Bug triage/2008-11-05/Transcript

* [15:00] Bridie Linden: waves
* [15:00] Cummere Mayo: bridie , bambers
* [15:01] Bambers Linden: hi Cummere
* [15:01] Bridie Linden: Hullo all, Lindens!
* [15:01] Khyota Wulluf: VWR-8194 got me when i sat in the chair
* [15:01] Cummere Mayo: ok.... i did add one jira to the agenda today and i have screened the genda as of ten min ago to make sure no protest stuff made it in
* [15:02] Squirrel Wood: Is that evil pumpkin bug fixed yet? :p
* [15:02] Bridie Linden: Thx Cummere
* [15:02] Bridie Linden: I think Alexa resolved it Squirrel
* [15:02] Alexa Linden: not hear apparently
* [15:02] Bug Tester: has your pumpkin bug right here
* [15:02] Bridie Linden: Nasty one!
* [15:02] Cummere Mayo: i was too busy to look for dupes though
* [15:02] Khyota Wulluf: can i add a voice bug to the ajenda?
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: Sure Khyota
* [15:03] Alexa Linden: hey :(
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: er, Ask Alexa?
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: grins
* [15:03] Alexa Linden: oh yes
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: Hullo Bug Tester!
* [15:03] Alexa Linden: my hey was addressed at Squirrel :p
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: ah
* [15:03] Squirrel Wood: Staaaar trekkin' across the universe...
* [15:04] Squirrel Wood: ^^
* [15:04] Alexa Linden: hahaha
* [15:04] Bambers Linden: on the starship enterprise, under captain KIIIIRK!
* [15:04] Alexa Linden: trekkies!
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: Khyota, can we discuss @ the end - and remind me 10 mins before we finish?
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:04] Khyota Wulluf: oh sure
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: Thx
* [15:04] Bambers Linden: just watched Top of the Pops as a child...
* [15:04] Squirrel Wood: Which seat now? :p
* [15:04] Bug Tester: welcomes Emma Roy
* [15:04] Cummere Mayo: squirrel : my lap! :P
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: First up...
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: VWR-9650[c
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9650
* [15:05] Khyota Wulluf: puts on "emergency pants"
* [15:05] Cummere Mayo: probably related to one dan's been working on with the textures not loading right
* [15:05] Bambers Linden: have Dan take a look - it ties into work he's been doing
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:06] Alexa Linden: ok
* [15:06] Bambers Linden: lol - jinx
* [15:06] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
* [15:06] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
* [15:06] Bambers Linden: well, ok Cummere
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: GMTA
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: NExt up
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: VWR-9974[c
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9974
* [15:06] Alexa Linden: When you take a pic, try checking the box Constrain Proportions. This will normally get rid of the lines. This problem only seems to happen when people are taking really large formats and setting both the width and height to custom numbers.
* [15:06] Alexa Linden: that's what I've posted on others like this
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: So is this a dupe?
* [15:07] Alexa Linden: I tested and it gets rid of the lines
* [15:07] Alexa Linden: ya
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: Resolve as such and add your comment?
* [15:07] Alexa Linden: k
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: Interesting effect if it were intended...
* [15:07] Zen Linden: hehe
* [15:07] Khyota Wulluf: thx! bug
* [15:07] Alexa Linden: ya, it can look kind of artsy
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: NExt up
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: VWR-10029[c
* [15:08] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10029
* [15:09] Squirrel Wood: I would assume there is additional code in place to avoid the dreaded inventory loss ?
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: Cummere, is this the one you had videos for?
* [15:09] Cummere Mayo: inventory no. textures one dans workign on was the one i did vids on
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: ah, rightt
* [15:10] Cummere Mayo: btw where is dan?
* [15:10] Bridie Linden: Not sure...
* [15:10] Alexa Linden: ?
* [15:10] Bambers Linden: me neither...
* [15:10] Bambers Linden: when dan's around and it's quiet.... something's usually afoot
* [15:10] Bridie Linden: Have others noticed slow inventory loads w/1.21?
* [15:11] Alexa Linden: no
* [15:11] Zen Linden: i have not
* [15:11] Bambers Linden: not especially, but then I don't have anywhere near 16k items
* [15:11] Emma Roy: would it depend on the size of the inventory?
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: me either
* [15:11] Alexa Linden: what's slow if picking textures :p
* [15:11] Zen Linden: very true
* [15:11] Khyota Wulluf: dont have 16k to test
* [15:11] Alexa Linden: hahahaha
* [15:11] Emma Roy: I has 5k >.>
* [15:11] Bambers Linden: does anyone have 15k plus?
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: looks @ Squirrel
* [15:11] Alexa Linden: me :D
* [15:11] Alexa Linden: on my resident
* [15:11] Bambers Linden: looks at bridie looking at squirrel
* [15:11] Ellla McMahon: yes I do .. 18k+
* [15:11] Bug Tester: is certain that alexa does
* [15:11] Alexa Linden: shhh you!
* [15:12] Aimee Trescothick: mm, me too
* [15:12] Sue Saintlouis: hello everyone!
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: Ellla? have u noticed this?
* [15:12] Bambers Linden: hi Sue
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: hullo Sue
* [15:12] Alexa Linden: Hi Sue :)
* [15:12] Cummere Mayo: i have um allot whatcha need?
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: A comparison of 1.20 and 1.21 inventory loading
* [15:12] Alexa Linden: Hey Aminom!
* [15:12] Cummere Mayo: slower on 1.21
* [15:12] Bambers Linden: how long does it take to fetch all your inventory items after logging in
* [15:12] Cummere Mayo: noticably but for me not cripplingly
* [15:12] Ellla McMahon: when I clear cache maybe .. but nothing specific and not in general use
* [15:12] Bambers Linden: bridie said it better
* [15:12] Squirrel Wood: immediate if its cached
* [15:13] Alexa Linden: It's pretty much instant for me
* [15:13] Squirrel Wood: but it takes a couple minutes after clearing the cache
* [15:13] Cummere Mayo: 3-4 min at worst if services arent flatlined
* [15:13] Alexa Linden: ditto on both
* [15:13] Bridie Linden: I would expect that
* [15:13] Squirrel Wood: and I have about 12k and a half
* [15:13] Squirrel Wood: items
* [15:13] Sue Saintlouis: wow! it takes mine a lot longer...if it loads completely
* [15:13] Bridie Linden: Well, let's see if we can gather more data?
* [15:13] Alexa Linden: pfft child's play :p
* [15:14] Cummere Mayo: its much faster on cumemr ethen on erinyse. but then i have onbly 2/3 as much on cummere
* [15:14] Alexa Linden: we can get counts of inventory and load times?
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: And system, viewer and network info?
* [15:14] Alexa Linden: k
* [15:14] Squirrel Wood: I would also assume the sim load plays a big role ?
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: and your favorite color
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: j/k
* [15:14] Cummere Mayo: roughly 16.2k on cummere and 33k give or take on erin i think
* [15:14] Sue Saintlouis: lol
* [15:14] Joeseph Albanese: want first born as well?
* [15:14] Alexa Linden: yes please
* [15:14] Bambers Linden: as collateral?
* [15:14] Alexa Linden: girls only
* [15:14] Joeseph Albanese: all yours
* [15:14] Bambers Linden: or just name?
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: :)
* [15:15] Emma Roy: Name and social security number?
* [15:15] Alexa Linden: no no no
* [15:15] Emma Roy: haha
* [15:15] Emma Roy: =D
* [15:15] Bambers Linden: login and UUID
* [15:15] Bug Tester: just needs your agent_id
* [15:15] Bambers Linden: lol
* [15:15] Alexa Linden: I'll get more info on this last one
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: My favorite color is blue
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: and oragne
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: orange even
* [15:15] Bambers Linden: oragne?
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: and with that...
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: next...
* [15:15] Joeseph Albanese: rofl
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: VWR-5710[c
* [15:15] Bambers Linden: I'd have thought it was glod
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5710
* [15:16] Alexa Linden: Hello everyone
* [15:16] Poet String: Hello!
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: (that was french spelling, bambers)
* [15:16] Alexa Linden: Welcome to our Bug Triage
* [15:16] Kellan McKenna: hi!
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:16] Earlinde Sirnah: bonsoir
* [15:16] Squirrel Wood: OMy. I see steam clouds that refuse to load again...
* [15:16] Earlinde Sirnah: hello
* [15:16] Alexa Linden: We are only covering issues listed on the agenda
* [15:16] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
* [15:16] Earlinde Sirnah: y'a t'il des francophones?
* [15:16] Alexa Linden: no, I'm sorry
* [15:16] Bambers Linden: tw00
* [15:17] Earlinde Sirnah: non, comme d'hb :-(
* [15:17] Alexa Linden: these are done in english
* [15:17] Bambers Linden: we should stick to english for now
* [15:17] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5710
* [15:17] Bug Tester: sighs
* [15:17] Bug Tester: tells you all to read the blog
* [15:17] Earlinde Sirnah: pfff, c'est bon, on nous prend pour des cons, a ne sert rien de poster
* [15:17] Squirrel Wood: Hint: Protesters, you are in the wrong place, at the wrong time and try to complain to the wrong Lindens.
* [15:17] Poet String: ok! Sorry about that
* [15:18] Alexa Linden: thank you :)
* [15:18] Bridie Linden: Thx
* [15:18] Poet String: I'll listen in anyway!
* [15:18] Bridie Linden: Now onto 5710...
* [15:18] Bambers Linden: :)
* [15:18] Alexa Linden: please feel welcome to Poet :)
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: reads 5710
* [15:19] Bambers Linden: read 5710 and isn't sure what should be done with it yet
* [15:20] Cummere Mayo: can you repost the link again please?
* [15:20] Khyota Wulluf: turns character rendering off
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: Yup https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5710
* [15:20] Cummere Mayo: ty
* [15:20] Timos Albatros: from looking at that.. it looks like it has a simple workaround to me.. I may be wrong, but if it does.. seems other things should have a higher priority..
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: What's the ask for here?
* [15:20] Gellan Glenelg: it repros... but I'm not sure if it's expected behaviour.. comments seem to indicate that it wasn't always the case
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: What was your repro Gellan?
* [15:21] Gellan Glenelg: I tried to drag no transfer and no copy things into a box attched to hand
* [15:21] Squirrel Wood: That bug can be a bit annoying at times. but aren't worn "attachments" a special case ?
* [15:22] Gellan Glenelg: and got the "no entry" sign
* [15:22] Joeseph Albanese: Its been like that for 13 months at least.
* [15:22] Bridie Linden: I see
* [15:22] Timos Albatros: checking something..
* [15:22] Bridie Linden: hmms
* [15:22] Bambers Linden: can you update AOs by rezzing objects in sandboxes?
* [15:22] Joeseph Albanese: yes
* [15:22] Bridie Linden: we can ask around and find outt when/why this changed....
* [15:22] Bug Tester: points the protestors to : 
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: Thx Bug
* [15:23] Bambers Linden: cheers bug :)
* [15:23] Kerry Giha: I thought this was normal behavior and you had to rez attachments to put stuff in.
* [15:23] Khyota Wulluf: :D
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: continues w/triage...
* [15:23] Gellan Glenelg: me too kerry
* [15:23] Earlinde Sirnah: Ah fuck
* [15:23] Bambers Linden: (you don't hear that very often in triage)
* [15:23] Squirrel Wood: if you fully rez the item inworld you can put such tobjects in no probs.
* [15:23] MarcoDarius Kline: My purchase price was lost and lnd dumped because of there stupid rises
* [15:23] Chaley May: thats what everyone is protesting about.. that blog post
* [15:24] Bug Tester: thinks that blog post was the answer to all your protests in the first place
* [15:24] Squirrel Wood: then protest at the right place and at the right time.
* [15:24] xMarcoDarius: : 
* [15:24] MarcoDarius Kline: who refunds this lindens?
* [15:24] Ellen Dressler: Chaley we are in a RL Recession and Now SL is putting us there ?
* [15:24] Lovelee Lynch: @Bug... better stop protesting then - before it gets worse??
* [15:24] xMarcoDarius: : 
* [15:24] Ellen Dressler: dont know why im here got a tp AND HERE I BE
* [15:24] Emma Roy: If we could stay on topic please.
* [15:24] Bridie Linden: This is a Bug Triage
* [15:24] Ellen Dressler: Hi ALL!
* [15:24] Chaley May: its not for me to talk about im here being quiet.. was just responding
* [15:25] Ellen Dressler: bug Triage??
* [15:25] tasmin Devin: hi everyone
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: We have an agenda we're following
* [15:25] Khyota Wulluf: may we continue?
* [15:25] Ellen Dressler: As in Bug fixes??
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: Please see the blog for comments on Open Space issues
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: Our agenda
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:25] Sue Saintlouis: we did see the blog
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: So back to 5710...
* [15:26] Squirrel Wood: Anyway... when you wear an attachment its not like a copy is rezzed inworld but rather the object in your inventory is "worn"... at least it looks to me that way
* [15:26] Cummere Mayo: shouts: SOS MEMBERS stop disrupting please? This is an OFFICER askign you to please clamly observe the meeting and hold comments to the end!
* [15:26] Ellen Dressler: Whats the Agenda mr Linden?
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: is there a request here or is the work around ok?
* [15:26] Ellen Dressler: < confused why im here
* [15:26] Squirrel Wood: 
* [15:26] Gellan Glenelg: I think someone should try to find out if it was changed deliberately...is it expected behaviour or not?
* [15:26] Kerry Giha: Lemme ask, Is there some reason why no-trans and no-mod objects shouldn't be able to be copied into attachmets.
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: Squirrel, would u comment on 5710?
* [15:26] Aminom Marvin: Yes, that is an idea. Let's hold off until the end for comments. Our presence is enough to make a point.
* [15:26] Squirrel Wood: I'll comment my thoughts
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: I'll ask internally as to why
* [15:27] Garn Conover: holy crap
* [15:27] Garn Conover: just a few ppl?
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: Hiya Garn
* [15:27] Garn Conover: heya hun *nuzzles*
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: Next issue...
* [15:28] Bridie Linden: # VWR-9325[c
* [15:28] Emma Roy: Okay, on note to 5710, you can't send items into objects you are wearing if they are not full perm, however if you rez the object on the ground in a build sim, you can drag items in/out of them
* [15:28] Bambers Linden: yeah - it looks like it might be a not-too-well-noticed feature from a year ago
* [15:28] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9325
* [15:28] Bridie Linden: Can u add that comment Emma, thx
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: Anyone try the repro in 9325?
* [15:29] Joeseph Albanese: me
* [15:29] Joeseph Albanese: lol
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: grins
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: and reads!
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: Thx Joeseph
* [15:29] Bambers Linden: I did not repro
* [15:29] Joeseph Albanese: Its annoying really
* [15:29] Kerry Giha: Yup it does that
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: Really Bambers?
* [15:30] Alexa Linden: I've had this before too
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: Which OS?
* [15:30] Emma Roy: (@Bridie Done)
* [15:30] Bambers Linden: XP
* [15:30] Kerry Giha: Actually as soon as you open a notecard you made the desc steals focus
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: Bambers did u try to repro?
* [15:30] Timos Albatros: seems to me that neither the contents of the notecard or the description field have focus after I minimize and return it.
* [15:30] Bambers Linden: I followed the repro to the letter
* [15:30] Garn Conover: its Bambers he prbly scaring it to work right
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: rimshot?
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: 'to the letter'
* [15:31] Alexa Linden: lol
* [15:31] Bambers Linden: ooooh
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: joeseph, OS?
* [15:31] Joeseph Albanese: XP
* [15:31] Zen Linden: it doesn't focus on maximize, which, it probably should. Might be worth asking someone in RX
* [15:31] Joeseph Albanese: things babers if fibbin :-P
* [15:31] Khyota Wulluf: hmm
* [15:31] Zen Linden: (that repros for me)
* [15:31] Alexa Linden: I can ask them
* [15:31] Squirrel Wood: opening a notecard immediately gives focus to the desctiption instead of the text
* [15:31] Joeseph Albanese: bambaer even
* [15:31] Alexa Linden: Rx
* [15:31] Bambers Linden: let me try again
* [15:31] Joeseph Albanese: god! Bambers sorry
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: LEt's import and ask Rx
* [15:31] Alexa Linden: I'll import and send it that way
* [15:31] Alexa Linden: jinx
* [15:31] Cummere Mayo: repos for me too
* [15:31] Ellen Dressler: Excuse me when are you making a veiwer for folks who are not on updated brand new Computers?
* [15:31] Aimee Trescothick: can't load any notecards to try it :S
* [15:31] Squirrel Wood: definitely repros for me
* [15:32] Bridie Linden: Great, thx all
* [15:32] Garn Conover: oh u mean how the descritp is highlighted?
* [15:32] Timos Albatros: I made a new notecard.. typed in 'some text' - minimized it, and double clicked the little minimized 'notecard' in the corner.. neither the body of the notecard or the description have focus.. neither is highlighted..
* [15:32] Bambers Linden: repros
* [15:32] Squirrel Wood: Ellen, you have the option to reduce the graphics settings in preferences
* [15:32] Khyota Wulluf: Ellen Dressler: 
* [15:32] Bambers Linden: should probably be beaten with a (very very small) stick
* [15:32] Ellen Dressler: TY :)
* [15:32] Bridie Linden: laughs
* [15:33] Gellan Glenelg: import RX?
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: (@ Bambers)
* [15:33] Alexa Linden: yup
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: Yes, to Gellan!
* [15:33] Squirrel Wood: Timos, are you on the 1.21.6 client ?
* [15:33] Ellen Dressler: lol
* [15:33] Bambers Linden: for the record
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: Ellen, Torley has some good videos / blog posts too
* [15:33] Timos Albatros: ok.. but if I save the notecard.. then minimize and return it.. the description has focus.
* [15:33] Bambers Linden: following the repro to the record DOES NOT REPRO
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: O.o
* [15:33] Khyota Wulluf: im on 1.21.5 :(
* [15:33] Bambers Linden: exactly what I was noticing first time, Timos!
* [15:33] Bambers Linden: thank you, and well spotted :)
* [15:34] Garn Conover: Khyota get off RC lol
* [15:34] Timos Albatros: I'm using 1.21.5, linux, squirrel
* [15:34] Ellen Dressler: my friends Might be able to use this one thanks all :)
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: yw Ellen
* [15:34] Khyota Wulluf: openal branch
* [15:34] Gellan Glenelg: wonders why anyone is still on 1.21.5
* [15:34] Garn Conover: i know hehe
* [15:34] Timos Albatros: because I haven't bothered to update yet =p
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: Update repro Bambers?
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: Next up...
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: VWR-9382[c
* [15:34] Bambers Linden: add a repro step too - "Create a new notecard and type in some text. Click Save."
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9382
* [15:35] Emma Roy: I think thats just slow internet connection...
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: Ty Bambers!
* [15:35] Khyota Wulluf: nah, i got 7Mb/s
* [15:35] Bambers Linden: I'll update
* [15:35] Gellan Glenelg: well, I know Bri's connection i NOT slow
* [15:35] Alexa Linden: I see this even without clearing cache.. the general lag between gesture and sound?
* [15:35] Alexa Linden: Hooo!
* [15:35] Timos Albatros: my sounds tend to take a while to update, but I was assuming that was network congestion somewhere between my home lan and the server.
* [15:36] Aimee Trescothick: waits for the noise as everyone tries reproing ...
* [15:36] Bridie Linden: wonders if this is a dupe...
* [15:36] Squirrel Wood: yep. can't even play a gesture properly here that has more than one sound playing...
* [15:36] Khyota Wulluf: ****Howlllzzzzzzzz****
* [15:36] Alexa Linden: that was matched
* [15:36] Garn Conover: course it works fine Alexa lol
* [15:36] Alexa Linden: but some don't
* [15:36] Garn Conover: here i got one that always fails
* [15:36] Bridie Linden: goes digging into JIRA
* [15:36] Bridie Linden: one sec pls
* [15:36] Garn Conover: Our Lindens, who art in the Labs,
* [15:36] Garn Conover: Hallowed be thy prims.
* [15:36] Garn Conover: Thy Grid-dom come, thy will be done,
* [15:36] Garn Conover: On sims, as it is in The Preview.
* [15:36] Garn Conover: Give us this day our daily crash,
* [15:36] Garn Conover: And forgive us our Spammery.
* [15:36] Garn Conover: As we forgive those, who greif against us
* [15:36] Gellan Glenelg: just started
* [15:36] Garn Conover: And lead us not, into private parcels.
* [15:36] Garn Conover: Amen.
* [15:36] Garn Conover: this one always fails
* [15:37] Ellen Dressler: LOL
* [15:37] Bambers Linden: :)
* [15:37] Khyota Wulluf: hehe
* [15:37] Garn Conover: uhoh
* [15:37] Squirrel Wood: that one usually fails for me
* [15:37] Garn Conover: lol Squirrel!
* [15:37] Khyota Wulluf: 3 sounds
* [15:37] Timos Albatros: I usually keep sounds turned down or off anyway
* [15:37] Garn Conover: i love that one
* [15:38] Kerry Giha: I seem to have heard that just fine.
* [15:38] Garn Conover: :D
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: so, dupe of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-291 ?
* [15:38] Bambers Linden: rezzes some aspirin
* [15:38] Khyota Wulluf: the 1st 2 plays overlaped
* [15:38] Alexa Linden: ya
* [15:38] Bambers Linden: blue please - I need advil
* [15:38] Bambers Linden: ty
* [15:38] Alexa Linden: does general lag have more to do with this?
* [15:38] Timos Albatros: same could be said for dance animations.. they take forever to load at times too
* [15:39] Alexa Linden: yes
* [15:39] Lovelee Lynch: 
* [15:39] Aimee Trescothick: LOL @Bambers
* [15:39] Timos Albatros: I think so, alex
* [15:39] Squirrel Wood: blue pills?
* [15:39] Alexa Linden: exaclty timos
* [15:39] Kerry Giha: I think VWR-291 is a different issue
* [15:39] Gellan Glenelg: certainly related to VWR-291, if not dupe
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: Let's just link for now and make note in LLJIRA for 291
* [15:40] Khyota Wulluf: originaly i marked this as linux only, but squrriel reprod it on windows so i changed it
* [15:40] Garn Conover: im so temped to do kickloop dance
* [15:40] Timos Albatros: I wonder.. I don't know the details of the ongoing changes.. but will converting to HTML traffic alleviate some of this?
* [15:41] Timos Albatros: er.. http?
* [15:41] Aimee Trescothick: that would be just TOO weird in that av Garn lol
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: Next...
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: VWR-10250[c
* [15:41] Garn Conover: Aimme i have a purple Werepoodle as well
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10250
* [15:41] Garn Conover: /ao off
* [15:41] Aimee Trescothick: lol
* [15:41] Garn Conover: a german drunk song
* [15:42] Garn Conover: looks innocent
* [15:42] Bridie Linden: oh boy
* [15:42] Squirrel Wood: I have seen the pie menu and even estate tools fail to load/acknowledge the EM/Owner status in extremely busy places or griefed sims
* [15:42] Bridie Linden: Garn?!
* [15:42] Joeseph Albanese: theres one for that Squirrel...looking for it
* [15:42] Squirrel Wood: opblaas krokodil ^^
* [15:42] Khyota Wulluf: OMD nice av garn!
* [15:42] Gellan Glenelg: additional comment from Bri on last issue: Bri Gufler: I dont have the problem any more since switching the cache to the other drive.
* [15:42] Alexa Linden: garn O.o
* [15:43] Alexa Linden: iz gonna poke you inna eye!
* [15:43] Garn Conover: its too long i know
* [15:43] Bridie Linden: just a bit
* [15:43] Joeseph Albanese: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2519
* [15:43] Joeseph Albanese: relates maybe
* [15:43] Aimee Trescothick: "why did everyone get ejected from triage?" "We were just testing for a repro of VWR-10250"
* [15:43] Garn Conover: there needs to be a way to cancel active guestures
* [15:43] Alexa Linden: you really are ebol Garn
* [15:43] Alexa Linden: no bone for you!
* [15:43] Garn Conover: here's the end of it
* [15:44] Garn Conover: /ao on
* [15:44] Khyota Wulluf: lets test it on him!
* [15:44] Bambers Linden: reads
* [15:44] Bridie Linden: squints @ Garn
* [15:44] Bug Tester: switches to an avatar with no ears
* [15:44] Zen Linden: puts headphones on again
* [15:44] Bridie Linden: Let's link those issues up...
* [15:44] Garn Conover: sowwiez hehe
* [15:45] Noctorne Nagy: I have seen that same bug with profiles via the pie menu as well. Only since the new client.. you click profile and noting.. 3 or 4 trys sometimes. Mostly in lagged areas.
* [15:45] Garn Conover: ok ive seen this bug sometimes but a lot of it is ghosting i find
* [15:45] Timos Albatros: I wonder.. I've never had to eject anyone from my land.. I have been ejected once however (was a joke by a friend =p) and all that happened was.. if I tried to do anything, I just got a popup saying "you have been ejected, etc.." or something of the sort.. all I could do was tp away from the parcel.... does that sound right? Reason I ask is.. if somebody's already in that state.. do the dialogues grey out then?
* [15:45] Joeseph Albanese: Noc there is an issue for that as well
* [15:46] Noctorne Nagy: I am saying I think they are related.
* [15:46] Joeseph Albanese: But I think it was marked as fix pending
* [15:46] Bridie Linden: Sounds worth investigating...
* [15:46] lonetorus Habilis: joes, got a url handy, that one is very anyoing, only works reliabley if you right click pie menu on a atatchment, then you get the im winddow or profile reliably
* [15:47] Joeseph Albanese: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9065
* [15:47] Noctorne Nagy: thats the one
* [15:47] Bridie Linden: looks
* [15:47] Garn Conover: Bridie might make a note for Soft
* [15:48] Cummere Mayo: I can repo that one... in fact its repoing right now
* [15:48] Bridie Linden: 9065 was reopened...
* [15:48] Garn Conover: Soft was looking @ the jira i made about eject and ban thats on the beta server code right now
* [15:48] Joeseph Albanese: It's been bad for me the past few days
* [15:48] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
* [15:48] Bambers Linden: how far away was your target?
* [15:48] Bridie Linden: Thx Garn
* [15:48] Joeseph Albanese: I never see an effect Bambers
* [15:48] Joeseph Albanese: I can be 2m away and it does it
* [15:49] Bridie Linden: We should re-open (or at least re-test) internal version of 9065..
* [15:49] Cummere Mayo: please do
* [15:49] Bambers Linden: I never see this repro
* [15:49] Noctorne Nagy: Yes distance does not seem to effect it. It is almost like some sort of throttling of events sent via the pie menu is happpening.
* [15:50] Garn Conover: hey Bridie - if u think they could be linked
* [15:50] lonetorus Habilis: though you always get the profile if the right click happened on a attachment
* [15:50] Bridie Linden: Looks like we have several that should be linked up!
* [15:50] Bambers Linden: thinks bridie's right
* [15:50] Garn Conover: Metta issue!
* [15:50] Bridie Linden: I'll take care of that after the meeting
* [15:51] Bridie Linden: Khyota what was your issue u wanted to discuss?
* [15:51] Bridie Linden: (down to last 10 mins)
* [15:51] Garn Conover: i wish there was a way to test 4195 but i dont know how to lol
* [15:51] Khyota Wulluf: well VWR-6546 war one of them
* [15:51] Khyota Wulluf: (next)
* [15:52] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6546
* [15:52] Khyota Wulluf: can anyone here flycam?
* [15:53] Garn Conover: yea b
* [15:53] Aimee Trescothick: yup
* [15:53] Garn Conover: but i cant understand the issue lol
* [15:53] Alexa Linden: I'm still laughing at the reporter's name
* [15:53] Alexa Linden: lol
* [15:53] Aimee Trescothick: that's basically the same root cause as VWR-4223
* [15:53] Chaley May: i am flycaming
* [15:53] Garn Conover: >.<
* [15:53] Alexa Linden: hahahaha
* [15:53] Khyota Wulluf: yeah thats it
* [15:54] Cummere Mayo: ya know her name probably violates some tos but *shrugs* its too funny
* [15:54] Khyota Wulluf: but its not fixed?
* [15:54] Chaley May: in flycam lights flash like crazy
* [15:54] Khyota Wulluf: oh reopened
* [15:54] Bridie Linden: looks
* [15:54] Bridie Linden: noted
* [15:54] Garn Conover: ahh Bridie
* [15:54] Timos Albatros: don't follow.. what exactly is flycam? =p
* [15:55] Bridie Linden: we've been collecting up Space Nav issues, but haven't had the resources to fix them up as yet.
* [15:55] Garn Conover: this might be the issue where flycam gets left behind if you tp somewhere
* [15:55] Khyota Wulluf: shoulb be called freecam
* [15:55] Chaley May: i use space nav
* [15:55] Aimee Trescothick: yeah, that's VWR-4223 Garn
* [15:55] Garn Conover: this one seems related
* [15:55] Bridie Linden: So, please add your comments and repros...
* [15:55] Bambers Linden: Khyota - add that as a feature request
* [15:55] Garn Conover: i cant repo it any other way
* [15:56] Khyota Wulluf: can i do that?
* [15:56] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:56] Khyota Wulluf: oh i can!
* [15:56] Garn Conover: yea lol thats what Jira is there for
* [15:56] Bridie Linden: Was there another issue Khyota?
* [15:56] Khyota Wulluf: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9484
* [15:57] Garn Conover: when is the flycam icon comming back?
* [15:57] Chaley May: when i tp to another sim while in flycam my camera still looks to the position where i was in the last sim
* [15:57] Bridie Linden: Let's ask Tofu to take a look @ 9484
* [15:57] Bambers Linden: garn - add to jira
* [15:57] Bambers Linden: ;)
* [15:58] Khyota Wulluf: its the same when u cross a sim border
* [15:58] Aimee Trescothick: I think the flycam fixes including that one are being resubmitted to QA Garn
* [15:58] Alexa Linden: ok, tofu it is
* [15:58] Aimee Trescothick: Tofu commented on one of my others
* [15:58] Garn Conover: Bambers it should be there already
* [15:58] Bridie Linden: Well folks, we're approaching 4pm...
* [15:58] Garn Conover: i just dont know the #
* [15:58] Khyota Wulluf: on VWR-6546,
* [15:58] Joeseph Albanese: vote for under ground meeting next time
* [15:59] Bridie Linden: You're all welcome to join us next week for more bug triaging...
* [15:59] Squishypaint Aabye: great
* [15:59] Khyota Wulluf: well, i summed it up in desrciption :)
* [15:59] Bridie Linden: Please see the blog and forums to read and comment on Open Space concerns.
* [15:59] Aimee Trescothick: "Tofu: I'm going to sync the QA'able branch up with the latest trunk fixes and resubmit it for QA.
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* Tofu Linden - 04/Nov/08 10:01 AM I wouldn't worry about it Aimee, I don't think it's related to your changes, almost certainly not this one, and I'm a bit doubtful that the problem seen will repro easily anyway (it never has for me). I'm going to sync the QA'able branch up with the latest trunk fixes and resubmit it for QA.
* [15:59] Aimee Trescothick: oops
* [15:59] Aimee Trescothick: didn't mean to paste that here lol
* [15:59] Gellan Glenelg: any news on bsi nightly?
* [15:59] Bridie Linden: We do appreciate your feedback and all of the triage help!
* [15:59] Timos Albatros: hehe sl voice and linux.. I'm still of the opinion that most of the issues lie with the linux sound servers and thier many optional.. discombobulations, for lack of a better term.
* [15:59] Bridie Linden: Working on it Gellan!