Doc Team/2010-01-20

== Transcript ==
[13:02]	:	lonetorus your eyes hypnotize me... !
[13:02]	:	You have a watermelon shoe too!
[13:02]	:	i have a question... dont think its much for this OH but its a problem atm
[13:02]	:	Hey lonetorus, I actually wanted to ask you, what are some cool geometric architecture places in SL you'd recommend?
[13:02]	:	torley torrent
[13:03]	:	uhmm
[13:03]	:	hi
[13:03]	:	Please ask Yana!
[13:03]	:	:D
[13:03]	:	Oooh those are some mighty fine shoes lonetorus!
[13:03]	:	Hiya
[13:03]	:	Hey, Marrianne
[13:03]	:	OMG that rocks! They change colors. :D
[13:04]	:	i belive this is the first time im at office hour here
[13:04]	:	Yeah so lonetorus some backstory, I was looking at some Euro art and design architecture stuff... and was revisiting some of your work and Akeyo's, and thought you'd be a good person to ask..
[13:04]	:	cool
[13:04]	:	also, been away from sl for about 2 months
[13:04]	:	only 2nd night back
[13:04]	:	Ahh okay no worries!
[13:04]	:	Hey Torley long time no see, hehe happy new year :p
[13:05]	:	welcome back lonetorus :)
[13:05]	:	Happy New Year! It's never too late!
[13:05]	:	yes indeed, thank you :D
[13:05]	:	yeap ㋡
[13:05]	:	And as always if anyone has any cool places they've been in Second Life (I know you always have something, Mari), feel free to share =o)
[13:05]	:	HAPPEH EASTER everyone!
[13:05]	:	if one resident is spying on another to get them banned, or making alts to get a reaction and then AR the person they are wishing to get banned, also telling them they have contact with Lindens and is able to perma ban them, is there anything more we can do other than ARs?
[13:05]	:	hi Jeremy ㋡
[13:05]	 	has pinged you.
[13:05]	:	Arawn Spitteler's got a Vid Tut Suggestion for Torley, at http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1435 : ARs are pretty effective
[13:06]	:	`its been going on for about 2 months now
[13:06]	:	Hullo!
[13:06]	:	Ah, good question, Yana. ARs help document repeated abuse and each instance does add up, so continuing to report inappropriate behavior is the right thing to do. Sucks to hear it's been continuing. :(
[13:06]	:	what? the animation is for tiny? wow ㋡
[13:06]	:	A suitable response is what they're usually looking for. Steal their avatars, and do a comedy routine
[13:07]	:	Oh yeah Arawn, I've seen some people order their picks with Unicode numbering too.
[13:07]	:	its also in a welcome area
[13:07]	:	yeah, concerning the AR, feature can you add some line of reason for this or?
[13:07]	:	Caliah Lyon's profile is a good example of that.
[13:07]	:	Alohas !!
[13:07]	:	lonetorus Habilis contemplates the feeling of being lost, 2 months away feels like a lifetime in some ways
[13:08]	:	lonetorus, wow! Well welcome back. :)
[13:08]	:	Most alter the parcel name, to attest to their friendships, which we should have a different tab for. Those of us who don't, don't tend to realise it can be done.
[13:08]	:	Hey Youri
[13:08]	:	guten abent
[13:08]	 	
[13:08]	:	friendly hello's!
[13:08]	:	:p
[13:08]	:	Nice to have each and all of you with us today!
[13:08]	:	burnt out on 3d entirely, not had 3ds max open in the same time span
[13:08]	:	HAPPEh hellos!
[13:08]	:	Nice to finally meet ye in person torley : )
[13:08]	:	You too Buddy! =)
[13:09]	:	now setting up a stream provider business, see how that goes
[13:09]	:	hello Torley! nice to see you this week!
[13:09]	:	Don't miss Kate Linden's profile of Courtney Linden in the "meet a Linden" series... https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/support/blog/2010/01/20/meet-courtney-linden
[13:09]	:	hey kate!
[13:09]	:	And my tips for searching the flogs, er, blogs easier! https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/tnt/blog/2010/01/20/blog-tips-google-for-easier-searching-see-your-recent-activity
[13:09]	:	missed you last week :(
[13:09]	:	Hi Youri
[13:09]	:	Loading media streams on the internet? Does that require any special connection?
[13:09]	:	torley linden ich habe ein poblehm könnten sie mir bitte helfen
[13:09]	 	a poblehm they could help me please
[13:09]	:	it help sif it's fast yh
[13:10]	:	Please explain, Joshua? (Cool translator!)
[13:10]	:	helps | if
[13:10]	:	and now jeremy rezzes, hey jeremy :p
[13:10]	 	has pinged you.
[13:10]	:	Hello!
[13:10]	:	Hey Jeremy!
[13:10]	 	has pinged you.
[13:10]	:	hello
[13:10]	:	Hello Jeremy!
[13:10]	 	has pinged you.
[13:10]	:	Hello MariAnne
[13:10]	:	I missed everyone that attends my office hour too. Lot's of writing going on for me. I've been especially busy :)
[13:10]	:	Oh, I try not to ask lindens for help with my own problems, but always look for a Mentor when stumped
[13:10]	:	Youri, I was here last week. :)
[13:10]	:	Sahkolihaa Contepomi waits for everything to rez.
[13:10]	:	ich wollte bei linden lab suport anrufen weil ich ein avatar von mir gespert is und weis nicht warum und da sind nur englische mit arbeiter kann aber nur deutsch
[13:10]	:	Kate - busy times right now!
[13:10]	 	to linden lab suport because I got a call from my avatar is gespert and knows not why, and there are only popular with employees but can only German
[13:11]	:	Sorry I was late.... hatd some RL stuff to deal with. Did I mis anything of note?
[13:11]	:	Indeed Marianne!
[13:11]	:	almost forgot the time, was playing Fall out 3 :p
[13:11]	:	Gespert?
[13:11]	:	ich kann mich mit den nicht ein logen
[13:11]	 	with not a homologous
[13:11]	:	I wish I could speak German, I'm sorry it's not translating enough for me to understand, Joshua  can anyone speak German?
[13:11]	:	Nathan, you're just in time! Ha ha ha! Welcome!
[13:12]	:	i can try to translate better
[13:12]	:	㋡
[13:12]	:	gespert would be banned or something to that extent
[13:12]	:	although im not german myself and dont know the language as good either
[13:12]	:	Fury, I am not sure what happens here but there is usually a crowd.
[13:12]	:	I have a fee one I can rezz it if it's enabled
[13:12]	:	Torley: he need a german supporter to ask why is other account is locked.
[13:12]	:	free
[13:12]	:	is -> his
[13:12]	:	Thanks Tillie and lonetorus.
[13:12]	:	think he is saying that he can not login
[13:12]	:	my keyboard's bugged.
[13:13]	:	ich weis das nicht
[13:13]	 	not proof the
[13:13]	:	His other account might not be logged off, preperly
[13:13]	:	is there a german phone hotline?
[13:13]	:	Nathan Adored has this sudden picture of Tillie's keybaord crawling with tiny insects. heh
[13:13]	:	okay, hi joshua. I hope this translator works a little better
[13:13]	:	okay, hallo joshua. Ich hoffe, diese Übersetzer arbeitet ein wenig besser
[13:13]	:	yeah looks good
[13:13]	:	ja hört sich besser an
[13:13]	 	better
[13:13]	:	We do have a German # if you're logged into the site in German.
[13:13]	:	:)
[13:13]	:	:)
[13:14]	:	ah
[13:14]	:	okay, could you ask again for the Doc team?
[13:14]	:	okay, könnten Sie wieder für den Dok-Team zu stellen?
[13:14]	:	Liqueur! Good to see you!
[13:15]	:	wie kann ich fragen warum mein anderer avatar gebannt ist?
[13:15]	:	ahhh
[13:15]	:	ahhh
[13:15]	:	i thought you were asking soemthign in that direction
[13:15]	:	Ich dachte, Sie fragten soemthign in diese Richtung
[13:15]	:	Is there a banned message, or just not able to log in?
[13:15]	:	So, anything specific on the agenda for today, or just.... whatever comes up? ㋡
[13:15]	:	Liqueur Felix waves "Friendly greetings ! " *ping*
[13:15]	:	hello
[13:15]	:	Nathan, we're pretty open, so if you have a curiosity about Second Life documentation, tips & tricks, and related stuff, we can prolly help! :D
[13:16]	:	Arawn Spitteler votes for Evolutionary Foetor
[13:16]	:	i think you should fill in a ticket on the official website, then you may find out what is going on with your account joshua
[13:16]	:	Ich glaube, Sie sollten in ein Ticket auf der offiziellen Webseite zu füllen, dann können Sie herausfinden, was los ist mit Ihrem Konto joshua
[13:16]	:	Everytime you say "Friendly Greetings," a watermelon gets its wings. Or something
[13:16]	:	Hahaha. ^_^
[13:16]	:	o_o
[13:16]	:	=^.^=
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:16]	:	funnehe
[13:16]	:	Well, I have one or two things I might bring up.... but I might instad just play it by ear and watch the proceedings
[13:16]	:	stop it guys, trying to help joshua
[13:16]	:	stop it guys, versuchen zu helfen joshua
[13:16]	:	ich kann bei den anderen konto kein ticket schreiben da get gar nix mehr
[13:16]	:	Oh feel free to at any time Nathan!
[13:16]	:	Gebührenfrei (Deutschland) 0800.664.5510
[13:16]	:	ok mom
[13:17]	:	youri its not translating for us... you will have to paste it
[13:17]	:	Run it up the Flag Pole, and see who salutes
[13:17]	:	I'm pleased with the fact you added the wiki artical on covenents..... just would love to see someting in there about what sorts of things should not be in covenents, but that some places insist on sticking in there anyway.
[13:17]	:	Joshua, I think this page may be what you are looking for: https://secure-web38.secondlife.com/my/account/login.php?type=second-life-member&nextpage= /my/support/index.php?new_ticket=true〈=de-DE
[13:17]	:	Joshua, ich glaube, diese Seite kann das sein, was Sie suchen: https: / / secure-web38.secondlife.com/my/account/login.php? Type = Second-Life-Member & NEXTPAGE = / my / support / index.php ? new_ticket = true & lang = de-DE
[13:18]	:	wen ich da anrufe dan sagen die immer das da keine deutsche mitarbeiter da sind
[13:18]	:	Nathan, what's an example of that?
[13:18]	:	torley aparently they dont speak german at german support number
[13:18]	:	That would not be good.
[13:18]	:	I think you can only ask about your account trough filling in a ticket joshua, none of these Lindens can directly help you out
[13:18]	:	Ich denke, man kann nur über Ihr Konto Trog Ausfüllen eines Ticket joshua fragen, kann keines dieser Lindens direkt helfen Ihnen aus
[13:18]	:	Oh my.
[13:18]	:	Whaaa? No speak German at the German Support center? Fooey!
[13:19]	:	that's odd…
[13:19]	:	Live Chat doesn't help?
[13:19]	:	I have never called. I use live chat.
[13:19]	:	joshua has a banned avitar he said
[13:19]	:	Joshua hat eine verbotene Avitar sagte er
[13:19]	:	joshua, du has die nummer 0800.664.5510 angeruft?
[13:19]	:	that is why i gave him the link for filling in a ticket
[13:20]	:	Deshalb habe ich ihm die für das Ausfüllen ein Ticket Link
[13:20]	:	ja das get net
[13:20]	:	I use Live chat all the time too
[13:20]	:	usually the only way to try and get it back
[13:20]	:	My Account 
 Are you having a little trouble with your password or security
[13:20]	:	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Simone_Linden Would know, whether SL has any German Employees
[13:20]	:	in der Regel der einzige Weg, um zu versuchen, sie zurück
[13:20]	:	If you have a banned account, filing a ticket is the right thing to do. There's a ticket type for that which should be in the German section, too.
[13:20]	:	das steht immer da
[13:20]	:	und sie sagst niemand sprechts dutch ?
[13:20]	:	My Account 
 Are you having a little trouble with your password or security
[13:20]	:	joshua: is your account banned or just lost your password?
[13:20]	:	joshua: Ihr Account gesperrt oder einfach nur Ihr Passwort vergessen?
[13:20]	:	und ich weis net was das ist
[13:21]	:	ik ben nederlands lone :p
[13:21]	:	ik ben nederlands Alleinerziehende: p
[13:21]	:	Joshua: das sagt, daß dein Passwort wohl falsch ist.
[13:21]	:	danish, same difference, re german ;)
[13:21]	:	okay, then you need to reset the password joshua
[13:21]	:	Okay, dann müssen Sie das Passwort zurücksetzen joshua
[13:21]	:	Bless you polyglots!
[13:21]	:	wie mach ich das ?
[13:22]	:	i am sure there should be a button that says something like "reset"
[13:22]	:	Ich bin sicher, es sollte eine Schaltfläche, dass so etwas sagt, "reset"
[13:22]	:	Well, there is tis one sim that.... well, this was a bit of a stink about it in the kid-av community.... ther's this sim that has a thing several paragraphs down into the covenent that says kid-avs aren;t allowed there, and will be ejected on sight. And this is a PG sim. If they want to tell ordinary visitors (not tenents) tht certain sorts of avvies should avoid going there, it should be in a form that someone could conceivably learn of before coming there, since often you can't access the covenent without being ON the sim.... but if the rule is you can't come ON the sim without reading the covenent FIRST...... anything of that nature should be in a welcome center, as posted signs, and anyway, covenents are really meant for paying tenents of the sim anyway, right?
[13:22]	:	hehe yh talk more than one language is bliss in SL
[13:22]	:	Joshua: https://secure-web33.secondlife.com/my/account/request.php?lang=de
[13:22]	:	sorry doc team for hijacking the OH like this :o
[13:22]	:	sorry doc-Team für die Entführung der OH wie folgt aus: o
[13:22]	:	sorry for the war-and-peace comment there. ㋡
[13:22]	:	Joshua: Da deinen Namen eingeben, den Code aus der Grafik reintippen dann kriegst Du eine Mail.
[13:23]	:	if he's stuck somewhere ghosting he won' tbe able to log in either…
[13:23]	:	ok
[13:23]	:	Nathan, ah, before we implemented covenants there was an idea that you should be able to easily see a covenant before teleporting somewhere. Sometimes I see places with welcome areas (for lack of a better term) saying "Realistic humans only past this gate!" and what have you not.
[13:23]	:	1) ask the Server Admin to Restart the sim
[13:23]	:	my friend got ghosted... took 3 week and several tickets to get her out
[13:24]	:	2) use live caht to be logged out and be able to log back in
[13:24]	:	It happend to me more than once actually
[13:24]	:	True Torley. Likewise, nto all have "landing points," which is a bit of poor form, I think.
[13:24]	:	live chat requires a premium account
[13:24]	:	But unpleasant as it is, Nathan, private estate owners do have the right to determine who can be on their land, including types of avatars, as long as it doesn't otherwise conflict with the Community Standards.
[13:24]	:	buddy, he most likely filled in a wrong password, a simple password reset sends a new password to his e-mail account
[13:24]	:	Kumpel, er höchstwahrscheinlich in ein falsches Passwort, ein einfaches Passwort-Reset gefüllt sendet ein neues Passwort an seine E-Mail-Konto
[13:24]	:	He can check his password and account status by logging in to the web site.
[13:24]	:	Landing point! That's what I was looking for, Mari.
[13:24]	:	You're welcome! :-)
[13:25]	:	if he is banned however, he may receive a message for that
[13:25]	:	wenn er aber verboten ist, kann er eine Nachricht erhalten, dass für
[13:25]	:	i remember there was a sim that would not let furry avatars in
[13:25]	:	if he cant log into the website then we know whats wrong
[13:25]	:	was some sort of model of a church
[13:25]	:	Yeah, that sort of thing wuold be fine by me. It surprises me how many, frex, RP sims don't have such a welcome center that yuo get sent to when you come to the sim from Search, telling youy that,for instance, furries don't exist in tis RP world...
[13:25]	:	There are various roleplay regions which have a focused theme so they say, "No time travelers!" or "No giant dinosaurs!" etc.
[13:25]	:	Fury - likely more than a few of 'em. I recall specifically a German cathedral, as well as many fo the Gorean spots
[13:25]	:	hello niky!
[13:25]	:	Hallo Niky!
[13:25]	:	Anyway, it'd make sense to recommend someting liike that in the wiki article on covenents....
[13:25]	:	Niky Zenovka waves
[13:25]	:	yh true that
[13:25]	:	Hello
[13:25]	:	thats the one Marianne
[13:25]	:	Some sims don't alow Male Avatars
[13:26]	:	I alway suse the "visitor" tag
[13:26]	:	actually we started a little protest about it but i found it pointless
[13:26]	:	Good point Arawn!
[13:26]	:	i just saw them as stupid for doing such
[13:26]	:	And that if there IS some sort of restruction on the types of avvies you allow on the sim, that it might be a good idea to palce it in the description of the sim.
[13:26]	:	Like those isles of lesbians and stuff.
[13:26]	:	I like to entreview RP sim owners and show them on the web
[13:26]	:	the description that typically comes up when someone adds the sim to their Picks.
[13:26]	:	Marianne McCann grins
[13:26]	:	I remember camming about that one, Fury. I did not bother to try for entrance. I figured if they would not take fur, then they sure werent gonna want the ikes of me underfoot
[13:26]	:	I hope all sims allow watermelons!
[13:26]	:	haha
[13:26]	:	hey they gotta eat : D
[13:27]	:	width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"
[13:27]	:	well, only ladies on a island and you cant touh any should make you really depressed as man :p
[13:27]	:	Fury Rosewood nods
[13:27]	:	its silly
[13:27]	:	its almost as bad as the so called griefers
[13:27]	:	nowadays
[13:27]	:	God Mode Watermelons can go anywhere. Well, Watermelons Allah-Mode, if you'r Mohammedan
[13:27]	:	So Nathan, while what we discussed (as long as it doesn't violate CS) is okay in a covenant, certainly, building guidelines for a good experience could be documented more. Of course, certain Residents, from experience, are in a good position to help with that.
[13:28]	:	dont mention watermelons buddy! or Torley will pickpocket you to get them!
[13:28]	:	:p
[13:28]	:	rofl
[13:28]	:	Anyway, this one particular sim I was talking about..... it is a city cim, with mundane, non-adult stuff in it (PG sim, remember) and the major stink was that they were ejecting ppl even before they could READ the covenent..... that you'd show up, and get ejected the moment you got there.... AS you wre tyrying to read the covenent., Really, really bad move on the part of theone running the sim
[13:28]	:	Might be good to provide some "best practice" examples or some such, perhaps.
[13:28]	:	Watermellon gummy bears!!!
[13:28]	:	So Arawn, would Waterme Linden be able to go everyWHAR then? :P
[13:28]	:	I was once rejected from a homeowners' association (in SL) because I couldn't comply with zoning guidelines... but hey... I understand.
[13:28]	:	sorry torley, couldnt resist :p
[13:29]	:	Mari, yeah, maybe like so many other articles we'll put some key points and encourage Residents to fill in vital stuff that's missing.
[13:29]	:	I still need more group space we shoul dget at least 100!!!
[13:29]	:	oh man da sind dan so nachnamen gekommen und ich muste vorname eingeben aber hab das falsch gemacht da get jetzt nix mehr
[13:29]	:	Are you having a little trouble with your password or security 
 question? We can get this straightened out by talking to you.
[13:29]	:	*makes a note to blog about covenants...*
[13:30]	:	Thjis was literally a case of someone like "They put WHAT in the covenent?!? and popping over ther to see for themselves... and getting ejected the second they got there.
[13:30]	:	joshua, you need to remember both first as last name, else it can not give you the password
[13:30]	:	joshua, müssen Sie sich sowohl an zunächst als Nachname, sonst kann es nicht geben Sie das Kennwort
[13:30]	:	A region owner once made me leave, because my land was "distracting, out of charecter, blinding, hiteous, and annoying". LOL
[13:30]	:	Why is it giving him an English message and a US number to call?
[13:30]	:	Goreans don't accept Furries, despite my wanting to meet my fellow God-Kings
[13:30]	:	mmm maybe should exist a covenant guidline from LL
[13:31]	:	Guess that's what happens when you make everything full bright, glowing, and colored in neon.
[13:31]	:	:D
[13:31]	:	goreans dont accept anyone unless you obay to their laws
[13:31]	:	so ppl don' tget to nazi when they set them
[13:31]	:	ich kann ja beweisen das es mein avatar is ich hab mit den alterüberprüfung gemacht und alles
[13:31]	:	brb have to play with stewie
[13:31]	:	hehe my land in mainland is right next to a Gorean RP parcel
[13:31]	:	lulz
[13:32]	:	i dont get the Gorean thing but... each to their own,
[13:32]	:	Torley....can I edit your vids to be suitable for disabled veterans, disabled people in general (make them slower, use snapshots, read the text slower etc)?
[13:32]	:	name needs to be 100% correct joshua, if it is not, it simply will not be accepted
[13:32]	:	Name muss 100
[13:32]	:	Ya, a lot of the kidsaces are very strict on weapons, nudity and revealing attire (on avvies of any age), language, etc.
[13:32]	:	The thing about Goreans is... at least you know going in, by the reputation, that certain kinds of avvies aren't going to exist there....
[13:32]	:	Translator goofed after/on the %
[13:33]	:	keep a notebook next to the computer and write down all the log in data when ye resgister any account
[13:33]	:	and details like security question and answer
[13:34]	:	Hmmmm..... that 100% correct ont he name thing, would that include cases sensativeness?
[13:34]	:	yup
[13:34]	:	That is, you gotta have the name capitalised exactly the way it was originally?
[13:34]	:	ich kann nicht mehr machen
[13:34]	:	My Account 
 Are you having a little trouble with your password or security
[13:35]	:	Figured as much. :D
[13:35]	:	das steht dan immer da
[13:35]	:	case Sensitivity? Definitely part of the name
[13:35]	:	ah, he is on english website
[13:35]	:	lol
[13:35]	:	Joshua: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:I_forgot_my_password._What_should_I_do%3F/de
[13:35]	:	joshua, left top corner you see "language"
[13:35]	:	joshua, linken oberen Ecke sehen Sie "Sprache"
[13:35]	:	change this to your own language, german
[13:35]	:	ändern zu Ihrer eigenen Sprache, Deutsch
[13:36]	:	Be Right Back!! ツ
[13:36]	:	you should be able to read it all much better then
[13:36]	:	Sie sollten in der Lage, das alles viel besser lesen, dann
[13:36]	:	Anyway, I do think that it should be stressed that covenents are really meant mostly to tell how tenents (those that rent spaces) are expected to behave themselves, and that any rules on how guests should conduct themselves should be placed with moderation.... and not be excessive and unfair.
[13:36]	 	v1.2d: Thank you, sandhya2 Patel! Let me show you the web page where you can find the Knowledge Base.
[13:36]	:	In summary re: land access, even though it's not "nice" per se, the landowner can eject whoever they want without explaining so.
[13:37]	:	Marianne McCann has done that herself
[13:37]	:	true, but having mention in there that "WEll, you CAN do that, but... you KNOW doing it the more fair way IS the right thing to do... socially and morally..."
[13:37]	:	I've been griefed by estate owner, but then she trusted another estate owner, as a land manager
[13:38]	:	Each case is really different, too, sometimes you just get a time-wasting jerk who can't be reasoned with, and so, you gotta boot them. But each case is different so it's not useful to generalize. =)
[13:38]	:	nice avi, tillie!
[13:38]	:	really cute!
[13:38]	:	^^
[13:38]	:	It might also be worth stating that one SHOULD (voluntarily, of course) try to set the bar VERY high before saying certain kinda of avvies shouldn't be there.
[13:38]	:	It's generally not useful to generalise, but sometimes it might be
[13:39]	:	ich bedanke mich aber es kommt trotzdem immer diese eine meldung und so wie ich verstanden habe muss ich da anrufen
[13:39]	:	back
[13:39]	:	Arawn Spitteler wonders if Gor has any little trees, walking about
[13:39]	:	no problem joshua! hope you can get back on your account!
[13:39]	:	joshua kein Problem! hoffe, Sie können wieder auf Ihr Konto erhalten!
[13:39]	:	Nathan, while we can encourage overall friendliness (I'm all for that), we can't scrutinize details of social/moral codes  that's where Resident-to-Resident conflict resolution comes in. For instance, if estate managers have a problem with a covenant's harsh rules, they should take it up with the owner, as they're likely to be friends or business partners, and thus have some influence. It is an intriguing topic.
[13:39]	:	i.e. an RP sim that doesn't allow furries should state that, furries wil not be brought into the RP group, but that furries could still look around so long as they don't try to join in in the RP
[13:39]	:	yh good luck : )
[13:40]	:	I don't go to private places and make demands on how they treat people. If I don't like the way they treat me I leave. I haven't had any problems.
[13:40]	:	Ya, my thought would be a "suggestions and best practices." Can't tell someone what to do, but might be able to give them tips for making it better all around. Less hassles and drama for them, happier residents on both sides
[13:40]	:	ja vielen dank
[13:40]	:	Okay, take the "morally and socially" out, but still might be worth adding a comment that "You know it is the right thing to do in most case..." Kind of appeal to their sense of fair play there.
[13:40]	:	nochmal
[13:40]	:	i ve only been asked to leave in very few places in 3 years
[13:41]	:	if yer only visiting should be allowed as visitor , cuz visitors are "invisible" to RP
[13:41]	:	and i go like this 99% of the time
[13:41]	:	I accidentally wandered into a combat simulation and they halted fighting so somebody could approach me and ask me to leave. They were polite about it.
[13:41]	:	Sometimes similar questions come up on SL Answers, and they tend to be social communication issues (or misunderstandings) rather than, say, mechanics. Sometimes UI improvements can assist that, though. Gosh knows how many misunderstandings I've seen just because one IM got missed (!).
[13:41]	:	nathan: i think furries shouldnt be a problem at all. although i do say that even they should be dressed to the RP zone, and not run around nakid so to speak.
[13:41]	:	Sahkolihaa Contepomi has never been asked to leave an area.
[13:42]	:	well most sims are furry friendly
[13:42]	:	furries say a lot that they are suppost to be nakid, or are infact dressed since they have fur, but fur alone does not cover genitals for example
[13:42]	:	most sci-fi RPs in SL allow furries too
[13:42]	:	I can understand how many interruptions may drive them to be more millitant about entry rules.
[13:42]	:	Might also be worth placing a comment in there that goes like: You don't want to allow certain avvies. Well, think about why you don't, and if you pull that type of avvie out of the sentance "XYZ isn't allowe dher" and substitute, say, a rel-life minority there, and place yourself in the shoes of that real-life minority and how they'd react to being told they don't belong tere.
[13:43]	:	still can be seen as offensice
[13:43]	:	offensive*
[13:43]	:	most furries dont wear genitals
[13:43]	:	Buddy, I do very much like the crossovers. Like Stargate furries.
[13:43]	:	a furry not wearing any clothes?
[13:43]	:	There are some.
[13:43]	:	yh
[13:43]	:	I suppose so but I don't want people coming to my place and demanding their rightsm which they really don't have.
[13:43]	:	but that's not offensive
[13:43]	:	Genitals have to be added, but I haven't the lick self animation
[13:43]	:	You know tho, furries do sometimes go to nudist places, and wear furry-style genitals there.
[13:44]	:	they don't have genitals attached
[13:44]	:	there are some but they dont go into public areas wearing them
[13:44]	:	but te fact that they do sometimes wera them shouldn't reflect on furries in general
[13:44]	:	Some of this is beyond the scope of our discussion and what the Doc Team can directly help with (it's more of a governance thing), but as shown, definitely on people's minds.
[13:44]	:	like ardy and fury, they are dressed. although its ardly noticable though color choises. still that should be okay
[13:44]	:	yh but usually in day to day occurrences furries don' trun around with theier gens tingling
[13:44]	:	hahaha
[13:44]	:	Hey, Que and I are dressed too. :p
[13:45]	:	Oh, the Doc Issue is the Torley Tut on Covenant Issues
[13:45]	:	true Torley, Scott should be asked for that subject
[13:45]	:	hehe true
[13:45]	:	he has his OH tomorrow
[13:45]	:	The path of equating or closely comparing one's avatar choice to, say, homophobia or racism, is a very very thorny area we shall not get into. :)
[13:45]	:	whens the gov Office hour?
[13:45]	:	lol, agreed
[13:45]	:	tomorrow
[13:45]	:	Tomorrow before the open source OH.
[13:45]	:	Governor doesn't exist
[13:45]	:	I have a doc question: Can the entries in http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Office_Hours be sorted by time within a day?
[13:45]	:	[13:45] GG Office Hours HUD v1.5: Thursday, 1:00 PM: Scott Linden: Real Life Life Government in Second Life
 http://slurl.com/secondlife/Borrowdale/157/155/23
[13:45]	:	They're holding Governance OHs again?
[13:45]	:	But it's a real-life government in SL OH.
[13:45]	:	no Scott does the government one
[13:45]	:	We live in a PG region on the mainland. Cloting is not required there but exposure is not allowed either.
[13:46]	:	well as long as the avatar itself is not offensive, I think it's a go
[13:46]	:	oh kewl
[13:46]	:	we should elect a SL goverment hehe
[13:46]	:	i need to take this guys obsession with getting us banned to someone
[13:46]	:	In SL, being hated for Judaism or Blackness might be part of the game
[13:46]	:	Hehe.. we have "PG nude", like Wile E. Cyote.
[13:47]	:	I think the best government is common sense...
[13:47]	:	i rather see the person using the avitar behaving to the ToS of the RP zone, or any area they might be, instead of having a discussion about furry vs human
[13:47]	:	Anyway, the scuttlebutt I'd heard abot that particular sim (actually, its a SET of sims) from someone that was there.... was that the reason they didn't want to allow kid-avs on atheir PG sim was.... and belive me, this is heresay and I have no idea how true or untrue this might be..... but the scuttlebut was that they believed "There is no reason for anyone to ever be a kid-av in SL. Any that want to be... well, they're all just a bunch of pedos, anyway..." OO And so, that is why they don't want kid-avs on atheir PG sim. Oo
[13:47]	:	that' s totally agains ToS and shoul dbe reported
[13:47]	:	what is buddy?
[13:47]	:	bigottery
[13:48]	:	towards any group no matter which
[13:48]	:	I have seen places with "minimum avatar height" rules.
[13:48]	:	We allow Women, why not Bigots?
[13:48]	:	OMG rofl
[13:48]	:	Again, I have no idea how true or untrue that is.... it may be really badly garbled info by someone that majorly mishead it third or fourthhand through the Telephone Game
[13:48]	:	Usually with policy matters like this, we need to consult with other teams/departments that have ownership and further subject matter knowledge.
[13:48]	:	cuz biggots don' tallow anyone but themselves
[13:48]	:	think i rather stay out of that one :p
[13:49]	:	And, as I'll often say, we can't act on hearsay in disputes. Substantiation is required.
[13:49]	:	well bigottery is reportable that's what I wanted to say, but I rather keep out of that theme
[13:49]	:	Still if it IS true that their restricting kid-avs fromthe sim based on THAT rationall.... yeah, I'd say it might be time for someone from G-Team to go talk to the wners.
[13:49]	:	Bigotry is a religious practice, btw, and are entitled to their own builds
[13:49]	:	So often I hear "Some Linden said that..." and I go, "Which Linden?" and they don't have a name, and finally they fess up to having make it up to give it perceived credibility, when all it does is scare folks. That doesn't help anyone.
[13:49]	:	hehe
[13:50]	:	*made it up, same same but different!
[13:50]	:	Which Linden is a particular choice
[13:50]	:	Agreed Torley. :)
[13:50]	:	Heh, sometimes people falsely source Lindens who aren't even real people. Or not at LL anymore.
[13:50]	:	I rarely pay attention to statements beginning with "They said....". Define "They" for me and I might consider it.
[13:50]	:	i heared last week say something like that to me
[13:50]	:	Aye, Ardy...
[13:51]	:	tried to offend me by using lindens
[13:51]	:	Gotta chop the slop!
[13:51]	:	Today's world is confusing enough.
[13:51]	:	Arawn Spitteler could always teleport Phillip Linden in, to back up his statements, but the guy is always away.
[13:51]	:	lol
[13:51]	:	Sahkolihaa Contepomi is always confused.
[13:51]	:	philip is not on
[13:51]	:	lol
[13:51]	:	or... not on my friends list at least
[13:51]	:	Anyone else here into NCIS? Think of Gibbs' interrogating style, haha.
[13:51]	 	whispers: OMG I LOVE NCIS
[13:51]	:	I am torley!
[13:51]	:	i am
[13:52]	:	:D
[13:52]	:	haha, love his style :p
[13:52]	:	personally I like House over NCIS tho
[13:52]	:	makes you realllly dont wanna be in that room at that time :p
[13:52]	:	Niky Zenovka now has to watch NCIS to understand what the talk is about.
[13:52]	:	I don't watch House but I can appreciate the good characterization, and the fact Hugh Laurie has a VERY convincing American accent.
[13:52]	:	what
[13:52]	:	LOL
[13:52]	:	See, he's on my side
[13:52]	:	the
[13:52]	:	heck
[13:52]	:	<--- much more of a space-opera type
[13:53]	:	used to love blackadder
[13:53]	:	Blackadder!
[13:53]	:	When I first found out Hugh Laurie is british. I thought it was a prank.
[13:53]	:	im
[13:53]	:	I like Rowan Atkinson lots.
[13:53]	:	in jello?
[13:53]	:	the actor playing Gibbs is btw in a movie now
[13:53]	:	Reaper Batista begins to eat his way out
[13:53]	:	Niky Zenovka likes Big Bang Theory....
[13:53]	:	Hahaha Gnome, same here! Same reaction with finding out, who is that guy who played Spike on Buffy... James Marsters!
[13:53]	:	forgot the name tho
[13:53]	:	I was like "He's really an American? No way."
[13:53]	:	LOL :D
[13:54]	:	Big Bang Theory was recommended to me for sheer geeky fun but I haven't seen more than a few clips.
[13:54]	:	Some accents are so convincing!
[13:54]	:	Sahkolihaa Contepomi gets too many people around him when he speaks on voice.
[13:54]	:	Like Lucy Lawless?
[13:54]	:	Big Bang Theory is lotza geekatoid fun!
[13:54]	:	leanord from big bang played the kid in national lampoons christmas vacation
[13:54]	:	Someday we'll have automatic accent "translators" for voices along with voice-changers and we'll laugh at more primitive times.
[13:54]	:	i get lots of recommendations, hardly do anything with them due lack of time
[13:55]	:	LOL @ jeremy linden
[13:55]	 	has pinged you.
[13:55]	:	LOL @ me? :-O
[13:55]	:	for the lovely jellol
[13:55]	:	Aha!
[13:55]	:	I gotta say though, Abby on NCIS, is one of my fav charecters.
[13:55]	:	lol
[13:55]	:	Abby is hawt.
[13:55]	:	A lifelike replica if ever there was.
[13:55]	:	I agree Torley!
[13:55]	:	I can appreciate Abby's enthusiasm.
[13:55]	:	^_^
[13:55]	:	abby looks great indeed!
[13:55]	:	I've seen a few Abby lookalikes in SL...
[13:55]	:	Abby reminds me of you, Torley.
[13:55]	:	abby is awesome
[13:55]	:	So, wer'e going to have a wiki article on.... actors accents? :D
[13:56]	:	although odd XD
[13:56]	:	Awe.
[13:56]	:	(That's a joke, folks... I'm just being silly)
[13:56]	:	same for me torley, love her character in the movie, and she looks just great, specially in that halloween episode :p
[13:56]	:	She's so energetic, and so emotionally filled (if that's the word I;m looking for)
[13:56]	:	I'm*
[13:56]	:	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Category:Accents
[13:56]	:	Will have to go.... unfortunatelly... take care everyone... *muah* - byes...
[13:56]	:	Nathan, well while we can't include all the specifics you requested, I'm certainly going to blog about covenants in general soon and put a call out for tips from successful estate owners and such. It'll show up on http://secondlife.com/tnt =)
[13:57]	:	Take care Niky!
[13:57]	:	XD jeremy why the random jello tho.....although i guess its better than being stuck in a cage
[13:57]	 	has pinged you.
[13:57]	:	3.2.1.poof
[13:57]	:	Can't wait for that article Torley. :D
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[13:57]	:	heh
[13:57]	:	Aha, Reaper... That's what Jon Linden looks like!
[13:57]	:	I still think they ate Jon
[13:57]	:	It's related to http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/SLetiquette which we can't endorse.
[13:57]	:	LOL
[13:57]	:	But various people have best practices!
[13:58]	:	you should endorse emerald :P
[13:58]	:	Reaper Batista runs
[13:58]	:	Torley: Fine my me, just as long as some stuff in there about treating vistirors failrly, I'm happy. :D
[13:58]	:	Emerald? Don't the Lindens all use Restrained Life Viewer?
[13:58]	:	no
[13:58]	:	Arawn, HOW DID YOU KNOW.
[13:59]	:	O_O
[13:59]	:	oO
[13:59]	:	J/K.
[13:59]	:	they all use the newbie viewer
[13:59]	:	the one that gets 10FPS?
[13:59]	:	I figure most Lindens probably use the SL viewer
[13:59]	:	lol
[13:59]	:	XD JK JK
[13:59]	:	I've used most of the 3rd-party ones.
[13:59]	:	yeah but I have to say Emerald is the best
[13:59]	:	Sahkolihaa Contepomi uses Open Metaverse Viewer.
[13:59]	:	Arawn Spitteler's been to Vineland at noon on Thursdays
[13:59]	:	It does wonders on four cores
[13:59]	:	i honestly prefer snowglobe
[13:59]	:	I've heard it SAID that there might even be some sort of unwritten company policy that they do.... but... who knows...
[13:59]	:	Linden Lab's 3rd-Party Viewer Registry is still in the works, exciting stuff, so stay tuned... :)
[14:00]	:	i see kate typing, but i dont see her txt appear
[14:00]	:	Emerald crashes more than the Linden one for me... i just like the forced ground sit
[14:00]	:	lol
[14:00]	:	But now I must go to a meeting, alas!
[14:00]	:	awwwww
[14:00]	:	See you Torley. :P
[14:00]	:	It's been good hanging out with y'all, thanks for being with Doc Team. ^_^
[14:00]	:	I think it's called, "Eating your own Dog Food."
 
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