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I've not been in a sharded zone since close to launch on my server.  It's not sharded.  It's just dead in most zones. (Again, I don't usually level during peak times which doesn't help).
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The gates in W* are laughable. it takes a week or two of concerted effort to attune to 20mans...
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I'm not talking about attunement. I'm talking about the 9 months to max your character, and up until last patch the months of farming for amps you needed to be effective. Most people see things like that and say, "Nope, not worth my time." 
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We got to 8 pages without a Buster bomb or a Chillia head shot? Impressive.  
 
While I agree with the OP, I also agree that we're not going to hear anything until Carbine has a very concrete plan of what they're doing.  They'd be SWTOR-foolish not to do that.  Making vague promises that never come to be or kinda sorta hint that something might be done.. but then just keep bait and switching is just going to inflame the vocal minority (us on the forums) more.  So.. yea.  Umm... that's all I got.	
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The EXTRA amp and ability points are needed for exactly zero percent of content. They are extras.... If you can't be effective with out extra amp points / ability points than its a personal problem; as folks are clearing GA with out capped amp points / ability points.
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Oi. It has nothing to do with playing content now. It will have a chilling effect in the future.  New people and those that haven't kept up with their EG grind *waves hand* will be told to go pound sand.  Much like people don't want to see level 45 greens, they'll refuse to work with peeps that haven't maxed their stats.
 
The utterly sad thing is that this was recognized in beta and even had a dev post on it promising that it'll be fine.  Well, two months in and it's still A Problem™.
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Change parts of the game I don’t like into something I do like. I’m a game expert, so if I don’t like something it must be objectively bad, and I have anecdotes to prove the game is dying because of that thing I don’t like.   ^This thread and the vast majority of threads in this forum summed up.	
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There is a 2000+ weekly cap on Elder Gems.
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Change parts of the game I don’t like into something I do like. I’m a game expert, so if I don’t like something it must be objectively bad, and I have anecdotes to prove the game is dying because of that thing I don’t like.   ^This thread and the vast majority of threads in this forum summed up.
 
 
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Well what do you think the reason for the game loosing so many people so fast is?
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http://biobreak.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/the-worst-time-for-a-new-mmo/
 
Same reason every new MMO does.
 
Same thing happened at NA launch of FFXI; and with SWTOR, and with ESO, and with Ultima, and with EQ1&2, and with WAR.....
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Except you listed some games that grew after their launch, but that was before the market was so heavily saturated with mediocre games.
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There is a 2000+ weekly cap on Elder Gems. The cap most people don't like is the weekly cap of EG's from Elder Points (converted EXP). There are already plans to make Elder Gems more accessible beyond Elder points in future updates; which means eventually capping your 2000 weekly elder gems will be a thing eventually.
 
No guild I've played with in W* so far has denied some one that was playing competently. You will likely never need any extra amp / ability points simply to play content; they are icing on the cake.
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People's experience right now is end game currency is how you get gear. People are looking at the 140 cap and seeing how much the gear costs and just saying "Screw it, this will take to long." A 2000 cap is perfect. Its enough to save your from the bad RNG gods and still keep up with people without making you go to fast. But it means nothing if we don't have a way to get the freaking gems. The faster they roll that out the better.
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Game's 2 months old; WoW barely even had an endgame when it hit the 2 month mark. I don't disagree with you, but realistic expectations are a must.
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			The problem is, once you lose a large player base, it's incredibly difficult to get them back. With the current state of the game, it's going to take decent changes and updates to get them back.	
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Truth be told, making the elder cap at least 250 wouldn't be too much of work. I gotta agree on this one. It would benefit the "hardcore" and the "casual" faction.
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IMO I like the current EP -> EG cap at 140 / week. However I am running on the expectation that, as the devs officially claimed, they will be adding more methods to directly acquire Elder Gems (outside of Elder points). This means I could cap my 140 Elder points; then all further EXP nets me gold for the week; while also accruing Elder Gems from running exciting content (E.G. Dungeons, Adventures, Vet. Shiphands once they go live, etc,etc,etc). Since the weekly cap of EG's is at 2000+, that seems like a pretty decent system. The Hardcore crowd can cap their 2000+ a week; Casual players can cap their EP and then get a few more gems from other activities... 
 
I would prefer that kind of thing. 
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I think it's too soon to call this the new "Tortanic". :P
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Game's 2 months old; WoW barely even had an endgame when it hit the 2 month mark. I don't disagree with you, but realistic expectations are a must.
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I've posted this before and I'll say it again.  The market changes.  Consumers' expectations change.  This goes for ANY business and ANY industry.  If companies don't adapt, they'll suffer the consequences.  We're no longer in a market with few games to choose from.  With massive amount of competition, releasing a game just like the last.. and the one before that.. and the one before that... leads to the same results.
 
I don't even know if any company or investor would put forth the money required to have an MMO be fully tested and polished prior to launch, but this is the current state of the MMO market.  No game will stand out and explode like WoW did until they release something exceptional, not expected.
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Comparing WS's launch to WoW's launch is kind of a faulty argument anyway, considering when wow released, like you said, the market was completely different and player expectations have changed. It's not even about "hardcore" or "casual" at this point. It's merely about accessibility and wildstar does a good job at being challenging, and completely inaccessible.
 
You can be "hardcore", without the tedious grind, and more accessibility
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			Ya know, the tone of this thread changed a lot once we got the little ray of hope there Naz. We went from doom gloom to, Yea that'll work!	
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I think I will be going back to WoW, I don't want to but I may have to.
This game is better than WoW but WoW has 10 years of content and I can no longer fight that. There's only so many times I can do the same 2-3 (but 9/10 of the time Walatiki) BGs and 1 new adventure every 10 levels just ain't enough.
Frankly I'm bored and sadly there's little Carbine can do about that short of opening up some sort of programmer sweatshop to pump out 10+ *cupcake*ing years of content in a short time.
I used to believe "only WoW can kill WoW" was a cop out but now it makes sense.
 
Sorry.	
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I think I will be going back to WoW, I don't want to but I may have to.
This game is better than WoW but WoW has 10 years of content and I can no longer fight that. There's only so many times I can do the same 2-3 (but 9/10 of the time Walatiki) BGs and 1 new adventure every 10 levels just ain't enough.
Frankly I'm bored and sadly there's little Carbine can do about that short of opening up some sort of programmer sweatshop to pump out 10+ *cupcake*ing years of content in a short time.
I used to believe "only WoW can kill WoW" was a cop out but now it makes sense.
 
Sorry.
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Carbine,
The information is starting to pile up and it’s getting to a point where it can’t just be brushed under the rug any more. Threads upon threads upon threads of people un-subbing and quitting, threads upon threads of asking for server mergers, and threads upon threads of people asking for changes and stating they are fed up. There are going to be people that say you have no facts to back that up, but we both know that things are going downhill. So Carbine I would like to say that you need to be proactive instead of reactive in the next month. Don’t wait for quarterly reports to come out and confirm what we all can see, don’t wait until NCSoft steps in and forces you to go one way or another that you don’t want to. It’s time to really dive into trying to stop the bleeding. I know that you aren’t looking to be the biggest or largest game on the market and I am totally ok with this, but you aren’t going to be a game if you can’t retain subs. So from a player that truly does love the game, someone that wants this game to succeed and because of this I get very adamant about the things that I feel need changed.
Please Carbine, please don’t be stubborn, please realize there needs to be a change and please at least say you are looking into a fix for the declining population and how much of a ghost town most of the servers are!
 
Thanks
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I think I will be going back to WoW, I don't want to but I may have to.
This game is better than WoW but WoW has 10 years of content and I can no longer fight that. There's only so many times I can do the same 2-3 (but 9/10 of the time Walatiki) BGs and 1 new adventure every 10 levels just ain't enough.
Frankly I'm bored and sadly there's little Carbine can do about that short of opening up some sort of programmer sweatshop to pump out 10+ *cupcake*ing years of content in a short time.
I used to believe "only WoW can kill WoW" was a cop out but now it makes sense.
 
Sorry.
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Your thread isn't helpful feedback, and I'm not sure you want anything to succeed at all.
 
We didn't need another general *cupcake* thread.
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Lethality, there are tons of great, constructive feedback threads, but the reason I think this guy posted this is because Carbine doesn't seem to be proactively combating what we have seen in game and on the forums. Most of us have 10+ years experience and have been a part of many mmo launches. I'd be willing to out on a limb and estimate that they've lost 80% of subscribers since launch. It is expected that people leave new mmos, but you really shouldn't allow people to leave purely because of server population. You don't even need to merge. Just offer free server transfers from low to medium and mention it in chat chat when someone logs in. There is no shame in rallying the population you do have so the game feels alive for everyone and growth can start to occur.
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Carbine has monthly updates...that wreck more *cupcake* than actually improve. Case in point, drop 2 made pvp 10x worse and it's going to take them at least 3 months before they even try another fix that will more than likely fall flat yet again. Carbine has had 9 years to make this game plus over 20 years of MMO type games to learn from...but they didn't learn a darned thing and continually muck it up every frickin patch. I am not confident in this game at all. WoD soon and with it goes even more people. I am sure the white knights will be pleased at that...until it's just them that's left...asking for server merges. Hell, that's already happening now.
 
In end, carbine CAN turn this around but they gotta drop those rose colored HC glasses right into the waste can and start realizing that in order to succeed they will have to cater to the masses rather than the 5%. The latter, btw, will be going back to WoW soon anyways along with the rest.
 
Last thought, GW2...a b2p no sub game can come up with 2 major updates a month! Now tell me how a no sub game can push out more fixes and content updates over one that does? Explain that?	
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My problem with that is that it's still speculation… as recently as last week, both Frost and Cougar, and Anlath on the forums here, commented about population being fine for what they need for healthy servers, and that Low doesn't mean Low like players are thinking it does.
 
There is NO reason for a separate thread on this -- again -- from this guy, other than attention whoring.
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Carbine,
The information is starting to pile up and it’s getting to a point where it can’t just be brushed under the rug any more. Threads upon threads upon threads of people un-subbing and quitting, threads upon threads of asking for server mergers, and threads upon threads of people asking for changes and stating they are fed up. There are going to be people that say you have no facts to back that up, but we both know that things are going downhill. So Carbine I would like to say that you need to be proactive instead of reactive in the next month. Don’t wait for quarterly reports to come out and confirm what we all can see, don’t wait until NCSoft steps in and forces you to go one way or another that you don’t want to. It’s time to really dive into trying to stop the bleeding. I know that you aren’t looking to be the biggest or largest game on the market and I am totally ok with this, but you aren’t going to be a game if you can’t retain subs. So from a player that truly does love the game, someone that wants this game to succeed and because of this I get very adamant about the things that I feel need changed.
Please Carbine, please don’t be stubborn, please realize there needs to be a change and please at least say you are looking into a fix for the declining population and how much of a ghost town most of the servers are!
 
Thanks
 
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My problem with that is that it's still speculation… as recently as last week, both Frost and Cougar, and Anlath on the forums here, commented about population being fine for what they need for healthy servers, and that Low doesn't mean Low like players are thinking it does.
 
There is NO reason for a separate thread on this -- again -- from this guy, other than attention whoring.
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Obviously the game isn't "dying" like a lot of these nuts think, but there are definitely population issues on some of the smaller servers in NA and EU. There is no denying it. Thayd at primetime on several servers has less than 50 people.
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But that is the problem with these forums, any negative feedback is dismissed and the typical response is, "Population is fine, everything is fine, wildstar's the best game ever". It's getting old.
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Obviously the game isn't "dying" like a lot of these nuts think, but there are definitely population issues on some of the smaller servers in NA and EU. There is no denying it. Thayd at primetime on several servers has less than 50 people.
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But that is the problem with these forums, any negative feedback is dismissed and the typical response is, "Population is fine, everything is fine, wildstar's the best game ever". It's getting old.
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No, there is community here.
 
The problem is these "one post" first time visitors think they are making a point, or type a manifesto-page full of demands.
 
Move on strangers, you do not represent the community (check how many times OP contributed to these forums).
Outside this post, nothing.
 
I don't care if doesn't like the game...
Move on...
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Oh, I am aware. The pvp forums have been funny:
 
Not an exaggeration: people complain about something, devs ignore or say it isn't an issue, players get frustrated and join in complaining in unison, no response from devs, players become furious at game and begin being nice to each other unified by shared hatred, still no response from devs, players unite, riot, rage, and threaten mass exodus, 1 dev posts saying he has some ideas for changes, lists many of the mass complain
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I care if he doesn't like the game, because he represents a demographic that is probably equally unhappy with the game. So yes, some people do care what others have to share, despite their low forum post count. Which I have no idea why that should matter, but okay.
 
I've said this before and I'll say it again, I just want people to play with. Guild died, friends quit after the awful pvp drop, population is dwindling on Rowsdower. So yes, my ears are wide open to complaints from other players.
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Sounds personal.
 
Don't care. You fall under the category I just mentioned, outsider.
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Sounds personal.
 
Don't care. You fall under the category I just mentioned, outsider.
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A little communication goes a long ways!  Since they announced WildStar, Carbine has been pretty transparent and amazing at communication.  Since launch?  They've reeled back big time.  I think this is ultimately what is frustrating people the most around here.
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No, there is community here.
 
The problem is these "one post" first time visitors think they are making a point, or type a manifesto-page full of demands.
 
Move on strangers, you do not represent the community (check how many times OP contributed to these forums).
Outside this post, nothing.
 
I don't care if doesn't like the game...
Move on...
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Well at least the op's post had content that consisted of more than "don't post in my forum".
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Didn't say that.
 
I did say he doesn't represent the community.
He can post all he likes...
 
Tomorrow he won't be here, and it will be the last we see of him...
I only said the truth.
 
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Side note, calm your beard man. I am not trying to be a bully, just being real.
 
If doesn't post again, it'll probably be one or complaints and he'll run off.
He isn't the community, like I said.
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Didn't say that.
 
I did say he doesn't represent the community.
He can post all he likes...
 
Tomorrow he won't be here, and it will be the last we see of him...
I only said the truth.
 
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Side note, calm your beard man. I am not trying to be a bully, just being real.
 
If doesn't post again, it'll probably be one or complaints and he'll run off.
He isn't the community, like I said.
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Well actually that is what you said. Insulting me doesn't really help your argument much.
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			Shah before you complain about somebodies post count/history please be aware that the "posts" button inside the profile view doesn't show all the posts you have made. Only the most recent ones. If you want to know the whole story please click the "find content" button. That really shows you how many posts someone made.	
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Shah before you complain about somebodies post count/history please be aware that the "posts" button inside the profile view doesn't show all the posts you have made. Only the most recent ones. If you want to know the whole story please click the "find content" button. That really shows you how many posts someone made.
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Carry on, not playing bully here.
 
There is no point to press the issue if you refuse to see my intention.
 
Once again my apologies.	
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Yes actually.
 
OP has so few posts, you can see all his content.
One post and replying only in that one post.
 
That was my point.
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Get your elitest crap out of here. It's 2014, no one has patience for that nonsense.
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Hey Guys and Gals - 
 
This thread has gone in all the wrong directions, and now it's time to lock it up. Thanks for participating.
 
Cheers,
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