Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2011-02-24

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on February 24th, 2011
== Agenda ==
=== Updates ===
* Main Channel
** Andrew's maint-server branch
*** Fixed a security issue related to deleting other people's objects.
*** Fixed two simulator crash modes.
*** Removed some unnecessary server logs.
*** Fixed : Changing Regions Very fast Causes " No Valid Agent ID "
*** Fixed : Scripted and linked objects not behaving properly when crossing parcel boundaries
*** Updates to Parcel API for supporting large land owners
*** NEW Feature added in 11.02.03.220327: 
**** "Threaded Rez": Object rezzing is moved to a separate thread. This should minimize lag instances when complex objects are rezzed in a region.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/11
* Magnum
** This has some new bug fixes. I'm calling it "server-maint" to differentiate it from "maint-server"
** Bugs Fixed
*** : Duplicating old attachments does not copy attachment point/position/rotation info
*** Some people may notice a slight improvement in regions with heavy object creationg/deletion. (Maestro claims he saw his object-creation benchmark speed up from 14 obj/sec to 17 obj/sec. Nothing was changed in object creation, however we did clean up object deletion, and Maestro's benchmark deletes objects as fast as they are created.)
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/Magnum
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/11
* LeTigre
** Kelly's mono2-aware branch + maint-server from trunk
** This branch paves the way for upgrading the Mono virtual machine that runs scripts in Second Life. This branch ensures that scripts continue to work as we upgrade.
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/LeTigre
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/11
* Blue Steel
** Content Management projct + maint-server from trunk
** Updates to the updates to the IP management tools
** Fixed crash modes.
** perhaps a new crash mode. anyone have any insight?
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/BlueSteel
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/11
=== Upcoming Stuff ===
* Logging change coming soon.
** 100% transparent.
** No rolling restart needed.
* Lithium blog software upgrade
** http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2011/02/16/a-new-community-platform-coming-march-2nd
** Interim status pages.
*** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Release_Status_Whiteboard
* XMPP
** Project Viewer soonish
* Log's download queue work
=== Interesting Stuff ===
*Oskar's Server Release Status Whiteboard
** http://www.ustream.tv/channel/serverreleasestatuswhiteboard
= Transcript =
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for February 24th, 2011:
* [15:01] Monster LagGroup: hello maestro, long time no see 
* [15:01] Dorn Gustafson: hi maestro linder
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: welcome Ladies and Prims
* [15:02] draconis.neurocam: Heya: Oskar
* [15:02] oobscure: hi: everybod
* [15:02] And all: i got was this lousy DN: howdy oskar
* [15:02] oobscure: y: 
* [15:02] Homeless Resident: hi Oskar
* [15:02] Marigold DevinMarigold: Devin waves hiya to all
* [15:02] Dorn Gustafson: how you make it upside down?
* [15:02] Dorn Gustafson: Hi :)
* [15:02] oobscure: /names: 
* [15:02] Coyot Linden: unicode hack
* [15:02] Dorn Gustafson: oh
* [15:02] Seat Cushion: whispers: Hi Marigold Devin! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
* [15:02] Dorn GustafsonDorn: Gustafson wonders what that is
* [15:02] Coyot Linden: hang on
* [15:02] Monster LagGroup: hi jon 
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: there we go
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: got my settings all set
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: alrighty now where was I
* [15:03] Coyot Linden: Dorn: 
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: I haz a link for you all: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
* [15:03] Psi Merlin: Hi /all
* [15:03] TankMaster Finesmith: woot
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: Happy Thursday to you all
* [15:04] Eddi Decosta: hey Tank 
* [15:04] TankMaster Finesmith: hiya monster 
* [15:04] Eddi Decosta: you can get your coffee 
* [15:04] Coyot Linden: Here's a link dnobsnqs//opuos//:d
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: how is everyone this week?
* [15:04] Dorn Gustafson: (: uop-psdn u ou
* [15:04] Coyot Linden: ;)
* [15:05] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
* [15:05] Dorn Gustafson: and backwards lol
* [15:05] Draconis Neurocam: alright, how are you oskar
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: not too bad
* [15:05] Dorn Gustafson: it is cold out so I'm in here
* [15:05] Coyot LindenCoyot: Linden thinks we should do the entire UG in flip text
* [15:05] Rex Cronon: greetings everybody
* [15:05] Script Counter: 
* Total Avatar Scripts - 2389
* Highest - Rickk Turbo: 1337 (55%)
* Lowest - Maestro Linden: 0 (0%)
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: I think you should not encourage coyot
* [15:06] Coyot Linden: I think everyone should encourage coyot
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: alrighty then
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: on to the agenda
* [15:06] Dorn Gustafson: (: p o p q b nq
* [15:06] Sigma Avro: higher cases are not reversed
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: Item 1: Updates
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: we had monday off this week
* [15:06] Homeless: busu: q pno 
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: no work was done by myself
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: I went snowboarding with dear old lil
* [15:07] TankMaster Finesmith: cept the work with that white fluffy stuff
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: and lil's buddy blew out his knee after 20s on the first run
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: oops
* [15:07] Dorn Gustafson: yipes
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: I am built like a tank so no problems here
* [15:07] Dorn Gustafson: put some ice
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: Tuesday morning came fast however
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: 5:30 AM
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: and I had the lack of a blog/forum to deal with
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: so I was updating my whiteboard page
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Release_Status_Whiteboard
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: it was a nice temp solution, but it will be good to get a proper place back
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: we promoted andrews maint-server branch to the main channel this week
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: there were quite a few fixes in there
* [15:09] Draconis Neurocam: yay
* [15:09] Dorn Gustafson: does it get a raise too?
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: as well as threaded rez enabled by default
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: what is the consensus?
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: is it a keeper?
* [15:09] Lares Carter: heya everyone
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: it better be because coyot doesn't want to do a rollback today
* [15:09] Dorn Gustafson: I dont know enought to vote
* [15:09] Draconis Neurocam: ive not seen problems
* [15:09] Rex Cronon: hey
* [15:09] Marigold Devin: I've not been logged in enough since yet
* [15:10] Marigold Devin: Alt said it seemed ok tho
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: other than that the releases were simple this week
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: we merged maint-server as trunk into the 3 other branches
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: Magnum is the only one that has new code
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: 2 bug fixes
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: 
* [15:10] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#SVC-6781|JIRA-helper: [#SVC-6781]]: 
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: and some streamlined code regarding objects pending deletion on the server
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: "Some people may notice a slight improvement in regions with heavy object creationg/deletion. (Maestro claims he saw his object-creation benchmark speed up from 14 obj/sec to 17 obj/sec. Nothing was changed in object creation, however we did clean up object deletion, and Maestro's benchmark deletes objects as fast as they are created.)"
* [15:11] Dorn Gustafson: I am using viewer 2 and I like it now that I found how to make the view and move things floating :)
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: if you do not see similar improvements in deleting objects you can blame maestro
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: I mean andrew
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: maestro. anything to talk about in regards to those fixes?
* [15:13] Maestro Linden: Hm not really.
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: alright then
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: you've heard it from the maestro himself
* [15:13] Eddi Decosta: back, sorry
* [15:13] Maestro Linden: the fix is intended to address a cumulative increase in 'lag' from object deletions as sims increase their uptime
* [15:13] Sigma Avro: there has blol, would wait one week without roll restart to check that this bug is fixed, very anoyning
* [15:14] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Simon Linden has arrived
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: blol?
* [15:14] Sigma Avro: sorry typo. When was it fixed ?
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: when was what fixed?
* [15:14] Eddi Decosta: blol, its a new coffee cup 
* [15:14] Sigma Avro: 22 ok
* [15:14] Maestro Linden: the object deletion performance issue?
* [15:15] Dorn Gustafson: I have a "New Folder" in my Inventory and I cannot delete it... but that not a major problem I don't think
* [15:15] Sigma Avro: the previous scv 6781 with attachements
* [15:16] Sigma Avro: it is ok, it is in the jira, sorry Oskar
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: ok
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: moving along then
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: welcome Simon
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: we were planning on promoting BlueSteel's content management fixes next week
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: but... I've been investigating a crashing issue with it
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: has anyone seen anything like that?
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: rezzing an item and getting a warning about missing content from LSL error
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: then the sim crashes
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: it does not seem widespread
* [15:17] Flip Idlemind: Oooh is this another sim-crasher bounty hunt?
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: but I have at least one object that can crash any bluesteel region
* [15:18] Sigma Avro: who is in blue stell here ?
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: but it leaves the other regions alone
* [15:18] Sigma Avro: good griefer, lol
* [15:18] Dorn Gustafson: is it shaped like a horse?
* [15:18] Coyot Linden: well, the back end of one. :)
* [15:18] Dorn Gustafson: oh
* [15:18] Ash Qin: Do others see the error message if someone else rezzes the object?
* [15:19] Draconis Neurocam: neigh would have been a better response coyot
* [15:19] Dorn Gustafson: there are a lot of those horses around my house these days
* [15:19] Coyot Linden: LOL,, draconis
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: I think only the rezzer sees the errors
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: well let me know if you guys hear of anything
* [15:19] Rex Cronon: a horse rear crashing the server? oh boy:)
* [15:20] Draconis Neurocam: ill test some rezzers in bluesteel oskar
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: thanks draconis
* [15:21] Sigma Avro: yes, good sandboxes
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: kelly's mono2-aware branch is identical so no changes there
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: in the upcoming stuff bucket
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: we have a transparent config file upgrade maybe going out soon
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: has absolutely no relevence to anything you are working on and requires no rolling restarts
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: but I'm telling you anyways
* [15:23] Draconis Neurocam: server config?
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: server config to stop overlogging an event that was hosing our logging servers
* [15:23] Draconis Neurocam: ah
* [15:23] Rex Cronon: were u guys jocking about he horse thing?
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: we had the server log every time someone in group chat asked if group chat was fixed yet
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: and almost melted a datacenter
* [15:24] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
* [15:24] Oskar LindenOskar: Linden is lying
* [15:24] Flip Idlemind: Gosh that's terrible, but it reminds me. Is group chat fixed yet?
* [15:24] Draconis Neurocam: i wonder how many actually got through
* [15:24] Oskar LindenOskar: Linden smells smoke from down the hall
* [15:24] Sigma Avro: yes start talking of chat lag, and there are burst of messages everywhere
* [15:25] Rex Cronon: it must have been worse than a dos:)
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: and speaking of chat... let's talk abou XMPP
* [15:25] RedMokum Bravin: I can do without group chat in general... but Second Life Beta was horrible this week.
* [15:25] TankMaster Finesmith: gez around? :P
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: I believe we are on the verge of a project vwr to connect to the XMPP servers on ADITI
* [15:25] Sigma Avro: oh !
* [15:25] Dorn Gustafson: uop-psdn s 's p ou op
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: oh hey look, my DarkStar DVD just came from Netflix
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: yay
* [15:25] Sigma Avro: lol
* [15:25] TankMaster Finesmith: >.>
* [15:25] Draconis Neurocam: going to have to get a lot of organized people to test that i imagine, will be fun
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: 'organized people' ?
* [15:26] Draconis Neurocam: well
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: organized people do not use SecondLife
* [15:26] Draconis Neurocam: most people arnt always in the same group
* [15:26] TankMaster Finesmith: collection of mis-matched people
* [15:26] Marigold Devin: Ha - got that right
* [15:26] Homeless: that: would be a very small crowd
* [15:26] Guest475394: hi: 
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: anyways, I will give out details on that as I have them
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: the blog upgrades are well on their way this week
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: I'm sure you've wondered why the blogs and forums are so quiet
* [15:27] Draconis Neurocam: they went to slu
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: they have been read only since Sunday
* [15:27] Marigold Devin: Everyone seems to have defected to SLUniverse.
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: that's fine :-)
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: they'll be back
* [15:28] Rex Cronon: btw. your certificate has expired
* [15:28] TankMaster Finesmith: they know, see grid status
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: I had a fun time with a video stream of my whiteboard last week
* [15:28] Marigold Devin: They'll be destroyed if the post count goes back to zero
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: thanks for those who tuned in to watch me play hangman
* [15:28] Draconis Neurocam: they are working on that rex, i was just at the community tools meeting
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: congrats to Gooden for winning
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: sadly the stream died and I have been snowed out of the office
* [15:29] Lares Carter: ah, i missed that - when will the stream be up again? oh nevermind
* [15:29] Dorn Gustafson: why is my rendering cost 175 if I have no attachments?
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: so I can't restart it
* [15:29] Rex Cronon: u should make your whiteboard intereactiv in sl:0
* [15:29] Rex Cronon: i mean :)
* [15:29] Coyot Linden: MoAP
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: vwr 2 rendering costs were refactored to be more accurate
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: it could work
* [15:30] Sigma Avro: is formula avalaible somewhere ?
* [15:30] Dorn Gustafson: so it is just kind of a estimate?
* [15:30] Coyot Linden: e=mc^2
* [15:30] Sigma Avro: *revised one
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: you'll have to ask Nyx
* [15:30] Sigma Avro: lol
* [15:30] Homeless: x/0: 
* [15:30] Draconis Neurocam: e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0
* [15:30] Coyot Linden: lol
* [15:30] Sigma Avro: it is an aprximation this, ^probably,
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: it's more accurate than it was
* [15:30] Dorn Gustafson: I thought maybe my ears were too big :)
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: I know that much
* [15:31] Sigma Avro: interesting to know what else cosniders as costly in rendering,
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: Log. how is the download queue work coming along?
* [15:31] Dorn Gustafson: I found nice hair that is only 6 prims :)
* [15:31] Sigma Avro: and 6 1024 textures, ,lol
* [15:32] RedMokum Bravin: Sigma :-)
* [15:32] Dorn Gustafson: is it best to have small textures?
* [15:32] Homeless: remove: all attachments, make av invisible
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: perhaps Log has stepped away :-)
* [15:32] shamus: whats: wrong with 1024 textures there nice
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: Maestro, anything coming up from you?
* [15:32] Draconis Neurocam: smaller textures cause less load on video cards
* [15:32] Dorn Gustafson: ok thank you
* [15:32] Maestro Linden: oh, just more small bug fixes
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: bug fixes is good
* [15:33] Maestro Linden: such as... SVC-5959
* [15:33] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5959: 
* [#SVC-5959] Groups notices: sent to email do not identify sender 
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: well well
* [15:33] Log Linden: back, sorry
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: I'm sure some here will be happy about that
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: there's Log
* [15:33] Sigma Avro: svc-5959
* [15:33] Gooden Uggla: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-.
* [15:33] Dorn Gustafson: Yaaay!
* [15:33] Maestro Linden: though actually, I just tested that on aditi, and right now we identify the sender and not the group name (which is also bad =P )
* [15:33] Gooden Uggla: thanks maestro!
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: news flash. Linden Lab realizes that SVC- bug numbers are not the year they are supposed to be fixed by
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: anyway, andrew's redoing the fix now
* [15:34] Draconis Neurocam: someone also mentioned that transaction history apparently only shows display names
* [15:34] Gooden Uggla: thanks andrew!
* [15:34] shamus: so: svc-22 will be fixed befor 2022
* [15:34] Log Linden: we're planning to have the test plan ready to go by the end of tomorrow
* [15:34] Rex Cronon: is it the nr of votes required to work on them;)
* [15:34] Dorn Gustafson: well we will all be gone next year anyhoot :)
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: hm that's probably a WEB issue, draconis.. I think transactions are logged by agent_id, so the website should be able to show username isntead
* [15:35] Draconis Neurocam: ah
* [15:35] Maestro Linden: but it's probably worth reporting if there isn't already a Jira out there..
* [15:36] Coyot Linden: which transaction history?
* [15:36] Draconis Neurocam: the one for your account for money and object transfers im guessing
* [15:36] Sigma Avro: in private accounts Coyoy
* [15:36] Gooden Uggla: L$ and object
* [15:36] Coyot Linden: okay, not the one on the marketplace
* [15:37] Gooden Uggla: correct, not lindex
* [15:37] Gooden Uggla: and not lindex*
* [15:37] Coyot Linden: just trying to narrow this down a bit
* [15:37] Dorn Gustafson: I like marketplace better now that it is part of SL :)
* [15:37] Maestro LindenMaestro: Linden wishes we had unique names for those
* [15:37] RedMokum Bravin: The support desk seems to know less and less about technical issues these days... is there any contact between LL and the Scouts lately?
* [15:38] Gooden Uggla: maestro is on another hunt to "remove the stupid"...
* [15:38] Oskar LindenOskar: Linden wishes we had kept display names just as display names and not unique identifiers
* [15:38] Sigma Avro: well, Market place, merchants complains many delivery failures for the moment, should be followed seems to me for good health of sl
* [15:38] shamus: will: those new fangled web profiules replace the clasic profiles i like my oldscholl profiles
* [15:39] Flip Idlemind: Whats the status on that thing where marketplace will use a special inventory folder instead of a magic box
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: no idea FLIP
* [15:39] Dorn Gustafson: I never had a problem and I buy lots of things
* [15:39] Sigma Avro: me too a lot of beers, lol
* [15:40] Nex: Wonder: how that special inventory delivery will affect me since my own delivery network will be stuck with magic box-esque type things
* [15:40] Rex Cronon: no more magick boxes?
* [15:40] Dorn Gustafson: maybe they are busy or away or something
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: this was a pretty light week from a release POV. It was however our first week without Lil Linden
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: so it was good to take it easy
* [15:40] TankMaster Finesmith: that... would be handy
* [15:40] Sigma Avro: well, was speaking of merchants that sell, lol. Even a few failures by week seems disturbing for them : reputation in cause
* [15:41] Marigold DevinMarigold: Devin quietly sobs at the loss of Ambroff too
* [15:41] Gooden Uggla: no Lil? what happened?
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: and ambroff
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: Lil and Ambroff have left
* [15:41] Gooden Uggla: oh noes, not ambroff!
* [15:41] Coyot Linden: Lil left before I cut him down in my brutal climb to the top. :)
* [15:41] Gooden Uggla: he fixed the unfixable!'
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: i know
* [15:42] Marigold Devin: google Ambroff, he's one interesting young man
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: and I have one more departure to announce
* [15:42] Dorn Gustafson: most vendors are very kind
* [15:42] Gooden Uggla: oh geez, who now?
* [15:42] Draconis Neurocam: hmm
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: it is with great sadness that I announce the departure of dear Enus Linden
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: my boss for more than 2 years
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: T_T
* [15:42] Gooden Uggla: damn
* [15:42] Sigma Avro: no please dont tell it Oskar, it is enough for today
* [15:42] Maestro Linden: =^.^= Enus Linden!
* [15:42] Draconis Neurocam: it looks like that isnt the case, i just looked at mine, thats what i get for taking other peoples words
* [15:42] Lunchmeat: ouch: 
* [15:42] Marigold Devin: Are you poisoning them all, Oskar?
* [15:42] Eddi Decosta: not Enus?
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: it's not me MGD
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: tomorrow is his last day
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: and I'm sad
* [15:43] Dorn Gustafson: gosh how you keep track of all the Lindens?
* [15:43] Coyot Linden: Speaking of brutal climbs to the top...
* [15:43] Sigma Avro: Never heard about Enus, sorry
* [15:43] Gooden Uggla: if i had to guess they're going to real companies that pay them better
* [15:43] Eddi Decosta: aw..
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: I worked at a Real company once
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: we released a Real player
* [15:43] Draconis Neurocam: terrible to see enus go
* [15:43] Gooden Uggla: you never heard about enus because he was effective, low-key and immensely talented
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: we had a Real jukebox
* [15:43] Marigold Devin: oh heck shhhh you'll have the sky is falling in crew starting up when this hits the Wiki transcripts
* [15:43] Dorn Gustafson: SL is wonderful and its nice everyone tries to make it better and better
* [15:43] Draconis Neurocam: was philip cto when you were there oskar?
* [15:43] TankMaster Finesmith: which is a Real Joke
* [15:44] Lunchmeat: It: was Real bad
* [15:44] TankMaster Finesmith: >.>
* [15:44] Sigma Avro: am sorry for you, talents leaving and friends, it is always a pain
* [15:44] Rex Cronon: more layoffs?
* [15:44] Coyot Linden: no
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: Philip was not there when I started at Real. he had already left by then
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: these are not layoffs
* [15:44] Maestro Linden: So, we've also had an arrival this week
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: these are people moving to new jobs
* [15:44] Rex Cronon: ok
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: oh right
* [15:44] Dorn Gustafson: does Tory Linden only make videos?
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: tell us who it is Maestro
* [15:44] RedMokum Bravin: Can we expect someone new on customer relations please????
* [15:44] Maestro Linden: he's Bagman, the new VP of engineering
* [15:44] Marigold Devin: Torley you mean, Dorn?
* [15:44] Sigma Avro: Torley
* [15:44] Lunchmeat: Tell: Tell
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: Bagman Linden
* [15:44] Gooden Uggla: i wouldn't imagine they were oskar, those guys were probably the targets of half the headhunters in the biz
* [15:44] Draconis Neurocam: ooh
* [15:44] Dorn Gustafson: oh yeah Torley
* [15:45] Draconis Neurocam: new hires for ll is always good news
* [15:45] Lunchmeat: ohh: Baggers
* [15:45] Draconis Neurocam: that list of jobs that need to be filled is getting larger
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: He has worked with Rodvik a lot in the past
* [15:45] Dorn Gustafson: oh I have to tell you something...
* [15:45] Dorn Gustafson: oh I have to mention something, my friend had a Linden House, it was a hobbit house, and even when we were the only 2 people there, it was very laggy...
* [15:45] Sigma Avro: By the way, this is the only users group that has actually a group
* [15:46] Marigold Devin: Amanda's group seemed to be a big group last week.
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: yes, the linden homes regions can get a tad laggy
* [15:46] Gooden Uggla: one would imagine that rodvik would bring a few peop0le over with him
* [15:46] Sigma Avro: they are good to mimk tokyo region
* [15:46] Nex: Dorn: Well what type of laggy? There are three types of lag: client, server, network..?
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: yes
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: and Dorn is gone
* [15:47] Sigma Avro: About mesh, region are often claimed full
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: full?
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: really?
* [15:47] Maestro Linden: full of prims? or avatars?
* [15:47] Sigma Avro: or is it that viewer has fixed bug ?
* [15:47] Gooden Uggla: prims or people?
* [15:48] Gooden Uggla: whart maestro said
* [15:48] Homeless: full: of water?
* [15:48] TankMaster Finesmith: full of beer
* [15:48] Sigma Avro: Well, could not load a dae for 2 weeks, and today worked
* [15:48] Draconis Neurocam: i think he means prims
* [15:48] Gooden Uggla: beere? *perk* where?
* [15:48] Sigma Avro: oh, Maestro, of prims
* [15:49] Lares Carter: Oskar, the bug that the new web profiles always show Agni profiles, even in Aditi - its a viewer side issue?
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: we had a big meeting about that this morning Lares
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: it was a surprise to me as well
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: it was a matter of a lack of communication
* [15:50] TankMaster Finesmith: yeah, cant set your display name for the beta grid on 2.5
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: the web profiles on ADITI can be accessed through a config
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: I mean an application parameter
* [15:50] TankMaster Finesmith: that i could find anyway
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: it was an oversight
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: I'm sorry it happened
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: the social team is updating login.cgi to take care of it
* [15:51] Lares Carter: So its getting fixed soon?
* [15:51] TankMaster Finesmith: ok
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: not sure how soon
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: but yes
* [15:51] Lares Carter: Thanks, it was a bit in the way of testing some stuff.
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: right, I understand and I apologize.
* [15:52] Nex: Was: kinda annoyed that the search in 1.23 was switched for profiles, since I can't open profiles or IM people anymore
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: We've been working with the Social team to be more communicative of these kinds of changes
* [15:52] Psi Merlin: Web profiles managed to lose my profile :(
* [15:53] RedMokum Bravin: Is anyone in particular in charge of that Social team?
* [15:53] RedMokum Bravin: Very difficult to find out who's who these days.
* [15:53] Coyot LindenCoyot: Linden knows
* [15:53] Sigma Avro: well, yes n good idea, sl "who's who", lol
* [15:54] RedMokum Bravin: Especially since there seems to be nobody for customer relations.
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: I'll get the ADITI web profiles info to you as soon as I can
* [15:54] RedMokum Bravin: And the Scouts make a mess of support.
* [15:54] Draconis Neurocam: Fredrik Linden i thought
* [15:54] Coyot Linden: ^^^ correct
* [15:54] Homeless: who: are Scouts?
* [15:54] Rex Cronon: kind of weird that the social team isn't socializng. like having OH
* [15:54] RedMokum Bravin: The outsourced helpdesk, Homeless.
* [15:54] Draconis Neurocam: theres a my.secondlife meeting next week
* [15:55] Draconis Neurocam: usergroup thing
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: there you go
* [15:55] RedMokum Bravin: This week I wanted to report a huge abandoned plot that was still full of prims. Instead of handing the case to Guy Linden, the Scouts told me that the problem would go away if I would use the latest official viewer. >:-)
* [15:55] Sigma Avro: last dicovery
* [15:55] Draconis Neurocam: thats hilarious redmokum
* [15:56] Marigold Devin: ridiculous! And frustrating too
* [15:56] Marigold Devin: Ya try to keep the place nice and get a response like that!
* [15:56] Homeless: autoreturn: should be set to something when land is abandoned
* [15:56] Draconis Neurocam: it isnt always
* [15:56] Marigold Devin: Half of them don't even login and come into SL it seems
* [15:56] Draconis Neurocam: and theres lots of abandoned parcels on mainland
* [15:56] RedMokum Bravin: A friend of mine who is on Marketplace had a live chat with a scout. The scout told her "Marketplace no longer exists, it has been replaced by XStreet SL".
* [15:56] Master Starship: oh oskar where is the white board?
* [15:56] Ash Qin: Scouts told me that unblocking an IP address i was trying to use to access Second life would essentially destroy Second life
* [15:57] Marigold Devin: Maybe they need to employ some more moles to look out for this kind of thing
* [15:57] Nex: LOL: 
* [15:57] Sigma Avro: oh, there is a problem with llteleporthome :: there is no way to avoid one to "set home here"
* [15:57] Coyot Linden: Red: about SLM, that is actually true
* [15:57] Sigma Avro: security breach I mean
* [15:57] Coyot Linden: The name is changed
* [15:57] Ash Qin: I decided to give them technical reasons as to why it would not, and they haven't responded since :<
* [15:57] Rex Cronon: u should make a page: scouts horror stories:)
* [15:58] RedMokum Bravin: Coyot: wasn't it the other way round????
* [15:58] Coyot Linden: Right, sorry
* [15:58] Nex: Coyot: Wait so it has been renamed from XStreet SL to Marketplace and back from Marketplace to XStreet SL again? :P
* [15:58] Coyot Linden: No, I misread Red
* [15:58] Coyot Linden: sorry
* [15:58] Marigold DevinMarigold: Devin throws a shoe at Coyot
* [15:58] Coyot LindenCoyot: Linden ducks
* [15:58] RedMokum Bravin: (the problem was that magic boxes seemed not to work as they should)
* [15:59] Marigold Devin: Oskar's already gone to watch DarkStar, I can see it over his shoulder
* [15:59] Gooden Uggla: has anyone heard anything from Kelly recently? is out intrepid hero making progress?
* [15:59] Nex: Yeh,: I had a magic box break on me badly, it was odd
* [15:59] Marigold Devin: ;-P
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: shh, let Kelly work
* [15:59] RedMokum Bravin: Oh, has Kelly's group started yet?
* [16:00] Draconis Neurocam: i actually asked amanda about kelly's user group, she said its on her todo list
* [16:00] Gooden Uggla: nothing on the usergroup page yet
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: alright guys it is now 4 o'clock :-)
* [16:00] Rex Cronon: kelly shows sometimes at andrew's oh
* [16:00] Marigold Devin: midnight for Marigold
* [16:00] RedMokum Bravin: 1 AM here.
* [16:00] Sigma Avro: well, tks Oskar, Maestro, Simon, Coyot
* [16:00] RedMokum Bravin: (here=Amsterdam)
* [16:00] RedMokum Bravin: Thanks all.
* [16:00] Rex Cronon: tc oskar
* [16:00] Draconis Neurocam: All the lindens, everything is much appretiated, take care of yourselves
* [16:00] Psi Merlin: Thanks
* [16:00] Rex Cronon: tc everybody
* [16:00] Marigold Devin: Thanks - its been informative and funny in bits
* [16:01] Rex Cronon: have fun:)
* [16:01] Maestro Linden: thanks for coming, everybody
* [16:01] Marigold Devin: But Babelfish didn't translate it all for me.
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: I gotta run to my last 1on1 with Enus
* [16:01] Simon Linden: Bye everyone
* [16:01] Coyot Linden: We're happy to have had you
* [16:01] RedMokum BravinRedMokum: Bravin wonders where Latif was.
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: thanks for stopping by everyone
* [16:01] Gooden Uggla: let us know where enus goes please
* [16:01] Coyot Linden: If you've been happy to be be had. :)
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: l8r)