Doc Team/2009-07-08

== Transcript ==
*Youri Ashton: hey kate!
*Kate Linden: Hi Youri :)
*Youri Ashton: hi jeremy :)
*WidgetHUD v1.2 (Mono): Youri Ashton has pinged you.
*Jeremy Linden: Hello!
*Youri Ashton: didnt even notice you there!
*Youri Ashton: (distracted by tv) :p
*Jeremy Linden: I wasn't here until seconds ago :-)
*Daniel Voyager: hey Jeremy
*WidgetHUD v1.2 (Mono): Daniel Voyager has pinged you.
*Jeremy Linden: Hello!
*Daniel Voyager: hey Kate :)
*Bardiel Nubalo: hello :)
*Kate Linden: Hey Daniel!
*Youri Ashton: hello torley!
*Torley Linden: OHAI
*Daniel Voyager: oops in Kates chair lol
*Oliver Szondi: Hiyas peeps :D
*Torley Linden: friendly greetings all!
*Youri Ashton: nice avi! very colorfull!
*Torley Linden: hey glad you could make it Bardiel after seein ya on Here!
*Kate Linden: You can sit there Daniel. I rezzed another chair :)
*Oliver Szondi: rezzin hehe
*Daniel Voyager: :)
*Bardiel Nubalo: i'm glad to be here, thanks for inviting me :)
*Oliver Szondi: ill sit on the side of it :D
*Daniel Voyager: lol
*Squirrel Wood: Hello Torley!
*Qie Niangao: Greetings, everybody. :)
*Youri Ashton: hey jon!
*Jon Linden: greetings!
*Oliver Szondi accepted your inventory offer.
*Oliver Szondi gave you Oliver Szondi DJ Bear 2009.
*Bardiel Nubalo: wow, a Jello avatar
*Oliver Szondi: yay the green jello!
*Bardiel Nubalo: that's pretty wild!
*Oliver Szondi: XD
*Jon Linden: favorite avatar ever
*Torley Linden: JONJELLO HAS RETURNED
*Torley Linden: (and there was much rejoicing)
*Squirrel Wood: jellophile!
*Oliver Szondi: attack of the jello?
*Oliver Szondi: ooooh nice av Torley!
*Youri Ashton: i got some wonderfull news! i just been tlaking to Philip Linden about adding new features that should help out people with disabilities, he told me to get a list with things that were needed. So I am working now on a meeting with the Hellen Keller Day team so we can get a list ready that i can email to Philip!
*Kate Linden: Awesome Youri!
*Youri Ashton: just a small announcement, still working on details :p )
*Squirrel Wood: Woot!
*Youri Ashton: everyone is ofcourse invited to come to the meeting!
*Bardiel Nubalo: i'm curious, will there be a brief Q&A session for non Lindens?
*Jon Linden: at youri's meeting, bardiel?
*Squirrel Wood: /ao off
*Bardiel Nubalo: it's my first time attending one of these
*Bardiel Nubalo: sorry :)
*Jon Linden: oh, heh
*Jon Linden: welcome!
*Kate Linden: Welcome to our Office Hour Bardiel
*Jon Linden: you're at the Documentation Team's office hour
*Jon Linden: we're here to answer any questions you've got about things like the Second Life Knowledge Base or wiki, or our Tips 'n' Tricks blog
*Qie Niangao: Torley, not sure if you saw my offline about that multi-lingual SL6B exhibit that shows different translations of the wiki to different viewer language preferences simultaneously. Dunno if that's old-hat, but I was pleased with myself when I came up with it, so thought I'd mention it again.
*Jon Linden: or to find out where oliver got his avatar
*Torley Linden: glad to hear that progress Youri. i do wonder if some of them can be added in the wild faster via Snowglobe.
*Torley Linden: Qie, no i haven't, SLURL please? that sounds very clever and of interest to all of us Doc Teamers!
*Torley Linden: (as a side note please always use the Web tab of my profile to contact me, i hardly ever see my IMs, online or offline)
*Qie Niangao: it's under the big green "a" at the top of the SL6B sims... in SL6B Quantum.
*Squirrel Wood: Things are pretty quiet here today....
*Oliver Szondi: hmmm indeed.
*Paddy Wright: should I make some noise?
*Oliver Szondi: hows the KB2WIKI project?
*Jon Linden: (seriously, oliver, where'd you get that avatar)
*Youri Ashton: i sure hope it gets added soon as well torley!
*Qie Niangao: (must be something like http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Quantum/155/183/23)
*Oliver Szondi: :D its a freebie Jon XD
*Jon Linden: even better
*Ellla McMahon: Youri, as well as emailing Philip, post the feature requests as individual pJIRA issues and link them to a Meta
*Youri Ashton: a lot of people will have great uses for those new features!
*Oliver Szondi: one mo ill send ya it :)))
*Youri Ashton: I sure will Ella!
*Squirrel Wood: yup. pjira issues are important
*Youri Ashton: griefer attack
*Youri Ashton: lol
*Youri Ashton: help island?
*Youri Ashton: Waxx Actor
*Kate Linden: KB2Wiki project is going well on our end. I'd love to have feedback from all of you.
*Youri Ashton: he is one of the 2?
*Youri Ashton: only one
*Torley Linden: we always welcome more Resident contributors to improve our help content!
*Torley Linden: we have 5 Reviewers at the moment, including Daniel Voyager who is here :) http://tr.im/kb2wiki
*Oliver Szondi: whoo!
*Oliver Szondi: :D
*Daniel Voyager: *smiles* :)
*Kate Linden: Youri have you been able to utilize the KB articles on the wiki to create something inworld that uses those links?
*Oliver Szondi: and its dan's 200th day on the MG :D
*Torley Linden: yeahhh he told me that earlier, way to go!
*Kate Linden: yes, great blog post for your 200th day, Daniel!
*Youri Ashton: i havnt had the time unfortunately, i did takea quick look however
*Youri Ashton: to many RL things came up :(
*Oliver Szondi: :D
*Kate Linden: There is probably a week or so to check out the pilot articles. :)
*Oliver Szondi: if i could help torley i would...i just dont know what im good at xd
*Youri Ashton: send me the links over im, then ill work on them starting of tomorrow :)
*Oliver Szondi: Most of my stuff is web html related. :)
*Daniel Voyager: Hey Marianne
*Squirrel Wood: idea for kb article (if its not covered yet) - VAT for different countries and when and where it applies ?
*Kate Linden: Oliver, even handing out KB article links from the wiki to new Residents is helpful. It gives a chance to learn if that is easier for you than Parature links etc.
*Marianne McCann: Hiya
*Qie Niangao: Hi, Mari. :)
*Paddy Wright: Hi Marianne
*Oliver Szondi: the one thing i could give infomation about is
*Oliver Szondi: i recently paid visit to a new island thats opening up soon
*Oliver Szondi: theres a bot there that can find wiki infomation.
*Jon Linden: kb 4592
*Jon Linden: kb-4592
*WidgetHUD v1.2 (Mono): http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=4592
*Kate Linden: oh nice. Is the bot available to Residents seeking help?
*Ellla McMahon: definitely Kate .. yes its going to be easier .. one c&p not an editing of an URL link
*Oliver Szondi: omg
*Jon Linden: squirrel, we have a VAT FAQ in the KB already
*Oliver Szondi: jon where can i get one of em from?
*Jon Linden: one of what?
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*Oliver Szondi: them kb huds?
*Oliver Szondi: :)
*Jon Linden: it's not mine!
*Oliver Szondi: Uh Oh lol!
*Marianne McCann: Ooh, bouncing particle grief... how nostalgic
*Oliver Szondi: oh lord.
*Daniel Voyager: oh no
*Bardiel Nubalo: wow
*Marianne McCann: Objecty b1 1, owned by Waxx Actor
*Oliver Szondi: report sent
*Thunderclap Morgridge: so what is going on now?
*Jeremy Linden sighs.
*Bardiel Nubalo: can that be turned off?
*Oliver Szondi: the wonders of expression may never be discovered if people do bad stuff like that.
*Oliver Szondi: hey wb torley :))
*Torley Linden: Sardonyx... new what? He's been blogging updates about group chat progress :)
*Imnotgoing Sideways: I like Ordina's inworld Twitter tool. =^-^=
*Oliver Szondi: oooh
*Marianne McCann: Hey Immy
*Thunderclap Morgridge: so do i
*Imnotgoing Sideways: Konnichiwa <Hi> (^_^)
*Jon Linden: welcome to Doc Team office hours!
*Paddy Wright: thats great Marianne but our sandbox group is 700 new residents
*Bardiel Nubalo: konbanwa :)
*Thunderclap Morgridge: well
*Oliver Szondi: i thought Sardonyx Linden was the replacement for prospecro?
*Dawny Daviau: hello all
*Oliver Szondi: ooh
*Oliver Szondi: seems not :)
*Paddy Wright: Hi Dawny:)
*Oliver Szondi: hehe.
*Squirrel Wood: .. i think i died long ago and you two are my eternal punishment
*Oliver Szondi: soz :)
*Hercules Zerbino: is this a twitter gathering? :)
*Thunderclap Morgridge: bye folks I always enjoy iy
*Marianne McCann: Paddy - I do a lot of promotions work through groups too. With the bugs, it's pretty much directly affecting my stuff in here
*Paddy Wright: yep:(
*Imnotgoing Sideways: It just may be... Danny's Tweet brought me here. (^_^)
*Torley Linden: i like it when peeps hear about us from Twitter :)
*Oliver Szondi: :D
*Daniel Voyager: twitter rocks :D hehe
*Qie Niangao: ((Oops... RL calls. Have fun everybody.))
*Oliver Szondi: im currently trying to make somthing twitter like but for online worlds :D
*Oliver Szondi: but thats a differnt story
*Kate Linden: KB article tweets, Oliver? lol
*Oliver Szondi: dang.
*Oliver Szondi: sorry
*Oliver Szondi: :)
*Kate Linden: lol
*Imnotgoing Sideways: There are a few Lab Tweets, I've seen.. Is there a list somewhere? (^_^)
*Torley Linden: there is no single list of Twittering Lindens.
*Torley Linden: some LL employees use Twitter for more personal stuff and they haven't sent up a special Linden account
*Paddy Wright: its nice when its personal
*Daniel Voyager: I've some here > http://www.netvibes.com/danielvoyager#SL_Twitter
*Daniel Voyager: lol
*Imnotgoing Sideways: Hmmm.. Not just Lindens though... I'll have to look for the names again... Like Grid status and stuff like that. (^_^)
*Torley Linden: main current ones include @secondlife @slgridstatus @workinginworld
*Kate Linden: My Twitter info is in my profile
*Youri Ashton: i dont even use twitter :p
*Dawny Daviau: I enjoy your tweets Torley, made me many times laugh ;)
*Oliver Szondi: i love twitter.
*Torley Linden: use whatever tools serve you well.
*Marianne McCann: I much prefer @SecondLie
*Daniel Voyager: http://www.netvibes.com/danielvoyager#SL > added grid status stuff :D
*Marianne McCann snickers
*moo Money: I like Plurk, and agree with Marianne about @SecondLie
*Youri Ashton: i dont go with the latest trents, i rather go my own way :)
*Oliver Szondi: http://www.twitter.com/oliverszondi
*Oliver Szondi: :D
*Torley Linden: thanks Dawny, i tend to note a lot of creative happenings on there, so if you follow you can see the connections and inspiration that lead to certain actions :)
*Imnotgoing Sideways: I just started to use Twitter because, well, I need to keep an eye on people keeping an eye on me. (=_=)
*Hercules Zerbino: I have only been here a few minutes and already useful information is flooding :)
*Daniel Voyager: http://www.netvibes.com/danielvoyager#SL_Twitter
*Dawny Daviau: Yes I do follow for quite some time now
*Marianne McCann: RL me gets to do the lion's share of the twitter stuff. I mostly spend time on Plurk
*moo Money: too many people are keeping an eye on me and it's impossible to follow along with it all
*Imnotgoing Sideways giggles.
*moo Money: twitter is too much of a timesink unless I subscribe to RSS of specific tweeters
*Torley Linden: i used Plurk for awhile but it had more options than i needed, plus other communities i'm a part of are Twitter-centric
*Torley Linden: a key question when using any social media network is: "what am i really getting out of it? what good is it doing my lives?" OK, two questions
*Imnotgoing Sideways: Ordinal's HUD seems to work in real time.. If someone tweets, I get a sound and llOwnerSay on the spot. (^_^)
*moo Money: I would like to see something like maybe Ning used for SL stuff
*Marianne McCann: i would like plurk a lot more if it waas not karma based. Also, not a fan of timelines. I do like the threading, though
*moo Money: by the lindens
*moo Money: or facebook
*Stacey Luminos: there are nings for SL
*Dawny Daviau: agree marianne
*moo Money: not by residents, Stacey
*moo Money: by LL
*Stacey Luminos: why LL?
*Oliver Szondi gave you MyPrim opening soon!-friends get in for closed beta :D.
*Torley Linden: there's a Second Life fan page which i believe has our official involvement now on Facebook, it was linked to from the latest promo mailings :)
*Oliver Szondi: has anyone tested the new dash system on the site?
*moo Money: because it's just proper community service
*moo Money: I love the new dash, Oliver
*Oliver Szondi: i <3 the TNT slider
*Oliver Szondi: :D
*Marianne McCann: Torley - interesting, given that Facebook has been so against avatars having FB accounts
*Torley Linden: TNT slider?
*Imnotgoing Sideways: I haven't played with the dash much. (O.o)
*Dawny Daviau: Ive seen it on KLee but not on my account.. yet ;)
*Oliver Szondi: tips and tricks video link system
*Oliver Szondi: :D
*Dawny Daviau: Like it too btw
*Torley Linden: Mari, yeah, and Flickr used to NIPSA Second Life photos. show of course.
*moo Money: community outreach shouldn't just be IN SL, because not everyone knows to go to office hours, and not everyone will fit either
*Imnotgoing Sideways: Yeah.. Facebook wants RL faces only. (T_T)
*Tillie Ariantho: haha, crashed on taking snapshot and now half the avatars stay clouds ...
*Oliver Szondi: i just want to change the background to my own!
*Torley Linden: oh that one Oliver! hehe, yeah, i was surprised to see that (happily), i sent in some usability suggestions... it'll be more customizable in the future
*moo Money: Sideways, that doesn't stop 500 people I don't know from adding me with their SL only accounts
*Torley Linden: er, i meant "SHOW OF FORCE"
*moo Money: I'm kind of sick of it actually
*Marianne McCann: Ya, I remember that Torley. Had to go through a edit all my shots cuz of that NIPSA stuff
*moo Money: but I should still be able to go to their facebook SL fan page and see news and updates
*Daniel Voyager: http://www.netvibes.com/danielvoyager#SL_Video_Tutorials - check this out! :)
*Oliver Szondi: good good.
*Oliver Szondi: i would like the apps to be moveable.
*Torley Linden: it is silly when supposedly innovative services don't acknowledge avatar identities. just as email and websites were once a newfangled thing, i suppose.
*Marianne McCann: Hi Hula
*Oliver Szondi: i did give blue linden all my ideas :D
*moo Money: Torley, they'll come around
*Paddy Wright: I sold blue all mine;)
*moo Money: Facebook didn't acknowledge anyone other than college students until a few years ago
*Torley Linden: moo, and then we'll be laughing in hindsight about it :)
*Torley Linden: "can you believe those outdated attitudes!?!"
*Marianne McCann: An ya, I would love to see some expansion of the "profile" in SL into a more flexible Social networking "page" of sorts. But that's me
*Imnotgoing Sideways: You're not alone. (^_^)
*Torley Linden: yes Mari, that's been sort of a constant hope in varying ways, especially being more web-based... some of it seems eventual.
*moo Money: what was the topic of this meeting btw?
*moo Money: I followed Daniel's SLURL on Plurk
*Paddy Wright: pie?
*Torley Linden: the other day i mentioned i wish i could click hyperlinks in my profile like in text chat
*Jon Linden: heheh
*Imnotgoing Sideways: Why I should be elected Pope. (^_^)
*Jon Linden: this is the Doc Team's office hour, where we typically entertain questions about things like the Knowledge Base and wiki
*Marianne McCann: True - at the same time, I find it silly that we don't 'eat our own dog food" by sending so much content out of the virtual world and back onto the old Web
*Jon Linden: and our TNT blog
*moo Money: the old web won't die anytime soon
*Daniel Voyager: thanks moo :)
*moo Money: and sometimes I like to read about SL stuff outside of SL
*Oliver Szondi: would be nice if we could grab a nice little image like the inSL logo but for "Join me inSL"
*moo Money: without being burdened by IMs or chicken clucking :P
*Jon Linden: oh, that's just creepy
*Oliver Szondi: we could use it to link to our world profiles
*Marianne McCann: No, it won't. But I wish more was done to bring "in' onctent rather than always shipping it out
*Oliver Szondi: and link it via the webpages we have :D
*Marianne McCann: content*
*Bardiel Nubalo: question about SL stuff outside of SL - what's the word about Australia possibly banning SL? is that just a rumor, or is there any truth to it?
*Jon Linden: rumor
*Marianne McCann: rumor, largely debunked
*moo Money: I love the gadgets created to make SL more functional so that less is done outside of SL
*Paddy Wright: If they beat the brits in the ashes can we arrange it Jon?
*Imnotgoing Sideways: Pretty much right up there with CleanFeed though. (>_<)
*moo Money: like Codebastard Redgrave's CalendarCOG HUD
*Bardiel Nubalo: where can i read LL's official statement on that?
*Oliver Szondi: lol @ paddy
*Marianne McCann: The blog, I believe
*Bardiel Nubalo: just so that i can quickly link others to it, if needs be
*Bardiel Nubalo: cool, thanks
*Imnotgoing Sideways: Konnichiwa <Hi> (^_^) Scotts (^_^)
*Bardiel Nubalo: what's the blog's url? :)
*moo Money: oh oh! this is probably totally the wrong department, but why is email news so slow to get to me from the blog posts?
*Scotts Winkler: heya kate
*Marianne McCann: the "solution provider" I work for does a lot with Aussie clients. This was a Very Big Deal for us last week or so
*Torley Linden: Bardiel, we issued one to Solution Providers and there's also http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/06/confirmed.html
*moo Money: like when I got emailed that it was the last day to get a homestead on grandfathered pricing the day after the deadline
*Imnotgoing Sideways eeps. (o.o)
*Scotts Winkler: hey torey
*Torley Linden: moo, this is via the FeedBurner email subscription?
*Torley Linden: yo Scotts
*moo Money: probably?
*moo Money: slow pipes?
*Marianne McCann: SL, Australia, banning: https://blogs.secondlife.com/message/5997#5997
*Kate Linden: Hi Scotts :) Nice to see you.
*Torley Linden: moo, that's because it's sent out daily. the RSS feed is faster.
*Youri Ashton: when i placed my message in the beginning of the meeting, Oliver Szondi sended me a IM. He suggested that the SL wiki should made working for those with disabilities as well. I believe that is a very good suggestion! How does the doc team thing about that?
*Bardiel Nubalo: many thanks, Torley & Marianne :)
*Marianne McCann: You're welcome! :-)
*Torley Linden: Youri, i'd start by editing http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Accessibility and learning MediaWiki, since that's what our wiki is based on.
*Wyn Galbraith: Sorry I tried to sit on you Torley.
*Torley Linden: it's okay, it happens to me all the time! :D
*Wyn Galbraith: Need a timer to tell you when you're rez'd enough
*Torley Linden: Wyn, you could deposit your fruit into Jon's Jello contingent :D
*Oliver Szondi: :D
*Stacey Luminos: snacks :)
*Wyn Galbraith: It's fruit made with Torley Textures ;)
*Stacey Luminos: good way to get more people here
*Oliver Szondi: we need an app that can enlarge text on the wiki
*Torley Linden: OH NICE, i just zoomed in. that's really creative! i didn't notice at first
*Wyn Galbraith: I have my moments.
*Youri Ashton: Torley, I have the link, but thanks! However, blind people do not use a mouse since they do not see the mousepointer, this is one of the examples that could use some attention. perhaps add a working sytem that could help blind people? i'm sure i forget a few other groups that may need extra attention as well
*Torley Linden: Oliver, most browsers do have a zoom in option
*Samantha Poindexter: Well, depending on your browser, enlarging the text should be possible...
*Torley Linden: Youri, it sounds like that extends beyond the wiki.
*moo Money: Youri, I'm guessing you're not a member of the Something Awful forums
*Imnotgoing Sideways: Lawl ^-^
*moo Money: I wish archives/search still worked, but there was a great thread called "Ask me about being blind"
*Squirrel Wood: POKE!!!!
*moo Money: and it answered all the questions like you have here
*Wyn Galbraith: Squirrle you've changed
*moo Money: they have some amazing software that reads them the words at the speed of light
*Torley Linden: hm, moo, if you find that, that'd be a good one to add to the Accessibility wiki compilation
*Squirrel Wood: I have?
*Scotts Winkler accepted your inventory offer.
*Torley Linden: all related info should go on that page t o make it easy to look up in the future
*moo Money: it's at least a year old and probably fallen by the wayside now, but I enjoyed it immensely
*Bardiel Nubalo: speaking of browsers, Safari 4.0.2 update available just a few minutes ago
*moo Money: he even posted a soundclip of the speed he hears the text at
*moo Money: it's insane
*Wyn Galbraith: Haven't seen you in a year
*Squirrel Wood: ^^
*Arawn Spitteler: Hi, Wyn
*Torley Linden: i enjoy hearing about different sensory experiences, it's rather enlightening
*Ellla McMahon: how can I tell what's happened to this page in wiki please http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Statistics_Bar_Guide
*Ellla McMahon: its disappeared !!
*Youri Ashton: Torley: good point, I think I may address parties like Microsoft, Linux, etc. with the same thing. However, those parties are usually not very available during holidays, so that will have to wait till after the summer holiday unfertunetely. in the meanwhile, perhaps we all could get some ideas on paper so to speak during one of the meetings? could be a idea?
*Torley Linden: oh and hey Zai, we've an answer about accidentally reviewed, non-KB pages, i'll post a reply on that KB To Do List page
*Zai Lynch: oohh nice! looking forward to
*Arawn Spitteler: If there's a page on the subject, we should be able to review the history, but if the page has dissappeared altogeather?
*Wyn Galbraith waves at Arawn & tries to catch up.
*Ellla McMahon: the wiki was more up to date than the kb on the same topic
*Alexander9 Carver: hello everyone!
*Dawny Daviau: hiya
*Arawn Spitteler: The KB is more official, so the Wiki is more fluid
*Alexander9 Carver: hi kate
*Zai Lynch: hm... rand should know *looks*
*Imnotgoing Sideways: I'm always worried about trusting the Wiki. (>_<)
*Hercules Zerbino: hello alexander9
*Alexander9 Carver: hello
*Alexander9 Carver: how is everyone today??????
*Imnotgoing Sideways: おっけぇ～！
*Jon Linden: the idea with the KB2Wiki pilot is to establish a group of trusted editor Residents who'll make the KB content that's on the wiki more ... trustable
*Alexander9 Carver: oh hi torley!
*Jon Linden: there's got to be a better word for it
*Jon Linden: reliable!
*Paddy Wright: why is it I get the panda trying to sit on me, and Torley gets Wyn?
*Marianne McCann: Purty good
*Stacey Luminos: reliable
*Alexander9 Carver: 3 lindens are here
*Dawny Daviau: lol
*Jon Linden: we're a dangerous gang, alexander9
*Marianne McCann: /eme counts 4
*Wyn Galbraith: Luck.
*Arawn Spitteler: Only threee? Who's missing?
*Kate Linden: The History is still there Arawn: http://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Statistics_Bar_Guide&action=history
*Samantha Poindexter: Hmm. The last version of that one, before the redirect, is at http://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Statistics_Bar_Guide&oldid=207113 . Looks like Rand got rid of it for some reason.
*Alexander9 Carver: blues missing
*Alexander9 Carver: i like blue linden
*Alexander9 Carver: and other lindens too
*Jon Linden: this is the Doc Team's office hour; blue has, to my knowledge, never been here
*Stacey Luminos: is there a spot to give feedback for the snowglobe viewer?
*Youri Ashton: you should be able to speak with blue in a few hours, he has a meeting today as well
*Hercules Zerbino: i like linden money
*Youri Ashton: IF its not cancelled again
*Jeremy Linden: Blue does sometimes join us at our Teen Second Life office hour.
*Scotts Winkler: gotta love cras hes
*Imnotgoing Sideways: I like any Linden that doesn't ban me on sight. (^_^)
*Ellla McMahon: thank you everyone :))
*moo Money: OH
*Alexander9 Carver: i love blue tg office. i miss it
*Youri Ashton: [13:48] GG Office Hours HUD v1.5: 4:00 PM: Blue Linden: The SL Volunteer Program, New User Experience
* http://slurl.com/secondlife/Grasmere/67/156/23 (Starts in 2 hours 12 minutes)
*Torley Linden: conversation certainly is lively today, that's for sure
*moo Money: I dunno if this has been done, but has anyone posted extensive guides on the wiki about TG assimilation?
*Oliver Szondi: :D
*Wyn Galbraith: on many tangents
*Arawn Spitteler feels the lindens who ban him on sight, are to be complemented on forsight
*Youri Ashton: :)
*Imnotgoing Sideways: XD
*moo Money: Kit Axon was one of the most active TG residents, but when she transferred, she just fell off the grid
*Daniel Voyager: lol
*Stacey Luminos: torley, does this team work on the snow globe documentation?
*moo Money: she stopped logging in so much, didn't know where to go, etfc
*moo Money: *etc
*Stroker Basic whispers: Cock ready
*Wyn Galbraith: I haven't met a Linden didn't like. They might not like me tho
*moo Money: uhh
*moo Money: put that away :<
*Daniel Voyager: moo, me and Alex was too. :D
*Alexander9 Carver: alot of teens are transfering this year
*moo Money: I remember Alex!
*moo Money: does he still log in?
*Oliver Szondi: ooooh so moo ya an ex TG? :D
*Alexander9 Carver: i here
*Jon Linden: moo, you want something like a guide for teens new to the main grid?
*Arawn Spitteler: Can't claim to be 14 for more than four years
*Jon Linden: interesting
*moo Money: I mostly see you, Asuka, and Ryan Dayton log in a lot
*Torley Linden: Stacey, we do not directly
*Jon Linden: it's a good idea; sounds like wiki material
*Oliver Szondi: wonderful :D
*moo Money: yes, Jon
*moo Money: I have access to TG through Global Kids
*Stacey Luminos: thanks torley..
*moo Money: so I know a lot of the teens
*Torley Linden: Snowglobe is documented by the open source community and a small team of engineering Lindens
*moo Money: most don't survive over here upon transfer
*Torley Linden: http://tr.im/snowglobe has more info on that... :)
*Stacey Luminos: thank you :)
*Youri Ashton: Thanks doc team for this wonderfull meeting! Ill be hopping to another meeting in advance so i can relog, think i might need it :)
*Torley Linden: also, because it inevitably comes up, we don't document viewer variations which are done by Residents, or other (open) grids, for that matter. there may be similarities but those are supported by the same people who derive/modify/hack/do awesome things to them.
*Youri Ashton: bye bye everyone!
*Bardiel Nubalo: do TG transferes receive a small allowance/gift of L& for "graduating" to the main grid? (to make their integration a little easier
*Oliver Szondi: hack!?
*Torley Linden: Alexander, you're totally... PANDA STYLE
*Jon Linden: be well youri
*Stacey Luminos: snowglobe is beautiful...
*Torley Linden: thx for coming Youri! rock on!
*moo Money: no
*Torley Linden: Oliver, hack, in the creative, artful sense. not in the malicious sense.
*moo Money: they're tossed into the main grid and sometimes don't land at the transfer station
*Oliver Szondi: ahhh Okies :D
*Marianne McCann is being quiet due to my condition. That codition is a cat in urgent need of petting
*Bardiel Nubalo: forgive the typos,
*Alexander9 Carver: ty torley
*moo Money: Kit landed next to a naked statue
*Oliver Szondi: lolz
*Alexander9 Carver: so many people here
*Torley Linden: i have a big black cat named Sushi, he gets very vocal when he's petted.
*Imnotgoing Sideways: Quickie about the PG/Mature/Adult guidlines FAQ. The Blog points to the KB to get information about Private -vs- Public content.... The KB points to the FAQ.... And the FAQ doesn't address what's private or public content. Is there a clear doc on that yet? (^_^)
*moo Money: I stood at the TG transfer station for a while one day and several naked people showed up, as well as some clothed that were in sex groups
*Oliver Szondi: Oh year.
*Torley Linden: Imny, which blog post specifically? and cite which part? will have a look.
*Alexander9 Carver: i transfered last dec, 31st
*Oliver Szondi: :D
*Ricken Flow: @slofficehours on Twitter is outdated :-(
*Arawn Spitteler: Naked People, without even attachments?
*Oliver Szondi: oooh
*Torley Linden: hm, does anyone know if the age verification station on I-World still works?
*moo Money: I've had my TG account since March 07, so I've met a lot of the teens
*Imnotgoing Sideways: I cheated.. I started a Jira on it >> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1203 (^_^)
*Oliver Szondi: Im not sure torley.
*moo Money: Eye4You Alliance just shut down :(
*Imnotgoing Sideways: I start here https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/land/blog/2009/06/26/zindra-an-update ....
*Kate Linden: Torley, yes it does
*Bardiel Nubalo: and how do you keep adults from entering the Teen Grid? if that happens, it sounds like trouble waiting to happen...
*Imnotgoing Sideways: It points to here http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_content ....
*Imnotgoing Sideways: Then here https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010 ......
*Alexander9 Carver: LL bans adults that are on the tg
*Imnotgoing Sideways: And I hit a dead end. (T_T)
*moo Money: I'm not sure how they find adults that are on TG
*Bardiel Nubalo: but how are adults detected?
*moo Money: I have a thick background check of the previous 10 years of my life
*moo Money: w00t not a felon
*Marianne McCann: Isn't there some pretty stringent chcks on getting into the TG? I know solution providers working there are very carefully vetted, and still held tojust their work location
*Alexander9 Carver: I am a approved adult for educational island over there.
*Bardiel Nubalo: what's stopping a sex offender from creating a teenaged avatar?
*Samantha Poindexter: Oh, that's easy. There are height detector scripts.
*Samantha Poindexter ducks.
*Paddy Wright: they ask them to send a text message in under 10 seconds, if they fial they are an adult
*Kate Linden: Yes, there is an article in the KB, about educators in TSL
*moo Money: hrm sorry I derailed the wiki discussion
*Marianne McCann has recently been lifescanned and checked
*Paddy Wright: *fail
*Wyn Galbraith: Paddy not a good test
*Imnotgoing Sideways: GAH!!! Security call.. I gotta go ban people. (>_<)
*Imnotgoing Sideways says Bai Baii!!! (^_^)y
*Paddy Wright: works for me:)
*moo Money: I got banned from somewhere on MG for being short
*Oliver Szondi: so adult activity's will be accepted if done within mature zone and are kept private.?
*Wyn Galbraith: who do you think taught my kids to type?
*Oliver Szondi: im still puzzeled over all this adult stuff
*Torley Linden: Imny, thanks for reporting that. i think we could ask to communicate better. but i don't think we'd have the granularity you request because it tends to result in rules lawyering. hence the parts in the ToS about "at Linden Lab's sole discretion"
*Oliver Szondi: i read the blogs
*Scotts Winkler: you goijng imnotgoing :) tc good seing you
*Arawn Spitteler doen't care how old he is: I got a notice of ejection, but nothing happened, in Nieun
*Oliver Szondi: and still im runing up and down the stairs :D
*Torley Linden: it is always a tough thing: guidelines and rules to be clear enough for those who are reasonable, but there are always a few who want to argue pedantically or find ways to cause others trouble based on what's established.
*Paddy Wright: agreed Torley
*Paddy Wright: rules create exceptions for exploit
*Scotts Winkler: here here torey, agree to that
*moo Money: I'm not arguing for or against TG stuff right now. I just think it might be helpful to prepare the TGers for their transfer via wiki or otherwise.
*moo Money: Arwyn Quandary? is transferring in a few weeks
*Wyn Galbraith: As soon as the brain hears 'rules' it automatically tries to think of ways around them.
*Samantha Poindexter nods.
*Marianne McCann: Quandry
*Arawn Spitteler: The tough part, is keeping teens off the mature grid. The simple solution is Age verifications, where anyone concerned with his age is counted a teen
*moo Money: heh
*Oliver Szondi: im still wondering tho....about the adult content stuff....but hey the TG secuity is tight and thats good!.
*moo Money: I know at least 10 teens on MG
*Kate Linden: Before we wrap up this meeting, if anyone wants to join the Second Life Documentation group, please send an IM. We are also using this group as a communication option during the KB2Wiki pilot. We'd love feedback whether you've edited articles, reviewed them, shared links inworld , created content. You get the idea :)
*moo Money: they won't say it to me in chat
*Scotts Winkler: well isn't teen and adult grid merging
*Marianne McCann: I sure how to see her transfer go well, too, moo
*moo Money: I reported the first one and nothing was done
*Wyn Galbraith: Putting the adult content on in it's own place is a start.
*Paddy Wright: most teens are more mature than us adults...on occasions;)
*Samantha Poindexter: ...mind you, it would help if the SL website weren't convinced that Adult land is PG...
*moo Money: we get Brooke Barmy transferring this month
*moo Money: Lucky Figtree next
*Paddy Wright: are they TG celebs Moo?
*Torley Linden: great way to put it Kate :D
*Arawn Spitteler's horrified, that Moo can list al the teens reaching a particular birthday
*Alexander9 Carver: i disagree with u paddy, Teens on the tg would go crazy and start playing with sex beds on PG rated land
*moo Money: yes
*Jon Linden: folks, i have to run -- moo, please do run with the notion of some kind of "intro to the MG" page on the pwiki, it sounds like a promising idea
*Torley Linden: thanks each and all for being with us at our discussiontastic office hours! for more info about our Documentation Team, see http://tr.im/docteam :)
*moo Money: because I know them, Arawn
*Marianne McCann: Have fun, everybuggy!
*Jon Linden: be well!
*Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
*moo Money: I've actually met them IRL during SLCC 07 when I ran the machinima track, Arawn
*Alexander9 Carver: bye
*Paddy Wright: Bye
*Samantha Poindexter waves.
*Wyn Galbraith: Thanks Torleyet al
*Bardiel Nubalo: what exactly distinguises "Mature" from "Adult"? they seem reasonably similar to most people..
*moo Money: will do, Jon
*Oliver Szondi: :)
*moo Money: Paddy, Brooke makes a lot of furniture over there
*Kate Linden: Nice to see everyone this week.
*Wyn Galbraith: mature is a state of being , adult is age... one can be an adult & not mature.
*moo Money: he's a big deal furniture maker/builder
*Paddy Wright: how wonderful!
*Oliver Szondi: glad to see you Kate :))
*Wyn Galbraith: One can be mature & not be an adult as well.
*Bardiel Nubalo: Wyn, i mean in terms of region rating
*Torley Linden: bye bye everyone for now!
*moo Money: Lucky is an activist for the TG merger, best friend to Kit Axon, and bigtime socialite
*Alexander9 Carver: brooke iss great builder on tg
*Jeremy Linden: An overview of all the maturity ratings: http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010
*Zai Lynch: cu =)
*Scotts Winkler: see ya torley
*Paddy Wright: Nite Torley...keep smiling:))
*Arawn Spitteler: We can't even distinguish porn, from a thanksgiving dinner
*Hercules Zerbino: bye torley
*Alexander9 Carver: bye torley
*Bardiel Nubalo: thanks Jeremy :)
*WidgetHUD v1.2 (Mono): Bardiel Nubalo has pinged you.
*moo Money: would any of the former teens like to get with me to discuss how better to integrate transfers in?
*Kate Linden: Have a great week. See you Friday or Wednesday!
*Daniel Voyager: sure, Moo.
*Jeremy Linden: Cutting here for the transcript...
*Alexander9 Carver: sure moo
*Oliver Szondi: well im off :)
*Oliver Szondi: take care all
*Oliver Szondi waves
*Scotts Winkler: sorry off topic, kate you still holding your office hours
*Paddy Wright: moo, I have to run soon...euro hours blah blah, but can I catch up with you later about ten intergration?
*Paddy Wright: *teen
*Wyn Galbraith: B-bye!!! :D
*moo Money: yes
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