Doc Team/2010-08-25

== Transcript ==
[12:59]	:	Ah, SOMEone else is here! :D
[13:00]	:	Hi Nathan :-)
[13:00]	:	Hello Jeremy Linden.
[13:00]	 	has pinged you.
[13:01]	:	I think Oz may be stealing my thunder lately. His office hour is apparently at this time, too. :-)
[13:01]	:	Hello Lego. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.
[13:02]	:	Hi nice to see you.
[13:03]	:	What do they discuss at Oz's OH, and do they post trascripts to the web like this one does?
[13:04]	:	I was at Area in Linden World Which had a Job Area do you know anyone any Linden that tp me over there and Meet me there.
[13:04]	:	Oz is leading our open source initiative... I'm not sure if he posts his transcripts or not.
[13:04]	:	I'm not sure I understand, Lego.
[13:04]	:	Ok hold on,one sec
[13:06]	:	hmmmm..... you can bet they'l be talking about emeraldgate there. heh.
[13:06]	:	Heh. I only have a blog reader's knowledge of that, myself.
[13:06]	:	Anyone have any interesting adventures in the last week?
[13:06]	:	Yeah, I look at some of that stuff and it's like.... "Gee, do yuo got a LIFE?!?!?" :D
[13:07]	:	Nope.
[13:07]	:	Hi CPU. Welcome back.
[13:08]	:	hi
[13:08]	:	Hello CPU. Love that av! :D
[13:08]	:	hi nathan, thanx :)
[13:09]	:	so whats happening?
[13:09]	:	Ok the Linden Lab Recruiting Area can you send a Linden over Becuase i am intersted in joining the Linden lab
[13:09]	:	Ah, I see.
[13:09]	:	I've been reading over the docs on the Display Names thing.
[13:09]	:	Lego, our employment page can be found here: http://lindenlab.com/employment
[13:10]	:	That's the best way to contact us if you want to work at Linden Lab :-)
[13:10]	:	LL only employs people from the US now?
[13:10]	:	I'm don't know the exact policy, CPU, but if that's what the page says, I think it's accurate.
[13:11]	:	i didnt look at the page :)
[13:11]	:	I have a Question can you work for Lindens inworld.
[13:11]	:	Find anything noteworthy on the Display Names page, Aargle?
[13:11]	:	in SL Linden Labs also employ moles
[13:11]	:	Lego, do you mean L$, or can you work for Linden Lab inworld?
[13:12]	:	the ones with the Mole surname are in-world builders and stuff.
[13:12]	:	i Mean can you work for Linden Lab inworld
[13:12]	:	well, Jeremy, I'm not finding some things to settle an argument I had with another friend who also runs a business.
[13:12]	 	has pinged you.
[13:13]	:	i think it might actually be easier to become a Linden than a mole though lol
[13:13]	:	Hm. As Nathan said, I think we have a Department of Public Works who work for us inworld. I think Michael Linden might be in charge of that.
[13:13]	:	from what I can tell, it would be a TOS violation to, for example, use the name "Aargle Zymurgy" as a display name if you're not actually me.
[13:14]	:	(the clause about being an imposter)
[13:14]	:	What if my real name is Aargle Zymurgy and I want to use it?
[13:14]	:	but at the same time, there's nothing on the page indicating that the system itself can prevent literally anyone from doing so.
[13:14]	:	Oh, they added an imposter clause? :D Kewl.
[13:15]	:	Jeremy, that's a bit beside the point. I've spent 3 1/2 years building a reputation for me and my products. now anyone can set a Display Name and claim to be me.
[13:15]	 	has pinged you.
[13:15]	:	What do the Department of Public works do
[13:15]	:	build stuff
[13:15]	:	they're the ones tat go out and design what Linen-owned sims look like, for instance. WHere the buildings and roads go, what they'll look like, etc etc
[13:15]	:	I think its fair enough.. anyone who takes your name is clearly trying to impersonate you
[13:16]	:	but when the name is mroe common like say.. Legolas
[13:16]	:	Aargle, I don't think it's that simple each person's account name will be prominently displayed on their profile. It won't be easy to fool someone who's got enough inworld experience to know your reputation. At least, so I would hope!
[13:16]	:	your just a copy of a character and many will want it
[13:16]	:	So Jeremy what do they do?
[13:16]	 	has pinged you.
[13:17]	:	Lego, the DPW builds public spaces, roads, and other Linden-controlled content in Second Life.
[13:17]	:	but I can guarantee that it WILL be done. and then ... well, I hate to imagine the number of ARs that the g-team will have to deal with
[13:17]	:	the moles then BUILD the new sim, and its contents, according to that plan.
[13:17]	:	I see.
[13:17]	:	Ah, more stragglers. ã‹¡
[13:17]	:	yeah they will get thousands of ARs for names.. i dont think they realise it yet :)
[13:18]	:	Hello Techwolf, good to see you again
[13:18]	:	/me smiels
[13:18]	:	and I already feel badly when I file ARs. I know how much work gets dumped on them.
[13:18]	:	someone make their name Adolf Hitler... thats about 500 ARs right there
[13:18]	:	I haven't been briefed on the specifics of Display Names for Q&A, so I can't make any concrete statements about how we're planning to deal with impersonators. Sorry :-/
[13:18]	:	This Display Name thing?
[13:18]	:	yeah we are discussing display names :)
[13:19]	:	any reason the display names can't be handled the way IRC has handled it for decades?
[13:19]	:	and that is?
[13:19]	:	you can register them... then if someone else tries to use it, they are politely rejected.
[13:19]	:	This display name things was RUSHED out the door before taking into fact some policy changes needed to be made and created.
[13:19]	:	...and the implications of impersonating another person who has established a reputation based on their name.
[13:19]	:	yup
[13:20]	:	Jeremy, I'm glad you said that. Thanks.
[13:20]	 	has pinged you.
[13:20]	:	or, even simpler, no replicated display names. You can call yourself whatever you want.... just not if someone's done it already
[13:20]	:	so what kind of content do they do and do you do any non building Stuff and are there any other inworld groups run by the Linden lab.
[13:20]	:	trouble is, even if there's a mechanism for preventing someone from using a display name someone else is alerady using..... what's to stop someone from using one that's slightly off from? say, substituting a 1 or a ! for an i?
[13:20]	:	Nathan, not much, really, but copy&paste will always know the difference.
[13:21]	:	Lego, check this out: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/DPW
[13:21]	:	maybe they should notify users if someone creates a display name similar to their username
[13:22]	:	of course, some of us just won't know if è˜‘è‡çš„å¤§è…¦ is an un-acceptable name
[13:22]	:	:-)
[13:23]	:	i think estates should not let in anyone who has a name similar tot he estate owners
[13:23]	:	Is Torley colour blind or something? That hat!
[13:23]	:	hmmmm.... that notify idea sounds neat.
[13:23]	:	One of the proposed benefits of Display Names is the ability for people to choose, for example, their real name. I know my real name was taken in 2005, and there are doubtless more people in the world who have the same name. Display Names would allow me to be myself, when appropriate.
[13:24]	:	i have not looked if my real name is taken
[13:24]	:	yes its taken
[13:24]	:	I dont think thats the right group are there any security Groups that are run by Linden lab that are inworld groups
[13:25]	:	CPU: Dunno.,. someone might innocently and unkowingly happen to pick a display name that accidently near-matches an estae-owners name.... and then be surprised when he can't get in.
[13:25]	:	well, I had to use some odd punctuation for my e-mail for my local cable company. My real name had been taken in several forms. you just adapt.
[13:25]	:	Sorry, Linden Lab does not work with Resident-run security groups.
[13:26]	:	second life is a lawless place.. there is no security here
[13:26]	:	My original account had a surname that was retired ages ago.... when I created this alt, as his fictionalied, adopted son.... I would have loved to have chosen the same surname.
[13:26]	:	I dont think thats the right group i mean i not really the best builder so i will not join the group
[13:26]	:	Now this is my primary account, and the other became the alt. heh
[13:27]	:	I know how that feels, Nathan. I think my Resident account went through a similar transition.
[13:27]	:	Do they have Linden Lab run groups.
[13:28]	:	Now, at least, I could give both of them a new, common last name. heh
[13:28]	:	that are secuirty Groups.
[13:28]	:	but, I'm also on two or three OpenSim grids under this name and the other one.... so... it might cause confusion.
[13:28]	:	well nuts... I have to go deal with new crises
[13:29]	:	Sorry Lego, but no. Our support staff handle all reported problems inworld.
[13:29]	:	Thanks for coming, Aargle.
[13:29]	:	Is there a group for that.
[13:29]	:	thanks, Jeremy.... and I hope someone's listening carefully to us business people about the Display Names thing. a lot of us are simply scared of this turn of events.
[13:29]	 	has pinged you.
[13:29]	:	bye now.
[13:30]	:	Lego, the Linden Lab support staff works for Linden Lab. You can find open positions online here: http://lindenlab.com/employment
[13:31]	:	It looks like we do not have any positions available right now.
[13:31]	:	No surprise there... ã‹¡
[13:31]	:	umm well do they offered jobs that worked for the support staff.
[13:32]	:	The page says, "At this time, we are not hiring for any openings."
[13:33]	:	theyve been firing people like crazy
[13:33]	:	ok
[13:34]	:	what is your scrum team called?
[13:35]	:	I'm kind of strange in that I'm the only technical writer currently on staff. I hop around between teams that are working on features that need instructions.
[13:36]	:	so you dont have one?
[13:36]	:	I think I technically do. It doesn't function using the Scrum methodology, though.
[13:37]	:	Searching..
[13:37]	:	you work with Jon Linden and Torley?
[13:37]	:	can i make a group that can also run by Lindens
[13:37]	:	Ah, here we go. I'm on Platfor/Support
[13:37]	:	er, Platform/Support
[13:38]	:	CPU, I work with Jon, but Torley has moved to another team.
[13:38]	:	I miss Torley being here.
[13:38]	:	At these meetings, I mean
[13:38]	:	Me too!
[13:39]	:	Torleys become quite a crowd puller lol
[13:39]	:	my question is can you make a group but than you can get Lindens to run it as well.
[13:39]	:	Well he might just be the most popular Linden
[13:39]	:	I love the goofy phrases and stuff he puts out over Twitter. heh
[13:39]	:	or famous
[13:39]	:	Maybe, CPU!
[13:40]	:	not sure whos name is most known between him and philip
[13:40]	:	/me looks up the scrum methodology. "So we're the chickens, are we?"
[13:40]	:	bok bok bok
[13:40]	:	Better than being the bacon at breakfast :-)
[13:40]	:	Brings whole new meaning to the phrase "Nothing here but us chickens!" :D
[13:41]	:	my question is can you make a group but than you can get Lindens to run it as well.
[13:41]	:	er... *Nobody
[13:41]	:	True, but that might be missing the point.
[13:42]	:	Lego, Lindens do not generally run Resident groups.
[13:42]	:	But can they? if offered.
[13:42]	:	Heh. I'm not sure how much of the "Chicken and Pig" thing is explained in our documentation. The idea is that the chickens contribute (eggs), but the pig is committed (no turning back, he's bacon!)
[13:43]	:	I have a feeling the bar would need to be set fairly high for them to. heh
[13:43]	:	Hi Daniel!
[13:44]	:	Hiya.
[13:44]	:	Did Linden Labs take over Xstreets Group in SL when they took over Xstreet?
[13:44]	:	that may be one example
[13:44]	:	I'm not sure, CPU.
[13:44]	:	But can they? if offered.
[13:45]	:	I'm also following the blog-thingy on JIRA, which maybe at the heart oif the communications problems. JIRA currently seems pretty user hostile.
[13:45]	:	Lindens wouldnt take over a group unless there was a great/unique need to
[13:45]	:	I don't know for sure, Lego, but I do not think it is likely.
[13:45]	:	rarely would a Linden ever need to
[13:45]	:	or be needed to
[13:46]	:	Raining cats and dogs here. If I suddenly go POOF! you'll know why.
[13:46]	:	Hm. Is anyone else getting horrible chat lag, or is it just me?
[13:46]	:	testing 1 2 3
[13:46]	:	for any group that is also a business it is likely there is competitors so Lindens couldnt show they support one group like that
[13:46]	:	One of my suggests is the Linden Lab should make a security Team it would Help Second Life be better.
[13:46]	:	Nope, seems to be fine for me. Knock wood
[13:46]	:	Yikes, Nathan. Don't step in a poodle.
[13:47]	:	ã‹¡
[13:47]	:	There has been security teams that claimed to have LLs support.. not sure how much truth there is to them
[13:47]	:	I'd be more concerned about stepping in something..... left by the poodle. (giggles)
[13:47]	:	This Scrum concept seems to depend on finding out what people want. #Iinclude Display_Names (Rant)
[13:47]	:	One of my suggests is the Linden Lab should make a security Team it would Help Second Life be better.
[13:48]	:	As far as I know we pointedly do not support "security" groups. Too often, they wind up griefing the griefers, which solves nothing.
[13:48]	:	Ah, self-appointed "security teams." I kn ow someone who reaches for the banstick on sight of those types.
[13:49]	:	Well if we get Run by Lindens and people that have Clean records i Think it would work
[13:49]	:	I like the League of Justice.. i think they are funny
[13:49]	:	they become part of the attraction for griefers though
[13:49]	:	"Power corrupts, and atomic power corrupts atomically." Oh, wait, wrong quote. :D
[13:49]	:	If the Lindens back a security outfit, isn't there a problem with liability?
[13:50]	:	That's probably another reason why we wouldn't, Carol. I'm afraid the idea isn't really up for discussion here.
[13:50]	:	Some ppl think of the League of Justice guys as greifers themselves. oO
[13:50]	:	Fighting with the League of Justice is irresistable to a griefer.
[13:51]	:	So, greifers fighting griefers. Fun and games! :D Not! OO
[13:51]	:	/me grins at Jeremy and notes the lack of discussion.
[13:51]	 	has pinged you.
[13:51]	:	As long as we don't get masked, spandex-wearing super griefers, I'm happy. No matter how good of a screenshot it would make.
[13:52]	:	Screengrabs or not, those guys show up on a sim I'm on.... I'm heading for the tall grass before the stuff hits the fan.
[13:52]	:	/me might opass for Emma Peel, in the right light.
[13:53]	:	As an innocent bystander, I don't wanna get caught int he crossfire
[13:53]	:	Heh. Carol, what I mean to say is, we can talk about it all we want, but we won't suddenly start backing a security outfit based on what we talk about today.
[13:53]	:	/me nods nods nods
[13:54]	:	on youtube you can see griefers posted videos of what they do. They especially like psoting videos of targetting big events and security groups
[13:54]	:	Well i think it would worked Becuase it would br run By Lindens than it would worked
[13:54]	:	especially when they have caught the security group/event thats discussing "Serious Business".
[13:55]	:	I think I was in one of the SLCC sessions.
[13:55]	:	Er, one of the ones that got griefed, I mean.
[13:55]	:	i was at 2 of them
[13:55]	:	that was griefed
[13:55]	:	they griefed the real world too??
[13:56]	:	probably griefed the in-world part of it
[13:56]	:	It was mixed-reality. The inworld part got griefed. Noise and camera-hogging, mostly.
[13:56]	:	The only griefer attack I ever saw was at NCI Kuula. They don't need outside security.
[13:56]	:	yeah the noise was deafening so couldnt hear the speakers
[13:56]	:	/me gives a lopsided smile.
[13:57]	:	Okay, NOT I'm getting a spike of chatlag
[13:57]	:	*NOW
[13:57]	:	and then we could put a office on one of Linden world areas than it would stilll be run by Lindens becuase in Real Life They have secuirity So we should have it and Only Lindens would be running the group.
[13:57]	:	Hi emerson4512. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.
[13:58]	:	and that smile was bout the "camera hogging" comment. heh
[13:58]	:	General Q: are you guys seeing me as clouded?
[13:58]	:	Yup. Welcome. Just in time for the end. :D
[13:58]	:	there was a few things that never happen like democracys forming in SL
[13:58]	:	I see a tiger furry
[13:58]	:	and then we could put a office on one of Linden world areas than it would stilll be run by Lindens becuase in Real Life They have secuirity So we should have it and Only Lindens would be running the group.
[13:58]	:	Nope, Carol. You appear to be a tiger.
[13:58]	:	trabalho
[13:58]	:	CPU, are you familiar with the Neualtenburg experiment?
[13:59]	:	sim
[13:59]	:	I also thought Linden Labs was at some point going t have sims able to form communitys that help prevent griefing on neighbours parcels
[13:59]	:	no im not
[13:59]	:	You have been online for 1 hours.
[14:00]	:	Here we go, in the history wiki: http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/Neualtenburg
[14:00]	:	So i say lets to it
[14:00]	:	all this pretty much needs LLs support
[14:00]	:	esta bem
[14:01]	:	Sorry emerson, I only understand English.
[14:01]	:	nao
[14:01]	:	Thanks, Nathan, that's not what my inventory says I am.
[14:01]	:	/me checks on his Universal Translator and finds that the batteries have died. Again.
[14:01]	:	Carol: What does your inv say you are?
[14:01]	 	has pinged you.
[14:01]	:	So Jeremy how about that idea do you like it
[14:01]	:	/me tries reloading. "I really don't like Viewer 2."
[14:02]	:	Lego, I'm sorry, but I cannot support your idea.
[14:03]	:	sim
[14:03]	:	Ah, it's past 2:00! I'm cutting here for the transcript.
 
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