Adult Content User Group/07/25/2011

==Attendees List==
*Chantall Congrejo (chantall.congrejo)
*Couldbe (couldbe)
*Dancer Greenfield (dancer.greenfield)
*Evelynn Kidd (evelynn.kidd)
*Ginette Pinazzo (ginette.pinazzo)
*Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
*Hypatia Meili (hypatia.meili)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Kim Rongyu (kim.rongyu)
*Lara Boyle (lara.boyle)
*Nal (nal)
*Qie (qie)
*Ramona Criss (ramona.criss)
*Rogue Vondran (rogue.vondran)
*Silvanus (silvanus)
*SilvanusSilvanus translates (silvanussilvanus.translates)
*Silversurfer (silversurfer)
*Slarus Rajal-Palen (slarus.rajal-palen)
*Slaton Linden (slaton.linden)
*Vick Forcella (vick.forcella)
==Transcript for Monday July 25, 2011==
[11:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slarus...you are the only one admitted toi being new here so ytou must do the chat log...hahah (joke)
[11:05]	Innula Zenovka 	its a joke
[11:05]	Silvanus 	Silvanus translates: good morning noob ; )
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[11:05]	Slaton Linden 	hello everyone. sorry I'm late.
[11:05]	Innula Zenovka 	that's what people say when folks complain their avatars have gone strange colours
[11:05]	Slarus Rajal-Palen	*The number you have reached...Slarus, is a bot please make note of it *giggles*
[11:05]	Silvanus 	Hi Slaton, its monday ; )
[11:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	hello Slaton
[11:05]	Innula Zenovka 	Hi, Slaton
[11:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	better late than never
[11:05]	Lara Boyle 	Hi there Slaton... good to meet you!
[11:06]	Rogue Vondran 	Hi Slaton
[11:06]	Silversurfer 	it is more me still in shock after the terror attack in my country on Friday
[11:06]	Hypatia Meili 	Hi Slaton
[11:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we have one or 2 new faces this tierm Slaton
[11:06]	Silvanus 	thats horrible Counter, I am sorry for your contry
[11:06]	Silversurfer 	it has been ... testing for the nation that's for sure.
[11:07]	Rogue Vondran 	Im so sorry to hear Counter, thoughts and prayers to you and your country
[11:07]	Kim Rongyu 	must have been, appaling thing to happen
[11:07]	Slaton Linden 	hello. any specific agenda items for today? Unfortunately I'm still awaiting an answer regarding vortex and zindra in general
[11:07]	Nal 	I empathize with you Silver. For a small country that is horrible.
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili 	yeah :)
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we have an agedna Slaton....arent we still using it?
[11:07]	Silversurfer 	horrible for any country
[11:07]	Ramona Criss 	Hello ALL nice to see you here :)
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_User_Group
[11:08]	Innula Zenovka 	I sent Viale a question about getting the status of the Adult Content FAQ onto the agenda, Slaton.. i don't know if you've seen it?
[11:08]	Slaton Linden 	yes, Ginette we're still using it. I just didn't get any email to add to it
[11:08]	Innula Zenovka 	oh. well, i emailed viale.. clearly he didn't forward it to you
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	arent peoepl also supposed to add agenda items to the list on their own? or is that 'in addition'
[11:09]	Slaton Linden 	Innula, yes, but didn't have time to review.
[11:09]	Innula Zenovka 	so he did forward it?
[11:09]	Silversurfer 	I think we are kindoff awaiting word on the many proposals we have submitted Slaton
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	first itsm on agenda is welcoming committee...haha
[11:10]	Slaton Linden 	Innula, yes, and we're addressing it
[11:10]	Slaton Linden 	OK, unless anyone else wants to start, Ginette would you like to kick things off?
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo 	sure....my item is simply abt the meeti8ngs themselves.......
[11:11]	Slaton Linden 	OK
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	longh ahead, we had NO meeting process....things were circualr horur long conversations.......
[11:11]	Evelynn Kidd 	hop up on the counter, Slaton, so we can see you
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	then we agreed upon and adopted an agenda system , chairperson, etc.....
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we had a real system...things got done....
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	it was professional...
[11:11]	Lara Boyle 	you want to sit here Slaton?
[11:11]	Lara Boyle 	opps... sorry!
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I want toi suggest, Slatoin, we move abck to that professional, organized system.......so we can get thiungs doen PLUS attarct more peopel to a stable situation
[11:12]	Silvanus 	agree
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	hour loong circuylar convos are not exactly what soem peoepl want to set aside tiem for duringa busy week
[11:12]	Slaton Linden 	yes, a specific agreed upon format would be helpful
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I posted links on the agenda to soem material regarding the meeting format originally, plus sugegstions for improving as time goes on
[11:13]	Innula Zenovka 	i think we've been getting far more done in recent weeks, with Viale and Slaton than we've done for ages, myself
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo 	not sure where you get that impression Innula
[11:13]	Silversurfer 	agreed Innula
[11:13]	Silversurfer 	please proceed as headed Slaton
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo 	private emails are fine....but nothing helpls more than tarnsparency...and published material
[11:13]	Silvanus 	transparency ^^
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we cannot have any sense of progress unless its public as well....and gheld professionally
[11:14]	Slarus Rajal-Palen	Slarus Rajal-Palen nods
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[11:14]	Slaton Linden 	Ginette, do you want to discuss proposed meeting format?
[11:14]	Silversurfer 	what do you find unprofessional Ginette?
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	and bottom line: we need to attract new talent ....anyone who sees noi agenda will flee
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	no agenda = unprofessional
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	all material for discussion at these meetings shoudl also be available ina published public format
[11:15]	Huntress Catteneo 	I know I would like opportunity to see things submitted that we are meant to discuss beforehand
[11:15]	Silvanus 	or lets speak positive, let us do it more professional ; )
[11:15]	Ginette Pinazzo 	in advance so peoepl can study and plan
[11:15]	Silversurfer 	yes, but there are meetings going on parallell
[11:15]	Silversurfer 	and you are part of a parallell hidden process
[11:15]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton, the proposla is exactly the original proposal.......a Chair.....an Agenda whith apublished proposals....just like we were doing
[11:15]	Silversurfer 	so where is your professionalis?
[11:16]	Silvanus 	that has reasons and is necessary to be able tho huge amount of ideas and input, counter
[11:16]	Ginette Pinazzo 	priavet meetings and emails are fine IF also complimented by public and tarsnparent materail..it is the content and process of THESE meetings Im talking abt
[11:16]	Silversurfer 	right
[11:16]	Silversurfer 	particulalry when Ginette comes out of those meetings telling things are a done deal?
[11:16]	Silvanus 	you can use Open Space as a techniqaue Counter, but at the end you need a hirachrie again
[11:17]	Silvanus 	even when you brainstorm, counter
[11:17]	Ginette Pinazzo 	does the majority of peoepl here vagree we shoudl work our way back to the previous agenda-0driven format?
[11:17]	Slaton Linden 	OK, Ginette, then what are you propsing? Yes, some issues/ topics must be handled outside of these meetings
[11:17]	Silversurfer 	I say let LL set the agenda
[11:17]	Kim Rongyu 	I cfertainly do Gina
[11:17]	Lara Boyle 	<--new here... so I'm listening *grins*
[11:17]	Silversurfer 	this meeting is getting bigger than Zindra and we dont wnat to be bogged down again please
[11:17]	Huntress Catteneo 	counter you never sumit stuff for others here to see that I am aware, makes it hard to discuss in a useful way
[11:18]	Silvanus 	Counter you just gave the answer why external meetings are necessary too
[11:18]	Silversurfer 	join ZA and you will see it in this new process
[11:18]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton......I anm advising for tTHESE meeti8ngs....isf peoepl want to discc anything at TOP of meeting, its must go on the publsihed agenda (wiki)
[11:18]	Couldbe 	so it can be deleted? sounds sensible
[11:18]	Slaton Linden 	In generaly, we're not going to set agenda. We're looking for ways to give you as a community the tools to manage
[11:18]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton. I urge you read the URL I sent to explain the original process...which worked for many months'
[11:18]	Huntress Catteneo 	If stuff put on web saves time going over in the meetings
[11:19]	Innula Zenovka 	Slaton.. are we supposed to add stuff to the wiki page to get it discussed? Because I know, as Couldbe says, that stuff has been deleted
[11:19]	Silvanus 	yes Linden always showed that htey prefer the fredom of their residents...
[11:19]	Couldbe 	it didn't work well, paticularly when the same agenda items kept taking top spot and not leaving time for others to discuss things
[11:19]	Ginette Pinazzo 	if you want residents setting agenda...then the systenm we WEE using was perfect
[11:19]	Silversurfer 	if LL defines another process for submitting material than sending email, I am happy with that
[11:19]	Silvanus 	to regulate as less as necessary
[11:19]	Innula Zenovka 	which is why i sent Viale an email asking what the right way to put someone on the agenda was
[11:19]	Silversurfer 	this is what we were told to do now
[11:19]	Slaton Linden 	OK, Ginette. I'll read it. I agree that it's best to stick to a defined agenda and keep side conversations to a minimum otherwise nothing gets accomplished
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the orioginal pprocess was perfect...just because some peoepl refusd ot ever add anything to the agebnda wiki is not our problem
[11:20]	Couldbe 	it wasn't perfect ginette
[11:20]	Silversurfer 	far from perfect
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo 	good, Slaton..you want to debrief with me after you readit Slaton, if there are questions?
[11:20]	Silversurfer 	it was more or less spamming from one person
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo 	it was closer to perfect than not
[11:20]	Silvanus 	nothing is, Couldbe... so we are working constructive on it, Couldthisbe?
[11:20]	Couldbe 	the agenda items were not prioritised and irrelevancies ended up taking up most of the meeting for no other reason than the person managed to post first on the list
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo 	counter...you cabn join the procews sor not...thats alkways uyp top you
[11:20]	Slaton Linden 	For agenda, email or directly adding to wiki is fine
[11:20]	Hypatia Meili 	and LL can always decline an agenda item or postpone
[11:21]	Hypatia Meili 	but we can add topics freely
[11:21]	Hypatia Meili 	seems to work
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	all I am saying is: meetings without such standard format are not profesional...most place sin the world
[11:21]	Huntress Catteneo 	I would just like to see stuff that is being submitted before meeting
[11:21]	Slaton Linden 	Couldbe, agree that agenda items need to be prioritized
[11:21]	Silvanus 	sure Hypatia, SL has a god and this god is calles Linden Labs ; )
[11:21]	Qie 	Here's the underlying problem: Everyone here trusts a Linden to run this meeting, but Lindens don't want to run this meeting anymore.
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I agree Hunt....thats standard most places
[11:21]	Silversurfer 	why don't we submit to the agenda, but let LL prioritize items for the final one. Then we might be able to cut through it
[11:21]	Hypatia Meili 	wel we could ad a deadline to submit
[11:22]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Qie...thats why a Chair is almways an integral part
[11:22]	Qie 	gee, now who might that be?
[11:22]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I dotnm know Qie....but your sarcasm is showing!
[11:22]	Silversurfer 	Cold it be Slaton?
[11:22]	Slaton Linden 	You all should probably vote on a Chairperson
[11:22]	Slaton Linden 	non-Linden
[11:22]	Couldbe 	It has to be a LL employee
[11:23]	Silversurfer 	I submit Slaton
[11:23]	Silvanus 	lol -
[11:23]	Qie 	I second the nomination.
[11:23]	Couldbe 	otherwise just cancel these meetings and put us out of our misery
[11:23]	Slaton Linden 	Why does it have to be a Linden?
[11:23]	Silvanus 	Silvanus feels remembered a year ago
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[11:23]	Couldbe 	because it's your fucking meeting!!
[11:23]	Silversurfer 	because it is your meeting at the end of the day
[11:23]	Silvanus 	no slaton this discussion we had a year ago too, dont let them confuse you
[11:23]	Silversurfer 	and no favortism
[11:23]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I dotn want to hear obsecenities...this isnt high school
[11:23]	Slaton Linden 	Couldbe, that language will not be tolerated. Very unprofessional.
[11:24]	Couldbe 	so is this
[11:24]	Nal 	Is this an Office Hour meeting with an owner? Or a residents' group? It appears to be a Linde Office Hour from the listing in the wiki...
[11:24]	Huntress Catteneo 	*sigh* can we all drop the personal rubbish, we are all meant to be adult here acording to the rating, do we need to age verify some of you?
[11:24]	Silversurfer 	it is a Linden meeting instituted by Linden Lab
[11:24]	Hypatia Meili 	that renaming hs confused the matter
[11:24]	Silversurfer 	soe they should chair it
[11:24]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton, my proposal today was only to 'slowly move thinsg back' tpowards a more professional setup as we had before..its doesnt have to move the earth today...we can do s,mall steps
[11:24]	Innula Zenovka 	Slaton, because there's only a couple of people other than Lindens who would be seen as anything like impartial.. and neither of them (being in their right minds) would want to do it
[11:25]	Hypatia Meili 	it seems tobe bothe , user group and office hours
[11:25]	Silvanus 	but when I observe LL right, LL just want to be informed, and is willingt to help out... the rest is up to us residents....
[11:25]	Huntress Catteneo 	next subject I would say
[11:25]	Silversurfer 	ha!
[11:25]	Silvanus 	SL is a free world and LL has its intentionls about this topic (if I observe right)
[11:25]	Ramona Criss 	yes next coz we have only 30 min left
[11:25]	Silversurfer 	Sahall we repeat LL's golas for these meetings?
[11:25]	Silversurfer 	goals*
[11:25]	Slaton Linden 	OK, I think we can chair these meetings. Next topic?
[11:26]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton.....thanks for agreeing to read that link ionformation...I hope we get progres son this soon
[11:26]	Qie 	excellent.
[11:26]	Silversurfer 	thansl Slaton ;-)
[11:26]	Innula Zenovka 	thank you, Slaton
[11:26]	Silvanus 	wow time goes fast today
[11:27]	Ramona Criss 	so what is next topic?
[11:27]	Slaton Linden 	anyone else want to approach another topic?
[11:27]	Silvanus 	Welcome Center
[11:27]	Silversurfer 	elect welcome committee for this meeting?
[11:27]	Ginette Pinazzo 	next topic on agenda is Wexleom center
[11:28]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton....this is about Podyan and how it relates to otehr things (including Zindar Sim).....
[11:28]	Slaton Linden 	Silversurfer, want to discuss welcome commitee?
[11:28]	Silversurfer 	no t at all ;-)
[11:28]	Innula Zenovka 	I would like to ask about the status of the Adult Content FAQ at some point, but am content to have it left until next week if that would be more convenient, Slaton
[11:29]	Hypatia Meili 	it is bit out of date isn't it
[11:29]	Slaton Linden 	Innula, I can provide you with an update on that after the meeting. Is that OK?
[11:29]	Innula Zenovka 	that would be great. thank you
[11:29]	Lara Boyle 	From what I can see the idea and suggestions for the Adult welcome centre make a lot of sense
[11:30]	Slaton Linden 	FAQ is being updated
[11:30]	Hypatia Meili 	good
[11:30]	Silvanus 	yes atopic for ADULT over all
[11:30]	Nal 	Slaton, is it possible to publish that info in the forum or some place so we all know what is up with AC FAQ?
[11:30]	Lara Boyle 	but a question I do have... is how would an Adult centre fit in with all the others...?
[11:30]	Slaton Linden 	Nal, I'll look into that and let you know
[11:30]	Innula Zenovka 	actually, i think it's wider than that .. most questions are to do with "is this ok on M land" rather than "is this ok on Adult land"
[11:31]	Nal 	Thx
[11:31]	Slaton Linden 	let's focus on welcome experience.
[11:31]	Hypatia Meili 	i think ther is a place for both
[11:31]	Huntress Catteneo 	yes I would say that way too Innula
[11:31]	Hypatia Meili 	an M entry way into adult & an adult strting point
[11:32]	Hypatia Meili 	so to speak
[11:32]	Ginette Pinazzo 	amazinly Hypoa..the next agenda topic deal with that directly
[11:32]	Silversurfer 	what welcome experience Zlaton? are you talking about Zindra sim now?
[11:32]	Kim Rongyu 	would it not be easier to make both Adult?
[11:32]	Silversurfer 	Slaton
[11:32]	Lara Boyle 	but how would that relate to the PG/G welcome zones?... I mean... how would then be directed to there?
[11:32]	Slaton Linden 	Silersurfer, yes?
[11:33]	Silversurfer 	ok, ZA have submitted a number of suggestions for the Zindra sim
[11:33]	Huntress Catteneo 	be nice to see
[11:33]	Silversurfer 	and I think we really need to agree what the purpose of that si im before we fill it with content
[11:33]	Hypatia Meili 	lets here ginetes idea then your counter
[11:33]	Silversurfer 	I understand there is a drive to fill the sim with human greeters
[11:34]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton...cabn we styiuck to agenda and digress afterwards?
[11:34]	Silvanus 	well Counter the topic is as the name: Welcome
[11:34]	Silversurfer 	I understand there is a drive to fill the sim with human greeters?
[11:34]	Huntress Catteneo 	these meetings seem to still be very much two halves, not good for any processes
[11:34]	Qie 	So, there are a *bunch* of Adult infoHubs, some islands, some not. I agree that we need a Mature gateway to the Adult experience... I don't especially think it needs to be associated with Zindra at all. We also need a *Zindra* welcome area, Adult-rated, that serves the mainland continent directly.
[11:34]	Silversurfer 	the first question is who will man the sim 24/7 with greeters?
[11:34]	Silvanus 	Silvanus thinks that huntress got a key ; )
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[11:35]	Ginette Pinazzo 	that is not any fiurst question,....we are not close to that........
[11:35]	Silversurfer 	second question is, do you understand what happens to a sim when you give it a prominent place in DG? - it stalls because it gets full in minutes
[11:35]	Silvanus 	SIM-management can do this, Counter....
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo 	there has been ZERO consensus that Zindar Sim will be such a aplce yet...ther are otehr topics first to deal with, so we dotn re-invent the wheel
[11:36]	Hypatia Meili 	counter are you prposing we simply have no welcomare because they get busy?
[11:36]	Slaton Linden 	So, currently the Zindra sim is acting as the gateway to adult because of it's priority is search. Do you all want to change that?
[11:36]	Silversurfer 	then the goal for the Zindra sim is not to fill that sim with agents, but to get them out to the remaining 342 sims on the continent as sooon as possible
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(I think we overloaded Slaton)
[11:36]	Silvanus 	not me
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo 	no Slaton......thats backwards
[11:37]	Qie 	Slaton, that's a side issue, really. The problem isn't search priority for the gateway, but the availability of a Mature-rated gateway to Adult
[11:37]	Silversurfer 	we want to sue teh Zindra sim as the portal to this continent
[11:37]	Silversurfer 	use
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton: I am weary of metnioning the next agenda topic whoich addresses this......am i wasting my timje here?
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	who is 'we' countre..? that is not the wish of many others
[11:37]	Silversurfer 	and we dont think placing human helpers there is the right way of doing it
[11:37]	Qie 	I think we're confusing things here. This agenda item is about Podyan, no?
[11:37]	Slaton Linden 	Ginette, dive in w/ welcome agenda item
[11:37]	Silversurfer 	ZA has submitted this as a proposal
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes Qie..can we get to it?
[11:37]	Hypatia Meili 	lets her ginnetes prposal first
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ok Slaton.....
[11:37]	Silversurfer 	you know the group of 250 residents?
[11:38]	Silvanus 	huan helpers are the right answer to increase the quality appearance
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-welcome-center-how-to-do-it-right
[11:38]	Hypatia Meili 	then counter then we can discauss ?
[11:38]	Huntress Catteneo 	the place that disappeared was the key, do we know what happed there and if it will reappear?
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	this item exists for a reason
[11:38]	Silvanus 	its all about human here, Counter
[11:38]	Silversurfer 	it is all bout business here
[11:38]	Qie 	My only real hang-up about that is naming. I don't think it should have "Zindra" anywhere in its name.
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Viale wanted soem complelong rezasons why Zindar Som shoudl not be a welcoem center...this linkmproviudes 3 solid reasons....AND explains why Podyan is the obvious better choice....
[11:38]	Silversurfer 	that is why we got moved here by LL
[11:38]	Silvanus 	business is a part not more
[11:39]	Silvanus 	without the clients and customers you hae no business
[11:39]	Silversurfer 	exaclty
[11:39]	Huntress Catteneo 	wher is Podyan though??
[11:39]	Silversurfer 	and stalling themm in the Zindra sim is not gonna help
[11:39]	Qie 	Zindra sim *might* be a welcome center for the Zindra continent, but that's for a different purpose than this agenda item is trying to address.
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Podyan is Moderate..itrs in ocean...and it can be renamed something very specific and intuitive to guarabntee peoepl will go there first
[11:39]	Ramona Criss 	true Silvanus
[11:39]	Silvanus 	but you willnot be able to hypnotize and order ppl to buy and purchase
[11:39]	Silvanus 	first you have to care for them
[11:39]	Silversurfer 	they need to get sprayed out over the continent
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I have been researching ab t the fate of Podyan...still in midst of that
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo 	but I see NO reason to reivnetn the wheel when we had/have the perfect welcoem center solutin already there
[11:40]	Lara Boyle 	I run an Adult Sim at a profit... and we've had no benefit of anything but ourselves for the last five years
[11:40]	Silversurfer 	yes, perfect - telling people who were age verified how to age verify
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ajnd that can free up Zindar Sim to be soemthing a lot more dynamic than a welcoem center
[11:40]	Rogue Vondran 	People need to lead to water to make them drink, you will always need a watering hole, so to speak
[11:40]	Silvanus 	yes Lara, you are smart, but not all business owners on SL have such a great management-education
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton, have tyou read that matrial yet? (its bveen posted ANd emailed a whiler ago)
[11:41]	Silversurfer 	ditto to Slaton
[11:41]	Silversurfer 	we have submitted tons of suggestions, and you should be able to compile them for us for further discussion
[11:41]	Silvanus 	Silvanus agrees to Rogue
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[11:41]	Slaton Linden 	yes, Ginette I've read it. Is everyone in agreement that Podyan should be the gateway/ welcome for adult?
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton.this iis one of the reasoins we wre so adamant abotu not wasting Zindra Sim as a mere welcoem center and making it soemthing really useful
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	U agree, Slaton..it meets all the conditions for a welcoem center
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	*I
[11:43]	Slaton Linden 	Ginette, this issue if more about search and discoverability. Do mot people not hear Zindra then search for it and end up there first?
[11:43]	Ginette Pinazzo 	thoughts from the crowd? (many quiet ones today!)
[11:43]	Silversurfer 	Slaton the ideal thing would be to place the Zindra sim in DG for Basic
[11:43]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton..if you are talking inqworld search? via map or places? its a non-issue...a few Zindar thinsg will pop up....what you WANT is soewmtning specific...liek Zindar StartPoint, etc
[11:43]	Silversurfer 	but then it must have the capacity and seup to handle the traffic
[11:43]	Silversurfer 	and get people out to the remianing 342 sims
[11:44]	Nal 	The only well known adult area people know of, if they know one, is Zindra. But, I suspect most just search for their kink.
[11:44]	Ginette Pinazzo 	if you keep it 'Zindra' it wont help your discoverability...just add confision
[11:44]	Slaton Linden 	OK, Ginette that makes sense
[11:44]	Ginette Pinazzo 	call it Zindra GoHere First...hahah..you get desired results
[11:44]	Huntress Catteneo 	Zindra Central
[11:44]	Qie 	Well, but Slaton, if they hear about Zindra, they should go to the Zindra continent. Podyan probably needs some keywords around it to make it clear that it serves the whole Mature - Adult gateway.
[11:44]	Silversurfer 	why would you call it gohereefirst if it is a nice image in the Basic DG?
[11:45]	Rogue Vondran 	agree's Huntress
[11:45]	Silversurfer 	thi is not the command line Ginette
[11:45]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Podyan woudl obviously ber renamed Qie
[11:45]	Innula Zenovka 	is this about promoting Adult Content or that small subset of adult content to be found on Zindra?
[11:45]	Huntress Catteneo 	was joke counter
[11:45]	Couldbe 	why are we still banging on about the change of name? I thought it had been decided to keep it as Zindra
[11:45]	Qie 	see, but it *can't* be named "Zindra"-anything
[11:45]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its abt both Innula...the welcoem center at Podyan woudl cover it all
[11:45]	Slaton Linden 	Qie, yes, good point
[11:45]	Huntress Catteneo 	she gave exmaple
[11:45]	Nal 	Zindra Start - is very obvious for one searching on just Zindra.
[11:45]	Vick Forcella 	Hi all, and more :)
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo 	why not Qie...? you have 'Zindra' plus the descriptive term...you get best of both wordls
[11:46]	Silversurfer 	if you feed the newly minted Zindra in DG, they will immediately make the association
[11:46]	Silversurfer 	no need for any additional name
[11:46]	Hypatia Meili 	depends on which sim you ar talking about Qie
[11:46]	Dancer Greenfield 	A few weeks ago we agreed unanimously (in this meeting) to change the name... then the next week people came who had missed the meeting and brought the topic up again
[11:46]	Qie 	but Zindra is not all of the Adult content in SL
[11:46]	Qie 	the Mature-to-Adult gateway needs to be more general
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton..you have an ovcerriding issue too....for Marketing.....you cant brand the welcoem center juust Zindra...maerkting will hate you later.........a specific name will let you really promote it
[11:47]	Qie 	there may also be a good use for a Zindra-specific gateway, but that should be *on* the Zindra continent itself.
[11:47]	Silversurfer 	why dont you really rename it to adultfinder then?
[11:47]	Silversurfer 	cant be more direct than that
[11:47]	Vick Forcella 	Did I drop this URL before? http://vickforcella.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/a-vision-of-zindra/
[11:47]	Nal 	Dancer, that is why the chair controls the meetngs and sticks to agenda.
[11:47]	Rogue Vondran 	I have to go, ty all for having me :)
[11:47]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ciao Rogue
[11:47]	Silversurfer 	Cheers Rough
[11:47]	Kim Rongyu 	byw :)
[11:47]	Silversurfer 	Rogue*
[11:47]	Ginette Pinazzo 	no reason to 'drop' the Zindar part...it can help brtanding......just add to it
[11:47]	Slaton Linden 	thanks, Rouge
[11:48]	Qie 	(To be honest, I think Arapaima was originally intended to do what Podyan is being asked to do now... out in the middle of the water, "Safe Infohub" etc... but it was rated Adult, so that proved to be backwards.)
[11:48]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Maybe Zindra Adult QuickStaret
[11:48]	Silversurfer 	Silversurfer thinks Ginette does not ahve a clue about branding
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[11:48]	Silversurfer 	the branding you propose Ginette is like a Microsoft product
[11:48]	Ginette Pinazzo 	counter..I will nto tolerate your wild insults
[11:48]	Silversurfer 	comes in 7 different names on the package
[11:48]	Silvanus 	Counter your lanuage becomes destructive
[11:48]	Huntress Catteneo 	personal stuff again, knock it off
[11:49]	Silversurfer 	sorry, i shall not mention Microsoft any more
[11:49]	Qie 	lol. they posted record profits. such language, Counter. :p
[11:49]	Huntress Catteneo 	as the saying goes, can't say anything nice, don't say
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo 	insiults will scare away professional peoepl from this process too....we need to have that stopped
[11:49]	Slaton Linden 	let's keep it friendly as possible please. Professional would be good too
[11:50]	Lara Boyle 	well good people.... I was invited here - and came with good intentions. I have watched and listened - and frankly I see nothing that is productive and sadly, nothing that shows even a remote way of going forward... I offer my thanks for the invite... my respect to you Slaton. Perhaps when things go professional, we shall be invited back
[11:50]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton....can we get action items on this topc? so we have soem sense of movement?
[11:50]	Hypatia Meili 	heckling just to heckle doe not help
[11:50]	Silversurfer 	Silversurfer happens to know quite a bit about branding having wirked in marketing for the 2 strongest brands there is
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[11:50]	Ginette Pinazzo 	thansk Latex...and Im truly sorry
[11:50]	Huntress Catteneo 	It seems we need mediators for these two groups, it is getting rather tiring
[11:51]	Silversurfer 	it gets tiring because one party never wants to discuss on terms with the rest
[11:51]	Slaton Linden 	alrighty, back to welcome. In general, do people agree with Ginette's proposal?
[11:51]	Lara Boyle 	tis not your fault Ginette.... you deserve evey success - but with a meeting like this... it will never happen
[11:51]	Silversurfer 	no
[11:51]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I agree and its the positio9n of ZE too (we have our own secrte meetings..haha)
[11:51]	Silvanus 	See you Lara, thank you for your time
[11:51]	Slaton Linden 	noted Silversurfer
[11:51]	Nal 	Somewhat
[11:51]	Silversurfer 	ZE does not even have any process
[11:51]	Silversurfer 	I am mamber of it and no meetings at all
[11:52]	Dancer Greenfield 	Bye Lara, thanks for coming
[11:52]	Couldbe 	Thank you for your input Lara, I'm sure it has been noted.. do you have a professional script writer by any chance?
[11:52]	Silversurfer 	so who do you represent Ginette? You?
[11:52]	Vick Forcella 	I'm missing meetings lately
[11:52]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we meet twice a week and we even have our meetings machinimad..haha
[11:52]	Lara Boyle 	we have four Couldbe
[11:52]	Vick Forcella 	I have sort of a proposal too, did I mention http://vickforcella.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/a-vision-of-zindra/ (Vick is spamming)
[11:52]	Nal 	I've gotta run. Bye.
[11:53]	Slaton Linden 	Vick, I'll review
[11:53]	Silvanus 	bye Natales
[11:53]	Slaton Linden 	thanks
[11:53]	Vick Forcella 	ty Slanton
[11:53]	Chantall Congrejo 	it seems this is not a LL leading meeting and only personal feelings are spoken out, wat i miss is agenda and stick to it lead by a chairman that leads and dont forces his idees but look in al derections.
[11:54]	Hypatia Meili 	i do not get all this obstrutionism. the way to go is make proposals stop tearing down others idea
[11:54]	Slarus Rajal-Palen	Be well all, thank you for the invite
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo 	Well I was made to make a promise, so even though I can guess the answer....
[11:54]	Dancer Greenfield 	Bye Slarus
[11:54]	Hypatia Meili 	let the sugestions them selves compoeete
[11:54]	Silversurfer 	and LL needs to compile the ideas for presentation and further discussion
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo 	Is there any sign of any progress at all with Vortex? had griefer during speed build again is really ridiculous
[11:54]	Ginette Pinazzo 	take care Slarus
[11:54]	Silvanus 	Silvanus is missing a minimum of manners at this meetings
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[11:54]	Silversurfer 	right now theat email address is a balck hole
[11:54]	Slaton Linden 	Huntress, I'll follow up with you
[11:55]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we have 5 monutes: do we have actio0n items going forward?
[11:55]	Huntress Catteneo 	the poor builders look at me and go 'do something'
[11:55]	Evelynn Kidd 	a voting machine would be a help
[11:55]	Slaton Linden 	Silversurfer, I just got added to the email which should help us respond
[11:55]	Silversurfer 	uit would help if there was suggestions to vote on
[11:55]	Hypatia Meili 	slaton ar we to only make email submsions or ad to agenda also?
[11:55]	Silversurfer 	great Slaton
[11:56]	Silversurfer 	so that means you have not seen any of ZA's proposals?
[11:56]	Silversurfer 	only Viale?
[11:56]	Silvanus 	voting makes only sense in SL when you have an IP dedection and even then it can be manipulated
[11:56]	Slaton Linden 	Hypatia, either way. I'm going to figure out a process for prioritizing the agenda items anyway.
[11:56]	Slaton Linden 	Silvanus, you read my mind ;)
[11:56]	Silversurfer 	that would be great Slaton
[11:57]	Silversurfer 	Ip addresses change troughout the day for anyone with a mobile rig
[11:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I advise anyone who wants to get things addressed., add to the wiki agenda too....to provide transparency
[11:57]	Silversurfer 	so it does not make sense to use those
[11:58]	Silversurfer 	I suggest LL adds to the agenda
[11:58]	Hypatia Meili 	well you can certinly get roguh idea of general concencus but a vote is not good to decide clos alternatives
[11:58]	Silversurfer 	after suubmission
[11:58]	Silversurfer 	and write locked, so it cant be tampered with
[11:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	if LL want s' organic' you will continue to have resdeinst empowe4red to add to agenda, as lonmg a sits not absued
[11:58]	Hypatia Meili 	i sugest we can ad freely but LL can veto
[11:58]	Silversurfer 	it has been abused we all know that
[11:58]	Slaton Linden 	sounds reasonable Silversurfer.
[11:59]	Hypatia Meili 	and maybe lockit on friday
[11:59]	Hypatia Meili 	sono late addtions
[11:59]	Hypatia Meili 	then unlock after the meeting
[11:59]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Slaton..if you shut out agenda posting as an opytion, you are moving away from yoru stated mission to be organic......you will elinmiate even MORE involveemnt
[11:59]	Qie 	Perhaps the prioritized list should be hands-off to residents (we can see the history), even if items can be added to a separate section for Linden prioritization into the actual agenda.
[11:59]	Silversurfer 	since ZA has group meetings on Sundays we like to submit Monday morning European time
[12:00]	Ginette Pinazzo 	just allow peoepl to post on agedna...and LL can re-edit if necessary
[12:00]	Hypatia Meili 	withno time for anyone to review it as soimbody els objected(why i added thAT)
[12:00]	Vick Forcella 	In RL people die, what will be our legacy?
[12:01]	Hypatia Meili 	i rather nothave it locked but other said wan tome to review it
[12:01]	Silversurfer 	with time for LL to complie the submissions for the agenda Monday
[12:01]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we are taking work OFF of LL's hands by doing it the wiki way
[12:01]	Ginette Pinazzo 	this way Slaton can just shwo up and run down agenda in order...as in past
[12:01]	Silversurfer 	they gotta do some work for what we pay them? ;.))
[12:01]	Hypatia Meili 	and LLseems to wan that more resident run. right?
[12:01]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its trhe most inclusive but organized solution
[12:02]	Vick Forcella 	Lately the Wiki is almost impossible to find btw
[12:02]	Ginette Pinazzo 	all you need is URL, Vick
[12:03]	Slaton Linden 	we'll need to prioritize. we're fine with that. we'll keep it open, but look for a way to review prior to meeting and confirm that people who added agree with agenda
[12:03]	Vick Forcella 	I know, I know. but from the main pages all points to the *new and improved* KB
[12:03]	Hypatia Meili 	why is that? ive found that withalot of parts of the SL offcial site.
[12:03]	Hypatia Meili 	seems hard to navigate latly
[12:03]	Vick Forcella 	We all can modify the wiki
[12:03]	Hypatia Meili 	unless yo doalreadyhave th url
[12:03]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ok Slaton...sounds liek soem sort of plan
[12:03]	Silversurfer 	and the email submission process Slaton?
[12:04]	Slaton Linden 	you can email and we'll add
[12:04]	Silversurfer 	is that dead now then?
[12:04]	Silversurfer 	ok, thanks
[12:04]	Slaton Linden 	no, email is fine
[12:04]	Vick Forcella 	for the agenda there should be no need for e-mail
[12:04]	Ginette Pinazzo 	just realzie: publically published material on that wiki shows transparency....closer to the mission of letting the community evolve its pown growtrh
[12:04]	Hypatia Meili 	can we ad or ned to eamil then?
[12:04]	Slaton Linden 	sorry if you've had issues with the email. Should be better moving fwd
[12:04]	Hypatia Meili 	only
[12:04]	Ginette Pinazzo 	slaton...we all have your email?
[12:04]	Slaton Linden 	add or email. either way
[12:05]	Vick Forcella 	community@lindenlab.com
[12:05]	Silversurfer 	sounds like a deal Slaton
[12:05]	Silvanus 	Silvanus fears Sthat Slaton gets spammed
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[12:05]	Hypatia Meili 	i sugest people do both usualy
[12:05]	Slaton Linden 	yes, email community@lindenlab.com
[12:05]	Ginette Pinazzo 	great
[12:05]	Huntress Catteneo 	when posting there how do you say which linden?
[12:05]	Slaton Linden 	OK, I gotta run.
[12:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ciao
[12:06]	Ramona Criss 	•´¨*•.¸.♥ Bye Bye ♥.¸.•*¨`•
[12:06]	Silvanus 	ty Slaton : )
[12:06]	Vick Forcella 	Gotta run to, have a girl to tie up
[12:06]	Qie 	thanks Slaton.
[12:06]	Silvanus 	tc and a nice week : )
[12:06]	Ramona Criss 	•´¨*•.¸.♥ Bye Bye ♥.¸.•*¨`•
[12:06]	Ramona Criss 	Slaton
[12:06]	Dancer Greenfield 	Bye Slaton
[12:06]	Hypatia Meili 	comunity does that get from other comunities then? should we topic them "adult" ?
[12:06]	Kim Rongyu 	bye Slaton
[12:06]	Hypatia Meili 	bye slaton
[12:06]	Vick Forcella 	TC all!
[12:06]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks Slaton
[12:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I feel bad we just lost a very strong possible particopant )LatexGirl)...I hope we can develop a better process so that sort of thing doesnt ha[2011/07/25 ppen again
 	 	
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