112744-suggestion-make-a-suggestion-sub-forum

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As the title says ...
 
Make a Suggestion sub-forum under "general" or "community".
 
Reason: This way all suggestions are captured AND discussion on said suggestions are not buried in other topics and or locked because some other tangential topic is related.
 
Benefit:  A place were the dev's can see player suggestions and a place where players can freely discuss said suggestions without having to wade through tangentially related topics or fear said ideas will get locked in general forums.
 
Plea: If Said forum is implemented, please don't let it be a place were ideas go to die ( like on SWTOR forums ).
 
Buster,
 
You should be all over this! ;)	
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i agree with this, suggestions get buried by other topics too easily
and honestly all the trolls are in general discussion so suggestions get bombed for just having a thought.	
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Buster,
 
You should be all over this! ;)
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What defines a suggestion, that would fit in this forum? Suggestions and ideas take all forms here. Some suggestions are to undo whatever nerf that happened (or is going to happen) for a class. Others are more feature oriented, like the ability to arrange the character list that's a little further down this page. I've seen suggestions that basically say "eff it, go F2P now" and others that are, shall we say, smaller in scope. Ultimately, most things that get posted are a suggestion in one way or another. So, how do we separate what is a Suggestion with a capital "S"?
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ohhhh some feedback! HIYA casey
 
the issue with suggestions in general discussion, is that EVERYONE posts there, and people love to post for the sake of posting, and arguing for the sake of arguing.
so we need a section that people go out of their way to visit and post in, but i do agree there needs to be some guidelines.
there still will be troll posts, but I think since less people will read the section, it will cut down on the volume of attention-seekers and naysayers.
 
so i'll chime in. Here is your definition:
Suggestions are improvements, not people whining about what has been done or what needs to be done or un-done, BUT WHAT CAN BE DONE and maybe HOW.
 
i'd consider suggestions for quality of life improvement like my post for character list ordering, or letting us pre-emtively pay for repairs on housing plugs, good starts.
 
then there are other suggestions, like the movement TO REMOVE RAGS HANGING From our armor... but thats asthetic and sorta quality of life.
but i will be the first to say, low on the list of things that COULD be done to improve the game.
 
THEN you get to the suggestions that aren't actually suggestions, and those are ones having to do with balance (like people complaining about esper CC or SS damage)
thats not suggestions, that just whining mislabeled as suggestions that they, the poster, personally would like to see that improves nothing but the life of said poster.
 
so to sum it up,
you get these catagories
 
GOOD SUGGESTIONS
- Quality of life (suggestions that dont affect the game balance and only serve to improve the play experience, ability to sort or costume options fall under this)
- Improvements on existing methods (tweaks to quest lines or path or etc) (or even changes to the emblems of currency or changing things to be more visable)
- NEW methods (suggestions on tracking new currency or adding new ways to achieve something, such as the impending AMP point item aquiring changes)
- NEW areas/mobs/items/costumes/art/housing decor/fabkits/emotes/etc... (all creative input and not strictly game changing, its just another vector of idea streaming)
 
TOXIC SUGGESTIONS
- Class balance (this one is iffy and verrry biased, and honestly shouldnt really be discussed for the sole reason that the people posting don't have the raw data)
- Gear and stat balance ( also not a great subject, people do NOT have all the facts and reasonings behind the balance and shouldnt act like they do)
- Anything suggesting undo-es, this is usually just bitterness speaking and people not realising that change is a flux, and the team is still tweaking numbers.	
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Suggestions that are "new features" or improvements to "existing features" to me should be the majority of what the forum should support.
 
Some suggestions about "nerfs", class changes etc. should be tolerated if there is a HUGE outcry because these are sort of a barometer of what may be needed.  BUT, these threads should be LOCKED as SOON as they go toxic if not deleted ( only if there are no ideas of merit in side ).
 
I basically agree with Sasuga, with the above tweeks.
 
Thanks Buster, for taking an interest. :)	
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			bump for justice	
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			If you tag a post while first creating it, it will get the [suggestion] tag in front of it. They should make it possible to add tags later. :) And maybe an easier way to sort by tags. 	
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			The forums are logically split up into various topics. Suggestions for each topic should be placed into the forum it belongs in. There is no need for a separate suggestions forum.	
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i disagree
we need a suggestion topic because then we bring all the suggestions into one place, instead of scattered over 20 topics which then get buried by other topics in that section.
not to mention an actual SUGGESTION section would make it a one stop shop for carbine to browse.
 
annnd the side effect of keeping trolls and griefers in their general sections. well, most of them.
annnd the fact that people who genuinely want to look at suggestions and comment on suggestions in section full of people making suggestions, makes for a better think tank.
 
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aaaaaaaand it will help stop duplicate suggestion posts
in just this month, there were 4 threads about the tassles on armor, all because the first thread (mine, i'd like to think) got buried cuz no posts in 4 days.
 
so 3 others popped up, all about the SAME thing.
which segregates the comments and fractures the support for a suggestion.
all of that is counter productive	
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Sasuga,
 
I do agree with you and I do want a sub forum for suggestions so they won't be lost.
 
All that said, what you identified at the bottom of your post is related to human laziness.  Unfortunately, there will be those that will need to make their own thread, even in "GD" if the sub forum gets created due to laziness and or need to "feel special".
 
My primary aim is to hopefully have a place were all suggestions can reside to ease the developers task of sorting through all the forums.  Maybe, such a forum will become the primary place where they do look for our feedback with the help of the forum mods to place such suggestions in a particular place.
 
I also wish for a place to review suggestions from a player perspective so that good suggestions and commentary there of, are not lost within "other threads" scattered amongst these forums.	
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Anyone else have any thoughts on whether there is a need for a "Suggestions" sub forum?
 
Chillia, Buster,
 
Any interest from the web team and Whether the Dev team would see this as a plus for future improvements?	
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I support a suggestion forum.
 
I also think that the posts there should be held to a higher standard of quality, perhaps following a template (put in a sticky of course) that has sections like Summary, Background, Goal, Implementation, Consequences, Risks, etc so that there has to be a certain degree of thought and work put into it.	
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I have to agree with Lankybrit. It is an unneeded addition due to the well subdivided forum we already have. A topic for all suggestions is far messier then keeping suggestions in the forum for the topic to which they relate.
 
If things are sorted by topic it is far easier to find what you are interested in, or importantly what you are the Developer of! You say Carbine can see all the suggestions in one place but actually it just makes it difficult for Developers to find the suggestions they can actually consider as part of their job.
 
Currently if you are interested in Housing, Espers or a UI feature you have one place to go for all the discussion, suggestions and inspiration regarding that topic with out hunting about in various places.	
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I also need to add on my concerns with Suggestions Forum based on previous titles I have worked on.
 
Player suggestions being implemented in the way they are suggested is very rare. I have seen people write 20 page suggestions, detailing incredible content (from epic quests to zones) and small suggestions of a single post (new emote, costume etc) and they very rarely get implemented, no matter how good they are.
 
Having a "Suggestions Forum" gives the idea that those ideas will get considered, it sets an expectation. I think it's much better for a Dev to see a specific suggestion in their forum section and consider it for a future change/update etc.	
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I also need to add on my concerns with Suggestions Forum based on previous titles I have worked on.
 
Player suggestions being implemented in the way they are suggested is very rare. I have seen people write 20 page suggestions, detailing incredible content (from epic quests to zones) and small suggestions of a single post (new emote, costume etc) and they very rarely get implemented, no matter how good they are.
 
Having a "Suggestions Forum" gives the idea that those ideas will get considered, it sets an expectation. I think it's much better for a Dev to see a specific suggestion in their forum section and consider it for a future change/update etc.
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I also need to add on my concerns with Suggestions Forum based on previous titles I have worked on.
 
Player suggestions being implemented in the way they are suggested is very rare. I have seen people write 20 page suggestions, detailing incredible content (from epic quests to zones) and small suggestions of a single post (new emote, costume etc) and they very rarely get implemented, no matter how good they are.
 
Having a "Suggestions Forum" gives the idea that those ideas will get considered, it sets an expectation. I think it's much better for a Dev to see a specific suggestion in their forum section and consider it for a future change/update etc.
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Devs listen all the time, that's where feedback changes and *some* ideas get implemented.
 
But the vast majority of forum Suggestions won't ever make it in. Either because they require a lot more work than folks know, they don't match up with content/lore/creative plans or ideas, or they just wouldn't be good for the game.
 
I think the current process, like Victoria Rachel above remarks, is best. People can post suggestions in the relevant subforum where the devs are more likely to see it.	
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			What forum would you suggest for a request/suggestion relating to the game's dye system? I put one in the economy and tradeskill board because it seemed like a good match for the vibe I get in there, but there doesn't seem to be a board directly associated with cosmetic/dress up/character art aspects of the game.	
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What forum would you suggest for a request/suggestion relating to the game's dye system? I put one in the economy and tradeskill board because it seemed like a good match for the vibe I get in there, but there doesn't seem to be a board directly associated with cosmetic/dress up/character art aspects of the game.
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			I agree with the people who don't want a generalized Suggestions forum. The 'one stop shop' principle actually makes it harder for the right dev to find the relevant suggestion. None of the existing subforums (except General and PvP) see enough traffic that a good post will get quickly buried before a dev sees it, and the self sorting nature of things as they are now means the dev on the Econ team can focus primarily on that subforum and get what he needs instead of looking through pages of a general suggestion forum (and dealing with the fact that Wildstar Players are REALLY bad at coming up with good descriptive thread titles).	
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