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@dr_helen_jekyll 3 years ago
Does anyone else absolutely DESPISE Jackson Jekyll and Holt Hyde?! Because I do!! They are one of the WORST adaptations of J&H EVER! I mean, other ones that are bad, at least you can laugh at them because they're awful but they did NOTHING right with Holt and Jackson! I could rant on for hours about every little thing that they do that irks me and I. Want. To. Tear. Them. To. Shreads.
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*clears throat* Oh, sorry for the aggressive fan rage... But that's just my opinion.
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Sabrina Cotugno • 3 years ago
As someone who has seen pictures of these guys but has never taken the time to actually look them up, I'd love to read your list of grievances against them!
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Helen Jekyll  Sabrina Cotugno • 3 years ago • edited
...I had a giant list of reasons and my computer refreshed and got rid of it all... 0-0
Sighs. I guess I'll start over.
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Dr. Jekyll II ( Mother Hen ) • 3 years ago • edited
Ah yes, the alleged nephews. I have heard many a tale of those two regarding their...ah...reputation. Although Jackson seems to be a rather decent fellow, it would also seem that his demeanor leaves a thing or two to be desired. Assuming that he ACTUALLY descended from the bloodline in question, simply carrying the surname should still tie him to a reputation of class and intellect, despite the sins that it may also convey. His antics would bring certain shame to the house of Jekyll. I would most certainly not let any grandson of mine cause such a disgraceful spectacle by yelling insults at his alternate personality in the hopes of wooing some girl. The boy is not as clever as one might expect from this family and possesses about as much charm and charisma as a horse in a wool frock. Overall, he is nowhere close to resembling any real Master Jekyll ( although that may also be a result of what iniquitous depravity this line may fall into). As well as his counterpart, Holt falls short of the source material, appearing as overly zealous and somehow oddly magical? ( not that any of the originals weren't also disagreeable, but I am QUITE certain that Hyde doesn't conjure fire )
Operetta too is a blot on the, erm, PHANTOM's family. I highly doubt that a child would be allowed to touch anything at the Opera Populaire, let alone perform gymnastics on such priceless chandeliers. Have you any idea what such fixtures cost?!
In short, it would seem to me that the students of Monster High have a thing or two to learn about their heritage
Forgive me for rambling, but know that your opinion is shared
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Helen Jekyll  Dr. Jekyll II ( Mother Hen ) • 3 years ago • edited
Actually, I found out about Jackson and Holts heritage. Apparently, his mom is a human with a Jekyll and Hyde like transformation problem and his father is a fire elemental... Still doesn't explain the names the two boys have.
And considering the fact that neither Jackson or Hold knew about the transformation for the longest time, why did Holt have Hyde as his last name? Last time I checked, every alter ego someone gets when they have DID don't name themselves Hyde... And that's WAY to big of a connection to just be coincidence.
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Satoshi Jekyll  Helen Jekyll • 3 years ago
I think they should've switched which family member was the fire element and which one was a Jekyll, at least then the naming thing would make more sense. Oh, and get rid of the whole 'haha they never knew of each other until very late in their life' thing, cause that's stupid. The only reason I didn't know of my Hyde is because he was created at first as a split personality, but when I used my potion to not only get rid of my darkness but also him, it gave him a real body.
Ash: And everything became SUPER WELL THANKS TO IT! YAY!
Satoshi: Ugh...Anyways, they had potential. But OF COURSE the idiots at Mattel screwed that up. (Note: I don't think all Mattel people are stupid, this is just Jekyll being upset.)
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Helen Jekyll  Satoshi Jekyll • 3 years ago
Yes, the father should have had the Jekyll last name... Most people don't give their kids the mothers last name. Also, I don't think the whole potion induced transformation is hereditary. And why, of all things, does MUSIC have to be his trigger? You think he would have noticed that every time he tries to listen to music, he blacks out.
And his parents didn't feel the need to tell him about any of this stuff before hand...
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Satoshi Jekyll  Helen Jekyll • 3 years ago
Yeah, the whole music thing is stupid. Also I have a friend on deviant art who has a descendant of Henry Jekyll and she did it a lot better. It only was a split personality at first and only though the last remains of Henry Jekyll's potion does his Hyde truly form.
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Helen Jekyll  Satoshi Jekyll • 3 years ago
Oh, who is this friend, if I might ask? I'm always curious to see people's adaptations.
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Satoshi Jekyll  Helen Jekyll • 3 years ago
Her deviant account is dreamerkat01.
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Helen Jekyll  Satoshi Jekyll • 3 years ago
Wow, I just checked it out. It's a rather interesting take on the characters. I think it's quite fascinating.
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Satoshi Jekyll  Helen Jekyll • 3 years ago
I'm glad you're happy. *Bows*
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Dr. Jekyll II ( Mother Hen )  Helen Jekyll • 3 years ago
Precisely. Although the effects SHOULD be more prominent, the surnames are really a dead giveaway. Especially if the father is of such high status ( begging the question of why an elemental was even consorting with a mortal to begin with ), then those two have absolutely no right to display such infantile behavior
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Huh • 3 years ago
YES! LET THEM BURN! LET THEM BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Satoshi Jekyll • 3 years ago
Ash: Yes! They are UBER LAME! Jackson's and Holt's voices are really annoying. Seriously, how did the producers think their voice was passible. They're barely in the show. They hardly talk about their family. And HOLT! OH HOLT! HE MAKES DR. HYDE LOOK LIKE A REGULARE HYDE! AT LEAST WITH DOCTOR HYDE YOU KNOW HE'S JUST JEKYLL WITH OUR NAME! WITH HOLT ON THE OTHER HAND, HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE EVIL, BUT ALL HE DOES IS BE A DJ! THAT'S NOT EVIL!
Satoshi: Hyde calm down. It's not...(forces on a smile) too bad...The idea of them being romances with Frankie was an interesting idea, to say the least...well at least to me. But they barely do anything with it. And Jackson isn't...too annoying.
... OH TO HELL WITH IT! I CAN'T BARE THEM EITHER! 
Ash: HA! I KNEW IT! NOW LET ME GO TO THE BAZZARE!
Satoshi: Not now. We're ranting, remember.
Ash grumbles.
Satoshi: Anyways, I was disappointed with them. I also DESPIESE Eddie Murphy's Nutty Professor. I found it boring, annoying, and dumb. Mr. Krump was...eh... but OH BOY WAS HIS SPLIT personality annoying. I can't stand him, and his jokes are lame, just like Holt's.
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Lynn StarDragon • 3 years ago • edited
To which, I respond with my opinion.....
If one does not watch Monster High, they should not judge these boys.
If one does not understand the full story behind them, they should not judge these boys.
If one thinks the books are related to the Animated series, they are not.
If one thinks they are supposed to be an adaptation of their ancestors, they are not.
These boys are their own person, with their own problems. They are NOT retelling the story of Henry and Edward. They are also the victims of Logistic issues where their story has gone through no less than three re-writes and Mattel finally just had to retcon their backstory because so many different departments couldn't keep the story straight.
To make this worse: their story will NEVER have closure. Why? Because they are boys and the movies (at least) focus on the girls. They already had a movie about these two and the focus was still on the girls! Mattel can't figure out how to resolve what's going on with them without it being a main plot. So the two of them have to just eternally sit on the sidelines.... waiting... for character growth and development.
And it gets more fucking up because Mattel keeps making toys that 'ship' them with Frankie Stine, but in the series and the video-games she's DATING someone else! So... Jackson and Holt are permanently friend-zoned, but Mattel is still going to make more toys about them WITHOUT giving them any plot.
TL;DR
Hate Mattel for the shit they are using them for, not these poor boys for being denied a life.
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Satoshi Jekyll  Lynn StarDragon • 3 years ago
Yeah, that does stink. However, we can't excuse the fact that even with Mattel's shitty planning, they're boring, uninteresting, have hardly any charm past their names and the legacy they hold, and HOLT IS AN ANNOYING TWAT!
Ash: Plus, even as a descendant, HOLT AND JACKSON FAIL HORRIBLY! They hardly talk to each other and others, Holt isn't EVIL! Jackson is everything annoying about Jekyll times ten, and the whole 'yin-yang' thing is boring and under utilized.
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Helen Jekyll  Lynn StarDragon • 3 years ago • edited
But if they're not suppose to be compared to Jekyll and Hyde, then why name the characters after them? They seemed to have made a conscious choice to base it off of our beloved fandom by deliberately making Jackson all nerdy and Holt wild. Of course, they are absolutely AWFUL character types of they were trying to have this be related to J&H
Also, I have watched quite a bit of it due to my younger siblings.
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Satoshi Jekyll  Helen Jekyll • 3 years ago
I watched the show out of boredom when I found it on YouTube while looking for shows to watch. It was...okay. But I REALLY don't like some of the characters, especially since a lot of them barely have any connections to their originals.
Ash: We're especially looking at YOU MISS VAMPIRICA LADY OR WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS! YOU GIVE VAMPIRES LIKE ME AND SATOSHI BAD NAMES! AND WE'RE STILL RECOVERING FROM TWILIGHT! *shudders at the name of Twilight*
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Helen Jekyll  Satoshi Jekyll • 3 years ago
Yeah... They put all the monsters to shame.
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Satoshi Jekyll  Helen Jekyll • 3 years ago
Well...the only I kind of like Frankie, but sometimes her inductiveness is annoying. But...the other...ugh...I just don't know...also when are you going to post your big rant about Holt and Jackson?
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Helen Jekyll  Satoshi Jekyll • 3 years ago
As soon as I can! I had put a lot of effort into the paragraph my computer made vanished and I'm trying to remake all of it!
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Lynn StarDragon  Helen Jekyll • 3 years ago
Now that I'm calmer, I realize I might have come off as sounding mad at you. I'm not, I'm just so -SO- pissed at Mattel. So if it sounds like I'm attacking anyone for their opinion, I'm not. I just really... REALLY... really hate what Mattel is and is NOT doing with these two.
Ah, if you have watched it, okay then. Informed opinions are awesome and I'm all for agreeing to disagree. I'll do my best to explain my understanding of what's going on.
Why the names? Allow me to grab some background information...
Okay, originally Jackson and Holt were JUST supposed to be dolls. No Web-series counterparts, just dolls. Like, someone had the brilliant idea of "Lets include Jekyll and Hyde for reasons!" "What reasons?" " We don't need to plan any further than that--they're just dolls!" Now if they had left the boys as dolls, that would have been all fine and dandy. But, nope! They were supposed to be one-offs but having Mansters (boy dolls--did I mention MH is made of puns?) is like having a Ken doll for your Barbie doll sets and any time they pump out a boy doll those things fly off the shelves.
Unsurprisingly, with Jackson being the closest thing to a human they made, he and Holt were stupidly popular. So Mattel had to do some fancy footwork and find a way to shoehorn them into the show. Because, 'gee, why were they not at the school for season 1?' Rather than sit down and coordinate with the doll department the show people just started to frantically cast around for plot. Because you can't just take The Strange Case plot and put it in a kids' show verbatim. They had to tweak things so it was child appropriate.
This leaves the debut dolls as being closer to the source material personality/background-wise than the characters who ultimately showed up in the web-episodes (webisodes) and subsequent movies. Mattel can get away with putting some things in the doll books--the little diaries/journals the dolls are boxed with--that they can't sneak by their show censors.
So, yes, it was a deliberate choice to link them with J and H, but they are not a retelling of the story. None of the characters are a retelling of their parents'/ancestors' stories. While Henry and Edward were an allegory for 'social evils' Jackson became an analogy for 'not liking who you become when around others/some friends'. You know... in the teen movies where the kid trying to become popular becomes a whole new person around the 'in' crowd just to seem cool but is back to themselves when alone with 'true' friends? That's what it was supposed to be.
And then Mattel realized that shit wouldn't fly. And they further realized they had no clue how to resolve the problem they had made with the boys--not to mention between the boys and Frankie. That's why in the 'Ghouls Rule' movie--the one dealing with both the true meaning of Halloween and where Jackson and Holt kinda-sorta take center stage but not really--they just slapped together a last second romance for Jackson to fall into and used that to sweep the non-resolution between both of them and Frankie under the rug.
And then we never saw the human girl again.
And then Jackson and Holt stopped mattering and were forever shoved into the background.
It gets so much worse but I'd have to go into a rabid foaming at the mouth rant about all the stupid shit that has been done to them and I don't think anyone here wants me to do that. It involves extrapolated information + observations + headcanons to make everything hurt (more) less.
Though... I do think you did want to hear one of my hour+ rants.... once upon a time ago.
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Helen Jekyll  Lynn StarDragon • 3 years ago
Ah, yes, I believe you were talking about some symbolism in one of the past pages... I'm always willing to hear someone's fan rants out to the very end. I tend to listen well, ask many questions when the person is done, and only answer when I feel I firmly grasp the situation and the motives behind the persons reasoning... After all, I have a vast store of curiousity that rears its head from time to time and it demands that I learn everything I can about a subject so I may better myself from the experiment. 
Back to the subject of Jackson and Hyde, your explaination makes sense but I just want to clarify a few things.
You're saying that under different circumstances and some effort from a few creative writers, these characters would be much better than they are now but because of their origin and the fact nobody thought the reasoning behind them well enough, they ended up being what they are now?
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Helen Jekyll • 3 years ago
I believe someone wanted to hear my list of things I hate about those two... I have many many reasons to dislike them... This is one of the worst adaptations I've ever seen. And I've watched Hassel Hyde and the Pagemaster!
1. Jackson couldn't figure out that everytime he heard music, he blacked out. Music is everywhere in monster high! You'd think that at least one person would have caught him changing with all the teens blaring their music all the time!
2. Is Holt didn't know about Jackson, then how was he not flipping out everytime he took over because he had zero memories of where he came from or having done anything before? Crazy dj or not, you'd think he'd want some sort of answer for how he suddenly pops into existence.
3. The names don't make sense. I'll say that maaaybe it could be possible that Jackson would have the last name Jekyll (despite the fact his mother is the one with the dual personality) but Holt didn't even know he was an alter ego! I think it's WAAAY too much of a coincidence for him to name himself Hyde!
4. They could have been absolutely amazing characters, had they been used differently. The mixture of them being in a kids show and being poorly characterized ruined that. I'm sure, given time, I could come up with a character similar to Jackson and Holt in some ways but with a much more interesting (and reasonable) personality, background, and relationship.
5. Jackson has a pierced eyebrow, yellow dyed hair, AND A TATTOO! No one under the name of Jekyll should have that! It's a disgrace, even if he isn't somehow related to the doctor himself! And Hyde would be horrified at the thought of Holt using his name! He's nothing more than an annoying dj who thinks he's cooler than ice but hotter than hell! 
6. Jackson has terrible parents. They NEVER bothered telling him he was part fire elemental and might possibly develop an alter ego!
Overall, I'm just disappointed in them. I'm disappointed that I didn't find some new reference to fangirl about and sit back and grin because I understood more than the people around me. I'm disappointed because they didn't turn out how I was hoping they would be and weren't teenager versions of the characters I love...
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Satoshi Jekyll  Helen Jekyll • 3 years ago
Ash: We utterly agree. Also, man was Pagemaster's Jekyll and Hyde such a wasted opportunity. Especially since you HAVE LENORD NEMROY AS US! He...They could've been the main villain with Hyde chasing after that tweep, and in the end the tweep would help them out! BUT NOPE, killed at the very beginning. LAME! And no you can't say 'But Lenard would never be a villain!', because he was the real villain for Kingdom Hearts, so he could easily be the villain in this movie. Also evil Spock.
Satoshi nodded.
Satoshi: I hate that they died Jekyll's hair and gave him lame add on to his features. With Hyde, I can understand, but JEKYLL!?...Suspicion of disbelief broken. I didn't even know he had a tattoo until I learned of the toys.
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Tulioh Santos • 3 years ago
My one question. Well, Two for that matter. WHY IS HE BLUE AND WHY IS THIS SO IRRITATING!? they make me wanna punch someone!
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Helen Jekyll  Tulioh Santos • 3 years ago
One, he's supposed to be some sort of fire elemental so apparently he's not allowed to have normal skin color. Two... *sighs* I don't know... He just is...
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