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Minutes/2022-05-06

Present: RL, TM, JE
* Administration
** Processing of rmgroup control messages
*** TM reported that he had contacted Eternal-September. They have replied that they are investigating the matter and suspect that it's a technical issue on their end.
*** TM reported that he had contacted Panix. They have replied that the rmgroup messages were not processed due to a technical issue on their end relating to the signing keys. The issue has been fixed, they have processed the latest checkgroups, and will continue to process control messages in the future.
*** TM reported that he had contact Aioe.org but has so far received no response.
** moderator search
*** JE reports that the discussion is continuing but so far so one has volunteered.
** Adding Members to the Board draft
*** No further progress; agreed to defer to next meeting.
** How to volunteer updates
*** TM reported that he has removed all on-wiki references to the Working Groups (except the Technical Team) and has notified those existing members with whom we were in contact that their services are no longer required.
** Control message signing key
*** TM reported that has updated on-wiki references to our control message signing key so that both the old and new keys are described.
** news.groups.proposals draft RFD
*** TM reported that he drafted an RFD to suspend news.groups.proposals in favour of news.groups. JE agrees with the RFD; RL hasn't yet read it in detail. Agreed RL would read the RFD and send feedback. If no major changes are to be discussed, then TM can post the RFD.
** Volunteer moderator
*** TM reported that Salahuddin has now set up STUMP with a view to serving as a volunteer moderator. TM to follow up on whether the installation is working
* Publicity
** Off the Hook
*** TM reported that he wrote to Rob Vincent on 2022-05-04 regarding their recent program on Usenet and offering to participate in any future show they may be planning
** Register
*** No further updates from JE; agreed to defer.
** CarolinaCon talk
*** JE's talk is now available on YouTube as part of an omnibus recording of an entire conference day. Agreed to hold off on publicizing the video for now, as the organizers may be splitting the video up into individual talk videos.
* Infrastructure
** Forwarding for Board's main e-mail address
*** JE reported that he is still in the process of deactivating the forwarding for the Board's main account.
** Own NNTP server
** JP suggested that the Board could set up its own NNTP server for internal use with a view to eventually using it for self-hosted (Web)STUMP. The Board agreed that this was a good idea but low priority, since migrating the Panix scripts would be a major undertaking.
* STUMP
** JE reported that he has committed some changes to the codebase.
** TM reported that Salahuddin indicated he may be willing to (help) maintain STUMP. TM to follow up.
* Misc
** TM gave apologies for the 13 and 20 May meetings.
** It was agreed to cancel 13 May meeting, except in case of urgent business.
** It was agreed to reschedule the 20 May meeting to 19 May at 16:00.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-05-19

Present: TM, JE
* Wiki/administration
** TM has not yet posted the RFD but will do so after he hears back from RL.
** JE reported that he has updated the Other Usenet Hierarchies page with contact details for the de.* and uk.* hierarchies, which remain actively administered. The meeting discussed several other hierarchies that appeared to be actively administered. It was agreed that JE would try to find contact details for these and update our wiki accordingly. The Board would then reach out to the other hierarchy administrators to ask whether they might be interested in attending one of our meetings (either all together or one at a time) to meet-and-greet, share advice, etc.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-05-27

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Administration
** RFD for changes to 
*** TM noted some discussion so far; TM to post 2nd RFD according to schedule
* Other
** JE has updated the other hierarchies page, and noticed that the List of Usenet public managed hierarchies, to which we already link, already duplicates much of the information on our page.
** Apologies for next meeting from RL
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-06-03

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Administration
** RFD for changes to 
*** TM has drafted a 2nd RFD and sent to JE and RL for review. JE and RL to e-mail TM with any necessary changes (or approval to publish as-is).
** Volunteer moderator
*** Salahuddin to write back to TM after 8 June
* (Web)STUMP
** Salahuddin to write back after 8 June re contributing to (Web)STUMP
* Other
** JE has observed recent control message activity for the following other hierarchies: us.* de.* fr.* it.* hun.* rtfm.* uk.*
** It was agreed that at its next fully attended meeting, the Board would propose a date to meet the other administrators
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-06-24

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Administration
** TM reported that the 2nd RFD for changes to has been posted; a few more comments have been received. The meeting agreed that TM could post the LCC when appropriate.
** TM reported that he hasn't yet heard from or contacted Salahuddin, but will write to him soon.
* (Web)STUMP
** TM reported that he hasn't yet heard from or contacted Salahuddin, but will write to him soon.
* Publicity/outreach
** The meeting agreed that 12, 19, or 26 August would be best for a meeting with the other hierarchy admins. JE to get in touch with them to schedule something mutually convenient.
** JE reported that he delivered his five-minute presentation on the Board at SuseCon. JE will put it on the Board's YouTube channel if SuseCon doesn't put it on theirs.
* Misc
** TM will be away on 1 July and 5 August; JE will be away on 22 and 29 July. It was agreed not to hold meetings on these days, except in case of urgent business.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-07-08

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Administration
** RFD
*** TM posted the LCC on 27 June; the voting period began on 2 July and will end on 9 July.
*** The meeting discussed the RFD, including all comments received so far, and unanimously decided to reject the proposal.
*** TM to post the result
** Volunteer moderators
*** TM has heard back from Salahuddin, who had been using the obsolete stable version of (Web)STUMP and asked where moderation problems can be discussed. TM pointed him to the latest development version of (Web)STUMP on GNU Savannah and to news.admin.moderation.
* Misc
** Meeting with other hierarchy admins
*** JE: Julien Elie would like to attend to discuss signing keys. Later is better for him.
*** JE: Jean-Daniel Dodin from FR.* would like to attend. He has no specific time requirements.
*** JE: Sent another email to the DE.* admins. I received a better email address from them.
*** JE: No response from US.* or UK.* admins. I will send a second email.
*** The meeting agreed to propose 12 August 2022 at 19:00 CEST for the meeting. JE to contact the other admins to confirm their availability.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-08-12

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Administration
** 
*** TM has informed the ISC that Salahuddin has taken over moderatorship. Once they confirm they have updated the moderation address, and once Salahuddin sends the URL for the group's new website, TM will post a message to the group announcing the change in moderator.
* Infrastructure
** The Board agreed that TM could delete the (corrupted) disk image of the Board's previous web server, which had been sent by Roman Racine, since all usable data had already been extracted
* Misc
** Meeting with other hierarchy admins
*** JE was unable to confirm other admins' attendance, so today's tentative meeting has been cancelled. JE to get back in touch with the other admins with a proposal to meet on 19 August 2022 at 19:00 CEST.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-08-26

Present: TM, JE, RL
* Administration
** TM has not yet written to ISC to follow up on the change of moderator request. Will do so tonight, and also get in touch with Salahuddin.
* (Web)STUMP
** JE inquired whether there was any news on volunteer developers. TM indicated that Salahuddin had volunteered, and would raise the topic again once the moderation issue was solved.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-09-02

Present: TM, RL
Apologies: JE
* Administration
** TM received a reply from Todd McComb indicating that the moderator change request for was carried out and that we ought to have been notified by some "automated email". TM to ask about this automated e-mail, since we never received it.
** TM also received an e-mail from Salahuddin requesting help on submitting approved posts. TM has written back with advice, and will follow up.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-09-09

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Administration
** 
*** TM wrote to Todd and Russ about the automated notifications for moderator changes, and Russ has added the Board's e-mail address to the recipient list
*** Salahuddin has confirmed that his news server has agreed to let him post articles with an Approved header
*** TM has submitted an announcement of the change in moderator, following past examples from the Board, and received an auto-acknowledgment from Salahuddin's STUMP instance. The auto-acknowledgment had a faulty Reply-To header, which TM reported to Salahuddin. Salahuddin wants to fix this issue before approving TM's article.
* Misc
** JE reports that Julien Elie still wants to meet with the Board. It was agreed to schedule the meeting for Friday, 23 September at 19:00 CEST on the Board's usual Jitsi channel. JE to inform Julien Elie.
** TM reported that his interview with Ronda Hauben has been accepted for publication in Internet Histories and should appear soon
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-09-16

Present: TM, RL, JE
* Administration
** 
*** Salahuddin is still having difficulties in getting approved posts to show up. TM is continuing to offer support.
* Infrastructure
* (Web)STUMP
* Misc
** JE gave notice that, as of 1 October 2022, he will be stepping back from Board duties for the time being due to other commitments. He has provided TM and RL with documentation on the Board's web and domain hosting accounts.
** TM reported that his interview with Ronda Hauben has been published in an ahead-of-print version, and will be free to read for a time:Tristan Miller, Camille Paloque-Bergès, and Avery Dame-Griff. Remembering Netizens: An interview with Ronda Hauben, co-author of Netizens: On the history and impact of Usenet and the Internet (1997). Internet Histories: Digital Technology, Culture and Society, 2022. ISSN 2470-1483. DOI: 10.1080/24701475.2022.2123120.
** JE confirmed that Julian Élie will be meeting with the Board on 23 September at 19:00.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-09-30

Present: TM, RL
* Administration
** TM: Salahuddin still has problems posting approved messages to . TM continuing to provide support. JE and RL suggested that he be referred to Paul Schleck if necessary, who might have further insights.
* Infrastructure
** RL has updated the payment details on the Contabo account
** RL attempted to check the payment details on the Godaddy account but was unable to log in due to an endless loop of e-mail confirmations redirecting back to the login page. RL to try a different browser; if that doesn't work, TM to investigate.
* (Web)STUMP
** Time permitting, RL will to do some further development work on (Web)STUMP in the coming week
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-10-07

Present: TM, RL
* Administration
** TM: Still helping Salahuddin with issues.
* Infrastructure
** mail.big-8.org status checks e-mails
*** TM added RL to the recipient list for these automated e-mails
*** The latest e-mail contained only error messages, perhaps due to some misconfiguration with our Mail-in-a-Box installation. The status checks were still visible via the Mail-in-a-Box web interface, and indicated that a reboot was necessary. TM rebooted the server but this caused the web interface to go down (even though the service itself was running). RL to investigate further, and also to upgrade Mail-in-a-Box if possible/advisable.
** GoDaddy
*** TM and RL were unable to log into GoDaddy earlier this week, as they received an endless cycle of confirmation code challenges
*** RL reported that the problem seems to have resolved by itself and he has now added his own payment details
* (Web)STUMP
** RL has commited fixes for Bug 61983. TM to review.
** RL has reviewed Bug 59261, concurs with TM's assessment that the logic in the script is erroneous, and moreover believes that the entire script is useless (at least nowadays). RL to remove the script altogether.
* Publicity
** LibrePlanet 2023 call for sessions
*** TM suggested that the Board could present the talk by JE and RL that was rejected two years ago, and then not submitted at all last year (due to lack of time). RL to ask JE if he is still interested in presenting, or if not, if we can have his slides so that RL can present (alone or together with TM).
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-10-21

Present: TM, RL
* Administration
** TM: Still helping Salahuddin with issues.
* Infrastructure
** mail.big-8.org status checks change notice errors
*** JE has got it working again; it had upgraded itself and overwritten our custom configuration. JE has pointed out the config file to RL so that he can restore in the event that this problem recurs.
** Godaddy
*** RL has added own account info for billing.
** Polling script for Jonathan Kamens's WebSTUMP instance
*** RL fixed a problem with the polling script that caused it to save a copy of the remote web page to our local drive on each poll
* (Web)STUMP
** RL has removed the hostname replacement script, per last meeting's discussion
* Misc
** LibrePlanet 2023 call for sessions
*** RL to ping JE for slides
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-11-11

Present: TM, RL
* Administration
** TM: Still helping Salahuddin with issues. Asked him to try posting an article manually via telnet to verify that the news server is accepting posts. If so, will refer him to RL and Paul Schleck for further advice, as I've exhausted my own ideas.
* Misc
** LibrePlanet 2023 call for sessions has been extended to 23 November. RL to determine whether it's feasible for him to prepare a session proposal and the talk itself, as TM will be too busy to be involved much in the writing. (TM still available to help present if desired.)
** TM will be away on 2 December, so agreed to cancel the Board meeting for that day.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-11-18

Present: TM, RL
* Administration
** TM reports no further update on 
* Infrastructure
** RL reports that the webmail system went down again twice, for the same reason (configuration file overwritten by an automatic update) and that. He will investigate whether it is possible to prevent this.
* Misc
** LibrePlanet 2023 call for sessions: It was agreed to submit a session proposal on Usenet moderation, including an introduction to (Web)STUMP. The abstract will make reference to the recent problems with Twitter and a comparison between Mastodon and Usenet. RL to draft an abstract and send to TM for comments/revision before submission by 23 November.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-12-16

Present: TM, RL
* Administration
** 
*** TM reports that Salahuddin solved the approval problem with some help from Eternal September. (The problems related to the server port and wrapping long header lines.) TM has posted a Moderator Found announcement and is waiting for Salahuddin to approve it. Once he does so, TM will mirror the announcement on the Board's website.
** Removal of 
*** To recap, the moderators had shut down the moderation system in November 2021. At that time, the Board had proposed starting the group removal process but Paul Schleck argued for a two-year cooling-off period. The Board had therefore agreed to revisit the matter in one year (i.e., now.). At the current meeting the Board noted no further developments in the last year, and so following Paul's original suggestion, agreed to reconsider the removal process by November 2022.
* (Web)STUMP
** RL raised the idea of writing a Thunderbird add-on with (Web)STUMP's functionality, which would obviate the need for a client/server–based tool. TM seemed to recall that Thunderbird add-ons are sandboxed and so any functionality provided by external tools (PGPMoose, etc.) might need to be reimplemented in the add-on itself. It was agreed that RL would do a preliminary feasibility study of the idea.
** TM raised the idea of applying for funding for development of (Web)STUMP (or a successor tool) from the Open Technology Fund's Interneet Freedom Fund. It was agreed that the Board would look into the application requirements and process.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2022-12-30

Present: TM, RL
* Administration
** 
*** TM has mirrored the Moderator Found announcement on the Board's website.
* Infrastructure
* (Web)STUMP
** Thunderbird add-on
*** RL has been familiarizing himself with the Thunderbird add-on API and will continue to do so as time permits.
** Funding
*** No progress yet on investigating OTF IFF funding.
*** RL raised the idea of applying for funding from NGI, which has several open calls relating to research and development of technology for social computing, information access, etc. The meeting reviewed the open calls and determined that there was probably not enough time to meet this year's deadlines (1 February 2023), and that funds could probably not be used by persons/entities in the UK.
* Misc
** Agreed to cancel the 6 January 2023 meeting due to it being a public holiday in Austria.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2022
Minutes/2023-01-13

Present: TM, RL
* Infrastructure
** WebSTUMP instance for news.groups.proposals is down following an upgrade by Jonathan Kamens. TM has reported this to the Google Group run by Jonathan Kamens but has not yet received a response. TM to wait a few more days for a response; if none, he will try e-mailing Jonathan directly.
** Thunderbird add-on
*** RL has been continuing to familiarize himself with the Thunderbird add-on API, and will continue to do so as time permits.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2023-01-20

Present: TM, RL
* Administration
** Board received an e-mail enquiry on 2023-01-18 regarding group creation/management and the Board's relationship with Google Groups. JE responded on 2023-01-19.
* Infrastructure
** WebSTUMP instance for news.groups.proposals is still down following an upgrade by Jonathan Kamens. TM has pinged Jonathan Kamens directly.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2023-01-27

Present: TM, RL
* Infrastructure
** JK has fixed the WebSTUMP instance for news.groups.proposals.
* Publicity
** RL's proposed talk has been accepted for presentation at LibrePlanet 2023. A time slot of Sunday, 19 March 2023 from 13:35 to 14:20 EDT has been assigned. (Presumably 18:35 to 19:20 CET or 17:35 to 18:20 GMT.) RL to clarify connection details with the FSF and to start preparing the talk. TM will provide input on the draft.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2023-02-10

Present: TM, RL
* Website
** Paul Schleck suggested adding a link to the Board's wiki. JE has now done this.
* Publicity
** LibrePlanet 2023 talk
*** Organizers asked about the licence for TM's presentation; TM has responded by saying any of the proposed licences is fine
*** TM suggested using Sozi to produce the presentation
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2023-03-10

Present: TM, RL
* Infrastructure
** JE has paid for the big-8.org domain for another two years. TM invited him to claim the expense from the Board's Open Collective account.
* Publicity
** LibrePlanet 2023 talk
*** Agreed to have an online meeting on 14 March at 00:00 to run through and tweak the talk and to test the conference presentation system 
*** Our talk is scheduled for 13:35 - 14:20 EDT (17:35 UTC) on 19 March
* Misc
** Agreed to cancel the 17 March meeting due to TM's unavailability
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2023-03-24

Present: TM, RL
* Publicity
** LibrePlanet 2023 talk
*** TM publicized our talk in advance on the Board's website and social media channels and also on Usenet.
*** Our talk on 19 March seemed to be a success, with no technical hiccups and several audience questions. The organizers will presumably notify us when the video of the talk has been published. 
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2023-04-21

Present: TM, RL
* Administration
** E-mail from a moderator seeking a replacement (confidential): TM has already responded with some suggestions
** Query in about the lack of posts in . TM has confirmed with Salahuddin that the moderation system is still working. Unfortunately, all submissions so far have been rejected as off-topic (spam, etc.). TM suggested to Salahuddin that perhaps the group's return to functionality may need to be better publicized. Paul Schleck, in a follow-up on , has provided further insights and advice; TM to direct Salahuddin's attention to this post.
* Publicity
** TM: LibrePlanet 2023 video, audio, and slides (including our talk) now available
*** The video description for our talk was wrong. TM wrote to conference organizers, who have now corrected the description.
*** TM has publicized the talk video on and social media. TM to add an announcement on the Board's web page.
** TM raised the possibility of new (Web)STUMP release in time for GNU 40th Anniversary event? (They want to have "40 release announcements, discussions or presentations in one day".) The meeting agreed to aim for a new release of (Web)STUMP no later than this event.
* Misc
** TM: Interesting blog post on the further deterioration of Google Groups (via Slashdot). The post discusses Google Groups in its capacity as a web forum/mailing list and doesn't mention its Usenet gateway, though it's interesting that even these Google-specific features are now being left to rot.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2023-04-28

Present: TM, RL
* Administration
** Bill Horne, moderator of and editor of The Telecom Digest, is seeking someone to replace him. He has posted a message to this effect on and has been corresponding with TM and JE regarding the search process. We will continue to render assistance and will help with the moderator transition if/when a replacement is found.
** Report in about empty e-mail in response to submission to . TM has forwarded to Salahuddin.
* Infrastructure
** Let's Encrypt certificate for Board's webmail is not automatically renewing. RL to investigate.
* (Web)STUMP
** RL has resumed investigating the feasibility of a Thunderbird add-on for newsgroup moderation.
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023
Minutes/2023-05-05

Present: TM, RL
* Administration/STUMP
** Update on report in about empty e-mail in response to submission to 
*** Salahuddin has forwarded information showing that STUMP is rejecting PGP-signed messages for which it does not have the public key to verify the signature. According to TM's tests with , this seems to be by design, though Salahuddin's instance should not be sending blank rejection messages. Salahuddin's logs also indicate a sed error, which may be the cause of the problem. TM advised him to disable PGP signature checks for the time being. RL to investigate further.
* Infrastructure
** RL reports that the mail.big-8.org webmail/admin pages were broken again because mailinabox updated itself, so he's waved the appropriate dead chicken over it and now it works again. 
Category:Meeting minutes for 2023