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People, It is so annoying reading posts like this :
 
" I love the game, i wish it was awesome.. the combat is great, the pve is great, the environment is great, but since "X Factor is broken, I am quiting and going to another game". 
 
Those posts are getting annoying... Just leave.. you don't need to make a huge personal vendeta...Just leave , hopefully you will come back later... but complaining on the forums does nothing but bring people down.
 
I understand pointing out your complaints with the system, and trying to get stuff fixed... but why do it like a 11 year old girl who just got her period for the first time?  Instead just point out the issue, support it with facts, and then you are done..
 
Trust me, I work retail and when a customer is a "cupcake" i will not give them the best service, eventhough I will try my hardest to sell to him, it wont be the best...
 
I am sure the devs are the same way...
Possitive attitudes will encourage the devs to make a better game, they will love the ideas we are giving because we aren't sitting here burning them...
 
I dunno, those are my two cents...	
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You can't tell me what I can post
Stop whining like an eleven yr old girl	
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People, It is so annoying reading posts like this :
 
" I love the game, i wish it was awesome.. the combat is great, the pve is great, the environment is great, but since "X Factor is broken, I am quiting and going to another game". 
 
Those posts are getting annoying... Just leave.. you don't need to make a huge personal vendeta...Just leave , hopefully you will come back later... but complaining on the forums does nothing but bring people down.
 
I understand pointing out your complaints with the system, and trying to get stuff fixed... but why do it like a 11 year old girl who just got her period for the first time?  Instead just point out the issue, support it with facts, and then you are done..
 
Trust me, I work retail and when a customer is a "cupcake" i will not give them the best service, eventhough I will try my hardest to sell to him, it wont be the best...
 
I am sure the devs are the same way...
Possitive attitudes will encourage the devs to make a better game, they will love the ideas we are giving because we aren't sitting here burning them...
 
I dunno, those are my two cents...
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I AM GOING TO LEAVE,
 
 
 
 
 
the forums and play the game,
 
 
 
 
Bye! =)	
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People, It is so annoying reading posts like this :
 
" I love the game, i wish it was awesome.. the combat is great, the pve is great, the environment is great, but since "X Factor is broken, I am quiting and going to another game". 
 
Those posts are getting annoying... Just leave.. you don't need to make a huge personal vendeta...Just leave , hopefully you will come back later... but complaining on the forums does nothing but bring people down.
 
I understand pointing out your complaints with the system, and trying to get stuff fixed... but why do it like a 11 year old girl who just got her period for the first time?  Instead just point out the issue, support it with facts, and then you are done..
 
Trust me, I work retail and when a customer is a "cupcake" i will not give them the best service, eventhough I will try my hardest to sell to him, it wont be the best...
 
I am sure the devs are the same way...
Possitive attitudes will encourage the devs to make a better game, they will love the ideas we are giving because we aren't sitting here burning them...
 
I dunno, those are my two cents...
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No, positive attitudes will encourage them to keep doing what they were. The I'm leaving threads tell the devs why they are leaving since unlike most other MMOs that care why their customers don't want their product anymore have a questionnaire asking why you're going. If you don't like it don't go on the forums.
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I am sure the devs are the same way...
Possitive attitudes will encourage the devs to make a better game, they will love the ideas we are giving because we aren't sitting here burning them...
 
I dunno, those are my two cents...
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You can't tell me what I can post
Stop whining like an eleven yr old girl
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I think they simply forgot to integrate a questionnaire, just like the "Show only online members"-button for the friends- and guidlist.
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			Seriously I just want to beable to invite players and have them not get pissed off at the game and stop playing.. forcing me to recruit more.. to level up.. train up.. and then have them quit as well because they hit a wall and can't go any further.When you have 250 people in your guild on a saturday night and only you .. your wife .. and your buddy log in thats not cool.	
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probably would help the developpers more if those I quit actually had constructive criticism... nothing to do once you hit 50 except raiding! well, that's the case for pretty much every MMO out there, isn't it? boring dailies ... yep. doing the same quest every day get boring.... no open world PvP well, not carbine fault if people don't like open world PvP despite claiming they do like it...
 
 
Long story short, most of them just consume content faster than carbine ( or any other company, to be fair) can produce it, or they are just one of the many who jump  ship after few week of playing ( you know, the reason every single MMO out there since WoW had a decline in population after launch).
 
there's very very little valuable feedback comming from those thread... as someone who also worked in retail during my younger years... some people are just cannot be made happy ( or, the only thing that make them happy is complaining).	
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probably would help the developpers more if those I quit actually had constructive criticism... nothing to do once you hit 50 except raiding! well, that's the case for pretty much every MMO out there, isn't it? boring dailies ... yep. doing the same quest every day get boring.... no open world PvP well, not carbine fault if people don't like open world PvP despite claiming they do like it...
 
 
Long story short, most of them just consume content faster than carbine ( or any other company, to be fair) can produce it, or they are just one of the many who jump  ship after few week of playing ( you know, the reason every single MMO out there since WoW had a decline in population after launch).
 
there's very very little valuable feedback comming from those thread... as someone who also worked in retail during my younger years... some people are just cannot be made happy ( or, the only thing that make them happy is complaining).
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Who are you to tell me what not to do. 
 
I think I'm going to LEAVE NOW.  Take That!	
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			actually threatening to leave is the logical thing to do, its voting with their money. obviously a lot of people are not happy with their current speed of getting things fixed. 	
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actually threatening to leave is the logical thing to do, its voting with their money.
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Threatening to leave isn't voting with money. Actually leaving is. :P
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well, opinions are by nature a subjective thing, but to me it always reads like this:
 
"i looked forward to meeting you, i was hyped. for a long time i had the best time of my life, i loved you, you are awesome, we have the same interests, we have life altering sex, you are everything i could have ever wanted, you were supposed to be the chosen one and bring balance to my life and you did. BUT THEN... i had seen your small toe... it is ODDLY SHAPED! i mean... FOR REAL! the marriage is OFF and i NEVER WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN, you SUCK! even that fact that you HAVE a small toe! and i dont care that EVERYONE else got a small toe as well... doesnt mean that YOU have to... and i TOLD you about the oddly shaped toe and you DID NOTHING! you failed!"
 
i am always like "wait ... what?". it always starts with how much fun ppl have and how they like the game, and then they state reasons that are either totally trivial to me, already announced to be fixed soon, or are just natural MMO issues. i just dont get it all the time.	
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Granted, it wouldn't stop 'all' of the 'i quit' threads, but there is no exit poll (when you cancel your sub) for why players are leaving, and it's vital to a company to know why so many of their customers are leaving.
 
While the threads may annoy you, they are an important step in moving the game in the right direction. The good thing about those threads are, you don't actually have to click on them just because they are there, and thus, shouldn't annoy you at all.
 
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You obviously have not read any I quit feedback, most of the ones I have read leave valid concerns in a constructive way.
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People, It is so annoying reading posts like this :
 
" I love the game, i wish it was awesome.. the combat is great, the pve is great, the environment is great, but since "X Factor is broken, I am quiting and going to another game". 
 
Those posts are getting annoying... Just leave.. you don't need to make a huge personal vendeta...Just leave , hopefully you will come back later... but complaining on the forums does nothing but bring people down.
 
I understand pointing out your complaints with the system, and trying to get stuff fixed... but why do it like a 11 year old girl who just got her period for the first time?  Instead just point out the issue, support it with facts, and then you are done..
 
Trust me, I work retail and when a customer is a "cupcake" i will not give them the best service, eventhough I will try my hardest to sell to him, it wont be the best...
 
I am sure the devs are the same way...
Possitive attitudes will encourage the devs to make a better game, they will love the ideas we are giving because we aren't sitting here burning them...
 
I dunno, those are my two cents...
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People, It is so annoying reading posts like this :
 
" I love the game, i wish it was awesome.. the combat is great, the pve is great, the environment is great, but since "X Factor is broken, I am quiting and going to another game". 
 
Those posts are getting annoying... Just leave.. you don't need to make a huge personal vendeta...Just leave , hopefully you will come back later... but complaining on the forums does nothing but bring people down.
 
I understand pointing out your complaints with the system, and trying to get stuff fixed... but why do it like a 11 year old girl who just got her period for the first time?  Instead just point out the issue, support it with facts, and then you are done..
 
Trust me, I work retail and when a customer is a "cupcake" i will not give them the best service, eventhough I will try my hardest to sell to him, it wont be the best...
 
I am sure the devs are the same way...
Possitive attitudes will encourage the devs to make a better game, they will love the ideas we are giving because we aren't sitting here burning them...
 
I dunno, those are my two cents...
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Trust me, I work retail and when a customer is a "cupcake" i will not give them the best service, eventhough I will try my hardest to sell to him, it wont be the best...
 
I am sure the devs are the same way...
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True - But you have to realise alot of new players interested in the game will be reading the forums for some feedback. If it's filled with these ridiculous threads - of course it's gonna scare new customers away. Which will only deepen the current problems
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See, how a customer behaves should have no impact on how you do your job. Even if they are being unreasonable, part of good customer service is knowing how to deal with every kind. And if we're perfectly honest, most of the people leaving feedback before quitting are voicing valid concerns, though they may sometimes be coloured by frustration.
 
You can't possibly know how devs feel about this and what they do with it. It sure seems better that they get feedback than have people just leave without a word. Feedback is inherently helpful, just depends on how it's received and sorted out. Obvious trolls are usually quite obvious.
 
The worst thing you can do to your customers is to dismiss them as being whiny crybabies. I sure hope Carbine are more professional than that.
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Well i must say, this topic is way more annoying than hundreds of "leaving" messages!
 
Plus, its a damn negative message for a person who talks about positiveness!	
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I would agree with you.
 
But from what I hear carbine hasn't implemented a feature like other MMO's do that ask why you're unsubscribing.
 
So carbine needs this feedback actually. 
 
 
When I unsubbed back in july (resubbed as of a week ago) they didn't have that feature. 	
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I would agree with you.
 
But from what I hear carbine hasn't implemented a feature like other MMO's do that ask why you're unsubscribing.
 
So carbine needs this feedback actually. 
 
 
When I unsubbed back in july (resubbed as of a week ago) they didn't have that feature. 
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			I'm not threathen. I already unsub. :( At least until Carbine step up their game and fix those known issues.	
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most people leave for a reason, i'll give you that... however a very small number of those are relevant.
 
People leaving over the attunement process... really? I totally agree that the primal pattern you are collecting from the world bosses should be retroactive, or that drusera could check your achievement window and see if you completed a silver dungeon before... but any guild that get stuck in the attunement process is in for a bad surprise once raiding start ( and it's not exclusive to wildstar... gearing / training new people is waaaaay worse than farming some world bosses) the rep is a solo grind, the adventure are puggable, there's pug successfully silvering STL and KV , and you can surely find a world boss circle if you try a little bit.
 
people leaving on the RNG of item? Cause people wouldn't be leaving if the items weren't RNG? if every item have the same fixed rune slot, there would be even less reasons to run the same veterans again...
 
Lack of content? These dungeons arn't Everquest 1 style of dongeon... would you rather have 25 tank-and-spank dongeon? Call me a white knight if you want, but these are actually high-quality dungeon with very few bugs for their complexity ( comparing to say,  The Secret World, where every boss of nightmare mode dungeon had a bug/ exploit / unforseen creative mechanic).
 
Then you have to figure out what people REALLY wants, and not what they claim they want... You want world PvP but probably sigh everytime a stalker gank you in crimson badland. A open world PvP with purpose ala Tol Barad / Wintergrasp, but will probably whine when PvP and PvE reward get mixed up ( or when the huge faction imbalance screw you over), You want hardcore stuff but somehow make the GA attunement look soo terrible.
 
That's why the vast majority of ' I quit' threads are worthless ; these are not constructive idea on how to improve the game... it's just a guy who bought wildstar because it was new, played alot, the freshness wore off, and now seek another MMO to hop on... and that kind of player represent the majority of nowadays MMO gamers ( hence why every single MMO since the release of WoW got a substantial drop in subs shortly after launch).
 
what are devs supposed to listen to? Fix your bugs faster! those 2 uncompletable quests in whitevale completly ruin your game or the i'm 50 and bored. please pump out more stuff to fill my 20-30 hours of gaming time per week... but no timesink, nothing that require large group of people since i'm not a raider, can't be too hard nor too easy... and do it every month  Ya.. thanks captain obvious.	
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You can say whatever you want, I know that the woman that comes in with her hands on her hips and throws a fit isn't going to be the one that makes me go the extra mile.  Customer service people aren't robots; they're people who like to be treated like they're doing a job to the best of their ability.
 
Carbine can try to be as professional as they want, in the end they're people and they would rather listen to your suggestion if its couched in evidence, logic, and understanding rather than snide cynicism and haughty imperiousness.  The former just doesn't get as many replies from other forum posters.
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I actually agree with the OP because many (in other games) seem to view the "vocal minority" complaint threads as the "majority opinion".
 
Game is new.  All "new games" in this genre have a "burn in time".
 
If everything that is "complained about" is still "de facto" in six months time, then yes, they are legitimate complaints.  Just give it time, learn to be patient, and use your "reason" instead of your "feels". :P	
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			Let me put is this way if they are crying then its because there is love for the game. I just re installed the game and ran the 1st dungeon and had a great time but in a love hate relation there are always ups and down. There is love for this game that's why so many cry. I love this game but we still need to complain and let our voices be heard. 	
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IF you are 100% happy with this game you should not at all be concerned about.. why someone is leaving..   But the reality is .. you are very concerned  that folks are leaving..  Maybe you won't reveal it.. but maybe your guild has dwindled down to 7 from 150. Maybe the  friend list you had which was vibrant and full of activity is now a ghost town of a friend list.. And seeing these posts.. scares you because deep down inside .. you are beginning to finally notice the issues that many stated before.. and you ignored them. 
 
Yes there are going to be I quit posts that mean nothing.. You know whats worse? Having folks who vanish.. without a word and leave no feedback and never return. A company will learn nothing from it. These I quit posts are not Aimed at you. They are not posted to anger all the Carbine Fanatics. They are posted because the player cared enough to share why they finally had it. 
 
So hopefully when the day comes that you yourself quit.. you would have the decency to let others know. OR you could just be silent and offer nothing.  Because this rant you made did not offer much either.	
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			I find it simply amazing that rather than take responsibility for yourself and NOT reaad those topics, you elect to eliminate EVERYONE ELSES option to vent. This generation NEVER ceases to amaze me.	
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			I just unsubbed due to the fact that my server is empty...pretty good reason to leave imo.	
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I just unsubbed because my party cant get silver and cant pass attument
I just unsubbed because my guild unable to raid and broke off
I just unsubbed because there is nothing to do for me than daily
I just unsubbed because 30x adventures/dungeons i still get no rewarding gears
I just unsubbed because pvp 1800 geared OP just owned me hard left and right not even in practice mode
I just unsubbed because bad itemization
I just unsubbed because my server become deserted
I just unsubbed because my friends all quit
and the list goes on...
 
That's basicly many reasons for ppl to unsub this game.	
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people leaving on the RNG of item? Cause people wouldn't be leaving if the items weren't RNG? if every item have the same fixed rune slot, there would be even less reasons to run the same veterans again...
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I just unsubbed because my party cant get silver and cant pass attument
I just unsubbed because my guild unable to raid and broke off
I just unsubbed because there is nothing to do for me than daily
I just unsubbed because 30x adventures/dungeons i still get no rewarding gears
I just unsubbed because pvp 1800 geared OP just owned me hard left and right not even in practice mode
I just unsubbed because bad itemization
I just unsubbed because my server become deserted
I just unsubbed because my friends all quit
and the list goes on...
 
That's basicly many reasons for ppl to unsub this game.
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Seeing the trees and missing the forest, my friend. Look at your own list:
 
1. not enough endgame content that my group can actually do.
2. not enough endgame content that my group can actually do.
3. endgame content that I can do is unrewarding and tedious.
4. content in general is unrewarding and tedious.
5. PvP fights between people with massively disparate gear
6. Reward system is unrewarding and tedious
7. The people I play with are gone.
8. The people I play with are gone.
 
There's some very common recurring threads in the reasons why people leave. All you have to do is actually think when you look at the complaint: what is the core problem that this complaint is getting at?
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If you only knew how very little it takes to flip that back completely - usually just some validation and a feeling that they're being heard is what makes most people drop the attitude and act like any other customer who feels appreciated. It's really not that hard to shut down a fit immediately and get the person to trust you. Like with all things in life, a little empathy and understanding goes a long way.
 
The customer isn't there to make the employee feel good, it's the other way around, that's the whole concept of "customer service".
 
 
I'm not saying anything about the quality of posts, how someone reads those is mostly subjective. Even the posts written in the most objective and rational manner rub some people the wrong way. All I'm saying is, feedback is better than no feedback, which is what I think this topic is about - the whole "stop posting you're quitting" thing.
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that's the point. 
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For people who's primary purpose is to max out and get to GA it's just in their way.
 
Imagine if every time you went to the grocery store there was one intersection that would randomly make you go around the block once before letting you continue. Now imagine it doesn't do it just once, but ten times. Now imagine there's not just one intersection but twenty of them...
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			You realize this is just going to encourage the kind of people who do that sort of thing to do it more, right? 	
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			No offense to the OP, but I'll do whatever I damn well please. Secondly, I haven't threatened to quit. I have quit, with my wallet. Wildstar gets ZERO money from me until the game changes, I finally accept that it's not the game for me, or I run out of plat for CREDD. As it stands now, I log in an hour or two to max EPs. Maybe get one level on an alt, and find myself saying, "I can't do this. This is awful".	
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			The fact is even the negative, ragey 'I quit' posts serve as a barometer for the developers. It helps them figure out the ratio between glowing, happy, praising posts and posts at the other end of the spectrum. If those kinds of threads bother you simply ignore them. You're better off focusing on being a positive part of the community by being kind to yourself as well as to others and giving critique that is as non-biased and helpful as you can make it. 	
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The fact is even the negative, ragey 'I quit' posts serve as a barometer for the developers. It helps them figure out the ratio between glowing, happy, praising posts and posts at the other end of the spectrum. If those kinds of threads bother you simply ignore them. You're better off focusing on being a positive part of the community by being kind to yourself as well as to others and giving critique that is as non-biased and helpful as you can make it. 
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There are no glowy happy praise posts.  The unfortunate fact is that everyone will come here when one thing breaks, but no one comes here to compliment them if almost everything works.  All forum posts, at least in a place like GD, serve as is a place to see what the trending issue is.
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You know, if I hadn't literally had people coming up to curse at me and use racial slurs at the top of their lungs because their goods weren't purchased from our store, and thus we couldn't return them for money, I'd agree.  But there is a way to go about being a customer that helps you.  And, having worked in retail for over a decade, I would never, ever walk into a store and act like some of these comments do.  Criticize the game, that's fine; I've done that plenty.  But there comes a point where you're shooting your own argument in the foot.  If I walked into a store, called out everything I didn't think was being done correctly, no matter how unrealistic it is, complained that I wasn't allowed to entirely skip the line, stood at customer service, and proclaimed at the top of my lungs that I would never shop at the store again because nobody there knew what they were doing and they were out of this hot-ticket video game, I'd imagine that would reflect poorly on me, not the store.  And why should they take me seriously?  They may want my money, they may hope I come back in a better state of mind, but they're under absolutely no compunction to take my opinion and suggestions seriously.  I would imagine they'd be even less inclined in that case.
 
The only difference is that what generally stops people from doing that is some kind of sense of responsibility and dignity, something you don't have to necessarily worry about on an internet forum.
 
I'm not about shutting down all criticism; I've distilled it into functional criticism plenty of times.  But that's entirely because any kind of meaning in most of the posts is buried behind a wall of self-aggrandizing bile.  And, yeah, if there was less of that and a bit more well-intentioned, well-thought, and well-meaning criticism, I wouldn't find it necessary to do.  It's necessary to tease this stuff out, but I'm under no illusion that if I'd decided to scream my potential changes at Carbine, I'd very much expect to be taken less seriously.  Why should they?  There's enough well-written suggestion threads here on the forums that they don't need to read every angry diatribe to put together a list of things they want to improve.
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Agreed, people tend to express themselves more when they're unhappy. But here's the flip side, praise and appreciation, in the context of a business, is given with our money and participation. While forums will always be (probably) a mostly negative experience, I would say the fact that most of these threads are negative should tell carbine something. I remember back in the day of DAOC, even when the game was at the peak of its popularity and quality, there were always 50 percent of the posts that really were just complaints, raging, etc.
 
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It seems about right for a launch.  Hell, WoW's forums still look like this.  Plenty of people are still venting at them for introducing mythic raiding, which seemed like a decent idea to me given how they run their content.  Launches tend to be horrible.
 
Not to say Carbine shouldn't listen to criticism, but the people who are staying but want something changed are the best people to address first, since they don't have to "come back".  I mean, you have some people who were (I kid you not) lighting the forums up for the first few days because they thought leveling should be removed from the game.  Getting to 50 was a "gate".  I'm kind of glad they didn't hop to and remove the entire leveling process because that was a trendy thing to dislike.
 
 
 
Therein lies the issue, and why I put that disclaimer in my post.  The internet isn't like a store.  People didn't learn to give constructive feedback on the internet, they learned that you get the most attention by shouting the loudest.  Seriously, it's a byline in almost all of these that they "love" the game and "will come back if this one thing is changed".  Which seems strange, since most of them are calling Carbine amateurs who didn't know what they were doing and are intentionally stealing people's money by tricking them into playing, etc.
 
In this store, since nobody even has to talk to a human being like they would at a service desk or call line, people default to bitter vitriol.  It's not just here, the hate expressed through anonymity and the death of dignity are well-documented parts of the internet.
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This game does not suffer from RNG; I can list at least a dozen MMO's with more RNG. It suffers from a player base that thinks they are getting Hard Mode WoW instead of Wildstar.
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To sum up: It's okay to act however you want anywhere because it's helping someone make their product better.
 
The whole internet anonymity deal and all that.....
 	
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There are no glowy happy praise posts.  The unfortunate fact is that everyone will come here when one thing breaks, but no one comes here to compliment them if almost everything works.  All forum posts, at least in a place like GD, serve as is a place to see what the trending issue is.
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Maybe CARBINE should follow US on twitter.
 
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No.
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This game does not suffer from RNG; I can list at least a dozen MMO's with more RNG. It suffers from a player base that thinks they are getting Hard Mode WoW instead of Wildstar.
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Uh, No. This game definately suffers from RNG. Just because others are worse doesn't mean Carbine didn't take it too far.
 
Yes to this No.
  
No to this Yes to the previous No.
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Hey all,
 
Since this is ultimately a thread about threads, and those never really end up being constructive, I'm going to lock this one up.	
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