Bug triage/2008-08-20/Transcript

* [15:04] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: Alrighty then...
* [15:04] Bambers Linden: (but sorry Joeseph)
* [15:04] Joeseph Albanese: it happens lol
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: shall we dive in?
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: First up, # VWR-2233[c
* [15:04] Alexa Linden: no one touches anyone or I'll pull this car over
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: are we there yet?
* [15:04] Garn Conover: howls
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2233
* [15:05] Joeseph Albanese: I gotta go to the bathroom
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: Welcome Garn
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: lol
* [15:05] Alexa Linden: woofie!
* [15:05] Harleen Gretzky: TMI
* [15:05] Garn Conover: i found a weird one today :)
* [15:05] Squirrel Wood: glod sarts... are they edible?
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: 2233 repro'd for me...
* [15:05] McCabe Maxsted: this one's bugged me for ages
* [15:05] Joeseph Albanese: Better yet can they be cashed in for larger ones
* [15:05] Bambers Linden: only if you're a plumber, Joeseph
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: WElcome Ellla!
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: Kooky! welcome!
* [15:06] McCabe Maxsted: that and the build/fly buttons not enabling even though group role has perissions
* [15:06] Alexa Linden: hey Kooky!
* [15:06] McCabe Maxsted: ahoy ella, kooky
* [15:06] Kooky Jetaime: Hey Ladies
* [15:06] Ellla McMahon: thank you ... hello everyone :))
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: We just got started...
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:06] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2233
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: well, i'd vote for importing - 5 votes seems like a lot these days ;)
* [15:07] Alexa Linden: I agree
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: VWR-1995[c
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1995
* [15:07] Garn Conover: pokes Harleen gently
* [15:08] Alexa Linden: I agree with McCabe's point
* [15:08] Gellan Glenelg: going back to VWR-2233: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4212 is a duplicate, which has a patch and is already imported
* [15:08] Nya Linden: I vote we import 1995. Do we need a QA repro on it or no?
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: And Gellan gets the first Glod Sart of the day!
* [15:09] Gellan Glenelg: glod??
* [15:09] Joeseph Albanese: lol
* [15:09] Alexa Linden: Yay Gellan!
* [15:09] Alexa Linden: changing to dup
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: our spelling has gotten worse Gellan... :0
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: :)
* [15:10] Gellan Glenelg: haha
* [15:10] Bridie Linden: or our typing is more consistent?
* [15:10] Bridie Linden: ::)
* [15:10] Bridie Linden: where is voice chat setting for friends?
* [15:10] Alexa Linden: ok so 1995 to QA for repro
* [15:11] Gellan Glenelg: edit, prefs, voice chat, "Only acceptvoice calls from people on my friends list
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: is blind
* [15:11] Nya Linden: Alexa - we may not need a repro for it. it sounds likes it's got all the info we need. I think just import.
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: thx Gellan
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:12] Alexa Linden: k
* [15:12] Nya Linden: viewer triage
* [15:12] Alexa Linden: ok
* [15:12] Garn Conover: pull the helm up Bridie so its not blockin ya eeys ;)
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: VWR-8613[c
* [15:12] Nya Linden: whoa.. that's not pretty.
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8613
* [15:12] Joeseph Albanese: I have a window that does this 90% of the time its rezzed
* [15:12] Alexa Linden: it's resolved dup
* [15:13] Linden Quintessa: hi
* [15:13] Gellan Glenelg: lots of possible duplicates. My question on this was: should they all be linked to ?
* [15:13] Nya Linden: wow. it's like an earthquake hit those buildings.
* [15:13] Linden Quintessa: hello everybody
* [15:13] Joeseph Albanese: It seems like a render time issue. If it renders in time your good if not it will never rezz fully until you clear cache and relof
* [15:13] Zen Linden: more of a frank gehry building
* [15:14] Nya Linden: hmm... linked to 5647, but not a dup of it.
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: Ha
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: Hmm, I know Qarl did some work ono this recently...we'll have to track down which issue Alexa
* [15:14] Gellan Glenelg: that's what i meant, nya... linking them all to that meta might make it easier to identify future dupes
* [15:15] McCabe Maxsted: I'd pick one to focus on then resolve the rest as dupes, then link to 5647
* [15:15] Bridie Linden: yup
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: Let's keep moving...so others can have a chance @ some glod sarts
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: VWR-4854[c
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4854
* [15:16] Kooky Jetaime: Considering that groups are in the communicate window, isn't that expected behavior?
* [15:17] Bridie Linden: is still trying to parse this one...
* [15:17] Gellan Glenelg: it's strange that chooseing group CLOSES the window
* [15:17] McCabe Maxsted: oh, I was wrong about those numbers. 11 ways to open the floater, 13 ways to close it
* [15:17] Garn Conover: im confused and i have 3 heads
* [15:17] McCabe Maxsted: there's odd inconsistencies with how the communicate floater is toggled
* [15:17] Alexa Linden: lol
* [15:17] McCabe Maxsted: this is one of 'em
* [15:17] Kooky Jetaime: Basically the complaint is the groups button on the Edit Menu, if Groups is already at the forground/active, it will close the iwndow
* [15:17] Kooky Jetaime: er window
* [15:17] Kooky Jetaime: Its old code from when Groups was an independant window
* [15:18] Alexa Linden: what would be the solution?
* [15:18] Kooky Jetaime: From a efficiency standpoint, yank the code, but there must be some reason it hasn't been done yet... or someones just lazy.
* [15:19] McCabe Maxsted: I'd just give the groups window focus; it'd make it consistent with the communicate flyout
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: I see...
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: kooky, would you mind adding a comment
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: Alexa let's import and give to Rx to noodle on
* [15:19] Alexa Linden: and McCabe
* [15:19] Alexa Linden: will do :)
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: Noodle on McCabe?
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: j/k
* [15:20] McCabe Maxsted: touches you all with his noodly appendage
* [15:20] Garn Conover: Nahms!
* [15:20] Alexa Linden: lol
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: suddenly has 'Ramble On' in her head...
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: Rambling right along, next up is from joeseph
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: # VWR-8648[c
* [15:20] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8648
* [15:20] Cummere Mayo: mccabe that jsut gave me many dirty thoughts
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8648
* [15:20] Alexa Linden: Joeseph!
* [15:21] Joeseph Albanese: Yes Maam
* [15:21] Alexa Linden: picking out the BSI group :P
* [15:21] Alexa Linden: lol
* [15:21] Joeseph Albanese: Just you
* [15:21] Alexa Linden: oof!
* [15:21] Kooky Jetaime: BTW, with that group bug, the Friends button does the same thing
* [15:22] Bridie Linden: Zen is this video card related?
* [15:22] Kooky Jetaime: So does the "Local chat" button
* [15:22] Zen Linden: possibly
* [15:22] Bambers Linden: hi zen - didn't spot you there :)
* [15:22] Zen Linden: ati has a habit of borking fonts...
* [15:22] Joeseph Albanese: It's random and I can't figure anything out to make it happen
* [15:22] Zen Linden: but
* [15:22] Zen Linden: this is nvidia
* [15:22] McCabe Maxsted: same thing happen if you use a different font?
* [15:22] Zen Linden: anyone else seeing this in bsi?
* [15:23] Harleen Gretzky: Not me
* [15:23] Gellan Glenelg: not me
* [15:23] Alexa Linden: nope
* [15:23] McCabe Maxsted: knaw; just the bottoms of my letters getting cut off :/
* [15:23] Zen Linden: Hmmm... i say we
* [15:23] Zen Linden: import and let qa
* [15:23] Alexa Linden: ok
* [15:23] Zen Linden: test it on an 8600
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: and diff from this one? https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4572
* [15:24] Harleen Gretzky: and I have nVidia GeForce 7800 GTX, so maybe it takes series 8
* [15:24] Zen Linden: bridie
* [15:24] Zen Linden: yes
* [15:24] McCabe Maxsted: yeah, lookds different
* [15:24] Bridie Linden: kk
* [15:24] Zen Linden: that's the ati issue
* [15:24] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: Next up, then...
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: VWR-7337[c
* [15:25] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7337
* [15:25] Gellan Glenelg: I had this happen to me earlier, but it's not consistent
* [15:25] Garn Conover: Alexa is tellin Bridie to hurry up ;) hehehe
* [15:26] Kooky Jetaime: I don't see this one..
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: is slow copy/paster today...
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: I haven't heard of this one before...
* [15:26] Cummere Mayo: i havent had it happen every time but occasionally
* [15:26] Alexa Linden: me neither
* [15:26] McCabe Maxsted: the dupe has an environment: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8586
* [15:27] Garn Conover: Alexa prbly has a machine made to make it look liek shes workign while she counts her Sart collections
* [15:27] Cummere Mayo: figured it was one fo the memory errors
* [15:27] Alexa Linden: hahahahahah
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: lol
* [15:27] Alexa Linden: I keep them in my bottom drawer
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: 1001, 1002,...
* [15:27] Alexa Linden: lol
* [15:27] Garn Conover: cerberus eye level.. good!
* [15:27] Kooky Jetaime: Cummere - I hate the crash on close memory error!)
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: Can we see if we can get more info on 7337...?
* [15:28] Harleen Gretzky: Isn't this teh same as VWR-8468 that we discussed last week
* [15:28] Alexa Linden: sure
* [15:28] Alexa Linden: yup
* [15:28] Alexa Linden: I can ask if this one is still a problem
* [15:28] Bridie Linden: Harleen are you ahead of us?
* [15:28] Harleen Gretzky: yes, sorry
* [15:28] McCabe Maxsted: it's still occurring in 1.20.15
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: On to VWR-5044[c
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5044
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: is it a dupe of 8468?
* [15:29] Alexa Linden: I'll see if I can get repro steps
* [15:29] Kooky Jetaime: 5044 - is a bug thats been around for awhile
* [15:29] Kooky Jetaime: since pre-Aug )&
* [15:29] Harleen Gretzky: technically 8468 would be a dupe of this
* [15:29] Kooky Jetaime: er 07
* [15:29] Alexa Linden: ya, I can close the older one and make sure all the info is on the main one
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: Great, thx
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: import?
* [15:30] Alexa Linden: will do
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: Let's skip Ramzi's...
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: Which brings us to...
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: VWR-8527[c
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8527
* [15:31] Kooky Jetaime: Bridie - we skipped 5044
* [15:31] Kooky Jetaime: Whoop n/m
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: :)
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: 8527 sounds familiar...
* [15:32] Kooky Jetaime: (Why do we close older reports of bugs and use the newer? SHouldn't we close new ones and always redirect to the older?
* [15:32] McCabe Maxsted: sounds like an older issue that was fixed
* [15:32] Alexa Linden: we keep the older
* [15:32] Alexa Linden: and close the new ones
* [15:33] Kooky Jetaime: ((OK.. it sounded like you were doing the opposite.))
* [15:33] Alexa Linden: and move info to the main one
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: It does McCabe but is a newish issue (newly reported)
* [15:33] Bambers Linden: they're linked so the closed, older ones can be plumbed for more information though
* [15:33] Bambers Linden: *closed, newer...
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: Alexa can we look for a dupe of 8527?
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: and try to repro?
* [15:34] Alexa Linden: I can look for one
* [15:34] Alexa Linden: if I don't find one do we want to import?
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: is doing quick search
* [15:35] Gellan Glenelg: bridie: maybe https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-998 ?
* [15:37] Bridie Linden: cool thx
* [15:37] Alexa Linden: first glance it looks like it
* [15:37] McCabe Maxsted: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1852 was what I was thinking of
* [15:38] Gellan Glenelg: that looks the same too
* [15:38] McCabe Maxsted: anyone try to repro real fast?
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: another good one
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: Let me know if anyone can repro...
* [15:38] Gellan Glenelg: altho VWR-1852 is "fixed"
* [15:39] Cummere Mayo: guys i'm sorry i have to duck out. i cant focus today
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: maybe 1852 got broken in 1.20??
* [15:39] Alexa Linden: hmmm
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: Next on agenda...
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: VWR-8557[c
* [15:39] McCabe Maxsted: SVC-998 is dated before 1852 was addressed in the 1.19.1 rc
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: which i think we chatted about last week
* [15:39] Alexa Linden: did we get a pic?
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8557
* [15:40] Gellan Glenelg: yeah - took some this morning
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: we did!
* [15:40] Alexa Linden: WOOT
* [15:40] McCabe Maxsted: take care cummere
* [15:40] Alexa Linden: bye!
* [15:40] Gellan Glenelg: I thought about putting a "mugshot" height ruler in background
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: You've lost weight in 2nd pic Gellan
* [15:40] Alexa Linden: hahahahahahaha
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: :)
* [15:41] Alexa Linden: thanks for the clarification print with the pics
* [15:41] McCabe Maxsted: woah, leno disease
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: 'Clear cache/Relog: DOES fix it'
* [15:41] Gellan Glenelg: haha
* [15:41] Gellan Glenelg: it did for me
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: but happens every time you log in?
* [15:41] Bridie Linden: just to your jaw?
* [15:41] Kooky Jetaime: Maybe that should be renamed the Leno Bug
* [15:41] Zen Linden: weird!
* [15:41] Gellan Glenelg: no - but it happens often
* [15:42] Alexa Linden: I winder if this is like the saggy eye bag bug
* [15:42] Gellan Glenelg: and once it's happened, i need to clear cache to fix it
* [15:42] Bambers Linden: kooky +1
* [15:42] Alexa Linden: wonder*
* [15:42] McCabe Maxsted: do you see it on agni with the nightly?
* [15:43] Gellan Glenelg: not yet - but that top pic was on aditi, with latest nightly
* [15:43] Bridie Linden: there's also this one: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1620
* [15:43] Alexa Linden: ya
* [15:43] Alexa Linden: this and they the saggy eye one
* [15:44] Alexa Linden: just these slihgt physical changes
* [15:44] Alexa Linden: slight*
* [15:44] Bridie Linden: can we link them all up, if they aren't already?
* [15:44] Alexa Linden: yup
* [15:44] Bridie Linden: not sure what else to do if we can't reliably repro...
* [15:45] Bridie Linden: note locations when it happens? ping BSI group?
* [15:45] Alexa Linden: it would be nice to find a connection
* [15:45] McCabe Maxsted: really needs to sort through VWR-2149, too...
* [15:45] Joeseph Albanese: I just duped VWR-8527
* [15:45] Al Sonic: VWR 1620 might be the reason my friend called me ruthed once recently.
* [15:46] Nya Linden: yeah.. I was wondering if it was something to do with ruth.
* [15:46] Bridie Linden: repro'd you mean Joeseph?
* [15:46] Joeseph Albanese: yes sorry
* [15:46] Bridie Linden: thx!
* [15:46] Bridie Linden: Well let's keep the shape changers open...
* [15:47] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:47] Bridie Linden: VWR-8549[c
* [15:47] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8549
* [15:47] Gellan Glenelg: doesn't repro for me
* [15:47] Bridie Linden: nor me
* [15:47] Alexa Linden: me neither
* [15:47] Alexa Linden: was building last night
* [15:47] Bridie Linden: wonders if they're on wireless?
* [15:48] McCabe Maxsted: wonder if that's their environent or their friends
* [15:48] Alexa Linden: I can ask both
* [15:48] Bridie Linden: please
* [15:48] Kooky Jetaime: Sounds like connection problems
* [15:48] Bridie Linden: yup
* [15:48] Bridie Linden: Next up...
* [15:48] Bridie Linden: VWR-8597[c
* [15:48] Kooky Jetaime: They are also suffering occasional loss of connection when fetching their inventory and moving across sim boundaries. <--
* [15:48] Alexa Linden: They can edit the offending object
* [15:48] Al Sonic: Mindyou this is now with the particle-avatars to replace missing data... but might our shape still get ruthed if the data goes through wrongly somehow?
* [15:48] Alexa Linden: lol
* [15:48] Kooky Jetaime: that right there says it has nothing to do with editing child prims
* [15:48] Kooky Jetaime: I was ruthed yesterday
* [15:48] Kooky Jetaime: right clothes, wrong body
* [15:48] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8597
* [15:49] Alexa Linden: Straylight is lagtastic
* [15:49] Al Sonic: Ah, so it's certainly been happening.
* [15:49] McCabe Maxsted: this happens to me whenever I open preferences or map, sporadically
* [15:50] Kooky Jetaime: I don't have minutes
* [15:50] Kooky Jetaime: but I do get hiccups
* [15:50] Kooky Jetaime: wher eit locks my whole PC up for seconds
* [15:50] Kooky Jetaime: Which shouldn't happen because I'm on a dualcore.
* [15:51] Joeseph Albanese: Similar when I open the texture choosing dialog
* [15:51] Bridie Linden: Reporter has MacBook Pro w/ATI card...
* [15:51] Alexa Linden: I get it sometimes but I blame it on my video card
* [15:51] Kooky Jetaime: and I've seen SL stall, and it doesn't resume unless I minimze it and restore it
* [15:51] Kooky Jetaime: to the point that I can get d/c from it
* [15:51] Kooky Jetaime: XP-SP2 here
* [15:52] Bridie Linden: Nya's had some hardware issues...
* [15:52] McCabe Maxsted: same kooky; odd that they say it's at random though
* [15:52] Kooky Jetaime: I know that voice chat screwes me over
* [15:52] Bridie Linden: Anything we can suggest trying here, Zen or Bambers?
* [15:52] Kooky Jetaime: If I transition from a parcel with no voice to voice, I hang
* [15:52] Kooky Jetaime: and then pick back up seconds later.
* [15:53] Zen Linden: hmmm... haven't been using my ati x1600 MBP recently
* [15:53] Zen Linden: but i did fix
* [15:53] Kooky Jetaime: I don't want voice on my parcel, but I have to turn it on, otherwise every time I cross the parcel boundry I freeze
* [15:53] Zen Linden: the stalls on the 8600M MBP
* [15:53] Kooky Jetaime: I've even been thrown across sim borders from it.
* [15:53] Zen Linden: (or at least hope)
* [15:53] Zen Linden: by turning off impostors and occlusion culling
* [15:53] Nya Linden: interesting... I wonder if it IS voice... the only times I've locked up recently have been in meetings with voice..
* [15:53] Bridie Linden: interesting...
* [15:54] Bridie Linden: kooky can you write that up in a bug report?
* [15:54] Zen Linden: I'd try turning off impostors
* [15:54] Zen Linden: yep
* [15:54] Alexa Linden: I don't use voice at home and still get it sometimes
* [15:54] Zen Linden: and occlusion... i'll add that
* [15:54] Bridie Linden: Zen, would you mind commenting in 8597?
* [15:54] Alexa Linden: I'll try that zen
* [15:54] Zen Linden: bridie... yep, doing so
* [15:54] Bridie Linden: merci!
* [15:54] Alexa Linden: thanks :)
* [15:54] Bambers Linden: nya
* [15:55] Bridie Linden: Skipping the next one and going to our last one of the day...
* [15:55] Bridie Linden: VWR-8035[c
* [15:55] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8035
* [15:55] Gellan Glenelg: this repros
* [15:55] Bambers Linden: nvm
* [15:55] Gellan Glenelg: it's as if the Z coord on top bar is lagging.... until you hit gounrd, then it catches up
* [15:56] Bridie Linden: i see
* [15:56] Bridie Linden: Let's import this one, but i agree with the priority...
* [15:56] Garn Conover: yea seems like lag
* [15:56] Alexa Linden: tough to know when to pull the chute :P
* [15:56] Bambers Linden: maybe the parachute shows your body's altitude, while the top bar shows the altitude of your stomach?
* [15:56] Alexa Linden: kerspat
* [15:56] Alexa Linden: ok
* [15:57] Alexa Linden: stares at the glod sart
* [15:57] Joeseph Albanese: quit drooling
* [15:57] Bridie Linden: alright... let's call it a wrap for today!