Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2012-08-23

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on August 23, 2012
== Agenda ==
=== Updates ===
* Second Life Server Channel
* The maine-server project on Magnum is being promoted this week. 
* Bug Fixes
** llAttachToAvatarTemp fixes
* llTeleportAgent and llTeleportAgentGlobalCoords fixes
** Output a script error when a teleport is aborted because the agent to be teleported is not the owner of the object trying to teleport them.
** : "llTeleportAgent fails silently when user is not the owner"
* History: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/12#12.08.14.263480
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/12#12.08.14.263480
* BlueSteel RC Channel
* This is an maint-server project again.
* Bug Fixes
** : 	s only change/inherit the active group when they're "rezzed
** : 	group owned objects appear as owned by (nobody) in Top Scripts and Top Colliders 
** : 	Show in search and set for sale remain enabled after owner changed
** : 	Large object instant messages can corrupt returned object location URL making it impossible to determine the object's location.
** : 	Searching legacy names in the "Choose Resident" floater with a period returns no result
** : 	Selected objects move when a new keyframe motion is started
** : 	Scripted agents can't abandon land on private estates
** : 	Please automatically unmute avatars who have muted themselves, and prevent this from occuring server-side.
** : 	When TPing using a landmark the server sends two TeleportStart packets 
** : 	Scripts created by Residents who are limited to only the General maturity rating do not function as expected when inside an object that the scripter created that is running in a Moderate or Adult region 
** : 	llInsertString & llSubStringIndex support for 4 bytes characters broken since 12.02.06.248938 
** : 	The http_request() event fails to trigger in child prims that do not use llHTTPResponse() after it has received 64 HTTP requests and will not trigger again even if the script is reset. 
** : Excessive "ParcelOverlay reliable" messages sent by regions since last rolling restart (2012-08-08)
** : Attachment point pelvis not being released
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/12#12.08.17.263666
* LeTigre RC Channel
* This is the same as BlueSteel
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/12#12.08.17.263666
* Magnum RC Channel
* This is another maint-server
* Bug Fixes
** : Object on land sending excessive messages. The messages sent from the simulator about objects now contain location information, making them easier to find and return. Was "Object on land sending excessive messages"
** : llRezAtRoot() does not set correct parameters (for sale) on rezzed object in Second Life RC BlueSteel 12.08.03.263047 
** : Excessive "ParcelOverlay reliable" messages sent by regions since last rolling restart (2012-08-08)
** : Attachment point pelvis not being released
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/12#12.08.17.263676
=== Upcoming Stuff ===
=== Interesting Stuff ===
* https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Good_Building_Practices
** Share that link.
=== Transcript ===
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Server Beta User Group for August 23, 2012:
* [14:58] SonicAnd Miles: sup everyone
* [14:58] Kallista Destiny: Ave Oskar
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: good day
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: ladies and avs
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: let's give people a few minutes
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: also I am in a post prandial lethargy
* [15:01] Conover's Flight-Helper 6.3.3 (WEAR ME!): Flight-helper is ready and operational.
* [15:02] Kallista Destiny: Ave Oskar, laguri te salutant.
* [15:02] Kallista DestinyKallista Destiny snickers
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: mmmmmmm snickers
* [15:03] Nalates Urriah: I had to look that one up...
* [15:03] Kallista Destiny: not Snickers, snickers
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: frozen snickers
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: mmmmm
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: we had a busy day at the lab today
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: it was demo day
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: we got to see what all the other teams are working on
* [15:04] Theresa Tennyson: Wju dpm
* [15:04] Kallista Destiny: Frozen Chocolate covered Bananas... om nom nom nom
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: and I got a new jacket!
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: :-o
* [15:04] Theresa Tennyson: Oh, I thought you were walking around with boxes over your heads.
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: with Linden Lab written on it
* [15:05] Marigold Devin: Full Metal Jacket?
* [15:05] Kallista Destiny: Ohhh cool
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: that is for after work
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: it's cool
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: and it's the right kind of fleece that it will attract EVERY hair that my white cat sheds
* [15:05] Theresa Tennyson: Are you sure that's safe? You've already been recognized.
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: it will be a black jacket for not very long
* [15:05] Kallista Destiny: So it's dark
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:05] Marigold Devin: I can swap you for a friendly black cat if you want
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: is there any other color?
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: I have a black cat too
* [15:06] Marigold Devin: aww
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: she sheds on my white clothes
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: I like me mah kitties
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: I try to teach them tricks
* [15:06] Marigold Devin: I'm sure there are a queue of people waiting to defluff you with Sellotape
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: like fetch my slippers
* [15:06] Kallista Destiny: Remember there are two kinds of dirt, light dirt which is attracted to dark objects and dark dirt which is attracted to light objects.
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: and get me a beer
* [15:06] Theresa Tennyson: The operative word is "try"
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: but the only trick they have mastered is sit
* [15:07] Marigold Devin: And stare?
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: and sleep
* [15:07] Kallista Destiny: ...like hearding cats.
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: Kato and Gigi
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: Kato is crosseyed and adorable
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: Gigi is an old lady now
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: very prim and proper
* [15:07] Marigold DevinMarigold Devin loves cats
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: Kato is a punk kid
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: but full of love
* [15:08] Marigold Devin: But I guess you can't talk about cats for the whole of this UG
* [15:08] Marigold Devin: (you can for me)
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: aaaaaaaaaaanyway
* [15:08] Kallista Destiny: Does he poince at inopportune moments so you can say ."Not now, Kato you fool!"?
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: I will stop talking about cats
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: until I can find that pic
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: I had a great cat pic
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: now where is it
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: hmm
* [15:09] Marigold Devin: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/418974_432776666764118_1287781039_n.jpg that one?
* [15:10] Kallista Destiny: Ave Maestro, laguri te salutant.
* [15:10] Theresa Tennyson: Hi Maestro!
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: hmm
* [15:10] Maestro Linden: Hi there
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: my machine just kinda started lagging
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: yes marigold!
* [15:10] Marigold Devin: blame Maestro
* [15:10] Kallista Destiny: See i told you.....
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: that pic :-D
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: I love that one
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: HUMAN STAHP
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: so great
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: ok
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: lemme find the agenda
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
* [15:11] Kallista Destiny: The look of utter disgust.. poor kitteh.
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: there we go
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: that pic cracks me up
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: I love it
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: so how is everyone this week
* [15:12] Marigold Devin: Gotta cold, so a bit snotty
* [15:12] Kallista Destiny: meh
* [15:13] SonicAnd Miles: good
* [15:13] SonicAnd MilesSonicAnd Miles looks around
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: a cold?
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: that snot good
* [15:14] Marigold Devin: Ha.Ha.Ha.
* [15:14] Nalates Urriah: gross eck
* [15:14] Marigold Devin: Or it might be a cat allergy
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: sooo LeTigre with no real changes to simulator got promoted to main channel
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: so if you noticed nothing then yay
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: I'm wearing a suit today
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: in case I sounded more proper
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: *ahem*
* [15:15] Oskar LindenOskar Linden sits taller
* [15:15] Marigold Devin: Photo or we don't believe you ! ;P
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: black on black on black with a custom painted white tie featuring a stormtrooper
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: and a dapper hat
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: so but yeah
* [15:16] Marigold Devin: I can picture it now
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: BlueSteel and LeTigre
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: they have the same changes as before
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: with a fix for SVC-8124
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: we actually put the SVC-8124 fix on all RC's
* [15:17] Theresa Tennyson: It LOOKS like it works. Did you see my note in the forum on one of the Magnum sandboxes being non-Magnum?
* [15:17] Nalates Urriah: Did the Lab see an overall spike in bandwidth used?
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: yeah I haven't looked into it yet
* [15:18] Maestro Linden: Yeah, Magnum sandbox 1 and 4 are running on the main channel right now
* [15:18] Maestro Linden: I bugged support to move them back yesterday, but it looks like that didn't happen
* [15:18] Maestro Linden: I'll bug them again
* [15:19] Kallista Destiny: That way it will get promoted (most likley)
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: I just bugged coyot
* [15:19] Maestro Linden: Well, SVC-8146 is reported against the RCs (all of them)
* [15:19] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8146] llRezAtRoot() does not set correct parameters (for sale) on rezzed object in Second Life RC BlueSteel 12.08.03.263047 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8146
* [15:20] Maestro Linden: as are SVC-8177 and SVC-8178 (pretty much the same issue, I think)
* [15:20] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8177] There is different behaivior between the RC channels and the main channel involving permissions, objects loose modify permissions https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8178
* [15:20] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8178] Certain items change from no transfer to transfer after rezzing on an RC region https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8178
* [15:20] Maestro Linden: but those last two only seem to be affecting certain objects with 'corrupt' permissions, which nobody seems to be able to recreate in new objects
* [15:21] Kallista Destiny: I'm in touch with the group that makes the mention object... tyring to find if they can recreate it. with a new object.
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: repros help
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: especially when developers are like "dis aint brokd"
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: and maestro and I are like "well look at this"
* [15:22] Maestro Linden: Some devs are looking at the permissions issue to see how big it actually is. Kitto seems to consider SVC-8146 a blocker for promotion, but that ParcelOverlay fix might overrule it..
* [15:22] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8146] llRezAtRoot() does not set correct parameters (for sale) on rezzed object in Second Life RC BlueSteel 12.08.03.263047 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8146
* [15:23] Maestro Linden: We'll see :)
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: hard decisions
* [15:23] Kallista Destiny: well the object in question is clearly not working on all RC .. and is working on main
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: we'll see in the AM
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: *sigh*
* [15:23] Theresa Tennyson: Is the SVC-8124 fix something you can separate out?
* [15:23] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8124] Excessive "ParcelOverlay reliable" messages sent by regions since last rolling restart (2012-08-08) https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8124
* [15:24] Maestro Linden: Probably, but with our process it would still need to spend a week in RC
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: we can do anything, but it all takes a week
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: we put it into each RC because we really wanted the fix to go out
* [15:24] Kallista Destiny: nods
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: silly bugs
* [15:25] Kallista Destiny: some people are getting hit in the pocketbook
* [15:25] Marigold Devin: I can't wait to see what happens when some of them get their bills.
* [15:26] Nalates Urriah: Did the Lab see a bandwidth use spike from 8124?
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: not that I know of
* [15:27] Nalates Urriah: I've been using NetWorx monitor and is consistently way be low what I see in the Viewer Stats... how accurate is the bandwidth meter in the viewer?
* [15:27] Kallista Destiny: One person said their bill was $45.00 higher now exactly what dollar they're reporting ... my guess Oz.
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: I have no idea how accurate the vwr bw monitor is
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: or what it measures
* [15:28] Marigold Devin: Anyway, if the fix has been included, there's nothing more to be done.
* [15:29] Marigold Devin: Although I felt a warning of some kind should have been put on the log in screens, just in case not everyone is on fixed usage tarrif etc
* [15:29] Nalates Urriah: NetWorx is showing 8k right now and my viewer is showing 24k... I suppose for 8124 it is all relative anyway
* [15:29] Marigold Devin: I don;'t even understand that sentence
* [15:30] Marigold Devin: Not many of us here today; it's more like group therapy. Should have brought yoga mats or something
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:30] Kallista Destiny: OMMMMMM
* [15:30] Oskar LindenOskar Linden hands Marigold a kitten
* [15:30] Nalates Urriah: Viewer stats show 24k bw and Networx monitor shows 8k of use...
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: also SVC-8136 got fixed
* [15:31] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8136] Attachment point pelvis not being released https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8136
* [15:31] Marigold DevinMarigold Devin purrs and feels BP go down slowly but surely
* [15:31] Theresa Tennyson: You mentioned only seeing 12% of the viewer figure in Networx - that would suggest the viewer is in kiloBITS and Networx is in kiloBYTES.
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: in case your pelvic attachments were stuck
* [15:31] Kallista Destiny: Bits of data VS Bytes including headers?
* [15:31] Marigold DevinMarigold Devin looks down at my pelvic attachments - sh1t am I still wearing a strapon ^^^
* [15:31] Kallista Destiny: *chuckles*
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:32] Theresa Tennyson: It seemed mostly to be AKK horses...
* [15:32] Kallista Destiny: General region
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: hmm
* [15:32] Theresa TennysonTheresa Tennyson strokes Cappuccina's withers.
* [15:32] Marigold Devin: Just wanna say to Theresa, your advice to the dude about his kittycats on the forums was marvellous. Made me go "awww" in RL.
* [15:32] Marigold Devin: (or was it a dudess?)
* [15:32] Theresa Tennyson: Thank you...
* [15:33] Theresa Tennyson: I have one too. Or technically, my granddaughter (me on Agni) does.
* [15:33] Marigold Devin: Crikey Oskar, is it someone's last day at Linden Lab? Or have you got a good hacker in at Ahern/Morris? (or is it just clever photoshopping)?
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: what?
* [15:34] Marigold Devin: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Abuse-and-Griefing/I-was-logged-out-and-given-a-bizarre-error-that-contained/qaq-p/1646769
* [15:34] Marigold Devin: Sorry, it's so quiet here I popped out for a moment. Laughed at the photo he linked to though.
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: weeeeeeeeeeeird
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: I'll have someone look into it
* [15:36] Kadah CobaKadah Coba is finally not afk
* [15:36] Marigold Devin: Yeah weird. My alt has given him advice - but if you could - thanks.
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: yay kadah
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: magnum has some new fixes in it
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: SVC-7641
* [15:37] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7641] Object on land sending excessive messages https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7641
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: SVC-8146
* [15:37] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8146] llRezAtRoot() does not set correct parameters (for sale) on rezzed object in Second Life RC BlueSteel 12.08.03.263047 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8146
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: SVC-8124
* [15:37] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8124] Excessive "ParcelOverlay reliable" messages sent by regions since last rolling restart (2012-08-08) https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8124
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: and SVC-8136
* [15:37] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8136] Attachment point pelvis not being released https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8136
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: some of the same fixes
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: some new
* [15:38] Lucia Nightfire: ...missed half teh meeting
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: Lucia: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: that's the agenda
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: and we talked about cats
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: and Margold had to take high bloos pressure medicine
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: blood
* [15:40] Lucia Nightfire: did I miss any more ranting on SVC-8124?
* [15:40] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8124] Excessive "ParcelOverlay reliable" messages sent by regions since last rolling restart (2012-08-08) https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8124
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: it is fixed in all RC's
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: but you will still see it on main channel or on a region bordering a main channel
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: besides the upcoming threaded region crossing stage 2 code I don't think we have much upcoming
* [15:41] Marigold Devin: Passed you notecard so far Lucia, speed read if you can
* [15:42] Lucia Nightfire: faster than I'd get waiting on a copy of the OH on the web, heh
* [15:42] Lucia Nightfire: that'd be 2 weeks from now, lol
* [15:43] Theresa Tennyson: What's the ETA on the Phase 2 region-crossing project?
* [15:43] Marigold Devin: Oskar has to heavily edit it for all the obscenities (and cat conversations ) ;))
* [15:43] Kadah Coba: *Looks at agenda* What was wrong with llAttachToAvatarTemp?
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: stuff
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: security issues iirc
* [15:43] Kadah Coba: Ah
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: or something
* [15:43] Lucia Nightfire: llAttachToAvatarTemp() will fry v1 clients if you select the attachment, lol
* [15:43] Kadah Coba: It would be nice if there was a way on the LL viewer to detach rigged temp attachments.
* [15:43] Lucia Nightfire: and I'm not kidding
* [15:44] Kadah Coba: I don't have that issue, Lucia.
* [15:44] Marigold Devin: That's gonna be me fried then :((((((
* [15:44] Marigold Devin: I am such a dinosaur, with a dinosaur computer
* [15:44] Lucia Nightfire: http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/PHOE-4222
* [15:44] Lucia Nightfire: forgive the tpv jira ref
* [15:44] Marigold Devin: But someone's gotta test with the old stuff until the last light goes out
* [15:45] Theresa Tennyson: Ooo, the sun went down right after you said that...
* [15:45] Kadah Coba: I'll try to repro that again, but I haven't been so far.
* [15:45] Theresa Tennyson: Is there a rough timeframe on the new avatar-rendering server thingies?
* [15:46] Marigold Devin: spooky - I am truly a witch
* [15:46] Kadah Coba: I'd say 6 months.
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: I can bring the sun back
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: if you're good
* [15:47] Marigold Devin: I'm good. I'm good.
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: ok
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: I have nothing else from the agenda
* [15:48] Oskar LindenOskar Linden opens the floor
* [15:48] Oskar LindenOskar Linden falls through
* [15:48] Lucia Nightfire: I have to mention it again as I do in every OH until I can get a reply or acknowledge on the jira, but can a tech please look at WEB-4799?
* [15:48] Flame of Jira: [#WEB-4799] MapAPI cap broken for "Region name from global coordinates" https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-4799
* [15:49] Lucia Nightfire: if its a new cap id then please post it on that jira or the wiki, thanks
* [15:49] Marigold Devin: watch out for the sharks down there Oskar
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: I know Lucia
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: but yeah
* [15:50] Kallista Destiny: Speculation in the firestorm dev about the exit message above It's in notifications.xml or strings.xml and "it probably was from a roommate or a pissed off ex"
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: we don not as a company have a lot of resources for web projects at the moment
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: so... it might be broken for a while
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: I have brought it to the attention of those who would do something aboutit
* [15:51] Lucia Nightfire: WEB-4916 is also a pain, heh
* [15:51] Flame of Jira: [#WEB-4916] "Failed to load case #" https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-4916
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: we are working towards hiring some more resources towards the web front
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: we are pretty tightly drawn at the moment
* [15:53] SonicAnd Miles: so... I heard Oskar is going to have pizza show up at or doors RL and hes paying for it too.
* [15:53] Marigold Devin: Ohhh make mine a cheesecake rather than pizza
* [15:53] SonicAnd Miles: our*
* [15:53] SonicAnd Miles: XD
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: pizzacake
* [15:55] SonicAnd Miles: AHH!!!!
* [15:55] SonicAnd Miles: lol
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: with 5 minutes left anythings else?
* [15:55] Marigold Devin: This hour has passed a lot faster than double maths used to do at school
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: it has passed fast
* [15:56] Marigold Devin: Hey Oskar, this kitty you passed me earlier is going bald, I stroked her so much
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: I set the clock forward
* [15:56] Oskar LindenOskar Linden gives Marigold another kitty
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: extra hairy
* [15:57] Marigold Devin: Awwwww, /me puts little plaits into it's long tummy hair
* [15:57] Kallista DestinyKallista Destiny sneezes
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: well thank you for coming everyone
* [15:58] SonicAnd Miles: cya guys
* [15:59] SonicAnd Miles: quiet meeting today lol
* [15:59] fuse McGinnis: BYE ALL
* [15:59] Marigold Devin: Thank you for the kitties and everything
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: have a good weekend everyone
* [15:59] Oskar LindenOskar Linden waves
* [15:59] Marigold Devin: We'll try (not) to break everything
* [16:00] Kallista Destiny: Good night Oskar and Maestro
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: good evening!
* [16:03] Maestro Linden: okay time for the pathfinding huddle
* [16:03] Oskar Linden: l8r)