Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2010-08-19

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on August 19th, 2010
= Agenda =
** Who went to SLCC?
*** Anything to report?
** Where the hell is mesh?
** 1.42.0 is in Pilot Deploy on AGNI now
*** Bugs?
**** - "Incorrect physical shape for twisted prims"
**** - "Shift-Drag copies don't retain the group they were set to"
*** Full roll next week.
** Display Names Discussion
*** Official Blog: http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/08/17/display-names-bringing-greater-self-expression-to-second-life
*** How is LSL affected Display Names: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Display_Names/LSL
*** Torley Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGoHjGz2OaQ
** Teen Second Life is closing.
* Releases
* Any other business
** what you want to talk about goes here.
** What is status of being able to set maximum script memory usage?
= Resolved Items =
= Meeting Minutes =
= Transcript =
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for August 19th, 2010:
* [14:48] Ima Mechanique: could be
* [14:48] SW-150 v3.0: Locator beacon: Your SW-100 is located at Oatmeal 16(123,180) at an altitude of 20 meters.
* [14:59] Oskar Linden: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it's almost 3
* [14:59] Moon Metty: oooooo
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: holds his breath in anticipation
* [15:00] Jammers Inaka: almost.. not quite though
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: there it is
* [15:00] Jammers Inaka: now it ish
* [15:00] Alexandrea Fride: is now :p
* [15:00] SHAMUS Carter: nos ish
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: three oh oh pm pdt
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: good afternoon everybody
* [15:01] Moon Metty: hey Oskar :) hi eveyone
* [15:01] IzzieBellah Hinterland: good evening
* [15:01] Alexandrea Fride: Hiya
* [15:01] Jammers Inaka: hewooo
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: welcome to another exciting installment of Server Beta Office Hours with Uncle Oskar
* [15:01] SHAMUS Carter: bussy day today i would thign with the 1.42 relase and all
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: I will always take the time for my OH :-)
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: here comes monty
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: and maestro
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: and moundsa
* [15:02] Latif Khalifa: hell M Lindens
* [15:02] Moon Metty: waves to Maestro
* [15:02] Latif Khalifa: hello
* [15:02] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [15:02] Latif Khalifa: hehe
* [15:02] Kaluura Boa: Hello, hello...
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: I suppose we can get started them
* [15:02] SHAMUS Carter: /waves
* [15:02] Moundsa Mayo: HI Oskar, an' everyone!
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: now that simon is here
* [15:02] Ima Mechanique: hello 'M' Lindens
* [15:02] Psi Merlin: Hi Ima
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: here is the agenda
* [15:02] Ima Mechanique: and Simon ;-)
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours
* [15:02] IzzieBellah Hinterland: it's S&M...hello
* [15:03] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [15:03] Ima Mechanique: prefer M&S
* [15:03] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [15:03] SHAMUS Carter: b&some d lincens and s&M lol
* [15:03] IzzieBellah Hinterland: prefers M&M's
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: let's see what the agenda has for us today
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: Who went to SLCC?
* [15:03] Psi Merlin: Hello Oskar, SimonMonty and Maestro
* [15:03] Moon Metty: i see we have an agenda to fill many hours
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: anyone?
* [15:03] Maestro Linden: hi everybody
* [15:03] Serenity Rosencrans: waves
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: I did not get to go to SLCC this year
* [15:04] Latif Khalifa: I watched streaming live :)
* [15:04] Kaluura Boa: "Where the hell is mesh?" I like this one...
* [15:04] SHAMUS Carter: missed SLCC
* [15:04] Alexandrea Fride: missed both :(
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: maybe next year I'll go
* [15:04] Alexandrea Fride: posble to see rewatch?
* [15:04] Latif Khalifa: yes
* [15:04] SHAMUS Carter: read the blog
* [15:04] Alexandrea Fride: k
* [15:04] Latif Khalifa: they have the videos on ustream
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: a lot got talked about at SLCC
* [15:04] Flynn Tigerpaw: son't miss Phil's address
* [15:04] Flynn Tigerpaw: dont
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: which is a perfect segway into the enxt agenda item
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: Where the hell is mesh?
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: in the words of our esteemed founder and interm CEO Philip "mesh will be in public beta by years end"
* [15:05] Kaluura Boa: He didn't say what year...
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: that will save me the effort of sneaking it into 1.44
* [15:05] Alexandrea Fride: -.-
* [15:05] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: so take what you will from that, but mesh is fast approaching
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: months fly by like weeks for me here
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: so anytime really.
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: I will of course keep you informed as soon as I know
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: it's gonna be a fun one
* [15:06] Alexandrea Fride: :)
* [15:06] Moundsa Mayo: Aw, Oskar, please feel free to sneak ANY enhancment into any release you please!
* [15:07] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [15:07] Jammers Inaka: Especially if it is Mesh XD
* [15:07] Moundsa Mayo: It all adds up.
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: let us talk about server 1.42
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: oh no... here's mr hoppity
* [15:07] Moy Loon: Mmm
* [15:07] Rex Cronon: greetings everybody
* [15:08] SHAMUS Carter: greetings
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: ok then, it looks like moy has settled
* [15:08] Rex Cronon: hey shamus
* [15:08] Jammers Inaka: giggles
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: for the time being
* [15:08] Moon Metty: :)
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: 1.42.0 is 20% on the grid in a pilot roll
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: we have seen a few issues
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: SVC-6162[c
* [15:09] Issue Helper: Issue does not exist... try again, Oskar Linden
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: oops
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: SVC-6162 - "Incorrect physical shape for twisted prims"
* [15:09] SHAMUS Carter: SVC-6162
* [15:09] Issue Helper: [#SVC-6162
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-6162
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: there
* [15:09] Moon Metty: how did that creep in?
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: with a physics fix
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: I blame falcon
* [15:10] SHAMUS Carter: good question but it needs fixing
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: it's getting fixed
* [15:10] Simon Linden: it's fixed, will be in th enext pilot roll
* [15:10] Kitto Flora: Is theer any news from Falcon as to what he has fixed/
* [15:10] Kitto Flora: ?
* [15:10] SHAMUS Carter: *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*Yayyyyyyy!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: we are piloting a fix tonight
* [15:10] Jammers Inaka: *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*Yayyyyyyy!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
* [15:10] Eddi Decosta: sorry for this late and interup my friend!! 
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: I guess that means I'll be working late :-(
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: anyway
* [15:10] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: the other bug is SVC-6161
* [15:10] Issue Helper: [#SVC-6161
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-6161
* [15:11] Alexandrea Fride: passes Oskar some coffee
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: there were a few other issues we are tracking internally
* [15:11] Eddi Decosta: hi Oskar! 
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: including some crashers
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: <_<
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: >_>
* [15:11] Barry Hoch: lol
* [15:11] Maestro Linden: we found out late last night that svc6161 was caused by a bugfix, and is actually 'correct' behavior after all.
* [15:11] Rex Cronon: is 6161 really a bug?
* [15:11] Eddi Decosta: hi Maestro
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: hah
* [15:11] Maestro Linden: I plan to elaborate on that one soon
* [15:11] Barry Hoch: holy crap did the main grid go under?
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: I missed that email
* [15:11] Maestro Linden: after all no, rex :)
* [15:11] Moundsa Mayo: svc-6161
* [15:11] Issue Helper: [#SVC-6161
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-6161
* [15:12] Kira Wolkenberg: It's just a useful feature...
* [15:12] Maestro Linden: if we have time, I can explain the original bug that was fixed in 1.42 and caused svc6161
* [15:12] Rex Cronon: if your active group is different it certainly should ignore the old on:)
* [15:12] Rex Cronon: old one*
* [15:12] Moy Loon: It should keep the old group
* [15:12] Barry Hoch: aditi looking busy today
* [15:12] Barry Hoch: :)
* [15:12] Maestro Linden: yeah, that makes it more consistent with other rez behavior
* [15:12] Maestro Linden: well, the old bug was,
* [15:12] Moy Loon: If you're on land wirh return time, and you don't have your group set, it'd suck to have it returned
* [15:13] Fred Gandt: mhmm. The new prim should be set to the new group. Make sense for creation
* [15:13] Maestro Linden: let's say I have a box owned by me, set to "The Lindens" group
* [15:13] Moon Metty: true, it's not cloning, but copying
* [15:13] Alexandrea Fride: agreed
* [15:13] Maestro Linden: and the box is set to "allow anybody to copy"
* [15:13] Moy Loon: Was the old bug, it saying you can't rez objects, beacuse you didn't have your tag set?
* [15:13] Rex Cronon: u just have to pay a little attention to your active group:)
* [15:13] Maestro Linden: now, anybody can shift=copy that box
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: shh let maestro explain
* [15:13] Moy Loon: Then...Why not only set it when it's not the same owner?
* [15:13] Maestro Linden: in older versions, an avatar who duplicated that box would own the duplicate,
* [15:13] Maestro Linden: but the group would still be set to the Lindens
* [15:14] Maestro Linden: and it's probably bad to have non-group-members having objects set to the group
* [15:14] Jammers Inaka: very true
* [15:14] CPU Core: i think copying a prim should copy the group its set too.. land requiring the correct group would be needing people to change groups to do simple tasks all the time otherwise
* [15:14] Jammers Inaka: Suprise that was never really exploited
* [15:14] Maestro Linden: I think the new behavior (having the duplicate object set to the avatar's current group) is more consistent with other object rezzing too
* [15:14] Moon Metty: yup
* [15:14] Maestro Linden: although I can see how it's inconvenient in certain cases.
* [15:15] CPU Core: people wont even know the object they copy will be getting returned to them in 5 minutes too
* [15:15] Base Diavolo: Howdy folks!
* [15:15] Rex Cronon: hey
* [15:15] Maestro Linden: guess they'll find out 5min later, in that case :)
* [15:15] Kaluura Boa: An exception should be made for the owner/creator
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: maybe I can just freeze moy
* [15:15] Alexandrea Fride: yes please
* [15:15] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [15:16] Fred Gandt: Possibility of a hotkeyable option? Too complex? shift drag copy "keep group". shift alt drag copy "change group" example
* [15:16] Flynn Tigerpaw: i derendered him (Emerald feature)
* [15:16] Jammers Inaka: haha
* [15:16] Base Diavolo: or drop something Moy has never seen...
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: aww
* [15:16] Base Diavolo: xD
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: I'm not gonna derender moy
* [15:16] Maestro Linden: yeah, that could be possible, Kaluura. but if the rules get too complicated, it makes SL more difficult to use
* [15:16] SHAMUS Carter: hehe derender would be nice to import to the other main viewer ;-)
* [15:16] Jammers Inaka: trick is to keep it simple so the less intelligent people can figure it out easier
* [15:17] Latif Khalifa: btw. i confirmed that 1.42 does fix bots logging in at 0,0,0 issue so \o/
* [15:17] Eddi Decosta: hmm derender option?!?
* [15:17] Jammers Inaka: to complicated scares people off
* [15:17] Moy Loon: I'd find the shiftduping changing groups kinda annoying, as I've made the client do everything under the land group by default, regardless of what my active group is
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: maestro, simon did you guys want to talk about any other issues beinf found/fixed in the pilot?
* [15:17] Moundsa Mayo: Or a popup warning of group changed - return imminent?
* [15:17] Maestro Linden: ah good to hear, latif. i'll take a note
* [15:17] Moy Loon: So, it'd mean I can't be lazy, and just have it do everything for me, automaticly
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: thanks latif
* [15:17] Simon Linden: thanks for checking that, Latif
* [15:17] Moy Loon: Unless I'd just do something, like have it auto switch groups for me upon entering new land
* [15:17] Kira Wolkenberg: It's not just a feature of Emerald, but of Imprudence too, and most other TPVs
* [15:17] Latif Khalifa: I closed it in the public jira, you might want to kill DEV- too
* [15:17] Issue Helper: Issue does not exist... try again, Latif Khalifa
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: if bots are fixed now latif what has been making you so cranky in AWG? :-D
* [15:17] Eddi Decosta: thanks latif 
* [15:18] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [15:18] Moon Metty: it's time ANSI installs the original jira helper lol
* [15:18] Latif Khalifa: stupidity mostly ;)
* [15:18] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [15:18] Entering god: mode, level 200
* [15:18] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, funny thing is i get a ton of IMs "yeah, you told them right" lol
* [15:19] SHAMUS Carter: whats wrong with the curenty jirra helprt it woirks fins SVC- DEV- ect
* [15:19] Issue Helper: Issue does not exist... try again, SHAMUS Carter
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: so we'll get these issues fixed and continue with the original deploy schedule of a full roll mid next week
* [15:19] Moon Metty: :)
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: Latif, funny thing is I send out a bunch of IM's to Lindens "yeah, he told us right" lol ;-)
* [15:19] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [15:19] Base Diavolo: did i miss anything major in that 10 mins i missed?
* [15:20] SHAMUS Carter: yes you wonw a free refreshj
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: not a lot base
* [15:20] Monty Linden: everyone present got a free car
* [15:20] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [15:20] Fred Gandt: Two issues? There must be others. Did I miss a lot more than I thought?
* [15:20] Latif Khalifa: I always only have kind words for server Lindens if you didn't notice. Also Lindens are a very small part of my crankiness on AWG ;)
* [15:20] Alexandrea Fride: sweet
* [15:20] Base Diavolo: good thing i wasnt here....i drive off with that DUI under my belt...im screwed..
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: so 1.42 is gonna be in pilot all weekend long
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: I'll check in with you guys early next week and see if there are new issues
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: and if not we'll proceed with the main roll.
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: and that brings us to Display Names
* [15:21] Base Diavolo: 1.42 is pure awesomeness....it's fun just to fly from sim-to-sim in a plane and not end up four sims over in lag
* [15:21] SHAMUS Carter: im shocked there are not more issues. if there out there there hidign well
* [15:21] Latif Khalifa: So far so good, I was hoping some less freeziness, it's better but still freezes
* [15:21] Moon Metty: yes, Display names
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: yet another major announcement from SLCC
* [15:21] Kitto Flora: Is it possible to get 1.42 on a particular region in MG?
* [15:21] Alexandrea Fride: activate it alredy :p
* [15:21] Latif Khalifa: Moon how is freeziness on your sim?
* [15:22] Alexandrea Fride: cant wait
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: it is kitto. you can add your region to the pilot roll
* [15:22] Moon Metty: low, but that's normal after a restart
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Agni_Pilot_Regions
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: put your region on that list
* [15:22] Latif Khalifa: yeah, I didn't notice much difference either, hopefully mono 2.6 in 1.44 will fix the rest
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: do, display names is fancy and new
* [15:22] Fred Gandt: Region crossings do rock in 1.42. The change is very noticable. Slick work there.
* [15:22] Base Diavolo: i tested a buncha crap..made one jira.....the only other thing i discovered besides that rebaking thig was the rezzing of multiple objects with active scripts..like a buttload of bullets or grenades or temp items...
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: kinda
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: it went to the grid in 1.40 actually
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: they just swatted my hand every time I tried to talk about it
* [15:23] Base Diavolo: you can rez a 'wad' the 1st time and it works....if you try to rez it again within around ten seconds...the scripts dont work again
* [15:23] Base Diavolo: hafta wait till it kicks in again
* [15:23] Kitto Flora: TY Oskar.
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: so it is fully enabled on AGNI, but needs a willing server
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: I mean viewer
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: doh
* [15:23] Alexandrea Fride: :p
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: which is coming soonish or something
* [15:24] Latif Khalifa: I for one thik there are far too few Latif Khalifas on the grid, so this is a welcome change as we need some more :P That way Oskar can get his entertainment in AWG 24/7
* [15:24] Ima Mechanique: but what is it exactly, or rather what's it's point ;-)
* [15:24] Moon Metty: i see a big problem with giving all new residents the last name "Resident"
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: of Display Names?
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: I am glad you asked
* [15:24] Moon Metty: it will break a lot of content!
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: please allow Torley Linden to explain 6 excellent reasons: 
* [15:25] Ima Mechanique: yes Oskar, I missed the SLCC announcement
* [15:25] Serenity Rosencrans: yes i am worried about them breaking scripts that detect names
* [15:25] Alexandrea Fride: conecnt created should not do the old way annymore
* [15:25] Serenity Rosencrans: designed assuming the names are something static
* [15:25] Moy Loon: Scripts will still get the correct names
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: this is kelly talking all about LSL integration https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Display_Names/LSL
* [15:25] Moon Metty: the first day someone makes an account called "John Resident"
* [15:25] Flynn Tigerpaw: I have to upgrade my access scripts
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: there is a LOT of info in there
* [15:25] Alexandrea Fride: plus firstname is username and alredy unique
* [15:25] Moy Loon: I'll still be Moy Loon to scripts, even if my display name is 'Moy'
* [15:25] Moon Metty: the next month someone makes a name "john234629434" Resident"
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: I would read through that and digest it and then show up for Kelly's OH at 9AM on Monday and ask him specific questions
* [15:26] Moon Metty: in other words, account names become meaningless
* [15:26] Eddi Decosta: loll display name, if i want i can retake Yann Dufaux?
* [15:26] Serenity Rosencrans: ok thanks
* [15:26] CPU Core: I want a chance to register first so i can get P.Resident
* [15:26] Moon Metty: but there are many existing products that rely on that name
* [15:26] Alexandrea Fride: lol cpu
* [15:26] Rex Cronon: we can can have a "loony resident" too. lol
* [15:26] Moon Metty: sure, there will be new LSL functions
* [15:26] Moon Metty: but it takes 2 or 3 years for that to update through the grid
* [15:27] SHAMUS Carter: yes will old names still work
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: or for lindens that have moved beyond this grid: oskarisnowjusta.resident
* [15:27] Moon Metty: "Resident" as last name is a big NO GO
* [15:27] Alexandrea Fride: why is that so difrent as anny other last name
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: it'll work Moon
* [15:27] Moon Metty: no it won't
* [15:27] Moon Metty: it will break every existing contest board on the grid
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: I'm not too worried about it. I can see merit in the program.
* [15:27] Jammers Inaka: i think Moon is just in an argumentative mood
* [15:27] Moon Metty: every hud that uses names
* [15:27] Alexandrea Fride: it wil not
* [15:27] Jammers Inaka: :)
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: then it gives you the chance to fix and sell working contests boards :-D
* [15:28] Moy Loon: Moon, Scripting stuff will still work just fine
* [15:28] Alexandrea Fride: Alexandrea Resident != Alexandrea Fride
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: Moon Metty the saviour of contest boards
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: you will be famous
* [15:28] Moy Loon: It'll get account names, not display names
* [15:28] Moon Metty: you're joking, of course
* [15:28] Moy Loon: So, new people will just be 'John Resident' to scripts
* [15:28] Fred Gandt: Reading the wiki it struck me that this had been well considered for old content scripts. They would have to be acting in a farily obscure way to break and with new functions it will be simple to get whatever details are needed.
* [15:28] Flynn Tigerpaw: if there is only a first name add "Resident" in the script
* [15:28] Moy Loon: Instead of what their display name is
* [15:28] SHAMUS Carter: but adding the . breaks old scripts
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: the . is transparent
* [15:29] Alexandrea Fride: for loging in
* [15:29] Moundsa Mayo: Could my display name be Oskar Linden? B^))
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: it could
* [15:29] CPU Core: score boards wont look so great with deisplay names thats for sure
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: and you could still be banned for impersonating a linden
* [15:29] Base Diavolo: lol
* [15:29] Moundsa Mayo: Ut-oh!
* [15:29] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [15:29] Rex Cronon: what dot r u talking about? where will be added? between name and resident?
* [15:29] Maestro Linden: existing scripts that handle avatar names will still see the legacy names. like "Maestro Linden" or "newuser123 Resident"
* [15:29] Moon Metty: besides that, the username will become totally meaningless
* [15:29] Maestro Linden: existing functions, I mean
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: I will be oskar.linden as displayed in the vwr, then have a display name of my choosing
* [15:29] Base Diavolo: why are scripts using usernames instead of uuids?
* [15:30] SHAMUS Carter: so SHAMUS Carter woudl trun intoSHAMUS.Carter?
* [15:30] Moon Metty: Display names is suposed to be an enhancement of the username, no?
* [15:30] Moundsa Mayo: Will add easier impersonation path. Need to filter out Linden and perhaps some other from display name usage
* [15:30] Alexandrea Fride: yes Shamus
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: there are only a few of us here who have seen this working. the rest are speaking with pure speculation. read the info I have provided and wait for the public beta.
* [15:30] SHAMUS Carter: almost all name scripts expect the space
* [15:30] Oskar Linden: then you will see how it works ok?
* [15:31] Base Diavolo: censor 'linden', all curse words in all languages (withinreason) and 'britney spears'
* [15:31] Alexandrea Fride: but the llKey2Name still returns that space
* [15:31] Lares Carter: scripts will still get the space, shamus
* [15:31] Alexandrea Fride: noting changes there
* [15:31] CPU Core: by the time we get to see it happening its too late to stop lol
* [15:31] SHAMUS Carter: ohh
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: kelly has provided a lot of good info here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Display_Names/LSL
* [15:31] SHAMUS Carter: yay so scripts will not break?
* [15:31] Fred Gandt: The wiki document and Torley's vid break it down real easy. Nice and simple
* [15:31] Maestro Linden: as I said, existing LSL scripts will still see the legacy name, like "Maestro Linden" or "newuser1234 Resident"
* [15:31] Alexandrea Fride: indeed they wil not
* [15:31] Alexandrea Fride: or not suposte to be annyway
* [15:31] Eddi Decosta: lol my new display name ImASexy Robot :p
* [15:31] SHAMUS Carter: good
* [15:31] Moon Metty: yes, but the names itself become meaningless
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: not really moon
* [15:32] Alexandrea Fride: Eddi you can use Im A Sexy Robot to
* [15:32] Moon Metty: i'm not arguing against display names, i'm arguiing against "Resident" as last name
* [15:32] Eddi Decosta: yeah i know lol
* [15:32] Alexandrea Fride: why Moon
* [15:32] Techwolf Lupindo: I can see a few problems with lucky chairs and lucky boards.
* [15:32] Eddi Decosta: i hope to test that soon 
* [15:32] Moon Metty: because it makes account names meaningless
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: going foward existing sl names will hold less relevence
* [15:32] Alexandrea Fride: its not as difrent as Fride, Linden Metty as last name
* [15:32] Kira Wolkenberg: not just that but maybe even some combat meters...
* [15:33] Moon Metty: and that in turn starts breaking content after 1 month of implementation
* [15:33] Alexandrea Fride: thats what it wil be in couple years annyway
* [15:33] Maestro Linden: ah heh, that's true, Techwolf. R will be quite common as a last name
* [15:33] Alexandrea Fride: thats why this change is here
* [15:33] Eddi Decosta: but i ghave a question , the display name are saved in user_seting folder or its diffrent for each account ??
* [15:33] Eddi Decosta: have*
* [15:33] Alexandrea Fride: server side is my guess
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: give it a chance moon, if your predictions turn out 100% correct we all owe you L$1
* [15:33] Alexandrea Fride: as you only can also change it once per week
* [15:33] CPU Core: well it would make us all special having a more unique surname.. although Core for my name is pretty common at the moment
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: :-D
* [15:33] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:33] Alexandrea Fride: agreed :p
* [15:34] Moon Metty: lol thanks Oskar
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: the real unique identifier is server side anyways
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: the display name is per user account. it's stored server-side, but I the viewer caches it sometimes
* [15:34] Eddi Decosta: once a week?
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: and that is not changing
* [15:34] Eddi Decosta: oh ok maestro thanks 
* [15:34] Alexandrea Fride: but isent display names to? (as those also returns in Search, land pirms etc
* [15:34] Moy Loon: Why is the limit once a week? For search purposes?
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: there were a few reasons
* [15:34] Alexandrea Fride: that and probl abusing
* [15:34] Oskar Linden: search is one
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: abuse is another
* [15:35] CPU Core: most games/score boards wont want to use display names
* [15:35] Jammers Inaka: Abuse will be the biggest though
* [15:35] Eddi Decosta: yeah abuse lol ... ^^^
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: we didn't want it to be another group titles thing that changes on a whim
* [15:35] Moy Loon: I could imagine how annoy'd people would be if you typo, and have to wait a week
* [15:35] Eddi Decosta: i cant do my griefer o aditi with that damn :(
* [15:35] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
* [15:35] Eddi Decosta: lol
* [15:35] Moy Loon: You should just charge people to change names sooner, Make money with it ;)
* [15:35] Techwolf Lupindo: RGP players are still going to have to make a buch of accoutns to play a few charaters, even with display names, still can't chage it without chagning accouts.
* [15:35] Eddi Decosta: caugh 
* [15:35] Fred Gandt: Slightly off topic but of personal interest to me at least....How long before V1.23.5 dies completely? I really don't want to change.
* [15:36] Alexandrea Fride: 10l$ per name good idea :p
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: not sure Fred
* [15:36] Fred Gandt: kk ty
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: when I know I'll let you know
* [15:36] Alexandrea Fride: shouldend realy be using 1.23 annymore :/
* [15:36] Eddi Decosta: no a protect case to protect the existing username resident 
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: I'm not super excited to change just yet
* [15:36] Eddi Decosta: 
* [15:36] Moundsa Mayo: That wouldn't cover teh developoment cost of pusing rapid changes to other systems
* [15:36] Monty Linden: is using 1.23 right now...
* [15:36] Alexandrea Fride: bad linden :p
* [15:36] Fred Gandt: mhmm ;-)
* [15:36] Alexandrea Fride: got to give the example :p
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: is on 1.23
* [15:37] Kira Wolkenberg: ROFL
* [15:37] Flynn Tigerpaw: 2.x still needs improvement
* [15:37] Fred Gandt: \o/
* [15:37] Alexandrea Fride: -.-
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: anyways
* [15:37] Moon Metty: 1.23 for me too :)
* [15:37] Eddi Decosta: Oskar, i understend you my friend lol
* [15:37] Base Diavolo: dont worry i took one for the team...
* [15:37] SHAMUS Carter: 1.23 jsut works
* [15:37] Base Diavolo: im on 2.1
* [15:37] Kaluura Boa: What? All the Lindens aren't on V2?
* [15:37] Eddi Decosta: im on emerald ^^
* [15:37] TankMaster Finesmith: if they keep the standard 60 day deal after 2.1 came out, 1.23 will be blocked end of sept
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: please direct ALL Display Names to Kelly
* [15:37] Jammers Inaka: << emerald and love it
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: and tell him I sent you
* [15:37] Moy Loon: I've been using 1.24 for over a year now :(
* [15:37] Kitto Flora: If 1.23 goes, try Imprudence
* [15:37] CPU Core: if i was being paid to use v2 i would
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: now where did I put kelly's home phone number...
* [15:37] Eddi Decosta: what, i need to blame Kelly for that idia? lol
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: do you have it handy simon?
* [15:37] Alexandrea Fride: iv been on v2 since it came out, never changed back
* [15:38] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:38] SHAMUS Carter: snow 1.4 ;-)
* [15:38] Fred Gandt: Eeep...poor Kelly.
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: in other news, we are closing Teen Second Life
* [15:38] Jammers Inaka: Kelly is going to get the brunt force of this
* [15:38] Alexandrea Fride: just a mather of getting used to :)
* [15:38] Kira Wolkenberg: Imprudence is cool, build math works charms on things. but I am surprised that V2 isn't the defacto standard for Lindens
* [15:38] Base Diavolo: does that mean we are going to be seeing teens in adult SL?
* [15:38] Eddi Decosta: closing Community gateway to ^^
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: Teen Second Life or TSL is being merged
* [15:38] Jammers Inaka: OK, question about that.. does that mean teen SL is merging with the Main grid?
* [15:38] Alexandrea Fride: [21:36:53
* [15:38] Jammers Inaka: ok.. answered that then
* [15:38] Ima Mechanique: Any reasons you can tell us about Oskar?
* [15:38] Alexandrea Fride: ;)
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: the barriers separating teens from the main grid are being removed
* [15:38] Base Diavolo: time to pull stakes
* [15:38] Base Diavolo: and relocate
* [15:38] Kitto Flora: Alecandrea is the first I've hera that is actually uing 2.x, and seems to like it
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: if you are over 16yo you can be moved to the main grid
* [15:39] Ima Mechanique: well no surprise there Oskar ;-)
* [15:39] Fred Gandt: No separate grid but instead resricted regions? What about groups etc?
* [15:39] Alexandrea Fride: kidding me right?
* [15:39] Eddi Decosta: Oskar, i dont know why .. lol
* [15:39] Base Diavolo: when that happens im out
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: from a support and QA and Dev pov it's a huge relief
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: supporting a split grid is a headache
* [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: when will the accounts start merging into the main grid?
* [15:39] Alexandrea Fride: what about -16 years old?
* [15:39] Alexandrea Fride: they cant use sl annymore..
* [15:39] Moy Loon: They get axed
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: I don't know TankMaster
* [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: ok
* [15:39] SHAMUS Carter: the loss of the orientation islands is a mistake i dont knwo abotu you but i do not wan noobs poping up iun the middel of a consert not havign a clue how to do anything
* [15:39] Jammers Inaka: wow... sux for them
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: under 16's accounts will get held until they can prove they are over 16
* [15:39] Eddi Decosta: honestly i think ll need to keep the clear ruls and do a rate for 16+ only 
* [15:39] Oskar Linden: so they better grow up fast ;-)
* [15:40] TankMaster Finesmith: :D
* [15:40] Alexandrea Fride: lol isent that pointless?
* [15:40] Alexandrea Fride: you dont need age verivied to sighnup
* [15:40] Alexandrea Fride: -typos
* [15:40] Kitto Flora: Will the old teen grid regions appear on the main grid?
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: and suddenly half the emerald development team is legal to be on maingrid ;-)
* [15:40] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [15:40] TankMaster Finesmith: LOL
* [15:40] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:40] Moy Loon: I can't think of anyone on the emerald team that I know, that's under 18
* [15:40] SHAMUS Carter: now now play nice
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: TSL regions will be added to main grid
* [15:40] Jammers Inaka: Bad Oskar
* [15:40] Moy Loon: Cryo was, But he's long gone
* [15:40] Oskar Linden: apologizes for making teen humor
* [15:41] Ima Mechanique: well the average age went up with Qarl joining
* [15:41] Base Diavolo: -spits!-
* [15:41] Eddi Decosta: caugh, tester included? lol
* [15:41] Alexandrea Fride: TSL?
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: I tease I tease!
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: Teen Second Life
* [15:41] Alexandrea Fride: for those under -16?
* [15:41] Alexandrea Fride: or 16+
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: will be very happy when he can fully remove teen testing from the server smoke test
* [15:41] Fred Gandt: Since the maturity settings for defined adult etc it is fairly safe to say what to expect wherever you go so it makes sense to open things up.
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: but poor Teen Tester
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: oh, and PG Tester
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: and Immature Tester
* [15:41] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: *sigh* they were good accounts
* [15:41] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:42] Jammers Inaka: We will have to make a nice Funural for them XD
* [15:42] Alexandrea Fride: agreed
* [15:42] Alexandrea Fride: :p
* [15:42] Rex Cronon: r u going 2 provide toys 4 them when they get 2 main:)
* [15:42] Monty Linden: bury them with all the other lindens :-(
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: toys eh?
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: no. I will not
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: unless they want to be in QA
* [15:43] Bronson Blackadder: ok if everyone thinks about it, 16 and 17 year olds can go to a movie theatre and pretty much see crap thats far worse then whats in SL
* [15:43] Ima Mechanique: they can go to Excite for their toys, like everyone else lol
* [15:43] Moundsa Mayo: Some of them will be very useful in QA.
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: and they will not be allowed on A rated regions until they are 18
* [15:43] Base Diavolo: i call bullshit
* [15:43] Kitto Flora: Maybe I can sell em toy trains :)
* [15:43] Alexandrea Fride: true Bronson
* [15:43] Base Diavolo: i see kids coming into welcome areas ona caily basis
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: or maybe they have to stay on PG regions... I forget
* [15:43] Base Diavolo: on a daily*
* [15:43] Moy Loon: What about Mature?
* [15:43] Base Diavolo: and they see porn right off the bat
* [15:43] Moy Loon: I'd like for the kiddies to just stay on PG land
* [15:43] Base Diavolo: i dont remember seeing porn in any theater around ehre
* [15:43] Kira Wolkenberg: Well Wait Oskar, some RP sim groups are Mature rated and you can have Rapings and so forth
* [15:43] Bronson Blackadder: it would be great if they were restricted to PG sims
* [15:43] SHAMUS Carter: eep most of the main grid is mature
* [15:43] Moon Metty: SVC-6198
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: yeah
* [15:43] Issue Helper: [#SVC-6198
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-6198
* [15:43] Kira Wolkenberg: shouldn't Teens only be on the PG only
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: it'll probably be PG regions only
* [15:44] SHAMUS Carter: as pg is to restrictive
* [15:44] Alexandrea Fride: lol Moon -.-
* [15:44] Jammers Inaka: haha
* [15:44] Jammers Inaka: leave it to moon to find that
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: I'll keep you all updated as I know more
* [15:44] Moon Metty: fresh from the press lol
* [15:44] Moundsa Mayo: Base, if they have EVER used the Internet, they've seen plenty of porn already.
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: 16 minutes left
* [15:44] Base Diavolo: right, im used to that argument
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: there is a question in Any Other Business
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: "What is status of being able to set maximum script memory usage? "
* [15:44] Moundsa Mayo: it's a fact, not an argument.
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: Simon?
* [15:45] Base Diavolo: that doesnt make it right or okay to provide it here, thats just an excuse not to take care of the problem
* [15:45] Fred Gandt: 15 mins? So how would you say having Philip back is going ?
* [15:45] Base Diavolo: and a sad one at that
* [15:45] Simon Linden: that's somewhere in the murky future
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: this was always Philip's company
* [15:45] Moy Loon: There's also a difference between a kid looking for porn, and someone who starts hitting on them without them knowing they're under aged
* [15:45] Moy Loon: The second would be a lawsuit =p
* [15:45] Alexandrea Fride: +1
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: it is nice having a charismatic front man
* [15:45] Base Diavolo: thats another big issue right there
* [15:45] Fred Gandt: Of course
* [15:45] Ima Mechanique: is Mono 2.6 got a definite road map yet?
* [15:45] Barry Hoch: easy solution ban all the teenagers
* [15:45] Alexandrea Fride: Moy stay of the coffee :)
* [15:45] Barry Hoch: :)
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: no Ima
* [15:46] SHAMUS Carter: no mono fix yet?
* [15:46] SHAMUS Carter: aww
* [15:46] Eddi Decosta: hmmm, coffeee
* [15:46] CPU Core: will it be possible to ban all teens from a sim then?
* [15:46] Barry Hoch: teengrid was a bad idea from day one
* [15:46] Flynn Tigerpaw: I'll have to upgrade some old content for display names and would like to change small scripts from LSL to mono
* [15:46] Moy Loon: Right now, since SL is 18+, and if someone is under 18, you have no way of knowing, as you expect everyone to be 18+, but when you mix kids in with it, it becomes dangerous!
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: no road map for mono. we're considering a monorail. this travelling salesman is giving us a GREAT deal
* [15:46] Alexandrea Fride: true a setting to not allow -18 would be nice
* [15:46] Base Diavolo: lol
* [15:46] Jammers Inaka: lol Oskar
* [15:46] Flynn Tigerpaw: and would have to have them chew up 64k and have to upgrade again later
* [15:47] Bronson Blackadder: omg omg this will just force people to use some common sense
* [15:47] Moy Loon: If they restrict kids to PG only, then it'd be pretty easy to ban all the kids, just make it mature/higher
* [15:47] Kitto Flora: Oskar - Only L$850 to you!
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: maybe we can restrict kids to heights under 50m
* [15:47] Monty Linden: monorail unable to cross regions....
* [15:47] Barry Hoch: unless they lie about their age
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: then all the odler kids can be in sexy slyboxes
* [15:47] Ima Mechanique: Alexandrea, there is a setting it's A for Adult
* [15:47] Kira Wolkenberg: or make a new grid rating. PG, Teen, Mature, Adult
* [15:47] Moy Loon: That wouldn't work, Because people like flying dumb vehicles in SL
* [15:47] Kitto Flora: L$1250 if you want border crossing
* [15:47] SHAMUS Carter: no no hight restrictiosn are usless
* [15:47] Rex Cronon: how would u know who the kids r? u have esp:)
* [15:47] SHAMUS Carter: in fact they schould eb removed
* [15:48] Base Diavolo: i got it! simple fix!
* [15:48] SHAMUS Carter: im sick of the unasisted flight height
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: I would ask them 80's pop culture trivia
* [15:48] Base Diavolo: no account can enter adult regioin till it is 1 year old or 2
* [15:48] Bronson Blackadder: lol
* [15:48] Alexandrea Fride: wel yeah but if they are smart they can overide the setting in client.. (i think)
* [15:48] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:48] IzzieBellah Hinterland: easier now to weed out the pervs, they'll be hanging around the PG regions
* [15:48] Fred Gandt: Speaking of heights...Has it ever been seriously considered to allow boundaries to be set at heights? Like no entry above X high...?
* [15:48] Base Diavolo: w/e the age of entry is..make them wait that long..regardless of whether theyre a real adult or not
* [15:48] Moy Loon: I would say put a marker in their profile saying that they're underaged, but that could be used as advertising, and if there's no marker, then you're unaware that they could be under 18
* [15:48] Flynn Tigerpaw: will the flight height restriction ever get removed? that will get rid of flight scripts
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: Name three 80's bands that start with the letter 'B'
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: you have 10 seconds
* [15:48] Alexandrea Fride: Moy wouldend be a good idea... :/
* [15:48] Fred Gandt: Bananarama
* [15:49] Base Diavolo: bon jovi
* [15:49] Alexandrea Fride: bether not to reveal that data
* [15:49] Maestro Linden: B52s of course
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: fred is over 18
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: so is base
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: and maestro
* [15:49] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:49] Alexandrea Fride: sure?
* [15:49] Alexandrea Fride: :p
* [15:49] Bronson Blackadder: give them a name / display /name
* [15:49] Kitto Flora: There were bands in the 80s?
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: the rest of you are all getting flagged as kids
* [15:49] Moundsa Mayo: Oskar, I can't do that and I'm DECADES older than 16.
* [15:49] Alexandrea Fride: yay
* [15:49] Bronson Blackadder: red name tag
* [15:49] Latif Khalifa: Bananarama :P
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: beastie boys
* [15:49] Kira Wolkenberg: lol
* [15:49] Base Diavolo: heh
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: black flag
* [15:49] Latif Khalifa: Berlin
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: black sabbath
* [15:49] Alexandrea Fride: im actuly playing a kid on main grid so :P
* [15:49] Barry Hoch: it would be nice if sims that are PG cannot show the content of Mature or Adult sim at the boundaries
* [15:49] Moon Metty: beethoven
* [15:49] Bronson Blackadder: yeah thats it under 18 accounts get a red lettered name tag
* [15:49] Base Diavolo: O.o
* [15:49] Jammers Inaka: Name tags are usueless as in Emerald you can change tag color
* [15:50] Latif Khalifa: Black Sabbath was before 80s oscar lol
* [15:50] Ima Mechanique: not fair Oskar, I was drunk most of the 80s
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: we render under 18's default skin texture as plywood
* [15:50] Bronson Blackadder: ok thats great for emerald
* [15:50] Rex Cronon: memorization of 80's bands is everybodys favorite past time:)
* [15:50] Jammers Inaka: LOL OSkar
* [15:50] Ima Mechanique: and I cetainly didn't listen to the bands then
* [15:50] Bronson Blackadder: but not ec=very viewer sees what emerald is broadcasting
* [15:50] SHAMUS Carter: ruth 2.0
* [15:50] Jammers Inaka: True.. but i use emerald 90% of the time as does alot fo people so we would not see the red name tags
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: anyways, enough 80's talk
* [15:51] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: 9 minutes left. what's next
* [15:51] Base Diavolo: the 80's never happened
* [15:51] CPU Core: you could give all teens halos
* [15:51] Latif Khalifa: turns 40 in two weeks ;)
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: gives moy the floor :-D
* [15:51] Bronson Blackadder: well sounds like its something that needs to get coded into emerald
* [15:51] CPU Core: so they behave like little angels
* [15:51] Base Diavolo: it was a pigment of someone's pixelization
* [15:51] Bronson Blackadder: lolololol
* [15:51] Maestro Linden: I just bugged Kelly about mono 2.6. He said it's coming soon. I'd bug him in his OH for more details :)
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: 'soon'
* [15:51] IzzieBellah Hinterland: Boston
* [15:51] Alexandrea Fride: soon is still long :p
* [15:51] Latif Khalifa: "any day now"
* [15:51] TankMaster Finesmith: 'soon next year'
* [15:51] Ima Mechanique: thanks Maestro
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: SOON = Sometime... Or Otherwise Not
* [15:51] SHAMUS Carter: soon as in befor SVC-22 ?
* [15:51] Issue Helper: [#SVC-22
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-22 
* [15:51] Ima Mechanique: when ARE his OH?
* [15:51] Jammers Inaka: Soon could mean 10 yrs from now
* [15:51] Maestro Linden: nah, it seemed 1.44ish
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: Kelly's OH is Monday at 9AM
* [15:52] Moy Loon: What's that Oskar? llCastRay is comming into the maingrid on the next pilot?
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: I just don't know where
* [15:52] Moy Loon: Awesome!
* [15:52] SHAMUS Carter: yes llCastRay rocks
* [15:52] Ima Mechanique: hmm a bit early but I'll try
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: why yes Moy
* [15:52] Moy Loon: Tell Falcon I said thanks!
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: it certainly isn't
* [15:52] Fred Gandt: Parcel full does indeed kill vehicles. The kick off is really nasty sometimes too
* [15:52] Moon Metty: oops
* [15:52] Kaluura Boa: Boom!
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: you guys sure are quiet now
* [15:53] metaVOTER: Thank: you for your vote
* [15:53] TankMaster Finesmith: :)
* [15:53] Simon Linden: Oskar - you can always bring up megaprims
* [15:53] Fred Gandt: I could ask about vehicles till the end of days...shall I?
* [15:54] Flynn Tigerpaw: why are there flight height restrictions?
* [15:54] Ima Mechanique: I'm mostly quiet ;-)
* [15:54] Jammers Inaka: Though Moy was going to say somehing of imporance
* [15:54] SHAMUS Carter: yes moy
* [15:54] CPU Core: I wonder how easy it would be for a person to change display names to another avatars partners name and trck them into doing things like handing over pictures
* [15:54] Base Diavolo: I'm torn between filling a sim then trying to fly in and wiking llcastray
* [15:54] CPU Core: before they realise
* [15:54] Latif Khalifa: or more groups than 25 ;)
* [15:54] Oskar Linden: so megaprims, hot and heavy, or not so nice?
* [15:54] Jammers Inaka: grr... letter T
* [15:54] Latif Khalifa: invaluable
* [15:54] Barry Hoch: lag generators
* [15:54] Barry Hoch: :)
* [15:54] Latif Khalifa: lol
* [15:54] Kira Wolkenberg: Megas, would be nice... so too would be 50 groups max
* [15:54] Bronson Blackadder: would love to see scalable prims to 20x20x20
* [15:54] Techwolf Lupindo: ears perk up at "T:
* [15:55] Base Diavolo: more groups! oooh! that'd be killer..
* [15:55] Ima Mechanique: the lower end ofMega are useful.
* [15:55] SHAMUS Carter: mega prims do nto generat lag iof anythign the reduce client side lag siginictly
* [15:55] Kaluura Boa: 32x32x32 That's more round
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: for those keeping track of my personal life I got the keys to my first home last friday
* [15:55] Latif Khalifa: pfft 20^3 would solve nothing
* [15:55] Base Diavolo: omg! congrats!!!
* [15:55] TankMaster Finesmith: yay for megaprims!
* [15:55] Rex Cronon: 256^3:)
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: I have broken in the LAN party room already
* [15:55] Moon Metty: oh congrats Oskar :)
* [15:55] Ilana Debevec: megas 64x64x64, nice power of 8
* [15:55] Fred Gandt: Grats Oskar.
* [15:55] CPU Core: I think display names may end up seeing the first claims of actual rape in SL :)
* [15:55] Barry Hoch: dont they mess up sim crossings?
* [15:55] Kira Wolkenberg: congratz Oskar
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: I think it's big enough for 16 player games
* [15:55] Liisa Runo: <DEBUG_CHANNEL,DEBUG_CHANNEL,DEBUG_CHANNEL>
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: with room for cheerleaders
* [15:55] Base Diavolo: now you hafta get one of those welcoem mats made that has your ip on it! xD
* [15:55] Jammers Inaka: yaya @ Oskar
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: I know! I want the 127.0.0.1 one
* [15:55] Base Diavolo: and NAIL it to the porch!
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: but it's sold out :-(
* [15:55] Base Diavolo: >:o
* [15:55] Base Diavolo: awww!
* [15:56] SHAMUS Carter: all prims have issues on sim crossing not just megas
* [15:56] Barry Hoch: ::1 ?
* [15:56] Barry Hoch: :)
* [15:56] SHAMUS Carter: thew solution is to have one prim in one sim thew pther pri in the other
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: I have been attempting to figure out the electrical wiring
* [15:56] Kitto Flora: Too many knob and post?
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: I have no clue what is going where
* [15:56] Ima Mechanique: black is negative Oskar ;-)
* [15:56] Base Diavolo: hehe
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: oh and in the attack I found an antenna
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: fully mounted and connected
* [15:57] Jammers Inaka: New homes are fun Oskar... i moved a the beginning of thi year.
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: did people used to do that?
* [15:57] Bronson Blackadder: oh hell just wire up a dedicated line from the box to your LAN room
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: put antennas inside the roof?
* [15:57] Fred Gandt: Sure
* [15:57] Moundsa Mayo: yup
* [15:57] Monty Linden: attic?
* [15:57] Kitto Flora: YEah if you are near the TX
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: it had 30 years of dust on it
* [15:57] Ima Mechanique: attack?
* [15:57] Base Diavolo: tow
* [15:57] Base Diavolo: YOW even
* [15:57] Kitto Flora: Seattle TV is just on north side of town
* [15:57] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: it's at the far end of a short attic, so it wasn't put there for storage
* [15:58] Techwolf Lupindo: Oskar, dispite what the salles droids will tell you, that antenna is still good for digitial tvs.
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: true Kitto!
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: I get like 25 HD channels over the air
* [15:58] Kitto Flora: Channles $, 5, 7?
* [15:58] Kitto Flora: 4
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: oh yeah, I didn't buy a new antenna
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: 4, 4.1, 5, 5.1, 7, 7.1, 9.1, 9.2, 9.3, 11, 11.1
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: on and on
* [15:58] Moy Loon: One of my laptops came with a fancy 'HD" antenna, and it works worse than a meter or so of buswire
* [15:59] SHAMUS Carter: over the air is daed
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: over the air is def not dead
* [15:59] Fred Gandt: Wait....They let you have free time at LL? I dunno about that. *scowls*
* [15:59] Kitto Flora: YEah 9 pbs and 11, and 13 from Tacomabush?
* [15:59] Simon Linden: it's retro, and free :)
* [15:59] Techwolf Lupindo: The over the air HD channels are far better then any cable server you can get.
* [15:59] Jammers Inaka: I watch t.v on the itnerent.. screw antennas
* [15:59] IzzieBellah Hinterland: my attic had one of those things in it too, i thought it as for drying laundry
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: if I can get more than 20 HD channels and don't need cable it isn't dead
* [15:59] Bronson Blackadder: waves to kitto from aberdeen
* [15:59] Base Diavolo: lol
* [15:59] Base Diavolo: laundry....
* [15:59] Base Diavolo: in attic
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: where you at kitto?
* [15:59] Base Diavolo: xD
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: lives in the Lynn Hood
* [16:00] Kitto Flora: waves to Bronson across the water
* [16:00] Bronson Blackadder: I used to live in Northgate
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: oh yeah and Obama was outside the Seattle office on Tuesday
* [16:00] Rex Cronon: as long as your roof is not covered in metal u can han an antena in yout attic:)
* [16:00] Jammers Inaka: lol, now their gonna hunt you down Oskar
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: closed down most of this area
* [16:00] Kitto Flora: Heh - I am in California. But I know Seattle
* [16:00] Alexandrea Fride: you wherent there :p
* [16:00] Base Diavolo: Cali! ^^
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: I stayed home
* [16:00] Base Diavolo: <3
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: guys who look like I do and drive a truck that lokos like mine do get EXTRA special secret service attention
* [16:01] Bronson Blackadder: Obama forcing change on LL now?
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: I stayed 16 miles north
* [16:01] Base Diavolo: Humboldt County, CA
* [16:01] Alexandrea Fride: lol
* [16:01] Jammers Inaka: LOL
* [16:01] Bronson Blackadder: Change
* [16:01] Bronson Blackadder: no
* [16:01] Bronson Blackadder: change it backl
* [16:01] Base Diavolo: 420 mi. and counting
* [16:01] Techwolf Lupindo: How many biicycles did the police deparment steal this time? (NYC stole over 1,000 bisysbles during Obama visit)
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: but the girl who makes me a sandwich at the bakery made one for Obama
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: so that is my claim to fame
* [16:01] Base Diavolo: heh
* [16:01] SHAMUS Carter: shakes his head at how sidetracked this meattign has goon
* [16:01] Bronson Blackadder: lol
* [16:01] Base Diavolo: did you have the Obamawich?
* [16:01] Base Diavolo: lol
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: and now ever since then EVERYONE wants to order a Turkey Chutney sandwich
* [16:02] Jammers Inaka: lol
* [16:02] IzzieBellah Hinterland: it's only a claim if he ate what you eat
* [16:02] Oskar Linden: they are getting sick of making the Obama special
* [16:02] Bronson Blackadder: chutney rocks
* [16:02] Fred Gandt: Look like you do? *mind boggles*
* [16:02] Simon Linden: I'm bailing out folks, virtual paperwork to do...
* [16:02] SHAMUS Carter: so what time will to rolol be?
* [16:02] Oskar Linden: their turkey chutney sandwich is pretty awesome
* [16:02] Alexandrea Fride: tc Simon :)
* [16:02] Rex Cronon: tc simon
* [16:02] Base Diavolo: TC Simon
* [16:02] Moon Metty: see you tomorrow Simon :)
* [16:02] Simon Linden: thanks all for coming, see you next time
* [16:02] Ima Mechanique: bye Simon
* [16:02] Simon Linden: bye
* [16:02] Base Diavolo: tyty for bein here
* [16:02] SHAMUS Carter: take care simion