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			But you know this how? And don't give me that "Because it's how every MMO works crap". Because you don't know what the games future holds. By the looks of the population playing the game right know, F2P for this game exceeded my expectations.. And i had some pretty damn LARGE expectations. Aside from the lag and stuff. The servers are a cesspool right now. Even if there wasn't lag, questing could be a potential issue with the amount of people playing.. 	
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The majority of you guys are smart little cookies. You know exactly why it's a stupid idea to add another server/upgrade the current ones. So for the...-other- population of people, allow me to inform you of something.
Carbine does not want to waste money on either "solutions" because the amount of people playing the game right now will not last. I could be wrong of course, but until they see that X amount of people are sticking with the game, only then will they consider making the servers better. Why upgrade when most of the greedy F2P kiddies won't stay for more than a week or even less? 
 
"But if they don't fix the servers then that will be what's causing people like me to leave!"
Seriously? You'll leave because you had to wait? If you found this game to be a 9/10 or even a 10/10, and it's the most fun you've ever had, you'll leave because you had to wait? Just...wow. Go ahead and leave, we really don't want whatever it is you have to spread to the rest of us. The Mordesh have suffered enough.	
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But you know this how? And don't give me that "Because it's how every MMO works crap". Because you don't know what the games future holds. By the looks of the population playing the game right know, F2P for this game exceeded my expectations.. And i had some pretty damn LARGE expectations. Aside from the lag and stuff. The servers are a cesspool right now. Even if there wasn't lag, questing could be a potential issue with the amount of people playing.. 
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The majority of you guys are smart little cookies. You know exactly why it's a stupid idea to add another server/upgrade the current ones. So for the...-other- population of people, allow me to inform you of something.
Carbine does not want to waste money on either "solutions" because the amount of people playing the game right now will not last. I could be wrong of course, but until they see that X amount of people are sticking with the game, only then will they consider making the servers better. Why upgrade when most of the greedy F2P kiddies won't stay for more than a week or even less? 
 
"But if they don't fix the servers then that will be what's causing people like me to leave!"
Seriously? You'll leave because you had to wait? If you found this game to be a 9/10 or even a 10/10, and it's the most fun you've ever had, you'll leave because you had to wait? Just...wow. Go ahead and leave, we really don't want whatever it is you have to spread to the rest of us. The Mordesh have suffered enough.
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You'll leave because you had to wait? If you found this game to be a 9/10 or even a 10/10, and it's the most fun you've ever had, you'll leave because you had to wait?
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			I am not sure that the whole add a server thing is the crux of the issue.  the servers should be able to handle it due to the megaserver technology.  it seems like there are some technical issues going on with how these servers are scaling up.  if you add another server it would probably still have the same issues until it is resolved.  other modern mmos have this technology and as many people have stated they are not having issues like these.  maybe we are having a larger influx of players than those other games, but I think there is something else going on that is actually causing the issues and not necessarily a lack of other servers.	
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			if u look at it business wise your more likely to lose more players that would stay for longer then you are to lose just the guys who play for a week due to not being able to get in or have lag issues i mean what you just said was aload of crap, unless your god and you know what every person playing the game is like then please just stop saying how you would run a game because all your proving is you cant from a player and business point of view	
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			Personally, I don't think it's a game server issue.  I think it's a bottleneck to the database issue.	
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If it takes a new server to allow me to even make a bloody character I'm all for it....  Been trying for 2 days and haven't seen a single update from NCSoft...
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			To those who are stuck in the queues, you are not missing much. Currently the servers have severe latency issues which means there is no enjoyment in playing due to actions taking so long.	
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I am not sure that the whole add a server thing is the crux of the issue.  the servers should be able to handle it due to the megaserver technology.  it seems like there are some technical issues going on with how these servers are scaling up.  if you add another server it would probably still have the same issues until it is resolved.  other modern mmos have this technology and as many people have stated they are not having issues like these.  maybe we are having a larger influx of players than those other games, but I think there is something else going on that is actually causing the issues and not necessarily a lack of other servers.
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Yes I will leave.
I don't have 2,3,4 hours of free time just to WAIT.
 
It's simple as that.
 
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if u look at it business wise your more likely to lose more players that would stay for longer then you are to lose just the guys who play for a week due to not being able to get in or have lag issues i mean what you just said was aload of crap, unless your god and you know what every person playing the game is like then please just stop saying how you would run a game because all your proving is you cant from a player and business point of view
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Again, people like you don't think properly. You'll lose players that won't be giving you any money in the first place because they expect a game that took years to make upon millions of dollars to develop and get everything for free, so from a business view point you aren't losing anything besides giving the more dedicated players a smaller queue time. Want a smaller queue? Pay for signature. Want the lag gone? Stop being a child and wait a week like you do with every other MMO on release or transition.
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Personally, I don't think it's a game server issue.  I think it's a bottleneck to the database issue.
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so, i have seen a few threads like this.
 
correct me if i am wrong, but i thought that with the megaserver there was no need for "new" servers to be added. aren't the megaservers just phases (instances) with population caps that are supposed to spawn a new phase when reached? if that is the case, why put a cap on the number of possible phases? doesn't really make sense to me if that is the case. i am thinking it is something else causing the problems.	
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Literally took me less than 20 minutes to get in. "2,3,4 hours" is a number you made up because you keep trying to get in anytime you want. Doesn't work that way in the first week of a F2P transition. Be patient and things will smooth out. Carbine did NOT expect this many people to join with F2P, so if this type of traffic continues, you can definitely bet that they'll upgrade their servers.
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so, i have seen a few threads like this.
 
correct me if i am wrong, but i thought that with the megaserver there was no need for "new" servers to be added. aren't the megaservers just phases (instances) with population caps that are supposed to spawn a new phase when reached? if that is the case, why put a cap on the number of possible phases? doesn't really make sense to me if that is the case. i am thinking it is something else causing the problems.
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Trust me, just wait a bit for the non-dedicated players to leave and you guys will have your chance. Just keep trying. If you really want to play, then you can't expect around these kinds of times to get in instantly and make a character immediately. You gotta wait, and really work hard if you want to get into a F2P launch and not be in line for ever.
 
I've made multiple alts already, 3 to be exact as I wanted to wait for the signature service of F2P to start leveling them as there's a boost to experience for subs. Again, don't expect to come on anytime you want and get in immediately. It just doesn't work that way with big transitions like this one.
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Never said I knew the future. It's just the safer choice for a company to wait to see how the game pans out, as opposed to making big decisions because of a temporary boost to the game. Have you even seen any MMO upgrade their current servers or add more servers in the first week of "queue hell?" No. You haven't because it's a stupid decision to make as a business, especially as a business like Carbine that can't afford to make anymore mistakes.
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			If we had actual megaservers and hadn't just been told we did because Carbine knew the population at the time was small enough to fit onto 2 regular servers this wouldn't be an issue.	
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Never said I knew the future. It's just the safer choice for a company to wait to see how the game pans out, as opposed to making big decisions because of a temporary boost to the game. Have you even seen any MMO upgrade their current servers or add more servers in the first week of "queue hell?" No. You haven't because it's a stupid decision to make as a business, especially as a business like Carbine that can't afford to make anymore mistakes.
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The majority of you guys are smart little cookies. You know exactly why it's a stupid idea to add another server/upgrade the current ones. So for the...-other- population of people, allow me to inform you of something.
Carbine does not want to waste money on either "solutions" because the amount of people playing the game right now will not last. I could be wrong of course, but until they see that X amount of people are sticking with the game, only then will they consider making the servers better. Why upgrade when most of the greedy F2P kiddies won't stay for more than a week or even less? 
 
"But if they don't fix the servers then that will be what's causing people like me to leave!"
Seriously? You'll leave because you had to wait? If you found this game to be a 9/10 or even a 10/10, and it's the most fun you've ever had, you'll leave because you had to wait? Just...wow. Go ahead and leave, we really don't want whatever it is you have to spread to the rest of us. The Mordesh have suffered enough.
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Why not make a temporary server for the first month and see how stuff is going ? They lose many potential costumers, and some people already left before even trying this game. I will do so too soon, if they don't fix it by then. Take an example of guild wars 2, they had no issue at all while launching f2p(last month?), and many ftp players went btp because they liked the game.
 
And don't underestimate the power of ftp players. In a way, they also bring money, because they populate a game, and bring friends and other players to the game. Every new player could be a potential paying player. And the new players will also bring more players in the game. So if a game is really good and ftp, some might even consider paying for it. I, for example, pay only to games that are worth paying for, and that doesn't feel pay to win at all. My mates do the same.
 
If new players are waiting too long for a fix, they will think it will also happens in future updates. Thus, avoiding this game and try the next one.
 
As things stand, this is just bad business. First, they made a hybrid between ptp and btp. By doing that, the prices will raise over time, so in the end you only play to pay off the monthly fee stuff. Leading to ptp only, since it is not worth farming for the monthly fee anymore.(didn't play the game when it had that system, but that's what i thought, because it was, in a way, similar to gw2's gem currency.)
Then they made ftp, failed the launch, didn't bring enough backup plans, didn't temporary expand the servers etc..
I am new to this game, but for me, this is just a huge failure. Sorry.	
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Why not make a temporary server for the first month and see how stuff is going ? 
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			So what then? Wait until the lag makes enough people leave and hope for the best?	
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			Seems so. It might not be the actual strategy but right now thats how it looks.	
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			We dont need new server with que over 5k??? Dont troll pls.	
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Please no.
The best solution would not be forcing players into different servers but increasing the server population cap, currently im sure its only rather low because the server itself. Worst case scenario they should try to implement something like GW1 where you had 1 server but several channels which you can cross between.
 
More servers will just be making the same mistake as before.	
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We dont need new server with que over 5k??? Dont troll pls.
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So what then? Wait until the lag makes enough people leave and hope for the best?
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You clearly can't read because I said why in my post. This queue won't be that big in a week after a lot of people quit. If it it lasts for a couple of weeks, then getting a new server would be wise. Even if there was no queue, and no lag, people would still quit to go back to WoW or whatever MMO they mainly play.
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New servers, rental servers or make the megaserver have bigger cap, something has to happen ASAP! We are already losing potential paying customers and the longer it goes on, the more players we will lose. Wildstar already has a bad rep as a mmorpg and we all know what happend the first month it got released. I realy hope this is sorted out before the weekends, but I doubt it.
 
Word of mouth is a powerfull tool, lets hope it wont be used in a negative way.	
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I'm just going by history here not by knowledge of tech. When the game originally launched it had 8 PvE servers and 6 PvP servers on NA. 2 of those servers opened up shortly after the launch.....and guess what?
We still had many of the same problems for about 2 weeks.....sooo
 
You guys wanna repeat history? I'm sure there's a quote in there somewhere.....
 
I'm upset as all of you, I've been waiting forever for the flood gates to open, knowing things were gonna be pretty bad at first but eventually things would settle, we'd be able to play again. New guys coming in take it from someone who has been playing this game for over a year since launch, you really don't think I'm upset I can't play right now because of this awful lag? Been playing just fine up until now and now I can't of course I'm upset but I'm going to be patient because I want all of you in here. I want Warhound to grow, I want the PvP community to grow, and I want this game to grow. 	
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I posted this in a another thread, but it's relavent here as well.
 
 
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You clearly can't read because I said why in my post. This queue won't be that big in a week after a lot of people quit. If it it lasts for a couple of weeks, then getting a new server would be wise. Even if there was no queue, and no lag, people would still quit to go back to WoW or whatever MMO they mainly play.
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I love how the OP makes the thread title in ALL CAPS, because your thread and point of view is more important than everyone elses right? 
A lot of us do understand that on a launch this is normal. But my current issue is that once you get in, the lag is a big issue. And I honestly dont think things are going to get better soon unless something drastic is done. FTP draws in a LOT of people. Wildstar is actually trending right now on Twitter. There was a LOT of buzz about this a week before. Carbine got caught with thier pants down, pure and simple. And I do believe that their current "Megaserver" technolgy is no where near as efficient as the one used for GW2 or ESO, and it is more of a glorified merge of servers.
 
The self-fullfilling prophecy of this, is that some people are going to be driven away from this game if this continues to happen for the next week or two. And as people leave, the servers will run better. Funny how that works.
			
				
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			Why would they revamp game if they expect ppl to leave in 2 weeks??? This will make that effect. New server is must or they can shutdown all servers.	
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Soo.. .I finally got ingame. Can't create a Character but lucky as I am I allready have another one, that somehow made it throu the bugwall.
Now I can't play the game because it lags so stupidly that I don't even know if I am attacked or not. Or... anything.
Wich is why I put that game aside now. You know. Guildwars 2 is ftp now too, and I'm gonna give it a try. Let's see how that works out.
Cya.	
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			i personally am suprised why there are still people playing right now, everyone i have spoken to has delays of 20 sec or more, you can't  do your quests, let alone run dungeons or PvP...what  are people doing?	
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			Go, go, leave! This is the op's turf. Get out people! Move it, move it!	
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Business is all about investment and balance. As long as the balance on the positive side, it's fine, even if you have to count time to get back the money from the investment. Also, business means to take risks. People who don't take risks shouldn't call themselves businessman/woman, EVER.
Look at the result here: No risk, no investment -> Result: Bad start, losing new players, losing some old veterans. If they had taken the risk, then this issue would never occur. It was also pretty obvious that a server needs more capacity when it becomes free to play.
 
I have given this game a chance, despites it's bad reputation, I thought they had enough experience through the years, made enough testings through beta and maybe stresstests. But they haven't done anything at all. Seriously. To impress new players, they invest into new graphics, which is good I think, but they took that investment over server stability.
Server stability should be priority number one. Image you plan some routes, made some terrible mistakes, then no cars can drive through. That is how this is looking right now. Some get stuck on login, some on character creation, others who got in have terrible lags. Out of all games I've played, this one have the worst start of all.
 
Ingame bugs etc. can be fixed pretty fast, but server stability can't be done over the day.
			
				
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i personally am suprised why there are still people playing right now, everyone i have spoken to has delays of 20 sec or more, you can't  do your quests, let alone run dungeons or PvP...what  are people doing?
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@OP
 
To be fair the population will definately not last with a first impression like this. Sure population always dwindles, but scaring potential customers away is not a good idea regardless.	
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Actually we do. I'm not sure it would be worth the cost in the end though; nobody is.
 
I suspect Carbine concluded it wasn't going to and it may cost them down the road.	
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i personally am suprised why there are still people playing right now, everyone i have spoken to has delays of 20 sec or more, you can't  do your quests, let alone run dungeons or PvP...what  are people doing?
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The majority of you guys are smart little cookies. You know exactly why it's a stupid idea to add another server/upgrade the current ones. So for the...-other- population of people, allow me to inform you of something.
Carbine does not want to waste money on either "solutions" because the amount of people playing the game right now will not last. I could be wrong of course, but until they see that X amount of people are sticking with the game, only then will they consider making the servers better. Why upgrade when most of the greedy F2P kiddies won't stay for more than a week or even less? 
 
"But if they don't fix the servers then that will be what's causing people like me to leave!"
Seriously? You'll leave because you had to wait? If you found this game to be a 9/10 or even a 10/10, and it's the most fun you've ever had, you'll leave because you had to wait? Just...wow. Go ahead and leave, we really don't want whatever it is you have to spread to the rest of us. The Mordesh have suffered enough.
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"Let´s turn the game into a F2P model to bring in more gamers."
 
"Let them have the first impression of the game to be
a huge lag fest,where half of them cant even create a character" (It´s kinda hard to try a game when you cant even create a character)
 
"When they  finally give up,we will see how server handles..."
 
OP you went to business school didnt you?	
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"Let´s turn the game into a F2P model to bring in more gamers."
 
"Let them have the first impression of the game to be
a huge lag fest,where half of them cant even create a character" (It´s kinda hard to try a game when you cant even create a character)
 
"When they  finally give up,we will see how server handles..."
 
OP you went to business school didnt you?
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The majority of you guys are smart little cookies. You know exactly why it's a stupid idea to add another server/upgrade the current ones. So for the...-other- population of people, allow me to inform you of something.
Carbine does not want to waste money on either "solutions" because the amount of people playing the game right now will not last. I could be wrong of course, but until they see that X amount of people are sticking with the game, only then will they consider making the servers better. Why upgrade when most of the greedy F2P kiddies won't stay for more than a week or even less? 
 
"But if they don't fix the servers then that will be what's causing people like me to leave!"
Seriously? You'll leave because you had to wait? If you found this game to be a 9/10 or even a 10/10, and it's the most fun you've ever had, you'll leave because you had to wait? Just...wow. Go ahead and leave, we really don't want whatever it is you have to spread to the rest of us. The Mordesh have suffered enough.
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Exactly it´s better to have a waiting list than it is to have a bad experience.
Actually waiting list is a sign that game is having a popularity boost and that it might be worth the wait.
 
As it is, just shows how they cant handle huge player bases properly.
 
I can only say to new players that the game is worth the wait,hope you are patent enough to stick around.	
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They should add more server capacity as its only wednesday and the big influx of people trying this game will definitely will come friday.
 
and don't wanna see this game fail 2x	
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"But if they don't fix the servers then that will be what's causing people like me to leave!"
Seriously? You'll leave because you had to wait? If you found this game to be a 9/10 or even a 10/10, and it's the most fun you've ever had, you'll leave because you had to wait? Just...wow. Go ahead and leave, we really don't want whatever it is you have to spread to the rest of us. The Mordesh have suffered enough.
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As i said:
 
"they WILL add new servers or increase capacity of existing ones.
It's common sense and it's just matter of time when it's gonna happen."
 
Now OP... pls can I get a CUPCAKE?
			
				
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I can program a game in Unity called "Queue Simulator 2015" if the OP would like me to.  I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard. 
 
In the meantime, I'm going to see how well these new servers worked out for us :)	
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			This whole thread looks extremely silly now.  :lol:Always funny when people think they're so right and turn out to be so wrong in less than a day.
			
				
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			I guess Carbine decided we did need more servers.	
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Carbine does not want to waste money on either "solutions" because the amount of people playing the game right now will not last.
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Again, people like you don't think properly. You'll lose players that won't be giving you any money in the first place because they expect a game that took years to make upon millions of dollars to develop and get everything for free, so from a business view point you aren't losing anything besides giving the more dedicated players a smaller queue time. Want a smaller queue? Pay for signature. Want the lag gone? Stop being a child and wait a week like you do with every other MMO on release or transition.
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This thread is the perfect representation of software related forums:
 
Users: WE NEED X
Company: Okay, we got X
Users: NO, WE DON'T NEED X	
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			 Well if their going to add more servers their going to have to reactivate the transfer feature .. and their gonna have to make the names of guilds and characters regional.. because if they have to merge again it will be bullshit if players and guilds have to change their names again.. especially if those players have been here since start..	
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LoL @ OP labeling people dumb and then being completely wrong with his concept. Allow me to inform u of something.
 
If a game continue to frustrate its player base then ur damn right this new population will not last. 	
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From what I understand of the article, the servers they are adding are made to merge into the existing servers in the near future.  Why's that a bad thing?
 
Oh, and they addressed the name issue.  So if you want to get on a PvE server for example, if a name(char, guild, circle) is taken on one PvE server for that region, you can't make it on the other PvE server for that region.  
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/135358-feedback-new-wildstar-realms-incoming/?p=1392693
			
				
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I guess Carbine decided we did need more servers.
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From what I understand of the article, the servers they are adding are made to merge into the existing servers in the near future.  Why's that a bad thing?
 
Oh, and they addressed the name issue.  So if you want to get on a PvE server for example, if a name(char, guild, circle) is taken on one PvE server for that region, you can't make it on the other PvE server for that region.  
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/135358-feedback-new-wildstar-realms-incoming/?p=1392693
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The majority of you guys are smart little cookies. You know exactly why it's a stupid idea to add another server/upgrade the current ones. So for the...-other- population of people, allow me to inform you of something.
Carbine does not want to waste money on either "solutions" because the amount of people playing the game right now will not last. I could be wrong of course, but until they see that X amount of people are sticking with the game, only then will they consider making the servers better. Why upgrade when most of the greedy F2P kiddies won't stay for more than a week or even less? 
 
"But if they don't fix the servers then that will be what's causing people like me to leave!"
Seriously? You'll leave because you had to wait? If you found this game to be a 9/10 or even a 10/10, and it's the most fun you've ever had, you'll leave because you had to wait? Just...wow. Go ahead and leave, we really don't want whatever it is you have to spread to the rest of us. The Mordesh have suffered enough.
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You know exactly why it's a stupid idea to add another server/upgrade the current ones. 
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The majority of you guys are smart little cookies. You know exactly why it's a stupid idea to add another server/upgrade the current ones. So for the...-other- population of people, allow me to inform you of something.
Carbine does not want to waste money on either "solutions" because the amount of people playing the game right now will not last. I could be wrong of course, but until they see that X amount of people are sticking with the game, only then will they consider making the servers better. Why upgrade when most of the greedy F2P kiddies won't stay for more than a week or even less? 
 
"But if they don't fix the servers then that will be what's causing people like me to leave!"
Seriously? You'll leave because you had to wait? If you found this game to be a 9/10 or even a 10/10, and it's the most fun you've ever had, you'll leave because you had to wait? Just...wow. Go ahead and leave, we really don't want whatever it is you have to spread to the rest of us. The Mordesh have suffered enough.
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The majority of you guys are smart little cookies. You know exactly why it's a stupid idea to add another server/upgrade the current ones. So for the...-other- population of people, allow me to inform you of something.
Carbine does not want to waste money on either "solutions" because the amount of people playing the game right now will not last. I could be wrong of course, but until they see that X amount of people are sticking with the game, only then will they consider making the servers better. Why upgrade when most of the greedy F2P kiddies won't stay for more than a week or even less? 
 
"But if they don't fix the servers then that will be what's causing people like me to leave!"
Seriously? You'll leave because you had to wait? If you found this game to be a 9/10 or even a 10/10, and it's the most fun you've ever had, you'll leave because you had to wait? Just...wow. Go ahead and leave, we really don't want whatever it is you have to spread to the rest of us. The Mordesh have suffered enough.
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Have you even seen any MMO upgrade their current servers or add more servers in the first week of "queue hell?" No. 
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The way their servers are set up basically your character name can be used on every server meaning if they decided to merge in the future, alot of people are going to be forced to rename their characters or it would be prefixed with a "_1" at the end.. this is probably the reason why they added First & Last names
 
Obviously people are hammering the login server.. a proper solution to minimizing the queues would be to
 
1. have everyone login through the game launcher BEFORE the game starts
2. play a wildstar cinematic when the game starts (skippable with ESC button)
3. game starts up and goes directly to the character screen (instead of adding additional servers, they should have put more server capacity on both the login & character servers instead)	
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The majority of you guys are smart little cookies. You know exactly why it's a stupid idea to add another server/upgrade the current ones. So for the...-other- population of people, allow me to inform you of something.
Carbine does not want to waste money on either "solutions" because the amount of people playing the game right now will not last. I could be wrong of course, but until they see that X amount of people are sticking with the game, only then will they consider making the servers better. Why upgrade when most of the greedy F2P kiddies won't stay for more than a week or even less? 
 
"But if they don't fix the servers then that will be what's causing people like me to leave!"
Seriously? You'll leave because you had to wait? If you found this game to be a 9/10 or even a 10/10, and it's the most fun you've ever had, you'll leave because you had to wait? Just...wow. Go ahead and leave, we really don't want whatever it is you have to spread to the rest of us. The Mordesh have suffered enough.
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Hey all,
 
If you have questions or feedback about the newly added servers, please use this thread - https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/135358-feedback-new-wildstar-realms-incoming/	
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