Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2012-04-12

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on April 12, 2012
== Agenda ==
=== Updates ===
* There was some confusion in the release notes this week.
** Ban height for parcels is at 5000m for ALL REGIONS and RC's
** Fly height was unchanged.
** New method for updating simulator configs
* Second Life Server Channel
* We released a maint-server week. 
* The explicit ban height for parcels is being raised to 5000m. This means that avatars that are explicitly banned from a parcel can not enter them unless they are at least 5000m above ground. This allows high-altitude fly-overs as before, but they must be done at a much higher altitude.
* Bug Fixes
** "llGetSubString can produce results that crash Mono scripts"
** "recent release to agni (12.02.06.248938 I think) breaks llDeleteSubString behaviour."
** Removed old unused server code.
** Fixed several server crash modes.
* This was on on LeTigre and BlueSteel as well.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/12#12.03.30.252593
* BlueSteel RC Channel
* This is the same code as main channel.
** The explicit ban height for parcels is at 5000m.
** Fly height is unchanged.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/12#12.03.30.252593
* LeTigre RC Channel
* This is the same code as main channel.
** The explicit ban height for parcels is at 5000m.
** Fly height is unchanged.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/12#12.03.30.252593
* Magnum RC Channel
* Threaded Region Crossing had a build issue and was shelved for the time being.
* This is the same code as main channel.
** The explicit ban height for parcels is at 5000m.
** Fly height is unchanged.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/12#12.03.30.252593
* Coyot has findings from the rebalancing.
* Pathfinding User Group
** Falcon.
=== Upcoming Stuff ===
* DRTSIM-141 to RC next week.
=== Interesting Stuff ===
* Pathfinding Beta Regions Live on AGNI
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Pathfinding_Public_Beta
=== Transcript ===
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Server Beta User Group for April 12, 2012:
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: welcome everyone
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: how's your week been?
* [15:00] SonicAnd Miles: welcome Oskar
* [15:00] SonicAnd Miles: lol, good. yours?
* [15:01] SonicAnd Miles: hmmm.... its quiet...
* [15:01] Davido Chrome: Horrible. Lets move on.
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: hey Davido
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: Maestro has questions for you alter
* [15:02] Ima Mechanique: my weeks been ... about seven days, yours?
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: later
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: my week has only been 4 days so far
* [15:02] Homeless: my week is only in the 5th day... 2 more to go
* [15:02] Davido Chrome: Oki
* [15:03] Rex Cronon: hello everybody
* [15:03] Rickk TurboRickk Turbo looks at his calendar
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: as far as Seattle goes the weather has been pretty fantastiic
* [15:03] Rickk TurboRickk Turbo grins @ Friday
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: not sure about the rest of you
* [15:03] Theresa Tennyson: Freezing last night, 80 degrees forecast for Sunday.
* [15:03] Homeless: A bit chilly in Chicago but tolerable
* [15:04] Rickk Turbo: it's that time of the year again when my PC will be crapping itself
* [15:04] Rickk Turbo: :)
* [15:04] Coyot Linden: we had a windstorm that caused a power failure at 0413 PT
* [15:04] Ima Mechanique: Been to the norwescon Oskar?
* [15:04] Johan Laurasia: a japanese model by chance? lol
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: I have not been myself Ima, but all my friends go
* [15:04] Kallista Destiny: Soggy in So Cal... Rain yesterday, Rain tomorrow
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: too many cons up here
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: SakuraCon
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: Emerald City Comic Con
* [15:04] Coyot Linden: A friend of mine is the Norwescon chair
* [15:04] SonicAnd Miles: I heard there has been a lot of earthquakes around there too.
* [15:04] Coyot Linden: Shawn
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: Penny Arcade Expo
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: the BiMonSciFiCon
* [15:05] Rickk Turbo: Con gone wild?
* [15:05] Rickk Turbo: :)
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: GeekGirlCon
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: every week is a diff con
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: RustyCon
* [15:05] Homeless: is there an ALT-F4 con?
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: some fairy con this summer
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: I might go as a Satyr
* [15:05] Davido Chrome: Penny arcade, the depressingly sarcastic webcomic, ha its own expo?
* [15:05] Johan Laurasia: OskarCon
* [15:05] Sigma Avro: sabat mater
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: Penny Arcade has an AMAZING expo
* [15:05] Rickk Turbo: Electionday Con
* [15:05] Rickk Turbo: :)
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: so yeah
* [15:06] Ima Mechanique: geekgirlcon sounds interesting
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: lotsa cons
* [15:06] Sigma Avro: sorry lol, wrong viewer
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: anyways
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: let's get started
* [15:06] Johan Laurasia: I'm in too Ima
* [15:06] Homeless: wait a sec, aren't we AT the OskarCon right now?
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: this is OSKARCON!
* [15:06] Coyot Linden: !
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: ^_^
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: agenda link
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: this was a bit confusing
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: I apologize
* [15:06] Larre Leborski: :-)
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: there were some wires crossed
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: and I communicated some wrong bits
* [15:07] Motor Loon: o.O
* [15:07] Coyot Linden: It wasn't really your fault
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: We often have so many balls in the air I can lose track of them
* [15:07] SonicAnd Miles: ban
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: the release notes are all corrected now though
* [15:07] Coyot Linden: \o/
* [15:07] SonicAnd Miles: jk lol.
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: We had planned to promote the threaded region crossing project this week
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: it's been SOOOO patient
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: but there was a last minute build error
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: we couldn't promote it
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: it will sadly need to be shelved for a few weeks
* [15:08] Rickk Turbo: compiler error?
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: it will be back though!
* [15:08] Kallista Destiny: Yeah but now it's got time-in-grade over everyone, A real salt.
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: coyot can share the details if he feels like it, but they're irrelevent
* [15:08] Ima Mechanique: one thread has been patient, the others are all updating there facebook profiles
* [15:08] Coyot Linden: +1 not really relevant
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: thankfully we had some more code ready to go
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: and we promoted it on Tuesday
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: this has fixes for SCR-6
* [15:09] Flame of Jira: [#SCR-6] llGetSubString can produce results that crash Mono scripts https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-6
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: SCR-281
* [15:09] Flame of Jira: [#SCR-281] recent release to agni (12.02.06.248938 I think) breaks llDeleteSubstring behaviour. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-281
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: and some server crash modes
* [15:09] Rickk Turbo: ouch
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: the ban height for parcels was also raised to 5000m
* [15:10] Coyot Linden: ...
* [15:10] Larre Leborski: Sweet!!
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: I had originally communicated that we had not raised the ban height
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: for parcels
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: that was incorrect
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: we did not modify the avatar fly height
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: that's the difference
* [15:10] Davido Chrome: I am wondering, it's a 3d-world. Why can't you dived an area into different parcels on the vertical axis?
* [15:11] Davido Chrome: Devide
* [15:11] Maestro Linden: or stack regions vertically
* [15:11] Davido Chrome: Divide?
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: I don't know the technical details
* [15:11] Coyot Linden: because it turns every n^2 algorithm into an N^3 one?
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: a lot of what we have is the way it is for legacy reasons
* [15:11] Rex Cronon: u would no longer have an area. u would have a volume:0
* [15:11] Fancy Greeter: Kelly Linden has arrived!
* [15:11] Coyot Linden: right, Rex
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: I'm sure it's kelly's faulty
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: -y
* [15:12] Coyot LindenCoyot Linden ducks
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: anyway
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: we have this new capability for server
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: in the past every config change more or less required a server restart
* [15:12] Flip Idlemind: Plus your prim limit would be your normal prim limit for the parcel divided by the number of vertically stacked parcels (make sense?)
* [15:13] Motor Loon: omfg Kelly looking gooood today
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: in the last server version we've released a way to modify server configs without requiring grid wide rolling restarts
* [15:13] Sigma Avro: stacked parcells ? How ?
* [15:13] SonicAnd Miles: awesome!
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: we were going to test that Wednesday with the RC channels but were not able to
* [15:13] Flip Idlemind: Oh gosh now I've started a rumor
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: stop rumoring!
* [15:13] Sigma Avro: like brazilian sims
* [15:14] Moundsa Mayo: But without rumors we'd have practically NO communications!
* [15:14] Sigma Avro: FLIP 's ban is pending
* [15:14] Ima Mechanique: Brazillian sims? Is that a sim with all furries stripped off by wax?
* [15:14] Moundsa Mayo: OW!
* [15:14] Coyot LindenCoyot Linden scrubs his eyes out
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: so next week on RC we will do the regular roll
* [15:14] Homeless: True, if we stuck to only the facts, there'd be nothing to talk about
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: then we'll try our new remote sim change thing and change the fly height for avatars
* [15:15] Nalates Urriah: Would that mean eventually no restarts for Tuesday roll outs?
* [15:15] Sigma Avro: llAgentList is ready for non god users ?
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: if I am understanding things correctly
* [15:15] Oskar LindenOskar Linden looks at coyot
* [15:15] Homeless: When the fly height gets changed there will be a grid-wide celebration!
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: Nalates we will still need rolling restarts just not for config changes
* [15:15] Coyot Linden: Nal: no
* [15:15] Rex Cronon: btw. with this new fly height any small push is no longer that small
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: we will test the avatar fly height changes in an RC
* [15:15] Johan Laurasia: it'll be like the end of the Wizard of Oz
* [15:15] Nalates Urriah: OK not for configs, but yes for updates
* [15:15] Coyot Linden: this is only config changes
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: then see the impact on flight assists
* [15:16] Coyot Linden: new code still needs a roll
* [15:16] Homeless: of course flight assists won't be needed anymore
* [15:16] Lucia Nightfire: not restarting servers over time leads to asset handling issues,dataserver return issues, telporting to/from sim issues, prim return issues, etc
* [15:16] Davido Chrome: Does the new flight height be true for physical vehicles too?
* [15:16] Coyot Linden: Lucia: more on that in a bit
* [15:16] Flip Idlemind: So you can theoretically roll out new, disable code. Then enable it and, if it's a disaster, turn it off without needing a rollback
* [15:17] Davido Chrome: Oh, never mind
* [15:17] Maestro Linden: I don't believe physical vehicles ever had a fly height restriction
* [15:17] Flip Idlemind: disabled
* [15:17] Sigma AvroSigma Avro remembers the poetics of heigh limit
* [15:17] Rex Cronon: flight assists r needed. how do u think u can reach orbit in a a few seconds:)
* [15:17] Maestro Linden: only the restriction that objects can't move to >4096m elevation
* [15:17] Coyot Linden: FLIP: exactly
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: so watch the comms next monday to see which RC channel gets the avatar fly height changes
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: so right now the RC's all have trunk
* [15:17] Coyot Linden: also it uses a polling method which is much more reliable than a push deploy
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: like I said the idea was to have the RC's with avatar fly heights changed but we can't do that this week
* [15:18] Sigma Avro: Why was this changed ?
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: what changed?
* [15:18] Sigma Avro: heigh fligh
* [15:18] Coyot Linden: google+
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: it hasn't been
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: not yet
* [15:18] Flip Idlemind: Someone mentioned the maint-server I'm dying for, the one with llGetAgentList. Is that all QA'd and whatnot, or will it still be a while?
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: avatar fly height restrictions will be raised next week
* [15:18] Sigma Avro: a pitty to my opinion
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: and the correct answer would be why not
* [15:19] Homeless: a good riddance to my opinion
* [15:19] Sigma Avro: because it was nice for newcommers imagoination:
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: OPINION FIGHT!!!
* [15:19] Maestro Linden: Caleb would know about llGetAgentList, I think
* [15:19] Davido Chrome: It's gonna be nice to be able to fly in skyboxes even if you forgot to don your flight feather.
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: all in good time
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: let me follow the agenda if you don't mind
* [15:19] Caleb Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5488 is going out with the next rc release
* [15:19] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-5488] llGetRegionAgents() -- returns list of agent keys in the current region https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5488
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: you too caleb
* [15:19] Sigma Avro: mistery of those going further away etc
* [15:19] Rex Cronon: due to this new fly height limit, even small pushes have very powerful effect on avatars...
* [15:19] Flip Idlemind: So newbies (like I was at one point) won't freak out when they start falling from great heights even though they're flying
* [15:19] Homeless: The restriction has been driving me nuts like from the 4th day I was in SL
* [15:19] Flip Idlemind: True story
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: so that is the update on the current grid
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: Coyot has some stats on the rebalancing
* [15:20] Flip Idlemind: Woooo! /me has a mini-party about llGetAgentList!
* [15:20] Sigma Avro: me too
* [15:20] Nalates Urriah: \o/ stats
* [15:20] SonicAnd Miles: My sim is a space station at 3K meters and this update helps us very much! height subject that is.
* [15:20] Coyot Linden: ince the rebalancing ran we have seen a drop of more than 50% in the number of regions crashing, going from an average of 270 regions crashing per day the month before the run to 114 since the first day of the run.
* [15:20] Rickk Turbo: what does that do? list agents on simulator?
* [15:21] Coyot Linden: s/ince/since/
* [15:21] Rex Cronon: the good things is that ORBITS will now be possible again;)
* [15:21] Flip Idlemind: Orbit implies the world is round
* [15:21] Davido Chrome: Do the mainland connect to the other side at the end?
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: so the rebalancing has been great
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: a lot of the long uptime stability issues we were seeing are gone
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: 50% reduction in simulator crashes is huge
* [15:22] Flip Idlemind: I actually can't remember the last time I was in a region that crashed
* [15:22] Nalates Urriah: Congrats
* [15:22] Object: Hello, Avatar!
* [15:22] Davido Chrome: I can, but people love to grief that place.
* [15:22] arton Rotaru: vehicle sim crossings are amazinly improved as wellroved
* [15:22] Sigma Avro: me too, never was in such region except when people wnated a crash tests
* [15:22] Flip Idlemind: I go to places that people love to grief, still no crashes! :D
* [15:22] arton Rotaru: let me reprhrase that^^
* [15:23] Rickk Turbo: bear usually crashes for me
* [15:23] Rickk Turbo: too many avs
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: as we get more details we can share we will.
* [15:23] Davido Chrome: Arton, they are?
* [15:23] arton Rotaru: yes
* [15:23] Lucia Nightfire: I go to places taht certain peopel crash daily, there are still ways to do it easily
* [15:23] arton Rotaru: rarely crashing at all at borders now
* [15:23] Moundsa Mayo: Even regions not involved in restarts will benefit as system resource usage overall will be lower because restarts fewer.
* [15:23] Sigma Avro: sim crash is a mitology manipulated by Oskar, lol
* [15:24] Davido Chrome: No need to restart a sim every day any more?
* [15:24] Larre Leborski: Indeed.. yep. there are a frew times that I have crashed doing region crossings.
* [15:24] Coyot Linden: Exactly, Moundsa
* [15:24] Larre Leborski: not many.. but a few.
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: is Falcon here
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: ?
* [15:24] Oskar LindenOskar Linden peers around
* [15:24] Rickk Turbo: nope
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: man...
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: that guy
* [15:25] Rickk Turbo: online but not here
* [15:25] Motor Loon: Falcon was at the simcenter a bit ago
* [15:25] arton Rotaru: a few weeks ago, I couldn't cross a single border without unseated
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: he tells me he wants to chat
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: then doesn't show
* [15:25] Larre Leborski: Hmmm..
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: he wanted to talk about his PUG
* [15:25] Rickk Turbo: huh?
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: Pathfinding User Group
* [15:25] Rickk Turbo: oh
* [15:26] Sigma Avro: ah ! why another group btw ?
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: he says he's on his way
* [15:26] Ima Mechanique: and I thought he'd got a new dog for a moment then
* [15:26] Rickk Turbo: TP invite him :)
* [15:26] Nalates Urriah: I say ban him...
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: we do that sometimes Sigma
* [15:26] Davido Chrome: IS Gez somewhere here?
* [15:26] Moundsa Mayo: Focus, SMILE!
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: this group is very general
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: it helps to have groups specific to new projects
* [15:26] Fancy Greeter: Falcon Linden has arrived!
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: like the Mesh Users Group
* [15:26] Moundsa Mayo: MUG
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: there's the slacker
* [15:26] Sigma Avro: ok, if you think it is ok
* [15:26] Rex Cronon: PUG?:)
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: it's ok sigma
* [15:26] MartinRJ Fayray: i just saw him talking with Oz on the other grid
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: they usually only last long enough to get the project shipped
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: Mr Falcon
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: tell us about your PUG
* [15:27] Motor Loon: He's still a while away oskar
* [15:27] Moundsa Mayo: She's cute and hardly ever barks?
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: I thought he just landed
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: there he is
* [15:27] Coyot Linden: the easter puggy?
* [15:28] Rex Cronon: aren't pugs a little shy:)
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: Falcon tell us about your PUG
* [15:28] Larre Leborski: Indeed :-)
* [15:28] Moundsa Mayo: Oooh, what would those eggs be ...
* [15:28] Oskar LindenOskar Linden pokes Falcon
* [15:28] Rickk Turbo: capt puggy :)
* [15:28] Coyot Linden: THOSE AREN'T EGGS!
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: SL is hard for some people
* [15:28] Sigma Avro: PUG is speaking with hands, lol
* [15:28] Falcon Linden: Hey folks
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: let's give him time
* [15:28] Falcon Linden: *hits Oskar*
* [15:28] Rex Cronon: hey falcon
* [15:28] NiranV Dean: Hello everyone
* [15:28] Rex Cronon: hi
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: is he going to do this all meeting?
* [15:28] Motor Loon: Falcon is such a greifer
* [15:28] Coyot Linden: hey, quit pushing!
* [15:29] Falcon Linden: I was thinking about it...
* [15:29] SonicAnd Miles: linden greifer attack
* [15:29] Falcon Linden: Need a better gun
* [15:29] SonicAnd Miles: LOL
* [15:29] Moundsa Mayo: This could get ugly quick!
* [15:29] Falcon Linden: Anyhow, wanted to let you all know that we'll be starting a pathfinding user group next week
* [15:29] Sigma Avro: I have one on other grid
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: how about you tell the good boys and girls here about your PUG
* [15:29] Falcon Linden: It will last for an unspecified duration
* [15:29] Rex Cronon: gun fight o.0
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: AGNI or ADITI?
* [15:29] Falcon Linden: PathTest1 on Aditi, at least at first
* [15:29] Sigma Avro: :) I like this unexpectance
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: ok
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: what time?
* [15:29] Falcon Linden: at 4pm SLT on Thursday
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: cool
* [15:30] Falcon Linden: geeze, oskar, always rushing me
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: so right after this
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: perfect time
* [15:30] Falcon Linden: yep
* [15:30] Maestro Linden: you should make it at 3pm on thursday
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: I know you're always in a hurry
* [15:30] Falcon Linden: Maestro: considered it
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: I don't want to keep you from your code
* [15:30] Falcon Linden: Any pathfinding questions?
* [15:30] Falcon Linden: Or suggestions on ways to grief oskar
* [15:30] Moundsa Mayo: Yah. WHat date is first PUG meeting?
* [15:30] Coyot Linden: Yeah, how do we get a merit badge for pathfinding?
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: Davido had a bug right?
* [15:31] Ima Mechanique: hmm, that'll be passed my bedtime ;-(
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: which one was that maestro?
* [15:31] tham Core: ㋡ ☆*¨¨*:•.•:*¨* hallo hello hi holla *¨¨*:•.•:*¨*☆ ㋡ 
* [15:31] Rex Cronon: hi
* [15:31] Maestro Linden: Oh yeah, Davido IMed and and told me he didn't have time to verify the fix yet
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: oh
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: then never mind
* [15:31] tham Core: ما هذا المكان
* [15:31] tham Core: What is this place
* [15:31] Maestro Linden: which was it.. it was about simball collisions not quite registering
* [15:31] Larre Leborski: Indeed Falcon.. I wonder if I can "sit" on a character without having to drop a pathfinding script in while sitting?
* [15:31] Falcon Linden: Maestro: that means it's fixed
* [15:31] khaled99: ❤`•.¸¸.•´´¯`• DANCANDO LAMBADA ❤`•.¸¸.•´´¯`•
* [15:31] Maestro Linden: Falcon figured out it was that scrips weren't detecting collisions that last a single frame
* [15:31] Maestro Linden: but the whole setup for the game is pretty complicated
* [15:32] Maestro Linden: I don't suppose anybody else has been playing simball in pathfinding regions?
* [15:32] Davido ChromeDavido Chrome nods.
* [15:32] Sigma Avro: I feel a lot of interaction parameters remain to tune, but this week was short, hehe
* [15:32] Nalates Urriah: Tham, this is a meeting. You are on the testing grid. Not the main Second Life Grid.
* [15:32] Falcon Linden: we're continuing to work on the behavioral issues with character movement
* [15:32] Davido Chrome: I'll give it a test in the following days.
* [15:32] Falcon Linden: twitchiness, failure to obey certain constraints
* [15:33] Davido Chrome: Report to you after.
* [15:33] Flip Idlemind: What is this "simball" of which you speak?
* [15:33] Davido Chrome: IT's a team sport, kind of like Hockey, played on hoverboards.
* [15:34] Flip Idlemind: Uh huh. And what is "pathfinding"?
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Pathfinding_in_Second_Life
* [15:34] Motor Loon: Fliip...
* [15:35] Sigma Avro: FLIP has been away a while it seems
* [15:35] Flip Idlemind: Just kidding, I'm not quite that stupid. However, I am fairly stupid, and so I wanted to ask: Is a new viewer required to use pathfinding features
* [15:35] Flip Idlemind: Or does it just..."help"?
* [15:35] Coyot Linden: Pathfinder, pathfinder, find me a path...
* [15:35] Falcon Linden: flip: have you read the wiki? :P
* [15:35] Rex Cronon: trolling? haha
* [15:35] Johan Laurasia: lol coyot
* [15:35] Ima Mechanique: not for pathfinding itself, but to modify the nav-mesh yes
* [15:35] MartinRJ Fayray: I think it is already shipped in the Wilderness, right?
* [15:35] Davido Chrome: Flip, they said there were alot of physics changes and asked us to come and test things that uses a lot of physics to see how it was affected. Simball use physical vehicles and collision detection a lot, so I thought it best to make sure it didn't get broke.
* [15:35] Falcon Linden: RTFM (that's "Free Manual") :)
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: Read The Falcon Manual
* [15:36] Motor Loon: haha
* [15:36] Coyot Linden: LOL
* [15:36] Falcon Linden: I don't have a manual
* [15:36] Falcon Linden: I'm ineffable
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: yes you do
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: we just never showed you
* [15:36] Sigma Avro: Where do you play it Davido ?
* [15:36] TankMaster Finesmith: @ flip, short answer is yes
* [15:36] arton Rotaru: well, at least the terrain behavior on path regions is back to normal
* [15:36] Chieron Tenk: we could read from your innarts then ?
* [15:36] TankMaster Finesmith: you need a new vewer
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: any more questions about pathfinding for falcon?
* [15:36] Davido Chrome: For the pathfinding regions I have to set up an arena everytime as it gets returned to me.
* [15:36] Coyot Linden: Chieron: we could always cut him in half and count the rings...
* [15:37] Falcon Linden: All right folks, see you next week at 4 if you're interested
* [15:37] Ima Mechanique: Falcon, we're pretty sure we could eff you if we had to ;-)
* [15:37] Falcon Linden: Cheers
* [15:37] Rex Cronon: tc falcon
* [15:37] Johan Laurasia: I'll be there :)
* [15:37] Sigma Avro: yes, there is this question on terrain behaviour interaction with character, and being oitself a character
* [15:37] Larre Leborski: Indeed.. Didn't see my question answered about sitting on pathfinding characters yet.. Just wondering if this is going to be in future code?
* [15:37] Rex Cronon: was the PUG thing a joke?
* [15:38] Motor Loon: No rex, he really has a Pug
* [15:38] Sigma Avro: so, were can we have access to terrain editning with pathfind ?
* [15:38] Ima Mechanique: I don't think so Rex
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: PUG's are never a joke Rex
* [15:38] Sigma Avro: excepyt for option of passed week
* [15:38] Ima Mechanique: PUG are for life (of a feature beta) not just for christmas 
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: Hm, I guess that's not set up, Sigma. Unless you have a pathfinding parcel that you own
* [15:39] Maestro Linden: I guess we could set up one of the pathtest regions to have an 'anybody can terraform' parcel
* [15:39] Sigma Avro: how could I ?
* [15:39] arton Rotaru: last time I tried the viewer, I was able to edit the terrain on aditis pathtest regions
* [15:39] Sigma Avro: oh, ok Maestro
* [15:39] arton Rotaru: but that was a few weeks ago already
* [15:39] Maestro Linden: oh, maybe we did set that up
* [15:39] arton Rotaru: haven#t tried lately
* [15:39] Maestro Linden: or there's a major permissions issue with terrain editing..
* [15:39] Motor Loon: mabye both °͜°
* [15:39] arton Rotaru: I wondered a bit about the abillity^^
* [15:40] Motor Loon: well, atleast it'll make it easy for us to "clean up" a sandbox eh
* [15:41] Sigma Avro: When is PUG opened to e,nrolment ?
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: it should be free to attend
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: on ADITI after my meeting every Thursday
* [15:42] Sigma Avro: great
* [15:42] Motor Loon: But you'll need to know the secret handshake to get it
* [15:42] Rex Cronon: here?
* [15:42] Johan Laurasia: set your decoders to J-2
* [15:42] Draconis NeurocamDraconis Neurocam ponders the buy pass functionality
* [15:42] arton Rotaru: pathtest1 region
* [15:42] Coyot Linden: something's come up, gotta fly
* [15:42] Coyot Linden: cya all next week
* [15:43] Rex Cronon: tc coyot
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: l8r)
* [15:43] Moundsa Mayo: Cya Coyot
* [15:43] Johan Laurasia: caio
* [15:43] Rex Cronon: thanks
* [15:43] Sigma Avro: see u
* [15:43] Davido Chrome: Cya!
* [15:43] Larre Leborski: Indeed.. see ya Coyot :-)
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: Caleb
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: tell us about drtsim-141
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: what do the good folk have to look forward to on RC next week?
* [15:44] TankMaster Finesmith: bugs
* [15:44] Sigma Avro: performances
* [15:44] Caleb Linden: ok, i am going to show you guys the public jiras that are addressed
* [15:44] arton Rotaru: free L$
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: cool
* [15:44] Caleb Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5488
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-15
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-680
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7307
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6894
* [15:44] Flame of Jira: Status 499
* [15:44] Flame of Jira: Status 499
* [15:44] Flame of Jira: Status 499
* [15:44] Flame of Jira: Status 499
* [15:44] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-6894] Excessive EnableSimulator message spamming to viewers https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6894
* [15:44] TankMaster Finesmith: or undocumented features
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: one at a time or we kill the flame
* [15:44] Motor Loon: status 499... yeah... thats a bad one
* [15:44] Caleb Linden: hehe
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: SVC-5488
* [15:44] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-5488] llGetRegionAgents() -- returns list of agent keys in the current region https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5488
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: SCR-15
* [15:44] Flame of Jira: [#SCR-15] Add flag parameter [vector slice] to llSetPrimitiveParams PRIM_TYPE flags PRIM_TYPE_BOX, PRIM_TYPE_CYLINDER, and PRIM_TYPE_PRISM https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-15
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: SVC-680
* [15:45] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-680] Increase HTTP Response body size from 2048 to 4096 or larger https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-680
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: SVC-7307
* [15:45] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7307] creation of scripts gets a nice error https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7307
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: SVC-6894
* [15:45] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-6894] Excessive EnableSimulator message spamming to viewers https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6894
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: there we go
* [15:45] Motor Loon: aha... those are some really neat ones
* [15:45] Caleb Linden: thank you oskar
* [15:45] Motor Loon: and ... wow... scr--15 really... haha
* [15:45] Flame of Jira: Status 404
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: you're welcome
* [15:46] SonicAnd Miles: 404 now u broke it
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: not sure which RC channel will get this code next week
* [15:46] Davido Chrome: "creation of scripts gets a 'nice' error"?
* [15:46] Motor Loon: on purpose
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: keep an eye on the forums Monday afternoon
* [15:46] Sigma Avro: good, last one is the prefered
* [15:46] Sigma Avro: lol
* [15:46] Maestro LindenMaestro Linden prefers the naughty errors
* [15:46] MartinRJ Fayray: Oskar is there a chance that there will be a Web (www, marketplace, webprofiles, moap) User Group ever?
* [15:46] TankMaster Finesmith: will "https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-680" need any viewer changes?
* [15:46] Flame of Jira: Status 404
* [15:47] TankMaster Finesmith: will " https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-680 " need any viewer changes?
* [15:47] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-680] Increase HTTP Response body size from 2048 to 4096 or larger https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-680
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: hard to say Martin
* [15:47] Maestro Linden: I dont' think so?
* [15:47] Sigma Avro: I would have a request : for a region that is full: let estate managers enter in it
* [15:47] Motor Loon: its that all server side?
* [15:47] Rex Cronon: what is the max size for response body?
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: Maestro can you lead the conversation for a minute
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: I need to be AFK
* [15:47] Maestro Linden: sure
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: thx
* [15:47] arton Rotaru: 16KB rex
* [15:48] Rex Cronon: thank:)
* [15:48] Maestro Linden: so I don't think you'll need a newer viewer for that change
* [15:48] Maestro Linden: it's just LSL
* [15:48] Sigma Avro: some organic urgent activities ?
* [15:48] TankMaster Finesmith: ok
* [15:48] Maestro Linden: the only viewer change would be to add syntax highlighting to the HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH keyword that it's adding
* [15:48] Maestro Linden: but that's optional of course
* [15:48] Kelly Linden: For 680 the max you can set it to is 4k for LSO scripts and 16k for mono scripts.
* [15:49] Motor Loon: thats alot though
* [15:49] Maestro Linden: what's the minimum allowed, Kellly? Can I set it to 1 byte?
* [15:50] Motor Loon: couldnt you have a response with nothing in the body even?
* [15:50] Rex Cronon: kelly, now if we only had object attribute that could store 16k...
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: kk
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: back
* [15:50] Maestro Linden: yeah I guess so.
* [15:50] Rex Cronon: wb
* [15:50] Maestro Linden: maybe you just want to see if you get a response at all
* [15:50] Sigma Avro: hehe
* [15:50] Motor Loon: did you bring coffee for us too Oskar?
* [15:50] Homeless: Is the syntax highlighting for the new functions coming soon to the lsl editor?
* [15:51] Maestro Linden: Yes, actually Andrew added a bunch of the missing LSL function highlights to the pathfinding viewer
* [15:51] Ima Mechanique: Homeless, for some definitions of soon, yes
* [15:51] Davido Chrome: Wasn't Andrew working on making Syntax Highlighting serversidish?
* [15:51] Kelly Linden: Maestro: minimum is 1 byte
* [15:51] Homeless: great!
* [15:51] Ima Mechanique: but not the normal definition ;-)
* [15:52] Ima Mechanique: real answer is I'm working on it!
* [15:52] Motor Loon: serverside syntax HL would be sweet
* [15:52] Maestro Linden: hm, though it's not comprehensive. For example, llGetEnv() is there, but not llSetKeyframedMotion()
* [15:52] Sigma Avro: later was later
* [15:52] TankMaster Finesmith: its not server side HLing, its a cap the server sends to the viewer for a list of supported functions
* [15:52] Davido Chrome: Serversidish. XD
* [15:53] Sigma Avro: is that not viewer side ?
* [15:53] Ima Mechanique: Maestro, I sent Andrew an updated strings.xml which includes all current functions
* [15:53] Sigma Avro: the highlight ?
* [15:53] TankMaster Finesmith: the highlighting si still done on the viewer
* [15:53] Maestro Linden: Cool, does that include all the new constants as well?
* [15:53] Sigma Avro: yes, this allows aloso other editors
* [15:53] Ima Mechanique: nope, no constants in strings.xml
* [15:53] Ima Mechanique: they're in keywords.ini
* [15:54] Maestro Linden: oh.
* [15:54] Lucia Nightfire: any word on SVC-7760 havinga fix soon?
* [15:54] Maestro Linden: anyway, where were we.. are we done covering the upcoming server changes?
* [15:54] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7760] Large object instant messages can corrupt returned object location URL making it impossible to determine the object's location. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7760
* [15:55] Ima Mechanique: I'm working on the combining of them all into a single LLSD file. When I can get VCE to cooperate ;-)
* [15:55] Maestro Linden: Nope, sorry Lucia, I don't see any activity in 7760 yet
* [15:55] Sigma Avro: serialize, serialize
* [15:55] TankMaster Finesmith: cerialized
* [15:55] TankMaster Finesmith: :D
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: I think we're good to go for this weeks UG
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: anything else?
* [15:56] Motor Loon: news on VWR-14674 ?
* [15:56] Flame of Jira: [#VWR-14674] Object Return Function of Region/Estate Menu does not work https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14674
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: 4 minutes for any questions, advice, cookie recipes
* [15:56] Homeless: User Group Hour = UGH?
* [15:56] Sigma Avro: oh yes, that 14674 is reallly borrying
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: if you say so homeless
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: no update motor
* [15:57] Motor Loon: ok, I'll ask next week then °͜°
* [15:58] Davido Chrome: Reminds me of something curious, why does all my scripted objects get returned at the same time when my landlords return certain griefer objects?
* [15:58] Motor Loon: because your landlord clicks the wrong button?
* [15:58] Sigma Avro: ah ?7
* [15:58] Davido Chrome: Everyones scripted objects, for that matter.
* [15:58] Sigma Avro: landlordf mistakes ?
* [15:58] Motor Loon: I had a staffmember do just that the other day
* [15:58] arton Rotaru: lol
* [15:58] arton Rotaru: fired
* [15:59] Motor Loon: stupid "return all" button
* [15:59] SonicAnd Miles: fail... lol
* [15:59] Motor Loon: yep
* [15:59] Sigma Avro: haha, I can imagiçne the error
* [15:59] Davido Chrome: Oh. So they messed up basically?
* [15:59] Motor Loon: yep
* [15:59] Sigma Avro: I any case, return for grieffers needs to work
* [15:59] Davido Chrome: Twice?
* [15:59] Rex Cronon: btw, before u guys leave. is anybody here a daredevil? because i want to test some bullets:)
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: falcon is
* [15:59] arton Rotaru: lol
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: and kelly
* [16:00] Johan Laurasia: lol
* [16:00] Sigma Avro: haha
* [16:00] Oskar LindenOskar Linden is a wuss
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: take it to another region though
* [16:00] Kelly Linden: oskar is my stunt double though.
* [16:00] Kallista Destiny: Thanks for the meeting
* [16:00] Motor Loon: Can't shoot Kelly... he's a girl today
* [16:00] Rex Cronon: a target behind them, is what is missing;)
* [16:00] Motor Loon: Not nice to shoot girls
* [16:00] arton Rotaru: to much bling, shoot him^^
* [16:00] Sigma Avro: orbiting does not exist in sl , we learned this today
* [16:01] Ima Mechanique: Kelly's not a girl, she's a bling monster
* [16:01] Sigma Avro: caleb escaped already
* [16:01] Rex Cronon: the thing is. this sim/region has the new flight limit
* [16:01] Sigma Avro: Caled is shy ?
* [16:01] Motor Loon: the "Shemale blingster"
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: alright everyone
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: thanks much for coming out today
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: *waves*
* [16:01] Motor Loon: have fun Oskar... dont break anything
* [16:01] Homeless: thankx for the meeting!
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: have a good weekend!
* [16:01] Theresa Tennyson: Thank you, Oskar! Good night!
* [16:01] Larre Leborski: yw oskar :-)
* [16:01] SonicAnd Miles: c ya next week :)
* [16:02] Davido Chrome: Seeya
* [16:02] Moundsa Mayo: Oskar, Maestro, thanks for your time and all your hard work!
* [16:02] Rex Cronon: u 2 oskar
* [16:02] Oskar Linden: l8r)
* [16:02] Lares Carter: thanks for the meeting
* [16:02] Sigma Avro: thanks to the great LLs people
* [16:02] Rex Cronon: tc all those leaving