Community Tools User Group/07-April-2011

Category:Community Tools User Group
13:03 	Mags Indigo  	ticks things off
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  	Peewee Musytari  	kk
  	Mags Indigo  	I mean on paper
  	Amanda Linden  	ha
  	Lexie  	Registration date display..
  	Mags Indigo  	please get rid
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	paper? what's that?
  	Mags Indigo  	it's a total naff thing
  	Lexie  	Registration date display is related to the fact that most accounts were moved over from the old Jive system. This may be causing a problem with turning off that display. I will review it with Raymond Linden next week.
13:04 	  	If we can turn it off..we will!
  	  	㋡
  	Qie  	yay!
  	Mags Indigo  	cool ta for that
  	Venus Petrov  	or use the rez date if you need a date, perhaps?
  	Peewee Musytari  	noo I look old then
  	Darrius Gothly  	Aww .. I wanna be an oldbie. Can he put like 1-1-1978 in there for me?
  	Peewee Musytari  	lol
  	COCOON  	rez date is better ^^
  	Lexie  	That would be ideal Venus but might be hard to do
  	Mags Indigo  	yes - much more 'real' than some strange non-date
  	Venus Petrov  	hehe
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	grins
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  	Lexie  	ohh and:
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	hi jeremy, i hope i didn't steal your seat
  	Liisa Runo  	votes for rez-date
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13:05 	Lexie  	Also, html settings will be updated to allow user tags such as tables and headings. This will help with localizing and kb contributors.
  	  	That you will see next week too
  	Mags Indigo  	smiles as though she understands that :-)
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  	Marianne McCann  	cool
  	Darrius Gothly  	Heading tags too? <h1>, <h2>, etc?
  	Lexie  	right Darrius
13:06 	Darrius Gothly  	Tyvm!
  	Peewee Musytari  	heya jeremy
  	Darrius Gothly  	votes for rez date too
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  	Lexie  	Thats the update for now!
  	Jeremy Linden  	Someone's been sitting in my chair, and there he is!
  	Amanda Linden  	thanks lexie
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	rez day would be better
  	Peewee Musytari  	wow it will look so professional in there hehe
  	Mags Indigo  	that's the agenda almost torn up
  	Marianne McCann  	Ya, i don;t think many wil disagree on rez date
  	Lexie  	haha
  	Venus Petrov  	humm
  	Amanda Linden  	ha
  	  	ok, next is venus' reqeust for adult public forum.
  	Venus Petrov  	yes, again....
  	Amanda Linden  	unfortunately, i've confirmed on this end that we jus can't do that right now.
  	Venus Petrov  	and the backup plan?
  	  	because....
  	Amanda Linden  	not until we get age verification (not on road map)
  	  	at the moment anyway
13:07 	  	the best solution is the private forum for adult.
  	  	i've asked blondin to contact u venus.
  	Darrius Gothly  	That'll work.
  	Venus Petrov  	yes, that's fine ㋡
  	Mags Indigo  	kk
  	Amanda Linden  	that's where the business owners can discuss adult business in a private setting.
  	  	and where we can make sure that everyone in there is adult verified.
  	Venus Petrov  	this was for residents
  	Darrius Gothly  	Well .. adult contributors .. not just business owners.
  	Amanda Linden  	sure, just ask blondin for access.
  	Venus Petrov  	unless you are suggesting they be added ?
  	Amanda Linden  	he's the owner of the adult community (on the linden side)
  	Lord of Dee  	Blondin specially selected people for that forum
13:08 	Venus Petrov  	ok, let me understand you
  	Amanda Linden  	no one can own a community, I know. :)
  	  	so, that's the best we can do for now.
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	imagines him coming home.. how was yer day?
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  	Amanda Linden  	same goes for LGBT community.
  	Peewee Musytari  	i asked for access and was put on a waiting list :(
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	i know what you mean amanda :
  	Venus Petrov  	residents can ask Blondin to be added to the adult community subforum?
  	Lord of Dee  	Not according to Blondin
  	bob Iwashi  	unless you're gung-ho-aloha, the sun flip flop worshipper amanda, then you can
  	Amanda Linden  	peewee, did you talk to blondin?
  	Mags Indigo  	he ignores me :(
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	Marigold ^.^
  	Mags Indigo  	which is probably understandable
  	Lord of Dee  	I talked to Blondin
  	Peewee Musytari  	yeah u forwarded on my request amanda
  	Marigold Devin  	whispers belated his to Wilhiam, everyone
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  	Peewee Musytari  	and blondin replied
13:09 	Amanda Linden  	i'll ping him to let you in.
  	Peewee Musytari  	cool ty
  	Amanda Linden  	if anyone has troubles there, let me know.
  	Darrius Gothly  	Can we do a Post about that forum in Community Feedback .. to let others now it exists and can be accessed with proper methods?
  	Venus Petrov  	residents can request to be added??
  	Darrius Gothly  	*know
  	Venus Petrov  	i want to be clear on this outcome please
  	Lord of Dee  	No Venus not really,. or that wasn't the intent of that forum anyway
  	Mags Indigo  	I've requested a few times
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	Better make it PG post about adults, Darrius.
  	Mags Indigo  	:(
  	Qie  	FWIW, Blondin *should* be at an Events user group right after this, unless my calendar is messed up.
  	Amanda Linden  	not general consumers of adult content.
  	  	but, adult b usiness owners/merchants.
  	Darrius Gothly  	*nods* @ Wil
13:10 	Lord of Dee  	It's large landowners and business
  	Darrius Gothly  	Oh ... hmm .. why not?
  	Venus Petrov  	well, can we as residents have a forum where access is granted the same way?
  	  	this is what I have been asking for
  	Amanda Linden  	no, i'm sorry venus.
  	Darrius Gothly  	I agree with Venus.
  	Amanda Linden  	i realize that the decision is unpopular.
  	Venus Petrov  	why not, may i ask?
  	  	open only to residents that ask.
  	Lord of Dee  	You don't want to go hijacking Blondin's forum
  	Amanda Linden  	but, this is a g forum and we just cannot host a public adult discussion on our forums.
  	  	public forums
  	Mags Indigo  	unpopular is possibly a polite way of saying it
  	Amanda Linden  	i know.
13:11 	Venus Petrov  	it would not be public
  	Darrius Gothly  	It won't be public, it will be by admission only.
  	Amanda Linden  	and, i'm sensitive to your needs.
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	but you could a add a private forum for adults
  	Venus Petrov  	open only to residents that ask for access
  	Qie  	there could be a *different* private forum created, but it would take overhead in manually checking age verification, I guess
  	Amanda Linden  	let me discuss with blondin.
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	well amanda, even if it's 'unpopular' at least it's something until the age verification thing finds a solution
  	Venus Petrov  	this is what i have been asking for, please.
  	Mags Indigo  	hi Marigold
  	Venus Petrov  	not a public forum
  	  	on adult topics
  	Mags Indigo  	and Caitlin
  	Darrius Gothly  	Please do. At least it gives us a backroom to take topics that are too sensitive for general eyes.
  	bob Iwashi  	let ll hire a "social media networking noobie sex club forum integration manager!" to deal with it
  	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias 	^^
  	Amanda Linden  	keep in mind, that the community guideliens still apply even in private forums.
13:12 	  	meaning, i think that you'll all get really frustrated not being able to discuss adult things as freely as you would like.
  	  	no nudity, etc.
  	Venus Petrov  	that is fine, at least the topics can be more , adult
  	Mags Indigo  	yes - I can be polite and avoid rude words
  	COCOON  	I do hope the pictures posted too ^^
  	Peewee Musytari  	u can`t post nekkid? :((
  	Darrius Gothly  	e.g. Relationships and their intracacies.
  	Lord of Dee  	It's not a perving forum people are asking for Amanda!
  	Mags Indigo  	it's 'concepts' I think we'd like freedom over
  	Amanda Linden  	ok, but i think the frustration factno, i'm sorry.
  	  	sorry, two thoughts in one.
  	  	:)
  	Qie  	speak for yourself, Ciaran
13:13 	Venus Petrov  	yes, relationship issues, etc
  	Darrius Gothly  	LOL @ Qie
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	heh
  	Amanda Linden  	venus, let me take that back.
  	  	i realize you've been asking for a while.
  	Venus Petrov  	so a non-public forum where we can gain access via request to a linden
  	  	yes, like weeks lol
  	Amanda Linden  	a private forum may be solution, as long as the guidelines are followed.
  	Venus Petrov  	that is all we are asking for
  	Amanda Linden  	blondin would need to manage, so i need to ask him.
  	  	ok, gotchya.
  	Venus Petrov  	some privacy ...laughs
  	Amanda Linden  	progress, right?
  	Mags Indigo  	is wondering will Venus begin to tantrum etc if she doesn't get what she wants soon
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  	Lexie  	㋡
13:14 	Venus Petrov  	laughs no
  	Mags Indigo  	not that I'm thinking of anyone in particular
  	  	or anything
  	Darrius Gothly  	And the mods are made aware that concepts not fit for public consumption are okay to post in there.
  	Venus Petrov  	at least not that you would notice
  	Amanda Linden  	no, your request has been totally reasonable.
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	no Mags .. that'susually somebody else doing that ^.^
  	Amanda Linden  	venus, answer next week. promise.
  	  	cool?
  	Mags Indigo  	grins at Wil
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  	Venus Petrov  	thank you, Amanda
  	Amanda Linden  	kk
  	Dresden Ceriano  	unless the answer is no
  	  	lol
  	Venus Petrov  	shush Dres!
13:15 	Peewee Musytari  	lol
  	Amanda Linden  	now, interesting dconcept re: RIC.
  	Venus Petrov  	perish the thought
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	ah
  	Venus Petrov  	oh yes RIC
  	Amanda Linden  	i think that anyone can RIC any content on the forums/blogs.
  	Lexie  	yes
  	Amanda Linden  	not limited to those in the discussion. right lexie?
  	Lexie  	correct
  	Venus Petrov  	even ninja RIC? drive-by RIC?
  	  	laughs
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	wonders what RIC is
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  	Amanda Linden  	it doesn't happen too often actuall.
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	so RIC is rife for abuse :(
  	Amanda Linden  	reports are really calming down.
  	Darrius Gothly  	Report Inappropriate Content
  	Venus Petrov  	that is good to hear
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	ah ok
13:16 	Amanda Linden  	yeah, no bans (assied from obvious spam) for two weeks now
  	Peewee Musytari  	wouldn`t u want to RIC spam without replying to it though?
  	Marianne McCann  	Reluctant Inner Core
  	Venus Petrov  	it just did not make sense to me that someone might RIC a post and not even have contributed to the topic
  	Lexie  	I think trying to have the system filter who has participated in a thread before they can ric, would be a drain on the overall platform. We have many residents.
  	Amanda Linden  	that's not how the system works...
  	Dresden Ceriano  	aren't there repercussions for RICing inappropriately?
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	i noticed you don't get notified if being RIC'd against..
  	Venus Petrov  	well, my understanding is that a mod looks at each RIC
  	Darrius Gothly  	And just because you don't post .. doesn't mean you find the post "acceptable"
13:17 	Amanda Linden  	mods do.
  	Lord of Dee  	Surely people should be able to report without participating
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	well, i think there is a bit of room for allowing randoms to RIC
  	Lexie  	Its also not set up to work that way. We cannot flip a switch to make it happen.
  	COCOON  	today there was a spam post about whatever horse ranch as favorite destination ....... would be strange to post there first ......
  	Marianne McCann  	Venus. Could not one see, say, a post that is clearly over the line and RIC without having to reply on the discussion? Does that not lead to posts of "Imma report you!"
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	And what is a forum without lurkers really, should they be void of rights?
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	there's the 'obvious' cases where that should happen, alerting to spam e
  	Venus Petrov  	neigh
  	COCOON  	before it can be RIC'd
  	Venus Petrov  	laughs
  	bob Iwashi  	are teh mods lindens or scouts?
  	Amanda Linden  	guys, i need to step away for a few mins. have a blog post to push. stay tuned. be right back
  	Marigold Devin  	agrees with Darrius, you can disagree with the content of a thread/post without being part of it
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  	Lexie  	Mods are Lindens bob
  	  	not scouts
  	bob Iwashi  	hallelujah
  	Peewee Musytari  	yeah I agree, feeding a troll before reporting it seems odd to me
13:18 	COCOON  	lol peewee ^^
  	bob Iwashi  	some sense left in the world then
  	Venus Petrov  	snorts
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  	Darrius Gothly  	I don't gotta step in dog pooh to object to it on the sidewalk. (just saying...)
  	Lexie  	hehe peewee
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	Indeed
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	darrius i promise it's not mine
  	Dresden Ceriano  	lies
  	  	lol
  	Darrius Gothly  	*sniff sniff* Yuo sure??? heheheh
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	Does it look happy?
  	Venus Petrov  	ewwwww
13:19 	Veleda Lorakeet  	Than it might be from someone i know
  	Darrius Gothly  	Sorry .. we derailed you Amanda .. what about RIC's again?
  	bob Iwashi  	where's raymond linden today please lexie or jeremy?
  	Lexie  	She stepped away
  	Amanda Linden  	sorry--i need to step away for a sec.
  	Rand  	raymond is out today
  	Amanda Linden  	brb
  	Venus Petrov  	she said RIC early and often
  	COCOON  	he was fired?
  	Darrius Gothly  	LOL
  	bob Iwashi  	oh :( he promised us an update
  	Liisa Runo  	(Wildcat, your AO is missing anim 'VAtalk01_SL_v01' and spamming errors)
  	Rand  	no no
13:20 	  	bob, on what specifically?
  	Jeremy Linden  	Heh. Raymond is out today, but he will be back. :-)
  	COCOON  	ah ^^
  	Lexie  	I can respond to the aganeda item about Answers and the naming of it.
  	  	agenda*
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	deep voice: "i'll be back"
  	COCOON  	AO off ...
  	bob Iwashi  	on whether Support Lindens will hold a one off meeting to hear residents concerns over the scouts, and their lack of knowledge
  	Peewee Musytari  	ooh yus lexie
13:21 	bob Iwashi  	and to let us know why we can no longer make complaint tickets
  	  	to make our concerns known
  	Lexie  	We are thinking about it, but it is not top of the list just yet. It would require lots of updates to things as well. Right now we are looking more at UI issues.
  	  	But, name change is still on the table and I do think it makes sense
  	Peewee Musytari  	kk so its on the long term list?
  	Darrius Gothly  	TY
  	Lexie  	yes
  	Peewee Musytari  	kewl ty
13:22 	Rand  	Bob: I do know that he raised the issue of UG with the support team, but I don't know what the result was..
  	Lexie  	Also the Answers updates:
  	  	oh I can answer that Bob
  	Peewee Musytari  	we are getting all our wish list Lexie? :D
  	Qie  	ninja-edits the agenda
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  	Lexie  	Re: Support User Group - There is none planned at this time. But, there are some changes happening in support so we will keep the request on the radar and let you know if we have any news.
  	Marianne McCann  	wonders if we're on a set agenda today
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13:23 	Veleda Lorakeet  	oi
  	  	LOL
  	Lexie  	So, that is a "maybe later"
  	  	㋡
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	Marianne: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group :D
  	Darrius Gothly  	puts more icing on the Support UG "suggestion cake" ...
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  	Amanda Linden  	ok, back
  	Marianne McCann  	smiles
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  	  	THaanks, Dog. It felt a bit scattered, so I wanted t'make sure
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	wb amanda
  	Peewee Musytari  	wb
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	wb
  	Mags Indigo  	wb
  	Amanda Linden  	thanks. just put up a blog post on the new sl viewer beta.
  	Marianne McCann  	Welcome back!
  	Amanda Linden  	oh, and did i mention enhanced avatar phyics?
  	Darrius Gothly  	Shame on you .. working during a meeting. LOL
  	Amanda Linden  	yes, bouncy.
13:24 	Lexie  	lol
  	Amanda Linden  	http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Tools-and-Technology/Introducing-the-Updated-SL-Viewer-Beta-with-Enhanced-Avatar/ba-p/803711
  	  	(just an fyi.)
  	Peewee Musytari  	lol
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	you mean bouncy is coming to the main viewer?
  	Amanda Linden  	yep. it' is.
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	Ah that was the one that just downloaded Manada?
  	  	ehmAmanda
  	Amanda Linden  	it was updated 5 mins ago.
  	Marianne McCann  	I hope to one day see those. If v2.3 and above would stop, you know, lockign up on Macs.
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	Yes just got it
  	Peewee Musytari  	just don`t mention it on the forums lol
  	Amanda Linden  	yep, that's the new beta.
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	ok, i can see a new round of immature minded people having fun with that amanda :)
  	Venus Petrov  	lol Peewee
  	Amanda Linden  	well, it should be a crowd pleaser.
13:25 	  	:)
  	  	ok, back to our meeting sorry.
  	Venus Petrov  	i think 'bounce' is an acceptable word..just bleep the body bits
  	Darrius Gothly  	<-- member of the immature and gleefully so crowd
  	Dee  	which crowd?
  	Amanda Linden  	where were we?
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	touche amanda
  	Lord of Dee  	You really need to fix visibility for your blog posts
  	Mags Indigo  	hmmm not too interested in 'physics'
  	Amanda Linden  	lexie, i tried to make it featured...
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	
  	Mags Indigo  	at my age everything moves too much in rl
  	Amanda Linden  	oh well. technology/then featured.
  	Peewee Musytari  	lexie was about to make answers better :)
  	Darrius Gothly  	LOL @ Mags
  	Amanda Linden  	ok, carry on.
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	but we figured that you would be much more interested in avatars bouncing and jiggling :-)))
  	Mags Indigo  	I like things staying right where I put them here
  	Marianne McCann  	It's a fine feature I'll never have a use for. But I'm sure it's gonna be a hit
13:26 	  	grins
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  	Lexie  	Ok, Answers improvements:
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	Sorry about that :-)
  	Lexie  	I know the layout is causing frustration
  	Peewee Musytari  	nods
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  	Lexie  	It seems to center around the comments portion
  	Marigold Devin  	It really is
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	is a nice feture for machimina :p
  	Darrius Gothly  	*nods* @ Lexie
  	Dresden Ceriano  	i don't get it at all
  	Liisa Runo  	from the web page: "Since the physics are controlled by a wearable object, you have the ability to easily customize and personalize your settings just as if you were editing any other clothing item. So whether you want lots of movement, or only a bit, you can adjust your settings and they will apply only to your avatar’s targeted body part. "
  	Peewee Musytari  	very much so lexie
  	Lexie  	So, I think there may be 2 possible options.
13:27 	  	One, have all comments expanded by default so it all flows better, ..
  	Dee  	yes
  	Darrius Gothly  	(blech)
  	Lexie  	Or 2: See if we can disable that comment feature
  	Darrius Gothly  	Turn it into the Forum Thread style presentation?
  	Lord of Dee  	There's a distinct lack of consistency with Answers
13:28 	Lexie  	I am checking on both options to see if either is something we can actually implement
  	Peewee Musytari  	there are other subforums that have the ability to mark correct answers and give kudos, but they are like normal forums...can it not just be made into one like that?
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	agrees . Make Answers like normal forum where commenting is concerned
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  	Lexie  	I don't have the answers yet but Im with you on trying to change it!
  	Darrius Gothly  	TY Lexie
  	Dresden Ceriano  	great
  	Marigold Devin  	Normal - more consistent. Especially for the newer residents who come along, its so confusing currently.
13:29 	Lexie  	Peewee Accepted solutions is part of answers. I think we want to keep that and it ties into the Answers style pages better than in the general forum layout
  	Peewee Musytari  	you can`t even mark a comment as the correct answer when it is, so its defeating the purpose of that aspect too
  	Venus Petrov  	you could even take away the kudos if you made it more 'regular forum-like'
  	Lord of Dee  	and can you make view all stay open? I click view all to see further questions and then when I go back to answers it's closed again
  	Lexie  	hmm, I can check Lord of Dee
13:30 	  	agreed on the comment cannot be an "answer" peewee
  	Lord of Dee  	Thanks Lexie
  	Lexie  	That is a bit confusing
  	Darrius Gothly  	There is some debate about what affect Kudos have on Rank. Can you confirm that Kudos do indeed figure into someone gaining (or losing) Rank?
13:31 	Lexie  	They do, but are just one part of the formula
  	Peewee Musytari  	u can lose rank? eeps
  	Mags Indigo  	is doomed to never be ranked
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  	Darrius Gothly  	Can you publish that formula please?
  	Marigold Devin  	I don't care about rank
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	oh.. no more Kudos for me please , everyone ;P :)
  	Lexie  	Yes, I see some "experimenting" with that by Residents on the forum
  	Venus Petrov  	lol Wil
  	Darrius Gothly  	LOL @ experiments
  	Mags Indigo  	:-)
  	Peewee Musytari  	lol
  	Lexie  	㋡
13:32 	Dee  	some:)
  	Marigold Devin  	But I will probably kudos peewee to the hilt because she is fabulous - and how that remark will put the cat among the pigeons I am sure
  	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias 	..
  	Amanda Linden  	rand/jeremy do you have any updates for us re: KB?
  	Peewee Musytari  	Aah!
  	  	too many koodies
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	
  	Rand  	Yes, some minor things re: the KB
  	COCOON  	lol
  	Darrius Gothly  	Right now, because Rank formula is so hidden .. I think folks get the wrong idea about what it means. If we know how it's calculated, it would help us understand its meaning better.
13:33 	Jeremy Linden  	is currently working on getting the existing KB articles up to date and into a consistent writing style. Slow but sure. :-)
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  	Rand  	We've added the ability for KB articles edited by Resident contributors to use images from the wiki.
  	Venus Petrov  	yes, a bit of transparency would be helpful
  	Peewee Musytari  	seems to be a combo of solutions and koodies from what I`ve seen
  	Lexie  	Darrius, if we put the formula out there, it is more likely to be gamed. Don't you think?
  	Rand  	Since most of the current KB articles were migrated from wiki, the images stayed there, so this enables contributors to edit those articles without any issue
13:34 	Torben  	but we could game it on a way better level Lexie ;)
  	Darrius Gothly  	No .. people will game no matter what. They're already doing it by experimenting. The desire to anti-game just hides the truth rather than deters the gamers.
  	Peewee Musytari  	heya rand...didn`t see u come in
  	Marigold Devin  	Not at all, Lexie. If anything is going to be gamed, its going to be gamed regardless.
  	Amanda Linden  	rand, hold on a sec.
  	  	guess the kudos discussion wasn't finished. :)
  	Rand  	And as Lexie said, we're about to get the issue with prohibited HTML tags fixed (eg. <h1> <h2> <table> etc)
  	  	oop sorry
  	Dee  	we at least can all game from the same start point
  	Qie  	just change the formula; every other week multiply by -1
13:35 	Venus Petrov  	laughs
  	Darrius Gothly  	Evil Qie .. very very evil! LOL
  	Peewee Musytari  	oh my lord
  	Veleda Lorakeet  	coughs and slips away waving a bit with some extremity
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  	Peewee Musytari  	can u imagine the posts
  	Darrius Gothly  	agrees with Dee ... puts us all on equal footing
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  	Lexie  	I think knowing the contributing parts of the formula, as is stated on the Help info..should be enough.
  	Dee  	ty Darrius :)
13:36 	Mags Indigo  	I might have to start being 'nice'
  	  	yuk
  	Lexie  	Besides, you all dont care about ranks anyway right? *wink*
  	Darrius Gothly  	LOL
  	Lexie  	㋡
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	
  	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias 	I dont, but I think that was obvious :)
  	Lord of Dee  	Yes Lexie, I'd rather mute them
  	  	:p
  	Mags Indigo  	I'd like the rank of 'honoured crone' please
  	Darrius Gothly  	It's more that people not deeply immersed in Forum Culture see the Ranks as meaning "That there is a good person .. cuz they haz rank."
  	Marigold Devin  	Remove my rank and kudos, Lexie and watch. You'll get the same input from me, regardless, for whatever that's worth.
  	Dee  	kill hudo's Tshirts would they sell?
13:37 	  	Kudos
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	well said, Marigold .. applies to me as well
  	Peewee Musytari  	so long as ranks don`t stop people doing what they want to do on the forums I`m not sure what diff it makes whats ranks we have tbh
  	Marigold Devin  	It's misleading. Some people really don't seem to deserve their rank, it takes the michael out of those who do.
  	Marianne McCann  	has managed to maintain her "honored whatever" rank regardless of current paeticipation, and is fine with this
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13:38 	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	Ranking should be dropped.
  	Mags Indigo  	doesn't care what rank she has
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  	Marigold Devin  	And Marianne, you have a special place on the forums as far as a lot of us are concerned.
  	Lord of Dee  	It's when someone turns up in a forum where they have less knowledge that it potentially becomes an issue, there are folk in the scripting and building forums who are very knowledgeable in those areas
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	
  	Dee  	yes Wil yes
  	Darrius Gothly  	I'm quite happy with my orange bowling pin too .. but I'm thinking of the perception of others new to the Forums or just not deeply involved in the community.
  	Venus Petrov  	doesn't care what rank Mags has either ㋡
  	Amanda Linden  	let's save ther est of the ranks/kudos convo for when raymond is back next week.
  	Mags Indigo  	considers frowning at Venus
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  	Marigold Devin  	The poor sods who come looking for help won't even notice the ranking system. They just want help, from wherever they can get it.
  	Amanda Linden  	he should hear this...
  	Darrius Gothly  	*nods*
13:39 	Dee  	difference between HR and Member is you can add tags right
  	Peewee Musytari  	i don`t think anyone new to the forums would know which rank was higher without looking up...the titles are very vague
  	Lord of Dee  	I think finding their way back to their question is more of an issue for them Marigold
  	Marigold Devin  	Make sure Raymond reads this transcript, then please.
  	Lexie  	Yes Peewee
  	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias 	true, ciaran
  	Amanda Linden  	will do. for sure.
  	Marigold Devin  	Yes, ciaran, quite so. Its very hard for them to find their way back. I've taken to going into world to locate people I've attempted to help.
  	  	They all say its too complicated, the forum, as it is.
  	Venus Petrov  	besides many have fixed their badges so that rank does not show unless one runs the mouse over it
13:40 	Marigold Devin  	And that would certainly seem to be true, because there are less people returning to the threads they have started, than on the old system
  	Dee  	or a car Venus
  	Darrius Gothly  	Someone IM'd me with a question 3 weeks ago. I replied in 10 minutes. That reply is still awaiting their return. LOL
  	Venus Petrov  	laughs Dee
  	Dee  	hehe
  	Venus Petrov  	semi
  	Marigold Devin  	Exactly, Darrius, often happens
  	Peewee Musytari  	i get PMs instead of people replying on their posts
  	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias 	yeah or IM
  	Lexie  	New Residents do forget to mark what answer helped them. But it doesnt mean they are not seeing it.
13:41 	Marigold Devin  	Yes, Peewee, I imagine you get a screenfull when you log in now.
  	  	As I did when ghost hunting
  	Peewee Musytari  	yeah way more are gabbing me in world too
  	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias 	/memakes note to PM Peewee with questions...
  	Lord of Dee  	Agreed Lexie but they could do with a hand about navigation
  	Peewee Musytari  	lololol
  	Venus Petrov  	laughs
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	mari, do we need to start a GhostBusters group in world? :)
  	Marigold Devin  	And Peewee, if you're happy with that, then great, if you can help, then wonderful, but you don't work for LL
  	Dee  	often Catlin
  	Marigold Devin  	DogWomble, no, the ghosting issue is fixed - for now. I believe
  	Peewee Musytari  	i know venus does too lol...some the same people
  	Marianne McCann  	Hmn?
  	Marigold Devin  	Or point me to the nearest ghosts you know of
  	Marianne McCann  	Oh, other Mari
13:42 	DogWomble Dollinger  	:)
  	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias 	oh ghosts go to Mari!
  	Venus Petrov  	hehe yes Peewee
  	Marigold Devin  	You're Mari, Marianne - you're older than me ;-)))
  	bob Iwashi  	no it isn;t fixed
  	Darrius Gothly  	too mani maris
  	Lord of Dee  	There's only one Mari!
  	bob Iwashi  	beleive me
  	Marianne McCann  	:-PRand Linden
  	bob Iwashi  	none of them had a clue
  	Kraptacular Kat  	marigold is MGD
  	bob Iwashi  	i spent 45 minutes in live herlp and wound up talking to 3 diff scouts when i were ghosted recently
  	Darrius Gothly  	Did we draw a line around RICs Amanda? Or is that topic still open today?
  	bob Iwashi  	none of them had a clue
13:43 	Peewee Musytari  	any progress on "bumping" threads or did I miss that update lexie?
  	Marigold Devin  	Yes, BB :-))))
  	bob Iwashi  	abd all i was asking for a wasd a region restart
  	  	th scouts has no idea what "stuck presence" even meant!
  	Marigold Devin  	gives bob all my sympathy - its hit and miss with the scouts for sure.
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  	Lexie  	No progress on that one yet Peewee. It is on the list though
  	Peewee Musytari  	kk ty
  	bob Iwashi  	45 ruddy minutes!
  	Amanda Linden  	darrius--think we ended up that anyone (logged in) can report a RIC, but doesn't mean that it will be acted upon. will be evaluated tho.
  	Marianne McCann  	Bob, my fave is getitng told to contact the estate owner when it's a mainland sim that's stuck. </offtopic>
  	Darrius Gothly  	k .. ty
  	bob Iwashi  	before that dude last year cut all the lindens, you cou,ld get a region restart in 5 minutes!
13:44 	Marigold Devin  	But valid, Mari, because its all about the lack of communication and inconsistency in certain areas
  	Venus Petrov  	yes, that is what i heard
  	Marigold Devin  	I want consistency!
  	Marianne McCann  	nods
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  	Amanda Linden  	consistency in what respect? do tell more.
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	so there is no way a moderator could stay at night hours? guess lot of people are getting tired of the spammers
  	Marigold Devin  	In the Scouts being fully trained, ,in there being help for basic account holders
  	bob Iwashi  	how hard is it"hi i'm ghosted at my home on a mainladn sim, i'ver delted my cache manually tried the usual tips and trick can you restart the region please"
  	Amanda Linden  	cat--we're actually looking into the night owl mod.
  	bob Iwashi  	45 minutes and 3 scouts later
13:45 	Amanda Linden  	trying to get budget for the extra person.
  	  	that's on my list.
  	Marigold Devin  	Oh, and the Wasted guy, it took 3 whole hours before he got removed from the forums on the morning I saw him take the mickey out of Oskar Linden's post. Oskar had to come in after I emailed him and get that sorted.
  	bob Iwashi  	afore soembody in concierge helped me out
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	is morning time for europeans...maybe an european moderator? :p
  	Darrius Gothly  	Tell Rodvik we said it was okay to hire more people.
  	Marigold Devin  	How come we - the residents - are seeing the spammer before the moderator on the forums???
  	Amanda Linden  	yeah, wasted has been a real problem.
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	lol Darrius
  	Marianne McCann  	I can adjust my sleep schedule Amanda... and I'd work cheap....
  	Mags Indigo  	how about ResMods with very limited powers?
  	Marianne McCann  	winks
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  	Darrius Gothly  	<-- afk for a few .. brb
13:46 	Amanda Linden  	let's try to get a mod at night and then we'll work otu planned b's.
  	COCOON  	just add 2 extra moderators and the problem is solved, no?
  	Amanda Linden  	plan be's
  	  	b's
  	  	can't type.:(
  	Marigold Devin  	I don't think I am the only person who sees Wasted appear, submits an AR and then waits, and nothing happens for ages? When a mod should be there, also, refreshing the new threads page and zap him before he can get a-hold again
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	you are not alone Marigold :p
  	Venus Petrov  	no, you 're not the only one
  	Amanda Linden  	yep, i hear ya. very frustrating.
  	Marigold Devin  	But Wasted isn't so bad - amusing really - but the eingee.com and other Linden Dollar spam ones are a risk to the newer residents.
  	  	And that isn't giving out a very positive impression of LL from the start.
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	nods.
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  	Amanda Linden  	agreed.
13:47 	Venus Petrov  	Wasted is a spammer...a nuisance
  	Marigold Devin  	And I thought I'd have nothing to say at this meeting!
  	Dee  	god he is persistent
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	yes, I read some residents having problems using that site...
  	COCOON  	if they get 1 resident buying from them, they win ^^
  	Amanda Linden  	we're continuing to hone the span filters.but, it's tough.
  	Marigold Devin  	Sorry, been bottling it all up
  	bob Iwashi  	hears you marigold
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  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	the LindenDollar spam is very disturbing
  	Peewee Musytari  	lol marigold
  	Amanda Linden  	keep reporting them.
  	Lexie  	We have cut off many of that eingee spammers methods and are working on more
  	Marigold Devin  	Spam filters? Good grief!
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	he is a person with lot of free time :p
  	Marigold Devin  	What about moderators using their eyes and commonsense now and again???
  	COCOON  	it is an entrepreneur I think ->they never give up really!
  	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias 	he does the LL forum in the weekends and the 3rd party forums in the weekdays....
  	Marigold Devin  	These people, eingee and Wasted for example, have set times, set patterns, you can even almost set your watch by them
13:48 	Mags Indigo  	hands Marigold a cold beer
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  	Marigold Devin  	takes the beer gratefully. Thank you Mags *slurp*
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  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	marigold, there is not a moderatorat night...let's see what's ahppend when we have one ;--)
  	Lexie  	Used to Marigold. They are changing it up lately
  	Mags Indigo  	:-)
  	Dee  	oh he has a schedule cool:)
  	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias 	yah...
  	  	predictable, really
  	COCOON  	can u guys at LL not offer a job @Lindenlabs for WASTED?
  	Marigold Devin  	Night for you, is 8am for me. Wasted is Spanish, 9am for him is midnight for SL time
13:49 	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	Wildcat ? ... you nuts ? ;P :O
  	Marigold Devin  	I am sure Wasted has some very valid points. And these are getting lost in the clutter of his spammy threads.
  	COCOON  	haha
  	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias 	I see wasted in the weekends, psamming, he is in my timezone (europe)
  	Mags Indigo  	most of the UK day in forums can be taken up by spam
  	Marianne McCann  	Wildcat - Supervisor in charge of gamping games?
  	COCOON  	in mine too
  	  	lol Maianne
  	Amanda Linden  	ok, we're in the last 10 mins.
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	nop, i'm spanish, I mean night for SL :p
  	COCOON  	Marianne*
  	Amanda Linden  	want to make srue we covered everything on the agenda.
  	  	only thing that we didn't get to was the referral bonus question.
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	I have to read all the spam when I wake up in the morning lol
  	Marigold Devin  	Meanwhile, the forum looks a mess and becomes even harder to navigate, and its very offputting for all, especially those who, frustrating, seeking help, on basic (but with payment on file) are unable to access any help through the "Support"
  	Liisa Runo  	i think offering a job to wasted is great idea, let him translate the signs to all 6000 languages
  	Marianne McCann  	Did we get to Qie's as well?
  	Venus Petrov  	yes that just came up today
  	Darrius Gothly  	back
  	Amanda Linden  	i know we have an internal referral bonus, but not sure about resi' bonus.
  	Qie  	Amanda, I ninja'd in another point at the end
  	Amanda Linden  	kk, refreshing
  	COCOON  	LOL LIISA
13:50 	Venus Petrov  	it's in the viewer..might want to fix that then
  	Amanda Linden  	don't think that we have one. but if you have a good candidate in mind, pass 'em along to us.
  	  	we'll make sure recruiters see the resume.
  	Arawn Graalrd  	Referal Bonus for Users? I think got oe, jus afterthey were cancelled
  	Venus Petrov  	well, the viewer has something about referral bonus for residents
  	Amanda Linden  	ah, right.
  	  	no, i don't think there is one.
  	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias 	ow
  	Amanda Linden  	in fact, i know there isn't.
  	Peewee Musytari  	its on the email a snap window
  	Marigold Devin  	Used to be in 2007
13:51 	Venus Petrov  	oh might want to take that out then
  	Amanda Linden  	will look at that.
  	  	and, land user group is the last question.
  	Marigold Devin  	quietly sips the beer
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  	Amanda Linden  	no, there are no updates qie
  	Qie  	pouts silently
''
  	Amanda Linden  	no land user group planned for now (aside from large estate private gropu)
  	  	group)
  	Arawn Graalrd  	e-mailing snapshots might refer to a referal bonus, but that would be viewer side
13:52 	bob Iwashi  	wishes nutbar was here to brighten up the meeting
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  	Marianne McCann  	Definitely a do want, Qie, Marketplace is steamrollering over land, MO
  	  	IMO*
  	Amanda Linden  	nutbar?
  	bob Iwashi  	adamburp
  	Amanda Linden  	;)
  	  	ah
  	bob Iwashi  	the "one man band"
  	Amanda Linden  	:)
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	a rebel with a cause?
13:53 	Amanda Linden  	kk, any last things in the remaining mins?
  	Torben  	Referral Bonus: http://secondlife.com/corporate/affiliate/?lang=en-US
  	Amanda Linden  	ha, will look at that.
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	yes Amanda .. RIC notification
  	  	why don't you get notified when posts are pulled ?
  	Lord of Dee  	Jack's meetings were at one stage for concierge users, can't we at least have one of those back
13:54 	Amanda Linden  	no, i'm sorry lord. not in the plans rightnow.
  	  	wilhiam, you're not notified when your posts get pulled?
  	  	you should be.
  	Marigold Devin  	Wilhiam, you're getting posts pulled? ^^
  	Amanda Linden  	referral bonus program is still in place.
  	  	just confirmed with lead
  	Darrius Gothly  	Well .. there ARE times when you know it's gonna get pulled. *grin*
  	Marianne McCann  	Commerce is all over the marketplace, and it's getting a lot of resources and time spent on it. Land is, well... getting visually nothing, IMO.
13:55 	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	i wasn't , Amanda .. post was just pulled
  	Amanda Linden  	i'll double confirm with mods that folks should be notified when their stuff is pulled. thanks for letting me know.
  	Lord of Dee  	Land is getting a very raw deal considering it's the core backbone of the business model of LL
  	Marianne McCann  	Would be nice t'see some sorta something
  	Marigold Devin  	Maybe your post was pulled because it was a reply to someone else's and there's got pulled, you got caught in the fallout?
  	Darrius Gothly  	When we get notified though, that counts against our "three strikes" .. right?
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	ok Amanda
  	Amanda Linden  	depends.
  	  	sometimes yes. sometimes no.
  	  	depends on the content.
13:56 	  	sometimes it's just a friendly reminder.
  	Venus Petrov  	Amanda, so the resident referral bonus is still 'real'? is that what I heard you say?
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	no Marigold .. not the ase
  	Amanda Linden  	yes, it's real.
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	case
  	Darrius Gothly  	The notifications sent differentiate which is which then?
  	Amanda Linden  	i just confirmed.
  	Venus Petrov  	thank you.
  	Marigold Devin  	Tell me later, Wilhiam ;-))
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	ok
  	Amanda Linden  	through the affiliate program.
  	  	:)
  	Mags Indigo  	only within the first 30 days though?
  	Amanda Linden  	whatever is up on that wiki is up to date
  	Dee  	Amanda is there a life span on warnings?
  	Amanda Linden  	(not my program)
  	  	we'll see. we're only a month in.
13:57 	  	but, all warnings during the first week won't count towards your warning count.
  	Darrius Gothly  	suggests a life span of 30 minutes. *cheeky grin*
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  	Lexie  	lol
  	Mags Indigo  	wonders if Amanda was a schoolteacher in her previous life
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  	Amanda Linden  	i think if enough time goes by, the old ones won't count.
  	  	not sure. we can talk about it together and make the right decision as a group. how does that sound?
  	Dee  	kk thats what I'm looking at
  	Peewee Musytari  	cos u will have so many newer ones?
  	Amanda Linden  	ha mags.
  	  	in tech marketing my whole career.
  	Darrius Gothly  	Seriously though .. they should have a life span that's reasonable. With a large "Lifetime Max" too.
13:58 	Dee  	I look for one a year
  	Mags Indigo  	hmmm
13:59 	Amanda Linden  	well, let's revisit in a few months.
  	  	i'm totally open.
  	Darrius Gothly  	TY
  	Venus Petrov  	I guess they might be considered similar to HR warnings in employee files.
  	Marianne McCann  	Gotta scoot.. Have fun, all!
  	Torben  	bye MAri
  	Darrius Gothly  	TC Marianne
  	Amanda Linden  	ok all. think that's abou tit.
  	Marigold Devin  	waves at Mari Number 1 ;-)
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  	Amanda Linden  	bout it
  	Dee  	4 months wait was that out loud
  	COCOON  	tc Marianne
  	Amanda Linden  	thanks to everyone who attended today.
  	Lexie  	Thanks for coming today
  	Amanda Linden  	great session.
  	Marianne McCann  	wave at Other Mari
''
  	Darrius Gothly  	Amanda!! Watch your language! LOL
  	Marianne McCann  	Bye Bye!!
  	Torben  	bye all
  	Amanda Linden  	ha
  	Lexie  	Bye for now!
  	Mags Indigo  	thanks Linden people
  	Venus Petrov  	did i see 'tit'?
  	DogWomble Dollinger  	thanks lindens
  	Venus Petrov  	as in mouse?
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	thanx
  	Mags Indigo  	see you all soon everyone
  	  	:-)
  	Peewee Musytari  	modding and censoring can be entertaining sometimes too...like the person that asked if you can ***bleep*** someone in sl and got a load of replies saying no there is no chat censor lol
  	COCOON  	MOUSE WHERE????
  	Marigold Devin  	Thanks Amanda/Lexie all for listening, and for what has already been done for us
  	Amanda Linden  	hey, i just posted a blog post about jiggles.
  	COCOON  	O.o *mew* *mew* o.O
  	  	☠ °•·.·´¯`·.·•✰ ◕‿◕ ✰•·.·´¯`·.·•☠
  	Mags Indigo  	be good or have fun
  	Amanda Linden  	;)
  	Mags Indigo  	whichever
14:00 	COCOON  	bye all ^^
  	Amanda Linden  	bye.
  	Venus Petrov  	laughs
  	Tsaheylu  	BYE BYE
  	Peewee Musytari  	bye alll good meeting
  	Catwise Yoshikawa  	bye
  	Wilhiam Hydraconis  	bye bye bye bye .. and bye ..and you .. bye .
  	Amanda Linden  	jeremy/rand, can you grab transcript?
  	Venus Petrov  	bye all
  	Dee  	byeeee
  	Dresden Ceriano  	bye everybody
  	Rand  	yes
  	Darrius Gothly  	will post one too .. like last week.
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  	Jeremy Linden  	Working on it
  	Marigold Devin  	waves and poofs - BB see you at Oskar's later maybe - he's got the big cheese there I think
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14:01 	Rand  	Bye!
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