147295-realm-populations

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			Is there any plan to address Realm populations anytime soon.  I know they were offering free transfers before the FTP launch and then put it on hiatus.  Right now Warhound is a joke.  Only 2 or 3 actual guilds that do raids on a regular basis and only one that has really gotten out of DA yet.  I am a returning player that figured I would give the game a try again and honestly I love it but I would like to get on a realm that has a decent population or know if Carbine has any plans to try and even this issue out.  Or just let me transfer to Entity without having to spend $20 a char.  Sucks that the thing that is probably going to drive me away from the game is low populations.	
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My word.
 
Already?	
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			Hate to say it bro but i think you're shit out of luck.	
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My word.
 
Already?
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Why would you have gone to Warhound if "PVP isn't a thing for" you? Warhound is a PVP server - and one that was struggling pre-F2P with population.
 
Not trying to give you a hard time, but if you wanted to Raid, you settled on the wrong server, amigo.	
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PvP realm.
 
They never have huge populations.
 
I noticed it when free to play first launched. People rushing to join Lumi and Warhound and I chuckled to myself. A lot of those were never going to stick around, it's the nature of MMO's, and PvP players are always the minority in an MMO except for PvP centric ones which this is not.
 
I told a few people not to roll on those servers, the population won't last but they didn't listen to me.
 
Last week those people rerolled on PvE servers due to lack of population on Lumi.
 
Even better with the lag issue when someone says "but I don't get lag" and then say they play on a PvP server with about 4 other people on it.
 
Lumi and Warhound are not the place to go for PvE progression either. Most of the folk on a PvP server are only interested in PvP. You won't find many guilds clearing content and those that are will be behind guilds on PvE servers.
 
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PVP isnt a thing for me in this game,
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Why would you have gone to Warhound if "PVP isn't a thing for" you? Warhound is a PVP server - and one that was struggling pre-F2P with population.
 
Not trying to give you a hard time, but if you wanted to Raid, you settled on the wrong server, amigo.
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			Just to be clear in case its not.  I'm basically not on warhound by choice and because of when I chose to come back my experience has not been the greatest.	
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PvP realm.
 
They never have huge populations.
 
I noticed it when free to play first launched. People rushing to join Lumi and Warhound and I chuckled to myself. A lot of those were never going to stick around, it's the nature of MMO's, and PvP players are always the minority in an MMO except for PvP centric ones which this is not.
 
I told a few people not to roll on those servers, the population won't last but they didn't listen to me.
 
Last week those people rerolled on PvE servers due to lack of population on Lumi.
 
Even better with the lag issue when someone says "but I don't get lag" and then say they play on a PvP server with about 4 other people on it.
 
Lumi and Warhound are not the place to go for PvE progression either. Most of the folk on a PvP server are only interested in PvP. You won't find many guilds clearing content and those that are will be behind guilds on PvE servers.
 
 
 
I'm going to echo what Tex just said.
 
If PvP isn't your thing then why would you roll on a PvP server?
 
You are acting like it's Carbines issue that you are having the problems you are but you chose the realm. Not only did you chose a realm that was always going to have less population than Entity, you chose a realm based on an activity you don't like.
 
It makes no sense.
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SIgh I guess its really not clear.  I DIDNT CHOOSE THIS REALM!
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Who did?
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Did you ever use your 10day free trial when they offered it to everyone subbed and not subbed prior to F2P? Just curious
 
Also if you don't want to pay real cash you could take the risk of bargaining with someone and pay them with plat. This transaction however is not supported by Carbine, so bare in mind that you do this at your own risk.
			
				
	Edited November 20, 2015 by Typrop	
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Guess you dont fully read posts.  I was on a different server when the game 1st came out.  I took a break for awhile and came back when I heard the game went FTP.  When I came back my old characters were already on Warhound.  I had already missed the free transfer window when I came back and did not know that warhound's pop would be so miserable.  I am not here by choice and never got the chance to move to a PVE server when they implemented the mega-servers.  Does that make sense now?
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Does that make sense now?
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Warhound population isn't high, but it's not in dire straights either. This over exaggeration of low population on PVP servers just exacerbates the issue and causes people to not roll new toons on the PVP servers, add this to natural player attrition and of course there will be server decline. 
 
Server was DEAD prior to ftp. Guilds needed to get started up from scatch...which includes gearing up folks. Of course there are only a couple guild in each faction who've cleared GA. With only a month of progression, these guilds (MVP, Highlight? It's Just Pixels, Exiled, Insomnia), are near geared enough to down SD. SD will probably be downed within a week.
 
Dominion side MVP is doing better than others, with a full raid team, a near full second raid team, and an alt raid running on Fridays. You want to raid and be a tank, message me your toon name, there may be an opportunity for you.
			
				
	Edited November 20, 2015 by Horse Man	
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			So what you are saying is when I saw an advertisment for wildstar going FTP instead of just playing the game I should have gone to the webiste.  Researched the forums and assumed I would get screwed on server pops and THEN after all that decided to play.  Interesting...	
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Yeah, we kinda called it to the guilds that went back to the PvP server pre-f2p.  We had a big discussion in our guild if we were going back, but we were always worried that the population boost would be short term at best after being part of not 1 but 2 PvP server pop deaths in WS, Hazak -> Luminai -> Jabbit.  Lo and behold, all WS's best PvP is instanced, so any PvX'ers logical choice is to go to a PvE realm.  
 
Now the PvE realms have healthy populations and people are transferring across from PvP whilst Carbine rake in that server transfer cost :D 	
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Warhound population isn't high, but it's not in dire straights either. This over exaggeration of low population on PVP servers just exacerbates the issue and causes people to not roll new toons on the PVP servers, add this to natural player attrition and of course there will be server decline. 
 
Server was DEAD prior to ftp. Guilds needed to get started up from scatch...which includes gearing up folks. Of course there are only a couple guild in each faction who've cleared GA. With only a month of progression, these guilds (MVP, Highlight?, Exiled, Insomnia), are near geared enough to down SD. SD will probably be downed within a week.
 
Dominion side MVP is doing better than others, with a full raid team, a near full second raid team, and an alt raid running on Fridays. You want to raid and be a tank, message me your toon name, there may be an opportunity for you.
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So what you are saying is when I saw an advertisment for wildstar going FTP instead of just playing the game I should have gone to the webiste.  Researched the forums and assumed I would get screwed on server pops and THEN after all that decided to play.  Interesting...
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So what you are saying is when I saw an advertisment for wildstar going FTP instead of just playing the game I should have gone to the webiste.  Researched the forums and assumed I would get screwed on server pops and THEN after all that decided to play.  Interesting...
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What gear do you have right now? If you don't have any GA gear, then I'd suggest just scrapping the character for now and rerolling on a PVE server. I know it sucks, but it's either you reroll, pay $20 to move, or quit. (Personally I think $20 is a bit steep to move a character)
 
I was originally on a PVP server and moved to PVE when the mega-merges happened. Open world PVP isn't the greatest in WildStar, it could have been but early on the focus was PVE, regardless of server.
 
You can level pretty fast now, especially if you know what you are doing (i.e. only doing quests 2-3 levels above your level, and killing everything on the way to the next quest hub).	
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SIgh I guess its really not clear.  I DIDNT CHOOSE THIS REALM!
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I was recently checking out the Warhound forum cause I was considering rolling a toon there, to join some buddies.  It was dead, so I went to W* reddit instead (Eldan save me).  Found a thread that was more then a week old begging People to come to Warhound. 
 
"But nobody is in the zones.  All the pvp is instanced anyway.  There's no point to being here." The Naysayers said.
"It's great! You get to steamroll groups while they raid world bosses!" The Leets said.
"Um. And you wonder why there are no raiding guilds on Warhound? Are you stupid?" The Naysayers said.
 
Yeah.  I decided to live with "Account friends" status.
 
Bottom line is the game is not structured to support world PVP, and the pvp realms have little appeal, even to other PVPers.  Don't expect the population to ever get better.	
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You can buy char transfer for omnibits as well, and in that case it's free :)
But omnibitgrind vs rerolling new char, I think rerolling is faster. So unless you got lots of collectibles you want to keep I'd say reroll.
Personally I checked around before rerolling pvp server, it was dead at the time I joined in pre-f2p but I decided to give it a chance. So far it's population enough domino luminai to make me satisfied.
However the game overall needs more marketing, and I have hope that will happen so the game gets a constant flow in new players. 	
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The raiding population on Warhound is nowhere near where Entity is.  That being said, its nowhere near dead.  Do you have something against the raiding guilds on that server?  Why don't you join one of them.  I know there is enough to have some choice on either faction.  Every time I am on my alt over there, I see plenty of guild recruit spam looking for raiders.  If you're not willing to transfer, and you're at the DS level (judging by your post, it sounds like you dont need GA?)  why don't join one of these guilds and help them progress?  I know a couple of them just started raiding when f2p went live and they are already making steady progress. 
 
In this game more than any other I have played, its more about finding a great core group, and progressing with them.  The mechanics of this game favor cohesion, rather than the "get my gear and move onto the next guild with better progression" mindset that WoW has fostered in recent years. 
			
				
	Edited November 21, 2015 by Wraith138	
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Cut the snark, you DID chose that realm.
 
All those on a PvP realm before the mega server consolidation were placed on the PvP server. You were on a PvP realm before the merge so my point stands, they never have large populations. 
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Yeah I was thinking then... Outland, Kazzak, Stormscale, Ragnaros, Ravencrest, Sylvanas > All higher population servers on wow (EU) that are PvP. And a lot of high ranking raiding guilds are on them! :P
 
Hazak was the place to be before the megaservers.
 
And also, Luminai will never be big because everyone spreads complete and utter tosh about Lumi being "dead" even now. There was some idiot commenting that "all the guilds moved back to jabbit" and made people panic in zone chat in illium yesterday. On questioning turned out to be someone from Jabbit.
 
The economy is fine (I play the cx and ah most days), and the only thing you guys need to do is stop spreading misinformation, that's what happened the first time to kill Lumi.
 
It may not be as populated atm (transfers have made a lot of people move especially pve'ers who were stuck on lumi) as Jabbit, but it's still busy enough to do world bosses, pvp, pve... there is no issues on Lumi dominion right now.
			
				
	Edited November 21, 2015 by Sylqt	
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in my day we was lucky to see one person every hour and we paid by the hour.
 	
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Those WoW PvP servers are high pop because they have the top (PvE) raiding guilds on them. The factions are also so imbananced that they are effectively PvE servers.
 
PvP servers just don't work in any game because most people dont want to world PvP.	
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I think the problem with world PvP is one major thing: GUARDS SCREW IT ALL UP! Why the hell invade Illium or Thayd if you're confined to rooftop hopping or getting nearly one-shot by OP guards? True of any outpost. Like, make the NPC questgivers invulnerable because lowbie trolling is just douche, but seriously, it's the guards that make no sense. That's something I'll mention that WoW does right: have a global/local defense channel, and if a player is attacking your faction's town, it broadcasts it when a guard dies because they -are killable-. Boom. World PvP.
 
That and a purely PvP zone. Seriously half of what kept PvP interesting to me in WoW was Wintergrasp/Tol Barad (despite their many flaws) and not just chain running the BGs. THIS is what will give PvP servers a leg up.
			
				
	Edited November 21, 2015 by Bloodrose	
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I think the problem with world PvP is one major thing: GUARDS SCREW IT ALL UP! Why the hell invade Illium or Thayd if you're confined to rooftop hopping or getting nearly one-shot by OP guards? 
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I feel you and I perfectly understand you. I would put in a ticket to carbine explaining your situation. missing free transfer Windows etc. Hope fully they will help you for free :)
 
And I agree that some ppl here seems to want you to suffer for eternity because you did something back at launch. 
 
I vote for carbine to help you out :)
			
				
	Edited November 22, 2015 by styrm	
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