Adult Content User Group/10/03/2011

==Attendees List==
*Couldbe (couldbe)
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*CrystalShard Foo (crystalshard.foo)
*eric (eric)
*Evelynn Kidd (evelynn.kidd)
*Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Liisa Runo (liisa.runo)
*Nal (nal)
*Qie (qie)
*Serjourn Daxter (serjourn.daxter)
*Viale Linden (viale.linden)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
==Transcript for Monday October 3, 2011==
[10:04]	Qie 	Greetings, Viale.
[10:05]	Innula Zenovka 	Hi, Serjourn, Ravena
[10:05]	Zada Bury 	Heya Viale ^_^
[10:05]	Evelynn Kidd 	welcome only
[10:05]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Viale (Hi Avenue)
[10:05]	Serjourn Daxter 	Serjourn Daxter smiles
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[10:06]	Serjourn Daxter 	Hi all
[10:06]	Viale Linden 	Hi everyone
[10:07]	Viale Linden 	rezzing in slow
[10:07]	Huntress Catteneo	hehe
[10:07]	Zada Bury 	Hmmm ... maybe someone should fill a ticket to LL ^.^
[10:07]	Evelynn Kidd 	tee hee (tea hee)
[10:07]	Viale Linden 	I hope everyone had a good weekend
[10:08]	Serjourn Daxter 	Serjourn Daxter nods
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[10:08]	Zada Bury 	*nods* yes, good here
[10:08]	Huntress Catteneo	nope
[10:08]	Innula Zenovka 	fine, thanks. .how was yours, viale? (Finally, thanks. . How was yours Avenue?)
[10:10]	Viale Linden 	The news that everyone is waiting for will need to hold as I have not had a chance to discuss with the winning proposal and they may need some privacy prior to launch
[10:10]	Huntress Catteneo	lol
[10:10]	CrystalShard Foo 	CrystalShard Foo didn't know she was waiting for news
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[10:10]	Viale Linden 	The good newsis that we have a great partner
[10:11]	Evelynn Kidd 	i guess that means my proposal didn't win
[10:11]	Evelynn Kidd 	kiddding
[10:11]	Counter Landfall 	Is the current Zindra sim part of the deal?
[10:11]	Viale Linden 	We also have some prep work todo. (We Also Have Some prep work around.)
[10:12]	Viale Linden 	What is indra sim?
[10:12]	Huntress Catteneo	the one been and gone, mosh
[10:12]	Zada Bury 	"Mosh south"
[10:12]	Counter Landfall 	Zindra
[10:12]	Viale Linden 	This will be a much larger gateway than zindra sim
[10:12]	Huntress Catteneo	some can't let go
[10:13]	Viale Linden 	they need to
[10:13]	Qie 	right, well, Mosh South is another matter to deal with at some point, but... the Gateway is of acute interest now
[10:13]	Innula Zenovka 	when do you think you will be in a position to let us know, Viale?
[10:13]	Qie 	I'm gonna assume that the partner isn't Stroker... else there may be problems. :p
[10:13]	Huntress Catteneo	lol
[10:13]	Nal 	lol
[10:14]	Zada Bury 	*whispers* That's why Viale can't say right now ...
[10:14]	Evelynn Kidd 	:-))
[10:14]	Viale Linden 	well - you all sound like you are looking for a story
[10:14]	Viale Linden 	no drama today
[10:15]	Viale Linden 	In other news
[10:15]	Huntress Catteneo	marketplace person?
[10:15]	Zada Bury 	We ... drama ... neeeeveeeer ^.^
[10:15]	Qie 	In lieu of drama: whoever the partner is, whenever any of us can be of any help, they shouldn't hesitate to ask. (well, speaking for myself, anyway)
[10:15]	Viale Linden 	I wanted to let you know we are looking at ways to make the users groups scale beyond 1 hoour a day and better suited for users throughout the world
[10:16]	Nal 	User groups scale? And who is we?
[10:16]	Huntress Catteneo	I have no idea what that means
[10:16]	Zada Bury 	"Longer meetings" so?
[10:16]	Viale Linden 	As you know some cannot attend these meeetings and participate
[10:16]	Zada Bury 	For the case, it's needed?
[10:18]	Qie 	asynchronous "meetings"... forums... Google-plus
[10:18]	Viale Linden 	Also the existing users gorups are very speciific and we need to broaden
[10:18]	Viale Linden 	Qie - do you sit next to me
[10:18]	CrystalShard Foo 	CrystalShard Foo avoid the Plus because of real name fiasco (?)
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[10:18]	Qie 	Qie looks innocent
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[10:19]	Nal 	Broaden? The point of being specific is to solve problems and get things down. How do you plan to broaden meetings?
[10:19]	Nal 	things done^
[10:19]	Viale Linden 	asyncronous would be good
[10:20]	Zada Bury 	Hmmm ... can you describe a bit more specific?
[10:20]	Viale Linden 	We do not solve many problems in current format
[10:21]	Viale Linden 	However we need to kee dialogue open
[10:21]	Viale Linden 	The zindra sim is a great example
[10:21]	Counter Landfall 	well, I don't think that will go way async or not as the big hurdles often lies with you
[10:21]	CrystalShard Foo 	I think these meetings are good for bringing up points and helps dialog. It shouldn't remain as the only way to talk about things, tho. asynchronious conversation is good.
[10:21]	Huntress Catteneo	most of the timr we talk superficially about stuff, or it is get back to you, look into it
[10:21]	Viale Linden 	We collected great feedback and it informed our decisison process
[10:22]	Viale Linden 	some of the best input I received was from asynchronous notes sent to me
[10:22]	CrystalShard Foo 	SL does have a forum.... kind of sorta. Even tho it can't handle simple things like bumping threads. Still, it's there. Could use it.
[10:23]	Zada Bury 	Maybe a fixed time with a shorter formate would be good and some asyncronus stuff for "issues" is fine?
[10:24]	Viale Linden 	I have also given your feedback to the commerce or marketplace Producers from last week. We will need to to find ways to continue that conversation
[10:24]	Liisa Runo 	(threads get bumped in the SL forum after user set some setting, maybe some day LL enable tis behavior by default)
[10:25]	Nal 	Commerce has refused to talk with the community and worked in private. They created frustion to such a massive level they cannot say a word without getting jumped on.
[10:25]	Counter Landfall 	I agree aboutnthe communications from commerce. It simply does not woark at all in async mode
[10:26]	Viale Linden 	we will find a way to create more dialogue there - beyond adult content
[10:26]	Nal 	Mode doesn't really matter... it doesn't work at all at this point.
[10:28]	Viale Linden 	We will be meeting in 2 weeks from today and would like to receive some agenda items via community@lindenlab.com
[10:29]	Nal 	What about using something a bit more consistant with how other groups work?
[10:29]	Evelynn Kidd 	send us an update on the 4 sims in the meantime
[10:30]	Viale Linden 	Nal ~ you could propose that
[10:30]	Innula Zenovka 	does that mean you won't be making an announcement about the welcome centre for two weeks?
[10:30]	Viale Linden 	I will discuss with the partner
[10:30]	Viale Linden 	They may not be ready for inquiries
[10:31]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks
[10:31]	Viale Linden 	As you can imagine - its a lot to take on and dont want to overwehlem them
[10:31]	Counter Landfall 	they can send out a press release
[10:31]	Counter Landfall 	or Q&A
[10:31]	Viale Linden 	something like that
[10:32]	Viale Linden 	Lindens wont lead
[10:32]	Viale Linden 	Thisis a community thing
[10:33]	Counter Landfall 	axtually it is not. it is a commercial arrangement between you and some group
[10:33]	Viale Linden 	However I will assure you. Thepartner is very savvy and an existing community within SL
[10:33]	Huntress Catteneo	mmm did keep saying 'partner'
[10:34]	Huntress Catteneo	that is good at least
[10:34]	Viale Linden 	They are pros at welcoming residents to the adult community and SL in general
[10:34]	Evelynn Kidd 	i love the clues
[10:34]	Qie 	that's very encouraging.
[10:34]	Viale Linden 	self sustaining too
[10:34]	eric 	NCI
[10:35]	eric 	(I dnk) ((In DNK))
[10:35]	Evelynn Kidd 	is it an american group?
[10:35]	Viale Linden 	Take care Ravena
[10:35]	Innula Zenovka 	bye for now Ravena
[10:35]	Viale Linden 	Evelyn...
[10:35]	Huntress Catteneo	we playing 20 questions?
[10:35]	Evelynn Kidd 	exactly, 20 questions
[10:35]	Huntress Catteneo	hehe
[10:36]	Viale Linden 	I will tell you this - soemone from this group introduced me to this group and I was very surpised
[10:36]	Evelynn Kidd 	aha
[10:36]	Viale Linden 	So you had a big impact in making this decision
[10:36]	Viale Linden 	No drama too
[10:37]	Viale Linden 	they are very professional
[10:37]	Evelynn Kidd 	that lets out most of the groups i know
[10:37]	Viale Linden 	anyways
[10:37]	Huntress Catteneo	anyway, any headway with market place, no person present so that fell through?
[10:37]	CrystalShard Foo 	I'd guess more "delayed" than "fell through"
[10:37]	Viale Linden 	Nal - what do you like about how the other grousp are run? This group has made major progress - more promotion etc...
[10:39]	Viale Linden 	Huntress ~ your feedback was shared
[10:39]	Viale Linden 	Nal?
[10:39]	Nal 	Well... they do take care of issue that affect the group. The keep meeting tmes and location updated. They step through a pre-publishde agenda that people have had to preare for. Meetings are kept on topic. There is some free flow of ideas and unscheduled topics but they stay in the gereal dircection of the group.
[10:39]	Viale Linden 	What group do you like attending and what can we learn from them?
[10:40]	Nal 	had time to preare for^
[10:40]	Viale Linden 	Which one
[10:40]	Nal 	Charlar and Oskar both do a good job of doing meetngs
[10:40]	Viale Linden 	Mesh.
[10:41]	Nal 	And Beta Server
[10:41]	Viale Linden 	OK
[10:41]	Viale Linden 	good to know
[10:41]	Nal 	Simulator users too
[10:41]	Counter Landfall 	development oriented groups are much easier to structure than this lot
[10:41]	Viale Linden 	This is very different
[10:41]	Qie 	right
[10:41]	Viale Linden 	This is a community and not a product
[10:41]	Viale Linden 	so to speak
[10:41]	Nal 	You don't think this is a development group?
[10:41]	Counter Landfall 	it is not Nal
[10:42]	Evelynn Kidd 	promotion
[10:42]	Viale Linden 	How many usually attend those grousp?
[10:42]	Counter Landfall 	things dicussed here is very policy driven
[10:42]	Nal 	Promotion is not a project that can be developed?
[10:42]	Evelynn Kidd 	promotiong Zindra
[10:43]	Viale Linden 	Is it a large group?
[10:43]	Evelynn Kidd 	We were all forced to move here and lost our cientelle
[10:43]	Nal 	Whether is is a server feature or promtion of a group in SL it runs up against LL policy.
[10:44]	Innula Zenovka 	we're adult content rather than just Zindra, though, i hope...
[10:44]	Viale Linden 	+1 Innula
[10:45]	Viale Linden 	nal ~ we used to have a vigorous agenda
[10:45]	Evelynn Kidd 	yes innula this group is adult content
[10:45]	Nal 	Until we know what LL poicy and direction is, how can anyone know what they can do? I do stats. The only part of SL that is growing is the Zindra continent.
[10:45]	Viale Linden 	however, we have addressed many of the concerns
[10:45]	Viale Linden 	Wea re now trying to move on past the Gateway. I think we have been rather successful
[10:46]	Viale Linden 	This place used to be very drama filled
[10:46]	Evelynn Kidd 	agreed
[10:47]	Viale Linden 	I think LL has done a good job here in making the attendees happier
[10:47]	Evelynn Kidd 	i was agreeing we were successful
[10:48]	Viale Linden 	But your feedback is true - we need to move on to more agenda items
[10:48]	Viale Linden 	Qie and Counter keep me in line
[10:48]	Couldbe 	have you changed the way new signups are directed to the old gateways recently?
[10:49]	Viale Linden 	The old Gatways have been moved to the Destination Guide
[10:49]	Nal 	Anyting people are passionate about gets drama filled. The facilitator deals with that and keeps it under control or not. So, I'm not at all sure having or not having drama is a telling critieria. I measure sucess by the decisions that get made. Democratic decisions are slow, drama filled and tedious. LL is a ditatoship and should be much clearner and faster.
[10:49]	Viale Linden 	This way they are given more eyes past registartion
[10:49]	Couldbe 	you might like to review that assumption
[10:49]	Viale Linden 	The old issue was the noobs had to choose between community and orientation
[10:49]	Viale Linden 	Most chose Orientation
[10:50]	Viale Linden 	And they had no chance of findin their niche past registration
[10:50]	CrystalShard Foo 	Why not drop them at Community after Orientation?
[10:50]	Viale Linden 	We also found that the users that went through welcome had a longer survival rate
[10:51]	Couldbe 	longer than those that went through the gateway?
[10:51]	Couldbe 	that is interesting
[10:51]	Viale Linden 	Yes
[10:51]	Viale Linden 	I was surprised too
[10:51]	CrystalShard Foo 	CrystalShard Foo frankly thinks the original tutorial/welcome drop from 2004 was the best design so far
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[10:51]	Viale Linden 	can yall access this
[10:51]	Nal 	That seems to be a reversal from those that went through help groups for welcoming.
[10:51]	Viale Linden 	shouts: http://viewer-login.agni.lindenlab.com/
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[10:52]	Viale Linden 	We now try to show communities past registration
[10:52]	Viale Linden 	and we hope to make this accessible past SL viewer login screen
[10:52]	Viale Linden 	We are working with TPVs to use this in their viewerrs
[10:53]	Innula Zenovka 	that would be helpful.. i often see stuff when i'm logging in i would like to check out later, but then can't find it again when i'm free to explore
[10:53]	Nal 	They need to fix the duplicates that show up in What's Hot.
[10:53]	CrystalShard Foo 	I always assumed that the way it would work is having the new user pick a community type and then go through basic, quick orientation before being dropped off at their custom community choice
[10:54]	Viale Linden 	So at the end of welcome, we offer users to pcik their second location
[10:54]	Nal 	I have the same problem as Innula. I'm logging in for a reason and then have to log out to return to that screen.
[10:55]	Viale Linden 	Naql & Innula - noted
[10:55]	Viale Linden 	We are fixcing that - very lame and I agree
[10:55]	Viale Linden 	I often keep that web page open
[10:55]	Viale Linden 	to reaccess because I want to attend whats hot now
[10:56]	Viale Linden 	Good news - Whats hot now pulls from entire Destination Guide
[10:57]	Viale Linden 	Its a work in progress
[10:57]	Viale Linden 	And I envision the social and destination guide merging into a recommendations piece
[10:57]	Viale Linden 	If you love that, you will also love this
[10:58]	Viale Linden 	Are any of you familar with instagram?
[10:58]	Nal 	Keeping it in a browser is a work-around. It will be niec to have Wht's Hot in the sidebar somewhere...
[10:58]	Zada Bury 	*shakes head*
[10:58]	Evelynn Kidd 	no (on)
[10:58]	Nal 	nope
[10:59]	Innula Zenovka 	what's instagram?
[10:59]	Viale Linden 	Instagram is a an Applause!! where folks will post pictures of sunsets etc..
[10:59]	Nal 	Looks like and Apple app
[10:59]	Viale Linden 	*.¸.*´ ? `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´ ? `*.¸.*´
[10:59]	Couldbe 	why instagram?
[10:59]	Viale Linden 	Applause!!
[10:59]	Viale Linden 	*.¸.*´ ? `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´ ? `*.¸.*´
[10:59]	Viale Linden 	funny
[10:59]	Viale Linden 	aplication (user application)
[11:00]	Evelynn Kidd 	lol
[11:00]	Zada Bury 	*chuckles*
[11:00]	Innula Zenovka 	whoops
[11:00]	Zada Bury 	a bit like the flickr-page?
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