124776-why-are-the-box-mounts-faster-than-the-deluxe-edition-mount

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Hmmmmmm?
 
Why give almost every new player one of these super fast mounts while those of us who bought Deluxe Edition straight out of beta in support of you guys get a snail hoverboard? :/ :/ :/ :/
 
Or am I wrong and they're the same speed and I'm just a derp? They sure as hell seem faster.	
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			Are you certain they are faster? I've not tried it, but that is a bit odd.	
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			That's why I added the disclaimer of I may be wrong and a derp. But the one cat mount I've seen running around Illium was like stupid fast.	
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			The player could also have the 80plat mount speed upgrade. It's hard to know, really. It doesn't say anything about being faster. Just CUTE!	
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The hoverboard Deluxe Edition is slower than news mounts yes.
 
I have the 80 plats bonus and I find it actually slower.
 
EDIT² : Tested with addon speed : https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/124776-why-are-the-box-mounts-faster-than-the-deluxe-edition-mount/&do=findComment&comment=1302933
 	
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The hoverboard Deluxe Edition is slower than others mounts yes.
 
I have the 80 plats bonus and I find it actually slower.
 
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That is unfortunate to hear...
 
So I'll vouch for either cutting the fat off the cat or juicing up the eldan board	
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That is unfortunate to hear...
 
So I'll vouch for either cutting the fat off the cat or juicing up the eldan board
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			EDIT² : Tested with addon speed : https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/124776-why-are-the-box-mounts-faster-than-the-deluxe-edition-mount/&do=findComment&comment=1302933	
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Just edit my judgment, it's just an impression, after a test they have the same speed.
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Oh that's a relief. I thought carbine pulled a pretty dick move there.
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Both the new box mounts are faster than all other mounts + the 80p riding speed. I tested it with Timetravel earlier, so unless he had a movement speed buff no one noticed.
 
Both new box code mounts > Avatus Mount + 80p movement speed.
 
For anyone wondering why people hate cash shop this is one reason. So I have arguable one of the most unique mounts in the game PLUS 80p movement speed and any person can spend real life money to get a faster mount than me..... seems legit.
 
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Alright tested it so it looks like the 80p mount speed is worthless. Can confirm that the new box code mount and the rare boombox mount and the avatus mounts are the same speed.
 
Can also confirm TT uses speed hacks.
 
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Could someone direct me towards the "box mount" info? I seem to have missed that
 
Edit: nvrmnd found it.	
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Both the new box mounts are faster than all other mounts + the 80p riding speed. I tested it with Timetravel earlier, so unless he had a movement speed buff no one noticed.
 
Both new box code mounts > Avatus Mount + 80p movement speed.
 
For anyone wondering why people hate cash shop this is one reason. So I have arguable one of the most unique mounts in the game PLUS 80p movement speed and any person can spend real life money to get a faster mount than me..... seems legit.
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Both the new box mounts are faster than all other mounts + the 80p riding speed. I tested it with Timetravel earlier, so unless he had a movement speed buff no one noticed.
 
Both new box code mounts > Avatus Mount + 80p movement speed.
 
For anyone wondering why people hate cash shop this is one reason. So I have arguable one of the most unique mounts in the game PLUS 80p movement speed and any person can spend real life money to get a faster mount than me..... seems legit.
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For anyone wondering why people hate cash shop this is one reason. So I have arguable one of the most unique mounts in the game PLUS 80p movement speed and any person can spend real life money to get a faster mount than me..... seems legit.
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Both the new box mounts are faster than all other mounts + the 80p riding speed. I tested it with Timetravel earlier, so unless he had a movement speed buff no one noticed.
 
Both new box code mounts > Avatus Mount + 80p movement speed.
 
For anyone wondering why people hate cash shop this is one reason. So I have arguable one of the most unique mounts in the game PLUS 80p movement speed and any person can spend real life money to get a faster mount than me..... seems legit.
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Both the new box mounts are faster than all other mounts + the 80p riding speed. I tested it with Timetravel earlier, so unless he had a movement speed buff no one noticed.
 
Both new box code mounts > Avatus Mount + 80p movement speed.
 
For anyone wondering why people hate cash shop this is one reason. So I have arguable one of the most unique mounts in the game PLUS 80p movement speed and any person can spend real life money to get a faster mount than me..... seems legit.
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I have tested (with addon this time) again and again and again xD and i confirm the news mounts are faster than others mounts but only in full speed :mellow:
The deluxe hoverboard has the same speed as the others (slower than news mounts).
 
Eldan hoverboard (deluxe edition) (average normal speed : 18 / average full speed : 24,50)
Snarefelynx mount* (average normal speed : 18 / average full speed : 27.20)
GlitterKitty Cruiser* (average normal speed : 18 / average full speed : 27.20)
Hellion Hoverboard (2100 pvp rating) (average normal speed : 18 / average full speed : 24.50)
Orbitron Mount (average normal speed : 18 / average full speed : 24.50)
Velocirex Mount (average normal speed : 18 / average full speed : 24.50)
Alien velocirex Mount (average normal speed : 18 / average full speed : 24.50)
Spike Hoverboard (average normal speed : 18 / average full speed : 24.50)
Retroblade Mount (average normal speed : 18 / average full speed : 24.50)
Flux Hoverboard (average normal speed : 18 / average full speed : 24.50)
 
Red* = news mounts
 
All were tested with 80 plats bonus speed.
 
You can test your mount speed with this addon : http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/228657-speed (Toggle the display with /speed.)
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			Next month we'll see already imbued avatus weapons in the box?	
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Ok tested the luminous equivar on T2 speed 
 
average normal speed : 16-17 / average full speed : 24
 
I don't know if T3 speed affects it, but it should be the same speed then with T3 no?	
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Ok tested the luminous equivar on T2 speed 
 
average normal speed : 16-17 / average full speed : 24
 
I don't know if T3 speed affects it, but it should be the same speed then with T3 no?
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It depends where you have tested (which surface etc ...)
 
Change your location and go try on a flat surface ^^
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Maybe we should try in our ground house (same surface for all)  ;)
 
News tests on this surface :
 
Hoverboard Deluxe Edition : (average normal speed : 17 / average full speed : 23)
Snarefelynx mount (average normal speed : 17 / average full speed : 25.20)
GlitterKitty Cruiser (average normal speed : 17 / average full speed : 25.20)
 
Tested with 80 plats bonus set	
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Maybe we should try in our ground house (same surface for all)  ;)
 
News tests on this surface :
 
Hoverboard Deluxe Edition : (average normal speed : 17 / average full speed : 23)
Snarefelynx mount (average normal speed : 17 / average full speed : 25.20)
GlitterKitty Cruiser (average normal speed : 17 / average full speed : 25.20)
 
Tested with 80 plats bonus set
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Edit NVM - T2 Riding Skill
 
Luminous Equivar : (average normal speed : 17 / average full speed : 25.2)
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It's weird because when i go in Daggerstone (BG), i'm always the first at middle by a large margin with my 80 plat bonus speed oO.
 
Maybe Luminous Equivar is very fast lol, can you try with another mount ?
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			I'm need to find someone with the boombox mount and the new box mount. Because I'm pretty sure TT was moving A LOT faster than me without sprinting. Guessing full speed is sprinting	
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Sure, but if I remember correctly, I read somewhere that the Luminous Equivar ignores your riding skill and has the 80 plat level riding skill. I'll update this with results.
 
Edit: Here's the results
 
Trask - 14.25 / 20.5
Flux hoverboard - 14.25 / 20.5
Plasmatic hyperboard hoverboard - 14.25 / 20.5
Retroblade - 14.25 / 20.5
War Woolie - 14.25 / 20.5
Luminous Equivar - 17 / 25.2
 
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			What about the Avatus mount?	
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THIS IS WITH 80 Plat riding speed
 
So doing some testing now, it looks like all mounts move at around 18 normal speed then 25ish with sprint.
 
The avatus mount moves at 18 normal speed then 27ish with sprint. Need to find someone with the new box mounts, because when I raced TT he out ran me every single time.
 
So it looks like the boombox mount(savage warpig/luminous equivar) is the same speed as the Avatus mount + 80 plat movement speed.
 
So now need to test the actually box code mount, its possible that TT had a speed flask on. Either way its looking like the super rare boombox mount/new box code mount are fasting than the Avatus mount UNLESS you have the 80 plat movement speed THEN its even.	
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			Spythe..did they fix the T2 riding skill Avatus mount bug?  I can't remember but I saw someone say T2 is faster than the 80p one with it....if not then I'd hazzard a guess that same thing is happening here!	
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That is interesting, will check when another guild mate logs in.
 
 
Alright tested it so it looks like the 80p mount speed is worthless. Can confirm that the new box code mount and the rare boombox mount and the avatus mounts are the same speed.
 
Can also confirm TT uses speed hacks.	
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			such shit i cant believe i spent 80 plat(back when 80 plat was serious money) on the *cupcake* riding speed just to be shit on by rng boxes. the thread that is keeping me to this game gets thinner every day it seems.	
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			One of my addons displays the ACTUAL speed multiplier the game uses for normal movement. I am pretty sure that the mount speed multiplier is available in the API too. I'll make a quick and dirty addon tonight to test this if no one else will. I believe other addons just estimate your speed based (not really sure though). If anyone is curious it should be under the getplayerunit structure and then look for something likely called "mountspeedmultiplier" under getunitproperties. This can be done easily with a dev addon called 'Rover'. It may or may not be there but I vaguely remember seeing it.	
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			Do the new mounts also ignore riding speed upgrades and always use 17/25.2?	
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Do the new mounts also ignore riding speed upgrades and always use 17/25.2?
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Dumbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb.
 
Seriously tho Carbine?	
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			It's a bit amusing the things that can trigger such research. Thank you Caaract and Spythe or doing testing	
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			Those cat things are so ugly I personally don't care that they're faster, but I do agree mount speeds should be normalized across the board regardless of source, and based on speed upgrades that you buy apart from the mounts in game.	
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And why the only PvP Hoverboard has the same speed statistics as the others mounts which can be purchased for 15 golds ?
 
Seriously, a mount where you need 2100 PvP Rating (full version) = 15 golds mount speed.
 
But best PvE mount (Avatus) = better. OFC Carbine ... why ?
 
Why always PvE > PvP ? PvPers don't need a good hoverboard for Warplots / Daggerstone Pass ? "No, go PvE or go buy a new Wildstar box for a good mount, we don't care about PvPers, this is not our priority ..."   <_<	
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			I think we might be missing the point that a lot of people collect mounts for looks rather than speed; sprinkling various mounts through various game types encourages participation in those modes. 	
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And why the only PvP Hoverboard has the same speed statistics as the others mounts which can be purchased for 15 golds ?
 
Seriously, a mount where you need 2100 PvP Rating (full version) = 15 golds mount speed.
 
But best PvE mount (Avatus) = better. OFC Carbine ... why ?
 
Why always PvE > PvP ? PvPers don't need a good hoverboard for Warplots / Daggerstone Pass ? "No, go PvE or go buy a new Wildstar box for a good mount, we don't care about PvPers, this is not our priority ..."   <_<
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			The Snarfelynx can also go over water like a hoverboard. Found that out tonight.	
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			Made a few quick bucks, maybe got some new players, and spit on your entire player-base actually clearing content. With all the class buffs/PvE nerfs, top-tier handouts, and gimped fresh content we've seen, I'm starting to feel like I'm playing the generic CandyLand BS that's all over the MMO market. This is nothing but a pure insult; spend a bit of money and roll around with better items than the people who have busted their asses clearing all the content. Seriously, why would the majority of people even attempt to kill Avatus if they know they can just buy the drops if they hold out? Feels like a quick cash grab before announcing some dreadful business model shift. Shame on you, Carbine.	
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			Having the floating kitty is no where near as cool as having the post-Avatus kill mount. Just saying. That bike is sexy! (though I do think it should also be able to go over water!) They are just different things.	
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Having the floating kitty is no where near as cool as having the post-Avatus kill mount. Just saying. That bike is sexy! (though I do think it should also be able to go over water!) They are just different things.
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with better items than the people who have busted their asses clearing all the content. Seriously, why would the majority of people even attempt to kill Avatus if they know they can just buy the drops if they hold out? Feels like a quick cash grab before announcing some dreadful business model shift. Shame on you, Carbine.
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			this is really going to be ignored carbine? fix you 80 plat speed riding. this is just outrageous.	
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Meh, for an extra $5 beyond my sub I can help them clear out an extra retail box and save myself the 80 plat I was never going to waste.
 
I've cleared everything except DS and certainly don't feel spit on. Maybe when I finish DS I'll suddenly find myself irrationally angry, but I doubt it.	
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I don't consider an oversized fat cat superior to Avatus mount by any measure. I don't give a rats arse about the speed of the mount as I don't need a speedy mount for anything in the game. I can farm as well without the speedbuff and once Avatus is dead I could care less if some hippie wants to ride a fat cat. At most I would be upset by some dick blocking the AH NPC or mailbox with it.
 
I also wouldn't put too much into the box sales. Sounds like a move to remove unnecessary physical boxes from the market and helping retailers to sell them more than an immenent shift in payment model. Not saying it couldn't be but just saying I don't give much credit to the rumour mill.
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It's a mount that can use the wide range of ground mount flairs, but can still go over water and has the highest default speed. Avatus mount +2. Whether or not you consider it to be superior is irrelevant as it just is flat-out superior.
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			neat, another day has gone by with not an inkling of notice by crb	
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Hmm.  Limited edition mount for a limited promotion is faster than mounts in on-going promotions or speed of a permanently purchasable upgrade or permanent drop within the game; while those with the limited promotion mount have to enjoy the model of their item to enjoy the benefit, making it a trade-off. Makes sense to me... not that being sensible can be expected when it comes to this community and haves/have-nots.
 
 
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neat, another day has gone by with not an inkling of notice by crb
 
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It's a bit amusing the things that can trigger such research. Thank you Caaract and Spythe or doing testing
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			Hey here's some perspective: the new mounts are selling ingame for 75 plat, which is 5 plat cheaper than that precious riding speed upgrade. So all this furious anger basically boils down to a price difference of 5 platinum, which my character had earned at like level 40.	
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neat, another day has gone by with not an inkling of notice by crb
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			the increased speed is literally 100% of the reason I bought this mount no hating pls	
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You're giving people who buy the game for $20 a super-speed mount, while you gave the people who bought the $70 Deluxe Edition a crappy slow-ass mount.
 
Seems real fair. >_>	
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			FYI: New mounts are equippable at level 1	
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FYI: New mounts are equitable at level 1
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FYI: New mounts are equitable at level 1
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FYI: New mounts are equitable at level 1
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All I want is some small semblance of fairness here. I paid almost quadruple what people paid for this box when the game launched because I believed in Wildstar and bought the Deluxe Edition (plus a 6-month sub which I am still on) and I was given a slow, snail hoverboard mount. People pay $20 for a clearance sale to get the game and get the hands down best in every way (other than appearance which is arguable) mount in the game.
 
Stupid. So stupid. Either buff the Eldan Board or nerf the kitty cats. This is just dumb.	
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What next? A $35 pickaxe that brings sub-level 45 miners back into parity with relic hunters and survivalists?
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https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Molten_Alliance_Mining_Pick
 
Not $35, but you get the idea.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Equitable, or equippable?  The first is definitely true, the latter is absolutely frustrating - ESPECIALLY considering the Deluxe Edition Hoverboard exists.
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Tehehe thanks, I fixed that and your right about the deluxe. QQ
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Yeah, considering the Deluxe Eldan Hoverboard comes as a $15 deal, it should either be available early or the Retail Box mounts should be restricted behind levels 15 or 25 (depending on their function, water/non-water) like every other mount in the game.
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			finding less and less to keep me interested in the game silly shit like this pushes me closer to the door	
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cat hoverboard and fat cat is faster than any mount
cat hoverhoard and fat cat is equal to boombox mount+80plat upgrade
if you buy cat hoverboard or fat cat for less than 80p you won	
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finding less and less to keep me interested in the game silly shit like this pushes me closer to the door
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cat hoverboard and fat cat is faster than any mount
cat hoverhoard and fat cat is equal to boombox mount+80plat upgrade
if you buy cat hoverboard or fat cat for less than 80p you won
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I like this....i might consider to buy a box myself...to get the kitty hoverboard....but being lazy..I prob just buy a creed and buy the board off the AH:) I dont like the look on any of the rewards...but i think i like speed:)
 
I'm currently riding around on my pink ugly looking hoverboard i got for free...is it preorder thing? or CBT thing? I was both...	
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I like this....i might consider to buy a box myself...to get the kitty hoverboard....but being lazy..I prob just buy a creed and buy the board off the AH:) I dont like the look on any of the rewards...but i think i like speed:)
 
I'm currently riding around on my pink ugly looking hoverboard i got for free...is it preorder thing? or CBT thing? I was both...
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couldnt agree more, and another day goes by where carbine has yet to acknowledge the issue even. 
 
i just want a quality mmo not littered with p2win bullshit. why is that so much to ask for
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I just bought a digital box:) applied the code and it said i got a reward thing yay...I cant wait to get back home and see what I won lol:) Hope its the kitty board....otherwise maybe i can sell it on AH and buy the board from the money i make:)
 
whats the cost difference on the 3 rewards on the AH?	
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They can't be sold on the AH as there isn't a section for them afaik.
 
You have to sit around waiting for people to make offers!
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I just bought a digital box:) applied the code and it said i got a reward thing yay...I cant wait to get back home and see what I won lol:) Hope its the kitty board....otherwise maybe i can sell it on AH and buy the board from the money i make:)
 
whats the cost difference on the 3 rewards on the AH?
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Quality game requires a lot of money.
 
Money comes from p2win bullshit.
 
It's not rocket science.
 
So which one do you want more? A quality game with p2win bullshit, or a lacking game with no p2win bullshit? Take your pick.
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https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Molten_Alliance_Mining_Pick
 
Not $35, but you get the idea.
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dont let the door  blah blah blah
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But that pickage doesn't mine better then the top tier pickage, it's unlimited use and has a nice animation.
 
Here the mounts are faster (better)
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			Everyone that has bought the standard or deluxe game have been enjoying their rewards for almost a year. What service have you ever experienced that one year later allows you to get a promotional deal after the fact. Oh, two for one sale? I bought mine a year ago, I should get a free one. That's ludicrous. You have received items for subscribing up to this point, including squirg head and turban.	
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Everyone that has bought the standard or deluxe game have been enjoying their rewards for almost a year. What service have you ever experienced that one year later allows you to get a promotional deal after the fact. Oh, two for one sale? I bought mine a year ago, I should get a free one. That's ludicrous. You have received items for subscribing up to this point, including squirg head and turban.
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They have a unique skin item and have for almost a year. I'm surprised they allowed the promotion to be applied to old accounts AND you can buy them for in game currency from people. This is a non issue and major entitlement problem
 
An additional fallacy with this argument is new players get -1- mount potentially. Deluxe players get their dye and hover board for every character.	
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This is a non issue and major entitlement problem
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TESTIFY!
 
I've got the tombstone sword. Anyone joining today will never get that. It's exclusive to a time/place promotion.
 
I've got the Digital Deluxe goodies. Players who buy that box, they don't get those. It's exclusive.
 
I've got goodies because I was a Beta tester. Can't go back in time, so I guess anyone who wasn't lucky enough to get in to beta is just out of luck. Those are exclusive.
 
I'm a member of The Wrecking Crew because I was here for the server meltdown. Others who missed it? Dang. They ain't gonna ever be part of the Wrecking Crew.
 
I don't have that sweet Top Hat. Ya know why? I couldn't be there for that particular time/place event. It's exclusive - and yet, you don't hear me screaming about exclusivity.
 
You know why I'm not screaming about it? Because I'm not a person who thinks my $15 a month means I should have access to every pixel ever created by the studio.
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They have a unique skin item and have for almost a year. I'm surprised they allowed the promotion to be applied to old accounts AND you can buy them for in game currency from people. This is a non issue and major entitlement problem
 
An additional fallacy with this argument is new players get -1- mount potentially. Deluxe players get their dye and hover board for every character.
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I think you're rather missing the point here.
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TESTIFY!
 
I've got the tombstone sword. Anyone joining today will never get that. It's exclusive to a time/place promotion.
 
I've got the Digital Deluxe goodies. Players who buy that box, they don't get those. It's exclusive.
 
I've got goodies because I was a Beta tester. Can't go back in time, so I guess anyone who wasn't lucky enough to get in to beta is just out of luck. Those are exclusive.
 
I'm a member of The Wrecking Crew because I was here for the server meltdown. Others who missed it? Dang. They ain't gonna ever be part of the Wrecking Crew.
 
I don't have that sweet Top Hat. Ya know why? I couldn't be there for that particular time/place event. It's exclusive - and yet, you don't hear me screaming about exclusivity.
 
You know why I'm not screaming about it? Because I'm not a person who thinks my $15 a month means I should have access to every pixel ever created by the studio.
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C'mon Tex.
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C'mon what?
 
Have I been unclear in how I view the people complaining in this thread? Nothing you can say is going to make me change my opinion on that front.
 
"Fair" is a conduct grade. "Fair" is a place where the Ferris wheel sets up and people eat hot dogs. "Fair" is the renaissance-themed amusement park I go to every year.
 
"Fair" is not the rest of the world, no matter how much we might wish it was.
 
C'mon, Vince!  ;)
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So what I'm asking is unfair?  What I'm asking is that the Retail Box mounts be restricted to level 15 if they're land-based and level 25 if they're hover.  I'm also asking that they follow the same Riding Skill constraints as all other mounts, Luminous Equivar excluded.  Hell, dude, even the War Woolie is restricted to level 15.  How is that an unfair request?
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			Meh. If you have a problem with the speeds or levels, buy one with in game money or real money. You are afforded EVERY opportunity they are. You can apply it to your existing account. They are getting absolutely nothing you can't get as well for this temporary promotion on standard only physical boxes.	
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Meh. If you have a problem with the speeds or levels, buy one with in game money or real money. You are afforded EVERY opportunity they are. You can apply it to your existing account. They are getting absolutely nothing you can't get as well for this temporary promotion on standard only physical boxes.
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You're missing the point, Tex.  The expense is trivial.  If I wanted a flying fat cat, I could have one.  It's not a "he got more than me" thing, because I haven't got a CE mount or a data drifter.  I don't feel that I'm owed a fat cat.  This isn't about me getting what I deserve.
 
This is all about them obviating their "pay extra" promotional items, as well as the hardest won items in the game with a more recent promotional item.  If the fat cat wasn't strictly better than the Avatus mount and the Eldan board, I'd blow these things off as the same sort of cash shop fluff they sell over at Blizzard.  It's not the same, though. 
 
Making those mounts better than any other mount in the game sets a bad precedent, and no amount of name calling is going to make the disillusionment subscribers are feeling any less real or valid.	
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			I must be crazy (It appears) but so far mounts are pretty useless in this game other than sitting still while looking pretty and leveling. I usually even forget to get the speed buff while leveling an alt because it's all pretty whatever.It does bug me a bit when I consider Daggerstone I suppose though. Even though it'd still not be fast enough to cap before people reach you anyways.	
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Everyone that has bought the standard or deluxe game have been enjoying their rewards for almost a year. What service have you ever experienced that one year later allows you to get a promotional deal after the fact. Oh, two for one sale? I bought mine a year ago, I should get a free one. That's ludicrous. You have received items for subscribing up to this point, including squirg head and turban.
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Hey folks,
 
I've been chatting with the dev team about this - and it definitely is NOT working as intended. There should be a fix coming up soon. 	
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Hey folks,
 
I've been chatting with the dev team about this - and it definitely is NOT working as intended. There should be a fix coming up soon. 
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Hey folks,
 
I've been chatting with the dev team about this - and it definitely is NOT working as intended. There should be a fix coming up soon. 
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General Discussion » Why are the Box Mounts faster than the Deluxe Edition Mount? (0)Omeed
Carbine Studios Staff
Today, 03:32 PM
Hey folks,
 
I've been chatting with the dev team about this - and it definitely is NOT working as intended. There should be a fix coming up soon. 
NCSOFT Director of Community and Social 
twitter.com/omeed
twitch.tv/omeed
 	
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Are they supposed to be useable before lvl 15?
 	
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Are they supposed to be useable before lvl 15?
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C'mon what?
 
Have I been unclear in how I view the people complaining in this thread? Nothing you can say is going to make me change my opinion on that front.
 
"Fair" is a conduct grade. "Fair" is a place where the Ferris wheel sets up and people eat hot dogs. "Fair" is the renaissance-themed amusement park I go to every year.
 
"Fair" is not the rest of the world, no matter how much we might wish it was.
 
C'mon, Vince!  ;)
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Tex, I hate to say it but you're 100%, absolutely wrong.
 
The renaissance-themed park is a "faire."
 
Come on, dude.
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That seems "fair" enough to consider.  Although it seems most opinions are "fairy" tales at best.  So it's "fair" to consider Tex is "fairly" correct in his own "fairy" world.   Man I need some more sleep, either that or lay off the studying for finals :)
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Drop out! Were you the one talking about your econ final in lfg the other day? I'll reiterate: not worth it.
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Here's a little more info - 
 
The short version of what's going on is that the calculations on speed were a little wonky and had some variance that wasn't accounted for in the design. That's being fixed so that mount speed always follows the same rules. 
 
Right now, it is intended that you can use this mount from level 1 - but that's being evaluated since it may mess up the early Arkship experience for people. The team is debating adjusting the level restrictions on other account-level items but hasn't quite landed a decision on that yet. 
 
What do you folks think? 	
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Level 1 usage, I don't really care, but if you're worried about the arkship just set it at lv 3 instead. The only way this would be a problem anyway is if a brand new player gets the box; otherwise it's just someone using it on their alt.
 
As for speed, it's probably good that you're bringing it in line with the other mounts. I'm just glad I sold two Snarlyfoxes already before the inevitable price drop. :)
 
I'll warn you that asking what people think here is bound to result in a lot of negative comments about the box... but overall I see tons of people in the world enjoying it so more power to ya!
 
Edit: if I can use my account bound hoverboards at lv 1... I'll love you all forever. B)	
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Here's a little more info - 
 
The short version of what's going on is that the calculations on speed were a little wonky and had some variance that wasn't accounted for in the design. That's being fixed so that mount speed always follows the same rules. 
 
Right now, it is intended that you can use this mount from level 1 - but that's being evaluated since it may mess up the early Arkship experience for people. The team is debating adjusting the level restrictions on other account-level items but hasn't quite landed a decision on that yet. 
 
What do you folks think? 
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I will still push for the Retail mounts being restricted in exactly the same way as every other mount in the game - 15 for land, 25 for hover.  These new Retail mounts are the only mounts in the game that break this rule.
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There are rental mounts you can buy in the maps before you hit the main city you are about level 6 or 7 then that you get your first mount.
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True, but those are 24 hours and not permanent, and they're not as fast as the Luminous Equivar.  They're by no means permament.  I don't think these count because they're not item-unlocked mounts.
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Here's a little more info - 
 
The short version of what's going on is that the calculations on speed were a little wonky and had some variance that wasn't accounted for in the design. That's being fixed so that mount speed always follows the same rules. 
 
Right now, it is intended that you can use this mount from level 1 - but that's being evaluated since it may mess up the early Arkship experience for people. The team is debating adjusting the level restrictions on other account-level items but hasn't quite landed a decision on that yet. 
 
What do you folks think? 
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I think I am tired of hearing these people cry. Most of your players who went out and bought boxes to support the game did so with the understanding that these mounts had enhanced speed. Waiting until many of us have already purchased these items and then nerfing them seems like a bad decision to me. I also do not believe that "calculations on speed were a little wonky and had variance." How were these mounts magically different from any other mounts in that way? It's difficult to make a mount that has default mount speed? I doubt that. The statement sounds rather vague, in a dishonest corporate kind of way. I think their speed was intended, and if that's not the case then maybe you should say something very specific about it. It's been weeks since this promo started.
Also I do not think blimpcats on the Arkship are going to ruin anyone's experience of WildStar. Really.
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24 hours while you play that character, by that time you will most likely have hit thayd and bought a real mount.
Therefore i don't seem the harm in given the mounts earlier then level 15, it always fetl strange i could rent a mount at level 6 but i could not use the 2 step mount in the account inventory.
 
As for the speed it's already said it's not working as intended.
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Carbine never said that these mounts would be faster or any different from the normal mounts beside the cosmetics.
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Here's a little more info - 
 
The short version of what's going on is that the calculations on speed were a little wonky and had some variance that wasn't accounted for in the design. That's being fixed so that mount speed always follows the same rules. 
 
Right now, it is intended that you can use this mount from level 1 - but that's being evaluated since it may mess up the early Arkship experience for people. The team is debating adjusting the level restrictions on other account-level items but hasn't quite landed a decision on that yet. 
 
What do you folks think? 
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Temp mounts also disallow customization and are not affected by riding speed, so there's that.
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No customization drops on those levels as far as i know, so only those past the level that they can buy a mount will they have costumizations avaible for them.
 
You are making it a far larger issue then it really is.
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Right, because all bugs/unintended behaviors are immediately found and publicly addressed on day 1.
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Carbine made these mounts faster and different from the normal mounts in addition to cosmetics.
And people have been talking about it since the mounts came out. It's not a secret. If it was a "mistake" that should have been said on day 1.
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This thread was started on April 15th. What day were the box promos made available?
 
I don't think you are even getting my point. If the speed thing was a mistake, this should have been said IMMEDIATELY when it became a topic of discussion.
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In a perfect world, yes.  In the real world, Carbine has to see this thread, investigate it internally, pester design/QA about the intended functionality of the issue itself, discuss whether or not it's worth changing, determine the feasability of spending time making the change given current deadlines, approve it, then have whoever is up for posting on the forums confirm "Hey we're looking in to it" and when all settles in for MAKING the change, say "Here's what we're gonna do."
That can take anywhere from a few days to a few weeks.  Is that desirable?  Hell no, but that's how things tend to work.
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Yeah, maybe if your company is incompetent. Blizzard would have dealt with the problem in a day, at the very least by announcing that the increased speed was "accidental." Letting your players spend thousands of dollars on items when everyone knows that they have speed advantages and then declaring that you are going to nerf them once all the money has been made looks very, very bad. And frankly I really doubt the speed was an accident.
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All I'm asking is that the box mounts follow the same rules as other traditional in-game mounts.  Why are people telling me this is a problem/big deal/unreasonable?  How?  How is asking for some item property continuity a bad thing?
 
o_O
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I never said it was a bad thing to ask equality but with some of your latest comments it feels more like you are fishing for ecxcusses why it is a bad thing and that's where it start to become unreasonable.
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I do agree with your last part, thoughl a post-purchase nerf won't sit well with the people who paid for them, but otherwise they have a paid-for item directly better than an earned item, which is not a slope I want to go down.
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Fair point.
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Here's a little more info - 
 
The short version of what's going on is that the calculations on speed were a little wonky and had some variance that wasn't accounted for in the design. That's being fixed so that mount speed always follows the same rules. 
 
Right now, it is intended that you can use this mount from level 1 - but that's being evaluated since it may mess up the early Arkship experience for people. The team is debating adjusting the level restrictions on other account-level items but hasn't quite landed a decision on that yet. 
 
What do you folks think? 
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It would be VERY wierd to nerf the speed of the box rewards after this long time....by that i mean..nerf it to base speed.
 
I dont know if its faster then the 80 plat one or not....but I would see that Carbaniieroes would set the fat cat and helo kitty hoverboard to the speed of the 80plat upgrade without ppl screaming too much.
 
The 80plat spending ppl still have the advantage that they can ride ALL of their mounts at max speed!	
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			Obviously the solution here is to buff the CE mount.  B)	
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24 hours while you play that character, by that time you will most likely have hit thayd and bought a real mount.
Therefore i don't seem the harm in given the mounts earlier then level 15, it always fetl strange i could rent a mount at level 6 but i could not use the 2 step mount in the account inventory.
 
As for the speed it's already said it's not working as intended.
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I honestly don't think it is a good idea to to change the mount-speed now.....2 weeks after the promotion started...
 
The high speed -imo- is one of the draws of those mounts and people seem to have bought boxed editions in droves, if the constant meowing in Thayd is any indication...
Since those players spend extra cash on those boxes, backpedaling on the mount-speed might cause a huge backlash, tons of complaints and a LOT of angry customers.
 
The items are in game for too long already and WAY too much money has been spend on them, to now "nerf" them.
If the speed really is not intended to be this high, then this should have been hotfixed and properly addressed to the community a few days after the event started!	
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			Honestly, I do not see the big concern from a PVE point of view, but a PVP I can. Can they just not nerf it in PVP?	
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I honestly don't think it is a good idea to to change the mount-speed now.....2 weeks after the promotion started...
 
The high speed -imo- is one of the draws of those mounts and people seem to have bought boxed editions in droves, if the constant meowing in Thayd is any indication...
Since those players spend extra cash on those boxes, backpedaling on the mount-speed might cause a huge backlash, tons of complaints and a LOT of angry customers.
 
The items are in game for too long already and WAY too much money has been spend on them, to now "nerf" them.
If the speed really is not intended to be this high, then this should have been hotfixed and properly addressed to the community a few days after the event started!
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			People are acting like this thing is gonna get nerfed down to basic runspeed. According to the tests, they're only slightly faster in sprint speed ONLY compared to the unique mounts, so maybe that's the part that's gonna get adjusted, and likely it will be adjusted to meet the other mounts that are default at that speed. We don't know, because even the clarification doesn't specify exactly what will be changed to fix things. For all we know, the unique mounts will be brought up to these.	
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Tested myself, the fat cat and kitty board are the same speed as the boom box/avatus mounts. I really don't understand why you would be upset that people are spending $20+ for  a chance at a faster mount.. the mounts in this game are slow... lol
 
I would honestly be really burned if they nerfed the speed. A lot of people went out of their way to get the mount for the speed increase. that was kinda the catch, you pay real world money and not pocket change either. Why on earth would i pay $20 for a mount that moves slow >.>
 
They need to just up the mount speed for all the other mounts, its god awful slow. I refuse to ride any other mount now that i have those.
 
I honestly just don't see how it is fair that the boombox mounts should be faster but the ones people paid for are not. The chances of getting the boombox mount is so awful. I had 160 boomboxs and never saw one. There were people who got them on their 3rd box in my guild. So they were rewarded with blind luck. I have not killed avatus so i do not have the avatus mount and most people don't the fact that that mount looks soooo awesome is great in and of itself. The kitty mounts are ok, but they move faster, idk why people have a problem with other players paying to have those. Imo its just people upset they didn't dish out cash for one because they didn't have it or didn't know it was fast, and others who didn't want to dish out plat for them either. I don't feel sorry for anyone. I rolled the dice on the mount and i failed, so i bought 2 more and got what i wanted. I paid a premium for the speed. There is no skill based gain from there. Only a slight time saver and i am all for nerfing it in the one and only pvp game its usable in.	
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 idk why people have a problem with other players paying to have those. Imo its just people upset they didn't dish out cash for one because they didn't have it or didn't know it was fast, and others who didn't want to dish out plat for them either. I don't feel sorry for anyone. I rolled the dice on the mount and i failed, so i bought 2 more and got what i wanted. I paid a premium for the speed. There is no skill based gain from there. Only a slight time saver and i am all for nerfing it in the one and only pvp game its usable in.
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they were not advertised as being faster like the warpig and luminous equivar were, you paid extra money to take advantage of something that was not intended. I don't feel sorry for anyone who did that if/when it gets nerfed.
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			There are mounts in the game that are intended to be faster.  They say so on their tooltips before you learn them.  If a mount doesn't say it's faster on its tooltip but ends up being faster, you need to be told it's a glitch?	
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Nah, that's not a legitimate way of framing this. They weren't advertised as not being faster than the basic mounts either. Everyone knew they were faster. For nearly two weeks now. And the vast majority of people who bought boxes to get these mounts or paid plat for them did so knowing that the mounts were faster and that Carbine had said absolutely nothing to indicate this was unintended.
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because Carbine didn't immediately drop to its knees and grovel at your throne
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Yes strawman harder it's really amusing.
 
"grovel at your throne," really. You read too many bad fantasy novels, I think.
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			This will be fun when the news spreads around every MMO gaming site that Carbine sold hundreds of boxes for weeks to players buying them for mount speed, then nerfed the mounts. I'm sure that will attract a large influx of new people.See the thing is, Vince, no one cares if this game lives or dies except for us. And stuff like this is just another nail in the coffin.	
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This will be fun when the news spreads around every MMO gaming site that Carbine sold hundreds of boxes for weeks to players buying them for mount speed, then nerfed the mounts. I'm sure that will attract a large influx of new people.
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			I wish common sense would prevail in that scenario, but unfortunately I don't think it will.  All those people knew it probably wasn't intended, but because Carbine didn't speak up right away, they can fall behind that logic to support themselves and their outrage.  SMH.	
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This is an idiotic thing to say, and seems like borderline trolling to me. No one knew it was "unintended." I smell a very strong sense of entitlement and a desire for revenge in your posting.
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This is exactly the reason I keep it in my head that Carbine is staffed by human beings capable of mistakes, people who are under the constant pressure of deadlines and a weakened game-state.  It's why I remember all the mistakes I, as ArenaNet QA, watched go out the door powerless to do anything about it because there was no time to fix it or because a director said it wasn't worth fixing before a hotfix.  Shit happens.  It's not easy in an agile/scrum/rally work environment to immediately publicly speak about a problem.  Incorrect implementations happen, too.  I try my damnedest to remember all of that when things like this crop up, and it's why I ask that standards already set by in-game items and policies be followed.
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Giving Billy the benefit of the doubt, I feel like at least SOMEONE other than myself and posters here were caught off guard by these things being outside of level and riding skill constraints.  All of the other points of this argument aside, that pretty squarely falls into the "too good to be true" area of thinking.  I know I was shocked to hear about these mounts having both improved speed AND no level restriction.
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This is a dumb thing to say, and seems like borderline trolling to me. No one knew it was "unintended." I smell a very strong sense of entitlement and a desire for revenge in your posting.
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Savage Warpig and Luminous Equivar say right on their tooltip that they ignore riding skill level and are faster than normal mounts.  I don't know what the Avatus mount says, I can't remember what it's called off the top of my head and I've never seen it linked, but I'd imagine it too says in its tooltip that it's faster than normal mounts.  Common sense tells me that since the game has mounts that are supposed to be faster and they say so in their tooltip, if other mounts are supposed to be faster than normal their tooltips will say so too.  Since the fat cat and glittery hoverboard don't have those in their tooltips, to me it says they aren't intended to be faster than normal mounts.  How is it dumb to come to that conclusion?  How is it trolling to point it out?  What strong sense of entitlement am I displaying?  Who/what am I trying to get revenge against?  If the speed mattered to me, I would have bought them despite how ugly I personally feel the mounts are.  But since I don't care about the speed, it means nothing to me that I don't have them, or that I didn't take advantage of other people's desires to have them by getting boxes and selling them for stupid amounts of plat. 
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http://www.jabbithole.com/items/data-drifter-mount-49294
 
While it doesn't have any text denoting riding speed, it's the only Legendary quality mount item and is restricted to level 15.
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I would honestly be really burned if they nerfed the speed. A lot of people went out of their way to get the mount for the speed increase. that was kinda the catch, you pay real world money and not pocket change either. Why on earth would i pay $20 for a mount that moves slow >.>
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http://www.jabbithole.com/items/data-drifter-mount-49294
 
While it doesn't have any text denoting riding speed, it's the only Legendary quality mount item and is restricted to level 15.
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Snarf is legendary too, actually. Wouldn't be a huge shocker if it had the same speed as the only other legendary mount in the game.
 
http://www.jabbithole.com/items/snarfelynx-mount-71877
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I paid 3 times that amount for the deluxe mount which is just as fast as the standard mounts.
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Snarf is legendary too, actually. Wouldn't be a huge shocker if it had the same speed as the only other legendary mount in the game.
 
http://www.jabbithole.com/items/snarfelynx-mount-71877
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			Level one account mounts sounds awesome. GONE ARE THE DAYS OF THE LEVEL 20 HOVERBOARD!	
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Well it's certainly out of the ordinary. But what else is out of the ordinary? Getting a free mount or costume for buying a boxed copy of WildStar. It's a paradigm shift, so I don't think it's strange for people to think this mount they're paying money for is going to be special.
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To be clear, I don't really give a damn that the box mounts are faster than or as fast as the datascape one. I dont really mind that fact very much. I mean if you paid 30USD for a box you should get a decent mount. Not the fastest in the game, but definitely not snail slow either.
 
The thread is: "Why are cat mounts lightspeed fast but Deluxe hoverboard is turtle slow?".
 
Id honestly rather see a buff to the hoverboard rather than a nerf to the box mounts. Ideally they should both be faster than base, but slower than DS bike. Endgame > Cash Shop > Basic.	
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To be clear, I don't really give a damn that the box mounts are faster than or as fast as the datascape one. I dont really mind that fact very much. I mean if you paid 30USD for a box you should get a decent mount. Not the fastest in the game, but definitely not snail slow either.
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Snarf is legendary too, actually. Wouldn't be a huge shocker if it had the same speed as the only other legendary mount in the game.
 
http://www.jabbithole.com/items/snarfelynx-mount-71877
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			does the cat also make jumping out from high places ok'ish now? I did this yesterday and i barely took any dmg:)	
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The devs need to reduce the mount speed on those box mounts, so as to not cheapen the work people put into paying the 80 plat for the advanced riding speed. Or they can increase the speed from the 80 plat riding increase.
 
Otherwise they 1. make alot of current players upset
2. lose one of the goldsinks in the game that is used to balance the economy slightly.
3. lose playtime from characters in form of having to farm money to buy that riding speed increase.	
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does the cat also make jumping out from high places ok'ish now? I did this yesterday and i barely took any dmg:)
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It's been a while since I played mine, but pretty sure Engineers do not have a movement ability.
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To be fair, anyone can jump from a really high place and not get hurt badly - all classes have a movement ability they can take for this eventuality. Though if it's the only mount that can do this, that would be bad.
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It's been a while since I played mine, but pretty sure Engineers do not have a movement ability.
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			sometimes its "poof poof poof" though	
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sometimes its "poof poof poof" though
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It's been a while since I played mine, but pretty sure Engineers do not have a movement ability.
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			I'm an explorer and i have a skill of safefall or whatever..but the cat takes FAR less dmg from the same height comparred to the safefall thing	
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			Simply use gate styrm just before hitting the ground.	
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If I had my way, the fix would be something like this:
1. Buff Data Drifter (Avatus) mount to be faster than Snarfelynx and Glitter Kitty Hoverboard. Savage Warpig and Luminous Equivar mount to same speed ('top speed').
2. Buff Eldan Hoverboard to be the same speed as Snarfelynx and Glitter Kitty Hoverboard ('high speed'). Implement a high-speed PVE or, better, PVP mount.
3. Have the 80p Expert Riding License buff normal mounts by the listed amount, high speed mounts by less, and top speed by some, but little. Perhaps the 35% listed of normal mount speed as a static number, but I think that -might- be a little absurd.
4. Have 'top speed' mount speeds reduced to 'high speed' in Daggerstone.
 
I'd also like to see an in-game buyable ground mount faster than the normal hoverboards (but not the high speed ones). Hoverboards are pretty much strictly better than ground mounts when unlocked; the only reason to use a ground mount ATM is being too low a level for a hoverboard or *style*. Given that hoverboards fall differently and can cross water, it'd be nice to give players a reason not to keep using Provisional Equivar Licenses until they get a hoverboard and then never use a ground mount again.	
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			sometimes you want to use the ground mount over the hoverboard, in the instance of jumping large distances into water! Hoverboard would make you go splat when you might have just went splash instead	
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sometimes you want to use the ground mount over the hoverboard, in the instance of jumping large distances into water! Hoverboard would make you go splat when you might have just went splash instead
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			true!	
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Simply use gate styrm just before hitting the ground.
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Hey folks,
 
I've been chatting with the dev team about this - and it definitely is NOT working as intended. There should be a fix coming up soon. 
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If I had my way, the fix would be something like this:
1. Buff Data Drifter (Avatus) mount to be faster than Snarfelynx and Glitter Kitty Hoverboard. Savage Warpig and Luminous Equivar mount to same speed ('top speed').
2. Buff Eldan Hoverboard to be the same speed as Snarfelynx and Glitter Kitty Hoverboard ('high speed'). Implement a high-speed PVE or, better, PVP mount.
3. Have the 80p Expert Riding License buff normal mounts by the listed amount, high speed mounts by less, and top speed by some, but little. Perhaps the 35% listed of normal mount speed as a static number, but I think that -might- be a little absurd.
4. Have 'top speed' mount speeds reduced to 'high speed' in Daggerstone.
 
I'd also like to see an in-game buyable ground mount faster than the normal hoverboards (but not the high speed ones). Hoverboards are pretty much strictly better than ground mounts when unlocked; the only reason to use a ground mount ATM is being too low a level for a hoverboard or *style*. Given that hoverboards fall differently and can cross water, it'd be nice to give players a reason not to keep using Provisional Equivar Licenses until they get a hoverboard and then never use a ground mount again.
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The obvious answer would be to bump the speed up on some dungeon board that someone has worked hard for, but do not take from those who pay your salaries and help you out.
 
That is my $.02
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