Report 206

Report #206
Skillset: Skill: Ripple
 Org: Cacophony Status: Completed Jun 2009
Furies' Decision:
Moving while stunned is a bug. To be fixed.
Problem: Liveforest has a rather large advantage over ripple in that it can also
break up groups. In group fights keeping your group together is essential to
keep the group members alive and to maintain the killing power needed to take
down avatars or similar sized groups of opponents. Currently, liveforest means
that virtually anytime a hostile group moves someone will be left behind.
Turning unity on just makes the group practically unable to move at all. With
ripple a hostile group can move around freely as long as the group leader is not
personally stunned.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Give ripple a sprawl affect that can stop people from
 following.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Change stun so that people who are stunned are no
 longer able to move when following
Player Comments:
---[Alban on 6/16 @ 01:56 writes]:
It seems to me that it would make more sense to nerf Liveforest than to buff
ripple since raiding Ethereal is already extremely difficult. That being said,
out of these two solutions, solution 1 looks more desirable, since it pertains
only to ripple and would be less likely to impact anything else.
---[Nienla on 6/16 @ 02:16 writes]:
To be truthful, Liveforest doesn't exactly stop you from following. Unlike Flux,
which literally scatters a group. Liveforest is simply entangle and damage.
While I agree Liveforest is in need of rebalancing, I don't agree with either of
these solutions for Ripple. It's stun is strong and balanced, it's just
Liveforest that needs a look at
---[Ceren on 6/16 @ 02:19 writes]:
I'd be up for a liveforest nerf instead of ripple buff. Any ideas in mind?
---[Llandros on 6/16 @ 14:29 writes]:
Not writhing in a druid demense is a fantastic way to get yourself killed.
---[Ceren on 6/17 @ 07:33 writes]:
I feel like there's some strange misconception connecting "To be truthful,
Liveforest doesn't exactly stop you from following." and "Not writhing in a
druid demense is a fantastic way to get yourself killed.", but let there be no
doubt, webbing does in fact stop you from following, regardless of whether you
throw yourself off balance by writhing.
---[Nejii on 6/20 @ 02:34 writes]:
Buffing ripple is actually a better choice than nerfing liveforest, but in any
case #2 sounds vaguely like a bug report so I wonder if we shouldn't go for that
one.
---[Krellan on 6/25 @ 22:56 writes]:
Ceren, while normal entanglements do stop following, I am fairly sure that
liveforest will not as long as you don't writhe it and are off balance from
writhing. It's been awhile since I raided an ethereal plane and I wish it
wouldn't cost 400 power to test and confirm once and for all. Both solutions
sound unnecessary and bad by the way. These discretionary powers are no longer
free
---[Ceren on 6/27 @ 14:31 writes]:
Liveforest is entangle just like web; why would it be any different? Also, maybe
I'm missing something, but why is 'discretionary powers are no longer free' an
argument against upgrading them?
---[Ceren on 6/27 @ 14:33 writes]:
I don't want to say I'm absolutely positive because I'd hate to have to swallow
that on the teeny tiny chance that I'm wrong, but from experience I'm 99.9% sure
that the entangle itself from liveforest stops following.