148476-remove-rewards-from-pvp-asap

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Hi Carbinoreno,
if you ain't gonna fix bot issues during holidays can you at least temporary remove gold rewards from finishing a match and prestige from killing players? Or, like, disable Walatiki?
 
You aren't going to fix bot issues any time soon, we all know that because there are like 10 ppl left at Carbine and it's just normal you will spend time with your families. Bots however are still plagueing BGs everyday and players are abusing it by forming premades for easy ca$h and prestige (mostly PvE players!).
 
Well, considering how you've been handling PvP since launch you might even consider getting rid of PvP althgether.	
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 you might even consider getting rid of PvP althgether.
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At this point I really hope they do. PvPers have done next to nothing except ruin the mood since launch, and its harshing my mellow.
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At this point I really hope they do. PvPers have done next to nothing except ruin the mood since launch, and its harshing my mellow.
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At this point I really hope they do. PvPers have done next to nothing except ruin the mood since launch, and its harshing my mellow.
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I'm not sure how removing rewards from PvP is going to fix much of anything. It's just going to make the experience even more miserable for the few people who still do PvP.
And most of the WS PvP players I've interacted with are just as great people as the PvE only players, they add just as much to the community save for the bad apples that you can find on either side of the fence.
 
If anything I'd say a more sensible solution would be requiring a certain threshold of participation in the match to qualify for a reward. Like, say, some required number of damage done during the match. I don't PvP often but when I did the bots didn't do much more than running on rails so the required number could well be low enough that every, well okay, most human players can get their rewards no matter how terrible they are at the game while bots get nothing, unless they suddenly get a whole lot better.
As for removing Walatiki, last time I did BGs I could just do that myself by not queueing for it.
 
I'll agree that PvP has been handled terrible so far, and I don't see that changing anytime soon, but asking for straight up removal of the game mode because of bots is overkill. You might as well just disable all trading to combat bots.
Sure it's a fix of sorts but when the solution is worse than the problem it hardly qualifies as a solution.	
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			I personally only see large numbers of bots in the super lowbie brackets. Otherwise it's really just arena and warplots that suffer population wise and that imo is largely due to the lack of incentive to even play it other then that environment/play style. Battlegrounds are doing fine they have a lot of room for improvement though a lot of room..... 	
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I'm not sure how removing rewards from PvP is going to fix much of anything. It's just going to make the experience even more miserable for the few people who still do PvP.
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I'm not talking of a permanent removal of gold rewards from PvP, just as a temporary measure while they work on a better fix.[...]
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			Staff? I thought Carbine fired all the Devs, and reassigned the janitor to develop part-time.	
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Carbine fixing PvP. LEL
 
Good joke.	
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Lol seriously?
 
Wow... and they wonder why people who pvp sometimes get rude when they hear this crap the whole time.
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The PvP 'community' has had numerous chances to be an overall positive to the community despite Carbine's mistakes. The complaint threads all over the forums and ingame start almost immediately after any change or problem arises, and the defections begin shortly afterward. If the majority of PvPers acted like they were interested and invested in the community, I'd happily continue to support them. I guess this thread was just one too many, and became a sour note for my Christmas morning. Instead of dealing with their problems in a positive way, they complain then ditch.
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How are we meant to beat the bots "using the available social tools"? Regardless of whether you queue as a premade or a solo, you get bots at max level, levelling up, everywhere. This isn't something that can be fixed by the community and you know it.
Most of the niggling complaints about pvp has been by pve'ers... The pvp community has ALWAYS had great people who did a lot for wildstar, I can name loads of people who have been and gone who made great posts and feedback to the devs (as well as huge rants a la Eclips, but the guy had his finger on the pulse at all time regarding pvp), as well as being invested and interested in the wider community. Just the sheer amount of guides that are out there for pvp by so many different authors as well as threads, circles, guilds just to help people out, just shows that
 
And how were we before meant to fix the rating floor and make necessary balancing to fix the retention issue for pvp? These aren't problems that can be fixed by the community, trust me if there was an addon that could fix the sorry state pvp is in or bots don't you think SOMEONE would have made it already? (Yes, they would have done, I would have learnt myself just to attempt to fix it if it was possible)
There is NO WAY to fix pvp unless the developers fix it. We cannot advertise their game for them. We cannot fix their bad reputation. We cannot make an addon to fill the pvp servers. The pvp could have kept a steady stream of people incoming, meaning more potential raiders. People are always looking for cheap pvp thrills, that was proven by the absolute packed pvp servers both at launch and f2p launch.
 
So many people who pvp have been a positive impact on this community, there are still people there trying to promote it(why, I don't know why anymore). I have no idea why people are so rude about the pvp community when the majority of whining posts on this bloody general discussion forums are pve'ers blasting each other for "vets have killed the game, we need more casual stuff, wah wah wah raid content too long, wah wah wah casuals trying to kill game with lfr wah vets wah". As soon as a pvp post reaches general discussion we're apparently "Defecating", but the thing is... go into the pvp subforum and go and read some of the threads. The people being toxic, rude idiots are people who mainly pve or tryhard kids who get ignored and shunned by the actual pvp'ers. There is SO MUCH good feedback there. 
 
I'm sorry, but I think we have something to moan about. People in housing, pve, raiding... you all have things to look forward to that carbine have in development. 
Right now we have bots and dead servers and MAYBE a new battleground in like... 9 months. I can't even put a raid team together on my server, and my guild has died. I have nothing in this game right now that makes me want to log in.
 
I'm pretty sure no matter how much we "built social networks" (which by the way, on luminai dom alone there were about 5 FULL pvp circles as well as 5+ big guilds) they all died because CARBINE did not fix something as simple as a freaking SCOREBOARD or the RATING FLOOR (which is gamebreaking for any pvp'er) for 6 weeks. The pvp was not WORTH playing, so people stopped playing. (They could have just reverted the fix back to the old style whilst they worked out the kinks...) No matter how many social networks you have, nothing can fix a development problem.
 
I've always been a massive fan of carbine. Now I'm only a massive fan of Timetravel. Carbine have completely ruined pvp or any chance of making this game popular to pvp types single handedly. And thing is, what you guys don't realise, is how much pvpers actually bring to the game, how many people actually would raid, spend money etc...
 
I'm sorry for the rant, but using Christmas as an excuse just riled me up. It's my christmas too, and being called a horrible person just because of the mode of gameplay I choose is just stupid.
 
/endrant	
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I'll note I'm responding to a ridiculous complaint posted at a point in time when the OP knows no one is in the office, not starting a topic to complain about PvPers. If you want to have a chicken and the egg argument about who gives crap first, that's fine but ultimately pointless. In this case I'm expressing my annoyance at someone being needlessly dramatic.
 
The PvP 'community' has had numerous chances to be an overall positive to the community despite Carbine's mistakes. The complaint threads all over the forums and ingame start almost immediately after any change or problem arises, and the defections begin shortly afterward. If the majority of PvPers acted like they were interested and invested in the community, I'd happily continue to support them. I guess this thread was just one too many, and became a sour note for my Christmas morning. Instead of dealing with their problems in a positive way, they complain then ditch, just like before. So when I see the suspicions I was willing to suspend for the sake of harmony get confirmed, I lose respect, even when it comes to people who have made an honest effort like you Sylqt.
 
For example when a problem arises in the Housing community, players work together to help each other. They support people who get frustrated, they share resources and ideas. If bug is too frustrating to deal with someone clever like Katia makes an addon to deal with it until Carbine can implement a fix. There's a reason people say its the best part of the game, and only half of it has to do with the nuts and bolts of the housing system. People could have been seriously pissed that Neighborhoods got delayed, or other things haven't been changed, and yes some people do, but overall they make the best of what they have and still have fun.
 
PvPers can BMW all they like, but they have available social tools to minimize the annoyance of the bot problem. If more effort had been put into building those social networks and maintaining them even when some people left, the investment would have paid off with less bot problems, less people leaving, and more matches and fun despite Carbine's mistakes.
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Lemurian you probably don't have a grasp at how bad the bot issue is at the moment. Which is fine, I don't play all aspects of the game myself.
But what if you couldn't build a single item in your housing plot? Or if you couldn't do any dungeon or raid?
Worse, what if full geared pvp players were making their own raid groups and exploit a bug in order to get BiS (pve) items and farm gold, costumes, mounts? 
Because in the past days I've been unable to play even 1 battleground in which 80% of the players weren't bots, I talk about level cap matches not low lev pvp. On top of that you see PvE players forming groups in order to farm easy gold and amps. Take a look:
http://imgur.com/XwPvbhU
Is there a "positive way" to deal with this? At this point you are litterally unable to play battlegrounds, let alone enjoy them. They are like quests in the open world but these pvp-npcs hardly strike you back or move.
 
Also I don't know of which "pvp community" you're talking about since the chore pvp community has never had more than 10 ppl writing on these forums. Neither I know of which complaints you're talking about as they barely made it to the General Discussion forum. Those that had are mainly about general issues and the threads are made by casual players who play a bit of everything. There is no pvp community and there has never been one, what we had was few dedicated players who acted no different than the rest of WS community (e.g. wrote guides, organized events for doing arenas, made circles for helping each other).
3v3 arena - the only competitive pvp enviroment - barely pops unless players schedule times and days on the  forum, so we can really argue about the existence of a community.
 
The bot issue has never been this bad and I think it's just natural for ppl to complain, we've had bad luck it stroke right before holidays but the whole Carbine is all on vacation players are still playing, thus complaining about bugs and issues. This topic is about PvP, another one is about deleted items and so forth.	
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I find it kind of odd that the EU servers are plagued with this level 50 bot problem and not the US ones. Wonder what that's about.
 
That said, giving them the boot should be prio #1 for Carbine, and hope that it will have a fix soon. I remember way back a year ago when the bots were around and it wasn't quite as game-breaking as they aim to be now, mostly annoying as shit. But we also had a way larger population as a buffer.
 
Heart's out to you EU folks and just PvP players in general.	
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I'll note I'm responding to a ridiculous complaint posted at a point in time when the OP knows no one is in the office, not starting a topic to complain about PvPers. If you want to have a chicken and the egg argument about who gives crap first, that's fine but ultimately pointless. In this case I'm expressing my annoyance at someone being needlessly dramatic.
 
The PvP 'community' has had numerous chances to be an overall positive to the community despite Carbine's mistakes. The complaint threads all over the forums and ingame start almost immediately after any change or problem arises, and the defections begin shortly afterward. If the majority of PvPers acted like they were interested and invested in the community, I'd happily continue to support them. I guess this thread was just one too many, and became a sour note for my Christmas morning. Instead of dealing with their problems in a positive way, they complain then ditch, just like before. So when I see the suspicions I was willing to suspend for the sake of harmony get confirmed, I lose respect, even when it comes to people who have made an honest effort like you Sylqt.
 
For example when a problem arises in the Housing community, players work together to help each other. They support people who get frustrated, they share resources and ideas. If  bug is too frustrating to deal with someone clever like Katia makes an addon to deal with it until Carbine can implement a fix. There's a reason people say its the best part of the game, and only half of it has to do with the nuts and bolts of the housing system. People could have been seriously pissed that Neighborhoods got delayed, or other things haven't been changed, and yes some people do, but overall they make the best of what they have and still have fun.
 
PvPers can BMW all they like, but they have available social tools to minimize the annoyance of the bot problem. If more effort had been put into building those social networks and maintaining them even when some people left, the investment would have paid off with less bot problems, less people leaving, and more matches and fun despite Carbine's mistakes.
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The PvP 'community' has had numerous chances to be an overall positive to the community despite Carbine's mistakes. The complaint threads all over the forums and ingame start almost immediately after any change or problem arises, and the defections begin shortly afterward. If the majority of PvPers acted like they were interested and invested in the community, I'd happily continue to support them. I guess this thread was just one too many, and became a sour note for my Christmas morning. Instead of dealing with their problems in a positive way, they complain then ditch, just like before. So when I see the suspicions I was willing to suspend for the sake of harmony get confirmed, I lose respect, even when it comes to people who have made an honest effort like you Sylqt.
 
PvPers can BMW all they like, but they have available social tools to minimize the annoyance of the bot problem. If more effort had been put into building those social networks and maintaining them even when some people left, the investment would have paid off with less bot problems, less people leaving, and more matches and fun despite Carbine's mistakes.
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At this point I really hope they do. PvPers have done next to nothing except ruin the mood since launch, and its harshing my mellow.
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like i said in another topic they could have you earn medals similar to those from pve stuff in order to gain access to rewards from pvp. like doing certain amounts of damage/healing to other players, doing or helping out with objectives,
so if you manage to get a gold medal you get the full reward and for the others you get less. have the money be rewarded for gold medalists only or something like that. and maybe have it so that you can chose which ones to do so people dont feel forced into doing every type that can earn you medals but pick the ones they prefer. example damage done 25k bronze 50k silver and 100k gold.. etc	
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9 out of 10 pvp players don't care about the community they are only there to boost their own ego which is why pvp in ANY game has social issues
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I love how people blame the pvp players instead of the people who made/perpetuated the problem in the first place. Carbine are letting bots run rampant at all levels on EU. Pvp is almost unplayable...
 
Go read the other subforums, especially pve threads, and watch the poo slinging... then tell me how horrible pvp players are. Ya'll should take a good look in the mirror sometime. It's human nature that some people are turds.	
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Hi all,
 
We are aware of the situation with botting in PvP and are making efforts to curb it. Please be sure to continue to report players that you see botting. At this point in time we don't have any plans to remove PvP rewards but thank you for the suggestion.
 
Thanks for your patience,
 
-Team WildStar	
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The bots will never go away.
 
I mean Blizzard can't do it. What makes people think Carbine can? It took them weeks to fix the Arena rating floor issue. There are lingering bugs in game that have existed since original launch. Some bugs that were "fixed" months after original launch have come back. Prevent bots all together? Fat chance.
 
It'll be ban waves after ban waves. Enough with these threads.	
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