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Lets have a nice, big thread talkign about this wonderful event.
 
I know it's bugged (at the time of this posting) But man, I don't even care, it's fun already.
 
A taste of the deradune track for you all:
 
https://youtu.be/f7cDtBsxsX0
 
I apologize for the low quality - haven't been able to get my computer to run things smooth ever :P	
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			Just as an update.  We have tracked down the issue and we're working on getting a fix out.	
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Just as an update.  We have tracked down the issue and we're working on getting a fix out.
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You know what I love best about having a day job?
 
No, it's not the money, the prestige or the satisfaction of a job well-done.
 
It's knowing that things in my favorite game always break overnight or first thing in the morning, so I never have to do more than watch everyone else get frustrated.
 
Then, by the time I get home, everything is fixed and working. :lol:
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I love an event that makes me worry.
 
I worry because the hoverboard that was part of the whole build up to this event that most of us thought was obtainable through the event is in the cash shop.
 
I worry because it makes me think it's a cash shop only hoverboard.
 
I worry because doing that defeats the whole purpose of a hoverboard event when the prize for such an event, which one would presume to be a hoverboard, is not in fact a hoverboard but simply costume items and few bits of decor.
 
I know that won't be the case though.
 
I know, deep down, that nobody at Carbine is stupid enough to make that hoverboard a cash shop only item. It would take a special kind of foolish to do that in an event based around hoverboards and nobody at Carbine is that foolish.
			
				
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I'm hoping that as well - it's a really nice looking mount :(
 
A tad more on topic - Whitevale track is super fun, if not a bit terrifying.
 
Celestion feels like a troll.	
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			I worry that it is only applicable to one character and not account bound and is still on the cash shop. Carbino, do I have to start spraying water at your face?	
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			Sorry for the delay all, this event should now be working.	
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			wait, you can't win the hoverboard through the event????!!!	
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If I'm to believe the deep dive, and the rewards I'm seeing from the three daily quests I've found (one per area) there's no hoverboard reward anywhere but on the cash shop. I'm not even surprised really. Nevertheless another huge disappointment.
 
Mind you however that I love the races themselves. They are great fun!
			
				
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			Man, carbine, I don't even know what to say anymore. The costume is not something that great either, we got a los of models already in game that look like it	
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If I'm to believe the deep dive, and the rewards I'm seeing from the three daily quests I've found (one per area) there's no hoverboard reward anywhere but on the cash shop. I'm not even surprised really considering the disgusting cash shop practices we've seen.
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Wait ... so the BEST REWARD for this event is a CASH SHOP ITEM WE HAVE TO PAY FOR?!?!?!
 
What. The. Ever-Loving. Crap. Is. This?!?!?!?!
 
My Lord. You guys are just ... I can't even put my thought here without breaking about ten forum rules.
 
Suffice to say, I'll be making the rounds on the various fan sites and gaming sites to point this horsheshit out to everyone.	
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			Board is cash shop only.  My excitement for this event just fizzled.  Hope you registered the nuclear weapons y'all are using to shoot off your feet.	
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			This was sooooooo fun, sososososososo sooooo fun, my only complaint: it was over too soon! 	
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Man, carbine, I don't even know what to say anymore. The costume is not something that great either, we got a los of models already in game that look like it
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Board is cash shop only.  My excitement for this event just fizzled.  Hope you registered the nuclear weapons y'all are using to shoot off your feet.
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I love the event. The Tracks are insane and i wish it would appear more often - at least once a year around 21st of October to celebrate #BackToTheFuture Day! (There should also be an event around #TowelDay - you know why ;) )
 
About the hoverboard & cash shop:
 
I don't mind buying the one or other thing from the cash shop but what i do mind is getting ripped off. The price is way too high for a single use item - i wouldn't hesitate to buy it if it was account bound and usable for all my characters (i guss that has been said 1-43 times before... i might even get the haunted house FABKit). The pricing and/or account boundedness (is that even a word?) has to change if you want me to buy those things. Period.	
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Or you can decide to not participate in the event. It's a very minor one at that too. 
This is F2P. Expecting anything less than this with how fair their current F2P model is; is pretty absurd on its own. 
 
Not to white knight and all. I get the problem with lack of account wide mounts, but placing the hoverboard in the shop was not unexpected. 	
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Not unexpected? That board was the draw, the feature, the one thing they pushed for this event.
 
That's not how you pimp an event. You don't show the world the singular best thing about an event and then lock it behind a paywall. The Shade's Eve mount is cool, but it's not the "Selling Point" of the entire holiday. This entire "Back to the Future" hoverboard event is about THE HOVERBOARD.
 
And if you want it, drop $20 for ONE CHARACTER to unlock it.	
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Well it was not a surprise, and people expected to be in the cash shop, the moment they dint tell us in past livestreams where to get the z88 hoverboard, dat basically told us it would be a cash shop item, problem is 20$ which here is R$70 something, almost the price of a full game, and its single character use, i might buy it but lets see how this unfolds
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Not unexpected? That board was the draw, the feature, the one thing they pushed for this event.
 
That's not how you pimp an event. You don't show the world the singular best thing about an event and then lock it behind a paywall. The Shade's Eve mount is cool, but it's not the "Selling Point" of the entire holiday. This entire "Back to the Future" hoverboard event is about THE HOVERBOARD.
 
And if you want it, drop $20 for ONE CHARACTER to unlock it.
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Not unexpected? That board was the draw, the feature, the one thing they pushed for this event.
 
That's not how you pimp an event. You don't show the world the singular best thing about an event and then lock it behind a paywall. The Shade's Eve mount is cool, but it's not the "Selling Point" of the entire holiday. This entire "Back to the Future" hoverboard event is about THE HOVERBOARD.
 
And if you want it, drop $20 for ONE CHARACTER to unlock it.
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			It's a fun event, even if the rewards are terrible. Me, I'm planning on hoarding the housing decor items -- they're actually kind of useful.	
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Not unexpected? That board was the draw, the feature, the one thing they pushed for this event.
 
That's not how you pimp an event. You don't show the world the singular best thing about an event and then lock it behind a paywall. The Shade's Eve mount is cool, but it's not the "Selling Point" of the entire holiday. This entire "Back to the Future" hoverboard event is about THE HOVERBOARD.
 
And if you want it, drop $20 for ONE CHARACTER to unlock it.
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			what happened to : "everything is also obtainable ingame?"	
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what happened to : "everything is also obtainable ingame?"
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what happened to : "everything is also obtainable ingame?"
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			Yeah. Finding out the board is cash shop only and single character only... I'm not even going to bother with this event. 	
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Only after you unlock it on every character for $20 each. Hey! Semantics, right?!
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Also, the shop is technically "in game", right?
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Carbine needs to make money somehow
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Carbine, why you breakin my heart like this? you're meant to be the FUTURE of mmos here, not going backwards.
 
Not very good crabene, not very good at all.	
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what happened to : "everything is also obtainable ingame?"
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There's a bit of a reference you're missing :P
 
Love the event now that it's on.  Nice fun, and the titles are pretty fun as well!
 
Still a huge disappointment about the actual hoverboard though :[
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I was really excited about the prospect of zooming along on a Delorean hoverboard.
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Then I discovered it was a single-use cash shop item, and I felt like I had zoomed straight into the back of a truck filled with horseshit.	
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			Turn the race tracks into permanent challenges then make some more? I loooooved the race tracks!	
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			My biggest complaint (shockingly is not about the Hoverboard) is that the housing decor items are soulbound.  It would have been nice to be able to trade them at least between account characters.	
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what happened to : "everything is also obtainable ingame?"
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			Wait so... there is an event that is all about hoverboards but you have to pay for the board if you want it?!?Did someone bump their head?Stuff being cash shop exclusive doesn't normally bother me at all but that just seems bizarre.	
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Great Scott!
 
Decor is soulbound??
 
Please tell me that the costume pieces can be exported to holowardrobe and used across characters... or do we have to farm a full set of those on every character as well???	
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Please tell me that the costume pieces can be exported to holowardrobe and used across characters... or do we have to farm a full set of those on every character as well???
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Lets have a nice, big thread talkign about this wonderful event.
 
I know it's bugged (at the time of this posting) But man, I don't even care, it's fun already.
 
A taste of the deradune track for you all:
 
https://youtu.be/f7cDtBsxsX0
 
I apologize for the low quality - haven't been able to get my computer to run things smooth ever :P
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Great Scott!
 
Decor is soulbound??
 
Please tell me that the costume pieces can be exported to holowardrobe and used across characters... or do we have to farm a full set of those on every character as well???
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Yup, but if you want the costume achievement on all your toons you will need to collect all 4 pieces on all of your toons.
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Is it broken like some of the other costume achievements?
 
Example: You can only unlock the achievement for the Sci-Tek weapons once you unlocked them all on their respective classes first.
I assume that this is a bug and should be fixed. You should be able to get the holo warobe achievements account wide for obvious reasons.
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They are exportable to your wardrobes and can be used across your characters.
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			Wait, may I express my gratitude for the event disattached from the conversation going on here? If so, then bravo Carbine - the tracks are pretty damn cool and I wouldn't have expected an event during another event (Shade's Eve). Thanks for that.	
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I am going to have to disagree with the people complaining that the hover board is in the cash store. At the end of the day Carbine has to make money to keep the game running and limited time offerings will help them acheive this (not touching single use vs account bound whichI do agree should be changed).
 
For me this is a really nice event. I haven't had a chance to do it yet but it looks like the races are going to be fun to do. I don't care if I get 'rewards' for doing the races; I'm just glad that I can do them ... for fun. I'd do them even if there were zero rewardsl some costumes or decor is a nice bonus.
 
Why does everyone expect to get 'free stuff' when they add a fun event for us to do? The 'whole point' should be to enjoy yourself, not to get some pixels that work exactly the same as some other pixels you already have.
 
I'm sure I'll get flamed hard for this...	
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I'm sure I'll get flamed hard for this...
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			How as an exile am i supposed to get to the Deradune track?	
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How as an exile am i supposed to get to the Deradune track?
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Wait ... so the BEST REWARD for this event is a CASH SHOP ITEM WE HAVE TO PAY FOR?!?!?!
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I am not the type to speak out, cause really I love this game so much and I know they are doing their best to fix everything. only game I have loved in a long long time, (since WoW, I know.. but it's my childhood sorta). I was sad to see it as a cash shop and then I got over it, however, if I wanted to support them (which I do) I rather it be ACCOUNT BOUND. that's my only problem with the game right now, Account bound items arn't a thing (except holowardrobe.) 
 
IMO , MORE people will be inclined to buy mounts/pets/dyes IF they were account bound, plus I haven't been into cosmetic items as much as other people, so my opinion might vary. I'll still play the game, but when an item gives me the urge to pay (for the first time) it's dishearting to realize its not account bound, cause I don't want to spend 20 bucks? on an item and not show it off on my other toon.
 
well that's my input.. we need Account bound, I get they need money, they are a business, but every other game I have played has account bound stuff. 	
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			I guess now you can call "reward" to something that you payed for with your own money. English is so damn hard, man...	
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well that's my input.. we need Account bound, I get they need money, they are a business, but every other game I have played has account bound stuff. 
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I really love this event, i loved it on the PTR and i love it now tho the tracks feel slower than the PTR.
 
As for the cash shop only mount it does not bother me, i don't mind putting $15 down for an event mount, after all this is a business & i get that. WHAT I DON"T like is that this mount is not Account Wide.
Make your mounts we buy from your store ACCOUNT WIDE PLEASE. :D 
Once again loved this event.	
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This is an awesome, amazing, phenomenally creative and exhilarating event!
... and after a little thought, we concluded that perhaps the reason that they put a hoverboard, into the cash shop was to make a hoverboard available to all players so they could participate in the event. Well, that's a super cool and thoughtful thing to do! Some of our new low level players may not have planned on saving up for the 10g (or whatever the price is today) hoverboard at the mount vendor. But... using this reasoning as our point of reference here is an alternative to how this all could have played out:
 
We could have seen a base model hoverboard placed into the cash shop for those players who needed a hoverboard. Maybe just one plain solid color that came in a few different color options. Let's say Black, Red, Blue and White. Charge a couple bucks for the base model (uh-oh the key here is that it would be redeemable account wide! :) ). Then maybe we also find that the retro-big-awesome event version is in the the cash shop next to the basic model, only this one has a phenomenally-monumentally-mind-blowing-cool twist on the coloration for collectors! Woot! (also redeemable account wide, because again it's just simply the right thing to do). Lastly perhaps the not quite so tricked out but equally bad*ss model is the overall event completion reward. Everybody could have probably lived with that structure. The way it was actually implemented is, well, disheartening.
 
The bottom line is, we want to support Wildstar. We want it around for a good long time...
We're not feeling the love, exactly, in return with these kinds of decisions around this in-game store in particular.
We're feeling a bit like we're all trivialized into varying degrees of animated dollar signs.
			
				
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Where is the Achievement for a character acquiring and/or equipping all of the hoverboard event costume pieces?
 
I can't see one listed in the General tab with all of the other costume achievements, and the only achievement listed in the Hoverboard Live Event tab is the one to complete all 3 dailies.	
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Shade's eve page did this too.
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Where is the Achievement for a character acquiring and/or equipping all of the hoverboard event costume pieces?
 
I can't see one listed in the General tab with all of the other costume achievements, and the only achievement listed in the Hoverboard Live Event tab is the one to complete all 3 dailies.
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Carbine, I'm pretty tolerant and accepting of a lot of stuff you do. But in this case even I have to admit you screwed up pretty good. Thus you are worthy of the angry pic:
 
 	
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i love LOVE!!! the tracks and i want the music sooooo much for my home. but i am very displeased with the hover board that was posted is not only cash shop but single character (which also destroys my theory from early). carbine like really? you have the event and you make it awesome... why trip at the finish? you could have easily made it where you get one piece a day for the event if you complete each race within the day. OR even better you could have set a time run and in completing that time run you get a piece of flair/the board a day. 
 
so many ways to have given the board for free in the event by doing stuff. hell if you made the board ATLEAST account bound then i would remove half of the anger towards it (which tbh should be THAT hard as there are PLENTY of mounts that are account wide).
 
 
well the races are a blast thankfully.	
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Shade's eve page did this too.
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I tend to take f2p cash shops with a grain of salt. And while that might sometimes make me a little salty, unless there's an actual pay wall stopping me from playing or progressing, I try to keep it in perspective.
 
Before you read the rest of my post, I want you to keep in mind that I'm not defending Carbine on this topic. It definitely could have been handled better.
 
I want you to ask yourself:
 
Did you have to pay to play the event?
 
Did you have fun?
 
Was the event required to progress your character?
 
Are the rewards cosmetic only?
 
Yeah, carbine screwed up. But ultimately it's not actually stopping you from playing and having fun. Which, presumably, is why we're here.
 
It would have been much better if the mounts could be either unlocked OR bought. IMHO that's the way to do cash shops. Pay for convenience or shortcuts. Don't exclude.	
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It makes me sad though, they promised this would not happen and it has.
 
Ofc only the very loyal customers seem to get really whiny about it, but in all honesty we love the game and just want to help out.
 
Spending a lot of money for cosmetics for ONE CHAR for an event where it says it's a "reward" is just like... why bother?
 
Although in honesty, I think the hoverboard mount you can get with shade silver is WAY cooler.	
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Carbine, I'm pretty tolerant and accepting of a lot of stuff you do. But in this case even I have to admit you screwed up pretty good. Thus you are worthy of the angry pic:
 
 
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You know what I love best about having a day job?
 
No, it's not the money, the prestige or the satisfaction of a job well-done.
 
It's knowing that things in my favorite game always break overnight or first thing in the morning, so I never have to do more than watch everyone else get frustrated.
 
Then, by the time I get home, everything is fixed and working. :lol:
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Yeah, carbine screwed up. But ultimately it's not actually stopping you from playing and having fun. Which, presumably, is why we're here.
 
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While I am 100% behind being upset about the mount/single use and it's price, you can, technically, get it with omnibits which are gotten in-game.
 
Weather or not you'd be able to save up enough by the time it's gone though - well that's a whole nother story.
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			There is a big topic on Wildstar's Reddit page as well about what Carbine has done with these events in terms of the mounts & shop. https://www.reddit.com/r/WildStar/comments/3pn27k/speaking_with_your_wallet_nexians/	
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			I can deal with cash shop only, but single character only?? Even in WoW all your characters get mounts/pets.	
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Did you have fun?
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I'm getting a hoverboard at the end of the shades eve event. 
 
Fun, I covered that in another thread. First time, yes, now it's just a necessity for what I want.
 
I haven't, nor will I, be touching the hoverboard event. The sole reason I was looking forward to it was getting that hoverboard at the end of it. Turns out that hoverboard, which used to market the event I might add, is cash shop only.
 
At the end of the day we don't need to pay to have fun but that's the point, there is no incentive to pay. The game won't survive if people don't throw money at them.
 
They are shooting themselves in the foot with their pricing and limitations on cash shop items.
 
This sort of pricing is what I expect from games with a multi million player base. I see it in WoW when my wife buys her mini pets and mounts and I see it in FFXIV with their mounts. The difference there is the items are account bound and they have the players to warrant that price scheme.
 
Wildstar has already tanked and it doesn't have the best reputation. On top of that it doesn't have enough loyal support to warrant pulling off premium pricing for single character items. I can see the thought behind it, to get people to buy it for all their alts, but that's not how it works.
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			Stop complaining about the hoverboard being in the cash shop. The game is free. The WHOLE game for *cupcake*s sake. 
			
				
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Stop complaining about the hoverboard being in the cash shop. The game is free. The WHOLE game for *cupcake*s sake. 
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Shhh Oli we can't complain about our addiction...
 
And I'm in a similar boat. I have all the cosmic stuff, I have my awesome ikthian mount, I have signature for another 16 months and I want to throw MORE money at the cash shop specials for the events and the mounts because I friggin love this game. But I feel ripped off doing it.
 
I don't care that I paid all that money for a game, it felt like money well spent. But right now I can't justify the price for ONE character. For my whole account, yes, HECK YES, but having to choose between one of 5 level 50s who should have which mount is literally making me so sad. I want them all to have the pretties :'c	
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was anounced to run 5 days... not sure when it resets thoughand to the guys complayining about the hoverboard an who threatens to quit...well carbine messed up with the anouncement but i see it like this: someone has to pay so that the game survives but if you don't like this structure: don't buy it. nobody forces you to get it.
 
you could easily play Swotr where you get- less xp if you're f2p (basically in wildstar it's the same but: it gets advertised as paying players get a little bit xp on top while swotr says "free players level slower")- have to pay to get a 3rd and 4th action... yes! they're selling you an an ui!
- to get stuff from dungeons (you only get fully rewarded for 3 dungeons per week if you don't pay money)
- send mails (yes: if you don't pay, you can't send mails... dafuq), and more.basically saying: while others deny you content if you don't pay wildstar get you some stuff on top which isnt even needed... the shop isn't that good atm though...
			
				
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was anounced to run 5 days... not sure when it resets though
 
and to the guys complayining about the hoverboard an who threatens to quit...
 
well carbine messed up with the anouncement but i see it like this: someone has to pay so that the game survives but if you don't like this structure: don't buy it. nobody forces you to get it.
 
you could easily play Swotr where you get
- less xp if you're f2p (basically in wildstar it's the same but: it gets advertised as paying players get a little bit xp on top while swotr says "free players level slower")
- have to pay to get a 3rd and 4th action... yes! they're selling you an an ui!
- to get stuff from dungeons (you only get fully rewarded for 3 dungeons per week if you don't pay money)
- send mails (yes: if you don't pay, you can't send mails... dafuq), 
 
and more.
 
basically saying: while others deny you content if you don't pay wildstar get you some stuff on top which isnt even needed... the shop isn't that good atm though...
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Stop complaining about the hoverboard being in the cash shop. The game is free. The WHOLE game for *cupcake*s sake. 
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The only thing anyone is justified in complaining about is the fact that like all the other cash shop mounts they are LUDICROUSLY not account wide and are one char only. Boycott them and give feedback about it in the link bellow until this changes.
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/144301-ncstore-single-character-use/
 
However, if you exclude that (kinda major point) it's MORE free content with races, costumes and other items.
 
How do you expect Carbine to make any money? They are giving you free content that most people seem to be enjoying.
 
The game is already 99.9% free! Calm your farm and think about this reasonably guys, they could have just done nothing at all!	
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The event is cool as hell, and I'd love to see the races become something of a monthly event (maybe on one weekend a month) or something, with alternating tracks. 
 
However, I've got to say I'm really disappointed that the hoverboard that was hyped so much is cash shop only, and not only that, but it's 1190 NCoin (and still single character only!!!).  If this was the plan I think there should of been one earnable in-game mount, then colour variations on the cash shop, or just two different mounts.  Shade's Eve is getting a pass on the hate because at least we can still earn the hoverboard, but people do these events for the cool cosmetics, and mounts are the biggest part of that. 
 
I'm putting a lot of this down to Carbine having teething issues with F2P, but honestly these kinds of decisions are going to do more damage in the long run.  Prices need to be lower, big purchases of NCoin need to come at a discount (though I know that's an NCSoft Issue), we need alternative content on the cash shop without gutting the 'core' rewards of events from them and finally anything cosmetic (including mounts), possibly with the exception of dyes, needs to be account bound with repeatable claiming, not single use.
 
I've spent *a lot* of money on WildStar, because I enjoy the game and want to support a studio that's been through some difficult times (and if we're being honest, the F2P model is so unobtrusive to the core game it's a miracle), but please, please, please sort your cash shop mechanics and prices out, and whilst we're at it, stop pushing out patches that 'cause more issues than they fix!  Though that's a topic for a different thread. 	
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what if he has a running subscription? isnt that paying?
why are we forced to buy it in the shop if we want it? why cant we earn it by playing the content or buy it for x gold ingame?
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Shhh Oli we can't complain about our addiction...
 
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Most of the ppl here cannot see the whole Store issues in the whole context and complain about every single item.
They've already collected feedback about Subscription not giving any NC coin, right? When they'll change it in the future, store mounts will be available to subs without much issues. Also F2P just hit and we haven't had many weeks of Omni  Bits, by Christhmas i'll be able to buy store only items using my OmniBits no problem. 
 
I haven't checked it myself but b4 f2p patch they were saying that all (most?) items from ca$h store could be sold on AH, so you can buy them for gold if someone buy them for making some plats.
 
Hoverboard surprisingly wasn't here back then, if you REALLY want it pay for it.
 
I myself ain't gonna by anything from Halloween event and neither this hoverboard since I'm againt f2p models. It's my choice not to spend any money, and I'll deal with not having some mounts, costumes, etc.
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It wasn't that one.
Mounts were ingame at start as well, do you expect all mounts to be free as well, then?
 
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It wasn't that one.
Mounts were ingame at start as well, do you expect all mounts to be free as well, then?
 
Edit: My sub runs out in 2016 btw.
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what if he has a running subscription? isnt that paying?
why are we forced to buy it in the shop if we want it? why cant we earn it by playing the content or buy it for x gold ingame?
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Seeing as I pay a sub, yes I expect to have access to ALL content.
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you have acess to all content... this hoverboard can simply be seen as a skin... which in fact is not content
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they *cupcake*ed up the announcement yes... but do you guys really wanna whine about every new item released?
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not quite sure what running subscriptions have to do with the ingame shop. they never announced that you get stuff from the shop for "free" if you have a subscription. Or do you get mounts in wow, tera (excluding the one you get for tera plus - new ones have to be bought) and all the others for free if you are running a subscription? 
 
if you want it buy it. if you don't want to pay: let it be. simple as that
 
i paid 200 euro in total till now for running a subscription and buying the game before f2p. am i complaining now that i don't get more free stuff than the items i already got? and which currenct subscribers can earn too? no
 
they *cupcake*ed up the announcement yes... but do you guys really wanna whine about every new item released?
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Seeing as I pay a sub, yes I expect to have access to ALL content.
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If you think we're whining about "every new item" then you obviously haven't been paying attention or you are purposefully trying to change the narrative to fit your viewpoint.
 
The complaints about the hoverboard being a cash shop item, yet touted as a "reward" for the event, is the issue. It's not that they put an item on the shop, it's the concentrated attempt to deceive the player base. Look at the top of Page 4 of this thread and look at the Flaming Pig mount, floating about the word REWARD and tell me that's not misleading? 
 
Add to it the "one toon lock-out" and it goes from misleading to damn-near predatory.
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Difference there is that I'm not paying a subscription for those games.
So yes, if I want something for a free game, I pay for it.
WildStar however is not free.
 
Nice try at the analogy though	
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Difference there is that I'm not paying a subscription for those games.
So yes, if I want something for a free game, I pay for it.
WildStar however is not free.
 
Nice try at the analogy though
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it is free... not quite sure for what i'm forced to pay instead of shop stuff what also can be bought by playing the game (omnibits)
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To be honest we aren't paying a subscription anymore. I mean, we call it like that but a sub supposedly give access to the full game.
What we're paying monthly for is: additional bonuses. Not the full game.
I know it sucks for us who didn't want the game to turn f2p because of store bs like these but that's how it is now.
 
For instance if they removed Omni Bits cap for signature members, we'll be able to farm our store items no prob without them being "free/easy to get".
			
				
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No it's not.
WildStar is still sub-based for me, ticking happily at 12 euro a month.
And WildStar so far has costed me 400 euro.
I'm not really sure where you get this concept from that the game is free.
 
Switching to F2P does not suddenly invalidated the past hundred euro's i've spend, nor do they automagically appear back in my bank account.
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To be honest we aren't paying a subscription anymore. I mean, we call it like that but a sub supposedly give access to the full game.
What we're paying monthly for is: additional bonuses. Not the full game.
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Well, the part of me that is irritated about that bit of underhanded "let's slip the cash shop purchase into our announcement about the new racing activity"  is now officially outweighed by the part of me that is concerned about being so busy schooling Carbine on how to be upfront in their marketing that the new racing activity gets marginalized in the process.
 
Carbine, the races are FUN. The prizes in them are fun. Even the cash shop goodies are fun. The one mistake you made in this whole thing was not being nearly clear enough about what was in the game and what was in the cash shop. And that was a misstep, no question. I don't actually mind that you have cash shop items that tie into your content, I kind of expect it. But please do be more clear about what's in the shop and what isn't in future unveils.
 
As for the races themselves, they're extremely well done and this morning two of the chat channels I frequent were talking about how awesome these race courses are. Really enjoying not just the new content but the new type of content--and it gives all of us something to tell people who show up here about. I'm looking forward to more of these in the future!  B)
 
Overall, high marks on this. 9/10, will be doing a whole lot of it again.  :)	
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			I think the only thing I'd change about the races is giving them their own little instance to combat stuttering and lag. It gets pretty bad in those areas for me now (or maybe it's the F2P player influx). But I will say I'm thankful you can take as long as you want to reach the finish line and still receive the rewards. I missed a checkpoint once and had to redo half of the course, but I still got rewarded for it. That was a smart decision.	
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As I made a post earlier, I love the races and I wish it would stay as a permanent challenge to the game.
But I too was very disappointed that a hoverboard event didn't have a hoverboard reward and was a cash shop only.
Sure you can buy it with omnibits, but with the time constraint and the Shade event going on at the same time, it's unrealistic.
I'm okay with haunted house and the ghostly mount being cash shop items (though it would be even better if it was account-bound for that price) but this is an event that exists because of hoverboard! Kind of defeats the purpose really.
I know it's just fluff and you don't "need" it to play the game, but this is a problem I have with a lot of other MMORPG cash shops: single-character items costing as much as base game.
If you lower the price and/or make it account bound, a lot more people will buy it = more money for you!
Let me spend (more) money on you dammit!	
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Let me spend (more) money on you dammit!
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I've done something here i've never done before in a free to play MMO with optional subscription.
 
I'm 100% freebotting.
 
I always prefer to keep a sub up because it's always the better option, except here.
 
I've got zero incentive to spend anything. While I would love to set up my sub again, I can't justify supporting this business model. I would love to buy some things from the shop but, again, I can't justify supporting this business model.
 
I believe Tex said in another post that it isn't a money issue, it's a matter of principal, and that's true. Me and my wife both have well paying jobs and are more than willing to support the game. What we aren't willing to do is support Carbines decisions at this time.
 
Before some halfwit chimes in with "why don't you play another game then", my issue isn't with the game. I've enjoyed the game since beta. I left last year because of dead servers and i'm playing for free this year because I can't support Carbine and these ridiculous business decisions. 
 
Game is great, Carbines terrible business model is bad.	
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I 100% agree, any mounts, pets or house items,that cost over $10.00, really need to be account wide. I mistakenly purchased the ZPRIX hoverboard thinking I could use it on my two favorite characters, Esper and SpellSlinger...what a shame that I can't. I have no problem spending $60+ a month on cosmetic items. But, I will not spend that much on 1 item just to have it on my favorite characters. That would be absolutely ridiculous. 	 	
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Game is great, Carbines terrible business model is bad.
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			The misleading announcement damn near ruined the event for me! I was so looking forward to earning that beast of a hoverboard, to find out it has nothing to do with the event itself and is the exclusive cash-shop item. I got past it though, and the races are a ton of fun. But this was a crappy move by Carbine, NCSoft or both.	
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It's a real rush going so fast and the music is awesome, wish I could do it all day even without any purpose than to do the race.
 
But it was confusing at first because the arrows and checkpoints didn't load in time at all. I didn't know where to go, died on the roads when falling down outside of the track (because no arrows) and apparently I had missed checkpoints that I never saw because they loaded behind my back (sneaky cupcakes).
 
I still love it and finished the tracks after slowing down often enough for the game to catch up. A pity f2pay cashing made the water under the hoverboards salty to a lot of people, understandable though. Then again, apparently it's needed to keep this game afloat.
 
*gasp* now I know! This game needs a hoverboard to keep it afloat! This whole race is a metaphore of... itself! 	
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I just wanted to say I really enjoyed this event and I thought the tracks were really well done.  I can't believe this was done right in the middle of zones.  Bravo on the event, I want more of it.
 
I did have some pop in issues with the arrows and rings as well as some lag that caused me to get off track completely.
 
There is much more you can do with this event as well.   Racing others at same time, team races, battle races, etc.  Hoverboarding is just fun in this game and you can really continue to play off that.
 
Thanks for a well done event and great halloween event too!	
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overall it was tons of fun.
 
the only issues i had was that sometimes it wouldnt recognize that i went over one of the ramps and instead of making me jump it did nothing. Also, some of the rings wouldnt register and cause me to lose my speed buff sometimes. not often though.
 
was anyone able to get to that end shortcut checkpoint in Deradune?? The one that looks like it's in the mid of nowhere. 
			
				
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Yup.
 
And it's not the ENTIRE model.
 
It's two big things:
 
1. Lack of genuine long-term benefits to being a subscriber.
 
2. The single-character cosmetic items sold at full premium price.
 
Fix those and they can keep my $15/month *and* get me to actual spend additional money.
 
Leave those things alone, and get NONE of my money - and earn my big, fat mouth spouting off to everyone to keep their money and not support these practices.
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overall it was tons of fun.
 
the only issues i had was that sometimes it wouldnt recognize that i went over one of the ramps and instead of making me jump it did nothing. Also, some of the rings wouldnt register and cause me to lose my speed buff sometimes. not often though.
 
was anyone able to get to that end shortcut checkpoint in Deradune?? The one that looks like it's in the mid of nowhere. 
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Even World of Warcraft uses this method with mounts...they getting a lot of stick on thier forums over putting the new mounts in thier blizzard store-- yet people still buy them!
 
Reminds me of an advert I saw ages ago about a guy buying a chocolate bar and was moaning like mad over how expensive it was while he was eating it then turned around all whinging while shoveling it in his mouth saying "give me another one!" and complaining about the price of that one...for the life of me cant recall what the advert was about- but this is defo the same thing...People will moan about the price and such but will still go and buy it.
 
I think they somehwat dropped the ball on the hoverboard though....they should of made it account wide but i think they got a bit to greedy thinking about it and I am pretty sure the sales of the board isn't as great as they where expecting - I can tell you now had it been account wide- they would of sold a lot more and made quite a nice bit of $$$ from it..... as a lot more people would be willing to buy it from cash shop if its account wide.......case in point majority of other mmo's do this!
			
				
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Yup.
 
And it's not the ENTIRE model.
 
It's two big things:
 
1. Lack of genuine long-term benefits to being a subscriber.
 
2. The single-character cosmetic items sold at full premium price.
 
Fix those and they can keep my $15/month *and* get me to actual spend additional money.
 
Leave those things alone, and get NONE of my money - and earn my big, fat mouth spouting off to everyone to keep their money and not support these practices.
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Hope this makes it to the game makers, I absolutely loved this content.
 
Every race was different enough to not get repetitive, loved the 'off roads' reference to the movie notification (forget the exact wording), and the rewards (BTTF gear). 
 
All I can say is...Great Scott!!! I loved this content...looking forward to more. 	
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