nyuuzyou/wikis huggingface dataset:
Minutes/2024-08-16

Present: TM, RL, MM
* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** No response yet from moderator re status of gateway. MM to review the Board's past correspondence with the moderator and to discuss some options with the moderator, including drawing their attention to the NNTP gateway functionality of Mailman 3.
** 
*** The volunteer has responded confirming their interest and requesting further information. RL has provided this and is awaiting a response.
** 
*** RL has pinged the volunteer one further time but has received no response.
*** RL noticed that the group previously had a gateway to a mailing list.
*** MM offered to initiate an MVI, so will prepare a post for review by RL and TM.
** and 
*** Kathy reported that she doesn't recall the exact licensing terms for the FAQs but believes they are in the public domain. RL to add a notice to this effect to the relevant pages imported into our wiki.
*** RL knows which FAQs need to be periodically posted. TM said we wouldn't want to post these with MediaWiki markup, so we would either have to convert these, or just post links to the Web versions.* RL to convert the periodic postings and set up the infrastructure to actually post them. Once this is done, we will activate it and post an announcement that we've taken over moderatorship.
* Infrastructure
** RL has set up Marco's accounts, and Jonathan Kamens has set him up on the STUMP instance.
** TM to send Marco the Twitter credentials.
* Software/funding
** RL approved GP's request to join the (Web)STUMP projects on Savannah
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred pending correspondence with Julien re INN.
** Response from Julien re INN suggesting that we build a GUI for INN configuration. TM to respond.
** TM indicated that there may not be enough time left to prepare a proposal for NGI, since his institute imposes an earlier deadline to review the proposal internally. RL to review the NGI application form with a view to determining whether it would be possible for him to make any headway on it before TM is available, but if not, TM will get to it once he is available, or failing this will retarget the application to OTF IFF, which accepts applications on a rolling basis.
* Misc
** TUGboat article: RL has expanded the draft to 800 words and will send it to TM and MM. TM will prepare a LaTeX version on Overleaf for further collaboration.
** The Board received another e-mail of thanks from Bill Horne. RL to respond.
** The Board received an e-mail from Paul Schleck congratulating MM's appointment to the Board and suggesting some further advocacy work for the Board. Agreed that we would read the suggestions and linked material with a view to discussing them at a future meeting.
** Agreed to cancel the next meeting due to unavailability of TM and possible unavailability of MM.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-08-30

Present: TM, RL, MM
* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** MM reviewed the Board's past correspondence with the moderator and contacted him to discuss some options and to draw his attention to the NNTP gateway functionality of Mailman 3. No response yet.
** 
*** No response yet from the volunteer moderator.
** 
*** MM still to prepare an MVI post for review by RL and TM.
** and 
*** RL circulated drafts of the periodic postings. MM replied with his comments. TM is still in the process of reviewing the drafts and will send some suggested revisions.
* Infrastructure
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** RL has not yet had a chance to examine the NGI application forms but will do so, time permitting.
** TM identified another possibly relevant funding program: Sovereign Tech Fund. Agreed that we would all read up on this.
* Misc
** TUGboat article: TM converted RL's draft to LaTeX, using the TUGboat style, and posted this to Overleaf for further revision.
** Paul Schleck proposals: Nobody yet had time to consider these. TM to send Paul an interim reply indicating that they're under consideration.
** DigiCAM25 submission: We are still expecting a notification on our panel proposal by the end of August.
** Response from Bill Horne to RL's message wishing him a good recovery.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-09-06

Present: TM, RL, MM
* Administration
** 
*** No response yet from the volunteer moderator.
** 
*** No response yet from the moderator.
** 
*** No response yet from the volunteer moderator.
** 
*** MM has prepared an MVI post for review by RL and TM. RL has offered some comments; TM to do so by next week's meeting.
** and 
*** TM and MM have sent FAQ revisions to RL. RL to apply the changes and circulate a final version before posting.
** 
*** The Board received an e-mail indicating that the moderator has died. RL replied asking for more details on moderation team and setup.
*** RL noted that the moderation e-mail uses a domain from Terje Mathisen, who may be hosting the moderation system. RL to contact him to get further details on the moderation setup, including whether he's willing to continue hosting it or even take over as moderator.
*** In the meantime, RL to post an MVI.
* Infrastructure
** The Board's e-mail and web hosting at Contabo was down on 2–3 September due to a site-wide outage at one of their data centres.
** MM noted that our e-mail and web hosting have no IPv6 support. MM offered to investigate and rectify this. TM to send MM credentials to our hosting account.
** TM suggested we periodically make external backups of the data on our Contabo and Panix accounts. MM has arranged for an offsite server. MM/RL to produce cron jobs to automatically back up the data using rsync or similar. TM may conduct his own independent backups.
** MM noticed the Board's Junk folder was getting large. TM set an auto-expiry in his mail client to 180 days.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** RL has not yet had a chance to examine the NGI application forms, though TM said that at this point it's unlikely we'd make its deadline.
** RL looked a bit more into the Sovereign Tech Fund into this and found that the minimum funding is €50K. Also, they don't fund user-facing applications, so we could probably not apply the funding to things like newsreader development.
* Misc
** TUGboat article
*** MM made some contributions
*** TM replied to an e-mail from Karl Berry and TUGboat and informed him that we'll be submitting an article
** Paul Schleck proposals: No progress.
** DigiCAM25 (a.k.a. BDCAM25)
*** We received notification of acceptance of our panel.
*** RL to contact the organizers to inquire about the event setup with a view to determining whether he could attend in person or remotely. RL to inform TM about this, and TM to poll Katie and Avery and then inform the organizers whether the panel will be in-person or online (or maybe hybrid, if this is allowed).
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-09-13

Present: RL, MM. TM sent his apologies that he could not attend due to a last-minute emergency.
* Administration
** 
*** No response yet from the volunteer moderator.
** 
*** No response yet from the moderator.
** 
*** No response yet from the volunteer moderator.
** 
*** MM has prepared an MVI post for review by RL and TM. RL and TM to send comments.
** and 
*** TM and MM have sent FAQ revisions to RL. RL to apply the changes and circulate a final version before posting.
** 
*** The Board received a reply from Terje Mathisen, who hosts the submission mailbox for the newsgroup. He would be happy to take over as moderator, and asked for suggestions for moderation software.
*** In a post made to alt.lang.asm, Robert Prins also expressed interest in moderating the group, but did not want to act as the sole moderator.
*** RL replied to Terje Mathisen with software suggestions, and mentioned that he and Robert Prins could form a moderation team if desired. RL also sent a message to Robert Prins to suggest forming a moderation team.
*** RL posted an MVI for the newsgroup.
* Infrastructure
** MM added IPv6 support to the Board's web and email hosting, and asked for reports of anything that did not work as expected.
** MM has created an account on his server for backing up data from the Board's Contabo VPS and Panix account. MM/RL to produce cron jobs to automatically back up the data using rsync or similar.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** RL has not yet had a chance to examine the NGI application forms, though TM said that at this point it's unlikely we'd make its deadline.
** Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates.
* Misc
** TUGboat article
*** RL to review MM's contributions and edit as necessary.
** Paul Schleck proposals: No progress.
** DigiCAM25 (a.k.a. BDCAM25)
*** RL to contact the organizers to inquire about the event setup with a view to determining whether he could attend in person or remotely. RL to inform TM about this, and TM to poll Katie and Avery and then inform the organizers whether the panel will be in-person or online (or maybe hybrid, if this is allowed).
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-09-20

Present: RL, MM, TM
* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** MM reviewed the Board's past correspondence with the moderator and contacted him to discuss some options and to draw his attention to the NNTP gateway functionality of Mailman 3. No response yet.
** 
*** No response yet from the volunteer moderator.
** 
*** RL and TM sent MM comments on his draft MVI. Agreed that any one of us could make the requested revisions as time permits.
** and 
*** RL sent updated version of FAQs. RL to set up a script to post them periodically and to post an announcement that we have taken over moderation of the groups.
** 
*** RL has posted an MVI and is corresponding with the volunteers
* Infrastructure
** RL to send MM ssh keys and set up cron jobs to do backups from Contabo and Panix
** MM reports that IPv6 seems to be working
** MM suggested enabling automatic security updates on the Contabo server
** MM suggested we use a remote monitoring tool that notifies us if the Contabo services go down. MM will see about setting this up on his infrastructure.
** E-mail from GoDaddy asking us to review our account information. TM to check on this.
** MM noticed strange HTTP requests from AWS and suggested installing fail2ban. RL investigated and believes the request are a harmless (to us) bug in Amazon's web crawler. Agreed that MM could install fail2ban at his leisure.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
* Misc
** JE wrote about an article he got published on researching Usenet:Jason Evans. How to use Usenet for research an OSINT investigations. _UNREDACTED Magazine_ 007:30–33, September 2024.
** TUGboat article: TM to revise in the next few days.
** Paul Schleck proposals: No progress.
** DigiCAM25 (a.k.a. BDCAM25): RL waiting to hear back from organizers regarding health precautions.
** TM might not attend next week's meeting due to a conflicting appointment
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-10-04

Present: MM, TM
* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** No response yet from moderator to MM's correspondence.
** 
*** No response yet from the volunteer moderator.
** 
*** No further progress on MVI draft. TM/RL to revise and post when possible.
** and 
*** RL has posted announcements in and on Announcements about our taking over these groups. TM to make the corresponding posts on Twitter/X and Facebook.
*** Status of periodic posting script: no report yet from RL
** 
*** The MVI has attracted some replies.
*** RL is continuing to correspond with the volunteers.
* Infrastructure
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups: no update from RL yet
** Status of automatic security updates: MM has enabled this
** Status of remote monitoring: no progress yet but MM will investigate soon
** GoDaddy account: TM logged in and found everything is still under JE's name. Details seem to be correct, and JE is still paying for the account.
** Status of fail2ban: no progress yet, but MM will investigate soon
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
* Misc
** TUGboat article: TM revised and expanded RL's draft with help from RL and MM, and then submitted it.
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress
** DigiCAM25 (a.k.a. BDCAM25): TM asked the organizers for a hybrid online/in-person setup, and for the panel to take place in the afternoon in London (morning in Washington and Manitoba). Organizers confirmed both requests shouldn't be a problem and would be discussed at their next meeting.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-10-11

Present: RL, TM
Apologies: MM
* Administration
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group.
** 
*** No response yet from moderator to MM's correspondence.
** 
*** No response yet from the volunteer moderator.
** 
*** No further progress on MVI draft. TM to look at it today and propose revisions as necessary.
** and 
*** RL has installed and manually tested the scripts to periodically post the FAQs. These run from a cron job on Panix.
** 
*** RL will ping the volunteers for an update; in the meantime the MVI will remain open.
* Infrastructure
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups: no update from RL yet
** Status of remote monitoring: no update yet from MM
** Status of fail2ban: no update yet from MM
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
** RL made further improvements to PyModerator; it is now compatible with Python <= 3.11. It does not work yet with Python > 3.11 because those versions removed the module supporting NNTP. However, it remains available as a third-party module and so RL could possibly revise PyModerator to use it. RL also submitted his revisions to the developer and proposed creating a repository for the project on GitHub. The developer agreed to this and asked RL to do so.
* Misc
** TUGboat article: Editors sent proofs and requested revisions to the manuscript. TM made the requested changes and resubmitted the manuscript. Article is slated to appear in the next issue.
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress
** DigiCAM25 (a.k.a. BDCAM25): No update yet from organizers on the format and timing of the panel.
** TM gave apologies for next week as he has a conflicting event.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-10-25

Present: RL, TM, MM
* Administration
** 
*** MM passed on a report from () that doesn't have a working moderation address. RL investigated the issue and found that the moderator, Tim Skirvin, had announced his retirement, apparently after trying but failing to find a replacement moderator. RL found that is in the same situation. Agreed that MM would draft at RFD to remove the group, following the examples Nan:2023-12-01-rfd-rec.radio.broadcasting, and circulate it to the Board for comment and revision.
** 
*** Still waiting for Greg Pfeil to confirm that he's now set up to send approved posts to this group. TM to ping Greg for an update.
** 
*** No response yet from moderator to MM's correspondence. MM to ping the moderator for an update, and in case of no/negative response to investigate how we could host the mailing list gateway ourselves.
** 
*** No response yet from the volunteer moderator, who was last heard from in August. RL to write once more, asking the volunteer to set a deadline after which we can proceed with group removal.
** 
*** All were happy with the current draft of the MVI, so TM will post it.
** 
*** The MVI has continued to attract discussion as recently as 2024-10-03. The volunteer, Terje Mathisen, last wrote to us on 2024-10-18 indicating that more time is needed. Agreed to defer consideration.
** 
*** The Board received news from the moderator, Roy, via and , and various third-party e-mails, that moderated posts are not appearing on . Jonathan Kamens identified the issue as a transient DNS issue and indicated that he is considering how to monitor the error condition so that he gets notified about it sooner in the event of a recurrence. No further action required from the Board as Jonathan has already responded on the group.
* Infrastructure
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups: No further progress by RL.
** Status of remote monitoring: No further progress by MM.
** Status of fail2ban: No further progress by MM.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
* Misc
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-11-01

Present: RL, TM
Apologies: MM
* Administration
** and 
*** MM circulated a draft RFD and TM circulated some revisions and questions/comments. RL wrote to Tim Skirvin for clarification.
** 
*** TM wrote to Greg Pfeil, who responded on 2024-10-28 that he has been making progress but doesn't have a definite timeline yet. Greg also asked about further moderation options. RL to respond to him.
** 
*** MM wrote to Dan Mahoney, who responded on 2024-10-26 that they are still investigating options for restoring the mailing list gateway. Agreed to defer consideration pending an update from Dan.
** 
*** RL wrote to Jay Henning, who responded on 2024-10-31 that he is still interested in volunteering and will look into moderation software this weekend. Agreed to defer consideration pending an update from Jay.
** 
*** TM posted the MVI, which has been attracting a lot of comments, and at least two volunteers. Agreed to let the MVI run a bit longer before contacting the volunteers.
** 
*** The MVI has continued to attract discussion as recently as 2024-11-01. The volunteer, Terje Mathisen, last wrote to us on 2024-10-18 indicating that more time is needed. Agreed to defer consideration.
* Infrastructure
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups: No further progress by RL.
** Status of remote monitoring: No further progress by MM. RL set up a monitor on UptimeRobot to ping the Board's website.
** Status of fail2ban: No further progress by MM.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
* Misc
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress.
** TM has accepted an invitation to contribute a book chapter on Usenet to a proposed academic book in media/communication studies. Chapter to be co-authored with two academic colleagues.
** TM: A new journal article on the history of Usenet, from one of its designers: Steven M. Bellovin, "Netnews: The Origin Story," in IEEE Annals of the History of Computing, doi: 10.1109/MAHC.2024.3420896.
** TM: Update from DigiCAM25 co-organizers regarding scheduling and registration.
** TM: Apologies for next meeting. As RL and MM had been unable to join the Jitsi Meet room without him, TM will send around invite with new room name.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024
Minutes/2024-12-13

Present: TM, MM, RL
* Administration
** and 
*** TM posted a 2nd RFD on 2024-12-06. Per Procedure to remove newsgroups#Moderated newsgroups, agreed to let this run for a further week with a view to posting a LCC on 2024-12-20.
** 
*** Greg Pfeil has accepted our offer to temporarily host the moderation infrastructure. RL to attend to this this week.
** 
*** Last contact from Dan Mahoney on 2024-10-26. Agreed to defer consideration while he sorts out the issue of the mailing list gateway.
** 
*** Last contact from Jay Henning on 2024-10-31. RL wrote to him on 2024-12-04 requesting an update. RL to write to him again with a firm deadline of one week, after which we will proceed with our deletion vote.
** 
*** Anthony wrote on 2024-12-11 that he has set up e-mail addresses and a website for the group. TM to review these and, if everything is in order, inform the ISC about the new submission address, coordinate the announcement about the change in moderator, and close the MVI.
** 
*** On 2024-12-08 Terje wrote to the other two volunteers, offering to keep the approval address on his server. Awaiting further details.
** news.groups.proposals
*** The group's signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org. Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier. We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.
** 
*** TM still to prepare a group removal RFD.
** Moderated groups without moderators
*** MM prepared a draft RFD for a mass cull. TM and RL to review and comment via e-mail.
** news.admin.announce
*** TM discovered that this group was previously discussed at Minutes/2020-12-04; TM was to have installed a STUMP instance for Tim Skirvin to resume moderation but evidently this had fallen off his radar. TM to ask Tim if he is still interested in moderating the group.
** 
*** TM wrote to Jonathan Kamens and received a response on 2024-12-06 suggesting that the potential for abuse could be mitigated introducing rate-limiting.
*** On 2024-12-10 Ivo Gandolfo wrote offering to run the autoresponder. Agreed to accept this offer; MM to get the new submission address from Ivo and notify the ISC.
* Infrastructure
** RL reports he can connect to Jitsi while authenticated, so we will continue to use it for meetings.
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups: No further update from RL.
** Remote monitoring
*** MM has been investigating Munin but Debian packages only an older version.
*** In Ivo Gandolfo's e-mail of 2024-12-10, he offered to set up remote monitoring for us. Agreed to accept this offer; MM to liaise with Ivo about this.
* Software/funding
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien's comments on INN.
** TM still to respond to Julien.
** OTF IFF/NGI0/Sovereign Tech Fund: no further updates
* Misc
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress.
** BDCAM25 is offering bursaries for attendees who are not institutionally supported. RL to look into these and to notify TM about his eligibility.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2024