146296-gear-rolls-in-instances

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l made a ticket giving this as a suggestion but was sent to the forum instead so here goes. 
 
My ticket read: 'Hello,
l'm honestly tired of DPS rolling on support gear as NEED when the healer clearly needs the item. So here's the obvious suggestion: If someone's Light gear doesn't mean they should be able to roll for something that isn't for their spec. There is no situation in which a DPS Esper would have to NEED on a support item. So PLEASE make it so that if l bothered to run the whole dungeon with him, he doesn't roll (and win) both pieces of gear at the last boss... gear that isn't for him'
Needless to say l would have written 3 more pages if it weren't for the character restriction so kudos for that.. keeps people like me from talking your ear off. However, my rage has subsided since last night so l'll try to keep this here post shorter as a result.
The context of that ticket is as follows. My husband (Engineer tank) and l (Spellslinger healer) queue for Veteran STL to gear my newly leveled healer of ilvl 66 and get paired up with an Esper, another Spellslinger and another Engineer. The dungeon went fine and was quite fast with the exception of a very rude Esper who had zero patience and quite the colorful vocabulary at times. l have no interest in reporting him for fowl language of anything, really, but l will use him as an example of the kind of people l absolutely detest both in-game and in real life. He treats people badly and at the end guess what... rolls need on every piece of gear that he can roll on. There were no Light armor drops until Stormtalon so l had no reason to vote to kick him out but he sure took advantage of the opportunity when it arose. Boss dies, drops 2 piece of Support Light gear, he rolls need, he wins them both and even after l asked why he's doing that, he proceeded in ignoring me and left. Gladly enough the other Spellslinger had the decency to recognize that DPS don't wear Support gear. Thanks random Spellslinger, the world needs more of you.
l'm sure there are other people who agree with me on this, like l said in the ticket, there's no situation in which a DPS would have to NEED roll on a healer item so l don't think they should be given the option to. People do it at every and all levels. l guess l missed the memo that said 'if you can roll on it, need' or maybe it's my good manners that taught me that if someone else can use it, l shouldn't touch it. 
It's just downright sad when you waste your time on a veteran, not knowing who you're gonna be there with and how much time it's gonna take, and then at the end someone ninjas your gear just because they can.
Please take this as an actual suggestion, l'm not just venting. It's frustrating and when the only reason you're there in the first place is to get that piece of gear, it kind of makes you really resent running the dungeon in the first place. That's no way to enjoy the game.
Anyway, that's all. Thanks for reading and/or replying if you bothered " :)	
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			hey there im sorry that u had that experience! unfortunately this NEED EVERYTHING has been happening for a while now and yeah its pretty bad! My solution for this would be that once u queue for said dungeon eg Healer and tick that box that the Assualt gear that drops would then be locked out to u! im sure that would be very hard to do seeing as there BoE items as well! would be nice tho! That being said i hope you and your wife dont have do many of theese experiences! if u happen to be on Jabbit 1 and both of u need a guild with family like yourself playing gimme a whisper and we can hook u up! www.supercollider.enjin.com again most people will say mind if i need ? but yeah getteing rarer lately! hope ur experience picks up :) 	
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In general, I think folks ought to be able to roll on gear that they can wear.  DPS people are frequently desiring to pick up gear to support their offspec, and Tank/Healers are often desiring to pick up gear to support their offspec.  
 
I don't support a full "lockout" on assault/support gear per role, but it wouldn't fuss me any if there were priority given to the position.  I don't think that's a full solution.  You can still have people rolling need on things they don't strictly need for gearing and instead for the salvage or sale potential, but it might still help folks gearing up.
 
So, you know, if I were designing it, I might say:
1. All BoE gear is needable by those who can use it immediately, greedable by all, no priority given.
2. BoP gear can be only Greed rolled on by those who cannot use it.
3. BoP gear can be Need rolled on by those who can use it.
4. If a BoP gear is Assault biased, those in the instance as DPS get priority on Need rolls.
5. If a BoP gear is Support biased, those in the instance as Tank/Healer get priority on Need rolls.
 
Maybe that approaches some sort of fairness or parity.	
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hey there im sorry that u had that experience! unfortunately this NEED EVERYTHING has been happening for a while now and yeah its pretty bad! My solution for this would be that once u queue for said dungeon eg Healer and tick that box that the Assualt gear that drops would then be locked out to u! im sure that would be very hard to do seeing as there BoE items as well! would be nice tho! That being said i hope you and your wife dont have do many of theese experiences! if u happen to be on Jabbit 1 and both of u need a guild with family like yourself playing gimme a whisper and we can hook u up! www.supercollider.enjin.com again most people will say mind if i need ? but yeah getteing rarer lately! hope ur experience picks up :)
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You don't want to lockout a person from being able to need on something he or she can wear, because then there is a frequent situation where they have equal priority with prole who can't even equip the gear. That's no good
 
I think the current system is fine and simple. If someone takes something and you think it's infair, I say better just to shake it off, do the dungeon again, and hope for better luck next time. It will drop again (this stuff isn't super rare any more).	
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I don't know that what I laid out exclusively locks anyone out of something they can (potentially) use.  Just that people who are invested in the role for that gear should get a little priority.  Maybe they get 50 added to their Need roll or something.  There's at least half a dozen different ways to implement it, but in general you'd like the gear to go to those who can best utilize it.  
 
Plus, maybe that gets people to queue for tank and heals.  You want to gear up your offspec?  You will have a quicker time queuing as your offspec because that gear you want you'll have some priority for obtaining over some DPS person gearing their offspec while playing mainspec..  That way you get practice AND gear.
 
(Naturally the fastest and most satisfying way to gear up and avoid all of this is to join a guild of friends, but that probably goes without saying.)	
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I was responding to OPs suggestion. I don't mind your changes- I think they'd make sense. Though I don't really feel like they are that necessary.
 
(But then, I mostly ignore gear in dungeons anyway, so I'm probably not the target audience here :) )	
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I was responding to OPs suggestion. I don't mind your changes- I think they'd make sense. Though I don't really feel like they are that necessary.
 
(But then, I mostly ignore gear in dungeons anyway, so I'm probably not the target audience here :) )
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Not even taking the time to read all of this. Yes it is an issue because people are selfish. But to lock out someone from getting gear that they may need is absurd.
 
Just because you are a specific spec for that dungeon, that does not mean you aren't there to get gear for your other spec. 
 
This is not an isolated issue to WildStar, it is going to happen in all MMOs. It's just plain greed in most cases.	
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Another option is replacing Need/Greed with:
Role Need/Class Need/Greed
 
If you are in the Role for an item you can use, Role Need is accessible to you. 
If your class can simply use the item, the game allows you to click Class Need.
 
That and I would remove the Need buttons altogether on non-gear like decor.
			
				
	Edited November 6, 2015 by futrix	
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