Day 51/Transcript

: Gary: Still nothing?
: Walter: They're still not answering.
: Gary: But you've been...
: Walter: Yeah, calling every 30 minutes, just like you asked. They haven't answered in days. How long we gonna keep trying?
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: Ron: Let me make sure I'm getting this right. David Koresh believes the opening of the fifth seal begins when Babylon, the ATF...
: Professor Tabor: Mm-hm.
: Ron: ...attacks the "peculiar people."
: Professor Tabor: Right, the Branch Davidians.
: Ron: Then there's a quote. "Little season of waiting."
: Professor Tabor: Yes, that's what they believe they're in right now.
: Ron: And that little season culminates in a second round of bloodshed in which the rest of them are killed.
: Professor Tabor: Exactly. But where this gets interesting is the interpretation of the little season. Um, in Biblical terms, that could be a month or a decade. It's not specific. And the word "season" in the Bible is a translation of the Greek word "kairos," which actually means...
: David: Time.
: Professor Tabor: ..."time" more than "season." So, you can think of it like "right time" versus a literal season. These people are not crazy. David Koresh is not crazy. His theology follows a coherent logic. Agree with it or not, there's something to it.
: Ron: If you say so, I believe you. Uh... Let's open up this conversation to some callers. Uh, Derek, you're on the air.
: Derek: Hey, Ron. Say, I'm, uh-- I'm one of the camera guys that's standing out here watching Mount Carmel. Something occurred to me. You know how the Branch Davidians have no way of communicating with the outside world? I've been thinking. There's this huge satellite dish on their roof. I mean, if we can somehow get them to listen to your show, we can ask 'em "yes or no" questions and they could move the dish to answer, right?
: David: Thibs.
: Steve: Go, go. Go.
: Ron: That's not a bad idea. I guess the question would then be, "How do we get them to listen to my show?"
: Derek: Whoa. Ron, they just moved it. They moved the dish.
: Ron: They did?
: David: Again!
: Ron: Are you guys listening to me in there?
: Steve: Again! Come on, Thibs!
: Derek: They moved it again.
: Ron: That's a "yes."
: David: We have communications!
: Ron: That's a "yes." Um, hi, guys...
: Steve: We have communications.
: Ron: Is there anything you need?
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: Dick DeGuerin: My name is Dick DeGuerin. David Koresh's lawyer.
: Jack Zimmerman: Jack Zimmerman. Steve Schneider's lawyer.
: Dick DeGuerin: We'd like to speak with our clients.
: Ron: Ron Engelman, KGBS.
: Tony: You can't be serious. You expect me to, what, just let you walk up there and knock on the front door?
: Dick DeGuerin: We filed a writ of habeas corpus.
: Tony: That only applies when someone's in custody.
: Jack Zimmerman: Well, if they're not in custody, we'll arrange transportation so they can leave.
: Tony: They haven't even asked for a lawyer.
: Dick DeGuerin: Yes, they have. They're asking for their lawyers in front of the whole world. Now... what do you think's gonna happen to you when this whole case is dismissed... because you refused them the right to counsel?
: Steve: David, they're coming.
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: Dick DeGuerin: ATF claim that you shot at them first through those front doors, but the metal bends inward. They claim their helicopters didn't fire, but the holes in Jaydean's room are clearly from above. We have recordings, the 911s, Wayne made of you trying to surrender. Trust me on this, gentlemen, any jury sees this at all, you got a hell of a case for self-defense here.
: David: This is the U.S. government we're up against, and you're sitting here telling me we're gonna get a fair shake?
: Jack Zimmerman: The government doesn't sit on the jury. People like y'all do.
: Dick DeGuerin: Let me ask you this. If you were on that jury and you saw that front door, what would your verdict be?
: David: What's the plan? What's the strategy here?
: Dick DeGuerin: The plan is we go for full acquittal.
: David: Full acquittal? (sees them out to the front door) Thanks again.
: Dick DeGuerin: We'll be in touch.
: Steve: You realize we're standing outside.
: David: I know. What do you think?
: Steve: The theologian on the radio show, the little season... the camera man calling in, the satellite... the lawyers... All of this doesn't happen by chance. Come on.
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: Walter: Gary!
: Gary: Hello? Hello? Hello?
: David: Gary?
: Gary: Oh, David. I have to say I've missed the sound of your voice, brother. What's going on?
: David: Something special happened today, Gary. Something I can't see as anything short of a miracle.
: Gary: What are you saying?
: David: I got my sign from God, Gary. We're coming out. But first, I want to protect the message that we have going on in here. So, when I go to jail, I can spend all my time answering the stupid questions. Like, "Why do you have so many wives in there?" and "Why are you torturing babies?" 'Cause once I finish writing those seven seals, I will personally walk out that front door, and you can throw me in the jailhouse and come on down and feed me bananas for all you want.
: Gary: I'll come feed you anything you like. How long will it take you to write it?
: David: Oh, I'm thinking a week, a week or so.
: Gary: Are you telling me that once you have reduced your version of the seven seals to written form, that you and all your people are coming out of there?
: David: I have no reason to draw this out any longer, Gary.
: Gary: Please answer the question definitively. Are you coming out as soon as you're done?
: David: Gary, I'm going to fulfill my commitment to God. Now, if you would allow me to show you what has been pre-written by the prophets, you'll have a way better understanding of what's going on in here.
: Gary: I am asking you a very simple question, David. I need--
: David: I'm gonna give you a very simple answer. Yes, yes, yes! We have no intention of dying in here, Gary.
: Gary: Okay, David. Well, I'm gonna let you get to work because, frankly, I am eagerly awaiting that manuscript.
: David: Well, I tell you what. It's gonna blow your socks off, Gary.
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: Tony: My concern is... we gotta make sure that their field...
: Gary: They're surrendering. We're gonna work out the details of the surrender while David writes down his interpretation of the seven seals. Then they'll come out.
: Mitch: How long is that gonna take?
: Gary: They're guessing a week.
: Mitch: Tell them to take a few extra days. Maybe knock out his memoirs while he's at it.
: Gary: I just got off the phone with the man, okay? He told me, "I never intended to die in here." Those are his words, okay? But... Koresh's biggest fear is being silenced before he can share his message with the world. If we let him write it, he will come out peacefully.
: Mitch: It's just another stall tactic. You're not taking this seriously, are you?
: Gary: Mitch, we've been here six weeks. What's one more?
: Mitch: I know how long we've been here.
: Gary: One more.
: Tony: All right, Gary, start working out the details of surrender, and let's see if it happens. I can buy you one week.
: Gary: Yeah, thanks. Yeah.
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