Bug triage/2010-03-04/Transcript

* [2:30] Davy Linden: Today's agenda: [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Thursday_AgendBug Triage
* [2:30] Louise Linden: I guess you guys have both been using 2.0 right?
* [2:31] Harleen Gretzky: Yes, for a while now
* [2:31] Ardy Lay: I tried to. After 5 weeks I gave up and went back to Snowglobe.
* [2:31] Davy Linden: shall we get started?
* [2:31] Louise Linden: why not!
* [2:31] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/ VWR-17212 - Coalesced object groups no longer have a sep & distinct icon type in inventory in viewer 2.0
* [2:32] Davy Linden: this needs to be fixed
* [2:32] Davy Linden: importing
* [2:32] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17006 - expanding and closing the sidebar moves what you're viewing, making the illusion of a world less real
* [2:32] Louise Linden: thanks! that needs to be sorted
* [2:33] Ardy Lay: This is one of my big issues with 2.0
* [2:33] Louise Linden: so the sidebar
* [2:33] Ardy Lay: Some love it some hate it.
* [2:33] Davy Linden: the problem here is that some people love it, and some hate it
* [2:33] Davy Linden: exactly
* [2:33] Louise Linden: yeah
* [2:34] Louise Linden: IMHO it would be nice to have the option, either slide over, or compress the view
* [2:35] Ardy Lay: I wrote BTEST-183, linked to this.
* [2:35] Louise Linden: I think be best course of action with this is for us to import it and discuss it intrnally
* [2:35] Louise Linden: *if it's not already logged!
* [2:36] Davy Linden: ok - I'll check if it already exists, and import if noot
* [2:36] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17130 - "Build" missing from contexural menu when clicking prims.
* [2:36] Davy Linden: I know this already exists in EXT
* [2:36] Louise Linden: the sidebar if prob a dupe of Ardy's davy
* [2:37] Harleen Gretzky: I've hated this since it was put in :)
* [2:37] Davy Linden: ok
* [2:37] Louise Linden: the menus? or lack of build harleen?
* [2:37] Harleen Gretzky: lack of build
* [2:37] Louise Linden: yeah, you're not alone there
* [2:37] Davy Linden: there are builders (me included) who use mouse to build, not keyboard shortcuts
* [2:38] Louise Linden: Davy, did you say this was already logged internally?
* [2:38] Davy Linden: I'll uopdate the internal (EXT) issue
* [2:38] Louise Linden: great,
* [2:38] Harleen Gretzky: Me too
* [2:38] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-16964 - PLEASE allow adjustable transparency of "Nearby Chat" window, Chat History and Chat "Toasts" in Viewer 2.0!
* [2:39] Davy Linden: there's already a resident xml hack to do this - which shows it's wanted
* [2:40] Louise Linden: Another one I'd like to see
* [2:40] Davy Linden: yeah
* [2:40] Harleen Gretzky: Isn't this more of a featrue request
* [2:40] Louise Linden: well sort of, its a loss of functionality from 1.23
* [2:40] Davy Linden: possibly - proably an ext "design isue"
* [2:40] Davy Linden: issue*
* [2:41] Louise Linden: yeah, it's unlikely to get fixed in the next few days, but it is something that needs address IMHO
* [2:41] Davy Linden: I'll see if it already exists, iomport if not
* [2:41] Louise Linden: I don't like losing functionality, I doubt anyone else does either
* [2:41] Louise Linden: yup please dacy
* [2:41] Louise Linden: *davy
* [2:41] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17009 - Suppressing UI works just partially.
* [2:41] Louise Linden: needs to learn to type today
* [2:42] Davy Linden: this is important for machinima
* [2:42] Louise Linden: well that repro's, import please!
* [2:42] Davy Linden: ok
* [2:42] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17068 - Viewer 2 Beta: Inventory doesn't show number of items.
* [2:43] Davy Linden: this is strange - inventory FLOATER shows count of items, but side-panel inventory does not
* [2:43] Louise Linden: hmm so number on the Inv floater, but not sidebar...
* [2:43] Ardy Lay: Inventory windows still has a count but sidebar does not. Yes
* [2:43] Louise Linden: well thats supre helpful
* [2:43] Louise Linden: :s
* [2:43] Louise Linden: import that one
* [2:43] Davy Linden: ok
* [2:43] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-16978 - 'Inspect' is missing from Viewer 2.0
* [2:43] Louise Linden: I'm sure there used to be a count on the sidebar once upon a time
* [2:44] Harleen Gretzky: Don't remember one
* [2:44] Ardy Lay: This one is getting bigtime major screaming points.
* [2:44] Louise Linden: maybe the count was a 'really' early build
* [2:44] Louise Linden: inspect
* [2:45] Ardy Lay: People are accusing LL of wanting to make it impossible to file DMCA
* [2:45] Louise Linden: I believe that's already bening worked oninternally
* [2:45] Louise Linden: *internally
* [2:45] Davy Linden: that's my understanding too - but I will make sure
* [2:45] Louise Linden: thanks, can you link the issues when you find the internal one
* [2:45] Ardy Lay: Marked Fixed on Beta-4
* [2:45] Davy Linden: will do
* [2:45] Louise Linden: No Ardy, it was just a good old fashioned bug
* [2:45] Louise Linden: :)
* [2:46] Louise Linden: cool beta 4 isn't too far off
* [2:47] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17005 - viewing multiple profiles
* [2:47] Davy Linden: this is a design issue
* [2:47] Louise Linden: this falls into the ability to tear off side bar
* [2:48] Louise Linden: which is another one I think people would like to see
* [2:48] Louise Linden: Can we import as a Design EXT and generate some discussion on it? if it's not already?
* [2:48] Davy Linden: ok
* [2:48] Ardy Lay: Personally, I find the sidebar, once it's parts are "tearable", to be redundent. We are back to the floaters again.
* [2:49] Ardy Lay: Which is fine with me as the sidebar is one of the reasons I quit using V2
* [2:49] Louise Linden: I think having the ability to choose would make a big differenc
* [2:49] Louise Linden: *e
* [2:50] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-16967 - Dynamic screen width disrupts scripted HUD positions
* [2:50] Louise Linden: so HUDs move, just not quite as I'd expect.
* [2:50] Ardy Lay: Also marked Fixed in Beta-4
* [2:50] Davy Linden: where are you seeing tht, ardy?
* [2:50] Harleen Gretzky: I've never had this issue for some reason
* [2:50] Ardy Lay: EXT-5451
* [2:51] Louise Linden: Harleen., i've noticed when you attach top right mostly
* [2:51] Davy Linden: I see it
* [2:51] Louise Linden: i think it's more obvious next to the sidebar
* [2:51] Louise Linden: not so much anywhere else
* [2:51] Davy Linden: so - altready exists / fixed... will just note that on VWR versino
* [2:51] Harleen Gretzky: JIRA soecifically excludes top right
* [2:52] Harleen Gretzky: "Reproducable with a common ZHAO II animation overrider attached to any side (not top, bottom, or center) HUD attachment point."
* [2:52] Louise Linden: hmm maybe mines attached and moved...
* [2:53] Davy Linden: shall we wait for beta 4 to see?
* [2:53] Harleen Gretzky: Sounds like a plan
* [2:53] Louise Linden: Davy can we check i't linked to the correct issues
* [2:53] Louise Linden: I think there are a few dupes floating around
* [2:53] Davy Linden: will do
* [2:53] Louise Linden: thanks
* [2:54] Louise Linden: but sounds like it'll be fixed in the next release! :)
* [2:54] Louise Linden: next up davy...
* [2:54] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17016 - Chat 'toasts/popups' should be resizeable and fade time should be changeable, like we used to have. This is VERY important in busy areas.
* [2:54] Louise Linden: this is along the same lines as the transparency
* [2:54] Davy Linden: another design issue - but important to a lot of people
* [2:54] Louise Linden: lack of customisation
* [2:55] Louise Linden: yeah, link it to the other one as relates to
* [2:55] Louise Linden: and add it to the design pike
* [2:55] Louise Linden: *pile
* [2:55] Davy Linden: ok
* [2:56] Louise Linden: maybe worth creating a meta issue for this as there are a few parts to it
* [2:56] Davy Linden: hi lufpleh
* [2:56] Louise Linden: morning
* [2:56] [[User:lufpleh Obstreperous|lufpleh ObstreperouBug Triage]: Hi all, sorry Harleen
* [2:56] Davy Linden: we're working from [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Thursday_AgendBug Triage
* [2:57] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17049 - Object properties difficult for designers to use
* [2:57] Louise Linden: a workaround would be to open the inventory floater window.
* [2:58] Louise Linden: Again another one that *could* be solved with tear offs
* [2:58] Louise Linden: Davy can we link to the other tear off issue and import as design issue?
* [2:59] Davy Linden: ok
* [2:59] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17011 - DO NOT take focus away from the chat bar!
* [2:59] Davy Linden: this is annoying!
* [2:59] Harleen Gretzky: very
* [2:59] Davy Linden: I think there are a couple of other 'focus' issues too
* [3:00] Louise Linden: yeah it's another difference in behaviour from 1.23
* [3:00] Davy Linden: already exists in EXT
* [3:01] Louise Linden: cool, link please?
* [3:01] Louise Linden: oh wait already linked!
* [3:01] Ardy Lay: Also marked fixed in Beta-4
* [3:01] Davy Linden: great
* [3:01] Davy Linden: ty ardy
* [3:01] Davy Linden: I'll comment on VWR issue
* [3:02] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-16993 - When I click on an object in-world it stays highlighted (like a selection-highlight).
* [3:02] Davy Linden: this is already known - but no apparent progress. I'll chase up on this
* [3:03] Louise Linden: thanks, I think a lot of people would like to see that fixed
* [3:03] Harleen Gretzky: Well it got bettter since t first started happening in Beta
* [3:03] Davy Linden: true
* [3:03] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-16988 - llInstantMessage() Chat not shown in Chat
* [3:04] Harleen Gretzky: This is annoying too!
* [3:04] Davy Linden: again - fixed in beta 4
* [3:04] Harleen Gretzky: cool
* [3:04] Louise Linden: can we get the right links added please Davy?
* [3:04] Davy Linden: yeah
* [3:04] Louise Linden: *links to dupe currently
* [3:05] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17102 - "Play" and "Pause" buttons reversed
* [3:05] Louise Linden: looks like it's already logged internally
* [3:06] Ardy Lay: This started in Beta-3 I think.
* [3:06] Ardy Lay: The media controls got changed between 2 and 3
* [3:06] Louise Linden: yeah thats when it got added
* [3:07] Davy Linden: this is confusing - and doesn't *sound* like it's a big fix
* [3:07] Davy Linden: will chase up
* [3:07] Louise Linden: thanks
* [3:08] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17224 - Chat ims cannot be turned off, continually popping up on the right side in rapid succession causing annoyances and, in some, migraines
* [3:09] Davy Linden: this relates to previou one re ability to customize
* [3:09] Louise Linden: yeah, add to the soon to be meta issue?
* [3:09] Davy Linden: ok
* [3:10] Ardy Lay: Another of the reasons I cannot use V2. I can't handle all the flickering stuff. Causes siezures.
* [3:10] Louise Linden: next issue
* [3:10] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-16980 - Floating text issues - Viewer 2.0 BETA
* [3:11] Davy Linden: there are a number of issues on this
* [3:11] Davy Linden: it breaks content
* [3:11] Davy Linden: so needs to be looked at
* [3:11] Louise Linden: yeah can we chase this up? it's already logged internally
* [3:11] Davy Linden: will do
* [3:12] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17470 - Set Running Progress window Missing
* [3:12] Louise Linden: repros for me
* [3:13] Davy Linden: yeah
* [3:13] Louise Linden: import or link
* [3:13] Davy Linden: will check for duplicates / import
* [3:13] Louise Linden: thanks
* [3:13] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17242 - Viewer 2 Beta: RenderVolumeLODFactor sometimes reverts to default on relog
* [3:13] Harleen Gretzky: Missing for all of them, scripts to running and not running also
* [3:13] Ardy Lay: And compile?
* [3:14] Harleen Gretzky: Probably, never tried that one
* [3:14] Davy Linden: I'll update the title/description
* [3:14] Louise Linden: great thanks
* [3:15] Davy Linden: back to
* [3:15] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17242 - Viewer 2 Beta: RenderVolumeLODFactor sometimes reverts to default on relog
* [3:16] Louise Linden: import and investigate?
* [3:16] Ardy Lay: Hmm.... I didn't try that.
* [3:16] Davy Linden: ok
* [3:16] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-16986 - Sitting on a prim / chair and clicking stand makes you fly
* [3:17] Davy Linden: yes it does... sometimes
* [3:17] Davy Linden: also for scripted unsits (teleports)
* [3:17] Ardy Lay: I put a repro in EXT-5094
* [3:18] Louise Linden: cool
* [3:18] Ardy Lay: Ah.. Davy has one in there too. :-)
* [3:19] Louise Linden: Can we search for dupes and chase progress?
* [3:19] Davy Linden: I'll try to identify / tidy up duplicates
* [3:19] Davy Linden: yeah
* [3:19] Louise Linden: ta
* [3:19] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17544 - No chat windows in Mouselook
* [3:19] Davy Linden: people actually use mouselook? it's VILE
* [3:20] Louise Linden: lol
* [3:20] Louise Linden: still should be fixed though
* [3:20] Davy Linden: agreed
* [3:20] Ardy Lay: Hehe... Rarely, but yes.
* [3:20] Louise Linden: I use it mostly when aiming at collegues!! ;)
* [3:20] Davy Linden: will import
* [3:20] Louise Linden: thanks
* [3:20] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17347 - No functional way to detect active and inactive speakers
* [3:21] Louise Linden: I'm sure this is already logged internally
* [3:21] Davy Linden: this exists in EXT
* [3:21] Davy Linden: yeah
* [3:21] Davy Linden: I'll find it / link / chase
* [3:22] Louise Linden: thanks.
* [3:22] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17314 - Glow on Screenshots, and Hirez Screenshots broken.
* [3:23] Davy Linden: this should probably be split into 2 related issues
* [3:23] Louise Linden: looks like thats two issues, glow then Hi-rez
* [3:23] Ardy Lay: The 1/4 filled high-res snapshot is in another issue too.
* [3:23] Davy Linden: jinx
* [3:23] Louise Linden: noooooooo!
* [3:23] Harleen Gretzky: HiRez is already another I think I know it is in EXT and BTEST
* [3:24] Louise Linden: yeah, link the hirez
* [3:24] Louise Linden: look for glow, or import glow
* [3:24] Davy Linden: ok - will do
* [3:24] Bug Triage: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17066 - Cannot decline items offered to me because the decline button is hard to find
* [3:25] Harleen Gretzky: EXT-3335 and VWR-17202 for hi res
* [3:25] Davy Linden: ty harleen
* [3:26] Louise Linden: awesome thanks!
* [3:26] Louise Linden: with the inventory offers, didn't we have a similar issue with friendship offers?
* [3:26] Louise Linden: might be worth suggesting a similar fix
* [3:27] Louise Linden: woudl increse the visibility of the offer
* [3:27] Ardy Lay: Would this apply to group invitations too?
* [3:28] Ardy Lay: I frequently get spam-invited to marketing groups.
* [3:28] Louise Linden: I think this is already logged internally. We'll go an investigate this one
* [3:29] Louise Linden: there may be some debate on bug/design issue
* [3:29] Louise Linden: so we'll chase up and get some info for you guys
* [3:29] Ardy Lay: Thanks
* [3:29] Davy Linden: I belive it's a change in expected behaviour... but we need to ask agai
* [3:29] Davy Linden: +n
* [3:30] Louise Linden: wow look how time flies!
* [3:30] Louise Linden: We'll try and get the agenda up next wednesday before the next triage
* [3:30] Davy Linden: thanks for being here - I know it wasn't very well advertised.. but we'll be back next week
* [3:30] Harleen Gretzky: take care