User Experience Interest Group/Transcripts/2010-04-29

== Topic ==
User Experience Interest Group Discussion for April 29, 2010.
Topic: Wrapping up.
== Summary ==
We talked about the future of UXIG. Jacek is retiring from hosting, and no one is interested in taking over, so UXIG meetings are now discontinued.
== Transcript ==
[15:06]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Yeah, the logins are having a bit of problems, so people might not make it.
[15:06]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Hooray for technical difficulties. -_-
[15:07]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Also, I'm hungry...
[15:08]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Well don't eat me
[15:14]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Whoops, sorry Jacek, overshot on flaming T's meeting :-(
[15:14]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Total waste of time
[15:14]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Hi Gen
[15:15]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Hey!
[15:15]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Looks like most people thought there was nothing today.
[15:16]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Or they are stuck at login, but I don't think that's why there is few people.
[15:16]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Did Jacek say was going AFK for a bit?
[15:16]	Geneko Nemeth: 	I dunno, but I'll be afk, making dinner.
[15:16]	Morgaine Dinova: 	I'll go reheat my tea
[15:16]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Hey Morgaine
[15:18]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Hi Jacek!
[15:19]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Sad day, but I think you're making the right decision. And your long post on (Tateru's?) blog was I thought very rational, and forward looking.
[15:19]	Jacek Antonelli: 	On Tateru's blog? :o You mean Tentacolor.com?
[15:20]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Ahoy Garn
[15:20]	Garn Conover woofs 	Garn Conover woofs
[15:20]	Jacek Antonelli earskritches 	Jacek Antonelli earskritches
[15:20]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Maybe I read a copy. :-)
[15:20]	Garn Conover: 	hows you hun?
[15:20]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Hi Garn :-)
[15:20]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Hey Garn.
[15:21]	Jacek Antonelli: 	I've posted on the Imprudence blog about the Imprudence decision, and on my personal blog (Tentacolor) about my personal decision
[15:21]	Jacek Antonelli: 	And on SL-UX about my decision to retire from hosting UXIG
[15:22]	Morgaine Dinova: 	It must have been on Tentacolor, unless I read an echo of it elsewhere. But it was a great post.
[15:22]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Thanks
[15:24]	Garn Conover: 	so how is all?
[15:25]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Ow - steamed brocolli may be hot.
[15:25]	Garn Conover: 	lol
[15:26]	Jacek Antonelli: 	I'm doing well, Garn. You?
[15:26]	Garn Conover: 	im doing good working steadily trying to find enough hours in the days hehe
[15:26]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Yeah, I know what you mean
[15:26]	Garn Conover: 	wondering whats gonna happen with NCI lol
[15:27]	Morgaine Dinova: 	I got myself an InWorldz login on Tuesday ready for your Weds meeting, Jacek. Then I fell asleep on Wednesday, lol. Such is life :-(
[15:28]	Jacek Antonelli: 	D'oh
[15:28]	Garn Conover: 	hehehe
[15:28]	Aklo Modan: 	Jacek, i can't stay, but i just had one question, are we gonna at least keep getting postings about where the mtgs might be & stuff like that?
[15:28]	Garn Conover: 	ive never been offworld
[15:28]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Aklo: For UXIG? I don't know if there are going to be any more meetings after today
[15:28]	Aklo Modan: 	Oh. That's sort sad.
[15:28]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Garn: you should, it's the future. Also, 3rd Rock and InWorlds are nice places, friendly people.
[15:28]	Aklo Modan: 	You'll let us know on the mailing list?
[15:29]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Sure
[15:29]	Aklo Modan: 	THX!!!
[15:29]	Aklo Modan: 	Have fun!!
[15:29]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Take care
[15:29]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Cyu Aklo
[15:29]	Garn Conover: 	i should but i got enough stuff happening here i dont need to worry about other worlds lol
[15:30]	Jacek Antonelli: 	So -- what's up with UXIG?
[15:30]	Jacek Antonelli: 	I'm leaving. What are you guys gonna do?
[15:31]	Garn Conover: 	i dunno i usually just came to see you and McCabe hehe
[15:31]	Morgaine Dinova: 	One way of looking at UXIG is that over the last 1+ year, it's covered a lot of ground, and while it's not exhausted the topics, it certainly has some decent coverage. It deserves a respite, perhaps focssing on ADDING from that features list to a viewer like Imprudence.
[15:31]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Maybe in another year or two, it'll be time to bring it back.
[15:31]	Garn Conover: 	let 2.0 get settled? hehe
[15:31]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Yep, could be
[15:32]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Right now, if I spent my every waking moment just trying to implement all the ideas we've had, it would take me several years
[15:32]	Jacek Antonelli: 	So adding more to the list without doing anything with them is a bit futile
[15:32]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Well 2.0 is such a User Experience disaster, that continuing UXIG while 2.0 UI is the standard would make a mockery of the whole thing.
[15:32]	Garn Conover: 	lol
[15:32]	Boroondas Gupte: 	:-P
[15:33]	Garn Conover: 	I'm on Kirstens
[15:33]	Garn Conover: 	wow for chatlag lol 323
[15:33]	Garn Conover: 	sure works that time lol
[15:34]	Morgaine Dinova: 	I tend to think of Imprudence as the "User Experience Viewer" anyway. While I may disagree on some things, you guys do at least try hard to make it provide a good user experience.
[15:34]	Garn Conover accepted your inventory offer. 	Garn Conover accepted your inventory offer.
[15:34]	Garn Conover accepted your inventory offer. 	Garn Conover accepted your inventory offer.
[15:35]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Alright. Sounds like UXIG is discontinuing, at least for a while. Is that it?
[15:36]	Boroondas Gupte: 	Sounds like it.
[15:36]	Boroondas Gupte: 	For specific questions, there's still SL-UX
[15:36]	Jacek Antonelli: 	True
[15:36]	Boroondas Gupte: 	I wish that list was used a bit more.
[15:37]	Morgaine Dinova: 	I don't volunteer to continue it, so unless someone else does, I think that's it. My focus would always tend towards power viewers for techies, which is not really the same thing as usability for everyone.
[15:37]	Garn Conover wonders : do u think LL will ever allow direct email to inworld accounts? lol	Garn Conover wonders : do u think LL will ever allow direct email to inworld accounts? lol
[15:37]	Boroondas Gupte: 	Maybe also for cooperation between different TPVs / between TPVs and Snowglobe.
[15:38]	Boroondas Gupte: 	sl-us, I mean
[15:38]	Boroondas Gupte: 	*ux
[15:39]	Morgaine Dinova: 	SL-UX is someone distasteful because of the "SL" part ... given the lack of interest in User eXperience in LL.
[15:39]	Boroondas Gupte: 	yeah :-\
[15:40]	Garn Conover: 	ok im gonna scoot off *nuzzles Jacek* I'll hunt u down sometime Mrewp Mrewp! ^_^
[15:40]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Maybe SL-UX will see a bit more use, now that UXIG won't be an outlet for people's ideas and venting
[15:40]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Bye Garn! *nuzzles back*
[15:40]	Garn Conover is waiting for the next Imp client Mrewp Mrewp! ^_^ 	Garn Conover is waiting for the next Imp client Mrewp Mrewp! ^_^
[15:40]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Should be coming soon :)
[15:41]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Mkay. So, since it's decided, anything else to talk about today?
[15:41]	Morgaine Dinova: 	But I'd like some more discussions or even plain social chatting with the Imprudence group in Opensim worlds to occur. The population there is rather small currently, and I sense that unless we try to preserve some community, there's a danger of it disappearing.
[15:42]	Geneko Nemeth: 	That might not be a bad thing, there's too much space with too little people. Everyone want their own sim.
[15:42]	Geneko Nemeth: 	But it takes a bit more than that to make a community.
[15:42]	Jacek Antonelli: 	I'm thinking of shifting our in-world meetups to be mostly social, and use the mailing list to get things done.
[15:43]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Remember when LindenWorld first came out it only had 12 sims?
[15:43]	Boroondas Gupte: 	no
[15:43]	Geneko Nemeth: 	That's fine, me neither!
[15:43]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Sure, me too Gen, I'll end up with large worlds too and I actually like isolation. But not all the time. I like to get together with others periodically too.
[15:44]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Would it help to hold some kind of building contest every week?
[15:44]	Jacek Antonelli: 	That would be a fun event
[15:44]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Definitely!
[15:45]	Boroondas Gupte: 	Hmm ... I could practice some building ... doin' that too seldom.
[15:45]	Geneko Nemeth almost never builds 	Geneko Nemeth almost never builds
[15:45]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Before a few weeks ago, I very rarely did building for fun anymore
[15:46]	Jacek Antonelli: 	But now I've got my own OpenSim megaregion that I'm planning with my partner :)
[15:46]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Jacek: there's something else that could be explored too, which is hard in SL: using the virtual world for development. There are no tools for it in SL, and Lindens won't provide them. But in Opensim, we are our own masters, and any group-oriented in-world facility targeted at aiding development could be added. We just need to get our thinking caps on, and then code it.
[15:47]	Morgaine Dinova: 	No silly LSL, we can code MRMs in C# or in native code with full power.
[15:47]	Boroondas Gupte: 	scm-plugins for inventory!
[15:47]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Yep :-)
[15:47]	Jacek Antonelli: 	hehe, yep
[15:47]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Aah! The rice cooker finally pops!
[15:47]	Jacek Antonelli: 	I think that's our cue to adjourn
[15:47]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Native code? You want to write assembly for PowerPC or ARM8?
[15:47]	Boroondas Gupte: 	(inventory loss? just checkout a fresh working copy)
[15:47]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Ding!
[15:47]	Morgaine Dinova: 	:-)
[15:48]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Hehe Bor
[15:48]	Geneko Nemeth: 	Imma let you finish but Javascript is the greatst scripting language for all times!
[15:48]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Well inventory should be client-side anyway.
[15:48]	Jacek Antonelli: 	It's a bit sad to see UXIG go, but it has had a good run. Many great discussions and ideas. :)
[15:48]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Adjourn UXIG. :-)
[15:48]	Boroondas Gupte: 	client side? no, I'd like to take it with me, from wherever I log in.
[15:49]	Boroondas Gupte: 	but agent-domain side or something
[15:49]	Jacek Antonelli: 	So, take care everyone, and thanks for coming (today and in the past)!
[15:49]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Bor: sure, anywhere you want it. But NOT in a specific VW. It should be in your chosen asset service, so that you have it everywhere.
[15:50]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Take care Jacek, and keep the communication going :-)
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli: 	I will
[15:50]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Do you hang out anywhere in Opensim worlds typically?
[15:51]	Boroondas Gupte: 	I wrote this (before I know about AWG/VWRAP): http://boroon.dasgupta.ch/persistent_inventory/persistent_inventory.pdf
[15:51]	Boroondas Gupte: 	*knew
[15:51]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Cheers Bor
[15:51]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Right now I have a sim on OSGrid, named Tentacolonia. Still working on it, though. I'll be blogging about it on Tentacolor.com
[15:51]	Jacek Antonelli: 	(Sense a theme in the names?)
[15:51]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Jacek: great!
[15:51]	Boroondas Gupte: 	cool
[15:52]	Jacek Antonelli: 	Okay, take care everyone!
[15:52]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Jacek: Well the name will raise a few eyebrows .... but I guess that's nicely imprudent :P
[15:52]	Boroondas Gupte: 	gotta prettify my OSGrid avatar ... looks very Ruth-like still
[15:52]	Morgaine Dinova: 	Thanks Jacek, you too :-)