Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2010-04-22

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on April 22nd, 2010
= Agenda =
* Discuss resolution of previous open items.
* Updates
** 1.38 is fully live.
*** Everything ok? Any issues?
** 1.40 info
** Havok 7 is getting merged today.
** Getting private regions into ADITI for 1.40 testing.
** Who is Oskar?
*** I promised to give my life story since you asked for it. :-)
* Releases
** 1.38.3 1st week in May
*** contains havok 4 logging.
* Any other business
** Whats up with - No "accepted/declined inventory" notice under server 1.36.0 | Critical & 291 votes! 
*** Was this changed on purpose?
*** This is really annoying. =(
= Resolved Items =
= Meeting Minutes =
* Talked about 1.38
* Talked about 1.40
* Talked about Havok 7
* Talked about the new point release 1.38.3
* Talked about 
* Uncle Oskar told his life story.
= Transcript =
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for April 22nd, 2010:
* [15:00] ANSI Soderstrom: hi oskar
* [15:00] Chalice Yao: hmmh.
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: wow dimentox is here too
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: hey guys
* [15:01] Chalice Yao: Hey hey Oskar!
* [15:01] Moy Loon: Hey!
* [15:01] Jessica Lyon: Oskar! ohai!
* [15:01] Jessica Lyon: Dimen is with us nao >.>
* [15:01] Ceawlin Steamweaver: Emerald. :P
* [15:01] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: sjees, it tries to combine multiple clothing sets again...
* [15:01] Ceawlin Steamweaver: Hai Greg!
* [15:02] Dimentox Travanti: muhahaha
* [15:02] The region: you have entered is running a different simulator version. Click this message for details.
* [15:02] Xugu Madison: Oskar! Good news, I'm mostly unconscious, and so can probably cause limited damage
* [15:02] ANSI Soderstrom: *Hi Schnuckel..... xD
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: so Lil says he doesn't need to come to these meetings anymore
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: so sad
* [15:02] Jessica Lyon: o.0
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: I'll give another few minutes to see who else drops in
* [15:03] Xugu Madison: Tell him we miss him!
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: note to self: refresh this friggin region
* [15:03] Xugu Madison: He may not need us, but we NEED him!
* [15:03] TaraLi Jie: Hi, Oskar!
* [15:03] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol, doesnt attach.... brb
* [15:03] Memorial Dae: I thought you did that last week
* [15:03] Jessica Lyon: the obvious conclusion is that lil has become a griffer >.>
* [15:04] TaraLi Jie: Grifferdor? Or Raving maw?
* [15:04] Jessica Lyon: brb sec
* [15:04] xstorm Radek: gave you Snapshot : Server Beta Office Hours (in honor of Moon Metty), M.
* [15:05] Ceawlin Steamweaver: lol
* [15:05] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: thats better
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: alright where is my agenda link
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: needs to get his act together
* [15:05] Xugu Madison: I didn't take it, I swera
* [15:05] xstorm Radek: Second Life 2.0.1 (203538) Apr 14 2010 13:26:03 (Second Life Beta Viewer)
* [15:05] Memorial Dae: Hey Maestro
* [15:05] Gooden Uggla: we need to remember to pin a note to oskar's door to wipe up the region
* [15:05] Maestro Linden: hi guys
* [15:05] Maestro Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours#Agenda
* [15:05] Latif Khalifa: still 3 mins to login... i think Oskar wants to ban me from aditi :P
* [15:06] Moy Loon: Hey!
* [15:06] TaraLi Jie: Hi, Maestro!
* [15:06] Gooden Uggla: hiya maestro
* [15:06] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: hey oscar and maestro
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: doesn't take me that long to log in
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: it must be the login page that I changed
* [15:06] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: hey simon :p
* [15:06] Simon Linden: Hello
* [15:06] Latif Khalifa: if (user == Latif) sleep (180) :P
* [15:06] Gooden Uggla: hiya simon
* [15:06] Jessica Lyon: lol
* [15:06] Psi Merlin: Hi everyone
* [15:07] Memorial Dae: Oh Latif lol
* [15:07] Latif Khalifa: Hello, All :)
* [15:07] Chalice Yao: Hey hey Maestro
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: ok well let's get this started
* [15:07] Maestro Linden: howdy
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: again, hi everyone thanks for coming
* [15:07] Memorial Dae: yes I have a starbucks to raid
* [15:07] xstorm Radek: Ok hi Oskar did you know there is a shit load of lagy nukes up in the air
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: probably
* [15:07] Ceawlin Steamweaver: I had to remap mine, cos I kept hitting it by accident and spamming people with gothic metal. X_x
* [15:07] Psi Merlin: I saw the new beta notice Oskar - nice.
* [15:07] ANSI Soderstrom: so whats your story
* [15:08] xstorm Radek: lol
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: yeah it only took about 6 months from when I requested the ability to update that page
* [15:08] ANSI Soderstrom: the bad or good news ?
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: ...
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: but now I can and will try and update it more often
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: and no real need to update the MOTD anymore so I put a generic message there
* [15:08] xstorm Radek: Oskar you wish me to crash this sim for you ?
* [15:08] Gooden Uggla: *smiles*
* [15:08] Rex Cronon: greetings everybody
* [15:08] xstorm Radek: ;-)
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: no xstorm please don't
* [15:08] Rex Cronon: .
* [15:08] xstorm Radek: ok boss
* [15:08] TaraLi Jie: *laughs*
* [15:09] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:09] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: calm down xstorm, before we have to tie you down again :p
* [15:09] TaraLi Jie: Go crash the SIM management is meeting on.
* [15:09] xstorm Radek: Time Dilation is bad in t his sim i see
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: alright well 1.38 FINALLY fully rolled to the grid
* [15:09] Memorial Dae: ok so status
* [15:09] Jessica Lyon: \o/
* [15:09] Ovaltine Constantine: YAY!
* [15:09] Memorial Dae: *:-.,_,.-:*'``'Yaaayyyy!!!:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
* [15:09] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: wolfpup, your voice is breaking up from time to time
* [15:10] Gearsawe Stonecutter: yippy
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: that release was not an easy one
* [15:10] Gearsawe Stonecutter: happy
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: Maestro needs a vacation
* [15:10] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: he now looks IRL like his avatar
* [15:10] Jessica Lyon: lol
* [15:10] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:10] xstorm Radek: lol
* [15:10] Memorial Dae: :)
* [15:10] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: poor maestro :p
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: this is a stressful job
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: I tell you what
* [15:10] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:10] Gooden Uggla: we appreciate the effort
* [15:10] Xugu Madison: hopes you're all getting a break!
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: made more stressful because we actually care about what we do :-)
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: breaks? there are no breaks
* [15:11] Memorial Dae: See I told you guys
* [15:11] Latif Khalifa: who is that with a pacifier so i can mute them? :P
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: I'm right on 1.40
* [15:11] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: if they do xugu, we wont be on SL for a while :p
* [15:11] Jessica Lyon: \o/ for Lindens who actually care
* [15:11] Gooden Uggla: doesn't milo get stuck with the next one?
* [15:11] ANSI Soderstrom: me, latif
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: I had to rotate in some fresh blood for Maestro though
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: he gets a break
* [15:11] Gooden Uggla: err... i mean get to do the next release?
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: more or less
* [15:11] Maestro Linden: actually, it's been pretty easy the past few days. No new bugs (only some support-like issues with regions not restarting properly, etc)
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: the pilot went well
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: and the grid looks good
* [15:12] Xugu Madison: loves 1.38
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: but pelase file any bugs you find on 1.38
* [15:12] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: just deny him access to SL for a week oscar, then he will have a break :p
* [15:12] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: haha
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: and let maestro or I know about anything monstrous
* [15:12] Maestro Linden: heh
* [15:12] Memorial Dae: makes note to re post prim ghosting
* [15:12] xstorm Radek: Oskar im getting reports from people about viewer 2 and group role settings and problem did the 1.38 do it or the viewer 2 ?
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: good question xstorm
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: there should still be a 1.36 region around here
* [15:13] Moy Loon: Ahern is 1.36
* [15:13] Ovaltine Constantine: Yeah I ran into one earlier
* [15:13] Ovaltine Constantine: Everything Im wearing got a script errir
* [15:13] Latif Khalifa: here Ahern
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: try it there when you can xstorm
* [15:13] Ovaltine Constantine: Teehee
* [15:13] Gearsawe Stonecutter: is standing in one now
* [15:13] xstorm Radek: ok i will look to see if it has the same
* [15:13] Gooden Uggla: in 1.36 sometimes you had to open the people chooser more than once to get the roles dropdown
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: so that's what we got for 1.38
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: I am ready to move on
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: we've got 2 weeks to cram as much into 1.40 as we can
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: the developers are helping us out on that
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: there is looking to be some cool new stuff
* [15:15] Ovaltine Constantine: What about 1.38.3? Whats different about that
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: not just havok 7
* [15:15] Xugu Madison: Oh, oh, oh, what can we expect? :)
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: I can't tell you :-D
* [15:15] Xugu Madison: Curses, foiled again
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: You will know as soon as the changeset is finalized
* [15:15] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [15:15] Moy Loon: I know some things o:
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: and then some stuff is tied to vwr 2.1
* [15:15] xstorm Radek: oh you can tell poor fish that 14000 ojects all set to physics and moving at the same time not only will kill physics in a sim but lock it up that way
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: and they're all secretive and stuff
* [15:15] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: pokes a red hot iron bar at oscar do tell :D
* [15:16] Xugu Madison: should start writing his own release notes "1.40: Increased magic. Latif now also gets 5 minute login delays on live"
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: red hot iron means nothing to me. I spend my evenings with a 7000 degree welding torch melting steel
* [15:16] Memorial Dae: Adding Ctrl - Alt - Shift - H? Oh that sounds like an excilent idea!
* [15:16] Ardy Lay: I'd rather fix SVC-5598
* [15:16] Latif Khalifa: lol Xugu
* [15:16] Chaley May: http textures
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: but 1.40 will be exciting
* [15:16] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: what about a pitchfork :p
* [15:16] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5598: 
* [#SVC-5598] Info reporting: on discontiguous parcels is not working as expected.
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: we are branching 1.40 on the 30th
* [15:16] TaraLi Jie: would love new Linden Plants
* [15:16] Latif Khalifa: that's what they told us about viewer 2 :P
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: I will try to get it deployed to ADITI that day
* [15:16] Memorial Dae: wow thats nice
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: then you can have the whole weekend to poke it with red hot iron bars
* [15:17] Ardy Lay: (I see it's marked as a viewer issue in comments.)
* [15:17] Xugu Madison: suspects script reporting will be left alone until the TC Malloc stuff in 1.42
* [15:17] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: all things going well we should have 4 solid weeks of public beta testing on ADITI
* [15:17] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: adleast he has humor, thats a plus :p
* [15:17] Xugu Madison: has to go to a wedding on the 1st, but after that I'll be there with the red hot iron!
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: then we can ship it late may / early June
* [15:17] TaraLi Jie: That would be nice.
* [15:17] Memorial Dae: I am looking forward to it in Hyboria, we have things lined up
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: ok Xugu
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: I am going to create a page where people can request the private regions they would like included for 1.40
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: but I don't have that yet
* [15:18] ANSI Soderstrom: . YAAY .
* [15:19] Gooden Uggla: excellent
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: I'm changing how I do that to help make it easier on our support resources
* [15:19] Ilana Debevec: I hope I'm not asking something I missed :) but is there a schedule for PRIM_NAME and PRIM_DESCRIPTION in llGet/SetPrimitiveParams?
* [15:19] TaraLi Jie: How big can ADITI get?
* [15:19] xstorm Radek: Oskar when Oatmeal 11 and 10 had problems there was about 14000 physic prims moving at any one time do you think may be there need to be a limit set to how many objects can be set to physics at any one time in a mainland sim ?
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: how big can it get?
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: I don't know Ilana
* [15:20] TaraLi Jie: How many machines are assigned to it?
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: it can get as big as we have servers for
* [15:20] Xugu Madison: Ilana, no schedule, but I'm fairly certain it's on someone's to-do list, probably after "sleep"
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: a fwe hundred regions easily
* [15:20] Maestro Linden: Ilana: the original goal was to have that in 1.40, but it might get delayed until 1.42
* [15:20] Ilana Debevec: heh, well Babbage THOUGHT he could get int in 1.38.0/,1... but I think thihngs got in the way
* [15:20] TaraLi Jie: Ok - so you're not worried about a flood of people wanting their regions copied to ADITI.
* [15:20] Gooden Uggla: my squad of shopping addicts can't wait, they're very excited...
* [15:20] Latif Khalifa: Ilana, I think kelly said PRIM_NAME and PRIM_DESC are done and ready to be included in 1.40
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: I'll communicate about the private region requests next week. then start taking them to get a list that we can make sure stay up
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: we're kind of in a lull period this week
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: since 1.38 is out
* [15:21] Memorial Dae: The same regions from the old list should still be in for this deploy yes?
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: and 1.40 is still congealing
* [15:21] Ilana Debevec: I wish they would make a llSetLinkName and a llGet/SetLinkDesc too, times when it's a lot of hassle to do the full call
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: Memorial, I am creating a brand new list
* [15:21] Memorial Dae: ah ok
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: all regions are going off any list they are on
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: and only ones newly requested get added
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: I'll communicate that more clearly next week
* [15:22] xstorm Radek: Oskar can the Trendone mainland sim be on this test server to test on ?
* [15:22] Ilana Debevec: hushs and will check the transcripts when they get oiut for what she missed
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: wait xstorm
* [15:22] xstorm Radek: k
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: so like I said this is kind of a slow week
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: 1.38.3 is going out in a few weeks but really has nothing major
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: there is some havok 4 logging added
* [15:23] xstorm Radek: 4 ?
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: the developers wanted to get some metrics on current havok performance so they can compare it to havok 7 once it goes live and see how ossm it is
* [15:23] xstorm Radek: oh ok
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: it's a simple little non invasive change
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: just logs some new metrics on the server side
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: we're holding the door for emergency fixes, but none have come in yet
* [15:24] Xugu Madison: "simple little non invasive change" - famous last words :)
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:24] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: properly QA'd of course
* [15:24] Rocky Pickles: it will only cause a crash if you say 'shazbot'
* [15:24] Memorial Dae: :)
* [15:24] Xugu Madison: well that's no fun!
* [15:24] Moundsa Mayo: Still, incremental load on simulator, one assumes.
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: I'm not sure Moundsa. it didn't look like it
* [15:25] Ilana Debevec: Xugu - outta my head :) ((famous last words indeed :) :) :) ))
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: but if your bunny farm dies let me know
* [15:25] Maestro Linden: the logging is pretty sparse, so I don't think the impact will be large <Moundsa
* [15:25] Memorial Dae: lol
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: let's jump to SVC-5411
* [15:25] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5411: 
* [#SVC-5411] "accepted/declined inventory": notice under server 1.36.0
* [15:25] xstorm Radek: Oskar is it crazy of me to ask for a user side sim graph system to see if object and render calls on object are snowing down a sim ?
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: yes
* [15:26] xstorm Radek: :-(
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: I had Alexa look into I had Alexa look into it
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: hah
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: I had her look into SVC-5411
* [15:27] Memorial Dae: I think if you start having trouble walking fast you will know there is an issue
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: first I had heard about it though
* [15:27] Latif Khalifa: ~300 vores
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: it always makes me smile when people add notes in JIRA for bugs that are like "I filed a ticket for this bug and got no response"
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: well yeah... it's a bug
* [15:28] xstorm Radek: lol
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: I really don't know anything about it
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: so I have nothing to add
* [15:28] Xugu Madison: makes a note "Add muffin recipies to JIRA, confuse Oskar"
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: recipes would be too hard
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: just ship them premade
* [15:28] Xugu Madison: I'm in the UK. That wouldn't end well
* [15:28] Ardy Lay: Hehe
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: unless they are WoW muffin recipes of the spider or something
* [15:28] Moundsa Mayo: Send email to local bakery for hand delivery.
* [15:28] xstorm Radek: hey thats why i do not do a Jira unless i can get the problem more then one time
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: in that case send them to Osskarr on Ravencrest
* [15:29] Xugu Madison: Oskar, if you're in Seattle, I'll be there in September, I'll buy you muffins, sound good?
* [15:29] Latif Khalifa: so how about SVC-5411
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: you feeling ok Latif?
* [15:29] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:29] Latif Khalifa: why wouldn't I?
* [15:29] ANSI Soderstrom: o.O
* [15:29] xstorm Radek: ok every one no more Jira's Oskar needs some time off lol
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: pretty sure I just spent 5 mintues talking about SVC-5411
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: ok Xugu
* [15:30] Memorial Dae: 4 minutes 10.4 seconds
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: I do need time off
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: any good palces to vacation at this year?
* [15:30] Latif Khalifa: excetp snarky remarks about users misfiling support tickets i didn't see anything substantial in there
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: I want to go camping soon
* [15:30] Memorial Dae: Naples Florida
* [15:30] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol, you can go to the netherlands, lots of things to see :)
* [15:30] Jessica Lyon: raises hand.. "Canada eh!"
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: I can be snarky. sorry. I said I had alexa looking into it
* [15:31] xstorm Radek: Oskar go to the Trendone sim as a new person
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: but I don't know anything more about it myself
* [15:31] Latif Khalifa: ok, fair enough
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: that's all I've got
* [15:31] ANSI Soderstrom: and whats your story ?
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: it has been imported though
* [15:31] Memorial Dae: Wi not trei a holiday in Sweden this yer?
* [15:32] Rocky Pickles: the gulf coast this time of year is quite inexpensive.. i suggest the pier house in galveston
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: oooh I was thinking Sweden actually
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: since I am half Swedish
* [15:32] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: and we have offices there now
* [15:32] Opensource Obscure: (( wasn't that monty python ? ))
* [15:32] xstorm Radek: OMG!! Sweden is real :-O
* [15:32] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: what about teh Amsterdam office?
* [15:32] Memorial Dae: I guess it could be if you do a bit more
* [15:32] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: has it been opened yet?
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: I'll visit them too
* [15:33] ANSI Soderstrom: to smoke weed ? O.o
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: I want to make like a european vacation / working thing :-)
* [15:33] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: didnt see anything on the LL website so far at least..
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: yeah... Seattleites need to go to Europe to get their weed
* [15:33] xstorm Radek: import photos im to old to log off SL now
* [15:33] Memorial Dae: I thought they went to canada eh?
* [15:33] Memorial Dae: BC?
* [15:33] Opensource Obscure: i may host you here in italy Oskar : )
* [15:33] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: to get weed, you need to go to Amsterdam, no other country here allowes it :p
* [15:33] Latif Khalifa: talar du svensk?
* [15:34] ANSI Soderstrom: dont understand me wrong, i amsterdam is smoking weed legal
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: hmm, so SVC-5411 looks like it was an expected behaviour change
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: not sure why though
* [15:34] Memorial Dae: Den majesttiska lg! :)
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: maybe becaduse even without the messages, the person receives the inventory?
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: there might have been a security patch related to that
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: Memorial er du svensk?
* [15:34] xstorm Radek: Oskar stay away from CT they still do not know what real Internet is yet
* [15:34] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: ik kan ook wel Nederlands praten als dat moet :p
* [15:35] Memorial Dae: Nej jag r inte
* [15:35] Xugu Madison: ANSI, strictly speaking it's illegal, but you won't be arrested for small amounts. It's an odd system.
* [15:35] Maestro Linden: I can decline an inventory offer, then pick it out of my trash and keep the item :)
* [15:35] Rex Cronon: why don't u go see that now famous vulcano that stopped traffic over most of europe:)
* [15:35] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, I bet it's because of viewer 2.0, which auto accepts inventory
* [15:35] Latif Khalifa: brain dead UI which also causes sim downgrade
* [15:35] Latif Khalifa: go figure
* [15:35] Rex Cronon: air traffic*
* [15:35] ANSI Soderstrom: i dont smoke weed, iam in germany
* [15:35] Xugu Madison: Maestro, sure, but it'll be all icky....
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: yeah...
* [15:35] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: no latif, i can not speak zwedish :p
* [15:36] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: swedish*
* [15:36] Latif Khalifa: Meastre, declining inventory does not return it to the sender, it never did
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: so anyway. that's all I had from an official pov today. like I said we're in a slow period between major releases
* [15:36] Maestro Linden: right, that's my point
* [15:36] Latif Khalifa: all it did was put it in trash and send declined to the sender
* [15:36] Maestro Linden: and before you hit "accept", the object would already be in your inventory
* [15:36] Latif Khalifa: but you did get some feedback
* [15:36] Latif Khalifa: now feedack is gone
* [15:36] Rex Cronon: btw. r there any terminals her on beta that give away free L$?
* [15:36] xstorm Radek: lol
* [15:36] Rex Cronon: here on*
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: I guess I can continue with the story "Who is Oskar?"
* [15:37] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: usually is maestro, decline is decline, so it should not even be in there :p
* [15:37] Ardy Lay: Were the accepted and declined messages being spoofed causing support traffic?
* [15:37] Xugu Madison: was sure for a while items hovered in never-never land until you accepted or denied, and it got changed due to lost stuff. Could just be crazy though.
* [15:37] Latif Khalifa: Maestro, also depends on who is sending it, if it's an object, it actually waits for you to hit accept before its' in your inv
* [15:37] Memorial Dae: Oh yes BETA, did we ever get that little URL thingie for testing land purchasing again?
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: or we can continue chatting about inv offers and stuff
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: what url Memorial?
* [15:37] Gooden Uggla: oscar is there anything you want specifically tested this week?
* [15:37] Lares Carter: sorry, i am late. you already got to SVC-5411?
* [15:37] Xugu Madison: Oskar should tell us about himself. For future blackmail opportunities... I mean, reference....
* [15:38] Latif Khalifa: Lares "expected behaviour", though shall not know if they accepted your offer
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: oh that's true, Latif. though the object didn't get the confirmation messages ever
* [15:38] Lares Carter: thats not nice, i heard a lot of ppl complain about it
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: by accepting the TOS you can no longer blackmail me
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: so thank you all for accepting that
* [15:38] Gooden Uggla: :)
* [15:38] ANSI Soderstrom: quiet please.. iam on air and oskar wants to tell his story
* [15:38] Dimentox Travanti: The last tos i signed i gave away my first born and my car
* [15:39] Alpha 5: Ready! Type 'bs help' for a list of commands.
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: so it all started way back in the 70's in the middle of Michigan farm country
* [15:39] Xugu Madison: has no first born or car, WIN!
* [15:39] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: we can infact oscar :p
* [15:39] Jessica Lyon: lol
* [15:39] Dimentox Travanti: that was to login in to sl
* [15:39] WolfPup Lowenhar: scratches head TOS never saw that :/
* [15:39] Rex Cronon: oskar. u didn't read the small script. there is a part that says u r excluded from it:)
* [15:39] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: there are always ways to blackmail somoene ;p
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: baby oskar was brought into the world on leap year day 1976 :-)
* [15:39] Rex Cronon: small print*
* [15:39] Dimentox Travanti: cool i was 1776
* [15:39] Dimentox Travanti: :P
* [15:39] Memorial Dae: starts singing a late 70's song
* [15:39] ANSI Soderstrom: u are one year older than me ?
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: yes I am only 8 years old
* [15:40] Latif Khalifa: hehe
* [15:40] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:40] Moy Loon: Age ban
* [15:40] Gooden Uggla: oohhh oscar is underage!
* [15:40] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: age ban indeed :p
* [15:40] Xugu Madison: Curses, Oskar can do maths faster than me :(
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: I lived in Michigan for a few years and then moved to Arizona
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: I was actually home schooled most of my life
* [15:40] Gooden Uggla: he's 6! awesome
* [15:40] xstorm Radek: bs speed 400
* [15:40] Alpha 5: speed is now 400
* [15:40] Jessica Lyon: that explains it >.> lol
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: it might
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: after arizona my family moved to Georgia
* [15:41] Gooden Uggla: oops, my math sucks
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: where I lived til I was 16
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: I went to the only high school in the state of georgia that has ever lost its high school state accredidation
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: although that was years after I left
* [15:41] Jessica Lyon: was your fault
* [15:42] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol, think ill be happy with my 27 yrs :p
* [15:42] Latif Khalifa: ll
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: imagine how bad a school has to be in Gerogia to lose state accredidation
* [15:42] Gooden Uggla: i'm sure they forgive you :)
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: once I left it all went down hill from there
* [15:42] Xugu Madison: I was going to say, plenty of time for credible deniability, right?
* [15:42] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: 1982
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: my first computer was a Sany MBC-555
* [15:42] Jessica Lyon: vic-20 here
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: dual 5-1/4' floppy drives!
* [15:42] Memorial Dae: Heathkit solid state
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: and a green tinted external display
* [15:42] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: first computer was a NES 8-bit
* [15:42] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:42] xstorm Radek: Sany MBC ?
* [15:42] Xugu Madison: Floppy drives! I started on a BBC B with tapes!
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: ran some cracked version of sanyo dos
* [15:43] Latif Khalifa: prolly Sanyo
* [15:43] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: oh wait, i had even a atari :p
* [15:43] xstorm Radek: that make you in your 40's
* [15:43] Gooden Uggla: commodore 64 with paper tape (won in a poker game)
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: technically I did have 'pong' when I was 5, but my grades dropped so my dad sold it
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: T_T
* [15:43] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: or however that thing was called, black box... famous
* [15:43] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:43] Moundsa Mayo: MOD-8 kit
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: my first real computer was a mac plus
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: I was a hypercard programming genius
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: :-p
* [15:43] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: real pc wasa 286
* [15:44] Gooden Uggla: *smiles*
* [15:44] xstorm Radek: lol i think i can come up with how young Oskar is lol
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: I used that mac plus til I went to college
* [15:44] Jessica Lyon: my first real pc was a 286 as well.
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: well since I said I was born in 76 I hope you can xstorm
* [15:44] xstorm Radek: lol]
* [15:44] xstorm Radek: true
* [15:44] Xugu Madison: Oskar's 8. We already covered this
* [15:44] xstorm Radek: my old eyes did not see that
* [15:44] Gooden Uggla: ironically he's around the mean age of the average SL user :)
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: I was lucky to go to a high school that had a very progressive technology program
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: (until they lost accredidation that is)
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: learned a lot there
* [15:45] xstorm Radek: i wish i had
* [15:45] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: oscar, think your 31
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: eventually moved to Seattle to start taking college/ high school classes
* [15:45] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: 1976 isnt a leap year :p
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: actually it is
* [15:45] Gooden Uggla: 34
* [15:45] Gooden Uggla: or 8
* [15:46] Gooden Uggla: and a half
* [15:46] Memorial Dae: 1976 was the year of the coolest trans am ever made
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: anyway, long story short I gradute from high school and enroll in a seattle area university
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: oh and I was an Eagle Scout
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: FWIW
* [15:46] xstorm Radek: :-)
* [15:46] Jessica Lyon: lol
* [15:46] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: februari 1976 shows till day 28
* [15:46] Xugu Madison: So what did ya do at uni?
* [15:46] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: atleast.. on windows calendar
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: wow
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: best windows slam evar
* [15:46] Gooden Uggla: most interesting
* [15:46] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:47] xstorm Radek: in 1976 i was hit by a car
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: I was actually going to make a windows joke
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: but you beat me to it with the truth
* [15:47] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: :p
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: so I start taking Electrical Engineering and Fine Arts classes
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: I was double majoring
* [15:47] Xugu Madison: Electrical.... wait, what, TOGETHER?
* [15:47] Latif Khalifa: February 1976
* Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
* 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
* 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
* 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
* 22 23 24 25 26 27 28
* 29
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: yeah
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: I'm very right brained
* [15:48] Ilana Debevec: YBWCTO
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: but it didn't work out
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: the higher level math classes beat the crap out of me
* [15:48] Gooden Uggla: he mentioned welding, i imagine oskar is a sculptor
* [15:48] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: hmm.. 5 yrs oscar?
* [15:48] Jessica Lyon: ugh @ math
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: so I went into Computer Science
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: since I could make the comptuers do the math for me
* [15:48] Xugu Madison: Yes! Enslave the computers.....
* [15:48] Jessica Lyon: calculators = best invention ever
* [15:48] xstorm Radek: hhhmmm women use more of there right brain and men there left more
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: I was a _little_ too distracted with programming a MUD
* [15:49] Gooden Uggla: genuflects towards texas instruments
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: and well, I got kicked out of college
* [15:49] Xugu Madison: Oskar, which MUD?
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: just like that
* [15:49] Jessica Lyon: lol
* [15:49] Jessica Lyon: writes that down
* [15:49] Xugu Madison: Sucks :(
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: they said I was bringing down their national GPA
* [15:49] TaraLi Jie: Definition of Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over, expecting something different to happen.
* [15:49] TaraLi Jie: Problem with Windows: It rewards this behavior.
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: the real story was that I wasn't on the soccer team
* [15:49] Jessica Lyon: haha
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: those kids had horrible grades
* [15:49] WolfPup Lowenhar: oskar MUD's can be fun :p
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: but that school loved their soccer
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: I had a ton of fun MUDding
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: it was some star wars MUD
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: I forget the name
* [15:50] xstorm Radek: i wish i had the money to have gone to school like you did Oskar
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: been too long
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: but I did get real solid unix training while working for the comptuer department on campus
* [15:50] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol, i kinda had a bet with the admin of my school, proofing that Novell had a hole in its protection back then. He said it havnt and would give me a PC if i could show it. I did and got kicked out
* [15:50] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: I had some good bosses who really taught me solid logical analytical procedures I still use
* [15:51] xstorm Radek: ? what year of Unix ?
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: 94-96
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: around then
* [15:51] xstorm Radek: wow
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: still a blut
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: got in early on web development with lynx and spry mosaic :-D
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: blur I meant to say
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: so I was able to easily get contracted at MS right out of 'college'
* [15:51] ANSI Soderstrom: 94-96 ive beeen in the army O.o
* [15:51] xstorm Radek: Pratt & Whitney was using Unix on there systems around that time
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: I built most of the original Expedia web site
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: then my contract was up and I went to europe for the summer
* [15:52] Xugu Madison: ANSI; I have to admit, if I saw you coming, I'd run :)
* [15:52] ANSI Soderstrom: lol
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: pretty much the rest of my work experience is mixed betweeen world travelling and 1 year contracts
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: I worked for MS Press for a while
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: then a handful of other web related startups whose names I can no longer remember
* [15:53] Gooden Uggla: and now... you came home to the most awesome MUD ever made...
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: I used to work at egghead software too
* [15:53] xstorm Radek: your a very smart man Oskar my hats off to ya lad
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: heh anyone remember them?
* [15:53] TaraLi Jie: *laughs* I do!
* [15:53] Xugu Madison: doesn't, sorry
* [15:53] Maestro Linden: Yeah, I bought some games from there when I was 8 or so
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: my first QA position at egghead was when I was 18
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: soooooooooo long ago now
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: 1994 probably
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: wow
* [15:53] TaraLi Jie: *laughs*
* [15:54] Rex Cronon: this isn't a game. unless u consider your OS one:)
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: after my stints at Microsoft I worked for about 8 years at Real Networks
* [15:54] Xugu Madison: Rex; what, your shell doesn't handle "look" "pick up <file>", etc.? :)
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: I worked on everything there
* [15:54] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: windows is a game, a game you will loose most of the time...
* [15:54] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:54] Opensource Obscure: was Philip around there at the time?
* [15:54] xstorm Radek: i remember paper punch tape system and reel to reel 9 track system and starter tape timing
* [15:54] Latif Khalifa: lol from microsoft to real
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: from Real jukebox to the RealONE site to RealPlayer
* [15:54] ANSI Soderstrom: on everything ? where are u at september 11 ?
* [15:54] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: better said, windows is a virus, it keeps pushing its luck
* [15:54] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: I had just gotten laid off by Real
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: on 9/11
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: all told Real fired me about 6 times
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: they just kept hiring me back
* [15:55] xstorm Radek: and Bell Telex system and flashing eproms
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: real is a horrible company to work for
* [15:55] Latif Khalifa: makes horrible products too
* [15:55] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: real isnt a company, its a mess
* [15:55] Opensource Obscure: was Philip Rosedale still at Real when you were working there?
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: the joke goes like this "Guess how many people work at Real?" "Oh about half"
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: I missed Philip by about ayear
* [15:55] Jessica Lyon: LOL
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: he got out at the right time
* [15:56] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [15:56] xstorm Radek: lol
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: when I look back at all of it... I owe a lot to Philip
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: I have basically made my living on things he invented
* [15:56] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: i see him come on SL from time to time
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: for more than a decade
* [15:56] Jessica Lyon: Oskar, I gotta go.. we gotta meeting in a few mins. Thanks for the OH! hugs!
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: anyway, Real is a horrible place to work
* [15:56] xstorm Radek: well my wife needs me laterz Oskar :-)
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: but it's downtown Seattle and in a good location
* [15:56] xstorm Radek: thank you so much
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: kk
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: l8r)
* [15:57] Opensource Obscure: Oskar, a question before the meeting is over ..
* [15:57] xstorm Radek: :-)
* [15:57] Opensource Obscure: a request about both those lists - Agni Pilot regions + regions being added to Aditi. I understand you're going to clear those lists, right? I'm Estate manager over LOL region, and willing to help with testing, but the actual owner is rarely inworld and usually busy. So it's not very practical for him to re-send requests (he already sent both requests). Instead, I'm often available and it's me who would do testing. Can this be solved someway?
* [15:57] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: bye x
* [15:57] Techwolf Lupindo: Oh my Oskar, are yo teh one that make real into the pos software we all hate?
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: I started taking welding and metal fab classes to take off the stress of Real
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: no TL, it was the company as a whole
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: vp's who come in for 3 months and want ask.com toolbars shoved in
* [15:58] Huns Valen: I love toolbars
* [15:58] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: philip friended me just before he went off to work on his new project
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: the sad thing is that people make sick amounts of money on those install things
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: google paid something like $4 per google toolbar install
* [15:58] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: ask.com ??? ugh.. hate that toolbar
* [15:58] Sebastean Steamweaver: phwomps
* [15:58] Sebastean Steamweaver: Ahg
* [15:58] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: keeps messing up my pc when i installed it
* [15:58] Sebastean Steamweaver: Almost missed
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: for some reason Real Player was HUGE in China
* [15:58] Xugu Madison: $4? I'm so putting Google toolbar in stuff :)
* [15:58] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: hey sebas
* [15:58] Sebastean Steamweaver: Could I get a last-minute recap of what I didn't ehar?
* [15:58] Sebastean Steamweaver: hear*
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: and every single morning every internet cafe in China would reimage their machines and reinstall google toolbar
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: think about that revenue
* [15:59] Opensource Obscure: oskar's 6.
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: and you'll know why Real is still around
* [15:59] Rex Cronon: u lost the life story of oskar:)
* [15:59] TaraLi Jie: OMG!!!!!!!!
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: I'm almost done
* [15:59] Huns Valen: real is a shite format
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: so... Real booted me for the last time
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: (the format wasn't shite. it was ahead of its time. the apps sucked)
* [16:00] TaraLi Jie: Agreed.
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: so
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: I got a job doing TIG welding at a racing shop
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: that was fun for like a week
* [16:00] TaraLi Jie: Raped the codecs out of it, and most other players did great with Real.
* [16:00] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: i use winamp, i never installed real player. i hated that so much that i banned it from my pc
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: then I was like "I am not made for blue collar work"
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: so I went to Japan for 3 months
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: then Australia for 3 months
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: bought a motorcycle in Australia and drove around the country
* [16:01] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
* [16:01] TaraLi Jie: Fun!
* [16:01] Huns Valen: to be more specific real was a shite format to encode anything in because until realalternative you had to install this dreadful bloaty player
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: then came back here and Linden was like "You are AWESOME!!! Come work for us"
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: THE END
* [16:01] Xugu Madison: Win!
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: yay
* [16:01] Latif Khalifa: :D
* [16:01] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol, well a good ending then :p
* [16:01] Opensource Obscure: good indeed i'd say