Bug triage/2009-07-06/Transcript

* [12:02] Alexa Linden: today, we're working off of 
* [12:02] Moon Metty: shortly huh? that's what all tinies say
* [12:02] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:03] Moon Metty: :D
* [12:03] WolfPup Lowenhar: -*@ ROFL @*-
* [12:03] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey soft
* [12:03] Squirrel Wood: there he is
* [12:03] Soft Linden: Hey hey hey
* [12:03] Alexa Linden: and here's the man of the hour!
* [12:03] Moon Metty: hi Darv
* [12:03] Alexa Linden: and Darv too :D
* [12:03] Soft Linden: Who to the what now?
* [12:03] Darv Linden: Hey Alexa :P
* [12:03] Moon Metty: hi Soft!
* [12:03] Soft Linden: Ah right, no Kona this week
* [12:03] xstorm Radek: did some one say snowglobe ?
* [12:03] Alexandrea Fride: hi Soft and Darv
* [12:03] Squirrel Wood: we've already done a sec issue :p
* [12:03] Kerry Giha: Hello Soft
* [12:03] Alexa Linden: As I was just saying, today's agenda is 
* [12:04] Morgaine Dinova: Hi Soft, Darv!
* [12:04] xstorm Radek: hi soft
* [12:04] Soft Linden: Getting back to our normal crowd here. Let's *remember* this the next time we're trying to convince peers that messaging longer-term problem fixes helps. :3
* [12:04] Harleen Gretzky: Hi Soft
* [12:05] Alexa Linden: :)
* [12:05] Soft Linden: Set to jump in?
* [12:05] Alexa Linden: yup!
* [12:05] Soft Linden: WEB-1091 - Votes: 5 - OpenID Login Process for XStreetSL.com fails with Opera browser (and sometimes others)
* [12:05] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1091: 
* [#WEB-1091] Login Process: for XStreetSL.com fails with Opera browser (and sometimes others)
* [12:05] Soft Linden: Looking through. We had one similar issue that turned out to be people turning cookies off, etc
* [12:05] Harleen Gretzky: There is a workaround in the last couple of comments
* [12:06] Harleen Gretzky: Opera masking as IE seems to work
* [12:06] Soft Linden: ugh
* [12:06] WolfPup Lowenhar: and acepting all cookie
* [12:07] WolfPup Lowenhar: sine openid is a 'third' party system
* [12:07] Moon Metty: hi Dirk
* [12:07] Soft Linden: Alright. Let's import, but be sure to mention the "have to mask as IE" bit at the end
* [12:07] Dirk Talamasca: Ji Moonie!
* [12:07] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:07] Harleen Gretzky: If it were just a cookie issue I would think it would be more thatn just Opera, lots of ppl disable cookies nowadays
* [12:07] Soft Linden: SVC-2273[c
* [12:07] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2273: 
* [#SVC-2273] randomly shutting: themselves off
* [12:07] Soft Linden: Oh man, that would suck
* [12:07] WolfPup Lowenhar: and the virtualy no secutrity setting in opra
* [12:08] Soft Linden: Reading to see if there's any repro help...
* [12:08] Soft Linden: QA and devs hate "random"
* [12:08] Squirrel Wood: latest viewer - still happening ?
* [12:08] Squirrel Wood: this was 1.22.4
* [12:08] Darv Linden: Wow, 1.22.4 *server*
* [12:08] Kerry Giha: If you try to save a script that isn't written correctly it will save and switch to not running. I had this happen
* [12:08] WolfPup Lowenhar: that was 4 sever versions ago as well
* [12:08] Alexa Linden: nmi, latest client?
* [12:09] WolfPup Lowenhar: and server
* [12:09] Davy Linden: It's not a viewer bug
* [12:09] Alexa Linden: move to svc?
* [12:09] Squirrel Wood: so if you get an error the script is stopped
* [12:09] Davy Linden: it already is SVC
* [12:09] Moon Metty: yes, Squirrel, maybe that's it
* [12:09] Alexa Linden: ack nm sorry
* [12:10] Alexandrea Fride: *checks to make sure theres no cotail in Alexa ice tea*
* [12:10] Soft Linden: All I can think of is the person who has it happen a lot is having scripts actually crash
* [12:10] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:10] Soft Linden: I know if we imported this right now, it would disappear down a hole. Really need more repro help...
* [12:10] Harleen Gretzky: Yeah, Lex suggested that in his comment
* [12:10] Darv Linden: Ask if it happens with simple looping scripts?
* [12:10] Moon Metty: hmmm, when you save a script, and you change the running-bit before the save has finished, it won't stick
* [12:11] Darv Linden: (that can't crash?)
* [12:11] Squirrel Wood: yup.. need to be patient when saving a script
* [12:11] Morgaine Dinova: Is there a programmed action that can stop a script from running? Or just owner clicking off run?
* [12:11] Soft Linden: So if you save, set it running and close the window before the save completes?
* [12:11] Moon Metty: yes Soft
* [12:11] Soft Linden: Yes, scripts can set each other to running/not running
* [12:11] Soft Linden: Might have to be mod-ok though
* [12:12] Soft Linden: Alright, that UI issue we could tackle.
* [12:12] Soft Linden: But that doesn't explain the person who says one customer in 50 gets a non-running script
* [12:12] WolfPup Lowenhar: they could be taking the itme in with the script not running to there inventory so it would have a false rinning bit set
* [12:12] Morgaine Dinova: Perhaps some instrumentation would help, to record the event that turned running off.
* [12:12] Soft Linden: Would someone write up a separate JIRA for that issue of saving, checking then closing too quickly?
* [12:13] Moon Metty: ok
* [12:13] Soft Linden: That would be in VWR
* [12:13] Moon Metty: yeah
* [12:13] Alexa Linden: thanks Moon
* [12:13] Moon Metty: :)
* [12:13] Kerry Giha: Could just make a script not close while it was compiling/saving :)
* [12:13] Soft Linden: Yup.
* [12:14] Soft Linden: If we can get that one on the agenda next week, let's link it up to this, and then NMI on this asking for specific cases where this happens which don't match the other writeup.
* [12:14] Morgaine Dinova: But that's an assumption, that that's the cause. Ideally one wants the reason for stopping recorded.
* [12:14] Alexa Linden: so on this one?
* [12:14] Alexa Linden: NMI?
* [12:14] Soft Linden: Just do the date on this one for now
* [12:14] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:14] Soft Linden: And then next week we'll get the other linked up and do the NMI details
* [12:15] Moon Metty: it's an old report with few comments
* [12:15] Alexa Linden: k
* [12:15] Moon Metty: it can't happen that often
* [12:15] Soft Linden: yeah. If we find it's just one object after separating the other issue...
* [12:15] Soft Linden: We might just look at that one person's script and see if it's got an issue there, not a server issue.
* [12:15] Soft Linden: Or a landlord who's abusing the option to set scripts to not running
* [12:16] Moon Metty: lol
* [12:16] Morgaine Dinova: Ew
* [12:16] WolfPup Lowenhar: ouch
* [12:16] Soft Linden: I have to admit. It's tempting with those animated cats and stuff that just suck up region resources. :3
* [12:16] Soft Linden: VWR-5832[c
* [12:16] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5832: 
* [#VWR-5832] Crash -: Network Data fall to Zero - Crash Logger does not detect crash
* [12:16] Darv Linden: Instead of product, got tomcat. Would not purchase again.
* [12:17] WolfPup Lowenhar: there is a comment on this one about some ISP's blocking SL ports causeing it to drop
* [12:17] Morgaine Dinova: Well that would be a jolly good reason for recording which event turned a script off! "Sim owner is a BOFH" would explain it nicely :P
* [12:17] Dirk Talamasca: I tell em if they want playful animated cat then go to Zindra
* [12:17] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:17] Soft Linden: !!!
* [12:18] WolfPup Lowenhar: i know a lot of the older animated scripted pets will use a lot of sim scri[pt time
* [12:18] WolfPup Lowenhar: shouts: hello dessie
* [12:18] Soft Linden: So one person's log there actually has: 2009-05-06T16:49:16Z WARNING: LLAlertDialog::createXml: Alert: [YouHaveBeenLoggedOut]
* 2009-05-06T16:49:16Z WARNING: LLAlertDialog::createDialog: Alert: You have been logged out of Second Life:
* This region may be experiencing trouble. Please check your connection to the Internet.
* [12:19] Soft Linden: I think I'd like to find out if anyone is having this who doesn't see: 2009-05-06T16:49:16Z WARNING: LLCircuitData::checkCircuitTimeout: LLCircuitData::checkCircuitTimeout for 216.82.22.77:13001 last ping 100.663 seconds ago.
* 2009-05-06T16:49:16Z WARNING: LLCircuitData::checkCircuitTimeout: LLCircuitData::checkCircuitTimeout for 216.82.22.77:13001 still dead, dropping.
* [12:19] Dirk Talamasca: They toss that junk out and leave it out while they sign off for 4 days so we enjoy the lag...
* [12:19] Soft Linden: I'll add a comment, then we should NMI
* [12:19] Dessie Linden: Heya, WolfPup!
* [12:19] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:19] Squirrel Wood: As of late I am getting zero traffic holes too... until it all suddenly catches up
* [12:19] Moon Metty: hi Dessie
* [12:19] Dirk Talamasca: Hi Hi Latif
* [12:19] Dessie Linden: Hi Moon!
* [12:19] Moon Metty: hey Latif :)
* [12:20] Soft Linden: Okay, added comment
* [12:20] Latif Khalifa: hello :)
* [12:20] Alexa Linden: thanks
* [12:20] Dirk Talamasca: Hi there Dessie
* [12:20] Soft Linden: WEB-397[c
* [12:20] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-397: 
* [#WEB-397] screen web: page is erroneously cached
* [12:20] Dessie Linden: Hey Dirk!
* [12:20] Dessie Linden: You, too Ellla!
* [12:20] Alexa Linden: a year old
* [12:20] Kerry Giha: Eeek This is kinda old
* [12:21] Morgaine Dinova: Is the sim ping time as shown in Statistics Bar actually a continuous heartbeat? Or is it merely inferred from normal data ACK times?
* [12:21] Squirrel Wood: oldie but goldie ?
* [12:21] Alexa Linden: nmi - still a problem?
* [12:21] Squirrel Wood: nmi. definitely
* [12:21] Alexa Linden: k
* [12:21] Dirk Talamasca: Login screen could do with a nice resolution rezize fix like in Snowglobe.
* [12:21] Ellla McMahon: hello Dessie :))
* [12:21] Kerry Giha: The problem with the Windlight Viewer is :)
* [12:21] Soft Linden: Yeah. last comment is 1.5 years ago
* [12:21] Soft Linden: Let's NMI, still happening?
* [12:21] Alexa Linden: k
* [12:22] Moon Metty: i don't understand any of Lex' last information
* [12:22] Morgaine Dinova: Because if the ping time is a heartbeat, then it would be relevant to the "gradual crash" theory
* [12:22] Soft Linden: MISC-154[c
* [12:22] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-154: 
* [#MISC-154] of actions: and orders on the avatar, as well as words in chat and IMs
* [12:22] Soft Linden: Right. The disconnect is detected by a ping timing out.
* [12:23] Squirrel Wood: custom client build ?
* [12:23] Alexa Linden: re-opened in feb
* [12:23] Darv Linden: "source version 1.15"?
* [12:23] xstorm Radek: ?
* [12:23] Kerry Giha: That or I am thinking their internet connection as well.
* [12:23] Darv Linden: Plus a ton of duplicates
* [12:23] Soft Linden: The original reporter's last comment is that this was fixed with different net service
* [12:24] Kerry Giha: With a sat connection sometime I get double posts to chat but usually what I click on and stuff is done once
* [12:24] Darv Linden: I'm not 100% sure those dupes are really dupes...
* [12:24] Alexandrea Fride: about the chat hapend sometimes to me to but its verry rearly (and hepend last week), dunno about the other events
* [12:24] xstorm Radek: i have not seen this happen ? what has this person on to do that ?
* [12:24] Soft Linden: We should close this, route any more of these to support. If support can't find a connection issue, they'll bounce back to engineering.
* [12:24] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:26] Morgaine Dinova: It would help is the viewer had a Test SL Connection button ;-)
* [12:26] Soft Linden: I could easily see that issue happening with like PPPoE on a strained connection. UDP can arrive way late after being delayed by the PPP tunnel, and could get retransmitted as a result
* [12:26] Soft Linden: SVC-1574[c
* [12:26] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1574: 
* [#SVC-1574] objects embed: themselves in other objects and get 'stuck'
* [12:26] Squirrel Wood: havok 1 / havok 4
* [12:26] Darv Linden: Morgaine - There is a "drop a packet" button? :P
* [12:26] Morgaine Dinova: Hehe
* [12:26] Squirrel Wood: different physics engine, different behavior
* [12:26] Squirrel Wood: there is.
* [12:26] Alexa Linden: Hey Opensource :)
* [12:26] Harleen Gretzky: Ctrl-Alt-L
* [12:27] Opensource Obscure: : ) hey everybody
* [12:27] xstorm Radek: this i have seen
* [12:27] Alexandrea Fride: hey opensource
* [12:27] Squirrel Wood: advanced => network => drop a packet
* [12:27] Kerry Giha: hehe I had this happen to myself in early Havok 4 days where I could get shot into a wall and get stuck. Hasn't happened in a good while
* [12:27] xstorm Radek: i have seen it happen in a lvl 4 sim more
* [12:27] Soft Linden: If nothing else, I like the weird pictures on this issue.
* [12:27] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:27] Moon Metty: :)
* [12:28] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [12:28] Moon Metty: we had a huge airliner in our building once
* [12:28] Soft Linden: I'd like to NMI - pretty old
* [12:28] Soft Linden: havok4 beta
* [12:28] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:28] xstorm Radek: its not funny
* [12:28] Soft Linden: SVC-1966[c
* [12:28] Squirrel Wood: I know of a way to "break" physics... but its not related to that issue
* [12:28] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1966: 
* [#SVC-1966] spontaneously change: on object once it's rezzed by new owner.
* [12:28] xstorm Radek: when see a car stuck in a build
* [12:29] Moon Metty: another oldie
* [12:29] Soft Linden: yeah...
* [12:29] Latif Khalifa: there are a ton of perms-go-weird-on-rez issues :(
* [12:29] xstorm Radek: why so many old ones ?
* [12:30] Squirrel Wood: I would assume he set perms in inventory, then dragged the items into the box
* [12:30] Soft Linden: I would have suspected changing to incompatible perms in inventory, but Lex said that's covered
* [12:30] Latif Khalifa: btw. can a friendly linden chack internal jira to see if there is a chance of SVC-4444 getting into 1.27
* [12:30] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4444: 
* [#SVC-4444] become fully: permissive when rezzed - with repro
* [12:30] Moon Metty: with repro - new in box
* [12:30] Soft Linden: Latif - actually, we're pretty sure that one's a viewer issue
* [12:30] Alexandrea Fride: tested that today and repo confermed
* [12:31] Soft Linden: Looks like the bulk permissions changes aren't taking in some circumstances, but the cached impression of them shows the permissions as if they were
* [12:31] Soft Linden: We're looking into that still
* [12:31] Soft Linden: On this other one, I can't think of anything we can do
* [12:31] Latif Khalifa: Soft, I find that difficult to believe, as the next owner gets items marked correctly in inv, its on rezz bad things happen
* [12:32] Soft Linden: Latif - I can put the engineer working on that in touch with you if you want
* [12:32] Latif Khalifa: Soft, please
* [12:32] Moon Metty: the root of the problem could be in the client
* [12:32] Latif Khalifa: do
* [12:32] Moon Metty: but it may affect the server
* [12:32] Soft Linden: Will do
* [12:32] Soft Linden: Alright. This other issue though -
* [12:32] Moon Metty: yes
* [12:33] Soft Linden: I can't think of anything else we can do with that much information.
* [12:33] Soft Linden: Hrm
* [12:33] xstorm Radek: i have seen user side send the wrong info to the server and got screen shots
* [12:34] Soft Linden: On SVC-1966 - ask if it's still happening, and if they would mind a Linden logging into an affected account to compare the two items with different permissions
* [12:34] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:34] Soft Linden: Might mean we need to work with one of the customers who got an affected item.
* [12:34] Soft Linden: SVC-2337[c
* [12:34] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2337: 
* [#SVC-2337] destroying quality: of life, limit free account IMs per day.
* [12:34] Latif Khalifa: i'm still affected by "next owner permissionns applied od rez" too
* [12:35] Latif Khalifa: lol, press Mute dude
* [12:35] Alexa Linden: seems like a policy issue
* [12:35] Alexa Linden: not a bug
* [12:35] Kerry Giha: Yea mislabled
* [12:35] Squirrel Wood: I doubt spambots would care for policies
* [12:35] Squirrel Wood: or the ToS
* [12:36] Alexa Linden: k - marking under advisement and flagging for review
* [12:36] Alexandrea Fride: limit ims for free users would hurt half the grid .. bad idea :p
* [12:36] Latif Khalifa: i'm logged in 12 hours a day, i never get any IM spam
* [12:36] Soft Linden: Well, this is reported by someone who's a bit more visible in problem areas
* [12:36] Soft Linden: I expect they're being specifically harassed
* [12:36] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:37] WolfPup Lowenhar: if they were to limit 'free' account to 3 im/day that would kill a lot of people that work as host in places that do not have a 'paid' account
* [12:37] Soft Linden: All I can really do is suggest filing abuse reports.
* [12:37] Latif Khalifa: yup
* [12:37] Alexa Linden: ya, I'll take care of this one
* [12:37] Soft Linden: k
* [12:37] Soft Linden: SVC-890[c
* [12:37] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-890: 
* [#SVC-890] can cause: a stack/heap collision in certain circumstances
* [12:37] WolfPup Lowenhar: as a host i do do a lot of im spaming to get people to come to where im hosting
* [12:37] Morgaine Dinova: Mute functionality needs to be extended, generally. AR doesn't scale, too costly.
* [12:37] Dirk Talamasca: Lotsa cobwens in this triage
* [12:38] Squirrel Wood: the example script does not check if perms have actually been granted so that may be a cause for the issue
* [12:38] Dirk Talamasca: cobwebs*
* [12:38] Soft Linden: Frankly I can think of a ton of things I'd like to limit on new & free accounts. But it kinda runs against most Lindens' ethic.
* [12:38] Dirk Talamasca: Which ethic?
* [12:38] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [12:38] Darv Linden: Sounds like something in that whole area related to wearing stuff from ground, again
* [12:39] Soft Linden: I'd import SVC-890
* [12:39] Darv Linden: (er, SVC-890)
* [12:39] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:39] Soft Linden: That should be really easy to verify - good repro notes
* [12:39] Morgaine Dinova: Policy isn't a great topic for here :-)
* [12:39] Soft Linden: Yeah. There are exactly zero policy Lindens present.
* [12:39] Squirrel Wood: the script fails to verify the proper permissions have been granted though
* [12:39] Alexa Linden: :)
* [12:39] Alexandrea Fride: :p
* [12:39] Soft Linden: So good for lots of smoke, little fire.
* [12:39] Squirrel Wood: it just assumes they have
* [12:40] Soft Linden: VWR-14176[c
* [12:40] Dirk Talamasca: lotsa smoke sounds good
* [12:40] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14176: 
* [#VWR-14176] Textures version: 1.23 Appears to effect Alpha textures with texture changing script.
* [12:40] Moon Metty: that looks familiar
* [12:40] Soft Linden: Won't finish! - affect vs effect!
* [12:40] Moon Metty: i tried to reproduce , but couldn't
* [12:40] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:40] Moon Metty: but the effect is there on that spot
* [12:40] Soft Linden: alexa - no no no joke
* [12:40] Alexa Linden: :p
* [12:41] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [12:41] Soft Linden: sorry :3
* [12:41] Moon Metty: i 've been thinking it may have to do with the 2 local light limit
* [12:41] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:41] Squirrel Wood: windlight vs no windlight.
* [12:41] Squirrel Wood: of course there is a difference...
* [12:41] Dirk Talamasca: looks like a bad targa/png combo
* [12:41] Moon Metty: the number of local lights is smaller with the shaders off
* [12:41] Moon Metty: that's new in 1.23
* [12:41] Squirrel Wood: lighting is different.
* [12:41] Latif Khalifa: moon, didn't Nyx in BigPappi say it was most problaby viewer isse?
* [12:42] Latif Khalifa: at their office hour
* [12:42] Moon Metty: yes Latif
* [12:42] Soft Linden: We can take this one in - there's a slurl in the comments that should make it easy to test
* [12:42] Latif Khalifa: throw it at them
* [12:42] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:42] Squirrel Wood: throw hard ^^
* [12:42] Soft Linden: VWR-14301[c
* [12:42] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14301: 
* [#VWR-14301] crashes immediately: on changing screen mode (Linux)
* [12:42] Morgaine Dinova: My Jira, and strongly related to [VWR-14302
* [12:42] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14302: 
* [#VWR-14302] crashes immediately: on altering Prefs->UI Size and pressing Apply (Linux)
* [12:42] Morgaine Dinova: This is a 100% repro for me, but it's annoyingly hard to repro for other Linux users unless they have the same or similar font directories, or maybe just a lot of fonts. It seems to be unsafe memory deallocation in all viewers later than 1.22.11, which only causes a crash for some people.
* [12:43] Soft Linden: Install Linux, problem sol... oh wai
* [12:43] Morgaine Dinova: (Alexa's is 14301, not 03)
* [12:43] Latif Khalifa: lol Soft
* [12:43] Kerry Giha: hehe
* [12:43] Morgaine Dinova: (Alexa's is 14301, not 14302)
* [12:43] Latif Khalifa: linux and fonts... they don't mix well ;)
* [12:43] Soft Linden: Alexa - can import this
* [12:44] Alexa Linden: k
* [12:44] Moon Metty: lol
* [12:44] Soft Linden: I'd also take in VWR-14302
* [12:44] Soft Linden: It's prooooobably the same bug
* [12:44] Alexa Linden: k
* [12:44] xstorm Radek: gave you user side error to server.
* [12:44] Soft Linden: WEB-1110[c
* [12:44] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1110: 
* [#WEB-1110] allows accounts: presumably banned from the Second Life service to log in
* [12:45] Morgaine Dinova: Merov explained why the font freeing changed post 1.22.11 -- unicode. But it doesn't help me get any closer. I can help with the debug if you want Soft
* [12:45] Soft Linden: I know there's a bigger font discussion going on right now...
* [12:45] Kerry Giha: hehe what are they going to do? buy something?
* [12:45] Morgaine Dinova: nods
* [12:45] Soft Linden: That would be a good topic for sldev if you wanted, Morgaine
* [12:45] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [12:46] Latif Khalifa: view -> show stats font in 1.23 is *ugly*
* [12:46] Soft Linden: Should really have a proper font management system instead of picking orders and rolling the dice on what fonts are installed on a given platform/computer
* [12:46] Soft Linden: Trying to stay on agenda though...
* [12:46] Soft Linden: WEB-1110[c
* [12:46] Soft Linden: Yeah. This should be imported.
* [12:46] Dirk Talamasca: agreed Latif
* [12:46] Alexa Linden: agreed
* [12:46] Morgaine Dinova: Soft: I don't know anything about fonts, but I know a man who does --- Dzonatas Sol :-))
* [12:46] Alexa Linden: and I'll ping a couple of people who I've talked to about this
* [12:46] Soft Linden: MISC-1931[c
* [12:46] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1931: 
* [#MISC-1931] Sim crashes: with SLaccountant of libsl or other botprograms
* [12:47] Squirrel Wood: don't linux users just need one font? for 80x25 text mode? ;)
* [12:47] Morgaine Dinova: lol
* [12:47] Soft Linden: This probably reflects a bug that's been fixed already, but let's import and follow up still. We'd take a purposeful sim crasher seriously.
* [12:47] Morgaine Dinova: Whatever happened to scalable fonts? Weren't they going to save us from all this font misery? ;-)
* [12:47] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:47] Soft Linden: Import, add Periapse as a watcher if ya would
* [12:48] Alexa Linden: k
* [12:48] Soft Linden: SVC-1801[c
* [12:48] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1801: 
* [#SVC-1801] not always: working on Havok4 sims
* [12:48] Squirrel Wood: you skipped one..
* [12:48] Soft Linden: Ah! I'll check back in a sec
* [12:49] Soft Linden: For SVC-1801 - that's old havok4. Ask if it's still happening and if so - if they can point to a sample asset
* [12:49] Alexa Linden: k
* [12:49] Soft Linden: Squirrel - the last, I asked for an import
* [12:49] Soft Linden: That was MISC-1931 - did I skip a different one?
* [12:50] Squirrel Wood: yup
* [12:50] Soft Linden: Which was it?
* [12:50] Squirrel Wood: 1931 it was
* [12:50] Soft Linden: Ah, okay. Yeah - 1931 was import.
* [12:50] Darv Linden: Er, we did 1931 :)
* [12:50] Squirrel Wood: kk
* [12:50] Alexa Linden: yup
* [12:50] Soft Linden: SVC-2661[c
* [12:50] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2661: 
* [#SVC-2661] unseeable prims: 
* [12:50] Soft Linden: It was quick - easy to miss in the chaos. :3
* [12:50] Darv Linden: Dupe?
* [12:51] Squirrel Wood: we had a similar one last week
* [12:51] Squirrel Wood: total invisiprim
* [12:51] Soft Linden: Yup, probably a dupe of that, looking....
* [12:51] Soft Linden: Least. Helpful. Snapshot. Ever.
* [12:51] Moon Metty: :)
* [12:51] Dirk Talamasca: LOL
* [12:52] Moon Metty: how do you make a snapshot of something invisible?
* [12:52] Alexa Linden: lol
* [12:52] Dessie Linden: =D
* [12:52] Kerry Giha: hehe true
* [12:52] Soft Linden: Ah, so this resi is putting prims below ground?
* [12:52] Moon Metty: "crackpot photographs Truman again"
* [12:52] Soft Linden: "If I put a prim below 0m"
* [12:52] xstorm Radek: them are ghost prims
* [12:52] xstorm Radek: there are more then one type of ghost prims
* [12:53] Aimee Trescothick: the emporer's new prim
* [12:53] xstorm Radek: one is the invis. prim
* [12:53] Soft Linden: Let's retitle this to mention "items below 0m" and import
* [12:53] Alexa Linden: k
* [12:53] xstorm Radek: the other is dirty data left on the server side
* [12:53] Soft Linden: I think there's a sim fix coming that would prevent this.
* [12:53] Latif Khalifa: ghost prims is something different... most of them happen when sim half-drezzes it, ie. its deleted in sim but not in havok, this is not one of those
* [12:53] Soft Linden: #
* # SVC-3078[c] Votes: 1: - Temp Objects are being removed too early. Somtimes instantly.
* [12:53] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3078: 
* [#SVC-3078] Objects are: being removed too early. Somtimes instantly.
* [12:54] Squirrel Wood: temp object removal is dictated by the amount of temp prims on the parcel... so I would say it works as intended...
* [12:54] Soft Linden: This is really more of a feature request. Darling wants things to expire a minute after being set temp.
* [12:54] xstorm Radek: lag will do that to temp items
* [12:54] Alexa Linden: expected behavior
* [12:55] Soft Linden: Yeah. It's expected behavior. I'd suggest a JIRA proposing a new behavior. It wants a lot of discussion.
* [12:55] Soft Linden: If we just "fixed" this the way darling wants, then objects could stay rezzed forever just by retweaking that flag every 59 seconds.
* [12:55] xstorm Radek: thats not new to see it happen
* [12:55] Moon Metty: how often does a sim check the age of a temp object?
* [12:55] Moon Metty: or is that a question for Andrew and Simon?
* [12:55] Soft Linden: Good question for Andrew
* [12:56] Moon Metty: lol ok
* [12:56] Soft Linden: I think once a minute it will reap up to some number.
* [12:56] Soft Linden: But Andrew probably implemented it
* [12:56] Latif Khalifa: probably on every frame
* [12:56] Soft Linden: Nah, it's not every frame
* [12:56] Soft Linden: Not sure why not, but it's definitely much more coarse
* [12:56] Soft Linden: I've been through that code, just don't remember the numbers
* [12:57] Soft Linden: So yeah. Expected Behavior. Suggest a new JIRA proposing new feature and discussion
* [12:57] Alexa Linden: ok
* [12:57] Soft Linden: SVC-3412[c
* [12:57] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3412: 
* [#SVC-3412] Loss --: When will SL understand what the word "Transaction" means ?
* [12:57] Latif Khalifa: lol nice title
* [12:58] Moon Metty: SL needs a dictionary
* [12:58] Dirk Talamasca: Resolve that as "We'll have it down by Thursday".
* [12:58] Latif Khalifa: there is something definatly weird with derez to inv (take or delete)
* [12:59] Soft Linden: This would just be a dupe of SVC-114. We know there's still some inventory loss. I don't see any new information that would help an engineer here.
* [12:59] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-114: 
* [#SVC-114] Inventory Loss: issues, fixes, development
* [12:59] Latif Khalifa: Normally when I "take" object it goes into the same folder where it came from
* [12:59] Alexa Linden: yup
* [12:59] Latif Khalifa: but.... when it happes during one of the "sim freezes" it goes into default Objects folder instead
* [12:59] Moon Metty: oh
* [12:59] Soft Linden: Ack! 12:59 already!
* [13:00] Soft Linden: And 1.
* [13:00] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [13:00] Alexa Linden: Thank you all for joining us today :D
* [13:00] Soft Linden: Pencils down, please pass your papers to thel eft.
* [13:00] Moon Metty: awwww
* [13:00] Alexa Linden: lol
* [13:00] WolfPup Lowenhar: -*@ ROFL @*- soft
* [13:00] Alexa Linden: ~*~*~ BUNNEH!!!! ~*~*~
* [13:00] Davy Linden: thanks everyone
* [13:00] Latif Khalifa: wish support tickets handling was this punctial :P
* [13:00] Moon Metty: lol
* [13:00] xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)~[13:00
* [13:00] Darv Linden: waves!
* [13:00] Squirrel Wood: Sweet Bunny you make me Happy!
* [13:00] Moon Metty: thank you Soft, Alexa
* [13:00] Alexandrea Fride: tc all
* [13:00] Soft Linden: Ha! I hear Moonflower Beck1
* [13:00] Moon Metty: and everyone
* [13:00] Squirrel Wood: Sanctum Piter oteum,
* [13:00] Soft Linden: =^.^= SOFT LINDEN
* [13:01] Squirrel Wood: Deus ore uneum.
* [13:01] Squirrel Wood: Hippitus hoppitus reus homine.
* [13:01] Dirk Talamasca: Thanks darv, Soft, Alexa and Dessie
* [13:01] Squirrel Wood: Kisses Kerry Giha on the Nose
* [13:01] Latif Khalifa: Soft, put dev working on SVC-4444 in touch with me, i have a very similar repro with a different manifestation lol
* [13:01] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4444: 
* [#SVC-4444] become fully: permissive when rezzed - with repro
* [13:01] Soft Linden: Annnd - go hide in a corner, catch up on IMs
* [13:01] Darv Linden: Thanks Dirk
* [13:01] Squirrel Wood: Sweet Bunny you make me Happy!