116447-is-the-game-to-hardcore

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			Why does people quit to play wildstar i wonder. I have played since the beta, and i love it. The game is perfect for me. I have played wow, but i am starting to be boored with it.	
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			They don't. We have a few hundred thousand active players; the ones that left were FOTM'ers, we all enjoy it very much; and while the game is more challenging than tab & spam; it's not too hardcore at all.	
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The only aspects of the game I ever felt was hardcore was dungeons/raids and then we have the king of hardcore... Getting to level 8 cooking. 
 
Which doesn't entirely cover Wildstar as a game, but more casual content is welcome as long as they don't touch our raids difficulty. 	
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			Where are they? I lead a swedish/norwegian guild, but many in my guild has left for other game. It breaks my heart to see that my guild is falling appart. 	
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Where are they? I lead a swedish/norwegian guild, but many in my guild has left for other game. It breaks my heart to see that my guild is falling appart. 
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			Problem is the free mmo games, they will not use monye on god games. And several players complain that the game is so difficult. They about it, but I have a goal to get my guild on top;)	
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Guilds die in every game; poor management, apathetic FOTM players, etc. I wen't through a dozen in OG FFXI at it's peak; more in SWTOR...
 
C'est la vie, et la vie est drôle
 
I can't go anywhere in Entity with out tripping over players. If you are running on a PvP server, there's your problem. 
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Problem is the free mmo games, they will not use monye on god games. And several players complain that the game is so difficult. They about it, but I have a goal to get my guild on top;)
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Is the NA pve more populated then the NA pvp? I'm on Warhound on all my toons. Just asking?
 
 
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Don't worry about the fail2play parasites.
 
They are just self entitled people that don't want to pay a dime but want to demand how games should be run whilst not paying a penny.
 
Don't mention the fact that MMO's cost millions to make. We wouldn't want FACTS to get in the way of their FICTION :)
 
Don't need them, won't miss them.
 
Wildstar are worth all of my money I spend! And NCsoft are working hard on the game. Cant wait to the next patch.
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So I was playing the game earlier, got to my housing plot...all the dialogue I've been hearing in the game is positive...people are having fun, hosting events, and actually enjoying themselves.  Then I come back to the forums, and it's a constant stream of negativity.
 
I think I may just start avoiding the forums altogether aside from housing since the people actually in the game seem to be enjoying themselves...	
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So I was playing the game earlier, got to my housing plot...all the dialogue I've been hearing in the game is positive...people are having fun, hosting events, and actually enjoying themselves.  Then I come back to the forums, and it's a constant stream of negativity.
 
I think I may just start avoiding the forums altogether aside from housing since the people actually in the game seem to be enjoying themselves...
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From my perspective I would say the game IS hardcore, but not TOO hardcore.
 
It is nice to have some challenge. On the other hand it does make me a little less forgiving about the speed of fixes for the weaker classes/roles.	
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The only thing hardcore about this game to me so far is raiding and that is because of how long it took me to get to this point where I can finally raid! The level of difficulty in raiding is pretty damn hardcore but I love it!
 
I am loving this game more than any other game and I will cash out every month to keep carbine happy!	
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			I wouldn't consider it hardcore. I wouldn't because I'm relatively new to the PC gaming scene. Used to always play my xbox360 but after the new gen consoles came out nothing coming out caught my attention. Switched to PC, had free time over the summer so I tried my hand at MMOs and fell in love with this one for the combat above all else. I've been able to complete my attunement just fine. So basically me, a new mmo gamer, was able to complete adventures, dungeons, etc. I guess there are a lot of variables that could be thrown in the mix but overall I would say no, it's not hardcore. It has something for everyone and it is new, more things to come.	
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			I will never stop playing wildstar, is the best game ever i think. 	
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Well, to be honest, the game isn't actually too hardcore. The challenges in dungeons is wonderful and people who are still playing the game love it.
 
The real issue here is (cliche incoming) the artificial wall Carbine created to prolong player participation and activity. After all, this is a sub game and it's in the best interest of Carbine to keep players subbed and playing, though I think more adventurous and compelling content would have kept players from scattering rather than a bunch of hurdles. Anyway, this wall takes the form of the attunement system. It's long and arduous and most MMO players these days just aren't interested in doing chores just so they can play the game.
 
The single biggest draw of PvE content for most players is the end game, which is typically the raids, and in order to get into the those raids, like in all MMOs, you have to level up. But with the attunement process, you not only have to level up, but jump through some ridiculous hurdles as well. Most players just said "screw this, let's bounce." and out the door they went.
 
To make a quick critique, Carbine did something amazing with the telegraph system, but as far as the rest of the game goes, it's a pretty run-of-the-mill standard MMO fair, and the majority of the MMO community is tired of it.	
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It's too "hardcore" to be a huge success as an MMO in today's market as the game currently stands. By "hardcore" I mean exhausting, time consuming, and low reward more than any absolute measure of game "difficulty" (no MMO approaches your typical twitch console game's level of difficulty due to limitations on the Internet infrastructure, basically. You can't require split-second reflexes when lag exists.)  
 
It can probably manage to be successful as a smaller niche game if the producers are willing to settle for that.  Clearly there is a player base that enjoys it a lot, so it's not like there's zero market for it.  It'll just come down to what the Money People are willing to accept.  This particular publisher has been rather...uh...let's say "hardcore" ....about profits in the past, but ultimately no one knows what NCSoft is going to do until NCSoft does it.  Carbine probably doesn't even know.	
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Is the game too hardcore?  No not really.  I think a lot of the players left after they hit the Attunement Wall, stumbled into difficult dungeons realizing you couldn't really que for them solo and had to run them with a solid group of guild mates only.  The content was challenging and the timers were unforgiving.  So finally someone spent all that time to get a character through the timers on attunement....do you think they would create an ALT to do it again like most gamers do in WOW and other MMO's??  Heck no.  Running through hell timer attunement on another character in those dungeons that contain loot worse than the adventures (still like that today even)>?
 
PvP and Warplots were disastrous.  Many think they still are.
 
I think above is what made a lot of people leave...but we all know this already really.
 
NCSoft is scrambling to fix many things to get the game to where it should be.  I truly believe Megaservers are great, at least they are on my PVE server.  Heck I even ran a 40man pug raid last night and we knocked it out of the park on that Drusera tree thing, scoring myself some phat epic raid loot.  It was more like a 100 man raid though.
 
There are soo many people on my PVE NA server that they are falling out of the trees!!!  Err...maybe they are in the trees looking into Aurin change-rooms in housing plots or something I don't know.
 
In Thayd today there was all sorts of events going on, contests all sorts of weird stuff.  My auctions sell super fast now also.
 
 
Megaservers was a good move in the right direction, if your server pop is low get to a PVE server before the Monday deadline when it closes forever.	
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