nyuuzyou/wikis huggingface dataset:
Minutes/2024-12-20

Present: MM, RL
Apologies: TM
* Administration
** and 
*** TM to post LCC, per Procedure to remove newsgroups#Moderated newsgroups.
** 
*** RL has set up a temporary STUMP instance for the group. He will now contact Greg Pfeil to confirm email addresses to use for notifications, group administration, etc.
** 
*** Last contact from Dan Mahoney on 2024-10-26. Agreed to defer consideration a while longer.
** 
*** Last contact from Jay Henning on 2024-10-31. RL wrote to him on 2024-12-04 requesting an update, but received no response. RL wrote again on 2024-12-16 asking him to reply before 2024-12-20 to let us know his intentions. Still no response.
** 
*** TM has been corresponding with Anthony about publicizing the change in moderatorship. Awaiting an update from Anthony before closing the MVI.
** 
*** On 2024-12-08 Terje wrote to the other two volunteers, offering to keep the approval address on his server. Awaiting further details.
** news.groups.proposals
*** The group's signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org. Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier. We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.
** 
*** TM still to prepare a group removal RFD.
** Moderated groups without moderators
*** TM and RL sent comments on the mass RFD via email. MM to prepare a new version that include these changes.
** news.admin.announce
*** TM has written to Tim Skirvin to ask if he is still interested in moderating the group.
** 
*** TM was going to write to JK to confirm that the robomoderation software could post submissions to the group rather than acknowledge them by email. Awaiting update from TM.
*** On 2024-12-10 Ivo Gandolfo wrote offering to run the autoresponder. Agreed to accept this offer; MM to get the new submission address from Ivo and notify the ISC.
* Infrastructure
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups: No further update from RL.
** Remote monitoring
*** MM has been investigating Munin but Debian packages only an older version.
*** MM liaising with Ivo Gandolfo to set up monitoring.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
* Misc
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress.
** BDCAM25: RL looked into bursary information, will notify TM about his eligibility.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2025-01-03

Present: MM, RL, TM
* Administration
** and 
*** TM to post LCC, per Procedure to remove newsgroups#Moderated newsgroups.
** 
*** RL to inform ISC of new submission address.
** 
*** Last contact from Dan Mahoney on 2024-10-26. Agreed to defer consideration a while longer.
** 
*** Last contact from Jay Henning on 2024-10-31. RL wrote to him on 2024-12-04 requesting an update, but received no response. RL wrote again on 2024-12-16 asking him to reply before 2024-12-20 to let us know his intentions. Still no response. Agreed that the Board would now move to another vote, following another LCC that TM will post. Agreed to make lab rat for changing moderation flag.
** 
*** Anthony has posted an announcement of his own to the group. TM to close MVI.
** 
*** On 2024-12-08 Terje wrote to the other two volunteers, offering to keep the approval address on his server. Awaiting further details. RL to write to Terje and the volunteers to ask for an update. No response yet, except for a spam bounce.
** news.groups.proposals
*** The group's signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org. Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier. We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.
** 
*** TM still to prepare a group removal RFD.
** Moderated groups without moderators
*** TM to circulate a new draft of the RFD incorporating the recent comments. MM and RL to review and send confirmation, after which TM will post the RFD.
** news.admin.announce
*** TM has written to Tim Skirvin to ask if he is still interested in moderating the group. No response yet.
** 
*** MM informed ISC about new submission address; still awaiting confirmation.
* Infrastructure
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups: No further update from RL.
** Remote monitoring
*** MM still liaising with Ivo Gandolfo to set up remote monitoring.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
* Misc
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress.
** BDCAM25: RL to apply for a bursary from the conference organizers.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2025
Minutes/2025-01-17

Present: TM, MM, RL
* Administration
** and 
*** TM to announce result of vote: 3 in favour of removing the groups; 1 not voting.
** 
*** Still awaiting confirmation from Greg Pfeil that approvals are working again. We can then announce this in .
** 
*** Last contact from Dan Mahoney on 2024-10-26. Agreed to defer consideration a while longer.
** 
*** TM to announce result of vote: 3 in favour of removing the groups; 1 not voting.
*** The meeting noted additional discussion on the RfD objecting to the idea of using this group as a test case for demoderation and so agreed not to carry out the experiment on this group.
** 
*** No response yet to RL's message to three volunteers asking for an update. Agreed to wait one further week and then if necessary send another message.
** news.groups.proposals
*** The group's signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org. Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier. We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.
*** E-mail from Jonathan Kamens noting that when the moderation system was moved from his infrastructure to ours, the cross-posting limit was inadvertently set too low. RL has now raised this limit to 3. TM drew the Board's attention to the cross-posting policy set out in the charter for news.groups.proposals: "Crossposting to unmoderated newsgroups relevant to a particular proposal may be permitted, at the discretion of the moderators. With some exceptions (such as RFD announcements and FAQs), crossposting to other moderated groups is not permitted."
** 
*** TM still to prepare a group removal RFD.
** Moderated groups without moderators
*** Discussion of 1st RFD is continuing.
*** 2nd RFD due to be posted on 2025-01-31.
*** MM wrote to the user somehow posting to but has not yet received a response.
*** RL has been corresponding with with the user who volunteered to to moderate .
** news.admin.announce
*** No response yet from Tim Skirvin regarding whether he still wants to moderate the group. TM to ping him one final time.
* Infrastructure
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups: No further update from RL.
** Remote monitoring
*** MM still liaising with Ivo Gandolfo to set up remote monitoring.
** Monitoring status check warning
*** RL to change the domain in the From address for the status reports from mail.big-8.org to big-8.org to avoid future delivery errors.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
* Misc
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress.
** BDCAM25: TM met with Katie Szilagyi to plan their talk on legal aspects of Usenet research. RL and TM to start discussing their talk via e-mail.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2025
Minutes/2025-01-24

Present: TM, MM, RL
* Administration
** and 
*** TM posted the result. RL to inform the ISC so that the groups can be deleted.
** 
*** Still awaiting confirmation from Greg Pfeil that approvals are working again. RL to write to Greg Pfeil asking if we can post an announcement now.
** 
*** Last contact from Dan Mahoney on 2024-10-26. Agreed to defer consideration a while longer.
** 
*** TM posted the result. RL to inform the ISC so that the group can be deleted.
** 
*** No response yet to RL's message to three volunteers asking for an update. RL to ping the volunteers.
** news.groups.proposals
*** The group's signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org. Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier. We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.
** 
*** TM still to prepare a group removal RFD.
** Moderated groups without moderators
*** Discussion of 1st RFD is continuing.
*** 2nd RFD due to be posted on 2025-01-31.
*** RL has been corresponding with with the user who volunteered to to moderate .
** news.admin.announce
*** TM still to ping Tim Skirvin about moderating the group.
* Infrastructure
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups: No further update from RL.
** Remote monitoring
*** MM still liaising with Ivo Gandolfo to set up remote monitoring.
** Monitoring status check warning
*** RL was to have changed the domain in the From address for the status reports from mail.big-8.org to big-8.org to avoid future delivery errors. However, this proved to be inconvenient, so he instead added a DKIM record to mail.big-8.org. TM to report if there are any further delivery problems.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
* Misc
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress.
** BDCAM25: RL and TM still to start discussing their talk via e-mail.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2025
Minutes/2025-01-31

Present: TM, MM, RL
* Administration
** and 
*** RL has informed the ISC so that the groups can be deleted. Russ Allbery has confirmed the control messages have been sent.
** 
*** Still awaiting confirmation from Greg Pfeil that approvals are working again. RL wrote Greg Pfeil asking if we can post an announcement now; awaiting response.
** 
*** Last contact from Dan Mahoney on 2024-10-26. Agreed to defer consideration a while longer.
** 
*** RL has informed the ISC so that the groups can be deleted. Russ Allbery has confirmed the control messages have been sent.
** 
*** No response yet to RL's message to three volunteers asking for an update. RL still to ping the volunteers.
** news.groups.proposals
*** The group's signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org. Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier. We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.
** 
*** TM still to prepare a group removal RFD.
** Moderated groups without moderators
*** TM to post 2nd RFD.
*** RL has been corresponding with with the user who volunteered to to moderate .
** news.admin.announce
*** Tim Skirvin has responded that he's no longer able to moderate the group. Agreed that the three Board members would take over moderation. RL to configure STUMP accordingly.
* Infrastructure
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups: No further update from RL.
** Remote monitoring
*** MM has set up nodeping and will send credentials to RL and TM.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
* Misc
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress.
** BDCAM25: RL and TM still to start discussing their talk via e-mail.
** RL: Apologies for next week
Category:Meeting minutes for 2025
Minutes/2025-02-07

Present: TM, MM
Apologies: RL
* Administration
** 
*** Still awaiting confirmation from Greg Pfeil that approvals are working again. RL wrote Greg Pfeil asking if we can post an announcement now; awaiting response.
** 
*** Last contact from Dan Mahoney on 2024-10-26. Agreed to defer consideration a while longer.
** 
*** No response yet to RL's message to three volunteers asking for an update. RL still to ping the volunteers.
** news.groups.proposals
*** The group's signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org. Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier. We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.
** 
*** TM still to prepare a group removal RFD.
** Moderated groups without moderators
*** TM posted 2nd RFD on 2025-02-02.
*** RL has been corresponding with with the user who volunteered to to moderate .
** news.admin.announce
*** RL to configure STUMP so that TM, MM, and RL are moderators.
* Infrastructure
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups: No further update from RL.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
* Misc
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress.
** BDCAM25: RL and TM still to start discussing their talk via e-mail.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2025
Moderation policy for news.groups.proposals

The charter of news.groups.proposals sets the moderation policies. The overall goal is to foster "a healthy environment where ideas can be raised, discussed, and developed."
To accomplish this goal, certain submissions to the newsgroup are rejected. These include articles containing
* personal attacks
* flames
* off topic articles
** Discussion of proposals relating to other hierarchies, such as alt.* or regional hierarchies.
** Articles about "the news" or other world events.
** General discussions not relating to a specific newsgroup proposal.
* unacceptable content
** Copyright violations
** Excessive quoting
** Threats and/or advocating violence
** Personal and/or commercial advertisements, including chain letters, money-making schemes, and EMP spam.
* unacceptable formats
** HTML
** Binaries, except PGP signatures, X-Face headers, and other ancillary meta-data
* attempts to subvert the system, such as:
** Forgery or imitation of valid e-mail addresses
** Unauthorized approval headers
** Excessive morphing/nym-shifting
== Crossposting ==
Articles can be placed in more than one group by crossposting, which is simply listing multiple groups in the Newsgroups: line. This is different than actually posting the same text to several groups. A correctly-functioning news reader will present the article to the reader only in the first group and mark it "read" in the others.
Crossposting discussion of news groups is an interesting issue. It can be helpful, but many groups find it annoying and prefer that the discussion be done only in news.groups.proposals.
Crossposting is generally discouraged, and articles crossposted to a moderated group or more than three groups (news.groups.proposals and two others) will be automatically rejected by the moderation software. If you feel that you really need to crosspost to more groups, please contact the moderation team at the group's administrative contact address, ngp-board@ngp.big-8.org.
Category:news.groups.proposals
Nan-2012-10-16-rfd-comp.sys.apple2.comm

From: D. Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.apple2.comm
Subject: RFD: Remove comp.sys.apple2.comm
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:18:36 EDT
Message-ID: <rfd-remove-csa2.comm-2012-10-16@macgui.com>
This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the 
unmoderated newsgroup comp.sys.apple2.
Newsgroups Line:
Apple II data communications.
Distribution:
	news.announce.newgroups
	news.groups.proposals
	comp.sys.apple2
	comp.sys.apple2.comm
Proponent: D. Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com>
Charter:
	csa2.comm Discussions related to Apple II data communications 
Rationale for removal:
	Posting volume had dropped to little more than two FAQ posts per month since 2007. FAQ posting ceased in December 2010
and the group had 2 posts in all of 2011 one of which was off-topic, and 2 posts so far for this year, both of which were off-topic.
Discussions of Apple II systems and software can take place in the main comp.sys.apple2 newsgroup, which has a far wider readership and posting volume. As the catch-all newsgroup for the Apple II, all on-topic posts in csa2.comm would also be on-topic for comp.sys.apple2.
Whereas the rise of broadband Internet has all but extinguished the use of modems and telehpone-based communications, and being that the Apple II computer system is obsolete, it is improbable that the volume of on-topic discussions will ever increase in comp.sys.apple2.comm.
History of the Group:
	comp.sys.apple2.comm is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for 
	creation by 259:38 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 28 May 1993.
	For your newsgroups file: 
	comp.sys.apple2.comm Apple II data communications.
	The charter, culled from the call for votes: 
	csa2.comm Discussions related to Apple II data communications 
Procedure:
Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should 
subscribe to news:news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads in 
that newsgroup. 
To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to 
news.groups.proposals.
All discussion of active proposals should be posted to 
news.groups.proposals.
If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion may be
crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure that all
discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.
For more information on the newsgroup removal process, please see 
http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Removing_newsgroups
History of this RFD:
2012-10-16: Initial proposal
Nan-2012-12-27-rfd-misc.phone.mobile.android

From: Evgenii Sputnik <elsputnikoo@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,misc.phone.mobile.android,comp.mobile.ipad,alt.comp.google
Subject: RFD misc.phone.mobile.android newsgroup create
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:24:58 EST
Message-ID: <kbhlki$lmc$1@elsputnikoo.dont-email.me>
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group misc.phone.mobile.android
This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
unmoderated newsgroup misc.phone.mobile.android
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
misc.phone.mobile.android	Mobile phones and other devices running
				Android OS.
RATIONALE:
This newsgroup is meant to form a new group for the discussion and
mutual support of the Android OS devices.
Mainly discussion is planned to be about Android OS - based mobile
phones, but also tablets and everything else Android - based. misc.*
have been chosen just to show it's more about consumer Android devices
than programming for Android and technical things; but that doesn't
mean newsgroup is planned ONLY as a place for end - users, but for
everyone using and / or programming for Android devices / smartphones.
Currently, discussion of Android is mainly nonexistent on Usenet. But 
popular in Google Groups - many groups could be found about Android, 
both OS and devices. Also quite popular on the web - many forums exist.
Also discussion in comp.mobile.ipad shown that there are persons
waiting for Android newsgroup to be created, better as Big-8 group.
(One person claimed that he "doesn't touches alt.*".)
CHARTER:
misc.phone.mobile.android is an unmoderated group for the users of
Android OS: users of mobile phones, tablet PC's, microcomputers, etc,
including, but not limited to, software problems, hardware problems,
discussing ideas of what program is suitable for chosen purposes, and
what hardware is suitable for using specific software written for
Android OS and which Android OS version is suitable for chosen program.
Posters are expected to abide by normal Usenet standards of decorum,
and to ignore articles intended to disrupt the group. Spam is 
prohibited. Advertising is allowed only if program, device, or
anything else is either running Android OS, clearly made for Android OS, 
or being marketed towards users of devices running Android OS.
(Advertisers: follow common sense! Others follow it, too.)
PROCEDURE:
Please refer to the newsgroup creation policies listed here:
 http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:creation
All discussion of active proposals should be posted to
news.groups.proposals.
To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.
If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion
may be crossposted to those groups, but care should be taken to ensure
that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.
DISTRIBUTION:
This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
misc.phone.mobile.iphone
comp.mobile.ipad
alt.comp.google
PROPONENT:
Evgenii Sputnik			elsputnikoo@gmail.com
CHANGE HISTORY:
2012-12-27			1st RFD.
News.admin.announce

is a forum for important announcements for news administrators. It is a moderated forum, watched over by a team of moderators for added speed. Possible topics for messages include announcements regarding news transport or browsing software, Frequently Asked Questions lists, announcements of new EMP cancellers, announcements of new cancellation criteria, reports that directly relate to the future of Usenet, reports on legal issues that directly affect news administrators such as the Communications Decency Act, and so forth
== Moderators ==
* Brian Edmonds
* Dave Sill
* Tim Skirvin
== Further information ==
* Charter for news.admin.announce
news.admin.announce
News.admin.moderation

is a newsgroup dedicated to the discussion
of newsgroup moderation on Usenet—what it is, how it works, and how it
affects Usenet administration as a whole. news.admin.moderation is itself
a moderated newsgroup, watched over by a combination of a moderation team
and a robot moderator; this moderation is primarily intended to stop
flamewars and ongoing arguments on divisive and never-ending topics such 
as "moderation in general: good or bad?". 
== Moderators ==
* Tristan Miller
* Jason Evans
* Rayner Lucas
* Paul Schleck
* Tim Skirvin
To contact the moderators, e-mail news-admin-moderation-request@panix.com.
== Further information ==
* Charter for news.admin.moderation
news.admin.moderation
News.announce.important

is a moderated announcement group. It is intended to be a very low volume newsgroup for general announcements that are so important that nearly everyone on Usenet should read them.
== Moderators ==
* Tristan Miller
* Jason Evans
* Rayner Lucas
* Paul Schleck
To contact the moderators, e-mail news-announce-important-request@panix.com.
== Further information ==
* Charter for news.announce.important
* Signing key for news.announce.important
news.announce.important
News.announce.newgroups

(n.a.n) is a moderated announcement group.
It was created in August 1989 as a special venue for circulation of new newsgroup proposals, calls for votes, and results of votes in the Big 7 newsgroup hierarchies. In 1995, the Big 7 became the Big 8.
Since 2006, the Big 8 are managed by a Board and calls for votes have been replaced by Last Calls for Comments.
As a general rule, posts made to n.a.n have followups set to , a moderated group created in November 2006. 
== Moderators ==
* Tristan Miller
* Jason Evans
* Rayner Lucas
* Paul Schleck
To contact the moderators, e-mail news-announce-newgroups-request@panix.com.
== Further information ==
* Signing key for news.announce.newgroups
news.announce.newgroups