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The entire point of my post could not have gone any farther over your head.
 
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All the available evidence, huh? The developers who have reiterated that they have no plans to go F2P, that NCSoft and Carbine are in it for the long haul, the regular updates and improvements, the surge in returning players... Yup, certainly all the evidence in WildStar suggests that P2P is not working!
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Hey,
 
I am a proud member of Cupcakes Anonymous, the unofficial Wildstar fanclub.
 
I realize that Carbine and NCSoft have set themselves financial goals which need to be achieved, and that if they are not this will have consequences.
 
Should one of those consequences be F2P, so be it. I will just stop playing.
 
What annoys me about the F2P/B2P maffia is that they are not just satisfied with playing this gorgeous game and just seeing IF it will end up F2P/B2P, no they actively seek to expedite this possible change. It is almost as if some posters on these forums WANT to see the game fail. For what reason I dont know, but I can guess.
 
I know that when I think a game is worth playing I do some searching to see what other people think of the game. The idea that possible new players to Wildstar decide to not try it out because they are put off by the sofism and vitriol of the B2P/F2P maffia on these official forums (see the above post), is just sad to me.
 
I hope this game will not go F2P because my experiences with those games and the mindsets of some of those people that play F2P games, have not been good and I really like Wildstar the way it is (though there is room for, and will ALWAYS be room for, improvement). Fortunately, I have had not trouble finding groups levelling lately and see plenty of helpful and friendly people around, which makes me very happy.
 
Cheers and see you in game!,	
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The idea that possible new players to Wildstar decide to not try it out just because they are put off by the sofism and vitriol of the B2P/F2P maffia on these official forums (see the above post), is just sad to me.
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Yeah game is dead, ported to Thayd and it was like graveyard.
 
 
Oh wait its not.
 
Frankly I dont even wanna see anymore people joining in, my PC cant handle it you guys! :D 	
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I honestly think the state of wildstar's population is not as bad as people seem to make it out to be.
 
The more people doomsay the worse the rumour mill gets.
 
Just accept that carbine/NCSoft are in charge of the future of wildstar, and if they were to change the model it is at their discretion. It is not our place to scream and shout about how "we know better". Just let time run it's course and let whatever happens, happen.	
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Yeah game is dead, ported to Thayd and it was like graveyard.
 
 
Oh wait its not.
 
Frankly I dont even wanna see anymore people joining in, my PC cant handle it you guys! :D
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Man I knew someone will say that...I just knew it :D , Seriously I dont know if you play this game at all atm...or play on pvp server and dont wanna take FREE TRANSFER.
 
I never even said anything about healthy population its just screen..and when Im leveling Im also seeing lot of people in zones to do group quests with and dung finder always found me group fairly quickly. So I have no idea how numbers look like but for me there is more then enough people.
 
And sorry that I dont play on pvp server (only other server...) so I could say otherwise. But I dont play on pvp servers in any MMO. Heck I never even do BGs and such. So I cant tell you anything about that. Im just telling you what my experiance with playing this game is. Sorry if yours is different.	
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Since when does PR speak constitute evidence over actual numbers and financial statements? There's these things called quarterly reports, one of which was just released, and it shows just how poorly Wildstar is doing. Logic and numbers, how do they work?
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			So many post on this topic for a game that hardly gets played at all...odd. ;)	
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Ahahahaha I'm going to believe the words and actions of the people who are actually in charge of the game over the words of someone would-be player who just wants to see it go F2P. The fact that they continue to work to improve the game - changes that continue to bring people back - and have made no move whatsoever to deviate from their pay model is evidence plenty.
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The denial in this thread is pretty funny. Buy 2 Play would certainly be the best option with in game shop for costumes, ways to reclaim runes from gear, small stuff that would make quality of life a little better but nothing too serious. 
 
I'm logged on a Sunday afternoon (pretty much prime time since no one is working) and there isn't that many people in Illium and I've been sat in LFG for the daily vet adventure with 3 other people. All we need is one more person yet we have been waiting at least 40 mins. 
 
The game is awesome. The population is not. 
 
Just for the record too. A screenshot of about 30-40 people is not an indication of how populated a server is. For all you know that could be 80% of the population right there. 	
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Well I'm getting at most 5min queues for bgs all week. My guild played warplots this afternoon and rbgs are starting to become populated again.
 
This is a sign of population RISE not decline.	
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Well I'm getting at most 5min queues for bgs all week. 
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Well I'm getting at most 5min queues for bgs all week. My guild played warplots this afternoon and rbgs are starting to become populated again.
 
This is a sign of population RISE not decline.
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			You're the one claiming the numbers are too low. Carbine seems pretty happy with how things are going and confident in how they will improve.	
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You're the one claiming the numbers are too low. Carbine seems pretty happy with how things are going and confident in how they will improve.
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You're the one claiming the numbers are too low.
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10 people are playing a game. 10 more people are playing a game. That's a 100% increase in players!!!!!
 
Without numbers of players every claim is almost invalidated. The subs from the reports are the only solid information we have unless carbine decide to release CONCURRENT user numbers, which they wont. 
 
Edit: This isn't trying to debunk what you have experience although I do find it a tad unlikely but people need to remove their rose tinted shades and try and not be so narrow minded, if you truly wanted the game to succeed then you would welcome any way to increase the user base with open arms but because of the stigma that goes with "Free 2 Play" caused most likely from horrible cash in games, any sensible attempt at free to play is given the same treatment. Heck league of legends is free to play and look how not pay to win and popular that is. People need to embrace new ideas instead of being so stubborn and entitled.
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I know that I wait in queue sometimes even on a support class for more then an hour. It is what it is. I think one of my biggest problems and has been since beta is the estimated times in the GF tool are a joke. It will say 5 seconds and 27 minutes later you are still waiting. 
 
More players never hurts anything.
 
New players need an easier way to get into end game content, constantly rolling players through attunement is a joke. Oh look we killed another world boss with 6 of us AWESOME no I'm totally ready for GA. Let's cut the BS I want to be able to run a new player through a couple of dungeons even if they have never seen them before and get a feel for them. Once I do that I make an assessment on if we can work them into raids. I don't need the game to do that for me with an arbitrary quest. 
 
Cross faction queuing might be the answer to a few things. Also might not be just a thought. 	
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Guys dont feed the F2P trolls its so pointless i mean u have to pay to play any of the good games online for ps4 and Xbox so WHY ask people who made such a beautiful game and put in so much time and effort just be like... here guys here's a free game ... u know... for the lols
 
its like what 15 euro a month or less or something.... one or 2 overpriced chicken rolls and a couple of cans of coke less and bam...
wildstar is worth every penny imo. And as for the community on Jabbit! Outstanding :) :) :) 	
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Your "input" means nothing if it doesn't bring in more revenue, and your opinion means less than nothing if it lacks substance.
 
No, you don't have to "roll over" and let Wildstar go F2P; too bad that's irrelevant, because plenty of people will, and enough of those people will make impulse purchases to cover whatever revenue was lost from your subscription. Taking a stand with your wallet would be more meaningful if F2P doesn't work out for Carbine. However, all of the available evidence suggests that it will work out, since pretty much every known MMO that has switched to B2P/F2P has ended up being more successful than it was before.
 
The results from Rift, SW:ToR, GW and GW2 don't lie. NCSoft's quarterly report doesn't lie. I'm sorry if you're emotionally invested in this game's payment model, but all of the available evidence shows that it's not working. Unless this game gets a substantial increase in subscribers (no, I'm not talking about the 20 extra people you see in Thayd), which is pretty much unheard of outside of expansion releases, F2P/B2P is a matter of when, not if. 
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I am really hoping the 1Q15 report shows growth from last year due to Drop 4 and hype about Drop 5. For two reasons really:
 
1.) Means the game will truly be growing and the eye test I see in Thayd is proven by numbers.
 
2.) It means I get to laugh as F2P advocates have to find different excuses	
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I am really hoping the 1Q15 report shows growth from last year due to Drop 4 and hype about Drop 5. For two reasons really:
 
1.) Means the game will truly be growing and the eye test I see in Thayd is proven by numbers.
 
2.) It means I get to laugh as F2P advocates have to find different excuses
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			Edit: Meh, not a constructive post. Self moderated.	
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Hope you're ready to get disappointed again! It's going to take some kind of drastic change to fix the game. It's pretty clear the current business model just isn't working. 
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We don't need some drastic change that all of a sudden its BOOM 2 million players! We just need to show growth. If the 1Q15 report shows growth from the last report, and the trend continues with each new drop, that will mean the business model is working.
 
This game does not need WoW subscription numbers to survive and profit.
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1st: a lot of people cannot play wildstar due to spec issues. not a lot of rigs can run it nicely.
2nd: the world graphics are okish if taken as a whole, but it still feels dated and most of all; disjointed, for most people. add to that that there is no voice over and that chat bubbles are popping up everywhere and over each others. it simply is not a nice game to look at and play for "rpg fans".
3th: content difficulty will eventually get your aunty and easily enraged friend out of wildstar. probably around the vet dungeons or early raids.
4th: subs... unfortunately, it does turn a lot of people off.
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Not sure what any of these points have to do with what I said. If 1Q15 shows a growth in revenue from Wildstar as compared to last quarter, and that trend continues. It proves that the game is growing and the model is working to a point. I am not sure what level of revenue needs to come in quarterly for a profit, but as long as the game is big enough for a profit, it will stick around.
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definitely.
but the less people there is, the less goodies you'll get.
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definitely.
but the less people there is, the less goodies you'll get.
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If there's a growth in revenue, that would mean that more people said hello than goodbye, which is the important thing.  The 10 day free trial is probably the best thing they could have paired with Vet Shiphands.  It's easier for newer players who didn't do instances before to get into Vet Adventures.
 
People really don't need their hand held through easy instances, they just need encouragement to jump into the deep end to prove they can swim.
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keeping 10days trials mostly a word of mouth thing was also very smart. its not the right time to get random casuals and your aunty into the game.
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More like not the time to get all the starving PVPers back into the game.
 
At least for now, PVPers can tell the guys they know would balk at the current build to hang back and get the people who got what they needed to come back.  I assume we'll see a lot more of those FFXIV:ARR style "Play For Free" advertisements that send people to a custom built trial page.  They needed to make sure their game is in a good state all around though.... and that the free trials work.
 
You just never know until it's out there for general use.
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			I've leveled 2 characters through Algoroc/Celestion and Galeras into Whitevale, bumped into a truckload of players in each of them even outside prime times (Jabbit EU).	
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I've leveled 2 characters through Algoroc/Celestion and Galeras into Whitevale, bumped into a truckload of players in each of them even outside prime times (Jabbit EU).
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On the Aurin faction side (Most populated faction) on the PvE server (Only populated server)
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 satanic church city
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On the Aurin faction side (Most populated faction) on the PvE server (Only populated server)
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Dommie is pretty much the same, I go around low level zones every day recruiting for my guild and have got loads of new recruits, all brand new to the game who started with the 10day trial then decided to sub :)
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Yeah I know :) I feel the same too, I want the game to succeed but ultimately I think F2P would be more devastating to the game than beneficial, mostly because of the challenge of the end game content and the nicheness of the game.
 
If Carbine continue to release quality drops like drop 4, and we see a steady but slow increase of new subs, I'm happy with that on it's own.	
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