113342-request-costume-versions-of-raidpvp-gear-models

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Yesterday I was goofing around in the PTR, and equipped part of the Stalker PvP armor, and posted a pic on Tumblr. I liked the models, and wanted to get them on the live realm. A bit difficult, but doable since the character in question is a Stalker on the live realm. But on the other hand, PvP is pretty messed up right now, with 1800s facerolling beginners and blue gear in practice matches because of the dramatic difference between gear tiers and the matchmaker not taking them into account. Not to mention, you can't even see all the armor in the vendor if your class doesn't match.
 
I know y'all have already been fitting PvP and raid armor to races that don't have access to the armor's class, so why not make those models available for costuming purposes? Maybe make them high-tier crafted, or something like that. Or just make the existing PvP and raid sets buyable by everyone, but only equipable as armor for the given class.
 
And in case you're thinking I'm just one weirdo, here's the post in question, still getting new notes. Later I did the same thing with a Mechari, which had very interesting results. A lot of Mechari players go around naked because there aren't enough robot-like armor options. Making costume PvP/raid gear would have a great many uses.	
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			I love them and want them and yes all my yes.	
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As much I would like this I don't think they ever do it. I mean, one of the reasons of those set to be different are to show it and then people are able to see who are X rating or who already finished a raid...
 
I will never have one :(	
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			I can't say "Yes". But I also won't say "No".	
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			Ooooooh please J-Tal say yes too that.  I would love the stalker PvP gear on my spellslinger, even if it's just the boots.  Or at least the same style or a heel style of boots	
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			I don't know... while I'd love to get my hands on some of that badass looking armor, isn't that part of the cache of EARNING that armor? That you have badass looking armor that others don't? Making costumes of them defeats the whole purpose ... unless you lock said costume to only people who've earned that level, but not necessarily that armor type.... That could work.	
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I don't know... while I'd love to get my hands on some of that badass looking armor, isn't that part of the cache of EARNING that armor? That you have badass looking armor that others don't? Making costumes of them defeats the whole purpose ... unless you lock said costume to only people who've earned that level, but not necessarily that armor type.... That could work.
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I can't say "Yes". But I also won't say "No".
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The point is currently, you can't get the other classes' gear models at all, no matter how much you PvP/raid. Adding the existing models would take less time than making entirely new robot costumes, because, as I said, most (if not all) of them are already fit to all the races. ;) If you want digitigrade robot legs, you should be able to have them, regardless of whether you're a Stalker or not. My suggestion isn't necessarily about making it easy to get those models, but rather, possible at all.
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I can't say "Yes". But I also won't say "No".
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Yeah... i can see that. I just don't want, say, a lvl 15 stalker alt wearing high end stalker raid gear as a costume, cuz he can. Now if someone earned that tier of raiding on a character, then I think I'd be ok with a high end raiding stalker having access to warrior or esper gear of that level.
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Yeah... i can see that. I just don't want, say, a lvl 15 stalker alt wearing high end stalker raid gear as a costume, cuz he can. Now if someone earned that tier of raiding on a character, then I think I'd be ok with a high end raiding stalker having access to warrior or esper gear of that level.
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I can't say "Yes". But I also won't say "No".
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I can see three possibilities this could work without enraging elitists (too much):
 
1. If you get light gloves from raid, you would be able to buy medium/heavy ones as costume.
 
2. If someone in your group/raid loots an item, you would be able to use it as a costume.
 
3. If you kill a boss in raid, you get unlocks for raid skins vendor. For examle: boots for first boss, gloves for second one, helmet for the last one etc.
 
The second and the third option wouldn't of course work for PvP gear. There it would be better to use rating.	
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Why not? If that player has invested the necessary time, effort and currency to get the costume, why shouldn't he wear the costume unless he's "the proper level"? It'd be just an arbitrary number to protect the sparkliness of the high-level crowd.
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if those prosthetic legs were more common I'm sure we see quite a few more bunny girls on the aurin side. 
 
P.S Bonus points if you actually get the reference.	
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I would love to get my hands on stalker pvp gear as a warrior, but what? 
 
PvP is pretty messed up right now, with 1800s facerolling beginners and blue gear in practice matches because of the dramatic difference between gear tiers
 
Pvp gear has been fixed for a while now and it is pretty damn balanced... when will people stop posting stuff like this? Most people do not seem to know gear is now fine <.<
 
 
And raid/pvp gear should not be attainable anywhere else honestly, because it just once again makes your achievements in pvp and raids much, much less. Especially if for the most part what you get out of high rated pvp is looks these days(and in the future)
Maybe they could make these sets available in modified versions, a bit less good looking. And only after new and better raid/pvp gear has been added to the game.	
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I would love to get my hands on stalker pvp gear as a warrior, but what? 
 
PvP is pretty messed up right now, with 1800s facerolling beginners and blue gear in practice matches because of the dramatic difference between gear tiers
 
Pvp gear has been fixed for a while now and it is pretty damn balanced... when will people stop posting stuff like this? Most people do not seem to know gear is now fine <.<
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			I have another idea. How about you actually work and get better to EARN them so you can wear it with pride? It will mean that much more to you than just another dress you're putting on your digital barbie. Seriously, why do so many people feel like they're entitled to stuff nowadays? I worked my ass off the legitimate way to get my stalker t2 pvp set and I wear it with pride (as cliche as that sounds). You shouldn't take part of that feeling away because this guy wants to play dress-up Carbine- keep some elements of "hardcore" in this game please. If people like this want to grind/buy some special costume set without requiring any specific skill, then make a special set specifically for that purpose.	
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Yeah... i can see that. I just don't want, say, a lvl 15 stalker alt wearing high end stalker raid gear as a costume, cuz he can. Now if someone earned that tier of raiding on a character, then I think I'd be ok with a high end raiding stalker having access to warrior or esper gear of that level.
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I have another idea. How about you actually work and get better to EARN them so you can wear it with pride? It will mean that much more to you than just another dress you're putting on your digital barbie. Seriously, why do so many people feel like they're entitled to stuff nowadays? I worked my ass off the legitimate way to get my stalker t2 pvp set and I wear it with pride (as cliche as that sounds). You shouldn't take part of that feeling away because this guy wants to play dress-up Carbine- keep some elements of "hardcore" in this game please. If people like this want to grind/buy some special costume set without requiring any specific skill, then make a special set specifically for that purpose.
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			I'd love for this to happen. I really want to get some of the PvP armour sets, just for costumes, but can't do so as I don't like doing any sort of PvP.	
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 Im not so sure I can support this... Part of the prestige of sporting those styles comes from working towards earning them. Take that out of the equation and those particular armor items and weapons become nothing more than stat slots. By that logic why not make the artifact weapons a costume item as well.. we all know how bad that would look for hose trying to actually get one...if there is such a player atm.
 
Maybe if they released those styles later on down the line say after the next pvp season is released or the next set of raids it wouldn't be so much of an issue..but right now that's the current hawt gear and it should stay that way..
 
Im all for vanity but some looks you gotta earn em if their en vogue.. however we do need more diverse and attractive costume opptions (hint..hint..spellslinger wearing old western lingerie that would be cool like in old spaghetti westerns tasteful and yet sexy).. the selection is pretty bland with the exception of a few items and sets.	
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 Im not so sure I can support this... Part of the prestige of sporting those styles comes from working towards earning them. Take that out of the equation and those particular armor items and weapons become nothing more than stat slots. By that logic why not make the artifact weapons a costume item as well.. we all know how bad that would look for hose trying to actually get one...if there is such a player atm.
 
Maybe if they released those styles later on down the line say after the next pvp season is released or the next set of raids it wouldn't be so much of an issue..but right now that's the current hawt gear and it should stay that way..
 
Im all for vanity but some looks you gotta earn em if their en vogue.. however we do need more diverse and attractive costume opptions (hint..hint..spellslinger wearing old western lingerie that would be cool like in old spaghetti westerns tasteful and yet sexy).. the selection is pretty bland with the exception of a few items and sets.
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Since some people don't seem to be getting this, allow me to provide some visual aids.
 
 
This is an Aurin in Warrior PvP gear, as seen through Galaxy Library. The models are there, but Aurin can't be Warriors, so it is completely impossible for an Aurin player to get this set. But even if they could, my Aurin is a Stalker. What if I wanted this armor set for my Aurin, whom I PvP with? There's no logical reason why I shouldn't be able to spend my Prestige on this set if I want to.
 
And what if my Chua ran Datascape over and over again. Why shouldn't I get this, because let's face it, it's hilarious:
 
 
(I think that's from Datascape, I have no idea since I haven't done it. I just PvP and quest right now)
 
Now before anyone argues that these models are probably just early preparation for additional race/class combinations, yes that's most likely what they are. But the point still stands: In a game that advertises a high level of character customization, why not let people access it all, regardless of class?
 
Would new models just for costuming be better, if only to keep the handful of loud kiddies happy? For the most part yes, but the problem with that is that making new models takes a huge amount of time. Every model has to fit to every possible combination of race, body type, and sex, checked for clipping against the character and other armor models, and rigged. None of these things overlap between race/size/sex, each is done separately. So since the models are already being fit this way for some other reason, it makes more sense from a business standpoint to just make all of them visible in the Prestige/Elder/whatever vendors, instead of only showing you your own class. Making entirely new items would take too long.
 
I tend to not be very good with words. Is my point clearer now?	
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On one hand I support classes having unique armor styles. It's handy because I can look at someone and go 'Okay you are a _____.' It's good if you're wearing one too since it gives you a feeling of belonging to your class, that you're representing your skill set, almost like a uniform. It's also beneficial in PVP because you'd know from looking at someone (if you're strategic) just what you're getting in to.
 
On the other hand, I fully fully support having awesome amazing new costumes wearable by all made in the future, sooner preferred, because there's no excuse for non-raid sets being lackluster. If someone wants to raid because the gear is better and has better numbers, fine, have the better numbers. Costumers and RPers are the ones that want costumes and graphics for dress up.	
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On one hand I support classes having unique armor styles. It's handy because I can look at someone and go 'Okay you are a _____.' It's good if you're wearing one too since it gives you a feeling of belonging to your class, that you're representing your skill set, almost like a uniform. It's also beneficial in PVP because you'd know from looking at someone (if you're strategic) just what you're getting in to.
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			Well, I'll be the one to say that I want to costume anything regardless of armor type and regardless of level. As I said on the last page, this was pretty much how TERA's system worked (minus the armor type - it restricted you in that respect), and I had an absolute blast outfitting my lowbie alts in higher level gear. It was great for RP and it made leveling them even more fun, because I could look awesome.	
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I know y'all have already been fitting PvP and raid armor to races that don't have access to the armor's class, so why not make those models available for costuming purposes? Maybe make them high-tier crafted, or something like that. Or just make the existing PvP and raid sets buyable by everyone, but only equipable as armor for the given class.
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			How about, once you earn that piece of gear from a PVP vendor or Raid Drop, you unlock the ability to buy costume pieces of the sets you cannot wear? Would keep the feeling of earning the gear (which should totally stay) but gives say, a slinger a chance to wear Warrior PVP gear.	
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Well, I'll be the one to say that I want to costume anything regardless of armor type and regardless of level.
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It only works for armor types higher than your own. A plate-wearer cannot equip higher level cloth or leather, or plate. And so on.
 
I just hope the bug is the part restricting people, and not the part that gives some people some freedom of costume.	
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Can you please explain to me how I misunderstand your suggestions here? You are not only talking about mixing class gear for costumes, but also making them available for anyone to buy or craft (for costuming purposes). I think you should go back and read your own post before suggesting that others have misinterpreted you.
 
This just simply isn't true. Anyone who has played enough pvp knows this. Do you really think one single 1800 geared player with 5% better stats than pvp blues really makes a big difference in a battleground of 10 players? I know plenty of people who have got their 1800 gear the legitimate way and it doesn't require a solid guild since arena has nothing to do with that. Is it easy? No, but it is certainly doable.
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While I would love to get my hands on the end-game armors, the truth is that it would take away almost all motivation to push for that content afterwards for me.
 
Other players love to get the gameplay value of something, but many like me do it for the loot or the way the loot looks. :P (aka, armors, weapons, mounts etc).	
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Class specific gear is fine, especially at the Raid/ top teir PvP level. It should not be available as costumes for everyone. 
 
There should be some gear that is unambiguously 'Medic', and unambiguously 'Engineer', that other classes can wear, but not at the raid level. Leave those class and raid specific. 
 
 
Gear exclusivity is a GOOD thing as implemented (with all gear being costumeable, besides other class raid gear).	
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A team of blues that know what they're doing getting wiped multiple times by a team with a few 1800s says different. My characters, and those of others, geared in full sets of PvP blues can be killed in one to three hits by players in 1800 gear. And don't tell me to stay out of telegraphs, that's impossible in Battlegrounds, especially if you're a tankier player.
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cant disagree more some people work very hard to get that look not only for the stats 
 
 
whoop everyone ends up running with the same crap cause it looks cool	
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I assumed anyone reading the thread would have the common sense to realize that I wasn't talking about a freebie. ;) Crafting research items is pretty dang annoying (unlocking them, specifically) and earning PvP and raid gear takes time as well, so those are viable methods that don't devalue equipable stat gear.
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			Ugh, I really have no idea how to make myself clearer, so I'm not going to bother trying any further. J-Tal obviously understood what I meant despite my poor wordsmithing, and that's all I really care about.	
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Like I said to the last person that said this: You can't get it at all if you're not that class. No weird monster helmets for Spellslingers, no fabulous flowing robes Warriors, no robot goat legs for Espers. And several people, self included, suggested keeping it all as PvP/raid gear, just unlocked for all classes.
 
Getting it free was not suggested in the OP. What was suggested was all classes being able to get it. However, for that to work, PvP has to work, and anyone playing Battlegrounds can tell you, it's practically an automatic loss if more than one person on the opposing team has 1800 Arena gear, so right now no one's getting any of it anyway unless they win trade or have a very solid guild.
 
tl;dr: Costume =/= free
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