104246-pve-to-pvp-realm-transfer

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I apologise to everyone in advance as I have already posted this on the PvP forums but it got no attention from the Devs there. (surprise, surprise). 
 
Why is PvE to PvP realm transfer to allowed?
 
Due to the design of PvP in this game it is impossible to progress in PvP without a team (rating systems, gear etc). My PvE server and I'll bet all others too have a completely dead PvP contingent. So I, and many other PvPers on PvE realms are stuck with 5000 prestige with absolutely nothing to spend it on and with no hope of progression. 
 
YOU MAY SAY:
 
But it was much harder for me to level on a PvP server. (ganks etc)
 
This may be true, although you could've leveled entirely through BGs as I did on a PvE server.
 
More level 50s on a server would be beneficial to the population we might actually get to play warplots.
 
If I started again on a PvP server it would take 30+ hours to level to 50 and then another 2 months to get back to where I am in terms of character progression. And then I would be 2 months behind where I would be continuing to play on my current character. (when I all I want to do is experience endgame PvP content) Rerolling is not an option.
 
It would effect the servers economy leading to inflation
 
Characters bringing in plat from other realms would lead to inflation. So limit the amount of plat a character or even an account can transfer cross realm.
 
Please can someone from the community team reply to this and give a reason why this is not allowed?/ Give a time frame when it will be.
 
I welcome your comments and feedback. 
 
 
 	
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I simply ask why you did not start on a PVP server? 
Historically speaking in MMORPGs, PVE to PVP is just not going to happen.  It's not fair to the people that leveled on the PVP server. I understand your argument of levelling in BGs, but there is reputation concerns, etc that all factor into levelling outside of BGs.	
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I simply ask why you did not start on a PVP server?
 
Historically speaking in MMORPGs, PVE to PVP is just not going to happen.  It's not fair to the people that leveled on the PVP server. I understand your argument of levelling in BGs, but there is reputation concerns, etc that all factor into levelling outside of BGs.
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I started on PvE server because IRL friends wanted to play on that server and I wanted to play with them from time to time. I did not think that PvP would be so dead on PvE servers/ did not know how the game forced you to be in a group or guild focused on PvP to progress.
 
Friends and Ignorance in short :)	
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That feels like cheating to me and I don't even like PvP all that much.
 
PvP to PvE is like crying to your mom to come get you cause you can't cut it at camp.
PvE to PvP is like going to kindergarten as a grown ass man.
 
Like "beating the game" on your friends 99% finished game save.	
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That feels like cheating to me and I don't even like PvP all that much.
 
PvP to PvE is like crying to your mom to come get you cause you can't cut it at camp.
PvE to PvP is like going to kindergarten as a grown ass man.
 
Like "beating the game" on your friends 99% finished game save.
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As many have said in defense of OwPvP.
 
Ganking is a blip.  Just raise and move on.
 
Being a blip on the path, who cares if someone leveled up in PvE or PvP?
 
The point is to have more bodies on the server.  More the merrier.  Being exclusionary is counter productive for PvP fun.	
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			exactly, thank you!	
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That feels like cheating to me and I don't even like PvP all that much.
 
PvP to PvE is like crying to your mom to come get you cause you can't cut it at camp.
PvE to PvP is like going to kindergarten as a grown ass man.
 
Like "beating the game" on your friends 99% finished game save.
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I play on a PvP server and enjoy owPvP. I have been ganked in this game. There has not been all that much but a few occasions it has happened. I have also run into PvP competition which has indeed taken up some of my gaming time. I rolled on a PvP server because that is what I wanted while levelling so spend some of my game time involved in owPvP whether that be balanced or not.
 
Now how on earth did any of that relate to server transfers?
 
Does someone transfer from a PvE server mean that I suddenly did not enjoy those experiences? Does someone transfer from a PvE server change the fact I wanted to level with the added danger of instant death? Or does it just meant that there was now another person on my server to add life and activity?
 
Either you enjoy owPvP or you do not. If you do not enjoy owPvP, roll on a PvE server. If you do enjoy owPvP, roll on a PvP server. If you make the wrong choice at the beginning you have to pay to swap and that should be the only penalty.	
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			the answer is no, and should always be no, everyone that keeps posting these threads must be thick or something, no ez mode leveling then transfering over to gank lowbies. PvP server means gank server.	
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While many people are mature about the idea of pve people gong to a pvp  server, there is still the unfair advantage issue.
 
There is a divide between those that pvp and those that pve. Could you imagine the flame wars and tears that would commence if this was allowed? The forums would be flooded with ... I had to level up and pay my dues it is not fair.....  it would be worse than the tears that flood them now over every little thing.
 
You still have those hard core pvp people who would not dare step foot onto carebear soil ( pve server) and IMHO I think they have a right to their beliefs and wants and server.  
 
I was one of those that started on a pvp server and the queues were so horrid my little group rolled on a pve server. Against my feelings on it , I still went along with it and made a pve server toon. Most of the guys are now raid attuned or close to it and if they went back to a pvp server they would reroll. It would not feel right not paying our due.... not sure if anyone understands that, but it is how the few I play with see the situation.
 
While those that want to and see no harm in it ..plenty do... and yes it would help the population issue on the eu servers . Maybe a one time move would do it ,but just to open up a pve to pvp transfer anytime...just... to me.... feels wrong.
 
To each their own opinion but I am going with the " it is not fair to those that rolled on a pvp server to begin with". Might be because I always felt it was wrong and most of the mmo's I have played never did it so I am conditioned to that mindset. Either way it is how I  feel imho on the situation.
 
I guess I see it this way:  Back in Rift we had guilds that would go all out for server firsts. Then they would server hop ( free transfers at one time on a 7 day cool down) and gain the world first on it ( they always targeted lower pop servers that had a hard time with larger size world firsts on new content). When they implemented cross server guilds they would continue this style off take over and domination. The forums were filled with people outraged that they were doing this. While it was completely ok and allowed to move guilds and not an exploit ,it would really cause flame wars and  " it is not fair" posts on forums. The guilds on lower pop servers struggled to keep core players to do the world firsts, were pissed when a guild transferred in for a week solely to steal the world firsts and move on to next realm. .... While not an exploit or wrong technically it was still a bad taste in my mouth... this is how I feel about pve to pvp movement.	
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Things is, i don't pvp much in this game.. yet.. i would xfer to a pvp server if the population on my server was bad/ pvp server had good population.. to do PVE content
 
Tbh if i rolled on a pvp server and ganking was present in a zone, id just go run instances/adventures for xp for 30min and go back
 
 
 
But pvp servers are serious buisness, just like the guy who posted a 80x person skorchwing kill on a pvp server.
You had 40 exiles standing on his head, and 40 dominion standing on his butt in balls away from eachother.
 
SO HARDCORE	
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Just because you don't like that rationale, it IS the defining reason why such a transfer path is not allowed.  In light of your reasoning, fire up a new character on that PvP realm and have at it.  Any time spent trying to get this changed (it won't change) could have been spent leveling.
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First of all did you read the thread please start there before making silly comments. Starting another character would put me 4 months behind competition plus I'm not prepared to do it again (spend 30-40 hours leveling a character I have already leveled). Its not that I "don't like" that rationale. It's that I had already dismissed that remark in my opening statement. If you can come up with another reason, that I haven't already dismissed, then I'll be happy to admit it as a valid argument.
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waaaa?
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dcuo allows this, and it doesn't seem to have had that big of an impact
 
not big on pvp, but i don't really see any complaining about it	
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I started on PvE server because IRL friends wanted to play on that server and I wanted to play with them from time to time. I did not think that PvP would be so dead on PvE servers/ did not know how the game forced you to be in a group or guild focused on PvP to progress.
 
Friends and Ignorance in short :)
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So in short, you are pleading they completely change the rules to accomodate you because you chose to play with friends and was ignorant to researching pvp pve first.
 
You essentially know this will negatively affect and make a lot of players unhappy if it were to happen yet you are asking anyways just because of something you regretted doing?
 
think about it...
 
You should just re-roll on the server of your choice,
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If i could transfer from PvE to PvP I would. I stated on PvE because I normally do not like being forced into PvP. Had bad experiences in WoW that have scarred me. However, I do enjoy PvP (an thus have to do it via BGs/Arenas).
 
I know usually PvE->PvP is not allowed because people would just level their character on a PvE realm easy and quickly.
 
So like WoW, I'll get to control when I PvP, unless I re-roll...but dang I do like the goodies my main has collected so far and would hate ti lose them (I tend to play 1 character, almost always.)	
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conversation on the subject with cougar@cougardc about this issue 100 pm 5 june 14
 
 
 @Cougar will the E -> P block be permanent or for a set period? Any timescales yet?
 
Cougar:  "Unsure We have to prevent ease of E leveling -> P, then praying on the lowbies on P. When that stops mattering? Not sure"
 
@Cougar A fair point, but will always be lowbies though, people rerolling for example. Has to come  a point when it's accepted
 
Cougar "Ya, it will. I just can't articulate/predict WHEN that lock might be lifted. Not soon, certainly :)"
 
 
 
 
 
But they have the same worry as most have posted here about the PVE getting the gear and lvl on a pve server and rolling over pvp and gank the lowbies..... it might not be an issue you but  it seems to be to them.
 
Take what you want from the conversation  look it up yourself what ever floats your boat, but that is a worry they have as some have posted above and you rudely dismissed them for having an opinion about it.
 
Not everyone is a troll and not everyone shares the same opinion as you . At some point they will most likely lift the restriction .. when ....who knows maybe tomorrow maybe next year ( I personally hope never but that is my opinion). So reroll or wait , those are your choices. Not being rude or a troll but the  "Shall I  use less big words" comments are why we cant have nice things instead of respecting the opinion and advice you choose to be rude.....it is hard to post inflection in a post and most jump right to being dismissive and calling foul or troll. 	
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Sigh... I have thought about it to great extent. If you read the rest of the thread you might notice. How will it negatively effect players? I actually came up with some positives. How was I, or anyone supposed to know that PvP would be dead on all but 1 server? And be unable to experience endgame content. I'm sorry you can't understand.
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			Honestly I don't see what the hubbub is about. I leveled 2 characters up on widow and apart from a couple nights where there were gankers galore in malgrave, I never had anyone try and jump me. Most of the time i ran into the other faction they would help kill whatever mob I was fighting. Also I never saw a ganker in the first wave of people hitting 50. That was all much later.	
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Honestly I don't see what the hubbub is about. I leveled 2 characters up on widow and apart from a couple nights where there were gankers galore in malgrave, I never had anyone try and jump me. Most of the time i ran into the other faction they would help kill whatever mob I was fighting. Also I never saw a ganker in the first wave of people hitting 50. That was all much later.
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			It's far too early in the game's lifecycle to consider these transfers. 1st expansion, possibly.	
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conversation on the subject with cougar@cougardc about this issue 100 pm 5 june 14
 
 
 @Cougar will the E -> P block be permanent or for a set period? Any timescales yet?
 
Cougar:  "Unsure We have to prevent ease of E leveling -> P, then praying on the lowbies on P. When that stops mattering? Not sure"
 
@Cougar A fair point, but will always be lowbies though, people rerolling for example. Has to come  a point when it's accepted
 
Cougar "Ya, it will. I just can't articulate/predict WHEN that lock might be lifted. Not soon, certainly :)"
 
 
 
 
 
But they have the same worry as most have posted here about the PVE getting the gear and lvl on a pve server and rolling over pvp and gank the lowbies..... it might not be an issue you but  it seems to be to them.
 
Take what you want from the conversation  look it up yourself what ever floats your boat, but that is a worry they have as some have posted above and you rudely dismissed them for having an opinion about it.
 
Not everyone is a troll and not everyone shares the same opinion as you . At some point they will most likely lift the restriction .. when ....who knows maybe tomorrow maybe next year ( I personally hope never but that is my opinion). So reroll or wait , those are your choices. Not being rude or a troll but the  "Shall I  use less big words" comments are why we cant have nice things instead of respecting the opinion and advice you choose to be rude.....it is hard to post inflection in a post and most jump right to being dismissive and calling foul or troll. 
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Cool thanks for your post. That information is most helpful. I'm sorry for my shortness, I am just getting frustrated because I have invested hours of time into leveling characters that I can't do very much with. I'm sorry for anyone I have offended.
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