122849-hypothetically-speaking

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*This is not a F2P/B2P/Sub argument thread, please don't derail*
 
So, Say for example Protostar came to Nexus with a commodity shop. What sort of quality of life improvements/items would you like to see? I'm curious to see peoples thoughts on this. 
 
​For me I'd kind of like to see some way to remove runes from gear instead of just destroying them.
 
More costume slots would be cool as well as other action sets maybe?
 
New mounts?
 
Housing pets?	
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For the sake of discussion:
 
Mounts
Pets
Dye
Path Change
Faction Change
Class Change
Gender Change	
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Would this be real money or game money?
 
Yes, being able to swap runes instead of destroying them would be awesome.
More costumes(Torine, Draken Huntress, Artemis Zen coat and glasses, formal wear, work uniforms, plain shirts that don't have belts, tank tops, provocative wear)	
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Would this be real money or game money?
 
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			Mounts, give me all those epic looking mounts \o/ 	
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Gender Change
Faction Change
Race Change
Mounts
 
these are my top ones. Although really, why would anyone play something other than a female Draken?	
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*This is not a F2P/B2P/Sub argument thread, please don't derail*
 
So, Say for example Protostar came to Nexus with a commodity shop. What sort of quality of life improvements/items would you like to see? I'm curious to see peoples thoughts on this. 
 
​For me I'd kind of like to see some way to remove runes from gear instead of just destroying them.
 
More costume slots would be cool as well as other action sets maybe?
 
New mounts?
 
Housing pets?
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I am sorry but I don't buy the "this is not a free to play discussion" disclaimer. specially when you noted in another thread. 
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I am sorry but I don't buy the "this is not a free to play discussion" disclaimer. specially when you noted in another thread.
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WoW is pay to play and has a mount shop.
 
I have not bought anything from the mount shop yet in WoW, but I missed the Holiday sale where the Fey Dragon was 12.50$. God... that mount looks smexy. 
 
 
I would absolutely drop 25$ for an Iron Horde wolf as well:
 
If Wildstar had mounts that looked like this, and they were gated behind $$$, I would pay for them. I mean, what's the point of making more and more money IRL if you can't use them to pay for things that show how much disposable income you have IRL?
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That may be so but that discussion is for that thread alone. Any thread that is about F2P always derails into the same topic and same arguments. I want to try and make the thread as constructive and effective as possible so I don't want to begin talking about "why do we even need a cash shop", "Cash shop=pay to win" etc. There is no need for it hence I have tried to be vague in that aspect while drawing focus on the main topic to discuss :). Pretty sure people are smart enough to see through it anyway without having to point it out and link a discussion in a different thread. 
 
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i would want....
 
BiS legendary items
pvp rating
teleportation stones er something so i could go where ever
faction swap
race swap
attunement key
level ups	
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I think the attunement key would have to be locked so you can only get it if you are attuned on another character otherwise it might be a little too much. That said I think it is a pain for new people to be able to get attuned now since there are much less people around who need it.
 
The teleporter is something I had thought of as well. Like you can set up your own waypoint in the world anywhere and have the ability to teleport there, maybe like a 20 min cool down but it would mean for something like a specific farming run it would be much less hassle. 
 
I think BiS items is a no go however. Maybe a pre-runed gear set that sits just a little below the dungeon reward gear so that dungeons would be a little easier for people. I personally only began runing my gear once I was getting into raids so I think there could be a potential bridge across that maybe?
 
I think if path change was allowed, everyone would go technologist for the summon ;)	
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			Auto-regenerate the sprint meter in midair if you're not actually sprinting.	
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			A god mode button I could press that would make my fellow raid members play godly!	
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hypothetically speaking I am done with wildstar when it goes cash shop and free2play
I have been down that road before and it is not a journey I wish to take again.
 
 
 
*waves at Carbine*
It may be hard to tell sometimes but I love this game :D	
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hypothetically speaking I am done with wildstar when it goes cash shop and free2play
I have been down that road before and it is not a journey I wish to take again.
 
 
 
*waves at Carbine*
It may be hard to tell sometimes but I love this game :D
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Mounts
maybe a one time unlock of ability/amp
Pristine keys
costume sets	
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I think the attunement key would have to be locked so you can only get it if you are attuned on another character otherwise it might be a little too much. That said I think it is a pain for new people to be able to get attuned now since there are much less people around who need it.
 
The teleporter is something I had thought of as well. Like you can set up your own waypoint in the world anywhere and have the ability to teleport there, maybe like a 20 min cool down but it would mean for something like a specific farming run it would be much less hassle. 
 
I think BiS items is a no go however. Maybe a pre-runed gear set that sits just a little below the dungeon reward gear so that dungeons would be a little easier for people. I personally only began runing my gear once I was getting into raids so I think there could be a potential bridge across that maybe?
 
I think if path change was allowed, everyone would go technologist for the summon ;)
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			I disagree with the notion of this thread on principal. Please, let's not give them any more ideas than they probably already have.	
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*This is not a F2P/B2P/Sub argument thread, please don't derail*
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This really isnt a F2P Vs Sub thread. Dolled up as it is, this is about things we would like to see in game as extras.
 
I was thinking last night it would be cool to have it as a strictly C.R.E.D.D shop. You can buy shop tokens but only with C.R.E.D.D. This might actually increase the amount of C.R.E.D.D being sold and give a very nice return to Carbine to invest in the game.
 
1 C.R.E.D.D exchanges to 100 Proto-Points (or something).
A mount for example costs 70 Proto - Points.
Other stuff like things to remove all runes from a piece of gear costs like 10 Proto-Points. 
 
At least like this it is sort of like a hybrid cash shop that you can still use in game currency for but it still relies on people buying C.R.E.D.D to function.	
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This really isnt a F2P Vs Sub thread. Dolled up as it is, this is about things we would like to see in game as extras.
 
I was thinking last night it would be cool to have it as a strictly C.R.E.D.D shop. You can buy shop tokens but only with C.R.E.D.D. This might actually increase the amount of C.R.E.D.D being sold and give a very nice return to Carbine to invest in the game.
 
1 C.R.E.D.D exchanges to 100 Proto-Points (or something).
A mount for example costs 70 Proto - Points.
Other stuff like things to remove all runes from a piece of gear costs like 10 Proto-Points. 
 
At least like this it is sort of like a hybrid cash shop that you can still use in game currency for but it still relies on people buying C.R.E.D.D to function.
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No to anything you can pay cash for except CREDD.
 
A reasonable discussion might be what stuff you should be able to purchase with gold.
 
(I didn't play WoW when it had a cash shop. I'm sure I'd have been upset when they put in a cash shop if I were playing it at the time it happened).	
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This really isnt a F2P Vs Sub thread. Dolled up as it is, this is about things we would like to see in game as extras.
 
I was thinking last night it would be cool to have it as a strictly C.R.E.D.D shop. You can buy shop tokens but only with C.R.E.D.D. This might actually increase the amount of C.R.E.D.D being sold and give a very nice return to Carbine to invest in the game.
 
1 C.R.E.D.D exchanges to 100 Proto-Points (or something).
A mount for example costs 70 Proto - Points.
Other stuff like things to remove all runes from a piece of gear costs like 10 Proto-Points. 
 
At least like this it is sort of like a hybrid cash shop that you can still use in game currency for but it still relies on people buying C.R.E.D.D to function.
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*This is not a F2P/B2P/Sub argument thread, please don't derail*
 
So, Say for example Protostar came to Nexus with a commodity shop. What sort of quality of life improvements/items would you like to see? I'm curious to see peoples thoughts on this. 
 
​For me I'd kind of like to see some way to remove runes from gear instead of just destroying them.
 
More costume slots would be cool as well as other action sets maybe?
 
New mounts?
 
Housing pets?
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I know I would not spend real money on CREDD to get gold to buy a mount when I could farm the gold myself, however long that took. But I would spend money on a cash-shop mount if it was the only way to get said mount. There are likely other people in the same boat.
 
Just something to think about when discussing alternate revenue streams for Carbine.	
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Travis can get his Highwayman's Boots.
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I know I would not spend real money on CREDD to get gold to buy a mount when I could farm the gold myself, however long that took. But I would spend money on a cash-shop mount if it was the only way to get said mount. There are likely other people in the same boat.
 
Just something to think about when discussing alternate revenue streams for Carbine.
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You got to ask yourself this: If the lure of loyalty perks is as shallow as this, is there a lure at all, or is loyalty to a product not worth rewarding. Would in fact a full blown cash-shop make better money than entizing customers to stay?
 
At least from every business I've looked at, it's MUCH cheaper retaining customers than getting new ones.
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			I don't think there should be any housing stuff available for sale, as having another way to get those items might devalue the Architect crafting profession.	
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Actually somewhat untrue.  WoW has, as we've seen, hovered around having 10 million players according to the reports I've heard, give or take.  They also, a while ago, advertised they'd had over 100 million players.  That's a huge amount of turnaround even in the best known MMORPG on the planet.  I assume less than 1% of their active players were there during launch and have stayed the entire length of development.  
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Much less than 1% if you believe the outcry that happened when they sent a loyalty WoW action figure to people that had been with them (almost) uninterrupted during the 10 years lol. Should Travis also be allowed to buy that from a cash shop?
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Why not?  My character's name is inscribed on a stone monument in Iceland from my EVE days, that doesn't make me feel any happier.  I mean, if someone would like to personally speak up and say they would never want to have any new player be able to purchase the Highwayman's costume set, the time would be now.  I don't personally argue against hypothetical people that may or may not exist.
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It undermines the value of those rewards. I know in World of Warcraft the ability to do mog runs tarnishes the value of previous armor sets, to the point where you can only really trust time-locked mounts or titles to capture the awe of a player who was ahead of the curve. Granted, loyalty rewards aren't really on the same level personally since I believe anyone can pay a sub so the exclusivity isn't as meaningful to me, but to some people loyalty rewards matter on the same level.
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I've certainly never seen someone break out their highwayman's costume in order to show people how long they've been in the game. 
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			I want to give a BoP piece of gear to a Protostar guy, who will run it through a machine that removes all its stats, turns it into a white item, and unbinds it. I can then mail this brand new costume piece to my alts, or put it on the AH. Because holy cats, some of the new skins are so amazing and I'm just always on the wrong character. I hate having to salvage such pretty things (especially weapons) all the time.	
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The game is still young. Who knows where things will be in 5 years?
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If they implement the system I recommended in the next few months, it won't be a problem in five years.  It might be a long-term issue, but it's a short-term problem if those items go on the block.  And, again, as I said, I haven't seen anyone yet that is personally against it.
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I meant that five years down the road people might have a greater concern who actual veterans of the game are.
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			I don't think there should be a cash shop along side of a sub model (I've seen where that leads) but that being said, I'd love to see the introduction of Path changes and Race changes (including faction changes). I can understand and support a small fee (meaning <$10) for the race/faction changes, but believe path changes should be added to the game as a form of a one-time only quest which resets your path back to 0.	
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I want to give a BoP piece of gear to a Protostar guy, who will run it through a machine that removes all its stats, turns it into a white item, and unbinds it. I can then mail this brand new costume piece to my alts, or put it on the AH. Because holy cats, some of the new skins are so amazing and I'm just always on the wrong character. I hate having to salvage such pretty things (especially weapons) all the time.
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I'd be down for Carbine allowing a $20 path change. Not from a gameplay standpoint, but the financial shot in the arm :)
 
I imagine everyone (except for a few stubborn settlers) would change to scientist immediately and just about double income for a month for Carbine.	
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