Open Source Meeting/2009-11-05

* [14:00] Twisted Laws: quicktime media works in todays build
* [14:00] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Welcome back Merov and hey Rob.
* [14:00] Ardy Lay: Yes, it does.
* [14:00] Twisted Laws: :)
* [14:01] Clexor Denfu: hello
* [14:01] Rob Linden: hi folks
* [14:01] Ardy Lay: Hi Rob. Hi again Merov.
* [14:01] Merov Linden: man... crashed my own Snowglobe... :(
* [14:01] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Heh.
* [14:01] Aimee Trescothick: oops
* [14:01] Aimee Trescothick: hands Merov the crazy glue
* [14:01] Aimee Trescothick: oh, you said crashed, not smashed
* [14:01] Psi Merlin: Hi Rob, Merov
* [14:02] Merov Linden: I can't even vent and blame LL devs...
* [14:02] Twisted Laws: haha
* [14:02] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: xD
* [14:02] Rob Linden: Merov: sure you can!
* [14:02] Aimee Trescothick: why not? Everyone else does!
* [14:02] Pixel Gausman: Merov: u could, but it would be a rather circular arguement
* [14:02] Merov Linden: slaps himself in the face...
* [14:02] Merov Linden: doesn't feel better
* [14:03] Rob Linden: alrighty....let's get started
* [14:03] Claw Hammer: v0.13i: You can't touch this Ardy!
* [14:03] Rob Linden: we'd really like to get a release candidate out today, or at least before the weekend
* [14:03] Rob Linden: so...keeping that in mind, let's take a look at the list
* [14:04] Rob Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda
* [14:04] Rob Linden: Quick Comment - This seems resolved to me as of 2967. (Ardy Lay) SNOW-324[c
* [14:04] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-324: 
* [#SNOW-324] video media: no longer works in Snowglobe. It does in the SL Viewer. Youtube videos and quicktime movies do not work at all, button is toggled and does not respond.
* [14:04] JIRA: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-324: 
* [#SNOW-324] video media: no longer works in Snowglobe. It does in the SL Viewer. Youtube videos and quicktime movies do not work at all, button is toggled and does not respond.
* [14:04] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: ...eep
* [14:04] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Sorry about that. *turns it off*
* [14:05] Twisted Laws: i just tested that one on my parcel and quicktime media worked fine for me... Snowglobe 1.2.0 (2967) Nov 5 2009 09:55:44
* [14:05] Ardy Lay: I agree
* [14:05] Merov Linden: must be that last commit I did
* [14:05] Rob Linden: alright...let's call that one fixed then
* [14:06] Merov Linden: that was something the media folks struggled with internally as well
* [14:06] Robin Cornelius: I'm guessing my linux issues are chroot driven anway so not representative
* [14:06] Rob Linden: how about SNOW-339
* [14:06] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-339: 
* [#SNOW-339] streams not: playing in Windows XP and getting none/none MIME errors in XP and Linux
* [14:06] Merov Linden: actually, Electric says the media works now as of 2967
* [14:06] Rob Linden: (btw, Robin...we might have a separate issue still to work out with Linux media)
* [14:07] Merov Linden: but he/she still gets the error on non/none
* [14:07] Rob Linden: I wasn't able to repro this one
* [14:07] Ardy Lay: I also tested on Wondows XP SP3 and concur, media is playing now. I do NOT see the NONE/NONE message.
* [14:08] Merov Linden: I got the log and I'm wondering if the plugin system is not trying to open some xml files
* [14:08] Merov Linden: that seems to be some notification or something
* [14:08] Merov Linden: weird
* [14:08] Robin Cornelius: i've not hit the none/none error on windows
* [14:08] Rob Linden: Robin: do you see it on Linux?
* [14:08] Robin Cornelius: no, i was getting plugins loading but gstreamer was objecting loudly
* [14:09] Pixel Gausman: i wonder if it was related to what i saw that one time in SNOW-338
* [14:09] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-338: 
* [#SNOW-338] fails to: launch SLURLs correctly, showing "No Media Plugin was found to handle the 'none/none' mime type
* [14:09] Merov Linden: ooo... interesting Pixel...
* [14:09] Rob Linden: yeah, these look like duplicate issues
* [14:09] Ardy Lay: I just ran the SLURL tests on Windows 7 and Windows XP and they worked properly.
* [14:09] Techwolf Lupindo: Sorry i'me late. $%^&* no-script in a previos OH.
* [14:09] Pixel Gausman: it was weird. i hit in in sprint testing right at the end, and now can't reproduce on the same build
* [14:11] Merov Linden: I like spooky bugs like that
* [14:11] Thunderclap Morgridge: spooky bugs?
* [14:11] Rob Linden: Pixel: there do seem to be some intermittent errors still with parcel media, but I think we may need to get Snowglobe out there to get them narrowed down
* [14:11] Merov Linden: or peeka boo bugs: I see you / I don't see you
* [14:11] Pixel Gausman: rob: agree
* [14:12] Pixel Gausman: we don't have enuf data points to see the pattern
* [14:12] Wut Moorlord: Merov: oh, those kinds. they're my least favorite :)
* [14:12] Ardy Lay: Merov also likes ghost stories. :-)
* [14:12] Rob Linden: we'll just need to be clear about that in the release notes, and provide some guidance on bug reporting
* [14:13] Merov Linden: "include secondlife.log" should be there
* [14:13] Merov Linden: in the guidance
* [14:13] Robin Cornelius: Media plugins really need to be able to log backtraces when they go down
* [14:13] Rob Linden: ok...let's keep going down the list
* [14:14] Rob Linden: SNOW-157[c
* [14:14] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-157: 
* [#SNOW-157] : most: textures don't load logged on an OpenSim
* [14:14] Techwolf Lupindo: Kind person please point me to the list...
* [14:14] Pixel Gausman: Thickbrick da bomb! excellent analysis on 157
* [14:14] Thickbrick Sleaford: heh
* [14:14] Ardy Lay: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda
* [14:14] Merov Linden: aplauds
* [14:15] Pixel Gausman: i feel pretty good about this one. has anyone else tested the patch?
* [14:15] Merov Linden: I propose Thickbrick takes ownership (and credit) for this one and commits it
* [14:15] Pixel Gausman: +1
* [14:15] Thickbrick Sleaford: the problem with texture fetching is its pretty hard to know what it's doing
* [14:15] Pixel Gausman: nods
* [14:16] Techwolf Lupindo: Two of my bugs are on the list, I need to go afk for a while. RL issues.
* [14:16] Thickbrick Sleaford: I'll try to do some more runs with the debuging outputs
* [14:16] Thickbrick Sleaford: to make sure Itdoesn't break anything
* [14:16] Pixel Gausman: Can some others try the patch as well?
* [14:17] Rob Linden: ok, that works. Thickbrick, when do you anticipate you'll have time to make the actual checkin?
* [14:17] Merov Linden: can
* [14:17] Rob Linden: (assuming your test runs check out)
* [14:17] Rob Linden: (and assuming you don't hear something bad from others)
* [14:18] Thickbrick Sleaford: I guess later today
* [14:18] Rob Linden: fantastic....ok, we'll hold up for that, then
* [14:18] Thickbrick Sleaford: or tomorrow, if that's better?
* [14:18] Rob Linden: sooner=better
* [14:18] Thickbrick Sleaford: oh, ok
* [14:19] Merov Linden: realizes it's late for Thickbrick...
* [14:19] Rob Linden: yeah....if you don't get to it, we may commit on your behalf tomorrow or something
* [14:19] Thickbrick Sleaford: nah, I'm good for a few more hours today
* [14:19] Pixel Gausman: i hate not knowing what timezone anyone is in
* [14:20] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: sees 10:20PM on her clock.
* [14:20] Thunderclap Morgridge: Im in the cen tral US time zone
* [14:20] Thunderclap Morgridge: and Sah is in London?
* [14:20] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Urgh, London. No, but in England, yes.
* [14:20] Rob Linden: let's keep going down the list...
* [14:20] Melinda Latynina: proposes we all switch to pacific time
* [14:20] Thunderclap Morgridge: happy Guy fawkes day!
* [14:20] Rob Linden: SNOW-280
* [14:20] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-280: 
* [#SNOW-280] 1.2 test: sprint #1
* [14:21] Thunderclap Morgridge: rejects Melindas proposal
* [14:21] Rob Linden: I dropped everything that didn't get a separate issue filed into the comments there
* [14:21] Melinda Latynina: :-)
* [14:21] Thickbrick Sleaford: I was just about to comment there that the problems I found also repro on 1.23.5
* [14:21] Melinda Latynina: we need a good person/timeline visualization
* [14:22] Rob Linden: Thickbrick: ok....so not a regression at least
* [14:22] Thickbrick Sleaford: yup
* [14:22] Rob Linden: that's good to know. still worth a bug report when you/others get to it, but not a huge emergency
* [14:22] Thunderclap Morgridge: where is it posted
* [14:22] Thunderclap Morgridge: I didnt know about it
* [14:23] Rob Linden: anything else in the SNOW-280 comments worth talking about, or should we assume they're not showstoppers for 1.2?
* [14:24] Ardy Lay: SNOW-14 certainly isn't a show-stopper.
* [14:24] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-14: 
* [#SNOW-14] FullScreen makes: rendering very dark/black. Relog corrects problem.
* [14:24] Ardy Lay: That was refered to in the windowed-fullscreen test results.
* [14:25] Rob Linden: yeah, nice to get to one day, but not going to delay 1.2 for it
* [14:25] Ardy Lay: Toggling basic shaders clears it for now.
* [14:25] Rob Linden: Robin: would you consider yourself done for now on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-293 ?
* [14:25] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-293|JIRA-helper: [#SNOW-293]]: 
* [14:25] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: That also happens when enabling AA.
* [14:25] Kevin Oto: Hello all.
* [14:25] Kevin Oto: I just got here.
* [14:25] Thunderclap Morgridge: hello
* [14:26] Kevin Oto: What are we talking about?
* [14:26] Thunderclap Morgridge: snowglobe bugs
* [14:26] Kevin Oto: Oh
* [14:26] Kevin Oto: Okay.
* [14:26] Robin Cornelius: Kevin https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda
* [14:26] Kevin Oto: I wanted to ask somthing...
* [14:26] Rob Linden: we're on SNOW-293
* [14:26] Rob Linden: Kevin, can you wait until the end?
* [14:26] Kevin Oto: Yes.
* [14:26] Rob Linden: thanks
* [14:27] Rob Linden: anyway...Robin has a great start on a media test plan
* [14:27] Robin Cornelius: it would be complete with some well defined media to test
* [14:27] Rob Linden: I did ask Alexa about media testing parcels. we don't have any yet
* [14:27] Rob Linden: so we'd have to set something up here
* [14:28] Robin Cornelius: kk, something i could do
* [14:28] Ardy Lay: Torley has some on HERE.
* [14:28] Rob Linden: Ardy: yeah, that's a possibility
* [14:28] Robin Cornelius: at least for the moment, i really want a range of video types not just a single stream
* [14:28] Rob Linden: Ah Robin, good point
* [14:28] Thunderclap Morgridge: flv would be good to start
* [14:29] Robin Cornelius: i'll transcode a video to multiple formats and dump it on my server, i can then isolate a 16x16 parcel here and load a prim up with a script to change the source
* [14:29] Thickbrick Sleaford: BW, if you need a good source for mpeg4 or ogg video streams, blip.tv has most of their videos accessible as srouce format, so you can search for "mpeg4" for example
* [14:29] Ardy Lay: I used both the "Boy In Court" video on The Corn Field3 and the "Avatar" trailer I put on my own parcel.
* [14:29] Rob Linden: Robin: that'd be fantastic
* [14:29] Robin Cornelius: i'll use something i have copyright oo
* [14:29] Robin Cornelius: too
* [14:30] Rob Linden: yeah, rights cleared video is such a pain
* [14:30] Robin Cornelius: yea np, i've got a couple on youtube i filmed my self
* [14:30] Rob Linden: :)
* [14:30] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: There's always videos of things from the demoscene you can use too.
* [14:31] Robin Cornelius: 4.2 million views cannot be wrong ;-p
* [14:31] Wut Moorlord: :)
* [14:31] Thunderclap Morgridge: true
* [14:31] Robin Cornelius: anyway sorry rob i'm digressing a lot
* [14:32] Rob Linden: so, Linux media still seems dicey from what I'm gathering from you all
* [14:32] Rob Linden: Robin: no worries
* [14:32] Robin Cornelius: something is wrong in the gstreamer implementation
* [14:32] Robin Cornelius: it was kicking up errors but not crashing
* [14:32] Merov Linden: this is rather new code... not much mileage...
* [14:33] Rob Linden: is anyone having good luck with the LInux media implementation?
* [14:33] Robin Cornelius: webkit is fine
* [14:33] Robin Cornelius: even though i do it my own way and ignore all instructions provided too
* [14:33] Robin Cornelius: the webkit is running on 64 bit fine too
* [14:33] Rob Linden: yeah, the versions off of the build machine seem to run fine, too
* [14:33] Rob Linden: (for Webkit, that is)
* [14:34] Robin Cornelius: a lot more effort was placed in the webkit code
* [14:34] Robin Cornelius: and i kept poking it from very early on, so it never went off track too far i don't believe
* [14:34] Thickbrick Sleaford: It seems to work well for me - though I get the feeling gstreamer get a little lower framerate than 1.23.
* [14:34] Rob Linden: what do folks think about tempting fate with the SNOW-307 patch?
* [14:34] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-307: 
* [#SNOW-307] viewer builds: renames gstreamer plugin to quicktime.
* [14:34] JIRA-helper (left: hip): 
* [#SNOW-307] viewer builds: renames gstreamer plugin to quicktime.
* [14:35] Sebastean Steamweaver: coughs.
* [14:35] Sebastean Steamweaver: Sorry, detached :P
* [14:35] Merov Linden: +1 on 307
* [14:35] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Heh. xP
* [14:35] Merov Linden: I haven't tried the patch though...
* [14:35] Rob Linden: I'm not done testing it
* [14:36] Merov Linden: but anything seems better than renaming gstreamer
* [14:36] Robin Cornelius: yes that is bad
* [14:36] Pixel Gausman: agrees, and is sure apple would too
* [14:36] Rob Linden: yeah, I'm less than enthusiastic about that
* [14:36] Sebastean Steamweaver: I'm not sure where I'm coming in here, so, whenever there is an opening, I do have something to bring up.
* [14:36] Rob Linden: ok...I'll finish testing SNOW-307 and apply it if it all checks out
* [14:36] Robin Cornelius: should the xml scheme be modified to accept OS dependent or fallback plugins?
* [14:37] Rob Linden: Robin: not for 1.2, but maybe for 1.3
* [14:37] Robin Cornelius: aye, longer term
* [14:37] Merov Linden: you're right Robin
* [14:37] Robin Cornelius: for 1.2 the search replace on the xml is probably best
* [14:37] Merov Linden: and it shouldn't be in the localizable folder...
* [14:38] Rob Linden: yeah, that
* [14:38] Robin Cornelius: yes its app_settings/
* [14:38] Thickbrick Sleaford: I think each plugin should have its own plugin_name_mime_types.xml
* [14:38] Rob Linden: ok...let's move on here
* [14:38] Rob Linden: we talked about SNOW-338 already
* [14:38] Rob Linden: next up: SNOW-312
* [14:38] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-312: 
* [#SNOW-312] has boost: 1.34 packaged, but llmedia requires boost 1.39
* [14:39] Merov Linden: I attached a patch for that one
* [14:39] Techwolf Lupindo: returns
* [14:39] Merov Linden: just before the meeting
* [14:39] Techwolf Lupindo: Just in time I see.
* [14:39] Rob Linden: Sebastian: we'll take yours and Kevin's q's at the end
* [14:39] Merov Linden: Techwolf: could you try my patch?
* [14:39] Sebastean Steamweaver: Thank you Rob :)
* [14:39] Twisted Laws: yeah, i just ran into 312 compiling
* [14:40] Rob Linden: Techwolf may not be back yet
* [14:40] Rob Linden: oops...hi there
* [14:41] Rob Linden: while Techwolf is looking at the patch for SNOW-312, let's talk about SNOW-329
* [14:41] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-329: 
* [#SNOW-329] of error: case in llimage.cpp incorrect
* [14:41] Techwolf Lupindo: Merov, I was just doing that a while ago, did the simple patch you got. It built and ran fine, but I like to test with boost 1.34. Dohn't have time for that now. Jumping on a free meal and have to leave here on the top of the hour.
* [14:41] Merov Linden: it should work really: those includes are just useless...
* [14:42] Rob Linden: k....Twisted, does the patch look right to you?
* [14:42] Rob Linden: (on SNOW-312 that is)
* [14:42] Techwolf Lupindo: nods "I'll leave it to you sence it short on time to commit or not and I have to leave here for the day."
* [14:42] Techwolf Lupindo: relooks at the patch.
* [14:43] Merov Linden: okay... I think we can take a chance really...
* [14:43] Techwolf Lupindo: Oh...I did not test with those includes removed. My bad.
* [14:43] Rob Linden: Merov: yeah, it seems harmless given how you describe it
* [14:43] Merov Linden: I'll know fast enough running the build on parabuild
* [14:43] Rob Linden: yup
* [14:43] Rob Linden: let's move on
* [14:43] Rob Linden: SNOW-329
* [14:44] Rob Linden: Merov, Soft, Tofu and I discussed that one earlier
* [14:44] Merov Linden: that's something I fixed looong time ago on the mapserver
* [14:44] Rob Linden: tested in production already
* [14:44] Merov Linden: failed to push it to other branches
* [14:44] Rob Linden: seems pretty safe to commit unless there's objections here
* [14:45] Thickbrick Sleaford: Merov: it causes an image to be marked as missing asset if the decode fails?
* [14:45] Twisted Laws: i'm still getting link errors atm... looking at why... i did do a develop.py clean and restarted.. but i'm getting errors on llui using a different boost (34 vs 39)
* [14:46] Merov Linden: Thickbrick: It doesn't change that logic, just makes sure the error case is correctly tested
* [14:46] Merov Linden: looks at that patch again...
* [14:46] Twisted Laws: i'm getting this ... 2>llui.lib(lluitrans.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual void __thiscall LLNotificationChannelBase::connectChanged(class boost::slot<class boost::function<bool __cdecl(class LLSD const &),class std::allocator<void> > > const &)" (?connectChanged@LLNotificationChannelBase@@UAEXABV?$slot@V?$function@$$A6A_NABVLLSD@@@ZV?$allocator@X@std@@@boost@@@boost@@@Z)
* [14:46] Twisted Laws: and this ... 2>libboost_signals-vc80-mt-1_34_1.lib(named_slot_map.obj) : error LNK2005: "public: void __thiscall boost::signals::detail::named_slot_map::clear(void)" (?clear@named_slot_map@detail@signals@boost@@QAEXXZ) already defined in libboost_signals-vc80-mt-1_39.lib(named_slot_map.obj)
* [14:47] Robin Cornelius: looks like somehow you are getting both boosts there
* [14:47] Rob Linden: yeah
* [14:47] Twisted Laws: those are just 1 each of the 2 sets of errors ( 31 all together)
* [14:48] Robin Cornelius: you did update the boost header files as well?
* [14:48] Twisted Laws: i just did an svn update...
* [14:48] Twisted Laws: then ran clean and restarted
* [14:49] Rob Linden: standalone Windows build?
* [14:49] Twisted Laws: compiled and ran yesterday :p
* [14:49] Twisted Laws: yes, Rob
* [14:49] Twisted Laws: release build tho..
* [14:49] Merov Linden: you should be using the boost 1.39 then according to install.xml
* [14:49] Robin Cornelius: does develop.py kill the build folder?
* [14:50] Robin Cornelius: *develop.py clean
* [14:50] Twisted Laws: yes, when i did the clean
* [14:50] Merov Linden: what about the librairies?
* [14:50] Rob Linden: there's gotta be some residual boost stuff hanging around. maybe something in the lib subdir
* [14:50] Rob Linden: (boost 1.34 that is)
* [14:51] Twisted Laws: yes, i'm looking ... i did refetch the libraries
* [14:51] Merov Linden: I clean up the libraries "by hand"
* [14:51] Rob Linden: anyway...we should probably move on so we get through the list of stuff
* [14:51] Robin Cornelius: boost uses autolink pramgas on windows so you can get two versions that way
* [14:51] Twisted Laws: i'll find it later :p
* [14:52] Rob Linden: SNOW-329 - Merov's going to check that assuming there's no new info turned up here
* [14:52] Merov Linden: oki
* [14:52] Rob Linden: wasn't sure if Thickbrick and Merov got done with the conversation about that
* [14:52] Rob Linden: in the meantime, SNOW-333
* [14:52] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-333: 
* [#SNOW-333] for standalone: build with webkit.
* [14:53] Thickbrick Sleaford: I was looking at it, but don't know that part of the code enough to give an opinion
* [14:53] Rob Linden: looks like Techwolf is planning to rework that based on the comments there
* [14:53] Thickbrick Sleaford: (re the llimage.cpp patch)
* [14:53] Robin Cornelius: yea, my changes also effect non standalone cases but hopefully are valid
* [14:54] Rob Linden: ok...well, we may need to hold off until 1.3 for those. Are Techwolf's changes reasonable enough for 1.2?
* [14:54] Rob Linden: ...or will they make life harder for you all?
* [14:55] Robin Cornelius: The changes only effect standalone builds, they are not stoppers for pushing a binary out the door
* [14:55] Rob Linden: k....we'll hold off then
* [14:55] Techwolf Lupindo: returns,
* [14:56] Techwolf Lupindo: re:snow-312, just did a build wiht the patch form merov, it works ok.
* [14:56] Rob Linden: Techwolf: thanks!
* [14:56] Merov Linden: great!
* [14:56] Rob Linden: rolling with that then
* [14:56] Techwolf Lupindo: re:snow-333, i've found some new info and will be redoing that without the qt4 stuff if I can get it to work.
* [14:56] Rob Linden: k...that sounds good
* [14:57] Rob Linden: we don't yet have a bug filed for it, but the Linux release builds are triple the size because they aren't getting stripped right
* [14:57] Techwolf Lupindo: I did not know that an RC was so close. I think I use 1.2 without relising an RC was so close. I was not my intention to fastract any patches of mine.
* [14:57] Rob Linden: I'm going to make a quick attempt to fix the bug
* [14:57] Techwolf Lupindo: fast track that is.
* [14:57] Rob Linden: ...but possibly need to revert Techwolf's patch for SNOW-237(?)
* [14:57] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-237: 
* [#SNOW-237] building snowglobe: using -t Debug no debug symbols are retained so unable to debug crashes properly
* [14:58] Rob Linden: anyway...we're running out of time
* [14:58] Techwolf Lupindo: snow-237 is a good fix, the bug is in the build system.
* [14:58] Rob Linden: looks like we lost one of the folks who wanted to ask a question
* [14:58] Thickbrick Sleaford: I thought the big downlaod was intentional...
* [14:59] Rob Linden: Sebastean is still around though
* [14:59] Sebastean Steamweaver: Thanks rob ;)
* [14:59] Techwolf Lupindo: Right off paw....there is relised, debug, and relisewithdebug..I think with looking and doublechecking.
* [14:59] Rob Linden: Sebastean: what did you want to bring up?
* [14:59] Sebastean Steamweaver: May I go ahead and bring up my topic?
* [14:59] Sebastean Steamweaver: *copy pastes*
* [14:59] Sebastean Steamweaver: What I'd like to talk about is VWR-8759 - This JIRA has been in existence for over a year. The script function works just fine, and a patch has been attached to the JIRA for ages. Now, Emerald has already implemented this feature. I spoke to the emerald dev responsible for it, and he said it took him less than two hours to do. I brought this up at Nyx's meeting, and he suggested we get it into Snowglobe. I'd like to bring this up, and see if any of the snowglobe devs here would be able to work on it. It's an extremely useful feature, and one that's only waiting for client-side support, according to Qarl in the JIRA, and evidenced by its good use in Emerald.
* [14:59] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8759: 
* [#VWR-8759] in client: Non-Functional - Functionality Patch Attached
* [15:00] Sebastean Steamweaver: Sorry for the wall of text :P I figured pasting it all at once was faster than spreading it out.
* [15:00] Thunderclap Morgridge: :D
* [15:00] Rob Linden: there's a lot to digest in that issue
* [15:00] Merov Linden: Nyx pingeg us on IRC yes
* [15:01] Rob Linden: did the original author of that patch contribute it, or did someone else submit it on their behalf?
* [15:02] Techwolf Lupindo: If snow-237 gets reverted, I like to discuss with the person of the build system. Perhaps there may be a better way to do and still suppport a proper -t Debug.
* [15:02] Techwolf Lupindo: I have to go now. See you all later.
* [15:02] Sebastean Steamweaver: The original author contributed it, and left a note in the JIRA
* [15:02] Rob Linden: ok...that's good
* [15:02] Rob Linden: well, I think you can consider it flagged for us to look at
* [15:02] Sebastean Steamweaver: Thanks Rob :)
* [15:02] Rob Linden: would you mind sending a note to the sldev@ mailing list, and we can take it up there?
* [15:03] Sebastean Steamweaver: Actually Nyx did after his office hours the other day
* [15:03] Thickbrick Sleaford: I wonder if it would take a lot of work to make it work with the nre notification framework/thing
* [15:03] Rob Linden: ah...I knew I was having deja vu with this
* [15:03] Rob Linden: sorry
* [15:03] Thickbrick Sleaford: s/nre/new/
* [15:04] Sebastean Steamweaver: For such a useful feathre, for the apparently small time it takes to implement, it just doesn't seem quite right that it's been waiting around for over a year.
* [15:04] Rob Linden: we're pretty heads down on Snowglobe 1.2 at the moment, so it might get glossed over until that's out
* [15:04] Sebastean Steamweaver: Ah, Nyx's suggestion was to have it implemented in snowglobe
* [15:04] Rob Linden: so, you may want to make sure to reraise it after we get 1.2 out (probably next week)
* [15:04] Sebastean Steamweaver: I'll try to do that :)
* [15:04] Rob Linden: thanks!@
* [15:04] Rob Linden: okee doke. we're running over now
* [15:05] Rob Linden: anything urgent to bring up before we scatter?
* [15:05] Sebastean Steamweaver: Thank you for the time Rob, I appreciate it :)
* [15:05] Pixel Gausman: cool. the 1.2 issue list is pretty small.
* [15:05] Wut Moorlord: thanks Rob!
* [15:05] Rob Linden: (going once...)
* [15:05] Rob Linden: twice...
* [15:05] Wut Moorlord: hehe
* [15:05] Rob Linden: ok...thanks all!
* [15:05] Pixel Gausman: laters
* [15:05] Twisted Laws: thanks... cya laters
* [15:05] Thunderclap Morgridge: thanks!
* [15:06] Thickbrick Sleaford: see you people
* [15:06] Aimee Trescothick: bye :)
* [15:06] Merov Linden: bye all!
* [15:06] Merov Linden: hope to have 1.2 out next week...
* [15:06] Ardy Lay: Thanks Merov!
* [15:07] Ardy Lay: Transcipt closed.