Banana argument

The banana argument is a specific teleological argument for theism based on the form and function of natural objects — specifically in this case the banana. According to Ray Comfort, the banana is "the atheist's nightmare", as he considers its ease of use, nutritional value, and "colour-coding" to be irrefutable proof of intelligent design. In its usual presentation, it is humorously foolish, so much so that Comfort has since taken to using it as a joke himself (and claiming that it always had been a joke or "stand up routine"), in contrast with the quite serious tactic he originally intended it as.
==The basics==
The video exhibiting the banana's design characteristics was made by Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron some time in the 2000s for their Way of the Master series — it's effectively been disowned by them since, so is hard to trace the actual original. The full version opens with an appraisal of the design aspects of a soda can; these include pointing out the outer casing to contain the liquid, the size which is designed to fit the hand, and the ring-pull that gives you easy access. This is a small subtlety, and not essential to understanding the full, yellow thrust of the banana, however; it's merely a comparison to try to prime the audience and make them more receptive to enjoying the "design" aspects when experiencing a banana. The point is that the soda can was designed with these features in mind; therefore, so was the banana.
The argument for the banana being designed is based on the following characteristics:
*The banana is shaped to fit into the human hand.
*It comes with a protective, non-slip surface to hold, which is also biodegradable and sits "gracefully" over the human hand.
*It is curved towards the face for ease of consumption and does not squirt in one's face during the act.
*There is a "pull tab" at the "top" for easy access.
*It has a simple "colour code" to show ripeness: Green, too early. Yellow, just right. Black, too late.
Ironically, these features do point to an intelligent designer, but it certainly isn't God, as we shall see later.
==Comfort's video, with commentary==
The excerpt below demonstrates Comfort and Cameron's approach to explaining the banana's "design features" and why the world needs improved science education.Ray Comfort's 2006 Hysterical Banana Argument Demonstrates What Creationists Mean By 'Proof'
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:First, Ray needs to tighten his delivery. Whenever a fundy preacher takes more than 60 seconds to rebut a complex scientific theory, he runs the risk of confusing his flock (see Creation Minute with Eric Hovind, for instance).
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:Ray says that there are five grooves on the index finger and thumb that correspond to the five ridges on the banana. Actually, there are at least six grooves within the finger-thumb circle. Comfort counts the two middle joints on the index finger, the middle joint on the thumb, the base joint on the finger and the base joint on the thumb (five joints/grooves). He ignores the groove formed when the tips of the finger and thumb are pressed together as well as the possible grooves from the proximal transverse and thenar creases of the palm.
:Much of this lecture seems to focus on Ray’s expertise in the manipulation of... bananas.
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:It's not really the banana that has a non-slip surface, it is the hand and specifically the skin, which has similar contact friction properties to rubber.BBC News - Fingerprint grip The human hand is also adapted to hold just about any kind of object, which is why most everyday objects could be classified as "non-slip", whether they're designed to be or otherwise. The term "non-slip surface" is generally used to refer to surfaces which are not prone to slips and falls, such as certain bathtubs, not to surfaces which are easy to grip with one's hand.
:Ironically, banana peels are known for their slipperiness.Banana Peel, TV Tropes.
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:Fruits are seedpods. The seed is often spread via the ingestion, and excretion, of the fruit by an animal. According to evolutionary theory, any fruit that developed the ability to clearly indicate the ripeness of fruit (i.e., green – too early; yellow - just right; black – too late) had an advantage reproducing over those that did not, and in time would out-reproduce other members of its own species.There are also multiple hypotheses for how fruit colouring evolved. See "The Evolution of Fruit Color in Fleshy-Fruited Plants" The American Naturalist, Vol. 136, No. 6, Dec., 1990 
:Still, Ray has, for the entire video so far, been ignoring the fact he is holding a banana that has been cultivated by humans to look appealing to humans. Bananas humans farm and eat don't hold developed seeds anymore, they have been selectively bred to be virtually seedless. The tiny black specks inside bananas are 'underdeveloped' seeds. .About.com Trees & Shrubs - Do Bananas Have Seeds?
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:Bananas, unlike citrus fruits, are fairly solid on the inside. It’s unlikely that you would need a pull tab to keep it from squirting you in the face. And while we're on the subject of this magic "tab," monkeys (and some people) eat the banana from the other end.World of Monkey.com (via Archive.org): Basically, the monkeys are right, humans do it upside down. If easy opening is the key feature of the banana, this raises questions why this feature is not present in other foods:
:* Why didn’t God “place a tab at the top” of oranges, grapefruit, lemons, or limes?
:* Why didn't God put pull tabs on hard-to-open foods like coconuts, pomegranates, hazelnuts, etc.?
:* And, come to think of it, why would Ray think that a banana would squirt in his face?
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:Ray demonstrates the proper technique of eating bananas. In the business, we call this the "money shot".
===Transcript===
Full transcript:
==Criticism==
The important fallacy of the argument is that it ignores the fact that the banana has been intelligently designed — by humans, through artificial selection. This is incredibly common for most, if not all, fruits, vegetables, and even animals that we use for food or to improve their utility to us in terms of ease of cultivation or taste. The banana was first domesticated around 8,000-9,000 years ago, somewhere in South and/or Southeast Asia, probably in today's Papua New Guineade Langhe, Edmond & de Maret, Pierre (2004). "Tracking the banana: its significance in early agriculture". In Hather, Jon G. The Prehistory of Food: Appetites for Change. Routledge. p. 372. ISBN 9780203203385. (which, following Comfort's logic, means that it was intelligently designed by some god worshiped there rather than by the Abrahamic God).Tracing antiquity of banana cultivation in Papua New Guinea To say that bananas are naturally designed to be the perfect food for humans is, at best, wishful thinking.
There is little that is natural about the banana as we know it today. The banana in the form that Comfort uses to illustrate his point is quite different from its wild predecessors — specifically, it's a seedless triploid, an asexual clone bred through banana-tree "pups" — manually-cut side-shoots of the parent corm, including a stem and some roots. It is only through human cultivation that it has managed to survive this long despite a complete lack of natural, sexual propagation. The wild banana, the predecessor of the cultivated fruit favourite, does reproduce sexually, pollinating their flowers in the usual way and having the botanical equivalent of sex. These wild bananas are small, dry cacao-pod-looking things loaded with inedible seeds and hard flesh. The soft, yellow flesh of the edible varieties is the result of collective mutations cultivated thousands of years ago. But this selection has rendered the fruits of these plants completely sterile, and so unable to survive in a wild "natural" state.Jeff Randall, Kirk Cameron, Ray Comfort And Bananas. Archived from thinking-critically.com, 17 July 2010. 
While the design aspects of the banana are pretty clear, Ray never mentions that bananas only grow between 30 degrees north latitude and 30 degrees south latitude. In fact, many cultures outside of the tropics never saw a banana until well into the twentieth century. Even today, many people have never seen a banana — Jesus certainly wouldn't have. They also grow on trees that can be up to twenty feet tall, making them difficult to harvest. So, if bananas are really such perfect examples of God's handiwork, if they are such a perfect food for humans, then why do they only grow in the tropics where so many people have no easy access to them?
Also, there are people who just don't like eating bananas, and some who have potentially fatal allergic reactions to them. If they were the perfect food, presumably everyone would want to eat them, and be able to do so without repercussions.
===Developing world crop failure===
The lack of sexual reproduction in cultivated bananas and plantains prevents genetic diversity, so cultivated bananas are vulnerable to a range of pests and diseases. Poor subsistence farmers in the developing world can face starvation when their whole plantation crop suddenly dies.National Geographic - Lack of Sex Life Threatens Banana Crops Another example is that until a few decades ago, the banana best known in the developed world was the Gros Michel variety (said to have been a bit tastier than the Cavendish we eat today). Gros Michel was effectively wiped out by Panama disease in the 1960s,Banana Peal hence the switch to the Cavendish. The Cavendish is now also threatened as are many less well known varieties. Scientists are unsure how to deal with the crisis which potentially could destroy the livelihoods of rich and poor farmers worldwide.The imminent death of the Cavendish banana and why it affects us all This is quite common to most domesticated and over-bred plants and animals, but bananas are specially vulnerable due to their failure to reproduce sexually. If this property was part of "intelligent" design, then serious questions would have to be asked of the designer's competence. Indeed, the points raised by Comfort as to the banana's positive design traits are quite minor details next to the plant's ability to successfully grow and act as a food source.
===Proof and disproof of design===
If bananas were truly "intelligently designed", they would have raisins in them. And they'd keep indefinitely without going bad or losing their vitamin content. And come in banoffee varieties. Or have vaccines in them for easier application and distribution or countless other attributes that have been pipe dreams of genetic engineers around the world for years. Someday, perhaps? And just occasionally they would reproduce sexually to help the plant breeders to overcome their genetic bottleneck. 
But the type of logic used when looking at specific design aspects of natural products can be used to prove the non-existence of a designer god too. In this case, Comfort selectively reports only the positive features of the banana, while other fruits have significant drawbacks that show anything but good design. Both the durian fruit and the pineapple have hard outer surfaces that require a sharp knife or hand axe to cut through, which is the exact opposite of the cases of the banana that is easy to get into. The durian fruit also possesses an incredibly pungent aroma that has seen the transport and storage of the fruit banned in some public places. There are also very few ergonomic properties associated with these fruits, either with them being large and bulky or covered in spines — again, demonstrating the opposite of the simple "pull tab" Comfort is so proud of.
===Atheist nightmare?===
Ray Comfort assumes that proof of the existence of a benevolent powerful being would be a nightmare to atheists. Why? To pretty much everyone, that would be very good news. This is something a sane atheist would be happy to be wrong about. Most atheists do not choose to disbelieve that a god exists because that is what they want. A good number of atheists in the West typically think that they have looked at the evidence and come to the conclusion that it is most reasonable not to believe that a god exists. 
What about a God who is sometimes benevolent during this life but treats most of us malevolently after death? That is Ray Comfort's God. According to Ray Comfort and other like-minded Christian fundamentalists, the overwhelming majority of people end up in Hell.
==Rapid back-pedaling==
Ray is so taken aback by people laughing at this video that he now claims that it was a hoax,Comfort claims the "Bananaman" video is a hoax perpetrated by atheists. perpetrated by atheists:"Atheist Central -- Ray Comfort's Blog: The Banana isn't Proof" (archive, retrieved 16 October 2011) 
An additional "apology" video was released by Ray Comfort. The video made the following claims:
==Trivia==
* Even after the good part is eaten, PZ Myers showed respect due to sacred objects by putting some banana peels into the trash with consecrated Eucharist, pages from a Koran, and from The God Delusion.The Great Desecration What is more, the image of Jesus appeared on the banana peel, proving the hand of God that the author is a monkey’s nephew.But wait, what's that I see there on the Banana Peel? 
* Bananas can be a nightmare to those atheists who suffer from bananaphobia, have a food allergy to bananas, play Mario Kart, carry a magnet for comedy slapstick, or have all of the above.
* According to legend, the banana was Beethoven's favorite fruit.What is Beethoven's Favorite Fruit? t3chvest on YouTube.
*As any sandwich connoisseur can tell you, banana goes great with that other atheist's nightmare, peanut butter.A Vegeterian Recipe: Peanue Butter and Banana Sandwich. Archived from kidshealth.org.
*It's good for vegetarians or those who want to reduce meat in their diet. Top creation scientists have yet to determine what this odd fact might mean, although most agree that it has something to do with mocking and smiting unbelievers. And goat. Definitely goat.
*When opening the banana one must use the convenient pull tab to open it, and be careful that it doesn't spurt in your face and leave a sticky mess. Warning courtesy of that great creationist guru Ray Comfort.
*The bananas of Musa acuminata, one of the two wild species of banana, uses bananas to attract various fruit-consuming animals, which it then uses as a vector to spread its seeds, as it does not have a mechanism for doing so itself. Today's "Grand Nain" Cavendish is actually a hybrid of three subspecies of M. acuminata.
*Musa balbisiana, on the other hand, fills its bananas with seeds.
*What about that other object that fits within the human hand and is conveniently placed to always be within an arm’s reach? That one was designed by God, or at least isn't the result of human selection (at least not conscious selection).
==More screed about fresh fruit==
Ray Comfort has actually expanded the banana fallacy to include other members of the fruit family, making the rather odd assumption that all fruit was manufactured by God(TM) for the nourishment of Man(TM) and no other purpose,Ray Comfort Makes a Fruit Salad, Dispatches from the Culture Wars despite the fact that many fruits cannot be digested by humans or will even He waxes so rhapsodic about it that it could inspire any number of bad jokes about fruit fetishes and the like, but we would never ever condone that sort of behaviorexcept whenever you read this articleon this web site.
==See also==
*Chiquita
*Peanut butter argument
*Bumblebee argument
*Amazing Atheist
==External links==
*The Banana: Proof of God (Atheist Parody)
*Even stupider
*Coconuts, of course, are satanic
===Videos===
*Origin of species - Science Fail Ray Comfort explains the banana fallacy while Kirk Cameron listens appreciatively with his hand close to his own crotch quite a bit.
*Stupid video about atheist rebuttal points. Hey! A YEC looked at this page and made a video! Woohoo! Sadly this video is private.
*What Ray does whenever he thinks about the banana
==Notes==
==References==
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