Open Development User Group/Archive/2011-03-21

07:00 	Wolfpup  	hey Oz
  	Office Orb  	mail_to set to oz@lindenlab.com
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  	Oz Linden  	Hi everybody
  	draconis.neurocam  	hey oz
07:01 	Oz Linden  	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Development_User_Group#Agenda
  	  	Reminder: Make the viewer-development-builds mailing list archives public
  	Youri Ashton  	heya oz (sorry, busy filling in a ticket)
07:02 	Oz Linden  	Done.
  	  	(finally)
  	lamp -ExTempore- Lighthouse Lamp  	Ready. Please touch light beam for menu.
  	  	Menu access set to Owner only.
  	Items Box  	
Open me and click the 'Copy To Inventory' button.
Then drag your object from inventory to the ground.
  	by aeryglow wildlife v2.12 Flying Seagull by Aeryglow Wildlife v2.12 	Select Operation From Menu,
Use floating text above the base to aid in setup.
  	  	
*** Current Status ***
Position: <223.6, 133.3, 37.30>.
Tilt South/East: 0/0
Radius: 25
Speed: 30
Sound Volume: 79%
  	  	Flight Turned On.
  	  	Select Operation From Menu,
Use floating text above the base to aid in setup.
  	Wolfpup  	hey Oz
  	Office Orb  	mail_to set to oz@lindenlab.com
  	  	Start transcription to oz@lindenlab.com
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  	Oz Linden  	Hi everybody
  	draconis.neurocam  	hey oz
  	Oz Linden  	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Development_User_Group#Agenda
  	  	Reminder: Make the viewer-development-builds mailing list archives public
  	Youri Ashton  	heya oz (sorry, busy filling in a ticket)
  	Oz Linden  	Done.
  	  	(finally)
  	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	\o/
  	  	Thanks :-)
  	Oz Linden  	OPEN Issue Triage (Oz Linden)
07:03 	  	Just one issue on the list today : OPEN-43
  	Office Orb  	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-43
OPEN-43 Autobuild2010 package project does not place LindenDeveloper.exe in build-vc100/newview/RelWithDebInfo
07:04 	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	hmm ... https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/viewer-development-builds/ still asks for login ...
  	  	goes back to lists.secondlife.com to see if there's another way to take
  	draconis.neurocam  	https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/viewer-development-builds
07:05 	Wolfpup  	the only time i got autobuild to work on my system this worked but i was building in release mode not relwithdebuginfo
  	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	ah, https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/viewer-development-builds/ works
  	Oz Linden  	http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/viewer-development-builds/
07:06 	  	This issue is not really clear....
  	Youri Ashton  	(done)
  	  	hey open :)
  	oobscure  	hey everybody
07:07 	Oz Linden  	It's possiblle that OPEN-43 is a side effect of a naming bug that I believe is fixed now
  	Wolfpup  	Oz what it looks like is happening is that in the relwithdebuginfo mode the file is not actualy being made
  	Ima Mechanique  	my last RelWithDebInfo build with merov's repo had a LindenDeveloper.exe file
07:08 	Wolfpup  	some one on windows that has a working autobuild environment might need to retest
  	Ima Mechanique  	I have another build running now which should be finished soon(ish)
  	Oz Linden  	the fix was just pulled on Saturday (or maybe Sunday)
07:09 	Wolfpup  	Oz my only sucessful build run in autobuild was done when i reported the font issue
  	Oz Linden  	well, step one is to find out whether the windows installer produced by TeamCity works
  	  	if it does, but local builds do not, then we know something about where to look
07:10 	  	I am assuming (though the issue does not actually say so) that the user-visible problem is that the install does not have the right binary in it?
  	lamp -ExTempore- Lighthouse Lamp  	Ready. Please touch light beam for menu.
  	  	Menu access set to Owner only.
  	Items Box  	
Open me and click the 'Copy To Inventory' button.
Then drag your object from inventory to the ground.
  	by aeryglow wildlife v2.12 Flying Seagull by Aeryglow Wildlife v2.12 	Select Operation From Menu,
Use floating text above the base to aid in setup.
  	  	
*** Current Status ***
Position: <223.6, 133.3, 37.30>.
Tilt South/East: 0/0
Radius: 25
Speed: 30
Sound Volume: 79%
  	  	Flight Turned On.
  	  	Select Operation From Menu,
Use floating text above the base to aid in setup.
  	Wolfpup  	hey Oz
  	Office Orb  	mail_to set to oz@lindenlab.com
  	  	Start transcription to oz@lindenlab.com
  	  	Transcript will be sent to: oz@lindenlab.com
  	Oz Linden  	Hi everybody
  	draconis.neurocam  	hey oz
  	Oz Linden  	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Development_User_Group#Agenda
  	  	Reminder: Make the viewer-development-builds mailing list archives public
  	Youri Ashton  	heya oz (sorry, busy filling in a ticket)
  	Oz Linden  	Done.
  	  	(finally)
  	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	\o/
  	  	Thanks :-)
  	Oz Linden  	OPEN Issue Triage (Oz Linden)
  	  	Just one issue on the list today : OPEN-43
  	Office Orb  	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-43
OPEN-43 Autobuild2010 package project does not place LindenDeveloper.exe in build-vc100/newview/RelWithDebInfo
  	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	hmm ... https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/viewer-development-builds/ still asks for login ...
  	  	goes back to lists.secondlife.com to see if there's another way to take
  	draconis.neurocam  	https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/viewer-development-builds
  	Wolfpup  	the only time i got autobuild to work on my system this worked but i was building in release mode not relwithdebuginfo
  	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	ah, https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/viewer-development-builds/ works
  	Oz Linden  	http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/viewer-development-builds/
  	  	This issue is not really clear....
  	Youri Ashton  	(done)
  	  	hey open :)
  	oobscure  	hey everybody
  	Oz Linden  	It's possiblle that OPEN-43 is a side effect of a naming bug that I believe is fixed now
  	Wolfpup  	Oz what it looks like is happening is that in the relwithdebuginfo mode the file is not actualy being made
  	Ima Mechanique  	my last RelWithDebInfo build with merov's repo had a LindenDeveloper.exe file
  	Wolfpup  	some one on windows that has a working autobuild environment might need to retest
  	Ima Mechanique  	I have another build running now which should be finished soon(ish)
  	Oz Linden  	the fix was just pulled on Saturday (or maybe Sunday)
  	Wolfpup  	Oz my only sucessful build run in autobuild was done when i reported the font issue
  	Oz Linden  	well, step one is to find out whether the windows installer produced by TeamCity works
  	  	if it does, but local builds do not, then we know something about where to look
  	  	I am assuming (though the issue does not actually say so) that the user-visible problem is that the install does not have the right binary in it?
07:11 	Wolfpup  	actualy it is when the step copying secondlife-bin -> LindenDeveloper sliently fails
  	Oz Linden  	not enough context
  	  	copying when? as part of the build?
07:12 	Wolfpup  	yes
  	Oz Linden  	ok, well, the TC builds pass, so it's some local problem at most
  	  	I'm going to send this back for more info
  	Wolfpup  	it might be the fact thant the working directory dose not get set right
07:14 	  	in my working build i had @ the end of the building of the viewer a step that set the working directory and then fired devenv to mod the sloution
  	Oz Linden  	It's not a good bug report
  	Wolfpup  	but im not on express
07:15 	Oz Linden  	every report should specify the precise environment - for a build problem that means what repo and tip changeset, exactly what command was run, and exactly what error occurred. That issue does not specify any of those
  	Wolfpup  	true
07:16 	Oz Linden  	Last item, which is a followup from last Wednesday.... the open developer queue
  	Wolfpup  	open developer que ?
07:17 	Oz Linden  	I've decided that what I'm going to do is to add a Label (open-candidate ?) to issues in the STORM Product Backlog
07:18 	  	that will indicate that those issues are ones that we'd really like open devs to take on (because we want them but for whatever reason Lindens are unlikely to be able to do them soon)
07:19 	Wolfpup  	ok
  	Ima Mechanique  	sounds reasonable ;-)
  	Oz Linden  	The goal is to let people know which issues we will certainly review quickly if they're worked on
07:20 	draconis.neurocam  	im sure an indicator of such would be appretiated
  	Oz Linden  	I'll add a shared filter for them, and put a link to it on the Snowstorm wiki page
07:21 	Wolfpup  	it would help if those that dowork on a give issue was able to move it as well
  	Oz Linden  	That should not be taken to mean that we won't look at other stuff, but those will get you extra brownie points with me :-)
  	  	you mean move it from VWR to STORM?
  	Wolfpup  	or from backlog to current sprint
07:23 	Oz Linden  	VWR -> STORM is a triage decision ... for some things, any Snowstorm team member will be able to do those for you if you just drop us an email
  	  	for others, we'll have to get wider review
07:24 	  	within LL, I mean
  	Wolfpup  	what if the issue is already on the strom back log ?
  	Oz Linden  	I'm going to be spending a lot of time discussing the VWR triage process this week with our new VP
07:25 	draconis.neurocam  	who is the new vp?
  	Oz Linden  	if it's already on the STORM backlog, and you're going to commit to do it for a particular sprint, as long as it won't require major LL work (such as needing substantial UI design from us), the any of us should be able to do that any time
07:26 	  	The marketing people would be annoyed with me if I told you his name before they do a formal announcement
  	draconis.neurocam  	ah alright
07:27 	Oz Linden  	But he'll be spending most of this week in the Boston office, and I expect to spend a lot of time with him
  	  	Selling Snowstorm and Open Source
  	draconis.neurocam  	thats good news, im sure you will be persuasive
  	Oz Linden  	I've got good data to work from
07:28 	Ima Mechanique  	autobuild RelWithDebInfo just finished LindenDeveloper all present and correct.
  	  	that's merov's repo updated on Sunday
  	Wolfpup  	i think if he sees how well storm has progresed the viewer and how much the open source community has helped with issues getting fixed that should help to sell those to the new VP
07:29 	Oz Linden  	but it shouldn't have that name... what is the tip changeset on your repo?
  	Ima Mechanique  	hmm, don't know how to find that
  	Oz Linden  	on the command line: hg log -r tip
  	Ima Mechanique  	I'm not much good with hg
  	Wolfpup  	Ima look with HG Repository Explorer it will show the default tip
  	Ima Mechanique  	okay just a sec
07:30 	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	just "hg tip" should work, too
  	Ima Mechanique  	changeset: 15374:a9dac2f5d7c6
tag: tip
parent: 15373:e9b24d6d636c
parent: 15372:3731b832df63
user: Merov Linden <merov@lindenlab.com>
date: Sat Mar 19 14:53:09 2011 -0700
summary: Sync with merov_linden/viewer-autobuild2010
  	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	though, it's usually more interesting what the working dir's parent is, than what the tip is:
  	  	hg parent
07:31 	Ima Mechanique  	parent is the same
  	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	ok
  	Oz Linden  	actually, do this: hg log -r a64f612d838c
07:32 	Ima Mechanique  	D:\Dev\C++\SL\ab-merov>hg log -r a64f612d838c
changeset: 15362:a64f612d838c
parent: 15345:a05787908cb0
user: brad kittenbrink <brad@lindenlab.com>
date: Fri Mar 18 19:30:59 2011 -0400
summary: Fix for broken escaping of viewer_channel variable at configuration
time.
  	Oz Linden  	hmm.... well, you have the fix....
  	Wolfpup  	Oz curreing tip in merovs repository is changeset a7f1a82d4606
07:33 	Oz Linden  	sounds like Nickys bug is probably fixed
07:34 	  	there were a couple of related problems that got fixed very late last week
07:36 	Ima Mechanique  	there were a whole bunch of commits. I read through them before pulling
  	Oz Linden  	who's running an autobuilt viewer now?
  	Ima Mechanique  	you mean here on one?
07:37 	Wolfpup  	the autobuilt viewer i had has decreased font size
  	Ima Mechanique  	as I do have the new build opened as well , but in Phoenix here
  	Oz Linden  	there's another batch coming as soon as my test build completes
  	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	I didn't yet manage to build 64bit with autobuild, but I'm almost there, I believe.
  	Ima Mechanique  	Wolfpup, looks like NickyP's suggested fix does the job
  	Wolfpup  	i will have to make the adjust ment nicky did and try a rebuild tonight
07:38 	  	ok Ima
  	draconis.neurocam  	i tried the vs2010 beta, but im currently on the latest viewer-dev teamcity build thing
  	Oz Linden  	yes - actually, as far as I've heard the font issue is the worst thing anyone has found
  	Ima Mechanique  	I'm gonna compare the previous build side by side to be sure though
  	Wolfpup  	and i found that
07:39 	Ima Mechanique  	Oz you mean apart from my CTRL+SHIFT+G, I *mis* that toggle and can't work out why it doesn't work for me
  	Oz Linden  	I'm working on a rewrite of the Libraries wiki page to bring it up to date and point to the new open repositories for all the dependencies
07:40 	  	I didn't mean the font thing was the only problem, but the grid selector won't affect many users
  	Wolfpup  	Oz we need to know also what is on the cygwin for the TC farms as there is a major discrepency between those and the OS devs
  	Ima Mechanique  	I was kidding about it being serious ;-)
  	  	seems it's only me suffering with it so likely my end
07:41 	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	has anyone else tested it yet?
  	Oz Linden  	Jenn is going to post new Windows setup documentation this week on the wiki - I'll make sure that is there, Wolfpup
  	draconis.neurocam  	woo
  	Ima Mechanique  	yes, TC details would help us not to make suggestions that can't work
  	Oz Linden  	I was running it most of the weekend (mostly just being a SL tourist)
07:42 	draconis.neurocam  	if only more lindens did that oz
  	Ardy Lay  	Find anything cool?
  	Oz Linden  	several things
  	Wolfpup  	thx cause i actualy had to edit the build-cmd.sh for the 3p-fmod to get it to make the fmod package
  	Oz Linden  	I've been shopping for cool things to scatter around the Hippo regions
  	Ima Mechanique  	I found a different work around to Wolf
07:43 	Oz Linden  	We have lots of cool wildlife here now :-)
  	Wolfpup  	Ima we shouldn't have to use workarounds
  	Ima Mechanique  	I know
  	draconis.neurocam  	watch someone will make breedable hippos
  	Ima Mechanique  	workaround are fine short term, but ar enot long term solutions
  	Wolfpup  	i have some breadable horses
  	Oz Linden  	Hey - a Hippo - why didn't I think of that?
  	  	gotta find one....
07:44 	  	I don't want breedables
  	Wolfpup  	i know they expencive to maintain
  	Oz Linden  	just nice animals that don't require any maintance
  	Ima Mechanique  	yeah breeding hippos would register on the richter scale
  	Ardy Lay  	Somebody gave me a hippo a while back. I don't have a use for it.
07:45 	Oz Linden  	And someone took me on a tour of Avilon - that was cool
  	Wolfpup  	there are ridable horses you cant get that are not of the breedable type
  	Oz Linden  	Is it a good one, Ardy?
  	Ardy Lay  	I think it just "swims" in circles. Looks like a gag gift to me.
07:46 	Wolfpup  	Oz you should see the Anichent Dragon Av i have
  	  	it even come with a sadle so people can ride with me
  	Oz Linden  	send me a pointer to the Creator for it
  	Ima Mechanique  	Oz does TeamCity refer to the build farm management by Jet Brains?
07:47 	Oz Linden  	yup ... that's what we use to do all our official builds
  	Ardy Lay  	It's goofy looking. I put it at Merov's place just now.
  	Ima Mechanique  	and can you tellme which environment it uses msbuild?
  	Oz Linden  	I want one that's a bit less cartoonish
07:48 	  	sorry Ima ... I don't understand the question
  	Ardy Lay  	Yeah, looks like an inflated toy.
  	Ima Mechanique  	TeamCity uses build agents to do the building
  	Oz Linden  	yes - we have different agents for the VS 2005 and 2010 builds
07:49 	Ima Mechanique  	I'm wondering which agent it uses for Windows
  	  	will be using for 2010 I should say ;-)
  	Wolfpup  	Ima yes it will once the merg happens
  	Ima Mechanique  	I just want to be sure that anything we come up with can be targeted to be minimal problem with TC
07:50 	Oz Linden  	I guess that I still don't understand... you can see what it runs in the autobuild.xml and build.sh files
  	Ardy Lay  	Oz, I'd like to know what version of the platform libraries you use on Windows builds.
  	Oz Linden  	that'll be in the documentation Jenn posts, Ardy
  	Ardy Lay  	Thanks
  	Wolfpup  	Ardy they are listed in the autobuild.xml
  	Ima Mechanique  	ah, but I don't see if it's using msbuild, the GUI, or any of several other ways to leverage VC2010
  	Oz Linden  	I think Ardy meant the MSVC libs
07:51 	Ardy Lay  	Yes
  	Oz Linden  	Ima - right now, it's running devenv
  	Ardy Lay  	Oh, hmm...
  	Wolfpup  	btw Oz it seems that the boost files are not current in the autobuild.xml compared to what is listed on the servers
  	Ima Mechanique  	Oz I'll read through the TC documentation again and get you a more specific question ;-)
07:52 	Oz Linden  	ok
  	Ima Mechanique  	oh, think you've answered me. Could it use the msbuild?
  	Wolfpup  	and the Tc farms set up for Visual Studio 8 2005 right now
  	Ardy Lay  	Microsoft Windows SDK version is what I am asking.
  	Oz Linden  	If you can find a way to run command line buillds under autobuild that works for all editions of VS, that would be a great contribution
07:53 	  	I will set up builds to try whatever you come up with on our TC
  	Wolfpup  	Oz msbuild is what is working
  	Ima Mechanique  	that's what I'm hoping. I know TC will run with msbuild, and so will VCE with latest SDK
07:54 	  	that would essentially remove any difference and simplify matters quite a bit on Windows
  	Oz Linden  	That would let us reduce the number of configurations in the autobuilld.xml
  	Ima Mechanique  	yes
  	  	there would effectively be little or no difference between OS and TC and VCE
07:55 	Wolfpup  	we would still need the OS options but the VC10's could be merged into the normal OS options
  	Ima Mechanique  	something we'd all appreciate I think ;-)
  	Oz Linden  	If you come up with something, open an issue and link it to OPEN-1
  	Office Orb  	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-1
OPEN-1 autobuild requires custom configurations for use with Visual Studio Express
07:56 	Wolfpup  	Oz i beleave some of it has already gon into merovs repository
  	Oz Linden  	just a few minutes left ... any other issues?
  	Ima Mechanique  	okay
07:57 	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	Should to standalone configuration attemp a 32bit build by default, or a native one?
07:58 	Wolfpup  	default standalone for now is 32 isnt it
  	Oz Linden  	The real answer is that I don't care.
  	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	ok
07:59 	Oz Linden  	We never do standalone builds
08:00 	Office Orb  	Your timer has expired!
  	Oz Linden  	I've got another meeting.... see you all soon.
  	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে  	Wolfpup, yes, current default is 32. But I think it could easily be changed to native by just not defining WORD_SIZE in the configuration.
  	Ima Mechanique  	okay, bye Oz