Misscliks Devotion: Episode 14

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==Transcript==
:This is a Q&A Episode
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Q: How did Kellen and Olivia meet? -Anna
Anna: I don't know if we ever established it really.
Neal: No, so we had established that Olivia used to date a half-orc but they somehow split up for some reason and then she came to one of
your shows and then it's kind of...
Gen: Yep. So after the half-orc, I left him for another man, I can invent right now. Can we roll for race?
Neal: Let's see let's do 1 through 5 is human cuz they're the most common. Then a 6 for a halfling, 7 for a dwarf, 8 for a gnome, 9 for a half-orc, and 10 for something really wild and out there.
Gen rolls a 10 in Roll20
Neal: Ooh! Something really wild and out there.
Gen: Who was I dating, Neal?
Neal: I think you were dating someone that you thought was a human and then later it turned out that they were a werewolf.
Gen: Alright, so after the half-orc that I started dating... Oh! Can we roll for the sex as well? I expect her to be with a man, but I think we should give some range for a woman as well.
Neal: I'm gonna let you decide what that range is. So announce it, and then roll a die.
Gen: Let's do a D6 and I guess if it's a 5 or a 6 it'll be a woman, and if it's the other things it will be a man.
Gen rolls a 2 in Roll20
Gen: It was a man werewolf. Alright, so after the half-orc, Olivia ditched him, started dating a really, way more normal human, turned out to be a werewolf. So I met Anna's character Kellen while I was actually following this new guy who I was dating named Claude, who happens to be a werewolf. And I guess I found out he was a werewolf, and I tried to make it work for a while, but it was really weirding me out, I felt that he hid something from me, and that was not cool at all with me. We ended up at this show on our date night trying to make things work, and at this show there was this gorgeous looking elf that was playing a magical song, spoken words, touched my heart.
Anna: Oh yeah.
Gen: I had to leave the werewolf for Kellen.
Anna: Did you officially break up with him or did you ghost him?
Gen: I ghosted him. He's a werewolf.
Anna: Werewolfism can happen to anybody, it's happened to a lot of my characters.
Gen: I wrote in my bio that Claude the werewolf was really a big fan of you by the way, Kellen. He actually introduced me to you.
Neal: So he was a fan was like "Hey Olivia, come to this show with me. These guys are great." And then Olivia comes and totally falls for the lead singer of the show, and then leaves him.
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Q: They're a band right? What type of music are they playing? - DJ Sylvia
Anna: It's interesting because we've created this world where we play medieval instruments. I play a hurdy-gurdy and a lute and Kes plays an ocarina, and so we have medieval instruments, but the way we talk about our music is almost as though it's hipster alternative, I think, but we're famous for spoken word, which nobody else is doing, it's a brand new thing. So spoken word, like poetry music. But I think I picture our musical style is kind of like hipster folky alternative. Gen, what do you think our musical style?
Gen: The musical style, that's definitely like... how would we describe it today? Like you know, this kind of weird music, I guess it's experimental. I would imagine that today's equivalent would be an experimental music where you have soundtracks with something that kind of sounds like water than wind and a weird whistling sound.
Neal: Weird new agey stuff.
Gen: Like alternative new age rhythmic things. Like whispering words in there that mean kind of nothing.
Anna: Yeah I think that's totally true, and I think that I get the sense that we are kind of a hipster pop band that pay the bills with our hits that are digestible, but then at every show we're putting in some very artsy experimental thing.
Gen: That people don't really get them.
Anna: Yeah they don't, but they put up with it because they like our big hits, you know. Pound the Table, Sing the Song.
Gen: Yeah. Like Pound the Table, Sing the Song.
Anna: I think that Thoughts on a Brick Road in the Dark of Night is probably our only crossover success.
Gen: Yeah I agree. That is how you got me. That was the song that made Olivia go for it.
Anna: So that's why we're so close, because she really gets the experimental music.
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Q: What is Olivia's idea of a perfect date? - Neal
Gen: Perfect date for Olivia. I think it would be something that you really surprises her and takes her out of her comfort zone. So she would have issues telling you what's her perfect date, because as soon as she told this it kind of loses its magic. It has to be unexpected for her to really enjoy it.
Anna: Oh she likes spontaneity.
Gen: Yeah. Doing crazy things that could be memorable. I could try to come up with an example. Yeah, I could imagine one day she would think that she took this routine or at that she's on this journey and listen her boyfriend will go like "you know what today, screw this. We're stealing a horse or buying a horse or whatever." Either one could work out for her, even thought she's a good person. I'm pretty sure she could roll with this because it's spontaneous, it's passionate, and if you like "You know what, you remember this one time where we talked about the sunset on the mountain, let's go there." But it could also be like "You know what, let's cross this desert and go see this undead shrine that's whatever whatever magic thing is in it." There could be anything surprising.
Anna: I think Kellen's idea of a perfect date is creating art together.
Neal: It's like sitting down and writing some things out?
Anna: Like anything. Singing a song together, spontaneously dancing. Anything that creates art collaboratively, that's his perfect date. Or just deep deep deep philosophical discussion. But he likes being spontaneous for Olivia too, he likes basically just making her happy as he's a an entertainer right so as much as he likes to say he's an artist he doesn't care what people think and he just does his art really he likes to please people so the whole reason Olivia holds all the money and all of that is he actually doesn't care about anything as long as she's happy with him.
Neal: So for Kellen the perfect date would be something creative or something that would please Olivia.
Anna: Yeah we're deep. This is good because now Kellen knows what to do to make Olivia happy.
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Q: I've disliked 50% of every season of Missclicks I've seen, I've only seen the Pirate, Demigods, Outbreak and Seaborn and I've only liked the last two. How would you three sell this to me as something I should watch, and also what is this even about? - Gorerock
Anna: The first piece of advice is twitch is full of content that you either like or don't like, and that's totally gonna be on you. I don't like a lot of streams on Twitch too, so I don't watch them. So if you don't like this story, then great there's like tons of other ones because. We've been playing for four years. I'm really glad you like 50% of them because that's actually a really good success ratio.
Anna: It's interesting though that you feel like the most recent ones are the most entertaining for you, because I've actually been really curious. For all of our fans over the years, which seasons they find the most compelling? Because I think for me, this is one of the most fun and most entertaining. Pirates edition was hands-down the most entertaining for me. I would say, and let's see if I had to pick one more, I'd probably pick Demigods.
Anna: In terms of selling it to you, I probably won't. But I'll tell you why this season is really fun for me. Because I think the best thing about missclicks D&D shows for me has always been relationships, and we set out very intentionally to make this show about convoluted and complex and clearly defined relationships. Whether that be brother and sister, or romantic, or even relationships to bandmates, or to other competing bands, we set out to make it very clear the motivations of motivations of each character in the context of other characters which I find really fun and really fascinating and is rife for humour which ends up being the thing that I do in D&D most often because I I feel the most entertained by Dungeons & Dragons when it's funny so I like this show because it allows our characters to be a little bit one-dimensional and a little bit defined in a way that I find really really entertaining.
Anna: And the synopsis of what it's about is we are a band. A brother and sister act that split off from their parents they used to be a family act they kind of went to prove themselves. And Kellen, my character who's an elf is dating Olivia our band manager who's a human my sister Kes is dating our bodyguard we've now made him Ransom, who's a human. and then we have an nemesis band called Koibus Khorus who sings Gregorian chant which we think is so lame, and we've had some enemies who have become friends. So there's there's a whole lot to catch up on but I'm really enjoying this season because of how it doesn't have to be taken too seriously I guess. Do you guys have you guys have a answer to that question?
Neal: I think but I agree with you that the relationships is what sets Devotion apart, but I also feel this allows that that sort of focus on relationships, and that sort of whimsical this is kind of a goofy show because you know we're dating and we're playing in this band. I think that goofiness really opens the door to do a lot more fun things. We're not so focused on combat and so people tend to get a little bit more. The personalities come out a little bit more when you're not so much like "oh well I want to use this piece of equipment specifically because I want this combat bonus". It's a lot more like "oh I'm totally gonna dress like this because I want to put on a show for my people", or I'm gonna behave in this way that might not be optimal because it's more fun to roleplay and I feel it's been really bringing out the role-playing to life, which I feel is the heart of any RPG is the actual role-playing. I feel it strongest in this show.
Anna: It's interesting too because role-playing is a really good way to explore things about yourself. Put yourself in situations you would never be in or make yourself work through the perspective of a character that you're not and especially being entertainers all of us on some level on the show it's kind of fun to explore why people are entertainers and how they feel as entertainers and what that means in D&D. That's been really fun for me.
Neal: I hadn't thought of that before but that's a really cool way of looking at it.
Anna: Yeah, it's actually been really therapeutic for me because our team has at Twitch Studios has had a lot of discussions about what do we make content for, and what's the kind of content that we have to make, versus what we want to make, versus when is something good and when is something bad, and how far can you go until you're just being actually a huge snob about your art. There's a difference between demanding high quality and just being super holier than thou and" I understand art better than you". So playing with Kellen that way has been really really interesting and therapeutic for me.
Gen: I would also mirror the sediment about Pirate Edition. It was really special. That was really cool. You were all super close in it. It was like Stephanie's first character. We had tragic moments. I felt we were building something, your characters were evolving, so that was really really nice. I also did really like Seaborn, personally, I thought it was cool the whole base thing. I really dig the idea of building a civilization almost. It's tough to make it happen. And I would give a special shout-out to the amnesia short.
Anna: Oh that one was fun. I forgot about that one.
Gen: I kind of liked that as an interlude. A kind of mystery murder. Y ou know you don't know who's who.
Anna: I loved that character - what the heck was her name? Sage or something, she was like a hippie dippie.
Gen: I like that world, that was cool.
Anna: Akita86 reminded me that I changed my name all the time when I was in Amnesia that's why I don't remember my name because I remember I just made up names. Like my name is Mushroom, my name is Sunshine. I just adopted names every single episode, and there was someone who kept track of them all (EtoileLion on reddit).
Neal: Amnesia was good.
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Q: Have you ever thought about having Guy Claypool and his drummer join your band? - Gloomoo
Neal: Well I do want to say that the storyline is slowly moving in that direction, it's definitely not something that's gonna be forced on the players, but they've been following you around and trying to learn from you as best as possible. And eventually I think they're gonna want to join the band. You know guy Claypool he not only sings, but he does upright bass. And bash Rockstorm is a decent drummer, or he will be eventually. So I think that's one of those things that will be coming up for the review in the future.
Anna: It's also interesting to me to hear what the chat or the viewers think of how Kellan sees Guy Claypool because I think there's some really interesting subtext that I'm hinting at but I don't know is coming across.
Neal: I don't even want to acknowledge them. I think acknowledging the subtext might bring it to light and ruin it.
Anna: I know but I just I'm always curious what the viewers think is going on in those relationships too, and I would say that my only answer to that is that I doubt the Guy Claypool and the drummer who it's really funny that no one remembers his name, Bash Rockstorm, aren't going anywhere anytime soon, and they certainly wouldn't leave the band without a big plot point happening, I would say. What do you think Gen, anything you want to say about Guy Claypool or Bash Rockstorm?
Gen: I think Olivia kind if digged them, but when she realized they kind of stucked, I think she digs less. They're nice, I think she appreciates the attention, and that she thinks they think she's attractive, but I think it's kind of just...
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Q: There's a pretty different relationship style between Kellan and Olivia versus Kes and Ransom. Kes and Ransom are almost like the old married couple. They're a lot slower, and they'll go for a walk and watch the sunset, and then just kind of hang out together. And the two of you have a much more wild, kind of passionate, sort of relationship. How do you feel about the differences between your your two parallel relationships? -Neal
Gen: It's a Commons folk relationship in Olivia's eyes. No passion, no intensity, no interest.
Anna: Not everyone can be in love like us, you know.
Gen: She gets bored pretty quickly, so she's already bored of their relationship, that's for sure.
Anna: I think Kellen just wants his sister to be happy and secure, so he's like "Well she seems to be happy and she knows what she wants so that's fine like if that works for her". I think Kellen respects him, he thinks that Ransom is good at certain things, but the things that Kellen cares about Ransom doesn't care about, and vice-versa. So I think it's like Kellen doesn't think he and Ransom are ever gonna be BFFs. He just is kind of like "well you make my sister happy so I like you I guess".
Gen: I think Olivia I kinda find it's finds it entertaining when Ransoms not that nice to Kes.
Anna: Really?
Gen: Slightly entertaining, a little bit of drama when she's bored.
Anna: I think we both like drama definitely. I do think that both of us think our relationship is way more real than theirs.
Gen: I mean it is clearly the superior relationship. 
Anna: Right. Which is probably immature, like you said. I think our characters, not even necessarily immature, but just their way of thinking about relationships is less mature. The idea, at least from Anna's viewpoint, the idea of a relationship being based on just how you feel is a more limited and less mature way of thinking about a relationship. Where maybe Kes and Ransom have a more thinking about being partners, thinking about being committed, a step further in terms of a long-term real partnership type of relationship. Where ours is more "fireworks and romance and blah-de-blah".
Gen: I don't think Olivia's thinking long-term, but at the same time I don't think she's a type of character to think long term. If she's happy now it doesn't matter if she thinks she'll be happy in this situation tomorrow.
Anna: Yeah and that totally keeps Kellen on his toes because he's constantly a little afraid that Olivia is just gonna lose interest in him and that would devastate his self-esteem.
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Q: Olivia, what would cause you to lose interest in Kellen? - Neal
Gen: I think if things get too stale, I think my character is going to get really bored, and start looking for her own trouble, whatever that means. If he would stop trying to make her entertained, that could also be a go, too. I guess at some point the stars align, and something really impresses her, or triggers her. She's always looking for passion so if something crazy, wild, unexpected, sexy, happens I think she would go for it. I think it's a feeling thing, so when I'll feel it for her I'll make her go for it. It could also be with Kellen right. It doesn't have to be with someone else. She could suddenly go like "You know what? Lets gets married."
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Q: When you eventually fight a bardic lich how pissed will you be when you die? - Charos14
Anna: There's a lot to this question, I don't know that we will ever fight a bardic lich. If we do, we will probably die and I will not be that pissed because I'm used to it by now. Gen what do you think?
Gen: I'm going to be pissed. I'm always pissed.
Anna: Yeah. Gen's always mad. 
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Q: The last one was kind of a joke but this one is serious how do you feel about Akuba having monstrous creatures like goblins, orcs, and such - Charos14
Anna: I feel having monstrous creatures anywhere we go is expected at this point.
Gen: I enjoy having weird creatures. I really like, by the way Neal, the new world that we are exposed to, with your accent, and the way your called a mushroom an umbrella something.
Neal: His Common is not great, so he keeps talking about things yeah. I have fun with that but I can really only do that one accent so all my things end up eventually just evolving towards that because I'm really bad.
Gen: It's fine. It's Akuban, Neal.
Neal: But it's also the same accent I've used for elves and other campaigns, and it all just kind of blends together. I need to work on my voices.
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Q: Charos14 clarifies that they were talking about having these monstrous creatures in the cities in Akuba. Like that there are goblins in the bar as opposed out in the forest. So do you have anything to say about why Akuba is that way? - Charos14
Neal: One of the problems that I struggle with in D&D campaigns is making things feel foreign enough. It's especially hard cross-racially when you're dealing with like humans and elves. 
Neal: I've lately been having elves not as playable characters, outside of this campaign, because I want to create the allure of elves as this weird mysterious race. I think the fact that they live to be so long really would change the way they view the world, and so with respect to elves I've tried to expect to all these races in foreign areas I've been trying to make them feel different and outlandish and you go there like "wow that's weird". Elves aren't playable because I want my elves to have this viewpoint of these really strange creatures that just don't care about what's happening because they live you know a thousand years and so "oh you know whatever, there's a famine right now, that's fine, we've got food supplies. We're prepared for the next 600 years anyway."
Neal: I wanted to Akuba to have the feeling of that same sort of wonderment, and culturally it's hard to create that sort of wonderment right away for players when they walk in. It's difficult to describe an entire culture and a few sentences in a D&D campaign. So I was having monstrous races around as that sort of 'culture shock' moment of "what the hell there's goblins in here and everyone's fine with that, but they're evil monsters and they smell bad and there they're always attacking things" so I'm using them to create to build the Akuba Kingdom as this bizarre place that doesn't quite meet your existing expectations.
Neal: The same thing with the bartender asking you to pay money to perform, There it's like they have a different culture. You don't pay performers. Performers pay you to play in your venue, and so I'm trying to mix it up, and actually make it feel different. Not just different from our current world, but different from the campaign area that they players came from. That's a long answer.
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Q: Have you guys ever played other tabletops other than D&D? - DJ Sylvia
Anna: The answer is yes. Quick list we played a ton of dungeon world as one-offs on this channel. Played monsterhearts here. You guys think of any others, I'm not thinking of right now?
Neal: I don't know about on Misscliks.
Gen: Well different Editions, like 5th edition, 2nd.
Neal: I've dabbled in a few other campaign styles. Pendragon.
Anna: Apocalypse world. We play apocalypse world every Thursday. Not "we" but Misscliks.
Gen: This campaigns is a bit different too. We're doing this special levelling up system.
Anna: You guys tell me is an Neal edition.
Neal: It's been rough not having all of you guys in the game at the same time because then the level ups are so sporadic. We can't do the voting mechanic when people aren't around. I do like the level of mechanic here. I think it is's a much better way of doing things because then the party's not like "oh let's chase those guys down for the experience points" because you kind of just grow together. So I really like this. You just decide when you want to level up mechanic. I think I might use it in other campaigns.
Gen: I'm more of the slow level-up kind.
Anna: I like there is voting too. I like that the chats involved.
Gen: I don't think I'll ever be the first one to say "Lets Level Up". I'll be the one who is "of course not what is wrong with you people?"
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Q: Did Brimstone actually break out of the volcano or did the wizard Barthas successfully switch bodies with the dragon? - Knives and Sane
Neal: Trump had these visions of what was going to happen. You guys told the dragon what was going on and Brimstone knew ahead of time not to just stand there while Barthas did his wish spell.
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Q: Is Kellen bi or gay? - Charos14
Anna: I kind of feel like this; if I were to say, might spoil some of the fun tension that were potentially building. Also I will say though that when I set out with the character, I wasn't positive. I kind of do that with a lot of characters, where I start out with kind of a basic framework and allow them to kind of tell me who they are as I play them. So I didn't know at first, I'm not even positive that I know for sure now, but Kellen is in the midst of telling me.
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Q: Are you able to list the seasons and Misscliks in with in which Geoff made an appearance and/or took a main role because let's face it your husband is pretty amazing hence one of the reasons you put a ring on it. -Gorac
Anna: He has been in a whole bunch. He's guested and he also DMed one.
Gen: Spec Person the Third.
Anna: He came on and played Spec Person the Third, one of his trademark characters. He there was there's a one-off called "Misscliks Dungeon World: iNcontroL Edition". He deemed that was really fun. There was a lot of poop talk, as usual. I think every video that we have had him in, if I've done it, I've tagged Geoff Robinson in it. So if you search "Missclicks Geoff Robinson" or "Misscliks iNcontroL" on YouTube you should probably be able to find it.
Anna: Oh yeah, Geoff played is a duck when Maude was our DM. In mod system she created her own system that's basically just tons of d20 roles. She was like "from 1 to 5 you're a human from 5 to 10-year an elf from 10 to 15 you're blah blah blah blah blah and if you roll a 20 you are what Geoff?" And Geoff was like "a duck" she's like "okay a duck". And he rolled the 20, so he played the whole time as a duck. Yeah it was great.
Gen: There was this one session where him I did the DM.
Anna: Yeah, the mermaid adventure. That was so fun.
Gen: I thought it was special, stressful, interesting.
Anna: And Neal helped you, right? He helped you prep and everything?
Gen: I think for the monsters or was it Stephen?
Neal: I think Stephen helped you.
Gen; Yeah, Stephen help me figure out the roles for the monsters and stuff. Gave me a couple references because we did 5th Edition, I think. I improvise a lot of shit to be honest. I had four or five templates evil creatures which I knew where-ish I wanted to put them, and then I kind of winged it. When I felt the party was doing too well, I can just threw in a little bit more.
Anna: Yeah
Anna: BossBedlam reminded me that Geoff played a Minotaur in Pirate Edition. I named Maribel after him. Tyrant. Maribel Tyre. A lot of my characters are actually derivative of Geoff, which is really embarrassing because I want to be my own creative person, but I just like him so much. My original username was uNcontroLable, which was very derivative of iNcontroL.
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Q: What would be necessary for Kellen to leave Olivia? - Neal
Anna: There's not a whole lot that Olivia could do that would make Kellan get bored with her because part of what he likes her is he desperately needs her approval. I think if she was unfaithful to him it would cause a really big dramatic thing, but I think if she begged him for forgiveness he could probably come around to it, so I don't think that would be "the end" and I think it would just be "so dramatic".
Anna: I think that one of the only things I've identified is if Kellan felt, because his relationship is so based on feelings, that if he felt more loyal or drawn to somebody or something else, that Olivia and she forced him to choose, that he might be unable to choose her.
Neal: So if something can happen between Kes and Olivia, like if they had a big fight and didn't want to stay together as a party?
Anna: Probably yeah. But I don't even I mean like that that's the "classic family versus romance" thing. I think that's almost every character, but I even mean that if Kellen fell for someone else.If he couldn't help it and it was just tearing him apart emotionally, but even then maybe not, I'm not positive. But that would be in a compelling because, like I said, because he's so wrapped up in his own emotions and he thinks that's the most real thing in the world is how you feel about something, you know.
Gen: When you want to be with two people at a time?
Anna: Oh, I don't know! I've never asked Kellen that. Interesting. I don't know though, because he's definitely really jealous because whenever Olivia's flirting with someone else, he's never like "oh that's okay that's just her I know she comes home to me". He's very jealous. I don't know if he could handle that.
Gen: Think about it. Maybe some day the'll have that talk.
Anna: I guess so. I know they've been dropping lots of bombs on each other.
Gen: Yeah. I'm still trying to figure out how Olivia feels about the whole baby thing.
Anna: Yeah I know that's fun.
Gen: That's good.
Anna: That was out of nowhere, by the way. I didn't premeditate that at all.
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Q: Neal, how much of your being put upon by the cast is real, and how much of it is for entertainment or do you want to say?-Anna
Neal: What do you mean by being put upon?
Anna: Like when we're like "oh we're gonna name the banaNARS" and you're like "ugh". I imagine that there's a part of you that actually is annoyed by that, and there's a part of you that's like "I have to play the straight man to their ridiculousness for entertainment value", because I'm really interested in playing D&D as entertainment and how people don't recognize that is actually very different than playing D&D for fun.
Neal: Right. I struggle to walk that line. Most of it is me but being "that name is ridiculous, you guys are stupid, banaNARS is a dumb name for a boat, let's have some serious role-playing going on right here guys". I would prefer a more serious campaign, where everyone's taking things very literally, and stressing out over these things, and I think it's nice to have people being wacky and goofy, and it kind of helps pull me back from my "holier than thou, my art is my own and you guys are doing it wrong" moments.
Neal: So most of it is honest. Maybe a few times I'll ham it up, but it's good. You need people to balance you out, and you guys are just stupid enough to balance me out.
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Q: If you have to pick one guest, who would you pick to come on the show?
Neal: I have a guest I would want to come on the show. It would be Rob. You guys don't know him. He's not a streamer. He's an old friend of mine back when we used to play in game in person together, and he plays on it with my Sunday group most of the time. He's the best role player I know. He's fantastic.
Anna: What makes him so good?
Neal: He's just really into the characters and the personality, and he's creative and clever and quick, and he's been playing this game for a long time. I would love to bring him on but we would need to do it on a Kellan Olivia one-off or something. SO he can properly mess with your relationship.
Anna: That'd be really fun. I'm totally down.
Neal: If we could get Rob coming to reprise his role as Kourie Silvertongue I think I think that'd be pretty good.
Anna: I would if I could have one guest I would have Vin Diesel, because he plays D&D, and I like the movie xXx, even though it's not a good movie. I don't know, I'd have to think about it. I mean I don't know, there's tons of people I gonna have as guests. That's just one that I think it would be hilarious if we could ever pull it off.
Anna: I want Stephanie Harvey to come back and guest. That's what I actually want.
Gen: I want to play with Ryan!
Anna: Oh my gosh yes! I've never gotten to play with him.
Gen: I wanted to the Battle of the Ones. I have a dream where you guys are gonna roll and it's gonna be amazing, either your Karma's are gonna clash together and make you roll twenties all night.
Anna: That's what I'm saying.
Gen: Or you're gonna fall into the deep deep hole of "one hell" together and it's going to be so good.
Anna: That's that's why I want to play with him, because I feel maybe the universe, like the weight of our terrible luck together would be too much for the universe to bear and some sort of event would happen.
Gen: And all the other would get the ones as well.
Anna: Yeah I don't know.
Gen: I would like to play with Ryan. I kind of have a dream that he would play Bregor again.
Anna: I love when characters make cameos, when you bring back old characters I love that.
Gen: I think Varnouche is like my favorite character ever. They kind of just always wanna bring him back. I understand him so well. He's not me, which makes him super interesting.
Anna: Neal do you have a favorite character like that you're one like that that's all wait you always go back to?
Neal: I don't play enough to happen.
Anna: Yeah you DM.
Neal: Yeah.
Anna: What about him... I'm forgetting his name right now, but this guy?
Neal: Uncle Oris.
Gen: I love Uncle Oris. 
Neal: I kind of feel the way about Uncle Oris that George Lucas feels about Star Wars. I was really enjoying playing Uncle Oris and then I feel the viewers took him and ran with him in a way that stopped making him my own, and I'm just kind of content to leave and be on the side of the road. Other people's expectations of them are different from what I expect.
Anna: That's you know that's the thing with D&D characters I feel when you make them such a part of other people's lives that they take them on and feel they know them better than you know them, it's sad but it's also a success, ya know?
Neal: Yeah.
Anna: Plus you've also you've put something out in the world that people adopted.
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Q: Is there any problems you have with either Kes or Ransom that could be explored or expanded on? - Neal.
Anna: Kellen doesn't think that Ransom has an artistic bone in his body, and that's very frustrating to him. In that he thinks that he just doesn't almost it's almost like Ransoms crazy, because he doesn't even think about the world the same way that Kellen does. So he's either nuts or he's just a nonentity in a lot of cases. But then he does save Kellen from a lot of bad situations because he actually does understand the world in a way that Kellen doesn't, so in those situations he respects him, even though he just doesn't get it.
Neal: Right.
Anna: I think that Kellen may be struggling with his relationship with Kes, because they've always been so close, but all of a sudden they have these significant others that they're pouring all of their attention into. So Kes and Kellen only work together you know they mean they don't like spend time together or talk about things deeply. So I think that his relationship with her might be struggling, even though they've always been really really close.
Neal: Olivia, how do you feel about Kes and Ransom? There anything there that we could get into in further episodes?
Gen: Yeah, for sure. That is a good question. She probably thinks Kes is boring. If Kes would start spending a lot of time with Kellen and take his attention away from Olivia, or try to make him come to senses and realize that Olivia is not all that, she would get really annoyed.
Gen: And I think that's Ransom, while he's kind of mean sometimes, I think she kind of likes the entertainment value of Ransoms actions sometimes. And he's pretty strong, right? So I think, in a weird scenario she could be into him temporarily at some point, and that could be really interesting. But I think it hasn't happened at all. He hasn't taken her the right way for this to happen.
Neal: Okay. All right, I'm satisfied then.
Anna: Neal's got all the potential drama he needs. I'm interested in Neal, cuz you said that you prefer more serious campaigns what's satisfying about this campaign if anything for you, Since it's by nature a little bit sillier?
Neal: It puts me out of my comfort zone and makes me do things I'm not always good with, which is great either like a practice, and it's kind of fun when you're doing things that are outside of your normal zone of doing things.
Anna: Yeah. For example, Kellan's voice is way outside the normal zone of my voice, and it's wreaking havoc on my voice. It takes me a whole day to come back from it.
Gen: You turn into your character.
Anna: Well it's really easy for me to slip into valley girl speak naturally, so there's that that doesn't go away for day, but it's also like it's way down in my throat in here, and I'm actually a natural like singing soprano, so it takes a toll on my vocal cords actually.
Neal: What's the difference between you and Kellan? Can you do it for us?
Anna: So Kellan like way down here, like way in the back of your throat, so it's like your throats like closed kind of errrrrr, like it's you know. So I put like a lot of strain right here on my vocal cords where as I speak way more up in my like soft palate naturally, kind of. As singer that's why you're supposed to sing is up here, you know? So it's actually an interesting exercise for me to see if I'm strengthening or hurting my voice. I'm trying to be really conscious of how, because I'm interested in a amateur voice acting, so it's an interesting thing for me.
Neal: You've also done some singing in the past, and produce some original, not compositions, but lyrics to songs and perform them. Is there any chance we could get a Kes & Kellan actual song done?
Anna: You know I've actually been thinking about that because I started it out being like "oh no I'm just gonna improvise random lyrics all the songs" which has been kind of fun, but I think it'd be even more fun if I were actually singing, cuz usually I'm just kind of like play singing like "Lala you know like mm-hmm", but I think if I already take tunes from current songs and make lyrics to them for the show, that I could actually sing and improvise lyrics at the same time. So I've been thinking about that and debating whether that's like whether that would be a fun addition, or whether it would be like the easy way out, you know what I mean?
Neal I think it would be fun to do at least do one or two, see where they go.
Gen: I think that Olivia could contribute some lyrics eventually.
Anna: Yeah. Oh my gosh we should write lyrics together.
Gen: She could like write a song for her boyfriend, I think.
Anna: Even if we stumbled upon like okay this, to the tune of a whole new world from Aladdin, and we're singing a song that we make up lyrics to, and then we it like sticks as one of our hits, you know. Then I could totally see us recording a version of it.
Gen: We should start marking real songs.
Neal: Well I have some fun mechanics coming up for the next few sessions that I will hopefully get us moving slowly in a direction like that, I think. That'll really play off with its double bard we've got going on.
Anna: I'm just saying that Neal, it's okay if things are just okay sometimes too, like if our relationship is just okay, and we just have to fight some monsters, that's okay. It doesn't have to be super you know.
Neal: This is not for relationship mechanics this is singing mechanics. Oh I've also got plans to ruin your relationships, that's we got plans for everything. We got plans for all sorts of good stuff. I actually wrote a not quite a song-poemy thing. I had a artistic composition for today's session but then today sessions got cancelled so I will have to recycle it for another session.
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