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Dear CRB.
What in rowsdowers name is that thing on my action bar and how do I remove it?
It's a small bar in bright orange colour that says "Basic".
Is this the new banner you added to remind players they are not subed?
Is it something else?
I checked the interface options,there seems to be no setting for this.
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In case this is indeed a marketing incursion on the UI,here's a little feedback.
Sorry.
This is a game breaking issue.
NCSoft has a thing for adding all shorts of advertising and shop buttons in the
action bar,the continuously flashing shop button was bad enough,but at least that got
culled with an add on.
Well..See you again when an add on that hides this abomination and exiles it from my
beatiful action bar comes out.
Not to mention the utter stupidity of having to constantly remind me that i'm not payingfor a sub as if I'm an utter and complete idiot.
This is EA level of lameness and even more.
 
 
In case this is not a reminder advertisement for a sub,please ignore the above feedback.
 	
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			can you put up a screenshot? I'm not able to access the client at the moment to look	
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It's a little word at the bottom of the screen below your powerbar that either reads "basic" or "signature" according to whether you're subbed or not. Approximately the same font size as the currency listings in the base UI, snuggled between the EXP and Path EXP bars.
 
Not even remotely game-breaking, more like much ado about nothing IMO.	
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			Literally unplayable.	
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			If THAT'S game-breaking, then I think you've got bigger issues to deal with lol.	
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Okay so I saw another thread with a post of the screenshot here of it.
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/147973-new-exp-bar-and-signature-sign/&do=findComment&comment=1469982
(Thank you Revon, you're lovely)
 
I have a good idea of where it might be located and how I might be able to modify it to be less obtrusive or removed completely from the interface. I will let you know if I find anything!
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Okay so I saw another thread with a post of the screenshot here of it.
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/147973-new-exp-bar-and-signature-sign/&do=findComment&comment=1469982
(Thank you Revon, you're lovely)
 
I have a good idea of where it might be located and how I might be able to modify it to be less obtrusive or removed completely from the interface. I will let you know if I find anything!	
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			Well, it's big and it's yellow and I don't like it there, but I wouldn't call it game breaking, I'd simply call it ugly and unnecessary..
			
				
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Not game-breaking, but kind of rude to be honest.
 
I mean, a 100% up-time, always-visible reminder of your payment status? Seriously?
 
Pretty lame.
 
Okay, REALLY lame.	
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Not game-breaking, but kind of rude to be honest.
 
I mean, a 100% up-time, always-visible reminder of your payment status? Seriously?
 
Pretty lame.
 
Okay, REALLY lame.
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I agree, really unnecessary. I think people know if they are paying for the game or not. Just seemed like such a superficial UI change for no reason. 
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It definitely isn't game breaking but I don't understand the need to have this at all. Are we now catering to the intellectually challenged who are unable to keep track of wither they are subscribed or not?
 
If it has to stay then have it show up only at initial login and then hide itself after x amount of seconds and then it is only displayed again on character swap or subsequent logins but at least it isn't there all the time. 	
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Can't say it's game breaking, but both the "Basic" indicator and "Signature" indicator are abhorrent. I don't need an indicator with a 100% up time telling me that I'm subscribed. 
 
Much better if Carbine put the indicator in the Claim Daily Rewards box. It would remind people each day of their status, but not be the obtrusive eyesore it is now.	
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It definitely isn't game breaking but I don't understand the need to have this at all. Are we now catering to the intellectually challenged who are unable to keep track of wither they are subscribed or not?
 
 
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It definitely isn't game breaking but I don't understand the need to have this at all. Are we now catering to the intellectually challenged who are unable to keep track of wither they are subscribed or not?
 
If it has to stay then have it show up only at initial login and then hide itself after x amount of seconds and then it is only displayed again on character swap or subsequent logins but at least it isn't there all the time. 
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			I'm more annoyed that it breaks several rules of good UI design than anything else. Huge prominence given to a binary piece of information that has no impact on gameplay? Pointless.The base UI is cluttered enough without that.If they had been smart about it, they would merge the functionality and information into the already prominent Store button. Make it a blue button that glows green when you're signature, and a yellow button that glows red when Basic, and have reminder info appear as part of the store UI when you open it. Additionally, putting in a 30,20,10,5,4,3,2,1 countdown when your Signature is about to run out would be actual USEFUL information.Alternatively, put it somewhere on the login screen, like with the other account services. I see no reason to put it in the field of play.	
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			Why? Whose dumb idea is this?  	
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I didn't notice it really before I read here.
Now when I did it's annoying me a bit :P
But I will probably get used to it soon enough. They could have made it worse if they really want the feature to be there. 	
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I would like my button to say "Freebot"  At least it'd be entertaining. LOL 
 
(I don't actually see the flashy store or this new button. ForgeUI FTW!)	
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This is completely tacky and so beneath you, Carbine. It's an entirely redundant eyesore with no other foreseeable purpose than to annoy and drive people away. 
 
Everyone is perfectly aware of their signature status, we do not need a horrible eyesore in our UI to remind us. I'm honestly flabbergasted and can't imagine a single positive scenario where this doesn't mean more population loss for the game. If you want people to have a display for their signature status with actual information, then that belongs in the account inventory, possibly store or character select page.
 
You've created a hassle that people will work hard to work around, not something that will bring any kind of revenue.
 
If you need help, ask community for help. Put out more streams and advertise yourselves. Make all store purchases account-wide. But don't pull crap like this on us. People will just nope out and never look back, especially new players coming in. You've just made me not want to add any more signature to my account and not buy anything else from the store. Go the way of those games that remind you every friggin step "hey buddy, spend money!" and watch me nope out as fast as I did from those.
 
My first reaction was to think the Protostar have their own April Fools in December. Tell me this is what that is, because you surely must be joking.	
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I think if revenue is a problem, then Crabine needs to contact the people who own Mtn Dew and Cheetos (Pepsi Co, for both, in case you didn't know) and work out a sponsorship deal.
 
Like, replace the ubiquitous Protostar "ads" in-game with actual products (Wildstar-ified of course).
 
That was one thing I used to really love about APB. Instead of making a bunch of Zesti-Colas and Fruity Oaty Bars fake crap, they used actual products and made enough money that they're still going today, even after it flopped in original release.
 
I dunno. I mean, I get they're struggling - but holy crap. This is just laughably obvious and completely transparent in every way.	
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Yea, this is not cool. I decided to log and see it for myself before writing and... it's large enough and yellow enough to be pretty much always in my field of vision. What the hell? :mellow:
 
I don't even understand the reasoning. If this were a marketing ploy it would make sense to only give this thing to 'basic' players, as an encouragement to get sub status and remove the eyesore. But I'm a signature player and you're reminding me of this because... why?
 
Not exactly game-breaking for me (yet, we'll see how long my brain can endure having something I dislike constantly in my FOV). But I would call this a stepping stone to quitting the game down the road.	
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Why they would add such an eyesore, I have no idea. They added a buff icon, also. That would be plenty and not so intrusive.
 	
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			It's not just basics that have to suffer this obnoxious in your face reminder. signature has to look at SIGNATURE 100% up time, and it's even brighter than what basic has to look at.	
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			I don't need a big ugly button on a already cluttered UI to remind me of my signature status thank you kindly.	
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Well that was obnoxious.  Oh look Ms. Gamble Bunny's icon is flashing too, well nifty.  Guess this is the final straw that gets me to finally switch to ForgeUI.
 
CRB... hire some UI/UX folks who have a clue.  Or if you have them start listening to them and not the NCSoft beancounters who are crapping up your game.	
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Well that was obnoxious.  Oh look Ms. Gamble Bunny's icon is flashing too, well nifty.  Guess this is the final straw that gets me to finally switch to ForgeUI.
 
CRB... hire some UI/UX folks who have a clue.  Or if you have them start listening to them and not the NCSoft beancounters who are crapping up your game.
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I kinda figured.  The flashing is obnoxious.  Far better to just stick a counter on it with the number of gamble coins.
 
Did they change the store icon to not flash unless there's something new?  I noticed the addon that pulled its teeth tossed an error but the flashing was gone.
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An already cluttered UI just got more cluttered with big, intrusive, glowy buttons. Wonderful :/
 
The irony is that even if you pay to become Signature it doesn't go away.
 
And, just to rub salt in, the CalmMarketplace addon now gives an Addon Error. Funny coincidence that. 
 
This has all the class of a tacky mobile or Facebook game. Cheap. Tacky. DESPERATE.	
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The 'Ms. Gamble Bunny's' icon flashes only when you have Fortune Coins to spend. We all got one today. Use it and the icon stops flashing.
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			I have no addons and my store icon has no flashing thingy, it's just a plain button now	
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I have no addons and my store icon has no flashing thingy, it's just a plain button now
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Oh, there was a reason. Make no mistake.
 
This is nothing more than an in-your-face constant reminder that I am a Freebot. Even if I dropped $200 on Crabine Shop this month, I am still a "basic" player.
 
BASIC.
 
Plain, Flavorless. Unimportant. Small. The very minimum.
 
Insulting and rude in every way.
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This has all the class of a tacky mobile or Facebook game. Cheap. Tacky. DESPERATE.
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Yea the signature members shouldn't have one tbh.
Since it seems like the basic one is less annoying, perhaps it's a sight for sore eyes when signature ends rather than the opposite :P	
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			I can almost see a justification for this for basic players, an incentive to consider going signature, but for crissakes, why do the signature players have to suffer this eyesore? This should TOTALLY NOT be something signature players ever have to see.	
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I can almost see a justification for this for basic players, an incentive to consider going signature, but for crissakes, why do the signature players have to suffer this eyesore? This should TOTALLY NOT be something signature players ever have to see.
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I don't have that at all, have you tried entering the store or seeing if you've got something waiting? (pending nCoin purchase or something)
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			It's there to um, tell me if I have bonus experience with the experience bar or not.....right?	
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I guess it's not so bad now. Just has a orangy line going around the outside of it.
 
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Glad to read the ForgeUI makes this not a thing.
 
I'll bet it does encourage some people to sub, though. As lame as it is.	
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Glad to read the ForgeUI makes this not a thing.
 
I'll bet it does encourage some people to sub, though. As lame as it is.
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Glad to read the ForgeUI makes this not a thing.
 
I'll bet it does encourage some people to sub, though. As lame as it is.
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it doesn't, cause subscribers still have the banner >_> and ours is bright yellow
 
This decision is ~only~ stupid
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eh, don't underestimate the power of "you don't have the best" messages. I mean, I don't know cause it wouldn't work on me. But I'm not the target audience here.
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Sure, but how many people will this work on compared to how many people are bitching about its existence here? (both sub and non-sub)
 
Not convinced it's a great trade-off :huh:
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This is completely tacky and so beneath you, Carbine. It's an entirely redundant eyesore with no other foreseeable purpose than to annoy and drive people away.
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Hey, Carbine...
 
WTF IS THE DEAL WITH THAT YELLOW EFFING EYESORE ON THE BOTTOM MIDDLE OF MY SCREEN BELOW MY ACTION BAR????
 
Seriously?  I KNOW I AM A SIGNATURE PLAYER! 
 
Get rid of that shit, I mean do it yesterday.  That is the most ridiculous damn thing to see on my HUD...  Do I really need to know I'm on Signature status when I'm slinging spells at a giant monster?  FFS.  Fix this.  It's obnoxious as all hell, I can't freaking quit looking at it and I don't need a god damned warm-fuzzy feeling by knowing I'm on Signature status every *cupcake*ing time I look to see if my abilities are off cooldown.	
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Would anyone mind if I used their screenshots to mock up a revision?
 
This is just so i can "sketch up" stuff while I'm not at home. I don't personally like Forge UI and like the default(with some mods I've done myself) so be nice to just get a head start on it...
			
				
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To be honest, I kind of appreciate that useless button because I forgot if I was still receiving the Signature buffs and was too lazy to go into my account settings to figure it out!
 
It could probably just go into the Cash Shop UI, though. It makes more sense there.	
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Honestly, I'm always surprised at how so many on these forums don't get how business works.
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I've been playing with addons and the only addon I've found which covers it up a tiny bit (still see the edges but the word is covered) is a addon called Where Am I? . It's a small coordinate button and if you position it just right it covers the word up. To move the thing you need to type "/vwai move"  and then you can drag it down. Again not a full cover but I rather have a coord number there then this.
 
EDIT: omg so tired, I didn't read above correctly, ForgeUI is an addon which 100% gets rid of it too.
 
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I would like my button to say "Freebot"  At least it'd be entertaining. LOL 
 
(I don't actually see the flashy store or this new button. ForgeUI FTW!)
 
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It's quite a bit overkill. We're well aware that this game isn't a work of charity, nor a "labor of love". It's a business. We get it. However (as I noted in my post in the patch feedback) many of us already support this game in a value equal to or greater than a monthly sub. Why do they get labeled as "basic"? Also, SWTOR does the "hey, why aren't you a subscriber yet, nooblet?" in such an annoying manner as well. While I'm glad that WS doesn't quite go THAT far (e.g. loot lockouts because you're not a sub)  I fear that this is only the first step in that direction.
 
I said it there and I'll reiterate it here: Anyone who pays a value equal to or more than a monthly sub in a given month should trigger Signature status for 30 days. That's only fair. The current system is saying "Hey, we know you give us a ton of money, but unless you preauthorize a recurring charge, you're not as important as they are...."
			
				
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Honestly, I'm always surprised at how so many on these forums don't get how business works. Many of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, it's a VERY small ad that bearably takes up any room on the screen and there isn't even any text unless you mouse over it. But yes, let's get rid of this "eyesore" before we have a chance to see whether or not it makes money to help support this game, which is already on shaky ground, because "WAAAAAAA ADS WAAAAAAAA!"
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Honestly, I'm always surprised at how so many on these forums don't get how business works. Many of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, it's a VERY small ad that bearably takes up any room on the screen and there isn't even any text unless you mouse over it.
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Honestly, I'm always surprised at how so many on these forums don't get how business works.
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To be honest, I kind of appreciate that useless button because I forgot if I was still receiving the Signature buffs and was too lazy to go into my account settings to figure it out!
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Depends on how many who don't like it end up quitting.
 
And how many simply switch to ForgeUI and enjoy better performance :)
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Honestly, I'm always surprised at how so many on these forums don't get how business works. Many of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, it's a VERY small ad that bearably takes up any room on the screen and there isn't even any text unless you mouse over it. But yes, let's get rid of this "eyesore" before we have a chance to see whether or not it makes money to help support this game, which is already on shaky ground, because "WAAAAAAA ADS WAAAAAAAA!"
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Here's another way that business works: Customers aren't known for being rational when something pisses them off, and pissed off customers means less money.
 
And don't give me that mountain out of a molehill shit, this thing is subjective and one person's experience is just as valid as the next one's
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Okay so let's try not to turn this into a forum deathmatch. as much as I'd love to see that happen, because I feel like the image of a lemur scratching someone's face off is hilarious I like the more constructive bits here.
 
I'm just gonna bullet out my view on this thing:
This seems VERY late in the game to add to an already bulky UI. I it was intended to be added earlier it should've been done during the initial transition.
While I recognize many games have these overtly placed in their interface the notification in some cases goes away completely when a person has subscribed or bumped up to a tier of sorts. This is how most if not all standard businesses operate with "ads"
 
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Many of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, it's a VERY small ad that bearably takes up any room on the screen and there isn't even any text unless you mouse over it.
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But yes, let's get rid of this "eyesore" before we have a chance to see whether or not it makes money to help support this game, which is already on shaky ground, because "WAAAAAAA ADS WAAAAAAAA!"
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Every other app or game with adverts that I've used, the ads go away soon as you pay. 
 
In W* however, when you pay for signature, not only does the ad not go away, but it actually gets larger. This is no reward at all. It needs to go AWAY completely for signature upon payment.	
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			It doesn't fit the UI colour scheme and shouldn't be in the middle of your action set. Something like this belongs in the cash shop UI. Then again, there wouldn't be a need for an ad button like this to begin with if the signature subscription actually offered something beyond some meagre bonuses and wasn't a poor deal.	
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			UI is definitely not Carbine's strength. First with the glowing store icon and now this. I did want some sort of way to check your sub status easily (AFAIK the only way to do that previously was going to the signature tab in the store), but this just isn't it. Stop trying so hard. I get that you're running a business, but let the game speak for itself. People will sub/buy things if the game is solid. No need for these flashy, intrusive banners/buttons.	
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I dare to say, vast majority of players are aware if they are subbed or not.
 
So dear CRABINE, if you will keep coming iwth ideas like this, I am certain that mine will say Basic most of the time, while WoW will be able to add same button that will state Signed.	
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That said, it looks like someone already made an addon that can remove it from the UI.
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I do think it's a rather unnecessary addition to the UI. I don't mind there being some better indicator of current sub status, but it doesn't need to always be front and center.  It wouldn't even be that bad, if it wasn't so bright and big. It could be about half the size and half as bright, and it wouldn't be nearly as obtrusive.
 
If it does stick around, it should probably be in a blue color to match the UI.
 
That said, it looks like someone already made an addon that can remove it from the UI.
			
				
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I dare to say, vast majority of players are aware if they are subbed or not.
 
 
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			Wow, that's ugly. I'm signature, and I don't even want that. People are just going to use addons, etc to remove it.	
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well for those who havent visit reddit/w/  or missed it..
 
http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/238698-lui-hidesignature	
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And for anyone else, here's one I packed together today that goes a step further:
 
 1. hides store icon glow
 2. hides signature status
 3. realigns the xp bars to the center like they were
 
http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/238709-frostmod-adrevert
			
				
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well for those who havent visit reddit/w/  or missed it..
 
http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/238698-lui-hidesignature
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			Such a lovely community.	
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			I don't really notice it unless I specifically look at it so it doesn't bother me as much as it does others (so far), but I agree that it at least needs a better colour scheme so that it blends in with the game's atmosphere. That tab in the store already tells us whether we're signature or not and what some of the benefits are but if you want to put it somewhere else, maybe add an icon to the character window like Rift does for subs, or put it on the daily login window or the account inventory window.	
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well for those who havent visit reddit/w/  or missed it..
 
http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/238698-lui-hidesignature
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			Laserloui for president!	
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well for those who havent visit reddit/w/  or missed it..
 
http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/238698-lui-hidesignature
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			Yeah, that "Basic" tab isn't annoying at all. /sarcasm 	
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And for anyone else, here's one I packed together today that goes a step further:
 
 1. hides store icon glow
 2. hides signature status
 3. realigns the xp bars to the center like they were
 
http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/238709-frostmod-adrevert
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About the gamebreaking statement.
We all have different views and opinions.
I find it hard to ignore what for others might be a minor detail.
I happen to be very specific with what goes on in my UI.
Mind you that,although I keep most of the art and looks of the original UI,
my action bar and the relative artwork back ground,amongst other UI elements,
are scaled to be smaller.
So proportionatly,it's even more protruding than what you see in the screenshot
in Srfroggs post.
 
Not to mention that I find it mostly insulting to my intelligence,and
dumb.And downright artless and f'in ugly.
Again my opinion,but this is more stupid than the water bottle that
reminds you to drink water.
Can it make more money for the game?
I don't know.
Where do we drow the line?
It's not like I haven't spent any money on WS,although I don't have
a sub,but if we let marketing departments to take over our action bars,
then we might as well go play hello kitty online.
 
Atm moment I don't see any reason to get the sub.Why get the sub and not spend the 
money on coins for the shop?What do I care if I level faster,or make gold faster in a
game I will be playing for months,if not years?
Although,if subbing meant that the fagly banner would go away,I'd sub in a heart beat.
 
And as a ingame advertisement,if they really have to do that,they could add a
permanent buff icon on the subed players unit frame.It's bad,but not as lame as
the "reminder" banner.
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when you pay for signature, not only does the ad not go away, but it actually gets larger.
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So yes, there is an addon for that thanks to Laserlouii ^_^
 
I use ForgeUI so whatever DefaultUI crud doesn't affect me personally.
As a bonus, better performance!  ^_^
 
Also heard of that other one PotatoUI being good.  Worth a shot.
 
This seems to be another failed NcKorea dictate.  Please make sure we are complaining at the right people.
Carbine is not responsible for this, NcKorea is.  Yell at them if you want.
 
As for me personally?  I was going to sell some stuff for Plat and buy my first CREDD (and subsequent CREDD).
I'm no longer going to do that.  Let it sit and rot in an unsold purgatory.
I refuse to support this kind of blatant eyesore that is MORE annoying for people who pay monthly!  What in the flying cupcakes!?
 
I still don't know how it is ~11+ plat considering how little of a benefit Signature provides.
Let's NOT buff up Signature to make it worthwhile but instead upset and annoy your playerbase whether they are Subscribed or not!
 
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I think if revenue is a problem, then Crabine needs to contact the people who own Mtn Dew and Cheetos (Pepsi Co, for both, in case you didn't know) and work out a sponsorship deal.
 
Like, replace the ubiquitous Protostar "ads" in-game with actual products (Wildstar-ified of course).
 
That was one thing I used to really love about APB. Instead of making a bunch of Zesti-Colas and Fruity Oaty Bars fake crap, they used actual products and made enough money that they're still going today, even after it flopped in original release.
 
I dunno. I mean, I get they're struggling - but holy crap. This is just laughably obvious and completely transparent in every way.
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Responded here
So yes, there is an addon for that thanks to Laserlouii ^_^
 
I use ForgeUI so whatever DefaultUI crud doesn't affect me personally.
As a bonus, better performance!  ^_^
 
Also heard of that other one PotatoUI being good.  Worth a shot.
 
This seems to be another failed NcKorea dictate.  Please make sure we are complaining at the right people.
Carbine is not responsible for this, NcKorea is.  Yell at them if you want.
 
As for me personally?  I was going to sell some stuff for Plat and buy my first CREDD (and subsequent CREDD).
I'm no longer going to do that.  Let it sit and rot in an unsold purgatory.
 
I still don't know how it is ~11+ plat considering how little of a benefit Signature provides.
Let's NOT buff up Signature to make it worthwhile but instead upset and annoy your playerbase whether they are Subscribed or not!
 
Basic *cupcake* is basic.  I have sad cupcakes :(
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I agree with many, it's just plain rude.
 
I've made $109.99 in purchases since F2P launch. That's equivalent to 7.3 months of subscription time. I'm most certainly not a 'basic' player.
 
I won't Subscribe to this game since there's nearly nothing it would give me that I haven't already unlocked through Cosmic Rewards. If they want me to Subscribe then do a better job of offering me a reason to. You can see I have no problem spending $ on something I want. Adding a constant reminder to the UI isn't the way to do it.
 
Just another reason not to use their UI IMO. ForgeUI WTF http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/227047-forgeui	
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I agree with many, it's just plain rude.
 
I've made $109.99 in purchases since F2P launch. That's equivalent to 7.3 months of subscription time. I'm most certainly not a 'basic' player.
 
I won't Subscribe to this game since there's nearly nothing it would give me that I haven't already unlocked through Cosmic Rewards. If they want me to Subscribe then do a better job of offering me a reason to. You can see I have no problem spending $ on something I want. Adding a constant reminder to the UI isn't the way to do it.
 
Just another reason not to use their UI IMO. ForgeUI WTF http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/227047-forgeui
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I like their UI. I also like Forge UI, but the problem is that the resource bar looks really pretty and I feel its such a waste not to be ble to see it. 
 
Also a problem I have with Forge UI is that, it's kind of annoying having to move around the modules  if you play more than 2 characters, and the buff and debuffs are kind of messed up. They're short, small (except for your debuff bar), but whats important IMO is the targets debuffs. I want to know their buffs and stuff, and I think CRBs UI does a better job at that. 
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There should be an option to turn it off in the options.
Same goes for the subscriber buff.
Another poorly implemented idea, the idea itself is ok. forcing everyone who does not want to use addons to see it is NOT ok.	
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			I just disabled the XP bar addon... much better.	
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I got a great idea, stop complaining about the little shit like this and start complaining about more pressing issues!
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I guess I'm in the minority on this. I'm a signature player and use the default UI and didn't even notice this change till I spotted this thread in an uproar about it. Even now, after knowing that it is there, it still doesn't catch my eye/bother me, as my focus is more in the center of my screen, where my character is, than at the very bottom, below my LAS.
 
That said, I sympathize with those that feel it is an intrusive, distracting element and am glad that there are ways (via 3rd party addons, if nothing else) to hide/remove it, for those that find it unbearable.	
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I got a great idea, stop complaining about the little shit like this and start complaining about more pressing issues!
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			Okay after playing last night, I was quickly able to ignore the "Signature" button was even there. I still don't like it, but it's not as intrusive as i thought it would be.	
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			I must admit I just spotted basic icon once today and then I didn't think about it at all while playing :)	
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			Yeah I mean I'm not jumping on a huge campaign against it. They have to do what they have to do - but for me it was just one of those things that once I saw it it's ALL I could see. I'm actually kind of glad they did it the way they did so that we could use api methods to hide it if we really care.	
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If the default UI allowed for more customization I would still use it. Maybe not after finding this out. There are things I don't like about Forge as well. The selling point for me was the ability to move my action bar where I wanted. It seems to use less system resources as well. I prefer to move my action bar instead of using LUI for instance to show the recharge etc of my abilities. I use LUI for my resources and other buffs I want to track.
 
I noticed tonight that Froge doesn't list all of my Mounts. I have 12 but only 10 are listed. There may be a way to increase the amount shown but I haven't investigated it yet. 
 
There are pros and cons to each UI.
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Haha, do you have any idea how much this generation and the Millennials like to complain? Look at all the vitriol here over a few *cupcake*ing pixels on the UI LMAO! It's like they can't rub two brain cells together to understand that this could help Carbine make money and help keep the game afloat. No, let's *cupcake* about it instead because "it's ugly" or "it insults me" haha.
 
Oh and of course you were called a troll for making a common sense statement that goes against the majority. This place is quickly degenerating to WoW forum standards.
 
Give it a week or two, then the complainers will forget all about this and be off to complain about something else that doesn't matter.
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Re: The Forge UI mount list:
From what I can remember from when the feature was introduced the list should be scrollable with the mouse wheel and was done that way to prevent the list extending off the screen.
Can't test if it does behave that way myself because I only have like 5 mounts at most.	
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			As far as helping Carbine make more money, they get a ton of suggestions and advice from players on a regular basis which for some reason they still don't trust. There are several threads at least on how to get us to spend more and be happy about it too. It's not about the potential for profit when you willingly ignore people telling you what to do to earn a ton more form the existing playerbase. That's why I got upset tbh, it's like they want the game to fail.	
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Re: The Forge UI mount list:
From what I can remember from when the feature was introduced the list should be scrollable with the mouse wheel and was done that way to prevent the list extending off the screen.
Can't test if it does behave that way myself because I only have like 5 mounts at most.
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			I really like the little banner. It reminds me that I'm not a cheap *cupcake* like the rest of you.	
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I really like the little banner. It reminds me that I'm not a cheap *cupcake* like the rest of you.
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I can say with complete confidence that Carbine does want more money and is more than willing to do what it takes to make that money.
Carbine want to keep their jobs and Carbine does NOT want the game to fail.
 
But we're not dealing with JUST Carbine here.  The money-holders are primarily NcSoft.  Complete speculation on my part is that NcSoft DOES want this game to fail because 'screw westerners' or 'screw America' or 'it is too hard to make money there and easier to just spew out garbage to our loyal Korean customers instead'.
 
They've done this repeatedly with all their Korean-imported games (Aion, Lineage 1, and Lineage 2 in particular) despite vocal non-Korean player backlash against their decisions and policies.
 
But this game is made BY Westerners and primarily FOR a Western Audience.  I don't know why NcSoft doesn't just hand the money-reigns to Carbine and let them roll with it.
Oh wait, the WildStar initial launch.  Oops :P
 
I rag on NcSoft too much but I only do so because too many players blame Carbine when they should be pointing the blame at NcSoft instead.  Specifically NcKorea.
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The key to keeping the beancounters off your back is to do well enough that they have bigger problems to focus on. If you don't do that, the fault does not lie with the beancounters for pushing you to get your house in order.
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Uh... sorry, not buying this at all. 
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I really like the little banner. It reminds me that I'm not a cheap *cupcake* like the rest of you.
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Enter,evil mastermind Chua laughter.
Mouahhahahahahhhhahahahaahahahaha.
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 You'd think this is something a Chua merchant would have conceived. "You want to pay, I want to give you a different tag...."
 
Or a Protostar rep.
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Protostar seems more likely to me. Chuas would involve blowing things up with science at some point or other.
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In NcSoft's eyes, any game that isn't doing as well as X Korean game is considered a 'failure' that they try to explain away on their financial reports.
Check them out sometime, you'll see it for yourself.  Absolutely nothing to explain the utter failure of Lineage 2, but all kinds of ways to justify the poor performance of western-minded titles.
 
Then of course we have all that spending on the 'NC Dinos' (Korean baseball team in Korea) being marked as an 'expense' on a gaming company's financial records.  Absolutely nothing about that.
			
				
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Publisher pressure is always a constant struggle, and I'd imagine even more so when the game is in perpetual development like a MMO. No developer would willingly do this, they know perfectly well just how much it is hated.
 
My take on this is that this ad is a direct result of CRB loosing leverage in discussions with NCSoft. Either F2P hasn't met the numbers CRB said it would, or CRB could have already been in a bad enough spot that the missed goal was set completely by NCSoft. There is a chance that CRB did do this without direct prompting by NCSoft, but it would still have been done in anticipation of a mandate from NCSoft.
 
 
 
Hopefully CRB has enough fight left in them to gather up the negative feedback and present the numbers to NCSoft and fight to revert this change. Again, 99% of the development staff (and all the non-devs worth their salt) at CRB know full well this is a terrible idea.
 
As such, the silver lining is that this issue is a perfect canary for this coal mine. If this considerably egregious ad is not removed, it tells us just how passive and powerless the actual devs at CRB have become.	
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There's really no such thing as "well enough" in capitalism, unfortunately. There are always more ways to monetize...
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You realize that Lineage 2 is Wildstar's closest competition for last place in NCSoft's portfolio and they brought in almost 10 times as much revenue as Wildstar did last quarter, right? When this game shows that they can get their revenues up to anywhere near the rest of the pack and keep it there, then there will be a reason to discuss whether the game is doing well enough. 
 
But until it is, there's nothing to discuss. 
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Hey all,
 
Just to chime in a bit here. First of all, we want you to know that we take your feedback very seriously. We've been working on collecting the sentiment on this new UI change and sending up the pipeline so that our decision makers are aware of your feelings on this change. We do this for lots of things. In fact, that's why we added a new multi-claim variation of our recent store pets and mount, We heard your feedback and made the change based on it. So please keep your feedback coming and we'll see what the team wants to do with it.
 
Thank you,
 
-Team WildStar	
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Re: The Forge UI mount list:
From what I can remember from when the feature was introduced the list should be scrollable with the mouse wheel and was done that way to prevent the list extending off the screen.
Can't test if it does behave that way myself because I only have like 5 mounts at most.
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For people bothered this: I made a tiny addon that gets rid of the orange signature status thing.
 
I named it "SignatureBGone" and can be found on Curse at http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/238760-signaturebgone	
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WTB "Basic" Title!
 
We're here, we're Basic, get used to it...	
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I think placing the basic/signature banner in the middle of the UI was a bad decision. It gets even bigger when you switch from basic to signature.
 
They should reward signature players by giving them a mount or something cosmetic that is only usable while on the signature plan... similar to how they reward players with 2-step verification.	
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Video game Development isn't free. They need some form of advertisement in the game, deal with whatever they do if you want the Wildstar servers to stay up.
 
 
Your petty gripes about seeing "basic" on your screen are not worth anything, but the amount of revenue Carbine might get from this kind of advertisement IS. I'm sure they can come up with a less annoying method, but there needs to be SOMETHING, you people need to understand this.
 
 
Alternative solution: Upgrade to Signature. It's pretty and golden and cool looking on my screen.
			
				
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Video game Development isn't free. They need some form of advertisement in the game, deal with whatever they do if you want the Wildstar servers to stay up.
 
 
Your petty gripes about seeing "basic" on your screen are not worth anything, but the amount of revenue Carbine might get from this kind of advertisement IS. I'm sure they can come up with a less annoying method, but there needs to be SOMETHING, you people need to understand this.
 
 
Alternative solution: Upgrade to Signature. It's pretty and golden and cool looking on my screen.
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It's pretty and golden and cool looking on my screen.
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For people bothered this: I made a tiny addon that gets rid of the orange signature status thing.
 
I named it "SignatureBGone" and can be found on Curse at http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/238760-signaturebgone
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Just let us buy the stuff we want to buy, no need for such tactics.
 
I've been subbing just because I know you need more subs, but I spent a good chunk on the store as well. And will spend even more once you make additional purchases account wide and introduce more stuff that already exists but isn't available for purchase.
 
You need people to spend money to keep the game alive, no one is arguing that. The community are giving you some good advice on how to make more, and this thing is not it.	
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Lineage 2 has been free to play for years, significantly longer than WildStar
Lineage 2 is a sequel to the most popular and profitable game in NcSoft's entire gaming portfolio.
Lineage 2 has a blatantly pay-to-win cash shop similar to Lineage 1.  That's how the Koreans like their games apparently.
Lineage 2 has been released and making (some) income significantly longer than WildStar.
The 'last quarter' info is ~90 days out of date (July, August, and September of 2015) and doesn't reflect the icome WildStar has made since going Free to Play.
 
Apples and Oranges, but sure; let's just ignore all that for your argument to make sense, right? :P
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For people bothered this: I made a tiny addon that gets rid of the orange signature status thing.
 
I named it "SignatureBGone" and can be found on Curse at http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/238760-signaturebgone
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			Cupcake, what is with you and jumping down everyone's throats from your ridiculously high horse?	
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I'm gonna step on your parade.
On page 5, I linked to a previous post referencing this addon that was made before yours on December 9th by Laserlouii.  I even posted about it in this very thread.
Yet you ignored that and try to 'solve' a problem that already did so?  Yeah...no thanks.  You 'solved' the problem yet copied & pasted the first part almost verbatim (except to change the addon name) and have an extra blank line where none is needed.
 
The better addon to use is LUI_HideSignature
It is by Laserlouii, the same awesome person behind LUI_Aura
I would trust their programming capability far more than some random person that saw an opportunity to jump in and claim undeserved kudos for duplicating a function already done by another addon (and doing it worse).
The LUI_HideSignature method is dynamic and well-written.
Your code is sloppy and uses some hard-coded variables which is a terrible programming design.
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I really like the little banner. It reminds me that I'm not a cheap *cupcake* like the rest of you.
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I just had another insane brilliant idea while reflecting on how well this "feature" was received:
Modify the game so people who subscribe see the characters of me and everyone else who doesn't subscribe (but may or may not choose to spend money on the shop anyhow) as freebots!
I'm sure that along with the other non-incentives signature service provides will make them feel even better about themselves
 
Brilliant, right?
I wouldn't mind being a proud freebot
 
This post was brought to you by a significant lack of caffeine	
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Video game Development isn't free. They need some form of advertisement in the game, deal with whatever they do if you want the Wildstar servers to stay up.
 
 
Your petty gripes about seeing "basic" on your screen are not worth anything, but the amount of revenue Carbine might get from this kind of advertisement IS. I'm sure they can come up with a less annoying method, but there needs to be SOMETHING, you people need to understand this.
 
 
Alternative solution: Upgrade to Signature. It's pretty and golden and cool looking on my screen.
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I'm gonna step on your parade.
On page 5, I linked to a previous post referencing this addon that was made before yours on December 9th by Laserlouii.  I even posted about it in this very thread.
Yet you ignored that and try to 'solve' a problem that already did so?  Yeah...no thanks.  You 'solved' the problem yet copied & pasted the first part almost verbatim (except to change the addon name) and have an extra blank line where none is needed.
 
The better addon to use is LUI_HideSignature
It is by Laserlouii, the same awesome person behind LUI_Aura
I would trust their programming capability far more than some random person that saw an opportunity to jump in and claim undeserved kudos for duplicating a function already done by another addon (and doing it worse).
The LUI_HideSignature method is dynamic and well-written.
Your code is sloppy and uses some hard-coded variables which is a terrible programming design.
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I wouldn't pay him any mind. FantasticCupcake's post are all passive-aggressive, bordering rude.
Just check his post history.	
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			Amazing there is time to add useless distracting fluff like this while parts of the UI such as Nameplate Affiliation are STILL broken ....	
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			how is this such a big deal to people??? giant yellow bar??????? so distracting?!?!?!are you all lopps? OOOO​   SHINEEYYY!!really, the argument has 0 weight... the madam fey cash grab rng korea box has a big bright yellow circle that takes up plenty of space on the bar, and that's somehow not distracting but add a bar that simply lets people know when their credd has expired(when I'm sure plenty of people have asked for an ingame way to see this easily)... I pay for subs, mine should "stick out" way more, and either way it doesn't bother me... and it really doesn't matter much because I usually just set up a subscription and it runs for months AFTER I quit games, so it's not doing me a single favor, but I would venture to say it's useful for some... but dang... up and arms so easily this crowd is... PULL OUT THE PITCHFORKS, A TINY PORTION OF MY SCREEN IS A COLOR I DONT LIKE. like REALLY... I hate that the teleport to house icon is all blue, blends end with the UI too much WEH AHMAGUHHH PLS CARBINE I QUIT AND SUE YOU FOR RUINING MY GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE​	
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			Not sure what your post contributed, Adminatron. You could have easily just said, "The banner doesn't bother me personally," without all of the rage.	
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Not sure what your post contributed, Adminatron. You could have easily just said, "The banner doesn't bother me personally," without all of the rage.
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I wouldn't pay him any mind. FantasticCupcake's post are all passive-aggressive, bordering rude.
Just check his post history.
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			I wish ignore also ignored them being quoted too.	
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			Be nice if the combat log worked...just sayin...	
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Yeah I mean I'm not jumping on a huge campaign against it. They have to do what they have to do - but for me it was just one of those things that once I saw it it's ALL I could see. I'm actually kind of glad they did it the way they did so that we could use api methods to hide it if we really care.
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Carbine should probably tackle the bigger issue that their subscription benefits are naff.  In my honest opinion, make it 'worth' the sub cost will sell more subs than a little yellow button.  Those of us subbed are doing it out of some mysterious sense of loyalty, and currently we get bugger all out of it.  It not even like if you maintain signature status you get special mounts specifically for signature (like the Ikatian crawler).
Queue Priority? Well it didn't work when there were Q's and now the majority of the zomg F2P'ers have left to their next crux, there won't be any Q's.
 
Bonus XP?  Inconsequential with the current base rate of levelling, especially when you get omnibits to soak into flasks while levelling. 
 
The only thing it's decent for are the AH limits and Character slots and those are niche benefits that appeal to a smaller subset of players.  It's been months and we've had no response on whether or not the mount and signature status benefits are being investigated/expanded.  The only thing we do know based on recent * notes at the bottom of store updates is that they currently intend for mounts and other expensive vanity items to be one use. 	
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			I think you should charge them $100 to remove the banner in the cash shop Carbine.	
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