Report 1701

Report #1701
Skillset: Poisons Skill: Ibululu
 Org: Hallifax Status: Completed Jun 2017
Furies' Decision:
Solution 1
Problem: Ibululu gives sensitivity to those who aren't deaf and strips deaf on
those who are deaf. This has led to ibululu being used by people to self-strip
deafness by sipping ibululu to prevent bards from blanknoting them, allowing
them to bypass the earache mechanic completely.
[A:11 R: 1] Solution #1: Have ibululu always give sensitivity, no longer
 stripping deafness first.
[A: 5 R: 3] Solution #2: In addition to solution 1, make all sources of
 sensitivity always give sensitivity, no longer
 stripping deafness first.
[A:15 R: 1] Solution #3: In addition to solutions 1 or 2, add a new skill that
 is very low in Discipline (around Insomnia?) that
 allows someone to RELAX DEAFNESS that requires
 balance/equilibrium and costs 3 seconds of
 equilibrium to remove deafness/truehearing from
 themselves without any earache. Can be used while not
 masochism.
Player Comments:
---[Falaeron on 5/30 @ 22:42 writes]:
My guess is that pre-overhaul sensitivity was way stronger (I've heard 30% more
damage?) so it made sense that it was gated behind something. Now it is
considerably weaker (~12%) so I think it is fine to no longer have any gating
condition.
---[Veyils on 6/4 @ 05:52 writes]:
This sounds good. Sensitivty is a nice affliction but it doesnt really feel
strong enough to need a gating mechanic.
---[Ciaran on 6/5 @ 12:09 writes]:
This is more of a buff to bards than it is to sensitivity. I'm not in favor of
this change, because it's an important mechanic that allows people to avoid
earache when properly used. If you remove this mechanic there should be some
skill that allows you to relax truehearing. Truehearing against bards is almost
more of an affliction than a defense, and currently ibululu is the only cure
that I'm aware of.
---[Ciaran on 6/5 @ 12:11 writes]:
A potential middle ground could be that sensitivity strips deafness AND gives
the affliction. Removing the gate, but allowing people to cure truehearing,
albeit leaving it as a bit of a double edged sword.
---[Veyils on 6/5 @ 18:17 writes]:
I'm of a mind that if theres an issue with perfect fifth we should deal with
that in the bard report. Removing oddities like this will let us balance perfect
fifth without requiring folks to sip poisons. That said I'm not opposed to an
ability in discipline that removes truedeaf on yourself. Give it a 3 second
balance and thats a solution for you.
---[Wobou on 6/6 @ 03:23 writes]:
I support this (specifically sol. 2) but I share Ciaran's concerns about bards.
In many group fights it's a death sentence if you are caught out even one time
with deafness up, however it is also silly that you can permantently keep
deafness down with essentially no cost and use earwort when you need to. We need
to find a happy medium but that probably should be dealt with more directly in
another report.
---[Tarken on 6/12 @ 00:19 writes]:
Supported if a discipline ability is added with a balance to fill the role. I
think there should be options here, its just far too easy currently and has no
trade off.
---[Aeldra on 6/12 @ 14:43 writes]:
I will throw in my hat with the concerns that are voiced. I have a report that
would deal with herbs being forceable from the rift ( either making it only
forcible outside the rift or maybe adding a new ability that controls forcable
rift access ) which imo is an oversight from when we moved away from having to
outrift first. Would not solve the deafness problem completely, but maybe a step
into the right direction? As it stands, I feel removing ibululu report will
increase the power of deafness plays. I'd rather see this report in coupling
with a report that addresses the deafness issues, regardless which way
---[Ciaran on 6/12 @ 18:39 writes]:
I remain opposed. I would support a third solution that makes Ibululu cure
truehearing AND give sensitivity, removing the gate.
---[Veyils on 6/12 @ 20:04 writes]:
Support this change 100% it'll remove oddities and let us balance around the
actual skill set. 100% support a on balance use ability that cures truedeaf as
well though and would really like to see that added in as an option three.
---[Falaeron on 6/12 @ 22:17 writes]:
I've added a solution 3 based on what Tarken suggested.
---[Shedrin on 6/12 @ 22:53 writes]:
If Solution 3 is implemented, it wouldn't really solve the issue of people
insta-escaping each time they get p5'd, but it would impose more of a cost.
Ultimately I think we should look at adjusting Music mechanics in general, but
I'm ok with this for now.
---[Wobou on 6/13 @ 00:31 writes]:
I like solutions 2 and 3 together, making it an ability gives us another knob to
tweak which I like.
---[Sondayga on 6/14 @ 21:49 writes]:
Supported all around
---[Ciaran on 6/17 @ 10:41 writes]:
Would only support solution 3 if relax deafness works with masochism. Why are
you trying to buff bard p5? Haven't we identified it as one of the most
powerful group PvP skills? At this time I'm opposed to all solutions
---[Ciaran on 6/18 @ 08:32 writes]:
Or am I misreading 'Can be used while not masochism.'?
---[Shedrin on 6/18 @ 16:26 writes]:
Pretty sure that's clarifying that it can be used in combat.
---[Falaeron on 6/19 @ 08:17 writes]:
Yeah, RELAX INSOMNIA can't be used in combat so I wanted to make it clear that
this would be able to.
---[Wobou on 6/29 @ 01:05 writes]:
This is a tangential suggestion that I'm passing along: Ibululu has no afflict
line so it can be confused with charybdon (or detected by the earwort strip)
which in the old days used to actually trick systems but I'm not sure if that's
actually the case anymore. If we're changing this aspect of ibululu such that
you can no longer detect it from the earwort strip it may make sense to give it
an actual aff line.
---[Ciaran on 6/30 @ 06:17 writes]:
Agreed. I've always actually been fairly annoyed by that random little quirk.
I'll probably be submitting a report dealing with poison related messages.
(Read: adding a clumsiness 3p line, and removing paralysis) So if that doesn't
get adjusted within this report, I'll make sure to add a mention for it there.