torben 	
[13:00]	Vincent Nacon 	well he got one minute 	
[13:00]	Vincent Nacon 	on wait n/m 	
[13:00]	Vincent Nacon 	oh* 	
[13:00]	Jeremy Linden 	Lexie's going to be gone for awhile longer, so you guys are still stuck with me. 	
[13:00]	Venus Petrov 	hey Storm 	
[13:00]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	hehe Jeremy 	
[13:00]	Venus Petrov 	how long is awhile? 	
[13:00]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	that's cool jeremey 	
[13:00]	Vincent Nacon 	I'm sure he's not that bad 	
[13:00]	Peewee Musytari 	why she hiding from us? 	
[13:00]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	you mean youÂ´re stuck with us ;) 	
[13:00]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	stuck? Put that superglue away.... ^^ 	
[13:00]	oobscure (opensource.obscure) 	hiding ? 	
[13:00]	Storm Clarence 	hi everyone 	
[13:01]	Vincent Nacon 	because you're annyoing or something? 	
[13:01]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	hi sotrm 	
[13:01]	Vincent Nacon 	muhaha! 	
[13:01]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	storm even 	
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden 	Maybe I am! 	
[13:01]	Peewee Musytari 	we scared lexie away talking about support again 	
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden 	Hello! We're glad you made it. Welcome to... THE FUTURE! 	
[13:01]	Peewee Musytari 	she hasn`t been back since 	
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden 	I do have some annoying gestures :-D 	
[13:01]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	oh i LOVE support! 	
[13:01]	Storm Clarence 	hi peewee a pleasure to meet you 	
[13:01]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	hi Mari 	
[13:01]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	there are no soup ports :p 	
[13:01]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	they just pulled a blionder this week! 	
[13:01]	Vincent Nacon 	oh I didn't mean you, Jeremy 	
[13:01]	Venus Petrov 	hey Mari 	
[13:01]	Peewee Musytari 	hey hey storm!!! 	
[13:02]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	full sim > 1/2 a sim > no sim! 	
[13:02]	Peewee Musytari 	wow see Jeremy everyone has come to meet you hehe 	
[13:02]	Venus Petrov 	hey Liisa 	
[13:02]	Marianne McCann 	Hiya 	
[13:02]	Marianne McCann 	Thanks, Jeremy 	
[13:02]	Jeremy Linden 	Wow, I'm popular! 	
[13:02]	Liisa Runo 	Liisa Runo whispers: hiyas 	
[13:02]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	hey marianne : 	
[13:02]	Peewee Musytari 	did even Rand desert us? 	
[13:02]	Marianne McCann 	Everyone's just so fond of your fancy hat, Jeremy 	
[13:03]	Jeremy Linden 	Ah, that must be it. I kept it from that one time that Jon, Kate and I dressed up as the 3 Musketeers :-D 	
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari 	lol 	
[13:03]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	awww 	
[13:03]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	Adamburp Adamczyk puts "gag of the week" away since only jeremy's here 	
[13:03]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	*good* old times 	
[13:03]	oobscure (opensource.obscure) 	agenda ? 	
[13:04]	Jeremy Linden 	Lessee, Agenda: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group 	
[13:04]	Vincent Nacon 	or news first? 	
[13:04]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	read jeremey' profiel erf display names 	
[13:04]	Jeremy Linden 	I can only cover some of the agenda, since I don't know Lexie's stuff. 	
[13:04]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	Adamburp Adamczyk was ogoing to use "happy birthday lexie" as a display name 	
[13:04]	Venus Petrov 	Jeremy, do you know when she will be able to join CTUG again? 	
[13:05]	Peewee Musytari 	lexie stuff is easy....Update on Answer....its still broke...done :) 	
[13:05]	Jeremy Linden 	Venus, I think Lexie said she'd be back in about a month. 	
[13:05]	Vincent Nacon 	yeah don't do that, Adam, you'd be stuck with it for a while 	
[13:05]	Venus Petrov 	thank you 	
[13:06]	Jeremy Linden 	As for the Knowledge Base, I'm still working on Mesh stuff, and I'll be consolidating and updating all those articles about how to connect to SL if you're behind a firewall (corporate or otherwise) 	
[13:06]	Jeremy Linden 	Rand has been working on some special projects that I'll let him talk about when he gets here :-) 	
[13:07]	Jeremy Linden 	Hm. And it appears that ALL the agenda items were for Lexie :-X 	
[13:07]	Peewee Musytari 	did u get the stuff you asked for about mesh tools input? 	
[13:07]	Marianne McCann 	Oops 	
[13:08]	Jeremy Linden 	Ooh, to be honest, I haven't checked recently. I notice that some people have definitely been contributing, though! 	
[13:08]	Marianne McCann 	I should poke about for an apt place for Robin Sojourner's mesh tutorial things 	
[13:09]	Jeremy Linden 	Ah, yes! Currently, most of the tutorial information that deals with specific tools is captured under https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Tools 	
[13:09]	Peewee Musytari 	kewl 	
[13:10]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	hi Rand 	
[13:10]	Peewee Musytari 	yay its rand 	
[13:10]	Marianne McCann 	Welcome, Rand 	
[13:10]	Peewee Musytari 	hewo 	
[13:10]	Venus Petrov 	hi Rand 	
[13:10]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Howdy all! 	
[13:10]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	hi rand 	
[13:10]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	You are just in time to be too late ;) 	
[13:10]	Jeremy Linden 	I also found a neat series on creating rigged mesh clothing, but I havent' had a chance to evaluate it yet. It's almost as long as a feature film: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL11D6E99BB51A2BB2 	
[13:10]	Rand (rand.linden) 	haha 	
[13:11]	Peewee Musytari 	nice one thanks jeremy 	
[13:11]	Marianne McCann 	Ya, I know Robin's on UV and mesh is about 20+ minutes (all three parts) 	
[13:11]	Jeremy Linden 	Hey Rand! I promised everyone you'd talk about your special proejcts in the KB :-) 	
[13:11]	Vincent Nacon 	in other words, I'll skip right to the end 	
[13:11]	Marianne McCann 	I can only imagine anything in depth on rigging has got to be huge 	
[13:11]	Rand (rand.linden) 	ah ok just a sec 	
[13:12]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Well one thing we just published today is http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Premium-membership/ta-p/1054477 	
[13:12]	Rand (rand.linden) 	This goes along with some new features of premium membership and promotions, etc. 	
[13:12]	Jeremy Linden 	It's very helpful for us to be able to point to detailed tutorials... We may know how the SL tools work, but you guys are often more experienced at using them :-) 	
[13:12]	Marianne McCann 	Ah, was wondering when the premium Sandbox stuff would go live 	
[13:13]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Basically you get premium "gifts" and sandboxes... 	
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari 	exclusive goods 	
[13:13]	Rand (rand.linden) 	There you go Marianne...live today! 	
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari 	ooh 	
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari 	where`s our presents? :D 	
[13:13]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Right peewee, that is the official term 	
[13:13]	Marianne McCann 	(Spotted them in progress about a week ago. Nice looking little space) 	
[13:14]	Peewee Musytari 	if we downgrade to you come and take our presents back? hehe 	
[13:14]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Ha I don't think so, Peewee 	
[13:14]	Marianne McCann 	"No premium soup for you!" 	
[13:14]	Venus Petrov 	my coffee mug will be used 	
[13:15]	Jeremy Linden 	We can't take back the fact that you *were* a Premium :-) 	
[13:15]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Other stuff I've been working on is still in progress and not released yet... 	
[13:15]	Rand (rand.linden) 	But I'd like to get your input on whether you think it would be useful to have a more traditional "User's Guide" type of doc. as well as the KB 	
[13:16]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	like the quickstart guide? 	
[13:16]	Marianne McCann 	I think so. 	
[13:16]	Marianne McCann 	AN ya, a "quickstart" 	
[13:16]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Torben, sort of, but not exactly 	
[13:16]	Peewee Musytari 	are presents only for premium & not concierge?...are they going to jealous? 	
[13:16]	Venus Petrov 	There have been a few questions lately asking for a 'Users Guide' (to everything) ã‹¡ 	
[13:16]	Storm Clarence 	all documentation to assist in learning is needed and wanted 	
[13:16]	Vincent Nacon 	oh don't be silly, the gift isn't that worthy 	
[13:17]	Peewee Musytari 	lol 	
[13:17]	Marianne McCann 	Somethign more geared towards an "average user," perhaps. Somethign not as complex/in depth as a KB has to be 	
[13:17]	Rand (rand.linden) 	More like a traditional set of guides, e.g. ..."Getting Started", "Using SL in Advanced Mode", "Content Creation Guide", "Landowners Guide" and th elike 	
[13:17]	Venus Petrov 	With links to more meaty information 	
[13:17]	Marianne McCann 	Marianne McCann fixes her "g before n"fingers 	
[13:17]	Jeremy Linden 	Storm, I think it's more a question of how you would like that documentation to be organized delivered. 	
[13:17]	Marianne McCann 	Ya, Rand. I think that would be of great value 	
[13:17]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	Dos and Don'ts ? 	
[13:17]	Jeremy Linden 	er, and* 	
[13:17]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Marianne--we could try to address various experience levels 	
[13:17]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	proper etiquette? 	
[13:18]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	nods, sounds interesting 	
[13:18]	Vincent Nacon 	only can count the etiquette as they come, not learn to cope 	
[13:18]	Rand (rand.linden) 	ok just wanted to get your take on the idea... thx 	
[13:18]	Peewee Musytari 	a decent guide for buying & selling land both mainland & estate & renting would be good...we get asked for that quite a lot like its something u can put in a post 	
[13:18]	Marianne McCann 	Good Rand. And ya. I don't think a beginning user wants to go through a huge set of data. They want to know what they're doing, but not be swamped with data 	
[13:19]	Venus Petrov 	Perhaps a place in the guide to answer common questions we see in Answers 	
[13:19]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Good point, Marianne 	
[13:19]	Marianne McCann 	"Just tell me how to talk," etc. 	
[13:19]	Jeremy Linden 	Peewee, there are articles in the Knowledge Base about buying and selling those kinds of land. 	
[13:19]	Vincent Nacon 	a simple walk through as they go along in their present time. 	
[13:19]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	jeremy: you need to improve inworld accessibility to the kb 	
[13:19]	Rand (rand.linden) 	This is just something we're considering...we need to work out the details... 	
[13:20]	Peewee Musytari 	yeah but they are all separate and specific...you get people asking how to set up a land business for example and wanting to know it all in one place 	
[13:20]	Jeremy Linden 	Oh, that's a fair point! A new feature we forgot to mention: 	
[13:20]	Vincent Nacon 	uh oh 	
[13:20]	Jeremy Linden 	SL Search can now search across ALL second life help repositories. Choose "Support" as your search type to search the KB, Answers, and the wiki. 	
[13:20]	Vincent Nacon 	in-world search? 	
[13:20]	Rand (rand.linden) 	+1 Jeremy, thx for bringing that up 	
[13:21]	Venus Petrov 	A Quick Start guide could give them basic information and then provide links to more detailed info in the KB 	
[13:21]	Peewee Musytari 	yus 	
[13:21]	Venus Petrov 	wet their appetites 	
[13:22]	Peewee Musytari 	sp it brings in other aspects..like first create a group for example 	
[13:22]	Peewee Musytari 	*so 	
[13:22]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	does it really make sense to also include Answers into the search? 	
[13:23]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Torben, you can deselect it if you don't want to search Answers. 	
[13:23]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Sometimes you might not find what you need elsewhere and want to include 	
[13:23]	oobscure (opensource.obscure) 	options = good 	
[13:23]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	ah, I just dound it in the fineprint :) 	
[13:23]	Peewee Musytari 	well the answered ones are supposed to be helpful...in theory lol 	
[13:23]	Jeremy Linden 	Jeremy Linden had to pipe up to make sure all forum posts weren't included as well :-) 	
[13:24]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	not saying they are not but it produces a really really long list of results 	
[13:24]	Rand (rand.linden) 	On a somewhat unrelated note; I don't recall if I showed this off yet: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Extended_Knowledge_Base 	
[13:24]	Marianne McCann 	Yipes, Jeremy 	
[13:25]	Rand (rand.linden) 	There are a lot of articles still in the wiki, that majority of which are valuable (some are outdated, though). THis is just provides abit more organization. 	
[13:25]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Netxt we hope to get time to clean them up and remove or update the outdated ones... 	
[13:25]	Rand (rand.linden) 	*THE majority.... 	
[13:26]	Peewee Musytari 	ok yeah thats more like it jeremy..thats helpful 	
[13:26]	Rand (rand.linden) 	BTW, all the wiki articles are open for editing, so if you are interested, feel free to adopt some and update them :-) 	
[13:26]	Rand (rand.linden) 	That's about all I have atm. 	
[13:27]	Peewee Musytari 	ty :) 	
[13:27]	Marianne McCann 	Ya, I need to still do some tweaking on a coupel of "my" pages. 	
[13:27]	Marianne McCann 	Marianne McCann adds a JIRA requesting "more hours in a day" 	
[13:27]	Peewee Musytari 	is there any news on fixing Answers? 	
[13:27]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	IÂ´ll vote for it / watch it 	
[13:27]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Yeah, I would like to get that Jira fixed, Marianne! 	
[13:27]	Jeremy Linden 	4 hours in a day isn't enough? 	
[13:28]	Marianne McCann 	Marianne McCann giggles 	
[13:29]	Marianne McCann 	4 hours sure, but one of those hours is night 	
[13:29]	Marianne McCann 	And I've yet to be able to set my first life environmental settings to a fixed sun position 	
[13:30]	Vincent Nacon 	wasn't the wiki always open for edit to registered users anyway? 	
[13:30]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Vincent, we used to have an extension called "Flagged Revs" that provided for some oversight of edits..but we removed that 	
[13:30]	Jeremy Linden 	Yes, with the exception of certain pages and namespaces. However, many Residents don't realize they're "allowed" to make changes. 	
[13:31]	Vincent Nacon 	ah 	
[13:31]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Right--the "Linden Lab Official" namespace does not allow general editing... as you might expect :-) 	
[13:31]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Speaking of which... 	
[13:31]	Rand (rand.linden) 	I forgot to mention https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Adult_Content_FAQ 	
[13:32]	Rand (rand.linden) 	which is newly-revised and newly approved as 'official' 	
[13:32]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Folks in the adult community have been asking for it for some time... 	
[13:32]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	I like the part about child avis 	
[13:32]	Vincent Nacon 	they got balls about the child issue 	
[13:33]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Yes, I would say that is really 'not recommended' IMHO 	
[13:33]	Vincent Nacon 	"Since Adult regions by design will often contain sexual content, child avatars should use caution in visiting Adult regions. " that statement is very problematic in the future. 	
[13:33]	Marianne McCann 	Vincent - was somethign selttles in June '09, if memory serves 	
[13:34]	Vincent Nacon 	you'll be surprised how it can come back up again 	
[13:34]	Marianne McCann 	Ya, amongst the kids groups themselves, we recommend that kid avvies avoid adult rated regions if at all possible. 	
[13:34]	Marianne McCann 	Oh, no I would not. 	
[13:34]	Marianne McCann 	Marianne McCann winks 	
[13:35]	Rand (rand.linden) 	If you have concerns about the content of that article, then you should go to the Adult Content UG. I just compiled the info, edited it, etc. 	
[13:35]	Marianne McCann 	I'm glad the option is there, for those who often find themselves getting stuck in one of the Zindra infohubs when a region crashes... but, ya, not exactly the sort of land I'd consider friendly to kid avatars.	
[13:35]	Rand (rand.linden) 	I just wanted to point out that it is there now and has been "approved". 	
[13:36]	Marianne McCann 	(and that's all I'mma gonna say) 	
[13:36]	Vincent Nacon 	and shouldn't you be using "Mature" and not "Moderate"? 	
[13:36]	Marianne McCann 	Ya, I think I saw someone mention that on Twitter or Plurk the other day, Rand. 	
[13:36]	Marianne McCann 	Moderate is the current nomenclature 	
[13:36]	Marianne McCann 	General, Moderate, and Adult 	
[13:36]	Vincent Nacon 	it's going to confuse the lesser minds 	
[13:37]	Jeremy Linden 	Yeah, the rating names actualyl changed a couple years ago. The letters still mean roughly the same thing, but with more distinction between M and A. 	
[13:38]	Vincent Nacon 	to be Mature or to be Moderate.... ah the irony 	
[13:38]	Marianne McCann 	Like rain on yer wedding day? 	
[13:38]	Marianne McCann 	Marianne McCann winks 	
[13:38]	Vincent Nacon 	...no? 	
[13:39]	Vincent Nacon 	anyway, just saying it's good idea to change either one of them on viewer or the wiki 	
[13:39]	Marianne McCann 	Viewer says "Moderate" 	
[13:40]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Vincent, the wiki, KB and Viewer *should* all be consistent in use of 'Moderate' 	
[13:40]	Rand (rand.linden) 	See http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Maturity-ratings/ta-p/700119 for more info :-) 	
[13:40]	Rand (rand.linden) 	If you find anywhere that still uses 'Mature' let us know and we'll fix it. 	
[13:40]	Jeremy Linden 	(However, it should be noted that we do not have any direct control over the wording used in third-party viewers) 	
[13:40]	Vincent Nacon 	what about TPVs? 	
[13:41]	Vincent Nacon 	right n/m 	
[13:41]	Rand (rand.linden) 	What Jeremy said 	
[13:41]	Vincent Nacon 	chat delay 	
[13:41]	Marianne McCann 	Ya, and things like 1.23 still say it, but that's old tech 	
[13:41]	Rand (rand.linden) 	:-) 	
[13:41]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	+1 for Jeremy 	
[13:41]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	Adamburp Adamczyk is buying nwe pc next week, might just try v2 or tpv v2 	
[13:42]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Give it a go, Adamburp..you never know, you might like it? 	
[13:42]	Jeremy Linden 	Adam, it's actually up to Viewer 3.0+ now :-) 	
[13:42]	Marianne McCann 	There's can be a learnigncurve, Adamburb, butI supggest sticking with one of them for a bit, andgetting familiar with it 	
[13:42]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	blimey 	
[13:42]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	already tried twice, and i wasn't impressed 	
[13:42]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	but 3rd time'sa charm 	
[13:42]	Vincent Nacon 	doubt it 	
[13:42]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	Viewer 3 is hiding behind the V2 icon on the desktop 	
[13:42]	Vincent Nacon 	:P 	
[13:43]	Jeremy Linden 	But now it has Mesh! Like ""Gone" (nacy nightfire) over tehre. 	
[13:43]	Marianne McCann 	Some of my initial gripes way back when were more based on "I dont know where to find the ___ function" 	
[13:43]	Vincent Nacon 	in my eyes, it's still 2.8.3 	
[13:43]	Vincent Nacon 	silly number skipping 	
[13:43]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	if there weren't phoenix, i;d still be suing 1.23 	
[13:43]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	using* 	
[13:43]	Vincent Nacon 	aye 	
[13:43]	Marianne McCann 	And I know my curve wasnt as bad as some, because of being a big fan of keyboard shortcuts 	
[13:44]	Liisa Runo 	... and when you ask people where the ____ function is, they tell you v3 dont have that function anymore. 	
[13:44]	Marianne McCann 	Liisa - even when it sometimes does still have it! 	
[13:44]	Vincent Nacon 	oh I tell people to edit their XMI files 	
[13:44]	Peewee Musytari 	v2 wiped out loads of stuff..especially for RP and combat players 	
[13:44]	Peewee Musytari 	most of the mouselook stuff 	
[13:45]	Rand (rand.linden) 	OK, so it looks like we have covered everything of relevance. Anything else related to docs or community platform? 	
[13:45]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	combat was ruined when rausch was destroyed :( 	
[13:45]	Peewee Musytari 	Answers!! 	
[13:45]	Rand (rand.linden) 	If not, then we can call it a wrap... 	
[13:45]	Jeremy Linden 	Lexie did not brief me on what's up with Answers. Rand, do you know anything more? 	
[13:45]	Vincent Nacon 	crunch wrap..... now I'm hungry 	
[13:45]	Rand (rand.linden) 	haha 	
[13:46]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	i DO have one thing ref answers 	
[13:46]	Marianne McCann 	I'm gonna scoot along. Have fun all! 	
[13:46]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	bye MAri 	
[13:46]	Venus Petrov 	tc Mari 	
[13:46]	Storm Clarence 	It was a pleasure to be among so many older residents. It is an honor as I have learned much from many of you 	
[13:46]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	jer, rand: kudos to youi guys 	
[13:46]	Marianne McCann 	Bye Bye!! 	
[13:46]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Lexie said: "No update on changes to the Answers format yet." 	
[13:46]	Peewee Musytari 	*sigh* 	
[13:46]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Sorry, peewee! 	
[13:46]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	your former colleague who ran thsi show was renowned for 1/2 useless crap answers 	
[13:46]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	hr who left ll 	
[13:47]	Jeremy Linden 	Glad you could make it, Storm. We're here every 2 weeks at the same time. 	
[13:47]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Thanks Adamburp... 	
[13:47]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	nicew to see you guys flourishing with these improvements 	
[13:47]	Rand (rand.linden) 	And thanks everyone else... good to see you all! 	
[13:47]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	so off to raiding it is 	
[13:47]	Storm Clarence 	I read all the minutes Jeremy 	
[13:47]	Peewee Musytari 	thanks jeremy & rand :) 	
[13:47]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	bye all 	
[13:47]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Bye! 	
[13:47]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	have a great day 	
[13:47]	Storm Clarence 	I have not really missed a meeting yet 	
[13:47]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	pity she wasted 2 months of my time mind you 	
[13:47]	Rand (rand.linden) 	You too, Torben! 	
[13:47]	Venus Petrov 	have a good one all ã‹¡ 	
[13:47]	Storm Clarence 	goodbye all 	
[13:47]	Jeremy Linden 	Heh! It's like you're here virtually... twice removed. 	
[13:47]	Vincent Nacon 	later all, guess I'll see some of you on Beta soon today 	
[13:48]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	well, i should head to be, 2150 here and i have a 5am styart 	
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