Adult Content User Group/09/26/2011

==Attendees List==
*Charlie Navarathna (charlie.navarathna)
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*CrystalShard Foo (crystalshard.foo)
*eric (eric)
*Evelynn Kidd (evelynn.kidd)
*Ever Dreamscape (ever.dreamscape)
*Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Nal (nal)
*Qie (qie)
*Viale Linden (viale.linden)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
==Transcript for Monday September 26, 2011==
[11:00]	Evelynn Kidd 	hi viale (high street)
[11:01]	Evelynn Kidd 	i can't stay today, unfortunately
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	Hi - looks like I have bored everyone
[11:01]	Evelynn Kidd 	but i will be here next week
[11:01]	Qie 	Hi Viale, all. (Viale Hi, all.)
[11:01]	CrystalShard Foo 	But you've just arrived o_O
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	less drama means less attendance
[11:01]	Evelynn Kidd 	sorry, RL is being mean
[11:01]	Evelynn Kidd 	take care, bye
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	Hi Evelyn
[11:02]	CrystalShard Foo 	Bai
[11:02]	Viale Linden 	Totallly understand
[11:02]	Zada Bury 	Sorry for late
[11:02]	CrystalShard Foo 	By two whole minutes, too!
[11:02]	Viale Linden 	Hi
[11:02]	Innula Zenovka 	hi, everyone
[11:02]	Zada Bury 	Usually I try to be more ealry here
[11:02]	Viale Linden 	Hi Innula
[11:02]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Innula
[11:03]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Qie
[11:03]	Zada Bury 	Seems the seats are partial damaged
[11:03]	Viale Linden 	Hi Qie and Counter
[11:03]	Qie 	Hi Counter, everybody
[11:03]	CrystalShard Foo 	resit fixed for me~
[11:04]	Counter Landfall 	Hi again Viale (I think you wre out of chat range before)
[11:04]	Viale Linden 	So submissions for the Adult Content gateway are ending 9/30
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	I heard from some Adult folks in the Destination guide that traffic doubled for their venue
[11:05]	Innula Zenovka 	that's encouraging
[11:05]	Huntress Catteneo 	that would be expected
[11:05]	Counter Landfall 	Yes, and I can inform you tha there will be none from Zindra Alliance
[11:05]	Counter Landfall 	We would be interested in the current Zindra sim only
[11:05]	Zada Bury 	Can't say something in the moment about (DG) ... was have other kind of trouble.
[11:06]	Innula Zenovka 	have you received many submissions for the Adult Content Gateway, viale?
[11:06]	Viale Linden 	a handful
[11:07]	Viale Linden 	Not many
[11:07]	Innula Zenovka 	how will the successful submission be announced?
[11:07]	Viale Linden 	I wanted to bring up the frequency of this meeting and time
[11:07]	Innula Zenovka 	i'm looking forward to seeing what it is like
[11:08]	Huntress Catteneo 	to be a proper welcome area it should not really be commercial, not comercial = no real way to cover land cost
[11:08]	Viale Linden 	I am thinking we move to bi-monthly
[11:08]	Viale Linden 	or every 2 weeks
[11:08]	Counter Landfall 	Exactly Huntress
[11:08]	Viale Linden 	I am also open to changing the time to suit our NonUS friends
[11:09]	Zada Bury 	2 weeks sounds fine .... but the time is well for europe
[11:09]	Counter Landfall 	this time is perfect for non US
[11:09]	Innula Zenovka 	this time suits most Europeans very well, i think
[11:09]	Huntress Catteneo 	not me
[11:09]	CrystalShard Foo 	Yup. 9pm here at GMT+2.
[11:09]	Counter Landfall 	remember central urpoe is 9 hours ahead of you guys
[11:09]	Zada Bury 	8 PM here ... all great 1.1
[11:09]	Counter Landfall 	europe* (Europe *)
[11:09]	Huntress Catteneo 	it is now 3.30am here
[11:09]	Zada Bury 	maybe a bit more early then?
[11:09]	Counter Landfall 	8 pm here
[11:09]	Huntress Catteneo 	yes
[11:09]	Viale Linden 	Are we ok with moving to every 2weeks
[11:10]	Huntress Catteneo 	love say 2 hours earlier
[11:10]	Counter Landfall 	I don't have any objections to that
[11:10]	Nal 	I suppose that depends on how quickly one wants things to move.
[11:10]	Huntress Catteneo 	even just 1 is better
[11:10]	Viale Linden 	10am PDT?
[11:10]	Huntress Catteneo 	is that sl time?
[11:11]	Counter Landfall 	works fine for me
[11:11]	Zada Bury 	Would work for me. Counter?
[11:11]	Nal 	yes SLT = PDT
[11:11]	Zada Bury 	look on the top of your screen Huntress ^.^
[11:11]	Zada Bury 	11:11 AM PDT
[11:11]	Huntress Catteneo 	ok, well is slightly better at least
[11:11]	Viale Linden 	done
[11:11]	Innula Zenovka 	6pm in the UK.. bit early for people getting home from work
[11:11]	Viale Linden 	I will change the meeting time to 10 am PDT
[11:12]	Huntress Catteneo 	ah never absorb the pdt bit lol
[11:12]	Huntress Catteneo 	would be 7pm
[11:12]	Viale Linden 	I wanted to open the forum up as you know we are working on bringing your value forward
[11:13]	Innula Zenovka 	Huntress. i am in the UK and it is now 13 minutes past 7
[11:13]	Viale Linden 	Any items related to Adult content - Cant promise an answer, but would like to hear topics
[11:13]	Counter Landfall 	10 am PDT is 7 pm CET (central european time)
[11:13]	Huntress Catteneo 	france is diff time/
[11:13]	Huntress Catteneo 	?
[11:14]	Innula Zenovka 	sorry, i misunderstood you, Huntress. i though you were saying the new time would be 7 in the UK... but clearly you werent
[11:15]	Counter Landfall 	topics for the adult forums?
[11:15]	Nal 	Topics... with several user groups there is a simple agenda placed on the wiki page and handled each meeting. Is there a reason that doesn't work here? It gives people time to prepare.
[11:15]	Huntress Catteneo 	nevermind anyway on with meeting :)
[11:15]	Counter Landfall 	... I think the main thing is that you can use words on the forbidden list in postings without being modded
[11:15]	Viale Linden 	No, sorry. Open up the agenda for this meeting.
[11:15]	CrystalShard Foo 	This meeting also has an agenda page, tho it doesn't look like it get updated.
[11:16]	Nal 	Usually the meeting facilatator handles that...
[11:16]	Viale Linden 	Crystal ~ do you have any agenda items?
[11:16]	CrystalShard Foo 	Nope. Honestly I mostly came over to see what the buzz was about.
[11:16]	Counter Landfall 	I guess the topcs can span a wide range from policies to events to ...
[11:17]	Nal 	Also, using a table in the wiki for agenda items seems to make it rather difficult for people.
[11:17]	Viale Linden 	Please bring up items that would make SL better for you in terms of AC
[11:17]	Counter Landfall 	It would help everyone if you published filtered words to take the guesswork out of that
[11:18]	Counter Landfall 	both in SLM and the marketplace in general
[11:18]	Innula Zenovka 	particularly with the marketplace listings.... that's a real headache for me and vesta
[11:18]	Counter Landfall 	also, an adult tab in the profiles would be good
[11:18]	Counter Landfall 	so people could keep their adult stuff there
[11:18]	Huntress Catteneo 	Better controls at Vortex, feels like it has been dumped now with premiun sandboxes
[11:18]	Counter Landfall 	and it was only visible if you preferred to see it
[11:19]	Viale Linden 	good stuff counter
[11:19]	Counter Landfall 	I meant search in general above
[11:19]	Viale Linden 	Huntress - better controls?
[11:19]	CrystalShard Foo 	I'd like a clearer statement on wether nudity wthout sexual activity is allowed on Moderate zones or not.
[11:19]	CrystalShard Foo 	*without
[11:20]	Huntress Catteneo 	being able to deal with griefers etc
[11:20]	Huntress Catteneo 	we have one regular now
[11:20]	Innula Zenovka 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Adult_Content_FAQ#Is_simple_nudity_without_sex_Adult.3F
[11:20]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Innula
[11:20]	Viale Linden 	was just searching for that
[11:20]	Viale Linden 	adult FAQ
[11:20]	CrystalShard Foo 	I don't really see premium sandboxes as different from non-premium? Unless you're thinking of a way to call for help for a cleanup.
[11:20]	Innula Zenovka 	Innula Zenovka has that one bookmarked
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[11:21]	Innula Zenovka 	what does the griefer do, Huntress?
[11:21]	Viale Linden 	Huntress - can you be specific on how you could combat griefing with free account?
[11:21]	CrystalShard Foo 	Oh thanks. I didn't see the updated wiki page on that thing.
[11:21]	Zada Bury 	The difference is: On premium you come only if you have a premium account. So ... less crowded.
[11:22]	Huntress Catteneo 	not saying different, saying feels like the work we have been trying to do at Vortex now will be forgotten
[11:22]	Qie 	*oh*, incidentally... about those premium sandboxes... I wonder if they'd consider a couple of changes. First, it would be better if they tried to match the continent's sand texture at the bottom elevation, as long as they're adjacent existing sims.
[11:22]	Qie 	Also, I'm thinking it would be really handy to have the RC channels represented there. (although maybe that's just me)
[11:22]	CrystalShard Foo 	Not sure what "the vortex" is, so, not sure what work you are talking about.
[11:23]	Huntress Catteneo 	RC channels?
[11:23]	CrystalShard Foo 	Release Candidate?
[11:23]	Zada Bury 	vortex is the adult-sandbox of Zindra ...
[11:23]	Qie 	LeTigre, Blue Steel, Magnum
[11:23]	Huntress Catteneo 	adult sandbox
[11:23]	Counter Landfall 	RC channel adult sandboxes would be a good thing for developers
[11:23]	Zada Bury 	Release Channels are differnt server versions
[11:23]	Huntress Catteneo 	have a program of classes and mentoring
[11:23]	Viale Linden 	Good idea on RC sandboxes
[11:24]	Qie 	(I mean, I'm sure there are RC sandboxes somewhere, but with this cluster of 4 Adult premium sandboxes, it would be handy to have the RCs represented)
[11:24]	Viale Linden 	there are quite a bit
[11:25]	Zada Bury 	Maybe on the PremiumSandboxes it would be helpful to have "all" ground situations ... for vehicles (water, hill, water/beach)
[11:25]	Viale Linden 	I did lobby for several - probably only needed one
[11:25]	Nal 	Since each RC and the main grid run different server versions, it would be nice to have different sandbox in different channels... and a sign telling visitors which channel they are in.
[11:26]	Zada Bury 	(not I need it ... but for some it maybe helpful the groundsituations)
[11:27]	CrystalShard Foo 	I'm being asked by IM to relay that we could use more Moderate/Adult sandboxes beside Vortex.
[11:27]	Ever Dreamscape 	hiya :)
[11:27]	Zada Bury 	WElcome Ever.
[11:27]	Ever Dreamscape 	TY :D (TY: D)
[11:27]	Innula Zenovka 	hiya Ever
[11:27]	Ever Dreamscape 	hey :)
[11:28]	Zada Bury 	Maybe it migt be a dumb idea ... but ... in the moment the Vortex is stand along sim ... how about linking to the Premium one? The Premium is linket to Zindra-Continent itself.
[11:28]	CrystalShard Foo 	I'm just in favor of increasing the Vortex's size in general.
[11:28]	Huntress Catteneo 	yes Bill did mention that before
[11:29]	Viale Linden 	lots of sandboxes
[11:29]	Huntress Catteneo 	you said you didn't know what Vortex was?
[11:29]	Viale Linden 	M & A
[11:29]	CrystalShard Foo 	I could see a Cordova style sandbox landmass for adult users.
[11:29]	Viale Linden 	are available - you can search via the map
[11:29]	Zada Bury 	I guess the Premium one will not let enter objects ... so griefing from Vortex can't enter Zindra-Continent
[11:29]	CrystalShard Foo 	Huntress, correct. But I do now. ;)
[11:30]	Huntress Catteneo 	you mean the private ones Viale? (you mean the private ones Avenue?)
[11:30]	Qie 	Not private, but premium: Sandbox Bricker and the other 3 in the far NW of the continent... almost always just a few people there.
[11:31]	Viale Linden 	http://secondlife.com/destinations/premium/sandboxes
[11:31]	Huntress Catteneo 	and for non paid members?
[11:31]	Viale Linden 	http://secondlife.com/destinations/howto/sandbox
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	More choice with the premium - a good reason to upgrade
[11:32]	Nal 	It is going to take some time for people to realize there are premium snadboxes in Zindra
[11:32]	Innula Zenovka 	there's plenty of private sandboxes
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	True that Innula
[11:32]	CrystalShard Foo 	I honestly had no idea there even was one in the first place.
[11:32]	Huntress Catteneo 	how many non private, non premium adult sandboxes are there?
[11:33]	CrystalShard Foo 	I only know of a couple. Somehow it seems most of them are hosted by furries.
[11:33]	Huntress Catteneo 	I know there is private
[11:33]	CrystalShard Foo 	They tolerate me there tho.
[11:33]	eric 	I love the new premium adult sandboxes, thanks for those and thanks for no landing point, no junk there 24 hours
[11:33]	Viale Linden 	good to hear eric
[11:33]	CrystalShard Foo 	Going to have to poke my head there later.
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	We will continue to make Premium attractive
[11:34]	Innula Zenovka 	if by "non private" you mean LL owned, there aren't other than the Vortex.. but is that a huge issue? Is the Vortex over-crowded?
[11:34]	Huntress Catteneo 	non premium members still bring money into sl
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	Agree Huntress
[11:35]	Huntress Catteneo 	they rent places which means others supply those places
[11:35]	Viale Linden 	No argument here
[11:35]	Viale Linden 	However, people will also benefit from premium beyond land
[11:36]	CrystalShard Foo 	Did anyone already mention that we need a way to search for "mature only" items in Marketplace? Since right now we can only do a "PG only" search.
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	Please explain Crystal
[11:38]	CrystalShard Foo 	Well, suppose you want to narrow down your search only for items that are flagged as "mature".
[11:38]	CrystalShard Foo 	You can, at the moment, remove mature results from marketplace search. But you cannot do the opposite.
[11:39]	Viale Linden 	ok
[11:39]	CrystalShard Foo 	It's basic search logic.
[11:39]	Innula Zenovka 	any chance of getting one of the marketplace team along to talk to us one day, Viale?
[11:40]	Viale Linden 	Is that a big need?
[11:40]	Viale Linden 	Do you all sell a lot on SLM?
[11:40]	Innula Zenovka 	Vesta and I .. and we also see it as an important advertising tool
[11:40]	Huntress Catteneo 	most I know sell more there than inworld
[11:40]	CrystalShard Foo 	I've been hiding under a rock for a couple of years so no, need to move my stuff to marketplace and since it's all scripts it's nothing specifically mature. However!
[11:40]	Nal 	It would be ice to have good search tools. Search is a big issue in SL.
[11:41]	CrystalShard Foo 	Most of my friends do sell stuff PG/Mature stuff and honestly, they're very annoyed by how Marketplace flags down items as mature seemingly at random.
[11:41]	CrystalShard Foo 	Since we have no idea what the list of banned keywords is.
[11:41]	Counter Landfall 	search is really the prime mover for everything
[11:41]	Innula Zenovka 	that is, people will tend to look for stuff there and make a note of things they like the look of and then come and see and buy them in world
[11:41]	CrystalShard Foo 	And then there's the fact that better search tools are a very, very reasonable thing to add.
[11:41]	Viale Linden 	Am I hearing Search needs or SLM needs?
[11:41]	CrystalShard Foo 	Marketplace.
[11:41]	Innula Zenovka 	SLM from me
[11:41]	CrystalShard Foo 	Specifically, search within marketplace.
[11:42]	CrystalShard Foo 	So basically it's a two fold thing:
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	Yes, but it is the same people -search in viewer and mp
[11:42]	CrystalShard Foo 	1. A way to narrow down search results on marketplace only to Mature, not only "just PG".
[11:42]	Qie 	Right... in-world search is a *different* topic (and currently allows per-maturity-rating flag settings)
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	ok
[11:42]	CrystalShard Foo 	2. Some way for vendors to find out which keywords are flagging their new products as mature to prevent incidents which, let's face it, happens a lot
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	I can try to arrange the MP producer to attend
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	That sounds like it would be valuable
[11:42]	Innula Zenovka 	yeah.. the keywords is a major issue for a lot of us
[11:43]	Huntress Catteneo 	I never look on inworld search for items
[11:43]	Viale Linden 	However, will you guys get the word out?
[11:43]	Innula Zenovka 	particularly when it's something that should clearly be Mature but keeps on getting kicked into Adult
[11:43]	Nal 	The SLM team is taking a lot of heat from merchants and in-world residents trying to search. So, any help with search tools is a ppreciated.
[11:43]	Counter Landfall 	sure we can get the word out
[11:43]	Viale Linden 	Are you all on the Expor or alliance groups?
[11:43]	Huntress Catteneo 	keywords is a pain for many, do a listing and it gets refused and no clue what
[11:44]	Viale Linden 	I could update you on date there?
[11:44]	Counter Landfall 	how full do you want the sim to be ? :-)
[11:44]	CrystalShard Foo 	I'm an independed smartass.
[11:44]	Nal 	Will you schedule the meeting and put it in the agenda?
[11:44]	Innula Zenovka 	i'm not in any groups, either...
[11:44]	Viale Linden 	we would like to limit the smartasses - this group is full of pros
[11:45]	Huntress Catteneo 	stopped doing pro work long ago >:)
[11:45]	Nal 	If word gets out you will likely have tar and feathers people attending. Frustration with search is running high.
[11:45]	Viale Linden 	I will let you know Innulla and update the agenda on the usergoup page
[11:45]	Viale Linden 	Good point Nal
[11:45]	Qie 	yeah, getting the word out is *not* the problem
[11:45]	Innula Zenovka 	please.. that would be very kind.. and i will then try to publicise it as best i can
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	would really limit the effectiveness
[11:46]	Nal 	You may want to do a group IM thing... or what ever you feel will work.
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	I will surprise you all
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	Just keep coming to meetings
[11:46]	CrystalShard Foo 	Is the next one in a week or two weeks?
[11:46]	Nal 	lol... ok. I won't blab it in the blog.
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	Lets shoot for Next Monday at 10am
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	cant promise MP attendance.
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	I need to coordinate that
[11:47]	Nal 	Pls remeber to change the User groups/Office hours page.
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	Nal - keep it down as we want to keep this meeting small, so it is effective
[11:47]	Qie 	good idea to make the time change first, before missing a week. and maybe news next week about the Gateway.
[11:48]	Viale Linden 	I want to give MP good input from you all
[11:48]	Viale Linden 	yes
[11:48]	Viale Linden 	we wlll announce gateway winner next week
[11:48]	Nal 	I can avoid saying anything.
[11:48]	Viale Linden 	ok
[11:49]	Innula Zenovka 	at 6 or 7 is this, Viale? that's something i really don't want to miss
[11:49]	Huntress Catteneo 	1 hr earlier
[11:49]	Viale Linden 	10am PDT
[11:49]	Huntress Catteneo 	than today
[11:49]	Innula Zenovka 	10 am
[11:49]	Innula Zenovka 	sorry. thinking in my time
[11:50]	Viale Linden 	cant promise SLM, so please dont get high expectations
[11:50]	Viale Linden 	you may just have boring Viale
[11:51]	Viale Linden 	I think we can do a better job with DG - can you guys get the word out about the DG adult categories
[11:51]	Viale Linden 	also - let people know about the adult premium sandboxes
[11:51]	Nal 	How many of us here blog?
[11:51]	Viale Linden 	DG=destination Guide
[11:52]	Zada Bury 	*raises hand*
[11:52]	Viale Linden 	I mean - some more destinations
[11:53]	Viale Linden 	Zada
[11:53]	CrystalShard Foo 	I blog. In my head. For an audience of 1.
[11:53]	eric 	Please keep the adult premium sandboxes by themselves, if that's what you were refering to.
[11:53]	Innula Zenovka 	i emailed Brett last week asking for his advice about the destination guide.. not yet heard back from him
[11:54]	Viale Linden 	I dont think users know about the sandboxes - per Crystal
[11:54]	Viale Linden 	He has been on vacay
[11:54]	Nal 	We 3 can Plurk and Tweet about the DG and sandboxes. That probably reaches the most people.
[11:54]	Viale Linden 	I will ping him
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo 	has been on motd
[11:54]	Innula Zenovka 	that would explain it, thanks.. no huge urgency
[11:54]	eric 	good thinking Nal
[11:54]	Zada Bury 	I would make pics in the Sandbox ... from the Speedbuild events ... but it's to late/early for me ^.
[11:55]	Viale Linden 	Zada - Not sure I understand
[11:55]	Charlie Navarathna	i know of the bricker colborne teagano and goyer adult sandboxes
[11:55]	Zada Bury 	np, not important
[11:55]	Huntress Catteneo 	promotion of events
[11:56]	Charlie Navarathna	maybe other i havent seen
[11:56]	Viale Linden 	Zada - you want to promote an evetn?
[11:56]	Huntress Catteneo 	it is a current event
[11:56]	Zada Bury 	*shakes head* no ... Huntress doing it ... weekly (right?)
[11:56]	Huntress Catteneo 	yeah
[11:57]	Viale Linden 	If it doesnt end soon - you can submit to DG editor
[11:57]	Huntress Catteneo 	I can't put in event guide though
[11:57]	Huntress Catteneo 	can't no power
[11:57]	Huntress Catteneo 	don't have rights to list events for that location
[11:58]	Innula Zenovka 	cos it wants you to be an owner or have a group role.. i get it
[11:58]	Huntress Catteneo 	yep
[11:58]	Huntress Catteneo 	and group is lindens
[11:58]	Innula Zenovka 	can you list events in the Vortex, Viale?
[11:58]	Huntress Catteneo 	non existant ones at that
[11:59]	Viale Linden 	In the DG - yes
[12:00]	Nal 	I have to run... thx all.
[12:00]	Viale Linden 	Ok - lets meet next Monday at 10am PDT
[12:00]	Qie 	thanks Viale
[12:00]	Zada Bury 	ok ... next week then
[12:00]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks, viale (thanks, avenue)
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