Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2010-06-24

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on June 24th, 2010
= Agenda =
* Discuss resolution of previous open items.
* Updates
** Oskar is still in Singapore.
** 1.40 Status Update
*** Milo is working on a different project.
** QA at LL going forward.
*** How can you help.
* Releases
* Any other business
** what you want to talk about goes here.
*** SVC-5889 Small vehicle (steam engine) has 3 degree y-axis rotation while moving.
*** SVC-5923 etc. Child prim touch...
** How, or will, the restructuring of LL effect the Server Software Group and beta grid.
= Resolved Items =
= Meeting Minutes =
= Transcript =
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for June 24th, 2010:
* [15:01] SHAMUS Carter: oskar lives
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: yeah... legos
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: not an icon
* [15:01] Monty Linden: hello all!
* [15:01] Gooden Uggla: hiya oskar, up early again?
* [15:01] Psi Merlin: Hi Oskar, Monty, Maestro
* [15:01] Gooden Uggla: hiya monty
* [15:02] Gooden Uggla: hiya maestro
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: hey guys can we keep this meeting in text chat please :_)
* [15:02] Lares Carter: hi Oskar, Monty, Maestro :)
* [15:02] SHAMUS Carter: **:•.•:** hallo hello hi holla **:•.•:** 
* [15:02] Maestro Linden: hi guys
* [15:02] sensory Hax: Hi master
* [15:02] [[User:xsensory Hax[it>en]|xsensory Hax[it>en]]]: Hi Masters
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: and yeah it is early early early here
* [15:02] Gooden Uggla: voice is just for the comments we don't want in text log :)
* [15:02] SHAMUS Carter: so 1.40
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: just past 6am
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: *sigh*
* [15:02] xstorm Radek: pokes Moy
* [15:03] Yuu Nakamichi: moy can you stop walkgin around please?
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: lemme grab that agenda link
* [15:03] Gooden Uggla: oskar you not back yet?
* [15:03] Oskars Drag: Kart 1.2: You aren't the owner
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: xstorm. can we keep the meeting to text chat please?
* [15:03] Monty Linden: moy walks, that's moy's thing
* [15:03] Ovaltine Constantine: I jump
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: thanks
* [15:03] SHAMUS Carter: yes text is better the voice
* [15:03] Yuu Nakamichi: yup - will try to concentrate on the offic hour nevertheless
* [15:04] xstorm Radek: damn now i can not say dirty things
* [15:04] SHAMUS Carter: speaking of witch whats with the voice morths seams like a pointless feature
* [15:04] Maestro Linden: for one doesn't even have sound on :)
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: ok. agenda here: 
* [15:04] Rex Cronon: hello everybody
* [15:04] Yuu Nakamichi: moy: thank you
* [15:04] Gooden Uggla: viewer 2.0x has vivox problems
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: so long time no see :-)
* [15:04] xstorm Radek: lol
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: you guys miss me last week ?
* [15:04] SHAMUS Carter: yes
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: nice to have a vacation for once
* [15:04] Sigma Avro: sure
* [15:04] xstorm Radek: yes
* [15:04] Rex Cronon: u r irreplaceable
* [15:05] Rex Cronon: :)
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: I bummed around Singapore
* [15:05] xstorm Radek: i did not crash as many sims last week
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: some fun places here and there
* [15:05] Gooden Uggla: the guys did a good job without ya, but it's not the same without the bearded one
* [15:05] Gooden Uggla: less hypnotic :)
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: heh. thanks I think :-)
* [15:05] xstorm Radek: lol
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: I'm hypnotic huh? :-D
* [15:05] Gooden Uggla: nope, the beard...
* [15:05] Gooden Uggla: ducks
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: so anyway, Ihave a headache now because there is some device in my condo chanting all day long
* [15:05] Jer Straaf: Aah!
* [15:05] Sigma Avro: better Oscar than Philipe, lol
* [15:06] Rex Cronon: am i seeing right? r u pixelated bomg:)
* [15:06] xstorm Radek: and Monty found out Alpha viewer is bad at sim crossings
* [15:06] Yuu Nakamichi: hehe
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: some 5sec islamic chant that won't stop
* [15:06] Rex Cronon: bomb*
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: DRIVES ME NUTS
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: ARGH
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: anyway
* [15:06] Liisa Runo: who keeps adding SVC-1253 to the agenda? Oskar has said it is not his area. And Andrew told us LL will not ruin the current behavior, would rather make completely new damage system to SL
* [15:06] Gooden Uggla: call to prayers, the sensor to turn it off is in your prayer rug
* [15:06] Issue Helper: [#SVC-1253
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-1253 
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: I wish I could turn it off
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: so ok. the agenda
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: 1.40
* [15:07] Kitto Flora: Oska - pull its plug
* [15:07] Rex Cronon: why u think headphones were invented for?
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: maestro, monty?
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: what's the status?
* [15:07] xstorm Radek: :-(
* [15:07] Maestro Linden: we're at what we hope will be final code for 1.40.2 (which is now deployed)
* [15:07] Gooden Uggla: where did milo get booted to?
* [15:07] Maestro Linden: Gooden: a different project
* [15:08] xstorm Radek: please Monty do not tell about the 4 sim crashes lol
* [15:08] Gooden Uggla: maestro the child prim state error is gone, thanks
* [15:08] Monty Linden: well... another fix is sitting on the side... but we're close
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: Milo is working on a billing project
* [15:08] xstorm Radek: he will never know
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: sadly
* [15:08] Kitto Flora: Maestro - what version # is that?
* [15:08] Monty Linden: SVC-5923
* [15:08] Issue Helper: [#SVC-5923
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-5923
* [15:08] Monty Linden: SVC-5930
* [15:08] Issue Helper: [#SVC-5930
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-5930
* [15:08] Monty Linden: are looking healthy
* [15:08] Maestro Linden: here's the group notice I sent earlier: We're updating the 1.40 regions on Aditi to 1.40.2.206322. This update mostly includes physics bugfixes, including: SVC-5922, SVC-5923, SVC-5925, SVC-5928, and SVC-5930.
* [15:08] Issue Helper: Issue does not exist... try again, Maestro Linden
* [15:08] Gooden Uggla: i just now checked the effected games, seems fixed
* [15:08] Gooden Uggla: crosses his fingers
* [15:08] Jer Straaf: YEEEEEHAAAWWWWW!!!!!!
* [15:08] Monty Linden: ah, missed that notice...
* [15:09] Skills Hak: hi!
* [15:09] Kitto Flora: TY - that one is too recent to have been checked yet
* [15:09] Monty Linden: busy looking at airships
* [15:09] Skills Hak: why is spider never here :<
* [15:09] Skills Hak: it makes me sad
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: he's not in QA
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: and it's dinner time in Boston
* [15:10] Skills Hak: isn't he like head of automated QA now?
* [15:10] Skills Hak: oh
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: he is in charge of the automation team
* [15:10] Zac Zeurra: is late
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: which isn't QA per se
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: but gets used by QA
* [15:10] Monty Linden: spider's in his spider hole
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: it's a fine line I know
* [15:10] Skills Hak: :o
* [15:10] Monty Linden: working
* [15:11] Monty Linden: building better bug traps
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: I appreciate the extra help on getting 1.40 nailed down
* [15:11] Jer Straaf: No problemo :-)
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: obviously with the restructurings here it makes things difficult
* [15:11] Skills has: flicked Phox's bell.
* [15:12] Monty Linden: Anyone spend any time on ground vehicles lately?
* [15:12] Monty Linden: other than xstorm's exploding yamahas
* [15:12] SHAMUS Carter: not reciently
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: monty, maestro. anything you need help with for getting 1.40.s verified?
* [15:12] Gooden Uggla: iin light of today's news, i'm sure you'll encounter more patience
* [15:12] Jer Straaf: my collision-guided trains seem fine...
* [15:12] Sigma Avro: some
* [15:12] Moy Loon: I've had a few issues with some things that I've made in 1.40
* [15:12] SHAMUS Carter: the sail boats seam ok
* [15:12] Moy Loon: Not colliding with ground correctly, and similar things
* [15:12] Maestro Linden: Hm, there are some things..
* [15:12] Maestro Linden: looks for jira issue #s
* [15:12] Monty Linden: scripts with touch/collision start/end
* [15:13] Monty Linden: including linkset behavior
* [15:13] Sigma Avro: omg!
* [15:13] Gooden Uggla: games no longer offer the player menu when the sound switch is touched
* [15:13] Jer Straaf: I set up my BOOMTOWN stuff, all seems to work fine, LOTS OF child prims sensing collisions, etc...
* [15:13] Monty Linden: if people have vehicles, look at SVC-5922
* [15:13] Issue Helper: [#SVC-5922
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-5922
* [15:13] Monty Linden: see it that affects you
* [15:14] Maestro Linden: the erratic behavior seen with SVC-5925 is now gone, but it would be helpful to verify that llTargetOmega works properly in other cases (I did some tests and it seems fine, but there are always edge cases..)
* [15:14] Issue Helper: [#SVC-5925
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-5925 
* [15:14] Monty Linden: Gooden: example?
* [15:14] Scenario Hell: II Target Rezzer shouts: WindFarm Hell targets available, OPEN FIRE NOW!!!
* [15:15] Gooden Uggla: which issue?
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: what's your stuff that's wrong moy? it's only stuff that you made in 1.40 that used to work in 1.40 but doesn't now?
* [15:15] Monty Linden: games no longer offer play menu....
* [15:15] Sigma Avro: seems logic that captain determines physics of vehcle
* [15:15] Kitto Flora: 6322: Bad touch pass to root still happens for Glow.
* [15:15] Maestro Linden: Gooden, in other words SVC-5923 is fixed for those games?
* [15:15] Issue Helper: [#SVC-5923
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-5923 
* [15:15] Sigma Avro: yep that is wierd
* [15:15] Scenario Hell: II Target Rezzer shouts: WindFarm Hell targets available, OPEN FIRE NOW!!!
* [15:16] Gooden Uggla: the 5 most popular games on the grid, zyngo included, would offer the player menu upon touching the sound switch - a small annoying bug, now apparently fixed
* [15:16] Gooden Uggla: yes
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: oh the viewer sound switch
* [15:16] Monty Linden: ah! fixed! not broken!
* [15:17] Monty Linden: is used to 'broken!'
* [15:17] Gooden Uggla: yes, i was using my hopeful and happy typing
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: heh
* [15:17] Kitto Flora: The seat touch on the steam engine seems fixed. Thats 1 small improvement :)
* [15:17] Gooden Uggla: no oskar, the game sound switch, turns game sounds on and off
* [15:18] SHAMUS Carter: a linked prim
* [15:18] Maestro Linden: Kitto, do you have a copy of the broken item you mentioned?
* [15:18] Issue Helper: [#VWR-6322
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/vwr-6322?
* [15:18] Monty Linden: s/the/that/
* [15:18] xstorm Radek: lol Oskar get on to 2.0.2 alpha and do a sim crossing in a 125 prim ship lol you will love the trip
* [15:18] Monty Linden: kitto, was the vwr-6322?
* [15:18] Gooden Uggla: yes, a scripted child prim, since it brings up another texture
* [15:18] Kitto Flora: maestro: Yes, thankyou.
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:18] xstorm Radek: >:-)
* [15:18] Ovaltine Constantine: Or 1 prim vehicle, also an adventure
* [15:18] Kitto Flora: Monty - no - version 1.40.,.... 6322
* [15:19] xstorm Radek: lol
* [15:19] SHAMUS Carter: center copy is broken?
* [15:19] xstorm Radek: i will have to test a 1 prim one
* [15:19] xstorm Radek: lol
* [15:19] SHAMUS Carter: since when monty
* [15:19] Monty Linden: that's an ancient bug....
* [15:19] Monty Linden: thought it was what kitto was referring to
* [15:20] Kitto Flora: version 6322 is the one thats just been deployed
* [15:20] Monty Linden: hmm, still an issue. Not fixed in 1.40.2 probably. :-)
* [15:20] Scenario Hell: II Target Rezzer shouts: Church Hell targets available, OPEN FIRE NOW!!!
* [15:20] Monty Linden: yep, 1.40.2.206322, got it
* [15:21] Sigma Avro: deployed as planned dtae ?
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: so if nothing major is found in 1.40.2 and it fixes the issues we'll pilot roll on the 19th
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: 29th
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: sorry
* [15:21] Jer Straaf: YAY
* [15:21] SHAMUS Carter: Hoooo!
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: so you've got a weekend to bang on this then
* [15:22] Monty Linden: and this time it stays
* [15:22] SHAMUS Carter: POKE! h7 with a stick and see what makes it crash
* [15:22] xstorm Radek: Oskar what will happen if some one finds some things big ?
* [15:22] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: xstorm. please find them before the pilot roll :-D
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: then file a jira
* [15:22] Maestro Linden: We should mention that the SVC-5922 fix is to *never* count seated avatars when deciding if an object can become physical
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: and im it to me, monty, maestro
* [15:22] Issue Helper: [#SVC-5922
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-5922 
* [15:22] Sigma Avro: well, if still in pilot roll, will be ok
* [15:23] xstorm Radek: ok will try
* [15:23] Maestro Linden: so any vehicle can be 32 prims now, regardless of how many passengers it holds
* [15:23] Jer Straaf: sweeeeeeeeet!
* [15:23] SHAMUS Carter: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!!!!!!
* [15:23] Kaluura Boa: Hoooo goood!
* [15:23] Jer Straaf: YEEEEEHAAAWWWWW!!!!!!
* [15:23] Sigma Avro: gasp, have to change all my scripts
* [15:23] xstorm Radek: 32 ?
* [15:23] SHAMUS Carter: only 32 :-)
* [15:23] Maestro Linden: I mean, any physical object
* [15:23] Skills Hak: oh awesome
* [15:24] Rex Cronon: what iwll llGetNumberOfPrims return, if avatars r not counted?
* [15:24] Monty Linden: wants some yeehaw sounds now
* [15:24] Jer Straaf: YEEEEEHAAAWWWWW!!!!!!
* [15:24] Jer Straaf: YEEEEEHAAAWWWWW!!!!!!
* [15:24] Jer Straaf: YEEEEEHAAAWWWWW!!!!!!
* [15:24] Rex Cronon: what will
* [15:24] Gooden Uggla: ~ YIPPIE-KAI-AY MOTHER FUCKER ~
* [15:24] Kitto Flora: Oh lordy - Busses with 100 Avs riding, crossing sim boundary? Each with 1000 attached scripts?
* [15:24] Sigma Avro: question of Rex hads wahth answer ?
* [15:24] Skills Hak: :o
* [15:24] Oskars Drag: Kart 1.2: 2.162964
* [15:24] Gooden Uggla: oops, wrong Y
* [15:24] Sigma Avro: *has
* [15:24] Moy Loon: Woah, PG region now!
* [15:24] Gooden Uggla: my bad
* [15:24] Maestro Linden: Rex: I'm just talking about the ability to enable physics on objects, so llGetNumberOfPrims() should give the same result
* [15:25] Rex Cronon: ok
* [15:25] Maestro Linden: (might be worth checking, though)
* [15:25] Jer Straaf: don't let it mess up you neat little world, Kitto, it'll be great!!!
* [15:25] Kitto Flora: Haha - it will mess up your region as it tries to enter :)
* [15:25] Jer Straaf: No problemo :-)
* [15:25] Kitto Flora: It will never mess up my region
* [15:25] SHAMUS Carter: any word on the post h7 greater then 32 prim vechiles?
* [15:25] Ima Mechanique: apologies for my tardiness, only got home 10 minute sago
* [15:25] Sigma Avro: well, 5 passengers = 2 to 2.5 msec, lol, I wander what more will give !
* [15:25] xstorm Radek: Maestro i need to show you my 100 prim ship that moves and is physic
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: nothing but what falcon has said before SHAMUS
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: hi ima
* [15:26] Moy Loon: Will 220's still function Oskar? ;)
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: nope
* [15:26] Moy Loon: Aww =p
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: done been killed off
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: I know
* [15:26] xstorm Radek: OMG!! no ?
* [15:26] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [15:26] SHAMUS Carter: 220's?
* [15:26] Phox ModularSystems: Wow really?
* [15:26] xstorm Radek: thats evil
* [15:26] Rex Cronon: in ha4 if more than one ave sits o na vehicle, the vehicle tends t lean to a side
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: 220's were a hack for 220 prim physical objects
* [15:27] Phox ModularSystems: Jay just sold those to a bunch of people haha.
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: haha
* [15:27] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [15:27] Skills Hak: jay is dumb
* [15:27] Moy Loon: 220 is an old griefed object that was physical, with 220 prims in the linkset
* [15:27] xstorm Radek: hack SL is a hack
* [15:27] xstorm Radek: lol
* [15:27] Phox ModularSystems: The 64 and the 220 hmm
* [15:27] Skills Hak: did he really? duh
* [15:27] Sigma Avro: how to to a 220 physics engine ?
* [15:28] Sigma Avro: *do
* [15:28] SHAMUS Carter: oh my
* [15:28] Root test: prim: Root got Touch event.
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: J had 'tricks' back in the day Sigma
* [15:28] Child test: prim: Child got Touch event.
* [15:28] Phox ModularSystems: Heh yeah
* [15:28] Phox ModularSystems: Instantly set non-physical
* [15:28] Moy Loon: Aww
* [15:28] Sigma Avro: ok, wont wear prims
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: so while we're on 1.40 talk
* [15:29] Child test: prim: Child got Touch event.
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: and talking about pilot regions
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: are there any regions you guys think should be on the pilot list?
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: 
* [15:30] SHAMUS Carter: pilot isa probly big enught
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: just wants to make sure :-)
* [15:30] Gooden Uggla: way to scare the crap outta us
* [15:30] Gooden Uggla: :)(
* [15:30] Phox ModularSystems: I can't think of any right now.
* [15:31] Gooden Uggla: lemme find one with a buncha bunnies...
* [15:31] Hypatia Callisto: Port Caledon is full of physical stuff, I am sure the folks there would appreciate it
* [15:31] Child test: prim: Child got Touch event.
* [15:31] SHAMUS Carter: bunny killer?
* [15:32] Child test: prim: Child got Touch event.
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: ok
* [15:32] Liisa Runo: whispers: Add Dunnideer to the pilot
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: so the next thing I had hoped to talk about was QA at LL
* [15:32] Gooden Uggla: actually, one of my tenants has a bunny farm, but i want guaranteed rollbacks if it's a pilot
* [15:32] Sigma Avro: and 3044 ??
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: that list is the for sure pilot list + 20% of the grid at random
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: support has been pretty good about rollbacks
* [15:33] Sigma Avro: ops, more the "rezinf mono scripts..."
* [15:33] Rex Cronon: how is qa done at the lab?
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: well...
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: it's changed a lot in the last few weeks
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: with the restructuring
* [15:34] Jer Straaf: i bet
* [15:34] SHAMUS Carter: ohhh?
* [15:34] Sigma Avro: meaning worst or better ?
* [15:34] Hypatia Callisto: grin
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: meaning different
* [15:34] Sigma Avro: lol
* [15:34] SHAMUS Carter: inother words with bots?
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: you've all seen and heard the rumors/news and whatnot
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: QA like any other department has had restructurings
* [15:35] Sigma Avro: yes, people talks a lot about in it in group, be sure Oskar
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: oh I'm sure
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: I see the talk
* [15:35] Rex Cronon: the news about philip linden getting back to being theceo?
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: it's entertaining
* [15:35] Ima Mechanique: nope, don'y bother with rumours
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: well that's not official news Rex
* [15:35] Latif Khalifa: it is official
* [15:36] Jer Straaf: yes
* [15:36] Rex Cronon: is in the main blog oskar
* [15:36] SHAMUS Carter: is babage still on the team?
* [15:36] Sigma Avro: it is
* [15:36] Gooden Uggla: oskar he blogged it today, M is out
* [15:36] Liisa Runo: not official? the blog appeared to be very official
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: oh well then I didn't see it
* [15:36] xstorm Radek: rumer 90000
* [15:36] Lares Carter: ;)
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: that's what I get for sleeping the past 6 hours
* [15:36] Maestro Linden: Yeah, it's offocial and public
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: it wasn't official when I went to bed
* [15:36] Sigma Avro: and right now there is a monkey parade in his honour
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: but doesn't affect QA at LL
* [15:36] Latif Khalifa: who needs TMZ and E! when we have Linden Lab xD
* [15:36] Liisa Runo: there is giant happy party in main grid going on at the moment
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: what does is how QA has been restructured
* [15:36] Sigma Avro: *soory meant impromptu parade
* [15:37] SHAMUS Carter: so is m steping down?
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: we're not going to have as many internal resources as we have had in the past
* [15:37] Gooden Uggla: lovely
* [15:37] xstorm Radek: so what was that about Philip linden is running LL again ?
* [15:37] Kitto Flora: Yay Unca Philip!
* [15:37] Hypatia Callisto: this doesnt mean better :P
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: and will need to rely more heavily on external qa
* [15:37] Sigma Avro: qa = jira and so on ? or more product qa ?
* [15:37] Gooden Uggla: the only thing we really want fixed is the set of mono bugs
* [15:37] Rex Cronon: read teh ink, xstorm
* [15:37] Rex Cronon: the link*
* [15:37] Kitto Flora: So - who did the Rolling Stone interview?
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: external qa being outsourced qa
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: and you guys
* [15:38] Gooden Uggla: may the gods help us all
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: we're also working hard to get automation in place
* [15:38] SHAMUS Carter: eep so the users are goign tpo be the ga?
* [15:38] Jer Straaf: we're here for ya...
* [15:38] SHAMUS Carter: eeps.
* [15:38] Kitto Flora: Do we need to learn Punjabi or Urdu?
* [15:38] xstorm Radek: oh please Oskar do not make me talk to them Ontyne people
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: I'm looking to have more test plans externally facing
* [15:38] Gooden Uggla: good idea
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: and hopefully a way of tracking test plan passing status
* [15:39] Gooden Uggla: i volunteer to be the idiot in "idiotproofing"
* [15:39] xstorm Radek: mind if i test 125 prim ship crossings lol
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: what I'm simply saying is that we'll need your help and I'm hoping to make it easier for people to get involved
* [15:40] Sigma Avro: how to do this Oskar ?
* [15:40] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, you might want to consider "nightly build" channel here with couple of sims with latest and the breakiest sim code for the adventureous
* [15:40] SHAMUS Carter: yes aditi needs more regular av updates
* [15:40] SHAMUS Carter: so any one can login
* [15:40] xstorm Radek: i know one great way to get testing better and jira reports better Oskar
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: I'll consider it Latif, but we don't really have that now
* [15:40] Sigma Avro: tue shamus, and inventory transfer also
* [15:40] Gooden Uggla: shamus that's a huge job to import all avs
* [15:40] sensory Hax: nods
* [15:40] [[User:xsensory Hax[it>en]|xsensory Hax[it>en]]]: / Me Nods
* [15:40] Latif Khalifa: I know you don't, but it might be helpful
* [15:41] Rex Cronon: u might also need a page that keeps track o who has done what and what were the results
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: right Rex
* [15:41] Latif Khalifa: (especially if it was fully automatic)
* [15:41] Simon Linden: This grid can't support all the data from the main grid,so it has to be a sub-set
* [15:41] Gooden Uggla: how about a short list that gets inventory updates weekly?
* [15:41] Simon Linden: But making that easier would help
* [15:41] Techwolf Lupindo: What happen to all the hardware that was used for the grid before the move to the TX datacenter?
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: I've had some ideas about how to get updated accounts on here quicker, but none have been implemented yet
* [15:42] Gooden Uggla: tech they retired the hampsters
* [15:42] Sigma Avro: is qa using as jiara atalassa or I forgot the exact name of the tool ??
* [15:42] Rocky Pickles: blue light special.. and ATT bought it for the 4GS push :) just kidding
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: old class 4's I think TL
* [15:42] SHAMUS Carter: speakign of calsses any oworn on class 7 and greater
* [15:42] xstorm Radek: Oskar we need better testing tools and a better bug report system that not only a person can record a short video but have a data log that dumps to a jira report page
* [15:42] Kitto Flora: Are there any old Class 4's still on the main grid?
* [15:42] Gooden Uggla: yes kitto, the linden homes franken-machines
* [15:42] xstorm Radek: call me crazy
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: no Kitto I don't think so
* [15:43] Sigma Avro: How is jira related to qa ?
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: jira is used for issue tracking
* [15:43] Sigma Avro: and qa will be external source ?
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: the bulk of it
* [15:43] SHAMUS Carter: some sims sure same like clas 4
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: we're still working on it
* [15:44] Sigma Avro: omg ! hope not from some mba, but rather some scripters !
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: the good thing is that it will make our test plans a lot more robust
* [15:44] Monty Linden: that's because people keep putting squirrels in the trees
* [15:44] Sigma Avro: true Monty
* [15:44] SHAMUS Carter: squarls love 110
* [15:45] Liisa Runo: squirrels that keep rezzing physical temp acorns to roll on the ground
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: nice
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: is the stuff in Any Other Business in the agenda new?
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: I've mostly answered "How, or will, the restructuring of LL effect the Server Software Group and beta grid."
* [15:46] Monty Linden: I've been too busy to add to it....
* [15:46] SHAMUS Carter: tilting vechiles?
* [15:46] Kitto Flora: Ye
* [15:46] Kitto Flora: Vehicle tilt seems not to have got any attention
* [15:46] Kitto Flora: s
* [15:46] Motor Loon: its more of a cosmetic issues aint it
* [15:47] Sigma Avro: interesting, makes more real p^hsyics
* [15:47] xstorm Radek: Oskar will they get rid of crazy testers like me ?
* [15:47] Gooden Uggla: yes, will someone please send oskar a TP back to seattle?
* [15:47] SHAMUS Carter: crazy testers find crazy bugs
* [15:47] xstorm Radek: :-)
* [15:47] SHAMUS Carter: my ls is no tran
* [15:47] SHAMUS Carter: lm
* [15:47] SHAMUS Carter: hehe
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: no one is getting rid of crazy testers
* [15:47] Gooden Uggla: i thought the yaw problem was imported
* [15:48] Sigma Avro: and svc-3895 is in progress ?
* [15:48] Issue Helper: [#SVC-3895
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-3895 
* [15:48] xstorm Radek: thats good :-)
* [15:48] Skills Hak: that's going to be part of the C# beta
* [15:48] SHAMUS Carter: 3895 is a mono issue
* [15:48] Sigma Avro: great, when c# ?
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: not sure yet
* [15:48] SHAMUS Carter: yes when will we get c#
* [15:49] Latif Khalifa: heh every time i come here i get "An internal error prevented us from properly updating your viewer. The L$ balance or parcel holdings displayed in your viewer may not reflect your actual balance on the servers." on the main grid, and my account balance goes to -1. I think Oskar is stealing my fortune xD
* [15:49] Gooden Uggla: as is svc-4196
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: from a core development pov we're slimming down
* [15:49] Issue Helper: [#SVC-4196
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-4196
* [15:49] Skills Hak: if C# won't happen then the fix will be backported
* [15:49] Ima Mechanique: 1.402? ;-)
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: every week in the lab seems like a new future path
* [15:49] Simon Linden: The mono rez delay needs an update to the mono library, which is part of that c# beta. We definitely want to pull that in if we can get the new mono library
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: we'll see what ideas philip has
* [15:49] Sigma Avro: 4196 and 3895 are differernt issues ?
* [15:50] Skills Hak: it's been like a roller coaster lately 
* [15:50] SHAMUS Carter: there related
* [15:50] KFengine4-1 14.4.3: WelshT whispers: Set to channel 1
* [15:50] KFengine4-1 14.4.3: whispers: Reading card, please WAIT....
* [15:50] xstorm Radek: im glad to see philip back make me feel safe again
* [15:50] KFengine4-1 14.4.3: whispers: No nearby track!
* [15:50] KFengine4-1 14.4.3: whispers: Home set
* [15:50] KFengine4-1 14.4.3: whispers: No Track
* [15:50] KFengine4-1 14.4.3: : No Track found, notifying owner.
* [15:50] Gooden Uggla: yes sigma, one its rez and the other is TP initialize
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: so yeah, things are pretty interesting at the lab
* [15:50] Sigma Avro: well, same origins seems to me. Was asking for this
* [15:50] Latif Khalifa: the faith of the brighton office is not 100% sealed, go lobby for it to be saved. getting rid of people who maintain the script engine is reckless
* [15:50] Ovaltine Constantine: 4196 = Sims freeze while objects rez. 3895 = Mono scripts take a long time to rez.
* [15:50] xstorm Radek: unless i start finding philip prims around again that i have to Abuse Report :-)
* [15:50] Gooden Uggla: i'd be rather surprised if sim freezes get completely ignored
* [15:51] SHAMUS Carter: •*•.. HahahaA •*•.. 
* [15:51] Latif Khalifa: Gooden, they did fire people who could fix the mono part of it ;)
* [15:51] Monty Linden: should have stolen Philip's UUID...
* [15:51] Latif Khalifa: never be surprised by the wisdom of linden management ;)
* [15:51] Sigma Avro: ah, yes different facets, true Ovaltime
* [15:51] xstorm Radek: sim freez will not get ignored lol
* [15:51] Skills Hak: no they couldn't
* [15:51] Skills Hak: babbage had to wait for the mono upgrade anyway
* [15:51] Simon Linden: They're not being ignored at all, and mono is not the only one
* [15:51] Moy Loon: It's been being worked on for like, two years now!, I doubt they're ignoring it!
* [15:51] Gooden Uggla: ummm not to speak ill, but the attempted fix that was a "sure thing" did not work
* [15:51] xstorm Radek: i have Philip UUID
* [15:51] Motor Loon: it was certainly the highlight of the day that news
* [15:51] Ima Mechanique: Latif,lobby for Brighton where?
* [15:51] Motor Loon: still cant stop smiling
* [15:52] Skills Hak: xstorm is a hacker
* [15:52] xstorm Radek: nope
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: well... most of them
* [15:52] SHAMUS Carter: lol anyone can see other poples uuids
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: I like hackers
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: bah. stupid chat lag
* [15:52] SHAMUS Carter: with scripts
* [15:52] Latif Khalifa: Ima, hopefully as close to the top of LL as possible. I'm just pestering all Lindens to convey our feelings about closure of the UK office being reckless
* [15:52] Gooden Uggla: as i look at simon, i can think of a number of people that can port a new mono in
* [15:52] xstorm Radek: philip clicked a fish a long time back
* [15:52] xstorm Radek: lol
* [15:53] Gooden Uggla: everyone likes hackers, till they get hacked
* [15:53] Thomas Shikami: Greetings
* [15:53] Monty Linden: someone should fix chat
* [15:53] SHAMUS Carter: wonder what will be dune about the latency in group chata
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: and now Thomas is here
* [15:53] Rex Cronon: hi
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: hi Thomas
* [15:53] SHAMUS Carter: **:•.•:** hallo hello hi holla **:•.•:** 
* [15:53] Thomas Shikami: it depends on the hat they wear
* [15:53] Motor Loon: It's all Thomas's fault?
* [15:53] Sigma Avro: yes chat lag is abig issue in groups chats
* [15:53] xstorm Radek: any way a was a programer back in the days of paper tape in 1975 i built some of the crap we have to day lol
* [15:54] Gooden Uggla: immediately blames xstorm for everything
* [15:54] Sigma Avro: dont' know isf chat lag can be improved
* [15:54] Motor Loon: gets the waterballoons ready
* [15:54] Skills Hak: thomas is a pink hat hacker
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: heh
* [15:54] Wildcatt Tigerpaw: lol Gooden beat me to the comment
* [15:54] SHAMUS Carter: no no green
* [15:54] Liisa Runo: [16/6/2010 -- 03:17
* [15:54] Gooden Uggla: how about group chat then? that's something that's been a resi priority for years
* [15:54] Rex Cronon: xstorm. r u the reason my computr gave me blue screens of dath:)
* [15:55] Skills Hak: that was before babbage left
* [15:55] Thomas Shikami: yep, happens from washing the white hat with red underwear
* [15:55] Liisa Runo: babbage is still here
* [15:55] Skills Hak: oh wait
* [15:55] SHAMUS Carter: *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*Yayyyyyyy!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
* [15:55] SHAMUS Carter: he was saved
* [15:55] Hypatia Callisto: thank goodness
* [15:55] Sigma Avro: yes Gooden, it is a big issue, true
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: the UK office is in a holding pattern
* [15:55] Skills Hak: well he wasnt sure what will happen to C# and asked for good examples and demos to advertise it internally
* [15:55] Gooden Uggla: the news of babbage's demise is premature
* [15:56] Jer Straaf: we done with 1.4 server discussions?
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: mostly
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: wassup jer?
* [15:56] Gooden Uggla: what skills said, and he got a number of good ideas
* [15:56] Jer Straaf: thanks, hang in there and good luck!
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: cool
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: thanks jer
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: needs to go back to bed...
* [15:56] Motor Loon: was SVC-5930 the reason why the pilot roll was withdrawn?
* [15:56] Issue Helper: [#SVC-5930
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-5930 
* [15:56] SHAMUS Carter: probly
* [15:57] SLTris 2D: 1.6: Reading notecard LangFR
* [15:57] SLTris 2D: 1.6: Reading notecard LangFR
* [15:57] Simon Linden: there were more than 1 reason for the rollback
* [15:57] SLTris 2D: 1.6: Reading notecard LangFR
* [15:57] Monty Linden: there were many factors. *sigh*
* [15:57] Motor Loon: and sorry if It was annonced (since I was quite late today) but is there a date for a new pilot rollout yet?
* [15:57] Monty Linden: the time post-pilot has been *very* productive, however
* [15:57] SHAMUS Carter: speaking of rolls i ran into a 1.40 sim on angi yesterday
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: 29th motor
* [15:58] Motor Loon: thanks
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: a few stragglers SHAMUS
* [15:58] Motor Loon: I was SO excited to have H7 on my new racetrack... even if it was only for a few days
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: it'll be back
* [15:58] Motor Loon: I know
* [15:58] Motor Loon: Just not a patient man ;-)
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: anyone have anything else?
* [15:59] Entering god: mode, level 200
* [15:59] Kitto Flora: Motor: Did you have to re-pave the racetrrack?
* [15:59] Motor Loon: I'm pretty good at drinking beer though
* [15:59] SHAMUS Carter: well latter al;
* [15:59] Monty Linden: have you tested it on aditi today?
* [15:59] Sigma Avro: chat lag Oskar
* [15:59] Sigma Avro: group chat lag
* [15:59] Motor Loon: I dug 8 feet groves all around yes
* [15:59] xstorm Radek: 3:59 test
* [15:59] xstorm Radek: no lag
* [16:00] Monty Linden: june 24th test
* [16:00] Sigma Avro: how to improve, if any possibility ?
* [16:00] Monty Linden: ^^^^ that's a lag test
* [16:00] Motor Loon: the power of H7 is amazing... I just cant get my damn arms down
* [16:00] Yuu Nakamichi: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5890
* [16:00] Issue Helper: [#SVC-5890
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-5890
* [16:00] Yuu Nakamichi: wondering about this - perhaps Simon can say something about it?
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: ok guys that's the hour :-)
* [16:00] xstorm Radek: lol
* [16:00] Sigma Avro: lol
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: needs to go back to sleep
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: *yawn*
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: thanks for coming everyone! :-)
* [16:00] Moundsa Mayo: Thanks Oskar, Simon, Maestro, 'n Monty!
* [16:00] Rex Cronon: tc oskar
* [16:00] Phox ModularSystems: That doesn't sound like a bug @ 5890
* [16:00] Hypatia Callisto: take care
* [16:00] Motor Loon: oh, on a sidenote - you guys know if the estate feature to return a persons object estatewide is fixed in 1.40 ?
* [16:00] xstorm Radek: hey some one wake up Simon
* [16:00] Simon Linden: Thanks everyone for all your help
* [16:01] xstorm Radek: lol
* [16:01] Yuu Nakamichi: Phox - it is.
* [16:01] Simon Linden: I'm doing 2 meetings at once :)
* [16:01] Gooden Uggla: night oskar
* [16:01] Maestro Linden: thanks guys
* [16:01] Sigma Avro: well, 1 hour and not a minute more! lol, new qa policy
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: l8r)
* [16:01] Motor Loon: oh and could someone pls send me chatlogs from today, as again - I was "a little" late to show up
* [16:01] Phox ModularSystems: I don't think so, it's coded that way specifically in the viewer
* [16:01] xstorm Radek: no no thank you for putting up with us lol
* [16:01] Motor Loon: be much appriciated
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: always been my policy Sigma
* [16:01] Ima Mechanique: night Oskar, I think I will go beddy-bye too
* [16:01] Yuu Nakamichi: those roles should not give you the ability to change autoreturn
* [16:01] Maestro Linden: btw, I just outlined the expected touch/collision passing logic in SVC-5923
* [16:01] Sigma Avro: ok, good
* [16:01] Issue Helper: [#SVC-5923
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-5923
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: shorter meetings and less of them