Candidates for deletion/Talk Page Archive

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==Abyss of Yhe (page retained)==
I’d argue for keeping this page here as a stub. I'm not familiar with the source material, and whilst there isn’t any information given which can’t be found elsewhere, it is a location relevant to the mythos which may be expanded upon by editors with more knowledge on the subject. TheSmoog78 (talk) 20:37, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
:I agree that the location can be kept as its own page for the reasons listed above. Yhe itself is mentioned in other articles such as the place where Cthylla is hidden away guarded by Deep Ones and other minions, and the *Rituals of Yhe* is a known grimoire in the Mythos. Perhaps these can be consolidated to expand the Abyss of Yhe page. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 06:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
==Alucard (page removed)==
I have to say I agree that this page should go. Vampires don’t seem very Lovecraftian to me, and I don’t see anything on the page that would suggest it was in any way inspired by Lovecraftiana. TheSmoog78 (talk) 20:38, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
==An Age Undreamed Of (page retained)==
I think this one should stay. Sure, it’s only connected to the Hyborian Age, but the Hyborian Age has been incorporated into the larger Mythos.TheSmoog78 (talk) 13:08, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
:I agree it should stay. As noted above, there is the connection to the Hyborian Age, plus the story features Kulan Gath. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 08:49, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
==And Here There Be -- Demons! (page retained)==
If the N'Garai are offspring of Cthon, then this really should qualify for this wiki. TheSmoog78 (talk) 13:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
: The story features both the N'Garai and inter-dimensional shenanigans. Sounds like it fits the wiki perfectly! MDGeistMD02 (talk) 08:52, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
==Anti-Spiral (page removed) ==
Though it's still early days for this candidate, I would like to offer my stance on the removal of the Anti-Spiral and its associated Gallery Page from the wiki. From the article itself, the Anti-Spiral seems to have an impressive array of powers of multi-dimensional/multiversal levels. This alone puts it on a level with Azathoth. 
The being also seems to have a malicious intent in such that it wishes to purge their race of spiral energy. Most of the Anti-Spiral's powers seem to come from technology and the leader itself is the physical manifestation of the Anti-Spiral consciousness. While that sounds pretty impressive, and compared to mankind it is, this level of power doesn't seem unique to the Anti-Spiral itself. 
Over the course of the story, a human/Spiral named Simon grows from a kid to the leader of Team Dai-Gurren and winds up blowing a hole through the Anti-Spiral. While formidable from the perspective of our own universe, this seems rather anti-climatic in the series. The Anti-Spiral itself shows up in Episode 26 and is destroyed the very next one in Episode 27. Since entire races seem to have this level of power, nothing about the Anti-Spiral really stands out other than it was a pretty tough enemy as one of their race but one that is still quickly beaten.
With the above taken into account, I would be more than willing to see the two pages associated with the Anti-Spiral be removed from our wiki. A creature with the power of Azathoth loses its grandiosity when everyone has that level of power. If others have counterpoints I would gladly read them over. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 03:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
==Apophis (page removed)==
Apep has always been one of my more favored evil beings especially in rpgs that I have participated in over the years. I also really like the artwork of Apophis swallowing that star system on his page. That all aside, I don't think this page belongs on this wiki and support the effort for deleting it.
Unless I'm misreading it, this is just a page about Apophis in the real-world Ancient Egyptian pantheon matching up with Wikipedia's page of the same name. If this was instead about Apep from Dungeons and Dragons, Marvel Comics's Apep, or a creation of Robert E. Howard for the Conan universe, I'd be more than willing to see this page stay as part of our wiki.
As it stands, though, this is just an End of Days type being from real world myths, similar to Loki bringing about Ragnarok or the cry "The Great God Pan is Dead!" signalling the end of the Greek gods. We don't have those on this wiki and, therefore, I don't really see the need for the Apophis page. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 05:39, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
==Arachnitect (page removed) ==
Sorry, but to me, there’s nothing Lovecraftian about a bunch of space robots, and as there’s no Mythos connection, I’d have to agree that this doesn’t belong here. TheSmoog78 (talk) 13:22, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
==Camarilla of the N'Garai (page retained)==
I think this one should stay, as they are their own entity, and while they sought help from the N'Garai, they’re not slaves or servants to them. As we have pages for other servitor species/cults, I believe this warrants it’s own. TheSmoog78 (talk) 21:14, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
==Chaos Cascade (page retained)==
I’d argue that this should stay. It’s an expanded Mythos story, and there's no reason that it should be treated differently to any other. I’m not against linking to the Marvel Database for certain things, but this is a site for all things Mythos, so I don’t see why we need to get rid of it. TheSmoog78 (talk) 22:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
:I agree to keep this as well. Chthon is one of the prime evils there, comparable to Nyarlathotep. This is a Marvel universe story equivalent of Nyarlathotep possessing a hero and his comrades trying to stop him from opening some gateway allowing Nyarlathotep's kith and kin onto Earth. I think it should stay. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 22:06, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
==Curse of the Mutants (page removed)==
There’s really not enough information on this one to be able to form any meaningful opinion. If R'llyeh is an actual part of the story, then I’d say it’s a keeper, but if it’s the case of "a bunch of vampires, some of whom happened to be from R'llyeh" then I reckon it should go.TheSmoog78 (talk) 08:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
== The Death Song of Kulan Gath (page retained)==
I’m of a mind this one should stay. Conan seems to be pretty well-established in the hostorical Cthulhu Mythos, as is Red Sonja. Given that they all inhabit a shared universe with the CM, I don’t see any reason why one of their antagonists shouldn’t be included. TheSmoog78 (talk) 20:50, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
==Disciples of Dagon (page retained)==
I’d argue that this deserves a place here: as Conan and Dagon/Deep Ones aren’t commonly linked together, this page shows one of their relationships. If every encounter Conan has with a Mythos entity is listed on his own page, it’d quickly become a novel, and same goes for the Deep One/Dagon pages. But that’s just my two cents! TheSmoog78 (talk) 21:47, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
:I'm also in favor of this article remaining. I can the reasoning behind the Deletion Tag that was first put on the page, but I disagree that this particular page should be removed. If the group was some random cult of Yet-Another-Demon-Icus or a battle with a one-off villain called The Great Mage Poof-Begone I'd agree; however the group is both a cult of Dagon and showcases our favorite Cimmerian battling Deep Ones.
: Taking Conan out of the equation, this cult would definitely get a spot on this wiki on its own merits. Having Ron E Howard's classic barbarian protagonist go up against them is just one more reason to keep this article here - in my opinion at least. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 06:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
==Elder God (IDW Comics) (page merged with Elder Gods page)==
I personally think this page should stay since they are different from the Elder Gods covered on the other page. AllisonTaylor41 (talk) 20:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
==Getter Emperor (page removed)==
I didn't know this character, so aside what is listed on it's own page, I did a little research outside of our wiki. From my understanding, this being is a living mechanical entity that absorbs matter and makes itself bigger, eventually becoming galaxy-sized some time in the future. And that's about it...
Therefore, I'm wondering why this page would be included on our wiki. From the research I've done as well as information on it's own page, the Getter Emperor isn't some malevolent force/being with some alien mind or purpose. It just makes itself bigger. I guess if you're in the way then you'll be destroyed, but it doesn't go out of its way to harm people. In fact at one point humanity seems to work with this being and even gets it to help them fight some alien invasion of creatures that the humans themselves can't seem to beat. 
Numerous aliens see it as a threat, but from what little I read it seems more like it's because the Getter Emperor is more powerful than them as opposed to it eventually destroying everything. Please note that on this latter I am not really sure, but humanity seems to have no problem with it, so I don't see what the issue with the thing's existence is.
Anyway, while I'm happy to hear other people's points of view, I'm be more than willing to see this page go. It's not some Horror of Cosmic proportions with incomprehensible and vile machinations. Nor is it some idiot god at the center of the universe whose dreams can erase mankind as well as existence itself. Rather, the Getter Emperor is just a big ol' mechanic being that's getting bigger.
MDGeistMD02 (talk) 03:56, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
:Well, while I agree that Getter Emperror is likely not an abomination (the end of Getter Go manga implies that the purpose of Getter Ray is ultimately comprehensible to human's mind, and there's nothing to fear once one understand it) although it's hard to say for sure now that Ken Ishikawa is dead. That being said, it has as much right to stay here as much as Anti-Spiral ("The only conceivable link to the Mythos of these stories is that the Anti-Spiral is on the same sort of power level as Azathoth."). Make no mistake, I would rather see both pages gone.My girlfriend was a loli. 07:29, 5 December 2021 (UTC) 
::I can see that and agree with your summation regarding the Anti-Spiral. I've investigated it a bit and will leave a summary below with it's own topic heading. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 03:21, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
==Gog-Hoor (page retained)==
I know precisely nothing about this monster, but I think this warrants further investigation. It has an entry in the Malleus Monstrorum, and seems to have been featured in a story published in The Children of Cthulhu. In my opinion, even if it did start out as a fanmade creation (as the deletion tag claims), it appears to have been canonized at some point? As I said, though, I know nothing of this, so I could be wrong. -- BlueFrackle (talk) 13:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
==Human (page retained)==
I agree that it's a bit redundant to have the page list every human character, but don't think that it should be deleted. Humanity in the Mythos differs from real-world humanity in key ways (in terms of history etc.) that should be noted. - MugaSofer (talk) 14:58, July 13, 2020 (UTC)
: Surely the differences should be covered in individual story/character pages? As the Mythos is still being added to, attempting to track all of the differences in every Mythos story on one page is an exercise in futility in my opinion. Perhaps a page for "Humanity in Lovecraft's Own Works" might be better? TheSmoog78 (talk) 02:02, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
::If the differences are only covered in story/character pages, it'd be very difficult to find. It wouldn't hurt to have a page dedicated to humans, giving the differences between real humans and lovecrafts humans in lovecrafts own works, plus some notable works from other authors, even if we can't include all other authors yet. Besides, missing info from other works can always be added later. DasKänguru (talk) 14:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
==Krakoa (page removed)==
I’m afraid that I have to agree with whoever put the delete tag on this page, I really don’t feel that this is even tangentially related to our remit.
==Perse (page removed)==
It was argued that Perse should be deleted for lack of relevance, however, relevance shouldn't matter as long as they do have a stand. A lack of information shouldn't matter because Perse is of note and is seen in other Media.
:The lack of information was not an issue, the problem is that the page doesn't have a stand. As far as I can tell it has no relation to Lovecraft of the Cthulhu Mythos, and was not inspired by it. TheSmoog78 (talk) 08:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
== Phorcys (page retained)==
I think this one could stay. We could maybe keep it as a Mythos-Inspired gribbly. Even if the link through Set is a little tenuous, the creature itself appears to have taken at least some influence from the Mythos (maybe even from one of the Cthulhu films, but I haven’t seen them, only screenshots, so I may be wrong on that). TheSmoog78 (talk) 19:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
==Ramsey Campbell (page retained)==
In the category of Candidates for deletion, Ramsey Campbell's page should definitely not be - as a modern science fiction author of reknown, the page has scholarly and literary merit - there exists a shortage of concise and accurate information which this site provides. Please reconsider your idea to delete.
Thank you64.111.131.13 14:47, March 23, 2014 (UTC)Denise Cuevas
: I have no idea who flagged this. It's a very valuable article. LoreDudeRoth (talk) 23:18, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
==Red Sonja (page retained)==
I feel like this one should stay. She’s a native of Hyboria (which has been established as part of the Mythos), rubbed shoulders with Conan, and interacted with other heroes and villains related to the Mythos. Having said that, the article perhaps needs to emphasise these connections a little more. TheSmoog78 (talk) 16:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC) 
:It's hard to talk about Red Sonja and not see her intrinsically connected with Conan and Hyboria. Thus, I see no reason for her to be removed. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 05:09, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
==Siapep (page removed)==
This forty foot tall juggernaut has made only one appearance in all of Marvel Comics, that being Marvel Two-In-One Vol 1, #23. In the story, Siapep is summoned by Seth, the Heliopolitan deity of Death, to destroy Horus, Thor and the Thing. Siapep is a nigh unstoppable engine of destruction and quickly overwhelms the heroes. 
During the course of the story, the combatants do battle on the Golden Path, an interdimensional bridge leading to the realm of the Egyptian Gods below which was an endless Void (typical fare for the campiness of the 1970s comics). In typical Frankensteinian fashion, Seth loses control of the beast and it runs amok until the Thing has an idea to jump with Horus from the bridge. The creature leaps after them as Thor tosses his hammer to rescue the valiant pair of heroes. Siapep, however, cannot fly and is presumably lost in the Void still to this day.
For an end-world being, Siapep was rather easily defeated due to the bridge and the endless Void. He has never returned to vex the heroes again and aside from being superhumanly strong and nigh indestructible, had no other powers. Don't get me wrong, I love the comic and character, but Siapep is in no way equivalent to one of the Great Old Ones or other similar beings. He's a typical siege engine-like monstrosity who requires the heroes to think a bit in order to defeat. 
Additionally, in all my research I could find no reference to this creature being related to Set, the Elder God. Seth, the Heliopolitan deity which commands Siapep for a small amount of time, is a different entity more on the scale of Thor than Cthulhu. If anyone has other evidence linking Siapep to the Marvel Comics elder god, Set I would ask to see it. If such is not available, then I believe the page should be removed from the wiki as it really doesn't have a place here. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 04:05, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
==Snake Clan (page retained)==
I think that this should probably stay here. If they’re direct descendants of Set, who appears to be directly integrated into the expanded mythos canon, then the fact that they’re a distinct species gives them a place here in my opinion TheSmoog78 (talk) 11:26, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
==Summanus (page retained)==
Summanus was included in older edition of Malleus Monstrorum as a Great Old One.My girlfriend was a loli. 12:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks for the information, I don’t have access to that book. I’ll remove the deletion template now. TheSmoog78 (talk) 17:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
==Ur-Dragon (page removed)==
I haven't played Magic: the Gathering for a bit and had to do a bit of research regarding this creature. From what I understand, the description we have here closely mimics that of what is available elsewhere, save that there is also mention of a Scion of the Ur-Dragon who feels a close bond with the draconic deity.
To me, this reads as high fantasy. Within the universe of M:tG, the dragons get their power from the Ur-Dragon who is an absolute being beyond time and space. I've seen similar histories/beings in other fantasy worlds. What I'm not seeing is any real connection to the Mythos, either directly or with a parallel origin. The Ur-Dragon doesn't seem to be some evil presense or Cosmic Horror seeking to subvert mankind or drive worshippers to madness. There's no evidence of malice or horror in anything he's doing/has done. He's simply (from my understanding) the source of power for the dragons within the M:tG universe.
There seems to be an online game wherein the Ur-Dragon is an optional endgame boss, but again there doesn't seem to be any plot or hint indicating he's a universal cosmic entity bent on malicious purpose. As it stands, I'm not seeing why this character was added to the wiki other than he's some ultra-powerful deity beyond the ken of man. Numerous other fantasy worlds have beings such as that, but not all of them fall within the scope of Cosmic Horror and I feel the same to be true of the Ur-Dragon.
My opinion: he could be cut from the wiki without any loss on our part. If others have more viable info to share as to why he should remain here I will be glad to listen to them. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 02:51, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
==Vhoorl (page retained)==
This Page should Not Be deleted yet
This Link should not be deleted https://lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Vhoorl i say this because according to the Cult of Cthulhu Bible, written by Venger Satanis, That Vhoorl is the planet in which Nagoob and Yog-Sothoth "Mated" and brought forth Cthulhu. I am Currently doing more research about this and will delete if I am wrong.
Cthulhu Fhtagn 
76.10.203.66 16:35, December 10, 2019 (UTC)Anon
:I believe it became candidate for deletion was because of a lack of content. If think it has enough significance to warrant its own pae, I'll invite you to do it on the page itself. (no offense intended). Thank you for your particpation.RingoRoadagain (talk) 18:00, December 10, 2019 (UTC)
==Wanda Maximoff (page retained)==
Wanda Maximoff has gone through a few odd iterations over the years. However, a few things are consistent: she gained her powers at Mount Wundagore, which is the site at which Cthon created the Darkhold (basically she gained powers at the place where Marvel's Super-Necronomicon was written), and she continues to come into the gravity of Cthon's orbit. He's important enough to be a page here, and as much power as the Scarlet Witch has absorbed via her connection to him, I believe she should continue to have her own page. 
It'd be different if this was Pietro (Quicksilver) as he has never exhibited any super-natural powers, but Wanda had consistently over the years, interacting with such beings as Agatha Harkness, Nicholas Scratch, and the Salem's Seven. I think simply lumping her in on Cthon's page would be a disservice to the character. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 10:58, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
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