Adult Content User Group/06/13/2011

==Attendees List==
*Amanda Linden (amanda.linden)
*Athy (athy)
*Couldbe (couldbe)
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*Ginette Pinazzo (ginette.pinazzo)
*Gothica Actor (gothica.actor)
*Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
*Hypatia Meili (hypatia.meili)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*Janicka Engineer (janicka.engineer)
*Liisa Runo (liisa.runo)
*Qie (qie)
*Rayna (rayna)
*Sissy Blitz (sissy.blitz)
*Vick Forcella (vick.forcella)
*Zacklee Devin (zacklee.devin)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
==Transcript for Monday June 13, 2011==
[10:56]	Zada Bury 	back
[10:56]	Zada Bury 	Heya Amanda.
[10:56]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Hi Amanda
[10:56]	Amanda Linden 	hey all
[10:56]	Amanda Linden 	Amanda Linden waves
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[10:56]	Zacklee Devin 	Hello
[10:56]	Zada Bury 	Have work at the weekend?
[10:57]	Counter Landfall 	Hi Amanda
[10:57]	Amanda Linden 	me?
[10:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Amanda, see if you can which chair the cahirperson gets! haha
[10:57]	Zada Bury 	*nods*
[10:57]	Amanda Linden 	ha
[10:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	*can guess
[10:57]	Zada Bury 	Or was party-time
[10:57]	Amanda Linden 	yep, i worked yesterday for about 5 - 6 hours.
[10:57]	Amanda Linden 	but, relaxed otherwise. :)
[10:57]	Counter Landfall 	Hi CouldBe
[10:58]	Amanda Linden 	welcome everyone!
[10:58]	Counter Landfall 	thx
[10:58]	Amanda Linden 	the agenda is here...
[10:58]	Amanda Linden 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_User_Group
[10:58]	Zada Bury 	*~~silencepurr~~*
[10:58]	Ginette Pinazzo 	any new faces?
[10:59]	Amanda Linden 	we'll get started in a min or two....
[10:59]	Zada Bury 	Some are usually late ^.^
[10:59]	Amanda Linden 	np. )
[11:00]	Amanda Linden 	we'll wait another min.
[11:00]	Zada Bury 	can we fill the agenda by self or can only you do it, btw?
[11:00]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ah,,,all old faces? haha
[11:00]	Amanda Linden 	Amanda Linden sips tea
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[11:00]	Amanda Linden 	you can add items, etc.
[11:00]	Amanda Linden 	just login and click on the edit tab...
[11:01]	Amanda Linden 	you're good dancer. :)
[11:01]	Zada Bury 	Gooood. I've thougt for me, you get 1 week cub-protection.
[11:01]	Amanda Linden 	ha.
[11:01]	Amanda Linden 	ok, think we can get started.
[11:01]	Amanda Linden 	but before we dive into the agenda, as the chair, i would like to say a few words....
[11:01]	Amanda Linden 	cool?
[11:01]	Ginette Pinazzo 	fab
[11:01]	Amanda Linden 	ossm.
[11:02]	Zada Bury 	Sure, fine.
[11:02]	Zacklee Devin 	Yar !
[11:02]	Amanda Linden 	ok first of all i really enjoyed our meeting last week and very excited about all of the good things the adult community is cooking up.
[11:02]	Innula Zenovka 	HI, Athy
[11:02]	Athy 	Hello Innula
[11:02]	Amanda Linden 	i think that--by working together--we can do even more and grow this community--financially for everyone and in numbers.
[11:03]	Janicka Engineer 	hello Amanda
[11:03]	Janicka Engineer 	hello all
[11:03]	Amanda Linden 	i'm here to help you guysdo that and i'm now your main LL point of contact.
[11:03]	Zada Bury 	Zada Bury gasps. "Janicka ... dressed ... o, wait, not complete."
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[11:03]	Amanda Linden 	that said, this meeting is for all of us to put aside personal agendas and think about broad needs that the adult community has.
[11:03]	Amanda Linden 	i appreciate that you all have different communities, but this is where we come together as one.
[11:04]	Amanda Linden 	no drama, no backbiting. but a productive, fun conversation about how we can all work together for the common good.
[11:04]	Amanda Linden 	everyone ok with that?
[11:04]	Zacklee Devin 	well said
[11:04]	Amanda Linden 	issues? questions?
[11:04]	Ginette Pinazzo 	wonderful
[11:04]	Counter Landfall 	sounds good to mw
[11:04]	Counter Landfall 	me*
[11:04]	Zada Bury 	Sounds great.
[11:04]	Amanda Linden 	great!!!
[11:04]	Hypatia Meili 	yes
[11:04]	Amanda Linden 	me too!
[11:05]	Amanda Linden 	ok, with that, let's dive in.
[11:05]	Amanda Linden 	first, welcoming committee. who's new to this meeting?
[11:05]	Amanda Linden 	any one wnat to introduce themselves?
[11:05]	Amanda Linden 	go for it!
[11:05]	Zacklee Devin 	im new here no issues no ? just wide eyed comedian learning about your comunties
[11:05]	Amanda Linden 	great zacklee, welcome!
[11:06]	Zacklee Devin 	TY
[11:06]	Amanda Linden 	any one else?
[11:06]	Athy 	I guess I'm old-new. I slip in every few months and listen in.
[11:06]	Janicka Engineer 	I have one question amanda
[11:06]	Amanda Linden 	sure thing janicak and welcome athy
[11:06]	Amanda Linden 	janicka, sorry.
[11:06]	Janicka Engineer 	I would like ask you about group of Zindra Vortex
[11:06]	Amanda Linden 	Amanda Linden thinks i picked the wrong time to give up coffee.
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[11:06]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(has more coffee)
[11:06]	Amanda Linden 	wel, i'm just getting up to speed myself....
[11:07]	Amanda Linden 	someone here from zindra vortex to answer janicka's question?
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili 	Blondin is stil owner
[11:07]	Janicka Engineer 	yes I am
[11:07]	Janicka Engineer 	:)
[11:07]	Amanda Linden 	ah
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we can address that but maybe later in agenda?
[11:07]	Amanda Linden 	ok, so he owns the zindra vortex land?
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili 	group owner
[11:07]	Amanda Linden 	ah, ok. let's talk offline.
[11:07]	Amanda Linden 	thanks!
[11:08]	Amanda Linden 	ok, next up, zindra expo (zexpo)
[11:08]	Hypatia Meili 	that also goes for Zindra expo group
[11:08]	Amanda Linden 	any updates from gina?
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes
[11:08]	Amanda Linden 	kk, hypatia.
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(updates are required on island events)...
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo 	https://sites.google.com/site/zexpo2011/home
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo 	First, quick mention: I am happy so many are getting involved in ZEXPO, and I hope (in the spirit of cooperation) more and more of you do. This will be a delightfully grand experiment and I hope everyone with positive contributions can take part......
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	5 small items..
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	1. Pre-Parties...
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Heaven Lacey has joined the team as our Pre-Party Committee and will help coordinate those parties. Throughout the 2 weeks leading up to ZEXPO's opening, many exhibitors will host Pre-Parties at their own locations (own sims) to cross-promote. ......
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo 	This helps the exhibitor's place and helps ZEXPO,, and it is a great way to build extra interest just before the show. Plus, exhibitors who agree to have a Pre-Party earn extra floorspace at the show...........
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo 	questions abt pre-parties or Heaven?
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ok.....2. Vehicles....
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo 	We will have enough vehicle options for attendees that I will make a special section in the guidebook and website for them. So far we have a blimp, boats, horses, unicycles, the Floats themselves which are rideable, and maybe little cars. Some options will be free, others rented, maybe to buy......Lots of ways to 'tour' the island. ......
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo 	3. The Gag.....
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	One of the exhibitors, Z&A Productions has created an amusing twist on a ZEXPO sign for us to give away. It's a wearable gag that promotes the show. I'll be passing that out in the group soon......
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Thanks to Antony Fairport and Vila Pixelmaid of Z&A Productions for contributing this.......(if anyone wants to model this gag, just ask me).......
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(looks around for model)
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	4. Business Networking.......
[11:12]	Zacklee Devin 	ew ew ew pick me mr kotter
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(passes gag to Zack)
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo 	One of the best opportunities with a show like this comes from the fact you have many SL businesses gathered in one place. Because of this, I am going to try to make the entire week leading up the show's opening a special Business Networking week, so the showgrounds will have some type of activities that promote inter-business connections. (industry mixers, business card-trading parties, a business networking center?).
[11:13]	Amanda Linden 	when is the show ginette?
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo 	The idea is that the exhibitors should really meet each other, connect, share, and find ways to work together. This is a fantastic opportunity and can help promote business growth on Zindra and beyond. I am looking for a person (please volunteer!) to help design programs for this.......so please contact me if Business Networking is your expertise or passion...... AUG 26 Amanda
[11:13]	Amanda Linden 	kk, ty
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo 	any questionsm about the Business Netwroking side of things?
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ok........
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	5. Finally, Comedy.......
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	One of our exhibitors is comedian Zacklee Devin, who I feel will add a lot to the show, plus he runs a group called Laugh Limo, which connects us to many of SL's comedians. Connections like this are invaluable and brings us many new people and ideas........
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I also like Zacklee because I am personally on a mission to find a man that can make me laugh.......Zacklee is my quick guest of the day..........
[11:15]	Zacklee Devin 	aw
[11:15]	Zacklee Devin 	and hes better on voice so bear with me
[11:15]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(report FIN)
[11:15]	Amanda Linden 	:) great update!
[11:15]	Amanda Linden 	thanks ginette & welcome again zacklee.
[11:15]	Amanda Linden 	woot!
[11:15]	Amanda Linden 	checking out the zexpo site--looks ossm.
[11:16]	Amanda Linden 	ok, next is the wiki for new residents.
[11:16]	Ginette Pinazzo 	feel free to heckle the comedian even before he makes any jokes
[11:16]	Amanda Linden 	good news on this one. i just had a meeting on this topic earlier today and it's been escalated. the team is currently scoping the work and i should have an ETA by next week.
[11:16]	Amanda Linden 	but the right folks are on it.
[11:16]	Zada Bury 	Sounds good.
[11:17]	Amanda Linden 	and it's being handled. :)
[11:17]	Amanda Linden 	question?
[11:17]	Amanda Linden 	s
[11:17]	Hypatia Meili 	it real neds 2 basic things
[11:17]	Zacklee Devin 	nerds*?
[11:17]	Hypatia Meili 	instrctionon how to log in & make it cas insensative
[11:17]	Zacklee Devin 	needs?
[11:17]	Hypatia Meili 	case
[11:17]	Hypatia Meili 	yes
[11:17]	Amanda Linden 	yes...
[11:17]	Amanda Linden 	well, the bigger issue is that it should just work.
[11:18]	Amanda Linden 	with single sign on using open id (similar to the lithium platform)
[11:18]	Amanda Linden 	so, we're gonna fix it the right way.
[11:18]	Innula Zenovka 	but until the bigger issue is fixed, why not publicise the work-round?
[11:18]	Amanda Linden 	looks like it could get fixed soon--but don't want to make promises.
[11:18]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[11:18]	Zada Bury 	It works, if the people type right. ^.^
[11:18]	Amanda Linden 	true true. if i don't have an eta by next week that is reasonable, then we'll do the work around.
[11:19]	Counter Landfall 	so it just needs an additional line of explanatory text
[11:19]	Hypatia Meili 	Hypatia Meili cant type right :p
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[11:19]	Zacklee Devin 	wud wrung der tuping lock fin to me
[11:19]	Amanda Linden 	understood. but it's not my call....
[11:19]	Amanda Linden 	so, one more week and maybe it will even be fixed. :)
[11:19]	Amanda Linden 	ok, age verification vid.
[11:19]	Amanda Linden 	we took it down.
[11:20]	Counter Landfall 	we will hold it to you ;-)
[11:20]	Amanda Linden 	you're right. it's wrong and shouldn't have been up there.
[11:20]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks..
[11:20]	Amanda Linden 	so, we took it down and we need to make sure that the knowledge base articles are correct.
[11:20]	Amanda Linden 	so, take a look at both of htem that i linked in the agenda and make sure....
[11:20]	Amanda Linden 	you all are the best folks to QA our work. :)
[11:20]	Amanda Linden 	if you see inaccuracies, then email me at amanda@lindenlab.com and i'll make sure that the articles are updated/fixed.
[11:21]	Innula Zenovka 	will do
[11:21]	Amanda Linden 	fab. and thanks for flagging this for us.
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	thanks
[11:21]	Amanda Linden 	sure thing.
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	we are ever-vigilant..haha
[11:21]	Amanda Linden 	ok, next is gina with vortex tweaks, unless there are any questions for me....
[11:21]	Amanda Linden 	love it!
[11:21]	Amanda Linden 	need extra eagle eyes--for sure.
[11:21]	Couldbe 	I have a couple that are AOB
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ok...
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo 	BBQBill is still on vacation. He asked me just to ask you, Amanda, if you received his brief message about the few glitches at the Vortex and if there is any movement on that. Those are a few techy glitches that need to be fixed before we can move on with the rest of the Vortex development (which isn't too much in total). The items such as Janicka mentioned are critical, though we need to fix these glitches asap.
[11:22]	Couldbe 	do you want to do them now or after
[11:22]	Amanda Linden 	um, lemme see--last week was nuts.
[11:22]	Amanda Linden 	i'll look for his email after this meeting and get on it.
[11:22]	Ginette Pinazzo 	if you cant find it, I have a CC
[11:22]	Amanda Linden 	:) sorry. a few emails seemed to have slipped through the cracks.
[11:22]	Amanda Linden 	ok, cool.
[11:23]	Amanda Linden 	yep, and fixing the groups issue is easy peasy.
[11:23]	Ginette Pinazzo 	bascially, the autoreturn doesnt always work, and abilities of the staff dont always work
[11:23]	Amanda Linden 	but i would like to better understand what my responsibilities would be as I can't guarantee that i can be as hands on as blondin was.
[11:23]	Amanda Linden 	in fact, i knwo that i can.t
[11:23]	Janicka Engineer 	and we have also in last time troubles with griefers
[11:23]	Amanda Linden 	as much as the commnunity can manage independently....
[11:24]	Hypatia Meili 	ablities wil depend on group and land setings
[11:24]	Amanda Linden 	gosh, whatever you can do on your end would be great and then i can just be here for support.
[11:24]	Amanda Linden 	ok, let's set up a sep meeting to discuss vortex. need to understand more.
[11:24]	Amanda Linden 	zap me some times when you're avail.
[11:24]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Amanda, Ill get the CC for you...and then, later......1v1 so you know where the development styands
[11:24]	Zacklee Devin 	Amanda....I love your use.....of...well....dots...
[11:24]	Amanda Linden 	later in teh week--thurs and fri is pretty open.
[11:24]	Amanda Linden 	thank you...zacklee.
[11:24]	Amanda Linden 	haha
[11:25]	Amanda Linden 	cool?
[11:25]	Ginette Pinazzo 	fab
[11:25]	Amanda Linden 	fab back at ya!
[11:25]	Zada Bury 	It looks familiar like me ... I doings also often. ^.^
[11:25]	Amanda Linden 	ok, and the next item is catch up stuff for me.
[11:25]	Amanda Linden 	that i need to read. :)
[11:26]	Amanda Linden 	ginette is handing out homework assignments. :)
[11:26]	Zada Bury 	Was poked by someone ... *whistles*
[11:26]	Amanda Linden 	will look at this stuff this week and note in the comments when i have.
[11:26]	Counter Landfall 	Amanda, I just wanted to make sure you got the meo from ZA last week?
[11:26]	Ginette Pinazzo 	well....spoem of it repetateive....but its good to refersh...plus i strung many thinsg together in one narrative so it shoudl be interesting
[11:26]	Counter Landfall 	memo*
[11:26]	Amanda Linden 	yes counter, i did.
[11:26]	Counter Landfall 	good
[11:26]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[11:27]	Amanda Linden 	i understand where folks are coming from--got several notes.
[11:27]	Amanda Linden 	the thing is--we're all here as one team.
[11:27]	Counter Landfall 	it is probably better to first discuss in a ZA meeting woith the group
[11:27]	Amanda Linden 	kk
[11:27]	Ginette Pinazzo 	ok..here is yoru Catch Up, Amandfa.....get ready to copy
[11:27]	Amanda Linden 	not gonna get into it.
[11:27]	Amanda Linden 	kk, ginette go for it
[11:27]	Ginette Pinazzo 	this covers, bascially....Zindra Sim / Promenade / Photo Event
[11:27]	Ginette Pinazzo 	A story in 8 segments:......
[11:28]	Ginette Pinazzo 	1. First, realize there is a region on the mainland of Zindra CALLED Zindra. This 'Zindra sim' has been a real marketing nightmare and its been a hot topic here. People search Zindra on the map and think that sim is all of it. I've spoken to many (not newbies either) who think Zindra is a tiny no-traffic sim and dont know anymore than that.
[11:28]	Ginette Pinazzo 	2. Directly after ZEXPO 2010 ended (last April) the producer of that show went on to propose she move her ZEXPO content (a stage and other elements) onto the Zindra sim to create a large continuing marketing effort that would inhabit that sim. ......
[11:29]	Ginette Pinazzo 	The plan was refused by almost all of this community for a few reasons: ....
[11:29]	Ginette Pinazzo 	a) it was an obvious move to continue the same abuse of LL land that person had done at ZEXPO 2010, and would not be a neutral, fair space as a result. .......
[11:29]	Ginette Pinazzo 	b) the plan may have looked pretty, (there were some nice designs) but it was all surface: it didnt indicate how the program would be managed, how it was sustainable, or even do-able........
[11:29]	Counter Landfall 	Ginette, please
[11:29]	Counter Landfall 	do not rewrite histiry
[11:29]	Ginette Pinazzo 	c) because of the Zindra name issue, I argued (and many agreed, including Blondin) that NO marketing materials should exist there yet, and that the space should remain a civic, informational-only space as long as the name problem existed and as long as we still lacked a system to actually run such a program........
[11:30]	Ginette Pinazzo 	countre, let me finish...there are records for all of this....
[11:30]	Counter Landfall 	indeed
[11:30]	Ginette Pinazzo 	3. With this decision, Blondin then did 2 things:
[11:30]	Counter Landfall 	and they are not like your story :-)
[11:30]	Ginette Pinazzo 	a) He asked me to develop a version of the already in-use ZEXPO Island Seasonal Events Campaign (that he himself helped write, by the way) that would work for smaller, more frequent events at the Zindra Sim. (if we ever did have events there)
[11:31]	Ginette Pinazzo 	This was going to be much more complicated than a 4-large-events-in-one-year plan, and I knew that, so there was no rush to develop it. I spent a LONG time writing a proposal that would be fair, neutral and most of all, do-able! (because getting 4 large events approved by LL a year is actually much simpler than getting a continuous stream of smaller events approved.....a lot more to it) I consulted with many to get a good proposal.'
[11:31]	Ginette Pinazzo 	the 2nd thing Blondin did...
[11:31]	Ginette Pinazzo 	b) Blondin also worked with us to develop some basic informational content to put at the Zindra Sim. A touchable map (thanks to Qie) and notecard givers at a forced landing point. Yes, its not fancy but it does help with those people who TP in not realizing they are on an entire continent called Zindra.
[11:32]	Couldbe 	quick, call the fire dept!! we have a burning martyr!!
[11:32]	Ginette Pinazzo 	4.As I worked on the proposal for the smaller/medium events, it occurred to me there is something basic that MUST be done FIRST before I even think to propose it. Whether or not Zindra Sim ever gets marketing material, this issue must come first:
[11:32]	Zacklee Devin 	smoking hot avatars also tho
[11:32]	Ginette Pinazzo 	what does that mena coulbe?
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo 	https://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-sim-name-change
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo 	In short, the sim needs a name change. We discussed various options (Zindra Gateway, etc), keeping 'Zindra' in there for search reasons, but making it more specific so people don't get confused with the actual mainland's name. You must realize, putting any marketing materials there or events would be a real abuse of LL land because people go there as a point of first contact when they search Zindra mainland. They shoudnt be seeing any form of advertising. (believe me, I love commercial Marketing, but I know where it belongs and doesnt belong)
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Blondin approved the name-change concept, but no name was chosen yet.
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo 	......
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo 	5. We proposed something called the Four Corners of Zindra, which is a big-picture plan containing most of the many things discussed over the past year in one organized package, Blondin approves this plan 100% (I know because we asked him many times over).
[11:33]	Sissy Blitz 	I tried to get involved in Community Events but you removed all my things Ginette and then bullied me I feel I can not participate in any events you hold because of Conflict of interest
[11:33]	Sissy Blitz 	Good day all
[11:34]	Counter Landfall 	that was your plan mostly
[11:34]	Amanda Linden 	sissy, no backbiting or drama.
[11:34]	Counter Landfall 	and the community did not want the name changhe
[11:34]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Amanda..I will stop right now. Im not goingt o tolerate lies against myu character in public anymore
[11:34]	Amanda Linden 	that goes for everyone.
[11:34]	Counter Landfall 	we did the name change of that sim a year before
[11:34]	Counter Landfall 	before anone had seen traces of you
[11:34]	Amanda Linden 	ok, counter, want to share more? your turn
[11:34]	Counter Landfall 	besides the materail there is pathetic
[11:34]	Vick Forcella 	Greetings, all still alive?
[11:35]	Zada Bury 	We have talk about the Name change, but it was "on hold" still, if I remember right.
[11:35]	Ginette Pinazzo 	thats it. I have seen chacaretr defamation against me from counter already this week. i dotn need to heart it here
[11:35]	Counter Landfall 	a a handout to age verify
[11:35]	Counter Landfall 	well do, to get there you ahve to be age verified
[11:35]	Couldbe 	we did the name change originally because the original zindra sim was out in the ocean
[11:35]	Counter Landfall 	and the link to zexpo
[11:35]	Couldbe 	why is this coming up again??
[11:36]	Amanda Linden 	ok, lemme see if i understand....
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo 	if you think is acceptable to insult in public...at meetings...then I have no place at table with your likes...
[11:36]	Counter Landfall 	mostly becase some individuals feel they need to run Zindra
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo 	counter, couldbe..you want to derail this?
[11:36]	Amanda Linden 	ok, there is an area called zindra in zindra continent. no marketing.
[11:36]	Counter Landfall 	no, we dont want the name change
[11:36]	Amanda Linden 	just a first landing spot.
[11:36]	Vick Forcella 	Ginette, Counter.. Time out
[11:36]	Amanda Linden 	guys, stop.
[11:36]	Counter Landfall 	we discussed this in 2009
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I am trying to catch Amanda on big stuff....this is intense...stop adding confusion..wait until AFTER
[11:37]	Amanda Linden 	let me see if i understad.
[11:37]	Amanda Linden 	everyone, take a deep breath.
[11:37]	Amanda Linden 	i guess my question is this.
[11:37]	Counter Landfall 	and ww said last time this was discussed that ZA as a group dont want it to change
[11:37]	Amanda Linden 	what do you need from me on this topic?
[11:37]	Amanda Linden 	it sounds like it's background, but there isn't an ask...
[11:37]	Couldbe 	yes. and the reason we have a region called zindra is that when people search using the map there's not way to find continents so we have a region to get people to us
[11:37]	Couldbe 	simple
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Amnada...allwe need is for you to digets the story.,..then onjce youve got it, peoepl can say whatever...
[11:37]	Counter Landfall 	exactly Couldbe
[11:38]	Couldbe 	we had people landind in the ocean when it was originally set up. now at least they land on land
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	they are wroing Amada....
[11:38]	Counter Landfall 	Qie here delivered a proposal for the sim a few meetings ago
[11:38]	Hypatia Meili 	How about a simple sign at LP text over a map, at leas till other isues are resolved
[11:38]	Couldbe 	now can we *PLEASE* put this one to bed again
[11:38]	Zada Bury 	We have on "Zindra" (continent) the "Zindra" (Sim). Our idea is: Peaople hear about "Zindra, adult land", want TP there and landing "somewhere". We wanted it to use as kind of advertise.
[11:38]	Counter Landfall 	which is ammuch better startign point for a discussion about the Zindra sim
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo 	it WAS put to bed, and Blondin agreed with what i am saying....stop revising
[11:38]	Qie 	just to explain a bit more about the Zindra sim. Molly's build there is mostly complete, but it was designed for a Luna Oaks-like lotteried vendor space. So... eventually, *something* needs to change, unless we revert to that lottery plan again.
[11:38]	Janicka Engineer 	couner I watch Zindra ocean every day on map and I dont see too much avatars here
[11:39]	Counter Landfall 	Blodin is unfortunately not here more Ginette
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Amanda.....undertsand these peoepl woitn let my presentation finish, and have derailed this topic
[11:39]	Amanda Linden 	ok, gues what.
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes Counter...anmd you are exploting the situation of his departure
[11:39]	Amanda Linden 	you guys need to stop.
[11:39]	Amanda Linden 	this is not productive.
[11:39]	Huntress Catteneo	I think all shoulfd be quiet except Amanda right at this moment
[11:39]	Amanda Linden 	thanks huntress
[11:39]	Counter Landfall 	what is not productive Amandfa is that Ginette will not let anyone but herself have any say in Zindra
[11:39]	Janicka Engineer 	I really dont understand what counter is taget
[11:40]	Amanda Linden 	i'm here to understand your needs now--backstory is nice, but not something that is necessarily good for a group meeting.
[11:40]	Janicka Engineer 	target
[11:40]	Zada Bury 	http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-fighting-cats-constructive-feedback.jpg
[11:40]	Amanda Linden 	i'm happy to read backgounds--outside of htis meeting (which was my plan)
[11:40]	Amanda Linden 	unless there is a change/ask that the gropu needs to discuss....
[11:40]	Amanda Linden 	then i iwll move on.
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I can jump to the acton itesm...there are bascially 3
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo 	but they wont make much sense without the background
[11:41]	Amanda Linden 	ok....
[11:41]	Amanda Linden 	what are the action items? or items to discuss as a group?
[11:41]	Ginette Pinazzo 	....We have a Promenade to talk about, thats an integral (but certainly complex) part of the Four Corners. I am hoping we can do a 1v1 and really play catch up on that.
[11:41]	Vick Forcella 	Vick Forcella leaves
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[11:41]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(the Four Corners of Zindra is an overall initiatve agreed upon months ago)
[11:41]	Amanda Linden 	ok, ginette...
[11:42]	Amanda Linden 	and this goes for everyone... because this is impt.
[11:42]	Vick Forcella 	Bye all. seen enough :)
[11:42]	Counter Landfall 	Cheers Vick
[11:42]	Amanda Linden 	i am here to help you guys solve issues and grow your communities.
[11:42]	Janicka Engineer 	bye vick
[11:42]	Amanda Linden 	i cannot be hands on like blondin was.
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	.....We have a Photo Event to talk about (a good next step would literally be setting up a 1v1 with Sabra and Amanda so the new series can be previewed. I think that would be inspirational))
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo 	(Sabra Hemingway...our featured Zindra photographer this season)
[11:42]	Amanda Linden 	you guys need to run your own communities and this is an opportunity to meet up to discuss larger issues that effect everyone and how LL can help/support your work.
[11:43]	Counter Landfall 	Agreed Amanda
[11:43]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I know you cannto be hands-on Amanda. I apprecaiet that. But its important you know what the picture is before doing any one task, no?
[11:43]	Amanda Linden 	unfortunately, i just cannot get into the details of your sims....
[11:43]	Amanda Linden 	ok...
[11:43]	Counter Landfall 	but with the setup of the Zexpo group Ginette thinks she represents the community
[11:43]	Amanda Linden 	so what can the Lab help you with?
[11:43]	Counter Landfall 	while it is in fact a Linden group
[11:44]	Amanda Linden 	i think that's something that is worth discussing....
[11:44]	Janicka Engineer 	I thing that first importnant thing is finish of Zindra mentors team
[11:44]	Amanda Linden 	I cannot run the Zexpo.
[11:44]	Amanda Linden 	i'll make a mess of it.
[11:44]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[11:44]	Counter Landfall 	and do you by policy run community groups?
[11:44]	Amanda Linden 	it's much better in your collective hands.
[11:44]	Ginette Pinazzo 	stop it counter...there are not only rtwo tyoes of groups in the world
[11:45]	Amanda Linden 	we do not run community groups...but support importnat groups in the community.
[11:45]	Counter Landfall 	I am asking Amanda of their policy for community groups
[11:45]	Hypatia Meili 	the problem cam down to nobody could even agree on who would over see the process on pickin who chairs any such meetings
[11:45]	Amanda Linden 	we do run small user groups to help us get feedback on the product.
[11:45]	Counter Landfall 	thanks Amanda
[11:45]	Ginette Pinazzo 	and zexpo group is waht it is......an efefctive group that connects with LL
[11:45]	Amanda Linden 	but when it comes to the community groups--they are run by the community and we'r ehere to help.
[11:45]	Zada Bury 	That was in the past, mostly. The "ZEXPO-Group" was the group to "rule" the event-island (the 4 sims).
[11:45]	Counter Landfall 	then the zexpo group needs to be run as an event grooup only
[11:46]	Amanda Linden 	yes.
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo 	no counter...that is YOUR asserion
[11:46]	Amanda Linden 	LL cannot run the group.
[11:46]	Amanda Linden 	it's true ginette.
[11:46]	Amanda Linden 	i cannot run groups and it's much better in your hands (as a group)
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo 	well its an LL owned group, at the very least
[11:46]	Amanda Linden 	that's easy enough to change.
[11:46]	Amanda Linden 	and it will need to
[11:46]	Counter Landfall 	what is this hangup on LL groups Ginette?
[11:46]	Rayna 	rotate -- like the UN
[11:46]	Hypatia Meili 	wait! does tha mean we can not share news though it on Zindra issues. the groupcontains many zindrans
[11:47]	Ginette Pinazzo 	no hangup counter..youve bene hungup trying to stop everything we do
[11:47]	Amanda Linden 	of course you can.
[11:47]	Amanda Linden 	but LL will not be the group leader.
[11:47]	Counter Landfall 	I am glad to hear that Amanda
[11:47]	Counter Landfall 	then we can get back to building community
[11:47]	Hypatia Meili 	well thats counter issue he want , he want allchat notices etc tobe only abot zexpo period
[11:47]	Amanda Linden 	ok, am i making sense.
[11:47]	Hypatia Meili 	asa rule
[11:47]	Amanda Linden 	yes, it's your community, not LL's
[11:47]	Qie 	well...
[11:47]	Counter Landfall 	great
[11:48]	Ginette Pinazzo 	you might be making sense! I hope so
[11:48]	Amanda Linden 	in fact, that may be a reason why you might have been feeling stifled.
[11:48]	Amanda Linden 	you own it.
[11:48]	Amanda Linden 	not us
[11:48]	Amanda Linden 	take it and fly!
[11:48]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[11:48]	Counter Landfall 	It is Amanda
[11:48]	Qie 	the problem may be that the ZEXPO and other sims belong to LL... so... some concern about LL retaining oversight of events / content on those sims.
[11:48]	Counter Landfall 	it has been impossible to compete with free sims and whatnot
[11:48]	Amanda Linden 	well, the sims being LL means that we pay for them.
[11:48]	Amanda Linden 	that's all.
[11:48]	Janicka Engineer 	Amanda I have one idea
[11:48]	Amanda Linden 	sure
[11:49]	Amanda Linden 	and all continents are LL (fyi)
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo 	you asked to mhave events on those samer 'free sim's counter.....dotn even try it
[11:49]	Janicka Engineer 	I wozld like change owner of Zindra Expo on new owner
[11:49]	Janicka Engineer 	on Ginette
[11:49]	Janicka Engineer 	it is possible?
[11:49]	Amanda Linden 	i suppose that it's up for a vote.
[11:49]	Amanda Linden 	it's up to you all, not me.
[11:49]	Zacklee Devin 	make the new owner draw a sword from a stone or something....
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo 	how would that affect the fact the sims (vortex., islamnd etc) are LL-owned lands? implications?
[11:49]	Janicka Engineer 	that can neutralizied this stupid war
[11:49]	Counter Landfall 	if anythign make multple owners
[11:50]	Amanda Linden 	i can look into those details ginette.
[11:50]	Hypatia Meili 	you need to udersatnd all permision issues
[11:50]	Hypatia Meili 	amanda
[11:50]	Amanda Linden 	that stuff is easy to work out....
[11:50]	Ginette Pinazzo 	and in the midts of projects (liek ZEXPO etc) is it safe to even mnake such a change?
[11:50]	Counter Landfall 	that is rather useful in group setups
[11:50]	Hypatia Meili 	or it wil ciple land use
[11:50]	Hypatia Meili 	cripple
[11:50]	Amanda Linden 	well, i'm sure you guys will teach me what i don't know. :)
[11:50]	Amanda Linden 	i gatehr this group isn't shy. :)
[11:50]	Amanda Linden 	(why i like you guys!)
[11:50]	Counter Landfall 	it will not make any change to the land use as long as it is set to the group
[11:51]	Counter Landfall 	LL can reclaim the land at any tike if the need to
[11:51]	Huntress Catteneo	owner of actual chat/announcement group needs to be nuetral, hard call here atm
[11:51]	Amanda Linden 	the other thing is that Ll can own the land and then there can be estate managers who have permissions, etc.
[11:51]	Amanda Linden 	right?
[11:51]	Counter Landfall 	yes
[11:51]	Amanda Linden 	exactly.
[11:51]	Zada Bury 	On mainland?
[11:51]	Qie 	ummm... but the Mainland is all one estate, afaik
[11:51]	Counter Landfall 	of course
[11:51]	Amanda Linden 	ok, is there a neutral person that you all trust has the best interest of all groups?
[11:52]	Zada Bury 	Agree to Qie.
[11:52]	Couldbe 	If it's a LL group then only LL should be sending announcements - the expo group has been prone to spam announcements in the past and it's best to block access to all
[11:52]	Counter Landfall 	it is jsut a configuration issue in the sim
[11:52]	Amanda Linden 	someone natural? if not, i can set up a poll
[11:52]	Amanda Linden 	or a survey.
[11:52]	Couldbe 	ah yes, because they're never gamed
[11:52]	Ginette Pinazzo 	Amanda...you might want t6o meditate on it..because the orif=ginal intent was to have a LL-owend groupo because of 'netrality'...so indiviuudual resident-run groups didhnt abuse LL resources.....just a point to remember back in the mind
[11:52]	Amanda Linden 	coudlbe--i cannot own the group.
[11:52]	Hypatia Meili 	that was the intiual problem Blondin never set up poll
[11:52]	Amanda Linden 	well, that means that you guys have to choose someone that you trust.
[11:53]	Counter Landfall 	as I said, have 3 owners perhaps
[11:53]	Zada Bury 	Maybe thing a week about, also about the technical backgrounds.
[11:53]	Hypatia Meili 	so no one could decide who would deceide
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	teh group will need , out of neccsity to have central, communication...that includes nOtuices
[11:53]	Counter Landfall 	with fiar representation in the community
[11:53]	Huntress Catteneo	I doubt there will be someone all trust sadly
[11:53]	Couldbe 	why not? It's your group, your land and for notices the number that should be sent should mean you shouldn't have to spend more than 10 minutes a week on a busy week
[11:53]	Counter Landfall 	fair*
[11:53]	Amanda Linden 	what do you say?
[11:53]	Amanda Linden 	who will be fair to everyone?
[11:53]	Huntress Catteneo	this rift from what I know it a long run one
[11:53]	Amanda Linden 	someone who knows the personalities and will passionately represent all.
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo 	this rift is not an even splitt eitehr
[11:54]	Amanda Linden 	well, ginette/counter...
[11:54]	Amanda Linden 	i may get you both together sep. and work this thing out.
[11:54]	Zacklee Devin 	puts in his nun outfitt and tryies to look Fair ( aw they'll never fall for it)
[11:54]	Ginette Pinazzo 	as it satnbds now, ZE is a very highlya ctive and dynamic group
[11:54]	Amanda Linden 	it's holding both of your groups back.
[11:54]	Zada Bury 	I think the most here are associated with someone other ... so ... we got fractions.
[11:54]	Amanda Linden 	seriously.
[11:54]	Counter Landfall 	I agree Amanda
[11:54]	Amanda Linden 	you guys spend more time hating on each other than discussing real issues.
[11:54]	Counter Landfall 	I am game to have a discussion how to sort this out
[11:54]	Amanda Linden 	sorry to call you on teh mat.
[11:54]	Couldbe 	I'm a faction of 1 because I pretty well detest you all but I wouldn't want to do it
[11:54]	Amanda Linden 	but, that's hwat i'm here for
[11:55]	Counter Landfall 	but a group like that should have 3 owners
[11:55]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I actually disagree Amanda...we get a lot done typically....texcpet at these meetings..haha
[11:55]	Amanda Linden 	ha couldbe. :)
[11:55]	Counter Landfall 	so it cannot be easily hijacked
[11:55]	Amanda Linden 	well, then you're losing out on teh opportunity to have LL help.
[11:55]	Amanda Linden 	if these meetings aren't productive, then we can stop having them.
[11:55]	Amanda Linden 	i'm serious
[11:55]	Amanda Linden 	either we work together or we end htem.
[11:55]	Zada Bury 	Mmmm ... well .. a "team" as group-owner would be better, also for the case of a needed backup.
[11:56]	Amanda Linden 	i agree zada.
[11:56]	Couldbe 	amanda - time is running short and i have a couple of quick questions that I'd like to ask
[11:56]	Amanda Linden 	ok, couldbe.
[11:56]	Janicka Engineer 	I tghout that we are adult people on adult land :-/
[11:57]	Amanda Linden 	actually, couldbe--can you email me sep or save it for the next meeting?>
[11:57]	Couldbe 	the first one - do you know if they've been tinkering with gsa6 search again - particularly for adult?
[11:57]	Amanda Linden 	i really want to get agreement that we're all on the same team and will work together.
[11:57]	Amanda Linden 	or,would people rather not have these meetings.
[11:57]	Janicka Engineer 	I will hope
[11:57]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I have been trying tpo gather cooperation with ZA from day one......they have alwssy resisted...will they change tuen now?
[11:58]	Amanda Linden 	ok, here's this...
[11:58]	Couldbe 	if you'd stop playing games and trying to manipulate situations to your advantage you might find people are more receptive ginette.
[11:58]	Counter Landfall 	we need the meetings Aamnda, but as to my memo, I believe there are issues between LL and this community tat has been stuck under the carpet for too long
[11:58]	Huntress Catteneo	the perception of a lot getting done is slightly flawed, many do not take part due to the clashes, so it is not a good cross section opf people
[11:58]	Amanda Linden 	if you want to work int he spirit of partnership and community then say yes. if not say no. i want everyone to respond. slap me some yes or no's.
[11:58]	Counter Landfall 	and that we need to discuss, rahter than hear the details of zexpo every meeting
[11:58]	Amanda Linden 	yes
[11:58]	Amanda Linden 	come on.
[11:58]	Huntress Catteneo	yes
[11:58]	Janicka Engineer 	ok I propose one thhing
[11:58]	Amanda Linden 	yes or no. it's a leap of faith. what you believe...
[11:59]	Janicka Engineer 	create new group
[11:59]	Janicka Engineer 	for all
[11:59]	Liisa Runo 	yes
[11:59]	Gothica Actor 	*not with in the group, so I will pass*
[11:59]	Zada Bury 	"ACUG"
[11:59]	Ginette Pinazzo 	yes for what, Amanda? to cooperate? of course yes
[11:59]	Janicka Engineer 	with some neutral owner
[11:59]	Couldbe 	a new events group sounds good to me
[11:59]	Zacklee Devin 	was just here for comic relif
[11:59]	Amanda Linden 	i lke that idea too.
[11:59]	Counter Landfall 	KJanicka anyone can create a group
[11:59]	Amanda Linden 	a new group--a new start.
[11:59]	Zacklee Devin 	did i miss my cue?
[11:59]	Qie 	Amanda, to the new group: yes.
[11:59]	Hypatia Meili 	yes
[11:59]	Counter Landfall 	Amanda just said she will not run a community group, yes?
[11:59]	Zacklee Devin 	I am trying to rent out an extra room so i put an add in the paper and this girl came to look she like it and asked what I WAS asking for the room, so i told her one sixty nine a week. I think she miss understood me or something she tried to give me money...( pause for laughter)
[12:00]	Amanda Linden 	zacklee..thanks for comic relief.
[12:00]	Hypatia Meili 	why just co-opt blodins , chang whats needed
[12:00]	Amanda Linden 	ok, here's an option....
[12:00]	Zada Bury 	We have the zindra allaicne ... but that isn't a group for everyone. the Zexpo-group is a event grou p--- we need a real central zindra-group ... and for adult content
[12:00]	Hypatia Meili 	linden powers
[12:00]	Amanda Linden 	what if we created the adult community board
[12:00]	Amanda Linden 	with leaders from all the different groups.
[12:00]	Amanda Linden 	a neutral space.
[12:01]	Counter Landfall 	Blondin had the same idea
[12:01]	Amanda Linden 	like the UN.
[12:01]	Counter Landfall 	:-))
[12:01]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[12:01]	Ginette Pinazzo 	thats what these meeting were supposed to be originally....
[12:01]	Counter Landfall 	hehe like they agree
[12:01]	Hypatia Meili 	tht zepo grouphas a membership - just revamp it
[12:01]	Gothica Actor 	*sounds interesting*
[12:01]	Hypatia Meili 	zexpo
[12:01]	Janicka Engineer 	I have idea for new name "Adult Zindra People"
[12:01]	Amanda Linden 	ok, let's pick this up where we left off for next week.
[12:01]	Janicka Engineer 	for this group
[12:01]	Amanda Linden 	think this has some legs.
[12:01]	Amanda Linden 	:)
[12:01]	Amanda Linden 	as they say
[12:02]	Amanda Linden 	you guys good with that?
[12:02]	Counter Landfall 	yep
[12:02]	Zada Bury 	Yes, much,
[12:02]	Amanda Linden 	ok, cool. will add this one to agenda.
[12:02]	Counter Landfall 	thx
[12:02]	Zada Bury 	Saves me the line ^.^
[12:02]	Amanda Linden 	glad that most everyone is on board!
[12:02]	Amanda Linden 	thanks all. glad we got some tough stuff out on teh table.
[12:02]	Amanda Linden 	healthy discussion
[12:02]	Ginette Pinazzo 	I woudl liek to know the implicatiosn of switching or adding groups.....as it may affetc many hundreds of peoepl
[12:03]	Amanda Linden 	let's discuss next week.
[12:03]	Innula Zenovka 	is this primarily a group for Adult Content or for Zindra, this new group?
[12:03]	Amanda Linden 	i'm thinking more about a smaller private group....not a public one.
[12:03]	Amanda Linden 	let's discuss next week since we're out of time....
[12:03]	Zada Bury 	*whispers* appointements ... you see she is boss, becasue she not need to hurry on the leave
[12:03]	Qie 	thanks Amanda.
[12:03]	Couldbe 	Couldbe sighs heavily
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[12:03]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks
[12:03]	Amanda Linden 	thanks all.
[12:03]	Janicka Engineer 	thanks amanda
[12:03]	Zada Bury 	Thank you Amanda. Then until the next week.
[12:03]	Counter Landfall 	Zindra is big enough as a community on its own, but there is a wider set of adult content issues
[12:04]	Ginette Pinazzo 	goodbye Amanda
[12:04]	Counter Landfall 	cheers Aamanda
[12:04]	Hypatia Meili 	bye amanda
[12:04]	Counter Landfall 	so adult is not equal with Zindra only
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