Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2012-02-09

Category:Beta Server Office Hours - Minutes
This meeting was held on February 09th, 2011
== Agenda ==
=== Updates ===
* Second Life Server Channel
** No Main Channel promotion this week because of - "Color change not applied correctly on cylinder when number of faces is change by altering prim properties."
* BlueSteel RC Channel
* This is the same code with a fix for - "Color change not applied correctly on cylinder when number of faces is change by altering prim properties."
* Improved performance for the following functions in LSL scripts compiled to Mono:
** llList2List
** llDeleteSubList
** llGetListEntryType
** llListInsertList
** llListFindList
** llListReplaceList
** llDeleteSubString
** llStringLength
** llInsertString
** llSubStringIndex
* Bug Fixes
** Entire sim (65,536sq.m.) owned by group, llGetParcelMaxPrims(llGetPos(), TRUE) Returning odd number.
** moving_end() event executes on moving, script-rezzed physical objects
** Telehubs overridden if teleporting a friend/avatar to a region where telehub exists outside of the telehub area
** Fixed 1 simulator crash related to the physics engine
* Made improvements in code for starting and stopping regions
* Internal code improvements with better memory management and more efficient object updates
* Fixed data in CoarseLocationUpdate messages for avatars above 1020m. These are now sent with a value of 255, which was previously sent as 0 in error. This fixes numerous mini-map issues with avatar relative altitude indicators.
* Fixed a script crasher in llList2List.
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/12#12.02.06.248938
* LeTigre RC Channel
* This code is identical to the code on BlueSteel
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/12#12.02.06.248938
* Magnum RC Channel
* This code is identical to the code on BlueSteel
** https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/12#12.02.06.248938
=== Upcoming Stuff ===
* RC will get promoted to Main Channel unless showstopper bugs are found.
* New on RC next week will be the threaded region crossing code.
=== Interesting Stuff ===
=== Any Other Items ===
* "http_request() fails to trigger on RC Magnum 12.01.27.248571"
=== Transcript ===
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for February 09th, 2012:
* [14:57] Fancy Greeter: Oskar Linden has arrived!
* [14:58] Kallista Destiny: except to propigate it
* [14:58] Ima Mechanique: speak of the devil...
* [14:58] Fancy Greeter: Caleb Linden has arrived!
* [14:59] Kallista Destiny: Ave Oskar
* [14:59] Larre Leborski: Indeed.. trying to get half presentable :-)
* [15:01] Ima Mechanique: Oskar, what are you doing to that cat?
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: petting it
* [15:01] Oskar Linden: sleeping on it
* [15:01] Ima Mechanique: ... checking the skin for new accessories?
* [15:01] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Which ca... oh, right.
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: welcome everyone!
* [15:02] Homeless: hi Oskar!
* [15:02] Oskar Linden: we'll give it a few more minutes and let the stragglers straggle
* [15:02] Larre Leborski: Hi Oskar :-)
* [15:02] Ada Toy No.2 - dog(follower): Kadah Coba is not my owner
* [15:02] TankMaster Finesmith: heya oskar
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: hi TMF
* [15:03] Oskar Linden: hi larre
* [15:03] Grid Crash Protection Box: , you are no longer protected from the vagaries of the Grid - beware!
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: how have your weeks been?
* [15:04] Oskar Linden: anything exciting?
* [15:05] Flip Idlemind: scramble
* [15:05] TankMaster Finesmith: fix
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: scramble?
* [15:05] Theresa Tennyson: Actually SL seemed abnormally non-laggy this past window.
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: oh ur talking to your script
* [15:05] Theresa Tennyson: *window = weekend
* [15:05] Sahkolihaa ContepomiSahkolihaa Contepomi has been bug hunting for shining.
* [15:05] Oskar Linden: that's funny Theresa because people int he forums said it was particularly laggy
* [15:05] TankMaster Finesmith: silly user using scripts that listen talk channel...
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: in all honesty reports of 'lag' are nearly impossible to act upon
* [15:06] Flip Idlemind: My version on Agni listens on channel 1. But...my version on Agni is on Agni
* [15:06] Theresa Tennyson: I judged it by a very crowded sim I usually am in on weekends.
* [15:06] Homeless: I went to a content dense sim and it was laggy
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: the best bugs to find are ones that are easily repoducible in an RC channel
* [15:06] Rex Cronon: hello everybody
* [15:06] Kallista Destiny: The forums are full of people with nothing better to do than to bitch about things.
* [15:06] Johan Laurasia: lol
* [15:06] Homeless: empty sandboxes no lag
* [15:06] Oskar Linden: if we can prove that all regions in one RC are laggier than main channel regions then we can do something about it
* [15:07] Johan Laurasia: I've often wondered when they find the time to be in SL the way they live on the forums at times
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: that's the real trick
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: and that is where I need your help more than anything
* [15:07] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: I usually only get ping lag and I'm used to it.
* [15:07] Kallista Destiny: Or even a substantial fraction?
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: RC watching and observing
* [15:07] Johan Laurasia: I've noticed some mesh uploads failing with the last two beta releases
* [15:07] Johan Laurasia: not crashing, but failed upload
* [15:07] Oskar Linden: ok well here is the agenda https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
* [15:07] Jonathan Yap: Oz is working on setting up some quescient test regions
* [15:08] Homeless: I wandered into the forums today and saw a post where someone was complaining about the old vwr 2 sidebar... posted today
* [15:08] Rex Cronon: don't u guys have a big display that shows the status of all the sims?
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: all the sims?
* [15:08] Rex Cronon: yes
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: how big would that display be?
* [15:08] Johan Laurasia: lol
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: the size of a building
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: we have displays that track certain metrics and trends
* [15:08] Oskar Linden: we have ways of being notified of bad sims
* [15:08] TankMaster Finesmith: just use the land as a web texture and put the graph on the web...
* [15:08] Rex Cronon: u can have one pixelx for a 3x3 grid of sims
* [15:09] Kallista Destiny: even at one pixel per region it'd b pretty big.
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: but a display that showed all the good sims wouldn't help because most are good
* [15:09] Johan Laurasia: lol
* [15:09] Theresa TennysonTheresa Tennyson was hoping for a room with a big round table and little lights all over the walls.
* [15:09] Rex Cronon: such a dislay would be quite usefull
* [15:09] Jonathan Yap: A display that showed trouble by simhost and colo would be helpful
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: we do have tools that help visualize performance
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: however a lot comes from individual perception
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: like the vivox voice issues recently
* [15:09] Kallista Destiny: And WAAFs pushing markesr around on it?
* [15:09] Oskar Linden: that was a poorly configured UK ISP
* [15:10] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Eh.
* [15:10] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: I'm on that said ISP.
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: it wouldn't have been noticed on region displays
* [15:10] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: But didn't run into that trouble.
* [15:10] Larre Leborski: Can one buy land in here, and what kind of tier can one get?
* [15:10] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: It was only part of the network.
* [15:10] Kallista Destiny: It was mostly people around London.
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: what is trouble jonathan?
* [15:10] Johan Laurasia: You mean it's not like the "Avatar" episode of Law & Order where the guy who owned the company had a big display where he could do anything from there?
* [15:10] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Ah, I'm nowhere near London.
* [15:10] Jonathan Yap: none Oskar, I am thinking in general
* [15:10] Oskar Linden: we have systems in place that notify the OPS team when things go bad
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: new fetures are built with ties into the notification system
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: so like for example if there are no credit card transactions for 15 minutes a bunch of people get emailed
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: things like that
* [15:11] Kallista DestinyKallista Destiny Aotovoiced "when the systems work"
* [15:11] TankMaster Finesmith: shouldn't that be the OOPS team?
* [15:11] Oskar Linden: there is a lot to cover
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: also let's welcome Caleb today
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: hello Caleb
* [15:12] Jonathan Yap: Hi Caleb, welcome
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: Maestro abandoned us today
* [15:12] Draconis Neurocam: hello caleb
* [15:12] Raven Juno: HI CALEB :>
* [15:12] Ima Mechanique: hello Caleb
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: he took some well deserved vacation
* [15:12] Larre Leborski: Hi Caleb :-)
* [15:12] Rex Cronon: hi caleb
* [15:12] Sahkolihaa ContepomiSahkolihaa Contepomi waves. :o
* [15:12] Johan Laurasia: Yo Caleb
* [15:12] Kallista Destiny: Ave Caleb laguri te Salutim
* [15:12] Homeless: Hi Caleb
* [15:12] Oskar Linden: still so weird not to see Maestro here
* [15:12] Caleb Linden: yeah
* [15:13] Oskar Linden: what are you working on these days Caleb?
* [15:13] Caleb Linden: no way i can fill his suit
* [15:13] TankMaster Finesmith: why isn't meastero coming anymore?
* [15:13] Caleb Linden: so we are currently testing the last touches of region cross changes. For phase 1 that is
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: maestro is on vacation for a few days TMF
* [15:14] TankMaster Finesmith: ah!
* [15:14] TankMaster Finesmith: good for him ㋡
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: Caleb how are you testing for the ghosting issue on ADITI?
* [15:14] Caleb Linden: this is just to ramp up what it coming up for phase 2 which is better crossing time
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: so this is still phase 1 of the threaded region crossing code right?
* [15:14] Oskar Linden: the one we shipped a few weeks ago
* [15:14] Caleb Linden: oh, for ghosting, i had our engineer spin up a debug build
* [15:15] Caleb Linden: that added additional lag time to cancel region crossing within 10 seconds
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: cool
* [15:15] Larre Leborski: hmmm... my group gets a 512 Sq M tier in here.
* [15:15] Oskar Linden: as long as we don't ship that build :-D
* [15:15] Jonathan Yap: So you either cross in 10 seconds or never?
* [15:15] Caleb Linden: it all seemed kosher testing individually
* [15:16] Caleb Linden: more like you have 10 seconds time to revoke telling the other region that you made it over
* [15:16] Rex Cronon: if u r having a dog fight a 10 second crossing seems like forever
* [15:17] Caleb Linden: :)
* [15:17] Kallista Destiny: Or if people are spraying you with Arrows
* [15:17] Caleb Linden: anyways, that part of testing is done. today, we had 40 avatar bots crossing the region as part of a stress test
* [15:18] Oskar Linden: how did that look?
* [15:18] Jonathan Yap: Is most of crossing time involved with wrapping up scripts and starting them in the new location?
* [15:18] Caleb Linden: let me pull up the numbers of the average crossing time, and average fps
* [15:19] Caleb Linden: so for now we have the baseline of server-trunk to server-trunk crossing: crossing time 522.29 ms, fps 19.445
* [15:20] Johan Laurasia: not too shabby
* [15:20] Oskar Linden: once this code gets promoted and we move towards stage 2 I'll get carmilla back here to caht
* [15:20] Kallista Destiny: how many frames at 19.445?
* [15:20] Caleb Linden: 131 to 131 seemed higher at 700ms and roughly 19
* [15:21] Caleb Linden: what we are planning on doing next is to eliminate the extra logging that is going on with 131
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: BTW this is the transcript from when Carmilla was here talking about the region crossing code changes: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours/Minutes/2011-11-17
* [15:21] Oskar Linden: it's good reading if you haven't read it yet
* [15:21] Caleb Linden: at least we haven't seen ghosts on 131
* [15:21] TankMaster Finesmith: thats good
* [15:21] Caleb Linden: which was the issue with drtsim-122
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: so
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: ok
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: this week we missed a release window
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: the code that was on RC wasn't ready
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: there was one bug
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: not necessarily a showstopper
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: but we erred on the side of caution
* [15:23] Oskar Linden: SVC-7650
* [15:23] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7650] Color change not applied correctly on cylinder when number of faces is change by altering prim properties. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7650
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: it is fixed in the RC channels now
* [15:24] Draconis Neurocam: im sure that probably effected other things besides that prim type, so it makes sense to err there
* [15:24] Oskar Linden: having another week of soak time for LSL changes is a good idea IMHO
* [15:24] Kallista Destiny: is the SVC-7443 fix in then?
* [15:24] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7443] Telehubs overridden if teleporting a friend/avatar to a region where telehub exists outside of the telehub area https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7443
* [15:25] Oskar Linden: was it supposed to be?
* [15:26] Kallista Destiny: I ask becasue the was kind of stealth implemented. I recall no discussion of it.
* [15:26] Oskar Linden: I am unfamiliar with the issue
* [15:27] Kallista Destiny: And the last time that teleport Lures were overridden by telehubs was in 2008ish, as I recall.
* [15:27] SonicAnd Miles: My friend put that in and i didnt even notice until just last night -lol.
* [15:27] TankMaster Finesmith: thats how it has always been
* [15:28] Fancy Greeter: Caleb Linden has arrived!
* [15:28] Kallista Destiny: It's going to generate a lot of BAW I think
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: BAW?
* [15:28] Kallista Destiny: Teleport Lures overide Telehums?
* [15:28] TankMaster Finesmith: youve always been able to log into a region or teleport others to a region and bypass the fixed entry point
* [15:28] arton Rotaru: the release notes says it's fixed in RC
* [15:28] Kallista Destiny: B-waaaaaaaaa
* [15:28] Caleb Linden: sorry got disconnected
* [15:28] Draconis Neurocam: calls to the whaaaambulance as it were
* [15:28] Rex Cronon: wb
* [15:28] Larre Leborski: :-)
* [15:28] Oskar Linden: I see
* [15:28] Jonathan Yap: Are there a lot of places that do not have "Allow Direct Teleport" checked? As this change only is in effect with that checkbox off
* [15:28] Larre Leborski: wb Caleb :-)
* [15:29] Kallista Destiny: 2008 ish i believe
* [15:29] Kallista Destiny: Yes
* [15:29] Lucia Nightfire: anyone know of a RC region with a parcel using prim multiplication as I'd like to check that SCR-121 was fixed this last RC release
* [15:29] Flame of Jira: [#SCR-121] Entire sim (65,536sq.m.) owned by group, llGetParcelMaxPrims(llGetPos(), TRUE) Returning odd number. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-121
* [15:29] Kallista Destiny: most of the Rp regions donlt allow direct TP except via lure
* [15:29] SonicAnd Miles: I think that is a good thing to have for certain sims that do RP and such :)
* [15:30] Johan Laurasia: remember the days when you could map anyone...lol
* [15:30] Draconis Neurocam: i do too
* [15:30] Johan Laurasia: SL was much more wild west in those days ;)
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: has anyone seen SVC-7660?
* [15:31] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7660] http_request() fails to trigger on RC Magnum 12.01.27.248571 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7660
* [15:31] Kallista Destiny: By the same token people don't really all want to wind through a laggy market to get to the action. You send one, and then he starts teleporting the riad down.
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: this was an issue we tried tracking down this last week
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: kinda sorts sometimes saw it fail
* [15:31] Oskar Linden: but couldn't get specifics on it
* [15:32] SonicAnd Miles: and there is Kris :)
* [15:32] Kris Spade: Hey there!
* [15:32] Flip Idlemind: So, my puzzle cube here, makes use of lists (like, lists of which prims to move) So I took it to one of the RC's and just did a
* [15:32] Flip Idlemind: scramble
* [15:32] Flip Idlemind: And...it's about 3 times slower on the RCs than on main channel
* [15:32] Flip Idlemind: ◯.(⁐)
* [15:33] arton Rotaru: lol
* [15:33] Draconis Neurocam: running in mono?
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: interesting
* [15:33] Flip Idlemind: Yar
* [15:33] Jonathan Yap: Tell Kelly
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: heh yeah
* [15:33] Flip Idlemind: And it's strange because I individually tested all the functions listed in the release notes, and they are much faster on RCs
* [15:33] Kallista Destiny: Monday bright and early
* [15:33] Oskar Linden: but the cube is slower?
* [15:33] Draconis Neurocam: how are you packing the lists?
* [15:34] Flip Idlemind: Yet, overall the script goes from taking 5 seconds on main channel to 15 on the RCs
* [15:34] Jonathan Yap: Maybe you are running into some kind of frame issue, where you get paused
* [15:34] Flip Idlemind: Just like this
* [15:34] Flip Idlemind: the_list+=more_stuff;
* [15:34] Lucia Nightfire: heh
* [15:35] SonicAnd Miles: btw, Kris is here, the one that filed [#SVC-7443] -lol. (this is my first time here i just found out about these meetings lol)
* [15:35] Johan Laurasia: Yeah, Void SInger did alot of testing in that area....
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: welcome SonicAnd
* [15:35] Kris Spade: Heya Oskar
* [15:35] SonicAnd Miles: TY :)
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: I'm not sure what to tell you about SVC-7443
* [15:35] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7443] Telehubs overridden if teleporting a friend/avatar to a region where telehub exists outside of the telehub area https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7443
* [15:35] Kallista Destiny: Welcome to the nuthouse
* [15:35] Oskar Linden: I'm unfamiliar with the issue
* [15:36] Oskar Linden: what's the gist?
* [15:36] Johan Laurasia: shouldn't it be myList =[] + ["foo", "bar"];
* [15:36] Kris Spade: Well best way to explain it in a simple way ...
* [15:36] Johan Laurasia: or mylist +=....
* [15:36] Kallista Destiny: historically teleport lures override telehubs
* [15:36] Jonathan Yap: Are telehubs different than landing points?
* [15:36] Kallista Destiny: regardless of the state of allow direct TP
* [15:37] Kris Spade: Say you create an epic game envirnment in SL, some next level thing using the Linden Realms technology forthcoming, however you game is obsticle based..... It is unfair and would be cheating if people could simply teleport their friends there
* [15:37] Kallista Destiny: Same thing, I believe.
* [15:37] Kris Spade: As it stands right now, if you do not allow direct teleports in the estate settings, and have a telehub, you can direct teleport a friend anyway
* [15:37] Draconis Neurocam: telehubs are per sim and landing points are per parcel as i understood it
* [15:38] Johan Laurasia: you could dynamically build an acces list to prevent that
* [15:38] Kallista Destiny: well if th whole region is 1 parcel.
* [15:38] Jonathan Yap: I see very few telehubs on the map
* [15:38] Kris Spade: So say it took you 2 hours to get to the epic castle of doom to battle the final boss, and claim your prize/reward/experience/whatever, you could just teleport your friend there.
* [15:38] Johan Laurasia: lures don't override access lists
* [15:38] Oskar Linden: so in the Linden Realms regions now you can tp lure anyone to any point in the game?
* [15:39] SonicAnd Miles: i think what he is saying is in a sim setup like a game, you want people to start in the begining of the game, not have a friend TP a new person to the sim half way through... if that makes since :)
* [15:39] SonicAnd Miles: lol
* [15:39] Johan Laurasia: not if the sims access list is modified, dynamically, in real time, so people who can enter, are added to the list
* [15:39] Kris Spade: When I was there last, yes. But I see the issue as fixed in the JIRA so Linden Realms may now have that new server version
* [15:39] Johan Laurasia: Yeah, what I'm saying is you can't overide an access list though with a lure.
* [15:39] Kallista Destiny: I understand Kris but
* [15:39] Homeless: I noticed in Linden Realms teleporting to differnt areas using the map has a high crash rate
* [15:40] Homeless: *different
* [15:40] Caleb Linden: ah, i see. there is a corresponding jira internally which has addressed this issue
* [15:40] Caleb Linden: of luring
* [15:40] Kallista Destiny: this breaks existing conditions, It Violates the Principle of least surprise.
* [15:41] Kallista Destiny: Most people expect teleport to override landing point/Telehum.
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: it's listed in the notes as being fixed in the RC's
* [15:41] Kris Spade: So basically the resolution was to not allow this to happen if Allow DIrect Teleports is unchecked in the estate settings
* [15:41] Jonathan Yap: I don't think landing points are the same as telehubs -- telehubs are pretty rare
* [15:41] Kris Spade: THat's right Jonathan
* [15:41] Oskar Linden: any BlueSteel, LeTigre, or Magnum region should have the SVC-7443 fix
* [15:41] Kallista Destiny: Yeah probably explicit landing point for th whole region
* [15:42] Kris Spade: That's what it is yes, an explicity landing point for the entire region.
* [15:42] SonicAnd Miles: Kris we can test this on my sim if u want later, I have the telehub and im on RC Magnum now with Phantom Island :)
* [15:42] Kris Spade: -y
* [15:42] Jonathan Yap: Kallista, look in your about land controls or someplace like that, I bet you find a telehub control button
* [15:42] Johan Laurasia: right, what were you guys thinkin' back then...lol
* [15:42] Kris Spade: Ok sounds good Sonic!
* [15:42] Oskar Linden: has anyone verified the fix on AGNI?
* [15:42] Johan Laurasia: I have a telehub in my inventory
* [15:43] Kris Spade: I have not, but I will be doing so after this meeting.
* [15:43] Kallista Destiny: none the less This should have been discussed and alternate methods explored before something as fundemental as Teleport lures were broken.
* [15:43] Kris Spade: I didn't know it hit any servers yet.
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: cool
* [15:43] Oskar Linden: thanks Kris
* [15:43] Kallista Destiny: it's should be on ALL of the RC servers.
* [15:43] Flip Idlemind: I don't think we should be doing away with the ability to TP people directly to where you actually are... ◯.(⁐)
* [15:43] Johan Laurasia: no, that would be bad
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: Kris, once a week I put a post up here: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Server/bd-p/SecondLifeServer
* [15:44] Jonathan Yap: I think this particular case is very rare, so everyone is worrying for naught
* [15:44] Kallista Destiny: ot there should be another control to disallow it.
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: titled "Deploys for the week of ..."
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: that links to release notes
* [15:44] Kris Spade: Awesome! I'll bookmark that now
* [15:44] Kallista Destiny: Johathan, it happes all the time in Rp regions
* [15:44] Johan Laurasia: I have a forced landing point on my land so customers get teleported to the store, but I often sound out teleports to bring people to my workspace 1500 meters up
* [15:44] Flip Idlemind: I think there are other ways to make sure people don't reach the final boss without cheating...or whatever
* [15:44] Johan Laurasia: send out*
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: for example the release notes for BlueSteel: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/12
* [15:44] SonicAnd Miles: It isnt actually doing away with that ability. It is only for ccertan sim owners to control it bassed on the enviroment of the sim. Mostly all the sims wont use that feature. ;)
* [15:44] Oskar Linden: list SVC-7443 as a fixed issue
* [15:45] Kris Spade: Yeah I see that. THanks :D
* [15:45] Johan Laurasia: Yeah, I said it like 5 times
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: I thought you were all trying to tell me it wasn't fixed
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:45] Kris Spade: I just got here
* [15:45] Kris Spade: :P__Oskar
* [15:45] Kallista Destiny: no. you miss the point we don;t allow random in coming TP bu we do allow lures
* [15:45] Kris Spade: I'll test it after the meeting.
* [15:45] Kallista Destiny: I think that the 'fix' has broken things.
* [15:45] Oskar Linden: I'm still missing the point?
* [15:45] Kallista Destiny: again.
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: well why didn't you say so :-p
* [15:46] Kris Spade: I'm not looking to allow any lures on my region, which is completely game based. It breaks all of our hard work.
* [15:46] Kallista Destiny: grrrrrr
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: I'm more confused now
* [15:46] Jonathan Yap: Let's move along Oskar
* [15:46] Johan Laurasia: me too
* [15:46] Kris Spade: Sounds good ㋡
* [15:46] Jonathan Yap: That's a subject for a server group meeting
* [15:46] Kallista Destiny: read the otes at the end of the JIRA
* [15:46] Oskar Linden: if there is a new broken issue I want to know about it
* [15:47] Flip Idlemind: I can't agree more with this comment that's on the JIRA: "Changing useful expected behavior to help with a remote edge-case is a bad idea."
* [15:47] SonicAnd Miles: i dont think there is a broken issue, i think we just didnt realize there was a fix already on the RC servers for that issue. We will test it promptly after this meeting and play around with it :)
* [15:47] Kallista Destiny: I tried to bring it up an Andrew' meeting Monday with no succuss.
* [15:47] Kallista Destiny: Will do it again on Friday.
* [15:47] Oskar Linden: ok. well if andrew ignored it I should too :-p
* [15:47] Johan Laurasia: heh
* [15:48] Kallista Destiny: Oh bother
* [15:48] Jonathan Yap: There's the general question of how long a bug has to be around to become considered a valuable feature
* [15:48] Oskar Linden: :-)
* [15:49] Draconis Neurocam: that time has changed over the years jonathan, someone could do a doctoral thesis on it
* [15:49] Gooden Uggla: you put in checkpoints to avoid cheaters...
* [15:49] Flip Idlemind: That ^
* [15:49] Johan Laurasia: I have a feeling if you freeze me for 500 years, thaw me out, and I log on to SL, it'll be some amazing 3D virtual holodeck that's 100 percent imersive in all 5 senses, and perfect in every way.... except region crossings are still glitchy.
* [15:50] Gooden Uggla: sorry, i was on the phone
* [15:50] Jonathan Yap: Are there any more subjects?
* [15:50] Flip Idlemind: You think there will only be 5 senses in 500 years? I'm sure we'll make up more
* [15:50] Johan Laurasia: lol
* [15:50] Oskar Linden: the SVC-7660 worries me some
* [15:50] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7660] http_request() fails to trigger on RC Magnum 12.01.27.248571 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7660
* [15:50] Gooden Uggla: Kris... you want to break existing content for everyone that has a telehub in order to protect a game? the answer is no. the estate owners would convulse
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: and I'd like to see if anyone can reliably break it
* [15:51] TankMaster Finesmith: * [15:48] Kallista Arliss left the region.
* [15:51] Oskar Linden: or figure out that there is a real issue there
* [15:51] Johan Laurasia: Well, you guys have me busy... with all the scripting improvements & mesh... I'm busy redoing the whole product line.
* [15:51] Rex Cronon: there must be other way 2 do it
* [15:51] Johan Laurasia: So thanks for all the additions in the last few
* [15:51] Kris Spade: No that's not what anybody is saying Gooden
* [15:52] Kris Spade: This would only behave this way if Allow Direct Teleports in estate settings is unchecked.
* [15:52] Lucia Nightfire: I narrowed down the choices for the cause for SCR-243, would be nice if that was looked at again
* [15:52] Flame of Jira: [#SCR-243] llCastRay returns RCERR_CAST_TIME_EXCEEDED until the sim is rebooted https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-243
* [15:53] Gooden Uggla: that checkbox exists to enforce LP's, not telehubs
* [15:53] Rex Cronon: i think kris just wants a switch that can be on/off for each estate
* [15:53] Gooden Uggla: but give it your best shot, good luck
* [15:53] Oskar Linden: hmm
* [15:53] Lucia Nightfire: would also be nice if regions were reset if no code was going to be deployed during the week
* [15:54] TankMaster Finesmith: I dunno, I would reather tp someone to me when I see them enter the region then to force them spend the time to fly to me
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: they are sometimes Lucia
* [15:55] Oskar Linden: it depends
* [15:55] Gooden Uggla: IIRC ANSI had an issue with SVC-7660 last week, there was a discussion and a white flagh raised in beta group over it
* [15:55] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7660] http_request() fails to trigger on RC Magnum 12.01.27.248571 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7660
* [15:56] Lucia Nightfire: the last three times thre was now code for main channel deployed they were left runnign another week
* [15:56] Lucia Nightfire: *no code
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: it depended on the specific region
* [15:56] Oskar Linden: I can suggest that all regions are restarted every release day regardless
* [15:56] Gooden Uggla: file a "region down" ticket and write in the comments that you have ghosted avatars, they'll restart it
* [15:57] Jonathan Yap: Aside from that programming glitch go ghosted avatars happen every so often?
* [15:57] Jonathan Yap: *do ghosted
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: they haven't happened so much lately
* [15:58] Gooden Uggla: some server cversions seem more prone to it than others, it was almost non-existent for a year
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: we fixed some region crossing issues a few months back and ghost mostly disappeared
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: ask MariGold Devin
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: she is the premier SL ghost hunter
* [15:58] Oskar Linden: and she has been bored for months
* [15:58] Gooden Uggla: what oskar said^
* [15:59] TankMaster Finesmith: woot
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: oh wow it's 4 already
* [16:00] Lucia Nightfire: time
* [16:00] Oskar Linden: how did that happen
* [16:00] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Midnight for me.
* [16:00] Larre Leborski: :-)
* [16:00] Draconis Neurocam: the things and the stuff
* [16:00] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Friday already.
* [16:00] Jonathan Yap: telebugs took over the meeting
* [16:00] Larre Leborski: 5 PM here :-)
* [16:01] Ima Mechanique: 00:00 for me too
* [16:01] Rex Cronon: tc all. i g2g. bye
* [16:01] Lucia Nightfire: sorry to ask again, but dose anyoen know of a RC region with a parcel using prim multiplication as I'd liek to test that SCR-121 is fixed
* [16:01] Flame of Jira: [#SCR-121] Entire sim (65,536sq.m.) owned by group, llGetParcelMaxPrims(llGetPos(), TRUE) Returning odd number. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-121
* [16:01] Oskar Linden: I don't have one Lucia
* [16:02] Jonathan Yap: you might have to fly around looking for one
* [16:02] Kris Spade: Is it possible to upgrade your region to a RC region? Is there a ticket for that or something? ㋡
* [16:02] arton Rotaru: I wouldn't call it an "upgrade" :p
* [16:02] Kris Spade: hehe
* [16:02] Lucia Nightfire: I have a parcel detail/param scanner but knowing ahead of time would help, heh
* [16:02] Jonathan Yap: Lucia, you can try sending out a query on the server beta mailing list
* [16:03] Kylie Remsen: has anyone had problems rezzing anything after a inventory update?
* [16:05] Larre Leborski: not me yet.. just rezzed a few things this morning.
* [16:05] Oskar Linden: nothing concrete Kylie
* [16:05] arton Rotaru: okies, thx for the meeting, bye all
* [16:05] Ima Mechanique: bye all
* [16:05] Kylie Remsen: hmm just me then
* [16:06] Oskar Linden: have a good weekend!
* [16:06] Johan Laurasia: You too, thanks