Report 285

Report #285
Skillset: Tarot Skill: Judge
 Org: Cantors Status: Rejected Oct 2009
Furies' Decision:
We don't believe this to be necessary.
Problem: Judge Tarot is of no use to Guardians or Bards. As such, we feel it
presents the prime opportunity to address the lack of bard synergy in Tarot.
Given the base balance costs of Tarot and lack of passives (like Stars, Rainbow
Pattern, Hypnotic Pattern, Colourmaelstrom, etc), Tarot is very limited for
bards (we don't have afflictions to stick aeon, passive shackles to stack with
hangedman, etc).
Solution #1: Change Judge to a 5p defense that lasts for 5 flings (as is the
 Tarot theme). If the target has deafness, Judge will strip
 deafness and give earache identical to blanknote. This will make
 it so when we use Tarot, we at least aren't getting behind on our
 passives. The roleplay theme we are shooting for is that the
 words of Juliana were so sound (no pun intended!), she was able
 to get both friends and foes to listen to her logic and ideas (at
 least briefly).
Solution #2: Make Judge a 3p curse (like Banes in Ecology) that blinds a
 target when they eat earwort (ala Justice is blind) to help slow
 down herb balance.
Player Comments:
---[Llandros on 10/14 @ 15:51 writes]:
Yay! more tarot bard changes, I think both of these sound pretty good
---[Ilyarin on 10/14 @ 20:39 writes]:
Guess I don't see a problem with them, but don't really like either of them
particularly.
---[Nienla on 10/14 @ 21:57 writes]:
Fine with either.
---[Nienla on 10/14 @ 22:27 writes]:
Actually, I'm fine with either except for the earache portion of Solution #1.
Earache is strong enough in a Bard's hands already with BlankNote, doesn't need
to be made stronger
---[Llandros on 10/14 @ 23:01 writes]:
Solution 1 is no good if it doesn't give earache
---[Ceren on 10/15 @ 16:13 writes]:
I like solution 1 a lot, with the earache, but it should NOT stack, only
refresh. Otherwise, blanknote, pfifth, fling 3 cards, deathsong...
---[Ceren on 10/15 @ 16:30 writes]:
Actually my concern is unfounded, cause solution 1 says it'll only give earache
if the target has deafness upon fling.
---[Xenthos on 10/16 @ 01:13 writes]:
One of my concerns on this is one of timing. I -believe- a tarot fling is 2s,
and a blanknote (with a bonded instrument) is 1.5, so this (theoretically)
shouldn't get another method of going for an "assured deathsong" (as a Mugwump).
Would like the timing confirmed if possible. Beyond that... I'm really not sure
about giving guardians the ability to keep someone locked in PFifth in a group
combat while the bard deathsongs (guardian sits around, triggers eating earwort
to toss the card, essentially what bards already can do themselves with
blanknote). I'd prefer that this only worked if the person is a bard, but I
don't know how feasible that is.
---[Meir on 10/16 @ 06:03 writes]:
Tarot has a base balance of around 4 seconds per card. It has never been (to my
knowledge) close to 2 seconds (imagine Hanged Man every 2 seconds or Aeon every
2 seconds!). I should have noted this in the problem description. It is a
significant reason for this change. Tarot is slow, the skillset has a lot of
skills that aren't bard friendly (example: aeon), there are no passives (unlike
the plethora in Glamours), and so to work it in with something that requires
constantly stripping earwort, it needs a method to do so in sync with the active
skills (at least temporarily). As for guardians, it's really a moot point. For
example, Runes can supersling Haegl, which is the strongest active mana drain in
Lusternia. Should this skill be nerfed because it can help Wiccans or Guardians
(and is essentially of no use to Hartstone, Aquamancers, or Geomancers)? What
about choke + deathsong? What about sleep lock and aeon + deathsong? A lot of
group factors make deathsong easier, and I just do not see this going above and
beyond what is available. It also is an expensive means to keep someone still.
Shieldstun is often a great way to ensure deathsong, and it's zero power!
---[Xenthos on 10/17 @ 03:46 writes]:
Thanks for the timing correction. That's the reason for asking! However, I
don't really agree with your comments about the other skills given that PFifth
is an extremely strong movement inhibitor (and doesn't cost any more power if
you strip earwort the moment they eat it). Double-slinging haegl is pretty
overpowered, though. Especially with double-mana-loss thrown in. :P
---[Xenthos on 10/17 @ 15:53 writes]:
Not that I'm disagreeing with the general gist, I'd just like these situations
to be thought about.
---[Llandros on 10/19 @ 16:31 writes]:
I dont know about celestians, but I would much rather a nihilist use crucify
than an earwort stripping tarot card to help with a deathsong kill.