115419-the-overwhelming-negativity

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			I want to see Wildstar live. Sure it has its problems, but Carbine is trying really hard to bring it to glory. The thing is we're not going to go far if all new people on the Internet would ever see in regards to this game is negativity. Whether it's the trolls, or there are few very very unhappy people with their purchase, still it does affect how other people view the product. I've been following a few different games and MMOs publications and actually started actively defending the game. While I know that some people will have problems with white knighting, at the moment, at least in the public's eyes we really need it. For example this is the newest PC gamer release on Wildstar:http://www.pcgamer.com/wildstar-cancels-christmas-and-halloween-events/If you can defend the game at least a little bit. Share positive experiences on the Internet. Invite friends to play together. Because one thing that is bringing us down, is our own community. 	
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I want to see Wildstar live. Sure it has its problems, but Carbine is trying really hard to bring it to glory. The thing is we're not going to go far if all new people on the Internet would ever see in regards to this game is negativity. Whether it's the trolls, or there are few very very unhappy people with their purchase, still it does affect how other people view the product. 
I've been following a few different games and MMOs publications and actually started actively defending the game. While I know that some people will have problems with white knighting, at the moment, at least in the public's eyes we really need it. 
For example this is the newest PC gamer release on Wildstar:
http://www.pcgamer.com/wildstar-cancels-christmas-and-halloween-events/
If you can defend the game at least a little bit. Share positive experiences on the Internet. Invite friends to play together. Because one thing that is bringing us down, is our own community.
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The grass is always greener somewhere else but really its not. People these days expectations way exceed what is even possible in a game or movie.
 
Every game that has been released in the last 5 years has just been bashed by the community and the internet trolls. I do not see this changing anytime soon.
Game hasn't been out that long and many people just gave up. People gave up on dungeons because they were hard.
I looked at some gear while in group through dungeon finder and many were still wearing under level 50 quested greens or blues. Its like they didn't even try to get crafted.
 
We live in an age of everyone wins a trophy. Wildstar did not deliver this and we saw people leave for a place they could win even if they came in last place.	
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The negativity is why I've stopped posting in general. I'm okay in our lightspire section because it's the realm I helped create community-wise and it makes me proud to see so much optimism there. 
 
I'm hoping the negativity will lift come mega servers. Cause I'm looking forward to meeting new people ingame. :)	
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I've always just found that people tend to focus a lot more easily on the negative or bad aspects more than the good aspects. I've got 3 people offhand who are interested in joining in on wildstar, but they want to join in after Drop 3 so they can get a better solid idea of where Carbine is going with Wildstar. I'm only speaking from my little circle and view, but that's where I'm at. I simply told them my perspective of what i loved and disliked about Wildstar and they were really excited about it. I recently brought back some people as well to the game(or least made them slightly more active) because I introduced them to content they either hadn't tried, were "scared" out of(yes this can happen when you run into a string of bad luck with bad apples), or just felt alone or confused.
 
Heres hoping for more friends codes or even a referral program after this? *shrug*
 
I love wildstar, but it's got some issues that need addressing like any other game. So I simply discuss, point out, give suggestions, etc on a a subject I know and care about...like warrior tanks...and chua warriors...	
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			I've been trying to convince friends to come back to the game but they ask me if it's really worth it and at the moment, don't know if it will change with Drop 3, it's not and they've been saying themselves (Carbine) that they aren't trying to get new players into the game atm. So it's hard to convince people to come back or new friends to buy the game when it's being acknowledged that the current state of the game isn't something they seem to want new players to have to experience.	
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			Please post a link to a recent positive or exciting update from Carbine and I will spam it to all my gamer friends!	
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I am playing the game and having fun.. the most absolute and honest fun I had in years after many different MMOs.
 
I feel deeply sorry for the players that will listen to the negative press and not try this game for themselves.	
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I've been trying to convince friends to come back to the game but they ask me if it's really worth it and at the moment, don't know if it will change with Drop 3, it's not and they've been saying themselves (Carbine) that they aren't trying to get new players into the game atm. So it's hard to convince people to come back or new friends to buy the game when it's being acknowledged that the current state of the game isn't something they seem to want new players to have to experience.
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The grass is always greener somewhere else but really its not. People these days expectations way exceed what is even possible in a game or movie.
 
Every game that has been released in the last 5 years has just been bashed by the community and the internet trolls. I do not see this changing anytime soon.
Game hasn't been out that long and many people just gave up. People gave up on dungeons because they were hard.
I looked at some gear while in group through dungeon finder and many were still wearing under level 50 quested greens or blues. Its like they didn't even try to get crafted.
 
We live in an age of everyone wins a trophy. Wildstar did not deliver this and we saw people leave for a place they could win even if they came in last place.
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On the one hand, the overwhelming negativity is obnoxious, but on the other hand it has become so prevalent that I think I'm becoming desensitized to it.  I barely notice it anymore.  Usually the things that people say are so far off base that I can't help but describe them as "generic" or "cliché".  I'll look at a comment and think to myself "dude, you said that about the last 3 MMOs that came out", whether it was really that person or not, and quite frankly it's never true.
 
I have noticed that the negativity that's hitting Wildstar has been pretty tame compared to what I've seen directed towards some other MMOs (I remember most recently the vitriol that was constantly spewed at ESO, which was weird, it's actually a really good game, but whatever).
 
I think, when people rally behind an MMO or try to tear it down, it's a very similar mindset to what you see with fans of the various sports teams, "Dude, we crushed you guys in the game last night!!"
 
Heh, like hell you did, your lazy can was sitting in your living room shoving cheese dip, hotwings, and beer down your gullet while the ATHLETES did all the work.  There's no "we" in that equation, but people say it nonetheless.  Never really understood it myself.  Certainly don't care if the Mariners win or the Penguins, it's all football to me (you know, the game with the field and nets and the people doing something with the ball).
 
I also never saw the point in arbitrarily barricading myself from the enjoyment of one MMO because another one happened to be on my computer at the time, but other people seem to be attached to the idea. 
 
Maybe the toxic behavior is how people justify their decision to purchase one product over another?
 
Meh, random pondering, don't mind me...	
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I have noticed that the negativity that's hitting Wildstar has been pretty tame compared to what I've seen directed towards some other MMOs (I remember most recently the vitriol that was constantly spewed at ESO, which was weird, it's actually a really good game, but whatever).
 
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			I'm bummed that the monthly update cadence was cut for pure bug fixes, but I'm still interested to see that year and a half of content in the pipeline come spewing out. I'm guessing it'll pick up steam after Warlords of Draenor and SWTOR's expansions for a strong content push after these games put their best offerings out for the holidays.	
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There's no third party site like Massively or PC Gamer that's out there screaming "burn Wildstar! Burn!" They're reporting facts and armchair quarterbacking, which is no different than what sports reporters do. Or business reporters. Or any type of journalism for that matter.
 
I'm sorry OP, but what exactly is it that you're wanting us to do? Go on to other sites and say that Christmas and Halloween events haven't been canceled? Do you want us to go third party sites and deny noticeably reduced active populations on servers, deny the megaserver merges, deny the restructured content release schedule, deny the Developer's own admissions for the need to improve it's endgame progression plans, deny the... Do you want the community here to go out to every gaming site we can find and say that Wildstar isn't going through a tough period right now? Because all of those those things I listed are true, and Wildstar is having a tough patch. And running around white knighting and denying facts does more damage than good.	
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There's no third party site like Massively or PC Gamer that's out there screaming "burn Wildstar! Burn!" They're reporting facts and armchair quarterbacking, which is no different than what sports reporters do. Or business reporters. Or any type of journalism for that matter.
 
I'm sorry OP, but what exactly is it that you're wanting us to do? Go on to other sites and say that Christmas and Halloween events haven't been canceled? Do you want us to go third party sites and deny noticeably reduced active populations on servers, deny the megaserver merges, deny the restructured content release schedule, deny the Developer's own admissions for the need to improve it's endgame progression plans, deny the... Do you want the community here to go out to every gaming site we can find and say that Wildstar isn't going through a tough period right now? Because all of those those things I listed are true, and Wildstar is having a tough patch. And running around white knighting and denying facts does more damage than good.
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I want to see Wildstar live. Sure it has its problems, but Carbine is trying really hard to bring it to glory. The thing is we're not going to go far if all new people on the Internet would ever see in regards to this game is negativity. Whether it's the trolls, or there are few very very unhappy people with their purchase, still it does affect how other people view the product. 
I've been following a few different games and MMOs publications and actually started actively defending the game. While I know that some people will have problems with white knighting, at the moment, at least in the public's eyes we really need it. 
For example this is the newest PC gamer release on Wildstar:
http://www.pcgamer.com/wildstar-cancels-christmas-and-halloween-events/
If you can defend the game at least a little bit. Share positive experiences on the Internet. Invite friends to play together. Because one thing that is bringing us down, is our own community. 
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There's no third party site like Massively or PC Gamer that's out there screaming "burn Wildstar! Burn!" They're reporting facts and armchair quarterbacking, which is no different than what sports reporters do. Or business reporters. Or any type of journalism for that matter.
 
I'm sorry OP, but what exactly is it that you're wanting us to do? Go on to other sites and say that Christmas and Halloween events haven't been canceled? Do you want us to go third party sites and deny noticeably reduced active populations on servers, deny the megaserver merges, deny the restructured content release schedule, deny the Developer's own admissions for the need to improve it's endgame progression plans, deny the... Do you want the community here to go out to every gaming site we can find and say that Wildstar isn't going through a tough period right now? Because all of those those things I listed are true, and Wildstar is having a tough patch. And running around white knighting and denying facts does more damage than good.
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			I'll share a story...I once did a halls of the blood sworn and tether misled an Aurin trying to jump off the platform and he got caught and hung form the platform like a piñata we proceeded to maul.	
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That's the kind of negativity that I would like countered.
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I play the game, but not nearly as often as I used to.  Working at night leaves the morning as the only time I can get some mindless entertainment done.  Log on and hit the dungeons or adventures que.  Making sure to not select 'my realm only' and hit the open roads of nexus. 
 
The other day I played for just over two hours on stormtalon and the estimated que time was still 'unknown'.  I logged off to get some real life things done.
 
That is not incommon at all for me, log off after only seeing a few people in the world and no group formed.
 
I really like this game.  The spellslinger class is fun!  I just finished reading the first book of Stephen Kings 'Gunslinger' series when I rolled one.  I love the combat, the art style, housing and so much more about this game.  But, lets face it, the game has issues.  The lack of any end game for anyone besides the raiding community and the release of the game before megaservers were ready.  Those are just a couple, but there are a lot more things that need to be addressed.
 
There is a positive effect of negative comments
 
The next time someone wants to invest millions of dollars and spend at least 10 years making a game that caters to a small sliver of the MMO palyerbase ( the 'hardcore' ) and then release that game well before it's ready...maybe they'll stumble upon forum post like these and think otherwise.
 
If Carbine had waited even until November to release at the same time as WoD I think the game would have been in much better shape to compete for its market share.
 
Don't blame the messanger for the bad news. 
 
Carbine bought the gun, loaded it, aimed carefully, and then shot themselves in the foot.  Whether or not they can stop the bleeding is up to them.	
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Mitra,
 
Unfortunately, you are witnessing the "new normal" as far as player behavior goes.  There are many causes for this and unfortunately can not be debated on these forums ( or any game forums or pretty much in "polite conversation" in any medium these days ).  Those that understand will agree, those that don't would become rabid over the reasons.  Negativity in games is a symptom of a larger problem with the world today.	
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It doesn't matter what other people think. If you like the game play it, if you don't like it then don't play it. Works for every game - Simple.
 
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I agree whole heartedly here!
 
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I'm posting this as a personal experience, and honestly I think eStorm has it spot on. Problem is, while that's a nice idea, it's also not how things typically work. 
 
I would like to think that it is because gamers are passionate that we see such outcry. That it is because they care that they talk at all. I also think we all need to lead by example, and instead of trying to convince everyone that there is only one method of thinking we need to be more concerned with our own methods. 
 
That being said, there is a wrong and right way to voice that.. enthusiasm. I truly believe you can bring up every concern about the game and word it in such a way that it 1. gets noticed and 2. doesn't bring about pitchforks and hatred.
 
Again, not how things typically work. ;)
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I want to see Wildstar live. Sure it has its problems, but Carbine is trying really hard to bring it to glory. The thing is we're not going to go far if all new people on the Internet would ever see in regards to this game is negativity. Whether it's the trolls, or there are few very very unhappy people with their purchase, still it does affect how other people view the product. 
I've been following a few different games and MMOs publications and actually started actively defending the game. While I know that some people will have problems with white knighting, at the moment, at least in the public's eyes we really need it. 
For example this is the newest PC gamer release on Wildstar:
http://www.pcgamer.com/wildstar-cancels-christmas-and-halloween-events/
If you can defend the game at least a little bit. Share positive experiences on the Internet. Invite friends to play together. Because one thing that is bringing us down, is our own community. 
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Honestly, its the direct result of poor idea's Carbine has implemented. One such bad idea is PvP gear. PvP gear use to have pre-set rune slots. Carbine states "The randomness of runes is too great _ (referring to PVE gear), we are working on a fix" That same week, they released a patch that removed the pre-set runes in PvP gear and made it RNG. As a direct result, I have had to spend hundreds of hours in BGs slowly gaining prestige instead of doing what I really wanted to do (arena).
 
Its very disheartening to spend 8 hours gaining 4k prestige, then buying a weapon and seeing 3 water slots
 
This is only 1 example of terrible game decisions Carbine has made. Thankfully they are close to a fix, albiet 2 months since announcing they are working on it.
 
Can't blame people for quitting/being angry. I just hope they give Wildstar another chance once drop 3 hits cause given all it's bad ideas, its core is pure gold
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It doesn't matter what other people think. If you like the game play it, if you don't like it then don't play it. Works for every game - Simple.
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Gaming press websites can only report on what they experience and I can only imagine Carbine would rather wait til they've smoothed out the big issues before a big marketing push, but there does seem to be an imbalanced amount of negative articles lately. Some of which (it seems to me at least) are pretty gloating in tone. Whether this is because Wildstar promised a lot up front and didn't *quite* deliver or because of click-bait article headlines I can't say. Though it's pretty disheartening to see "lol game is ded" posts responding to why there's no pumpkins this year or why pristine new expansions *every single month* might be unrealistic. 
 
Which is bizarre, really. Coming back to Wildstar after a couple of months tarting around with a few other MMO's I was pleasantly surprised how sophisticated it is in comparison. I can only hope when Megaservers and Drop 3 show up we'll start seeing some positive articles. Keep up the good work, Carbine folks, I'm sure you know what you're doing!  	
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