Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2011-08-11

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on August 11th, 2011
== Agenda ==
* This week wasn't as painful as some of the other weeks lately.
=== Updates ===
* Crazy week again... the release notes might be slightly out of date. 
* Second Life Server (main channel)
* The maint-server from BlueSteel got the nod for promotion and went out on Tuesday.
** New Features
*** Enhancements for marketplace item delivery.
** Bug Fixes
*** Fix for "Granting/revoking perms broken for non-web-profile viewers"
*** Fix for "(Spanish) [DATE I18N] Date in English in Group profile > Terreno/Bienes > L$ del grupo > Detalles tab and Ventas tab"
*** Fix for "Postcards sent from LeTigre sims fail with error code also can not upload sound files on LeTigre"
*** Fix for "France Villas Sim, we have been having MAJOR issues on this sim since the last update on the Havok software..We presently have 4 open tickets on it and TJ linden said to file a bug report"
*** Changed logging for TIMEWARP issues.
*** Removed some unused IM code.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/11#11.08.02.237522
* BlueSteel RC Channel
* This is the "scripting maint-server" project. 
** New Features
*** Allow scripters to set a lower memory limit on mono scripts
***: integer llSetMemoryLimit(integer limit) Set the maximum memory a script can use to limit. 
*** Ability to set prim media on linked prims without sleeping the script.
***: integer llSetLinkMedia(integer link, integer side, list params) Equivalent to llSetPrimMediaParams called on link prim in the link set.
***: list llGetLinkMedia(integer link, integer side, list params) Equivalent to llGetPrimMediaParams called on link prim in the link set.
***: integer llClearLinkMedia(integer link, integer side) Equivalent to llClearPrimMedia called on link prim in the link set.
*** llSetLinkCamera
***: llSetLinkCamera(integer link, vector eye, vector at) Equivalent to calling both llSetCameraEyeOffset and llSetCameraAtOffset on link prim in the link set.
*** Allow HTML in llHTTPResponses to browsers embedded in viewers for content you own
***: llSetContentType(key request_id, integer content_type)
***:* CONTENT_TYPE_TEXT (default) "text/plain"
***:* CONTENT_TYPE_HTML "text/html", only valid for embedded browsers on content owned by the person viewing. Falls back to "text/plain" otherwise.
*** Extend llGetLocalPos function to llGet*PrimitiveParams under PRIM_POS_LOCAL
***: PRIM_POS_LOCAL Sets and gets the 'local' position via llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast and related.
*** llLinkSitTarget, llAvatarOnLinkSitTarget
***: llLinkSitTarget(integer link, vector offset, rotation rot) Equivalent to calling llSitTarget on link prim in the link set.
***: key llAvatarOnLinkSitTarget() Equivalent to calling llAvatarOnSitTarget on link prim in the link set.
*** Add llSetVelocity() and llSetAngularVelocity() functions to LSL
***: llSetVelocity(vector force, integer local)
***: llSetRotationalVelocity(vector force, integer local)
*** Add ability for llSetLinkPrimitiveParams* and llGetLinkPrimitiveParams functions to switch link targets
***: [PRIM_LINK_TARGET, integer link_num] Will cause subsequent parameters to effect link_num prim independent of original prim being effected. Compatible with all PrimParams functions.
** Bug Fixes
*** Fix for "Reliable message RevokePermissions does not revoke permissions on objects that have been granted PERMISSION_TRIGGER_ANIMATION" 
*** Fix for llDialog spamming that cripples the viewer.
*** Fix to make shift copying copy all prim properties.
*** Fix to prevent LSL scripts from using non-finite numbers in physical functions.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/11#11.08.08.237997
* LeTigre RC Channel
** This is running main trunk now because of "issues"
*** "Items are being auto returned from my parcel whenever anyone sits or clicks the item"
*** https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7176
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/11#11.08.02.237549
* Magnum RC Channel
** This is running the mesh server project.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/11#11.08.02.237549
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Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for August 11th, 2011:
* [2011/08/11 15:01] Jacky Scharf: Hi Oskar 
* [2011/08/11 15:01] Oskar Linden: hi everyone
* [2011/08/11 15:02] Fancy Greeter: Maestro Linden has arrived! (Or, returned?)
* [2011/08/11 15:02] Conover's Flight-Helper 6.3.3 (WEAR ME!): Flight-helper is ready and operational.
* [2011/08/11 15:02] DreamGirl224: *kicher*
* [2011/08/11 15:02] Rex Cronon: greetings everybody
* [2011/08/11 15:02] Eddi Decosta: hi latif :)
* [2011/08/11 15:02] Rex Cronon: hi oskar
* [2011/08/11 15:02] Latif Khalifa: hello :)
* [2011/08/11 15:03] Oskar Linden: how is everyone today?
* [2011/08/11 15:03] Marigold Devin: Marigold Devin waves hi to everyone from the back
* [2011/08/11 15:03] Rex Cronon: hi
* [2011/08/11 15:03] Homeless: good and you?
* [2011/08/11 15:03] Lares Carter: doing okay
* [2011/08/11 15:03] Oskar Linden: it's been a rough week
* [2011/08/11 15:03] Jacky Scharf: It's a bad day, but it's ok.
* [2011/08/11 15:03] Oskar Linden: but we're hangin' in there
* [2011/08/11 15:03] Eddi Decosta: hi its a shark meeting? :)
* [2011/08/11 15:03] Rex Cronon: we waiting for news from u oskar:)
* [2011/08/11 15:04] Oskar Linden: news huh?
* [2011/08/11 15:04] Oskar Linden: what kind of news do you want?
* [2011/08/11 15:04] Liisa Runo: what was the rollback?
* [2011/08/11 15:04] Oskar Linden: weeeeeeeeeell first things first
* [2011/08/11 15:04] Rex Cronon: that is why they r callded news. u r the one that has them:)
* [2011/08/11 15:05] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours/
* [2011/08/11 15:05] Oskar Linden: oops
* [2011/08/11 15:05] Kadah Coba: Try again
* [2011/08/11 15:05] Acheron Gloom: remove the / ;p
* [2011/08/11 15:05] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours
* [2011/08/11 15:05] Acheron Gloom: at the end
* [2011/08/11 15:05] Oskar Linden: my bad
* [2011/08/11 15:05] Oskar Linden: so...
* [2011/08/11 15:05] Oskar Linden: things started off ok
* [2011/08/11 15:06] Oskar Linden: oh I just realized some of my links in there are wrong
* [2011/08/11 15:06] Oskar Linden: when things start to get a bit hairy I don't have time to update the release notes to catch up
* [2011/08/11 15:07] Oskar Linden: all the good fixes from BlueSteel made it to the main channel
* [2011/08/11 15:07] Oskar Linden: we even started doing pre-merges last week
* [2011/08/11 15:07] Oskar Linden: which is a first for us
* [2011/08/11 15:07] Oskar Linden: in an attempt to make Tuesdays easier on QA
* [2011/08/11 15:08] Oskar Linden: after the main channel deploy tuesday morning we had a host of merge issues with the two new rc's
* [2011/08/11 15:08] Oskar Linden: maestro has details
* [2011/08/11 15:08] Oskar Linden: it had to do with the apache fixes from the week before
* [2011/08/11 15:08] Oskar Linden: some files had wrong chmod perms
* [2011/08/11 15:09] Oskar Linden: caused headaches that took most of Tuesday to fix
* [2011/08/11 15:09] Pauline Darkfury: Is that why there was a double-roll with BlueSteel this week?
* [2011/08/11 15:09] Oskar Linden: nope
* [2011/08/11 15:09] Oskar Linden: getting there :-)
* [2011/08/11 15:09] Oskar Linden: we postponed the Magnum roll to get some more fixes in
* [2011/08/11 15:10] Oskar Linden: last night I noticed SVC-7176
* [2011/08/11 15:10] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7176] Items are being auto returned from my parcel whenever anyone sits or clicks the item https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7176
* [2011/08/11 15:10] Oskar Linden: actually it was Moon Metty who brought it to my attention
* [2011/08/11 15:11] Oskar Linden: I asked Maestro to look into it and then I had to head out
* [2011/08/11 15:11] Oskar Linden: what happened after that Maestro?
* [2011/08/11 15:11] Oskar Linden: I can never tell if maestro is typing or not
* [2011/08/11 15:11] Maestro Linden: well, we repro'ed it
* [2011/08/11 15:11] Oskar Linden: heh
* [2011/08/11 15:11] Maestro Linden: basically, the issue was,
* [2011/08/11 15:12] Maestro Linden: if you had objects in a parcel which wouldn't be allowed to enter the parcel by the 'object entry' rules
* [2011/08/11 15:12] Maestro Linden: if an avatar sat on the object and then stood up, the object would be returned to owner after a few seconds, as though it had just entered the parcel
* [2011/08/11 15:12] Kadah Coba: Eep
* [2011/08/11 15:13] Oskar Linden: that's pretty bad
* [2011/08/11 15:13] Pauline Darkfury: Mmm, that's what I guessed the issue was, nasty!
* [2011/08/11 15:13] Latif Khalifa: Andrew mentioned some changes to object return system to return the most recent object and objects that fill the parcel due to PE, is this related to that change?
* [2011/08/11 15:13] Rex Cronon: sorry. but i don't see the problem with that
* [2011/08/11 15:13] Maestro Linden: so that was letigre's rollback cause
* [2011/08/11 15:13] Acheron Gloom: Its seperate Latif
* [2011/08/11 15:13] Oskar Linden: it wasn't PE related. it was in a different branch
* [2011/08/11 15:13] Acheron Gloom: as far as I know.
* [2011/08/11 15:13] Maestro Linden: no, that was Magnum/mesh, Latif
* [2011/08/11 15:14] Latif Khalifa: ah ok
* [2011/08/11 15:14] Pauline Darkfury: Andrew's fix to sudden-bloat return is probably not live yet, I'd guess?
* [2011/08/11 15:14] Maestro Linden: oh, and Bluesteel had 2 bugs as well
* [2011/08/11 15:14] Oskar Linden: not sure if it got in Pauline
* [2011/08/11 15:14] Oskar Linden: it's tricky tracking so many changes
* [2011/08/11 15:14] Oskar Linden: I get confused :-(
* [2011/08/11 15:15] Maestro Linden: bluesteel had svc-7174 and svc-7175
* [2011/08/11 15:15] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7174] llTargetOmega() is not working on Second Life RC BlueSteel 11.08.09.238148 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7175
* [2011/08/11 15:15] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7175] llResetOtherScript("New Script") sometimes does not reset the script "NewScript" until it receives another event https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7175
* [2011/08/11 15:15] Pauline Darkfury: I'm just happy it's in the pipeline, as long as it doesn't sit in the queue past mesh going grid-wide
* [2011/08/11 15:15] Maestro Linden: both of those were fixed in a roll-forward this morning
* [2011/08/11 15:15] Maestro Linden: we were planning to maybe do a roll-forward for hte object return bug in letigre as well, but the fix attempt last night introduced other issues
* [2011/08/11 15:16] Maestro Linden: so it was rolled back instead
* [2011/08/11 15:16] Homeless: amazing how fixes always break things
* [2011/08/11 15:16] Kelly Linden: I'm interested in feedback on script and sim performance on the BlueSteel channel.
* [2011/08/11 15:17] Oskar Linden: anyone checked BlueSteel out yet?
* [2011/08/11 15:17] Acheron Gloom: I have a bit.
* [2011/08/11 15:17] Oskar Linden: can kelly retire now?
* [2011/08/11 15:17] Pauline Darkfury: Have only had time to check my BlueSteels seem to be running ok, no detailed look at script perf yet
* [2011/08/11 15:18] Acheron Gloom: Nothing to report yet, though I have to test some things that were broken before on the beta grid... Not worth mentioning until I test though.
* [2011/08/11 15:18] Fancy Greeter: Coyot Linden has arrived! (Or, returned?)
* [2011/08/11 15:18] Liisa Runo: retire? are you joking?
* [2011/08/11 15:18] Oskar Linden: unless we hear otherwise BlueSteel will probably get the nod for promotion next week
* [2011/08/11 15:18] Oskar Linden: I am joking
* [2011/08/11 15:18] Oskar Linden: yes
* [2011/08/11 15:19] Coyot Linden: hi
* [2011/08/11 15:19] Oskar Linden: well anyone with interest in scripting performance check out BlueSteel this weekend
* [2011/08/11 15:19] Coyot Linden: sorry to be late
* [2011/08/11 15:19] Liisa Runo: i played with the new LSL stuff in bluesteel, some usefull stuff there and all seemed to work good. 
* [2011/08/11 15:19] Rex Cronon: hi
* [2011/08/11 15:19] Eddi Decosta: hi Coyot
* [2011/08/11 15:19] Lares Carter: heya Coyot
* [2011/08/11 15:19] Acheron Gloom: The only thing I was curious about for the script maint project specifically was possibly having a way to get the current script-time of an obejct isntead of the 30 minute average
* [2011/08/11 15:19] Jacky Scharf: Hello Coyot.
* [2011/08/11 15:20] Acheron Gloom: But that'd be better for the scripting office hours themselves, It hink
* [2011/08/11 15:20] Kelly Linden: In short we track 1 script time number for all scripts. That number right now is 30min avg.
* [2011/08/11 15:20] Kelly Linden: We could change what that 1 number we track is, but tracking more additional data points would be problematic.
* [2011/08/11 15:21] Acheron Gloom: Even if it wasn't saved, it was just that current frame or something?
* [2011/08/11 15:21] Kelly Linden: We just don't track that.
* [2011/08/11 15:21] Kelly Linden: we accumulate it all in the stat we do track.
* [2011/08/11 15:21] Acheron Gloom: Acheron Gloom nods
* [2011/08/11 15:21] Pauline Darkfury: The more I think about it, the more I think it should really be a 60s average, tbh
* [2011/08/11 15:21] Acheron Gloom: What about a way to get the number of frames elapsed? Unless I'm wrong we could do some math to grab different time intervals, as long as we had that number.
* [2011/08/11 15:22] Pauline Darkfury: 30m is useful for some purposes, but it does mask short term heavy load
* [2011/08/11 15:22] Acheron Gloom: And maybe it'd be useful for other things, I don't know. It might be too specific for its own function...
* [2011/08/11 15:22] Kelly Linden: I'm definitely open to a shorter cycle, it is easy to change. I think 60s is too short, but 5 or 10min might be a reasonable compromise.
* [2011/08/11 15:22] Kadah Coba: I've been noticing (at least on main channel) that when there is low or no spare time, scripts sleep for up to several seconds every few seconds.
* [2011/08/11 15:22] JS Streamwechsler: whispers: Paskis' Radio TV - Initialised
* [2011/08/11 15:22] JS Streamwechsler: whispers: Warning, it appears that the land here is owned by someone else, or group owned. You will need to use the subwoofer, deeded to a group, to use the Radio TV on group land.
* [2011/08/11 15:22] JS Streamwechsler: whispers: Paskis' Radio TV - Ready!
* [2011/08/11 15:22] Kelly Linden: that is probably better on BlueSteel evil, but not gone.
* [2011/08/11 15:23] Kadah Coba: And timer events were having only a minimum tick of half a second too.
* [2011/08/11 15:24] Kelly Linden: how many active scripts?
* [2011/08/11 15:24] Kadah Coba: Script time and active scripts in the region was very low
* [2011/08/11 15:24] Kadah Coba: Under 4k scripts I think
* [2011/08/11 15:24] Kelly Linden: homestead?
* [2011/08/11 15:24] Kadah Coba: Full main land region
* [2011/08/11 15:25] Kelly Linden: region name?
* [2011/08/11 15:25] Kadah Coba: Smithers Bluff
* [2011/08/11 15:25] Kadah Coba: This was about a week or so ago
* [2011/08/11 15:25] Kadah Coba: I thought it was very odd
* [2011/08/11 15:25] Kelly Linden: coulda been non-script lag
* [2011/08/11 15:25] Kadah Coba: There's not much in the region
* [2011/08/11 15:26] Kadah Coba: And it was doing it over a couple days
* [2011/08/11 15:26] Pauline Darkfury: yeah, it's not a particularly heavily loaded region
* [2011/08/11 15:26] Oskar Linden: TIMEWARP?
* [2011/08/11 15:26] Kadah Coba: It was even lower at the time, that was before Pauline had any renters in the sim
* [2011/08/11 15:27] Kelly Linden: That would be my next guess. Impossible to diagnose a couple weeks after the fact though.
* [2011/08/11 15:27] Pauline Darkfury: it's just a jump to the left :p
* [2011/08/11 15:27] Kadah Coba: True, Kelly
* [2011/08/11 15:28] Oskar Linden: Kadah be sure to call kelly earlier with performance issues
* [2011/08/11 15:28] Pauline Darkfury: Looking at Smithers Bluff with Moon's dilation graph, it generally seems good. It has the standard Class 7 very low number of scripts to hit 100% thing, but appears to perform well
* [2011/08/11 15:28] Kelly Linden: yeah my pager number is: <insert oskar's cell number here>
* [2011/08/11 15:29] Kadah Coba: I didnt think it was an issue at time time, I figured it was just the new way things were time sliced, or whatever
* [2011/08/11 15:29] Kelly Linden: The number of scripts to hit 100% should be improved in bluesteel.
* [2011/08/11 15:29] Oskar Linden: you guys can call me on the weekend. I'm cool with that
* [2011/08/11 15:29] Oskar Linden: bring beer
* [2011/08/11 15:29] Oskar Linden: meet at my place
* [2011/08/11 15:29] Pauline Darkfury: Given the timescale, that might have been before Kelly's latest main channel perf fix
* [2011/08/11 15:29] Latif Khalifa: Pauline, those dilation graphs are of less use now that scripts are more decoupled and don't freeze sims
* [2011/08/11 15:30] Marigold Devin: cool
* [2011/08/11 15:30] Pauline Darkfury: Yup, but they do show odd pauses nicely, and the latest shows the timeslice/overload factor
* [2011/08/11 15:30] Kadah Coba: The scripts were running pretty fast, they were just sleeping a lot and timer events would fire faster than half a sec
* [2011/08/11 15:30] Kadah Coba: woudlnt*
* [2011/08/11 15:31] Pauline Darkfury: mmm, timers limited to 0.5s is odd, and hopefully easy to test/monitor
* [2011/08/11 15:32] Kelly Linden: I've been toying with the responsiveness of timer events a little today
* [2011/08/11 15:33] Kelly Linden: How much of the beta meeting should we take up with script talk Oskar?
* [2011/08/11 15:33] Coyot Linden: t < 0
* [2011/08/11 15:33] Coyot Linden: :P
* [2011/08/11 15:34] Oskar Linden: as much as people want
* [2011/08/11 15:34] Maestro Linden: .. so, is anybody here going to SLCC?
* [2011/08/11 15:34] Oskar Linden: if people want to talk scripts they can talk scripts
* [2011/08/11 15:34] Oskar Linden: or SLCC
* [2011/08/11 15:34] Motor Loon: (Oskars s o good to us)
* [2011/08/11 15:34] Oskar Linden: maestro wants drinks bought for him
* [2011/08/11 15:34] Coyot Linden: him == maestro or him == oskar?
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Maestro Linden: Maestro Linden couldn't care less if Oskar gets drinks =P
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Oskar Linden: if you get maestro drunk enough he might start talking like this "So this one time with Oskar..."
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Marigold Devin: oooooooooo
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Oskar Linden: him == maestro
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Kadah Coba: Kadah Coba can't make SLCC this year :(
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Marigold Devin: and that's how rumors start
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Oskar Linden: I suggest that anyone going to SLCC attempt to get maestro drunk
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Oskar Linden: that's your homework
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Coyot Linden: lol
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Pauline Darkfury: lol
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Marigold Devin: Well, it'd be nice if someone'd upload some photos after the event somewhere public for those of us who can't make it
* [2011/08/11 15:35] Oskar Linden: so who all is going to SLCC?
* [2011/08/11 15:36] Kadah Coba: Why? Does he turn in to a pengin or something when drunk?
* [2011/08/11 15:36] Pauline Darkfury: Not me, too far away
* [2011/08/11 15:36] Coyot Linden: Warning. The Maestro on top of your television is about to explode.
* [2011/08/11 15:36] Jacky Scharf: SLCC?
* [2011/08/11 15:36] Kadah Coba: I was trying to but registration issues and costing too much prevented me.
* [2011/08/11 15:36] Oskar Linden: Second Life Comingling Convention
* [2011/08/11 15:37] Motor Loon: Motor Loon giggles
* [2011/08/11 15:37] Rex Cronon: each year takes place
* [2011/08/11 15:37] Jacky Scharf: If it's in Germany I'll go to it. 
* [2011/08/11 15:37] Marigold Devin: FranSansisco
* [2011/08/11 15:37] Jacky Scharf: >.<
* [2011/08/11 15:37] Rex Cronon: http://www.slconvention.org/
* [2011/08/11 15:37] Kadah Coba: It will only be in sanfran or boston, alternatingly
* [2011/08/11 15:37] Draconis Neurocam: its in compton
* [2011/08/11 15:37] Oskar Linden: it's harder to do internationally
* [2011/08/11 15:37] Latif Khalifa: Yeah, too far and compliated for me too (visa's, tsa, etc etc)
* [2011/08/11 15:38] Oskar Linden: I was hoping to go but had RL stuff get in the way
* [2011/08/11 15:38] Kadah Coba: The group that took over fixed it to 2 different venues and jacked up the registration price
* [2011/08/11 15:38] Marigold Devin: Maybe when teleportation is possible in RL
* [2011/08/11 15:38] Motor Loon: I'd go if I could afford the damn planeticket
* [2011/08/11 15:38] Rex Cronon: there will be some sims dedicated to it
* [2011/08/11 15:38] Pauline Darkfury: Should be able to do the I-94W visa-waiver for it? But costs/distance/time/etc
* [2011/08/11 15:38] Oskar Linden: it's an investment for sure
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Pauline Darkfury: And you do have to put up with being groped by the TSA
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Kadah Coba: $300
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Pauline Darkfury: :(
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Kadah Coba: Plus hotel and travel
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Kadah Coba: And tax
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Oskar Linden: after you get to the convention the gropings are entirely voluntary
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Rex Cronon: +plane ticket
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Marigold Devin: Marigold Devin slaps Oskar (but I don't know why o.O)
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Oskar Linden: so....
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Manshy Moonstone: 'M 
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Manshy Moonstone: i have to i have my horse there
* [2011/08/11 15:39] Oskar Linden: we had a Linden U class today
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Manshy Moonstone: . - " " " " " " - . 
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Manshy Moonstone: . ' '. 
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Manshy Moonstone: / O O \ 
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Manshy Moonstone: : ` : 
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Manshy Moonstone: : . - - - - - - . : 
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Manshy Moonstone: \ ' ' / 
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Manshy Moonstone: ' . . ' 
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Manshy Moonstone: ' - . . . . . . - '
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Manshy Moonstone: they will die
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Oskar Linden: Coyot taught the class
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Coyot Linden: Coyot Linden once sang the National Anthem
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Oskar Linden: Coyot would you like to tell us about the Linden U that you led
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Coyot Linden: while being frisked by the TSA
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Coyot Linden: SURE
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Coyot Linden: The Linden U was on how we release server and other core functionality
* [2011/08/11 15:40] Coyot Linden: It explained the RC process you all know and love
* [2011/08/11 15:41] Coyot Linden: as well as how internal nodes like login servers
* [2011/08/11 15:41] Coyot Linden: get deployed
* [2011/08/11 15:41] Pauline Darkfury: So, Hamster Care & Feeding 101 ;)
* [2011/08/11 15:41] Oskar Linden: more or less
* [2011/08/11 15:41] Coyot Linden: as well as database upgrades
* [2011/08/11 15:41] Coyot Linden: That's pretty much it
* [2011/08/11 15:42] Kadah Coba: Database upgrades = adding more hamster tubes
* [2011/08/11 15:42] Oskar Linden: it was a good class
* [2011/08/11 15:42] Coyot Linden: heh
* [2011/08/11 15:42] Coyot Linden: thanks, oskar
* [2011/08/11 15:42] Oskar Linden: we're trying to take some of the strain out of our schedule
* [2011/08/11 15:42] Oskar Linden: the hours between merge and release are too few to get in adequate QA
* [2011/08/11 15:43] Coyot Linden: BRB
* [2011/08/11 15:43] Oskar Linden: speaking of adequate QA, I will be on vacation next week!
* [2011/08/11 15:43] Oskar Linden: all of it
* [2011/08/11 15:43] Marigold Devin: noooooooo
* [2011/08/11 15:43] Oskar Linden: every single day
* [2011/08/11 15:43] Kadah Coba: Lucky
* [2011/08/11 15:43] Oskar Linden: and I won't be checking my email
* [2011/08/11 15:43] Rex Cronon: have fun
* [2011/08/11 15:44] Latif Khalifa: Isn't the team that is developing a branch constantly merging from "trunk" ie. whatever is in production?
* [2011/08/11 15:44] Fancy Greeter: Maestro Linden has arrived! (Or, returned?)
* [2011/08/11 15:44] Oskar Linden: we are post-ponying next weeks UserGroup meeting
* [2011/08/11 15:44] Oskar Linden: yes Latif
* [2011/08/11 15:44] Manshy Moonstone: eny one from the support can help me ?
* [2011/08/11 15:44] Oskar Linden: but trunk changes every Monday
* [2011/08/11 15:44] Oskar Linden: Manshy this is not a support group meeting
* [2011/08/11 15:44] Oskar Linden: I directed you to the website
* [2011/08/11 15:45] Oskar Linden: we can't help you here
* [2011/08/11 15:45] Oskar Linden: I'm sorry
* [2011/08/11 15:45] Pauline Darkfury: https://support.secondlife.com/
* [2011/08/11 15:45] Manshy Moonstone: OOOOOKEY DOOOOOKEY
* [2011/08/11 15:45] Latif Khalifa: ah so got only couple of days to test RC after they merge in trunk, i see
* [2011/08/11 15:45] Manshy Moonstone: .,i|ii|i,. • THANK YOU • .,i|ii|i,.
* [2011/08/11 15:45] Manshy Moonstone: `'li||il'` `'li||il'
* [2011/08/11 15:45] Oskar Linden: right Latif
* [2011/08/11 15:45] Oskar Linden: and there are almost always some new issues with the merge
* [2011/08/11 15:46] Oskar Linden: so trying to get the merges done earlier gives more time to find the issues
* [2011/08/11 15:46] Oskar Linden: so next Thursday you can all take a break
* [2011/08/11 15:46] Oskar Linden: no usergroup meeting
* [2011/08/11 15:46] Oskar Linden: I'll update the wiki
* [2011/08/11 15:47] Jacky Scharf: Is it better to roll out new RCs and trunks every 2 weeks? So you've got more time to find and fix issues. And you've got the same tome to develop new features und bugs.
* [2011/08/11 15:47] Oskar Linden: coyot is out next week too :-)
* [2011/08/11 15:47] Jacky Scharf: -tome +time
* [2011/08/11 15:47] Oskar Linden: hard to say jacky
* [2011/08/11 15:47] Oskar Linden: but it's a thought
* [2011/08/11 15:47] Pauline Darkfury: weekly restarts are actually good for overall grid performance, I think
* [2011/08/11 15:48] Marigold Devin: take a break? or break stuff?
* [2011/08/11 15:48] Motor Loon: hehe in my experience, sims need more than weekly restart to stay healthy
* [2011/08/11 15:49] Jacky Scharf: Pauline: Scheduled weekly restarts without any rollout after 1 week, that's all. ;-)
* [2011/08/11 15:49] Flip Idlemind: So is there still an issue with the change your password, get your account updated thingy
* [2011/08/11 15:49] Pauline Darkfury: Heavily loaded sims do sometimes need 2 or 3 restarts a week, but weekly is generally sufficient for light/medium load
* [2011/08/11 15:49] Oskar Linden: I haven't had time to look into it again Flip[
* [2011/08/11 15:49] Homeless: Quick question, I can't upload meshes to ADITI. I'm using an older account with payment info and passed the quiz. But I get the warning message that I can't upload. Why is this?
* [2011/08/11 15:49] Oskar Linden: and I think Coyot has been too busy as well
* [2011/08/11 15:49] Oskar Linden: I don't know homeless
* [2011/08/11 15:50] Oskar Linden: ok we've got 10 minutes left
* [2011/08/11 15:50] Homeless: I didn't get the message on AGNI
* [2011/08/11 15:50] Rex Cronon: maybe u r in the wrong sim?
* [2011/08/11 15:50] Oskar Linden: maestro anything upcoming you want to talk about?
* [2011/08/11 15:50] Homeless: it was a mesh sandbox, the option to upload model was available
* [2011/08/11 15:50] Jacky Scharf: New Feature: Preventing Mesh?
* [2011/08/11 15:51] Jacky Scharf: .
* [2011/08/11 15:51] Kadah Coba: Maestro, re svc-7060, I was trying to test it but the change you made was for attachments correct?
* [2011/08/11 15:51] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7060] Reliable message RevokePermissions does not revoke permissions on objects that have been granted PERMISSION_TRIGGER_ANIMATION https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7060
* [2011/08/11 15:51] Maestro Linden: nah i don't have anything in particular
* [2011/08/11 15:51] Acheron Gloom: What do you mean preventing mesh?
* [2011/08/11 15:51] Oskar Linden: a joke I think
* [2011/08/11 15:51] Acheron Gloom: Oh.
* [2011/08/11 15:51] Acheron Gloom: :(
* [2011/08/11 15:51] Acheron Gloom: My humor is broken apparently, I see the joke now.
* [2011/08/11 15:51] Maestro Linden: I think the change should only apply to the root prims of attachments, kadah
* [2011/08/11 15:52] Maestro Linden: but HUDs are attachemnts too
* [2011/08/11 15:52] Flip Idlemind: Wait so you still can't revoke permissions from deformers that you sat on?
* [2011/08/11 15:52] Jacky Scharf: Yus, it was a joke. ;-)
* [2011/08/11 15:53] Kadah Coba: Ah ok, I thought so. I'll need to make some changes on the viewer to test that. Revoking from rez'd objects is working fine though.
* [2011/08/11 15:53] Maestro Linden: from andrew's earlier comment: "If you call it on a child-prim of an attachment, or on any prim of an unattached object then it should work."
* [2011/08/11 15:53] Kadah Coba: Yes flip as long as its still rezed and you have the UUID
* [2011/08/11 15:53] Maestro Linden: so I guess that means seats as well
* [2011/08/11 15:54] Kadah Coba: Phoenix and Firestorm are able to revoke those (optionally) on sit, stand and both.
* [2011/08/11 15:54] Kadah Coba: Doing it for attachments that acquire your perms is the problem.
* [2011/08/11 15:55] Kadah Coba: AFAIK, you cannot get the UUID of someone else's attachments
* [2011/08/11 15:55] Kadah Coba: HUD attachments*
* [2011/08/11 15:55] Jacky Scharf: You can't, because you can't see them.
* [2011/08/11 15:55] Rex Cronon: so sombody can wear a deformer that has your anim perms and mess with u?
* [2011/08/11 15:55] Pauline Darkfury: You can manually grab the UUID of visible attachments, I think, but not HUDs
* [2011/08/11 15:56] Kadah Coba: Sit on the cube, I can demonstrate >_>
* [2011/08/11 15:56] Rex Cronon: lol. don't click on anything. i might be unsafe:)
* [2011/08/11 15:57] Rex Cronon: it might*
* [2011/08/11 15:57] Maestro Linden: You should probably talk to Andrew if there are still problems with certain objects after the SVC-7060 fix, Kadah
* [2011/08/11 15:57] Oskar Linden: does andrew still have his friday afternoon office hour?
* [2011/08/11 15:57] Maestro Linden: yep
* [2011/08/11 15:57] Kadah Coba: Kadah Coba has flips anim perms apparently
* [2011/08/11 15:58] Rex Cronon: that think too talkative can't u use textabove?
* [2011/08/11 15:58] Rex Cronon: that thing*
* [2011/08/11 15:58] Pauline Darkfury: It's more useful to do stuff like that in chat, Rex, gives history, etc. At least for diagnostic tools
* [2011/08/11 15:59] Kelly Linden: llOwnerSay is your friend, and ours.
* [2011/08/11 15:59] Rex Cronon: sure. especially if u use ownersay:)
* [2011/08/11 15:59] Draconis Neurocam: or regionsayto
* [2011/08/11 15:59] Pauline Darkfury: Well, yeah, OwnerSay can be useful ;)
* [2011/08/11 15:59] Kadah Coba: Maestro, the only issue I think thats left on svc-7060 is the one from VWR-13228
* [2011/08/11 15:59] Flame of Jira: [#VWR-13228] Object can obtain and retain permissions indefinitely without avatar's knowledge and no way of knowing who took it - possible security issue https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13228
* [2011/08/11 16:00] Maestro Linden: oh, and that issue is difficult
* [2011/08/11 16:00] Kadah Coba: Yeah
* [2011/08/11 16:00] Pauline Darkfury: Yeah, that's a long standing issue that would be rather nice to fix eventually, but understand it's far from easy
* [2011/08/11 16:00] Kadah Coba: Why cant all perms be cleared on take?
* [2011/08/11 16:00] Maestro Linden: because there's a lot of legitemate content that relies on retaining permissions
* [2011/08/11 16:00] Rex Cronon: i think u might be able to find who animates u:)
* [2011/08/11 16:01] Pauline Darkfury: Biggest issue with it that I see is that you can't actually audit debit perms
* [2011/08/11 16:01] Kadah Coba: The issues is with take in to inv
* [2011/08/11 16:01] Latif Khalifa: Yes, *a lot* of content that uses it legit, and very few actual problems
* [2011/08/11 16:01] Oskar Linden: well we have now hit 4 o'clock :-)
* [2011/08/11 16:01] Kadah Coba: The viewer is able (with new code) to revoke on stand, as long as the object is still rezed
* [2011/08/11 16:01] Marigold Devin: supper time :-))
* [2011/08/11 16:01] Oskar Linden: you are all welcome to keep chatting but this linden needs to go get some coffee and sun
* [2011/08/11 16:01] Jacky Scharf: Jacky Scharf .oO( Regarding to SLCC 2011: Is it possible to see one or more Linden at the "Rezzdays 2012" from June 1st to 3rd in Berlin, Germany? ) .
* [2011/08/11 16:01] Oskar Linden: and MGD needs her din din
* [2011/08/11 16:01] Fancy Greeter: Simon Linden has arrived! (Or, returned?)
* [2011/08/11 16:01] Rex Cronon: tc oskar
* [2011/08/11 16:02] Marigold Devin: Thanks for the time and info. Been good
* [2011/08/11 16:02] Pauline Darkfury: perms should be auto-revoked if it's no longer rezzed?
* [2011/08/11 16:02] Jacky Scharf: Hello Simon and thanx and tc Oskar 
* [2011/08/11 16:02] Lares Carter: thanks for the meeting
* [2011/08/11 16:02] Pauline Darkfury: Thanks, Lindens :)
* [2011/08/11 16:02] Latif Khalifa: thanks :)
* [2011/08/11 16:02] Oskar Linden: have a good one. remember no meeting next week!