General IRC meeting, 13 March 2013

=== Place ===
The #koha IRC channel (IRC server irc.oftc.net).
=== Time ===
13 March 2013 at 18:00 UTC
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=== Agenda ===
* Introductions (please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes) 
* Announcements
* Update on 3.8
* Update on 3.10
* Update on 3.12
* Kohacon2013
* KohaCon2014
** When should we start thinking about it? 
* Roles for 3.14
* Crowdfunding for big, boring improvements? See notes further down.
* Actions from General IRC meeting, 7 February 2013
* Set time of next meeting
=== Minutes ===
* Introductions (cait, 17:59:43)
** wahanui, a bot that has become sentient (wahanui, 17:59:44)
** Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba (tcohen, 17:59:50)
** Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries (oleonard, 17:59:54)
** Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM for 3.12 (jcamins, 17:59:57)
** Galen Charlton, Equinox Software (gmcharlt, 17:59:57)
** Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City (thd, 17:59:57)
** Mirko Tietgen, Berlin (drojf, 17:59:58)
** D Ruth Bavousett, TM 3.12, speaking for m'self. (druthb, 18:00:03)
** Elliott Davis, Houston Tx, QAA 3.12 (libsysguy, 18:00:04)
** Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany (cait, 18:00:05)
** Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS (jwagner, 18:00:07)
** Jesse Maseto, ByWater Solutions (JesseM, 18:00:10)
** David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand (davidnind, 18:00:11)
** Nancy Keener, Washoe County, Reno Nevada (nancyk, 18:00:18)
** Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, New Zealand (cjh, 18:00:26)
** Margo Duncan, University of Texas at Tyler (margo, 18:00:35)
** Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd (ColinC, 18:00:36)
** Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina (bgkriegel, 18:00:37)
** Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions (bag, 18:00:38)
** MJ Ray, software.coop, England (slef, 18:01:11)
** melia meggs, bywater solutions (late, sorry) (melia, 18:04:59)
** Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions (khall, 18:05:00)
** Ed Veal, ByWater Solutions (edveal, 18:05:21)
** JD/Joanne Dillon, Te Takere (JDatTeTakere, 18:05:25)
** Olugbenga Adara, Projektlink Konsult (gbengaadara, 18:05:36)
** Dobrica Pavlinušić, FFZG Zagreb, Croatia (sorry, late) (dpavlin_,18:21:09)
* Announcements (cait, 18:01:05)
* Update on 3.8 (cait, 18:04:55)
* Update on 3.12 (cait, 18:05:55)
** 2 blockers, 23 critical, 84 major, 280 normal, 82 minor, 17 trivial,496 enhancements, 11 new features (slef, 18:10:02)
** Feature slush is March 15, freeze starts March 22 (slef, 18:10:15)
** Any feature or enhancement that has not been pushed by March 22 *IS NOT GOING INTO KOHA 3.12* (slef, 18:10:36)
** If you are in doubt about whether or not an enhancement/feature is eligible for 3.12, it isn't. (jcamins, 18:12:25)
* KohaCon2013 (cait, 18:14:28)
** We have 18 people registered so far, 6 programs proposed, we need more. (nancyk, 18:14:33)
** I will send out an email calling for papers, and asking for subjects we would like to see covered. This email will also include links to register, volunteer to do a program, and other stuff. (nancyk,18:15:05)
** LINK: http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13/ (jcamins,18:15:24)
** We have a meeting next week on Tues 19th 19 UTC, I’ll send out a reminder. (nancyk, 18:16:21)
** I would like to set up some panel discussions … what would be good? (nancyk, 18:17:02)
* KohaCon14 (cait, 18:20:58)
* Roles for 3.14 (cait, 18:25:25)
* Crowdfunding for big boring improvements (see agenda) (cait,18:34:43)
* Actions from last meeting (cait, 18:43:04)
** LINK: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_meeting__2012_02_06.2013-02-07-02.05.html (oleonard, 18:43:33)
** ACTION: please consider being a bug wrangler! (cait, 18:44:59)
** ACTION: Folks interested in 3.14 roles, particularly QA and bug wranglers, should submit proposals and update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14 (gmcharlt,18:45:15)
** AGREED: next meeting: April 3rd, 10UTC (cait, 18:47:37)
Meeting ended at 18:47:59 UTC.
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==Crowdfunding for big, boring improvements?==
There seems to be general agreement that by now, Koha could do with some big, boring improvements:
 * Getting fully ready for persistance, to be able to run under Plack or something similar.
 * Move to more object oriented code and perhaps an ORM, like DBIx::Class.
 * Extend unit tests coverage.
There is also agreement that no library wilb probably ever be crazy enough to fund something like this. 
But could there be another way, through crowdfunding? "We need to do some boring fixing, if you or your library could contribute $10/$100/$1000 it would really help" sort of thing. 
Is this something worth seriously considering? Would anyone be willing to take on the task of outlining the scope of such a project, quantifying what is needed, receive the money and do the work (or subcontract it out to others)? 
This meeting should probably not say yes/no to the idea, but maybe yes/no to considering it further? --Magnus 14:05, 6 March 2013 (EST)
+1000 for this idea. I already have started something in France, and need help to go further. I also suggest to add this topic to KohaCon13 --Paul Poulain 03:23, 7 March 2013 (EST)
(Paul, continuing) what I've started in France is a document (in french) explaining to libraries what should be done. It contains exactly what you've written. I've sent this document to Kohala NPO. Until now, it had no effect, (and I haven't tried to go further). But I'm convinced the internal work that should be done now to have a Koha ready for the next 10 years will never be done without proper funding. And no single library will ever fund it too.
I'll add that my feeling is that we're speaking of x00 000USR here (with x>1 !) if we want to do all what could/shoud be done.
Update 2013-03-14: Crowdfunding
==Apologies==
* User:Magnus - will probably be otherwise engaged for most of the meeting
* Mason - will be in transit, and wont be able to attend the metting
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