Meeting:20140518/minutes

JosephHawk
Are you going to vote for Muchacha?
3:40
AW10
I am currently neutral, but I haven't fully considered his request yet
3:42
JosephHawk
Have you voted? (if so, I didn't notice )
3:43
AW10
not yet
soon
3:43
JosephHawk
I know AMK said he is going to stay neutral or oppose
3:45
AW10
I will be back in 15 minutes
3:46
JosephHawk
okay
see you then
3:56
AMK152Bot
hellohello
Welcome to the SpongeBobia Wiki chat 
3:56
AMK152Bot
hello
3:58
JosephHawk
Hello!
JCM has joined the chat. 
3:58
JosephHawk
I told SpongeBob456 to come
He was about to go to bed though
3:59
AMK152Bot
hold on, be back in like 5 min
4:00
JosephHawk
alright
4:01
AMK152Bot
back
i guess we will just wait for AW10
AW10 has joined the chat. 
4:01
JosephHawk
he's here!
4:01
AW10
I am here
4:01
AMK152Bot
I know Zeo is busy right now
ok, it looks like it is just 4 of us
ready?
4:02
AW10
yes
4:02
AMK152Bot
Joseph, I do this by numbering each topic and we discuss each one. I will make a summary at the end
1. Aftermath of 120d situation
I believe things have improved; there are more new users and more community involvement now
4:03
JosephHawk
definitely. A calm has come over the wiki
4:03
AMK152Bot
the only concern is people are still angry at 120d
and 120d is more tolerable
we just need to watch out for anything that may go too far... I have closed discussions that get worked up over little things
like the main page deletion
we just need to end those as soon as we can and tell people to stop... block them for a little bit if they continue to push the topic
we need stability/friendliness in order to get into the spotlight
any other thoughts on this?
4:06
JosephHawk
How bad are we suffering from the conflicts?
4:06
AMK152Bot
not as bad as we were when 120d was administrator
4:06
JosephHawk
But we aren't doing as well as we could be
4:07
AMK152Bot
that's why we need to end little arguments before they go too far
4:07
AW10
I think that we should out this behind, there is no point in bringing it back
put*
4:07
JosephHawk
Agreed.
4:07
AMK152Bot
as we move away, things will improve, it will just be time... but as we focus on other things, it will be all behind us...
moving on...
2. Status at SpongeBob Fanon wiki
currently, JCM has a proposal going to demote 5 bureaucrats that are the least controversial demotions
4:08
JCM
Yes
4:08
JosephHawk
Unfortunately, I am unfamiliar with what is going on there.
Was it people were abusing their powers?
4:08
AMK152Bot
1 of them has already resigned (William Leonard)
4:08
JCM
that proposal has already been approved
4:08
AMK152Bot
have you contacted Wikia?
4:09
JCM
Yes
4:09
AMK152Bot
ok
what the next step there at the Fanon wiki?
4:09
JCM
I'd like to change the logo next
4:09
AMK152Bot
ok
4:09
JCM
AW10 offered to do so at the last meeting
4:09
AW10
I have been thinking, if all admins is gone, what will be teh state of the fanon wiki
4:09
JCM
We still have six bureaucrats
4:10
AMK152Bot
is Ponyo still active at the Fanon wiki?
Spongebob456 has joined the chat. 
4:10
AMK152Bot
hello
4:10
JosephHawk
Hey Bob!
Glad you could make it
4:10
JCM
Not really @AMK
4:10
Spongebob456
Wow - why the different chat? o.o
4:10
AMK152Bot
so we aren't interrupted
4:10
JosephHawk
secrecy 
4:11
Spongebob456
oic
4:11
AW10
I was asking, if we ignore admins, how bad are the other problems?
4:11
AMK152Bot
overall, I think the Fanon wiki is in a much better state than it was 3 weeks ago
4:11
JCM
The other problems aren't too bad
Right now, I'm concerned about the logo
4:12
AW10
We can either do some variation of ESB logo, or create completely new logo
4:12
AMK152Bot
and drop the wiki part
just SpongeBob Fanon
4:12
JCM
Yeah, you can make it like SpongeBob Answers, but replace "Answers" with "Fanon"
4:13
AMK152Bot
yeah
4:13
JCM
I designed the original logo to be similar to the main SpongeBob Wiki's, anyway
4:13
Spongebob456
I'll be watching guys but am doing college work - will reply when I can. 
4:13
AMK152Bot
ok
with JCM taking the lead on proposals at the Fanon wiki, I believe just focusing on improving the Fanon wiki will ultimately move it in another direction
4:14
AW10
I have been thinkin with adding to logo to this background cropped
http://www.google.hr/imgres?imgurl=http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs10/i/2006/102/5/6/new_spongebob_drawing_book_by_spongefox.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.deviantart.com/morelikethis/31745734&h=769&w=600&tbnid=fs0WDwxpt93SdM:&zoom=1&docid=zLdlXnIgUzeJ_M&ei=TxR5U7e6FeqF4gTc0oBA&tbm=isch&ved=0CD4QMyg2MDY4ZA&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=791&page=7&start=153&ndsp=28
4:14
AMK152Bot
if a bureaucrat or admin gets abusive and starts to wreck things, that can be dealt with a demotion
4:14
JosephHawk
I like that image AW10
4:15
AMK152Bot
a new logo will also show the fanon community that the fanon wiki is moving away from it's problems
4:15
JosephHawk
what about a new background? The current one is very dark… and it only shows one corner
4:15
AMK152Bot
and then people can stop being negative and pessimistic
4:16
AW10
http://spongefan.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:74747#12
4:16
JosephHawk
okay, looks good
4:16
AW10
read my replys
4:17
AMK152Bot
sounds great
perhaps JCM could add that to the logo proposal?
4:17
AW10
yes
4:17
JCM
I don't have any background ideas of my own
4:18
AW10
I have just created a full concpet of the logo
4:19
AMK152Bot
sounds good
4:19
AW10
logo and multiple versions of the spongebob from the suggested picture intead of characters on ESB
4:20
AMK152Bot
JCM, are you going to make a proposal for the new logo?
4:20
AW10
it gives more fanon idea than just spongebo drawing
4:21
AMK152Bot
ok so it looks like JCM and AW10 have the fanon logo and background ideas covered, and a proposal can be made?
4:22
JCM
Yeah, I planned to replace the logo after AW10 finished it
4:22
AMK152Bot
cool
4:22
JCM
The logo and background changes were approved in my last proposal
4:23
AMK152Bot
ok
so there is some great progress at the Fanon wiki
next thing... 3. SpongeBobia (network)
I haven't really created a "creation document" (like one was done for SBU)
I think the network is more of something that will evolve
like these meetings covering ESB, Answers, and Fanon
since all the wikis are now working together more
I am not sure if I want to develop this wiki "spongebobia.wikia.com" to some sort of general information area
any thoughts on this, the network?
4:26
AW10
it can be wiki about network
4:26
AMK152Bot
yeah
4:26
AW10
all that is possible to be said annout it will be there
4:27
AMK152Bot
and these meetings will be network meetings
of course, as soon as the Fanon staff is more stable
4:27
JosephHawk
I support that...
4:27
AMK152Bot
so if you have any ideas for this wiki, go ahead and implement them. We can also discuss them later
I will give you all admin powers on this wiki as well
4:28
JosephHawk
is this a gradual thing?
4:28
AMK152Bot
yes
4:28
JosephHawk
gotcha
4:28
AMK152Bot
this network will be a gradual thing, in fact, it has been
from discussion to design, to users of both wikis visiting chats
as time goes on, we can see what we want to do to make the network better
4:29
Spongebob456
gtg
4:29
AMK152Bot
ok
4:29
JosephHawk
okay Bob
4:29
AMK152Bot
I will send you a summary
4:29
JosephHawk
see you later!
4:30
AMK152Bot
EXAMPLE: there are three chats (ESB, Fanon, and Answers)... perhaps we can have one page that links to all 3 chats on all 3 wikis
so people can choose which chat to go to no matter what wiki they are on
Spongebob456 has left the chat. 
4:30
AMK152Bot
any other thoughts on the network?
4:30
AW10
yes, and this will the main one
4:30
AMK152Bot
yeah
by far, this is a MUCH better approach than SBU
4:31
JCM
Well, the fanon chat is still controversial due to objections by Rarity
4:31
AMK152Bot
JCM: why doesn't Rarity want the 2 chats to co-exist?
4:32
JCM
Because he thinks letting people go to the fanon chat will exclude the users who were globally banned
4:32
JosephHawk
hmm, how would you even link all the chat's together?
4:32
AMK152Bot
that's their own fault
just simple links
on one page
instead of the navigation bar going right to the chat, it links to a list of chatrooms
4:33
JosephHawk
Okay, I really like that idea
4:33
AMK152Bot
another thing about the network is that, since each wiki has a different purpose, it is okay to have different sets of administrators
unlike SBU, where everyone was given power everywhere
perhaps the Fanon wiki will need another chat discussion
any other thoughts on the network?
4:34
JosephHawk
No...
4:34
AW10
no
4:34
AMK152Bot
next item...
4. Twitter/Facebook status
perhaps there could be one Twitter account and one Facebook page for the entire network?
4:35
JosephHawk
Yes
4:36
AMK152Bot
I recently renamed the Facebook page to Encyclopedia SpongeBobia... but I cannot change it again, so I will have to just create a new one for the network... unless I contact Facebook
does the Fanon wiki have a Facebook page or Twitter account?
we have 35 likes: https://www.facebook.com/EncyclopediaSpongeBobia
I guess there isn't a whole lot to talk about for Twitter/Facebook, perhaps more so as the network gets going
next item...
5. Main Page redesign (includes article/user of the month)
discussion: http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Discussions/Main_Page_Redesign
going back to those suggestions from earlier, I think that the article of the month and user of the month can be applied when the main page is redesiged
user of the month could also be for the entire wiki
is everyone frozen?
4:39
AW10
that is not the same category
you can't compare regular, answers and fanon user
4:40
AMK152Bot
I was talking about the entire network
oh I see what you mean
4:40
AW10
yes but user of the mouth for each site separetly
4:41
AMK152Bot
and then all three are featured on the main page at spongebobia.wikia.com
4:41
AW10
good
4:41
AMK152Bot
better idea
so, have there been any new ideas as to the main page redesign?
I like those random boxes, I know some wanted to remove them
4:42
AW10
the discussion seems to be going nowhere....
4:43
AMK152Bot
the last one was basically a discussion if they supported your design: http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Discussions/Main_Page_Design_(June_2013)
4:43
AW10
I suggest we consider everyone's inpiut and make a proposal that will hopefully suite everyone
4:43
AMK152Bot
yeah
we don't necessarily need a dramatic change
but there are some things that should
the "Wiki updates" needs to be scrapped, or at least the newest idea only sits there so that it is minimal
notes, project cleanup, and help section can be merged
and cleaned up
I would like much of it to be applied to this: http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Community_Portal
4:45
AW10
How abou we put wiki updates and project cleanup to community corner
4:45
AMK152Bot
I would like to use the Community Portal as a starting point/main informational area on important pages, policies,
I like that
community corner
4:45
AW10
every time ut is updated users will be informed
4:46
AMK152Bot
and then it can be linked to the portal
4:46
AW10
no to replace the portal, but it needs to be well formatted
4:46
JosephHawk
Hey, I'm back
had to do something
what did I miss?
4:46
AW10
smaller font sections, blocks
4:47
AMK152Bot
right
4:47
AW10
smaller font*
4:47
AMK152Bot
we are talking about the main page redesign now
4:47
JosephHawk
oh good!
FYI, I support a User of the Month
but not an Article of the Month
4:47
AMK152Bot
why not article?
4:47
AW10
so, I will propse some format and start the discusion
?
4:47
AMK152Bot
yes, AW10
4:48
JosephHawk
Choosing an article out of hundreds would be tedious...
besides, who would even choose it?
4:49
AW10
perhaps a random function
but we out only good articles
and some preview iamge for each one of theme
them*
Welcome to the SpongeBobia Wiki chat 
4:50
AMK152Bot
I froze
I was talking about doing a nomination process, much like user of the month
that will give us standards
hold on, I saved the process on my computer...
4:50
JosephHawk
but the article will have to go through major cleanup
4:50
AMK152Bot
of course
and it will be sysop protected for the entire month
so here are the stops:
4:51
AW10
standards can be how much the user has increased the poject cleanup progress
4:52
JosephHawk
what will determine the UoTM?
(user of the month)
4:52
AMK152Bot
1. Anyone can nominate an article they believe is suitable for being featured. They simply nominate it with a form (like RFA)
2. Every will give their input (support, oppose, neutral)
3. Then we take the formula, Support-Oppose=Rating
4:53
JosephHawk
okay, I like that. It's like the background contests?
4:53
AMK152Bot
for example, say Help Wanted has 8 supports and 2 opposes, the rating is 6
kind of
then Tea at the Treedom has 6 supports and 3 opposes, the rating is 3
4:53
JosephHawk
that is fine with me then
what about User?
4:53
AMK152Bot
4. We get to the last day of the month, the article with the highest rating becomes the Aritcle of the month, in this case, Help Wanted
4:54
AW10
so, the greates rating of all nominated will bw fatured
4:54
AMK152Bot
User of the month, same process, except you cannot nominate yourself
yes
and the nominations will expire after 3 months
but can be immediately renominated (in case inactive users still have an oppose vote)
4:55
AW10
can you explain lat two rows
4:55
AMK152Bot
#3 and #4?
4:55
AW10
and the nominations will expire after 3 months but can be immediately renominated (in case inactive users still have an oppose vote)
4:55
JosephHawk
I don't get that either
4:55
AMK152Bot
ok, let me explain:
let's say an article, like "Dunces and Dragons" gets 10 supports and 7 opposes, for a rating of 3
and then it reaches 14 supports, and 6 opposes after many improvements
for a rating of 8
let's say those 6 opposes are inactive users who are not changing their vote
after 3 months, the nomination expires
someone then renominates Dunces and Dragons, and it gets 12 supports and no opposes
12 is a better rating than 8; inactive users cannot really change their votes
see what i mean?
4:57
AW10
what about polls for voting
like those on the main page
4:58
JosephHawk
I think polls would be better
4:58
AMK152Bot
people could nominate and vote for their favorite episode rather than a good quality article
we need discussion, because it would help improve the articles at the same time
we can, however, have something like monthly polls for other things
plus discussion gets more people involved rather than just voting without looking at the article
5:00
AW10
I agree
5:00
JosephHawk
Smae
same*
5:01
AMK152Bot
the nomination process can be put to proposal after the main page redesign passes
any other thoughts on the main page, article of the month, user of the month?
moving on...
5:02
AW10
wait
5:02
JosephHawk
good
5:02
AMK152Bot
6. Username redirect proposal
5:03
AW10
can you draft a proposal for main page and I will turn this into reality
5:03
AMK152Bot
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Discussions/Redirects_for_usernames
5:03
AW10
it will be better to prpose something real than just words
5:03
AMK152Bot
actually, that's a better idea
than just proposal an actual design
that way you can just implement it
I will set that up after the meeting
5:04
AW10
okay
5:04
AMK152Bot
ok
6. Username redirect proposal
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Discussions/Redirects_for_usernames
5:05
JosephHawk
I am still hesitant about that
5:05
AMK152Bot
I had to extend the proposal, because there wasn't enough to pass it
it needs 75%
5:05
JosephHawk
Whats it at?
5:05
AMK152Bot
if it fails by May 20th, it will not pass
5:05
AW10
I have supported it, but we can also conisder all admins with different link colors
that's waht was suggested in the email
5:05
AMK152Bot
85.7%
Joseph, if you change your vote back, it will be 71.4%
5:07
AW10
and all brueacruats with diff colors
5:07
AMK152Bot
with AW10, its more
yeah I guess we can talk about that next
5:07
JosephHawk
okay, i'll keep it...
5:07
AMK152Bot
11. Color for admins
I agree with this
5:07
JosephHawk
I would like to propose that admins and bureaucrats share the same color
5:07
AMK152Bot
one color for admins and one for bureaucrats
5:08
JosephHawk
No one ever needs to look just for a bureaucrat
well, what colors are we looking at?
5:08
AMK152Bot
bureaucrats can endorse proposals, make proposals, and demote people
5:08
JosephHawk
Hmmm, alright
5:08
AMK152Bot
I was thinking like blue and green
5:08
AW10
blue is takne
5:08
AMK152Bot
and I don't think we need a proposal for this
5:08
JosephHawk
Light blue
5:08
AW10
taken*
5:09
AMK152Bot
like bold blue
5:09
JosephHawk
like water for SpongeBob
5:09
AW10
read-admin
green-crat
red*
5:09
JosephHawk
Nah, dont do read
5:09
AMK152Bot
red is a negative color
5:09
JosephHawk
it may seems like a broken link
red*
5:09
AMK152Bot
that too
5:09
JosephHawk
Light Blue and Light green?
5:09
AMK152Bot
dark green and light green?
5:10
AW10
admin-yellow crat-green
5:10
JosephHawk
no, too close
5:10
AW10
regualr-blue
5:10
JosephHawk
yellow is too bright
5:10
AW10
dark orange
5:10
JosephHawk
#33e500 ?
5:10
AMK152Bot
green and dark orange
5:10
JosephHawk
http://www.color-hex.com let's use this to look for specific colors
5:11
AMK152Bot
33e500 is good
5:11
JosephHawk
for who?
admins or crats?
5:11
JCM
At the fanon wiki, we have red for bureaucrats and blue for admins
5:11
AW10
http://www.colorhexa.com/33e500 CRAT http://www.colorhexa.com/e5b200 ADMON
5:11
AMK152Bot
bureaucrats
yes
I agree with AW10
5:11
JosephHawk
I dislike the admin one
the crat one is good
5:12
AMK152Bot
admin http://www.colorhexa.com/997700 ?
like a brown-ish
5:12
JosephHawk
http://www.color-hex.com/color/00dcec
5:13
AMK152Bot
maybe darker than that: http://www.color-hex.com/color/00848d
5:13
AW10
http://www.colorhexa.com/6f9900 ADMIN; to be simmilar to CRAT
5:13
JosephHawk
yes, I like AMKs
let's do that one for admin
5:14
AW10
I liek amk too
amk's idea
5:14
AMK152Bot
ok
5:14
JosephHawk
alright, then we got AW10's color for crat
and AMK's for admin
when do we add those?
5:14
AMK152Bot
I don't think we need a proposal for that, so we can just go for that
5:14
JosephHawk
I'll add them now then
5:14
AW10
okay
5:15
AMK152Bot
while waiting for Joseph, I am going to skip to 8
8. Character project/screenshot project
so the FTP info is working now?
5:16
AW10
you think on 1sec
yes
5:16
AMK152Bot
ok
you could test out with Help Wanted just to make sure, and then when you have time, you can go for the others
it should be so we can see every shot that happens
5:17
AW10
yes, but you haven't answered me
on them email
5:17
AMK152Bot
let me check
where?
"It works, but I can't tell when I will be able to upload the files."
5:18
AW10
here is the questiojn: http://sbcaptures.freeserver.me/content/episodes/001a - Help Wanted.html http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Help_Wanted_(gallery) which format
the older message
from the ftp info email
but I have copied it here
5:18
AMK152Bot
ok
5:18
AW10
so which format is better
slideshow or gallery?
5:19
AMK152Bot
i like the slide show
I cannot scroll with arrow keys on the slide show
5:19
AW10
yes, it is made in flash
swf
so, it may be that supported
may not*
5:21
AMK152Bot
ok
5:21
AW10
and impossible ot be used on smart phones, since it will be so tiny
however, gallery requires 10 GB to be uploaded
5:21
AMK152Bot
ok
5:21
AW10
and fast server
5:21
JosephHawk
done guys
we have our highlightedlinks
5:22
AW10
so, what will be now, when you know those things
5:22
AMK152Bot
I have unlimited hosting
space
so space is not an issue
it will be good
this of course can be done gradually
and we could maybe link them to ESB later
5:23
AW10
okay, so we have galleries
5:23
AMK152Bot
yeah
ok, so back to 7
7. Project Cleanup: Characters
Joseph, did you see my proposal draft for the characters?
5:24
JosephHawk
No
5:24
AMK152Bot
should have been in the e-mail with the meeting info
5:25
JosephHawk
hold on
5:25
AMK152Bot
I can copy and paste it here
or you can check
5:25
JosephHawk
checking
yes
5:26
AMK152Bot
i dont think I sent it
5:26
JosephHawk
wait, am I looking for your draft?
because I don't see that
5:26
AMK152Bot
I will just copy it here and we can talk about each piece
5:26
JosephHawk
ok
5:26
AMK152Bot
so this is in regards to Project Cleanup moving on with character articles
5:27
JosephHawk
Alright
5:27
AMK152Bot
==Introduction== We have had a number of issues with the character articles for several years. We have had discussions and have improved formatting over time, but an overhaul of the character articles is needed. Over the past year and a half, our episode articles have been greatly improved and have had some consistency. We have gradually introduced changes over time, and this has worked out fantastically. Now, we are on to character articles as the next part of Project Cleanup. I and others have had several ideas for character articles, but this is going to be completed step by step since character articles function differently than episode articles. Over the next several months, Project Cleanup is going to focus on the character articles. We are going to through the SpongeBob SquarePants:Characters guideline page and modify the guidelines.
The first step is going to involve naming schemes, character names, and allowed articles. Some of the items in the proposal already exist, I am just adding them to the guidelines. 
so that's my intorduction
5:28
JosephHawk
okay, sounds good
5:28
AMK152Bot
==Proposal== The proposal is as follows. In this proposal, Patrick Star will be used as an example page name.
===Naming scheme=== *Character article :*Patrick Star *Character appearances :*Patrick Star/appearances *Character galleries :*Patrick Star/gallery :*Patrick Star/gallery/EPISODE 
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5:28
AW10
http://pastebin.com/6k8QQiun
5:28
AMK152Bot
so there is the naming scheme
ok
go to that link, Joseph, tell us what you think
JCM, you still here?
5:30
JosephHawk
Good so far...
5:30
AMK152Bot
ok
so that will be the first proposal, there will be more to follow later
5:30
JosephHawk
Good, good… it's very clear
5:30
AMK152Bot
because this needs to be done gradually... so I got some of the least controversial things out of the way
5:30
JosephHawk
I like it
5:31
AMK152Bot
I will make that proposal later today
5:31
JosephHawk
Okay
5:31
AMK152Bot
9. Grammar guide
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Grammar_Guide
I would just like to put this out there
if you see anything that should be noted, add it to the grammar guide
5:32
JosephHawk
Okay, so this is still being expanded
5:32
AMK152Bot
yeah
it will also be linked from the Community Portal, which I have been working on developing
10. Wikia Spotlight
5:33
JosephHawk
good, that needs a cleanup
5:33
JCM
Oh, sorry
I'm still here
5:33
AMK152Bot
ok
5:34
JCM
I'm just doing homework
5:34
AMK152Bot
we have been trying to get ready to be in the spotlight
5:34
JosephHawk
What is this?
5:34
AMK152Bot
it's where different Wikia wikis are featured
it can give us more traffic
5:34
JosephHawk
Good!
what do we need to do to prepare?
5:34
AMK152Bot
you have probably seen ads to other wikis at ESB
5:35
JosephHawk
yep
5:35
AMK152Bot
ESB could be part of those ads
5:35
JosephHawk
nice
5:35
AMK152Bot
there are certain recommendations
we need at least 200 pages and we have over 6,000!
the requester needs to be an admin and have community support, we will have no problem on that
stubs should be less than 20% of the wiki (we have 19%) but we will soon be working on this
5:37
JosephHawk
Hmmm
we need to bring that down
5:37
AMK152Bot
if you see on the characters proposal
===Character appearances=== *1. All characters with 10 appearances or less will not have their own appearance subpage. Instead, their appearances will be listed in a table on their main biography article. Characters with more than 10 appearances can have their own appearances subpage. *2. All characters will have a table that lists their appearances, in production order. Each table will list the episode name and what they character did in that episode, no matter how big or small. I have noticed that these tables have been removed in the past, so do not delete these tables.
that means all those "/appearances" pages for other characters will be eliminated in the proposal, dropping the amount of stubs
5:38
JosephHawk
good!
5:38
AMK152Bot
for characters with only few appearances, so we will be starting to progress
we are under 20%, so that is good
5:38
JosephHawk
When will this happen?
5:38
AMK152Bot
we also need a developed main page (check!)
5:38
AW10
when are you planning to request spotlight?
5:39
AMK152Bot
as soon as we are good
they recommend the main page be unprotected
5:39
JosephHawk
why?
5:39
AW10
have you heard about SMART
5:39
AMK152Bot
we have it protected due to vandalism
5:39
JosephHawk
why do they want it unprotected?
5:39
AMK152Bot
because that's the concept of a wiki
5:39
JosephHawk
hmmm
oky
5:39
AMK152Bot
but I think Wikia might let this slide
so we are okay as far as that is concerned
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5:40
AMK152Bot
most pages need to be categorized... we are good on this
5:40
AW10
have been thinkhing that we set some goal via SMART criteria
goals for the spotlight
5:41
AMK152Bot
ok
community message, welcome message, and custom skin: all good
there are only two concerns: stability/friendliness and offensive language
these need to be controlled
we do well with language
and the stability... we cannot have an admin request running during the spotlight request
however, we are very stable when it comes to adding admins
5:42
JosephHawk
speaking of admins requests...
you supported Muchacha, AW10?
5:42
AW10
yes
but I am still skepctical
5:43
AMK152Bot
hold on, let's finish this first
we can assess where we are at in a couple of weeks
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5:43
AMK152Bot
what were you saying about SMART?
5:43
AW10
you have already made a lot of anlysis...
but I suggest we make some goals
5:43
AMK152Bot
ok
5:44
AW10
and achive them
everyone can take the one part
5:44
AMK152Bot
of course, community discussion and new ideas shows were are a community welcoming of ideas
ok
so we can look good on that part for the spotlight
I even talked about maybe finding someone to review the wiki to see what they recommend
5:45
JosephHawk
Hey, did SpongeyTube receive the email?
He didn't know there was a meeting
5:45
AMK152Bot
I haven't been able to contact him
5:45
JosephHawk
ah… okay
5:46
AMK152Bot
I have tried to get people's e-mail addresses in the past, I just finally got Zeo's this week
5:46
JosephHawk
oh okay
5:46
AW10
if that would help yes, but we need to set: AW10 will do this in 1 mouth, amk152 will do this in 1 mounts, etc.
5:46
AMK152Bot
AW10: those goals go along with the "task" awards I talked about a couple weeks ago
we just need to define them
how about we set some goals right now?
5:47
JosephHawk
why not?
5:47
AW10
so, you can list all possible goals in one page sorted by importance and people will choose
5:48
AMK152Bot
ok
or rather, task
a list of tasks to be done
5:48
AW10
we have been posponing spotlight for too much
yes, I overuse the term "goal"
5:48
AMK152Bot
that can be the first task
we make the spotlight discussion public
get people excited
then they can help but not arguing with each other
OH! I have an idea
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5:49
AMK152Bot
we make the spotlight discussion public
with the status of each goal
and then I make a spotlight proposal
and people can support or oppose the spotlight request
I will make it so that when the administration believes we are ready, we will make the request
so the community has consensus beforehand
how does that sound?
5:50
AW10
that will surely improve the wiki
5:50
JosephHawk
good
I strongly like that
5:50
AMK152Bot
cool
I will also work on that tonight
ok, next
12. Summersponge asked this question: Do you mind if I make a ESB cloud on Cloudsdale?
5:52
JosephHawk
Well, he already did
5:52
AMK152Bot
really?
5:53
JosephHawk
yep
5:53
AW10
what is that?
5:53
JosephHawk
chat
basically
http://www.cloudsdale.org/clouds/encyclopedia_spongeb
there it is
5:53
AMK152Bot
Fanon uses it for globally blocked people
I guess I don't really mind
5:54
AW10
since he already did it, we can only promote it if we want
5:54
AMK152Bot
right
5:54
JosephHawk
no, I don't think we should
5:54
AMK152Bot
which I don't want to
5:54
JosephHawk
blocked users might go there
5:54
AW10
nor do I
5:55
AMK152Bot
if it becomes a problem, we can address it then
5:55
JosephHawk
alright, let's leave it then
5:55
AMK152Bot
and lastly
13. Muchacha's admin request
5:55
JosephHawk
oh boy...
5:55
AMK152Bot
I don't think Muchacha is ready
5:56
JosephHawk
neither do I
but I already supported him
5:56
AMK152Bot
you can change
5:56
JosephHawk
yes, but I don't have a strong reason to do so
5:56
AW10
altough I am skepctical, I don't think he will turn into 120d
5:57
AMK152Bot
right now it's 12 support, 4 oppose (75%) which would be successful
of course I am still neutral
5:57
AW10
especially after knowing what has happened to 120d
5:57
JosephHawk
If you oppose, I'll join you AMK. I would feel better...
5:58
AMK152Bot
since he has been asking people to vote for him
5:58
JosephHawk
he is begging...
5:58
AMK152Bot
yeah
5:58
JosephHawk
not just asking
especially in chat
5:59
AMK152Bot
still about 4 and half days left of the discussion
I will probably make my final decision before it ends
5:59
AW10
so, you are basically worried about its non-maturity
6:00
JosephHawk
This is the real question though:
Does he need admin powers?
6:00
AMK152Bot
I don't think he will abuse them, but admins need to set good examples
so many people are involved in discussions now
some of those people may have just gone there because Muchacha told them too
6:01
JosephHawk
yes
some people refuse to vote too
like Goldenburg
and RoadRunner1
6:01
AMK152Bot
of course the divide shows there is hesitantence
unlike yours (24 support, 1 oppose)
Loopa was 3 support, 1 neutral
6:02
AW10
I was just remainded to seacactus
6:02
AMK152Bot
Tan was 5 support only
6:02
JosephHawk
I think we should actually change the admin process
6:02
AMK152Bot
SpongeyTube was 4 support only
6:02
JosephHawk
lets say you have to have 7 votes minimum?
6:02
AMK152Bot
Calzone was 4 support only
lol, 120d had 2 support and that was it
6:03
AW10
we need to set it straight that he needs to show certain level of maturity withon forst month
6:03
AMK152Bot
Zeo: 3 support, 1 neutral
6:03
AW10
within first month*
6:03
AMK152Bot
Spongebob456: 4 support
EditPants: 3 support
JCM had 4 support
Puppets had 3 support
Goji had 2 support
I adopted the wiki and AW10 was promoted without discussion
6:05
AW10
so, what do you think about my suggestion
6:05
AMK152Bot
yeah, definitely, things have changed
more people are involved in the discussion, but who knows how much they thought it through
here is the current policy: http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Policy#IV._Administration
6:06
JosephHawk
indeed,...
6:07
AMK152Bot
"User must be able to demonstrate that they are willing to help and show good judgment."
Muchacha, at times, not so much good judgment
but is there anything we should change in the policy?
6:07
JosephHawk
I think minimum amount of votes
6:07
AW10
we need to tell him our thoughts
6:07
AMK152Bot
"If more than 50% of the active administration opposes the user's application, the request is unsuccessful and may be closed."
there are 7 active admins
6:08
JosephHawk
they are all in Main chat at the moment
we can go and talk to them now
6:08
AMK152Bot
so if 4 active admins oppose, it is unsuccessful
6:08
JosephHawk
I think I am going to oppose
6:08
AW10
score of 5 + 1 crat support
6:08
JosephHawk
stating that he isn't using good judgement
6:08
AW10
al least
6:09
JosephHawk
by begging people
6:09
AW10
or score of 8
6:09
AMK152Bot
yeah
something like that
"If more than 50% of the active administration DOES NOT SUPPORT the user's application, the request is unsuccessful and may be closed."
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6:10
AMK152Bot
changing that would include neutral
6:10
AW10
how about we limit to amdins and crats to give support oppse and all other as comments
6:10
JosephHawk
I like that
6:10
AMK152Bot
so that means at least half of the active admins need to support a request
actually, that is an excellent idea
6:11
AW10
and if score is [x] he is promoted
6:11
AMK152Bot
how do you think people will react though?
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6:11
AW10
we can only propse and se
see*
6:11
AMK152Bot
Zeo: were are talking about Muchacha's admin request
6:11
JosephHawk
Hey Zeo
6:11
ZeoSpark
Ah. And hey
6:12
AMK152Bot
yeah
6:12
JosephHawk
we are thinking of changing the rules
6:12
AMK152Bot
of course, we will have to have the proposal after Muchacha's request
6:12
ZeoSpark
True and what's the rule change?
6:12
AMK152Bot
we are thinking about limiting admin requests to administration only as far as votes
6:12
AW10
I don't think think that anything bad could happen if we propose it, it's not that we are excluding them by force
6:13
AMK152Bot
Muchacha has been begging people to support his request
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6:13
JosephHawk
wait, I have a different idea!
Users ust have 100 edits to vogte
Users must have 100 edits to vote*
6:13
ZeoSpark
Hmm. That does seem fair.
6:13
AMK152Bot
Joseph, good idea
voter requirements
6:14
ZeoSpark
Hm? Won't some users spam edits?
6:14
AMK152Bot
you cannot just come in with a 5 edits and make a decision
6:14
AW10
to small amount of edits, but background of my idea was the good judgement
admins can provide the good judgment when voting
6:14
JosephHawk
I think the community should still have a say...
6:14
AW10
and they can still consider comments
6:14
AMK152Bot
yeah
6:14
ZeoSpark
Yeah.
6:14
JosephHawk
but they can be newbie wikians
can't*
6:15
AMK152Bot
the community is growing, and we need to filter out non-admin worthy candidates
especially those with a lot of friends
6:15
ZeoSpark
Or users that just reply on message walls or boards. I know some users on here that only do that rather than edit on actual pages.
6:15
AW10
lot of friends?
6:16
AMK152Bot
they tell their friends to support them
or bias, as 120d would say
if Muchacha had 20 people come here and vote for him, he would have a successful request
6:16
ZeoSpark
Hm?
Ah, right
6:17
AMK152Bot
those in the discussion need to decided if the person would help the wiki with being admin
so limiting to admins in the discussion is a great idea
shall we go with that?
of course, the proposal will have to be made after Muchacha's request
6:17
JosephHawk
sure
6:17
ZeoSpark
Okay
6:18
AMK152Bot
cool
so, is there any other things that should be discussed?
6:18
JosephHawk
are we going to talk with Muchacha?
6:19
AMK152Bot
we can
after the meeting
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6:19
AMK152Bot
anything else before I summarize?
6:19
JosephHawk
nope
6:19
AMK152Bot
ok, I will summarize...
May 18, 2014 meeting summary 
1. Monitor aftermath of 120d situation and stop any arguments from getting out of hand. 
2. JCM's proposal at the Fanon wiki to demote 5 bureaucrats passed, pending Wikia Staff's response. 
3. AW10's concepts for the Fanon wiki logo and background contest to be implemented when they are ready. 
4. SpongeBobia as a network is more likely to evolve 
5. Develop spongebobia.wikia.com for the main part of SpongeBobia 
6. Master chat room page on each wiki in the future 
7. AW10 is going to begin working on a new design of the main page 
8. Article and user of the month proposal to be created after new main page design 
9. AMK152 will set up a proposal to the main page redesign 
10. Admins and bureaucrats have assigned colors 
11. AW10 has correct FTP info for seconds galleries 
12. AW10 and JosephHawk agree with draft of Character articles proposal 
13. Continue to stabilize community for Wikia spotlight 
14. AMK152 will make a proposal to get approval for Wikia spotlight request 
15. ESB Cloudsdale chat okay for now; we will not promote it, but if there are problems, it will be addresses 
16. After Muchacha's admin request, there will be a proposal to limit counting votes at admin requests to admins only.
And that's all.
6:21
JosephHawk
okay!
good meeting
6:22
AMK152Bot
ESB is sure progressing
6:22
ZeoSpark
I like the colors thing by the way.
6:22
JosephHawk
and its great to be a part of that
good!
6:23
AMK152Bot
we have sure come a long way
6:23
JosephHawk
yes we have
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6:23
AW10
yes
6:24
AMK152Bot
ok, I have some proposals to draft
6:25
JosephHawk
have fun with those
6:25
AW10
I gotta go now?
.*
bye
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6:26
JosephHawk
bye AW1
well, I leaving too.
Good discussion AMK
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6:27
JosephHawk
cya!
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