Bug triage/2008-11-17/Transcript

* [12:00] Bridie Linden: 
* [12:00] Bridie Linden: nods to Squirrel
* [12:00] Alexa Linden: hey all :D
* [12:00] Squirrel Wood: Hullos!
* [12:00] Bridie Linden: Alexa!
* [12:00] Alexa Linden: ^^
* [12:01] Harleen Gretzky: Hi Alexa
* [12:01] Bridie Linden: Hiya Soft!
* [12:01] Alexa Linden: Hi Harleen! Happy Monday
* [12:01] Bridie Linden: Welcome Gellan, Gordon
* [12:01] Soft Linden: Hey hey hey
* [12:01] Squirrel Wood: Hollas!
* [12:01] Harleen Gretzky: Hi Soft
* [12:01] Gordon Wendt: hi
* [12:01] Harleen Gretzky: Hi Gordon
* [12:02] Phillip Vought: I really have to write a whitepaper on social interaction in virtual worlds
* [12:02] Soft Linden: ack, one sec
* [12:02] Gordon Wendt: hi Harleen, nice to see you finally make it to one of these considering yours is the work I most see evident in these :)
* [12:02] Bridie Linden: 
* [12:02] Squirrel Wood: So you wanna be a boxer
* In the golden ring?
* [12:02] Harleen Gretzky: Been away on business for the last two months
* [12:02] Alexa Linden: we've missed you
* [12:02] Squirrel Wood: wb!
* [12:02] Bridie Linden: I'm going to be your hostess today as Kona is OOO
* [12:03] Harleen Gretzky: ty
* [12:03] Bridie Linden: wb Soft
* [12:03] Bridie Linden: Gray textures now look white to me...
* [12:03] Bridie Linden: wonders if she needs to adjust monitor
* [12:03] Gordon Wendt: is it just me or are the sl web domains being slow today. slurl, and wiki.secondlife.com are really chugging for me but non sl sites are doing fine as is SL itself which is odd
* [12:03] Bridie Linden: checks
* [12:03] Alexa Linden: so far, so good for me
* [12:03] Phillip Vought: theyre skiw
* [12:03] Phillip Vought: slow
* [12:03] Squirrel Wood: Its magic!
* [12:03] Soft Linden: In trunk/ they're showing up black for me. The other day they were showing up as largely alpha'd
* [12:03] Soft Linden: I'm late - someone link the agenda?
* [12:03] Bridie Linden: sl.com seems fine
* [12:03] Bridie Linden: 
* [12:03] Alexa Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda
* [12:03] Alexa Linden: jinx
* [12:03] Bridie Linden: ha!
* [12:04] Bridie Linden: Let's dive in!
* [12:04] Bridie Linden: VWR-10136[c
* [12:04] Gordon Wendt: that's a new joke, how many lindens does it take to link an agenda
* [12:04] Alexa Linden: dueling Lindend!
* [12:04] Alexa Linden: lindens*
* [12:04] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10136
* [12:04] Bridie Linden: ha alexa
* [12:04] Alexa Linden: 2 lindens enter, one leaves
* [12:04] Alexa Linden: <.<
* [12:04] Alexa Linden: >.>
* [12:04] Bridie Linden: rim shot
* [12:05] Bridie Linden: I can't confirm (nor deny) 10136
* [12:05] Squirrel Wood: What's up doc?
* [12:05] Soft Linden: The last comment on there looks like it points to the solution.
* [12:05] Soft Linden: This could be imported for maint-viewer
* [12:05] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:05] Bridie Linden: but sounds like a good one to import, send to Tofu?
* [12:05] Soft Linden: yus
* [12:05] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:05] Alexa Linden: will do
* [12:05] Alexa Linden: hi Kerry :)
* [12:06] Bridie Linden: Next up...a spooky one!
* [12:06] Bridie Linden: VWR-5287[c
* [12:06] Gellan Glenelg: triaged last week; no comments since then
* [12:06] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5287
* [12:06] Bridie Linden: True gellan!
* [12:06] Bridie Linden: Shall we con't on? Does anyone want to ping reporter inworld on that last one?
* [12:06] Alexa Linden: ya, I've had this but it's totally random
* [12:06] Kerry Giha: I think we saw this one last week if I remember.
* [12:07] Soft Linden: Without any kind of a clear repro, this isn't likely to go anywhere internally.
* [12:07] Squirrel Wood: last wednesday methinks
* [12:07] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:07] Bridie Linden: Let's keep moving then...
* [12:07] Alexa Linden: I'll update the triaged date
* [12:07] Bridie Linden: SVC-2498[c
* [12:07] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2498
* [12:07] Gordon Wendt: Soft, I'll put that on my list of ones to remove every time they show up when I'm culling the list, that and the pupeteering one keep showing up
* [12:07] Gellan Glenelg: related to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-492 ?
* [12:08] Bridie Linden: that one's linked there
* [12:08] Gellan Glenelg: doh - it is
* [12:08] Alexa Linden: this is july
* [12:08] Alexa Linden: still repro with latest version?
* [12:09] Gellan Glenelg: I can check
* [12:09] Gellan Glenelg: after meeting tho
* [12:09] Bridie Linden: Thx Gellan
* [12:09] Bridie Linden: I was reading 492 as well
* [12:09] Alexa Linden: thanks Gellan!
* [12:09] Soft Linden: SVC-2498 claims some behavior beyond what's detailed in VWR-492. I'd close it as a dupe, but ask the reporter to review the related issue to verify.
* [12:09] Soft Linden: Also VWR-492 belongs in SVC.
* [12:09] Phillip Vought: its still a problem for those of us tat want to put info in to huds that survives a reset
* [12:09] Bridie Linden: nods to Soft
* [12:09] Soft Linden: But I'd keep 492, no 2498. 492 is a more concise, actionable description for a dev to work with.
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: ok 2498 dup of 492?
* [12:10] Bridie Linden: nod
* [12:10] Soft Linden: yus
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:10] Gellan Glenelg: eek. it's going to get a HUGE number for something logged in april
* [12:10] Soft Linden: and then move 492 to svc
* [12:10] Harleen Gretzky: 2498 is saying linked prims do retain changes
* [12:10] Gellan Glenelg: ok
* [12:10] Bridie Linden: hmm
* [12:11] Bridie Linden: What about Strife's comment on 492, soft?
* [12:11] Gellan Glenelg: april 07, that is!
* [12:11] Soft Linden: I think the desc isn't getting updated since attachments reuse the existing inventory database entry. The thing that saves back the new asset ID should also update the desc and name.
* [12:11] Harleen Gretzky: Only the root loses as in 492
* [12:11] Soft Linden: Strife's comment is correct. But a fix to 492 wouldn't change that.
* [12:11] Bridie Linden: and i just noticed that 492 was imported...ableit a while ago
* [12:12] Bridie Linden: I think I'll send that back through internal triage...
* [12:13] Alexa Linden: hi Arawn :)
* [12:13] Bridie Linden: Back to the agenda...
* [12:13] Bridie Linden: and Welcome Arawn
* [12:13] Bridie Linden: SVC-3408[c
* [12:13] Gordon Wendt: I have an issue with this one, it appears to be a two part issue which is half policy and half technical, as I commented under it on the wiki I'd suggest we only go into whether it is a bug or not and if it is note as such on the JIRA and if it isn't note it and if it is a bug only then go farther otherwise it is just a feature request
* [12:13] Arawn Spitteler: Hi, Alexa, is this where we're supposed to nag over SVC-2931?
* [12:13] Soft Linden: Bridie - it's already marked for core:smilation internally. I'd just bump the priority.
* [12:13] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3408
* [12:13] Soft Linden: (last issue, not this one)
* [12:13] Bridie Linden: ok Soft, thx
* [12:14] Bridie Linden: note on 3408: Two part issue, should probably be evaluated on whether it's an intentional or unintentional change and taken from there. Don't feel comfortable removing as not a bug as it may very well be a bug. GW (T|C) -- 17:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
* [12:14] Gordon Wendt: yes, that was my comment under it
* [12:15] Gellan Glenelg: ping andrew?
* [12:15] Alexa Linden: It's not on our triage for today Arawn :)
* [12:15] Arawn Spitteler: regards the poolicy as a bug: All Programming is jsut documentation of policy
* [12:15] Alexa Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda
* [12:15] Bridie Linden: is reading 3408
* [12:15] Soft Linden: There's also the question on this one of whether avatars and prims should be limited differently for this one. It may be that we want to special-case the avatar sit position.
* [12:15] Arawn Spitteler: 3408 is close enough
* [12:16] Gordon Wendt: Arwan, some people are saying it's wrong no matter what it is but if possible it should be figured out whether it's a bug or not since nobody is really sure
* [12:16] Squirrel Wood: this definitely breaks sit-teleporters methinks
* [12:16] Gordon Wendt: if you say it's not a bug expect it to be contentious
* [12:16] Bridie Linden: I'm not sure...
* [12:16] Phillip Vought: it *IS* consistent tho
* [12:17] Soft Linden: So this is really a dupe of SVC-1433. But the problem is that an official distance was never named. The original could be imported with the request to design an intended distance and document it in the wiki.
* [12:17] Gordon Wendt: can you bring this up to Andrew when you get a chance? he seems to be the one who could answer that
* [12:17] Jahar Aabye: were there any other changes to the llSetLinkPrimitiveParams() functions that were unrelated, that could have caused the change to occur?
* [12:17] Arawn Spitteler: Sit Target is a linkage, so the Link distance for Avies is already different. Convertiing to H4 simply demonstrated an improved condition
* [12:17] Jahar Aabye: llSitTarget() is a completely different function
* [12:17] Soft Linden: What do you mean by an imporved condition?
* [12:18] Arawn Spitteler: We were able to Sit-TP to distances where link distances really were a problem
* [12:18] Bridie Linden: Sounds like we should import 3408 and talk w/Andrew...
* [12:19] Soft Linden: Sounds good
* [12:19] Jahar Aabye: but it's apples-to-oranges, llSitTarget() isn't the same function, it's like saying llSetPos() should have a 64m range just because llMoveToTarget() does
* [12:19] Arawn Spitteler: I recall Andrew being in favor, but someone internal is opposed, for no given reason or identity.
* [12:19] Soft Linden: The related issues and a description of their relevancy is in the issue description. Andrew should be able to sort it all out.
* [12:19] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:19] Soft Linden: plus - Andrew = hella smart.
* [12:19] Alexa Linden: I'll grab both and talk to Andrew
* [12:19] Arawn Spitteler: Sit Target creates a Link, Jahar, and is a different issue, save that Agents link at that distance.
* [12:19] Bridie Linden: nods bigtime to soft
* [12:20] Gordon Wendt: Soft do I have permission to quote that last statement as my forum sig :)
* [12:20] Soft Linden: go for it :)
* [12:20] Bridie Linden: lol
* [12:20] Gordon Wendt: lol, I may very well do that
* [12:20] Bridie Linden: Now we dives into the Misc pool!
* [12:20] Bridie Linden: VWR-10007[c
* [12:20] Squirrel Wood: history lesson go! ^^
* [12:20] Alexa Linden: hahahaha
* [12:20] Bridie Linden: a go-go
* [12:20] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10007
* [12:20] Gordon Wendt: I upped the stuff to the top of the pile that has been on the lists forever and keeps coming up
* [12:21] Bridie Linden: Thx Gordon
* [12:21] Phillip Vought: this would be easily repo'd .. looks like a one off...
* [12:22] Soft Linden: For this, I believe we use system-provided certificates with Linux. I'll add a comment asking whether they have those installed
* [12:22] Alexa Linden: thanks Soft
* [12:22] Bridie Linden: thx Soft
* [12:22] Bridie Linden: Next
* [12:22] Bridie Linden: VWR-3242[c
* [12:22] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3242
* [12:22] Phillip Vought: The cert isnt the problem in 100007
* [12:22] Gordon Wendt: didn't know whether that was a bug or a feature request to change how the ui works for that
* [12:22] Phillip Vought: wups.. too many "0s"
* [12:23] Gellan Glenelg: the floater has changed since this was reported (strength added), and shouldn't it be a feature request rather than a bug anyway?
* [12:23] Soft Linden: Go on Phillip?
* [12:23] Squirrel Wood: yay for 60+ seconds of chat lag :(
* [12:23] Phillip Vought: its a failure to retreive the cert
* [12:23] Phillip Vought: related to a comms failure or a bug thats falling through to here
* [12:23] Phillip Vought: notice its an access error, not an invalid cert
* [12:24] Phillip Vought: I suspect bad libraries in SSLeay or such
* [12:24] Soft Linden: Right. I'm assuming it's looking for the root or chain certificates on the local machine in order to validate what it got back from SL.
* [12:24] Bridie Linden: "problem with the SSL CA cert (path? access rights?)"
* [12:24] Bridie Linden: So Soft will comment?
* [12:24] Phillip Vought: needs better debug info
* [12:25] Bridie Linden: Phillip will comment?:)
* [12:25] Soft Linden: Will do - but if you can think of anything else to ask, that would be great in a comment Phillip - I'll make myself a watcher
* [12:25] Phillip Vought: Heh.. will do
* [12:25] Bridie Linden: Thx!
* [12:25] Gordon Wendt: needs more info, suggest debug reporter :)
* [12:25] Bridie Linden: ok, back to 3242...
* [12:25] Bridie Linden: er, on to ?
* [12:26] Gordon Wendt: change to feature request and close as fixed? since you said strength has been added right?
* [12:26] Soft Linden: This looks like a pretty straightforward RX issue if they just want the control moved a little
* [12:26] Bridie Linden: Gellan had said: ' the floater has changed since this was reported (strength added), and shouldn't it be a feature request rather than a bug anyway?'
* [12:26] Gellan Glenelg: well, the floater's not the same as it was... it may already be "fixed"
* [12:26] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:26] Bridie Linden: let's ask them to take a look @ latest and report back
* [12:27] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [12:27] Soft Linden: Also looks like Qarl's imported a possible fix from VWR-8430
* [12:27] Bridie Linden: VWR-10398[c
* [12:27] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10398
* [12:27] Bridie Linden: Didn't we discuss 10398 last week?
* [12:27] Squirrel Wood: yes
* [12:27] Squirrel Wood: indepth
* [12:27] Squirrel Wood: and we concluded methinks that its not just the covenant
* [12:27] Bridie Linden: Right-o
* [12:27] Gellan Glenelg: it still needs a "what are you clicking on / expecting? are you closing window/ leaving it open etc
* [12:27] Squirrel Wood: the info given is a snapshot
* [12:28] Kerry Giha: This happened to me yesterday.
* [12:28] Soft Linden: For this, we should really just close the about land dialog when teleporting.
* [12:28] Kerry Giha: It was just the covenant tab when it happened to me
* [12:28] Soft Linden: There's so much special case code in the about land floater that it would be cleanest to just force it closed.
* [12:28] Alexa Linden: +1 soft
* [12:28] Kerry Giha: The General tab was correct, just the covenant showed the sim I had been in prior.
* [12:28] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:28] Squirrel Wood: Its a workable solution :)
* [12:28] Bridie Linden: So what shall we do with this issue?
* [12:29] Bridie Linden: Close as 'won't fix' or import and someday get to Soft's suggestion?
* [12:29] Soft Linden: I'd say rename this one, asking for the dialog to be closed. Or make a new one if hijacking an existing issue is uncouth.
* [12:30] Soft Linden: For a new one, this would be marked related of course, to support the need for the change.
* [12:30] Gordon Wendt: I'll create that now and link it
* [12:30] Alexa Linden: I can suggest to drew that we change this
* [12:30] Alexa Linden: then import and assign to ......
* [12:30] Alexa Linden: Rx?
* [12:30] Soft Linden: rx, yeah.
* [12:30] Bridie Linden: How 'bout we rename and add a comment with our intent and import
* [12:30] Bridie Linden: isn't typing fast enough today
* [12:30] Alexa Linden: will do
* [12:30] Squirrel Wood: nuts
* [12:31] Bridie Linden: or maybe it's not my typing...
* [12:31] Bridie Linden: :)
* [12:31] Soft Linden: hee!
* [12:31] Kerry Giha: I noticed last night when it happened to me I closed the window and opened it several times and it made no difference. I left it open and it eventually changed. It was wierd
* [12:31] Gordon Wendt: throws a basketful of nuts at Squirrel
* [12:31] Bridie Linden: Interesting Kerry!
* [12:31] Squirrel Wood: catches them all :p
* [12:31] Bridie Linden: on nom nom nom
* [12:31] Arawn Spitteler: wonders if Undo is just laggy for terrain
* [12:31] Phillip Vought: All SL comms is UDP correct? so these land updates are coming through UDP and occasionally getting lost?
* [12:31] Kerry Giha: I thought it was just lag on my end, it is pretty usual for me to have packet loss.
* [12:32] Gordon Wendt: probably a time delay between updates too
* [12:32] Jahar Aabye: might be worth having two people try it at the same time
* [12:32] Jahar Aabye: if one person reports the error and the other doesn't, then you know it's their connection or specific to something on their end only
* [12:33] Jahar Aabye: although I suppose it'd mean having people teleporting in pairs all over the grid until it happened
* [12:34] Bridie Linden: looks @ soft
* [12:34] Soft Linden: The land updates do come through UDP. But I don't believe that the target sim even knows that a land dialog is open and may not have all the information available.
* [12:34] Soft Linden: (without the viewer explicitly re-querying)
* [12:34] Gordon Wendt: Soft, do you know if there's a timer between queries from the client?
* [12:34] Gordon Wendt: because that could be an issue too
* [12:34] Gordon Wendt: ...chat lag
* [12:34] Bridie Linden: Would closing and reopening dialog work then, Soft? (requery)
* [12:35] Soft Linden: There are also problems where land information packets arriving out of order can overwrite the contents of a dialog. really, it's just a messy enough floater that I'd rather we nuked it when teleporting than trying to find all the odd degenerate cases.
* [12:35] Soft Linden: Yus.
* [12:35] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:35] Bridie Linden: Let's keep this party movin'!
* [12:35] Bridie Linden: On to...
* [12:35] Bridie Linden: # VWR-9281[c
* [12:35] Soft Linden: That's why I'd rather we just closed it at the onset of the teleport. That guarantees that the information is requested again in a normal fashion.
* [12:35] Gordon Wendt: I know it's tantamount to blasphemy but having clean code would probably make it easier :)
* [12:35] Squirrel Wood: [12:35
* [12:35] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9281
* [12:35] Phillip Vought: Gordon.. wash your mouth out ;P
* [12:36] Soft Linden: For this one, there seems to be some confusion in the comments. SL should -always- be at 100% CPU utilization if it's the foreground task.
* [12:36] Morgaine Dinova: 'Evening. Just listening in, and following jira links ;-)
* [12:36] Bridie Linden: Hiya Morgaine, bug triagin' here
* [12:36] Bridie Linden: 
* [12:36] Gordon Wendt: Soft, so this isn't related to the hundreds of other "OMG WTF CPU = 100%" issues?
* [12:36] Morgaine Dinova: Yeah, heard on the AWG grapevine ;-)
* [12:36] Soft Linden: To me, this looks like they should contact support.
* [12:37] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:37] Squirrel Wood: average cpu usage on my dualcore system is 36.7%
* [12:37] Soft Linden: Support can walk them through a reinstall or point out any known troublesome hardware in their setup.
* [12:37] Squirrel Wood: though I do have seti and such running in the background
* [12:37] Bridie Linden: wow
* [12:37] Kerry Giha: hehe
* [12:37] Bridie Linden: Onto fun w/2 monitors...
* [12:37] Bridie Linden: VWR-10475[c
* [12:37] Soft Linden: Ha - Eve + xmas lights = win :)
* [12:38] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10475
* [12:38] Squirrel Wood: 2nd monitor = not supported ?
* [12:38] Gordon Wendt: yeah what squirrel said, I don't think dual monitor displays have ever really been supported
* [12:38] Susan Tsuki: believes that the related bugs and involve very little actual work
* [12:38] Harleen Gretzky: I use dual monitors but don't have this issue
* [12:38] Bridie Linden: wonders if she'll tempt fate by trying...
* [12:38] Soft Linden: They say this worked in 1.21, breaks in 1.22. QA should verify that.
* [12:38] Phillip Vought: I dispute the "worked well" comment
* [12:38] Soft Linden: Especially for something as mainstream as XP + nVidia
* [12:39] Phillip Vought: it works.. but secondary monitors have "issues" with OpenGL
* [12:39] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:39] Bridie Linden: working on my Mac, fwiw
* [12:39] Gordon Wendt: gonna try that though, just need a system with 4 Quad SLI cards and multiple monitors, who wants to pay for that so I can test this
* [12:39] Bridie Linden: let's import for QA to have a looksie, Alexa
* [12:39] Harleen Gretzky: Never had an issue with my secondary monitor either
* [12:40] Susan Tsuki: ty, Soft, this EVE is by Th30th3rm3 Zinner I think, or Nora Wayne or both
* [12:40] Jahar Aabye: I've got an SLi setup (2 cards, in other words) and a second monitor sitting next to me
* [12:40] Jahar Aabye: but never used it
* [12:40] Jahar Aabye: but I could test it
* [12:41] Phillip Vought: You'll break SLI when you setup the 2nd monitor.. you need 3 cards
* [12:41] Bridie Linden: Last one was reported w/1.22 viewer
* [12:41] Gordon Wendt: I think there's specific issues with different cards and setups which make it tricky which (and Lindens please correct me if I'm wrong) is one of the reasons it's never really been supported
* [12:41] Susan Tsuki: who is LL's expert UTF-8 internationalizationalizer?
* [12:41] Jahar Aabye: ah, right, didn't think SLi specifically was needed to test it
* [12:41] Gordon Wendt: ok granted that's true with any setup so I think I may be very wrong
* [12:42] Bridie Linden: Hmm, Susan, whatcha looking for?
* [12:42] Bridie Linden: Next on the agenda...
* [12:42] Bridie Linden: VWR-3248[c
* [12:42] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3248
* [12:42] Soft Linden: For this one, I'd import VWR-9036 and see if that fixes it.
* [12:43] Soft Linden: VWR-9036 claims that point lights are briefly switched off when updated by a script. That would cause this flickering as other lights are then briefly enabled and disabled.
* [12:43] Susan Tsuki: I'm looking for SVC-391 and -412 assignees
* [12:43] Joeseph Albanese: That sounds like the space nav prob. Where if you hide your huds it went away.
* [12:43] Morgaine Dinova: Whether a graphic app has 100% CPU utilization or not is just a matter of design. Those that have a busy-waiting loop for frame and/or event processing (or both together) use 100% CPU. Those that wait on incoming events (including the frame-draw event) use less than 100% -- I use the latter design.
* [12:43] Gordon Wendt: ok I'm lost now
* [12:43] Bridie Linden: Soft: u mean, import and see if VWR-9036 still repros?
* [12:44] Soft Linden: Bridie - import and fix VWR-9036 if VWR-9036 proves correct, yus
* [12:44] Bridie Linden: Ok
* [12:44] Soft Linden: That would probably fix this issue.
* [12:44] Susan Tsuki: is a one-liner fix
* [12:45] Soft Linden: Hmm. This one could be closed as a dupe with the request to reopen it if 9036 ships and the problem persists.
* [12:45] Susan Tsuki: but it's been open for more than a year
* [12:45] Soft Linden: Susan - can you save that for the end of the meeting? It's difficult to track multiple JIRAs in discussion at once
* [12:45] Susan Tsuki: whoever gets SVC-412 should get too
* [12:45] Susan Tsuki: ok
* [12:45] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:45] Bridie Linden: Thx Susan
* [12:46] Susan Tsuki: yw np
* [12:46] Soft Linden: We're working in order from 
* [12:46] Bridie Linden: I think we're now on...
* [12:46] Bridie Linden: VWR-10418[c
* [12:46] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10418
* [12:46] Susan Tsuki: thanks, Soft
* [12:46] Gellan Glenelg: aww. shame there's no screenshot
* [12:46] Jahar Aabye: well, it sounds easy enough to test
* [12:47] Bridie Linden: See related issue
* [12:47] Gellan Glenelg: well, i related that - but that's NOT the reflection
* [12:47] Phillip Vought: one sec I'll test
* [12:47] Kerry's Nose: Squirrel Wood Clicked.
* [12:47] Soft Linden: This should be a quickie to fix. Mouselook culling shouldn't be done on the reflection render pass.
* [12:47] Bridie Linden: True Gellan - and that one is resolved internally
* [12:47] Soft Linden: This could be imported and tagged with maint-render. The priority's right though.
* [12:47] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:48] Susan Tsuki: there aren't any bugs on the adgenda which have more votes than SVC-{391,412} :D
* [12:48] Bridie Linden: Alexa, can you also resolve VWR-6480 later?
* [12:48] Bridie Linden: Susan is good lobbyist! ;)
* [12:48] Alexa Linden: sure
* [12:48] Susan Tsuki: (the glob notation for combination is allowed when they ar related, I hope)
* [12:48] Gellan Glenelg: susan, SVC-412 is already imported. the agenda is not-imported bugs only
* [12:49] Susan Tsuki: okay I'll be quiet now
* [12:49] Bridie Linden: Next
* [12:49] Bridie Linden: VWR-9979[c
* [12:49] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9979
* [12:50] Soft Linden: This could be passed directly to Ruinitai
* [12:50] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:50] Bridie Linden: Good call, Soft
* [12:50] Gordon Wendt: remind me to rig the list next time so we have fewer of these damn rendering bugs :)
* [12:50] Jahar Aabye: well, I can't seem to see my reflection at all, so either there's six more weeks of winter, or something's wrong on my end
* [12:50] Soft Linden: He's the owner of deferred rendering and would know if the x1300 is intended to be supported
* [12:50] Gellan Glenelg: does the same on my nvidia... not sure what it's MENAT to do tho
* [12:51] Bridie Linden: Ruinitai also == hella smart
* [12:51] Phillip Vought: I'll look in to the reflection thing (pun intended)
* [12:51] Bridie Linden: lol
* [12:51] Bridie Linden: if only your name were Phillip Glass....
* [12:51] Bridie Linden: :)
* [12:51] Bridie Linden: NExt on the list...
* [12:51] Bridie Linden: VWR-6907[c
* [12:51] Phillip Vought: I need to tweak my water settings to make it more reflective
* [12:51] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6907
* [12:52] Gordon Wendt: needs more info?
* [12:52] Soft Linden: This person should contact upport if if it's still an issue
* [12:52] Gellan Glenelg: harleen's right - OLD drivers
* [12:52] Soft Linden: Yus.
* [12:52] Bridie Linden: Ask reporter to try w/newer viewer and newer drivers?
* [12:52] Squirrel Wood: old gpu too
* [12:52] Jahar Aabye: ummm, in VWR-6907: "Graphics Card: GeForce4 MX
* [12:52] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:52] Phillip Vought: not an SL bug
* [12:52] Kerry Giha: I agree probably old Hardware and drivers
* [12:52] Soft Linden: Harleen's question is sufficient comment on that. I'd just do contact support for final resolution, if they haven't figured this out on their own yet.
* [12:53] Bridie Linden: ah, yes Kerry
* [12:53] Bridie Linden: and yes to Soft
* [12:53] Bridie Linden: Next
* [12:53] Bridie Linden: VWR-9954[c
* [12:53] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9954
* [12:54] Joeseph Albanese: Oh I seen this happen a few times.
* [12:54] Soft Linden: Odd.
* [12:54] Gordon Wendt: needs a consistent repro?
* [12:54] Bridie Linden: nods
* [12:54] Squirrel Wood: permission problem ?
* [12:54] Gordon Wendt: the reporter themselves can't seem to consistently repro it
* [12:54] Jahar Aabye: It shouldn't be possible, llStartAnimation() requires PERMISSION_TRIGGER_ANIMATION
* [12:54] Soft Linden: I'd ask them to give the name of the object in their inventory and to give permission for a QA Linden to rez the item out of their inventory to test it.
* [12:54] Joeseph Albanese: Ill try a repro today
* [12:55] Opensource Obscure: Soft, resident permission is needed for that?
* [12:55] Gordon Wendt: I take it that's just a courtesy asking permission soft since Lindens as we know are omnipotent
* [12:55] Bridie Linden: :)
* [12:55] Soft Linden: Coutesy thing, yus.
* [12:55] Opensource Obscure: got it thanks.
* [12:55] Bridie Linden: We try to say 'please' and 'thank you' too :)
* [12:55] Soft Linden: I don't know if there's firm policy. But most Lindens are privacy nuts.
* [12:55] Opensource Obscure: (i appreciate that)
* [12:55] Gordon Wendt: remove privacy and I'd agree :)
* [12:56] Joeseph Albanese: relates to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7210
* [12:56] Soft Linden: Thanks, Gordon :p :)
* [12:56] Bridie Linden: shall we take the last few to look @ Susan's issues or do we want to put them on next week's agenda?
* [12:56] Susan Tsuki: please ?
* [12:56] Soft Linden: Sure, or just any where people are curious about the status if that's what Susan's after
* [12:56] Gordon Wendt: If we have time I'd love to see VWR-10186 be adressed but if we don't have time I'll make sure it's on next week's
* [12:56] Gellan Glenelg: is already imported (over a year ago)
* [12:57] Soft Linden: What were your issues, Susan?
* [12:57] Susan Tsuki: is the one-line, and is the related issue which involves a little more of the same kind of work
* [12:57] Bridie Linden: looks @ 412
* [12:57] Susan Tsuki: those bugs would be great for whomever has last checked in changes to llEmail() implementation
* [12:57] Susan Tsuki: or any UTF-8 expert
* [12:57] Soft Linden: Bridie, 412 is resolved as duplicate but doesn't name the dupe (grrrrr)
* [12:57] Soft Linden: Mind if I reopen and ask for a link to the dupe?
* [12:58] Susan Tsuki: it shows as open for me
* [12:58] Bridie Linden: it's listed soft
* [12:58] Soft Linden: Ah, oops - I only looked at issue links
* [12:58] Gordon Wendt: both show as open to me and related
* [12:58] Harleen Gretzky: They are talking the internal jira
* [12:58] Gordon Wendt: I'm guessing this is one of those simple things that could be done easily if not for QA taking forever
* [12:59] Susan Tsuki: uh oh, jiraforkage!
* [12:59] Gordon Wendt: especially since I'm guessing internally this would be a low priority
* [12:59] Phillip Vought: well it is technically non-compliant to the RFC
* [12:59] Squirrel Wood: If its a one-liner then someone can throw it in between two meetings :p
* [12:59] Bridie Linden: I think I'll update internal version...send back to triage?
* [13:00] Phillip Vought: so it should get fixed one way or the other
* [13:00] Gordon Wendt: Phillip, I think the whole concept of SL is non compliant to any number of guidelines and papers on how networking and infastructure should work
* [13:00] Bridie Linden: I'll update PJIRA so it points to correct internal id too
* [13:00] Susan Tsuki: tyvm!
* [13:00] Bridie Linden: what was other issue Susan?
* [13:00] Phillip Vought: as a network architect Gordon.. you have no idea how much I agree ;)
* [13:00] Jahar Aabye: noncompliant? Oooh, we're renegades now
* [13:00] Susan Tsuki: