Doc Team/2011-01-19

== Transcript ==
[13:01]	 	he is
[13:01]	 	
[13:01]	 	
[13:02]	:	hey Jeremy
[13:02]	 	has pinged you.
[13:02]	:	Hey everyone.
[13:02]	:	heya jeremy
[13:02]	 	has pinged you.
[13:02]	:	Halloooo! :-)
[13:02]	:	One moment while I deal with these cubes...
[13:02]	:	Did I miss any within earshot?
[13:02]	:	nvm, was about to say you missed one
[13:02]	 	(arawn.spitteler): They seem to be gone.
[13:02]	:	all gone
[13:02]	:	*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*Yayyyyyyy!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
[13:03]	:	How is everyone this week?
[13:03]	:	truly?
[13:03]	 	(arawn.spitteler): Bronchatic
[13:03]	:	is alright I guess..
[13:03]	 	this might be a stretch but a lo of new people still go to Orientation Island Public to learn--Can someone plase update the Notecards in the Signs that are from 2003? Please!
[13:03]	 	(bronson.blackadder): Jeremy Yo hows it going?
[13:03]	 	has pinged you.
[13:04]	:	we are rl-tiddly after a 12 hour shift at work, and a glass of jim bean to wind down
[13:04]	:	I'll ask about it, Nimh, but that is not traditionally my team's responsibility.
[13:04]	:	hey all
[13:04]	 	it?
[13:04]	:	I'm not sure. Probably whoever is in charge of Orientation Island Public :-)
[13:04]	:	i dont look this good in rl
[13:04]	:	:O
[13:04]	:	but im working on it
[13:04]	 	
[13:05]	:	have you been to the new welcome islands from last year yet?
[13:05]	:	/me coughs.
[13:05]	 	-How hard is it to just simply put links to teh Wiki/KB in new notecards--you don't even have to write anything up
[13:05]	:	I uh, I'm not sure I have.
[13:06]	 	talking 2003
[13:06]	:	been there a few times
[13:06]	:	Good point, Nimh, but I'll have to clear it with whoever is in charge of Orientation Island Public. We Lindens can't actually go around changing parts of the official experience, you know :-)
[13:06]	 	an Infohub anymore
[13:07]	 	you made the notecards is long done
[13:07]	 	have Lindens in charge of specific Linden sims?
[13:08]	 	grabbing the LM in the Library and going there
[13:08]	:	the 2/3 of you guys tht are left, are, imo doing a good job
[13:08]	:	want a good example?
[13:08]	:	There are Lindens who are in charge of projects that create places like that. I'll have to ask around to know for sure who's in charge of the infohubs.
[13:09]	:	the mainalnd sim i live on went off the other day, muggins filed a ticket, in 10 mins reply was received
[13:09]	 	(arawn.spitteler): Has Amber Linden still got a job? She was in charge of Mentors, I recall
[13:09]	 	(arawn.spitteler): Creating Places might be Michael of the Moles
[13:10]	 	is it no one in your company knows what the others do? Do you all have communicate at all?
[13:10]	:	ldpw? a good bunch too
[13:10]	:	out of 42 requests i made, only 1 was refused
[13:11]	 	great.... really sucks that Michael won't have office hours anymore
[13:11]	 	(arawn.spitteler): They're using Corporate Transparency, where they look about, and ask a resi
[13:11]	:	Nimh, that's not a very polite way to ask that question. There are more than 200 people at this company, and we all have our own responsibilities. They don't necessarily overlap.
[13:11]	:	so yes, these guys are doing a good job
[13:11]	 	so many dependencies in here that it makes no sense that nobody there kno
[13:11]	 	(bronson.blackadder): and not all lindens are sitting in the same room in the same city in the same state
[13:11]	 	shows in Search. Not sure why I thought she was one of the early layoffs)
[13:12]	 	on that and that depends on this and effects this which effects that
[13:12]	 	blaming you -I blame you management
[13:12]	:	/eme says "jump up and shout flash if you think they, the lindens, do a good job"
[13:12]	:	Flash! Aaaaaaa! Saviour of the universe!
[13:12]	:	Projects are always in motion, and Lindens move from project to project once they're done... It's not as though we've got someone on staff whose sole responsibility is to keep notecards up to date :-)
[13:13]	 	you dont' get--When a noob sees that there are notecards writeen from when SL started in 2003 --what kinda of impression do you think that has on them?
[13:14]	 	(arawn.spitteler): They create by teams and, when the creation is done, they leave noone in charge.
[13:14]	:	Viewer 2 has a built-in help section. hehe
[13:14]	:	Nimh, you've made your point. I'm not going to go fix them in the middle of my office hour, but I will find out why they are the way they are.
[13:14]	 	and the rest want people to stay in SL as residents? Doesn't that mean in the end that whoever is left can keep the jobs
[13:14]	 	Jeremy
[13:14]	 	has pinged you.
[13:15]	:	hello veryone
[13:15]	:	whaihallodar ^.^
[13:15]	:	jeremy linden?
[13:15]	 	has pinged you.
[13:15]	 	(arawn.spitteler): Hello, Lucila
[13:15]	:	i read about u
[13:16]	:	Welcome to Documentation Office Hours. This is an open chat for discussing Second Life Help-related issues.
[13:16]	:	Uh oh, all good, I hope.
[13:16]	 	in the tabloids again?
[13:16]	 	has pinged you.
[13:16]	:	yes
[13:16]	:	good
[13:16]	:	lol
[13:16]	:	nice to meet u
[13:16]	 	(arawn.spitteler): He's remarkably photogenic, for an overweight naked guy with a sheep
[13:16]	:	!
[13:17]	:	Now THAT would be an avatar.
[13:17]	:	:O
[13:17]	:	lol
[13:17]	:	Zindra-only, I imagine.
[13:17]	:	can i just say i found my eyes and im really happy
[13:17]	:	Only in Second Life :-)
[13:17]	 	new in the world of documentation?
[13:18]	:	lol alot of things happen that are only in sl moments :P
[13:18]	:	There's a big announcement coming in about two weeks that'll make this office hour a lot more interesting. I can't really talk about it until then, though!
[13:19]	:	:O
[13:19]	:	yay
[13:19]	 	(bronson.blackadder): oh sounds like a good topic to talk about
[13:19]	 	(bronson.blackadder): so whats the big announcment?
[13:19]	:	But what I can say is that I've been rooting through the official articles on the wiki and making decisions about which ones should actually be protected from Resident editing.
[13:19]	 	(bronson.blackadder): hehehehee
[13:19]	:	lol
[13:20]	:	We love it when you guys contribute to our online help, so long as you don't go changing the ToS or something :-)
[13:20]	:	lol now who in there right mind would do that
[13:21]	:	Well, Second Life, like many sweet things, may contain nuts :-)
[13:21]	 	(arawn.spitteler): /me wants to edit Community Standards, to allow the advertising of Proctor and Gamble
[13:21]	:	lol what kind of nuts? :P
[13:22]	:	Hmm... I'm not sure I've ever seen a Mr. Peanut avatar. He'd be more of a legume, though.
[13:22]	:	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_culinary_nuts lol
[13:22]	:	LOL!!
[13:23]	:	not that kind of nuts daniel :P
[13:23]	:	Whoa!
[13:23]	:	found the Mr. Peanut Avatar
[13:23]	:	Now I have seen a Mr. Peanut avatar.
[13:23]	:	lol and of course daniel "would" have a mr. peanut av
[13:23]	:	Lol
[13:23]	 	the wiki, somebody showed http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Widget:Google_Calendar today... looks cool. not sure what I'd do with it, though.
[13:24]	:	all he needs is a can of peanuts
[13:24]	:	Qie, office hours calendar? :-)
[13:24]	:	and worms
[13:24]	 	be one use for it, yeah
[13:24]	:	lol why worms? :O
[13:25]	:	Oh! And I have an update on getting office hour transcripts out of Google search results.
[13:25]	:	It turns out we're using the real Google for the wiki, rather than our appliance, so we'd need to add an extension to our public wiki to be able to exclude specific pages.
[13:25]	:	...which is totally doable, but we're still discussing alternatives.
[13:26]	:	I know we had some complaints awhile back that transcripts were starting to become more than a nuissance, cluttering up most searches.
[13:27]	 	it depends whether you want office hour transcripts to be indexed by public google at all
[13:27]	 	(arawn.spitteler): Transcripts can contain some information, but should be seperately searcheable
[13:28]	:	Ideally yes, Arawn. We're trying to find the best way to do that.
[13:28]	:	Even if we don't let Google index the transcript pages, they'll still be searchable via the default Wiki search, though.
[13:28]	 	
[13:29]	:	It's not immediately obvious, but the public wiki uses two separate search engines :-)
[13:30]	:	Anyway, has anyone got any stories about the wiki, forums, SL Answers, or Viewer 2 Help today?
[13:31]	:	/me needs a cricket gesture.
[13:31]	:	..........
[13:32]	:	Nicholas wins!
[13:32]	:	â€¢:*Â¨ Eh hehehehe haha! Â¨*:â€¢
[13:32]	 	forums, a little relief for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-2587 would be welcome. (No idea who can do that, though)
[13:33]	:	Oh, interesting.
[13:33]	 	Featured Discussions list that keeps growing to pages and pages, before getting to any threads, in the Discussions view)
[13:34]	:	Wow, yes. I almost mistook the actual threads as comments just now :-X
[13:35]	:	Hello zack89. Welcome to Documentation Office Horus.
[13:35]	:	er, Hours
[13:35]	:	:P
[13:35]	 	if that's a bug in the currently-used Jive, or a configuration problem, or something that needs administrative intervention. But if the feature could just be disabled altogether, not much would be lost.
[13:37]	:	Yes, it certainly seems that way. I'll try to bring it up with the folks who handle that.
[13:37]	 	
[13:38]	:	All Go
[13:38]	:	Wow, we seem to have a quite a few visitors this week. I wonder what's the occasion?
[13:39]	:	Viewer 2.5 Beta Now Available: http://bit.ly/gldwDS :p
[13:39]	:	:O
[13:39]	:	Huzzah!
[13:40]	 	(bronson.blackadder): hope that big bug is fixed in it
[13:40]	 	(arawn.spitteler): /me's on Snowglobe, atm, but should start scripting his own
[13:41]	 	(arawn.spitteler): Will the media plug-in finally work?
[13:41]	:	i need a cricket av :P
[13:41]	:	Media has worked for me on Viewer 2 since it was in development...
[13:41]	:	YESH
[13:44]	 	(arawn.spitteler): I haven't been able to use MoaP, which is most of what Viewer 2 is good for
[13:44]	:	Hmm... It would be interesting if someone created a status attachment that indicated things like "looking up something on the web" instead of just "away" or being silent.
[13:44]	:	lol
[13:45]	 	(bronson.blackadder): lol
[13:45]	:	jer, that lamp next you, can i have a copy pleasse?
[13:45]	 	(arawn.spitteler): Isn't that what became Display Names?
[13:45]	:	if it;sa freebie that is
[13:45]	:	I don't think it's mine to give, sorry :-(
[13:45]	:	no problem
[13:46]	:	Most of the stuff here was purchased about 3 years ago by me or Jon.
[13:46]	:	I think I made the picnic tables and the actual structure of the place :-)
[13:47]	:	*cricket chirping
[13:48]	 	(arawn.spitteler): The dock is sliced into 10X10 sections, rather than using a single primficient megaprim
[13:49]	:	Yes, yes. I'm old-school that way... I learned to build back in 1.5 and 1.6 :-)
[13:49]	:	:P
[13:49]	:	But I think I did see official megaprims in one of the public Mesh beta builds!
[13:51]	 	building skill I won't mind seeing become obsolete with mesh: Proficiency in chopping and dicing megaprims to fit the build, and adapting builds for available megaprims.
[13:51]	 	(arawn.spitteler): What's Mesh?
[13:51]	:	Yes... While those are their own kind of art, it'll be fun to see what people can do without those limitations.
[13:52]	:	Arawn, Mesh will introduce the ability for people to upload complex 3D models using a popular 3D modeling file format.
[13:53]	 	(arawn.spitteler): Collidable Sculpties?:
[13:53]	:	So... It'll let people design objects in a dedicated, mainstream 3D modeling environment, then upload it here.
[13:53]	:	The physics will be more accurate too, yes.
[13:53]	:	yesssss
[13:53]	:	Lemme find the wiki page..
[13:53]	:	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh
[13:54]	 	physics can be *intentionally* quite different from the visible shape, which can be interesting, too)
[13:54]	:	Indeed, Qie.
[13:54]	:	can i do a questions?
[13:55]	:	Ok, lucila.
[13:55]	:	ok
[13:55]	:	i see this page
[13:55]	:	im peruvian
[13:55]	:	there are many people here to speak spanish
[13:55]	:	and many problems with it
[13:56]	:	and the page in spanish is not to clear
[13:58]	:	Officially, we only have the resources to write the English version of pages like this. Any translated pages are probably created by other Second Life Residents for your convenience, but we cannot confirm that they are correct.
[13:58]	:	is ok
[13:59]	:	i meet a lot of latin people here
[13:59]	:	and they dont speak english and ask me all time
[13:59]	:	/me wants to write them in esperanto
[13:59]	:	about how use secondlife
[14:00]	:	Are you familiar with the Community Translation Project? https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Translation_Project
[14:00]	:	yes
[14:00]	:	but thye dont know how use it
[14:00]	 	(arawn.spitteler): /me doesn't think Esperanto is anybody's native language.
[14:00]	:	Hmm....
[14:01]	:	We do have some pages in Spanish, but not very many.
[14:01]	:	You have been online for 1 hours.
[14:01]	 	which language communities do better at translating the pages. I gather Dutch and German do pretty well.
[14:01]	:	German and French are the best-populated, after English :-)
[14:01]	:	There are also some pages in Spanish, Portuguese, and Japanese.
[14:02]	:	o.o
[14:02]	:	yes second life is very popular
[14:02]	:	I meant to say that German and French have the most articles, besides English, sorry :-)
[14:03]	:	ok thanks for u awser
[14:03]	:	It looks like we are out of time for this week! I'll stop the transcript here.
 
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