Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2010-10-14

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on October 14th, 2010
= Agenda =
WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!
= Transcript =
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for October 14th, 2010:
* [14:59] Gooden Uggla: hiya maestro
* [14:59] Gooden Uggla: hiya oskar!
* [14:59] Maestro Linden: good afternoon
* [15:00] Kitty Erin: Hi everybody!!! :D :D :D
* [15:00] lonetorus Habilis: hyhey
* [15:00] Gooden Uggla: super speed!
* [15:00] SHAMUS Carter: the mesh viewer dose not work on mac?
* [15:00] lonetorus Habilis: could someone kill that lemon party griffer cube?
* [15:00] Gooden Uggla: it crashes on upload with mac tiger
* [15:00] SHAMUS Carter: ? ?**:•.•:** hallo hello hi holla **:•.•:**? ? 
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: well this has been one of those days
* [15:00] SHAMUS Carter: oskar
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: hah!
* [15:00] Bambers LindenBambers: Linden hasn't been able to run it on XP but so far had assumed the problem was with his machine
* [15:00] Maestro Linden: where is it,
* [15:01] Maestro Linden: ?
* [15:01] lonetorus Habilis: over this way
* [15:01] Gooden Uggla: bambers is the crash at the moment of upload?
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: the wiki has not been my friend today
* [15:01] Gooden Uggla: if so, it's the same crash a buncha people are getting
* [15:01] SHAMUS CarterSHAMUS: Carter has no issues with it on xp 32 other thewn the ocasional crash on upload of way to beepign high poly meshes
* [15:02] Bambers Linden: no Gooden - in my case I was unable to run it at all so far, including after clicking "Run SL now" after install
* [15:02] Gooden Uggla: wow, that's but good
* [15:02] Gooden Uggla: not good*
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: ok ok there we go
* [15:02] Bambers Linden: Firefox crashed 3 times too, so I don't know yet that it's mesh
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours#Agenda
* [15:03] Bambers LindenBambers: Linden quietens down and lets Oskar be useful
* [15:03] Rex Cronon: hello everybody
* [15:03] Gooden Uggla: ah, cou;ld be time to go shopping
* [15:03] Tater Todd: hellos
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: so apparently the Mesh team decided that out of all the hours available to them in a given week they would choose thursdays at 3 to do their OH
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: so... if you want to be there instead of here I understand
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: *sniff*
* [15:03] Gooden Uggla: rermember, if you telecommute at ALL from home you can deduct a home machine
* [15:03] Gooden Uggla: depreciation at 15/15/10 /10/5
* [15:03] SHAMUS Carter: oh joy i hate schduly conflicts
* [15:04] JS Streamwechsler-HUD: whispers: Paskis' Radio TV - Initialised
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: anyways
* [15:04] JS Streamwechsler-HUD: whispers: Warning, it appears that the land here is owned by someone else, or group owned. You will need to use the subwoofer, deeded to a group, to use the Radio TV on group land.
* [15:04] JS Streamwechsler-HUD: whispers: Paskis' Radio TV - Ready!
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: sorry I didn't get the agenda updated
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:04] TankMaster Finesmith: according to the mesh wiki, we should be able to make normal prims up to 64m...
* [15:04] SHAMUS Carter: *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*Yayyyyyyy!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: the mesh stuff went off with a hitch yesterday :-)
* [15:04] lonetorus Habilis: XD
* [15:05] SHAMUS Carter: Yus !
* [15:05] lonetorus Habilis: aditi not used to half the sl population wanting to log in?
* [15:05] Rex Cronon: it had a hitch?
* [15:05] Jacky Scharf: Hi! ^-^
* [15:05] Jacky Scharf: everybody :-)
* [15:05] Jacky's translator: everybody :-)
* [15:05] Rex Cronon: hi
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: nothing quite like handing out a vwr before the regions are ready
* [15:05] Gooden Uggla: lol exceptr for those who can't run the viewer, but your part rocked!
* [15:05] Coqui Miami: :O
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: we rolled out two RC's concurrently for the first time this week
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: BlueSteel has andrews maint server branch
* [15:06] lonetorus Habilis: whats the hardware behind somon?
* [15:06] Gooden Uggla: it wasn't late, it was running on "island time"
* [15:06] lonetorus Habilis: simon even
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: oh speaking of, Maestro do you have the console vwr download link handy?
* [15:06] SHAMUS Carter: sim1.agni the first SL simulator
* [15:06] Simon Linden: fwiw the mesh viewer has the console in it
* [15:06] Maestro Linden: actually Oskar, yes, Simon's right
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: ok we verified that
* [15:07] Maestro Linden: 
* [15:07] Maestro Linden: (under Mesh.. choose your platform)
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: ok cool
* [15:07] Simon Linden: ctrl-shift-~ opens it
* [15:07] SHAMUS Carter: console?
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: after you enable that right?
* [15:07] Maestro Linden: ctrl-shift-~ opens it after you enable the "Develop" menu
* [15:07] Simon Linden: but this region doesn't support anything (I just opened it and found that out)
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: in the advanced mnenu
* [15:07] Gooden Uggla: are you making another viewer for tgose (mac) that can't run the mesh viewer yet?
* [15:07] SHAMUS Carter: sweet
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: develop menu. that's right
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: I'll try to send a mail out to everyone on the beta list with details tonight
* [15:08] Robe Jameson: How to join that beta list?
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: it doesnt have too much available to use yet, and you'd need to be an EM on a BlueSteel region
* [15:08] SHAMUS Carter: check tyhe adjenda the lik is on there rob
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: top of this page robe: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours#Agenda
* [15:08] Robe Jameson: Thanks
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: we also updated the server that was running under LeTigre
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: but quickly saw problems with delivering items via scripts
* [15:09] lonetorus Habilis: what kind of hardware is sim1.agni ?
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: so we rolled it back
* [15:09] lonetorus Habilis: and can we have the snapshot?
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: I don't know lonetorus
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: you can take a snapshot of the snapshot :-D
* [15:10] lonetorus Habilis: \o/
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: so we're back to the LeTigre that we had last week
* [15:11] Lares Carter: heya Oskar, Maestro, Simon :)
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: we're still discussing what to do with it :-)
* [15:11] Lares Carter: had some trouble getting here :/
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: so with 2 rc's, a rollback, and mesh all in the same day yesterday was fun
* [15:11] SHAMUS Carter: aditi is probly gettin g hammered with all the new users
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: aditi is getting hammered
* [15:11] RedMokum Bravin: Well it's not fun having land stretching over 2 sims that both run different candidates.
* [15:11] Donlad Avro: omg tell me you guys see those particles
* [15:11] Donlad Avro: eep
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: what aprticles?
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: I'm not looking around
* [15:12] lonetorus Habilis: yeh, its comming over from lusk
* [15:12] lonetorus Habilis: lemonparty particles
* [15:12] Donlad Avro: uh huh
* [15:12] Donlad Avro: the sexiest particles EVER.
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: oh lusk
* [15:13] Alphonse Dennison: i saw too..with old people..bleah
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: I'd delete if I could see it
* [15:13] Robe Jameson: yes, me too
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: maestro can you delete it?
* [15:13] lonetorus Habilis: though when i look in lusks' direction now, its just a square sea
* [15:13] RedMokum Bravin: that sounds like an oldie not seen in a long time
* [15:13] Tiaeld Tolsen: oh wow
* [15:13] lonetorus Habilis: lusk had extreme lag
* [15:13] Maestro Linden: er ok, I'll go over there.. right now I'm having some trouble seeing Lusk
* [15:13] lonetorus Habilis: and bounced me off aditi
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: i cna't see lusk either
* [15:14] RedMokum Bravin: And now playTypingAnim FALSE ... why don't they make that the default... pfffff.
* [15:14] Robe Jameson: I like the typing anim
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: you don't like it?
* [15:14] SHAMUS Carter: thats what typoign ovberiders are fore
* [15:14] Coqui Miami: :O
* [15:14] RedMokum Bravin: No, I talk with my hands in daily life, but differently :-p
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: well I don't have a lot for today. I'm sure you're all poking at mesh
* [15:15] lonetorus Habilis: i would rather have that lsl error messages got sent to chat as default (especially for hud objects like AO's)
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: don't forget about BlueSteel on agni though :-D
* [15:15] Gooden Uggla: when you leave typinganim off, sometimes people walk away when you're typing at them :)
* [15:15] Marigold Devin: I don't forget about BlueSteel on agni :-))
* [15:15] RedMokum Bravin: Oh I don't... coming from LeTigre I get sucked into BlueSteel all the time.
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: \o/
* [15:15] Robe Jameson: That's right Gooden
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: r u saying bluesteel sucks?
* [15:16] RedMokum Bravin: I say having land in adjacent regions with different release candidates sucks!
* [15:16] Marigold Devin: I love bluesteel, its the quietest place on the grid
* [15:16] Flynn Tigerpaw: I have the same adjacent land problem
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: the bluesteel rc sandboxes right?
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: yeah
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: I had heard of some reports of crashing with large numbers of prims
* [15:16] RedMokum Bravin: No, not sandboxes, mainland sims Atropos and Increta.
* [15:16] Tater Todd: m
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: anyone else seen anything like that with BlueSteel?
* [15:17] SHAMUS Carter: difrent sim versiosn next toeacher is a sure fire way to spot odityes
* [15:17] Flynn Tigerpaw: those "tunning different server messages" are like a dripping faucet
* [15:17] RedMokum Bravin: (Why don't you keep release candidates next to stable releases, instead of other candidates?)
* [15:17] Flynn Tigerpaw: *running
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: I hope new vwr versions let you turn that message off
* [15:18] Flynn Tigerpaw: that would be great!
* [15:18] Maestro Linden: alright, I should be the only old man flying around now..
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: we need a random sampling Red
* [15:18] Tiaeld Tolsen: lol
* [15:18] SHAMUS Carter: or atleast get rid of the darn modal dialog
* [15:18] SHAMUS Carter: oh wate that a adifrent dialog im thing about
* [15:18] RedMokum Bravin: Oskar: nice but we also want to play now and then.
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: I know...
* [15:18] Alphonse Dennison: someone knows where is that mesh city? i'm curious to see the sculpties:D
* [15:19] RedMokum Bravin: Sculpties?
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: try searching for mesh city
* [15:19] SHAMUS Carter: type mesh city enjoy
* [15:19] SHAMUS Carter: try not to crash on uploadign meshes
* [15:19] RedMokum Bravin: (Don't upload .DAE files from SketchUp *with* textures included... crash every time)
* [15:19] Alphonse Dennison: none found
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: Red, what is the main issue with being on an RC channel? the restarts or the new code?
* [15:20] Lares Carter: SLURL to mesh city: secondlife://Aditi/secondlife/Mesh%20City/128/128/2
* [15:20] RedMokum Bravin: Just the odd behavior between the 2 sims.
* [15:20] SHAMUS Carter: define odd
* [15:21] Simon Linden: what's the odd behavior? From what I know of the changes, you shouldn't see much other than those annoying popups that tell you about server versions
* [15:21] Alphonse Dennison: location invalid, ,Red:)
* [15:21] SHAMUS Carter: you on the mesh client?
* [15:21] Simon Linden: I'm not sure slurls work on aditi
* [15:21] Alphonse Dennison: ah, nope:D
* [15:21] Maestro Linden: that location loads for me..
* [15:21] Lares Carter: works for me
* [15:21] Alphonse Dennison: i'm on phoenix
* [15:22] SHAMUS Carter: might eb a channle issue
* [15:22] Maestro Linden: the parcel image is a big "?" but I think that's just because nobody sent an image..
* [15:22] Lares Carter: slurl works with 2.2.1 dev viewer
* [15:22] Alphonse Dennison: in the place invo from that slurl i read: Information about this location is unavailable at this time, please try again later.
* [15:22] RedMokum Bravin: Sim crossing was supposed to become more stable, right? But it's never been so bad (on foot or flying) since BlueSteel and LeTigre are there side by side.
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: simon? :-)
* [15:23] RedMokum Bravin: 1.42 brought some relief first.
* [15:23] Maestro Linden: Hm I don't think BlueSteel or LeTigre have anything really major in terms of sim crossing changes
* [15:23] Simon Linden: can you explain 'bad' more? More snapbacks? Lost attachments?
* [15:23] Maestro Linden: but the branch on this sim right now has some improvements for rez and region crossing (it will come into RC next week, perhaps)
* [15:24] RedMokum Bravin: You may get sucked in for miles, unable to stop flying.
* [15:24] Simon Linden: what viewer are you using?
* [15:24] RedMokum Bravin: Everyone that I can lay hands on to compare. :-p
* [15:25] RedMokum Bravin: Not much difference there really.
* [15:26] Jacky Scharf: [15:16
* [15:26] Coqui Miami: :O
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: what Jacky?
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: I think so
* [15:26] Simon Linden: Jacky - you might try just changing it back again, not sure if that'll work or not
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: should be able to. if I am understanding your question
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: should work
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: if I am understanding the script correctly
* [15:26] Gooden Uggla: jacky just change password on your account for 1 day, then change it back
* [15:26] Jacky Scharf: Ok. ?
* [15:27] Simon Linden: On a related note to those 'fly off into the distance' problems, I recently did some viewer work to stop that
* [15:27] RedMokum Bravin: But when you change it back, it overrides all of your inventory here again.
* [15:27] SHAMUS Carter: inturpolation is beign removerd?
* [15:27] Simon Linden: My viewer will stop moving objects after a few seconds if the sim stops sending messages
* [15:27] Jacky Scharf: Red: No problem. This is what I want. ?
* [15:28] Gooden Uggla: interesting simon
* [15:28] Simon Linden: Not removed SHAMUS, but made a little bit smarter
* [15:28] RedMokum Bravin: Okay Jacky :-) (If you don't mind your imported meshes)
* [15:28] Simon Linden: Like if you hit a region edge, and it doesn't know of any adjacent region, it stops
* [15:28] Gooden Uggla: what are the possible side effects to t?hat
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: so it stops the flyaway only if you border ocean?
* [15:29] Simon Linden: I'm not sure when this will get into the viewer pipeline, but the code is available publicly if anyone wants to look
* [15:29] Gooden Uggla: ironically, i only have that problem here when i test stuff :)
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: heh
* [15:29] SHAMUS CarterSHAMUS: Carter flyis off into the void a lot
* [15:30] RedMokum Bravin: Well, at the moment it's not funny when your ship crosses from one sim's water into the other's.
* [15:30] Simon Linden: Oskar - yes, on borders with ocean, plus if the sim lags and stops sending updates
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: red. have you tried it on the rc sandboxes?
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: I set up water borders there
* [15:30] RedMokum Bravin: Between 2 release candidates?
* [15:30] Rex Cronon: .
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: no. but that is what your regions ar efor :-)
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: you can use the sandboxes to test from same rc to same rc
* [15:31] Simon Linden: Sorry, but I have an appointment and have to run ... thanks everyone for coming and will see you next time
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: thanks simon
* [15:31] Marigold DevinMarigold: Devin waves bye at Simon
* [15:31] Rex Cronon: tc
* [15:31] Lares Carter: thanks simon
* [15:31] SHAMUS Carter: bye simmion
* [15:31] Simon Linden: bye
* [15:31] Tiaeld Tolsen: ty
* [15:31] Jacky Scharf: •*•.? Bye Bye ?.•*• Simon :-)
* [15:31] RedMokum Bravin: ciao Simon
* [15:31] Lares Carter: are private regions allowed to join the RC channels? and if so, are the former pilot roll regions added automatically?
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: private regions can Lares
* [15:32] Coqui Miami: :O
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: the pilot regions aren't really used so much right now
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: since the definition of pilot changed
* [15:32] Lares Carter: so should just reapply then?
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: we haven't really reached a conclusion yet
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: since we have like 3 pilots
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: we could just split up those regions into each RC channel
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: some would get it and some wouldn't
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: I hope that not too far away we can give EM's the control over which server version they start up with
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: that would solve some of those issues
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: sim console ftw
* [15:34] Oskar LindenOskar: Linden crosses his fingers
* [15:34] Robe Jameson: lol
* [15:34] Lares Carter: fitting to that topic, any news about a test viewer that would give a first look on the console?
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: Latif: did you see that Andrew posted the simconsole viewer source to sldev?
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: yep
* [15:34] Lares Carter: ah, thx maestro
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: nice
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: Lares: the mesh viewer includes the smi console
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: cool :)
* [15:34] BOSS M: V1.17 (Dk Red): GET YOUR OWN BIKE!
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: will be adding it to libomv :)
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: from 
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: that console should be fairly easily adaptable to other EM tasks that are teaked with caps
* [15:35] Lares Carter: it does? i got told its not included
* [15:35] Maestro Linden: it's there all right
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: what would be cool is if someone wrote it so you could manage remote estates if you had access without being there
* [15:35] 4 Wheeler: You aren't the owner
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: $ restart ahern NOW
* [15:35] Lares Carter: but i would need to be EM to test it and the region would need to run the mesh server version?
* [15:35] Gooden Uggla: yes please
* [15:36] Maestro Linden: 1) enable the 'Develop' menu 2) press ctrl+shift+` OR go under Develop-UI->Region Debug Console
* [15:36] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, working on it ;)
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: with that sim console code available it shouldn't be hard right?
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: NIE
* [15:36] Lares Carter: ah i see, thanks
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: I knew it
* [15:36] Oskar LindenOskar: Linden applauds Latif
* [15:36] Gooden Uggla: when EM's can roll to any RC and back to the stable version, you'll see testing on a grander scale
* [15:36] Latif Khalifa: Maestro, very bad shortcut though, doesm't work well on non us keyboards
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: I know
* [15:37] Robe Jameson: That's true Latif
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: it's accessible from the UI too right?
* [15:37] SHAMUS Carter: bad short cut? why
* [15:37] Coqui Miami: :O:O
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: yeah, I've heard other peopel say the same (about italian keyboards, I think)
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: Falcon's looking into changing the shortcut, IIRC
* [15:37] SHAMUS Carter: very well know shortcut
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: make a new shortcut for it?
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: find one that works on all keyboards
* [15:37] SHAMUS Carter: and is almost always concole in many other apps
* [15:37] Latif Khalifa: i have danish keyboard doesn't work on it either
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: what is that noise?
* [15:37] Robe Jameson: I have a spaniard one
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: KITTY!!!!!
* [15:37] Tiaeld Tolsen: a pogo
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: :-(
* [15:38] Kitty Erin: yess
* [15:38] SHAMUS Carter: well thats what the ui is fore
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: no pogoing in my OH
* [15:38] Robe Jameson: Can you explain how to access to console and what type to access to the mesh feature?
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: mesh is only in certain regions Robe
* [15:38] Kitty Erin: ok:D
* [15:38] SHAMUS Carter: mesh works here ;-)
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: no it doesn'taorly?
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: hah
* [15:39] SHAMUS CarterSHAMUS: Carter was playing wiht meshes in morris
* [15:39] lonetorus Habilis: yeah i cant use the short cut either
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: anyway since we covered most of what we wanted we can freeform the rest of this meeting
* [15:39] Gooden Uggla: mono?
* [15:39] Maestro Linden: strange. how did you guys cheat in DOOM back in the day? :)
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: or cut it short
* [15:40] lonetorus Habilis: to much frustration, had to remap shortcut in quake2 for same reason
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: haha nice maestro
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: they coldn't cheat
* [15:40] Robe Jameson: Yes, it seems like a trouble for me
* [15:40] SHAMUS Carter: might be nice if one could easly define shortcuts dynamicly
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: we could have sime console invoked through a vivox voice comand
* [15:40] Maestro Linden: I'd recommend filing a jira about it
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: "COMPUTER: Reboot Ahern NOW"
* [15:41] Maestro Linden: then bug Falcon with it :)
* [15:41] Gooden Uggla: SVC-4632 ?
* [15:41] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4632: 
* [#SVC-4632] People getting: past Estate and Land bans 
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: *restarting the grid in 5 seconds*
* [15:41] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [15:41] SHAMUS Carter: lol
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: "COMPUTER No I did not mean that. abort"
* [15:41] lonetorus Habilis: but will falcon listen, that is the real question ;)
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: *draining L$ funds now*
* [15:41] Gooden Uggla: lol you'd have to have recognition and pattern
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: falcon ALWAYS listens
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: then he laughs in your face
* [15:41] SHAMUS Carter: computer llgroupchatlag 0
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: that's just his style
* [15:41] lonetorus Habilis: indeed
* [15:42] lonetorus Habilis: XD
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: speaking of group chat lag
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: we're in the process of moving group chat to a new system
* [15:42] lonetorus Habilis: woot
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: something a lot more robust
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: I can't give out details now
* [15:42] SHAMUS Carter: yay
* [15:42] Gooden Uggla: my the gods have mercy on... err... cool
* [15:42] SHAMUS Carter: it';s on the blog
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: but hopefully it might be ready early next year I hear
* [15:42] SHAMUS Carter: xmpp with 40 grops?
* [15:42] lonetorus Habilis: jabber?
* [15:42] Tiaeld Tolsen: irc?
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: 40 gropes
* [15:43] Nathan Stewart: pidgeon?
* [15:43] Gooden Uggla: ooohhh
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: let the lindens grope you 40 times
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: yes
* [15:43] Tiaeld Tolsen: msn messenger? lol
* [15:43] Gooden Uggla: 40?
* [15:43] Robe Jameson: 123
* [15:43] SHAMUS Carter: 
* [15:43] Bambers Linden: smoke signals via campfires looping *that* fire sound
* [15:43] Gooden Uggla: you'll be able to mess up a lotta stuff with the goodwill generated by a 40 group limit...
* [15:43] Lares Carter: i cant find where to apply for the rc channel - a notecard to you on Agni would work, Oskar?
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: sure Lares
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: there you go Shamus
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: now it's public :-p
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: X-D
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: you can read all about it at shamus' link
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: I didn't know that was public yet
* [15:45] Robe Jameson: lol
* [15:45] SHAMUS Carter: hehe
* [15:45] Coqui Miami: 123
* [15:45] lonetorus Habilis: if you roll back to 25 groups, what will happen to the excess 15 groups?
* [15:45] Gooden Uggla: FJ is claiming that lag is reduced? is he on the main grid?
* [15:45] SHAMUS Carter: good querstion
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: since there are many ways to define lag
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: yes
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: lag is reduced
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: the lag you define might not be
* [15:46] Gooden Uggla: he obviously chose the "spin" method of defining lag
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: what other method is there?
* [15:46] SHAMUS Carter: as a whole manland is behaivg better in the past year or so then the past 3 yuears
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: lag is perceived slowdowns
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: and entirely defined by the end user
* [15:47] RedMokum Bravin: Lag is when your Zooby animals are seen flying through the air :-p
* [15:47] Robe Jameson: lol
* [15:47] SHAMUS Carter: lol thats phsycs lag
* [15:47] lonetorus Habilis: yes, i dun care what technical mumbojumbo you define lag as, i just wanted it FIXED right NOW!!1 /me pets his 28.8 modem
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: while bambers is here
* [15:47] RedMokum Bravin: Yup, glad we can turn that off now.
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: any news from the viewer front?
* [15:47] SHAMUS Carter: i wonder if the impturpolution tweking will lessen that
* [15:48] Bambers Linden: Lag is caused by a mischievous Linden turning up the dial labeled "Lag", which is situated in the LL Office foyer
* [15:48] Lee Ponzu: Did Simon Linden leave?
* [15:48] RedMokum Bravin: Isn't it possible to combine both project viewers?
* [15:48] Flynn Tigerpaw: I thought it was caused by tired hamsters
* [15:48] Bambers Linden: Simon did
* [15:48] Bambers Linden: On the viewer front we're aiming to kick a new update out the door very soon
* [15:48] Lee Ponzu: You mean Mesh and Display nmes?
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: Meshplay names
* [15:49] Bambers Linden: and Mesh of course went out
* [15:49] Gooden Uggla: bambers i thought it was when interns tripped over cables... good to know
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: like Meshopotamia
* [15:49] Bambers Linden: Dish Names
* [15:49] Lee Ponzu: .and I believe mesh has Display Names
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: does it?
* [15:49] Bambers Linden: Gooden - no, lag is deliberate. You're thinking of login failures
* [15:49] Flynn Tigerpaw: mesh has display names
* [15:49] Gooden Uggla: ooohhh... ok
* [15:49] Latif Khalifa: i hear lag is good for your skin
* [15:49] Lee Ponzu: The login message says so...I haven't tried it
* [15:50] Bambers LindenBambers: Linden promises Lindens don't really do that. Interns on the other hand....
* [15:50] Lee Ponzu: CAn I be a Intern at Linden Lab? Is 62 too old?
* [15:50] Gooden UgglaGooden: Uggla *smiles*
* [15:50] RedMokum Bravin: Okay so it's people tripping over the wireless connections :-p
* [15:50] Bambers Linden: not much of a viewer update I'm afraid
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: htat's ok
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: thanks bmbers
* [15:51] Lee Ponzu: I see lots and lts of good fixes in Viewer-development.
* [15:51] lonetorus Habilislonetorus: Habilis gets his snakeoil lag removal tool posted to marketplace
* [15:51] Lee Ponzu: This Mesh viewer is several weeks behind.
* [15:51] Gooden Uggla: one thing that was brought up is the release notes aren't showing up before rolls
* [15:51] Gooden Uggla: kinda hard to know what to look for...
* [15:51] SHAMUS Carter: true
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: they come pretty close
* [15:52] Gooden UgglaGooden: Uggla sells snakeoil while standing next to topless beauties every night at 9pm
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: and the channel has it for a week
* [15:52] Lee Ponzu: I suggest you llok at hg.secondlife.com/viewer-development
* [15:52] Lee Ponzu: You can see each patch *as* they check it in.
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: Gooden does! I've seen it
* [15:52] Gooden Uggla: i mean for the RC servers lee
* [15:52] Lee Ponzu: that's for the viewer, that is.
* [15:52] Lee Ponzu: right....sorry
* [15:53] Bambers Linden: :)
* [15:53] Gooden UgglaGooden: Uggla slips oskar a 20 "keep it up"
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: heh
* [15:54] Gooden Uggla: we know you guys are insanely busy as it is, but release notes keep us from freaking out when we see the lil yellow server version thingies
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: anyways. I'm running short on content today
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: yeah
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: the release notes come out pretty quick
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: usually within an hour
* [15:55] Lee Ponzu: Then it takes us an hour to find the damn things
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: tell you what
* [15:55] Maestro Linden: well, this week it looks like bluesteel didn't get release notes until 5pm on the day of the roll
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: let's turn this into a drinking game :-)
* [15:55] Lares Carter: Ambroffs fix of the "Your account is not available until [...]" did not make it into the mesh server version?
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: take a shot of tequila every time the RC hits before the release notes
* [15:55] Maestro Linden: heh, there you go
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: then a shot for every yellow message that pops up
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: after a few hours you won't care
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: then you can check code right into trunk :-)
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: works for us
* [15:56] RedMokum Bravin: and nobody willbe testing
* [15:56] Marigold Devin: I've been playing a drinking game with the word mesh. /me is quite plasssshtered ;-)
* [15:56] Gooden Uggla: cool, you snuck onto the wiki and got them updated
* [15:56] Bambers Linden: laters! I gtg a few mins early
* [15:56] Bambers Linden: cheers
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: I would be very amused if someone created a SL Server Release drinking game on the wiki
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: X-D
* [15:56] Rex Cronon: tc
* [15:56] Lee Ponzu: Say Yesh to Mesh?
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: hint hint
* [15:56] Marigold Devin: bottoms up Bambers
* [15:56] Gooden Uggla: i test with rum, tequila makes me (too) crazy
* [15:57] Maestro Linden: anyway, this Second Life Beta Server 10.10.11.211797 has speed improvements for region crossings
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: Gooden, get some Kraken Rum
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: soooooo good
* [15:57] RedMokum Bravin: yup back to the mess of mesh :-)
* [15:57] Gooden Uggla: mmhmmm
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: not Crack And Rum
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: Kraken Rum
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: like the mythical sea monster of yore
* [15:57] Maestro Linden: and also has threading enabled for object rez (kinda like the changes we saw a few weeks ago with region crossing)
* [15:57] TankMaster Finesmith: .me says yay to 64m prims!
* [15:57] SHAMUS Carter: Yus !
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: when mesh hits the main grid it will have the latest updates
* [15:57] TankMaster Finesmith: though i couldnt get that to work yesterday
* [15:57] SHAMUS Carter: 64m prims is a very welchom suprise
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: it should be close actually
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: has tip of trunk as of last week right?
* [15:58] Latif Khalifa: and 40 groups shamus :)
* [15:58] RedMokum Bravin: No more excuse for not adding a friends's group haha
* [15:58] SHAMUS CarterSHAMUS: Carter snickers it shoudl have been 42
* [15:58] Maestro Linden: Oskar; no idea
* [15:59] TankMaster Finesmith: n i also hear roomers LL may be increasing max sim prim count next year?
* [15:59] Latif Khalifa: Shamus lol right. The old cool LL would do that
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: I'll make that a suggestion ;-)
* [15:59] Latif Khalifa: :D
* [16:00] SHAMUS Carter: :-)
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: I just had a marvin quoting contest with a friend today
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: I was thinking of making her a marvin costume for halloween
* [16:00] lonetorus Habilis: latif OT question, is it likely that you will add a remote group management feature to radegast?
* [16:00] Latif Khalifa: marvin "brain size of a mountain"?
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: oh hey look it's 4 o'clock
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: size of a galaxy
* [16:00] Latif Khalifa: hehe
* [16:00] Marigold Devin: midnight here. Turn into a pumpkin time
* [16:01] SHAMUS Carter: oh will the xmpp be open to external clients hint hint
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: and here I am stuck running these office hours. typical.
* [16:01] Marigold Devin: Always passes quick does this OH
* [16:01] Latif Khalifa: Lone, you cannot really do remote admin without logging in
* [16:01] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: thanks everyone for coming!!
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: have a good day