Bug triage/2008-03-05/Transcript

Transcript of Bridie Linden's office hours:
[15:02]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Do we have an agenda for today?
[15:03]	Bridie Linden: 	We do!
[15:03]	Bridie Linden: 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:03]	Squirrel Wood: 	User is not online. Your message will be conveniently deleted and not delivered at all. Have a nice and productive day!
[15:03]	Torley Linden: 	I wish I could customize that message. I need assistants, really.
[15:03]	BugTest Dumpling: 	That's a good idea Torley... lol
[15:03]	Bridie Linden: 	How's everyone today?
[15:03]	Squirrel Wood: 	You have reached clone #435,256 of Torley Linden. Please wait while we process your request!
[15:03]	Taryn London: 	Good :) You?
[15:04]	Simon Kline: 	heheh i'm sure we'd all volunteer to bee your assistant for a day torley! heh
[15:04]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	maybe you should poke the devs into implementing that then?
[15:04]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	a customiseable message on IM is much desired...
[15:04]	Squirrel Wood is rockin' the day away ^^ 	Squirrel Wood is rockin' the day away ^^
[15:04]	Taryn London: 	I dont think I could handle it. I have enough trouble keeping up with the blog.
[15:04]	Torley Linden: 	That's nice of you, Squirrel. Hehe.
[15:04]	Bridie Linden grins 	Bridie Linden grins
[15:04]	Torley Linden: 	Taryn, so far, thanks.
[15:04]	Taryn London: 	speaking of which.. plant doing well? :D
[15:04]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	# VWR-5207[c] - Votes: 3 - Sculpted Prims Load/Look Different in v1.19 than in v1.18 or Lower - Earalia Nolan
[15:04]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	When everyone is ready
[15:04]	Torley Linden: 	I tell my wife, like "I don't need another thing to take care of!" but she got me sold on the beauty of nature.
[15:05]	Bridie Linden was waiting on Aric Linden... 	Bridie Linden was waiting on Aric Linden...
[15:05]	Squirrel Wood: 	that one is likely the LOD problem... zoom out, then back in and it should look ok
[15:05]	Bridie Linden: 	But let's get rolling...
[15:05]	Arawn Spitteler has a window Grapefruit Tree, so a Watermelon shouldnt be bad. 	Arawn Spitteler has a window Grapefruit Tree, so a Watermelon shouldnt be bad.
[15:05]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Is he hoping to make some sort of entrance? lol
[15:05]	Bridie Linden: 	Thx WK
[15:05]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Has the degenerate surface detection been changed again?
[15:06]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	That ws the cause last time this type of thing appeared
[15:06]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	hey all
[15:06]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	It'd be worth asking Qarl if there was any intentional change that coulc cause this, perhaps?
[15:06]	Bridie Linden is checking something...one sec 	Bridie Linden is checking something...one sec
[15:07]	Squirrel Wood: 	you have several prims witht he same sculpt texture in a row... the ones close to you will show the low res model, the ones further away will look fine.
[15:07]	Bridie Linden: 	Hi Saijanai
[15:07]	Squirrel Wood: 	and only zooming out fixes that
[15:07]	Squirrel Wood: 	so that is why I assume that this one is related
[15:07]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	hey there sai
[15:07]	Saijanai Kuhn admires his sub 1.0 fps 	Saijanai Kuhn admires his sub 1.0 fps
[15:07]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	that does sound like an annoying bug, too
[15:07]	Arawn Spitteler: 	Having to zoom out would wrec havok, with the animated Sculpties
[15:07]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	sub 1?
[15:07]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	oh dear
[15:08]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	debug settings > renderfarclip
[15:08]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	set it to something like 8
[15:08]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	that should help a bit
[15:08]	Taryn London: 	Hi Aric
[15:08]	WarKirby Magojiro waves to Aric 	WarKirby Magojiro waves to Aric
[15:08]	Bridie Linden: 	is 5207 same or related to VWR-2920?
[15:08]	Torley Linden: 	Heyyyy Aric!
[15:08]	Bridie Linden: 	Hey Aric!
[15:09]	Aric Linden: 	hi Bridie
[15:09]	Aric Linden: 	sorry i'm late
[15:09]	Bridie Linden: 	Np, busy day!
[15:09]	Aric Linden: 	my life got effed cuz we evacuated the building and then i had to make up meetings
[15:09]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	oh, I commented on that a loong time ago
[15:09]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	is that still not fixed?
[15:09]	BugTest Dumpling: 	"my life" rofl
[15:09]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Was that SF Aric?
[15:09]	Bridie Linden: 	2920 is fixed in WL
[15:10]	Squirrel Wood: 	I would say its a dupe of sorts
[15:10]	WarKirby Magojiro is usin windlight 	WarKirby Magojiro is usin windlight
[15:10]	Squirrel Wood: 	I'm on the latest WL and get the LOD bug on sculpties
[15:10]	Bridie Linden hmms 	Bridie Linden hmms
[15:10]	Bridie Linden: 	I'll link 'em up and import 5207 then
[15:10]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I think it would be a good idea to ask earalia to test her straps in windlight
[15:10]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	at renderfarclip = 8 I get 3.6 fps
[15:10]	Aric Linden: 	yes bugtest
[15:10]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	see if the problem occurs there
[15:10]	BugTest Dumpling: 	I see, thanx : )
[15:10]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	3.6 is not a lot better.... :/
[15:10]	Aric Linden: 	wow, big crowd
[15:11]	Bridie Linden: 	Good idea WarKirby
[15:11]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Is it?
[15:11]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	you should see zero's meetings
[15:11]	Squirrel Wood: 	I don't get the flat spheres but a low res sculpt model
[15:11]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	last time I attended one of those
[15:11]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	the sim was full
[15:11]	Bridie Linden: 	wow!
[15:11]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	and people were queing up outside in other sims
[15:11]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	depends on the topic and how much I spam-advertise the meeting
[15:11]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	we had 80 people show up one time
[15:11]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	heh
[15:11]	Bridie Linden is happy with helpful triage attending Resis! 	Bridie Linden is happy with helpful triage attending Resis!
[15:11]	Squirrel Wood: 	Spamvertising :/
[15:12]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	had to change to a multi-sim arena
[15:12]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	he was not pleased
[15:12]	Bridie Linden: 	Next up...
[15:12]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5284[c] - Votes: 3 - DNS Could not resolve host name error after upgrading to 1.19.0.4
[15:12]	Simon Kline: 	i've been helping eva with this one.... she still can't log on
[15:13]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Is that a firewall causing that, do you think?
[15:13]	Simon Kline: 	we've been troublshooting ever since last thurs and can't get it to work
[15:13]	Daedalus Young: 	friendly greetings!
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood: 	firewall, isp routing problem...
[15:13]	Taryn London: 	Hi Daedalus :)
[15:13]	Arawn Spitteler is on 1.19.0(5), but has only seen 50% Log-in failure today 	Arawn Spitteler is on 1.19.0(5), but has only seen 50% Log-in failure today
[15:13]	Bridie Linden: 	and the only change has been the viewer?
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood: 	HOSTS file mayhaps
[15:13]	Bridie Linden: 	Hiya Daed!
[15:13]	Simon Kline: 	no tried disabling firewall
[15:13]	Simon Kline: 	tried updating hosts file
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood: 	try adding the IPs and hostnames to the HOSTS file ?
[15:13]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	none of these people have mentioned which country they're in...
[15:13]	Simon Kline: 	i've scowered jira
[15:14]	Bridie Linden: 	Aric, Torley any thoughts?
[15:14]	Simon Kline: 	and there's been a few cases of vista related ppl that have upgraded and had simmilar issues
[15:14]	Simon Kline: 	after upgrading
[15:14]	Becky Pippen: 	Many of us have recently started getting DNS failures during logiin to SL, and that's the only name our DNS can't resolve at that time.
[15:14]	Simon Kline: 	did something change about the login with this upgrade?
[15:14]	Torley Linden: 	Hmmm...
[15:14]	Squirrel Wood: 	I would provide a hosts file for such cases to see if that helps
[15:15]	Simon Kline: 	yeah we did try adjusting the hosts file with the login.agni... addresses in it
[15:15]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Tried an alternate viewer? or account?
[15:15]	Simon Kline: 	yep other account
[15:15]	Torley Linden: 	I wonder if other viewers work for Evangeline?
[15:15]	Bridie Linden: 	worked or didn't work Simon?
[15:15]	Simon Kline: 	the windlight she's got doesn't work now either
[15:15]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	/nicholaz viewer is a good thing to try
[15:15]	Squirrel Wood: 	can she log in from a friends computer?
[15:15]	Simon Kline: 	other accounts don't work
[15:15]	Torley Linden: 	This doesn't seem widespread but I'd check that... besides, we're on 1.19.0.5 right now, not 1.19.0.4 (subtle but there is a distinction).
[15:16]	Simon Kline: 	yeah might try nicholaz viewer and work more on that
[15:16]	Bridie Linden: 	Let's leave this one open but keep an eye on it
[15:16]	Simon Kline: 	i'm meeting her on yahoo today to try more things
[15:16]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	heh. Windlight is nearly twice as fast
[15:16]	Aric Linden: 	it's possible that while a restart is occuring the lookup for a related server is failing and then something caches and doesn't clear
[15:16]	Aric Linden: 	I'd suggest clear both web and server cache
[15:16]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:17]	Simon Kline: 	yeah we tried flushing dns and restarting the vista dns services...
[15:17]	Simon Kline: 	thanks aric we'll try that i think web cache has been cleared but will try
[15:17]	Aric Linden: 	don't forget server cache
[15:17]	Aric Linden: 	they're different prefs
[15:17]	Bridie Linden: 	Thx for suggestions all.
[15:17]	Bridie Linden: 	Next up...
[15:17]	Bridie Linden: 	# VWR-5158[c] - Votes: 1 - SL Freezes, Can't Walk after 30 secs - edmundtyler blackadder
[15:17]	Aric Linden: 	one is under network, the other is under web on the prefs menu
[15:18]	Simon Kline: 	it's rather distressing for her because she's unable to leave her house and sl is her only way of reaching the outside world... thankyou for your suggestions.
[15:18]	BugTest Dumpling: 	That could be due to the connection to the internet?
[15:18]	Aric Linden: 	simon, if that doesn't work, you're welcome to ping me via IM and I'll see what I can do to help
[15:18]	Daedalus Young: 	5158, reporter says SL works fine on a different computer
[15:18]	Aric Linden: 	also is it wireless or dsl or cable
[15:19]	Squirrel Wood: 	Please notice: Windows Vista Ultimate
[15:19]	BugTest Dumpling: 	I get that and I think it is when the internet connection is reset, it disconnects you from SL
[15:19]	BugTest Dumpling: 	?
[15:19]	Bridie Linden: 	maybe this is one for support...
[15:20]	BugTest Dumpling: 	*nods*
[15:20]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	VWR-5158?
[15:20]	Squirrel Wood: 	high packet loss too.. 0.9%
[15:20]	Torley Linden: 	It seems isolated and not a widespread issue, with those types of things I generally lean towards support.
[15:20]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Agreed
[15:20]	Bridie Linden: 	Yup
[15:20]	Torley Linden: 	So we can resolve this as Contact Support.
[15:20]	Bridie Linden: 	Will do
[15:20]	Aric Linden: 	one question should be asked here (I'll update)
[15:20]	Bridie Linden: 	Next up...
[15:20]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5208[c] - Votes: 2 - Voice IM volume slider being moved by unrelated dialog open/close actions in 1.19.x Dazzle and now Release versions
[15:21]	Aric Linden: 	what other applications are running?
[15:21]	Aric Linden: 	I'll add the comment, Torley
[15:21]	Torley Linden: 	Thanks Aric!
[15:21]	WarKirby Magojiro runs WMP, firefox, blender, photoshop, MSN, and SL all at once o.o 	WarKirby Magojiro runs WMP, firefox, blender, photoshop, MSN, and SL all at once o.o
[15:21]	Torley Linden: 	Seems like VWR-5208 has a pretty easy repro to check out.
[15:22]	Squirrel Wood: 	that is a clear dupe?
[15:22]	Squirrel Wood: 	might want to link tothe feature requests of the client remembering volume settings
[15:23]	Torley Linden: 	That does sound similar to me... but still, volume settings shouldn't change upon mere resizing of a window, if what the reporter describes is accurate.
[15:23]	Torley Linden: 	Er, I mean "mere scrolling".
[15:23]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Ah
[15:23]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Sec
[15:24]	Squirrel Wood: 	it usually does it when you move to a different parcel which has its own voice channel set
[15:24]	Bridie Linden: 	what is the IM Volume slider?
[15:24]	Squirrel Wood: 	or teleport
[15:24]	Torley Linden: 	Bridie, when you do a 1:1 voice chat in private with someone...
[15:24]	Bridie Linden: 	ah, yes
[15:24]	Torley Linden: 	in that IM tab, you'll see a volume slider near the top.
[15:24]	Bridie Linden: 	I'll import and look for similar issues to link to
[15:25]	Bridie Linden: 	I know there was a recent one...
[15:25]	Bridie Linden: 	Cool?
[15:25]	Bridie Linden: 	Moving right along...
[15:25]	Torley Linden: 	Sounds good!
[15:26]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5203[c] - Votes: 1 - when resizing a newly created prim - texture repeat numbers change on their own - corrupt cache
[15:26]	Daedalus Young: 	could not repro, but it's not really clear to me what the reporter means
[15:26]	Bridie Linden reads latest comment from Daed 	Bridie Linden reads latest comment from Daed
[15:26]	Bridie Linden: 	Yeah, perhaps they were confused...
[15:26]	Squirrel Wood: 	This very much looks like the "stretch Textures" checkbox NOT being checked
[15:27]	Torley Linden: 	Seems appropriate for Cannot Reproduce.
[15:27]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:27]	Torley Linden: 	Squirrel, that's what I thought too.
[15:27]	Torley Linden: 	Could be a UI misunderstanding.
[15:27]	Bridie Linden: 	Next up
[15:27]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5202[c] - Votes: 0 - SecondLife keeps crashing after logging in.
[15:27]	Torley Linden: 	Doesn't exist?
[15:27]	Torley Linden: 	Oops.
[15:27]	Torley Linden: 	Sorry.
[15:28]	BugTest Dumpling: 	: P
[15:28]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	this sounds bad
[15:28]	Simon Kline: 	waterhead is a busy area
[15:28]	Bridie Linden: 	BTW, I went through these issues fairly quickly last night - but wanted to be sure some of these were indeed isolated...
[15:28]	Squirrel Wood: 	Memory: 895 MB - looks a bit odd
[15:28]	Aric Linden: 	well, note that the log says something different about version than the affects version
[15:28]	Aric Linden: 	I wonder which version was being run
[15:28]	Torley Linden: 	I think we need to determine whether this is location-specific, too.
[15:28]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Good eye Aric
[15:28]	Bridie Linden: 	Good eyes Aric!
[15:29]	Bridie Linden: 	beer BugTest!
[15:29]	BugTest Dumpling: 	lol
[15:29]	Torley Linden: 	Helo says "Waterhead" but I was there the other day for a good period of time, no crashie for me.
[15:29]	Torley Linden: 	Important to include a log as well, so let's ask Helo Kirax to do that.
[15:29]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Maybe it is just their connection
[15:29]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Ask for more info
[15:29]	Taryn London: 	Maybe crashing at Waterhead is just a natural defence mechanism.
[15:29]	Aric Linden: 	yes, more info please
[15:29]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Not really much to go on there
[15:29]	Taryn London: 	It's a feature.
[15:29]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:29]	Torley Linden: 	*nods at Aric*
[15:29]	BugTest Dumpling: 	haha Taryn
[15:29]	Bridie Linden: 	More info FTW!
[15:29]	Squirrel Wood: 	graphics driver version may also be of interest
[15:30]	Bridie Linden: 	Next...
[15:30]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5209[c] - Votes: 0 - LSL - running checkbox is sometimes greyed out in scripts -
[15:30]	BugTest Dumpling deletes and bans "FTW" 	BugTest Dumpling deletes and bans "FTW"
[15:30]	Bridie Linden looks @ BugTest FTW! 	Bridie Linden looks @ BugTest FTW!
[15:30]	Bridie Linden: 	j/k
[15:31]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	This sounds like the permissions lagging a little
[15:31]	BugTest Dumpling is so confused by that saying >>.<< lol 	BugTest Dumpling is so confused by that saying >>.<< lol
[15:31]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Similar things happen trying to modify any object somtimes
[15:31]	Squirrel Wood: 	Could it be that this happens when scripts are off on estate level?
[15:31]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Lag then?
[15:31]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Presumabbly, the client defaults to no mod in the absence of permission information ?
[15:32]	Bridie Linden: 	Torley, not related, but it does remind me of the prim count issue we ran into
[15:32]	Torley Linden: 	Yeah, I remember that one, Bridie.
[15:32]	Aric Linden: 	Squirrel, your thought makes sense to me
[15:32]	Bridie Linden hmmms 	Bridie Linden hmmms
[15:32]	Aric Linden: 	it seems to me that this might be a problem with perception on the way nested permissions works
[15:32]	Torley Linden: 	Permissions is a harsh mistress.
[15:32]	BugTest Dumpling: 	rofl
[15:32]	Squirrel Wood: 	Indeed!
[15:32]	Taryn London: 	lol
[15:32]	Bridie Linden: 	indeed
[15:32]	Squirrel Wood: 	Very harsh!
[15:33]	Aric Linden wants extra credit for slipping in jargon "nested permissions" 	Aric Linden wants extra credit for slipping in jargon "nested permissions"
[15:33]	WarKirby Magojiro thinks permissions need an overhaul 	WarKirby Magojiro thinks permissions need an overhaul
[15:33]	Aric Linden: 	Just had one Warkirby
[15:33]	Bridie Linden: 	gold sarts (sic) for ARic
[15:33]	Bridie Linden decline FASHION CON RELEASES 3-5-08 from A group member named Jazmine Jordan. 	Bridie Linden decline FASHION CON RELEASES 3-5-08 from A group member named Jazmine Jordan.
[15:33]	Taryn London gives Aric a gold sart for jargon. 	Taryn London gives Aric a gold sart for jargon.
[15:33]	Aric Linden grins happily 	Aric Linden grins happily
[15:33]	Aric Linden: 	My work is done here
[15:33]	Aric Linden: 	I'll be on my way
[15:33]	Bridie Linden lols 	Bridie Linden lols
[15:33]	Squirrel Wood: 	Oh My. Someone will have to create actual Sarts to give out to people now :p
[15:34]	Bridie Linden: 	Shall we ask Mani to take a gander?
[15:34]	Aric Linden: 	I'll comment on this one. I have specific questions to ask and I'll ask for more info
[15:34]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I'm imagining a sculpted star, inside out
[15:34]	Squirrel Wood: 	Collect trophies! Get a SART today!
[15:34]	Bridie Linden: 	ty Aric
[15:34]	BugTest Dumpling: 	sart?
[15:34]	Aric Linden: 	Not yet. I think we need to make sure it's not user error
[15:34]	Daedalus Young: 	lol
[15:34]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Huh? 0.o
[15:34]	Torley Linden: 	Hahah.
[15:34]	Bridie Linden: 	BugTest, typo of mine from last week (trying to give out gold stars became 'sarts'..)
[15:34]	Squirrel Wood: 	A profile page for Sarts! ^^
[15:34]	BugTest Dumpling: 	LOL Ok
[15:34]	Bridie Linden: 	Supah Sarts!
[15:35]	Arawn Spitteler wonders if Sarts have been Wikkied yet. 	Arawn Spitteler wonders if Sarts have been Wikkied yet.
[15:35]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Will teach me never to miss Triage again or IM in triage
[15:35]	BugTest Dumpling: 	LOL
[15:35]	Bridie Linden: 	!
[15:35]	Bridie Linden: 	Next up...
[15:35]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5260[c] - Votes: 0 - was logged off for being idle although I clearly wasn't
[15:35]	Daedalus Young: 	I even put a sart on a screenshot I posted last week
[15:35]	Bridie Linden: 	Nice Daed!
[15:35]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Bridie
[15:35]	BugTest Dumpling: 	That one I think, THINK happened to me on Dazzle
[15:36]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Or was it RC?
[15:36]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Never mind... lol
[15:36]	Bridie Linden: 	I couldn't repro
[15:36]	Squirrel Wood: 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sart - It has!
[15:37]	Bridie Linden: 	what about gold sarts Squirrel?
[15:37]	Torley Linden: 	VWR-5260 needs a better repro.
[15:37]	Aric Linden: 	love Squirrel for sart samples
[15:37]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Set a last triage date and ask fro more info?
[15:37]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:37]	Squirrel Wood: 	^^
[15:38]	Bridie Linden: 	next...
[15:38]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5268[c] - Votes: 0 - Gestures limitation varies -
[15:38]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	hmm
[15:38]	Torley Linden: 	Hmmm this one may be up my alley...
[15:38]	Bridie Linden: 	I have to admit I didn't try creating a 29 step gesture...
[15:38]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I'd tend to use a scripted device if I had something complex enough to need that many steps...
[15:38]	Torley Linden: 	it depends on the # of characters within the gesture steps.
[15:38]	Torley Linden: 	NOT the steps themselves.
[15:38]	Squirrel Wood: 	can text string length be a limit ?
[15:39]	Torley Linden: 	Yes, Squirrel.
[15:39]	Bridie Linden: 	orly?
[15:39]	Torley Linden: 	I had the exact # a long time ago...
[15:39]	Torley Linden: 	http://secondlife.com/app/help/avatar/gestures.php
[15:39]	Torley Linden: 	Oh my gosh, it's been ages since I wrote that!
[15:39]	Bridie Linden nominates Torley to comment/resolve 	Bridie Linden nominates Torley to comment/resolve
[15:39]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Comment and Resolve?
[15:39]	Torley Linden: 	Yes, I'll do that.
[15:39]	Torley Linden: 	Thanks!
[15:40]	Bridie Linden: 	Another gold sart for you Torley!
[15:40]	Torley Linden: 	Mmm yummy sarts.
[15:40]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	* VWR-3798[c] - Votes: 11 - Sculpt textures have WAY too low a priority in the interest list. - Argent Stonecutter
[15:40]	Squirrel Wood: 	High priority for sculpt textures! ^^
[15:40]	Bridie Linden: 	WK is fast !
[15:40]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I added comments to this a few minutes ago
[15:40]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I strongly support this issue
[15:41]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I quite often see sculpted prims being textured before their geometry is even downloaded
[15:41]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	seems silly
[15:41]	Torley Linden: 	I feel similarly about this, from newcomers I hear things like "What's with all the balls on his... oh... they're changing shape."
[15:41]	BugTest Dumpling: 	: ))
[15:41]	BugTest Dumpling: 	haha
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood: 	Definitely something to change... especially with sculpted avatars and clothes
[15:41]	Bridie Linden: 	I see that everytime I login here
[15:41]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	they ought to be the first textures to be downloaded
[15:41]	Bridie Linden: 	(sculpty sofas!)
[15:41]	WarKirby Magojiro smiles 	WarKirby Magojiro smiles
[15:41]	Bridie Linden: 	Let's import and see what our other Lindens say...
[15:41]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Ooh Sculpty caves are awesome!
[15:42]	Daedalus Young: 	I'd like to see prims close to the avatar in general be rezzing first
[15:42]	Daedalus Young: 	I often see stuff in the distance rez first, while I'm waiting for all the invisibility around me to go away
[15:42]	Bridie Linden decline Trixxy's Shop Note :) from A group member named Trixxy Oh. 	Bridie Linden decline Trixxy's Shop Note :) from A group member named Trixxy Oh.
[15:42]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	patches are up next...
[15:42]	Bridie Linden: 	Yes, they are!
[15:42]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	# VWR-4834[c] - Votes: 0 - Solaris port - Strife Onizuka
[15:42]	Taryn London: 	Zepar! Heya :)
[15:43]	Squirrel Wood: 	4834 - looks like Soft is onto those already
[15:43]	Torley Linden: 	Hm, last I know, Soft was helping with that... not a full-scale port but massaging those patches.
[15:43]	Torley Linden: 	*nods*
[15:43]	Zepar Zhukovsky: 	Hey Taryn
[15:43]	Harleen Gretzky: 	Soft said she was going to import all the Solaris on Monday
[15:43]	Bridie Linden: 	I'll ping soft about this then!
[15:43]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	The script editor enhancement looks wonderful
[15:44]	Bridie Linden: 	Next
[15:44]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5206[c] - Votes: 18 - Save and load scripts from the script editor to local disk
[15:44]	Squirrel Wood: 	YES!
[15:44]	Squirrel Wood: 	I want!
[15:44]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	yay
[15:44]	Torley Linden: 	This looks pretty compelling.
[15:44]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	no more pasting
[15:45]	Bridie Linden: 	Nice one
[15:45]	Aric Linden: 	let's grab it
[15:45]	Squirrel Wood: 	never lose scripts on save again by closing the window too soon...
[15:45]	Bridie Linden: 	will grab!
[15:45]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	now all we need is collapsable codeblocks.....
[15:45]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5283[c] - Votes: 6 - Line number gutter for script editor
[15:45]	Squirrel Wood: 	^^
[15:45]	Daedalus Young: 	5283 is a must-grab too
[15:45]	Squirrel Wood: 	Indeed!
[15:46]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	ah, he's doing code folding and bookmarks too
[15:46]	Arawn Spitteler: 	Collapsible Code sounds almost like an extension of Mono. User Created Classes might benice
[15:46]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	excellent
[15:46]	Squirrel Wood: 	Line numbers... though I'd want them hex formatted :p
[15:46]	Becky Pippen wiggles in anticipation of this one 	Becky Pippen wiggles in anticipation of this one
[15:46]	Daedalus Young: 	although it currently looks to be a WIP
[15:46]	Squirrel Wood: 	for the 1337 look
[15:46]	Squirrel Wood votes 	Squirrel Wood votes
[15:46]	Bridie Linden: 	I'll import
[15:46]	Torley Linden: 	Scripter's paradise!
[15:47]	Bridie Linden: 	One more from JB
[15:47]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	Misc pool is up next
[15:47]	BugTest Dumpling: 	FTW is For the Win? Right?
[15:47]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	oh,
[15:47]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5304[c] - Votes: 3 - Script editor enhancements, shift selection left/right, toggle comment selection
[15:47]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	that one too
[15:47]	Bridie Linden: 	Yes BugTest
[15:47]	BugTest Dumpling: 	^.^
[15:47]	Bridie Linden: 	Who is this JB Kraft? :)
[15:47]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Is Meg, being called BugTest freaks me out... lol
[15:47]	Squirrel Wood: 	importeded
[15:47]	Squirrel Wood points at Aric 	Squirrel Wood points at Aric
[15:47]	Bridie Linden: 	Must give him/her gold sarts...
[15:48]	Squirrel Wood: 	He did it!
[15:48]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	# SVC-682[c] - Votes: 4 - Objects can enter into No-Object-Entry area. - Nock Forager
[15:48]	Aric Linden looks around nervously 	Aric Linden looks around nervously
[15:48]	Bridie Linden: 	Onto the misc pool...
[15:48]	Aric Linden: 	did what?
[15:48]	Torley Linden: 	SVC-682 sounds like a dupe...
[15:48]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I vote this be closed as duplicate
[15:48]	Torley Linden: 	I talked to Nock the other day!
[15:48]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	I already covered this myself, and much better
[15:48]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	see the linked issue
[15:49]	Daedalus Young: 	dupe of svc-1042, it says it is
[15:49]	Torley Linden: 	Yeah, I vote to close as dupe.
[15:49]	Bridie Linden: 	yup
[15:49]	Torley Linden: 	See Kelly's comment @ https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1042?focusedCommentId=39162#action_39162
[15:49]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	SVC-1042 is mine. I documented four methods of circumventing the flag
[15:49]	Squirrel Wood: 	no object entry and havok 4 are mortal enemies :p
[15:50]	Bridie Linden: 	hee
[15:50]	Bridie Linden: 	Next
[15:50]	Bridie Linden: 	SVC-925[c] - Votes: 4 - Estate Manager are not able to upload and download RAW terrain files
[15:50]	Torley Linden: 	Hm, Estate permissions...
[15:50]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Isnt that intentionall?
[15:50]	Torley Linden: 	I see where this is useful, but not every Estate Owner wants this to be possible.
[15:50]	Torley Linden: 	E.g., you could screw up the terrain.
[15:50]	Squirrel Wood: 	make it an option ?
[15:51]	Zepar Zhukovsky: 	add an undo
[15:51]	Torley Linden: 	I vote this should be a New Feature, not a bug since it *is* by design.
[15:51]	Squirrel Wood: 	[ ] EMs can load/save terrain data
[15:51]	Bridie Linden: 	Looks like there was a bit of a bug/new feature battle
[15:51]	Bridie Linden: 	+1 for new feature
[15:52]	Squirrel Wood commented. 	Squirrel Wood commented.
[15:52]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	seems logical that they should be able to
[15:52]	Bridie Linden: 	Shall I go ahead and import?
[15:52]	Torley Linden: 	Yes, please do...
[15:52]	Bridie Linden: 	will do
[15:52]	Daedalus Young: 	neither bug nor new feature, it's an enhancement
[15:52]	Torley Linden: 	in the future we should have better consistency/design between estate and parcel-level controls.
[15:52]	BugTest Dumpling: 	I think it's more a new feature, changing what is already there, not fixing it
[15:52]	Torley Linden: 	Right now it's a disconnected confusion on some levels.
[15:53]	Bridie Linden: 	Next ..
[15:53]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-4201[c] - Votes: 3 - Grabbing prim with llDetectedGrab(), and dragging to the left, rotates camera left.
[15:53]	Squirrel Wood: 	one thing I have notices is that as an EM I cannot make use of the about land options...
[15:53]	Squirrel Wood: 	if I'm not in the proper groups and roles
[15:54]	Bridie Linden decline Mad About Saffron New Release 03/05/08 FC from A group member named Ginger Glimmer. 	Bridie Linden decline Mad About Saffron New Release 03/05/08 FC from A group member named Ginger Glimmer.
[15:54]	Squirrel Wood: 	detectedgrab may not be involved at all. rapid clicking on a HUD prim will do the same
[15:54]	Squirrel Wood: 	camera turns bit by bit to the left
[15:55]	Bridie Linden: 	Can u comment Squirrel?
[15:55]	Squirrel Wood: 	II shallll
[15:55]	Bridie Linden: 	ty
[15:55]	Bridie Linden: 	Next one, good title...
[15:55]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-4989[c] - Votes: 1 - See only blue screen
[15:55]	Bridie Linden decline Kayliwulf Kingdom Fetish Planet and Space Lounge from A group member named Lazarus Luan.	Bridie Linden decline Kayliwulf Kingdom Fetish Planet and Space Lounge from A group member named Lazarus Luan.
[15:55]	Torley Linden: 	Sounds like a koan!
[15:56]	Taryn London: 	Reporter: Blue Linden.
[15:56]	BugTest Dumpling just found a dazzle bug : )) 	BugTest Dumpling just found a dazzle bug : ))
[15:56]	Taryn London: 	"Stuff thats supposed to happen, part 1".
[15:56]	Torley Linden: 	This needs more info... is it only a WindLight problem, for example?
[15:56]	Daedalus Young: 	is that your book?
[15:56]	Torley Linden: 	Affects Version/s isn't even specified.
[15:56]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	that's a bit misleading
[15:56]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	this is underwater
[15:56]	WarKirby Magojiro: 	very different from bluescreen
[15:56]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:57]	Torley Linden: 	Good point, WarKirby.
[15:57]	Torley Linden: 	May be a misunderstanding.
[15:57]	Torley Linden: 	Weird, there's a actually a region named "what". :p
[15:57]	Squirrel Wood: 	did we just skip 5171?
[15:57]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Ah
[15:57]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Wait
[15:58]	Torley Linden: 	*smiles at Lex's comments and notes that's a strong case for why Support would benefit more from PJIRA awareness.*
[15:58]	Bridie Linden: 	we did sorry Squirrel
[15:58]	BugTest Dumpling: 	For VWR-4989 I think that relates to another Bug
[15:58]	Bridie Linden: 	VWR-5171[c] - Votes: 2 - First Look-Windlight: Hovertext on subprims stops prims from appearing to move
[15:58]	Daedalus Young: 	their bandwidth sits at 0, so they're clearly not connected
[15:59]	Bridie Linden: 	Good eye Daed
[15:59]	Torley Linden: 	For VWR-5171, I suggest import and assign to Pastrami.
[15:59]	Daedalus Young: 	thx Bridie
[15:59]	Bridie Linden: 	will do for 5171
[15:59]	Squirrel Wood: 	I have seen that happen on a voting board I made which links and moves child prims
[15:59]	Torley Linden: 	Thx Bridie.
[15:59]	BugTest Dumpling: 	VWR-4989
[15:59]	Bridie Linden: 	can i get a volunteer to add comments to 4989?
[15:59]	Squirrel Wood: 	they get updated and show up in the right positions eventually though
[16:00]	BugTest Dumpling: 	That relates to VWR-4338
[16:00]	Bridie Linden: 	Wow, that brings us to 4pm!
[16:00]	WarKirby Magojiro looks at 4989 	WarKirby Magojiro looks at 4989
[16:00]	Bridie Linden: 	19 issues today, good work!
[16:00]	Daedalus Young: 	they could try clearing caches too
[16:01]	Bridie Linden: 	More gold sarts for all!
[16:01]	Torley Linden: 	We are all made of sarts!
[16:01]	Daedalus Young: 	you'd need a sart-particle poofer
[16:01]	Bridie Linden: 	Thx everyone!
[16:01]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Can you Resolve VWR-4989 as Needs more Info please?
[16:01]	Bridie Linden: 	I can!
[16:01]	WarKirby Magojiro changed the issue title 	WarKirby Magojiro changed the issue title
[16:01]	BugTest Dumpling: 	Yay
[16:01]	Arawn Spitteler: 	Sart seems to refer to City Dweller, but there's some debate as to whether it derives from Merchant or the Turkic for Dingo
[16:01]	Bridie Linden: 	See all of you next week!