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There are rumors that Wildstar retails are not available in some countries anymore, CARBINE PLS if you intend to turn to F2P DONT DO IT! Get on Redmoon create a HM trigger like WoW Ulduar and let Timetravel do his marvelous magic :>
 
F2P will be a WRECK . Just add your shop so i can waste my money	
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			Do you have a source? Rumors spread like wildfire, and we really don't need to cast more doubt then there already is.	
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Do you have a source? Rumors spread like wildfire, and we really don't need to cast more doubt then there already is.
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Hmm, well so far it seems that both major retailers here in Belgium are still selling hard boxes.
Not saying it can't happen, lets just wait few weeks,
 
 
Or errm you know an official response to help clarify, not like's that gonna happen >.>	
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The game will not go F2P if the change something it will be B2P, but even that would just wipe away 50 % of there customer the have right now.
 
I am one of them how will proberly leave when a other model hits Wildstar, but was a fun time.	
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			I think that if they are changing payment model silently - it's a big disrespect to those who are still playing and supporting the game.	
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The game will not go F2P if the change something it will be B2P, but even that would just wipe away 50 % of there customer the have right now.
 
I am one of them how will proberly leave when a other model hits Wildstar, but was a fun time.
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The game will not go F2P if the change something it will be B2P, but even that would just wipe away 50 % of there customer the have right now.
 
I am one of them how will proberly leave when a other model hits Wildstar, but was a fun time.
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I doubt they would lose 50% of their current customers if it went B2P like ESO or TSW did. Also, it would probably bring back a lot of people who already bought the box, and more who would buy the game if it didn't have a subscription, which would more than make up for the player base who leave.
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Well what ever happens, I still think its messed up they would consider such a plan B when the game is less then a year old. 
Most investments don't get break-even the first year, so I still don't see anything that wrong. 
 
It might have to do with the internal battle between NCsoft en Nexon, again some official response would be greatly appreciated. 	
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			Read the article. It specifically states they're being pulled from Australian retailers, which doesn't surprise me. OP in that thread was very deliberate to not mention it only being from Australia. Not saying it's not happening, but be skeptical. 	
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It's not a problem to farm credd each month. If old people not returning or unsubbing, the problem is not in payment model, can't you understand that?
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It's not a problem to farm credd each month. If old people not returning or unsubbing, the problem is not in payment model, can't you understand that?
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you're right, the problem isn't the payment model. BUT historically, when games fail and don't meet financial expectations and the population dwindles the next move is to switch to either F2P or B2P and Introduce a cash shop. 
 
I know certain people are going to come hating on me for calling Wildstar a failure but eh... it is what it is 
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Either way I do hope that Carbine comes up with an official response, because I counted two post on the reddit forum of the same article and anyone who wanted to subscribe to the game will likely not do it because of this news. 
So some fast action is needed imho. 	
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I bought ESO last year and quit it for Wildstar
 
Out of boredom I fired up ESO a couple days ago. Played it for 30 minutes and remembered just how amazing Wildstar is.
 
I hope it doesn't go free to play, but if it did, it would be so nice to see 10's of thousands of players in the world again	
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This is exactly what happened to ESO. They pulled boxes from the same retail outlets in Australia. The rumors started flying. People said the same exact things about ESO as people in this thread are saying about WildStar. Here:
 
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/425848/page/1
 
And we know what happened. Now ESO has way more people than before. Their CS isn't p2w (yet).
 
Anyway, I'm just visiting W* (from ESO) on a 10-day free trial and I've been having a good time and thinking about subbing. I really hope for only good things for this game. Though I prefer sub plans, I can understand if W* needs to change it's business plan. It's just the way things are now. I hope they can do a good job like TSW and GW2. I'm still reserving my judgment on ESO till at least a year has passed on their CS.
 
Cheers.	
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I forgot that the it was also the Australian retailers that did the same for ESO, so I guess that is that. 
 
I'll just say this, don't even consider going F2P. Stick to the B2P model if you're considering either. A optional subscription could be in it's place and a cash shop that isn't intrusive. Very short but that's my personal criteria for anything other than P2P. If P2P business model needs to die, so does F2P. B2P is the closest to a middle road. 	
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If there aren't enough people on WS, it's because it's way too hardcore for common people.
 
If NCSoft is going to turn it into a F2P, it means they will want to get more people. But if the game is still too hardcore, they won't get more people; infact they will keep the actual ones but without a sub.
 
So, if they turn it into a F2P, they will have to lower the game's difficulty.
 
And WS will fall from "one of the gretest MMO ever" to a "basic F2P".
 
WS DOESN'T DESERVE IT !
 
Even if everything leads to think it will be a F2P someday, this will be the worst waste in the gaming industry ever.
 
<= pure fan of WS who turned his back to every other MMO	
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This is exactly what happened to ESO. They pulled boxes from the same retail outlets in Australia. The rumors started flying. People said the same exact things about ESO as people in this thread are saying about WildStar. Here:
 
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/425848/page/1
 
And we know what happened. Now ESO has way more people than before. Their CS isn't p2w (yet).
 
Anyway, I'm just visiting W* (from ESO) on a 10-day free trial and I've been having a good time and thinking about subbing. I really hope for only good things for this game. Though I prefer sub plans, I can understand if W* needs to change it's business plan. It's just the way things are now. I hope they can do a good job like TSW and GW2. I'm still reserving my judgment on ESO till at least a year has passed on their CS.
 
Cheers.
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If there aren't enough people on WS, it's because it's way too hardcore for common people.
 
If NCSoft is going to turn it into a F2P, it means they will want to get more people. But if the game is still too hardcore, they won't get more people; infact they will keep the actual ones but without a sub.
 
So, if they turn it into a F2P, they will have to lower the game's difficulty.
 
And WS will fall from "one of the gretest MMO ever" to a "basic F2P".
 
WS DOESN'T DESERVE IT !
 
Even if everything leads to think it will be a F2P someday, this will be the worst waste in the gaming industry ever.
 
<= pure fan of WS who turned his back to every other MMO
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			I hope you're right, as I hope it will stay sub-based :(	
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No game has 'improved' by going F2P or B2P:
 
- TSW 'Issues' have slowed down considerably (and the population stayed LOW)
- SW:TOR converted to F2P when it had around 750K paying subscriptions, today they are around 500K
- ESO moved to B2P because ZoS couldn't negotiate with Sony and MS a way of playing without LIVE/PSN and they didn't want to lose the millions of box sales on both PS4 and XBONE (projected on the success Skyrim had on consoles)
- TERA was F2P already home before releasing here and honestly it was worse than most korean F2P grinders so no surprise there (and 'economical success'?? really??)
- GW2 has been universally criticised for the poor quality of the Living Story and the focus on its cqash shop
 
If WS goes B2P/F2P it will lose the few people paying for it and it will gain a bunch of parasites that will play for free 1-2 months then drop off. Nothing good ever came out of such conversions (for the players, at least)
 
I know I'll personally just stop playing like I did with TESO when they announced tamriel:Unlimited	
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I forgot that the it was also the Australian retailers that did the same for ESO, so I guess that is that. 
 
I'll just say this, don't even consider going F2P. Stick to the B2P model if you're considering either. A optional subscription could be in it's place and a cash shop that isn't intrusive. Very short but that's my personal criteria for anything other than P2P. If P2P business model needs to die, so does F2P. B2P is the closest to a middle road. 
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I doubt they would lose 50% of their current customers if it went B2P like ESO or TSW did. Also, it would probably bring back a lot of people who already bought the box, and more who would buy the game if it didn't have a subscription, which would more than make up for the player base who leave.
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Personally I dont give a crap if it goes F2P or not. I will play wildstar unthil i'm bored with it regardless:) Right now I'm having a blast:) But I'm casual and non-loyal by hearth (to all things/persons that does not love me back) so I only speak from personal opinion.
 
But if I was asked what would bring most ppl back..I would say F2P/B2P.	
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And in the mean time the thread on Reddit is getting more comments the minute and not a single F was given by Carbine, these are things that would help the game immensely. You know an actual response, a statement. 
But who needs damage control amirite
 
As I have said before, every single soul out there who was considering and coming back or subscribing won't because of this rumor. 	
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			I heard that once it goes B2P, everyone who bought the box gets a free raid Attumentment Key and a new Eldan dye!	
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- SW:TOR converted to F2P when it had around 750K paying subscriptions, today they are around 500K
- GW2 has been universally criticised for the poor quality of the Living Story and the focus on its cqash shop
 
If WS goes B2P/F2P it will lose the few people paying for it and it will gain a bunch of parasites that will play for free 1-2 months then drop off. Nothing good ever came out of such conversions (for the players, at least)
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When ws takes away the sub I know quite a few that will return to the game, so it's a bit harsh to say that those did nothing good for the game ;)
For the conversion Star wars did better after and i assume Star trek online as well.
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Personally I think SWTOR was far better with the cash shop then with the subscription. Finaly I could get nice costumes without having to farm endlessly for them.
 
The only thing that made me stop SWTOR was typical me...my toon was not looking cool enough...Swtor male chests has this wierd front...bird chest like thing...and along with the turret like playstyle of gunslingers i made SWTOR sleep for good:( 
 
But i miss their cash shop alot and I would like to hope that if wildstar goes the same route....it will copy large parts of SWTOR's cash shop. And also..I also "subscribed" to SWTOR while I played...as that also was a perfect thing to add to the cash shop.	
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http:/www.polygon.com/2014/8/14/6001503/star-wars-the-old-republic-2014-players-ea-bioware
Maybe today they have 500k but since they went f2p 3 years and saw a rise in players for 2 years after that, is that something we should just dismish?
 
I'm really curious for some links for GW2 to support what you said.
 
When ws takes away the sub I know quite a few that will return to the game, so it's a bit harsh to say that those did nothing good for the game ;)
For the conversion Star wars did better after and i assume Star trek online as well.
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Personally I think SWTOR was far better with the cash shop then with the subscription. Finaly I could get nice costumes without having to farm endlessly for them.
 
The only thing that made me stop SWTOR was typical me...my toon was not looking cool enough...Swtor male chests has this wierd front...bird chest like thing...and along with the turret like playstyle of gunslingers i made SWTOR sleep for good:( 
 
But i miss their cash shop alot and I would like to hope that if wildstar goes the same route....it will copy large parts of SWTOR's cash shop. And also..I also "subscribed" to SWTOR while I played...as that also was a perfect thing to add to the cash shop.
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TOR cash shop is one of the most hated in the industry and you want WS to copy that?
They sell extra HOTBARS, FFS......
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Do they? I dunno...cause I opted for the "subscription" :)
 
I felt no restriction while playing SWTOR after they went F2P...but as i said...I opted for the "subscription"
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That's the sum of F2P and subs and 'making money for EA' isn't the same things as 'doig good to the game', like a walk through TOR forums will show you.
 
Links to the fact that people think the Living Story is crap? Well, have a look at the official forums
And if it's doing so well why did they merge servers in a Mega Server structure as well?
 
Peoplel who come back and don't pay are as useful as a kick in the nuts: they apport no money and they just lag the server for no real benefit.
Carbien should add reasons for high level players to go back to low level areas, that's what's blocking WS growth: people who try the game see no one in their first 30 levels and quit
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Doing better is a relative term, it's easy to do better than WS. Even EVE does a LOT better than it.
 
WS problem is always been the lack of anything to do for casuals (the people who at the end of the day pay the bills), GW2 is at the other end of the spectrum, so it's natural that it has more players, but a lot of the people who bought GW2 aren't playing anymore, otherwise they wouldn't have needed server merges.  
 
It's obvious that if they want to push people in lower levels they will have to come out with some Level Scaling, like they already do for shiphands for example.
 
And digging for the few positive reviews on Living Story is a bit desperate... I came out with a 1000 links like this
https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/anyone-else-not-into-living-story-stuff
 
The day they announce B2P they'll lose the few subs they still have and earn nothing back from the f2pers	
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Gw2 is sort of divided into 3 parts: 1) pve 2) WWW 3) instanced pvp
 
Personally I only played WWW and it was damn fun...i occationally played the living story pve, but mainly www.
 
But those 3 things make's GW2 sort of "something for all kind of players" I think that helps to keep gw2 healthy:)
 
And the GW2 combat is just as good as WS imo	
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this threads, tweets and subreddits are beyond reason.
Australia is withdrawing the retail boxes, and the entire F2P bandwagon is on the role, thinking they're getting the game for free now...
 
I really pitty the devs who have to read this crap constantly from people not willing to support the hard work this company has done.
What a sad little world we live in....	
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Gw2 is sort of divided into 3 parts: 1) pve 2) WWW 3) instanced pvp
 
Personally I only played WWW and it was damn fun...i occationally played the living story pve, but mainly www.
 
But those 3 things make's GW2 sort of "something for all kind of players" I think that helps to keep gw2 healthy:)
 
And the GW2 combat is just as good as WS imo
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this threads, tweets and subreddits are beyond reason.
Australia is withdrawing the retail boxes, and the entire F2P bandwagon is on the role, thinking they're getting the game for free now...
 
I really pitty the devs who have to read this crap constantly from people not willing to support the hard work this company has done.
What a sad little world we live in....
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			Nexus is worth the sub to me. They have a great universe here with a great personaliy. Everyone drop added so far only bolsters my faith in Carbine and their ability to mold the potential this game has. Whatever the future - thank you Carbine for giving me the best raiding I've had since vanilla/bc raiding	
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More then agreed, but some sort of damage control couldn't hurt no? Do not underestimate the masses. This is ammo for their F2P war. . 
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Exactly, people don't play that over WS because of "no sub", it's just that covers interests for more people
 
Though IIRC WWW was a disaster, at least the first 6 months, then maybe with the sudden drop in population it went better
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lets NOT forget that GW2 has made very very little money from me comparred to SWTOR;) And i have played gw2 ALOT more than SWTOR. In other words ....GW2 cash shop might be crap comparred to SWTOR one. I almost feel bad for how much I have leached from GW2 without paying....and I realy hope WS will not copy Gw2 shop....
 
However..more players is ALWAYS good...even though they pay little....and somehow gw2 make's it work...it might be the gambling habbit from many ppl...spening real money on those stupid gw2 chest keys ....
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lets NOT forget that GW2 has made very very little money from me comparred to SWTOR;) And i have played gw2 ALOT more than SWTOR. In other words ....GW2 cash shop might be crap comparred to SWTOR one. I almost feel bad for how much I have leached from GW2 without paying....and I realy hope WS will not copy Gw2 shop....
 
However..more players is ALWAYS good...even though they pay little....and somehow gw2 make's it work...it might be the gambling habbit from many ppl...spening real money on those stupid gw2 chest keys ....
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			It is sad, but without some CRB showing up to say they have plans to bring new players in, and it isn't f2p/b2p, we will have these threads. Without facts there is only conjecture, and paranoia quickly seeps through the cracks to fester. 	
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			I was just starting to enjoy what felt light a positive upswing too . . .	
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More people is not always good.
Lest we forget:
 
Goldsellers
Bots
Queue's
Quest mobs being camped/farmed, preventing play
Quality of the Community
 
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It is sad, but without some CRB showing up to say they have plans to bring new players in, and it isn't f2p/b2p, we will have these threads. Without facts there is only conjecture, and paranoia quickly seeps through the cracks to fester. 
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Goldsellers dont bother casual players (its a carbine issue and i care not how they fix it)
same as above
Ques for dungeons and pvp only get better:)
Camping of quest mobs should not be a very hard problem to solve...I never had big big issues with this in wow...
Yes..quality of com might degrade, but most ppl dont give a shit about that tbo...I love friendly ppl and I try to be friendly too, but it is in no way a hinderance for me playing games. I mostly play in pugs anyway and the less chat in-game the better. I talk mostly on the forums:)
 
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So.. the champions of F2P are people that don't play MMOs socially or don't have 15$ a month
 
Now I understand why the genre is dying	
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I think the same, hope that someone of the Carbine can answer at those threads :)
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Goldsellers dont bother casual players (its a carbine issue and i care not how they fix it)
same as above
 
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It is sad, but without some CRB showing up to say they have plans to bring new players in, and it isn't f2p/b2p, we will have these threads. Without facts there is only conjecture, and paranoia quickly seeps through the cracks to fester. 
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If they say it won't happen and then it happens, they lose credibility
If they say it will happen, they'll lose quite a chunk of subs
 
So... silence
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So a guy said this in the reddit thread 
 
 
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FINALLY OMFG, I can't wait to play this game now. Bought it at launch and it just doesn't have enough content for a sub.
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That said, won't make one tiny little bit of difference to me. There *will always* be an option to subscribe, and *you know* that you get better access with a subscription, so why the fuss?
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So he rejoices over the fact that the game would become F2P, yet it doesn't have enough content ?
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Seems more to me like he bought the game and was to cheap to actually get a subscription. 
You know he could just like you the 10 day free trial and check if the content has become sub worthy? But noooo,
 
 
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Yeah, pretty much this.
 
Any talk of transition will cause the subscribers who are opposed to it, to jump ship. Any talk of transition will give the supporters all the more reason to hoot and holler their approval.
 
By not saying anything until the very last minute, they *think* they're preserving the status quo in order to milk as much subscription-money out of folks as possible. I mean, if you knew the game was going B2P in a month or two, why bother to subscribe? Just sit back and wait for the inevitable free access.
 
That said, won't make one tiny little bit of difference to me. There *will always* be an option to subscribe, and *you know* that you get better access with a subscription, so why the fuss?
 
Seriously. Get off your high-horses and embrace a new community (should this be more than rumor, that is). You know it as well as I do, that Carbine is not worried about anything except keeping the lights on and the payroll made. No amount of "DO THIS AND I QUIT" will change whatever course they're on.
 
You can accept it or you can bug off.
 
Me? I'll be right here, no matter what. I am currently very happy with the game and so long as I am having fun, they get my money.
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I will "bug off", as will my entire guild.
There's other games for us out there to play then.
 
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No. This poster did not find enough value for his money at launch. He already owns the game but doesn't/didn't see the game being worth a monthly fee. He would, apparently, like to play the game he *purchased* but doesn't feel compelled to *subscribe.*
 
and AGAIN, I'll use DC Universe as the one game everyone forgets about being F2P, successful, profitable *and* still churning out TONS of new content on a regular basis. The Secret World is *also* basically F2P, craploads of a fun (story-wise) and still producing regular content updates.
 
It *can* be done. It *has* been done.
 
You're damn well shooting off your noses, just to spite your faces right now.
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I will "bug off", as will my entire guild.
There's other games for us out there to play then.
 
 
Exactly.
GTAV was pulled from the stores as well in Australia, is that game going F2P as well now?
And the mentality you described is what is wrong with a lot of people. How does it make any sense to get something for free?
Everything you use has been created by someone, and that costs money.
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Doesn't feel so hot to be told that, after telling so many other people the same thing, does it?
 
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It's a principle of mine and I stick to it.
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And the mentality you described is what is wrong with a lot of people. How does it make any sense to get something for free?
Everything you use has been created by someone, and that costs money.
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Not too many games out there with subscription Olivar;) Going back to wow? ;)
 
Ppl are what ppl are. Most ppl are rather friendly if you make an effort to find out I have noticed. And I also like ppl in general even without knowing them deeply also:) I love the social aspect of a pug dungeon...even if all that was said was HI and GG at the end...you still played alongside other ppl...you still contributed...it makes me feel good:) 
 
Even the guys that realy want tto play for free is welcome in "my pug" :)
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I don't think Olivar deserves this treatment. And I don't think he asked for your pity.
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Well then, enjoy the #hardcore raiding in WoW, since that's about the only pure subscription-based game left on the market.
 
I'm sorry, my Chua brother, I don't mean to be horsey, but you seem to have made up your mind about this. I feel no pity for you or others folks like you, who've been so quick to tell others to hit the road if they didn't like the way things were going.
 
Now that things might not be heading your way, you're ready to jump ship.
 
There is a word for that, but I'll let you figure out which one.
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I don't think Olivar deserves this treatment. And I don't think he asked for your pity.
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Well then, enjoy the #hardcore raiding in WoW, since that's about the only pure subscription-based game left on the market.
 
I'm sorry, my Chua brother, I don't mean to be horsey, but you seem to have made up your mind about this. I feel no pity for you or others folks like you, who've been so quick to tell others to hit the road if they didn't like the way things were going.
 
Now that things might not be heading your way, you're ready to jump ship.
 
There is a word for that, but I'll let you figure out which one.
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Don't read too much into it. He understood what I meant. That's what matters.
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Well then, enjoy the #hardcore raiding in WoW, since that's about the only pure subscription-based game left on the market.
 
I'm sorry, my Chua brother, I don't mean to be horsey, but you seem to have made up your mind about this. I feel no pity for you or others folks like you, who've been so quick to tell others to hit the road if they didn't like the way things were going.
 
Now that things might not be heading your way, you're ready to jump ship.
 
There is a word for that, but I'll let you figure out which one.
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 He's verbally dressed down enough people here that he should have thicker skin.
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I want to make clear that I believe the whole "RAID OR DIE" mentality
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I for one (and I think also Tex) do not parade the F2P wagon...we are only suggesting that a change to such model is not all negative for WS...and that it actually might help WS to earn more money etc:)
 
Both me and tex will stay regardless of the business model:)	
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That seemed a bit harse. I would say maybe rude. And to be fair, yes, if things were not going the way I like, I would jump ship too. You know why? Its a video game. Not real life.
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			On topic, doesn't Australia pull a game if it has a bit of violence in it? I mean, didn't the country try to (or has) ban motorcycle clubs?	
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It's amazing how people's tune changes once something they don't like could be possible. 
 
So for the people saying go away if you don't want to pay, are now saying well if there is no sub I'm going to leave.
 
I for one don't care if it's P2P or B2P (don't want F2P).  Also, you have no facts that because the game goes B2P/F2P that the quality will go down.  Just because another game quality went down does not mean WS will.
 
DCUO, TSW, ESO, EQ2 still pump out a lot of good content and they're basically free or buy once.  It feels like some of you are being spoiled brats because you didn't get your way and not even giving it a chance.	
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On topic, doesn't Australia pull a game if it has a bit of violence in it? I mean, didn't the country try to (or has) ban motorcycle clubs?
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I don't think that was ever the mentality intended by Carbine. Otherwise, stuff like shiphnads and adventures would have never been in the game. But that perception sure was created, and I agree it didn't help things.
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TBO...I'm a casual player and DONT YOU EVER think that shiphands and adventures are enough for the casual crowd! We want to play end game dungeons hard mode..we want to dabble into raids etc...we want part of it all. We will NEVER master it or get server first..but we realy would LIKE TO TRY the content:)
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On topic, doesn't Australia pull a game if it has a bit of violence in it? I mean, didn't the country try to (or has) ban motorcycle clubs?
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Maybe it was, maybe it was just honest, straight-talk from an honest, straight-talker?
 
I ain't got no horse in this race. I've been clear that I'll pay my sub no matter what the business model is. I don't understand why you guys wouldn't just do the same thing.
 
Principals? What principals? That you'd rather see the game close shop that be "forced" to play with someone who doesn't drop $15/month to join us? That just doesn't make one bit on sense.
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That's why GTA V was pulled. It had nothing to do with business models and everything to do with depictions of violence against women, if I recall correctly.
 
Wildstar might have some violence, but it ain't GTA violent.
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Maybe it was, maybe it was just honest, straight-talk from an honest, straight-talker?
 
I ain't got no horse in this race. I've been clear that I'll pay my sub no matter what the business model is. I don't understand why you guys wouldn't just do the same thing.
 
Principals? What principals? That you'd rather see the game close shop that be "forced" to play with someone who doesn't drop $15/month to join us? That just doesn't make one bit on sense.
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And what's stopping you from doing it?
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Because, its a lot of variables. I will try it, I dont mind F2P, what I mind is if it affects the core game (content, not shop items like cosmetics), if things get locked behind a gate, or require 1000 hours of grind to get something, but you can take a shortcut with spending some £, then yea I do have an issue with that (check out Neverwinter). Result being, not going my way = jumping ship (why pay for something I dont want/need?)
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Wait.... people still buy games in stores?
 
And this source figures the game's running towards F2P because Wildstar is being taken off the shelves of EB games almost a year after its release in Australia?
 
Because this doesn't sound panicky at all...	
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This time? I think NOTHING!!! Last time i played it was the looming attunement and all the reading about cant complete vet dungeons as a casual (prob due to elite players dumping casual that would not run gold)....
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Principals? What principals? That you'd rather see the game close shop that be "forced" to play with someone who doesn't drop $15/month to join us? That just doesn't make one bit on sense.
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Wait.... people still buy games in stores?
 
And this source figures the game's running towards F2P because Wildstar is being taken off the shelves of EB games almost a year after its release in Australia?
 
Because this doesn't sound panicky at all...
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TBO...I'm a casual player and DONT YOU EVER think that shiphands and adventures are enough for the casual crowd! We want to play end game dungeons hard mode..we want to dabble into raids etc...we want part of it all. We will NEVER master it or get server first..but we realy would LIKE TO TRY the content:)
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So instead of trying it, you just read about it and gave up?
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			And, FWIW, dumping causals because you can't make gold in a dungeon has never been a thing (maybe it's happened a handful of times). It WAS a thing for adventures, but that has been corrected.	
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Kind of like an possible payment-plan changes, huh?
 
Ironic, that.  ;)
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Which is why I'd say "hide and watch before making any rash choices."
 
We JUST DON'T KNOW at this point what, if anything, would change for a subscriber who continues to pay a subscription. I do not care one bit what the B2P/F2P player would have access to, because I will NEVER be one of those players. I believe in paying my subscription (and spending extra on cosmetic crap) because I want the entire game, not whatever part they decide I should have access to. I have yet to see a game that gates actual content from a subscribing member.
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Well either way if someone from Carbine could just for once actually say something this could all stop anyway. 
I know they are watching this thread so for once, just say something lol. 	
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at one point, i said "probably for drop 6".
 
and i was. probably right.
 
be ready folks, wildstar is going to be packed!	
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Quality of the Community
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at one point, i said "probably for drop 6".
 
and i was. probably right.
 
be ready folks, wildstar is going to be packed!
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Problem is 
1) ESO sorta had a same thing going, removed its hard copies from stores
2) So far Carbine hasn't responded, so speculation continues. 
 
But yeah overall it seems like this article has little to no real information. 
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And here is the ONLY reason I hope these rumors aren't true.
 
Just so this guy won't be able to crow about it.
 
Is that harsh?  :lol: :lol:
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That's the only reason? 
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Maybe it was, maybe it was just honest, straight-talk from an honest, straight-talker?
 
I ain't got no horse in this race. I've been clear that I'll pay my sub no matter what the business model is. I don't understand why you guys wouldn't just do the same thing.
 
Principals? What principals? That you'd rather see the game close shop that be "forced" to play with someone who doesn't drop $15/month to join us? That just doesn't make one bit on sense.
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That's the only reason?  Avatar is your new median if the game goes F2P.  That is who would replace the people who leave.
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thank you.
appreciated that you finally see me for who i am.
 
a little story here:
remember the movie "ALIEN" ? it was fkin great. but it kind of tanked at the box office... they weren't thinking of doing a sequel.
then, James Cameron, fresh from directing his new movie "terminator" went to see the producers of ALIEN and pitched to get money for a sequel.
what did he drew on the chalkboard?
he wrote ALIEN
then added an S to make ALIENS.
then did a line thru the S, $.
ALIEN$.
 
and the second movie called "ALIENS" went on to be a box office hit.
 
the first one is still the classic studied in cinema schools though.
and the second one is studied in film production and merchandising classes.
 
so goes the society Vic.
lets hug.
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That's the only reason?  Avatar is your new median if the game goes F2P.  That is who would replace the people who leave.
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Tex... are you not the person who quit Wildstar and left the guild you made because of 'principle'? You bailed when megaservers hit because of the Evindra explosion, didn't you? Forecasts about how bad the RP trolling would get?
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On topic, doesn't Australia pull a game if it has a bit of violence in it? I mean, didn't the country try to (or has) ban motorcycle clubs?
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Well, to be fair, I did leave for a variety of reasons that kind of hit all at once.
 
1. the megamerge and renaming crap (I always hate renaming my toons, no matter the reason)
2. the exodus of friends who came and left in rapid succession (came in with over a dozen, all gone within two month)
3. my wife quit playing
4. six good friends drugged me and convinced me to try Archeage (Lord, what THAT a disaster!)
5. I met Vic and new I could leave the Saddles in good hands
 
So really, my reason(s) were multiple and varied, and had little to do with changes I didn't care for in the grand scheme of rationales.
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What the actual...I'm not saying there is a different dynamic between a movie & a game, but there is. 
 
Plus if Wildstar went B2P/F2P it wouldn't be a evolution or new product. They can call it Wildstars all they want, but the game is the same game regardless of business model. 
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More people is not always good.
Lest we forget:
 
Goldsellers
Bots
Queue's
Quest mobs being camped/farmed, preventing play
Quality of the Community
 
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That's the only reason?  Avatar is your new median if the game goes F2P.  That is who would replace the people who leave.
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Find it kind of funny when I originally posted about retail boxes disappearing a few weeks back my comment was deleted and thread immediately locked.
 
idk why there's so much hate on a growth of population really. I will miss the 20 subs we're going to lose (oh snap) when the change comes.
 
My routine as of late, log in to all 6 of my dommies and do my crafting daily fetch quests, notice all 20 dudes in Illium (Entity PvE,) realize game still doesn't have much to do as of yet and just close client. We need more people. I await the day I can join a guild and actually participate in warplots daily. 	
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realize game still doesn't have much to do as of yet and just close client
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idk why there's so much hate on a growth of population really.
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There's not. The question is always how the game is going to foot the bill and whether it will change it into something that is no longer fun.
 
I mean, if the US government said "OK, from now on everyone gets free lunch ever day", those who would question the wisdom of such a move would not be hating on lunch.
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... but saying you're going to quit before giving it a chance sounds like you being a child who didn't get their way and now throwing a temper tantrum.
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There's not. The question is always how the game is going to foot the bill and whether it will change it into something that is no longer fun.
 
I mean, if the US government said "OK, from now on everyone gets free lunch ever day", those who would question the wisdom of such a move would not be hating on lunch.
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			One of the reasons for TESO 'light' cash shop is the money they are planning to make by selling millions of boxes to console players, that doesn't seem the case here, so probably expect something more like TOR cash shop. Don't forget. It's NCSOFT	
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You know how, throw vanity items in a cash shop like ESO does.  Have an optional sub like every F2P/B2P mmo that grants more perks for subs.  There are a lot of ways to do it with out taking the 'fun' out of the game.
 
Jesus Christ people you have NO idea how the game will be IF it does change it's payment model, you just aspect the worst because of a prior experience.  Well, I hate to tell you this WS isn't like the last MMO you played.  
 
If the game turns to shit after the conversion then leave like I will, but saying you're going to quit before giving it a chance sounds like you being a child who didn't get their way and now throwing a temper tantrum.
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saying you're going to quit before giving it a chance sounds like you being a child who didn't get their way and now throwing a temper tantrum.
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That's not an unreasonable position.
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Or a consumer following their heart...
 
Sorry but this isn't a classroom, it's a video game. I'm not one of the people who will leave as soon as F2P is accounced, but I am a person who can leave for any or no reason, as I see fit, and it's certainly not a 'temper tantrum'.
 
I would encourage other players to stick with the game as long as they feel comfortable with it. If they're not comfortable with any possible future announcements/direction, it's well within reason and maturity for them to leave.
 
Be real, please.
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There's not. The question is always how the game is going to foot the bill and whether it will change it into something that is no longer fun.
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I am being real, and I wasn't talking about people who WILL give it a chance, I'm talking about the people who have no problem telling other people if you don't want to pay it then go find another MMO, but when the tides turn, they're the first ones out with out giving it a chance.
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I am being real, and I wasn't talking about people who WILL give it a chance, I'm talking about the people who have no problem telling other people if you don't want to pay it then go find another MMO, but when the tides turn, they're the first ones out with out giving it a chance.
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Just a few days ago I used the 10-day trial to reactivate my account, then used what was left of my currency for CREDD to see if I could get back into the game and re-sub.
 
Unfortunately this news means I won't progress further.  The F2P model works (Path of Exile is a great F2P game), but I don't see it working for Wildstar.  Any in-game store they have will have decor, dye, and other items you can't get in-game.  Wildstar does a great job with housing and I bet they would make money with a cash shop for that, but I don't want that.  I like paying a flat fee to get anything I want in-game.  Wildstar is going in the right direction with it's content, but the press has been so bad about it or non-existent you wouldn't know it unless you looked it up on the site itself.
 
There are probably a lot of people like me on the edge of re-subbing.  Unfortunately without some sort of response to this news, I don't plan to come back.  I don't want to invest money in a game that could be heading in a F2P direction.  No one can deny this is an obvious indication of that.  I'd rather save my money and wait it out.  The next drop could be the biggest indication of that.	
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There are probably a lot of people like me on the edge of re-subbing.  Unfortunately without some sort of response to this news, I don't plan to come back. 
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More to the point ... the people who feel they are "footing the bill for free-loaders" when they've been buying CREDD this entire time AND FOOTING THE BILL FOR FREE-LOADERS!
 
But CREDD is #hardcore and #superfine because, you know, it was here at Launch. Changing things now is a "lie" and "deception" and every other bit of hyperbolic inanity they can muster.
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			Yep I am sure these news have done more damage to WS than expected.	
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Terrible argument, Tex. People who farm gold to buy CREDD are not freeloaders, they're participating in a special economy that helps keep the game live.
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Yeah, right. It's free-loading. It's trading your time for my money. I am paying for you to play.
 
it is the EXACT SAME THING. It's only "special" because it's been here since Launch. It's no more "special" than free-loading.
 
You know what you call playing a game while someone else pays for it? Free-loading.
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More to the point ... the people who feel they are "footing the bill for free-loaders" when they've been buying CREDD this entire time AND FOOTING THE BILL FOR FREE-LOADERS!
 
But CREDD is #hardcore and #superfine because, you know, it was here at Launch. Changing things now is a "lie" and "deception" and every other bit of hyperbolic inanity they can muster.
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Just a few days ago I used the 10-day trial to reactivate my account, then used what was left of my currency for CREDD to see if I could get back into the game and re-sub.
 
Unfortunately this news means I won't progress further. The F2P model works (Path of Exile is a great F2P game), but I don't see it working for Wildstar. Any in-game store they have will have decor, dye, and other items you can't get in-game. Wildstar does a great job with housing and I bet they would make money with a cash shop for that, but I don't want that. I like paying a flat fee to get anything I want in-game. Wildstar is going in the right direction with it's content, but the press has been so bad about it or non-existent you wouldn't know it unless you looked it up on the site itself.
 
There are probably a lot of people like me on the edge of re-subbing. Unfortunately without some sort of response to this news, I don't plan to come back. I don't want to invest money in a game that could be heading in a F2P direction. No one can deny this is an obvious indication of that. I'd rather save my money and wait it out. The next drop could be the biggest indication of that.
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Really?
 
And here I thought "pure selfishness" has always been an unreasonable position.
 
Weird.
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Wait up a bit... All of this drama is based on someone's CONJECTURE based on one event in one country. Hell for all we know they are updating the box art or the retailer decided to pull it, not NCSoft.
 
Retailers buy the product from the company and then sell it. What they do might have nothing to do with what the company who makes the product is doing.
 
Jesus... so much butt hurt over a piece of fluff news.
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 Any in-game store they have will have decor, dye, and other items you can't get in-game.  
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Yep I am sure these news have done more damage to WS than expected.
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And you know this because you've seen the specific details of this game would implement B2P/F2P, even though none of us even know for sure whether or not B2P/F2P is coming?
 
Sounds legit.
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He's seen the future!
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Yeah, right. It's free-loading. It's trading your time for my money. I am paying for you to play.
 
it is the EXACT SAME THING. It's only "special" because it's been here since Launch. It's no more "special" than free-loading.
 
You know what you call playing a game while someone else pays for it? Free-loading.
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... but I suspect from your posts that your logic works in a different way
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It gets mentioned a few times in this thread.  It was my entry to it.  Welcome to this era of Wildstar forum activity.  I'm actually shocked people still buy MMORPGs in stores.
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not damage. but HYPE.
 
you have to understand what the majority of gamers expect wildstar to be.... they spoke with their wallets. they are not playing anymore.
the reasons are a plenty. and nothing can reverse the damage done aside from changing business model at this point.
wildstar is not a game made with a long life expectancy, not time to lose trying to regain subs slowly...
it needs a WAVE.
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Every week it seems someone wants to make a thread based around f-2-p ing in one way or another, i'd keep track of these screen names. Also how many threads mods do we need of this?
 
You guys should make a blocker or a deny new thread creations based on any key wordings such as these to prevent this idiocy.
 
This is some epic trolling, congrats on all these f-2-p posts shits ridiculous, your amount of qq-ing for it won't make it happen just makes people block you, also ty crb for that option.
 
I'm one of those freeloaders tex 
 
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So ... because some dude started a thread here, about a thread on Reddit, about something happening in Australia ... you're ready to quit again already?
 
 
Uh. Well. Okay.
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Right. It works logically.
 
Which is decidedly different than some others thought processes here.  ;)
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 I'm one of those freeloaders tex guess what f... you know.
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Whatever brings more players to Wildstar, I'm cool with.
 
B2P works fine, look at gw2. F2P with a good costumes etc shop will work aswell.	
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While I agree on most of your post (and game post-mortem) a wave is pointless if the game is still as casual friendly as when these people left
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Right. It works logically.
 
Which is decidedly different than some others thought processes here.  ;)
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pets, toys, wardrobe, shiphands...
 
its getting there.
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Well as my logic works differently, I can safely ignore your rants from now on :)
 
Thanks for clearing that out
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Hey folks, 
 
Please cool off on the insults. I know it's a crazy thread and that's perfectly fine, but we don't need name calling or veiled insults in the discussion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. 
 
Thank you.
- Team WildStar 	
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It gets mentioned a few times in this thread. It was my entry to it. Welcome to this era of Wildstar forum activity. I'm actually shocked people still buy MMORPGs in stores.
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You mean the articles written by news sites and the fact that ESO had the same thing happen to it?  Yes.
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Selfishness would be based entirely around an element of personal deprivation.  Unfortunately, that doesn't happen in the B2P/F2P discussion.  With the current CREDD system, a similar effect is achieved on a one-to-one and entirely voluntary basis, on currency and elements which are most often highly available by game means.  In F2P/B2P, that element of choice is removed; the game's shop elements will be developed whether you want them or not, will cost developer time and money, and will require you to pay for them in high enough quantity to fund development of the game further.  They do not have the luxury of making them ancillary items that you can take or leave.
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Hey folks, 
 
Please cool off on the insults. I know it's a crazy thread and that's perfectly fine, but we don't need name calling or veiled insults in the discussion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. 
 
Thank you.
- Team WildStar 
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Please revisit your idea that this is the exact same thing?
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Okay, look ...
 
I can farm enough Plat to buy a CREDD doing solo content (dailies, shiphands, whatever).
 
I buy a CREDD from the CX and drop my 15 Plat to play for a month.
 
The supplier gets my 15 Plat (PAID TO WIN!) and I get a month of game time (FREE TO PLAY!) and neither the supplier nor myself has done a single thing to help the in-game economy.
 
Sure, sure, maybe that's different for folks you run raids or dungeons or whatever it is you guys do in groups for extra Plat. And sure, that grouping is good for the game. I get that. Yay, groupers!
 
But the thing is, it doesn't HAVE to work that way. It is totally possible to play solo, farm Plat and buy CREDD and never, ever add to the game community.
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Just a few days ago I used the 10-day trial to reactivate my account, then used what was left of my currency for CREDD to see if I could get back into the game and re-sub.
 
Unfortunately this news means I won't progress further.  The F2P model works (Path of Exile is a great F2P game), but I don't see it working for Wildstar.  Any in-game store they have will have decor, dye, and other items you can't get in-game.  Wildstar does a great job with housing and I bet they would make money with a cash shop for that, but I don't want that.  I like paying a flat fee to get anything I want in-game.  Wildstar is going in the right direction with it's content, but the press has been so bad about it or non-existent you wouldn't know it unless you looked it up on the site itself.
 
There are probably a lot of people like me on the edge of re-subbing.  Unfortunately without some sort of response to this news, I don't plan to come back.  I don't want to invest money in a game that could be heading in a F2P direction.  No one can deny this is an obvious indication of that.  I'd rather save my money and wait it out.  The next drop could be the biggest indication of that.
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Cash shops are entirely voluntary. Last time I checked, nobody ever forced someone to make a cash shop purchase.
 
And CREDD is not one person-to-one person in any sense that matters. A whale can buy a CREDD token every day and subsidize 30 other people in the current business model, just like a whale can spend $600 in a cash shop and subsidize 30 other people in a F2P game.
 
The only choice that is removed by introducing a cash shop is the choice to play this game without a cash shop existing. The analogous choice lost in the current game is the choice to play this game without a CREDD exchange existing. So this system does not present more choice than one with a cash shop.
 
And the fact that people buy CREDD with cash at all in spite of being based on "currency and elements which are most often highly available by game means" demonstrates that in fact they can fill a cash shop with ancillary items that you can take or leave and some people will still spend cash on them.
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Stepping out, my last comment on this situation for now.
 
Carbine/NCSoft: If F2P is going to happen, tell us sooner than later. I would be significantly more butthurt about the whole situation if I felt like Carbine/NCSoft were hiding important payment information from its current paying playerbase, especially with all the controversy and frustration this game is going through as a result of past broken promises/changed ideology.
 
Memory serving, it was stated this game would never go F2P. I don't mind so much if you change that stance, but if you 'milk' the players by providing no hint and just spring it on us without requesting feedback or sharing insights, I will be taking it as an indication I can't trust you. Then I'd leave.
 
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And the fact that people buy CREDD with cash at all in spite of being based on "currency and elements which are most often highly available by game means" demonstrates that in fact they can fill a cash shop with ancillary items that you can take or leave and some people will still spend cash on them.
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Items then...
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They tend to charge up on them.  15 dollars is a pretty common breakdown for a cash shop mount.  Some games, once you do the exchange math, come out to 20.
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Well the prices are going up in the EU so if we need to believe suply/demand either we have a lot more players or the supply of CREDD is going down.
I don't need to tell you which I think is right so I'm wondering what will happen when there won't be any credd any more on the market.
Also if there are only a handful on sale you can easily buy them up and double the price, which already has happened once it seems...
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You know how, throw vanity items in a cash shop like ESO does.  Have an optional sub like every F2P/B2P mmo that grants more perks for subs.  There are a lot of ways to do it with out taking the 'fun' out of the game.
 
Jesus Christ people you have NO idea how the game will be IF it does change it's payment model, you just aspect the worst because of a prior experience.  Well, I hate to tell you this WS isn't like the last MMO you played.  
 
If the game turns to shit after the conversion then leave like I will, but saying you're going to quit before giving it a chance sounds like you being a child who didn't get their way and now throwing a temper tantrum.
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I understand the point you want to make just fine. CREDD good, cash shop bad. Got it. But your post boils down to two arguments against a cash shop and they're both false.
 
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A cash shop is very different because, obviously, I don't get to pick what the developers spend their time making.  
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You must be blind if you think les people are playing, a lot of people came back after drop 4 so yeah CREDD went up because more people wanted it.
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They tend to charge up on them.  15 dollars is a pretty common breakdown for a cash shop mount.  Some games, once you do the exchange math, come out to 20.
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