Doc Team/2010-03-31

== Transcript ==
[13:02]	:	Must be hiding Easter eggs
[13:02]	:	maybe the new TOS has prevented login
[13:02]	:	leave a piece of watermelon as Torley bait
[13:02]	:	Hello
[13:02]	:	yay we got a linden
[13:02]	:	hey Jeremy
[13:02]	 	has pinged you.
[13:02]	:	Where!?
[13:02]	:	Argle :D
[13:02]	:	hey Jeremy
[13:02]	 	has pinged you.
[13:02]	:	Hey guys.
[13:02]	:	Friendly greetings everyone rezzing in!
[13:02]	:	hi :)
[13:02]	:	and a Torley
[13:03]	:	ah :-)
[13:03]	:	Torley! xD
[13:03]	:	hi Torley
[13:03]	:	(and jeremy :))
[13:03]	 	has pinged you.
[13:03]	:	hi Jeremy
[13:03]	 	has pinged you.
[13:03]	:	Hello!
[13:03]	:	Hi Jeremy Linden. Hi Torley Linden
[13:03]	 	has pinged you.
[13:03]	:	oh hey Torley you might wanna make a note about people that have issues with Flash on media on prim
[13:03]	:	Bronson, specifics?
[13:03]	:	its about windows
[13:04]	:	its not something wrong with SLs end
[13:04]	:	its specific to teh flash download
[13:04]	:	yoshiko you appear sunk into the sofa.. can barely see you
[13:04]	:	might be your AO
[13:04]	:	I seem to be a mite laggier today that usual....
[13:04]	:	you have to find the one download for flash install for IE and other browsers
[13:04]	:	oh can see you now
[13:04]	:	*than
[13:04]	:	hmm. well, i can't watch youtubes on a prim, it MURDERS my fps down to about 0.3fps, then it stops talking to the server because it's blocking on flash, and i disconnect xD
[13:04]	:	the default on adobe seems to be IE only
[13:04]	:	Bronson, oh, we do mention that on one of the Shared Media pages, yes.
[13:05]	:	but you have to find the choice for IE and other browsers
[13:05]	:	See http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adding_Shared_Media_to_an_object
[13:05]	:	I had issues with both my XP and Win7
[13:05]	:	lol
[13:05]	:	I was getting bent
[13:05]	:	(Heh heh ever since changing my profile picture it's easier to see who I am in chat...)
[13:05]	:	Bronson: not if you already use Mozilla externally.
[13:05]	:	(Favicon-size!)
[13:06]	:	Thanks for the inv, Elite. :)
[13:06]	:	Your name isnt a good clue? :)
[13:06]	:	Greetings Elite :-)
[13:06]	:	u r welcome Torley
[13:06]	:	Chaley, well, the visual aspect too... people come to associate the green and pink with me... it's an extension...
[13:06]	:	well whats funny was that I had updated java
[13:06]	:	Hi xstorm
[13:06]	:	current flash
[13:06]	:	I could see youtube externaly quiet well
[13:07]	:	Does everyone know Second Life Viewer 2 is now the default download? See http://blogs.secondlife.com , other big news today like Xstreel-inworld L$ accounts are MERGED
[13:07]	:	i would like to have xusomizable name colors
[13:07]	:	Xstreet, I mean!
[13:07]	:	customizable
[13:07]	:	but with media on prim I couldnt get flash
[13:07]	:	WAIT
[13:07]	:	/me hopes not to step on anyones feet ;)
[13:07]	:	Anyone know when Emerald will update to include support for SL2 stuff?
[13:07]	:	and Torley
[13:07]	:	You mean that inworld and Xstreet L$ have merged?
[13:07]	:	Haha I don't have feet right now, I'm the horrific victim of an Intrinsic Field Subtractor.
[13:07]	:	Torley will the wiki have a better TOS and CS rules page soon ?
[13:07]	:	Hello all!
[13:07]	:	Yes, they have, Elite.
[13:08]	:	xstorm, specifics?
[13:08]	:	I didnt see anything on that page that mentions flash for IE and other browsers
[13:08]	:	Hihi Dawny!
[13:08]	:	WHOA
[13:08]	:	only go to adobe to get your flash
[13:08]	:	http://www.adobe.com
[13:08]	:	Bronson, I don't understand what you're trying to distinguish?
[13:08]	:	/me had to agree to a ToS update, earlier, but couldn't read the whole thing, nor see what had changed.
[13:08]	:	ok
[13:09]	:	let me somehow illustrate this better
[13:09]	:	Yeah the TOS update took me half an hour to login.
[13:09]	:	/me is clueless about the TOS update
[13:09]	:	externally youtube worked great
[13:09]	:	before youtube changed thier code
[13:09]	:	youtube worked great inworld
[13:09]	:	media on prim works
[13:09]	:	I see the page
[13:09]	:	I really wish they would hilight what changed in that, in the window that pops up, so you don't have to scour through the whole thing slowly wondering what changed... oO
[13:09]	:	but the flash didnt work
[13:10]	:	the layout makes it a bit hard to understand about screen shots and if a person will worry about doing a abuse report with a screen shot and then getting ban do to it.. it be better to have all this out of the way do you not think so Torley ?
[13:10]	:	but youcan see on the page it says java not enabled or flash out of date
[13:10]	:	the beginning of new TOS had "changes to this agreement" and it told me to look at section 13.4 but didnt see anything new in that...
[13:10]	:	What YouTube code change are you referring to, Bronson?
[13:10]	:	hold on let me find something here
[13:10]	:	xstorm, I don't understand what you're asking.
[13:10]	:	I DO know they added language to the section of kid-avs....
[13:10]	:	*section on
[13:11]	:	I like the clarification about machinima and snapshots... ;)
[13:11]	:	YouTube have regularly made changes to the way that we can obtain video streams from them to send to your DTV YouTube player. Unfortunately, in March 2010 YouTube again made a change that means that only the device that requests the video can see it. What this means is that only the DTV servers (which process the page on your behalf and generate a link that you can use in SL) would ever be able to view the video. Clearly this is no good for our customers
[13:11]	:	Is there still a solution? Well yes there is, but many of you won't like it: You will need to upgrade to the Viewer 2.0 beta, which supports the Flash Video that YouTube uses on its website. You can put the same URL (or web address) in to your Viewer 2.0 and watch the video directly in SL. It's not ideal, because the Flash player in SL is not very efficient and creates significant lag, which increases massively for every prim-face that you use for video. Potentially you could grind your SL viewer to a halt
[13:11]	:	the abuse report uses screen shots if a person has to abuse report a person and the sim cov. do not permit screen shots what then ?
[13:12]	:	ok so anyway
[13:12]	:	I made sure my java was enabled
[13:12]	:	it was
[13:12]	:	Bronson, oh, that totally explains my issue then =]
[13:12]	:	sims can now not allow screenshots? oO
[13:12]	:	made sure taht flash was updated
[13:12]	:	it was
[13:12]	:	both machines I got
[13:12]	:	sims can now now disallow screenshots? oO
[13:12]	:	I searched through all teh blogs
[13:12]	:	found someone taht had teh same issue
[13:12]	:	There's somke prohibition of Screen Shots? I don't even know how to do those
[13:13]	:	he posted a solution
[13:13]	:	OK, Bronson. this may or may not be the same thing: prior to Shared Media, MP4 streams (different from Flash) were available for many, but not all YouTube movies.
[13:13]	:	Second Life: Your region will restart in 5 minutes and 0 seconds for maintenance.
[13:13]	:	its on teh adobe site
[13:13]	:	the New TOS that i was made to sign when i log in has that about screen shots'
[13:13]	:	oh yay
[13:13]	:	lol
[13:13]	:	hmm
[13:13]	:	ok, that's actually funny
[13:13]	:	make it stop we're all going to die
[13:13]	:	xD
[13:13]	:	A number of workarounds were created because YouTube used dynamic links that kept changing. On the whole, it was quite unreliable.
[13:13]	:	What the? Resrtating during Office Hours????
[13:13]	:	Covenants can say just about anything, but there are no tools in the standard viewer that allow people to prevent screenshots.
[13:13]	:	DO SOMETHING TORELY! xD
[13:13]	:	lindens have the power to delay restarts right?
[13:13]	:	/me delays restart.
[13:13]	:	Entering god mode, level 200
[13:13]	:	JEREMY HAZ DA POWAH
[13:13]	 	has pinged you.
[13:13]	:	ok but enough about that Im now talking about media on prim
[13:13]	:	lol
[13:13]	:	yay jeremy! xD
[13:13]	:	If someone wishes to show a reliable MP4 from movie within their rights, they should host it on their own server.
[13:13]	 	has pinged you.
[13:14]	:	so you go to adobe
[13:14]	:	and the download page
[13:14]	:	At least, I think I can delay the restart! We'll see in 5 minutes :-P
[13:14]	:	Okay, what beancounter scheduled this sim for maintainence during the Office Hours event?
[13:14]	:	On SL2, I saw no message of a Restart
[13:14]	:	Whoever that beancounter is..... 50 lashes with a wet noodle.
[13:14]	:	Oops I botched that sentence, I mean if someone wants to reliably show an MP4 that was downloaded from YouTube.
[13:14]	:	if the sim goes down it will be down for about 30 mins
[13:14]	:	Then why was so many hit with a new TOS at log on to day ?
[13:15]	:	http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?promoid=DXLUJ
[13:15]	:	Second Life: Your region will restart in 3 minutes and 0 seconds for maintenance.
[13:15]	:	ok take alook at that page
[13:15]	:	Drat!
[13:15]	:	um
[13:15]	:	xD
[13:15]	:	Adobe Flash Player version 10.0.45.2 
 Windows, Internet Explorer
[13:15]	:	well, I guess we gotta poof
[13:15]	:	Bronson, I'm familiar with that page. To simplify, what's your goal here? What are you trying to achieve?
[13:15]	:	/me will come back in 30
[13:15]	:	we could go torleys sim
[13:15]	:	see just as i ask about the new TOS
[13:15]	:	not evryone can see flash on media on prim
[13:15]	:	Should I have had to dig, for those notices?
[13:15]	:	post a SLURL to chat?
[13:15]	:	Torley, can we reconvene at Here?
[13:15]	:	am I not saying it right?????
[13:16]	:	Bronson, in the case where you still want to show non-Flash movies, that option is still available with Shared Media. It may take some more time if the movie isn't already hosted reliably somewhere.
[13:16]	:	lsdhkwfgvai;sghlewrghaderghkladgilvaerplg
[13:16]	:	never miond
[13:17]	:	Second Life: Your region will restart in 1 minutes and 0 seconds for maintenance.
[13:17]	:	if we go down, where do we go?
[13:17]	:	what shall we do?
[13:17]	:	Eeek!
[13:17]	:	someone post an slurl quick
[13:17]	:	http://slurl.com/secondlife/Here/44/95/35
[13:17]	:	oaky
[13:17]	:	i will go here
[13:17]	:	As I mentioned earlier, Bronson, the workarounds for showing MP4s from YouTube are unreliable, and never guaranteed to work.
[13:17]	:	lets go! xD
[13:17]	:	Huh. Alright, everyone, let's go to the link Chaley May posted.
[13:17]	:	Second Life: Your region will restart in 0 minutes and 30 seconds for maintenance.
[13:17]	:	http://slurl.com/secondlife/Here/44/95/35
[13:18]	:	You just entered a region using a different server version, which may affect performance. [ http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/1.36 View the release notes.]
[13:18]	:	hahaha
[13:18]	:	Well welcome to Here island of creative possibilities!
[13:18]	:	:)
[13:18]	:	nice place to land lol
[13:18]	:	There are no kraken today.
[13:18]	:	Heh! I teleported while sitting.
[13:18]	:	That's like, TP super-relax style.
[13:18]	:	xD
[13:18]	:	Thanks for the initiative, Chaley, ha ha ha!
[13:18]	:	/me got a link to the drink
[13:18]	:	So did I, apparent;ly.... even tho I hit Stand UP before I TPd
[13:19]	:	So, sorry 'bout that! The ol' "Delay Restart" button apparently needs some work.
[13:19]	:	LOL
[13:19]	:	Improv seating too, why this is nice... how spontaneous and SL-riffic.
[13:20]	:	Anyone want something, to take the animation off the furniture?
[13:20]	:	maybe thats why its being rolled back
[13:20]	:	These sofas are elegant in their simplicity.
[13:20]	:	Jeremy's signature stool.
[13:20]	 	has pinged you.
[13:20]	 	- brown: stopping shoulder bag pose
[13:20]	 	- brown: starting shoulder bag pose
[13:20]	:	Did Torley lose his head?
[13:20]	:	Yeah.
[13:20]	:	Alice in Wonderland style? oO
[13:21]	:	Occupational hazard.
[13:21]	:	Oh wait, lemme turn autoreturn off.
[13:21]	:	/me looks around nervously for the Queen of Hearts
[13:21]	:	Or increase it to 100 min. for now...
[13:21]	:	0 is surely quicker to type than 100
[13:21]	:	:)
[13:22]	:	So in case you don't know the background to this island, it began when my devious experiments began to roll into other Linden parcels and cause all sorts of havoc (including havoc with Havok). I also needed filming grounds for, oh, those video tutorials...
[13:22]	:	ah
[13:22]	:	and lots of fun stuff I wanted to show off. There's more background here but I haven't updated it in ages... http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Here
[13:22]	:	I just thought you'd helped recruit somebody
[13:22]	:	/me smiles.
[13:22]	:	Its like being where movies are made. ;)
[13:23]	:	So, is everybuddy here yet from the Office Hours palce?
[13:23]	:	That's right Cisop. Hehe. FILMED HERE, altho the overall layout and decor keeps changing.
[13:23]	:	Truely the most surreal place yet visited =^_^=
[13:23]	:	/me gives a great big smile.
[13:23]	:	i have an idea i wanted to throw at you Torley
[13:23]	:	Speaking of videos, I posted the Viewer 2 Beginner's series up... altho it's good for anyone new to Viewer 2 https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_2_Video_Tutorials
[13:23]	:	Hahaha Lag, well that's the spirit of Second Life, ain't it?
[13:23]	:	OK yoshiko, what's up?
[13:24]	:	Have you subtitles, for the videos?
[13:24]	:	If you have Shared Media on, perhaps you can see thsi panorama... that's the previous incarnation.
[13:24]	:	what if prims could be combined into one prim in the veiwer like they do wut the sculptmaster tools
[13:24]	:	Some have translations, Arawn! That's an ongoing thing with Localization Team and volunteers. :)
[13:25]	:	I've got a comment I want to make on Avatars United
[13:25]	:	I got the panorama
[13:25]	:	yoshiko, I know that was tossed around as an idea. Don't know if it'll become a reality.
[13:25]	:	so you could not just link prims but also merge them
[13:25]	:	Cool, Bronson.
[13:25]	:	Yeah Nathan?
[13:25]	:	it would efently change the prim landscape of sl
[13:25]	:	defently i ment
[13:26]	:	I was able to see media on prim beofre
[13:26]	:	Twitter has a More button at the bottom, to show more of the notices that came in before the current ones on your accounts page..... AU needs something like that
[13:26]	:	just not youtube video using media on prim
[13:26]	:	Bronson, if other Flash is working but not YouTube despite Flash being installed, that's odd. I wonder if Vimeo, DailyMotion, etc. work in your case?
[13:27]	:	well the adobe site has two download options
[13:27]	:	Ahhhh, Nathan. Yes, I like how Tumblr does it too in their dashboard... just scroll down and new posts get loaded. Sometimes on AU in the shoutbox, text gets cut off, too.
[13:27]	:	one for internet exploder
[13:27]	:	and one for internet explorer and other browsers
[13:27]	:	somehow some reason the IE one only worked externaly
[13:28]	:	so I had to get the one for IE and other browsers
[13:28]	:	and it worked finaly on both machines I got
[13:28]	:	the other place seems to be up
[13:28]	:	smiles
[13:28]	:	Hmm...
[13:29]	:	/me scouts ahead.
[13:29]	:	Bronson, ahhhh OK, that would make sense given that Viewer 2 is based on WebKit. Yeah, clarifying that could help, I wonder who else has run into that. I personally stay away from IE but those who are unfortunate enough to experience its wrath should know ;D (in fairness, IE8 isn't as sucktastic IE6... but still.)
[13:29]	:	Aha, it's back!
[13:29]	:	yeah
[13:29]	:	Time for me to go fetch the horde.
[13:29]	:	:-P
[13:29]	:	so you will end up with alot of new average users taht will have issues
[13:30]	:	Beaumont is back up!
[13:30]	:	Oh joy OK let's go back to the Doc Dock and thanks for your brief stay on Here island!
[13:30]	:	...and there were a couple very confused people there :-P
[13:30]	:	LOL
[13:30]	:	or just stay here
[13:30]	:	This office hour is going to get a ton of frequent flier miles.
[13:30]	:	/me will have tio return to explore
[13:30]	:	lol
[13:30]	:	Dang, just as we get settled in here, and it's time to go back to the other. LOL
[13:31]	:	Haha feel free to come back anytime and ask me Q's!
[13:31]	:	Now, where were we!
[13:31]	:	Ah, here we go.
[13:31]	:	I really wish I was more tech savvy then I currently am
[13:31]	:	Hey, I think my chair changed color while the region was down...
[13:31]	:	/me smiles and shows up: may I ask someething please
[13:31]	:	Of course!
[13:31]	:	but teh majority of SL users are just like me
[13:32]	:	and will have some issues with stuff like this
[13:32]	:	Bronson, some things could be easier, too. Like a lot of people do have multiple browsers installed, so would it be that troublesome for Adobe to have a single easy install option as the default?
[13:32]	:	alot of people install thier OS and just run with it
[13:32]	:	running on default settings an what not
[13:32]	:	/me waaits for everything to rez again
[13:32]	:	Quaid is Totoroish!
[13:32]	:	/me wonders that Maxine asked about asking, as though it might be unforgiveable to ask.
[13:33]	:	and teh adobe site installs by default I guess to IE
[13:33]	:	Defaults should generally be "smart" and "sensible".
[13:33]	:	at least it did for me
[13:33]	:	it was a fun trip :)
[13:33]	:	thanks for noticing torley
[13:33]	:	Bronson, well, depends on your browser, were you on IE? I just checked in Firefox and it gave me the other browsers option.
[13:33]	:	thank you Jeremy, my major problem with 2.0 is the comunication, how can I combine chat,IMs and group chats in one window, one floating window, and how I can switch of the pops ups in the lower right corner?
[13:33]	 	has pinged you.
[13:33]	:	I am IE
[13:33]	:	and most importantly we didn't all die a derezzing server rollback death
[13:33]	:	as it was default to win7 and XP
[13:33]	:	Ive alway to jump around, from IM to chat, to pop up anbd back again?
[13:33]	:	when I installed the OS to my comps
[13:34]	:	Something about no-copy scripts hadn't permission to remain in Inventory?
[13:35]	:	so I hope that you add something to the KB about that
[13:35]	:	Yup. :)
[13:36]	:	okies we are all on the same page .. I can now shut up
[13:37]	:	ok why ya all quiet now?
[13:37]	:	I'm glad we worked that one through.
[13:37]	:	㋡
[13:37]	:	It's eerily quiet!
[13:37]	:	too quiet
[13:37]	:	sometinggs gotta break soon? :D
[13:37]	:	my fault probably
[13:37]	:	is there a guy in a hockey mask sneaking up on us?
[13:37]	:	*cue dramatic music*
[13:37]	:	O_O
[13:37]	:	/me ponders making loud noise.
[13:37]	:	Torley is there going to be any improvments to groups and parcel control soon?
[13:37]	:	quiad! I remember that cartoon
[13:37]	:	haha
[13:37]	:	Maxine, something that may help is the "Tabs" option in Preferences, under the Chat tab.
[13:38]	:	see. there is a guy in a hockey mask sneaking up on us, but in rl, not sl
[13:38]	:	It's not exactly like it used to be, but it's closer than the default.
[13:38]	:	It's wonderful isn't it Bronson? :)
[13:38]	:	I did that, it dosnt combine all toghter
[13:38]	:	chat is never included
[13:38]	:	its recognizable for sure
[13:38]	:	and the pop up still poping up
[13:38]	:	but I'll be damned if I can remember the name of it
[13:39]	:	either the japanese name or the english version
[13:39]	:	Is there a way to see what other avatars are using for a browser in 2.0 like in Emerald?
[13:39]	:	I'm not altogether familiar with that, Cisop, tell us more?
[13:39]	:	Wouldn't that constitute Real World information?
[13:40]	:	all viewers have to ID themselves anyway
[13:40]	:	Emerald has a way that you can see the avatars in your area, like how close they are, how old they are and what viewer they are using.
[13:40]	:	Emerald thinks JVA bots are v2
[13:40]	:	but do they need to broadcast it to anyone who wants to look?
[13:40]	:	hm? *looks hopefully
[13:40]	:	ohhhhh
[13:40]	:	taht thing
[13:40]	:	tahts safe
[13:40]	:	you said browser
[13:40]	:	lol
[13:40]	:	lol
[13:40]	:	not viewer
[13:41]	:	Sorry, meant viewer.
[13:41]	:	hm... March Hare sneaking up on us.
[13:41]	:	yeah that thing is kinda cool
[13:41]	:	no hockey mask though
[13:41]	:	2.0 has teh age thing
[13:41]	:	Ah, I see, Cisop. Not currently a feature -- we do keep usage statistics behind-the-scenes. So, that's open-ended.
[13:41]	:	kinda
[13:41]	:	not by days
[13:41]	:	Whoa, region nearby just went down!
[13:41]	:	but years and months
[13:41]	:	Hiya
[13:42]	:	I didn't touch it, I swear!
[13:42]	:	At least put it on the Advanced menu would be nice.
[13:42]	:	hiya alexa :)
[13:42]	:	lol
[13:42]	:	We hope this region is now safe, from backrolling
[13:42]	:	thats too funny
[13:42]	:	they did the roll back and the chat lag came with it
[13:42]	:	Maxine, this sounds like a continuation of what you asked last week? There isn't a built-in way to get the exact functionality you requested, but... I suggest going to https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_2_Tweaks and asking the Residents who contribute to that. They may have a clever way.
[13:42]	:	lol
[13:42]	:	ALEXA!!!!
[13:43]	:	/me waves at all the familiar and new faces
[13:43]	:	ALL MAD HATTER LIKE TOO and OMG THAT'S AN AWESOME HAT
[13:43]	:	/me waves back
[13:43]	:	Hahaha, I like the stray... wheat, is it? What big eyeballs, Alexa!
[13:43]	:	Need a better landing point.
[13:44]	:	hm Torley, I dont dare to hack something, Im gald Im able to switch my laptop on and off without problems, hm, comunication is soo important for me
[13:44]	:	Jeremy - looks like they fixed that play and pause button. No more need to rationalize
[13:44]	 	has pinged you.
[13:44]	:	'-)
[13:44]	:	/me winks
[13:44]	:	Huh, nice!
[13:44]	:	Maxine, I used to be scared too, but if curiosity compels you enough, you can learn a bit at a time. You can always backup and reinstall if something doesn't work -- if you really care about it though, that's a productive path to take.
[13:45]	:	Ya! Glad ot have seen that finally done
[13:45]	:	I've put some of the tweaks in.
[13:45]	:	Troley, back and reinstall takes hours.
[13:45]	:	yes, I care really about, hm
[13:45]	:	with the tweaks, i keep the original xml file
[13:46]	:	Hi Bronson
[13:46]	:	...sorry..a bit behind on the chat...I am laggy...LOL
[13:47]	:	A lot of Residents get into tweaking gradually... sometimes it starts by opening the Advanced menu, then trying out some debug settings, then editing some XML files. The most important thing is to have an attitude to learn and persist. Along with your backups, of course. :)
[13:47]	:	/me has little to say and is just making sure everyone behaves. ;-)
[13:47]	:	Behave?
[13:47]	:	^^
[13:47]	:	/me gave lag up for lent.
[13:47]	:	yeah, Lag... just don't do anything *I* would do and you're ok.
[13:47]	:	I'm not sure exactly how but will the chat ever be integrated differently in to the SL viewer?
[13:47]	:	/me need a more surreal appearance
[13:48]	:	Behave? Watch out for Alexa. Clearly griefer material
[13:48]	:	/me raises hand.
[13:48]	:	/me raises hand.
[13:48]	:	An ya, I need ot start doing some XML tweaks. I want a map button, and a wider chat bar
[13:48]	:	/notices Alexa's hand is raised.
[13:49]	:	Whoa, hey Alexa!
[13:49]	:	Haha, never a dull moment.
[13:49]	:	pfft
[13:49]	:	roll on tomorrow - april fool's day
[13:50]	:	i have a few "ideas"
[13:50]	:	looks like you may have a ghosted av at Here, Torley
[13:50]	:	How so?
[13:50]	:	oh, geez.. .almost forgot that. I think I'll just go curl up in a corner of my sim and close my eyes
[13:50]	:	oh, April 1...
[13:50]	:	I haven't seen a ghost in a long time...
[13:50]	:	Actually, there's a rollback in process
[13:50]	:	1.36.4
[13:51]	:	I actually rezzed into my ghosted avatar one day. it was freaky
[13:51]	:	Aargle. I've done that. Wild!
[13:51]	:	Mari, I keep asking about that postcard bug... haven't really heard back on it... but I'll try again...
[13:51]	:	6-7 people standing around trying to figure out what was up with my avatar, then they all freaked out when I came alive.
[13:51]	:	Spooky even.
[13:51]	:	Lag Absent is still showing online
[13:51]	:	a gjost of Torley! "who you gona call?"
[13:51]	:	Flash! Aaaaaaa! Saviour of the universe!
[13:51]	:	yeah, Marianne.... I think it was tied to a sim crash, too.
[13:52]	:	We're supposed to be making more use of postcards as part of the whole Second Life-social media thing so every opportunity I get, I point out what's wrong!
[13:52]	:	Awesome, Torley. I've taken to doing smaller ones, but it kinda criples me.
[13:52]	:	Good!
[13:52]	:	Me too, Mari. It prevents us from sharing fun stuff.
[13:52]	:	Ditto. Well, we're both explorers, after all
[13:52]	:	/me puts his hand up.
[13:53]	:	I looked at the new Discovery and Welcome areas today. I rather like them... but... neither even attempts to mention that one can build in SL, from all I could see.
[13:53]	:	Indeed.
[13:53]	:	Torley, are there any copyright rules against me creating a SL video to my music on youtube?
[13:53]	:	i found a place for free baths
[13:53]	:	Just add water?
[13:53]	:	anyone want to play a game?
[13:53]	:	Quaid, I can't legally advise on specifics. If you own all original creations, then most likely not. :)
[13:53]	:	"Instant water! Just add..... uh.... " --anon
[13:54]	:	Ya, still trying to parse some of those rules. Wonder if I'll have to ask the Gov. for permissions to photograph
[13:54]	:	/me grins
[13:54]	:	Is ther a diff somewhere?
[13:55]	:	Do we need government permission to Vote, yet?
[13:55]	:	On a completely different note.... some of the 3rd Party viewer makers are having serious issues with some of the fine-print of the new TPV. http://modularsystems.sl/index.php?option=com_agora&task=topic&id=2698&Itemid=2
[13:56]	:	Yah, I've been asked why there wasn't even a recent blog post or more fanfare about http://viewerdirectory.secondlife.com/ I'm not involved with that so I don't know.
[13:57]	:	I know we had brown bag discussions earlier on the topic, not sure if they're gonna happen again.
[13:57]	:	Torley, that's great news, I do own the music I just wasn't sure about recording SL :)
[13:57]	:	and one of the more advanced, but not-as-publicised 3rd party viewers, just pulled all support for going to SL from their viewr. http://imprudenceviewer.org/2010/03/26/an-important-announcement-regarding-the-third-party-viewer-policy/
[13:58]	:	The biggies is teh tpv policiy makes devolopers liiable for there code.
[13:58]	:	Even if they don't connect to the grid.
[13:58]	:	Yeah, and apparently some of the TPV policies are directly in conflict with the GPL
[13:59]	:	Some are even suggeting there might come a legal fight over this.
[13:59]	:	BTW Mari those are awesome tie-dye designs.
[13:59]	:	Wish I had more to contribute to the TPV discussion as it stands but I'm no legal eagle. ^_^
[13:59]	:	Time for me to leave
[13:59]	:	Bye all
[13:59]	:	TPV?
[13:59]	:	Take care Cisop!
[13:59]	:	/me waves
[13:59]	:	l8r Cisop
[14:00]	:	TPV is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "third-party viewer".
[14:00]	:	Third Party Viwer policy
[14:00]	:	Toretto, your name has great alliteration!
 
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