Report 321

Report #321
Skillset: Phantasms Skill: Whispers
 Org: Shadowdancers Status: Completed Feb 2010
Furies' Decision:
Whisper eq time slightly increased.
Problem: I have exacting logs which show the fact that mages, even without an
equilibrium bonus to aide their recovery, can permanently keep a target off
concentrate level equilibrium by recasting Whispers continuously until the
afflicted is killed. Even with concentrate being approximately 2s long, the
equilibrium used from Whispers matches it - which would be even less should they
activate Celerity upon their person or are boosted by a passive effect (such as
Cacophony +eq bonus/malus, etc.). With a 1p casting cost, casting it just 6
times for 6p will last long enough for even the longest of timed instakills to
go through. A log is available upon request if so desired.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Give whispers the standard 4s casting time and up its
 power cost to 2p. Comparable to Stag's StagStomp but
 cheaper since it doesn't break limbs.
Player Comments:
---[Jael on 2/18 @ 00:18 writes]:
I'm not exactly well-versed with mages, but you-know-who has asked the following
to be noted: There is no need for this change. It also seems centered around
poor, misinformation. Stagstomp in Stagform costs 2p. Stagform also works
synergically with sap and passive confusion - neither of which are an issue for
whisper. I also have tested whisper multiple times with multiple people and am
willing to provide logs that show it can easily be concentrated out with plenty
of time to move.
---[Viynain on 2/18 @ 01:23 writes]:
Considering that my research for this ability comes from experience and first
hand accounts and logs of the ability itself, trying to imply any form of
misinformation from Narsrim holds no merit. In my logs, the equilibrium cost
equals the concentrate length which Sior can check easily enough for
confirmation thereof. The argument still remains that an ability which doesn't
require the prone status for that level of an effect (unlike Stagform which
needs a 10p defense to bump down the cost that low and still requires a prior
status) takes such into account for the suggested fix.
---[Lorina on 2/19 @ 05:54 writes]:
Yes, I admit. I am one of those mages that locks a person down with whispers. I
can totally understand bumping up the power cost two, but it does effect only
one person. I always thought of it as a mage choke kind of thing. Ruiku can
vouch for me doing this to him. A great raid stopper!
---[Fillin on 2/21 @ 06:19 writes]:
Not that this totally discredits the problem, but some of the information
presented is actually incorrect. The equilibrium for casting whisper is slightly
longer than the eq for concentrate. The problem occurs when the target has lag
>= 0.5s. Over time I've developed a mental list of people who will not get
locked by whispers (they're usually always the same people), one of which is
someone I've heard lives in the same city as the Lusternia servers, so the
correlation is pretty clear I think. Still, given eq boosts like celerity and
taintedlove, some small nerf might be in order, but I don't know if I want to go
down that path of logic because then we might, for example, conclude that lash
needs to be nerfed because it drains ungodly amounts of mana with
nightshadeblues. Regardless, the turkey you've put on this table is far too fat;
I don't know if you're aware, but there's a skill in Shofangi called bullsnort
that disrupts at 4s eq for no power. Either making whisper 0p and 4s eq (like
bullsnort), or raising the power cost to 2p, or meeting in the middle and making
it a 3.25 second eq with 1p cost, would all be reasonable I think. 4s eq for 2p
is a bit much
---[Viynain on 2/21 @ 08:04 writes]:
Though I don't personally see how a stand alone skill like Whispers becomes
equivalent to the two separate skills of Lash and NightshadeBlues, I wouldn't
mind seeing it being bumped to 0p at a 4s equilibrium cost.
---[Fillin on 2/21 @ 15:50 writes]:
Ah, sorry, was talking about whispers + celerity and/or taintedlove in that
comparison, in case it wasn't clear.