126912-transcript-of-f2p-livestream

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First 10 minutes complete fluff bullshit.
 
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For those that missed it during work, or for those who can't go watch it on Twitch: 	TYPED THIS UP FOR THOSE THAT MISSED IT. TRIED TO INCLUDE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS DISCUSSED, AS WELL AS HIGHLIGHT THE STUFF THAT I FELT THE COMMUNITY WAS MORE ADAMANT ABOUT FINDING OUT.First 10 minutes complete fluff bullshit.
-Donatelli and Chad Moore(Pappy) both cover why the move to F2P: To get more players into WS. Didn't want any barrier to anyone in the world getting into WS, so they removed sub and box price.
-Moore/Donatelli talk briefly about trying to adhere to "philosophy" of Wildstar, while still trying to transition to F2P
-Moore covering Lormaggedon... not sure why this is relevant.
-Donatelli talking about Protogames Initiative drop
-The first 20 minutes of this livestream has been about nothing related to F2P.
"The vast majority of these changes were determined from player feedback" (Donatelli)
"Players should expect the same kind of updates as we move forward" (Moore)
"We can keep doing these quarterly releases... we nailed it, and we can continue to do this" (Donatelli)
-F2P beta is there so that we can make sure we do it right, and people can experience it before it goes live
-Subscribers since day 1: We want to give you some awesome things. (Mount, Pet, Decor)
-Mount ONLY for people subscribed since June 3rd until F2P transition. YOU CANNOT GET THIS MOUNT ANYWHERE ELSE.
-Spending money on sub/box/credd etc. builds up loyalty points, allows you to spend points on cool rewards via loyalty program
-More info on Loyalty later, Loyalty program separate from in-game store.
-In game store currency is called "N Coins", "Omnibits" drop in-game and can still be used to buy stuff from the in-game store (allows literally anyone who plays the game to purchase items from store)
-Donatelli on items absolutely NOT in the store:
Won't sell "power" (items that allow people to kill others just by buying items in store)
Will not be P2W - not even close.
Q: "As a player that wants to take advantage of F2P system, I won't be able to create a guild. Why limit a social feature like this? These are important things"
Donatelli: I think we learned at the beginning, the hard way, that you tend to have people getting into the game that are gold farmers or just want to harass others. So these people can spin up guilds, and constantly spam people with guild invites. This is a good way to put the kibosh on this.-Moore/Donatelli adamant that this will in NO WAY stop any updates, or content releases.	MOORE HIGHLIGHTING SOME MAJOR CHANGES UPCOMING:-Completely revamping tutorial zones ("Never played an MMO" tutorial, "played an MMO before but not wildstar" tutorial, "Just want to skip the tutorial and get to content")
-Entry zones have been updated/streamlined in drops 3, 4, 5
-Completely overhauling itemzation in the game, and the player stats:
Players unsure which stats are most important, confusion
Strip down stats to nuts n' bolts, rework it to make it easier to understand (not making any changes to player power)
-AMP system (talent tree): some are locked behind item drops, can be very frustrating. Taking away item unlocked amps, all will be available to all players
-Moore highlighting dungeon changes (not covering this in-depth as we're all familiar with how dungeons have been streamlined
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Q: "I missed 1 month of sub, any way to me to get the crawler mount?"
Donatelli: Currently plan is if you were subbed from launch to F2P transition, you get crawler mount. Must have 0 lapse in subscription.Q: "If I used CREDD as my sub, do I still get rewards?"
Moore: Absolutely.Q: "Will I be able to redeem CREDD after F2P launch for Signature status?"
Donatelli: HELL YES! CREDD is not going awayQ: "The FAQ says that 'F2P players cannot create or be invited to guilds'. Does this apply if they are already in a guild? Will they get kicked, or remain in a guild if they're already in one during the transition?"
Donatelli: F2P player can be invited to a guild, can't invite or create. A player who is signature can do all of these things. If they are a signature member and then stop being a signature member, they can still be in the guild they created - they can even still 'run' it essentially - they just can't do any inviting. They will not get kicked, they'll remain in their guild.Q: "Why are we limiting the social feature?"
Donatelli: There's just too many things that can go wrong with giving that ability to F2P players. Trolls, Gold farmers, etc. Don't want to deal with it.Q: "What is the difference between the 'Player Appreciation rewards' and the Loyalty Rewards?"
Moore: Pretty simple distinction- Appreciation rewards are for players who've been subscribed since launch, or subscribed at any point before F2P. Loyalty rewards are for those players as well, but the loyalty program continues on. Appreciation rewards go out at the F2P transition, and that's it. But the loyalty points are ongoing.Q: "Do we ever have plans to charge for new content? Raids? BG's? Housing? Costumes?
Donatelli: Things like housing decor, costumes, pets, etc. that stuff will be on our in-game store, and a lot of that is being worked on right now. We're not going to sell BG's, Raids, Dungeons - there are no plans to gate content behind that.Q: "What happens if we have more than 12 characters, and want to switch to the F2P model?"
Moore: If you have purchased a box/digital copy at any point, you will be "grand-fathered" in to having all of those slots available. So even if you decide to go to a F2P account, you will still have access to all of those characters.Q: "Will the loyalty points replace renown?"
Donatelli: No, they're completely separate.Q: "Does box-purchases refer to physical AND digital copies of the game?"
All: Yes yes yes yes yesQ: "Will there be more content when F2P comes?"
Donatelli: Of course there's going to be more content! That's the whole point of this thing. The F2P release is going to have a whole bunch of content with it. We had a meeting yesterday to discuss what content is coming after the F2P release. We've proven that we can do quarterly releases, the team is practiced at it. There will positively be more content after the transition.Q: "I have no active sub and will not be back in-game until after F2P - will I still have all of my stuff?"
Moore: Yes. You're not losing anything.	
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			Thanks, appreciate the work transcribing this.  Nothing really too new, but didn't really expect that either :)	
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			Thank you so much! I'm at work and can't watch any videos. This is a huge help	
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Q: "Do we ever have plans to charge for new content? Raids? BG's? Housing? Costumes?
Donatelli: Things like housing decor, costumes, pets, etc. that stuff will be on our in-game store, and a lot of that is being worked on right now. We're not going to sell BG's, Raids, Dungeons - there are no plans to gate content behind that.
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Q: "I missed 1 month of sub, any way to me to get the crawler mount?"
Donatelli: Currently plan is if you were subbed from launch to F2P transition, you get crawler mount. Must have 0 lapse in subscription.
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			That's a good question, I let my sub lapse for a total of about 5 minutes once, was playing and got booted basically, would that mean I would or would not get it? I figure that's a good example at least considering they say "0 lapse".I kinda wonder if they'll go into details, because honestly it's a bit hard to tell what they mean. My best guess is that you didn't miss a "full month".	
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Thanks. Sounds like Carbine is doing it right.
 
Hopefully this brings new life to the game and many new players. The cash shop should also bring lots of well deserved money to the devs pockets.	
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If only he could have clarified what's considered a lapse while answering this question.
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Thanks. Sounds like Carbine is doing it right.
 
Hopefully this brings new life to the game and many new players. The cash shop should also bring lots of well deserved money to the devs pockets.
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Aside from being displeased, I think if one is really upset about this, try to provide alternative.  One very good alternative I saw (h/t to Roda and C-name-person-whom-I-can't-remember-the-rest-of-the-letters-sorry) was to put this reward after X numbers of subscribed months, regardless of lapse.  Means it's obtainable in the future, means hiccups won't matter, means those who took a break over Christmas won't matter.  It'd just stagger the reward until whatever threshold is reached.  
 
Be upset, but be upset and offer them a solution to what would make you not upset.  It'll gain a lot more traction.
 
You'll also notice (assuming the transcript is 100% accurate) he said "Currently the plan is X".  That sounds a lot like carefully parsed phrasing.  Currently the plan IS for no gaps.  However in the future the plan may change.  If you lean on that part, maybe those who are feeling snubbed might be able to stay happier.
 
Or not.  I don't speak for these guys, but they have changed stuff in the past and continue to listen.  If they think it's something they can do and it makes happier customers/players, I suspect it'll get due consideration.  
 
I'd say it's a hell of a lot more productive than being displease, upset, etc.	
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That's a good question, I let my sub lapse for a total of about 5 minutes once, was playing and got booted basically, would that mean I would or would not get it? I figure that's a good example at least considering they say "0 lapse".
 
I kinda wonder if they'll go into details, because honestly it's a bit hard to tell what they mean. My best guess is that you didn't miss a "full month".
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Aside from being displeased, I think if one is really upset about this, try to provide alternative.  One very good alternative I saw (h/t to Roda and C-name-person-whom-I-can't-remember-the-rest-of-the-letters-sorry) was to put this reward after X numbers of subscribed months, regardless of lapse.  Means it's obtainable in the future, means hiccups won't matter, means those who took a break over Christmas won't matter.  It'd just stagger the reward until whatever threshold is reached.  
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That's a good question, I let my sub lapse for a total of about 5 minutes once, was playing and got booted basically, would that mean I would or would not get it? I figure that's a good example at least considering they say "0 lapse".
 
I kinda wonder if they'll go into details, because honestly it's a bit hard to tell what they mean. My best guess is that you didn't miss a "full month".
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As shitty as it sounds - I don't want it to be obtainable in the future. Whether or not they provide a grace period is up to them, but this is the *first* thing in Wildstar that will be completely unattainable after it's released to the players that qualify.
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			Considering these changes, I wonder if they'll revise the exile vs exile and such bgs to exile vs dominion again if populations surge. Ah well, I suppose that's something for another time.	
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As shitty as it sounds - I don't want it to be obtainable in the future. Whether or not they provide a grace period is up to them, but this is the *first* thing in Wildstar that will be completely unattainable after it's released to the players that qualify.
 
I'm excited about that, as I've put so much time, effort, and money into this game.
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As shitty as it sounds - I don't want it to be obtainable in the future. Whether or not they provide a grace period is up to them, but this is the *first* thing in Wildstar that will be completely unattainable after it's released to the players that qualify.
 
I'm excited about that, as I've put so much time, effort, and money into this game.
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Thanks for the tldw; 
 
I must admit it's really cute how they are adamant about the game not being P2W. He should meet my friend who bought a ton of CRED at launch to fund all his AMP, ability points, and get BiS pre-raid gear at launch. 	
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However, I agree, exclusivity isn't necessarily wrong - it's right to show your players appreciation without having to shower EVERYONE (those who did not qualify) appreciation. In this case, they just need to let up on how utterly stringent the requirements are - there should be some leeway for hiccups.
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They really ought to give a secondary prize for people who don't meet the "ultimate subscriber" requirements now that you mention it.
 
Maybe have a if you've been subscribed since before start of 2015.	
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****Q&A******
Q: "I missed 1 month of sub, any way to me to get the crawler mount?"
Donatelli: Currently plan is if you were subbed from launch to F2P transition, you get crawler mount. Must have 0 lapse in subscription. 
 
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-In game store currency is called "N Coins", "Omnibits" drop in-game and can still be used to buy stuff from the in-game store (allows literally anyone who plays the game to purchase items from store)
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"First 10 minutes is fluff bullshit"
 
They are trying to entertain as well as provide information	
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If this is really all they had to say about the cash shop then we're really *cupcaked*.  :lol:
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The reason they don't is because they are testing the playerbase waters to figure out what is okay and not okay for us. If we are optimistic, anyway. If we aren't, then it's because they are afraid that announcing the shop's workings too soon will annoy players and convince them that they do not want to keep their subscriptions up until F2P arrives.
 
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They also said mounts, dyes, costumes, and pets will be on the shop, but new ones will also be added to the game as well, and there won't be pay to win
 
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also there is such a huge gap in these "loyalty appreciation rewards. 
 
1. you subscribe every single day since launch to F2P, you get the mount and title and the pet, title, dj
2. you subscribe any time at all since launch and up to F2P, you get the pet, title, dj but no mount for you.
 
not only, will some very loyal customers miss out on the mount due to how stringent the requirements are but they are no more "appreciated" than someone who has been subscribed for a month.
 
12months + you're so awesome and appreciated
11 months or less and you are no more awesome and appreciated than someone who subscribes right now.
 
Carbine basically has just told a group of players who consider themselves very loyal to the game and the company that they are in fact not very appreciated at all. It's understandable that some are upset about that.
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You don't quite understand how the system works, do you?
 
 
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I understand exactly how it works, are you sure you do?
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I'll just add this to my old points then. If you have been "loyal" to the game you already have quite a few things "new" players will never get. This includes beta rewards, pre-order bonuses, Galactic Hotshot achievements, 3 different hats and a pet.
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The reason they don't is because they are testing the playerbase waters to figure out what is okay and not okay for us. If we are optimistic, anyway. If we aren't, then it's because they are afraid that announcing the shop's workings too soon will annoy players and convince them that they do not want to keep their subscriptions up until F2P arrives.
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			I shall bookmark it and come later to applaud or mock you, depending on what's the fitting reaction!	
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The one thing that did come across from the stream, NCSOFT are no longer hands off! The clues have been there for a while for any who looked hard enough.
NCSOFT taking full control, was the only thing that was going to save Wildstar after a year of abysmal upper management, chad and mike looked embarrassed by the whole situation, and tried to make light of it by saying look what we've done. The truth of the matter is the headless chickens have been put out to roost, F2P is not the model lots of us wanted, but it was the only option left that would allow us to play the best MMO on the market.    	
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Thinking about this (as someone who will get the mount) how would you feel for it being locked to players subscribed (or accounts made) before the announcement that have been subscribed a total of x months (x being the time between launch and f2p launch).
 
Anther option might be another mount/reskin at a lower threshold
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I think I need to take a break from the forums entirely for a bit, every single thread I try to look at devolves into people whinging about how some aspect or another of the transition, people making completely unfounded assumptions, the same circular arguments over the mount, etc.
 
I expected it to some extent but... urgh. Relax people.	
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not only, will some very loyal customers miss out on the mount due to how stringent the requirements are but they are no more "appreciated" than someone who has been subscribed for a month.
 
12months + you're so awesome and appreciated
11 months or less and you are no more awesome and appreciated than someone who subscribes right now.
 
Carbine basically has just told a group of players who consider themselves very loyal to the game and the company that they are in fact not very appreciated at all. It's understandable that some are upset about that.
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Like I said - I've paid from headstart in 2014 2 subscriptions on 2 accounts, never missing a month. I've bought countless amounts of CREDD as well.
 
I think this should absolutely be an exclusive item that only a certain subset of players should get. Like I mentioned before, if Carbine wants to add a grace period that's up to them. But I think its a great idea to reward the players that have not once unsubbed.
 
Sorry if that's a small minority of the population, but I don't see how me subbing for 1 year+ is equal to someone who missed 1 month. 2 months... However long.
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If only he could have clarified what's considered a lapse while answering this question.
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The one thing that did come across from the stream, NCSOFT are no longer hands off! The clues have been there for a while for any who looked hard enough.
NCSOFT taking full control, was the only thing that was going to save Wildstar after a year of abysmal upper management, chad and mike looked embarrassed by the whole situation, and tried to make light of it by saying look what we've done. The truth of the matter is the headless chickens have been put out to roost, F2P is not the model lots of us wanted, but it was the only option left that would allow us to play the best MMO on the market.    
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 I assume, 100% uptime. Every month, you have £8 coming out of your bank account (or w/e sub you went with). Not one break at all, the main question, does that include credd? I assume it would. I know I wont get the mount, I only have 7 months worth of Wildstar time since launch, but oh well, the months I missed, would add up to over £40, and no mount would be worth that price :-P
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But what about someone who lapsed for less than a day? I'm not entirely sure but I think MAYBE one time my card didn't work and I had to reactivate manually. This means that for a couple of hours, my sub lapsed, but I was still able to access the game for every single day (24 hour period) since launch day. Yes, I would be bitter if I didn't get the mount. I wouldn't quit over it, I wouldn't rage over it, but I would be upset that a lapse of a couple of hours would mean I'm not loyal enough to get the reward.
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			Sorry, Mae, clearly your credit card was not loyal and HARDCORE! enough for Carbine!	
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But what about someone who lapsed for less than a day? I'm not entirely sure but I think MAYBE one time my card didn't work and I had to reactivate manually. This means that for a couple of hours, my sub lapsed, but I was still able to access the game for every single day (24 hour period) since launch day. Yes, I would be bitter if I didn't get the mount. I wouldn't quit over it, I wouldn't rage over it, but I would be upset that a lapse of a couple of hours would mean I'm not loyal enough to get the reward.
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In fairness, that's a few hours when you weren't paying for the game. At 50 cents per day, that's about two cents per hour you walked off with in savings! Those add up, y'know.
 
More seriously, the frustration that you are feeling for getting the lesser tier of appreciation even though you achieved 99.7% of the requirements for the top tier has an in-game analogy. It's the same frustration felt by players of instanced content when they achieve 99.7% of the requirements for a gold medal and end up with a silver medal instead. 
 
I hope you have better luck with the next promotion and whatever requirements they put on that one! 
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Sorry, Mae, clearly your credit card was not loyal and HARDCORE! enough for Carbine!
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Knowing that I had to be subscribed since the 3rd upsets me. I have followed this game for years, and even partook in the beta tests way back when to the extent I could. However limited that may have been.
 
From there I bought myself and others copies of the game, and continued to play up until today. However I do not qualify. Simply because my copy was not registered on day one according to what they stated on the livestream. Bleh.. to top it off I grabbed another stack of boxed copies today. Some for friends. Some for myself. Wanted to get more people into the game.
 
I really hope they are willing to make certain types of exceptions.	
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More seriously, the frustration that you are feeling for getting the lesser tier of appreciation even though you achieved 99.7% of the requirements for the top tier has an in-game analogy. It's the same frustration felt by players of instanced content when they achieve 99.7% of the requirements for a gold medal and end up with a silver medal instead. 
 
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Damn carbine really i´m since launch but missed 3 or 4 months and no mount. WHY? Come on... this is ridiculous. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdLhdrNgGu4	
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So you consider having paid for 365 days out of 365 days available to be only 99.7%.... interesting.
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Damn carbine really i´m since launch but missed 3 or 4 months and no mount. WHY? Come on... this is ridiculous. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdLhdrNgGu4
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			it is not fair for those who like mounts... i dont care about title and decor... but mounts !! many people not just me would trade the title and decorations for crawley mount. Carbine should change it... 	
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it is not fair for those who like mounts... i dont care about title and decor... but mounts !! many people not just me would trade the title and decorations for crawley mount. Carbine should change it... 
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This game has always been about segregating the snowflake population. Now it is going FTP it has to try even harder to make sure the snowflake player base it originally marketed to will feel like they stand out enough from the normal non royal pleb scum. This game is brutal for a collector’s mindset. Simply not living in America means you miss out on event codes at the very least.
 
This game is all about not providing alternate methods of obtaining things.
If they cared about rewarding loyalty without pushing away the majority of the player base they would introduce a system in which every day you log in with a subscription you get points that you can spend on loyalty rewards of various costs including the exclusive items. Giving everyone a chance to eventually or selectively choose what they want to get at some point if ever. But as I have always stated, this game is about exclusivity. The point is not to "reward" you but to have many not be able to get something. Wildstar has always been about that market. It was made advertising to the hardcore who play to be separated from others visually and in game content.	
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I also have my concerns, if NCSOFT don't chop off some upper management heads, they will take all the failings of the last year into the next.	
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I strongly suggest they offer alternate paths to rare/exclusive items that while are harder to get then "given to you already" you are able to work on in order to complete your account.   
 
Such as via accrued loyalty credits via a loyalty points shop.   Have the prices be expensive or require months and months of saving up for.   My point being it would help many get past the bad feeling of knowing you will only ever get 98% of the puzzle pieces.   Those who get the items early via loyalty appreciation gifting can spend there points on other beneficial items / perks.
 
I fully expect this idea will get shut down, many many people are happy to deny others entrance into exclusivity no matter how remote it might be.  People being people and all.  Especially in a game like this from a company like this.
 
But to me, achievements are entirely different then collectibles.  For a player like me, it might mean the difference in feeling comfortable playing a game I know I have already lost compared to having something that if spent time on could flesh out my missing things.
 
Is the exclusive crowd really so large and aggressive?	
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I just heard from an source that will remain unnamed that if you completed the DS raid that is to say 9/9 you will be considered a loyal member irregardless of active membership. this will be one of the flex criteria for the upcoming loyalty rewards. there are also more flex criteria but this was the only one i was addressed, the rest remain secret or are still being worked on.
 
this came about due to the outrage in the community with regards to what defines a "loyal" player. hopefully this will clear up a little of the confusion and give the rest of you some peace of mind. Carbine knows that the current as written requirements require more flexibility and a loyal player is not strictly defined by their currently loyalty rewards requirements.
 
cross your fingers for more updates!	
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I just heard from an source that will remain unnamed that if you completed the DS raid that is to say 9/9 you will be considered a loyal member irregardless of active membership. this will be one of the flex criteria for the upcoming loyalty rewards.
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I just heard from an source that will remain unnamed that if you completed the DS raid that is to say 9/9 you will be considered a loyal member irregardless of active membership. this will be one of the flex criteria for the upcoming loyalty rewards. there are also more flex criteria but this was the only one i was addressed, the rest remain secret or are still being worked on.
 
this came about due to the outrage in the community with regards to what defines a "loyal" player. hopefully this will clear up a little of the confusion and give the rest of you some peace of mind. Carbine knows that the current as written requirements require more flexibility and a loyal player is not strictly defined by their currently loyalty rewards requirements.
 
cross your fingers for more updates!
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#Hardcore
 
Casuals will be royally pissed if they gonna be snuffed from the mount, while some one who has played less, gets the mount on account of 9/9 status in DS.
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Cool! Only you may want to tell your unnamed source that he chose a really bad messenger if he wanted to communicate something to the forums... the one he informed is fairly well known for trolling these forums mercilessly.  ;)
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it is not fair for those who like mounts... i dont care about title and decor... but mounts !! many people not just me would trade the title and decorations for crawley mount. Carbine should change it... 
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Hey folks, since we do already have other threads open for discussion regarding our transition to F2P, I'm going to lock this thread. If you want to discuss our loyalty rewards (mount, title, etc) please head this way. If you want to leave feedback about the announcement to F2P there's this thread here. If you have population balance concerns, this is the place for you. If you want to list the top things you're excited about, try over here. 
 
We do want to try our best to keep all information in just one place for feedback, so thank you for helping us out!
- Team WildStar 	
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