148065-legend-of-the-blue-horizon-separate-purchase-option-please

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			It's an amazing new piece of music which most people will never get to experience because you've locked it behind RNG. Please let us purchase it separately.	
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Hell I'd even just buy it as a FLAC/MP3...
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	Edited December 11, 2015 by Typrop	
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			Holy chua-balls that is AWESOME!  I can't think of a single plot I'd put it on, but DAMN I want it!!!	
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			Is there somewhere to HEAR it?  Again, not being able to preview music before you crate it is a SERIOUS flaw in this game.	
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Is there somewhere to HEAR it?  Again, not being able to preview music before you crate it is a SERIOUS flaw in this game.
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			I'd use the heck out of the first movement if it was available separately from the variations on Into the Unknown and the Drusera theme.  The whole thing is brilliant, but each movement has a different style, and the first one is the one I'd want on a plot.	
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I can easily vouch for 50+ players in Exile Entity housing stating they'd buy this if it wasn't attached to RNG.
 
Source: Being in housing area chats for a few hours yesterday.
 
EDIT:
Still a crazy strong sentiment and people saying 'make it seperate Carbine and you can shut up and take our money'.
The count is over 300+ players in housing /zone chat over the past few days (I went through my chat logs).
This is just in housing /zone (the most passionate people wanting the track) and doesn't count all the players out in the world actively playing the 'real' game.
I asked about price and prices ranged from $5 to $10 to 'make it free while I'm subbed or a $10 perma unlock'.
I feel it would be an interesting thing for subscribers to 'unlock all the (non-exclusive) housing things' while they remain subscribed without having to pay the gold/renown cost first.
			
				
	Edited December 12, 2015 by FantasticCupcake	
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			I wasn't sure if I'd be allowed to post the link, since it's unlisted, but...it's so damn sweet!	
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Yeah this needs to be purchasable. 
 
Friends at Carbine: If you sell us stuff we want we will buy it, hide it behind RNG boxes and, a lot of us won't even bother.
 
So make some $$$ and just sell it! RNG Boxes are for the birds.	
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			I know I keep saying it, but the shop needs more stuff. Here's something you can put in the shop and make money from indefinitely. 	
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			Gamble boxes are such an EA move.	
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Thanks for your feedback everyone. We'll keep this in mind.
 
Thank you,
 
-Team WildStar	
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Welcome to F2P, where cool things get stuck behind obscured RNG so that you can't tell what the odds actually are.
 	
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			Construct as well. Both of those pieces are incredible.	
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			That soundtrack sounds absolutely amazing! I really don't want to bother with RNG so if i could make a purchase for just this that would be a m a z i n g  :wub:	
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I wasn't sure if I'd be allowed to post the link, since it's unlisted, but...it's so damn sweet!
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			I stopped buying those boxes because I realized it wasn't worth it for the music. :/  I feel a lot of regret from buying RNG boxes... I know mmo's make a lot of money from them, but it's not a fun experience for me. I'd rather just pay for what I want.
			
				
	Edited December 12, 2015 by Debrained	
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Be good if they did what they said.  Its still tech shuttle in the store, and not the racer.
 
 
Initially on sale from December 11 through December 12, they contain one of the following random housing items:	One piece from the Racer décor set
One character from the Space Cadet NPC décor set
A Slim Exile Fighter ship replica
Housing Music Remodel: The Legend of the Blue Horizon*	
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Hi all!! Thank you for the awesome support in this thread! I have been reading kind words about The Legend of the Blue Horizon and The Construct... and I'm thrilled to know the fans are liking the new music!
 
I know there are a lot of opinions on how the rewards are set up, but I just wanted to pop in and say THANK YOU for checking out the tracks and for posting awesome feedback on the music. Much appreciated!!
 
-jeff	
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			Thank you Jeff, your work is truly incredible!
			
				
	Edited December 12, 2015 by Bathory Bane	
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			Thank YOU for your amazing contributions to this game, Jeff! You make me wish I could move across the country just so I could try and get in to perform with your orchestra. xD Every piece just sounds so fun to play.	
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Carbine is losing tens of thousands of dollars each day by not giving their consumers what they want.
I wonder what's going on over there at NcSoft O_o	
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Carbine is losing tens of thousands of dollars each day by not giving their consumers what they want.
I wonder what's going on over there at NcSoft O_o
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Thanks for your feedback everyone. We'll keep this in mind.
 
Thank you,
 
-Team WildStar
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			If I could just buy The Construct for my house I would. I spent as much on tech shuttle cases yesterday as I can justify (about as much as I would have spent just to get the music, since the music was all I was after) and, of course, didn't get it. So, I'm just not going to get it. 	
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			It's also near Christmas time and not everybody has the extra money during this time of the year to throw endlessly at the screen in hopes of getting that one RNG-limited-time gated item. 	
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Players complain bitterly about for-cash RNG luckyboxes at the same time that they go out and buy 50 of them.
Then they wonder why more of them show up.
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As a general statement, I'm a little surprised at how few things have simply been added to the cash shop for straight-up purchase without gimmicks or limited time events. 
 
-snip-
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All three new pieces sound great, another fine job on the music there. A passage in the Smooth song sounds very much alike a song in Turrican (or was it Turrican II), a really old game that I played the hell out of. At least I think it is that game, could be wrong.
 
Being able to buy the music separately would be very appreciated.	
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I would also like to have the music available with the eko chits. I was trying to buy the ten crates in hopes of getting the music but I purchased the wrong crate. I got the overflowing crate of eko chits and now im stuck with a ton of chits and no music. Why cant we please buy this music with chits??? Ack :(
Its such great music...why not let us use it? It is christmas after all.... :)	
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			I spent 20 dollars, no sign of the sound track. :( I can't afford to keep gambling. Please give it as an option.	
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"I spent money and now have gambler's remorse".
I see this a lot in this thread.  Throwing money at RNG in the first place is why this was done and why it will continue to reappear.  So the rest of the community that dislikes RNG completely is REALLY oh so happy with those of you that did so.  We so totally are :P
 
If you did NOT spend money on the RNG stuff then you have the right to complain.
You lose your right to complain once you've spent the money on a non-refundable RNG-box purchase.  That's just ProtoStar capitalism at work.
 
Update Jan 10th 2016:
And just as I've predicted, the RNG boxes are back with even more exclusives & more housing music.  I hope those that supported the RNG boxes realize the chimera they've unleashed upon the rest of the playerbase.  Now everyone will continue to suffer from the RNG boxes and cash-shop-bait events until the players decide to vote with their wallets otherwise.  I have slim hopes of that happening.  The accountants don't care about buyer's remorse, only the raw numbers of sales/profit they are making.
			
				
	Edited January 10, 2016 by FantasticCupcake	
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Hi all!! Thank you for the awesome support in this thread! I have been reading kind words about The Legend of the Blue Horizon and The Construct... and I'm thrilled to know the fans are liking the new music!
 
I know there are a lot of opinions on how the rewards are set up, but I just wanted to pop in and say THANK YOU for checking out the tracks and for posting awesome feedback on the music. Much appreciated!!
 
-jeff
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"I spent money and now have gambler's remorse".
I see this a lot in this thread.  Throwing money at RNG in the first place is why this was done and why it will continue to reappear.  So the rest of the community that dislikes RNG completely is REALLY oh so happy with those of you that did so.  We so totally are :P
 
If you did NOT spend money on the RNG stuff then you have the right to complain.
You lose your right to complain once you've spent the money on a non-refundable RNG-box purchase.  That's just ProtoStar capitalism at work.
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some people would rather throw money at the RNG in the hopes of NOT missing the opportunity to have very rare or once-in-a-lifetime items.
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But for me?  This RNG burned me out on random boxes.  I will be reserving my NCoins and Omnibits for things that I can see (and hear) BEFORE I purchase them.
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Housing music needs an overhaul really. I know that the serious housing enthusiast is pretty obsessive about having the right things for their plot (including music) so locking songs behind an rng paywall is pretty despicable really.
 
Just put musicboxes on the cash shop (tradable item) and empty music boxes (capture a song by playing in a certain area). That would fix it.	
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Housing music needs an overhaul really. I know that the serious housing enthusiast is pretty obsessive about having the right things for their plot (including music) so locking songs behind an rng paywall is pretty despicable really.
 
Just put musicboxes on the cash shop (tradable item) and empty music boxes (capture a song by playing in a certain area). That would fix it.
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			I bought a few boxes for this music alone. All I got was decor I got from running the event. Feedback: I won't buy RNG boxes again	
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			This piece is amazing ...gave me goosebumps. Only other song that did that was Cirilla's Battle Theme in the Witcher 3. Good job Jeff.	
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Thanks for your feedback everyone. We'll keep this in mind.
 
Thank you,
 
-Team WildStar
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Considering the number of people that actually waste their money trying to win the RNG gamble puts us further away from ever seeing things like these music pieces as separate purchases. 
 
Not sure how many actually got what they were trying to pay for, but I don't think this was a success for buyers, gambling never is.
 
We'll never see exclusive items such as these available as a fair purchase if the RNG alternative remains profitable, because no one will risk finding out whether offering the items straight to the store would earn more. Which it very likely would, but who knows at this point as they've already turned a profit on what was offered, so we can expect more of the same.
 
 
Continue supporting shady business practices and forget ever seeing such items available as anything other than a low chance gambling prize. 
 
 
Carbine, please reconsider and go for the path that makes both you and the players winners. People will gladly pay for this, and be happy they did so because they spent money on an item they really wanted and get to enjoy it. Now you've got a lot of disappointed customers who didn't get what they wanted and have buyers remorse. This is not good for either you or us. You want people to be glad to give you money, and continue to do so again and again. People regretting having purchased stuff from the store is bad.
 
Please let us buy stuff that we want to buy and we will keep throwing money your way. Offer us more things to buy and we'll buy more things. Please don't resort to RNG tactics, they're unnecessary and insulting.
 
Still waiting patiently to purchase The Legend of the Blue Horizon....	
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Heh. Yeah, I don't like gamble boxes at all. I still bought four of them in the hopes of getting lucky.I did NOT get lucky, and while I do not regret my feeble attempt to hit the jackpot, it did cement my dedication to not waste any more of my hard-earned money on this kind of gimmick again.
 
As I said when every mount and pet was single-unlock, I won't spend money until it's changed. I did not. They changed it, and thus, I stayed true to my word and made a purchase.
 
So, once again, until I can buy the unlocks I want (music, decor, etc.) either directly via the cash shop, or indirectly via farming event content, I simply will not give them any more money.
 
I hate hate HATE being like this, but it's like Crabino feels compelled to try every rotten trick of the trade just to see if it'll stick or if anyone will care.
 
Just put things on the damn cash shop and stop freaking robbing us at every opportunity. Jeff's music is AMAZING. His fan base LOVES HIS WORK. We WANT TO PAY FOR IT!
 
But not like this. Not even close to like this.	
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As I said when every mount and pet was single-unlock, I won't spend money until it's changed. I did not. They changed it, and thus, I stayed true to my word and made a purchase.
 
So, once again, until I can buy the unlocks I want (music, decor, etc.) either directly via the cash shop, or indirectly via farming event content, I simply will not give them any more money.
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			Provided each item has an equal chance of being in the box, you've got a 1/28 chance of getting the music.  I wouldn't take those odds even if the space cadets were smartly dressed and animated.	
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You already gave them money, though. That's the message they will receive. They'd have gotten a different one if you hadn't bought any at all.
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			Not yours alone, but the combined sum of everyone who spent a little and is now saying they won't spend any more... marketing psychology suggests that once you've spent the money once, good portion of them actually will spend it again. Just in case things are different. And NCSoft is cruel like that.	
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Not yours alone, but the combined sum of everyone who spent a little and is now saying they won't spend any more... marketing psychology suggests that once you've spent the money once, good portion of them actually will spend it again. Just in case things are different. And NCSoft is cruel like that.
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 the npc's not being animated.. seriously carbine this is a total display of laziness.. hell you could have used the same animations as the guards and we would have been happy with that.. who ever is making these choices is hurting the game more than helping it. Maybe some fresh talent is needed for the survival of this game in the long term. It baffles me that some think that just because they make a decision that it must be gold when basic common sense is missing from the equation. As far as music goes it doesn't do a whole lot for the efforts of the composer when just a handful can appreciate it so it was in bad taste to make the song as rare as it is. If the music industry valued this there wouldn't be a whole lot out there to listen to.
 
 Sorry if I sound like an arse about this but.. damn.. you guys come out with a really great idea only to have something simple mess it up a bit. I dont expect things to be perfect but at least keep it in the ball park.
			
				
	Edited December 15, 2015 by Rebel Angel	
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Im not even going to get into the whole gamble box thing again, needless to say ive made my opinion known about them and I wont ever spend any money on such an item.
 
I do hope they take the feedback given just like the mount feedback and start offering the items contained within these boxes as just a flat out buy. I will pass on every and any rng box that hits the store.
			
				
	Edited December 15, 2015 by Scarran	
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Just put things on the damn cash shop and stop freaking robbing us at every opportunity. Jeff's music is AMAZING. His fan base LOVES HIS WORK. We WANT TO PAY FOR IT!
 
But not like this. Not even close to like this.
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Know what, while we're at it, I demand not only Space Chase but more of Jeff's tracks be available for purchase for our housing plots! For instance I absolutely must have Bandits, Thieves, and Epic Loot for my pirate plot. <.< 
 
Carbine, please?	
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And again, many people bought Flaming War Pigs and zBoards as single-toon unlocks. They came to the forums and gave their feedback, after the facts and LO AND BEHOLD, Crabine heard the feedback and made adjustments.
 
Again, I am well aware of your distaste for the business model and don't really expect you to agree with anything said about it.
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I think gamble boxes were inevitable when Wildstar went F2P. After all, Madame Faye is basically just a fancied up version of them.  Sadly, it's a model that works, so I doubt this is the last we see of them regardless of how people feel.
 
However, I do think our feedback might at least change what sorts of items get put in these boxes.  In my opinion, housing tracks should just not be a part of these - at least not exclusively or with a time-limit.  Implementing housing tracks in the game in a way that makes them accessible to only a handful of lucky people in a very small window is just an incredible waste of Jeff's amazing music.
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I agree with this topic. The songs are awesome and I actually broke my no gambling-boxes rule (I feel dirty now) and I didn't get any of the good songs.
 
After getting the boxes and really feeling the shame I felt really sad over how quickly Carbine went with EA-style cash grabs :/	
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Since this trend is continuing with the upcoming RNG-Chase-Box-EventBROUGHT-TO-YOU-BY-EVEN-MORE-RNG and more music never to be heard by most people...please, reconsider.
 
This massive shift to rng boxes is souring me very fast on ever wanting to buy something from the store again. What gives, seriously? Let us buy the items fair and square.	
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			Yuuuuuuup.	
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			Or we can spend money on other games. I heard Rift is very sunny this time of the year...!	
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			I didn't like the music but  ill give you guys my +1 for this
			
				
	Edited January 8, 2016 by jvjd	
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			Many talented people add bits and bytes to the game, but Jeff Kurtenacker gives the game it's soul.	
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I honestly don't get it. It really seems like they need more cashflow, we want to buy things straight from the store but they completely ignore that and instead shove more and more rng boxes down our throats.
 
The only thing you are going to accomplish that way with me is to get me to nope the hell out.	
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