136580-dye-usage-fees-jacked-up

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			If you can't make the effort to play the game enough to pay for minor cosmetic changes to your character then I think you might be getting involved with the wrong genre of game.	
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what gives, i feel like i'm taking out a mortgage and a student loan to use my dyes at all. rediculous. even more common dyes are an arm and a leg to use now.
 
playing dress up has kept me playing and pay for the game via subs and credd for the past year, becuase it felt like it was good value for the money. well now you just sucked the value out of one of the biggest draws of this game (for me at least). rather frustrating.	
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			dye money will become pocket change later in the game, keep at it!	
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If you can't make the effort to play the game enough to pay for minor cosmetic changes to your character then I think you might be getting involved with the wrong genre of game.
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Hmm, the most expensive dyes white/black seem to have been cut in price a slight bit, but instead everything else has been raised up to that price range...
 
2.25p is lowest I got for full DS gear, while even full costumes are 1.5p+. This seems rather excessive.	
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i've been playing the game since launch. how about you m8?
 
i'm level 50 and have been for a year now.
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If you can't make the effort to play the game enough to pay for minor cosmetic changes to your character then I think you might be getting involved with the wrong genre of game.
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I will strategically buy up all costumes at level 5 and dye them before progressing further, then.
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Then... are dye fees much higher at max level than after I create a new character?
 
'Cause around level 3 or 4 I have enough money to cover dying my costume in all three dye channels with plenty to spare.
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			Yeah this felt REALLY off. It looks like the pricing is "normalized" for the ceiling, but the floor was raised as well, so cheap dye alternatives really aren't much of alternatives now...which sucks. Logged onto my 50 and when i was trying to dye 1 row I laughed thinking that I accidentally clicked all 3 rows, but NOPE!
			
				
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Yes, they scale based on character level and item level. The high end has gone too high.
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Too bad item level has more to do with it than character level.
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dye money will become pocket change later in the game, keep at it!
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remember when using some dyes on a full costume could set you back 70 plat
 
pepperidge farm remembers	
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While I understand the necessity of money-sinks, I agree with this thread - the cost is too damn high right now.
 
I like changing colours a lot, but that is something I now am going to stop doing due to the prices.
To be frank, the price should never exceed 20g when you dye all channels on all pieces - especially not
if we are to be a game hosting F2P players playing real casually.
They shouldn't put all their time into farming gold to dye themselves, nor should they have to "settle" for
a style.	
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Yeah, it's really outrageously high. I can't even imagine anyone trying to defend this, except out of some misguided, knee-jerk reaction to defend anything negative said about the game.
 
There is NO rationale for dyeing an outfit to cost a freakin' plat. None. At all.	
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			I came back for the f2p, and my dye cost on a lvl 35 was 70g... it was more gold than I had on my character.  I'm sure when I get 50, I'll have a better income to use dyes, but that seems a bit silly for a level 35.  	
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Yeah, it's really outrageously high. I can't even imagine anyone trying to defend this, except out of some misguided, knee-jerk reaction to defend anything negative said about the game.
 
There is NO rationale for dyeing an outfit to cost a freakin' plat. None. At all.
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			Yep unless they drastically increased the coin rate which they haven't dye prices are pretty steep.	
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			How is that an excuse? I mean, really?	
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I came back for the f2p, and my dye cost on a lvl 35 was 70g... it was more gold than I had on my character.  I'm sure when I get 50, I'll have a better income to use dyes, but that seems a bit silly for a level 35.  
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			I don't think it's bad. Dye drastically changes appearance of gear... it should cost a bit.	
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I don't think it's bad. Dye drastically changes appearance of gear... it should cost a bit.
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			From what I've seen it has to do with your level, what would cost like 25 gold on one of my higher level characters costs like 10 silver or less on a lower leveled one of the same dye color.	
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How is that an excuse? I mean, really?
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Damn... I was looking forward to having customization similar to how GW2 allows it and FF14 via dyes.. but this has to be the most absurdly over-priced system in any game I've seen.
 
While I can agree that it's a gold sink and gold sinks CAN be good.. why in the HELL would you stick it on something like dye? That just basically insures no one will really waste their time with dyes any more.
 
I dunno.. I just gotta say that it's disappointing to read about this. I saw that I could dye stuff and when I got to the vendor to try some? I knew that it was obscenely overpriced and out of reach for ANY player who isn't an AH playa.. :< 	
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It's a ridiculous price even for a level 50.
 
@Dark Exile: A gold sink works best when it's not obscenely painful. A basic game system like dyes should also NOT be balanced around people buying CREDD to sell for plat.
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Gold sink, 
 
While most don't see the point having things to throw money at even if its stupid is a good overall plan, keeps those throwing money at the game to sell CREDD buying it, and stops player A from having a few hundred million plat, which if worked right would screw with market prices making everything unnatainable to new players (had a freind start WoW told him to buy this one item from the AH and it was going to cost millions, he logged out never to be seen again)
 
Cant say ive seen the prices overall since last time i dyed anything was a few months back when i changed the strain outfit to black and red lol
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Not saying it is and hardly defending it, the fact i can go farm malgrave for a few hours aa day and buy a handful of credd with the profit means its far too easy to get money, the only other gold sink ive found is gear repairs after raids or failed vet dungeons.
The game now being F2P i would have thought they would make getting money harder, but it seems alot easier.
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Not saying it is and hardly defending it, the fact i can go farm malgrave for a few hours aa day and buy a handful of credd with the profit means its far too easy to get money, the only other gold sink ive found is gear repairs after raids or failed vet dungeons.
The game now being F2P i would have thought they would make getting money harder, but it seems alot easier.
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Gold sinks work best when they're at a level when the person using them barely notices. I'll pay 10-25g 20 or 30 times before I'd pay 1 plat once.
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			Welp. Glad I got all my stuff dyed how I want it already.	
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what gives, i feel like i'm taking out a mortgage and a student loan to use my dyes at all. rediculous. even more common dyes are an arm and a leg to use now.
 
playing dress up has kept me playing and pay for the game via subs and credd for the past year, becuase it felt like it was good value for the money. well now you just sucked the value out of one of the biggest draws of this game (for me at least). rather frustrating.
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what gives, i feel like i'm taking out a mortgage and a student loan to use my dyes at all. rediculous. even more common dyes are an arm and a leg to use now.
 
playing dress up has kept me playing and pay for the game via subs and credd for the past year, becuase it felt like it was good value for the money. well now you just sucked the value out of one of the biggest draws of this game (for me at least). rather frustrating.
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come on man things are changing face it..u have like trillion ways to do money in this game..
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			 I think over charging dyes is going to hurt the holowardrobe and its potential for income later on down the line since it will make people more hesitant to keep swapping out styles and dying them every time. Im at the point im still using the same 6 styles over course of a year and dont really intend to switch out especially since ive not seen sexy gear put into the cash shop...	
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Not saying it is and hardly defending it, the fact i can go farm malgrave for a few hours aa day and buy a handful of credd with the profit means its far too easy to get money, the only other gold sink ive found is gear repairs after raids or failed vet dungeons.
The game now being F2P i would have thought they would make getting money harder, but it seems alot easier.
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I do not possibly believe you are making 30+ plat from a couple hours farming who-knows-what in Malgrave.
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I do not possibly believe you are making 30+ plat from a couple hours farming who-knows-what in Malgrave.
 
The dye gold sink worked great pre-drop 6 as most things were priced below a pain threshold. This let people feel comfortable changing out dyes whenever they felt like it and ultimately likely spending far more money in the long run than they will with the system as it is.
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			I remember trying to use some rare dyes to dye a whole set of gear and it cost me about 6 plat. I think it was like 5p 80g or something.	
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 I think over charging dyes is going to hurt the holowardrobe and its potential for income later on down the line since it will make people more hesitant to keep swapping out styles and dying them every time. Im at the point im still using the same 6 styles over course of a year and dont really intend to switch out especially since ive not seen sexy gear put into the cash shop...
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Something I enjoy doing is farming.. stupid as it sounds.. 
 
If I can't be lucky enough to find a group to dungeon or raid with, I at least like making money to spend elsewhere in game :D 	
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Ill say - endgame dye costs are pretty damn high. 2-3p to change a *color* is absurd considering how long it takes the average player to accrue that amount. 1p perhaps, but no more. Part of the fun of Wildstar is the HUGE variety of costumes you can create - but at endgame it feels more like a penalty than something fun.
 
My level 50 character shouldnt have to spend 2.5 plat to make the *exact* same changes my lvl 16 character has, who only spent 30 silver to do so. That's out of whack.
			
				
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My level 50 character shouldnt have to spend 2.5 plat to make the *exact* same changes my lvl 16 character has, who only spent 30 silver to do so. That's out of whack.
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hmm i don't remember at launch the dye prices being this high myself... as dress up play has been a thing for me since june last year. then again my dye collection started rather modest and stayed that way for a fair while until i started farming them via dailies and such a couple months later when i hit 50. though that was still under the system the game launched with...
 
 
funnily enough i've still got a handful of those tokens they gave us to remodel/make costumes for free when they put in the holowardrobe some months ago... which have been depricated with some vague promise of a vendor being added with neat rewards. and can't use now that the dye fees have been jacked up.	
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funnily enough i've still got a handful of those tokens they gave us to remodel/make costumes for free when they put in the holowardrobe some months ago... which have been depricated with some vague promise of a vendor being added with neat rewards. and can't use now that the dye fees have been jacked up.
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If you can't make the effort to play the game enough to pay for minor cosmetic changes to your character then I think you might be getting involved with the wrong genre of game.
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Hey folks -
 
I suspect this is working as intended, but I'm going to send these concerns up the chain to be sure. Even if it is as intended, this is really valuable feedback.
 
Thanks!	
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			Thanks, HernCo. We appreciate the attention given. I hope that, even if it is currently working as intended, the folk in power will see reason regarding these dye prices. @_@	
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Hmm, the most expensive dyes white/black seem to have been cut in price a slight bit, but instead everything else has been raised up to that price range...
 
2.25p is lowest I got for full DS gear, while even full costumes are 1.5p+. This seems rather excessive.
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They have to make money, it was always going to be cosmetics and fluff that got hit.
 
housing enthusiasts, mount and pet collectors, costume lovers - those people will pay so raiders can raid with 20 of their closest friends and get all the best stuff for free
 
not that all raiders don't fall into some of the other categories, just generalising
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I suspect this is working as intended, but I'm going to send these concerns up the chain to be sure. Even if it is as intended, this is really valuable feedback.
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Current costume is parts of the Formal set from Cosmic Rewards.  I have the chest, hands, legs, and feet equipped as costumes.  When I dye all the pieces Black Hole Black, the cost is 72g.  When I dye it all with Platinum Grey, you know the dye you get from the dye quest in Illium at lvl 14, the cost is 1p 80s.  Using one of the dyes purchased from the dye vendor, the cost is 1p 80s.  Using a white quality dye, the cost is 1p 80s.  Green quality is 1p 17g 60s.  Blue quality dye is 1p 26g.  Supernova White is 1p 34g 40s.  The dyes from Madam Fay are 1p 26g.  Marauder red is 1p 34g 40s.
 
That is on my 50 main.  Lower levels pay less.  Scales with level, but not sure how they're calculating what should cost what LOL  Black Hole being cheaper then Platinum Grey is a headscratcher.	
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			Well Naunet, I remember you from prelaunch. If anyone deserves cheap dye changes it's you. Maybe they should take off a percentage for every month a player was loyal. :lol:	
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I agree with OP.
 
What were you thinking carbine ?
 
Basically i cannot dye my costumes anymore. This is too *cupcake*ing expensive.	
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The ramped up dye costs are absurd and a really poorly thought out change.
 
Wildstar has a beautful dye and costume system, one of the best in any MMO. It allows for some truly inspired outfits, as this thread on the forums demonstrates.
 
So why wreck it with ridiculously high dye costs that inhibits experimentation, kills the fun and reduces the likelihood of players wanting to change their costumes and (most foolish of all) buy new ones from the cash shop?
 
And before the usual drones chime in with "MMOs need gold sinks", yes they do. But they need properly balanced, properly  tuned gold sinks that are fair and make sense. The current dye prices are ludicrous and out of whack by a such a huge margin you have to question how they even reached the decision.
 
Besides, this likely won't perform as a gold sink anyway because many players just won't bother to re-dye their gear or change costumes once they have one they like. And it'll likely inhibit the cash shop too as a result, so it's doubly nonsensical.
 
As usual, Wildstar takes one step forward and two steps back.	
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Well Naunet, I remember you from prelaunch. If anyone deserves cheap dye changes it's you. Maybe they should take off a percentage for every month a player was loyal. :lol:
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+1
 
Bumping this thread.....although i don't have high level character yet i have noticed the dye prices going up drastically and im only in my 20s	
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Hahaha! While I appreciate the thought... ;D I think everyone deserves affordable dye!
 
Oh gosh, that sounded like a political statement or something silly. But no, really!
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what gives, i feel like i'm taking out a mortgage and a student loan to use my dyes at all. rediculous. even more common dyes are an arm and a leg to use now.
 
playing dress up has kept me playing and pay for the game via subs and credd for the past year, becuase it felt like it was good value for the money. well now you just sucked the value out of one of the biggest draws of this game (for me at least). rather frustrating.
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Hey folks -
 
I suspect this is working as intended, but I'm going to send these concerns up the chain to be sure. Even if it is as intended, this is really valuable feedback.
 
Thanks!
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