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== Transcript ==
[13:04]	:	but there lot more
[13:04]	:	thanks
[13:04]	:	Verily, I apologize for my lateness!
[13:04]	:	hallo, TORLEY
[13:04]	:	My teleports were a-failin'!
[13:04]	:	SlCC was good. I think our workshop went well.
[13:04]	:	torley will be here jackie
[13:04]	:	for cuming guys
[13:04]	:	BUT I AM HERE NOW FRIENDLY GREETINGS
[13:04]	:	I am great, kate. Thanks.
[13:05]	:	hey Torley
[13:05]	:	hello torley
[13:05]	:	torley is here already
[13:05]	:	lol
[13:05]	:	HHI, Torley
[13:05]	:	hi torley
[13:05]	:	torly?
[13:05]	:	i cant see him
[13:05]	:	on the other couch
[13:05]	:	I'm sitting down and should rez momentarily. :)
[13:05]	:	left of you
[13:05]	:	Then again, I look just like Daniel.
[13:05]	:	Hello Everyone Kate, Daniel, Your, Torley
[13:05]	:	jackie is new to this :)
[13:05]	:	lol, Torley
[13:05]	:	ye
[13:05]	:	A warm welcome aboard, jackie!
[13:05]	:	Welcome Jackie
[13:05]	:	hey jon :)
[13:06]	:	hello jon
[13:06]	:	thanks
[13:06]	:	:)
[13:06]	:	Hi all
[13:06]	:	hello everyone!
[13:06]	:	hello, Jon, nice entrance
[13:06]	 	
[13:06]	:	hello, Jon
[13:06]	:	almost the right chair jon :p
[13:06]	:	few steps back :p
[13:06]	 	chuckles
[13:06]	:	just making sure nobody's in it yet
[13:06]	:	i cam here to see torly but there lot MORE PEOPLE :)
[13:06]	:	hey Colton
[13:06]	:	hello, Coltonh
[13:06]	:	:)
[13:06]	:	hia
[13:06]	 	waves to Arawn
[13:07]	:	hey colton, nice seeing you again!
[13:07]	:	hiya
[13:07]	:	hey Colton
[13:07]	:	Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[13:07]	:	WOW
[13:07]	:	Hey, DrFran, et al
[13:07]	:	word spreads fast on twitter heh
[13:07]	 	is not proudn, will ask for bears.
[13:07]	:	Alexander, where'd you get the Panda
[13:07]	:	please direct all bear requests to IM; they're easier to handle that way
[13:07]	:	grendales children
[13:08]	:	torly are you the panda?
[13:08]	:	grendel's does excellent work
[13:08]	:	Ah, Twitter. What a fun tool.
[13:08]	:	we should make Jeremy bring everyone a bottle of wine when he gets back
[13:08]	:	jackie, I'm next to the panda.
[13:08]	:	hm
[13:08]	:	Oh, Kate, I couldn't catch you, since last wednesday. Schmooze-Lagged at SLCC?
[13:09]	:	takea seat colton, the chairs wont bite you :)
[13:09]	:	Hiya
[13:09]	:	Hey, Marianne, what's your game, now (can anybody play?)
[13:09]	:	I have a game?
[13:09]	 	giggles
[13:10]	:	hello Marianne!
[13:10]	:	lots of lag
[13:10]	:	im going to relog
[13:10]	:	Hey Jon! Jon, Kate, Colton... nice to meetcha at SLCC
[13:10]	:	BRB
[13:10]	:	oh torley, you asked last time something, about placing your deshboard on my website?
[13:10]	:	think we should have contact about that after the meeting if you have time
[13:10]	:	Arawn, the workshop ran a little late and we only had a few minutes to setup tech. Sorry we missed you!
[13:10]	:	the website is already operational
[13:11]	:	Normalities happen: Were any MREvents recorded
[13:11]	:	Youri, please go on... ? Refresh my memory?
[13:12]	:	And I'm sorry I can't reply to IMs at the moment, please ask in the open.
[13:12]	:	there will be more 'official' LL stuff on my website, CT projects for example
[13:12]	:	euhm.. lemme get the text
[13:12]	:	Torley Linden: What would be its purpose and function, Youri? :)
Youri Ashton: i dont kno yet torley, most likely linked to my twitter for first, alo adding pictures of my latest build, think ill add a blog as well
[13:13]	 	ready and operational.
[13:13]	:	website link: http://brp.ds9lego.com/
[13:13]	:	last blog message
[13:14]	 	v3.05: Entering Beaumont with lag 21%
[13:14]	:	Hai Torley :)
[13:15]	:	hi mat
[13:15]	:	And Hai All :)
[13:15]	:	Hiya
[13:15]	:	Thanks Youri. Ooh, I just blogged about Seawolf.
[13:15]	:	OHAI Mathew!
[13:15]	:	Hey Marianne, it was great meeting you at SLCC too!
[13:15]	:	haha, cool :)
[13:15]	:	cant be here long
[13:15]	:	Hi Kate :)
[13:15]	:	Hi Matthew :)
[13:15]	:	and Jon :)
[13:15]	:	and Colton :) XD
[13:15]	:	So, were any Mixed Reality Events recorded?
[13:15]	:	I'm sorry Youri, I'm still not clear on what you'd like to achieve? It's good you have a blog tho. :)
[13:15]	:	I'm still diestign the SLCC experience. How it is different from meeting u in here, how it augments th' experience an all that
[13:15]	:	please do let me know more when you have the time torley! I love to add your request
[13:16]	:	hello to everyone :)
[13:16]	:	and CG :)
[13:16]	:	digestin'*
[13:16]	 	couldn't make it to SLCC . . . but wanted to.
[13:16]	:	ill quote you again torley: Torley Linden: Youri, it's possible the My Dashboard section will allow for some of that. We're going to add more customization.
[13:16]	:	im back
[13:16]	:	im too far to go to SLCC
[13:16]	:	How did you like it Marianne? for me trying to stay atop of the presentations in-world had its ups and downs
[13:16]	:	Welcome back!
[13:16]	:	thanks guys
[13:17]	:	Marianne, when I meet someone in SL, I tend to remember them by name vs. avatar appearance, and when I meet them in person, such as at SLCC, I remember faces and not as good with names.
[13:17]	 	v3.05: Entering Beaumont with lag 73%
[13:17]	:	back? I've never been here before!
[13:17]	:	Ricken: I liked it a lot. I did see one of the keynotes purely inworld, and can agree on some of that
[13:17]	:	kate: i keep changing avi's and you seem to remember me :p
[13:17]	:	Welcome Julifer
[13:17]	:	Somebody tun off the lag generators.
[13:17]	:	Yes Youri, but I'm not sure how that goes with your request?
[13:17]	:	Ya, you can't rely on the visual at all at an event like SLCC. Very few look the same IRL
[13:17]	:	I remember you by name Youri
[13:18]	:	my avatar looks better than me
[13:18]	:	I don't even look the same inworld half the time.
[13:18]	 	accepted your inventory offer.
[13:18]	 	accepted your inventory offer.
[13:18]	:	torly must be the bird
[13:18]	:	I have more hair than my avatar - but not in the right places.
[13:18]	:	It is interesting that you can also get a sense of the personalities in either existance, really
[13:18]	:	well, i would like to help you with your request and add it indeed to the website, since it is not just a blog. its a database as well and strictly on SL pointed
[13:18]	:	If there's a cross between Big Bird and a watermelon, that's Torley
[13:18]	:	It was a bit difficult to follow presentations that had slides all we got was the audio streaming in but overall it was good I was thankful to be able to participant in some panels from in-world
[13:19]	:	Big Melon!
[13:19]	:	LOL
[13:19]	:	and a rag doll
[13:19]	:	so, if you like to help me out with the propper contents, then i can add these to the website
[13:19]	:	Peels here
[13:19]	:	Youri, I don't know what you want to add? Can you please repeat from the beginning? I'm sorry.
[13:20]	:	Anyone know of any practical mobile apps to access SL?
[13:20]	:	Kate has it easy. I've no memory for names, or faces, and have to track down people who've died three thousand years ago, who've since changed names, faces, sexes, species, and Social Security Numbers.
[13:20]	:	othewr than ajax life no
[13:20]	:	hello
[13:20]	:	lol, sorry, i have a feeling my social disability takes effect once again, let me try again.
[13:20]	:	hi there
[13:20]	:	Robbo most have been cuistoms
[13:20]	:	I've used SparkleIM with some success, Robbo. It's non-graphical, but useful for IMs, etc.
[13:20]	:	but you can try with Iphone and G1
[13:21]	:	yes, me too, MM
[13:21]	:	Is ajax life still around? I tried to use it on my iphone and didn't get through.
[13:21]	:	yes
[13:21]	:	as fara as I know
[13:21]	:	I can't get it any more CyF
[13:21]	:	I had limited success with AjaxLife on my iPhone
[13:21]	:	Arawn, sounds exciting to research chains of surnames that far back.
[13:21]	:	ajaxlife.net/
[13:21]	:	Yeah, it's the full in-world experience I want. Like I don't get enough already I have to do it while wandering through traffic.
[13:21]	:	:O
[13:21]	:	last week i mentioned thinking about starting my own website, which made you ask if I was willing to place possible the My Dashboard section on it.
[13:21]	:	Hey Arwyn!
[13:21]	:	Hi Mari!
[13:22]	 	grins
[13:22]	:	hi arwyn
[13:22]	:	Hey Alex
[13:22]	:	well Iam out got to go back to work folks
[13:22]	:	Hey Arwyn
[13:22]	:	welcome
[13:22]	:	Hi Daniel.
[13:22]	:	oh youri, each person has a dashboard called "My Dashboard" which might be what was referred to vs. Torley's own dashboard.
[13:22]	:	If Blue is having office hours I will be there
[13:22]	:	Sicne the website is ready, and i got the time to place your request, i was wondering if you had time to help me out on the further info on that
[13:23]	:	Blue Linden: The SL Volunteer Program, New User Experience
 http://slurl.com/secondlife/Grasmere/67/156/23 (Starts in 2 hours 38 minutes)
[13:23]	:	Oh, I find Starrry Night is no longer available
[13:23]	:	I like the new dashboard, and the searchable maps are hot
[13:23]	:	Yeah Youri, pardon, I think there's been a misunderstanding, I was referring to My Dashboard which is a feature of the upcoming secondlife.com redesign and currently in beta.
[13:23]	:	kate: oh okay, not sure what he ment in the first place at that time, but i do think its a great idea to add some 'official' things to this website
[13:23]	:	Hai Torley. ;D
[13:23]	:	You could always link to general useful links on secondlife.com though. :)
[13:24]	:	Hai Arwyn! Glad you could make our office hours. How are you liking the Main Grid so far?
[13:24]	:	torley: ahh okay, well no problem! please do enlighten me further once you, or any of the doc team have more time. ill be more then willing to add it!
[13:24]	:	It's pretty good and really big! I get confused easily
[13:24]	:	Oh geez - I just realized the jello mould was an AV. LOL
[13:24]	:	LOL R0N you don't look like a surgeon or politician... more like a gambler!
[13:24]	:	hey Arwyn!
[13:24]	:	Hi Jon.
[13:24]	:	i wood add you all to my frend but there meny of you
[13:24]	:	Hi Kate!
[13:25]	:	Youri, the current info we have on https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2009/06/24/sl-website-dashboard-beta :) There'll likely be an update in the future.
[13:25]	:	Jon gets those reactions, hur hur hurrr!
[13:25]	:	illl try
[13:25]	:	okat, thanks torley! ill copy the link :)
[13:25]	:	That does happen, Arwyn. After 3 1/2 years I don't often get confused... but it does still happen now and then.
[13:25]	:	Small quibble - the bananas should be sliced. But recipes vary.
[13:25]	:	lol
[13:25]	:	I like the dashboards, they can be pretty helpful, but even the teen ones show XStreet info and only the MG amp
[13:26]	:	i should sit on a different chair that makes me change position from time to time
[13:26]	:	there would be a telltale jiggle
[13:26]	:	Please send friendship requests to Torley Olmstead, that's mah alt. :)
[13:26]	:	Ahh - the tell-tale jiggle.
[13:26]	:	As noted in mah profile.
[13:26]	 	loves telltale jiggles
[13:26]	:	Torley have you been watching too many Westerns?
[13:26]	:	Torley: mind if i copy pasted the entire text and pictures? Think that makes the best way to let people understand it better
[13:27]	:	August, not yet.
[13:27]	:	OK Youri. :)
[13:27]	:	okay, thanks :)
[13:27]	:	wait till you get cracking into that Quantumn Leap boxset!
[13:27]	:	ill creat it after Blue's meeting and upload it as well :)
[13:27]	 	wavies to wae
[13:27]	:	hey Wae!
[13:27]	:	Oh yeah I gotta clarify that on Twitter... it's actually a DIFFERENT Quantum Leap.
[13:27]	:	hello friends!!! : )
[13:27]	:	argh i cant see still
[13:28]	:	Which may have more DVDs than the TV show with Scott Bakula (bless his heart).
[13:28]	:	brb
[13:28]	:	there's a different Quantumn Leap...eek
[13:28]	:	http://www.soundsonline.com/
[13:28]	:	did i miss eney one?
[13:28]	:	^ sound design needs serious tools!
[13:28]	:	should not take more then 1 hours i guess (6pm SL time?)
[13:28]	:	omg whos is jurassic park
[13:29]	:	me lol
[13:29]	:	aloha
[13:29]	:	Hugo, that's ominous, a pink-green puff!
[13:29]	:	sl crash i ll be back hahah
[13:29]	:	It'll change in a few seconds Torley
[13:30]	:	is ivery one on my frend list?
[13:30]	:	If anyone needs a short URL to our Tips & Tricks blog, it's http://bit.ly/sltnt , as shown explosively in this mini-advert: http://vimeo.com/6182052
[13:30]	:	Welcome to the Universal Translator. To configure options type "translator" into public chat. For privacy use channel #777 by typing "/777 translator".
[13:30]	:	did i miss eney one?
[13:30]	:	Jon, you look delicious...I rarely say that to an avatar...
[13:30]	:	o.O
[13:30]	:	We might almost have a zoo here.
[13:30]	:	lol
[13:31]	:	Hi all :)
[13:31]	:	's one of the things I always love in SL. It's th' diversity of our personal beings.
[13:31]	:	Yes, I love hearing why people decided to choose a particular avatar. What it means to them.
[13:31]	:	i can't take the credit; i got this at Grendel's Children a while ago
[13:31]	 	nods
[13:31]	:	:O
[13:31]	:	We should do a Come As Your Snack avatar party.
[13:31]	 	giggles
[13:31]	:	That would certainly be a... snacktivity.
[13:31]	:	I'm back
[13:31]	:	(HAHAHA I FINALLY WORKED THAT IN TO AN OFFICE HOUR)
[13:32]	:	wb kate!
[13:32]	:	that's either a good or bad pun!
[13:32]	:	August, either way, I'm sure it's delicious.
[13:32]	:	haha torley!
[13:32]	:	It's Torley Linden's Video Tutorials
[13:32]	:	You can you learn Second LIfe in a fun and fast fashion.
[13:32]	:	That's extactly what I advertise! Hahahaha!
[13:32]	:	:)
[13:32]	:	I'm saving my steamy apple pie avatar for the Fall
[13:32]	:	jackieisthegirl, send friendship to Torley Olmstead as I've requested before. Thank you. :)
[13:32]	:	lol
[13:32]	:	Youri, truth in advertising.
[13:32]	:	I'm saving my fork avatar for the fall then
[13:32]	 	points to her avatar - I got my winter jacket already!
[13:32]	:	Your image post has arrived at blogHUD.com []: see http://bloghud.com/id/33362
[13:32]	:	lol
[13:33]	:	:O
[13:33]	:	hiya wb from sl crash hah
[13:33]	:	Anyone have suggestions for what sort of knowledge you'd like to see shared on our SLTNT blog?
[13:33]	:	So I heard this.. rumor... at SLCC about a TNT Bear?
[13:33]	:	/plans to shop for a faster running animation
[13:33]	:	It's not like a dynamite monkey, I hope
[13:33]	:	I just posted design insights on why it's important for products you sell to have quality documentation and typography. :)
[13:33]	:	Coming from the last office hours, folks were talking about building best practices. What about that, Torley ?
[13:33]	:	I'd love to see more on managing group land
[13:33]	:	That'd be a great bear. xD
[13:33]	:	I want to learn how to do mixed reality events some tips on that would be nice
[13:33]	:	O.o yes. I do need to pass out the TNT bear to people who have commented on my blog posts!
[13:33]	:	things about texture sizes, etc
[13:34]	:	are we talking General tips for the public, because I've noticed you can now turn the typing anim off in the Preferences window...I only noticed that yesterday how long's that been there?
[13:34]	:	Shortcuts
[13:34]	 	waves
[13:34]	:	Oooh... yes DrFran, those are always useful. The sorts of stuff that's not indicated in the Viewer but very practical.
[13:34]	 	must step away for a moment, brb
[13:34]	 	
[13:34]	:	Go for me, Jon
[13:34]	:	Ricken, while we don't have a wealth of info yet, I suggest seeing and adding to http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Event_hosting
[13:34]	 	wonders what flavor of jello Jon is
[13:34]	:	wb jon!
[13:34]	:	green
[13:34]	 	grins
[13:35]	:	How to size a snapshot so it doesn't get squished when you put in in your profile. (Or has that been covered?)
[13:35]	:	Marianne's right...obviously
[13:35]	:	August, yes... ! That's one of my faves! And one of the popular video tutorials. I blogged about that awhile ago too so you will want to subscribe to http://bit.ly/sltnt if it interests you :)
[13:35]	:	okay I will put that on my to do list
[13:35]	:	CyFishy, that hasn't been covered yet in detail. Wonder if anyone's already done a guide for that, that's practical. Oh, and Snowglobe has an aspect ratio control for textures. Which is very handy.
[13:35]	:	a good tip that some residents dont know is using the shift key with the arrow keys to actually walk in that direction
[13:35]	:	instead of just turning
[13:36]	:	CyFishy that also ties into the Limits page, but... with the upcoming Viewer 2.0 some of that (I hope) may be unified or moot. We'll see...
[13:36]	:	Yeah Ricken, strafe-esque.
[13:36]	:	is 2.0 coming soon?
[13:36]	 	has a sad about shadows and all in 2.0
[13:36]	:	Gotta go to the doctors, nice seeing you all. Bai!
[13:36]	:	What's your definition of "soon"? Hehe.
[13:36]	:	Take care Arwyn!
[13:36]	 	might have Jiraed itt as a new feature, beforer learning it possible to Strafe
[13:36]	:	Have... fun, Awryn!
[13:36]	:	like before 2011?
[13:36]	:	Or holding down Space bar when falling (with focus inworld).
[13:36]	:	see you Awryn
[13:36]	:	i love shadows, i wait can be done better soon
[13:36]	:	"Real Soon Now"
[13:37]	:	I hope so August. We'll announce details on http://blogs.secondlife.com as they emerge and we can forecast milestones.
[13:37]	:	snails we use space bar a lot
[13:37]	:	I love em too, Waelya, but it sounds like I'll never see 'em
[13:37]	:	Always dangerous to promise something you can't deliver.
[13:37]	:	Shadows haven't been abandoned... it's just indefinite at this point...
[13:37]	:	yeah Snail racing and space bar...if you need to teach people to use spacebar get them to come to the track on a saturday :)
[13:37]	:	I'm still looking for a good machinima recorder. On a MacBook and it always comes out chunky style. Prolly limits of the CPU. :(
[13:37]	:	works good enough shadows in my pc.. just some bugs...
[13:37]	:	True, Torley. T made it fairly clear that it would not be offered outside of the Windows environment
[13:37]	:	lolo @ August
[13:37]	:	Snails
[13:37]	:	Robbo, have you tried Screenflow?
[13:37]	:	GO,GO, ESCARGOTS !!!!!!!!
[13:37]	:	GO, GO, ESCARGOTS !!!!!
[13:38]	:	shadows are still in the viewers, just hidden, you can activate them if you would liek that. do know, it may cause crashes
[13:38]	 	suspects DrFran of attending the races.
[13:38]	:	I have - it still jumps frames too much for my tatse - not smooth. Not the faultof the program, I'm sure, just my old hardware. lol
[13:38]	:	i tryed to put shadows with graphics in High.. not in Ultra.. and works very good
[13:38]	:	huh, i didn't know about the space bar thing
[13:38]	 	announces the races from time to time
[13:38]	:	DrFran is Second Life's foremost Escargologist
[13:38]	:	mmmm - escargot
[13:38]	:	hehe
[13:38]	:	Mari, yeah, the current Mac unavailability concerned me too... that's not the only specific approach to shadows though (I'll let graphics gurus speak more to that, but games like COD4 are on Mac and certainly have realistic lights/shadows)...
[13:39]	:	Robbo, oh, as in it captures a lot slower than what you actually see onscreen?
[13:39]	:	Mmmm snailz!
[13:39]	:	isn't that down to the lack of open GL drivers for OSX?
[13:39]	:	Shadows can be enabled from the debug settings. Options in the debug settings are there for testing by our developers, not as a new feature. We do give you access to debug settings so you can try things out and provide feedback. Sometimes we import options into the viewer from debug settings.
[13:39]	:	:)
[13:39]	:	So, Mac client doesn't have shadows?
[13:39]	:	August, Apple provides the OpenGL support but they are... controlling...
[13:40]	:	Torley, yeah - it gets jumpy. I've taken to shooting off the monitor with a handicam. LOL It works but it also makes some interesting moire patterns. :D
[13:40]	:	Snow Leopard feature... yes...
[13:40]	:	Mac users are always the orphan children.
[13:40]	:	Nope, Niky. I've known some who've managed it in a couple limited cases, but... well see!
[13:40]	:	I didn't want to say "Apple controls everything" I get attacked for saying such things
[13:40]	:	Robbo, to what Niky said (I think, or maybe that was a lucky coincidence), Snow Leopard should have a built-in movie recorder. I wonder how that will work for you.
[13:40]	 	assumes the role of an orphaned match girl on a snowy street corner.
[13:40]	:	who is torley here ?
[13:40]	:	Who doesn't control?
[13:40]	:	i dont see ya
[13:40]	:	YAY! (yay!)
[13:40]	:	for Snow Leopard
[13:40]	:	Just Linux community perhaps
[13:40]	:	They don't control everything but Apple is definitely a lot more tighter (for good, bad, and in-between) about hardware-software dynamics than the Windows side.
[13:41]	:	i think torley = torley :p
[13:41]	:	Croft, I'm a Dr. Seuss-ish bird. Ha ha!
[13:41]	:	could be wrong tho :p
[13:41]	:	LOL Robbo I know that story!
[13:41]	:	Oooooo - snow leopard. Tastes as good as escargot and wobbles like jello. Can't wait to try it.
[13:41]	:	only 1 torley here :D
[13:41]	:	what too fast the screen scrolls hahaah
[13:41]	:	lol@ Robbo
[13:41]	:	i dont understand here haha
[13:41]	:	Now that's an ad pitch I can get behind!
[13:41]	:	Snow Leopard almost there... Sept is coming
[13:41]	:	The current Mac OS has a built in screen capture. It's just not enabled. It is how Berio gets screen video
[13:41]	:	Croft, oh we're navigating through some very fun topics. And some are even useful! That's what I like most... useful fun.
[13:42]	:	Mari, I didn't know that aspect.
[13:42]	:	I don't mind using the handicam - I can pul off some quick & dirty verite "shakey-cam" stuff. hee hee
[13:42]	:	Robbo, like Cloverfield?
[13:42]	:	Yes but not as vomit inducing.
[13:42]	:	I did not either, but Berio is a small program that simpy enables the feature in the Mac OS
[13:42]	:	lols @ Second Life Cloverfield style
[13:42]	:	LOL
[13:43]	:	Anyone knows if it is harmfull the smcfan utility on Mac...? like, SL brings my computer to like 80C temperature
[13:43]	:	Haha, there's also the Active Camera plugin: http://www.newbluefx.com/motion-effects.html?vmcchk=1
[13:43]	 	tends to run two players @ once and doesn't want to crash things with filming on top of that.
[13:43]	:	Niky, I've used it before and it wasn't harmful on my particular MacBook Pro which had overheating issues before I had the logic board replaced.
[13:43]	:	hmmm
[13:43]	:	(Disclosure: I design video plugin technology which I then... end up using with SL movies.)
[13:44]	 	recommends placing a bottle of Ice Water on the box
[13:44]	:	btw, i really love the spacenavigator, it is really really useful and cool!
[13:44]	:	Cool...
[13:44]	:	and not very expensive
[13:44]	:	Waelya - I should have one soon. Looks amazing
[13:44]	:	Glad you do, waelya! I'm glad they're pretty affordable, I've seen them around for like, US$40.
[13:44]	:	waelya I love the space navigator also. I'm using it now :)
[13:44]	:	do it Mari really reallynice
[13:44]	:	yes
[13:44]	:	Thanks Torley... just checking, because afraid of spinning the fan faster than the OS usually does.
[13:45]	:	yeah same here : ) i love be in second life with the left hand : )
[13:45]	:	Making innovative controls really cheap is super-important to adoption. (Sorry I can't reply to IMs, please ask out in the open and that increases your chances of answership too, someone else likely knows what I don't!)
[13:45]	:	... and worn it faster...
[13:45]	:	Niky, I'd also check other reports — any particular reason you need to make the fan go faster?
[13:45]	:	writing a paper on organisational communication in Virtual settings any insights or quotes feel free to let me know rickenflow@gmail.com
[13:45]	:	Mari, you will see to make machinimas is really useful
[13:45]	:	Niky, I keep my mac on a fan tray when running SL. Sitting it on four wine corks helps too, and lets air circulate underneath.
[13:45]	:	Oooh Ricken, well one thing for sure... when making scripted chairs... use CLICK ACTIONS and SET CAMERA POSITION.
[13:45]	:	Ya, that's one of the things I'm most excited about with it
[13:45]	:	Well, 80C kind of high isn't it?
[13:46]	:	hmm, my MBP is burning a hole in my lap.
[13:46]	:	Problem is Mac ventilation is through the keyboard and back
[13:46]	:	not under
[13:46]	:	I use that Griffin stand - lifts it up -saves my neck from snapping when I lean over to far to type
[13:46]	:	Niky, depends on the machine, MBPs DO run hot — check manuals for tolerable temperature specs and if you have AppleCare and are experiencing hardware woes, definitely get it checked out!
[13:46]	:	Ya, I love click actions, especially with sitting
[13:46]	:	Mine is the basic Macbook...
[13:46]	:	Looks like Jackie fund the gestures folder...
[13:46]	 	grins
[13:46]	:	USE CLICK ACTIONS <- one of the strongest recommendations I have. Not using them just makes your stuff harder to use.
[13:46]	:	haha
[13:46]	:	YAY MARI
[13:46]	:	:)
[13:47]	:	Hahahahaha. Mmmm gesture fun.
[13:47]	:	*FART* AAAAAHHH ITS HOT!!!
[13:47]	:	'click actions'?
[13:47]	:	Yes! Click actions! https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/tnt/blog/2009/04/09/business-5-things-every-second-life-shopkeeper-should-know
[13:47]	:	llSetClickAction(CLICK_ACTION_SIT)
[13:47]	:	lol
[13:47]	:	Ya. the ability to click to sit and buy an stuff, rather than having to use the whole pie menu to make it happen
[13:47]	:	I wanna know how Abuse Report really works...
[13:47]	 	already does that.
[13:48]	:	"Click actions let your customers buy stuff and open boxes after ONE CLICK, making it easier for them to purchase then enjoy your wares. More experienced Resis may go, "But right-clicking the pie menu isn't so hard..." WAIT! Think of the many newcomers we have and how un-obvious that is! Also consider how that problematically adds up time after time, and what a refreshing relief you'll be by doing it better. Pending future usability improvements, click actions are available NOW. Learn how to use them in 2 minutes, your time well-spent!"
[13:48]	:	GREAT!
[13:48]	:	ow my.... almost forgot my tea again!
[13:48]	:	dance 1
[13:48]	:	i hate like when pass the mouse over a object and show the symbol of action buy... but there nothing in sell.. like this... how say.. like this place where we are sit now.. chair..?
[13:48]	 	also does that for the teleporter in his house.
[13:48]	:	It just shouldn't require the extra click, that's avoided with good design
[13:48]	:	Yuki if you go to the KB and search Abuse Report, you will find a few helpful articles : https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417
[13:48]	:	yeah I hate that too Wae
[13:49]	 	loves learning new things
[13:49]	:	as the world rezzzes ...
[13:49]	:	Arawn, in a lot of cases it's unavoidable due to the pie menu. The single click action is a replacement for the pie menu choice.
[13:49]	:	happens with some furniture coffee tables and a lot of rocks for some reason
[13:49]	:	Problem is when default action is Buy and object is not for sale... lol
[13:49]	:	Hey Kara
[13:49]	:	yes
[13:49]	:	i see a lot
[13:49]	:	hiya Mari
[13:49]	:	yo
[13:49]	:	and then the object is no mod...so it's stuck on buy...
[13:49]	:	waelya, I've seen that and I think that's dysfunctional... er... buggy behavior.
[13:49]	:	Yeah one of the couches here had this problem!
[13:49]	:	AND STILL DOES.
[13:50]	:	yes
[13:50]	:	This red couch where I'm at that waelya is sitting on.
[13:50]	:	this red one is bad
[13:50]	:	Example in action!
[13:50]	:	:(
[13:50]	 	just clicked on the couch
[13:50]	 	not appear to be for sale.
[13:50]	:	I prefer to stand at the back of the room - like a school supervisor - or some dude ready to make a hasty exit.
[13:50]	:	yes
[13:50]	:	Hey Jackie, how's that dance working out for you? Looks like you sure are getting a good workout.
[13:50]	:	:)
[13:50]	:	Hahah Robbo, that's so funny. Super Nintendo Chalmers!
[13:50]	:	:O
[13:51]	:	It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum... and I'm all outta gum.
[13:51]	:	~~~* lmao *~~~
[13:51]	 	passes Youri some gum
[13:51]	:	Ah, vaporware.
[13:51]	:	lol, thanks august :)
[13:51]	:	linden get IMs capped lol
[13:51]	:	Jackie, please see my profile. :)
[13:52]	:	ok
[13:52]	:	Looking forward to the not-so-distant future when augmented relaity apps allow us to overlay SL with the real world and completely fry our minds.
[13:52]	:	Haha this is surreal sitting next to Daniel.
[13:52]	:	We're like the super Obsk twins.
[13:52]	:	it's kind of great
[13:52]	:	hahah
[13:52]	:	giggles
[13:52]	:	btw thank you for adding me torley on my flicker
[13:52]	:	Robbo, and then we'll look back and laugh at how primitive this was in comparison, just as we laugh at a Space Invaders cabinet today.
[13:52]	:	Ready for action!
[13:52]	:	Definitely!
[13:52]	:	You're welcome yukii! I frequent Flickr a lot and will look for new pics from you. :)
[13:53]	:	Oh my... I love the Avies in the office hours... so cool and nice... =)
[13:53]	 	's eyes glaze over as he fondly remembers pong.
[13:53]	:	I'm Duke Nukem, and I'm coming to get the rest of your alien bastards!
[13:53]	:	lol look for ur im torley
[13:53]	 	strums his ancient Lyre: Vaporware
 all my troubles solved by Vaporware
[13:53]	:	in ur IM
[13:53]	:	Pong vs. Duke Nukem - interesting game concept.
[13:53]	:	lol
[13:54]	:	Best way to reach me when I'm not around is Web tab of my profile, I occasionally check outbound email boxes (on Flickr and the like) but they're too scattered.
[13:54]	:	Pong Nukem?
[13:54]	:	Arkanukem?
[13:54]	:	duke pong?
[13:54]	:	To the tune of Scrambled Eggs, aka Yesterday
[13:54]	:	Or Nuke Pong'em
[13:54]	:	Duke Pongem
[13:54]	:	I remember 300 baud modems! We had to watch the text scroll across the screen! And we were GRATEFUL!
[13:54]	:	lol
[13:54]	 	shakes cane.
[13:54]	 	wonders if she dares ask what the topic-du-jour is
[13:54]	:	Blow it out your ass!
[13:54]	:	one - word - at - a - time
[13:54]	:	CyFishy, I remember how long it took to download pictures... and how people got SEVERELY scolded for not compressing a file.
[13:54]	:	I saw a YT video... Duke Nukem for iPhone coming...
[13:54]	:	there's a topic?
[13:54]	 	used to have a 50 baud, for compuserve
[13:54]	 	thinks bck fondly to house spent with a 1200 bps moden and a Mac SE/30
[13:54]	:	man! It was like the text took speech lessons from bill Shatner.
[13:54]	:	youri, man, calm down with the sound gestures
[13:54]	:	you had a 1200? lucky!
[13:55]	:	lol, sorry jon :)
[13:55]	:	SL wouldnt work in a 1200boud modem lol
[13:55]	:	Started with a 300 and just kept on movin' up.
[13:55]	:	I remember not being happy when someone sent me a 1MB email attachment and it took HALF A FREAKIN' HOUR to download.
[13:55]	:	ahh a 56k modem and a badly beat up 486...my youth...
[13:55]	:	lol torley
[13:55]	:	yukii - SL wasn't yet a glimmer int he eye then, too
[13:55]	:	that takes me just 1 minute :)
[13:55]	:	dance 1
[13:55]	:	tops :D
[13:55]	:	Goodness... remembered the Teletext times, 1200/75 modems... assynchronous...
[13:55]	:	i got a 20mb line :)
[13:56]	:	Hahaha Niky.
[13:56]	:	brb guys
[13:56]	:	The net before the web - the Well - BBSs - DialCom - ahhhh!
[13:56]	:	i beat you youri
[13:56]	:	i have 50Bmit
[13:56]	:	LOL does anyone remember... those... telegrams? And something called the... Pony Express?
[13:56]	:	bit
[13:56]	:	Niky - absolutely.
[13:56]	:	going up soon, to 50
[13:56]	:	Before Second Life there was Habitat, I recommend looking that up. :)
[13:56]	:	:)
[13:56]	:	free update :)
[13:56]	:	Quantum Link.
[13:56]	 	started with a 300 .... which was the high speed model at the time
[13:56]	:	Torley - remember snoke signals? Those were the days
[13:56]	:	The graphics are like multiplayer Maniac Mansion.
[13:56]	:	Before SL, there was The Palace.
[13:56]	 	leans on his walker - remembering the "good" old days.
[13:56]	:	i remember working on 33.6k modem :o
[13:56]	:	Ah, fun times.
[13:56]	:	back
[13:57]	:	Oh gosh darnit those smoke signals... and nowadays all these younguns are on about their alphabet soup... P2P... MP3... iPhone 3G S
[13:57]	:	jungle drums :)
[13:57]	:	maybe cool if some day SecondLife invenmtary will have icons of objects images.. small images with every object
[13:57]	 	was one of the "first million" on both SL and AOL.
[13:57]	:	I wonddered what I would need 256K of memory for.
[13:57]	:	I frequented The Palace a lot. That place had no shortage of smiley faces.
[13:57]	:	my inventary is totally crazy thing.. wonder how cool can be if objects have image
[13:57]	:	would SL work if they turn into DirectX D3D
[13:57]	:	waelya - I wish we could more effectively group both inventory and contacts
[13:58]	:	My friend came up with a "Pet Guest" texture and people copied the hell out of it.
[13:58]	:	waelya, alas that's not trivial due to how the inventory doesn't "reveal" all the attributes. Quicker preview would be nice.
[13:58]	:	There was the Sinclair times where soft would get by tapes.... and if energy went out, another 8-10 minutes to load all again...
[13:58]	:	I hope in the future we can add all Calling Card functionality to Friends list and quell that confusion.
[13:58]	:	aight, ill be off to the next meeting :)
[13:58]	:	everybody have an excellent rest of the week -- i've got to run!
[13:58]	:	yeah that is... quisker preview.... so cool can be
[13:58]	:	LOL Niky, I almost had a tape deck for my Commodore 64.
[13:58]	:	thanks doc team for this meeting!
[13:58]	 	remembers tapes . . . on an Apple II
[13:58]	:	bye bye all!
[13:58]	:	time f'r me to scoot as well. A quisk stop in First Life for a while
[13:59]	:	Great to see everyone this week!
[13:59]	:	this was great!!! I learned a ton
[13:59]	:	There's this AWESOME Apple II screensaver under XScreenSaver I think it is. It's so beautiful.
[13:59]	:	by by
[13:59]	:	Jon - "run" ? Really? Not wobble?
[13:59]	:	Likewise, Kate!
[13:59]	:	Oh, will check taht out
[13:59]	:	Bye Bye!!
[13:59]	:	Slide maybe.
[13:59]	:	bye!!
[13:59]	:	Have fun everybuggy!
[13:59]	:	Were any Mixed Reality Events recorded?
[13:59]	:	Take care Marianne....
[13:59]	:	I could definitely talk about lots of retro computer stuff for ages.
[13:59]	:	Those were great time
[13:59]	:	I was using TileStack for a bit - trying to resuurect some old HyperCard programs - still not there yet.
[13:59]	:	times*
[14:00]	:	***sigh***
[14:00]	:	my first was a spectrum
[14:00]	:	48k
[14:00]	:	was so funny!
[14:00]	:	mine too, Waelya
[14:00]	:	Oh my gosh i played with HyperCard SO much... and all the stock sounds it came with.
[14:00]	:	And we felt we would know the about it... today it's so diverse... can't keep up...
[14:00]	 	keeps an IMSAI in his office, just in case faculty complain about the speed of their computers.
[14:00]	:	I made a piano in that thing with the "Boing!" noise.
[14:00]	:	Hahaha Daikon. Puts it all in perspective.
[14:00]	:	know all*
[14:00]	 	did arithmatic problems on a desk top calculator, with an electric motor
[14:00]	:	I think some SLCC recordings were on http://slconvention.ning.com/ but I don't know of the scope of them.
[14:00]	:	Torley - we made a kids storybook stack called "Ali Baa Baa & The Forty Winks" - really sweet.
[14:00]	:	OMG piano tune with Boing?
[14:00]	:	lol
[14:01]	:	haha
[14:01]	:	lol
[14:01]	:	Oh cool Robbo! I made sort of space exploration thing (which I later would find out was kinda like Cosmic Osmo)... I called it Galaxy II (there was never a Galaxy I or III).
[14:01]	:	i miss you there escargologist : ) i cant wait to hear you explaining draws
[14:01]	:	In the early 90s I got into VRML... felt lonely, wanted a virtual world with more people in it... :)
[14:01]	:	=)
[14:02]	 	remembers VRML
[14:02]	:	And then in 2004 I found out about Second Life. Fast forward to our present and I'm here with all of you!
[14:02]	:	soz that was me
[14:02]	:	I'd better save this transcript since Jeremy isn't here, too.
[14:02]	:	We did ours the same time Inigo and ManHole, the precursor of Myst.
[14:02]	:	Oh yeah CyFishy? I played with Virtus VR and others.
[14:02]	 	had a friend who did a VRML installation a the Arts Festival of Atlanta.
[14:02]	:	Oh my gosh, YES! I know Manhole too...
[14:02]	:	AHHH BELOVED MEMORIES!
[14:02]	:	oopps
[14:02]	:	Pardon this has been most fun, but I must go.
[14:02]	 	remembers Manhole, too.
[14:02]	:	Thanks for being here with Doc Team at our Office Hours.
[14:02]	 	is only getting one error every 30 seconds--- snowglobe on solaris. yay.
[14:03]	:	ok ttorly
[14:03]	:	I still play Manhole via an emulator from time to time.
[14:03]	:	Bai bai 4 nao!
[14:03]	:	see ya later
[14:03]	:	Yeah - just as CD Rom was coming into play. Ours was just crammed on to 2 diskettes - but we got good reviews. Four And A Half Mice!! Woot!
[14:03]	:	bai Torley
[14:03]	:	LOL
[14:03]	:	home to put out my new Bears!
[14:03]	:	yaya
[14:03]	:	bye Dr!!
[14:03]	:	Way cool, Robbo! THE GOLDEN AGE OF MULTIMEDIA and I look forward to a pic soon, DrFran!
[14:03]	:	will do
[14:03]	:	*waves and smiles*
 
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