Report 1467

Report #1467
Skillset: Telekinesis Skill: Clot
 Org: Pyromancers Status: Completed Mar 2016
Furies' Decision:
Solution 2.
Problem: The change to the burst vessel numbers in previous reports (which was
needed), curing vessels now comfortably outpaces curing vessels even with
throatlock and trip, and clots provide no realistic solution to this in its
current form. Burst vessels are cured with healing sips and sparkles, where as
clots are yarrow which can't be stacked as a cure by Telekinesis. There is also
no synergy between the two, as you can cure a clot with yarrow, and will be able
to immediately cure a vessel. This change is to make vessel building viable, but
through the application of clots rather than the old way where vessels outpaced
curing.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Move CLOT to the same cure as burst vessels: health
 sip and sparkleberry.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Make clots hidden, they will provide no affliction
 message, but they will provide a message when cured.
 Move clot curing to a dust cure and off the old cure
 (yarrow).
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3: Either solution 1 or 2 (but not both), and
 additionally, a clot will do 300 bleeding (not
 reoccuring) when applied.
Player Comments:
---[Raeri on 3/14 @ 10:51 writes]:
Solution 2, I feel it fits with the original intent a little better.
---[Lerad on 3/14 @ 12:22 writes]:
Moving anything to the dust balance needs to bear in mind the fact that
paralysis is in that cure tree. Stacking it with paralysis almost always means
that the clot will stay on the target for an extra cure balance because
paralysis is a super high priority affliction. Luckily, telekinetic mages (as
far as I know), do not have a means to consistently deal paralysis except via
beast spit (or animateddagger, but that is a locked ability that only uses the
same channel as bloodclot, so they can't be used together). That's the only
saving grace at the moment - should this change, or should my understanding be
wrong, then we'll definitely want to more closely reconsider this. As is, I
would prefer solution 1 - bearing in mind that bloodclots also lengthen sip
balances, a single successful bloodclot (requiring only 2 vessels at time of
cast) will already set the opponent back by blocking off a vessel cure AND
lengthening how long it takes before they can sip to cure again, building both
bleed (mana) pressure as well as giving a boost to vessel momentum. I believe
this should be sufficient to make bloodclot relevant again - which is the
problem statement - without adding a possible paralysis+bloodclot headache to
the dust queue.
---[Cyndarin on 3/14 @ 21:36 writes]:
We can consider ice instead of dust bearing in mind it'll be great for some
guilds (Pyros) and so so for others, but will also stack with limb breaks
available in TK.
---[Wobou on 3/22 @ 10:46 writes]:
I don't miss old TK dominance but I also prefer solution 2. Solution 1 I think
will also be fine but I am definitely against solution 3, because if we fix the
core issue of TK's ability to stack bursts then they won't need adidtional
sources of bleeding. As an aside, to make this more overhaul-y can we collapse
clots into one stacking affliction instead of having 4 affs (one for each limb)?
The imagery of the clots on a specific limb was cool but there is nothing
mechanically (that I know of) that plays off of the fact that a given limb has a
clot in it.
---[Synkarin on 3/22 @ 14:06 writes]:
Sol 2 is fine, I agree that sol 3 is unneeded. I think dust is ok, but would be
open to other balances as well. I also agree with @Wobou that it'd be better to
change clots to a single stacking affliction, to make focusing on them easier
with the new cure focues.
---[Cyndarin on 3/22 @ 23:08 writes]:
Solution three is because mana and health pools are all higher across the board,
lowering the effectiveness of bleeding drastically. I'm okay with collapsing
clots to be a single affliction.
---[Rivius on 3/23 @ 18:09 writes]:
Would you be amenable to solution 2 giving a symptom line when a clot causes
healing and sparkleberry to fail? There isn't one right now.
---[Cyndarin on 3/24 @ 00:46 writes]:
Would really defeat a lot of the purpose.
---[Rivius on 3/24 @ 23:05 writes]:
I'm really not crazy about making clots not have ANY messages besides a cure
message. From the perspective of the person curing it, it just ends up being a
very sloppy situation to deal with and might necessitate more diagnosing against
a TK that is warranted for a psionic offense (which is fairly hard to hinder).
In addition, solution 1 would end up slowing down burst curing way too much to
be balanced here. It would just end up reintroducing the problem of bursts being
overwhelming, but just changing the method...I'm alright with moving clots to
dust since we pretty much might have to with the overhaul initiative
unfortunately, but the solutions as presented here don't seem favourable.
---[Cyndarin on 3/25 @ 00:22 writes]:
Then we can move it to dust so it stacks with TK offense and give it lines.
Masking it, then giving it a failed cure line undermines the entire purpose of
the change since the cure is on a different balance. You fail the cure which is
going to be spammed, then you immediately cure the clot. It's going to slow
vessel curing only marginally. I'm open to it if we also include solution three.
---[Synkarin on 3/27 @ 14:10 writes]:
Wouldn't there already be a failed cure line in that it didn't cure a vessel?
---[Rivius on 3/28 @ 00:56 writes]:
How would you know the difference between not having any vessels to cure, and
clots preventing you curing a vessel?
---[Cyndarin on 3/28 @ 04:44 writes]:
Because vessels give an affliction line, and that's not changing.
---[Shedrin on 3/30 @ 00:52 writes]:
Solution 1 seems to me to have the potential to be too centralising in strategy,
in that it'd be optimal to just clot every combo, without much timing needed.
Moving it to dust gives some more meaningful choice and timing. I don't think
having it stack with paralysis or other dust things is too much of a problem as
TK already has good ways to hinder dust curing while pushing bursts. I also like
Solution 3 in principle, though maybe lower it to ~200.
---[Cyndarin on 3/30 @ 23:49 writes]:
I'm okay with 150-200 bleeding. I'll update the solutions
---[Cyndarin on 3/30 @ 23:49 writes]:
JK forgot it's finalized. 150-200 bleeding is fine with me.
---[Synkarin on 3/30 @ 23:53 writes]:
Yeah, you would ideally be keeping track of vessels when you have some. There is
a line when you completely cure vessels that is separate from just curing a
vessel but still having them right? So as long as you think you have vessels and
you are curing and not getting a cure line, you can assume clots