Report 721

Report #721
Skillset: Wildarrane Skill: FaeDitty
 Org: Shadowdancers Status: Completed Oct 2011
Furies' Decision:
We will ensure that Wildarrane FaeDitty cannot stack.
Problem: With the mix of passive equilibrium loss and confusion affliction
Wildarrane is currently able to deal, problems arise when multiple Spiritsingers
stack their effects to cause individuals to lose equilibrium for longer
stretches of time than is acceptable. Instances of equilibrium loss spanning
upwards of 30s or more have already occurred, all stemming from passive effects.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Alter bard songs much like Avatar exalt Aura and
 Wrath have been to address room effect stacking
 issues. If more than, say, one Cantor is in a room
 and they have songs up with the same effects, have
 enemies only be affected by one set rather than
 multiple, compounding effects.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Make it so that FaeDitty does not push enemies off
 equilibrium longer than the duration would otherwise
 be at max with a confused target. So if FaeDitty
 normally knocks a target off equilibrium for 2s
 (guesstimate here), and 4s with confusion afflicted,
 any further loss won't occur until equilibrium is
 regained.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3: Do whatever was done to address balance stacking
 issues but apply it to equilibrium loss.
Player Comments:
---[Viynain on 10/16 @ 08:15 writes]:
I agree that this report is needed, so I have no problem with whichever route
the Admin chooses as long as the problem of 30s+ loss of equilibrium is
addressed.
---[Enyalida on 10/16 @ 18:48 writes]:
I
---[Enyalida on 10/16 @ 18:51 writes]:
'd note that most bard effects already follow solution 1 (to my knowledge).
Generally, that would mean that if an effect still does stack, that was
intended. I would support solution 2, with an addendum stating that the maximum
would scale up if there are more in the room playing who hit with it all at
once. That way, even if they hit with it by luck right before you would recover
eq, it would not extend the eq loss (avoiding some absurd bad luck extrem eq
loss), but having more SS in room with what (may) be an intentionally stacking
effect, it will increase.
---[Viynain on 10/16 @ 19:08 writes]:
I disagree that the maximum should scale up with more bards in the room because
you're proposing that you do agree with absurd amounts of passive equilibrium
loss if you have 10 (unlikely, but theoretically possible) Spiritsingers in the
room.
---[Raeri on 10/17 @ 06:17 writes]:
I don't recall Faeditty stacking in the way you describe. Do you have a log we
could look over? From memory, only one faeditty would hit any given person as
they'd always sing the exact same line, but I suppose I could be wrong, but I
know I've been in groups with multiple 'Singers and we've never perma-offeq'd
anyone like you would expect from this description.
---[Ixion on 10/17 @ 07:22 writes]:
Description is too vague, this needs to be tested with numbers and more details
before an appropriate solution can be discussed I think. What is meant by
solution 3? Balance loss still stacks fully.
---[Morbo on 10/17 @ 22:10 writes]:
Does this effect everyone in the room or just the target? Does Serenwilde have
an excess of movement/action hinder afflictions like aeon/choke already?
---[Rika on 10/17 @ 22:28 writes]:
I don't recall ever seeing people sing because of FaeDitty from multiple songs.
Can you provide logs of this 30s+ eq loss?
---[Enyalida on 10/18 @ 20:28 writes]:
@morbo No, we do not have any unique or semi-unique movement/action hinder
skills. We've got ringwalk, which is carcer-esque, but breaks on any caster
movement. That's all we've got that other people don't have (sap, the ecobanes,
and warrior stuff is there, but that's usual).
---[Shuyin on 10/18 @ 21:56 writes]:
Ancientfeud by spiritsingers is also another form of movement hindering, which I
believe functions as spirit carcer.
---[Enyalida on 10/20 @ 05:53 writes]:
Of course that only works in the room of the user, and only on hearing targets
who should in theory be restrained by perfectfifth anyways. It has less
application for groups, unless the bard is using blankchord, which I've never
known a bard to do all that much.
---[Viynain on 10/22 @ 22:26 writes]:
(Envoys): Iosai says, "Faeditty stacks." Yes, this definitely needs addressing
as we had Iosai check into the code to confirm that it can and does happen.
While logs do help, Admin confirmation that FaeDitty stacks is enough proof to
request a fix to address the problem.
---[Sidd on 10/22 @ 22:32 writes]:
Thanks to Rika and Asmodea for testing, here's a log...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14340896/faeditty.html... You can see both faeditties
hitting within 1 second of each other and I end off balance for about 8 seconds
with confusion (had confusion up to better illustrate the stacking.) So Faeditty
does stack
---[Viynain on 10/22 @ 22:51 writes]:
If two Spiritsingers pushed you to 8s lost, more will just compound the effect
to even more unsavoury levels. Either of the solutions would be good to address
the problem.
---[Raeri on 10/23 @ 01:35 writes]:
Strange. Assuming the equivalent balanceloss stanzas of the other bard guilds do
not stack in this way, I support only one instance of faeditty affecting a
target.
---[Estwald on 10/26 @ 02:49 writes]:
Solution 2.
---[Ethelon on 10/26 @ 03:33 writes]:
Support solution 2
---[Enyalida on 10/26 @ 03:37 writes]:
Solution 2 is fine.
---[Rika on 10/27 @ 05:56 writes]:
Yeah, solution 2 is fine, though solution 3 might be a fix in case other skills
that stack eq loss ever come up
---[Wobou on 10/29 @ 16:11 writes]:
Solution 2 sounds fine although do we know how codeable that is?