146769-seriously-classes-are-getting-ruined-already-make-the-game-easier-not-harder

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I have to leave enough groups because they are too weak for a dungeon already!
Healing a Dungeon with a spellslinger is near impossible. I have an item level of 82, and i think i have never seen a single dungeon run without multiple people dying, because my lv 80 set runes don't seem to be good enough to keep anyones health up.
 
This is completely stupid. The only spell that allows me to do some actual healing, and delete my whole mana pool in 10 seconds, is getting nerfed to complete crap... Heals 30% instead of 40% of my Support now, and some other garbage... Now, even though i have pretty much "out equipped" dungeons, i still can't do a decent dungeon run.
 
If you want the game to be harder for some people that have nothing else in life to boast about, just add "actual veteran" dungeons, and don't be so lazy that you just make ONE kind of endgame dungeon... I don't want to play with level 10 players that have no idea what they do, just to be able to do Protogames Academy.
 
Now my useless class is forced even more into the "raid healer" position, and i basically have to leave dungeon groups even more.
I have never beat Skullcano, since the camera is too crap to be able to properly watch multiple lasers, and now it is even harder...
 
Just what is wrong with the developers of this game? Are they just trying to lose more players and cause more problems?
There are thousands of year old bugs, why not fix them? why start destroying classes already? Do i seriously have to level a new damn character to 50 / ilvl80+ to be able to do dungeons, without having to "glue my eyes to the screen, and never take your hand off your mouse even for a second so you can actually talk with your team"?
The ammount of attention that you have to pay is already way too high, it's so high, that you can't actually do ANY tactics, and now... everything is even harder to heal...
This stupid class tweaking is a complete joke. Just like the Patch notes in general... anyone read them? They are a huge mess, at first i thought "where are the class names?" and then at the end of the list it says "Spellslinger" "Engineer" "Esper"... Yea... that's not where the class names belong... they belong ABOVE their patched skills... Can't even get THAT right...
 
Seriously, i don't even care about leaving my group anymore. Game is way too hard, everything is getting 25% harder now, since i have 25% less heal in the situations that actually matter, and... welp.. i am done with dying on one spot 20 times just because the ignorant team keeps begging "come on, one more try! we can do it!"... No, no we can't, this is stupid, this is too hard, i am out... Not my fault that the developers were to lazy to put actual lv 50 dungeons in the game, and skipped straight to elite content. Why are the devs so... "tryharding" to scare away everyone who is not an extreme pro player? I play MMO for far over 10 years, 15 i'd almost say... and man... i thought i was hardcore, having reached max level in burning crusade in a few days with like... 10 hours sleep in total... but no... that is apparently not pro enough for Wildstar. Me and my best buddy, being Nr.1 (him) and Nr.3 (me) in Aion for the first few weeks until the game bored us.... nope, note hardcore enough...
 
We were literally the best at "adapting to a new enviroment"... but NOOOO, THAT is NOT elite enough for THIS game... On lv 50 that is... everything before that is so easy it makes you fall asleep... like the "2 player enemies" that you can just always easily beat alone... NO skill needed at all... and then... BAM, VETERAN!
 
Seriously can't believe how badly designed this is, and i will never understand how "6 year old timmy" manages to beat skullcano, while i, who was in top rankings in multiple decent (not games that nobody knows) games, can't even survive the freaking jumping puzzle... (No, seriously, if i don't have someone in my group who can teleport, i leave... I tried the jumping thing 1 million times, camera is too crap for that, since you need a moving camera to properly see 3d, having the camera follow you like it's on a stick, doesn't help at all, and controlling the camera independent from your character, while you move, is pretty much impossible)
 
As i already said... the devs don't care about us, and i don't care about other players anymore either, if you want me to heal people, give me a damn useful heal, i don't have a single useful heal left. If you don't want me to heal teams that are not ilvl90, remove the stupid deserter debuff already. It's so dumb that you get that debuff from leaving a group that is too weak for a dungeon anyways...	
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			C1 Vitality Burst needed some form of nerf (and C2/C3 needed to be buffed), because frankly it's a little silly that spellslingers could just spam the first charge of a basic spell and outheal just about everyone. They needed to make C2 and C3 more appealing to use - I'm not sure if it will be enough, but we'll see.	
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Wat
 
...And now that I've gotten past the first wave of disbelief at what I was reading, here's something semi constructive; they changed VB because they don't want people to use it as a spammer. Pick up Runic Healing and figure out your build. I don't even know what else to say, because firstly this is a learn2play (+build) issue, and second it seems you're really not open for suggestions or interested in improving because you already made up your mind that the game is too hard, your class is shit and there's nothing you can do. I can't be bothered.
			
				
	Edited November 11, 2015 by Revon	
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			With this name... l2p! Have fun! 	
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			Thank you for the comedy this morning!	
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			Thanks for the lolz here is a link to SSM video that took my group 4 hours at launch. Nothing the devs have done has made the game harder in anyway. Yours truely everyone else who has had to progress in vet dungeons at launch with 8k HP for dps and healers. http://www.twitch.tv/perrysnagy/c/4559262	
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			VB was a little overtune at charge one it had to be rolled back. 	
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Runic healing is garbage, doesn't drain my Mana or heal anything.
I am open to any suggestion, but my healing is completely useless, then i found ONE guide after hours of googling that said "you can just spam this, because it doesnt blow your charges", i was happy that i could finally actually heal people, and not just... stand there and seemingly switch my gun on and off... because that's what runic healing looks like... I have 3 things that restore my mana, i am almost always at 100%, i have enough set runes that should boost my heal output to be at least decent in dungeons, but now, again, i will always be at 100% mana, because the only spell that uses it up, is now even more useless.
I have pretty much only 3 heals that are not garbage. The spammy one, the salve, and the circle heal, every other spell is just worthless, because they are either... well, just bad, or you have to aim them. I use 1 spell that i have to really aim, the shield one, and i miss it 90% of the time. I see how the tank is EXACTLY in the middle of the green area, and it apparently still misses...
So, please DO tell me what spell i can use, that is not useless, because seriously... Runic does NOTHING... the numbers are a complete joke... and standing still is not an option in any vet dungeon...
 
 
@ I have no problems with my medic!
 
Ya rly? Maybe because HE was NOT nerfed? XD
My class is being pushed more into the raid healer corner, and i dont even want to do raids...
As far as i remember, Medic is the one, who is good in Dungeons, isn't he?
 
Wouldn't have minded so much, if on character creation it gave you a warning, that this class will suck in dungeons, and be good in raids. Because that is EXACTLY the opposite of what i made my character for.
 
@ Learn more
Where and what? The game teaches you nothing after lv 10. And i doubt that i can "learn" to have a less crappy camera, because that is what makes skullcano etc impossible.
			
				
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			It's taking all of my willpower to not make a snarky comment. I'm not even going to make a "medics are superior healers" joke... I'm just going to weep in a corner at what the (player base of) this game has become....	
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			Seems like you have to learn some more dude, cause you say you have 82 itm lvl and full runed, but i dont have any problems in my new medic (rerroled warhound but still love medics) who has mixed  gear from adventure/dungeons and only runes on the weapon for healing the first 4 dungeons (STL, KV, SC and SSM) at this moment. Also asked my guildies SS healers and they say they are still fine maybe more intensity and focus recover but  the dungeons are still easy to do, so my guess will be you are poorly managing your LAS build or  your secondary stats arent good for a healer. gotta check that	
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			VB was never intended to be a spammer actually pretty sure they just gave up because they couldn't fix the bug from beta and just made it into an actual thing but weaker	
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If it was never intended to be a spam spell, then why has it 0s cooldown?
This pretty much is the definition of a spell that you can spam...
It's completely stupid to change that. So annoying that they "teach you how to play", by giving you stuff, the game is already too hard, and then they take the stuff you learned to play with, away... good job... much fun...
 
If anyone knows how to not completely suck with a healslinger now, plz tell me. But please no runic healing, i tried that often enough, last time yesterday, and in my damage build, i could not even use that spell to restore health inbetween fights, because it is THAT pathetic. There is just no chance to heal even a lv 120 tank with that garbage. And yes, i do keep salve and the circle heal on cd... just like void pact...
 
I am off to some more "lurking in the queue and leaving groups that are too weak"... No chance to properly support (don't want to say carry) a group at all anymore... In the past i could handle emergeny situations BARELY... really really close to death.... with VB, but now that i can't do that anymore... why should i even try again when the group dies once?
 
Only way we have to play in the queue... wait, and hope that you actually get a good group, or leave them instantly...
 
Really sad what the pve content has become... Before 50 it was so awesome, and once you reach 50, it's just a big dumb "get a pro guild that carries you, or deal with completely unskilled players with lv 40 items in your group" fest...
 
Seriously, why is there not even an ilvl restriction? I have seen other games, where you could not even enter an area, until your item level was (at one point) X or higher... Just WHY are people with lv 40 items allowed to enter dungeons?
			
				
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So as a healing slinger and that being my favorite class role to play I have to say you are suffering form this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
 
If we break all this down, the nerf was needed my parses were around 45-50% VB spam, I could literally run my focus pool to 0 and still spam VB and keep full groups alive without any rotation or any other buttons. That is broken. I'm going to miss having that "backup I can heal anyone forever" button but it wasn't needed. You probably need to learn your rotations and pace yourself, spell slingers run out of focus/mana faster than any other healing class.
 
Are you always keeping healing salve up? Do you time your 2nd charge for sustain when you know a big hit or aoe is coming? Do you spam the single hit sustain as a supplement? Have you hit cap on ability tier points? It makes a difference to T8 three skills or T4 a whole bunch.
 
 
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Seriously, i don't even care about leaving my group anymore. Game is way too hard, everything is getting 25% harder now, since i have 25% less heal in the situations that actually matter, and... welp.. i am done with dying on one spot 20 times just because the ignorant team keeps begging "come on, one more try! we can do it!"... No, no we can't, this is stupid, this is too hard, i am out... Not my fault that the developers were to lazy to put actual lv 50 dungeons in the game, and skipped straight to elite content. Why are the devs so... "tryharding" to scare away everyone who is not an extreme pro player? I play MMO for far over 10 years, 15 i'd almost say... and man... i thought i was hardcore, having reached max level in burning crusade in a few days with like... 10 hours sleep in total... but no... that is apparently not pro enough for Wildstar. Me and my best buddy, being Nr.1 (him) and Nr.3 (me) in Aion for the first few weeks until the game bored us.... nope, note hardcore enough...
 
We were literally the best at "adapting to a new enviroment"... but NOOOO, THAT is NOT elite enough for THIS game... On lv 50 that is... everything before that is so easy it makes you fall asleep... like the "2 player enemies" that you can just always easily beat alone... NO skill needed at all... and then... BAM, VETERAN!
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"these spells are bad cus you have to aim them" 
 
 
... why the hell are you playing a telegraph based MMO if you don't want to aim spells o.o
 
Honestly, at the moment from your post I can't take it seriously, slinger is very well equipped to deal with healing dungeons, pvp and raids... people have been doing it even when they were weak(ish) nearer the beginning of the p2p launch.	
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			Every drop they make game easier.	
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You can also make the game harder by sitting on nails. Try that.
It is NOT refreshing, it is ONLY difficult, and also pretty stupid.
 
I tried as hard as i could, and as i said, it was better then pretty much everyone on the european Aion server for example, this means, i pretty much know what i am doing, i know how to read skills, i know how to make a build, i know how to move a damn character, for like 15 years now, and yet, i have NO chance to do ANY decent healing in this game... that is plain stupid.
 
Besides that, i never blamed anyone else, unless it's lv 40 item guys, that EVERYONE would blame and kick out of the instance. I am just saying that me and a buddy, were really good at simmilar games, how comes, that it is seemingly IMPOSSIBLE for me, to find a decent heal build? Not even the INTERNET knows one... *cupcake*... The only guide out there, is from like... mid 2014... NOBODY understands those stupid spells, since most of them often react completely different then you would expect.
 
"Heals a billion health" YAY "But secretly helas the enemy for 2 times as much".... RLY???
"Heals some ppl for a bit" What a useless spell "But you can ignore the charges, it doesnt unload surge, and when on c1, it has 0 cd!" OMG!!!
 
Spells are never what they seem to be. The spell that lets you heal 1 guy, is WAY weaker then the spell that lets you heal 5 guys at once.... WHAT KIND OF LOGIC IS THAT??? Should a single target spell not be ALWAYS stronger then a spell that hits multiple targets? (if they are otherwise the same)...
 
Edit: You could say that i BLAME the devs, for allowing people with unfitting item levels, to enter the dungeons...
If you leave your meat on the table, and the dog eats it, that is NOT the dog's fault, he doen't know any better...
			
				
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If it was never intended to be a spam spell, then why has it 0s cooldown?
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You don't seem to get the point bud... for those that want a challenge and not to blindly walk through - it is refreshing.
 
You need to accept you and your buddy might not be as good as you think you are. Sorry hard life truths right there, it happens. No one is the best at everything. There's plenty of amazing skateboarders but not everyone can do the park and the vert and big air. They got to relearn those new skills and adapt what they knew from something similar to something new.
 
Slinger healing is just fine - gotta get over that and learn your class and perfect your own build. There are three viable options right now and you haven't named half the skills that are still useful. You want to read a guide, copy it and win. Sorry man that's why not lots of guides on the net because players won't learn the game by copy pasting a guide. There's a good bit of guides on reddit, there's a whole set by engima but you might need to signup  for forum access.
 
From all your comments about the spells you don't understand them and the mechanics or situations they should be used. I'm not going to hold your hand through it that is part of what you need to learn if you and your buddy wanna be the "best" at this game too like your other ones.
 
I tried as hard as i could, and as i said, it was better then pretty much everyone on the european Aion server for example, this means, i pretty much know what i am doing, i know how to read skills, i know how to make a build, i know how to move a damn character, for like 15 years now, and yet, i have NO chance to do ANY decent healing in this game... that is plain stupid.
 
This whole thing is pointless as a statement or any proof of your skill on this game. I don't know what you did on Aion nor does it truly matter in the long run but there's a million variable to why you might have succeeded there vs here. Especially if you raced to the top first and became "the best" before most players got there. You might not fought the really amazing player that has a 40 hr a week job and took his time to hit level cap. But he wrecks everyone when he gets on cause he knows his shit. ~ lots of situation variables to account for. But it is clear on wildstar you don't know these things - lots of people play slinger and it works just fine... you just haven't found your sweet spot yet.	
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Read your post again, from an outsiders point of view.
 
Then go to the spellslinger area of the forum, and read some of the great topics there that have been put together by the community and will tell you all you need to know.
 
The game is not at fault for your inability and unwillingness to learn to play better. The game is not at fault for your lack of social skills and patience. Your issue is you think you are better than you are. You need to suck up your bitterness and appreciate the fact that this game ACTUALLY HAS A LEARNING CURVE and you're stuck at the bottom of it.
 
If you're on luminai dominion side, I'd be willing to help you out find a spec you're comfortable with and run some content with you. I'm not an exclusive pve'er by any means but I can run dungeons with no issue in my pvp gear (and even back at launch I was healing them in blue gear and the dungeons were even harder)	
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If you are on Entity, my guild is helping to host a Dungeon Training Circle... Ask in EntityLFM next time you get on, or find someone from Mistakes Were Made.
 
To someones point earlier... if you haven't played action-based games before, there is a significant learning curve. Yeah you can pick up the basics pretty quick, but WildStar at higher levels can be unforgiving. If this is really your "main account" I see you have been active since October 9th. So if you have only been playing the game a month, you have a lot to learn.
 
I am not saying that to be a douche. *going full hipster (never go full hipster)* The people who were here at launch had to suffer through hours of dungeon crawling to just get attuned. This was before power creep became a factor. So pardon us if we laugh at how the "newbies" view the difficulty now. It's not personal.
			
				
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Yup as much as I disagree with your attitude, I will offer my help as well. Warhound - Exile - Leapster TheCaptain
I can show you all 4 of my specs for dps/heal PVP dps/heal PVE and there are many alternatives to swapping different skills based on the fight.
Just stop with the blame and complain type threads and accept you got a long way to go to be good at this game.	
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here's your guide:forums.enigma-wildstar.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23&sid=b63dfea385e56332f72fbf3809c91af6
 
but maybe this forum has some builds too... just my opinion
 
for the other stuff: yo seem to be pretty lazy in general to figure things out and taking responsibility... as the guy above me said: "oh spell to expensive to spam? class is broken"... right attitude dude
 
YES! YOU WERE NUMBER 1 ON AION...
so what? learn the new environment. yes wildstar is hard... but that's the only reason i ever played it till endgame. Don't ask me what other MMOs offered since i already forgot them.
 
if you have camera issues: use automatic mouse look... didn't need it though when i first started playing wildstar
 
undegeared ppl: common sense tells me that i shouldn't enter a dungeon if my item level is below my character level... but thats another story
 
but well... have the strange feeling you just want to rage and don't care how you could improve yourself... because in aion you were number 1... so wildstar must be a bad game if you can't take it here 	
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[T]his means, i pretty much know what i am doing . . . ."
 
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"Not even the INTERNET knows one... *cupcake*... The only guide out there, is from like... mid 2014... NOBODY understands those stupid spells, since most of them often react completely different then you would expect." [sic]
 
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Oh, what a surprise, first dungeon run after the patch, and we die 2 times on that stupid boss in Kel Voreth, that spwans that spikes under you... The big area now slows you to like 1% movement speed, and kills you in 2 seconds...
Am i able to survive that by healing? No... am i able to dodge that stuff? No, because i have other things to watch but the ground, if i take my eyes of my teams health bars, they tend to be dead the next time i look at the bars... which is 2 seconds later...
 
Yea, seriously... good that they didn't make the game harder... what a freaking joke...
 
@ the people that still don't understand why i say things like the "aion" thing...
I say it, so people don't make stupid comments like "do you want me to explain how to move your character with w a s d?" Because you can SAFELY assume, that i KNOW how to freaking do THAT... i am not a noob, i am an experienced player, who has NO chance to do ANYTHING decent in this game...
 
 
Edit: Next try... group died on GROND.... ON GROND... and disbanded...
 
 
And btw, as i said, tell me a single skill that is useful besides salve, the spammy skill, and the circle heal. The shield is too hard to hit, like... when people run away from those search and destroy bots... it's impossible to use that spell, and that is when i need my healing / shields the most... The spammy spell at least allowed you to hit better, when you were further away, and missing ONE time, didnt rly matter, but if you miss the shield, the spell is on cd for like 15 or 20 seconds, it is just plain useless, you can't rely on it in emergency situations, when ppl start jumping and dodging like mad...
(And i mean heal spells that are useful, no need to tell me that gate, void pact, void slip and the mana spell, are useful)
 
 
@Rastrum...
Do you just post links or do you actually look what they are? Seriously, that is EXACTLY THE ONE GUIDE I AM TALKING ABOUT! Freaking read what you post... You are literally telling me "Hey, the nerf of VB is not so bad, just use VB instead!"
			
				
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			Zomg *blush* my favorite tank / future wildstar wifey found me on the forums!! I will hug you with heals tonight <3  (secretly prepares Charge Shot C3)	
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Oh, what a surprise, first dungeon run after the patch, and we die 2 times on that stupid boss in Kel Voreth, that spwans that spikes under you... The big area now slows you to like 1% movement speed, and kills you in 2 seconds...
Am i able to survive that by healing? No... am i able to dodge that stuff? No, because i have other things to watch but the ground, if i take my eyes of my teams health bars, they tend to be dead the next time i look at the bars... which is 2 seconds later...
 
Yea, seriously... good that they didn't make the game harder... what a freaking joke...
 
@ the people that still don't understand why i say things like the "aion" thing...
I say it, so people don't make stupid comments like "do you want me to explain how to move your character with w a s d?" Because you can SAFELY assume, that i KNOW how to freaking do THAT... i am not a noob, i am an experienced player, who has NO chance to do ANYTHING decent in this game...
 
 
Edit: Next try... group died on GROND.... ON GROND... and disbanded...
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Zomg *blush* my favorite tank / future wildstar wifey found me on the forums!! I will hug you with heals tonight <3  (secretly prepares Charge Shot C3)
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Oh, what a surprise, first dungeon run after the patch, and we die 2 times on that stupid boss in Kel Voreth, that spwans that spikes under you... The big area now slows you to like 1% movement speed, and kills you in 2 seconds...
Am i able to survive that by healing? No... am i able to dodge that stuff? No, because i have other things to watch but the ground, if i take my eyes of my teams health bars, they tend to be dead the next time i look at the bars... which is 2 seconds later...
 
Yea, seriously... good that they didn't make the game harder... what a freaking joke...
 
@ the people that still don't understand why i say things like the "aion" thing...
I say it, so people don't make stupid comments like "do you want me to explain how to move your character with w a s d?" Because you can SAFELY assume, that i KNOW how to freaking do THAT... i am not a noob, i am an experienced player, who has NO chance to do ANYTHING decent in this game...
 
 
Edit: Next try... group died on GROND.... ON GROND... and disbanded...
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Pretty sure the boss was changed in the patch, i ran through the red before about 1000 times, never slowed me before... Now its instant death because you can't get out...
 
 
@ all the other posts:
So, you have no advice but "put random skills into your bar, and join dungeons and see if you can heal them!"
Yea, rly, great advice, almost as unhelpful as the link that Rastrum posted... the link to the guide i am talking about... the one that DOES NOT WORK ANYMORE...
 
How are you supposed to learn more, if you can't do actual content, with different spells? You cant just... put something into your hotbar, and basically, destroy the dungeon run on purpose... I tried every single spell, that doesn't sound completely stupid, or has to be aimed and never hits the people i need to hit.
 
For the 10th time, name a spell besides the 3 that i names, that do any decent healing.... You can't, because there ARE NONE.
The only good spell is ruined, i can't heal properly anymore, and you guys keep talking about OLD guides and "that it is possible to learn"... well, no, it's not. You can't join a dungeon to learn, they are VETERAN!
You have time till lv 50 to learn, and after that, you have to be a master at the game. NO room for learning.
			
				
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You know... I was going to say something helpful, but you can't take advice. So... I retract my invite to our dungeon circle because you are going to do nothing but troll and complain the whole time.
 
Are you Dark Shado?	
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I also think this is an experience issue (with Wildstar not mmos in general). For instance, your example regarding Darkwitch Gurka in KV. When she does her ground aoe people should be running away from her and focusing on survival. You as a healer should be there to try and help, but if they're across the arena from you there's not much you can. At that point if they die its on them not you. Point being, there are some (many) mechanics in Wildstar where it is not the healers place to save the dps or the tank for that matter. Sometimes people just have to learn to dodge the red without relying on a constant IV of heals.
 
From your examples though it more sounds like you've been getting dungeon groups with a lot of new or inexperienced people. This is a relatively common experience since the f2p patch. The only way to work through it is to learn the mechanics, learn your classes advantages and limitations, and actually do the dungeons.
 
My suggestion to you is to try and avoid disbanding groups. I know its frustrating to wipe on mechanics that seem easy, or to blame other people in the group for screwing up, but that doesn't help anyone. If you're disbanding all the time after the first mistake, what kind of message does that send to everyone in the group? Does it let anyone experience and figure out the mechanics? If no one ever learns the fights how can they improve and do them better?
 
Patience is probably one of the most underrated virtues of this game. I cannot tell you how many dungeon runs I've wanted to disband because I felt the people in the group were terrible. But I always try and explain mechanics, do the best I can, work it through with people until they get it. That's the only way everyone's gonna get better and dungeon pugging will improve. Because I can tell you right now that if everyone is just disbanding over and over until they get into a group with 4 DS geared warriors then the pug situation is never going to improve.
 
Also, for the record, our spellslinger healer in my guild is our best healer XD, so I'm pretty sure they can be very effective healers if played correctly.	
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apparently you dont know how to move your char if the boss shreks you...
 
double jump back if she starts her cast, run in a circle away from her and back until 5 spikes got placed, fight her again. tell you ppl that if they dont get it. kick her kickable spell... success.
 
your so hard in rage mode right now that you cant even figure out mechanics anymore
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The people who were here at launch had to suffer through hours of dungeon crawling to just get attuned. This was before power creep became a factor. So pardon us if we laugh at how the "newbies" view the difficulty now. It's not personal.
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Nothing wrong with that guide. It's been updated for drop 6.
 
I've personally had no problem healing on my slinger, though haven't tried it today since the change. I'm sure I'll figure it out.
 
It used to be that you could spam T8 Runic Healing and heal 95% of dungeon encounters. I don't know if that's still true.
 
Sorry you had trouble with Gurka. Easiest plan is to not stand in the red. Just turn and run when you hear her start to cast. No one should be needing your heals at that point anyway.	
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You have time till lv 50 to learn, and after that, you have to be a master at the game. NO room for learning.
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"Tell everyone..."
You can't, if you try even typing 1 second, your team ends up dead.
 
"I was gonna be helpful but...."
Instead you decided to be just like everyone else...
 
"guide is up to date"
No, its from 1 1/2 years ago... and today the MAIN spell was reduced by like 25%... I spent the last WEEK to get a few more % better in healing, and whoop dee doo, just like that, TWENTY FIVE PERCENT.... are just gone...	
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Sorry you had trouble with Gurka. Easiest plan is to not stand in the red. Just turn and run when you hear her start to cast. No one should be needing your heals at that point anyway.
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"I was gonna be helpful but...."
Instead you decided to be just like everyone else...
 
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Do you remember when Stormtalon was like a raid boss?!
 
Hah.  The golden days of WS. 
 
PS: I always try to help "newbies" D:
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"guide is up to date"
No, its from 1 1/2 years ago... and today the MAIN spell was reduced by like 25%... I spent the last WEEK to get a few more % better in healing, and whoop dee doo, just like that, TWENTY FIVE PERCENT.... are just gone...
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			Everything has always been deadly with Gurka. You dodge the lines of red circles, you dodge the red telegraphs that follow you, and you interrupt the blind. I've done her since f2p and before f2p she has not changed at all.	
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You guys should try Gurken TODAY, and touch the big red area for ONE millisecond... i have the feeling that you didnt encounter that yet. You guys sound like you are talking about the "pre patch red area", which i walked through 100 times. Only the spikes below you were deadly, the last 100 times i did her.
 
Edit: again got to gurken, with the 3rd group since i made my first post / started playing today, again the group was like "wtf happened? and disbanded" even the lv 100+ tank was like "that's not normal..."
			
				
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You know... I was going to say something helpful, but you can't take advice. So... I retract my invite to our dungeon circle because you are going to do nothing but troll and complain the whole time.
 
Are you Dark Shado?
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You guys should try Gurken TODAY, and touch the big red area for ONE millisecond... i have the feeling that you didnt encounter that yet. You guys sound like you are talking about the "pre patch red area", which i walked through 100 times. Only the spikes below you were deadly, the last 100 times i did her.
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Bud, the problem though isnt just touching red or the change to Gurken if there is one or not...
 
YOUR ATTITUDE is what hold you back the most. We have offered plenty of suggestions and ideas you want everything spoon-fed to you on a silver platter... (you are shutting down and coming up with an excuse of why everything presented to you wont work WHEN IT DOES WORK FOR ALL OF US SUGGESTION IT - so ya it works, you just aren't doing it correctly - yet.)
 
No one expects you to type and heal mid fight. Explain the fight, talk through the stages then go do it. If you guys need to talk mid-fight you didn't spend enough time making sure everyone knew what to do before the fight. Although voice comms do help 1000% but you need to make friends and be friendly first to get a group to do that.
 
I did name some healing skills but sorry that you have to aim them? The whole game is based on telegraphs, the heals are based around being in the right position to make sure the Smart or unsmart casts hit the right people and the right amount of people... Are you truly geared? If you are ilvl 80 and have 1-2 pieces of ilvl100 from the contract board and maybe ilvl90 from a WB but the rest is ilvl60, you aren't geared up enough even though the your average ilvl might seem high enough. There are a lot of things to consider.	
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You know a lot of us have offered you help OP, but you've chosen to ignore me and others who offered.
 
I was being serious, I would actually sit down with you on ts or in game and talk you through the bosses in dungeons, the best spells and set up for healslinger, some tips and tricks for playing slinger... And once I'm done you're free to do whatever you want.
 
You need to get over yourself and actually admit you have a lot to learn with the game. It took me well over a month to be decent at slinger and even longer to get used to it in dungeons after playing as an esper for so long.	
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"Tell everyone..."
You can't, if you try even typing 1 second, your team ends up dead.
 
"I was gonna be helpful but...."
Instead you decided to be just like everyone else...
 
"guide is up to date"
No, its from 1 1/2 years ago... and today the MAIN spell was reduced by like 25%... I spent the last WEEK to get a few more % better in healing, and whoop dee doo, just like that, TWENTY FIVE PERCENT.... are just gone...
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You guys should try Gurken TODAY, and touch the big red area for ONE millisecond... i have the feeling that you didnt encounter that yet. You guys sound like you are talking about the "pre patch red area", which i walked through 100 times. Only the spikes below you were deadly, the last 100 times i did her.
 
Edit: again got to gurken, with the 3rd group since i made my first post / started playing today, again the group was like "wtf happened? and disbanded" even the lv 100+ tank was like "that's not normal..."
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Just had the same prob again, third group today, wiped mutiple times at gurken, and even the lv 100 tank agreed that this is not normal. The boss changed TODAY. Fact!
Besides that, i can't find anything that i could use as a main heal, there are only 2 heals that i can use fast, all the other stuff is stuff that you "keep on cooldown"...
I rly don't understand why they make the game so much harder, when it is already almost impossible to enjoy the game with the build in content finder...
Why do they teach you to use that thing for 49 levels, if, at the end, the content finder is basically useless, and the devs want you to deal with some stupid guild?
Man... i play when i want, and want to enjoy the content THEN, and not when some other people want me to do a certain thing for them...
Just add a freaking difficulty setting, that fits the content finder... Why even put it in the game, if you don't want us to use it, and make the content so hard, that it is impossible to beat with random groups?
Seriously... there are 2 dungeons that i can beat, and i fall asleep during those... Kel Voreth and Stormtalon's Lair... they were a complete joke until today. And all the other dungeons are so incredibly hard, that i could not even heal in them, when i had lv120 gear. because i highly doubt that 120 is 10 times as strong as 80, and if i am not 10 times as strong as now, i will NEVER be able to survive the skullcano boss, unless you get a lv 120 guy that knows how to deal with 2 lasers, the traps on the floor, AND the dumb ass camera, at the SAME TIME, and then nukes the boss somehow... Because that's how i got my key quest done... rofl...
 
Edit: Nobody has offered me ANY help, all you guys do, is discuss about "the possibility to learn" and that "if i was on your server, THEN you MIGHT be able to tell me a good build"
Sorry, but that is COMPLETELY useless, that is NO help at all. I asked you a simple question, and not a SINGLE PERSON is able to answer that, because you CAN'T answer that.
 
If you have nothing useful to say, leave the discussion, and stop spamming this "we are trying to help" over and over again.
You are NOT trying to help, you are trying to LOOK like you are helping, while being actually completely unhelpful.
This is like... you walk past someone who is locked out of his house, and freezing, and you give him a snickers...
Well... great, now you look good, but you actually did NOTHING to help that person!
 
 
@Rastrum, seriously, especially you need to stop your spam. You just repeat the same useless information over and over again. Already told you, according to google, the page where that guide was posted, was created around june or july (i think) 2014. It is EXTREMELY outdated, and COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS what you people say. Just read the FIRST line, about skills in your dumb guide... it says clearly "SPAM VB!!!" and you guys tell me that VB is NOT a spell meant to be spammed, THIS IS THE SPELL THAT WAS NERFED BY 25% TODAY!!!
Now PLEASE tell me where THIS is helpful!
 
In short, YOUR help is "You now heal 25% less when it comes do big dmg surges, deal with it!"
 
Why the heck does ONLY my class get nerfed? We are not that good for dungeons in the first place, and now it's just IMPOSSIBLE, and NOBODY here knows a solution but "lol l2p" "read the year old guide" or "zomg wronk game 4 u mite!"
			
				
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			There is a difficulty setting, just do normal mode instead and learn the encounter that way, then go up to vet.	
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i will NEVER be able to survive the skullcano boss, unless you get a lv 120 guy that knows how to deal with 2 lasers, the traps on the floor, AND the dumb ass camera, at the SAME TIME, and then nukes the boss somehow... Because that's how i got my key quest done... rofl...
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It is actually possible that Gurka had a bug introduced, btw, if telegraphs are hitting instantly (it's happened before- I saw a video of this happening in SC). This would be something to report, rather than rage about.
 
Yes, the guide probably needs tweaking as of today. Because this *just* changed. But the guide is not a year and a half old. See, he went back and edited it . . .
 
BTW, 120 gear is pretty OP. But I've healed these dungeons in ilvl 70 gear, on my slinger.
 
And SC and SSM aren't really harder than STL or KV, just a bit longer (and that last SC boss).
 
Group finder is quite useful. But then so our guilds. Not sure why you hate on guilds though.	
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Just had the same prob again, third group today, wiped mutiple times at gurken, and even the lv 100 tank agreed that this is not normal. The boss changed TODAY. Fact!
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YO!  
if you want help post us your skillset, gear and rune choices if your heal is really too low. by now you just rage that nobody helps and nobody really knows your problem since you whine bc the mechanics are too hard for you (that is the only thing you HAVE to learn by yourself).
maybe someone would even be able to help you and tweak around instead guessing and hear your qq.
 
if you even refuse to do that: shut the *cupcake* up already und learn to play	
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I did bug report it, but i can just assume that i got the exact same answer that i got on the last 5 million bug reports.
"Thanks for your feedback, but you should post this in the forums, that's where the devs actually read"
 
Besides that, since the patch every now and then i just get disconnected from an instance. After that i am outside, no group, and no deserter debuff...
Not that i cared much the last 3 times, because the groups were pretty bad anyways, and we would have disbanded later, but anyways... amazing how the patch made the whole game SO MUCH WORSE... it is just incredible...
 
So extremely glad that i resisted putting money in the game, when i wanted too... i knew endgame content would be incredibly bad, and then made even worse with patches. Thanks beta testers! We can always rely on YOU, since we can rely on the fact that devs will never change something, that they put "so much effort" into...  :P
 
Guess, for now. its watching youtube, and hoping that i randomly get a groups that can actually handle a dungeon with my pathetic heals... Since nobody can give any good advice. And doing the low level dungeons is not an alternative. One is not even below Veteran, and the rest is either insanely easy, or too hard for the players at that level, like SSM, that is WAY easier on 50, since on 40 NOBODY knows how to survive the first boss...
 
 
Edit: I don't like guilds, because usuall... well, they are just tiny player pools... If you don't want to play the game at fixed times, you pretty much have NO chance to find a group in your guild. I have tried Guilds in almost every game, and basically every time i am just... in the guild... every now and then you join an actual guild run, but that is WAY WAY more rare, then finding an actual good random grp, since... well, in other games you need to usually "unlock" the veteran stuff, not get access with max lv... This is why i will never really raid without a LFR tool, the one time per year, that i want to raid, when there is actually a group that wants to raid, is just not worth the trouble, then i have more chances of raiding by just afking in the area and hoping that someone asks for a random healer in the zone chat... Btw, good for you that you know how to jump and run, i play those games for like 25 years now, and i cant jump over the lasers in Skullcano when they appear the second time... No idea what i do wrong, the perception in this game is HORRIBLE, i NEVER land where i want to land (while in pretty much every other jump and run, it's the exact opposite, i ALWAYS land EXACTLY where i want...) and i have no idea how to change that. When i jump around with my Hoverboard, i feel like i am in control, when i jump over a huge gap, i know EXACTLY that i WILL make the jump... but ONE little hop over the laser in the Skullcano? NO... FREAKING... CHANCE!
Might have something to do with the fact that my screen is pure white when i have to do it... When the white wears off, i am dead...
			
				
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There may be a bug, I won't be able to get online for another 11 hours so can't test yet! That doesn't excuse the behavior and him pointing out he previously stood in red and is mad he cannot stand in red now. On top of that, blaming everyone but himself.
 
Dungeons are perfectly puggable I have pugged all 4 of the main dungeons needed for attunement (even got silver on all of them in pugs) on a new character since I came back. Dungeons are not too difficult, but don't pay attention to the people telling you otherwise don't let them stop your qq rampage.
			
				
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"I cant watch big red bad things becuase I need to watch green things under names of my group buddies."
 
I guess this explains a lot. No offence but you have one job. Not standing in CUPCAKE while healing your team. It is no different from dps job which is not standing in CUPCAKE while amaging the oponent.
 
If you cant handle it, why are you keep playing? Sorry to say but you are noob and obviously didnt grasp the ropes if this game. People here are running vets and clearing it. They even run raids and clearing it.
 
You have two options. Learn the ropes and get the skill (which is required to play any game after all) or quit.
 
It is sweet of you that you came along on forums and told us that you suck, but there is literally nothing we can do about it except telling you in response "suck less".	
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			Here's some advice, Stop moaning on the forums, go do some shipshands, go get a guild and stop pugging, get the gear, learn your class and learn the fights with some people that can teach you how to do them. I started this game on an rp server with a bunch of other bads. we spent hours in these dungeons learning the fights with gear that, compared to now is laughable. If we can manage it in that situation, so can you. 	
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			I heal as an Esper.I've healed Expeditions, Dungeons, Adventures, and Raids.Is it hard? Yes. But it's nowhere near as impossible as you make it out to be. I've seen some amazing Spell-Slinger healers, too. Honestly, from what I've read in this thread, most everyone has genuinely tried to be helpful but you're too stuck in your hurt corner to accept any of it and so you keep biting back.	
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Might have something to do with the fact that my screen is pure white when i have to do it... When the white wears off, i am dead...
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You guys ever played healer? You sure sound like you never healed in this game.
Watching the hp of your team is INSANELY hard.
First of all you have to watch where your team is, and that you have a position, that allows you to heal multiple targets, AND not be behind the tank, OR the guys that get hit by random attacks...
Then you have to watch the team health, if one of the scrubby dds dies, you usually are screwed, and when they die... they die early...
Then, when you see that someone is on low health, you have to find the corrosponding health bar.
You take a look around and... you see ONE friendly health bar, that is full...
Ok, look at the side again, what role is he playing? It's one of the DDS, the tank is safe... now where is that guy? To the right? no... to the left? no...
Oh, he is standing INSIDE the tank, well, now that i know WHY i can't see his health bar, i can start healing him...
Oh, what's that? i am dead for 15 seconds? Welp, sorry, i was too busy, trying to SOLVE THE DAMN RIDDLE OF "WHO IS INJURED", to notice THAT....
 
Edit: Ofc i keep 3 spells on cooldown, salve, the heal circle, and void pact, while doing that, but that heal is BY FAR not enough to heal anyone who is on low health.
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You guys ever played healer? You sure sound like you never healed in this game.
Watching the hp of your team is INSANELY hard.
First of all you have to watch where your team is, and that you have a position, that allows you to heal multiple targets, AND not be behind the tank, OR the guys that get hit by random attacks...
Then you have to watch the team health, if one of the scrubby dds dies, you usually are screwed, and when they die... they die early...
Then, when you see that someone is on low health, you have to find the corrosponding health bar.
You take a look around and... you see ONE friendly health bar, that is full...
Ok, look at the side again, what role is he playing? It's one of the DDS, the tank is safe... now where is that guy? To the right? no... to the left? no...
Oh, he is standing INSIDE the tank, well, now that i know WHY i can't see his health bar, i can start healing him...
Oh, what's that? i am dead for 15 seconds? Welp, sorry, i was too busy, trying to SOLVE THE DAMN RIDDLE OF "WHO IS INJURED", to notice THAT....
 
Edit: Ofc i keep 3 spells on cooldown, salve, the heal circle, and void pact, while doing that, but that heal is BY FAR not enough to heal anyone who is on low health.
			
				
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Yea, exactly what i talked about "From what i have heard, everyone is helpful"
You have heard wrong, they just ACT helpful.	
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Yea, exactly what i talked about "From what i have heard, everyone is helpful"
You have heard wrong, they just ACT helpful.
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Yea, exactly what i talked about "From what i have heard, everyone is helpful"
You have heard wrong, they just ACT helpful.
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Yea, exactly what i talked about "From what i have heard, everyone is helpful"
You have heard wrong, they just ACT helpful.
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Yea, exactly what i talked about "From what i have heard, everyone is helpful"
You have heard wrong, they just ACT helpful.
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I actually LOL'd Leapster
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Which part? What I do? 
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That wasn't me. But I did save it to desktop... it shall be used in the future.
 
But honestly and amazingly this guy got tons of people offering to help him and rejected/refused every bit of it by repeating himself over and over then projecting what he was doing on others... while we still continued to try and help lol
 
@OP
 
What is this direct question you keep saying no one is answering? Ask it directly without the rant/rage or giant block of text and you will get an answer. But the majority of the issue is YOU DONT want to learn your class. YOU DO want us to hold you hand and tell you exactly how to play it and by rejecting help you put yourself in a situation where you will lose on every angle because YOU choose to. This is sad and you can see it in so many aspects of life and especially in younger generations coming up, this isn't really a wildstar problem but a problem with the mentality of our generation and future generations altogether. You want to be mindless and not have to think but to win and get everything handed to you asap. Learn to EARN and you will be satisfied in everything you do.	
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by now i think you're trolling... is there an option to vote for closing a thread? moderators here?
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Yea I actually just wrote something but well wildstar forums log me out lulz... so to save everyone some time I'd like to direct you to the most constructive post on the forum today!
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/145487-wildstar-in-meme/   <3 you all	
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YOU DO want us to hold you hand and tell you exactly how to play it and by rejecting help you put yourself in a situation where you will lose on every angle because YOU choose to. This is sad and you can see it in so many aspects of life and especially in younger generations coming up, this isn't really a wildstar problem but a problem with the mentality of our generation and future generations altogether. You want to be mindless and not have to think but to win and get everything handed to you asap. Learn to EARN and you will be satisfied in everything you do.
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I detect the distinct aroma of bovine excrement permeating this thread.
 
Number one ranked in Aion EU .... how long did your nose grow after that one, Pinocchio?
 
Plenty of people are in game right now doing what you aren't able to do. You probably aren't the only one struggling but you do seem to be the only one that thinks they are far better than they actually are.
 
The problem isn't with the game, it's with you. Your head is telling you that you are one of the "elite" but your ability is telling you that you have a severe dose of averageplayeritis. 
 
Alas, your ability doesn't seem to be on par with your ego but never fear, the forums are always here to remind you that you aren't anywhere near as good as you think you are. The internet, helping you to remain grounded in reality. 	
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			See... at first I thought this was a troll post. hence the "Thank you for the comedy" post... then I started thinking it was real... now... I don't know if troll or not...	
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I think he was really frustrated, expressed his need for help poorly.
Wanted something to blame it on and thought people would chime in and support his views.
He got a rude awakening when people offered legit help.
Then others saw the help and chimed in and we created a useful post within the community. T
hen he didn't get what he was hoping for so he lashed back out at others because we are able to succeed where we can't.
 
The whole I'm #1 thing is irrelevant because we are comparing apples to oranges. Diff game, diff mechanics diff everything. You might be good at Counter-strike cause you played the maps a ton but you might fail at call of duty cause you haven't put in the time. This comparison can be used with anything. It is usually referenced that on average to gain a master level of any skill it takes around 10,000 hours of practice. This usually being based on learning and acquiring tradeskill type professions but can easily be applied to learning a sport, instrument or anything else.	
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			Anyways I got the perfect thread for all of us helpful players right here : https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/146797-the-complain-about-everything-thread-for-those-who-dont-complain/	
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Are you shitting me? ARE YOU SHITTING ME?
Runic healing IS WORTHLESS. 1 target spam heal? You mad bro?
 
We will still use VitBurst, because we have NO alternative.
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Anyways I got the perfect thread for all of us helpful players right here : https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/146797-the-complain-about-everything-thread-for-those-who-dont-complain/
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"Yep- healed on slinger in fact. Get some mods to show you healbars easier (I just use Forge UI) and perspective to draw a line to your focus (and then set your tank to your focus)."
 
Can you see this everyone? THAT is how you make a helpful post.
An addon that pretty much does all the healer work for me... not really what i had in mind, but if "half botting" is the only solution, i let the addon figure out who needs help, and then aim there and heal.That helps a lot with the fact that the normal UI and the camera are garbage.But i still have the same problem, i can't heal most bosses at all anymore, even though the bosses are "so bad" that they can't drop anything better then my equip...have been in about 20 dungeons now today, most of them disbanded at the first boss. No idea what i should do, it's nice that the really hard fights are easier with a plugin, but... i can't even get past the easy fights anymore!The lv 100+ tank from earlier was the ONLY run, where i MIGHT have had a chance to heal, if Gurken was not so.... suddenly deadly today...The patch just completely destroyed everthing that i worked towards for the last.. 40+ days. Just freaking undo it already! Completely destroying one of the 2 spells, that you can use as a main heal, while the other heal is complete garbage in the first place (your precious guide ALSO agrees on that one) is just a HORRIBLE idea... seriously, WHO thought... "oh yea, healslingers... they are WAY too good, lets remove a QUARTER over their healing output!JUST WTF?? Improving your heal by like... 1% takes FOREVER, since there is just no way to gain ANYTHING, except 1 item per year from the contract dispenser... and just like that... in one lousy patch, TWENTY FIVE percent... of my MAIN heal... JUST GONE... i cant freaking believe this... i was so happy that AFTER BEATING DUNGEONS, i am FINALLY good enough to start enjoying THE FREAKING DUNGEONS THAT I ALREADY DID 100 TIMES!But no... apparently you need endgame raid gear, to properly play dungeons... Just boggles my mind how you need to outlevel something, to be able to properly do it... I can safely say, that i will never see a gold medal, because... oh my god.... those requirements.... i would not even be able to fulfill them if you gave me unlimited mana, unlimited health, and buff my heal output by 1000%.... Because NONE of the stats, make "jumping over some stupid laser" ANY easier... The camera will never get better, because the devs will not suddenly take lessons from Nintendo on "how to make a camera that gives the player a good perspective DURING jumping sequences", and the game will probably never get any more playable, because the vocal minority keeps screaming for harder content so loud, while the masses that bring the money to the company, just quietly disappear...
 
 
Right now i am seriously just watching youtube, until i get a group, run into the first boss, die, rinse and repeat. When i say i was in over 20 dungeons since i started posting / playing today, that is NOT a joke...
Basically every instance had ONE point, where i could BARELY keep my group alive with spamming VB. Now i can't do that anymore, and we just wipe on those spots every single time...
It's just laughable... the balance of enough / not enough heal, was... SO SMALL... and they remove TWENTY FIVE PERCENT.... i just dont get it... a 5% buff would already have been FAR MORE then enough, but seriously, FIVE TIMES AS MUCH??? Is this a joke? Fights are not close anymore, no chance to win against enemies that were "tough" before the patch, they just eat my group now...
 
It just boggles my mind how you are forced to get a guild, or not play the game... Playing with randoms has become such an annoying chore today... Why are the devs ruining the game on purpose? i just cant understand? The game is already WAY WAY WAY too hard, no matter what the vocal elite minority says, that spends 18 hours per day in the game, but probably not even 1 cent... Give people that have a real life, a possibility to enjoy the game too! I dont wan't to sacrifice my personal life, just to be able to do dungeons, leave alone raid... WHY is the damn LFG tool literally ADVERTISED through the entire game, but at the end, it is completely useless, because it add people to dungeons, that are WAY too weak...
 
Edit: No, by now, i dont expect any help anymore, neither do i want it. There is no other spell in the game, good healing is impossible like that, i asked 10 times that people name ONE effective heal spell besides the 3 i use, and people can't even do that... So no... i don't want YOUR help, you are just as useless as google, nobody knows about ANY spells, and you have NO information AT ALL.
As i said... i just search randoms, if they can't beat the dungeon with the heal i have, i just leave and search a new group. I learned how to play for 40 days or more, i love how i played my class, and now its not possible to play that way anymore... way to completely ruin a class...
 
Why only my class? come on, reduce ALL main tank and DD spells by 50% too, they are WAY too powerful!!! Also give bosses 10 times as much hp, and make every attack onehit death! the game is SOOOO EASY!!!1
Yea... no, that would be EXACTLY as dumb, as BREAKING MY CLASS! Sucks enough that i am a damn settler, and apparently nowerdays EVERYONE but the stupid settler can teleport people... 40 days on one damn character and i can basically throw it away... never have seen such an immense nerf of anything in any game... My ENTIRE HEAL LIMIT... reduced by TWENTY FIVE PERCENT... Why not just remove the class from the game? Then i could have started leveling a GOOD healer, instead of wasting my time with some stupid raid healing class, that NOW can't even heal first dungeon bosses properly anymore... As soon as salve and the circle heal are not enough enymore, my team just dies... spamming VB is now just as worthless as the other crap main heal that heals NOTHING at all...
			
				
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Wat
 
...And now that I've gotten past the first wave of disbelief at what I was reading, here's something semi constructive; they changed VB because they don't want people to use it as a spammer. Pick up Runic Healing and figure out your build. I don't even know what else to say, because firstly this is a learn2play (+build) issue, and second it seems you're really not open for suggestions or interested in improving because you already made up your mind that the game is too hard, your class is shit and there's nothing you can do. I can't be bothered.
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Unsure if serious...
 
RH has always been viable, nothing about that skill has changed. Maybe you should take a look at the rest of your build and not only rely on a spammer ability to do all your healing.
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No, just all jump at him and call him a troll, he agrees with me, so he must be one....
 
No, seriously, you guys post your dumb guide and say "just use something else instead"...
 
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE!!! WE HAVE 3 HEALS!!!! CAN YOU READ THIS SENTENCE???
I ASK FOR A FOURTH NON USELESS SPELL FOR HOURS, AND NOBODY KNOWS ONE, BECAUSE THERE IS NONE!
 
Edit: Good job leapster, already jumping at him and insulting like a pro!
Just what i expected from you guys ;)
 
And i am still not refusing any Help, but NOBODY offers any. The idiotic things people write, are STILL not helpful. They are spam and nothing else. Useless information that nobody needs.
 
Edit: expect for the one helpful post about an addon, that would have helped me, BEFORE The game became unplayable due to the 25% nerf...
			
				
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Thanks for the virus
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			Runic healing is great, but then again I mostly pvp... it's like the best spell at the moment for healing (imho when t8 in 3s) Also @OP, I hope you find whatever it is you're looking for in a game, but respectfully from me who has tried to help you instead of telling you you're bad (I would have rather put down all my information to you in game where it's easier to explain rather than type it up here), screw you.. Just yeah, screw you. You're either a bad troll, really bad at the game and any conception of how to play a healer, or both. Congratulations for baiting me. So yeah, good luck with your salt mountain you have there bro.	
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The game is already WAY WAY WAY too hard, no matter what the vocal elite minority says, that spends 18 hours per day in the game, but probably not even 1 cent... Give people that have a real life, a possibility to enjoy the game too! I dont wan't to sacrifice my personal life, just to be able to do dungeons, leave alone raid...
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You guys should try Gurken TODAY, and touch the big red area for ONE millisecond... i have the feeling that you didnt encounter that yet. You guys sound like you are talking about the "pre patch red area", which i walked through 100 times. Only the spikes below you were deadly, the last 100 times i did her.
 
Edit: again got to gurken, with the 3rd group since i made my first post / started playing today, again the group was like "wtf happened? and disbanded" even the lv 100+ tank was like "that's not normal..."
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No, just all jump at him and call him a troll, he agrees with me, so he must be one....
 
No, seriously, you guys post your dumb guide and say "just use something else instead"...
 
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE!!! WE HAVE 3 HEALS!!!! CAN YOU READ THIS SENTENCE???
I ASK FOR A FOURTH NON USELESS SPELL FOR HOURS, AND NOBODY KNOWS ONE, BECAUSE THERE IS NONE!
 
Edit: Good job leapster, already jumping at him and insulting like a pro!
Just what i expected from you guys ;)
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			My only problem with spamming T8 RH in the past is that it was too easy and not good for raid healing (I felt like it was creating bad habits). I never had difficulties keeping people alive when I used it.	
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I have a wife, 4 children, a job, and don't log on some days at all. I've never played 18 hours a day, or anything close to that. Dungeons are great, so are the raids. I haven't sacrificed my personal life and think the dungeons are great.
 
I'm glad you found my post helpful though. Changing to Forge UI doesn't do all the healer work for me. It just makes me better aware of the situation. I rarely heal, btw, as my main focus is dps on my slinger and tank on my warrior. But when I do heal, *cupcake* generally goes pretty well.
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Yea, and because you all just play "a few hours in the evinging" you are all lv 120 geared ultra pros, that can do raiding and dungeons while they sleep.
Seriously... why do you play a freaking mmo, if you are a GOD?
 
@Ufa
You mean you STOOD, in the red, now no healer can keep up with that, since there is no healer in the game that can heal your full hp every 3 seconds :P
 
@h4
That'S what i thought, but apparently, no matter how good you are in other mmo's, that doesnt even mean that you can jump over a DAMN FENCE in this game...
Seriously, i left a group hanging half an hour ago, because they took some stupid shortcut, so its faster, and i could not jump over the fence...
Participated in speedrunning challanges, like when people discovered "hell" in Cave Story...
No prob... Only like 0,0001% of the players could beat that? I lol'd, did that in my sleep... Jumping over a fence in Wildstar, like every other 6 year old player?
I JUST CANT FREAKING DO IT!!!
 
 
It's just so frustrarting, that every dungeon now has a point, that i cant pass anymore, unless i have some lv120 nolife guy in the group. Dungeons are so much fun usually, but now just EVERY SINGLE DUNGEON GROUP gets disbanded, because we can't get past certain enemies, even though i already outgeared dungeons...
 
 
And one thing that i just have to say...
"Do you want to LEARN how to do easy things WAY more complicated?"
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"Do you want to LEARN...."
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HOW ABOUT NO??? The website said "Download Game!" not "Download educational software"...
I am here to PLAY a GAME... not LEARN how to do things that i know how to do, in a way more complicated way...
i can understand that many people these days just HAVE to compare themself to each other, so they can boast, and feel good... but i don't care about that AT ALL, and it's not what Wildstar was about, until you reach lv 50... Only now everything suddenly became insanely hard and stupid. There is no need to learn anything, i was tought by the devs what i need for the ENTIRE game, at level 10, i trained myself, learned that stuff by doing it, and now... i am 50, and am suddenly supposed to learn a completely new heal build...
As i already said... YOU CAN'T LEARN IN THIS GAME (on lv 50)! You either do something, or you don't do it... Start a dungeon with a crappy build, group dead, disband, getting insulted...
The only thing i can do, is stick to the spells that i spent over a WEEK to improove, just to have all that work undone... Now i am as weak as i was, when people told me "you can't do dungeons like that, do adventures first!"... seriously guys... 25%, do you even understand what that means? 25% LESS HEALING!
That means, my item level is basically 60, from the healing point. Ofc i have more hp, but who cares about that? The heal, that i can quickly output over a short time, is the ONLY thing that matters. Unless my hp increase by 1000%... which no item level will do....
			
				
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Most people here trying to help you aren't ilvl120 geared ultra pros - You got people barely cracking into GA and wearing Vet dungeon gear or PVP gear
 
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I JUST CANT FREAKING DO IT!!!
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Ah yeah, confirmed troll. Either that or stupid.
 
Nope, definitely both.
 	
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So, please tell me, what is it?
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So, please tell me, what is it? Lack of skill? Yea, sure, that's why every game in the world is so stupidly easy to me, and THIS is just unplayable...
You really need to stop your trolling after.. what? like 6 hours? You have nothing to do but be unhelpful, claim that you want to help, and then call people trolls?
 
I seriously start to think that my character is just bugged, and everone else in the world, is able to jump SLIGHTLY higher then me...
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Most people here trying to help you aren't ilvl120 geared ultra pros - You got people barely cracking into GA and wearing Vet dungeon gear or PVP gear
 
 
Well folks... we clearly have our answer. It's not the game. It's not the nerf. It's not the skills or mechanics.
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Just ran STL and KV in my ilvl 70 Season 2 pvp gear... no problems, and my rune setup for pvp is crit hit based not multihit so that alone starts with another disadvantage. I noticed no changes with any mobs or bosses... the healing decrease isn't all that noticeable if you do your rotation proper.
 
You want to spam VB the whole time and only VB that's the problem and that is not what it is intended for or how it should have been used to begin with. They made it more useful now decreasing the c2 and c3 timers and might make those levels of VB very useful for a different style of burst healing compared to sustain c2. You were doing it wrong from the start and are now mad they fixed something that was broken. I would love to talk to you, I just can't believe you'd act like this on a teamspeak or skype.... 	
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			Sorry i am a 120 ilvl 720 no scope god. git gud	
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Just ran STL and KV in my ilvl 70 Season 2 pvp gear...
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Lack of humility, the ability to listen, and perseverance
 
(since you asked)
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So, please tell me, what is it? Lack of skill? Yea, sure, that's why every game in the world is so stupidly easy to me, and THIS is just unplayable...
You really need to stop your trolling after.. what? like 6 hours? You have nothing to do but be unhelpful, claim that you want to help, and then call people trolls?
 
I seriously start to think that my character is just bugged, and everone else in the world, is able to jump SLIGHTLY higher then me...
 
Over a month of work and i can just throw this character away, because i can't keep up with the heal on bosses, that i NEVER died on before...
And the developers wonder why do many people run away and they lose so much money... what a stupid joke...
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No, on voice chat there would be a lot more swearing and CAPS, lol...
I am seriously so angry about this idiotic patch... OVER FOURTY DAYS... just gone...
I carefully selected what i want to play, did everything to learn how to play that class, and now it is just ruined...
This is so incredibly stupid... WHY destory an ENTIRE class?
I can't say it often enough, we have THREE heals... THREE!!!!
Everything else is complete garbage, and actually, one of the 3, is now garbage too...
Nobody knows what else a spellslinger should use, everyone knows that Runic Healing just does nothing, and we can't keep ppl alive with sustain and salve only... but besides them, THERE IS NOTHING!
Even if i wanted, i CAN'T LEARN TO HEAL WITH SPELLS THAT DON'T EXIST!	
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Did you get Gurka?
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OP, CK, who wrote the guide you ignored, posted a new update today on the forums.
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/128425-enigma-spellslinger-guides/page-2
 
So there you go. Should be all the info you need.	
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Folks, I think at this point it's just best to walk away now...
You've all done a splendid job of offering advice and help in so many ways and that's lovely to see, but you can only do so much.
*hugs you all for being helpful little cupcakes*	
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I look at the tank, mash 1 as fast as i can, while keeping salve and sustain on cd...
WHAT ELSE???
There IS nothing else...
I have ilvl 82, it's not enough, and that is IT.
Telling me "yes, it IS enough!" is NOT advice, it is trolling.
You probably use something that i don't have, that you as the god pro that you are, don't even notice, and are unable to tell me what magical hidden spell i should pull out off my butt, to be able to heal ANY instance...
 
@Sly
Really... gtfo. Just go away and never come back to help people...
I told you guys 20 times now. THE GUIDE IS OUTDATED, AN JUST FOLLOWING THE GUIDE DOES NOT WORK!
Read before you post!
 
 
Edit: since nobody can even name ONE spell, that is not garbage, i think we can come to the conclusion that healslinger is just completely broken at the moment, and that i can basically continiue to abandon my team, if they can't deal with the low ammount of healing that i can provide.
I do the best i can, did everything i can to figure out what to do, nothing i can do but keep doing the stuff that the guide says, even if that means that my groups will just die 90% of the time.
The developers don't care about public groups, so... i don't care anymore either. I am done with helping noobs and trying to "carry" people. I am not even able to heal my group anymore, when someone pulls an add, so... 1 add pull = disband... Good job developers...
			
				
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No, on voice chat there would be a lot more swearing and CAPS, lol...
I am seriously so angry about this idiotic patch... OVER FOURTY DAYS... just gone...
I carefully selected what i want to play, did everything to learn how to play that class, and now it is just ruined...
This is so incredibly stupid... WHY destory an ENTIRE class?
I can't say it often enough, we have THREE heals... THREE!!!!
Everything else is complete garbage, and actually, one of the 3, is now garbage too...
Nobody knows what else a spellslinger should use, everyone knows that Runic Healing just does nothing, and we can't keep ppl alive with sustain and salve only... but besides them, THERE IS NOTHING!
Even if i wanted, i CAN'T LEARN TO HEAL WITH SPELLS THAT DON'T EXIST!
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I told you guys 20 times now. THE GUIDE IS OUTDATED, AN JUST FOLLOWING THE GUIDE DOES NOT WORK!
Read before you post!
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I remember in the old times where we progressed in vet dungeons with blue gear and still managed to clear them....
 
ah f2p, what trash you've dragged in. "Nerf the game, it's too hard! I'm the best player in the world but srsly nerf the content because im the best and can't do it even though everyone else is doing it fine"
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I look at the tank, mash 1 as fast as i can, while keeping salve and sustain on cd...
WHAT ELSE???
There IS nothing else...
I have ilvl 82, it's not enough, and that is IT.
Telling me "yes, it IS enough!" is NOT advice, it is trolling.
You probably use something that i don't have, that you as the god pro that you are, don't even notice, and are unable to tell me what magical hidden spell i should pull out off my butt, to be able to heal ANY instance...
 
@Sly
Really... gtfo. Just go away and never come back to help people...
I told you guys 20 times now. THE GUIDE IS OUTDATED, AN JUST FOLLOWING THE GUIDE DOES NOT WORK!
Read before you post!
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I remember in the old times where we progressed in vet dungeons with blue gear and still managed to clear them....
 
ah f2p, what trash you've dragged in. "Nerf the game, it's too hard! I'm the best player in the world but srsly nerf the content because im the best and can't do it even though everyone else is doing it fine"	
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You know, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for giving me a thread I can link the next time I'm talking about how great this community is.
There are still people trying to help the OP in a constructive way besides their refusal to listen to the advice they've been asking for and that's a really rare thing these days.	
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I look at the tank, mash 1 as fast as i can, while keeping salve and sustain on cd...
WHAT ELSE???
There IS nothing else...
I have ilvl 82, it's not enough, and that is IT.
Telling me "yes, it IS enough!" is NOT advice, it is trolling.
You probably use something that i don't have, 
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You know, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for giving me a thread I can link the next time I'm talking about how great this community is.
There are still people trying to help the OP in a constructive way besides their refusal to listen to the advice they've been asking for and that's a really rare thing these days.
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			6 hours later he is still angry, that is impressive.	
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			Slinger was completely overpowered, nearly doubling hps of any healer in any kind of situation. I really hope you're trolling with this thread.	
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Funny, from my perspective YOU GUYS are not wanting to give any good solutions, you are just here, for the sake of disagreeing, and YOU want peopel to disagree with me, so YOU can feel good.
 
 
 
Edit:
6 hours later, my character that i worked 40 day on, is STILL a piece of garbage... i can't heal ANYTHING...
			
				
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I tried to help out, but after the bashing I couldn't put up with it any longer. This guy is complaining for the sake of complaining now. He doesn't want a solution, he just wants someone to agree with him.
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Funny, from my perspective YOU GUYS are not wanting to give any good solutions, you are just here, for the sake of disagreeing, and YOU want peopel to disagree with me, so YOU can feel good.
 
 
 
Edit:
6 hours later, my character that i worked 40 day on, is STILL a piece of garbage... i can't heal ANYTHING...
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Funny, from my perspective YOU GUYS are not wanting to give any good solutions, you are just here, for the sake of disagreeing, and YOU want peopel to disagree with me, so YOU can feel good.
 
 
 
Edit:
6 hours later, my character that i worked 40 day on, is STILL a piece of garbage... i can't heal ANYTHING...
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Funny, from my perspective YOU GUYS are not wanting to give any good solutions, you are just here, for the sake of disagreeing, and YOU want peopel to disagree with me, so YOU can feel good.
 
 
 
Edit:
6 hours later, my character that i worked 40 day on, is STILL a piece of garbage... i can't heal ANYTHING...
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Funny, from my perspective YOU GUYS are not wanting to give any good solutions, you are just here, for the sake of disagreeing, and YOU want peopel to disagree with me, so YOU can feel good.
 
 
 
Edit:
6 hours later, my character that i worked 40 day on, is STILL a piece of garbage... i can't heal ANYTHING...
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