Community Translation Project/Office Hours/2009 09 08

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[12:59]	:	Hi Yann
[13:00]	:	hi Yann
[13:00]	:	heya!
[13:00]	:	it´s raining Lexie
[13:00]	:	HI ㋡
[13:00]	:	hehe
[13:00]	:	hi, Lady Lexie
[13:00]	:	lol
[13:00]	:	Hi Lexie
[13:00]	:	Lexie! XXXX ㋡
[13:00]	:	This might be a short meeting hehe...no real agenda today
[13:00]	:	Unless you all have topics : ))
[13:01]	:	CT logo, hmmm
[13:01]	:	hehe no worries
[13:01]	:	I think Simone is coming today
[13:01]	:	I have one for tomorrow :)
[13:01]	:	i can use the logo of second life for that i think :(
[13:01]	:	Hi Surf
[13:01]	:	hello Surf
[13:01]	:	oh tomorrow I wont have Office hour. I have a schedule conflict. I need to cancel that on wiki etc
[13:01]	:	Hi Surf ㋡
[13:01]	:	Hi LIsa : ))
[13:01]	:	hi
[13:01]	:	heya Lisa ㋡
[13:01]	:	Lisa*
[13:02]	:	then I have a topic for next week
[13:02]	:	*$*LoL *$*
[13:02]	:	Hiya guys :)
[13:02]	:	Hi Lisa
[13:02]	:	hi Surfaqua Lisa
[13:02]	:	lol
[13:02]	:	How is everyone doing today?
[13:02]	:	doing *good* :)
[13:02]	:	fine, tks
[13:02]	:	fine thx
[13:02]	:	nice!
[13:03]	:	yes fine :-)
[13:03]	:	hows you doing, Lexie?
[13:03]	:	oh lexie do you try the last animation of crabe when i send that to you? :P
[13:03]	:	I'm good!
[13:03]	:	:)
[13:03]	:	oh I forgot! I will
[13:03]	:	huhu Simone
[13:03]	:	Hi Simone ㋡
[13:03]	:	Hi everyone....
[13:03]	:	hi Lady Simone
[13:03]	:	you can try now if you want :D
[13:03]	:	LOL
[13:03]	:	Hi Link
[13:03]	:	hi link
[13:03]	:	Your Royal Highness
[13:03]	:	lol Yann
[13:03]	:	hello hello
[13:03]	:	hi Simone ㋡
[13:04]	:	hello everybody
[13:04]	:	hi Torben, hi link
[13:04]	:	Hi Yann!
[13:04]	:	salut link, ça vas bien? ㋡
[13:04]	:	Hi Slatan ㋡
[13:04]	:	très bien Yann merci
[13:04]	:	fine :)
[13:04]	:	Ca va, merci
[13:04]	:	hi Slatan
[13:04]	:	Knutscher an Torben
[13:04]	:	bien Simone! :D
[13:04]	:	*rotwerd*
[13:04]	:	moi après mes 4 cafées je suis ok! ㋡
[13:04]	:	hehe
[13:05]	:	Hi Slatan
[13:05]	:	hello Lexie and fellow translators :))
[13:05]	:	㋡
[13:05]	:	Hi Slatan
[13:05]	:	tks ㋡
[13:05]	:	hi all
[13:05]	:	ha double tp'd you I think
[13:05]	:	:))
[13:05]	:	hi Bianca
[13:05]	:	Lexies do you know if you have a simultaned translator for more of 1 language ??
[13:05]	:	hi Bianca
[13:06]	:	Hi Bianca!
[13:06]	:	What do you mean Yann? Explain?
[13:06]	:	now I can see everyone and waves again :))
[13:06]	:	Ciao ◕ ‿ ◕ Ciao
[13:06]	:	a tutti ... hello everyone!
[13:06]	:	ciao Bianca
[13:06]	:	Ciao Bella
[13:06]	:	because i see an international translator scipt at Torley meeting
[13:06]	:	hmm
[13:07]	:	and what does that script do?
[13:07]	:	the script can translate in french but i'm note sure if the script translate in all langage
[13:07]	:	bella ... tks Simone ㋡
[13:07]	:	not*
[13:07]	:	oh..ok so it works on meeting transcripts etc?
[13:07]	:	yes
[13:07]	:	i think
[13:07]	:	interesting..I do not know. I will ask Torley about what is being used.
[13:08]	:	i don't know if the script translate for each users with the viewer setup request ..
[13:08]	:	I have never heard of it either
[13:08]	:	Hi Youri ㋡
[13:08]	:	hi Youri
[13:08]	:	but if is possible ㋡
[13:08]	:	hi youri
[13:08]	:	hi all :D
[13:08]	:	hi Youri
[13:08]	:	Sounds interesting for sure
[13:08]	:	㋡
[13:08]	:	hello Youri
[13:08]	:	Hahahaha
[13:09]	:	cough
[13:09]	:	cough
[13:09]	:	your are site on Simone
[13:09]	:	LOL
[13:09]	:	lmao youri
[13:09]	:	help!
[13:09]	:	LOL
[13:09]	 	wonders if Simone feels comfy
[13:09]	:	took a little longer then I hoped for, but oh well :)
[13:09]	:	Thats not a cushion..it is Simone :p
[13:09]	:	looool
[13:09]	:	It is a bit warm
[13:09]	:	héhé
[13:09]	:	slatan?
[13:09]	:	yes ?
[13:09]	:	Simone Chair Linden
[13:09]	:	hahaha
[13:09]	:	youri...je zit bovenop Simone
[13:09]	 	
[13:09]	:	lmao youri
[13:09]	:	Pick a new seat Youri ㋡
[13:10]	:	oh
[13:10]	:	lmao
[13:10]	:	Youri You are sit on Simone lool
[13:10]	:	haha
[13:10]	:	LOL
[13:10]	:	ssorry simone :p
[13:10]	:	woot
[13:10]	:	didnt see you yet :p
[13:10]	:	LOL
[13:10]	:	That happens lol
[13:10]	:	:)))
[13:10]	:	np
[13:10]	:	errare humanum est perseverare est diabolicum
[13:10]	:	no one here i hope :)
[13:10]	:	none
[13:10]	:	~hi Dawny
[13:10]	:	lol, good :D
[13:10]	:	ok so, last week we talked a little about the CT logo jira: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CT-491
[13:11]	:	it depends Bianca he he
[13:11]	:	Hi Dawny ㋡
[13:11]	:	might have to get a bigger avatar... so it is easier to see me
[13:11]	:	Hi Dawny
[13:11]	:	Dawny :))
[13:11]	:	Hi everyone (sorry Im late)
[13:11]	:	poor simone, getting crushed by me :)
[13:11]	:	Did anyone add new ideas to that jira?
[13:11]	:	I have not had a chance to check today : ))
[13:11]	:	I liked some of the ideas I saw late last week though
[13:11]	:	i havnt been on SL for about 4 days now, so... nothign here :)
[13:11]	:	with a lot of flags ?
[13:11]	:	I was waiting this meeting to get other ideas or change completely logo...
[13:12]	:	maybe .. use the word .. "Linden".. in french it's a tree
[13:12]	:	maybe in spannish.. Linden it's another word ? :)
[13:12]	:	I think there are many ways to go with it. Lots of good ideas that will represent what CT does and means
[13:13]	:	We need more entries though : )
[13:13]	:	The more the better so I will do a reminder to group
[13:13]	:	Then we have enough we can ask everyone to look and vote, then run it past the Lab to make sure it is ok to use : )))
[13:14]	:	Also..there was jiras for the Spanish and BR Portuguese homepage images
[13:14]	:	Linden in Dutch is associated with a tree. but since the Dutch take up place #9 of 50 countries, I think the word Linden should ot be changed
[13:14]	:	yes ... I ve launched an idea of a cirlced world but if someone else wants to take it and transform it, free of doing it
[13:14]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CT-489 Spanish homepage
[13:14]	:	and German homepage, too!
[13:14]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CT-490 BR Portuguese
[13:14]	:	Yes and German too!
[13:15]	:	poking Torben
[13:15]	:	hehehe
[13:15]	:	I think as far as the CT logo..it needs to be somewhat "general" so it can include all languages
[13:16]	:	So if you have time, please contribute to the jiras : )
[13:16]	:	may it be a idea to have 1 general logo and for each language a flag attached as waterstamp?
[13:16]	:	or in the background?
[13:17]	:	a logo, with snowglobe icone?
[13:17]	:	try making it and see how it comes out or add the idea to the jira?
[13:17]	:	why not
[13:17]	:	not that yann
[13:17]	:	because CT project are a opensource project ㋡
[13:17]	:	CTlogo
[13:17]	:	CT logo only
[13:17]	:	okey
[13:17]	:	: ))
[13:17]	:	but its an idia ㋡
[13:17]	:	this aint bug triage my little robot friend :)
[13:18]	:	Last week we also talked about the fact that not all translators are in the CT group. This makes it a bit hard to see who all is in your language and may want to do some teamwork.
[13:18]	:	but.. maybe a problem .. because . french/belgian ans dwiss.. spoke french :))
[13:18]	:	The idea was to add all CT names to a public wiki page but...
[13:18]	:	swiss*
[13:18]	:	belgian is having 2 languages, Dutch (flemmish) and French
[13:18]	:	we cannot do that since not all have agreed to public announcement of the project participation
[13:19]	:	not smart to get a seperate language for that
[13:19]	:	yes and in Switzerland.. 3 :)
[13:19]	:	All we can do is open the page and encourage everyone to add their name on their own
[13:19]	:	yeah
[13:19]	:	isn´t it 4?
[13:19]	:	agree
[13:19]	:	yes 4 :)
[13:19]	:	yes 4
[13:19]	:	well great, the point for the logos i think the CT group is a multi-task project ㋡
[13:19]	:	:)
[13:19]	:	with the romanche. a dialect :)
[13:19]	:	you speak romanche Surf ? :))
[13:19]	:	the belgian people should choose between french or dutch, we cant do all languages. just too much work
[13:20]	:	no :-P
[13:20]	:	ouf :)
[13:20]	:	besides, belgian french is the same as the France use
[13:20]	:	yes but not the same flag :))
[13:20]	:	flemmish is basicly the same as dutch
[13:20]	:	youri, i,m from quebec? ㋡
[13:20]	:	also :))
[13:20]	:	their flag is based on the dutch and german flags :)
[13:20]	:	maybe not a good idea the flag :))
[13:21]	:	don'tt use a flags on the logos ^^
[13:21]	:	I think maybe a more general design?
[13:21]	:	Then it will be simple and no one would have any issues re: flags or representation
[13:21]	:	you can use a flags, but blank model i think ㋡
[13:21]	:	I agree
[13:21]	:	the idea of adding a flag on the logo is basicly showing which resident is working on what language. nothing more
[13:21]	:	and more creative
[13:22]	:	noo community distinctions ..
[13:22]	:	exactly Yann
[13:22]	:	You can put something together and let everyone vote ㋡
[13:22]	:	smack your ideas on the jira :)
[13:22]	:	exactly
[13:22]	:	i can try lexie, but i am not a picture artist :)
[13:22]	:	: ))
[13:23]	:	the logo are for a CT groups i know and you know you have all memmber of differend community , and if you use the flags tjhe risk is you can forgot a community ㋡
[13:23]	:	Maybe ask someone who contributed something to help? Teamwork!
[13:23]	:	brb
[13:23]	:	hb
[13:23]	:	hb
[13:24]	:	i suppose for now we are looking for a general logo only for the group, right?
[13:24]	:	I think no one is even thinking about what i mean lexie, i have a feelign its wasted energy ;)
[13:24]	:	the groups have a simple but, to learn all users how to translate and contribute on the CT ㋡
[13:24]	:	yes Yann.. maybe just the flags.. behind the LL logo ?
[13:25]	:	I do no tthink it is a waste of time. I think it will take teamwork though and some thought
[13:25]	:	not a logo of ll ㋡
[13:25]	:	but a logo with a scool board ㋡
[13:25]	:	school
[13:25]	:	i rather not have anything that reminds me of my school time yann ;)
[13:26]	:	You all can decide to meet on this logo idea on your own too. Maybe you want to discuss with more translators? Not all can make this meeting time
[13:26]	:	if you have an idea, just create a sketch or so. There is always others who can perfect it later on
[13:26]	:	Good idea Lisa
[13:26]	:	right Lisa
[13:26]	:	maybe .. some boards.. with the divers ideas ?
[13:26]	 	draws a box and hands it to Lisa..fix it please!
[13:26]	:	lol
[13:26]	:	school board with some language .. and a translations in english ㋡
[13:26]	:	lol
[13:26]	:	You will be surprised ;)
[13:27]	:	hahah
[13:27]	:	yann, isnt that the same as my flag idea?
[13:27]	:	:-)
[13:27]	:	lol
[13:27]	:	Well, add ideas on the jira so all can look and comment please
[13:27]	:	and a active speakers , with Welcome to CT Pproject
[13:27]	:	either a language or a flag, its the same
[13:27]	:	lol
[13:27]	:	okay Lexie better way
[13:27]	:	you simply can not seperate them
[13:28]	:	unless there will be a new flag thanks to a war or something
[13:28]	:	maybe just the language name in the language might be the safe way for now
[13:28]	:	nbecause the client is translate for som language now ㋡
[13:28]	:	you can uses the same language of the translation for the logo ㋡
[13:28]	:	Did you all see what I mentioned about putting the whole list of translators on wiki? It wont work. So you will be seeing a notice from me or survey asking those who are willing to add their name of add it to survey so I can add them
[13:29]	:	Lexie, do you have an idea about how many members there are?
[13:29]	:	I already placed myself on SLwiki
[13:29]	:	I think 230+
[13:29]	:	Oki.
[13:29]	:	yeah. I basically want a list of active translators at the moment.
[13:29]	:	Not all of them active, probably
[13:29]	:	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Youri_Ashton
[13:29]	:	exactly
[13:29]	:	and the language they do
[13:30]	:	Odds are only the active ones will add name to the list or survey anyway
[13:30]	:	right
[13:30]	:	then we could ping them to have their name on a wiki or so
[13:30]	:	lexie i think you can indict the good way with somes ruls , like for a contest logo* ㋡
[13:30]	:	I do not have a translator page link on my wiki profile i think...
[13:30]	:	So it will be helpful and then I will compare who adds name and see if they are missing the CT group. Try to get them in if possible
[13:30]	:	Good idea
[13:30]	:	think everyone should have their own wiki page created so that people can see their info easier as well
[13:31]	:	Not all like using wiki so..I will set up an easy page to edit
[13:31]	:	i has a wiki page :)
[13:31]	:	i saw torben :)
[13:31]	:	But User pages are very nice to have too
[13:31]	:	loll, my wikis pages not very complete, i don't have times for me ㋡
[13:31]	:	yeah... not everyone knows how to create a wiki profile...
[13:31]	:	right
[13:31]	:	there´s many people willing to help with it
[13:31]	:	we should put down a basic tutorial
[13:31]	:	Speaking of wiki...thats in line with another topic
[13:31]	:	that could be very usefull for some Lexie! good idea!
[13:32]	:	ah, just ask Zai :)
[13:32]	:	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Translation_-_Tools_we_Use - This page...
[13:32]	:	yes zaipedia ㋡
[13:32]	:	zai is the wiki master :)
[13:32]	:	has many of the resources we use
[13:32]	:	hehehe
[13:32]	:	haha yes Zai is the wiki master
[13:33]	:	The Tools we use page has the links etc to all the places we use to teamwork etc but...
[13:33]	:	this may be handy as well: http://slog.whiz-kids.de/index.php
[13:33]	:	Do you think we should be more organized? More specific on what tools we use for what type participation. Should we trim the tools and use a top 2? Ideas?
[13:33]	:	thanks to zai ofcourse :)
[13:34]	:	Are we too spread out even though we have the list on one page
[13:34]	:	should be possible to create a category of translators Lexie?
[13:34]	:	yes, I think there are too many places with different info
[13:34]	:	I´d love to have the info channels reduced
[13:34]	:	agree
[13:34]	:	For new translators it is difficult to find their way around.
[13:34]	:	Im sure we can have a category. We may have one. I can check
[13:34]	:	in order to be auto-listed
[13:35]	:	auto-listed..I do not think can happen
[13:35]	:	i'ts my opinion too Lexie
[13:35]	:	even for established translators it´s hard to follow up on all channels
[13:35]	:	But I do agree it is alot of places to look and understand
[13:35]	:	true
[13:35]	:	A one-page approach with links to everything will work best
[13:36]	:	We need to streamline communication and centralize information.
[13:36]	:	I sound like a government clerk
[13:36]	:	Do you think we should use the CT Forum more..or is it not helpful. (Meaning: Fix it up and make it the "go to" place?)
[13:36]	:	lol Simone
[13:36]	:	for those who do not have a wiki profile page if you add the category in which you are an expert or are working on, it will automately list you in an appropriate page
[13:36]	:	I like the mailing list best
[13:36]	:	There are indeed too many resources everywhere
[13:36]	:	at work I can´t look in forums
[13:36]	:	Right Bianca..if they add the category
[13:36]	:	but reply to emails quick
[13:36]	:	I can't even find them all anymore....
[13:36]	:	a forum .. too long to retrieve an information
[13:37]	:	hmm ok
[13:37]	:	I checked the mailing list today, it has only 49 members.
[13:37]	:	A lot of them don+t seem to be active translators.
[13:37]	:	That is a pretty quiet list
[13:37]	:	the forum has the advantage that information stay visible though
[13:37]	:	True
[13:37]	:	If it is set up right it could be helpful
[13:37]	:	The only one who posted to the list in September was me....
[13:37]	:	same for me simone
[13:37]	:	an noone answered...
[13:38]	:	: ((
[13:38]	:	lots dont seem to be active
[13:38]	:	lol
[13:38]	:	Simone, how do you determine if they are active or not? Like them responding to messages in the mailinglist?
[13:38]	:	Twitter? anyone using twitter? I was at 2 office hours today reading twitts from lindens ㋡
[13:38]	:	awww I would have I had had known it means so much
[13:38]	:	We have Pjira and google docs that we must keep.
[13:38]	:	it's easy twitter.. juste send by mail
[13:38]	:	Lisa, just by looking at the names.
[13:39]	:	Lisa...its hard to say "active" or not but if we never hear from them..they do not respond to notecards, emails, group or forums...I lean towards not active
[13:39]	:	Many were not familiar. Granted, i don´t know all of you guys but at least I have seen most of your names somewhere.
[13:39]	:	true
[13:39]	:	Lots of the names on the ct list I have never seen before.
[13:39]	:	Also can check CT group to see if they have not logged in for many months
[13:39]	:	(if they are part of ct group)
[13:39]	:	some were active a few months ago then disappeared
[13:40]	:	yes
[13:40]	:	I must say I receive all notifications in the mailinglist, but i never respond to that either. Besides that I never use the forum either.
[13:40]	:	but the names in the mailing list don´t have to reflect the SL name
[13:40]	:	me too Lisa
[13:40]	:	It took me ages for my hotmail to say Torben Trautman
[13:40]	:	I guess I lean towards the forum because it is easily expandable and can have sub-channels..documents etc
[13:40]	:	hmm.. seem to have 105 calling cards, and about 20 or so are active
[13:40]	:	I prefer communication inworld more. Like using the groups. It will involve others easier that way also.
[13:41]	:	usually
[13:41]	:	I was just joking about the responding.... I do not expect people to respond to my ct mailing list emails.
[13:41]	:	same Lisa
[13:41]	:	hahaha
[13:41]	:	I like that as well Lisa/Slatan but that is a little hit and miss since everyone isnt online at same times
[13:42]	:	yes Youri :)
[13:42]	:	loll Youri*
[13:42]	:	with some more dicussions, things will evolve by themself I guess...
[13:42]	:	Its a hard question to figure out.
[13:42]	:	lol yann
[13:43]	:	Yourie, policy of confidentiality :p
[13:43]	:	I think we need to put thought into this..all of us. It is important for the future that we communicate effectively
[13:43]	:	With many languages it could turn into an interesting debate in the groupchat :)
[13:43]	:	Youri*
[13:43]	:	hehe true
[13:43]	:	lol
[13:43]	:	I agree, Lexie
[13:43]	:	We need to figure out where is the best place for us to post info
[13:44]	:	besides, he added me without me asking for it :p
[13:44]	:	youri.....niet belangrijk......
[13:44]	:	well , i blame philip if i,m addic t of second life ㋡
[13:44]	:	lol
[13:44]	:	I was mentioning twitter for quick calls because there is a new kind of service called TWIBE that is a specific group of twitters linked by an interest... just for quick launches
[13:44]	:	I am twittering as SimoneLinden
[13:44]	:	Simone maybe we can take this to the team and get more feedback? Then talk with translators again and get their feedback as well?
[13:44]	:	iLL ADD YOU ㋡
[13:44]	:	Great!
[13:44]	:	sorry caps
[13:44]	:	okey simone, i use YannDufaux for my part ㋡
[13:44]	:	but many dont use twitter Bianca.. me first
[13:44]	:	im on twitter aswell.
[13:45]	:	http://twitter.com/YouriAshton
[13:45]	:	I have not twittered yet
[13:45]	:	lol
[13:45]	:	yeah I know Sla ...
[13:45]	:	I do not use Twitter either......it is all just too much for me
[13:45]	:	you need too much time to follow all those things
[13:45]	:	Lexies, you don't have twitter and facebook, well lexie you wait for what? :p
[13:46]	:	I know. I have started using it and have gotten some great feedback in regards to terminology from people.
[13:46]	:	ok, please put some thought into ideas or what you think is the best way to focus on CT communications so that it is sustainable as we grow as a group
[13:46]	:	@biancaluce is mine
[13:46]	:	ok
[13:46]	:	We can talk about this again next week : ))
[13:46]	:	We will discuss with l10 team and get some feedback from them
[13:46]	:	you can launch a Second life CT project group on facebook too ㋡
[13:46]	:	great Simone!
[13:47]	:	That was all Ihad for today : ) Any other topics from anyone?
[13:47]	:	i wont join yann, i prefer my RL on facebook not be added in any form to SL :)
[13:47]	:	did you think about a CT weekend or something?
[13:47]	:	work is fun, but i rather not mix it with my private life :)
[13:48]	:	good point Lisa could be funny and helpful
[13:48]	:	Youri a lot of SL users use their avie name on facebook
[13:48]	:	I have it on the list but did not get a chance to talk to the team yet for feedback. I will!!
[13:48]	:	I prefer keep my private picture :)) don't let it on twitter :))
[13:48]	:	ok
[13:48]	:	i know bianca :)
[13:48]	:	㋡
[13:48]	:	Youri, i use my second life name on facebook , for personal reason ㋡
[13:48]	:	true my SL name on my credit cards too he he
[13:48]	:	me too.. I am now best known as my avie name lool
[13:49]	:	lol
[13:49]	:	loll Slatan
[13:49]	:	:))
[13:49]	:	i dont really see the point in all those different accounts, just dont see the point :)
[13:50]	:	i dont want facebook...yes so many sites... want to see me and Klee? Check my RL tab hehehe All sorted then ;)
[13:50]	:	http://www.twibes.com/group/SecondLife #All
[13:50]	:	ok, I think we are done with the "official" meeting ㋡
[13:50]	:	LOL
[13:50]	:	Thanks for coming everyone...feel free to hang out and chat here if you want
[13:50]	:	:)
[13:50]	:	yeah that twibe took me to Pathfinder today. ㋡
[13:50]	:	bye everybody
[13:50]	:	thanks :)
[13:50]	:	thanks for having us lexie and simone :)
[13:50]	 	waves
[13:51]	:	Ciao ◕ ‿ ◕ Ciao
[13:51]	:	Lexie
[13:51]	:	see you
[13:51]	:	ty Lexie and Simone
[13:51]	:	See you all soon!
[13:51]	:	Nice to see you all!!!
[13:51]	:	Ciao ◕ ‿ ◕ Ciao
[13:51]	:	bye
[13:51]	:	Simone see you on twitter
[13:51]	:	Your Royal Highness
[13:51]	:	Have a good evening!
[13:51]	:	im off as well, gotto get up early tomorrow :(
[13:51]	:	Yes, Bianca
[13:51]	:	bye :)
[13:51]	:	have fun all!
[13:51]	:	trusten
[13:51]	:	㋡
[13:51]	:	you have a lot of anwsers ?
[13:51]	:	Thank you for getting the transcript Yann!
[13:51]	:	jij en vroeg? lol
[13:51]	:	concerning the question on the website ?
[13:52]	:	yes lexies for sure i get
[13:52]	:	die gaat meestal om 6 uur smorgens naar bed
[13:52]	:	lol
[13:52]	:	hoe krijgen we meer hollanders betrokken?
[13:52]	:	argh on saura pas combien de personnes ont répondu au questionnaire :(
 
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