Adult Content User Group/01/09/2012

==Attendees List==
*Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
*Dee Kass (dee.kass)
*Evelynn Kidd (evelynn.kidd)
*Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
*JeZeBeLe Dagger (jezebele.dagger)
*Martin RJ (martinrj.fayray)
*Nal (nalates.urriah)
*Qie (qie.niangao)
*Wiener Blut (silvanus.northman)
*only in sl (viale.linden)
*Xiola Linden (xiola.linden)
==Transcript for Monday January 9, 2012==
[10:01]	Wiener Blut 	Hi all together
[10:01]	Dee Kass 	hi everyone
[10:01]	Xiola Linden 	Hello everyone
[10:01]	Counter Landfall	Hi Viale, hi everyone
[10:01]	Counter Landfall	and Happy New Year to all
[10:02]	only in sl 	Happy New Yeal all
[10:02]	only in sl 	New Year!
[10:02]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	its almost chinese new year of the black water dragon
[10:02]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	excitement
[10:02]	Evelynn Kidd 	bonne annÃ©e
[10:02]	Dee Kass 	Happy 2012 to all as wel
[10:02]	Innula Zenovka 	hi, Xiola, Viale.. happy new year
[10:02]	Xiola Linden 	Happy 2012
[10:02]	Wiener Blut 	yeah happy new year lets see if the Maya prophecy means SL too ; )
[10:03]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	silvanus yes indeed! lol end of a era beginning of a new one
[10:03]	only in sl 	We have 6 agenda items: 1. Category Suggestion - Shopping
[10:04]	only in sl 	I willl move into the agenda
[10:04]	only in sl 	Categories
[10:05]	only in sl 	We discussed last time the idea of changing the categories on the adult forum and 2 suggestions came in from the group
[10:05]	Dee Kass 	I posted Adult Employment twice
[10:05]	Dee Kass 	suggested *
[10:06]	only in sl 	We decided that creating a 2nd shopping category was probably not a good idea
[10:06]	only in sl 	as it is already in commerce
[10:07]	Innula Zenovka 	yeah, but when someone posted in the Commerce one about wanting to find some adult stuff, it got removed
[10:07]	Xiola Linden 	From the previous onversations about categories in Adult, it seemed like most felt it would further marginalize the larger community
[10:07]	Innula Zenovka 	that's why i suggested having an adult one
[10:07]	Counter Landfall	sounds like a moderation issue
[10:07]	Xiola Linden 	at this time, the adult forums are covered by the same guidelines as all forums
[10:07]	Counter Landfall	should be solvable
[10:08]	Innula Zenovka 	well, in that case, would someone have a word with the moderators? cos i can't see why else the particular question i answered was removed, and i'm wondering if there are others that have similarly gone
[10:08]	only in sl 	we discussed employment last time
[10:08]	only in sl 	That is also a redundant category
[10:09]	only in sl 	we have inworld employment
[10:09]	Dee Kass 	I missed it apparently however too many teens are posting wanting jobs
[10:09]	Xiola Linden 	i can check into it, Innula. There may have been another issue if you didn't receive a note from the moderator
[10:09]	only in sl 	it may have been moved to shopping/commerce
[10:09]	Dee Kass 	& applying to Adult positions
[10:10]	only in sl 	The next item is Zexpo
[10:10]	Innula Zenovka 	Please,Xiola .. it was something I replied to, and I didn't get a note, so i assume it was the actual question that was removed (I don't think it was moved)
[10:10]	Counter Landfall	What about Announcment category?
[10:10]	Counter Landfall	... did I miss that?
[10:10]	Xiola Linden 	if you could PM any details you recall to help me find the thread, that would be appreciated.
[10:10]	Innula Zenovka 	will do
[10:11]	Xiola Linden 	thanks
[10:11]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	thank you for following up with Innulas request
[10:11]	only in sl 	counter - could announcements be collapsed into events?
[10:11]	Counter Landfall	not really
[10:12]	Xiola Linden 	Counter - what is the specific clutter that you were referring to? It is items that should be posted elsewhere? like Upcoming Events?
[10:12]	Counter Landfall	there sems to be a lot of announcments that are not events
[10:12]	only in sl 	I see like meetings?
[10:12]	Counter Landfall	like someone have made s wonder ful video, or a group has something they want to announce
[10:12]	Counter Landfall	could be mettings
[10:13]	Counter Landfall	too much of this goes into general discussion, but it snot really discussion material
[10:14]	only in sl 	I think we could consider replacing welcome with announcements
[10:14]	only in sl 	for videos
[10:14]	Qie 	that sounds promising
[10:14]	Counter Landfall	that could work
[10:14]	only in sl 	that would probably go into creation
[10:15]	Xiola Linden 	I think the distinction might not be clear initially, but it could work
[10:15]	only in sl 	ok - zexpo
[10:15]	only in sl 	any zexpo attendees here?
[10:15]	Evelynn Kidd 	yes
[10:16]	Evelynn Kidd 	i was there
[10:16]	only in sl 	Evelyn - are you a group officer
[10:16]	Evelynn Kidd 	no
[10:16]	only in sl 	any group officers?
[10:16]	only in sl 	ok
[10:16]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	I helped with Zindra Expo 2009 I coordinated education
[10:16]	only in sl 	We need to setup a separate meeting with Zexpo group
[10:17]	Evelynn Kidd 	ginette is online if you want me to call her
[10:17]	Counter Landfall	she just posted in the forum about pointless meeting...
[10:17]	only in sl 	We need to make zexpo a Resident run group and remove any special land rights from the group
[10:17]	Counter Landfall	sounds like the right thing to do
[10:17]	Evelynn Kidd 	a seperate meeting would be better
[10:18]	only in sl 	the fair thing to do
[10:18]	Qie 	hmmm. I'm not finding zexpo in search of groups
[10:18]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	Counter I disagree she wants to create a event community network.. Viale that needed to be done at every event when it was over lol.
[10:18]	only in sl 	we wiill coordinate a meeting with the zepo officers
[10:18]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	I certainly agree Viale lol
[10:19]	only in sl 	ok moving onto 4. Third form of communication
[10:19]	only in sl 	This is Ginnette's item
[10:19]	only in sl 	she is not here
[10:19]	only in sl 	moving onto 5
[10:20]	only in sl 	chnage of founder for the Adult Vortex sandbox
[10:20]	only in sl 	This is a ginette item
[10:20]	only in sl 	6. DG Kiosks
[10:20]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	I found a teenager in the adult vortex
[10:20]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	i dont even think he was 10 years old
[10:20]	only in sl 	Report that to Support
[10:21]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	it was reported by RHN
[10:21]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	yes
[10:21]	Evelynn Kidd 	then she was not a teenage
[10:21]	only in sl 	So we talked about DG Kiosks
[10:22]	only in sl 	We have decided to put Linden effort into making the Destination floater in the SL viewer more flexible to have an adult category and others
[10:22]	Counter Landfall	Counter Landfall listening
[10:23]	only in sl 	There was an agenda item that is missing - age verification
[10:23]	only in sl 	It is still a challenge
[10:24]	Dee Kass 	yes
[10:24]	only in sl 	We will work with the user experience team to make this easier
[10:24]	Dee Kass 	the kids lie
[10:24]	only in sl 	its painfule to be inworld, jump to the web, close viewer and restart
[10:24]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	Since the teen merge i havent felt protected to sell adult items in world.
[10:25]	Counter Landfall	every day I have residents having been in SL over 1000 days seeking info on how to verify in my age verify info zone.
[10:25]	Counter Landfall	why?
[10:25]	Nal 	Restarting the viewer is a pain. I suspect some fail to realize a restart is needed.
[10:25]	Wiener Blut 	at all, its the parents who are responsible for the kids to not consume Adult stuff
[10:25]	only in sl 	Agree age verification has improved, but we need to make easier
[10:25]	Qie 	back on the DG kiosks thing -- the viewer category stuff but *not* any rezzed-in-world DG content (other than pointing shared media at a web version of the viewer stuff) ?
[10:25]	Counter Landfall	incorporate into signup process for all new residents
[10:26]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	you can say that. I dont trust it. i dont trust my liability tojust be remidied by blaming others for children purchasing my items. nope.
[10:26]	only in sl 	going back in forth in the application is a clumsy experience
[10:26]	Counter Landfall	New meny item on Help in the viewer, pointing directly to the page?
[10:27]	Counter Landfall	menu*
[10:27]	only in sl 	Ok = those are the agenda items for today. Any question on those items
[10:27]	Dee Kass 	plus when an Adult tries to TP to a age verified needed area they get lost trying to verify
[10:27]	only in sl 	I hear you Dee
[10:28]	only in sl 	We will make the experience better
[10:28]	Qie 	yes, sorry, I tried to ask about the DG stuff. Good to hear about the viewer categories, but does that mean we won't be getting any way to see DG content on rezzed-in-world prims?
[10:28]	Xiola Linden 	it's something we are looking into ways to make improvements on, so thank you for the ideas (age verification)
[10:28]	Dee Kass 	Yes I perused the last meeting notes & it seems Adult employment was left for duscusion @ a later time
[10:29]	Nal 	When a non-age ver uses the map in several viewers that is no error message. The tp button stays gray. No help is given. TPV's are really bad about that.
[10:29]	only in sl 	We will make the effort in the viewer for now.
[10:29]	Qie 	okay, thanks Viale. I'll let that drop for now, then.
[10:29]	Martin RJ 	I'd prefer something like the blogger content warning
[10:30]	only in sl 	Qie - its not a bad idea, but we think the priority is in the viewer
[10:30]	Qie 	understood.
[10:30]	Xiola Linden 	@Dee - we did touch on it and it was the feeling that doing a sep. category would isolate the group
[10:30]	Martin RJ 	with a button 'I agree and wish to proceed' after reading in a popup about that the following content is only for 18+
[10:30]	Dee Kass 	exactly to Adult
[10:31]	only in sl 	Yes, we should look at existing web exampkes
[10:31]	only in sl 	The way google treats it as well
[10:31]	Dee Kass 	why is adult verify not offered at sign up?
[10:32]	Dee Kass 	why leave it to them fiburing it out later?
[10:32]	Xiola Linden 	@Dee in a negative way. Since the threads in adult are subject to the same terms as the non-adult areas, it may not have much benefit to isolate it to adult employment
[10:32]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	i think in world that would be advisable too. "yuo have landed in an adult age verified space, please check yes or no if you are 18 years or older."
[10:32]	Dee Kass 	figuring*
[10:32]	Innula Zenovka 	any progress on the DG misreporting the number of people present at some venues?
[10:32]	Nal 	Google's blog notices are annoying. Seems there would be a better way.
[10:32]	only in sl 	@Innula - that we will be part of the Viewer/Destinations work
[10:32]	Innula Zenovka 	thanks
[10:32]	Counter Landfall	@Jez, you can't ask after you have landed. The damage is already done for some then
[10:33]	only in sl 	The DG needs to be better in the viewer
[10:33]	only in sl 	The search implementation does not show sub categories
[10:34]	only in sl 	If you guys have any more items, please feel free to contact community@lindenlab.com or on the adult forum feedback
[10:34]	only in sl 	Thanks for your time
[10:34]	Counter Landfall	ok, thanks
[10:34]	JeZeBeLe Dagger 	thank you for the meeting
[10:35]	Dee Kass 	bye everyone
[10:35]	Qie 	Well, actually, in Search, there is an "Adults Only" category under Destination Guide... but the Destinations floater itself doesn't have an Adult category (but it does have Vampires, somehow)
[10:35]	Evelynn Kidd 	thanks for your time only and xiola
[10:35]	Xiola Linden 	thanks all! I'll keep an eye out for your PM, Innula
[10:35]	Innula Zenovka 	thank you, viale and Xiola
[10:35]	Qie 	Thanks Viale and Xiola
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