Report 518

Report #518
Skillset: Aeonics Skill: Timewarp
 Org: Cantors Status: Rejected Dec 2010
Furies' Decision:
We do not find this to be necessary.
Problem: Timewarp, due to being cured by horehound, is not cured within octave
which is the staple of bard offense. This makes it extremely difficult for any
bard to fight against those of the Sentinels and Institute since we have to do
so without octave. And in the even Hallifax ever gets bards it will increase the
problem ten fold
Solution #1: Switch timewarp to a pennyroyal cure
Solution #2: Allow timewarp to be cured in octave
Player Comments:
---[Raeri on 12/6 @ 09:22 writes]:
Of these, the simpler solution is probably to change the cure. Solution 1 -
unless a different herb/purgative/etc is decided upon.
---[Prav on 12/6 @ 18:16 writes]:
I'm not a fan of Solution 1 because it removes our ability to stick reckless and
bedevil. Since horehound (tends to) cure timewarp before curing anything else,
it helps us keep these two afflictions on people so long as we can keep them
timewarped. Also, pennyroyal makes timewarp too much like temporary insanity.
Solution 2 isn't ideal to me, it just seems a bit... clumsy and inelegant. Not
averse to or opposed to changing how this works, but I'm not entirely sold on
either of the proposed solutions.
---[Prav on 12/8 @ 02:53 writes]:
Also, you can still focus mind to cure timewarp in octave, so I'm not sure how
big a deal this really is, considering focusing cures 2 "levels" of timewarp
whereas eating horehound only cures 1 "level". That is to say, focusing cures
twice as much timewarp as eating horehound does, not that focusing will take you
from major timewarp to minor.
---[Nydekion on 12/12 @ 12:13 writes]:
I do agree that timewarp should have a different herb cure, however, pennyroyal
would be very awkward in the situation where a paradigmatics and aeonics user
teamed up, causing more problems than it fixes. Perhaps consider something like
kombu?
---[Prav on 12/12 @ 19:16 writes]:
Kombu would not have nearly as much synergy with Researcher skills as horehound.
Because timewarp (tends to) cure before other afflictions, Researchers rely on
stacking timewarp to stick things like bedevil, recklessness and healthleeth.
Kombu would allow us to stick epilepsy, but that does not work towards our
strategies as well as healthleech and recklessness. The only other cure on herb
balance that would contribute towards our strategies in a way comparable to the
way "eat horehound" does would be "smoke coltsfoot" since it would allow us to
stick impatience, anorexia and masochism until timewarp is cured.
---[Geb on 12/12 @ 23:13 writes]:
You could always remain deaf when dealing with researchers. You would then be
able to eat horehound to your hearts content. Just like every other class that
has to refrain from using some abilities against others (example a warrior
probably should not surge against a mana-kill users or an aeonics users should
not aeonfield on average against a decent telepath or mana-kill class), bards
will have to go deaf and not benefit from some of their beneficial songs while
fighting researchers.
---[Senna on 12/13 @ 02:19 writes]:
I think the main issue here is the advantage an Institute will get in the event
they team up with a bard (or if Hallifax gets bards). When you have a bard who
can sit there, octave, and then just blanknote someone whenever they eat
earwort, the Researcher is free to stack timewarp (keeping in mind that focus
mind will not always hit timewarp when it's used) at a much faster rate than
normal.
---[Geb on 12/13 @ 05:07 writes]:
Focus mind always hits timewarp/temp insanity first, unless they changed
something very recently.
---[Prav on 12/13 @ 06:55 writes]:
In reponse to Senna: As Geb said, focus mind will always cure timewarp first. In
addition to that, you can keep up with timewarp 100% using only focus mind. Not
only that, but you can cure all timewarp given using only focus mind -and- still
be able to focus mind 1 affliction every two timewarps (assuming they are
spamming "timechant timewarp", which gives the most timewarp, other than
shatterplex and discharge).
---[Talan on 12/17 @ 04:57 writes]:
The point about simply keeping truehearing up yourself is more valid than most
of the arguments I've heard against this, though I feel like it is asking a bit
much of bards. We're built to hear our songs, and sacrifice both offence and
defence when we don't. I'd still strongly support a different cure method for
timewarp, and I think it is fine to take researcher opinion into what that
should be. If the general tactic involves stacking up same-cure afflictions,
that is fine, go with smoke coltsfoot, but stacking it with an effect like
octave is too much in general, not only now, for bards themselves, but as Senna
mentions, for everyone, when Halli gets bards.
---[Geb on 12/17 @ 06:53 writes]:
Coltsfoot is also the cure for anorexia. What you are requesting is timewarp be
made to not only hinder curing of anorexia via focus mind, which it does now,
but also via smoking coltsfoot. Your solution is far worse that the problem as
it is now. Your solution would essentially give Researchers a means of hindering
anorexia and thus also hindering their opponents cure of Aeon.