Adult Content User Group/08/22/2011

==Attendees List==
*Brett (brett)
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)
*Evelynn Kidd (evelynn.kidd)
*Ginette Pinazzo (ginette.pinazzo)
*Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
*Hypatia Meili (hypatia.meili)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Kimiko Yiyuan (kimiko.yiyuan)
*Malarwen (malarwen)
*Pagan Sunburn (pagan.sunburn)
*Qie (qie)
*Silvanus (silvanus)
*Storyof Oh (storyof.oh)
*Viale Linden (viale.linden)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
==Transcript for Monday August 22, 2011==
[11:01]	Zada Bury 	adding to the 227 pictures I have to work?
[11:01]	Silvanus 	ha if this isnt rude: fist level LOL
[11:01]	Ginette Pinazzo 	only 227?
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	Hi everyone
[11:02]	Zada Bury 	Heya Viale
[11:02]	Malarwen 	hello
[11:02]	Innula Zenovka 	hi, Viale
[11:02]	Zada Bury 	Oh, welcome to a new Linden
[11:02]	Hypatia Meili 	1st
[11:02]	Silvanus 	hi Viale (hi Avenue)
[11:02]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Viale (Hi Avenue)
[11:02]	Hypatia Meili 	hi viale (high street)
[11:02]	Ginette Pinazzo 	hi Brett
[11:02]	Innula Zenovka 	Hi, Brett
[11:02]	Brett 	hi everyone :)
[11:02]	Silvanus 	Hi Brett
[11:02]	Zada Bury 	WElcome Brett.
[11:02]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Hello there.
[11:02]	draconis.neurocam	hello brett
[11:02]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Brett
[11:02]	Malarwen 	tad bit laggy
[11:03]	Viale Linden 	oh - is brett here already
[11:03]	Malarwen 	is Blondin coming today?
[11:03]	Hypatia Meili 	Hypatia Meili wonders what Vaile is lugging about in that bag
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[11:03]	Viale Linden 	Slaton is still on vacation
[11:03]	Brett 	hi marc. i'm here :)
[11:03]	Huntress Catteneo	yeah, little bit of chat lag
[11:03]	Ginette Pinazzo 	youd need a tiem machien for that Malarwen (you'd Need a machien for them That Malarwen)
[11:03]	Malarwen 	oh is he gone?
[11:04]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes Malarwen, soem tiem ago
[11:04]	Viale Linden 	I have invited Brett to our meeting to review teh Destinattion Guide and how it can help us promote adult content
[11:04]	Malarwen 	he, i was wondering why i haven't heard from him
[11:04]	Malarwen 	that explains it
[11:04]	Viale Linden 	The Zexpo team is already working with Brett
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	We plan to give you a brief overview and then listen to your needs with the DG
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	Then we will schedule a round trip for Brett
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	Brett - are you ready
[11:05]	Brett 	absolutely! :)
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	Brett Linden!
[11:06]	Brett 	hi everyone - thanks for attending...I work with Viale at LL in the editorial capacity here
[11:06]	Brett 	I'm a Managing Editor working daily on the Destination Guide
[11:06]	Brett 	...and I want to let you know a bit about what we are up to
[11:06]	Brett 	We are planning to promote in the Destination Guide later this week (right prior to the event) and also we'll have a blog post on the SL Blog, as well for the ZEXPO.
[11:06]	Brett 	(the ZEXPO)
[11:07]	Brett 	I've been working with Ginette on the copy and image already
[11:07]	Brett 	so you'll see that in a few days
[11:07]	Brett 	...also, I wanted to mention that at LL we are investigating better ways to help integrate Zindra locations into the Destination Guide
[11:07]	Viale Linden 	also adult content in general
[11:08]	Brett 	for today, I'd like to listen to your thoughts so that we can have an internal discussion re: how we might support the adult community
[11:08]	Brett 	on the Destination Guide, in particular
[11:08]	Brett 	then, I think I might be back next week with more concrete info
[11:09]	Brett 	but we are looking at some more support...for example, we've started to include some A-rated regions in the DG already
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Zindra help Vortex has bene in theert for a long tiem,...a few months anyway
[11:09]	Viale Linden 	OK
[11:10]	Viale Linden 	this crowd usually has more questions
[11:10]	Innula Zenovka 	is this the guide we see on the new log-in page?
[11:10]	Viale Linden 	good question
[11:11]	Brett 	it is part of it. The DG is seen on the web, in search and now on the login page
[11:11]	Brett 	there are "feeds" that are published multiple places
[11:11]	Viale Linden 	Featured Items will for sure
[11:11]	Brett 	We're still expanding the backend functionality but we do display some it on the login page
[11:12]	Viale Linden 	Innula ~ the login screen is only picked up by V2 right now
[11:12]	Malarwen 	I have a question. Do any Lindens actually have office hours open for any topic where we could bring up certain issues?
[11:12]	Viale Linden 	Hold that thought
[11:12]	Hypatia Meili 	I second that
[11:12]	Qie 	Adult content in the Destination Guide is a very positive development. I wonder, is there any thought of customizing the DG content pushed to specific users? (besides the maturity rating threshold, I mean)
[11:12]	Viale Linden 	Lets stay on topic
[11:12]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	How would Destinations, since I guess we are talking about specific destinations here and not a whole region, actually be pciked, especially since well...adult content might be a bit tricky to promote, I assume (otherwise that issue might have been solved long ago)?
[11:12]	Silvanus 	I am sure LL has already some ideas about what should be displayed to Adult-interested residents, who are new to this topic. When its promoted by LL there will some further advices what and how to display I think. To keep it within reason...
[11:12]	Brett 	qie - that is an excellent point...and yes. we are very much thinking about that.
[11:13]	Malarwen 	Viale..i dont' mind staying on topc..just tell me when and where i can talk off topic
[11:13]	Qie 	cool. thanks.
[11:13]	Counter Landfall 	I don't have a question really, but more a comment:
[11:13]	Brett 	that is some of the "new" functionality we are still working on...but we are thinking of that scenario.
[11:13]	Brett 	the key thing we are locking down re: adult content for the DG is the editorial criteria. We editorial curate this content to a wide audience...so we are thinking PG-13-ish in terms of image and text descriptions.
[11:14]	Innula Zenovka 	what sort of destinations are you looking for? some of us might want to promote our shops as destinations, but i'm not sure how appropriate you would think that.. though i have seen shops there
[11:14]	Brett 	There are (and always will be) classifieds for paid placement of non-editorially filtered promotion
[11:14]	Viale Linden 	good question innula
[11:14]	Hypatia Meili 	well th search filtering certinly doesnt match PG 13
[11:14]	Hypatia Meili 	its more random
[11:15]	Malarwen 	Brett, Viale...could i get at least an answer? Please?
[11:15]	Brett 	hi innula...for all destinations, we have published criteria that will continue to apply to all-rated regions. one sec for link
[11:15]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Ah, good.
[11:15]	Brett 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Destination_Guide_FAQ
[11:15]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks
[11:16]	Counter Landfall 	I don't have a question really, but more a comment:
[11:16]	Counter Landfall 	Presence in DG is important, but more important for the 2600 or so adult regions are visibility in search. Which is why we have suggested you make everyone confirm their age, and guide them to set their maturity preferences in the viewer.
[11:17]	Brett 	malarwen - i'll defer to marc re: office hours. i am in the editorial capacity only here.
[11:18]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Brett - lets stay on the DG
[11:18]	Brett 	thank you for your comment, counter.
[11:18]	Pagan Sunburn 	I have a question. I have seen a few place that are adult in nature but advrtise underage roleplay. How will these places be dealt with when they are reported?
[11:19]	Brett 	So one thing I am actively working on are the guidelines for possible includion of more adult content in the DG. Pagan, your ?? is at the heart of that discussion that is underway
[11:20]	Pagan Sunburn 	Okay.
[11:20]	Brett 	The DG is meant for a wide audience at this point, so any A-rated content there would have a PG-13-ish description and image -- nothing explicit.
[11:21]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	So does this mean this place can actually be anywhere on any mainland, and not just Zindra continent?
[11:21]	Brett 	However, as mentioned in chat earlier, LL is investigating better ways to deliver DG content by maturity rating...so the immediate opportunity is in moderated "PG-13"-style listings.
[11:22]	Silvanus 	btw. wide audience: are you going to present special topics like informations about gay and other specialized .... too? -> how to keep this PG?
[11:22]	Brett 	As an editor, I review all entry suggestions that come in...so many A-rated regions are not Zindra-specific.
[11:22]	Brett 	yes, to LGBT - we already have that
[11:22]	Counter Landfall 	Well, if you get everyone on the grid to confirm their age and set mautiry you will reach a very wide audience even if you filkter on adult in DG
[11:22]	Brett 	http://secondlife.com/destinations/gay
[11:22]	Silvanus 	ty : ) (Company:))
[11:23]	Pagan Sunburn 	The main concern I have is that the adult sex related places I have seen that advertise the illegal underage roleplay. Isn't that against ToS?
[11:23]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Alright. Just asking because there was once a time when the plan seems to be to put everything adult on Zindra (private islands excluded). I laways wondered though how this could actually be controlled.
[11:24]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	to have been, even
[11:24]	Counter Landfall 	The key thing here is to enable the audience to search and access adult if they want to
[11:24]	Brett 	I think that is a fair question, Pagan. All I can say is that we intend to keep places listed in the DG compliant with ToS.
[11:24]	Storyof Oh 	i think we know it cannot be controlled
[11:24]	Evelynn Kidd 	PAGAN get off your soap box
[11:24]	Counter Landfall 	and because of your new age verify procedure that is easy for everyone to do now
[11:25]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Yes, Story, was kind of a rhetoric question.
[11:25]	Silvanus 	I think its up to us residents to keep SL excitements within reason, Storyof
[11:25]	Storyof Oh 	;)
[11:26]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	So this means that everyone that kind of sticks to the PG - 13 conent description has a chance to end up in the DG, no matter where the place is located.
[11:26]	Viale Linden 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Adult_Content_FAQ
[11:26]	Counter Landfall 	Pagan, if you feel that there is content of underage nature on the grid, you can also contact your local police about it.
[11:26]	Pagan Sunburn 	Evelynn, I am not saying anything out of the way or offensive so please do not personally attack me or my statements like that.
[11:26]	Innula Zenovka 	i was chatting recently with the owners of a capture RP sim -- a Gor one -- who were wondering about ways to promote themselves.. they might apply for the DG, I guess, but they'd also be worried about lots of people turning up who didn't understand the RP, didn't they're not supposed to start shooting folks with guns and so on.. any suggestions for them?
[11:26]	Viale Linden 	That is a helpful link for Pagan
[11:27]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	I am not really familiar with the PG - 13 criteria.
[11:27]	Viale Linden 	Innula- that is a good example
[11:27]	Viale Linden 	Brett has a hard shutt off at 11:30
[11:27]	Brett 	innula, please encourage them to apply or email editor@lindenlab.com
[11:28]	Viale Linden 	we will schedule a round trip for Brett
[11:28]	Viale Linden 	good stuff
[11:28]	Innula Zenovka 	i shall do, Brett..
[11:28]	Counter Landfall 	I invite her to our Sunday group meeting
[11:28]	Storyof Oh 	i thought SL was 16+ now or has that slipped back?
[11:28]	Brett 	Thanks, everyone! I hope to see you again with an update soon :) Thanks!
[11:28]	Qie 	Thanks Brett
[11:28]	Innula Zenovka 	will you be able to help allay their concerns, or suggest ways they might mitigate any potential problems?
[11:28]	Viale Linden 	Brett will try to give some more guidelines based on your feedback
[11:28]	Counter Landfall 	it is every Sunday at noon PDT
[11:29]	Zada Bury 	Before he becomes shooted, better say now "Thank you for your time, Brett. ^_^ "
[11:29]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Thanks Brett.
[11:29]	Brett 	c ya :) (c ya:))
[11:29]	Counter Landfall 	Thanks Brett
[11:29]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Brett
[11:29]	Pagan Sunburn 	Thanks Brett, I hope you look ove the logs when you are done here.
[11:29]	Silvanus 	thank you , Brett
[11:29]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks, Brett
[11:29]	Counter Landfall 	brb
[11:30]	Counter Landfall 	back
[11:30]	Viale Linden 	Malarwen - is your question related to the Adult User Group?
[11:31]	Huntress Catteneo	damn call for help at vortex
[11:31]	Malarwen 	no, my question is related to the governenance team
[11:31]	Qie 	Qie snorts
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[11:31]	Malarwen 	except with some old timer lindens gone i dont' know where to go
[11:31]	Viale Linden 	Ok - Please send me an email and I will try to direct to the right person
[11:31]	Viale Linden 	community@lindenlab.com
[11:31]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[11:31]	Hypatia Meili 	the problem is ther in no where to bring up question not already on sombodys agenda
[11:32]	Malarwen 	I can try *smirks*
[11:32]	Hypatia Meili 	its an on going problem
[11:32]	Ginette Pinazzo 	inj theory, Hypa..you can add to the agenda for this meeting..in theory
[11:32]	Hypatia Meili 	and that goes for help tickets too!
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	I posted the Adult Welcome Guidelines on rthe agenda
[11:32]	Malarwen 	yes. What happened to linden office hours open to any agenda?
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	we will be taking submissions until 9/12/11
[11:33]	Malarwen 	i have an issue of actual criminal activity within SL and can't get help anywhere. So i will just send another email and expect no response
[11:33]	Viale Linden 	Please contact CS
[11:33]	Malarwen 	so the cops will have to deal with it
[11:33]	Malarwen 	yeah
[11:33]	Malarwen 	i did Viale
[11:33]	Viale Linden 	Ok - please call the police too
[11:34]	Malarwen 	yes, we will have to do that
[11:34]	Hypatia Meili 	and help tosses out any ticket not in a predifinded catagory
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	If there is criminal acticvity
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	Please send me an email
[11:34]	Malarwen 	yes there is. Cyberbullying is a felony..fyi
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	back to agenda
[11:34]	Storyof Oh 	gret way to get the whole game shut down
[11:34]	Malarwen 	I've been in Sl for years...but this is the least help from LL I've seen
[11:34]	Malarwen 	very disappointing
[11:35]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Mal - please send me an email (Thanks once - please send me an email)
[11:35]	Malarwen 	adios (goodbye)
[11:35]	Counter Landfall 	Bye
[11:35]	Viale Linden 	bye
[11:35]	Evelynn Kidd 	good ridence
[11:35]	Evelynn Kidd 	i mean good bye
[11:35]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[11:35]	Counter Landfall 	Question to Viale: will we get the terms for the 4 sims on sale today?
[11:36]	Hypatia Meili 	do we have a link?
[11:36]	Viale Linden 	counter - terms will be part of the post submission process
[11:36]	Counter Landfall 	and what is the pre submission process?
[11:37]	Hypatia Meili 	no will sbumit for a pig in a poke
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	https://docs.google.com/a/lindenlab.com/document/d/1ou1-uettLf8_ybksVnweAbS4B-U91eAKEAwMUMfwaW0/edit?hl=en_US&ndplr=1
[11:37]	Hypatia Meili 	whats LLs prposal
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	Please review and send us questions if any
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	via email
[11:37]	Counter Landfall 	thansk, will do
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I have read the proposla with the same enthusiasm that Im sure LL has read any of ZEG's proposals in the past 2 months'
[11:38]	Viale Linden 	we need proposals by 9/12
[11:38]	Storyof Oh 	9th December?
[11:38]	Silvanus 	lol story
[11:38]	Viale Linden 	Sept 12 2011 (September 12, 2011)
[11:39]	Storyof Oh 	global game come on we have our dates right lol
[11:39]	Viale Linden 	Agenda items - Ginette - you have some listed
[11:39]	Storyof Oh 	ty viale (ty Avenue)
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I woudl porefer to remove my items at this point
[11:39]	Qie 	eep. What means "Use of Zindra name will be reserved exclusively for four regions" ... does that mean nobody else can mention Zindra in our parcel descriptions, or in content names, if listed in Search??
[11:39]	Counter Landfall 	getting Google document errors, could you make a PDF for us?
[11:39]	Qie 	oh, sorry... I'll send by email.
[11:39]	Viale Linden 	Parcel names
[11:40]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Qie
[11:40]	Viale Linden 	I will include as a PDF
[11:40]	Counter Landfall 	that would be good
[11:40]	Huntress Catteneo	hope someone can fill me in later on what I missed :)
[11:41]	Viale Linden 	Huntress - I will post chat
[11:41]	Huntress Catteneo	cool
[11:41]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Zindra as a primary search term for adult content..hmm, I guess I get something wrong here. Does this mean you get locations on Zindra first when you search for adult content, or that Zindra will become a serch term?
[11:41]	Viale Linden 	after meeting
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	Today, you get the zindra sim.
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	1st position for "zindra'
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	and you get Zindra help Vortex
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	The zindra sim willl be renamed
[11:42]	Hypatia Meili 	is that why zindra sim is being renamed mosh south?
[11:43]	Viale Linden 	rename is TBd, but yes for example it could be renamed mosh south
[11:44]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I have a broad question: why are we here? what is the purpose anymore?
[11:44]	Hypatia Meili 	and vortex or is th serat issue
[11:44]	Hypatia Meili 	what is ACUG?
[11:44]	Hypatia Meili 	actuly
[11:44]	Viale Linden 	Hypatia - one more time?
[11:44]	Innula Zenovka 	am i understanding this right, Viale.. we won't be able to put "Zindra" in the parcel name, but it will be ok to mention Zindra in the parcel description?
[11:44]	Viale Linden 	correct
[11:45]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks.
[11:45]	Viale Linden 	people do that today
[11:45]	Hypatia Meili 	ther seem to be difrent peception of what ACUG means
[11:45]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I, and others I'm sure, were under the mistaken impression that the new User Group format was a bit more of a back-and-forth dialogue between LL and residents. (not like the old Office Hours, but perhaps more engaging) Each User group varies, but I doubt anyone likes coming here, and spending an hour of time, being told what to do. Motivation is waning.
[11:45]	Viale Linden 	Well I think we are making progress on items
[11:46]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	I am just asking myself who will search for "Zindra" or "Mosh South" or whatever. People type in things like "Sex" or "boob club". So does it really matter if Zindra or whatever is aprimary search term? As I said, maybe I do not get something.
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo 	how so?
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	Getting your content promoted and resolving the welcome issues
[11:46]	Counter Landfall 	I don't think Zindra is much of a search item at all
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo 	progress by destryoing things? thats negative motion, not positive
[11:46]	Counter Landfall 	would be intersting to get some stats on that Viale
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	Ginette - please explain
[11:46]	Huntress Catteneo	ooo haven't tried boob club, must do that
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	I think you have lots to be excited about
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	with Zexpo
[11:46]	Qie 	Uh. I'm probably not representative, but I think there's much better opportunity for Adult content with the recent changes, than before.
[11:47]	Hypatia Meili 	also some statements by LL seem to indicate that ACUG is a set "Group" thatLL is talking with , rather then an open office hours
[11:47]	Ginette Pinazzo 	zexpo does not exist ina vaccuum...it ONLY exists becaiuse of a long period of momentum and buildup and otehr projects......your scheme will elimibate that potential
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	I think there was an unfair tilt toward linden favored reisdents
[11:47]	Hypatia Meili 	this doen ot fit the basic concept (ot do this fit the basic concept)
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	I want to let market forces take over
[11:47]	Innula Zenovka 	Innula Zenovka agrees with Qie.. we seem to have got a lot more done in the last couple of months than we did for a long time
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[11:47]	Counter Landfall 	Ginette, you are free to have as many zexpos as you want
[11:47]	Silvanus 	Zindra as name becomes known when LL starts to promote it, associate it with Adult on the DG
[11:48]	Counter Landfall 	keep up the good work
[11:48]	Counter Landfall 	the only difference is that you dont get free land for it
[11:48]	Ginette Pinazzo 	excuse me?
[11:48]	Ginette Pinazzo 	firstly, viale....There already is a group that runs that Island, its called Zindra Expo group....so you are effectively destroying the work of that group in one move.
[11:48]	Hypatia Meili 	cani ask a question is this an open submition , who els has it ben prposed to other then zexpo and ZA
[11:49]	Hypatia Meili 	if neither group submits then what?
[11:49]	Viale Linden 	Ginette
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I remember a few times, Counter claiming that LL was 'using' me all those months, as if I were a tool of some type. I would certainly disagree with that 100%. With Blondin and the other LL relationships, it was very positive, and mutually supportive. Counter confused 'helping' with 'being used'. I was never used in any way. ...but really worked in a partnership.......helping.....
[11:49]	Qie 	Hypa: good point.
[11:49]	Viale Linden 	The point is that we are promoting Zexpo.
[11:49]	Viale Linden 	You are free to have future zexpos
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo 	However, with THIS current relationship, I see us all being used. Myself and the Zindra Expo group....used to build and build a positive momentum, marketable concepts, healthy growth, only to see LL disrespect the countless hours of work and passion by trying to erase it. This affects ZEXPO 2011, affects every program before it and after it, and affects hearts and minds. It's an insult to hundreds of people, and will impact far more. ........
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Organic growth? This is more like chopping down the rainforest.
[11:50]	Storyof Oh 	do LL seriously think there could be a resident controlled group looking after these sims without blood on the carpet?
[11:50]	Qie 	It would be interesting to see a Zindra Gatewary submission from Stroker, for example, or somebody like him (as if anybody could be like Stroker)
[11:50]	Silvanus 	any dagger attached, Story?
[11:51]	Viale Linden 	All of you are free to submit a proposal for the welcome area
[11:51]	Innula Zenovka 	yeah.. i'm looking forward to Stroker's ideas
[11:51]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I wont pretend to understand this proposal. ....The only thing I can guess is that maybe viale has become so frustrated, thinking that we don't 'get along', ( a total misread, by the way) that he is trying to unite us one last time, by having us all hate something equally. The 'common enemy' technique?
[11:51]	Qie 	but does he know to submit, Innula? I don't know how he, Amethyst R, etc., etc., come to know about it.
[11:52]	Viale Linden 	Only strategy is to bring residents forward and not have LL as a middle person
[11:52]	Zada Bury 	But , Viale, I think, ther will be no more ZExpo's ... or other this large events. These events "pay" nothing direct to us in money. If from 10 visitors 1 take a landmark and come to the individual parcels ... or 1 buy something on the event ... I think, that's optimistic counted. make more "from 20 1". These events are work, maybe a bit fun ... mainly work. They not pay us in L$ ... their would never pay the Sim-Tier ... but they pay back in ... visitors for Zindra and adverties for SL aswell.
[11:52]	Innula Zenovka 	a very good point, Qie.. maybe Viale can tell us how it's being publicised
[11:52]	Huntress Catteneo	is the submission system available anywhere to look at yet?
[11:52]	Silvanus 	how are the proposals you get rated? who will get the acceptance, Viale?
[11:53]	Innula Zenovka 	or should we be making a point of showing it to people we think might be interested?
[11:53]	Viale Linden 	It is posted on the adult user group agenda
[11:53]	Hypatia Meili 	you beter get it out to othetr submitters (you better get it out to submitters othetr)
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	you are not bringing residents forward, viale.....you are csaring them away in droves with this
[11:53]	Innula Zenovka 	yes, but not everyone reads that, Viale
[11:53]	Counter Landfall 	Zada, that is exaclty why ZA never thought these mega events is a good idea dn the right focus. We need a steady trickle.
[11:53]	Hypatia Meili 	be caus as a member of both ZA and zexpo , i donot see either gorup managing paying the tier
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	you sepak of organic growth, and market-driven...yet this is , in actuality, the ultimate interference from LL
[11:53]	Hypatia Meili 	soits going tobe a no go period
[11:54]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	There could well be people around that might think that it is actually you (or whoever) using LL here though, Ginette. I am wearing the Advocatus Diaboli tag today so I say from an LL standpoint it is a rather understandable move...
[11:54]	Viale Linden 	I think the DG will be good resource going forward Zada
[11:54]	Zada Bury 	Ok, Counter .... but there would be the option to say "let them do, we not say YES to is ... but also not NO".
[11:54]	Qie 	yeah... we better be publicizing this ourselves... because most Adult content providers wrote off this meeting long ago, as too Zindra-centric.... which is probably not a fair characterization any more, but they don't know that.
[11:54]	Ginette Pinazzo 	so a few peoeplo will own the island s and LL will promote it as an ofifcial gatewya. which is a million tiems mor unfair thna anything else coudl ever have been
[11:54]	Innula Zenovka 	there's a longstanding problem that a lot of Adult Content people think the Adult Content Group is Zindra-only.. it's not, but that's the impression that's been formed over the last year or so
[11:54]	Counter Landfall 	managing the tier is not such a big problem, managing the sims is a bigger hurdle
[11:54]	Hypatia Meili 	or they wil get no takers
[11:55]	Hypatia Meili 	its both
[11:55]	Viale Linden 	agree counter
[11:55]	Viale Linden 	I imagine it could be great opportunity for you all
[11:55]	Counter Landfall 	Actually they don't Innula. The problem is that Zindra has been margninalized by all the adult content remaining in M regions
[11:55]	Ginette Pinazzo 	good luck finding a party that will pay LL toi manage a promotional island
[11:56]	Hypatia Meili 	its actuly on the up swing agin
[11:56]	Viale Linden 	Ginetter ~ are you against submitting a proposal>
[11:56]	Hypatia Meili 	i did som exploring
[11:56]	Zada Bury 	195 US$ x 4 ... monthly ... maybe sounds not that bad for you ... but ... nobody ... ok, thinking about the breedable horses "less people" .... will pay for a horse, they can't ride.
[11:56]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I am againmst the ethics of this entire scenario
[11:56]	Hypatia Meili 	adult in mature
[11:56]	Innula Zenovka 	news to me that Sensations or Eventide are M rated
[11:57]	Counter Landfall 	when did Eventide become an M region?
[11:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I already own plenty of Zindra land....as much as I need..if I wanted to buy more, I would
[11:57]	Viale Linden 	Lets see what the submission process brings forward
[11:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yoru entire proposal is an insult before it even gets submissions
[11:57]	Viale Linden 	I also look forrward to helping you all with the Destination Guide
[11:57]	Storyof Oh 	what happens if no one applies?
[11:57]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	If that goes on like this LL will probably put the sims on sale on the general market and period.
[11:57]	Hypatia Meili 	who els have you let know there is a process?
[11:57]	Counter Landfall 	Ginette, it is not an insult
[11:57]	Innula Zenovka 	that's what i'm saying, it's not.. so i don't see what you mean about the Adult content being on M
[11:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	counter.....it is an insult..maybe not to you
[11:58]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Just like any sim.
[11:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	why am I veen bothering with ZEXPO? so we ca lose all the momentum?" I wont be used. not oen swecond lonbger
[11:58]	Counter Landfall 	can you please explain the insult Ginette?
[11:58]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Which is what they probably should have done right from the start....
[11:59]	Hypatia Meili 	counter doen view comercail the sam as you do ginete, why dont youboth leave it at that (counter view comercail do the sam ginete if you do, why dont youboth leave it at that)
[11:59]	Ginette Pinazzo 	viale...its the Island Campaign and thinsg liek it thta even make ZEXPO-type events possible at all......hello?
[11:59]	Viale Linden 	Ginette - any positive items from your Zexpi event to bring up before we go?
[11:59]	Counter Landfall 	and what is the connection between zexpo the event and some random sims?
[11:59]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I had 2 greta topics. but they are irrelevent now
[11:59]	Viale Linden 	ok
[12:00]	Viale Linden 	I am available by email , if you want to talk
[12:00]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I do not see the point, at this point
[12:00]	Zada Bury 	Well ... a fast hour.
[12:01]	Viale Linden 	We look forward to helping you promote Zexpo, if that is any solace
[12:01]	Zada Bury 	Mmm... "the event causes user hours"?
[12:01]	Hypatia Meili 	wellwe got the "prposal" andnow we wait fo viale to sort his many submtions
[12:01]	Counter Landfall 	If zexpo, the event, depends on access to free land, then zexpo is not viable.
[12:01]	Qie 	You know... if this is done right, the Gateway and the Destination Guide attention could make the M-sited Adult content a backwater of those too lame to afford an Adult address, instead of the scam it is now.
[12:01]	Ginette Pinazzo 	its empty promoting it if you are at same time, underminign it
[12:01]	Zada Bury 	good for the quarter-values ...
[12:01]	Hypatia Meili 	not sure who wil be making them tho
[12:01]	Viale Linden 	Qie +1
[12:01]	Huntress Catteneo	speedbuild went well
[12:02]	Viale Linden 	Ginette - i am open if you want to schedule some discussion time
[12:02]	Hypatia Meili 	agmda fpor next week toipc 1, were there any submitions?
[12:02]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Huntress?. Hypa? Zada? interested in taking over as ZEXPO producer? the opening could coem ay any minute
[12:02]	Viale Linden 	Hypatia
[12:02]	Storyof Oh 	bank holiday next week lol
[12:02]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I have actual work to do...ciao
[12:03]	Hypatia Meili 	can switchnoow for curent show
[12:03]	Hypatia Meili 	not enogh time
[12:03]	Counter Landfall 	Bye Ginette
[12:03]	Zada Bury 	oh, I am busy enough in the moment
[12:03]	Huntress Catteneo	*sigh*
[12:03]	Silvanus 	see you Gina : )
[12:03]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Bye Ginette.
[12:03]	Huntress Catteneo	you are a bigger person than that Gina
[12:03]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I will nevcer let the peoepl down that count on things, Hunt...never
[12:04]	Hypatia Meili 	evetuly it to much
[12:04]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I believe in integrity and honouring past commitment
[12:04]	Hypatia Meili 	lets fish up the curent zexpo
[12:04]	Huntress Catteneo	yes
[12:04]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I do not believe in spitting in the facwe of thsoe who work hard, hundres pof them
[12:04]	Hypatia Meili 	its sad ther probly wont be another tho
[12:04]	Viale Linden 	Bye everyone.
[12:04]	Evelynn Kidd 	thanks Only, it was a good meeting and you did well keeping it on track
[12:04]	Qie 	thanks Viale
[12:04]	Huntress Catteneo	so don't talk of others taking over atm
[12:04]	Counter Landfall 	Bye Viale (Bye Avenue)
[12:04]	Zada Bury 	*waves to Viale*
[12:04]	Innula Zenovka 	Bye, Viale.. thanks (Bye, Viale .. thanks)
[12:04]	Kimiko Yiyuan 	Bye Viale. (Bye Avenue.)
[12:05]	Silvanus 	ty Viale, tc (Viale company, tc)
[12:05]	Hypatia Meili 	bye Viale (bye Avenue)
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