Bug triage/2007-09-10/Transcript

Transcript of Bridie Linden's office hours:
[15:04]	Aric Linden: 	hello
[15:04]	Aric Linden: 	nice to see everyone
[15:04]	Squirrel Wood: 	Hellu ^^
[15:04]	Bridie Linden: 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda
[15:04]	Kandi Carnell: 	Greetings to one and all
[15:05]	Aric Linden: 	Big list, let's start, shall we?
[15:05]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	clock show
[15:05]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	clcok unmerge
[15:05]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	clock unmerge
[15:06]	Aric Linden: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-108
[15:06]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	clock hide
[15:06]	Aric Linden: 	llUnsit command will work for anyone on any parcel if the avatar being unsat is sitting on the LAND (does not do this if they are on a Prim)
[15:06]	Soft Linden: 	Hee - yeah, that'd be a problem. Would let griefers make an unsitter they use before pushing.
[15:07]	Aric Linden: 	yep
[15:07]	Soft Linden: 	Would import that.
[15:07]	Aric Linden: 	This seems worth importing to me as well
[15:07]	Bridie Linden: 	I'll import it then!
[15:07]	Squirrel Wood: 	definitely begs to be fixed :)
[15:07]	Angel Fluffy: 	:)
[15:07]	Aric Linden: 	Thanks Bridie Linden
[15:08]	Aric Linden: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-109
[15:08]	Aric Linden: 	There is no way to safely serialize a list, a new function is needed.
[15:08]	Daedalus Young: 	then it's a Feature Request :P
[15:09]	Soft Linden: 	Yes, it's not a bug.
[15:09]	Ciaran Laval: 	It's linked to another jira
[15:09]	Ciaran Laval: 	Well he references one but it's not a bug
[15:09]	Bridie Linden: 	Move to a feature request and import?
[15:09]	Soft Linden: 	The list to comma separated string funciton it mentions is meant to make things human-readable, not machine-readable.
[15:10]	Soft Linden: 	Would say it's a good idea, but I'd wait on more votes before taking it in.
[15:10]	Rob Linden: 	what soft said
[15:10]	Aric Linden: 	ok
[15:10]	Aric Linden: 	let's move along then
[15:10]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:10]	Aric Linden: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-433
[15:11]	Squirrel Wood: 	outdated?
[15:11]	Aric Linden: 	Vivox-gw.exe crashes in Voice Beta after 5-10 minutes; voice chat does not work at all
[15:11]	Soft Linden: 	Ya, would close it unless someone says they're seeing it today.
[15:11]	Ciaran Laval: 	It's surely fixed by now
[15:11]	Bridie Linden: 	I'll resolve as fixed.
[15:11]	Aric Linden: 	No. I think it should be closed
[15:11]	Aric Linden: 	we
[15:12]	Aric Linden: 	we're not seeing this
[15:12]	Rob Linden: 	Aric: we should always resolve, not close
[15:12]	Aric Linden: 	sorry
[15:12]	Aric Linden: 	we should resolve
[15:12]	Soft Linden: 	That's only got relatively recent activity because someone added a comment about an unrelated issue.
[15:12]	Rob Linden is feeling pedantic 	Rob Linden is feeling pedantic
[15:12]	Aric Linden: 	/grins at rob
[15:12]	Aric Linden: 	Apparently so
[15:12]	Sculpt TorusKnot Ollj: Hello, Avatar! 	Sculpt TorusKnot Ollj: Hello, Avatar!
[15:13]	Aric Linden: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-437
[15:13]	Aric Linden: 	um, i don't quite follow this one
[15:14]	Aric Linden: 	Object description is modified just by opening the object editor dialog
[15:14]	Squirrel Wood: 	hmm.. I'd say this is by design as object descriptions are not intended as data storage ?
[15:14]	Ciaran Laval: 	Torely's closed it again by the look of it
[15:14]	Soft Linden: 	So the problem on this one is that llSetObjectDesc lets you set a longer string thant he dialog allows. Really the problem is the dialog and the function should have the same string length limitation.
[15:14]	Ciaran Laval: 	ignore me
[15:14]	Daedalus Young: 	yes, agreed, Soft
[15:14]	Aric Linden: 	sorry. i didn't read it thoroughly
[15:14]	Saijanai Kuhn an awful lot of people rely on this feature though 	Saijanai Kuhn an awful lot of people rely on this feature though
[15:15]	Rob Linden: 	lslwiki.org is not our wiki
[15:15]	Aric Linden: 	I agree with you Soft
[15:15]	Soft Linden: 	Ya. Ideally the dialog would allow more characters to match, rather than shortening what's allowed in LSL.
[15:16]	Aric Linden: 	Rob, llSetObjectDesc is our function, yes?
[15:16]	Bridie Linden: 	Is this a Major issue?
[15:16]	Squirrel Wood: 	if everyone used this method to store data wouldn't this create a huge overhead when rezzing prims ?
[15:16]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	if they used it for xkilobytes of storage, yes
[15:16]	Soft Linden: 	Not major, naw.
[15:16]	Rob Linden: 	Aric, yeah, I was just looking at the comments which seem to be confused on the subject
[15:17]	Aric Linden: 	It appears to me that this is worth an internal dialog, just to get our story straight
[15:17]	Squirrel Wood: 	I mean, if you have 100 prims each with 8k comment data that's like... 800k
[15:17]	Rob Linden: 	Aric: sounds reasonable.
[15:17]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	all strings should handle 256 UTF-8 chars, at least. That's 1KB
[15:17]	Bridie Linden: 	I'll import and change priority to Normal...
[15:17]	Aric Linden: 	Squirrel, i think you may want to add that comment as a useful observation to the dialog
[15:17]	Aric Linden: 	Thanks bridie
[15:17]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	should be enough for an rational use
[15:17]	Aric Linden: 	Squirrel, I think you raise good points
[15:18]	Aric Linden: 	moving along https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-442
[15:18]	Aric Linden: 	No warning when inviting a new owner
[15:18]	Daedalus Young: 	basically a Feature Request for confirmation dialog, yes?
[15:19]	Aric Linden: 	hmmm
[15:19]	Ciaran Laval: 	Yes, you get one if you give a person assign role rights
[15:19]	Aric Linden: 	thin line here
[15:19]	Soft Linden: 	Ya, that's bad. You could lose all your group land or add someone to the group till if you pick the wrong role.
[15:19]	Aric Linden: 	I think it might be a bug
[15:19]	Aric Linden: 	it's a case that was overlooked in the permissions for groups, i think
[15:19]	Bridie Linden: 	hmmm
[15:19]	Aric Linden: 	as opposed to new functionality being requested. that's just my .02 tho
[15:20]	Aric Linden: 	either way, i think it needs to be imported myself
[15:20]	Soft Linden: 	Yeah, would agree for sure!
[15:20]	Daedalus Young: 	hm yes
[15:20]	Aric Linden: 	ok bridie let's take it as a bug
[15:20]	Bridie Linden imports! 	Bridie Linden imports!
[15:20]	Soft Linden: 	Hey, blue :)
[15:21]	Aric Linden: 	nothing better than passing along perms probs
[15:21]	Aric Linden: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-443
[15:21]	Squirrel Wood: 	15k prims times 8k comment... 114 mbyte of comment...
[15:21]	Aric Linden: 	Share with group toggle grays out when checked on deeded objects
[15:22]	Ciaran Laval: 	Anyone tried this? I bought the object back earlier because of this but someone there says unclicking share with group does work
[15:23]	Soft Linden: 	A Linden who knows the permission system should probably look at this; not even sure if objects are supposed to be group-shared and group-owned simultaneously.
[15:23]	Aric Linden: 	that's exactly what I was thinking, Soft
[15:24]	Soft Linden: 	Might be a won't fix or very low priority, but does look like a bug.
[15:24]	Aric Linden: 	I can't tell if this is a feature or a bug
[15:24]	Ciaran Laval: 	Don't you have to share it to deed it?
[15:24]	Aric Linden: 	assign it to me for repro, please bridie
[15:24]	Aric Linden: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-118
[15:25]	Aric Linden: 	Invitations to existing group members get sent, but have no effect
[15:25]	Aric Linden: 	seems as though permissions got a work out last week
[15:25]	Bridie Linden: 	Done, Aric.
[15:25]	Aric Linden: 	Thanks!
[15:26]	Aric Linden: 	118 seems like a bug to me
[15:26]	Ciaran Laval: 	You don't send a new invitation as far as I'm aware, I think it's the issue where group changes don't update right away
[15:26]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:26]	Aric Linden: 	I wonder if the invitee has to respond to the invitation for the change to take place
[15:26]	Aric Linden: 	anyone know?
[15:26]	Soft Linden: 	This one actually has some effect; you can add someone to another role this way. But it's pointless to have the dialog, it should just automatically make the appropriate role additions. Not much reason to decline a new role for a group you're already in.
[15:27]	Daedalus Young: 	but then I think the invitee never gets the invite, because they're already member
[15:27]	Sculpt TorusKnot Ollj: Hello, Avatar! 	Sculpt TorusKnot Ollj: Hello, Avatar!
[15:27]	Ciaran Laval: 	I've never sent an invite again when I've changed a person's role.
[15:27]	Squirrel Wood: 	the invitee should at least get some form of confirmation too.. like "You have been assigned to a different role (role here, another role here)"
[15:28]	Aric Linden: 	hmm
[15:28]	Aric Linden: 	this seems like a job for RX
[15:28]	Soft Linden: 	If it only adds roles, not removes, is a notification still needed?
[15:28]	Aric Linden: 	shrugs
[15:28]	Daedalus Young: 	how else would you know you've been promoted?
[15:28]	Soft Linden: 	Ya, RX sounds like a good idea.
[15:28]	Squirrel Wood: 	the lucky player may not know about it ?
[15:28]	Ciaran Laval: 	The group owner should tell you
[15:28]	Sculpt TorusKnot Ollj: Hello, Avatar! 	Sculpt TorusKnot Ollj: Hello, Avatar!
[15:28]	Aric Linden: 	Let's make RX sort it all out
[15:28]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	blob private
[15:28]	Ciaran Laval: 	However as a feature request it might be a good thing for group security
[15:28]	Daedalus Young: 	yes, but some people just don't communicate enough like that
[15:29]	Bridie Linden: 	But it's a bug if your role didn't actually change, right?
[15:29]	Aric Linden: 	Well, it is if the intent is to allow for roles to update via that manner
[15:29]	Bridie Linden: 	Ah...
[15:29]	Aric Linden: 	I can't tell if that's the intent or if the implied functionality is a UI by-product of some sort
[15:29]	Soft Linden: 	I'll add the last couple dozen lines to a comment.
[15:29]	Daedalus Young: 	otherwise you shouldn't be able to re-invitye anyway
[15:29]	Bridie Linden: 	I'll import.
[15:30]	Ciaran Laval: 	Would it be a bug not to receive an invite for a group you're already in or would thta be working as intended?
[15:30]	Aric Linden runs shrieking from permissions flow 	Aric Linden runs shrieking from permissions flow
[15:30]	Squirrel Wood: 	Mayhaps the user does not want to be added to new groups?
[15:30]	Daedalus Young: 	Ciaran, again I'd say, depends if it's meant to work like this
[15:31]	Squirrel Wood: 	shouldn't they have an option to deny that in such a case?
[15:31]	Aric Linden: 	I think you're right Daedalus and Ciaran, but I can't tell if that's intended or implied
[15:31]	Ciaran Laval: 	That's what I'm trying to ask Daedalus ;)
[15:31]	Aric Linden: 	Let's let the RX team figure it out
[15:31]	Bridie Linden will do 	Bridie Linden will do
[15:31]	Aric Linden: 	and move on to what appears to be an approximate reprise of the same issue https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-119
[15:31]	Daedalus Young: 	either no more re-invite, or role change allowed with everything needed for it, simply said, imo
[15:31]	Ciaran Laval: 	Ah now this one is a bit of a pain
[15:32]	Squirrel Wood: 	heh. this one's in 118 to. (related bugs)
[15:32]	Aric Linden: 	Why so, Ciaran?
[15:32]	Ciaran Laval: 	I've ended up with two of the same role names because I thought something hadn't worked due to this
[15:32]	Aric Linden: 	never mind
[15:32]	Aric Linden: 	i get it
[15:32]	Aric Linden: 	This would appear to me to be a bug
[15:32]	Soft Linden: 	So the problem is that the change isn't passed along immediately, only when changing roles or relogging?
[15:32]	Ciaran Laval: 	It's a general group issue thing, relogging worked for me last time I had it, it's intermittent
[15:33]	Aric Linden: 	I suspect it's an update problem as opposed to a bug
[15:33]	Ciaran Laval: 	It's not just changing roles, it's creating new role titles too, seems linked to me
[15:33]	Aric Linden: 	Do new titles update when logging back?
[15:33]	Ciaran Laval: 	It did last time for me Aric.
[15:33]	Aric Linden: 	hmm. Bridie, pass this one over to me and let's have QA massage it some
[15:34]	Bridie Linden: 	Good thinking.
[15:34]	Aric Linden: 	Ciaran, i suspected as much. I think it's update lag, not a bug
[15:34]	Aric Linden: 	per se
[15:34]	Soft Linden: 	It might be as simple as refreshing the group info after a role change. The group info is cached for that dialog.
[15:34]	Aric Linden nods at Soft 	Aric Linden nods at Soft
[15:34]	Ciaran Laval: 	Agreed Aric as it eventually works, hence why I ended up with two roles of the same name
[15:34]	Aric Linden: 	Ciaran, Got it. it all makes sense
[15:34]	Aric Linden: 	let's see if QA can pin it down concretely before passing it over to devs
[15:35]	Aric Linden: 	per popular demand... ;-)
[15:35]	Aric Linden: 	is next
[15:35]	Aric Linden: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-120
[15:35]	Aric Linden: 	Gigs was beating on perms this week
[15:35]	Aric Linden: 	/applauds Gigs efforts
[15:35]	Seg Baphomet: 	I see people!
[15:36]	Ciaran Laval: 	Working as intended isn't it?
[15:36]	Soft Linden: 	This one, I'd sure thing was by design, yeah.
[15:36]	Seg Baphomet: 	What am I walking in on?
[15:36]	Squirrel Wood: 	yups. always been that way
[15:36]	Soft Linden: 	It's possible the ability description should explicitly mention returning though.
[15:36]	Aric Linden: 	Hi Seg, we're triageing bugs
[15:36]	Daedalus Young: 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda
[15:37]	Aric Linden: 	Or it's possible that the modification requested here is a feature request
[15:37]	Aric Linden: 	not a bug
[15:37]	Squirrel Wood: 	I'd see it as feature request
[15:37]	Daedalus Young: 	yes, an extra level: "Can Modify" and "Can have even more control"
[15:37]	Aric Linden: 	Soft?
[15:37]	Daedalus Young: 	where Can Modify is only that: modify
[15:38]	Aric Linden: 	what do you think?
[15:38]	Soft Linden: 	Not sure another level's needed here, but I'd make the decsription more explicit.
[15:38]	Aric Linden: 	Hi wyn
[15:38]	Wyn Galbraith is late. "Sorry. Lost track of time, darn RL anyway." 	Wyn Galbraith is late. "Sorry. Lost track of time, darn RL anyway."
[15:38]	Soft Linden: 	I'd not call it a bug, but a suggestion, and make the suggestion clarifying the text. :)
[15:38]	Bridie Linden: 	Move to feature request or resolve 'won't finish'?
[15:38]	Sculpt TorusKnot Ollj: Hello, Avatar! 	Sculpt TorusKnot Ollj: Hello, Avatar!
[15:38]	Aric Linden: 	I think we need more info. Clarification of the issue first
[15:39]	Aric Linden: 	then possibly import as a feature request?
[15:39]	Sculpt TorusKnot Ollj: Hello, Avatar! 	Sculpt TorusKnot Ollj: Hello, Avatar!
[15:39]	Seg Baphomet: 	What bug are we on?
[15:39]	Daedalus Young: 	SVC-120
[15:40]	Soft Linden: 	Dunno. The issue looks pretty clear to me: Someone grants modify, and they don't realize they're letting people return things too. Can do needs more info and ask if clarifying the text would satisfy the reporter and voters.
[15:40]	Aric Linden: 	ok.
[15:40]	Aric Linden: 	that makes sense to me
[15:40]	Bridie Linden: 	thx Soft
[15:40]	Soft Linden thumbsup! 	Soft Linden thumbsup!
[15:40]	Aric Linden: 	moving along https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-122
[15:40]	Aric Linden: 	Simulators stay online even when the CAPS server is down
[15:41]	Soft Linden: 	Actually from what he describes it sounds more like a congested data server. Could ask Icehouse just to be sure though.
[15:41]	Daedalus Young: 	I know nothing of this
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood: 	hmmm.... if a teleport takes waaaay long and you abort it... you end up unable to TP anywhere
[15:42]	Aric Linden: 	I'm wondering if KillDataserver will help with this?
[15:42]	Daedalus Young: 	Squirrel, you often end up unable to do anything at all except quit
[15:42]	Dale Glass: 	yep, aborting teleports seems not to work properly
[15:42]	Ciaran Laval: 	Yes I've had that Squirrel
[15:42]	Daedalus Young: 	but that's another issue
[15:42]	Ciaran Laval: 	Can't move either when that happens
[15:42]	Squirrel Wood: 	teleport to a sim that doesn't allow you in and it will take ages. abort and bam.
[15:42]	Soft Linden: 	It should if it's data server. It's worth asking if we do handle a dead backbone though, because some of the services named -are- headed over to backbone (killdataserver)
[15:42]	Daedalus Young: 	I've also had the teleport not cancelled at all
[15:42]	Aric Linden nods 	Aric Linden nods
[15:43]	Aric Linden: 	I'm sure glad you're here, Soft
[15:43]	Soft Linden: 	I'll add a comment to that effect if you want to import and just pass it on?
[15:43]	Aric Linden: 	Yes please
[15:43]	Aric Linden: 	and I think we can assign it directly to icehouse asking for more info
[15:43]	Aric Linden: 	Bridie, maybe just direct it at Periapse
[15:43]	Bridie Linden: 	will do
[15:44]	Aric Linden: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-123 is next
[15:44]	Bridie Linden: 	after Soft comments
[15:44]	Ciaran Laval: 	Is Alexa still here?
[15:44]	Aric Linden nods at bridie and says thanks 	Aric Linden nods at bridie and says thanks
[15:44]	Aric Linden: 	I don't think so
[15:44]	Soft Linden: 	Commented
[15:44]	Aric Linden: 	I believe I saw that she'd logged off
[15:44]	Ciaran Laval: 	Ah shame she might have had more info
[15:45]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	btw, it happens to me on a Mac on a regular basis. Sometimes I have to try to paste 2-3 times before it takes
[15:45]	Squirrel Wood: 	123 is resolved
[15:45]	Soft Linden: 	Whoo hoo!
[15:45]	Aric Linden grins 	Aric Linden grins
[15:45]	Daedalus Young: 	but couldn't that be because the reporter found a workaround?
[15:45]	cj38 Klaar: 	In which client version is it resolved please?
[15:45]	Aric Linden: 	something related to this got a lot of internal discussion
[15:46]	Daedalus Young: 	I'd like to know what that workaround is then :P
[15:46]	Aric Linden: 	it's a really really tough thing for us to fix
[15:46]	Aric Linden: 	I think it's not resolved, but rather worked around
[15:46]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	do it a lot of times with mouse clicks in various places, to get the focus set right is the fix I found
[15:46]	Soft Linden: 	It's still broken somewhat; I can paste to some apps but not others.
[15:46]	Aric Linden: 	perhaps we should ask for the workaround to be documented
[15:46]	Soft Linden: 	I can't copy from SL into my IRC client for example, though I can copy from SL into a sticky, then copy from the sticky to IRC.
[15:47]	Squirrel Wood: 	there is a size limit to notecards..
[15:47]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	sometimes I can paste to one app copy, and paste to another
[15:47]	Daedalus Young: 	if it's only fixed by a workaround, it's still an open bug imo
[15:47]	Aric Linden: 	there are line return/feed issues too
[15:47]	Soft Linden: 	Yeah. I'm wondering if SL only supports a subset of the regular clipboard formats or something.
[15:47]	Soft Linden: 	Like maybe it only does utf-8, no plain ascii. Worth a peek.
[15:47]	Aric Linden: 	I don't know that anyone has ever consciously coded specifics for clipboards
[15:48]	Aric Linden: 	hmmm
[15:48]	Squirrel Wood: 	wasn't it a mac user who reported it ?
[15:48]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	and that is terribly platform specific
[15:48]	Aric Linden: 	you might want to take a look at the extant thread on this
[15:48]	Daedalus Young: 	I think so too, Soft
[15:48]	Aric Linden: 	CG Linden logged this as an issue (or something very similiar
[15:48]	Daedalus Young: 	after all, you obviosly can't paste if you have an image in your clipboard
[15:48]	Aric Linden: 	/similar
[15:48]	Seg Baphomet: 	I'm having problems with SL cut and paste and Synergy.
[15:48]	Aric Linden: 	ok
[15:48]	Wyn Galbraith: 	Works on my machine.
[15:48]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	well, you can, if you're on a mac, heading to the right app.
[15:48]	Seg Baphomet: 	(on Linux)
[15:48]	Daedalus Young: 	so the same can be true for some decoded text formats
[15:49]	Aric Linden: 	let's import it and see if we can get some informed data around what is and isn't and should and shouldn't be supported
[15:49]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	my recolection is that standards say you should paste the name of the image if it only handles text
[15:49]	Bridie Linden nods 	Bridie Linden nods
[15:49]	Aric Linden: 	with regard to clipboards and platforms
[15:50]	Aric Linden shouts: moving along here https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-454 	Aric Linden shouts: moving along here https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-454
[15:50]	Daedalus Young: 	I know Gimp won't paste as new image when I copy one in Opera too :/
[15:50]	Squirrel Wood: 	I wonder....
[15:50]	Bridie Linden: 	I just re-opened 123
[15:50]	Daedalus Young: 	Voice Beta, sounds like it'll be fixed by now
[15:50]	Aric Linden: 	Avatar Locks Up in Voice Beta Client
[15:50]	Aric Linden: 	last note is from last week
[15:50]	Daedalus Young: 	thanks Bridie
[15:50]	Wyn Galbraith hrms. 	Wyn Galbraith hrms.
[15:51]	Aric Linden: 	but the card is an intel 945
[15:51]	Wyn Galbraith: 	Intel graphic chips will cause hanging.
[15:51]	Wyn Galbraith: 	But what in voice could be triggering it.
[15:51]	Squirrel Wood: 	I still do get the occassional freezes when keeping the camera still for a longer time and then suddenly moving it or turning in mouselook. from a couple secods to a total freeze. program eats up 100% cpu.
[15:51]	Daedalus Young: 	doesn't look like the comment is related to this specific issue though
[15:51]	Daedalus Young: 	could be anythiing
[15:51]	Aric Linden: 	yes
[15:51]	Soft Linden: 	This is an ancient bug
[15:51]	Soft Linden: 	April is a very early voice build.
[15:52]	Aric Linden: 	the card is unsupported. I don't think these are related issues
[15:52]	Ciaran Laval: 	The comment is an intermittent issue as opposed to the permanent issue the first poster talks of
[15:52]	Squirrel Wood: 	mayhaps it is a caching issue?
[15:52]	Daedalus Young: 	indeed Ciaran
[15:52]	Aric Linden: 	I'd say resolve
[15:52]	Wyn Galbraith: 	There must be something else causing it though.
[15:52]	Aric Linden looks at Rob 	Aric Linden looks at Rob
[15:52]	Wyn Galbraith: 	Why would voice case the graphics to hang?
[15:53]	Dale Glass: 	how's the Linux voice binary going, btw?
[15:53]	Daedalus Young: 	yes, but there's nothing that suggests to me the comment absolutely has to do with voice enabled regions
[15:53]	Aric Linden shrugs at Dale 	Aric Linden shrugs at Dale
[15:53]	Wyn Galbraith: 	First problem wasn't on Intel graphics.
[15:53]	Aric Linden: 	I don't know the details, i'm sorry to say
[15:53]	Ciaran Laval: 	I think we need more information from Arylwen
[15:53]	Soft Linden: 	Dale - would ping Tofu on that on sldev. He's the one testing/integrating.
[15:53]	Soft Linden: 	I haven't heard a recent update.
[15:53]	Aric Linden: 	I agree with Ciaran
[15:53]	Dale Glass: 	ok
[15:54]	Aric Linden: 	Last I heard he was getting close to a buildme
[15:54]	Aric Linden: 	but that was a while back
[15:54]	Wyn Galbraith nods more information, does it still happen maybe. 	Wyn Galbraith nods more information, does it still happen maybe.
[15:54]	Dale Glass: 	that's good to know :-)
[15:54]	Aric Linden: 	on 454, let's ask for more info. I don't think this is a voice related issue
[15:54]	Ciaran Laval: 	Certainly and does it happen when she disables voice and sound.
[15:54]	Seg Baphomet: 	Considering how old this bug is I'd ask if its still present in something current. ;P
[15:55]	Wyn Galbraith: 	1.14
[15:55]	Wyn Galbraith: 	That's a long time ago.
[15:55]	Daedalus Young: 	the issue speaks of -all- voice enabled regions
[15:55]	Squirrel Wood: 	Pardon me but I just gotta sneak https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-632 in for a couple votes ^^ (Yes! 21 votes is nowhere near enough! ^^)
[15:55]	Rob Linden was clearly only half paying attn.....only now notices Aric's "looking at Rob" comment	Rob Linden was clearly only half paying attn.....only now notices Aric's "looking at Rob" comment
[15:55]	Daedalus Young: 	that would currently be everywhere
[15:55]	Daedalus Young: 	so don't think it's still an issue
[15:55]	Aric Linden: 	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-490
[15:55]	Wyn Galbraith: 	LOL Rob.
[15:55]	Aric Linden nods at Daedalus 	Aric Linden nods at Daedalus
[15:55]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	I'm still workign on prototyping the dialog box for 632, Squirrel
[15:56]	Aric Linden: 	I think it's the hardware - latitude and a 945 are a pretty basic setup
[15:56]	Bridie Linden: 	454 - should be 'needs more info' or 'can't repro'?
[15:56]	Seg Baphomet: 	Needs more info.
[15:56]	Aric Linden: 	Thanks Seg
[15:56]	Aric Linden: 	LOD algorithm broken?
[15:57]	Seg Baphomet: 	What the OP is complaining about is not a bug.
[15:57]	Seg Baphomet: 	There's a possible feature request in there though.
[15:58]	Squirrel Wood: 	dell latitude computers aren't exactly gambling machines
[15:58]	Seg Baphomet: 	Framerate sensitive LOD may be something to play with.
[15:58]	Daedalus Young: 	gambling isn't allowed anyway
[15:58]	Seg Baphomet: 	But really, there's not bug here.
[15:59]	Aric Linden: 	well, to be honest, I think this is being addressed internally anyway
[15:59]	Seg Baphomet: 	How so?
[15:59]	Aric Linden: 	I'm tempted to resolve with a note that says we're working on this and we won't fix this in particular
[16:00]	Aric Linden: 	with something we're calling avatar imposters
[16:00]	Seg Baphomet: 	Heh. Billboarding?
[16:00]	Aric Linden: 	sort of, Seg.
[16:00]	Aric Linden: 	you know, you ought to come by more often, Seg.
[16:00]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	sillouets?
[16:00]	Aric Linden grins 	Aric Linden grins
[16:00]	Seg Baphomet: 	orly?
[16:01]	Rob Linden: 	absolutely
[16:01]	Aric Linden: 	absolutely?
[16:01]	Aric Linden: 	orly?
[16:01]	Aric Linden: 	or more often?
[16:01]	Ciaran Laval: 	Woot
[16:01]	Saijanai Kuhn looks confused 	Saijanai Kuhn looks confused
[16:01]	Seg Baphomet: 	I dunno, I've been trying to idle in this sim.
[16:01]	Ciaran Laval: 	Cheers Squirrel
[16:01]	Seg Baphomet: 	Help attract a community. :)
[16:01]	Aric Linden: 	nice
[16:02]	Aric Linden: 	i'll try and come hang out with you once in a while.
[16:02]	Bridie Linden: 	orly is the new ossm?
[16:02]	Aric Linden: 	ahhhs
[16:02]	Aric Linden finds it difficult to keep up with these kids these days 	Aric Linden finds it difficult to keep up with these kids these days
[16:02]	Seg Baphomet: 	I'd really like to be able to hang around other developers again. Informally.
[16:02]	Saijanai Kuhn: 	ossm?
[16:02]	Bridie Linden: 	what says everyone w/490?
[16:02]	Seg Baphomet: 	NOTABUG
[16:03]	Bridie Linden: 	ossm was the new xlnt (a.k.a, Bridie being a lazy typer)
[16:03]	Aric Linden: 	I'm still trying to remember to say groovy and hip
[16:03]	Rob Linden: 	like wow man
[16:03]	Daedalus Young: 	gnarly
[16:03]	Soft Linden: 	Might import it and just make it a question for whoever was doing the new prefs dialog.
[16:03]	Aric Linden: 	right on!
[16:03]	Wyn Galbraith: 	Cool dude. Surf's up.
[16:04]	Aric Linden: 	Thinks soft is right on regarding 490
[16:04]	Seg Baphomet: 	The LOD is working as designed. :)
[16:04]	Aric Linden: 	hehe
[16:04]	Bridie Linden: 	Seg -
[16:04]	Aric Linden: 	And with that digression, I think we've completed our session
[16:04]	Wyn Galbraith: 	LOL
[16:04]	Aric Linden: 	Thanks to all for coming today.
[16:04]	Soft Linden: 	Lots done today - cool :>
[16:04]	Squirrel Wood: 	LOD? Who needs LOD? Everyone should run a dual 8800 board on their system anyway ;)
[16:05]	Daedalus Young: 	wow, time flies when you're discussing bugs
[16:05]	Aric Linden: 	Special kudos to Soft and Bridie and Rob
[16:05]	Ciaran Laval: 	To be fair that list was bug city
[16:05]	Squirrel Wood: 	MISC-632 - Every vote counts ^^
[16:05]	Aric Linden: 	This was a most excellent triage