Report 811

Report #811
Skillset: Skill: None
 Org: Institute Status: Completed Mar 2012
Furies' Decision:
Spheres will become aggressive 30 seconds after an enemy enters their room.
Problem: Currently the Spheres on Continuum have a unique disadvantage to all
other planes in that they are neither aggressive or contained within their own
sub area. This means that you can feasibly meld every sphere in a single demesne
which is not possible on any other plane. While this does help with defense, it
also can severly hurt it because while we could be vigilant for 99 days out of
100, that 100th day is all it takes to clear out the spheres. Combining this
with the significantly higher level of Complexity in the Continuum means that an
enemy meld can be nigh on unbreakable and contain all spheres. This means that
the only feasible launching room for defense after a properly prepared raid
attempt could be the Nexus.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Make all spheres aggressive
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Give each sphere their own subsection with a special
 exit akin to demonlords/supernals/fleshpots
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3: Some more limited combinations of this, only making
 some of them aggressive and some of them have their
 own section.
Player Comments:
---[Morbo on 3/12 @ 16:02 writes]:
Just for clarification, Avatars are aggressive and not in their own subsections,
Demonlords/Supernals are in their own subsections and aggressive, and flesh pots
are in their own subsections are not aggressive. Continuum is the only cosmic or
ethereal plane that has either of these qualities. I would prefer solution 1 or
2, due to solution 3 further increasing the complexity of an already complex
plane it's be unreasonable to expect raiders to learn which spheres were
aggressive and which had subsections.
---[Raeri on 3/13 @ 01:00 writes]:
I'm in favour of Solution 1 (or make them have a % chance to aggro on entry?).
---[Alacardael on 3/13 @ 01:02 writes]:
There are also more Spheres (and Fleshpots) than Avatars, Supernals, and Demon
Lords. Further, one of the Spheres (Diamond) lies directly above Continuum
Matrix, and as such, making them aggressive on entrance would make the nexus
very close to impenetrable (that is, without launching a smob raid first).
Considering the number of Spheres and their strategic positions on the plane,
making the Spheres aggressive-on-entrance would make defensive demesnes very
hard to remove (even more so than Ethereal, with 3 smobs each, and Vortex, which
has special exits to Fleshpots). No to Solution 1, yes to solution 2.
---[Shuyin on 3/13 @ 06:12 writes]:
There is no way that solution 1 is fair. Continuum doesn't deserve what amounts
to 12 extra safe rooms in their area. I also agree with Alacardael's statements
regarding this. Solution 2 would be the best, though I feel like changes to
cosmic planes are not exactly within the sphere of envoy reports
---[Llandros on 3/13 @ 16:51 writes]:
I've neither raided nor defended the Continuum so I'm hesitant to weigh in on
the main topic. However, this is being raised as an issue of balance and being
that Celestia was changed after raid concerns were raised I don't think this is
an inappropriate venue.
---[Xynthin on 3/15 @ 22:20 writes]:
This isn't even a skill. That said, solution one is broken (as has been talked
about multiple times on Envoys). 3 of the 6 Avatars in the game are in ends
(you're never going to enter their rooms unless you want to), and the other
three are... 3 rooms. There are -far- more spheres, and it's much easier to
walk into them. If they're going to be aggressive, they -can not- remain where
they are. They would need a separate area, such as Demon Lords or Fleshpots, to
be reasonable given the layout of Continuum.
---[Neos on 3/16 @ 18:19 writes]:
Solution 2 and what Alacardael, Shuyin, and Xynthin have said so far. Also, the
Celestia changes weren't made through envoy reports.
---[Viynain on 3/22 @ 18:10 writes]:
As per the other envoys, I disagree with adding 12 safe rooms on the Continuum,
so no to Solution 1. I agree with Solution 2, if it lies within the scope of an
envoy report.
---[Ushaara on 3/23 @ 21:11 writes]:
Solution 2 would be best. As this is related to org balancing, I don't think
this deserves to be rejected for 'not being within the scope of an envoy
report.' Would a clamour on the forums be preferable?
---[Shuyin on 3/23 @ 23:55 writes]:
I'd prefer this sort of discussion be on the forums myself
---[Morbo on 3/24 @ 08:21 writes]:
I'm confused by this being questioned as being within the scope of envoys,
Shuyin is the one who brought it up and he was around when it was being
discussed and stated that this was not outside the scope of envoys because of
the change to other planes. What has changed?
---[Shuyin on 3/26 @ 03:08 writes]:
I didn't bring it up, you did. I commented because I figured I might as well
help add to th discussion. Being helpful does not necessarily imply or mean that
I believe that this sort of thing can/should be envoyed. Nothing's changed, I
was just saying that I wasn't sure that it can be envoyed, which I feel is a
fair statement to make.
---[Shedrin on 3/26 @ 18:15 writes]:
Solution 2. Arguing whether this is 'in the scope of envoys' is silly. That's
for the admins to decide.
---[Mirami on 3/29 @ 20:59 writes]:
Support solution 2.