Open Source Meeting/2009-09-03

[14:00]	Squirrel Wood: 	Hello Rob!
[14:01]	Rob Linden: 	hi folks
[14:01]	Economic Core: 	aand now I go grab some more caffeine.
[14:01]	Kerry Giha: 	Hello Rob
[14:01]	Twisted Laws: 	hi Rob
[14:01]	Techwolf Lupindo: 	Hi rob
[14:02]	Squirrel Wood: 	Aaaaaagenda is here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda (Aaaaaagenda is here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda)
[14:02]	Mealea Ying: 	Hi everyone
[14:02]	Rob Linden: 	oops...looks like it wasn't cleared from last week
[14:02]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi is back too. 	Sahkolihaa Contepomi is back too.
[14:02]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	Hey Rob & Merov.
[14:03]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	50% of VS 2005 Express downloaded.
[14:03]	Economic Core: 	back
[14:04]	Merov Linden: 	hi guys
[14:04]	Rob Linden: 	so, I just threw a few things in the agenda just now
[14:04]	Rob Linden: 	first thing:
 	[#SNOW-215] OGP Interop login/teleport 	[#SNOW-215] OGP Interop login/teleport
[14:05]	Rob Linden: 	as mentioned on the list, I'm looking for more eyes on this patch before committing it.
[14:05]	Merov Linden: 	loooong patch...
[14:05]	Pixel Gausman: 	yes, so the OGP patch is big. and needs eyes on it. I'm working on a test plan <blush> sorry for not including that initially
[14:06]	Pixel Gausman: 	i'm usually in #opensl and happy to answer questions there.
[14:06]	Rob Linden: 	no worries...we haven't been religous about asking for them, but this one is intrusive enough that it seems wise
[14:06]	Economic Core: 	oh wait, this isn't a bug triage in general. /me fixes sign...
[14:06]	Thickbrick Sleaford: 	any chance of breaking it down to components?
[14:06]	Twisted Laws: 	it'd be the same as the linden logon/tp/etc test plan, right?
[14:07]	Pixel Gausman: 	if you are testing OGP mode, robla, vaak is err ummm... a easily excitable
[14:07]	Pixel Gausman: 	ThickBrick: breaking the test plan down into components?
[14:07]	Thickbrick Sleaford: 	I was thinking about breaking the patch down
[14:07]	Merov Linden: 	there's a new UI panel in there so likely some new test steps/scenarios
[14:08]	Pixel Gausman: 	Thick: i wish@
[14:08]	Twisted Laws: 	true
[14:08]	Pixel Gausman: 	wish!
[14:08]	Pixel Gausman: 	Merov: yes, the UI changes a smidge, but fairly isolated
[14:08]	Rob Linden: 	Pixel: I'm less concerned with testing the OGP aspects of this as I am making sure the patch doesn't break use on the production grid. Both are important, but production grid bugs will make us slip 1.2
[14:08]	Merov Linden: 	also URI of a grid that supports said OGP 100% (since vaak is "excitable")
[14:09]	Pixel Gausman: 	Rob: totally true. It's the non-OGP that needs a bucket of testing
[14:09]	Pixel Gausman: 	The OGP code is going to be changing as the spec evolves
[14:10]	Rob Linden: 	how different are things in the non-OGP case?
[14:10]	Pixel Gausman: 	Merov: well, IBM is open sourcing an agent domain implementation in a few days, we'll need to find someone that wants to host it, hopefully an OpenSimmie will
[14:11]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Back. WOOT Pixel, great stuff, it's the start of something! Well done :-))
[14:11]	Economic Core: 	If I had more than 768k DSL, I'd host it.
[14:11]	Pixel Gausman: 	Rob: non-OGP mode changes: it's intended not to have different non-OGP functionality, other than the following (off the top of my head):
[14:12]	Pixel Gausman: 	the login panel moves the Start Location combobox slightly
[14:13]	Pixel Gausman: 	some of the debug info that goes into SecondLife.log might have gotten tagged as "Wearables" or "Inventory" where it was previously just llinfos
[14:13]	Pixel Gausman: 	thx Morgaine (thx Morgaine)
[14:13]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi mumbles something about VS 2005 throwing an error while installing. :|	Sahkolihaa Contepomi mumbles something about VS 2005 throwing an error while installing. :|
[14:13]	Pixel Gausman: 	mmm, i think everything else should be the same
[14:14]	Pixel Gausman: 	in testing non-OGP mode, people do lots of testing on Inventory ( and yes, that will be in my test plan)
[14:14]	Rob Linden: 	ok...that's good
[14:15]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Darn, I wish the OGP stuff could be made pluggable. It's going to be changing a lot, and it's quite a pain to have a new viewer every time.
[14:15]	Mojito Sorbet: 	That is a general comment about lots of things.
[14:16]	Pixel Gausman: 	Morgaine: it will get better, i hope
[14:16]	Economic Core: 	Maybe we should start working towards pluggable architecture?
[14:16]	Pixel Gausman: 	i'm definitely learning where the pain points are in changing the viewer
[14:16]	Mojito Sorbet: 	Yes, pleeeze
[14:16]	Mojito Sorbet: 	I am having toruble just getting the whole environment set up on Vista to be able to edit the damn thing
[14:17]	Rob Linden: 	let's move on before we go too far repeating the pluggable architecture discussion
[14:17]	Rob Linden: 	:)
[14:17]	Vincent Nacon: 	I'm wondering when will Linden Lab stop support open source? Because legal matter over copybot
[14:17]	Economic Core: 	It's even worse trying to setup a standalone build on debian for Meerkat
[14:17]	Mealea Ying: 	wouldent thaat nessitate upgrading a slew of plugins? or would there be an AutoUpgrade Plugin?
[14:17]	Mojito Sorbet: 	Thunderbird seems to manage it
[14:17]	Economic Core: 	Vincent: The cat's already out of the bag, thwey can't really stop their OS viewer stuff
[14:17]	Geneko Nemeth: 	What can be seen can be copied. You can't stop it ever, properitary software merely impede that from happening, but it will still be possible.
[14:17]	Morgaine Dinova: 	True, Mojito. Although OGP is going to be changing for *years* (seriously), so this is pretty important. Even if the whole viewer isn't modular, this is one part that will cause eternal pain if it's not.
[14:18]	Pixel Gausman: 	So any questions come to mind, i'm suzyq in #opensl
[14:18]	Pixel Gausman: 	in IRC (in IRC)
[14:18]	Vincent Nacon: 	I agree but supporting open source only make it easier
[14:18]	Economic Core: 	Not really
[14:18]	Rob Linden: 	moving on, if you've been following the sldev-commits list, you've seen some activity on the Media Plugin stuff
[14:18]	Economic Core: 	Copyb ot was made prior to the OSViewer
[14:18]	Mealea Ying: 	thankyou Rob
[14:19]	Melinda Latynina: 	it's not the open source that makes it easier but the OGP. please take copybot issues there?
[14:19]	Aimee Trescothick: 	\o/
[14:19]	Rob Linden: 	the exports get attributed to CG, but in fact, Merov is working on merging the Media Plugin stuff, with the ultimate goal of landing it in Snowglobe
[14:19]	Vincent Nacon: 	nope, sorry, open source ned to be canceled in order to recode the server's data packet
[14:19]	Economic Core: 	...
[14:19]	Economic Core wallbangs 	Economic Core wallbangs
[14:20]	Pixel Gausman: 	go Merov!
[14:20]	Merov Linden: 	thanks Pixel
[14:20]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Vincent, perhaps this world is not the one you were looking for.
[14:20]	Pixel Gausman: 	Really excited to see the Mediaplugin stuff
[14:20]	Techwolf Lupindo: 	I think Vincent is looking for Blue Marble.
[14:20]	Merov Linden: 	I'm in the throes in merging media plugin in my local snowglone repo
[14:20]	Vincent Nacon: 	maybe not but companies are starting to wonder where the leaks are coming from
[14:21]	Economic Core: 	Vincent, Copybot is completely independant of the Linden viewers, it's based on LibOMV, which was reverse-engineered prior to LL releasing the code to their viewer
[14:21]	Morgaine Dinova sighs 	Morgaine Dinova sighs
[14:21]	Mealea Ying: 	Im wondering where you are from
[14:21]	Aimee Trescothick: 	can we stick to the agenda please
[14:21]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi agrees with Aimee. 	Sahkolihaa Contepomi agrees with Aimee.
[14:21]	Vincent Nacon: 	yes, meaning it's time to recode their data packet
[14:21]	Mealea Ying shuts up and feeds not the trolls 	Mealea Ying shuts up and feeds not the trolls
[14:22]	Morgaine Dinova puts away the troll snacks too 	Morgaine Dinova puts away the troll snacks too
[14:22]	Economic Core: 	Vincent, do a little more homework before cming here and complaining about stuff. Moving on.
[14:22]	Rob Linden: 	the merge of the Media Plugin stuff is going to be pretty disruptive
[14:22]	Pixel Gausman: 	Merov: when will the Media pluging be done being integrated?
[14:22]	Twisted Laws: 	and you could just use the graphics layer in the computer under the viewer to catch everything
[14:22]	Pixel Gausman: 	Rob: why disruptive?
[14:22]	Rob Linden: 	Pixel: it touches a lot of code
[14:23]	Merov Linden: 	I'm planning to integrate in an internal branch for the moment
[14:23]	Merov Linden: 	so I'm not destabilizing the trunk
[14:23]	Economic Core: 	Disruptive as in it'll cause a riot or because the code merging will be like Mars and Earth colliding?
[14:23]	Vincent Nacon: 	ID and Raven has no problem with DLL branching to use their 3d engine from being taken
[14:23]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	Mars and Earth colliding...haha, nice way to put it.
[14:23]	Merov Linden: 	no, it's not *that* disruptive Ecinomic
[14:23]	Rob Linden: 	Vincent: please stay on topic
[14:23]	Pixel Gausman: 	it touches different code than my big blobby OGP thing, me thinks
[14:23]	Techwolf Lupindo: 	No DLLs please.
[14:24]	Merov Linden: 	I think soPixel
[14:24]	Economic Core: 	DLLs?! On my Linux viewer?! *shudders* (DLLs?! On my Linux viewer?! * shudders *)
[14:24]	Techwolf Lupindo: 	This is cross platform, not windows only that uses dlls.
[14:24]	Morgaine Dinova: 	I think the word "disruptive" was unnecessarily dramatic. :-))) Sure, a lot of code will change, but that doesn't have to mean breakage. Needs much testing of course.
[14:24]	Mojito Sorbet: 	The concept is portable.
[14:25]	Merov Linden: 	the delicate part of the merge is that both LLMedia and http-texture (which is in SnowGlobe) made modif in similar parts (threads, texture rendering)
[14:25]	Rob Linden: 	Morgaine: it's lots of changes under the hood, though
[14:25]	Pixel Gausman: 	Merov: good point
[14:25]	Economic Core: 	Sure, but that doesn't mean it's not doable.
[14:25]	Merov Linden: 	it's not contradicting each other but the auto merge only goes so far
[14:25]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	Tech, I think your mic is on.
[14:25]	Merov Linden: 	i.e. not far at all
[14:26]	Thickbrick Sleaford: 	Merov, this will include the improvemtns to ointeraction with the media-on-a-prim prims?
[14:26]	Mojito Sorbet: 	Making the viewer modular has to happen at some point, to make these major additions easier.
[14:26]	Mealea Ying: 	BlooKitty just bit it
[14:26]	Merov Linden: 	Thickbrick : yeap (Thickbrick: yeap)
[14:26]	Thickbrick Sleaford: 	great!
[14:26]	Pixel Gausman: 	Thick: i think LLMedia even does Laundry and dirty dishes.
[14:26]	Tiny Blue Kitty Head: All Go 	Tiny Blue Kitty Head: All Go
[14:26]	Economic Core: 	Well yeah, but it'll be a while before the code can be wrestled into a position where it is modular
[14:26]	Pixel Gausman: 	it's seriously cool
[14:26]	Merov Linden: 	Mojite: LLMEdia does include a plugin architecture
[14:27]	Merov Linden: 	it's limited to media rendering true
[14:27]	Aimee Trescothick: 	\o/\o/\o/
[14:27]	Mojito Sorbet: 	And that is a great start
[14:27]	Merov Linden: 	but it's a start
[14:27]	Economic Core: 	Right now, everything is bound to the UI
[14:27]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Rob, I crashed but caught your comment about log of things changing under the hood. kk
[14:27]	Merov Linden: 	I'd certainly like us (SnowGlobe) to look into this and see where we could go with it
[14:28]	Merov Linden: 	from a plugin architecture standpoint
[14:28]	Merov Linden: 	didn't take long for Aimee to do something with it and generate loads of buzz :)
[14:28]	Mealea Ying: 	Could something like Motioncapture data (bvh?) be used live as media?
[14:28]	Aimee Trescothick: 	:)
[14:28]	Mojito Sorbet: 	I am currently building an addon to add accessibility features. I can give you some ideas on the kind of things I need to get my hands on
[14:28]	Economic Core: 	Would it be possible to ask if you could also work on separating the UI and the backend so that everything isn't shoved into the UI?
[14:29]	Merov Linden: 	Mealea: Mocap! Ha! that's my pony :)
[14:29]	Mealea Ying grins! (grins!) 	Mealea Ying grins! (grins!)
[14:29]	Economic Core: 	It's kind of difficult to make the UI scriptable when the backend and the UI are so tightly interfaced
[14:29]	Pixel Gausman: 	Mojito: we have an alternative accessibility viewer for the blind.
[14:29]	Mealea Ying likes Ponys 	Mealea Ying likes Ponys
[14:29]	Mojito Sorbet: 	Pixel, who is "we"??
[14:29]	Economic Core: 	IBM?
[14:30]	Pixel Gausman: 	we == IBM
[14:30]	Pixel Gausman: 	yeah
[14:30]	Mojito Sorbet: 	Funny the blind poeple I know are not aware of it
[14:30]	Rob Linden: 	Economic: there's work underway to do some amount of separation there. we haven't published the code yet, but we're incrementally improving the modularity with each release
[14:30]	Economic Core: 	good
[14:30]	Economic Core: 	ty rob (ty rob)
[14:31]	Economic Core: 	Mass extinction in progress o_O
[14:31]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Pixel: is the IBM accessibility viewer for the blind derived from LL's GPL code?
[14:32]	Merov Linden: 	pixel is offline morgaine
[14:32]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Oh yeah, question overlapped with Pixel leaving
[14:32]	Mojito Sorbet: 	I would kind of like to know about that, as that is what *I* am working on too
[14:33]	Mm Alder: 	Mojito, try contacting Pixel on IRL
[14:33]	Rob Linden: 	anything else we should talk about on the Media Plugin merge, or should we move on?
[14:34]	Rob Linden: 	next topic: (automatic translation)
 	[#SNOW-93] Automatic language translation of chat messages 	[#SNOW-93] Automatic language translation of chat messages
[14:34]	Mealea Ying: 	oh my
[14:34]	Aimee Trescothick: 	http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/virtualworlds/
[14:34]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Pixel may return since didn't say bye, although I might have missed it
[14:35]	Kerry Giha: 	My experience with this technology can be a bit discouraging.
[14:35]	Kerry Giha: 	It would be ok if it would also show the speech in the other language too
[14:35]	Rob Linden: 	Kerry: with translation?
[14:35]	Kerry Giha: 	yes
[14:35]	Squirrel Wood: 	automatic translations are mostly only approximate
[14:35]	Rob Linden: 	Kerry: it does show both languages
[14:35]	Melinda Latynina: 	anything is better than nothing here
[14:35]	Kerry Giha: 	sometimes it mixes stuff up and the meaning implied is all wrong
[14:35]	Rob Linden: 	I've got the viewer with this enabled now
[14:36]	Geneko Nemeth: 	It's good when the language are close like English and French, but something like French to Chinese would be a disaster.
[14:36]	Merov Linden: 	Kerry: it's true but it helps when your English for instance is rusty
[14:36]	Rob Linden: 	it's not perfect, but it's still pretty neat
[14:36]	Mojito Sorbet: 	And typos really mess it up
[14:36]	Mealea Ying: 	Kerry, the problem can be releived some by using very short sentences.... Asian languages however seem to translate poorly no mater what
[14:36]	Kerry Giha: 	I found english to portugese pretty bad too
[14:36]	Merov Linden: 	Mojito: true
[14:36]	Mm Alder: 	Rob, how does it do with there-and-back translations. "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." is the classic.
[14:37]	Mealea Ying: 	typos dont help at all no
[14:37]	Thickbrick Sleaford: 	http://www.translationparty.com/ (http://www.translationparty.com/)
[14:37]	Squirrel Wood: 	the biggest problem is going to be typos...
[14:37]	Rob Linden: 	the extension is using Google's translation service
[14:37]	Mealea Ying: 	the meat is rotten but the vodka is good
[14:37]	Kerry Giha: 	yea specially when lolcat is used.
[14:37]	Rob Linden: 	so, it's going to be exactly as good as going to Google
[14:37]	Zai Lynch: 	Best to keep sentence structures simple. No weird grammer stunts. then the results are understandable/interpretable in many cases
[14:37]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	WOn't that cause delays in chat messages, as someone has commented on in the JIRA?
[14:37]	Melinda Latynina: 	why all the nit-picking? LL is saying that they'll be happy with an implementation that has big problems
[14:37]	Meggan Faith: 	Speaking of typos, it would be really cool if there were spelling check as you type, like it is common in IM programs.
[14:37]	Rob Linden: 	I've not noticed it
[14:37]	Mojito Sorbet: 	The cultural iddioms do not translate at all
[14:37]	Squirrel Wood: 	there are translation huds and the best result they give is more spam :p
[14:38]	Merov Linden: 	in my experience, longer self consistent sentences work best
[14:38]	Squirrel Wood: 	and gibberish.
[14:38]	Mealea Ying: 	me too Merov
[14:38]	Kerry Giha: 	That Aspell that Pidgin uses would be good as a spell checker in SL I think :)
[14:38]	Rob Linden: 	so, those of you that can type something other than English, type something....
[14:38]	Morgaine Dinova: 	You mean "sup bro" might not translate well to Chinese?
[14:38]	Morgaine Dinova: 	^_^
[14:38]	Aimee Trescothick: 	for spell check
 	[#VWR-5447] Add inline spell checker to text entry fields 	[#VWR-5447] Add inline spell checker to text entry fields
[14:38]	Squirrel Wood: 	but yes. If its built in that means less prims and scripts. ^^
[14:39]	Merov Linden: 	now, if all English native speaker could learn the difference between "its" and "it's", that'd help :)
[14:39]	Rob Linden: 	lol (lol)
[14:39]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	Heh. (Heh.)
[14:39]	Morgaine Dinova: 	haha (haha)
[14:39]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	Don't count on that. :)
[14:39]	Aimee Trescothick: 	looked into it before, best option for spell check I think is a library called "Enchant"
[14:39]	Geneko Nemeth: 	?,???????????????,???????????? (Well, of you can play something other than English, playing things that are not English bar.)
[14:39]	Rob Linden: 	there/their is another fun one
[14:39]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	oO (oO)
[14:39]	Kerry Giha: 	And people will always be wondering around
[14:39]	Squirrel Wood: 	though if you ask me then it should be optional so that those who dislike it can opt to not have it shown.
[14:39]	Mojito Sorbet: 	????? (Hello)
[14:39]	Geneko Nemeth: 	??,???? (What, buddy?)
[14:40]	Merov Linden is *not* using a patched viewer right now... 	Merov Linden is *not* using a patched viewer right now...
[14:40]	Rob Linden: 	Squirrel: it's totally optional
[14:40]	Aimee Trescothick: 	which acts as an abstraction layer, allowing you to use Aspell, Hunspell, or whatever is available on the platform or works best for a particular language
[14:40]	Teravus Ousley: 	see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil... :D
[14:40]	Squirrel Wood: 	optional on the receiving end ?
[14:40]	Thickbrick Sleaford: 	???? ???? (Hello world)
[14:40]	Sheet Spotter: 	The only French I know is... Voulez vous coucher avec moi ce soir. :-) (The only French I know is ... Would you sleep with me tonight. :-))
[14:40]	Kerry Giha: 	I think the language translation would be good if it showed both languages together like the attachments do
[14:41]	Mealea Ying: 	I want it, I make typos constantly, but a translator built in would still be great
[14:41]	Mojito Sorbet: 	There are plenty of translator HUDs. Putting it in the viewer would help with server load and HTTP activity.
[14:41]	Kerry Giha: 	so you can pick out the verbs and see that the translation is different than what they ment
[14:41]	Rob Linden: 	Sheet, it did that one perfectly :)
[14:41]	Geneko Nemeth: 	I think anything going to 3rd parties are going to be risky....
[14:41]	Meggan Faith: 	There are already more then enough risks and third parties involved.
[14:42]	Mojito Sorbet: 	Watashi no kuruma wa akai desu
[14:42]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Heh. (Heh.)
[14:42]	Merov Linden: 	j'allai le dire... (I went to say ...)
[14:42]	Morgaine Dinova: 	That's life, it's risky, nad most people die.
[14:42]	Squirrel Wood: 	Volltext Übersetzung funktioniert leider nicht immer sehr gut :) (Full-text translation unfortunately does not always work very well:))
[14:42]	Teravus Ousley: 	replace most, with all, and that sentence will be correct ?
[14:43]	Melinda Latynina: 	like everything here, if the protocol is well designed and the 3rd parties abstracted and pluggable, then the risks are mitigated and we don't build more spagetti code
[14:43]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	That's...the first time I've seen you type like that, Squirrel.
[14:43]	Squirrel Wood: 	^^
[14:43]	Rob Linden: 	regardless of the merits of the feature...there's still some tweaks we need to get it into Snowglobe
[14:43]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	Any way we can translate British crap? I'm full of it, unfortunately. :)
[14:43]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	I say things and most in the US have no clue what I've said. :P
[14:43]	Rob Linden: 	I'm planning on separating out JsonCpp into an install.py library
[14:44]	Mealea Ying: 	Sahkolihaa I cant even pronounce your name!
[14:44]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	My name is Finnish. :)
[14:44]	Mealea Ying: 	I know
[14:44]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	"Koli" fits better. :P
[14:44]	Mealea Ying: 	I love Finnish folk music
[14:44]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Py? Don't like the sound of that, another Python dependency?
[14:45]	Rob Linden: 	Morgaine: it's just the standard library bundling mechanism
[14:45]	Merov Linden: 	not another, been there for quite a while
[14:45]	Morgaine Dinova: 	kk (kk)
[14:46]	Rob Linden: 	there's some other minor cleanup that's needed as well (e.g. getting the unit tests working on Mac and LInux)
[14:46]	Rob Linden: 	the patch is reasonably Isolated
[14:46]	Rob Linden: 	we should be able to get this into shape for inclusion before too long, though
[14:47]	Rob Linden: 	not much more to talk about there, unless anyone has anything else to add
[14:48]	Mealea Ying: 	I do (I)
[14:48]	Rob Linden: 	Mealea: yes?
[14:48]	Mealea Ying: 	Flexi Sculpts please Oh Please Oh Please!
[14:49]	Mealea Ying grins (grins) 	Mealea Ying grins (grins)
[14:49]	Rob Linden: 	heh (heh)
[14:49]	Mealea Ying: 	well I had to try, they are splendid
[14:50]	Rob Linden: 	anything else we need to cover today?
[14:50]	Aimee Trescothick: 	can I persuade someone with a Mac to review for me? :)
 	[#SNOW-42] Harmless warnings building mac-updater 	[#SNOW-42] Harmless warnings building mac-updater
[14:50]	Mm Alder: 	I'm looking for help on if anyone is interested.
 	[#VWR-10924] Magical scripted HUD/UI 	[#VWR-10924] Magical scripted HUD/UI
[14:51]	Mojito Sorbet: 	: Does anyone run VS2005 to work on SnowGLobe on Windows Vista?
[14:51]	Rob Linden: 	Aimee: I meant to reply on that. yeah, that seems like a reasonable change. we dropped Mac 10.3.9 support quite some time ago
[14:51]	Aimee Trescothick nods 	Aimee Trescothick nods
[14:51]	Twisted Laws: 	i do Mojito
[14:51]	Mealea Ying: 	Sai has a Mac
[14:51]	Aimee Trescothick: 	just kinda bored of seeing those warnings lol
[14:51]	Mojito Sorbet: 	Ok, just so I know it is possible.
[14:51]	Teravus Ousley: 	I think he has a PowerPC mac
[14:52]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Mm: that's interesting, UXIG shortly, we could discuss it there
[14:52]	Mm Alder: 	OK Morgaine
[14:52]	Aimee Trescothick: 	and started looking at making it work with the 10.6 framework now, so would be nice to get that cleaned up :D
[14:53]	Mealea Ying: 	oooo! BloooKitty, I wanna go too
[14:53]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Hehe
[14:53]	Rob Linden: 	Aimee: does the presense of the legacy stuff break 10.6?
[14:53]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Everyone grab onto Mm
[14:54]	Squirrel Wood: 	didn't apple decide to not support powerpc based systems on their latest os upgrade ?
[14:54]	Aimee Trescothick: 	well, there's other stuff breaking 10.6 now anyway, I'm not sure if that breaks it too, I've been doing my 10.6 work post applying that patch
[14:54]	Rob Linden: 	ah
[14:55]	Teravus Ousley: 	Yes, Snow Lep dropped powerPC support
[14:56]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Aww!
[14:56]	Techwolf Lupindo: 	Sidenote, I just looked at , I think I will add that patch to the snowglobe-trunk gentoo overlay so gentoo users can check and test it out.
[14:57]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Well I'm running Techwolf's gentoo overlay build permanent, so will be testing it
[14:57]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Techwolf's build is a standalone
[14:58]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Using the inverse meaning of "standalone" that we have here, haha
[14:58]	Rob Linden: 	Mm: your stuff looks really interesting. I'm not sure just how the interactions well work with some of our latest code....there's some discussion about that at Linden Lab
[14:58]	Techwolf Lupindo: 	One sould read the ebuild comments I have in there. LL has some strange logic.
[14:59]	Mealea Ying: 	yah..... like limits on things...... /me shuts up again
[14:59]	Mm Alder: 	Rob, I was afraid 2.0 might break it.
[15:00]	Rob Linden: 	it's a pretty big patch, so it's inevitably going to run up against that type of problem
[15:00]	Mm Alder: 	It would be nice if the viewer were open source :-)
[15:01]	Rob Linden: 	thanks eveyrone for coming!
[15:01]	Rob Linden: 	well, we're at the end of the hour
[15:01]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Off to UXIG then!
[15:01]	Mojito Sorbet: 	To paraphrase Arthur C Clarke, any sufficiently obscure code is indistinguishable from closed-source
[15:01]	Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 	See you rob.
[15:01]	Aimee Trescothick: 	thanks Rob :)
[15:01]	Mojito Sorbet: 	bye
[15:01]	Sheet Spotter: 	Thank you for this hour!