Open Source Meeting/2010-04-20

== Transcript ==
[13:55]	:	I'me somewhere in this cloaud
[13:55]	:	That's "future" for PDT, is it not?
[13:55]	:	ctrl alt particles + ctrl alt volume
[13:56]	:	um ... what am I standing on?
[13:56]	:	It would be "history" for my local time.
[13:56]	:	We got today's topic
[13:56]	:	Hi Merov
[13:56]	:	Yea o/ a linden showed up.
[13:56]	:	hey
[13:57]	:	Time for god powers.
[13:57]	:	Looks like another Brazilan left you another present.
[13:57]	:	if i had EM it would be easy ;-/ seems stupid as i have 1/2 the island not to be
[13:58]	:	Merov... ad-hoc topic... should estate/parcel be groupd to Snowglobe?
[13:58]	:	/me stares int the darkness.
[13:58]	:	It's NOT full of stars.
[13:58]	:	There a new topic. Should things be redone and have a regine decated to snowglobe/open source?
[13:58]	:	yay
[13:59]	:	/me waits for the smole to settle
[13:59]	:	the *smoke
[13:59]	:	smoke break
[13:59]	:	oh there is a smoke object behind
[14:00]	:	smoke source is an unclickable object.
[14:00]	:	its transparent
[14:00]	:	I have trans on
[14:00]	:	Azl Mist Generator
[14:01]	:	Owned by Haukai Looming
[14:01]	:	anyone with return power?
[14:01]	:	Merov
[14:02]	:	yes
[14:02]	:	trying to find a way to click that object
[14:02]	:	i can click it, but Tech can't either
[14:02]	:	I'm really a noob in griefing handling
[14:02]	:	Control 3, drag a frame
[14:02]	:	i can just right click fine
[14:02]	:	Give me temp estate manager powers I can get rid o fit.
[14:03]	:	I found a way to click it.
[14:04]	:	turn off graphic particles... turn in trans... its right by tech
[14:05]	:	or we could go sit around the opensource camp fire in the other corner?
[14:05]	:	wow, truning off particails jump fps from 5 to 45
[14:06]	:	ok, I think I got it
[14:06]	:	You did.
[14:06]	:	how's that for everybody now
[14:06]	:	?
[14:06]	:	You got it.
[14:06]	:	good
[14:06]	:	fine
[14:06]	:	good show
[14:06]	:	thanks for the crash course in griefing handling :)
[14:07]	:	that's the first time I use god mode for anything like that
[14:07]	:	Hehe
[14:07]	:	More devolopers should be welecome area and experence griefting first hand. hehe
[14:07]	:	/me votes for the inactive parts of this island to be turned over to Snowglobe group... ?
[14:07]	:	I went to one of those as a Linden only once... never again!
[14:08]	:	I tried to talk Merov into visiting Ahern but he chose to not soil himself thusly.
[14:08]	:	hmm ... particles don't move or fade while hidden? I have to turn them back on for them to move away ...
[14:08]	:	Merov, they are great for crash testing viewers
[14:08]	:	I wonder what causes particle floods like that to drop the fps so much: is that some cpu overhead of particles, or just trying to composit many alpha textures one on top of the other?
[14:08]	:	I go there as an alt
[14:08]	:	This part is owned by Liana Linden, not grouped owned.
[14:08]	:	i park snowglobe at Morris Ahern and wait for the gdb catch
[14:08]	:	so no god mode
[14:09]	:	well, those darn particles are still around...
[14:09]	:	They have cleared for me.
[14:09]	:	Thsi meeting should be better, no conflict with the brown bag. :-)
[14:09]	:	They cleared up for me.
[14:09]	:	did I miss something? :)
[14:09]	:	You have to unhide the particles to move.
[14:10]	:	Merov, click on the object again, your client has not clear it out of its view.
[14:10]	:	ok, so, I haven't seen anything on the adenda
[14:10]	:	They take their sweet time to clean up after you unhide them
[14:10]	:	agenda
[14:10]	:	set particles to 0... another way
[14:10]	:	+Dzon
[14:10]	:	or 1
[14:10]	:	Aleric, just some sandbox-style litter.
[14:11]	:	After a griefter attact, I notice that sometime particial emitter stay around, but when I right click the object, they disapear as the sim send the object update again that clear s it out
[14:11]	:	Ardy it was intentional as me and Dz were sitting here when they rezed it on top of us
[14:12]	:	Relog can do the same also....
[14:12]	:	sorry about that
[14:12]	:	crashed SG2.0 Mac ... :(
[14:12]	:	using 1.3.2 now
[14:13]	:	ok so, what was I saying...
[14:13]	:	Previous TPV meeting a sim crashed right? I heard that was done on purpose by a malicious viewer coder who wants to make the relationship between LL and open source coders bad.
[14:13]	:	So, maybe they came here too now, for same reason?
[14:13]	:	yes: SG2.0, I synced with viewer-hotfix a couple of times last week
[14:13]	:	Nah it was to low skilled idiots
[14:14]	:	they were messing around causing problems, they are not sklled hackers
[14:14]	:	the export, then merge and build all seem to work nicely
[14:14]	:	I nonticed it has a fix for the flying-while-sitting bug
[14:14]	:	I'm going to work on SG1.x merge now more seriously
[14:14]	:	Thanks to me build patches. :-D
[14:15]	:	</eagle>
[14:15]	:	for 1.x, I'm sorry I still haven't rebuilt those darn packages
[14:15]	:	/me cheers Tech and Merov!
[14:15]	:	I made progress though and all platforms do build now
[14:15]	:	but they fail on the upload of the bundles...
[14:15]	:	Thickbrick contrubited to some build fixes also.
[14:16]	:	some s3put script weirdness
[14:16]	:	the good news at least it's that it's the same problem on all platforms now... so I've hope to solve it once and for all...
[14:16]	:	the build fix I commited was by Techwolf
[14:17]	:	I need to fix all these so that we can hit some cruising speed on patch intergration again
[14:17]	:	I'm eager to get back there
[14:17]	:	as we have a *huge* backlog of patches...
[14:17]	:	:(
[14:17]	:	some of the patches are ports
[14:17]	:	Over 6 months of non-externial viewer devolopment you have to catch up on. You are about there now. :-)
[14:17]	:	yes, tru
[14:18]	:	true
[14:18]	:	yeah... need moar reviewers
[14:18]	:	Merov, and one more patch to submite is on my list.
[14:18]	:	yes, we also need more committers :)
[14:19]	:	should we go through those patches now?
[14:19]	:	/me checks the JIRA
[14:19]	:	may be some of them
[14:19]	:	/me checks for his...
[14:19]	:	... cause I didn't think the tpv policy would be fixed satisfactory, I'm afraid I committed myself to work for some opensim grid (their viewer)... meta7. I'm currently looking at porting their 500 kB patch to the latest emerald source tree.... so :/ ... well... can't just drop that again now....
[14:20]	:	I think the Agenda is still last week's except for SNOW-592
[14:20]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-592 
 [#SNOW-592] gstreamer 0.10.28 standalone build failure
[14:20]	:	I have....592 and 497
[14:20]	:	Aleric: I hope you feel somewhat better wrt TPVP now
[14:21]	:	on meta7, is that a viewer branched from Snowglobe?
[14:21]	:	I'm curious
[14:21]	:	Merov: I do, but my TODO list was already overloaded and I pushed that work to the top of my TODO list on top of that.... so I don't think I'll be available for reviewing or SG 2.0 stuff for a long time.
[14:21]	:	VWR-9541 is that current info?
[14:21]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9541 
 [#VWR-9541] Included boost libraries prevent VC90 from compiling and linking the second life source correctly
[14:22]	:	The mulit-grid and account login needs to be ported from snowglobe 1.x
[14:22]	:	+some fixes
[14:22]	:	No the meta7 viewer is branched from emerald, which is branched from snowglobe 1.3 (not released yet)
[14:22]	:	Techwolf: Pixel said she'll do that port
[14:23]	:	That is, they had it mased on emerald 1101, and now I'm porting it to the not-yet-released emerald based on 1.3.1
[14:23]	:	well, meta7 share DNA with SG then... good! :)
[14:23]	:	I've no problem with that BTW, just asking :)
[14:23]	:	/me goes back in the chat log:
[14:23]	:	I'm pretty sure this will lead to me coming with patches needed to get snowglobe work on opensim better :p
[14:24]	:	Had a hell of a time tring to log into Latif test grid. None of the 2.0 code accecpted loginuri.
[14:24]	:	SNOW-592
[14:25]	:	Is that the one that I was asked to test? Didn't get around to do that, yet.
[14:25]	:	strange, I thought I saw that patch committed
[14:26]	:	I've seen that code change already
[14:26]	:	snow 1.x http texture was a godsin. :-)
[14:26]	:	Merov, let me check.
[14:26]	:	a godsin!! blasphemy!!
[14:27]	:	592 is not like 612?
[14:27]	:	Nope. Not commited.
[14:28]	:	ok, well, it's worth committing if that fixes building gstreamer standalone
[14:28]	:	is that applicable to both 1.x and 2.0?
[14:28]	:	612 was a different issues and that was fixed.
[14:28]	:	Merov, don't know aobut 1.x. Those builds are b0rked with S3 missing files.
[14:29]	:	rub it in Techwolf... :/
[14:29]	:	/me lol "Sorry, I know it wasn't your fault. It was whoever thought it would be a good idea to purge stuff off."
[14:30]	:	k, I'm going to set the "Fix version" to 2.0 so it's high on my list of thing sto pick up
[14:30]	:	497 patch is a fix for the snow 1.x branch.
[14:32]	:	ok, I edited 592
[14:32]	:	Looks like I put 1.3, 1.4 as affeected has they have the media_plugin code also. But I can't test for now.
[14:33]	:	he did it again
[14:33]	:	understood
[14:33]	:	now, let's move to VWR-9541
[14:33]	:	:-)
[14:33]	:	mentioned by Nicky
[14:34]	:	I have 1-36 boost that built ok
[14:34]	:	per tomm's instructions
[14:34]	:	you're building standalone Nicky?
[14:34]	:	I think VWR-9541 was discussed on Thursday.
[14:35]	:	I mean: you're not using the downloadable binaries for the 3rd party libs, right?
[14:35]	:	no
[14:35]	:	i complied them
[14:36]	:	i well be studid and say idk if it is standalone
[14:36]	:	inculding package though
[14:37]	:	this is a long thread in there so it's hard to follow where it stands on each twist and turn in the road
[14:37]	:	why aren't you using 1.39 again?
[14:37]	:	because the instructions ia had where for 1-36
[14:38]	:	were
[14:38]	:	hmmm...
[14:38]	:	well, I *suffered* a lot through rebuilding some of those libs for SG 1.3
[14:38]	:	anyway I have them in zip if needed
[14:39]	:	with boost.cmake patch
[14:39]	:	we had to use boost 1.39 because of some plugins dependencies
[14:39]	:	so I'm surprised you're settling with 1.36
[14:39]	:	which is what we used before
[14:39]	:	that may be the source of my media plugin problems
[14:40]	:	I bet it is...
[14:40]	:	there were also a tangle of problems with the C run time
[14:41]	:	on runtime errors at all
[14:41]	:	this unraveled and we had to fix lots of libs (curl, cares and boost)
[14:41]	:	no
[14:41]	:	/me digs for the original JIRA
[14:41]	:	I remember the curl stuff. I was consulted for that one.
[14:42]	:	I had curl problems and fixed it on my system and relayed the experenced I had to some Linden that asked me.
[14:43]	:	looks at SNOW-272
[14:43]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-272 
 [#SNOW-272] Error message: media_plugin_webkit occurs on startup
[14:43]	:	but, I only have the plugin issue on VC90
[14:43]	:	that has the whole darn sad story...
[14:43]	:	ok ill review
[14:44]	:	there's a bit of a follow up to that story on SNOW-431
[14:44]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-431 
 [#SNOW-431] Boost downloads for Snowglobe 1.3 aren't really 1.39.0
[14:44]	:	but that was a header mix up only
[14:44]	:	272 as you can see start with plugin issues and goes into all this lib mess on Windows
[14:45]	:	that dragged on for a long time
[14:45]	:	/me has scars...
[14:45]	:	I'm sure you'll find familiar issues in there and, hopefully, some ideas to solve your problem
[14:45]	:	ok
[14:45]	:	Wasn't that your first port of the media stuff from 2.0 before 2.0 was out?
[14:45]	:	yeap
[14:46]	:	it was
[14:46]	:	that turned a "just do a merge" into a major "rebuild all libs" nightmare...
[14:46]	:	scars... I'm telling you...
[14:46]	:	eeek....
[14:46]	:	is there a regression?
[14:47]	:	I may have to test some required depends version numbers.
[14:47]	:	a regression from where to where?
[14:47]	:	is the same porblem in 2.0?
[14:47]	:	by mistake
[14:48]	:	aha! o right: 2.0 must use boost 1.39 and all the newer libs
[14:48]	:	or a piece of it
[14:48]	:	2.0 is boost 1.39 yes
[14:48]	:	BTW, the drop I did yesterdau points to new libs for curl that fixes the slowness when login issue
[14:48]	:	then it is my regression using 1.36
[14:49]	:	see intall.xml
[14:49]	:	those libs are *tricky* to build correctly
[14:49]	:	2.0 uses Boost + boost_coroutines + a small patch to boost_coroutines
[14:49]	:	i know
[14:50]	:	i found out boost cares and freinds the hard way too
[14:50]	:	as I said last week, we're looking into a new project to make all this publicly available
[14:50]	:	the goal is that, even as a standalone builder, you'd be able to pull this and see how we build each lib
[14:51]	:	with the patches we use (if any), the compile and link options, etc...
[14:51]	:	great
[14:51]	:	I know that Brad is really committed to make that happen
[14:52]	:	I'm looking into the patch availables on SG 2.0 logged JIRA
[14:53]	:	and I see a bunch of python ones made by Boroondas
[14:53]	:	SNOW-527, SNOW-528, SNOW-530
[14:53]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-527 
 [#SNOW-527] Don't import deprecated python module sets
[14:53]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-528 
 [#SNOW-528] only import python module md5 when module hashlib isn't available
[14:53]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-530 
 [#SNOW-530] remove python 2.3 hacks
[14:54]	:	these aren't critical (yet), just remove some warnings
[14:54]	:	well, nice to get those cleaned up...
[14:55]	:	there's a lot of cruft accumulating in those scripts
[14:55]	:	so thanks for taking care of this :)
[14:55]	:	I cleaned up some gcc warnings before they become a problem.
[14:55]	:	yw :-)
[14:56]	:	:-)
[14:56]	:	er...let me rephrase that. I think warning sould be fixed before they become problems.
[14:56]	:	I see all the patches we have pending are all on building issues
[14:56]	:	clearly, a focus from the group this last month...
[14:56]	:	not surprisingly
[14:58]	:	Looking at the "unscheduled" list, we don't have lots of patches there
[14:58]	:	https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter /field=customfield_10002&sorter/order=ASC
[14:58]	:	some ports I think, as mentioned before
[14:59]	:	which is nice to see :)
[14:59]	:	ok i've got to run see you all next time/on IRC
[14:59]	:	it's 3pm anyway... that was a quiet meeting today...
[14:59]	:	I'll see youn guys Thursday
[15:00]	:	I really hope to have the 1.x bundles fix by then
[15:00]	:	and a bunch of ports to SG2.0 committed
[15:00]	:	:-)
[15:01]	:	I'll keep parabuild busy with churning on SG2.0 every day
[15:01]	:	now that TPVp problems are largly behind us, we can start making progress
[15:01]	:	o/
[15:01]	:	All that is left of the tpv issues are clearifactions and tech issues.
[15:02]	:	IANAL and I've no intention of becoming one... evar...
[15:02]	:	heh
[15:02]	:	k, see you guys. Thanks for the support on SG :)
[15:02]	:	=)
[15:03]	:	o wait, one question
[15:03]	:	L$2!
[15:03]	:	I often cannot connect to #opensl
[15:04]	:	using irc.efnet.net
[15:04]	:	what are you guys using
[15:04]	:	?
[15:04]	:	there is a #snowglobe channel.. maybe robin can op you when your there 2mr
[15:04]	:	I'm just using XChats built in server list for EFnet
[15:04]	:	pidgin
[15:05]	:	I am on the snowglobe channel IW
[15:05]	:	that's what you're refering to Dzonatas?
[15:05]	:	What about Freenode?
[15:05]	:	there is one bribge that is failing for me
[15:05]	:	bridge
[15:05]	:	but prison allways works
[15:06]	:	I don't see you in #snowglobe@irc.efnet.net
[15:06]	:	I use x-chat
[15:06]	:	http://map.efnet.net/
[15:06]	:	unles your llAimee
[15:06]	:	I use Colloquy but that's not the problem....
[15:06]	:	I was asking about the connection used
[15:06]	:	Is there a reason for efnet instead of a open source delovloper network like freenode?
[15:07]	:	not sure
[15:07]	:	kinda stuck i think...
[15:07]	:	That what server i'me on now.
[15:07]	:	i think irc.efnet.net is a round-robin dns between the different server
[15:08]	:	that might be
[15:08]	:	I don'e see opensl on irc.freenode.net :(
[15:09]	:	<sigh/>
[15:09]	:	freenode is a different network, Merov
[15:09]	:	is anyone on #opensl *now*?
[15:09]	:	Yes, Yes,
[15:09]	:	Yes, indeed,,
[15:09]	:	k, which network do you use?
[15:09]	:	6 ops, 41 total
[15:09]	:	for me my country-specific EFnet server sometimes has my IP (adsl with changing IPs) banned, so I have to disconnect and try again in that case.
[15:09]	:	EFnet
[15:10]	:	well, I see tons of stuff there but no opensl :)
[15:10]	:	:(
[15:10]	:	try a different EFnet server, then
[15:10]	:	i tell pidgin to connect to irc.efnet.net and it auto-retries as needed
[15:10]	:	/me tries for the tenth time of the day...
[15:11]	:	XChat tends to land on irc.Prison.NET when I connect.
[15:11]	:	Same here.
[15:11]	:	sometimes parts of the network split apart. You can see that on http://map.efnet.net/
[15:11]	:	am on thriu irc.choopa.net
[15:12]	:	chatzilla here
[15:12]	:	you know what, I'm going to ask Nyx and Soft (who are always on there) what they do exactly...
[15:12]	:	there is jabber.org...
[15:12]	:	there's something fishy there... I don't want to bug you with that
[15:12]	:	you can connect through irc.nst web interface
[15:12]	:	Use emerald built in IRC client. :-X
[15:12]	:	if your client connects xmpp
[15:13]	:	I haven't seen Soft in #opensl in a long while
[15:13]	:	well, I'll get that solved... it's annoying to get there only intermitently
[15:13]	:	/me terrible spelling...
[15:14]	:	need to go now :)
[15:14]	:	cheers!
[15:14]	:	awg@jabber.org
[15:14]	:	see you
[15:14]	:	works with gmail
[15:14]	:	See you later, Merov
[15:14]	:	I'me surpirzed LL doesn't have there own IRC server.
[15:14]	:	I should move on too.
[15:15]	:	Thanks all for tolerating my newness
[15:15]	:	Techwolf, I think they do, for internal stuff
[15:15]	:	=)
[15:16]	:	You're new? No, we can't tolerate that. Get old as quick as you can! ;-)
[15:16]	:	ok
[15:17]	:	:-)
[15:17]	:	You need to be quick for when I get hungrey...;-)
[15:17]	:	That, too.
[15:17]	:	don't need to become old
[15:17]	:	fucking lag
[15:18]	:	hidden cores on phenom?
 
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