148258-protostar-holiday-white-dye-is-actually-light-blue

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The dye is on the pants and you can see the color comparison with the Slippers.
 
http://imgur.com/VMJjtW4	
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The dye is on the pants and you can see the color comparison with the Slippers.
 
http://imgur.com/VMJjtW4
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I thought the whole reason this dye was nearly $10 is because of the popularity of people wanting to use white in their costumes and the rarity of dye being available to do that.
 
That... that's not going to come even close to replacing Supernova White...  Anyone who was expecting it to is going to feel ripped off, I imagine.
 
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 Anyone who was expecting it to is going to feel ripped off, I imagine.
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I saw the screenshots posted yesterday before I bought it.
 
I like it. It's not "really" white though. A better name would have been "Icicle Blue" or "Frostbite White" or something.
 
Sorry for those who feel robbed, though.	
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Ahh... thank you. I came to the forums to make sure that it's actually white before I buy it... but I'm thinking I'll save my money.
 
This is a real pity. I was so excited to finally get a nice white for all of my characters, similar to the halloween black :(	
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It's a lot more white on some pieces of gear than others, though yeah, it's not "true" white. It's just another shade of white (white comes in shades, guys).
 
I am glad I only used omnibits on it, however.	
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Arg. I was also excited about a possible sparkly white dye... but that is very not white. 
There really should be a preview of the dye available.... slap it on some dummy outfit for the preview, I don't care... but seeing it would be helpful :(	
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It seems to take different shades depending on the gear... sometimes darker, sometimes lighter. It's a cold white... or light blue. It would be really helpful to get a dye preview system in the cash shop.
 
I would really like to see cash shop dyes with particle effects, or something to make it stand out from other dyes. 	
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Ever hear the term the straw that broke the camel’s back? I think this might be it for me. 
 
I have been an extremely faithful Wildstar supporter and subscriber and have played the game since original closed beta. Not only have I played the game since closed beta, I have had an active sub since day one and have invested a lot of money in this game via things liked CREDD, buying additional boxed sets and purchasing NCoins when Carbine asked us for help in testing back in PTR. Yes, I am one of those that had the Osun house and was well over the 300k loyalty cap when ftp hit.
 
I pvp and pvp has always been on the back burner for Carbine and much of the feedback we provided during cbt seemed to go unheard and even with the re-release of ftp, our cries and concerns with pvp PTR once again were largely ignored. Carbine could not even provide a real pvp lead tossing this off to the raid lead and others who could look at it part time when pvp needed full time dedicated support.  Due to the pvp situation and numbers once again dwindling, I have been spending less time in Wildstar over the last few weeks but got excited thinking the winter festivities might spark my interest back into playing this game. 
 
I logged in and was delighted with the thought and effort put into the holiday decorations around Thayd- A+.
 
My next step was to visit the Ncoin store to see all the new goodies. One of the first things I look for in the NCoin store are the specials- primarily cosmetics like dyes and outfits.  Halloween had a wonderful Shade’s Eve dye package that was well priced where you were able to get several dyes including a nice black that were all account bound and I jumped on the chance and did not regret it. I only had the pricey Black Hole dye on one of my characters and this allowed me to get a nice solid black dye on all my characters for a fair price.
 
As I only have Supernova White on one character, I was extremely pleased to see holiday ‘White’ as one of the special limited time holiday offers. Yes!- an account bound white dye for all my characters!  The Carbine description of the dye is 'snowy white' and growing up in the midwest, I know how white snow is. For the record, Merriam Webster defines the term 'snow white' as "white as snow- completely white' so I was thrilled with having a completely snowy white account bound dye! 
 
I was a little setback by the whopping 790 NCoin price as the holiday black dye came in a bundle for less. Nonetheless, I convinced myself that the Supernova White dye was sometimes a bit pricier than the Black Hole dye and this snowy holiday white was 'completely white' and likely a step up from Supernova (I expected blinding white) so it did make some sense that this one holiday dye special might cost more than the Halloween black bundle and decided to splurge and spend the remainder of my precious NCoins for this account bound snowy ‘white’ dye. I made the purchase and jumped over to the holo-wardrobe excited to begin dyeing  knowing I would likely use this white on all my characters that didn’t have the Supernova White. I have a red and white striped holiday candy cane like outfit on my character that has the Supernova White and planned to duplicate this outfit on my other characters for the remainder of the holiday season with the purchase of this very expensive 'white' dye.
 
I was shocked to discover that the dye advertised and sold as ‘white’ for the whopping 790 NCoins was blue- a horrible baby blue which I could not use for the holiday outfit and would never use on any character for any outfit even if the dye was given to me and was free to use when dyeing outfits. Not only do I not use pastel colors, I don’t use blue on any of my characters. I viewed the dye on various pieces of gear I use for costuming and it wasn’t white on anything. Perhaps if I were colorblind this might work for my holiday outfit: http://puu.sh/m1fhQ/80008ba1d8.jpg
 
I immediately contacted support indicating that the account bound dye being advertised as ‘white’ was not white and I was misled into making the purchase and requested they remove the ugly baby blue dye from my account and refund the NCoins. I had not used this dye on any outfit after viewing it in the holo-wardrobe and contacted support immediately asking for a refund stating I felt scammed. 
 
I received a generic scripted reply that they could not refund the dye because it had been consumed. Wtf- of course it was consumed, I thought it was an account bound WHITE dye and planned to use it. Consuming was the way that I discovered that the dye was not the color that was advertised and the reason I was contacting support.  
 
Surely there had to be a mistake here so I replied that I had not actually used this on any outfit and would never have spent 790 NCoins unless I thought the dye was an account-bound ‘white’ as advertised. I went over my loyalty and the amount of support I have been providing Carbine and I once again received a generic scripted reply that the dye was "working as intended" and a link to the forum suggesting I post as the Devs are listening (which I have heard since Feb 2014).  
 
Working as intended???? Wtf  Carbine -you purposely scammed us with false advertising by listing a color other than what the dye was in the hope that some of us would buy something we didn't want or would ever use and then run out and buy more NCoins?
 
I have had a difficult time logging back into Wildstar since this happened and frankly, I think this may truly be the last straw for me.  
 
While I can see refund policies being put into place for items, this should not include when Carbine inaccurately mislabels the item and the consumer is getting a different product than what was advertised. I absolutely would not have made this expensive purchase for any shade of blue (pastel or otherwise) and the cheap Nova Grey I have on my characters is a lot more ‘white’ than this dye. l  didn’t even consider that this dye would be anything other than white when Carbine listed it as white and felt confident I would be getting a a very ‘white’ dye when I spent the 780 Ncoins for the Holiday ‘White’ described as snowy white in the description. Again Merriam Webster's description of snow white is completely white. 
 
While Carbine might have deceptively scammed another 790 Ncoins from me, I can assure them, it is the last cent they will get from this loyal supporter. Not a smart business move on their part considering the dwindling numbers and the fact that I likely would have continued to purchase cosmetic items even if not playing as much so while they achieved getting a few more dollars from me with this false advertising, they have now completely exhausted this source of revenue.   
  
While some people reading this might miss the point and think that this is not a big issue as it is only dye, it is a big issue for some of us. Given the lack of positive pvp gameplay, it now feels as if Carbine has become so greedy and desperate with the dwindling numbers that they are now resorting to deceptive practices in false advertising to get players to purchase more NCoins. This sickens me and I am having a difficult time even logging back into the game. I guess the straw is different for everyone and while the broken pvp situation was enough for some, it took that and being scammed for me with zero customer support suggesting the excessively pricey blue dye labeled as snowy white is working as intended. 
 
While I think that Wildstar has the best mechanics and combat of any game ever and I loved so much about this game from the housing to the graphics to the wonderful humor, the game leaves little for me to log in for each day and being scammed for the few NCoins I had left was like a ‘slap in the face – here is the door ‘goodbye from Carbine.
 
Sad Carbine when you are now losing your most faithful of followers over crap like this but as was suggested to me by Earl on your support team, I have posted.  The real question is…. are there any Devs left that even give a crap about this game and their loyal supporters that are still listening?  
 	
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Pretty much my same experience, Gaber. I have supernova white on one char, so an account-wide white would've been fantastic. The price seemed steep but I was willing to trust them thanks to the shade's eve package that was excellent. But oh, how I was betrayed. Similarly I didn't use it on any outfits, and support told me it was "working as intended" too, despite the item being advertised was not the item being sold. An outright lie. I'll probably still be playing for RP reasons, but I don't know if I'll ever buy anything off the store again.
 
Merry Christmas indeed.	
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			They really should have made it a gradient white/blue or white/gray.  Anyone that has ever looked out at a snowscape would know what I mean :P	
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			I mean, and let's leave the wording of the dye's description aside, did you guys really expect it to be pure white?  With the shades eve black it has a tinge of purple on it, but due to how some of the items color it can give the appearance of a pure black even if it is not.  Until they tell us differently Supernova will always be the "whitest"  white there is.  While I feel the frustrations put forth, think about the purchases a little.  This is eerily similar to the dreg white debacle :P .	
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I mean, and let's leave the wording of the dye's description aside, did you guys really expect it to be pure white?  With the shades eve black it has a tinge of purple on it, but due to how some of the items color it can give the appearance of a pure black even if it is not.  Until they tell us differently Supernova will always be the "whitest"  white there is.  While I feel the frustrations put forth, think about the purchases a little.  This is eerily similar to the dreg white debacle :P .
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I mean, and let's leave the wording of the dye's description aside, did you guys really expect it to be pure white?  With the shades eve black it has a tinge of purple on it, but due to how some of the items color it can give the appearance of a pure black even if it is not.  Until they tell us differently Supernova will always be the "whitest"  white there is.  While I feel the frustrations put forth, think about the purchases a little.  This is eerily similar to the dreg white debacle :P .
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Why should a customer need to "think" about a colour when making a purchase? Any decent and respectable store should offer a proper PREVIEW of the colour.
 
The only indicator shoppers have that Holiday White probably isn't a very pure white is that the flask in the store is a rather murky blue. But since different gear responds to dyes in different ways it's hard to be sure what you're getting. There needs to be a proper preview feature. It is in Carbine's interest to do this because as well as not being able to properly judge plain dyes, the more exotic dyes (gradients, particle effects etc) can't be previewed either.
 
Half-baked, sloppy store design can only lead to lost sales and potentially unhappy customers.
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			I'm sorry, but this isn't one of the times where we buyers should have known better.  On the Flame Dye bottle, you can see all the colors it's going to be(yes, even the hint of purple in it), and you know it's a gradient.  Winterfest White's bottle, while not showing a perfectly pure white like Supernova White, it has a gradient white/grey/bluish look to it as it bubbles along like the other dyes that are gradients.  Getting this info out there, and calling Carbine to task on it, it should be encouraged.	
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I feel like people posting images of the holiday white on those pants is a little misleading. Colors in this game tend to dye differently on different materials, or on materials with more built-in shadow. Pants tend to have a lot of "shadow" effect and frequently darken a color more than normal.
 
Here's Protostar Holiday White, on one of my character's outfits:
 
And here's Supernova White:
 
And just for white-completion's sake, here's Dreg White:
 
Notice how the pants - even on Supernova White - are all darker. But I dunno, Holiday White is pretty convincingly white on all the other pieces of that outfit. (And there's also going to be a minor color effect from my character's hair being blue - colors next to each other tend to sort of "lend" each other their hues a bit, making them look different than they might on their own.) Supernova White looks grey on those pants, so why aren't we complaining about that?
 
I think I'd definitely describe the holiday white as an "ice white" or a "cold white". There are definitely blue tones to it, but... not all whites are created equal. Go check out the bazillions of whites in a paint store, or an art store.
			
				
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I feel like people posting images of the holiday white on those pants is a little misleading. Colors in this game tend to dye differently on different materials, or on materials with more built-in shadow. Pants tend to have a lot of "shadow" effect and frequently darken a color more than normal.
 
Here's Protostar Holiday White, on one of my character's outfits:
 
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Notice how the pants - even on Supernova White - are all darker. But I dunno, Holiday White is pretty convincingly white on all the other pieces of that outfit. (And there's also going to be a minor color effect from my character's hair being blue - colors next to each other tend to sort of "lend" each other their hues a bit, making them look different than they might on their own.) Supernova White looks grey on those pants, so why aren't we complaining about that?
 
I think I'd definitely describe the holiday white as an "ice white" or a "cold white". There are definitely blue tones to it, but... not all whites are created equal. Go check out the bazillions of whites in a paint store, or an art store.
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My character's skintone is actually grey-white. What you're seeing as pale blue is the effect of two colors side-by-side.
 
 
Note how it doesn't look blue against these colors.
 
This is part of basic color theory. Colors influence each other.	
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I know my post was long but jeez, does anyone read posts on this forum before replying to a thread? (rhetorical) 
 
As stated in my post, I tried the holiday 'white' on every costume piece I use and ALL were blue. This included light, medium, and heavy armor pieces. So regardless of whether the blue dye might look a little lighter and reflective on my metallic boots than my pants does not change the fact that I was misled into purchasing a baby blue dye labeled as white. Again, not one armor piece turned white with this dye- all were varying shades of blue.
 
As also stated, the specific description Carbine listed for the holiday white dye is 'snowy white'. I looked AT the description to verify the color was truly white before making the purchase as I trusted the description they put forth. Snow is very white and anyone that lives in an area that has snow understands how white snow is. Even if I lived in a basement and was limited to only seeing pixelated snowscapes, I would still expect snow white to be white. 
 
As also stated, Merriam Webster's definition of snow white is -"white as snow- completely white" : http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/snow-white not blue or shinier lighter blue on some armor. 
 
So yes, after seeing the title of the dye, reading Carbine's description of the dye as 'snowy white' and seeing the huge price tag, yes- I absolutely did believe it would be pure white account bound dye as this is how it was advertised. 	
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			Snow is white, but it is not only white.	
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This is part of basic color theory. Colors influence each other.
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Again I want to point out that there are different shades of white. Supernova White is obviously the whitest of the whites. I'm certainly not arguing that! It's a neutral white with neutral grey shadows. But, well, just look at all of these Sherwin-Williams whites (the top four-ish rows).
 
And take a look at photographs of snow. You'll notice there is a great deal of depth to its color, unless it's a flat surface under harsh, direct sunlight. Snow in shadow often has rich blue or purple shades to it.
			
				
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You're definitely right in that colors lend to each other and mess up how they're viewed to the eye, but even when eyedropped in an art program, the Holiday White is primarily blue, as opposed to the Supernova White. Also sorry this came out tiny but - 
That's where the problem lies right? It doesn't seem like a 'white with blue tones' but a very very light blue, as it composed primarily of blue. Now whether or not that's just the particular effect on the hat (which is what I eyedropped for both) is different...things do dye different but from what I've seen, most things dyed w/ this dye look primarily blue.
 
EDIT: Also IDK, but coming from somewhere covered in snow right now, snow is definitely just white - it's the shadows and light and such that make it look other colors, such as that bluish tone.
TBH A better name for this dye woulda been like "icy blue" or something - that's much more fitting IMO.
			
				
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Snow is white, but it is not only white.
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Snow is white, but it is not only white.
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Again I want to point out that there are different shades of white. Supernova White is obviously the whitest of the whites. I'm certainly not arguing that! It's a neutral white with neutral grey shadows. But, well, just look at all of these Sherwin-Williams whites (the top four-ish rows).
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Name-calling isn't necessary. Plus if you actually read through my post, you'd see I was indicating the top four rows of the Sherwin-Williams panels are whites.
 
I am pretty satisfied with the dye. I figured it wasn't going to be pure white - we already have Supernova White for that - and was not surprised to see blue tints to it. I think it's rather pretty and gives a very cold, icy feeling to clothes. I like it.
 
I lived in Denver for several years, by the way. So yeah, I've seen plenty of snow.	
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Actually, theres really not shades or tints of white. Tints are colors mixed with white and shades are mixed with black. Tints and shades directly refer to the "brightness" aka the white or black levels of a color aka hue. This is entry level color theory but ultimately it is moot as the colors in the game have names such as infradread. The Mirriam-Webster dictionary says thats not a word, and also that stylized cartoonish aesthetics in a game aren't made to be nit-picked. The snow-white dye is slightly blue, as that is how snow is often represented, as a very light TINT of blue :D
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tints_and_shades
 	
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Everyone loves supernova. If they'd have made a pure white dye with the tinge of blue for shadowing and on certain pieces, or made it a gradient dye like northern lights or topographic, it would be worth the price.
 
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It's still a bit misrepresentative to people who expected "snow white", I can see why people would be annoyed with something advertised as "snow white" and instead getting a very pastel blue. If you describe something as white, at least make it white with that tonal colour accounting for shadows etc. This way it would be completely different from supernova and also extremely collectable.
 
Everyone loves supernova. If they'd have made a pure white dye with the tinge of blue for shadowing and on certain pieces, or made it a gradient dye like northern lights or topographic, it would be worth the price.
 
Right now, I wont be getting the holiday dye. It's not a great colour and is way too much money for what it is. The halloween pack was great (the black was not as dark and pure black as blackhole, i think it had a reddish tint to it)	
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I'd just like my money back...
 
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I passed on the dye also as once I seen the color it looks to me like its an ice blue color with a hint of white and if it had been in the reverse I could have put up with it but its not what I would class as snow white or white for that matter. 
 
Alot of this could probably be avoided if they added a proper preview function or at least picked out a light, medium and heavy armor piece and shown the dye applied to them. I understand the second method wouldn't be 100% full proof but at least you would get a rough idea of what it looked like when applied rather than what you have now.  	
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			TBQH, the average W* player that's going to buy this dye doesn't care about color theory and semantics, they are going to care that they see a dye calling itself "White", they will see the color bubbling along in the bottle and think that's what they're getting, but instead they get a slightly lighter version of Halon Gray.
			
				
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I've been coloring costumes with that dye all day and yeah, it's white but not WHITE-WHITE, so I understand where some people might have some buyer's remorse. It is the color of the snow in Whitevale. I know, 'cuz I went out and checked.  :lol: And yeah, it looks WAY whiter on some materials and really baby-blue on others. It even looks different on different channels of the same pieces. Such is dyeing in WildStar. 
 
I'm totally happy with it, though, as I said. I think both the preview and the description could have been better. Also, I expected it to be a gradient color and was slightly disappointed it is not. 
 
As for refunds, well ... I don't have much to say about that except you shouldn't let your world get destroyed by $9 and have all your good times come crashing down over such a little thing. Well, I wouldn't - but I suppose we all have our thresholds.
			
				
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TBQH, the average W* player that's going to buy this dye doesn't care about color theory and semantics, they are going to care that they see a dye calling itself "White", they will see the color bubbling along in the bottle and think that's what they're getting, but instead they get a slightly lighter version of Halon Gray.
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			That is true, it is a bit darker in the bottle, but it also has flashes of white and silver in it, and that would have just been awesome if it was gradient with those colors :D  	
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^Agreed.
 
Also Naunet, I was taking your side, just clarifying.
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			All I can say about this is, I got a free dye with omnibits. 	
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My character's skintone is actually grey-white. What you're seeing as pale blue is the effect of two colors side-by-side.
 
 
Note how it doesn't look blue against these colors.
 
This is part of basic color theory. Colors influence each other.
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			And in some lighting her skin looks green or purple or red. -_-; Hostility is completely unnecessary, as I had none in my post.	
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			woaaaahhh, colours are srs bsns apparently o.o	
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Actually, theres really not shades or tints of white. Tints are colors mixed with white and shades are mixed with black. Tints and shades directly refer to the "brightness" aka the white or black levels of a color aka hue. This is entry level color theory but ultimately it is moot as the colors in the game have names such as infradread. The Mirriam-Webster dictionary says thats not a word, and also that stylized cartoonish aesthetics in a game aren't made to be nit-picked. The snow-white dye is slightly blue, as that is how snow is often represented, as a very light TINT of blue :D
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tints_and_shades
 
 
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As you can see only ONE is white- #2- Supernova white. Let’s say you wanted to purchase an account bound WHITE dye to duplicate the candy cane like white and red costume shown in #2 on several other characters- which one would you buy off this page other than #2? My answer- ZERO.
 
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Yep. Absolutely ZERO chance of making a good-looking red and white candy cane outfit. Yep. ZERO.
 
Oh.
 
Wait.
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And again Tex, which dye here other than #2 would you pay $9 for if you needed a 'white' dye that looks white without running to a specific spot in Thayd where the holiday lighting changes the color to a whiter appearance? 
 	
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I paid $9 for the Holiday Dye. I didn't use any "trick lighting" I just switched to my costume where I was standing and took a screenshot. Stuff your veiled aspersions where the sun don't shine, hoss. You have officially reached the point where I can safely discount anything you have to say. So, good job on that.
 
I've already given my sincere condolences to those who feel cheated. You lovely wonderful happy people are the one's going on the attack against people who've been only supportive of your opinion.
 
SO, you know what? I'm glad you're  mad. I hope you stay mad.
 
How's *that" for cheer-leading?	
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I paid $9 for the Holiday Dye. I didn't use any "trick lighting" I just switched to my costume where I was standing and took a screenshot. Stuff your veiled aspersions where the sun don't shine, hoss. You have officially reached the point where I can safely discount anything you have to say. So, good job on that.
 
I've already given my sincere condolences to those who feel cheated. You lovely wonderful happy people are the one's going on the attack against people who've been only supportive of your opinion.
 
SO, you know what? I'm glad you're  mad. I hope you stay mad.
 
How's *that" for cheer-leading?
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Dude. I am a professional marketing artist and have been for over 20 years. My entire LIFE is color. Spare me. I've been using Photoshop since before you were likely out of grade school and do so almost every single day. I can (and have) write (written) pages and pages of information on color corrections and RBG calibrations. I already freaking said TWICE that the color is not a true white. I FREAKING AGREED WITH YOU GUYS.
 
But that's not good enough. Oh no. You have to keep pretending like screenshot and calibrating monitors is the way to "prove" you're right when everyone in this thread has already said "It's not a true white like Supernova White."
 
Get over yourself. You made your point, every one agreed, but you have to keep being a wise-acre about it.
 
The guy said there was ZERO (ZERO) (get that, ZERO, meaning NONE, ZILTCH, NO WAY JOSE) chance of making a good-looking candy cane outfit. I took a screenshot last night (when I was at home) and posted it this morning (from the office, where I am working ... IN PHOTOSHOP CREATIVE SUITE *gasp*) to show him that ZERO was a strong term. That's it, man. Not picking a fight. Not trying to "prove" how smart I am by being rude to other people.
 	
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I would overall generally like a preview of all available dyes in game. Lots of dyes you wonder how they really looks.
Other than that, if you look inside the snowglobe on shoulder costume, the snow there looks a bit blue to me, perhaps similar to the colour they are selling?
I don't know... but then I never understood why make different shades of black and different shades of white when it seems like the most really wanted colours for people are really black and really white. Most games are like that, and the really white and really black are always very expensive. 
Personally I've never been in the chase of really white or really black, I want pink and perhaps purple and as many shades as possible, but it would be nice to be able to preview colours but I'm willing to play around. Not that perhaps some new kind of pink might be a huge deal in the store... not the same way black and white is :P	
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			 No dye is worth 10$s unless it blows off particle effects or something along those lines.. Its good to know now dyes in cash shop are misleading ill stick with my super novas... Thank you carbine for saving me money this year. I was beginning to worry that I might go crazy on spending in the cash shop throughout the holidays.	
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 No dye is worth 10$s
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Here are some of the dyes in my inventory- http://puu.sh/m2f6D/eff7af3922.jpg
 
As you can see only ONE is white- #2- Supernova white. Let’s say you wanted to purchase an account bound WHITE dye to duplicate the candy cane like white and red costume shown in #2 on several other characters- which one would you buy off this page other than #2? My answer- ZERO.
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He's responding to this post, Gaber, which you definitely made well before you posted those screenshots a second time (and before he posted his reply).
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Hey Everyone,
 
Just a reminder to keep it civil and avoid insulting each other.
 
Cheers,
 
Team WildStar.	
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Scarran, on 20 Dec 2015 - 09:22 AM, said: I don't think being disrespectful to others is the ideal way to get your point across because at this minute any sympathy I had with your plight has now went straight out the window. 
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Just for funsies and to make this thread a little more lighthearted.... anyone want to take a guess (answer 1-6) at the 'holiday white snowy white dye'?
 
  	
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Out of curiosity, what dye is number 5 in that picture of yours?
I'm looking for a off-white dye and that one might be what I'm looking for (will have to test how the specific costume pieces I have in mind dye though...)	
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Out of curiosity, what dye is number 5 in that picture of yours?
I'm looking for a off-white dye and that one might be what I'm looking for (will have to test how the specific costume pieces I have in mind dye though...)
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Hey Everyone,
 
Just a reminder to keep it civil and avoid insulting each other.
 
Cheers,
 
Team WildStar.
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And in some lighting her skin looks green or purple or red. -_-; Hostility is completely unnecessary, as I had none in my post.
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Well I'm satisfied. It's white enough for me. ^^ (Now if only those silver parts would dye...)
			
				
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I don't know if this has been said before, but just something for everyone to keep in mind in the future; the dye bottles you see in the cash shop when viewing the items actually quite accurately display the colour of the dye. There's also a bubble moving through the bottle that tends to have whatever "secondary" colour the dye might have in case it's a gradient or multi-colour. The bottle for this dye is quite clearly not pure white. Additionally, if you look at snow in the game, it's not pure white either - it has a blue hue to it. I assume that's what they based this shade of "white" off of.
 
That said, I do think the name is a bit misleading, perhaps it should have been simply called "Snow" or something. I also think we should have a proper dye preview function in the store to see how it looks like on whatever you're wearing.	
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Apologies if I seemed hostile, but you came across very condescending in your post and it's not something I appreciate. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
That said, II'm aware that lighting can change how colors look. But your character's skin is blue. The winterfest white dye is noticeably blue. Is it a very pale blue? Yeah, sure. But the point is, it's not nearly "white" enough for a good amount of people to feel like they were misled.
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Soooo, loved that mic drop Tex, taking that for my library....Anyway since I thought this the appropiate place What color is this dress?   (Kappa)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Hahaha I've been thinking about that dress while in this thread. XD
 
I will never believe that dress is not white and gold.	
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Hahaha I've been thinking about that dress while in this thread. XD
 
I will never believe that dress is not white and gold.
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Well I'm satisfied. It's white enough for me. ^^ (Now if only those silver parts would dye...)
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			pure snow does have a very light blue tinge to it so maybe thats what they were going for ... but that is NOT white by any means ... sorry to say 	
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Glad the blue dye works for you Naunet but using my loyalty formal top, I can say that it is not white enough for me as it isn't white at all, it is blue. Here is a site you might have fun playing around on http://web.mit.edu/persci/people/adelson/checkershadow_illusion.html
 
Here is my formal vest (same as you are wearing in your photo), pants, and gloves which I have always used white on showing you the outfit with the current white and the 'Holiday snowy white' dye for comparison. Now I don't have the shadowing and lighter background you used for your pic or your blue skin but it is the very same top you are wearing.  Some of us have been tossing out more appropriate names for this blue dye and it seems Carbine is determined to continue using the very misleading word 'white' for this blue dye so I think I have found the perfect name for Carbine to use which I am revealing in my screenshot: 
 
 
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I don't have the Winterfest dye, but from what I'm seeing it's fairly clear that the Winterfest White dye looks fairly white if you combine it with blue hues. If you don't, its own blue hue stands out much more to the point that it sits uncomfortably between the line of 'actually a light color and not white.' Which I guess is technically white enough...
 
You know how this problem could be solved? If Carbine implemented a simple 'preview dye on current costume' option before you buy it. No need to cross your fingers hoping it's a hue you will like. No need for all the unhappy customers who bought it thinking it was actually a color and then find it's another. 
But I guess that would TAKE SO MUCH DATASPACE or something.	
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I think I see a cream color in that supernova white.  Might want to check your eyes Gaber :lol:.   (And yes I have Sn white)
 
Jokes aside, what color do you think that dress is? :P
 
I think we need a titanium white already.  Or maybe a Van *cupcake* Brown.....  (can't believe D y k e is censored, oh well)
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This thread reminds me of a discussion we had when I taught color theory on how one person can say the name of a colour and it isn't the exact colour other people imagine. You look through a crayola box of markers and you'll see some of the most ridiculous colour names ever lol
 
Anyway I'm not going to go crazy deep into anything more than that. I'll simply say I can see why people who purchased it would like their money back and feel that the white isn't what they thought it'd be. I didn't buy it myself though because I looked at the preview liquid thing and felt it probably wouldn't be nearly as white as I'd hope for/wanted. I guess though for those who relied more on the wording of it and weren't sure of the liquid(honestly having a direct dye preview on armor you're wearing would be far better) "snowy white" is a bit tricky in wording.
 
I say tricky because for me from my standpoint, the colour is actually what I would most likely use or close to what I'd use to paint snow(specifically shadows of snow), but I wouldn't call it "snowy white".
			
				
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I'll just leave this here, mostly because it is some beautiful art in there: http://scied.ucar.edu/longcontent/snow-white-maybe-or-maybe-not  ;)
 
Anyway... I think nobody would look twice if the "Protostar Holiday White" was a part of a three-for-the-price-of-one pack, like Halloween dyes were, and not a one-for-the-price-of-three as it is now. At least I don't remember anybody complaining that "Shade's Eve Black is not black". Why? Because even as a dark-reddish-gray it was a terrific deal.  :P	
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Anyway... I think nobody would look twice if the "Protostar Holiday White" was a part of a three-for-the-price-of-one pack, like Halloween dyes were, and not a one-for-the-price-of-three as it is now. At least I don't remember anybody complaining that "Shade's Eve Black is not black". Why? Because even as a dark-reddish-gray it was a terrific deal.  :P
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You look through a crayola box of markers and you'll see some of the most ridiculous colour names ever lol
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Holiday White is pretty convincingly white on all the other pieces of that outfit.
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That is a lesson trying to do outfits in Guild Wars 2 taught me. Nowhere else are you going to find things like "Enameled Generation" and know it's a color of dye (a brown hue).
But you know what they have, Carbine? They have a preview so it doesn't matter what ridiculous names they give their dyes, you can just preview "Amenity" and see it's a blue color.
It also helps that all materials largely dye in a pretty consistent way in GW2.
 
Give us a preview of cash shop dyes, just like we have a preview for costumes. A preview on the current costume we're using while browsing the shop I might add because dyes in WildStar are weird in how they look on different pieces.
 
And yes I'm aware of the dye preview addons out there but they usually don't include new dyes right away and by the time they are added they might no longer be on offer in the shop.
 
Once we do have an official, working, preview you can take a red color, describe it as "the color of spring grass" and throw it on the shop for all I care. I'll be able to see what I'm going to get and make my decision based on that.
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I'll just leave this here, mostly because it is some beautiful art in there: http://scied.ucar.edu/longcontent/snow-white-maybe-or-maybe-not  ;)
 
Anyway... I think nobody would look twice if the "Protostar Holiday White" was a part of a three-for-the-price-of-one pack, like Halloween dyes were, and not a one-for-the-price-of-three as it is now. At least I don't remember anybody complaining that "Shade's Eve Black is not black". Why? Because even as a dark-reddish-gray it was a terrific deal.  :P
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SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
 
Introducing the new range of Protostar White Dyes
 
Denim Washed Smalls
Want to recreate that look when you've left your undergarments in the wash with your new denim jeans? Well now you can.
 
Pearly Gates
Ok, so it looks more like rusty old iron gates than pearls, but hey.
 
Dull As Dishwater
For the hard working homekeepers out there.
 
The Emporer's New White
It's as white as virtue itself.... what do you mean you can't see it?
 
Fifty Shades Of White
Well, one actually ... and it isn't actually white.	
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FashionStar
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I'll just leave this here, mostly because it is some beautiful art in there: http://scied.ucar.edu/longcontent/snow-white-maybe-or-maybe-not  ;)
 
 
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As promised, here are the name of the dyes I posted the other day. This was a little late as I was busy playing Black Desert cbt today. Why am I mentioning this… because they have a really great dye system and fantastic colors!  Ironically, they do have snow pink, snow mint, snow purple... colors that are very light and reflective but you know what you are getting with the title as their blues are titled with things like 'snow blue'  - NOT snowy white. So far it appears they reserve the white title for white dyes.   ^_^ 
 
 
 
 
 
 As you can see above, the holiday snowy white dye is as blue as some of the blue dyes. Quite the little scam Carbine has going when they can trick people like me into spending 790 NCoins for an account-bound white dye that isn’t white when I had better alternatives in my current dye inventory and I don’t use blue in any of my costumes. If I wanted something that sort of resembled white for all my other characters, I would have purchased better and cheaper options than the pricey holiday blue - something like halon gray (4 gold), nova grey (3 gold),  galactium (94 silver)…..
 
Btw- I don’t even think the holiday snowy white is even a really nice blue –it appears to be just a slightly lighter version of Torine blue. I find this similar to the lack of effort Carbine put into the Protostar Holiday Red which is almost identical to the Marauder Red. It is so close that I had to go back and duplicate photos as I thought I screen printed the same one twice. Well, at least they had the color of this dye (red) labeled correctly. I guess quantity over quality might be carbine's new motto as they fling this crap out the door into the cash shop as fast as they can for more cash.....
 
 	
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Here's the thing, dyes look different on different armor as the dyes seem to react differently on some things.  With the holiday red it is similar but lacks the purple pearl effect, plus at a glance it is slightly more red.  If you want to complain about the similarity of dyes, go play GW2 and get back to me :rolleyes: .
 
Dyes seem to propogate differently as well (depending on the gear), leading to a situation where they can look similar.  Such as GW2 midnight fire, it is basically a pure black on some pieces and a rusty red/brown on other pieces, same thing happens in Wildstar.  I know you probably already know this, but come on your point was made, let it go.	
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I imagine this is outside of the forum moderator's responsibilities, but is there even a slight chance of the issue of the $10 (not quite) white dye being looked at, or is this simply one of those lessons about puffery in selling?
 
I get that there are people that don't see this as that big a deal, and it's worth pointing out that even Gaber (accurately, i would say) described this as "the straw that broke the camel’s back? I think this might be it for me."
 
The store describes Protostar Holiday White Dye as "A snowy white dye". The lack of any ability to preview the dye combined with the fact that the dye... well, I'm going to join others and say it's a good deal closer to what I would call a shade of blue then a variant of white, that combination seems to reasonably call for a bit of flexibility in terms of refunds. 
 
In the alternate it would seem that dyes fall into the category of 'things never to buy with money' off the store. And that certainly doesn't seem like a good thing for a company trying to make money off such things.
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Bacon_21, on 21 Dec 2015 - 4:47 PM, said:Here's the thing, dyes look different on different armor as the dyes seem to react differently on some things. 
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As promised, here are the name of the dyes I posted the other day. This was a little late as I was busy playing Black Desert cbt today. Why am I mentioning this… because they have a really great dye system and fantastic colors!  Ironically, they do have snow pink, snow mint, snow purple... colors that are very light and reflective but you know what you are getting with the title as their blues are titled with things like 'snow blue'  - NOT snowy white. So far it appears they reserve the white title for white dyes.   ^_^ 
 
 
 
 
 
 As you can see above, the holiday snowy white dye is as blue as some of the blue dyes. Quite the little scam Carbine has going when they can trick people like me into spending 790 NCoins for an account-bound white dye that isn’t white when I had better alternatives in my current dye inventory and I don’t use blue in any of my costumes. If I wanted something that sort of resembled white for all my other characters, I would have purchased better and cheaper options than the pricey holiday blue - something like halon gray (4 gold), nova grey (3 gold),  galactium (94 silver)…..
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Yes, I am aware of everything you mentioned in your reply but again, it really has little to do with my point so evidently my point has not been made well enough no matter how many times I repeat it as I keep finding it necessary to respond to replies like this. Thus, I will keep working on it ;)
 
edit: I am hoping that the people that got the point in my first post stopped reading my posts a long time ago.  :blink:
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Bacon_21, on 21 Dec 2015 - 11:38 PM, said I just found it funny that you started pulling other straws (the red dye) is all. 
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Hey Buzzsaw,
 
We are compiling the feedback about this and other Winterfest feedback and sending up to the people in charge. We cannot comment if any changes will be made but that we're definitely keeping your input in mind.
 
Thank you,
 
-Team WildStar
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Even people arguing the point are doing so... well, from Otter's position (NSFW language).
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Bacon_21, on 22 Dec 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:I am done with the discussion personally as we are now arguing sematics over the actual discussion and the fact some keep rehashing the points made earlier in the thread. 
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People tend to rehash points when others come in and skew their points into something other than the actual point or when someone replies with a misleading or inaccurate statement. Glad to hear you are done in this topic, hopefully I am too. 
 
 
 
No, it was blue titled and sold as white – see how you did it again?
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What does the snow colour in the globe say?
 	
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Okay then............
So let's just summarize this all up:
The price point is off when compared to the Shade's eve dye pack
The "Snow white" isn't the white that a notable portion of people can't agree with being their standard of white and find it misleading
The liquid glob things are the closest you'll get to a preview now and it's a bit iffy for some to gauge
^In relation to the above, it is perhaps best that in the future a "preview on current armor" feature be added to alleviate any problems.
Colour theory is a magical nightmare of visuals and semantics(really helpful though to know if you ever get into a career involving colour!)
			
				
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Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
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What does the snow colour in the globe say?
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What does the snow colour in the globe say?
 
 
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			This is blue for sure. I showed it to 6 people who dont play the game (so there was no bias) Every person said blue instantly. Its one more thing carbine has messed up in a string of mess up's. I really hope they do more QA moving forward. 	
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			Why are people being so rude to the OP? Just because it isn't something you'd complain about doesn't mean you have to be a complete child and mock them :/	
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Very interesting how you failed to answer the questions I asked about why you were being less then truthful with the sequence of events regarding when you made the candy cane outfit and why you completely twisted what I said in that post (outright lies when looking at your claims vs what I said in my post) but you show up a couple days later for this? lmao- I had you pegged since your first post. 
 
As I have zero respect (yes a definite zero here) for people that are not truthful in conversations and pull out the 12 year old abbreviated language and pranks when they cannot answer real questions or add substance to a mature discussion, I will do my best to ignore you from this point on.
 
The blue snow in the globe that Carbine depicted in the ‘night’ sky under the moon’s reflection says nothing nor does it change the fact that snow is white and Carbine labeled the holiday dye as ‘white’ when it is blue. Not off-white- blue.
 
I am guessing that school is out this week due to the holidays and we will continue to see more of this.
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			But either way, it's unacceptable and Tex should know better.	
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Greetings,
 
Since this thread has been derailed dissolved into petty insults, it is being locked.
 
Harassment is not acceptable on these forums. Warnings will be given and offending posts will be removed.
 
The topic of the thread was about the colour of a dye and it ended up like this.
 
Regards,
 
Team WildStar	
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