H.I. Star Wars: The Last Jedi Christmas Special

"H.I. Star Wars The Last Jedi Christmas Special" is a Hello Internet bonus episode and the podcast's fourth annual Christmas special, released on December 25, 2017. Unlike the previous Hello Internet Christmas specials, it is not included in the podcast's main chronology.
==Official Description==
Grey and Brady discuss The Last Jedi. (With minor spoilers for The Wizard of Oz)
This episode is brought to you entirely by listeners like you on Patreon. Merry Christmas!
==Other==
You knew it was coming and here it is. It's becoming a little bit too much of a pattern. I don't know if I like this Brady now people are really expecting it this year right once is a fluke twice as a pattern and then the third is the one that they expect, so I'm not sure we can keep this up forever for a variety of reasons, but this year is the third annual one.
What's this one called The Last Jedi up very well done Brady? Yep. That's the day with the movie number eight of the Core Series yet of the new Trilogy. I think was it on Twitter or someone someone told me that like Disney has rebranded the old Trilogy as something like Star Wars Legends. That's the phrase that they want to use to describe the original trilogy, which if that is the case?
I'm going to 100% reject that idea. I nope nope is the original trilogy. I'm not going to call it Star Wars Legends not gonna happen. I had someone talking about the original film from 1977 and they just casually said yeah, it's been 40 years, and I was like. Oh my God that who was 40 years old forty-year-old film wow there's something strange about how old movies can be it sounds dumb to say out loud, but I guess what I mean is how old can a movie that is still?
An acceptably modern issue looking movie be and the answer is getting pretty close to fifty years at this point you can watch a movie. That's fifty years old and feel like yeah, it's a modern enough movie. It doesn't stand out as something like from 1930 so yeah time passes this all by the reaper approaches every day.
I tell you a film. That's really old that has stood the test of time. The Wizard of Oz. Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean it you watch it, and it is old, but there's something about it. That's very Timeless like it looks like a really old, but 1939. That's 200 years old this point. It's remarkably it is quite remarkable, and I'd still watch that you know I'd look at it think I yet Charming on film, but still a good film after watch out for those monkeys.
Anyway, when I hit talk about The Wizard of Oz every week I got a bit off track and you just a spoiler there with your monkey line. I'm sorry. I guess I guess I'll put it in the show notes. There's of minor spoiler for the whip Eric Berry spoiler before we start talking about Return of the Jedi engaged like total into total spoilers own.
I have to say I did think of you a lot today when I went watched partly because. Both before and after the field I went to Five Guys, and I always think of you, and I go to Five Guys because I know you love it so much although. I I went for my traditional bacon cheese dog right right, and I did enjoy them.
That's not paid for by the way people Five Guys bacon cheese dog or do it all again. I can never fall 2-man for his eating habits in the movie. Because it wasn't in the movie. It was before and after I was like got a big bag of sweeties. Hahaha OK, but like I think I slightly misinterpreted what you were saying there.
I guess I can extend movie calorie forgiveness to an hour. I yeah, I'm like an hour before and an hour afterward. Yeah, I think yeah, that's it window of time when calories don't count there, and if you have some kind of horrific eating disorder you may eat three or four. Gigantic tubs of popcorn while you're sitting there watching like just just in theory, but this has ever happened brought to you by big popcorn well.
Also the other reason. I thought of you and I know you think this is like means nothing and it does mean nothing. Okay. I saw it in quite an empty Cinema, and I went for the Posh seats was comfy and at the end of my row. Was sitting another guy watching it alone who I swear was your doppelganger earlier.
I almost took a picture of him to show you but it was too dark. It was crazy how much he looked like you. Huh I've never seen someone who I thought oh that guy over there. He looks like grey list. I was like wow I feel like I'm with my to check our times because I watched it today in a theater.
That was it was just me alone in the theater in like with her Brady Force Coast or astral projection sitting next to him in the back row watching this movie. It's quite possible that maybe we were having a little Force moment together watching the movie. Maybe that's what happened. I was on a plane on a while ago, and there was someone sitting near me who looked like.
Why don't you and I texted them and said someone who looks just like yours on my plane, and they said okay, and then I took a sneaky picture and sent it to them by a message, and they looked at the photo and said my God that does look like me anyway. There's no picture so no phones in the movie theater breathing only if you're like me and iPad on your lap to take notes on no phones, but like a mini computer is perfectly fine.
I was using my fine tonight X. Ah naughty Brady very naughty. Well, it's got to be done. Yeah, so anyway. Let's crack on how we going to do this review, which we're so bad at this know every year. It's the same thing then why are we talking about The Wizard of Oz or My Doppelganger? It's because I never know how to warm up to these things as per usual.
This is my second viewing the movie, so I saw it once yesterday, and then once this morning to take notes i k and I think once again you have seen it for the first. I'm on the day is that right that's cropped. I've just seen a few hours ago. Just to give people the like place in time where we are I think again.
There's this weird thing that happens. We're on movies people's opinions tend to converge very quickly, so we're just like walking out of the movie. I went into it pretty spoiler-free, and I haven't heard anybody talk about it with exclusion of my wife who I saw it with for the first time and so now now I'm going to talk to you about the movie Brady.
I also was spoiler-free. I had seen the trailers, but I can still consider myself to be pretty spoiler-free and. I know very little about how it went down, but I have got a vague idea of what reviewers and fans have thought just in a very vague kind. This is what people think kind of way, but I have not been shaped by that in any way interesting.
I know you're used to lament on your own so Brady the thing I guess we have to do is we have to do this the way Brady wants it Brady. Yeah, what did you think? Of Star Wars The Last Jedi there are two things. I want to say from the outset OK like an opening statement here. Yeah, there are two overarching things.
I want to say one is very big picture overarching like in the context of the whole series of Star Wars films, and one is my broad sweeping overview of this particular film my big overall Star Wars thing. I want to say is that people listening have different feelings about star. Some younger listeners don't care at all some of our older listeners.
Don't care at all some people are like us and I grew up with a and it's a really big part of their life, and I'm that like to me. I grew up with a it's really important to me. It's like a big part of my childhood, and I don't think I'm the Lone Ranger because Star Wars has become very much part of the culture of our planet hasn't everyone knows who Darth Vader is and knows what the fuck May the force be with you, so I don't feel stupid.
Holding star was in a special place in my heart. I don't feel like that makes me too weird right right so I love my Star Wars, and as they make more and more of these films, and I felt it today watching the new one and I know how silly this sounds because All-Star was his fiction, but I'm beginning to feel a bit like.
You're just making stuff up now. Just keep it going. It's like there's the Canon that was the real like what really happened, and now it's like I'll come on you just making stuff up to make money now. I am with you one hundred like I understand that feeling entirely and related to that I saw in the news recently that Amazon announced that they're going to be doing a TV series based on the Lord of the Rings.
That was essentially like I wouldn't have quite put it in those words. You've articulated something in my head that I was thinking, but that is exactly what I was thinking about the TV show is like. Oh, okay, so you're just going to make up a bunch of stuff right as opposed to the room stuff that happened at Middle Earth right as opposed to the actual mythology of England.
You're just going to make up some nonsense for your TV show like that's ridiculous, so yeah, I love that phrase because I that has click something in my head that I was thinking about something else and I can completely see how. You feel about that as the modern post Lucas sale of Star Wars as that era has come upon us that is like.
Oh, they're just making up stuff now yeah now on the film itself. I would say My overall feeling is probably more negative than positive, but my main feeling is one of. Overall man I was a bit bored by her and the thing that was most telling to me was afterwards when I walked out. I just didn't think about it, but if you'd like a film or you hate a film you're thinking a lot about it, and you can't wait to talk to people about it, and there's so many things on your mind and your minds buzzing and I walked out of the cinema.
That's like. I just fell out of my head hmm so that it made very little impression on me, and that's incredible because ultimate spoiler alert who would have thought that five minutes after seeing Luke Skywalker die. I would just forget about it and not care, but I did I was like. And that driving home is it come on bread you've got to think about this film.
You got to talk to gray go to have interesting insights and opinions, and it was a real effort to build up a lot of care about it hmm and one last criticism, and this is my criticism of the film besides the fact. I thought was boring which is a pretty big criticism for putting that aside. Yeah, looking down my points, and I know most of my points will be negative because that's just how.
Things work, you know they were good things about the film, but when I looked through my negative points one thing that seems to join a lot of them together and annoyed me on multiple occasions was our galaxy. Leaking into their Galaxy. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, there are lots of little references and mannerisms or things that happen that I felt like hang on a second.
Yeah, this has been written in our galaxy. Yeah, this wasn't written in their Galaxy. I'm gonna back you up on that and that on very many levels from big things down to very minor things. Yeah, that is actually my very first. Note is related to something that happens in the beginning of now. I feel like as I know what this is going to pay.
Yeah. It's an hour our universe moment there anyway before we get into all the point-by-point hmm odd, man wenjing. Yeah, what's big picture from Gray? What context should I be hearing your thoughts in? Yeah, so. Do backup I think it's interesting that I went into this movie. Totally spoiler-free because I didn't spend any real energy this year trying to avoid Star Wars boilers.
I was aware in previous movies feeling like I was trying to avoid stuff and failing maybe because of podcast co-host made me watch a trailer or because people just wanted to talk about a thing and I would see it. I don't know what that is an indication of but I just think it is interesting that I.
It didn't feel like I needed to try to avoid anything and I walked into the movie. Just totally cold. I hadn't even seen the poster of the movie. I don't know if that is just our world getting much better with spoiler culture, which I would hope it would give me a spark of hope Brady if our culture is getting much better about spoilers, or if it was just a kind of like weird indifference on my part.
I don't know. I just think it's no worthy ok, but so. when you say. Math I think that there is there is something. I have that as a parallel feeling which I had after our last year special, which is this feeling that there is now going to be Star Wars forever hmm and this has. Changed something and also a thing that over the course of our podcasts.
I've been mentioning a little bit more and more is that like the changing industry of how these things are produced and it's like a background radiation in my mind that I kind of can't get rid of the like our universe concerns about cinematic universes, and how we're movies made and especially how are long Mega series may like what is the mechanics of this I've had conversations.
With people like in the industry looking at the horrible sausage behind all of it, and I do feel like that has polluted my mind a little bit that is the background as for this movie. This movie to me. Was Spaceballs the movie I feel like I had a little bit of a roller coaster with this movie where I felt like things were totally off for a while like I couldn't quite get into it for a bunch of reasons.
We'll get into and then at some point. It. Just kind of clicked in my head that this feels like the people who made Spaceballs wanted to make a really serious Star Wars movie, and they mostly did it, but there's like a Spaceballs Enos leaking through. And when that clicked in my head I actually enjoyed the movie more like my expectations went from nothing to really low, and then I felt like oh I can kind of enjoy this movie.
But then I had the same kind of problems as you like I found it sort of boring. This is sort of unintentionally funny through my eyes. I enjoyed watching it more than Rogue one which I really didn't like but I don't think it's a very good movie, and I think that this has now reached the point where it doesn't feel like Star Wars anymore and a lot of my notes are trying to figure out like what?
Has occurred so that's my overall feeling of the movie ok can have a lot of upset people out there at the moment. I bet oh yeah, okay, so now you're making me nervous. Do you think that the fan consensus is that people liked it? This is what I've heard. I don't know and I've seen is that critics quite liked the film ok, but a lot of Star Wars fans havin that actually could work with some of what you just said, but that could work for us ivillage.
I'm still getting. Messages and feedback from people who want to violently disagree with me about Road one. Let's talk about Road when at the end because I'm one of them and this film has changed me even more about Rogue, but that's my final point I'd like to discuss again, so let's deal with the film at hand and can I start at the very beginning.
Please go right ahead because the last few Star Wars films that I've seen particularly Force awakens that moment when. You have the Silence of lucasfilm, and then there's the band The Star Wars comes up in the ferry like I got tingles when that happened previous times like it's I think probably even happened when the prequels came out.
I was like yeah Star Wars his back and caused a real excitement this time, and I don't know maybe it was my mood. I don't know this time for the first time. I found a bit cringe hmm. I was like waiting for it to happen, and then when it finally happened man like I was sort of waiting for. A big loud noise.
I don't know if Camp is the word, but it felt like like a parody of itself. It's about like I bet they had a big loud noise at the start of Spaceballs right. Yeah, it felt like a bit of a joke of itself this time. This was at a point where I was completely neutral about how good or bad the film was going to be, but I didn't get that feeling this time this time.
I felt a bit embarrassed by it, and I don't know if it's because it's being overused and it's now it's not special anymore. I can't explain it, but that's the feeling I had I was like. Right how far out so you went from the literal first note. Yeah, I kind of winced. I don't know what it was.
Sorry, this is what happened the first fam still worked on me right. I just like ya go Serengeti some stuff. We had load, and then we had the traditional pan down and for the first time in a while. They didn't try to be overly creative with it. They just went pretty standard, which was yeah, she was knife.
There's a nice changeup so the thing that you might expect is my first note on. This is Spaceballs the phone call where we see our first order ships in the sky. They're chasing. The resistance you know like the classic Star Wars set up. There's a Chase between this the ships, and then the single fighter appears with Poe right.
That's the guys name, and he's like stalling for time, and he calls the lead. Ship you calling General hux, and yeah, it's like okay. You movie is opening dramatic scene and they start off with a joke, which is essentially a joke about like FaceTiming with your mom a little bit. Yeah, or mobile phone reception not quite working.
Yeah, it's like always calling for General hux and like Po is messing with him right. He's pretending. That he can't hear the guy to like wind him up and it's like okay. I can kind of go along with that like a version of this that I think worked was in the the first movie in his first appearance.
He makes fun of kilos. Helmet right like a talking. There is like. I can't hear you with that help like any makes a joke of it. It's like OK. This is totally in character, but the thing that bothered me was not so much the joke. It's the script language right he says. I'm holding for General sucks, and he says okay.
I like I'll hold I'm still on hold and maybe it's just a minor thing, but that just really could clunks wrong in my brain with the language like it's the Laker. Yeah. It's the leaking that's going to come up again and again is the leaking of our galaxy into their Galaxy that might sound like a minor thing, but I really do think it matters hmm.
It's like. How do you maintain a suspension of disbelief suspension of disbelief breaks when you? Either reality of the thing to clearly and this is one of those moments like using this language to say like I am on hold and oh can you hear me? Can you hear me? I'm OK. I know exactly what we're doing we're doing the thing that I've done a million times like talking on cell phones or whatever, then they sort of go back into it, but he makes a joke about like oh I have an Urgent Message for General hux mother.
Yeah, well got you mama jo yeah, that's put his like is that okay, okay? I mean, maybe I could have let that slide was like that. Bind with the hold it almost feels like it's temp dialogue that they just left in and there's another theme, which I think is going to come up for me again and again as aside from The Real World leaking into the Star Wars world.
I think somebody had a directive in this movie to not let any serious scene hold so. Over and over in this movie. They have serious scene and they like end it with the joke or they have to have a joke that like breaks the tension too soon is like over and over and over again. That's a thing that happens, and I feel like this was again like right off the bat.
I felt a little bit off-kilter. I was a little bit in disbelief at the the opening mood setting joke of the movie, and so it continues on from here. It's also. Seems to me very much like people have said one of the things that worked so well in the force awakens was the use of humor right and it was there was so many funny moments in the force awakens that were just done perfectly they just got it right, and it feels like they were over encouraged by that and someone said oh ok this is how this works now.
I have to be funny, and it's a bit like. You know how when a little kid does something funny, and everyone says, I you're really funny little kid, and then the kids Arts doing it too much, and it's not really funny anymore, but they get encouraged because the adults think they're good and funny are you've given them positive feedback and now they start dumb like humor babbling in every direction waiting to see what they hit on yeah, that's what's happened here so that they've got to encouraged by all the positive feedback about the humor in the force awakens.
I know they go. Oh cool. Let's do it. Let's and it's like Nana. You got a dial that back. You know and it's also the case of. Explicit jokes as opposed to humor coming from a situation and it's like okay. I can see someone like put the joke in here, and I'll yeah okay, right well. Let's get into this space battle.
Then shall we another comment. I've got early on and it's another thing that happens early in the film and another criticism of the film. It sort of goes away eventually, but it is it happens too much that is the film is to slapstick hmm like Finn falling out of his bed, and his water suit leaking everywhere very weird like.
There are quite a few moments that felt to slapstick and like the film was not taking itself seriously, and I'm like the time that happens. This is a serious battle and. Thousands of lives seem to be at stake, and we're having like Joe key moments walking around with water leaking out, that's supposed to be this is like yeah, Three Stooges.
This is classic. I don't know I felt like the film was not. Serious enough a lot of the time. There's a couple of space battle, so I can't quite pleased which one this happens in but I think a good example of that like okay, so so fin wakes up, and he's in a comical water leaking out bag that makes no sense at all to think about it for two seconds.
There's also a scene in the movie where Poe is running to his X-Wing because he wants to go save the day and the whole hanger filled with several dozens of people explodes like and he's knocked out of the hanger, and it's a bad moment, but they immediately follow it up with like.
We want to immediately plant the question of how does bb8 reattach his head and the answer is in a slightly humorous manner? That's how he does select just forget about that entire cargo bay filled with Rebels that just got blown up sort of reasonably early in the film. We go to. Luke Skywalker Island and this was another place which I had a few notes about I don't know how long we're going to talk about this blue milk teat saying.
Oh God. It's really gross. We just not going to talk about that because that was just dumb and unnecessary is an example of the movie feeling like it needs to do with thing this is also now like okay, so we are depending on how you want to count it right where either five or eight movies in and the movie feeling like it needs to have the beats every.
Time and it starts getting weird or like you just don't want those beats anymore as I okay. We're going to have to have blue milk. Oh, we're going to have to have poor poor kins dies every time immediately in his X-Wing like every movie. He's there just eternally dying and this one with the blue milk was just so.
Weird it's a moment where again what I was wondering is like has anybody in the Star Wars Universe ever called it milk, or is that just what the fans referred to it as and then the studio executives are going. Oh people love the blue milk. Let's keep going with this and now let's really show that it's actually milk from this disgusting semi humanoid creature.
It was really unnecessary. You know I'd like so I was a special guy. I shouldn't have to see him. Milking the teat of some weird monster, and then have blue milk or coming down to be some disgusting gives real look like he's doing it on purpose to be gross, which makes the whole scene even weirder.
That's really defiling my members like I okay. I mean just imagine Brady when you were a little boy and watching Star Wars, and they said don't worry some day forty years in the future there will be new Star Wars movies, and you'll get to see the Further Adventures of Luke. What will he be doing?
He'll be milking a sort of Cal creature and getting milk all down his beard. That's what he'll be doing there was also a moment early on on Luke Skywalker Island where we see another moment of our galaxy leaking into their Galaxy in a really matter way that made me even more uncomfortable than the other ways and that was when Luke Skywalker dismissively referred to laser sword.
Yep. Yeah instead of a lightsaber. That's like a way that Star Wars fans would de ride. Muggles because they don't know what a lightsaber isn't they decide laser soon and Luke Skywalker's using that terminology to derive people for not understanding Jedi's. It's just too meta for me. It was like it just really took me out of everything like oh hang on.
This is weird Luke Skywalker's shouldn't say laser sword. I don't know if I'm right about that, but I feel like there's a Lucas ISM there that like George Lucas would call them laser swords as a joke and then there becomes the thing, but there are so many times in the movie where I found myself running this metacognition Loop of like has anyone in Star Wars ever said.
Word laser as like ya know OK. They have said the word laser, so it's not unreasonable that he would use the word laser sort in a jokey way, but like why am I running this Loop in my head at all trying to like cast back yeah, and it's because I'm constantly presented with things that feel unstar War Z, and I'm trying to like back fit against the original.
Holy Trilogy. This is what's occurring and I think that the movie even in a meadow way is again. In this distracting way talking directly to the audience where they have this recurrent theme of like let old things die right like let Luke Skywalker die like let the Empire dine like I feel like you're talking directly to me director in a way that is also.
Uncomfortable just constantly running this metal Loop of like what is this movie doing? I was very aware of that as a theme in the movie like let the old things go it may be what I have a feeling like there was some kind of director disagreement between this movie and the force awakens, but we can get to that at a later Point around this time by the way.
There is one saying that was almost a nice sane and then that got ruined by something that. Just didn't sit right with me, and that's when Luke goes into the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon and like switches on the lights. Yeah, but for a moment. This is great moment where you see this classic old cockpit, and there's Luke now.
You know ravaged by time and at for a few seconds. It was really poignant, and I thought now that's working for me. Yeah, and then they went and did this dice on the dashboard thing which becomes this important Han Solo momento, which I've researched a bit. But really they're trying to manufacture a hand sole object here that is really scraping the bottom of the barrel and it never worked with me through the film.
It was supposed to be this special. Item that touched us at multiple points through the film, but didn't land with make it well Luke, Skywalker Island. Is a weird place especially on the second rewatch, because I was aware of being confused of the timeline a little bit in the first one like how long does raise spend on Luke Skywalker Highland?
How long is she there getting training. I don't think she was very trained. I think it was more of a TED Talk. Yeah, like I'll put training in quotes by better looking at it as like okay at a bare minimum. She's there for three days if the day-night cycle is to be believed on this planet, but the way the movie is cut like what's happening on Luke Skywalker island is cut with the main storyline in a way that they can't be happening at the same time.
You're seeing Luke Skywalker Island in a compressed format while the main plot is this going on. I imagine she was there for a few weeks for some reason, but who knows how long she? There I'm just trying to like what is the minimum because the first time I was watching it. I had a little bit messed up in my head, and I was thinking okay.
There's this space Chase going on and she she's just arrived, but the space Chase maybe lasted like 18 hours, so like. What was she there for three hours. I Luke Skywalker Island like you know got an inspiring talk, and then headed back. She was clearly there for a little while longer. I don't know how did you feel about seeing Luke again?
I felt similar to how I felt about layer in the force awakens like at almost. The toll that age has taken on the actors. Is so great and shocking hmm that it's very hard to slip back into the film hmm. You're thinking Carrie Fisher Mark Hamill no. It's been 40 years, and I'm thinking how old is Mark Hamill now.
He must have been about 18 when making hay in so doing that math in your head. Yeah, and instead of like being lost in the film and the magic of Luke Skywalker. I'm thinking you know gosh. He looks like a hobo and I got up a camel like he seems like a fun guy online and you know he's a bit of a legend of course.
He's a legend of my childhood, but I don't know maybe you know some things are best left as Golden Memories haven't tarnished I was. Distracted by his appearance throughout the mill I found it very distracting. What about you? I think I just had a little bit of a hard time buying Luke the mentor. I think you have to do that a lot of like mental back filling in of what has occurred over this period of time, but there is something in my mind, which is disjointed where a psycho the last time.
I saw Luke. He was still kind of like you know a kid with some tousled hair. And he was also later one talks about how he's the Great Master, but even like at the end of Return of the Jedi when he liked saved the Galaxy on the Death Star and all that he still kind of looked and he was a bit young.
It's a major plot point in those movies that he is ridiculously under prepared for what he's doing. Right they bailed it out by the skin of their teeth and he is not some amazing Jedi Master at the end of that movie now. He's not like Yoda and stuff that he's not top level he's just like a he just got lucky in the Super Bowl got a fluky touchdown at the end yeah, and the entirety of that great victory was undone the preceding time so we can have another sequence of movies, but yeah, there was something about him in the like.
Oh you're going to be Obi-Wan Kenobi role. Then I felt like I don't know I just I had a little bit of a hard time buying him as the mentor. I know he ran this Temple and everything went wrong with Kyle Iran, but we've seen so little of that that it's kinda. It is just like oh you just telling me stories about what her although.
I do have to say that as I small detail. I did like that they flashback to the event like the pivotal night when Kyla ran and Luke Skywalker. Have a fight in the whole Temple burns down. I did like you know because of my obsession with you can't trust your memories. I liked how they showed that scene 3.
Front ways depending on the person who was telling the story yeah like when Kyle Wren remembers the moment like Luke Sizer are filled with rage I can eat, and he's coming down like I thought that was quite nice because that just illustrates a thing that happens in real life like people remember things differently and it like you keep remembering it gets built up in different ways and it did make me.
Somewhat not trust Luke's retelling of the version of what happened. He says like there was a thing that happened a long time ago, and like who knows now what the real events were so while we're still on Luke Skywalker Island. What are your thoughts about the helpers? He has that do all that the construction work and also the cute little Audrey's that run all around the island, Okay, so.
the Frog nuns who live on that island. That to me was laughable that was really I think when like the word Spaceballs was entering my brain is just like this is weird and the way they cut to them like they just pop out of nowhere. It seems like oh suddenly. There's a bunch of helper frog nuns on this island.
There's terrible. They should have been no one because the first time I saw those Stone Huts. I was just imagining Luke building them over twenty or thirty years, and yeah, this code of existence that he'd been having and I quite liked that I quite liked the thought that he's just there alone tending to these huts.
Fighting the elements and all of sudden. We've got all these like assistance and helpers yeah, he has a bunch of maids like doing the laundry or whatever. They're up to it was very weird because yeah like it's a much better thing if he's there on his own like. Losing his mind a little bit or becoming really detached.
It's gone from having banished himself to a Rocky island sort of for the sake of the Galaxy to him going to a resort in Galway, or he's on a Greek Isle somewhere in a Convent and as I was the most unfun double place in the universe, but there's a bunch of nuns here. You know and like they must have some kind of interaction with the outside like it was very weird, and I hated them.
I thought they looked comical they just look stupid that looked prequel. Yeah, I don't I don't know if I would say that because I bet though those are physical costumes. Yeah, yeah, but they look like Spaceballs to me right like if Space Balls had to make up what you're going to have in a Convent.
This is what you would do, and they are another example of a scene that I thought was like oh, here's a scene that is actually pulling at me a little bit, which is. Luke Skywalker is not training Ray. She decides that she's essentially going to be training herself so in the morning while she's practicing her fighting with her staff.
She takes out the lightsaber and she starts fake attacking this rock outcropping, and they used the ray theme, which I really like I feel like this is the best music out of the new movies and Luke is coming up behind her and he sees that she like she is going to train herself with or without his help.
You know when the music is swelling, and it's and it's all great and then once again like what happens. Year, she accidentally cuts the stone statue in front of her so the stone rolls down the hill and knocks over a cart full of laundry from one of these nuns and then the two nuns look up at her like in the really annoyed and say why did you put in a physical slapstick joke?
At what is maybe one of the more dramatic pivotal scenes like what is here? There's another example that gray about five minutes before that happens, which again shows this films. Inability to have the comic timing that the previous one had and that is that important moment when Ray hands the lightsaber to Luke.
Oh my she was the end of the previous film. We would dying to know what the first thing Luke said or did would be and he does that you know comic throw it over my shoulder which I think they thought would have people like rolling in the aisles laughing, and maybe it could have worked if the timing was done better, but just the way it was cut and done.
Was Dreadful though, I kind of blinked the first time that that happened the first on my first viewing and the first time I saw there were a bunch of people in the theater and everybody was like uproariously laughing like goofing an era, and I sort of missed it, but I remember thinking in my head like a what a bunch of cretin Zike in this theater like a flying at this thing, but then when I was able to watch it closely the second time like no that was clearly shot.
To be a joke yeah, like they said to him toss it over your shoulder in a funny way. It was clearly supposed to be funny. Yeah like it was supposed to be a visual gag, but just like that was not a time for joking. This is such a moment being reunited with this light saber Ray this character that as viewers.
We all completely love meeting Luke Skywalker for the first time, but this was such a big names like I've seen Luke Skywalker throw away a light sort light sword great. Now. It's infecting my brain right I see Luke Skywalker, throw away a lightsaber in a.
I think that there are directors or scriptwriters having a disagreement with stuff. That was set up in the force awakens and what is going to happen in this movie. Yeah, and that lightsaber over the shoulder as I okay that to me feels like a director is screwing with another director like we're going to take your dramatic moment and the hell with.
There's a whole bunch of stuff with like the evil emperor guy will get to its like that feels like they just decided to discard. What was happening before this stuff with Ray's parents where it's like. Oh, I think we're going to change all of that there were a whole bunch of things that just felt like like I can feel the studio disagreement in the background about what's going to occur and that lightsaber throw was was totally one of those things now other thing on Luke Skywalker island is okay, all of the little Puffin creatures who are around the audreys.
Steroid receptor fact. They're not Audrey. They're like little Puffin creatures. Yeah, they look. Nothing like Audrey like that. He doesn't that Audrey does not look like those little things. Yeah, they were super cute. I sort of didn't mind them like even look you need to have something. That's a CGI creature as you can sell a thousand merchandise copies of you got a salafi fluffy toys, Dania.
Yeah, you need any work, and that's fine like I have no problem with that. I understand. This is how this works, and I thought they were pretty well done like they're believable cute little creatures. That's fine. Yeah, where it felt like the world is. King in is the scene where chewy is going to eat one of them.
I can he's cooked it up to be a perfect little chicken, and yeah, it is a cute scene that the little Puffin features are all horrified that Chuy's about to eat one of their own, and they're looking at him with these big sad eyes as I it's sort of works for me except that like later in the movie.
They make another point with animals and it it just starts to feel like I don't know. It's just it feels like something from the outside world is leaking in here. And I'm thing like what's chewy supposed to eat like presumably he didn't hunt down one of those little creatures just for fun like I think he hunted it down because he was hungry like was he supposed to do.
Yeah. It. Just rubbed me a little the wrong way. It's like. It's a joke outside the thing they're gray is like the horse had bolted. He's killed and skinned and got a thing so him having this life crisis a conscience deciding not to eat it like I think it State lighting up. I can't imagine them all that looking thinking.
I'll go on like give our friend a break like it. Too late for your friend yeah, he's already gone and actually where there were two of them because it was another one who was on the fire still are there was something in this moment where it's like maybe because of other things in the movie. I felt like my sensitivity was was turned up a little high, but it felt like one of the scriptwriters was trying to like get it on record like oh, it's Canon now that she's a vegetarian.
Uh you can't have chili vegetarian his weakness for meat as a great part of Return of the gentle of course you can't it's ridiculous and again. I may be reading that too far, but it just like. Combined with other things. I don't think I am I feel like there was a joke there about like oh Choo. He's not going to eat meat anymore on the subject of Chewbacca.
Just quickly because that's my next note on my list. I felt he was strangely underused and an Engaged in this whole film. He could have just not been in the film for all I care. You know when when he shows up and Luke goes chewy right that was my exact thought. I'd like hey. I totally forgot you were here, but he doing here buddy.
He never really. Is needed like later on they give him the Millennium Falcon to fly a little bit, but yeah, I think this is a recurring problem with a bunch of characters is like they have a bunch of people who if you think about it. Don't really do anything, and Chewy's definitely one of those characters like he's just there because you need chewy to be there in the movie, but it doesn't feel like he's participating in any way like chewy felt like he did just about as much as C-3PO does like CT Rio is there her but he's not really contributing in any meaningful way.
So other things happen on Luke Skywalker Island throughout the film, so let's deal with some more of them hmm. We've got these Jedi texts in a tree. Yeah, which seems unnecessary new items although if there's some illusion later in the film, maybe that they're going to play a role later. I don't know, but we also have this kind of unexpected and unnecessary appearance of Yoda, I mean either they like the weird tree of life that has the books in it, okay fine.
Whatever Luke deciding he's going to be the last jet I think his reasoning seems confused about that, but like okay, whatever. He's been living alone on this island. Oh wait. No. He hasn't he's been tended to by the monks, but whatever again keep moving. But Yoda showing up for the first little bit.
I kind of loved it because it was the old Yoda it was a good-looking Yoda. That's one of my positives. I said by this film. They got a good Yoda Yoda didn't look bad. I commended love that he burns down the temple and when they cut back to Yoda his little feet are pumping up and down like he is just like this is the funniest thing in the world like he has burned down this thousand generation old Jedi Temple like totally.
The loans right like there's a little thing that I genuinely loved is just that segment of the appearance of Yoda like he did nothing else that would have been perfect. I don't I could well I didn't notice the little. Dance that you're referring to when the movie comes out on BluRay like someone's got to make a gift of that for me.
He's like peeing his pants with Joy about burning this down just to get Lukes goat. I don't like that. He did that though. I didn't like that part of the film. That's when I ceased enjoying Yoda's appearance one. I don't believe that Force ghosts should be able to intervene in the natural world like that.
Yeah, that is one thing which is a little bit like new mechanisms in the movie ok Force Coast can interact with the real world s interesting and new and certainly would be useful. At certain circumstances, but okay, and I also just don't like that he did it. I don't like that he be burned that tree down and even though.
I don't care about the tree or the text like it doesn't seem like something. He should do to teach Luke a lesson like I don't know it just seemed. Out of character, I don't mind a bit of Whimsy and Mayo don't get me wrong, but the actual thing he did saying I know that I am going to destroy that tree and burn the text just so that Luke can have a learning moment that ruined the Odis, and then I was like oh.
Okay, that was weird what I was largely worried about is. What are those poor nuns going to think about this. I know like when they were talking two thousand Generations like presumably. It was those frog nuns. Who've been maintaining it for a thousand generations and like what do they think about this like well screw them once again who cares what they think about this like we're just gonna burn down their Temple OK where frogmen I did have a nice little objectivity moment.
They would look with showing the text so Ray. And he's wearing gloves and stuff. I was like I couldn't even think of think of my little lazy making Adventures. There was very objectivity. I wouldn't have thought about that, but yeah, I see right it's like got it touch it with the gloves even though.
That's worse so the idea saying I liked that what you had and looked like but it also just didn't add anything to the film and like it just seemed like also one thing Yoda said I didn't like this is another leak. He called them page Turners. Yeah, I caught that too early. I actually kind of like the joke that Luke hasn't read the books.
Yeah, it's just in character Luke wouldn't read those books now. You're right. That was alright the fact. He hadn't read them was alright, but then when Yoda said Paige tennis. He may as well have said well. They're not exactly The Da Vinci Code other idea. It's not a New York Times bestseller is it the thing that I kept thinking of with that is there's some.
I don't mean to bring up the Lord Reigns campuses. There is a kind of famous example in The Hobbit. We're like. The things I love about those books is the language is so it feels right, but he makes let this kind of continuity error by accident. There's a train that got into The Hobbit because he describes the dragon at one point in terms of like a train rushing by I was like but nowhere else in the book is there like this modern description of stuff I can do to saying page-turner is totally one of those things, so now I'm gonna say something here, and I'm aware I'm aware that what I'm doing is setting up a little bit of a.
Kafka trap like we've discussed before where I've said like only can you think of thing will think this thing they do want to get on record I know that I'm doing this, but there is a thing in this Yoda scene that fundamentally really bothered me. It's Yoda talking about how failure is the best teacher right like failure is super important and.
I think this is there as a kind of pseudo intellectual skirt that the movie is wearing for a certain kind of fan because in this movie, which you know if you're following the traditional structure of like oh the middle Movie Everything is the worst in this movie almost everything fails and Luke is talking about how the Jedi have been a failure like and he's not wrong and the plans that were going to talk about later like they all felt like everything goes wrong in this movie.
And I think that Yoda has this little speech because it's again like nudging a certain kind of fan to say like oh, but look. That's the theme of the movie's failure right like this stuff doesn't make for unappealing watching just for no reason the whole point of it. Is that its failure like it's a theme.
Do you see it's a theme for a movie? It was just rubbing me the wrong way because there's a lot of complaints. I have about this movie in the way. It was structured that I feel like this is acting as a way. A certain kind of fan can go like oh, you don't get it. That's the point of the movie the point of the movie is that they failed at these critical junctures, so it felt like Yoda was putting this there for certain kind of person to use as a defense of the movie.
I didn't look at that date play. I just looked at it as like a corporate cliche, but yeah, I mean read him to fail. That's all that was a boy's a big thing at the BBC when were being trained to make films creatively. Yeah, must have the freedom to fail right and by the freedom to fail we mean.
Actually want you to do really well. It also struck me as a little bit of a real-world ISM leaking out because it's the same thing in schools, or it's like a you know. It's a real mind virus and Silicon Valley likely got a fail fast failing is just the best and it's like okay. You know it's better than failing is succeeding right succeeding is better than failing, but you know whatever.
Let's leave Luke Skywalker Islands, please. Thank God right we're gonna fly away like Ray after getting a twenty minute lesson on what the force is that's also a joke this pointless like a bunch of pointless stuff that happens, but we're going to skip it. Yeah, I want to talk about what is now the main plot of this movie from which everything else is orbiting.
Write the main structure of this movie is the resistance is in their Corvettes and their several smaller ships, and they are being chased. By the first order yeah, and we have our opening battle, which has some cool stuff. I like the bombers like there's a bunch of interesting stuff in there, so I Bob was like right has slaw with I and the Galaxy where everything moves so quickly those things are lumbering like tractors through space they were really slow, but I didn't mind them.
I thought they were leaning really hard into that the naval Warfare thing even turning up the dial with the language like oh, we have a Dreadnought like they were really going for the naval stuff is there any ship. Go object in the Star Wars universe that doesn't have one glaring weakness that is usually a big hole that you have to drop something into the blow it up really need to get working on that.
Yeah, they do but like if I'm gonna quit fans would be annoyed at its those bombers, and they were the slowest things in the world, but I didn't mind it. I like the visuals up at I like they were a box two bombs hell the bombs falling down the coast making them folder if there's no gravity anyway.
I assumed they were being pushed out. I think it was a colloquialism that they're saying like dropped the bombs I didn't take that as a literal the bombs are dropping because of gravity they did same to follow though. There was some sort of falling to them as they were falling into a hole, but anyway.
Yeah, they looked cool with your people will let us know that I'm sure there's some Star Wars Wikipedia article on exactly the mechanism that those bombs used, but the resistance is trying to escape and they want to use the usual Star Wars trick, which is we're going to lightspeed out of here, and they won't be able to follow us once.
We jump to lightspeed because they. Know where we went. I can't do that jump to lightspeed and then minutes later the first order reappears, and it is quickly surmised. I'm gonna exactly sure how but its demise it like oh the first order must have tracked them. Through light speed and this is where things start going a little wonky for me with the fundamental structure of the movie because first of all it's like okay.
We are now immediately establishing the idea that you can't track people through Lightspeed, which I felt a bit like okay. I don't remember that it seems like that would cause some problems in earlier movies if that wasn't possible, but okay sure I'm happy to go along with this idea didn't I track the Millennium Falcon well, maybe that is wait until it got to the other.
And then found the beacon where as here the problem was they were following the beacon like in real time. Yeah, I like I was wondering about that. I'd like to bump a fat like he jumps to lightspeed after the money fuck, but like I don't remember exactly, but whatever it's like okay in this universe your establishing.
This is a thing right yeah, but then minutes later they point out that that Leia has a magic ring that Ray can use to find her anywhere. And it's like oh, okay, so you can't track people through Lightspeed, but you can have homing beacons that work across the entire galaxy. I'm not as Auntie this is as you agree.
I think I understand what's going on here ok. I genuinely want you to explain because I felt confused about this. Distinction of what is occurring and I was also I want to know did I miss something was there something on the capital ship that they were using to track them. I feel like I missed something that I think that was something there were being set up for that never happened like there was going to be a mole or something yeah, that's what I kept waiting there was like oh, there's a piece of equipment.
I actually thought it was going to have something to do with fin that like because he was former Empire. They were using him somehow like I kept waiting for a shoe to drop here that never dropped. Yeah the thing with a lot Spade. I think that you can. Trek homing beacons and things like that when someone is at a place across the universe right like there's a you know you can put a bug on someone and you can find out where they are at any given point, but I think that doesn't happen while you're traveling through hyperspace and the thing that I think was made clear in this film than all the other films.
Is the traveling through hyperspace is not an instantaneous thing it's like a voyage because you know how we see what those scenes where they're sitting at the window, and yeah, yeah, space has going so I think the new innovation here is the ability to track vehicles while they're going through these you know wishy-washy like tunnels and I think that's what didn't exist before so when Han Solo and the Millennium Falcon get away at the end of Star Wars and Grandma hawkins's we're taking a terrible risk here by letting him get away through hyperspace.
He's got the Homing Beacon so they know when he pops out the other end you will get the Homing Beacon back this new innovation is Asa homing Beacon that works while you're going through the wishy-washy dunno hmm ok, so this allows them to just appear sooner. Yeah, you don't have to wait for them to pop out the other end and then do your five or six hour journey to get there OK.
You can be right on there, but straight away. Okay, that makes sense that makes sense that makes me feel better, but it doesn't get to fight fundamental problem, which is okay, so they they get out here and now. The whole background of the movie is that there is this slow-motion chase that is occurring?
Yeah, that's the resistance is flying ahead of smokes ship and the first order and they're able to fly far enough out of range that the guns can't hurt them, but not far enough to actually get away, and this is the moment where the Star Wars Universe introduces the concept of fuel. That the ship only has a certain amount of fuel that it can use that they can only make one more light speed jump and even traveling at sub light speed.
They only have a certain amount of time that they can go and I found it. Kind of crazy making this concept of fuel and I haven't looked at anything online, but I did just ask some people about like to the original trilogy ever reference Fuel and the answer is like it's implied but nobody ever talks about it is one of those things where I realized like it's never occurred to me the concept of fuel with the ships like it's never.
Cross my mind, but now this is like a fundamentally important mechanism that you're splitting hairs there. I think it's pretty obvious that these vehicles are going to need fueling well that at one point or another because like I'm simply saying it never really crossed my mind, but lap now like here is a mechanism around, which the movie revolves, and it is a ticking Time Bomb right we have 18 hours before the ship runs out of fuel thing.
Okay, I guess so, but then also this chases. Just happening and just like how does this Chase? Work the ship is always able to just stay out of range, but never actually get very far, and they can't catch up and then. Okay, if I even give you that scenario, which is a little bit hard to imagine like even if you're imagining like a car's doing this in the real world.
It's a little bit hard to understand like how does this work exactly you're traveling at exactly the same speed, but one of the cars is 100,000 times the size of the other car like this quite a coincidence, and this is without even getting into all like nerdery that nobody cares about about acceleration in space like I'll leave all of that to the side yeah here.
Is my background problem? How big is the first order in this movie because? This whole scenario just doesn't hold up its implied and it becomes the case that's like the entire resistance is being chased the ships that are here is everyone. That's left. It's like okay. Got it, but the first order.
Do they not have any other ship that can warp in ahead of the resistance Corvettes like they know where it is like this weird Chase implies that these are all of the first order ships that exist that they can't have anybody come in at light speed ahead of the resistance. I could just the chase is dumb and makes.
No sense on any level, but it's the structure of the whole movie it sort of drove me crazy because it kept pushing back to this thing that we mentioned with the force awakens of like like I can't believe that. I'm here asking for more politics in my Star Wars movies, but I really think it's like a background rot of these movies like where did the first order come from how big are they how powerful are they like in the last movie they built a gun the size of a planet, but in this movie they don't have.
One ship to spare to warp in ahead of the guys. You're chasing. It would just drives me crazy like this inability to understand the scale of the enemy in the movie. I think it's it's really really bad. Yeah, and that assault at the very end of the film to that they launched on the bunker. Also seems quite small scale doesn't it right in the scheme of things for how important.
It is, but because here's the thing. Okay, chasing down the resistance seems so important that the supreme leader of the first order in his capital ship is there to personally oversee this event I get seems incredibly important, but you can't fly a couple more ships in to resolve this within an hour what that makes it feel like is.
This is it like this is the whole battle all of the first order ships are here and all of the resistances here, which then I can't come up with a metaphor for it, but I just keep coming back to this idea that it. It feels like this is a fight between two School gangs. It made the whole thing seemed really small the small size of the Rebellion.
I think shocked me at times is that it is that all they've got I have to say I always assumed the first order is bigger. Much much bigger and there were so many other problems. I had with the scenario. I didn't even think about what you're thinking about. I never even thought about I kind of just accepted the premise yeah, I just think that it's like you can't have it both ways.
You can't have it that. This is so important that the top guy is here, but it's not so important that we're not going to pull Personnel from anywhere else in the entire galaxy to help out right as like these two things can't be true, and yeah, I agree that story wise the first order has to be enormous.
There's some line in the beginning of the movie where someone says something like oh the first order is weeks away from capturing all the major star systems right which sounds like a metric ton of ships, but then this whole fight is taking place on such a. Small scale that it just it makes things feel small, and I think it's like it's a problem for the whole movie this the structure, but it sound like you had some kind of different problem with it that distracted you from this the problem.
That was distracting me from that problematic a bright got it was obviously while this scenario is unfolding this low-speed chase, right. We have some of the characters decide they think they can solve the problem by enlisting some code breaker and breaking onto the other ship, but to get him.
They've got to go to like some other place in the Galaxy right and they just like they leave they get on a ship and leave and go and have another adventure and come back so it's like the slow-speed chase where everyone supposed to be trapped, but feels like you can just come and go as you please like so when Po and Rose decide to go off and have this other adventure, and they jump in a ship.
Say, I won't catch you guys later like like like that people can just go can leave what what? Easy yet is one of those things in the movie where I think they just hoping you don't notice or don't think about it. They don't give you a little bit of fluff to make it seem like you get away with it, but no one's buying that they do give you some fluff, but here's the thing they pull that same trick twice.
Sex because jumping forward later on in the movie the whole plan is we're going to eject 30 transport ships that they're just not going to see rights, so yeah, I did think if there was some other planet nearby where the slow-speed chase was happening the first order would be all over that could be like look this Chase is going to take us near a big planet saying so maybe that's going to come into play.
It wouldn't be some Shock that they try and use the planet somehow. Yeah the thing that I was also wondering is like presumably the Corvette is headed straight for the planet, right. If they're running out of fuel and they only just barely get there. I'm imagining they were headed pretty straight for it, and they have this throwaway line about like over headed towards this Uncharted Planet, but again.
I'm also feeling like but yeah, it's a planet. You're towing a first-order right behind you like I can't officially the first order would be thinking look the only play these guys have got ya is to get onto that planet because they're about to run out of fuel and get the hell blasts out of them, so whatever we do.
Make sure we keep The Radars to make sure that it send any ships to that planet. Yeah, and yet it's this flag is this great spooky move that no one yeah. Yeah, it's like the side. Adventure is trying to set you up for this idea. They're like. Oh we can leave and come back, and they won't see like really okay.
That's a hell of a claim the Star Wars Legends films Gray. Did they have these problems like we were little kids watching them where parents laughing at us because of all these ridiculous blogs well again every watch them is an adult and one of the things I have to give them real credit for is they have sensible explanations for a bunch of stuff so one of the things here is like okay, so in this movie at the very end the Millennium Falcon takes out.
What seems to be like 20, thai fighters and is like okay that no problem at all. Ray and chewy are able to take down all these time Fighters and Rise pretty skilled and got the force and stuff. Yeah, I know it's like OK. I get I'm gonna give them all that right. I'm gonna give them all those advantages and that's fantastic but like in the original movie.
Yeah, they took down a bunch of Thai fighters, but it was part of the plot that the empire was letting them get away. And I feel like somehow that first like oh our clunky Millennium Falcon was able to get away in a situation where the empire was letting them get away has morphed into. The Millennium Falcon is the most Nimble ship in the universe that take down everything this was my Force awakens criticism all over again the special powers that been imbued on the Millennium Falcon a very frustrating.
Yeah, it's crazy and Alec. I think I was less sensitive to that last time, but this time. I felt like oh come on because I had lost track of all of the Thai fighters. I was like wait a minute. What happened to all those thai fighters, and then my wife was like oh the Millennium Falcon. Just wipe them on I like uh ok right got it great, but I think that like that's a key thing that they were.
More reasonable explanations stuff, that's a dumb plot idea that like oh you drop a bomb in a particular hole in the whole thing blows up. It's like okay fine whatever, but at least it's a mechanism for why can a tiny number of ships defeat a larger number of ships right whereas in in this movie.
Repeatedly we have this idea that like the ridiculously outclassed resistance is able to just win because they're better like in the end fighting scene it was really the case was like they call out by number like the resistance has 13 ships, and we are here on the planet with like all of this material like and we're still going to get our asses handed to us.
It's frustrating and I think it's just nonsensical because you the movie wants certain things to happen well like it or not Poe and Rose go to. Vegas the other Monica Monica, that's where they go I swear to God I was looking at that. I was like did they actually film it in Monaco. I was waiting for a gigantic sign that said welcome to Monaco in the background like some CGI artist forgot to erase Brady hate this part of the movie.
I hate this part of the movie so much I levels yeah, I'm with you. It's really bad except gray. I really love the same where they put the coins in be because they think he's a slot machine. I thought that was really clever. It was really clever. It was terrible. Out of which I know what I liked about that what the reason I was gonna say is kind of clever is I didn't notice on the first watching, but on the second watching.
I like that the Foley artist bothered to make going rolling around sounds whenever bb8 moved about like I didn't know I didn't I would never have noticed on the first watching, but on the second watching as I I like this way better because somebody cared to have it like a bag full of money that he was moving around in the Foley Department with Nora.
I think that is where this. Strayed too far into prequel territory that whole thing. This is also where I gotta say like the real world coming into the movie is just it's like it's too much for me if I would gambling in that Galaxy be so similar to our gambling before we get there OK thing. I liked it's like OK this.
I enjoyed as a turn for two seconds before you you leaned into it too much movie. I like the idea. They're going to go to a hive of scum and villainy right. And engineer fangirl is there and she says oh where you know these are the worst people in the world and I liked for two seconds that it's a bunch of rich people in a casino right?
I thought that is a nice turn on the expectation. That's a nice little genre flip here. I like the idea wasn't really explored very far, so I'd like the idea of there being Star Wars arms dealers who was selling 80 80 s and X-Wing Fighters, and we're going to have to finally disagree on that but.
Sarah but so that thing about like okay the worst people in the world. It's bunch of rich people in Monaco. It's like okay. I can get along with I think that's a fun idea, but it's a fun idea for two seconds, and then as we like we lean into it with all of these other elements. It again. It's the real world like bleeding into the Star Wars world and I felt like I lost my mind at the Arms Dealer part hmm.
It felt like the most unstar Wars thing ever I'm gonna Saudi. I'm. Retract what I said now. I think about it more because although I do have always had questions about where X-Wing Fighters come from right where deck swings come from because the Rebellion got so many of them and the Rebellion. It's not like an army.
It was very our galaxy into that Galaxy and it was also picking something. That's very Zeitgeist isn't it felt like we're having a little like Occupy Wall Street moment or something or was like I'm having a character. Tell me that the only way you can get this rich in the Star Wars universe is by selling arms to the first order.
As I okay well and don't be cruel to animals. Yeah, well. We'll get there. It's like that's interesting that you're telling me that in in this entire like galaxy spanning universe. There's no software billionaires like who's writing the user interfaces for these machines. You know Soldier really?
This is the only way you can get this wealthy if it's the only way you can get this wealthy like how is the first order paying for all of this like surely. There's wealthier guys in the first order like buying the guns what I've got. X I've got tax, but like Shirley this Facebook like who invented Facebook in this galaxy.
He must be rich. Yeah, I know, but that's so there's a thing about it which. I just I really hate this character the introducing like oh all of these rich people are bad and. All of us terrorists in the resistance are great right we have not one, but two suicide bombers in the resistance in this movie.
They're fantastic people, but like these people in this casino. They're all bad, and they're selling guns to the first order and when they pay for the casino who would just like they're on a stag day. Yeah, but that's what I was wondering is like all of them are arms dealers like that's a lot of arms dealers that little Leprechaun.
He's an arms dealer the bizarre opera singer who yells when the horses come running through the casino. An arms dealer are all the people working in this casino arms dealers. You know it's it's crazy and also fair if you have this sucks special Casino. Where only arms dealers can go and everyone is that rich say I accept the premise that they're all arms dealers Great wouldn't security be a bit higher than having these people Park their shuttle on a bindle can't yeah, but this is this it like that doesn't make any sense right, but here.
We are like we're with the one percent of the one percent with the arms dealers, but you can just walk in it doesn't make any sense. And I'm really glad that they touched on it later because I swear to God I was sitting in the seat like fuming at this point also because this is where I was like rose.
I hate you when I want you to die so badly, but when she's talking about the arms dealers like it was all I could do to not scream at the film like. Where do you get those X wings from like where do you think you're buying these things from and I'm like I'm so glad that the movie just touched on it briefly for a second.
It's like. Why are your guns better than their guns like are you are guns made with flowers and light and love, and oh the first order? They're just bad this sort of going back to Rogue 1. I feel like this movie had a real problem in the way that one did have like. You need to give me more reasons to like the resistance and to dislike the first order did rise explain.
Why she was so Auntie these people to its like she felt it really struggling. It's like she was educating po about why this is bad. Yeah like was Rose like a slave to them at some point. I did I miss that she more abused in her background than the others. I think she says briefly is that her planet was stripped Mind by the first order to then buy the guns.
From the arms dealers like again. It's like okay some kind of weird thing and then the arms dealers were testing out their weapons on her planet and then like she quote lost everything she might have said it, but I say I didn't feel it yeah, and I was like great. I don't care about you at all, but it's just there was something about it.
That's just. Childish in this way. I like oh all these people in the casino are terrible people and all of the resistance Fighters are great and just combined with the things like a little moment in a movie, which I think it. They all add up because like I should like the resistance, but I just don't and one of the reasons.
I don't like the resistance is when we first meet Rose. What is she doing? She's stunning and throwing in the brig deserters from the resistance who are trying to escape what they view as a pointless mission where they're all going to die as I shouldn't story wise the resistance be the force that lets you go.
If you want to leave isn't that a way to make them sympathetic instead of like oh you're stunning all day long people who were trying to Desert students and Military Precision in these crisis situations grow. Yeah, it don't get me wrong in real life if I was running a resistance. I'd have stun Gunners standing at every Escape pod right that like that's what I would really do, but I'm just talking about like story wise why do you have to explicitly call this out like why can't you have her be doing almost anything else?
I have no real reason to like the resistance and then they're filled with dumb characters who do stupid things, which makes them even more unlikable. I've just realized by the way for everyone listening it isn't po that goes off with rosettes. Oh, yes, yeah, and it's been sorry for all those times.
I've said frustrated G. Komen name split big stuff, but anyway show you more than any feedback on that at all that will have written the comments yet where I correct it, so great just a quick intermission here before you continue with your Monaco tirade, which I'm looking forward to all. These things you think like these plot holes and these things that drive you crazy.
Are you thinking them during the film or later because this is pretty complicated stuff you thinking about and the film goes at a reasonable Pace. I don't think I have time to think of all these plot holes until afterwards. I certainly think about them afterwards. Do you think about them afterwards or during a lot of the stuff?
I was thinking during, but I think that's because this movie felt like a slower movie like during regwan. I remember a feeling of just being more confused or like not following part. But this movie there was a bunch of stuff that was bothering me. During it so like the thing about the fuel and the relative speed of the ships.
I like this is crazy, and it makes no sense. It's the problem again of like breaking a suspension of disbelief that then causes me to be sitting there and thinking about thing and that is the whole Magic of a good. Movie is a good movie doesn't do that. It doesn't break you out and get you thinking about the stuff but landing in a place which is obviously Monaco and then talking about arms dealers.
It's like oh, okay. I thought I was going to enjoy a movie, but now I'm getting like a. Political lesson from the writers of this scripts, and that's what like kicks me out of it and then starts a little Loop in my head where I'm thinking about the movie isn't watching movie, so I'm in the Vegas or Monaco.
What if you want to call a thing I didn't like it and then this person they go to get the help from like we see that person briefly, and then they obviously don't get to get that person and then there's this other person, and then there's the horse racing saying yeah, well, just like this was shocked jumping territory for me.
Is two things here, and then I feel like after this I have a whole bunch of just minor points about the movie, but it's like the casino thing. It's where the movie Broke for me because I was thinking this is so Monaco. I can't believe it, and then they introduced a racetrack and that's like. It's too much right.
It's too much. It's like they flew to a casino city that was called Las Vegas, and there's a gigantic pyramid in the middle of the cities like it's too much, but. But really fun with that kind of like lost me and was very very space Ball Z was so they they meet in prison the guy who's going to break codes for them.
You know it, just like a fantastic Miracle of luck they bump into this guy, and they they stage like an escape and off-camera in an unspecified manner bb8 has disabled handcuffed and duct taped over their mouths three guards. Yeah, and. The movie does it as like a little joke where Benicio. Del Toro was like oh, did you do that and then they show another guard come around and bb8 uses all of those coins, so cleverly put in his chest and like shoots the guy down with a bunch of coins as if you are insulted Enough by the fact.
He's tied these people that they're gonna spit in your face and have him use these coins as yeah, and then he blows on the nozzle of his gun like he's Clint Eastwood and is like what is he blowing on that to me was the exact moment where I'm like. I'm done movie because. It's so absurd and bb8 can do this.
Well he seems really useful like why don't you have a whole bunch of these bb8 Droids? Yeah like a flying at your data, and yeah, it's like if this is a thing that exists in this universe, then it breaks the universe and the stuff later on which is also like Universe breaking. Its, but like how good the droids are he's like rjd2 flies or in Rogue 1 the you know the robot and rogue rogue one is like so good like why don't you just have these guys all the time?
Why do you mess around with humans? That just really broke it for me, and then you know they escaped and they go see the horses in the Stables like the gigantic horse creatures, and this is what I'm like. I'm losing my mind right because. Rose rose. I hate you so much um. Rose wants to free all of the horses, but they leave the slave children behind and flicking right oh go like Run free horses slave children you stay here.
I'm sure everything will be fine for you. Well they using the horses to to get away on like this utility to the horses to them and they using the big group of horses as like you know. Distraction and their disturbance, but I understand what is occurring here, but there's like oh, they show that the horses are abused of course because they have to write this because you know it couldn't just be a horse race and arms dealers don't care about abused animals because they're monsters right and it's like okay whatever, but these these horses all Escape you just leave the slave children behind, and they do this this romp through the city, which I think is hilarious where it's like the horses are trying to jump on every single car like they jumping from car to car.
Just a smash. From a lot because it's real fun. I guess and they sort of Escape into the woods on these horses their whole plan has like totally failed from their perspective. They lost the key breaker guy. They're not necessarily going to get off of this island like they don't know what's going to happen and then thin and Rose have a little conversation about how it was really all worth.
It. Just to make these dirty arms dealers feel the pain a little bit. It's like. What do you what do you mean like you smashed up a couple of their cars if there is rich as you're saying. They are like they could make cars rain down from the sky all day with their money like you haven't done anything to harm them in the slightest.
It's like you know you're like an idiot protester. Who's going to I'm going to boycott Walmart. I'm not going to buy any of their goods. It's like. Yeah great congratulations. You've done so much here. Maybe they spy sources are like really valuable. So anyway, they're like oh, it's great. We made the rich guys hurt, and we let these horses get away and Finn says.
Oh, it was really worth it to make those guys hurt, and then Rose takes the saddle off one of the horses and as like go run free horse right because now it was really worth. It as like okay hold on a second Rose. Let's review the thing situation the entire resistance is going to die because your mission has failed, but you have that let some horses run free.
Perhaps a couple of hours before they get rounded up again. It's like I hate you so much as a character, and we haven't even gotten to the thing that she does that I hate the most, but this whole Casino thing. I was like I cannot deal with this side quest the side quest is just. Ridiculous, it was a rubbish sidequest.
I'll Brady. I'm OK as his angry isn't going to be except for the other thing, but I'm good okay. I feel like I feel like I got that out of me while we're speaking about robots and MBTA Droid sorry, and then be be a drawn-out robots breathing now. There was an earlier saying that I kind of wanted to see what you thought about that.
We've kind of skipped over, and this was when Luke Skywalker's says. I'm not going to get involved in mott going to help and then are too. Gilts him by showing the old video of Princess Leia that was a very a very human thing that attitude wasn't it like it was very subtle and strategic and playing on human emotions and like.
What did you think of that play from RT that it came from RT very crucial thing you know that was the Turning Point? Okay? Yeah, I'm going to help. I'm gonna help now because I remember what it's all about and it came from the Droid well. I mean this brings up the Deep problem of droid slavery in the Star Wars Universe.
Well. I wasn't trying to go there again, but but it is like it is totally a thing like those droids as presented in Star Wars are just. Totally conscious creatures with a range of emotions and feelings yeah so to have a Droid in the Star Wars Universe to a very human thing is totally unsurprising in a way that in other genres it might feel like oh you're just getting the robot to do what the robot needs to do in this scene yeah, I did like it, but then again the.
Like the little comment from Luke about being oh, that's a really cheap move. I felt again like OK. We like the script is getting meta again like we're recommending the movie itself so that you're pulling me out of this. Yeah, you didn't have to dismiss it. He could have just looked and you know he could have just looked really sad, and it would have been 10 times more powerful.
Yeah, because in some ways it was the most important moment in the film yeah, and they dismissed it like almost like I said all that crap is not going to work on me you stupid droid before he says anything. I also thought that if the directors are just let him keep his. Shot I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I feel like it's also a scene that has the potential to really have a little poignant moment about how much older Luke is it is him seeing his sister.
You know 35-40 years younger and last time. Hey look today. He was this you know testosterone shot. Ya naive boy who just thought that's a fit girl. Yeah, and now so much has changed about him. You could have just lingered on how old he looked and how pudgy his face wasn't like we as viewers would have also been feeling the same thing gosh last time.
I saw that I was a young boy, and now look at all of us like it was very special and it'll get trampled on like so many other things are like. Oh don't hold on the seriousness too long. We're going to have to have. Word of half joke or a sort of meta comment about it. I like I like I liked it until that line and it's like oh okay great here.
We go again. That was also something that is didn't quite sit right with me that like. To thought to do it, then get you know I like R2 D2 as much as the next person, but it just sort of modern I but it's also to me the thing of like I forgot R2 D2 was supposed to be in this movie until this moment, and then he just does the one thing and then disappears again.
Yeah, anyway. It was it was an interesting saying that could have been better. What about smoke and the big. Battle in the in his lair with those all those red Imperial guards around the place as well the first time I saw them. I thought they were pretty cool. Let the first time when they tried to come to Snopes like defense when he was just one on one with.
What exactly are those guys are they like trainee Sith like I don't know I can't you to like it would have been funnier if they read because like they were there for snow their bosses. Just died like what's their motivation for trying to kill either of those two people actually it didn't occur to me until just now, but isn't Kyle around like second-in-command like don't think know he's The Apprentice to the master and now that the master is gone.
Shouldn't they just be serving kyllo rent was caught like complicit and smokes assassination, which had. Know it was going on and allow it did he know that she was twisting the lightsaber. I thought maybe that's what was going on like they were in cahoots. They're okay. This is an interesting moment because I read that scene totally differently yeah, I read that scene that Kai low-rent killed him ok, so I had a big complaint about this because I on the second viewing I had to write it down because I thought the scene was so absurd because snow.
Moves Ray before Kyle Wren so that he will kill her hmm right and Kyla when looks right at Ray and says I know what I have to do, okay, so this is nearly word-for-word, and it just the way snoek did is his nearly word-for-word his speechifying at the end in Kyle. Oh where there was a conflict. I now since resolved I cannot be portrayed.
I see his mind. I see him turning the lightsaber to strike. Who he ignites it and kills his true enemy who could that be his true enemy is it me? Yeah? Yeah, I read that wrong, and I looking at the Wikipedia article. Also says the Kyla kill snakes. Oh, well that would explain why the red guards are the after both of them your version would be way better, but I thought that was like the heaviest thing.
I had seen on film in a long time and the whole villain of snow the snow whenever the help and my brain. I keep calling like Snape his hole. Villain was just totally wasted and totally pointless and was another thing that felt to me like some kind of director or Studio disagreement behind the scenes because in the last movie.
It's a big mystery. Who is this guy and in this movie the answer is he's a guy who sits in a throne room and gives a bunch of speeches and. Doesn't really do anything and reveals nothing about where the first order came from or where he came from or anything is it tough mole the guy who's red and black, and yeah, sorry.
It's like him. It's like. Oh, that's a pretty interesting character. I can't wait to find out where he came from and what his story is and what he's all about and then they just let kill him off. That's what happened with this smoke. I was kind of thinking are you're pretty handy with the force there yeah, and you're pretty interesting looking like where'd you come from and what's your story?
You've got me interested? And then that's cute him off and going back to my problem with like the political situation. I think this is an answer that really needs to be resolved is after the supposed victory of the Original Trilogy Where does this guy come from who's the one who starts up the first order that needs an answer whereas I?
In the original trilogy because you're just starting the story you can say here's the State of Affairs. There's a gigantic Empire that controls the universe and there's a bunch of rebels go right story starts here, but you can't do that when you've continued the story too. Just like after the victory jump forward forty years and try to reset the clock like there needs to be some kind of answer.
I think that was like obviously what his character was supposed to do, but it really felt like someone. Add-on likes nope like we're gonna get rid of him, and we're gonna make sure he does absolutely nothing in this movie except. Be frankly like an over-the-top comical speechifying a villain. He just loves to talk that guy like I felt so bad for those red guards like they must have to hear him talking all day long like I think he's like he's practicing speeches in that throne room.
They just have to listen. He does nothing and what's potentially an interesting character, but like well. I guess you just gone. Okay. It's interesting isn't it because? Oh for good Star Wars films have like a dual type thing at the end that is really important and like a highlight of the film and this one like I've got hardly any notes Here really uninterested in and like the confrontation the moment between Ray and Carlo Ren and you know.
Really, just like really forgettable. I kind of already forget. What happened that he said join me, and yeah, she said no, and I lightsaber broken hand. She pissed off, and I think you really raise an excellent point that just didn't cross my mind, which is why are those cards even fighting them. I don't understand either.
They should not care anymore or they should recognize that Kyla rent is now the next in charge. Oh, it's a free-for-all for the to control the throne in that room like is that what's happening. It doesn't make any sense why that fight occurs to jump ahead and buy notes and jump ahead in the film because it touches on this.
This is one of my criticisms and questions about the film too, and that is the dedication of people that have no skin in the game like. And the ships are all blowing up at the end, and you know it's all going pear-shaped. That's silver Stormtrooper and all the other Storm. Troopers are still like amongst the Carnage as their ship falls apart, and everyone should evacuate their still descansen trading on these killing these two Rebels like at least at the end of Return of the Jedi when when it's all going pear-shaped on the Death Star and Luke's dragging Darth Vader through the hangar like no one cares because all they care about is getting the hell out of there so that normal people, but here people who with no skin in the game and.
Reason to care this much. I just battling on mindlessly doing things that make no sense you've hit on such a detail that I love and those original movies. Is that scene as I the ship is falling apart and everybody just trying to get out, and it's so impactful like people are acting in the way people would like that storm troopers got no skin in this game as soon as it looked like Darth Vader's incapacitated like they're just going to leave him to die.
They don't like it. Everyone should trying to get out of there. Yeah, and it provides a reason like how can Luke? Exits because everybody is just exiting they're all just wrapped leaving a drowning ship and nobody cares. That's what would really happen, and then this becomes the answer is all of these Stormtroopers really care because their video game ai's with one goal.
Which is to kill the protagonists right? That's the answer the question. It's terrible and my dark heart of hearts. I was hoping for a Twist that I knew wasn't going to come, but I thought would make the movie more interesting like maybe Ray and Kyla will switch. Positions because I feel like in the last movie and in this movie they do harp on this theme that.
Like the dark side really pulls Ray like maybe more than other characters. We've seen and I thought like man, it would be like a really badass bold move to take your heroin and turn her into the villain and maybe have like kyllo ends up going. Like back to Leia like have them switch positions, but it you know it's like I could see it wasn't going to happen, but I thought like oh man.
Maybe it would like maybe we can salvage this with a really cool turn of the movie. It's like. Oh, but nope OK right. There's just like a fight. They just fight like join me will rule the galaxy together as BFFs with Benefits. I guess I don't like I don't know. I don't know really what the sale was there.
I'll say quick positive thing that happened around this part of the film, but you know how in reg one. Made with Darth Vader tearing the ship apart was like the scene that everyone just went wild man that scene made the whole film worthwhile right there was one scene like that and this film that I thought that is cool, and that was when the Corvette went into light speed and went through the whole Squadron of.
Enemy ships like I've never seen what would happen if a ship went into hyperspace into a hole like Fleet of other ships and the way that it tore all those ships apart for a few seconds. I thought was a really cool. Looking saying. I thought it looked amazing. Okay. Yeah, so you're talking about Captain purple hair which was a terrible casting decision on my casting someone as famous as Laura Dern in that role was a terrible decision and completely ripped me out of the film every time.
She was on screen because I've seen her in so many films that she was poorly cast yeah. I want to get back to her. Other problems with her, but that scene was without a doubt the highlight of the film she turned ship around and she does a suicide maneuver into the capital ship. Yeah, loved it and looked awesome.
It looked awesome the visuals were great cutting out the sound briefly and then having an explosion when you're not expecting it like the audio work was fantastic the way. They should like they showed you that the ship was going through like it wasn't just an explosion, and it was like a violent.
Tearing through like that scene was perfect on every level. Except for the part where it breaks the whole Star Wars Universe because because I saw I was like wow that's amazing and then wait a minute. Why don't we just attach hyper drives to asteroids and use this as a weapon may be hot for drivers are quite expensive to make great.
Well. It seems like I know some pretty rich arms dealers like who might be able to make those hyperdrive. There are a lot of ships in the films that have them, but seem to belong pretty poor people yeah, this is the problem is like if you want to try to make some economic argument, that's like oh.
The resistance was able to use their this capital ship at the last moment because it's such a costly Maneuvers like okay ships blow up all the time right all the time in this universe and like hey. Here's a great way that you can show that the first order is really terrible have them using. Suicide Pilots driving hyperdrive ships as attacks that could have done the first death star that way.
Just done a few of their ships into the first Death Stare would have been all over. I'd to be honest. I didn't think of it great. I just thought that's awesome. It is awesome, but like within five seconds. I was like oh no stop brain stop right, but it's like it's too late the too late my brain is and then it gives like okay.
There's another battle that happens later on and all I'm thinking of is like why don't you just hyperspace a ship right through the core of this planet? Like if you're going to smash something at light speed into a planet that planet is done right it is over and the rebels like oh we have a shield up on our base like well that Shield hold up to a Dreadnought going at hyperspace through the planet like I don't think it will I don't think anything will hold up against his weapon this weapon just destroys all of the battles because why would you do?
Anything else you know get some of your slave droids to drive the ships it didn't do that much damage to the flake gray. It didn't like it was very destructive, but it wasn't Planet destroying destructive like it. Just put a little cut through the Dreadnaught, and I think you're overstating how powerful.
I was I mean if we're supposed to take that seriously. Do you not think that a ship could go at light speed through the rebel base on the salt Planet. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you could take out the rebel base. I'm saying could destroy like a whole planet, but that's what I mean like why aren't you bombing the planet surface with ships at light speed?
Right this is what I'm saying like if we're to take that seriously that in this universe you can do this. Yeah, like why didn't they do that on Hoth? Yeah exactly, and why don't they do that on Hoth to in this movie minutes later and again, it's like I presume that the first order has a lot of ships to spare.
This is really important, or it's not. I don't know I can't figure out the scale of these things so again highlighted. The movie totally love it as an individual scene breaks. Every naval battle in the entire universe. This fails also like around the time that the film should have been drawing to an end yeah, yeah, and then we go to hafte.
We go too hard too, and we start what I think of as the Return of the King phase of the movie. Yeah where I keep thinking. It's going to cut to Black. Multiple times and the movie really suffers from starting to drag likes when they start setting up the extra battle like you should never be looking at your watch when a battle starts anything like really are we're really gonna do a whole other battle right now.
I thought like I'd already been to the toilet once and I was thinking I'm gonna have to go again. Yeah, exactly how to add way too much self drink this part was it was too much. It was too much, and it was too long so obviously like the red salt under the white. Surface did look pretty cool. Yeah, but what was the point of those mono ski poles on the ship's besides kicking up cool redness.
I don't see the scienc reason for them. Did I miss something you didn't miss anything? I'm there's something in my head. It's been bothered. I cannot remember what it is someone will put it in the comments, but I know that there is some kind of like. In my head, I have this image of a thing that like sales on the surface and you do use something like this in water to stabilize a craft that moves along the surface, and I see that's what they are going for but this whole battle struck me as someone had what admittedly is an awesomely cool idea for the visual.
What's a cool visual? We can add to a battle to make a different and the planet that has red crystals underneath an ice on top super cool visual love it what? Don't love is now. We have to engineer a way that everybody is kicking up the salt all the time yeah, and the way we're going to do that is we're going to give them space ships, but the space ships can't actually fly they can only hover above the ground and to hover above the ground.
They need to have this stabilizing fin. That is scraping the salt. Yeah, and this also has the problem to me that. Get resistance is ridiculously outgunned here, and they are also confined to a 2d plane with 13 ships like you guys should get wrecked immediately in this fight, but they're able to be able to hold on and it's just the movie contorting itself to fit the visual idea on somebody's Story Board.
That's what's happening there. Yes a lot of plot house here. It was too much like the Hearth battle. That was LE. I don't mind callbacks, but this was. Bordering on being unoriginal a lot of dumb stuff that happens here is like Crystal creature like there's so so much, but that's like. I just got a call out what to me is my favorite thing in the whole movie which is.
Finn decides he's gonna do a suicide run into this Canon that they're going to use to crack open the base now. No now you're doing it was poet wasn't it. No, it was fine. I wasn't know what's fan was then I know you're right. I've God man. I've got a serious Pope in the bubble tea. I'm sorry man.
That's why I got pooping dyslexia, but it's fair enough. It's hard to keep straight like whatever. It. Just like you know guys doing adventurous things. I don't know go on them, but so Finn is doing this suicide run into the cannon that is going to crack open. The resistance base and. As I okay well at this point in the movie.
It is theoretically going to be the third resistant suicide bomber in this film. I was like okay, whatever. I actually think it's like OK. This is not an unreasonable character Arc for him if you're thinking about how is this character in this sequence of movies, but so he's he's flying. He's flying flying and then at the last minute Rose.
Flies in from like unspecified impossible angle and knocks him off of the beam. And like they crashed to the side, and he rightly yelled at her like what are you doing? And I sort of got Brady? I recorded it in the movie theater the second time around because I was like I have to make sure I remembered this correctly because the sea is so ridiculous.
She goes I saved you dummy right like oh you fool like popping him on the nose in a playful way in this in this moment, and it's like this is how we're going to win by saving the people that we love not sacrificing ourselves for the things that we hate and in what? Think might be one of the most ridiculous things.
I have ever seen in cinematic history. They are about to kiss and you see the laser beam in the background crack open the rebel base right entirely presumably because of her doing this dumb thing to save a boy that in this moment you find out she likes because she leans over and kisses him like as the base is exploding in the background the first time.
I saw Brady. I swear to God. I have never come closer to just totally losing my movie theater oside that delay makes you think that. Fins run would have been successful because because it happened long enough afterwards. I think that the movie very strongly implies that the Run would have been successful yea fact that he was prevented this from occurring.
It's like Forrest Gump saving Lieutenant Dan when Lieutenant Dan wanted to die Battlefield this move by this character is maybe the dumbest thing I've ever seen a character do in a movie and it's also an incredible moment to reveal that like she has a crush on. On a guy that is Let's Be Frank.
Ridiculously out of her league, and she's gonna kiss him now as the rebel base is cracked open like a goddamn egg in the background and everybody is going to die as like. I was so close to just losing it in the theater like I was like do not laugh out loud and uproarious way at this moment like there are other people in the theater the first time around, but like don't do this don't be that guy and I was barely able to like Crush that laughter.
On inside of me because it was so absurd it was so absurd. He rose. I hate her so much. I'm getting that impression her character is just so. Stupid at every turn and I think the actress was not a good actress, which certainly didn't help, but it's like I couldn't stand her and that was this amazing crowning.
Glory for her as a character like and of course because it's a movie like things work out. I guess, but she has no reason to think this is going to work out like it's terrible. It's so bad. You just don't understand. Love gray. Yeah. It's true. I don't understand love and from the look on Finn's face.
He doesn't understand love because he seems. Pretty surprised about what has just occurred there, so yeah, it's awful. It's maybe one of the worst things. I've ever seen in the movie. Wow, so Luke Skywalker comes to town he does he does turns out its Force projection. Yes girl doing astral projection is what he's doing.
Yeah, which is a new. Jedi skill new skill which would have been a real game-changer on numerous occasions like late speeding through ships astral projection by Jedi's game-changer in many scenarios. Why did I ever put themselves in Risky situations at all if they can just do it from? Afar I don't understand.
Why don't they send Force ghosts who can bring down lightning bolts from the sky to resolve situations. I don't know that's true you why does it? Yo di. Just turn up and bring down lightning bolts on those 80 eighties. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the thing that I found ee confusing about that is.
It's so similar to the established Force ghosts thing anyway like I was kind of assuming that Luke was a force Ghost in This Moment yeah, and I thought it would be much more poignant. Yeah, realized that he is already dead as opposed to dying after exerting himself demonstrating a skill that you never even had any idea was possible before yeah, I found it a weird choice because like this skill is so similar to an existing skill in this universe.
I don't know why. You need to do this like why don't you just make up that he's such a good Force ghost he doesn't have to have the blue glowy bit around him. Yeah has Kylie rent even ever met Force Coast like did he know that Force ghosts exist if he doesn't then then Luke can just be a Blu E person and be like I'm so powerful.
You don't have any idea what's going on Kyle Wren boo. I can maybe force ghosts. Can't hold things but astral projection. I think it's called Force projection. Can yeah, maybe one way or another Luke Skywalker dies as a result of this. So this is a big deal killing Luke Skywalker. I like that.
That's as big as it gets so the things that I think about that is did. He just die from exhaustion. That's the feeling I get is it was like such an incredible effort. He had an aneurysm that's sort of my thought on it. I wish he wasn't floating like a Buddha when he did it that was a bit of a leaking of galaxies again, but yeah, why did he have to be floating when he did it wouldn't that use even more energy couldn't be sitting in a chair.
Yeah, anyway. I don't know maybe there's a reason you have to float with you. X trust when you force projecting I do think it's a shame that. Of all the things he could give his life for it was like to buy a few minutes for a ragtag group of rebels. Yeah, it wasn't like he did something amazing that save the Galaxy was just like a momentary distraction.
Yeah, seemed a bit bit trivial. They could have had plenty of time if someone had kamikazes into that Cannon. Yeah, they wouldn't be short on minutes. If that was the case, but you know. Oh well opportunity lost also when Luke appeared in the base and said hi to Leia. Did Lion know that that was a projection or was her like reunited moment with her brother like a big fraud that she didn't even know was going on.
I felt really bad for her when Hans dice disappeared his like Luke gives her astral projection dice that. He knows are going to disappear When ya dies. I didn't think about that is that like a cruel joke or just she supposed to know I read it that C3PO did know. Is Luke gives him like a cheeky wink.
I don't know if that was intended or not, but that was kind of my reading is that if anyone should know like the Droid should know it's not Luke. I thought it was more. Hey you going on buddy. Good to see again, but you're right. He would have realized that he didn't have like a heartbeat and all those life readings, and yeah, it's a weird thing and I agree with you that Luke sacrifice.
Here is what once again for. Really small Stakes. Yeah, it's for a couple of minutes of time so that yeah a dozen people who are the entire remainder of the resistance can get away. It wasn't big enough to cost Luke Skywalker his life. It seemed trivial. I didn't even think about it until you mentioned it, but.
Irie only realize now that I had zero emotional impact from the death of Luke Skywalker yeah, and it was so absent it didn't even register in my brain that I had no resonance in this moment. It was just like I guess Luke's dead now, okay? And move right along those dice. I realize that there are a few skills from the original film where there are dice hmm people don't need to like tell me that about the dice, but whatever you tell me about the dice.
They have never been part of the Star Wars feel more important, or associated with out solely in any way so to then make them this like really special thing that would like move Luke to see them and then would move layer. Well. I wasn't moved and I know all these characters as well so the dice was silly and making them dice as well, which is.
A fluffy dice on a rear view mirror like so again leakage yeah, its total leakage you had you think about, but how they ended up going for their Return of the King endings they they couldn't bear to in the film, and then they gave us this boy looking up into space and OK boy looking up into space this connects back to me in a thing that I feel like oh God.
Please don't let this happen. There's one of my little underlying problems with the whole movie and a bit of this like leakage hmm. I feel like the movie was really trying to push this idea of like regular people are resisting.
Like the resistance is all of us I'd like and we only have 13 actual people left in the real like resistance so like how do they solve this problem? They have to solve this problem with some kind of like massive Uprising. There's just something about like we have Secret Rings with the rebel logo on it that just don't like it like she's showing a secret ring and the little boy knows like oh, yes, of course.
I'm only eight, but I know which side. I'm supposed to be on in this little slave world. There's also lines that just like. Talking about allies to the resistance. Oh these people on the Outer Rim they keep referring to yeah, there's all these people on the Outer Rim who are like allies to the resistance.
Oh yeah, and when when Laura Dern. Shows up who again. I just like it is unfortunate that she's like she's so well-known and her outfit made her look like she fell out of The Hunger Games and into this movie. Yeah, she is always looked really out of place. I could just don't believe you here, but then she she starts off again with this idea that like the resistance is now this thing that is here for she says quote like the downtrodden and oppressed across the Galaxy, and it's just like I don't like this.
It feels like you're trying to have this weird political thing that you. Referencing and I don't want to draw parallels between Star Wars Galaxies and our world exactly that is unnecessary there was even like a throwaway line where when they had like Mars show up on the Skype call to tell them to go find the code breaker dude and like Maas.
What are you doing? And she's like I'm involved in a union dispute right now. You don't want to know the details. I'm like. It's like a fucking course. She is right of course. She's there fighting for union rights like wherever the hell. She is I'm trying to stop voter suppression here on Tatooine honest-to-god it might as well be that any one of these things doesn't matter, but when you like keep hitting.
It's like oh who's the real bad guys in this universe like all these rich people are the real bad guys. Who are the great people on our side the downtrodden and oppressed like they are on our side. We need to stop gerrymandering on Endor it totally wouldn't have felt out of place. If there was a moment about like oh these people don't have voting rights.
It. Just plays you out of it, and I feel like. It's setting up this idea that like oh the resistance is all of us like we're all going to be the resistance I did notice that they they pulled a little trick at the end of the movie, which I thought like it was was my tiny spark of hope. That allowed them to pull a linguistic change.
Where is it like? Oh the Rebellion is born today. It's like okay great. We can get away from this like calling it The Resistance thing you're clearly in the next movie. Just going to call the rebels again it. That's great because it's it's it's uncomfortable, but because I wanted to get Rebel scum in didn't I used Rebel scum.
Yeah, they used Rebel scum so much that I never want to use it again as a joke because it's like oh now that you've owned it where he's like. Oh, I'm Rebel scum like I never want to make that joke again. Thanks movie. I just feel like the slave children. Were like a focal point of this idea that we're now like all the downtrodden and oppressed in the universe are on our side even though.
We're only. You know 13 terrorists like that's what's going to happen here like I don't like it. I don't like it at all and the fact that it's like a vaguely new Anakin kid doesn't make me feel any better about it. Did you find it distracting or entering your thoughts a lot watching the film knowing that Carrie Fisher had died and how they're going to deal with this.
I thought about it a little bit only because I think that the movie should have killed Carrie Fisher in the beginning when she gets blown out of the bridge. That's why I assumed it happened. Yeah. I don't know what they're planning on doing that but it felt like boy. You really missed an opportunity to have an amazing impactful sudden death for a main character that we've known and loved for many years.
She didn't contribute much after that point. She wasn't necessary after that point. No except. Maybe she'd already filmed all the saints, and you couldn't get her out. I think that's what it is like they already filmed bunch of scenes, so they went to her in also if you killed Leia straight away that provides a pretty good reason to hate the first order.
And her like Mary Poppins in her way back onto the bridge was really uncomfortable, but yeah, she doesn't really do anything later in the movie. I have no idea what they're going to do in the next part like I was aware of it, but I wouldn't say I was distracted by it like where you all I was always waiting because I thought they'd kill her off so I was always waiting for it to happen.
And that happened early, and I thought OK yeah, okay, and then she like comes back to life. I was like oh, okay. She's still in the film, but I think the way it works with reboots is you have a one main character death quota moving so we got rid of on this one gets rid of Luke in exchange for two minutes of time so the next one has to be Leia.
I that's you have a spread it out. I think that's the way it works ok. And the other key notes are things you want to talk about now. I feel like I hit my main ones Casino land is terrible, and I don't like the real world leaking in to my Star Wars in language and. Weird political references so great last year when we did Rogue one, which you didn't like and I kind of did like but I feel like I didn't do it justice in the Pod car right now.
I sort of got dragged along with you a bit and started kicking it while it was down honey. Seen it twice, but I feel more and more positive about Rogue one as time goes by and after watching this film. It made me feel even more positive about ruin like I want more films like. Egg 1 unless films like this one that I saw today gray because Rogue one.
It doesn't mess with the Canon so much. But still feels related and part of the Star Wars Universe it felt grown up like it still felt like a grown-up film like it wasn't so sanitized and this film didn't. Feels like as much of a film for grownups, and I know Styles films families, and they're not just made for me, but I like films that are made for me of course and Rogue one felt made for me and like if I was going to go and put a Star Wars film on right now downstairs.
I put Rogue one on hmm. Let me ask you this because I know you don't like Road one right, and it sounds that you didn't like this one very much. How would you compare this one? The Last Jedi and Rogue one which was better of the two well I know I've just been complaining for two hours about this movie right, but I think this is important what I'm about to say I feel like this is this is the last time.
I've watched a Star Wars movie in the sense that I feel like something has now broken in my brain where I'm not watching Star Wars movies like I'm watching movies that are set in the Star Wars. Universe yeah, and now I'm going to have just as much expectation of enjoyment as I do it when I'm watching a Marvel movie where it's like.
I've watched all the Marvel movies and like they're fine some of them are better than others, but none of them are great movies, but all of them are. Products to print a million dollars or actually should say quite literally a billion dollars and like what I watch like I watch a bad Marvel movie like Age of Ultron is like.
I just feel like okay. Well that was that was a really bad one that wasn't good. But there's going to be a million of these and I think this is now the way I feel about the stock like my expectations while watching the movie got lowered because I feel like this movie veered into a weird parody of itself, but I now have just like.
No expectations or anticipation of any of these movies in the future so I feel like this is the last time. I will have walked into a theater feeling like I'm going to watch Star Wars movie, and that's just over now. I'm in now. That's much easy as well now that Luke and Hannah both gone. Yeah lukin Hannah both gone, but it's also just the world like the world is different, so I enjoyed this movie more.
More than Rogue one, but I enjoyed it in the sense of now. It's just like any giant Cinematic Universe movie. It's just like a movie. Oh do you want to go see the latest Star Wars flick like yeah, I guess whatever like oh do you want to see the new Marvel movie like yeah sure OK, you know it's a machine that turns out things that are sometimes interesting or sometimes not and similarly with the Marvel movies.
I feel like the. Plot contrivances and weirdness of the structure of those movies is like this is just what these things are like there's beats that a studio wants to hit for particular movies, and you need tie-ins to keep franchises going as like. Okay. This is all just part of this machine, and I'll watch movies in the future, but I don't think I'm ever going to be like wow like you know.
I'm gonna go see a Star Wars movie, and it's great so I personally. Like Road want a lot more, but I enjoyed this one more, but for the wrong reasons, so that's the way I feel about it. Can you imagine the time coming where you don't go and see a Star Wars movie? I mean. Yeah, simply because I imagine there's going to be a lot of them.
I don't feel the need to. See all of the movies. We also have the weird problem that we are now getting stuck in some kind of Christmas tradition which is complain about the Star Wars for two hours on Christmas morning Merry Christmas listen to to grumpy nerds like complain about the thing to end this episode then can you think of anything positive about this film The Last Jedi lies there anything about it and with something positive.
Oh, yeah there were things. I liked I like the force conversations between. Kyllo, Andrei, I thought that was a really nice nicely done thing that felt like this is a believable Force addition the two of them talking. I thought that was great raise good again. No as good. Not as good, but she got there.
She was not as good because she didn't have as much to do. I think fin became a better actor between the last time I saw him in this time because he was a little cringe-worthy for me in the first one, but I think he was fine on-screen yeah, but I gotta say like the best thing about the movie by far was Kyle Wren.
I really like this. Portrayal of this like angsty Sith guy, and I think it's a character. That is so easy to do wrong, but that actor they have playing Kyla rent. I just think he Nails it like I find him really believable as this angsty upset uncertain, but like Raleigh powerful. Villain every scene he was in like this is great.
I could have a whole movie of just this guy. I think kind of like Ray carried the first movie. I think Kai low-rent totally carried this movie, so he was my favorite thing. I think you're right. I think you're right one night. I made part way through the film was that usually when you're saying when you're watching anything.
There are storylines. You can't wait to get back to or ones that you don't like as much there was a part in the myth of this film where. No matter. What story they cut too. I was this one like there was nothing there was nothing. I wanted them to cut so there was no story going on at the moment. I was thinking I want more of that.
I liked all the jokes. I didn't like the joking around. I like that after a mutiny occurs they cut to a Spaceballs joke where an iron comes down and they pretended to ship for a couple of seconds before they reveal that it's an iron. I write that down that was another classic Lake. I think it got that looks like an iron and then they.
They played on that and then when they did it. I was like. I wish you hadn't done that yeah. I wish you hadn't done that after him Mutiny right. Yeah, we should end this podcast by both saying May the force be with you at the same time and then like jingle and say jinx. I'm gonna end just looking up at the night sky holding a broom.
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