107479-total-lack-of-streamer-support-is-killing-the-twitch-exposure-no-vet-rewards

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This is just my personal opinion, please don't hate me.
 
 
Reality check - Twitch is "today's tv".  In case this has not dawned on the devs here this is what everyone watches.  Between netflix, Amazon and other services a lot of people no longer have cable tv as there is zero need for it.  People want to watch what they want and when they want it.  This is where you need presence, and it's painfully lacking.
 
Complete lack of Twitch streamer support - There is zero twitch support from Carbine.  The 4 to 5 devs that do come to Twitch all go to the same channel that nobody knows about.  What is the login in having 5 Wildstar devs in one channel ?  None.  You don't send devs to Twitch to have them all sit in one underpopulated channel and not interact with viewers.  Spread out, spend an hour in each channel, talk to people, answer questions, give something away every day - You need to keep bringing people into the game, constant influx of new players.
 
It's all about critical mass & interaction - Right now, as I write this, Wildstar is not even in top 30 most watched games on Twitch.  This is not unusual, this is the current state of Wildstar streams and it's getting worse by the day.  Yes, by the day, things move quick in this age of interwebs.  You either start giving people reasons to get involved and care or you fall off the radar, and if you look at the number we have fallen off the radar already.  This should be a priority.
 
Your official Twitch stream is just sad at this point - You know what, whoever works behind the scenes on setting up your Twitch streams is doing a great job but please re-evaluate what kind of image you want to put out into the world as far as who is streaming and how.  The whole super "I don't care so I am just going to joke and laugh at everything" approach was fun when these started but that was a long time ago and now it's just annoying and sad.  I don't want to tune in to one of these just to see someone acting like they just ate a pound of shrooms.  If you make a harder game for more hardcore crowd how about you also carry that through with your marketing/streams.  How about some substance in these streams.  How about making them appealing to your target player base.
 
Disconnection between target player base and marketing strategy - Partially covered in the previous point.  You seem to know very well what kind of game you made but you don't seem to have a clue how to approach your target player base.  Wildstar is never going to have a broad appeal, it's too hard for most casual players.  Your average casual WoW player gets an anxiety attack when doing dungeons in Wildstar.  Stop for a moment, regroup and re-focus on your target player base.  When you market to casuals and supply hardcore experience you do disappoint players and loose then rather fast.  Your msg has to be consistent with the product and right now it;s nowhere near that.
 
No Veteran rewards ? - Just log into Rift and see what they did.  That's all I have to say.
 
Look at what other trending games do - This one is obvious but look at other quickly trending games like Smite, DOTA2 and whatever else there is.   These guys, aside from having staff solely dedicated to supporting Twitch, go as far as putting random Twitch streams of their games right on the front page.  I am not saying you have to do that (though it is a great idea imo) but what I am saying is re-examine your support for your customers generating free multimedia content, your customers building online communities, lore nuts, theorycrafters, min maxers....etc...
 
 
OK, That's all I have.  I love this game, subbed for 12 months and it's just so upsetting for me seeing how this whole thing is slipping away.  believe it or not but you dropped the ball big time and we are already past the time when Wildstar could have been an overwhelming success with millions of players.  Now it's time to fight for enough of a player base to maintain your whole team as it is now.  Those of us who have been around enough have seen the usual way things go with layoffs once projects did not turn out to be gold mines, let;s try to avoid that here.	
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You're probably missing the fact that they're partnering with both Twitch and Alienware @ Gamescon. 
 
 
See here:   http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/gamescom-livestreams-in-game-loot-and-more/
 
 
Basically during all next week Twitch will be promoting Wildstar at Gamescon (and most likely their website directly on the front page).
 
 
Also so far they've had some really cool rewards of the Strain Snuggler healm (right name?) and the Baret hat too.    Mind you I think everyone can have them in their account ,but they're still rewards available to current players of hte game.
 
 
 
The developers also do 2....count them: 2! Live Streams each and every week for Wildstar.  These streams consist of content sneak-peaks,  interviews with team leads, state-of-game reports, and more.    	
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To put this into perspective:
 
Euro Truck simulator has over six times the viewers right now
Kirby's Dream Land has just over three times the viewers.....
Don't starve has three times the viewers
Monkey Island 2 has over twice the viewers...
Terraria has almost twice the viewers
Tibia has more viewers	
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I don't watch Twitch, therefore "it's what everyone watches" is invalid.  :D
 
On topic: I don't think the answer to Wildstar's current predicament lies with Twitch, for the reasons Siphaed mentioned; that being said, I do think -something- needs to be done. I won't pretend to know what that "something" is (trust me, if I knew exactly what it took to make a game a resounding success, I would be pursuing a career in game development as opposed to hanging out on this forum) but I hope Carbine has a plan of action. No official subscription numbers have been released yet, of course, but people seem to be leaving in droves and it has me worried. I say this because I love Wildstar and want to keep playing it. If Carbine can't pay the bills, I can't play Wildstar. D:	
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			MMOs are not the popular type of games to watch in the first place. The only exception is WoW because it is WoW, not to mention people stream from the BETA too. Most MMOs are down the list as well but let's be honest: watching someone wipe in dungeons or raids is not my idea of fascinating. WoW streams tend to be PvP streams and we know just how imbalanced that is on WildStar.It is an amalgam of things. People will watch anything though. There's a "Fish Plays Pokemon" that has more viewer than ArcheAge and Diablo III and even sat at the top row for a while.	
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MMOs are not the popular type of games to watch in the first place. The only exception is WoW because it is WoW, not to mention people stream from the BETA too. Most MMOs are down the list as well but let's be honest: watching someone wipe in dungeons or raids is not my idea of fascinating. WoW streams tend to be PvP streams and we know just how imbalanced that is on WildStar.
 
It is an amalgam of things. People will watch anything though. There's a "Fish Plays Pokemon" that has more viewer than ArcheAge and Diablo III and even sat at the top row for a while.
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			What's the point of a Wildstar stream? I mean I watch Dota or SC2 streams because these are competitive games which involve skills but watching a nerd do his daily quests seems completely pointless to me, no wonder why there is no viewership.	
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I dont watch twitch either , to many douchy guys with hats and beards lol ( just annoyed at seeing these clone type people) :P ,..
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I've never once in my life sat down and watched Twitch. I have to much respect for myself than to watch some idiot spew mindless drivel while playing games, and GETTING PAYED for it while I actually work every day. Screw that. I'll watch real television,with real stories than support streamers.
 
Just my opinion, Sorry.	
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			What's Twitch?	
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			Twitch is popular, but you have to keep in mind it's not going to singlehandedly (or affect much) the people playing when all people are seeing is raids and dungeons. Honestly, Wildstar is a game to be experienced. I don't see how watching would generate much entertainment. Typical MMO stuff.	
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Not a lot of people are streaming WildStar. I think the most I have seen likely is around 500 viewers, total. I know MMOs are a bit boring to watch but I would love to see the viewer amount go up as a whole. I think a nice fun thing would be for the devs to perhaps start really promoting community player streams. I am someone who watches streams on Twitch at least 5x a week and I try to stream 1-2x a week for a few hours myself. 
 
I think streaming is a great way to promote your game. Maybe they could offer some sort of in-game code to streamers to give to viewers. Maybe something along the lines of XP boosts for leveling.	
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Your official Twitch stream is just sad at this point - You know what, whoever works behind the scenes on setting up your Twitch streams is doing a great job but please re-evaluate what kind of image you want to put out into the world as far as who is streaming and how.  The whole super "I don't care so I am just going to joke and laugh at everything" approach was fun when these started but that was a long time ago and now it's just annoying and sad.  I don't want to tune in to one of these just to see someone acting like they just ate a pound of shrooms.  If you make a harder game for more hardcore crowd how about you also carry that through with your marketing/streams.  How about some substance in these streams.  How about making them appealing to your target player base.
 
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I've never once in my life sat down and watched Twitch. I have to much respect for myself than to watch some idiot spew mindless drivel while playing games, and GETTING PAYED for it while I actually work every day. Screw that. I'll watch real television,with real stories than support streamers.
 
Just my opinion, Sorry.
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I've never once in my life sat down and watched Twitch. I have to much respect for myself than to watch some idiot spew mindless drivel while playing games, and GETTING PAYED for it while I actually work every day. Screw that. I'll watch real television,with real stories than support streamers.
 
Just my opinion, Sorry.
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I'm glad to hear these responses to Wildstar's 2 days a week Twitch streams by the developers. I thought I was the only one that got so annoyed with their constant jokes and screwing around that I quit watching.
 
I want to hear informative information on the game  I paid $75 for and $15 a month, I'm not saying don't have fun and tell a joke here and there but for the full hour? Give me pertinent information and status on the game and plans for the future etc. Not Christopher Walken imitations. If I wanted to watch a sketch comedy I would.	
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I don't get paid for it..that I know of?
And I'm not an idiot..I'm super funtime awesome healer and you know you wanna watch me :D
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			just putting this out there...but since the arenas seem to be a bit of a mess maybe that is what might be hurting it the most? I dunno, I rarely watch twitch unless it's a developer doing something or a charity event. However I noticed that majority of the twitch shows i have caught were pvp oriented...	
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If you're a partner, you get a cut of the ad revenue.
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			Eh, the only time I've watched twitch was when that "twitch plays pokemon" was a thing and it was in some of the webcomics I read.	
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I don't get paid for it..that I know of?And I'm not an idiot..I'm super funtime awesome healer and you know you wanna watch me :D
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			I'm never watching things on Twitch either.	
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I'm sorry if that seemed hostile or insulting. I'm just not a fan of the medium. I've never liked watching people play games or sports etc. I'd rather go play myself. I also think that some streamers fans ruin the entire concept becsuase some of these streamers become "the authority" to some of their fans on games and some of these streamers suck, but because they have "fans" people spread their opinions etc. So I guess my gripe is more with the streamers fans than the streamers themselves.
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I'm glad to hear these responses to Wildstar's 2 days a week Twitch streams by the developers. I thought I was the only one that got so annoyed with their constant jokes and screwing around that I quit watching.
 
I want to hear informative information on the game  I paid $75 for and $15 a month, I'm not saying don't have fun and tell a joke here and there but for the full hour? Give me pertinent information and status on the game and plans for the future etc. Not Christopher Walken imitations. If I wanted to watch a sketch comedy I would.
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I don't mind their twitch channel and that's probably because I always miss it during work hours. When I actually get to see it on live It can get boring at times, but I would like if they talk about the game more in all concepts and really get into deep details.
 
They really need to step it up though I do not see anyone hanging on til that WoW expansion comes out. Believe it or not GW2 at the very start manage to keep server populations around medium through high for a long time until they server merge which was even better on their end.
 
To see this game do a server merge this early will be a bad taste in my mouth so I hope they can do something to bring up server populations and grab peoples interest to play.
 
If this game was legit then even WoW streamers would be promoting it today, but unfortunately Wild Star is uninteresting for them.
 
 
 
Please truly take every feedback into consideration whether it's boring, bad or good. If it helps the game in the long run then by all means do it.
 
I do not see my friends coming back to this game, so I have to start over with a new batch. I do hope this game gets better before WoD comes out.
 
P.S
I really do enjoy this game though I wish support power worked well for tanks in damage.	
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I don't comsider that real Television either. That's just slightly more brain dead than the streamers
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People just don't go to twitch for Wildstar with no event / tournament / Whatever. Same goes with most MMORPGs (WoW excluded since people will still jump to Swifty's stream while he's out of his house and the cameras still roll).
 
The majority of Twitch users go there for League of Legends / DOTA2. But if they're partnering with twitch, it'll be nice to see maybe some new players coming in.	
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People just don't go to twitch for Wildstar with no event / tournament / Whatever. Same goes with most MMORPGs (WoW excluded since people will still jump to Swifty's stream while he's out of his house and the cameras still roll).
 
The majority of Twitch users go there for League of Legends / DOTA2. But if they're partnering with twitch, it'll be nice to see maybe some new players coming in.
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And Reckful, and Towelliee... point being that WoW has insanely popular personalities streaming it(and WoD raid testing is going on, which helps inflate numbers), WS doesn't.
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			Never watch twitch due to the wrong time zone, their youtube dev speak is quite boring and I would rather listen it in podcast.	
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I'm never watching things on Twitch either.
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Same here.
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Twitch numbers mean very little. ARR has 2 million subs and regularly rates at the bottom of Twitch even though it's on PC and Console. Twitch doesn't hurt but it's not a great barometer. Most of the people that cover the popular games are Career streamers. They will play it, even if they hate it, if it means more ad money.
 
 
 
*bah I can't sleep :D*	
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and thats because to attract streamers with personality..you need a game that isnt a frustrating mess.
 
League, DOTA, WoW, Starcraft 2, etc. They have fun and interesting streamers to watch because while those games have flaws, theyre all also insanely fun and decently balanced games.
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I actually, honestly, really didn't know what Twitch was until I started playing this game.
 
Having now discovered what it is, I can't think of anything I'd want to do less than watch other people play a video game live.  If I had to, I sure as Hell wouldn't pick any MMORPG.
 
I've watched YouTube guides to learn boss fights and I catch reviews for games that contain gameplay, but that's about as close as I get.
 
I understand it must be somewhat important, though, since Carbine's making such a big deal about it.  I know it's a thing on the PSN that Sony won't shut up about.  Personally, though, that sounds like when we used to be at arcades, watching other people play.  I hated watching other people play; the only reason I'd be watching was because somebody else was on the cabinet and I was waiting for them to *cupcake* off.
 
Actually taking time out of my day to stream someone else playing a game doesn't sound in any way appealing, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Wildstar's "core" audience (the people who are going to be long-term permanent residents) don't find it appealing either.  It sounds like being a driver sitting in the passenger seat while someone else drives, your foot slamming into the imaginary brake.	
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and thats because to attract streamers with personality..you need a game that isnt a frustrating mess.
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			I think I'd rather just play the game, rather than watch someone else play it. I never understood the obsession with Twitch, or eSports etc..	
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I think I'd rather just play the game, rather than watch someone else play it. I never understood the obssession with Twitch, or eSports etc..
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 How  many twitch streams  have you browsed?  Because  it not terribly hard to find   streamer i that will match you  play styles, personality and interests. there is also alot of really  cool communities.  So   if you  give  twitch a  change  you get a  an  interesting combination chat room, live show ,talk radio show.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN2jDtRNuCI&list=UUy1Ms_5qBTawC-k7PVjHXKQ
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I don't understand the obsession with Twitch.  I have a community in game to interact with.  I play how I like.  If I need instruction on anything I'm just going to look it up, which will take all of five minutes.  I can't think of a single MMO that I would want to watch someone else play for entertainment value.  I can maybe understand watching PvP matches, but even then it's a stretch.  Most of the streams I've seen are downright bad.  Most of the time either they serve no purpose (random guy doing random things), they're instructional (I have google, and it's faster), or the person streaming is downright being a douche to get attention (there's reality TV if you want that kind of entertainment).
 
I've seen many game forums where people cry that a game is dying because Twitch numbers are down, when in reality all those numbers mean is that Twitch activity is down.  It's a fad, and a silly one at that.  The only purpose it serves is social interaction, which people can get from any number of sources.
 
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there is also alot of really  cool communities.  So   if you  give  twitch a  change  you get a  an  interesting combination chat room, live show ,talk radio show.
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			 I want vet rewards too ,maybe a cape / cloak and big hulking mounts similar to the woolly mammoths in WoW .	
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No Veteran rewards ?
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			The Beret was a Vet reward, they are calling it Loyalty rewards... Well that's how I see the beret as.	
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Some fair feedback here, though I'll leave the criticism of Tony & Frost's streams to them, as apart from appearing on the recent WildStar Weekly, I have very little to do with the streams content.
 
Though I would say that every Tuesday for Nexus Report, they usually have a Developer come on and answer questions or discuss new content. WildStar Weekly is definitely more silly and about Frost/Tony's personalities.
 
Anyway, we are all very aware of how important Twitch and YouTube are in today's culture. I'm much more of a YouTube guy than I am a Twitch watcher myself, but I understand how important it is and what an impact it has had on the gaming Community.
 
The difficulty with WildStar is that unlike DOTA, LoL or SMITE, you can't just jump in and watch a couple of quick "games". Being an MMORPG, there is a lengthy process to get to end-game which is where the most exciting content is (PvP & Raiding), so it's harder to stream and requires a bit more knowledge to watch.
 
We don't have staff that we can dedicate purely towards Twitch, so we won't be able to do what SMITE or similar folk do. Any Devs that go into streams are doing so in their own time and off their own back, it's not part of a strategy but them using their free time to interact with a streamer they enjoy.
 
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I love Frost and the twitch shows are hilarious. I wouldn't watch for a second if it was just dry news and facts. I can read posts and recaps for those. 
 
Twitch and mmos... Who wants to watch anyone grind normal mobs?!?! Lol	
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Twitch and mmos... Who wants to watch anyone grind normal mobs?!?! Lol
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Any time someone mentions "how can anyone stand to watch XYZ!" I'm reminded that we all enjoy different things ;) For example, some people like to watch sports - and some people most certainly do not enjoy watching sports. There doesn't have to be any rhyme or reason to it, we just all like different things ;)
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Any time someone mentions "how can anyone stand to watch XYZ!" I'm reminded that we all enjoy different things ;) For example, some people like to watch sports - and some people most certainly do not enjoy watching sports. There doesn't have to be any rhyme or reason to it, we just all like different things ;)
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I love Frost and the twitch shows are hilarious. I wouldn't watch for a second if it was just dry news and facts. I can read posts and recaps for those.
 
Twitch and mmos... Who wants to watch anyone grind normal mobs?!?! Lol
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One, I don't see Twitch as being the end-all be-all gaming mecca that some are making it out to be. I generally hate live-streams, unless the talent is VERY entertaining and can minimize dead-air.
 
Two, the dev's shows on Twitch accomplish what they set out to do. They have segments on new content or game features, or updates on patch content/bug fixes. They also involve the community with fan art and moments-of-the-week, and questions taken from Twitter and chat. They try to have a little fun as well. They obviously are setting out to have a show that isn't entirely Srs Bsns, but does cover items important to the game.	
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I'm gonna join in with Twitch being blown massively out of proportion. As of this exact moment, LoL is 1st with almost 100k viewers, Dota 2 2nd with 70k, Hearthstone with 32k, CS Go with 12k, SC2 with 9k, Minecraft with 7k, and WoW with 7k. That's the top 7 games on right now, and frankly that's not that impressive.
 
The more I look at Twitch, the more I think it's success is on the MOBA stuff and little else. Minecraft has sold 20M+ copies and has "just" 7k viewers, the biggest MMO in the world is "just" 7k viewers as well, FIFA has sold almost 20M copies and is 4.6k viewers, CoD Ghosts just 2.6k, Diablo 3 just 2.5k, etc.
 
Twitch is just not as big of a deal as the hype around would lead you to believe.
 
That said, that doesn't mean you can't improve coverage of Wildstar.	
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Twitch is like watching Golf, and is just as interesting.  "Ooh.. will he slot Reverie or Projected Spirit for this fight?  can't wait can't wait!!"
 
And I sure as hell don't want a webcam feed of the player at the same time.  *shudder*
 
Vet rewards.. they already have some, and it's silly to consider yourself a "veteran" after only a few months anyway.  Call back in a year.	
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Not a lot of people are streaming WildStar. I think the most I have seen likely is around 500 viewers, total. I know MMOs are a bit boring to watch but I would love to see the viewer amount go up as a whole. I think a nice fun thing would be for the devs to perhaps start really promoting community player streams. I am someone who watches streams on Twitch at least 5x a week and I try to stream 1-2x a week for a few hours myself. 
 
I think streaming is a great way to promote your game. Maybe they could offer some sort of in-game code to streamers to give to viewers. Maybe something along the lines of XP boosts for leveling.
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Many of you can say "I don't see what the big deal is/I don't do Twitch/YT for gaming/I don't see the point in watching others play/etc." However, that doesn't change the fact that video media sites for gaming is a big thing now, and will honestly only get bigger with time.Thing is as someone who is active on the Twitch community, and follows a lot of the other WS streamers I actually agree with what the OP is saying here. 
 
Now I'm not saying it's an end-all-be-all, but I don't think it should be outwardly dismissed as some as you seem to be doing. Carbine devs have a presence of Twitter, Reddit, and Facebook; so, I don't think having a larger presence on Twitch is going to hurt. Second, I've watched a lot of WS streams where people have viewed people playing the game, and then decided to actually buy and play the game themselves. 
 
Most of you posting on this thread right now might not care for it, but acting dismissive towards it doesn't change the fact that it gets millions of viewers in traffic on a daily basis.	
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			Twitch's relevance is taking a hit right now thanks to their new partnering with Audible Magic. New stream site alternatives are already going up in response to the sell-out "Google-fication" and kowtowing to copyright crybabies.	
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			To be clear, I am not being dismissive of your idea or concern.  If you like watching other people play a game instead of playing it yourself, more power to you and yours.. just saying I'll be in game.	
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			I'm a little confused about one part of the OP in particular - veteran awards.Are we really saying that the players who started playing two months ago are "Veterans" and should be rewarded for their loyalty? Isn't it a little soon for that? Or am I missing something?	
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			Veteran rewards. Just realized that Ultima Online had those. Not sure how that turned out but I think those started after the sixth month. WildStar is a bit...young...to have veteran rewards.	
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			As usual, people whining about wanting shinies all the time for little to no reason. Nevermind them.	
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I'm a little confused about one part of the OP in particular - veteran awards.
 
Are we really saying that the players who started playing two months ago are "Veterans" and should be rewarded for their loyalty? Isn't it a little soon for that? Or am I missing something?
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To be clear, I am not being dismissive of your idea or concern.  If you like watching other people play a game instead of playing it yourself, more power to you and yours.. just saying I'll be in game.
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Is twitch that pokeymans thing?
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			Not too many people watch mmo streams on Twitch, because it turns out that a lot of mmos are boring to watch even if they are fun to play.	
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I both stream and watch many Wildstar streams. I disagree on the dev support.
 
There are many devs that go to Wildstar streams, however they all go to the same 3/4 streams. I have watched many many streams and the only ones I have seen them in have been Carthh's, Zybak's, Zealot's and Caelix's. All 4 are top end raiders, 3 from Enigma and one from Eugenic. I have never seen them in any other stream (they may have come in, but never spoke to the chat or the streamer). 
 
I have seen Nohbob, Timetravel, Asyreal and a few others in any one of those streams. However, it has only been those streams. The devs stated that it was all done on their free time and nothing to do with a strategy or anything. They talk to us when they can and answer questions. I know exactly what it's like to answer questions while at work to users and while I would love to do it all the time, I can't. I highly appreciate the fact that they take that time out of their schedules to come on even for a bit, however:
 
I would like to see is spreading the love out a bit. Just because other streamers aren't top end raiders and are "only" doing your veteran dungeon/PvP content doesn't mean you shouldn't pop in and watch and say hi or listen to us as well (this applies to many other things, not just Twitch). We lesser skilled humans are important too XD
 
 
(That last sentence was sarcasm about being lesser skilled)	
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Tossed out tv 6 years ago...my TV is youtube and some times Twitch.
 
In the end, MMOs are hyper boring to watch while things like MOBAs are not.
 
MOBA = similar to a RL sports game. There is no advantages from equipment and is all based on mostly skill.
 
MMO = zzzzZZZZzz /yawn.
 
How exciting would it be to watch a 1800 dude and or premade stomp the crap outa pugs for hours on end? Heck with all the flashing lights and teles, I am not sure anyone watching can tell what the heck is going on anyways.	
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Tossed out tv 6 years ago...my TV is youtube and some times Twitch.
 
In the end, MMOs are hyper boring to watch while things like MOBAs are not.
 
MOBA = similar to a RL sports game. There is no advantages from equipment and is all based on mostly skill.
 
MMO = zzzzZZZZzz /yawn.
 
How exciting would it be to watch a 1800 dude and or premade stomp the crap outa pugs for hours on end? Heck with all the flashing lights and teles, I am not sure anyone watching can tell what the heck is going on anyways.
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Yeah, the one that Google just bought and is about to kill, exactly.
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			Yea, last WS stream I watched (briefly) and it was buncha 1800s in PBGs spawn camping newbs going on and on and on saying the most lamest things ever. As to how anyone would find that enjoyable I don't really know. They certainly made it a point to discourage new players and nobody learns nothing other than how to abuse an exploit. Sure there is some really great streamers out there but none of them play WS and I can see why. :(	
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I'll never understand the appeal of watching other people play games, but different strokes for different folks, I guess. 
 
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I'll never understand the appeal of watching other people play games, but different strokes for different folks, I guess.
 
I also could never could understand the appeal of reality television or keeping up with what random celebrities happens to be doing, yet they're multi-million dollar businesses.
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Guess it all depends on what you watch. Steaming is usually boring as heck unless the people doing it are fun and or entertaining.
 
I watch youtube vids mostly that has editing.....vanoss gaming, h20 delirious, chaboyy, daith nogla, pewpewdie, azzy, sean anders, stampy, gaming lemon, nerd plays, etc; many of those are just awesome and even their streams are cool.
 
WS, sadly, does not have those types of players and probably never will. /shrug.	
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I'll never understand the appeal of watching other people play games, but different strokes for different folks, I guess.
 
I also could never could understand the appeal of reality television or keeping up with what random celebrities happens to be doing, yet they're multi-million dollar businesses.
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			This is interesting.  I take away from this thread that I should be watching Euro Truck Simulator on Twitch.  	
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			When they fix PvP, the twitch streams will get better. Right now the only compelling twitch streaming to watch as far as WS goes is the raiding and right now most of the high end guilds don't stream their progression runs. Competitive gameplay is what drives people to watch twitch streams. Right now there isn't much of that going on in Wildstar the way it is in other eSport-driven games like DOTA2 and LoL.	
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Some fair feedback here, though I'll leave the criticism of Tony & Frost's streams to them, as apart from appearing on the recent WildStar Weekly, I have very little to do with the streams content.
 
Though I would say that every Tuesday for Nexus Report, they usually have a Developer come on and answer questions or discuss new content. WildStar Weekly is definitely more silly and about Frost/Tony's personalities.
 
Anyway, we are all very aware of how important Twitch and YouTube are in today's culture. I'm much more of a YouTube guy than I am a Twitch watcher myself, but I understand how important it is and what an impact it has had on the gaming Community.
 
The difficulty with WildStar is that unlike DOTA, LoL or SMITE, you can't just jump in and watch a couple of quick "games". Being an MMORPG, there is a lengthy process to get to end-game which is where the most exciting content is (PvP & Raiding), so it's harder to stream and requires a bit more knowledge to watch.
 
We don't have staff that we can dedicate purely towards Twitch, so we won't be able to do what SMITE or similar folk do. Any Devs that go into streams are doing so in their own time and off their own back, it's not part of a strategy but them using their free time to interact with a streamer they enjoy.
 
That said, I'd love to know what else people think we can do to support Streamers.
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			              I was watching movie trailers late one night and saw a clip for new mmo Wildstar. Watched it, liked it, saw another for an hour long dev chat and discovered Twitch for 1st time :) Having class/pvp/pve/lore/engineering/art devs and team leads on talking about the game, playing it, answering questions and more was awesome! All this beta action (plenty of glitches in game, devs getting dead playing their class- from overpulls maybe?) and enthusiasm from these folks got me to buy and subscribe. Compared to the SWTOR ones, done in the breakroom and hosted by some angry ladies on the community team, the Nexus Report and Wildstar weekly are full of info and interesting personalities. Something to look forward to watching when I get home after work.             To Frost and Tony to CRB Non, Aodz, TheMuffinMan (Handsome Kevin), Cougar, BigPappy and all the rest that have strapped a mic on or played in the group runs ( Kaewyn keeping Tony alive during Sabotage was epic! ) Thank you! To the hobby and tradeskills, art, pvp and class leads that take the time to talk about their section of this amazing world and taught me a bit how to some of this stuff I bow in your general direction ;) To Shadowblades, SaltyOkra and all the chat denizens that ask the tough question, submit fan art and the vids for EPIC MOMENT OF THE WEEK! much appreciation for all the effort and talent!           Just my 2 coppers worth :)	
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              I was watching movie trailers late one night and saw a clip for new mmo Wildstar. Watched it, liked it, saw another for an hour long dev chat and discovered Twitch for 1st time :) Having class/pvp/pve/lore/engineering/art devs and team leads on talking about the game, playing it, answering questions and more was awesome! All this beta action (plenty of glitches in game, devs getting dead playing their class- from overpulls maybe?) and enthusiasm from these folks got me to buy and subscribe. Compared to the SWTOR ones, done in the breakroom and hosted by some angry ladies on the community team, the Nexus Report and Wildstar weekly are full of info and interesting personalities. Something to look forward to watching when I get home after work.
             To Frost and Tony to CRB Non, Aodz, TheMuffinMan (Handsome Kevin), Cougar, BigPappy and all the rest that have strapped a mic on or played in the group runs ( Kaewyn keeping Tony alive during Sabotage was epic! ) Thank you! To the hobby and tradeskills, art, pvp and class leads that take the time to talk about their section of this amazing world and taught me a bit how to some of this stuff I bow in your general direction ;) To Shadowblades, SaltyOkra and all the chat denizens that ask the tough question, submit fan art and the vids for EPIC MOMENT OF THE WEEK! much appreciation for all the effort and talent!
           Just my 2 coppers worth :)
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Eyyyyy! Well said, my friend  ;)
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			the op claims no one watches tv? tv is definitely the most watched device in the world. 50 fold. 	
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			Please stop luring away devs from Chua's channel!	
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(not read thread cause lazy-mode :P)
 
SMITE features channels and streamers in game. you can basically watch streams while waiting for your match. Consider this as a feature in WS while waiting for your BG/Arena/WP pop or waiting for raid start or whatever you waiting for these days (e.g. Scorch, R-12, etc).	
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			Most people that watch Twitch Stream raiding does so because they raid or enjoy it . With wildstar the 2% translates to every aspect and therefore if people don't get to raid or see content , they could care less about watching others do it , if there is no chance of them ever getting to raid . Worst structure ever in a MMO . Lets build a game that a million people would love to play .... wait wait wait ..let put up walls and run 98% of them off , sounds like a epic game ... Yeah if your the 2% . Fail Fail Fail	
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Most people that watch Twitch Stream raiding does so because they raid or enjoy it . With wildstar the 2% translates to every aspect and therefore if people don't get to raid or see content , they could care less about watching others do it , if there is no chance of them ever getting to raid . Worst structure ever in a MMO . Lets build a game that a million people would love to play .... wait wait wait ..let put up walls and run 98% of them off , sounds like a epic game ... Yeah if your the 2% . Fail Fail Fail
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			I agree , they should of added a normal  level .That stood alone and had no effect or ties to the current one . You could run either	
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			I really want to stream for Wildstar. I have wanted to do it since the moment I started playing. But I can't. The idea of streaming Wildstar dungeons,pvp and raids is embarassing. I get those '2-3 second' freezes too frequantly since August and It is really holding me backwards from streaming as I don't want to give the game that kind exposure :( .It might not be bad enough to ruin my enjoyment of the game but it certainly is horrible to create a wildstar vid with this level of instability.	
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I really want to stream for Wildstar. I have wanted to do it since the moment I started playing. 
 
But I can't. 
 
The idea of streaming Wildstar dungeons,pvp and raids is embarassing. I get those '2-3 second' freezes too frequantly since August and It is really holding me backwards from streaming as I don't want to give the game that kind exposure :( .
 
It might not be bad enough to ruin my enjoyment of the game but it certainly is horrible to create a wildstar vid with this level of instability.
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This game needs a really good streamer to play their game. Its not all about gameplay.Look at someone like Lirrik, he's a very casual gamer, but he's hilarious and he knows what people want.
 
Its tough to say whether this game will have a 'good streamer' but it wouldn't hurt. Zybak is ok' he's really the only guy I can think of with at least a little bit of personality. Even though I haven't gone searching for someone yet.
 
But have 20-100 viewers on twitch is really really bad. We need like a community to all go watch Wildstar streams at the same time like 1000 of us so it can at least get to top 15.	
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			Contrary to popular belief, Twitch has nothing to do with success of a game.	
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