144235-dye-costyikes

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			Not sure if there is already a topic on this, but dayum cupcake...just came back to the game to give it a go, all good and enjoying myself for the most part, except for the costume dye cost...it is pretty outrageous imo, I guess I don't get the reasons for making dyed gear such a gold sink...I do get charging something for it, but right now it's literally bank breaking, especially if one like's to have many costumes/like's to RP.   I don't expect a free dying system (like GW2, it is pretty nice...), but jeez, the current cost is a bit extreme.  Anyone know why it's so costly?	
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Why? Take a look at that alternative currency you can use to pay for dyeing your gear.
 
It's a cash grab. Carbine increased the cost to dye by 300+% to pressure you into spending money on service tokens.	
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			They know. We've complained at length. They've heard us and have promised some adjustments.	
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They know. We've complained at length. They've heard us and have promised some adjustments.
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 They already made the adjustments they are going to:
 
Holo Wardrobe
The cost of using Average, Good, and Excellent quality dyes has been lowered.https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/143265-game-update-notes-15-october-2015
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Hmm, I read that link...I wonder how much they actually lowered it?  It's still pretty steep as of now.   And like I said, I don't really expect it to be free, but it should def not be a major investment for a toon imo...it's too bad, because the costume system is awesome and could really lend to some great looking scheme's/outfits to be shown and shared if not so financially punitive.  Oh well, not whining, I understand they need to find revenue in creative ways, just wish they could find another method to offset dying cost.
 
Yeah, it costs 1 plat just to dye a head piece with event horizon black...that's just the 3 slot head piece...youza!
			
				
	Edited October 19, 2015 by Rawshu	
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Oh right on. I hadn't done my costuming since then.
 
It's still bad, huh?
 
Can't say I'm surprised, honestly. As Nau points out, it's a pretty sad little cash-grab, placed firmly on the backs of role-players and collectors.
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Yes it's still bad. They reduced the cost, but by a token amount really. Common and Uncommon dyes still cost in the range of 80g and 1p25g to apply to all channels at level 50. Bear in mind that these are dyes that in most cases cost only silver or a few gold to apply to all channels before F2P.
 
For example Zephyrite cost 30s to apply to all channels before F2P. It now costs 80g. That's a 26566% increase!
 
It's a shabby cash grab, no other way to describe it.
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It depends on the rarity of the dye and the level. Some of the rarest dyes haven't changed much in cost from what they were before F2P. But the majority of dyes have seen a massive price hike and the change is most marked for Common and Uncommon dyes.
 
Pre F2P the most common dyes cost 30 silver to apply to all channels. At F2P launch this was inflated to 1p70g to apply to all channels at level 50. After complaints the cost was recently reduced to 80g for all channels. Carbine will spin this by saying they've reduced the cost by 50%, but this is after the cost was raised by 56566%.	
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They barely lowered it at all. It's such a negligible amount it served no purpose whatsoever.
 
It's blatantly obvious that they are just using it as a cash grab now.
 
I'll be honest, I didn't even know they had lowered. The prices don't seem any different now than they did before. I know it was a lot better before going free to play but now you can use service tokens to dye it's your basic cash grab.
 
It's not too bad on low level alts but I know i'll never be using a dye on my 50's. That is just ridiculous pricing.
 
That isn't a gold sink, it's a gold landfill.	
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They barely lowered it at all. It's such a negligible amount it served no purpose whatsoever.
 
It's blatantly obvious that they are just using it as a cash grab now.
 
I'll be honest, I didn't even know they had lowered. The prices don't seem any different now than they did before. I know it was a lot better before going free to play but now you can use service tokens to dye it's your basic cash grab.
 
It's not too bad on low level alts but I know i'll never be using a dye on my 50's. That is just ridiculous pricing.
 
That isn't a gold sink, it's a gold landfill.
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			i dyed all my gear recently to marauder red and it was fine .... like a plat ... considering in the last pvp event people made something stupid like 55 plat in 1 day	
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Cash grab? All it did was convince me not to buy costumes or dyes from their shop. And I'm usually one to spend a lot on such things. Instead of buying solo games, I spend on frills in mmos. 200 per month is not unheard of from me.
But I'm not buying something that is going to keep siphoning Plat from me after purchase whenever I want to use them. Hell no!!!!
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i dyed all my gear recently to marauder red and it was fine .... like a plat ... considering in the last pvp event people made something stupid like 55 plat in 1 day
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i dyed all my gear recently to marauder red and it was fine .... like a plat ... considering in the last pvp event people made something stupid like 55 plat in 1 day
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			I don't mean to keep mentioning ESO in forums but It's the other game I play so I compare and contrast in my mind all the time, and ESO's dyes are free... why should I pay in game gold to dye armor that already paid cash for in the store? That's not only weird but also messed up...	
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I don't mean to keep mentioning ESO in forums but It's the other game I play so I compare and contrast in my mind all the time, and ESO's dyes are free... why should I pay in game gold to dye armor that already paid cash for in the store? That's not only weird but also messed up...
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From what I've noticed it cost half as much as it did before they lowered it, things that cost 15g for a single channel now cost 8g, can't seem to get my lvl 50 to get up to 2 plat to dye every channel like it used to cost, only around 1 plat. (all from a lvl 50 character)
 
..or am I just seeing things? o.O;	
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From what I've noticed it cost half as much as it did before they lowered it, things that cost 15g for a single channel now cost 8g, can't seem to get my lvl 50 to get up to 2 plat to dye every channel like it used to cost, only around 1 plat. (all from a lvl 50 character)
 
..or am I just seeing things? o.O;
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Now that I've seen what it costs to dye costumes, I have a simple strategy: I don't dye my armor at all. I'm just ignoring that part of the game.
 
And since the dye system is too expensive, I don't buy costumes either.
 
(not happy about it, but it's the principle...)	
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			not sure what the big deal is, just dropped 10p on credd and have already made over half of it back in 2-3 days from just running pvp a few hours a night	
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Bob, amigo ... Builder Buddy.
 
Not everyone plays for a "few hours a night" ... I certainly don't. If I'm lucky I get two hours a night and the occasional multi-hour weekend marathon.
 
I PVP'd my butt off this weekend. I made something like 20 Plat over the four days. Of course, I promptly spent all that on Runes for new new PVP set.
 
Of course, what you're *really* saying is "There is plenty of money to be made in-game, go get some!"
 
To which, I have to fully agree with - but that doesn't mean that "wasting" 2 Plat to dye a costume that I just paid 4 Plat to purchase with a dye I just bought for 3 more Plat isn't just a little bit outrageous.
 
It shouldn't cost as much to dye 6 costumes as it does to Rune a full set of Epic Gear. One is just for looks, the other is for actually playing the game.	
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			that's a good point, I haven't even gotten to the running portion of end game yet, I know that's going to cost a bit. and for the record i haven't dyed anything either, still exploring different parts of the game since i came back after launch.	
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I don't mean to keep mentioning ESO in forums but It's the other game I play so I compare and contrast in my mind all the time, and ESO's dyes are free... why should I pay in game gold to dye armor that already paid cash for in the store? That's not only weird but also messed up...
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Heh, what I spent wasn't even PVE gear! It was the PVP set I earned over the weekend.
 
If I want to rune my PVE set, it's going to be *another completely different* small fortune.
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that's a good point, I haven't even gotten to the running portion of end game yet, I know that's going to cost a bit. and for the record i haven't dyed anything either, still exploring different parts of the game since i came back after launch.
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Why? Take a look at that alternative currency you can use to pay for dyeing your gear.
 
It's a cash grab. Carbine increased the cost to dye by 300+% to pressure you into spending money on service tokens.
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^This.
 
Rebel ! Don't use Service Tokens except for the mandatory stuff like Runes. Don't Ever buy runes with Ncoins, you're only contributing to the greediness of Carbinio.
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Yes it's still bad. They reduced the cost, but by a token amount really. Common and Uncommon dyes still cost in the range of 80g and 1p25g to apply to all channels at level 50. Bear in mind that these are dyes that in most cases cost only silver or a few gold to apply to all channels before F2P.
 
For example Zephyrite cost 30s to apply to all channels before F2P. It now costs 80g. That's a 26566% increase!
 
It's a shabby cash grab, no other way to describe it.
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Adjusting my gear post f2p with just barely good enough runes and replacing two armor pieces that lost significant oomph resulted in 50+ Plat cost. And that's without crafting a single rune. I can't afford to craft.
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Can't afford to craft?!
Hell I'm leveling a new character I can barely level my craft within reason XD
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			The costumes and dying them is one of my fave areas of the game but yikes on the price. I wanted to set up a new costume yesterday and it was going to cost me over a plat to do so :P That's a third of my money gone lol XD	
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^This.
 
Rebel ! Don't use Service Tokens except for the mandatory stuff like Runes. Don't Ever buy runes with Ncoins, you're only contributing to the greediness of Carbinio.
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Don't even use Service Tokens for runes. Don't use them at all. Using them does nothing but encourage Carbine to continue making in-game things expensive to push us toward using them.
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All these Engame Raiders got screwed up when F2P came along. That's what Carbine did to their loyal subscribers. I've read that many used Real Money to get their runes back, the runes that they already had, so that they can continue raiding. Ridiculous.
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			I feel this entire thread so hard.  Lost so much plat this weekend dying my new pvp gear. :T	
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^This.
 
Rebel ! Don't use Service Tokens except for the mandatory stuff like Runes. Don't Ever buy runes with Ncoins, you're only contributing to the greediness of Carbinio.
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For those saying "Making 2 plat is super easy in the end-game!", do bear on mind we have a lot of new players right now;many of these players will not be savvy with money making techniques, they don't have the benefit of past big-cash events and money sources; they can't sell CREDD for as much money as you guys once did, they can't mine and vendor resources like you guys did, and of course they have limited access to end-game money sources.
 
With that in mind, these players also, (like everyone before them), need to buy runes, gear up and get ready for end-game (Itself not a cheap process, but doubly so since all the high levels had to re-craft their runes and the strain that placed on the rune market.).
 
For them, throwing 1-1.5 plat on a dye scheme for their outfit is probably not a realistic proposition, yet at the same time it can be extremely grating having to walk around in a clownsuit for many people; if not a complete deal breaker.
 
 
 
 
*I'm a new player too, but I love trading, I love crafting, I love gathering, and I love having nice things; a rather benefical trait that has served to keep my wallet deep in platinum and my clothes stylish since practically the moment I unlocked trade skills.
			
				
	Edited October 19, 2015 by RyuujinZER0	
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			I didnt realize it was this bad, sigh I miss the days of subscribtion mmorpgs where you get everything. And I mean everything.	
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I refuse to even purchase mandatory service tokens for Runing. Sorry, not going to happen. I'll pay another MMO developer first. This whole thing makes the worst Cryptic Studios cash-grab look tame by comparison.
 
And I have to completely agree with Tex, here. I was prepared to purchase two mounts from the cash shop for real money, until I saw they were single character use only. For. Real. Money. Carbine can shove that one.
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They giveth unto you with one hand (costumes on the store) and they slapeth you in the face with the other (dye costs).
 
With F2P I rolled a few fresh toons first so i was only looking at a few silver for a full dye job.  But then I hopped on one of my level 50s and I saw damn near a 2plat price tag!  AND there is this bug going around that resets your custom appearance and it looks like i resets your dye channels too? it happened to me already BUT luckily i was on a level 9 toon.  If that crap happens to me on a level 50 i'm guessing that we arent getting compensated for it? so i'd probably end up running around looking like some scrub with mismatched pieces with different colors.
 
...and people whine about games charging for hide helm options and action bars	
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If the bug wasn't there you could save up for something you really like, at least.
 
But idd with your gear resetting I wouldn't dare to try. I had the reset on a very low char (phew!) but it really resets everything: looks and dye, so you have to pay twice and try to find whatever you had figured out all over again.
 
This thread makes me realize I'm just going to have my low level chars make some costumes and hope they stay. After that it's either clown gear or old costumes. Still thanks for the heads up ;).	
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			Well, I'm glad it wasn't just me over reacting to dye cost...clearly this rubs many a cupcake the wrong way.   Like many others have said, I would much more willing to spend $ in cash shop on costumes, dyes, etc...if it didn't cost so much just to change it's color.  They really need to do something about it imo...$10 on a costume that costs 3-4 plat to dye, ow my butt...
			
				
	Edited October 20, 2015 by Rawshu	
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I see people say "but it's easy to get plat at 50" and it is, for some.
 
I'm sat at 8 plat but i'm an altoholic, I could make more but I barely touch my 50.
 
That is besides the point though, it shouldn't cost anywhere near a plat for dye. It shouldn't be reaching double gold figures. It's a joke. I want to know who came up with this pricing scheme, not just in dye but everything that costs any form of currency in this game. I want to know who it is so I can point and I can laugh in their general direction. 	
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