118972-id-rather-not-get-bannedcan-carbine-tell-the-difference

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I figured out how to, in game, get a guerenteed income, I can make a fair amount of plat without too much effort, rather I'm glad i figured this out because it allows me to "Grind" the way that I used to in korean MMOs, able to become "mind numbed" and almost automtically repeat the task for hours and hours.
Its relaxing and rewarding feeling.
It's a 100% legit, I'm not using any macros, or addons or anything, just my mouse and keyboard
Although last night I realize that this behavior could be dedected as "botting" because its essentially me manually doing what a bot would do, except for the random mob kills and goofing around on my hoverboard.
At anyrate can Carbine tell the difference between bots and live players commiting the same actions? I mean I saw the video about Zybak getting banned for "automated gameplay" because he put a piece of metal on his keyboard and turned on "hold to continue casting" and farmed a PVP related objective on an afk player for an achievement.
 
I however am not doing anything automatically yet I'm pulling in gold efficiently without spending too much time.
I pulled in 2 plat in one sitting just last night, and could pull 10+plat in a day if I tried.
 
I'd rather not get tagged for botting or banned because I found a legitimate way to earn gold, and can spend hours and hours of my day just listening to my music and farming out gold, because the behavior mimics what bots can do.
I want that strain hoverboard, I hate auction houses and dealing with players, and the grind+stable gold income makes for a happy Aurin.	
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I mean I saw the video about Zybak getting banned for "automated gameplay" because he put a piece of metal on his keyboard and turned on "hold to continue casting" and farmed a PVP related objective on an afk player for an achievement.
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From my understanding, it's pretty obvious on the tech/CS side when players are farming legit versus botting. 
 
However, if you'd like to be on the safe side feel free to send me a PM with the details of your method and I'll find out for sure.	
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That is the definition of botting though. Botting is any automated gameplay no matter physical or software based. He could have easily gotten unbanned by saying that he was there doing it himself and that he just had his chat off. Either way, no worries. Zybak was whispered before hand. Carbine tend to check people that they're following. 
 
Oh and by the way, on top of that they were exploiting for that achievement. You weren't supposed to do all the duels against one person to begin with.
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You won't get banned as long as it's not exploiting unintended gameplay.
They don't ban for farming in areas that bots like to farm. Goofing around on your hoverboard would make it obvious enough that you're not a bot as bots usually follow a specific path and use abilities in a specific order and don't respond to anything unexpected, and certainly don't goof around on hoverboards.
 
Basically it's the automated gameplay they look for, not just someone farming something.	
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Oh so carbine will try to contact me before hand to check if I'm actively at my keyboard?
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			you should tell us what this secret money making scheme is so we can give you an informed answer ;)	
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you should tell us what this secret money making scheme is so we can give you an informed answer ;)
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No.
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I guess you're going to get banned then :)
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Tell us your secrets you ol' carpetbagger! j/k
 
 
 
 
 
 
Felt right... Had to do it... Never sorry...	
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Hello,
 
If you believe that something "could" be an exploit and asking yourself that question it's already not a good sign. I would advise you to reach out to us through theredphone@carbinestudios.com describing step-by-step your flow for acquiring currency easily.
 
Thanks!	
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I figured out how to, in game, get a guerenteed income, I can make a fair amount of plat without too much effort, rather I'm glad i figured this out because it allows me to "Grind" the way that I used to in korean MMOs, able to become "mind numbed" and almost automtically repeat the task for hours and hours.
Its relaxing and rewarding feeling.
It's a 100% legit, I'm not using any macros, or addons or anything, just my mouse and keyboard
Although last night I realize that this behavior could be dedected as "botting" because its essentially me manually doing what a bot would do, except for the random mob kills and goofing around on my hoverboard.
At anyrate can Carbine tell the difference between bots and live players commiting the same actions? I mean I saw the video about Zybak getting banned for "automated gameplay" because he put a piece of metal on his keyboard and turned on "hold to continue casting" and farmed a PVP related objective on an afk player for an achievement.
 
I however am not doing anything automatically yet I'm pulling in gold efficiently without spending too much time.
I pulled in 2 plat in one sitting just last night, and could pull 10+plat in a day if I tried.
 
I'd rather not get tagged for botting or banned because I found a legitimate way to earn gold, and can spend hours and hours of my day just listening to my music and farming out gold, because the behavior mimics what bots can do.
I want that strain hoverboard, I hate auction houses and dealing with players, and the grind+stable gold income makes for a happy Aurin.
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Tell us your secrets you ol' carpetbagger! j/k
 
 
 
 
 
 
Felt right... Had to do it... Never sorry...
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I pulled in 2 plat in one sitting just last night, and could pull 10+plat in a day if I tried.
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			Wait. Didn't we just have hundreds of people 'boting for thousands of platinum and get 1 and 3 day suspension wrist slaps for it?	
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Wait. Didn't we just have hundreds of people 'boting for thousands of platinum and get 1 and 3 day suspension wrist slaps for it?
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If it makes you feel better I farmed the spire for many hours. I mean -many- hours. I would spend 5-6 hours straight there grinding energy worms for weeks. I can't imagine I wasn't reported for botting at some point.
 
The folks at Carbine investigate, they don't just get a report and kick you from the game. It's pretty easy to tell another player. Easier than it is to spot a really good bot, which I don't think there are many of since it's not profitable to develop one any more.
 
The drops you can get from straight grinding are great and profitable, and there are some areas that respawns occur faster than others. I don't think that can be considered an exploit.	
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			10 Plat a day really isn't that impressive unless a day is an hr or 2. Also as long as you're not leasing mobs to get them to respawn and actually at your keyboard while farming its not bannable. Carbine(most MMOs) bot prevention/detection is normally sending a message then if you don't reply but still doing action then that sends a red flag.	
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10 Plat a day really isn't that impressive unless a day is an hr or 2. Also as long as you're not leasing mobs to get them to respawn and actually at your keyboard while farming its not bannable. Carbine(most MMOs) bot prevention/detection is normally sending a message then if you don't reply but still doing action then that sends a red flag.
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10 Plat a day really isn't that impressive unless a day is an hr or 2. Also as long as you're not leasing mobs to get them to respawn and actually at your keyboard while farming its not bannable. Carbine(most MMOs) bot prevention/detection is normally sending a message then if you don't reply but still doing action then that sends a red flag.
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I love the players who have signatures identifying themselves in the top guilds in the game talking about what "chump change" 10P is.
 
Guess what, guys, your experience is not representative of the larger playerbase.
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You should base anything you do on the high end, if someone is making 10plat an hr or 2 vs you making 10plat a day. May want to try something else.
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 :lol: Yeah, you're right. And a lot of other players have decided to try something else. When are you guys gonna learn to either stop saying this or pay for the whole game yourselves.  :rolleyes:
 
Emphasis in red is mine. I would like to think that if this game's management has learned anything at all from their post-launch experience, they would understand clearly how wrong this statement is.
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			That quote of yours, Spythe,  seems like a rephrasing of "the poor are poor because they are lazy!" and other common variations of high class because high class recursive apologetics. Which is the type of logic many "hardcore!" players use when justifying why they should be cattered for despite the fact that they are the smallest portion of a playerbase. So it's perfectly natural and, dare I say, even precise to compare what you say with them. It's basically the same thing applied to a slightly different gaming habit.	
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This is the reason I stay out of general chat, just wanted to let the OP know that making 10plat a day isn't a lot of plat for time invested. Which I even said, if that is in an hr or 2 THEN that is really good. Obliviously doing something that you find enjoyable is better even if it made less plat than spam farming modules in STL which I no longer do for farming.
 
Clearly a dude farming plat all day isn't lazy but he/she may not be spending his time optimally if their only goal is to farm/grind for plat.
 
Rather you're a HC player, non HC player, or casual it doesn't change how much plat is valued at. 
 
Please find me a quote where I said Carbine should cater to the hardcore playerbase. I would prefer if they didn't punish players that stuck around and continued to play their game but that is a different topic.	
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"Lyle, I'm telling you this operation is one hunnerd per-cent legit."
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From my experience, Spythe has been incredibly nice and helpful to non-hardcores. Making this thread about hardcore vs. casual is going the wrong direction, and he isn't the person driving it there.
 
If you read what he was saying, his original statement was that the amount of plat OP was generating shouldn't be a cause for concern. Then, when someone said hardcores have it easy, he responded by explaining just how much more hardcore folks have to grind to play- something I've never seen him complain about (not that I stalk him or read all of his posts!). It's logic- if hardcore players have to grind more plat than casuals, they don't have it easier . . .	
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Yeah, you're right. And a lot of other players have decided to try something else.
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Well it is still possible, to have like 40-50pl/day... All of course depends what is "a day". You can easily have about 5-8pl/h on STL module farm (week ago you could have 20+). You can buy and resell things on CX, same with CREEDs (for both here you need really much plat and you can easily loose). Every single "normal" in-game farm is about 2-3pl/h.
Only place you will spend plat playing normally is GA and DS, you will even earn plat in normal PT on dungs using all consumables possible.
Anther gold sink is eq upgrade, but as long as you don't have all items to do at once (last drop changes) you should have most of stuff needed and the rest should be easily tradeable for you (one sign for another, one rune fragment for different one....). Hell even with drop changes I spend like 60pl on my EQ (most of that on element changing thing - bought 20, used 1), rest simply was prepared for drop on my alt and I started collecting in September - I still have signs and RF to change all my runes once again w/o buying anything on CX. Of course I can imagine how big investment it would be on full legendary gear (partly with less than 5 sockets), without my stock of signs/runes, but still it is something you will have to do once every 3-6m. Even if you will not make any reserve of needed items, you will have to grind 250pl, so max 20pl/week, that's additional 1h gameplay every day (assuming you will sell every single RF and sign and than you should have extra plat without grinding).
 
Generally I still don't get how ppl don't have gold as doing literally no gold grind (of course I am doing some dungs) I am usually ending my day with few plat more, than day before and definitely I am not saving my gold on consumables.	
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Grinding sucks. It's not fun. I don't do it. I quest, do dailies, a dungeon here and there.  It's fun.  I make about 30g a day.
 
Screw you guys.  You're all insane.
 
edit: to clarify- there's more then two sides to this argument.  Stop whining about this imaginary "hardcore" vs "casual" nonsense and go play the game.	
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This isn't a lot relative to: fusion sign farming in malgrave, r12 survivalist farming, or housing node farming. I'm sure there are more.
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A lot doesn't really matter as much as it's something i know how to do and can do efficiently and it's worthwhile.
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If you read what he was saying, his original statement was that the amount of plat OP was generating shouldn't be a cause for concern. Then, when someone said hardcores have it easy, he responded by explaining just how much more hardcore folks have to grind to play- something I've never seen him complain about (not that I stalk him or read all of his posts!). It's logic- if hardcore players have to grind more plat than casuals, they don't have it easier . . .
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People in top guilds have vastly better gear from their raiding and/or PvP RBG roflstomping than the average player who isn't in one of those guilds.
They are also in large guilds that run 5-20 man content in a way that a smaller guild of friends can only do rarely--if at all.
Because they have better gear and more people, they can farm content in ways that are simply not possible for the rest of us. We can't match their DPS. We can't survive blows that they shrug off. It takes us longer to kill the exact same critter--presuming that we can do it at all without a large group of well-geared players.
 
The only way to match their ability is to become them. As the game's launch should clearly demonstrate, most of us simply won't do that. 
 
I do not begrudge them their better gear or larger guilds. They earn it. They work hard for it. But that doesn't change the fact that most of us do not and will not ever play the game that way. So the rate at which they can farm is simply irrelevant to most of the players of the game, and nobody--including them--should make the mistake of imagining that it is relevant. A game that treats their experience as the way to assess the health of the game's economy is a game on the fast track to closing down.
 
So the fact that they can farm at 10P/hour is not representative of the general playerbase. It's a statement of fact, not a moral judgement.
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HE used the word "hardcore" and turned this into a hardcore vs. casual thing. Not me.
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"A lot" of plat seems like a pretty relative concept to me. Is it more than what you spend and/or have normally? Then it's a lot.
 
Is $500 suddenly not a lot of money because there are CEOs who make millions in a single day? I can guarantee you $500 is a lot of money to many, many people. For me, as a teacher, that is half a month's paycheck! That's a freaking payload to me. xD	
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Well gear is not such a big deal....
Sure I can farm STL norm in less than 3min on SS with full GA gear (well something about it), but full craft gear would extend this time by 30s tops. To be honest my avg. time is much closer to 4-5mins, cuz I am writing a lot on chat during my runs.
Vet dungs, well with good PT on runed craft gear it would still be faster, than my avg. pug run, with many players I have to explain tactics or are just not ready for vets at all. Lately I was on 2,5h SSM run and 40+min STL run, the second wasn't even finished, if I feel PT can finish dung I stay and try to help (unless I don't have time for that kind of runs). Sure guild premade will do runs 1,5-2x faster, than crafted PT, but this is small part of my dung activity and you are not really making gold on vets.
Every other efficient farm is much less EQ dependent... Resources farm (mining etc.), do not depend on gear at all (well sure you can kill nodes faster, but most of time you will use to get to one), mob grind - same as mining you still need time to get to mob, sure it will be killed a bit faster, but I will not expect it to be more than 20-30% diff.
 
Generally the way grind is made in WS, player is not gaining that much from gear. I wouldn't suspect more than 30% difference on any kind of efficient gold farm.	
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What you said was:
 
"I love the players who have signatures identifying themselves in the top guilds in the game talking about what "chump change" 10P is."
 
Clearly you were referencing hardcore, even if you didn't use the word. What you said was irrelevant to the discussion, which was about whether or not OP could be suspected of exploiting. He made the point that that amount was not likely to arouse suspicion, and you jumped on him for being in the guild he's in. Yeah, frezz added the "chump change" comment, but that wasn't the original point of Spythe's post.
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			K if you want blame it all on gear go for it. I just find it funny the first thing you jump to is WELL PEOPLE CAN"T FARM LIKE YOU, yup that is the spirit.	
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I'll note that a guild premade is not gear, so your claim that anyone is blaming "it all on gear" is just silly. 
People with better tools can farm more efficiently. Gear is a type of tool. Along with runes, guild premades, efficient methodology for farming and content experience. Most people do not have all of them and sometimes they don't even have any of them. If you have the gear, the runes, the guild, the methodology and the experience, then you have the best tools for farming. Most people do not. So of course people won't be able to farm with your efficiency. That's the whole point: not everyone has those tools that you have.	
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The last time I did a guild premade for 5mans was when they put ability points in for gold medals. I just love the assumption that came out of me making a post as soon as someone realizes what guild I'm in. Instead of simply asking what to farm or how am I making plat.
 
Right now one of the most effective way of making plat is just solo farming rather that be modules, farming for signs, crafting materials, or even just salvaging. 
 
You only need to do normal STL in 5 to 6 min to reach the dungeon lock out. So people that can farm it faster save time but  their not farming more modules than a person farming it slower.
 
It just silly when someone makes a post and it instantly turns into a us(Hardcore) v them(Casual) type of debate.	
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Grinding sucks. It's not fun. I don't do it. I quest, do dailies, a dungeon here and there.  It's fun.  I make about 30g a day.
 
Screw you guys.  You're all insane.
 
edit: to clarify- there's more then two sides to this argument.  Stop whining about this imaginary "hardcore" vs "casual" nonsense and go play the game.
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Let's start from the beggining....
On early June I was able to farm 2+pl/h on mining nodes (just vendoring them) with my fresh 50 lvl char, without runes/crafted gear or whatever, just what I get during lvling.
Now you have mining circles, you can sell (most of) them higher on CX, by COD or trade, so I would guess you can get like 3,5pl/h. Fully DS geared player (assuming my 3,5pl is correct) would have like 3,6pl/h.
 
Just checked crafted gear for SS+few epics and you can buy it for about 17pl - little more searching and probably cheaper, that's less than 5h of grind.
 
I assume fresh 50 lvl char (as not having crafting gear on anything else would mean nothing more than laziness - either with farming or getting knowledge how to gear up your char efficiency) would like much more to farm dailies for rep, than mining nodes. So avg. gold gains should be around 1,5-2pl/h (depending how far some1 is on getting full crafted set) + some rune fragments/signs and sometimes epics. That would be 8-11h of dailies or a week of them.
 
Here you need some runes, I don't expect any1 to use elder set on crafted gear (well especially if some1 is complaining how extremely hard it is to farm gold), so at worse (assuming not a single RF/sign in backpack) 40pl for runes and another 5pl for unlocking slots (you can also farm STL for that - no idea what will be faster without gear). And another ~25h of dailies or 2-3 weeks.
 
At this point after month of playing avg. 2h/day you should have fully runed craft gear, CREED to play another month, some consumables for faster dungs, some experience playing your char and some friends to play with. If you fail on any of that either MMO is not type of game for you or you simply do not care (than blame only yourself).
 
Learning Vet dungs tactics is like 2-3h, learning how to do them well would take max another 12h.
 
After less (much less) than 100h spend on game (including lvling, grinding, learning), you should be doing vet dungs w/o problems. That's less than 4h/day over 1M period; less than 2h/day over 2M period or about 1h/day over 3M period.... DK what is avg. time casual player spends in MMO, but I would guess about 2h or he/she should move to another genre.
 
At this point you can farm about 5-7pl/h on STL compared to 6-8 on GA geared char and about 7-10 on DS geared char, of course the faster is the run the faster you will hit limit of resets, so GA and DS values are theoretical and will be about same as crafted gear ones. You can still farm mining nodes and get about 3,5pl/h. You can farm dailies and get up to 3pl/h. You can farm anything for few hours and try to "play CX" (here gains are kinda unlimited). You can go farm vet STL and get about 2,5pl/h (assuming no mess ups and similar geared PT, without queue time) - for fully GA geared PT it will be around 3-3,5pl. You can do dozens of other farming activities....
 
Gear affects gold farm speed only on normal STL, well by any high values and even there you will just have more free time, not necessary more gold. You have to remember, that GA/DS geared chars need modules for themselves and it's 6x more for GA gear and 18x more for DS.
 
 
Putting it into 10pl/day. 1,5h of dailies (3,5pl+drops), 2h of mining farm 7pl, so 3,5h that way or 2h on STL normal 10-14pl (depending on luck) or less than 3h of just mining farm. If it is insane for MMO, than I am living in a different world. Hard to say how much without grind, as any MMO activity is grind.... Well maybe except of doing storyline quests, but than whole WS is game for 2 weeks tops.	
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If you want to read into that statement that the reason he said it is that 10P just isn't enough to even arouse suspicion, you're welcome to do that. But he didn't actually give that reason, so I have no idea if that was his point or not.
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Putting it into 10pl/day. 1,5h of dailies (3,5pl+drops), 2h of mining farm 7pl, so 3,5h that way or 2h on STL normal 10-14pl (depending on luck) or less than 3h of just mining farm. If it is insane for MMO, than I am living in a different world. Hard to say how much without grind, as any MMO activity is grind.... Well maybe except of doing storyline quests, but than whole WS is game for 2 weeks tops.
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But it was your assumption that led to another derailment of the thread into hardcore vs casual. Again.
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			And here's me thinking I was doing ok just making 15plat a day on my SS lol........oh well	
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He just wanted to explain to the rest of us how 10P/day is really not all that hot. :lol: Thanks for being so helpful, Spythe!
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I work 8h a day and I do have a social life. That's the reason I love credd. I make more than the price of credd in a hour at work so if I'm in a huge platinum shortage, I'll help my self with a credd. I have bought 3 credd since lunch. Never farmed, never played the CX/AH and just enjoyed the content and got platinum from there. Only times that I needed some extra platinum was when I wanted something nice (dyes :P), needed (or more like wanted) to upgrade gear with expensive items and when I rolled support role for my slinger from the scratch. 
 
Farm that platinum for me and I shall give you game time!	
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It's being helpful if the concern of OP is that s/he is making too much plat and fears being banned for exploiting.
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"A lot" of plat seems like a pretty relative concept to me. Is it more than what you spend and/or have normally? Then it's a lot.
 
Is $500 suddenly not a lot of money because there are CEOs who make millions in a single day? I can guarantee you $500 is a lot of money to many, many people. For me, as a teacher, that is half a month's paycheck! That's a freaking payload to me. xD
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I didn't say he wasn't being dismissive of the amount of gold OP was farming. I said what he said was helpful (the quote I responded to- yours- was suggesting it wasn't helpful). Which it was. If I'm OP and I'm wondering if my gold farming will get me in trouble, being informed what I'm farming isn't beyond the norms is good to know. There's no reading in here.
 
Did he say it in a way that was diminishing to OP? Ask OP how OP felt. If it was, then maybe Spythe should have used different language. But at the end of the day, even if Spythe was a total jerk to OP, it has nothing to do with hardcore vs casual.
 
(FWIW, from reading Spythe's posting in the past, I know he can dash off comments that seem curt, but the reality is that he's willing to tirelessly answer the same questions over and over again and provide helpful tips to any casuals who asks. OP wouldn't necessarily know that, though).
 
People have pointed out that a level 50 in crafted gear (which anyone can acquire) can farm 10 plat a day. Probably the crafted gear part isn't even necessary really. I haven't calculated what my rate per hour is just mining circle nodes, but I could certainly generate several plat in a day naked doing that. And yet you ignore this, insisting that this somehow has to do with hardcore vs casual, when that's not even relevant.
 
If you think someone's being a jerk, call them a jerk. Fine by me. But there's no reason to insult a class of player and turn the thread into something other than helping OP.	
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Off-topic: It's all about context/emotion/intent in text. We can't really decipher those through text unless it's obviously stated, herein lies the problem. If what he said was meant in a demeaning way...like he said it in a way to shrug off what normal people make. Then i agree he's being an elitist jerk...but if he only said it to point out that the amount of plat being made wasn't something to be of concern(even though it doesn't matter if you're botting to make 1plat an hour or 10plat an hour it's still wrong). People are sensitive and defensive and quick to react to comments that can be taken in a bad way...this is the internet...we all have been there. The only person who really knows is the one who made the comment(s) to begin with and their intent on making said statements.
 
On-topic: (OP) Personally, i feel the only way you could get in trouble is if you're knowingly taking advantage of a system that wasn't intended to work that way. Contact support and ask! =D. And then after they give you the green light, tell me how you do it! =D but seriously, i've collected about maybe 15 plat in my 2 months of playing Wildstar and i don't find it easy to make plat so, i just want to know how people are making so much money! :)	
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Now my understanding of it is that you're manually inputting commands via your mouse and keyboard to kill monsters X,Y, and or Z in a routine fashion and repeating. This sounds like normal farming to me and is something I do from time to time as well. Actually I remember quite a few times people thought I was a bot because I would farm phage labs for world drop epics(before the BoP change) for hours, but it was jsut me mind numbingly farming a room all day. While a bot can do what we do, the separation is the automated input. 
 
Now going back to the Zybak example though, yes one could say that it was automated but there is more being read into that than simply the key being held down, which is that the achievement gained was not gained via a normal means. The normals means of which would be not the two individuals involved being the only contributors, the constant killing of the other individual, in addition to the abnormal input leading to the individuals death.I'm quite sure the situation would be different if they did this to a training dummy which would harbor no gain and also be read or seen as a a person just possibly testing their DPS/TPS/whatever. I feel that "botting" in their situation was used as a general term to not simply automate the input, but to automate the gain of the acheivement in an abnormal intentionally rigged manner.	
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This is a good read.
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People have pointed out that a level 50 in crafted gear (which anyone can acquire) can farm 10 plat a day. Probably the crafted gear part isn't even necessary really. I haven't calculated what my rate per hour is just mining circle nodes, but I could certainly generate several plat in a day naked doing that. And yet you ignore this, insisting that this somehow has to do with hardcore vs casual, when that's not even relevant.
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Off-topic: It's all about context/emotion/intent in text. We can't really decipher those through text unless it's obviously stated, herein lies the problem. If what he said was meant in a demeaning way...like he said it in a way to shrug off what normal people make. Then i agree he's being an elitist jerk...but if he only said it to point out that the amount of plat being made wasn't something to be of concern(even though it doesn't matter if you're botting to make 1plat an hour or 10plat an hour it's still wrong). People are sensitive and defensive and quick to react to comments that can be taken in a bad way...this is the internet...we all have been there. The only person who really knows is the one who made the comment(s) to begin with and their intent on making said statements.
 
On-topic: (OP) Personally, i feel the only way you could get in trouble is if you're knowingly taking advantage of a system that wasn't intended to work that way. Contact support and ask! =D. And then after they give you the green light, tell me how you do it! =D but seriously, i've collected about maybe 15 plat in my 2 months of playing Wildstar and i don't find it easy to make plat so, i just want to know how people are making so much money! :)
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And Sly adds his name to the list of people saying "let them eat cake". I was wondering when you'd defend Spythe by doing the same thing he's doing. Took you longer than I expected.
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I agree that the general playerbase doesn't farm 10 plat a day. I don't think anyone said they did. But they all have the opportunity to do it if they put in the time.
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Hardcore.  :lol:
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Well, yeah. If you are hardcore about earning plat then you are spending several hours a day to get to that 10 plat number- which is what it sounds like OP is doing.
 
Now if s/he is earning 10 plat in an hour or two, then that's another story altogether.
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WHAT? O_O You only make 1k a month as a teacher? You gotta provide more context with that statement lol! 1k a month is less than minimum wage (atleast here, but probably anywhere). Provided you're not a substitute teacher on contract for supplemental income i'd say this is complete BS. Sorry to go off-topic but this is the problem with our society =( and teachers have it rough. 
 
Edit(to clarify): Not that your statement of making 1k a month is BS...but just that they can pay you so little and get away with it.
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For the record, there's two people in this thread who disagree with you and I on that one. As far as they're concerned, 10P/day? Eh. No big deal. *yawn* 
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As near as I can tell, *everyone* in the thread agrees that 10 plat an hour would be impressive and 10 plat over several hours in a single day is something that normal people can achieve.
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HARDCORE!
 
What? No, I have no point. I just wanted to shout that. Makes me feel all warm inside.	
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Ohhhhh... Of course. When you said that 10P/day was hardcore, I should have realized that to you, that's not a compliment. Being hardcore isn't impressive, not being hardcore is choosing mediocrity. Silly me, what was I thinking.  :rolleyes:
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No. I'm not hardcore. I play the game the way I like, and it's not hardcore. So why would I think it's choosing mediocrity to not be hardcore? I don't think I've chosen mediocrity. I think I've chosen what's fun for me. And no, I don't make 10 plat a day because I don't care to. Sure I could, but I wouldn't find it fun.
 
Listen to how OP described the way s/he grinds:
 
"I'm glad i figured this out because it allows me to "Grind" the way that I used to in korean MMOs, able to become "mind numbed" and almost automtically repeat the task for hours and hours.
Its relaxing and rewarding feeling."
 
That doesn't sound the least bit fun to me, and yeah, if you want to use the word, it's kind of "hardcore" in my book. But for him/her, it's "relaxing and rewarding". It's a perfectly valid play style.
 
Anyone can make that level of plat if they choose. I think most choose not to.
 
Anyway, from what I can tell, OP wasn't bragging about pulling in an awesome amount of plat per hour played, but rather happy that he/she could do it in a way that was relaxing and fun.
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Just to confirm that I understand correctly how you're using the word "choice" here, am I right in thinking that you could also climb Mount Everest but choose not to?
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No. That's not even close to the way I'm using the word "choice". Not even sure where you are getting that.
 
I have no reason to believe I can climb Mount Everest. I have not done any climbing in my life on a scale that extrapolates to that feat.
 
I HAVE gotten plat in Wildstar at a rate that would directly extrapolate to 10 plat per day if I were to keep doing it.
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The time and willpower needed to sustain an activity until you reach the goal is a major part of what you need to have to do it. If you don't have the time to sit around all day farming STL, or it would be so gruelingly boring to you that you'd rather not even play the game at all than do that, saying that you're "choosing" not to do it makes a mockery of the word "choice".
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Even though SlyJeff has "officially" left the conversation "in the name of pacifism", I will still point out for the future readers of this topic that willpower and time were certainly never the issue. It is all a matter of effort. People don't want to invest that type of effort for the reward they get. He has supported this during the whole discussion, and as proof I offer these two quotes from him. I believe this, joined with his last post above mine, should be enough to illustrate his thoughts (emphasis is mine):
 
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The point is that it's easily achievable to farm several plat a day for the average player in this game if that's what he or she wants to do. I don't do it because it doesn't sound fun at all and it isn't necessary. OP is enjoying it. Spythe finds it necessary. But yeah, if you want to farm 10 plat a day, you can give up a node on your house or whatever if that's what you want to do. Nothing's preventing it.
 
I agree that the general playerbase doesn't farm 10 plat a day. I don't think anyone said they did. But they all have the opportunity to do it if they put in the time.
 
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But I don't *want* to do it. Time and willpower isn't the issue. The effort isn't worth the reward to me. So I don't do it. That's the essence of choice.
 
Anyway, even though Spythe has unlimited virtual poporn, I'm going to do my best to extricate myself here. I'm a peacemaker by nature and I hate seeing unnecessary division among people. But it seems it cannot be helped and it's really tilting at windmills to continue.
 
OP: I hope you got the answer you were looking for, and I'm glad you've found a way to play the game the way you enjoy. I hope nothing in this discussion has taken away from that and you keep on keeping on.
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Edit: actually, no, I won't get drawn back into this.
 
Only points I want to make are- I wasn't trying to defend Spythe. I was trying to prevent an unnecessary argument about casual vs hardcore. I failed.
 
Regarding definitions of choice, that's a whole other discussion I don't want to get into.	
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Edit: actually, no, I won't get drawn back into this.
 
Only points I want to make are- I wasn't trying to defend Spythe. I was trying to prevent an unnecessary argument about casual vs hardcore. I failed.
 
Regarding definitions of choice, that's a whole other discussion I don't want to get into.
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I will still point out for the future readers of this topic that willpower and time were certainly never the issue. It is all a matter of effort.
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Having seen your statements prior to your edit, I would call that wise.
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To be clear- what I meant in the previous statement was that in *my* case when it came to *my* actions, I choose not to farm because the effort was not worth the reward. I have the time and I have the willpower, just not the desire.
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I think there are a lot of words that carry different meanings to you and I. I certainly haven't misrepresenting anything on purpose.
 
I have done my dead level best to be courteous and constructive. It hasn't turned out that way.
 
I'm guessing you and I have fundamental views that will not see eye to eye, and I can live with that.	
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