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Please don't make assumptions. I absolutely love making costumes, outfits, and digging up mounts. I know where you're coming from. But ultimately, cosmetics are not gameplay. They might enhance gameplay for certain subsects of gamers (IE: Roleplayers), but they are still not 'gameplay.' You still have access to a tremendous variety of outfits, and other cosmetics even without the cash shop, not to mention future added gear that is not in the cash shop. (Please don't go "But what if the costume I want is in the cash shop?!")
 
The choice is to either limit gameplay or items that enhance gameplay for a portion of people.
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Unfortunately no. In order to be eligible you must have had your game registered at launch and stayed continuously subscribed (without a single day of interruption) until the transition to Free to Play.
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Did I miss what they are doing with the Deluxe version?  Will that still be a thing or is it going away?
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"If you missed out on launch"
I did not do that.
I missed out on a couple weeks due to not wanting to throw my life away professionally, structurally, and metabolically.
But apparently, despite my efforts to promote the game on social media and in the outernet, if I'm not 100% financially and temporally stable, my efforts are about as equal as someone who subbed just before the f2p maintenence.  Why should I not feel something?  And if that feeling is negative why shouldn't I protest this horribly planned line?
 
That's like running a marathon, coming in at a close second and getting the same prize as the guy who came in 30th fifteen minutes later.
I'm not missing out on two things, I'm receiving a consolation prize.
(Also I'm a *cupcake*ing collector and yeah I'm permanently missing out on content with no way of redemption)
 
And seriously guys *cupcake*ing stop it.
Emotions are useful and they don't reduce people into brainless savages.
I let my emotions fuel my posts because they'd be boring to read if I just dryly listed my grievances.
 
 
And yeah "acting like a child throwing a tantrum" is just a short edit away from name calling and it's rude.
 
 
Also swearing is *cupcake*ing fun.
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In regard to the rewards for being "loyal"...
 
Speaking as a person whos had an active account and still does, I'm a bit mifd on how it was decided.
 
I'd much prefer that ANYONE who was subscribed during the F2P announcement and has active time that bleeds into the period between the announcement and actual implementation is granted al loyalty rewards. 
 
This is how I view it as a person who has been active since closed beta...
 
Those of us who have been here since closed beta and onward have gotten many opportunities, items, titles, etc for bonus rewards throughout Wildstars life that no one will ever(or should never, unless Carbine is willing to break their own words) be able to acquire. Items like the piglet house, highwayman outfit, the various hats given at certain drops, the chua enhanced pumera, the rest in piecemaker. I feel that we have had our items given. The "loyalty items presented now would be much better served to be distributed to ALL who subscribed prior to the official announcement in a manner that they would have 1 or more days that fall between day announcement and day of implementation. 
 
That's just how I see it...	
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but I think they're just trying to reward dedication specifically defined by accounts with no lapses.
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That would be just selling the mount for a fixed amount... but I think they're just trying to reward dedication specifically defined by accounts with no lapses.
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			My fiance has played since closed beta and the headstart launch. He has had a constant sub the entire time. Today he registered his new credit card number and received a deactivation sub email in the process. Will this affect him in getting the mount and Living Legend title? Please say no, pleeeeease say no. 	
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My fiance has played since closed beta and the headstart launch. He has had a constant sub the entire time. Today he registered his new credit card number and received a deactivation sub email in the process. Will this affect him in getting the mount and Living Legend title? Please say no, pleeeeease say no. 
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In regard to the rewards for being "loyal"...
 
Speaking as a person whos had an active account and still does, I'm a bit mifd on how it was decided.
 
I'd much prefer that ANYONE who was subscribed during the F2P announcement and has active time that bleeds into the period between the announcement and actual implementation is granted al loyalty rewards. 
 
This is how I view it as a person who has been active since closed beta...
 
Those of us who have been here since closed beta and onward have gotten many opportunities, items, titles, etc for bonus rewards throughout Wildstars life that no one will ever(or should never, unless Carbine is willing to break their own words) be able to acquire. Items like the piglet house, highwayman outfit, the various hats given at certain drops, the chua enhanced pumera, the rest in piecemaker. I feel that we have had our items given. The "loyalty items presented now would be much better served to be distributed to ALL who subscribed prior to the official announcement in a manner that they would have 1 or more days that fall between day announcement and day of implementation. 
 
That's just how I see it...
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			I know two things:1) until we see the Loyalty system and the store, it is too early to get hurtyfeelings over anything we've seen so far. 2) there are people in this thread who I like and respect who should know better, and aren't showing it.	
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My fiance has played since closed beta and the headstart launch. He has had a constant sub the entire time. Today he registered his new credit card number and received a deactivation sub email in the process. Will this affect him in getting the mount and Living Legend title? Please say no, pleeeeease say no. 
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Not correct. If he renewed his card while time was remaining, then his account never lapses, just the stupid date on the site changes. No one should be trusting that Start Date on the account page for anything.
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I think that it should be immediately made clear to everyone in the OP and in the news article if I am udnerstnaindg forrectly that regardless ofif you used CREDD,Paypal, Credit/debit card. What the loyalty perk is based off of is purely your account being consistently active so even if you canceled/had to replace your card/change your payment method as long as you remained ACTIVE you are good.
 
The ones who will be effected are those whos accounts actually fell into a state of being inactive.	
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Perhaps it is because I am an older person, or perhaps I am just strange. But I do not want to argue that this payment model will only hit few players.
My point is to make clear that what gameplay "is", is decided by the player. If I say this affects (my) gameplay in a way that it actually destroys it, you can not just say: "but this isn't gameplay anyway".
 
Imagine only 0.3% of all people would like chocolate ice cream. And so the prices for chocolate ice cream would be doubled.
You would say: "Oh noes, this takes away a big part of my enjoyment....staahp!"
And I would be like: "Come on, chocolate was not really ice cream to begin with!". How would that make you feel?
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I'm honestly kind of worried about some of the restrictions that are placed on free accounts. Only 2 character slots and only 3 buy/sell orders on the AH is just so limiting - the game should be as it is now while f2p, while giving paying players /bonuses/. Paying just for bonuses, not to keep the game's QoL in some aspects the same as it was while p2p. Even with loyalty perks the AH would not be the same as it is currently.
 
If I hadn't already bought the box, being limited to 2 slots in a f2p game would be a major turn off. You can't even earn more slots through the loyalty program(or if you can they forgot to mention it in the faq) - it's only via buying a box.
 
These are my only two concerns. I really believe that the game should not change negatively for free players - it will only serve as a deterrant.	
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as it stands, he will not get it.
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I'm honestly kind of worried about some of the restrictions that are placed on free accounts. Only 2 character slots and only 3 buy/sell orders on the AH is just so limiting - the game should be as it is now while f2p, while giving paying players /bonuses/. Paying just for bonuses, not to keep the game's QoL in some aspects the same as it was while p2p. Even with loyalty perks the AH would not be the same as it is currently.
 
If I hadn't already bought the box, being limited to 2 slots in a f2p game would be a major turn off. You can't even earn more slots through the loyalty program(or if you can they forgot to mention it in the faq) - it's only via buying a box.
 
These are my only two concerns. I really believe that the game should not change negatively for free players - it will only serve as a deterrant.
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It's going to be the best bang for the buck, but no way will it give you everything. There's always going to be more things than a sub will get you (e.g. just from wildstar- stuff for going to a con, stuff for buying a box, RNG for stuff from a Boom Box, various time sensitive login rewards).
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so if at one point in the last year, my sub technically stopped due to my CC expiring, and me having to get a new one. am i SOL on the mount? my sub was not down for longer than a day or 2.
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You are aware that i wouldn't care if they changed it so that more people get it? Or even move it to a system where it checks months subscribed in total, although i find it would create a secondary loyalty system rather then just a one time gift. You may check my post history, i  believe i even suggest that a few posts back.
 
I do find it interesting that people cancel a mmo even if they have less time in a month. I just keep mine running since i generally buy longer periods of time in one go.
 
I'm merely explaining why they are doing what they are and that i can understand their reasoning behind it.  Not that i want to keep it more limited it there aren't that many people around anymore that remained subbed even for the majority of the time.
 
 
I do feel this outrage on getting free stuff and wanting more free stuff to be a bit silly and the phrase "this is why we can't have nice things" come to mind. 
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They haven't mentioned any real specifics about the Loyalty system yet. You're jumping the gun.
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So, as a collector who wasnt 100% of the time subbed i can quit WildStar now? Just want to know if there is a cance Carbine consider some changes to the loyality thing. 
 
Collecting is very important for me, and if Carbine decides im not loyal then yeah, i should leave and stop beeing loyal :/	
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Roda speaks for me.
 
Oh well, hey ... Crowfall, amiright? At least I can make my donation now and never be deemed disloyal there.
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GOD DAMMIT LET ME POUT
 
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They mentioned specifically what loyalty perks will give you - so unless they change it up in the future(which I really hope they do) - I'm simply going by what was explicitly written down on the FAQ.
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They mentioned specifically what loyalty perks will give you - so unless they change it up in the future(which I really hope they do) - I'm simply going by what was explicitly written down on the FAQ.
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They mentioned specifically what loyalty perks will give you - so unless they change it up in the future(which I really hope they do) - I'm simply going by what was explicitly written down on the FAQ.
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....Erm...
 
 
 
Is it a pony? I hope it's a pony.
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Same scenario, only .3% of people like chocolate ice cream, the rest like vanilla, but all of them use cones. They start giving away all the ice cream for free, including free waffle cones, free regular cones, all that jazz. But they offer the ability to buy cones with tasteless sprinkles if you want to be fancy. You can still use a regular cone or a waffle cone if you want, it's free! But if you want a sprinkled cone, you have to pay a bit, even though ultimately there is no real difference from the regular cone.
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I guess we're looking at two different things... I just don't want to be misunderstood, so this was what I was looking at:
 
"A number of perks can be acquired through the Loyalty Program, several of which stack with (or are replaced by) the perks from Signature. These perks include:"
 
and then in a table, it lists the perks. No new character slots, and only 10 buy/sell orders on the AH is listed. This was all I was referring to.	
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Not entirely. We know we'll be getting "loyalty points" or something like that in direct proportion to the amount of time we spent subbed prior to F2P. We don't know exactly what we can get with those points.
 
It could be anything! It could even be a boat!
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			With the f2P announcement, is the Mystery Box promo still going on? If it is, for how much longer? Want to try to grab a couple boxes for those goodies!	
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			I can understand the desire to reward people who have literally subscribed the entire time, but an exclusive mount seems unfair to those who had to unsub for a bit due to school, work, family, medical, etc.  How about 70% or x months to capture the people who supported the game most of the time.  And/or, throw the mount on the cash shop with a different color, so loyal members can still stick out, but the rest of us don't feel left behind.	
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Unfortunately no. In order to be eligible you must have had your game registered at launch and stayed continuously subscribed (without a single day of interruption) until the transition to Free to Play.
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			I stopped actively playing the last few months due to graduate school becoming particularly brutal. During that time period my debit card expired. As a result my Wildstar account went inactive for a couple of weeks before I noticed and bought a year of time to support the game. This brief lapse will apparently preclude me from getting the full rewards. I apparently care about that far more than I should because it's making me quite angry. No real point to this post just thought I would share my frustration.	
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I guess we're looking at two different things... I just don't want to be misunderstood, so this was what I was looking at:
 
"A number of perks can be acquired through the Loyalty Program, several of which stack with (or are replaced by) the perks from Signature. These perks include:"
 
and then in a table, it lists the perks. No new character slots, and only 10 buy/sell orders on the AH is listed. This was all I was referring to.
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			I've played exclusively off of credd. does that could as an active sub for the rewards?	
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			Does anyone know how granular the subscription time is?  If you apply a month of game time at 3 pm are you kicked out 30 days later at 3:01 pm, or are you good through the end of the day?  If the subscription system updates statuses at the daily reset then it would make the difference for a lot of people.	
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This really sucks imo. Imagine (as an example) you miss your re-sub payment by 1 minute. I dont think this person is any less loyal than someone that is able to pay for the 6 or 12 months payment model. Being able to afford the 6 or 12 month plan doesnt make you more loyal to the game imo.
My little brother who's 14 has been playing wildstar for 4 or 5 months and obviously he cant afford those kind of plans, he pays the sub once a month, but sometimes he forgets, or hasnt gotten his alllowance yet, and his account gets inactive for 3 or 4 days sometimes. This is just an example. Myself, i missed a resub once i think (had it inactivefor 2 days) , simply because i was away for a holiday and completely forgot about resubing.
I played in every closed beta, its my first game where i bought a deluxe edition, I raid every week since July, got 6 people to buy and play the game (and they're still playing), I have defended this game against every hater i encountered. All this simply because i Love the game thatgot me the chance to be involved in 1 of the best guild communities i ever experienced. I dont usually post stuff on forums, this is my second post actually. But this Ikhtian mount got me really excited for some reason, and after reading the free-to-playanouncement page i got sad because probabably i wont be gettting that mount.
 
With that said, playing devils advocate, people that canceled theyr subs for 1 month for example, shouldnt get the mount. And lets say person 2 had his account inactve for 10 days, probably he shouldnt get the mount either. What about 5 days? or 2? or for 30 seconds? Carbine should draw the line that's fair for everyone. And be a little tolerante, considering themselves have screwed up a fair amount of times. Not criticizing, we all make mistakes, we´re all just human...and cassian...Mechari...chua...bunny furry weirdos...mordesh...and ofc Gracious Galactic Granoks.
 
Sorry about the rant
 
Plz Carbine dont penalize the players that believed in the sucess of this game since the begining, not saying you should give the mount to everyone, but plz allow for some degree of tolerance. I dont have boomboxes to give you to compensate for my 2 days of inactive account xD
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I guess we're looking at two different things... I just don't want to be misunderstood, so this was what I was looking at:
 
"A number of perks can be acquired through the Loyalty Program, several of which stack with (or are replaced by) the perks from Signature. These perks include:"
 
and then in a table, it lists the perks. No new character slots, and only 10 buy/sell orders on the AH is listed. This was all I was referring to.
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Then where do you draw the line? When your goal is to clear every dungeon in the game, that is "gameplay". But if you want to collect every hat, that is not?
You are still trying to tell me that cosmetics aren't really a part of a game.
And even the sprinkled cone example would leave those people sad who like the sprinkles more then the rest (for whichever reason). Ultimately it burns down to a question of tolerance.
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I only have one, very important question to ask. It is absolutely vital to the success of this project. The very fate of Nexus hangs in the balance!
 
Forehead goggles in the cash shop, yes/no? It better be yes.
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it was under 2hrs for me.  Just checked my email history.  Got the email about the issue, hopped on and resubbed.
 
Im not getting myself worked up until there is a 100% definite answer
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This really sucks imo. Imagine (as an example) you miss your re-sub payment by 1 minute. I dont think this person is any less loyal than someone that is able to pay for the 6 or 12 months payment model. Being able to afford the 6 or 12 month plan doesnt make you more loyal to the game imo.
My little brother who's 14 has been playing wildstar for 4 or 5 months and obviously he cant afford those kind of plans, he pays the sub once a month, but sometimes he forgets, or hasnt gotten his alllowance yet, and his account gets inactive for 3 or 4 days sometimes. This is just an example. Myself, i missed a resub once i think (had it inactivefor 2 days) , simply because i was away for a holiday and completely forgot about resubing.
I played in every closed beta, its my first game where i bought a deluxe edition, I raid every week since July, got 6 people to buy and play the game (and they're still playing), I have defended this game against every hater i encountered. All this simply because i Love the game thatgot me the chance to be involved in 1 of the best guild communities i ever experienced. I dont usually post stuff on forums, this is my second post actually. But this Ikhtian mount got me really excited for some reason, and after reading the free-to-playanouncement page i got sad because probabably i wont be gettting that mount.
 
With that said, playing devils advocate, people that canceled theyr subs for 1 month for example, shouldnt get the mount. And lets say person 2 had his account inactve for 10 days, probably he shouldnt get the mount either. What about 5 days? or 2? or for 30 seconds? Carbine should draw the line that's fair for everyone. And be a little tolerante, considering themselves have screwed up a fair amount of times. Not criticizing, we all make mistakes, we´re all just human...and cassian...Mechari...chua...bunny furry weirdos...mordesh...and ofc Gracious Galactic Granoks.
 
Sorry about the rant
 
Plz Carbine dont penalize the players that believed in the sucess of this game since the begining, not saying you should give the mount to everyone, but plz allow for some degree of tolerance. I dont have boomboxes to give you to compensate for my 2 days of inactive account xD
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it was under 2hrs for me.  Just checked my email history.  Got the email about the issue, hopped on and resubbed.
 
Im not getting myself worked up until there is a 100% definite answer
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How I personally think it should work is that they set the line in the sand in number of months subbed. In this case it would be 15 months or however long it is until f2p goes live. Subbing after the conversion still counts to your total, that way any player that shows the "loyalty" other have can still get the rewards. This includes the new f2p players the game will attract.
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Where can you see that info I want to know if Ive ever been inactive game time.
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Unfortunately no. In order to be eligible you must have had your game registered at launch and stayed continuously subscribed (without a single day of interruption) until the transition to Free to Play.
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Will Omnibits be character or account-bound?  Account-based would be my hope, so that if they drop while I'm playing an alt, I can combine them.
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So. I just watched the announcement trailer (I know I've already been posting on this thread all day, stop judging me).
 
This brings to mind the most important question, which I haven't seen asked or answered yet.
 
WHAT IS THE NEW HOUSING SOUNDTRACK??
 
Is it going to be the soundtrack from The Gauntlet? That's what the announcement trailer sounds like. I feel like I'm in an awesome 16-bit WildStar utopia whenever I hear that soundtrack... Can we make this happen?	
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Well, complaints about the Ikthian Mount seem just at a rough estimate to outnumber complaints about the game going F2P perhaps 10-to-1. So compared to most transitions I've seen, that's a pretty impressive positive response to the F2P transition.
 
As for what Carbine should do about all these people who feel terribly left out because they weren't here continuously supporting the game from the start and still want the prize from being here continuously supporting the game from the start... honestly, no matter what line Carbine draws, someone will be right on one side of it or right on the other side of it and left out in the bitter bitter cold. So here's what I'd like to suggest.
 
Do not draw the line in the first place.
 
Carbine, you're rewarding people for being paid up for the game. For their financial support, whether directly through cash or indirectly through CREDD. So I would like to suggest to you two steps that will allow you to continue to reward those people without making everyone else feel left out.
 
1. Calculate out how much total subscription time people would have to have bought in order for them to have paid the same amount as those who stayed subscribed the entire time, and set the mount to be part of the reward for being subscribed for that amount of time.
 
2. In your cash shop, sell backdated time in the loyalty program at a cost of 50 cents per day up to the maximum time available. If you joined the game last week but have already contributed as much as someone here from the start, then you've supported the game as much as someone who was here from the start. People who let their subscription lapse for a day have a very small amount of backdating to apply. People who let their subscription lapse for three months will have to decide if they really need this month's loyalty rewards enough to not just wait three months to get it.	
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I'm not getting worked up either, i just believe that people should make themselves heard to the developers. Because they do listen. The more aware the devs are about these issues, i imagine it would make things easier for them, when it comes to the final decision making.
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Honestly, the subscriber rewards wouldn't have been an issue had they not been so transparent about the conversion. I'm sad I will probably never get that title but I am glad that they been upfront about their plans in the upcoming move to F2P. 
 
Having said that, can someone confirm that playing the game solely via CREDD (after the first month) still qualifies you for the day 1 mount + title?	
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I don't think they are rewarding financial support, actually. They are rewarding dedication to the game regardless of circumstances.
 
Players who buy the game even now are eligible for all rewards except the mount and title, and honestly I think that's pretty fair.	
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Unfortunately no. In order to be eligible you must have had your game registered at launch and stayed continuously subscribed (without a single day of interruption) until the transition to Free to Play.
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			Wish it was B2P - but as long as you keep Wildstar awesome, I'll continue to say I've been playing since beta	
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Question for the Developers please:
 
My original purchase was the Deluxe box set,  But I also purchase and added a couple of the standard box sets for the Mount and Costume.  I am hoping, and I assume, you will use the Deluxe box as your determination for the "Loyalty" rewards and not the latest Standard box.  Is this true?
 
Zath 	
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			Carbine released this policy because it drew what was in there minds a clear line. Its entirely possible that they had no idea of the number of people who would be negatively affected by this because of a temporary lapse due to something out of their control (Credit Card etc). There will be a livestream tomorrow and there is still a few months before the transition, give them time to look at this before being mad and hurt (its just a mount and title, nothing to be to upset over) and threatening to cancel blah blah blah. Be vocal yes, but advance constructive ideas that suggest alternative lines that are more fair/just in your opinion. Back the solutions proposed by others. Don't let something stupid ruin your day and your experience with this great game. 	
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speaking of OST....
 
Whatever happened to that umm Wildstar Soundtrack thing that was in the works?
 
just sayin'...	
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			Oh, DA OGRE, you toy with me... I suspect you know something. I'm trying to find the Gauntlet theme in the OST now to listen to it.	
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I'm sorry but this is ridiculous...I have never actively unsubscribed to the game but my account page suggests I did....for one day...
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I really hope they stand their ground on the mount. 
 
People are afraid raid content will be nerfed, because of the kicking and screaming of the community that will come.
 
Yet....
 
Here I see this community kicking and screaming for a mount......... 	
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Carbine released this policy because it drew what was in there minds a clear line. Its entirely possible that they had no idea of the number of people who would be negatively affected by this because of a temporary lapse due to something out of their control (Credit Card etc). There will be a livestream tomorrow and there is still a few months before the transition, give them time to look at this before being mad and hurt (its just a mount and title, nothing to be to upset over) and threatening to cancel blah blah blah. Be vocal yes, but advance constructive ideas that suggest alternative lines that are more fair/just in your opinion. Back the solutions proposed by others. Don't let something stupid ruin your day and your experience with this great game. 
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Carbine released this policy because it drew what was in there minds a clear line. Its entirely possible that they had no idea of the number of people who would be negatively affected by this because of a temporary lapse due to something out of their control (Credit Card etc). There will be a livestream tomorrow and there is still a few months before the transition, give them time to look at this before being mad and hurt (its just a mount and title, nothing to be to upset over) and threatening to cancel blah blah blah. Be vocal yes, but advance constructive ideas that suggest alternative lines that are more fair/just in your opinion. Back the solutions proposed by others. Don't let something stupid ruin your day and your experience with this great game. 
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Question for the Developers please:
 
My original purchase was the Deluxe box set,  But I also purchase and added a couple of the standard box sets for the Mount and Costume.  I am hoping, and I assume, you will use the Deluxe box as your determination for the "Loyalty" rewards and not the latest Standard box.  Is this true?
 
Zath 
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OK I found it. This is what I want for the new housing soundtrack.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhM7TLnxMfY
 
 
edit: This is more 80s than 16-bit. Which is totally alright.	
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I registed my game 
 
Jun 1, 2014 WildStar (US) - Prepurchase Standard ****-****-****-****-NG3K Completed
 
 
or anything bad here
 
DATE APPLIED ITEM SERIAL CODE
 
 May 15, 2015 WildStar (US) - Standard ****-****-****-****-5mdj Completed
Mar 16, 2015 WildStar (US) - 10-Day Trial ****-****-****-****-5DIN Completed
Jun 14, 2014 WildStar (US) - Deluxe Upgrade ****-****-****-****-BNLO Completed
 
Plus I see nothing wrong here
 
Mar 26, 2015 Subscription(6 month) 6 Month(s) $77.94 Active
Mar 26, 2015 Subscription(6 month) 6 Month(s) $77.94 Canceled
Dec 23, 2014 Subscription(3 month) 3 Month(s) $41.97 Canceled
Sep 15, 2014 Subscription(6 month) 6 Month(s) $77.94 Canceled
Jun 22, 2014 Subscription(3 month) 3 Month(s) $41.97 Canceled
 
 
I believe Im eligible	
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Well, complaints about the Ikthian Mount seem just at a rough estimate to outnumber complaints about the game going F2P perhaps 10-to-1. So compared to most transitions I've seen, that's a pretty impressive positive response to the F2P transition.
 
As for what Carbine should do about all these people who feel terribly left out because they weren't here continuously supporting the game from the start and still want the prize from being here continuously supporting the game from the start... honestly, no matter what line Carbine draws, someone will be right on one side of it or right on the other side of it and left out in the bitter bitter cold. So here's what I'd like to suggest.
 
Do not draw the line in the first place.
 
Carbine, you're rewarding people for being paid up for the game. For their financial support, whether directly through cash or indirectly through CREDD. So I would like to suggest to you two steps that will allow you to continue to reward those people without making everyone else feel left out.
 
1. Calculate out how much total subscription time people would have to have bought in order for them to have paid the same amount as those who stayed subscribed the entire time, and set the mount to be part of the reward for being subscribed for that amount of time.
 
2. In your cash shop, sell backdated time in the loyalty program at a cost of 50 cents per day up to the maximum time available. If you joined the game last week but have already contributed as much as someone here from the start, then you've supported the game as much as someone who was here from the start. People who let their subscription lapse for a day have a very small amount of backdating to apply. People who let their subscription lapse for three months will have to decide if they really need this month's loyalty rewards enough to not just wait three months to get it.
 
 
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There is some confusion circulating between our loyalty program, and the Player Appreciation program.  For our loyalty program we are absolutely tracking all of the purchases you've made with us, including extra box purchases and purchasing the deluxe upgrade.
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			My question now is about beta signups. Do active subscribers have to sign up to be considered or are we automatically on the list?	
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			Hey guys, just to clarify if I'm not answering your question it's just because I don't want to spread any misinformation, not because I don't want to answer your questions.  As a monetization designer I know a lot of details about some stuff, but the specifics for some of the logistics like PTR/Specific dates for Appreciation Rewards I don't know offhand but I know there are obviously a lot of eyes on this thread so people will get you answers ASAP	
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According to this, I have only been subbed since Oct 2nd, though I pre-ordered and played all the way up to the time I changed my card info. But, the system has me registered as only been a subscriber since Oct. So tell me again how this half thought out policy is fair?
 
 
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There is some confusion circulating between our loyalty program, and the Player Appreciation program.  For our loyalty program we are absolutely tracking all of the purchases you've made with us, including extra box purchases and purchasing the deluxe upgrade.
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I don't really think that CRB is saying "oh you're not loyal... *cupcake*you you don't get a mount." As has been pointed out by DaOrge two or three times, the loyalty points and the other rewards are separate. Loyalty is what you will get for buying the game, subbing etc. The mounts, decor, pets and titles are player appreciation, something nice they are trying to do for people who have supported the game. Yea, they're cool and no I don't qualify for the best one's (real life comes first), but I had to make a choice between buying/subbing to WS and passing the bar, I don't regret my choice because I'm not going to get a mount and title, and I don't think carbine is shitting on me by putting the line where they did. 
 
Its a little different for people who were *cupcake*ed by things out of their control, and I hope carbine has/develops a good policy for dealing with those situations.	
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Hey guys, just to clarify if I'm not answering your question it's just because I don't want to spread any misinformation, not because I don't want to answer your questions.  As a monetization designer I know a lot of details about some stuff, but the specifics for some of the logistics like PTR/Specific dates for Appreciation Rewards I don't know offhand but I know there are obviously a lot of eyes on this thread so people will get you answers ASAP
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Hey guys, just to clarify if I'm not answering your question it's just because I don't want to spread any misinformation, not because I don't want to answer your questions.  As a monetization designer I know a lot of details about some stuff, but the specifics for some of the logistics like PTR/Specific dates for Appreciation Rewards I don't know offhand but I know there are obviously a lot of eyes on this thread so people will get you answers ASAP
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So I'm going to be paying for Signature service. Not for the Perks. I'm doing it to look down on "Froobs" who don't have it....
 
"Shut up you dirty Froob!"
 
That^was a warm up. Lol
 
 
All kidding aside It will be nice to see the game brimming with Life.
 
 
P.S. I don't expect the Yearly sub thingie. I've been subbed and unsubbed like 5 times. The fact that I was pretty much right about everything is it's own reward:)	
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But I totally support all of my friends at Carbine and hope this propels their success to the moon! I'll be a Signature Member forever.
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I don't think they are rewarding financial support, actually. They are rewarding dedication to the game regardless of circumstances.
 
Players who buy the game even now are eligible for all rewards except the mount and title, and honestly I think that's pretty fair.
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I have been subbed since launch and pre ordered deluxe addition, so I know I qualify for the loyalty mount and title.  People who actively unsubbed, chose to do it, I do not think should be rewarded or have room to complain no matter the reasoning you come up with.  Those who went inactive for a short time due to no fault of their own, CC issue or some other factor, I do think should qualify.   But then again life is not fair and often those are the breaks.  Lines have to be drawn somewhere.  And loyalty is staying active the whole time with warts and all.  But that is just my opinion. 
 
Anyone who thinks that they should get the loyalty rewards, I would recommend making a case for yourself when the time comes and see what they say. If you do not ask the answer is always no.  Either way it wouldn't diminish my rewards or sense of loyalty in anyway.  I paid willingly and gladly for this game.  Followed development for over a year, made my account in Sept 2013 and couldn't wait for May's early access.
 
On a different note I still plan to sub no matter what, this game is extremely enjoyable to me and Carbine deserves some money from me for their product.  I am excited to see an influx of players with the F2P announcement and am curious as to what kind of cash shop items will be available.  I am a sucker for mounts and pets.	
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How are people seeing the period they were unsubscribed for? I went to transaction history and it's completely empty. It's odd because it states I don't have an active subscription but I have been using credd to pay and I do not have a credit card/payment plan attached to my account
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According to this, I have only been subbed since Oct 2nd, though I pre-ordered and played all the way up to the time I changed my card info. But, the system has me registered as only been a subscriber since Oct. So tell me again how this half thought out policy is fair?
 
 
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You just want me to listen to the whole OST. I get it. And I'm not upset because Kurtenacker is magic.
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I don't really think that CRB is saying "oh you're not loyal... *cupcake*you you don't get a mount." As has been pointed out by DaOrge two or three times, the loyalty points and the other rewards are separate. Loyalty is what you will get for buying the game, subbing etc. The mounts, decor, pets and titles are player appreciation, something nice they are trying to do for people who have supported the game. Yea, they're cool and no I don't qualify for the best one's (real life comes first), but I had to make a choice between buying/subbing to WS and passing the bar, I don't regret my choice because I'm not going to get a mount and title, and I don't think carbine is shitting on me by putting the line where they did. 
 
Its a little different for people who were *cupcake*ed by things out of their control, and I hope carbine has/develops a good policy for dealing with those situations.
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You don't need to pay or devote time to a sports team to still be a fan of them and support them.
I remember getting into a discussion on what games we were playing/looking forward to play after midterms with some of my classmates, and I instantly suggested checking out the game to them.
But of course, since I was in the middle of midterms and thus swamped with work and decided I needed to not starve to death and miss rent that makes me a flighty ship jumper.
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I have been subbed since launch and pre ordered deluxe addition, so I know I qualify for the loyalty mount and title.  People who actively unsubbed, chose to do it, I do not think should be rewarded or have room to complain no matter the reasoning you come up with.  Those who went inactive for a short time due to no fault of their own, CC issue or some other factor, I do think should qualify.   But then again life is not fair and often those are the breaks.  Lines have to be drawn somewhere.  And loyalty is staying active the whole time with warts and all.  But that is just my opinion. 
 
Anyone who thinks that they should get the loyalty rewards, I would recommend making a case for yourself when the time comes and see what they say. If you do not ask the answer is always no.  Either way it wouldn't diminish my rewards or sense of loyalty in anyway.  I paid willingly and gladly for this game.  Followed development for over a year, made my account in Sept 2013 and couldn't wait for May's early access.
 
On a different note I still plan to sub no matter what, this game is extremely enjoyable to me and Carbine deserves some money from me for their product.  I am excited to see an influx of players with the F2P announcement and am curious as to what kind of cash shop items will be available.  I am a sucker for mounts and pets.
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Not the best way to start a post imo.
 
"I have been subbed since launch and pre ordered deluxe addition, so I know I qualify for the loyalty mount and title.  People who actively unsubbed, chose to do it, I do not think should be rewarded or have room to complain no matter the reasoning you come up with."
 
Way to make yourself populare, you nailed it.
 
Anyhow, I agree with you that life in unfair and all. But, no one could've known that by unsubbing would make you lose a mount and a title. If people would've known that earlier I could agree with you about the "People who actively unsubbed, chose to do it, I do not think should be rewarded or have room to complain no matter the reasoning you come up with." part. But no one knew so it's not their fault they won't be able to get it now.
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 A Player Appreciation Programs that make a bunch of players feel unappreciated are probably not well thought out. 
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I honestly don't mind about missing out on the mount. I will make a case for mine though, when I get the chance unless there is more information given to us. 3hrs/1day commeeee ooooooooon! xD
 
I do feel that carbine are being very fair by giving loyalty rewards to everyone who is subbed for the f2p transition, and their motives with the f2p/cash shop seem very good so far.
 
As long as it keeps wildstar alive I don't mind. As long as we get good content still, I don't mind. As long as it means I'll be able to pvp at low level again, I don't mind. New players = awesome.
 
(pls let me have mount)	
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If you chose to unsub, you shouldn't get the "constantly subbed" reward. That includes me, by the way. I made a conscious decision to let my sub lapse when I thought the game wasn't going in a direction I'd enjoy, and I will not get a crawler or title because of that choice. It happens.
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Except that the way they're determining what you're referring to as "dedication to the game" is by having kept an active subscription maintained for the entire time since launch. If you bought a yearly subscription and stopped playing at a month and have been badmouthing the game ever since but come back tomorrow because now there's going to be a bigger set of targets for you to stomp on, that's only dedication to the game in one sense: the financial one. And you will be rewarded for it.
 
To be clear, I don't particularly care. I'm not currently eligible nor do I expect to be. Won't upset me, I'm still looking forward to my Disco Snoglug.
 
But this is another one of those known demographics issues: 15-20% of the playerbase are completionists. They go for stuff like this, and it matters to them that there's something out there that they will never be able to get because of a credit-card expiration or a problem with the account management system--or even because they have only been dedicated since they learned about the game a few months after release--in the same way that keeping hardcore content matters to you.
 
So the question becomes: who benefits from shutting them out by providing them with no route by which to catch up? Not Carbine or NCSoft, both of whom will be getting the money through people backdating their place in the program. Not the completionists, who will be getting what they were after. Not the genuinely "through thick and thin crowd", who are hardly going to leave because they get a toy without doing anything that other people will have to pay in to get.
 
Who wins?
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This could be really bad for me because I tend to dump my bank account in cash shops. Anyways...
 
I have cash shop suggestions.
 
I'd like to see:
- A coupon to hide certain race features (tails, ears, horns, etc). Some race features look bad poking through certain costumes.
- The ability to apply dyes to things beyond armor- such as hair, eyes, mounts, etc.
- Exclusive, limited time hairstyles and faces. Lots of additional hairstyles and faces. I want to be able to collect multiple hairstyles and faces in the holo-wardrobe.
 
I don't want to see:
- Housing decor. (If housing decor DOES become available in the cash shop- if I buy a decor, it should unlock unlimited copies of that item that I can place in my plot.)
- Surprise boxes. Random boxes. Don't turn Wildstar into Maplestory. 
- Anything remotely p2w	
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I was in a design meeting for a feature that's coming out in this next drop and Jeff asked me "Would you like me to make some custom music for this?" to which I just nodded my head vigorously and tried to hide how much the inner fanboy in me was squealing.
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Kay this is the crap that's irritating me by Carbine/NCSoft not listening
 
How about this instead.Let us buy more Costume slot pages beyond the limits for 5~10$ a piece.I am not kidding you when I say that I will probably purchase enough to have 20 pages or more.
 
Let me purchase 20 slot bags from the cash shop for 3~5$ a piece. I'd buy one for every slot I could possibly fill.
 
I will still stay subbed but Please TAKE MY MONEY NCSOFT/CARBINE and throw people like me a bone and let us just outright purchase some Quality of life+Luxuary itemization.	
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I'm a new player, a little over a month into the game. I am a 53 year old fanboi! 
 
So I have mixed feelings on the news. I've played f2p games and overall have not been thrilled with it. 
 
However, I believe this game is so strong that the influx of players will make it thrive. Once you play, you'll stay.
 
The folks in our guild are either new players or returning players after long hiatus. The returning players have costumes, boom boxes, etc from being beta or pre-orders, or early bird purchasers. 
 
I'm jealous of them. However, I chose to back the wrong game a year plus ago and they didn't. 
 
Now people are complaining because they may not get a mount. Just wow. I'll be jealous of those folks, but it won't take away one minute of pleasure and fun this game has given myself and my ol' buddies.
 
The terms of the f2p seem very generous to everyone involved. Moving forward I hope this generates the revenue needed to not only keep the game going, but keep it growing. Best of luck to the team at Carbine.	
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Well I am one of those thick and thin types, Hi btw Jain! I've kept my account active since beta, and I've been through the long slog playing nonstop since then. I felt it was a nice thing getting a cool mount and a title for my troubles. It felt nice, like a sign of appreciation for sticking with them. Now it seems like this awful thing done to other people. I don't really know what to think about that. Sometimes it feels like Carbine can't win no matter what they do!
 
BUT... I would honestly expect that this mount, and the snarf and kitty board will be available in the cash shop either from the start or eventually added, or offered for limited time offers. I have my doubts that this will be the only way to get these things. I just get mine "for free". 
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The choice is to either limit gameplay or limit items that enhance gameplay for a portion of people but otherwise have no effect on gameplay.
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I'm a new player, a little over a month into the game. I am a 53 year old fanboi!
 
So I have mixed feelings on the news. I've played f2p games and overall have not been thrilled with it.
 
However, I believe this game is so strong that the influx of players will make it thrive. Once you play, you'll stay.
 
The folks in our guild are either new players or returning players after long hiatus. The returning players have costumes, boom boxes, etc from being beta or pre-orders, or early bird purchasers.
 
I'm jealous of them. However, I chose to back the wrong game a year plus ago and they didn't.
 
Now people are complaining because they may not get a mount. Just wow. I'll be jealous of those folks, but it won't take away one minute of pleasure and fun this game has given myself and my ol' buddies.
 
The terms of the f2p seem very generous to everyone involved. Moving forward I hope this generates the revenue needed to not only keep the game going, but keep it growing. Best of luck to the team at Carbine.
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Kay this is the crap that's irritating me by Carbine/NCSoft not listening
 
 
How about this instead.
 
Let us buy more Costume slot pages beyond the limits for 5~10$ a piece.
I am not kidding you when I say that I will probably purchase enough to have 20 pages or more.
 
Let me purchase 20 slot bags from the cash shop for 3~5$ a piece. I'd buy one for every slot I could possibly fill.
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I was not going for popularity points, but I do apologize for my blunt hammer regarding my opinion. 
 
But if you knew there were going to be rewards or consequences for actively subbing/unsubbing where is the loyalty in that?  If there are known consequences for behavior it tends to steer that behavior.  People willing to do things without expectation of rewards would be loyal in my opinion.  But again whether you get a mount or title or not does not affect me either way, but then what is the point of the rewards in that situation?	
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Kay this is the crap that's irritating me by Carbine/NCSoft not listening
 
 
How about this instead.
 
Let us buy more Costume slot pages beyond the limits for 5~10$ a piece.
I am not kidding you when I say that I will probably purchase enough to have 20 pages or more.
 
Let me purchase 20 slot bags from the cash shop for 3~5$ a piece. I'd buy one for every slot I could possibly fill.
 
I will still stay subbed but Please TAKE MY MONEY NCSOFT/CARBINE and throw people like me a bone and let us just outright purchase some Quality of life+Luxuary itemization.
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Cash Shop must be protostar themed 
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Cash Shop must be protostar themed 
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It looks like a hybrid model and subs will still exist. 
 
Though if your not gating content, I'm not sure if this will even work. My other concern is weather or not Wildstar will have enough "whales" to really improve the experience. I love wildstar, I really do, but I'm also aware of how F2P really works and not just in theory. Players with money are expected to spend tons of more money while those who dont get to pad the sub numbers. As long as sales improve NCsoft wont care. I also have concerns if NCsoft is designing the system. Lineage is successful....in Korea. They have a track record of failing F2P (looking at COH here) in the west.
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I'm not saying that people who's not been subbed since day 1 should get the 1day rewards. I just stated that the "They knew what they were missing out on" attitude is false since no one knew about this untill today.
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I'd prefer that it be Lopp themed personally...
SHINIES BUY THE SHINIES!!!
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I would like to just add some feedback that one of these wonderful people might see. I have only leveled to 33 as a Draken Stalker, but I really find the current difficulty to be hitting the sweet spot for me. Not sure how many times I would have died if I didnt have two stealth abilities, but it's a lot. I understand the business decision to move towards free to play and it is my firm belief that Wildstar will be THE king of MMO's with this move. I can't even play Tera anymore because Wildstar has better combat AND ACTUAL STORY! AND COOL LITTLE SECRETS!! AND I CAN JUMP ALL OVER THE PLACE!!! HOVERBOARD!!!!  
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That seems like it's worse for free players than the current strategy . . .
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Maybe people will agree with me or not... but with the rewards (loyalty)
 
Cant it be changed to something like: 
 
From Launch to F2P Launch - Is approx 15 months.
 
Have a total sub amount of least 12 months and you get the all the rewards (Mounts, Decor, Pet and Titles).
Have a total sub amount of least 6 months and you get the other rewards (Decor, Pet and Title).
 
The months don't have to be back-to-back, you just need the fixed amount within those 15. 
 
I am sure these would be better for everyone, as people had school / university / real life etc!
It would be now too late for anyone to just jump in and grab them now anyways.
 
Im sure having 12 months worth of sub shows we are loyal! 	
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What's listed here is just what you get for free for having purchased a box from us previously.  As mentioned before there are other unlocks that will be available on the store that we'll talk about more in the coming weeks/months.
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I'd prefer that it be Lopp themed personally...
SHINIES BUY THE SHINIES!!!
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Since I've already voice my opinions on the rewards n stuff I want to shift gears and agree that: I NEED THAT SOUNDTRACK. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY CARBINE.
 
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This could be really bad for me because I tend to dump my bank account in cash shops. Anyways...
 
I have cash shop suggestions.
 
I'd like to see:
- A coupon to hide certain race features (tails, ears, horns, etc). Some race features look bad poking through certain costumes.
- The ability to apply dyes to things beyond armor- such as hair, eyes, mounts, etc.
- Exclusive, limited time hairstyles and faces. Lots of additional hairstyles and faces.
- I want to be able to collect multiple hairstyles and faces in the holo-wardrobe.
 
I don't want to see:
- Housing decor. (If housing decor DOES become available in the cash shop- if I buy a decor, it should unlock unlimited copies of that item that I can place in my plot.)
- Surprise boxes. Random boxes. Don't turn Wildstar into Maplestory. 
- Anything remotely p2w
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			The Ikthian Mount for loyal players is going to be orange quality and fast right? And not another super-slow "Eldan Hoverboard" that you jerks gave the people who bought Deluxe? :(	
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I'm certainly not trying to put words in your mouth (or hands because this is the Internet? now it just sounds weird).
 
Personally I was subbed since early access, chose to let my sub lapse in early March after my paid sub and CREDD ran out and I hadn't played in months. I resubbed a month after that. Did I know that I was going to miss out on a mount and title because of it? Of course not. But that's life.
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The Ikthian Mount for loyal players is going to be orange quality and fast right? And not another super-slow "Eldan Hoverboard" that you jerks gave the people who bought Deluxe? :(
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			Is there any information when Wildstar is going F2P ? I can't seem to find any information for that. :/	
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So if I ask you, does that sound fair to say that people knew this months ago, maybe half a year ago when they unsubbed that they would miss this?
A simple Yes or No is all that takes.
Atleast that is how I experienced that post. I know others might not have and that's ok.
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I understand where you are coming from. Of course people didn't know. If I could see the final consequences of every choice I make we would be having this conversation on the Phandaal-net using our Phan-puters because I'd be the zillionaire ruler of the world.
 
But alas, sometimes our choices have unforeseen consequences. Part of being an adult is accepting that sometimes we miss out on things because of the choices we make. I'm not seeing a lot of that here today, and in some cases it's coming from people I figured would act differently.
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Great move CRB, this will surely save the game!
 
 
as for some of you mount complainers
 
SHUT THE HELL UP, honestly, what are you toddlers, there is this other mmo where people are losing an entire feature and wont have access to any of there winged mounts in future content, and I saw some of us making fun of them...but yet here some of you are crying over the fact that you didn't quality, if you only missed by like a day or week...OPEN A TICKET (when the mount is implemented)	
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I've returned because of this announcment! Time to start bullhorning the good news to my friends and family! I used to be against this but the PvP queues especially those while leveling has changed my outlook on subscription models as a whole. This game was an amazing and my personal favorite MMO-RPG June-August after that point however this game felt like a good single player RPG. One question my CREDD time is active till April 2016, how will current CREDD users and CREDD be affected over all? Regardless of an overhaul or even a complete removal in the new model, I've returned!
 
EDIT: Nevermind already answered just missed it when I glossed over the webpage linked in the OP.
			
				
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			If you missed the mount by like 1 day you could probably put in a ticket when it releases, Carbine is usually pretty understanding. But if you unsubbed a week after launch and just came back you don't deserve it, Stop complaining.	
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I've returned because of this announcment! Time to start bullhorning the good news to my friends and family! I used to be against this but the PvP queues especially those while leveling has changed my outlook on subscription models as a whole. This game was an amazing and my personal favorite MMO-RPG June-August after that point however this game felt like a good single player RPG. One question my CREDD time is active till April 2016, how will current CREDD users and CREDD be affected over all? Regardless of an overhaul or even a complete removal in the new model, I've returned!
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I've returned because of this announcment! Time to start bullhorning the good news to my friends and family! I used to be against this but the PvP queues especially those while leveling has changed my outlook on subscription models as a whole. This game was an amazing and my personal favorite MMO-RPG June-August after that point however this game felt like a good single player RPG. One question my CREDD time is active till April 2016, how will current CREDD users and CREDD be affected over all? Regardless of an overhaul or even a complete removal in the new model, I've returned!
 
EDIT: Nevermind already answered just missed it when I glossed over the webpage linked in the OP.
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I was surprised to hear official confirmation this quickly... what a day!
 
 
Some feedback—
 
 
Appreciate the way you've handled this. Gives us plenty of time to prepare and a decent amount of detail for the announcement. I'm also seeing a lot of replies to this FAQ thread from various devs. Then there's the PTR testing, which will hopefully iron out a bunch of kinks.  A+
 
Not a fan of the loyalty awards concept. IMO this kind of thing feeds entitlement (I hate using that word) and devalues earning cosmetics in-game. I think each of those items would be much better as an incentive at the end of some challenge on Nexus, rather than as hand-outs. I say this fully appreciating the gifts I'll receive— the DJ decor and new music are awesome.  But you really don't owe us anything. The transition to F2P is obviously in your best interest as a business and as game designers, creators, etc.
 
Also going to add that the bonus rewards for folks who have always been subbed is (again IMO) silly. I've been playing since early access, I took one month off as protest over bugs and forgot to renew my sub twice, lapsing for maybe a day or two each time, but I've purchased like $260 worth of CREDD in addition to the $165 I've paid in sub fees. How am I less 'loyal' than, say, someone who has so much cash they just forgot and let their sub continue? :P  And I don't even care about the extra rewards, I'm just arguing that it's kind of a weak premise. Again, I think these rewards would all be much better in the game as earnables.
 
On the F2P model you've got cooked up, overall it looks good. As stated in the IGN article, time will tell how it all plays out, but at this moment it seems like the top heads are aware of what most of us don't want: shitty F2P money traps. And this will hopefully be avoided completely. In particular though, I like that you don't seem to be gating too much and have included the bitX currency for cash shop items. 
 
Now, on to some more important stuff.
 
 
Housing. Please don't *cupcake*this up. :o
 
 
OK, I'll be more specific! Please,
 
1. Don't set high price points for building block decor on the cash shop.
 
2. Don't cash shop all the interactive/animated decor.
 
3. Don't lock out big features like huge plots or linked plots. I'd really like housing to stay accessible.
 
4. Don't restrict visitation too much for free accounts. I'm sure we don't want bots farming our nodes (or do we!?), but I'd personally love to see more visitors on my plot as the population grows.
 
 
 
That's it for housing. My final plea/words of advice: Be very careful when locking out QOL improvements and features. Right now I support this decision, but more importantly for everyone, I'm going to continue playing and continue subbing. But if I feel that I have to sub to get the game I want (which will depend on access changes) while also feeling that I have to buy from the cash shop with real money just to get stuff at an enjoyable rate (because of item drop rates or bit cost on the shop), then I'll unsub and uninstall, and won't look back. I've learned to be open-minded about F2P models thanks to a couple games like GW2, but I just turn off the lights the moment I feel exploited by a game, or the game stops being about fun.  :(
 
 
 
That's about it. Congrats on a big decision and best of luck to everyone working at Carbine. :D	
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A Player Appreciation Programs that make a bunch of players feel unappreciated are probably not well thought out. 
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I would like to see a 1-month grace period (30 days) for allowing people to maintain the full-on loyalty since launch rewards. I know I'm one of the few who HAS been subbed since then without ever dropping it, and I'd like to push for:
 
A total of 30 days cumulative not subscribed between launch and now. So if you missed a day, or missed 29 days, across any time period, you're fine, but after that it's reasonable to say that you may not be eligible for the full-time loot.
 
Amended for: If you helped out in beta, your time played IN THE BETA is added onto your "time played" tally for the reward, i.e. if you did beta for 2 months, and out of 1 year 4 months you played 1 year 2 months, you're still fine for the reward.	
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Robbed of my thread. :(
 
Oh well.
 
Hurray.
 
My only complaint is I left for three months while the game imploded, but came back the minute it was worthwhile ... and despite a year of beta testing and endless hours of support, I don't get all the loyalty rewards.
 
That sort of sucks, but otherwise, at least we can stop speculating.
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			Carbine is missing out on an opportunity if the "shop" isn't a giant Protostar shopping mall that we can walk through and browse.	
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Here's to milking all the players that think they'll be playing for free. 
 
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This is my biggest issue here, is that some of us left for a period of time where playing the game that we loved was near impossible and spend a lot of time helping the developers during the Beta Testing and well into the launch...Oh well I guess. :3
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Carbine is missing out on an opportunity if the "shop" isn't a giant Protostar shopping mall that we can walk through and browse.
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If something is "enhancing" gameplay, it is affecting gameplay. Your word tricks can't get around the fact that while people don't want to be "nickel and dimed" for dungeon or battleground content, cosmetic cash shops do exactly the same thing by "nickel and dime"ing players who value other aspects of gameplay.
 
 
Woaaaaaaaaaaaaah. $5-10 for a costume page? >_> That is way too expensive.
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Honestly, I think Housing should probably be one of the things they don't touch very much in a cash shop. I think the exceptions should be like super thought out items (on par with say the Caretaker being a DJ :lol: ) Or maybe new types of houses like the Spaceship. Any building blocks behind a paywall would just be awful :/
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I second this idea!!  :D It would be cool to have a place both Exiles and Dominion can hang out! In the same tone as the housing complex but actually interactive
 
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I don't think players should lose out on something in this case. The game had some serious problems after launch. The players shouldn't be punished for deciding to leave a game that wasn't up to snuff. Loyalty =\= being blind to flaws. I hope they change the program.
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Carbine is missing out on an opportunity if the "shop" isn't a giant Protostar shopping mall that we can walk through and browse.
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I hope they do go straight for housing with the cash shop, after all, that's "F2P done right". If they're not making a player spend more than they would for sub it's not done right enough.
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why do you think the players who stuck with carbine through all those flaws shouldn't get a reward and those who left because of the state of the game should?
 
I won't qualify for the mount despite being around since beta BTW and I disagree with changing the rules give it out to people who left for months and now want the same shiny that people who stayed are getting
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why do you think the players who stuck with carbine through all those flaws shouldn't get a reward and those who left because of the state of the game should?
 
I won't qualify for the mount despite being around since beta BTW and I disagree with changing the rules give it out to people who left for months and now want the same shiny that people who stayed are getting
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Okay I'm sure this was thought out but I think restriction on PTR access to free players should be reconsidered to allowing the priviledge to Box Purchasers permantly my reasoning is that:
1. PTR is for testing and isn't a playground, the more canidates willing to come in can help on stress testing can't be bad and also may inspire more whom have the experience and skill set to identify and than creating a good bug report.
 
2. Content creators on youtube for other games play their PTR's more often than their main account thus allowing them to feed their audiences with updates on whats in the build. Those audiences could consist of people interested in the game and others who went inactive but keep tabs on updates awaiting to make a return. This is free advertisment essentially and puts an easement on the video creators who have a small but growing following.
 
3. I personnally am a person who would buy the game, keep an active subscription, grab things from the store, a whale essentially, than would scoff at joining the PTR. I'll buy my boom-box rewards one way or the other, investing the time to earn them though? Nah ain't got time for that!	
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Carbine is missing out on an opportunity if the "shop" isn't a giant Protostar shopping mall that we can walk through and browse.
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What can I say? R.I.P Wildstar and long live pay-to-enjoy?
Farewell o/.	
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To be fair, I do think it's a little silly that those who missed even an hour of subscription (Such as activating CREDD when your time expires) miss out.
 
I think there should be a month of game time grace period for those who had something such as this happen. And I say this as someone who wouldn't benefit from it, as I unsubbed for months.
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 I don't understand this attitude? They've already announced the transition, it's going to happen. They created a thread for us to provide any feedback so they can listen and hear our thoughts on things we do or do not want to see. If you want to be negative, by all means, be my guest, but I would rather provide constructive opinions on things that might help them make decisions.
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I hope they do go straight for housing with the cash shop, after all, that's "F2P done right". If they're not making a player spend more than they would for sub it's not done right enough.
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Few more questions/comments:
Please consider offering a Lifetime Signature Service purchase.
Will items bought in the cash shop be tradable?  (AH)
Death to gamble boxes.
 
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