Report 817

Report #817
Skillset: Loralaria Skill: RedRubato
 Org: Symphonium Status: Rejected Apr 2012
Furies' Decision:
We feel this report is badly timed and would like to see how the recent changes
to RedRubato? settle in. Please note that Bards are considered a support class
for other guilds, so some skills are intended to synergise outside of a solo
offence (eg timewarp).
Problem: LoralAria currently lacks a real definable goal and synergy within the
skillset and within the org as a whole. Currently, RedRubato does damage based
on the timewarp of an opponent, but the Symphonist is largely unable to stack
timewarp, with the miniscule amount that RedRubato does, while Researchers
largely rely on burst timewarping (shatterplex) that is either cured quickly or
the opponent is timequaked. This reports seeks to expand RedRubato to work more
generally off mental afflictions. This would give Symphonists a more definite
goal to work towards while aiding Hallifax as a whole, which is very focused on
mental afflictions in Harmonics, Aeonics and Aeromancy
Solution #1: Change RedRubato damage to be based off of mental afflictions,
 rather than just TimeWarps, which would allow a more viable way
 of using RedRubato's damage effectively. This would also help
 any glamours users, who currently have little in the way of
 putting LoralAria skills to use.
Solution #2: Change RedRubato to damage upon receiving a mental aff. Change
 the gemmed effect to have a 50% chance of also damaging on curing
Solution #3: Change RedRubato to damage based off of mental afflictions, and
 have TimeWarps included as a mental affliction.
Player Comments:
---[Shuyin on 3/26 @ 09:24 writes]:
Will RedRubato also be doing mental afflictions, or will it be more like
YaikoYaiko where it won't do a thing unless the victim already suffers from
mental affs to begin with?
---[Morshoth on 3/26 @ 18:01 writes]:
It will be doing Timequake as it already does. Which is a mental affliction,
but seeing the lack of mental afflictions already in LoralAria, I did not see a
problem with it.
---[Morshoth on 3/26 @ 18:04 writes]:
Also consider that Minstrelry also has FireFugue, which does damage based off of
burn levels as well, while RedRubato is our only source of damage in all of
Loralaria
---[Morshoth on 3/26 @ 18:05 writes]:
And change that Timequake in my first comment to Timewarp
---[Shuyin on 3/26 @ 18:36 writes]:
You're going to want to double check on timewarp counting as a mental
affliction, because I once bugged that temporary insanity does not count as a
mental affliction for the purpose of hexes jinx (bug was returned as not a bug,
i.e. intended to be that way), so it may be the same for timewarp.
---[Shuyin on 3/30 @ 21:46 writes]:
Just asked Iosai again, and timewarp -does not- count as a mental affliction, so
your report might be a bit useless assuming you were banking on timewarp
counting as a mental affliction to do damage for your song
---[Viynain on 4/9 @ 05:20 writes]:
Not a fan of solution 2 without more clarification on the amount of damage
proposed because of the rapid amount of damage I can just imagine from beast
hypnogaze+colourburst compounded with more passive damage from rainbowpattern
and colourmaelstrom from a lone Symphonist.
---[Rivius on 4/9 @ 16:58 writes]:
I'm not too excited about making redrubato work off of mental afflictions
either, and definitely opposed to making timewarp count as a mental affliction.
Being able to give timewarp and damage at any given time, and still scale the
damage based on timewarp makes it superior to yaikoyaiko, and I think that's a
fairly strong effect. Due to its high-stanza nature, I could sympathize with
making it drain mana as well, which would help if you have manabarbs up. I'm
definitely not too fond of the solutions presented here. Another option is to
make use of the afflictions given by violetvibrato, which is a much narrower
list than "any mental affliction", and much fairer too. It would be helpful too,
since violetvibrato seems to be able to double-afflict occasionally, making it
very possible to hold some of the bonus damage.
---[Shuyin on 4/10 @ 22:14 writes]:
Solution 2 is a definite no. Having it tick every time the victim receives a
mental aff is a bit much if you take into account both active and passive moves.
I am equally wary about Solution 3, but if Timewarp were counted as a mental
affliction, I would prefer that temporary insanity be counted as well.
---[Llandros on 4/11 @ 00:37 writes]:
I think it would be timewarps would be counted as mental afflictions only for
the sake of this skill.
---[Shuyin on 4/12 @ 00:31 writes]:
Given the resolution of 805, I am wary of changing RedRubato further given the
improvement to its gem effect. I'm also wary of the idea of changing the same
skill twice in a row without even giving it enough time to fully test out its
new capabilities
---[Ushaara on 4/13 @ 19:57 writes]:
Do agree with Shuyin that this is perhaps a bit premature. I think Rivius'
suggestion of working off the limited vibrato affs with timewarp is a nice
compromise though.
---[Draylor on 4/15 @ 09:07 writes]:
Yeah. I also agree with Shuyin. Too little time has elapsed.
---[Tacita on 4/15 @ 20:14 writes]:
I agree with Shuyin's concerns here.