Open Source Meeting/2010-06-22

== Transcript ==
[14:05]	:	as far as my status, it's mostly 2.0 bug reducing (as reducing a sauce...)
[14:05]	:	we're down to 34 right now from 52 last week
[14:05]	:	so we'll be left with concentrated essence of bug?
[14:05]	 	chuckles
[14:06]	:	lol thick
[14:06]	:	yeap: the one that reduce to tar and full of nasty stuff :D
[14:06]	:	I did sometimes assigned bugs for further info to some of you
[14:07]	:	I know it's a bit heavy handed so I hope you won't hate me for it
[14:07]	:	I do need help especially on Linux testing
[14:07]	:	only thing is though that any patch i make i will not be able to commit
[14:07]	:	that's how it's normally done, assign to a person to get feedback :)
[14:07]	:	when people report things that I can't repro on Windows or Mac
[14:08]	:	WolfPup: true, you're not a committer yet but any committer can do the job
[14:09]	 	coffee!!
[14:09]	:	hey robin
[14:09]	:	k, again, I'm driving as fast as I can down that 2.0 finish lane
[14:10]	:	help with tests, patches appreciated
[14:10]	:	I can try and help with tests some till this weekend
[14:11]	:	when that's done, we'll a little to "bake" the release, organizing a "test spring" and declare the version official
[14:11]	:	then it's viewer-external merge (2.1) and onward on more interesting stuff
[14:11]	:	Pffew...
[14:11]	:	first you need to pray to merge gods ;)
[14:12]	:	I have a collection of candles, gri-gris, etc... :)
[14:12]	:	i know this dance that can help make them more mellow :D
[14:12]	:	ok :)
[14:13]	:	latif lap dances only work for a few minutes then they want more
[14:13]	:	OZ, news fro SL7B events?
[14:13]	:	Have you guys been there?
[14:13]	 	did spent some time there yesterday
[14:13]	:	yestereday
[14:13]	:	I was there for a quite a lot of time today
[14:13]	:	i have seen the snowglobe booth, very nice
[14:13]	:	from morning my time
[14:13]	:	sl7b? I have. i didnt spend allot of time in the sg booth but it was nice
[14:14]	:	I had a long chat in French with a German res :)
[14:14]	:	I've had a hectic day - was there much traffic, Robin?
[14:14]	:	(i was trying to find it, why the people who made sl7b didn't enable search for the parcels there is beyond me :)
[14:14]	:	i've got search enabled on SG parcel, or so i thought, i did that before they locked the land controls
[14:14]	:	There's a teleport directly to it up on the plaza on top of the hill here
[14:15]	:	Robin, I could not find it
[14:15]	:	meh
[14:15]	:	(search is not working right at SL7B)
[14:15]	:	one thing is the LM i used to try and get there when i went this morning was actualy in the wrong spot
[14:15]	:	its in my picks if anyone us looking
[14:15]	:	i had lag walk into never never land several times while i was there
[14:15]	:	*is
[14:15]	:	http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/SL7B%20Upsidedown/14/61/22
[14:15]	:	i tried "Snowglobe viewer" in the old 1.23 serach places (which works)
[14:15]	:	i have the same thing happen on the tram tour
[14:15]	:	i mean it insta-works unlike the viewr2 google thingie
[14:15]	:	did folks went to Philip's talk?
[14:16]	:	but it was not there
[14:16]	 	didn't
[14:16]	:	is it jsut me or does sl7b as a whole seem less crowded then sl6b was?
[14:16]	:	Merov,I've listened to the recording, the sim was full
[14:16]	 	skipped philops talk. didn't want banned again...
[14:16]	:	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/SL7B/Philip-speech
[14:16]	:	i think it might seem less crowed as it is on more sims i thing
[14:16]	:	think*
[14:17]	 	coffee!!
[14:18]	:	viewer problems robin?
[14:18]	:	robin, what is crashing you so much lol
[14:18]	:	must be sg2 ;)
[14:18]	:	im on sg2 custom built
[14:18]	:	oh i'm in the middle of important changes and i need to keep debugging as i go
[14:18]	:	I'm using SG2 right now and not crashing :p
[14:18]	:	in fact im doing a test right now
[14:19]	:	me 2: spending more than few minutes at a time with the trunk build
[14:19]	:	im using one of the sg2.0 builds. not sure which one.
[14:19]	:	i think i just found a bug in the snap shot code
[14:20]	:	I've oneJIRA I'm working on: SNOW-646
[14:20]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-646
[14:20]	:	I'm wrking on your patch Nicky
[14:20]	:	snapshot code is a bug, some people claim </channeling_tillie>
[14:20]	:	:-))
[14:20]	:	making it more general so that we don't cut/paste scripts like that for every version of VS/VC
[14:21]	:	good
[14:21]	:	I'll need your help to test my changes though :)
[14:21]	:	Did you read my last comment
[14:21]	:	there is a two stage proble to that issue
[14:21]	:	making sure they work on VC90
[14:21]	:	yes i will
[14:21]	:	just let me know
[14:22]	:	Nicky: nope, I was trying to work through the "easy" ones in the list
[14:22]	:	i did the cmake
[14:22]	:	and easy one
[14:22]	 	checks
[14:22]	:	in vc90 the plugin in question has a runtime issue befor it fails to load in tthe viewer
[14:23]	:	it is trying to use two different c++ libs
[14:23]	:	that I think we can kick down a ways and just solve the building
[14:23]	:	at least the last time i tried to build it
[14:23]	:	thanks for the new data Nicky
[14:23]	:	very useful
[14:23]	:	Sorry got to relog *again*
[14:23]	:	yw
[14:24]	:	i have snapshots of the errors i got for that issue
[14:25]	 	coffee!!
[14:26]	:	Robin, before to disappear again, how are things with SOCKS5 port? :)
[14:27]	:	Robin is working on SNOW-713 FIRST
[14:27]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-713
[14:27]	:	heh
[14:28]	:	Aleric; I am ready to build with 713 as soon as we leave here
[14:29]	:	unless that is too many spoons in the soup
[14:29]	:	looks like ill have to do an svn update then rebuild
[14:29]	:	after the meeting
[14:29]	:	I had a question on SNOW-678
[14:29]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-678
[14:30]	:	Nicky: it won't work.. we need Robin to attach a new patch first before it makes sense to retry a compile for you :/
[14:30]	:	I *have* a question: this feature is in 2.0 but sems to be doing nothing
[14:30]	:	ok
[14:30]	:	Merov, i'm still backed up, i'm desperatly trying to finish off these other projects i "must" finish first before i get massivly in to an open source feature/fix
[14:30]	:	k, understood Robin
[14:31]	:	about 678: anyone making use of that feature?
[14:31]	 	doesn't know anyone who does
[14:31]	:	it seems to be dead to me in SG2.0, in ways that the original patch in 1.x moot
[14:32]	:	that issue isn't very illuminating...
[14:32]	:	I'm wondering if it's worth any effort
[14:32]	:	skip it and see who complains ?
[14:32]	:	what exactly is that feature suppsoed to do in 2.0?
[14:33]	:	well: it's like broken windows: some menu option is there that does nothing at all....
[14:33]	:	looks absurd...
[14:33]	:	I was under the vague impression it was needed for Mm Adler's XUI-in-scripts project.
[14:33]	:	(the "magical scripted hud")
[14:34]	:	Thickbrick: yes though the original intent was to make XUI hacking easier (I think)
[14:34]	:	clearly, not even Mm Alder cares now
[14:34]	:	well then the correct fix would be to remove the menu option to stop confusing people :)
[14:35]	 	shrugs. "if thats the case, cut it out for now and add it back on if people complain?"
[14:35]	:	Latif: that's exactly what I think
[14:35]	:	can some one IM me a moment please?
[14:35]	:	y
[14:35]	 	sent robin an IM
[14:36]	:	<silence>
[14:36]	:	Thickbrick: any action on SNOW-667
[14:36]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-667
[14:36]	:	?
[14:37]	:	I solved a problem in SNOW-704
[14:37]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-704
[14:38]	:	nothing yet on -667... I haven't had the chance to figure it out yet.
[14:38]	:	sorry
[14:38]	:	Did Nyx say anything about that one?
[14:38]	:	not much
[14:38]	:	I assigned it to him, cause I thought it would have to do with his new code.
[14:38]	:	higher prioroties i think
[14:39]	:	but he is is silent - then I wonder if he got noticed about the assignment?
[14:39]	:	yes
[14:39]	:	i went to office hours last week
[14:39]	:	Hmm, I'd take crashes in MY code very very serious :p
[14:39]	:	I'm sure he does
[14:39]	:	I'd venture he didn't notice the report
[14:40]	:	ping him, best bet
[14:40]	:	ok
[14:40]	:	Nicky: you might want to visit one of his office hours then and ask him
[14:40]	:	ok
[14:40]	:	i think i'm almost ready to wrap this up and fire by code ball over the wall ;-)
[14:40]	:	ill but on his agenda
[14:41]	:	he's also on #opensl
[14:41]	:	Robin o/
[14:41]	:	kk
[14:42]	:	seems like everyone is distracted by other things they want to finish today
[14:42]	:	bug i just found has to do with slient highres to disc
[14:42]	:	lol not me. just having viewer issues
[14:42]	:	Me neither.. in fact, I cannot do anything anymore.
[14:42]	:	Nyx is in crunch mode at the moment
[14:43]	:	Merov, I've been adding SNOW-77 bits to SimianGrid opensim grid backup
[14:43]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-77
[14:43]	:	the one that uses login param
[14:43]	:	cool!
[14:43]	:	looking forward to when the login param is supported by sg 1.x and 2.x
[14:43]	:	oz can you send one more time? Ive found a bug in 2.0 group invites
[14:43]	:	I'm playing ut2004 all day, till someone fixes the windows problem :( ... I seriously considered buying a new PC with windows and I wasted many hours trying to install windows in a virtual machine.. but it's hopeless. I cannot do this myself :(
[14:44]	:	I suppose that's my cue to add the viewer part of SNOW-77 to Snowglobe :)
[14:44]	:	and to remember to add the login param bit of it to sg 1.x patch too :)
[14:44]	:	I need/want SNOW-713 + SNOW-596 + SNOW-593 committed before I continue working on what will depend on that.
[14:44]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-593
[14:44]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-596
[14:44]	:	is there a jira for the fact that in 2.0 if chat invite fails cause of full groups it wont actually let you join once you clear a spot?
[14:45]	:	need to search Cummere
[14:45]	:	i am and not seeing anything
[14:45]	:	is SNOW-77 waiting on Geyeda's contrib agreement?
[14:46]	:	Thickbrick: yes for the whole thing, no for the "SLE" part from Roxie
[14:46]	:	I have to leave a bit early today all... see you tomorrow
[14:46]	:	tc oz
[14:46]	:	tc oz and thank you for the invite
[14:47]	:	see you oz... he's fast lol
[14:47]	:	well he dose have a train to chatch
[14:47]	:	Aleric: on 713 596, 593, I haven't tried to build on Mac again
[14:47]	:	BTW, yay! I finally managed to build Tofu's patch for SNOW-548 on 1.4... I can now see the agenda, just in time too...
[14:47]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-548
[14:47]	:	since my last comment
[14:47]	 	...
[14:48]	:	please folks, feel free to commit to 1.4 and ask me to press the build button
[14:48]	:	I haven't built binaries as I've seen no significant commit in there in a while
[14:48]	:	there are few commits since the last build in 1.4 now
[14:49]	:	well, yes, nothing significant.
[14:49]	:	Merov: It has to be fixed by a windows guru - the best developer with windows experience that we have, or even the only one with a chance?, is Robin... But I understand he's very busy... Still I'd like to know how long I'll have to wait, because I can't do much now.
[14:50]	:	k
[14:50]	:	I need to focus on finishing SG2.0 and move to SG2.1 now though
[14:51]	:	so all 1.4 work I can manage is ponctual
[14:51]	:	Aleric is there a way to divide 713 in smaller parts. 90+ files touched from one patch can have a lot of error potential
[14:52]	:	can anyone here repo http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-723 for me?
[14:52]	:	[#SNOW-723] Group invite fails to let you join groups when groups maxed even when you leave group
[14:53]	:	ok i've got to run as well for the moment, hopefully i can give Aleric a hand soon, i don't think we are that far off it working
[14:53]	:	[23:51] <Aleric> the main question was if you are aware that I assigned http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-704 to you
[14:53]	:	[#SNOW-704] SG 2.0.1 r3407 Crashes while downloading clothing on my account.
[14:54]	:	NickyP: no, it cannot be made smaller - and I disagree that the number of changed fails is a measure for how error prone it is.
[14:54]	:	files*
[14:55]	:	It is more the number of 'fuzzy' changes that make it error prone, where fuzzy means an orthogonal (unrelated) change in the patch that one is not entirely sure of.
[14:56]	:	ok agreed
[14:56]	:	In this case I'm not sure of much, because it's windows :( ... I just looked at 2.0 and gambled. But MOST files are changed because it needed an LL_COMMON_API addition and that part is not error prone.
[14:56]	:	yeap, mechanical change almost
[14:57]	:	BTW, that builds nicely on linux non-standalone, with the 2-line patch I attached there, but the resulting .so file doesn't get copied to packaged/lib/
[14:57]	:	I guess that needs to be handles from viewer_manifest.py
[14:58]	:	I'd think that if it compiles and links - then it's ok. I did see some things though that makes me wonder if 2.0 is even ok. For example imho is llmessage linked twice too... the whole approach taken stinks. A LOT of code is loaded double in memory by SLPlugin alone imho, not to mention AGAIN for every new SLPlugin process.
[14:59]	:	What we'd need is two shared libraries: one with all code that is common the viewer and to SLPlugin, and then one that is common to most of the plugins themselves.
[14:59]	:	common to*
[14:59]	:	What we HAVE one shared library that is common the to viewer and some invisible server.. :/
[14:59]	:	that code first have to be factored out... I think Robin was workign on it
[14:59]	:	(that code = the common code between the plugins)
[15:00]	:	agood meeting today with technical interchange
[15:01]	:	nicky: nyx is on irc now
[15:01]	 	thought it was a tad quiet actually today
[15:01]	:	[23:59] <nyx> would be interested to see what the value of data.mWearableType was
[15:01]	:	merov, you need me to stay behind and tty and test anything for you?
[15:02]	:	yu can look at: https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&mode=hide&sorter /order=DESC&sorter/field=priority&resolution=-1&pid=10100&fixfor=10571
[15:02]	:	and test bugs that have no patch and are not build related
[15:02]	:	for instance SNOW-516
[15:02]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-516
[15:02]	:	okay I'll check a few of these out then :)
[15:03]	:	notecard you my findings?
[15:03]	:	there's little data in there except "it freezes"
[15:03]	:	I hope you have a good crystal ball :)
[15:03]	:	better to comment *in* JIRA
[15:03]	:	that one looks like it's early in the 2.0 cycle
[15:04]	:	i found the orginal issue concerning high-res snapshots
[15:04]	:	so that the author sees the comments too
[15:04]	:	*nods* if i cant repo i assume you want me to tag em such so we can move on ?
[15:04]	:	VWR-13630 is where it was croping but now it is going the other way
[15:04]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13630
[15:04]	:	merov: does 2.0 have my sound fixes?
[15:04]	:	Cummere: yup,
[15:04]	:	"Second Life 2.0.0 (202174) Feb 20 2010 11:56:43 (Second Life Beta" <--- old
[15:05]	:	good deal. i'll try and knock a few of these out then
[15:05]	:	Aleric: which ones? I did port some of your patches including sound fixes
[15:06]	:	asking because SNOW-516 uses openAL and speaks of bad performance on linux
[15:06]	:	hmmm
[15:06]	 	checks the recent log
[15:07]	:	VWR-14914 originally
[15:07]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14914
[15:08]	:	mervo when i make the 2.0 patch for snow-412 it is going to use the same time formatting that you sugested to me in snow-622
[15:08]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-412
[15:08]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-622
[15:09]	:	I think my main concern about those 2 patches is how the UI is handled
[15:09]	:	one of the good things about 2.0 is that it finally cleaned up the messy menues
[15:09]	:	Aleric: yes, in 2.0, svn r3365
[15:10]	:	was committed on May 19
[15:10]	:	and both of those need a setting. I guess adding to the expanded view of the snapshot floater is not a big problem, as it's "advanced"
[15:11]	:	i wish i could merg the menus to be more like windows menus and incorperate the navigation bar back into the top bar
[15:11]	:	I think having the date of a saved jpeg file set in the EXIF metadata would be better.
[15:12]	:	All file browsers can sort by exif tags now
[15:12]	:	so may be Aleric, that SNOW-516 freeze is no issue anymore thanks to your patch (that I ported to SG2.0)
[15:12]	:	it's 2 bugs: slowness and freezing
[15:12]	:	snow 590 seems resoved for me
[15:13]	:	SNOW-590 ?
[15:13]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-590
[15:13]	:	that sounds like SVC issues...
[15:14]	:	was a channel issue but i think its been fixed on the subsequent versions
[15:14]	:	oh
[15:14]	:	I can repro this :(
[15:14]	:	hmm
[15:14]	:	right now, I get no help in my dev version
[15:15]	:	that's still a SVC/WEB issue - it should redirect to some default version if it doesn't recognize the channel
[15:15]	:	hmm im running a 2.0.1 build. and im getting the help just fine.
[15:15]	:	thick if its a svc issue do you have the ability to change it?
[15:16]	:	I dont
[15:16]	:	me neither
[15:16]	 	looks at Merov...
[15:16]	:	ah... that's because you're running binaries created by the build system, they're using a channel that gets recognized at SVC
[15:16]	:	dev builds don't
[15:17]	:	I need to ping Rand on that
[15:17]	:	hmm send me a link to a dev build?
[15:18]	:	k, it's 3:17, I made a bet with myself I'll get under 30 bugs today
[15:18]	:	did you win?
[15:18]	:	hehe
[15:18]	:	no, but the day is not over yet
[15:18]	:	oaky ill leave 590 alone for the time being yet, and move on :)
[15:18]	:	so I'm going to try to make good on that :)
[15:19]	:	c u guys!
[15:19]	:	cu
[15:19]	:	see you merov, have fun :)
 
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