119827-is-the-game-dead-advice-needed-not-a-rant

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Hi guys, 
 
After having the most amazing time of my life on release, i was throroughly enjoying the game like everyone else. 
 
With the issues a few months after launch (mainly PvP) i decided to have a break.
 
On return i was assigned a server (i believe one of the mega servers) in EU, cant remember the name, not jabbit, the PvP one. #
 
However i logged into illium to find not a single living breathing soul around?
 
Am i missing something here? surely there are people still playing? is it the server i am on?
 
Many thanks for any replies in advance..
 
Tron	
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			A lot of people trying new xpacks in WoW or SWTOR, while waiting for new drop(s).	
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The EU PvP server us FUBAR, empty and will never recover. Any player who doesn't take some sort of pride to be the "last man standing" moved to jabbit.
/thread. :)	
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Many thanks for the reply
 
Yer i think i will move over to jabbit tonight after the advice. 
 
Tron	
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The EU PvP server us FUBAR, empty and will never recover. Any player who doesn't take some sort of pride to be the "last man standing" moved to jabbit.
/thread. :)
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The EU PvP server us FUBAR, empty and will never recover. Any player who doesn't take some sort of pride to be the "last man standing" moved to jabbit.
/thread. :)
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Medic field probes destroyed bgs. 
 
Warrior + healer comps destroyed arena.
 
Don't expect any games till Carbine significantly nerfs those classes and that's not going to happen anytime soon.	
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The EU PvP server us FUBAR, empty and will never recover. Any player who doesn't take some sort of pride to be the "last man standing" moved to jabbit.
/thread. :)
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No, this is a rude and convoluted statement. It's also detrimental to the player base, telling people instantly if they are on Luminai to "move" is just wrong. There are still guilds that are actively recruiting, might just be a couple of guilds, but they still exist.
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You know what, I wrote out a huge long essay about how we shouldn't be fighting between ourselves and how we should be working together to fix balance between the servers, but I managed to select it all and delete it in my groggy, half awake state.
 
Spreading outlandish opinions like that is not going to help people want to play there either. That is your opinion, and unless you spend time on the server and see how close the community actually is, and how much actually goes on (it is just harder to find), you can keep having it. Honestly, I don't demerit your view... but I really do disagree. There are 4 or 5 very vocal people from luminai who post on the forums, there are a lot more than you think, from my guild alone, who read these forums and shake their head at some of the things that are said about us. We are all the same! Just on a smaller server.
 
My post was an offer for OP to join a pvp guild if he so wished on the pvp server, I just got annoyed as if a person from Jabbit had posted, I would have pointed them towards Niliana or Olivar, as they both seem well connected and friendly. I would just appreciate people doing the same for the other server too, instead of instantly discrediting the whole server and not letting people try before they move...
 
(By the way, you know one of the 40 man guilds could theoretically move here and start trying to balance things out, seen as that was half of the cause of the split and rivalry in the first place)
			
				
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The opposite is also true. What you are doing is detrimental to the player base, telling new players to play on an empty server will cause them to quit (this has already happened to several new players on Luminai).
 
People that are not playing this game in general have a negative opinion on Wildstar, due to the amount of negative publicity this game had... Everywhere you go you will hear people say ded gaem whether its joking or serious. Therefore having those skeptical people start on Luminai because a couple guilds feel like they want to re build that server is a very bad idea, as they will immediately jump to the conclusion that all the rumors are true and simply leave.
 
You will not be able to re build Luminai with simply getting new players in, because those new players will quit the game after they see Luminai. The only way to fix Luminai is to have a mass transfer from Jabbit to spread the population which isn't going to happen voluntarily because nobody wants to take the first step into a dead server... Carbine has to interfere or RIP Luminai. 
 
Luminai as it currently stands is bad for Wildstar. It is hurting the game more than its doing good. And i actually get annoyed everytime i see the few of you on Luminai try to get new players to join you, not because i want them to join my server, but because i don't want to see them quit the game...
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The problem is that people think it can be solved. It will not be be solved. Either you stay on a server that will get a very limited supply of new players, you transfer to Jabbit or you quit wildstar.
 
Luminai will always be left in the dust, but for some reason some players that are stubborn enough to stay there thinks carbine can magically make the very limited EU playerbase return to the server. It wont happen.	
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Are we allowed to use magic? Then I'd have a situation that'd rebuild Luminai in  matter of a few days.
 
Serverwide buff to xp, renown, influence, reputation and prestige by 50%. Remove the rating required by PvP gear (since we are a PvP server) and voilá you'll all be coming back.
 
Is it likely to happend? Don't think so. But don't come here saying Luminai will not ever recover, not even with magic.	
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Are we allowed to use magic? Then I'd have a situation that'd rebuild Luminai in  matter of a few days.
 
Serverwide buff to xp, renown, influence, reputation and prestige by 50%. Remove the rating required by PvP gear (since we are a PvP server) and voilá you'll all be coming back.
 
Is it likely to happend? Don't think so. But don't come here saying Luminai will not ever recover, not even with magic.
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You know instead of you guys blindly following this "omg luminai is dead and will never recover and all people who are on luminai are stubborn and are breaking the game", have you actually come to the server and got involved with the community?
 
This hate you have for us is unjustified and silly. 
 
And yes, I'm proud of my guild, regardless of what server it is on. I don't need to have a populated server to have a happy, healthy guild.	
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OP, Luminai does have a relatively small population by all accounts, but the people there are dedicated to keeping it going and building it up. And they will, given time--unless the people on Jabbit manage to poach everyone away.
 
Jabbit has more people, but since it's not a PvP server there's obviously a very different PvP environment from a PvP server.
			
				
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Hey all, 
 
I cleaned up this thread a little to keep it on track. Please remember rule #1.	
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Hey all, 
 
I cleaned up this thread a little to keep it on track. Please remember rule #1.
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			sheesh... Reading this is just... Painful. PvP in Wildstar at the moment is in a bad place as a whole. Yes, I'm angry about the situation on our server. Very angry. Yes, I decided to chill out and just not to play Wildstar for a while (especially having in mind that I'm swarmed with end of semester work), but to say that people are staying on the server just because they're "proud"? That the server "will never recover"? Just don't. You don't need to be a donkey to others just because you disagree with them. Population wise Jabbit > Luminai, but community wise both servers have great people that you can go out and meet. Stating that one is better than the other "because I said so" and that all the people on the other server are "big proud jerky poo poo heads" is just childish. 	
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But... but mirta...
 
/cheeky smile
 
YOU ARE A BIG PROUD JERKY POO POO HEAD
 
/runs off giggling	
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Honestly, Sylqt isn't just on the money, but also probably the best person to plug you into the community.
 
Populations vary, but the pure and simple truth is that, in Wildstar, the entirety of the game is made exponentially better when you be social.  If you're logging on hoping willing servants fall like rain whenever you need to get 20 people together for Lightspire, you're going to be disappointed whether you're on Luminae or Entity.  Once you're plugged into the community either through your guild, circles, or chat channels, any server that fits your mood is worthwhile.
 
Not to say the population isn't lighter on Lightspire, or EU in general.  However, there's only so much population can do for you, especially in a game like Wildstar where coordination, whether in PVE or PVP, is so essential to success.	
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You guys need to look at this from a new player PoV... All your reasoning why Luminai works is from a veteran player who has been on Luminai before the disaster that is one way transfers happened, and are trying their best to make it work.
 
Are there several new players coming to Luminai and quitting before they even reach 50 due to population? if the answer is yes, which it very much is, then my point stands that Luminai is hurting Wildstar. 
 
Most new players are not coming to Wildstar after hearing good things about it because most of the news out there is bad. They are coming despite that willing to give it a chance, and if the first thing they see is confirming the bad things they heard (ded gaem) then they will leave really fast. New players are not willing to withstand server issues until it gets fixed, maybe veteran players like you are, but don't expect new players are as patient as you, i rather have them on a populated server so they can get into the game and not quit.	
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I have had new players come onto luminai, come into our guild and surprisingly enough NOT QUIT and are willing to endure the population issues because they sought out the community in an MMO.
 
Do some people come onto Luminai and quit because of population issues? Probably yes. 
Do some people come onto JABBIT and quit because of population issues? Probably yes.
 
Do some people come onto the game willing to give it a try and leave regardless of the server they are playing on? Yes.
 
You know the best thing? Most people don't even visit these forums before starting to play, and people who would want to pvp and have that mindset would automatically come onto the pvp server thinking it is their place to play, you don't have the chance and can't keep ushering players to Jabbit all the time when they first join the game, we need to fix the situation within the community so that both servers are healthy for new players!
 
Or do you just not understand this? No, because apparently we are full of pride and are annoying.
Having two servers with two great communities that are interlinked and friendly with each other is far more healthy than the current feud we have between the EU servers. The people who are so heavily opposed to Luminai need to really lighten up and realise that the server issue is not going to fix itself, that Luminai will not get closed YET (and if it did, I'm pretty sure it would be when there are far less players than there are on there atm, so a way aways), and that you need to overcome this silly discrimination over a SERVER CHOICE.
 
Also, even though your comment about our server got censored out, I and a few other people, will not forget it.	
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You know the best thing? Most people don't even visit these forums before starting to play, and people who would want to pvp and have that mindset would automatically come onto the pvp server thinking it is their place to play, you don't have the chance and can't keep ushering players to Jabbit all the time when they first join the game, we need to fix the situation within the community so that both servers are healthy for new players!
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I have had new players come onto luminai, come into our guild and surprisingly enough NOT QUIT and are willing to endure the population issues because they sought out the community in an MMO.
 
Do some people come onto Luminai and quit because of population issues? Probably yes. 
Do some people come onto JABBIT and quit because of population issues? Probably yes.
 
Do some people come onto the game willing to give it a try and leave regardless of the server they are playing on? Yes.
 
You know the best thing? Most people don't even visit these forums before starting to play, and people who would want to pvp and have that mindset would automatically come onto the pvp server thinking it is their place to play, you don't have the chance and can't keep ushering players to Jabbit all the time when they first join the game, we need to fix the situation within the community so that both servers are healthy for new players!
 
Or do you just not understand this? No, because apparently we are full of pride and are annoying.
Having two servers with two great communities that are interlinked and friendly with each other is far more healthy than the current feud we have between the EU servers. The people who are so heavily opposed to Luminai need to really lighten up and realise that the server issue is not going to fix itself, that Luminai will not get closed YET (and if it did, I'm pretty sure it would be when there are far less players than there are on there atm, so a way aways), and that you need to overcome this silly discrimination over a SERVER CHOICE.
 
Also, even though your comment about our server got censored out, I and a few other people, will not forget it.
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Right now, there's a dearth of players right now playing WoD.  If they weren't connected to the community, they could very well be playing CoD for all it matters.  MMORPGs are founded around players getting to interact with players.
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Do some people come onto Luminai and quit because of population issues? Probably yes. 
Do some people come onto JABBIT and quit because of population issues? Probably yes.
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My reasoning for that quote was that people will quit regardless of population on either server.
Even Jabbit isn't as populous as some of the bigger servers on WoW, so they will think "game ded" when it most definitely isn't.
 
Ofc OP wont see people on the server, because generally people who are about are out and about DOING THINGS instead of being stuck in a capital city. People online in my guild right now are mostly either in their housing, or an instance. NONE of them are in the capital city!
 
I like the state of my server, I dislike this constant discrimination and "gtfo off it before you quit" stupidity you guys are having. That is poisonous, not my annoyance that people don't just kindly direct someone in the direction of the ACTUAL COMMUNITY on Luminai as well as telling them to consider the free transfer option.
Jesus, what's so poisonous about that.	
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What does this mean? I particularly don't get the dearth of players in WoD bit... did you mean to use another word?
 
I'm gonna argue that MMORPGs are founded around players seeing other players, not necessarily doing things with them, which is an important distinction. I make this argument primarily because lots of people prefer to play an MMO solo, which has been noted by Carbine and is evident through general experience. They don't want to feel obligated to game with everyone they meet, or talk to them, but they do like having folks around because it makes the game world feel real. This is just like real life; I don't personally want to go out and talk to/play with everyone I meet, but I definitely want to see people around.
 
Consequently, if seeing is at least as important as doing, then large population/high activity servers are as important as having a good/accessible community.
 
I've played on a fishbowl WoW server (Shadow Council) and I've played on a large, active WoW server (Proudmoore). Regardless of how you plug yourself into these distinct environments, you're going to notice a big difference in attitudes, progression, and opportunity. And I would say that the kind of server you like isn't about fault, it's about preference, so if Wildstar's comparably small server populations don't feel right, it's not up to the player to get over it and find a good guild. Finding a suitable guild/community can be hard enough in a medium population environment, in Wildstar's situation, I find it kind of brutal.
 
The main point is that Carbine needs to do everything they can to foster clustered, healthy populations, while the community does what they can to make the game inviting and enjoy themselves.Both parties carry some responsibility in this, but, ultimately it's Carbine's game and its failures will be their failures, IMO.
 
One final opinion, I no longer endorse the "Wildstar has lots of private instances so that's why it looks emptier than usual" argument. There's really not much reason for a gameplay advocate who isn't an RPer to be hanging out on anyone's housing plot. Cities in other MMOs have draw; obviously, for being what they are, but also because of services like the auction house and other vendors. So basically what I'm saying is, given the whole Wildstar population, I would be incredibly surprised if even 20% of players are spending a significant amount of time on housing plots. (This is coming from a player who spends a lot of time there— it's not that active on Dominion side, certainly much less so than in summer.)
 
The argument worked when lots of players were building and visiting. Again, at least on Dom side, this isn't the case any longer and hasn't been for months.
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I thought I'd buy the game at the sale price and play over the holidays to pass some time using the 30 days the game comes with.  I see on average a couple of other players every hour around me and Chat seems almost dead.  It's like a ghost town, but at least I can do quests.missions without interruption I suppose!
 
With this, and the fact that the game is just a warmed-over rehash of every game I've ever played, featuring nothing new to provide interest or excitement, I know I won't be subscribing.  I don't hate the game, it's just... bland.	
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I thought I'd buy the game at the sale price and play over the holidays to pass some time using the 30 days the game comes with.  I see on average a couple of other players every hour around me and Chat seems almost dead.  It's like a ghost town, but at least I can do quests.missions without interruption I suppose!
 
With this, and the fact that the game is just a warmed-over rehash of every game I've ever played, featuring nothing new to provide interest or excitement, I know I won't be subscribing.  I don't hate the game, it's just... bland.
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My advice? Hit level 50...
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I can guarantee that'll never happen.  I've seen this "the game begins at X level" advice before in other games and, frankly, playing through umpteen levels of tedium to find the supposedly "good stuff" is a waste of my time.  Been there, done that, won't do it again.  What you find interesting at that stage of the game is no guarantee that I'll find it interesting anyway.
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Lately I've seen a good number of people rushing to get attuned AND a good number of people looking to help them out on Entity. There seems to be some sense of urgency to this. Some of the smaller guilds have been failing to round up enough people to raid. This in turn discourages those who log in to raid. Repeated failures results in those players taking a break/walk away from the game.
 
After the last roster boss failure we've started a circle called "Weekend Raiders". Its purpose is to build a community of people who enjoy the game, are patient, and enjoy helping others - be it adventures, dungeons, world bosses, whatever. A community of available people who are attuned, who are proficient at handling the various encounters, and geared, the more likely it is that people will be available to raid. There are those of us who've been doing this ad-hoc for some time; it's the circle that's new.
 
This circle was just started this past Friday (Dec 12th). Our intention is to build this community up in time for our first raid on Saturday, Jan 3rd.
 
If interested, please contact:Winkus Dinkus
Chet Awesomelaser
Fyre Flameleaf	
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