147459-a-serious-issue-that-needs-fixing

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Currently in wildstar, datascape raiding has a loot table which contains item level 116 weapons in support and assault varities, for many classes.
For instance, RIGHT NOW, as a medic dps you can buy your ilvl 116 dps weapon for ~40plat on e1.
As for dps warriors, you CANNOT buy a dps ilvl 116 greatsword, but CAN buy a support version. The reason for this is that they literally are not in the drop table of datascape. They used to be, but ever since drop 6 they're gone. This is a HUGE issue that seems like it would have an easy fix, i cannot begin to understand how it hasn't been fixed.
This makes for a very unfair, gated, biased gear availability situation, considering weapons make up for most of the assault power a class has.
I'd love an official response from carbine on why this is how it is, if there's a reason for it, and if not WHY it hasn't been fixed as of yet.
Tl;dr Ilvl 116 weapons dps weapons drop for some classes and not others, making for an unfair advantage to certain classes gearing wise.
			
				
	Edited November 24, 2015 by Jordydoge	
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			and the thesis that these weapons don't drop in raid is based on... what exactly? personal observation or an actual loot table? just wondering	
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U think bugs magically disappear, just because time passes?
If u suspect a bug, then maybe, i dont know, post it in the bug forum?	
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before drop 6 there was literally 1 boe 116 sword for 6months + 
 
Seeing any warrior weapon on the ah now is amazing tbh 
 
And its not like you actually need the 116 for anything	
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ilvl116 weapons drop for all classes. thats a fact. furthermore the ilvl120 weapons now drop again from pairs.
If you are refering to random boe drops, they are random. and there are no warrior dps weapons on the AH since every guild has 72+ warrior dds.
 
edit: avatus was typo meant pairs.
			
				
	Edited November 24, 2015 by furoflo	
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It's happening all over Nexus, not just in raids. I was leveling an alt last weekend and next to no DPS gear dropped form mobs or challenge loot bags. I did get the odd purple drop that was good.
 
I went from level 7 to 35ish and at 35ish I replaced a level 13 DPS chest, as an example. I do realize that it is very important to raids but it is important to leveling as well.
 
Personally, I call BS on the loot tables as they are now. I do not and will not ever play a support role while leveling. I am not a tank (and don't play anything that could be a tank) and I do not want to heal (I don't play a medic for whatever that is worth).
 
TL;DR: I agree that support gear drop rate is hosed up.	
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TL;DR: I agree that support gear drop rate is hosed up.
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ilvl116 weapons drop for all classes. thats a fact.
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Ok, if it's missing off the loot table again it needs to be added back in, but let's not go calling the end of the world, a huge issue was LagStar post F2P conversion, this is an oversight/minor annoyance at best.
 
Not being able to buy a 116 weapon for your class isn't the end of the world, unless your epeen hangs on the need to have gear from instances you don't want to enter?
 
You can get the 96 BoE GA one, or the Ohmna 100 sword, or just got into DS and get the 120, which IIRC are now back in the Ele pairs challenge loot table.  I think there's even a 116 BoP sword from miniboss table, but that might be me misremembering the BoE sword pre drop 6.	
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Well i went to jabbithole and got some actual data..
 
Seems medicks was the only class prior to F2P (D6/1.4.0) to have both a support and assault weapons(boe~DS)
 
http://www.jabbithole.com/items?f=q:5/f:2/e1:74/e0:74/_bo:1	
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*hides his BoE DS Weapons*
 
Yep, totally not dropping	
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As I understand it, there has never been a DS BoE DPS Esper weapon. Am I mistaken?
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			 From what I read in your post you are basing your assumptions about the loot table on what you have seen in the AH and Jabbithole. Jabbithole requires you to report data to them and not everyone does, in fact it just recently started getting support again since they updated their client. It is strictly voluntary and not a database of everything that has dropped. Your original post complains that the loot table must be messed up because you cannot BUY the item. The AH, well if you didn't see it, then it wasn't there, right? There are a lot of DPS out there who don't need support weapons so if there was an assault one put up for auction (which is probably rare in the first place) I'm sure it was bought up pretty quickly by the many plat rich players or guilds for their DPS warriors. If you have other sources of information or facts on the matter, please clarify because the two sources you mentioned are incomplete or unreliable due to lack of data.
			
				
	Edited November 24, 2015 by Treachery	
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I went from level 7 to 35ish and at 35ish I replaced a level 13 DPS chest, as an example. I do realize that it is very important to raids but it is important to leveling as well.
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o_o You should have gotten at least a couple quest reward replacements in that time.
 
If there IS a drop imbalance in world drop BoEs skewed toward support gear, I have to wonder if it's to counterbalance dps gear quest rewards.
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If you are, you aren't doing it right.
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*casually completes dailies/contracts by tossing some assault abilities on her support AMP set-up* xD
 
For serious though, you have to provide enough support gear while leveling for a player to be able to maintain a set so that they can participate in dungeons!
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Well i went to jabbithole and got some actual data..
 
Seems medicks was the only class prior to F2P (D6/1.4.0) to have both a support and assault weapons(boe~DS)
 
http://www.jabbithole.com/items?f=q:5/f:2/e1:74/e0:74/_bo:1
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I don't raid so I don't know anything about the loot tables there, I'm just chiming in to point out that DPS Medic ilvl 116 resonators are not 40p on Entity1, they are 90p+:
 
Just took this a few minutes ago.	
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As I understand it, there has never been a DS BoE DPS Esper weapon. Am I mistaken?
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Ok, if it's missing off the loot table again it needs to be added back in, but let's not go calling the end of the world, a huge issue was LagStar post F2P conversion, this is an oversight/minor annoyance at best.
 
Not being able to buy a 116 weapon for your class isn't the end of the world, unless your epeen hangs on the need to have gear from instances you don't want to enter?
 
You can get the 96 BoE GA one, or the Ohmna 100 sword, or just got into DS and get the 120, which IIRC are now back in the Ele pairs challenge loot table.  I think there's even a 116 BoP sword from miniboss table, but that might be me misremembering the BoE sword pre drop 6.
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All 120 weapons come from Avatus.
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o_o You should have gotten at least a couple quest reward replacements in that time.
 
If there IS a drop imbalance in world drop BoEs skewed toward support gear, I have to wonder if it's to counterbalance dps gear quest rewards.
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All the roles that dont have a assault/support boe weapon has a bop version of it dropping from minibosses in DS..
99 % sure this was intended when it was implemented in D5, why they then went and gave medicks as the only class both a boe support and assault is anyones guess	
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All the roles that dont have a assault/support boe weapon has a bop version of it dropping from minibosses in DS..
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i thought pairs can drop them as well? but i guess i missunderstood the patchnotes from 11.11.
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DatascapeThe current legacy ilvl 120 weapon variants haven been added back into Avatus' loot tables. 
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BoP weapons don't drop from minis anymore, right?
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Wrong. Pairs drop 120 weapons again.
 
But... I'll throw you a bone. Only pink 120 weapons drop? :P
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All 120 weapons come from Avatus.
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Well that was my exact point Naunet  :D thanks for noticing.
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