Report 1358

Report #1358
Skillset: Minstrelry Skill: Fireforte
 Org: Minstrels Status: Completed Jun 2015
Furies' Decision:
Solution 1.
Problem: Minstrels music damage attack is a 50% Fire/ 50% Psychic attack, but
the only way to buff psychic damage is through universal buffs. Since Fireforte
gives physical resist and fire resist, but only a fire buff, it seems the ideal
choice to add a small psychic buff.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Allow Fireforte to add a 1/8 psychic buff in addition
 to the 1/8 fire buff and resists it currently gives
Player Comments:
---[Lerad on 6/13 @ 08:15 writes]:
Solution 1 seems fine to me
---[Enyalida on 6/14 @ 15:25 writes]:
1/8 buff isn't a huge deal, but I'm confused by why this is a problem. Fireforte
gives small physical resist, fire resist, and fire buff, therefore it should
also give psychic damage buff?
---[Synkarin on 6/14 @ 16:23 writes]:
The problem statement is pretty clear, Minstrels don't have anyway to buff
psychic damage, fireforte being the buff/resist song is the ideal choice to add
it to, but if you think another song would be better, then I'm open for
suggestions
---[Enyalida on 6/16 @ 20:04 writes]:
Why is it a problem that there is no buff to psychic damage?
---[Synkarin on 6/17 @ 00:57 writes]:
Damage has been significantly lowered, with wide spreads of the new buff system
being generally applied, in addition to stats no longer being relevant and
damage attacks are going to be normalized, so it stands to reason that guilds
should be able to improve their own damage, if not to 10(13 w/ artifacts) then
somewhat significantly to help with damage. Thus I'm asking for a 1/8 psychic
buff to be added to fireforte to help make up for the reduction in damage.
---[Vivet on 6/20 @ 03:30 writes]:
Is this going to be changed to being for the minstrel only? Keep in mind this
will also buff flay, chaosaura, (and I think mindburst?) as well. And has the
number of psychic resistance sources increased in kind, or is it only more
difficult to buff? How is it more difficult to buff than prior? If the problem
is "damage has been significantly lowered", but that was the whole point, why
are we buffing it again? Can we say with certainty that Minstrels require this
special offensive buff in addition to their new ego kill method, or should the
discussion be more focused on the fact that damage has, perhaps, been reduced a
bit too much across the board? This report leaves a lot more questions than
answers, particularly in light of the general line of discussion in the Numen
report.
---[Synkarin on 6/20 @ 23:37 writes]:
I'm asking for a 1.5% psychic buff, a 3% flay buff, a 1% chaosaura buff that
follows song buff requirements. Psychic damage buffs are much harder to come by
than most other buffs, and it makes sense that Gaudiguch (which probably has
more psychic damage than any other org) should be able to have it. Is it needed?
Probably not. Is it going to affect the new ego kill? It may help pressure a
little better by providing more health damage, sure, it's not going to be
overwhelming. Any issues about damage getting crazy out of control has been
handled by the new overhaul buff system, so it's not just adding on top of
everything else. This is a minor buff that will minorly help out Gaudiguch and
other psychic damaging allies. There is a major difference than asking to
decently buff a 6/10 universal resist skill and asking for a 1/8 psychic buff on
my song.
---[Synkarin on 6/20 @ 23:49 writes]:
That should read 1.5% chasochord buff, not 1.5% psychic buff
---[Enyalida on 6/22 @ 22:36 writes]:
If it's that minor, there isn't much point in adding it in just to complicate
things.
---[Synkarin on 6/23 @ 00:06 writes]:
Well, Enyalida, if you'd like to express some valid balance concern as to why
this shouldn't be added, please feel free to express those. Otherwise, leave
vague, unhelpful concerns, because that really just makes things 'complicated'
rather than the simple, straightforward addition that isn't really that
complicated.
---[Enyalida on 6/24 @ 18:16 writes]:
Nothing about my comments are vague. Is this a report to return to pre-overhaul
status quo? No. Do Minstrels (and their allies) need this buff. "Probably not".
The problem statement and subsequent comments don't provide any reason why this
should be added. If Minstrels do not need a damage buff, we should not buff
their damage. Were Minstrels more impacted than any other guild by the changes?
---[Synkarin on 6/25 @ 18:25 writes]:
Commenting that this addition shouldn't be added because it complicates things
is the definition of vague. The problem statements and subsequent comments do
provide reasons for this change. Maybe reasons you don't agree with, but
reasons none the less. A lot of reports that are pushed through are entirely
unneeded, but get supported all the same. I wonder if you even read what you
write sometimes.
---[Enyalida on 6/25 @ 21:00 writes]:
Adding in more buffs that are (as you put it) "probably not" needed is the
opposite of streamlining: it's adding in more bulk to the game. I read this
report and all I see is "Minstrels can't buff psychic damage, guilds should be
able to buff their own damage". Great. Druids can't buff psychic damage either,
nor do we have any cutting/blunt or electricity/poison or asphyx buffs in our
skillsets. I can actually only think of a small handful of guilds that have
specific self-buffs of that variety in their skills (notably wood-chems). As far
as I'm aware the only other bard guild that has any non-orgsong based damage
buffing is the Spiritsingers, so I don't buy that Minstrels suddenly need
additional damage buffs they did not need before because guilds should be able
to buff their own damage automatically.
---[Enyalida on 6/25 @ 21:01 writes]:
Again: Do Minstrels need more damage potential? It may be true, I don't think
it's true, but the world may never know because no one seems to be MAKING that
case, or any case. Is the argument that fire forte is too weak to compete for a
slot? Is it that Gaudiguch in general is lacking for psychic boosts? What IS the
argument here, besides just "Why not add it?"?
---[Shuyin on 6/25 @ 21:30 writes]:
This is fine. Gaudiguch's thematic damage types are fire and psychic. It's
particularly hard to buff up psychic damage given that the most 'prevalent' ways
of doing so lie in the curios and universal buffs, so any addition is welcome.
---[Synkarin on 6/28 @ 02:01 writes]:
Actually most guilds had ways to boost their damage. Instead of using dmp
though, it was done through stats, which no longer exist. That's part of the
damage has been reduced and stats have been removed argument made earlier in
comments. Again, if there is some balance concern other than you are just simply
stonewalling this minor buff because you think it 'complicates' things, feel
free to bring it up. Will adding a 1/8 psychic buff into a system designed to
prevent too much damage really be a giant overwhelming concern? I don't think
so. It fits in Gaudiguch thematically and makes sense.