Community Tools User Group/14-April-2011

Category:Community Tools User Group
==Attendees List==
*Amanda Linden (amanda.linden)
*Ann Otoole (ann.otoole)
*ANSI (ansi.soderstrom)
*bob Iwashi (bob.iwashi)
*Candy Necklace (candy.necklace)
*Catwise Yoshikawa (catwise.yoshikawa)
*Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)
*Cummere Mayo (cummere.mayo)
*Darrius Gothly (darrius.gothly)
*Deltango Vale (deltango.vale)
*dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide (dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid.vonderheide)
*Doctor Gascoigne (doctor.gascoigne)
*draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)
*Dresden Ceriano (dresden.ceriano)
*Geo Meek (geo.meek)
*Jeremy Linden (jeremy.linden)
*Lexie (lexie.linden)
*Madeliefste Oh (madeliefste.oh)
*Mags Indigo (mags.indigo)
*Marianne McCann (marianne.mccann)
*oobscure (opensource.obscure)
*Peewee Musytari (peewee.musytari)
*Qie (qie.niangao)
*Rand (rand.linden)
*Raymond Linden (raymond.linden)
*Scylla Rhiadra (scylla.rhiadra)
*Second Life (second.life)
*Torben (torben.trautman)
*Tox (toxic.menges)
*Venus Petrov (venus.petrov)
*Vernes Veranes (vernes.veranes)
==Transcript for Thursday April 14, 2011==
[12:59]	Marianne McCann 	I know I talked briefly via e-mail with you on this Amanda, but I am curious on a broader scope. When a community tool that's a new feature request for the SL viewer, where should one go to?
[12:59]	Marianne McCann 	Specific examples would be my own "Grid Broadcast System (https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2008 ), or things like Loki Eliot's "friend feed" idea ( https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-20663 ) nd Crap Mariner's rather brilliant "Click The Clock" ( https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17022 ).
[13:00]	Marianne McCann 	These seem to span several groups, from community. events, dev, and likely others.
[13:00]	Marianne McCann 	Not sure, though, where they'd best fall
[13:00]	Darrius Gothly 	Howdy OO
[13:00]	Amanda Linden 	kk, we can address that... add to agenda. :)
[13:00]	Marianne McCann 	Spiffy
[13:00]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	fantabulous
[13:00]	Peewee Musytari 	yanno them search boxes on the forums...os there any reason that there isn`t one on the main opening page for Answers?
[13:01]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	hey amanda, i neer got the group invitey-doodah
[13:01]	Peewee Musytari 	*is
[13:01]	Amanda Linden 	really.
[13:01]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	really
[13:01]	Amanda Linden 	ok i'll do it again after the meeting. :)
[13:01]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	is it open membership? i;ll go profile purveying and nosying
[13:01]	Amanda Linden 	yep, i think so.
[13:01]	Amanda Linden 	it's just community tools user group
[13:01]	Amanda Linden 	ok, we ready to get started?
[13:01]	Amanda Linden 	raymond is on his way.
[13:01]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	aye
[13:01]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Peewee, it made sense to have those searching in answers, stay within answers. Instead of shooting them off to some other area of the forum
[13:02]	oobscure (opensource.obscure) 	yup. hey all-
[13:02]	Amanda Linden 	hey there!
[13:02]	Venus Petrov 	hey Ciaran
[13:02]	Amanda Linden 	nice group today.
[13:02]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	heckers, if y'want somethign doing, do it thyself i says
[13:02]	Amanda Linden 	love seeing regulars. :)
[13:02]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Hi to everyone ㋡
[13:02]	Scylla Rhiadra 	/me waves to Amanda and Lexie
[13:02]	bob Iwashi 	hi weveryone
[13:02]	Amanda Linden 	/me waves back.
[13:02]	Peewee Musytari 	just thought maybe one where they actually post the question would be good and maybe save them posting
[13:02]	Geo Meek 	love seeing anyone
[13:02]	Marianne McCann 	Ciaran is here. Now we can start!
[13:03]	Amanda Linden 	ha. kk
[13:03]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	lol Mari
[13:03]	Amanda Linden 	raymond is on his way, so maybe we can start with lexie on sl answes & forums...
[13:03]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Sure
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari 	yay
[13:03]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	"lord of dee">? " lord of dee diddle dumpling do"?
[13:03]	Amanda Linden 	agenda, fo rhtose that just arrived.
[13:03]	Amanda Linden 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[13:03]	Amanda Linden 	lexie, any updates from your neck of the woods?
[13:03]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	We dont have a bunch of updates yet. But we are looking at Answers and how the comments portion can be changed for a better flow
[13:04]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	jezzy! me auld mucker! how the devils are ya kiddo?
[13:04]	Peewee Musytari 	ABSOLUTELY!!!
[13:04]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	What do you all think
[13:04]	Darrius Gothly 	*nods*
[13:04]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	sometimes comments can be useful
[13:04]	Geo Meek 	i think vary littl
[13:04]	Geo Meek 	=little
[13:04]	Geo Meek 	thanks
[13:04]	Peewee Musytari 	not as often as they are just plain annoying though
[13:05]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	true
[13:05]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Consistency wise it would be better yes
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	We are trying to find out if we can remove those or just expand them at least
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	But I know its an issue
[13:05]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	hey Doc :)
[13:05]	Marianne McCann 	Agreed, Ciaran
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Will keep you updated
[13:05]	Peewee Musytari 	and the abiloty for the OP to post again so their post in in the right order in the thread
[13:05]	Marianne McCann 	Hey Qie
[13:05]	Raymond Linden 	Yeah, we are going to see if Answers comments can be removed. Not sure if it is possible
[13:06]	Qie (qie.niangao) 	hi Mari, everybody. :)
[13:06]	Geo Meek 	:-)
[13:06]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Peewee, you mean other than editing their original post?
[13:06]	Ann Otoole 	sometimes there is more than one right answer.
[13:06]	Darrius Gothly 	The "flow" of a standard forum post is just fine for Answers conversations too .. IMO
[13:06]	Peewee Musytari 	it would need to be tied in with the way OP can repost as thats their only option aside from edit yes
[13:06]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Ann, more than on can be marked as an Accepted Solution
[13:06]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	2 can be
[13:06]	Candy Necklace 	Marianne McCann took a green piece of candy from Marianne McCann's necklace!
[13:06]	Marianne McCann 	(oops)
[13:07]	bob Iwashi 	abnd soem can be 1/2
[13:07]	bob Iwashi 	1/2 and vague answers
[13:07]	Peewee Musytari 	and the punters don`t like it...many of them complain
[13:07]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	ok
[13:07]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	watch out Mari, I might steal some of your candy
[13:07]	bob Iwashi 	we can't complain - no ticket option to do that nowadays so we wander in circles banging our heads against the proverbial brivk wall
[13:07]	Peewee Musytari 	some copy paste the same comment to every reply they get because they aren`t sure what they mean
[13:07]	bob Iwashi 	brick*
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	I have not seen that peewee. Noted!
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Raymond, do we have anything forums?
[13:08]	Peewee Musytari 	and as we said last week u can`t mark a comment as the right snwer...so better they just go
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	for forums* sorry
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	(right peewee)
[13:09]	Amanda Linden 	raymond? :)
[13:09]	Raymond Linden 	We are going to see if we canremove Answers comments
[13:09]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	(chat lag)
[13:09]	Raymond Linden 	I should know by today or tomorrow
[13:09]	Peewee Musytari 	yay
[13:09]	bob Iwashi 	i found the new forums, a little comboozling?
[13:09]	Peewee Musytari 	a little? hehe
[13:09]	bob Iwashi 	i miss logging on and readign he most ercent omments immediately
[13:09]	Raymond Linden 	Unfortunately, I have not made as much UI progress as I was hoping in the past week
[13:10]	Darrius Gothly 	What about the default setting for "send email for all posts" .. just in the Answers section? Has that been addressed / resolved?
[13:10]	Raymond Linden 	But, we are hoping to get started on that work soon. Just a few details to iron out
[13:10]	Raymond Linden 	One of which is the Answers Comments!
[13:10]	Peewee Musytari 	yes please switch that on to default
[13:10]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Darrius, that would be a global setting and I don't think people would be thrilled
[13:10]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Please don't
[13:10]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	So, as of now..no we dont have a way to do that
[13:10]	Darrius Gothly 	Is there some way to make it more visible?
[13:11]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	/me whistles "Senior Director of Marketing Communications."
[13:11]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	But I have been sending out some reminder PMs
[13:11]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	That's the key Darrius, making the options more visible
[13:11]	Darrius Gothly 	Like a warning popup? "You will not receive email notices unless you check the box marked ..."
[13:11]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Can check on that Darrius
[13:11]	Peewee Musytari 	any progress on getting new posts to bump the thread back to top of page 1?
[13:11]	Raymond Linden 	I should mention that we will be bringing on some moderation during the European hours. This will help with the spam
[13:11]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	good idea
[13:11]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	yay moderation!
[13:11]	Amanda Linden 	woot raymond.
[13:11]	ANSI (ansi.soderstrom) 	hi all
[13:11]	Ann Otoole 	most recent post sort order is an available option in board settings. is that the issue for most recent? people don't have it set right?
[13:11]	Venus Petrov 	nice
[13:12]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	do you guys have a "senior vp in charge of making tea" amanda?
[13:12]	Catwise Yoshikawa 	grean a new moderator is really needed
[13:12]	Raymond Linden 	Peewee - not yet. But, still being looked into
[13:12]	Catwise Yoshikawa 	great*
[13:12]	Peewee Musytari 	kk ty
[13:12]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Even if you have it set Ann the recent posts are still most recent threads
[13:12]	Scylla Rhiadra 	I think the problem, Ann, is that posts get buried in the subforums
[13:12]	Scylla Rhiadra 	What Ciaran said
[13:12]	Amanda Linden 	ha. ding ding. :)
[13:13]	Dresden Ceriano 	the recent post page is available but there's no way that i can find to get to it directly
[13:13]	Raymond Linden 	Hoping to have some more UI updates for you next week
[13:13]	Amanda Linden 	all very good points.
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari 	even one question from yesterday is on page 3 and with 63 posts its a pain to keep going to page 3 to check on it
[13:13]	Dresden Ceriano 	there should be a link on the main forum page if you ask me
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari 	thankfully she is fixed now lol
[13:13]	Darrius Gothly 	Hmm .. when I open a board, the messages are sorted so those with recent replies are listed first.
[13:13]	Geo Meek 	maybe a trust point system
[13:14]	Mags Indigo 	apologies if I trample on someone
[13:14]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	mags don;t worry bout it
[13:14]	Peewee Musytari 	do u have the page for all topics across all answers like that darrius?
[13:14]	Vernes Veranes 	A trust point system? I like self regulating systems.
[13:14]	Amanda Linden 	agenda here for those who just arrived.
[13:14]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	i bagsy first charleston with elxie after teh meeting
[13:14]	Amanda Linden 	shouts: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[13:14]	Deltango Vale 	Og, a quick point about Answers....could we have a tickbox to indicate the viewer of the person posting a question? It would save much confusion.
[13:14]	Darrius Gothly 	After the meeting, I'll post how I have my options set so others can review / copy if desired.
[13:14]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	lexie*
[13:14]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Yeah, Darrius, but you have to open that board first There's no way of knowing where the most recent posts, rather than threads, are
[13:15]	Geo Meek 	and you trust that ?
[13:15]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	When you open a board Darrius, yes, I have recent posts go to the top, but the overview shows recently created threads at top
[13:15]	Darrius Gothly 	Ahhh .. I float the Boards of interest then go by the "New" counts.
[13:15]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	deltango, you mean something automated or that the poster uses
[13:15]	Peewee Musytari 	i found one for latest posts on the whole community but thats way TMI...I just want latest on answers
[13:15]	Darrius Gothly 	Now I understand ... replace the "Recent Threads" with "Recent Posts" on the Forums front page.
[13:16]	Dresden Ceriano 	you can get the whole forum in resent posts but you need to know the url for it
[13:16]	Deltango Vale 	no, just a manual tickbox the questioner ticks
[13:16]	bob Iwashi 	i agree
[13:16]	Dresden Ceriano 	recent*
[13:16]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Yay Darrius, lol!!
[13:16]	Darrius Gothly 	Pfftttt .. LOL
[13:16]	Amanda Linden 	ok....
[13:16]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:16]	Deltango Vale 	a person may have a question about V2 for example, but not everyone will know unless he says it's particular to V2
[13:16]	Dresden Ceriano 	at least have a link to it somewhere
[13:16]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Can check on it Deltango. I dont think thats available
[13:17]	Ann Otoole 	what it really needs is an "iSpy" thing.
[13:17]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Can you get recent blog posts to the top too, it's a pain noticing via Twitter or SLU that there have been new blog posts
[13:17]	Amanda Linden 	well, the most recent ones are at top, in each section.
[13:17]	Amanda Linden 	but you want a mix?
[13:18]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Blogs? I want last blog post at the top
[13:18]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	erm, i have a good question? web prfiles? can we opt out of ours being on display?
[13:18]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	most recently posted I mean
[13:18]	Amanda Linden 	raymond, thoughts?
[13:18]	Raymond Linden 	across all the Blogs?
[13:18]	Amanda Linden 	and, i think u can ding. it's in settings.
[13:18]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Well yes, it gives greater visibility to them
[13:18]	Amanda Linden 	lot sof privacy / profile controls to play around with in there.
[13:18]	Amanda Linden 	it's a good point.
[13:19]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	thanks amanda
[13:19]	Amanda Linden 	like we did the jiggles post and it sorta got buried. i was thinking thes ame thing.
[13:19]	Amanda Linden 	same
[13:19]	Raymond Linden 	We can look into Recent Blog posts across all Blogs
[13:19]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Yes Amanda
[13:19]	Amanda Linden 	yeah raymond, it's a goo didea.
[13:19]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	/me dares amanda to say his name 5 times outloud in the office
[13:19]	Amanda Linden 	good idea
[13:19]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	I agree
[13:19]	Qie (qie.niangao) 	yeah, I agree with Ciaran on that... I know I'm missing blog posts
[13:19]	Darrius Gothly 	I think the primary goal is "I wanna see 'New' stuff. Just make sure I can pick which stuff I wanna see."
[13:19]	Raymond Linden 	ok, I'll add it to the list to see if it is possible!
[13:20]	Amanda Linden 	/me in open workin genvironment and boss is on phone.
[13:20]	Mags Indigo 	me too
[13:20]	Mags Indigo 	(she chirps up from the back)
[13:20]	Amanda Linden 	thanks great idea.
[13:20]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	that's the idea amanda :)
[13:20]	Amanda Linden 	and something i've had at hte back of my mind as well
[13:20]	Amanda Linden 	that may also solve for the uber rss feed for all blog posts problem.
[13:21]	Amanda Linden 	ok, that's on raymond's list.
[13:21]	Amanda Linden 	time for rand/jeremy to give updates on kb?
[13:21]	Jeremy Linden 	/me wakes up Rand.
[13:21]	Rand (rand.linden) 	OK well we are just hard at work updating the content
[13:21]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	awesome
[13:22]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Also looking at bringing a few more articles over from the wiki
[13:22]	Cummere Mayo 	/me hopes im not sitting on anyone
[13:22]	Amanda Linden 	yep, and rand, how is the process going re: getting info from other areas and creating kb articles?
[13:22]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Jeremy has been rewriting some of the most popular articles
[13:22]	Darrius Gothly 	Rand / Jeremy .. When we find a link from a Wiki or other page that goes to the wrong place, how do we notify you about it?
[13:22]	Amanda Linden 	nice
[13:22]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Amanda: you mean from Answers or forums, etc.
[13:22]	Rand (rand.linden) 	?
[13:22]	Amanda Linden 	yep
[13:22]	Peewee Musytari 	if we stuff in the KB that could use clarifying or changing what is the right procedure?....I sent a PM to jeremy but wasn`t sure that was right thing
[13:22]	Jeremy Linden 	Currently, I'm working on the Age Verification and maturity articles. They're... confusing right now. Trying to fix that :-)
[13:22]	Peewee Musytari 	haha darrius...same question
[13:23]	Rand (rand.linden) 	I suggest commenting on the article
[13:23]	Darrius Gothly 	GMTA Peewee
[13:23]	bob Iwashi 	how bout a section for "half answers"
[13:23]	Amanda Linden 	ha
[13:23]	Jeremy Linden 	Yes, I welcome comments on any articles you find that you think could use some improvement!
[13:23]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Darrius: as far as links in wiki pages. Please correct them in the wiki if you can. If its in a page you can't edit, then you can PM me
[13:23]	Darrius Gothly 	For example, the Wiki page on Search. It has links that go to blogs that no longer exist. Do you get notices about comments on those wiki pages?
[13:24]	Amanda Linden 	there's so much out of date on the wiki.
[13:24]	Catwise Yoshikawa 	not everyone have the rank to comment :p
[13:24]	Amanda Linden 	we're gonna start a wiki clean up soon.... (just a side note)
[13:24]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Darrius: not in general.... unless we have a watch on a certain page
[13:24]	Darrius Gothly 	I can edit the Wiki but ... I have no idea where the old blogs went to.
[13:24]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	i'll get the dustbin lids then amanda
[13:24]	Amanda Linden 	/me head goes dingdingding
[13:24]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Old blogs are in the CP archive
[13:25]	Rand (rand.linden) 	http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Blog-Archive/ct-p/BlogsArchive
[13:25]	Amanda Linden 	yep, and still avail in search
[13:25]	Darrius Gothly 	/me opts for the lazy way out .. and PMs the URL to Rand. heheheh
[13:25]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Yes, unfortunately all old links to old blogs appear to be broken.
[13:25]	Darrius Gothly 	TY Rand.
[13:25]	Peewee Musytari 	is there some sort of special age verification needed for residents that join under 18 and then turn 18?...cos they all seem to post that they age verify and still can`t change maturity rating from G?
[13:26]	Rand (rand.linden) 	I am actually working on cleaning up the wiki (time permitting)
[13:26]	Jeremy Linden 	Peewee, as far as I know, the transition should be automatic. Terrence Linden would know more (his user group is right after this one).
[13:27]	Rand (rand.linden) 	See https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LLO_Article_Survey_for_Community_Platform_Migration for example
[13:27]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	terry is still here? i thought he;d gotten the old proverbial heave-ho wuith all the others
[13:27]	Peewee Musytari 	ok I might go along to that cos something isn`t working right :)
[13:27]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	They used to have to submit a ticket
[13:27]	Peewee Musytari 	yeah I send them all to create tickets but then they say there isn`t one and it gets confusing
[13:27]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	all the good un's like kate, teeple, plexus, archy, kate, joppa, harrym housem, them lot from that ther breighton office
[13:28]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Peewee that is a good point. I do see that type of thread coming up more often
[13:28]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	They used to get notified but I wonder if that has changed now that it's not the big upheaval it used to be
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	hey guys, i suggest that you go to the teens user group.
[13:28]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Behave!
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	that terrence runs. that's a great topic for him.
[13:28]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	oi! i'm no ruddy teen!
[13:28]	Peewee Musytari 	kk will go see terence ..ty :)
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	he's looking at that transition for teens from 17 to 18
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	fab. :) he's really the best person to hear your thoughts.
[13:29]	Amanda Linden 	plus, i heard his UG is ossm. haven't attended yet, but hope to soon.
[13:29]	Cummere Mayo 	yeah transition form 16 on hold accounts to 17 accounts isnt working either
[13:29]	Amanda Linden 	yeah, anotehr one for terrence.
[13:29]	Amanda Linden 	we're working out kinks, for sure.
[13:29]	Amanda Linden 	ok, anything else on kb?
[13:29]	Cummere Mayo 	actually yeah
[13:29]	Amanda Linden 	sure
[13:30]	Cummere Mayo 	kb still says to file an appeal for abuse report issues... theres no longer an appeal ticket
[13:30]	Cummere Mayo 	can we please get that updated to whatever the new procedure is asap?
[13:30]	Cummere Mayo 	sorry to be picky but thats a major one
[13:30]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Cummere - Do you have the URL where KB states that
[13:31]	Cummere Mayo 	not off the top of my head no...
[13:31]	Marianne McCann 	(This crashing thing is gettign old)
[13:31]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Jeremy ^^^
[13:31]	Jeremy Linden 	I'll look into it.
[13:31]	Rand (rand.linden) 	thx
[13:31]	Amanda Linden 	thanks jeremy
[13:31]	Peewee Musytari 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Why_is_my_account_on_hold
[13:31]	Amanda Linden 	anything else?
[13:31]	Cummere Mayo 	its wrong everywhere actually, kb, wiki, even the notifications
[13:32]	Amanda Linden 	ok, then.
[13:32]	Peewee Musytari 	they can`t login to create a ticket if they are banned
[13:32]	Amanda Linden 	time for my update on adult and lgbt private forums....
[13:32]	Amanda Linden 	i have good news and bad news.
[13:32]	Mags Indigo 	/me holds her breath
[13:32]	Amanda Linden 	good news is that we can start an LGBT private forum.
[13:32]	Mags Indigo 	but...
[13:33]	Peewee Musytari 	bad news no one is allowed in
[13:33]	Peewee Musytari 	lol
[13:33]	Mags Indigo 	lmao
[13:33]	Amanda Linden 	blondin is the community person on my team that runs the LGBT community...
[13:33]	Dresden Ceriano 	lol
[13:33]	Deltango Vale 	hahahaha
[13:33]	Venus Petrov 	lol
[13:33]	Darrius Gothly 	LOL
[13:33]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	ha!
[13:33]	Deltango Vale 	hahahahaha
[13:33]	Amanda Linden 	lots of cool stuff happening on the gay archipeligo, etc.
[13:33]	Amanda Linden 	so, contact him if you want to be involved. he's taking the lead there.
[13:33]	Mags Indigo 	kk
[13:33]	Mags Indigo 	will do
[13:33]	Amanda Linden 	ok, and on the bad news site.
[13:33]	Dresden Ceriano 	cool
[13:33]	Amanda Linden 	side.
[13:33]	Venus Petrov 	and the bad news?
[13:33]	Amanda Linden 	we cannot have a private forum for adult general.
[13:33]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	boo
[13:33]	Venus Petrov 	why not please?
[13:33]	Mags Indigo 	then IU can talk to like orientated per... I mean people
[13:33]	Marianne McCann 	Why is LGBT private?
[13:33]	Scylla Rhiadra 	/me nods, unsurprised
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	i've run it up the flagpole and it was a no.
[13:34]	Venus Petrov 	reason?
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	the same reason why that's a no is why LGBT is private.
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	we do not have age verification on the platform.
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	and it would take quite a bit to do.
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	we have to keep these areas G rated.
[13:34]	Cummere Mayo 	even using the way i suggested?
[13:34]	Dresden Ceriano 	because gays are pervs don't you know?
[13:34]	Venus Petrov 	but we were asking for a private adult forum
[13:34]	Mags Indigo 	it's kinda obvious at this stage that LL are a wee bit embarassed that there are people in SL who have adult 'needs and kinks'
[13:34]	Dresden Ceriano 	=P
[13:34]	Mags Indigo 	and are gay
[13:34]	Mags Indigo 	too
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	if we do a private forum, then blondin can ensure that lbgt folks are age verified.
[13:34]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Amanda, LGBTI is a pretty broad category . . . what qualifies one to get in, or as relevant discussion there?
[13:35]	Venus Petrov 	same would be the case for a private adult forum
[13:35]	Darrius Gothly 	Ahhh .. so the assumption is that the number of applicants to the LGBT private forum will be small enough to be manageable manually. But the Private adult forum will have too many?
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	i see where you're coming from venus--i do.
[13:35]	Mags Indigo 	do I need a letter from my doctor to prove I'm gay?
[13:35]	Venus Petrov 	only age-verified gain entrance
[13:35]	Dresden Ceriano 	not all gays are adult
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	but, the answer coming down is no.
[13:35]	Cummere Mayo 	how far up is that answer coming from amanda?
[13:35]	Marianne McCann 	I would think it's gona be a bit of an issue. With LGBT people pushing for greater legitimacy in society, the forums will be saying "your devients, go stay in here." no?
[13:35]	Peewee Musytari 	can`t we talk straight adult in the LGBT one?
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	and all lgbt participants in the forum will be age verified.
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	i'm sorry guys--that's the decision today. it may change over time.
[13:36]	Deltango Vale 	Upon reflection, was it wise to let kids into SL? It seems their presence on the main grid is a major constraint on the whole of SL.
[13:36]	Dresden Ceriano 	exactly marianne
[13:36]	Mags Indigo 	in case we 'convert' the little ones?
[13:36]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	You really need to get your communications about the LGBT forum spot on or you're in for a world of hurt.
[13:36]	Venus Petrov 	ok, so one way to manage would be for non LGBT to get into that forum
[13:36]	Marianne McCann 	<eanwhile, adult talk would be... well... adult, regardless of partner
[13:36]	Venus Petrov 	i really do not care what the forum is called
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	well, we're not going to ask if you're straight or gay ot get into the forum.
[13:36]	Peewee Musytari 	can we joi LGBT and then suddenly turn straight without getting kicked out?
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:36]	Marianne McCann 	I mean, "T" alone is not "I want the sex0rs now"
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	you just have to be adult verified.
[13:36]	Venus Petrov 	ok, that's the way in
[13:36]	Venus Petrov 	thank you Amanda
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:36]	Cummere Mayo 	if the lgbt forum has to be age verified but still cant be adult... youre in for a world of bad publicity for discrimination
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	figured you would see it that way (hoped)
[13:37]	Mags Indigo 	/me sighs
[13:37]	Mags Indigo 	yeah thanks Amanda
[13:37]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	Would it not be better to reverse the streams as it were... teens are going to be a smaller group and to disallow them from access .. Iunderstand that the main forums need to be G in rating .. but access and work time etc
[13:37]	Mags Indigo 	not your fault that LL is a bit nuts
[13:37]	Scylla Rhiadra 	I think I'd like to object to the idea of using a LGBT forum as a sort of covert adult forum, people . . .
[13:37]	Venus Petrov 	That's fine.
[13:37]	Scylla Rhiadra 	It should be for what it has been created: LGBT
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	cummere--regardless ofw hether a forum is public or private, the community guidelines still aplly.
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	apply
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	so, keep that in mind.
[13:37]	Cummere Mayo 	yeah...
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	if a comment gets reported, then it will be looked at by mods.
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	we'll see how it goes....
[13:38]	Cummere Mayo 	so im seeing a discrimination issue there
[13:38]	Second Life 	Items successfully shared.
[13:38]	Cummere Mayo 	not blaming you amanda
[13:38]	Cummere Mayo 	but pointing it out
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	i'm sorry you see it that way.
[13:38]	Deltango Vale 	BTW, I have attempted three times to be adult verified. System takes the info and does...nothing.
[13:38]	Ann Otoole 	so everyone that wants to be in the LGBT forum has to have been tagged and placed in the aristotle system?
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	yeah, adult verification is an issue that we are working on
[13:38]	Marianne McCann 	I have to ide with Cummere.
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	again terrence is your contact on that.
[13:38]	Peewee Musytari 	is account verified ok or does it need to be age verified?
[13:38]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	You've gotta be kidding, they have to be Aristotle verified or account verified?
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	again, this is a decision that we can revisit over time.
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	but, it was a decision over my head.
[13:39]	Marianne McCann 	Question: Why is there an LGBT forum at all? If it's adult content it's adult content
[13:39]	Cummere Mayo 	amanda, easy way to do verification... set up all accounts with a password for a private forum. the password gets emailed only when you age verify
[13:39]	Dresden Ceriano 	i'm sure we will
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:39]	Marianne McCann 	why the division?
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	division?
[13:39]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Mari, I don't think that everyone who is LGBT would agree that "adult is adult"
[13:40]	Darrius Gothly 	I'm going on record as being extremely disappointed in the prudish and victorian morals being enforced on the SL Forums. The reduction of the "maturity level" to elementary school level, while assuring a "clean" perception, so discourages open conversation as to further dilute the usefulness of the Forums.
[13:40]	Mags Indigo 	/me gets confused
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	i undersatnd where you're all coming from and sensitive to the issues.
[13:40]	Marianne McCann 	Oh, I agree too, Scylla. But I don't understand why there's an "adult" forum that needs to have verification, and an LGBT one that requires it
[13:40]	Cummere Mayo 	we.ll theres always sluniverse
[13:40]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	Darrius ... in defence of LL here, they are trying to cover a lot of age groups and cultures, that is never easy
[13:40]	Venus Petrov 	while a blog feature on jiggly bits is all over the place..laughs
[13:40]	Scylla Rhiadra 	I'll agree with Darrius, but I want to applaud the decision to create and LGBT forum. I think that's a great move
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	the adult community is vibrant and important to us. no question (regardless of whether someone identifies as LBGT or not)
[13:40]	Mags Indigo 	ahhh Ciaran LL wants the world to think that SL is full of happy smiling innocent god fearing clean living people
[13:40]	Mags Indigo 	just like the american dream - but cleaner
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	however, this has to do with a g-rated public forum.
[13:41]	Scylla Rhiadra 	And yes, sorry, Mari. I get what you mean now
[13:41]	Venus Petrov 	laughs Mags
[13:41]	Cummere Mayo 	being lgbt shouldbnt mean you have to verify just to say youre lgbt thats flying right in the face of civil rights
[13:41]	Marianne McCann 	It seems like a duplication of efforts. Being LGBT should be viewed in a similar light to not being such.
[13:41]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	LL's maturity ratings are bizarre, World of Warcraft openly has smutty innuendo and references to alcohol and that's for thirteen year olds
[13:41]	Venus Petrov 	does a G-rated site include a blog on jiggly bits? laughs
[13:41]	Amanda Linden 	it has to do with the forum, not that you have to verify to be LGBT
[13:41]	Second Life 	Entering god mode, level 150
[13:41]	Darrius Gothly 	Rather than discuss here .. let's discuss in the forums more .. then return to these meetings with a better documented community preference?
[13:41]	Dresden Ceriano 	homosexuals can do g-rated
[13:41]	Amanda Linden 	of course.
[13:41]	Cummere Mayo 	so youre saying talking about being lesbian or gay alone makes it not a g-rated?
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	no, i'm not saying that cummere
[13:42]	Mags Indigo 	/me gets a headache
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	here's waht i'm saying.
[13:42]	Dresden Ceriano 	sounds good to me Darrius
[13:42]	Marianne McCann 	A kiss is a kiss no matter who, so I'm lost understanding why such a forum would need to be hidden *and* separete from other adult rated forums
[13:42]	Cummere Mayo 	no thats what LL is saying amanda... not you
[13:42]	Scylla Rhiadra 	I don't think the new LGBT forum is for a discussion of sexual practices
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	/me takes deep breath
[13:42]	Venus Petrov 	/me hands Mags an aspirin
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	ha
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	ok
[13:42]	Deltango Vale 	Sigh, remembers the painful discussions on this whole, blasted 'adult' policy.
[13:42]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Making the forum require adult verification is going to give the wrong impresion Amanda, you need to relay that to people further up the tree
[13:42]	Mags Indigo 	ta Venus
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	we currently have a system (community platform)
[13:42]	Scylla Rhiadra 	It's surely a place to discuss cultural issues relevant specifically to that community
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	that is g rated. avail on the public internet.
[13:42]	Mags Indigo 	and Scylla if it's not about discussing 'naughty things'
[13:42]	Mags Indigo 	why have it hidden at all?
[13:43]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	I think any issues over sexuality of users is not necessarily something that those who wish to chat in a G rated place would want to talk about ?
[13:43]	Venus Petrov 	agree, Mags
[13:43]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Well, I wouldn't hide it myself
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	there are aspects of second life, such as adult activities, that are not appropriate for g rated areas?
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	right?
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	can we all agree on that.
[13:43]	Mags Indigo 	we can all discuss philosophy and stuff in the G forum
[13:43]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Let Amanda talk pls?
[13:43]	Mags Indigo 	can't we?
[13:43]	Peewee Musytari 	if the LGBT forum is for adult content why is it locked at all?
[13:43]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	any type of sexuality
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	ok.
[13:43]	Ann Otoole 	take it to the blogs out on the internet. Amanda can't change anything. She is just relaying the info.
[13:43]	Cummere Mayo 	and a lgbt forum that doesnt discuss nuaghty things somehow is anything other then g rated?
[13:43]	Peewee Musytari 	*isn`t
[13:43]	Marianne McCann 	/me agrees
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	hey guys, hang on one min, k?
[13:43]	Mags Indigo 	sorry
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	i know that this is a hot topic. excuse the pun
[13:43]	Dresden Ceriano 	i'd rather see no glbt forum then one that hides us in the attic like ugly step children
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	ok
[13:43]	Mags Indigo 	I'm a bit miffed
[13:43]	Jeremy Linden 	Side-note back to an earlier topic: I've just learned that the current ticket type used for appeals is "Reactivate an old account" or "Second Lifeweb login issues". Both go to appeals. You can file either ticket type as a guest, as long as you have an email address. I'll update the KB as soon as I can. :-)
[13:43]	Darrius Gothly 	Totally straight but very adult non-sexual topic. Marital "infidelity" .. re: RL married people having SL relationships.
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	thanks jeremy
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	ok.
[13:44]	Amanda Linden 	you're welcome to talk about relationships, etc. on the forums today.
[13:44]	Amanda Linden 	g rated things...
[13:44]	Peewee Musytari 	ahh thats the section I emailed u about jeremy lol
[13:44]	Amanda Linden 	marriage, etc.
[13:44]	Cummere Mayo 	jeremy if youre talking to them, could you kindly ask them to just readd the appeal ticket and make it FAR LESS confusing?
[13:44]	Peewee Musytari 	PM`d
[13:44]	Amanda Linden 	but, if adults want to have an adult conversation, then it just can't happen on the forums as they stand today.
[13:44]	Venus Petrov 	not entirely but *laughs* won't go there
[13:44]	Dresden Ceriano 	well as long as i can talk about g-rated gay things i'm fine with posting in the regular forum
[13:44]	Cummere Mayo 	and being lesbian or gay is adult?
[13:44]	Amanda Linden 	lgbt community will also have to keep their conversations clean in the private forum.
[13:44]	Darrius Gothly 	*sigh* And therein lay my biggest disappointment Amanda.
[13:45]	Cummere Mayo 	if they have to stay clean why do they have to age verify?
[13:45]	Amanda Linden 	because them's the rules.
[13:45]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Hmmm . . . ok, good questions
[13:45]	Mags Indigo 	/me wonders this too Cummere
[13:45]	Ann Otoole 	So someone at LL thinks gay means sex? no clue about discussing gay friendly venues etc.? makes a lot of sense actually.
[13:45]	Peewee Musytari 	thats the part I don`t understand amanda...if you tell the LGBT that they need to be age verified to get in that forum and the act G rated when they are in there, isn`t that just a contradiction?
[13:45]	Amanda Linden 	although, we might do a private forum on lgbt teens, not out of the question. in fact, a great idea.
[13:45]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	It's amazing considering where LL is based
[13:46]	Cummere Mayo 	amanda please inform your bosses ill be happy to forward this transcript to many many lgbt advocacy groups
[13:45]	Darrius Gothly 	Amanda? Would you please format up and post a concise set of "Rules and Conditions" about the new LGBT Forum and how it must be used please?
[13:45]	Peewee Musytari 	there is not point having any age verified forums if they all have to be g rated
[13:45]	Amanda Linden 	blondin is owrking on it and he's your best contact there.
[13:46]	Amanda Linden 	i see where you're coming from peewee.
[13:46]	Dresden Ceriano 	i'll join it but i will not keep my horrible gayness out of the regular forum either... frankly i find this a huge insult
[13:46]	Mags Indigo 	and what will be 'different' about it in order for it to warrent being age verified
[13:46]	Ann Otoole 	I would just hate to see everyone I know that is LGBT suddenly quit because they don't want to be outed irl via a data breach or sinister tin foil plot at the government hip joined aristotle thing.
[13:46]	Cummere Mayo 	as well as why you have to be age verfied to use a g rated forum
[13:46]	Darrius Gothly 	I think the details are getting lost in the discussion today. And they're very important details IMHO.
[13:46]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	Darrius, I would guess it's all about context ( as it should be)
[13:46]	Venus Petrov 	Dres, please do NOT keep your gayness out of the forum
[13:46]	Amanda Linden 	we're doing this to support the lgbt community. is it hte private part that you guys are upset about or the age verification part?
[13:46]	Cummere Mayo 	both
[13:46]	Scylla Rhiadra 	I think the combination, Amanda
[13:46]	Madeliefste Oh 	and why do you need to lock out young gays or lesbo's when the conversation must still be G rated?
[13:46]	Dresden Ceriano 	the private part
[13:47]	Dresden Ceriano 	the age veerification part
[13:47]	Amanda Linden 	ok, let's address private part first.
[13:47]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Why can't they be supported in the existing forums?
[13:47]	Cummere Mayo 	the age verification part if its suppsoed to be grated
[13:47]	Peewee Musytari 	well it is saying that being LGBT is X rated regardless of content if you make them age verify
[13:47]	Cummere Mayo 	because that says to me that being glbt is taboo and unwelcome
[13:47]	Dresden Ceriano 	right
[13:47]	Amanda Linden 	all residents are welcome to post in teh public forums and talk lgbt or straight relationships, etc.
[13:47]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Exactly Peewee
[13:47]	Amanda Linden 	that's just life in SF.
[13:47]	Mags Indigo 	ok - if the Private LGBT forum was to talk about the 'adult' = sex aspects of LGBT (god knows why) then I could see the reason for a seperate age verified forum
[13:47]	Dresden Ceriano 	exactly
[13:47]	Amanda Linden 	SL
[13:47]	Scylla Rhiadra 	The only point to "private" I can see is for those who don't want to be publicly identified as LGBT
[13:47]	Vernes Veranes 	heated discussion is rapid discussion. Can't read this fast O_o
[13:47]	Mags Indigo 	but if it has to be kept 'clean'
[13:47]	Mags Indigo 	ummm - why private?
[13:48]	Amanda Linden 	but, there are many people that want the LGBT forum private to discuss very specific issues about LGBT.
[13:48]	Darrius Gothly 	+5 Scylla
[13:48]	Amanda Linden 	and i assume that it will be more indepth than what's public.
[13:48]	Cummere Mayo 	if its to be kept private fine... keep it private but why age verification?
[13:48]	Peewee Musytari 	make the LGBT one public and with the same rules as the rest and there is no discrimination
[13:48]	Dresden Ceriano 	how would you know that, amanda?
[13:48]	Amanda Linden 	we're creating a space where folks can have a litlte more private.
[13:48]	Amanda Linden 	and can discuss things a bit more freely
[13:48]	Amanda Linden 	so, this is all in an effor tto support this community.
[13:48]	Cummere Mayo 	you dont need age verification for that though
[13:48]	Scylla Rhiadra 	How much more freely?
[13:48]	Mags Indigo 	but not sex or pervy suff
[13:48]	Ann Otoole 	I thought the forum had to be clean everywhere all the time.
[13:48]	Amanda Linden 	right mags.
[13:48]	Dresden Ceriano 	i understand that
[13:49]	Cummere Mayo 	so if no sex why age verified?
[13:49]	Mags Indigo 	but have deep philosophical discussions that would disturb ordinary folk and -18s
[13:49]	Ann Otoole 	as in the basic profile of LL's forum is a business meeting.
[13:49]	Amanda Linden 	it does, but lbgt is more than sex. i
[13:49]	Amanda Linden 	of course
[13:49]	Dresden Ceriano 	i'm still against it being private
[13:49]	Cummere Mayo 	im totally against the age verification
[13:49]	Amanda Linden 	re: the age veriifcation i see wehre you're coming from.
[13:49]	Darrius Gothly 	But if the only "requirement" is to be old enough .. many bigots are old enough too. They can still get into the LGBT Private Forum and out people just to cause hurt and pain.
[13:49]	Dresden Ceriano 	that too
[13:49]	Cummere Mayo 	and i really know several groups that would be too
[13:49]	Amanda Linden 	and, i hear you.
[13:49]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	You're making a rod for your own back here, how many other communities are going to want a private forum?
[13:49]	Cummere Mayo 	and lets be honest LL cannot afford more bad publicity
[13:50]	Dresden Ceriano 	that too lord
[13:50]	Mags Indigo 	ummm this is SL folks 'outing' shouldn't be an issue seeing as how there's no way to even know grnder
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	we can create the forum with teens, but that means it has to be super clean.
[13:50]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Amanda, maybe you and LL can rethink this one, and represent it?
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	super super clean.
[13:50]	Mags Indigo 	not to mind orientation
[13:50]	Peewee Musytari 	I just think ur opening a can or worms making it private and they get in there and find its G rated and wonder why it is hidden at all
[13:50]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	why not have an adult forum where the teens cannot access rather than asking for verification from everyone else? (I know I am being mardy) There are less teens than other groups in sl and the fora could have caveats etc
[13:50]	bob Iwashi 	bad publcicity?
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	i can rethink it. but, do can you keep it clean enough so that a 13 year old can read it?
[13:50]	Cummere Mayo 	amanda thats it... youre still being prejudiced
[13:50]	bob Iwashi 	i won;t name the alterantives buti understand they're booming
[13:50]	Mags Indigo 	that cute lesbo I have my eye on is possibly Marvin from the truckers assoc having a wee break from the wife and kids
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	this is about policy. only.
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne 	it would need moderation
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	personally, i'm as liberal and loving as they come.
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne 	if you let kids in you have to moderate
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne 	always
[13:51]	Scylla Rhiadra 	if a 13 year old doesn't need to "protected" from the idea of same sex relationships, I think it can be kept clean enough for the main forums
[13:51]	bob Iwashi 	pffft
[13:51]	Darrius Gothly 	And our point is .. Policy in this case is very short-sighted.
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	seriously, i went to vassar and i live in san francisco. :)
[13:51]	Cummere Mayo 	you is not personal amanda
[13:51]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	welcome back again Mari
[13:51]	Cummere Mayo 	amanda you in this case is LL not you personal
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne 	scylla its not about what you think its about liability
[13:51]	Mags Indigo 	and the forums are for 16+ so surely no issues there
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	kk, thanks for clarification.
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne 	thats the theme
[13:51]	Cummere Mayo 	please dont see what im saying as a personal attack
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne 	liability
[13:51]	Marianne McCann 	Thanks... again
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	it's important that you guys know where i am personally.
[13:51]	Scylla Rhiadra 	LGBT is a liability issue? Where?
[13:51]	Vernes Veranes 	Sounds like this topic needs a sequel? Howmuch time do we have left?
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	i want to support this community.
[13:52]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	I agree with you doc
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne 	you bring kids into the mix
[13:52]	bob Iwashi 	i'd liek to see some direct answers to our questionas
[13:52]	Amanda Linden 	ok, i'll rethink age verification.
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne 	someone will sue someone
[13:52]	Mags Indigo 	oh yeah - sorry Amanda and other Lindens present
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne 	its a challenge
[13:52]	Amanda Linden 	you guys convinced me.
[13:52]	Mags Indigo 	I'm not mad at you
[13:52]	Mags Indigo 	just at the world
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne 	of liability
[13:52]	bob Iwashi 	even if you tell us "we gotta go think about it and come back"
[13:52]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Yay Amanda!
[13:52]	Amanda Linden 	see, I'm open!
[13:52]	Venus Petrov 	It sounds like your boss needs to rethink age verification, no?
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne 	Amanda your a good person
[13:52]	Cummere Mayo 	amanda... if you need help with your bosses let us know.
[13:52]	Amanda Linden 	but, we'll just have to keep a super close eye on it and see how it goes.
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne 	no one is saying your not
[13:52]	Amanda Linden 	how'st hat?
[13:52]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	A G rated forum regarding LGBT is not a liability
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne 	your being prudent
[13:52]	Darrius Gothly 	We're just giving you lots of hammers to hit your boss with. LOL
[13:52]	Amanda Linden 	private but not age verified.
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne 	I like prudent
[13:52]	Cummere Mayo 	that i can live with amanda :)
[13:52]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Sounds good Amanda
[13:52]	Amanda Linden 	good start?
[13:52]	Peewee Musytari 	maybe Blondin should run it by Fabrice or rest of GA and see what they would consider to be discriminating
[13:52]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	Thats a great result I think!
[13:52]	Mags Indigo 	yup - that sounds better
[13:53]	draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam) 	it just seems like there was a lack of forethought and unwillingness to admit it is disconcerting on the whole topic of the limitations of the forum, if not other things
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	you guys were very persuasive.
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:53]	Venus Petrov 	private, not age-verified, and 'Mature'
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	not mature, unfortunately.
[13:53]	Mags Indigo 	/me thinks Venus is pushing now...
[13:53]	Scylla Rhiadra 	lol
[13:53]	Mags Indigo 	...as usual
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:53]	Dresden Ceriano 	lol
[13:53]	Marianne McCann 	The best support, IMO, would be ab equal footing. If I can say "I've two dads" on the regular forum," then there's no need for hiding away LGBT, I think.
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	whew, ok.
[13:53]	Doctor Gascoigne 	rome was not built in a day folks
[13:53]	Venus Petrov 	and i will continue
[13:53]	Doctor Gascoigne 	we are on new ground
[13:53]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	heeh Venus
[13:53]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Agreed Mari
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	so, contact blondin and let's get it going!
[13:54]	Dresden Ceriano 	will do
[13:54]	Amanda Linden 	kk, cool.
[13:54]	Amanda Linden 	whew.
[13:54]	Scylla Rhiadra 	I can see some benefit to "private" . . . but honestly, I think it would be better to have it on the main boards
[13:54]	Doctor Gascoigne 	great meeting Amanda
[13:54]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	age verificaqtion blows
[13:54]	Dresden Ceriano 	but it's not over
[13:54]	Cummere Mayo 	amanda how far above you do we have to go to get the idea of an adult forum unblocked?
[13:54]	Amanda Linden 	ok, we're almost done and there are a few more things.
[13:54]	Venus Petrov 	i agree, Scylla
[13:54]	Amanda Linden 	raymond already updated on the evening mod.
[13:54]	Venus Petrov 	there is nothing to push under the rug
[13:54]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	amanda: this is my 1st meeting here and i'm sorry to say i am unimpressed
[13:55]	Mags Indigo 	/me looks at the bump under the rug and wonders...
[13:55]	Doctor Gascoigne 	very nice ding
[13:55]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	ymmv ding :)
[13:55]	Amanda Linden 	ok, ceriano, looking at your add.
[13:55]	Doctor Gascoigne 	please come again
[13:55]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	every question seems to be only met by a hlaf answer, and from a drirector of communication,. we seem to have very littlecommunication
[13:55]	Venus Petrov 	/me hands Mags another aspirin
[13:55]	Doctor Gascoigne 	perhaps you will be impressed another time
[13:55]	Deltango Vale 	It's my first meeting and I AM impressed.
[13:55]	Amanda Linden 	ok, i see we did that one. raymond's going to check into it.
[13:55]	Doctor Gascoigne 	welcome to an office hour ding
[13:55]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[13:55]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Dunno. This is a bit like every office hour I've ever been to
[13:55]	Dresden Ceriano 	we did
[13:55]	Mags Indigo 	you're trying to give me a stomach bleed now?
[13:55]	Dresden Ceriano 	thanks
[13:55]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	what Doc said
[13:55]	Amanda Linden 	new products forum.
[13:55]	Venus Petrov 	laughs
[13:55]	Doctor Gascoigne 	see
[13:56]	Peewee Musytari 	yes
[13:56]	Doctor Gascoigne 	thanks torb
[13:56]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	ding, perhaps you need to give them a little bit more of a chance than the one session :)
[13:56]	Peewee Musytari 	new products yay
[13:56]	Darrius Gothly 	YES ... new products forum. Please!
[13:56]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Ding what gets said here gets relayed, the Linden's are walking on eggshells and have to be careful what they say
[13:56]	Doctor Gascoigne 	new avatars
[13:56]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	i have been here, in one account or aother
[13:56]	Amanda Linden 	i'm staying a little longer...to get to the last two items.
[13:56]	Doctor Gascoigne 	so refreshing
[13:56]	Marianne McCann 	What Toxic said
[13:56]	Amanda Linden 	let's explore it and come back next week. i like the idea.
[13:56]	Dresden Ceriano 	thanks amanda
[13:56]	Deltango Vale 	BUT, because of RL, this will be my ONLY meeting. I just got lucky with the timing tonight.
[13:56]	Peewee Musytari 	kewl ty amanda
[13:56]	Doctor Gascoigne 	no whining is allowed
[13:56]	Amanda Linden 	sure thing.
[13:56]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	i can say this, whereas the lindens can't: sl has gone down the pan since that *person* culled 33.3&% of them
[13:56]	Venus Petrov 	glad you could make it Del
[13:56]	Doctor Gascoigne 	I havea motto you dislike something enough get INVOLVED
[13:56]	Darrius Gothly 	Do you accept bribes to "promote" the idea Amanda?
[13:56]	Amanda Linden 	and, new feature request for sl viewer.
[13:56]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Del, time for a new Off Topics thread?
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	ah, mari, there's a viewer evolution user group that you should go to.
[13:57]	Deltango Vale 	Fora-based usergroups?
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	oz is your contact for new feature requests.
[13:57]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	and you wonder why people leave, and use *other worlds*
[13:57]	Marianne McCann 	"Be the change" Doc
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	so, give your feedback to oz and that team.
[13:57]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Yep, and specifically LGBTI
[13:57]	Marianne McCann 	/me winks
[13:57]	Mags Indigo 	they do??
[13:57]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	when nowadays, sl seems to be "yes-men"
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	whew, got through it with two mins to spare.
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	anything else?
[13:57]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	no dingding
[13:57]	Peewee Musytari 	wtg amanda lol
[13:58]	Mags Indigo 	/me thinks ding has a 'former agenda'
[13:58]	Peewee Musytari 	speed typing
[13:58]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	ding you should see me on twitter, I give LL a hard time, but i notice the good as well - give them a chance
[13:58]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Yes women too, Dingding!
[13:58]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Events and new products forum please
[13:58]	Doctor Gascoigne 	yes furries
[13:58]	Amanda Linden 	thanks tox, we're trying.
[13:58]	Marianne McCann 	Can do, Amanda. I've been and it's, uh... aa little depressing. But I'll give it another shot
[13:58]	Marianne McCann 	/me grins
[13:58]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Yes furries, yes robots . . .
[13:58]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Events Forum?
[13:58]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	can we get back to the days of linden staff mixign freely with residents? go back to wen we used to see you guys, laugh with you, joke with youi
[13:58]	Amanda Linden 	events does have a forum, don't we?
[13:58]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	it shows, be strong, you are making up ground.
[13:58]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Yes for posting events, where with moderation we won't have the spam city we have in the events system inworld and website
[13:58]	Doctor Gascoigne 	events has a whole office hour
[13:58]	Amanda Linden 	and it's good. attended last week after our meeting.
[13:58]	Doctor Gascoigne 	be there or be square
[13:58]	Amanda Linden 	yep!
[13:58]	Doctor Gascoigne 	its 1st thurs of the month
[13:58]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	i freely give credit for good, beleive me
[13:59]	Amanda Linden 	yeah, the events system is in teh works.
[13:59]	Amanda Linden 	it's tough to use now, i know.
[13:59]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	99.9% of the lindens aer really lovely people
[13:59]	Doctor Gascoigne 	99%
[13:59]	Cummere Mayo 	/me likes events usergroup.... wished profiles was more like it... actually i wish profiles would just plain show up
[13:59]	Amanda Linden 	attend that user group, for sure.
[13:59]	Mags Indigo 	oh ding that's a bit too high
[13:59]	Marianne McCann 	/me wants Crap Mariner's "Click The Clock" for events
[13:59]	Cummere Mayo 	um amanda quick side note...
[13:59]	Ann Otoole 	is destination guide part of community tools? how to report places in dest guide that no longer exist? need a report button on that page or something.
[13:59]	Amanda Linden 	destination guide is part of events, weirdly.
[13:59]	Ann Otoole 	okies
[13:59]	Cummere Mayo 	whats the use of profiles having an office hour if they cant be bothered to show up?
[13:59]	Doctor Gascoigne 	destination guide is a great thing
[13:59]	Amanda Linden 	but, i talked to brett just today about doing a destination guide user group.
[14:00]	Amanda Linden 	funny that you mention int ann. :) great minds.
[14:00]	Ann Otoole 	lol
[14:00]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	You need to liberate your forums to allow people to promote SL
[14:00]	Amanda Linden 	no one showed up for profiles UG?
[14:00]	Amanda Linden 	sorry about that.
[14:00]	Amanda Linden 	we're redoing the UG's a bit (since we had a reorg) you'll see some changes to that page soon.
[14:00]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	99.9 % bottles of beer on the wall
[14:00]	Ann Otoole 	oddly people in the LL forum are generally already customers.
[14:00]	Scylla Rhiadra 	lol
[14:01]	Doctor Gascoigne 	lol
[14:01]	Amanda Linden 	yep, mostly super users in the forums.
[14:01]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Well, I'm not . . .
[14:01]	Dresden Ceriano 	lol
[14:01]	Peewee Musytari 	how did that happen?
[14:01]	Peewee Musytari 	lol
[14:01]	Amanda Linden 	:)ok, think were' done....
[14:01]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Thanks Amanda
[14:01]	Amanda Linden 	next week. same bat time, same bat channel.
[14:01]	Ann Otoole 	thanks for the time :)
[14:01]	Raymond Linden 	Thanks all
[14:01]	Amanda Linden 	thanks everyone. ossm meeting today.
[14:01]	Peewee Musytari 	people will start thinking there is a connection between the forums and SL next
[14:01]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	This was a good meeting ㋡
[14:01]	Dresden Ceriano 	thank you
[14:01]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Cheers guys
[14:01]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	Do you have a way of allowing new users into a certain section on the forum for a set length of time .. that would help acclimatise them
[14:01]	Mags Indigo 	kk thanks Amanda and Linden people
[14:01]	Amanda Linden 	glad we hammered out the forum stuff.
[14:01]	Venus Petrov 	Amanda, just one comment. Mods are not sending PMs when posts are pulled..reasons why.
[14:02]	Amanda Linden 	they are welcome to come into the forums and participate.
[14:02]	Amanda Linden 	anyone with a username/password can participate in teh forums/platform.
[14:02]	Marianne McCann 	Sadly, crashes left me missing a lot of what I wanted t'hear about, b ut such is digital life!
[14:02]	Amanda Linden 	but, they often don't.
[14:02]	Peewee Musytari 	great meeting thanks amanda, lexie, raymond, jeremey, rand :)
[14:02]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Thanks for all your feedback and for standing up for what you think is important! Good stuff
[14:02]	Peewee Musytari 	oops terence has started...gotta run lol
[14:02]	Amanda Linden 	we are working on creating more for them.... marketing to them more effectively with the resources avail.
[14:02]	Darrius Gothly 	All in all .. agreed. Good meeting. Lots of "food for thought" .. for next week.
[14:02]	Amanda Linden 	might be a great topic for our next meeting.
[14:02]	Venus Petrov 	my understanding was that they always would
[14:02]	Scylla Rhiadra 	thanks for the move on an LGBT forum, even if it has been imperfectly thought out . . . it's a move in the right direction, I think
[14:02]	Amanda Linden 	how to better market to new users and get them part of the community faster.
[14:02]	Peewee Musytari 	bye all till next week :)
[14:02]	Amanda Linden 	you guys want to brainstorm ont aht one?
[14:03]	Venus Petrov 	OK, that's fine. I will just ask ..always. ㋡
[14:03]	Amanda Linden 	i would love it personally
[14:03]	Tox (toxic.menges) 	im all for that one
[14:03]	Marianne McCann 	Would totally love that
[14:03]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	sure
[14:03]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	oh aMABNDA!
[14:03]	Amanda Linden 	ossm. i could really use your help!
[14:03]	Darrius Gothly 	Start a topic Venus. I'm sure it will get some good activity.
[14:03]	Cummere Mayo 	amanda if yould talk to me sometime i could definately give you ideas
[14:03]	Amanda Linden 	i need all the points i can get.
[14:03]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	1 MOER POUINT!
[14:03]	Amanda Linden 	wait, is ding giving me points?
[14:03]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	1 issue i wanted to bring up, nothing bad
[14:03]	Mags Indigo 	kudos even?
[14:03]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	more point!
[14:03]	Amanda Linden 	thanks cummere.
[14:03]	Cummere Mayo 	trouble is getting LL staffed enough to implement them
[14:03]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Not kudos?
[14:03]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Hey, how do I get my kudos removed, btw?
[14:04]	Venus Petrov 	on moderation? no thanks lol
[14:04]	Mags Indigo 	pi** people off enough and that should work
[14:04]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	the mainland sim, infohub, "boardroom"
[14:04]	Scylla Rhiadra 	Oh, that's not hard! I can do that
[14:04]	Doctor Gascoigne 	everything needs moderation
[14:04]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	bye all
[14:04]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	totally in the wrong palce maybe
[14:04]	Darrius Gothly 	No .. on when posts gets pulled .. what is and is not a reason to send a PM about it.
[14:04]	Amanda Linden 	bye all.... :)
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