Adult Content User Group/11/07/2011

==Attendees List==
*?????-----o-----????? (?????-----o-----?????)
*Ann Otoole (ann.otoole)
*Black (black)
*clio61 (clio61)
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*Evelynn Kidd (evelynn.kidd)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*JeZeBeLe Dagger (jezebele.dagger)
*Luh (luh)
*Nal (nal)
*Qie (qie)
*Silvanus (silvanus)
*Viale Linden (viale.linden)
*Zada Bury (zada.bury)
==Transcript for Monday November 7, 2011==
[10:06]	Zada Bury 	Heya Ann ... long time not seen
[10:06]	Ann Otoole 	hello
[10:06]	Qie 	greetings Viale
[10:06]	Zada Bury 	Ah, welocme Viale.
[10:06]	Innula Zenovka 	Hi, Viale
[10:06]	Silvanus 	Hi Viale
[10:06]	Viale Linden 	Hi everyone
[10:06]	Innula Zenovka 	Hi, Ann
[10:06]	Counter Landfall 	hi Viale
[10:07]	Black 	I'm curious about one thing, I left a proposal last week on the agenda and it was removed as I go to find it out, any reason?
[10:07]	Black 	out=now
[10:08]	Viale Linden 	I did receive it. For agenda items - please send them to community@lindenlab.com
[10:08]	Viale Linden 	I did respond to you via email
[10:08]	Black 	great, just wanted to make sure because I only have a couple of notes from it, just not the full post :)
[10:08]	Black 	oh
[10:09]	Viale Linden 	I thought that agenda item was perfect for the Adult fourm general discussion area
[10:09]	Viale Linden 	Ok - since that was the only agenda item sent. I dont have much to report
[10:09]	Viale Linden 	Good news
[10:10]	Viale Linden 	We finalized the agreement with Freedom Continent
[10:10]	Viale Linden 	They will be launching soon
[10:10]	Viale Linden 	In the near future
[10:10]	Viale Linden 	Look for news from the freedom continent as this is a resident led project
[10:11]	Viale Linden 	Black - did you want to address your item to the group here?
[10:11]	Black 	sure
[10:12]	Viale Linden 	go ahead
[10:12]	Black 	it had a number of parts to it but in general, the first part was to develop a learning center
[10:12]	Black 	it's too bad my post isn't available online
[10:12]	Luh 	teaching about which toppic in general?
[10:12]	Black 	building/mesh/scuplty development as well as scripting
[10:12]	Viale Linden 	I can post here
[10:12]	Black 	let me find some of what I took notes on
[10:12]	Black 	great
[10:12]	Viale Linden 	one sec
[10:12]	Black 	that would help :)
[10:13]	Black 	that was part #1
[10:13]	Luh 	besides scripting, most of these task kinda left SL ... you can't built inworlds. Mesh
[10:13]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	hello :D
[10:13]	Black 	you can because I created a product to do so
[10:13]	Zada Bury 	((Heya Jez))
[10:13]	Viale Linden 	You may want to repost it to the general discussion in the adult foum
[10:13]	Luh 	now I am all ears :D
[10:13]	Viale Linden 	Proposal: To grow Zindra through the support of (1) a Zindra Builders group to promote, orchestrate and encourage user participation through regular speed builds, show and tells and scripting and mesh creation lectures at Zindra Vortex; effectively transforming it into a one of a kind learning center, (2) GridWide Photo-Sharing using the PixQuix HUD allowing any resident to freely share and view fashion and event photos and contest winners across the entirety of Second Life both within their viewer and by slideshow at various locations around Zindra, (3) the promotion of a Zindra Trending group to encourage group chat discussion of themed trends, fashion show events and ongoing sponsored hunts and (4) the use and promotion of Facade to further trending as the most advanced Midnight Mania-styled game board created to allow residents to teleport directly from board to board, store to store (removing the need for owners to group spam locations) throughout the Zindra continent to effectively encourage business g
[10:14]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	We're teaching building in private adult sims all the time
[10:14]	Luh 	I would be in for the LSL part
[10:14]	Black 	there are many aspects to building
[10:14]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	the problem with public sandboxes is the location of the classes. they should technically be in skyplatforms due to the impact of otherbuilders on the gloor
[10:14]	Black 	sculpty and mesh included
[10:14]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	floor
[10:15]	Luh 	don't call it floor ... call it the battle zone
[10:15]	Black 	now as of part #2
[10:15]	Viale Linden 	Agree - public sandbozes are public
[10:15]	Zada Bury 	((WElcome to Apocalipto, Nal and Yahhoi ... take a seat, as long they are fresh ...))
[10:15]	Viale Linden 	and should not be monopolized by one set of residents
[10:15]	Black 	well, sticking with part #1 then
[10:15]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	i ran the school at Fermi Sandbox and at Sensual stoneworks for a while and at some point the access changes when the sim becomes too active with non participating avatars who are at the sandboxes to build as well.
[10:15]	Black 	it's not like classes are happening 24/7
[10:15]	Black 	and there would be more emphasis placed on classes however
[10:16]	Black 	and building contests and many things that attract new members
[10:16]	Viale Linden 	Black - maybe some Residents would like to help you with this project
[10:16]	Black 	if you want ot encourage growth in the adult continent, you have to appeal to a wide range of users
[10:16]	Black 	that's fine
[10:16]	Counter Landfall 	why don't you just announce it in the forums?
[10:16]	Black 	the bottom line though
[10:17]	Black 	I am looking for a location in secondlife to teach
[10:17]	Viale Linden 	We are encouraging growth by using the destination guide forums
[10:17]	Black 	many advanced topics as well
[10:17]	Viale Linden 	and forums
[10:17]	Viale Linden 	You dont need LL for that
[10:17]	Counter Landfall 	so are you looking for free land Black beyond the sandboxes?
[10:17]	Black 	that is true, but I see this as an opportunity to help the adult community as well
[10:17]	Black 	you'll see this in the following points
[10:17]	Qie 	maybe the Freedom Continent folks would be interested in that, if it drew enough traffic.
[10:18]	Counter Landfall 	good idea Qie
[10:18]	Viale Linden 	However, it is not very easy for LL to pick one resident over others for free land
[10:18]	Innula Zenovka 	very good point, Qie
[10:18]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	freedom continent has like 4 sims that have ongoing classes
[10:18]	Black 	then that would be great
[10:18]	Black 	it doesnt have to be the vortex of course
[10:19]	Black 	I've created both sculptors and mesh creation tools (two mesh creation tools)
[10:19]	Viale Linden 	How is the forum going
[10:19]	Black 	short of going to other programs ..there is as opportunity to bring it back to SL
[10:19]	?????-----o-----?????	there is plenty of different organizations teaching those topics in SL already
[10:19]	clio61 	hi
[10:19]	Viale Linden 	Yes, Imaze
[10:20]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	theres always a need for more. Ive noticed huge attendance at midnight which is early morning UK time.
[10:20]	Viale Linden 	I wanted to check in on traffic to the adult regions?
[10:20]	clio61 	i ant a new sharpe but i have no lindens
[10:20]	Counter Landfall 	except for the informational aspect of this, and I am sure everyone in this meeting encourage such initiatives, I am not sure what you are asking LL or this meeting to resolve Black?
[10:20]	Black 	Not asking to resolve anything?
[10:21]	Black 	I want to put in place a learning center as part #1 of my proposal
[10:21]	Counter Landfall 	just do it
[10:21]	Black 	something that can bridge the gap between PG/Mature individuals and the Adult world
[10:21]	Viale Linden 	Black - I think the forums could be a good place to initiate that discussion
[10:21]	Black 	well, who ultimately decides?
[10:21]	Luh 	all about the money, or lack of it
[10:21]	Viale Linden 	Decides what?
[10:21]	Innula Zenovka 	whoever wants to give you the land, if anyone does
[10:21]	Ann Otoole 	NCI is a good model to look at. They have probably the longest running SL edu center in SL and it does well.
[10:22]	Black 	if this could be done
[10:22]	Black 	the vortex right now
[10:22]	Viale Linden 	Well it is not a LL decision.
[10:22]	Viale Linden 	Not on vortex
[10:22]	Black 	is just sitting there and I've approached Ginette constantly
[10:22]	Viale Linden 	That is public
[10:22]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	Ann I agree and they are a network being that they have infastructure facilities throughout sims like caledon. Aces has 25 sims and groups in its education network its doing really well. and its adult
[10:22]	Black 	that's why I am here now, I see that it has a lot of potential
[10:23]	Counter Landfall 	so do you say you dont get access to Vortex for resources?
[10:23]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	we have 30 to 60 classes a week
[10:23]	Black 	exactly, so short of just starting one somewhere else
[10:23]	Black 	I saw this as a perfect opportunity and not just for this
[10:23]	Luh 	mwt the right place
[10:24]	Black 	I have 2 other community building products
[10:24]	Black 	1 that allows for a photo exchange via a HUD
[10:24]	Black 	and another that is a fully networked MM machine that can grow the adult community
[10:24]	Black 	let me show you an example
[10:24]	Black 	and you can click on the board for a notecard explaining it
[10:24]	Black 	(so i dont have to type) :)
[10:24]	Viale Linden 	I would seek interest on the forums as someone may want to partner with you
[10:24]	Counter Landfall 	ok Black, what exactly is it you ask this meeting to help you with?
[10:25]	Black 	well, I can handle this myself
[10:25]	Black 	these products are complete
[10:25]	Innula Zenovka 	I think the point is, Black, that you need to find someone with some land who wants to work with you on this
[10:25]	Black 	Facade was completed over a year ago or more
[10:25]	Black 	innula, correct, that's why I'm here, I havent looked elsewhere because I see this as the opportunity
[10:25]	Black 	if it is something that would be support by the adult community, it's here and complete
[10:25]	Innula Zenovka 	and if you explain it in the forums, someone might very well read it and want to partner with you
[10:26]	Black 	please click on the board for information of how this works, as a means to attract new traffic to the adult grid and grow businesses
[10:26]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	I have a neutral zone area that can be used as a classroom in the freedom continent if anyone needs the space contact me privately.
[10:26]	Counter Landfall 	If you send me a note, I will send it ti the Zindra Allinace group
[10:26]	Counter Landfall 	then they can contact you if interested
[10:26]	Viale Linden 	Thats a good idea counter
[10:26]	Black 	ok
[10:27]	Black 	my intention was to provide this at no cost for the opportunity again, to develop a learning center and teach but, if you have other plans for the vortex and what not
[10:27]	Black 	then that's fine, in my thinking, you can only hold so many events
[10:27]	Black 	after awhile, you'll need products to support growth
[10:27]	Black 	and I am both capable of creating those products and teaching any advanced lessons that may interest residence
[10:28]	Black 	if you think you are confident enough if your direction, that's fine
[10:28]	Black 	however, this is something I am willing to provide now
[10:28]	?????-----o-----?????	your ideas are good , Black
[10:28]	Black 	ideas are one thing
[10:28]	Black 	you need someone to back them :)
[10:28]	Black 	ideas only go so far
[10:28]	Black 	and most people are not inspired by what SL offers
[10:28]	Black 	because they don't have the education
[10:28]	Viale Linden 	Ok anyother items? Black was the only person to send an agenda item
[10:28]	Luh 	idealism or ideas on their own are worthless.
[10:29]	Black 	and no one has a reason to come to the Adult side
[10:29]	Viale Linden 	Thanks Black
[10:29]	Black 	thanks
[10:29]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	if i see an adboard on the rooftop of a building in the maps i dont go to that region. thats what keeps me away.
[10:29]	Qie 	so... I noticed the old "Zindra" sim is now "Mosh South"... wondered if there are any plans for it. And for the four former ZEXPO sims, if those aren't part of the Freedom Continent plans.
[10:30]	Qie 	("no plans" is a fine answer, just idle curiousity)
[10:30]	Viale Linden 	Qie - The zindra Sims as you know were rather problematic
[10:30]	Zada Bury 	btw ... somehow I have miss the "Freedom Continent"-stuff ... only here just at the begin her. Some update for me?
[10:31]	Viale Linden 	As they placed linden as the decision maker for all adult events
[10:31]	Viale Linden 	It was also very barren
[10:31]	Qie 	yes, agreed
[10:31]	Viale Linden 	as of Friday, the Zindra Sim is not the #1 search for Zindra
[10:32]	Viale Linden 	This brings Resident led initiatives forward
[10:32]	Viale Linden 	Would it be a good idea to invite Freedom Continent to our next meeting to see what they have planned
[10:33]	Viale Linden 	Ok
[10:33]	Qie 	It would be great if they'd be interested.
[10:33]	Ann Otoole 	sure. let's hear their great plans :)
[10:33]	Viale Linden 	I also want to let everyone know that gateways exist on the destination guide
[10:33]	Ann Otoole 	what a huge commitment lol. much work ahead for them.
[10:33]	Viale Linden 	You can submit your own projects
[10:34]	Ann Otoole 	oh yes and the new 3.2 beta out has an improved dest guide right?
[10:34]	Viale Linden 	There are no monopolies on gateways
[10:34]	Counter Landfall 	while I think it is great there will be a gateway, it is equally important that we all work to market our venues and offerings regardless of that gateway
[10:34]	Viale Linden 	Yes
[10:34]	Counter Landfall 	we currently don't know anything about how we can be represented there
[10:34]	Viale Linden 	Agree counter
[10:34]	Luh 	avoid "freedom and democracy" to announce internationally. It sounds ... tainted
[10:35]	Counter Landfall 	it is tainted
[10:35]	Counter Landfall 	or contentious
[10:35]	Viale Linden 	If you have a good location to recommend. Have the region owner send their info to editor. More info can be found about the Destination Guide here
[10:36]	Viale Linden 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Resources_Portal
[10:36]	Innula Zenovka 	I know that Serjourn Daxter will welcome approaches from anyone who wants to work with her, Counter
[10:36]	Innula Zenovka 	cos i asked her
[10:36]	Counter Landfall 	good
[10:36]	Counter Landfall 	but it does not remove the need for efficient profiling in search for instance
[10:38]	Viale Linden 	You should try the age verification too. We now recommend adult content via email upon completion
[10:38]	Viale Linden 	Note that Adult content is not all sex.
[10:38]	Counter Landfall 	not sure I can verify again, it says I already am
[10:38]	Viale Linden 	right
[10:38]	Ann Otoole 	yea that is painless lol. i had to verify again because of some venue having adult verify on.
[10:38]	Viale Linden 	pls
[10:38]	Viale Linden 	hold
[10:39]	Viale Linden 	can yall see this
[10:39]	Counter Landfall 	What is the status on emails to the rest of the gen-pop?
[10:39]	Ann Otoole 	yup
[10:40]	?????-----o-----?????	yes
[10:40]	Innula Zenovka 	yes
[10:40]	Counter Landfall 	yes
[10:40]	Ann Otoole 	meet gay men in a grungy cali town lol. is that on battery street?
[10:40]	Viale Linden 	Counter - to answer your question. That email went out last week
[10:41]	Counter Landfall 	oh, great
[10:41]	Counter Landfall 	thanks
[10:41]	Innula Zenovka 	to whom, only? non-verified residents?
[10:41]	Silvanus 	I got it, for 1 AVA of me
[10:41]	Viale Linden 	Yes Lord
[10:41]	Ann Otoole 	go verify and see. takes like 1 second now lol
[10:42]	Qie 	oh, this is a *huge* improvement. God, if only this had been in place when the Zindra migration happened.
[10:42]	Ann Otoole 	hahahahahah indeed
[10:42]	Counter Landfall 	did you see any uptick in veriifcations after the email message went out?
[10:42]	Innula Zenovka 	sorry, i'm confused... has something gone out to existing residents who haven't yet verified, suggesting they might want to, or just to new accounts?
[10:42]	Viale Linden 	Yes
[10:43]	Viale Linden 	Innula
[10:43]	Luh 	good!
[10:43]	Viale Linden 	We went to active users that had not age verified
[10:43]	Viale Linden 	very good response
[10:43]	Viale Linden 	for an email
[10:43]	Counter Landfall 	glad to hear :-)
[10:43]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks for the clarification, only.. so the active users who hadn't yet verified got the second one you showed us
[10:44]	Viale Linden 	right
[10:44]	Counter Landfall 	well done!
[10:44]	Viale Linden 	If they verified, they get the content
[10:44]	Innula Zenovka 	great.. thank you
[10:44]	Nal 	Any numbers on how many went out and how many responded?
[10:44]	Viale Linden 	I think we did it in an elegant fashion
[10:44]	Silvanus 	seems that using a credit card is a verification too, cause I got the E-Mail only for the AVA who uses paypal only
[10:45]	Viale Linden 	Silvanus - credit cards do not equal age verified
[10:45]	Silvanus 	thank you, so maybe I missed one of the E-Mails
[10:45]	Ann Otoole 	well not for venues that select age verified only. you have to av to get in there regardless of cc info.
[10:45]	Innula Zenovka 	it goes by the date of birth you give when you create the account, I think, Silvanus.. I've verified an alt without putting her on my paypal or credit card
[10:46]	Silvanus 	ty Innula
[10:46]	Viale Linden 	How is the forum going?
[10:46]	Viale Linden 	Any feedback on Moderation
[10:46]	Counter Landfall 	age verify or cc on profile will give you access to adult regions
[10:46]	Black 	lord, you just click a button now
[10:46]	Counter Landfall 	some parcels have in addition set age verify only
[10:46]	Counter Landfall 	and that is what you encountered Ann
[10:47]	Ann Otoole 	the troll cartel appears to have coordinated a mob of questioning moderation on rodvik's wall.
[10:47]	Viale Linden 	Really?
[10:48]	Innula Zenovka 	though that's more to do with the Vampire Forum, I think, than the Adult Content one
[10:48]	Viale Linden 	Ann - are you referring to Adult content or Vampire?
[10:48]	Ann Otoole 	in general everything. they are all over the place. Although the adult forums do seem to be maintaining a more mature community.
[10:49]	Viale Linden 	good
[10:49]	Viale Linden 	vampires seem to get everyones blood going
[10:49]	Counter Landfall 	Did anyone test the new beta gaming functions?
[10:49]	Luh 	prim animation?
[10:49]	Counter Landfall 	it kinda looks like RLV on steriods
[10:49]	Innula Zenovka 	was that pun intentional?
[10:49]	Viale Linden 	yes, sorry
[10:49]	Ann Otoole 	it won't matter. you did not crawl on all fours to ask permission to build the community. they are still angry over lithium rofl.
[10:50]	Ann Otoole 	had you done a gor thing they would have gone seriously ballistic
[10:50]	Innula Zenovka 	one thing i was a bit confused by.. you might not be the right person to answer it, only.. someone in the adult forum wanted advice on where to buy pubic hair, and I recommended a couple of stores but wasn't sure what would happen if I actually linked to their marketplace listings, since the pictures are somewhat NSFW
[10:51]	Ann Otoole 	isn't there a spoiler thing now?
[10:51]	Counter Landfall 	they would not be able to see the marketplace listing uless you set adult in SLM, so that should be OK
[10:51]	Viale Linden 	Innula
[10:51]	Evelynn Kidd 	i arived just in time, i sell the best pubic hair
[10:51]	Viale Linden 	Its a fine line
[10:52]	Ann Otoole 	does it grow back that fast? :P
[10:52]	Luh 	you have to buy? can't grow at home?
[10:52]	Viale Linden 	If someone is blatently spamming about their shop that is one thing. However, if you are helping someone that is another
[10:53]	Viale Linden 	I believe Evelyn Kidd is enjoying the search results for zindra
[10:53]	Counter Landfall 	you could of course have an alt ask the question and another make the answer linking to your store
[10:53]	Innula Zenovka 	yeah, i was genuinely trying to help someone, and when I do, I normally give links to the marketplace listing, but this time I was worried about complaints about the pictures to be found if you clicked the link to the store
[10:53]	Viale Linden 	Yes, fine line
[10:53]	Evelynn Kidd 	Evelynn Kidd :))
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[10:54]	Luh 	stealth spam ... how evil
[10:56]	Ann Otoole 	well if in question one can always send a message to the person asking. can do so on the website now too.
[10:57]	Viale Linden 	Good call Ann
[10:57]	Viale Linden 	No one is banned right away. Warnings are submitted
[10:57]	Innula Zenovka 	good point, Ann.. thanks
[10:58]	Ann Otoole 	i have found it safer to go make sure a store is still there and send a landmark
[10:58]	Viale Linden 	Unless it is blatantlu abusive, personal attacks or pure spam
[10:58]	Counter Landfall 	again about the images linked to. If they are in the adult esction of the marketplace, the one who opens the link must be logged in and have adult content set as pref in the marketplace to see it
[11:01]	Ann Otoole 	well chores are calling. nice seeing everyone again.
[11:01]	Counter Landfall 	have fun Ann
[11:01]	Zada Bury 	Take care, Ann
[11:01]	Evelynn Kidd 	bye ann
[11:01]	Innula Zenovka 	good to see you again, Ann
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	Yes
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	I have another meeting
[11:01]	Viale Linden 	Bye
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