118280-rollback-please

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			I won't say why, but the economy is being destroyed.  Carbine, please, turn the servers off, fix the issue (you know what it is), and rollback the servers to repair the damage done.	
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So, planning to raid tonight can we get an official response as to whats going to happen?  No details on the issue but a rollback and bans are what most people are expecting/assuming.  Just an official simple response would be appreciated.
 
Thanks!	
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			Bump.  And how far would the rollback be?	
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			They're probably still discussing on what is the best approach to the problem.	
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			I would ask to not speak directly about they issue guys!  They are well aware of the problem don't wanna make it worse.	
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At this point I think step one should be pulling the plug. Bring the servers down. Or is it too late for that already?
 
Every minute without a fix or some action, like locking housing, makes this worse.	
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			Bans? bans for what?	
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			Also interested, Please let us know you are aware of the issue and if you will be rolling it back, or going through the huge hassle of removing the plat and banning the exploiters.I want to farm modules right now, but if there is a rollback coming in, I might as well do something else.	
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We need one!  I don't want to spend anymore of my playtime for nothing if you're just going to rollback the servers.  When something like this occurs, SILENCE is NOT the best answer.
 
Warhound's economy is destroyed, Entity's will be soon.  A rollback is the only solution because we all know you don't really have the manpower / the time / the ability to unravel the mess that is the plat exploit.
 
I don't think it's fair to leave the server's up and let people play under the guise of progression when a rollback is the only viable solution.  Bring them down now, disable the exploit, and bring them up if you want, or roll them back now.
 
CRB Management, you're adding yet another miserable mistake to your list, but I don't think people will really come back from this one if something isn't done immediately.	
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Carbine is aware of the problem, lets make sure keep this thread on topic. Can we raid tonight without fear of a rollback?
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I would ask to not speak directly about they issue guys!  They are well aware of the problem don't wanna make it worse.
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Please excuse my ignorance, but was there a rollback announcement?
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			Please excuse my ignorance, but was there a rollback announcement?	
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Carbine is aware of the problem, lets make sure keep this thread on topic. Can we raid tonight without fear of a rollback?
 
If you don't know about the problem its probably best you stay that way.	
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Agreed. Take the servers down now, figure out what to do about it after.
 
 
 
 
Exploit to get plat. All I'm going to say about it.
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At this point I think step one should be pulling the plug. Bring the servers down. Or is it too late for that already?
 
Every minute without a fix or some action, like locking housing, makes this worse.
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Hey all,
 
We had a few threads all about the same thing, so since they were all relatively new I just merged them to keep everything together. I'll be sure to post any information I get.	
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			This exploit is out of the bag. Carbine knows about it. So can anyone else simply by going online to various forums. I woke up today and found out within 20 minutes of being online. And I wasn't looking for the info. So speak about it, the damage is already done. It's better to have open communication anyways to resolve issues.	
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There was not, but there is an exploit that some people are abusing that is causing damage, they need to do something quick before it is unrepairable.
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			Just take the servers down, give everyone a large announcement in game. Then figure out the best way to fix it.	
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			Why was this issue not caught in the extensive testing Carbine claimed they were performing?	
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Why was this issue not caught in the extensive testing Carbine claimed they were performing?
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			However much pain a rollback is going to bring, it's nothing compared to the mess we'd have if this is allowed to persist.	
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Bugs still happen, its nearly impossible to test every combination/permutation of something so complex.
 
"Oh if I do A B C .... X Y Z  in order then this happens..."
 
Software companies worth Billions still have similar bugs. I mean look at Microsoft/Windows.	
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Bump.  And how far would the rollback be?
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It's not exactly an easy thing to reproduce by my understanding. You have to follow a few steps that would never come up during normal play.
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			entity economy just has been destroyed too. credd price was 9p less than a hour ago, now is 29p...	
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			Roll back is in order if you do not rollback you might have just ruined the game for all.	
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entity economy just has been destroyed too. credd price was 9p less than a hour ago, now is 29p...
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How to tank your game, CRB studios style:
 
Step 1:  Make your playerbase wait 3 months on a content patch touted to have fixed hundreds of bugs, so that they could make sure the game was QA'd properly.
Step 2:  Release that same content patch with numerous bugs, including 1 economy breaking exploit
Step 3:  Do nothing, while the exploiters get richer and the economy tanks to the point of no return
Step 4:  Update Management Resumes
 
#Sabotage	
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			CREDD exploded, not sure about the rest of the economy but definitely a big problem once this starts happening.	
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How to tank your game, CRB studios style:
 
Step 1:  Make your playerbase wait 3 months on a content patch touted to have fixed hundreds of bugs, so that they could make sure the game was QA'd properly.
Step 2:  Release that same content patch with numerous bugs, including 1 economy breaking exploit
Step 3:  Do nothing, while the exploiters get richer and the economy tanks to the point of no return
Step 4:  Update Management Resumes
 
#Sabotage
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			Rollback needs to happen NOW	
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Going to say i just busted my ass in the new zone I don't want to redo all of whatever I did i.d.c, who did what ban them revert the AH/CX and traded high range plat gets removed and trashed from whomever account made those transactions.
 
idk but i don't want to waste time doing things over such as quests, idc what happen this is your fault not the communities.
 	
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			I farmed all day yesterday but I have also farmed for the last 6 months (or so) and I am ok with giving up ONE DAY so I can still enjoy the game.. if the games economy is broken there is no reason to play it.	
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			Well, at Guild Wars 2 launch there was an exploit that allowed you to cheaply purchase a single item with alternate currency and sell it for a lot of standard currency. People that exploited that bug were summarily banned the day after launch. Just saying.	
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			No need to reroll the entire game, just reverse every CX and AH transaction made in the last day or two then ban the perpetrators of the exploit.	
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You can add me to the list of people willing to sacrifice a day of progress to rectify this if that is necessary
 
However I would hope that the data is structured in a way that it can be rolled back more effectively without doing a complete server rollback.	
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Well, at Guild Wars 2 launch there was an exploit that allowed you to cheaply purchase a single item with alternate currency and sell it for a lot of standard currency. People that exploited that bug were summarily banned the day after launch. Just saying.
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No need to reroll the entire game, just reverse every CX and AH transaction made in the last day or two then bad the perpetrators of the exploit.
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And CREDD market.
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And CREDD market.
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			To be simplistic, whatever has to be done is going to be supported by the community. I think at this point people will be happy as long as the economy/CREDD are normal and the exploiters are banned and exploited plat is removed.	
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No need to reroll the entire game, just reverse every CX and AH transaction made in the last day or two then bad the perpetrators of the exploit.
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Reversing those transactions won't affect people who bought rune reroll and additions and used them to perfect their gear
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			Would there be no way of identifying the exploiters, and then only reversing AH/CX/CREDD transactions involving them? Then it's a matter of selectively rolling back character progress for the exploiters.	
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Oh well.  Gear isn't forever.  If they were really meticulous they could absolutely do it though.
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			Definitely gonna be bans for this. Not only are they cupcaking the economy, they're also cheating Carbine by essentially getting months of gametime for free by using the exploit to gobble up CREDD. What a mess.	
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Reversing those transactions won't affect people who bought rune reroll and additions and used them to perfect their gear
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No need to reroll the entire game, just reverse every CX and AH transaction made in the last day or two then bad the perpetrators of the exploit.
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Then what about all the people who did business with the exploiters, not knowing they were being paid exploit money?  If the exploiters are spending the money rather than just sitting on it (which it's clear they are, given the price of CREDD right now,) then that money is going into the economy and ending up in the possession of players who didn't do anything wrong.  Do they just leave all that money in the economy?  It'd take weeks or months to flush out, depending on how long it takes CRB to halt the momentum of this thing, and that wrecks any economic changes they want to make to stabilize the economy and make earning/spending plat more engaging and enjoyable.
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honestly i wouldnt care if it was only their gear that is being affected, but they have practically destroyed the game for credd players and this cannot go unpunished
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Well, at Guild Wars 2 launch there was an exploit that allowed you to cheaply purchase a single item with alternate currency and sell it for a lot of standard currency. People that exploited that bug were summarily banned the day after launch. Just saying.
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			The thought of a absolute rollback makes me go *GULP*, I've spent the past few days tripling the amount of items I have placed in a character's house, to have to start over from scratch ... *le sigh*  I would for the sake of the game, but I'd probably need to take a break for awhile before starting over.  Here is hoping they can selectively reset stuff.  /crosses fingers and goes back to decorating	
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			something i dont understand, why is carbine taking so much to act?, with the cocconut monkey exploit they fixed it altmost at the same hour, this one is wayy serious than it and they are taking so long...	
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Definitely gonna be bans for this. Not only are they cupcaking the economy, they're also cheating Carbine by essentially getting months of gametime for free by using the exploit to gobble up CREDD. What a mess.
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******update:  just went to reddit to find out what the exploit is. cant believe people are doing this.
 
that said, credd should go for 20p regardless- its always has been to low in market.	
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Ticon the reason for this is.... people are getting thousands of plat and ruining the game for people who actually earned their plat fair..
 
It took me a week to get 30p and I am saving up to get an ability point.. now they are going to be god knows how much plat and it is ruining the game.	
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The thought of a absolute rollback makes me go *GULP*, I've spent the past few days tripling the amount of items I have placed in a character's house, to have to start over from scratch ... *le sigh*  I would for the sake of the game, but I'd probably need to take a break for awhile before starting over.  Here is hoping they can selectively reset stuff.  /crosses fingers and goes back to decorating
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			Technically since it's exploited plat that should be removed it's cheating CREDD buyers/sellers and players, everyone is getting screwed.	
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The guilty definitely need to be punished, ofc.  Unfortunately your assertion regarding "cheating Carbine" is not correct.  Carbine's already been paid by the first person who put the CREDD up for auction.
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			Please ban them permanently, all the exploiters! I'm willing to bet very few would be against a ban wave. I'd be more pissed off if this doesn't happen.	
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Screw rollbacks.
 
Im not losing the 10 levels I got today and the progress I made on my plots.  *cupcake* that!
 
Take the plat from the people exploiting... better yet ban them and fix the problem.
 
Ill be damned if I get screwed by dirty exploiters.	
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			everyone is getting affected by the credd, first players that cannot affor to amass that amount in a month, and then carbine itself, they get money from the people that is buying the credd for resell. if the in game price is soo high, people wont buy it, then the resellers wont either; money loss for carbine	
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More like they're cheating our CREDD players.
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why are people getting upset that credd just went upto 20p?
 
heck, ive been waiting for credd togo up in price before i buy from carb and sell it ingame...
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Wait...what does a rollback entail?
 
I don't know what the exploit was but I bought a credd from the wildstar site and sold it today, would I lose the plat from that?	
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Wait...what does a rollback entail?
 
I don't know what the exploit was but I bought a credd from the wildstar site and sold it today, would I lose the plat from that?
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Wait...what does a rollback entail?
 
I don't know what the exploit was but I bought a credd from the wildstar site and sold it today, would I lose the plat from that?
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Easiest explanation: Rollback is like Windows Restore.
Set server back to point in time. If done good all rolled back.
If done bad.....yeah well. Cougar install new server.	
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As I said, you would be given back the C.R.E.D.D itself, i.e you would have to sell the C.R.E.D.D back again.
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But I paid real money for the credd? Would it be lost? That can't be right surely.
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But I paid real money for the credd? Would it be lost? That can't be right surely.
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			But I paid real money for the credd? Would it be lost? That can't be right surely.	
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			what is the exploit even? O_O	
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what is the exploit even? O_O
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Oh ok I understand now. Mini panic over!
 
Thanks guys :D
 
(I only sold it for 17 plat anyway :) )	
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what is the exploit even? O_O
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But I paid real money for the credd? Would it be lost? That can't be right surely.
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Oh ok I understand now. Mini panic over!
 
Thanks guys :D
 
(I only sold it for 17 plat anyway :) )
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			From what it sounds like, you can't really do it by accident either.	
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			yeah you can i did. and then i realised this was the exploit everyone was talking about and logged out the game	
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From what it sounds like, you can't really do it by accident either.
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I'm fairly sure I haven't done this accidentally.
 
I would have noticed if my money had started going up. That only happens when I sell a credd.
 
The one time being a spendaholic has paid off :D	
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The longer the servers are up, the more upset players are going to be for losing progression. When a bear stares at you in the eye with every intent to claw your face in, the last thing you want to do is stand still and twiddle your thumbs.
 
Pull the plug already.	
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			If you did this exploit knowingly shame on you for screwing up the servers for everyone else.  Hope you all get ban hammered hard.	
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			Well their Database people are sure gonna be busy identifying those who have abused this and then working out if it's possible to return the items to the owners and the CREDD etc and then get the money back out of the economy!	
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			Personally hope they're already banning people and setting out a plan to rollback things logically, as long as exploiters are banned quickly it's not like a server shutdown is needed till the hotfix time considering the damage is already done. I think people would mainly just like to know what's the plan here and if they're wasting time or not.	
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yeah you can i did. and then i realised this was the exploit everyone was talking about and logged out the game
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Personally hope they're already banning people and setting out a plan to rollback things logically, as long as exploiters are banned quickly it's not like a server shutdown is needed till the hotfix time considering the damage is already done. I think people would mainly just like to know what's the plan here and if they're wasting time or not.
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A rollback is typically the last resort.  Until they make that decision, they wont be likely to give us any information as it would be similar to an open investigation with the authorities.  The moment they let the exploiters glimpse their hand, they would begin countermeasures to try to avoid a ban.
 
Yes, the sooner they handle this the better, but not at the expense of a sensible solution.  I would agree that at this rate, it might be best to take down the servers.  An exploit that affects the economy is a massive messy web as the in game currency is distributed VERY quickly to legitimate players.	
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From what it sounds like, you can't really do it by accident either.
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Hey Folks - 
 
We have an answer for everyone on this issue. I'm going to now lock this thread and redirect you to this one in order to facilitate further feedback.
 
Thanks!	
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			Honestly, now I'm just curious what crazy steps had to be figured out to do this.	
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