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The extent of the sentience/sapience for Veggies seems like it's played for comedic effect in-game, even if it's a dark sort of comedy. I also don't recall thinking much of it because I could have swore I saw Exile and Dominion farms alike that grew and ate Veggies, so it didn't strike me as an Aurin-only thing. (Much in the same vein that I don't solely criticize the Dominion for their antics involving the indigenous races of Nexus, I've seen how both sides have dealt with the Falkrin for example.) As well, I was pretty sure I encountered at least one tribe of Draken early on that looked like they were killing and eating Aurin (at the very least they were hoarding their body parts for *something*). Sure, Chua get killed and eaten too (and manage to make it even darker comedy than the Veggies), but I recall it was by one of the said indigenous races, whereas I don't think I've come across Chua being eaten by Exiles (yet) or how Chua in general aren't terribly concerned about their mortality-rate anyway. So even when it comes to the whole "meat is literally murder" joke in this case, it seems the Dominion still found a way to one-up the Exiles.
 
There are Veggies around one farm in Auroria; this also happens to be the farm of a rogue family that hunts and eats PEOPLE (whom you as a dominion player bring to justice). Again, see CRBHernCO's Lore drop, he explains this, and even entertains the idea of a Veggie court case (mentioned by some one else) against the Aurin. The Veggies are on par mentally with the Aurin, the Skeetch, the Pell, etc. And as a point of fact, ALL of the species whose names are capitolized in game (e.g. Veggies, rather than veggies) are sapient / sentient, self aware, thinking, feeling organisms on par with the player races.  You are correct though, the Veggies are not eaten only by the Aurin, the Aurin cultivate them for all of the Exiles. The Dominion (besides that one example which you as a Dom player are tasked with stopping) does not eat Veggies, they grow and harvest normal, non-sapient/sentient vedgetables and livestock (though I'm sure a Chua or two has snacked on Aurin ears before ;) )
 
The dynamic with Highborn and Lowborn is hard to buy into because of the general issues that arise with any such caste system where priority of life is granted by birthright and money, not so much merit, as evident in that one quest-chain on Dominion side where a plague was running around and the Highborn got the initial batch of vaccines and inoculations while the Lowborn would be forced to wait on both. It's not the sort of situation that really feels "heroic" in the traditional sense of helping the down-trodden and what not.
 
It's really a wealth related social hierarchy (which exists in all society, including our own). In Hycrest you indeed cured the highborn first (because they were central in the city and all were in one place (the Church). As soon as they were cured though, you went out to the farms to cure as may lowborn as possible. Also it should be noted, there were low born in the city you cured early and there were highborn out on the farms. And the Luminai governor insisted you act quickly to save as many citizens as possible; he didn't shrug off the Lowborn or treat them as unimportant; he was genuinely concerned about their health and wanted to save as many as possible. The only substantive difference between being a lowborn and a highborn is that lowborn don't have access to the wealth of the high Luminai houses as the Highborn do. This is not a caste system like India; but is a social heirarchy as in Europe; the Nobility have access to old money and heritage, while the non-nobility have to work hard to make money and move up. If you don't believe me, go watch a documentary on nobility in Europe; all the spoiled rich kids of dukes and dutchesses... it's identical to the Dominion; those with Eldan (noble) blood are born into money and influence; those with out must earn it. 
 
And Earn it some do. Arguably the most powerful Cassian in the empire is Toric Antevian, a Low born who rose to prominence through Valor, bravery, loyalty,and virtue and now leads the most elite military force in the Dominion (the Radiant Legion). Likewise, Corrigan Doon is the most famous (or infamous) treasure hunter in the Dominion (not to be confused with the most famous explorer, Artemis Zin who is a highborn descendant of the first Empress of the Dominion, Olyssia Zin). Doon is constantly called in when the Dominion needs something, or some one found; he's also a drunk letch... but is a precocious scamp at heart. 
 
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So in the short time that I've been playing it occurred to me that there are more Exile than Dominion. This perplexes me as Dominion is so very much more awesome (yeah I said it).
 
The starting gear looks better. I mean my first character was a Exile Slinger. my first thought as he stepped on to the planet surface was "Excretion stained long underwear, barefoot, in the snow? Really!?" That slob was summarily fried and the slot made vacant for a Dominion Engineer. Way cooler!
 
So what is the deal? Is it the Alabama accents? A cowboy fetish? An inmate opposition to the color red? Or maybe it's the cutsie race that looks like adolescents with furry ears and tails as opposed to psychotic rodents.
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It's the atheist in me.  There, I said it.
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When were the Chua asked to kill ten rats? Or any for that matter. They were given Arboria to Harvest, not an army to kill Aurin ;)
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Erm..they were never 'given' Arboria to harvest. They were sent there to examine the planet (unless I am mistaken) and upon meeting the Aurin, they quickly tried to remove a threat to their own ideology. Wasn't the point of the Aurin slaughter by the Chua based on their fear of the them joining the Dominion?
 
For the Chua it was not how the Aurin looked or behaved.. truthfully it is more about the Aurin ideology that was the problem. If the Aurin were indeed infused into the Dominion, eventually their spiritual and peace-loving ways would have influenced the rest of the Dominion races and probably we would have a very different story outcome.
 
As far as I can understand it it is more about order versus chaos.
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What does that have to do with anything? Unlike human religions, the Eldan actually existed, literally gave the dominion the power to heal virtually all injuries, control planets weather and climate, make materials millions of years advanced for their civilization; literally create life, in the form of the Mechari, Osun, Skeetch, Moodies, etc.
 
They were certainly gods by Japanese / Chinese / Roman / Greek / Hindu standards as is; and once 6 of them became the Drusentity they became a god in an undeniably literal way. One of the interesting things about the Dominion is that in terms of veracity, their deities are and were literally real, had tremendous power and now have ultimate power as a god....
 
Lots of people who play this game are atheists (as a Buddhist I am too). But that makes the Dominion even more interesting in my opinion... their gods were and are real, for better and for worse ;)
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Never mind they're also punishing every member of every species on an entire planet (that was not even a member of their nation, except under their own presumption of manifest destiny) for the actions of individual members of one species.
 
. . . except for the plankton, of course.  Can't discount the plankton, whom the Dominion are, as Nazryn has pointed out, generously holding blameless for making peaceful first contact with the hungry space aliens.
 
The trees of Arboria were sapient, and did not participate in "abetting terrorists."  Not all of the Aurin participated, come to that.  The Dominion can't be arsed to "punish" only the "guilty," though.  Justice on an individual level is either not within their power to provide, or not something they care to extend.  In either case, it renders them completely unfit to rule over individual planets, let alone individual beings.	
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Did someone mention that the Aurin didn't know the Exiles were 'terrorists' to anyone? For the Aurin they were just space travelling aliens seeking some help.
 
Not that it matters. It's always mentioned whenever the Ravaging comes up and someone I will not mention always handwaves the lore with their own fluff to justify the Dominion actions.	
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After contact was made, the Exiles did confess to the aurin that they were rebels fleeing destruction at the hands of an evil galactic empire.  I guess at that point the aurin who met them could have demanded that they shove off.  We'll never know how the Dominion would've responded to that. 
 
Did the Dominion even know for a fact that the aurin didn't tell the Exile fleet to shove off?  We know because the writers tell us, but I can't remember what evidence the Dominion had to support the charge of giving aid and comfort.	
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I was afraid that my main might be a bad guy, but having read all the wonderfully informative and mostly anti-Dominion points, it occurs to me; It's a good day to be in the empire! 
 
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First of all, get a sense of humor.
 
Second of all, every culture you mention has used religion to enforce brutally rigid caste systems under which the upper levels of the caste perpetuated atrocities against their lower classes in the name of said religion.  Hindus are still zealously oppressive.  The Chinese replaced religion with Communism, but the vestiges of their caste system are still prevalent throughout modern China.  The Romans first stole the Greek religion to placate the masses and keep them from questioning their high tax rates and complete servitude to the empire while quite literally feeding any dissenters to the lions.  The Japanese are known for one of the most bloody feudal eras in history, all cloaked under the "honor" and "civility" of codes enforced by a rigid caste system while those of the upper castes routinely plundered the countrysides for resources.
 
Then lets look at the Eldan; madmen who wrought their own destruction in pursuit of perfecting themselves with such little regard for even their own followers that they risked the destruction of the universe and then pulled an NSA level cover-up before running off like cowards.
 
None of these cultures are exactly paragons of the virtues of religion.
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I was afraid that my main might be a bad guy, but having read all the wonderfully informative and mostly anti-Dominion points, it occurs to me; It's a good day to be in the empire!
 
Now, who needs some diplomacy?
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First of all, get a sense of humor.
 
Second of all, every culture you mention has used religion to enforce brutally rigid caste systems under which the upper levels of the caste perpetuated atrocities against their lower classes in the name of said religion.  Hindus are still zealously oppressive.  The Chinese replaced religion with Communism, but the vestiges of their caste system are still prevalent throughout modern China.  The Romans first stole the Greek religion to placate the masses and keep them from questioning their high tax rates and complete servitude to the empire while quite literally feeding any dissenters to the lions.  The Japanese are known for one of the most bloody feudal eras in history, all cloaked under the "honor" and "civility" of codes enforced by a rigid caste system while those of the upper castes routinely plundered the countrysides for resources.
 
Then lets look at the Eldan; madmen who wrought their own destruction in pursuit of perfecting themselves with such little regard for even their own followers that they risked the destruction of the universe and then pulled an NSA level cover-up before running off like cowards.
 
None of these cultures are exactly paragons of the virtues of religion.
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Can you name any major culture that isn't subject to the human condition?
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			To be entirely honest I think it's just preference. My main dude is a chua cause I've always loved something that appears cute and cuddly but can rip your head and arms off without even a second thought. And my secondary is a Mordesh cause I've always enjoyed playing undead characters even if they aren't actually "undead". To me all the races have some sort of appeal to them (except the humans, never really enjoyed playing humans in MMO's), but it appears that more people like the appeal of the exile which makes me a bit sad. I played during the launch and the dominion felt packed but now it feels very empty but the exile now feels more packed then ever. Who knows maybe stuff will change in the near future, this always tends to happen with MMO's with factions, balance tends to shift from one side to the next so hopefully soon the dominion will get some love. We may not love nature and we may not care for the well being of others but I'm sure there are some good eggs that people could find. (real talk allowing people to interact with the other faction if they wanted to would be nice.)	
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First of all, get a sense of humor.
 
Second of all, every culture you mention has used religion to enforce brutally rigid caste systems under which the upper levels of the caste perpetuated atrocities against their lower classes in the name of said religion.  Hindus are still zealously oppressive.  The Chinese replaced religion with Communism, but the vestiges of their caste system are still prevalent throughout modern China.  The Romans first stole the Greek religion to placate the masses and keep them from questioning their high tax rates and complete servitude to the empire while quite literally feeding any dissenters to the lions.  The Japanese are known for one of the most bloody feudal eras in history, all cloaked under the "honor" and "civility" of codes enforced by a rigid caste system while those of the upper castes routinely plundered the countrysides for resources.
 
Then lets look at the Eldan; madmen who wrought their own destruction in pursuit of perfecting themselves with such little regard for even their own followers that they risked the destruction of the universe and then pulled an NSA level cover-up before running off like cowards.
 
None of these cultures are exactly paragons of the virtues of religion.
 
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To be entirely honest I think it's just preference. My main dude is a chua cause I've always loved something that appears cute and cuddly but can rip your head and arms off without even a second thought. And my secondary is a Mordesh cause I've always enjoyed playing undead characters even if they aren't actually "undead". To me all the races have some sort of appeal to them (except the humans, never really enjoyed playing humans in MMO's), but it appears that more people like the appeal of the exile which makes me a bit sad. I played during the launch and the dominion felt packed but now it feels very empty but the exile now feels more packed then ever. Who knows maybe stuff will change in the near future, this always tends to happen with MMO's with factions, balance tends to shift from one side to the next so hopefully soon the dominion will get some love. We may not love nature and we may not care for the well being of others but I'm sure there are some good eggs that people could find. (real talk allowing people to interact with the other faction if they wanted to would be nice.)
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You're expecting us to believe a race of psychic rabbits didn't realize the Exiles were bad business? Even when the Queens highest advisor warned her they were?
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"Everybody else is doing it" does not excuse genocide, Nazryn.
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I find it funny how this forum quickly escalated towards hate towards Aurin. I can understand hating a race in particular, I personally don't like either human race cause I prefer to not be a human when I am given the chance. Yes Aurin are a vast majority of the players but that doesn't mean drastic action such as deletion of all the Aurin's needs to happen. Something like that might end up hurting the game more then helping it. Most players when they pick a faction look at the general mindset of the players and then look at the races that the factions have to offer. Dominion to me feels more fitted for your hardcore pvp/raid players and Exile feels more fitted for the casual player. Most people who end up playing an MMO play it for fun so they'll go for the Exiles and Aurin is a generally nice choice for players who may not want to be full alien but also may not want to be just a human, and they're the only race that is like this. So it is understandable why people would want to choose this. Plus, making the whole "all Aurin are just furries" is a dumb argument cause animal ears and a tail doesn't make you a furry. Exile is in general just a better place for the more casual player and the main reason why the Dominion side feels dead is because most hardcore players who join quickly find a guild and get power leveled to max level and start doing stuff like raids and vet dungeons, if you're not apart of a guild Dominion just feels dead.
 
Side note: A lot of this was stuff I have noticed in my time playing Wildstar and other MMO's in general, if I am wrong I do enjoy a good debate but try not and get into too much a huff about it.	
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I find it funny how this forum quickly escalated towards hate towards Aurin. I can understand hating a race in particular, I personally don't like either human race cause I prefer to not be a human when I am given the chance. Yes Aurin are a vast majority of the players but that doesn't mean drastic action such as deletion of all the Aurin's needs to happen. Something like that might end up hurting the game more then helping it. Most players when they pick a faction look at the general mindset of the players and then look at the races that the factions have to offer. Dominion to me feels more fitted for your hardcore pvp/raid players and Exile feels more fitted for the casual player. Most people who end up playing an MMO play it for fun so they'll go for the Exiles and Aurin is a generally nice choice for players who may not want to be full alien but also may not want to be just a human, and they're the only race that is like this. So it is understandable why people would want to choose this. Plus, making the whole "all Aurin are just furries" is a dumb argument cause animal ears and a tail doesn't make you a furry. Exile is in general just a better place for the more casual player and the main reason why the Dominion side feels dead is because most hardcore players who join quickly find a guild and get power leveled to max level and start doing stuff like raids and vet dungeons, if you're not apart of a guild Dominion just feels dead.
 
Side note: A lot of this was stuff I have noticed in my time playing Wildstar and other MMO's in general, if I am wrong I do enjoy a good debate but try not and get into too much a huff about it.
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Umm a large part of the reason the Dominion feels dead is because of aurin.
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Umm a large part of the reason the Dominion feels dead is because of aurin.
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Yes and there isn't much people can do to change someone's preference so I don't think constantly bashing on Aurin is the right thing to do. Rather then focusing on a big problem that only one person can actually change. What deserves a bit more focus is the smaller things that might attract more players to the dominion so that there is no longer a faction imbalance. I was just trying to point out some other problems other people might see so we're not just making an anti-aurin protest group here.
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Not directly related to aurin, could always put a race lock in place...or faction lock for that matter....
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And then people who want to play the game can't play what they want so they just walk away from WildStar all together. 
 
*I think making classes available to all races might help maybe just a little.
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Really? If i can't play a char that I want to play then I'm not going to play. It's just how it is!  Not every race can be every class, either.
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Because it's a game (games are played to have fun) and people want to play what they want to play. You can't start telling people what they can and can't play or which side they can or can't play on. 
 
You know, I typed up some really long explanation but to hell with it. Why don't Carbine just randomize your race, class and appearance at the char creation screen and we'll just deal with whatever we got stuck with because, hey, it'd be petty if we didn't play it because we didn't like it. So long as we're playing WildStar, that's all that matters. /MaxSnarkAndSnideActivated	
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Because it's a game (games are played to have fun) and people want to play what they want to play. You can't start telling people what they can and can't play or which side they can or can't play on. 
 
You know, I typed up some really long explanation but to hell with it. Why don't Carbine just randomize your race, class and appearance at the char creation screen and we'll just deal with whatever we got stuck with because, hey, it'd be petty if we didn't play it because we didn't like it. So long as we're playing WildStar, that's all that matters. /MaxSnarkAndSnideActivated
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Because it's a game (games are played to have fun) and people want to play what they want to play. You can't start telling people what they can and can't play or which side they can or can't play on. 
 
You know, I typed up some really long explanation but to hell with it. Why don't Carbine just randomize your race, class and appearance at the char creation screen and we'll just deal with whatever we got stuck with because, hey, it'd be petty if we didn't play it because we didn't like it. So long as we're playing WildStar, that's all that matters. /MaxSnarkAndSnideActivated
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Ahhhh the Aurin Hate Train...when will the Rail Tracer finally visit?I fell in love with the Aurin as soon as I saw them and that only deepened when I read their stories. I'm not a "furry" or any of that, but I love "Feral" races. I like the wilder look/feel/personality. I don't care about "lolnekocatgirlsoanimesokawaii!" To me, being Human in a game is usually boring (though I will pick that option if I think the other available races are particularly fugly or I can't quite get the look I want)...but sometimes, the "alien" options, as someone else said, are too alien. Maybe it's petty or vain, but I like to have as much control as possible over what my character looks like (I really wish our character creation was more in-depth or had more options like scars and such). Is it ultimately just a heap of pixels? Yes...but it's a heap of pixels that I have chosen to use to represent some form of myself in a virtual community.
 
"Any respectable person wouldn't walk away from a game for such a reason"? Would you play a game where you hate the protagonist but you're forced to be that person anyway? What about seeing a Game Trailer that focused on this really awesome character, got you all excited, and then you find out that that character was actually just a side character from an expansion coming up and the Main Guy is actually really boring or has a set of skills that you really don't enjoy using? Would you watch a show who's characters are, in your opinion, cupcake-waffles?  Or even something small, like the Voice Actor for that character is god awful or is good but the voice doesn't match the character's aesthetic/personality at all? Why participate in something that you don't enjoy and that therefore has no value to you? Before you say it, no, you're not forced to be any character in this game, but if the one you really looked forward to isn't available, then that's a heap of disappointment and most normal people I know get really disheartened by it. Some overcome this, and move on to love a new combo. Others, though, like myself, just can't find any enjoyment in being a race that's unappealing to us. It puts a fair bit of tarnish on the experience.It's not unreasonable for someone to be excited, learn that what they wanted to play is unavailable for an undetermined amount of time and has been for quite some time, and not want to play anymore because that was the -only- option that appealed to them.All of my characters are Aurin, and unfortunately they can only be 3 classes (only one of which I'm interested in being). I wanted to try Medic once, and I got a Human all the way to 36 before I couldn't stand it anymore. Sure, there are the Mordesh or the Granok, too, but they're not aesthetically pleasing to me in a way that makes me want to actually -be- them. I don't want them to represent Me. For one thing, they're too tall. I'm not a fan of playing overly-tall characters. The entire Dominion aesthetic to me is very unappealing, and not because "they're the bad guys". I actually enjoy being a bad guy in games, but not if the entire bit is just...."uuuugh" to me. They're...gaudy. I'll take worn out and roughed up to Gaudy and red and gold shiny stuff everywhere...not to mention a distinct lack of rodent traps ^.^
 
Anyway, my point was (before I went off on a tangent and for that I apologize) that people play what they enjoy. Whether they like a certain color scheme, or dislike the other Faction's every race option, or even if they like a Race option but all the customizations for it are garbage, etc., people will play what they like. I will admit that this game needs more Dominion Representation, though. As much as I don't wanna be one, it's kinda sad to never see any good cinematic reference to them.
 
Edit: If character creation was a forced randomization, I definitely wouldn't play. Maybe I'm just that petty or unreasonable, but it would ruin it for me.
 
Edit Edit: Wait! I do have -one- Mordesh! ...but that was mostly because I wanted the name "Monster Dave" ;>.>
			
				
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Umm a large part of the reason the Dominion feels dead is because of aurin.
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Second highlight -   Sign me up!   No seriously, sign me up right now.  At least this way it would (hopefully) balance the population and reduce the likelihood of the races in question of appearing, since 1/7 are just normal humans (I lumped the exile and cassian humans together) but this also assumes you leave your faction to chance as well.
 
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Yes and there isn't much people can do to change someone's preference so I don't think constantly bashing on Aurin is the right thing to do. Rather then focusing on a big problem that only one person can actually change. What deserves a bit more focus is the smaller things that might attract more players to the dominion so that there is no longer a faction imbalance. I was just trying to point out some other problems other people might see so we're not just making an anti-aurin protest group here.
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Ahhhh the Aurin Hate Train...when will the Rail Tracer finally visit?
 
"Any respectable person wouldn't walk away from a game for such a reason"? Would you play a game where you hate the protagonist but you're forced to be that person anyway? What about seeing a Game Trailer that focused on this really awesome character, got you all excited, and then you find out that that character was actually just a side character from an expansion coming up and the Main Guy is actually really boring or has a set of skills that you really don't enjoy using? Would you watch a show who's characters are, in your opinion, cupcake-waffles?  Or even something small, like the Voice Actor for that character is god awful or is good but the voice doesn't match the character's aesthetic/personality at all? Why participate in something that you don't enjoy and that therefore has no value to you? Before you say it, no, you're not forced to be any character in this game, but if the one you really looked forward to isn't available, then that's a heap of disappointment and most normal people I know get really disheartened by it. Some overcome this, and move on to love a new combo. Others, though, like myself, just can't find any enjoyment in being a race that's unappealing to us. It puts a fair bit of tarnish on the experience.
 
It's not unreasonable for someone to be excited, learn that what they wanted to play is unavailable for an undetermined amount of time and has been for quite some time, and not want to play anymore because that was the -only- option that appealed to them.
 
All of my characters are Aurin, and unfortunately they can only be 3 classes (only one of which I'm interested in being). I wanted to try Medic once, and I got a Human all the way to 36 before I couldn't stand it anymore. Sure, there are the Mordesh or the Granok, too, but they're not aesthetically pleasing to me in a way that makes me want to actually -be- them. I don't want them to represent Me. For one thing, they're too tall. I'm not a fan of playing overly-tall characters. The entire Dominion aesthetic to me is very unappealing, and not because "they're the bad guys". I actually enjoy being a bad guy in games, but not if the entire bit is just...."uuuugh" to me. They're...gaudy. I'll take worn out and roughed up to Gaudy and red and gold shiny stuff everywhere...not to mention a distinct lack of rodent traps ^.^
 
Anyway, my point was (before I went off on a tangent and for that I apologize) that people play what they enjoy. Whether they like a certain color scheme, or dislike the other Faction's every race option, or even if they like a Race option but all the customizations for it are garbage, etc., people will play what they like. I will admit that this game needs more Dominion Representation, though. As much as I don't wanna be one, it's kinda sad to never see any good cinematic reference to them.
 
Edit: If character creation was a forced randomization, I definitely wouldn't play. Maybe I'm just that petty or unreasonable, but it would ruin it for me.
 
Edit Edit: Wait! I do have -one- Mordesh! ...but that was mostly because I wanted the name "Monster Dave" ;>.>
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I get the Aurin appeal. They are small and energetic. Their small size and thin limbs accentuate their movements. So my Aurin settler with speed boost seems like a character base that I could easily get into. Add that to the Mordesh and the Granok and it is a successful recipe. Nothing wrong with that. The problem isn't what's done with the Exiles, it's what's done with the Dominion. Only negative representation when the actual lore is a lot more neutral. But there is a answer.
 
It seems that changing the social restrictions is the only realistic answer. No lore would need to change. But allowing cross faction grouping/circles/guilds would make any faction imbalance obsolete. And it would follow with WS's philosophy of keeping the lore loose to allow for a lot of leeway in the fans individual RP.	
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Well I mean, the Aurin are eco-terrorists, where the Chua are all-purpose terrorists.  Although I wanted to play Dominion simply to kill Aurin, the presence of the Chua in the Dominion makes it impossible for me to think the Dominion has any hope of being good or reasonable. 
 
  Honestly, going into lore doesn't make much sense in a discussion like this, as people probably won't know most of the lore when making their first character(s), and once they know the lore, they will have already put so much work and passion into their character(s), they won't really want to scrap it and make another, so first impressions is where it's at, and the first impressions are all on the side of the Exiles.	
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Well I mean, the Aurin are eco-terrorists, where the Chua are all-purpose terrorists.  Although I wanted to play Dominion simply to kill Aurin, the presence of the Chua in the Dominion makes it impossible for me to think the Dominion has any hope of being good or reasonable. 
 
  Honestly, going into lore doesn't make much sense in a discussion like this, as people probably won't know most of the lore when making their first character(s), and once they know the lore, they will have already put so much work and passion into their character(s), they won't really want to scrap it and make another, so first impressions is where it's at, and the first impressions are all on the side of the Exiles.
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people probably won't know most of the lore when making their first character(s), and once they know the lore, they will have already put so much work and passion into their character(s), they won't really want to scrap it and make another, so first impressions is where it's at, and the first impressions are all on the side of the Exiles.
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Except that would be extremely difficult with AURIN in the game. There will always be a large faction imbalance with aurin in the game. There is nothing that will balance the factions short of adding a new cutesy race to the dominion.
 
If they aren't going to add a new race to the game (which they probably won't any time soon), then they will have to change the factions restrictions because it will never.be.balanced.with.aurin.
 
The reason the exiles appears to be more casual friendly, as you put it,  is BECAUSE they have more people, and what's one of (if not the) biggest reasons for that? 
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			Eh, TBH, even if Carbine did decide to make the Exile do more bad stuff, it'd just feel really phoned in/forced on my part, like they're just doing it to fan out some sort of balance so people don't get upset... just my opinion, tho, I think they could make it work. :D Also, regarding this whole Aurin hate thing... they just needa put like, Luminai or somethin' within the Dominion ranks, after all, they ARE insanely attractive space-elves that have ties to the CREATORS OF NEXUS, and everyone (including me) wants to be a super special snowflake, so... 8D	
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Eh, TBH, even if Carbine did decide to make the Exile do more bad stuff, it'd just feel really phoned in/forced on my part, like they're just doing it to fan out some sort of balance so people don't get upset... just my opinion, tho, I think they could make it work. :D Also, regarding this whole Aurin hate thing... they just needa put like, Luminai or somethin' within the Dominion ranks, after all, they ARE insanely attractive space-elves that have ties to the CREATORS OF NEXUS, and everyone (including me) wants to be a super special snowflake, so... 8D
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They don't need to change anything. Ever since launch the Exiles have done tons of terrible things. Players who NEVER PLAY THE DOMINION QUESTS don't see this however and assume their one sided view of the conflict is "correct".
 
Exile players don't know the Mordesh Alchemists poisoned Ellevars Water to kill helpless farmers, Exile players don't know the Blackhoods developed a viral Bioterror weapon and unleashed it on innocent villagers in Hycrest, Exile players don't know that the Dominion free'd the Freebot miners from protostar slavery and negotiated fair wages for them. Exile players don't know that FCON executed Major Aurelis' son in cold blood just because his great great grandfather tried to stop Brightland's violent coup. Exile players don't know that the XAS nearly destroyed the planet by starting squirg Zombie apocalypse when they tried (and failed) to turn an Eldan terraformer into a weapon of mass destruction to use against the Dominion (which of all people, Mondo Zax is the one to stop the squirg-ocalypse with the player). Seriously, there is a VERY long list of incredbly bad stuff the Exiles have done all through out the game that completely removes any notion that thy are "good guys". Hell, even the Aurin are despicable; after having their own planets resources taken from them, they give the go ahead to slaughter the Torine in Celestion and forcibly take THEIR resources and desecrate their sacred cultural sites against the Torine's will. 
 
TLDR: Never have the Exiles been "good", except in the fantasies of fanboys who don't play both factions
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Can I diplomacy them now?
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  Players don't know all those things, which is exactly why those things don't impact players' decisions on which faction to play.  I can buy that the early descriptions of exiles are fairly neutral.  On the other hand, you have the "Imperial" faction in which the four races are described as "cold and calculating", "predators.. ferocious hunters", and "mischievous and sociopathic".. only the Cassians are described in positive terms like "proud and courageous".. but that fades quickly as they are then made out to be trying to exploit the wealth of nexus for their own gain. I would also note that the character creation screen mentions all of the Exiles being "victimized" by the Dominion, whereas the dominion is apparently just on nexus seeking greater wealth and power.  I would say that there's not really a problem with how the Exiles are portrayed, but their is a definite problem with how the Dominion is portrayed.
 
  The Dominion Storyline begins with people like Artemis Zinn and Mondo Zax, neither of whom are even slightly heroic or "good".  The players then get sent into a zone where they have to slaughter everything in preparations for the draken bloodfeast, or the get introduced to the corruption of the church, as they poison a tribe of natives.  That's hardly a way to make people feel any sense of pride in their faction.  I also believe that there's a general lack of trust in ordered societies, that causes people to see them as innately oppressive and evil.. so to create a "neutral" ordered society, you'd actually need to start by making them "good".
 
  Honestly though, I think my favorite races are the Mordesh and Cassians.. I just wish I could feel more "noble" while playing my cassians.. and not just feel pompous.	
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