149916-healing-wbs-is-going-to-be-a-problem-for-pvers

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			Hey Carbine, healers are going to start refusing to heal WBs unless they are willing to get flagged for PvP. Even if people turn off their flags, it isn't immediate and I imagine it will be very easy for a healer to get unintentionally flagged.	
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Just get those hot lifesteal runes in
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/149802-lifesteal-not-working/
 
 
and then who needs healers!
			
				
	Edited February 24, 2016 by zappy	
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Hey Carbine, healers are going to start refusing to heal WBs unless they are willing to get flagged for PvP. Even if people turn off their flags, it isn't immediate and I imagine it will be very easy for a healer to get unintentionally flagged.
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Carbine is already aware of this and working over a resolve.
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/149894-server-merge-free-transfers/?p=1490502
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			I don't find it unreasonable to ask people to unflag for WBs because they are large PvE events. You'd be fighting against the majority. Just need to start unflagging ahead of time instead of right before the fight.	
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			Dodging red works as well :P	
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I don't find it unreasonable to ask people to unflag for WBs because they are large PvE events. You'd be fighting against the majority. Just need to start unflagging ahead of time instead of right before the fight.
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			This seriously needs to be addressed asap. It was already a problem and now it's going to be so much worse. I'm sure as hell not healing world boss fights anymore (something I do regularly and really enjoy) if I'm going to get flagged every single time. I haven't played much lately (surgery and then the flu, fun times lol) but I actually have 300 prestige and ALL of it is from being flagged during world boss fights. I dislike PVP and hate being forced into it for trying to play a support role :(. It's especially not fun getting ganked the moment the fight ends, unable to port out. And I'm sure it's obvious to those players that I'm just a non-PVP healer that got flagged accidentally.
			
				
	Edited February 25, 2016 by Reekah Taz	
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Cry me a river....
 
I will heal all of you, and than kill the guys with flame and right clicks that think its a good idear to attack a healer!	
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Cry me a river....
 
I will heal all of you, and than kill the guys with flame and right clicks that think its a good idear to attack a healer!
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As fellow Healslinger, I kinda agree.
I want to see the poor sod getting through our shields and absorbs and then not get wrecked when I call it out on Discord.
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Not that I healsling (probably should) but with the class sets I'd be amazed if it didn't take a group to kill some healslingers.
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what can I say :P
We go pewpew and still look awesome when healing in the middle of our DPS pack :P
Plus those dps-cupcakes love to hug you when you toss the void pact around :D
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As a healslinger, getting flagged during WB events because of my AOE heals is incredibly frustrating. Exiles jump on me in the middle of the fight and rip into me, all while I'm trying to keep people alive, and keep myself alive. It just takes away from the game.
 
I *love* to pvp. All I do in this game is PVP, but I don't like it forced on me because of a flawed system.
 
 	
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I do agree the flag takes too long to turn off... It should be reduced and there should atleast be an option to instantly turn it off upon death, even the "grace" buff from death lasts a shorter time than turning the flag off so you can still get ganked again before you can unflag yourself properly.
 
And as mentioned by other posters, the accidental flagging for healers is being fixed. Who knows when that'll get patched, though. Hopefully before or in time for Arcterra...
			
				
	Edited March 15, 2016 by Revon	
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			Is this a problem for Esper heals? I've never gone down to PvP while healing for a WB (though I do almost always get flagged by some one else being flagged if I run healer, and usually run utility instead). If they can overcome my fields, probes, shield heals, and my through-channel Emission spam then they deserve the kill.	
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Is this a problem for Esper heals?
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For one, my Esper's pvp LAS is vastly different than the pve LAS. But I've only been pk'd once on WB, and didn't realize until I had the "recent pvp death" debuff. %@$# stalkers. Was irked. I mean, if those few selfish flaggers would protect the healers they got flagged, that would be a different story. :P  For someone who does not like pvp at all, Reekah for example, it's a total nuisance... on top of an unnecessary repair bill when she was killed after WB died.
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			What does LAS mean  :)	
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What does LAS mean   :)
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So I just came back to this game after some time away and decided to do the Lightspire event contract on my healslinger. I didn't PvP flag and I never PvP flag intentionally. I have only heal and utility abilities on my bars. And yet, somehow in the middle of all the chaos of the event, I got flagged. I have no idea how it happened, and didn't even notice it until I took damage in the middle of the last boss fight from a flagged (red) Exile player. I didn't see any different colored Dominion player's names, so I couldn't see that any of them were flagged, and my name didn't show up as a different color once I did get flagged. I eventually saw the "(PVP)" next to my name, but geez, I was surprised at how unfriendly this flag system is. Of course, as soon as the boss was dead, the Exile players come straight after me. Thankful for the Homeward Bound AMP that let me get away without dying, but why on earth would I ever want to heal another world boss encounter if I am pretty much guaranteed to be flagged?
 
Does this same thing happen with DPS players who aren't flagged but a flagged player of the opposite faction jumps in the way of their abilities?
 
I couldn't believe that this isn't already set up with the default being you have to be flagged yourself in order for your heals to affect a flagged ally. Completely and utterly flabbergasted that the default is "AOE heal flags you if a flagged ally is standing in it." 	
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Hey Carbine, healers are going to start refusing to heal WBs unless they are willing to get flagged for PvP. Even if people turn off their flags, it isn't immediate and I imagine it will be very easy for a healer to get unintentionally flagged.
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			Incase some folks don't know, there is a bug (at least on some Offensive Medic abilities) that will flag you if you use them in the presence of other flagged opponents... Hopefully this is being worked on @ Carbine's end, but I suspect it might be a little while before a fix is out given the current situation.
			
				
	Edited March 16, 2016 by Nazryn	
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Answer: all players flag up and murder the other side in .5s, problem solved.
Other Answer: Heal better
Other other answer: Carbine in what seems to be a state where it's about to fail due to much larger issues goes to fix a tiny issue that hurts about all 10-14 people that actually do WBs on their healers. That is, rather than healers just deal with a little pvp dmg/death and suck it up.
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Answer: all players flag up and murder the other side in .5s, problem solved.
Other Answer: Heal better
Other other answer: Carbine in what seems to be a state where it's about to fail due to much larger issues goes to fix a tiny issue that hurts about all 10-14 people that actually do WBs on their healers. That is, rather than healers just deal with a little pvp dmg/death and suck it up.
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Answer: all players flag up and murder the other side in .5s, problem solved.
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Terrible attitude.
 
I don't want to be forced into PvP. I rolled on the PvE server for a reason. Until this is fixed, I will not be participating in any world boss activities.
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I would say I have the correct attitude, you can either run from the problem or deal with it (there aren't even that many Dominion players left), Carbine most likely does not have the time or resources to fix tiny issues (make no mistake this is tiny) when the game is most likely a few months from being shut down.
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Carbine has already said they are going to change this behavior and they believe it is important.
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Surprised that you can't see that forcing PvE only players to be vulnerable to PvP is a big issue for many paying customers. There are a large number of gamers who detest being ganked, and a lot of them pay the bills.
 
And this is probably not a very time consuming fix. I doubt working on this delays RMT one day.	
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			Because keeping your PvE playerbase happy, who are the majority of the playerbase as evidenced by the incredibly small population in the PvP servers, is not an important thing.	
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			There's only two viable quick fixes, either you can't be flagged for healing or you can't heal pvpers. If they wanna do it then good for them, personally don't care if RMT is delayed or on time because it's not going to bring in a wave of players. Basically, it doesn't change anything about the course the game is on.They should be spending every moment on fixing what actually caused F2Pers to flee the game, it's basically been proven now by recent events that the player base they have is not enough to keep this game running. 
			
				
	Edited March 16, 2016 by Naix	
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			Incidental damage from accidentally flagging PVP (via heals) is not a huge issue for me, nor is getting chased after the WB is downed. BUT... there are a few who see world bosses as opportunities to gank healers (PVP centric abilities on their LAS) and totally ignore the world boss encounter-- sometimes resulting in a wipe for both sides.  It doesn't happen every time but it is annoying as hell when it does.  When I heal WBs now I take a cc break and some cc abilities.	
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There's only two viable quick fixes, either you can't be flagged for healing or you can't heal pvpers.
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From patch notes today:
 
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PVP
Players will no longer be able to heal/buff pvp-flagged players if they are not also pvp-flagged.
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I would say I have the correct attitude, you can either run from the problem or deal with it (there aren't even that many Dominion players left), Carbine most likely does not have the time or resources to fix tiny issues (make no mistake this is tiny) when the game is most likely a few months from being shut down.
 
I don't disagree it needs to be fixed in some way but from a PvPer's perspective you healing a person he wants to fight and you being untouchable is probably just as big of a problem to them. Keep in mind the pvp server is now gone and open world pvp got a buff so people could get prestige.
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Unflagged can't heal flagged anymore.
 
But does it work the same the other way around? Can flagged healers heal the unflagged WB zerg?	
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			If you are PVP flagged, just nab a healer that likes being PVP flagged too. Problem solved (now that they can't force healers to be PVP flagged by healing us who are PVP flagged). SMASH ALL THE THINGS. The boss. The Dommies. Great fun for everyone! ;)
			
				
	Edited March 16, 2016 by Cercie	
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