Report 782

Report #782
Skillset: Tinkering Skill: Roseglasses
 Org: Harbingers Status: Completed Feb 2012
Furies' Decision:
We believe this report has already been implemented and choose to make no
further changes.
Problem: Tinkering's Roseglasses fall short in terms of general usefulness for
bards. The glasses reduce ego costs for self-initiated abilities by 25% for the
tinkerer. This does not apply to ego exerted while debating or influencing
however, and neither for other dramatics abilities. Ego use actively expended
for our abilities is fairly minimal as is. The glasses have no use unto
themselves - where in comparison their counterpart in Spellcraft, the MagiCrown,
is an enchanted item with bonus charges.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Roseglasses should do what they claim to do - reduce
 all ego expended by the wearer, which would include
 influencing, dramatics, and user initiated debate
 attacks.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Omit debating and psionics from the above.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3: Make them work for mana instead, just like the
 magiCrown.
Player Comments:
---[Talan on 2/9 @ 17:50 writes]:
The MagiCrown's mana reduction has a lot more general utility as well as combat
utility than its counterpart in Roseglasses at the present moment. I think
solution 1 is pretty reasonable, considering the impact that MagiCrown has as
far as clotting and focusing, and all the various passives that use mana - most
of which (but not all) are reduced by the crown. Either way, Roseglasses seem
lame in comparison. I was throwing around ideas for a suitable effect for the
glasses as well (since the crown doubles as an enchantment). Enchantment
wouldn't work for tinkering since all the tinkerings are so specific to the
objects they can be enchanted upon. Even something as simple as +1 cha would be
nice, but this is kind of an afterthought. The omissions for reduced ego use are
the focus of this report.
---[Akui on 2/9 @ 21:56 writes]:
Debate attacks should definitely be excluded from this. Debating can be wonky
and lopsided enough without tinkers running around with such an advantage.
Also, not a fan of increasing charisma further for the same reason. If they
require additional utility, maybe having them work like a mini Mask of Esteemed
Beauty, or let them work like a focus enchant.
---[Sidd on 2/10 @ 16:39 writes]:
If MagiCrowns affect all types of mana use, then I feel that roseglasses should
be given the same benefit of affecting all ego use, especially since they don't
double as an enchantment. I don't really see an issue with debating because
debate attacks grow the longer you debate, and being observant to patterns is
really what's going to win it for you, not an ego reduction from attacks. Yeah
you'll have an edge, but not an insurmountable one.
---[Xenthos on 2/11 @ 01:40 writes]:
I disagree with it affecting debating. A percentage reduction means that while
the debate attacks grow larger each time, they grow at a slower rate for one
side than the other. That's a very significant buff to an important aspect of
the game which just isn't reasonable. Further, it should -not- affect ego costs
associated with Psionics (if someone goes bard, gets the spectacles, and then
skillflexes back to Mage). If it does not affect debating and does not affect
psionics use, including Forcefield, then I am good with this.
---[Shedrin on 2/11 @ 04:02 writes]:
I agree with Xenthos. Exclude debating and psionics, otherwise it's fine.
---[Tacita on 2/11 @ 18:12 writes]:
I have adjusted Solution 2 to include psionics on top of debating, to prevent
the situation Xenthos has described.
---[Alacardael on 2/12 @ 13:15 writes]:
Agreed with Solution 2, and maybe Akui's idea of making it a mini-Mask of
Esteemed Beauty. Maybe a 10% increase (the Mask increases by 25%, I think?).
---[Shuyin on 2/13 @ 01:51 writes]:
Solution 2 is fine by me, though I like the mini-mask idea in the comments as
well
---[Rika on 2/13 @ 19:50 writes]:
Solution 2 sounds good. Also like the mask idea.
---[Rivius on 2/15 @ 04:53 writes]:
Solution 2.
---[Ushaara on 2/17 @ 16:29 writes]:
Solution 2 preferred.
---[Viynain on 2/17 @ 21:59 writes]:
Solution 2.
---[Llandros on 2/17 @ 23:20 writes]:
Solution 2
---[Xynthin on 2/19 @ 21:44 writes]:
Given the the fact this was already completed and implemented, I just want to
put in comments that I do like the idea of it giving a minor esteem boost as
well (5-10% more). I feel this is appropriate because mana reduction (from
MagiCrown) is more useful on a wider variety of things in both PvP and PvE than
ego reduction. It's also not a boost that will be particularly overpowered or
strong, but would be a nice perk.
---[Sidd on 2/20 @ 14:47 writes]:
Does solution 2 mean that it won't reduce ego damage from psyvamp? I disagree
with it not affecting debating still, People already have advantages that others
don't when it comes to debating, why is adding one more a big deal?