Report 329

Report #329
Skillset: Ninjakari Skill: Ninshi
 Org: Ninjakari Status: Rejected Feb 2010
Furies' Decision:
We do not find this to be necessary.
Problem: The problem here is that Acrobatics Contortion is disabling Ninjakari
Ninshi. Ninshi is a main aspect of Ninjakari offense. Possessing Contortion
should allow you to writhe quickly out of webs, shackles, and similar
afflictions, but it should not render a player immune to a whole aspect of a
class' offense. Contortion also disables all other weapon and unarmed grapples,
so not only does it affect Ninjakari; it affects all monk guilds.
Solution #1: Increase the time it takes to writhe out of weapon and unarmed
 grapples.
Solution #2: None.
Solution #3: None.
Player Comments:
---[Yukio on 2/23 @ 07:59 writes]:
I suggest modifying the writhe time so that weapon grapples alone won't bypass
contortion, but weapon grapples modified with speed will.
---[Yukio on 2/23 @ 08:06 writes]:
Edit: I believe this change should be made for all forms of grapples. Weapon and
unarmed grapples alike.
---[Yukio on 2/23 @ 08:34 writes]:
Sorry for triple commenting. To summarize my thoughts: I suggest modifying the
writhing time of weapon and unarmed grapples, to allow grapples to beat
contortion if the grapple is modified with speed. Contortion should beat the
grapple if it isn't modified with speed. If a grapple is modified with speed,
but contortion is stacked with other writhing buffs (Shadowbeat Spiderlegs), the
contortion should beat the grapples.
---[Lehki on 2/25 @ 18:12 writes]:
So would this also affect how long it takes somebody without contort to escape
from any grapple? Wouldn't really matter in the case of trying to writhe out
before monk uses a grapple finisher, but with an extra long writhe time, lowbie
hold spamming could be better form of web spamming in groups, perhaps?
---[Yukio on 2/26 @ 08:46 writes]:
Perma-holding can currently be achieved with a simple trigger (or quick reflex)
as general writhers cannot writhe out of a grapple quick enough, though I can
vaguely see how an extra long writhe time for them may cause problems. I assume
that contort and writhe are different formula, so modifying the contort's writhe
time should not affect regular writhing. I suppose a report on Contort would
have been better form.
---[Xenthos on 2/28 @ 22:27 writes]:
You want to increase the base time to writhe out of things because of contort (a
skill that is limited to just Acrobats)? I agree with your last comment that a
report on contort would be better form, heh. Base writhe time does not need to
be adjusted, and your comments (and even your solution) keep discussing writhing
itself. Which is, as you say, a completely different skill from contort. I
guess what I'm saying is that this report confuses the heck out of me. Are you
discussing writhe or contort?