Bug triage/2008-11-19/Transcript

* [15:02] Bridie Linden: Today's agenda - pretty short: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:02] Charity Colville: Hello Bridie...thanks for having us
* [15:02] Bridie Linden: Thx for coming!
* [15:02] Charity Colville: hey baby ....I am over here
* [15:02] Gellan Glenelg: ummmm ella!
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: Our QA team is working valiantly towards the 1.22 RC0
* [15:03] Ellla McMahon: hehehe .. I rez so slowly !!!
* [15:03] Cummere Mayo: acks sorry im late
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: No probs
* [15:03] Bridie Linden: Just about to start: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
* [15:03] Cummere Mayo: and um if rc0 is anything like todays nightly kick them HARD
* [15:03] Latif Khalifa: 1.22 looking good, except for that friendship offer thingie :)
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: Not sure if this first one is a bug or misunderstanding...
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: VWR-3302[c
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3302
* [15:04] Charity Colville: Well Bridie I am involved in that one
* [15:04] Cummere Mayo: bug. soemthing corrupts sometimes and wont allow you to uncheck that
* [15:04] Bridie Linden: Oh Cool Charity -
* [15:05] Charity Colville: if you UNCHECK include mature parcels....they still come back in search
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: Gotcha
* [15:05] Bridie Linden: Zen, would this be a viewer issue?
* [15:06] Zen Linden: can't say for sure
* [15:06] Cummere Mayo: easy repo type sex into places search
* [15:06] Charity Colville: I originally listed it as a veiwer issue, but someone made it a bug instead...said it was a duplicate
* [15:06] Bridie Linden: Well, let's import - not new to 1.22 apparently
* [15:06] Cummere Mayo: then uncheck it and try again
* [15:06] Cummere Mayo: even though the viewer syas its unchecked its not
* [15:07] Charity Colville: for instance in my case....I search for Jazz as my club is jazz
* [15:07] Bridie Linden: so checking/unchecking doesn't seem to do anything?
* [15:07] Ellla McMahon: what effect does the About land Options tab have
* [15:07] Ellla McMahon: under land options "Mature Content"
* [15:07] Charity Colville: we get back many other clubs that are not PG but mature regions
* [15:07] Latif Khalifa: this is not viewer thing, its parcel owners not setting mature content
* [15:07] Ellla McMahon: this land is marked Mature but About land is not showing the box ticked
* [15:07] Charity Colville: they are set mature
* [15:08] Dilbert Dilweg: Actually i notive if i Uncheck mature some list and some dont not all that normally list when having mature check
* [15:08] Dilbert Dilweg: noticee*
* [15:08] Latif Khalifa: Chairty. region is Mature, parcel is set as not
* [15:08] Charity Colville: search is bringing them back in search even with invcluding mature unchecked
* [15:08] Charity Colville: they are set as mature regions
* [15:08] Charity Colville: as are the parcels
* [15:08] Latif Khalifa: Charity, the search does not look into region
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: i see -
* [15:09] Latif Khalifa: it looks into parcel properties
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: doesn't sound like viewer
* [15:09] Bridie Linden: should we move to SVC? and import then
* [15:09] Cummere Mayo: regardless it stills hows mature parcels even when it shouldnt
* [15:09] Cummere Mayo: and who si firing off a gun ><
* [15:09] Latif Khalifa: its really governene issue
* [15:10] Zen Linden: yeah, bridie, i can think of some convoluted ways for it to be viewer, but i'd err on svc
* [15:10] Charity Colville: well its a violation of community standards if folks keep ending up on sims they don't intend to
* [15:10] Bridie Linden: Well we can do more digging/discussing once it's imported
* [15:10] Bridie Linden: Please add your comments (if any of you haven't) :)
* [15:10] Cummere Mayo: lol chairty LL tends to ignore its own community standards
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: VWR-9792[c
* [15:11] Dilbert Dilweg: Does the same for ALL search as well Like if i search for lounge Visionz Lounge shows up and it is mature
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9792
* [15:11] Cummere Mayo: been around since 1.19 can we PLEASE get this one fixed?
* [15:11] Charity Colville: thats been a bug forever but is it viewer lag?
* [15:11] Bridie Linden: I remember hearing about VWR-9577
* [15:11] Alexa Linden: I've never had that
* [15:11] Gellan Glenelg: dupe of? or related to VWR-9577?
* [15:11] Latif Khalifa: its more like "viewer keeps running in the background after it closes its main window"
* [15:11] Alexa Linden: unless in laggy locations
* [15:12] Cummere Mayo: if you have the audio stream going when you quit it makes 9577 worse
* [15:12] Bridie Linden: Not sure if it's a dupe or not...
* [15:12] Alexa Linden: CoLA and harajukubox I get this a lot
* [15:12] Cummere Mayo: but its not cuased by or the cuase of the other
* [15:12] Cummere Mayo: is still tyring to guess alexa's cola char
* [15:13] Latif Khalifa: i have seen it for some limited time, from 10 sec to minute or so after the main window closes
* [15:13] Alexa Linden: ya, I've had that but can never get it to duplicate
* [15:13] Bridie Linden: This is a 'sometimes' issue...
* [15:13] Alexa Linden: like when i crash and can still here a voice meeting :p
* [15:14] Alexa Linden: hear*
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: i'm tempted to wait and see what happens with 9577
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: We'll keep an eye on it, but let's move on for now
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: VWR-10542[c
* [15:14] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10542
* [15:15] Charity Colville: I am not going to comment on showcase
* [15:15] Latif Khalifa: neither lol
* [15:16] Alexa Linden: hey, I prefer it over the top places which were totally gamed :\
* [15:16] Dilbert Dilweg: coughs
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: Hmm works for me..
* [15:16] Alexa Linden: me too
* [15:16] Zen Linden: on mac?
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: Yes but I'm on 10.4.11
* [15:16] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
* [15:16] Cummere Mayo: easy bug fix... kill showcase as a "feature" the whole thing is more of a bug
* [15:16] Charity Colville: Agreed Alexa but showcase is borked too
* [15:16] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
* [15:16] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
* [15:16] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
* [15:16] Alexa Linden: who's hogging the sarts!
* [15:16] Dilbert Dilweg: lol'
* [15:16] Bridie Linden: Zen can you repro?
* [15:17] Zen Linden: i'm not on mac... let me grab mine
* [15:17] Bridie Linden: the sarts look like white squares to me atm --> showstopper!
* [15:17] Cummere Mayo: sadly the links do work for me but im on windows
* [15:17] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
* [15:17] Alexa Linden: hahaha
* [15:17] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
* [15:17] Bridie Linden: sad
* [15:17] Latif Khalifa: its the texture cache
* [15:17] Latif Khalifa: someone ought to fix it ;)
* [15:18] Latif Khalifa: its in a sorry state ;)
* [15:18] Alexa Linden: :p
* [15:18] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
* [15:18] Cummere Mayo: chuckles "theres a reason that unless i need mono stuff i still run on the 1.20 viewer now
* [15:18] Bridie Linden: we'll come back to 10542, but sounds like candidate for QA
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: Next VWR-10530[c
* [15:19] Zen Linden: bridie, it's going to be awhile for me to try and repro. if anyone else repros it, i'd be up for import
* [15:19] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10530
* [15:19] Zen Linden: yep
* [15:19] Alexa Linden: Hey Joeseph :D
* [15:19] Joeseph Albanese: Hey kids
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: Hiya Joes!
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: kk Zen
* [15:20] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
* [15:20] Joeseph Albanese: Am I sitting on someone?
* [15:20] Joeseph Albanese: oh there it goes
* [15:20] Alexa Linden: nope :)
* [15:20] Zen Linden: bridie, showcase links work for me on a 10.5.5 install on an older MBP
* [15:20] Cummere Mayo: vote for import on 10530 but at low priority
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: 10530 repros, but is perhaps low priority?
* [15:20] Zen Linden: wait
* [15:20] Zen Linden: this is 1.21. nvmd
* [15:20] Bridie Linden: jinx Cummere!
* [15:20] Cummere Mayo: great minds bridie
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: Clearly :)
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: Next up
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: VWR-10358[c
* [15:21] Cummere Mayo: i swear ll should hire me then again, ild kill have the execs before my first day was over
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10358
* [15:21] Cummere Mayo: *half not have
* [15:21] Bridie Linden: easy there cowgirl
* [15:21] Charity Colville: weren't there several fixes for that?
* [15:22] Cummere Mayo: there were..... then it got broked again
* [15:22] Bridie Linden: So Ellla says it's fixed, but Cummere u say not for you?
* [15:22] Bridie Linden: same PN version?
* [15:22] Bridie Linden: Zen just became an imposter!
* [15:22] Zen Linden: oh noes!
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: your back
* [15:23] Cummere Mayo: i have the newest nightly and if i crash and then try and log back in i crash on entering
* [15:23] Cummere Mayo: i already gave up on it
* [15:23] Alexa Linden: from any locations?
* [15:23] Charity Colville: what the heck is the prob with SL and Nvidia?
* [15:23] Latif Khalifa: experiences a bug right now
* [15:23] Cummere Mayo: and deleted it. and commenting with my specks as SL incorrectly reads them right now
* [15:23] Alexa Linden: do you switch login locations?
* [15:23] Bridie Linden: Which driver version Cummere?
* [15:23] Cummere Mayo: ive tried doing taht alexia. doesnt always work
* [15:24] Alexa Linden: hmmmm
* [15:24] Cummere Mayo: same one that ellla has
* [15:24] Cummere Mayo: 178.13
* [15:24] Bridie Linden: how do you get in at all then?
* [15:24] Dilbert Dilweg: heh i have all kinds of Nvidia probs. Black water . have to disable Atmospheric shaders to get the terain to rez under the water
* [15:24] Zen Linden: sorry bout that
* [15:25] Cummere Mayo: also tried disabling my geforce and going though the built in 6100 and it still crashes
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: about logging off or nvidia things, Zen?:)
* [15:25] Squirrel Wood: 180.something is the latest drivers
* [15:25] Cummere Mayo: im in on the 1.21 rc right now bridie :P
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: ah
* [15:25] Bridie Linden: well, please post your system specs for us Cummere
* [15:25] Zen Linden: getting logged off
* [15:25] Zen Linden: and nvidia things!
* [15:25] Cummere Mayo: i just did didnt it take?
* [15:26] Colton Linden: wb Zen
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: in PJIRA please
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: ty!
* [15:26] Alexa Linden: no
* [15:26] Cummere Mayo: grrr *goes and reposts*
* [15:26] Joeseph Albanese: its been slow today on updating
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: I'll ping Ramzi and Bambers on it
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: NExt up
* [15:26] Bridie Linden: VWR-10433[c
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10433
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: oh we discussed before
* [15:27] Zen Linden: bridie, 1.22, the latest public nightly, i have no problem with the links, that's on an MBP with an ATI x1600
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: Sorry bout that
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: let's look @
* [15:27] Bridie Linden: VWR-10466[c
* [15:28] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10466
* [15:28] Zen Linden: that one is by design
* [15:28] Bridie Linden: nods
* [15:28] Zen Linden: we're now capping memory at 512
* [15:28] Cummere Mayo: bridie you can cancel that one. ive added a pjira for a feature request to turn off ALL oreintation/tip functions for new avis
* [15:28] Zen Linden: as going above would occasionally cause problems
* [15:28] Charity Colville: makes sense
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: Zen, could you comment in the issue? and then let's resolve
* [15:29] Cummere Mayo: and the repo on 10433 is way too hard
* [15:29] Zen Linden: will do
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: Thx
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: Next
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: VWR-10546[c
* [15:29] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10546
* [15:30] Bridie Linden: should we make this a dupe of nvidia issue?
* [15:30] Cummere Mayo: not the same issue
* [15:30] Dilbert Dilweg: i have had that problem a few times but it is not Consistant
* [15:31] Charity Colville: again you are Nvidia
* [15:31] Cummere Mayo: cause i get this issue on a machine without an nvidea card
* [15:31] Charity Colville: I am not and never had that issue
* [15:31] Zen Linden: ah, good to know
* [15:31] Bridie Linden: Cummere, could you attach your log next time instead of pasting into a comment? :)
* [15:31] Cummere Mayo: and the crash reports show a differant trigger
* [15:32] Cummere Mayo: would if i could have bridie
* [15:32] Cummere Mayo: it wouldnt let me. soemthing on that systems firewall i think
* [15:32] Bridie Linden: Save into a text file and attach wouldn't work?
* [15:32] Charity Colville: correction ...I AM Nvidia....blonde moment
* [15:32] Dilbert Dilweg: lol'
* [15:32] Alexa Linden: :)
* [15:32] Charity Colville: I still have never had the problem
* [15:32] Alexa Linden: thanks Charity :)
* [15:33] Joeseph Albanese: no comment otherwise I will have it tomorrow
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: Let's see if we can get any other reports
* [15:33] Latif Khalifa: i have a question
* [15:33] Latif Khalifa: would missing name in funds transfer dialog be a vwr or svc?
* [15:33] Bridie Linden: Yes Latif? does it have to do with animating my av? ;)
* [15:33] Cummere Mayo: well wont be form me till next release. i deleted todays already. 32 login attempts led to crashs today and i gave up
* [15:33] Latif Khalifa: no lol, better not take out the avatar deformation tool :)
* [15:34] Alexa Linden: in the blue screen ?
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: There were other issues going on today, too Cummere
* [15:34] Alexa Linden: when someone buys something?
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: where is alexa
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: i have a screenshot
* [15:34] Alexa Linden: ooh can you drop on me?
* [15:34] Alexa Linden: this is an odd one
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: gave you missing name in funds transfer dialog bug.
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: Thx
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: i was trying to find you
* [15:34] Cummere Mayo: shrugs true but i was able to login perfectly using either 1.20 or 1.21 viewers bridie
* [15:34] Bridie Linden: is that on 1.24 server?
* [15:34] Dilbert Dilweg: Latif i had that problem with 1.25 server the other day Somone payed an object and did not show their name.. But that went away after they rolled back because HTTP requests failed
* [15:34] Alexa Linden: wow
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: it started in 1.25 and 1.22 viewer, dunno who to blame it on ;)
* [15:35] Alexa Linden: that's an odd one Latif
* [15:35] Alexa Linden: I've never seen this
* [15:35] Latif Khalifa: happens in approx 10% of the cases
* [15:35] Latif Khalifa: since today
* [15:35] Alexa Linden: hmmm
* [15:35] Latif Khalifa: i'll blame it on prospero
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: I *heard* report of name not showing with a ' in it...
* [15:35] Dilbert Dilweg: hahaha
* [15:35] Alexa Linden: if you go online and check your transactions
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: Poor Pro...
* [15:35] Latif Khalifa: he's not getting any sleep anyway
* [15:35] Alexa Linden: do the names list there?
* [15:35] Bridie Linden: That's for sure
* [15:35] Ellla McMahon: similar to this 
* [15:35] Charity Colville: I have had that several times the last few days....menu said "paid you 200" or whatever without a name
* [15:35] Latif Khalifa: hold on, let me check my transaction history
* [15:36] Charity Colville: figured it was a database issue
* [15:36] Alexa Linden: thanks charity
* [15:36] Cummere Mayo: i had the reverse happen today
* [15:36] Cummere Mayo: in gurlywood
* [15:36] Alexa Linden: I haven't seen that
* [15:36] Latif Khalifa: could be related to that
* [15:36] Bridie Linden: Interesting, keep us posted
* [15:36] Latif Khalifa: names missing all over the place
* [15:36] Cummere Mayo: paid an object for a hair and it didnt lsit who i paid in that box
* [15:36] Bridie Linden: Today?
* [15:36] Bridie Linden: Today there was sadness
* [15:36] Cummere Mayo: yep today
* [15:36] Bridie Linden: network sadness etc
* [15:36] Cummere Mayo: and gurlywood is on 1.25 it didnt get rolled back
* [15:36] Charity Colville: if I see it again I will get a screenshot and check my trans history
* [15:37] Bridie Linden: 
* [15:37] Latif Khalifa: never seen this happen before
* [15:37] Bridie Linden: Thx Charity
* [15:37] Latif Khalifa: even with the worst outages
* [15:37] Alexa Linden: thanks and feel welcome to drop it on me charity
* [15:37] Charity Colville: will do
* [15:37] Dilbert Dilweg: The only time i experienced it was when 1.25 server pilot was rolled but havent seen it since on my end
* [15:37] Bridie Linden: So 1.22 RC0 is still hoping to see daylight this week...
* [15:37] Charity Colville: no this happened today as well
* [15:38] Latif Khalifa: transaction history is unaffected
* [15:38] Latif Khalifa: thank god :)
* [15:38] Alexa Linden: ok thanks for that
* [15:38] Alexa Linden: ya, no kidding
* [15:38] Cummere Mayo: yeah and for me it occured AFTER the all clear on the network issues too
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: 1.25 Server is (currently) still on pilot regions on agni
* [15:38] Bridie Linden: and available for testing on aditi too
* [15:39] Joeseph Albanese: I have a few pilot regions if someone needs space to test things lemme know
* [15:39] Latif Khalifa: ok filining this against 1.25 svc
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: Thx Latif
* [15:39] Alexa Linden: thanks Joeseph and Latif
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: and of course feel free to ping us if you can repro any of these critical viewer or server issues
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: I think we should call it a wrap for today
* [15:39] Latif Khalifa: will do, tried to catch up with prospero, but he's not responding :)
* [15:39] Bridie Linden: Many thanks for your continued help and time!
* [15:40] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
* [15:40] Alexa Linden: thank you all for coming and welcome to the new faces!
* [15:40] Joeseph Albanese: Hes prob in a coma
* [15:40] Alexa Linden: we hope to see you again :)
* [15:40] Latif Khalifa: haha
* [15:40] Colton Linden: take care everyone
* [15:40] Squirrel Wood: ^^
* [15:40] Bridie Linden: I'll ping him...thx all!
* [15:40] Bambers Linden: I see I got here just in time
* [15:40] Squirrel Wood: take cake?
* [15:40] Latif Khalifa: lets not animate anyone :)
* [15:40] Dilbert Dilweg: Take care all and thanks for having us
* [15:40] Cummere Mayo: lol hi bambers
* [15:40] Charity Colville: Thanks all :) We appreciate being heard
* [15:40] Alexa Linden: have a good evening everyone!