Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2011-07-28

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on July 28th, 2011
== Agenda ==
* This week was interesting.
=== Updates ===
* Second Life Server (main channel)
* Tuesday we shipped "HomeStead Performance Improvement" project from Magnum.
** Improved region and script performance.
** Fix for SVC-7079: "Simulator performance issues since server roll (2011-06-30)"
*** https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7079
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/11#11.07.19.236065
** Homestead regions looking good?
* BlueSteel RC Channel
** No Project in this slot this week. 
* LeTigre RC Channel
** This is again "mesh-prep 2" with bug fixes.
** No updates or merge with trunk because of issues.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/11#11.07.20.236326
* Magnum RC Channel
** This is the "Improved HTTP service" project. 
* We reorganized the structure of various webservices hosted on the simhosts. In particular those associated with servicing a Capabilities requests. These are involved in operations such as HTTP Texture fetch, some inventory operations and uploading of assets.
* These changes may also improve the following JIRA's
** VWR-25940 - "HTTP communication with grid capabilities router is unreliable at times affecting HTTP Textures"
*** https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25940
** SVC-6546 - "HTTP-IN URL's dropped after certain period"
*** https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6546
** VWR-25426 - "'Friendlist displays users as Unknown or (loading), teleports fail, assets will not save"
*** https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25426
** SVC-6875 - "'Failed to grant capabilities?"
*** https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6875
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/11#11.07.26.236927
=== Upcoming Stuff ===
=== Interesting Stuff ===
* LIVE MESH CHANNEL!!!
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/LiveVolunteers
= Transcript =
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for July 28th, 2011:
* [14:59] Techwolf Lupindo: heh, the other regines are under water too due to this one. Whenever the cam gets below the water level on this sim, it thinks the other sims are under water also.
* [14:59] Coyot Linden: Shhhh, everyone! Oskar's Here!
* [14:59] Coyot Linden: :P
* [14:59] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey oskar
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: wassup guys?
* [15:00] Marigold DevinMarigold Devin waves hiya from the back
* [15:00] Oskar Linden: wow. marigold has the coolest cat chair evar
* [15:00] WolfPup Lowenhar: not much for me except i got my mesh viewer partialt working
* [15:01] Lares Carter: heya oskar
* [15:01] Rex Cronon: greetings everybody
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: welcome welcome welcome everyone
* [15:01] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey rex
* [15:01] Rex Cronon: hi wolfpup
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: Happy Thursday and all that
* [15:01] Rex Cronon: same to u too oaskar:)
* [15:02] Rex Cronon: oskar*
* [15:02] Rex Cronon: :)
* [15:02] Oskar LindenOskar Linden pours himself up a nice cup of green tea and waits a few minutes for people to arrive
* [15:02] WolfPup Lowenhar: well this si not a mesh enabled region
* [15:03] Marigold DevinMarigold Devin checks Oskar for bruises
* [15:03] Latif Khalifa: hello all
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: hello latif
* [15:03] Sigma Avro: hi
* [15:03] Rex Cronon: hi latif
* [15:03] Latif Khalifa: is water level here something that's been changed or is my viewer tricking me
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: it was raining
* [15:04] Fancy Greeter: Simon Linden has arrived! (Or, returned?)
* [15:04] Coyot Linden: lol
* [15:04] Latif Khalifa: ah ok
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: last weeks meeting was underwater
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: I let a little bit out
* [15:04] Latif Khalifa: terraform sim edge and make it an infinity pool :P
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: Jacky, where is your friend?
* [15:04] Jacky Scharf: It was great last week. :-D Hello everybody. ;-)
* [15:05] WolfPup Lowenhar: ya cause of all the sharkhead around it had to be under water
* [15:05] Rex Cronon: hi jacky
* [15:05] Jacky Scharf: She's at AGNI and feels sick.
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: is sigma a llama?
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: ok. well let's get started
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: agenda link here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
* [15:05] Sigma Avro: hello Oskar, indeed I am
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: I was in SF this week for a few days and it was nice to be in the main office
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: things seem to move faster there
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: I'm not sure how Maestro handles it
* [15:06] Latif Khalifa: efficiently xD
* [15:06] Coyot Linden: With his usual grace and style
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: quite true
* [15:06] Maestro Linden: multitasking!
* [15:06] Maestro LindenMaestro Linden is eating a sandwich now
* [15:06] Rex Cronon: he is taking cold baths. really hot there:)
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: the leftover one from Tuesday Maestro?
* [15:07] Rex Cronon: chilling with the mellons:)
* [15:07] Maestro Linden: heh no, I went to the *other* sandwich shop
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: I'll start from the top of the agenda
* [15:07] Coyot Linden: ha
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: the main release went well
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: the fixed homesteads code is now on the main channel
* [15:08] Coyot Linden: \o/
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: I've heard good things from homestead region owners
* [15:08] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey Kadah
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: Gooden's "wave" test passed he told me
* [15:08] Kadah Coba: Wow, that was a good landing for doing it nearly blind
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: anyone else have info from homestead regions you're on?
* [15:09] Sigma Avro: :( not
* [15:09] Fancy Greeter: Kelly Linden has arrived! (Or, returned?)
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: silence is good
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: looks like kelly's fixes are good to go then
* [15:09] Sigma Avro: "qui ne dit mot consent"
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: thanks kelly!
* [15:10] WolfPup Lowenhar: im not on a homestead but i niticed my region went from being on the magnum servers to the main servers
* [15:10] Rex Cronon: seems nobody has news
* [15:10] Kelly Linden: Sup? Hello
* [15:10] Rex Cronon: hello kelly
* [15:10] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey kelly
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: we're talking about the fixed homestead region performance
* [15:10] Kelly Linden: any dreams I can shatter today?
* [15:10] Lares Carter: heya kelly
* [15:10] Kelly Linden: oh? good
* [15:10] Latif Khalifa: hey tehKellz
* [15:10] Jacky Scharf: Heya Kelly
* [15:11] Latif Khalifa: no shuttered dreams. homesteads much better, scheduler degradation unchanged. one line summary :)
* [15:11] Kelly Linden: What is the verdict on the region performance?
* [15:11] Kelly Linden: cool
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: As for the other RC's Magnum is the only one that got out on Wednesday
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: This is the "Improved HTTP service" project.
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: Maestro is there anything to talk about for this project?
* [15:12] Maestro Linden: hm not really
* [15:12] Sigma Avro: (a link for this project ?)
* [15:12] Kadah Coba: "Improved HTTP service" project?
* [15:12] Coyot Linden: Oskar
* [15:12] Maestro Linden: we just changed how apache2 runs
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: yes Coyot
* [15:12] Maestro Linden: so it should produce fewer 499 errors
* [15:13] Kadah Coba: Less faily?
* [15:13] Maestro Linden: Monty would have more useful information :)
* [15:13] Coyot Linden: Just to add that this project is looking
* [15:13] Coyot Linden: very stable right now
* [15:13] Maestro Linden: that's the idea, Kadah :)
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: good
* [15:13] Coyot Linden: And will probably go out sooner than later
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: fail--; instead of our usual iterative fail++;
* [15:13] Kadah Coba: Of good, failures on caps is very annoying
* [15:13] Coyot Linden: exactly
* [15:13] Rex Cronon: weird. too me the http service seemed to work fine
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: unless you fine folk find a reason for it to not be released next week
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: I will await your frantic IM's
* [15:14] Kadah Coba: Speaking of this, I still need to get monty even more data than he can sort through, again
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: ^_^
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: yes. send monty more data
* [15:14] Homeless: frantic IM's always come after release
* [15:14] Kadah Coba: Nothing like several hundred megs of raw packet data :V
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: nice
* [15:15] Jacky ScharfJacky Scharf .oO( Can I ask a question according to Sim Performance? ) .
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: I'll post the jiras that are supposed to be fixed by Magnum here for the logs:
* [15:15] Coyot Linden: This is why we were given Wireshark
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: VWR-25940 - "HTTP communication with grid capabilities router is unreliable at times affecting HTTP Textures"
* https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25940
* SVC-6546 - "HTTP-IN URL's dropped after certain period"
* https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6546
* VWR-25426 - "'Friendlist displays users as Unknown or (loading), teleports fail, assets will not save"
* https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25426
* SVC-6875 - "'Failed to grant capabilities?"
* https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6875
* [15:15] Flame of Jira: [#VWR-25940] HTTP communication with grid capabilities router is unreliable at times affecting HTTP Textures https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6875
* [15:15] Flame of Jira: Status 499
* [15:15] Flame of Jira: Status 499
* [15:15] Flame of Jira: Status 499
* [15:15] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-6875] 'Failed to grant capabilities? https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6875
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: heh
* [15:15] Kadah Coba: lol
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: thanks flame of jira
* [15:16] Latif Khalifa: lmao
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: what question jacky?
* [15:16] Sigma Avro: tks :)
* [15:16] Oskar Linden: about sim performance
* [15:16] Coyot Linden: more like "flamewar of jira"
* [15:17] Jacky Scharf: Was this issue on homestead only? The reason: With 13 avatars my home sim (Full Sim!) had too much problems.
* [15:17] Oskar Linden: the issue that was fixed in the release channel this week was homestead specific
* [15:17] Maestro Linden: well, mostly homestead specific. there were some tweaks that would affect full regions as well
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: which region is this Jacky?
* [15:18] Jacky Scharf: Harmonie
* [15:18] Jacky Scharf: It was 2 days ago.
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: that would have been around the time of the rolling restarts
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: it might have been related
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: how is performance now?
* [15:19] Jacky Scharf: I don't know. I must check his out until the nex OH.
* [15:19] Jacky Scharf: +t
* [15:19] Oskar Linden: ok
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: as for the other RC's we were unable to release new code to them this week
* [15:20] Latif Khalifa: for the record: the problem with scripts running much slower on the regions with no spare time is still present (SCR-120 SVC-5040)
* [15:20] Flame of Jira: Status 404
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: the mesh-prep2 branch had issues from the merge that were caught in QA
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: we attempted to work through them for a late release but were unable to
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: the code going to BlueSteel also had a blocking issue found in QA
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: look at that. twice in one week we didn't ship code that had to be rolled back :-)
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: and people think we don't qa ourselves
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: :-p
* [15:22] Homeless: congrats!!
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: both of those channels were not rolled this week
* [15:22] Oskar Linden: we did upgrade the Mesh RC channel
* [15:22] Rex Cronon: do u ship code every day:)
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: that's an entirely volunteer pool so we can update faster there
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: we really try to stick with the schedule for the main RC channels
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: despite appearances
* [15:23] Coyot Linden: One of the caveats to joining the volunteer region
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: so it appears to be a light week for release but it has been very very busy on our end
* [15:24] Rex Cronon: i think most people to have things that crash less, rather than ship faster
* [15:24] Coyot Linden: was the agreement that may get deployed frequently
* [15:24] Rex Cronon: like to have*
* [15:24] Coyot Linden: That's good to hear, Rex.
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: speaking of the mesh RC
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: it is not to late to join that party
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: if you have a region to spare or know someone who would like to get on there
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: send them here:
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/LiveVolunteers
* [15:25] Homeless: I would but I don't have a region.... snif
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: hah. that group now was 1331 members in it
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: I should close that at 1337
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: with that name you can never own land Homeless
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: I'm sorry
* [15:25] Jacky Scharf: Yeah, it's leet! \o/
* [15:25] Rex Cronon: haha:)
* [15:25] Latif Khalifa: unfortunatelly too expensive to play with
* [15:25] Sigma Avro: ah! :)
* [15:25] Rex Cronon: after that u charge admission:)
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: it is for most people
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: but we've had quite a few sign up
* [15:26] Homeless: lol I could never afford it anyway... unless someone donates...
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: we still have room and would like as many as possible
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: so spread the word
* [15:26] Rex Cronon: try offering some incentives
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: has everyone tried it out on the sandboxes on AGNI?
* [15:27] WolfPup Lowenhar: are all the mesh regions here on aditi going to be switches to some thing else?
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: an incentive greater than getting on mesh before anyone else?
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: like free prims?
* [15:27] Latif Khalifa: i have. looking at the prim cost of meshes decided against playing with them on my region. +upload cost
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: the mesh sandboxes here on ADITI are here to stay for the time being
* [15:27] Rex Cronon: i don't know. something that appeals to people
* [15:27] Oskar Linden: they will lose relevence eventually
* [15:28] WolfPup Lowenhar: i hope they stay till the work that me and others are doing for Os developers is done
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: eventually once mesh gets in trunk all regions on aditi will support mesh uploads
* [15:29] Rex Cronon: won't all sims here become mesh enabled? eventually
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: yup
* [15:29] Homeless: Won't all of ADITI have mesh when it goes live?
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: so having mesh specific sandboxes won't be as important
* [15:29] Oskar Linden: but we can keep some around I'm sure
* [15:30] Coyot Linden: Let me answer Homeless' question
* [15:30] Coyot Linden: So, when mesh goes to the entire channel
* [15:30] Coyot Linden: on agni
* [15:30] Coyot Linden: there will still be some projects that started before mesh
* [15:31] Coyot Linden: those may have to pass through first before new projects that start from trunk
* [15:31] Coyot Linden: inclding mesh get going
* [15:31] Homeless: makes sense
* [15:31] Coyot Linden: yw
* [15:32] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: we got anything coming up people might be interested in MAestro?
* [15:33] Maestro Linden: oh, there's a fix for that friendship permissions issue coming up
* [15:33] Maestro LindenMaestro Linden looks for the jira #
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: can't you make web thingie work immediately too?
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: svc-7104
* [15:34] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7104] Granting/revoking perms broken for non-web-profile viewers https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7104
* [15:34] Kadah Coba: Whee
* [15:34] Maestro Linden: yes that would also be good, Latif
* [15:34] Latif Khalifa: revoking someoones permission and asking them to relog doesn't really work
* [15:34] Jacky Scharf: YAY! (yay!)
* [15:35] Maestro Linden: there are some other bugfixes there too
* [15:35] Maestro Linden: some related to security
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: making the web perms work immediately is being worked on as well
* [15:35] Maestro Linden: anyway, this project seemed a bit higher than the 'script candy' branch, so I'm trying to finish it first..
* [15:35] Kadah Coba: Speaking of friend issues, since Social Profile went live, I've been seeing and hearing about some random problems with friending :s
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: how random?
* [15:36] Kadah Coba: Remove alt from friend, refriend alt, alt in friends list, login later, alt no longer friend. As well as friend requests going missing.
* [15:37] Latif Khalifa: Maestro, good prioritizaation :) working revoking edit perms should go first
* [15:37] Rex Cronon: u shouldn't be able to friend yourself:)
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: actually I had a testing request for you guys..
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: but I am very friendly
* [15:37] Latif Khalifa: we know
* [15:37] Oskar Linden: wassup maestro?
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: so that 'script candy' project, DRTSIM-72,
* [15:37] Maestro Linden: contains SVC-7060 Reliable message RevokePermissions does not revoke permissions on objects that have been granted PERMISSION_TRIGGER_ANIMATION
* [15:37] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7060] Reliable message RevokePermissions does not revoke permissions on objects that have been granted PERMISSION_TRIGGER_ANIMATION https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7060
* [15:38] Sigma Avro: can we edit your prims Oskar ? lol
* [15:38] Coyot Linden: nd I am my own best friend.
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: (or rather a fix to it)
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: could somebody who's familiar with RevokePermissions try that out on an aditi DRTSIM-72 region?
* [15:38] Kadah Coba: Support for revoking perms from others' HUDs?
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: the official viewers don't support the message
* [15:38] Kadah Coba: I'll get someone to test that, Maestro
* [15:38] Maestro Linden: yes from any attachments, I believe
* [15:38] Rex Cronon: do we need a custom viewer 4 that moestro?
* [15:38] Rex Cronon: maestro*
* [15:39] Maestro Linden: ask Kadah, rex :)
* [15:39] Kadah Coba: Yeah
* [15:39] Maestro LindenMaestro Linden has no knowledge of them
* [15:39] Kadah Coba: LL never used that message from that I've gathered, but its usefull
* [15:39] Rex Cronon: why not make a lsl function llRevokeAllPerms()?
* [15:40] Kadah Coba: Cause its for an av to revoke perms other prim as gained that the av does not own
* [15:40] Sigma Avro: without empty key in it
* [15:40] Maestro Linden: hm llRequestPermissions() resets the perms a script as on a given agent, I think
* [15:40] Maestro Linden: but this is more for an avatar to revoke perms that he gave to a script
* [15:40] Maestro Linden: or if llRevokeAllPerms() in 1 script revoked perms that all other scripts got... maybe that would require another permission? :)
* [15:41] Rex Cronon: if u sit on some seats your anim perm is taken without asking...
* [15:41] Sigma Avro: god mode allows to change permissions
* [15:41] Kadah Coba: Its so an object cant grieft you later after you're done doing stuff with it, like not sitting on it anymore
* [15:42] Kadah Coba: The problem with a prim that gets your perms and is taking in to inv still remains a problem though
* [15:42] Kadah Coba: s/taking/taken
* [15:42] Rex Cronon: right kadh
* [15:42] Rex Cronon: kadah*
* [15:43] Latif Khalifa: i don't think that's a problem experienced by many users
* [15:43] Kadah Coba: And if they put it on their HUD, you'll never be able to do anything about it. That will still be true after SVC-7060 unless you still know the object's UUID from when I got your perms
* [15:43] Maestro Linden: anyway Kadah, if you test it could you let me know if it works in DRTSIM-72 or not?
* [15:44] Kadah Coba: I or someone else I know will :3
* [15:44] Latif Khalifa: yes, kadah and it should be that way. many useful devices use that feature.
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: what regions have we got set up with that code maestro?
* [15:44] Maestro Linden: some regions with that server version are... Kapor, Rosedale, Abbots, Avilion Nexus, Gibson, and Skybeam
* [15:44] Flip Idlemind: What about those animation deformers? Ya know, invisible prims with click_action_sit, so you click on them, they automatically get permission to animate you and mess your body up
* [15:44] Flip Idlemind: Or am I the only one that sees those <.<
* [15:45] Maestro Linden: Neck
* [15:45] Maestro Linden: EXTEND!
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: those are great Flip
* [15:45] Rex Cronon: i am sorry, but it shouldn't work that way latif
* [15:45] Sigma Avro: Trasher ?
* [15:46] Rex Cronon: u aren't flip
* [15:46] Flip Idlemind: Trasher exactly, the "I like your new look!" prims
* [15:46] Coyot Linden: Maestro's av looks totally like something out of the Slowpoke comic
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: Neck
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: EXTEND!
* [15:46] Rex Cronon: there r even deform parties:)
* [15:46] Marigold Devin: Flip, like this thing here will deform you without your permission if you touch it you mean?
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: the bed will?
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: someone touch it
* [15:47] Marigold Devin: the bed
* [15:47] BED: The last 1 victims were: Patadx Pessoa.
* [15:47] Marigold Devin: the arcade machine
* [15:47] Marigold Devin: the beer cooler
* [15:47] Coyot Linden: Rex: we have two of those in America. ;)
* [15:47] ARCADE MACHINE: The last 1 victims were: Marigold Devin.
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: someone touch it
* [15:48] Flip Idlemind: Yeah because if you touch it, you sit on it
* [15:48] Rex Cronon: wouldn't it be funny if somebody covered all the seat and got all the perms of everybody and started having them doing peanut butter and jelly anim:)
* [15:48] Flip Idlemind: Except I have "block sit via left click" on
* [15:48] WolfPup Lowenhar: i have an av reseter so lest see what the bed dose
* [15:48] BED: What an intense pillow fight!
* [15:49] Rex Cronon: lol. u do coyot?
* [15:49] Rex Cronon: av reset is useless
* [15:49] Marigold Devin: why have I got this crap in my inventory?
* [15:49] Oskar Linden: yeah marigold why do you have all those traps in your inv?
* [15:49] BED: The last 2 victims were: WolfPup Lowenhar, Patadx Pessoa.
* [15:49] Coyot Linden: Yes, Ds and Rs
* [15:50] BED: What an intense pillow fight!
* [15:50] Latif Khalifa: marigold is a griefer! :P
* [15:50] Marigold Devin: hahahahaha nooooo not me
* [15:50] Marigold Devin: I used to be married to one it seems.
* [15:50] Maestro Linden: time for a nap
* [15:50] BED: What an intense pillow fight!
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: marigold broke me
* [15:50] Marigold Devin: oooooo
* [15:50] Marigold Devin: I am gonna be soooo banned
* [15:51] BED: What an intense pillow fight!
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: alright. 10 mins left on this meeting
* [15:51] WolfPup Lowenhar: use the undefromer maestro
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: anyone got anything else?
* [15:51] Rex Cronon: lol oskar. u look like long cat:)
* [15:51] Flip Idlemind: Point is, even with an undeformer (which doesn't always work) the thing still has permission to keep deforming you
* [15:51] Jacky Scharf: I've got got something about the transcripts of the OH.
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: my undeformer worked
* [15:51] Flip Idlemind: Woooo
* [15:52] WolfPup Lowenhar: so did mine
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: yes Jacky
* [15:52] Rex Cronon: u r still stretched oskar:)
* [15:52] Oskar Linden: look fine to me
* [15:52] Sigma Avro: loging out is not enough ?
* [15:52] Homeless: I'm not stretched... just gone to pieces
* [15:52] Latif Khalifa: i have never met someone that has been griefed by the feature that object taken into inventory remembers permisions. i have used many objects that use that feature
* [15:52] Coyot Linden: You still look stretched to me, Oskar
* [15:52] Latif Khalifa: you cannot fix everything that one might use to "grief"
* [15:53] Homeless: how do you turn this off?
* [15:53] Latif Khalifa: (except unplug the internet cable)
* [15:53] Jacky Scharf: At the transcript of last week I saw the names like "Homeless" or "DreamGirl224", without "Resident". The Wiki needs "Resident" to show up an avatar's site.
* [15:53] Marigold Devin: try stop all animations Homeless
* [15:53] Maestro Linden: nice benchmark score, Latif
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: yeah... the wikifier I used wasn't being good
* [15:53] Marigold Devin: Or, I don't know how to do it with V2
* [15:53] Sigma Avro: does not work with some
* [15:53] Rex Cronon: u mean like how the chat is "fixed" so u can't type more than one space:)
* [15:53] WolfPup Lowenhar: the one i got form seawolf avatars is for fixing your av after you have work the anchient dragon as it deforms your av so every thing fist right
* [15:54] Latif Khalifa: Maestro, this sim hardly has any scripts running. On a realistic sim it's pretty bad
* [15:54] Flip Idlemind: Yeah which means you can't technically type my display name because there are actually 2 spacer between each letter
* [15:54] Homeless: stop anim doesn't work
* [15:54] Latif Khalifa: Basically todays full sim runs at homestead speed of two years ago
* [15:54] Flip Idlemind: spaces
* [15:55] Jacky Scharf: You can't find for example DreamGirl224 at http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Dreamgirl224 , you need http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:DreamGirl224_Resident
* [15:56] Rex Cronon: there is even one anim that deforms your attachments. u have to relog for them to get back to normal
* [15:56] Maestro Linden: you should actually try it out in DRTSIM-75
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: what's more important Jacky, the transcripts or the links working?
* [15:56] Maestro Linden: the scores are almost 3x higher than the same sim in whatever mono2performance RC we had before
* [15:56] Rex Cronon: btw. now that we have a mini http server working, do u guys know what is missing? a mini UDP server:)
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: do people use those links?
* [15:57] Sigma Avro: nice scrore !
* [15:57] Latif Khalifa: Mstro, did you try adding idle scripts?
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: I can just turn off the links
* [15:57] Jacky Scharf: The Resident's Links in the transcript (Homeless or DreamGirl224) don't work. Someone has to fix all transcripts.
* [15:57] Maestro Linden: yes, 8k or so
* [15:57] Latif Khalifa: so how big a timeslice you get on 8k scripts?
* [15:57] Oskar Linden: I don't think it's that important Jacky
* [15:57] Maestro Linden: the score is higher than before mono2performance, with the same setup
* [15:58] Sigma Avro: well this link is with user name, right ?
* [15:58] Maestro Linden: it's like 0.56 Latif, but the actual score is higher
* [15:58] Coyot LindenCoyot Linden files a bug to fix the transcripts and assigns it to Jacky. ;)
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: heh
* [15:58] Jacky Scharf: hehe Coyot :-D
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: alright so we're almost done here.
* [15:58] Latif Khalifa: that's a good number for 8k. but the problem is with how many sims are running on the same host. on class7 with 8 regions running it gets hammered even if the sims are mostly idle
* [15:58] Maestro Linden: (by 'score' I mean # of loop iterations with llAbs() every second)
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: Monday is my rez day for anyone interested :-)
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: I might have a dance party out on the sandboxes
* [15:59] Marigold Devin: Pagan Sunburn is doing a party for you I think
* [15:59] Jacky Scharf: Is the party on AGNI or ADITI?
* [15:59] Marigold Devin: Lots of cake and ice cream
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: yay for Pagan :-)
* [15:59] Jacky Scharf: And which region?
* [15:59] Oskar Linden: I guess I can wait for the 'surprise' then
* [15:59] Marigold Devin: Yessss Pagan and everyone hugged you till you bruised earlier.
* [15:59] Sigma Avro: yeah, good to start holydays !
* [15:59] Latif Khalifa: Mstro, which sims are on that channel?
* [15:59] Marigold Devin: Just watch out for cakes that deform!!!!
* [16:00] Maestro Linden: hm, things have changed around a bit
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: alright guys. thanks for coming by today
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: me has to run
* [16:00] Maestro Linden: but the 'old second life server' is on...
* [16:00] Marigold Devin: Crikey that hour passes quickly
* [16:00] Jacky Scharf: •*•. Bye Bye .•*• and tc Oskar :-)
* [16:00] Moundsa Mayo: Oskar, Maestro, Coyot, thanks for your time and all your hard work! (And Simon and Kelly, in absentia)
* [16:00] Marigold Devin: I'll remove my litter before I go.
* [16:00] Marigold Devin: Apologies Homeless. You should be ok after a relog
* [16:00] Coyot Linden: yw, Moundsa
* [16:00] Sigma Avro: thanks for time Oskar Maestro, Coyot, Kelly , Leyla
* [16:00] Maestro Linden: latif: "Combat (sandbox) - Blue Team's HQ", "sardar", "sunbelt software"
* [16:00] Rex Cronon: tc everybody and have a nice day:)
* [16:01] Homeless: ok
* [16:01] Maestro Linden: I beleive the combat sandbox has my setup with 1000s of idle scripts
* [16:01] Latif Khalifa: that's the new mono2-perf code
* [16:01] Jacky Scharf: Thank y'all for beeing here and tc. Now I'll go to bed. ;-)
* [16:01] Latif Khalifa: ?
* [16:01] Marigold Devin: Thanks everyone. I learned loads of new stuff again
* [16:01] Maestro Linden: no, that's 11.06.14.232746, which I think is server-trunk from before mono2performance
* [16:01] Lares Carter: thanks for the meeting
* [16:01] Latif Khalifa: ah