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The snow is so bad here that the Uni called a snow day. So nexus all day. 
 
 	
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Wednesdays are rough due to RL errands.  Unfortunately the weather didn't cooperate and the snow didn't start until this morning so I was still on the hook to get the kid to and from his night class.  There's enough going on that I pretty much start fading out around 11pm.  Consequently I didn't do any content (not even dailies). 
 
I did pick up a full blue PvP set (3+p, ow).  Nothing's runed so I'm down about 2k AP and 900 mainstat.  I feel so nekkid.  But I am up to 90% PvP-O and 47% PvP-D.  I also picked up LAS3 so when I build that out that'll give me another 3% PvP-O.	
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Wanted to welcome Nifty Engi back to the States and to Nexus proper! :D  She's best known as the creator of Wildstar videos such as these.  For those of you who haven't had the privilege to meet her yet (she's been in and out of circulation since she started her move from overseas), she's one of the kindest and most valuable members of our community.  Her positivity brings out the best in me.
 
 
Last night, I finished my TL;DR of the housing stream which... yeah, if you haven't had the chance yet, Tony really loves our community.  That was a sputtering train wreck.  But at least we got something.  After that was done, I logged in and immediately got sucked into housing again, this time playing around with the lighting on the Waist.  I think I've got it all set up, so you guys can tell me what you think...
 
 
I didn't run much content last night, but chatted with the guildies while I moved things around.  I also added a few more additions.  Noise cancelling speakerbots at all the private conversation stations, a bit more work on the lobby, and a few more things I didn't have at the kitchenette in the bilge.  Just a bit of fine tuning.  I've still got decor space for 200 pieces in the bilge, so we'll see what else I can cram in there.  I will take more pictures, possibly a video, as soon as possible to post up here, but if you want to drop by, visit the plot of Nightengale Donne on Exile on Entity.  Saturday, we'll be hosting a war stories night, so everyone can tell great character stories of war, glory, and loss.  It'll be all night Saturday night, probably starting around 8 or 9pm.
 
We're also gearing up for Thaydfest!  The Blazing Saddles are hosting the dueling competition and a mounted race, with the grand prize packages including a CREDD each!  Make sure you're there bright and early at 1pm eastern, since the fight club kicks off early.
 
Tonight, if I can stop playing with housing, I'm planning on helping out.  I know Naunet and Jack showed up looking to run Vet Adventures, and it was a bit late last night for me to participate.  But if you guys want, I can be down tonight to tank a few.  Let me know what you guys need!
 
I'll see you all on Nexus!
 
PS:  Bonus, pics of our HRB run, the full raid pre-show and my Blazing Saddles brethren standing on the corpse!
 
 	
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Yesterday I got to find out that one of our kitties is a sickly asthmatic. Yay! xD Poor guy. Thank god for modern veterinary medicine.
 
I kind of poked around doing dailies on my warrior for a bit, waiting for my SO to get home from setting up pre-orders for his next book. So glad that's done! Today we find out whether or not I'm gonna need to find a better paying job... urgh.
 
There wasn't much time for us to play together by the time he was done with all his stuff, but we did get in the daily shiphand. It's nice to have content that just the two of us can do that's pretty fun. Wanted to do the daily adventure too, but there were no biters so... another time, I suppose. xD Hopefully we'll have more than just an hour together today...	
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Yesterday I got to find out that one of our kitties is a sickly asthmatic. Yay! xD Poor guy. Thank god for modern veterinary medicine.
 
I kind of poked around doing dailies on my warrior for a bit, waiting for my SO to get home from setting up pre-orders for his next book. So glad that's done! Today we find out whether or not I'm gonna need to find a better paying job... urgh.
 
There wasn't much time for us to play together by the time he was done with all his stuff, but we did get in the daily shiphand. It's nice to have content that just the two of us can do that's pretty fun. Wanted to do the daily adventure too, but there were no biters so... another time, I suppose. xD Hopefully we'll have more than just an hour together today...
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Spending a lot of time in housing lately, but almost finished the academy! I'm maxed outside and about 500/1000 inside, though I'll have to stop around 750 because there are too many items in my crate I'm not willing to delete. :P
 
Excited about Thaydfest and the housing contest. Lots of entrants, and after checking out the Domside plots, I'm quite impressed. Some excellent work out there, I encourage all Dominion players to check out the list on our Entity forums and go see some of these great plots! Neph and the BDs are doing a great job organizing, I really appreciate that the judges are reaching out to builders to organize a time to visit the plot with us there. <3
 
0-50 was funny this week, I'm glad Tony stuck it out to try and that last place seemed awesome. However... (critical time!)...  although I understand the desire to show off your more active faction, I'm not happy that the already healthy Exiles are getting a housing showcase while the Dominion seem like an afterthought. Plus I'm still nursing an annoyance after that whole failure with the housing video Carbine requested submissions for, and was supposed to produce, but then never did. And the contributors never got a word of follow-up, which is borderline disrespectful imo. So yea, props to Tony, but I'm not at all happy with Carbine's response to the faction imbalance, or player houses, or their community-building efforts in general.	
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Spending a lot of time in housing lately, but almost finished the academy! I'm maxed outside and about 500/1000 inside, though I'll have to stop around 750 because there are too many items in my crate I'm not willing to delete. :P
 
Excited about Thaydfest and the housing contest. Lots of entrants, and after checking out the Domside plots, I'm quite impressed. Some excellent work out there, I encourage all Dominion players to check out the list on our Entity forums and go see some of these great plots! Neph and the BDs are doing a great job organizing, I really appreciate that the judges are reaching out to builders to organize a time to visit the plot with us there. <3
 
0-50 was funny this week, I'm glad Tony stuck it out to try and that last place seemed awesome. However... (critical time!)...  although I understand the desire to show off your more active faction, I'm not happy that the already healthy Exiles are getting a housing showcase while the Dominion seem like an afterthought. Plus I'm still nursing an annoyance after that whole failure with the housing video Carbine requested submissions for, and was supposed to produce, but then never did. And the contributors never got a word of follow-up, which is borderline disrespectful imo. So yea, props to Tony, but I'm not at all happy with Carbine's response to the faction imbalance, or player houses, or their community-building efforts in general.
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To be fair, we had a vote, and you guys voted to make us put up with him on our faction.  I voted for him to be a Chua, so you can't blame Carbine.  I wanted you guys to have him.
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Letting the community vote on that was never a wise idea. I mean, when you've got a large majority and you decide to determine the outcome by vote... uh, well... is it surprising the majority voted the majority in? :P
 
Any person with a wee bit of foresight could have seen that the odds of Tony playing an Exile Aurin were very, very high, so I'm not inclined to write off Carbine's responsibility for this show's favouritism, haha.
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Letting the community vote on that was never a wise idea. I mean, when you've got a large majority and you decide to determine the outcome by vote... uh, well... is it surprising the majority voted the majority in? :P
 
Any person with a wee bit of foresight could have seen that the odds of Tony playing an Exile Aurin were very, very high, so I'm not inclined to write off Carbine's responsibility for this show's favouritism, haha.
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Yea, I absolutely believe this game's majority race (Aurin) voted Aurin in. You think the players who chose Dominion, many of whom openly express resentment or condescension toward Aurin, voted them in? :P
 
(and to be clear, I have no problem with Aurin myself!)	
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Yea, I absolutely believe this game's majority race (Aurin) voted Aurin in. You think the players who chose Dominion, many of whom openly express resentment or condescension toward Aurin, voted them in? :P
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Yea, I absolutely believe this game's majority race (Aurin) voted Aurin in. You think the players who chose Dominion, many of whom openly express resentment or condescension toward Aurin, voted them in? :P
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I voted for him to be a Chua and I am Human and Aurin Exile.
 
Okay, time to turn this thread around :)
 
Good Morning/Almost Afternoon Everyone!
 
 
Had a fantastic time last night doing the Defile area with Khandi, Koob, Taerse, and a new member Stubbs. Lightshire was just chaos fun. If you guys ever get the chance to go with Koob on one of these, do so! He's a crazy Aurin Stalker who reminds me of the Energizer Bunny. I find it really chaotic and fun! :wub:
 
Not enough time to do all the things I wanted to do last night. But there is always tonight :P
 
Back to work I go. Have a great day!!
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Poor Parthenia, too.  Her screen was stuttering badly.  Her hardware is so old...
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I had a few moments where mine stuttered some. I was like .. oh no you don't!
 
Seemed to clear itself up though, after I threatened it LOL
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Poor Parth's on a 2.9 ghz AMD and a seven year old GPU, though.  She really, really needs an upgrade.
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Awww my poor Parth :( I didn't realize it was that bad.
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More likely than us!  We're sick of Aurin!  You think I would ever vote for Tony to be sullying my faction and playing as a twiggy rabbit person?
 
No offense strictly intended to the twiggy rabbit people in the Saddles.
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Morning Everyone!
 
Ground renown for several hours last night to pick up my last ability point. Cripes when you have 250k renown you'd think the last 50k would be easy but bleh. Anyway, I now have my max amount of ability points! Which will (hopefully) mean my raid damage will skyrocket. I haven't done the numbers yet but I'm guessing the third T8 ability will bump me up to around 7k DPS. Would be nice to break the next milestone ^^	
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Big girl panties pulled up....?  :huh:   Did she just take a poo!?
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I'm sure people on both sides didn't want Aurin to be representative of the game. :lol:
 
But all said, I think the point stands— as Wildstar's only official community show, it should have been conceptualized with balanced representation in mind. Or...
 
And here's the part that sticks for me. It's not 0-50 that I have an issue with at core, it's that 0-50 is currently the only official channel paying any attention to player housing. If that video Carbine claimed they were making hadn't gone into the garbage months ago, I would be substantially less sensitive to the Exile side getting special treatment. At this point I feel like I want more from the community team in terms of reach-out.
 
I have no idea if this is possible within the budget confines and boundaries laid out by (dirty, dirty) management. But one can hope!
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-Pokes head in- herro everyone! I am still alive, though been ao busy i havent even had time to.lurk the forums. Between the snow, ice, work and fiancee ive been utterly swamped with this to do. I am going through a major wildstar withdraw its not funny. But hopefully soon i will be a lil less busy with time to play :D
 
Glad to see everyone is doing great :) hopefully ill be back on nexus soon	
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You know, that's a gap in the community right there.  Somebody should do a Lifestyles of the Rich And Famous for Wildstar!
 
If you actually want there to be exposure for the community in housing, my God do you not want that to be done on Zero to Fifty.
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I'd appreciate any indication that they care from the community team/those who direct it, doesn't matter which show or where as long as it's somewhat balanced. Right now we're what, eight months out of the gate, and from what I've seen not a single thing has been actually carried out to promote what is arguably the game's most successful feature. It's a serious lack, and what's more, with the garbage visiting system, absence of guest book, and fizzling of linked plot concept (so it seems), housing needs all it can get to keep that part of the community involved. Building is awesome by itself, but the time and resources required make it a big investment and if it's left in the dark more builders (I say more because I know a bunch who have left already) will be gone. :(
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-Pokes head in- herro everyone! I am still alive, though been ao busy i havent even had time to.lurk the forums. Between the snow, ice, work and fiancee ive been utterly swamped with this to do. I am going through a major wildstar withdraw its not funny. But hopefully soon i will be a lil less busy with time to play :D
 
Glad to see everyone is doing great :) hopefully ill be back on nexus soon
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Tony does show off his own plot at least once a show for about a month.  He likes housing.  However, it's just a show to show some idiot playing.  He isn't going to go into real specifics or show great techniques anymore than he shows off the finer points of DPS Spellslinger.  That's far better handled by the community.
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Well you're kind of moving away from my point here. I'm not looking for a Tony Tutorial, I'm looking for Carbine to step up and show the world what housing in Wildstar can do, and what the players ARE doing right now!
 
If 0-50 is going to be their only attempt to reach out, and consequently their only attempt to show player housing (even with this being a first time thing, a forum thread was made asking for submissions so this is more than just tangential wandering), then imo it should be done in a balanced and thoughtful way.
 
If they don't want 0-50 to be a housing showcase, cool. Then make another show or send even one employee out to capture video and put it up. Can't be that hard for the studio that made the game to flex some of its muscles. ;)
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There was a vote? I mean a large population of the game is Aurin, so I can see that being the popular vote. I think that if he had gone dominion, and put the community plot there it might have convinced some people to balance out the population problem. 
 
Omeed, if you read this I want you to roll up something Dominion....Also I still want my grappling hook. 
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Dominion is the only way to go. 
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I think you are greatly overplaying Tony's ability to showcase something with depth and nuance.  I would absolutely pick about a hundred players before I started considering Tony to run a housing showcase.
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I've written nothing that argues Tony would be a good host or that he has to be the one. :P
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Unfortunately, with everyone else doing real work, Tony would have to be the one.  They don't have anyone else now that Frost is gone.
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Well considering your desire to have the Shadowcaster on 0-50, let's just agree that it's a nice thing to have our effort recognized by official channels. ;) And that'll bring me back to my original point that I'd like to see nice things for the Dominion too.
 
And don't get me wrong, my intention isn't to sidetrack everyone's fun— I would love for Tony to revisit Exile houses next week. That DC bug was some bad luck and bad timing, so I absolutely don't want them to just abandon the idea. As well, Tony expressed a desire to show Dominion and European housing in his thread asking for submissions, so I want to be clear that I'm not criticizing him.
 
But having been twice burned in the past, I'm going to be a bit more vocal this time around instead of waiting several months when the issue is considered dead and gets no attention. :ph34r:
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If you're just looking to have someone show up on the plot, not get to anything cool on it, and completely not know how most things are built, then may you get what you wish. :)
 
I kind of thought you wanted housing to be spotlighted.  The reason I want to have the Shadowcaster on the show is entirely based around pure selfish ego.  It has nothing to do with wanting to spotlight housing, nor the Exiles.  It's entirely because we have one of the best guild hangouts in the game and I want to lean back and soak in the envy.
 
If that's the case, though, carry on!  I just didn't think that's what you wanted because you sounded somewhat altruistic and worried about your faction.
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I'm going to be brutally honest here. The shadowcaster is neat, and well made, but it's empty. You have one of the best designed empty hangouts there is. 
So not really a hangout at all. 
 
Start throwing events to get the guild into using it as a default location. Then you can call it a hangout. 
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Well it's both I guess. I want to ensure fair representation of the Dominion, mostly because we're the underdog. Our population is currently good enough for me, but it's still low enough to be susceptible to the snowball effect where some folks get bored and leave, then others see friends gone and do the same. Playing Dominion has often felt... precarious. I want that paranoia to go away completely. It was bad enough back in December that when my best pal in-game left, I would have paid up to $50 to transfer to Exile if they'd let us.
 
On the other hand, it's the ego thing too, but still altruistic in a way because I want the ego reward for others as well as myself. I've put over 100 hours into my current academy build, I know so well how taxing it can be to sit at a computer for hours building, nevermind grinding the bulk decor out. Especially with a few of the more bothersome bugs like the vector swap. That kind of dedication should be rewarded.
 
Now, I wouldn't normally expect a studio to go out of its way to pat players on the back in public media. That seems unreasonable. The time you spend in the game should be reward enough and for me, right now, it is. But again, in this situation I feel my faction needs some love. And then on the other hand— not even talking about myself here— I've seen some jaw-dropping plots that would make me buy this game in a heartbeat if I wasn't already in. So why not show them off? It seems pretty win-win to me, and if Carbine doesn't produce a decent quality video with some of the Thaydfest winners before their first year is up, I will be gravely disappointed... for whatever that's worth. :P
 
 
 	
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Well it's both I guess. I want to ensure fair representation of the Dominion, mostly because we're the underdog. Our population is currently good enough for me, but it's still low enough to be susceptible to the snowball effect where some folks get bored and leave, then others see friends gone and do the same. Playing Dominion has often felt... precarious. I want that paranoia to go away completely. It was bad enough back in December that when my best pal in-game left, I would have paid up to $50 to transfer to Exile if they'd let us.
 
On the other hand, it's the ego thing too, but still altruistic in a way because I want the ego reward for others as well as myself. I've put over 100 hours into my current academy build, I know so well how taxing it can be to sit at a computer for hours building, nevermind grinding the bulk decor out. Especially with a few of the more bothersome bugs like the vector swap. That kind of dedication should be rewarded.
 
Now, I wouldn't normally expect a studio to go out of its way to pat players on the back in public media. That seems unreasonable. The time you spend in the game should be reward enough and for me, right now, it is. But again, in this situation I feel my faction needs some love. And then on the other hand— not even talking about myself here— I've seen some jaw-dropping plots that would make me buy this game in a heartbeat if I wasn't already in. So why not show them off? It seems pretty win-win to me, and if Carbine doesn't produce a decent quality video with some of the Thaydfest winners before their first year is up, I will be gravely disappointed... for whatever that's worth. :P
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Hey, if it's about faction balance and actually wanting housing to be well represented and showcased, I'd say it'd be far better for a community member to do it.  But if you just want a Carbine stream to feature your stuff, I entirely understand that.
 
All I can say is that I think you're blaming the wrong people.  We tried, desperately, to give him to you.  It certainly wasn't my vote that made him an Aurin Spellslinger, no anyone I know.  Then again, I also voted for our server to be called Darkwitch.  The awesome option always seems to lose. :P
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I also voted for darkwitch. You know that Tony had always been Exile. We had balance when Frost was there as the voice of the Dominion, but Sunshine is also Exile so we don't have a Dominion voice in the 0-50 stuff right now. I guess we could have a second twitch that would be the pvp stuff and all be Dominion, but I would rather something like two teams that would switch off showing community content on both sides. 
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Hey, if it's about faction balance and actually wanting housing to be well represented and showcased, I'd say it'd be far better for a community member to do it.  But if you just want a Carbine stream to feature your stuff, I entirely understand that.
 
All I can say is that I think you're blaming the wrong people.  We tried, desperately, to give him to you.  It certainly wasn't my vote that made him an Aurin Spellslinger, no anyone I know.  Then again, I also voted for our server to be called Darkwitch.  The awesome option always seems to lose. :P
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I REALLY REALLY REALLY tried to send him to Dominion!  I didn't even do it altruistically, I just thought it would have been a lot funnier to send him to the Dommies!  For sure, I didn't vote for him to be with us.  Especially not as an Aurin.  I can only surmise the feeling was mutual and more people wanted to humiliate him by making him a Playboy bunny.  I just think the insinuation that he's an Aurin because there are a lot of Aurin isn't particularly correct.  I mean, I play all races, but my main is a Mordesh.  I certainly didn't vote for him to be a Mordesh.
 
*sniffs*  You need more class to be Mordesh.
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Frackwell did some cool videos awhile back, and was nice enough to level up a Dominion alt and help some of us out too. He's a good guy, for an alcoholic anthropomorphic rock. ;)
 
I think a community project endorsed by Carbine would be the best thing in an ideal world, but that also creates the problem we've run in to several times: The people running these projects have lives outside of the game, consequently the projects fizzle. Whereas something semi-consistent, backed by Carbine, wouldn't have that problem (budget considerations would exist but I can't comment on that as it's outside of my knowledge base).
 
Alternately, a one-time promotional video to accompany a drop launch would be nice as well.
 
For 0-50 specifically, my criticism was meant only in the context of its recent, currently Exile-only housing submission format. So it's not a big deal to me that the show is Exile while Tony levels his character. But, and I hate to be argumentative but I feel I need to stick by my position, I do think that accountability for it being an Exile show lies on the shoulders of the person who favoured the vote design. Who else could be blamed? The players who did what they were asked to do? Reasonably, it should have never been left to the public when the Dominion being an underdog has been known since June.
 
Anyway, heaping blame isn't my intent, so I'm willing to just treat that one as a difference of opinion!
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All class those mordesh
 
The leopard spots really make the outfit. 
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We're the classiest bunch!
 
 
 
 
However, I really do want that leopard spot coat.  Where would one acquire that?
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I'm simply saying that it's not an Exile show because of some sort of positive bias.  You seem to think that the person who favored the vote design was the reason he's an Exile.  No, he's an Exile for the same reason he's a Spellslinger and an Explorer (I did vote for him to be an explorer).  It's because it's the most embarrassing.  People made him an Aurin for a joke.  That's certainly why I voted for him to be a Chua rather than something cool like a Draken.  He was punished with being an Aurin, and it honestly wasn't something I even picked.
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I think a community project endorsed by Carbine would be the best thing in an ideal world, but that also creates the problem we've run in to several times: The people running these projects have lives outside of the game, consequently the projects fizzle. Whereas something semi-consistent, backed by Carbine, wouldn't have that problem (budget considerations would exist but I can't comment on that as it's outside of my knowledge base).
 
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It's really a matter of how far back you want to go when looking for a cause. You're stopping at the people who made the votes that put Tony in the position of being an Exile Aurin. I'm stopping at the Carbine staff who asked them to vote on it in the first place, who had the power to do otherwise, whose best interest should always be the health of the game (which includes having both factions active and fairly represented), who decided to give the choice of representation to people whose best interest is certainly NOT always the health of the game.
 
I feel pretty confident that they're more culpable for any fallout than the giggling players who were allowed to foist a space bunny on Tony, hehe.
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Vic, your posts so far seem focused on diffusing any responsibility on Carbine's part for what I feel are failures (described earlier) and a desire for the game's representation to be more balanced. Because I'm expressly asking Carbine to pony up, those two things only involve Carbine in the end, so I can't see how your criticisms can work unless you're simply telling me No.
 
Maybe we're just misreading one another. Let me try to return this to my original point. 
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That's sort of the issue I'm taking with the point.  You're essentially asking Carbine to have made someone a Dominion when that's not going to help.  Thaydfest I was a HUGE event that got a brief mention from Tony during the Nexus Report.  He's not going to be there for this Thaydfest.
 
 
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More likely than us!  We're sick of Aurin!  You think I would ever vote for Tony to be sullying my faction and playing as a twiggy rabbit person?
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Vic, your posts so far seem focused on diffusing any responsibility on Carbine's part for what I feel are failures (described earlier) and a desire for the game's representation to be more balanced. Because I'm expressly asking Carbine to pony up, those two things only involve Carbine in the end, so I can't see how your criticisms can work unless you're simply telling me No.
 
Maybe we're just misreading one another. Let me try to return this to my original point.
 
 
You're extracting too much from one aspect of what I wrote, and assuming I want a change to that aspect as the only/primary solution. My OP was expressing discontent with what they've given us so far in terms of community-oriented media representation. Pointing out the recent situation with 0-50 was just one of a few named causes of my discontent.
 
Overall I'm asking for more effort in promoting housing/Dominion (other than retweeting), and more considered application of the current effort. It's a pretty vague request but making it indirectly in this casual thread is more satisfying to me than expressing nothing at all. And I think it has some value, as there have been grumblings about the game's representation from other players since launch, and I think objectively it's fair to say we haven't seen much. Whatever the reasons.
 
None of this should be unreasonable, I'm not raging and certainly not leaving over it. And it doesn't mean I don't value the community members who are trying. Rather, I want their enthusiasm to be matched by Carbine, if possible.
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D: D: D: D:
 
*takes heals and goes home!*
 
;p
 
[edit] Woah, what's with all the Tony hate? o.0 He's a cool, funny guy.
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You're still not getting my point. :( And you've come back at me with twice as much text and no more relevance. This has to stop. When there's a potential misfire you should simplify your points, not bloat them. I don't mean this as a personal thing but it's frustrating to debate you when you do this.
 
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It's a bit like if I said, "I'm really angry that the Chua are on the boxes so prominently, because it gives an impression of a Dominion bias.  The Granok on the cover is relegated to the back, so the Chua is the first thing people will see buying the box."  Which might be somewhat valid in theory, but in practice doesn't make a lot of sense.  The Chua being on the box cover might make them visible, but that doesn't make people want to play the faction.  Even then, changing the box to be more equal doesn't make it any more likely to change that balance. 
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			The best Carbine could do to bolster the Dominion population is stop making them look so evil in all of the out-of-game material. They don't come as having any nice guys until you have finished the tutorial and spend some time with Toric (or until level 20ish if you went to Deradune). And even then every other major player in the faction is pretty much on the brutal and mean side of the coin. The Vigilant not-pope seems nice, but she is bascially a non-entity until Wilderrun. Then she returns to be a non-entity.	
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You're still not getting my point. :( And you've come back at me with twice as much text and no more relevance. This has to stop. When there's a potential misfire you should simplify your points, not bloat them. I don't mean this as a personal thing but it's frustrating to debate you when you do this.
 
 
My points are nothing like what you've described here, it's strawman (maybe not intentional). Here's a thing that happened, not theoretically: When I see a post on the forums "Calling all builders" and then open it to see that a Carbine employee is looking for submissions for a housing showcase for their only existing show, and then out comes what boils down to "Exile only", that is lame. It's not game-breaking but it's unfair in the big picture, and it stings more because it's shutting out the game's underdog. What you've described in this example is nothing like what caused my unhappiness and others' to that particular situation; not in context, scope, or personal response.
 
 
I don't understand why you're still spending so much time arguing the 0-50 thing. I've already said that it's a minor point in the big picture and 0-50 was not the focus of my criticism. Sure, maybe nothing would change if 0-50 was Dominion. The principle remains that when you've got a struggling faction (we were certainly struggling then) you need to be sensitive to that fact. That kind of opinion doesn't require this much debate or considering of "how we can fix the faction problem". 
 
 
 
But Carbine IS who I want to address, and who I chose to address. You have to realize when what you're writing is kind of presumptuous. In the OP I addressed the people I feel are best fit to do something about this problem, and who are most responsible for the problem in the first place. That's my choice. I'm not going to write a post to the community asking them for help with problems that by nature started with Carbine's decisions.
 
As a player, payer, and fan, I'd like to see more effort from them. There is no need to argue so effusively against a request such as this as I'm neither premising it on outrageous claims or asking for outrageous reactions, despite some of the solutions you seem to think I want.
 
 
You're wandering into some pretty inane suppositions with this one, careful.
 
 
 
I can appreciate that you're trying to help, but man, sometimes you really straddle that line between helpful and patronizing.
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Post is way too long again, you're not listening so I can't do this anymore.
 
 
What comes off as patronizing is
 
1. You frequently imply that we're not doing things to help our own faction; we are, grousing on a casual thread doesn't mean I'm not also actively helping people and trying to think of ways to help the faction and myself
 
2. You offer unsolicited advice about topics concerning information you're frankly not privy to, and which honestly don't require such advice in the first place
 
3. You're assuming what's best for me. You're turning it into a "maximum efficiency" thing as the means to get results, like you don't understand that sometimes people just want to speak their mind. I didn't start a thread on this topic, after all.
 
 
Since the first post I've made in today's thread you've been undermining any criticism of Carbine, however small. I'm going to sum this up as white-knighting and move on. Have fun on Nexus.	
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Post is way too long again, you're not listening so I can't do this anymore.
 
 
What comes off as patronizing is
 
1. You frequently imply that we're not doing things to help our own faction; we are, grousing on a casual thread doesn't mean I'm not also actively helping people and trying to think of ways to help the faction and myself
 
2. You offer unsolicited advice about topics concerning information you're frankly not privy to, and which honestly don't require such advice in the first place
 
3. You're assuming what's best for me. You're turning it into a "maximum efficiency" thing as the means to get results, like you don't understand that sometimes people just want to speak their mind. I didn't start a thread on this topic, after all.
 
 
Since the first post I've made you've been undermining any criticism of Carbine, however small. I'm going to sum this up as white-knighting and move on. Have fun on Nexus.
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You know there has been so many dommie events (at least for EU side) that we tried to publicise and asked for help through the 0-50 or anything else carbine related (And I mean tweeting/messaging devs), such a dev/mod post in the thread just for support, and we didn't receive a response or even any recognition at all.
 
It really sucks to be the forgotten faction/region, and we hardly ever get mentioned unless one of our own either has an awesome plot, or a piece of artwork. 
 
But then it doesn't matter to carbine if you're not a stinky aurin :( Think about the poor stinky chuas!
 
They may be working on their link on the community and the dev team, but it's very striking as being factored towards exiles and only exiles, and not being fair to both sides getting equal exposure.
 
Just my opinion, ofc.	
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You know there has been so many dommie events (at least for EU side) that we tried to publicise and asked for help through the 0-50 or anything else carbine related (And I mean tweeting/messaging devs), such a dev/mod post in the thread just for support, and we didn't receive a response or even any recognition at all.
 
It really sucks to be the forgotten faction/region, and we hardly ever get mentioned unless one of our own either has an awesome plot, or a piece of artwork. 
 
But then it doesn't matter to carbine if you're not a stinky aurin :( Think about the poor stinky chuas!
 
They may be working on their link on the community and the dev team, but it's very striking as being factored towards exiles and only exiles, and not being fair to both sides getting equal exposure.
 
Just my opinion, ofc.
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			I better get back into streaming then D:	
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I better get back into streaming then D:
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I didn't imply that you weren't doing things to help your own faction.  I simply said that internal community is more valuable than the Carbine community team, which is the entire basis of your idea.  I offer alternatives because just being critical isn't constructive.  And I'm turning it into an efficiency thing to get results that's what I think is valuable, because I am, also, permitted to speak my mind and my approach isn't accusatory, it's logical.
 
More specifically, my entire point is a criticism of Carbine.  How is it not a criticism of Carbine to say they're far less effective at anything community related than we are?  My premise rests on the idea that Carbine isn't influential to the community or players at large and their stream isn't a community implement, it's a developer implement trying to connect to the community.  I'd think that's harsher to Carbine than the accusation that they're not balanced in their presentation.
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