Adult Content User Group/08/29/2011

==Attendees List==
*?íss Zå??dz?í (?íss.zå??dz?í)
*Brett (brett)
*Couldbe (couldbe)
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
*Hypatia Meili (hypatia.meili)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Melvin Starbrook (melvin.starbrook)
*Qie (qie)
*Storyof Oh (storyof.oh)
*Temperance Hax (temperance.hax)
*Viale Linden (viale.linden)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
==Transcript for Monday August 29, 2011==
[11:00]	Melvin Starbrook 	good evening Viale
[11:01]	Hypatia Meili 	hi viale (high street)
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	Hi
[11:01]	Melvin Starbrook 	or morning for you :)
[11:01]	Temperance Hax 	hello
[11:01]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Viale (Hi Avenue)
[11:01]	Counter Landfall 	Hi everyone
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	looks like Zexpo has reduced attendees for the Adult user group
[11:01]	Counter Landfall 	as expected :-)
[11:02]	Temperance Hax 	We ar all shagged out hehe
[11:02]	Melvin Starbrook 	hihi just coming fromm zexpo "_
[11:02]	Melvin Starbrook 	:)
[11:02]	Hypatia Meili 	i think a few arnt even online
[11:02]	Innula Zenovka 	it's a public holiday in the UK, so some Brits may be otherwise engaged
[11:02]	Viale Linden 	let me give everyone a couple of min
[11:03]	Counter Landfall 	and some might have lost power or such in the US
[11:03]	Viale Linden 	we will have brett Linden here at 11:15 to follow-up on Adult content in Destination Guide
[11:04]	Counter Landfall 	very good
[11:04]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[11:04]	Viale Linden 	Lets get started
[11:04]	Huntress Catteneo	ok have my coffee :)
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	Last week I mentioned that we are requesting proposals for an adult gateway
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	Let me share the link
[11:05]	Viale Linden 	https://docs.google.com/a/lindenlab.com/document/d/1ou1-uettLf8_ybksVnweAbS4B-U91eAKEAwMUMfwaW0/edit?hl=en_US&ndplr=1
[11:06]	Hypatia Meili 	i can see something that could be problmatic for other not involved in any proposal
[11:06]	Viale Linden 	We have received some interest
[11:06]	Counter Landfall 	I guess it is the same as last week or are there any updates?
[11:06]	Hypatia Meili 	wha ezactly does "exclusive use of “Zindra” name" mean
[11:06]	Innula Zenovka 	That's encouraging, Viale
[11:06]	Viale Linden 	and I have seen this picked up on SLuniverse
[11:06]	Viale Linden 	So the actual parcels will have zindra in the names
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili 	youhave groups alreadyinexistance wi the name zindra
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili 	and some parcles
[11:07]	Viale Linden 	Descriptions are fine
[11:07]	Melvin Starbrook 	and you cant use zindra elsewhere?
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili 	seach works inits own way too
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili 	can my shopdescitptionsay i am on zindra
[11:07]	Viale Linden 	Ideally it will help search results
[11:07]	Zada Bury 	sorry for late ... but was need to grab some pics befireä
[11:07]	Melvin Starbrook 	search works? :)
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili 	it wher i am
[11:08]	Melvin Starbrook 	Melvin Starbrook giggles
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[11:08]	Counter Landfall 	Zindra is just like Texas. It is a land area
[11:08]	Viale Linden 	today - type zindra in search
[11:08]	Viale Linden 	you get the linden owned sim called zindra
[11:08]	Temperance Hax 	Will Zindra Vortex remain Vortex?
[11:08]	Viale Linden 	That is fine
[11:09]	Viale Linden 	The idea is that we will promote it as an entry point into adult content
[11:09]	Hypatia Meili 	"Hypatia's shop - located on the contanentswe can not mention" ?
[11:09]	Hypatia Meili 	:p
[11:09]	Viale Linden 	The promotion is the important part
[11:09]	Temperance Hax 	but can someon have zindra imprts as a shop name?
[11:10]	Viale Linden 	Also Resildents will own it and not LindenLab
[11:10]	Hypatia Meili 	can zindra alinces stay zindra aliance if ZA doen not take the 4 sims (zindra alinces can stay if zindra Aliance ZA do not take the 4 sims)
[11:10]	Viale Linden 	sure
[11:10]	Temperance Hax 	promoting zindra seemskindof pointles sis everyoneelse has to call it the fishland or something
[11:10]	Hypatia Meili 	see wher it can be confusing
[11:10]	Temperance Hax 	cool
[11:11]	Temperance Hax 	yeah I dontlike exlusive use of so braod
[11:11]	Innula Zenovka 	As I understand it, Hypatia, you can call the parcel "Hypatia's shop" and have "This is Hypatia's Zindra shop" in the description, but you won't be able to call the parcel itself "Hypatias shop on Zindra", just "Hypatia's shop"
[11:11]	Viale Linden 	That is correct Innula
[11:11]	Viale Linden 	Thanks
[11:11]	Hypatia Meili 	and it doen aply to group names (and does it aply to group names)
[11:11]	Hypatia Meili 	just land?
[11:12]	Viale Linden 	just the parcel name
[11:12]	Temperance Hax 	sow hat we we all zindra now?
[11:12]	Hypatia Meili 	and vortex wilbe exempt as imnfra structure?
[11:12]	Storyof Oh 	who will police parcel sales on zindra to check use of the Z word?
[11:12]	Viale Linden 	vortex is not part of the request for proposal
[11:13]	Zada Bury 	HEya today, Brett.
[11:13]	Brett 	hello :)
[11:13]	Temperance Hax 	I dontlike the idea at all, whoever gets it willhave an advantage without making everyone else unable to use the word
[11:13]	Hypatia Meili 	but then it would not be alowed to use zindra in name?
[11:13]	Innula Zenovka 	Hi, Brett
[11:13]	Temperance Hax 	its like saying yucan be English fish shop
[11:13]	Viale Linden 	Brett Linden is here to talk about how Adult content providers can promote them selves in the Destination Guide
[11:13]	Brett 	:) hi innula
[11:13]	Melvin Starbrook 	mm i like fishies
[11:13]	Brett 	hello everyone
[11:13]	Temperance Hax 	cos the uk givt sold the right rights tobe english to toyoto or something
[11:14]	Temperance Hax 	hi Brett
[11:14]	Brett 	Last week I mentioned that the editorial team was starting to include A-rated venues in the Destination Guide. This is already happening...and you can see examples of what is live by filtering by A ratings: http://secondlife.com/destinations?r=a
[11:14]	Brett 	Since last week, there have been some internal Linden Lab conversations re: the establishment of better guidelines.
[11:15]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Brett
[11:15]	Hypatia Meili 	Vaile seach "zindra" under places in all search
[11:15]	Brett 	We've added the following info to our Destination Guide FAQ on the Second Life wiki:
[11:15]	Hypatia Meili 	hi brett
[11:15]	Viale Linden 	Brett has the floor
[11:15]	Brett 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Destination_Guide_FAQ#Adult-rated_Areas
[11:15]	Brett 	As you can see, we are looking at the industry standard for guidelines in adult content advertising used by Google, Microsoft and Yahoo.
[11:15]	Brett 	This means that we will review all text and images with the goal of keeping things PG-13 in nature.
[11:16]	Brett 	To be clear, this is only in reference to the text and image in the Destination Guide listing and does not reflect any policy change in Second Life activity at large or for Classifieds.
[11:16]	Viale Linden 	This is great news
[11:16]	Storyof Oh 	and profiles?
[11:16]	Viale Linden 	I want to build out a category for Adult content
[11:16]	Viale Linden 	Jsut talking about destination guide
[11:17]	Zada Bury 	is it possible to include in the FAQ the description of PG13? Not all are familar with
[11:17]	Brett 	One thing you can do now is filter by A rating...for example, http://secondlife.com/destinations?r=a
[11:17]	Melvin Starbrook 	PG-13? is 13 choosen to be save or...
[11:17]	Viale Linden 	Zada ~ that should give you an example
[11:17]	Hypatia Meili 	i think th curen word filter doen adhear to pg-13 inboth directions at times (i think th curen filter is to do adhear PG-13 inboth directions at times)
[11:18]	Zada Bury 	more "what's allowed , what not" ... not "what would you tell your grandmother or a class of kidsgarden kids"
[11:18]	Brett 	To see examples of the entries that we have published so far, you can see what is live now at that link. But, we anticipate that we'll have many more entries to review as you submit your venues
[11:18]	Viale Linden 	Brett will deal with your submissions on a 1:1 basis
[11:19]	Brett 	The Destination Guide does include maturity ratings that help residents decide what is right for them -- but, as you can see on the web version of the Destination Guide (http://secondlife.com/destinations), anyone of any age can see all listings in the current form.
[11:19]	Storyof Oh 	so a destination description suitable for 13 years old who then tp in and get a shock peachy....
[11:19]	Viale Linden 	However, the best practisies gives you a good idea
[11:19]	Brett 	We will continue to review the policy in the future as maturity rating settings and functionality are reviewed and/or modified. However, the good news is that we are reviewing all rated regions immediately.
[11:19]	Zada Bury 	"folk music", Story? ^.^
[11:19]	Melvin Starbrook 	wow..
[11:19]	Zada Bury 	((sorry, was hard to resist about the 2shocking))
[11:20]	Melvin Starbrook 	that may become a lot of work.. respect for you hihi
[11:20]	Viale Linden 	Keep in mind this is for adult content and should not be limited to zindra mainland
[11:20]	Brett 	Yes, this is for A-rated content in gneral, including (but not exclusive to) Zindra
[11:20]	Storyof Oh 	well no seeing as there is a lot of adult content in mature and pg if you look hard enough
[11:20]	Viale Linden 	Just like thise user group ....
[11:21]	Hypatia Meili 	dont need to lok that hard
[11:21]	Couldbe 	you don't even have to look very hard to find it
[11:21]	Hypatia Meili 	i did som exploring this week
[11:21]	Storyof Oh 	;)
[11:21]	Counter Landfall 	for someone living in a country where gays and lebians have equal rights as any other couples, where do you draw the line on what is adult or not for a gay or lesbian location?
[11:21]	Viale Linden 	Brett is an editor by training
[11:21]	Brett 	For follow up, I'm happy to chat with anyone one-on-one or email editor@lindenlab.com with your ???
[11:22]	Viale Linden 	and will start to buld categories as the content comes in
[11:22]	Brett 	Hi Counter. We do have an LGBT section -- and certainly being LGBT does not equate to an automatic A rating
[11:22]	Viale Linden 	Please tell your friends and I hope this helps you build your community
[11:22]	Brett 	http://secondlife.com/destinations/gay
[11:23]	Counter Landfall 	so a gay activist group for instance is not adult?
[11:23]	Viale Linden 	Yes, LGBT does not equal Adult
[11:23]	Zada Bury 	I only ask for a better description for PG13 ... becasue in my contry it's a bit more open in some things ... and our maturity-rating not matching these from the US ... sooo ... haveing a description, examples, list ... would safe Brett work and show us more easy "what is possible, what not
[11:23]	Counter Landfall 	PG-13 only exist in my country as a classification on films from the US.
[11:24]	Brett 	For any submissions, please look at the industry standard guidelines linked to in the wiki for guidance...but we will take a look as well and can work with you one on one
[11:24]	Viale Linden 	Oh jeez counter
[11:24]	Couldbe 	pg-13 is only a classification for films as far as I know
[11:24]	Brett 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Destination_Guide_FAQ#Adult-rated_Areas
[11:24]	Viale Linden 	good question though
[11:24]	Temperance Hax 	I thought lgbt would be adult if the land is set adult, not otherwise?
[11:24]	Viale Linden 	Brett ~ not everyone understands PG-13
[11:24]	Storyof Oh 	and remember we are dealing with a country that doesnt have topless sunbathing....
[11:24]	Hypatia Meili 	it seems tohave been more recently aplied to regular computer games also
[11:25]	Zada Bury 	right, Couldbe ... but Europe is about "nudity" more easy than US ... and more strict about violence
[11:25]	Innula Zenovka 	But since Brett is content to work with us on refining the descriptions.. so long as it's not like the guessing game we sometimes have to pay with automated system in the marketplace
[11:25]	Storyof Oh 	yup we see love making as more natural than carrying guns and shooting people
[11:25]	Hypatia Meili 	Titties a no no but decapataion is fine !
[11:25]	Brett 	The rating of the region is not a variable in whether or not we will list in the DG. Our concern is in the image and text descriptions in the Destination Guide only
[11:26]	Hypatia Meili 	depends wher you are
[11:26]	Viale Linden 	brb
[11:26]	Brett 	innula..yes, we are happy to work with you one on one
[11:26]	Zada Bury 	right ... and these we wanna make from the begin on right, matching your wishes.
[11:27]	Brett 	editor@lindenlab.com is the best way to get ahold of us or use the submission form
[11:27]	Huntress Catteneo	the form always fails me lol
[11:27]	Viale Linden 	i am back
[11:27]	Huntress Catteneo	never goes though
[11:27]	Innula Zenovka 	wb, viale (wb Avenue)
[11:27]	Brett 	sorry huntress :( email us directly...as I think you did with your last submission
[11:28]	Huntress Catteneo	last 2 lol
[11:28]	Huntress Catteneo	had to do it with ArtFest
[11:28]	Temperance Hax 	If the simis called "orgy room" or more explicit will the sim name get modesty asterisked?
[11:28]	Viale Linden 	I am hoping you guys make Brett Busy
[11:29]	Temperance Hax 	yay artfest
[11:29]	Huntress Catteneo	lol
[11:29]	Viale Linden 	I would like to finds more ways to promore your content
[11:29]	Zada Bury 	In the moment, I am more busy to think, in which catagory ...
[11:29]	Melvin Starbrook 	allready told two owners of adult clubs :))
[11:29]	Counter Landfall 	I would like Brett to attend one of our group mettings to give a presentation about this?
[11:29]	Melvin Starbrook 	Melvin Starbrook giglels
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[11:29]	Melvin Starbrook 	pity they arent in world
[11:29]	Brett 	Temperance...any text will need to be consistent with the guidelines so we would work with you on that one on one
[11:29]	Viale Linden 	As yall know - the destination Guide appears on the web and in search
[11:29]	Viale Linden 	It has good amount of impressions
[11:30]	Temperance Hax 	This is wonderful about Adult Destinations:) Tale Weavers will apply when we finish current art evetn
[11:30]	Hypatia Meili 	i hope th guidlines wont be secret
[11:30]	Viale Linden 	Brett ~ we should build up the category and introduce witha blog post
[11:30]	Hypatia Meili 	thats the game we we have been playing with search
[11:30]	Viale Linden 	We can get Innula's help to promote on SLuniverse
[11:31]	Viale Linden 	I want to give residents the power to promote themselves
[11:31]	Viale Linden 	You dont need LL to promote a special event
[11:31]	Counter Landfall 	Viale, loosen the tie in the forums and let people have good exchanges there so we dont have to go off world to discuss things?
[11:31]	Viale Linden 	We should celebrate adult content everyday
[11:31]	Innula Zenovka 	I'm just a poster there
[11:31]	Counter Landfall 	even adult discussions
[11:32]	Brett 	So, I realize many of you will want to follow up directly re: your specific venue -- so please either use the form, email or IM me and we'll follow up
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	counter - hold that forum thought
[11:32]	Temperance Hax 	thank you
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Brett
[11:32]	Brett 	thanks everyone!!!
[11:32]	Viale Linden 	Brett - please post a link to the form
[11:32]	Counter Landfall 	bye Brett and thanks
[11:32]	Innula Zenovka 	Thanks, Brett
[11:33]	Brett 	ok one sec for link
[11:33]	Viale Linden 	I am hoping to get some good content
[11:33]	Brett 	http://secondlife.com/my/forms/destinations.php
[11:33]	Viale Linden 	great
[11:33]	Viale Linden 	Thanks again
[11:33]	Brett 	and, if you don't see the venue live or hear back from us, feel free to email editor@lindenlab.com to follow up directly
[11:33]	Qie 	thanks Brett
[11:33]	Temperance Hax 	great news
[11:33]	Brett 	thanks again...bye everyone :)
[11:33]	Zada Bury 	*waves to Brett*
[11:33]	Melvin Starbrook 	thank you Brett
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	Brett is a star and really loves the SL community
[11:34]	Hypatia Meili 	be brett
[11:34]	Hypatia Meili 	by
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	ok
[11:34]	Zada Bury 	then he must love Zexpo ... sign is this year alsoa star ^.^
[11:34]	Viale Linden 	I want to take up Counter's concern about the forums?
[11:35]	Viale Linden 	counter?
[11:36]	Hypatia Meili 	consdering th rest of th SL websites , wht cant ther be a vefied section to to forums for adult topics, no that it should be anything goes.
[11:36]	Counter Landfall 	right
[11:36]	Counter Landfall 	the forums
[11:36]	Viale Linden 	That sounds interesting
[11:36]	Counter Landfall 	it kinda bugs me that I have to go to SLU to find out what is going on in SL
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	I will ping the forums folks and ask them to come to next meeting
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	I think that is a great idea
[11:37]	Counter Landfall 	the forums should be the natural location unless you want gossip
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	Just need to understand the issues
[11:37]	Hypatia Meili 	something else
[11:37]	Hypatia Meili 	can we expect beter enforcement in mature and PG since verfication is now easyer
[11:37]	Counter Landfall 	also there is restrictions on the nature on discussions because they need to be PG-13
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	Maybe I could have them attend next week
[11:37]	Viale Linden 	to discuss ideas
[11:38]	Qie 	It's a bit of a vulnerability for LL, too, to have a whole topic area be relegated to a third party forum over which LL has no say at all.
[11:38]	Counter Landfall 	if you mange to sell to adult verified in the marketplace, you should be able to open the forusm likewise?
[11:38]	Viale Linden 	The only concern is that spammers could take over the conversation
[11:39]	Hypatia Meili 	welthat stil hapens now without being adult (welthat style hapens nu utan wellbeing adult)
[11:39]	Viale Linden 	That would be a cool feature
[11:39]	Hypatia Meili 	like i said sohul not mean anything goes
[11:39]	Qie 	I mean, I like Cristiano and SLUniverse, but not everybody is required to feel the same way, and LL may not want to depend on Cristiano being a reasonable person.
[11:39]	Viale Linden 	adult verify to enter the adult forum
[11:39]	Hypatia Meili 	shold mean adult topic ar ok
[11:39]	Viale Linden 	yes
[11:39]	Innula Zenovka 	isn't that inherent in the situation, though, Qie? A lot of any discussions of SL are always going to happen on SLU or one of the other external forums because we can speak more freely there
[11:39]	Counter Landfall 	you basically have the code in SLM it only needs to be tweked a tad
[11:40]	Viale Linden 	let me investigate
[11:40]	Viale Linden 	Forums are on the parking loty
[11:40]	Viale Linden 	Anyone here going to submit a proposal for the adult gateway?
[11:40]	Counter Landfall 	we had a good discussion on it yesterday in the group meeting
[11:41]	Counter Landfall 	it needs more refinement, so we shall see ;-)
[11:41]	Temperance Hax 	adult o rnotis built into marketplace it may have to be stitche onto forums
[11:41]	Viale Linden 	We have not broadcasted loud, but I see others picking up the conversation
[11:41]	Hypatia Meili 	have you presented to any who donot atend this meeting?
[11:41]	Qie 	(Innula, yeah, you're probably right, re: forums)
[11:41]	Hypatia Meili 	becaus as far as i see the only 2 posblites here ar ZA or Zexpo
[11:42]	Viale Linden 	I want to give everyone a chance - just want to make sure the expeirence is welcoming
[11:43]	Couldbe 	If you have problems getting rid of them, split two off and I'll take the, off your hands.
[11:43]	Zada Bury 	Zada Bury drops a needle.
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[11:43]	Couldbe 	take them off your hands
[11:43]	Temperance Hax 	Well the use of zindra exclsively worie sme, those business who use the islands will work that
[11:43]	Counter Landfall 	under the Zindra name?
[11:44]	Temperance Hax 	and zexpo willbe an illegal name if they dont buy it? hehe
[11:44]	Storyof Oh 	you mea the aplication proposal is for a welcoming venue?
[11:44]	Viale Linden 	I also think the destination guide will open up adult a bit and if we dont go with a gateway that is fine too
[11:45]	Counter Landfall 	for a gatweay to be viable it needs to pay for itself
[11:45]	Couldbe 	A gateway would be good but let's face it, there's probably only a couple of names who have the resources to do it
[11:45]	Couldbe 	you're a couple of years too late
[11:45]	Storyof Oh 	so u sell to highest bidder?
[11:46]	Counter Landfall 	it actually needs to pay for the staff too
[11:46]	Storyof Oh 	yup w are all poor here nowLL saw to that;)
[11:46]	Innula Zenovka 	well, they might want to put together a consortium and sublet space on it..that's what i'd do if i had the resources
[11:46]	Hypatia Meili 	that just it payig for it and bein a public gate way are a bit in opostion to each other
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	The right entrpreneur will find a way to make it profitable
[11:47]	Temperance Hax 	Zindra being likea countries name im worried businesses cant be the zindra aquariums, wonder what would happen if we couldnt have the brighton aquariums
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	Not reall a welcome area - contingent upon the group providing a positive experience for all Residents interested in adult content
[11:47]	Zada Bury 	"profitable" meaning "boreing mall"
[11:47]	Viale Linden 	Zada ~ no one wants that
[11:47]	Counter Landfall 	no Zada (no Task Force on FDI)
[11:48]	Hypatia Meili 	there already ar existinfg uses of zindra in place names
[11:48]	Storyof Oh 	LL kills our businesses cuts off our income then after over a year expects us to buy our destiny for top dollar...
[11:48]	Viale Linden 	I would imagine the person could promote adult content
[11:48]	Hypatia Meili 	nevermind other stuff
[11:48]	Viale Linden 	other than their own goods
[11:48]	Zada Bury 	I know ... but ... well ... I would like to know other ideas for a self-paying area.
[11:48]	Qie 	Incidentally... is the mechanics to leave those sims in the Mainland estate, or to set up a separate estate for them? Would that be an option that could be proposed?
[11:48]	Storyof Oh 	no one can afford to run a charity sim
[11:49]	Viale Linden 	Qie - send me a proposal
[11:49]	Qie 	oh, I wish I could, Viale. But... I'm not the right guy for this one. Hoping Stroker or somebody steps up.
[11:50]	Storyof Oh 	and he doesnt need it
[11:50]	Qie 	(but I'll send an email later, explaining more about the "estate" business, and why it might matter)
[11:50]	Viale Linden 	The main motivation is to gett LL out of this as a middle person. The status quo of zindra sim is not sustainable without the lab help
[11:50]	?íss Zå??dz?í 	hello all
[11:50]	Counter Landfall 	he laughed it off in SLU
[11:50]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Qie
[11:50]	Counter Landfall 	and why put a financial drain on his business
[11:50]	Zada Bury 	((welcome Ludmilia))
[11:50]	Hypatia Meili 	well you not going to get sombidy to tak it on , unlesmaybe at substtail tier discount
[11:51]	Qie 	Counter, I missed that. that sucks. he could save a ton of fees this way.
[11:51]	Temperance Hax 	I have an idea if anyone needs one, but not the ability
[11:51]	Counter Landfall 	tier is not the main cost, the operation and keeping it vibrant is the big cost
[11:51]	Storyof Oh 	how qui? (how to?)
[11:52]	Hypatia Meili 	if you lkien tier to traxes , call it a tax break being a chraity
[11:52]	Temperance Hax 	Viale- Iwaned t ask abou tmotd and zexpo? (Viale-Iwaned ask abou t tmotd and zexp?)
[11:52]	Temperance Hax 	Zexpo is hugely good btw:) yay
[11:52]	Qie 	Story, he's paying Estate fees now, not Mainland tier... but he could get all the control he has now, plus a lock-in on promotion... I thought he was a better businessman than that.
[11:53]	Innula Zenovka 	where did he do that, Counter? not in the thread Qie started about it
[11:53]	Viale Linden 	We are promoting in destination guide
[11:53]	Counter Landfall 	we need to talk about that Viale
[11:53]	Innula Zenovka 	http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/virtual-business/63525-linden-issues-rfp-adult-gateway.html
[11:53]	Viale Linden 	counter?
[11:53]	Innula Zenovka 	he's not posted there
[11:54]	Couldbe 	that's not going to pay the bills - destination guide traffic is mainly for branding and not for sales by the look of it
[11:54]	Counter Landfall 	not here
[11:54]	Couldbe 	so it really is a freebie to LL being in the DG
[11:54]	Viale Linden 	send me an email
[11:54]	Viale Linden 	Search for zindra too
[11:55]	Qie 	Couldbe, I don't believe that. It's Siggy's experience, but then he cultivated it for a lark, as far as I could tell.
[11:55]	Melvin Starbrook 	hihi thank you :) (hihi thank you:))
[11:55]	Viale Linden 	Ok for next week - we will talk about Forums
[11:55]	Temperance Hax 	Iwas wondering about MOTD
[11:55]	Zada Bury 	(( that will take a while, Mel))
[11:55]	Melvin Starbrook 	hihi yes :) (hihi yes:))
[11:56]	Counter Landfall 	yes, the forums needs to be buzzing like they did
[11:56]	Couldbe 	read the sl forums and other slu threads - it seems to be a common theme through most - lots of traffic and not much in the way of sales
[11:56]	Viale Linden 	I will consider MOTD
[11:56]	Viale Linden 	Is Zexpo hurting for traffic?
[11:56]	Storyof Oh 	Temp you wont get adult promoted on MOTD
[11:56]	Counter Landfall 	yes, it haas been ranking on page 8 in the welcome DG
[11:56]	Temperance Hax 	nope
[11:56]	Zada Bury 	it's hurting my free time ^.^
[11:57]	Counter Landfall 	with 0-2 visitors showing
[11:57]	Couldbe 	the zexpo was I think but since phoenix people don't see it, it was probably a fizzer
[11:57]	Temperance Hax 	itsgoing great
[11:57]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[11:57]	Temperance Hax 	but why not let people know it is on
[11:57]	Storyof Oh 	hmm well if u do i will arrive naked next meeting lol
[11:57]	Counter Landfall 	the sims should be packed
[11:57]	Viale Linden 	We did blog about it
[11:57]	Viale Linden 	Can the Residents get the word out?
[11:57]	Viale Linden 	without LL?
[11:57]	Couldbe 	perhaps it was a blog post I saw
[11:57]	Innula Zenovka 	did anyone ask Phoenix/Firestorm about featuring it?
[11:57]	Temperance Hax 	that an error in the dg, we got heaps of people turning up
[11:57]	Counter Landfall 	Seriously Viale, Forbidden?
[11:58]	Couldbe 	no, because sl is designed in such a way that mass marketing is not possible
[11:58]	Viale Linden 	Innula ~ can you promote on SLuniverse?
[11:58]	Counter Landfall 	and the girl on the picture looks like she broke her neck
[11:58]	Temperance Hax 	I would like MOTD
[11:58]	Viale Linden 	Counter - can you promote to ZA?
[11:58]	Qie 	( last I noticed, the MOTD was something about a Japanese game "but fun is universal" ... seemed pretty expendable. )
[11:58]	Innula Zenovka 	anyone can promote stuff on SLU
[11:58]	Couldbe 	lol you are having a laugh aren't you?
[11:59]	Counter Landfall 	why would I? We were not wanted there ;-)
[11:59]	Viale Linden 	Let me discuss internally about MOTD
[11:59]	Counter Landfall 	but of course I can
[11:59]	Counter Landfall 	it is only 250 souls
[11:59]	Viale Linden 	cannot promise it
[11:59]	Couldbe 	if it's true you wanted the ZA to promise that they weren't going to grief the zexpo before they could have a stall, I'd say that promoting it to the group would be like inviting all those griefing group members to have some fun
[11:59]	Counter Landfall 	and half of them are there laready
[12:00]	Innula Zenovka 	if anyone from Zexpo wants to promote it SLU Events, then Cristiano will be happy, I am sure
[12:00]	Innula Zenovka 	it in
[12:00]	Temperance Hax 	Maybe yu missed Counter doesnt want Zexpo and hates idea, he mentioned inthe minutes of your first meeting about 5 times
[12:01]	Temperance Hax 	thank you Viale:)
[12:01]	Counter Landfall 	ZA has never said anything about notwanting zexpo
[12:01]	Counter Landfall 	we have discussed the sue of the sims and the zexpo group
[12:01]	Viale Linden 	ok sounds like a cliff hanger
[12:01]	Counter Landfall 	not the event
[12:01]	Viale Linden 	lets drop that
[12:01]	Temperance Hax 	ty Innula (Innula Company)
[12:01]	Temperance Hax 	you putit inthe agenda
[12:02]	Temperance Hax 	maybe dont make agenda points yu dont agree with in future:)
[12:02]	Viale Linden 	However, would like to see some resident movement about promoting these events
[12:02]	Temperance Hax 	ok
[12:02]	Couldbe 	well the next time there's an adult content event we'll be sure to promote it
[12:02]	Viale Linden 	Thanks all for attending
[12:02]	Counter Landfall 	I suggest you update the headline displayed in DG to be more inviting
[12:02]	Innula Zenovka 	http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/events/
[12:02]	Zada Bury 	Thank you for the time Vial ... see you on ZEXPO ... 12N Discusson: Roleplay on Adult Sims
[12:02]	Temperance Hax 	chat lag (IM team)
[12:02]	Qie 	thanks Viale
[12:02]	Counter Landfall 	and you alos put ina picture that invites to both men and women
[12:02]	Zada Bury 	e (and)
[12:03]	Temperance Hax 	thanks Viale hugely positive steps forward (Hugely positive steps forward thanks Viale)
[12:03]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks Viale
[12:03]	Temperance Hax 	much to celebrate
[12:03]	Counter Landfall 	cheers Viale (cheers Avenue)
[12:03]	Melvin Starbrook 	thank you Viale :)
[12:04]	Zada Bury 	*whispers* At least we have then a funny victim tor the guillotine this time
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