Open Source Meeting/2010-04-15

== Agenda Thursday, 15 April 2010 ==
# Weekly Snowglobe update - Merov Linden
## 1.4 trunk: Hows the missing libs on S3 and parabuild work comming?
# Snowglobe now offers VC90 boosts but do not seem to be usable. 
# Fix to socks proxy code
# Clarification of quick patch review, white space, prefered implementation
# patch for gstreamer 0.10.28 standalone build
=== last week's stuff, any remaining actions? ===
# 1.4 trunk: trying to build leads to errors (SNOW-600, fmod missing, fixed) which lead to new errors (bundle missing!) which pushes Merov to reexport the internal 1.23 branch... which fails building!... Aaargh... Merov working on this
## 2.0 trunk: merge and sync done by Merov. 2 categories of build problems:
### Automated build: still fails for various reasons (different on all platforms)
### Standalone builds: see thread by DZonatas, Nyx and others on various issues
## Branding script: Merov working on it though making build works everywhere is prio 1
## Build in general: We need to update the relevant wiki page(s) for 1.x and 2.x.
# TPV: Joe will held an IW meeting Tuesday, 4/13 at noon PDT: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Linden%20Estate%20Services/229/230/29
# New IW meeting: need to put that on the calendar for real. Merov to act on this.
== Transcript ==
[13:56]	:	hi Aimee
[13:56]	:	and Pixel
[13:56]	:	hi
[13:57]	:	hi people
[13:57]	:	/me waves
[13:57]	:	/me waves hello to all
[13:58]	:	brb
[13:58]	:	...and blames Aimee for something just because it feels good. :)
[13:58]	:	bring it on
[13:59]	:	Thickbrick you got out some updates to the sg2.0 pretty quick in order for it to compile
[13:59]	:	=)
[13:59]	:	/me smiles
[13:59]	:	hi guys
[13:59]	:	Hi!
[14:00]	:	/me wonders if being flanked by 2 female winged avatars is some kind of omen...
[14:00]	:	I'll just hide in here
[14:00]	:	LOL
[14:00]	:	nuthin wrong with wings
[14:01]	:	agenda for the day: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda
[14:01]	:	a http://www ... we just need to get you some wings merov! you deserve them!
[14:01]	:	it's when the big guy in a black cloak holding a scythe sits behind you you need to worry
[14:01]	:	Or if I sit behind you...;-)
[14:01]	:	haha
[14:01]	:	gotcha watch out for them hang nail ... =p
[14:01]	:	Techwolf is as scary. :P
[14:02]	:	Hello
[14:02]	:	okay... let's start with first order of business
[14:02]	:	SG2.0 build update: so, we finally got the 3 parabuild machines to fire up in sync
[14:02]	:	and produce binaries... even though the Linux one is crashing
[14:03]	:	and the notification email fails to be sent
[14:03]	:	I also synced viewer-external with viewer-2-0
[14:04]	:	webkit plugin won't run on Linux
[14:04]	:	and it's exporting right now a new crop of bug fixes I pulled from the hotfix branch
[14:04]	:	the one building 2.0.1
[14:04]	:	Morgaine, have you tried r3324
[14:05]	:	Nope, it was 3318 I ran
[14:05]	:	so, I think I know why the email is not sent though and working on it
[14:06]	:	on 1.x, I'm still having problem to build the internal branch: reason is the build system changed a lot and I'm working through those using the old scripts
[14:07]	:	it's tedious, I think I'm almost through though (fmod URLs were wrong... duh...)
[14:07]	:	see r3320: http://svn.secondlife.com/trac/linden/log/projects/2010/snowglobe/trunk
[14:08]	:	I really *really* want to be done with all these build issues and see constant "green" on my parabuild monitor
[14:08]	:	I've the feeling I'm almost there though
[14:08]	:	especially for 1.3 i bet =)
[14:08]	:	thanks for your patience in the meantime
[14:09]	:	yeah, reviving the internal 1.23 build was not something I planned :/
[14:09]	:	On the use of SG1.x BTW, we're hitting an all time high in term of daily sessions
[14:09]	:	it's interesting...
[14:10]	:	ho?
[14:10]	:	hard to know what's driving that though
[14:10]	:	*oh
[14:10]	:	I wonder why. ^^
[14:10]	:	I can't use snowglobe because it crashes.
[14:10]	:	how many sessions is that?
[14:10]	:	we don't know, we can only see the metric and speculate
[14:10]	:	and how much has it increased?
[14:10]	:	It's a good thing, ya!?!?!
[14:10]	:	/me checks the chart
[14:11]	:	we're around 7,000 unique users per day
[14:11]	:	previous plateau was 5,500
[14:11]	:	that is interesting
[14:11]	:	yeap
[14:12]	:	i guess people want "official" linden non viewer2
[14:12]	:	11%
[14:12]	:	wish it was obvious what made that leap happen, so we could do more of it
[14:12]	:	well, may be the folks liking 1.23 style UI but wanting threaded fetch come to us...
[14:12]	:	sounds like we need to keep improving the stablity of snow 1.x for a while longer.
[14:12]	:	+1
[14:12]	:	+1 Techwolf
[14:12]	:	Merov: may I put it in words for you? a) Long time residents dont want to be on a viewer that maybe is disallowed next month (Emerald etc.) and b) dont like 2.0 (yet)?
[14:12]	:	I kind of figured the crashing caused by certain objects in the public sandboxes would keep people from using snowglobe.
[14:13]	:	this is why this work on building internal 1.23 clean, though tedious, is important
[14:13]	:	Snowglobe 1.4 is pretty good for greifer crashes
[14:13]	:	It's not even grief. There are copybotted cars, which are regularly rezzed for sale there, which cause it to crash
[14:13]	:	Robin: huh? To get crashed or to crash others?
[14:13]	:	Tilie, i mean in not being crashed by greifer attacks
[14:13]	:	PJIRA ref on that?
[14:14]	:	ah
[14:14]	:	there is still the onld nagging SNOW-169 - if people figure out how to reproduce that it might be a big problem griefing-wise...
[14:14]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-169 
 [#SNOW-169] Viewer crash: LLViewerImage::doLoadedCallbacks: ASSERT (mRawImage.notNull())
[14:14]	:	SNOW-169
[14:14]	:	that one is crashing me regularry
[14:14]	:	I use Snowglobe 1.4 cause its the most stable during big fashion shows. :P
[14:14]	:	Robin, your animations crashers fixes, did they made it into snow 1.x and 2.x?
[14:14]	:	You only beat me because of chat lag, lol.
[14:14]	:	to the point i cannot use SG
[14:14]	:	Thickbrick thats actually what i was on lkalif said it gets triggered on http fetch cap enabled sims more often
[14:15]	:	Tech i think all or all but one are in 1.X and soft's rewrite of the animation parsing logic fixed them in 2.0
[14:15]	:	/me added himself as a watcher on 169
[14:15]	:	geee... this *is* annoying...
[14:15]	:	It's my "favourite" issue.
[14:16]	:	2.0 Korean language support when possible?
[14:16]	:	OO...I did add to the jira.
[14:17]	:	I hope the info I added helps.
[14:17]	:	ok, well, we won't fix that one now and there but thanks for bringing it to my attention
[14:18]	:	Free Portal: I don't know about the localization schedule
[14:18]	:	:(
[14:18]	:	You should go to Noelle OH
[14:18]	:	apropos language support. CT (Community Translators) only translate for official Viewer, right? Could we cooperate with them to get snowglobe-specific strings translated, too?
[14:18]	:	That latest build, is it good enough to use it? The one you posted to the list?
[14:18]	:	Noelle's OH was earlier today.
[14:19]	:	Boroondas: sure, we don't have much of those though
[14:19]	:	/me would like to translate Snowglobe to Chinese
[14:19]	:	Tillie: the SG2.0 build you mean?
[14:19]	:	It helps, techwolf. I tried looking into it a long time ago and got lost. Narrowed it down to a specific image UUID, but still couldn't repro it anywhere else with that UUID.
[14:19]	:	well, the additional strings compared to the official viewer are few
[14:20]	:	yup, the trunk build
[14:20]	:	Many Koreans are ready to support translate
[14:20]	:	well, we know that Linux is crashing at launch :(
[14:20]	:	Mac and Windows are okay though
[14:20]	:	I am on windows. ^^
[14:21]	:	should be fine then, did you try?
[14:21]	:	NOt crashing at launch for me .
[14:21]	:	ok, going to try it then. :)
[14:21]	:	thanks! :)
[14:22]	:	Oh, is there a way to improve the installer so that you can install SG2.0 while SG1 is running? ;)
[14:22]	:	k, some folks added PJIRA they wanted to cover here. Good idea BTW
[14:22]	:	r3324 runs for me.. using now
[14:22]	:	on linux
[14:22]	:	Always complains about other Sl version running, have to close it before install. ^^
[14:22]	:	o Tillie, good point: this is *not* fixed
[14:22]	:	I mean is there a fix possible? ;)
[14:22]	:	I got folks complaining to me in Direct email about this
[14:22]	:	Ah. ^^
[14:23]	:	known problem
[14:23]	:	ok, let's move on with the agenda: VWR-9541
[14:23]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9541 
 [#VWR-9541] Included boost libraries prevent VC90 from compiling and linking the second life source correctly
[14:24]	:	ok been in boost hell again today
[14:24]	:	might as well add VS2010 as well now
[14:24]	:	appears the boost libs for VC90 supplied in the bundle don't work
[14:24]	:	saw your last comment Robin
[14:25]	:	but i did get a good build in the end, so posted my binaries
[14:25]	:	we need to ping Brad on this. This issue has been open for a while and he might not pay enough attention to recent development
[14:25]	:	thanks Robin!
[14:25]	:	Yah, hoping that it works with VS2010 Express soon, just installed it. ^^
[14:26]	:	Brad has the intention BTW to create an open project called "autobuild" on bitbucket with all the 3rd party lib sauce available
[14:26]	:	not tried, but i guess its just another boost build
[14:26]	:	Merov great news
[14:26]	:	he's been swamped though in 2.0.x updates but he should get back to this soon
[14:27]	:	yes, I'll be helping him getting that up
[14:27]	:	there's some love needed for linux boost packages as well
[14:27]	:	Merov, I completed a project like that awhile ago, but it used scons. It builts all the libs needed
[14:27]	:	important for all you guys standalone builders... no more guesswork on how libs have been built... :/
[14:27]	:	but not for each platform... didn't get that far
[14:28]	:	Q on 2.0 compiling (VS2008/windows). Boost hell dealt with, thanks Robin. How did people deal with c-ares libs, or did you have to? I compiled cares-1.70 and changed names from areslib.lib to cares.lib and cares.dll, now am getting unresolved symbol _ares_getnameinfo . Thx.
[14:29]	:	(I'm trying viewer-external, btw. Still working on it.)
[14:29]	:	c-ares has been under heavy development recently it might be API version incompatability?
[14:29]	:	Latha: I think you need to rebuild curl too with a "use cares" option
[14:30]	:	yes there is a world of curl fun, must use cares --non-blocking and openssl not gnutls unless you want pain
[14:31]	:	k, on that last JIRA though, conclusion is : thanks Robin! :) Merov to ping Brad to get that in official viewer
[14:31]	:	oh can i add one extra
[14:32]	:	one extra... patch?
[14:32]	:	if you use VC90 (C++2008) and you try to use the pch supplied by LL (the VC80 one) expect to run out of ram
[14:32]	:	o dear...
[14:32]	:	more of a VC2008 comment relating to boost and parsing of templates by the preprocessor
[14:33]	:	disabling the pch worked, and i hope building a new pch works
[14:34]	:	ok, next: SNOW-613
[14:34]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-613 
 [#SNOW-613] Socks proxy is not working correctly with username/password auth
[14:34]	:	/me returns "Oooo...I want that autobuild project. :-)"
[14:34]	:	that's one from you Robin for 1.x
[14:34]	:	I bet you kept your artwork bundles warm somewhere... :/
[14:35]	:	I'm kinda stuck churning a new 1.4 build as long as I can't rebuild that internal 1.23 based oss-viewer
[14:35]	:	(see beginning of the chat)
[14:36]	:	yes, thats an updated patch for the socks proxy, we were testing in anger using amazon EC2 servers the other day and found some left ovwr bugs ;-/
[14:36]	:	so you just need the old artwork bundle?
[14:36]	:	my artwork bundles are on my git tree
[14:36]	:	and on apt.byteme.org.uk for 1.23
[14:36]	:	Boroondas: I need all, the artwork and libs for the 3 platforms
[14:36]	:	don't have libs though
[14:37]	:	yeah: the artwork is easy to recreate... I don't even need to build for that
[14:37]	:	I cen send you the ones for Linux
[14:37]	:	and I have one on my machine FWIW
[14:37]	:	that's the lib ones that are vexing
[14:38]	:	same here about having a cache copy of both - and it's verifyable (if you trust md5)
[14:38]	:	that would be a temp solution Boroondas, thanks though
[14:38]	:	thanks ?= send it? or no thanks?
[14:38]	:	sorry: thanks, send it :)
[14:39]	:	that can unblock folks around, some right here in this meeting :)
[14:39]	:	you got bot libs and artwork boroondas?
[14:39]	:	still, *eventually*, we need to be able to build our own internal branch... grrr...
[14:39]	:	*both
[14:40]	:	only libs or artwork, too?
[14:40]	:	can i clarify what exactly we are missing? what versions?
[14:40]	:	lib for me
[14:40]	:	I have artwork
[14:40]	:	I still have the linux stuff in my cache .
[14:40]	:	so all the libs from 1.23?
[14:40]	:	yes Robin, the 3 lin bundles
[14:40]	:	*lib
[14:41]	:	they got "cleaned up" from S3... :(
[14:41]	:	ok, i'll go digging on my various windows pcs, sure i've probably got a set somewhere
[14:41]	:	I think I do not really understand the future of all branches. There is 1.23, SG1, SG2 and 2.0 Isnt the future a merge of SG2 and 2 or something? Or just SG2?
[14:42]	:	that's internal and external for the 2 main code base. It's not complex, just complicated :)
[14:42]	:	ok.
[14:42]	:	internal 1.23 -> external SG1.z
[14:42]	:	*1.x
[14:42]	:	sorry
[14:42]	:	internal 2.0 -> external SG 2.0
[14:43]	:	the "->" refers to the "export" process
[14:43]	:	ok
[14:43]	:	merov, can you receive 2.6 MB mails, or should I upload it somewhere?
[14:44]	:	Boroondas: I *think* I can receive that...
[14:44]	:	ok, for SOCKS fix, someone should review so Robin can commit
[14:45]	:	Merov, what files are you looking for, I can upload to my server and send you a link.
[14:45]	:	Techwolf: basically the 4 files mentioned in doc/asset_urls.txt
[14:46]	:	/me worries about being swamped under libs this afternoon...
[14:46]	:	just found slviewer-linux-libs-viewer-rc-frozen-1.23.5.136274.tar.gz
[14:47]	:	if you could file those mentioned in asset_urls.txt, that's best
[14:47]	:	ok, next : SNOW-577
[14:47]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-577 
 [#SNOW-577] Real star maps
[14:47]	:	aaaah.... I so love that one :)
[14:47]	:	o/
[14:47]	:	simple question here really? whitespace how do you want to change it, i was not clear exactly what you were refering to?
[14:47]	:	Merov, of what branch? I got a bunch of those files on my system.
[14:48]	:	Techwolf: the doc/asset_urls.txt of the 1.4 branch
[14:49]	:	I like this even more for the possibility of adding UNrealistic star maps.
[14:49]	:	working...
[14:49]	:	Robin: which white space?
[14:49]	:	there are a lots of ways to skin that "star" cats
[14:49]	:	in the code, re your comments ;-p
[14:49]	:	What about a big texture with galaxies on it as sky? :P
[14:49]	:	/me checks his comment again
[14:50]	:	i didn't think i had blocked many statements together, they are in little groups with a comment
[14:51]	:	there some "foo=bar*baz" where the rest of the code usually has "foo = bar * baz"
[14:51]	:	a right: I like code with space between words, parenthesis, etc... making it easier for the eye when reading
[14:51]	:	ah right ok i understand
[14:51]	:	thanks :)
[14:52]	:	well the plan for this was to get it cleaned up and imported, i guess it will be down to the user to load the star cataloge in themselves
[14:52]	:	Merov, about your comment on parentheses, if you're reffering to gcc 4.4 warnings, I think that was only a problem when mixing || with &&
[14:52]	:	reading things like "if(x==0&&y!=0){foo;}" is my favorite torture...
[14:53]	:	lol
[14:53]	:	Thickbrick: you are correct
[14:53]	:	none found. :-(
[14:53]	:	All was from other brances or versions.
[14:53]	:	http://boroon.dasgupta.ch/tmp/slviewer-linux-libs-oss-viewer-1.23.4.139024.tar.gz
[14:54]	:	IIRC though, Techwolf or someone else did some "pre-emptive" addition of parenthesis when doing a big clean up some months ago
[14:54]	:	Techwolf, if you've even done a non-standalone build, they should be in /var/tmp/username/install.cache/
[14:54]	:	I did
[14:54]	:	*ever
[14:55]	:	so if someone adds "||" to an existing combination of "&&", the coding style is there and won't be "forgotten"
[14:56]	:	now i've found slviewer-linux-libs-oss-viewer-1.23.2.121778.tar.gz
 slviewer-linux-libs-oss-viewer-1.23.4.126183.tar.gz
[14:56]	:	so, on the star Map, would you commit to 1.x Robin?
[14:56]	:	port to 2.0? :)
[14:56]	:	Merov yes
[14:56]	:	o/
[14:56]	:	gcc 4.4 warns about stuff like: if (x && b || c), since that relys on people knowing that && comes before ||
[14:57]	:	i like star map!
[14:57]	:	Thickbrick, I just check. Sadly, they are all 2.0 attempts to build a !standalone
[14:57]	:	Techwolf: [14:53] Boroondas Gupte: http://boroon.dasgupta.ch/tmp/slviewer-linux-libs-oss-viewer-1.23.4.139024.tar.gz
[14:58]	:	ok, last JIRA of the agenda: SNOW-592
[14:58]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-592 
 [#SNOW-592] gstreamer 0.10.28 standalone build failure
[14:58]	:	macro mess
[14:59]	:	what's with the "static" there?
[14:59]	:	dunno
[14:59]	:	legacy?
[15:00]	:	could be
[15:00]	:	well, good to have that clean up
[15:00]	:	need to be reported back to monroe and media folks
[15:00]	:	/me will do that
[15:01]	:	So far, that patch has not cause any problems with gstreamer 0.10.28
[15:01]	:	cause me
[15:02]	:	someone else building on Linux to test Techwolf's patch?
[15:02]	:	I can test it
[15:02]	:	have older gstreamer, though
[15:02]	:	cool! thanks Borrondar
[15:02]	:	Boroondas
[15:02]	:	ok, we're at the end of the meeting and the JIRA proposed for discussion
[15:03]	:	this is nice to have that BTW, thanks folks for adding those there
[15:04]	:	Can I advertize a feature request?
[15:04]	:	on the rest of the actions (last week), well, I talked about the build issues, Joe's brown bag happened (another one next week) and we had our first Tuesday meeting this week
[15:04]	:	here, we're done with the agenda :)
[15:04]	:	Boroondas: go ahead
[15:05]	:	what time are the tuesday meetings
[15:05]	:	SNOW-614 (was kinda popular on IRC, but didn't collect any votes, yet)
[15:05]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-614 
 [#SNOW-614] Detect UI skins at runtime
[15:05]	:	same time, same place
[15:05]	:	The Tue meeting is going to be overshadowed with the brown bag, but that what alts are for. lol
[15:05]	:	texture fail, i click boroondas' link and get boroondas' skin texture by moonlay designs on my web page ;-p
[15:06]	:	hum ...
[15:06]	:	is there some way to stop GL from doing that?
[15:07]	:	Robin, that is officialy known as the pants-plants bug.
[15:07]	:	:-P
[15:07]	:	^^
[15:07]	:	what are you talking about?
[15:07]	:	/me was reading SNOW-614
[15:08]	:	so, you're asking for an "install skin" feature Boroondas, right?
[15:08]	:	kinda
[15:08]	:	I think SNOW-614 has Risk of overlap with other viwer skin path.
[15:08]	:	pants-plants bug: SNOW-439
[15:08]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-439 
 [#SNOW-439] Transient textures displayed when opening a llqtwebkit powered Media Browser window
[15:08]	:	you'd just drop the skin files in a specific folder and the viewer would find them without having to know about them at compiletime already.
[15:09]	:	that shouldn't be too hard to add as a feature really
[15:09]	:	yeah
[15:09]	:	I'd like it. no need to hack the client to change the UI
[15:10]	:	we could always go fancy later. Robin suggested tradable skin comodities.
[15:10]	:	need to be done in a clean way though, what about if you install a new viewer? need to reinstall the skin?
[15:10]	:	there are a bunch of XUI hacks for 2.0, which i think kind of started some of this discussion,i got seasick, so i could have a V2.0custom folder that i have my modded XUI in
[15:10]	:	Merov, we though search the RO data location and the users preference area for skins
[15:10]	:	just define a 2nd location to look
[15:11]	:	I'd much prefer that indeed
[15:11]	:	for skins not overwritten at update we'd need some notion of compatibility ...
[15:11]	:	yea, malformed skins will crash viewers rather easily
[15:11]	:	Why not do it as it is done for the settings xml?
[15:12]	:	default one in the installation folder.
[15:12]	 	HTTP requests too fast.
[15:12]	:	skins already do that, or did, on 1.X if you select blue skin, not every XUI is overridden, and languages the same, the XUI works more like css overrides do
[15:12]	:	And additional / extended one in the home folder. What works for settings.xml should work for UIs too.
[15:12]	:	so it falls back to system installed defaul
[15:13]	:	hm
[15:13]	:	overwrite is the way to go so to get complete sets for UI definition
[15:13]	:	settings.xml uses the viewer channel name in the filename to work with different versions - that might be a problem with skins (or maybe not?)
[15:14]	:	anyway got to go, later all! have fun
[15:14]	:	well, that's an interesting problem, you should make a proposal Boroondas
[15:14]	:	before coding anything I mean :)
[15:14]	:	ok
[15:15]	:	hm...I have one question. when press <ENTER> key, Text disappear(search, debug setting, search map name, any text input window filed) in 2.0
[15:15]	:	that's one feature that folks are going to have opinions about and expectations
[15:15]	:	is intentional? Or a bug?
[15:15]	:	Free Portal: I'm running 1.3.2 at the moment so can't check
[15:15]	:	others?
[15:15]	:	exact repro?
[15:16]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-18219
[15:16]	:	[#VWR-18219] World map find ui invalid action. (viewer 2.0)
[15:16]	:	I'd venture "it's a bug"
[15:17]	:	okay! i see!
[15:17]	:	1.x doesn't have this issue on the map for sure
[15:18]	:	A bit of sidenote: I was using snowglobe 2.0 to loginto the beta grid for Oskar Office Hour, keeped getting a texture crash.
[15:18]	:	ok, we're a full 18 min over time
[15:18]	:	wow!
[15:19]	:	need to go
[15:19]	:	Fare well
[15:19]	:	adios~
[15:19]	:	WFH today and my 10 years old thinks I'm "playing" on the computer...
[15:19]	:	see you
[15:19]	:	I'm *working* here!
[15:19]	:	heh
[15:19]	:	see you guys
[15:19]	:	Heh.
[15:19]	:	*GIGGLES* :)~~~~
[15:19]	:	/me never worked out the difference between work and play either
[15:20]	:	:D
[15:20]	:	Play = not for money
[15:20]	:	she thinks I've the coolest job on earth :)
[15:20]	:	=p
[15:20]	:	You have. :)
[15:20]	:	I dunno, professional sports players get paid to play.
[15:20]	:	k, going back to parabuild now... less playfull UI lemme tell you...
[15:20]	:	they play for money... so that is work
[15:21]	:	hmm, next project turn parabuild into an arcade game
[15:21]	:	if you use a text-only viewer, it'll look more work-ish.
[15:21]	:	I see it as both unless they dont' enjoy it. :P
[15:21]	:	see you!!! and have nice day
[15:22]	:	parbuild space invaders
[15:22]	:	I thought parabuild issues were already similar to wack-a-mole?
[15:22]	:	ah!
[15:22]	:	genius, parabuild-whack-a-mole
[15:22]	:	whack-a-bug
[15:23]	:	actually a lot of the time it's like one of those stage acts, spinning plates on sticks
[15:23]	:	moles and alien invasions... difference of evolution not origin
[15:23]	:	extraterrestial moles?
[15:23]	:	Off to a sandbox for me~
[15:24]	:	yes!
[15:25]	:	do you see me in the prim floor now?
[15:25]	:	indeed
[15:26]	:	SNOW-446 as introduced by SNOW-610 and SNOW-397
[15:26]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-446 
 [#SNOW-446] Avatar "Sit Here" available while falling/jumping
[15:26]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-610 
 [#SNOW-610] Option to sit down, right where one is standing at the moment. (V2 dupe of SNOW-397)
[15:26]	:	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-397 
 [#SNOW-397] Suggested behaviour change for "Sit here" when targeting the ground
[15:27]	:	if someone can tell me how to detect falling viewer side, I can fix it
[15:27]	:	turn of/off linear prediction
[15:28]	:	on/off
[15:28]	:	?
[15:29]	:	I don't think velocity interpolation matters here
[15:29]	:	not interpolation.. the linear prediction... there was an option in advanced menu to try... um...
[15:31]	:	what does it do?
[15:31]	:	(and where in advanced do I find it?)
[15:32]	:	i forget where/what it was called... just when the sim didn't send interpolation updates then then viewer used linear prediction to complete the missed packets... its what happens when you see your avatar fly off into the yonder when it takes to long to croass a sim
[15:32]	:	same with objects
[15:33]	:	i just remember it from a bug few years ago where objects would fall through the ground
[15:33]	:	but the sim had them registered above ground
[15:34]	:	well, my agent is sittin on the ground (instead of on the prim)
[15:34]	:	err, my avatar
[15:34]	:	my agent is somewhat up in the air
[15:35]	:	as you can see from the name tag
[15:36]	:	try to turn off velocity interpolate and see if that affects it
[15:36]	:	Develop > Network > Velocity Interpolate Objects ?
[15:37]	:	yes, it was related to that
[15:37]	:	let me try again
[15:37]	:	been to long to remember exactly
[15:38]	:	nope
[15:38]	:	still the same effect
[15:38]	:	not sure what ya doing to cause it
[15:39]	:	it's not viewer side. My agent and avatar are seperated server side. Only the cause is viewer side (because I issue a ground sit when the server doesn't expect one.)
[15:40]	:	well i ended up here on the side
[15:45]	:	anyway ... have to get up in 7 hours, so I better go get some sleep
[15:45]	:	tc, all
[15:45]	:	/me waves
 
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