149849-raid-set-recolour-coming-to-the-store

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We've all been speculating about it, and with the PTR update, WildWeave managed to datamine this:
So, the Medic raid set recolour will be coming to the store soon, and I'm sure eventually more will follow. How do you guys feel about this? I personally don't like this, even tho it's a recolour I feel that raid sets should stay exclusive raid rewards.	
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So, the Medic raid set recolour will be coming to the store soon,
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Says who? We've seen pictures of that set since beta. I'd expect to see it come out of RMT.
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I don't like it on principle... but then, I wouldn't want to see this game go down because of my principles. :P  So I guess I would say I empathize with raiders on this one but am essentially indifferent.
 
The other point I will make, after a pause: DS has been out for a long, long time. So while I still don't like the idea of selling stuff from the game's most challenging coop content, I also feel like showing off this gear has had its day, and with Redmoon coming up next, raiders will have something else to look forward to as far as cosmetic distinction.
 
Oh and another point now that my brain is clicking... a lot of raid guilds actually sell spots in their raids for in-game money, which can result in people being carried to all kinds of stuff. Seen it in WoW all the time, seeing it here. The sanctity of the big raid reward has in a sense been tarnished already. :P	
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			RMT won't be out for a good while yet, and very few players have still seen Datascape.	
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Says who? We've seen pictures of that set since beta. I'd expect to see it come out of RMT.
 
I guess I should clarify:
Yes, it does look like a store banner, but considering how many assets we've seen go unused, that's hardly a guarantee.
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 Warrior raid set as a costume from Madame Fay, it was pretty obvious they would use the others as well after that.
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They still haven't clarified if that was a mistake or not, I was really hoping that it was and we were suppose to get the Ascendancy costume instead. Guess not.
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			The 3v3 arena reward mount is going to be a data drifter retextured red	
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The 3v3 arena reward mount is going to be a data drifter retextured red
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			Like I said in another thread, I don't raid, and I don't feel that wanting to look like I do is good enough reason for me to be able to. Even though I like the look of the sets, I don't think I should be able to have them without putting in the work. It's not fair to the people who have.	
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I think we need to take another look at the ways we show off excellence in gaming so that we're able to strike a balance between showing our pride in our accomplishments and showing off our style with a look that fits our personality.  
I'm thinking... hats...   
 
Definitely....   we need more hats...  BETTER hats..    Squirg-ier...hats....?Bring Xeno-Haberdashery back!  Make it once again the golden standard of discernment, between those who are "choice" individuals and the filthy plebeians whose crown may never be adorned with greater than self-soiled rags...   Its too late.....  the revolution has already begun in earnest....https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/148654-hats-list-update/Bow before your master race!
 
Does this look like the face of mercy???    DOES IT...  PUNK????	
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You can still have it on Special Raid Color Armor Set.
Everyone will know the difference between Special Raid Color Armor Set and Store Bought Garbs
			
				
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I'm not pleased about these recolors. This snubs all those runs the raiders do to earn their fancy gear. I rather have no new costumes instead of a cheap recolor for raid content. It doesn't even take much effort to make the color similar to the original beyond the undyable parts.
 
This is in such bad taste.	
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			While I don't mind being able to get gear/costumes that look like raid gear (speaking as a non-raider), I'd rather have to earn it. Like the high-tier PvP stuff, no one complains about that looking like raid gear, to my knowledge. I imagine that's because you actually have to earn it by playing the dang game. The stuff from Madame Fay's and this costume are just things you drop some cash on, no playing required. 	
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			Yea, old news. Warrior Raid set recolor has been in madam faye for a while. AFAIK just having a set icon from a different looking armor doesn't mean they didn't intend it. I assume soon we'll see all the raid sets recoloured eventually	
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Raid gear should be for raids only, visual and everything. And it's not like we couldn't use more unique costumes to the game, because we certainly could.
And if recolours should be a thing, it hurts less if we get the panda costume the chinese got for their beta participation rather than a recolour of raid sets... 
Any why no panda costume here Carbine, why? 	
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Raid gear should be for raids only, visual and everything. And it's not like we couldn't use more unique costumes to the game, because we certainly could.
And if recolours should be a thing, it hurts less if we get the panda costume the chinese got for their beta participation rather than a recolour of raid sets... 
Any why no panda costume here Carbine, why? 
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			Soo.... about today's shop update....	
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http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2016-02-24-seek-and-destroy-store-update/
 
*sad trombone*	
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If this is true, that kinda sucks for the raiders. I remember back in the day working hard for the loot from raids and one of the main motivators was the aesthetic factor. (Who hasn't either equipped something bad because it looked good, or done a difficult task to aquire a piece of loot solely based on its looks?)
 
But then again, the raid sets look cool, even when recoloured and would probably sell well, so I guess the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few here.	
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Pretty lame to let people buy what other people have spent hundreds of hours attaining.
 
I don't care too much about costumes, but it just doesn't sit right.	
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			Meh. How many people even use the tier gear as a costume. And them paying for it means money towards dev time for the next tier so....yea sell it all 	
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I don't care if the raiders get butthurt over this, I always laugh when elitists cry about this sort of thing. If an armor set is that much of an integral part of your self-esteem, you need help.
 
Back when GW2 had the Super Adventure Box I worked my ass off to beat hardmode and get the yellow greatsword skin. A while later the skin was made widely available. Did I pitch a fit? No, I don't care of others have it, my character still looks just as cool with the skin and that's what's important. I don't need a status symbol.
 
That said, recolors are incredibly lazy and I would have liked to see some more original armor like the badass Ikthian set that came out a while ago.
			
				
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I don't care if the raiders get butthurt over this, I always laugh when elitists cry about this sort of thing. If an armor set is that much of an integral part of your self-esteem, you need help.
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Meh. How many people even use the tier gear as a costume. 
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Meh. How many people even use the tier gear as a costume.
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I don't care if the raiders get butthurt over this, I always laugh when elitists cry about this sort of thing. If an armor set is that much of an integral part of your self-esteem, you need help.
 
That said, recolors are incredibly lazy and I would have liked to see some more original armor like the badass Ikthian set that came out a while ago.
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			Not actually a recolor, but I doubt anyone cares.  There's going to be one of these for each class, so it would be nice if everyone gets it out of their system now instead of having one of these topics pop up each time.  Personally, I'm glad that they are finally making these available, we've known about them since the first galaxy library add on, and that they aren't using them for RMT.  Enough with variations on a theme, lets get some new armor designs going!  Preferably with proper shoes for Mechari.	
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What?  Recolors are the height of developer laziness.  It's minimum wage or unpaid intern level of work.  It's a move that's costing them a lot of good-will.
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Not sure if there's that big of a difference.  Changes are small, still close enough that I can see why people are pissed.
 
Side note, I always think of Robotech when I see it :P
			
				
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			Like I said, variations on a theme.  People are calling it a recolor, but I doubt they'd actually be able to dye one to look like the others.	
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Not actually a recolor, but I doubt anyone cares.
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I like the GA medic set.  I'm specifically running my medic now to finish it out instead of my esper.  Heck, I like the GA set's default colors better than the DS set but like the DS helmet better.  Not really a fan of the red highlighting of the store set.
 
What?  Recolors are the height of developer laziness.  It's minimum wage or unpaid intern level of work.  It's a move that's costing them a lot of good-will.
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Not actually a recolor, but I doubt anyone cares.  There's going to be one of these for each class, so it would be nice if everyone gets it out of their system now instead of having one of these topics pop up each time.  Personally, I'm glad that they are finally making these available, we've known about them since the first galaxy library add on, and that they aren't using them for RMT.  Enough with variations on a theme, lets get some new armor designs going!  Preferably with proper shoes for Mechari.
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For GA unless spent months in there progressing with 5 people of the same class rolling vs you every drop then pls you didn't spend any time collecting them.
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			"recolor", "reskin", "variations on a theme", what ever we want to call it, whether it's the correct term or not, I think it points to a certain laziness.  Now, I can understand partly because they are a small team and they may have limited resources, but IMNSHO they have a lot of stuff to choose from that they shouldn't have to *cupcake* with stuff people put a lot of work into acquiring.  They've been given a lot of suggestions for vanity items that people want to see, and I can't say that I've seen too many people ask for raid obtained items(for example) to be made a vanity item(even with the small variations) available for everyone to acquire.  I'm not a raider, I don't do enough of the type of PvP to get the season rewards, and even though I think some of that stuff is bad-ass looking and I really really want it, if I'm not willing to put in the work I don't think it should be made available to me just because I really really want it.  There's other cool/bad-ass stuff (to me) available that I can get and be happy with.	
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Not sure if there's that big of a difference.  Changes are small, still close enough that I can see why people are pissed.
 
Side note, I always think of Robotech when I see it :P
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			It's already been confirmed that RMT class armor will be entirely new sets.	
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But if people buy it and it costs them little to make- that was his point.
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			the store got some great stuff today!  opening up that wallet when i get home.  mounts, skins, flair, getting all of it.  I do not like the fact that they are going to put in raid gear skins. but you know what? I am going to buy it anyway LOL.  i can only put up so much of a fight against glorious pixels.	
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			The best way to be not lazy about these alt raid costumes is to just release them all at once instead of only one. But of course the medic costume's the best followed by the Engineer. I rather be overwhelmed by different costume choices than only get one and wonder where the rest are.	
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			That seems like a silly approach. If you overwhelm a person with too many choices, chances are they're going to choose none of them.	
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			They're all quite different sets. This medic set probably does no good if you're trying to dress in lighter armors or more stealthy. I simply want more options to throw my money at the store rather than waiting on the long line for something that interests me to roll around.	
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I think people are misunderstanding where this (and the warrior one before it, and the stalker/esper/spellslinger/engineer ones to come) armor set comes from.  These have been around for years.  They did not make a set similar to raid ones to sell for money, they had a set that wasn't being used.  Them selling it for money isn't being lazy, its going to create more work since they now need to come up with something new for RMT.  And any cost to make this set was incurred years ago.
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That said, recolors are incredibly lazy and I would have liked to see some more original armor like the badass Ikthian set that came out a while ago.
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What's with some people throwing around the word 'lazy' on this? You think the folks at Carbine are sitting on their arses sipping brandy and laughing while chained monkeys do all the work? :PI'm actually guilty of this too. I've written before that a few things felt lazy to me, like the inanimate NPCs we've been getting. The more accurate situation is likely that they couldn't complete those animations because they ~didn't have the time~. Basically it's a case of priorities, not unwillingness to work. I believe the exact same situation is happening here.
 
As far as the idea that a lot of people haven't earned the sets yet, I don't see that as relevant. A lot of people will ~never~ finish or even start a raid in WS, so should that mean the gear is infinitely hands-off for the people who made it? :P   This is just my own take on things but I think 2 years is more than enough time to pass before something gets reused. I'd definitely prefer if they didn't reuse stuff... but again, we're all quite aware that Wildstar is not a cash cow game and Carbine needs to do some things we may not like (and even ~they~ may not like) to keep the doors open.
 
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What's with some people throwing around the word 'lazy' on this? You think the folks at Carbine are sitting on their arses sipping brandy and laughing while chained monkeys do all the work? :P
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Nope, that's not what I think at all.  An analogy if you will:  I'm a busy mom.  Sometimes I feel that I've worked a lot already during the day and I don't want to cook dinner, so I take the lazy way out and either make them sandwiches instead of a fully home-cooked meal, or I order pizza.  Just because I'm lazy in that doesn't mean I didn't do other *cupcake* during the day.  It just means that there was one aspect of my day that I just couldn't be bothered to do properly.
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Do you apply that same mentality to a professional work environment for which you receive a paycheck? :P
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			Like Esper said, it's easy to forget that they're probably strained very thin.  Wildstar's not doing great, which means less funding, less manpower, and more demands from up above to do what they can to bring up profits in the short-term, what people complain about as "cash grabs".  These are obstacles that a struggling studio has to deal with, and I am sure that they love the game and are trying their best to make more and cooler content while dealing with them.  If we really want Wildstar to continue and thrive, we need to be more understanding, not get angry and turn on them, which just accelerates the downfall of the community and the game.
			
				
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Since I am a SAHM, that's the first analogy that came to mind.  But yes, there were times when I was earning a paycheck that I found a lazy way to accomplish something that needed to get done.  And apparently so do game developers :)
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			Super excited about this because, as a stalker main, not all raid sets are equally good looking....	
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Like Esper said, it's easy to forget that they're probably strained very thin.  Wildstar's not doing great, which means less funding, less manpower, and more demands from up above to do what they can to bring up profits in the short-term, what people complain about as "cash grabs".  These are obstacles that a struggling studio has to deal with, and I am sure that they love the game and are trying their best to make more and cooler content while dealing with them.  If we really want Wildstar to continue and thrive, we need to be more understanding, not get angry and turn on them, which just accelerates the downfall of the community and the game.
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 but the DS gear looks like shit so that doesn't even matter.
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Selling recolors in a game with dyes is not just lazy, but rather insulting. As though we can't recolor things ourselves. As though recoloring makes it any different from the raid set, because we can just dye it to whatever color anyway.
 
I don't think it's right to sell costumes that are supposed to serve as chase items for people to complete content. Period.	
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Selling recolors in a game with dyes is not just lazy, but rather insulting. As though we can't recolor things ourselves. As though recoloring makes it any different from the raid set, because we can just dye it to whatever color anyway.
 
I don't think it's right to sell costumes that are supposed to serve as chase items for people to complete content. Period.
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While I'd agree that pretty much everyone is lazy at some point, I will get off your train off thought when it comes to assuming that's the case here. I mean, we've got two equally plausible explanations... why choose the cynical one? :o
 
To each their own I guess.
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First, I am not a fan of very similar raid costumes being put in the shop.
 
Second, I understand Wildstar needs to make money to keep the wheels turning.
 
After the Warrior raid re-color/skin going into the Madam shop, and now this; I may not like it but do it Carbine.
 
You have "costume" content sitting there, if it helps make more money to get new content out to your players I am fine with it.
 
The only thing I would change - apply these re-color/skinned raid alternate costumes to the non set gear in DS so that the raiders can benefit from their release and perhaps put some incentive for more people to get in there and collect loot that's being salvaged. 
 
Just please don't do this to the RM sets ;)	
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One person's cynicism is another's realism.  Just because I understand why they did it, have done similar things myself in the past, doesn't mean I can't call it for what I see it as.
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And diminishing the need to actually run content in the game.
 
I am of the opinion that if you want something in-game, you should do the content to get that thing. Cash shop exclusive stuff is fine, but it's ridiculous to take something that's a chase item and stick it on the shop. It's not a good long-term move, removing one of the motivations to participate in content.
 
I remember fondly going back to old raids in WoW and farming gear for appearances. :/	
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Ahhhh. One of the joys of having money is the ability to toss lose change at stuff on a whim. 
 
If it looks good; I'll buy it. But to be honest there are like two or three in store costume sets that have pieces that I'd want. This will likely be the same.	
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			I'm really not that upset if they add a raid style set to the store. I don't mind if other people get the gear looks, and personally, I would like to be able to get some of the other class gear anyway. The Medic set looks super amazing. :)	
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			ok... this is coming from someone who has been to GA & DS... in one way it does KINDA bother me that Carbine is doing this and shouldnt be done all together. BUT! You have to look at it from another POV... YES! Noobs & lowbies are going to purchase this, and (aside for heckling and pissing them off) there's really nothing we can do about. So the POV is this: I also see it as an (Big Keyword here) INCENTIVE for them to keep going on and farm the gear properly THROUGH Raid Progression. This is just how I see it.	
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			Are you seriously semi advocating for the harassment of players that buy this costume, because you're against? I hope I'm misunderstanding your post. Otherwise I would say this is the single most ridiculous thing to come out of this farce. Not to mention the most self destructive one toward Wildstar's ability to retain a playerbase.
			
				
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			ok, let me correct myself in my statement. YES! people are going to generally "b!tch" about raid gear sets (as costumes) being sold in AH or NShop. Although some may take it as a negative, its also a positive for new people coming into game, as a personal incentive to farm the raid gear for their class. All Im saying here is that, let the "baby have his bottle", because there is general REALLY nothing we can do about as long as Carbine decides to put whatever in their cash shop. And NO! I do not advocate in any way shape or form the harrassment of players. Thank you.
			
				
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It's a free to play game. But something has to pay to keep the lights on. 
 
So some old sets go on the item block. Beats the alternative.	
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It's a free to play game. But something has to pay to keep the lights on.
 
So some old sets go on the item block. Beats the alternative.
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People will buy the gear, Carbine will make money. There is no other consideration for these sets to be sold. As far as one costume being only for the Leet raiders and other versions of the set being off limits for the people who made them to do what ever they want with them? Get over it. It's a game, and the raid gear isn't even that spectacular looking in many cases (I'm thinking Stalker and SS personally). 
 
You can't recolor the holo-portions, so there will always be an identifier of whether its the costume or the raid gear (though frankly I think the orange looks better... YMMV). I'm glad they are adding more aesthetic options to the shop directly, it gives us costume collectors and housing enthusiasts the chance to get some interesting pieces while supporting the game.	
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People will buy the gear, Carbine will make money. There is no other consideration for these sets to be sold. As far as one costume being only for the Leet raiders and other versions of the set being off limits for the people who made them to do what ever they want with them? Get over it. It's a game, and the raid gear isn't even that spectacular looking in many cases (I'm thinking Stalker and SS personally). 
 
You can't recolor the holo-portions, so there will always be an identifier of whether its the costume or the raid gear (though frankly I think the orange looks better... YMMV). I'm glad they are adding more aesthetic options to the shop directly, it gives us costume collectors and housing enthusiasts the chance to get some interesting pieces while supporting the game.
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			It's NOT a good sign for long term policies. They're removing what will be a good motivation to run content in the years to come. What's more, it's not a good precedent for the quality and creativeness of the costumes we're going to get in the cash shop.	
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Or, they could produce new sets like they did with the Ikthian costume.
Recycling chase sets like top tier raid appearances is NOT necessary.
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It's NOT a good sign for long term policies. They're removing what will be a good motivation to run content in the years to come. What's more, it's not a good precedent for the quality and creativeness of the costumes we're going to get in the cash shop.
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Since when are aesthetics the motivation to run raids?
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Since when are aesthetics the motivation to run raids? Gear stats (AFAIK) are the motivation; and progressing your character are the impetus. a fancy suit doesn't make your character put out 15k dps; stats do ;)
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Since when are aesthetics the motivation to run raids? Gear stats (AFAIK) are the motivation; and progressing your character are the impetus. a fancy suit doesn't make your character put out 15k dps; stats do ;)
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			I hope you're right that it's a one-time thing!	
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			WTB all class costumes. I got the monies, give me the hunnies.	
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I hope you're right that it's a one-time thing!
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The single biggest thing I saw during the prelaunch/beta time period of this game that made me want to play it was not the telegraph system, was not the combat, was not the scenery, was not the PvP, was not the PvE... it was seeing the Medic GA gear.  I guess I am more vain than I thought.  Regardless, since I don't like to raid, I had resigned myself to never getting those pieces. 
 
Now that a similar skin is available on the cash shop, I can get it and... for lack of better words... feel "complete" about my overall gaming experience.
 
To all that say it is a slap in the face of raiders who spent so much of their time earning that gear, the PvP costumes are now attainable by all as well.  And, the PvP costumes are not recolors or reskins of a same set, they are THE ACTUAL SET.  The cash shop Medic set is a recolor version of the raiding sets.  If I want the other colors/skins, I still need to raid. 
 
I don't say this much, but really, stop crying.
 
 
 
On the plus side, I have opened my very light wallet to grab this skin off the cash shop, and am loving this game more because of it.	
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Not all raiders are elitist.
 
No one said armor was an integral part of their self-esteem.
 
Obviously armor is valuable to some people, or they wouldn't spend time to get it or real world money on it. That doesn't quite equate to "integral part of their self-esteem".
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The lazy intensifies...
 
This is really lame, both for PvPers AND PvErs... PvPers aren't getting anything unique for their hard work and raiders are getting their unique stuff ripped off...
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If my money is going to go to more raid tier recolors being sold as costumes... yeah, no thank you. Not supporting that level of laziness and disregard for achievement.
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Nope
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You do realize the money is to help *cupcake*ing make new content right, fine, lets all be whiny bitches and stop paying right now because some slighly reskinned raid models are being sold
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Since forever. xD The number of "transmog" runs in WoW when I played FAR outnumbered the actual raid groups, and running old content to put together outfits was an extremely common activitiy. And the thing folk got excited about every raid tier? New gear appearances.
 
Stats are great and all, but they're pretty meh compared to looks.
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If you don't want the new sets that resemble the raid sets, don't buy them. If you do, do. It's not lazy, those sets (including the so called recolors) were made long ago, and are finally being used. It's called efficiency; and getting a return on work / effort already put in to make them. 
 
 
People who get raid gear for looks are a minority. The vast majority of players get raid gear for stats. There is a whole meme about mismatching terrible looking gear because of stats... that's always been the case, plus a lot of the end game gear is utter *cupcake* aesthetically. There are a few exceptions but most look like trash. 
 
Look however you wan't, some one in 122 ilvl gear is going to melt faces over a 76 ilvl costumed player with a similar look; and that's where the true importance of end game gear lies; and why costume systems have become the norm (cuz more often than not the best gear looks like garbage)
			
				
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People who get raid gear for looks are a minority. The vast majority of players get raid gear for stats. 
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I mean...who cares it's the GA set. You can get carried in a few pugs to get a better colored one as a Medic. Raiders pretending it takes time and effort these days is hilarious.
 
Is it lazy on Carbine's end? Probably. But the bigger issue is is how there's a 4 page thread on the first page of General about playing dress up in MMOs.
 
Sad times for the genre.	
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I mean, the red Data Drifter looks really *cupcake*ing cool though :P
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Link?
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video :) https://youtu.be/NOVcmBYwyxM
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I mean...who cares it's the GA set. You can get carried in a few pugs to get a better colored one as a Medic. Raiders pretending it takes time and effort these days is hilarious.
 
Is it lazy on Carbine's end? Probably. But the bigger issue is is how there's a 4 page thread on the first page of General about playing dress up in MMOs.
 
Sad times for the genre.
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General trends in MMOs (and video games in general) suggest otherwise.
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Is that a cash shop thing, PvE thing, or PvP thing? It looks absolutely amazing and I WANT IT NOW!
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It's the arena reward mount
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There's a shit ton of people who has the Avatus mount because he's easy as *cupcake* to kill now, and ya'll are pissed about a PvP recolor mount that will go to the top 5% of PvP'ers? The PvP mount will be marginally more rare than the Avatus mount ever was, and just as distinctive. 
 
And on the same coin, why the *cupcake* would they waste extra resources on making a unique mount for the 6 PvP'ers left. They made a new set and sword for players to attain in PvP, and even at that I thought it was pretty generous considering how dead PvP is, and PvP is primarily what I do now'a'days. 	
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And on the same coin, why the *cupcake*would they waste extra resources on making a unique mount for the 6 PvP'ers left.
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This attitude is just one of many reasons why PvP in this game died off. Why should they cater to housing/RP plebs? Just the same stupid question.
 
And those s2 costumes are a joke too. Instead of attacking the real issues PvP has and bring back PvPers they decided to make those costumes available to every pleb out there just so PvP can die down again once everyone brain afk'ed long enough in BGs. Another poor bandaid solution.
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To expand on Razhork's remarks, you do realize that the amount of people spending time on housing is proportionally larger than the group of people doing PvP don't you? Anyone trying to claim that this isn't the case are quite frankly deluding themselves.
For Carbine the only right choice at the moment is to expand on areas of the game where there's actually player interest. When they've done that, then they can start focusing on areas that are on life support.
			
				
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Also housing is easily expanded upon and very good cost effective. If you've noticed, all the props you have available to use, are already use in-game. All the decor you'll find in the next drop is essentially props already used in Arcterra. It's basically repurposing the zone props, which causes no harm. It's not like housing is getting anything exceedingly special either, but the nature of the housing system keeps it pretty interesting and fun. 
 
And as I said, I primarily PvP. I find it fun in this game, and the new world PvP was a great addition, but you can't even try and fool yourself into thinking PvP makes up any significant portion of the game as of now. But I'm actually happy with the direction PvP has taken since launch, although it's far too slow. We haven't gotten a new battleground since drop 2, which was in August 2014? 
			
				
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			You're mistaken about my preferences in this game. Just because I realize that housing is a large part of the game, it doesn't mean that it's my preference. My housing plot can literally be summed up in two words: Completely empty.	
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So you're telling me f2p RE-LAUNCH was not big enough of a reason to invest resources into PvP? PvP servers were ALIVE, again. They've let it DIE down, again.
 
I never said a unique mount is going to revive PvP, it's just another example of how little they cared for PvP. At this point I'm positive that PvP in this game will always be a mini game you do during raid downtimes and nothing more. Steam sure as hell won't help, these servers will break again under the masses.
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So you're telling me f2p RE-LAUNCH was not big enough of a reason to invest resources into PvP? PvP servers were ALIVE, again. They've let it DIE down, again. 
I never said a unique mount is going to revive PvP, it's just another example of how little they cared for PvP. At this point I'm positive that PvP in this game will always be a mini game you do during raid downtimes and nothing more. Steam sure as hell won't help, these servers will break again under the masses. 
@Xychosis The only reason you housing/rp fanatics currently play such a great role is because literally everyone else quit :)
Even now I'd say the raids are the only thing keeping this game afloat, if you think otherwise you're the one being delusional. 
Man I'm hyped for the next quarter report and the upcoming steam flop :-)
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Why do you think PvP servers died? Because truth is PvP isn't that attractive in Wildstar. You have no solution for it either, as it would appear. 
They made entirely new sets of PvP armor and weapon for each class and faction and added a new arena. It's pretty clear that they tried to revive arena, but it wasn't attractive enough to keep players doing 3v3. PvP in Wildstar just isn't as good as you might believe. You're saying a whole lot of nothing. 
 
Stuff like "THEY LET IT DIE", "Well they treat it like a minigame" is by no means descriptive. I'm asking you what they should've done for PvP. There are legitimate PvP players who has concerns are suggestions, but you're literally just a bunch of whine. Make new unique PvP mounts for the top players is just stupid. It's got nothing to do with treating PvP as a minigame. You wouldn't invest a fairly decent amount of money into a extremely small minority, when it would do nothing to revive PvP. There's a lot more fundamental problems with PvP than adding unique mounts for the top players. 
 
Just answer me, what would you do with PvP with F2P. How would you have kept PvP servers afloat? 
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General trends in MMOs suggest that the best gear looks like garbage. Thats why they make costume systems; so you can look good while still wearing the best gear you have / can get. 
 
The Medic and Engineer sets are essetially the only great looking ones in raids... the rest are meh and some are hideous (WTF were the thinking for stalker????)
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I happen to like the vast majority of the top tier WS sets.
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