149653-yes-sunshine-your-pr-is-still-bad

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In case you missed the Livestream. Redmoon Terror will be on the PTR in portions that need testing. The PTR was pushed back from the 16th. No official date, "next few weeks". They will announce the new date when it's known.
Source: http://www.twitch.tv/wildstar/v/44095318?t=29m15s
 
just found this out on a twitch stream	
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			calm down, probs will be out the very next week	
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Wow, salty.
 
I'm not sure if you can picture this scenario but sometimes problems show up in a PTR build that were found after the email was sent. And that's exactly what happened. The PTR date was never announced on the main website news feed, only in the email that is optional to subscribe to. I'm not sure what it takes to sent out a "Whoops, wrong date" email but announcing it on both of the livestreams is still a constructive step forward.	
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Wow, salty.
 
I'm not sure if you can picture this scenario but sometimes problems show up in a PTR build that were found after the email was sent. And that's exactly what happened. The PTR date was never announced on the main website news feed, only in the email that is optional to subscribe to. I'm not sure what it takes to sent out a "Whoops, wrong date" email but announcing it on both of the livestreams is still a constructive step forward.
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You know what would be even more constructive? How about using the damn forums once in a while to announce this stuff?
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Most likely because the number of stream viewers and social media users far outstrips the number of forum goers and you're more likely to get an instant update on your social media of choice rather than on the forums? Welcome to the age of Facebook/Twitter and the like. Forums are a dying breed.
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			Just put a twitter feed on a sidebar. Done.	
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Most likely because the number of stream viewers and social media users far outstrips the number of forum goers and you're more likely to get an instant update on your social media of choice rather than on the forums? Welcome to the age of Facebook/Twitter and the like. Forums are a dying breed.
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Announcing stuff on the forums might actually give people a reason to visit them.
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It's got nothing to do with PTR problems, it's all about Carbines continuing to act like a third world country. And their ability to inform the players.
Was really hoping that after the open letter from pappy we would see a swift change! Now the letter feels like the empty promise we got from Mike Donatelli the year before.
 
If I had not been chatting with Kal and other great community members on her http://www.twitch.tv/KalScattergood last night, I still would have no idea, the night before we had all talked of our excitement about the 16th	
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Statistically, forumgoers account for maybe...5, 10 percent tops of any game's player base. Social media likes and followings are simply more populous. Hence, "official" forums are less and less popular for publishers/developers to use.
 
Not many know how to use a forum's subscribe function, yet knowing how to like a page or follow a tweet is simple as a couple clicks. News just gets out faster using social media outlets these days.
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Well this "announcement" was made on late Friday wasn't it? At least give them til after Monday before bitching about it.
 
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Thanks mini, for giving us the information at least =)
A shame it has been pushed back, but if there are bugs making it unplayable it's better to delay it.
I'm looking forward to it though, since halls of the bloodsworn revamp will be available, can't wait to try =)	
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Well this "announcement" was made on late Friday wasn't it? At least give them til after Monday before bitching about it.
 
Do you work on the weekends?
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Well this "announcement" was made on late Friday wasn't it? At least give them til after Monday before bitching about it.
 
Do you work on the weekends?
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			Rude and presumptuous	
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Really this announcement was made ? That did make me smile :)
 
And being a mother of 2, just like the game, I work 24/7...maybe I should just chuck them onto the streets at weekends ? Or maybe the game should just shut shop sat/sun.......it is only 2016.
 
PR since launch ? Rubbish..community team ? Rubbish....the information would have been available before the stream! How on earth can anybody think it's OK for a game to not use it's own website ?
 
And no problem TEA somebody needed to do it ^^
 
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honestly, that's irrelevant.
This is Carbine's MAIN WEBSITE!
Any and all information related to their product needs to be on this website first and foremost.
NOT on a third-party website.
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No, chief, it's NOT irrelevant. Websites and forums aren't as in style these days for rapid communication of information as compared to social media. Consider how many pages you follow and like on FB and Twitter, and how easily those notifications are sent to your phone or other mobile device. Forum notifications, on the other hand, are generally sent by email, which many people simply don't check as often (whereas, let's face it, a lot of people nowadays live their lives connected to Facebook or Twitter).
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Consider how many pages you follow and like on FB and Twitter, and how easily those notifications are sent to your phone or other mobile device.
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That's not how social media are supposed to work.
I have no problem against using social media to extend your reach to a larger or different audience, but your main website is where all your information needs to be.
This applies to any business.
You can share it further over twitter, facebook and what not. All these platforms have the ideal API for this so you can post something on your website and have automatic posts about it on every modern social media platform you wish to be spreading the news about.
 
If they want to be using twitter, reddit or something else as their main communication platform, fine.
But then at least be consistent about it and stick to it.
Don't alternate between all the difference sources.
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For somebody to have claimed to watch the stream you missed that part where they talked about starting to use the forums as their main form of communication again.
 
*Not that I don't disagree with the fact that the WildStar forums/website should have been their main site for keeping the playerbase in the know all along but you're just plain rude and you know you could've handled that a lot differently.
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Social media are mainly used for sharing and giving evidence to news and statements written somewhere else, such as websites and forum.
Of course, how could you even consider releasing official news or any kind of long and detailed post through a medium that doesn't allow proper editing and formatting. Bold, italic, font size, colours, pictures, lists and more in general html/bb code, social media don't allow anything of these. 
It's also easier to search for old posts on a forum/website rather than scrolling a page for hours.	
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No, chief, it's NOT irrelevant. Websites and forums aren't as in style these days for rapid communication of information as compared to social media. Consider how many pages you follow and like on FB and Twitter, and how easily those notifications are sent to your phone or other mobile device. Forum notifications, on the other hand, are generally sent by email, which many people simply don't check as often (whereas, let's face it, a lot of people nowadays live their lives connected to Facebook or Twitter).
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At no point did I claim to have watched the Carbine stream, I actually said I heard this on A twitch stream http://www.twitch.tv/KalScattergood I then linked a link.
 
So you think I'm being rude ? That's up to you, you have that right! But just sitting back watching mistake after mistake, just look at the state of the game! Wildstar is a beautiful game that's being wrecked from the inside out, we are at deaths door and can't afford any more “ it will be all right “ attitude from the Carbine PR and community team.
 
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Did you also whine and stomp your feet when Blizzard had to push back their patches/expansions? Because you know, Carbine is for some reason supposed to be *perfect* and they aren't allowed to be human. Doesn't matter what Carbine does, it's wrong. Every. Single. Time.  Where's the praise? You say that the game is being wrecked from the inside out and I'll partly agree with that, because I think we'd probably have a lot more players if so many people didn't drag Carbine through the mud on every little thing that they do. Nobody wants to read negativity all the time. 
 
How about some constructive feedback instead of how you chose to word it? Where exactly is *that* going to get you?
 
The WildStar community needs to step it up. **Make it a place where people will actually want to come. Make it relevant. Stop being so negative about everything.**
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Sorry, but I love the game too much not to be critical of it's flaws. I praise it for what it does right. I'm always trying to get new people to play the game by way of social media. But, when something is wrong I'm not going to pretend it's not. If players don't tell Carbine how they feel then the only way they'll know there's a problem is when they lose a customer, and even then they won't know why. 
 
I will agree though that criticism should be constructive, and not simply saying "[Problem X] is s**t."	
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			This entire thread and it's title (past and present) really make me ashamed to be part of this community. This used to be a wonderful place, but now it feels like the community is just ripping itself apart. I don't partake in these forums as much as I used to, reddit I barely touch anymore, twitter's been alright but I recently had to put someone on mute there. In fact, I don't blame carbine for not frequenting these forums but they have promised to start so perhaps people like you will stop throwing their temper tantrums.	
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Did you also whine and stomp your feet when Blizzard had to push back their patches/expansions? Because you know, Carbine is for some reason supposed to be *perfect* and they aren't allowed to be human. Doesn't matter what Carbine does, it's wrong. Every. Single. Time.  Where's the praise? You say that the game is being wrecked from the inside out and I'll partly agree with that, because I think we'd probably have a lot more players if so many people didn't drag Carbine through the mud on every little thing that they do. Nobody wants to read negativity all the time. 
 
How about some constructive feedback instead of how you chose to word it? Where exactly is *that* going to get you?
 
The WildStar community needs to step it up. **Make it a place where people will actually want to come. Make it relevant. Stop being so negative about everything.**
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Yes, it is irrelevant.  I only made myself a twitter account extremely recently, and that was only to enter a contest.  I don't check W* twitter except when I get the stupid "Website is under maintenance" when I try to log into the forums and I'm just checking to see if it's a goof-up with Chrome or if the website really is under maintenance.  I use Facebook for my family, I don't think I ever "Liked" anything from W* on it.  And even then, the notifications get so annoying that I changed my password and never updated it on my phone.  I check my email a couple of times a day.  Emails, main website, and forum posts are how I usually get any relevant info about W*, which is how it should be.  We shouldn't have to rely only on their social medias for info about the game.  What we see on social media should be a quick blurb and a "Click this main site/forum link for more in-depth information :D"
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Respectfully, I disagree. From a personal standpoint, it really doesn't matter; however, we have an entire generation born and raised on FB/Twitter/Reddit. Businesses have seen this paradigm shift and many are adapting to the use of social media to get the news out. Maybe not right now, but in five to ten years, forums and BBS will be largely in disuse. Forums, as they currently stand, already have such a small regular usage base. Carbine isn't the only major developer/publisher to use social media and other forms of communication besides their website and forum. 
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			Even being a Chua you have the right to disagree :)....but the important word in your post was " besides "	
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Carbine makes announcement via official communication methods.. Perpetually salty ministabber says it's not official enough.. 
 
 
I must be missing the issue.....	
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			 While i agree that social media is the wave of the future.. most companies still understand the importance of maintaining their official sites.. yes this is their official site. When a company alienates their own product..(this forum is part of their product) it sends a very bad message to the audience that maybe following it. If carbine doesn't care about this part of their business than what else do they not care about. Carbine is demonstrating its failure at pr by alienating its own official forums. Hopefully carbine can see this and create some reform.. were not expecting devs to be hanging out and shooting shit with us all day here.. but a sticky post or a short dev post with a link would be nice...now if they are making these threads they need to do it on the general part of the forum the rest of the other forum aspects are nearly abandoned with lower views.	
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Carbine isn't the only major developer/publisher to use social media and other forms of communication besides their website and forum. 
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Respectfully, I disagree. From a personal standpoint, it really doesn't matter; however, we have an entire generation born and raised on FB/Twitter/Reddit. Businesses have seen this paradigm shift and many are adapting to the use of social media to get the news out. Maybe not right now, but in five to ten years, forums and BBS will be largely in disuse. Forums, as they currently stand, already have such a small regular usage base. Carbine isn't the only major developer/publisher to use social media and other forms of communication besides their website and forum. 
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At no point did I claim to have watched the Carbine stream, I actually said I heard this on A twitch stream http://www.twitch.tv/KalScattergood I then linked a link.
 
So you think I'm being rude ? That's up to you, you have that right! But just sitting back watching mistake after mistake, just look at the state of the game! Wildstar is a beautiful game that's being wrecked from the inside out, we are at deaths door and can't afford any more “ it will be all right “ attitude from the Carbine PR and community team.
 
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Really this announcement was made ? That did make me smile :)
 
And being a mother of 2, just like the game, I work 24/7...maybe I should just chuck them onto the streets at weekends ? Or maybe the game should just shut shop sat/sun.......it is only 2016.
 
PR since launch ? Rubbish..community team ? Rubbish....the information would have been available before the stream! How on earth can anybody think it's OK for a game to not use it's own website ?
 
And no problem TEA somebody needed to do it ^^
 
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What does it matter? In no material way are we impacted if we don't know the exact date they initialize redmoon on the PTR. Sure, it's great knowing everything; but if we get a delay in implementation there's literally nothing we can do about it on our end. Why are we razing *cupcake* because we were notified on the stream rather than email, or on the forums, or on twitter, or on facebook....?
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You're misinterpreting my post if you think I'm being antagonistic or am annoyed.  I was speaking more broadly.  The communication has been fantastic lately, but sometimes it feels like information gets lost in the cracks due to the multitude of resources that are used to dispense it.
 
But I would agree with the sentiment that it's an overreaction to get angry at Sunshine for announcing something basically in passing on the stream.  She didn't have to.  She could've just held off until Monday or Tuesday until something more official is released (which no doubt will).  If we want the openness and communication with Carbine to continue, I don't think it's in the community's best interest to attack Sunshine.  The Friday streams have always been casual.  I doubt that will continue if Sunshine feels like she has to watch everything she says.  Casual Fridays are a peak behind the curtain to some extent.  I wouldn't want to lose that.
 
My only point was that, when official information is posted, I wish it was a little more easily accessible.
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When did I ever suggest anyone was being antagonistic or was upset? I'm just pointing out that in this case there happens to be much ado about what comes to literally nothing of substance on our part. I absolutely get that its frustrating to have information put in multiple locations asynchronously, but complaining about it when in reality that information has negligible impact on our actual gaming just strikes me as uniquely frivolous.
 
Obviously it would be nice to have concentrated info. If we're being honest, here isn't the best place (I'd say Twitter synched to FB is probably the best method of info-difusion, with archives here on the forums updated weekly). But no need to lose our knickers over a delay that's happening regardless ;)
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Some of us are actually waiting for the PTR to you know play content we havent been doing for the past 6 months. 
 
To announce the PTR push back on stream with the what 10 people who actually watch it and to be stupid enough to think that's a good way to communicate with your player base is a joke. 
 
Don't bother arguing. Since that seems to be the only thing you actually do.
 
And back to BnS
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And no matter how quickly or by what method you are notified of the delay (or not) you're still not playing Redmoon on the PTR until it actually drops. Your knowledge of the delay (or lack there of) has no impact on that.
 
More people watch the stream than participate on the forum
 
You clearly don't pay much attention. But, even if you were right (you're not) why would you think I wouldn't argue, because that's the only thing I do? Logically I would obviously argue, because that's the only thing I do....
 
Enjoy the Loli-furries ;)
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No, beattlebilly, it's NOT irrelevant. Websites and forums aren't as in style these days for rapid communication of information as compared to social media. Consider how many pages you follow and like on FB and Twitter, and how easily those notifications are sent to your phone or other mobile device. Forum notifications, on the other hand, are generally sent by email, which many people simply don't check as often (whereas, let's face it, a lot of people nowadays live their lives connected to Facebook or Twitter).
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Being a MUM is not "working" or a "job".
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Well thank you for your feedback in the thread, it's just a shame these topics often degrade into personal attacks. Some would not look out of place on a gamergate forum, or maybe even the reason those forums exist.
 
My OP was made out of frustration disbelief and a little anger about how this news was related to me, those feelings still stand.   	
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Well thank you for your feedback in the thread, it's just a shame these topics often degrade into personal attacks. Some would not look out of place on a gamergate forum, or maybe even the reason those forums exist.
 
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Greetings,
 
We are closing this topic. Feedback about Carbine's communication are great and appreciate when they are constructive, everyone seems to have expressed his opinion, we don't want it to go further especially because of personal attacks.
 
Thanks for your contribution.
 
Regards,
Team WildStar.	
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