Community Translation Project/Office Hours/2009 12 01

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[13:02]	:	It may be a smaller short meeting today. No "real" agenda. More of a catch up since we missed last week : )
[13:02]	:	Hi Bolek ㋡
[13:03]	:	How is everyone doing?
[13:03]	:	but I'll send you one when I have fixed that
[13:03]	:	lol, ill wait till its finished then black :)
[13:03]	:	Not too bad thanks.
[13:03]	:	excellent here
[13:03]	:	Does anyone have any new projects or topics they wanted to mention today?
[13:04]	:	I'd like to make a proposal to ban thanksgiving, in order to avoid missing meeting :)
[13:04]	:	lol
[13:04]	:	LOL
[13:04]	:	save some turkeys too!
[13:04]	:	well, the dutch CG i talked about is atm on a halt basicly
[13:04]	:	glossary !
[13:04]	:	ahh busy
[13:05]	:	Hi link ㋡
[13:05]	:	we did have 2 new residents join the team tho :)
[13:05]	:	hey link
[13:05]	:	coucou link
[13:05]	:	Hello link
[13:05]	:	link hello
[13:05]	:	oh thats good Youri!
[13:05]	:	hello BlckCobra, Hello Lexie
[13:05]	:	What was the glossary topic/question?
[13:05]	:	hello hello
[13:05]	:	hey flemming
[13:05]	:	great Youri ㋡
[13:05]	:	Hi everone - sorry to be late
[13:05]	:	Hi Flemming ㋡
[13:06]	:	well the italian team has some problem to translate many words
[13:06]	:	L$10 into the pot for being late LOL
[13:06]	:	example hair styles
[13:06]	:	without a picture
[13:06]	:	Slatan, this is 2.0 project related?
[13:06]	:	did the italian team have a private meeting for it?
[13:06]	:	yes
[13:06]	:	deffo needs a private meeting :p
[13:06]	:	not in here :)
[13:06]	:	ok, please put the questions on that jira
[13:07]	:	ok apologise
[13:07]	:	Correct, we cannot discuss 2.0 at this meeting, sorry!
[13:07]	:	: )
[13:07]	:	my bad
[13:07]	:	Yes, just let me know if anyone needs the region closed for a meeting like that
[13:07]	:	we could talk freely inworld and solve some problems and see how far we were
[13:07]	:	we will have a meeting this week too
[13:07]	:	We can make that happen
[13:07]	:	ok
[13:08]	:	think its wise for all teams to do that
[13:08]	:	Agreed
[13:08]	:	I have a little news
[13:08]	:	Slan hello
[13:08]	:	lexie will close it down here so only your team can enter
[13:09]	:	make sure you know what things you like to discuss in your team
[13:09]	:	may solve problems
[13:09]	:	oh fun lexie!
[13:09]	:	: ))
[13:09]	:	And unofficialy ?
[13:09]	:	kewl :-) official launch means: blog post and it becomes some extra links somewhere?
[13:09]	:	nice
[13:09]	:	Right Zai, Message of the day, blog, kiosks, banners
[13:10]	:	wow, the whole parade ^^
[13:10]	:	Lots of links, not all in place until maybe January
[13:10]	:	But lots of PR
[13:10]	:	So I will keep an eye on the language channels and see how the activity is in those
[13:10]	:	I think it might pick up quite a bit...
[13:10]	:	Question: there are always a few (so fra not many) post which are eithe clear advertisement or not relted to the questions posted ... I see that some are removed ... but it often takes a day.
[13:11]	:	Will there be more Admins/Monitors?
[13:11]	:	also unclosed but answered stuff
[13:11]	:	You can always let me know but yes, we are looking at having mods there
[13:11]	:	I was btw thinking, everyone knows the xstreet boxes can deliver items to the customers. but why not modify such a box and use it other way around, having blog messages for example delivered inworld
[13:11]	:	I know some threads are just hanging there, lots of replies but no "answer"
[13:11]	:	gives another link to the blogs which currently is not read by everyone
[13:12]	:	if you pay the L$10 fee for those XStreet items, Youiri :P
[13:12]	:	That might be something a mod can follow up on too
[13:12]	:	same can work for sl wiki and other things
[13:12]	:	o.O really? how was that notecard named?
[13:12]	:	10L$? its 99L$ for a freebie a month :p
[13:12]	:	but thats not the thing i was talking about :)
[13:12]	:	Interesting idea about the notifications
[13:13]	:	Hi Tiamat ㋡
[13:13]	:	I don't really remember, but I thik there was your name and wiki in it
[13:13]	:	hey tia
[13:13]	:	hi LExie, hi everybody
[13:13]	:	youri :D
[13:13]	:	lol :)
[13:13]	:	Tiamat hello
[13:13]	:	If SLAnswers picks up more traffic soon, trhere nned to be quicker reaction on moderation
[13:13]	:	Slatan ㋡ *waves*
[13:13]	:	hm... i see in my mail that i sent you an offline reply a week ago
[13:13]	:	Agreed Blck
[13:14]	:	not talking of censoring, but to keep te stuff in line
[13:14]	:	Looking into that currently and pushing it : ))
[13:14]	:	Hi Bolek :-) I suppose you're talking about Project:Languages, rather than the CT Project one? That is located at https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Project:Languages :-)
[13:14]	:	Yes, and I sent the NC about 2 days after, I think
[13:14]	:	Zai, how is the wiki doing? Is there a big need for more translations now?
[13:15]	:	I feel like there has been less activity in that area...or am I wrong?
[13:15]	:	torley mentioned that there may be need soon
[13:15]	:	ok
[13:15]	:	hm... i don't seem to have that notecard... :-S tho I can right after the meeting when you give me the question again =)
[13:15]	:	Ok. That's weird I didn't get your answer. Thx for the link anyway
[13:15]	:	yeah there are fewer people... or hardly any activity at all besides some japanese translations
[13:16]	:	i guess the CT project consumed all translators
[13:16]	:	Well the question was about the link, and you just answered it. So it's fine.
[13:16]	:	The wiki is such a good resource to keep current and translated
[13:16]	:	ah ok :-)
[13:17]	:	Maybe I can try to shine a light on that since it is a great place for anyone who is bilingual to participate in localization
[13:17]	:	in context of the wiki
[13:17]	:	We did "motivate" (understand torture) Noelle so she should give us some work really soon :)
[13:17]	:	karin is coming
[13:17]	:	I can add a better link for it from the Volunteers Blog
[13:17]	:	lol Bolek
[13:17]	:	hey karin :)
[13:17]	:	yeah that would be kewl :-) maybe point people to Project:Languages since that link isn't as prominent anymore
[13:18]	:	Karin hello
[13:18]	:	ok, will do Zai
[13:18]	:	hi, sorry i am late
[13:18]	:	hihi KArin ㋡
[13:18]	:	Yes, search could be better Blck..I agree
[13:18]	:	Wiki is fine, but it also have a great dowside.
[13:18]	:	Hi Karin ㋡
[13:19]	:	I think wiki is fairly easy to learn to use for the basics. That might be a page we want to promote.
[13:19]	:	What downside do you have in mind, Bolek?
[13:20]	:	I think the Lindens involved in the localization of the client should verify the wiki, and lock the pages that are already translated.
[13:20]	:	great
[13:20]	:	the basics of the wiki are easy, but it demands a lot from you if you want to translate something and be in conformance with the gueidelines
[13:20]	:	yes Bolek
[13:20]	:	Only pages that get locked in the main space of public wiki are "official" type pages
[13:20]	:	at least for those who do not work with it daily
[13:20]	:	It is suppose to be accessible to all
[13:21]	:	I know Lexie, and that's the downside of it.
[13:21]	:	I think if we make it harder to get in there and try...we will have even less help keeping it updated
[13:21]	:	yeah agreed
[13:21]	:	Quality over quantity ?
[13:21]	:	tho the "official" translations are locked anyway
[13:21]	:	it's already pretty hard to comply with all the guidelines
[13:21]	:	mmhmm
[13:22]	:	Ok then
[13:22]	:	Yes, quality comes from many eyes on something I think? Review is a key part of any article or translation
[13:22]	:	So participation is key...the more eyes the better.
[13:22]	:	I agree with this
[13:23]	:	if "official" meens done by RL translator companies, then no worries. if not, then they should be reviewed by the CT teams first before getting locked
[13:23]	:	I will make sure that the wiki gets some spotlight. Then we can watch and see how the activity goes
[13:23]	:	let's not just post something that may not be a good translation
[13:23]	:	with "official" i meant any KB translation provided by the CT project
[13:24]	:	you may perhaps even end up insulting people even if its not mend to do so
[13:24]	:	Right Youri, locked translated pages would have been reviewed by someone on the localization team
[13:24]	:	or you will make a mistake so people laugh hard about it making the poster taken less siriously
[13:25]	:	who Lexie ?
[13:25]	:	Ok Lexie, so in fact it IS checked then ?
[13:25]	:	I think you need to distinguish the KB articles in the Wiki from the rest... the rest is resident created and even the English article can hold false information. no point to lock a translation when the original is already flawed
[13:25]	:	If it is locked in the main area of wiki..that would because it was looked at by a Linden, yes
[13:26]	:	agreed Zai
[13:26]	:	yes, Zai
[13:26]	:	Ok, this is fine for me then :)
[13:26]	:	okay, then thats atleast good :p
[13:26]	:	I know even locked information can use updates. Information changes and evolves in SL...often
[13:26]	:	lol
[13:26]	:	when can we continue to translate all new KB ??
[13:27]	:	i occasionally try to make translations on wiki better as well, damn google translator just gets most things wrong
[13:27]	:	"evolves" is a good word choice
[13:27]	:	: ))
[13:27]	:	so nicely neutral :-)
[13:28]	:	Any other topics today?
[13:28]	:	hmmm... well... i did notice some things on the 2.0 page
[13:28]	:	euhm... ramzi
[13:29]	:	could you check the html file i uploaded to jira?
[13:29]	:	there should be reports on for things i found double
[13:29]	:	Youri, you have a special hour to talk about 2.0, please use it.
[13:29]	:	Oh, sure Youri. I saw that you uploaded it.
[13:29]	:	besides, its a locked jira :p
[13:30]	:	as long as ramzi knows what i mean :p
[13:30]	:	I think we are done for today. I'm glad you could make the meeting. Hopefully we will have more information on things to work on before too much longer!
[13:30]	:	㋡
[13:30]	:	dont mind for the non translated words tho, the dutch team picks that up
[13:31]	:	is it still possible to join the 2.0 translation effort?
[13:31]	:	just the double things in there needs to be checked to be sure
 
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