Goodreads/Links for Further Reading

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Note: due to the difficulty in threading tumblr discussions, some material quoted may be sourced from earlier or later conversations by other people. Please check the original link for the full text and credits.
===2012===
July 2012
* ("There are AMAZING websites for fanfiction out there, please please please don’t post fanfiction on Good Reads) (July 2012)
* ("I guess, if people have e-readers and are reading all kinds of things mixed up together, why wouldn’t they [post their reviews all in the same place"] (July 11, 2012)
Dec 2012
* ("Have you gone on Goodreads and found your fic? Is this the new normal? Am I behind the times? When did fanfic get considered legit enough to be counted as a book on Goodreads??? (Dec 13, 2012)
===2014===
Feb 2014
* (" If I want my writing to be judged as a published M/M genre romance, then I’ll publish an M/M genre romance. I’m glad to write free online fiction. I’m glad there are people to consume that free online fiction. But I don’t write Teen Wolf fanfic for the M/M romance-reading populace, I write Teen Wolf fanfic for Teen Wolf fans") (Feb 2014)
* (Note: example of an author using tumblr to make requests of a Goodreads reader instead of going to the reader directly: "I’m not entirely sure on how Goodreads works, but if this Trisha Harrington happens to be on Tumblr, can you please stop reviewing our fanfiction on this site, please? Fanfiction belongs in the fandom, not in a professional capacity.") (Feb 2014)
March 2014
* (Note: this is tangential to the main debate but shows that the origins P2P fic have been discussed on GR for years: "Apparently Goodreads has a list of fanfics that have been published.") (March 29, 2014)
July 2014
* ("I guess I can’t really fault someone for putting publicly available stuff up on the Internet in a different place, although I would appreciate a heads-up on that sort of stuff (as all you lovely translators and fanartists and podficcers do).") (July 23, 2014)
* ("On the other point, it WOULD be nice to be able to organize and consolidate fic recs for myself. I don’t particularly like AO3’s limited way, and don’t necessarily want to do a fic rec page on here… I don’t know. It would be good to hear others’ thoughts on the matter.") (July 23, 2014)
Dec 14, 2014
* ("The fic that was already listed + the reviews attached that were deleted in the confusion of this whole thing seem to be un-retrievable. Sorry to the GR reviewers who lost their threads on my fic, it wasn’t my intention to delete conversations out from under you." And "Never, ever, ever, ever post user or profile information about me anywhere without my consent. It doesn’t matter how innocuous the information seems to be or how freely available it is on my blog, I’m very particular about what information I post and where, taking it upon yourself to override that without my knowledge and/or consent is a dick move of the highest order.") (Dec 14-Dec 19, 2014)
* ("It seems reasonable to question “what the big deal is” when something you’ve posted on AO3 is also posted on GR by someone else....I mean, it could be a nice way to get more readers!.... But someone else shouldn’t be making that choice for me.") (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("It’s not that these people are maliciously creating author profiles—it’s just happening as a result of a reader putting your story on their virtual shelf. It’s not cool, I don’t agree with it, but it can be mitigated.") (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("...these people are reviewing, in some cases tearing down, work that was done for free, that didn’t have the benefit of a professional editing team or perhaps even a beta, and treating it to the same level of scrutiny as published work that does have those benefits without so much as a by-your-leave from the author.") (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("The whole fanfic on Goodreads thing is just SO illogical because these fics are already hosted on sites with bookmarking functionality and places to leave comments and reviews??? Why try and turn a different website into a fan fiction index IT JUST DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE. Goodreads is not your personal journal where you scribble all the things you’ve seen today and your thoughts and dreams about them!") (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("I know someone who contacted goodreads to have her fic removed. It took a really long time and a lot of fussing, and then a few weeks later, someone else put them there. It was a frustrating mess. That was last year tho, so maybe they’re better about it.") (Dec 14, 2014)
*) ("what is goodreads and how are people getting away with this? don't the admins control anything?") (Dec 14, 2014)
*) ("If you’re like me and not registered with GR and don’t want to navigate their (deliberately?) confusing discussion boards...") (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("PSA to all my author friends. This is becoming increasingly problematic..." (Dec 14, 2014)
* (cover art thumbnails are fair use) (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("As a fan community, we’ve tried to control where fanfic is mentioned for decades with little success: first we objected to it being mentioned on Usenet, then websites, then mailing lists, then LJ, then twitter etc)...But to pretend we *can* control where fandom migrates or that we *can* prescribe fandom behavior by waving a moral/ethical/etiquette flag is hubris.") (Dec 14, 2014)
* and (notes from GR librarians) which came in response to this suggestion that GR librarians begin deleting fic directly: (Dec 14, 2014)
* (Note: somewhat incorrect instructions on how to request removal of your fic listings) (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("yep whoever did this is the at&t of people") and earlier in the thread ("AND WHAT THE FUCK THE DISPLAY PICTURE IS NOT MY AO3 DISPLAY PICTURE IT’S AN OLD SELF PORTRAIT I DREW LIKE A YEAR AGO THIS IS REALLY FUCKING WEIRD IT’S LIKE FINDING A WAX FIGURE OF MYSELF IN MY OWN CLOSET WHOEVER DID THIS, YOU’RE A FUCKING FREAK.’’) (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("I have been seriously debating removing all of my work from the internet, and shit like this makes me think I’d be justified in doing so.") (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("So I just updated my profile on the ao3 and I’m going to include this on my profiles here and on twitter, but don’t do this. Don’t put my stuff on Goodreads.) (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("as far as I can tell the works themselves are not actually being uploaded to or archived on the site.") (Dec 14, 2014)
* (Notes: ongoing confusion over whether fanfic is actually being uploaded. Re one of the reviewers on Goodreads: "What a complete douchebag. Is there any way to get this guy banned?") (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("I found Below Skyscrapers on GR and while I was bemused by it at the time...") (Dec 14, 2014)
* ("Please, respect authors' wishes.") (Dec 14, 2014)
*Why It’s Bad Fandom Etiquette To Put Other People’s Fics On Goodreads ("In some ways it was interesting to see the other sorts of reviews you get on Goodreads, because a less fandom-orientated audience is in certain ways more critical and seeing a different perspective on my writing had its value, but I found it unsettling because it’s like someone has created an identity *for* me, one that I cannot manage at all.) (Dec 14, 2014)
Dec 15, 2014
* ("I don’t understand why recommending publicly posted fanfic on a website intended for recommending literature is a problem.") (note: interesting tags) (Dec 15, 2014)
* (one fan's suggestion for a long term solution) (Dec 15, 2014)
* ("Wow, that blew up. And while healthy discussion is always good for fandom, the reblogs/additional comments/scattershot redirectioning and then a reblog methodology behind how Tumblr conversations work is what makes me miss LJ.") (Dec 15, 2014)
* (discussion of reviews and how to get your info removed from GR) (Dec 15, 2014)
* ("BUT I DON’T WANT TO GET GRADED ON MY FIC. It’s a gift from me to you, the reader. If you don’t like it, whatever! Close the tab and move on!") (Dec 15, 2014)
* ("The issue for fanfiction being on there for me is....") (Dec 15, 2014)
* ("Does anyone else feel really disgusted at the idea that the content you put out for free, for the enjoyment of fandom, could then be appropriated and used (even in an indirect way) to generate ad revenue for Amazon?") (Dec 15, 2014)
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* ("all public places are not the same, either on the internet or in the physical world. ...Reviews or criticism are typically posted to a fic that the author posted originally") (Dec 15, 2014)
* ("...the fandom community is NOT the indie publishing community. Stop trying to equate fanfiction writers feeling uncomfortable that they’re being dragged into an unfamiliar environment with indie authors who actively malign reviewers and employ sock puppets to troll reviews.") (Dec 15, 2014)
Dec 16, 2014
* ("This issue blew up recently because a lot of people just found out about their profiles/works being up there, and reactions have varied from “eh, whatever” to feeling grossly violated") (Dec 16, 2014)
* ("I'm setting up a an all fandom petition to have fanfiction removed as a category from Goodreads...")
*("My first thought when I heard this was happening was to simply pull all my fanfic from the internet and close my accounts.") (Dec 16, 2014)
* ("...don’t get me wrong, i have no problem at all with ppl criticising my work - if i did, i wouldn’t be putting it online in the first place. but i just wanted to add that within fandom, it’s considered common curtesy to direct such comments at the author personally..") (Dec 16 2014)
* ("If fanfic had been listed back when I used GR (about 3 years ago) I have to admit I would have used the listings. I never even thought about adding the listings (as am a GR Librarian) for all the reasons that have been talked about but i can understand why people are using them and have added them.") (Dec 16, 2014)
Dec 17, 2014
* ("I'm confused as to why people are mad about reviews? like..you can also review fic on ao3? either positively or negatively? Ive just seen people miffed because their fic got a bad review and it's completely allowed for someone to not like a fic?") (Dec 17, 2014)
* ("To be honest, I don’t understand the mentality of “OMG don’t link my fic!!” The whole point of posting a fic online is so that people read it. What kind of author doesn’t want readers? ) (Dec 17, 2014)
* (a message from a recent librarian grad student: "...do not call yourself a librarian if you do [add fanfic to Goodreads]. You will incur the wrath of those who actually understand that this goes against all policies and philosophies of librarianship....") (Dec 17, 2014)
* ("Right now, fandom creators and consumers are working under the unspoken ‘rule’ that unsolicited concrit is a no go.") (Dec 17, 2014)
*(an author writes about how easy it was to get their fic removed: "...was heartened to get this response only 2 days after I emailed.") (Dec 17, 2014)
* ("As long as my name goes with it I don’t really care [if it is listed on Goodreads] but others do, and that’s valid. So remember to ask, kids!") (Dec 17, 2014)
* ("For the record, I emailed goodreads with a screenshot and asked them to take my author profile down and they did within about 12 hours. They were very polite about it.") (Dec 17, 2014)
Dec 18, 2014
* and ("I think I’m the only fic author in existence trying to get my fic RE-ADDED to goodreads") (Dec 18, 2014)
* (author talks about how quickand easy it was to get GR to remove the fanfic listings) (Dec 18, 2014)
* and (Fan Author responds to Tumblr Ask about the risks of putting fanfic online) and ("First of all I was one of the lucky ones who managed to avoid getting bad reviews on my works and my fanfics and my author’s profile have now been erased from the site, as per my request.") (Dec 18, 2014)
* ("[my fanfic] is not meant to stand among actual published works.")(Dec 18, 2014)
* ("We can also add rudeness to their list of sins.") (Dec 18, 2014)
*("What is up with people taking advantages of fic writers? ") (Dec 18, 2014)
* ("The fics aren’t being uploaded, and I’m flabbergasted that people are a) anything but flattered or b) thinking that they can (or should be able to) control fannish behavior.") (Dec 18, 2014)
Dec 19, 2014
* ("I’m personally fine with people listing/reviewing my fic on goodreads.") (Dec 19, 2014)
* ("My group of Goodreads friends splintered over this issue. A lot of us were casual readers of fanfic but not active in fandoms, so we truly didn’t understand that this was wrong (including me). ") (Dec 19, 2014)
*("Goodreads librarian here. I’ll do everything to help sort this mess up, so no panic......Nobody uploaded the fanfics to Goodreads. They’re still AO3-exclusive. Goodreads it’s just this big social network where people can say that they have read, are currently reading or plan to read something..... That may include author information, story info and meta data, but not the stories themselves. Some even link to AO3 pages to read the fanfic. This isn’t very much different from tweeting the link to the fanfic or, say, adding it to “My favourite Fics” kind of list on your blog. Not very different, but still different, considering that Goodreads is a much more public directory and serves an entirely other purpose than blogs.") (Dec 19, 2014)
* ("I heard back from Goodreads support, and they strongly suggest authors to contact them directly. They’re prompt, I must say, so hopefully will address concerns and requests in no time.") (Dec 19, 2014)
Dec 21, 2014
* ("I’m angry and I’m anxious and I kinda have to resist the urge to delete everything and march straight off the internet altogether until that profile has been removed and I can sink back into my fannish non-existence.") (Dec 21, 2014)
* ("I was enormously happy and flattered to find my fanfics on Goodreads. Besides, you’re not supposed to put fanfics on that aren’t novel length, which cuts out all the silly little off the cuff fics. So thank you, anonymous person who made me an entry on there and put some of my fics there.") (Dec 21, 2014)
* ("I think the disintegration of the fourth wall may be playing a role here, insomuch as fans are claiming their enactment of fandom (whether it’s cosplay or fanfic or whathaveyou) as positive, proactive, and productive activities and refusing to be ashamed of them.") (Dec 21, 2014)
* (Dec 21, 2014) ("If you don’t like people acknowledging your fics, don’t post them.") (Dec 21, 2014)
* ("A lot of people use GR as a way to share recommendations, and yes, review. So what is so wrong with that? People have a right to sharing their own opinions. And if you want the information for the story (again, not the story itself) removed, then just get in contact with GR staff. It’s that simple....But really? Why attack people for wanting to share links to a story?") (Dec 21, 2014)
* ("yup. I have thought now and I think it is a tempest in a teapot. Heck, reviews are usually something folks WANT. And we’ve lauded good prolific reviewers since the days when we were all learning html to post to geocities.") (Dec 21, 2014)
Dec 23, 2014
* ("If anyone here reads my fics and likes them, hit the kudos button on AO3. Don’t rate them on Goodreads.") (Dec 23, 2014)
Dec 27, 2014
* ("This fandom policing BULLSHIT is unacceptable - trying to force people to not talk about a fic “without permission” is just…what?") (Dec 27, 2014)
* ("The thing about putting fic on GoodReads that really bothers me is that I have an author profile there, and I absolutely do not want it connected to my fandom identity. I haven’t made it difficult to find that profile, and don’t care if people know, but I don’t want my fic and my published fiction to appear under the same name ever. The fact that this is something that people can do by simply reviewing my fic on GR makes me deeply uncomfortable.") (Dec 27, 2014)
* ("That doesn’t change the fact that GR culture is pretty much the fundamental opposite of fandom culture, and for fanwork to be discussed there makes people really, really uncomfortable.")
* ("....you do not get to decide and lay down the boundaries for fandom culture. This is 100% about fandom expansion and migration, and not one whit about some imaginary lines you’ve created between “real” fandom culture, fanfic, and profic. Yes, that would be called “fandom policing.” If you don’t like it, don’t do it.") (Dec 27, 2014)
* ("There are folks who could lose their jobs, lose their kids, because some blowhard thinks their right to talk about fanfic in the name of “free speech” makes it ok to be a jerk about this stuff. They say— hey, if you post something on the Internet, you should know you have no control. I guess. To me, that’s kind of like saying, hey, if you used your credit card at Home Depot, you should know there was a chance your financial information could go public.") (Dec 27, 2014)
* ("Stopping people from using Goodreads to review fanfic has zero impact on the issues you’ve posted above. Those are very serious problems and deserve to be taken seriously, not used as straw men to try and stop people from using a platform you don’t like.")
* ("The problem of inappropriate information getting added to author profiles is a completely separate (and easily fixed—apparently goodreads users have fixed it already) issue from the question of whether or not readers are allowed to talk about fanfic on a platform of their choosing.") (Dec 27, 2014)
* ("Actually, you’re the one derailing a concern about people in service of your abstract principle.")
* ("....fandom, at it’s core, is a give and take relationship of fans. It should be enough that one person says ‘please don’t post my fic to Goodreads without my consent, I don’t want to have it there’.") (Dec 27, 2014)
* ("Your comment about “I don’t care if people know” has already sunk you, really. You didn’t care enough to make that wall a very substantial one, so now people are just walking over it. Unintended consequence? Yes. The fault of your readers? No. Something you have the right to ask them to stop doing? Yes, absolutely…well, you can try, anyway.") (Dec 27, 2014)
==Twitter Links==
===2012===
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===2013===
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===2014===
Jan 2014
* (Jan 16, 2014)
May 2014
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June 2014
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Sept 2014
* (Sept 25, 2014)
* ("There are fanfic reading groups on the site, even. With discussion threads and things...") (Sept 29, 2014)
Dec 14, 2014
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* (a fan attempts to report a Sterek discussion group on Goodreads, demanding that the forum be deleted) (Dec 14, 2014)
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* ("Hae contacted GoodReads to get the fanfic taken down. Still have no idea why anybody would post that stuff there.") (Dec 14, 2014)
Dec 15, 2014
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* ("there are still people who don't get the point [that you should not list fic on Goodreads], but I was pleased by the number who did.") (Dec 15, 2014)
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*http://web.archive.org/web/20141221070151/https://twitter.com/ratherastory/status/544539954584760320 ("Although forcing these people to comply [with not listing fic on Goodreads] is proving tricky.") (Dec 15, 2014)
Dec 16, 2014
*("There needs to be a Goodreads-esque app for fanfiction. I reread so many first chapters istg.) (Dec 16, 2014)
Dec 17, 2014
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* ("Using Goodreads as a portal for fanfic drives traffic to a for-profit site and, ultimately, generates ad revenue for Amazon.") (Dec 17, 2014)
Dec 19, 2014
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Dec 28, 2014
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==Livejournal/Dreamwidth==
April 2014
* ("Warum fügen nur so viele Leute fanfiction zu Goodreads hinzu?....Wie viele von diesen Leuten sind Lurker im Fandom und wieviele von Ihnnen sind wohl in Fanbereichen aktiv?")
Dec 15, 2014
* ("More fanfic and fanart thieves") (Dec 15, 2014)
* (fan authors asks if there is a petition she can sign in protest) (Dec 16, 2014)
* ("Someone on Goodreads is posting fic and it's associated art without the author or artists permission") (Dec 15, 2014)
* ("[Goodreads] compiles tons of stuff you can read on the internet, and apparently, it doesn't have any sense of ethics, and someone can recommand a story there... and the hell with the author's permission.") (Dec 15, 2014)
Dec 20, 2014
* (" Have you thought of going "friends only" & vetting all that wish to read?") and (" I don't want to stop writing, I love it, and having my stories f-lock is frustrating because that wouldn't be my choice but [one forced on me by Goodreads)") (Dec 20, 2014)
Dec 21, 2014
* ("People are placing fic on a site that's very much not geared toward fandom, and so the casual visitor to goodreads who doesn't have the context/knowledge of the fandom for which the fic was written (i.e. a lawyer or judge in a custody case, or a potential employer) would see these works about rape or incest or any number of other dark subject matter and be very very dubious of the author's ability to work well within the company or to competently raise children.") (Dec 21, 2014)
* ("Don’t bite me because I’m on Etoile’s side, but I will try to explain how Goodreads works...") (Dec 21, 2014)
Dec 23, 2014
* ("It's been a long time since I came onto this site but I'm doing now to explicitly state that I do not want my work posted to goodreads.com.") (Dec 23, 2014)
Dec 24
* ("Posting creatives is like walking out onto the internet in your underwear. And based on the last few weeks, and the Goodreads situation and the overall response to it, I have reached the point of needing to put on my pants and walk away.")
==Archive of Our Own==
Dec 2014
* ("There are many fandom related spaces to discuss fanfic, I personally do not think goodreads is one of them. These are fanfics, not actual books and I don't want my fic there. I don't want to stress about copyrights or people I know who don't read fic but use goodreads finding it, I don't want to stress about my job. I want and need my fandom life to be separate from my real one and my work being linked on goodreads makes that feel precarious to me.")
* ("Fanfiction has been on Goodreads since it started and having this attack now is doing nothing but making all of us who love fanfiction feel like we are not worthy. I never in a million years thought that a fandom was filled with such mean people.") (Dec 23, 2014)
* ("So I take it you would like us to post our reviews here at AO3? Those of us who were lucky enough to back up our Goodreads accounts recently have those reviews saved. So we could post them in the comments for the work. If that is really what you want.") (Dec 23, 2014)
* ("There are, however, other people on the other side of this and we are only seeing one side. How else would I learn your side of the story (as they say) if you didn't bother to tell me your own thoughts on the matter? This is the same for them, we all want to say our part and shouldn't both sides be allowed the same chance") (Dec 23, 2014)
* ("I think it doesn't matter that you don't see the problem. What matters is that it's MY work, I took the time to write it, I chose to share it, and if I am (or any author is, and clearly many are) asking explicitly that you not post links to it in a certain place because I'm uncomfortable then you should respect my wishes. The end.") (Dec 23, 2014)
==Other Locations==
* (how other book sites are handling the issue)
Category:Websites