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I have been playing WS since the beginning of beta, pre-ordered, got the special edition, beta'd, all of that. I enjoy the game. I have no problems waiting for bugs to be worked out, and class balance to be worked etc...I have no problem waiting for broken quests or any of that.But it has been months, and there still is not a right click report for bots yet...or a way to remove ppl from a game...
 
I have been all about WS, and I have gotten a bunch of my friends to play...and now I am back to being the only one left because they all unsubbed bc pvp is a joke with the bots. I am not telling anyone else to play this game..
 
If there is no right click "vote to kick" or at least a right click "report player" added very soon, I am also unsubbing... Not that you guys care about a single sub, but I know that I am not the only one that feels this way, especially since my level of excitement over this game was so high... I can only imagine where everyone is at regarding subs that were only playing to see how the game was.
 
The whole point of this is that there are bugs, and I get it that they are probably a lot of work to iron out... but there are a few things that are literally game breaking for certain aspects of the game, and when the fixes are so simple, on top of those fixes being asked for repeatedly, it makes it seem like you guys don't really care a whole lot. There needs to be some prioritization..	
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Seriously.....being able to kick bots out in pvp is pretty basic idea.
 
We need this!	
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			I thought I saw something about how that was suppose to be in Drop 2. I wonder if its going in a upcoming hotfix (hopefully one that is right around the corner(like this week)).	
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well, they posted this ont eh 18th of july
 
Pyaray
Pyaray
Carbine Studios Staff
Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:11 PM
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Rodek, on 18 Jul 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:
 
Any chance we could get an update on what kind of progress has been made to disable the bot scripts?
I can't really comment on anything else in your post, but I wanted to comment on this.  The "bot scripts" as you call them aren't something we can disable, they aren't using our scripting system to do this kind of thing.  They are using external programs that we have no control over that inject things into our game.
 
We are making progress, as you've seen many posts say that the bots have gone down drastically.  I've stated before, this will be an ongoing thing, every time we make a change, they will too.  It takes us longer to make a change because we have to make sure we don't break other things whenever we do, they don't care if they break the game for others (clearly), so they're way less cautious.  And to be honest, there are probably more people working on hacking our game than total engineers we employ.  Heck, for all I know, there may be more people trying to hack our game than the entire headcount of the company.
 
We will continue to make progress, they will continue to fight against our progress.  We will not stop.  We really are making daily progress, and there really are less bots each and every day.  You are right though, it really doesn't take many to be really annoying.  And that's why we will continue to fight them.
 
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Because I'm already talking about it, many of the botters are hacked account, please make sure your accounts are secure with 2 factor auth, and virus scans and everything else to keep your accounts and computer safe.  Use a unique password for WildStar, don't use the same password as you do on web sites.  And please, don't visit their sites or buy their stuff, if nobody bought gold from these people, it would stop being profitable, and they would go away.  These all seem like really obvious statements, but...  *shrug*
Edited by Pyaray, 18 July 2014 - 07:33 PM.
 
 
i get that you're frustrated and all, but i'm not sure that they can do a lot more than that.	
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first, I dont pvp, but get how this would be and has been, a serious issues in many mmo's
 
problem is, that they are likely trying to implement a way to do so that will not be misused by people to kick "undesirables"
 
how they would implement that, I have no clue	
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			Wish it really was that simple. If we had to wait for an MMO to be bug free and hack proof, there wouldn't be an MMO to play.	
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			kicking undesirables wouldn't happen very often in WS...at least I don't think it would. Most classes bring something to the table...generally (I've seen it in other games) if they make it so that voting to kick someone required 5 ppl to say yes, the ones that get kicked are the btos, or the ones that say screw you guys I am gonna watch family guy while you guys play ...	
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kicking undesirables wouldn't happen very often in WS...at least I don't think it would. Most classes bring something to the table...generally (I've seen it in other games) if they make it so that voting to kick someone required 5 ppl to say yes, the ones that get kicked are the btos, or the ones that say screw you guys I am gonna watch family guy while you guys play ...
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kicking undesirables wouldn't happen very often in WS...at least I don't think it would. Most classes bring something to the table...generally (I've seen it in other games) if they make it so that voting to kick someone required 5 ppl to say yes, the ones that get kicked are the btos, or the ones that say screw you guys I am gonna watch family guy while you guys play ...
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Or just someone unpopular on the server, for whatever reason.
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Hey..this is a social game...if you are that unpopular, it's probably your own fault....
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Nah, that would be understandable for a premade group, but if people can just boot others in PUGs that they don't like, it would be abusable. Needs some kind of safety measure in place to prevent that.
 
Edit: An easy example is the mentality of kicking people in FPS's. If a vote comes up, most people automatically push the first option, regardless of whether or not they even know who/what the vote is about. It's a mob mentality that assumes someone must have had a reason to start the vote in the first place, and can be easily swayed by two to three people.
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But if they made it like an 60-70% yes threshold, most ppl that got booted would deserve it.
 
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I have been playing WS since the beginning of beta
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The hardest part is that a PVP bots aren't like PVE bots.  PVE bots are meant to make money, PVP bots are meant to look real.  So you've got more options dealing with a telehacking mining bot, your one option is to somehow nail people for suspicious behavior automatically in PVP, which isn't easy to do when the bot is doing nothing but trying to blend in.
 
And, as Wiawyr pointed out, it would not necessarily be used for its intended purpose.
 
It may work with a few modifications, though.  Is there a way that repeated reports can lead to a banning (since it's hard to get booted from multiple, random, cross-realm BGs unless you're actually a bot) or that people unfairly banned that can prove they were unfairly banned can have it disabled?
 
I'm not sure, I don't PVP much, so other people are the experts.	
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Seriously.....being able to kick bots out in pvp is pretty basic idea.
 
We need this!
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			That's towards the end of closed beta when I pre-ordered and set up my current account..... I started playing in beta before that when I had to scour the internet to get keys each round of beta testing.... and that really doesn't change that I've been patiently waiting since launch for bots to get taken care of... and there is no progress. 	
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			In b4 "Hey guys we were winning the BG and just before it ended i got kicked out of my group by a bunch of peeps who thought it would be funny"	
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The bots are getting real smart too.
 
The new script runs them from spawn to cave, tries to steal a mask, then tries to run it back out the cave, running right over the speed boosts on both ways.
 
If you attack them, they turn around, use 2-3 attacks, then go back to running the same path.  Pretty nuts what people can come up with to circumvent playing the game.	
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There is a addon called BotZapper. It auto detects bots and alerts you when one is nearby. It Automatically fills out a ticket with all the valuable information carbine needs. All you have to do is click report and it sends a ticket. I have reported probably 15 bots all of which i have never seen agian and i have received emails from carbine saying they have taken care of them.
 
i HIGHLY suggest everyone take 1min to download the addon and stop bitching about not having a right click report bot.... for reals your going to quit over something like that?	
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I just want to point out that ESO had GMS chilling on servers banning auto-spam bots that were killing solo-dungeon bosses.
 
There's no reason wildstar can't do the same. Other than the fact that this game seems to be trying to compete with comcast for worst customer support.	
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			I like the mods that are reporting these guys...and I get it taht it is probably pretty tough to track them..but the kick function has worked in many games for the most part...the good heavily outweighs the bad... without a doubt	
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I like the mods that are reporting these guys...and I get it taht it is probably pretty tough to track them..but the kick function has worked in many games for the most part...the good heavily outweighs the bad... without a doubt
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Hey all,
 
We actually have a pretty long dev thread on bots going on right here - https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/89816-continue-the-bot-wars-do/, so I'm going to go ahead and lock this one.	
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