Bug triage/2009-04-01/Transcript

* [14:03] Bambers Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [14:03] Erinyse Planer: waves and warns everyone shes in a really really really bad mood
* [14:03] Bambers Linden: there's the agenda...
* [14:04] Morgaine Dinova: Only good moods allowed today, sorry
* [14:04] Alexa Linden: +1
* [14:04] Yann Dufaux: oh very cute av alexa :)
* [14:04] Alexa Linden: thanks :)
* [14:04] Squirrel Wood: Mind you, the agenda has only foolish issues on it today. To stay in tune with the date :p
* [14:04] Alexander9 Carver: does main grid have gteam office hours?
* [14:04] Gellan Glenelg: not atm
* [14:04] Alexander9 Carver: o
* [14:04] Erinyse Planer: not anymore
* [14:05] Squirrel Wood: gteam should have received two new throwaway alt names a minute ago
* [14:05] Erinyse Planer: gteam discontinued them to avoid having to face the lynch mobs
* [14:05] Bambers Linden: I actually didn't plant anything, but I haven't had a chance to check them all
* [14:05] Morgaine Dinova: Gteam office hours would need several sims dedicated to it :-(
* [14:05] Alexa Linden: 
* [14:05] Bambers Linden: are we sitting comfortably?
* [14:05] Erinyse Planer: theres a few gteam members i feel sorry for... they suffer for the stupidity of the rest
* [14:05] Morgaine Dinova: Lot of idiots in SL. I don't understand the mind of a griefer.
* [14:06] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12035
* [14:06] Ellla McMahon: hello everyone :))
* [14:06] Alexander9 Carver: well couldnt the gteam just build a huge office building?
* [14:06] Alexa Linden: Hey Ellla
* [14:06] Moon Metty: hi Ella :)
* [14:06] Bambers Linden: Modify Permissions are not kept on Object when No Mod items are added.
* [14:06] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12035
* [14:06] Moon Metty: was anyone able to repro this?
* [14:07] Erinyse Planer: me consistantly
* [14:07] Moon Metty: ahh
* [14:07] Erinyse Planer: as well as several people in cola
* [14:07] Bambers Linden: Moon - could you?
* [14:07] Moon Metty: i tried it on my own, but the box itself didn't change permissions
* [14:07] Alexa Linden: we need people that can duplicate it and post their steps
* [14:07] Alexa Linden: I couldn't repro either
* [14:08] Moon Metty: i did Cummere's repro 1
* [14:08] Bambers Linden: Erinyse - could you add your repros to this bug if they're different to the ones already there?
* [14:08] Erinyse Planer: read the last comment
* [14:08] Bambers Linden: (unless you did Moon's too)
* [14:09] Bambers Linden: :)
* [14:09] Alexa Linden: on 1.22.11?
* [14:09] Moon Metty: i used 1.22.11
* [14:09] Alexander9 Carver: bambers are u apart of the gteam?
* [14:09] Bambers Linden: no, I'm not - this is for bug triage
* [14:10] Yann Dufaux: Moon, i can test with you if you need! :)
* [14:10] Moon Metty: sure Yann
* [14:10] Erinyse Planer: alexander if you need gteam file an abuse report. if youre lucky you -might- get a response...
* [14:10] Squirrel Wood: hmm... if the gteam removes a griefer from the db... why aren't the griefers object auto-purged as well?
* [14:10] Moon Metty: oh it's no build here
* [14:10] Morgaine Dinova: I've had to stop using 1.22.11, as the hangs are so disastrous and frequent. Guess I'd better check there's a Jira, and make one if not.
* [14:11] Bambers Linden: yes please Morgaine
* [14:11] Morgaine Dinova: nods
* [14:11] Bambers Linden: ok, order order, etc
* [14:11] Erinyse Planer: if someone gives me build perms here ill bring in cummere right now and demonstrate
* [14:11] Yann Dufaux: well, moon in next beta grid test?:))
* [14:11] Bambers Linden: don't make my bottom lip wobble, please. Let's try to stick to the triage list.
* [14:11] Erinyse Planer: but as i put in the last comment becuase it affects only certain accounts im convinced its server side
* [14:11] Bambers Linden: What are we doing with https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12035?
* [14:12] Alexa Linden: mark with last triaged date and wait for more info?
* [14:12] Squirrel Wood: nmi, yes
* [14:12] Alexa Linden: k
* [14:12] Erinyse Planer: i'd really like it looked into
* [14:12] Morgaine Dinova: Bambers: you've heard of herding cats I assume ^_^
* [14:12] Erinyse Planer: its been sitting there for ages
* [14:12] Erinyse Planer: and not gone away
* [14:12] Squirrel Wood: If you have a consistent repro.. post it. video repro all the better
* [14:12] Erinyse Planer: squirell i psoted three
* [14:12] Bambers Linden: yeah, I think nmi
* [14:12] Alexa Linden: +1 Squirrel
* [14:13] Erinyse Planer: not one but three
* [14:13] Alexa Linden: you said people in CoLA hace this
* [14:13] Alexa Linden: have*
* [14:13] Erinyse Planer: yes some do
* [14:13] Bambers Linden: but Erinyse is right - if it's found to repro in 1.22.11 we should drag it in
* [14:13] Alexa Linden: have them post their experience
* [14:13] Bambers Linden: checks once more for versions)
* [14:13] Erinyse Planer: i dont go there anymore alexa but ill ask around the few i still tlak to
* [14:13] Alexa Linden: so we can possibly see a pattern
* [14:13] Alexa Linden: thanks
* [14:14] Gellan Glenelg: can you post server version too - in case it is SVC?
* [14:14] Erinyse Planer: but i can tell you erin and cummere are affected but my otome alt isnt
* [14:14] Alexa Linden: same region on all?
* [14:14] Erinyse Planer: all regions
* [14:14] Moon Metty: do they share edit rights?
* [14:14] Alexa Linden: a pattern of locations?
* [14:14] Erinyse Planer: yeah pattern is every sim ive tried with build rights
* [14:15] Erinyse Planer: its by account not viewer or server version
* [14:15] Alexa Linden: build is on for those that want to test
* [14:15] Alexa Linden: but in the mean time we can go to the next issue
* [14:16] Bambers Linden: thank you alexa
* [14:16] Alexa Linden: np :)
* [14:16] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [14:16] Erinyse Planer: i still dont have build working for me
* [14:16] Alexa Linden: moon was able to build
* [14:16] Erinyse Planer: tires the back door aproach
* [14:17] Erinyse Planer: ok jsut my build button still greyed
* [14:17] Bambers Linden: next up
* [14:17] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11618
* [14:17] Bambers Linden: SL Viewer hanging with multiple Video Cards
* [14:17] Nicholas Hawthorne: got it to work
* [14:17] Bambers Linden: hates vid card bugs
* [14:18] Erinyse Planer: still repoing for me *Shrugs and gives up*
* [14:19] Nicholas Hawthorne: snickers
* [14:19] Squirrel Wood: can't repro :p
* [14:19] Gellan Glenelg: NMI on this one? ask for crash report?
* [14:19] Squirrel Wood: one videocard, one monitor, no problem
* [14:19] Bambers Linden: +1
* [14:19] Alexa Linden: agreed
* [14:20] Squirrel Wood: driver updates?
* [14:20] Bambers Linden: also driver version?
* [14:20] Alexa Linden: that too
* [14:20] Gellan Glenelg: 2.1.2 doesn't sound up to date
* [14:20] Squirrel Wood: including chipset drivers and such ?
* [14:20] Bambers Linden: d'oh - beat me to it, Squirrel
* [14:20] Gellan Glenelg: ella?
* [14:20] Bambers Linden: nuts
* [14:20] Gellan Glenelg: ella*
* [14:21] Bambers Linden: are we ready for the next one?
* [14:21] Alexa Linden: yup
* [14:21] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11212
* [14:21] Moon Metty: yes
* [14:21] Bambers Linden: Viewer 1.22.4 (RC4) crashes when flycamming around in a new sim
* [14:21] Alexa Linden: 1.22.4
* [14:21] Squirrel Wood: I'd ask if its still happening
* [14:21] Alexa Linden: yup
* [14:21] Squirrel Wood: with current viewer
* [14:21] Bambers Linden: yup - also there's been some flycam work going on recently too
* [14:22] Alexa Linden: read my minde ;)
* [14:22] Alexa Linden: mind* even
* [14:22] Morgaine Dinova: What's the definition of a "new" sim?
* [14:22] Squirrel Wood: empty sim ?
* [14:22] Moon Metty: an uncached sim
* [14:22] Morgaine Dinova: First visit, or just purchased?
* [14:22] Alexa Linden: fresh out of the dryer?
* [14:22] Squirrel Wood: class 6 sim ?
* [14:22] Erinyse Planer: i think they mean any sim you tp into
* [14:23] Roxelana Laval: accepted your inventory offer.
* [14:23] Morgaine Dinova: So first visit?
* [14:23] Gellan Glenelg: I think they mean any region you haven't previous visited / cached textures
* [14:23] Bambers Linden: could be, could be
* [14:24] Bambers Linden: (and of course the problem with "could be" is that we assume
* [14:24] Bambers Linden: )
* [14:24] Erinyse Planer: new regime(sim) that has not been visited or the cache has been cleared out,
* [14:24] Erinyse Planer: taen RIGHT fromt he description
* [14:24] Erinyse Planer: so any uncahced sim
* [14:24] Yann Dufaux: well, have noticed on little sequance of red map, if i stay on region with too many sculpted prims
* [14:24] Morgaine Dinova: Should repro every time you delete your whole cache directory then.
* [14:24] Yann Dufaux: and the sculpted prims textures is to long for loading with my nvidia
* [14:24] Erinyse Planer: doesnt flycam period so cant even try to repo
* [14:25] Gellan Glenelg: still, no comments saying "can repro" since last year, so NMI / still a problem?
* [14:25] Alexa Linden: yup
* [14:25] Moon Metty: yes
* [14:25] Yann Dufaux: i can't reprod this flying cam, because have the space and its not sam controle:)
* [14:25] Yann Dufaux: same*
* [14:26] Erinyse Planer: probably should buy a joystick and start tryign to repo the flycam bugs
* [14:26] Bambers Linden: final decision time for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11212
* [14:26] Squirrel Wood: nmi?
* [14:26] Alexa Linden: nmi
* [14:26] Erinyse Planer: nmi
* [14:26] Bambers Linden: done
* [14:27] Bambers Linden: next up:
* [14:27] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11358
* [14:27] Bambers Linden: Mac version of viewer very slow updating AV appearance
* [14:27] Yann Dufaux: helo Saij, how are you to day?:))
* [14:27] Bambers Linden: still nmi for this one
* [14:28] Alexa Linden: bamber's have you refreshed your agenda?
* [14:28] Bambers Linden: but from the date I think it's before we added a bunch of texture fixes?
* [14:28] Alexa Linden: since you did it
* [14:28] Moon Metty: yes, i don't see this one on the agenda
* [14:28] Bambers Linden: lol
* [14:28] Bambers Linden: well I'm glad you all told me. Thanks.
* [14:28] Bambers Linden: :P
* [14:28] Alexa Linden: :)
* [14:28] Moon Metty: but it sounds like assetserver slowness
* [14:29] Bambers Linden: or Bambers Linden slowness
* [14:29] Alexa Linden: I have https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11401 next
* [14:29] Moon Metty: hahaha
* [14:29] Bambers Linden: (not unheard of)
* [14:29] Bambers Linden: mis-clicking on an item with rapidly changing textures
* [14:29] Yann Dufaux: gave you Snapshot : Linden Village - Bambers Linden, Denby (79, 80, 351).
* [14:29] Erinyse Planer: i hate to say it but i think thats not a viewer or server bug
* [14:30] Erinyse Planer: but a bug in the pc itself
* [14:30] Alexa Linden: Ramzi wasn't able to repro
* [14:30] Erinyse Planer: i can but only on one computer...
* [14:30] Erinyse Planer: and only when that computer is pretty busy
* [14:31] Morgaine Dinova: So this is a picking bug, allegedly? What you appear to pick isn't selected right?
* [14:31] Gellan Glenelg: NMI? since it's RC5
* [14:31] Bambers Linden: does your computer have any similaroty to Wolfpup's?
* [14:31] Alexa Linden: I'd agree Gellan
* [14:31] Moon Metty: yes more information
* [14:31] Bambers Linden: yup yup
* [14:31] Alexa Linden: k
* [14:31] Erinyse Planer: meaning is it an older computer? yes
* [14:31] Bambers Linden: could be picking, but may be fixed
* [14:31] Moon Metty: there haven't been more comments
* [14:31] Yann Dufaux: wb Saijanai :)
* [14:32] Erinyse Planer: with an older pentium processor and a single gig ram
* [14:32] Yann Dufaux: crap, he have difficulty lol
* [14:32] Morgaine Dinova: An aside, in case anyone is interested: picking in SL is generally problematic because there isn't a TARGET field in the viewer, that says what you clicked on. There should be one --- plenty of room in top toolbar.
* [14:32] Squirrel Wood: What I see happen sometimes is floating text of an object a variable distance behind my camera being rendered on screen
* [14:33] Squirrel Wood: could that be related ?
* [14:33] Alexa Linden: on to the next one?
* [14:33] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11491
* [14:33] Erinyse Planer: commented on the last one
* [14:33] Alexa Linden: nmi - latest RC?
* [14:33] Bambers Linden: Editing appearance or changing clothing causes streaming audio to stutter
* [14:33] Gellan Glenelg: +1 alexa
* [14:33] Bambers Linden: yeah
* [14:33] Alexa Linden: weeee
* [14:34] Yann Dufaux: uh?
* [14:34] Bambers Linden: next
* [14:34] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11934
* [14:34] Garn Conover: ok thats cute 'Lexa :)
* [14:34] Gellan Glenelg: Kirstens Viewer 1.16.3 !!!!
* [14:34] Bambers Linden: Chat/IM History Opens Scrolled Up and Not Scrolling
* [14:34] Squirrel Wood: changing clothing triggers texture bake. If they have slow upload it may cause stuttering for streams
* [14:34] Bambers Linden: 1.16.3 (90)?
* [14:35] Alexa Linden: NMI - latest rc?
* [14:35] Alexa Linden: lol
* [14:35] Morgaine Dinova: Tons of fault with IM window scrolling. That's best simply redesigned from scratch.
* [14:35] Gellan Glenelg: NMI - try a LL viewer
* [14:35] Alexa Linden: that too
* [14:35] Bambers Linden: yeah - out of scope
* [14:35] Moon Metty: yes, there are problems with scrolling
* [14:35] Squirrel Wood: there was a time when those windows would not scroll properly. its fixed now though
* [14:35] Moon Metty: i guess i got used to them
* [14:35] Bambers Linden: yeah
* [14:35] Bambers Linden: I have seen on occasion that scrolling stops for some reason
* [14:35] Moon Metty: ok
* [14:35] Moon Metty: :)
* [14:36] Yann Dufaux: loll, i wait for a new pn release :)
* [14:36] Bambers Linden: there may be an edge case but I haven't seen it often
* [14:36] Erinyse Planer: well though like she siad even the ll ones will keep scrolling when youre trying to scroll up and c/p stuff
* [14:36] Bambers Linden: :)
* [14:36] Erinyse Planer: but yeah this is not a ll viewer thus not supported
* [14:36] Yann Dufaux: netx is 1,23? :p
* [14:36] Alexa Linden: ya, I think we have the LL RC scroll issue already
* [14:36] Morgaine Dinova: LOL, nobody can be "used" to the first click on a URL raising the browser, and the first click missing because it causes the window to reset. That's beyond bizarre :P
* [14:36] Bambers Linden: Erinyse: As I recall that should only happen if your focus is on the text entry field
* [14:36] Morgaine Dinova: 2nd click missing
* [14:37] Alexa Linden: next up?
* [14:37] Bambers Linden: 2nd click missing? You mean it's mac only?
* [14:37] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11716
* [14:37] Bambers Linden: Viewer will truncate letters when typing into Chat or fields using AutoHotKey
* [14:37] Alexa Linden: hmmm
* [14:38] Morgaine Dinova: Nah, 2nd click in an up-scrolled window always misses the URL you clicked on in the first click because the change of focus to the browser results in a window reset on the second click. It's just broken, lol
* [14:38] Morgaine Dinova: I should write Jiras, lol
* [14:39] Erinyse Planer: import this one...
* [14:39] Squirrel Wood: import for export :p
* [14:40] Alexa Linden: lol
* [14:40] Erinyse Planer: and yeah waht morgaine is talking about also cuases c/p from the upscrolled windows to be a nightmare as well
* [14:40] Moon Metty: most import comes from abroad
* [14:42] Bambers Linden: where does this leave us?
* [14:42] Alexa Linden: hungry :\
* [14:42] Erinyse Planer: impot the hotkey issue please
* [14:42] Erinyse Planer: *import
* [14:42] Morgaine Dinova: Not sure there's a good Jira about general IM window problems, unfortunately, as it's more design than bug. Most people just seem to accept the bizarre as "Well that's SL". :-)
* [14:43] Gellan Glenelg: import for QA to try to repro? or NMI / still a problem?
* [14:43] Alexa Linden: good point
* [14:43] Alexa Linden: I'd go NMI get updated info
* [14:43] Alexa Linden: no votes
* [14:43] Erinyse Planer: ild go with import. as i jsut repoed it
* [14:43] Erinyse Planer: :P
* [14:44] Bambers Linden: add your repro, Erinyse?
* [14:44] Bambers Linden: (so we have one a little clearer than 1. it seems..)
* [14:45] Alexa Linden: marking nmi
* [14:45] Bambers Linden: ok
* [14:45] Bambers Linden: next up
* [14:45] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12030
* [14:46] Bambers Linden: mac-updater fails
* [14:46] Alexa Linden: 1.22.8
* [14:46] Gellan Glenelg: still a problem?
* [14:46] Erinyse Planer: um i repoed it pretty much how they said. only i plugged in soemthing differatn for 6no then they had :-/
* [14:46] Alexa Linden: yup
* [14:46] Alexa Linden: nmi
* [14:48] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12033
* [14:48] Bambers Linden: Non-Windlight Fog and alpha textures on 1.22
* [14:49] Gellan Glenelg: I suspect the "fog" is made of alpha textures/particles.. so this is the old "z-figting" issue
* [14:49] Moon Metty: yes Gellan
* [14:49] Alexa Linden: fog or clouds?
* [14:50] Alexa Linden: eeehhh fogs
* [14:50] Alexa Linden: I can see the outlines
* [14:50] Moon Metty: both, i guess Alexa
* [14:50] Alexa Linden: I agree with Gellan's comment
* [14:51] Bambers Linden: does that make it a dupe?
* [14:51] Gellan Glenelg: related, at least
* [14:51] Gellan Glenelg: to an "unsolvable" problem
* [14:51] Moon Metty: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-27
* [14:52] Moon Metty: Prim textures overlap strangely when transparent textures applied
* [14:52] Alexa Linden: 27
* [14:52] Alexa Linden: ouch
* [14:52] Morgaine Dinova: lol, 27?
* [14:52] Alexa Linden: that's oooold
* [14:52] Moon Metty: it will grow much older!
* [14:52] Gellan Glenelg: but it's resolved/expected, because it CAN'T be solved
* [14:52] Alexa Linden: jan 2007 was only 27??
* [14:53] Alexa Linden: right
* [14:53] Squirrel Wood: won't fix ? alpha sorting issue ?
* [14:53] Alexa Linden: I'd areee with that
* [14:53] Alexa Linden: agree*
* [14:53] Gellan Glenelg: I think so, squirrel
* [14:53] Squirrel Wood: /
* [14:53] Bambers Linden: hmmm, probably
* [14:53] Squirrel Wood: If you can do the math we'll have it fixed immediately.
* [14:53] Moon Metty: it will be fixed with realtime raytracing
* [14:54] Aimee Trescothick: I can do the maths, but only if you give me a week or two for each frame
* [14:54] Alexa Linden: lol
* [14:54] Gellan Glenelg: lol
* [14:54] Erinyse Planer: hahaha
* [14:54] Moon Metty: :)
* [14:54] Aimee Trescothick: I've done the maths in excel before now :D
* [14:55] Moon Metty: clever
* [14:55] Bambers Linden: next?
* [14:55] Bambers Linden: Or did we not decide quite yet
* [14:56] Bambers Linden: we can skip https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12008 - it's a PN Linux bug. Any objections?
* [14:56] Bambers Linden: 3
* [14:56] Bambers Linden: 2
* [14:56] Moon Metty: no objection
* [14:56] Bambers Linden: 1
* [14:56] Bambers Linden: next
* [14:56] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12190
* [14:56] Morgaine Dinova: What's "PN"?
* [14:56] Squirrel Wood: objection for the sake of it :p
* [14:56] Bambers Linden: Confirmation twice when revoking modify rights on sorted list
* [14:56] Morgaine Dinova: Oh, a distro
* [14:56] Squirrel Wood: ^^
* [14:56] Bambers Linden: Morgaine: Public Nightly
* [14:56] Morgaine Dinova: Ah, kk
* [14:57] Moon Metty: ohh i've seen this, the doublr confirmation
* [14:57] Alexa Linden: Are you really sure????
* [14:57] Bambers Linden: aaah - a Persistent Waiter bug
* [14:57] Erinyse Planer: public nightly viewer but at this point its either fixed or not. and asusming bsi channels been quiet... im assuming fixed >.>
* [14:57] Gellan Glenelg: this repros
* [14:57] Bambers Linden: import this
* [14:57] Erinyse Planer: and yes this repos still
* [14:57] Gellan Glenelg: on 1.22.11
* [14:57] Alexa Linden: ok
* [14:58] Alexa Linden: 3 windows for me
* [14:58] Moon Metty: it was at the same time as this was posted
* [14:58] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11349
* [14:58] Bambers Linden: Ctrl+Alt+F1 not working, then hiding UI from Adv. Menu Crashes viewer
* [14:58] Alexa Linden: I can have your library? was that it?
* [14:58] Moon Metty: but now it is a single window, at least for me
* [14:58] Bambers Linden: best make this the last one, especially if anyone reproing crashes
* [14:59] Alexa Linden: still here
* [14:59] Alexa Linden: and again
* [14:59] Alexa Linden: 8 times and here
* [14:59] Moon Metty: i'm still here :)
* [14:59] Bambers Linden: ditto
* [14:59] Gellan Glenelg: does not repro for me, on 1.22.11
* [14:59] Alexa Linden: can't repro
* [15:00] Moon Metty: i don't know if you can see my hair, but i'm here