Conlang Conversations

== Esperanto, Ido and Interlingua ==
Jen (Here is) a conversation about Esperanto and Ido having troble komuniki unu la alian (trouble communicating with each other):
Esperantisto: Saluton! Ĉu vi parolas Esperanton? (Hello! Do you speak Esperanto?)
Idisto: Ne, mi parolas nur la lingvon Ido. Qua vi ne komprenas min? (No, I only speak the Ido language. Why don't you understand me?)
Esperantisto: Pardonu, mi ne scias Idon. Ĝi ŝajnas simila al Esperanto, sed mi ne povas kompreni vin. (Excuse me, I don't know Ido. It seems similar to Esperanto, but I can't understand you.)
Idisto: Ido esas plu logika ed funda kam Esperanto. Gi havas regularaji qui mankas en Esperanto. (Ido is more logical and thorough than Esperanto. It has rules that are lacking in Esperanto.)
Esperantisto: Mi preferas la naturalecon de Esperanto. Ĝi ne sekvas ĉiujn regulojn, sed ĝi estas facila por lerni. (I prefer the naturalness of Esperanto. It doesn't follow all the rules, but it's easy to learn.)
Idisto: Ne esas vera! Ido esas plu facila komprenenda pro sua logiko. (That's not true! Ido is easier to understand because of its logic.)
Esperantisto: Nu, eble ni povas interkompreni per gesto-parolado... (Well, maybe we can understand each other through sign language...)
Espernastisto: Atendu! Mi provis lerni iom da Ido por ke ni povu interkompreni. (Wait! I tried to learn some Ido so we can understand each other.)
Idisto: Bone! Finalemente ni povas konversar en la klara e racia linguo Ido. (Good! Finally we can converse in the clear and rational Ido language.)
Esperantisto: Jes, mia Ido ne estas perfekta, sed mi komprenas la ĉefajn regulojn. La akuzativo per "-n", la pluralo per "-i"... (Yes, my Ido is not perfect, but I understand the main rules. The accusative with "-n", the plural with "-i"...)
Idisto: Videz ke vi havas bonan komenco. Sed nu diru ad me, kial vi preferas Esperanton? (It seems you have a good start. But now tell me, why do you prefer Esperanto?)
Esperantisto: Multe homoj ja uzas ĝin tutmonde. Ĝi havas belan kulturon kaj literaturon. (Many people already use it worldwide. It has a beautiful culture and literature.)
Idisto: Ido ankore ne esas vaste uzata, esos vera. Tamen, ol esas plu simpla, logika e perfekta kam Esperanto. (Ido is not yet widely used, that's true. However, it is simpler, more logical and more perfect than Esperanto.)
Esperantisto: Eble... sed por internacia lingvo, ĉu perfekteco gravas pli ol vivanteco? (Maybe... but for an international language, does perfection matter more than being vibrant?)
Idisto: Un tre bona demando! Ni povas debatar che ol dum horui! (A very good question! We could debate about it for hours!)
Esperantisto: Mi ne certas, ke perfekteco eble estas la plej grava afero por lingvo. Imagu, se Esperanto estus tro perfekta kaj rigida - ĝi eble ne ricevus tiun ĉarman etnan flekseblecon kaj humuron kiun ĝi nun havas. (I'm not sure that perfection may be the most important thing for a language. Imagine if Esperanto was too perfect and rigid - it may not have gained that charming ethnic flexibility and sense of humor that it now has.)
Idisto: Sed Esperanto havas tro da nereghulajoj! Ido korektis tiun difekton per sia logika gramatiko. (But Esperanto has too many irregularities! Ido corrected that defect with its logical grammar.)
Esperantisto: Tiu estas bona argumento. Sed homoj ne parolas nur per gramatiko, ĉu ne? Lingvoj ankaŭ havas sian propran kulturan signifon. (That's a good argument. But people don't just speak with grammar, do they? Languages also have their own cultural significance.)
Idisto: Vu esas justa. La kulturo esas grava. Tamen, nia celo esas krei internacian lingvon facile komprenata da omni. Ne esas necesa havar kompleksa kulturo cirkum ol. (You're right. Culture is important. However, our goal is to create an international language easily understood by all. It's not necessary to have a complex culture around it.)
Esperantisto: Eble...sed homoj ne nur volas komprenilo. Ili volas ankaŭ aparteni al vivanta kulturo. (Maybe...but people don't just want a tool for understanding. They also want to belong to a living culture.)
Idisto: Ma ankore, ne olvidu, ke simpla interlinguistika komprenado esas la chefa celo di ambe Esperanto e Ido. (But again, don't forget that simple interlinguistic understanding is the main goal of both Esperanto and Ido.)
Esperantisto: Vi pravas pri tio, ke facileco kaj kompreneblo estu la ĉefaj celoj. Sed Esperanto jam havas vastan kulturon kun milionoj da parolantoj tutmonde. Tio igas ĝin pli ol nur ilo, sed vivanta lingvo. (You're right about that, that ease and understandability should be the main goals. But Esperanto already has a vast culture with millions of speakers worldwide. That makes it more than just a tool, but a living language.)
Idisto: Esos vera ke Esperanto havas plu da parolanti nun. Sed rio ne impediez Ido de akirati propra kulturo che la tempino, se olti plu clari ed apturi esos akceptata kam la internaciona auxiliara linguo. (It's true that Esperanto has more speakers now. But nothing prevents Ido from acquiring its own culture in time, if its clarity and suitability are accepted as the international auxiliary language.)
Esperantisto: Eble...sed kulturo ne simple okazas. Ĝi kreskas el profundaj radikoj en la historio kaj spirito de lingvo. Ĉu Ido vere havas tiun kvalitecon? (Maybe...but culture doesn't just happen. It grows out of deep roots in the history and spirit of a language. Does Ido really have that quality?)
Idisto: Ol havas logiko ed ordino, qui esas la radikoj di omna bona kulturo! (It has logic and order, which are the roots of any good culture!)
Esperantisto: Ho, mi dubas pri tio! Kulturo ankaŭ bezonu spontanecon, humuron, emocian riĉecon kiun Ido eble mankus. (Oh, I doubt that! Culture also needs spontaneity, humor, emotional richness which Ido may lack.)
Idisto: Nune vu esas tro subjektiva! Logiko ed ordino faciligez la kulturan kreosado! (Now you're being too subjective! Logic and order facilitate cultural creation!)
Esperantisto: Mi ne kontraŭdiras la valoron de logiko kaj ordo. Sed kulturo ankaŭ bezonu animon, ĝi ne povas esti nur seka skemado. Esperanto havas tion ĉar ĝi naskiĝis el la revoj kaj idealisma spirito de sia kreinto. (I don't dispute the value of logic and order. But culture also needs soul, it can't just be dry schematics. Esperanto has that because it was born from the dreams and idealistic spirit of its creator.)
Idisto: Ido ankau havis sua kreadanto kun ideali – la fervora reformisto Markiz de Beaufront. Lu havis altan vizion pri racionala, logika linguo. Ne subvalorigu lian klopodadon! (Ido also had its creator with ideals - the fervent reformist Marquis de Beaufront. He had a lofty vision of a rational, logical language. Don't undervalue his endeavor!)
Esperantisto: Mi ne subvalorigas lin. Sed ĉu lia vizio estis sufiĉe vasta kaj ampleksa por doni al Ido veran kulturan animon? Ĉu ĝi nur estos algoritmo aŭ ĝi inspiris profundan humanismon ankaŭ? (I'm not undervaluing him. But was his vision broad and comprehensive enough to give Ido a true cultural soul? Will it just be an algorithm or did it inspire profound humanism too?)
Idisto: Markiz de Beaufront vere havis human-aman vizion - li volis kroniti logikon ed arte por doni al la mondolinguon simplicaji, saniteji ed utenseji. Ne moku lian laboro! (The Marquis de Beaufront truly had a human-loving vision - he wanted to crown logic and design to give the world language simplicity, sanity and usefulness. Don't mock his work!)
Esperantisto: Ne, mi ne mokas. Mi simple opinias, ke por vere sukcesi kiel vivanta lingvo, kulturo gravas tiel same kiel racionala konstru... (No, I'm not mocking. I simply think that to truly succeed as a living language, culture matters as much as rational construction...)
Idisto: Ehez, ehez! Ta kontinuez debatante pri quo sem finiso! Ni ambe volas samma celo, ma bezonerez vider quo ol plu bona tagez. (Alright, alright! We could keep debating this endlessly! We both want the same goal, but will need to see which one works out better in time.)
Esperantisto: Vi pravas, ni ambaŭ celas la samon - universalan komprenon inter homoj. Eble la estonteco montros, kiu el niaj lingvoj plej bone atingos tiun celon. Ĝis tiam, ni povu respekti kaj lerni unu de la alia. (You're right, we both aim for the same thing - universal understanding between people. Perhaps the future will show which of our languages best achieves that goal. Until then, we can respect and learn from each other.)
Idisto: Che to vu esas tute justa. Ni amikez sembati per nia komuna idealo, neprezante omna detali di niarespektiva lingui. La tempo decidez qua izos la plushora auxiliara linguo. (You're absolutely right about that. We should befriend each other through our shared ideal, without obsessing over every detail of our respective languages. Time will decide which will become the superior auxiliary language.)
Esperantisto: Jes, ni estu amikoj kaj kunlaborantoj, ne rivaloj! Ni povas lerni unu de la alia, ĉar ambaŭ havas ian valoron por proponi. (Yes, let's be friends and collaborators, not rivals! We can learn from each other, as both have some value to offer.)
Idisto: Un tre sagha perspektivo. Per mutala kompreno e respekto, omni lingui povas kontribui ol kribita por faciligi la mondala interkomunikado. (A very wise perspective. Through mutual understanding and respect, all languages can contribute what is needed to facilitate global intercommunication.)
Esperantisto: Ĝuste! Kaj kiu scias, eble en la estonteco iu tute nova planlingvo aperos bazita sur la plej bonaj aspectoj de Esperanto, Ido kaj aliaj? (Exactly! And who knows, maybe in the future some totally new planned language will emerge based on the best aspects of Esperanto, Ido and others?)
Idisto: To esus tre interesanta videz! Per kunlaboro e malferma menso, ni povos alfronti la sfidi di konstruar efektiva universala linguo. (That would be very interesting to see! Through collaboration and an open mind, we can tackle the challenges of constructing an effective universal language.)
Esperantisto: Ĝis tia tempo alvenos, ni plu disvastigu nian proprajn lingvojn kaj kulturojn. Se ni montros ilian valoron, eble unu el ili fariĝos la baza fundamento por tiu estonta universala lingvo. (Until such a time comes, let's continue spreading our own languages and cultures. If we demonstrate their value, perhaps one of them will become the basic foundation for that future universal language.)
Idisto: Vu havas bonan puanto. Ni ne cesi promovi niarespektiva lingui, ma ankau gardi nian mensi malfermita por novi ideali. La provuro esas trovir la maxim perfektiva solvo. (You have a good point. We shouldn't stop promoting our respective languages, but also keep our minds open to new ideas. The endeavor is to find the most perfective solution.)
Esperantisto: Precize! Eĉ se ni ne tuj solvos la problemon, niaj klopodoj ne estos van-aj. Ĉiu prove por facila interkompreno estas grava por la estonta paco kaj amikeco inter la nacioj. (Precisely! Even if we don't immediately solve the problem, our efforts won't be in vain. Every attempt at easy understanding is important for future peace and friendship between nations.)
Idisto: Tale vezas! Per nia amikala konkurado e mutala respekto, ni cimentigez la mundon por la granda celo di interlinguistaji. Kavan ne esez membri di la sama familia, strivi por la sama idealo. (Well said! Through our friendly competition and mutual respect, we pave the way for the great goal of interlinguistics. Even if not members of the same family, we strive for the same ideal.)
Esperantisto: Vi pravis - unu tago, homo vidos ke ĉi tiu rivalo ne plu gravis. Nur la fina celo estos grava - universala kompreniĝo. Ĝis tiam, ni daŭrigu laborante amikemaniere! (You were right - one day, people will see that this rivalry no longer matters. Only the ultimate goal will be important - universal comprehension. Until then, let's continue working in a friendly manner!)
Idisto: Un tre nobla ed idealista vidpunkto! Ni salutez nia reciprokala respekto, e montroz al la mondo la valoron di pacema kunlaboro. Jovem avanti! (A very noble and idealistic viewpoint! Let us salute our mutual respect, and show the world the value of peaceful collaboration. Onward!)
Esperantisto: Ni ambaŭ pravis, ke nek Esperanto nek Ido sola provizos la definitivan solvon al lingva diverseco. Eble iu tria planlingvo estos la respondo?
Idisto: Vu pensas pri Interlingua, la nov-latina linguo kreita en la 1950aji?
Interlinguisto: elpaŝas Pardonu, ke mi aŭskultas vian konversacion. Mi ne povis ne rimarki, ke vi diskutas la eternan problemon de universala lingvo.
Esperantisto: Ni bonvenigus vian vidpunkton, amiko. Ĉu Interlingua ja estas la solvo kiun ni serĉas?
Interlinguisto: Ben, Interlingua havet cualitates de representar un compromissio inter le principios de vocabulo international e grammatica rational. (Well, Interlingua has qualities representing a compromise between the principles of international vocabulary and rational grammar.)
Idisto: Ma quale esas sua origine ed ideologio? (But what is its origin and ideology?)
Interlinguisto: Interlingua esseva designate per un gruppo de scientistas positivos, qui voleva crear un linguo auxiliar modern e practical con un vocabulo pan-romanic. (Interlingua was designed by a group of modern scientists who wanted to create an auxiliary language that was practical with a Pan-Romance vocabulary.)
Esperantisto: Ĝi do sidas sur la ŝultroj de la granda latinida tradicio? Tio ja estus profitinda bazo.
Interlinguisto: Ric est ver. Le romanitate de su vocabulo le rende comprendibile pro un grande parte del mundo. E su grammatica simplificate elimina multescomplicationes. (That's quite true. The Romance nature of its vocabulary makes it comprehensible for a large part of the world. And its simplified grammar eliminates many complexities.)
Idisto: To semblas logik ed eficaz. Ma quo pri sua kulturala dimensiono? Ido e Esperanto anku havas propra vivanta litoratura. (That seems logical and efficient. But what about its cultural dimension? Ido and Esperanto also have their own living literature.)
Interlingisto: In iste momento, Interlingua es relativemente nov e su litteratura es restringite. Tamen, nos es tractante de crear un corpore de obras e traducer del altere linguas. (At this moment, Interlingua is relatively new and its literature is limited. However, we are working to create a body of works and translate from other languages.)
Esperantisto: Pardonu, mi ne komprenas tre bone vian lingvon. Ĉu vi povus iomete klarigi kion vi diris? (Excuse me, I don't understand your language very well. Could you clarify a bit what you said?)
Idisto: Me ankau havas problemo komprenanta lua shudi rechi. (I also have trouble understanding your strange speech.)
Interlinguisto: Ah, je vide que hay un poco de malcomprension hic. Permitte que io explica un poco plus simplicemente... (Ah, I see there is a bit of misunderstanding here. Allow me to explain a bit more simply...)
Esperantisto: Nu, provu paroli pli simpla kaj malrapida Interlingua. Mi provu kompreni. (Well, try speaking simpler and slower Interlingua. I'll try to understand.)
Idisto: Vu, speak plu klara! Me audavez nur kompleksa paroli di vu qui nava senso por me. (You, speak more clearly! I was only hearing complex speech from you that made no sense to me.)
Interlinguisto: Bon, bon. Io va ... parlar ... multe ... lente ... e ... simple. (Good, good. I will... speak... very... slowly... and... simply.)
Esperantisto: Jes, tiel mi povas iomete kompreni vin. Kaj vi klarigas ke Interlingua ankoraŭ mankas riĉan kulturon kaj literaturon, ĉu? (Yes, like that I can somewhat understand you. And you're explaining that Interlingua still lacks a rich culture and literature, right?)
Idisto: Ahora me klaru! Vi dice que Interlingua es qua juva ed ankore ne havas granda libral storia. (Now it's clear to me! You're saying Interlingua is still young and doesn't yet have a large literary history.)
Interlinguisto: Exactissimo! Vos ha comprendite bon le situation presente de Interlingua. (Exactly! You have understood the present situation of Interlingua well.)
== English, Anglish and Inglic ==
Anglish is a modern revivalist variety of English that deliberately avoids borrowings from other languages, especially Latin, Greek, and French, and aims to use only words of Germanic origin. If there were communities of native Anglish speakers, their ability to communicate with speakers of standard English would depend on a few key factors:
# Mutual intelligibility: Since Anglish vocabulary is based on common Germanic roots shared with English, there would likely be a fair degree of mutual intelligibility between the two varieties, especially for basic communication. Many core English words are already of Germanic origin.
# Lexical differences: However, Anglish eschews a large portion of the Latinate and Greek vocabulary that makes up a significant part of the English lexicon, especially for more complex, technical, or abstract concepts. This missing shared vocabulary could hamper communication on certain topics.
# Structural differences: Anglish adheres more closely to Germanic grammar patterns compared to modern English. Significant structural divergences from English grammar could further reduce mutual comprehension.
# Exposure and learning: With exposure and some dedicated learning effort on both sides, the degree of intelligibility would increase over time as speakers became more accustomed to each other's vocabulary and structures.
Overall, for basic conversational contexts drawing on commonly used words, Anglish and English speakers would likely understand each other reasonably well from the outset, despite lexical gaps. But as the domain of conversation became more complex or technical, communication difficulties would arise from their divergent linguistic inventories unless both parties made efforts to bridge that gap through learning.
Please explain how an Anglish and English speaker might not understand each other thank you.
Sure, here are some examples of how miscommunication could occur between an Anglish speaker and an English speaker:
Vocabulary Gaps Many common English words have been replaced by Germanic equivalents in Anglish that an English speaker may not recognize: English: I have a philosophy about life. Anglish: Ik have a thoughtred about life. (Anglish thoughtred instead of philosophy)
Anglish lacks some borrowed words for modern concepts that English relies on: English: Let's take a selfie with my smartphone. Anglish: Struggles to express these concepts
Phrasal Differences Anglish favors Germanic phrases over Latinate ones used in English: English: They showed their appreciation. Anglish: They showed their thankmind.
Semantic Shifts Words that look similar may have diverged in meaning: English: I comprehended the lecture. Anglish: I grasped the leering. (Leering has shifted from "teaching")
Structural Differences Anglish has revivedmore grammatical features from Old English: English: The books have been sold. Anglish: The books beeth/aren/wurden sold. (Unclear verb forming)
So while there is some inherent intelligibility due to their shared Germanic core, the cumulative effect of vocabulary gaps, semantic drifts, andgrammatic differences could certainly lead to communicative breakdowns without concerted efforts to bridge the gaps between Anglish and modern English.
Here is a sample dialogue illustrating some potential communication difficulties between an Anglish speaker and an English speaker:
English Speaker: Hey, did you catch the news about the epidemic spreading across the continent?
Anglish Speaker: Aye, though I'm unsure of thy meaning by "epidemic." Is it some kind of sickness going about?
English: Yes, it's a virulent disease outbreak affecting multiple countries. The authorities are quite concerned about its potential to cause a pandemic.
Anglish: I see...a widespread killcough then? But "pandemic," that word baffleth me.
English: It means a disease spreading across a wide geographic area impacting many populations worldwide.
Anglish: Ah, so a sickness-tide overtaking manyfolks and lands? Your speech bewildereth at times with all these outland rootwords.
English: I'm using the medical and scientific terminology that expresses these concepts most precisely.
Anglish: Well, I'll need thee to witterly overtread thy thoughtredsfor me if thou wantst me to underseat fully.
English: Huh? I'm afraid I don't quite follow your meaning there. Perhaps we could find a midroadbetween our language varieties?
Anglish: Indeed, elsewise this doitteredtalk shall keep ustwobaffled!
Both start looking increasingly confused as the conversation continues down this path of linguistic divergence between Anglish and modern English. They realize some common ground for communicating complex topics is necessary.
Yes, I'm familiar with Inglic (also called Inglisc or Engilsc). It is another constructed variety of English that, like Anglish, aims to remove loanwords from other languages in favor of reviving ancient Germanic words.
Some key points about Inglic:
* It was developed in the early 20th century by the انگلیسک زبان ھیئت (Inglisc Sprach Gesellschaft or Inglic Language Society) based in Germany.
* Its core vocabulary comes from Old English, Old Saxon, Old Frisian, Old Norse and other ancient Germanic languages.
* It removes not only Latinate words from English, but also words borrowed from Greek, French, and other non-Germanic sources.
* Grammar and pronunciation more closely follow the patterns of Old English compared to modern English.
* Names for months, days of the week, and many place names are revised to Germanic roots.
So while Anglish and Inglic share the goal of "de-latinizing" English, Inglic takes an even more strict and comprehensive approach, aiming to purge the language entirely of all non-Germanic influences down to its core.
Inglic never gained widespread adoption, but it represents one of the most radical endeavors to construct a thoroughly Germanic variety of English through revivalism of ancient roots. Its existence highlights the recurrent impulse among some to strip English down to its putative Germanic essence.
Here's a trilogue illustrating the potential communication barriers between speakers of English, Anglish, and Inglic:
English Speaker: I've been studying philosophy and linguistics at the university.
Anglish Speaker: You mean thoughtredcraftand tungrecraft at the loreburgh?
Inglic Speaker: Einigu? What erthu calling "tungrecraft"? That ungewordeth me.
English: Linguistics - the study of language and its structures.
Anglish: Ah yes, the lore of tungs and their inworks.
Inglic: Tungs? Oh, thu meanest the specan! Well weg need a wordfor that.
Anglish: Did he just say "weg"? What an outlandish wordmaking!
English: Guys, let's not get bogged down in pedantics. I want to discuss my thesis on the etymological influence of Greek on the English lexicon.
Inglish: Theytymologickcswhatfluence? I'm vredigu I don't gather thy meaning there,. friend
Anglish: He wishes to talk of wordrootshapings, and how outland tungs like Greek left their markings on our ownlanguage.
English: Precisely. For instance, the Greek root "phon" significantly shaped English words like "phonetics" and "phonology."
Anglish: You mean "soundmaking" and "soundlore"?
Inglic: Those erthu just newewordedest right now! Hweer camthu bythosefram?
Anglish: Well, ifter wemote newmint words to umnithemself from ungederived rootwords.
English: See, this is why I chose this thesis topic - to analyze English's hybrid Germanic/Latinategeneaology.
Inglic: Stop! Enougwith thycwiddor! Canyem all geongand anginglisc this?
The three get increasingly frustrated and the conversation bogs down as their linguistic differences make communicating nuanced concepts incredibly difficult without extensive restatement and clarification.
Here's a continuation of the trilogue:
Anglish: (Sighing) This is getting us nowhither fast. Perhapswe could all make aninningto shakehandwith each other's tungs a little?
English: You mean make an effort to meethalfway and find some common linguistic ground?
Anglish: Aye, that's it. Elsthis talk will keep spunningaround likea windeggedwheel.
Inglic: Well yedoneugu, thatwordmakingis needtogud. Butmaybewecantun a littleyenlic?
English: You want us to try speaking in a blended dialect combining all three varieties?
Inglic: Jaand mix someinglisc in there too. Maybethenwecan allmakeout whatthe othersays.
Anglish: Worth a fanding. Let me umnithink on it...
English: Okay, let me giveit a try, incorporating some Anglish and Inglic roots where I can...
English: Sowe allhave an understandingof the wordrootshapingsand loanwordsthathaveinflugeddand umwroughtourmodernEnglishsprache from the oldsprachen?
Anglish: Ahsee, withsomeyn-mingledwordgethingI cangatherthy drift now!
Inglic: Jaand thatmakesmore senseningthanjust thetunwriting bymyselfalone.
English: Yetthis wordcrafitwrightingisn'tso simpl. We'll needtomakecontinualededications.
Anglish: Butatleastthismidroad ycrafted betwixtourthreewordburgsmaylet us allholdcourse.
Inglic: Mayhapwe'retoctungupona newspecanwtherlyframenowon!
The three continue conversing, slowly converging on a hybrid form that allows them to understand each other better by combining vocabulary and structural elements from English, Anglish and Inglic. While still requiring some effort, this "diagonal" approach bridges the gaps.
Here's a continuation of the trilingual conversation:
English: So now that we've establishedthis midroad form for communicating, let me get back to my thesis topic on Greek influences in English.
Anglish: Aye, go on about thy studywork on the shapeloans our tung took from the Greekish folk.
Inglic: Jaand how thatumframedytong in itsungingand wordhoarding.
English: Well, as I was saying, many core English words like "phonetics" have clear Greek rootings like "phon" meaning sound.
Anglish: Ah, so "sound-knowings" then? That helpsme more easyly ingatherwhat thou means't.
Inglic: Andbyfar theheaviestgreec loanwasthe alphayetwriting!
English: An excellent point - our very abcwriting system derives from the Greek alphabet.
Anglish: Whichmaketh sensefor a folk who setgreatby onbook-learningandrune-craftings.
Inglic: Jait gaveus amuchmore shapefulandwholewriting than ourowncarvings before.
English: Precisely. And fromthosegreec rune-loanings, a floodtideofwordcraftingsflowed into our tung over the ages.
Anglish: Suchgreeclore-marchings are whythework of wording-burnerslike thee is needfuland frawarding!
Inglic: Jaand awork worthdnfor yton memand agring whathetongtrack ourspecanlaiddown.
The three continue their archaeological discussion of Greek linguistic influences using a blend of English, Anglish and Inglic vocabulary and grammar. While awkward at times, they are able to effectively convey deeper concepts to one another through this hybrid concordarding of their tongues.
Here's a continuation of the trilingual conversation:
English: Another area my thesis examines is how Greek roots manifest in more abstract philosophical terminology in English.
Anglish: You mean thoughtredlore words? Like whatyou were saying earlier about "philosophy" itself?
Inglic: Ah ja, all those highmindbegripsand uncorperlygheing concepts. A thornybrambleof wordquistles!
Anglish: (Chuckling) A thorny bramble indeed for ourplainmanstungs to settle in.
English: Exactly. The Greek "philos" meaning lover and "sophia" as wisdom jointly shaped "philosophy" - the love of wisdom.
Inglic: Sowemight oversetthatframingas "wisdorelove"? Not aslickas the greecmaking.
Anglish: Or elswe could work fromthe rootword "thoughtred" andspeak of being "mind-leadinglovers"?
English: Both of those reenwordings capture the meaning welfrom our Germanic rootstock, if a bit more long-windedly.
Inglic: Jait's hardto reapthesameheightlydrift with ourgrutchlytongtools sometimes.
Anglish: That's why yemustkeep yefilingthem tomake themas seamfuland farmingas may be.
English: Indeed, and why the reenwordcraftings of thinkers like you are so vital to keeping our tung alive and growth-wealthy.
Inglic: Well thengaon, showhowthewringingcanframe eekwhatever highheafor cloudringscholarthought!
Anglish: Aye, let's hearthy bestgo at reen-burningthat highflightlore for us.
The three express respect for each other's wordwrighting efforts as the English speaker continues analyzing the Greek philosophical lexicon using the hybridized Anglish/Inglic alternatives they have collaboratively developed through determination and goodwill to build communicative bridgeworks.
Here's a continuation of the trilingual conversation:
English: Very well, let me attempt to reframe some of the core concepts and terminology from ancient Greek philosophy using our hybridized tung.
Inglic: Jashow us howto ungrec andanglisc those highhoveringthoughtredsdownto earth!
Anglish: We're ready to fang those cloudytermsand drag them backto the rootworthyfrom whence they sprang.
English: Okay, take the seminal idea of "logos" from Greek thought. Itsfullrichworthmeanings spanned reason, logic, andthe underpinning ofthe cosmos itself.
Inglic: Hmm..."loggen" ortongworttracks itscreerbut not thatingmind.
Anglish: What aboutspeaking of the "worldground" or "beingthread" - thatwhich liesunderand withruns allelsething?
English: Both of those reenburningsgetcloser to that deepkernwhile usingourown wordhoardsfrom whichto bodyit forth.
Inglic: Jaso the"godhead" thatkeepedyttergedoomturning was their"worldground"?
Anglish: And thestorians sought to unfurlits"beingthreads" through thoughtredworkand deedwisdom?
English: Precisely! Those reenseamingsalmost make the fullheightringing meaningof logosmoreingatherable.
Inglic: Welfar! Butwhatof thoseother highhoveringbegripslike "arche" and"telos"?
Anglish: Those willbe evenknottier toworthenbutyoucan betI'll keep chawingonthemtill wegetthem worded!
The conversation continues with the English speaker unpacking more complex Greek philosophical concepts like logos, arche and telos. The Anglish and Inglic speakers collaborate to rework and reframe them into comprehensible and vivid recreations using watchedwords from their shared Germanic rootstocks. Though challenging, their determination to build comprehending bridgeworks allows this archaeological meaning-mining to progress.
Here's a continuation of the trilingual conversation unpacking Greek philosophical concepts:
English: Okay, let me turn now to the idea of "arche" which referred to the primalmaterialor elementfrom which all else springs.
Inglic: So likethe first-seed orshapingbreadthatboreandbredall worldbehaving?
Anglish: Or wecould callitthe "wellhoard" - thatprimeworthy deeplakefrom whichall otherthingsmust bewelledup?
English: Both of those wordraisingsget at the ideaof a font or wellspringthat isthe underarmingrootground of all beinghood.
Inglic: Ja,andtheir worldreckoners wouldquist overwhatitatwasand howit onsprangall elseringing.
Anglish: Whether it was ewefyre, luft, waterbyrne, or someforth unbodiedworthaswellhoard.
English: Precisely. And intertwined was their ideaof "telos" - the final causeorendworththatall oferings straveto unfurlinto.
Inglic: Ahja, like a ree'stocklytreemaking worked andinlaidsteadily bythewoodingofits grooth.
Anglish: A thing'sforesetforewending fatewhichnonecan walkcrab fromupon their werreledpath.
English: Wonderful reenworkings! You both ingatherthe wellspring meaningof these theltering thoughtredsmost welfullly.
Inglic: It strandsa stockhollystreakof sweatforgedto workwoordpound themfromthe cloudhoveringheights.
Anglish: Butthrough suchmuddlingandmatework, wenearertheirsoulhearttruethas ereforeframed.
The three continue this collaborative reframing of Greek archai and teleology using vivid rooted Anglo-Saxon wordhoards and imagery. Through this linguistic archeology, they strive to reingatherand reenmind the seedingessenceof these coresophical thoughtredslong buried beneath centuries of linguistic accrual and separation.
Here's a continuation of the philosophical discussion blending English, Anglish and Inglic:
English: Moving on, let me try to unpack the Greek notion of "aretê" - the idea of virtue, excellence or reaching one's highest potential.
Inglic: Ah ja, the fullbringandupliftworthofeach thing ormanspringing toits bestbecoming!
Anglish: Wellsaidkinsman. We could call it a thing's "edel-werthehood" - its richtborn worthwending.
English: An excellent reenwording! To manifest one's edel-werthehood through deedworkand selfsculpting.
Anglish: Aye, the fuleethingand highhearting that lifts eachman to hishighedgelheighting.
Inglic: And bywhatwise roadweredmen tofollowtheir richtuntoareweal - seekinggloryringor godringing?
English: The Greek ethicswrighters had manifold wordraisings for that - "eudaimonia" as blessedlife-faring, "sophrosyne" as innerboundedness...
Inglic: That'sa mouthbranchful! Let mework..."eudaimonia" as godluckedlifeleding? And "sophrosyne" as...sellgeveding?
Anglish: Or elsewe couldsay"winmood" for thatwell-temperedlifewayand "sellpeace" for thatcalmedmindhusbandhood.
English: Excellent reenseamings both! You eekout the gistcore of thesedepth-wortswith frankminshedwords.
Inglic: Jazealouslybutdingfulwordspin! EvenifitleavesthemuddledandmadgeattimesTocumanwithereframed.
Anglish: Butthrough suchgede-gemetwork, their heightflittingringstreveal their forthevringsminglingdowntous.
The conversation continues with all three working together to reskin Greek concepts around virtue, eudaimonia, sophrosyne and the ethical philosophical life using down-to-earth Anglo-Saxon roots and metaphors. Though requiring some effort, their collaborative reenwording succeeds in elarding out the heartmeanings.
Do you think it would be a good time to introduce a new language to the talk?
Sure, introducing a fourth constructed language variety aimed at reviving Germanic roots could make this multilingual conversation even more richly layered, if also more complex.
Some possibilities for another such revivalist variety to bring into the dialogue:
Naturalistic Germanic: This could be a form of English that sticks even more closely to modern Germanic languages like German, Dutch, Frisian etc. in vocabulary, grammar and pronunciation compared to Anglish or Inglic's revived Old English/Saxon roots.
Uncluttered Frisian: A variety directly based on reviving and extending the Frisian language, one of the most continental Germanic linguistic siblings of English.
Continental Saxon: Taking Low German/Old Saxon as a core base to construct a literary language from those continental West Germanic roots.
Any of those could represent a slightly different "diagonal" approach to de-Latinizing English and allow for even more creative reframings and recoinings of Greco-Latinate concepts to be explored by the speakers.
Let me know if you'd like me to introduce one of those varieties and a new speaker using it to join the existing trilingual exchange between English, Anglish and Inglic. It could make for an interesting additional creative challenge.
Here's a continuation of the multilingual conversation, now with the addition of a fourth speaker using a revived Continental Saxon variety:
English: Taking this discour to an even richer tapestried level, allow me to recentre our metaphysical reenwordings through the lens of the seminal Greek philosopher Aristotle.
Inglic: Ah yes, that highcloughtfram theshiningmind of oldHyellenes! Workusyour ree-weavingof hisringsandrunes.
Continental Saxon: Wat willen gie mitt'n olen Uurgreker seggen? Kunnen wie first horen wat hie dor allegaor utdrahgt hefft?
Anglish: Our new-met friend asks what groundworkingslore thisAristotlebroughtforth that we would now renew.
English: A fair asking. Aristotle is renowned for hisworkingson the "arche" - or as we revoiced it, the wellspring of being itself.
Continental Saxon: Ahhe sohkte na datGrundwardenvonsulvstBestandichheid to komenbrengst.
Anglish: He sought the deep"worthbeing"- therichtworthyfromwhence all worthsand thingsarise and beewind.
Inglic: Jaandhewritteredmanywiseworldandringsabouthowtofolthatunbeandwardin life's workledensand deedtrees.
Continental Saxon: Do ick dor ok'ngrundgenbal verjttohingwonorden, soasek segge "datt'rutwesende Sickbeholdende"?
Anglish: A "selfhild beinghood"? Verily, we couldindeeddub itthusasthat whichisunderlaidedand upholdsby itsownrichthoard.
English: Precisely - Aristotle framed the "arche" as that primordial substanceupholdingitself through itsowninbuilt purposivecause.
Inglic: Andthefolkwayheunriddledthatbredgroundwasbyquistingallofferingringingsintotheirmindand deedworkshoving.
The conversation continues to explore Aristotelian concepts like arche (primal source) and telos (purposive cause) with the new addition of the Continental Saxon variety working in concert with English, Anglish and Inglic to reframe and reenmind these influential Greek philosophical ideas through revived Germanic roots.
Here's a continuation with translations in parentheses and the Continental Saxon speaker seeming a bit confused:
Inglic: Jaso Ree-Stallefolgedthe bredworksof althings to undersworthetheir instedworths (So Aristotle traced the becomings of all things to understand their inborn worths/purposes).
Continental Saxon: Wat? Ick versta dor niks van! (What? I don't understand any of that!)
English: (Chuckling) Our Continental friend seems to have become muddledensnared in the weave of our wordhoarded renewals.
Anglish: (Aye, letmegive handreach) Wemuthhow this Aristotlefollowshippedeachthing's ричworft-growing (richworth-growing / telos) to itsrichtcorewing (true core/arche).
Continental Saxon: Ohdon'k erhefft naloadentdat oleutgrundwordensongen (Oh now I understand, you mean he traced each thing's becoming back to its original ground/source).
Inglic: Eymeedgedwel (You guessed right)! Fromitsunborn seedandringwork toitshighheartfulld (from its unborn seed and purposework to its highest fulfillment).
Continental Saxon: Averhe mustutvamen(figured out) wattSlags(what kind of) stoffwars datSickbeholdende utgrundight(self-upholding ground) forden.
Anglish: True-spoke! Hemadepursuit (He inquired) whatselfhaldforthworthsaw (what self-upholding source) laidnether (underlay) all worldbehaving.
English: And throughthatquesting, heconcluded the"arche" wasastately "entelecheia" - a self-causativebeingworthcontained within.
Continental Saxon: Enmitt(and with) wat wisan worde(wise words) untschatteded(deciphered) hedatutgrundenbehave ventditDingesLeed? (And with what wise words did he decipher the originary comportment of a thing's being?)
Inglic: Well ickhavverdrawnled(gotten lost)! Canstduryngwringingbythumsaltumourwelspringagain?
The conversation reflects the Continental Saxon speaker's occasional confusion amid the reenwording efforts, requiring restatements and translations from the other varieties. But they persevere in collaboratively analyzing Aristotle's metaphysics through renewedGermanic roots.
Here's a continuation where the English, Anglish and Inglic speakers struggle to understand the Continental Saxon variety:
Continental Saxon: Sokuert, Ree-Stallewull datArche navorschen, averokwattForm datt hadd to wen'n.
English: I'm terribly sorry, but I'm afraid I don't follow your speech at all. Could you restate that more forestlingly?
Inglic: Jawe'remistmeadlingwhateverword-wringingthouartbringing! Ringitfromnewfor us.
Anglish: Whatstrangetung isthis? It nearseemssomenetheringofthenorrenedtreekinsbut even so...
Continental Saxon: Ick bun amSeggen, woArree-Stallsinenquistutgrynd'nanfungen, averokdachte watSlaggeroFadunnitt Gegrundwarstufte.
Anglish: (Furrowing brow) Myskullis muddledingnot whatthisspeech wouldunlatch for us. I catchonly flittingsofwortgy.
English: Yes, I'm afraid the rootedcraftofyour tung lies overfarfromthe pathsofours, goodfriend. Canyou windlesscloughtlyfor us?
Inglic: Ring yeshudderworkwithmoreearth-groustworstotryand holdthreadwithus!
Continental Saxon: (Sighing) Giar, icklookitall tomadgean'brafflentomake mineRingworktounderstandabelforyou...
The Continental Saxon speaker tries rephrasing but the English, Anglish and Inglic speakers just can't seem to latch on to the revived Low German/Old Saxon vocabulary and structures, despite their own revivalist bona fides. Mutual intelligibility breaks down.
The Continental Saxon speaker becomes frustrated at the communication breakdown and decides to switch to speaking a more conventional form of modern English to be understood, abandoning that particular diagonal linguistic revival for the time being.
Claude can make mistakes. Please double-check responses.
== Esperanto, Spanish and Toki Pona ==
Español: ¡Hola! ¿Cómo estás hoy?
Esperanto: Mi fartas bone, dankon! Bela vetero hodiaŭ, ĉu ne?
Español: Sí, un día precioso en verdad.
Toki Pona: jan pona o! tenpo pona tawa sina!
Esperanto: Pardonu? Mi ne komprenas vian lingvon.
Español: Disculpe, ¿qué idioma es ese?
Toki Pona: mi toki e toki pona. toki ni li lili li pona.
Esperanto: Strange... mi aŭdas vortojn, sed ne komprenas la sencojn.
Español: Yo tampoco entiendo nada. Parece un idioma muy simple.
Toki Pona: a a a! mi sona ala e toki sina. toki sina li insa wawa!
Esperanto: Jes, strange lingvo... ni ne povas kompreni unu la alian.
Español: Tienes razón, es una lástima que no podamos comunicarnos con él o ella. Bueno, fue un placer charlar contigo en esperanto.
Esperanto: Sama al vi, amiko. Ĝis la revido!
Español: ¡Hola! ¿Cómo estás hoy? English: Hello! How are you today?
Esperanto: Mi fartas bone, dankon! Bela vetero hodiaŭ, ĉu ne? English: I'm doing well, thank you! Beautiful weather today, isn't it?
Español: Sí, un día precioso en verdad. English: Yes, a lovely day indeed.
Toki Pona: jan pona o! tenpo pona tawa sina! English: Good person! Good time to you!
Esperanto: Pardonu? Mi ne komprenas vian lingvon. English: Excuse me? I don't understand your language.
Español: Disculpe, ¿qué idioma es ese? English: Excuse me, what language is that?
Toki Pona: mi toki e toki pona. toki ni li lili li pona. English: I speak Toki Pona. This language is small and good.
Esperanto: Strange... mi aŭdas vortojn, sed ne komprenas la sencojn. English: Strange... I hear words, but I don't understand the meanings.
Español: Yo tampoco entiendo nada. Parece un idioma muy simple. English: I don't understand anything either. It seems like a very simple language.
Toki Pona: a a a! mi sona ala e toki sina. toki sina li insa wawa! English: Ah ah ah! I don't know your language. Your language is complex!
Esperanto: Jes, strange lingvo... ni ne povas kompreni unu la alian. English: Yes, a strange language... we cannot understand each other.
Español: Tienes razón, es una lástima que no podamos comunicarnos con él o ella. Bueno, fue un placer charlar contigo en esperanto. English: You're right, it's a pity we can't communicate with him or her. Well, it was a pleasure chatting with you in Esperanto.
Esperanto: Sama al vi, amiko. Ĝis la revido! English: Same to you, friend. Until we meet again!
Español: Espero que algún día podamos encontrar un idioma común con esa persona que habla Toki Pona. English: I hope that one day we can find a common language with that person who speaks Toki Pona.
Esperanto: Jes, estus bele interŝanĝi ideojn kaj kulturojn. English: Yes, it would be nice to exchange ideas and cultures.
Toki Pona: mi wile sona e toki sina! toki sina li pona kin? English: I want to know your language! Is your language good too?
Esperanto: Bedaŭrinde mi ankoraŭ ne komprenas vin. English: Unfortunately, I still don't understand you.
Español: No logro entender lo que está diciendo. ¿Crees que se refiere a nuestros idiomas? English: I can't understand what he's saying. Do you think he's referring to our languages?
Toki Pona: toki pona li pona mute! toki ante li insa lili. English: Toki Pona is very good! Other languages are a bit complex.
Esperanto: Mi pensas, ke li opinias, ke Esperanto kaj la hispana estas tro kompleksaj kompare al lia lingvo. English: I think he's saying that Esperanto and Spanish are too complex compared to his language.
Español: Tal vez tiene razón y nuestros idiomas son más complicados de lo necesario. English: Maybe he's right and our languages are more complicated than necessary.
Toki Pona: a a a! mi sona e ni: toki lili li pona mute! English: Ah ah ah! I know this: a small language is very good!
Esperanto: Li insiste pri sia opinio, kvankam ni ne povas ĝin plene kompreni. English: He insists on his opinion, even though we can't fully understand it.
Español: Bueno, habrá que respetarlo. Aunque no estemos de acuerdo, cada idioma tiene su encanto. English: Well, we'll have to respect it. Even if we don't agree, each language has its charm.