Report 286

Report #286
Skillset: Music Skill: Octave
 Org: Harbingers Status: Rejected Oct 2009
Furies' Decision:
We don't find this to be necessary.
Problem: Bards require a tight time window in order to operate. They are most
effective within octave, where aurics can't be cured while undeaf, but allheale
and horehound can be used right after earwort. If earwort is up, then the bard
needs to blank/fifth to keep in octave/re-apply guessed barbs, which can usually
go right up to a new earwort.
Solution #1: While in Octave, give a third party message when an Auric is
 cured that indicates which auric it was. The green haze lifts
 from X, etc.
Player Comments:
---[Llandros on 10/14 @ 15:23 writes]:
This would be very handy, I like it
---[Nienla on 10/14 @ 21:57 writes]:
Sounds fine and good.
---[Evaine on 10/14 @ 22:51 writes]:
Looks good
---[Meir on 10/15 @ 04:41 writes]:
This is good. No more to say really.
---[Ceren on 10/15 @ 16:25 writes]:
Considering how powerful minorsixth + aurics can be (3500 - 4000 damage on high
mana/ego races in nightshadeblues on a ~3 second balance), I'd say it should
require some guesswork to pull off. Disagree with solution 1.
---[Llandros on 10/15 @ 19:37 writes]:
I really saw this as being more helpful for discordantchord, keeping two aurics
on somone is not terribly hard but having to stick 4 and then losing power if
you miss one is harsh
---[Desitrus on 10/15 @ 21:13 writes]:
It doesn't increase the speed or effectiveness of m6. While you can discern for
your kill condition, a bard going for discordantchord can not. Same goes for
mana kills, etc. This also only applies in octave, one can simply move or move
the bard. You also use one bard guild as an example of something that helps
bards overall. In reality, if someone is using m6 + nsb, they'll just give you
mana barbs every time they see horehound anyway.
---[Ceren on 10/15 @ 22:24 writes]:
Yes, I used harbingers as an example, the same way I would use geomancers
instead of aquamancers as an example if we were talking about say, making fused
runes do 1k passive damage. You can't really compare an octave/dchord setup to a
mana or ego kill that you can discern/contemplate each balance for. There is no
effect that prevents the straightforward curing of mana or ego while you stand
in the room, while octave is such an effect for auric afflictions. Yes, I know
it's not foolproof, but tossing out 4 afflictions that can't be cured with herbs
unless you run or push the bard through summon resistance is a lot easier than
draining 50% of a pool as they actively restore it.
---[Desitrus on 10/16 @ 15:35 writes]:
How can they not be cured? The whole report is about curing them and doesn't
prevent them being cured. You can cure aurcis in octave, just have to have
truehearing up. You aren't going to stick aurics outside of octave, that's the
whole design. It is certainly comparable as the skill of dischordantchord is
built purely on what aurics are present, and if they are present you're sitting
in octave to begin with. The only option isn't running or pushing the bard, you
can use truehearing and cure. "tossing out four afflictions" sounds like you can
just "poof" and ignore the 10 seconds it takes to get them all up, plus the
power spent on powerspikes, plus the power spent on pfifth every 9 seconds if
you want them to stand still in octave in the first place. It's a far cry from
barrier chasm, in which you "run (whoops nope, read disrupt and hope for lucky
shot) or move someone with 50% summon resist", I can't really see how you think
an indicator of an affliction coming off in third party under specific
circumstances means you will instantly die to every bard. Like I said before, it
does little to nothing to change Harbinger specific tactics, who would be
applying manabarbs every time they see horehound whether they get the message or
not.
---[Ceren on 10/16 @ 20:24 writes]:
Unconvinced. The pattern I see most bards use is to blanknote, toss two aurics,
then wait for earwort and repeat. The only way to get around this to hinder as
you eat earwort or use allheale/gedulah, and I feel that if you do either one of
those you deserve a reprieve rather than the bard instantly knowing which auric
to reapply (and from what I've seen they can be applied nearly as fast as herb
balance itself with the tinkering runes). Also, unless I misunderstood, you seem
to be under the impression that you need to reapply pfifth when they eat
earwort. That ain't the case.
---[Mirami on 10/18 @ 00:22 writes]:
I'm going to agree with the other bard envoys on this one. It's not easy to land
all four aurics, and even harder to land an octave, all four aurics, keep the
person there, and get back to 8p for discordantchord, the primary use for
landing all four aurics at once. I support Solution #1.
---[Desitrus on 10/19 @ 17:52 writes]:
You are misunderstood, you use pfifth to extend the earache so that you can
reapply aurics and get sixths in. You also have to reapply it any time the
person moves. I'm still curious as to why you think that an 8p, not even
guaranteed kill, that hinges on these four afflictions (one of which takes power
to apply and is cured exactly the same way) being present should have no way of
knowing what's left. You seem to paint some unescapable picture of imminent
doom, when in reality your own combination is far more deadly in the "run or
die" scenario. When was the last time you were actually hit with a full strength
Discordant? Never? Imagine that.
---[Ceren on 10/27 @ 22:15 writes]:
I thought about what you said and tested pfifth, and it looks like the earache
it gives is shorter than the eq it takes to give it, so I still don't understand
why you'd reapply pfifth like that. It's perfectly possible to do 2 aurics after
a blanknote (some bards have told me they can do 3) and still recover eq in time
to blank immediately after earwort, all without pfifth earache (assuming it does
somehow extend the earache in a way I don't understand).
---[Desitrus on 10/28 @ 19:50 writes]:
The time it adds is random. This is what leads to the current mugwump trick of
having it last longer than deathsong on certain occasions, thus all the bitching
about ud/p5. I assume your source is the same person abusing that little trick
and playing it down to you when you discuss it.
---[Ceren on 10/29 @ 01:16 writes]:
I see. That's a dirty little trick for deathsong, but I don't see why anyone
would apply pfifth more than once for dischordant when it's both unnecessary and
probably counterproductive (you need power on hand for dchord). This is a bit of
a tangent anyway, come to think of it.