Doc Team/2010-08-11

== Transcript ==
[13:01]	:	Ah, good, a Linden. Now we can officially have a meeting. :D
[13:01]	:	It wasn't official before?
[13:02]	:	well, it wouldn't do any good to have a discussoin if there's no Lindens here to participate. :D
[13:02]	:	"If avatars have a discussion and there's no Linden around to hear it, did it really happen?"
[13:02]	:	tho there have been some lively ones here when no Lindens showed. (giggles)
[13:02]	:	tree falling thing
[13:02]	:	Yep, Geo :-)
[13:03]	:	"If a tree falls on a Linden, did it really make a sound?" :D
[13:03]	:	To be fair, I do log all the office hours I attend :-)
[13:03]	:	good news
[13:03]	:	Eh, depends on how the physics engine is feeling that day, and whether the collision sound is cached.
[13:04]	:	do feel fre to use voice if you like
[13:04]	:	Voice is disabled on this parcel, actually.
[13:04]	:	=free
[13:04]	:	I think they might have voice turned off here.
[13:04]	:	yeah, what Jeremy Linden said
[13:04]	 	has pinged you.
[13:05]	:	voice can be used in many ways
[13:05]	:	since they always post chat transcripts of the DocTeam OH to the wiki, it'd kinda be pointless to have some of it in voicechat, since that part wouldn't get trasncribed
[13:05]	:	as a group
[13:05]	:	Yes it can, but it can't easily be logged and posted to the wiki. :-)
[13:05]	:	sure it cab
[13:05]	:	can
[13:06]	:	this week in google is on
[13:06]	:	yeah, but you'd have to have someone there to manually transcribe it. And it wouldn't be worth the extra resources expended.... so they turn off voice instead.
[13:06]	:	Geo, if you can find me a tool that neatly interlaces speech-to-text with text-only for the log, I'll be extremely happy to use it for this office hour :-)
[13:07]	:	/me smiles.
[13:07]	:	just record the voice and post the file
[13:08]	:	if someone needs text let them do that
[13:09]	:	The other part of why we don't use voice for office hours, at least traditionally, is that text gets logged in a way that holds Lindens accountable for what they say. If someone files an AR against me for something I say, it'll come out in the official logs when the AR gets checked out.
[13:09]	:	so much is lost in text
[13:09]	:	Not that I'm a particularly offensive guy, of course!
[13:10]	:	:-0
[13:10]	:	:-)
[13:11]	:	well i here to learn and i find i do it much faster in voice
[13:11]	:	Geo, I understand your viewpoint. There have been some experiments with voice-only office hours, but so far they've been with groups of Residents under NDA on certain features.
[13:11]	:	Speaking of NDA..... any idea when the NDA will be lifted for Mesh stuff?
[13:11]	:	i do understand
[13:12]	:	Sorry Nathan, no idea.
[13:12]	:	does anyone realize how futile it is to ask about NDA stuff?
[13:12]	:	any idea when we'll see a public beta?
[13:12]	:	Sorry Nathan, no idea.
[13:12]	:	Yeah, the timing of the lifting-of-NDA is probably also coverd by NDA. :D
[13:13]	:	correct
[13:13]	:	Still, it was worth a shot. (gigggles) and a good way to change the subject.
[13:13]	:	we are not able to talk about teh North Dakaota Assossiation
[13:13]	:	:-)
[13:13]	:	I wish I knew more. Lots of stuff got shuffled around lately with all the restructuring of the company.
[13:14]	:	Anyway, aside from not having voice and wanting Mesh to come out, how is everyone this week?
[13:14]	:	Yeah, when Qarl got the axe... a lot of people were scared to death it was a sign Mesh was being shelved... oO
[13:14]	:	so far so good
[13:14]	:	I took eth time to take alook at blue mars
[13:14]	:	alive and kicking
[13:14]	:	what a dump
[13:15]	:	Blue Mars started following me on Twitter yesterday :-)
[13:15]	:	I've been spending about equal time as here on one of the opensim grids.
[13:15]	:	I was expecting all sorts of cool stuff because everyone keeps blabbing about it
[13:15]	:	first the avatar editor blows
[13:15]	:	the movement controls blow
[13:16]	:	I hear the movement system is.... not very nice, too
[13:16]	:	teh chat system blows
[13:16]	:	and the intereaction of items blows
[13:16]	:	Heh.
[13:16]	:	Blue Mars = Mass bandwidth
[13:16]	:	Basically, so I've heard, the only real good thing Blue Mars has going for it is..... everything looks fantastic. :D
[13:16]	:	the good points were dynamic shadows
[13:16]	:	and eth water looked good
[13:16]	:	except in some pool where it looked daft
[13:17]	:	I'm... pretty sure I'm not allowed to express any kind of opinion on the subject, but I appreciate the feedback. It's interesting to know what people think about how other virtual worlds stack up to Second Life.
[13:17]	:	and even though tehre was only 4 people there at the time.... lag was a killer
[13:18]	:	I have to say that SL still has alot going for it
[13:18]	:	Another place that seems to be having a bit of buzz lately is inWorldz.... an opensim grid. But I've heard some not-so-nice things from ppl who've actually gone tere.
[13:18]	:	and blue mars made viewer 2.0 look good
[13:18]	:	lol
[13:18]	:	is LL addressing the win 7 thing?
[13:18]	:	what win7 thing?
[13:18]	:	what win 7 thing?
[13:18]	:	Which Windows 7 thing, Geo?
[13:18]	:	/me is on Win7 64bit, and hasn't had any problems. Mind you, he's using Emerald.
[13:19]	:	when you goto the home page there is nothing about using win 7 with sl
[13:19]	:	Oh, the system requirements page?
[13:19]	:	well win7 is just vista taht works
[13:19]	:	yes
[13:19]	:	Not only that the download for 2.1 says XP/Vista---nothing about 7?
[13:19]	:	/me is on Windows 7 64-bit.
[13:19]	:	me too
[13:19]	:	probably the Linden who was to update that page.... got axed. :D
[13:19]	:	so you think people that use win know that thy can?
[13:19]	:	is on win7 32
[13:20]	:	=7
[13:20]	:	Non PC people don't know trust me
[13:20]	:	I'll look into that... our requirements page tends to get overlooked sometimes.
[13:20]	:	If 2.1 works on 7 --it should say XP/Vista/7
[13:20]	:	a new used of a OS well not see thy can use win 7
[13:20]	:	I know there is a buttload of peeps using all sorts of video cards higher then an 8800 too
[13:20]	:	but those are not on eth erquirements page
[13:21]	:	being that it is the largest OS on the markit
[13:21]	:	but they still work
[13:21]	:	so
[13:21]	:	it needs to say you can
[13:21]	:	dont try to think for others
[13:21]	:	and not many people really look at that page anyway
[13:21]	:	well, the video card recommendations, I assume, are for MINIMUM support..... those better cards are, of course, better for SL thatn those minimum ones. :D
[13:21]	:	most people just download and try it
[13:21]	:	dont try to think for others
[13:22]	:	if it works it works
[13:22]	:	dont try to think for others
[13:22]	:	still, it might be woth adding langiuge there saying "8800 cards, or better"
[13:22]	:	geo dont assume if its not on there it wont work
[13:22]	:	geo dont assume if its not on there it wont work
[13:22]	:	geo dont assume if its not on there it wont work
[13:22]	:	yup
[13:22]	:	yup
[13:22]	:	yup
[13:22]	:	it was lag
[13:22]	:	lol
[13:22]	:	oh
[13:22]	:	lol
[13:23]	:	dont have that in voice
[13:23]	:	yeah, lag kicks my tail on groupchat all the time.
[13:23]	:	oh I thought we were digressing back to kindergarten
[13:23]	:	sorry :P
[13:23]	:	Stating "or better" for video cards might be tricky, but I'll see who I can talk to about getting that page updated.
[13:23]	:	Toy boat.
[13:23]	:	Toy boat.
[13:23]	:	Toy boat.
[13:23]	:	alot of people use 9800s 200 series
[13:23]	:	300 series
[13:23]	:	400s
[13:24]	:	is there a page that just keeps track of what all video cards have been tried and which ones work and which ones don't? maybe something user-mantained
[13:24]	:	That sounds like an excellent candidate for the wiki, Nathan.
[13:24]	:	but then again teh LL stats are that 60% of eth users are using class 0 systems
[13:25]	:	but those 60% are probably not the big spenders in SL either
[13:25]	:	The keyboard shortcuts document should be delivred to all noobs via their email
[13:25]	:	nathan I think I did see a wiki page in sl about video cards
[13:26]	:	but it was awhile ago I saw it
[13:26]	:	probably outdated
[13:26]	:	Torley has one on building computers
[13:26]	:	Interesting thought, Nimh20. There is a keyboard shortcuts page in the quick start guide for Viewer 2: http://secondlife.com/support/quickstart/basic/Appendix_-_Keyboard_Shortcuts
[13:26]	:	yup, that's why I suggested it be user-maintainmed
[13:26]	:	its about 2 weeks old
[13:27]	:	-m
[13:27]	:	hello nathan
[13:27]	:	hello Raf
[13:27]	:	er... Far
[13:27]	:	It would help the casual user out Jermery because people are so busy in RL that a lot of them are not going to take the time to search for that
[13:27]	:	haha
[13:27]	:	<--- did I mention, Can't Bloomin' Type?!? :D
[13:27]	:	do you know a place to earn some money?
[13:28]	:	easiest way is just buy it
[13:28]	:	Yeah, we're looking for better ways to help new Residents learn to use Second Life. Personally, I would love to see a more interactive tutorial system built into the viewer :-)
[13:28]	:	yes I know, but i don't have any money
[13:28]	:	no real-world money?
[13:29]	:	exactly, Im a poor student
[13:29]	:	how about screen share
[13:29]	:	awwww http://www ...
[13:29]	:	if skype can do it
[13:29]	:	taht side panel would be a great place for a tutorials page Jeremy
[13:29]	 	has pinged you.
[13:29]	:	and im new here
[13:29]	:	its my first day in sl
[13:30]	:	welcome to SL
[13:30]	:	welcome
[13:30]	:	Farfallala--check your IM's
[13:30]	:	thanks
[13:30]	:	Maybe, Bronson. We do have Viewer Help right now. That's what you get when you press F1 or click the "?" on any window. It opens help for whichever window has focus.
[13:30]	:	whats IM?
[13:30]	:	Instand Message
[13:30]	:	t
[13:30]	:	yep
[13:30]	:	you might try DJing, I suppose..... you'd have to buy the right software, tho. I gather there';s a fairly cheap but good one on the Mac, but I don't remember the name of it. Gripes me tht there doeesn't seem to be a sub-$50-DJ proggy on Windows, tho
[13:31]	:	oh one thing I do wish to see again is a fast way to look at grid status
[13:31]	:	why nimph?
[13:31]	:	oh hell you can use winamp and a shoutcast DSP for taht
[13:31]	:	all free
[13:31]	:	Open up the other windows of people typing to you Farrfallala
[13:31]	:	presumably because he sent you a private chat.
[13:32]	:	oh ok nimph
[13:32]	:	Bronson, does this help? http://status.secondlifegrid.net/
[13:32]	:	lol
[13:32]	:	lol no -my name is Nimh--aka National Institute of Mental Health
[13:32]	:	yeah but can you do taht fast from the viewer?
[13:32]	:	on 1.23 you coul dgo to the top of the screen and click help
[13:32]	:	is there a free package for winamp that lets you cue up songs in advance, rearrange and add and remove them before they broadcast?
[13:33]	:	and tere would be a spot to check teh linden blog
[13:33]	:	dinamically, I mean
[13:33]	:	it would pop open and there woul dbe a link right there to check teh grid status
[13:33]	:	er.... dynamically
[13:33]	:	nathan yes
[13:33]	:	just search for winamp
[13:33]	:	name them and I'll check it out.
[13:33]	:	let me look
[13:34]	:	http://www.winamp.com/
[13:34]	:	I tried DJing ones in winamp, years ago, and it was very very tedius. It was all I could do just keeping the songs playing.
[13:34]	:	*once in
[13:35]	:	the latest skin has a really good song playlist editor
[13:35]	:	and you can choose different skins too
[13:35]	:	try live streaming from http://www.livestream.com
[13:35]	:	And yeah, I know about winamp, I use winamp. I mean, do you know of a specifica suite of add-ons for it that make DHing in it a breaze
[13:35]	:	so you can use one taht works best for you
[13:35]	:	er... DJing in it
[13:36]	:	sure
[13:36]	:	and you can sharea your rl
[13:36]	:	and teh shoutcast DSP plug in allows you to use voice too
[13:36]	:	there is SAM also
[13:36]	:	but you have to pay for that
[13:36]	:	livestream is free
[13:36]	:	yup, Sam aint free. I'm looking for free, or dirt cheap.
[13:37]	:	and if you are streaming so multiple people are hearing it
[13:37]	:	i have 11 free live streams
[13:37]	:	you are streaming up to a third party server
[13:37]	:	and it replicates teh stream
[13:37]	:	this metting needs to be on one
[13:37]	:	so multiple peeps hear it
[13:37]	:	no it is a live stream in real time
[13:37]	:	yeah, but does http://www.livestream.com give you good WinAmp plugins for streaming? or does it merely provide a place for one to stream through, given an acquared-serpereately streaming software?
[13:38]	:	i can rez it on a prim here and run it if you like
[13:39]	:	only people on 2.1 can see it or hear it on Moap
[13:39]	:	and it my have some delay but vary little
[13:39]	:	I'm mostly trying to track down software for MY end of the issue. Geting a place to stream via isn't an issue because I can get that already.
[13:39]	:	true you need 2.0 or better
[13:40]	:	but with livestream you can also see it on a web page
[13:40]	:	no need for sl
[13:40]	:	yeah, but if I DJ, I'll probably DJ at an existing club..... who have their own streaming station.
[13:40]	:	kinda defeats streaming into SL if you dnt need SL
[13:41]	:	a great way to share sl
[13:41]	:	to people that have no idea what it is
[13:41]	:	and are using win 7
[13:41]	:	hehe
[13:41]	:	lol
[13:41]	:	Heh.
[13:42]	:	and I'm also a friend of the guy who runs TNT Radio in-world..... which also does streaming.
[13:42]	:	Actually, I sometimes go to live music events, grab the URL (if I can), then hop out to make room for more people to listen in the region.
[13:42]	:	yup, that works.
[13:42]	:	sounds like taht is teh guy to talk to about what free software to use
[13:42]	:	but he will probably say winamp and shoutcast
[13:42]	:	good thinking Jeremy
[13:42]	 	has pinged you.
[13:42]	:	Jeremy, I've been searching the Knowledge Base for a way of stopping calling card spam, but can't seem to find the answer. Muting is not the same thing, as then you can't hear the people locally nor in group. I need an answer for a situation in which the spammer refuses to remove our calling card from his spam list. There are many of us affected.
[13:42]	 	has pinged you.
[13:43]	:	I was having major issues with my ISP giving me really rocky internet thorughput.... so that listening to the stream in-world didn't work so well, so I'd switch to listening via winamp and it was at least marginally better
[13:43]	:	Jeremy: Is there a Knowledge Base page you could point me to?
[13:43]	 	has pinged you.
[13:43]	:	Fortunately, they sent us a newer modem that works on a different system thatn the old one, and my internet has performed more steadily now. Knock wood.
[13:44]	:	Not sure, Morgaine. We would probably just say you should mute this person.
[13:44]	:	Not adequate, since we only want to stop his CC spams, not mute him in-world nor in group.
[13:44]	:	yeah, you can slect "mute" on individuals in world, and everything they say or do is blocked from chat, and they show up all grey.
[13:45]	:	ah
[13:45]	:	Most ISP's steal your bandwidth and you never know
[13:45]	:	Nathan: yeah, we know about mute, but it doesn't do what we want, which is to remove our Calling Card from him
[13:45]	:	i have that with Time Warrner all the time
[13:46]	:	And unchecking the checknox that lets them see when you're online isn't useful to you eiter?
[13:47]	:	If nothing else works, Morgaine, try sending him a warning that you no longer wish to receive unsolicited messages through your calling card. If he continues, file an abuse report with us including all details of the situation.
[13:47]	:	Nathan: they're not a friend. If they were a friend, we could just cancel friendship, and the friendship would drop from the other end as well.
[13:47]	:	it would be nice if when you dump a person off your friends list it withdraws your calling card out of thier inventory
[13:48]	:	Jeremy: we've done the asking politely many times. He refuses.
[13:48]	 	has pinged you.
[13:48]	:	He told you he refuses, or he ignores you?
[13:48]	:	as it is now the calling card remains in their inventory
[13:48]	:	He actually refuses to do anything about it.
[13:49]	:	I've never AR's anybody. I guess that's explained in the K.B. somewhere, right?
[13:50]	:	Here's the first hit I found: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Help:When_and_how_to_file_an_Abuse_Report
[13:50]	:	Thanks Jeremy
[13:50]	 	has pinged you.
[13:53]	:	Hi again xstorm
[13:53]	:	hey its that dude again
[13:53]	:	**Welcome back!***
[13:53]	:	hi hi ty :-)
[13:53]	:	cleaning a sandbox
[13:53]	:	Ah, fun!
[13:53]	:	litterbox?
[13:54]	:	damn cats anyway
[13:54]	:	lol if you cound 30 dresses box
[13:54]	:	count
[13:54]	:	I always used to like uncrowded sandboxes. Like gigantic mad scientist laboratories, with people experimenting on all kinds of stuff.
[13:55]	:	so did i :-)
[13:55]	:	the sandboxes here are madhouses
[13:55]	:	its great to see what a person can think up thats out side the box
[13:56]	:	indeed
[13:56]	:	like the website control of ojects in side of sl
[13:56]	:	or how perfect they can make something if they think inside the box
[13:56]	:	thinking is good if it happens
[13:57]	:	lol
[13:57]	:	huh? wha?
[13:57]	:	perfection is not perfect there was a man that did feeel perfection is never true
[13:57]	:	perfection is the enemy of excellence
[13:57]	:	LOL, new idea for ToS: "Residents are required to think."
[13:57]	:	lol
[13:57]	:	It'll never fly :P
[13:57]	:	lol
[13:57]	:	lol
[13:58]	:	lol
[13:58]	:	so true
[13:58]	:	Happy 35th birthday, global warming!
[13:58]	:	Would that mean we would need a "thoughtless police"?
[13:58]	:	Morgaine: Oh, that'll go over like a solid brick hangglider! :D
[13:58]	:	You have been online for 1 hours.
[13:59]	:	LL seems to ahead od that cirve
[13:59]	:	well they did that back when we had telehubs and LL did not like us land owners putting our shops all around the telehubs lol
[13:59]	:	=of
 
Generated with SLog Wikifier
Category: Documentation Office Hours