Bug triage/2008-12-08/Transcript

* [12:04] Squirrel Wood: Hello Kona!
* [12:04] Alexa Linden: Hey Kona :)
* [12:04] Kona Linden: hi guys!
* [12:04] Squirrel Wood: Hello Bridie, Prospero and everyone else :p
* [12:04] Kona Linden: hope you all had a great weekened
* [12:04] Bridie Linden: howdy!
* [12:04] Gordon Wendt: still searching the jira btw for a good starting point issue
* [12:04] Ellla McMahon: hello everyone :))
* [12:04] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda
* [12:05] Gordon Wendt: I think is a good place, it's a havok4 meta issue
* [12:05] Bridie Linden: Still updating Gordon?
* [12:05] Gordon Wendt: I'm all set
* [12:05] Alexa Linden: ok so Kona, everyone was discussing physics problems before I came in
* [12:06] Gordon Wendt: and for some reason there is a giant hammer laying in the meeting area :)
* [12:06] Kona Linden: ahhh
* [12:06] Squirrel Wood: physics... => Vector Linden ?
* [12:06] Kona Linden: oy
* [12:06] Khyota Wulluf: were gettin physical!
* [12:06] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:06] Phillip Vought: you missed the toy car floating at about 30m up too ;)
* [12:07] Prospero Linden: back
* [12:07] Alexa Linden: Gordon, you found a pjira correct?
* [12:07] Kona Linden: kk, lets discuss SVC-2429, then proceed to the hot topics
* [12:07] Gordon Wendt: it's a meta issue but it's a starting point as you asked for
* [12:07] Alexa Linden: thank you :)
* [12:07] Phillip Vought: isnt this listed for fix in 1.25
* [12:07] Alexa Linden: does that issue include some of the examples you've been showing?
* [12:08] Claw Hammer: v0.13: You can't touch this Khyota!
* [12:08] Gellan Glenelg: is "fix pending" for 1.25
* [12:08] Phillip Vought: the avatar/prim collision code has been changed in 1.25
* [12:08] Phillip Vought: mark as fix pending?
* [12:08] Kona Linden: k, then if that's the case, let's move on...
* [12:09] Kona Linden: SVC-1459[c
* [12:09] Kona Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1459
* [12:09] Khyota Wulluf: wow
* [12:09] Alexa Linden: ouch
* [12:09] Alexa Linden: that can be... risky?
* [12:10] Soft Linden: Yeah, this should be fixed.
* [12:10] Squirrel Wood: happens when you have no home point set or it has gone byebye too
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: always wear clean underwear......
* [12:10] Kona Linden: lol
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: or underwear period!
* [12:10] Squirrel Wood: Mayhaps move to an adjacent sim instead ?
* [12:10] Soft Linden: If people were destined for an M region, they should end up in another M region.
* [12:11] Squirrel Wood: I mean it tells you that you are teleported to a nearby sim
* [12:11] Alexa Linden: ya
* [12:11] Phillip Vought: are all hubs PG?
* [12:11] Soft Linden: NOpe
* [12:11] Gordon Wendt: This should be for all region is unavailable not jsut region crashes
* [12:11] Gordon Wendt: and your region is going down
* [12:11] Gordon Wendt: wow, chat lag
* [12:11] Alexa Linden: I'll import this one
* [12:11] Kona Linden: thx Alexa
* [12:12] Squirrel Wood: Should move you to an adjacent sim. if there is none, nearest telehub that fits the sim rating ?
* [12:12] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [12:12] Kona Linden: sounds correct per Soft
* [12:12] Kona Linden: k next...
* [12:12] Kona Linden: # VWR-8775[c
* [12:13] Alexa Linden: I've seen the bounce before
* [12:13] Kona Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8775
* [12:13] Squirrel Wood: accuracy lacks at great heigts basically
* [12:13] Soft Linden: I haven't seen this much since Windlight. Is it stil bad some places?
* [12:13] Gordon Wendt: pretty much but it isn't a sculped or a physics issue, this happens with base shapes, it's total deformation
* [12:13] Alexa Linden: I only see it at extreme heights
* [12:14] Alexa Linden: or very randomly
* [12:14] Gellan Glenelg: building with tiny prims at the height is a BAD idea
* [12:14] Soft Linden: In the comments they're more talking about the old jiggle.
* [12:14] Kona Linden: That said however, we don't guarantee levels of performance at high altitudes
* [12:14] Soft Linden: The comments are all post-windlight, and one person walks through a repro
* [12:14] Soft Linden: We should make it decent up to the 4km build ceiling though, if at all possible.
* [12:15] Phillip Vought: but a one digit lossin accuracy shouldnt cause camer instabilities
* [12:15] Soft Linden: I'd suggest this come in for the maint-render crew, with the comment about the repro in the public comments.
* [12:15] Phillip Vought: sounds like a rounding inconsistency somewhere
* [12:15] Alexa Linden: will do Soft
* [12:16] Kona Linden: Soft, we only guaranteed up to I think 500 meters historically...after that, we didn't guarantee anything (though that was a while ago)
* [12:16] Soft Linden: Yeah, I remember it used to be -really- bad up in the 700s.
* [12:16] Squirrel Wood: float precision problem ?
* [12:17] Soft Linden: It's definitely not so bad at those levels as it used to be.
* [12:17] Kona Linden: I agree
* [12:17] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [12:18] Morgaine Dinova: If it gets too bad, place a black hole in orbit and blame it on that ;-)
* [12:18] Phillip Vought: Alexa.. may I add SVC-2790 to the end of the list seeing as we were covering physics today?
* [12:18] Gordon Wendt: Morgaine, all their black holes are in use over on the inventory system
* [12:18] Morgaine Dinova: chuckles
* [12:19] Phillip Vought: Sorry gordon, one escaped in to my wallet..
* [12:19] Alexa Linden: sure - ping us at the end to make sure we get it in
* [12:19] Kona Linden: k, next...
* [12:19] Gordon Wendt: Phillip, so you've been buyign OS sims :)
* [12:19] Gordon Wendt: *buying
* [12:19] Gordon Wendt: lol
* [12:19] Kona Linden: # VWR-5985[c
* [12:20] Kona Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5985
* [12:20] Gordon Wendt: I don't even remember this one but I'm guessing needs to upgrade sound drivers
* [12:20] Gellan Glenelg: not much additional info since soft asked on 06/Oct
* [12:20] Phillip Vought: never reproed for me.. and I have X-Fi
* [12:21] Alexa Linden: still a Problem after updating sound card and trying with the latest rc?
* [12:21] Gellan Glenelg: Is it worth asking again, saying "we need THIS info...
* [12:21] Soft Linden: I'm betting these are going to all be people with single-core CPUs.
* [12:21] Morgaine Dinova: 1.22 seems to be switching to OpenAL according to the sources, so it'll be an all-change on audio anyway.
* [12:21] Soft Linden: No. Only Linux gets openal.
* [12:21] Aimee Trescothick: only for linux
* [12:22] Morgaine Dinova: Aha, tnx
* [12:22] Soft Linden: Others, maybe later.
* [12:22] Soft Linden: All the people who do list their CPU are single core so far as I can tell.
* [12:22] Prospero Linden: (oops, sorry, my mic was open
* [12:22] Bridie Linden: :)
* [12:22] Kona Linden: has anyone here witnessed this issue?
* [12:22] Alexa Linden: nope
* [12:23] Prospero Linden: I don't believe OpenAL makes it into client 1.22
* [12:23] Prospero Linden: I think OpenAL won't be until client 1.23
* [12:23] Phillip Vought: nope
* [12:23] Soft Linden: Kona, do we have any ancient Pentium 4s and the like in testing?
* [12:23] Prospero Linden: is using an OpenAL build right now
* [12:23] Kona Linden: ahhh...kk
* [12:23] Kona Linden: Soft, we may have a machine, but most of them have since been retired or "died"
* [12:23] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:23] Kona Linden: yeah, sad...
* [12:24] Soft Linden: Hmm. My thought would be that this could come in for testing on an ancient single-core system. If it doesn't repro there...
* [12:24] Kona Linden: but there are a couple of 4 year old machines
* [12:24] Alexa Linden: I can import
* [12:24] Kona Linden: kk
* [12:24] Alexa Linden: where should I send it?
* [12:25] Soft Linden: Alexa - please add a note about this being best tested on an old single-core machine. Strooooongly suspect that's the only place we'll see this. fmod just isn't getting enough CPU time to fill buffers, I bet.
* [12:25] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:25] Soft Linden: It might be something we could fix by bumping the sound thread's priority.
* [12:26] Kona Linden: well that's good to know
* [12:26] Alexa Linden: will do
* [12:26] Soft Linden: Similar to what we had to do with vivox and single-core G4s.
* [12:26] Kona Linden: Glad Soft's here to explain such things =)
* [12:26] Kona Linden: ahhh
* [12:26] Alexa Linden: yes :)
* [12:27] Gordon Wendt: Soft, people get a bit touchy about priority though when they're trying to do many things at once
* [12:27] Kona Linden: k, let's move on to PATCHES
* [12:27] Kona Linden: # VWR-6093[c
* [12:27] Soft Linden: Hrm. At some point we can't do anything short of buying them a new machine though. They'll need to turn off sound. I don't think we should offer the option of crackly sound.
* [12:28] Kona Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6093
* [12:28] Soft Linden: Anyone else here running Vista? Does ctrl-alt-R work for you, if you have your advanced menu enabled?
* [12:28] Phillip Vought: XP and can't repro
* [12:28] Soft Linden: It would be really funky if Vista is eating that key combination, and only when windowed.
* [12:28] Phillip Vought: I suggest some other application is intercepting the key combo on his PC
* [12:29] Soft Linden: Yeah, that's my thought.
* [12:29] Soft Linden: I asked that in a comment - no reply so far.
* [12:29] Alexa Linden: Needs more info?
* [12:29] Soft Linden: Yeah, guess so
* [12:29] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:29] Prospero Linden: More info, or can't repro?
* [12:29] Kona Linden: can't repro & more info, right?
* [12:29] Alexa Linden: ya, I'll do that
* [12:29] Soft Linden: Good point. Can't repro I think. If rebake were really broken with Vista, we'd be hearing a LOT of it.
* [12:30] Phillip Vought: Time for an enhancement request.. config file keycombos
* [12:30] Gordon Wendt: oops, must have slipped through my bugs only radar
* [12:30] Prospero Linden: yeah... I know on Linux, I can turn *OFF* the UI, but I can't turn it back on, because the key combo is CTRL+ALT+one of the numbers, and that gets eaten by the X server to switch to a virtual console.
* [12:30] Soft Linden: Philip - there's some real work that needs to be done there. Some OSes have built-in keyboard mapping allocation systems. Windows may even. It would be nice to be using existing mechanisms.
* [12:30] Morgaine Dinova: Is that on the todo-list somewhere? It's come up in third party viewers ... wondering whether to work on it or not.
* [12:30] Aimee Trescothick: mm, we need a proper editable control map in the prefs
* [12:30] Prospero Linden: (I turn it off from the UI, no option to trun it back on.)
* [12:31] Soft Linden: Prospero - there's a fix for that in maint-viewer, from Khyota here
* [12:31] Prospero Linden: Ah, cool!
* [12:31] Khyota Wulluf: yes!
* [12:31] Prospero Linden: Thanks!
* [12:31] Alexa Linden: :)
* [12:31] Kona Linden: kk, next patch shall we...
* [12:31] Kona Linden: # VWR-10890[c
* [12:31] Aimee Trescothick: trying to find key combos that will work for evetyone everywhere is a losing battle
* [12:31] Gordon Wendt: I know the merges of Maint-viewer into the main tree aren't scheduled but it seems like an awful lot of fixes are in that and it hasn't been merged in awhile
* [12:31] Phillip Vought: I dont like the patch much tho
* [12:31] Morgaine Dinova: Aimee++
* [12:31] Soft Linden: So this lets you manually type in a resolution if you don't like the values in the drop-down list.
* [12:32] Kona Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10890
* [12:32] Soft Linden: Gordon - a huge batch of maint-viewer -just- merged into trunk last week.
* [12:32] Khyota Wulluf: 11 already merged
* [12:32] Aimee Trescothick: I don't think that patch will work on its own
* [12:32] Gordon Wendt: oh, nm then, didn't notice that then I guess Soft
* [12:32] Soft Linden: But yeah - maint-viewer-11 was like 3 months old :(
* [12:33] Aimee Trescothick: I will let you type in there, but I don't think the existing code will do anything useful with it, without a bit more
* [12:33] Soft Linden: VWR-10890 could probably go to Rx triage. We're supposed to be really careful about touching preferences. But this sounds nice alright.
* [12:33] Aimee Trescothick: I will = it will
* [12:33] Gordon Wendt: You'd think that Khyota was the only one using space navigator considering the number of bugs he's submitted :)
* [12:33] Prospero Linden: Aimee, hopefully you will let us too....
* [12:33] Soft Linden: It doesn't add a new preferences element. So maybe we'd sneak past the Great Preferences Clampdown.
* [12:33] Aimee Trescothick: LOL
* [12:33] Khyota Wulluf: uh, /me laughs
* [12:33] Alexa Linden: ok - I'll import and send to Rx
* [12:33] Kona Linden: kk
* [12:33] Aimee Trescothick: you have my permission *waves graciously*
* [12:34] Khyota Wulluf: nice!
* [12:34] Kona Linden: # VWR-10717[c
* [12:34] Kona Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10717
* [12:34] Aimee Trescothick: might dig into that one a bit myself if I get time, it's probably pretty similar to the aspect ratio one I did a while back
* [12:34] Khyota Wulluf: this one already got imported right before the meeting
* [12:34] Kona Linden: ahhh....kk
* [12:35] Alexa Linden: well that was fast ;)
* [12:35] Khyota Wulluf: but yes, thank you aimee!
* [12:35] Soft Linden: Looks like Tofu imported it, and he'd be the most likely to take this in anyway.
* [12:35] Soft Linden: It's in the right hands.
* [12:35] Khyota Wulluf: paws*
* [12:35] Kona Linden: # VWR-10760[c
* [12:35] Gordon Wendt: Even if those hands smell suspiciously of soybean curd
* [12:35] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:35] Kona Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10760
* [12:35] Soft Linden: This one, we can' really take the patch as it is.
* [12:36] Gordon Wendt: proper way to create a patch would be nice to have on the wiki, I don't know how but I'll try to learn and document it
* [12:36] Phillip Vought: send him a link to diff/patch?
* [12:36] Soft Linden: He's got an older Pentium M that does speed stepping. So sometimes it samples the CPU speed when it's in throttled mode. The patch works by retrying 10 times. There are other ways of checking CPU speeds that understand speedstep.
* [12:36] Kona Linden: he's running an Intel 915g graphics card
* [12:36] Gordon Wendt: if it isn't already up on the wiki somewhere, it may be
* [12:36] Soft Linden: That retry-10-times approach will still fail sometimes.
* [12:37] Kona Linden: we dont' support that card
* [12:37] Alexa Linden: can someone comment and I can mark last triaged>?
* [12:37] Gordon Wendt: Kona, if there's a better way to measure it though whether you support the card or not you should use the better way
* [12:37] Gordon Wendt: since soft said there are ways that understand speedstepping
* [12:37] Prospero Linden: Anyway, CPU speed and the graphics card are different things
* [12:37] Phillip Vought: not exactly a high priority tho
* [12:38] Phillip Vought: and the attached patch is flawed
* [12:38] Morgaine Dinova: Does the detected speed matter, operationally, or is this just cosmetic?
* [12:38] Squirrel Wood: laptops usually use different cpu speeds
* [12:38] Kona Linden: yep, but they are different things, but running some of the intel cards have resulted in even black screens and there's not much we can do about it
* [12:38] Soft Linden: I'll add a comment to this one and clear the patch-attached flag.
* [12:38] Gellan Glenelg: has info on creating patch
* [12:38] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:38] Squirrel Wood: so the client may pick up the "idle" timing before the cpu gets "woken up" because of the additional workload
* [12:38] Alexa Linden: thanks soft
* [12:39] Phillip Vought: or the laptop is on battery and is really running at that speed
* [12:40] Kona Linden: So onto the Misc Pool...
* [12:40] Claw Hammer: v0.13: You can't touch this Phli!
* [12:40] Kona Linden: # WEB-376[c
* [12:40] Claw Hammer: v0.13: You can't touch this Gordon!
* [12:40] Gordon Wendt: lol
* [12:40] Kona Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-376
* [12:40] Aimee Trescothick: uh oh
* [12:40] Claw Hammer: v0.13: You can't touch this Prospero!
* [12:40] Alexa Linden: puts on her parachute pants
* [12:41] Phillip Vought: Aimee you have a terrible sense of humour
* [12:41] Phillip Vought: ;)
* [12:41] Soft Linden: Yeah, even our example link there is broken.
* [12:41] Aimee Trescothick: I have one? damn :D
* [12:41] Soft Linden: Looks valid web-triageable!
* [12:41] Gordon Wendt: Thanks for that link btw Gellan, I added it to my useful pages list on my userpage
* [12:41] Kona Linden: yep
* [12:42] Kona Linden: Alexa, triage yets?
* [12:42] Kona Linden: yes*
* [12:42] Alexa Linden: ok :)
* [12:42] Kona Linden: ty...next one...
* [12:42] Kona Linden: # VWR-10572[c
* [12:42] Gordon Wendt: this is one that keeps coming up in various issues at least a month on these triages, the random crashes
* [12:43] Kona Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10572
* [12:43] Khyota Wulluf: laughs i like the statistics
* [12:43] Alexa Linden: nothing since nov.
* [12:43] Ellla McMahon: are you seeing any special issues with the latest ATI Catalyst 8.11 ?
* [12:43] Alexa Linden: try latest rc?
* [12:43] Gordon Wendt: I usually cull them from the list when I'm importing the isues but otherwise you Lindens (points at Kona) forget about them
* [12:44] Phillip Vought: ohh god no.. the latest RC crashes hourly
* [12:44] Alexa Linden: really? I've had better performance than 1.22.1 or the main viewer
* [12:44] Soft Linden: I'd vote contact support on this one. The logs attached all crash in different places. There's nothing actionable for a dev on this one.
* [12:44] Gordon Wendt: Would be nice if they could have gotten a cpu reading before or while it was crashing to see if that's still the issue
* [12:45] Gellan Glenelg: so that's a 1100% improvement on the "crash every 5 mins"? ;P woww! nice productivity!
* [12:46] Phillip Vought: things Gellan is a bit jaded
* [12:46] Gellan Glenelg: hehe
* [12:46] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:46] Gordon Wendt: it is nice, but I can see why people keep getting frustrated about this still being an issue
* [12:46] Phillip Vought: *thinks* even
* [12:46] Alexa Linden: so what, if any action do we want to take on this?
* [12:46] Soft Linden: Kona noticed this is XP 64. We waaaaaaay don't support that. XP 64's 32-bit compatibility has some very fundamental problems.
* [12:47] Soft Linden: I'd resolve as contact support, but also note that we don't officially support XP 64 and never will.
* [12:47] Kona Linden: beat me to it...lol
* [12:47] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:47] Kona Linden: Thanks for the confirm, Soft
* [12:47] Prospero Linden: At some level, even when the bugs are gone (the "glorious future"), this may still happen, as SL works out graphics cards harder than just about anything else....
* [12:47] Soft Linden: Vista 64 is so much better at 32-bit compatibility - just not funny.
* [12:47] Gordon Wendt: Soft, funny of course since LL refuses to make a 64 bit viewer because A) not enough people use 64 bit systems and B) there are two many issues still with 64 bit hardware and systems compatibility
* [12:47] Kona Linden: next one...
* [12:47] Gellan Glenelg: If those types of crash are common, won't they be picked up from the crash reporter, anyway?
* [12:48] Kona Linden: # WEB-899[c
* [12:48] Soft Linden: I'd bet there are more people here right now than have tried logging in with XP 64 in the last 24 hours.
* [12:48] Kona Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-899
* [12:48] Gordon Wendt: Kona, web team for a simple fix?
* [12:48] Squirrel Wood: I have 64 bits too.
* [12:48] Khyota Wulluf: does microsoft spend more time making things 32bit compatible?
* [12:48] Squirrel Wood: dual boot :p
* [12:48] Kona Linden: Yep
* [12:48] Alexa Linden: ok - I'll import
* [12:49] Kona Linden: Thanks, Alexa
* [12:49] Soft Linden: MS put in a lot of work on 32-bit compatibility for Vista. Some path issues aside, it's nearly flawless in my experience.
* [12:49] Kona Linden: # VWR-10810[c
* [12:49] Kona Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10810
* [12:50] Gellan Glenelg: not watched the vid... but is this the ATI/VBO bug?
* [12:50] Alexa Linden: he says none of the suggestions worked
* [12:50] Prospero Linden: commenter claims turning off VBO didn't help
* [12:50] Ellla McMahon: I apologise for making this reporter's issue worse :(
* [12:50] Gellan Glenelg: doh - hadn't read alexa's comment either :)
* [12:50] Gordon Wendt: Gellan, reported said he turned off vbo though
* [12:50] Alexa Linden: you didn't Ellla
* [12:50] Gordon Wendt: ella, it's ok at least you tried
* [12:51] Kona Linden: exactly, Ella
* [12:51] Alexa Linden: you offered the common suggestions
* [12:51] Kona Linden: hey, pentium III?
* [12:51] Kona Linden: am I reading that right?
* [12:51] Ellla McMahon: :) )
* [12:51] Kona Linden: Pentium III Xeon
* [12:51] Khyota Wulluf: big diff
* [12:51] Harleen Gretzky: The video shows like black objects flying through the air
* [12:51] Gordon Wendt: I'm surprised they can still run Vista on that
* [12:51] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:51] Gordon Wendt: if you are reading that right
* [12:51] Soft Linden: Hmm.
* [12:51] Khyota Wulluf: (and choose to)
* [12:52] Kona Linden: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (2999 MHz)
* [12:52] Kona Linden: lol
* [12:52] Aimee Trescothick: Pentium One Hundred and Eleven, they've time travelled from the future
* [12:52] Kona Linden: now you can choose to with me =)
* [12:52] Prospero Linden: hasn't tried in a month or so, but he has succesfully run SL on a PIII with a RAdeon Mobility M6 (16MB of graphics memory). Very slowly.
* [12:52] Kona Linden: ouch
* [12:52] Phli Foxchase: ^^
* [12:53] Soft Linden: I'm seeing a number of other issues mentioning the 3850.
* [12:53] Kona Linden: I'm not familiar with Xeons, so not sure if that's a huge factor or not
* [12:53] Soft Linden: 
* [12:53] Squirrel Wood: I could run SL on my work machine with everything turned off. If I could connect.
* [12:53] Ellla McMahon: yes and its the ATI 8.11 again
* [12:53] Khyota Wulluf: i was gona try on a p3 with 4MB vram but i couldnt get direct rendering with 24bit color
* [12:53] Kona Linden: Actually, we've run into a measure of bugs while testing the 3850 as well, Soft
* [12:53] Soft Linden: It would be helpful if someone could collect some of these and see if there are any common trends. It would be unfortunate to import this as a one-off and just have it closed for no repro internally.
* [12:53] Soft Linden: Oh yeah?
* [12:53] Kona Linden: Per Palmer
* [12:54] Soft Linden: Is there an internal issue this could be linked to, rather than importing?
* [12:54] Ellla McMahon: is the 3850 made by ATI or one of its partner companies ?
* [12:54] Kona Linden: let me look...hold up
* [12:54] Kona Linden: from Ati, Ella
* [12:54] Kona Linden: brb
* [12:54] Ellla McMahon: aah OK :)
* [12:56] Claw Hammer: v0.13: You can't touch this Phli!
* [12:56] Alexa Linden: fights the urge to touch that
* [12:56] Gordon Wendt: can we move on while we wait?
* [12:56] Gordon Wendt: since we're almost out of time
* [12:57] Alexa Linden: go for yours gordon
* [12:57] Gordon Wendt: I don't have any at the moment but the next one on the list is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10698
* [12:57] Kona Linden: gah...can't find anything recent, soft
* [12:57] Phillip Vought: raises hand for SVC2790 ;)
* [12:57] Soft Linden: Kona, not finding anything 3850-specific internally either.
* [12:57] Soft Linden: Hrm.
* [12:58] Phillip Vought: this was addressed 2 weeks ago
* [12:58] Soft Linden: VWR-10698 should really wait for more votes, unless someone can find another issue with many people mentioning long hangs at that stage.
* [12:58] Kona Linden: k, lemme check in with Zen and see if he's got anything cooking and I'll note on this accordingly
* [12:58] Gordon Wendt: Soft, ok I'll keep checking in on it as it appears on the lists
* [12:59] Alexa Linden: thanks soft
* [12:59] Soft Linden: Cool, thanks!
* [12:59] Gordon Wendt: Phillip, https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2790 was what you were talking about?
* [12:59] Phillip Vought: yup
* [12:59] Phillip Vought: thanks
* [12:59] Gordon Wendt: I think this has been an issue since H4
* [13:00] Harleen Gretzky: 2790 is a dupe of an old bug, don't know the original JIRA off the top of my head
* [13:00] Gordon Wendt: both those prims are physical
* [13:00] Phillip Vought: it may be old.. but its annoying as heck
* [13:00] Prospero Linden: ....just like me...
* [13:00] Phillip Vought: affects my products ;)
* [13:00] Gordon Wendt: it's one of those things that's a showstopper for creating physics builds
* [13:00] Squirrel Wood: the 0.1 "float" is due to the physics model being slightly larger than the prim ?
* [13:01] Alexa Linden: I'm off to another meeting
* [13:01] Bridie Linden: is too...
* [13:01] Alexa Linden: thanks all and see you Weds.
* [13:01] Bridie Linden: thx all!
* [13:01] Squirrel Wood: do not meet too hard!
* [13:01] Soft Linden: Other than perfect spheres, objects resolve with a little bit of extra distance between them. That's intentional.
* [13:01] Alexa Linden: lol Squirrel :)
* [13:01] Squirrel Wood: ^^
* [13:01] Kona Linden: Thanks all