Adult Content User Group/06/20/2011

==Attendees List==
*Clovis Luik (clovis.luik)
*Couldbe (couldbe)
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*FooBar (foobar)
*Ginette Pinazzo (ginette.pinazzo)
*Hypatia Meili (hypatia.meili)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Kaleu Voir (kaleu.voir)
*Kraptacular Kat (kraptacular.kat)
*Lexie (lexie)
*Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik (saxoni.fenstalker-luik)
*Slaton Linden (slaton.linden)
*Viale (viale)
*Vick Forcella (vick.forcella)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
==Transcript for Monday June 20, 2011==
[11:04]	Zada Bury 	Heya I see blue!
[11:05]	Couldbe 	still as chatty as ever I see
[11:05]	Viale 	Hello
[11:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Hi Viale
[11:05]	Zada Bury 	WElcome to Viale and Slaton
[11:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Hi Slaton
[11:05]	Slaton Linden 	Hello everyone
[11:05]	Viale 	Ok with text chat?
[11:05]	Zada Bury 	That's only text chat, here
[11:05]	Hypatia Meili 	usualy is
[11:05]	Viale 	cool
[11:05]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Hello SLaton and Viale
[11:05]	Clovis Luik 	hello
[11:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	welcoem to ACUG
[11:05]	Zada Bury 	The sim is laggy, if we here
[11:05]	Viale 	Slaton and I will be attending these meetings going forward
[11:05]	Hypatia Meili 	inspite of th hipe most user do not use voice
[11:06]	Hypatia Meili 	its just onby default
[11:06]	Viale 	we have read the transcripts
[11:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	how far back did you go, Viale?
[11:06]	Viale 	I would like to propse the following discussion points
[11:06]	Viale 	zindra region
[11:06]	Viale 	zexpo region
[11:07]	Zada Bury 	Zada Bury rolling the car with folders in. "We have there some for you since 2010."
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[11:07]	Viale 	group ownership
[11:07]	Viale 	OK?
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	are we abanding the agenda for these points, Viale?
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili 	do not break th curent in the works zexpo please
[11:07]	Viale 	Yes
[11:07]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Sounds good to me viale
[11:07]	Viale 	since these were the main issues last week
[11:08]	Zada Bury 	Mmmm ... Ok.
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo 	last week wqas an anamoly that broke 18 months of progress....but ok
[11:08]	Hypatia Meili 	those workin onit need land access
[11:09]	Viale 	Tell me your thoughts on Zindra (region) within the estate. Should Linden remove this region?
[11:09]	Couldbe 	no
[11:09]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	No
[11:09]	Clovis Luik 	NO
[11:09]	Viale 	why is it useful?
[11:09]	Hypatia Meili 	no
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Ziundra the SIm......was to be come eventually soem sort of infoo and/or marekting areas
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo 	it can be useful if iyt is used as it was agreed upon back then , when Blondin agreed to make it part of the 4 Corners of Zindra plan. which we have bene adopting
[11:10]	Zada Bury 	It's a way to make the mainland stronger and become more interested for people.
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Zindra sim was propsoed to be renamed...such as Zindra Promenade
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	an reas for medium sized eevnts
[11:11]	Hypatia Meili 	a welcome to zindra point
[11:11]	Viale 	Is it succeeding as a welcome area?
[11:11]	Hypatia Meili 	it neds to be obvious tho that its not ALL of zindra
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its barely developed yet....at first it was a marketing nightmare because of its name
[11:11]	Clovis Luik 	Zindra should be the welcome Hub for the continent
[11:11]	Zada Bury 	It is created with some buildings from the moles as "Mall".
[11:12]	Couldbe 	I've never understood why it was not made into another welcome area
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Clovis..it COULD be, but Podyan is being developed as aboth an Adult and Modetare area welcoeming center
[11:12]	Slaton Linden 	Is Zindra sim really being used effectively as a starting location at this point though?
[11:12]	Couldbe 	no
[11:12]	Innula Zenovka 	no, Slaton, it isn't
[11:12]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	It could be successful if made into a welcome area for the contintent
[11:12]	Hypatia Meili 	not yet
[11:12]	Clovis Luik 	no its not being used effectively
[11:12]	Innula Zenovka 	but that's not for want of trying
[11:12]	Zada Bury 	Actually not.
[11:12]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Not right now no
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	at this point, Slaton, it ws on the next area to be developed, after teh Vortex has been
[11:12]	Viale 	Ok
[11:12]	Couldbe 	the build was only part completed and was supposed to become part of the lottery
[11:12]	Couldbe 	but the lottery was cancelled before we had the chance to participate
[11:13]	Viale 	sounds like everyone wants this starting point
[11:13]	Couldbe 	and so it has languished ever since
[11:13]	Viale 	Can you as a community - select 4 residents to manage this piece
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton, we were working on a big, long term plan...thats sim is/was part of it
[11:13]	Zada Bury 	It was used for some events. Maybe there was an other plan at the moles, becasue it seems to be planed as a mall.
[11:13]	Viale 	Please present these managers next week
[11:13]	Couldbe 	part of your plan perhaps but not agreed by the rest of us ginette
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo 	agred on by LL, Couldbe
[11:14]	Hypatia Meili 	no we cant sevral neigh sayer
[11:14]	Hypatia Meili 	wee ned a neutrl to mediate selection
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viale,m youi woudl ned to see the overall 4 cornmers program and see hwo it fits.....to get the best oicture
[11:14]	Zada Bury 	We will look for some, all agree with ... ok, "the most agree", Ciale.
[11:14]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	apparently not agreed upon by LL it seems
[11:14]	Viale 	We need community involvement or you will have status quo
[11:14]	Hypatia Meili 	we can nominate
[11:14]	Viale 	We cannot manage the community for you
[11:15]	Couldbe 	we don't want you to manage the community
[11:15]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	what do you envision the managers doing viale?
[11:15]	Couldbe 	we just want you to deal with the issues that we raise
[11:15]	Couldbe 	you make your decision in light of what you percieve is best for LL
[11:15]	Zada Bury 	Have you some wishes for these managers? Preferences? Orders?
[11:15]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viale, Slaton, are you open to receving documenation that gets you 'up tpo speed' on such areas?
[11:16]	Couldbe 	why can't you just make that one a welcome area and be done with it
[11:16]	Ginette Pinazzo 	first item abt that sim is it nees to be renamed....that an argument that needs ot be settled soon
[11:16]	Viale 	LL doesnt want to manage the day to day of the sim
[11:16]	Couldbe 	you can appoint however many managers you want for the expo sims as that has very little to do with the rest of us
[11:16]	Ginette Pinazzo 	because Podyan is the welcoem area
[11:16]	Ginette Pinazzo 	or will be
[11:16]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	and so can Zindra be
[11:16]	Clovis Luik 	podyan is an island detached from anything
[11:17]	Ginette Pinazzo 	and Podyan will be veen better because its both Moderate and Adult
[11:17]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Zindra region is in the middle of the continent
[11:17]	Zada Bury 	Heya Lexie.
[11:17]	Innula Zenovka 	what do you mean by "managing the day to day of the sim"? Checking the sim fps and restarting it if necessary, dealing with griefers and so on, like my sim managers do?
[11:17]	Viale 	You guys decide this approach or keep the zindra sim as is. Let us know for next week
[11:18]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	ok
[11:18]	Clovis Luik 	sounds good
[11:18]	Innula Zenovka 	or will the managers have more far-reaching powers, like turning it into a welcome area or organising a lottery for the commercial space there?
[11:18]	Couldbe 	no you need to do it. if you think that it's in LLs best interests to roll it in with the expo, fine.
[11:18]	Couldbe 	if you want to turn it into a hub - fine
[11:18]	Couldbe 	don't go pushing this back onto us
[11:18]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viale. Slaton...so you dotn want any material for catch up? Im not going to botehr gatehring material if you dotn want it
[11:19]	Clovis Luik 	Zindra should be the welcome hub events should be elsewhere
[11:19]	Clovis Luik 	end of story
[11:19]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Ziundar CANNOT stay the name of that sim;...its a marketing nightmare...we must discss thast during the week
[11:19]	Hypatia Meili 	ok we need to have another meeting, just the residents then
[11:19]	Couldbe 	agreed Clovis
[11:19]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	I agree also Clovis
[11:19]	Viale 	no catch up necessary - moving forward
[11:19]	Viale 	Zexpo
[11:19]	Couldbe 	we agreed months ago that the name should be changed
[11:19]	Viale 	what is the issue here?
[11:19]	Ginette Pinazzo 	zexpo is rthe name of the event on that island curerntly...
[11:19]	Couldbe 	it's not our fault if blondin didn't run with it
[11:19]	Ginette Pinazzo 	teher isnt any issue
[11:20]	Couldbe 	however - Zindra must stay part of it's name
[11:20]	Slaton Linden 	GineDancer, sounds like a smart approach, but you all should decide together if it's 3, 5 whatever. Point is that Ginette, we're focused on moving fwd, so don't need a catch up. Thank you though
[11:20]	Couldbe 	and it should stay where it is
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(yes Zindar MUST be in the name...but not the entiryet of ots name)
[11:20]	Viale 	should zexpo be a group or a place or both
[11:20]	Couldbe 	ffs ginette - we went through this months ago
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ZEXPO is the namew of thge event
[11:20]	Couldbe 	are you deliberately being contentious?
[11:20]	Hypatia Meili 	it is curently needed to runth upcomin expo or we wont have one
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo 	couldbe ..we went rthrough it....and it was approved the way Im saying)
[11:21]	Hypatia Meili 	evenif we do something difre later
[11:21]	Lexie 	No personal attacks in this meeting. Keep it nice folks. Thanks
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the island is knoown as ZEXPO Island, but we have seasonal events there
[11:21]	Zada Bury 	"ZExpo" (short for "Zindra Esxpo...sition") is the name of an Event. It is also the name of a Group (Zindra EXPO).
[11:21]	Viale 	does everytone want zexpo to exist for events or just a group for event updates
[11:21]	Hypatia Meili 	it is a land aces group for th even lands
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the events are KEY to building PR...its been proven
[11:21]	Couldbe 	I have no preference as it has nothing to do with me or my interests
[11:21]	Viale 	Where is counter
[11:21]	Hypatia Meili 	with out the land we wont have expos
[11:22]	Zada Bury 	At the weekend he was out of town.
[11:22]	Hypatia Meili 	seasonal or other wise
[11:22]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Counter has been having trouble getting access to online
[11:22]	Viale 	OK
[11:22]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I am not sure what the iissue with ZEXPO the island is...of the Zindra Expo group, for that matter
[11:23]	Slaton Linden 	Who's involved w/ the Expo now?
[11:23]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I am producing it, along with a team of abt 15 peoepl
[11:23]	Viale 	who are the key event managers for the upcoming august event?
[11:23]	Kaleu Voir 	Greetings i am kaleu
[11:23]	Zada Bury 	Ginette leading this special event.
[11:24]	Zada Bury 	But we are a team, which makes the different parts.
[11:24]	Viale 	we will need to assign a group owner for zexpo
[11:24]	Ginette Pinazzo 	are you talking about the event..or the group...because its differehnt entities
[11:24]	Viale 	zexpo group owner is blonden - correct?
[11:24]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	it was
[11:24]	Hypatia Meili 	yes
[11:25]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes
[11:25]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its an LL group and needs tro stay that way
[11:25]	Zada Bury 	Yes, he was creating the group.
[11:25]	Viale 	we need a new owner
[11:25]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	a resident?
[11:25]	Slaton Linden 	both, really. We want to remove ourselves from any part requiring management
[11:25]	Hypatia Meili 	LL can assing officer as needed
[11:25]	Couldbe 	I would say it needs to be closed and if ginette wants to set up a new group for people interested in the expo she should
[11:25]	Zada Bury 	Can we make it the 5(?) which also make the Zindra-sim?
[11:25]	Hypatia Meili 	hmm
[11:25]	Viale 	yes
[11:25]	Viale 	yes Zada
[11:25]	Viale 	that would be good
[11:26]	Ginette Pinazzo 	No Couldbe! you are trying to undo abt 18 months of hard work by hundreds of peoepl!
[11:26]	Hypatia Meili 	ther wont be an expo with out the LL land!
[11:26]	Zada Bury 	Is it then ok, we tell you next week?
[11:26]	Hypatia Meili 	does any one get that?
[11:26]	Viale 	Next week
[11:26]	Ginette Pinazzo 	you dotn have to manage, Slaton...but ownrship itself can be passive
[11:26]	Couldbe 	I would suggest that LL close the group
[11:26]	Slaton Linden 	Coulbie, why do you say it should be closed off?
[11:26]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	SO Zexpo will become a resident owned group that has control over linden owned land?
[11:26]	Hypatia Meili 	and killthe expo?
[11:26]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Couldbe.....what in ehavens anme are yuou saying?
[11:27]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viuale.....Slaton....I need to addres sthis...can i say soemthing?
[11:27]	Couldbe 	because the word expo has become associated with one particular even there rather than the original intention and I won't bore you with the politics of it
[11:28]	Couldbe 	I would recommend that the group be closed and after the zexpo the regions be removed until the event next year
[11:28]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the success of everything Zindra Expo ngroup is done is trackable....the succcess of events on that iusland..trackable.......
[11:28]	Hypatia Meili 	ther ar multiple expos in SL
[11:28]	Zada Bury 	I agree in this point with Dancer. Manageing we can ... but als some Linden-staff showing would be look ... good.
[11:29]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I woudl suggest to thr Lindenss to recognize that therte is progress...and there is regression...why do you want to regress whenweve done so much?
[11:29]	Zada Bury 	Not they would have to do something/much.
[11:29]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ZE being an LL group has always presented a clear message that LL really 'supports' Zindra and adult SL in general. This is important to reverse public perception that LL has abandoned Adult. ZE has evolved to be a positive force with trackable results. At a time when LL needs strong marketing direction, this is a win-win. the last thing you'd ever want to do is turn ZE into resident-owned because.. a) LL groups that become resident-owned historically fall apart b) structural changes should not be undertaken while we re in the midst of transition, especially as we've been doing well and on an upward spiral (as far as PR goes) c) LL needs to continue to show support of Zindra and Adult, and this group is main way to do that
[11:29]	Couldbe 	it's not undoing the work. It's being pragmatic about the resources and the benefits for LL and the community
[11:29]	Viale 	We need 4-5 Residents to partner with us on responible for zexpo and zindra sim
[11:30]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viale.,.,.,you need to clarify whether tyour referring to ZEXPO Island (the land and its events) or the group Zindra Expo.....its a difefernce in each case
[11:30]	Zada Bury 	*nods* We will.
[11:30]	Hypatia Meili 	Couldbe, and how would you sugest that we continue the program without the group?
[11:30]	Hypatia Meili 	i agre there are problems
[11:30]	Viale 	All things Zexpo
[11:31]	Couldbe 	what is the programme Hypatia?
[11:31]	Viale 	Ok
[11:31]	Hypatia Meili 	on goin events
[11:31]	Couldbe 	and if its about the zindra community then I would suggest a Zindra community group outside of LL control should be more appropriate
[11:31]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viale...Slaton..I can present to you a 'progfarm'; thats bene written and HEAVIULY supported by ZE
[11:31]	Hypatia Meili 	thatis a difren topic actulty
[11:32]	Viale 	Do you guys want to go back to the agenda for the next 30 min
[11:32]	Hypatia Meili 	ZEXPO is th land group for events
[11:32]	Hypatia Meili 	now th questionhas beemis should it alos fuction as a comunuty group
[11:32]	Zada Bury 	The "Zexpo" (like other Events, for example the "Art Maze") are useing 4 Sims, which make an island there: Distrel (128,128,25) These Sims are LL-owned.
[11:32]	Ginette Pinazzo 	no actually ZEXPO is just the name of an enet....and that island...the group is a bit more
[11:32]	Slaton Linden 	Couldbe, that is what we want. The group should not be under LL management
[11:32]	Viale 	+1 Slaton
[11:32]	Ginette Pinazzo 	why Slaton?
[11:33]	Viale 	SL is about the residents - not lindens
[11:33]	Couldbe 	then I really do strongly recommend that the group be closed and people given the option of joining a resident group
[11:33]	Innula Zenovka 	i like the idea of a separate Zindra Community Group.. leaves us more scope here to discuss issues about adult content and policies that affect everyone, not just ones parochial to Zindra
[11:33]	Hypatia Meili 	it controls LL land whatis th deal then in light of that?
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I agree......but you dotn see many ewxamples iof LL-owned groups that have reallyu help set up a foundation, inspirinf residenst to do the same?
[11:33]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Agreed Innula
[11:34]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the perception out there is often that LL is abadoning adulkt and Zindra.....thius action would only add fuel to that fire
[11:34]	Hypatia Meili 	yes it would
[11:34]	Hypatia Meili 	I also donot see why evemif it is not a comunty group as such we can not share comunty news in it
[11:34]	Hypatia Meili 	it is fullof comunity residents
[11:34]	Viale 	Are there other agenda items that you would like to address?
[11:34]	Ginette Pinazzo 	closing it, etc will KILL ZEWXPO, the events...the entire past 18 months, and will make this worse than it is now
[11:35]	Couldbe 	LL has abandoned adult content - a group with their name on it will not change that
[11:35]	Hypatia Meili 	its not nessary to mange it full time
[11:35]	Hypatia Meili 	just hold over seeing powers
[11:35]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes I d liek to presenbt my item a bt meeting, from the agenda
[11:35]	Hypatia Meili 	hey counter
[11:35]	Counter Landfall 	Hi everyone
[11:35]	Ginette Pinazzo 	'the 'How to have Better ACUG Meetings' items
[11:35]	Clovis Luik 	Hi Counter
[11:36]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Hey COunter
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Ill procveed if you want, Lindens
[11:36]	Viale 	please
[11:37]	Viale 	Its your meeting
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ok...
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	PREMISE......
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I believe a lot of the dysfunction in the meetings can be addressed and turned into very positive energy with an improved meeting format and chairperson style. There are so many benefits that the right attitude can bring to meetings, so that they actually become fun and productive. Not only can we minimize negative behaviors, but we can encourage more involvement with the right set of 'meeting tools'........
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	If I were meeting chair, here are some techniques I would employ. (I would probably phase these in slowly, not all at once)........
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Before a meeting starts, I would ask for 3 quick volunteers:........
[11:38]	Viale 	can you guys nominate a chair and a format
[11:38]	Couldbe 	this is supposed to be a LL user group
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	1, SCRIBE........ ....someone who simply records the Chat Log, from start to finish, then edits the log later (to clean out any noise), then saves it in a notecard for future use. (what will we do with that transcript? that's a separate but important topic, but let's make sure we are getting it recorded first)........
[11:38]	Couldbe 	a LL person should be chairing it
[11:38]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	Yes - it should be run as the Lindends see fit
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	gee. I though that LL wanted OUT of managing things, eh?
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo 	2. GREETER....... ....someone who notes every person in the room, records the attendance, and welcomes any arrivals, including late arrivals. Later, the attendance record can be sent to Scribe to be included in transcript. .......
[11:39]	Couldbe 	you cannot keep pushing this stuff back onto us - I know it makes it convient when the time to blame comes but this is a LL responsibility
[11:39]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	This is LL office hour...or at least it used to be
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo 	couldbe...removing LL from ZE group is trhee worst form of 'pushing back evewr,,.,,now can i continue...as this is likely the :LAST meeting I will ever attend
[11:39]	Counter Landfall 	Is it not the adult user group meeting?
[11:39]	Hypatia Meili 	i nominate Ginnete but think, LL shold be running it. it is a "User group"
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo 	3. ASSISTANT....... Assists Chair in IM to remind if anyone's voice has not been heard, or who has been accidentally ignored. This is an effort to build more participation. Also, hands out items if necessary. .....
[11:40]	Counter Landfall 	what group?
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Here are two other meeting-related positions I would strongly encourage:.....
[11:40]	Hypatia Meili 	this meeting
[11:40]	Viale 	we would like to be more of a listening partner
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo 	1. WIKI MANAGER Helps keep the agenda wiki clean and organised. Empowered to edit/shuffle items only if our procedure deems it necessary. During meetings, reminds everyone of the agenda URLs for agenda itself and each topic.......
[11:40]	Hypatia Meili 	first off
[11:41]	Ginette Pinazzo 	2. ADVOCATE(s)....... This person's name is prominently displayed on wiki and/or other literature as someone who can fairly present topics at meeting if the original person is not present. Multiple advocates might be necessary eventually.......This is very important improvement that starts to involve more people....people who cannot attend meetings!.......
[11:41]	Couldbe 	you are LL - the owners of this platform. There is no "listening partnership"
[11:41]	Zada Bury 	How are other OfficeHours working?
[11:41]	Vick Forcella 	Hi all :)
[11:41]	Ginette Pinazzo 	now...3 final enhacements.....(almost done..please listen!)
[11:41]	Viale 	Can you guys come up with an agreed upon format and we will review
[11:41]	Ginette Pinazzo 	1. The CPG........ As LL states: "All Residents who join user groups must comply with the new Community Participation Guidelines" ....... I would insist we try to follow those Guidelines at meetings. They are mostly common sense, and prohibit a lot of the Harassment, Insults and Flaming that we've experienced here in the past........ http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Community_Participation_Guidelines
[11:42]	Hypatia Meili 	ther ar no offcie hours , just User groups now
[11:42]	Zada Bury 	Heya Vick.
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	2. ANNOUNCEMENTS..... I'd probably also include a very short Announcements segment, whereby anyone can announce an item (an event, activity, whatever) that would be of interest or use to Zindra, or adult SL.
[11:42]	Vick Forcella 	I see Lindens, always good for business
[11:42]	Couldbe 	only after you tell us the scope and objectives of this office hour of yours Viale - the format is obviously dependent on that
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	finally....
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	3. CHALLENGE TOPICS At the end of every meeting, I would issue a special 'Challenge Topic', designed to get everyone thinking about a problem so they can bring proposed solutions to next meeting. The emphasis will always be on proposals and solutions, not just endless banter. The idea is to also encourage people to get together during the week and brainstorm, to develop ideas that they finally present at a future meeting. Of course, people can suggest their own Challenge Topic after we've got a good rhythm going....
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Typical Topics might be: ...... - Programs that might attract more businesses to open offices in Zindra...... - Programs that might help beautify Zindra..... - Programs that will help market Adult Side of Second Life offworld.......
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	CONCLUSION....... I think with a format that encourages more interaction, and really solicits new ideas for the residents, these meetings can become something which we might all anticpate with excitement.
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	FIN
[11:43]	Kaleu Voir 	Bravo
[11:43]	Innula Zenovka 	why Zindra all the time? it's not the only adult content on the grid, and it's certainly not that typical
[11:43]	Counter Landfall 	Counter Landfall wonders why we are defining formats of Linde Lab meetings?
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[11:43]	Ginette Pinazzo 	thoughts, Lindens?
[11:43]	Counter Landfall 	don't you guys have a set standard for the format and what you want to accheive in these meetings?
[11:43]	Ginette Pinazzo 	if you look at the otehr user goup meetings, they are all different
[11:43]	Counter Landfall 	what are the purpose of these meetings : question to Linden Lab
[11:43]	Hypatia Meili 	becaus LL said they dont wan to run it any more, if i followed that right
[11:43]	Couldbe 	I think that issues around zindra should go to the mainland meeting on a wednesday (? can't remember the day)
[11:44]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	you guys meaning Lindens, Counter?
[11:44]	Counter Landfall 	Indded
[11:44]	Counter Landfall 	this is their meeting
[11:44]	Counter Landfall 	what is the purpose of having these meetings Linden lab rep?
[11:44]	Viale 	we will continue to moderate
[11:44]	Hypatia Meili 	apparently none :(
[11:44]	Vick Forcella 	You are incorrect Counter. We set the agenda, Linden Lab is here to assist
[11:44]	Couldbe 	moderate what?
[11:44]	Viale 	howeveer, it will be more productive if you run it
[11:45]	Slaton Linden 	Ginette, we'll take a look and circle back, but as we've stated throughout this meeting it's really a decision for you as community to decide
[11:45]	Counter Landfall 	thse meetings are organized by Linden Lab per the wiki and the blog post on these meetings?
[11:45]	Counter Landfall 	so what is the corporate purpose of having these meetings?
[11:45]	Vick Forcella 	no, it's our meeting, we are in control
[11:45]	Couldbe 	it's a user group viale - if LL does not want to run it then cancel it
[11:45]	Couldbe 	simple
[11:46]	Viale 	Is that what you guys want
[11:46]	Couldbe 	if we wanted to get together to organise something between ourselves we would, and we have
[11:46]	Counter Landfall 	agree Couldbe
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ok.......eevryone..lets hera comments on what I just proposed...ok? anyone? anything Productive to say?
[11:46]	Vick Forcella 	Linden Lab is here to pull a sting out, and give us many free sims
[11:46]	Couldbe 	no but that's what you want
[11:46]	Counter Landfall 	Could the rep from Linden LB EXPLAIN WHAT ARE THE PURPOSE OF THESE MEETINGS?
[11:46]	Couldbe 	don't try blaming us for your decisions - we've all been around too long not to see that inevitable outcome
[11:46]	FooBar 	Personaly I think its about taking responsibility for the community that you created. Being independent from and not dependent on LL
[11:46]	Counter Landfall 	sorry for caps
[11:46]	Zada Bury 	Oh, we not want to cancel it.
[11:46]	Hypatia Meili 	its what some want, no idea why they attend then
[11:47]	Viale 	what are your expectattions from this meeting
[11:47]	Couldbe 	then what is the scope and the objectives of these meetings?
[11:47]	Counter Landfall 	dont turn the question please
[11:47]	Slaton Linden 	what are your expectations in terms of LL involvement in this meeting?
[11:47]	Counter Landfall 	why do you Linden Lab have these meetings?
[11:47]	Zada Bury 	"Enhances for our SLs here on an adult mainland".
[11:47]	Couldbe 	These are supposed to be LL run user groups - what does LL expect from these meetings?
[11:47]	Vick Forcella 	We want a listening ear so Linden Lab includes Adult in their advertising, since Second Life is Adult
[11:47]	Viale 	To support you
[11:47]	Counter Landfall 	let me quote the mmeo that was ent to Amanda
[11:48]	Counter Landfall 	from Zindra Allinace
[11:48]	Hypatia Meili 	we hav gotten booge downinth zexpo question but there ar other issues
[11:48]	Counter Landfall 	onse sec
[11:48]	Couldbe 	to support us in what?
[11:48]	Viale 	we are not managing your community. Just supporting it
[11:48]	Counter Landfall 	Our expectations to Linden Lab
[11:48]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ok..so no one has contructoive comments about the actiual proposal I managed to read out?
[11:48]	Hypatia Meili 	LLs suport on beter visiblity of adult to those who whish to aces it
[11:48]	Counter Landfall 	As described above, the majority of our members are business owners. – We are here to do business.
[11:48]	Couldbe 	this has nothing to do with managing the community - and there are many different communities here
[11:48]	Viale 	We will review Ginette
[11:49]	Viale 	Ok 10 min
[11:49]	Couldbe 	what I want to know is what LL have as an objective for user groups
[11:49]	Viale 	should we recap for next week
[11:49]	Couldbe 	this is supposed to be about zindra and adult content - they are not identical
[11:49]	Kraptacular Kat 	and linden lab should be aware that the adult industry in real life is second only to cosmetics and I dont doubt the same holds true here
[11:49]	Viale 	1) group to come up with 4-5 names to manage the zindra sim and zexpo group
[11:50]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viale...Slaton.....Ill go on record as saying you read a transcript from last week which was a real anamoly......and now those who wanted to derail ahve done so even more....I canrt say I want to be involvced in an unprofessional process anyore......
[11:50]	Kraptacular Kat 	adult content =money
[11:50]	Viale 	2) Viale and slaton to review proposals for meeting format
[11:50]	Couldbe 	breedables = money and I don't see a breedables usergroup
[11:50]	Ginette Pinazzo 	sorry....but how on earth can I continue the productoin of ZEXPO (for exampel) with this instabvility
[11:51]	Hypatia Meili 	breedables = lag
[11:51]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we are in transition, we need stability
[11:51]	Kraptacular Kat 	breedables= useless
[11:51]	Zada Bury 	shh
[11:51]	Couldbe 	possibly but huge money
[11:51]	Vick Forcella 	I agree, stability is the key at this moment
[11:51]	Kraptacular Kat 	and so is adult coulbe
[11:51]	Viale 	Please post your proposals for format on the wiki
[11:51]	Couldbe 	now perhaps before we start to talk formats LL should decide what the scope is and what the objective of a user group is
[11:52]	Zada Bury 	The Agenda is there, as you know.
[11:52]	Vick Forcella 	We define that Couldbe
[11:52]	Counter Landfall 	I still have not hear any other prupose of theis meeting but to organize the zexpo event group
[11:52]	Couldbe 	again I would recommend that zindra issues go to the mainland group because it is notionally mainland
[11:52]	Counter Landfall 	and some free sims
[11:52]	Couldbe 	and we leave the adult content for the monday meeting
[11:52]	Counter Landfall 	sis that why you instituted the adult content user group?
[11:52]	Ginette Pinazzo 	that is not true counter...these meetings do a lot when format is followed..you need to follow format to get involved
[11:52]	Counter Landfall 	ypou neet to take input not only from yourself Ginette
[11:52]	Counter Landfall 	I am asking Linden Lab
[11:53]	Couldbe 	they don't do anything for adult content
[11:53]	Innula Zenovka 	i would particularly welcome clarification about whether this group is about Adult Content or Zindra.. like Couldbe, I think local Zindra issues and initiatives belong somewhere else
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Lindens...there is soemthing called momentum....we have it...its been good....it is danegrous to make radical changes now
[11:53]	Hypatia Meili 	counter,, search concerns for adult, verfication proceces & info etc
[11:53]	Counter Landfall 	what is the prupose of the adult content user group and these meetings
[11:53]	Counter Landfall 	they ahve insituted themeeting
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	this has ALWAYS been a Zindar meeting, and then the Adulkt Content meetings meregd into it....its dual purpose now
[11:53]	Counter Landfall 	they must have a purpose
[11:53]	Vick Forcella 	To get help from Linden Lab
[11:53]	Hypatia Meili 	it was sarted for zindra but blondin expanded it to al adult
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	this was alwats first and foremkst about Zindra....now its two-part, which is fine if managed propeorly'
[11:53]	Counter Landfall 	I want to hear it from Linden lab, not you Ginette please
[11:54]	Vick Forcella 	promoting SL, Disneyfication, Adultverification
[11:54]	Hypatia Meili 	Zexpo is primarly zindra a promotion
[11:54]	Slaton Linden 	Couldbe, understood. We need to put a little more thought into what we, LL, wants to achieve with this meeting. We'll have a better answer to that question next week.
[11:54]	Vick Forcella 	We are in control Counter
[11:54]	Couldbe 	it was about adult content on zindra originally as when it was first set up all it was, was adult businesses
[11:54]	Kaleu Voir 	Eureka ----- I see you guys have a problem in manage the situation ,LL dont have time ,you guys dont get what you need and want ,why not create a main manager ,that have time to create meetings listen and bring to LL ?
[11:54]	Couldbe 	Then once you have your objectives Slaton, we can work with that to make this run smoothly
[11:55]	Counter Landfall 	exactly Couldbe
[11:55]	Vick Forcella 	If we are better organised we can make LL jump though hoops if we want to
[11:55]	Slaton Linden 	Couldbe, we're in total agreement that this must be a business relationship and not one of LL commenity management
[11:55]	Viale 	sounds good
[11:55]	Vick Forcella 	jump thought loops?
[11:55]	Clovis Luik 	agreed
[11:55]	Vick Forcella 	hehe
[11:55]	Viale 	Thanks everyone
[11:56]	Zada Bury 	Thank you, two.
[11:56]	Clovis Luik 	TY
[11:56]	Vick Forcella 	Is that a goodbye, so early?
[11:56]	Zada Bury 	Lexie is gone, or?
[11:56]	Vick Forcella 	Lexie is not gone
[11:56]	FooBar 	\o/ yah
[11:56]	Zada Bury 	Gone from the meeting.
[11:56]	Ginette Pinazzo 	congratulations again...youuve managed to toss more wrenches..........ciao'
[11:56]	Hypatia Meili 	will we keep sein difren Lindens here?
[11:57]	Couldbe 	for the first time in years I'm almost optimistic we might get something good out of this
[11:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	sure you are couldbe...sure you are......
[11:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ciao
[11:57]	Vick Forcella 	we just need to get owr own act together
[11:57]	Couldbe 	did she just flounce out again?
[11:57]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	apparently
[11:57]	Vick Forcella 	looks like it
[11:57]	Couldbe 	Couldbe rolls my eyes heavenwards
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[11:58]	Vick Forcella 	wow, do that again
[11:58]	Saxoni Fenstalker-Luik	lol
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