Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2011-02-17

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on February 17th, 2011
== Agenda ==
=== Updates ===
* Main Channel
** Display Names fixes from LeTigre.
*** lots of fixes.
*** how's it look?
** http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/release/blog/2011/02/14/deploys-for-the-week-of-2011-02-14
* Magnum
** Maint Server + encroachment bug fixes + Interest List + Display Names code.
** Scheduled for promotion next week.
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/Magnum
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/11
* LeTigre
** Kelly's mono2-aware branch
** This branch paves the way for upgrading the Mono virtual machine that runs scripts in Second Life. This branch ensures that scripts continue to work as we upgrade.
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/LeTigre
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/11
* Blue Steel
** Content Management projct.
** Updates to the updates to the IP management tools
** Fixed crash modes.
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/BlueSteel
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/11
=== Upcoming Stuff ===
* Lithium blog software upgrade
** http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2011/02/16/a-new-community-platform-coming-march-2nd
** Interim status pages.
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Release_Status_Whiteboard
* XMPP
** No details yet
* Log's download queue work
** Finding the laggiest download queue sims and testing with them.
** Might need a pile-on
=== Interesting Stuff ===
* Interviews with our new CEO
** http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2011/02/rod-humble-linden-lab-ceo-second-life-inteview.html
** http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/02/10/interview-rod-humble-on-second-life/
** http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2011/02/12/virtual-dialogues-my-conversation-with-rod-humble-ceo-of-linden-lab/#comments
** http://www.metaversejournal.com/2011/02/15/interview-rod-humble-ceo-of-linden-lab/
** http://phaylen.com/?p=719
=== Any Other Items ===
* Status of Since Feb 8th Server Rollout to main simulator isn't reliably sending inventory item UUID for attachments (also fixing the attach event on tp or at other times)
* Status of Notices not showing sender in email
= Transcript =
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for February 17th, 2011:
* [15:01] Marigold Devin: Shhh stop talking about him, he's here
* [15:01] Marigold Devin: Ohgod my chair spoke !
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: hi MGD
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: and crew
* [15:01] Gooden Uggla: hiya oskar
* [15:01] RedMokum Bravin: Ah.... Oskar is here. Good!
* [15:01] Marigold Devin: Hiya
* [15:01] Latif Khalifa: hello
* [15:01] Master StarshipMaster: Starship smiels
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: it's good to see you all
* [15:01] Draconis Neurocam: hey oskar
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: i'm always so excited to see how many people show up
* [15:01] RedMokum Bravin: I hope nobody depends on the Office Hour Hud cause it was way off today.
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:02] TankMaster Finesmith: hiya oskar
* [15:02] Lares Carter: heya Oskar
* [15:02] Marigold Devin: Awww Oskar so easily pleased
* [15:02] Coyot Linden: *cough*
* [15:02] Coyot Linden: :)
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: I am easily pleased
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: happy oskar
* [15:02] Psi Merlin: Hi Oskar, Log, Coyot and beta fans
* [15:02] Gooden Uggla: red that HUD needs a major re-schedule
* [15:03] RedMokum Bravin: Sure. If you say so. :-p
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: and I have a circuit bending class tonight that I am excited about
* [15:03] Coyot Linden: hi Psi
* [15:03] Gooden Uggla: oohhh that sounds fun
* [15:03] TankMaster Finesmith: howdy maestro, long time no see :P
* [15:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Coyot Linden has arrived
* [15:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Oskar Linden has arrived
* [15:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Log Linden has arrived
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: yeah I bought a little electronic piano for $2 and I'm gonna go solder on some stuff to tweak the sounds
* [15:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Maestro Linden has arrived
* [15:03] Gooden Uggla: hiya maestro
* [15:04] Marigold Devin: sweet
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: oh we have a linden greeter now huh?
* [15:04] Lares Carter: hi Maestro :)
* [15:04] Maestro Linden: hey guys
* [15:04] Marigold Devin: solder
* [15:04] Flip Idlemind: Fancy Linden Greeter*
* [15:04] Psi Merlin: Hey Maestro
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: alright. let's get this show on the road
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
* [15:04] Gooden Uggla: lol now they can't sneak up on us
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: today the lab is having a hack-a-thon
* [15:05] Draconis Neurocam: i hope it goes well
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: lots of devs and qa are hammering on some new vwr build and automation stuff
* [15:05] Marigold Devin: ohgod I'm wearing loads of scripts
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: everyday is hack-a-thon for me
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: so I made it a dev-a-thon and pretended I was simon or monty and started touching server code
* [15:05] RedMokum Bravin: Hey, Oz tried to make it sound special!
* [15:05] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [15:06] Latif Khalifa: touching code is not for the uninitiated
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:06] RedMokum Bravin: Did the code survive?
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: ok ok latif
* [15:06] Jonathan Yap: Are we getting svc-1167 from you Oskar?
* [15:06] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1167: 
* [#SVC-1167] Script function: to return objects 
* [15:06] Master Starship: well as long as you only make it better
* [15:06] Oskar LindenOskar: Linden sets group limits back to 42 from 100
* [15:06] Master Starship: or change a varable from 40 to 42
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: let's talk about releases this week
* [15:07] Latif Khalifa: having more groups would've been fun... in 2008 :P
* [15:07] Ima Mechanique: providing you don't touch it in inappropriate ways and never ask the code to keep it a secret
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: the long awaited Display Name changes made it live on Tuesday
* [15:07] TankMaster Finesmith: what changed?
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: there were quite a few fixes and changes in there
* [15:07] RedMokum Bravin: Not seen ??? lately.
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: oh my link broke...
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: hmm
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: 
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: * Modify simulator top scripts report to include agent IDs instead of usernames.
* * Messages sent to estate by user with last name resident are seen as forged by simulator
* * llGetDisplayName failed intermittently
* * Offline group invite email contains Username only and contains Resident last name in body of message
* * llGetDisplayName returns nothing if the resident has not chosen a new name (shouldn't it return at least the legacy name, like the viewer is showing for their name?)
* * Last name resident shown in title of IM Conference Window with no Display name
* * metadata embedded in postcards: shows username="Firstname Lastname" instead of "firstname.lastname"
* * Confirm LSL functions tooltips have current valid descriptions
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: not sure if anyone has gotten the chance to notice if the DN code is working any better but it should be
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: I've not seen any major complaints
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: or if I did they were from a user using unpronounceable unicode
* [15:09] RedMokum Bravin: :-p
* [15:09] Latif Khalifa: i've turned it off, people abuse it making it difficult to read chat ;)
* [15:09] Coyot LindenCoyot: Linden has discovered that the DN code will not let him set his DN to ???
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: I know :-)
* [15:09] Gooden Uggla: do bans work now?
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: sure you can coyot. let me show you later ;-)
* [15:10] Coyot Linden: k
* [15:10] RedMokum Bravin: Oskar will teach you how to use upside-down question marks no doubt.
* [15:10] TankMaster Finesmith: set it on the backend server side :P
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: are you jumping topics gooden? :-)
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: I do everything on the backend
* [15:10] Gooden Uggla: oops, my bad
* [15:10] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: uhm
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: yeah
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: ok
* [15:10] Latif Khalifa: can you set display name to '; drop table users;
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: heh
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: little bobby drop tables
* [15:11] Opensource Obscure: ^^
* [15:11] TankMaster Finesmith: >,<
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: what would the internet be without obscure memes
* [15:11] Master Starship: error table users not found
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: it's like one big inside joek
* [15:11] TankMaster Finesmith: useing > will cause you to termonate yout XMPP session in group chat...
* [15:11] Latif Khalifa: 
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: I remember when I came back from a long motorcycle ride through australia where I had limited internet access for half a year and I didn't get any jokes
* [15:12] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: my friends were like talking in code I didn't know
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: it moves that fast
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: anyways
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: maint-server got merged witht he DN code
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: deployed to magnum and will get promoted next week
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: it's been a very patient little branch
* [15:13] Coyot Linden: promoted if all goes well
* [15:13] Latif Khalifa: whom do we bribe to get step 1 and 2 of mono upgrade fast throgh?
* [15:13] Latif Khalifa: maestro?
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: speaking of coyot we should convene in email Monday night to see if we should do the roll Tuesday morning since Monday is a holiday
* [15:14] Coyot Linden: Governor Lindeon
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: kelly
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: all moneys go to kelly
* [15:14] Jonathan Yap: LL holiday on MOnday?
* [15:14] Maestro Linden: actually step 1 is already in RC :)
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: yes
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: speaking of step 1
* [15:14] Latif Khalifa: kelly says his work is done, it's up to qa now hof fast it gets tehre
* [15:14] Coyot Linden: oskar - Lil and I to convo on that Friday night
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: LeTigre has mono2-aware
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: maestro can you give a rundown on mono2-aware?
* [15:15] Maestro Linden: sure,
* [15:15] Carbon Rod,: X-Flight: All Go
* [15:15] Maestro Linden: so mono2-aware only has minor performance improvements compared to previous server versions
* [15:15] Latif Khalifa: "don't crash when you see serialization of the real mono2 update"
* [15:15] Maestro Linden: but we have a 2nd branch, Mono2Performance, which dose have a lot of performance optimizations
* [15:16] Gooden Uggla: after 2+ years it's finally happening :)
* [15:16] Maestro Linden: mono2performance scripts will crash if they're rezzed in older servers
* [15:16] Maestro Linden: but mono2aware can deal wtih mono2performance scripts
* [15:16] Latif Khalifa: yeah mono2-aware is only crash proofing existing engine for the real update
* [15:17] Maestro Linden: so once mono2aware is out on all channels, we'll be able to try out mono2performance on certain channels
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: see! we made a plan
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: and thought ahead
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: aren't you proud?
* [15:17] Draconis Neurocam: very
* [15:17] Latif Khalifa: it's an exception that proves the rule :P
* [15:17] Gooden Uggla: you have no idea
* [15:17] Homeless: we're: proud!!
* [15:17] Jonathan Yap: Does that mean there will be another checkbox for LSL compiling types?
* [15:17] Draconis Neurocam: mono upgrades, msvc 2010 upgrades, xmpp, its crazy, things are actually getting done
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: so you'll hear more here abot when the next mono2 phase is ready
* [15:18] Maestro Linden: Jonathan: nope, it's still just LSL or Mono
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: things are moving so fast it's hard to keep track of it all
* [15:18] Master Starship: much better than the last one
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: even in the last 6 months
* [15:18] Jonathan Yap: So new compiles will be into Mono2
* [15:18] TankMaster Finesmith: 
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: the idea that we basically ship 4 new versions of server code weekly kinda boggle the mind
* [15:18] Latif Khalifa: kcp ftw
* [15:19] Master Starship: and in parrall not seral
* [15:19] Gooden Uggla: has someone chained Kelly to his desk yet?
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: moving on, BlueSteel got some improvements to the IP management tools that had been crashing sims
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: they seem to be less crashy
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: probably let that sit for a couple more weeks
* [15:19] TankMaster Finesmith: less crashy is a good thing
* [15:19] Latif Khalifa: did you add "undo" button for when governene damages half of the grid by mitake?
* [15:20] Latif Khalifa: governence
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: I wish
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: a big old CONTROL-Z in our tools panel
* [15:20] Master Starship: why did they not jsut change the asset instead of removing it
* [15:20] Latif Khalifa: would be useful
* [15:20] Coyot Linden: assets are immutable
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: I don't know
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: it wasn't an intentional error
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: if that makes you feel better
* [15:21] Master Starship: then how dothey change them for IP items
* [15:21] Jonathan Yap: Is any error intentional? :)
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: the details on the IP management tools are a big secret
* [15:21] Gooden Uggla: they substitute a placeholder item for the object, the UUID is immutable
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: I didn't have any firstborns to offer so they won't tell me
* [15:22] Coyot Linden: The TCP management, not so much
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: some people believe that all our errors are intentional and part of some devious master plabn
* [15:22] Draconis Neurocam: the amount of uuids in sl has to be a better test for the standard than anyone ever thought of before
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: I only wish that were true
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: then there are others who will say that I can't talk about the master plan and this is just a diversion
* [15:23] Homeless: isn't: the plan to take over the world?
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: it gets deeper
* [15:23] Gooden Uggla: we don't believe that oskar, we believe the top floor just smokes too much weed
* [15:23] Latif Khalifa: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity" <- Heinlein's Razor
* [15:23] Coyot Linden: Bob would love you for that.
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:24] Homeless: and: turn everyone into bots?
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: we have open office floorplans so whatever anyone is smoking the rest get it too
* [15:24] Coyot Linden: No, that's more Asimov than Heinlein
* [15:24] Gooden Uggla: wow, someone referred to bob the prim?
* [15:24] Coyot Linden: No, Bob Heinlein
* [15:24] Marigold DevinMarigold: Devin mutters conspiracy theories, weed, bots grrr
* [15:24] Gooden Uggla: coyot is going to get huge love in comic form
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: Coyot is on nicknames basis with Mr Heinlein
* [15:25] Gooden Uggla: or not...
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: I call him Robby H
* [15:25] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: speaking of AWG conspiracy theories we are upgrading our blogs/forums
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: to a Lithuium offering
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: info here: 
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: there will be some downtime
* [15:26] Draconis Neurocam: anything has to be better than jive
* [15:26] Marigold Devin: Ohgod people are going to die without theh forums for 10 whole days !!!! have you read the reactions there already?
* [15:26] Gooden Uggla: not that it's admitting the lab made a mistake or anything...
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: the good news is that it will make next weeks release very very quiet in the forums
* [15:26] Homeless: Just: don't put Lithium in the water
* [15:26] Gooden Uggla: lol that would solve the problem of having bitchy users
* [15:26] Coyot Linden: You see, they aren't on weed - it's lithium
* [15:27] Flip Idlemind: Yes people with die without the forums. Where else will people talk to eachother? o.O
* [15:27] Latif Khalifa: It's not a AWG conspiracy theory, just constatation that LL has severe case of Facebook envy which is couterproductive to SL's success
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: I toyed with a few ideas of a replacement
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: I wanted a webcam pointing to my whiteboard
* [15:27] Gooden Uggla: oh?
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: where I would write updates
* [15:27] Gooden Uggla: that's a good idea, could be fun
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: you know what... I'm going to do that anyways
* [15:27] Gooden Uggla: ~^.^~"Hey, This promises to Be Fun!"~^.^~
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: I'll just upload pics
* [15:27] Draconis Neurocam: time lapse
* [15:28] Homeless: draw: plenty of cartoons
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: I will
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: this will be the link: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Release_Status_Whiteboard
* [15:28] Draconis Neurocam: haha
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: pass that link around when people want to know what is going on with server
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: we've got some progress made on the XMPP front.
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: we've got some project vwr code talking to our XMPP servers here on ADITI
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: it's actually working
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: more info on that when project vwrs are publicly available
* [15:30] Oskar LindenOskar: Linden looks forward to new group chat bugs!
* [15:30] TankMaster FinesmithTankMaster: Finesmith is on the xmpp vwr
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: nice
* [15:30] Latif Khalifa: we found many already
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:31] TankMaster Finesmith: yeah, i found one bug alreadu
* [15:31] TankMaster Finesmith: > kills the chat session
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: let's give tank and latif a round of applause for finding early bugs
* [15:31] TankMaster Finesmith: 
* [15:31] TankMaster Finesmith: gez knows of it now
* [15:31] Psi Merlin: Make a whiteboard here and put the link on it.
* [15:31] Ima Mechanique: I only found out how to crash myself out of the viewer :-(
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: now when it goes live if there are any issues with group chat poke them
* [15:32] Latif Khalifa: only for the bugs we didn't find ;)
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: when it comes to rollout we'll most likely have a time when new and old chat services are both available on the grid
* [15:32] Latif Khalifa: but it smells very alpha, i wouldn't expect xmpp chat to go live any time soon
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: so if you feel the need for laggy chat just fire up an old group chat
* [15:32] TankMaster Finesmith: or use 1.23
* [15:33] Latif Khalifa: xmpp chat is pretty laggy the way it's implemented
* [15:33] Homeless: the: lag adds a certain anticipation
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: good to know
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: 1
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: 2
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: 6
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: 5
* [15:33] Latif Khalifa: 5-10s freeze when a new participant logs in
* [15:33] TankMaster Finesmith: local doesnt use xmpp...
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: log is still working on the download queue enhancements in the asset server code
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: we had xan run some stats to figure out which regions had the longest download queues
* [15:34] Zindonas Loxingly: is that delay an issue with xmpp or a network issue?
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: then I contacted those sim owners and asked if they wanted to help by letting us use their sims on aditi with some new code
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: they were very excited :-D
* [15:35] TankMaster Finesmith: 
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: we might doa pileon in those regions in the coming weeks
* [15:35] Jonathan Yap: loads of textures?
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: 3 of the top 10 were mainland regions
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: not textures
* [15:35] Motor Loon: what would cause it then?
* [15:35] Latif Khalifa: Zindonas, xmpp server calling a web service to check if you are allowed to join. It's done sync (everything freezes until web service responds). It needs to be rewriten in async mode.
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: sounds is an example
* [15:36] Log Linden: there's another bottleneck on textures
* [15:36] Log Linden: that's for a future project
* [15:36] Log Linden: this needed to happen first
* [15:36] Draconis Neurocam: i wonder if thats related to the issue where viewer 2 sends mediadataclientrequests like mad, and if the stats will change when they fix it
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: anything else new and upcoming maestro?
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: we're working on those recent attachment bugs
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: oh right
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: SVC-6766 / SVC-6769
* [15:38] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6766: 
* [#SVC-6766] Since Feb: 8th Server Rollout to main simulator isn't reliably sending inventory item UUID for attachments 
* [15:38] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6769: 
* [#SVC-6769] Taking off: part or all of a clothing/attachment set and then wearing another item often causes the the removed item(s) to reapear 
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: yeah I had those in any other business
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: hm let's see
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: nice long talk about those at andrews server usergroup
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: next week, we're planning to have another new RC
* [15:38] Bronson Blackadder: I seen this
* [15:38] Flip Idlemind: Ferrari?
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: to address cumulative lag that pops up on some regions which is related to derezzing objects
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: I wish. legal said I can't name an RC after Ferrari
* [15:39] Maestro Linden: I mean, another new server build on one of the existing RC channels :)
* [15:39] Flip Idlemind: Ah okie dokie
* [15:39] Homeless: you: could call it Homeless lol
* [15:39] Flip Idlemind: Would have been cool. 5 server versions a week :O
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: 5 server versions a week would be nuts
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: Coyot? how about it?
* [15:40] TankMaster Finesmith: ^
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: you up for tracking 5 diff branches per week?
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: you could handle it
* [15:40] Draconis Neurocam: would form a pentagram and then all the conspiracy theorists would go nuts
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: he's been doing server releases for like a whole week now
* [15:41] Marigold DevinMarigold: Devin cues Aerosmith Livin on the Edge
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: right now it's a pyramid
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: traingular based pyramid?
* [15:41] Maestro Linden: by the way Jonathan, you won't need to recompile Mono scripts in Mono2performance to make them run faster - they'll automatically run with the optimizations when they're rezzed
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: isn't that intimidating?
* [15:41] Jonathan Yap: sweet Maestro
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: that is cool
* [15:42] Bronson Blackadder: pyramids hmm yes Freemasons
* [15:42] Bronson Blackadder: the all seeing Linden and all that
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: with kelly's eye in the center
* [15:42] arton Rotaru: so we have to rerez all scripted objects to benefit from the update?
* [15:42] Coyot LindenCoyot: Linden is not committing to five RCs
* [15:43] Maestro Linden: nope
* [15:43] Gooden Uggla: the "all-scripted eye"
* [15:43] Maestro Linden: just rez them when you want to run them, no preliminary rez required
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: in my Interesting Stuff topic on the agenda I put some links to interviews with Rodvik Linden our new CEO
* [15:43] arton Rotaru: yeah, but with objects rezzed like houses
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: you guys might find those interesting
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: I've not watched them all
* [15:44] Lares Carter: i saw, thanks for the links, oskar
* [15:44] Master Starship: will it deoptimize any of our scripts?
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: I'm about done for topics. we can freeform the rest of this meeting
* [15:45] Maestro Linden: I don't think so
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: maestro will answer any and all personal questions
* [15:45] Latif Khalifa: don't read nwn one. hamlet is a pihhead
* [15:45] Draconis Neurocam: haha
* [15:45] Latif Khalifa: he wants to turn sl into 2.5D "tap to move there!" farmville clone
* [15:45] Homeless: I: have a visitor counter that is always running, would I have to reset it or re-rez it?
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: good question
* [15:46] Maestro Linden: no, you wouldn't have to re-rez it
* [15:46] Bronson Blackadder: tap to move there looked like crap on Blue Mars
* [15:46] arton Rotaru: ok, thats what I wanted to know
* [15:46] Master Starship: also does it optimize time or mem usage?
* [15:46] Homeless: just: leave it go and the update is automatic?
* [15:46] Maestro Linden: it would be all ready when the sim starts up in mono2performance
* [15:46] Jonathan Yap: It will get upgraded when the server is updated?
* [15:47] Latif Khalifa: bronson, hamlet is just pissd off blue mars failed, now he wants sl to fail too
* [15:47] Maestro Linden: hm, Kelly would be able to answer more detailed questions about the nature of the optimizations in mono2performance
* [15:47] Bronson Blackadder: who's hamlet?
* [15:47] Master Starship: best to email her?
* [15:47] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Gez Tester has arrived
* [15:47] Draconis Neurocam: i wonder how many copies of mvs 2010 they had to get for all the LL employees
* [15:47] Coyot Linden: hamlet on rye, hold the mayo
* [15:47] TankMaster FinesmithTankMaster: Finesmith waves to gez
* [15:47] Maestro Linden: yes Jonathan, all inworld scripts will be updated then
* [15:47] Homeless: To: be or not to be...
* [15:48] Bronson Blackadder: but yes I tried out BM and freakin puked
* [15:48] Jonathan Yap: get a little closer Gez so we all can hear you
* [15:48] Bronson Blackadder: SL had no cpompetition there
* [15:48] Bronson Blackadder: competition even
* [15:48] Gez Tester: may log back in with my linden account in a sec here.
* [15:48] Latif Khalifa: hamlet is ex linden, self proclaimed "journalist". recently been working for blue mars. basically a pen for hire
* [15:49] Latif Khalifa: hey Gez
* [15:49] Gez Tester: howdy latif
* [15:49] RedMokum Bravin: How's the web portal doing in bringing in new residents?
* [15:49] RedMokum Bravin: (I wouldn't know who really watches over that.)
* [15:50] Flip Idlemind: So I've got something odd: Ya know that parallelogram-ish shape that mesh objects show up as if you're not on a mesh viewer?
* [15:50] Latif Khalifa: the pyramid
* [15:50] Latif Khalifa: orangle/yellow thing
* [15:51] Latif Khalifa: ah
* [15:51] Latif Khalifa: Flip, now I understand
* [15:51] Latif Khalifa: yeah
* [15:51] Motor Loon: what about it Flip?
* [15:51] Flip Idlemind: Idk if it's a server thing or a Phoenix thing (I'm on Phoenix) but if I go to Ahern (the sim to the north) most of the prims change to look like that
* [15:52] Bronson Blackadder: Freemasons I tell you
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: ahern is not on mesh code
* [15:52] Maestro Linden: the Ahern prims look normal to me from here
* [15:52] Bronson Blackadder: it's freemasons
* [15:52] Flip Idlemind: Including things attached to be, but it's only if I cross into Ahern
* [15:52] Latif Khalifa: to meetoo
* [15:52] Motor Loon: me too
* [15:52] Flip Idlemind: attached to me*
* [15:52] Gooden Uggla: display name ban bug fixed?
* [15:53] Gooden Uggla: noticve to email bug fixed?
* [15:53] Gooden Uggla: notice*
* [15:54] Maestro Linden: SVC-5959 isn't fixed yet
* [15:54] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5959: 
* [#SVC-5959] Groups notices: sent to email do not identify sender 
* [15:54] Gooden Uggla: is it going to a channel anytime soon?
* [15:54] Jonathan Yap: Is that a pretty simple fix?
* [15:54] Motor Loon: oh yeah, thats an annoying one
* [15:54] Latif Khalifa: if it gets past 2 server releases it fails "was this broken in our last release" test, and never gets fixed after that ;)
* [15:55] Maestro Linden: there's a fix for the bug, Gooden
* [15:55] Gooden Uggla: excellent
* [15:55] Gooden Uggla: any plans to implement the fix?
* [15:55] Latif Khalifa: like inventory accepted notification
* [15:55] Motor LoonMotor: Loon grins
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: that's a sad reality sometimes latif
* [15:55] Maestro Linden: it'll probably come to an RC channel in a few weeks, as part of some maint-server type of update (many small bugfixes)
* [15:55] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Gez Linden has arrived
* [15:55] Gooden Uggla: o9k, coolyou'll make a lot of fans that day
* [15:56] Motor Loon: oh the space pirate monkey is back
* [15:56] Homeless: space: pirate monkey?
* [15:56] Gez Linden: yep, lost my connection ;)
* [15:57] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
* [15:57] Motor Loon: better than your head ;-)
* [15:57] Gooden Uggla: ao on
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: ok guys I got this page setup with a real whiteboard pic:-p https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Release_Status_Whiteboard
* [15:57] Latif Khalifa: probably typed >.< in xmpp viewer lol
* [15:57] Coyot Linden: He's a space monkey, bet you weren't ready for that, yeah, yeah
* [15:57] Motor Loon: ooh
* [15:57] Motor Loon: pretty drawings
* [15:57] Motor Loon: you're so talented Oskar
* [15:57] Latif Khalifa: lol oskar
* [15:57] Draconis Neurocam: tangent is going to love that oskar
* [15:57] Gooden Uggla: good drawing ability oskar
* [15:58] Motor Loon: Looks just like the real thing
* [15:58] Gez LindenGez: Linden wants a sweet status whiteboard like that.
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: I <3 tangent
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: he does such a good job
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: my coworkers put that on my birthday cake
* [15:58] TankMaster Finesmith: yes he does
* [15:58] Draconis Neurocam: nice
* [15:58] Gooden Uggla: lol awesome
* [15:58] Motor Loon: ;-)
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: the shop NEVER does custom cakes
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: but they saw that design and were like oh ok
* [15:58] Latif Khalifa: hehe
* [15:59] Marigold Devin: sweet
* [15:59] Master Starship: mastero I may have a repo on that bg
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: 1 minute left
* [15:59] TankMaster Finesmith: any last minut things to say, gez?
* [15:59] Maestro Linden: the attachment one?
* [15:59] Master Starship: of items showing up when whey should not
* [15:59] Master Starship: yep
* [15:59] Maestro Linden: oh yeah? is it pretty reliable?
* [16:00] Master Starship: not sure they jsut logged into here and hadthe problem ofskirt allways attaching to them
* [16:00] Bronson Blackadder: I seen it too
* [16:00] Gez Linden: I'm working on getting up a project for the xmpp viewer in the next day or so. hackathon is taking precedence currently, but we'll get something up there for you.
* [16:00] Maestro Linden: I found that I can trigger the "can't attach item twice" error message when I wear a bunch of attachmetns and login wtih my viewer bandwidth set to 100kbps
* [16:00] Master Starship: having them relog
* [16:00] Maestro Linden: but that didnt' actually show my attachments detached in inventory..
* [16:01] Flip Idlemind: Would anyone care to take a quick flight into Ahern to see if any prims start looking strange
* [16:01] Motor Loon: I'll do that Flip
* [16:01] Maestro Linden: melvin: yep, that's the main issue I'm seeing with attachments (and it appears that nearby avatars do see them as well)
* [16:01] Homeless: ok: 
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: thanks for showing up everyone
* [16:02] Oskar Linden: I'll get the transcript up soon
* [16:02] Marigold Devin: super
* [16:02] Master Starship: I more offten do not see them when they should be here
* [16:02] Gooden Uggla: thanks for the links
* [16:02] TankMaster Finesmith: thz for having this and keepng up more up to date
* [16:02] Motor Loon: yeah, saw a bit there looking wierd
* [16:02] Latif Khalifa: thanks and take care
* [16:02] Oskar Linden: I appreciate you all coming
* [16:02] Oskar Linden: and thanks for those who came to kiss me on Monday
* [16:02] Oskar Linden: and thanks for the guys here who did not
* [16:02] Gooden Uggla: the beta guys have built-in awesomeness
* [16:03] Marigold Devin: haha
* [16:03] Marigold Devin: hahaha
* [16:03] Marigold Devin: I haven't washed my lips since
* [16:03] Latif Khalifa: what was on Monday?
* [16:03] Gooden Uggla: but not quite THAT awesome
* [16:03] Log Linden: later everyone!
* [16:03] Oskar Linden: one girl blogged about it, then I found the blog and commented and I think she about died
* [16:03] Maestro Linden: alright guys, thanks for coming!
* [16:03] Oskar Linden: the Kiss-A-Linden events
* [16:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Gez Linden has arrived
* [16:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Oskar Linden has arrived
* [16:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Log Linden has arrived
* [16:03] Homeless: prims: looked ok to me
* [16:03] Oskar Linden: oh wait gez is here?
* [16:03] Latif Khalifa: ah
* [16:03] Gez Linden: yes
* [16:03] Flip Idlemind: Results?
* [16:03] Marigold Devin: Oskar doeshave his fun
* [16:03] Oskar Linden: hey gez
* [16:03] Gez Linden: s'up home slice?
* [16:03] Gez Linden: ;)
* [16:03] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [16:04] Gez Linden: I heard you talking about xmpp via the grape vine
* [16:04] Oskar Linden: I was
* [16:04] Gez LindenGez: Linden bows.
* [16:04] Oskar Linden: gave a quick status on project vwrs and rollout ideas
* [16:04] Oskar Linden: what ahve you got for us
* [16:04] Log LindenLog: Linden looks somewhat viney
* [16:04] Oskar Linden: or for those lucky enough to still be here
* [16:04] Coyot Linden: xmPP
* [16:04] Gez Linden: atm, we've got a build that connects that we're running through QA. As I'm sure latif and tank mentioned, there are some fun bugs.
* [16:05] Gez Linden: we're trying to post a JIRA project in the next day or two
* [16:05] Gez Linden: we'll be pushing to have new builds each week to play with
* [16:05] Gez Linden: and you're welcome to build what is in public today
* [16:05] Oskar Linden: links?
* [16:05] Latif Khalifa: Gez is getting more QA feedback than he wants :P
* [16:05] Jonathan Yap: 
* [16:06] Gez Linden: <3 to jonathan
* [16:06] Flip Idlemind: Yeah it may just be a Phoenix thing but after my trip to Ahern, a lot of prims on my screen look a but "meshy"
* [16:06] Gez Linden: and not at all latif.
* [16:06] Gez Linden: loving the QA feedback
* [16:06] Latif Khalifa: hhahaha
* [16:06] Gez Linden: this is great
* [16:06] Gez Linden: with the exception that when I type something like >< in the xmpp viewer, I crash
* [16:06] Gez Linden: ;)
* [16:06] Latif Khalifa: ;)
* [16:06] Gez Linden: I'll be spinning up our usergroup next week, after we post the project viewer.
* [16:06] Latif Khalifa: or right click on participant name in the list
* [16:07] TankMaster Finesmith: flip, sounds like your experencing a known greefer bug explot. the default shape gets messed up . the explot has been foxed in v2 though
* [16:07] Gez Linden: very much in alpha, so we're looking for lots of feedback
* [16:07] Gez Linden: other than that... think you covered the juicy bits oskar
* [16:07] Oskar LindenOskar: Linden imagines code becoming more opaque the less alpha there is :-p
* [16:07] TankMaster Finesmith: so gez, youll have your own user group for a while?
* [16:07] Flip Idlemind: In that case someone's griefing Ahern
* [16:07] Gez Linden: aye, but we'll be attending this one, the open source one, and our own
* [16:07] TankMaster Finesmith: sounds good
* [16:08] TankMaster Finesmith: when will yours be?
* [16:08] Gez Linden: and any others that ya'll think I need to be listening in on.
* [16:08] Gez Linden: not scheduled yet tank. my schedule is somewhat nasty
* [16:08] TankMaster Finesmith: k
* [16:08] Gez Linden: but probably on thursday mornings.
* [16:08] TankMaster Finesmith: ok
* [16:09] Gez Linden: will let ya know
* [16:09] TankMaster Finesmith: great 
* [16:09] Coyot Linden: gotta bounce, see you all next week
* [16:09] Oskar Linden: thanks for stopping by gez
* [16:09] Gez Linden: surely
* [16:09] TankMaster Finesmith: tc cyote
* [16:09] Gez Linden: thanks for letting folks know about xmpp :)
* [16:09] Coyot Linden: Surely Linden?
* [16:09] Maestro Linden: bye guys
* [16:09] Gez Linden: stop calling me shirley coyot
* [16:09] Coyot Linden: BINGO!
* [16:09] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
* [16:09] Lares Carter: thanks for the time, lindens
* [16:10] Coyot Linden: yw
* [16:10] Gez Linden: ditto :)
* [16:10] Draconis Neurocam: good luck with the hackathon and thanks
* [16:10] Gooden Uggla: good meeting, thanks
* [16:10] RedMokum Bravin: ciao
* [16:10] Marigold Devin: Yes very informative
* [16:10] Latif Khalifa: take care you all
* [16:10] Oskar Linden: ok back to the hack-a-thon!!