Community Tools User Group/28-April-2011

Category:Community Tools User Group
==Attendees List==
*Adamburp Adamczyk (adamburp.adamczyk)
*Amanda Linden (amanda.linden)
*Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler)
*Argus Collingwood (argus.collingwood)
*Ashiri Sands (ashiri.sands)
*Attica Bekkers (attica.bekkers)
*badwitch (badwitch)
*bob Iwashi (bob.iwashi)
*Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)
*Daniel Voyager (daniel.voyager)
*Darrius Gothly (darrius.gothly)
*DogWomble Dollinger (dogwomble.dollinger)
*Dresden Ceriano (dresden.ceriano)
*Eddi Decosta (eddi.decosta)
*Gib Denver (gib.denver)
*Jeremy Linden (jeremy.linden)
*Kennylex Luckless (kennylex.luckless)
*Knowl Paine (knowl.paine)
*Lexie (lexie.linden)
*Lisa Fossett (lisa.fossett)
*Marianne McCann (marianne.mccann)
*Nemesis Ezarael (nemesis.ezarael)
*oobscure (opensource.obscure)
*Peewee Musytari (peewee.musytari)
*Qie (qie.niangao)
*Rand (rand.linden)
*Raymond Linden (raymond.linden)
*Second Life (second.life)
*stefen2 Stipe (stefen2.stipe)
*Torben (torben.trautman)
*Venus Petrov (venus.petrov)
*Youri Ashton (youri.ashton)
==Transcript for Thursday April 28, 2011==
[12:59]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Howdy! 	
[12:59]	Amanda Linden 	welcome all! 	
[12:59]	DogWomble Dollinger 	hey rand 	
[13:00]	DogWomble Dollinger 	and howdy amanda 	
[13:00]	Youri Ashton 	finally rand, took you long enough ^_~ hehe 	
[13:00]	Amanda Linden 	agenda here if you want to take a peek/add anything. 	
[13:00]	Amanda Linden 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group 	
[13:00]	Argus Collingwood 	click chair to change pose 	
[13:00]	Eddi Decosta 	Hey lexie! :) 	
[13:00]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Hi! 	
[13:00]	Youri Ashton 	hey lexie ^_^ 	
[13:01]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	hi Lexie 	
[13:01]	Peewee Musytari 	Halllooooo Lexie :) 	
[13:01]	Youri Ashton 	think we better wait till everyone rezzes amanda :p 	
[13:01]	Youri Ashton 	im sure a lot will come in still :) 	
[13:01]	Attica Bekkers 	sorry 	
[13:01]	Amanda Linden 	sure thing. we'll get started in a min or two. 	
[13:02]	Marianne McCann 	Hiya 	
[13:02]	Argus Collingwood 	*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*Ohh Haiii!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*'``'* 	
[13:03]	Argus Collingwood 	Mari that chair is better for smaller avi 	
[13:03]	Amanda Linden 	ok, we ready to get going? 	
[13:03]	Marianne McCann 	Right now, that chair doesn't exist on my screen 	
[13:04]	Marianne McCann 	/me giggles 	
[13:04]	DogWomble Dollinger 	i am :) 	
[13:04]	Argus Collingwood 	lol 	
[13:04]	Amanda Linden 	thanks all for joining! 	
[13:04]	Amanda Linden 	here's the agenda. 	
[13:04]	Youri Ashton 	i think so amanda 	
[13:04]	Amanda Linden 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group 	
[13:04]	Jeremy Linden 	Heh. I picked up some cool sculpty chairs for this space, but they don't seem to like to render very well. 	
[13:04]	Youri Ashton 	/me pokes jeremy 	
[13:04]	Amanda Linden 	first updates and then i'm hoping we can dig deeper on our new resi discussion. was amazing from last week. 	
[13:04]	Marianne McCann 	/me nods 	
[13:04]	Peewee Musytari 	heya jeremy 	
[13:04]	Amanda Linden 	so with that, updates from raymond/lexie... 	
[13:05]	Eddi Decosta 	/me poke Jeremy (loll) 	
[13:05]	Amanda Linden 	or lexie. :) 	
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	hehe 	
[13:05]	Jeremy Linden 	Yikes! Don't poke me, poke my bear :-D 	
[13:05]	Youri Ashton 	lol 	
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	UI Updates are still in progress. Stay tuned for more info on those as they complete 	
[13:05]	DogWomble Dollinger 	did someone say bear? 	
[13:05]	Youri Ashton 	/me pokes jeremy again ^_^ 	
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Also.. 	
[13:05]	Dresden Ceriano 	/me is good at poking bears 	
[13:05]	Dresden Ceriano 	lol 	
[13:05]	Eddi Decosta 	oh its the risk of your work jeremy :p 	
[13:06]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	We renamed the Identity and Relationships board to Lifestyles and Relationships. Its better right? 	
[13:06]	Jeremy Linden 	Maybe, but I don't squeak when I get poked. My bear does! 	
[13:06]	Dresden Ceriano 	i think so 	
[13:06]	Darrius Gothly 	Yes .. I like it. 	
[13:06]	Peewee Musytari 	yes much better 	
[13:06]	Amanda Linden 	anything else lexie? 	
[13:06]	Marianne McCann 	Definitely better 	
[13:06]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	We also cleaned up the Community feedback board so it is focused on just the Answers, Blogs and Forums 	
[13:07]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	One more quick item of interest 	
[13:07]	bob Iwashi 	sorry, major crash 	
[13:07]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	The RHN..Resident Help network http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Resident_Help_Network_Portal 	
[13:07]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	is going to become much more active in the not too distant future 	
[13:07]	Lisa Fossett 	/me likes hearing that. 	
[13:07]	DogWomble Dollinger 	*bookmarks said link* 	
[13:08]	Amanda Linden 	wot 	
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	You may want to read up on it if it is new to you ㋡ 	
[13:08]	Amanda Linden 	wooot 	
[13:08]	Peewee Musytari 	kewl 	
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Thats it for now! 	
[13:08]	Dresden Ceriano 	nice 	
[13:08]	Daniel Voyager 	awesome! 	
[13:08]	Marianne McCann 	As a RHN member, that's great 	
[13:08]	Marianne McCann 	/me grins 	
[13:08]	Amanda Linden 	ossm, thanks lexie. 	
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	㋡ 	
[13:08]	Youri Ashton 	hmm... well helping out new people, thats kinda what i do with the virtual ability thing. mostly students and people with disabilities then though 	
[13:08]	Amanda Linden 	ok, rand/jeremy--your updates... 	
[13:08]	Marianne McCann 	Was worried we were all out t'pasture 	
[13:08]	Rand (rand.linden) 	We are working with Lithium to resolve some lingering issues with HTML editing that affects community translators. 	
[13:09]	bob Iwashi 	/me lookas at jeremy, looking for the flowers? 	
[13:09]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Jeremy is hard at work updating and improvig KB articles 	
[13:09]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Also working on moving a handful of articles over from the SL wiki, and we've got an ongoing project to 	
[13:09]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	(yay for community translators!) 	
[13:09]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Yes, happy to report that the CT program is back in action! 	
[13:09]	Jeremy Linden 	Yep! Thank you for the feedback, all of you who have found issues in existing articles. 	
[13:10]	Rand (rand.linden) 	...and that is about it from me.... 	
[13:10]	Amanda Linden 	ossm. 	
[13:10]	Amanda Linden 	anything else jeremy? 	
[13:10]	Peewee Musytari 	the bouncy boobs page of KB says its still in beta andnot released yet but is only line at the top 	
[13:10]	Youri Ashton 	french, german and spanish translator teams you mean lexie, rest isnt doing much due lack of work at this time :( 	
[13:10]	Amanda Linden 	ah, good catch peewee. 	
[13:10]	Jeremy Linden 	Nope! Just keep up the good work, and don't be afraid to comment on KB articles when you think something needs to be chaned or corrected :-) 	
[13:10]	Amanda Linden 	ossm. 	
[13:11]	Amanda Linden 	one more thing on the wiki clean up.... 	
[13:11]	Amanda Linden 	since most of the folks here are in teh wiki pretty regularly. 	
[13:11]	Amanda Linden 	if you see pages that you think need updating and/or you think might not be relevant anymore--email me links and we'll have a look. 	
[13:11]	Amanda Linden 	amanda@lindenlab.com 	
[13:11]	Lisa Fossett 	oooo, great 	
[13:11]	Peewee Musytari 	kk 	
[13:11]	Amanda Linden 	whatever you can do to help us would be soooooo appreciated. 	
[13:11]	Marianne McCann 	cool... 	
[13:12]	Amanda Linden 	bless you! 	
[13:12]	bob Iwashi 	/me subscribes amanda to gardener'sa weekly 	
[13:12]	Amanda Linden 	ha bob 	
[13:12]	Lisa Fossett 	Is it safe now to update our own RHN page, or is that subject to revision? 	
[13:12]	Amanda Linden 	ossm, thanks all. 	
[13:12]	DogWomble Dollinger 	if i were going to be mean, i wouldn't stop at garderners weekly 	
[13:12]	DogWomble Dollinger 	:P 	
[13:12]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Lisa, it is ok to update as needed 	
[13:12]	DogWomble Dollinger 	luckily i wouldn't do that, at least not to amanda 	
[13:12]	Lisa Fossett 	Thanks :) 	
[13:12]	Jeremy Linden 	The wiki is a wiki; if the page is not protected, you are allowed to edit it (within the editing guidelines, of course) 	
[13:12]	Amanda Linden 	absolutely. the beauty of the wiki 	
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari 	heya raymond...ur late u get detention 	
[13:13]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Hi Raymond ㋡ 	
[13:13]	Amanda Linden 	thanks all--really appreciated. 	
[13:13]	Amanda Linden 	hey raymond. welcome. 	
[13:13]	Youri Ashton 	hey raymond 	
[13:13]	DogWomble Dollinger 	hey yraymond 	
[13:13]	Amanda Linden 	any blog/forum updates from you? 	
[13:13]	Youri Ashton 	(ugh, havig hugelag spikes here :( ) 	
[13:13]	DogWomble Dollinger 	peewee - should we send him to detention or cornfield? :P 	
[13:13]	Raymond Linden 	Haha - Hi All 	
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari 	hehe 	
[13:13]	Raymond Linden 	Sorry for being late 	
[13:13]	Darrius Gothly 	Howdy Raymond. 	
[13:13]	oobscure (opensource.obscure) 	:) 	
[13:13]	Amanda Linden 	np 	
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari 	where`s the new smileys? 	
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari 	week is up 	
[13:13]	Marianne McCann 	He needs to rez a "I'm sorry for being late" texture 100 times 	
[13:14]	Youri Ashton 	hey lisa ^_^ 	
[13:14]	Darrius Gothly 	Ahhh yes ... Smileys. 	
[13:14]	DogWomble Dollinger 	Yes! YEEESSSS!!! 	
[13:14]	DogWomble Dollinger 	hahaha marianne, problem is that's too easily scripted 	
[13:14]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Smilies are in progress 	
[13:14]	Youri Ashton 	kom erbij joh ^_^ 	
[13:14]	Raymond Linden 	Updates from me . . .well, we are hoping to push out some changes tonight. But, I cannot yet confirm they will go out this evening 	
[13:14]	bob Iwashi 	greetings 	
[13:14]	Peewee Musytari 	do they have smileys raymond? 	
[13:14]	Peewee Musytari 	hehe 	
[13:14]	Raymond Linden 	If they do not go out tonight, then next Tuesday night will be the new target date 	
[13:15]	Raymond Linden 	Peewee - yes! Well, that is the aim! 	
[13:15]	Peewee Musytari 	woots 	
[13:15]	Amanda Linden 	what changes are going out? 	
[13:15]	Raymond Linden 	Lots of little UI changes 	
[13:15]	DogWomble Dollinger 	*inserts to-be-added smileys* 	
[13:15]	Raymond Linden 	Some of the lighter font colors will be darker 	
[13:15]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	easier to read 	
[13:15]	Attica Bekkers 	right and left clear for better immersion? 	
[13:15]	Raymond Linden 	Some new smileys 	
[13:15]	Peewee Musytari 	hope there is a really confused one specially for Answers as thats not fixed yet lol 	
[13:15]	Darrius Gothly 	<-- blue gooed 	
[13:15]	Raymond Linden 	Reply button at the bottom of threads 	
[13:16]	Raymond Linden 	Removal of Answers comments 	
[13:16]	Amanda Linden 	woot! 	
[13:16]	Lisa Fossett 	yay 	
[13:16]	Peewee Musytari 	ooh tonight? 	
[13:16]	Peewee Musytari 	\o/ "YAYYYY!!!" 	
[13:16]	Peewee Musytari 	 	
[13:16]	Peewee Musytari 	_/\_ 	
[13:16]	Raymond Linden 	I was hoping I would have an answer for you by this meeting about tonight, but it is still tbd 	
[13:17]	Youri Ashton 	what was the question then raymond? 	
[13:17]	Peewee Musytari 	will be great if comments get zapped tonight...wtg :) 	
[13:17]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	: )) 	
[13:17]	DogWomble Dollinger 	42? 	
[13:17]	Raymond Linden 	Youri - whether the UI changes will be rolled out tonight or Tuesday 	
[13:17]	bob Iwashi 	/me respectfully asks if raymond has an update? 	
[13:18]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	ohh dont foret the quick links Raymond 	
[13:18]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	forget* 	
[13:18]	Raymond Linden 	Oh yes 	
[13:18]	Raymond Linden 	Did you all see the new Quick Links in the side nav? 	
[13:18]	Darrius Gothly 	Not yet. 	
[13:18]	Raymond Linden 	Are you using them? 	
[13:18]	Dresden Ceriano 	very nice 	
[13:18]	Youri Ashton 	ramond, shouldn't that wait till tuesday? I mean, the viewer just had a update. it isn't good to update yet again in such a short time. 	
[13:18]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	They should be handy to quickly get to different views 	
[13:19]	Youri Ashton 	in those few extra days you can always check for possible flaws :) 	
[13:19]	Dresden Ceriano 	soooo much better to be able to navigate the forums now 	
[13:19]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Yay! 	
[13:19]	Amanda Linden 	ossm. 	
[13:19]	Raymond Linden 	Hey Youri - the Viewer and Forums are worked on by different teams 	
[13:19]	Youri Ashton 	(sorry for missing letters and typos, lag is THAT bad for me at this time) 	
[13:20]	bob Iwashi 	(youri just use the same ecuse as me - 12 hours hift and now it's beer time) 	
[13:20]	Kennylex Luckless 	Blame lag for typos :-) 	
[13:20]	Amanda Linden 	:) 	
[13:20]	Raymond Linden 	Dresden - glad to hear you like the new Quick Links! 	
[13:20]	Amanda Linden 	ok, think that's it for Linden updates.... 	
[13:20]	Amanda Linden 	last call. 	
[13:20]	Youri Ashton 	raymond, i know. still that doesnt mean many residents will know :p 	
[13:20]	DogWomble Dollinger 	i'd blame the typo sex fiaries, but it's only a g-rated sim here 	
[13:20]	bob Iwashi 	yuck 	
[13:20]	Darrius Gothly 	That's the "Recently Created" section? 	
[13:20]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	yes 	
[13:20]	bob Iwashi 	i jsut blocked off 1/4 of a sim as it;s pg rated 	
[13:20]	Raymond Linden 	yup 	
[13:20]	bob Iwashi 	wonderful :( 	
[13:20]	Youri Ashton 	bob, i dont drink any type of alcohol ;) 	
[13:21]	Amanda Linden 	ok, think it would be good to get to the questions from you guys on the agenda before diving into the contiuation of our new resi brainstorm. 	
[13:21]	Amanda Linden 	sound like a plan? 	
[13:21]	bob Iwashi 	amanda, can i have a link to the agenda? i kinda crashed at the start 	
[13:21]	Venus Petrov 	sure 	
[13:21]	Lisa Fossett 	nods 	
[13:21]	Amanda Linden 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group 	
[13:21]	Youri Ashton 	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group 	
[13:21]	Amanda Linden 	ok 	
[13:21]	Youri Ashton 	lol 	
[13:22]	Amanda Linden 	so, posts/threads removed without notification issue. 	
[13:22]	Amanda Linden 	i've asked the mods to notify now when a thread is removed. 	
[13:22]	Venus Petrov 	well, and a related topic 	
[13:22]	Venus Petrov 	yes, a couple of the mods posted to clarify 	
[13:22]	Amanda Linden 	but, sometimes they move threads to a better topic area. 	
[13:22]	Venus Petrov 	right 	
[13:22]	Amanda Linden 	if you don't see your thread where it was and you weren't notified, then check search. 	
[13:22]	Argus Collingwood 	that leavres a trail though 	
[13:22]	bob Iwashi 	the mods ARE lindens, not scouts? 	
[13:22]	Amanda Linden 	it should pop up. 	
[13:22]	DogWomble Dollinger 	amanda, is it worth getting them to notify yo uas well, perhaps for a week or so? 	
[13:22]	Peewee Musytari 	2 mods posted some good info on that thread...Genn particularly was very helpful 	
[13:22]	DogWomble Dollinger 	that way things can be cross referenced 	
[13:22]	Darrius Gothly 	I do like the new "Moved" placemarker .. and Lexie? I like that you left a post pointing out why a thread was moved too. Well done. 	
[13:22]	Venus Petrov 	the issue was more around removal of posts where there has been no Standard violated 	
[13:23]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Yes Bob 	
[13:23]	bob Iwashi 	thanks lexie 	
[13:23]	Amanda Linden 	thanks, i've also asked for mods to step in more and add clarity.... 	
[13:23]	Amanda Linden 	glad that you guys ahve noticed. 	
[13:23]	Amanda Linden 	and that it's helpful. 	
[13:23]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	yw Darrius ! 	
[13:23]	Venus Petrov 	for example, a post is RIC'ed by four people..but does not violate any standard 	
[13:23]	Venus Petrov 	then it's removed and the poster is not told 	
[13:23]	Peewee Musytari 	genn said we can PM then to ask about specific posts if we are confused why they went, which is cool 	
[13:23]	Venus Petrov 	why remove it? 	
[13:23]	Venus Petrov 	no standard violated 	
[13:24]	Amanda Linden 	sometimes a thread is removed because it does violate a standard and it's under review. 	
[13:24]	Venus Petrov 	there are others who read the same thing and do not RIC it 	
[13:24]	Darrius Gothly 	Speaking in specifics Venus .. or hypotheticals? 	
[13:24]	Amanda Linden 	or someone put in an abuse report about it. 	
[13:24]	Venus Petrov 	that's different, if it does violate 	
[13:24]	Amanda Linden 	mods don't remove threads unless there's a good eason. 	
[13:24]	Amanda Linden 	reason 	
[13:24]	Venus Petrov 	reason v standard violation? 	
[13:24]	Amanda Linden 	asking me venus? 	
[13:25]	Venus Petrov 	laughs 	
[13:25]	Venus Petrov 	yes 	
[13:25]	Amanda Linden 	unless there's a violation.... :) 	
[13:25]	Venus Petrov 	i don't understand why something is taken away when it violates no standard 	
[13:25]	Amanda Linden 	most of the time it's moved vs. removed. 	
[13:25]	Amanda Linden 	they don't remove too much. 	
[13:25]	Peewee Musytari 	it was a comment katy made amanda...she said if the post isn`t bad but someone has reported it it gets pulled to make the reporter happy and the poster doesn`t get told off 	
[13:25]	Attica Bekkers 	canwe go back to traditional forum style which has improved through decades of stress testing? 	
[13:25]	Venus Petrov 	i don't understand why they are removed at all lol 	
[13:25]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Katy clarified that statement 	
[13:26]	Darrius Gothly 	People with strong opinions .. and those with clearly visible posting styles often get RIC'd just because of who they are and how they post. I'm sure I've gotten quite a few RICs .. but I never heard about them. So Venus? How do you know why it got pulled .. or how many RIC'd it? 	
[13:26]	Venus Petrov 	seems like the mods are making more work for themselves 	
[13:26]	Youri Ashton 	oh amanda reminds me, did gentle heron manage to discuss a meeting yet with you? 	
[13:26]	Amanda Linden 	sometimes things are moved and then put back.... 	
[13:26]	bob Iwashi 	i'd like to see us go back to hte old style that worked, rather than the ridiculous ideas that we're seeing lately 	
[13:26]	Amanda Linden 	haven't heard from gentle youri. 	
[13:26]	bob Iwashi 	go back o waqht makd sl stand out from the competition 	
[13:26]	Venus Petrov 	I do not know how many..exact number...i requested clarification 	
[13:26]	bob Iwashi 	what made sl stand out* 	
[13:26]	Venus Petrov 	it did not violate a standard 	
[13:26]	Venus Petrov 	but was whacked lol 	
[13:26]	Youri Ashton 	hmm... she said she would, i guess it slipped her mind then o_0 	
[13:27]	Amanda Linden 	np. 	
[13:27]	Peewee Musytari 	I agree lexie..genn clairified it to not sound as bad as katy had said it 	
[13:27]	Amanda Linden 	:) 	
[13:27]	Attica Bekkers 	being unabl get community help becaus eof ill functioning blogs is not good, lok at zynga they use the old fashioned forums 	
[13:27]	Darrius Gothly 	My point though is .. we don't know and often don't agree that a post we wrote IS in violation. I know I think I write perfect posts .. but even so I've gotten chewed on a few times. 	
[13:27]	bob Iwashi 	question for amanda and lexie: why don;t we seethe lindens in general appearing inworld anymore? used to be great just seeing you guys wander in at random 	
[13:27]	bob Iwashi 	hanging/chilling with the residents 	
[13:28]	Eddi Decosta 	bob, the olds styls are past, you need tome week of adaptation but all thig need to update for better use .. *well honestley i hate the jira but i have no choice ti use it* lol 	
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	i hear you darrius & others. 	
[13:28]	Youri Ashton 	bob, you scared them into hiding ;) 	
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	i'll connect with the mods on it and see if we can improve the system. :) 	
[13:28]	Eddi Decosta 	tome, = some* :) 	
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	and, lindens inworld.... 	
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	we work in SL, so we're here all the time. 	
[13:28]	Venus Petrov 	I sought clarification on a thread I authored that was pulled..awhile ago..i was told there were some RICs on it but it did not violate any standard 	
[13:28]	Eddi Decosta 	yik sorry my typos :) 	
[13:28]	Venus Petrov 	so, why pull it? 	
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	but, if we want to go into the community, we use our alts so we don't get attention. 	
[13:28]	Amanda Linden 	so, we're here all the time, but not always visible as a linden. 	
[13:28]	Attica Bekkers 	good idea 	
[13:28]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	㋡ 	
[13:29]	Darrius Gothly 	Ahh .. so Venus, you have a direct experience. Yeah .. that does need clarification. 	
[13:29]	Peewee Musytari 	ninja lindens 	
[13:29]	Amanda Linden 	well, venus--if it was pulled, then it did violate. 	
[13:29]	Venus Petrov 	i was told it did not violate 	
[13:29]	DogWomble Dollinger 	hehehe *organises a ninja-linden alt party* 	
[13:29]	Amanda Linden 	but, let me dig in a bit more qith mods and get back to you. 	
[13:29]	Kennylex Luckless 	Lindens are by nature shy. 	
[13:29]	Venus Petrov 	it was pulled because of 'sensitive people' 	
[13:29]	Darrius Gothly 	Did you save the IM Venus? 	
[13:29]	Venus Petrov 	nope 	
[13:29]	Jeremy Linden 	If you know who the ninja Lindens are, they're not ninja Lindens. 	
[13:29]	Venus Petrov 	I am just concerned about 'sensitive people' getting things pulled 	
[13:29]	Darrius Gothly 	Rats .. would help Amanda and Lexie find the exact cause and post. 	
[13:30]	Venus Petrov 	even though no standard is violated 	
[13:30]	Peewee Musytari 	lol jeremy 	
[13:30]	Youri Ashton 	amanda: think he meant why he didn't see any linden's just hang out at pulbic places anymore 	
[13:30]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Venus, was it due to a response in a thread that had mostly questionable or violating content? In some cases it would not make sense to leave a few replies behind. 	
[13:30]	Amanda Linden 	i understand venus. 	
[13:30]	Venus Petrov 	there are others not so sensitive that do not RIC 	
[13:30]	Youri Ashton 	YAY!! SIM LAG!! 	
[13:30]	Eddi Decosta 	youri sime lag? lol 	
[13:30]	Youri Ashton 	really have a bad time with sl at this moment for some reason 	
[13:30]	Venus Petrov 	I do not know what the questions might have been 	
[13:30]	Attica Bekkers 	whenwillmessage son the login screen be returned? 	
[13:30]	Attica Bekkers 	sow e can see whats happening? 	
[13:30]	Venus Petrov 	i was told no standard was violated, some RIC'ed it, it was yanked. 	
[13:30]	bob Iwashi 	no amanda, you're not - that's my point 	
[13:31]	Attica Bekkers 	withouteffort? 	
[13:31]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	hmm ok Venus 	
[13:31]	Attica Bekkers 	itwa sprmise dtheywould return when they wer epulled, and they never did 	
[13:31]	Venus Petrov 	So, I just seek clarification on working pracitice 	
[13:31]	Darrius Gothly 	How long ago did that happen Venus? 	
[13:31]	Amanda Linden 	li'll investingate. promise. :) 	
[13:31]	Youri Ashton 	im not the only one i see 	
[13:31]	Venus Petrov 	a few weeks Darrius 	
[13:31]	Marianne McCann 	Attica - the MotD? I see those regularly. Or are you referring to the old blog call outs on the login screen? 	
[13:31]	Youri Ashton 	looks like attica also has similar problems 	
[13:31]	bob Iwashi 	i reembmer so many times just blundering into you guys in the old days, now most of you are just so "corporate"£ not lindensa anymore 	
[13:31]	Peewee Musytari 	how many over sensitive people does it take to get a borderline post pulled?.....because we`d never right anything if they are pulled for everyone that gets slightly offended 	
[13:31]	Darrius Gothly 	Maybe still in the "bad old days" then? 	
[13:32]	Attica Bekkers 	logins creen old blog ones 	
[13:32]	Venus Petrov 	that's my point, Peewee, thx 	
[13:32]	bob Iwashi 	just hanging out, doing random things 	
[13:32]	bob Iwashi 	lexie, remember joppa? 	
[13:32]	Amanda Linden 	ultimately, things are pulled due to a violation vs. sensitivity. 	
[13:32]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	I do 	
[13:32]	Attica Bekkers 	the loading ones with "Secret links" get ignored 	
[13:32]	bob Iwashi 	mr crazy himself? 	
[13:32]	Marianne McCann 	Ahh... Joppa.... 	
[13:32]	Amanda Linden 	i have an exact case on this right now that i'm looking at 	
[13:32]	bob Iwashi 	teeple? 	
[13:32]	Amanda Linden 	folks are talking religion. 	
[13:32]	Jeremy Linden 	Get to the Joppa! 	
[13:32]	Attica Bekkers 	inthe old dasy my most non tech friend swouldsee torelys blogs 	
[13:32]	bob Iwashi 	the cool guys 	
[13:32]	Attica Bekkers 	anditwas great 	
[13:32]	Amanda Linden 	and some peopel are offended, but it doesn't violate. 	
[13:32]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	I hear what your saying bob. 	
[13:32]	Amanda Linden 	so it's not going to get pulled. 	
[13:32]	Youri Ashton 	i thought joppa got fired? 	
[13:32]	bob Iwashi 	imho - ther wrong lindens got canned 	
[13:32]	Attica Bekkers 	sucha good way of messaging entire c ommunity 	
[13:32]	Amanda Linden 	good point attica. 	
[13:33]	Marianne McCann 	Youri - December 31 2009 	
[13:33]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Attica the whole blog presentation needs some serious care and attention 	
[13:33]	Venus Petrov 	good example, Amanda 	
[13:33]	Attica Bekkers 	itwa spromise dreturn 	
[13:33]	bob Iwashi 	teh good ones who are left are too damn scared to be seen as the old style 	
[13:33]	Peewee Musytari 	i think katy said something like...the post may not be bad but if a few people complain it is deemed as "disruptive" 	
[13:33]	Attica Bekkers 	if for nothing else,thenperhaps for great new tutorials 	
[13:33]	bob Iwashi 	/me bids you all goodnuight befioer i get on em soapbox 	
[13:33]	Attica Bekkers 	thisi sthe static loginscreen 	
[13:33]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	night bob ㋡ 	
[13:33]	Attica Bekkers 	before yu hit enter and come in 	
[13:33]	Venus Petrov 	Remove it for standard violation, not feelings hurt 	
[13:33]	Dresden Ceriano 	i've have posts pull within the pulling of a number of posts where the discussion had gotten heated and off topic... which to me made sense even though I didn't post anything in direct violation 	
[13:33]	Venus Petrov 	or sensitivity 	
[13:34]	Attica Bekkers 	it use dot have blogfeeds, everyoen in sl knew whatwa sup 	
[13:34]	bob Iwashi 	proverbially speaking lexie ;) 	
[13:34]	bob Iwashi 	gettign a coffee 	
[13:34]	Attica Bekkers 	yucant even imagine it now, i know, butit was good community feel 	
[13:34]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Indeed Attica that was a useful feature 	
[13:34]	DogWomble Dollinger 	can you get me one too bob? 	
[13:34]	Marianne McCann 	Attica - Me, I wish there was a better method for serving that content inworld 	
[13:34]	Attica Bekkers 	itwas faithfully promised it would be returned 	
[13:34]	Attica Bekkers 	and the day, and year 	
[13:34]	Attica Bekkers 	came and went 	
[13:34]	Attica Bekkers 	please reconsider? 	
[13:34]	Amanda Linden 	but, if the discussion goes into something offensive--like anti semitic, etc. then it gets pulled...anyway...the convo has moved on. :) 	
[13:34]	Attica Bekkers 	ifyudont wanto feed bad stuff, only do tutes and birthdays s 	
[13:35]	Venus Petrov 	that would be a violation, no? 	
[13:35]	Venus Petrov 	and would be pulled anyway. 	
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	yes 	
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	so,, question. 	
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	how do we want to use the rest of our time? 	
[13:35]	Marianne McCann 	/me still has to poke Oz over VWR-2008 	
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	dig deeper into new resi discussion or.... 	
[13:35]	Dresden Ceriano 	strippers? 	
[13:35]	DogWomble Dollinger 	/me votres new resi discussion 	
[13:35]	Amanda Linden 	i'm starting to work on some brand stuff/messaging. 	
[13:35]	Attica Bekkers 	marianneif itson the login screen before the passwrod is entered even, everyone sees it, its works perfectly 	
[13:35]	Marianne McCann 	NUE! 	
[13:35]	Darrius Gothly 	Amanda .. do the Mods assign any sort of Tracking Number or Case Number when they pull a thread or a post? Maybe that would help tracking in the future? 	
[13:35]	Jeremy Linden 	Dresden, that'll be pretty sorry in a G region. 	
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	would be fun to hear what you guys love about secon dlife--what separates it from the rest o the vw pack. 	
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	or, we could talk about sometjing else... 	
[13:36]	DogWomble Dollinger 	jeremy i do have a PG-rated sex bed :P 	
[13:36]	Dresden Ceriano 	me too 	
[13:36]	Peewee Musytari 	did we do the proposal for suport feedback forum? 	
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	oh, sorry. 	
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	forgott hat one. 	
[13:36]	Marianne McCann 	There's always the #SLBumpersticker discussion on Twitter 	
[13:36]	Marianne McCann 	/me grins 	
[13:36]	Venus Petrov 	not yet Peewee 	
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	no support feedback forum. 	
[13:36]	Amanda Linden 	we just hired a new director of support. 	
[13:36]	Peewee Musytari 	lol well that was short n sweet 	
[13:36]	Peewee Musytari 	ty 	
[13:36]	oobscure (opensource.obscure) 	oh 	
[13:36]	Marianne McCann 	I missed a lot of the New Resi discussion last week, so I'm keen on that 	
[13:37]	oobscure (opensource.obscure) 	who's his/her name amanda? 	
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	but, i'll bring it up to him/her when they start. 	
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	don't know yet. just heard we hired someone. 	
[13:37]	bob Iwashi 	you did maanda? 	
[13:37]	Peewee Musytari 	there are some great threads on the subject all in off topic 	
[13:37]	Peewee Musytari 	they might like to see them 	
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	ok, think i hear new resi discussion.... 	
[13:37]	Peewee Musytari 	iin one place 	
[13:37]	bob Iwashi 	does that mean you will finally get shot of the scouts? and give us back the support we pay for? 	
[13:37]	bob Iwashi 	ll in general* 	
[13:37]	Youri Ashton 	just take him in this OH amanda, he may want to experience it as well 	
[13:37]	Amanda Linden 	can't comment on that bob. :) 	
[13:38]	Dresden Ceriano 	oh if only 	
[13:38]	bob Iwashi 	why niot? 	
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	not my realm. 	
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	ok, new resis 	
[13:38]	bob Iwashi 	can we have a full answer please? or ask the relevany guy/lass to answer us? 	
[13:38]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Peewee I will look in the Off Topic forums as you suggested 	
[13:38]	Attica Bekkers 	support neds to be real 	
[13:38]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	I know there is some good stuff in there! 	
[13:38]	Darrius Gothly 	TY Lexie 	
[13:38]	bob Iwashi 	raymond - can you give us an update please? ref my notecard? 	
[13:38]	Amanda Linden 	absolutely. glad we brought off topic back. 	
[13:38]	Peewee Musytari 	some is positive...like how fast tickets are done now, its not all complaints :) 	
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	sorry guys, we can't discuss support in this meeting... 	
[13:39]	Gib Denver 	unless ur tkt is about land, then u still wait up to 12 wks :) 	
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	well, we can..but we can't really engage in taht discussion. 	
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	i vote new resi's 	
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	going 	
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	going 	
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	ok 	
[13:39]	Marianne McCann 	New Residents! 	
[13:39]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	new residents! 	
[13:39]	Marianne McCann 	Woo! 	
[13:39]	bob Iwashi 	/me smacks head on hand "please, will somebdoy, linden employere, just give us an upadte on the contunally asked question? please?" 	
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	ok, picking up from last time. 	
[13:39]	DogWomble Dollinger 	/me seconds amanda's vote 	
[13:39]	Amanda Linden 	where do we wnat to start... 	
[13:39]	Marianne McCann 	Jinx! You owe me! 	
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	dog, you want to start us off? 	
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	you've been doing some thinking here this week. 	
[13:40]	Dresden Ceriano 	do you have an overview of the idea presented last week? 	
[13:40]	Dresden Ceriano 	ideas* 	
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	i haven't put it together yet--my bad. 	
[13:40]	Dresden Ceriano 	rats 	
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	bu tthe transcript is here. starts midway 	
[13:40]	DogWomble Dollinger 	ok, from the point fo view of new residents, what information and/or resources would you think would be most important or useful? 	
[13:40]	Amanda Linden 	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group/21-April-2011 	
[13:41]	Marianne McCann 	Well, there's the obvious orientation (how to walk, sit, chat) 	
[13:41]	DogWomble Dollinger 	as in, what resources would have been useful when you started thaat might have helped you get into it more quickly? 	
[13:41]	Amanda Linden 	how do you think orientation island is working..... 	
[13:41]	Amanda Linden 	(adding question to dogs) 	
[13:41]	Marianne McCann 	At the hubs, there's always the big three, but thoe are hard to quantify (How do i make money, how do I "do it," and I'm nored, what si there to do) 	
[13:41]	Amanda Linden 	:) 	
[13:42]	Attica Bekkers 	newbie helpintheir language,specially with hoew to sit, buy things, fly and change clothes 	
[13:42]	badwitch 	hello 	
[13:42]	Lisa Fossett 	Is that a Q for us or a Q to go on the list? 	
[13:42]	Amanda Linden 	to chat about now... 	
[13:42]	DogWomble Dollinger 	that's a general question for everyone lisa 	
[13:42]	Youri Ashton 	amanda, orientation island is a lot less stress now. butnot god in general either, made a new avi last week 	
[13:42]	Marianne McCann 	the current orientation, I think, is good. The inital island, that is 	
[13:42]	Youri Ashton 	sorry for typos again <.< 	
[13:42]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler)	For ne residents? How to get support, and how to get Viewer One 	
[13:42]	Lisa Fossett 	Personally, I think the WI (the private ones where everyone lands) are incomplete 	
[13:43]	Attica Bekkers 	yes they need viewer one fast, o r they willneve rstay online long 	
[13:43]	Marianne McCann 	But I think past the initial orientation, it quickly falls apart 	
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	yeah, agree mari 	
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	dog asked a good q earlier.... 	
[13:43]	Lisa Fossett 	And, when they get to the end, with their choices, those who don't already know what SL is and what they want are lost 	
[13:43]	Amanda Linden 	(thanks for your take on WI) 	
[13:43]	Ashiri Sands 	Explaining the difference between Basic and Advanced modes, and how to switch. 	
[13:43]	Youri Ashton 	the orientation island covers only the basics, nothing more besides that there at this time. it might be usefull for some people to have a place that is adding extra information for those that want that 	
[13:44]	Lisa Fossett 	Though doing the Destination guide is a bit better than what was there a month or so ago 	
[13:44]	Knowl Paine 	Use of Land would help New Residents, free temporary land where new Residents could build, edit terrain ect. for a limited time. 	
[13:44]	Dresden Ceriano 	my experince was there wasn't must content where I landed last time I started a new account... seems like they want to get you out of there as quickly as possible 	
[13:44]	Marianne McCann 	Lisa - which is difficult, as many don't know what they want by then - and there is little there to help them make such a decision 	
[13:44]	Lisa Fossett 	yes 	
[13:44]	DogWomble Dollinger 	well, what sort of information do you think would be useful in that regard? 	
[13:44]	Jeremy Linden 	Knowl, do you mean something like a practice area? A sandbox specifically for learning SL? 	
[13:45]	Lisa Fossett 	I'm not sure where the info should be...it's a combo of info and PR/marketing...I think resis would benefit from learning what's available in SL 	
[13:45]	Knowl Paine 	yes 	
[13:45]	Dresden Ceriano 	didn't there used to be something like that? 	
[13:45]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler)	A lot of new users don't know how to get the high score. 	
[13:45]	Knowl Paine 	they New Resident would go through a mock purchase process 	
[13:45]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	You should send them some emails 	
[13:45]	Lisa Fossett 	Something more than the "Be a vampire, etc." glossy promo 	
[13:45]	Knowl Paine 	to better understand how to buy land 	
[13:45]	Peewee Musytari 	I think combining learning with keeping new residents busy with something to do and meeting people all combined in one place that is fun, would be a good way to learn....I suggested something similar to the way Octoberville is done would be cool...can`t recall where I suggested that, I think I PM`d amanda lol	
[13:45]	Marianne McCann 	Dog - I think it comes to the age-old question. "What is SL." And well, it is everything. So... I dunno. Focusing on what one can do here in very simple forms? Then again, that brings us back to the "actio words" main page of two years ago 	
[13:46]	Attica Bekkers 	i dohave anidea to help new people and old 	
[13:46]	Attica Bekkers 	could we please have auto follow in browsers with option for friends only, anyone, discontinue the follow etc? to help us shop and explore and walk and talk. Scripted solutions dont work in no rez/script places and are not too effective 	
[13:46]	Attica Bekkers 	itwoudlbe ooh helpfulwith ne wpeople some of whom can onlytp from to place 	
[13:46]	Attica Bekkers 	they ddint figur eout how to walk yet 	
[13:46]	Marianne McCann 	If I'm a noob (as I once was), I want to know what it is I can do here. What are the possibilities of the world. 	
[13:46]	Attica Bekkers 	whichis ok unles sthey only speak portouguese :) this happened recently 	
[13:47]	Knowl Paine 	A better Inworld map my frame rate drops almost 30 frames per second 	
[13:47]	Knowl Paine 	just a map, drop all the events and other map attachments 	
[13:47]	Youri Ashton 	we all are noob in some form, you always are 'new' to something 	
[13:47]	Marianne McCann 	"I now know how to walk and sit and fly.... what do I use this knowedge for? Where is there to walk to?" 	
[13:47]	Attica Bekkers 	itell people it is chat systemw ith islands not rooms,a nd we really pull up chairs, and that is liek the sims we can d ecorate home and ourselves, tht works 	
[13:48]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	New basic mode gives some hints on where to fly to with the detinations 	
[13:48]	Peewee Musytari 	lots of people say the destination guide in basic is blank...not sure what thats about 	
[13:48]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Marianne, what I hear you saying is that the "why" is just as important as the "How To". Correct? 	
[13:49]	Knowl Paine 	A Jobs program run in partnership with the gateway locations 	
[13:49]	Darrius Gothly 	What about a mini-Hunt ... 5-10 "goals" that new users walk to and get Notecards or Gifts that help them learn. 	
[13:49]	Marianne McCann 	Right, Lexie. IMO, it's pretty key 	
[13:49]	DogWomble Dollinger 	peewee that is strange, i checked that out myself only last night and it seemed to work fine 	
[13:49]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	agreed 	
[13:49]	Youri Ashton 	time for me to go, thanks lindens and bye bye all 	
[13:49]	Knowl Paine 	small Jobs to help new Residents learn how to make money 	
[13:49]	DogWomble Dollinger 	might be interestign to try and find out a little more info on that 	
[13:49]	Ashiri Sands 	blank destination guide... would that be the webkit plugin again? 	
[13:49]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Indeed Darrius, take them to Linden Village 	
[13:49]	Dresden Ceriano 	i haven't used the basic mode viewer but it seems it would make more sense to build into it a way to unlock features as certain exercises are learned performed 	
[13:49]	Marianne McCann 	It also helps answer the "what do I do here" and "I'm boreddddddd" comments at infohubs of today 	
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	fyi--we have a newcomer area in teh destination guide... 	
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	http://secondlife.com/destinations/communities 	
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	probably needs work tho. 	
[13:50]	Marianne McCann 	Dresden - I like that 	
[13:50]	bob Iwashi 	manda - stick that in boardroom infohub 	
[13:50]	Lisa Fossett 	last I looked it did, Amanda 	
[13:50]	Dresden Ceriano 	like a tutorial mode 	
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	intresting. 	
[13:50]	DogWomble Dollinger 	that's a good point actually 	
[13:50]	Amanda Linden 	basic viewer is very tutorial like. 	
[13:50]	DogWomble Dollinger 	turn basic mode into tutorial mode 	
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	trying to bake the tutorial stuff right into the experience 	
[13:51]	Marianne McCann 	I sense "gamification" to it, too. "Achieve unlocked: Flight" 	
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	the viewer experience. 	
[13:51]	Ashiri Sands 	Being able to unlock features from Basc to Advanced would be very useful 	
[13:51]	Dresden Ceriano 	but do things like inventory and voice get unlocked? 	
[13:51]	Darrius Gothly 	Seconds Dog's idea ... Basic should be Demo/Tutorial Mode 	
[13:51]	DogWomble Dollinger 	even call it 'tutorial mode', so people know it's not designed to be a perfect environment for anything but learning 	
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	we're working on improvements to basic mode. 	
[13:51]	Knowl Paine 	A radical change could be Joining SL with a task specific viewer, some Residents join knowing what they want to do 	
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	can't give specifics yet...but keep this convo going. 	
[13:51]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	They should Dresden, worst thing about the modes is having to close down the viewer 	
[13:51]	Amanda Linden 	yeah, true true lord 	
[13:51]	Lisa Fossett 	Or call it "intro mode" 	
[13:52]	Marianne McCann 	Ya, that's a sharp idea 	
[13:52]	Darrius Gothly 	I LURVE that idea of changing the name from "Basic Mode" to "Tutorial" or "Intro Mode" 	
[13:52]	Amanda Linden 	interesting idea.... 	
[13:52]	Dresden Ceriano 	i do too 	
[13:52]	Amanda Linden 	i'll def pass that along 	
[13:52]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Intro mode is a good idea 	
[13:52]	Knowl Paine 	agreed, sounds better 	
[13:52]	Darrius Gothly 	Okay .. we voted that one in. You Lindens don't get a vote. LOL 	
[13:52]	Lisa Fossett 	(tutorial having a negative reaction by some, I think) 	
[13:52]	Attica Bekkers 	that mode seems tobecausing trouble with students coming to sl for class 	
[13:52]	DogWomble Dollinger 	*giggles* darius 	
[13:53]	Peewee Musytari 	so long as you didn`t have to pass certain tasks to move on..like you mentioned voice, some people may not be able to use voice so you wouldn`t want them stuck at that part of the tutorial 	
[13:53]	Attica Bekkers 	theyare told to do stuf fby old people and cant, like buy things for zero 	
[13:53]	Ashiri Sands 	Basic mode is certainly keeping Helpers busy 	
[13:53]	Lisa Fossett 	nods 	
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	what's the main thing that they are helping with? 	
[13:53]	Dresden Ceriano 	true peewee 	
[13:53]	Lisa Fossett 	Telling them how to go to advanced. 	
[13:53]	Lisa Fossett 	laughs 	
[13:53]	Amanda Linden 	lol 	
[13:53]	Darrius Gothly 	"Log out, Log back in, Select Advance Mode" 	
[13:53]	Ashiri Sands 	how to do things like buy freebies 	
[13:54]	Ashiri Sands 	or change appearance 	
[13:54]	Peewee Musytari 	they don`t like not having an inventory 	
[13:54]	Marianne McCann 	Ya. That is what I'm hearing too. A lot of telling noobs "relog in advanced" 	
[13:54]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Not quite Darrius, close down, start viewer, change mode, close viewer, start viewer 	
[13:54]	Attica Bekkers 	yes as a randomsandbox user everyoneleatelyis there for class and wants to buyfreebies and cant 	
[13:54]	Lisa Fossett 	Well, when they want to change their appearance or you want to give them LM or NC, you're stuck 	
[13:54]	Attica Bekkers 	andthey get mad 	
[13:55]	Peewee Musytari 	yeah first thing I did in sl was change appearance and they can`t do that 	
[13:55]	DogWomble Dollinger 	i'll admit i'm glad i haven't had to deal with someone in basic mode yet 	
[13:55]	Argus Collingwood 	moore frustrated than mad 	
[13:55]	Dresden Ceriano 	there really should be level they work through themselves to get it advanced mode 	
[13:55]	Knowl Paine 	the results of a New Residents system requirements the capaacity of that Residents PC should effect that Residents starting location 	
[13:55]	Dresden Ceriano 	levels* 	
[13:55]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Basic mode has some pretty damn nifty features with destinations and avatars 	
[13:55]	Marianne McCann 	Ya, Ciaran - a lot of it I like 	
[13:55]	Lisa Fossett 	nods, Ciaran 	
[13:55]	DogWomble Dollinger 	yeah, i like what they've done with the destination guide - it' 	
[13:55]	Marianne McCann 	It's the right idea. 	
[13:55]	Amanda Linden 	yeah, i love that too. 	
[13:55]	Knowl Paine 	Residents with lower performance could start in a Region with less content 	
[13:55]	DogWomble Dollinger 	it's actually something i like about basic mode 	
[13:56]	Amanda Linden 	that solves the question of what is there to do.... 	
[13:56]	Amanda Linden 	we have a lot more planned for basic mode and destinations...etc. 	
[13:56]	Lisa Fossett 	As I recall, Basic doesn't allow editing preferences, either, right? 	
[13:56]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	That destination bar would be useful for plenty of folk 	
[13:56]	Amanda Linden 	right, no top nav 	
[13:56]	DogWomble Dollinger 	lisa there's no menus 	
[13:56]	Argus Collingwood 	get then involved in events like the BunnyJam and they tick around 	
[13:56]	Peewee Musytari 	there is no Me menu 	
[13:56]	stefen2 Stipe 	hello there 	
[13:56]	Darrius Gothly 	Low capability PCs .. start in Prim Build only regions. Nothing with complex Sculpties or Megas. 	
[13:56]	Argus Collingwood 	stick* 	
[13:56]	Amanda Linden 	super great session. 	
[13:56]	Lisa Fossett 	So, someone having graphics/lag/that sort of issue, you can't explain or fix for them 	
[13:56]	Amanda Linden 	throw in your last ideas.... 	
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	ok, almost at the end of our time. 	
[13:57]	Knowl Paine 	Did the winner of the Egg contest get announced? 	
[13:57]	oobscure (opensource.obscure) 	i remember as a new user i collected lots of notecards. but then i never read most of them! i wonder if ..part of the 'content' we give to new users should move away from notecards. *underlines 'part of'* 	
[13:57]	stefen2 Stipe 	ops this is a conf ? 	
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	yep knowl. 	
[13:57]	Peewee Musytari 	who won? 	
[13:57]	Attica Bekkers 	my very brief destination guide personwas floods of people who could not sit and didnt speak french spanish or english 	
[13:57]	Knowl Paine 	I saw the 12 finalist 	
[13:57]	Jeremy Linden 	stefen2, welcome! 	
[13:57]	Marianne McCann 	This doesn't yet answet he rull story of "where to go after orientation, or getting stuck in the hubs which is its own kettle of fish.... 	
[13:57]	Marianne McCann 	full* 	
[13:57]	Nemesis Ezarael 	hell everybody 	
[13:57]	DogWomble Dollinger 	oobscure - i'd love to second that, but at the moment i can't think of anything that i could move stuff to 	
[13:57]	Nemesis Ezarael 	Hölle jedermann 	
[13:57]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	oobscure well basic mode is no use for notecards really, so it does need a different approach 	
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	egg winner 	
[13:57]	Knowl Paine 	where did the winner get announced? 	
[13:57]	Amanda Linden 	http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Inworld/Hop-Over-to-the-Bunny-Jam-Music-Event/ba-p/832441 	
[13:57]	Jeremy Linden 	You've stumbled into the Community Tools user group. It's open, so feel free to stay. 	
[13:57]	Knowl Paine 	ty 	
[13:57]	stefen2 Stipe 	thanks jeremy 	
[13:57]	Argus Collingwood 	the tissue egg with yellow top 	
[13:58]	Knowl Paine 	thank you 	
[13:58]	stefen2 Stipe 	this conf is about ? 	
[13:58]	Amanda Linden 	oh, we're just wrapping up. 	
[13:58]	Attica Bekkers 	please reconside rlogin screen messages? so the whole population knows, and linden eevnts stop being secrets fo rthe elite? 	
[13:58]	Amanda Linden 	communiity tools user group 	
[13:58]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Lots of great input here today 	
[13:58]	Darrius Gothly 	This conf is about ... done. 	
[13:58]	Argus Collingwood 	I see the MoTD 	
[13:58]	Amanda Linden 	good idea re: login screen. :) 	
[13:58]	Knowl Paine 	yes 	
[13:58]	Jeremy Linden 	We're discussing "community tools", such as the blogs, forums, knowledge base, and new Resident engagement. We're here every week from 1pm to 2pm PST 	
[13:58]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	Argus Attica is talking about back when the latest blog posts were on the login screen 	
[13:59]	Argus Collingwood 	oooo 	
[13:59]	Knowl Paine 	many of my friends did not know there was an Egg contest 	
[13:59]	Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler)	Stefen2, if you don't know what this meeting is about, it's for you. Essentially, New User Documentation 	
[13:59]	stefen2 Stipe 	oh ok :) 	
[13:59]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	They used to have links to the last three or four 	
[13:59]	Attica Bekkers 	itgto discontinued cos the ba dposts about breakdowns etc were seen by all too 	
[13:59]	Darrius Gothly 	I do have one request ... this meeting area causes a LOT of viewer lag. Any change it can get visually / render cleaned up some? 	
[13:59]	Amanda Linden 	well, thanks all..... 	
[13:59]	Amanda Linden 	incredible ideas. thanks so much for joining and partiicpating. 	
[13:59]	Attica Bekkers 	butheycan easy filte rit, tutes, events, good news 	
[13:59]	Amanda Linden 	so many good nuggets. 	
[13:59]	Amanda Linden 	i'm going to summarize our ideas re: new users. 	
[13:59]	Knowl Paine 	or meet at Linden Memorial park 	
[13:59]	Lisa Fossett 	Try turning down your draw distnace, Darrius 	
[13:59]	Knowl Paine 	in an empty field 	
[13:59]	Darrius Gothly 	<-- 32m 	
[14:00]	Knowl Paine 	I'm fine performance is good 	
[14:00]	Lisa Fossett 	sigh 	
[14:00]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	and get a radio stream 	
[14:00]	Knowl Paine 	4 me 	
[14:00]	Amanda Linden 	i'm cooking up a marketing program for new users--so this has been invaluable. 	
[14:00]	oobscure (opensource.obscure) 	aren't avatars the most heaviest on rendering here? 	
[14:00]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Thanks for the great meeting 	
[14:00]	Lisa Fossett 	Though with so many avs, it's going to lag for you... 	
[14:00]	Argus Collingwood 	♥ Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!! ♥ 	
[14:00]	oobscure (opensource.obscure) 	thank you - and take care everybody 	
[14:00]	Attica Bekkers 	afte rpeole press to login, theyhave their destination in mind, theyarent interested in teh news anymore so much 	
[14:00]	Ashiri Sands 	Furries are bad for viewer lag =^_~= 	
[14:00]	Attica Bekkers 	if theyget time to read it 	
[14:00]	Lisa Fossett 	(figured you knew that already) 	
[14:00]	Marianne McCann 	Market on what we can achieve, do, and see. This place is, after all, amazing 	
[14:00]	Marianne McCann 	/me grins 	
[14:00]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval) 	cheers guys 	
[14:00]	Attica Bekkers 	thanks all 	
[14:00]	Kennylex Luckless 	*no* 	
[14:00]	Lisa Fossett 	Agree, MM 	
[14:00]	Rand (rand.linden) 	Thanks! Bye... 	
[14:00]	Lexie (lexie.linden) 	Bye for now! 	
[14:00]	Amanda Linden 	any suggestions for topics next week??? 	
[14:00]	Marianne McCann 	Bye Bye!! 	
[14:00]	Amanda Linden 	lemme know. 	
[14:00]	Knowl Paine 	Bye 	
[14:00]	Argus Collingwood 	"Goodbye!!" 	
[14:01]	Peewee Musytari 	thanks all :) 	
[14:01]	Qie (qie.niangao) 	thanks all... have fun! 	
[14:01]	stefen2 Stipe 	bye bye 	
[14:01]	Torben (torben.trautman) 	bye all 	
[14:01]	Darrius Gothly 	Start the Agenda Amanda .. we'll post them there as we think of them. 	
[14:01]	Attica Bekkers 	decorate dress chat fly lol 	
[14:01]	Lisa Fossett 	I'm going to email you with a couple, would rather pass them to you first :) 	
[14:01]	Nemesis Ezarael 	Bye bye 	
[14:01]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	oh bugger - not the "silly hats contest" here then>? 	
[14:01]	Kennylex Luckless 	see ya. 	
[14:01]	Eddi Decosta 	well see you later :) 	
[14:01]	Marianne McCann 	"silly Hats Only" 	
[14:01]	Marianne McCann 	stop 	
[14:01]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	randy linden me auld mucker! how the devil are ya? 	
[14:01]	Amanda Linden 	great--thanks darrius/lisa 	
[14:01]	Eddi Decosta 	hugs, Amanda ** :) 	
[14:01]	Jeremy Linden 	I gotta get my silly hat, then! 	
[14:02]	Second Life 	Items successfully shared. 	
[14:02]	Lisa Fossett 	why am I seeing so many people half ruthed today? 	
[14:02]	Eddi Decosta 	/me poke Jeremy again 	
[14:02]	Marianne McCann 	Bye Bye!! 	
[14:02]	Eddi Decosta 	risk of work! lol :p 	
[14:02]	Jeremy Linden 	Get to the Joppa! 	
[14:02]	Kennylex Luckless 	Who want silly hat? 	
[14:02]	Attica Bekkers 	they ddi something bad to the graphics a week andhalf back 	
[14:02]	Attica Bekkers 	maybejust bit before 	
[14:02]	Attica Bekkers 	ona tuesday rollout 	
[14:02]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	hey, joppa ruled 	
[14:02]	Attica Bekkers 	i dunno what 	
[14:02]	stefen2 Stipe 	do you do sculpties jeremy ? 	
[14:02]	Jeremy Linden 	Yeah he did. I made that gesture for him :-) 	
[14:02]	Amanda Linden 	bye all--gonna scoot and have l unch (finally) 	
[14:02]	Adamburp Adamczyk 	toel me one time jeremy went to work as a tranny 	
[14:02]	Amanda Linden 	ttyl 	
[14:02]	Peewee Musytari 	good meeting...ciao till nest week :) 	
[14:03]	Amanda Linden 	and remember--wiki updates/etc. to me in email. :) 	
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