Report 808

Report #808
Skillset: Wicca Skill: Toadcurse
 Org: Moondancers Status: Completed Mar 2012
Furies' Decision:
Solution 2.
Problem: Currently Toadcurse is a Wiccan's only reliable method to kill other
than from damage. But due to the skill not actually being an instakill, and the
ability for Toads to hop away, the actual stomping and any credit as a result of
that can be expropriated by another fighter, disregarding the fact that the
preliminary buildup and the 8p Toadcurse will be performed predominantly by the
Wiccan themselves. This is further compounded by the fact that toads are able
dodge and sometimes require two or more stomps making this significantly worse
than the similar mana instant kills. While I don't believe they should be the
same, I believe these solutions would bring them closer in line balance wise,
not mechanics wise. The Equilibrium loss is 4 seconds.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Credit the subsequent effects of the killing Toad
 Stomp (The kill itself, karma loss, pk status etc.)
 to the Toad Curser rather than the Stomper.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Once toaded, the target is stunned for 5 seconds
 before being able to move again, this is because it
 is quite a shock to become a toad and this gives the
 wiccan enough time to recover balance and attempt a
 stomp unless otherwise hindered
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3: Move STOMP TOAD to be nolonger dodgeable and have it
 instantly kill a toad, rather than sometimes taking
 multiple stomps
Player Comments:
---[Draylor on 3/7 @ 08:23 writes]:
This is far from needed, in my opinion. Taking group combat into account as you
state, I feel that multiple required stomps is the very balance of the skill
given the situation. I would much rather not see people getting pretty much
insta-toad killed
---[Enyalida on 3/7 @ 08:28 writes]:
Solution 1 is fine. Frogs should also never actually DODGE a stomp.
---[Alacardael on 3/7 @ 10:28 writes]:
Considering Toadcurse is 8p (equal Celestialism Absolve, which is an -actual-
instakill), I don't see a problem with 'getting insta-toad killed'. With that
said, I am in favor of #1 (credit to toader) and #3 (remove toad dodge). If the
stun provided by #2 is to prevent toad escape, though, I feel like the Wiccan
can just throw up icewalls mid-(1v1)combat to preempt toad escape. Or Moon
Shafts, whatever that actually does. Group combat will be group combat.
---[Tacita on 3/7 @ 12:02 writes]:
Definitely solution 1, also happy with solution 3 with respect to dodging.
---[Draylor on 3/7 @ 12:14 writes]:
As previously stated over envoys, I am more than happy with solution 1 here. As
for solution 3, I am not sure. Whilst in theory it sounds good, I suspect the
dodge is size based and I am not so keen on this. Overall though, when compared
to absolve, I do feel that toadcurse is rather expensive and am in favour of an
improvement to it. I am just not wholly satisfied that the solutions present
here (except sol.1) would adequately "fix" the issue at hand.
---[Ushaara on 3/9 @ 15:34 writes]:
Solution 1 and no dodging supported.
---[Llandros on 3/9 @ 20:08 writes]:
I'm fine with making it harder for toads to get away but, and I'm sorry for
this, solution 1 feels odd to me. Sure it's annoying but as long as toadcurse
isn't a true insta whoever gets the last hit and actually kills the person is
the killer.
---[Xena on 3/11 @ 17:03 writes]:
Solution 3 Supported
---[Raeri on 3/12 @ 00:44 writes]:
Solutions 1 and 3.
---[Shedrin on 3/12 @ 01:30 writes]:
Solution 1. Bragging rights is important. Neutral on solution 3. No to solution
2.
---[Alacardael on 3/14 @ 12:05 writes]:
Aside from bragging rights in Kills list, it also counts on the family honour
murder tick.
---[Rivius on 3/14 @ 12:32 writes]:
Solution 1 only. I don't agree that the other solutions are at all necessary,
and wiccans can outrun a toad with scent and go, and spam STOMP TOAD. It's
hardly an issue. Wiccans also have far more potent mana draining abilities than
the comparable guardians do, which is the reason why toading is not a guaranteed
insta.
---[Neos on 3/14 @ 17:31 writes]:
Agree with everything Rivius said.
---[Shuyin on 3/14 @ 20:56 writes]:
Solution 1 only please
---[Alacardael on 3/20 @ 08:28 writes]:
@Rivius I don't necessarily disagree, but I feel like it should be noted that
wiccans also only have access to 1 instakill, as opposed to guardians (timed and
50% mana).
---[Xynthin on 3/21 @ 00:13 writes]:
I agree with Rivius. Toadcurse does not require a stun, nor does it need to be
a 100% kill-on-hit. Solution 1 itself is fine, if doable.
---[Mirami on 3/29 @ 20:52 writes]:
Solution 1 is good.