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This isn't something that can be fixed overnight, it's an ongoing battle, just as hacking, malware, any kind of exploit, or bad guys in the real world, are never stopped, only dulled or pushed away after time.
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Wow is this totally out of control.
 
Why is it so hard to have a gm patrol till anti-teleport gets put in. There really aren't that many servers.
 
Looking like an out of control f2p. That's gonna kill it. Do something Carbine, even on weekends.	
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			The bot situation has become very serious. something needs to be done right away. even if you have to manually have your team in game in every zone on every server manually banning these TP farming hack bots, you need to do it or this situation will destroy your game. do what you have to do to take care of it carbine or this game will fail.. nobody is going to pay to play a game that has issues this serious. you need to show the botters and those adversely affected by them ( me and and every other non cheating players ) that you are dead serious about these issues and will take immediate action regarding this level or cheating. 	
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The bot situation has become very serious. something needs to be done right away. even if you have to manually have your team in game in every zone on every server manually banning these TP farming hack bots, you need to do it or this situation will destroy your game. do what you have to do to take care of it carbine or this game will fail.. nobody is going to pay to play a game that has issues this serious. you need to show the botters and those adversely affected by them ( me and and every other non cheating players ) that you are dead serious about these issues and will take immediate action regarding this level or cheating. 
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I posted a thread here before I noticed this one: https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/83262-farming-speed-hacker/ which will probably get removed due to this official thread. I have removed his name from my post. 
 
Some video evidence of teleport/farming should you need it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcmXVnLN5MA	
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Right now, what we as players want is the teleporting and instant mining of nodes to stop.  Even if the bot detection things come later, just stop the teleporting and hacks.  If that can be done, then they will have to RUN from node to node, meaning there might actually be some nodes up (and the level 10's get killed by wildlife).  As it currently stands, the ONLY nodes I'm able to get are the nodes at my house.  The game map has it to where there are literally no nodes because the bots are farming that much.
 
I've been excited about this game since I first heard about it, and I would like to keep playing, but I might just have to wait a month or so until you take care of this issue.
 
A simple solution would be to force everybody to use a 2 step authentication, that way the account is secure. (Players can download it an app to the PC).  That takes care of compromised accounts, then start bringing down the ban hammer.  Ban Foreign IPs relative to that region on servers if you must for a time being, I don't care, but it needs to be solved, forcefully if necessary.	
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			I've been questing in Malgrave around Protostar Marketing, and witnessed and reported 5 speedhackers porting from node to node, same routes for 30+ min. 2 of them were in legit guilds, 3 in goldseller adress guilds. And this is on Lightspire EU, RP and one of the lesser populated. I can only imagine how other servers are.I wonder if our reports are worth anything!? Carbine!!! Kick their butts (the hackers!).	
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 that is exactly what happend in TESO, WOW, SWTOR, RIFT, LOTRO and so on and so on.
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			Does anyone know if there is there some way I can get a refund for this game now that I've found that the botting problem is entirely out of hand? I wouldn't of bought the game had I known it was this bad and really don't feel like spending my time playing it when part of the game doesn't work. I was enjoying this game so much up until I wanted to level up my trade skills and found that you really can't, they should warn you when you buy it until they have this sorted out.	
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Wildstar is becoming, harder, and harder to enjoy. Not because it's not fun, but the bot's are just everywhere now. 
 
A few days ago, I could go into the mines, caves, tunnels, etc, etc. And actually mine without fear of bots. Now on one of my Alt's in a the Gallow, you can't even mine Iron nodes, the lowest form of ore nodes. Why? because bots simply zip around from node to node, and I've noticed when there's a monster near a node, none appear, but as soon as you kill the monster near the node, there they are, move right in, and jack the node.
 
This is getting just about as ridiculous as Elder Scrolls Online, and I was someone who actually enjoyed that game. The only difference between this game and TESO now, is that at the very least, I don't see bots outside of town killing everything in sight. Sadly, crafting is one of the things I enjoy about Mmo's, and sadly, it's becoming more, and more impossible to do. Sure, I could just go to the auction house and buy ore, or the wood we're seeing at all time lows, but I can't really level up, or progress in any of these professions I chose.
 
Unfortunately, I can't say for sure if I'm going to resub after Jul, 3rd. One of the basic functions is infested by bots, and Carbine is losing. The sad part about this, and no offense to Cougar, and his team or anything. But they stated via streams, they actually have systems, or had systems and plans implemented ready to fight these bots. 3-4 weeks in, and they're losing, and ran out of idea's? I don't quite know whether to laugh, or cry. I can't imagine someone who stated they were prepared to "fight" these bots would run out of idea's so fast. 
 
Oh well, we'll see how everything turns out, might have to take a break from Wildstar after it's first month. Of course, I said the exact same thing about ESO, and probably never going back. But at least I can kill stuff in WIldstar for the time being.
 
EDIT: And no, I'm not going to report these bots, because this simply isn't my problem. I care less whether Carbine makes money, or loses it. I'm paying for a game to play, and enjoy it. I'm not paying Carbine to become the "Internetz Police". That's not my job. I have one in reality already, which I then use some money from that job, to come home at the end of the day(s), and enjoy myself. As obnoxious as this sounds. It's really not mine, nor any other players problems. We're not here to do "their" job.	
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I still believe, we as community should help Carbine with the bot and goldseller problem.
For example if you know someone who bought gold for real money, hacked, bought an account or something, 
just put them on a server wide blacklist here on the server forums. Call them out, dont let them join your group.
thats the only way i can see that we will get rid of those. because as loong as we as community,
accept people that buy gold or use their services it wont stop.	
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ITS WORSE
 
Can't get wood/metal node in PvE because of the INSANE amounts of farming bots.
 
PvP has dancing bots offering there website/gold/leveling service as guild name, more bots than players in PvP!
 
 
As for stuff like "I still believe, we as community should help Carbine with the bot and goldseller problem."
 
We try! There's still no UI for reporting players. And the SAME mass reported bot is still there hours/days later.	
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Send in some staff to Wilderrun on any server and you'll see The Warpers.
 
 
Follow the Survivalist trees or the camps with rez points (especially near the starting town dominion side)
 
 
Ban them once manually, just as a token of good faith until whatever magical autoban feature you're working on comes in at some point in the future.
 
 
I've seen the same guy there i reported 2 days ago, still on his same circuit.
 
That sucks and makes players in general lose faith.
 
I enjoyed pvp after the first round of bot/afk bans,
 
now i want to enjoy pve/crafting so lets get that hammer down on it shall we?	
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Would the white hats get banned from using fire to fight fire by scanning for them and auto reporting them when they fail to meet certain movement limits? 
 
LOL watch if someone did that they would get banned and the bots will still go on without missing a beat.	
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MMOs are always problematic their first month. I never jump straight into a fresh MMO. I knew I would be playing WildStar after sampling it at PAX13 and my time in the closed Beta. But the first month of release? I've been busy. I don't know how much it's been me waiting for the new born MMO smell to wear off or how much it is that I have a lot of projects up in the air that I want settled before I jump head first into WildStar. All I've done since post launch was create a character. I haven't even left the ship.
 
That said, my account was caught in the initial ban wave. My account was compromised by a RMT spammer. My apologies to everyone that had to deal with the actions of the RMT spammer that hi-jacked my account. I do have some concerns on how this was handled.
 
1- Get an authenticator. These 3 words have pushed me to near rage this week. No authenticator service was available in Closed or Open Beta. If one was, it wasn't advertised. From what I hear, there was a splash screen on the patcher advertising the service after launch. I don't think this is enough. I think a mass email to WildStar's subscriber base should be sent out so everyone knows about the service.
 
2- Quoted response times. I understand that your customer service desk is swamped with tickets. If you quote 24 hours, I expect something in 24 hours. A response saying "Sorry for the delay, it is going to be longer than originally quoted" would suffice. Instead, I was stuck waiting for almost 5 days to get a response after the initial ticket. I ended up opening a second ticket on the 4th day under the category "I've been Hacked" instead of "I've been Banned". I got a response to the second ticket before I got a response to the first ticket. So there's clearly some type of ticket prioritizing that could stand to be adjusted.
 
3- Lost time. I wanted to play this weekend and at the least get off the ship. This week was lost to me. It's bad enough that there is a character on my account that I cannot delete. The loss of game time is a financial hit that I do not believe I should take the full brunt of. There should be some form of time extension granted to those of us that lost time due to the delayed response from the support desk.
 
4- Get a damn phone number. There's only one avenue for communicating with your company. When that channel breaks down or there is no response from your support teams in the quoted times, I am left with the feeling that I am being ignored or no one cares about my issue.
 
5- Earlier hacking warnings. You have a service on the website to notify me when my account is accessed from an unknown IP. Why isn't this in place for the game? Learning my account was compromised by being caught in a mass scripted ban is a little too late. I know it is easy to spoof an IP and maybe that's the case here. Somehow I doubt these RMT spam bots are IP spoofing. Even if they are, that doesn't seem to be to hard of a thing to catch.	
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Monday June 23, 2014
Thunderfoot server
Galeras mapprolific mining bot activity
mining bots everywhere
I managed to get a few nodes but it's very time consuming.  Gotta find the node, gotta get to it, then hopefully during that last few milliseconds of effort, I hope a bot does not get it first.  I was successful a few times but the bots won this morning.  More often than not I saw a bot get the node before I could  I submitted one ticket then moved over to another alt to do something else.	
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Guys you really going to lose players very soon. Couse no one want to play game if he cant get resources-mobs couse of tonns of bots, and see thet support doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop them.
Oh and one more - DO NOT warn people about ban waves like in 1st message. couse if you do this cheaters just send all stuff\gold they farmed to "safe" accounts. Tell us about this after you kick their "beep" to hell out.	
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I'm currenting sitting in Spineridge Nest, Pago server, 2050, -1715.  Every 15-20 seconds a bot will teleport to this node spawn.  I've reported eight unique bots so far.
 
It's out of control.  Out of control.  The bots are even competing with each other for node spawns.  How the cupcake am I supposed to get the materials to weaponsmith?	
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I had to stop trying to report them. I can't get their names over half the time because they zip up from underground, one hit and poof. My husband told me to stop trying to report them, because"you shouldn't be doing their job for them" he also added they must not care for this to still be going on. I agree, and honestly, the fact that vendoring mats is better profit than selling them to other people adds insult to injury.
 
I don't know if I want to play a game where the one thing I love to do in games is completely out of the question(crafting).	
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To report a player.
 
/ticket
 
 
on my side, I'll give this game another month to see how this goes. I hope this gets solved as the game is really good besides that.	
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To report a player.
 
/ticket
 
 
on my side, I'll give this game another month to see how this goes. I hope this gets solved as the game is really good besides that.
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I had to stop trying to report them. I can't get their names over half the time because they zip up from underground, one hit and poof. My husband told me to stop trying to report them, because"you shouldn't be doing their job for them" he also added they must not care for this to still be going on. I agree, and honestly, the fact that vendoring mats is better profit than selling them to other people adds insult to injury.
 
I don't know if I want to play a game where the one thing I love to do in games is completely out of the question(crafting).
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Empty this folder of its contents.. C:\Users\USER\Documents\NCSOFT\WildStar\Screenshots
 
Then just use PrtScn to capture screenshot... I find this easier as you get LESS THAN A SECOND to press the button and then just open the file in the folder and look at the usernames.
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Good idea, thanks.
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			I was surprised there was no (at the time, maybe it's fixed?) way to report a battleground bot. A toon name of dfgdfgdfgdfg was standing in the start room, already firing, as we zoned into the bg. Clearly a bot, but no way to get rid of it or even call attention to it. I'm not a huge pvp player, but it's impossible to enjoy a fight or have a hope of winning if half the team does nothing but stand around, run into walls, fire at nothing, and rack up renown they haven't earned. 5-man bot teams in bgs. How hard is that to stop, really? The proof is in the stats.	
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Yes Watergun, it does feel futile, and yes TheOldChick, this game has the worst botting/hacking I have ever seen.
In no mmo have I witnessed such a bot friendly enviroment and I'm 40 years old. Even Diablo3 economy took longer to being destroyed by bots.
 
You wanna know just HOW BAD the botting situation is? Go and look at any site that's selling gold and watch the rate at wich the gold price is dropping for Wildstar.
I do watch such a site, and what I've seen happening in other games in months or years, I see happening with Wildstar in days.
On the site I'm watching, 1000 gold was $23 two days ago, was $10 yesterday and it's $5 today.
That clearly shows that bots are a mass problem and that the banning wave did absolutely nothing.
 
If nothing serious is done about this issue, I'm quite curious to see what will become of Wildstar's CREED system...as it is now, I could pay $15 / month with subscription, I could buy one CREDD for $20, OR I could buy 4000 gold from that site for the same $20, and use that gold to go ingame and buy TEN months worth of subscription.
 
IMO they should be doing NOTHING ELSE this second then fighting to GET RID OF THE BOTS.
How about starting with smth simple and with imediate impact like "you're a level 12 toon mining in Grimvault?" Not anymore! You need to be at least level X to set foot in Grimvault... Idk...not my job to find solutions for them...I just know that a game like this needs to have a decent and somewhat healthy economy, and with the botting that's happening right now, it won't happen.	
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			Lets hope the botters credit card gets banned as well.  No point banning an account if the botter can open another one.	
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I tried to powerlevel some friends through Survivalist by cutting down Grimvault trees for them yesterday. Out of the like 40 trees it took, like 15 of them gave no wood because the bots can fully harvest nodes by just touching them and then leaving a husk. Another 5 were stolen from us by bots on the enemy faction who were completely untargettable and unattackable. It was kind of comical, honestly.
 
I don't even get it. They list their plants for under vendor price, they leave empty resource nodes that won't respawn until a non-bot removes them, reducing the number of nodes to farm. They aren't even making money properly...	
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			it is nice you say you do something, it is just not fast enough if hole Areas are emtpy with recources and this is a 24/7 you expect us then to pay 100 plat for c.r.e.e.d, realy questioning the effort and asking my selfe it is not similar like with the antivirus Programm, who is the helper and who does creat.	
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The quickest fix they could do right now, as they have shown they could do this damn fast with the Architect nerf, is to simply make all gathered materials vendor for 1 copper a piece. That's what these bots are doing. They're gathering up all the nodes and then selling them to the vendors. 
 
I highly doubt all these bots are putting the mats on the AH.	
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While I appreciate that many of the people caught in this ban do truly deserve a ban, I for one did not. Having played MMO's for the last twelve years I have not once hacked, exploited, botted or been banned. Yet I am being made out to be one of the guilty ones in this fiasco. While I am waiting (not patiently!) for my 2 day old support ticket to even get a slight response, I cannot help but feel completely and totally let down by Carbine. 
 
The only things I can possibly conceive that flaged my account for this is either;
 
- A 1:1 Razor macro. DID NOT chain abilities
- SimpleSimon Addon
- Huge latency I've had for the last 7 days due to having to play off a mobile phones internet until BT pulls their fingers out in conjunction with the macro above. (Can imagine I spammed the button during huge ping phases resulting in them all getting used at roughly the same time when it corrected itself)
 
What makes things worse is the fact that you, who have in that one sentence openly admitted to botting in the past, are able to play the game with the account you paid for while the honest people are made to wait losing gametime.
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 I'd buy a new account and bot some more!
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 :lol:
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On the site I'm watching, 1000 gold was $23 two days ago, was $10 yesterday and it's $5 today.
That clearly shows that bots are a mass problem and that the banning wave did absolutely nothing.
 
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Guys you really going to lose players very soon. Couse no one want to play game if he cant get resources-mobs couse of tonns of bots, and see thet support doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop them.
Oh and one more - DO NOT warn people about ban waves like in 1st message. couse if you do this cheaters just send all stuff\gold they farmed to "safe" accounts. Tell us about this after you kick their "beep" to hell out.
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One would HOPE the reason for that quick price decline is that no one is buying their gold, forcing them to drop the prices.
 
The only true way to stop the gold sellers is to boycott their product so they fail.
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Bots everywhere. Even Wildstar Player Support is using support bots for auto replies to your support tickets. Not even a single personal reply to my tickets. So sad.
 
Lost faith about this game and I'm not spending any more time in a game that's infested with cheaters. Cancelled my subscription, nobody cares bai.	
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Please FFS get the next wave of banns asap.   There's more bots than players on Warbringer in Deradune.   There's that many bots that they are competing with each other.   10 bots on one node, how the fk is a guy to get his crafting done at this level.   I fight 5 mobs to get to my bit of ore, only to have 10 muddafkn bots on a plane hijack my node quicker than I could poke a sharp pointy stick at it.    Seriously though.   There is that many bots on Warbringer even the gold farmers are putting in tickets about the other bots beating their cupcake scripts lol.   No word of a lie, there is that many bots on Warbringer.    I think you get the general idea.
 
Thank fk the devs are listening.	
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			I hade to laugh at my last bot reply from NCSoft, After putting in my seven thousandth ticket this week,  they actually had the cheek to survey me and ask if I was satisfied with their automated response lol.   But knowing what I was up against, I said yes I was satisfied, which promptly befuddled the NcSoft bot support system in to an infinite loop, and brought the system down kicking my smart ass out of the server, " you have lost network connection" lol	
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			Wouldn't a big solution to this is to have the nodes spawn i random locations?	
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			Logged in, ignored the usual "invited to goldspamer site" arena team, then ignored the auto spammer friend invite (which is new to me), went to grimvault, saw the usual rivals (aka bots I've reported and marked as rival) teleporting around the map, went back to my skybase, and promptly logged out.	
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			You got this shit right.  When I just ported into Malgrave for the first time the loud ass narrator voice over guy mentioned something about me battling crazy ass bots.  You damn sure knew it was coming didn't you!	
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Logged in, ignored the usual "invited to goldspamer site" arena team, then ignored the auto spammer friend invite (which is new to me), went to grimvault, saw the usual rivals (aka bots I've reported and marked as rival) teleporting around the map, went back to my skybase, and promptly logged out.
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Right'o - as you guys won't reply to my ticket, even though more than 4 days have passed. I'll try here too! I know this is yet another "i've been banned" post, but as customer support just plain blows; UNBAN ME! I do not use hacks nor bots, and yes I know anyone can state that too, but I can only honestly state that and hope you'll listen.
 
So PLEASE take a look at my ticket #467003, and get me unbanned asap. I love the game and would love to get back to gearing my newly dinged 50!
 
Cheers!	
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This is a huge problem for new players as well.  If you want to get a vibrant growing community, having them unable to get mats for crafting is a serious problem.  If a player, new to Wildstar, runs up to a tree/vein/relic/plant, only to have a bot port in, steal it, and then port away in the blink of an eye, that player will start to get frustrated.  If it happens too many more times, the player will just up and quit entirely, realizing that there's no way they will be able to progress in crafting.
 
So, please, please, get some GMs in to the servers, sit near nodes where people are reporting the bots, and CATCH them, then BAN them, right then and there, no ifs ands or buts.  Lock the account, strip the inventory, and get rid of them. 
 
Don't ignore and put aside people reporting these bots.  Your players are trying to help, listen to them.
 
Hoping you catch them via logging if all sorts of nice, but the Eyeball MK 1 is still the best way to catch someone cheating like this.	
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I really hope that the issue with mining bots/hacks can be fixed soon. I tried to spend sometime yesterday to do mining and crafting to level up but 50% of the time, I got cheated by the bots. I ran up to the node so to find the bot zip through it from wall to wall and the node disappeared... same thing with tree.
 
I was able to click on one of the bots quickly, hit whisper to save the name, and report it through the ticket system though...	
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			I really hope that too... its nearly impossible to farm anything in Wilderrun (Stormtalon) right now, the place is full of bots... :(	
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I hade to laugh at my last bot reply from NCSoft, After putting in my seven thousandth ticket this week,  they actually had the cheek to survey me and ask if I was satisfied with their automated response lol.   But knowing what I was up against, I said yes I was satisfied, which promptly befuddled the NcSoft bot support system in to an infinite loop, and brought the system down kicking my smart ass out of the server, " you have lost network connection" lol
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When you guys say thousands of accounts getting banned.. all i can think about is Hydra saying "Cut off one head and 2 more shall take it's place"
 
If you bann the botter they will just hack some new guy and use him until next bann wave and so on, and if you start banning faster they will just hack more.. i guess xD There is no end too it :(	
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			I appreciate that it's something the devs are aware of/working on, and I really hope this is something that sees more attention.  On Myrcalus the harvester bots are everywhere in lowel level areas, and starting to creep up into Whitevale.  In an hour of gathering iron for dailies yesterday I came across 5 different harvesting bots teleporting between nodes and annoying the hell out of anyone who came across them.  There are economic issues that arise from this obviously enough, but largely I'm concerned about new players . I know if I was just starting out and had a bunch of resources ganked by a bot, i'd feel pretty dissuaded from gathering/doing any crafting in future.  Combined with the spam arena team/friend invites and the spam mail (which has been a bit better recently in fairness), this could be enough to drive some players out of the game entirely.  I love this game and have no plans on quitting, I just want to see the community grow, which it will do more slowly if the bot problem continues.	
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Server restarts:
"YAY!, I'm not being molested by bots at nodes!"
 
20 minutes later:
"......*cupcake*"	
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I am sorry for those that have innocently been hit with the ban hammer, it happens, and it sucks.  Best of luck getting reinstated.
 
There are some really simple, but not so obvious, things you might consider about how software/security folks look for hacks on a running system, which are completely outside the realm of server-side log parsing/data mining.
 
First, to those of you asking for 'transparency into how they detect hacks', know that you are asking too much.   You will not get a straight answer because that lack of transparency is one of the biggest deterrents to botting/hacking/cheating.  It won't happen, stop asking.
 
Second, for the self-proclaimed 'innocents', think deeply about other things you might do on your computer (or your spouse/friend/brother/roommate/etc).  Ever install a packet capture tool, a compiler/debugger, or any software test/automation tools?  Whether used to hack a game or not, any of those items running on your computer will be a potential red flag.   Do you have macro goblin installed from that time 2 years ago when you DID bot some other game?   Red flag.  Do you have *GOOD* anti-virus/anti-malware or other security tools running?  If not, it's possible your system is compromised and some unknown activity in the background was flagged.  Are you running from a remote system, through something like mstsc, vnc, etc?  None of these items means you are hacking necessarily, but they are commonly used items that a lot of people have installed/running.   They also happen to be extremely common tools in hacking/cheating online games, or in the generation of such hacks/cheats.
 
I only point out this handful of examples to illustrate that there are a lot of things that might be a factor here other than add-ons and how you play the game.  If you want to get quick support in getting your account reinstated, maybe offer to work with the devs to help them identify those factors contributing to false positives.  There are a lot of system analysis tools you can run to give a full dump of what is installed/running on your system and I bet they can use that output to help figure out what why something might flag you as a cheater.  The point is, we all know that it would suck to get banned if innocent, so we don't need you to tell us (ok, one vent post is acceptable, but no more).   Please try to be constructive, it makes people want to help you instead of saying to themselves "oh yeah, that guys a belligerent douche, put his ticket at the back of the queue..."	
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			Putting my hoof down, Ah'm done, really, these bots are gash darn EVERYWHERE! ah can't even mine cause the nodes are all gone in the whole zone, EVERY zone mind you. Doing early release ah could find a node every minute now ah can only find one every HOUR? What in tarnation are you guys doing? Are you even having GM keep an eye out for these boys? or even watching if any reports go through to investigate? As soon ah'm 50, that be it for me and ah'll be unsubbing.	
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Putting my hoof down, Ah'm done, really, these bots are gash darn EVERYWHERE! ah can't even mine cause the nodes are all gone in the whole zone, EVERY zone mind you. Doing early release ah could find a node every minute now ah can only find one every HOUR? What in tarnation are you guys doing? Are you even having GM keep an eye out for these boys? or even watching if any reports go through to investigate? As soon ah'm 50, that be it for me and ah'll be unsubbing.
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EDIT: And no, I'm not going to report these bots, because this simply isn't my problem. I care less whether Carbine makes money, or loses it. I'm paying for a game to play, and enjoy it. I'm not paying Carbine to become the "Internetz Police". That's not my job. I have one in reality already, which I then use some money from that job, to come home at the end of the day(s), and enjoy myself. As obnoxious as this sounds. It's really not mine, nor any other players problems. We're not here to do "their" job.
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How my friend got banned: He bought credd with a credit card. (didn't know that his credit card was maxxed out) Transaction was approved (but later reversed / denied by CC company) - with CREDD in hand - sold to players for plat. 3 days later... Banned. Permanently. No email, no info, no nothing. Just a "transaction reversed" email.... Contacted support - being moved to billing department. I hate to say it but when i called blizzard they got right on top of things. There isn't even a phone number for carbine/ncsoft.
need moar support please!	
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			Trying to farm nodes in Grimvault or any other high level area right now is a complete crapshoot... The numbers of bots just keep climbing.	
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carbine should take it's own advice and shut down the game for good
 
1.)the bots have just completely overrun the game and the econmy is already on the road to flatlining.
2.)Its going to be completely impossible for anyone to get any credd unless your botting.(so much for buying subs with gametime lol)
3.)pvp is now just about who has the least bots and not about skill.
4.)The game is overbearing with bugs, most of which have been reported ages ago and never addressed.
5.)Even the monthly promise of content will not save this game.
 
This is the first time i have ever seen the possibility of an mmo being killed by greedy, selfish, and inconsiderate people.
So if anything this game has taught us that people can never have a good thing ,not even once.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb4eZ7Z5yk8	
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Temp Fix 100% working rate (Mineral patches)
 
 
Coding Requirements: Change all mine nodes to spawn tunnel worms. Make all mine nodes open tags but only allow the person that does the most dps% be allowed to enter the worm. Example: Me and a friend who are level 50 fight a worm that has 50k hp. I do 26k and he does 24k, I would be the one that has access to the worm. This fixes all mine nodes.
 
Now something that could be done is have tree hit each play for a amount before the first tick of the tag get applied for like 3k or something. But what I would suggest is you design a thicket type entrance like the mining worm that would have the same programming is what I am suggesting for the worm.
 
 
Edit: I want to just put this in so someone doesn't randomly comment about how this would screw up the economy. So you don't have tons of resources you reprogram the current worm or just add another worm in that has 3 or 5 or what ever the rate is that would equal mineral collection running around currently. You would have to calculate how much time is wasted because you have to dps every worm now enter two loading screen etc. but whatever that number is you make a normal worm that has that number of nodes in a much smaller room than the current worm that exists and then you leave the current worms spawn rate so that every once in awhile you get lucky and get the upgraded worm.	
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another day, 100 more bots, and no action being taken.  WOO.  carbine 1 bots 100.
 
you know what would be fantastic if this "round 1" was daily.  PUSH BACK THE ULTRA DROP and fix this.	
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How do you craft? I am in game standing in Ann Silo 14. You know the place with tons of Relics? I see 2. The bot going ..well flying and teleporitng.. haha I would put the name but Carbine would protect it.
 
This person is lvl 23. So they been doing this for a few days. Been reporting SOOOOOO many times.
 
See today started by me going on a quest..I see a tree..ooh nice! Maybe they banned them. I start to do it.. NO LIE... 3 fly in.. I stand there.. 2 more..then one more. I go a tad farther 1 going round getting trees. So in total I see 10.
 
Now what really gets me is we all know how easy this is to stop. There are things they can do. The question is WHY dont they? It does  not take time to sort out. Takes ONE person.. to log in.. see them botting and ban.
 
This BAN they did on 18th lated how long? Yeah a day and a half? Now they are worse. Its like they left the door open now.
 
Again I cant understand why they dont get a GM in game.. get 3 guys this is all they do. People would be so happy. Again you have to wonder WHY.
 
Carbine you are losing people fast. What kills this is WORD OF MOUTH. Its getting on MMO sites now. I read more about bugs and then bots.
 
Sorry but after 30days.. if something is not put in place.. I am gone and not looking back. Its not worth it. I gave ESO the same. They said almost word for words Carbine is saying. Look at them now. All that started that MMO are not working there any more. Some new but not like it started. Allot less. They didnt listen to US. Make US happy ..we stay and PAY.
 
Yes thank you for all your hard work but please DEV stand up ..say something. TALK TO THE PEOPLE. Not on this thread which for me takes days to find. I never read this ANYWHERE but here. TALK TO PEOPLE! Tell them ..put it up front on WEB SITE. Thousands of players dont twitter or facebook.. nor do I. PLEASE fix this I want to keep playing..but I wont play with more bots then I see real people	
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I appreciate that it's something the devs are aware of/working on, and I really hope this is something that sees more attention.  On Myrcalus the harvester bots are everywhere in lowel level areas, and starting to creep up into Whitevale.  In an hour of gathering iron for dailies yesterday I came across 5 different harvesting bots teleporting between nodes and annoying the hell out of anyone who came across them.  There are economic issues that arise from this obviously enough, but largely I'm concerned about new players . I know if I was just starting out and had a bunch of resources ganked by a bot, i'd feel pretty dissuaded from gathering/doing any crafting in future.  Combined with the spam arena team/friend invites and the spam mail (which has been a bit better recently in fairness), this could be enough to drive some players out of the game entirely.  I love this game and have no plans on quitting, I just want to see the community grow, which it will do more slowly if the bot problem continues.
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			Not a peep from Carbine about this problem. I wonder if they realize that July 3rd is the re-up date for the next month? That leaves 9 days for them to get this fixed or they will see a lot of people (mainly those that don't go to the forums) cancel their subs. This issue is absolutely and utterly gamebreaking and the Devs couldn't give two shits about it; at least, that's the way the total silence is making it look like.	
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Manually ban the Warpers for the here and now, its depressing to play seeing them fly around you all day with a ticket on them from 3 days back going unworked on.
 
The cynic in me says it wont happen until next month's sub renewal +1 day.	
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i just watched a mining bot over and over in softsnow woods even have it on my twitch stream he is able to evade the attacks by the mobs in area and was damn near death and still able to escape and come back and get node also was flagged for pvp i have submitted ticket on this bot i know it takes time i seen same thing in ffxiv arr these bots are bad for game economy that's a fact but to think carbine is the only company plagued by them is way off base hell blizzard has done nothing about the mining bots but will go after the pvp bot software company's.
 
 
i wont give this bot's name i find it funny what name they used, also he has been doing this for well over 3 hours now consistently.
 
I have also come to the conclusion the gold-farmers are trying to ruin the credd system so they can do business by having so many bots farming this early on in the start of game it's a message and i for one think it's time the virtual currency sellers aka gold-farmers be banned from using all banks atm credit cards and any electronic transactions i would like to see Paypal stop allowing them to use there service this is what happens with online casinos the banks got tired of abuse and it's just a matter of time when this will be the same issue i hope it happens soon blacklisting of gold vc sellers
 
Once again i have never seen this much gathering bot activity in any game this early on.	
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Just a quick update on this thread:
 
We've been banning daily since this post started; rolling up several RMT rings in the process.  They come back fast, but this helps.
 
The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been tuning our autodetection and watch lists up - trying not to catch too many dolphins in the net, though, as it were.
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
Things vary a lot zone to zone and server to server as well - some are pretty clear of 'em and some suck.
 
There's a variety of different things in the works as well but we of course can't talk a lot of details as one doesn't want to help the scripters.  But we get that it's an issue (for us and the other popular games in the biz right now).	
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Just a quick update on this thread:
 
We've been banning daily since this post started; rolling up several RMT rings in the process.  They come back fast, but this helps.
 
The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been tuning our autodetection and watch lists up - trying not to catch too many dolphins in the net, though, as it were.
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
Things vary a lot zone to zone and server to server as well - some are pretty clear of 'em and some suck.
 
There's a variety of different things in the works as well but we of course can't talk a lot of details as one doesn't want to help the scripters.  But we get that it's an issue (for us and the other popular games in the biz right now).
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Just a quick update on this thread:
 
We've been banning daily since this post started; rolling up several RMT rings in the process.  They come back fast, but this helps.
 
The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been tuning our autodetection and watch lists up - trying not to catch too many dolphins in the net, though, as it were.
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
Things vary a lot zone to zone and server to server as well - some are pretty clear of 'em and some suck.
 
There's a variety of different things in the works as well but we of course can't talk a lot of details as one doesn't want to help the scripters.  But we get that it's an issue (for us and the other popular games in the biz right now).
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			Something that you could do is put a level limit on Grimvault. This wouldn't prevent them from farming, but it would mean a seriously heavy consequence when they are caught/banned because it would take them a MUCH longer time to get another bot up and running. There is absolutely no reason for a character that is level 11-12 to be in grim vault, so why not put a level limit on the higher level areas. I'm aware that they would still farm the ore/plants in Olyssia/Alizar, but that wouldn't tank the economy as hard. That atleast something that would help a little bit.	
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Just a quick update on this thread:
 
We've been banning daily since this post started; rolling up several RMT rings in the process.  They come back fast, but this helps.
 
The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been tuning our autodetection and watch lists up - trying not to catch too many dolphins in the net, though, as it were.
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
Things vary a lot zone to zone and server to server as well - some are pretty clear of 'em and some suck.
 
There's a variety of different things in the works as well but we of course can't talk a lot of details as one doesn't want to help the scripters.  But we get that it's an issue (for us and the other popular games in the biz right now).
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Just a quick update on this thread:
 
We've been banning daily since this post started; rolling up several RMT rings in the process.  They come back fast, but this helps.
 
The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been tuning our autodetection and watch lists up - trying not to catch too many dolphins in the net, though, as it were.
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
Things vary a lot zone to zone and server to server as well - some are pretty clear of 'em and some suck.
 
There's a variety of different things in the works as well but we of course can't talk a lot of details as one doesn't want to help the scripters.  But we get that it's an issue (for us and the other popular games in the biz right now).
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			Lemme just make this perfectly clear, for the devs that don't understand it. No one cares about content, dungeons, raids, pvp, or ANYTHING, if it is made impossible to do because of hacks, and bots. This should be your TOP PRIORITY to fix. This is DIRECTLY effecting EVERY other aspect of the game (yes, including raids and leveling) I dont care about ANYTHING new until you fix the biggest issue this game is facing. It will be the SOLE reason this game fails if you don't get a lock on it now. 	
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Just a quick update on this thread:
 
We've been banning daily since this post started; rolling up several RMT rings in the process.  They come back fast, but this helps.
 
The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been tuning our autodetection and watch lists up - trying not to catch too many dolphins in the net, though, as it were.
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
Things vary a lot zone to zone and server to server as well - some are pretty clear of 'em and some suck.
 
There's a variety of different things in the works as well but we of course can't talk a lot of details as one doesn't want to help the scripters.  But we get that it's an issue (for us and the other popular games in the biz right now).
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			right click reporting.. is this supposed to be on their name after we target them? because the big problem is that they appear and disappear almost instantly and u only catch their name usually if u screen shot or are recording.  Having an option after pressing esc would be better.	
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There is no way to even catch a name to report.  They fly by soo quick, the first thing i see is the mining beam, then bam!  They are gone really quick.  Something needs to change.  
 
I was REALLY enjoying crafting and mining until I hit Wilderrun.  Now it is down right not fun to play.  
 
Please figure out something soon guys.  Decoy nodes that give only junk and don't despawn where the only difference is visual.  Let the bots hang on those for a while (if that would even work).  
 
First time since launch i have logged out of frustration, not wanting to play.  	
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			This is completely rediculous. My wife got locked out of her account as well and she has had a ticket in place for 3 days going on 4 and most people that have been affected by this have had a ticket in place even longer.  We have the 2-step login because we both have had problems in previous MMOs were our accounts were hacked so we take whatever precautions nessesary to prevent something like this from happening. I appreciate what Carbine is doing to get rid of the botters, hackers, scripters but as it stands if my wife cant play then neither am I. Carbine for the love of all that is holy avoid banning innocents in the future or figure out a better method to lay waste with the ban hammer on those that deserve it. Ticket # 502766	
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			This "Situation" is so *cupcake*ing stupid it is actually painful to see such a large company no understand that a simple fix is all that is required.PUT A *cupcake*ING LEVEL REQUIREMENT ON THE GATHERING TRADESKILLS!There is no reason a level 10 should have the ability to max out a gathering tradeskill, nope, never.This would cut the problem in half almost immediately.It's infuriating seeing the economy being completely ruined because even when you report bots they are still there a week later teleporting more than a fight scene in Dragonball Z.Seriously, 1 GM a single person could ban almost all the bots from a server in less than an hour.Yes we understand that software detection is a thing and that you need to understand how the bots work and how the hacks work, the fact of the matter is a quick google search gives you a list of supposedly working programs to reproduce these cheats, some of the morons even post their source code so you can just scan through and see how they are ruining your game.For such a destructive wide spread issue the lack of noticable work being done is extremely worrying.P.S - Further googling shows that it is actually CHEAPER to use RMT than to buy CREDD and sell it in game.	
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We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
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When will you guys just require people to use 2-factor auth? :P (Not completely serious.)
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Just a quick update on this thread:
 
We've been banning daily since this post started; rolling up several RMT rings in the process.  They come back fast, but this helps.
 
The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been tuning our autodetection and watch lists up - trying not to catch too many dolphins in the net, though, as it were.
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
Things vary a lot zone to zone and server to server as well - some are pretty clear of 'em and some suck.
 
There's a variety of different things in the works as well but we of course can't talk a lot of details as one doesn't want to help the scripters.  But we get that it's an issue (for us and the other popular games in the biz right now).
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You shouldn't be remotely serious. There is a series of flaws in their code or none of this would be possible. Making people take extra steps because of it is ridiculous, let's face it, a 60% margin of people getting hacked are not taking steps that would prevent any account from being hacked.
 
I have decided I am not going to report anymore. The attempt of "right click reporting" when you don't have even the time to do that with these bots shows all they care about is their new content.
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It's not Wildstar's flaw if users use easy-to-guess passwords, compromised e-mail accounts, and other poor security practices. A lot of what I hear on here are people who chose NOT to use 2-factor auth.
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The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
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Right-click reporting will be utterly useless. You can't see them long enough to right click them. Do you even have a frigging idea of what is going on in your game?
 
 
As for the compromised accounts. BAN THEM!  If the dumbasses aren't smart enough to properly protect their accounts they don't need to be playing an MMO in the first place. Your are punishing those of us that took the time and effort to protect our accounts in this game and many others. I've played online games since the early 90's and have never been hacked. So I really don't care about those compromised accounts or the players of them. They weren't smart enough, or just too damn lazy, to protect their accounts, it's their lose. So BAN THEM!
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Right-click reporting will be utterly useless. You can't see them long enough to right click them. Do you even have a frigging idea of what is going on in your game?
 
 
As for the compromised accounts. BAN THEM!  If the dumbasses aren't smart enough to properly protect their accounts they don't need to be playing an MMO in the first place. Your are punishing those of us that took the time and effort to protect our accounts in this game and many others. I've played online games since the early 90's and have never been hacked. So I really don't care about those compromised accounts or the players of them. They weren't smart enough, or just too damn lazy, to protect their accounts, it's their lose. So BAN THEM!
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Since this is the official thread I will chime in. I just unsubbed because this is taking the fun out of the game for me. I'm not going to pay money to get upset. I wouldnt even care if gold farmers were farming like this if they had to actually compete with me in a fair manner. I can not compete with hax. I get frustrated when I play instead of having fun. Games are supposed to be fun. My 30 days runs out on July 4th. I doubt this will be fixed by then. At that time I will likely go check out one of the dozens of free to play mmos that are available.
There goes my .2 cents into the cacophony, and no one cares, but I'm taking my money with me...some business people might care about my money.
 
I pay money, you provide a service. You fail to provide expected results, I stop paying.	
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However, there is a flaw, which if the code is anything like the code of the days of the Feralas Egg Quest incident in WoW, or the Dire Maul teleport hack in WoW (I only mention these because of the background of the devs, I am NOT pointing fingers, toes or anything other appendage), this flaw/s exist...period.
 
There are stop gap measures they could do, reducing vendoring prices of materials, people stationed in high level zones at holocrypts(as someone else suggested), GM's. 
 
People seem to think (or claim) these people are helping our farming mat price for the AH and CX, but it isn't when they are vendoring. Force them to use the CX or AH and leave an audit trail...
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The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
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Why not prevent these people from getting to that point in the first place? If they don't protect their accounts, they don't get service.
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I don't think the botting in itself is the core principle in the case of requiring the use of an authenticator. In this case, it's to prevent compromises, as part of what is slowing down CSR response time is literally the investigation part. Teleporting exploits aside (I still believe all movement should be extremely server-authenticated, but alas it isn't like APB was), the goal was to reduce the number of compromised accounts with that suggestion.
 
 
Why not prevent these people from getting to that point in the first place? If they don't protect their accounts, they don't get service.
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If you have 2 step authentication as a requirement, you observe to the universe you can't handle your own login.
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CRB_Gaffer "majority are compromised accounts".
 
You know when ..well just name ONE. When Steam can send me an email asking "did you just sign in from Taiwan?" And I live in USA. Other games mmos do this..cant you? So that compromised account that signed in from the players IP.. thats the same IP.. banned.
 
To say "compromised accounts" .. ever notice this happens so much when BOTS gold sellers are in question. They ban you..you send in your ticket "oh what happen? I can't play? Someone must have hacked my account".
 
Yeah I understand that its hard to guess how is really hacked and not. Yet as you can see "majority" are bots just crying saying there account got hacked.
 
I cant help with reporting.. I did it I wont stand there and wait, take screen shot super fast.. open pic..write name down.
 
Fix it so when someone logs in you got the IP. Not the best idea but.. cant hurt.
 
Guys stable server or not.. BOTS are STEALING from you. People are LEAVING. IN the end you will have a stable server AWESOME..yet who wants to play with bots.
 
FIX your customer service! MAN how this got by I dont know. Again why to people keep buying from some company? SEARCH! This is no different. Bad bugs, bots .. yet CUSTOMER SERVICE is AWESOME.. those that would leave will stay.
 
yet go for it.. keep doing things your way and like the guy a few posts up that quit.. many many more will follow.
 
IP CHECK
 
EDIT: How I can forget I can have my one ORE and what not at my house! AWESOME! So for me... this for now will keep me in the game. I can do this with my other toons and not have to worry for the most part about bots till they get a handle on it.	
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The fact remains, I don't believe that these people that are teleport botting(hardcore) are even a decent chunk of people, that are "compromised accounts". Guest passes being handed out like candy on social media anyone? This is tied to your account(like it or not)...you are handing them keys. People are being banned? Hello? Correlation?
 
If you have 2 step authentication as a requirement, you observe to the universe you can't handle your own login. Not to me, but as a person coming into the game. "We require you to login with a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h requirements".  Have fun?
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Just a quick update on this thread:
 
We've been banning daily since this post started; rolling up several RMT rings in the process.  They come back fast, but this helps.
 
The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been tuning our autodetection and watch lists up - trying not to catch too many dolphins in the net, though, as it were.
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
Things vary a lot zone to zone and server to server as well - some are pretty clear of 'em and some suck.
 
There's a variety of different things in the works as well but we of course can't talk a lot of details as one doesn't want to help the scripters.  But we get that it's an issue (for us and the other popular games in the biz right now).
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You shouldn't be remotely serious. There is a series of flaws in their code or none of this would be possible. Making people take extra steps because of it is ridiculous, let's face it, a 60% margin of people getting hacked are not taking steps that would prevent any account from being hacked.
 
I have decided I am not going to report anymore. The attempt of "right click reporting" when you don't have even the time to do that with these bots shows all they care about is their new content.
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That last dev post was pretty disheartening to anyone that loves this game. Adding an option to right click report when they move to fast to do. Not to mention if they are underground, you won't see them at all. Also relying on the player base to be bot police is pretty silly. The majority of them being compromised accounts is also a bunch of nonsense. Ones that are higher level are most likely compromised but 80% of the ones I see are level 10-15. Meaning they are either bought legit or fraudulently and leveled to at least 10 for use.
 
If there is not going to be automatic teleport detection that bans them right away. Then other changes such as gathering tier level and character level need to be linked together. As well as lowering the amount you get vendoring stuff. This would slow them down greatly and help keep it under control.	
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Since this is the official thread I will chime in. I just unsubbed because this is taking the fun out of the game for me. I'm not going to pay money to get upset. I wouldnt even care if gold farmers were farming like this if they had to actually compete with me in a fair manner. I can not compete with hax. I get frustrated when I play instead of having fun. Games are supposed to be fun. My 30 days runs out on July 4th. I doubt this will be fixed by then. At that time I will likely go check out one of the dozens of free to play mmos that are available.
There goes my .2 cents into the cacophony, and no one cares, but I'm taking my money with me...some business people might care about my money.
 
I pay money, you provide a service. You fail to provide expected results, I stop paying.
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I'm on this line as well.
 
When I sat down to log in tonight, I changed my mind immediately.  I wanted to play the game, but I know that I would just end up frustrated and upset with the game.  Even if I was just questing, it would still tick me off to see the jerks flying through the air from node to node.  I would see it, and be reminded of the fact that Carbine is allowing this to run rampant.
 
When they got into the one and only Wurm Tunnel that I'd found, and harvested the entire thing out from under me... it was extremely annoying.  I decided to stop playing at that point, until they fix the game.
 
If that fix isn't in place by the time my subscription is up, what is the point in paying further?
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Also take into account weak passwords, keyloggers, and the massive amounts of security breaches lately at major online e-tailers that leaked a metric crapton of login information. It's not unreasonable to think that some people are still using the same old login information. Also, there's plenty of time to right click and add them, hell just leave the node for them, they can't insta-farm it, it still takes time to break down and steal.
 
 
See above. Or just remember their name long enough to add to your rivals list, works quite well
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The fact remains, I don't believe that these people that are teleport botting(hardcore) are even a decent chunk of people, that are "compromised accounts". Guest passes being handed out like candy on social media anyone? This is tied to your account(like it or not)...you are handing them keys. People are being banned? Hello? Correlation?
 
If you have 2 step authentication as a requirement, you observe to the universe you can't handle your own login. Not to me, but as a person coming into the game. "We require you to login with a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h requirements".  Have fun?
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			Yeah, given the situation I simply can't understand how 2 step authentication is not already required to gain access to the game. It's mind-boggling really. I mean it would be one thing if you could only use a smart phone since there are actually people who don't have one but since this authentication can also be used on the same computer you use to play the game I don't see the problem. In my honest opinion, allowing this to continue will do Wildstar and Carbine much, much more harm than anything that could come from making it so that the game can't be accessed without the use of 2 step authentication.	
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Except it doesn't work 100% of the time. I've had bots with no name plates pop up, several I couldn't click on even though it was clearly mining/harvesting, and etc... That's not to mention the ones that litterally just pop out of nowhere only to pop away and the bots that are mining  the node you're at from 50+ meters away. 
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i noticed it first time last night .... 
 
I played in Galeras and noticed a mining node, as i was getting close to it - BOOM - super duper hero poped out of the sky harvested it right before me. Then BOOM he is gone. I was not smoking anything so i was like WTF ?? then BOOM another one of those heroes comes thru but as there is no mining node, BOOM he is gone. Black Magic I tell you !!!!!!!!!!!
 
Now i know what Carabine means that this game is for Hardcore players  ;) to be able to level your crafting skill without using home excavation kits, you need to be so hardcore to be faster then light  :ph34r:
 
Don't get me wrong. I know that they hate it as much as we do. I know this might not be as easy to fix as we all think it is. Limiting zones to a level restrictions will help higher level zones but hacked accounts will allow botters to get those as well.
 
BUT - I don't care that much about July Drop - it can even bet September drop. I would rather play the game with no super hero flying/teleporting bots then look out for a massive world boss to tackle while bots are laughing at me trying to raise my weapon-smith. Unless they put that boss on a mining node and it will insta kill them.	
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well, im going to add my 2 cents on a temporary fix, this involves creed,
 
C.R.E.E.D currently sells for about 3 platinum on my server, this translates to about $5 per platinum if buying cred to sell on the brokerage, because $15/3p=$5 with me so far?
 
Because the company is effectively selling gold in this respect, you are presented with a unique opportunity, imagine this, wildstar employees begin buying up the lowest priced creed on the market, raising the amount of platinum that each creed sells for, say the new price is 5 platinum per creed, the price that the devs are selling gold for lowers, $15/5=3, so instead of $5 per platinum, you are spending $3 per platinum, still following me?
 
Here comes the point, the gold sellers are, as they are named, selling gold, at about $2 per platinum from most of the advertisements i have been forced to suffer through, if the devs raised the platinum worth of creed to be about 7.5 plat, buying creed would be equal to buying from gold dealerships, however, buying creed is supported by the community and the staff of the game, so it gains an advantage, meaning that people will stop buying from gold sellers and start buying creed.
 
Now, doing this will make the gold sellers sell for less, which lowers their profit margin, all that needs to be done is to lower the amount of profit made by the gold sellers enough, and they will start to lose money on the maintenance and personnel costs of running websites, as well as acquiring accounts and supervising the farming, and that solves the gold farming problem right there, just use the company's ability to sell gold competitively to its fullest and you could completely eliminate the gold sellers in theory, just like wal-mart closing down a smaller store.
 
Not that i think this is a good idea in the long run, and it is fairly easy to see how ways around it could be found, however, until things are put together so that gold sellers can not use hacks that break the game, and they are forced to make gold in a somewhat more legitimate fashion, it could work as a stopgap measure.
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Good job carbine, here at EU Ravenous it feels cleared out.Rarely I see any bots/hackers anymore, I know that alot of people are using/ticket and report them and they are gone kinda in a short notice. Really awesome guys!
*hands over a goldenstar*  :D	
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Kill them with fire.....
Kill them before they lay eggs!	
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So I just made a thread about this in general before realizing there was a main one here, so I'll just repost my plea here:
 
First I have to say that I really like this game, I enjoy all aspects of it from the questing to pvp, to dungeons and crafting.
 
However, over the last couple of days the amount of botters in zones have become ridiculous. This is the third day in a row where I'm unable to efficiently gather ore for crafting weapons for my friends and the daily quests because all the nodes are stolen by the teleporting botters, just now I was in algoroc to get some iron for the tech tree and there were at least three botters competing with eachother. I just can't compete with automated characters jumping instantly from one node to the other without even having to travel from node to node. I haven't really gotten to start any serious PvP-ing other that a bit of world PvP, but I'm hearing there's a problem with them in BGs too, and I'm dreading the fact that this might become the norm, that we just have to accept that there are 1-2 botters in every BG, and a couple stealing all the nodes in zones so you're forced to rely on the slow spawn of nodes at your house. And I'm worried about the impact they have on the economy in-game, as that's an entirely own aspect of the game which alot of people enjoy spending hours on.
 
Carbine, I'm sure you know of the problem and are working on it. But please, maybe add another security measure for them like actual GMs in-game that can ban them. It's frustrating to find botters, but it's even more so to find the SAME botter that was working the zone 2 days ago still going at it, even after myself and many other people in the zone chat reported him multiple times.
 
For reference I'm on the Ravenous - EU server	
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			also, check the logs and ban accounts that traded with bot or had emails sent with ore from one account to another :D	
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Today running around with started fraps.
Btw reported him already, before he was caught by fraps.
Carbine are you serious?	
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Crowdsourcing is wonderful.
 
Why not take advantage of it?
 
Let some of us help.
 
In the vein of the game's theme, start hiring deputies. Players who wouldn't mind pinning on the star and rounding up some of the baddies.
 
How about: An account entitlement for deputies that can kick and apply 15min lockout? Deputy sees a botter? Right-click Kick and Lockout (Hoosegow!). Each deputy can have a limit of "x" in the Hoosegow and when a ban lapses, their allowed count increments back. Locked out players get an email telling them that "X" deputy banned them for observed EULA violation.
 
Weekly/Monthly review of Deputies to ensure that no complaints/abuse is happening. Accounts continually getting Hoosegowed (and esp those arrested by more than one deputy irrespective of region) should be put onto the Perma-BAN consideration list. Then disputes can get handled by account services for more detailed review.
 
Good deputies get promoted to Sheriff/Marshall/Judge and get their lockout #'s increased along with lockout duration times.
 
Incentives:
 
Deputies/Sheriff/Marshall/Judge get movement perks (unique mounts?)
Deputies/Sheriff/Marshall/Judge get Costume perks
Deputies/Sheriff/Marshall/Judge get Forum/Game badges
Deputies/Sheriff/Marshall/Judge get Gear perks?
 
Vetting new peace officers would be important. I am sure that you have a cadre of pre-vetted parties on the various servers already. I for one am already a CISSP/CISA and adhere to a professional code of conduct. I am sure there are other like me who wouldn't mind providing some assistance in this. I for one would get an immense sense of satisfaction in "righting a wrong".
 
I have a bunch of other ideas on this subject but don't want to go too deep into TL;DR territory.
 
Thoughts folks?
 
 
 	
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Good job carbine, here at EU Ravenous it feels cleared out.
Rarely I see any bots/hackers anymore, I know that alot of people are using
/ticket and report them and they are gone kinda in a short notice. Really awesome guys!
*hands over a goldenstar*  :D
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Today running around with started fraps.
Btw reported him already, before he was caught by fraps.
Carbine are you serious?
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			Because the bots farms all, I had to farmear mobs to get money but now carbine nerfed the money drop,..	
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Wow a lvl 50 bot, never seen that before. 
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			I don't think the 2-step is fool proof either	
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Well Tinoxx they can get around the 2 step so that's not fool proof either
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Just a quick update on this thread:
 
We've been banning daily since this post started; rolling up several RMT rings in the process.  They come back fast, but this helps.
 
The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been tuning our autodetection and watch lists up - trying not to catch too many dolphins in the net, though, as it were.
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
Things vary a lot zone to zone and server to server as well - some are pretty clear of 'em and some suck.
 
There's a variety of different things in the works as well but we of course can't talk a lot of details as one doesn't want to help the scripters.  But we get that it's an issue (for us and the other popular games in the biz right now).
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I was really getting into the story in Wilderrun, until something broke my immersion.
 
 
What was it?
 
 
Flying *cupcake* Warpers zooming around me.	
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			So like, when do the bots get banned?  Because I've been seeing the same guys for over a week.  Should I report again?	
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We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
 
 
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I been looking at this 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION and it's good I guess, but I have a very simple mobilphone, no internet, no camera.. not lots of fuss and shite that I have no use of, only sending text and call on it.
 
So I can't install an app for authentication.. Have you thought about that, not everyone has a mobil phone either :o  Yes it's true, I didn't  have one for last 4 years, have no use of one. But got one 2 months ago so husband can send text when he travel for work.
What about us ?? what kind of authentication can you offer us?.. none, so we are un-protected and have to sneak around being careful :ph34r:
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			the two step authentication is slightly annoying but its there to prevent problems.  dont force it onto players who like to quest solo.. but prevent crafting, pve and dungeons etc from being available if youre not authenticated.	
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the two step authentication is slightly annoying but its there to prevent problems.  dont force it onto players who like to quest solo.. but prevent crafting, pve and dungeons etc from being available if youre not authenticated.
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Can't agree to that, for me that is just silly, still it's your opinion and respect that
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Just a quick update on this thread:
 
We've been banning daily since this post started; rolling up several RMT rings in the process.  They come back fast, but this helps.
 
The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been tuning our autodetection and watch lists up - trying not to catch too many dolphins in the net, though, as it were.
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
Things vary a lot zone to zone and server to server as well - some are pretty clear of 'em and some suck.
 
There's a variety of different things in the works as well but we of course can't talk a lot of details as one doesn't want to help the scripters.  But we get that it's an issue (for us and the other popular games in the biz right now).
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I've seen bot farmers in several games, but I must say this is by far the most I've ever seen, anywhere. 
 
I've reported (just counting the responses to tickets in my mailbox) 14 bots myself in the last 10 days and unfortunately, I still have every single one I've reported on my rival list and still see the very first bot I reported, in the world, still mining away.
 
The problem recently is many of them have evolved and are now either way up in the air, or, inside solid objects so we can't really see them as players. I took the taxi in Grimvault out to final stand, and on the way, saw a level 10, hovering at least 40 meters up in the air, he was actually a bit higher than the taxi flight path! From there, he was mining nodes below us. You could see the mining laser flying out. Unless someone was in the taxi, at the exact place he was, it's extremely likely no one would have ever seen him and the only effect would be an area devoid of nodes.
 
We appreciate all that you guys do and I bet it's hard seeing something you built being dragged through the mud and sewage by not only the farmers but sometimes by us (the player-base) in our rage against them. It's a tough line to walk, the rush to ban the farmers and avoiding actual players (compromised or not) and then facing the backlash from that. 
 
I enjoy Wildstar, I like the activities, it's a refreshing game.  I don't like the bots, i detest the little *cupcakes*, but I have faith in you Carbine folks to burn them to the ground. 
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Just a quick update on this thread:
 
We've been banning daily since this post started; rolling up several RMT rings in the process.  They come back fast, but this helps.
 
The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
 
We've been tuning our autodetection and watch lists up - trying not to catch too many dolphins in the net, though, as it were.
 
We've been prioritizing this for GMs as well - an issue is that the vast majority of the botters/etc. are compromised accounts, which takes longer to confirm/restore (PLEASE USE 2-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION).
 
Things vary a lot zone to zone and server to server as well - some are pretty clear of 'em and some suck.
 
There's a variety of different things in the works as well but we of course can't talk a lot of details as one doesn't want to help the scripters.  But we get that it's an issue (for us and the other popular games in the biz right now).
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Are you serious?  How are you supposed to report players that teleport at the blink of an eye most of the time?  
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEAAtDlTAnc&list=UUq08ZKYwb5iSOx083G_bXFw
 
yup. really annoying	
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Are you serious?  How are you supposed to report players that teleport at the blink of an eye most of the time?  Hell some of them appear underground.  The only time I've ever been able to report any is if they stick around for longer than a second.  In which case I take a screenshot and grab their name that way.  I can't even check the combat log and aside from using an addon that checks my proximity of players there really isn't an immediate way to report these botters.  Adding a right-click option will solve nothing aside from getting rid of chat spammers.  These botters just move way to fast for the average person to spend any extra time to report.
 
Why is there no position checking on the server?  Really I mean common, how hard is it to check if a player has moved from POINT A to POINT B faster than what is possible in the game?  All you would have to do is run this check and then monitor their action.  If they move too quickly and are mining nodes or harvest trees then you have a general idea it's a botter.  Check that a few times and when they've done it enough then freaking ban them.  It's not rocket science...
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I hate to bring it to you.... but all those "compromised accounts".... they all just lying.
there may be some people who are dumb or just unlucky and get hacked.
but i bet the majority is just lying. all the bots i reported are still running,
even though i got for every report an email telling me someone is going to take care of it.
are you now lying to us too?
i feel used.  :(	
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			Orais Server... Wildrun.. full zone clear... was only able to mine 4 nodes total.. yep that's it.. only 4... hours of playing.. 4 nodes that bots didn't beat me to....there are that many bots warping around.  /sigh	
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I hate to bring it to you.... but all those "compromised accounts".... they all just lying.
there may be some people who are dumb or just unlucky and get hacked.
but i bet the majority is just lying. all the bots i reported are still running,
even though i got for every report an email telling me someone is going to take care of it.
are you now lying to us too?
i feel used.  :(
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			Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but at least for now why not try putting minimum level requirements on zones?  I hit 50 relatively early and didn't understand all the fuss about bots because I was mostly in CB.  My understanding is that you have to be level 49 to zone into CB, and so the level 10-14 bots simply aren't there.  Why not put in minimum level requirements for Grimvault, Wilderrun, Farside, etc.?  This might keep the bots out of those zones, and at least will make it more expensive on the gold farms as they'll have to level up before getting to them.  I understand this will hurt people who like seeing if they can get a low level character into a high level zone, but I think that portion of the player base is much small than the portion that hates bots.	
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I'd think they were very easy to catch.
 
1) To avoid too larger server overhead, sample player behavior intermittently. Watching a bot for 30 seconds is enough to catch them.
2) When being watched, just log time and coordinates of nodes gathered. If distance/time > max player speed, add to close watch list.
3) On close watch list, log activity more precisely until irrefutable proof of teleport botting is gathered (there are ways to be summoned, use transmats, dying, etc. that can move you large distances). It still shouldn't take more than a few minutes.
4) Perma-ban.	
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but at least for now why not try putting minimum level requirements on zones?  I hit 50 relatively early and didn't understand all the fuss about bots because I was mostly in CB.  My understanding is that you have to be level 49 to zone into CB, and so the level 10-14 bots simply aren't there.  Why not put in minimum level requirements for Grimvault, Wilderrun, Farside, etc.?  This might keep the bots out of those zones, and at least will make it more expensive on the gold farms as they'll have to level up before getting to them.  I understand this will hurt people who like seeing if they can get a low level character into a high level zone, but I think that portion of the player base is much small than the portion that hates bots.
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I'd think they were very easy to catch.
 
1) To avoid too larger server overhead, sample player behavior intermittently. Watching a bot for 30 seconds is enough to catch them.
2) When being watched, just log time and coordinates of nodes gathered. If distance/time > max player speed, add to close watch list.
3) On close watch list, log activity more precisely until irrefutable proof of teleport botting is gathered (there are ways to be summoned, use transmats, dying, etc. that can move you large distances). It still shouldn't take more than a few minutes.
4) Perma-ban.
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			Because an hour of programming and some QA testing on top would cost way, way less and fix the problem for good without any running costs aside from a few extra clock cycles on the servers?	
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Utilize your client base and get a white hat community team...
Other games have done this and it helps a ton.	
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I will quit this game in the next week if nothing drastic is done. This is absurd. BAN EVERYONE suspected of botting, if they were not botting take them on a case by case basis.
 
Edit: is there not a way to scan every single computer logging in via the client? seems straight forward to me, but hell what do i know.	
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Because an hour of programming and some QA testing on top would cost way, way less and fix the problem for good without any running costs aside from a few extra clock cycles on the servers?
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June 24 2012
morning hours
Galeras map
Thunderfoot server
mining bots everywhere just like yesterday, gonna pass up on mining this morning hoping the bot activity dies down will try again later today	
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Bots have ruined the game for me and my wife. We like to farm for our own resources to save gold. We can not harvest in zones at all. Not even a lil bit. Just another voice in the crowd here, PLEASE FIX THIS PROBLEM.
 
Thanks!	
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June 24 2012
morning hours
Galeras map
Thunderfoot server
mining bots everywhere just like yesterday, gonna pass up on mining this morning hoping the bot activity dies down will try again later today
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			Hey if you want to play a game where you battle batshit crazy bots, play WIldstar.  Its *cupcake*ing full of them and they can teleport too!	
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Honestly, i think we need some straight answers from the devs at Carbine BEFORE we all pay for another month of this game.
 
Things like:
 
"When you say you banned thousands of accounts the other day, roughly how many accounts is that? 5k? 10k? 50k? Cause, to me, thousands sounds a LOT more like 5k, where as tens of thousands sounds more like 50k. And if they only banned <10k accounts...well, that's like 250-500 accounts per server. That's *cupcake*ing nothing. That's a drop in the ocean. That wouldn't make a perceptible difference to even a single player. And if it's not <10k accounts, if it's more than that, why were they not more clear?"
 
"Are you planning on taking DRASTIC measures to reduce the bot population, or are you just planning more bans and better log reading? We don't need specifics, but your current plan of action seems like a plan of inaction."
 
"What are your thoughts on mandating 2-step? Why hasn't this been implemented?"
 
"What is your companies rationale for not including right-click-report in the game at launch? How could you possibly think that wasn't an important feature?"
 
"What are your plans to restore the absolutely, completely broken economy?"
 
I am sure there other good questions that need to be asked, but I am REALLY glad I secured myself a CREDD for next month, because there is no way in hell I'd be paying for a month's sub with the game in the current state it's in.	
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Well, judging by what I've seen in other MMOs, you can't win the fight against bots/professional farmers unless you make absolutely sure it's not PROFITABLE to use them and their services. 
I mean, you can perform ban waves all you want - you'll be spitting against the wind if in between those ban waves any given bot/farmer account can cover the game purchase cost and make some profit on top. 
How exactly Carbine decides to solve this one is up to them, but clearly, something must be done. And fast. 	
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			Bots are farming all zones but I've probably seen the most in Wilderrun so far.  Multiple bots popping up at teh same nodes all day long.  You also see them zoom across your screen at breakneck speeds.  I rage quit other games for bot infestations all up in my face....if this continues like this this, this game will become fodder too.	
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Bots are farming all zones but I've probably seen the most in Wilderrun so far.  Multiple bots popping up at teh same nodes all day long.  You also see them zoom across your screen at breakneck speeds.  I rage quit other games for bot infestations all up in my face....if this continues like this this, this game will become fodder too.
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			I can't speak for anyone else, but the 3-4 bots I had seen and reported in Algoroc on Evindra the past few days were NOT present last night; I was able to gather without interference. I haven't checked yet today.	
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Ok so since the first wave of bans one of my friends has been locked out and is getting no response from support - this is 6 going on 7 days in now.  Regardless of already having a ticket history with CS since launch where he had to disable his two step auth because it bugged.  I also had another friend actually get Hacked, he was perma-banned and had since got his account back awaiting item restoration, but now has just been randomly permabanned again even though he now has two step auth re-added.
 
The most frustrating part of all this is the silence from support.  Do you guys have EU offices running?  I'm not sure how long I can keep their interest in the game when the official support is doing *seemingly* jack all to help them and we're not even talking about reparations for lost paid time, hell they don't even get "your ticket is in a Q".  	
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			This whole teleporting bot thing is really cracking me up, you have to admit it's funny. I haven't gone to farm any nodes since this started and if you guys want to be interested in this game for more than another week I suggest you do the same. I am leveling an alt, doing battlegrounds/arenas daily, and a few adventures when my buddies are on. I'm not saying this isn't a problem, it is but these forums are killing this game and any new player that comes to join wildstar will think twice after they read ANY thread on the front page.	
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"What are your thoughts on mandating 2-step? Why hasn't this been implemented?"
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This whole teleporting bot thing is really cracking me up, you have to admit it's funny. I haven't gone to farm any nodes since this started and if you guys want to be interested in this game for more than another week I suggest you do the same. I am leveling an alt, doing battlegrounds/arenas daily, and a few adventures when my buddies are on. I'm not saying this isn't a problem, it is but these forums are killing this game and any new player that comes to join wildstar will think twice after they read ANY thread on the front page.
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The issue I see with making 2 step mandatory are all of those people that don't know it exists. If one of these people is compromised, the people in control of their account could potentially add the authenticator to their account before they ever get a chance.
 
Carbine needs to send out a mass email to their entire subscriber base letting them know that the authenticator service is available with links on how to set it up. Then go ahead and make it mandatory. Why it isn't mandatory in this day and age of MMOs; I don't understand.	
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That would be a reason to cancel the subscription instant, I dislike 2 step auths, its already annoying on the forums with dynamic ip need to authenicate every day because the ip changed (they really should check the location of the ip and not for the exact same ip)
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The issue I see with making 2 step mandatory are all of those people that don't know it exists. If one of these people is compromised, the people in control of their account could potentially add the authenticator to their account before they ever get a chance.
 
Carbine needs to send out a mass email to their entire subscriber base letting them know that the authenticator service is available with links on how to set it up. Then go ahead and make it mandatory. Why it isn't mandatory in this day and age of MMOs; I don't understand.
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You are part of the problem. And if you don't 2-step, your chances of getting hacked are REALLY REALLY high. I don't care how tech savvy you think you are. It can and most likely will happen. And when it does, just remember that's it's entirely, 100% your fault because you couldn't be bothered to take an additional 30 seconds to log in. IMO, if you don't want to take the extra 30 seconds to 2-step, you don't need to play. I have absolutely no pity, and I think the game would be better off without players with this sort of mindset.
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That would be a reason to cancel the subscription instant, I dislike 2 step auths, its already annoying on the forums with dynamic ip need to authenicate every day because the ip changed (they really should check the location of the ip and not for the exact same ip)
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Pulling numbers out of your bottomcupcakehole wont help. Keep it real son.
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I do not think that works!!!! 
Report that Bot Jun 21 then again Today.... 	
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			Nicte, man, you need to stop reporting Wildstar botters and start reading your damn mail.	
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your chances of getting hacked are REALLY REALLY high. I don't care how tech savvy you think you are. It can and most likely will happen. And when it does, just remember that's it's entirely, 100% your fault because you couldn't be bothered to take an additional 30 seconds to log in. IMO, if you don't want to take the extra 30 seconds to 2-step, you don't need to play. I have absolutely no pity, and I think the game would be better off without players with this sort of mindset.
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Nicte, man, you need to stop reporting Wildstar botters and start reading your damn mail.
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Look pal, we all hate the bots. We all hate loosing our accounts. But saying your going to be hacked if you dont use 2 step is just ignorant. I agree, it takes lil time. But fear mongering does little to help.  
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i think idea to add a check on mining/positioning would stop all that botting.
 
Botting in other games would involve traveling which was still profitable for botters. But they HAD TO travel from one place to another to harvest. Player had a chance to mine it if bots where not around (not run to it yet).
 
However in Wildstar bots are TELEPORTING making it near instant travel. All you have to do is to use some simple logic.
 
If someone harvests something - did he/she harvest anything in the last 2 minutes. If so check coordinates that player was at and calculate distance traveled. if more then game physics allows to travel within 2 minutes on mount - watch that user and if he does it again with next 10 minutes (gather some resources within 2 minutes on long distance) - BAN.
 
This way if you harvesting your ore/plants in your house you are in one spot not traveling and you are not affected. But if you are teleporting and harvesting - you will get banned/flagged quickly.
 
Also this would only allow botters to stay in one place and wait for nodes to spawn - not so profitable for them anymore and much easier for other players to "right click - report" which is now near impossible.
 
And yes - this botting thing is ruining enjoyment of the game to a lot of players ..........	
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It is not at all ignorant. Since your chances of being hacked WITH 2-step are ridiculously low, saying that your chances of being hacked without 2-step are VASTLY greater than your chances of being hacked WITH 2-step is a very factual statement. And if you actually hate botters, you WILL have 2-step. If you don't mind them, like them, or are them, you won't. It's not fear mongering when it's the truth. 
 
It's REALLY simple. Get 2-step or you're risking your account every time you log in.
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This is all great stuff, and I am glad to hear that you are "rounding up rings of RMT" spammers. However, IMO, what is more damaging to the actual game is the number of bots teleporting to gathering nodes.
 
RMT spammers are just that, spammers. Annoying, but ultimately aren't having immediate effect on the game. The bots, however, are having a much more immediate and significant impact on the current gameplay and economy.
 
For example, in Algeroc, it is almost impossible to get to a mining node before some bot (or group of bots) teleports in and mines it in a fraction of a second. Because they come and go so quickly, there is no opportunity to get their name, no opportunity to "right click and report" - there is virtually nothing that can be done other than submitting a ticket saying "bots are teleporting and mining in Algeroc".
 
Evidently, that is not enough information for CS to do anything with, because there is virtually ZERO active presence in the game itself.
 
So, my question (as with many others) is what is being done to ACTIVELY (not reactively, not slowly gather data to ban RMT accounts - but with active response time) pursue and address the current state of bots? This is the situation that will harm the economy. This is the situation that will drive players away when they can't find nodes to harvest and progress their crafting. THIS is the situation that will cost subs.
 
What you going to do about it - NOW?	
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All of this 2-Step Verification, hacking, and dirty tricks can all be solved with 2 simple things:
 
Bewbs....nuff said. Don't believe me? Ever seen someone hack another person's account with bewbs in their face? I think not! :D
 
Carry on...	
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For the people saying that they should push back the Strain Ultra-drop to focus on this, here's some information.
 
The teams working on the Strain Ultra-Drop are Designers and Developers and Artists, NOT coders/programmers.  They can continue to work on their content updates while the programmers can concentrate on fixing this stuff.
 
I do, however, think that the right click option is utter Rowsdower *cupcake* because, as stated by MANY people, the bots teleport in and out faster than someone can right click them in most cases.  GMs on the scene of a report, watching the nodes for teleporting bots, are the BEST option to show that a) The GMs and Devs ARE listening, and b) they are doing something about it. Then have the GM then say in open zone chat "<Name of Bot> has just been booted and banned for teleporting about and stealing nodes from players."
 
Show us your Customer Service and GMs are doing something and you will start to regain a LOT of goodwill from the players.  Don't just post here.  Prove it to us in the game itself.	
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again , you have no facts to back this up. While I agree with you that the 2step will lower your chances this does not mean that not using it will get you a hack (or in your words REALLY REALLY high)
 
its really simple.
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Another day and the same bots are still there on Pago. Plus a few new ones now. 
 
How are we supposed to take you seriously when you just keep feeding us company lines instead of showing us results?	
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again , you have no facts to back this up. While I agree with you that the 2step will lower your chances this does not mean that not using it will get you a hack (or in your words REALLY REALLY high)
 
its really simple.
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For the people saying that they should push back the Strain Ultra-drop to focus on this, here's some information.
 
The teams working on the Strain Ultra-Drop are Designers and Developers and Artists, NOT coders/programmers.  They can continue to work on their content updates while the programmers can concentrate on fixing this stuff.
 
I do, however, think that the right click option is utter Rowsdower *cupcake* because, as stated by MANY people, the bots teleport in and out faster than someone can right click them in most cases.  GMs on the scene of a report, watching the nodes for teleporting bots, are the BEST option to show that a) The GMs and Devs ARE listening, and B) they are doing something about it. Then have the GM then say in open zone chat "<Name of Bot> has just been booted and banned for teleporting about and stealing nodes from players."
 
Show us your Customer Service and GMs are doing something and you will start to regain a LOT of goodwill from the players.  Don't just post here.  Prove it to us in the game itself.
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Not enough is being done about this.
 
The same bots are in Wilderrun for the 3rd or 4th day now today. The same names have been reported HUNDREDS of times. Theres no excuse for them not having been banned by now.
 
Wildstar is OWNED by the maphackers.
 
Carbine, you're going to have to take it back or just say farewell already.	
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Letting your house look abandoned when you go on vacation isn't sure to get you a visit from a burglar either
 
It's still pretty stupid.
 
Just be safe and get 2-step auth.
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Good. Anyone coming to the forums to learn about the game before purchase should know about all the ridiculous problems this game has. I hope ALL prospective customers come here, read about how crappy various conditions are in this game currently, and decide to, at the very least, wait before buying. 
 
 
 
 
You are part of the problem. And if you don't 2-step, your chances of getting hacked are REALLY REALLY high. I don't care how tech savvy you think you are. It can and most likely will happen. And when it does, just remember that's it's entirely, 100% your fault because you couldn't be bothered to take an additional 30 seconds to log in. IMO, if you don't want to take the extra 30 seconds to 2-step, you don't need to play. I have absolutely no pity, and I think the game would be better off without players with this sort of mindset.
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My other account has been banned since yesterday evening.
When I got back from my nephew's house, I couldn't login, not even on the website.
Created an ticket on this account and mailed also with some payment proofs.
Since this morning I could get to login my account on the website again... so I've created another ticket on the banned account.
Still couldn't enter the game :(
So please help
 
 	Request #526568  
I've paid for a C.R.E.D.D. just yesterday! Jeez.	
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So your argument is that even though 2-step is nearly 100% protection vs hacking, you shouldn't get it cause your chances of being hacked without it are still low? That's ridiculous and moronic. 
 
Did I say not to use it? Reading comprehension for the win.
 
Instead you're saying that we shouldn't try to get people to use 2-step if it involves fear mongering? Poppycock, I say. Use any and all available, legal tactics to get people to better themselves and their communities. 
 
Again, I say use it. I never said don't. 
 
 
No, none of that's correct, says you. What you're really trying to say is there isn't a high chance of you getting hacked either way? Bullshit, I say...count the bots...most of them are hacked accounts. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of hacked accounts. If even half of the accounts hit with the ban wave talked about in this post were hacked (and I think it was WAY more than half), this wave of bans was a drop in the bucket of total botters. And if there are more hacked accounts being botted than other accounts (which it seems pretty obvious there are), than it seems like the majority of botted accounts are hacked accounts and that there are oodles and oodles of hacked accounts.
 
More half numbers pulled out of your butt. You have no facts here. None.
 
Add all the up and I'd say that the difference in the chances of you being hacked WITH a 2-step vs without are orders of magnitude in difference. And I'd be right. 
 
Sure there might be a difference. But saying your going to get hacked (100% or REALLY REALLY high) just because you dont use 2-step is the problem. AKA fear mongering.
We are both on the same side. I just prefer not to spew non fact.
 
 
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again, not saying that 2step is a bad thing. I say use it. All I am saying is that not using it is not an instant hack.
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Addons like SImple Simon should be bannable. Play it as it's meant to be.
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Posts are popping up all over the forums about this. And for good reason. This thread gives a glimmer of hope of a problem that should have been fixed already. The bans proved completely worthless. We need to make our voices heard until they take us seriously and actually take real, legitimate action. 
 
Why is this thread not even stickied? Moderators are redirecting people to this thread acting as if this is somehow helpful. The proof is in the game. Log on and go play in Wilderun or Malgrave. And now reports are coming in about Whitevale and Farside. Good luck trying to get any mining or survivalist nodes, you cant because the bots are running rampant. 
I can't speak for relic nodes but I have read complaints about that as well. 
 
Then on top of all that there is pvp.
 
When this game was launched they say they will move toward what the player base wants. Apparently they have decided we all only care about end game pve content since farming resources, crafting, pvp, being a part of the in game economy are all completely f.u.b.a.r. right now.	
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Not fast enough, not fast enough... T4 Herbs are myths only found in CX (For some reasson, in my server, they leave relics apart... Probably the movement/agressive chances makes them less profiteable as vendor trash)... I had the actual patience to register 9 bots (As rivals... Very usefull to see them "flying around" in the minimap) on Wilderun that have been rampant since 5 days ago (Can't say if they were there before... All of us arrived at WR at that time)...
 
...A few things pop in my mind:
 
- Are bans been done on EU servers at all?
 
- Why I'm always playing on the same instance as them? Up until now was very common that I had to synch to my group of friends when starting a session, on wilderun, 5 days in a row at different times... We always land on the same instance as my 9 new "rivals".	
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Look pal, we all hate the bots. We all hate loosing our accounts. But saying your going to be hacked if you dont use 2 step is just ignorant. I agree, it takes lil time. But fear mongering does little to help.  
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Actually, its not fear mongering its getting to be very close to a guarantee. "fear mongering"?? wow....just...wow
 
I guess "fear mongering" is the reason all serious data-exchange channels in the business world have absolutely mandated 2-factor authentication with things like x.509 programmatic certificates to augment standard SSL certs to secure the channel AND the communication.
 
The reason why the NIST standards and all serious security groups MANDATE 2-factor authentication for compliance where any data that is even remotely P.I (personally identifiable) is involved. Why anyone even remotely, in any way, at all serious about securing anything they care about use it but hey, don't take the rest of the worlds' word for it and console yourself that you didnt give in to the "fear mongering" when it happens to you here or elsewhere.
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Oh, no, I was just playing to my audience. He called it fear mongering. If he wants to call it that, I'm fine with it being called that. 
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Utilize your client base and get a white hat community team...
Other games have done this and it helps a ton.
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Hrm, now they're able to mine from space...
 
http://i.imgur.com/FIZIWei.jpg
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This one bot has been seen for DAYS now in Algoroc harvesting every tree on the map and has been reported by several people multiple times a day and still going strong.
 
I just don't get it.  Ban these *cupcake*ers faster.  If there's not more control over this situation by the end of the free month period then I'm not subbing for damn sure.
 
Hell you can spend 2 minutes Googling WS cheats and find a page with every cheat out there being discussed with videos.	
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IMHO Banning is not the solution. It's a band aid for bleeding that will continue unabated until the patient is given proper attention.
 
The proper attention in this case being software that makes it impossible for the teleport hackers to do what they're doing. If you've been overly open with your code and this is letting it happen, shut it down. If you need to add code to detect this, they go ahead and add it.
 
This is the largest issue with the game right now, and if this doesn't get address, it's your numbers that will be bleeding, not just the patient.	
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Sorry but Carbine has stated that this is fine. Some people just don't like that aspect of the game.
 
 
Anywhos back to the topic at hand. These botters are friggin terrible. They teleport, mine, and disappear faster than I can target them to report them.
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The only way I've been able to report the teleport hacksters is to take a screenshot, and then pull that up to get name, guild, etc. It's not the most streamlined approach, but if you see a node getting hit by one of the bots, chances are that you'll see and be able to SS more while writing the initial  /ticket. On a brighter note, I noticed a definite drop between last weekend and Monday in Malgrave. Not completely gone, but I was able to actually mine (Caretaker NA).
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The chance is really low! If you dont download/click mindless on everything and not entering your account details on not official sites, most "hacks" are done via trojans/scam and trojans usually come with executing files you shouldnt open at all . Sure there is always a chance to be "hacked", but with being a bit carefull that chance is so low, that a 2 step auth dont make sense at all (which isnt 100% safe as well, nothing is).
I play online games since online games exists and I never lost an account and if it happens, yes then it will be most likly my fault and I can live with that, I could even live with it if is banned then forever, better loosing one time an account then having on every account a 2 step auth and being annoyed.
Yes I dont need to play and you dont need to play either ;)
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			This is what I love,You get a sincere post from the devs and GMs and their staff member in general, as you can see from their post, they are not hiding, they are not bound by corporate terms if they chose to speak freely and give their opinions. They are like us, and they feel the same damn crap we feel in the game when it comes to dealing with people who fracking suuuckk... the bots, the afk bots etc.Laaaaay dooowwwnnnn the laaaaawwwwwww	
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This is what I love,
 
You get a sincere post from the devs and GMs and their staff member in general, as you can see from their post, they are not hiding, they are not bound by corporate terms if they chose to speak freely and give their opinions. They are like us, and they feel the same damn crap we feel in the game when it comes to dealing with people who fracking suuuckk... the bots, the afk bots etc.
 
Laaaaay dooowwwnnnn the laaaaawwwwwww
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what you describe is true for traditional forms of compromising accounts. Based on what I've seen in researching my recent experience of being compromised, it is looking more like man in the middle attacks.
 
What you describe doesn't help verses Man in the Middle attacks. What does help against man in the middle attacks are authenticators and 2-step verification.
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