108541-what-am-i-paying-for

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UPDATED 15 Aug 2014
 
So... four hours this evening. How was it for you sir?
 
Well... on the plus side, PvP maps popped on a regular basis.
 
And?
 
Well, PvP maps popped on a regular basis.
 
However;
 
They were all Walatiki.  You sit around for a long time waiting for Halls to pop, but what's the point? What's the point of waiting 20+ minutes for a game, particularly when there's a chance of afk'ers and bots. Plus... I want to play a game, I like playing this game. I love my Engi PvP Tank.
 
So... Walatiki then.
 
Same 4 players kept appearing all night, I could name them, other players could name them.  Afk'ers and bots the lot.  Got an afk'er or bot on your team?  Then you've got your work cut out to win. Got two? Then hope the other team has at least three afk'ers or bots.
 
Is everything working as intended Carbine/NCSoft? You don't even get kicked for being AFK.
 
Now some people think that I don't like this game.  Well, the good news is that I do.  I love MMORPG's, but (and I don't care if this is a new game with a few bugs to iron out... not kicking afk'ers and bots isn't just 'a few bugs', it's a game ruining experience) my favourite parts aren't working.
 
All because I'm not interested in the other (insert arbitrary number here based on whatever random statistics you pull out of your ar*e) %, doesn't mean that the bit I like can be ignored when it comes to making it work as intended. I should note at this point that, what a lot of people are forgetting is that the End Game regarding PvE isn't that much bigger that the entire PvP experience; so think about that next time you start rummaging up your sphincter for some random numbers.
 
Now I've already mentioned why the other parts of the game don't interest me, it's because there's no challenge in levelling PvE, and Raiding is just about learning dance steps to whatever tune the raid plays *yawn*. But can PvP be written off as a niche? There's PvP servers, arenas, battlegrounds and warplots. Those aren't niche's are they?
 
So... heh... you're raiding right and you come to the first boss. Oh No!!! Your tank has just wandered off doing his own thing.  What's he doing just running into that wall... and why is that guy just running straight for the boss?  Er.. ROFLSTOMP...
 
Wipe...
 
*several wipes at first boss later....*
 
Well I'm sorry guys, it's bedtime/worktime/familytime/hammertime for me so I've got to go.
 
Ok, thanks for a great night. Maybe tomorrow the bots will have gone... ... ...
 
Meanwhile, due to a quirk in the code (to represent how bots gain xp etc... in PvP) those afk'ers and bots are getting gold, loot and XP off your back.  Hell, they're probably not even paying cash for playing.  You get up, go to work or whatever for a few weeks and there you have a nice lvl50 toon with enough plat to buy CREDD.
 
Leeches, sponges.... those are just some of the polite terms for these people ruining your game experience.
 
I don't want to pay for that.  I want to pay for the PvP part that works as intended.  I want to play the game, I like playing the game and I'm willing to pay to play the game, but so far I've had two months of broken PvP.
 
I'd like a refund please.  I don't want to cancel my account, but I'd like a refund for every month that the game isn't working as intended.  I can handle bugs, downtimes and all the other things that go with PC and online gaming, but what I do not like is players that are obviously breaking the rules; they should be banned.
 
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tl;dr - Sub not worth it when most PvP is a broken, bot filled Walatiki.
The game engine is great... it's just got nowhere to go.
 
 
I took out a 3 month sub on what was a very promising game.  A solid game engine with a good control system and it looks great as well.
 
However, I got bored with the formulaic PvE levelling system by about level 15 and went straight into PvP (which I prefer, I like unexpected combat dynamics and a bit of skill to boot), and things were just fine.  Bought some CREDD to sell so I could level up my armour crafting to keep me in decent gear whilst PvP'ing.
 
Of course, I wasn't on a PvP server, but from what I hear, there's not actually much PvP on those servers anyway, and if there is, there's no real impact on the game environment.
 
Here we are now, and I'm asking... what am I paying for?
 
Walitiki...
 
That's it.  Walatiki and driving around in circles waiting for maps to pop.  Now. I could do other stuff like PvE, but that's boring, and all the hard stuff like dungeons and raids. Whilst I haven't actually done any, I know the forumla, and it's boring as well; stack here, buff now, avoid instagib attack, hide here, debuff now, stack here, run this way, run that way. It's like Dance Dance Revolution but with more buttons; one mistake = wipe.  Start again.. sorry folks, my bad, the dog needed to be let out.
 
So... Walatiki it is.  Sometimes Halls pops, but very rarely these days. As for the new map... haven't even seen it, it never pops. I don't think it even exists. I've tried queuing, but after about 20 minutes, I get bored and just stick Walatiki back into the mix.  I have limited time, which I'm paying for, so I don't like hanging around too long for PvP maps.
 
So... Walatiki again. That's all I'm paying for.
 
Except it's not.  What I'm paying for is a BROKEN Walatiki, because every match there's always someone afk'ing (and they don't get kicked... they're supposed to get kicked, right?) or bots.  Even when the bots/afk'ers are on the other team it ruins the game because it becomes a walkover.
 
So what I'm paying for is Walatiki with bots and afk'ers.  It's broken, bust, and hardly a game at all. It's certainly not worth the subscription fee.
 
So why don't I leave and play another game?  Well, I've three months sub, but that's the chance I took.  No... the thing is I LIKE THE GAME.  I don't want to leave.  I log in with high hopes every time, but after a few hours of a broken Walatiki, I'm too jaded and demoralilsed to carry on. Maybe tomorrow will be better.
 
I want to play and love the game, but with all the broken features, the game just keeps kicking me back and sucking the fun out of it.
 
The game engine is great... it's just got nowhere to go.	
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Game is what you make it and how much you get out of it depends on you. After I got GA attuned I went right into PVP and have been working on my 1800 rating for a month now. (Went from 1150-1575 rating in that time no thanks to boosters or exploiters)
 
If all your interested in are battlegrounds then he'll yea you're going to be bored.
 
Might I suggest you set a goal or challenge yourself to other aspects of the game?
 
If you're not interested in the other 90% on the game then perhaps this isn't for you.
 
I happen to love both PVE and PVP and my only complaints are for those who cheat and exploit at the cost of my personal time and carbines unwilliness to ban or punish those people.
 
It's like running a business where you are trying to survive financially but thieves keep breaking in while the police drink coffee next door.
 
Eventually you stop showing up to work	
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			I appreciate the tl; dr at the beginning of the thread	
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What does that mean? Been seeing it for years and never bothered to figure it out... Is it
 
In before lock or something ?	
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 	What Am I Paying For?
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Pretty funny when you hear players go "I'm tired of X".
 
Maybe you're tired of one thing because that's all you do.
 
It sounds like you just solo queue for walatiki, and you're upset at Carbine they didn't put anything else in that interests you? Other PvP maps? Arena? Rated BGs? 20 and 40 man raids? Housing with 1000's of decor items to complete customize entire themes, world pvp?You rolled on a PvE server, queue for 1 thing only a night, don't try to make friends or join a PvP guild..and you call yourself a PvP'r?
 
And we're supposed to feel sorry for you too?Mate...think the problem is yourself...not the game.	
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You know, it sounds like you're really just interested in the PvP stuff. If that's all you want, have you taken a look at Guild wars 2? Or maybe something more along the lines of dota 2? 
 
WildStar has a pretty heavy PVE aspect. PvP is a side show, IMHO. At best you're looking at maybe a new map or game type twice a year. And you're always going to be afflicted with pve balance infringing on the gameplay. Not to mention Dev time being split between raids, warplots, new quest areas, dungeons, and all the other pve aspects.
 
So yeah, you kind of are just paying for waikitliki temple. There's a couple other maps at higher levels, and rated matchs, but those have their own problems. 
 
So, stick it out if you're enjoying the combat. Fixes for a lot of things are coming, but it might be awhile with all the other issues WildStar is dealing with.	
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Pretty funny when you hear players go "I'm tired of X".
 
Maybe you're tired of one thing because that's all you do.
 
It sounds like you just solo queue for walatiki, and you're upset at Carbine they didn't put anything else in that interests you? Other PvP maps? Arena? Rated BGs? 20 and 40 man raids? Housing with 1000's of decor items to complete customize entire themes, world pvp?
 
You rolled on a PvE server, queue for 1 thing only a night, don't try to make friends or join a PvP guild..and you call yourself a PvP'r?
 
And we're supposed to feel sorry for you too?
 
Mate...think the problem is yourself...not the game.
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			I bought The Sims 2, but I don't enjoy building, customizing or playing with any other stage than child stage. So what exactly did I pay for? Child stage. And only child stage. Except that the child stage is broken, because if a fire breaks out my children refuse to go to the school bus as I told them to. A game is what you make of it. If you enjoy 1% of the whole game, it doesn't mean that the game isn't worth its price.	
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So a good 80% of the content you dismissed as "boring" and you're wondering why you have limited options? I think I see your problem right .. there..
 
 
Honestly? I don't think you like MMORPGs.  I think you SHOULD be paying for something like Vindictus or firefall.. maybe TERA. One of them "action" type MMOs.
 
I will concede that the one thing you picked to like IS broken. The bots and afkers make it all kinds of suck. But paying a sub (even using CREDD) to play just PVP in this game is kinda wasting money. There's so much more!
 
I do resent that you think PVP servers aren't very different. PVP to 50 took me about a month with playing a few hours a night, people camped me, people blocked me from achieving quest progression and generally made it WAYY harder than it had to be. I rolled a char on a PVE server and made it to 30 on the second night. BIG DIFFERENCE. .. probably not so much anymore though, since the starting areas are pretty dead. But I will tell you that Daily quests are always a struggle. Friggen stalkers.	
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It used to be a derogatory term used for people who couldn't read more than a paragraph of text.  Now it's kind of necessary because more than a paragraph or two is treated a bit like some people treat attunement in MMORPGs.
 
I feel old sometimes.
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I don't think he asked you to feel sorry. Not sure what thats about. His points are valid. PvP is broken. We would give constructive posts but they are already a couple thousand. Sometimes it feels good to rant i guess. I had high hopes for this game. Not sure how you bork up and make PvP strictly about gear and who got to exploit first but Carbine figured it out, and fast kudos. Then they figured out how to make it worse and add RNG to the mix. They are fixing it though in the future cause they said so. =)
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It used to be a derogatory term used for people who couldn't read more than a paragraph of text.  Now it's kind of necessary because more than a paragraph or two is treated a bit like some people treat attunement in MMORPGs.
 
I feel old sometimes.
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PvP is not 'broken'. Broken implies unplayable. I play and enjoy PvP quite a bit. What PvP is is bogged down by bots and exploiters (but not tremendously more so than some other games). Carbine is actively working on fixing those issues, and even with those issues BG's are fun... just a lot of rage quitters who can't stand losses, either legitimate or otherwise.
 
On Topic; OP you are paying for a new MMO with a fresh IP.
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So what I'm paying for is Walatiki with bots and afk'ers.  It's broken, bust, and hardly a game at all. It's certainly not worth the subscription fee.
 
So why don't I leave and play another game?  Well, I've three months sub, but that's the chance I took.  No... the thing is I LIKE THE GAME.  I don't want to leave.  I log in with high hopes every time, but after a few hours of a broken Walatiki, I'm too jaded and demoralilsed to carry on. Maybe tomorrow will be better.
 
I want to play and love the game, but with all the broken features, the game just keeps kicking me back and sucking the fun out of it.
 
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Unless, of course, that number is so low that it's clear they simply are asleep at the wheel, or too afraid of losing cheaters to keep everyone else.
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Pretty funny when you hear players go "I'm tired of X".
 
Maybe you're tired of one thing because that's all you do.
 
It sounds like you just solo queue for walatiki, and you're upset at Carbine they didn't put anything else in that interests you? Other PvP maps? Arena? Rated BGs? 20 and 40 man raids? Housing with 1000's of decor items to complete customize entire themes, world pvp?
 
You rolled on a PvE server, queue for 1 thing only a night, don't try to make friends or join a PvP guild..and you call yourself a PvP'r?
 
And we're supposed to feel sorry for you too?
 
Mate...think the problem is yourself...not the game.
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I have ate PB&J for lunch all week..
 
Im tired of PB&J.. i want my money back for the rest of the PB&J i haven't ate yet.
 
 
The Bread is great.. but the PB&J sucks, i refuse to eat turkey on my bread.	
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Haha, I don't know why, but I though the OP was really poetic. Keep the chair and rope away from that guy. Boy oh boy.
 
1st: Stop thinking the game OWE you something. You pay for what it is, not for what it can be.
2nd: If you buy a game and decide to not play 95% of the content, how can you expect NOT to be bored... really dude?
3rd: You are paying for: a MMOEWRPAAPDSLDARA-PvP
(a Massive Multiplayer Online Experience With Role-Play Aspect And People Doing Stuff Like Dungeons And Raid And PvP)	
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			People keep saying PVP is broken, but lets be honest. What game is PVP not broken to some degree in? Every game I've ever played PVP has had problems. Carbine has already said they see the problems and are working on them. Itemization, Bots, cheaters, and exploiters have all been recognized by carbine so we know they know what to work on. Give it time and keep going, or come back in a month.	
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			If you are only into an MMO for queueing for a battleground, you might just want to go play a Moba like Seraph suggested. She/He recommended DOTA2, I recommend smite, has more of a WildStar feel to it.	
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Sorry chief, you're wrong on this one.
 
I'm going to assume you don't do BGs that often, and if you do and have a different experience than this, then I want to know all your secrets. Anyhow.
 
I don't do rated pvp. I'm not that skilled. Oh sure, I have blues and could venture in to it if I felt like getting pimp slapped by 1800+ gear people even more than I already do in practice battlegrounds, but I don't.
 
So I do practice ones for (what used to be) fun.
 
Get some prestige, buy some outfitter patterns, a mount, some stuff! Yep.
 
It's not fun anymore. It's not because I've changed, or the system has changed, or something crazy has changed. It's because EVERYONE QUEUES FOR WALATIKI. I queue for random every time, now. It's randomly Walatiki every time. WAIT! Not every time. I think I did one round of Halls in the last 3 days. Maybe two. RANDOM, WHOA.
 
Don't get me wrong. I like Walatiki. It can be fun. Eating your favorite food is fun, too. Except when it's the only thing you can eat. Even if you don't want to eat it. You have to eat it. You don't have a choice. That's Walatiki Temple, now.
 
I spent 80-something minutes in a queue trying to do Daggerstone Pass. The NEW battleground. It's fun. I like it. Very few people seem to, and I'm betting it's because it's not the "most efficient" one or some such nonsense.
 
So yes, if what you really like to do is battlegrounds, and there are those people, then those people are pretty much only paying for Walatiki.
 
This is not just the OP. This is a problem.
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/107642-in-que-for-daggerstone-53minutes-and-counting/
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/106981-random-bgs-need-to-be-more-random/
 
Here's more examples of people with the same problem.
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I'm not sure they're "afraid" of losing cheaters. It might just be that there's a difference between banning folks who use third party software to teleport to resource nodes, which is clearly out of bounds, and banning folks who do stuff like win trade in PvP. Banning players for simply using the game software as it stands to achieve their game goals through social means and NOT via hacking the software is a really questionable practice that stands to lose Carbine not only the subs of the cheaters but the subs of folks who think that it's the devs' job to design a system that doesn't reward this type of play rather than arbitrarily declaring that players who use strategies the devs failed to think of in order to achieve their game goals should be kicked out of the game.
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			Oh yeah, that's a nice solution: stop paying...	
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What does that mean? Been seeing it for years and never bothered to figure it out... Is it
 
In before lock or something ?
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