Adult Content User Group/09/19/2011

==Attendees List==
*Aelfwine Crystal (aelfwine.crystal)
*Amo Paine (amo.paine)
*Angelena Collins (angelena.collins)
*Ann Otoole (ann.otoole)
*Chriz Collins (chriz.collins)
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*Dancer Greenfield (dancer.greenfield)
*Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Nal (nal)
*Qie (qie)
*Viale Linden (viale.linden)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
==Transcript for Monday September 19, 2011==
[10:58]	Qie 	Hi folks
[10:59]	Zada Bury 	Heya Qie
[10:59]	Ann Otoole 	80k+ (80k +)
[10:59]	Zada Bury 	oh, heya Viale
[10:59]	Qie 	Hi Viale (Hi Avenue)
[10:59]	Counter Landfall 	wow
[10:59]	Aelfwine Crystal 	quiet, quiet...here comes da man :) (quiet, quiet ... here comes the man:))
[10:59]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Viale (Hi Avenue)
[10:59]	Viale Linden 	Hi
[10:59]	Viale Linden 	oh jeez
[10:59]	Aelfwine Crystal 	laughs
[11:00]	Viale Linden 	lets give everyone a few min
[11:00]	Counter Landfall 	why not
[11:00]	Counter Landfall 	can we call it meeting lag?
[11:01]	Aelfwine Crystal 	Say, can I ask something? Just curious when LL went to just checking an "I'm over 18" box only?
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Zada
[11:01]	Aelfwine Crystal 	For age verify, that is
[11:01]	Counter Landfall 	few weeks ago
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	Not sure I understand
[11:01]	Dancer Greenfield	No more age verification now?
[11:01]	Dancer Greenfield	That's cool, it sucked anyway
[11:02]	Counter Landfall 	that is the age verification
[11:02]	Counter Landfall 	industry standard
[11:02]	Aelfwine Crystal 	Aelfwine Crystal frowns and nods, "Yep, all you have to do is click"
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[11:02]	Aelfwine Crystal 	Makes the whole forced move seem silly, if you ask me
[11:02]	Viale Linden 	Have you been here: https://secondlife.com/my/account/verification.php?lang=en-US
[11:03]	Viale Linden 	Thanks counter
[11:03]	Dancer Greenfield	The old age verifivation was a laugh anyway... any 12-year-old could type in his Dad's drivers license number
[11:03]	Aelfwine Crystal 	True enough, I agree
[11:03]	Innula Zenovka 	hi everyone
[11:03]	Aelfwine Crystal 	Hi Innula
[11:03]	Viale Linden 	Hi Innula
[11:03]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Innula, everyone new
[11:03]	Viale Linden 	Huntress
[11:03]	Viale Linden 	Hi Qie and Counter
[11:04]	Viale Linden 	Hi Chriz
[11:04]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[11:04]	Chriz Collins 	hi:)
[11:04]	Viale Linden 	I think we should get started
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	As I mentioned last week. We may need to change the frequency of these meetings to keep the discussion fresh
[11:05]	Dancer Greenfield	Twice a week now?
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	Just a quick status update
[11:05]	Zada Bury 	What frequence you have in the mind?
[11:05]	Huntress Catteneo	lol Dancer
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	We have received some proposals from the RFP for an adult content gateway
[11:06]	Viale Linden 	We are anxious to get going on that
[11:06]	Huntress Catteneo	RFP?
[11:06]	Viale Linden 	some other updates
[11:06]	Nal 	request for proposal
[11:06]	Viale Linden 	We worked with the Premium Product team and pushed forward some Adult Premium sandboxes
[11:07]	Counter Landfall 	sounds good
[11:07]	Zada Bury 	"some"?
[11:07]	Viale Linden 	And Friday, we started adding Adult Categories to the Destination guide
[11:07]	Viale Linden 	Zada - 4
[11:07]	Nal 	Are they live now or coming soon?
[11:07]	Huntress Catteneo	which is nice for premium people, rest get...?
[11:07]	Viale Linden 	They are live on the DG
[11:07]	Innula Zenovka 	excellent news about the gateway proposals.. what happens next with those?
[11:07]	Zada Bury 	Ah, the 4 sims which make 1 premium Sandbox.
[11:07]	Counter Landfall 	is there a list of the categories?
[11:08]	Viale Linden 	looking forward to see some more destination entrees
[11:08]	Viale Linden 	http://secondlife.com/destinations?lang=en-US
[11:08]	Viale Linden 	Love the main image on the DG from Frolic Mills
[11:09]	Viale Linden 	The Destination guide is our crowned jewell
[11:09]	Viale Linden 	love it
[11:09]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[11:09]	Counter Landfall 	Why not add the most popular adutl categories from SLM?
[11:09]	Zada Bury 	Ah, finally a DG-point, where I can put my place in without tricks.
[11:09]	Viale Linden 	That is my update
[11:09]	Viale Linden 	Zada - pls explain
[11:09]	Counter Landfall 	I sent you a list of what they are
[11:10]	Zada Bury 	In the past was no possible DG-target, where I can ut my place in ... without a bit "tricking" or alternate the background.
[11:10]	Zada Bury 	Now one is there, where it's fitting in.
[11:11]	Innula Zenovka 	that's great about the destination guide -- i saw blacksilk in there over the weekend when i logged in and wondered if that was new
[11:11]	Viale Linden 	Submit it to Editor@lindenlab.com and they will help you
[11:12]	Zada Bury 	Nice .... now I even not need to digg trough the old chat-ligs ^.^
[11:12]	Viale Linden 	Yes, Innula. Hopefully, we can get some good pics from you to add some more good content
[11:13]	Innula Zenovka 	Vesta and I are still a bit nervous about putting our place in.. we would like the traffic but are a bit worried about the potential disruption
[11:13]	Viale Linden 	In the coming weeks, we are working on an email to make it easier for residents to understand how to age veriify
[11:14]	Viale Linden 	I agree with some of you that the flow needs help
[11:14]	Counter Landfall 	Why not add the most popular adutl categories from SLM to the DG?
[11:17]	Viale Linden 	We reviewed several options for categories and in the end, we felt these were the best for mass web viewing.
[11:17]	Viale Linden 	Cound change over time
[11:17]	Counter Landfall 	Felt? :-)
[11:18]	Counter Landfall 	Based on what criteria?
[11:18]	Viale Linden 	In terms of a wide audience
[11:19]	Amo Paine 	sorry i am late
[11:20]	Counter Landfall 	so is the DG for internal consumption primarily, or is it a prospecting tool?
[11:20]	Viale Linden 	counter ~ could change over time
[11:20]	Viale Linden 	for existing and new residents
[11:21]	Counter Landfall 	will the DG entries be visible unless you have verified?
[11:21]	Counter Landfall 	like in SLM?
[11:21]	Viale Linden 	It is a tool for residents to go to these places and they can of course learn about other places in "A" regions by talking to other residents
[11:22]	Viale Linden 	Just like how Zagats works for travelers
[11:22]	Viale Linden 	Please submit your picks
[11:22]	Counter Landfall 	right
[11:23]	Viale Linden 	How many here visit the Destination Guide?
[11:23]	Counter Landfall 	I am just struggling a bit to understand the classification because you have a fashion category
[11:23]	Counter Landfall 	and a very large section of what is listed on SLM under adult falls under that
[11:23]	Huntress Catteneo	only when I have a place in it
[11:23]	Aelfwine Crystal 	Mmm, perhaps, Fashion isn't too "adult"
[11:23]	Counter Landfall 	so does that mean we can list such items on adult regions under fashion?
[11:23]	Amo Paine 	i use the guide
[11:23]	Qie 	I use DG sometimes.
[11:24]	Nal 	I use Dg
[11:24]	Innula Zenovka 	i look at it sometimes, but most of the time i'm too busy scripting and building to do much
[11:25]	Viale Linden 	Yes
[11:25]	Huntress Catteneo	likewise Innula lol
[11:25]	Viale Linden 	So Counter to answer your question
[11:25]	Counter Landfall 	Apparel has listed 41873 adult items on SLM
[11:25]	Counter Landfall 	Avatar Appearance
[11:26]	Viale Linden 	The editor will review submissions to the DG. They will probably not entertain places that are overtly commercial.
[11:26]	Viale Linden 	That is what Classifieds are for
[11:26]	Counter Landfall 	Home and Garden 21174
[11:26]	Huntress Catteneo	a lot now I see are hunts
[11:26]	Counter Landfall 	heh, why does not that apply to non adult?
[11:26]	Ann Otoole 	you mean like "clubs" that are really shopping malls?
[11:26]	Counter Landfall 	the calssifieds listed there
[11:26]	Innula Zenovka 	adult fashions and commerce -- surely that's for commerical stuff?
[11:27]	Aelfwine Crystal 	How and to who does one submit a Destination?
[11:27]	Viale Linden 	Let me get you the form
[11:27]	Aelfwine Crystal 	Thank you
[11:27]	Counter Landfall 	there are 241 places listed under clothing in DG
[11:27]	Qie 	So far, they've been pretty liberal with DG, Adult or not.
[11:28]	Innula Zenovka 	could you please explain about "They will probably not entertain places that are overtly commercial." viale?
[11:28]	Huntress Catteneo	and when form fails just email >:)
[11:28]	Counter Landfall 	50 lications for skins and shapes
[11:28]	Counter Landfall 	I guess they are all commercial?
[11:28]	Viale Linden 	Here is a comprehensive FAQ on Destination Guide questions. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Destination_Guide_FAQ
[11:28]	Aelfwine Crystal 	Seems Fashion and Jewelry already are commercial
[11:28]	Aelfwine Crystal 	Thank you Vaile
[11:29]	Innula Zenovka 	if Vesta and I do put our place in, we'd want it to be in "Fashions and Commerce" along with the other animation shops
[11:29]	Viale Linden 	if you have any questions that are not answered - Brett Linden who visited a couple weeks ago can answer your questions - editor@lindenlab.com
[11:30]	Aelfwine Crystal 	Aelfwine Crystal nods
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[11:30]	Viale Linden 	I think this is a small step, but a big one
[11:30]	Viale Linden 	SL is a platform for self-expression and adult can live up there right next to academc showcase
[11:31]	Viale Linden 	I have taken your feedback over the last 8-12 weeks and have made a lot of progress internally in terms of bringing your value forward
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	many of you have been very insightful
[11:32]	Counter Landfall 	keep it up ;-)
[11:33]	Amo Paine 	you are doing a good job, viale, i believe
[11:33]	Viale Linden 	Given the History, we need to think these things outbefore being tactical
[11:33]	Huntress Catteneo	I know Gina submitted updated proposal
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	I have very impressed with the Adult content folks. You all have alot of integrity and want this to succeed.
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	Your passion has been noted with execs at the lab
[11:35]	Amo Paine 	flatter will keep me happy
[11:35]	Huntress Catteneo	means little to me, action is good though
[11:35]	Viale Linden 	I did receive Gina's proposal.
[11:35]	Innula Zenovka 	what happens next with the adult content gateway proposals, viale.. do LL just review them and then announce which one has been selected?
[11:36]	Viale Linden 	Yes, we will review and start integrating into our promotions for adult content
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	However, I want yall to know the DG also provides you equal ground
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	I really dont wnat the AC gateway to be Linden ruled
[11:38]	Viale Linden 	This is a solution to the status quo that stagnated this groups thought around Zindra SIm and Events sanctioned by LL
[11:38]	Counter Landfall 	Let me ask again, have you made any projectsions of how much traffic you will send in that direction?
[11:38]	Innula Zenovka 	i think having it owned and run by residents is a very good idea, myself
[11:39]	Viale Linden 	Yes, I have very careful to stay out of the process with some of the RFPs
[11:39]	Viale Linden 	I want them to welcome folks and provide a gateway for others to advertisie, but beyond that I am staying out of designs
[11:41]	Viale Linden 	I think this group has come a long way from discussions about the name of zindra sim
[11:42]	Huntress Catteneo	always the sticky point in my mind, determining who does or doesn't get to advertise etc
[11:42]	Counter Landfall 	I think most of us ended that discussion in Sept 2009
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	Counter ~ So I want to do a larger email to active 18 yr olds that have not age verfied and a follow up promoting AC
[11:42]	Counter Landfall 	sounds very good
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	Then if that works out
[11:42]	Counter Landfall 	I welcome that
[11:43]	Viale Linden 	I want to automate the age verification step via email to new users
[11:43]	Counter Landfall 	ok, but don't they confirm age on signup?
[11:43]	Viale Linden 	we will tes, test and refine
[11:44]	Viale Linden 	Flows will improve over time, but as you know dev has a lot on its plate
[11:45]	Viale Linden 	We will try to help via email
[11:45]	Innula Zenovka 	yeah, Counter, but i think this is confirming that, as well as being eligable to see adult content, you want to.. correct me, please, viale, if i am mistaken.. which i see as a big boost cos it tells people, right at sign up, that we're here and they might want to see more
[11:45]	Counter Landfall 	the algorithm is. If signup is over 18 write age verified = true to database on signup along with any other info
[11:45]	Counter Landfall 	the only thing they have to do is set a pref
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	We have that extra step to age verfiy, so users can control the content they are about to see
[11:46]	Viale Linden 	Just like onn the web
[11:46]	Counter Landfall 	no (on)
[11:46]	Counter Landfall 	that is not age verification
[11:46]	Counter Landfall 	that is setting a pref in the viewer
[11:47]	Counter Landfall 	the age verification step is confirm age 18 or higher
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	Yes, that pref in the viewer needs to be made into a onse step
[11:47]	Counter Landfall 	which they do on signup
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	I think that is good feedback
[11:48]	Viale Linden 	counter - we cannot go a week without that discussion.
[11:48]	Viale Linden 	Now I knwo it is Monday
[11:48]	Viale Linden 	lol
[11:48]	Amo Paine 	lol
[11:48]	Counter Landfall 	I am only trying to get you to see that you already do the age verify on initial signup
[11:48]	Huntress Catteneo	Counter, your idea always seems to be force as many into adult as possible, some would complain to LL about that for sure
[11:49]	Counter Landfall 	setting the pref in the viewer is the confirmation stefp of what they want to see
[11:49]	Viale Linden 	I think counter just wants the experience to be a smooth flow with out so many bandaids
[11:49]	Viale Linden 	I agree
[11:49]	Counter Landfall 	and it should defualt to G+M as it does now
[11:50]	Viale Linden 	Rob is a big advocate of flow and changing the age verification flow in Late June was a 1st step
[11:50]	Aelfwine Crystal 	Step one, sign up, saying you're 18 when you sign the TOS, Step 2, click "I'm over 18" under age verification, Step 3, change the viewer settings. It is rather a lot
[11:50]	Viale Linden 	The old flow required a few aspirin
[11:50]	Counter Landfall 	step to is redundant
[11:51]	Counter Landfall 	two?
[11:51]	Aelfwine Crystal 	That is IF the TOS reflects the over 18 thing, now
[11:51]	Viale Linden 	The old flow made it tough for 40 yr olds
[11:52]	Viale Linden 	So any events or updates you would like to share before we end
[11:53]	Huntress Catteneo	if I wasn't half asleep yes
[11:53]	Viale Linden 	go ahead Huntress
[11:53]	Viale Linden 	I am sorry for boring you
[11:53]	Huntress Catteneo	no is 4.23am here
[11:54]	Zada Bury 	no boreing here ... only problem solveing in IM (no boreing here ... only problem in solveing ??IM)
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo	and I have had 4 hrs sleep in last 72
[11:54]	Viale Linden 	ahhh
[11:54]	Zada Bury 	*hands a "red bull" *
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo	so nodding off a bit
[11:54]	Viale Linden 	nice
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo	oh ick lol
[11:55]	Huntress Catteneo	and I already have the wings lol
[11:55]	Amo Paine 	you look good when you are nodding off
[11:55]	Viale Linden 	where is my friend Evelyn?
[11:55]	Huntress Catteneo	normally tempy keeps me awake
[11:55]	Viale Linden 	and Ginette?
[11:56]	Huntress Catteneo	Gina had another meeting
[11:56]	Huntress Catteneo	rl I think
[11:56]	Huntress Catteneo	forget what she told me sorry :(
[11:56]	Huntress Catteneo	just remember she said proposal
[11:57]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[11:57]	Viale Linden 	Take care everyone
[11:57]	Qie 	thanks Viale
[11:58]	Viale Linden 	Thank YOU
[11:58]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks, Viale.. bye for now
[11:58]	Zada Bury 	Same to you, Viale.
[11:58]	Amo Paine 	bye, viale (bye, avenue)
[11:58]	Viale Linden 	Look forward to seeeing you all next week
[11:58]	Viale Linden 	Bye
[11:58]	Innula Zenovka 	see you then
[11:58]	Zada Bury 	*waves*
[11:58]	Angelena Collins 	thank you and bye for now
[11:58]	Dancer Greenfield	Bye Viale (Bye Avenue)
[11:59]	Counter Landfall 	Bye Viale (Bye Avenue)
[11:59]	Huntress Catteneo	this time sooo kills me
[11:59]	Zada Bury 	Better not look on your Bed, Huntress ....
[11:59]	Zada Bury 	... in bed the most poeple die. (... in the bed most of the poeple.)
[11:59]	Huntress Catteneo	wish so much was not US centric
[12:00]	Viale Linden 	we should consider another time next week - lets discuss
[12:00]	Zada Bury 	Now you know, how I have feel along the 2 weeks pre-party time ... ^.^
[12:00]	Viale Linden 	many of you are abroad
[12:00]	Huntress Catteneo	in my bed is warm body waiting to wrap around me
[12:00]	Innula Zenovka 	this is a good time for Europeans, of course
[12:00]	Viale Linden 	Good night Huntress
[12:00]	Counter Landfall 	Perfect time for Europe
[12:00]	Huntress Catteneo	oh I always know Zada
[12:01]	Zada Bury 	Perfect for europe, yessss ^_^
[12:01]	Huntress Catteneo	gf is French
[12:01]	Viale Linden 	Take care Amo
[12:01]	Amo Paine 	i think this is the best compromise for europe and the americas
[12:01]	Zada Bury 	sweet dreams, Huntress ... about kangaroos ... and fluffy rabbits ... and ... poison spiters ... and so on.
[12:01]	Counter Landfall 	it can be an hour later, but not much more than that
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