Bug triage/2009-09-24/Transcript

* [2:32] Davy Linden: Today's agenda: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Thursday_Agenda
* [2:32] Opensource Obscure: a slightly off topic question before we start : any news about the Gesture Recognition project? Philip told it was going to be ready after summer
* [2:32] Opensource Obscure: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Gesture_Recognition
* [2:32] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [2:32] Louise Linden: I have no idea!
* [2:32] Davy Linden: I don't know anything about it, other than the project exists, sorry
* [2:32] Opensource Obscure: ok : ) let's go on with the agenda
* [2:33] Bofp Boyd: hello
* [2:33] Opensource Obscure: huge bugs list today
* [2:33] Louise Linden: First up is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14377
* [2:33] Louise Linden: Run Multiple Threads on Apple causes texture loading delay or failure
* [2:34] Louise Linden: can we stop the sound spamming please?
* [2:34] Imaze Rhiano: sorry - I was testing bug https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14353
* [2:35] Skills Hak: hi
* [2:35] Louise Linden: ok, please feel free to add that to the agenda (if it's not already there!)
* [2:35] Ann Otoole: guess we need a Mac user for input on that one
* [2:35] Louise Linden: OK so has anyone experienced the multiple threads issue?
* [2:36] Imaze Rhiano: doesn't have Mac
* [2:36] Latif Khalifa: i'm on windows ...
* [2:36] Techwolf Lupindo: I'me on Linux
* [2:36] Melchizedek Blauvelt: XP here
* [2:36] Skills Hak: opensource is abusing lookat! ;)
* [2:36] Skills Hak: are you aware of that?
* [2:36] Louise Linden: well the qa team all have macs around, sio we can import and take a look
* [2:37] Davy Linden: ok
* [2:37] Louise Linden: so next then https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14044
* [2:37] Louise Linden: Show Updates followed by turning off the Volume rendering crashes the viewer
* [2:38] Louise Linden: unless you're running a second machine, i wouldn't advise testing that right now! ;)
* [2:38] Davy Linden: try to repro later / import is it does?
* [2:38] Davy Linden: if*
* [2:39] Louise Linden: yup that sounds like a good plan
* [2:39] Imaze Rhiano: doesn't crash for me
* [2:39] Louise Linden: if anyone does repro this, could they add their specs please?
* [2:39] Imaze Rhiano: oh... have additional steps...
* [2:39] Louise Linden: oh great! please add them! :D
* [2:40] Louise Linden: well not great. viewer crashing is never good...
* [2:40] Louise Linden: :s
* [2:41] Louise Linden: ok so next on the list https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-15563
* [2:41] Louise Linden: Client gives up before finishing to load full inventory due to packet loss
* [2:41] Simon Kline: i witnessed this recently on a slower machine in wireless
* [2:42] Simon Kline: i've got about 17000 items and it only showed about 15000 that session
* [2:42] Skills Hak: we get that in emerald support alot too
* [2:42] Simon Kline: i haven't had a chance to play around more with it to see what's going on yet.. packet loss etc.
* [2:43] Simon Kline: i'll see what i can find on the weekend and add it in if you like
* [2:43] Melchizedek Blauvelt: It happens to me a lot when I used up my bandwidth for the month
* [2:43] Davy Linden: the more information the better, simon, thanks
* [2:43] Skills Hak: definitely related to bandwidth settings yes
* [2:44] Ann Otoole: can't you just press ctrl-alt-L during fetch to simulate?
* [2:44] Latif Khalifa: what happened to WebFetchInventoryDescendants capability?
* [2:44] Imaze Rhiano: VWR-14044 - confirmed with Snowglobe 1.2.0 (2680) Aug 26 2009 20:14:10 (Snowglobe Test Build)
* [2:45] Louise Linden: OK lets see if changing bandwidth settings has any effect and see if we can get a little more information
* [2:45] Davy Linden: k
* [2:45] Louise Linden: connection info might be usefull too
* [2:46] Latif Khalifa: hopefully this will disappear when inventory switches over to CAPs which i beleive is the plan
* [2:47] Louise Linden: next up https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14162
* [2:47] Louise Linden: Camera sliders gone - No camera transition time
* [2:47] Skills Hak: we re-added that in emerald o.o
* [2:47] Skills Hak: alot of people asked for it
* [2:48] Latif Khalifa: this is more of a user experience /design issue rather than a bug
* [2:48] Louise Linden: they were taken out, this is a FR really, not a bug
* [2:48] Davy Linden: looks like this was a deliberate change, so it's either expected behaviour, or should be a feature request
* [2:48] Davy Linden: move to FR?
* [2:48] Louise Linden: please
* [2:48] Davy Linden: ok
* [2:49] Louise Linden: it might be worth adding how to access them from debug settings
* [2:49] NikoKito Aries: hi good day
* [2:49] Louise Linden: next up https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14091
* [2:49] Louise Linden: shouts: Camera View Angle slider is not reset by cancel button.
* [2:49] Louise Linden: 8hi nikokito
* [2:50] NikoKito Aries: hi Louise, is my first here
* [2:50] NikoKito Aries: (es->en) hi Louise, here is my first
* [2:50] Louise Linden: :) Welcome!
* [2:50] NikoKito Aries: Thanks very much :)
* [2:50] Ann Otoole: confirmed. cancel does not reset
* [2:51] Bofp Boyd: same here
* [2:51] Ann Otoole: Second Life 1.23.4 (123908)
* [2:51] Louise Linden: Ann, can you add your env. please?
* [2:51] Louise Linden: We'll import this
* [2:51] Davy Linden: ok
* [2:52] Louise Linden: OK then, next is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-15604
* [2:52] Louise Linden: Viewer can receive extra root folders as inventory transfer
* [2:53] Skills Hak: >.>
* [2:53] Lonely Bluebird: Actually, sending root folders no longer works.
* [2:53] Skills Hak: yeah?
* [2:53] Davy Linden: NMI / is this still a problem?
* [2:54] Louise Linden: yeah, if we can find out which modded viewers were capable then we can investigate
* [2:55] Louise Linden: next: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-15207
* [2:55] Louise Linden: Canceling Snapshot to Disk still triggers snapshot sound and animation.
* [2:55] Skills Hak: mhmm
* [2:56] Black Wood: Zabuton with Texture Change Cushion: japanesesit
* [2:56] Black Wood: Zabuton with Texture Change Cushion: japanesesit
* [2:56] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [2:56] Black Wood: Zabuton with Texture Change Cushion: japanesesit
* [2:57] Black Wood: Zabuton with Texture Change Cushion: japanesesit
* [2:57] Black Wood: Zabuton with Texture Change Cushion: japanesesit
* [2:57] Louise Linden: I think it's worth importing and having a look
* [2:57] Davy Linden: ok
* [2:58] Louise Linden: if anyone does repro can they ad their specs please? thanks
* [2:58] Louise Linden: next up: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-15168 HUD prim changes sometimes not shown if avatar is not in view
* [2:59] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [2:59] Louise Linden: has anyone seen this?
* [3:00] NikoKito Aries: yes to me any
* [3:00] Opensource Obscure: not exactly, but i saw something vaguely similar as in my comment
* [3:01] NikoKito Aries: i see avatar but not see
* [3:01] NikoKito Aries: (es->en) avatar i see but not see
* [3:01] Ann Otoole: i see odness. just cam way out and click your ao on/off
* [3:02] Ann Otoole: the scripts function but the texture is not changing
* [3:02] Louise Linden: Shall we import this and take a look? it could be related to the issues listed, but we'd need to take a good look
* [3:02] Davy Linden: ok
* [3:02] NikoKito Aries: ok
* [3:02] Louise Linden: next up: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14915 People Picker (Group Invites, Bans etc) doesn't work for all Names
* Created: 29/Jul/09 08:18 AM Updated: 12/Sep/09 06:36 AM
* [3:03] Skills Hak: ah short names
* [3:03] Skills Hak: like M linden
* [3:03] Skills Hak: same goes for people search
* [3:03] Trinity Coulter: it would be nice if you could just type a name in the people picker and it would verify, rather than having to do a search and wait
* [3:03] Ann Otoole: you need 3 chars for search to work
* [3:04] Trinity Coulter: especially when you are filling out an AR and its laggy
* [3:04] Louise Linden: OK, let's import this and go take a look
* [3:04] NikoKito Aries: se pueden poner comodines (*, ?) para la busqueda ?
* [3:04] NikoKito Aries: (es->en) You can put wildcards (*,?) for the search?
* [3:05] Skills Hak: i thought this is why M, Q and others picked a short name haha
* [3:05] Skills Hak: less random IMs
* [3:05] NikoKito Aries: ms fcil de recordar tambin
* [3:05] NikoKito Aries: (es->en) also easier to remember
* [3:05] Imaze Rhiano: at least in future - you shouldn't allow to create short named avatars
* [3:05] Ann Otoole: they could either stop allowing short names or check length and add wildcards to search
* [3:06] Louise Linden: please feel free to add those as FRs
* [3:06] Ann Otoole: Bo might get upset
* [3:06] Louise Linden: *if they are not there already....
* [3:06] Louise Linden: so next on the list https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14926 Avatar attachments are visible in mouselook when viewed through the water plane
* [3:06] Ann Otoole: ed will get mad
* [3:07] Davy Linden: this exists internally already
* [3:07] Davy Linden: I'll find it and link up
* [3:07] Louise Linden: ok great!
* [3:08] Louise Linden: next: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14549 Script-state reverts when changing running-bit before save is complete
* [3:09] Imaze Rhiano: Confirmed - but I think that priority should be lowered - doesn't really break content or such and easily avoidable
* [3:09] Skills Hak: should be greyed out or something
* [3:09] Skills Hak: as soon as the user hits "save"
* [3:10] Imaze Rhiano: ya... grayed out until compiliation and save is done
* [3:10] Trinity Coulter: who is checking that while they are saving anyway?
* [3:10] Imaze Rhiano: agrees with trinity
* [3:10] Trinity Coulter: ADD scripters?
* [3:10] Imaze Rhiano: really... minor bug
* [3:10] Skills Hak: it happened to me once lol
* [3:10] Skills Hak: in a hurry
* [3:10] Skills Hak: but nvm yea
* [3:10] Louise Linden: OK, let's add this to out import list!
* [3:10] Davy Linden: ok
* [3:11] Louise Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14353 llStopSound restart the sound if using llSetSoundQueueing(TRUE)
* [3:11] Trinity Coulter: actually it makes sense
* [3:11] Imaze Rhiano: I wasn't able to confirm this one
* [3:11] Trinity Coulter: since the UUID of the item is probably saved with its state
* [3:11] Imaze Rhiano: sound was stopping when touching
* [3:13] Louise Linden: another one for the qa import list I think!
* [3:13] Davy Linden: k
* [3:14] Louise Linden: next up: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14266
* [3:14] Louise Linden: Debug Setting RenderAvatarMaxVisible not working
* [3:14] Skills Hak: isn't that in fact the treshold for impostor rendering?
* [3:14] Trinity Coulter: maybe it only works if you see avatars named Max
* [3:15] Skills Hak: then it would be expected behaviour
* [3:15] Ann Otoole: last time i was taking pictures of 80 bots it worked
* [3:15] Ann Otoole: got laggy :P
* [3:15] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [3:15] Louise Linden: hrm this has been reported on Win7, lets ask for more info and see if this affects any supported OSs
* [3:16] Davy Linden: comment suggests this is expected behaviour
* [3:16] Object: failed.: 
* [3:16] Davy Linden: I'll find release notes and check
* [3:16] Louise Linden: ok great. if it is, then close it, if not NMI?
* [3:16] Davy Linden: ok
* [3:16] Object: failed.: 
* [3:17] Object: failed.: 
* [3:17] Louise Linden: next on the list https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14236 Gecko didn't render HTML <select> tag at correct position
* [3:18] Trinity Coulter: that sounds like a web design issue
* [3:18] Trinity Coulter: not a viewer issue
* [3:18] Black Wood: Zabuton with Texture Change Cushion: japanesesit
* [3:19] Techwolf Lupindo: Need to test that on webkit, but it hasn't been relised by LL yet as far as I know.
* [3:20] Davy Linden: the webpage has changed since this was reported. should we ask for new repro?
* [3:20] Louise Linden: yes please.
* [3:20] Davy Linden: ok
* [3:21] Trinity Coulter: it would be nice if the SL website would have a viewer-friendly mode
* [3:21] Ann Otoole: i have to drop. nice seeing everyone
* [3:22] Louise Linden: Thanks Ann
* [3:22] Louise Linden: next up is: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14208 1.23 - New camera preference "Camera view angle" affects scripted camera control.
* [3:23] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [3:23] Louise Linden: I'm thinking import, we can go and take a look
* [3:24] Davy Linden: ok
* [3:24] NikoKito Aries: ok
* [3:24] Louise Linden: NExt up: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14158 rendervolumeLODFactor not staying changed
* [3:25] Louise Linden: anyone experiencing this?
* [3:25] NikoKito Aries: I not
* [3:26] Skills Hak: me neither
* [3:27] Skills Hak: they must have crashed before saving the config or something
* [3:27] Bofp Boyd: yes it resets for me when i change the graphic settings
* [3:27] Skills Hak: yes true
* [3:27] Skills Hak: when you change object detail
* [3:27] Skills Hak: which is expected behaviour
* [3:28] Skills Hak: after all it's a debug setting
* [3:28] Techwolf Lupindo: Unfortually, that expected behivor now that LOD factor is tied to the graphics slider.
* [3:28] Techwolf Lupindo: ANd defaulted waaaay to low.
* [3:29] Louise Linden: OK we're going to go and see if this is expected behaviour. we'll comment on the jira when we find out!
* [3:29] Davy Linden: ok
* [3:29] Louise Linden: if it's not then we'll get it imported
* [3:29] Louise Linden: Right, that's all the time we have!
* [3:29] NikoKito Aries: Thanks
* [3:29] Davy Linden: thanks everyone
* [3:30] Skills Hak: thanks
* [3:30] NikoKito Aries: Thanks to You
* [3:30] Bofp Boyd: ok bye , have a nice day/night all
* [3:30] Imaze Rhiano: thank you Louise and Davy
* [3:30] Louise Linden: we'll most probably be back in two weeks, but we will try and let you know!
* [3:30] Melchizedek Blauvelt: Thanks Lindens
* [3:30] Louise Linden: and make sure the agenda goes up the night before so you can all take a look!
* [3:30] NikoKito Aries: Nice Day for All
* [3:30] Louise Linden: have a nice day everyone!