107638-the-cost-to-respec

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IS TOO DAMN HIGH! 
 
Seriously, it doesn't promote trying new builds or experimenting with different amps at all. Is there an reason why it shouldn't be free? Okay you need a credit sink cool, but why punish players for wanting to experiment with new builds? 
 
inb4 "lol casual i got plat4days get gud" 	
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Yea. Totally agree.
It is things like this that really show where ideas were taken from. I remember this issue in WoW, and then they changed it. The old system's price would slowly drop down the longer you went w/o respecing. Guild's chipping in to pay for someone to respec to Tank/DPS/Heals (before dual-spec).
It is like Carbine didn't want to add that feature (low respec price if you do not use it), but burrow the dual-spec idea (Action bars)
It caps at 50g. AB 3 & 4's price should be lowered, or not at all. 3 Specs + PvP, would be nice if I could just play all of them. Would keep me on one character.
 
Got to have money sinks, just seems this game has so many at the start.	
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			Agree. The game has too much gold sink overall anyway. This dampens the freedom to experiment with builds and is just generally stupid.	
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I think 5g would be good...
 
Or even have it so that if you respec constantly the amount gets higher if it's done in X amount of time and resets to base cost after Y amount of time not respeccing.	
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I disagreed with this, having carefully planned out my AMPs ahead of time, but my tune changed when the Healing Nerf made PvP healers need to become heavy support/utility rather than actual healing.
 
I'm expected to drop 50g every time Carbine makes a massive balance change purely on a whim?	
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			50 gold takes very little time to farm, and the only time you'll really be experimenting builds is at lvl 50, in which you farm gold a lot easier.. and a lot faster. I dont think its too much, considering you have 2 action sets to start with at that level	
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50 gold takes very little time to farm...
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			Sure once you hit 50 farming becomes a little easier, but I still don't agree that each time I leveled the cost went up as well. I see 2 actions sets as dual-spec. My stalker has his DPS and Tank, but neither of them are AMPed "right" for PvP or to give support (not sure how Stalkers heal).	
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Well, that didn't take long.
 
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			eh i don't think it's too much but im also good on money. I really like to experiment with builds and until Carbine said "yeah...we're gonna update warrior tanks" I did it all the time. On average I'd spend 3-5p messing with builds, which was fine for me but I know it would give some players a heart attack...	
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			One place I don't think a gold sink should be, character testing and abilities, especially the everchanging way balance is done in mmo's.	
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			There should be free respecs but perhaps put a money sink on re-rolling runeslots? (with maybe some "hold" feature when you have one you want)	
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			 Somehow the economist at carbine thought everyone would be filthy stinking rich by the time they hit 50..like the guy who posted and said his armor costed over 20 plat to get dyed....Ill buy that for a dollar.. not	
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Well, that didn't take long.
 
 :lol:
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Well, that didn't take long.
 
 :lol:
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One place I don't think a gold sink should be, character testing and abilities, especially the everchanging way balance is done in mmo's.
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Well, that didn't take long.
 
 :lol:
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Because everyone else is allowed to have their opinion (Complaint) about the game and I am not allowed mine with a side of justification to why I think that is?
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			Personally I'd rather have something like the Power House from Champions Online where in it will only cost you one respec and you can redo it as many time as you like, until you leave it of course. It can give you a very rudimentary feel for combat since it has a personally instanced area where you can spawn a few enemy types in a few select ways.	
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I laughed.
 
Why so serious. Good gravy, people. Calm down. I was laughing at the timing, not the sentiment. (Though I also think it's a bit much.)
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Because everyone else is allowed to have their opinion (Complaint) about the game and I am not allowed mine with a side of justification to why I think that is?
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I think the cost to respec is fine at 50g and should not be changed.
 
 
Now, what Would be nice, is a NPC you can speak with, pay 1plat and unlimited respects for xx hours
 
and/or
 
Flask of Respec from Renown Vendor.	
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			100% agree.  ZERO reason to charge players to find the right balance for them.  Easily one of the worst features that did stand our for me too.	
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I think the cost to respec is fine at 50g and should not be changed.
 
 
Now, what Would be nice, is a NPC you can speak with, pay 1plat and unlimited respects for xx hours
 
and/or
 
Flask of Respec from Renown Vendor.
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Not being too serious at all, I simply pointed out something to someone else being too serious about a games restrictions set by its devs, and because of what you said in all of its vagueness, incited the haters of all people who disagree with them about making this game easier on all aspects.
 
 
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Everytime someone has a great suggestion for the game, a fan boy has to come in and tell us why he thinks it's fine the way things are.
50g is way too much. 
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It really is per player...
last few weeks, ive spent 10-15plat a week or more.
 
Friday night, i made 10plat in 2 hours alone...	
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Gotcha. I wasn't trying to incite anything. Just giggling because I'd just read the "inb4 someone says l2p noob" or something like that. And then, there you were.
 
Anyway, not picking a fight. You're both entitled to your opinions on this. I get around the respec cost by doing stupid dailies and doing my research before committing to it. I *do* think it's too expensive, but that's 'cuz I'm cheap, not because I can't afford.
 
Heck, six months from now, we'll probably be laughing at 50gs
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			Im not saying 50g is some huge absurd number that only the 1337est of players can afford; im saying why should there be such a barrier to respec your character? spec'ing is one of my fav things to do in mmo's, why do i need to be out right punished for doing so? Take GW2 for example, in pvp, you had free, unlimited spec resets, this promoted build diversity and changing the meta around. In this game if you dont like your pvp spec, or some balance patch happens, well prepare to drop half a plat just to stay viable. 	
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Friday night, i made 10plat in 2 hours alone...
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So I used to play Champions online and I liked how they had their specing system set up.. Yes it was expensive BUT you went into a training facility to test out different powers/set ups/ travel abilities. 
 
Once you left the training grounds your spec was set and had to buy another recon (respec) afterwards but for the duration that you were in the training grounds you could test to your hearts desire.	
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Im not saying 50g is some huge absurd number that only the 1337est of players can afford; im saying why should there be such a barrier to respec your character? spec'ing is one of my fav things to do in mmo's, why do i need to be out right punished for doing so? Take GW2 for example, in pvp, you had free, unlimited spec resets, this promoted build diversity and changing the meta around. In this game if you dont like your pvp spec, or some balance patch happens, well prepare to drop half a plat just to stay viable. 
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btw, since its been since nerfed.
I used to farm Sign of Fusion - Eldan in malgrave off flamewalkers, group aoe killing, you could get 8-15 Signs an hour.
 
20x Gold per sign, you could get 2-2.5 plat an hour.
 
 
This not including the rune fragments from all the blue/green gear they were dropping :)
 
 
There are trends, that have very good drop rates it seems.. find it.. farm it.. move on once it stops dropping.	
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			Yes Please.	
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Man, I wish I had all of these amazing amps on my esper that everyone else seems to have since they apparently want to respec everyday, that the 50g is too much for them to handle. 
 
Testing builds is a bs cover for being too impatient or lazy to get a 3rd LAS so they're finding excuses to get rid of respec fees.
 
Hint: respec costs the way it does because a negligible respec fee makes getting a 3rd/4th las relatively pointless. If you want to tank, dps and PvP on the same toon, then suck it up and get some elder gems and buy an extra las.	
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20x Gold per sign, you could get 2-2.5 plat an hour.
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Id be more then happy to post what i farm currently when its no longer relevant.
 
Not going to ruin my own market. :p	
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Just a friendly reminder to keep this thread on-topic and constructive!
 
Thanks,Team WildStar	
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			Would not talking about the economy and ways to make the 50g the fastest still be on topic?	
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So I used to play Champions online and I liked how they had their specing system set up.. Yes it was expensive BUT you went into a training facility to test out different powers/set ups/ travel abilities. 
 
Once you left the training grounds your spec was set and had to buy another recon (respec) afterwards but for the duration that you were in the training grounds you could test to your hearts desire.
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			I have over 110 plat....which isn't all that much I guess but even still I think respect costs are absurb.	
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			Well they are WoW devs after all so this was the gold respec price back in vanilla and bc before it got lowered later on. Vanilla was tough to grind gold cause I didn't know the auction house back then until later levels. Gold became more accessible in BC plus the fact players didn't have a 2nd spec build as this game does. If anything bothers me the most are the dye prices especially the rare ones. Those need to be reduce in my opinion, but by all means if the respec amp price lowers then I suggest 25 gold. 25 gold for respec is a reasonable price.	
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Id be more then happy to post what i farm currently when its no longer relevant.
 
Not going to ruin my own market. :P
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50g isn't much when you make 2-3 plat a day just doing dailies, and that's not taking into consideration all the money you make from selling mats.
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			50g isn't much when you make 2-3 plat a day just doing dailies, and that's not taking into consideration all the money you make from selling mats.	
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50g isn't much when you make 2-3 plat a day just doing dailies, and that's not taking into consideration all the money you make from selling mats.
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			How about one free respec a week for each action set you have? would that be so much to ask? that way you can play around each week with slight changes until you find your preferred build. If you want to change it up more then that, then you pay 50g. Seems like a fair, rewarding system to me. 	
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			I use Nexus (the PTR realm) as my testing ground on respec, although I only got to try new builds on level 50 mobs or duels.	
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not sure what dailies you are doing, but I want in!
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Money buff from house? 
My current issue is getting EP cap each week. Tomorrow is Tuesday and I'm at like 60%.
Dailies blow lol	
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			Devs said before the game was released that the AMP respec would be expensive.  They know.  Working as intended.	
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No you didn't.
 
 
The people that are ok with the 50g are most likely the ones that exploited the economy in the beginning and have a ton of money.  For those of us that didn't and want to try different skills and abilities 50g is too much.
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50g isn't much when you make 2-3 plat a day just doing dailies, and that's not taking into consideration all the money you make from selling mats.
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			You think respeccing's expensive?  Try dying your armor.	
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Some of these dailies income numbers are either accounting for unusually valuable drops and challenge chest rewards or flat out lies.
 
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I used to farm Sign of Fusion - Eldan in malgrave off flamewalkers, group aoe killing, you could get 8-15 Signs an hour.
 
20x Gold per sign, you could get 2-2.5 plat an hour.
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			How about researching the best amp/skill build and using tht. guarenteed to not have to change it for a while. I have the same build on my stalker sicnce day 1 and I always get top dps..Never once had to spend any money on respecs..Not to mention the 1p a day you get from dailies, and 1p a day form being in a mining circle (or 5p+/day for me from alts with 100 neigbors ea.) you can make bank not even logging into the game.	
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Yea. Totally agree.
It is things like this that really show where ideas were taken from. I remember this issue in WoW, and then they changed it. The old system's price would slowly drop down the longer you went w/o respecing. Guild's chipping in to pay for someone to respec to Tank/DPS/Heals (before dual-spec).
It is like Carbine didn't want to add that feature (low respec price if you do not use it), but burrow the dual-spec idea (Action bars)
It caps at 50g. AB 3 & 4's price should be lowered, or not at all. 3 Specs + PvP, would be nice if I could just play all of them. Would keep me on one character.
 
Got to have money sinks, just seems this game has so many at the start.
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			I heard people saying that the cost increases to 2 plat if you have all AMPs unlocked (a total of 55).	
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50G is a giant mental block for someone who might try other builds otherwise. Sure it's really not that much and you can make it up in one round of daily quests, but it doesn't FEEL like nothing. Vendors top out on gear at around 6-7 G. Meaning a whole set is 36-50G. (give or take for implants and stuff), repairs top out around 20-30G if you go till it all breaks , traveling across an entire continent with the taxi is around 2 G. ...  
 
all of that makes 50 G feel like a giant chunk of change and it will keep people from trying anything other than "PROVEN" builds since they don't want to throw away money on something they might not like. It's not the cost here, it's the perception. I saw the 500P bag on the shady vendor the other day and it floored me. 500P.. why would anyone ever EVER spend that money on 1 bag? Well.. in a year, maybe it won't be all that much, but when a months worth of playtime is 4-5P (currently on my server) that is NUTS.
 
I'm aware they need to set precidents, I know they told us that the economy will grow and the money level is easier to adjust down than up (they don't want to lower costs now and raise them later, people REALLY dont like that).
 
But this one thing. The essential need for people to play how they want to play and not some "optimal" build they lookup at elitistjerks.com. I think it's worth adjusting..  I've never liked playing builds just because they're the best, but right now I can't afford not to since in the end tuning a good build for myself without cookie cuttering the crap out of it will cost me upwards of 3P in respecs. Mess up one Amp ? respec. Find out that that amp doesn't work how you thought it did on that thing you are trying to kill ? respec. It adds up and you shouldn't fear trying new things just because you don't want to waste a day of daily quest reward money. The money is being kept down , it doesn't need this one more thing.. hell if you made it cheaper at least you might even take more money out since the guy who was NEVER going to respec might do it now.	
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			There should be an option to change one amp also. or maybe 1g per one that you want to change. This way it still costs a lot and they get a a gold sink but people can also have a basic build and adjust a few things if need be.	
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			Before we contniue, can everyone please pull their head out of their butt and stop saying "build" when refering to AMPs.  Your skills and to what tier they are can be changed ANY time at all. You can also buy new skill sets (for a total of four) every month if you do your dailies.  Is four specs not enough?  How many respecs do you figure someone will have to do before their happy with their AMPs?  Only min-maxers are going to pay 10 plat to get the "perfect" build every month.  And they deserve to suffer so it's all good.	
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Yes you can buy 2 more (currently bugged) action sets.... for elder gems.... which I need to spend on other things, such as the AMP/skillpoint increases that have not ever dropped for me.
 
Ideally I will someday have : Tank, DPS, PVP, Openworld PVP... but right now I only have the two and I'm pretty regularly thinking of things I could do to make them more fun for me but I DON'T because it'll cost money and I can't be entirely positive it'll work as I want it to. I'm stuck with 2 "optimal" BUILDS (arguing semantics isn't a valid point) that I looked up since I don't want to burden my teammates with subpar DPS or threat.  Nobody should avoid trying something fun just because it might be a waste of money that someone decided was necessary for a debateable money sink.	
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this supposes you do the dailies every day. I sure as hell dont. they were boring, uninspired time sinks. attaching easy gold to them simply punishes people who dont want to do the same shit every day forever in order to have fun.
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How about researching the best amp/skill build and using tht. guarenteed to not have to change it for a while. I have the same build on my stalker sicnce day 1 and I always get top dps..Never once had to spend any money on respecs..Not to mention the 1p a day you get from dailies, and 1p a day form being in a mining circle (or 5p+/day for me from alts with 100 neigbors ea.) you can make bank not even logging into the game.
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I disagreed with this, having carefully planned out my AMPs ahead of time, but my tune changed when the Healing Nerf made PvP healers need to become heavy support/utility rather than actual healing.
 
I'm expected to drop 50g every time Carbine makes a massive balance change purely on a whim?
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