Bug triage/2008-09-17/Transcript

* https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: As we wait for more votes on other issues/more info too
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: I just want to say thanks again for all of the work you all do in going through issues...
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: it's amazing to see how many you've beaten me/us to!
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: One other quick announcement...
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: we're going to hold off on RC3 this week.
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: QA and dev have *plenty* on their plate and want to get more cleared off
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: Ok, shall we dance?
* [15:06] Aimee Trescothick: jazz, tap or ballroom?
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: First up...
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: break!
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: VWR-8814[c
* [15:06] Aimee Trescothick: :D
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: (break dance)
* [15:06] Aimee Trescothick: goes SNAP!
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8814
* [15:06] Aimee Trescothick: oops
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: does the robot
* [15:06] Garn Conover: does to get clean
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: trying repro now...
* [15:07] Gellan Glenelg: this repros for me (tho I've never used Alt-A or Alt-D on previous version, so not sure what it SHOULD do)
* [15:07] Squirrel Wood: how will this ruin the fashion industry?
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: i'm not sure i'm seeing it...looks same as with arrows to me
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: (on my mac)
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: But we don't want to hurt the fashionistas!
* [15:09] Squirrel Wood: might be a pc issue
* [15:09] Squirrel Wood: definitely repros for me
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:09] Gellan Glenelg: is your avatar at the cemtre of the rotation, bridie?
* [15:09] Gellan Glenelg: centre*
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: ok, let's import and have QA try to repro
* [15:09] Squirrel Wood: but only when using alt-a/d
* [15:09] Squirrel Wood: using arroe keys or a/d without alt works fine
* [15:10] Bridie Linden: looks same using either to me
* [15:10] Bridie Linden: anywho...
* [15:10] Bridie Linden: thx for info
* [15:10] Squirrel Wood: need video repro ?
* [15:10] Bridie Linden: sure
* [15:10] Squirrel Wood: I shall provide
* [15:11] Aimee Trescothick: repros for me I think on a mac
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: thx!
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:11] Nya Linden: video repros rock.
* [15:11] Nya Linden: thanks!
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: # VWR-8852[c
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8852
* [15:11] Nya Linden: lots of issues when opening new windows or notecards or stuff..
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: Oh, looks like Alexa commented
* [15:12] Gellan Glenelg: I tried to group them all together, using this as the "master" one
* [15:12] Gellan Glenelg: as i suspect they have a common cause
* [15:13] Nya Linden: vwr-8906 was imported and has been repro-ing in QA intermittently..
* [15:13] Bridie Linden: what Nya said
* [15:13] Nya Linden: but the main problem with these issues is no solid repro case.
* [15:13] Bridie Linden: I think we should mark the last one with a 'last triage' date and wait for more info
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: # VWR-8841[c
* [15:14] Nya Linden: current info from QA is no repro. :( 
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8841
* [15:14] Nya Linden: still trying, though.
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: Any thoughts on this one Zen?
* [15:15] Zen Linden: checking now
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: or https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7957 ?
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: Looks like that one is also under investigation by QA
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: Torley says he got bit by it too
* [15:16] Zen Linden: hmm..
* [15:16] Garn Conover: wonders if Torley got his Wezday sign
* [15:16] Zen Linden: i'd definitely import the clothing error one
* [15:16] Zen Linden: esp if torley's experiencing it
* [15:17] Bridie Linden: already is
* [15:17] Ellla McMahon: yes please ... waiting for it to be fixed so I can update my drivers :))
* [15:17] Zen Linden: wow, 96 votes
* [15:17] Bridie Linden: Yeah
* [15:17] Squirrel Wood: latest rc plus latest certified drivers... should not make this happen
* [15:18] Bridie Linden: We can update with more info when we have it from QA...
* [15:18] Squirrel Wood: though I can't say if that holds true for vista
* [15:18] Nya Linden: yep.
* [15:18] Bridie Linden: Squirrel feel free to comment
* [15:18] Zen Linden: we can have qa see if there are any leaks with 8800 with those drivers
* [15:18] Bridie Linden: Ok
* [15:18] Zen Linden: but I'm doubtful it'll turn up anything
* [15:18] Bridie Linden: sighs
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: Moving on then...
* [15:19] Zen Linden: i'd import and try
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: VWR-9065[c
* [15:19] Ellla McMahon: does the cache setting in SL make any difference ?
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9065
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: Zen?
* [15:20] Squirrel Wood: rc2 it works just fine
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: As for 9065, I noticed this if avs are on diff regions, but works fine if on same region
* [15:20] Zen Linden: works fine on intel integrated graphics (which is what I'm on right now)
* [15:20] Gellan Glenelg: sounds the same as .. which no longer happens
* [15:21] Zen Linden: yeah, i think this is just a connectivity issue
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: Disable camera constraints and try zooming in on an av on help island
* [15:21] Zen Linden: not a picking issue
* [15:21] Zen Linden: cannot repor
* [15:21] Garn Conover: works
* [15:21] Zen Linden: repro
* [15:22] Aimee Trescothick: had it happen to me a few times the last few days, but it's not reproing now
* [15:22] Zen Linden: i assume none of you with 8000 series nvidias can repro this?
* [15:22] Garn Conover: im on an 88 no repo
* [15:22] Bridie Linden: not reproing now for me w/public nightly
* [15:22] Bridie Linden: hmm
* [15:22] Ellla McMahon: I can't repro 8600
* [15:23] Squirrel Wood: no repro
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: ok
* [15:23] Zen Linden: i'm fine with closing as can't repro
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: Zen do you want to resolve 9065>
* [15:23] Zen Linden: cool
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: ty
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:24] Bridie Linden: VWR-8999[c
* [15:24] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8999
* [15:24] Squirrel Wood: I like the last comment on that one
* [15:24] Garn Conover: SL Monitor? what type of group is that?
* [15:24] Nya Linden: didn't we decide this one was a feature request?
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: i think so...
* [15:25] Nya Linden: oooh.
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: ?
* [15:25] Nya Linden: this IS the feature request.
* [15:25] Gellan Glenelg: I'm not seeing this. does it only affect dazzle skin?
* [15:25] Nya Linden: We marked the last one as resolved.. and this is the new issue that's a request.
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: but entered as a bug
* [15:25] Nya Linden: yes. needs to be moved to a feature.
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: agreed
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: I believe it is w/dazzle
* [15:26] Nya Linden: and then imported to RX
* [15:26] Nya Linden: yes - dazzle
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: Next u p
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: VWR-8924[c
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8924
* [15:27] Zen Linden: anyone want to try it?
* [15:27] Gellan Glenelg: crash report might help; could be another "opening a new floater" one
* [15:27] Aimee Trescothick: think I tried this lastweek and couldn't repro
* [15:28] Squirrel Wood: rc0 problem it seems
* [15:28] Squirrel Wood: I'd ask if it still happens with rc2
* [15:28] Aimee Trescothick: though my partner has been getting crashes everytime she right clicks a sculpt in rc2 :S
* [15:28] Zen Linden: aimee... ati card?
* [15:28] Aimee Trescothick: yeah, I think she has, iMac
* [15:29] Zen Linden: hmm...
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: how do i tell how many prims are in a linkset?
* [15:29] Zen Linden: not what i though
* [15:29] Zen Linden: thought
* [15:29] Squirrel Wood: hint for about:secondlife dialog - extract graphics driver version ? ^^
* [15:29] Child: Touched: child. llDetectedLinkNumber(0) = 1
* [15:29] Squirrel Wood: right-click edit. it should tell you on the first tab
* [15:29] Squirrel Wood: 1 object, 14 primitives
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: duh, thx Squirrel
* [15:29] Squirrel Wood: np ^^
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: (i was looking @ things in my inventory)
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: I don't think i have a sculpty with that many prims
* [15:30] Aimee Trescothick: just copy it a few times and link them?
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: oh good idea
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: I'll try later unless anyone can now?
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: later it is!
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: VWR-8935[c
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8935
* [15:32] Bridie Linden: this feels like a dupe...
* [15:32] Bridie Linden: looks
* [15:32] Aimee Trescothick: ah, speak of the devil, there's my partner's graphics set up lol
* [15:32] Aimee Trescothick: (Trinity)
* [15:33] Ellla McMahon: update available to 10.
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: ?
* [15:33] Ellla McMahon: Darwin 9.5.0
* [15:34] Aimee Trescothick: ah, yeah she has update since then I think
* [15:34] Ellla McMahon: great :))
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: Ellla you marked VWR-8998 as a dupe of VWR-8920?
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: Zen what say you?
* [15:35] Ellla McMahon: let me look
* [15:35] Zen Linden: 8920 is being worked on right?
* [15:35] Zen Linden: one sec
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: yes
* [15:36] Zen Linden: hmmm... i can't definitively say that 8935 is the same thing
* [15:36] Zen Linden: i'd make a note on the internal jira
* [15:36] Zen Linden: to check it
* [15:36] Bridie Linden: are the other 2 dupes?
* [15:36] Zen Linden: i can't say for sure.
* [15:37] Zen Linden: i'd have whoever is working on it verify that
* [15:37] Bridie Linden: well, i'll link them up then
* [15:37] Ellla McMahon: hmm the snapshots adds an extra elements .. its not strictly a dupe, sorry :( 
* [15:37] Bridie Linden: one sec
* [15:37] Zen Linden: right
* [15:37] Bridie Linden: oh, np ellla!
* [15:37] Zen Linden: it could be the same cause
* [15:38] Zen Linden: but I can't say for sure unless i was under the hood
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: let's import VWR-8935 and link to other internal issue as well.
* [15:38] Zen Linden: sounds good
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: cool
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: next up
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: # VWR-8875[c
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8875
* [15:39] Squirrel Wood: repros for me
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: yup
* [15:39] Gellan Glenelg: me too
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: I'd lower priority though
* [15:39] Aimee Trescothick: yep
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: and import for a quick fix
* [15:39] Squirrel Wood: waits impatiently for u2b to finish processing the video repro for vwr-8814
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: Thx Squirrel
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: was short on patience yesterday!
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: # VWR-8883[c
* [15:41] Squirrel Wood: linux...
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: yes indeedy
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: I think we need a little bit more info to diagnose this one...
* [15:41] Gellan Glenelg: is that enough detail, or would actual log file help?
* [15:42] Bridie Linden: details of how to repro/what reporter was doing would help
* [15:42] Bridie Linden: Next one/last one
* [15:42] Bridie Linden: VWR-9056[c
* [15:43] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9056
* [15:43] Zen Linden: sounds like mem leaking that *might* be fixed by something bao was working on that hasn't made release
* [15:44] Bridie Linden: 9056 was reported against RC0
* [15:44] Bridie Linden: should we ask to try RC2?
* [15:44] Zen Linden: there probably won't be a change
* [15:45] Bridie Linden: coming soon?
* [15:45] Zen Linden: i really want to see if 1.22 fixes it
* [15:45] Zen Linden: yeah
* [15:45] Squirrel Wood: fps drop could be due to dozens of texture load requests ?
* [15:45] Bridie Linden: let's keep an eye on this one and mark w/last triaged date
* [15:45] Ellla McMahon: VWR-9056 needs a OpenGL update Version: 2.0.3 is quite old
* [15:45] Zen Linden: or accessing cached data using a leaky file io library
* [15:46] Bridie Linden: Zen if you'd like to add any info in a comment that'd be great too
* [15:46] Squirrel Wood: even on my system the framerate goes down from 30-40 to 20-30
* [15:46] Bridie Linden: I see a dip too
* [15:46] Bridie Linden: but not down to 2-3
* [15:46] Zen Linden: will do
* [15:46] Squirrel Wood: hmm.. I'm gonna check open handles for sl.exe
* [15:47] Squirrel Wood: yep. still happening.. when you have the map open, SL keep saccumulating open file handles. once you close the map they eventually are cleared
* [15:47] Bridie Linden: ah
* [15:47] Squirrel Wood: this MAY eventually be part of the problem
* [15:48] Bridie Linden: Squirrel, comment?
* [15:48] Bridie Linden: that's it for today's agenda
* [15:48] Bridie Linden: Please continue to vote up/report any new issues
* [15:49] Bridie Linden: I vote for ending early today
* [15:49] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
* [15:49] Bridie Linden: grins @ great triage group!
* [15:49] Aimee Trescothick: anyone else noticing their group list not sorted btw?
* [15:49] Gellan Glenelg: yeah
* [15:49] Squirrel Wood: humm
* [15:49] Squirrel Wood: ^^
* [15:49] Aimee Trescothick: thought I was going nuts earlier lol
* [15:49] Bridie Linden: was that already reported?
* [15:50] Aimee Trescothick: don't know, that's why I was asking :D
* [15:50] Gellan Glenelg: yes: 
* [15:50] Aimee Trescothick: thanks Gellan :) 
* [15:50] Bridie Linden: thx Gellan
* [15:50] Bridie Linden: and imported too
* [15:50] Bridie Linden: gives everyone 10 mins back in their day!
* [15:50] Bridie Linden: See ya next week!
* [15:50] Aimee Trescothick: :D
* [15:50] Squirrel Wood: W00t!
* [15:50] Nya Linden: thank you all!
* [15:50] Aimee Trescothick: bye :) 
* [15:50] Squirrel Wood: btw.. watch that video ^^
* [15:51] Squirrel Wood: It has pie!
* [15:51] Bridie Linden: yay!
* [15:51] Nya Linden: when come back bring pie!