Report 836

Report #836
Skillset: Minstrelry Skill: ShotNote
 Org: Minstrels Status: Completed May 2012
Furies' Decision:
Solution 1.
Problem: Targetted song powers set in any stanza lower than High creates a
problem for the bard because of quite a few reasons. Foremost of all is the prep
time which accompanies a bardic burst offense - namely, that to reset the
offense back to the stanza where the attack begins should it fail requires
playing through the current song and forward to the beginning again. This
requires nine separate balances (27 seconds typically), and Encore reliance
isn't healthy for the power-intensive bard who consistently drops 3p and 2p for
pfifth and powerspikes alone.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Set both Minstrelry's ShotNote and Loralaria's
 FleckedFortissimo to the High stanza rather than
 their current Mid level placement.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Have targetted powers imbued in a song activate on a
 targetted refrain, provided that the song is
 currently at or above the stanza number the song
 power is imbued at. Lower level songs prioritize over
 higher level ones, so you don't see people hitting
 with both a Mid and High stanza targetted power at
 the same time. (Ie. if my song is at the 9th stanza
 and I imbue ShotNote to the 5th and refrain at a
 target, my song would hit with ShotNote even though
 I'm on the 9th stanza. If I mess up and imbue
 ShotNote and Rave to the song, ShotNote would take
 priority over Rave so only the lower stanza affects a
 target.)
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3:
Player Comments:
---[Raeri on 5/6 @ 05:21 writes]:
Supported - Solution 1.
---[Draylor on 5/6 @ 13:08 writes]:
Solution 1 supported here, mainly for the sake of consistency. All other similar
bard specific power effects are high stanza. (PrincessFarewell, CrowCaw,
QueensLament, etc) - As for solution 3, there is already precedence for this.
(Starhymn GuardianAngel/AvengingAngel) - Whilst I would seek to retain some
individuality, maybe something similar could work for you. Regardless, solution
3 is a huge ask and is definitely warranting of its own report.
---[Draylor on 5/6 @ 13:12 writes]:
Sorry, forgot to add. I would seek that there be a delay on this effect to
disallow spamming of it. (Constant refraining on this effect could turn out very
bad, very quickly and is probably the reason there is currently a mid-stanza
effect restriction in place.)
---[Shuyin on 5/6 @ 21:26 writes]:
Solution 1 is fine. I think shotnote/fortissimo already costs quite a bit, so it
already can't be spammed much because of this
---[Viynain on 5/6 @ 22:10 writes]:
Problems about spamming ShotNote and FleckedFortissimo shouldn't arise because,
as was mentioned, of the power cost associated with both abilities (5p and 3p
respectively). ShotNote even goes further with a mechanical limitation
preventing the ability from pushing someone too far into drunkenness, and stun
immunity already exists to rein in the effects of FleckedFortissimo. Of the
report as a whole, solution 1 is my personal choice.
---[Draylor on 5/7 @ 04:26 writes]:
Yeah, that's a fair comment. I do very much like your suggestion of giving bards
a stanza retreat option, mind. (As per solution 3.) - We should look more into
this very soon, I think.
---[Raeri on 5/10 @ 05:48 writes]:
I note that Solution 3 is now finalised as report 793 effectively, and might be
able to be dropped from this one.
---[Viynain on 5/11 @ 23:34 writes]:
Solution 3 phased out per the efforts to make it its own report. Since no other
solution to address the problem immediately comes to mind, I'll leave the third
slot blank as I finalize. Maybe other comments might generate ideas in the
future, but I think either of the above now answers the problem nicely.
---[Mirami on 5/13 @ 04:48 writes]:
Solution 1 supported.
---[Tacita on 5/14 @ 23:41 writes]:
Solution 1 fixes the problem nicely.
---[Talan on 5/15 @ 20:00 writes]:
Yeah, I would like Fleckedfortissimo to be high stanza please. Solution 1. It
needs other help, but this would be a better starting point.
---[Talan on 5/15 @ 20:45 writes]:
To clarify, if 857 is rejected, I support this report for FleckedFortissimo. I
support Solution 1 for ShotNote either way.
---[Enyalida on 5/16 @ 21:11 writes]:
Solution 1 supported. I think I'm probably against Solution 2, because of the
potential headache for bards forgetting to shift out mid stanza songs when they
want to hit with a higher stanza song.
---[Shedrin on 5/16 @ 21:40 writes]:
Now that the Symphonium envoy got her report in, I'll support Solution 1 for
ShotNote, and Sol 1 for FleckedFortissimo if report 857 is rejected.
---[Ushaara on 5/19 @ 23:17 writes]:
Ditto what Shedrin said for me. Supported.