Open Source Meeting/2009-10-22

* Agenda proposed for 2009-10-22
* - Error message: media_plugin_webkit occurs on startup
* - Mac OS X version 1.1.2.2584 version string is incorrect
* - Crash when clicking on resident profile link in in-world search
* - install.xml has boost 1.34 packaged, but llmedia requires boost 1.39
* - Linux viewer buids renams gstreamer plugin to quicktime plugin
* - Update pluginapi code so to support MediaOnAPrimUI
* - Build of LLPlugin fails on 64bit linux due to non PIC code linking into the DSO
* - Mini-map renders incorrectly sometimes
* - OGP Interop fails with "OK data: incorrect parameters"
* --- Snowglobe 1.2 test sprint #1 ---
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* [2009/10/22 14:00] Chris Tuchs: Hi Hyang! Hi Scott! Hi everybody! I'm a newbie, I'll be quiet prolly....
* [2009/10/22 14:00] Robin Cornelius: Heh no one else will be
* [2009/10/22 14:00] Robin Cornelius: lol
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Robin Cornelius: Welcome Chris
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Gr, bloody IRCNet. >:/
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Electron Electricteeth: /
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: And, hey Rob.
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Rob Linden: hi folks
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Robin Cornelius: Hey Grey Rob
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Belatrix Blackadder: heya
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Electron Electricteeth: waves at Chris and Hyang
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Hyang Zhao: hi Rob!
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Ardy Lay: Hi Rob
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Hyang Zhao: hey hey
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Geneko Nemeth: Come to FreeNode!
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Questar Utu: o.o
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Already am. :p
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Questar Utu: pokes Pixel.
* [2009/10/22 14:01] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: IRCNet for #ukscene.
* [2009/10/22 14:02] Pixel Gausman: youch!
* [2009/10/22 14:02] Questar Utu: suddenly realises I need to create a claw retraction script for my paws. <o <
* [2009/10/22 14:02] Geneko Nemeth: pounces Pixel. "Dragonfly!"
* [2009/10/22 14:03] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: lol hon.
* [2009/10/22 14:03] Pixel Gausman: wow, can't hang with these carivores, can i
* [2009/10/22 14:03] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: You're fine, I'm only a rabbit.
* [2009/10/22 14:03] Geneko Nemeth: I won't bite.
* [2009/10/22 14:03] Rob Linden: we could try keeping up with the original plan to use this week as a test sprint, but I'm not sure we should
* [2009/10/22 14:03] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Hey Merov.
* [2009/10/22 14:03] Techwolf Lupindo: waits for the other shoe to drop from rob...
* [2009/10/22 14:03] Techwolf Lupindo: :-)
* [2009/10/22 14:03] Questar Utu: I'm more of a voltivore, in the sense that I eat energy. xP
* [2009/10/22 14:04] Rob Linden: here's the agenda Ardy put together: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda
* [2009/10/22 14:04] Rob Linden: which I'm really surprised a certain something isn't on there, but I'm not really going to complain if no one else does
* [2009/10/22 14:05] Techwolf Lupindo: Like I said Rob, waiting for the other shoe to drop.
* [2009/10/22 14:05] Latif Khalifa: hm, i think certain something need to be addressed here too ;)
* [2009/10/22 14:05] Geneko Nemeth: shrugs. If nobody is going to talk about a certain something he'll just be here buying soy sauce.
* [2009/10/22 14:05] Adz Childs: hehe
* [2009/10/22 14:06] Rob Linden: I guess I will say a little bit about it since it's the elephant in the room, but let's not go on past 14:15
* [2009/10/22 14:06] Ardy Lay: Okay
* [2009/10/22 14:06] Robin Cornelius: well thats a point, if anyone has not commented on the blog in a constructive way then please do so
* [2009/10/22 14:07] Chris Tuchs: Which blog?
* [2009/10/22 14:07] Rob Linden: the certain something is this: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/10/20/third-party-viewer-policy
* [2009/10/22 14:07] Geneko Nemeth: https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/3731
* [2009/10/22 14:07] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: did so when it went about in #opensl.
* [2009/10/22 14:07] Chris Tuchs: (I feel like this chat is partially encrypted -- lol)
* [2009/10/22 14:07] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: My inbox was flooded nicely too.
* [2009/10/22 14:07] Saijanai Kuhn: Not to mention the ongoing realtime flamefest in Groupies
* [2009/10/22 14:07] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: 150 emails in 7 hours after getting up. :p
* [2009/10/22 14:08] Aimee Trescothick: sounds like an average day :D
* [2009/10/22 14:08] Questar Utu: o__O
* [2009/10/22 14:08] Hyang Zhao: heh
* [2009/10/22 14:08] Rob Linden: as I've already said on sldev@, on #opensl, and in AW Groupies, it's really important to state your case in the forum in the most constructive, clear, cheerful and humble way you can muster
* [2009/10/22 14:08] Techwolf Lupindo: Unfortually, the blog and forums are just a smokescreen to lube us up for the enable screwing. Remember Zindra? Lots of feedback, but nothing was changed. Meaning the policity was allready disided. Dark times are ahead.
* [2009/10/22 14:08] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: I mentioned if it weren't for Snowglobe, I'd have no SL on Linux.
* [2009/10/22 14:08] Robin Cornelius: which is very difficult when a certain someone is looking for a fight
* [2009/10/22 14:09] Pixel Gausman: robin: that certain someone always wants a fight
* [2009/10/22 14:10] Rob Linden: Techwolf: don't say things like that with your "out loud voice" ;-) seriously, though, saying things like that are anti-persuasive
* [2009/10/22 14:10] Latif Khalifa: Rob, I thought we had some community standards on those. I don't appreciate being called a thief, a criminal and a thug for developing open source software, and that's what's happening on the blog with impunity...
* [2009/10/22 14:10] Techwolf Lupindo: I can't comment on the blog due to my mailbox would be nearly distroyed. :-)
* [2009/10/22 14:10] Rob Linden: Latif: who called you a thief and a criminal?
* [2009/10/22 14:10] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Just set a spam filter Tech, it's what I did.
* [2009/10/22 14:10] Hyang Zhao: that someone
* [2009/10/22 14:10] Geneko Nemeth: Anti-persuasive because that is how the atmosphere seem to be.
* [2009/10/22 14:10] Rob Linden: Techwolf: you can opt out of the email
* [2009/10/22 14:10] Latif Khalifa: Prokofy Neva calls open source developers summarily like that
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Merov Linden: has no idea who that "someone" is...
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Geneko Nemeth: Never mind that copyright infringement isn't theft...
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Pixel Gausman: Merov: you've been debugging too much. :)
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Merov Linden: ooo... *that* one
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: will not mention anything about this someone.
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Rob Linden: File an AR if someone specifically lodges a personal attack against you
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Robin Cornelius: Yes the blog has been reduced to pityful fighting instead of people being able to express there opinion
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Aimee Trescothick: be glad Merov, be very glad
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Rob Linden: in general, file ARs if you see behavior on the blog that isn't constructive
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Techwolf Lupindo: You can't steal something that does not exist in the first place. :-)
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Chris Tuchs: My baby is privacy. I want to know if LL is going to "outlaw" privacy.
* [2009/10/22 14:11] Robin Cornelius: i respect all opinions but thats not what is happening on the blog
* [2009/10/22 14:12] Robin Cornelius: Ok ARs it is then
* [2009/10/22 14:12] Latif Khalifa: but to get back on the topic at hand, the question on everybody's mind is, what will policy be for connecting to Second Life with a home brew client that is not in the registry?
* [2009/10/22 14:12] Rob Linden: also.....try to ignore those people that aren't being constructive, and reply to the people that are
* [2009/10/22 14:12] Ann Otoole: I thought this was an open source meeting not a meeting of people in need of legal counsel :P
* [2009/10/22 14:12] Ardy Lay: I posted to the blog then copied it to SLDev, my honest opinion, and got 1 comment as of last check.
* [2009/10/22 14:12] Electron Electricteeth: I agree with Chris, Is LL going to make privacy a no-no? particularly encrypted communications
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Robin Cornelius: sorry yes, back to the point, thats what is happening with the noice, we are missing the point
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Rob Linden: Ann: I'm limiting this to 14:15, because I don't want this to be the sole topic today
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Mojito Sorbet: Q Linden had some constructive ideas about encryption
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Chris Tuchs: Where can I read them?
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Belatrix Blackadder: Problem is Rob she make all sorts of accusations which if unchallenged uninformed people will assume are true
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Robin Cornelius: So Rob? any policy decisions so far ?
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Pixel Gausman: I guess i felt that the blog entry was just fluffy saber rattling. i'm really not going to invest the time into worrying abt it until something concretely stupid is done by LL
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Mojito Sorbet: err... dunno if he keeps logs. It was in his OH
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Saijanai Kuhn: in a nutshell: if you have an encrypted conversation, you can't do an AR on the person you're having the convo with
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Latif Khalifa: especially the policy on connecting with homebrew clients not in the registry
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Techwolf Lupindo: What is needed for real feedback is a blog/forum/etc. where each avatar is allowed ONE comment. That is all whats really needed for feedback. Debate and discussions can be done elsewhere.
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Geneko Nemeth: Pixel: There aren't enough moronic acts yet?
* [2009/10/22 14:13] Mojito Sorbet: Yes, that is a good summary
* [2009/10/22 14:14] Melinda Latynina: rob: would you please answer electron's question?
* [2009/10/22 14:14] Rob Linden: I'll recommend ignoring the less constructive comments, and not sinking to the level of your opponents
* [2009/10/22 14:14] Ann Otoole: right. encrypted don't bother with AR. no evidence
* [2009/10/22 14:14] Rob Linden: Melinda: I'm not sure what Electron's question is, so I'm not sure I can answer it
* [2009/10/22 14:14] Robin Cornelius: If the person reporting theAR was involved in the encryped message, they could just provide the key so LL staff could read the logged encrypt
* [2009/10/22 14:14] Electron Electricteeth: I'll repeat it.
* [2009/10/22 14:14] Rob Linden: if you see a comment you'd like to make sure there's an answer to, post a reply to that comment
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Liandra Ceawlin: So no idea what the policy will be for connecting with homebrew viewers will be yet, then?
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Welcome back, Merov.
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Electron Electricteeth: Is LL going to make privacy a no-no? particularly encrypted communications
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Rob Linden: Liandra: no policy yet
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Pixel Gausman: eyes the clock
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Rob Linden: anyway....it's time to move on to the other stuff now
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Pixel Gausman: yay
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Liandra Ceawlin: Lol
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Mojito Sorbet: Which means there IS a policy, but the lawyers are not thru with it yet. We remember Zindra.
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Robin Cornelius: Aleric made some good comments on sldev re encryption
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Geneko Nemeth: Robin: I'm not sure about the OTR of Emerald, but the one built in Pidgin gives you plausible deniability that is you cannot be sure if any of the decrypted text is forged.
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Chris Tuchs: Rob: does LL plan to "outlaw" encryption?
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Rob Linden: onward to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-272
* [2009/10/22 14:15] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-272|JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-272]]: 
* [2009/10/22 14:15] Merov Linden: keeps crashing viewers of all versions..
* [2009/10/22 14:16] Merov Linden: that's my cue here
* [2009/10/22 14:16] Merov Linden: 272
* [2009/10/22 14:16] Chris Tuchs: Geneko, unless I made a mistake it's the same OTR in emerald as in Pidgin.
* [2009/10/22 14:16] Merov Linden: yes, I've been doing slow progress unfortunately :(
* [2009/10/22 14:16] Robin Cornelius: Merov, i'm not crashing from that at all
* [2009/10/22 14:17] Thickbrick Sleaford: tried SG on windows XP - crashfest
* [2009/10/22 14:17] Robin Cornelius: now
* [2009/10/22 14:17] Robin Cornelius: but i build my own
* [2009/10/22 14:17] Merov Linden: the reason of Snowglobe bit installing or running plug ins lies in the use of the MV CRT
* [2009/10/22 14:17] Pixel Gausman: i dont get a crash on my own-built 42924
* [2009/10/22 14:17] Robin Cornelius: i've been using trunk all day
* [2009/10/22 14:17] Merov Linden: we knew that with previous versions
* [2009/10/22 14:18] Merov Linden: and used a manifest to point the exe to the "good" CRT
* [2009/10/22 14:18] Robin Cornelius: ah right i sorted my CRTs
* [2009/10/22 14:18] Saijanai Kuhn: MV CRT?
* [2009/10/22 14:18] Rob Linden: / (one last thing: on the encryption front....I honestly don't recall what the stated policy is, and can't comment on what changes are being discussed. I wanted to answer that since it came in before the 14:15 cutoff, but don't want to descend down that rathole, so please stay on topic)
* [2009/10/22 14:18] Ann Otoole: question: if LL had the OTR key how would they use it? special one off client that has to be maintained too?
* [2009/10/22 14:18] Merov Linden: Sorry: the Visual Studio C Run Time library
* [2009/10/22 14:18] Merov Linden: I think it's called mvcrt80
* [2009/10/22 14:18] Saijanai Kuhn: ah, OK, still at helloworld on VS
* [2009/10/22 14:19] Merov Linden: anyway
* [2009/10/22 14:19] Robin Cornelius: everything was fine after i got 4053 on my system
* [2009/10/22 14:19] Merov Linden: the problem with the pluginapi is that now we have SLPlugin.exe to worry about
* [2009/10/22 14:19] Pixel Gausman: i was fixed after installing... 4053. thank goodness for IRC help
* [2009/10/22 14:19] Merov Linden: Robin: *Exactly*!
* [2009/10/22 14:19] Merov Linden: that darn 4053...
* [2009/10/22 14:19] Chris Tuchs: Ann: there is no OTR key to be had
* [2009/10/22 14:19] Robin Cornelius: Merov, ship the redist package for 4053
* [2009/10/22 14:20] Merov Linden: it's OK if you are a developer and have VS installed
* [2009/10/22 14:20] Robin Cornelius: so it installs in WinSxs where it belongs
* [2009/10/22 14:20] Robin Cornelius: no, its avaiable in updates from MS
* [2009/10/22 14:20] Merov Linden: but for all those poor folks running Windows without VS
* [2009/10/22 14:20] Merov Linden: that's a prolem
* [2009/10/22 14:21] Merov Linden: so, I've been working with the media team internally
* [2009/10/22 14:21] Saijanai Kuhn: I this to allow you to use the shared memory buffer?
* [2009/10/22 14:21] Merov Linden: they are *just now* surfacing from this issue as well
* [2009/10/22 14:21] Robin Cornelius: Pixel, got the link i posted in IRC ealier?
* [2009/10/22 14:21] Robin Cornelius: or is carjay here?
* [2009/10/22 14:21] Pixel Gausman: 
* [2009/10/22 14:21] Robin Cornelius: \o/
* [2009/10/22 14:21] Robin Cornelius: the saving redist package
* [2009/10/22 14:21] Pixel Gausman: that's a diffferent link, the one with the VS 2005 package
* [2009/10/22 14:22] Merov Linden: they did it by recompiling all 3rd party libs using the new CRT and making everything clean that way
* [2009/10/22 14:22] Merov Linden: nice
* [2009/10/22 14:22] Merov Linden: but, they did 2 things that are breaking Snowglobe <sigh>
* [2009/10/22 14:22] Merov Linden: 1- they didn't compile cares and curl with the USE_CARES option
* [2009/10/22 14:23] Merov Linden: so the old curl crash (SOW-2) was back
* [2009/10/22 14:23] Thickbrick Sleaford: oh
* [2009/10/22 14:23] Pixel Gausman: SOW-2, like that freudian slip
* [2009/10/22 14:23] Merov Linden: 2- they took advantage of that to update some libs to more recent version
* [2009/10/22 14:23] Merov Linden: in particular they updated boost from 1.34.1 to 1.39
* [2009/10/22 14:23] Robin Cornelius: Merov, i've got a trunk build in a win32 exe that is working well
* [2009/10/22 14:23] Robin Cornelius: in an installer should say
* [2009/10/22 14:24] Merov Linden: that required quite a bit of clean up in boost::signal
* [2009/10/22 14:24] Rob Linden: Robin: you compile libs from source?
* [2009/10/22 14:24] Rob Linden: (on windows?)
* [2009/10/22 14:24] Techwolf Lupindo: Merov, thats SNOW-312, boost version.
* [2009/10/22 14:24] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-312: 
* [#SNOW-312] has boost: 1.34 packaged, but llmedia requires boost 1.39
* [2009/10/22 14:24] Robin Cornelius: no not this time,
* [2009/10/22 14:24] Robin Cornelius: i'v done itbefore
* [2009/10/22 14:24] Merov Linden: I tried to pry that from their bode base but that's too untangled in the rest of the viewer code
* [2009/10/22 14:25] Merov Linden: Techwolf: yes
* [2009/10/22 14:25] Merov Linden: so, I've been trying to rebuilt 1.34.1 with 4053
* [2009/10/22 14:26] Merov Linden: right now, I've still errors when executing though it seems that evrything is compiled with this CRT
* [2009/10/22 14:26] Geneko Nemeth: Sigh... for a moment I thought we'll finally be getting rid of Boost 1.34.
* [2009/10/22 14:26] Merov Linden: something is pulling a dependency on the old 762 CRT
* [2009/10/22 14:26] Robin Cornelius: have you still got the .config file?
* [2009/10/22 14:26] Robin Cornelius: its causing issues
* [2009/10/22 14:26] Rob Linden: I don't recall...what were the problems with Boost 1.39?
* [2009/10/22 14:27] Merov Linden: yes, Ive the config file and it's referencing the new CRT
* [2009/10/22 14:27] Robin Cornelius: hmm, i've had to kill the snowglobe-exe.config to get it to work
* [2009/10/22 14:27] Merov Linden: Robin: interesting...
* [2009/10/22 14:28] Rob Linden: Robin: oh! of course!
* [2009/10/22 14:28] Robin Cornelius: I've gotan installer that someone could test if they liked but it does have some experimental code
* [2009/10/22 14:28] Merov Linden: Robin: I could test that if you don't mind
* [2009/10/22 14:28] Robin Cornelius: would be good to know if it does work ok, i built it for Logan
* [2009/10/22 14:28] Rob Linden: that config file probably points to an older version of the CRT
* [2009/10/22 14:29] Merov Linden: Rob: I checked that config file and it points to the new CRT
* [2009/10/22 14:29] Merov Linden: that's really weird
* [2009/10/22 14:29] Robin Cornelius: yes it does, but its breaking stuff too, i do't kno why
* [2009/10/22 14:29] Merov Linden: <sigh/>
* [2009/10/22 14:30] Skee jetpack: (X-Flight): Please type 'X help' for more help with commands
* [2009/10/22 14:30] Rob Linden: "oh....we re supposed to sacrifice a CHICKEN.....well, "
* [2009/10/22 14:30] Merov Linden: Robin: if you don't mind me trying that installer of yours, I'd be happy to test it
* [2009/10/22 14:30] Merov Linden: begs Robin
* [2009/10/22 14:31] Bronson Blackadder: heh
* [2009/10/22 14:31] Merov Linden: well, that's the status of 272
* [2009/10/22 14:31] Merov Linden: not brilliant... and pretty darn frustrating...
* [2009/10/22 14:32] Rob Linden: I think most if not all of us understand DLL hell, so we feel your pain, Merov
* [2009/10/22 14:32] Rob Linden: anyway, onward to SNOW-311
* [2009/10/22 14:32] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-311: 
* [#SNOW-311] OS X: version 1.1.2.2584 version string is incorrect
* [2009/10/22 14:33] Rob Linden: is anyone running Snowglobe 1.1.3 right now?
* [2009/10/22 14:33] Rob Linden: (or for that matter, 1.1.2)?
* [2009/10/22 14:33] Ann Otoole: Snowglobe 1.1.3 (2906) Oct 16 2009 11:21:13 (Snowglobe Release)
* [2009/10/22 14:33] Rob Linden: on Mac?
* [2009/10/22 14:33] Rob Linden: (sorry, should have asked that in the first place)
* [2009/10/22 14:33] Ann Otoole: on vista 64 here
* [2009/10/22 14:34] Rob Linden: It looks like my copy of Snowglobe 1.2 has the right viewer version string (and I'm on Mac right now)
* [2009/10/22 14:34] Rob Linden: so, maybe this is a "can't repro"....
* [2009/10/22 14:35] Hyang Zhao: have one more question about macos snowglobe build
* [2009/10/22 14:35] Rob Linden: Hyang: what's that
* [2009/10/22 14:35] Rob Linden: ?
* [2009/10/22 14:35] Hyang Zhao: is it possible to build it with openal sonehow?
* [2009/10/22 14:35] Hyang Zhao: problem is, openal soft package has only headers
* [2009/10/22 14:35] Rob Linden: Hyang, yeah, it's a compile-time option, so in theory yes.
* [2009/10/22 14:36] Aimee Trescothick: the 1.2 I built earlier today has 1.2.0.0 when checking with get info
* [2009/10/22 14:36] Rob Linden: Aimee....that's probably going to be true
* [2009/10/22 14:37] Rob Linden: for your own builds unless you change the info
* [2009/10/22 14:37] Aimee Trescothick: is the plist updated automatically or manually?
* [2009/10/22 14:37] Hyang Zhao: linking failing on finish because it cant find libopenal.dylib
* [2009/10/22 14:37] Hyang Zhao: well, package dont have this library, so it sure will fail
* [2009/10/22 14:37] Rob Linden: Aimee: it's updated automatically at build time on our build machines, but the command we use isn't in the tree
* [2009/10/22 14:37] Hyang Zhao: 
* [2009/10/22 14:38] Aimee Trescothick: ah right
* [2009/10/22 14:38] Rob Linden: ...but the script we use is checked in
* [2009/10/22 14:38] Rob Linden: scripts/update_version_strings.py or something like that
* [2009/10/22 14:39] Rob Linden: let's move on. next up: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-297
* [2009/10/22 14:39] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-297|JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-297]]: 
* [2009/10/22 14:40] Rob Linden: I've neglected to send mail about this one, but it's pretty important we get this one fixed. anyone want to take a look?
* [2009/10/22 14:40] Rob Linden: don't try reproing until after this meeting ;-)
* [2009/10/22 14:40] Ardy Lay: Hehe
* [2009/10/22 14:40] Thickbrick Sleaford: IIRC there was a similar MOZ issue
* [2009/10/22 14:40] Aimee Trescothick: or with an alt :)
* [2009/10/22 14:41] Rob Linden: I don't care if the viewer crashes trying to find your profile, but when it's MY profile we're talking about here.... :)
* [2009/10/22 14:41] Merov Linden: is that a 1.2 regression?
* [2009/10/22 14:41] Thickbrick Sleaford: might be related: 
* [2009/10/22 14:41] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#MOZ-25|JIRA-helper: [#MOZ-25]]: 
* [2009/10/22 14:41] Rob Linden: Merov: yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. I suspect it's webkit related
* [2009/10/22 14:41] Merov Linden: ah...
* [2009/10/22 14:42] Aimee Trescothick: SNOW-297 doesn't repro for me
* [2009/10/22 14:42] Rob Linden: Thickbrick: good call
* [2009/10/22 14:42] Rob Linden: Aimee: I wonder if it's Windows only
* [2009/10/22 14:42] Ann Otoole: no repro on SNOW-297 here
* [2009/10/22 14:42] Hyang Zhao: hi Jacek 
* [2009/10/22 14:42] Jacek Antonelli: waves
* [2009/10/22 14:42] Aimee Trescothick: quite possible
* [2009/10/22 14:42] Ann Otoole: so it isn't happening on vist 64
* [2009/10/22 14:42] Ann Otoole: *vista
* [2009/10/22 14:43] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Fine for me on 32-bit Ubuntu.
* [2009/10/22 14:43] Thickbrick Sleaford: attempts to repro on linux32
* [2009/10/22 14:43] Rob Linden: weird...
* [2009/10/22 14:43] Thickbrick Sleaford: works ok here (linux 32)
* [2009/10/22 14:44] Rob Linden: I wonder if it really is specific to my profile....
* [2009/10/22 14:44] Rob Linden: for example, I might have put an https: web url in there
* [2009/10/22 14:44] Aimee Trescothick: that was with your profile
* [2009/10/22 14:44] Robin Cornelius: Hmm the webkit plugin crashed when opening a profile
* [2009/10/22 14:44] Thickbrick Sleaford: it looks like the html elements are overlapping, though
* [2009/10/22 14:45] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Yeah I tested the profile mentioned in the JIRA Thickbrick posted and it was fine for me.
* [2009/10/22 14:45] Rob Linden: ok...well, I'll have to maybe try to repro more later
* [2009/10/22 14:45] Ghosty Kips: Calum's opened just fine for me. SG 1.23.5 (136262) on XP sp3
* [2009/10/22 14:45] Rob Linden: maybe not a showstopper if it's not an easy repro
* [2009/10/22 14:46] Ardy Lay: Repro fails for me now but suceeded when that was posted.
* [2009/10/22 14:46] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: must search for the JIRA regarding voice constantly reconnecting.
* [2009/10/22 14:46] Rob Linden: ah...the plot thickens
* [2009/10/22 14:46] Ghosty Kips: rob's, ditto. no issue here
* [2009/10/22 14:46] Rob Linden: ok...let's move on
* [2009/10/22 14:47] Rob Linden: we discussed SNOW-312 already
* [2009/10/22 14:47] Rob Linden: next up: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-307
* [2009/10/22 14:47] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-307|JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-307]]: 
* [2009/10/22 14:47] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: o_o
* [2009/10/22 14:47] Merov Linden: evil...
* [2009/10/22 14:47] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: It does?
* [2009/10/22 14:47] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: lol
* [2009/10/22 14:47] Pixel Gausman: how rude!
* [2009/10/22 14:48] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Renaming anything to quicktime is asking for it.
* [2009/10/22 14:48] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: hushes up.
* [2009/10/22 14:49] Rob Linden: yeah, ok, we've just gotta fix that
* [2009/10/22 14:49] Aimee Trescothick: Apple will sue you for misrepresentation lol
* [2009/10/22 14:49] Hyang Zhao: haha
* [2009/10/22 14:49] Merov Linden: we need platform specific version of mime_types.xml
* [2009/10/22 14:49] Scott Bristol: I think Quicktime is also mentioned in some of the messages the viewer display about troubleshooting audio on Linux
* [2009/10/22 14:49] Merov Linden: or some sort of <platform> key in there
* [2009/10/22 14:50] Aimee Trescothick: plugin priority?
* [2009/10/22 14:50] Merov Linden: and that shouldn't be in the localizable skins in the first place...
* [2009/10/22 14:50] Thickbrick Sleaford: I think the mime type resolution should have soem sort of fallback list
* [2009/10/22 14:50] Aimee Trescothick: if plugin X is available, use that first to handle this, if not, plugin Y?
* [2009/10/22 14:50] Rob Linden: yeah...the quickest solution is to name both quicktime and gstreamer to something neutral
* [2009/10/22 14:51] Melinda Latynina: "good times"?
* [2009/10/22 14:51] Thickbrick Sleaford: eventually, when there are 3rd party plugins, hacing to overwrite mime_types.xml will be bad
* [2009/10/22 14:51] Rob Linden: the next idea is the per platform xml, which is what I'm leaning toward as a short term solution
* [2009/10/22 14:51] Aimee Trescothick: you're bound to get two plugins that want to fight it out over a particular media type in future at some point :D
* [2009/10/22 14:51] Merov Linden: Thickbrick : +10!
* [2009/10/22 14:52] Merov Linden: yeah, we'll need something as there is in browser (for the same reason)
* [2009/10/22 14:52] Thickbrick Sleaford: distibutes +9 around and keeps +1
* [2009/10/22 14:52] Rob Linden: the more elaborate (and probably correct) solutions are having plugins declare what they support (with heuristic for choosing which one to use), and some sort of platform tag in the xml
* [2009/10/22 14:52] Aimee Trescothick: maybe some sort of override scheme, like we have for skins
* [2009/10/22 14:53] Geneko Nemeth: No, one day you'll run into old versions overriding new versions.
* [2009/10/22 14:53] Melinda Latynina: before prematurely designing, how about simply issuing a wrning and using either the 1st or last one?
* [2009/10/22 14:53] Geneko Nemeth: (XUIDelta-based translator workflow is such a headache...)
* [2009/10/22 14:53] Rob Linden: anyway, for Snowglobe 1.2, the best thing is to probably check in mime-types_win.xml, mime-types_mac.xml, and mime-types_linux.xml, and then make viewer_manifest.py copy the right one in place
* [2009/10/22 14:54] Merov Linden: you're probably right Rob
* [2009/10/22 14:54] Rob Linden: that's a fairly easy patch to work up....any volunteers?
* [2009/10/22 14:54] Merov Linden: it's cleaner than renaming gstreamer for sure
* [2009/10/22 14:54] Rob Linden: anyone, anyone....Bueller?
* [2009/10/22 14:55] Rob Linden: oh well
* [2009/10/22 14:55] Thickbrick Sleaford: heh
* [2009/10/22 14:55] Rob Linden: no prob....we'll figure it out before we ship
* [2009/10/22 14:55] Rob Linden: let's move on
* [2009/10/22 14:55] Rob Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-301
* [2009/10/22 14:55] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-301|JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-301]]: 
* [2009/10/22 14:55] Thickbrick Sleaford: for a long-term solution: have each plugin add a plugin_name_mime_types.xml, and have the built-in plugin take higher priority than 3rd party
* [2009/10/22 14:56] Thickbrick Sleaford: I thought -301 was goign to wait until the next merge
* [2009/10/22 14:56] Merov Linden: yes, it should be 1.3 Rob
* [2009/10/22 14:57] Rob Linden: ah, you're right
* [2009/10/22 14:57] Merov Linden: I mean: that's a serious chunk of merge!
* [2009/10/22 14:57] Merov Linden: collapses...
* [2009/10/22 14:57] Rob Linden: lol
* [2009/10/22 14:57] Melinda Latynina: lol
* [2009/10/22 14:57] Pixel Gausman: Merov: come on, u know u love it
* [2009/10/22 14:57] Rob Linden: I misread it
* [2009/10/22 14:57] Thickbrick Sleaford: but it's seriously cool to browse the web on a prim
* [2009/10/22 14:57] Rob Linden: moving on: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-287
* [2009/10/22 14:57] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-287|JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-287]]: 
* [2009/10/22 14:58] Robin Cornelius: I've done nothing on this apart from the quick hack
* [2009/10/22 14:58] Merov Linden: I woke up with a muscle pain the other night iand in my commatose state of consciouness, I attributed it to having merged the wrong file
* [2009/10/22 14:58] Merov Linden: true story
* [2009/10/22 14:59] Thickbrick Sleaford: eeep
* [2009/10/22 14:59] Rob Linden: should we put that off until 1.3?
* [2009/10/22 14:59] Ardy Lay: I think so
* [2009/10/22 14:59] Robin Cornelius: it can just linger as a patch untill its fully fixed
* [2009/10/22 15:00] Robin Cornelius: 64bit users are building from source anyway
* [2009/10/22 15:00] Rob Linden: sounds good, we'll punt it to 1.3 for now
* [2009/10/22 15:00] Ardy Lay: Yes
* [2009/10/22 15:00] Aimee Trescothick: if only merging made programmers as much profit as it does for corporate lawyers
* [2009/10/22 15:00] Rob Linden: next up: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-245
* [2009/10/22 15:00] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-245|JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-245]]: 
* [2009/10/22 15:00] Bronson Blackadder: oh god
* [2009/10/22 15:00] Rob Linden: Aimee: heh
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Name Pinger: Listening for "ardy" - Click to disable.
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: I've never seen that before. o.o
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Psi Merlin: Hello everyone
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Rob Linden: looks at the clock and realizes we've run out of time
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Ann Otoole: never observed that
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Moon Metty: hi Psi :)
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Ann Otoole: FYI: T Linden to speak live at the Web 2.0 Conference at 3:10 SLT. Must register at to view.
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Opensource Obscure: EHLO
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Moon Metty: hi!
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Twisted Laws: hi
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: I'll be long asleep by that time.
* [2009/10/22 15:01] Holger Gilruth: moin
* [2009/10/22 15:02] Rob Linden: alright....well thanks everyone for coming today!