Report 829

Report #829
Skillset: Starhymn Skill: HopesCarol
 Org: Cantors Status: Completed Apr 2012
Furies' Decision:
We do not want to see DMP availability increase further across the board. We
will add poison but decrease each type to 8 DMP.
Problem: Whilst a low stanza effect, HopesCarol offers a small DMP to just a few
forms of damage types, namely fire, cold and electrical. With the addition of
our new angel skills, namely the fact that we must play this effect in order
that the angel skills will actually even work, leaves a Cantor with little
damage mitigation. This issue is further compounded with the advent of the new
damage types.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Extend HopesCarol to encompass all types of damage.
 Increase the afforded DMP to 15.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Extend HopesCarol to encompass all types of damage.
 Leave the DMP at 10.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3: Extend HopesCarol to include poison damage,
 increasing the DMP to these damage types to 15.
Player Comments:
---[Viynain on 4/12 @ 22:02 writes]:
Especially with GuadianAngel taken into consideration as a further source of
DMP, I cannot agree that StarHymn requires additional levels of protection from
either more types of damage or higher levels of DMP, as the problem states. In
comparing all of the guilds, I'd say Cantors are on the higher end of the DMP
spectrum when tallied. All others have a 10DMP song as well against a limited
pool of damage types, barring Shadowbeat which has no DMP song at all, and
Wildarrane who has DMP to everything but requires they not lose all their
spirits running around.
---[Enyalida on 4/12 @ 23:48 writes]:
Solution 3 at maximum. Poison is kind of an 'elemental' type, and it seems very
much in theme that cantors be more defensive.
---[Raeri on 4/13 @ 06:35 writes]:
Do not support. I agree with Viynain, Cantors can be very tanky through their
angel song effects as it is, though I could potentially support see leaving DMP
at 10, but including poison in the covered damage types.
---[Draylor on 4/13 @ 07:15 writes]:
Whilst, yes, we have GuardianAngel, I must stress that in order to take
advantage of this (2p, 1 stanza loss) a Cantor must give up a fair bit of
offence. This is more true for Glamourists, being -extremely- power intensive.
Playing the GuardianAngel effects leaves a Cantor with a much reduced offense.
The times it (GuardianAngel) may be useful generally comes at a time when the
Cantor is being solely targeted. Taking the general squishiness into account,
one can quickly ascertain that a very swift death would ensue anyway. To
reiterate a point once again, GuardianAngel sees -very- little use in any PvP
setting. With this in mind, how about I suggest the following: Remove the
HopesCarol requirement from GuardianAngel and replace with Processional. This
certainly makes sense thematically as both are defensive in manner. Further to
this, I would be happy with losing the effects of HopesCarol whilst
GuardianAngel is active. (Temporarily, and the effects would be immediately
reinstated upon expiration of GuardianAngel.)
---[Draylor on 4/13 @ 10:18 writes]:
An even simpler option would be to simply disallow HopesCarol being imbued
whilst GuardianAngel is active. Looking into points raised by other envoys, I
feel this would adeqately address the concerns.
---[Shuyin on 4/14 @ 05:04 writes]:
I'm in favour of Draylor's statement right above this one, in addition to
including poison damage
---[Llandros on 4/14 @ 21:18 writes]:
I don't support any of these. 3 damage types for 10 dmp is fine and in line with
other dmp low stanza bard songs.
---[Tacita on 4/15 @ 20:17 writes]:
Not supported.
---[Mirami on 4/18 @ 03:10 writes]:
Not supported.
---[Alacardael on 4/19 @ 09:44 writes]:
If HopesCarol already adds 10 DMP, and considering the fact that all other Music
specialties (except for SB and WA, as Viydain said) only add up to 10 DMP, +DMP
from Guardian Angel, I don't see why adding even more damage mitigation to
StarHymn is needed. At more
---[Alacardael on 4/19 @ 09:46 writes]:
(oops, continuation) At most, I'd support Solution 2.
---[Ushaara on 4/19 @ 15:54 writes]:
Am pretty neutral on improving HopesCarol, as the being a prerequisite for angel
songs does remove some flexibility in choice, and so might warrant it being
better than other songs. If it is improved, I like the disallowing of its
effects while GuardianAngel is up suggestion.