Bug triage/2008-12-15/Transcript

* [11:59] Alexa Linden: Kona may be a bit late today so I'm driving this baby today
* [11:59] Alexa Linden: please wear your seat belts
* [12:00] Squirrel Wood: vwr-10971 - fps changes wildly when turning to / from a flock of people
* [12:00] Alexa Linden: and keep your hands and limbs in the car at all times
* [12:00] Squirrel Wood: vbo or not
* [12:00] Gordon Wendt: Squirrel, a bit out of order?
* [12:00] Bridie Linden: ty Alexa!!
* [12:00] Gordon Wendt: I meant in the listings
* [12:01] Alexa Linden: first up - https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10311
* [12:01] Soft Linden: Woot. I like public meetings better. No voice.
* [12:01] Alexa Linden: Enable LipSync by default
* [12:01] Gordon Wendt: seems more like a feature request
* [12:01] Alexa Linden: it is
* [12:01] Gordon Wendt: and from the comments not an uncontroversial change
* [12:02] Prospero Tester: I like the idea myself
* [12:02] Alexa Linden: I do too
* [12:02] Soft Linden: Internally it's gotten a lot of discussion. This could be imported and linked to that.
* [12:02] Squirrel Wood: lip sync makes no sense for me :p
* [12:02] Aimee Trescothick: can't see any down side really
* [12:02] Gellan Glenelg: it's more "flap" than "sync" :(
* [12:02] Soft Linden: Some concern about whether to turn it on before it can detect glottal stops and similar.
* [12:02] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:03] Squirrel Wood: turn it on ^^
* [12:03] Prospero Tester: Hm.
* [12:03] Squirrel Wood: more enabled features = more satisfied players
* [12:03] Prospero Tester: Mouth flapping is better than no mouth movement IMHO
* [12:03] Prospero Tester: generally just turns it on
* [12:03] Alexa Linden: I can tie to an internal one if you can dig it up for me
* [12:03] Soft Linden: Different people have different reads on it. I like it how it is now. Other people say it makes people look like fish.
* [12:03] Aimee Trescothick: it's a whole lot better than nothing
* [12:03] Aimee Trescothick: not perfect guaranteed
* [12:04] Gordon Wendt: hi Ella
* [12:04] Soft Linden: Alexa - DEV-22722 would be a good candidate.
* [12:04] Squirrel Wood: If it looks funny then turn it on ^^
* [12:04] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:04] Aimee Trescothick: lol Squirrel
* [12:04] Soft Linden: That's the JIRA for deciding what pref should be there and how. The default choice would be one consideration of that JIRA.
* [12:05] Alexa Linden: next is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11068
* [12:05] Aimee Trescothick: it would be good if people could chose whether it applied to them
* [12:05] Alexa Linden: Fixes for bugs in the spillover menus
* [12:05] Aimee Trescothick: then YOU get to chose whether you look like a fish
* [12:05] Kona Linden: Happy Monday Folks!
* [12:06] Squirrel Wood: Hoppy Monday to you too!
* [12:06] Gordon Wendt: If it's doing what he says it's doing then that looks like a good catch and a good fix
* [12:06] Soft Linden: This patch looks pretty straightforward. I'd import for viewer triage
* [12:06] Ellla McMahon: hello everyone :))
* [12:06] Alexa Linden: will do
* [12:06] Alexa Linden: Hi Ellla
* [12:07] Gordon Wendt: not surprising that he caught it while working on something else since the bug seems like an edge case
* [12:07] Alexa Linden: Nice wings Gordon :)
* [12:07] Gordon Wendt: thanks
* [12:07] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11069
* [12:07] Gordon Wendt: let me know if they start causing lag issues
* [12:07] Alexa Linden: 1. Second Life Viewer - VWR
* Installer displays "China" in language selection
* Created: Saturday 02:16 PM Updated: Saturday 04:00 PM
* [12:07] Alexa Linden: ok odd
* [12:07] Alexa Linden: Installer displays "China" in language selection
* [12:08] Alexa Linden: grabbed too much
* [12:08] Phillip Vought: Ahh the freebie particle wings.. those things are all clientside lag ;)
* [12:08] Gordon Wendt: Phillip, these aren't freebies by any means
* [12:08] Soft Linden: Ha, yeah. Also viewer triage.
* [12:08] Alexa Linden: kk
* [12:09] Alexa Linden: next as we fly along
* [12:09] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1207
* [12:09] Alexa Linden: Group land sales should pay immediately
* [12:09] Gellan Glenelg: bug? or feature request?
* [12:09] Soft Linden: That would be a feature request.
* [12:09] Soft Linden: And should also go by the fraud and land teams before any dev goes near it.
* [12:09] Alexa Linden: ok will move
* [12:09] Alexa Linden: agreed
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10498
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: Scripts "Revert" to Prior Versions after Save
* [12:10] Gellan Glenelg: yeah - this happens a lot when working on HUD scripts... I've got used to keeping backups
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: ya, I was going to say
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: I do any script updates outside of the HUD for this reason
* [12:11] Alexa Linden: so I have a backup in case
* [12:11] Kona Linden: it's such a pain =(
* [12:11] Soft Linden: Only one vote?
* [12:11] Gellan Glenelg: there - 2 now (i'd not seen it before)
* [12:11] Alexa Linden: :)
* [12:12] Alexa Linden: it is a pain, I do agree
* [12:12] Squirrel Wood: I rez the hud inworld to work on it
* [12:12] Alexa Linden: mark with a last triaged date?
* [12:12] Soft Linden: I don't think there's enough for a dev to bite into yet. Yeah, I'd leave it for more comments unless QA is itchy.
* [12:12] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:12] Soft Linden: watches it tho
* [12:12] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3502
* [12:13] Alexa Linden: Windlight stops displaying prims after a while... empty regions
* [12:13] Gellan Glenelg: will try to get a solid repro (I think I know what will do it)
* [12:13] Aimee Trescothick: ooooooold issue
* [12:13] Kona Linden: Meh, QA is always itchy
* [12:13] Alexa Linden: ooh ya, it is
* [12:13] Gordon Wendt: oops, slipped through my radar
* [12:13] Gordon Wendt: my bad
* [12:13] Alexa Linden: I can ask if it's still a problem with the latest RC, etc
* [12:13] Squirrel Wood: ya. best to ask if still a problem there
* [12:13] Alexa Linden: no worries gordon, you do a great job :)
* [12:13] Squirrel Wood: try 1.22.3
* [12:14] Squirrel Wood: rc
* [12:14] Alexa Linden: yup yup
* [12:14] Aimee Trescothick: yeah, I vaguely remember that happening back then, long since resolved I think
* [12:14] Gellan Glenelg: didn't we triage a similar one last week - something about neighbouring regions' prims being culled?
* [12:14] Squirrel Wood: btw... regular client shows tooltips when hovering over lsl commands. rc fails at that
* [12:14] Soft Linden: Ralf also deserves a medal for using SL on a sub-800mhz machine.
* [12:14] Kona Linden: yeah, I've not heard of that issue for some time
* [12:14] Alexa Linden: ya, we did
* [12:14] Kona Linden: lol
* [12:14] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-905
* [12:15] Alexa Linden: teen grid events showing up on main site
* [12:15] Gordon Wendt: idk Gellan, we had a few weeks last month where last triage dates didn't seem to be assigned so the same issues may be coming back up if I didn't remember that we've already covered them
* [12:15] Kona Linden: That's an on again/off again issue for some reason
* [12:15] Gellan Glenelg: there was another one recently, main grid results showing in TG searches
* [12:15] Gordon Wendt: bug web team about that one since the events thing is they're system right?
* [12:16] Alexa Linden: ya we've had a couple on this subject
* [12:16] Soft Linden: Yeah, I'd import for web triage.
* [12:16] Phillip Vought: I had entire regions being redrawn.. if thats the one you meant gordon?
* [12:16] Alexa Linden: will do
* [12:16] Alexa Linden: ya, that was it phillip :)
* [12:16] Gordon Wendt: actually, you might want to ask whether it's web listings specific, in-world events search specific, or both?
* [12:17] Alexa Linden: next is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10698
* [12:17] Soft Linden: I'd import this as related to DEV-23677 "viewer hangs at Initializingmultimedia on first run after system start"
* [12:17] Alexa Linden: which we discussed in a different traige
* [12:18] Phillip Vought: ugh.. this is the 3rd time this ones up
* [12:18] Soft Linden: Or just make DEV-23677 the internal issue for it
* [12:18] Soft Linden: Also going to ask on the public issue if this only happens on the first run after reboot
* [12:18] Alexa Linden: ok - I'll link these together
* [12:18] Alexa Linden: thanks Soft
* [12:18] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1954
* [12:19] Alexa Linden: Permissions given by another resident to another to edit their prims ...
* [12:19] Gordon Wendt: VWR-10698 is going in the textfile that I keep of issues to automatically cull as I see them
* [12:19] Gordon Wendt: better suited as a feature request I think to change the behvaior
* [12:19] Phillip Vought: you cant edit othets objects if they are locked
* [12:19] Soft Linden: I'd suspect they were trying to assign a no-trans texture to the other person's object
* [12:19] Gordon Wendt: *behavior
* [12:19] Soft Linden: Ah, or locked - good point too
* [12:20] Squirrel Wood: I believe the texture must be full perms
* [12:20] Alexa Linden: yup
* [12:20] Gordon Wendt: Admittedly the behavior is not generally what you'd expect and illogical but it's as intended I think
* [12:20] Soft Linden: No comments from others - I'd do contact support along with these other comments.
* [12:20] Soft Linden: adds comments
* [12:20] Gordon Wendt: in terms of the scripting issue
* [12:20] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:20] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3505
* [12:20] Alexa Linden: Inventory items missing following recent asset server upgrades or resulting from griefer attacks
* [12:21] Gordon Wendt: Soft, you closed this one but someone reopened since it's still happening I guess
* [12:21] Alexa Linden: ummm
* [12:21] Soft Linden: The person who reopened doesn't say anything relating to the issue though, just that they got griefed with chat spammers.
* [12:21] Alexa Linden: I need to edit this one
* [12:21] Squirrel Wood: There was an inventory issue a couple days ago
* [12:21] Gordon Wendt: copies this over to a txt file before security through obscurity kicks in and it winds up in the SEC blackhole
* [12:22] Alexa Linden: ya... and pjira is a PG site
* [12:22] Soft Linden: Anyway, nothing actionable on this one. I'm going to needs-more-info on this again, clarifying that we need to know about more than just text spam.
* [12:22] Gordon Wendt: Alexa, naming names too
* [12:22] Alexa Linden: ya....
* [12:23] Alexa Linden: I'll take care of and contact the poster after the meeting
* [12:23] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1501
* [12:23] Gordon Wendt: actually while your at it you might as well ban everyone who's griefed and can actually give a coherent JIRA issue on it daring not to put it on SEC </sarcasm>
* [12:23] Alexa Linden: Havok4 does not seem to have a mass-based llRezObject Throttle
* [12:23] Squirrel Wood: December 10th was the last MAJOR asset server failure I experienced
* [12:24] Soft Linden: Did Andrew assign this to himself, or was someone trying to be helpful?
* [12:24] Gordon Wendt: Alexa, seems like a feature request although it's a good point, there should be a mass based throttle since currently as long as I'm not recursive rezzing there is nothing to stop llrezobject from rezzing an object every .1 seconds
* [12:24] Soft Linden: Andrew did it.
* [12:24] Soft Linden: Alexa, this should be imported and assigned to Andrew to keep things in sync.
* [12:24] Soft Linden: Easy to lose an issue if it's only self-assigned publicly, not internally where all the work queues are.
* [12:25] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [12:25] Squirrel Wood: You can rez well over 200 objects as fast as possible before the grey goo filter kicks in
* [12:25] Squirrel Wood: so there IS a limit.
* [12:25] Soft Linden: It's from Feb so it may be since resolved, but Andrew would know for sure.
* [12:25] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:26] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8680
* [12:26] Alexa Linden: Perms not being honored after transfer
* [12:26] Squirrel Wood: ah
* [12:26] Alexa Linden: old
* [12:26] Squirrel Wood: perms revert to original perms the prims had before being linked
* [12:26] Squirrel Wood: we had a similar one not long ago
* [12:26] Alexa Linden: yup
* [12:27] Alexa Linden: I'll ping tj for an update and probably link to a duplicate
* [12:27] Phli Foxchase: GRIEFER!
* [12:27] Kona Linden: lol
* [12:27] Gordon Wendt: sorry, just proving a point
* [12:27] Soft Linden: Alexa - it would be at least related to DEV-5912 internally.
* [12:27] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:27] Soft Linden: But not a dupe of that.
* [12:27] Alexa Linden: kk
* [12:28] Celierra Darling: (would anyone mind if I tack SVC-2956 onto the end of the list?)
* [12:28] Alexa Linden: last for today is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10971
* [12:28] Alexa Linden: sure, we can add that next :)
* [12:28] Alexa Linden: Frame rate (FPS) changes wildly with VBO enabled on an ATi Radeon 2900 XT
* [12:28] Kona Linden: Drivers related
* [12:28] Soft Linden: Is VBO enabled by default?
* [12:28] Soft Linden: If not, it's not really a bug.
* [12:28] Kona Linden: no
* [12:28] Soft Linden: VBO is going to be very inefficient on any card not supporting VBO.
* [12:29] Kona Linden: at least it used to not be
* [12:29] Soft Linden: I'll Needs-more-info with that question to be sure. Cool?
* [12:29] Alexa Linden: it wasn't the default in 1.22.3
* [12:29] Kona Linden: Soft, you might want to touch base with Zen or BigPapi on that one
* [12:30] Kona Linden: If i recall correctly, that was a topic of issue when I was testing that a couple of years back
* [12:30] Kona Linden: especially for ATI cards
* [12:30] Soft Linden: If Baloo comes back saying it is enabled, it would get pushed to maint-render where they'd see it for that.
* [12:30] Soft Linden: marked it up
* [12:31] Alexa Linden: and last is the issue Celierra brought up
* [12:31] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2956
* [12:31] Alexa Linden: "Attempt to rez an object failed." after wearing from ground, quickly detaching, then attempting rez (possible inventory loss)
* [12:31] Alexa Linden: this I've seen I think in a jira
* [12:32] Alexa Linden: you can't wear from ground, detach and then find in your inventory
* [12:32] Alexa Linden: you need to have it on your inventory to land back there,,,, kind of thing
* [12:32] Gellan Glenelg: possible cause of all the AO losses?
* [12:32] Kona Linden: wait, if you dropped it first, you can
* [12:32] Alexa Linden: ya, I would say so Gellan
* [12:32] Gordon Wendt: It's related to VWR-6110 which is the OMG I HAVE TO ABUSE SHOWSTOPPER!!!! bug
* [12:32] Gellan Glenelg: lol
* [12:32] Soft Linden: Oof. This wants investigation.
* [12:32] Alexa Linden: especially since most people lose their huds after editing them
* [12:33] Squirrel Wood: serious investigation
* [12:33] Soft Linden: If we don't, we should be locking inventory db items against changes when they're in the process of being rezzed in world, etc
* [12:33] Squirrel Wood: and it requires people to be patient and not hurry
* [12:33] Alexa Linden: and I've seen notecards from the creators, telling people to put back in their inventory first
* [12:33] Alexa Linden: ya
* [12:33] Squirrel Wood: patience is the key to success
* [12:33] Alexa Linden: so I do think this ties to HUD losses
* [12:34] Gordon Wendt: what's really needed is a challenge response system when rezzing to ground or taking from inventory saying, do you have this object then a response saying yes I have the object
* [12:34] Gordon Wendt: and then maybe a third one saying ok I'll remove my copy then
* [12:34] Gordon Wendt: essentially a syn -> ack -> syn/ack type system
* [12:34] Soft Linden: Well, just having the server track when an object is being rezzed to world or to a HUD point and blocking other operations against that inventory line would be sufficient
* [12:34] Gordon Wendt: but I'm guessing that hasn't been done because it would mean a rewrite
* [12:34] Squirrel Wood: when you take a no copy object into inventory there already IS a check if that succeeded and if not, the object is put back into the sim
* [12:34] Phillip Vought: or only perform the actions on sims that you can roll back ;)
* [12:34] Squirrel Wood: but there is a timeout for that
* [12:35] Phillip Vought: I knew there was a reason we paid the extra 100USD ;)
* [12:35] Gordon Wendt: Squirrel, so on laggy sioms that's pointless then which is when a lot of this happens anyway I think
* [12:35] Gordon Wendt: *sims
* [12:36] Gordon Wendt: It's reproed up to 1.24.9 too and unless there's some hidden change in 1.25.0-1.25.2 then it'll still probably repro
* [12:36] Gordon Wendt: granted even if it was fixed in that I don't have hopes of seeing 1.25.2 anytime soon :(
* [12:36] Alexa Linden: so what do you think on this one?
* [12:37] Soft Linden: I'd import for examination. It would be great if QA can prove it out for a dev
* [12:37] Alexa Linden: will do :)
* [12:37] Celierra Darling: Anyone need help reproing (if people are trying now?)?
* [12:37] Soft Linden: Ah, and a note that CD is willing to help repro if needed :)
* [12:38] Alexa Linden: I've repro'd in the past
* [12:38] Alexa Linden: I've lost things early in my SL days doing this :p
* [12:38] Alexa Linden: and that's all of the agenda for today!
* [12:38] Gellan Glenelg: I had a question for prospero...
* [12:39] Gellan Glenelg: got a bit ugly, because the reporter didn't agree his "blank name in active speakers list" issue was the same as "blank name in funds transfer" one (https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3441)
* [12:39] Gellan Glenelg: Could the title of SVC-3441 be changed to something more generic than "Linden funds transfer dialog does not always show resident's name"?
* [12:39] Gordon Wendt: it's even broader now actually, it's blank name in friends list and profile display (with the group names being the only thing that shows accurately) now
* [12:39] Celierra Darling: ( Thanks for letting me add that at the last second, Alexa :) )
* [12:39] Gordon Wendt: as far as I've seen
* [12:40] Gordon Wendt: although I can't reliable repro much of that
* [12:40] Gellan Glenelg: do we want ALL the "blank" names ones redirected to SVC-3441?
* [12:40] Gellan Glenelg: I don't see how it can be different bugs
* [12:41] Gordon Wendt: it was all triggered by 1.25 rollout right?
* [12:41] Alexa Linden: Yes and yes Gellan
* [12:41] Alexa Linden: I can change the subject if you want
* [12:41] Gellan Glenelg: well, I didn't want to do it without discussion :)
* [12:41] Bridie Linden: Have folks seen 3441 recently (in last 2 hrs?)
* [12:41] Alexa Linden: do you agree that "blank name in friends list and profile display" covers all of it?
* [12:42] Gordon Wendt: no, link?
* [12:42] Squirrel Wood: points
* [12:42] Gellan Glenelg: oooh - can everyone pay *me* $100 (or $100,000 - I'm not fussy) to see if I can repro it? :PPPPP
* [12:42] Kona Linden: lol
* [12:42] Gordon Wendt: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3441
* [12:42] Aimee Trescothick: I will if you will do it for me first
* [12:42] Gellan Glenelg: didnt repro alexa
* [12:42] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:43] Phillip Vought: Soft.. can you give us an update on VWR-8818? is it being worked?
* [12:43] Alexa Linden: HAHAHA gellan, thanks for my $1 back :p
* [12:43] Squirrel Wood: gave you PaidYouL$100.
* [12:43] Gordon Wendt: SVC-11060 is what I was thinking of with the friends list I think
* [12:43] Phillip Vought: I've seen that happen this week
* [12:43] Squirrel Wood: happened to me last saturday
* [12:43] Prospero Tester: Hey all
* [12:43] Prospero Tester: Re: the blank name issue, we THINK we know where it's coming from
* [12:44] Gordon Wendt: MISC-1924 is another serious one that seems to be a big issue on this, it's offline IM's even not showing the names which seems to be fairly serious issue
* [12:44] Prospero Tester: We're trying to figure out how to test it, since we haven't created a clean-room reproduction
* [12:44] Soft Linden: Checking the picker one
* [12:44] Gordon Wendt: Propsero probably keeps eating cookies in the clean room
* [12:44] Gordon Wendt: *Prospero
* [12:44] Prospero Tester: heh
* [12:44] Soft Linden: Looks like the texture picker lags issue is in the QA pile right now - no dev on that one specifically
* [12:45] Phillip Vought: Ahh.. thanks vmuch..
* [12:45] Squirrel Wood: I believe you need a busy sim (20+ avatars + script lag + physics lag) to eventually repro this one
* [12:45] Gordon Wendt: Squirrel, if I can get Linden permission to do so I'll be happy to create physics and script lag
* [12:46] Gordon Wendt: as well as particle lag, and any other type of lag we need :)
* [12:46] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I see Owner and Creator as No One on this one
* [12:46] Phillip Vought: Heh.. I dont need permission.. look at my ARC.. and my script load is nearly as bad :P
* [12:46] Squirrel Wood: particles are client side :p
* [12:46] Soft Linden: Basically, you're asking permission to grief :)
* [12:46] Gordon Wendt: Soft, at least I ask
* [12:46] XLR8RRICK Hudson: noiw Squirrel
* [12:46] Soft Linden: jokes
* [12:46] Squirrel Wood: grief? that tends to be cleaned up in less than 20 seconds nowadays ^^
* [12:46] Kona Linden: basically
* [12:47] Soft Linden: If they aren't there already, adding any repro steps to the issue would be helpful
* [12:47] Phillip Vought: tell that to Nissan.. their sim's been megaprimgriefed for most of the day ;)
* [12:47] Soft Linden: We can be sure the internal devs know to look there for more data
* [12:47] Gordon Wendt: Squirrel, yes if a Linden is purposefully on search and destroy otherwise there are ways to make it harder
* [12:47] Soft Linden: Would be good to hold off until after the meeting for any tests here, though. We don't want some people crashing out.
* [12:47] Gordon Wendt: anti auto-return tech is convienent in that regard
* [12:47] Squirrel Wood: anti autoreturn... object linking with itself :p
* [12:48] Soft Linden: Help me out here - are we all on a single issue right now?
* [12:48] Soft Linden: I'm getting lost in comments.
* [12:48] Gordon Wendt: sorry Soft, squirrell and I were getting a little off-topic
* [12:49] XLR8RRICK Hudson: blank name
* [12:49] Kona Linden: lol
* [12:49] Soft Linden: If more repro/data is coming in on these blank name issues, we should at least make sure they're all linked up to the one that's imported.
* [12:49] Squirrel Wood: We are still blanking names, are we?
* [12:49] Gordon Wendt: can someone please point the people at MISC-1924, over to SVC-3441 as well since it seems to be in the same issue that way it can be consolidated
* [12:49] Squirrel Wood: make one the meta issue ?
* [12:50] Soft Linden: Okay, the SVC one is the one that's imported. On the internal, I'll add note to look here for repro information, and to look at the related issues too, if a dev's still hurting for more details.
* [12:51] Alexa Linden: I will gordon
* [12:51] Alexa Linden: thanks for the heads up
* [12:51] Gordon Wendt: thanks
* [12:51] Alexa Linden: I updated the name on 2441 too
* [12:51] Alexa Linden: Blank name in friends list, profile display, Funds Transfers and Active Speakers
* [12:52] Gordon Wendt: If you want to see how vague an issue is look at the number of duplicates, the people who are hunting those down and closing them pointing people to the original deserve the fanks
* [12:52] Gordon Wendt: *thanks
* [12:52] Alexa Linden: and will add this to the front of pjira as one of the "hot" issues
* [12:52] Gellan Glenelg: ty alexa
* [12:52] Alexa Linden: and hopefully, that will cut down on dups
* [12:53] Alexa Linden: and I think that's it for today
* [12:53] Gordon Wendt: Alexa, if the devs need more info please let us know next week since you have a dedicated team of people here who love to make their names disappear.... and only ocassionally re-appear
* [12:53] Bridie Linden: thx all!
* [12:53] Alexa Linden: ok thank you gordon
* [12:53] Alexa Linden: I'll remember that
* [12:53] Alexa Linden: thank you all for also bringing up hot issues not on the agenda
* [12:53] Gordon Wendt: you'd have to ask PN if you want their names to permanently stay off the list though :)
* [12:53] Alexa Linden: and being our ears and eyes
* [12:54] Alexa Linden: have a good afternoon/evening and I'll see some of you weds.
* [12:54] Gordon Wendt: I'll beat the Lindens to it....
* [12:54] Gordon Wendt: I have another meeting to get to
* [12:54] Gordon Wendt: hah
* [12:54] Alexa Linden: beating lindens??!?!?
* [12:54] Phillip Vought: TTFN! all
* [12:54] Kona Linden: lol
* [12:54] Alexa Linden: bye all!
* [12:54] Squirrel Wood: ^^
* [12:54] Gordon Wendt: bye
* [12:54] Phillip Vought: Later Squirrel ;)