Report 1612

Report #1612
Skillset: Celestialism Skill: None
 Org: Aquamancers Status: Rejected Feb 2017
Furies' Decision:
Reject - Cherubs are not as powerful as archangels, and this would be a purely
mechanical change that ignores theme.
Problem: As you learn your way through Celestialism you learn to summon various
angelic creatures, however once you learn the next one, you are unable to summon
the one before. Several people have mentioned they would like to be able to
summon the different angelic creatures from Celestia, so this report seeks to
ask for a cosmetic change to summoning your companion, also extending to
Nihilism companions also.
[A:13 R: 0] Solution #1: Allow a Celestine to be able to summon a companion of
 their choice, eg. STARCALL
 CHERUB/DEVA/ANGEL/ARCHANGEL. These companions will be
 as strong as the highest companion the Celestine has
 learned. Also include Nihilist demons.
Player Comments:
---[Enyalida on 2/3 @ 20:24 writes]:
Is cool.
---[Sylvanas on 2/5 @ 00:02 writes]:
I see no issue with this.
---[Ixion on 2/7 @ 07:51 writes]:
Supported in the mechanical aspects. However, there are conflicts with making
lesser angels/demons the same as archangels/archdemons. Namely, turn-
in/influence value depends on type, arch versions and their connection to the
half-formed "leaders" of Luciphage/Elohora as being stronger, and so on. What if
any type could be summoned at will to satisfy that need to have the type you
want, but the power/mechanics/investment limits remains intact?
---[Auriella on 2/7 @ 14:58 writes]:
When I mention strength I mean the amount of powers you can invest in the angel,
so if I have learned to Archangel but wish to summon a cherub, I can still
invest seven powers, everything else is just cosmetic. It won't affect
influence/turn-in...though pretty sure you can't influence your summoned angel.
I don't see how changing the look of something is causing any issues.
---[Ixion on 2/8 @ 04:20 writes]:
I thought it was relevant to mention the intentional and coded disparity in
strength by type, which is what you want to change for the guardian loyals.
There's an argument to be had for ideological/thematic consistency with the
strength and importance of those types. Again, support the change but it's worth
noting the full picture for those reading this.
---[Avurekhos on 2/8 @ 05:26 writes]:
After some consideration, while I like the spirit of the report to put
everything on the same level mechanically it really does not make any sense
thematically. The Archdemon/Archangel represents the all-encompassing
Supernal/Demon Lord on a Celestine/Nihilist's journey for perfection of their
own idealogical path. The idea to not draw away from their importance is to
perhaps make the Cherub/Deva and Imp/Fiend more on par with the Angel/Demon. At
least then they would still have five investible powers to work with while
avoiding destroying what should be a meaningful accomplishment. Just my two
cents on the matter.
---[Shedrin on 2/8 @ 15:21 writes]:
I don't really understand the objections here. Will defer to the lore-admins,
but otherwise I don't see a problem.
---[Falmiis on 2/9 @ 00:55 writes]:
I don't really see this being a big deal either way.
---[Aeldra on 2/12 @ 17:23 writes]:
Support from me, pending the decision of lore-admins. I don't see much of a
problem myself, can imagine how it could be disliked by some, though ( as a
cherub, in theory in practice, can not be as strong as an archangel )
---[Wobou on 2/16 @ 05:43 writes]:
I support solution 1. I am definitely no lore expert but in my mind saying that
a celestine/nihilist with training is able to access higher powered beings is
equivalent to saying that a celestine can access more powerful cherubs/devas as
they grow in the light (maybe not angels because it's kinda weird to replace
your archangel with an angel).