Open Source Meeting/2009-09-24

* [2009/09/24 14:00] Thickbrick Sleaford: it's possible some people will have a problem about a Linden viewer having the teleport-to-avatar feature
* [2009/09/24 14:00] Ardy Lay: 
* [2009/09/24 14:00] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: brb
* [2009/09/24 14:01] Twisted Laws: well i can submit the patch and maybe we can work out what can be released...
* [2009/09/24 14:01] Twisted Laws: it has a right click menu in the list for doing things like teleporting to them, yes
* [2009/09/24 14:01] Ardy Lay: Some prim faces are STILL being calculated to zero pixels visible and not loading.
* [2009/09/24 14:02] Rob Linden: hi folks
* [2009/09/24 14:02] Yana Ember: hi Rob
* [2009/09/24 14:02] Ardy Lay: Hi Rob.
* [2009/09/24 14:02] Slee Mayo: hello
* [2009/09/24 14:02] Thickbrick Sleaford: hi
* [2009/09/24 14:02] Twisted Laws: hi Rob
* [2009/09/24 14:03] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: bk
* [2009/09/24 14:03] Meggan Faith: Hello Psi.
* [2009/09/24 14:03] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: hi rob, wb again :)
* [2009/09/24 14:04] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: lol, interresting avi, pixel :p
* [2009/09/24 14:05] Rob Linden: I keep forgetting to clear the agenda here: 
* [2009/09/24 14:05] Rob Linden: however, it ends up being an ok agenda each time
* [2009/09/24 14:05] Thickbrick Sleaford: I added a new item to half an hour ago
* [2009/09/24 14:05] Thickbrick Sleaford: *to it
* [2009/09/24 14:05] Rob Linden: yup, I see that - thanks Thickbrick
* [2009/09/24 14:06] Techwolf Lupindo: thinks
* [2009/09/24 14:06] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: doing it alone today, rob?
* [2009/09/24 14:06] Rob Linden: one of the things I used to do that maybe I should get back to is asking for a volunteer to tend the agenda
* [2009/09/24 14:06] Techwolf Lupindo: I know I submitted a couple patches...but the jira does not have a search for all bug you commneted on.
* [2009/09/24 14:06] Rob Linden: lemme see if I can rouse some of the others....
* [2009/09/24 14:07] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i have to say no rob, i do a lot of things already and work about 12 hours a day only on SL
* [2009/09/24 14:07] Morgaine Dinova: waves quietly
* [2009/09/24 14:07] Pixel Gausman: meow, Morgaine
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Aimee Trescothick: WAVES LOUDLY
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: pets morg :)
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Morgaine Dinova: /purrs @ Pix
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: hey aimee :)
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Aimee Trescothick: :)
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Ardy Lay: is still being an issue I think. I added a screen shot and a short comment.
* [2009/09/24 14:08] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-59|JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-59]]: 
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Morgaine Dinova: Haha Aimee
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Rob Linden: is waving volunteering or just waving? :)
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Morgaine Dinova: remembers not to wave in future ;P
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Aimee Trescothick: nu!
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Techwolf Lupindo: carefykkm wavubg ariybd gere cab gave cibqebces,'
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Aimee Trescothick: sits on her hands
* [2009/09/24 14:08] Slee Mayo: ugh, someone is messing with me
* [2009/09/24 14:09] Techwolf Lupindo: arg....can't type too well will sick.
* [2009/09/24 14:09] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: thought it just loaded slower then usually, so snow-59 is actually a bug? hmm... interresting
* [2009/09/24 14:09] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: hey cg :)
* [2009/09/24 14:09] Morgaine Dinova: Hiya CG :-)
* [2009/09/24 14:09] CG Linden: Hello
* [2009/09/24 14:09] Rob Linden: will ask later for an agenda volutneer
* [2009/09/24 14:09] Rob Linden: volunteer even
* [2009/09/24 14:09] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: new clothing i see, CG :)
* [2009/09/24 14:09] Rob Linden: anyway, on to the agenda....
* [2009/09/24 14:09] Rob Linden: SNOW-215[c
* [2009/09/24 14:09] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-215: 
* [#SNOW-215] Interop login/teleport: 
* [2009/09/24 14:09] Techwolf Lupindo: Overall, server 1.30.0 is loading things very slow.
* [2009/09/24 14:09] CG Linden: my wife made the shirt :)
* [2009/09/24 14:10] Thickbrick Sleaford: SNOW-59 was originally about textures ending up as missing asset (until relog), but it's got a lot of comments on other texture loading bugs
* [2009/09/24 14:10] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: she sure made a great shirt CG, have luck to have a skilled wife :)
* [2009/09/24 14:10] Ardy Lay: Thickbrick, I may be guilty of deviating from the original issue on that one.
* [2009/09/24 14:11] Ardy Lay: I think I have a solit reproduction for what's buggin me.
* [2009/09/24 14:11] Ardy Lay: solid
* [2009/09/24 14:12] Ardy Lay: I need to try that OGP Patch.
* [2009/09/24 14:12] Pixel Gausman: Ardy: please do!
* [2009/09/24 14:12] Ardy Lay: If it works I'll have cache questions.
* [2009/09/24 14:12] Morgaine Dinova: --ogp seems to be sticky, I don't like that. When you don't specify --ogp on a subsequent invocation, it really shouldn't be remembering the OGP login details.
* [2009/09/24 14:13] Pixel Gausman: Morgaine: the viewer doesnt contemplate keeping separate passwords for different login types
* [2009/09/24 14:14] Morgaine Dinova: Aye, it needs fixing.
* [2009/09/24 14:14] Techwolf Lupindo: That one reason I bourgh up the one more then one account patch.
* [2009/09/24 14:14] Techwolf Lupindo: last week,
* [2009/09/24 14:14] Pixel Gausman: ogp is sticky, i get stuck in it all the time.
* [2009/09/24 14:14] Morgaine Dinova: Haha
* [2009/09/24 14:14] Pixel Gausman: Tech: yeah, SNOW-129
* [2009/09/24 14:14] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-129: 
* [#SNOW-129] account from: list at login
* [2009/09/24 14:14] Morgaine Dinova: I meant a simple form of stickiness, hehe
* [2009/09/24 14:15] Rob Linden: so, let me see if I understand this: if you start with --ogp, and click [
* [2009/09/24 14:15] Morgaine Dinova: Yep, and the grid selected is "ogp"
* [2009/09/24 14:16] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: I love the fact that it actually saves the password and full name
* [2009/09/24 14:16] Pixel Gausman: grid selected is ogp? what do u mean by that?
* [2009/09/24 14:16] Morgaine Dinova: Ie. with no flags, it should revert to grid shown as Agni
* [2009/09/24 14:16] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: saves me a hell lot of time
* [2009/09/24 14:16] Morgaine Dinova: The grid selector box shows "ogp"
* [2009/09/24 14:16] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: did wish it could store more logings tho
* [2009/09/24 14:16] Pixel Gausman: i've never seen that
* [2009/09/24 14:16] Pixel Gausman: Youri: you want SNOW-129
* [2009/09/24 14:16] Morgaine Dinova: What does your grid selector box say? Aditi?
* [2009/09/24 14:17] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i was indeed reffering to that pixel :)
* [2009/09/24 14:17] Pixel Gausman: i think it says agni
* [2009/09/24 14:17] Pixel Gausman: :)
* [2009/09/24 14:17] Pixel Gausman: i never change the fields that get loaded into the grids combo_box
* [2009/09/24 14:18] Pixel Gausman: Morgaine: have u built with SNOW-129 also built in?
* [2009/09/24 14:18] Morgaine Dinova: Well it may say "ogp" because I set up "--grid ogp" in the launch script. However, the point isn't really that. It's with without the --ogp, the login still goes to OGP :-)
* [2009/09/24 14:18] Morgaine Dinova: It's Techwolf's build
* [2009/09/24 14:19] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i have to switch between 4 avitars, takes up too much time to add the login text for all, so it could be usefull to actually have all those names stored instead
* [2009/09/24 14:19] Morgaine Dinova: Ie. it doesn't drop back to agni when the --ogp isn't specified.
* [2009/09/24 14:19] Pixel Gausman: the login doesnt go OGP without the --ogp flag, it does, however always save the Firstname/Lastname/Password
* [2009/09/24 14:19] Morgaine Dinova: And grid
* [2009/09/24 14:19] Pixel Gausman: Morgaine: you set the grid. :)
* [2009/09/24 14:19] Techwolf Lupindo: Morgain, 129 is curretlly in the ebuild.
* [2009/09/24 14:19] Morgaine Dinova: kk Tech
* [2009/09/24 14:19] Rob Linden: Morgaine: I guess if you're using a separate build with SNOW-129 built in, then that's a whole 'nuther can of worms
* [2009/09/24 14:19] Techwolf Lupindo: I need to go lay down...
* [2009/09/24 14:20] Morgaine Dinova: Rob: Tech's build is just snowglobe-trunk, nothing more :-)
* [2009/09/24 14:20] Rob Linden: Techwolf just got done saying that 129 is currently in the ebuild
* [2009/09/24 14:20] Ardy Lay: I use the same name on OSGrid but not the same password. I shall give this a try soon.
* [2009/09/24 14:21] Rob Linden: it's not in snowglobe/trunk
* [2009/09/24 14:21] Morgaine Dinova: Ah, that's the discrepancy then, kk
* [2009/09/24 14:21] Pixel Gausman: Morgaine: i don't expect --grid and ogp to understand each other.
* [2009/09/24 14:21] Pixel Gausman: so don't do that.
* [2009/09/24 14:21] Pixel Gausman: please
* [2009/09/24 14:22] Morgaine Dinova: Well the two worlds have to come together at some point. It can't be ignored.
* [2009/09/24 14:22] Aimee Trescothick: the metaverse may implode
* [2009/09/24 14:22] Pixel Gausman: "at some point" != SNOW-215
* [2009/09/24 14:22] Rob Linden: yeah, sounds like a separate low-ish priority bug should be filed there
* [2009/09/24 14:23] Pixel Gausman: Morgaine: please open a JIRA
* [2009/09/24 14:23] Morgaine Dinova: Fair enough. I shall give no more feedback then at this stage, since it's not considered relevant.
* [2009/09/24 14:23] Rob Linden: anything else on SNOW-215, or should we move on?
* [2009/09/24 14:23] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: nothing here
* [2009/09/24 14:23] Rob Linden: next up is the media api merge
* [2009/09/24 14:24] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: sound sinterresting
* [2009/09/24 14:24] Rob Linden: I know Merov is really, really close to having something
* [2009/09/24 14:24] Pixel Gausman: media api merge, aka the big whopper
* [2009/09/24 14:24] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: merging video stream with music stream if i understand it correctly?
* [2009/09/24 14:24] Twisted Laws: i'm confused... isn't snow-215 in the svn pull from snowglobe trunk?
* [2009/09/24 14:25] Rob Linden: Twisted: yeah snow-215 is incorporated now
* [2009/09/24 14:25] Pixel Gausman: Twisted: yes, r2771
* [2009/09/24 14:25] Twisted Laws: oks :)
* [2009/09/24 14:25] Rob Linden: media api is SNOW-222
* [2009/09/24 14:25] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-222: 
* [#SNOW-222] LLMedia Plugin: API in SnowGlobe
* [2009/09/24 14:25] Morgaine Dinova: Twisted: it is. But only if you apply no other patches, otherwise it's not considered relevant.
* [2009/09/24 14:26] Twisted Laws: i just pull from svn and add my own patches
* [2009/09/24 14:26] Thickbrick Sleaford: it would be a lot easier to hunt bugs later if SNOW-222 didn't include a general merge from trunk (does it include?)
* [2009/09/24 14:26] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: just voted on it
* [2009/09/24 14:26] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: interresting to have :)
* [2009/09/24 14:26] Thickbrick Sleaford: the patch for SNOW-222 is 1.2 MB unzipped
* [2009/09/24 14:27] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: 1.2mb is nothing these days :)
* [2009/09/24 14:27] Rob Linden: Thickbrick, I wish we had things isolated a little better, but alas, we don't
* [2009/09/24 14:27] Rob Linden: very very tough to isolate that code in our crurrent stuff
* [2009/09/24 14:28] Pixel Gausman: Rob: do you feel comfortable with it going in this week?
* [2009/09/24 14:28] Thickbrick Sleaford: Rob, can you generate an SVN log internally of what went into it, so we have some sort of general idea?
* [2009/09/24 14:28] Rob Linden: Pixel: I'm taking Merov's word for it at this point, but he seems to feel pretty good about getting it in
* [2009/09/24 14:29] Pixel Gausman: yeah, i know he's anxious to get it done
* [2009/09/24 14:29] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: ill try to install it on my pc and test it out. Vista 64bit
* [2009/09/24 14:29] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: Snowglobe 1.2.0
* [2009/09/24 14:29] Rob Linden: I'm very close to checking in the updated artwork. once I actually got a little uninterupted time, it was pretty easy to crank out
* [2009/09/24 14:30] Aimee Trescothick: I'll admit a 46,858 line patch makes me a little nervous but I think it needs to go in as that also means it goes stale very very easily if it doesn't
* [2009/09/24 14:30] Pixel Gausman: i had a weird issue on my box that Merov wasnt able to reproduce. it's the last comment in the jira on 222
* [2009/09/24 14:30] Rob Linden: yeah, he mentioned it yesterday....he had a tough time trying to repro it, but maybe he figured it out today
* [2009/09/24 14:31] Pixel Gausman: ok, i hadnt heard anything since last night.
* [2009/09/24 14:31] Morgaine Dinova: Taking a few risks is what makes Snowglobe different to main. I don't think that massive caution helps too much, and it may hinder. Snowglobe users know what to expect, it's not a problem.
* [2009/09/24 14:31] Rob Linden: yeah, this seems like the right place to try it out
* [2009/09/24 14:32] Aimee Trescothick: oh definitely, we just need to make sure it gets a thorough work out before 1.2 goes out
* [2009/09/24 14:32] Rob Linden: next on the agenda: translation feature
* [2009/09/24 14:33] Thickbrick Sleaford: I just added another subtask for SNOW-93... chat bubbles broken.
* [2009/09/24 14:33] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-93: 
* [#SNOW-93] language translation: of chat messages
* [2009/09/24 14:33] Aimee Trescothick: the only problems I've seen personally with SNOW-222 so far are superficial cosmetic stuff
* [2009/09/24 14:33] Rob Linden: those of you watching the commits might have noticed the fix for the unicode issue went in
* [2009/09/24 14:33] Rob Linden: we're currently contemplating putting the pref for translation right up by the "[ 
* [2009/09/24 14:34] Ardy Lay: I would like that.
* [2009/09/24 14:34] Thickbrick Sleaford: that would make a lot of sense
* [2009/09/24 14:34] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: lmao @ 93, makes my work as CT translator pretty much useless :p
* [2009/09/24 14:34] Ardy Lay: I also want a "Smite" button so take that opinion with a grain of salt.
* [2009/09/24 14:34] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: hi merov
* [2009/09/24 14:34] Thickbrick Sleaford: (in addition to the prefs window, that is)
* [2009/09/24 14:35] Morgaine Dinova: waves @ Merov
* [2009/09/24 14:35] Merov Linden: hi
* [2009/09/24 14:35] Rob Linden: ah, the "Smite" button....you aren't alone ;-)
* [2009/09/24 14:35] Merov Linden: sorry for being late (all hands meeting in MV)
* [2009/09/24 14:35] Ardy Lay: Hehe
* [2009/09/24 14:36] Pixel Gausman: Merov: when your company gets large enuf, u can skip those, and no one will notice. :)
* [2009/09/24 14:36] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: no worries merov, good you could make it, even if it is later then usually :)
* [2009/09/24 14:36] Rob Linden: seeing as how we already have (er...had) a "god mode", "Smite" would totally make sense
* [2009/09/24 14:36] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: lol
* [2009/09/24 14:36] Morgaine Dinova: lol
* [2009/09/24 14:37] Merov Linden: tries to pull the thread of the conversation
* [2009/09/24 14:37] Aimee Trescothick: hands rob a loaf and two small fishes
* [2009/09/24 14:37] Morgaine Dinova: ROFL
* [2009/09/24 14:37] Geneko Nemeth: Squeak!
* [2009/09/24 14:37] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: snow-222
* [2009/09/24 14:37] Rob Linden: Merov - we were talking about SNOW-93 , and got on a bit of a tangent
* [2009/09/24 14:37] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: lol, snow-93 then :)
* [2009/09/24 14:38] Ardy Lay: New Features are tangents. :-)
* [2009/09/24 14:38] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: as i was saying, makes my work as translator pretty much useless
* [2009/09/24 14:38] Rob Linden: I brought up the idea of having a "[ 
* [2009/09/24 14:38] Rob Linden: patches welcome for actually making that happen
* [2009/09/24 14:38] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: o0o, bad you. so ill have to blaim you for loosing my CT job soon :p
* [2009/09/24 14:38] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: haha
* [2009/09/24 14:39] Thickbrick Sleaford: Youri: don't worry, google tranlations are very funny for non-latin languages
* [2009/09/24 14:39] Merov Linden: SNOW-93 is not *that* good to make a real translator useless (yet)....
* [2009/09/24 14:40] Morgaine Dinova: Did translations get colourized? I remember there being interest, but don't recall if it got into the Jira.
* [2009/09/24 14:40] Rob Linden: yeah, the Google cloud is at least 2-3 years away from self awareness...you've got plenty of job security
* [2009/09/24 14:40] Geneko Nemeth: Who knows, maybe they will come up with an AI written in INTERCAL for real next time...
* [2009/09/24 14:40] Ardy Lay: It works okay for people that understand a bit about getting along with machine translation and write to be translated by it.
* [2009/09/24 14:41] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: we may have lost our fearless leader Danica Linden, but we still have Lexie Linden :)
* [2009/09/24 14:41] Pixel Gausman: so, Rob, is it hardcoded to google?
* [2009/09/24 14:41] Geneko Nemeth: wonders how much energy is consumed by the Google servers for each translation.
* [2009/09/24 14:41] Rob Linden: Pixel: yeah, it is now
* [2009/09/24 14:41] Pixel Gausman: ok
* [2009/09/24 14:42] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: Lexie even wants us to make a logo for the CT team, so we long from finished :)
* [2009/09/24 14:42] Merov Linden: doesn't think that 100,000 concurrent SL users can chat Google down...
* [2009/09/24 14:42] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: we were hearing also about lots of work heading for us, so i guess we have soon enough to do :)
* [2009/09/24 14:43] Morgaine Dinova: --use_translator=XX would probably be the lowest cost patch to "unhardwire" it.
* [2009/09/24 14:43] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: you sure merov? their servers aint that much stronger then the LL servers :)
* [2009/09/24 14:43] Rob Linden: we should probably move along if we're going to get to the new stuff
* [2009/09/24 14:43] Rob Linden: next up: # New feature: "Worn Items" tab in inventory (SNOW-226). Simple, well tested, and very popular feature. Too late for 1.2? --Thickbrick, 2009-09-24
* [2009/09/24 14:43] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-226: 
* [#SNOW-226] new inventory: tab "Worn Items
* [2009/09/24 14:43] Merov Linden: but they have *lots* of them :)
* [2009/09/24 14:43] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: a machine keeps being a machine untill you scrap it :)
* [2009/09/24 14:44] Pixel Gausman: I'd really like 226, i havent reviewed the code, but as an end loser, i like the feature
* [2009/09/24 14:44] Thickbrick Sleaford: it's actually a clone of which has the patch
* [2009/09/24 14:44] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#VWR-2199|JIRA-helper: [#VWR-2199]]: 
* [2009/09/24 14:44] Morgaine Dinova: Aye 3rd party viewers have had Worn Items for a year, well tested.
* [2009/09/24 14:44] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: worn items tab, great idea ardy!
* [2009/09/24 14:44] Thickbrick Sleaford: yes, I thnk all 3rd party viewers use this patch by now
* [2009/09/24 14:45] Ardy Lay: I have been using that patch in Snowglobe for a while now.
* [2009/09/24 14:45] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: would love to see that being added!
* [2009/09/24 14:45] Ardy Lay: Two weeks I think.
* [2009/09/24 14:45] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: directly voted on it!
* [2009/09/24 14:45] Rob Linden: Thickbrick: I'm fine with it in principle. if one of the other committers can sign off on the patch, I say put it in
* [2009/09/24 14:45] Rob Linden: Merov: your thoughts?
* [2009/09/24 14:45] Thickbrick Sleaford: I tried contacting the patch submitter, to ask if he has a contributor agreement, but got no reply
* [2009/09/24 14:46] Morgaine Dinova: checks for doubleclick TP patch in Jira ...
* [2009/09/24 14:46] Rob Linden: ah rats
* [2009/09/24 14:46] Thickbrick Sleaford: (the patch is by Vadim Bigbear)
* [2009/09/24 14:46] Merov Linden: fine with me from a feature standpoint
* [2009/09/24 14:46] Merov Linden: I'm a bit busy with landing SNOW-222 and texture stuff to review though
* [2009/09/24 14:46] Rob Linden: looks for contrib agreement
* [2009/09/24 14:46] Merov Linden: other committers to pick that one up?
* [2009/09/24 14:47] Thickbrick Sleaford: it's a very small patch
* [2009/09/24 14:47] Thickbrick Sleaford: one addition I'd like to make to it is make it remember the sort order
* [2009/09/24 14:47] Merov Linden: you're signing for reviewing it Thickbrick? :)
* [2009/09/24 14:48] Thickbrick Sleaford: I already did
* [2009/09/24 14:48] Merov Linden: great !
* [2009/09/24 14:48] Thickbrick Sleaford: (already reviewed, that is)
* [2009/09/24 14:48] Merov Linden: thanks a bunch
* [2009/09/24 14:48] Rob Linden: yeah, Thickbrick, don't worry about the contrib agreement in this case. that's right at the threshold of where we'd insist on one, but I think we can let it slide
* [2009/09/24 14:49] Pixel Gausman: there's a threshold?
* [2009/09/24 14:49] Pixel Gausman: interesting
* [2009/09/24 14:49] Thickbrick Sleaford: Vadim's name is in contributors.txt already, so I'm guesing he has an agreement
* [2009/09/24 14:49] Merov Linden: remembers reading about some "obviousness" threshold
* [2009/09/24 14:49] Rob Linden: Pixel: really trivial one liners we don't insist on signed contrib agreements
* [2009/09/24 14:49] Ardy Lay: The smaller a change is the fewer ways there are to make it?
* [2009/09/24 14:50] Merov Linden: can't parse Ardy's statement...
* [2009/09/24 14:50] Pixel Gausman: Rob: sounds like your lawyers are more sensible than...err..nevermind.
* [2009/09/24 14:50] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: lol
* [2009/09/24 14:51] Rob Linden: once you're below some fuzzy threshold, it's very difficult to claim copyright protection
* [2009/09/24 14:51] Ardy Lay: Merov, I have a few grey prims I'd like to show you.
* [2009/09/24 14:51] Pixel Gausman: so SNOW-226 is in?
* [2009/09/24 14:51] Mm Alder: Merov: "The smaller a change is, the fewer ways there are to make it"
* [2009/09/24 14:51] Merov Linden: I've a Mac version that shows lots of grey prims...
* [2009/09/24 14:52] Rob Linden: Pixel: yup...assuming Thickbrick gets it checked in soon
* [2009/09/24 14:52] Thickbrick Sleaford: cool!
* [2009/09/24 14:52] Merov Linden: thanks Mm Alder... :)
* [2009/09/24 14:52] Rob Linden: going back to talk about SNOW-222 for a sec....
* [2009/09/24 14:52] Merov Linden: ducks
* [2009/09/24 14:53] Merov Linden: yes, SNOW-222...
* [2009/09/24 14:53] Rob Linden: just want to make sure SNOW-222 isn't going to be made harder if Thickbrick gets SNOW-226 in.
* [2009/09/24 14:53] Rob Linden: is that a concern?
* [2009/09/24 14:53] Merov Linden: checks 226
* [2009/09/24 14:54] Rob Linden: doesn't want to make things harder on Merov to get SNOW-222 in
* [2009/09/24 14:54] Aimee Trescothick: 222 has ducks in it?
* [2009/09/24 14:54] Aimee Trescothick: *Quack*
* [2009/09/24 14:54] Rob Linden: while he's doing that....let's move to the last item
* [2009/09/24 14:54] Pixel Gausman: Aimee: yeah, we need to get it committed before the ducks are qwaqed out
* [2009/09/24 14:54] Merov Linden: just checked 226 patch: off the top of my head, I think the files it touches are not touched by pluginapi
* [2009/09/24 14:55] Rob Linden: oh cool
* [2009/09/24 14:55] Merov Linden: or only very lightly (i.e. merge will work)
* [2009/09/24 14:55] Rob Linden: the last item SNOW-59[c
* [2009/09/24 14:55] Thickbrick Sleaford: great
* [2009/09/24 14:55] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-59: 
* [#SNOW-59] Cache miss: doesn't retry transfer, prim remains grey
* [2009/09/24 14:55] Rob Linden: we touched on this at the beginning of the meeting already, but Merov wasn't around, and this is in his area
* [2009/09/24 14:55] Rob Linden: lobs it low enough so that ducking won't work ;-)
* [2009/09/24 14:56] Thickbrick Sleaford: I went to the slurl Ardy put in there, and the vending signs stayed grey for me too, until I zoomed in on them
* [2009/09/24 14:56] Merov Linden: is hit in the groin
* [2009/09/24 14:56] Ardy Lay: The prim faces that are staying grey have and Area of zero pixels in the texture console but I can see the face on screen. Either I am misunderstanding what I am seeing or a calculation needs help. I have a good solid repro but have to go there as it's not an item I can bring with me. Not for sale.
* [2009/09/24 14:57] Merov Linden: I really need to dive into that one with some focused time and attention
* [2009/09/24 14:57] Rob Linden: any advice for a dev who might want to tackle the debugging problem?
* [2009/09/24 14:57] Thickbrick Sleaford: it's a few prims with the same texture, and lotf of scripts inside (HippoVend)
* [2009/09/24 14:57] Rob Linden: anything to instrument up, for example?
* [2009/09/24 14:57] Thickbrick Sleaford: so it might be doing something weird
* [2009/09/24 14:57] Merov Linden: I see this on my Mac Snowglobe all the time
* [2009/09/24 14:58] Ardy Lay: I can place a box there and put the same textue on it, clear cache, relog, and it loads fast.
* [2009/09/24 14:58] Merov Linden: advices: hmm... I'll be trying to track the priority level of those
* [2009/09/24 14:59] Ardy Lay: Some characteristic of the face/prim is what I am guesing.
* [2009/09/24 14:59] Thickbrick Sleaford: Rob: the various area and importance functions on LLFace
* [2009/09/24 15:00] Rob Linden: Merov: you're thinking that the priority level on the textures might be out of whack?
* [2009/09/24 15:00] Ardy Lay: I really like this only loading what we can see of textures into RAM for OpenGL to use but it does need a little more work. There are also some large chans there whose sculpt maps do not finish loading. I suspect they are "oblong".
* [2009/09/24 15:01] Pixel Gausman: if the priority level were wrong, wouldn't we get at least *something* non-grey? (havent dug in that area, so just asking)
* [2009/09/24 15:01] Thickbrick Sleaford: the texture console shows area 0, sometimes jumps to a high number for a few seconds. IT stays 0 even when you're right in fron tof it, sometimes
* [2009/09/24 15:01] Ardy Lay: -chans +chains
* [2009/09/24 15:01] Merov Linden: yes, that or the LOD required (can't remember the name of it in SL code) which could be a bad computation of area of face/pixel area of texture
* [2009/09/24 15:02] Ardy Lay: The other faces of the same prim load promptly.
* [2009/09/24 15:02] Rob Linden: ok...well, maybe there's some hints there for some industrious person to follow up on
* [2009/09/24 15:02] Rob Linden: we're running a little over, but before we go...
* [2009/09/24 15:02] Rob Linden: anyone willing to clean up the agenda and gather items for next week?
* [2009/09/24 15:02] Thickbrick Sleaford: it's a sperate issue from the orginal problem reported in SNOW-59
* [2009/09/24 15:02] Merov Linden: o right: the discard level
* [2009/09/24 15:02] Thickbrick Sleaford: i.e. the image doesn't get set as missing asset
* [2009/09/24 15:03] Ardy Lay: Thickbrick, should I move my ovservation to a new issue?
* [2009/09/24 15:03] Merov Linden: the new fetch code is trying to be smart about computing that discard level
* [2009/09/24 15:03] Merov Linden: clearly *too* smart...
* [2009/09/24 15:03] Thickbrick Sleaford: I think so, Ardy.
* [2009/09/24 15:03] Ardy Lay: Merov, it just needs some more work. So far it has been an impressive effort.
* [2009/09/24 15:04] Merov Linden: you mean: the fetch code?
* [2009/09/24 15:04] Ardy Lay: Yes
* [2009/09/24 15:04] Merov Linden: a right... courtesy of Bao :)
* [2009/09/24 15:04] Thickbrick Sleaford: I think so too - genreally, much better user experience for me, even with the bugs.
* [2009/09/24 15:04] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: thanks for the meeting Rob!
* [2009/09/24 15:04] Thickbrick Sleaford: it's not like 1.23 doesn't have bugs and gray textures
* [2009/09/24 15:05] Merov Linden: Pixel : do you have a minute before we disband that meeting?
* [2009/09/24 15:05] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: CG: great having you ona meeting finally! Even though you didnt say anything really :p
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Rob Linden: thanks everyone for coming! (I guess I'm the agenda volunteer) :)
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Thickbrick Sleaford: lol
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Thickbrick Sleaford: see you Rob
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Slee Mayo: cya
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Rob Linden: Merov: I thiknk you missed Pixel
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Aimee Trescothick: thans rob :)
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Morgaine Dinova: He's meditating :-)
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Rob Linden: see ya
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Melchizedek Blauvelt: night night everyone
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Merov Linden: darn!
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Ardy Lay: Rob, I have time to do it, I just am not sure what direction to take it. :-)
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: CG usually is meditating :p
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Morgaine Dinova: Cya Rob, Merov, CG
* [2009/09/24 15:06] Merov Linden: well, may be she commented in PJIRA on that question I had for her
* [2009/09/24 15:07] Rob Linden: Ardy, just a matter of calling for items on SLDev in a reasonalbe amount of time, and maybe culling the mailing list for items that are still hanging out there
* [2009/09/24 15:07] Rob Linden: e.g. we probably should have talked about Mm's mail about the xml loading, for example
* [2009/09/24 15:07] Ardy Lay: Okay. I will give it a try if you like.
* [2009/09/24 15:08] Merov Linden: needs to go
* [2009/09/24 15:08] Rob Linden: that would be fantastic...thanks!
* [2009/09/24 15:08] Merov Linden: sorry for being late today guys
* [2009/09/24 15:08] Rob Linden: alright, thanks all
* [2009/09/24 15:08] Rob Linden: bye
* [2009/09/24 15:08] Ardy Lay: It's pretty easy to see what stirs up interest.
* [2009/09/24 15:08] Merov Linden: cheers and see you next week
* [2009/09/24 15:08] Twisted Laws: bye, cyas
* [2009/09/24 15:08] Slee Mayo: cya
* [2009/09/24 15:09] Ardy Lay: Thickbrick, Uni uses Emerald and the prim parameters were set with it.
* [2009/09/24 15:09] Thickbrick Sleaford: oh
* [2009/09/24 15:10] Ardy Lay: She was wondering if that can possibly make any difference
* [2009/09/24 15:10] Ardy Lay: I think all she did was resize it.
* [2009/09/24 15:10] Ardy Lay: Face 2 is the active face, the other she put a wood texture on.
* [2009/09/24 15:10] Ardy Lay: others