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I've only see a decline in players while the game does get better and better, so... would i want to spend more money into this game if it might not be playable any more the end of this year, regardless how good it is?
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I admire you guys white knighting the game. all the 10 of you that are on the forums.
But to me that all sound as disillusioned as when TESO players thought the LFG tool was "broken" and thats why there was no queues poping.
btw, since they went B2P people are like "oohhh ahh they patched the LFG tool, its working now!"
oh my f-in god....
we are almost talking that level of irrationality here...
ok, i understand TESO probably have 10 times the number of dungeons that wildstar have... so i can understand queues were rough for them... but wildstar ? 4 dungeons ?
 
do the calculation guys...
 
anyway, peace out fellas. i'll be back another day to tell you the future as it will happen.
until then, keep dreaming that this AAA mmo can go on with its current revenues.	
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I admire you guys white knighting the game. all the 10 of you that are on the forums.
But to me that all sound as disillusioned as when TESO players thought the LFG tool was "broken" and thats why there was no queues poping.
btw, since they went B2P people are like "oohhh agh they patched the LFG tool, its working now!"
oh my f-in god....
we are almost talking that level of irrationality here...
anyway, peace out fellas. i'll be back another day to tell you the future as it will happen.
until then, keep dreaming that this AAA mmo can go on with its current revenues.
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I've only see a decline in players while the game does get better and better, so... would i want to spend more money into this game if it might not be playable any more the end of this year, regardless how good it is?
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No payment model change, and the LFG tool is popping pretty dang quickly now.  What say you?
 
How is it white knighting to ask for the sources of your information in every thread you state your "facts" in?  I have yet to see where you list any real figures.  If questioning your motives after asking for sources time and time again is "white knighting", I will just have to chalk it up to a very dedicated trolling effort.
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I'm not sure how you saw fewer people playing this game
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Maybe it's different for the US, but even there you went from 2 servers to 1 now.
Don't forget you got a decent boost of population from the people that transfer from PvP to PvE before drop 4
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How is it white knighting to ask for the sources of your information in every thread you state your "facts" in?  I have yet to see where you list any real figures.  If questioning your motives after asking for sources time and time again is "white knighting", I will just have to chalk it up to a very dedicated trolling effort.
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I don't understand your confusion. Can I ask what your /played is? I guess I just assumed anyone who plays the game a decent amount has a good understanding of the actual player base and why it's not sustainable. So I can only figure you are a raid logger or do your dailies a day a week or something. That avatar guy is completely right. I mean don't you even see it in these GD threads? It's the same 10-20 people saying the same things over and over again. 
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I wasn't even counting them, I was counting the wave we got post Drop-4.  Anyway, reports that come to me from Jabbit lately sound even brighter than ours.  I don't know that they have a higher population now, but they certainly seem to have more people that queue.
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I don't understand your confusion. Can I ask what your /played is? I guess I just assumed anyone who plays the game a decent amount has a good understanding of the actual player base and why it's not sustainable. So I can only figure you are a raid logger or do your dailies a day a week or something. That avatar guy is completely right. I mean don't you even see it in these GD threads? It's the same 10-20 people saying the same things over and over again. 
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I don't understand your confusion. Can I ask what your /played is? I guess I just assumed anyone who plays the game a decent amount has a good understanding of the actual player base and why it's not sustainable. So I can only figure you are a raid logger or do your dailies a day a week or something. That avatar guy is completely right. I mean don't you even see it in these GD threads? It's the same 10-20 people saying the same things over and over again. 
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You aren't even in the top 20 posters today, Leylin... you managed that with only 20 of us?
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not relevant Vic...
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You aren't even in the top 20 posters today, Leylin... you managed that with only 20 of us?
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Not sure which reports you mean, so far i've only peak after a big update for a week or 2 and then see a decline
It helped that WS had 2 good upgrades in a row but now it's back to what it was before the drop i think, at least it feels like that.
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lol cause I don't spam post in silly threads like this where there's just a lot of huff and puff that never solves or fixes anything. Just serves to justify some people's delusions cause the 10 ppl who spam GD more than playing the game seem to share the same opinion or something. 
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No, you don't understand.  Obviously, you are resorting to hyperbole and can't really be trusted because I can actually check to see that there are indeed more than your absolute ceiling for participation here.  And if you're undeniably miscounting the population here, why should we trust your view of the broader in-game population?
 
 
 
Somehow, I don't think "milk Wildstar ASAP" is the game we want to be around for.  I'd rather do that slow rise to success thing you mentioned.  I'm not really interested in being "milked".
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slow rise to success won't happen because of what i mentioned; themepark, lighter game, shallower.
might work for Eve (deep, probably too deep..., sandbox) or for Wow (because it was the first themepark as we know them), but Wildstar isn't different enough for that to happen.
 
so, get ready for the milking :)
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slow rise to success won't happen because of what i mentioned; themepark, lighter game, shallower.
might work for Eve (deep, probably too deep..., sandbox) or for Wow (because it was the first themepark as we know them), but Wildstar isn't different enough for that to happen.
 
so, get ready for the milking :)
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Academy Corner dipstick checks have raised the general population by a good bit on Entity Exiles (where I can reliably check).  By around Drop 4 (when I started checking the tool), we were creeping up towards 100 people on a weekend night.  We were at over 130 last night at 9pm.  So not only is the population rising, but that's just the people who came to down to craft/shop.  Those aren't usually the starter people limited to tier 1 professions and who aren't going to stick around.
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You REALLY don't like Wildstar do you.
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  I'm not really interested in being "milked".
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i love wildstar. don't get me wrong. but i have my opinion of what is best for it.
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the only way for wildstar to be successful is to go F2P or Hybrid.
 
unless they want to pull of an EvE style slow rise to success but i think that given the lighter and shallower (compared to EvE) style of game and also by being a themepark there is no way that patience and slow rise can be sustainable in a sub fee environment.
they need to milk wildstar ASAP.
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Academy Corner dipstick checks have raised the general population by a good bit on Entity Exiles (where I can reliably check).  By around Drop 4 (when I started checking the tool), we were creeping up towards 100 people on a weekend night.  We were at over 130 last night at 9pm.  So not only is the population rising, but that's just the people who came to down to craft/shop.  Those aren't usually the starter people limited to tier 1 professions and who aren't going to stick around.
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Having NCSoft milk the game while they can is "what's best" for a game you love?
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Because it might mean the game survive for longer then a year.
 
If we look at the quarter figures I believe they calculated wildstar had 40,000 subscription around the end of last year.
Do you think that number went up or down world wide?
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			After the 2014 Q4 report, NCSoft had Carbine's back when even Donatelli thought their meeting would be rough.  This was stated in an interview with Donatelli by mmorpg.com.  NCSoft saw their future plans, and assured Carbine that they would support them with their plans to fix the game, release new content, and make a PR push when they feel the product is more polished.  The fact that they have delivered so far on those items since 2014 Q4 is the biggest reason for my optimism about Wildstar.	
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Had to actually scroll up and remind myself what the topic of this thread was before posting, to make sure the convo wasn't derailed. How hilarious is that?
 
100k players delivering app. $15 monthly through sub or CREDD would be generating 18 million a year. We're not even talking whales who spend extra. I don't know what Wildstar's expenses are but it seems reasonable to me that they can meet them, and more, because the 100K mark is not a hard one to sustain. The market is huge.
 
It's not like this is a situation where we're selling chocolate bars and no one is interested in chocolate bars so we have no profit or future. This is a situation where there are actually millions and millions of chocolate bar buyers out there, and Carbine just needs to tweak their formula until Oh Henry is no longer interesting but Coffee Crisp is trending hard. When people ask for F2P they're effectively asking for a rebranding and a revision to the formula and a change to how they pay for it. Can you see what a leap that is?
 
NCSoft waited ten years to see this thing surface, I'm sure the suits there are patient enough.
 
And now I want chocolate.	
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100k players delivering app. $15 monthly through sub or CREDD would be generating 18 million a year. We're not even talking whales who spend extra. I don't know what Wildstar's expenses are but it seems reasonable to me that they can meet them, and more, because the 100K mark is not a hard one to sustain. The market is huge.
 
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It's not like this is a situation where we're selling chocolate bars and no one is interested in chocolate bars so we have no profit or future. This is a situation where there are actually millions and millions of chocolate bar buyers out there, and Carbine just needs to tweak their formula until Oh Henry is no longer interesting but Coffee Crisp is trending hard. When people ask for F2P they're effectively asking for a rebranding and a revision to the formula and a change to how they pay for it. Can you see what a leap that is?
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slow rise to success won't happen because of what i mentioned; themepark, lighter game, shallower.
might work for Eve (deep, probably too deep..., sandbox) or for Wow (because it was the first themepark as we know them), but Wildstar isn't different enough for that to happen.
 
so, get ready for the milking :)
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Eve is 12 years old, and has had more than 20 major content patches added. Of COURSE it's deeper than WS, it's had a whole lifetime to develop it.
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Because it might mean the game survive for longer then a year.
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They have 55 pets in PTR, it wouldn't be too hard to throw some of them in a shop right, and then all the costume and xp pots they could be able to sell, throw in some special mounts and maybe in the future a special house.
There is so much cosmetic content they can make.
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so, get ready for the milking :)
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Eve is a completely different type of mmo aimed at a different demographic so they can pretty much do with they like with it and people will stick with it. WildStar on the other hand is another theme-park mmo aimed at the WoW demographic but with less content & systems, but better combat and housing. They can't just expect people to stick around and stay subbed as they build up the game while other theme-park mmos are releasing massive content patches/expansions and whatnot. Especially not when they're asking players for the same price each month as the other big mmo but only giving them a third of the game. Square Enix are smart though, they know that their game isn't as big as WoW so they don't charge players as much to play, additionally the amount of content they release every three months is staggering so the sub is truly worth the money.
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You know, I play this game most evenings and there are still areas in this game I've hardly touched. My raid group is 2/6 in GA, so we have a TON to look forward to in our future. I've actually been happy with it the whole time, but it keeps getting better and better, and they keep adding stuff for me to do.
 
Maybe the issue is that I haven't played WoW since WotLK, but the content available to me now in this game feels like what was available to me then, and really I just don't have time for more. I barely even touched the Defile zone and haven't done squat with housing.
 
And I don't think I'm alone in feeling satisfied by this game. I've been watching my wife level and alt, and she met some folks while questing who invited her to their guild. Appears to be a bunch of levelers playing the game casually, and they are running a bunch of shiphands and stuff together. They are playing a totally different segment of the game than where I focus, and they seem to be having a blast. So there isn't just a lot of content for what *I* like to do, but for many others as well.
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I would like the ability to queue for multiple things very much. However, since the last MMO I played before this was SWTOR at launch, I'm just happy to have a group finder at all :)
 
I'd have never guess that that feature would be so important it would drive people away or be the difference between a meager or booming population.	
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			how is every 3 months slow? its pretty standard, or even fast pace if you ask me.	
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			and yes they are 3 months patchs, we got the first one of this new  dinasty of patchs in april, so we expect the new drop 5 will be on May, and thats very realistic now that we have the new drop on the ptr and already making the feedback	
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how is every 3 months slow? its pretty standard, or even fast pace if you ask me.
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According to Gaffney, Donatelli and Frost, new content every month is how Carbine justified charging a monthly fee. That's really more of the issue people have with the game than whether new content every 3 months is standard or not. Granted, things developers say pre-launch should be taken with a grain of salt, but when they say things like "the era of waiting 3-6 months and then doing a big update is kind of over" and “If you are going to sell an MMO for the box price with a $15 subscription you’ve got to give them the value. Month after month we will release more content for every play style,” and then slow down the new content to every 3 months, while keeping the business model the same, people are going to have something to say about it.
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			Well, I would be rooting for them to keep subs, but they also have to bear on mind people possibly resenting performance issues after paying a sub. Bugs seem more tolerable to the community, but game performance is key. I think the CREDD system is absolutely brilliant. Let's just hope they can somehow optimize the game so as to run decently on cheaper rigs. We need the whole mmo crowd, now that devs have conceded that a niche crowd or painting yourself into a corner is not a profitable business model. I however will absolutely be willing to continue paying. I think the game is worth it, when it's playable, which it is right now (i5@4.2Ghz, gtx 970, 16GB RAM, 250GB SSD).	
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dont worry, it fell flat. it will go f2p.
that aside, why not milk the real fan for 1 year of sub money in the process of "tweaking" your game ? eso and swtor did the same.
its all part of the master plan.
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How does WildStar win the War For Interest? They are doing Trials and I'm still seeing Population posts. My reccomendation around Drop to or 2 was to just go Free To Play(For Drop 3 because it was what it was. 1st impression was shot, WOD was looking strong, 1+ 1 = 2 ect...). I believe WoW and Rift both had Expacs coming. I would love to hear from the Anti-F2P crowd how WildStar wins that War for interest. People simply aren't that interested.
 
Do you know what game people threaten Blizzard with on the WoW forums? Rift!(lol and Vice Versa) On the Tera and Gw2 forums they threaten to swap one for the other. No one mentions WildStar. Back when I was a heavy fequenter of these Forums Others said: "Drops wouldf fix it".  "Patches would fix it".  "Loot changes would fix it". Yet the game keeps getting smaller and it's presence is fading. It's time to unleash the Ultimate Attack. Drop the Free To Play bomb. Because right now it's losing the War and more and more MMORPGs keep popping up.
 
Just my opinion.
 
 
 
 
 
-Balf
 
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And then this stuff is inaccessible to me unless I want to fork out cash?
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