116546-i-feel-robbed

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While megaserver is a step in the right direction, by itself it breeds little confidence in keeping me logged in.  I am sure many people are in the same boat as me, while I jumped ship several months ago and am letting my account slowly die a horrible CREDD depletion death, I know alot of people are on the rails thinking about hopping over to the sweet sweet lawn on the other side.
 
What people want is a game they can stand behind and not feel like an idiot for sinking time and money into.  People like me who put in long term investments (annual/6month subs) into Wildstar are probably feeling robbed.  And you know what, they should considering how much content was cut back in the name of bad QA.  People subbed thinking that they were gonna get monthly content, that there was going to be constantly something to do everytime they logged in and they would be on the edge of their seat waiting for the next monthly plot installment/pvp update/raid/etc.
 
Well, now we know that's not going to happen.  Based on the same subtime that we payed in advance for what we thought was going to be alot of content, well now its like 1/3rd that.  If ordered a 12 slice pizza from pizza hut, then opened the box and found 3 slices... well I'd be pretty pissed.
 
 
So congratulations.  You say your trying to get players back, well your most loyal investors that gave you the most money up front not only don't want to come back; now they hate you.
 
The Megasever change?  The population was so small and the game is so close to critical vacancy that there aren't even enough players to fill one server.  Megaserver was literally dataporting everyone on to one box and unplugging the rest of the warehouse.
 
What people want is a game they can log into and know it has the solidarity to be here next year.  They want to know that the game will be getting massive expansions, there are constantly new players and stability, and they don't have to wait 2-3 hours in a queue just to do the most basic of content everytime they log in (I mean come on, we all work).
 
The days of vanilla wow?  Those are all over.  40 man raids are dead, attunement is dead, the glory days of raiding are now replaced by instant satisfaction games that deliver activities within the first moment you log in (LoL, Destiny, Guildwars2, etc.).  People already worked enough so if you want to put work in your game, you need to do better at disguising it as fun.  I mean, Wildstar literally throws a laundry list of mundane and boring attuement chores at you at Eldergame without even trying to disguise it as plot or make you feel that the world is going to implode if you don't take out the trash.  I mean you literally feel like you are pulling hefty bag out of your kitchen and walking it into the dumpster when you go through those attunement steps.  Sooner or later the aveage person is going to just go, well F--- this.  I know I did.  Most people play for fun, and when there is an abnormal balance of fun/work, its easy to just unsub and walk away since there are so many other toys in the playground.
 
Wildstar just shows you just can ignore all of the lessons learned from other games and rewind the clock thinking the 1970s would come back and everyone one would be cool with wearing bellbottoms and riding Delorians again.
 
 
Six months hits, I imagine all the 6 month subbers will drop off and never come back.  12 month hits, another drop -unless these players are somehow appeased through some really good get well plan for this game.
 
You all really have to A Realm Reborn this s--t pronto.  Come out, admit you screwed up hard, compensate players, and throw up a massive action plan for serious fixes.  Shifting your whole schedule to the right for subbing players and forcing them paying for absolutely nothing while you deal with your own internal issues is not a solution.  Pull the plug on this project now before it does any more damage to itself, offer players with active sub time incentives to play other NCSoft games (such as gems for gw2, aion credits, etc.)  while you redevelop this game and give it the polish/features it needs to survive in a modern market, then re-release it with perks for players who previously bought the old game.
 
Better do something fast, the WoD executioner is coming and he's bringing a really big axe.  At the rate things are going, I might not even shed a tear when the head hits the tincan.
 	
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ey, no plug pulling!! Even if they do make many bad decisions and mistakes, i am still enjoying this game and happy to pay my monthly sub!
 
The raiding is still far better than any other game out there imo, and I have the patience for carbine to fix all the rest of the shit.
 
You are talking way too much for everyone else, its cool to have and give your own opinion, but dont package it like its shared among everyone else.	
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			It has been explained several times that you aren't getting 1/3 the content for the new Quarterly Drop system. They are piling the good parts of the drops along with associated bug fixes into 1 drop at a time. For example the New Drop 3 will have both the Defile (originally Drop 3) and OMNIcore-1 (originally Drop 4). 	
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You are talking way too much for everyone else, its cool to have and give your own opinion, but dont package it like its shared among everyone else.
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Yeah, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't put words in this customer's mouth.
It's true, the game's got problems. Kind of a lot of them...but I personally really enjoy this game despite that. They -are- trying to fix them. The players are jumping in to do what they can to keep the game exciting in the mean time! Thaydfest, that PvP event Warhound had...I'm sure there will be more in the future. That alone shows that a large amount of players, whether Paying Sub or on CREDD, are willing to do what they have to to keep this game going.
 
As for the WoD Executioner's Axe....thank you, I enjoyed the laugh. I, along with my old WoW friends and guild, recently logged back onto "the" game....we just can't do it. WoW is losing it, and whether or not any game is a "WoW Killer" I don't think a new expac is the death sentence it used to be.
 
I'm sure there will still be bugs as more content comes, and yeah, maybe they won't always fix it the right way...but this game is what brought back the fun into online gaming for me. Something WoW, Rift, SWTOR, ESO, and numerous F2P/Subbed F2Ps couldn't do. To add to what someone else said, I've spent money on the Box Price, the sub, the upgrade to Deluxe Version, several Name Changes, a Server Change, and quite a bit of CREDD. I don't feel robbed at all.
 
I hope you have fun in whatever game you jump ship to, but I feel like this is the game for me and I really hope they don't "pull the plug".	
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it's definatly less content ( holidays event are cancelled)... or the content is friggin slow to begin with... the current drop 3 include : arena rating fix ( change 1 formula), add rune slot / change reroll rune slot ( asked in beta), class balance ( an evergoing process in MMOs), defile ( for all we know, one more daily zone like blighthaven), omni-core ( a SOLO instance?)
 
However, I don't think it's the lack of effort on the dev part... looking at how the server transfer- megaserver issue was handled, it's management, not developping	
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it's definatly less content ( holidays event are cancelled)... or the content is friggin slow to begin with... the current drop 3 include : arena rating fix ( change 1 formula), add rune slot / change reroll rune slot ( asked in beta), class balance ( an evergoing process in MMOs), defile ( for all we know, one more daily zone like blighthaven), omni-core ( a SOLO instance?)
 
However, I don't think it's the lack of effort on the dev part... looking at how the server transfer- megaserver issue was handled, it's management, not developping
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			We're also getting housing UI upgrades, housing music, trim unlocking, crate limit increases, decor and lighting increases, and a lot of polish. I would agree that polish isn't content though.	
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While megaserver is a step in the right direction, by itself it breeds little confidence in keeping me logged in.  I am sure many people are in the same boat as me, while I jumped ship several months ago and am letting my account slowly die a horrible CREDD depletion death, I know alot of people are on the rails thinking about hopping over to the sweet sweet lawn on the other side.
 
What people want is a game they can stand behind and not feel like an idiot for sinking time and money into.  People like me who put in long term investments (annual/6month subs) into Wildstar are probably feeling robbed.  And you know what, they should considering how much content was cut back in the name of bad QA.  People subbed thinking that they were gonna get monthly content, that there was going to be constantly something to do everytime they logged in and they would be on the edge of their seat waiting for the next monthly plot installment/pvp update/raid/etc.
 
Well, now we know that's not going to happen.  Based on the same subtime that we payed in advance for what we thought was going to be alot of content, well now its like 1/3rd that.  If ordered a 12 slice pizza from pizza hut, then opened the box and found 3 slices... well I'd be pretty pissed.
 
 
So congratulations.  You say your trying to get players back, well your most loyal investors that gave you the most money up front not only don't want to come back; now they hate you.
 
The Megasever change?  The population was so small and the game is so close to critical vacancy that there aren't even enough players to fill one server.  Megaserver was literally dataporting everyone on to one box and unplugging the rest of the warehouse.
 
What people want is a game they can log into and know it has the solidarity to be here next year.  They want to know that the game will be getting massive expansions, there are constantly new players and stability, and they don't have to wait 2-3 hours in a queue just to do the most basic of content everytime they log in (I mean come on, we all work).
 
The days of vanilla wow?  Those are all over.  40 man raids are dead, attunement is dead, the glory days of raiding are now replaced by instant satisfaction games that deliver activities within the first moment you log in (LoL, Destiny, Guildwars2, etc.).  People already worked enough so if you want to put work in your game, you need to do better at disguising it as fun.  I mean, Wildstar literally throws a laundry list of mundane and boring attuement chores at you at Eldergame without even trying to disguise it as plot or make you feel that the world is going to implode if you don't take out the trash.  I mean you literally feel like you are pulling hefty bag out of your kitchen and walking it into the dumpster when you go through those attunement steps.  Sooner or later the aveage person is going to just go, well F--- this.  I know I did.  Most people play for fun, and when there is an abnormal balance of fun/work, its easy to just unsub and walk away since there are so many other toys in the playground.
 
Wildstar just shows you just can ignore all of the lessons learned from other games and rewind the clock thinking the 1970s would come back and everyone one would be cool with wearing bellbottoms and riding Delorians again.
 
 
Six months hits, I imagine all the 6 month subbers will drop off and never come back.  12 month hits, another drop -unless these players are somehow appeased through some really good get well plan for this game.
 
You all really have to A Realm Reborn this s--t pronto.  Come out, admit you screwed up hard, compensate players, and throw up a massive action plan for serious fixes.  Shifting your whole schedule to the right for subbing players and forcing them paying for absolutely nothing while you deal with your own internal issues is not a solution.  Pull the plug on this project now before it does any more damage to itself, offer players with active sub time incentives to play other NCSoft games (such as gems for gw2, aion credits, etc.)  while you redevelop this game and give it the polish/features it needs to survive in a modern market, then re-release it with perks for players who previously bought the old game.
 
Better do something fast, the WoD executioner is coming and he's bringing a really big axe.  At the rate things are going, I might not even shed a tear when the head hits the tincan.
 
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			Keep it Civil folks :)I agree a big misconception is we are getting 1/3 the content promissed. Not true, i made a thread explaining we are actually getting 2/3 the content promised, plus lot of QOL changes.And going into the future once the issues are sorted out i would be suprised if we get the same content promised, just released in large 3 month drops.Ie: 3 drops of content every 3 months. At the end of the day, having 3 months to test 3 drops simultaneously works much better for everyone, than 1 month for one months content. There are bound to be issues with that approach, and we have already seen alot of them :P	
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			Dungeons and PvP queue's haven't improved at all, I expected it not to to be honest. Drop 3 either makes or breaks the game.	
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Dungeons and PvP queue's haven't improved at all, I expected it not to to be honest. Drop 3 either makes or breaks the game.
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			I feel robbed trying to read this OP, robbed of IQ points. Two crucial flaws in your argument:1) we already know Drops are going to be merged or combined into larger Drops less often. Not less content, just less frequency.2) there are 4 quarters in a year, not 3	
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Agreed to everything but pulling the plug OP.
 
Drop 3 more or less is the rerelease that people are waiting on. Carbine is taking a risk by taking so long on something that should have never been.
 
I have 4 50s, all decked and on the leaderboards. I'd love to see the game flourish, as I've spent a lot of time on it.
 
However, the realist in me knows that Wildstar was more hype than quality. They've made sooo maaanny stupid and dumb decisions in design, while also putting out terribly tested patches that take away from the game.
 
I'm riding the CREDD train myself, because this game is virtually done for when WoD comes out... The next big MMO that has the words PvP in it, (and doesn't *cupcake* it up as bad as wildstar did if that's even possible) will seal the fate of wildstars PvP scene, and probably the raiding scene, too.	
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I feel robbed trying to read this OP, robbed of IQ points. Two crucial flaws in your argument:
 
1) we already know Drops are going to be merged or combined into larger Drops less often. Not less content, just less frequency.
 
2) there are 4 quarters in a year, not 3
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Personally, I paid for an annual sub and I don't feel robbed at all.
 
Between the lore, art style/character design, and combat, I have had a ton of fun with the game and will definitely be in it for the long haul. :)	
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OP,
Learn the meaning of "literally".
Do not presume to know what other people think.
If you are not happy, quit.  Please don't rant.	
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 Based on the same subtime that we payed in advance for what we thought was going to be alot of content, well now its like 1/3rd that.  If ordered a 12 slice pizza from pizza hut, then opened the box and found 3 slices... well I'd be pretty pissed.
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			I actually am doing a 360 and walking away from WoW and coming to Wildstar before WoD hits, I am so fed up of the community in WoW, I've put up with their sh!t for almost 10 years and it's so boring and rinse/repeat with each Ex-pac, the pre-patch didn't impress me at all, to me they've made them look more "Wildstar" in terms of character design. I'm trying to say, I like it here, I completely prefer it and for one will not be going anywhere, I've uninstalled WoW and set my self up nicely in Wildstar now, even though I'm yet to find a guild that'll have me I'm still looking forward to the future of the game. Oh... and by the way, why do people keep mentioning Destiny as a comparison? It's nothing like an MMO, I know, I've got it and it's freakin' terrible. 	
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I actually am doing a 360 and walking away from WoW and coming to Wildstar before WoD hits, I am so fed up of the community in WoW, I've put up with their sh!t for almost 10 years and it's so boring and rinse/repeat with each Ex-pac, the pre-patch didn't impress me at all, to me they've made them look more "Wildstar" in terms of character design. I'm trying to say, I like it here, I completely prefer it and for one will not be going anywhere, I've uninstalled WoW and set my self up nicely in Wildstar now, even though I'm yet to find a guild that'll have me I'm still looking forward to the future of the game. Oh... and by the way, why do people keep mentioning Destiny as a comparison? It's nothing like an MMO, I know, I've got it and it's freakin' terrible. 
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WoW has an established fan base and is the easiest of all MMOs for newbies to get into the MMO community. The game practically plays itself. WildStar was meant to attract a different customer base and it indeed did. Cut Carbine some slack, they have publicly admitted their faults and are trying to fix them which is more than I can say for most developers out there.
 
Also, Destiny... Linear game is linear. It's Halo (let's be real here) with 1% of Borderlands' weapon drops.
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I don't see WoD doing as much damage to Wildstar as some might think.  The latest patch has alot of people ticked off with the new appearance of thier characters.  Some look really well done, but others look rushed.  Add to that the change in the number of abilies you have with the abilities pruning and you can just get a sense that some are just going to call it quits.  Of course some of the changes are warrented, but change anything in a long running game and you can expect some to jump ship.
 
There will be the surge in subs as WoD comes out but I have a feeling that won't last as long as it has in the past.	
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ITT: guy makes a well formatted post with pictures to help convey his thoughts on this game
 
Fanboys come and ignore all of the valid points and bring up things like, "its still better than WoW" and "don't worry, they're fixing the issues in drop x"	
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ITT: guy makes a well formatted post with pictures to help convey his thoughts on this game
 
Fanboys come and ignore all of the valid points and bring up things like, "its still better than WoW" and "don't worry, they're fixing the issues in drop x"
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			I don't feel robbed. I'm enjoying the game exactly as it is and would continue to enjoy it. I am looking forward to the upcoming rune changes and the itemization changes.I would say that drop 4 is the drop the game will really come into its own with the itemization changes and (hopefully) a training dungeon.	
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When is it disagreement with the OP and when is it 'fanboy' responses? What if someone were to agree with part and disagree with the rest.
 
Yeah, I just blew your mind! < Boom!>
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I don't see WoD doing as much damage to Wildstar as some might think.  The latest patch has alot of people ticked off with the new appearance of thier characters.  Some look really well done, but others look rushed.  Add to that the change in the number of abilies you have with the abilities pruning and you can just get a sense that some are just going to call it quits.  Of course some of the changes are warrented, but change anything in a long running game and you can expect some to jump ship.
 
There will be the surge in subs as WoD comes out but I have a feeling that won't last as long as it has in the past.
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			i feel robbed cause some over zealous mod keeps deleting my posts	
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Fanboys come and ignore all of the valid points and bring up things like, "its still better than WoW" and "don't worry, they're fixing the issues in drop x"
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Hi anarchists I know you're new to the forums, but if you go through my extensive post history, you'll find constructive solutions and attempt to open dialogue. You'll find that many of my posts have preempted issues that people have encountered.
 
Let me put it to you this way. If you don't raise a stink now and then, no one listens to you.
 
Do you really feel that dialogue between Die hard fans and people with blinders on is going to improve this game the way it needs to be improved.
 
We've warned them about numerous issues, they've implemented them, and now the pvp scene is non existent. 
 
You are new to this place, and your opinions are a breath of fresh air and valued, but I think you'll find that I've been working very hard to contribute and say things when and how they've needed to be said. I'm not an idiot, I'm just batman and kind of mean sometimes.	
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Hi anarchists I know you're new to the forums, but if you go through my extensive post history, you'll find constructive solutions and attempt to open dialogue. You'll find that many of my posts have preempted issues that people have encountered.
 
Let me put it to you this way. If you don't raise a stink now and then, no one listens to you.
 
Do you really feel that dialogue between Die hard fans and people with blinders on is going to improve this game the way it needs to be improved.
 
We've warned them about numerous issues, they've implemented them, and now the pvp scene is non existent.
 
You are new to this place, and your opinions are a breath of fresh air and valued, but I think you'll find that I've been working very hard to contribute and say things when and how they've needed to be said. I'm not an idiot, I'm just batman and kind of mean sometimes.
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I'm very fortunate to have found some partners that are both very talented and that I get along with very well. The wait til drop 3 is very taxing to us as well.
 
Between the 3 of us, we have every class (and each of us have multiples) on the leaderboards ranked well above 1800. We have put in the effort to have fun and help find balance and are poised to give the best advice we can for the PvP side of things.
 
I try my best to make sure each post here is constructive, and only post very negative things when I think it is necessary and very much needs to be talked about.
 
I will post dissent when people brigade down others for having different opinions. Consider this: 90% of the people that post on the forums do so because they love the game and want to continue to do so. Some people are still having a great time. Others are being pushed to frustration as their friends leave / the game let's them down. You have to take all opinions in consideration.
 
If this game was gaining people rapidly, wed probably all be talking about how good it is. Its not, people are leaving / have left, and changes are what we need to talk about.
 
I feel let down by Carbine. Others do too. They promised a lot more than they delivered. If they were just some come up studio with high aspirations and were doing their best things would be different.
 
But they're not, they sold us hype and didn't deliver. Now we have to talk about what needs to be changed to entice more players.	
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Well at least it wans't as bad as buying the katana cut pizza from pizza hut I was expecting the driver to throw it up in the air and cut it with a katana... supposedly a katana cut is just a pizza cut in 4 slices.
 
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Heres the thing you say WOD will kill it?
 
Lol please.
 
People will play WOD for like a week, hit the new cap do the new content and be out of shit to do the next week.... then have to wait a year to a year and a half for the next months worth of content to blow through.  Those players will always go back to WoW for new content.  Then they will get bored because they have played it for a decade and have nothing to do and were semi bored with WoW in general to begin with.  They will then go back to whatever game they took a break from originally.
 
Also.... stop comparing a game that has had 15+ years to polish and appeal to most groups.  Wildstar launch vs WoW launch... the clear winner is Wildstar.  Even after WoW being out for two years it still sucked worse than wildstar ever did.
 
Also you don't speak for everyone.  My 300+ guild has on average 40 online at once and guess what everyone loves playing and logging in every day.  So if you hate the game and feel robbed well cut your losses and dont let the door hit you on the way out.
 
But don't come on the forums and increase the negativity with over blown examples of how they failed.	
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			Way to not read any of the rest of the thread pal.	
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			After seeing the changes to WoW and what wod has to offer it does not on it's own threaten any mmo.  If anything, WoW is slowly commiting suicide.	
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While megaserver is a step in the right direction, by itself it breeds little confidence in keeping me logged in.  I am sure many people are in the same boat as me, while I jumped ship several months ago and am letting my account slowly die a horrible CREDD depletion death, I know alot of people are on the rails thinking about hopping over to the sweet sweet lawn on the other side.
 
What people want is a game they can stand behind and not feel like an idiot for sinking time and money into.  People like me who put in long term investments (annual/6month subs) into Wildstar are probably feeling robbed.  And you know what, they should considering how much content was cut back in the name of bad QA.  People subbed thinking that they were gonna get monthly content, that there was going to be constantly something to do everytime they logged in and they would be on the edge of their seat waiting for the next monthly plot installment/pvp update/raid/etc.
 
Well, now we know that's not going to happen.  Based on the same subtime that we payed in advance for what we thought was going to be alot of content, well now its like 1/3rd that.  If ordered a 12 slice pizza from pizza hut, then opened the box and found 3 slices... well I'd be pretty pissed.
 
 
So congratulations.  You say your trying to get players back, well your most loyal investors that gave you the most money up front not only don't want to come back; now they hate you.
 
The Megasever change?  The population was so small and the game is so close to critical vacancy that there aren't even enough players to fill one server.  Megaserver was literally dataporting everyone on to one box and unplugging the rest of the warehouse.
 
What people want is a game they can log into and know it has the solidarity to be here next year.  They want to know that the game will be getting massive expansions, there are constantly new players and stability, and they don't have to wait 2-3 hours in a queue just to do the most basic of content everytime they log in (I mean come on, we all work).
 
The days of vanilla wow?  Those are all over.  40 man raids are dead, attunement is dead, the glory days of raiding are now replaced by instant satisfaction games that deliver activities within the first moment you log in (LoL, Destiny, Guildwars2, etc.).  People already worked enough so if you want to put work in your game, you need to do better at disguising it as fun.  I mean, Wildstar literally throws a laundry list of mundane and boring attuement chores at you at Eldergame without even trying to disguise it as plot or make you feel that the world is going to implode if you don't take out the trash.  I mean you literally feel like you are pulling hefty bag out of your kitchen and walking it into the dumpster when you go through those attunement steps.  Sooner or later the aveage person is going to just go, well F--- this.  I know I did.  Most people play for fun, and when there is an abnormal balance of fun/work, its easy to just unsub and walk away since there are so many other toys in the playground.
 
Wildstar just shows you just can ignore all of the lessons learned from other games and rewind the clock thinking the 1970s would come back and everyone one would be cool with wearing bellbottoms and riding Delorians again.
 
 
Six months hits, I imagine all the 6 month subbers will drop off and never come back.  12 month hits, another drop -unless these players are somehow appeased through some really good get well plan for this game.
 
You all really have to A Realm Reborn this s--t pronto.  Come out, admit you screwed up hard, compensate players, and throw up a massive action plan for serious fixes.  Shifting your whole schedule to the right for subbing players and forcing them paying for absolutely nothing while you deal with your own internal issues is not a solution.  Pull the plug on this project now before it does any more damage to itself, offer players with active sub time incentives to play other NCSoft games (such as gems for gw2, aion credits, etc.)  while you redevelop this game and give it the polish/features it needs to survive in a modern market, then re-release it with perks for players who previously bought the old game.
 
Better do something fast, the WoD executioner is coming and he's bringing a really big axe.  At the rate things are going, I might not even shed a tear when the head hits the tincan.
 
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			I dont see the problem, I pay my subscription.	
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I'm going to go ahead and throw my opinion in the "not ripped off" camp.  I understand that you feel there are problems with the game, and there certainly are, but in my eyes the big ones are limited to bad itemization, and PVP woes.
 
I certainly agree that the PVP game is hurting, the PVP servers are hurting, and warplots don't happen (for multiple reasons I'm sure I'm not aware of).
 
All that being said, stop trying to paint your opinion as the opinion of the masses. 
 
Next, the fact that you compare Wildstar to FF14 v1.0 is just absurd beyond belief.  FF14 v1.0 was as close to a literal train wreck as you can get without involving a train.  There was no content to speak of, it was essentially a tech demo where people could play with dolls in a sand box with no PVP.
 
Wildstar doesn't need to be "a realm reborned".  It's a very well produced new IP that was more feature rich at launch than any MMO in a decade, but more importantly it is fun and satisfying to play moment to moment.  You say the game lacks quality, but I don't think you know what that word means.  Your pizza analogy is also awful:  You're still getting the complete pizza, you're just getting it later.  By the time drop 3 hits we'll have gotten 4 drops worth of content, which is still pretty much on par with their original monthly goal.
 
The instant gratification crowd is everything that is wrong with today's MMO space.	
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			I noticed that people that used to play WoW have a lot of trouble in this game.	
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I noticed that people that used to play WoW have a lot of trouble in this game.
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I noticed that people that used to play WoW have a lot of trouble in this game.
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I'm an annual subscriber and i'm 100% satisfied with this product.
 
(Personal opinions for personal opinions, i've opted to keep it short).
 
Also, this pizza looks much tastier:
 	
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Um, yeah... I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with that "pulling the plug" thing, mkay?
 
Sorry OP, but I can't agree with you on that one, and I'm just going to throw out there that you don't really speak for the rest of us.  I'm actually finding the game to be quite enjoyable, and I don't think of the game as food.  I think of this MMO more like an MMO, and my past experience tells me that MMOs have a nasty habit of being "unfinished" when they launch (and I play them anyway).  Wildstar, despite its shortcomings, still offers a fairly robust set of features and most notably its combat system is not something commonly found in the MMO arena, with only a handful of them offering something "similar".
 
MMOs, subscription MMOs in particular, are evolving products and tend to change drastically over the years.  I would love to hear the flak that Blizzard would get if they re-released the Vanilla WoW of 2004 here in 2014 in today's market, oh the trolling would be epic!  Come on back some other time and check things out after a few patches, I'm sure you'll see what I mean.
 
Either you've got the patience to wait for the changes and improvements to the game, or you don't, but screaming "pull the plug, I don't like it" isn't speaking for everyone, dude.	
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Chua noticed Humans like to hyperbole and generalize a lot.
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Stereotypes are based on common traits shared by a group of people.  Of course they are exceptions, there are obviously some people who played WoW who are good at Wildstar.  But I noticed a lot of WoW people have issues with coordination.  I never played it so I have no idea what combat entails and how it differs.  But even you can admit there are some people that come from WoW who are delusional.  Example, the first guild I joined has a self proclaimed raid leader who apparently cleared some hard raid content on WoW but couldn't complete STL and his skills from WoW did not translate into Wildstar.  
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The instant gratification crowd is everything that is wrong with today's MMO space.
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I'd hazard a guess that a lot of the players enjoying this game played WoW. Considering the genre, it's to be expected.
 
I'm not struggling with the game and did a bunch of light raiding back in the day.	
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Have you even read the patch notes for Drop 3? So many new bug fixes and content... I know for a fact it's going to bring back a lot of players, and attract new ones as well.
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The loss of holidays had nothing to do with the new Quartlery schedule they are adhering to. It was explained by Donatelli on 30 Sep that they cancelled holiday events because they didn't want to break anything else before stuff gets fixed. Many applauded them for this, while others, like yourself, apparently think it was the wrong decision. Nonetheless, it was a decision made to prevent further failure. 
 
It is quite unfortunate that you never got onto the PTR to try out the Defile area and the OMNIcore-1 instance because for all I know, I have tested them both out. Both are truly incredible and the new daily scheme will be a nice break from the grind. Drop 3 is over 100 pages long, so if that's all you pulled out of the patch notes then I truly feel sorry for you. 
 
Say what you want about management, but they have gotten their act together in the past few months and are headed into competition-killer-mode. 
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			I don't have anything meaningful to add. Just wanted to say I would rock a DeLorean. I mean, who wouldn't want to ride in one? Especially the one pictured!	
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