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I just want a clarification that this means that we can continue as normal, using CREDD, that the CREDD we have saved up will not go away. And the wording is confusing; will we have to use a CREDD coin or actually pay as the changeover happens to stay as signature users? Or, if we are a player who has sustained themselves on CREDD since initial purchase, will there be no change?
 
Final question, One of my favorite things about the CREDD system is the ability to use it from the character selection window, from that pop-up prompt. Will that still be there?
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Exclusively paid for content? Yeah, expect a lot of that. That new raid people are taking about? That'll be part of it.
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Not happy about the loyalty program.  Kind of dumps on folks like me, but oh well.  With transition comes inevitable disappointment.
 
Happy with the Free player restrictions.  Last thing this game needs after the botters/farmers at launch is a bunch of botters/farmers running around with <BUYWSPLATNOW.RU> or <GET PLT AT R23.NET> floating over their heads thanks to free circles/guilds.	
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Not content so much as desirable features. Look at the differences between baseline and signature accounts in the FAQ. All those differences are up for grabs as an a la carte menu. Love housing, buy the increased item limit, for example.
 
 
When it comes to future additions, I'd expect about a 60-40 to 80-20 mix of free vs store additions (in favor of free stuff).
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So we will actually all be getting loyalty rewards in direct proportion to how long we have subbed since launch. Longer equals more rewards. There are simply two rewards locked behind a nonstop paid or credd sub: one title and one mount. As to the full extent of the rest of the loyalty rewards we don't know yet.
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			So your game neighbor (GW2) is one of the most successful B2P MMO's and you decide to go F2P?
			
				
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Not happy about the loyalty program. Kind of dumps on folks like me, but oh well. With transition comes inevitable disappointment.
 
Happy with the Free player restrictions. Last thing this game needs after the botters/farmers at launch is a bunch of botters/farmers running around with <BUYWSPLATNOW.RU> or <GET PLT AT R23.NET> floating over their heads thanks to free circles/guilds.
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Not content so much as desirable features. Look at the differences between baseline and signature accounts in the FAQ. All those differences are up for grabs as an a la carte menu. Love housing, buy the increased item limit, for example.
 
 
When it comes to future additions, I'd expect about a 60-40 to 80-20 mix of free vs store additions (in favor of free stuff).
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Exclusively paid for content? Yeah, expect a lot of that. That new raid people are taking about? That'll be part of it.
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So your game neighbor (GW2) is one of the most successful B2P MMO's and you decide to go F2P?
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Serious question, do you know of an MMORPG that has locked new raids, or even sections of raids, behind a cash shop purchase?  The closest I can think of is raids being added in an expansion that people have to pay for, but its a stretch to equate that with what you are claiming here.
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			Not really happy about it, but f2p is the logical consequence of the game's current player numbers. Will see what happens after the transition.	
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Read the FAQ again. "Exclusive paid content AND maybe whole new expansions." Bolded the important part for you. Content AND expansions would mean that, yes, they will sell raids or small things as well as whole new expansions. Can't wait to see the nickel and diming. Wildstar had such potential too. >.>
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I am happy with the free 2 play system they are implementing. Its not a pay 2 win travesty like Neverwinter. Its more like Tera. And that system is the best in the biz for free 2 play.  Thank you Carbine for listening and finally implementing what I and so many fans have been hoping for this game. 
 
This fall can't come any sooner. :)	
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Read the FAQ again. "Exclusive paid content AND maybe whole new expansions." Bolded the important part for you. Content AND expansions would mean that, yes, they will sell raids or small things as well as whole new expansions. Can't wait to see the nickel and diming. Wildstar had such potential too. >.>
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			If a person has more than 12 characters since before the megaservers, will this be affected in any way...?	
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The choice between F2P or B2P has most likely to do with the initial game sales and the downward trend of sales of the game box from launch to now.
 
If it's already that low you might as well remove the barrier of entry completely.
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I read the FAQ, and it does nothing to dispel my fears -- in fact, it makes them much worse. The game is going to be built to squeeze every last drop of money out of you, but then, that's what F2P is all about.
 
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			can you still buy credd from the website and sell it in game?	
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I'm not sure where the fear of paying for content comes from. Most content new updates dungeons, adventures, shiphands, and raids I would expect to be free unless it comes out with an expansion. Now when I say expect to be free I mean that as a subscriber (Signature Player) If you are a free to play player I would expect a one time purchase to unlock that content for your account.
 
If it is an expansion I expect everyone one will pay for it. Sometimes with a reduced price for preorder.	
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Read the FAQ again. "Exclusive paid content AND maybe whole new expansions." Bolded the important part for you. Content AND expansions would mean that, yes, they will sell raids or small things as well as whole new expansions. Can't wait to see the nickel and diming. Wildstar had such potential too. >.>
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For someone like myself that has been changing the subscription from 3 to 6 months and 6 to 3 etc... Will I get the rewards and titles I started playing 3 June with 30 days free plus sub but in join date it appears 22 June The first sub transaction but played since day 1. Also the start date keeps changing since I modify sub. But been paying for almost a year
 	
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Love the loyalty program.  Been here since Beta, and never missed a beat.  Love the game.  To all others that found another shiny to play and laps sub, Oh well.  (Sorry to those who had R/L issues though).
 
Although I am concerned about the servers being able to handle the extra load.  Is there a potential for another realm or will there still be two in each region?
 
I am not overly happy about the decision to go F2P (lets in the rift-raft and increase in Botting), but I want to game to carry on,  Not that it wouldn't have otherwise, but this will give a bigger influx.  
 
It also makes banning someone more tricky.  The banned individual will just get another email and create a new account.
 
The trick is going to be making it more desirable to be signature and less desirable to be F2P. 
 
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Not happy about the loyalty program.  Kind of dumps on folks like me, but oh well.  With transition comes inevitable disappointment.
 
Happy with the Free player restrictions.  Last thing this game needs after the botters/farmers at launch is a bunch of botters/farmers running around with or floating over their heads thanks to free circles/guilds.
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Read the FAQ again. "Exclusive paid content AND maybe whole new expansions." Bolded the important part for you. Content AND expansions would mean that, yes, they will sell raids or small things as well as whole new expansions. Can't wait to see the nickel and diming. Wildstar had such potential too. >.>
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Although I am concerned about the servers being able to handle the extra load.  Is there a potential for another realm or will there still be two in each region?
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With this I am gone. I originally bought Wildstar because it was one of the two(!) MMORPGs left which do not have an Item Shop.
 
Why is it so hard to at least offer the subscription model alongside the Freemium Model? Where the Items still can be crafted and looted without the need of the Item Shop? Perhaps on a different realm or something?
Well, I think I know the answer. Because then the "whales" will just play subscription.
 
There is just no love for people who love Fluff.	
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Read the FAQ again. "Exclusive paid content AND maybe whole new expansions." Bolded the important part for you. Content AND expansions would mean that, yes, they will sell raids or small things as well as whole new expansions. Can't wait to see the nickel and diming. Wildstar had such potential too. >.>
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Robbed of my thread. :(
 
Oh well.
 
Hurray.
 
My only complaint is I left for three months while the game imploded, but came back the minute it was worthwhile ... and despite a year of beta testing and endless hours of support, I don't get all the loyalty rewards.
 
That sort of sucks, but otherwise, at least we can stop speculating.
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Also, if you are going to use quotation marks, you need to actually have an accurate quote.  As near as I can tell, this is the section you were quoting:
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The nickel and diming will come. At least for all those players who don't only play for "progress".
They already state it at the bottom of the page. There is going to be a shop for cosmetic items.
Which means, if you like doing things beside progressing (roleplay, decorating your plot, etc.) you will have to pay.	
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For someone like myself that has been changing the subscription from 3 to 6 months and 6 to 3 etc... Will I get the rewards and titles I started playing 3 June with 30 days free plus sub but in join date it appears 22 June The first sub transaction but played since day 1. Also the start date keeps changing since I modify sub. But been paying for almost a year
 
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Just to clarify there's a difference between our Player Appreciation Rewards, and our Loyalty Rewards. We'll be talking more about our Loyalty Rewards in the coming months but the Player Appreciation Rewards will be rewarding players who have subscribed for an extended period of time.
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Just to clarify there's a difference between our Player Appreciation Rewards, and our Loyalty Program. We'll be talking more about our Loyalty Program in the coming months but the Player Appreciation Rewards will be rewarding players who have subscribed for an extended period of time.
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As long as your account has never been inactive, then you will get the special mount and title. I don't have a way to determine that with a screenshot of your subscription history. An account being inactive means having no game time on it. As long as you had game time continuously since launch, you are fine.
 
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Regarding the Ikthian Crawler and the Living Legend. now, I understand that many of you will be frustrated because they either started the game few days after launch and/or were unsubscribed for few days in the past year for various reasons. Unfortunately as it currently stands, the mount and the title will only be awarded for players who have been continuously subscribed to WildStar (subscription includes C.R.E.D.D., Game Time Cards, "30 days" period included with retail codes (both digital and boxes)).
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As long as your account has never been inactive, then you will get the special mount and title.
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Also, if you are going to use quotation marks, you need to actually have an accurate quote.  As near as I can tell, this is the section you were quoting:
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As long as your account has never been inactive, then you will get the special mount and title. I don't have a way to determine that with a screenshot of your subscription history. An account being inactive means having no game time on it. As long as you had game time continuously since launch, you are fine.
 
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Regarding the Ikthian Crawler and the Living Legend. now, I understand that many of you will be frustrated because they either started the game few days after launch and/or were unsubscribed for few days in the past year for various reasons. Unfortunately as it currently stands, the mount and the title will only be awarded for players who have been continuously subscribed to WildStar (subscription includes C.R.E.D.D., Game Time Cards, "30 days" period included with retail codes (both digital and boxes)).
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I've seen a few people mention the exp boosts and other boosts that will be perks for continuing to subscribe. I'm also worried this might unbalance the game or the game might be rebalanced for subs only in an effort to grind down free players into subscribing or buying boost-microtransactions.
 
I'm really worried about how the game will balance.	
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"We may also offer some new content and full expansion packs exclusively for purchase in the future." -- There, happy? New content - AKA raids and probably BGs too - AS WELL AS expansions.
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As long as your account has never been inactive, then you will get the special mount and title. I don't have a way to determine that with a screenshot of your subscription history. An account being inactive means having no game time on it. As long as you had game time continuously since launch, you are fine.
 
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Regarding the Ikthian Crawler and the Living Legend. now, I understand that many of you will be frustrated because they either started the game few days after launch and/or were unsubscribed for few days in the past year for various reasons. Unfortunately as it currently stands, the mount and the title will only be awarded for players who have been continuously subscribed to WildStar (subscription includes C.R.E.D.D., Game Time Cards, "30 days" period included with retail codes (both digital and boxes)).
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			If you see my ss Ive got 2 subs March 26 1 cancelled 1 active	
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As long as your account has never been inactive, then you will get the special mount and title. I don't have a way to determine that with a screenshot of your subscription history. An account being inactive means having no game time on it. As long as you had game time continuously since launch, you are fine.
 
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Regarding the Ikthian Crawler and the Living Legend. now, I understand that many of you will be frustrated because they either started the game few days after launch and/or were unsubscribed for few days in the past year for various reasons. Unfortunately as it currently stands, the mount and the title will only be awarded for players who have been continuously subscribed to WildStar (subscription includes C.R.E.D.D., Game Time Cards, "30 days" period included with retail codes (both digital and boxes)).
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And that is 9000% garbage.
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"We may also offer some new content and full expansion packs exclusively for purchase in the future." -- There, happy? New content - AKA raids and probably BGs too - AS WELL AS expansions.
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I'm happy with that. It lets people who use the content pay for the content. I'm sure the PVP-exclusive community will be happy to stop paying for raids and vice versa.
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Just to clarify there's a difference between our Player Appreciation Rewards, and our Loyalty Program. We'll be talking more about our Loyalty Program in the coming months but the Player Appreciation Rewards will be rewarding players who have subscribed for an extended period of time.
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			To the people who are concerned about previously having to cancel auto-renew a few times in the past... did your account ever actually run out of time? From what I can gather from the dev replies, even if you canceled your renewal, so long as you entered in a new payment soon enough that you didn't have any days where you were unable to access your account, then you will get the title/mount rewards.	
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I've seen a few people mention the exp boosts and other boosts that will be perks for continuing to subscribe. I'm also worried this might unbalance the game or the game might be rebalanced for subs only in an effort to grind down free players into subscribing or buying boost-microtransactions.
 
I'm really worried about how the game will balance.
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Sorry to disappoint you but you'll most likely be buying bundles of content such as drops set under a theme that includes many different types of content to spread the development costs of all things. I don't see any game developer ever just releasing a single BG or raid for sale.
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To the people who are concerned about previously having to cancel auto-renew a few times in the past... did your account ever actually run out of time? From what I can gather from the dev replies, even if you canceled your renewal, so long as you entered in a new payment soon enough that you didn't have any days where you were unable to access your account, then you will get the title/mount rewards.
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I won't be disappointed-- I'll be paying a sub.
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As long as your account has never been inactive, then you will get the special mount and title. I don't have a way to determine that with a screenshot of your subscription history. An account being inactive means having no game time on it. As long as you had game time continuously since launch, you are fine.
 
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Regarding the Ikthian Crawler and the Living Legend. now, I understand that many of you will be frustrated because they either started the game few days after launch and/or were unsubscribed for few days in the past year for various reasons. Unfortunately as it currently stands, the mount and the title will only be awarded for players who have been continuously subscribed to WildStar (subscription includes C.R.E.D.D., Game Time Cards, "30 days" period included with retail codes (both digital and boxes)).
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As long as your account has never been inactive, then you will get the special mount and title. I don't have a way to determine that with a screenshot of your subscription history. An account being inactive means having no game time on it. As long as you had game time continuously since launch, you are fine.
 
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Regarding the Ikthian Crawler and the Living Legend. now, I understand that many of you will be frustrated because they either started the game few days after launch and/or were unsubscribed for few days in the past year for various reasons. Unfortunately as it currently stands, the mount and the title will only be awarded for players who have been continuously subscribed to WildStar (subscription includes C.R.E.D.D., Game Time Cards, "30 days" period included with retail codes (both digital and boxes)).
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To the people who are concerned about previously having to cancel auto-renew a few times in the past... did your account ever actually run out of time? From what I can gather from the dev replies, even if you canceled your renewal, so long as you entered in a new payment soon enough that you didn't have any days where you were unable to access your account, then you will get the title/mount rewards.
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For the non-americans... when is "the fall" that like winter or something?
 
aww i missed 1 month due to university and i wont get the mount!! :(	
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			Its been a year I can remember if my account been inactive for days or if it has had Game Time for a Whole Year we need Support Team telling us that but their site down.	
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For the non-americans... when is "the fall" that like winter or something?
 
aww i missed 1 month due to university and i wont get the mount!! :(
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For the non-americans... when is "the fall" that like winter or something?
 
aww i missed 1 month due to university and i wont get the mount!! :(
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For the non-americans... when is "the fall" that like winter or something?
 
aww i missed 1 month due to university and i wont get the mount!! :(
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As long as your account has never been inactive, then you will get the special mount and title. I don't have a way to determine that with a screenshot of your subscription history. An account being inactive means having no game time on it. As long as you had game time continuously since launch, you are fine.
 
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Regarding the Ikthian Crawler and the Living Legend. now, I understand that many of you will be frustrated because they either started the game few days after launch and/or were unsubscribed for few days in the past year for various reasons. Unfortunately as it currently stands, the mount and the title will only be awarded for players who have been continuously subscribed to WildStar (subscription includes C.R.E.D.D., Game Time Cards, "30 days" period included with retail codes (both digital and boxes)).
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For the non-americans... when is "the fall" that like winter or something?
 
aww i missed 1 month due to university and i wont get the mount!! :(
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As long as your account has never been inactive, then you will get the special mount and title. I don't have a way to determine that with a screenshot of your subscription history. An account being inactive means having no game time on it. As long as you had game time continuously since launch, you are fine.
 
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Regarding the Ikthian Crawler and the Living Legend. now, I understand that many of you will be frustrated because they either started the game few days after launch and/or were unsubscribed for few days in the past year for various reasons. Unfortunately as it currently stands, the mount and the title will only be awarded for players who have been continuously subscribed to WildStar (subscription includes C.R.E.D.D., Game Time Cards, "30 days" period included with retail codes (both digital and boxes)).
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Name an example where creating/inviting players to a circle or guild can be abused ?
 
They are now enforcing that guild leaders and officer must be subscribers, most of them are players that have sticked with wildstar through the bad times (pvp servers exodus) and this is their reward?
 
If this was included with the box version then I would be okay with this but now it's just ridiculous 
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So this was designed specifically to upset the majority of your playerbase?
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Not it isn't. It's the only fair stance to take on this.
 
Where do you otherwise pull the line? One day, then those with 2 days in active will complain, 2 those with 3 and it will go up to a month even. 
 
Remember that this is only one layer of the loyalty reward, the mount is an exclusive thing if you like it or not. Who knows a variation on it might appear ingame anyhow, seeing at the details on it i wouldn't be surprised if it got re-used at one point. 
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			I've never been a F2P fan, but I do think this game will boom with it. It's probably more suited to profiting with cosmetic items than any other game on the market. Seems like they've got a good idea to make it work without entering the SWtOR laugh zone.	
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The nickel and diming will come. At least for all those players who don't only play for "progress".
They already state it at the bottom of the page. There is going to be a shop for cosmetic items.
Which means, if you like doing things beside progressing (roleplay, decorating your plot, etc.) you will have to pay.
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Or reward the vigilantly faithful... which is precisely what they said it was designed to do.
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			Personally idgaf about the mount or title.  I wanna know when I can get a Rowsdower rockin a pair of Beats like in the trailer.	
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Well, I'm pleasantly surprised to see how reasonable this model looks for F2P. Slightly worried about the "Some content may be purchased" line, but ah well. It is what it is. They basically took Rift's model and adapted it to Wildstar, which I am more than okay with.
 
As to the mount reward, it would make more sense to give it to people who either pre-ordered the game, or those who were subbed for something like 90% of the time since release, not every single day. (Even if that would make me ineligible for it, sadly)	
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			This does remind me of the folks who got awards on graduating high school for never missing a day, starting in elementary school. I always thought they were weirdly fortunate . . .	
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According to my account page, my subscription lapsed for a single day back in August last year, I can only assume this was due to a debit card renewal. If this means I won't get the rewards for being consistently subbed then I beg you to look into this. I've been subscribed since early access and have logged in almost every day since then... for me not to receive the rewards would be awfully unjust :(
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			I missed about 13 hours of subscription time since beta. I had to enter in a new card number and such, old one expired. So my queston is if this will be held against me and deny me the mount?	
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There's nothing fair about putting players on a pedestal for some arbitrary definition of "loyal"
 
This isn't about *cupcake*ing loyalty.
As far as I can see most of the constructive and/or evangelical WS players are being left out of this, and *cupcake*THAT NOISE.  That's not a loyalty reward.
And the only people who  aren't unhappy about this are those who managed to sub through out the whole time and thus aren't the ones being snubbed or people who don't care about collectables.
I've NEVER seen an mmo transition to F2P by creating casts between such a fine *cupcake*ing line.
 
News flash, Wildstar community, just because you aren't affected by something doesn't make it not a problem.
 
 
You want a "I FEEL SPECIAL" line?
Give the mount to the players who bought the game within the first six months.
 
But really, this mount should be a drop from the ikthian boss in starcomm.
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I feel like this is how most games that are F2P are handled. I'm not to worried about it. Plus if at anytime you want to level a toon you could subscribe or buy C.R.E.D.D. for a month level the toon and go back to being F2P. I think it really works out for both parties subscribers pay for little bonuses and still probably dump cash into the shop, and f2p have the pure choice on if they want to spend money or not. It could be be it content or nick knacks. 
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You want a "I FEEL SPECIAL" line?
Give the mount to the players who bought the game within the first six months.
 
But really, this mount should be a drop from the ikthian boss in starcomm.
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So I played during closed beta, but bought the game a month after launch, and I won't be eligible for the mount and "Living legend" title?
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For the loyal subscribers who have maintained a subscription from WildStar’s official launch on June 3rd, 2014 until the Free-to-Play launch, we will award this exclusive Ikthian Crawler mount, an exclusive DJ Caretaker housing décor item, a Disco Snoglug companion pet, a new housing music track, four months of Signature service, and two new titles: “Living Legend” and “Nexus Loyalist”!
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There is as it's especially made to reward this group of players. This is only one part of the loyalty rewards. You are merely bitter you're missing out. 
 
You are going to get rewarded that's again why there's a loyalty system on top of this, this is merely a special reward to show their appreciation to all players that stuck with them from start to finish.
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			Question: for those of you who subbed from the beginning, what is the sub date? My start date is Jul 3, 2014	
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What part of "some" don't you understand. There will still be plenty of new free cosmetic items not in the shop.
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I missed about 13 hours of subscription time since beta. I had to enter in a new card number and such, old one expired. So my queston is if this will be held against me and deny me the mount?
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But, but, but... but... I didn't find OUT about Wildstar until I got a surprise subscription for Christmas!  I love it just as much as everyone else!  Why wouldn't I get a mount too?
 
(Yes, more than a little snark here.  It doesn't matter what you do, drawing a line in this instance is 100% arbitrary, if you make the condition buying the box before date X, subscribing since date Y, or spreading mayo on your head and rubbing your tummy counterclockwise and intoning "Timetravel is my God".  I'm in the "don't care" category, and really it's starting to look like they should have done NOTHING AT ALL because of folks not able to put on their grown-up galoshes.)
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What part of "some" don't you understand. There will still be plenty of new free cosmetic items not in the shop.
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Go figure?
Being loyal to a game for a year and deliberately getting left out of the fun (you know, the things games are made for), giving Carbine my undying faith after their consistent *cupcake*ups and getting the consolation prize could make a person bitter?
Who would have thought?
 
This isn't about *cupcake*ing loyalty.
 
 
Way to *cupcake*ing throw away all the ACTUAL loyalty you guys have built up.
 
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Unfortunately no. In order to be eligible you must have had your game registered at launch and stayed continuously subscribed (without a single day of interruption) until the transition to Free to Play.
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I only have one, very important question to ask. It is absolutely vital to the success of this project. The very fate of Nexus hangs in the balance!
 
Forehead goggles in the cash shop, yes/no? It better be yes.	
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According to my account page, my subscription lapsed for a single day back in August last year, I can only assume this was due to a debit card renewal. If this means I won't get the rewards for being consistently subbed then I beg you to look into this. I've been subscribed since early access and have logged in almost every day since then... for me not to receive the rewards would be awfully unjust :(
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Question: for those of you who subbed from the beginning, what is the sub date? My start date is Jul 3, 2014
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Question: for those of you who subbed from the beginning, what is the sub date? My start date is Jul 3, 2014
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So, you would be happy with "some dungeons will need keys you have to buy in the item shop" or "some of the best gear will be purchasable through Microtransactions only", too ?
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I have it from the 28th, but i believe the post literally says i think 3 or 5 july. They count from the first day not the early access.
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Question: for those of you who subbed from the beginning, what is the sub date? My start date is Jul 3, 2014
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Well that's unfortunate.
 
Paid for a full year of subs... but I'm going to be holding true to my word of quitting MMOs altogether if (now when) Wildstar goes F2P once my sub lapses sometime in July.
 
I say all MMOs because Wildstar ruined me for other MMOs, and there's just no point of hunting for the experience that made MMO gaming so enjoyable for me in my WoW days.  Wildstar was the closest I've ever come to meeting that goal, but I can't deal with games where over half the population is not invested in producing the same long term experience you are.	
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As i said and other said before, a line has been drawn. And that line was for all the goodies you had to be with them from the start. 
 
Yes, you weren't around then and yes they decided that to get everything you had to be. You are not going to convince anyone with growing more hostile with every post as you are starting to sound like a child that throws their toys around because you can't get your way, no offense. 
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As i said and other said before, a line has been drawn. And that line was for all the goodies you had to be with them from the start. 
 
Yes, you weren't around then and yes they decided that to get everything you had to be. You are not going to convince anyone with growing more hostile with every post as you are starting to sound like a child that throws their toys around because you can't get your way, no offense. 
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Unfortunately no. In order to be eligible you must have had your game registered at launch and stayed continuously subscribed (without a single day of interruption) until the transition to Free to Play.
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Unfortunately no. In order to be eligible you must have had your game registered at launch and stayed continuously subscribed (without a single day of interruption) until the transition to Free to Play.
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Question: for those of you who subbed from the beginning, what is the sub date? My start date is Jul 3, 2014
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Suggestion: change the program to allow those subbed from the time of the announcement to the F2P swap to get full rewards.
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So, you would be happy with "some dungeons will need keys you have to buy in the item shop" or "some of the best gear will be purchasable through Microtransactions only", too ?
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Well, Wildstar launched on June 3rd...so you're a month off.
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I never stopped playing or subbing and yet I redeemed my CREDD only when the game asked me, that is, probably, a few hours/minutes after my sub expired.
 
Because of this I'm not entitled to get the Loyalty rewards, right?
 
CREDD redemption are not even tracked...
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The line is arbitrary, unfair, and thoughtless.
It's not a celebration of enduring "the bad times" it's a blue ribbon for anyone who managed to be lucky enough to not let their sub lapse.
 
 
And yes, I'm angry.  I'm *cupcake*ing pissed the *cupcake*off, and I have a right to be.  I've stressed myself over the health of this game to be deemed "unloyal" by some arbitrary rules and it *cupcake*ING HURTS.
Name calling and trying to invalidate my feelings with your ruthless apathy won't make this any less wrong in my eyes.
 
So yeah,  offence taken.
Offence taken about 3 posts ago.
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No offense, but your posts make you sound like the same person who just happens to have gotten their way this time.
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I have it from the 28th, but i believe the post literally says i think 3 or 5 july. They count from the first day not the early access.
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So I finally got a chance to really read all the stuff on the FAQ page (I'm at work and posting from my phone, have mostly just been reading the feedback) and here's how I feel:
 
It's weird. I know I've never liked F2P but this is the first time I've decided to stick with something transitioning because I love this game so much.
 
The restrictions on free accounts are fine. I'm going to assume the free accounts will level with current live drop 5 XP and signature accounts will get the xp boost on top of what we're used to. That sounds great, because current leveling is perfect IMO. (But I love leveling, so I never understood arguments of it being too slow or boring)
 
The loyalty program is... Weird. I don't like that it can stack with signature account stuff. If I'm subbing I want everything to stay the same, I don't want to deal with a program that is meant to give free accounts more access. If you're telling me that my level of crafting / XP / whatever is the top tier for subbing than keep it that way. Don't make me do something else to increase it to the "actual" top tier. Really dislike the stacking option.
 
I didn't see anything in the FAQ about microtransactions / cash shop, but I did read an interview regarding that. cash shop and sub is fine to me as long as it's all cosmetic. I'll wait for a website post on that. Any in game currency that can be used in the cash shop, I'd like to see signature members collect that currency faster, but that's just me.
 
Overall it all feels weird. I hate having to think about what other players do and don't have access to and what stacks with my sub or doesn't.
 
If the game continues to be fun I'll be here, but I'm cautious	
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Roda speaks for me.
 
Oh well, hey ... Crowfall, amiright? At least I can make my donation now and never be deemed disloyal there.
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If one has used nothing but C.R.E.D.D ingame for their subscription, but also has Time from Boxes from the Mystery Box Promotion, will we still get these rewards? I'm paranoid now I won't receive rewards like the DJ Decor and such because this doesn't count as an active subscription. It even says on the site that I don't have an active subscription:
 
http://i.gyazo.com/33f218a2e2367745c0d903b2170188c0.png
 
Any clarification please would be awesome.	
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			C'mon, baby-- that other game didn't mean anything to me. It was just a little fling. You know I've only ever REALLY loved YOU...	
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I'm not going to complain, but I see where you're coming from. It would be nice if they did this...
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Well, Wildstar launched on June 3rd...so you're a month off.
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			Also: what up with the character creation limit? I get there has to be a limit, even for sub accounts, but why 12? Would much prefer 50 or something	
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That's just it though. The option is either put cosmetics (Which don't affect gameplay) in the cash shop, or to nickel and dime players just to be able to play the game.
 
I can tell you what I prefer, as well as a majority of people out there.
 
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A lot of account pages will say July 3rd because of some early glitchiness with payment methods and the 30 free days. There's enough inconsistencies with the way the page generates that date that I feel comfortable in saying DO NOT TRUST IT.
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How I personally think it should work is that they set the line in the sand in number of months subbed. In this case it would be 15 months or however long it is until f2p goes live. Subbing after the conversion still counts to your total, that way any player that shows the "loyalty" other have can still get the rewards. This includes the new f2p players the game will attract.
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The line is arbitrary, unfair, and thoughtless.
It's not a celebration of enduring "the bad times" it's a blue ribbon for anyone who managed to be lucky enough to not let their sub lapse.
A lot of shit can happen in a year and managing to endure it isn't some grand achievement like WoW's 10 year sub rewards.
 
And yes, I'm angry.  I'm *cupcake*ing pissed the *cupcake*off, and I have a right to be.  I've stressed myself over the health of this game far too much to be deemed "unloyal" by some arbitrary rules and it *cupcake*ING HURTS.
Name calling and trying to invalidate my feelings with your ruthless apathy won't make this any less wrong in my eyes, and it won't make you any more "rational."  It just makes you unpleasant to talk to.
 
So yeah,  offence taken.
Offence taken about 3 posts ago.
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yea... i kinda dislike abos so i resub every single month since relauch with some hours between subs... (work and shit like that)
 
kinda sad this doesnt count as:
"being here since launch and supporting the game"	
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The line is arbitrary, unfair, and thoughtless.
It's not a celebration of enduring "the bad times" it's a blue ribbon for anyone who managed to be lucky enough to not let their sub lapse.
A lot of shit can happen in a year and managing to endure it isn't some grand achievement like WoW's 10 year sub rewards.
 
And yes, I'm angry.  I'm *cupcake*ing pissed the *cupcake*off, and I have a right to be.  I've stressed myself over the health of this game far too much to be deemed "unloyal" by some arbitrary rules and it *cupcake*ING HURTS.
Name calling and trying to invalidate my feelings with your ruthless apathy won't make this any less wrong in my eyes, and it won't make you any more "rational."  It just makes you unpleasant to talk to.
 
So yeah,  offence taken.
Offence taken about 3 posts ago.
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Well, congratulations, kids, you doomed another game to be an F2P cesspool of a "game." You can kiss any and all semblance of quality goodbye, as now the money doesn't come from retention, but instead milking whales. The game will be made to be so unbearable without paying that you'll be all but forced to pay.
 
Exclusively paid for content? Yeah, expect a lot of that. That new raid people are taking about? That'll be part of it.
 
Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised though. Games aren't made for the sake of gaming anymore. They're just a big cash grab.
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Well, the account pages are pretty messed up, so lets hope the data is right on the back end.
 
In my case, under Transaction History, it only goes back to December. But in the subscription tab, it states May 28, 2014.
 
And believe me I've never had any lapses or expired credit cards or volcanos or anything.	
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The line is arbitrary, unfair, and thoughtless.
It's not a celebration of enduring "the bad times" it's a blue ribbon for anyone who managed to be lucky enough to not let their sub lapse.
A lot of shit can happen in a year and managing to endure it isn't some grand achievement like WoW's 10 year sub rewards.
 
And yes, I'm angry.  I'm *cupcake*ing pissed the *cupcake*off, and I have a right to be.  I've stressed myself over the health of this game far too much to be deemed "unloyal" by some arbitrary rules and it *cupcake*ING HURTS.
Name calling and trying to invalidate my feelings with your ruthless apathy won't make this any less wrong in my eyes, and it won't make you any more "rational."  It just makes you unpleasant to talk to.
 
So yeah,  offence taken.
Offence taken about 3 posts ago.
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			So, what would this thread turn into if Carbine decided to throw in an additional reward for the "90% loyal"? Say they add in a new hoverboard complete with flairs? So Ikthian mount and title for the 100%, hoverboard & flairs for the 90%, then the other 2 items and title for the "subbed up until changeover"? Would that stop the "I didn't get a thing for being almost as on-board as the most on-board person"?	
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Still using players as scapegoats I see. Never the developers fault eh?
 
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So, what would this thread turn into if Carbine decided to throw in an additional reward for the "90% loyal"? Say they add in a new hoverboard complete with flairs? So Ikthian mount and title for the 100%, hoverboard & flairs for the 90%, then the other 2 items and title for the "subbed up until changeover"? Would that stop the "I didn't get a thing for being almost as on-board as the most on-board person"?
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Also: what up with the character creation limit? I get there has to be a limit, even for sub accounts, but why 12? Would much prefer 50 or something
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			WILDSTAR IS COMING TO BE FREE!! THIS IS MOST BEATIFUL DAY OF MY...("realizes that free to play means in game real money shop, lots of locked content and that devs needed to do this because game was dying") ...live... Hopefully much isn't locked  :(	
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To the people who are concerned about previously having to cancel auto-renew a few times in the past... did your account ever actually run out of time? From what I can gather from the dev replies, even if you canceled your renewal, so long as you entered in a new payment soon enough that you didn't have any days where you were unable to access your account, then you will get the title/mount rewards.
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			My subscription reads "cancelled" because after I started paying with CREDD I cancelled the credit card sub. I have been playing solely on CREDD since the very first month and therefore I have been a current sub, but it reads cancelled. Curious if I'll get any of the loyalty rewards. 	
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News flash, Wildstar community, just because you aren't affected by something doesn't make it not a problem.
 
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That's just it though. The option is either put cosmetics (Which don't affect gameplay) in the cash shop, or to nickel and dime players just to be able to play the game.
 
I can tell you what I prefer, as well as a majority of people out there.
 
...What?
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A masterful solution.
 
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Unfortunately no. In order to be eligible you must have had your game registered at launch and stayed continuously subscribed (without a single day of interruption) until the transition to Free to Play.
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I had 3month sub at first, then cancelled it, then when it worn off I immediatly reactivated it but with 1sub, so I would've been without a sub for only a few minutes.. guess  I'm still cupcaked then? : <
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So your game neighbor (GW2) is one of the most successful B2P MMO's and you decide to go F2P?
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I would say, this is highly dependent on how you play the game.
 
Let me give you the definition of gameplay:
"Gameplay is the specific way in which players interact with a game, and in particular with video games. Gameplay is the pattern defined through the game rules, connection between player and the game, challenges and overcoming them, plot and player's connection with it."
 
I am a roleplayer. And I like Fluff. This is a big part for me when playing MMORPGs. This is not how most players play, I know! But cosmetics still affect gameplay! Not yours, obviously. But mine, for example.
 
You can happily argue that this is a rare way to play, but don't try to downplay certain elements of games, just because you do not care for them.
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So, what would this thread turn into if Carbine decided to throw in an additional reward for the "90% loyal"? Say they add in a new overboard complete with flairs? So Ikthian mount and title for the 100%, hoverboard & flairs for the 90%, then the other 2 items and title for the "subbed up until changeover"? Would that stop the "I didn't get a thing for being almost as on-board as the most on-board person"?
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Look, I do apologize if the snark felt bad.  If I had it within my power I would grandfather you in.  I know you and Tex and others are devoted and passionate and been part of the community and all that good stuff.  If I could GIVE you whatever tchotchke they offer, I would.  And maybe they can look at their metrics and their databases and try to draw a more inclusive line.
 
However
 
EVERY LINE IS 100% ARBITRARY in this case.
 
What are YOU gonna tell Nexus Junior why you have mount/title/etc when they love it just as much as you and they fell on the other side of whatever line?  
 
And for the future.  People are worth being passionate over.  Not products.  Not companies.  If I had to guess, the passion is for your guild, all the work you put into Wildseed and the related stories (and Tex into Saddles).  Carbine is a facilitator and the award of a prize for meeting some WHOLLY arbitrary line in the sand from their marketing department means very little.  Your people are the important part.
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I am being understandably suspicious towards a company whose primary interest is making me spend as much money as possible.
 
 
Rift doesn't offer a stipend. Instead it offers discount prices to subscribers.
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So, what would this thread turn into if Carbine decided to throw in an additional reward for the "90% loyal"? Say they add in a new hoverboard complete with flairs? So Ikthian mount and title for the 100%, hoverboard & flairs for the 90%, then the other 2 items and title for the "subbed up until changeover"? Would that stop the "I didn't get a thing for being almost as on-board as the most on-board person"?
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Man so this is really it...
I will always love pre-F2P Wildstar, honestly my biggest regret was not enjoying it while it lasted.
The game had so much potential, it's a shame to see it all go, and even worse, to not be able to experience it anymore after this fall.	
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I'll admit I'm sad on missing out on the mount :( I hadn't heard of the game until after launch, but I've been here since I tried it, and still love it. I'll continue to sub afterward, too, as both an officer in a guild, and an avid housing addict, as well as I believe the money helps the developers improve the game and give us more drops. It seems harsh on those of us who have been loyal, but have been unlucky in certain respects (to those as well who had to stop b/c of school or what not). I get the idea behind the loyalty rewards, but man....I'd kill for that mount. Hopefully something similar is added in game...
 
Or maybe an addition could be anybody who has subbed for a certain time consistently (say you subbed for 3 or 6 months consistently, since that seems pretty loyal as well....)	
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You and my 3hrs away from launch day :'c
We'll just have to beg CS when the time comes ....
 
/hugs tuff 
 
I just want to point out, most of the people who are complaining about the lack of mount/title are people who have HAD A SUB THE WHOLE TIME except for a few minutes/hours.
 
Mine is literally 2 or 3 hours. My sub started 4th, this apparently means i'm not entitled.
 
It makes me sad because I have been loyal and never let my sub lapse, but hey... whatever :( Thanks crabenie, still love you even if you're being unfair (again)
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That tells me right there I will not be continuing my subscription. 1/2 a day downtime screws you for the mount.  Bad policy.
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there is hope that CS might be able to help in the future, im going to give it a shot, but i am not holding my breath for it.
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Omnibits are non-tradeable and you cannot exchange other currencies for them
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Please don't make assumptions. I absolutely love making costumes, outfits, and digging up mounts. I know where you're coming from. But ultimately, cosmetics are not gameplay. They might enhance gameplay for certain subsects of gamers (IE: Roleplayers), but they are still not 'gameplay.' You still have access to a tremendous variety of outfits, and other cosmetics even without the cash shop, not to mention future added gear that is not in the cash shop. (Please don't go "But what if the costume I want is in the cash shop?!")
 
The choice is to either limit gameplay or limit items that enhance gameplay for a portion of people but otherwise have no effect on gameplay.
 
 
 
And my experience is that F2P players are just like anyone else. There's plenty of crappy people who pay a sub fee, and plenty of decent people who can't afford to/don't want to/wanted to try it that will come from F2P.
 
People are not binary, and frankly you come across as pompous and judgemental for condemning the new players who give the game a shot because it's F2P.
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Honestly, you're right.  I've expressed that I would prefer this to be an in-game acquisition (seriously carbine, starcomm) or at least have the line be a semipermeable membrane instead of a brick-ass *cupcake*ing wall so that way there's no animosity between the haves and the havenots because the havenots could always join the haves.  (And the standard f2p havesVShavenots  battle has already started with the "freeloader" comments in this thread)
But people like being special snowflakes and they want their line.
The problem with Carbine's arbitrary line is that it has absolutely no margin for error and no way to know it was coming (and yeah subbing for the full year just for the mount isn't loyalty, but it is a factor).  My proposed arbitrary line  (though I like Cengreth's idea better) was to create a bit of wiggle room as a more of an "early adopter" perk. Though, once again. Cengreth's idea is brilliant.
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			Is there any way to see your entire account subscription history besides the most recent re-sub and your last cancel? Not sure where people are looking to see if they've failed it for a few hours or something.	
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Unfortunately no. In order to be eligible you must have had your game registered at launch and stayed continuously subscribed (without a single day of interruption) until the transition to Free to Play.
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			The big question here is: will i get the mount if i failed the sub for a few hours?	
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So they can sell additional slots to people who want them. 12 is a perfectly acceptable number (2 of every class, either faction) and having more is well within the realm of a paid extra.
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			sorry but this makes zero sense for loyal players who needed to change payment cards due to exp.date- and new cards acted like a new game activation.	
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The big question here is: will i get the mount if i failed the sub for a few hours?
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The big question here is: will i get the mount if i failed the sub for a few hours?
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You should give us the name of the 6 people that actually meet this eligibility requirement so we can appreciate their achievement.
 
This requirement is pretty absurd,,I know a couple people who lapsed for a day or two, and a bunch that lapsed for a week or so, and I bet hundreds of others were subbed for 11 months out of the 12, but they all get screwed?
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There is something I'm not sure I understood well in the FAQ.
 
It seems to me that there are kinda 3 models, and not just 2 there :
 
Total Free players (never bought box, never sub and won't sub) we know what their restrictions are. 
In the middle : Loyalty not subbing any more after F2P. (bought box and subbed x months between launch and F2P then stop subbing after F2P launch) 
People that sub and will go on. (box + loyalty + signature). 
It looks like the second category (that bought box, subbed, but then will stop subbing when game goes F2P) will get the experience that we currently have as a sub nowadays, and even with a few bonuses (that we don't have right now) for crafting and such...
 
And then Signature (3rd category) will get the same as 2nd category plus a few bonuses like auction houses, XP bonuses, currency bonuses, login queue bypass, and such...
 
Is that what people understand of the F2P FAQ also ?	
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You should give us the name of the 6 people that actually meet this eligibility requirement so we can appreciate their achievement.
 
This requirement is pretty absurd,,I know a couple people who lapsed for a day or two, and a bunch that lapsed for a week or so, and I bet hundreds of others were subbed for 11 months out of the 12, but they all get screwed?
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except the people who are complaining about it are the ones that have been there since launch and before..
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But there has to be a line drawn somewhere, no? Otherwise you're always going to upset someone.
 
Everyone who buys and subscribes even now gets everything EXCEPT for one mount and one title, and I think that's pretty fair for players who have remained loyal for every minute so far.
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except the people who are complaining about it are the ones that have been there since launch and before..
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The big question here is: will i get the mount if i failed the sub for a few hours?
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But there has to be a line drawn somewhere, no? Otherwise you're always going to upset someone.
 
Everyone who buys and subscribes even now gets everything EXCEPT for one mount and one title, and I think that's pretty fair for players who have remained loyal for every minute so far.
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No, you won't.
 
Apparently you weren't loyal enough.
 
I'd rather the bar was set a little lower. They have this "loyalty point" system, why not use that?
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How are you deemed unloyal when you are missing out on two things that are intended for just those players and don't even know what the whole actual loyalty system holds? 
You are acting as if you are getting nothing at all, what is simply exaggerating. You do not meet the requirements for all the rewards that's all, your personal investment in the game is irrelevant in this sorry. Also said you are behaving as a child, i didn't call you any name i merely wrote down how you are currently coming across. 
 
I understand your position however as i said before a line has been drawn for the full pack, otherwise you can continue to argue high and low who really deserves it especially if you begin like you are doing from the position of how much "emotionally involved" you are with this game, it's a street with no end.
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Not a fan of that idea. In my perfect world, sub is the end game. Best deal.
 
You want everything the game has to offer? You sub (credd, whatever)
 
You want everything gameplay wise but don't care as much about storage, cosmetic, etc? Go free, and pay for individual items / unlocks you are interested in. (This would include character slots)
 
I want a world where sub is 100% best bang for your buck and gives you all wildstar has to offer
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			Did I miss what they are doing with the Deluxe version?  Will that still be a thing or is it going away?	
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There is something I'm not sure I understood well in the FAQ.
 
It seems to me that there are kinda 3 models, and not just 2 there :
 
Total Free players (never bought box, never sub and won't sub) we know what their restrictions are. 
In the middle : Loyalty not subbing any more after F2P. (bought box and subbed x months between launch and F2P then stop subbing after F2P launch) 
People that sub and will go on. (box + loyalty + signature). 
It looks like the second category (that bought box, subbed, but then will stop subbing when game goes F2P) will get the experience that we currently have as a sub nowadays, and even with a few bonuses (that we don't have right now) for crafting and such...
 
And then Signature (3rd category) will get the same as 2nd category plus a few bonuses like auction houses, XP bonuses, currency bonuses, login queue bypass, and such...
 
Is that what people understand of the F2P FAQ also ?
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Should set the bar to 365 days of subscription time prior to the transfer to F2P. But, you know that would be too sensable.
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But for one reason or another, their account lapsed for a small period of time. If there's truly a technical error as to why, I am positive Carbine will handle that thorough customer service properly. For example, if it really counts changing billing methods as a cancellation with a lapse. It didn't for me, but if it did for someone, I am sure they'll make it right.
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I've had more problems with people in P2P games than F2P games. All I have to say is ..........Barrens Chat.................
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