Community Tools User Group/29-September-2011

==Attendees List==
*Adamburp Adamczyk (adamburp.adamczyk)
*Gfresh Botha (gfresh.botha)
*Jeremy Linden (jeremy.linden)
*Lisa Fossett (lisa.fossett)
*Rand Linden (rand.linden)
*Reed (reed.steamroller)
*Second Life (second.life)
*Time Minder (time.minder)
==Transcript for Thursday September 29, 2011==
[12:57]	Lisa Fossett 	and Jeremy
[12:57]	Rand Linden 	Howdy!
[12:58]	Jeremy Linden 	Hello!
[12:58]	Jeremy Linden 	Jeremy Linden waits for his chair to rez.
[12:58]	Lisa Fossett 	my sculpts have been rezzing slowly the last few days
[12:59]	Lisa Fossett 	Still waiting for 1 cushion on this couch to rez....
[12:59]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	hi guys
[12:59]	Jeremy Linden 	I see everything now, but I'm on a Project Viewer :-)
[12:59]	Lisa Fossett 	Hi, Reed :)
[13:00]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	Reed just wants group chat to work :(
[13:01]	Lisa Fossett 	Lisa Fossett giggles...you don't want much, do you?
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden 	Does it not? I thought we'd made significant improvements to that in recent months.
[13:01]	Lisa Fossett 	Mine has been behaving lately
[13:01]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	i can't get the user list to come up in Autodesk Maya for SL
[13:02]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	err... the resident list
[13:02]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	or whatever you want to call it
[13:02]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	ok
[13:02]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	why isn't anybody else here.
[13:02]	Lisa Fossett 	member list?
[13:02]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	time to do something about that
[13:02]	Jeremy Linden 	It's a bit early yet, but feel free to draw more of a crowd if you like :-)
[13:03]	Lisa Fossett 	Lisa Fossett checks her fullest group and the member list won't load
[13:03]	Lisa Fossett 	but, I imagine that Maya group is not 1000s of members.
[13:03]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	its close to a thousand
[13:03]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	not sure how many
[13:03]	Lisa Fossett 	This group has 91 thousand
[13:03]	Jeremy Linden 	Whoa.
[13:04]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	holy smokes
[13:04]	Lisa Fossett 	I'm amazed anything gets through
[13:04]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	what group is it?
[13:04]	Lisa Fossett 	OpenCollar
[13:05]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	maya now has 912 members
[13:05]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	seen a lot more since mesh came about
[13:05]	Lisa Fossett 	not surprising
[13:05]	Gfresh Botha 	hi Lisa
[13:05]	Lisa Fossett 	I watched the presentation on Google's product from SLCC
[13:05]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	mesh dev has around the same amount
[13:06]	Gfresh Botha 	Hallo Reed
[13:06]	Gfresh Botha 	and others
[13:06]	Lisa Fossett 	Hi, G :))
[13:06]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	hi there
[13:06]	Lisa Fossett 	One day I'll tackle mesh...or start
[13:06]	Gfresh Botha 	sorry to interrupt, but do you guys know what happened to CG Linden?
[13:06]	Jeremy Linden 	Ah. The mesh team actually tells me that SketchUp isn't very efficient for creating meshes. Apparently it creates a bunch of different mesh objects due to the way you build in it.
[13:07]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	yeah
[13:07]	Jeremy Linden 	A different mesh for each surface, as it were.
[13:07]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	don't use sketchup
[13:07]	Lisa Fossett 	Thanks for the heads up on that, Jeremy
[13:07]	Lisa Fossett 	and Reed
[13:07]	Lisa Fossett 	oh, that could be very complex and as a result very confusing
[13:07]	Jeremy Linden 	Officially, I can recommend Wings 3D to start, and Blender if you're feeling complicated :-)
[13:07]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	my advice: blender, jump in head first
[13:08]	Lisa Fossett 	nods
[13:08]	Rand Linden 	CG is no longer with Linden Lab
[13:08]	Gfresh Botha 	Thanks, I've been trying to find out for the last couple of weeks
[13:08]	Gfresh Botha 	he was a bit old so, you know
[13:08]	Gfresh Botha 	just checking the worst hadn't happened
[13:09]	Second Life 	Entering god mode, level 200
[13:09]	Gfresh Botha 	hey rand, I used to wear that skin, then I found a better "chrome" looking one, if you want the LM for it
[13:09]	Gfresh Botha 	this skin
[13:09]	Gfresh Botha 	I'm not dissing yours btw
[13:09]	Gfresh Botha 	lol
[13:10]	Rand Linden 	Thx Gfresh... no worries
[13:10]	Jeremy Linden 	Heh! Rand, you've been recognized as the Silver... Gunslinger :-P
[13:10]	Rand Linden 	I think it's ok for me....
[13:10]	Rand Linden 	ha ha
[13:10]	Rand Linden 	So, we don' thave much on the agenda today
[13:10]	Gfresh Botha 	this one has a slight tinge of blue though
[13:10]	Rand Linden 	lexie should be back for the next meeting
[13:10]	Lisa Fossett 	Good
[13:10]	Lisa Fossett 	I have nothing today; just been away a while myself and came to catch up a bit
[13:11]	Rand Linden 	Jeremy created http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Profiles/ta-p/1101055
[13:11]	Rand Linden 	which documents some of the new(ish) profiles features
[13:12]	Gfresh Botha 	whispers: can I ask a question about mesh?
[13:12]	Rand Linden 	...well since we don't seem to have much else on the agenda, i dont see why not...
[13:12]	Gfresh Botha 	okay..
[13:13]	Gfresh Botha 	is there any tips on reducing the uploading cost? I'm REALLY new to mesh
[13:13]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	use less verts
[13:13]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	and a VERY simple physics shape (like a cube)
[13:14]	Jeremy Linden 	There are a few in the docs I've written. Lemme grab the article on uploading a model.
[13:14]	Gfresh Botha 	which is best, cube or sphere? Because in sculpts I always start with a sphere
[13:14]	Gfresh Botha 	okay
[13:14]	Jeremy Linden 	But basically, it's got a base cost of L$10 plus L$10 for each inlcuded texture, and an additional amount based on its streaming, server, and physics weights.
[13:15]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	yoohoo
[13:15]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	good idea is to upload on beta grid first
[13:15]	Lisa Fossett 	hey, AA
[13:15]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	that way you only really pay for it once
[13:15]	Jeremy Linden 	http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Uploading-a-mesh-model/ta-p/974185
[13:15]	Jeremy Linden 	Also: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Calculating-prim-equivalent-weight/ta-p/974163
[13:15]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	Adamburp Adamczyk looks around "jeremy rand dod you guys use deodorant today?"
[13:15]	Gfresh Botha 	Hi
[13:15]	Rand Linden 	Adamburp - lol
[13:15]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	http://metarealitypodcast.com/a-chat-with-charlar
[13:15]	Jeremy Linden 	However, please note that the term "prim equivalence" is changing to "land impact". I've made the changes to those docs but not published them yet, since the terms haven't gone into the main viewer yet.
[13:15]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	we did a podcast with charlar
[13:16]	Gfresh Botha 	I used it to season my meat
[13:16]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	he explained it pretty well
[13:16]	Lisa Fossett 	Lisa Fossett suspects it's me. I'm a bit...hungry...
[13:16]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	land impact
[13:16]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	lol
[13:16]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	smeg, brb
[13:16]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	yes
[13:16]	Jeremy Linden 	And yes, it's a good idea to test on the beta grid before uploading on the main grid.
[13:16]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	everyone hates "prim equivelent"
[13:16]	Gfresh Botha 	heh
[13:17]	Jeremy Linden 	As an added bonus, your upload window *should* keep your settings when uploading a second time, regardless of grid.
[13:17]	Jeremy Linden 	(but make sure to double-check!)
[13:17]	Lisa Fossett 	hmmm...pleasant to know
[13:17]	Gfresh Botha 	Are you guys familiar with Claudia's work?
[13:18]	Gfresh Botha 	Claudia222
[13:18]	Lisa Fossett 	not I...
[13:18]	Gfresh Botha 	I should slap you all
[13:18]	Gfresh Botha 	but
[13:18]	Gfresh Botha 	I won't
[13:19]	Gfresh Botha 	There's only one way to experience it really and that's to go see her last sculpted work before it's gone. She's about to take over mesh.
[13:19]	Gfresh Botha 	And I mean take over
[13:20]	Gfresh Botha 	I know you don't know me but take my word for it, it's the standard to which all of SL should be created. Her last piece is currently at Hobo's
[13:21]	Jeremy Linden 	What sort of work does she do? Art?
[13:21]	Gfresh Botha 	The bes
[13:21]	Gfresh Botha 	t
[13:21]	Gfresh Botha 	immersive art
[13:21]	Gfresh Botha 	worlds
[13:21]	Jeremy Linden 	I may take a look after this meeting. It's always really cool to see what people do when we give them new features.
[13:21]	Gfresh Botha 	she's one lots of awards
[13:23]	Gfresh Botha 	gah
[13:23]	Gfresh Botha 	won*
[13:23]	Jeremy Linden 	'sok I think we understood :-)
[13:23]	Gfresh Botha 	heh
[13:24]	Gfresh Botha 	brb
[13:24]	Rand Linden 	Gfresh, got a SLurl?
[13:24]	Lisa Fossett 	was gonna ask the same...
[13:24]	Rand Linden 	Perhaps you should submit it for the Destination guide
[13:24]	Lisa Fossett 	Change of subject...since he poofed..
[13:24]	Rand Linden 	doh!
[13:24]	Lisa Fossett 	have Recommendations been disabled?
[13:24]	Lisa Fossett 	(and I not hear about it)
[13:24]	Rand Linden 	Recommendations?
[13:25]	Time Minder 	You have been online for 3 hours.
[13:25]	Lisa Fossett 	Recommendations for friends in your profile...my.secondlife.com
[13:25]	Rand Linden 	ah...
[13:25]	Lisa Fossett 	I filed a JIRA bitching about a function of them...and that's been posted fixed
[13:26]	Lisa Fossett 	but I can't get any recs back on my profile to test it
[13:26]	Rand Linden 	hm, not sure... will have to look into it
[13:26]	Lisa Fossett 	and believe me, I've added LOTS of interests while trying
[13:26]	Jeremy Linden 	I haven't heard anything about them being broken, but I haven't filled out any interested in my profile, either. I've been assuming that's why I had none!
[13:26]	Jeremy Linden 	er, interests.
[13:27]	Lisa Fossett 	I don't like the recs anyway, but it's now an issue that I can't test the JIRA, lol
[13:27]	Lisa Fossett 	and a puzzle since at first I got LOTS and now I have none
[13:27]	Rand Linden 	Lisa, what's the jira?
[13:28]	Lisa Fossett 	I'll have to dig in my mail
[13:28]	Lisa Fossett 	it's "can't dismiss recommendations...."
[13:28]	Lisa Fossett 	one moment and I'll get it
[13:28]	Rand Linden 	I don't seem to have any on my profile either, and I *do* have a number of "interests"
[13:29]	Lisa Fossett 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-3982?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Aall-tabpanel
[13:30]	Rand Linden 	I am told that recommendations are still enabled
[13:30]	Jeremy Linden 	Heh. According to profiles, only 5 people are interested in "scotch"
[13:30]	Lisa Fossett 	OK...well...they seem to not be working.
[13:30]	Lisa Fossett 	laughs
[13:30]	Lisa Fossett 	not that it bothers me
[13:30]	Lisa Fossett 	personally
[13:30]	Rand Linden 	Lisa, if youcan confirm that, please file a jira
[13:30]	Lisa Fossett 	I will
[13:30]	Lisa Fossett 	lol
[13:30]	Rand Linden 	ty!
[13:30]	Lisa Fossett 	it's been low on my priorites
[13:31]	Lisa Fossett 	but I added things like vampire
[13:31]	Lisa Fossett 	and sex
[13:31]	Lisa Fossett 	and gosh knows
[13:31]	Lisa Fossett 	and got NO recs
[13:32]	Rand Linden 	i am told "they are only calculated every other day though, so if they "run out" they have to wait a day or two before they get new ones"
[13:32]	Lisa Fossett 	KK
[13:32]	Lisa Fossett 	I left them for several days
[13:32]	Lisa Fossett 	and the RHN ones have been there forever...and photography
[13:33]	Lisa Fossett 	At first I got tons of matches with thos
[13:33]	Rand Linden 	well its entirely possible something is borked
[13:33]	Lisa Fossett 	Lisa Fossett giggles
[13:34]	Lisa Fossett 	I'd rather your programmers spent time on other things
[13:34]	Rand Linden 	ha
[13:34]	Jeremy Linden 	Disregard that... Second Life is always bug-and-drama free. >.>
[13:34]	Lisa Fossett 	of course...pass the Kool-Aid
[13:35]	Jeremy Linden 	Nah, Rand's profile says he prefers Scotch!
[13:35]	Rand Linden 	the thing is, there are engineers who ONLY work on the profiles, and have nothing to do with, e.g., lag or Viewer crashes...so it's not like an EITHER-OR thing....
[13:35]	Lisa Fossett 	nods
[13:35]	Lisa Fossett 	I'll send em something to make them feel wanted
[13:35]	Rand Linden 	anyway, i just added a bunch of interests that should have lots of associated reccos, but got nada...
[13:35]	Rand Linden 	th lisa
[13:36]	Jeremy Linden 	Mesh fruit basket? That would actually be pretty awesome.
[13:37]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	didn't hey already do that with sculpties?
[13:37]	Jeremy Linden 	Well, there was sculpty fruit. But with mesh you can intentionally make it "land impact" efficient.
[13:39]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	ya
[13:39]	Lisa Fossett 	Lisa Fossett offers a plate of danish
[13:39]	Lisa Fossett 	and some coffee
[13:40]	Lisa Fossett 	we're dragging
[13:40]	Rand Linden 	yeah, ok well it looks like we've run out of steam today...
[13:40]	Lisa Fossett 	no worries :)
[13:40]	Rand Linden 	shall we call it? Sorry we didn't have much to share this time... s/be better next time!
[13:41]	Lisa Fossett 	hey...less work for my brain.
[13:41]	Jeremy Linden 	In other news: Hey, I didn't know my boat was here!
[13:41]	Rand Linden 	Thanks you all!
[13:41]	Reed (reed.steamroller)	see you all later
[13:41]	Lisa Fossett 	have a good afternoon...and weekend :)
[13:41]	Rand Linden 	you too!
[13:41]	Rand Linden 	bye
[13:41]	Lisa Fossett 	bye!
[13:42]	Jeremy Linden 	aaand cut for chat transcript!
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