Doc Team/2010-05-05

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== Transcript ==
[13:00]	:	friendly greetings!
[13:00]	:	Normally there's several people here at this time.
[13:00]	:	Evening Torley
[13:00]	:	oh good.
[13:00]	:	This object is not for sale.
[13:00]	:	It is quiet yes
[13:00]	:	I was worried about where folks were.
[13:01]	:	ooh i wonder why it's so quiet!
[13:01]	:	i just got here myself from Cheese (yes, that's the region name), a rather crazy place
[13:01]	:	well 64.000 online
[13:02]	:	Hiya
[13:02]	:	Hey there
[13:02]	:	Mari!
[13:02]	:	Well, folks will show up soon enough.
[13:02]	:	so what's new and exciting with you guys?
[13:02]	:	Hey Dawny! All your password stuff got worked out okay?
[13:02]	:	I hope so!
[13:02]	:	lol
[13:02]	:	Hi Torley!
[13:02]	:	Got an answer on my ticket fast btw!
[13:02]	:	i was reading the Viewer 2.1 forthcoming goodness announcement... http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2010/05/05/on-the-road-to-viewer-21
[13:02]	:	cool
[13:03]	:	I got 1,000L off a rug because one of scripts was badly broken. Builder gave me a new one.
[13:03]	:	Entering god mode, level 200
[13:03]	:	Multiple attachment and layers will be fun
[13:03]	:	Some of the changes will also make my life a lot easier
[13:03]	:	Your image post has arrived at blogHUD.com []: see http://bloghud.com/id/39525
[13:03]	:	As for more general stuff - not much to report. Lag is killing me in my sim.
[13:04]	:	An ya, I've jes been busy keepin my l'il note to th' grindstone with th' big Bay City shindig comin up in two weeks
[13:04]	:	yes! multi-wearables and multi-attachments have been wanted for crazy... forever
[13:04]	:	what kind of lag are we talkin' about, Flenser?
[13:04]	:	We're hoping that new smaller Mall area can reduce lag some.
[13:04]	:	Oh ya. I s'pect there will be a lot of cheering in Raglan Shire and the Luskwood over multi attachments
[13:05]	:	At th' same time, I've a friend still using a PPC Mac. Can really see the divide there a-growin
[13:05]	:	Is just a lot of lag due to clutter. And I still cann't get a good handle on scrits - we have over 1,300 there now.
[13:05]	:	I don't want to be mean and nasty sim owner but we have to get those under control.
[13:06]	:	yeah Mari, it's a tough thing, and why things like being able to set your graphics to Low is still important
[13:07]	:	i don't know of any practical solution to the technological divide except for getting a better computer
[13:07]	:	I agree. A-course, with them bein on a PPC, well, they can't even use 2.0 features
[13:07]	:	even Apple's phased out PPC support with Snow Leopard
[13:07]	:	yup. Glad I got my Intel Mac a bit ago
[13:08]	:	the 2.0 code will compile for PPC its the plugin system thats not working
[13:08]	:	and that really kinda defeats the point
[13:08]	:	ouch
[13:08]	:	Ya
[13:08]	:	in some respects though, some computer development appears to have stabilized
[13:08]	:	HOLY PARTICLES
[13:08]	:	/me stpes aside for Quaid
[13:09]	:	Quaid, Totoro? :)
[13:09]	:	hehe
[13:09]	:	Hello Torley
[13:09]	:	hello all
[13:09]	:	or should I say friendly greetings!
[13:09]	:	Hiya Derek
[13:09]	:	See alll sorts of folks attending these meetings.
[13:09]	:	some of the current Macs aren't all that different on the outside than the end of the G5 era
[13:10]	:	brushed aluminium is still in style
[13:10]	:	hahahah Quaid :D
[13:10]	:	That's one of my favorite things about some of th office hours, Flenser. In some ways, they're a great "salon" of people form all over SL, an people who experience different parts of this world than I
[13:10]	:	its a shame apple don't bite the bullet and allow its OS to be installed on any intel gear
[13:10]	:	that must be why apple likes it it its uis
[13:10]	:	It's sorta like geting all the blind men together, and really gettign a good view of the elephant
[13:11]	:	/me grins as he sees the book Torley has
[13:11]	:	I installed an internal hard drive in my mac pro today and it's just as beautiful inside
[13:11]	:	...if a little dusty
[13:11]	:	*cough*
[13:11]	:	I installed a hard drive today also
[13:11]	:	Ya, I recall havin t'crawl around in my old G4, with the side door. Greally nicely done
[13:11]	:	*hi-fives*
[13:11]	:	Really*
[13:11]	:	hehehe i'm into arcane texts
[13:12]	:	got rid of the dusty case tho and shoved it all in a clean new one :)
[13:12]	:	which HD, KirstenLee?
[13:12]	:	ɐɥɐɥɐɥ ǝʌısuǝdxǝ
[13:12]	:	samsung spinpoint F3
[13:12]	:	Spending some quality time with the necronomicon, Torley?
[13:12]	:	/me installed a hard drive over the weekend, on a Ubuntu system.
[13:12]	:	currently the fastest mechanical drive around
[13:12]	:	Kate and Jon Linden can't make it here today and Jeremy's still coming back from representing us at a technical writer's convention, he and Rand Linden were presenting how Viewer Help in 2.0 works
[13:12]	:	Dawny that totally make me rotate my head, hahaha
[13:13]	:	yes Mari, books like this have great power... ;)
[13:13]	:	px
[13:13]	:	this avatar gets me all sorts of reactions at meetings, it's hilarious
[13:13]	:	Must have been a really big convention.
[13:13]	:	I'll wait f'r the coloring book version fo the necronomicon. What color is the oher side of space, anyway?
[13:13]	:	other*
[13:13]	:	aparently my telepoofer has the same effect lol
[13:13]	:	lol
[13:14]	:	the same color as the color of magic, if you're familiar with Terry Pratchett ;)
[13:14]	:	*wonders what Torley's holding in his right hand*
[13:14]	:	/me acks "I need to write for later tonight, that or find a good piece of audio for HPL litereary group".
[13:14]	:	Oh ya~
[13:14]	:	if anyone has any video tutorial suggestions for me or help articles in general we should have up, let me know. i think i need to make something explaining how links (as used in avatar outfits) work, because there's confusion
[13:15]	:	my right hand possesses the magic of a weatherumbrella wherein it rains from the inside out!!
[13:15]	:	Please, Torley. Also any tips on updating those links
[13:15]	:	im a bit confused on the outfits tab myself
[13:15]	:	i'm just generally a big fan of visions that drive people insane, Flenser
[13:15]	:	Marianne, updating how? i know there are some bugs with them, like if you rez a no-copy original object that's linked, it breaks the link, even if you take the object back into your inventory.
[13:15]	:	If you rename an article of clothing that the Outfit tab links to, does it automatically update its link?
[13:16]	:	Ya, basically that. Updating links. But sounds like yer on it
[13:16]	:	yeah, there are going to be some better ways in 2.1 (planned) and onwards to make links behave more understandably, but stopgap measures are better than none
[13:16]	:	renaming should work, yes Cisop.
[13:16]	:	thanks
[13:17]	:	links are tracked by UUID
[13:17]	:	That outfits tab is so good, too. One of the best unsung V2 features
[13:17]	:	/me loves the outfit tab.
[13:17]	:	yeah, Outfits tab and Wearing tab are basically all those requests for a better "see what i'm wearing"
[13:17]	:	or "what i can wear"
[13:17]	:	Ya. It's probably yhe feature that, for me, sent me to the Viewer 2 "dark side"
[13:17]	:	are the things in the outfit tab just a mirror of groups odf things in your inventory or actual copys of things?
[13:18]	:	*of
[13:18]	:	another confusing thing we need to straighten out tho, is since Make Outfit makes *links*, not copies of the items themselves, in some cases people are editing an item used in several outfits when they only intended it to change for a single outfit
[13:18]	:	Ya...
[13:18]	:	I'm not sure how off topic this is everyone, but could someone please point me in the direction of gigging advice, I'd love to perform a piano recital within second life and maybe some delightful improvisation :)
[13:18]	:	Derek, both, if by "mirror" you mean a link/alias/shortcut.
[13:18]	:	yeah
[13:19]	:	There are mixers that can plug into usb.
[13:19]	:	Quaid, i presume you've attended recent concerts? sometimes the best info comes from the performers themselves. there have been some pages on how to do it but they're fairly scarce.
[13:19]	:	/me needs tou readmore about it lol
[13:19]	:	*to
[13:19]	:	You'd use a stream like with winamp - only woulkd be live.
[13:19]	:	I know you've covered it in viewer2tips island an elsewhere, but maybe something that shows where and how to upload?
[13:19]	:	for example, http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Live_Performance_Home
[13:19]	:	I have attended a few concerts Torley but not any piano recitals per se
[13:19]	:	Mari, OH MY GOSH yes, that's one of the "buried" things along with "how do i create a group", that's on my list
[13:20]	:	Quaid, the principles are the same if someone has a mic attached to an electronic piano or recording an acoustic one...
[13:21]	:	thanks I'd ideally like to use my MIDI keyboard with one of the EW pianos
[13:21]	:	Ask around. One of best places to get a stream is from nEo Stream.
[13:21]	:	The grid outage of last week with it's inventory server not found error had me concerned about backing up my inventory. Is there anyway for the end user to do this, or are we at the mercy of fate?
[13:21]	:	I'll give you a LM.
[13:22]	:	Cisop, there are some 3rd-party tools that purport to help with this on Xstreet and elsewhere but i don't have firsthand experience there. one thing you can do wish copies of items is if you put them into a cube's contents and rez it somewhere reliable, that provides a sort of backup outside of your inventory.
[13:22]	:	that grid outage made us all very, very sad.
[13:23]	:	Thanks for the info.
[13:23]	:	Ya, I actually have three boxes spread out in three different places on the grid, each containing the stuff I totally can not lose. All of my shape, ekin, etc. My products, etc.
[13:24]	:	you're welcome, inventory loss is one of those universal pains...
[13:24]	:	Still not a 100% solution, but awful darn close
[13:24]	:	Mari, that sounds kind of epic like a scavenger hunt movie.
[13:24]	:	after 4 or 5 years here i look forward to a little loss sometimes helps keep the numbers down...
[13:24]	:	digital natural selection at work
[13:24]	:	Heh. Especially with all the nooks an crannies I know on th' grid!
[13:25]	:	i dont have much inventory lodd but for some reason it never fetches fully, im allways missing 1000-5000 things
[13:25]	:	*loss
[13:25]	:	i hav concluded i think its my isp
[13:25]	:	i wouldnt miss a 1000 things...
[13:26]	:	/me may be one of the few folks on the grid that still knows where LL scavenger hunt objects and 206-era Linden box dispensors are location. She's not proud of this.
[13:26]	:	I have about 10,000 things.
[13:26]	:	2006*
[13:26]	:	i try to keep my inventory under 10,000 items and trash/archive older stuff, or things i have no clue what the heck are
[13:26]	:	10,000?
[13:26]	:	/me hides her 60k inventory, which she's also not that proud of
[13:26]	:	i usually wouldnt either but i find sometimes the things that dont load are more recent ones
[13:26]	:	lol
[13:26]	:	it used to be 7,500 but i struggled with that
[13:26]	:	yus i really should be more brutal with mine floating around 25k atm
[13:27]	:	part of the problems are in the tools themselves, if inventory had something more like Spotlight it'd be easier to organize
[13:27]	:	and i only have 32,000 at max things
[13:27]	:	I have 36.000 items
[13:27]	:	i wish we could put nested folders in an object's contents too, that'd make it easier to archive.
[13:27]	:	Agreed, Torley. Long have ewanted nested folders in object inventory.
[13:28]	:	Perhaps more than I've wanted nexted links!
[13:28]	:	That would be sweet.
[13:28]	:	and Mari, you should be proud, you're one of the few who knows these rare culture spots a lot of people just pass over... it's good to know our history here
[13:28]	:	it's Wyn and KarenKate!
[13:28]	:	Nested folders and a way to use full scree so we can cut and paste easily.
[13:28]	:	Surprise! I live!
[13:28]	:	Hi ㋡
[13:29]	:	P'rhaps so, Torley. It's more than a little obsessive on my part
[13:29]	:	/me winks
[13:29]	:	"i live" always makes me think of Sinistar for some reason... "I LIVE... I HUNGER"
[13:29]	:	oh that's the best kind of obsession, Mari. when i was totally new i was asking around for all the old-timer's tales.
[13:29]	:	/me remembers Sinistar.
[13:29]	:	Cyn Linden has an island called Cynistar ;)
[13:29]	:	Cool
[13:29]	:	she's the subject of many Cynful puns
[13:30]	:	's what I do, Torley. Right now busy hunting up details on the Varney Boardwalk abd Yamato Town
[13:30]	:	:)
[13:30]	:	i bet ya know many of these Mari, http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/Historical_Locations
[13:30]	:	The former 'cuz my brother has some of the former boadwalk land, the later to try to help the LDPW with some restoration efforts
[13:31]	:	Oh ya. I think I actually wrote some of that page. Definitely of the pages it links off to
[13:31]	:	/me grins
[13:31]	:	Linden village is an historical location? :-)
[13:31]	:	/me waves
[13:31]	:	/me makes note to visit these locations
[13:31]	:	sorry I'm late. :p
[13:32]	:	the root sure are, Aargle. founded in 2005.
[13:32]	:	There's some that aren't on there, too, like the Furu Pyramid
[13:32]	:	led by Pathfinder at the time and i liked what he was doing so i joined in.
[13:33]	:	/me chuckles
[13:33]	:	I was just teasing about that a bit.
[13:34]	:	meow
[13:34]	:	i paid a visit to the internet archive was looking at events in SL from 2004 was such a blast from the past :)
[13:34]	:	i don't know if we're still even expanding Linden Village tho, i know a lot of newer Lindens have internal, non-public "homes" but i haven't seen this part of the world branch out
[13:34]	:	it's funny how the color scheme of the current secondlife.com website looks dark in parts as it did in 2003 ;)
[13:35]	:	/me murmurs 'come to the dark side'
[13:35]	:	some projects alas faded or were put on hold as various Lindens left LL
[13:35]	:	meow hello everyone meow
[13:35]	:	but one thing that gets repeated a lot internally is the importance of "Walk in our Residents' shoes!"
[13:36]	:	/me waves at skykat
[13:36]	:	Colossus Linden did a deep exercise into finding out how much the recent grid outages hurt, not just emotionally but the financial aspects to Resident businesses... there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes i encourage more Lindens to share directly if they can.
[13:36]	:	anytime QA want to test viewers in Ahern with me there welcome ;)
[13:37]	:	what's new and exciting with your viewer lately, KirstenLee?
[13:37]	:	next release has some new user designed skins
[13:38]	:	㋡
[13:38]	:	cool cant wait
[13:38]	:	a young lady called ginger has done a lovely parchment style
[13:38]	:	Cool, looking forward to that. :)
[13:38]	:	oooh, i like parchment and vintage designs.
[13:38]	:	KLs viewers are turning out really nice
[13:38]	:	accessorizing is a lot of fun.
[13:39]	:	i want to give advance notice that i need to go early, in about 10 minutes. why? because DJ Linden is gonna teach Claudia Linden and myself how to use Adobe Connect with Shared Media.
[13:39]	:	so for this, i apologize in advance.
[13:39]	:	how would one go about designing there own skin for your viewer Kirsten?
[13:39]	:	ok. No problems with leaving early.
[13:39]	:	np... I'm just glad the Lindens make time for meetings
[13:40]	:	its bedtime for us too ;)
[13:40]	:	oh i sure enjoy hanging out and chatting, Aargle. thanks!
[13:40]	:	before you go Torley I just want to say how beautiful Ravenelle's Magic Bus is, I would very much like to ride it
[13:40]	:	I'm actually gonna hafta buzz out now
[13:40]	:	Have fun, all!
[13:40]	:	easy grab the default folder, and change the included xml description to 'my cool skin' then mod away
[13:40]	:	Bye Bye!!
[13:40]	:	i wonder if we can make that in SL somehow, Quaid. i'll let her know you said that!
[13:40]	:	See you Marianne
[13:40]	:	take care Mari!
[13:41]	:	Bye Marianne
[13:41]	:	magic bus: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ravenelle/
[13:41]	:	/me waves
[13:41]	:	Ravenelle and i have been toying around with what we're gonna add to Here island next
[13:41]	:	great news :)
[13:41]	:	i will try it :P, (even if i expect to fail horrably XD)
[13:42]	:	if anyone here doesn't have land but you wanna practice terraforming, i have a place for that on Here too
[13:42]	:	Excelletn
[13:42]	:	it's like @ http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Here/32/37/ (and oh my gosh the map image is borked right now)
[13:42]	:	Be careful. :)
[13:42]	:	I have tweeted you a request to commission Ravenelle for my upcoming album
[13:42]	:	Have a question on terraforming....
[13:43]	:	Quaid, Ravenelle is also on twitter, @ravenelle =)
[13:43]	:	:O
[13:43]	:	I"m tempted to say "where?" and kck off a whole "who's on first" routine
[13:43]	:	the parcel is isolated so feel free to mess it up and terraform craggy peaks or sink it into the ocean
[13:43]	:	I let friend make change by gatehouse and he ended up with a little mountain there.
[13:43]	:	i just noticed something Kirsten, the lindens arnt blue on the minimap, was this planned or is it a bug? (just wondering)
[13:43]	:	blue?
[13:43]	:	Should they be blue?
[13:44]	:	on the ll viewer arnt the lindens on the minimap blue dots?
[13:44]	:	never seen them blue before
[13:44]	:	i have on v1 viewers
[13:44]	:	nope not as far as im aware
[13:44]	:	I've not seen them blue.
[13:44]	:	and purple ones are supposed to be friended lindens
[13:44]	:	usually if theres a linden on the minimap tey ae covered in green dots
[13:44]	:	no, Lindens aren't a different color in the LL Viewer.
[13:44]	:	hiding in the crowd
[13:44]	:	I think some one suggested that.
[13:44]	:	I've never seen them as blue.
[13:44]	:	I've seen some Linden's show up as a dark blue dot before.
[13:44]	:	oh i know lol
[13:45]	:	i bet it as in emerald where that was
[13:45]	:	i forgot
[13:45]	:	maybe on th emerald viewer but I dont use that crap
[13:45]	:	that would be sort of a fun game, blue dot chasing...
[13:45]	:	i remember when the world map was black n white
[13:45]	:	yeah Emerald does it, I can see it now
[13:45]	:	Never noticed Pathfinder as blue.
[13:45]	:	i personally like the blue dot feature
[13:45]	:	and new objects were white and got dark with age
[13:45]	:	Torley shows up as a green dot, but that seems sort of appropriate. :p
[13:46]	:	haha even better if i was a pink dot with a green outline
[13:46]	:	that would be PERFECT
[13:46]	:	lol
[13:46]	:	yea
[13:46]	:	it lets me know when there someone important around lol
[13:46]	:	torley needs to be a green and pink dot
[13:46]	:	/me grins
[13:46]	:	haha that would be cool, customisable dots :P
[13:46]	:	I vote for hot pink dots then with the green dots we got watermelon
[13:46]	:	then we could have some sort of avatar dot Twister or another party game with colored chips
[13:47]	:	/me wants a color changing dot
[13:47]	:	heh
[13:47]	:	:D
[13:47]	:	That would be a kind of cool feature, actually.
[13:47]	:	i like seeing dots swarm together, it cracks me up
[13:47]	:	done that.. join the dots with avatars
[13:47]	:	kinda like a color-changing mood ring?
[13:47]	:	takes some organising tho
[13:47]	:	or you know at football games, sometimes a bunch of people hold up signs or lights and they spell out something?
[13:47]	:	would be funny to get them all aranged so they say Linden
[13:47]	:	would be funny to do that with dots on the map
[13:48]	:	hehe
[13:48]	:	HAHAHAHAHA
[13:49]	:	i dont think i've seen many of these palces
[13:49]	:	Cannot complete attachment. An attachment is pending for that spot.
[13:49]	:	i laughed so hard i crashe XD
[13:49]	:	lol
[13:49]	:	*places
[13:49]	:	That's gotta hurt.
[13:49]	:	i've liked a lot of previous map art, how people have spelled things out in the sky
[13:49]	:	LOL
[13:49]	:	hahah
[13:49]	:	i once did one for my wife
[13:50]	:	how DO peopel spell things on the world map?
[13:50]	:	Really big letters
[13:50]	:	Derek, very carefully so there are no typos. hahaha.
[13:50]	:	prims
[13:50]	:	heh
[13:50]	:	hahaha
[13:50]	:	ɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥ
[13:50]	:	but how high/big do they need to be?
[13:50]	:	there are tools that can automate it though, you load in an image and it automatically breaks it down into a matrix.
[13:50]	:	This is a totally random questions. Do Linden Bears still exist? I remember trying to get one years ago, but I could never find a Linden in world.
[13:50]	:	*question
[13:50]	:	just above the cloud layer
[13:51]	:	and 10 meters in size
[13:51]	:	the Limits page claims "# Max Height that objects can be seen on the Sim Map: 400.005m "
[13:51]	:	hmmm "Sim Map" is incorrect, it should be "World Map"
[13:51]	:	*edits*
[13:51]	:	Edit, in my experience, some Lindens have them, some don't. Or at least, some are willing to pass them out and others are less willing.
[13:51]	:	oh that reminds me, but Torley
[13:51]	:	cool, i should try that
[13:51]	:	Torley has one
[13:51]	:	do you have a bear I can have?
[13:52]	:	hey torley, could i have a copy of your linden bear wile were on the subject?
[13:52]	:	/me has a collection, "That I need to update actually."
[13:52]	:	oh sure Derek and Bronson!
[13:52]	:	I want one too. [:
[13:52]	:	anyone else wanna bear? and then i gotta go =)
[13:52]	:	meow
[13:52]	:	Wow. I only have Tiggs and Teagan's.
[13:52]	:	Sure, I'd like a bear.
[13:52]	:	I could swear I had Blue's as well.
[13:52]	:	/me holds hands out
[13:52]	:	Yes, please, Torley!
[13:52]	:	Would be nice to have another bear.
[13:52]	:	/me holds out a paw
[13:52]	:	I got two from Blue ;)
[13:53]	:	/me jumps up and down from behind the couch
[13:53]	:	awwww
[13:53]	:	thanks Torley :)
[13:53]	:	Take care Torley nice to see you again
[13:53]	:	I'll have to ask again the next time I see Blue on the Shire
[13:53]	:	I'm starting collection on mantle of fireplace.
[13:53]	:	yay! thank you. [:
[13:53]	:	㋡
[13:53]	:	cool thanks
[13:53]	:	wheee bears for youuuu
[13:53]	:	ooo, texture pack! Bonus!
[13:53]	:	Thank you, Torley!
[13:53]	:	my bear is proof we've personally talked
[13:53]	:	:D
[13:53]	:	Have a good day, enjoy your meeting.
[13:53]	:	you're most welcome! everyone have a lovely Second Life and thanks for chatting with me!
[13:53]	:	btw Torley, Raglan starts ArtWalk this weekend!
[13:53]	:	Ok I am gonna check my bunnies and then to bed! have a great day/evening/night all!
[13:53]	:	And be careful of that book.
[13:54]	:	˙˙˙˙ʞǝǝʍ ʇxǝu llɐ noʎ ǝǝs
[13:54]	:	i'm going to post a new tip at http://secondlife.com/tnt tomorrow so check it out then ;D bye bye *waves and smiles, patting the book*
 
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