Community Translation Project/Office Hours/2009 08 25

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[13:02]	:	ello :)
[13:02]	:	oh yuss :-)
[13:02]	:	awww thats nice Lisa!!
[13:02]	:	hi Youri
[13:02]	:	:)
[13:03]	:	TY Lisa
[13:03]	:	lemme rezz
[13:03]	:	Just made them. Feel free to take some bracelets :)
[13:03]	:	Thanks Lisa ㋡
[13:03]	:	hi all
[13:03]	:	thanks for the forceport btw lexie :)
[13:03]	:	Hi Dawny ㋡
[13:03]	:	yw lol
[13:03]	:	thanks
[13:03]	:	why does Youri get tortured and we don´t?
[13:04]	:	haha
[13:04]	:	cuz i asked 4 it :p
[13:04]	:	darn
[13:04]	:	WAVES !
[13:04]	:	hi Slatan
[13:04]	:	He didnt say where..I could have dropped him in the water :p
[13:04]	 	waves back
[13:04]	:	Hi Slatan
[13:04]	:	thanks Lisa :)
[13:04]	:	hi Lexie
[13:05]	:	lots of people today i see :)
[13:05]	:	mp
[13:05]	:	ok, Let's jump in : ))
[13:05]	:	Hi Ourasi ㋡
[13:05]	:	hi Ourasi
[13:05]	:	We talked a bit about CT logo for group last week. Did anyone bring examples this week?
[13:06]	:	I meant to send a reminder on it and didn't : (
[13:06]	:	salut ourasi ㋡
[13:06]	:	sorry lexie, i am no texture artist, nor did i had much time last week
[13:06]	:	ok
[13:06]	:	errr... it's still on my to-do list ^^
[13:06]	:	neither me
[13:06]	:	just back today from vacation :)
[13:06]	:	pssst Yann, your plug is showing :)
[13:07]	:	I will send a reminder start of next week. I will be gone the rest of this week.
[13:07]	:	★ HELLO ★ BONJOUR ★ HOLA ★ BUONGIORNO ★ GUTEN TAG ★
[13:07]	:	It will be fun to see what people come up with : )
[13:07]	:	hi Ouriasi
[13:07]	:	hi Ourasi
[13:07]	:	Nice gesture lol
[13:07]	:	hi ourasi :)
[13:07]	:	coucou Oura :)
[13:07]	:	I am a bad drawer: paralell lines is the best I can do
[13:07]	:	: ))
[13:08]	:	Poiz Poiz Sam :)
[13:08]	:	nice gesture indeed, saying hello in multiple languages :D
[13:08]	 	(Q-Translator pl->en): Poiz Poiz Sam:)
[13:08]	:	wow... you can do paralell lines! me no...
[13:08]	:	did you make that one?
[13:08]	:	Even if you just have ideas and cant actually design it. Someone else might want to try to make it.
[13:08]	:	Next is...
[13:08]	:	Who do you know?
[13:09]	:	a dictionary with many flags?
[13:09]	:	That means - Who do you hang out with or know that could be a good addition to the community translation projects?
[13:09]	:	Let me know who they are and I can give them a "poke" ㋡
[13:09]	:	I think many still do not know about the projects
[13:09]	:	sorry for this gestures she's no transfert
[13:10]	:	I want all of us to keep spreading the word where we can.
[13:10]	:	So if you own a group or run into someone you think is good..send them to me or tell me please
[13:10]	:	I would think of a few names, but lemme check if there are not already in the group...
[13:10]	:	I can ask a friend of me who is from Danmark, but I think she personally can not do much. perhaps one of her friends
[13:11]	:	Word of mouth is a great way to build a stronger group.
[13:11]	 	nods
[13:11]	:	Also blog posts..which I am pushing for
[13:11]	:	: ))
[13:11]	:	I am involving a couple of friends to post A/Q
[13:11]	:	how many in the CT group are still active?
[13:11]	:	in italian
[13:11]	:	Thats another one of my topics Lisa
[13:11]	:	good Q Lisa
[13:11]	:	We have 234 translators signed up...
[13:12]	:	and how many are active?
[13:12]	:	Less than half are active
[13:12]	:	So...
[13:12]	:	hmm
[13:12]	:	but for how many languages ?
[13:12]	:	I will be doing a survey and dropping something on every single translator asking them to take the survey
[13:12]	:	think that means a lot are in just for the tag
[13:12]	:	maybe they couldn´t connect yet?
[13:12]	:	not much for such a pile of text and so many languages :(
[13:12]	:	I suppose it also depends on how much there is to translate, as for some languages isn't much lately.
[13:13]	:	Slatan...I think about 15 languages
[13:13]	:	right
[13:13]	:	ty Lexie not bad indeed
[13:13]	:	i try to translate to European Portuguese what i know is needed to translate... :-)
[13:13]	:	each language 10 translators would be more then enough, else a lot of double work will be done or translators will not have enough work to do in the first place
[13:13]	:	This survey is going to ask why are you not participating (if you are not). What can I do to help you participate. Questiosn like that
[13:14]	:	we wouldn´t mind having more translators for german
[13:14]	:	good one lexie
[13:14]	:	You will all get a card so dont be offended. If you participate already..you can ignore it unless you want to take it.
[13:14]	:	: ))
[13:14]	:	sounds like a spank :))
[13:14]	:	in the end only the current translators will do the survey....lol
[13:14]	:	I havnt yet, but love to fill it in for you :)
[13:15]	:	lol
[13:15]	:	LOL Lisa
[13:15]	:	not a spank at all!
[13:15]	:	^^
[13:15]	:	lol Lisa
[13:15]	:	I hope not
[13:15]	:	spanking hmmmm hehehe *grins*
[13:15]	:	I just want to reach out to everyone and make sure there are not reasons we can fix..that will allow more to participate
[13:15]	:	the average survey has about 3% positive response. The more the better the result.
[13:16]	:	If only the known active translators respond..then that will be good to know too
[13:16]	:	think you're more then right, Lisa. only active members will do it, all others, for what ever reason, will not even bother to do it
[13:16]	:	right
[13:16]	:	We can submit a notice to the group that the active ones will fill out the survey for a small fee of L$100 for those who don#t want to :-)
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:16]	:	bad!
[13:16]	:	well is true lexie
[13:16]	 	giggles
[13:16]	:	agree
[13:16]	:	a lot join just to show off the group tag
[13:16]	:	That is possible
[13:17]	:	But if even a small % are not helping for a certain reason..Id like to know why
[13:17]	:	it's true, a lot get in easily and end up doing nothing
[13:17]	:	Also many did not accept the CT group invite. They may be out of the loop. This will also allow them to mark that they want to be added to group.
[13:17]	:	So we will see.
[13:17]	:	This should happen next week
[13:17]	:	hard work=lazy people
[13:17]	:	don't forget the 25 groups low limit, Lexie...
[13:17]	:	i cant help with the translations (as i told before because i cant get komodo to work and its too difficult for me to work with the programs) but do go alot to this meetings!
[13:18]	:	Very true Radio
[13:18]	:	Maybe also a blog post that thsi group is still looking for translators and what a translator does?
[13:18]	:	I had to be rid (for a ALT) of a group to accept this one
[13:18]	:	:-)
[13:18]	:	I know group limits are a problem
[13:18]	:	: ((
[13:18]	:	if people like to help out, they suppost to drop a club or anything simular, such groups are useless and the CT group is not.
[13:18]	:	I don't think Komodo is needed for the translatins... I don't use it either.
[13:18]	:	for me, I have health problems and I can't always come that depends on the periods.
[13:18]	:	i recommended 1 year ago, that the official groups (Mentor, etc.) not to count to the 25 limit...
[13:19]	:	Also I plan a MOTD within the next month to highlight CT projects. I will let you know before we do it. We will get more in that way and they will need some guidance
[13:19]	:	some translations before required Komodo, but lately it hasn't been used much
[13:19]	:	you actually NEED the CT group tag to get your work and proceed with the translations. for a club or any other tag, this is not the sace
[13:19]	:	case*
[13:19]	:	There are also very good reasons as some of you mention..why people go inactive for awhile.
[13:19]	:	some just get bored with it
[13:19]	:	25 groups limit definitively sucks, but I think people involved enough to work at translations (and more, dealing with the jira for that) will find a group to leave..
[13:20]	:	or arguments about translations put them off
[13:20]	:	in that case people usually notify either you lexie, or any of us
[13:20]	:	hi Surfaqua
[13:20]	:	hello
[13:20]	:	Hi Surfaqua ㋡
[13:20]	:	hi Surf
[13:20]	:	Surf ㋡
[13:20]	:	What about a blog post that this group still needs translators and what a translator does?
[13:20]	:	heyas :-)
[13:20]	:	its also possible to work in team, with just one tag on
[13:20]	:	peopel that want to stay active dont just go away without saying anything on purpuse
[13:20]	:	hi Surf :)
[13:20]	:	◕◕Surfaqua ♡
[13:20]	:	coucou
[13:21]	:	Do you think there are many "fights" about translations or are people just having "spirited" discussion on terms?
[13:21]	:	hi surf
[13:21]	:	in what way do you mean lexie?
[13:21]	:	could make the group official Second Life is not counted in the list?
[13:21]	:	Youri, most of the original dutch group just 'disappeared'...
[13:21]	:	true Lisa
[13:21]	:	because i have 9 group officiel ..
[13:22]	:	im still here Lisa just not in 'your' group anymore ;)
[13:22]	:	yeah Dawny :)
[13:22]	:	How do you all deal with the conflicting translations? Like for the Dutch group Lisa? Did you all vote on terms picked in the end or some other method?
[13:22]	:	yeah, we voted sortoff
[13:23]	:	8 groups that just are for official SL bussiness in some form
[13:23]	:	we usually brainstorm words until we agree on one or get too tired
[13:23]	:	finally they disappeared and the remaining, like for instance Bulli and me decided a lot
[13:23]	:	good point Torben
[13:23]	:	But Bulli and me had different views also :)
[13:23]	:	Do you think it would help at all to have a page about how to resolve or decide if you are deadlocked?
[13:24]	:	It might help
[13:24]	:	If there are methods that work better for other groups they could add it.
[13:24]	:	Cant hurt
[13:24]	:	: ))
[13:24]	:	now we have the style guides also
[13:24]	:	Teamwork is hard.
[13:24]	:	yes
[13:24]	:	back then we had to invent it ourselves
[13:24]	:	right
[13:24]	:	So now it may be a bit easier
[13:25]	:	There will always be different views on translations, no worries :)
[13:25]	:	you have some good resources to check
[13:25]	:	We have dictionaries, style guides, official translation dictionaries ... more pages to look up will make it even more complicated for others to join
[13:25]	:	For Dutch we discuss the problems mostly, and decide what is best
[13:25]	:	better to have someone check on the translation and eventually discuss changes
[13:26]	:	I think discussion is the best of course. I just wouldnt want you to lose translators if we can offer up other solutions with "discussions"
[13:26]	:	Think we could use our own CT meeting once or twice a month tho, might solve even more problems and perhaps find better ways to do things
[13:26]	:	it often helps to postpone discussions about terms for a week
[13:26]	:	right. discussion usually solves most things
[13:26]	:	so people can calm down / do some research
[13:26]	:	I think thats a good idea
[13:26]	:	true Lisa
[13:27]	:	And for sure..language meetings on your own are really good
[13:27]	:	I think you wont mind us using this place then for such meetings?
[13:27]	:	you could list all members and their languages, as for instance, I don't know any other names that are translating for European Portuguese... or i messed some pages...
[13:27]	:	Usually the more work on a translation, the harder it gets....wich is logical
[13:27]	:	jnice and quet here, no one bugging us either
[13:28]	:	I think it would be fine to use here to meet
[13:28]	:	true Lisa
[13:28]	:	Good idea Radio
[13:28]	:	That is another topic I wanted to bring up
[13:28]	:	perhaps get a few people that actually do the final decisions and translations taking the ideas of the others in account
[13:29]	:	may solve a lot of problems
[13:29]	:	think that will count for all languages
[13:29]	:	A final editor?
[13:29]	:	something like that indeed lexie
[13:29]	:	then only that small group will need to do a discussion inworld
[13:29]	:	Generally for German, French and Japanese we have Lindens for that. The other languages do not have that benefit
[13:30]	:	the entire group for that language getting together will oly bring problems and more confusion
[13:30]	:	that is why i said this indeed lexie
[13:30]	:	no, it´s awesome to meet and discuss issues
[13:30]	:	why those 3 languages...because they go live with the websites also?
[13:30]	:	the more ideas the better
[13:30]	:	Its a process. You have to be able to collaborate to improve translations.
[13:31]	:	most likely because none of the other langauges have translation lindens yet
[13:31]	:	Those are the top 3 languages at this time Lisa. I know it will expand but yes..those go to the websites first
[13:31]	:	perhaps in the future...
[13:31]	:	correct
[13:31]	:	I think there are many Lindens that do speak other languages also.
[13:31]	:	i could be a Portuguese translator Linden... Radioactive Linden... joking...
[13:31]	:	think Lisa would be a good one for that spot on the Dutch team :)
[13:31]	:	There are but they do not work in this area always
[13:32]	:	: ))
[13:32]	:	ĥehe. a radioactive linden ^^
[13:32]	:	re
[13:32]	:	hehehe
[13:32]	:	lol
[13:32]	:	You could just ask them to read things and see what they think of it.
[13:32]	:	You should be looking at the employment opportunities on the website!!
[13:32]	:	running around as atom spin
[13:32]	:	i already did it too many times...
[13:32]	:	and move to the us or uk
[13:32]	:	any Linden ad honorem ?
[13:32]	:	It is a slow process
[13:33]	:	yeah, they don't want offices in germany or france yet :-(
[13:33]	:	I tried several times lexie, it seems no one in the netherlands can be accepted at this time
[13:33]	:	:-)
[13:33]	:	So...do many of you have user wiki pages?
[13:33]	:	issues with finacial things
[13:33]	:	I do
[13:33]	:	I do have one
[13:33]	:	I do
[13:33]	:	here too
[13:33]	:	yupp
[13:33]	:	thanks to Zai before :)
[13:33]	:	me... a very bad one...
[13:33]	:	Do you list yourself as bilingual?
[13:33]	:	aww ^^ welcome
[13:33]	:	yes
[13:33]	:	yep
[13:34]	:	yus
[13:34]	 	nods
[13:34]	:	I have the one with the most userboxes
[13:34]	:	Yes, Zai makes the wiki so much nicer!
[13:34]	:	hehe, indeed ^^
[13:34]	:	aaww thx!
[13:34]	:	didnt make my own wiki page yet, so with time that will be added
[13:34]	:	woot Zai :)
[13:34]	:	if you need help, just ping Zai :))
[13:34]	:	(^_^)"
[13:34]	:	yep, Zai's is unbeatable
[13:34]	:	(hope you dont mind promoting you?)
[13:34]	:	nah, is kewl ^^
[13:34]	:	I think the user pages are good and we should be looking at those who list languages. I know they are not always current but its still good to have
[13:35]	:	Brings me to another topic..
[13:35]	:	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Localization_Portal
[13:35]	:	One of you mentioned that there is not much to do in some languages
[13:35]	:	Take a look at the Localization Portal ㋡
[13:35]	:	Ill be working on that later today, first I want to finish up this bag i carry, not finished yet
[13:36]	:	There are links to languages, pages that need translation etc
[13:36]	:	always something @ the Wiki :)
[13:36]	:	This is a good place to help if the jira is quiet
[13:36]	:	yes
[13:36]	:	Wiki is never ending
[13:36]	:	lol
[13:36]	:	hmm... think ill be on mosquito hunt soon... AGAIN :(
[13:37]	:	I think we should continue to add to that portal and make sure ALL the activity going on is linked.
[13:37]	:	I will also start adding that link to the new translator notecard.
[13:37]	:	So, if you have ideas to improve that portal..lets do it
[13:37]	:	㋡
[13:37]	:	notecard?
[13:37]	:	We need to evolve and make things current and interesting
[13:38]	:	as usual, no reference to European Portuguese... only "Português do Brasil"... :-(
[13:38]	:	I drop a notecard on all new translators as I add them to CT. It has office hour links, meeting, island, forum, pjira...all kinds of crunchy goodness ㋡
[13:38]	:	ah ok :)
[13:38]	:	:-)
[13:39]	:	hmmm Zai do we not have a Portuguese category?
[13:39]	:	that reminds me lexie, I thought about getting a blog type of addon for those that want to promote the CT project. Think we all should chip in some ideas about that next week. Perhaps we can offer people that way something they could use on their blogs and have multiple languages of it
[13:39]	:	Just BR?
[13:39]	:	was a idea i had last weekend
[13:39]	:	I have a question - the wiki is much - if anyone starts translation is not able to make it at once - can a mixture of two languages stay for some time?
[13:40]	:	I don't think we had a disambiguation for that so far... does it have different iso codes?
[13:40]	:	good idea Youri
[13:40]	:	I think it does Zai
[13:40]	:	yes, we have.
[13:40]	:	Our is 860, I think
[13:40]	:	identity, that is ok, tho you can also edit it in a personal workspace if you'd like to only publish when finished
[13:41]	:	delevers us all some extra work, but that should not be the problem. think it would be wise to show what we are doing currently in that way, everything in several languages possible of course
[13:41]	:	perhaps in the future we'll speak same language, but for now is like USA and UK
[13:41]	:	right
[13:41]	:	@radioactive: what are these? BR and?
[13:41]	:	PT ?
[13:41]	:	hm... we don't distinguish en-us and en-uk either atm...
[13:41]	:	hmm
[13:41]	:	It is the same as Dutch and Fleming. Sound the same, but are different :)
[13:41]	:	Microsoft named Standard Portuguese
[13:41]	:	true Lisa :)
[13:42]	:	but I think it's better European Portuguese
[13:42]	:	hm... i'll follow up on that topic when i digged for more info...
[13:42]	:	perhaps add the language 'Frysk' as well for the people that do understand that, usually Germans and dutch people living in the north understand that. Even danish people can understand it
[13:42]	:	and it's the same thinks for french of France and canadian french ^^
[13:42]	:	Thanks Zai. LEt me know what you find out please? I will do some digging as well
[13:43]	:	alsjeblieft niet, zeg.....lol
[13:43]	:	lol
[13:43]	:	oki. will post on the translator forum :-)
[13:43]	:	perfect
[13:43]	:	One other topic that I bring up everyyyy meeting : p
[13:43]	:	I can find someone who can do the 'frysk' part, so no worries there
[13:43]	:	Second Life Answers...lol
[13:43]	:	so dont stress Lisa :p
[13:44]	:	LOL
[13:44]	:	alsof gewoon nederlands al geen werk genoeg is...lol
[13:44]	:	besides, I am living in that province as well, so i can doa few things if needed
[13:44]	:	If you see questions that are in the "Possibly Answered" section. Please feel free to go look and see if you can offer additional suggestions. Until those are answered..they are "open". This is for all available languages of course : ))
[13:44]	:	nah, weinig werk. je moet zo stressen :p
[13:45]	:	Also a big thanks to those who jumped in and did the translations for the Answers blog!
[13:45]	:	Awesome help!
[13:45]	:	Can you identify the amount of questions from non-mentors also?
[13:45]	:	That was all I had for today. Anyone else have topics they want to bring up?
[13:45]	:	hmmm
[13:46]	:	heheh Lisa, good question
[13:46]	:	Lisa loves statistics :)
[13:46]	:	well, besides the blog part i talked about, not much i guess
[13:46]	:	I might be able to run a query on that
[13:46]	:	I will find out. That would be interesting to know
[13:46]	:	So far I have the feeling only lots of mentors are keeping busy on there....
[13:46]	:	yes, we play with ourself there as what I can tell
[13:46]	:	Lisa most of us are ALT answering
[13:46]	:	or their Alts
[13:47]	:	Well I do see questions from new users and tech questions stay pretty busy
[13:47]	:	lol
[13:47]	:	guess the % is not real
[13:47]	:	Over half that use the site are "unique" visits
[13:47]	:	oh, think it's wise to say when there is new work to be done over group Im/notice, because i hardly see any new things pop up myself
[13:47]	:	So the other part would be returning or multiples
[13:48]	:	I am unique each new day :P
[13:48]	:	haha
[13:48]	:	I think over time and after the official launch we will get much better data
[13:48]	:	Answers will get ALOT of PR
[13:48]	:	㋡ I expect it will get quite busy there
[13:48]	:	you want to make us work hard hehehe
[13:48]	:	oh, did you get any info about the new 2010 viewer yet? because i hate to do everything last minute
[13:48]	:	hehe all up to you :P
[13:49]	:	Will the website hold also then? :)
[13:49]	:	If you want or not. Free to choose!
[13:49]	:	:P
[13:49]	:	What do you mean Lisa?
[13:49]	:	The VTeam blog?
[13:49]	:	before with some discussion, the whole thing stalked wtih over 1200 posts
[13:49]	:	*stalled
[13:50]	:	in one discussion that was....
[13:50]	:	It should be ok. Its also getting an upgrade to software some time next month
[13:50]	:	Youri - No news yet. I think Ramzi may have some updates in the next couple of weeks
[13:51]	:	If no other comments or anything..then we are done with an awesome meeting : )
[13:51]	:	Maybe you can put up a promotional thingy for the CT group on HIP and so on. Like with the SLCC?
[13:51]	:	Thats a good idea
[13:51]	:	WOOOHOOO!!!!
[13:51]	:	hope so, because we getting closer and closer to 2010 and so far nothing yet. as i said last week, all teams will need at least the time to get it all translated propperly
[13:51]	:	Yes, I know Ramzi is aware of it and keeping it in mind
[13:51]	:	Mia is good at that ;)
[13:52]	:	Yes she is! We may need to bring her in : ))
[13:52]	:	gotta run
[13:52]	:	have a great day everybody
[13:52]	 	waves
[13:52]	:	bye bye torben
[13:52]	:	bye Torben
[13:52]	:	bye Torben
[13:52]	 	says Bye Bye !
[13:52]	:	Thanks for coming : ) Anyone want to grab the transcript?
[13:52]	:	same to U, Torben
[13:52]	:	bye all
[13:52]	:	⊙▽⊙⊙Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes ⊙▽⊙⊙ Yes !
[13:53]	:	byeeee
[13:53]	:	yes lexie ㋡ if you want :)
[13:53]	:	Great!
[13:53]	:	I can do transscript
[13:53]	:	hold on
[13:53]	:	ok
 
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